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We are open to the public. Thank you. Let's ensure that Micah's gone lives, standby.

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Thank you.

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A couple of order, the city council meeting of August 5th, 2026, as you can see tonight's council meeting is being held virtually.

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Due to critical maintenance and upgrades underway in council chambers. During the meeting, we may take brief breaks as needed to address any technical issues

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and help ensure the meeting proceeds as smoothly as possible.

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And Council, thank you so much.

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Please give me a little grace as we start out.

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As I get the lay of the landscape here,

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I'm very appreciative to former Mayor Sweet

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having done this for quite a long time,

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but we'll get through it.

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So, City Clerk, will you please call the roll?

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Council member Tim Chison.

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Council member Arnold.

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Council member Prim.

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Councilmember Felcon here. Councilmember Paskell.

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Yeah. Deputy Mayor Black.

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Here. Mayor Curtis. Here.

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All right. Our study session tonight is on two items. First, we'll have an update on the

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We expect to reconvene our regular meeting at 730 City Manager.

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Okay, thank you, Madam Mayor.

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So we have the whole 90 minutes of the study session set out for these two topics.

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It's related topics.

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I've asked everyone to keep their cameras off and us they're speaking.

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I want to give a huge thanks to folks of top of work.

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And finance to put together a lot of really complicated information. And also our consultant team, we're going to hear from who that's on a fabulous job.

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But it's all going to be led by Jenna Gowlster, a surface painter strategic advisor. And she has lots of help, who people will check in when needed and Tracy don't laugh.

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It's also here in deputy city manager to chime in as needed, where she is in the tricities. So with that help, we're over to Jenny.

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Thank you very much.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor and members of the council.

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Again, I'm Jenny Gals, surface water strategic advisor.

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And I'm managing the utility rate process for 2027, 2028.

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And Brooke is kindly running the slides for me right now.

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Next slide.

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We have a very knowledgeable group of people.

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All of whom have helped to develop the budget assumptions and the models that are going to

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to update curriculums utility rates. The FCS team and myself will be the main presenters, but we

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do have many other folks standing by as questions arise. Next slide. And before we launch into sort

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of the mute of the presentation, wanted to just highlight some of the process improvements that have

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happened since the last great sitting process. We're doing more forecasting of revenues, staff

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is reviewing and reporting on revenue trends each month so that we have the most up-to-date information.

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Water and sewer utilities have been split apart so that we could better see how each is

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fairing financially. The utility policy supervisor is now allocated to water sewer and solid waste.

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And then we are really working on prioritizing water and sewer engineering and planning. And so

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those things are really going to help with the transparency and accountability in the process.

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Next slide. And so tonight is the first three meetings where we're going to discuss utility rates

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updates. We'll be returning on September 15th with our proposed rates and again on October 20th

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with our final rates. Tonight we have our consultant team here to provide background on the rate models

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And to present the preliminary rates, these are rates that we are current fiscal policies.

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We're also going to be discussing potential ways to moderate these rate increases.

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And we'll see council guidance on the preferred rates scenario.

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Note that I have some slides available.

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After books presentation, if there are questions, I have a set of slides that is available for us to use.

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Now, I'll introduce FCS's team.

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Burtisha is a project manager with SES, a Bowman Company.

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She's been with FCS for over 10 years, and has performed similar rates studies for many

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cities in the Pacific Northwest, and we're very pleased to have her managing the rate modeling

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efforts for Kirkland.

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With her tonight is Amanda Levine, who's managing the solid waste elements of the process.

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And likewise, it has performed many utility rates studies and engagements over her eight years with FCS, together that walk us through the preliminary rate study results.

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So, take it away, Brooke.

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Perfect. All right.

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So, thank you, Jenny.

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As mentioned, I'm Brooke Tisha with FCS and I do have Amanda Levine with me as well as John Gillarducci.

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And we're ready to just walk through those preliminary rates for the city's forecast as well as revenue requirements as well.

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refer to those as through the bulk of this presentation.

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So a quick agenda here to start, we're going to review a brief background.

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We're going to talk more about what a revenue requirement is.

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We'll review the city's fiscal policies and then we'll talk

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through the revenue requirement results for each utility before

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wrapping it up with next steps and questions or discussion.

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So here, again, just a brief background for each of the utilities

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that we're going to discuss this evening.

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First, the water utility, the infrastructure associated with the water utility is operated and maintained by the city,

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the city purchases their water supply through cascade water lines.

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Similarly, for the wastewater utility, the city operates and maintains the collection system,

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and uses that system to send wastewater to King County's treatment plants, who they pay for treatment services.

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On the surface water side, the city operates and maintains the surface water system,

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working to reduce street flooding and address the health of local water bodies.

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A surface water is unique and that it gets built through the county's property taxes,

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as to most customers don't see the bill as directly.

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And then finally, the city also provides garbage, recycling, and compost curbside collection services

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through waste management, which is also a contractor, and they pay disposal costs to King County for disposal services as well.

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So, for tonight's review, we're going to be concentrating on the revenue requirement for each utility.

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When we talk about a revenue requirement, our goal was to determine the overall amount of revenue needed to satisfy all of the fiscal obligations of each utility on a standalone basis.

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Our fiscal obligations include our direct expenses, so those are things like our operating at maintenance costs, any existing debt service payments,

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and any new debt service payments or rate-funded capital that's needed to fund the capital program.

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Those financial obligations also include indirect expenses, so those are things like maintaining our reserve balances,

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as well as debt service coverage ratios if we're a utility that has a large amount of debt.

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The city of Kirkland is not within their utilities currently.

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For this exercise, we compare a forecast of those obligations to our revenues at their existing levels first to determine whether those revenues are sufficient over the forecast period.

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And if we see a forecasted deficiency throughout that study period, we can develop a rate plan to help satisfy that deficiency.

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Well, ideally trying to minimize impacts to customers to the extent possible.

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And that's going to be our main concentration tonight, revenue requirements for each utility

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over a multi-year period, or in other words, how much do we need to potentially raise

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our rates over that timeframe.

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So before we dive into the results, we want to set the stage first with a review of the city's

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financial policies.

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These policies provide some guardrails for the study to help encourage consistent decision-making

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over time, especially when we have documented fiscal policies like the city does, those

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It was allowed for consistency even a staff and leadership changes.

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So first here we have our working capital contingency, which is in place to allow the utility

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to weather those day to day cash flow fluctuations, the target is 45 days of O&M for water

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and sewer.

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It's 100 days of O&M for storm water and 30 days for solid waste.

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We do see a higher target for storm water here because it's built through those property

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taxes again and has two larger influx of revenues rather than more of a steady monthly stream.

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A water and sewer utilities also have another operating contingency layer. It's for a similar

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purpose to help weather those cash flow fluctuations. This resulted in an additional 12% of ONM

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held as a reserve target. Together that's just about 90 days. The water sewer and surface water

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utilities also have capital contingency targets to provide a source of funding for emergency repairs

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or capital cost overruns. In each case, that target is about 10% of the six year CIP program.

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And then finally, the water sewer and surface water utilities also aim to fund a dedicated amount

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of capital investment directly from rates to treat that infrastructure investment like a true cost

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operating those utilities. Water will seek to fund 125% of annual depreciation costs through rates,

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sewer will aim to fund 165% of depreciation costs and surface water will seek to fund a

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100% of depreciation. This invests the system investment policy really helps ensure that we're

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replacing system infrastructure as we're using it. A solid waste doesn't have those added capital

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contingency or a system investment component since the utilities largely contractual costs

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rather than that direct infrastructure investment.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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I see a question or a hand raised.

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I can raise just one of them.

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I can comment to the council that there's a lot of information.

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Could be presented by please.

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If you have a question during the presentation.

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Please feel free to raise your hand.

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I'm going to ask it as we're going.

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I see another one.

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Jay.

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Thank you, Curtin.

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Thank you, Brooke.

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I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about why sewer and water have different depreciation

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numbers because it seems like that infrastructure would be similar to me.

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And if we don't have that information, it would be something that I would like some follow

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up off on.

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Thank you.

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It's like Tracy will weigh on we and on that first perhaps.

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You're on, yeah.

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Thank you. Sorry, but my connection is okay.

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A really quick answer is that the sewer utility assets were put in place over a much longer period of time.

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The water utility assets were put in place over a much longer period of time.

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sewer only became a required service really in sort of the city.

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60, the 50s and 60s, where the water utility was built all the way back, you know, starting at the turn of the century.

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And so, so the sewer assets are actually more concentrated in terms of when they reach their age.

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And the other thing I just wanted to say quickly about this minimum amount of investment is this is just trying to recognize that the replacements are going to end and flow over time.

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there'll be bigger and some years smaller in others, but this is a minimum amount to at least recognize

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an expected failure rate with the actual projects prioritized as part of the system plan,

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the actual replacements, but it really has to do with the fact that the sewer assets were added

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in a much more concentrated time period before that at best it was going into septic systems before

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For that, it was just going where it went, naturally.

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Thank you, Tracy.

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I'll head back.

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Thank you.

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So we're going to move on now to our first set of revenue requirement results and concentrating

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here on the water utility.

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In order to build the financial forecast, we have to include a few assumptions.

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First, we'll concentrate on the 2026-2032 timeframe as that results study period.

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with 2027 to 2028 as the identified rate setting timeframe.

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For the water utility, the combined reserve target is $7.2 million in 2027,

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and that includes both the operating and working capital reserves as well as the capital contingency.

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For rate revenue projections, we did work with the city to look historical,

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look back historically at revenue performance, and the associated heat and precipitation data

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to try to ensure that we're forecasting revenues on a normalized usage year.

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2025 was a more normalized usage year and our 26th

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budgeted revenue is in alignment with growth assumptions plus actual performance.

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I'm forecasting future revenues assumes a 0.9% growth rate on average and it also assumes that the

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Kirkland Care's program participation increases by 10% per year as more customers join that program.

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On the expense side of things, the city's 2026 to 2028 budgets provide the baseline for expense forecasting,

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increasing into the future with inflationary assumptions.

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Costs inflation varies by expense type between 2.5 to 5.5% for many of the internal expenses,

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total cost increase by about 5.7 on average, which is really driven largely by those cascade water alliance increases,

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that range from 4.9 to 12.8% depending on the year.

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Cascade water alliance makes up about 38% of overall water utility costs in 2026.

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That shares projected to increase to 43% by 2032 as their increased outpace those internal city costs.

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And then finally here we are anticipating that the water utility will need a new bond to help fund the capital program

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and are forecasting that debt to be a revenue bond with the 20-year term,

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a 5% interest rate and a 1% issuance cost.

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The total capital plan for the water utility is $42 million

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over the next six years.

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So here's just taking a closer look at the, yep.

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Sorry, before you go on question on the previous slide.

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So when you talk about customer growth and this is my question is on all utilities,

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is the 0.9% per year, is that an industry standard and my question really is is that

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anticipating growth based on our comprehensive plan and our CPPs or is that just a

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general growth number? So it's not necessarily industry standard and it's much

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more tailored to the city of Kirkland and staff did take a look recently on

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number of new connections, as well as some near-term history on that.

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Typically, we don't always align from a rate setting perspective with comprehensive plans

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because those can typically be a little bit more robust in their growth assumptions because

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engineers have a different reason for looking at growth.

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They want to be a little bit more robust.

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They don't want to dig up the street more than wants to give an example there.

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So when we're working through growth on the rate setting side of things, we like to look

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some near-term actuals. Sometimes we'll look at some connection charge revenues to give us a good idea

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of the number of connections we've been seeing over the last year or two and try to basically

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run that. That's helpful that just it's based on Kirkland, not

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absolutely. Yeah, thank you.

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So here just taking a closer look at the water utility component.

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We have $17.2 million in rate revenue growing to about $18 million with that customer growth element by 2032.

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Those revenues are in support of O&M expenses that range from $15.2 million to $20.8 million with inflation.

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Annual system reimbursement targets increasing from $2.3 million to $3.1 million.

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Excessing debt service is just over 100,000 annually for the utility and I believe that will be fully repaid by 2033.

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And then we are assuming some future debt service to a link about 1.1 million.

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Once the $12.5 million revenue bond is issued to help fund the city's south for a replacement project in

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2026 and 27.

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The total 42 million in capital costs is funded by a mix of direct rate funding at 51%

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30% from the $12.5 million revenue bond

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CFC revenues make up about 19% and then we just have a small amount of developer contributions

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about 200,000 to round out that capital funding pie there.

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So in this graph here, we're going to pull together all of the direct obligations of

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the water utility and the bars.

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The dark blue or the internal, ohanem expenses, the light blue bar represents our cascade water

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see the green bars are direct rates under capital, with the yellow bar first appearing

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in 2027 as the additional debt service.

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If we compare those four casted costs to our revenues at existing rates, we see that we're

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just meeting obligations in 2026, maybe a slight efficiency there.

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However, as removing into 27 and beyond, we would become deficient to fund our rate-funded capital in 2027

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and we would not be sufficient to cover our new debt service by 2029.

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And eventually, our water purchase costs as we continue through the study period.

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So in order to satisfy that deficiency, we're looking at an 8.5% rating increase in 2027,

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followed by 6.5% from 2028 to 2030 dropping to about 5.15% through 2032.

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This rate strategy results in a single-family bill impact of approximately $4.81 in 2027 and

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just under $4.28.

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The somewhat front-loaded rate strategy would allow the water utility to satisfy the operating

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and capital contingency targets in all years of this study period,

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which is shown in this

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graph here. So with the proposed strategy in place, we would meet our target beginning in

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2027 on the operating side and stay at that target through 232. On the capital reserve side,

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our use of debt and the continued commitment to fund our system reinvestment target allows the

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reserves to build in preparation for some of those unknown capital infrastructure needs that are

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going to be coming from the soon to be completed water system plan.

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The orange line on these graphs has shown to illustrate the effects of the fund balance

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if we were to hold our rates at the existing levels.

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So as we saw on the revenue requirement graph, that would result in forecast to deficiencies

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that would ultimately deplete reserves on both the operating and eventually the capital

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site.

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That's pause for a second, I'll see if maybe I have any questions, so literally it's

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not a quick water drink.

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Okay, there we go.

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How can I count the mirror print?

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Yeah, I wanted to actually, the quality that I should have asked this question earlier,

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but I think it was two slides ago where you talk about the maintenance,

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and yeah, this one here at the O&M is, can you just maybe,

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Because it looks like that's one of the, you know,

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it is the largest expense that we have.

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So, can you just walk us through very briefly?

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Like, what is, like, is that an increase in these types

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of expenses as compared to prior years?

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And kind of, what is the primary driver?

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So, yeah, when we look at this particular

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on an expense line going from 15.2 to 20.8 million,

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this is both a combination of the city's internal budget.

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So that's their, you know, personnel, their benefits,

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their all of the services that they provide internally.

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It also includes the cascade water alliance components.

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So on the internal side, I'm going to flip back here for just a second.

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So we can talk about the expense inflation.

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Internally, salaries, benefits, all of those expenses that the city is.

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Parts of or can control are increasing by between the 2.5 to 5.5%. And we'll typically see the higher increases related to things like benefit costs, because that's what we've seen in the industry, just in real terms, really increases there.

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What we see as a bigger driver, though, really is the cascade water alliance increases, and they become a larger, proportional share over this timeframe and are driving up those own end costs closer to that 6% over time.

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So it is a combination of internal and external.

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Anyone else?

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Okay.

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Go ahead.

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All right.

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So, as we move into our discussion here for the sewer utility, we're going to see a similar layout to these slides and materials with similar topics that we'll talk about for each.

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So, similar time frame for each utility, we're going to concentrate on 2026 to 2032 study period with the 27 to 28 concentration for rate setting.

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For the sewer utility that combined operating capital reserve targets total, just under $8 million in 2027,

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and similarly for revenue forecasting purposes, oh, do we have a hand or was that in?

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I think that was the original hand.

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That was very good.

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Perfect.

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Thank you.

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For revenue forecasting purposes, again, here we did base the 2026 forecast off of 25 actuals plus growth,

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in the end 25 being a more normalized historical year there, and here we're assuming average

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system growth of about 0.7% annually. Just like water, we assumed that the Kirkland

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Care's participation would also increase by 10% per year as more customers took advantage of

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that program. On the expense side of things, again, we're utilizing the city's 2026-2028

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budget as the baseline and adding inflation to those future years, those internal costs will inflate

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between two and a half to five and a half percent really depending on again that expense type.

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Overall, O&M is increasing by 10.7% annually. And again, this is really driven by external factors

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related to King County treatment rate increases that range from 11.25 to 12.75% annually.

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Like we saw on water, King County is becoming a larger share of utility expenses over time,

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Starting at 44% of total costs in 2026, projected to increase to 56% of total

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super utility costs by 2032.

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No new debt is forecast to fund the total capital program of about 31.1 million dollars in

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escalated project costs on the sewer utility side.

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So again here we're going to take a closer

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look at the key components. For sewer we show existing revenue of 20.9 million growing to 30.8 million

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by 2032. Again, just with that growth assumption, those revenues are in support of

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O&M expenses of 18.1 million and 26, increasing to 33.3 million. And again, this

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is one of those areas that's largely driven by those external King County treatment expenses.

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I'm systemry investment for sewer starts at 3.9 million and 2026 increasing to 4.8 by

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2032 and pretty similar with water existing debt services just over a hundred thousand dollars

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annually. For the sewer utility, we don't have any new future debt service to fund the capital plan,

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and that total of about 31.1 million in capital projects is planned to be funded through direct

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rate-funded capital of about 82% and about 18% from CFCs. We have just about 100,000 dollars

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planned from developer contributions there, so the bulk is really great and CFC funded.

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Okay, so bringing together the direct obligations for the sewer utility here,

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the bars are representing those obligations with the dark blue bar being our internal city

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onem expenses. The light blue or teen county wastewater treatment charges followed by

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rate-funded capital in the green bar. So what we see here when we compare our forecasted

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obligations to our revenues that existing rates is that we're forecasting a deficiency in

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2026. In order to fund our full rate-funded system investment target of 165% of depreciation,

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we will need to utilize operating reserves. Moving forward without any rate action,

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which is noted by that solid black bar in the graph, we'd be deficient to fund our rate

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funded system investment fully by 2028 and we wouldn't be able to fund our King County treatment

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charges by the 2029 or 2030 timeframe, at least in full. So in order to correct the

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Fishing C in 2027. While maintaining our rate funded system reinvestment at 165% of depreciation, as well as maintaining the operating reserve at a minimum of 2 million. The sewer utility is looking at a 19.5% increase in 2027 followed by about 8.95% annually thereafter. The typical single family customer would see an increase at $16.25 a month from this change in 2027.

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followed by monthly increase of about $13.37 in 2020-28.

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It should be noted here that a single family

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sur-customer will see the King County portion

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of their bill directly passed through,

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which is a large rate driver, especially a 20-28 and beyond.

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The thing on, oh, wait, yeah, I was gonna wrap it up real quick

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and then I'll pause.

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But here, just taking a look at the operating

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and the capital reserves for the sewer utility,

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we are starting 2026 below target on the operating fund. The rate strategy that we're proposing

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does not immediately correct the fund balance deficiency, and instead slowly grows the reserve

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back to target through 2032. The upfront rate increase proposed would keep the reserve above

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$2 million in 2027 and correct the initial cash flow deficiency while still funding rate

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it's just to reinvestment out those target levels. On the capital side, we see balances ending

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2026 at just above $10 million, that reserve would grow with continued rate funding in

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2032 about 1525 million. A similar to water, again, with upcoming system plan needs, it can be

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prudent to maintain those reserve balances and preparation for some of those unknown costs.

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Happy to pause. Thank you, bro.

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Council any questions?

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Okay, we'll go ahead.

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All right.

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All right.

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So next, we're going to review preliminary surface water outcomes.

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And again, there's similar layout.

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We're going to show you results through 2032,

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with the rate sitting period concentrating on 2027 and 2028.

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The 100 day O&M target,

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plus the 10% of the CIP results in a six million dollar

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combined reserve target in 2027 for surface water.

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And here we typically, again, see more steady revenues, but we reviewed the forecast with

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that same thought process for forecasting our revenues.

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So determining whether our 2020 sixth budget was an alignment with a forecast of 25

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actual plus growth and any associated rating increase.

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Stormwater utility grows, averages about a half a percent annually, and it also represents

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a senior discount participation rate growing at about 10 percent annually, which has

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administered by the county. For expense forecasting, we'll rely again on the cities 2026 to 2028 budgets,

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plus inflation. Inflation varies here for for surface water between the 2.5 to 5.5% depending on

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the type of expense. And then overall operating expenses are increasing just under 3% in the forecast

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because there really are no external cost drivers for the surface water utility to be perhaps

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pushing that up. We are also not forecasting any new debt for the surface water utility at this

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point to help fund that $31.7 million capital plan through $232.

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So looking at the key components here for surface water, we have about $14 million in existing

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rate revenues, growing to $14.2 million with customer growth. That is in support of

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that range from 12.8 million to 15.2 million,

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system reinvestment funding of 3.1 million,

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increasing to 3.6 million,

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and then the stormwater utility currently has no existing debt

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and no future forecasted debt to fund the capital program.

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A direct, rate-funded capital is anticipated to fund

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77% of the capital program,

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with 16% coming from external funding.

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That external funding is made up of a Department of Ecology for Givable Loan, as well as some developers, developer contributions.

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And then finally, we've got CFC revenue that's going to make up the remaining 7% of our funding needs for stormwater.

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So here again in our revenue requirement forecast, we see those blue bars representing our own MX fences, and then the green bar here is showing direct, great funded capital,

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Comparing those obligations to existing revenues in 2026, we see the surface water utility is also forecast to be deficient to fully cover the 100% depreciation target for rate-funded capital in order to

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Fund, the full targeted amount, the utility would need to rely a bit on reserves. Moving forward, if

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though rate action is taken, the utility would fall short to provide any rate-funded capital

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by 2020-9, and would eventually not be able to cover their total ONM expenses in the future.

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So in order to satisfy that deficiency, we're looking at 7.15% increases from 2027-329 before dropping

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to 2.75 percent thereafter. This strategy is set with the intent to resolve the cash flow

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deficiency by 2029 and utilize available fund balance to do so. A 7.15 percent increase

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results in an increase of between $1.65 and $1.77 a month in 2027 and 2028 for a typical

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single family customer and again these rates are on property taxes. So I have a little bit less

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visibility than some of our water sewer or salt waste rates.

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Finally here, looking at fund balances for the storm water utility,

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we do see on the operating side that we have available fund balance in 2026 that allows

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us to phase in the rating phase and whether the cash flow deficiency

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over a three year period. So here fund balance is neat or slightly exceed the operating

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target in all years of the forecast period with this rate strategy in place.

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The capital fund will seek growth in reserves as the city continues to fund the full rate fund

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system reinvestment target growing until 2031 when the city has a large capital expenditure

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and the reserve will fall but will never fall below the target.

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We'll pause here for just a second before I hand it to a man there.

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All right, I see no questions.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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Okay, perfect.

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I will pass it to Amanda to walk through the solid waste discussion and you'll notice a lot of consistency with these slides as well.

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So go ahead Amanda.

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Great. Thank you, Brooke. Can you all hear me? Okay. Okay, perfect.

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And as we went through the slides before just feel free to try men if there are any questions that come up on the solid waste utility.

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So right now we're looking at the similar screen that we saw for the other utilities with our study data assumptions here.

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here. Our period for the study is going to be that 2026 to 2032 timeframe. And we're looking

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at meeting the specific solid waste reserve target of 3 million in 2027. This equates to about

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30 days of operating expenses for the utility. With that customer growth, so we're looking

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at an average of 0.6 in customer growth from that timeframe moving on. That's an average

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looking at different kinds of customer classes, like residential, commercial, multi-family.

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And then we're looking at an annual rate revenue of about 32.3 million in 2026,

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which we will need rate increases to keep pace with the expensive inflation that's happening

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as you can see in the dark green box.

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So as Brooke mentioned earlier we have internal costs that are increasing from about 2.5 to 5.5% each year.

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But there are also contractual costs like the waste management contract and other King County disposal items that are increasing at a higher rate than some of those internal factors.

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And just to touch on the makeup of those O&M expenses, about 75% of the budget for the solid waste utility are those contractual costs, so that becomes a really big portion of the expenses that need to be covered.

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Because of those large contractual costs, there are no city-specific CIP items, and there's

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no new debt for the utility either.

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So on the next slide, we can look at a slightly condensed version of that revenue requirement

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summary.

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There are no capital costs, the system reinvestment and debt aren't a huge portion or a part

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of at all of the solid waste utility.

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So you can see in the first box there in 2026, we have our cash operating expenses in the blue.

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Our waste management charges in that teal blue and then King County charges in the more greenish teal color.

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So really the majority of those costs are based on contract kind of outside sources.

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In 2027, the utility requires a 6.75v increase to be able to meet that specific target outlined in the previous slide.

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So right now, there is a slight deficiency in what is being kept in...

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In the solid waste utilities fund balance, and so that's 6.5% right stop fund balance within the first year.

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Pass 2027, the utility can keep a 3.95% rate increase in order to meet those contractual needs over the forecast period.

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But also anticipating that on a longer scale, we're going to try to meet that 30 day fund balance until 2042.

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I believe, or 2045 actually, so if we go to that next slide, I'm going to ask the question real quick.

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Oh yeah.

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That's a very proud.

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Go ahead.

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Shilta.

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There you go.

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Count's a very proud.

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Go ahead.

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The, the, I'm just looking at the game.

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Can you hear me?

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You're, you're breaking a,

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I think she's frozen.

435
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:15,830
Can you hear me?

436
00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:17,030
Yes, go ahead.

437
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:32,880
So, I was just looking back at the O&M expenses again and I just wanted to understand, like, the King,

438
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:38,330
and

439
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:44,780
that's through 2030,

440
00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:50,080
or, like, I guess that's one question.

441
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,360
Like, how is that broken up?

442
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:59,970
And that, and that, and that's great increases already.

443
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Council for your, you're, you're breaking up and we're having trouble, what you try to turn off your video and see if that helps.

444
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:22,340
Try again.

445
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:29,600
We're, we're having trouble hearing you.

446
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,220
Okay.

447
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:37,690
No, no worries.

448
00:42:38,370 --> 00:42:39,850
I'll ask it later.

449
00:42:40,830 --> 00:42:41,710
Thank you.

450
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:44,170
Anyone else have questions?

451
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:47,990
Okay. Go ahead, Amanda.

452
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:50,150
Okay, thank you.

453
00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:54,370
And I will maybe try to anticipate what

454
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:57,170
that was kind of asking about the King County disposal.

455
00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:00,290
That portion, even though our forecast is going

456
00:43:00,290 --> 00:43:03,590
on until 2032, we are continuing those costs

457
00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:06,090
throughout the full forecast as well.

458
00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:08,590
So those aren't just until 2032.

459
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:11,690
So on this slide below the graph,

460
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We have an example bill for the 35 gallon bin and this is going to change by about three dollars in twenty twenty seven with that six point seven five rate increase and then about an average of of two dollars and 30 cents beyond that looking at twenty twenty nine.

461
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:37,650
So if we go to the next slide and take a look at the fun balance assessment, so right now in

462
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:47,930
2026 we see that blue bar which is below the 30 days of aluminum expenses. In 2027 we see that blue bar

463
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:54,610
actually hit the black dotted line which means that the 6.7% is getting us to meet that target reserve.

464
00:43:54,610 --> 00:44:00,610
We do exceed those 30 days once we get to the mid part of our forecast, but we are also

465
00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:08,790
anticipating a planned contractual re-negotiation in 2032 and want to keep that in mind and keep our right increases.

466
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:14,310
Having as at least meet our operating targets through the end of the full forecast.

467
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:22,110
So the solid waste utility takes a little bit more of a long-term look because of the nature of those contracts

468
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:27,010
than maybe water, sewer, or storm does when we're thinking about those written creases.

469
00:44:28,090 --> 00:44:34,810
For the 30 days, as well, this is something that, as Brooke explained in those previous slides,

470
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:40,210
we are trying to get to in that first year, so that really is what the 6.75 is going towards

471
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:41,570
not 30 days of operating.

472
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:48,450
And I will wrap up the solid waste discussion there if there are

473
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:51,050
any other questions in this utility?

474
00:44:52,070 --> 00:44:53,130
Council any questions?

475
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:58,010
All right, go ahead.

476
00:44:59,130 --> 00:44:59,510
All right.

477
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:14,940
So, just in conclusion here, thanks to Amanda for that piece, we're going to bring back the combined bill summary here across the four preliminary research strategies that you saw today in inclusive of taxes and other fees.

478
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:28,660
A typical single-family customer would see an impact of approximately $29.10 a month across all four utilities in 2027 that impact would decrease to about $20.65 a month in 2028.

479
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:39,680
Projected rate impacts are forecasted through 2032, but just as a reminder, we're really concentrating on the rate setting period of 2027 and 2028 at this point.

480
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:48,860
And then finally, while we showed you all a set of preliminary rate and capital funding strategies for each of the utilities tonight,

481
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:56,780
We are working with city staff on additional rate scenarios that could include the following adjustments or levers, if you will.

482
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:04,460
So first of all, we will bring back scenarios that include service package expenses to show their impacts on the rate strategies.

483
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:17,720
In order to mitigate some upfront rate increases, we could look at meeting reserved targets by 2032 instead of immediately in 2027 for water surface water and solid waste.

484
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:24,520
And primarily for sewer, we could look to reduce our system reinvestment funding contributions

485
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,240
for a period of time to help mitigate those rate increases that are related to that fund balance

486
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:37,960
recovery. The second two levers with guidance from Council could help to ease those near-term rate pressures.

487
00:46:41,570 --> 00:46:45,790
Yeah, that's nice to you, question. Council member Oath.

488
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:51,430
Thank you. I'm looking forward to seeing some of these options when you're looking at

489
00:46:51,450 --> 00:47:03,450
Reserved targets, can we get multiple options for replenishment for some I'm curious about what are the impacts if we close over

490
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:12,230
A biennium or two instead of all the way out to 232 and you may want to look at options that treat different utilities

491
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:14,870
different. Absolutely.

492
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:15,790
Yeah,

493
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,400
it's a rare past goal.

494
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Thank you.

495
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,140
Question or in a couple comments.

496
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,840
One is, it's really, I really like the table at the beginning of the memo that

497
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,720
Connect shows all the, the rating increases over the next six years for each of the individual

498
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:50,620
Utilities by percentage.

499
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:55,820
Could you, when, when you come back, could you just have an overall percentage

500
00:47:55,820 --> 00:48:03,220
image increased by year when you when you look at all of them together. Sure. That would be helpful.

501
00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:12,180
And then, you know, my second comment is, I don't. I'd love to hear someone disagree with this,

502
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:19,920
but it feels like these, these reading creases are going to be really impactful, really impacting,

503
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:29,040
cost of living, affordability, you name it, and I know that everyone's concerned about that,

504
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,600
generally, but we tend to kind of compartmentalize things and say, oh well it's because of this

505
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:42,120
little thing here, and then this thing over here, and then this rate over here, and this agency over

506
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:49,420
here, and then it comes across as like we kind of struggle our shoulders and go up, there's nothing we

507
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:57,600
do. And then we just move forward. And I guess I want to challenge that kind of thinking.

508
00:48:59,020 --> 00:49:05,400
And I know that we had conversations, regional rate, conversation. I know that we talk about

509
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:13,370
this individually for the different utilities. I just would ask for probably something that's

510
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:20,410
possible but just like more emphasis on like what can we do? Like what is in our purview that

511
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:32,710
actually can a meaningful change? You know what's the the least bad option. So that's just something

512
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:38,250
that's on my mind. It's a frustration of mine. I'm sure it's frustration of others as well.

513
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:43,430
That's like I feel powerless. Thank you. Thank you, city manager.

514
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:47,560
Yeah, so I think we all share

515
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:53,580
that concern that these rates are going up, but the totality of them is not sustain up the community.

516
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:59,220
You know, one of the reasons behind Kirk and Relic pushing for the regenerate summons was, you know,

517
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:59,980
take this and y'all.

518
00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:11,900
That's just not something that can be sustained. So in the first summit, what we learned was that a big chunk of the increase is across all utilities, which is regulatory.

519
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:27,360
And so to hear point about challenging assumptions, it's hard for us, particularly in the Pacific Northwest to think about, would you defer some environmental regulations, would you defer some climate commitments in order to save rate impacts, right?

520
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,380
So those are the kind of things that need to happen on the original level.

521
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,360
And we've been really pushing this new county executive to take out those affordability summons.

522
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:39,180
Because across all of King County is a major player here.

523
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,180
So it's huge and energy.

524
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,660
So that's one way I think we're going to keep trying.

525
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,360
And then we're looking very hard and everything we can do on the current side.

526
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:48,220
I have to keep our own cost out.

527
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,320
Well, so we definitely don't want to shrug.

528
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:52,160
Yeah, we definitely don't do what we can.

529
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:54,040
Trying to try to forward here.

530
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,220
Thank you for that comment.

531
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,320
Deputy Mayor.

532
00:51:00,590 --> 00:51:11,110
Thank you, Mayor, and thank you City Manager for reminding us about Kirkland's efforts on the regional, the utility summit.

533
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:24,790
I'm looking forward to the second summit and whether we can start making more progress towards some concrete proposals from the larger group.

534
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:28,410
I share the concern that customer and pastoral race.

535
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:38,270
I think we all do acute concern, which is why, you know, to put it, I think to kind

536
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:43,610
of add a plus one to account for a pastoral, everything that is in our control, one thing I

537
00:51:43,610 --> 00:51:50,270
appreciated was already in the proposals and the discussion are some suggestions for how to

538
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:57,350
the rate increase. I just want to emphasize whatever's within our control setting the regional

539
00:51:57,350 --> 00:52:02,710
rate summit aside and some of the strategies that may come out of that. Whatever is in our

540
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:09,670
control, I want us to bring all that to bear and I appreciate the staff's initiative already

541
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:16,170
in identifying some of those things. But again, if it's in our control, I'd like to see it as part of

542
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:22,390
our proposal at least to understand what it would mean and what its impact would be.

543
00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:24,570
So, I just want to add my voice to that. Thanks.

544
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:27,310
Thank you. Councilmember Kran, welcome back.

545
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:30,530
Okay, let's see if this works. I hope you can have a good.

546
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:31,170
Okay, perfect.

547
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:44,850
So I completely echo what others have said regarding just how impactful these rate increases potentially can be if they continue to be those rates in the future.

548
00:52:44,850 --> 00:53:01,890
And I think I just like to understand what is our primary mechanism to now now that we know what is going to be kind of the input into these potentially increases in rates.

549
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:13,430
What are our next steps to, I don't know, assign individuals within the city to say, all right, you go.

550
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:18,170
And you're going to go and work on these regional efforts.

551
00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:22,310
And then you are going to go work on potentially looking

552
00:53:22,310 --> 00:53:25,850
into our internal mechanisms and how to reduce

553
00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:26,610
these rates.

554
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:30,450
I guess what is our overall strategy on steps forward

555
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:32,130
to kind of get this done?

556
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:35,580
Did you manage it?

557
00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:38,290
Thank you.

558
00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:40,130
It's like you've heard my hand raised, but now.

559
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:45,090
So it's got to play out across a variety of different discussions

560
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:50,550
the council and different cities, strategies. So in the council's budget process, we're going

561
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:55,090
to hear a lot more about the capital projects and the rates and the overall city budget.

562
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:59,350
And we'll talk about some of those things. So some of the things we're looking at, for example,

563
00:53:59,490 --> 00:54:04,010
the council did give us permission to bring on traditional staffing to work, particularly with the

564
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:15,070
casket water alliance, the regional wastewater discussions that are going on. Right now we've been

565
00:54:15,070 --> 00:54:18,270
discussions. The mayor has been very involved. These discussions.

566
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:21,170
House member Arnold, a deputy mayor.

567
00:54:22,070 --> 00:54:26,470
Back to being involved. And obviously, Councilor Pascal is our representative on the

568
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:30,030
Cascade water line. So I think we've been trying to press it in every level to

569
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:33,610
House City of Kirk and Kirk right different analysis, different thinking to sort of

570
00:54:33,610 --> 00:54:36,870
challenge people's assumption and try to lower some of the costs.

571
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:42,930
So we're going to be working to state level two. We've had an our work program last time

572
00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:46,230
anything that comes out of these summits or ideas is something that they want to be

573
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:51,530
taking to the state level, you know, and so. Right now it's still a big

574
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:55,490
question uphill because these are decades in the making a lot of these decisions

575
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:59,990
I'll just pick up the original levels and it's hard to get out of the challenge.

576
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,980
Senator thinking in the short term, as this all kind of struck upon us. But as one as Jenny outlined at the very beginning, we're really trying to change our thinking about our own rates, trying to make process agreements, like splitting our water into your rates out, you know, for decades we haven't done that. So that's an example, a big better, a different analysis of the rates, tracking our revenues more carefully, like carefully at our costs, carefully at our labor costs and other costs. So there's plenty of nowhere in the government. There weren't looking hard at this and trying to come up with creative ways to break the rates.

577
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:33,380
down and to convince the region to help bring great staff as well.

578
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440
So, what's for next time on this slide?

579
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:38,560
And I would just add, appreciate that.

580
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:45,620
I hope the Mayor, Prim in your public issues committee, is another place too to advocate

581
00:55:45,620 --> 00:55:48,220
what we can do immediately on affordability.

582
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,180
Councillor Arld, did I see your hand up?

583
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:58,770
You did, but City Manager covered, we're also excited about the regional representation by

584
00:55:58,770 --> 00:56:07,670
Councillor Pascale at Cascade, myself, the solid waste working group and the Cascade

585
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:09,070
of Repremment, sound cities.

586
00:56:10,170 --> 00:56:10,770
Thank you.

587
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:11,710
Deputy Mayor.

588
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,260
Good segue.

589
00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:19,500
All I was going to do is add, I'm thankful, or the appointment to the Association of

590
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,920
Washington City's legislative priorities committee.

591
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:29,900
There, I, on behalf of Kirkland, have been able to elevate this issue with all the members

592
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:35,040
of the legislative party and community, and those are elected officials, Statewide.

593
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:41,240
And so we've gotten a really good response from those other elected officials.

594
00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:45,740
So this is becoming a topic that's going to elevate the Statewide.

595
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:47,980
Thank you.

596
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:54,400
prone to do of your hand? Yeah one one more question. So the other thing is I think given just how many factors

597
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:00,100
there are that are going to be contributing to this rate increase across the board for all of our utilities.

598
00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:08,420
I think what would be helpful also is like understanding kind of the timing of when each of these

599
00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:15,600
individual factors would take and would would become a factor. So that we're prioritizing like okay you know

600
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,440
like the King County's going to implement this rate increase by next month.

601
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,920
Okay, all of our efforts should go there and we should focus on that.

602
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,980
So I just wanted to maybe understand, like, are we factoring in timing as well of like

603
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:35,580
when these various components could be implemented and then kind of prioritizing accordingly?

604
00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:39,760
We are.

605
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:46,680
I think the challenge is unfortunately many of them are coming at the same time, right?

606
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,160
the reason we call it for the summit and the summit occurred is that it just kind of happens

607
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:56,800
that all of them are hitting the same tipping point of majorating pieces. So I think part of

608
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,240
the reason I asked for additional resources to be part of the discussions is we're having

609
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,920
to engage everything all at once, you know, the salt waste discussions, the rich on water quality

610
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:13,020
discussions, the casket water lines discussions at our own looking at our own work. But yes that is exactly

611
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:17,280
what we like out in terms of like where we send counts more to testify on our drafts that

612
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,280
we make or what staff goes while they monitor. We're really trying to make sure that we're

613
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:29,420
hit the right things at the rate. Great point. Thank you. Anyone else? All right, Jenny

614
00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:36,260
Brooke Amanda. Thank you very much. And we'll see soon. Jenny is there something you want to have?

615
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:42,140
I wanted to add a figure code to just the final slide just to wrap up. We'll be coming back to you

616
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:47,380
September 15th with proposed rates that incorporate some of the lovers we talked about today,

617
00:58:48,580 --> 00:58:54,720
and then again on October 20th so that we can have our new rates be effective on December 1st

618
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,320
for a water sewer and on January 1st for surface water and solid waste. So, thank you.

619
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:06,200
Great, thank you. Perfect, thank you. Thank you, Brooke.

620
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,800
We are now going to move on to our second-study session item, which is a perfect set

621
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,360
way based on the conversation we just had, which is the Kirkland Cares low-income support

622
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,560
program update.

623
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,340
City Manager.

624
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:25,310
Thank you, Madam Harris.

625
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:28,870
This was always going to be a business idea, but we felt like it actually made sense to have

626
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:30,150
it as part of the study session.

627
00:59:30,490 --> 00:59:33,810
It's really about the impact rate to come forward and come folks.

628
00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:38,090
But then also the impact of this program on the overall rates themselves, those two things

629
00:59:38,090 --> 00:59:42,610
late, you know, clearly on a pay close attention to both aspects of that. So I

630
00:59:42,610 --> 00:59:45,870
here to give you an update on what's been going on with our current affairs program

631
00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:48,710
and sort of next steps. We're going to start with Michael Olsen, our director of finance

632
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:52,250
administration, because often it's going to introduce his team that's going to speak.

633
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,680
Good evening, my dear Deputy Mayor and council members.

634
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Quinn is our program coordinator for

635
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,860
Over the Kirkland CARES-LOWING CUNCE, report program, and he will be making the presentation

636
01:00:03,860 --> 01:00:10,480
tonight. And team hands are our operations manager. We'll be available for questions as well as

637
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:10,940
myself.

638
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:13,520
Go ahead, question?

639
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:18,600
All right, good evening, Madam Mayor and Council members. I'm Kling Levy. I'm the current program

640
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,960
coordinator for the Kirkland CARES-LOWING CUNCE, report program. This presentation is an update

641
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,560
comprising of about eight slides from the program. We'll cover the following, a brief timeline

642
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,160
an overview of program activities and administration. Outcomes and growth of the program over the

643
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,180
last two and a half years and potential expansion options staffhood identified for the new

644
01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:36,620
future.

645
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,280
So to begin with a quick recap, City Council added $680,000 in one time funding to

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the 2023-2024 biennial budget for the city's first universal utility relief program,

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expanding what was at the time the senior discount program to include discounts and rebates

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and expand coverage to all qualified low-income residents. The program was designed with

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erection and feedback from council throughout 2023 and established by ordinance that December

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and went into effect on January 1st, 2024. Of the original $680,000 budget funding,

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roughly $200,000 remains and the language of ordinance 04868 still defines the program

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administration and the benefits derived. The program was originally managed by outside contractors,

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but it came internally managed to be getting in 2025.

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So a bit of background on program

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The requirements for eligibility into the program are curriculum residency and a household income below 80% of the area and media income.

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The area and media income is determined by the Department of Housing and Urban Development and then recalculated every April utilizing data from the Seattle Bellevue H.F.M.A.

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which comprises King's and Homish Counties.

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For 2026, that means the threshold for qualification into the curriculum care's program would be a gross income of 93,350 dollars for a household comprising of two people.

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It goes up and down depending on the members of the household, so we recalculate just based on the amount of individuals within a household.

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Discounts are applied directly to city of Kirkland utility accounts for water, sewer and garbage services, into the city bills directly.

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This count of accounts receive a 50% discount on base water rates, a 25% discount on base sewer rates, and a 40% discount on base garbage rates.

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01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:30,470
These discounts do not apply to consumption charges above the base rate and they do not apply to extra charges for extra pickups, late fees or shut-off fees.

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The creation of the Kirkland Care program also expanded coverage to households and multi-family units that are not directly built by the city via these discounts are realized through rebates that the city calculates and then sends to those households.

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For the more we extend rebates to cover Kirkland related fees for businesses, pets and vehicle registrations.

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As I said, these rebates are received through direct check to the service address of a customer, or via in-person pickup.

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Rebates for utilities are sent on a buy monthly basis, and one-time rebates for a qualified businesses, pets, and vehicle registrations are released on a monthly basis.

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eligibility is determined one time at the point of application, and then I buy any

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basis going forward. So this year in 2026, we are re-certifying all of the

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accounts that were certified in 2024. Re-certifying them.

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So we'll review the

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administration of the program along with budget and potential participation

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growth. As I mentioned earlier, the contract with the, with our, it's a

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contract or forward. It was not renewed in 2025. So residents now applied directly

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electronically or via paper application to the city to the city directly. Excuse me, Kurt.

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01:03:48,070 --> 01:03:52,950
Yeah, I just want to do a bit there on that that the forward so we put out an RFP for some

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provided administration on the private sector. For it was the only one I chose to reply and after

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they did it for about a year and they decided it was too hard and they withdrew. So the reason that we

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ended up having to bring in houses we actually didn't have anyone else to do it and then when we

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each out. Kelsman from Conan asks me, have we tried to check in with some folks and do this

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01:04:12,090 --> 01:04:17,790
on other places? And we found fur folks like Hope Lake, they were actually proposing to do it

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01:04:17,790 --> 01:04:21,770
for more than we could do it in house. So part of the reason we resulted, but the temporary

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01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:26,310
program coordinator was we found it to be the least expensive way we could do it at least at that time.

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01:04:29,250 --> 01:04:34,910
Thank you for the clarification, Craig. So as Craig mentioned, the city has hired a temporary

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01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:39,350
program coordinated to assist in administrating the program through 1226 that's me speaking

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to you now and the city continues to accept applications provide support and process recurring

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01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:50,590
payments to all applicants to the program. This includes all re-certification, all payment

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01:04:50,590 --> 01:04:54,730
processing, all eligibility screening and all outreach the program at this time.

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So a brief

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program summary over the last two minutes.

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The program has expanded coverage of the discount and rebate programs to over 1,000 total households over those two years.

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792 households now qualify for direct discounts on utility rates and across those households,

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01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,220
$641,552 for discounted from utility charges between 2024 and the end of June, 2021.

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01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:27,580
These discounts do not impact the program budget because they are realized the lack of revenue from utility charges,

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rather than rebated from the program budget directly.

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,280
The average discount per household is somewhat

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01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,500
bifurcated based on the services

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01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:37,480
a household can receive.

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01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:39,460
So for instance, a household is in a

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01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:40,820
Norstery utility district or wouldn't

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be a water district service area

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01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:43,960
and receiving water and sewer services

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,360
from those utility providers.

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01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:46,940
They qualify for less discounts

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01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:48,800
because they are provided less services

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01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,900
from the city of Kirkland.

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01:05:50,740 --> 01:05:52,280
That being said, a water discount

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,120
for single family residents is about $25 and $74 per

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01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:56,880
billing cycle.

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:03,880
For a sewer discount, it's $41.38, and the most common type of garbage service, a weekly 35 gallon pickup, is $42.

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And it's six cents per billing cycle, so that's two months.

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01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:14,960
A garbage only account with the most common type of garbage pickup will receive $250 and $36 in discount annualized.

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01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:19,900
While a single family residence, receding a water and sewer and garbage service from the city,

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01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:24,160
will receive $655.8 in total discounts on an annual basis.

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01:06:25,660 --> 01:06:33,540
Over that same time period, 229 total households qualify for buy monthly utility rebate checks.

715
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,740
Recurring utility rebates are calculated by CECode and based on the bedroom size of the unit and the utility service provided.

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:47,020
Recurring utility rebate for a garbage only account will result in $120 in total rebate on an annualized basis.

717
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,940
While a one bedroom apartment receiving water, sewer and garbage services from the city of Kirkland will receive on average $360 in annual utility rebate.

718
01:06:56,300 --> 01:07:00,720
And then we also, as I mentioned earlier, provide business pet and vehicle licensing rebates.

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These rebates are applied after initial payment by the customer, and then a receipt is provided to the city to let us know that the payment was made.

720
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:17,440
However, I will note that on business and pet licenses, the city also provides discounts to certain customers up front unrelated to the curriculum care program.

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01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:23,440
So we see less utilization of business life rebates and pet license rebates for those reasons.

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01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:31,130
So here we can see just a graph of overall program growth, as I mentioned earlier, that

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program is expanded, each year's registration from the original 277 senior discount accounts

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01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:45,310
in 2023, adding 396 total accounts in 2024, 199 total accounts in 2025, and 149 accounts

725
01:07:45,310 --> 01:07:47,110
in the first half of 2026.

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01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:52,530
These totals reflect the total of new applications, less the accounts that are removed from

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01:07:52,530 --> 01:07:56,930
the program due to failure to re-certify or for informing us of a household change that impacts

728
01:07:56,930 --> 01:08:00,530
their eligibility for the program, such as the move outside of Kirkland, or change in

729
01:08:00,530 --> 01:08:01,050
the eligibility.

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01:08:02,050 --> 01:08:06,030
The majority of the count growth has been driven by residents and single family residences,

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although 20% of the program totals are multi-family residences such as apartment complexes.

732
01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:15,670
And then I've raked down of those 792 accounts that are receiving direct utility discounts,

733
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:22,350
792 of those are garbage accounts, 444 also receive water services, and 379 of them

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01:08:22,350 --> 01:08:24,390
receive sewer services from the city.

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01:08:29,190 --> 01:08:32,170
So the outreach that we've conducted over the past year and a half, we've used several

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different avenues to try and expand knowledge about the program locally and increase participation

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01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:36,710
in the community.

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This includes distinct one-page mailers with a mailers, with program information that

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01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:43,730
accompany rate-change letters to all utility account holders.

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We believe this is particularly effective at the beginning of this year at increasing program

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01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:51,770
participation and intended to repeat the effort with future rate-change letters.

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We've also included blurbs in the Kirklander newsletter and staff has appeared on this week

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01:08:55,970 --> 01:09:01,390
curriculum podcasts. So our thanks and shout-outs to the communications team and CML for allowing us to do that.

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01:09:02,230 --> 01:09:06,190
Staff has also done direct outreach via site visits and multi-family facilities and apartment

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01:09:06,190 --> 01:09:10,730
complexes in order to directly assist residents with applications and questions which show

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01:09:10,730 --> 01:09:16,350
much of the rebate account growth that we saw in 2025. Finally, staff has met with various local

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01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:20,290
organizations to determine if there are potentials for expansion or collaboration between our

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01:09:20,290 --> 01:09:25,030
programs. That includes King County Housing Authority, original coalition for housing,

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01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:27,290
in more sure utility districts, future sound energy,

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and wouldn't build water district.

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So this is the final slide,

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and this will discuss our continued efforts

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to look at other ways to expand the program,

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both with encouragement itself

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and potentially involving other utility districts.

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So the first option that we have

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and one that we intend on pursuing most readily

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is using data that was correlated

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between the public work service water scheme

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and the King County assessors property tax information.

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01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:57,230
Using that, we identified 500 households

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01:09:57,230 --> 01:09:59,970
that would qualify for the direct utility discount that do not.

763
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,120
Currently, have not enrolled in the program. And in an additional 200 households that would qualify for BIMA for utility rebates that have not qualified for the program.

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01:10:08,860 --> 01:10:23,220
This opportunity is a little unique in that we're utilizing the assessors determination for property tax exemptions in 2024 and 2025, which was a period that the property tax exemption increased by $30,000 to $84,000 total.

765
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:29,020
and became greater than a Kirkland care program's lowest income qualification level of 80 $1,700.

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01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:39,040
So that means that for 2,025, the 800 or the 700 households we've identified are more or less guaranteed to qualify for the King Count or the Kirkland cares program.

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01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,470
Because the assessor's eligibility criteria is more stringent than our program's is.

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01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:50,100
So staff is really working through options to onboard the 700 households most efficiently.

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The second option that we have is a potential expansion into the North Shore utility district

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01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,120
service area.

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,040
Right now, Kirkland Harris program only provides discounts and rebates to Kirkland provided

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,540
garbage services in the area.

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01:11:07,060 --> 01:11:10,660
But city code could be amended to allow for payments to North Shore utility district customers

774
01:11:10,660 --> 01:11:16,000
for the difference between the amounts that North Shore customers pay and receive in discount

775
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,920
and the amount that Oakland Care's customers would receive in discount because of the difference

776
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,260
in utility pricing between our areas, the difference in discount amounts and the difference

777
01:11:24,260 --> 01:11:28,800
in program eligibility requirements, this requires review on a case by case basis for each

778
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,940
nor surely utility district customer determine whether or not they're already receiving

779
01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:37,200
nor short discounts and what the difference between that nor short discount and our discount is.

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01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:41,040
We've included that as an attachment to our memo to council fair.

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:48,500
We'd also potentially require a data sharing agreement between us and Norse or utility districts that we would know

782
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:51,800
the customer list of everybody they have was on discounts.

783
01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:55,400
We've also discussed the possibility of a shared application portal,

784
01:11:55,540 --> 01:11:58,880
so that anybody that applies to Norse or would automatically apply for the curriculum and care program.

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01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:02,480
We have not gone down that avenue just yet.

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,520
Thirdly, we intend to re-examine the utility rebate calculations in the coming years.

787
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:13,340
This is because the direct utility discounts that we give to Kirkland customers are based on percentages,

788
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,020
and that's automatically update whenever a new utility rate is adopted by the council.

789
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:21,600
However, the amount of utility rebate per household is defined by city code specifically,

790
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:25,140
and so that was last determined when the ordinance was voted on in 2024.

791
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:31,560
As utility costs increase year to year, these rebates will begin to lag the discount amount that we intend,

792
01:12:31,980 --> 01:12:33,680
and so only to be re-examined and re-determined.

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01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:39,160
Finally, staff will continue to conduct outreach and process payments and applications throughout

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01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:45,140
2020, six while working on potential administration options for 2027 and 2028.

795
01:12:48,230 --> 01:12:51,890
And finally, I'd like to leave it open for any questions in discussion you might have.

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01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:53,130
Thank you, Quinn.

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01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:58,670
I'm really proud of this program, and I'm very impressed with the outreach and all the

798
01:12:58,670 --> 01:13:00,670
work that you've done to expand this program.

799
01:13:01,010 --> 01:13:03,010
There's obviously a clear need.

800
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:13,390
Council Member Felcon. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Well, thank you, Quinn. First of all, I know this is a lot of work to administer this program. I can imagine a lot of details, right?

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Going through and income verification and all of that is not an easy process. So thank you for that. I'm happy to hear that we're signing more people up. I think that's a good thing.

802
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:28,650
even based on static meat, that's a good thing, right? But we know sadly that there's also

803
01:13:28,650 --> 01:13:33,250
growing meat, right, which is how this type, you know, nicely ties in to our former discussion,

804
01:13:33,810 --> 01:13:39,070
our last agenda item. And I really appreciate you, too, in the memo where you talked about being

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01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:43,630
proactive in identifying other people who may qualify for the program as well. I know we're doing a

806
01:13:43,630 --> 01:13:49,850
lot of that already, but thinking of, you know, how else can we find folks who may be eligible for this

807
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:55,290
program. I appreciate you mentioning the shared portal. I think that's a great idea.

808
01:13:56,170 --> 01:14:00,510
You know, I think it's important for us to fall to reduce our administrative costs,

809
01:14:00,810 --> 01:14:06,210
but also to reduce burden for applicants, right? We know that those that live with a low income

810
01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:11,630
have a lot of paperwork and a lot of phone calls and a lot of things, a lot of red tape

811
01:14:11,630 --> 01:14:16,710
to qualify for the programs that they so desperately need just to survive in our community.

812
01:14:16,710 --> 01:14:23,530
So I appreciate that the sheer portal could potentially address both of those things because obviously our administrative

813
01:14:24,270 --> 01:14:29,450
Administration cost here are pretty high proportion of the budget and anything we can do to reduce that

814
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:34,790
I wonder if in the meantime I mean looking at like the folks who already qualified for not at like the 50%

815
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:45,030
AMI do we have to you know it means test them if they've already qualified for that can we automatically accept them without having to go through our process to

816
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:49,250
save again on burden on the administrative cost on us.

817
01:14:51,610 --> 01:14:55,730
So the short answer is yes based on city code anything that the director of finance deems

818
01:14:55,730 --> 01:14:59,970
acceptable for our purposes we could use so for instance we do are to use.

819
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:14,160
We could also use nuts exempt exemptions in order to get these people on the program. The big is very to that right now, we'll just be getting a list from NUD, which requires something like a data sharing agreement.

820
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,540
And they have mentioned there. They're willing to do so. We would just need to go through those legal barriers.

821
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:23,420
Yeah, that would be great for us to do that, to be able to, as I said, say both the administrative

822
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:25,720
cost and burden to them.

823
01:15:26,260 --> 01:15:26,860
So, thank you.

824
01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:31,060
I appreciate being proactive and I, and I, I love the idea of a shared portal, but I

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01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:36,820
would love that for as many of these different jurisdictions and entities as we possibly could.

826
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,260
Again, just to have more of an economy of scale savings there.

827
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:41,660
So, thank you.

828
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:42,840
Thank you.

829
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:43,760
Can you answer your passcode?

830
01:15:45,220 --> 01:15:47,180
Yeah, thank you for that presentation.

831
01:15:47,180 --> 01:15:50,260
And then information that you shared,

832
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,180
I'm going to kind of build off a little bit

833
01:15:53,180 --> 01:15:56,040
of what Councillor Favcone was talking about.

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And the one thing I guess that surprised me a little bit,

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wasn't, I mean, I wasn't surprised about the need

836
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:08,020
and the fact that that's like they're going to increase

837
01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:12,180
with some of the utility costs that were forecasting.

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,440
But I was a little surprised by the administrative costs.

839
01:16:17,180 --> 01:16:29,660
It looked like 357,000 between 2024 and 2026, which seemed to represent a pretty good chunk of the available funding.

840
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:34,880
And so I know that you talked about reducing those administrative costs.

841
01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:47,160
I just want to emphasize that I think that'd be good, but I don't want to do it.

842
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:54,780
those that participate in an efficient way, but my ask is just to track that over time to

843
01:16:54,780 --> 01:17:01,400
see how we are reducing costs, how effective we are being. So as long as we, so the point

844
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is that's just continuing tracking that and showing how we're making progress towards that would

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be helpful. Thank you.

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01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:12,970
Did you major? Yeah.

847
01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:17,570
So I just thank you for those comments. I don't want

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that we also highlighted in the string of cost, but one of the things that is important to

849
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:26,910
know is that the primary part of that cost is actually quit position, and he has done an

850
01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:31,790
extraordinary job, not just of reviewing eligibility and stuff, but also this all the work

851
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:35,750
and everything, but he much talked about pretty much was also his work and trying to reach out to

852
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:41,090
folks. So we did work really hard to try to find an alternative way to provide this service,

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01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:45,170
and as I said, we didn't get any proposals and then when I reached out to folks,

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01:17:45,170 --> 01:17:49,750
when the charges were. So when we asked everyone else, they're like, well, we did two or three people to do that.

855
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:52,670
So we've very, very much about the administrative costs.

856
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:54,690
We're going for creative ways to bring that down.

857
01:17:55,190 --> 01:17:57,730
But we haven't quite figured out that not yet.

858
01:17:57,910 --> 01:18:03,070
And then the final thing I'd say in terms of the overall cost, what is not really shown on that list is

859
01:18:03,070 --> 01:18:06,470
the foregone revenue that people get because they get the discount.

860
01:18:06,730 --> 01:18:10,590
So it's actually a better number than it looks because we basically,

861
01:18:11,690 --> 01:18:14,850
That's the one that came out of the plot you gave us, but it's not that this counts

862
01:18:14,850 --> 01:18:15,650
everybody's receiving.

863
01:18:16,510 --> 01:18:20,930
So, but so now did we definitely want to find a way to bring our numbers down, if we can.

864
01:18:23,230 --> 01:18:23,550
Thank you.

865
01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:25,810
Anyone else?

866
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:28,930
Quinn, you are doing an excellent job on this.

867
01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:30,790
I really appreciate it.

868
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:36,790
You may have said this in your presentation, but are there, oh, Calzareff, I'll call them.

869
01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:38,730
Sorry, I didn't see you, but I'll go ahead and finish.

870
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:51,030
Are there other, are you getting requests from applicants for other types of relief, is there anything coming up that we're not capturing now?

871
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:02,860
I would say the greatest amount of requests that we get there outside our current ability to do anything about is really just expanded discounts of what we already provide

872
01:19:04,060 --> 01:19:06,660
or misunderstandings about the current related nature of the fees.

873
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:09,000
So, for instance, for the vehicle registration,

874
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,760
we're only rebating that $20 fee

875
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,720
that the city of Kirkland assesses on a car registration.

876
01:19:14,660 --> 01:19:17,120
Often when people hear about the program, they'll hear,

877
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,180
you know, oh, I can get help with my vehicle registration

878
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:20,880
and the cost is in the hundreds of dollars.

879
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:22,400
The $20 fee, well, appreciated,

880
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,140
is not what somebody imagines when they hear about that.

881
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,140
For other city services, we don't hear as much.

882
01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:34,660
not hurt as much, but we have tried to increase our communication about exactly what we

883
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:38,840
provide to try and limit those sort of situations going forward.

884
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:41,620
Okay, thank you.

885
01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:42,760
Councillor Falkov.

886
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:44,520
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

887
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:50,800
Thank you for the explanation, Quinn, and also City Manager for your remarks about, you know,

888
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:55,740
the cost driver being quit in position, right, which is really important, but I do think as

889
01:19:55,740 --> 01:19:59,880
as we talked about the need continuing to grow, not only like, and, you know,

890
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:12,360
We're talking about just the overall cost per customer or per resident, right? That that dollar value will likely increase, but also the number of residents who qualify may also likely increase.

891
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:28,880
So I see this as a, you know, how to make your position as efficient as possible, right? And so as we grow, even if the dollar amount remains the same, you know, plus, you know, annual, you know, pay increases that the percentage of a decrease because the total pie is going to be larger.

892
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:33,180
to your percentage of the pipe that is the cost of your time would be slightly less like we

893
01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:37,440
already talked about some of the other things but also I love for us to look at instead of

894
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:42,220
annually every two years doing means testing right I know that there's precedent for that

895
01:20:42,220 --> 01:20:48,060
and some other organizations that do means testing that may save you some time and also like to

896
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:52,280
look at what other cities are doing to expand some sort of share portal right to see if this is

897
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:57,940
something we can encourage in other cities which is be good for residents but also to help economy

898
01:20:57,940 --> 01:21:01,020
So, again, thank you so much.

899
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:02,400
Thank you.

900
01:21:02,500 --> 01:21:04,360
Councillor Timchus, did I see your hand?

901
01:21:07,420 --> 01:21:07,680
All right.

902
01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:08,640
Anyone else?

903
01:21:11,230 --> 01:21:11,550
All right.

904
01:21:11,650 --> 01:21:13,690
Quinn, are you who is that a hit?

905
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:14,910
That's all I've got.

906
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:15,430
Thank you, Council.

907
01:21:16,330 --> 01:21:16,690
Awesome.

908
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:17,770
Thanks so much.

909
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:20,160
Okay.

910
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,700
We are concluding our study session a few minutes early.

911
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:27,880
So, we will be back at 7.30 for our regular meeting.

912
01:21:27,980 --> 01:21:28,660
Thanks, everybody.

913
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:35,840
If breaks is needed to address any technical issues and help ensure that the meeting proceeds

914
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,980
as smoothly as possible, I do see a number of people in the Rose Hill room.

915
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,540
Thank you for joining us.

916
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:49,280
We do not have any proclamations on our agenda, so we will start tonight's regular meeting

917
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,720
with items from the audience.

918
01:21:53,540 --> 01:21:56,840
So, this is a time in our meeting when we normally hear from the public.

919
01:21:57,260 --> 01:21:59,220
Please limit your remarks to three minutes.

920
01:21:59,220 --> 01:22:05,240
we will provide up to a total of 45 minutes for our items from the audience with no more than six

921
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:11,240
speakers on a subject regardless of their position on the subject. To address the council during

922
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:17,080
this item through the audience, please sign up using the online public comment instruction link.

923
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:24,420
Your first and last name displayed in Zoom must match the registration form. For those participating

924
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:30,600
by phone please dial star nine to be recognized to speak. I am soon the audience is an important

925
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:35,520
part of our business meeting. We ask that everyone be treated with kindness and respect.

926
01:22:36,140 --> 01:22:41,520
Please do not clap or applaud or otherwise openly express your agreement or disagreement with

927
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:47,420
a speaker. When that happens even when supporting a speaker it can be disruptive of the meeting

928
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:53,660
and discourage others who are sharing a different viewpoint. We discourage people for

929
01:22:53,660 --> 01:22:59,680
using obscenities and making personal attacks against others, and we ask that you direct your

930
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,320
comments to Council, not to staff or audience members.

931
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:09,040
In addition, because they can be disruptive, signs and placards are not allowed in Council

932
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:14,280
Chambers, or the Rose Hill Room, during our meetings regardless of their content.

933
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:20,960
As a reminder, state law does not allow items from the audience to be used for promoting,

934
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:27,440
opposing or discussing a candidate's campaign or ballot proposition.

935
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:32,020
Kirkland prides itself on being a respectful, welcoming community.

936
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:38,240
We want everyone to feel like they belong in Council Chambers or the Rose Hill Room

937
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,280
expressing their views points.

938
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,680
City Clerk, could we have signed up to speak?

939
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,020
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

940
01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:47,520
At this point, we do have 12 guests wishing to speak.

941
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,720
We'll take the first three in this order.

942
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:57,500
Christy jacket following us on site Jerry not on site and also Alicia Remira's on site. Please approach the podium

943
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:20,510
Welcome Christy and you can see the timer on the screen on the screen. I do. Thank you. Go ahead. Hi, my name is Christy

944
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:27,310
Dragots. My family lives at 6150 130th Avenue, Northeast, which is right against the Southern

945
01:24:27,310 --> 01:24:34,650
boundary of the south reservoir water tower site. I'm writing to ask for your help in finding a better

946
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:40,690
outcome for a serious problem with the current project design. Our home is separated from the reservoir

947
01:24:40,690 --> 01:24:46,710
by a grove of mature, restaurant, red seeders. For generations this grove has screened our home

948
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:53,030
from the tank and its barbed wire security fence. It has also sheltered wildlife, including my own

949
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:55,090
children, climbing, and swinging in their branches.

950
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:59,970
As currently designed, the project would remove all of the trees between...

951
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:11,080
In our house in the water tower structure. It would also relocate the barbed wire fence right up to the property boundary, which is a mere 13 feet from our bedroom window.

952
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:21,220
If the fence were moved on top of the boundary, it would leave us no ability to plant anything to screen our property from a barbed wire fence.

953
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,940
And all of that aside, I actually want to talk about the trees that are slated for removal.

954
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:34,980
The city's arborist report did not assess the western red cedar grove that sits between my house and the reservoir.

955
01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:41,380
Though this grove is on city's property, it can currently only be accessed from our property.

956
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:49,880
And it's clear from the absence of sufficient analysis in the city's report that this grove was mostly ignored when the team reviewed the proposed water tower designs.

957
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:57,000
We hired our own consulting arborist, which documented nine high retention value trees in the grove.

958
01:25:57,060 --> 01:26:04,180
Six of them are landmark trees, which are trees measuring larger than 26 inches in trunk diameter at breast height.

959
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,280
The ones I'm talking about are quite larger than that.

960
01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:12,260
The diameter is as large as my arms spread out. These trees are gigantic.

961
01:26:14,820 --> 01:26:22,040
The three of the trees that are designated landmark trees are missing entirely from the city's inventory.

962
01:26:22,780 --> 01:26:30,620
So if our city staff have acknowledged the current report is deficient, but no commitment has been made to correct the design or mitigate the outcome.

963
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:39,400
And as things stand, the city is relying on an erroneous report and we believe violating its own tree ordinance, which is chapter 95, if it proceeds.

964
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:45,080
to be clear. We support the city maintaining its water infrastructure. What we're

965
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:49,780
asking for is a design that preserves the grove and protects the buffer between

966
01:26:49,780 --> 01:26:54,760
our home and the facility. And I don't need to tell you I know that there's no

967
01:26:54,760 --> 01:27:00,360
replacing healthy 100 plus year old trees. Forest Health Specialists have noted

968
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:05,500
significant Western Red Seater dieback in the Pacific Northwest since 2017 due

969
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:09,620
climate change and hotter drier summers, which we're experiencing right now.

970
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:13,340
As our arborist report lays out, young western red cedars.

971
01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:18,680
The kind the city keeps assuring us will be replanted, have very low survival rates.

972
01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:22,940
We also know that new trees simply planted next to each other does not constitute a

973
01:27:22,940 --> 01:27:25,160
grove nor mimic the benefits of one.

974
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:29,560
Older western red cedars need to be redeemed because the new ones are dying.

975
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,820
Christy, I apologize your time is up.

976
01:27:32,020 --> 01:27:32,320
That's okay.

977
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:33,300
Thank you.

978
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,100
Thank you for your passion on trees.

979
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:41,120
And I know that Julie Underwood are public works director plans to come walk the site with you.

980
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:45,420
So thank you. Yeah, I wouldn't invite anyone that wants to come out any time. Thank you so much.

981
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,280
Jerry not.

982
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:56,440
I'm Jerry not representing the Marinor condominiums next to Marina Park on Kirkland Avenue.

983
01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:06,640
I initially wanted to express our concerns about the excess noise created by loud boat music and large groups of people sitting on the dock late at night after 10 o'clock.

984
01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:13,680
The same three or four bolts tie up at the entrance end of the dock, which is directly below the western units of the mariner.

985
01:28:15,460 --> 01:28:16,000
Come on, baby.

986
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:24,860
The police enforce the standard residential noise rules in Kirkland, but you have to call the non-emergency number to register a complaint with the Kirkland police.

987
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:32,220
We call this number many times during the summer, and the police usually respond within 30 minutes to shut down the loud music and parties on the dock.

988
01:28:32,220 --> 01:28:37,000
The same bolts will return the next day, and the noisy parties will start it up again.

989
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:42,620
We would suggest a regular 10pm walkthrough by police to shut down the loud music and

990
01:28:42,620 --> 01:28:45,020
disperse the crowds at the park side of the dock.

991
01:28:46,180 --> 01:28:51,720
The park rangers walk through the dock to the three times to check a day to check that

992
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,500
if the bolts are paying their mortgage fees for that day.

993
01:28:54,500 --> 01:29:02,480
They leave by 6 or 7 at night after they tag checks and give tickets where needed.

994
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:08,140
No one with the authorities around to maintain or enforce the dock rules that clearly

995
01:29:08,140 --> 01:29:13,460
state where you can more your boat, where you pay, no excessive noise allowed, no drinking

996
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:18,000
on the dock, and no rafting alongside other boats on the south side of the dock.

997
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:24,880
These rules have been regulated, these rules have not been regulated in force since the

998
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:30,160
Harbor Master position was eliminated during COVID, and there's no one on the dock with

999
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,480
authority to end any rule-breaking activities.

1000
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:37,900
A few alterations between mariner tenets and mild bold operators, and their guests have already

1001
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:43,780
occurred this summer, which have involved fist fights, verbal threats, and police involvement

1002
01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:45,900
regarding the sputes.

1003
01:29:54,140 --> 01:29:59,980
Tonight, I would like to express the mariners, homeowners, request of their country.

1004
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,360
Concerns regarding the excess noise be considered when planning the new dock construction for next year.

1005
01:30:06,860 --> 01:30:10,880
This would include a clear understanding of the rules and method of enforcement for the upcoming years.

1006
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:17,680
We are tax-paying curtain residents who do not want the new dock to become a playground for loud music and parting crowds.

1007
01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:25,790
Examples of this activity would be one either Bay where they had to have to enforce new rules

1008
01:30:25,790 --> 01:30:31,890
at the nearby home owners requested to end this type of offensive behavior.

1009
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:36,370
And Andrew's Bay in the South Lake Washington where they are initially new rules to control

1010
01:30:36,370 --> 01:30:38,130
the noisy crowds during the summer.

1011
01:30:39,250 --> 01:30:43,130
The dock mortgage should be for borders looking to visit Kirkland, tour the shops, enjoy

1012
01:30:43,130 --> 01:30:47,890
the restaurants, and be able to stay on their boat and not be assaulted with loud music

1013
01:30:47,890 --> 01:30:52,090
and the notches and obnoxious behavior. Thank you.

1014
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:54,690
Thank you, Jerry. Alicia.

1015
01:30:56,430 --> 01:31:00,290
Alicia Ramirez will be followed by Aaron Belmore and Brady Northstrom.

1016
01:31:00,910 --> 01:31:03,550
Thank you. Good evening, Council.

1017
01:31:03,650 --> 01:31:07,230
Thank you for letting me speak tonight. First off, I want to thank you for passing

1018
01:31:07,230 --> 01:31:10,110
resolution 5, 7, 2, 9 last year.

1019
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:12,390
Really, it's a preparing the civilian community for

1020
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:15,370
ICE activity. And for the progress towards the goals of the

1021
01:31:15,370 --> 01:31:20,630
solution that were shared during the last meeting. However, despite this project progress,

1022
01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:25,050
time is not on our side. During the last several weeks, there have been an alarming uptake

1023
01:31:25,050 --> 01:31:31,330
in ice abductions of community members in Saurline, Seattle, Renton, Burian, the quillarevin,

1024
01:31:31,390 --> 01:31:37,490
Linwood, and Everett just to name a few. Yesterday and Lake Forest Park, a community member was

1025
01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:45,350
violently pulled out their vehicle and taken by ice and broad daylight in the middle of the

1026
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:48,130
all over the region almost every day.

1027
01:31:48,710 --> 01:31:50,930
I urge you to move quickly to implement the rest

1028
01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:54,990
of resolution 5, 7, 2, 9, and to provide more resources

1029
01:31:54,990 --> 01:31:57,290
to residents regarding immigration rights

1030
01:31:57,290 --> 01:31:59,830
and assistance for impact community members

1031
01:31:59,830 --> 01:32:03,230
who have lost the breadwinner, breadwinner, or family member

1032
01:32:03,230 --> 01:32:03,910
to ICE.

1033
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:05,790
Thank you.

1034
01:32:06,030 --> 01:32:06,990
Thank you.

1035
01:32:08,110 --> 01:32:08,530
Aaron.

1036
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:16,680
Here today, not to talk anybody.

1037
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:17,980
Just trying to get some resolution.

1038
01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:20,640
Everything's based on my opinion, simply

1039
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,260
because City of Kirkman will not answer any questions

1040
01:32:23,260 --> 01:32:24,900
and or give any help.

1041
01:32:25,700 --> 01:32:26,980
Just kind of roll through stuff quick.

1042
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:27,900
We'll have three minutes.

1043
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:31,300
This is the original construction of one particular deck.

1044
01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:33,020
You can see some support that was done

1045
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:35,060
with constant concrete center blocks.

1046
01:32:35,380 --> 01:32:37,340
No engineering done, Jeff let us know

1047
01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:39,440
that engineering at City of Kirkman is required.

1048
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,280
You also let us know that permits required.

1049
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,460
I reported it, City of Kirkman did nothing.

1050
01:32:43,940 --> 01:32:46,180
This is what happens when nothing's done.

1051
01:32:48,340 --> 01:32:50,740
Read on again, second time, no permits.

1052
01:32:50,740 --> 01:32:56,540
city city is not done anything. Then Adam from planning comes out. I didn't see any construction

1053
01:32:56,540 --> 01:33:00,780
any of it in construction. Well, they're plywood. They're still the center of blocks. I mean,

1054
01:33:01,180 --> 01:33:07,340
I don't know if that's got its leading our planning. We're in big trouble, by the way. It was told

1055
01:33:07,340 --> 01:33:13,220
that not contact the fire department for that. And I've been on it that our civil servants are using

1056
01:33:13,220 --> 01:33:18,000
those decks. I don't know if their families or friends know that they're in danger, possibly every day.

1057
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:25,800
Here's one catch basin that was replaced tied into a large catch basin that goes onto our under a fire lane right here

1058
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:33,180
Possible sink holes. We have water mains that were replaced possible sink holes firefighters, police cruisers, other citizens

1059
01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:39,980
Mayor may not know about what it can be possibly done. Here's a packet that was given you were at the meeting may first

1060
01:33:39,980 --> 01:33:42,920
Why you guys refuse to answer questions is beyond me?

1061
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:47,380
This is what you're elected officials. You're here to answer questions. You hear the do stuff for the people

1062
01:33:47,380 --> 01:33:51,600
here's David's promise in an email that I'm going to get answers by May 13th still

1063
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:58,140
knows it. No answers right there, boom. Constant delays. He said he had a meeting

1064
01:33:58,140 --> 01:34:01,940
with experts. Experts were going to be able to get me the answers after the May 13th meeting.

1065
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:07,320
No answers. After my meeting, after our council meeting, the other day I said that I was not able

1066
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:14,560
to contact council and or fire based on David's emails. Here's his retaliation email that

1067
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:19,580
States. Oh, you can contact them. I never said that. And all Aaron refuses to meet in person.

1068
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:25,980
But Aaron doesn't have more emails on that. And then here we have in David's emails right here,

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01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:33,560
where he says, don't contact, don't contact fire or counsel. Um, so blame game. We're not going to

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enter into the blame game with David. Are my attorneys said that David keeps doing it. Adam's keeps

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doing it. David keeps a David takes snippets of emails and tries to change the outcome of it by by by by

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what are you stating? You know, Mayor, you're really good at public speaking. You're

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follow through really, really awful. You know, you say Kirkland's all inclusive. You

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say all this stuff, but there's no action. So I emailed the City Council. I hope all

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you guys reply. I don't want to have another possible violation for

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Thank you.

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All right. Next we have Brady Norstrom. And Brady's joining us virtually. All right.

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radio you there?

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It might take just one moment. Okay.

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Hey there folks, I believe

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you can hear me now, so I'll go for it. Hi, my name is Brady Northstrom, and I am the

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associate director of government relations and policy at the Housing Development

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Consortium. I'm also here to represent the voices of the East Side Affordable

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Housing Coalition, which consists of about 30 organizations that build,

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operate and advocate for affordable housing on the east side, including in Kirkland.

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I first wanted to thank staff for their hard work and early engagement around the housing

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on faith owned land code amendment that's on the agenda today.

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We support the initial proposal from staff and the proactive engagement that was done with

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the affordable housing community, including our coalition members.

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This policy is a win-win for faith communities and the city of Kirkland, faith organizations

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can use their land to prove their financial standing, while contributing to mission-aligned

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community goals. It's also a good chance for the city to expand affordable housing. However,

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this policy is only worthwhile if it can be used by these faith communities. So we just wanted

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to take staff for setting a solid foundation for this success.

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Some of the things without going into all the details,

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but flexible and clear design and development standards,

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increase capacity and exchange for affordability

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with the chance to get the deeper levels through extra bonuses,

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and then the buy right approval and administrative review

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for departure requests.

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Something that is pretty common in development

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is that almost every project requires a departure.

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So we wanted to take staff for including administration departures for these minor deviations.

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We would also ask for more substantial code deviation requests to have a pathway as well.

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So faith communities are not development experts.

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And so we support these additional parts of the code that's being recommended.

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One of the things to go beyond the code rather including expedited permitting review,

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pretty submittal conferences and staff support. Future work will also be needed to educate these

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faith communities about what this tool is, how they can use it and what circumstances. It

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ultimately takes knowledge, money, and time for a faith community to even consider development

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and then go through a discernment process. So we look forward to this next stage as well. So thank

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you for your time this evening and thank you for moving forward this important policy.

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Thank you, Brady.

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All right.

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I have a city clerk.

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Next, we have Alex Zimmerman, Lian,

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Institute, and Lilith Winkler's short.

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The first two on-site in the last virtual.

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All right. Alex.

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Yeah, thank you.

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01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:45,810
Now, my name is Alex Zimmerman.

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I'm President of St. Dapan, America.

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I want to speak about low-income problems.

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01:38:51,070 --> 01:38:52,790
So, it months ago,

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what involved in country housing authority.

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Eight months ago, I give my request a few questions to depot your mayor, Mr. Black, because

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he commissioned her of King Country Housing Authority. So, situation very simple, right now, last

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year I come three times to meeting King Country Housing Authority of certain meetings they give

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me a response for ever. So, all rest of my life I cannot go. So, Mr. Black, this is the

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What is mean why? Because I have little bit different opinion. Maybe very different opinion.

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01:39:30,030 --> 01:39:33,910
Because in country, how is a notoriety of this commissioner, Mr. Black,

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01:39:34,250 --> 01:39:39,490
deputy mayor, is a pure crook and bandita in killer, this a very serious problem.

1133
01:39:40,450 --> 01:39:45,910
They more dangerous than Hitler, Nazi Gestapo, fascist, you know what is mean?

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01:39:47,670 --> 01:39:53,150
We have a constitution, law, for 250 years.

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01:39:53,950 --> 01:39:57,750
Hitler don't have this, in freedom of speech, Hitler don't have this.

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If we have...

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Execute your order, you're ago, from Trump, you know what is mean, can country housing authority post to be blown out into American citizens, because I'm come for this three meeting, what is they have, and investigate into guys you spend $100 million for not legal immigrant.

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And people like me senior citizens disabled, low income, you know what is mean, don't have chance, go to can country housing authority, you pay Tory percentage from income, like my income, for example.

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01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:33,470
I cannot afford to live. It's fine apartment, ever.

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01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:39,790
Well, better, you know, at least.

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For 1,000 bucks a month.

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01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:45,850
So this guy very interesting because you know about this.

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01:40:45,950 --> 01:40:50,170
I speak about this and all kinds of know about this and no one else.

1144
01:40:50,670 --> 01:40:53,970
But this exactly what is you doing, because I told you more than

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01:40:53,970 --> 01:40:55,970
the original, I guess, that was the first.

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01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:59,510
This guy who spoke before me to talk about this exactly.

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01:40:59,510 --> 01:41:06,050
say because you democrat, you make from King country and from Kirkland, you know what is

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mean?

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01:41:06,990 --> 01:41:11,010
Two and a half millionths left and Kirkland has this hundred millionths.

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01:41:11,650 --> 01:41:12,350
Very quiet.

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01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:17,130
Nobody is talking about this, you know what is mean, so you more danger is in Hitler,

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01:41:17,370 --> 01:41:18,110
not so good stuff.

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01:41:18,330 --> 01:41:18,910
Fascists.

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01:41:19,090 --> 01:41:24,790
Hitler is talking about German, for every German, you kill every American citizen.

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01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:31,450
is totally opposite. You are real bandit, you are real killer. When you stop in doing this,

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01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:34,590
while all in considers an American, don't have right.

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01:41:35,050 --> 01:41:39,330
We have a Trump, we have an American revolution, stand up, slap, and hit the cow.

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01:41:39,930 --> 01:41:42,410
We have executive order from President.

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01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:43,990
Idiot.

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01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:45,870
No, fine, dude.

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01:41:49,420 --> 01:41:51,900
All right, next we have Leigh Ann.

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01:41:57,930 --> 01:41:58,530
Did he clerk?

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01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:11,540
Mayer Curtis, we have a guest here that's announcing a very special scholarship and they're requesting that that guest be heard from first and that person is

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01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:16,260
Lilith and she is online. Can we accommodate that request please?

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01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:18,000
Absolutely.

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01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:19,220
Stand by.

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01:42:34,330 --> 01:42:45,630
Good evening, city council members and Mayor Curtis. My name is Lilith Winkler Shore. I served on the

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01:42:45,630 --> 01:42:50,390
the eighth annual Matthew Dahl Kirkland Youth Council Memorial Scholarship Award.

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01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:56,850
Matt served on Kirkland Youth Council from 2009 to 2012. He passed away in February of

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01:42:56,850 --> 01:43:02,730
2018. Matt was proud of his service to his community and loved being a part of the council.

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In his spirit and memory, his parents, Linda and Bob establishes annual scholarship to benefit

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01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:13,890
a Kirkland Youth Council high school senior. I'm here representing the scholarship review committee

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01:43:13,890 --> 01:43:18,570
which includes myself, and Allison Blair, and Kenny Drabble, who are there in chamber today.

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01:43:19,050 --> 01:43:22,910
The three of us have served on KYC together alongside our dear friend, Matt.

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Especially exciting tonight, I'm here to introduce land institutes to the council and to the

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community. As the 2006 recipient of the Matthew Doll Cartland Youth Council Memorial Scholarship Award,

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land is here with us tonight and will make some remarks after this announcement.

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01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:44,690
Lann graduated from Winita High School this year, she will be attending the University of Washington.

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Lann is to be commended for her extensive service and leadership to Kirkland on the youth council beginning in 2024.

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We are incredibly touched by her responses to the essays and we would love to share one quote which we really think gives the heart and soul of what Kirkland youth council is about and particularly about what Lann services about.

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She wrote, the most valuable skill I've taken away from KYC is the ability to build bridges

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between people and create spaces where others feel genuinely seen, heard, and valued.

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I realized how much belonging shapes the way people contribute, collaborate, and grow.

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When I became co-chair, I began thinking about leadership, not as directing people, but

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as intentionally creating connection.

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01:44:28,510 --> 01:44:29,570
Congratulations, Lian.

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01:44:30,170 --> 01:44:34,990
Kirkland Youth Council continues to provide an important formative opportunity for local youth.

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01:44:35,410 --> 01:44:36,750
We want to recognize ready Schubiger.

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For the wonderful guidance, you continue to provide as the program coordinator for the Kirkland Youth Council.

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And thank you for the opportunity to make this scholarship announcement.

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01:44:45,970 --> 01:44:48,990
And now I believe they end with like to use her public comment to say a few words.

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01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:51,090
Thank you all so much and congratulations again.

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01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:52,410
Thank you.

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01:45:00,820 --> 01:45:17,160
Good evening, Mayor Curtis, members of the City Council and everyone here tonight. First, I would really like to sincerely thank the DELF family and the scholarship committee for this incredible honor. I feel so genuinely honored.

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It really means so much to receive a scholarship that celebrates Matthew Dahl's commitment to serving our community.

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And I also want to thank the City of Kirkland for continuing to invest in young people through programs like the Kirkland Youth Council.

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In the excerpt that was shared of my scholarship as I talked about building bridges between people and creating spaces where others feel seen.

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heard and valued. That became truly my biggest takeaway from KYC, but it also changed the way

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that I think about leadership. When I first joined KYC, I thought I was joining a group that

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planned events and volunteered in the community while that is still true. I never expected it to

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the kind of person that I wanted to become. It taught me that meaningful leadership isn't

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01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:22,720
about having the loudest voice in the room. It's about making sure that people feel comfortable

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01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:29,140
using theirs. And some of the moments I'm most proud of, uh, where it when I was the one speaking,

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01:46:29,580 --> 01:46:37,000
but when I saw someone who had once, uh, been quiet, began sharing their ideas because they finally

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01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:44,060
felt like they belonged. As someone who has moved between countries, cultures, and communities

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01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:52,460
many times, I know how meaningful that feeling of belonging can be. That's why creating spaces

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where people feel welcomed, included, and valued is something I care so deeply about, and it's

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01:46:57,940 --> 01:47:03,120
something, and it's a lesson I'll carry with me long after my time on KYC.

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Receiving a scholarship in Matthew Dahl's name is especially meaningful, because it reminds me that the bridges we build and the impacts we make can continue long after we're gone.

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Every act of kindness, every opportunity we create for someone else, and every person we encourage has the potential to shape the community in ways we may never fully see.

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and I hope to carry that listen with me a long after my time on KYC is over.

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So thank you again to the Dahl family, this college of committee and the city of Krakhan for

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this incredible honor. It is something that I will always be grateful for and I will carry with me

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01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:50,100
whatever life takes me next. Thank you. Thank you, and congratulations. I was going to say we

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01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:55,920
with clap, but you can't hear us. So thank you so much. All right, next we have Aaron.

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01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:03,620
Aaron Hamilton followed by Alicia Wees and Sean Hornbrook. Thank you.

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01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:13,430
Hello again. It's wonderful seeing all of your virtual faces. It's been a hot minute, but I always

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like to make an effort to recognize people that go above and beyond, especially when it comes

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01:48:18,650 --> 01:48:26,390
to my community. Even though I'm a little bit late, Redmond keeps me busy, but I would

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like to recognize Chief St. Jean and the Kirkland Police Department for doing just that

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01:48:31,890 --> 01:48:37,630
and inviting me to present my transgender community interaction and engagement for public

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safety training course. It's a work in progress. Back in June, it's not something that

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01:48:45,690 --> 01:48:53,330
I needed to do or had to do, but after my quick and dirty pitch and a conversation, he was

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on board.

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He wanted to do it, signed up, let's go.

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That truly means a lot.

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It was a great training session, the officers in attendance, passed with flying colors,

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a plus-schooled stars, they asked tremendous questions, and it gives me hope to see what

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enforcement, taking these opportunities to learn about my community and what they can do

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01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:30,450
to help. I don't know if any of you remember, but the last time I was over there, giving the

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01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:38,210
speech on Transvisibility Day, I spoke a lot about Knowledge's Power and this is where it kind

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01:49:38,210 --> 01:49:42,670
of starts. This is a training program that I've been working on with public safety to help bridge

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that gap and rebuild these bridges between law enforcement and my community and we're starting

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and I'm actually starting to see progress, especially with interactions from law enforcement

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with the community.

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So, it's giving me hope that what I'm doing is good. I hope, and that we can continue to rebuild that trust.

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I like to thank Mike very much, because, you know, with our conversations, you've always been, I just want to, I just want to do what I need to do to make you all happy.

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And feel safe and important, and that really means a lot, so I just wanted to recognize those efforts and appreciate what the Kirkland PD is doing and hopefully we can take you all can take that to

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01:50:39,780 --> 01:50:52,820
We're all coming in September, so hopefully you're a little bit more prepared for dealing with the community from afar or however they want to be doing that, so thank you very much

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01:50:52,820 --> 01:50:58,820
Thank you, Erin. If we sincerely appreciate you showing your appreciation, so thank you very much.

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01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,200
Alicia's next, correct?

1242
01:51:04,460 --> 01:51:08,860
Correct. She is online, so we're waiting for her to go through the transition here.

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01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:22,240
Good evening, Mayor Curtis. The members of the council. My name is Alicia Chiruris.

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And I'm here today on behalf of Habitat for Humanity.

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01:51:25,300 --> 01:51:33,180
Seattle King and Kinitask County's to speak in the support of the ordinance expanding affordable housing opportunities on faith owned property.

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01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:38,800
Habitat submission is simple. Everybody knows a decent affordable place to call home.

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01:51:39,300 --> 01:51:47,280
We work toward that mission to permanently affordable home ownership and partnerships that turn underused land into real housing opportunity.

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This ordinance speaks directly to that work.

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01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,300
Faith opportunities across the east side,

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often hold land that is incredibly valuable and underused.

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01:51:57,140 --> 01:51:59,440
These parcels represent one of the most promising

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01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:02,600
and most overlooked opportunities to build affordable homes

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01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,460
in places that already have community groups,

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transit access and neighbors who want to see them thrive.

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01:52:09,580 --> 01:52:12,280
By allowing streamlined permitting and reasonable density

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and high flexibility for residential development on faith owned land,

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This ordinance removes real barriers, the kinds that often, the kind that often stall affordable projects for years, or kill them before they start.

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It gives faith organizations a genuine path to put their land toward long-term community benefit, and it gives nonprofit developers like Habitat, a viable partner to build with.

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01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:45,780
We know this model works, and it's already helping families move from renting to owning in communities across our region, and we believe it can work in hurt going to.

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Habitat is committed to deepening our presence on the east side. We want to work directly

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with Perkland's faith communities, city staff, and this council to identify sites where

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this ordinance can turn into real, permanently affordable homes for local families. We see

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this legislation as an invitation and we intend to answer it. We urge you to pass this ordinance

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and we look forward to building what comes next together. Thank you. Thank you, Alicia.

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01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:13,260
But

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Sean Hornbrook virtually, after Sean, we have two additional guests, Ken McKenzie, on

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site and Joe Conzler virtually.

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01:53:30,980 --> 01:53:31,660
Thank you.

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01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,080
Sean, do you hear us?

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01:54:08,410 --> 01:54:09,210
I've bought an out.

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01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:09,650
Can you hear me?

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01:54:10,210 --> 01:54:10,270
Okay.

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01:54:10,570 --> 01:54:11,010
We can.

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01:54:11,230 --> 01:54:11,470
Go ahead.

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01:54:12,270 --> 01:54:12,710
Great.

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01:54:12,830 --> 01:54:14,610
Thank you so much.

1277
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:15,250
Good evening.

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01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:20,890
Ms. Mayer and to council, I'll be really brief here.

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01:54:20,890 --> 01:54:24,090
I only need my only comment. It has to do with the

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Arita agreement and I wanted to just I'm sure the numbers of the council

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and Madam Mayor familiar with what's what the agreement is about

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One it's affordable housing which is great and I think we can all get behind that

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But my concern with this new agreement is that in 2019

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Arita benefited from the

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the MFT pilot program. They already got an attack spin at received attack spin

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a fit for this property.

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So, what are we going to get? It was another tax break plus the no interest loan as members of the

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Kirkland community. I've lived here for homeowner for 23 years now. Great place. That's your

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refill. I just wanted to know what we're going to get for benefit because we're going to be

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taking, given them the tax break, that has to still get paid to the money and fee that it has to be it has to be it has to have to come from somewhere.

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So, what's the benefit going to be, because that's also money that's not going to go to other places to different programs for a foreign policy.

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So, when I looked at this agreement, I noted that we're not kidding, we're not kidding in the new units that are affordable.

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Also, the particular property is inherently inexpensive and well below the 60% median threshold of partner rents rental.

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So we're looking at the benefit because we're paying more and they already had a benefit.

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So they're back again for a second benefit.

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So what are we going to get no more new units?

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So maybe a guarantee that it's going to stay low.

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Well, there's nothing that's been presented that I can see that is going to cause these micro apartments micro studios to increase as far as the size and the footprint.

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we're not getting any more units that's not going to change of us which to new buyer they've got

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01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:50,460
the same footprint. So if they want to refurbish it or whatever they're going to have to

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expand it in more than a minimum money to make this a different rental value property. So

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I'm asking an urging a no vote because I don't see it going to fit or new for housing with this

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particular agreement and I think you all for your time this evening. Thank you Sean.

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Yes, thank you. I'm sorry. I thought you were done. Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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01:57:22,900 --> 01:57:28,460
So I'm here to talk about the tool library and the RFP response.

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So it's submitted by the Eastside Tool Collective, which has no form right now.

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And they say they're going to operate under physical sponsorship of the South King tool library.

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So I went digging into the IRS database and found this alking tool library, they haven't submitted their tax return for two years.

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So they're right on the verge of losing their tax exempt status and yet the city is anticipating that we would do business with them as a tax exempt organization.

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The RFP response does not include any description of what fiscal sponsorship means.

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Fiscal sponsorship is extremely broad and very complex.

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Sometimes the fiscal sponsor acts on behalf of the organization and sometimes they act

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alongside.

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We don't know, and yet we're going to be asked as a city to make out a check for $100,000

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to presumably South King Tool Library and we have no idea what the relationship between them and the

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the East Side Tool Collective is.

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So if we don't give the money to the Tool Library, the South King Tool Library,

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then somebody's got to pay taxes on it and that's not in the budget.

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So we need to know what legal entity the city's going to be working with.

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Otherwise, the RFP is kind of non-responsive. We just don't know.

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So why is this RFP response so empty and critical financial areas? Why isn't anybody giving it a once over?

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01:59:16,350 --> 01:59:18,090
Is the RFP just a formality?

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Oh, well, we're all friends and it's only a hundred thousand dollars. So we really don't have to be very careful about it because we'll sort all this out.

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Well, I don't think so.

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I think $100,000 is a lot of money.

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And I think that before we process this RFP,

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before we have any kind of agreement,

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we have to kind of get out of this one hand,

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washing the other relationship,

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and instead create an arms length relationship

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between the city and our contractor,

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so that we get our money's worth,

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and we know who we're working with,

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and what we're going to get for what we stand.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. All right, Joe Conzler.

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Can everyone hear me?

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Thanks. Hopefully this thing works. New kind of new technology, new, new, new form of zoom.

1340
02:00:22,150 --> 02:00:24,050
So why don't we get through this this quick as I can?

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With two minutes, fifty seconds.

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Really would encourage city of Kirkland to, well, I've asked you to do this before.

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I'll ask you to do it again considering you were marks of a certain balance.

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02:00:34,530 --> 02:00:39,170
And then if you felt like you could speak up and say that was wrong and historically untrue

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02:00:39,170 --> 02:00:45,910
among other things, that you need to really talk to your friends and readmen, that you need to talk to your friends and

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02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:51,030
develop you about getting some counter rules because you're spending a night away from your families here.

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02:00:51,750 --> 02:00:54,930
You don't deserve to be compared to mass murdering genocidal monsters.

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I'm not even going to use the word Zimmerman News.

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I know better.

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And I find those kind of equalifications unfair to you and your friends and family.

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02:01:05,030 --> 02:01:09,750
I find them unfair to the staff and the community to ask the sit for this.

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02:01:10,430 --> 02:01:14,650
This is not why I fought for public comments so hard during and certainly after the pandemic.

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02:01:16,630 --> 02:01:19,570
This is not okay the way you're being treated.

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02:01:20,330 --> 02:01:23,150
And I think it's incumbent upon you, stand up for each other.

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02:01:23,150 --> 02:01:28,430
I pushed boundaries here. Redmond did. It looks like Zimmerman's intimidation going there.

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02:01:28,450 --> 02:01:34,130
Mercer Island did. Zimmerman doesn't go there anymore. Seattle really has.

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02:01:34,290 --> 02:01:38,890
Zimmerman doesn't go over there anymore. Can I see a pattern? I think I've made my

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02:01:38,890 --> 02:01:41,950
point. It's kind of running a bit late when we show how well you say about their

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Thanks all you do.

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02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:47,300
Thank you.

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02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:50,700
All right, so the clerk does that end our public comments?

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02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:53,260
Yes, it does.

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02:01:53,740 --> 02:01:55,380
All right, thank you.

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02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:58,900
We are now moving on to the consent calendar.

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Before we have the motion, I'd like to ask the deputy mayor to present the audit of counts.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor.

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We are now moved, I'm sorry.

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I always read from the wrong section there.

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02:02:12,410 --> 02:02:19,310
Thank you. We had payroll in the amount of 10 million, 432,835 dollars in 2.6 cents,

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and bills in amount of 12,948,410 dollars, and 90.4 cents.

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Thank you. Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar?

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That was a move.

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02:02:32,410 --> 02:02:37,110
Oh, wow. I think that was Councillor Perum, second by Councillor Perum,

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02:02:37,110 --> 02:02:38,030
Deputy Mayor, is that right?

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Councillor Perum, were you the motion maker?

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02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:51,500
Okay, all right, it's been moved by Councilor Pram 2nd by Deputy Mayor Black to move for this consent calendar is there any discussion.

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All those of the favor, but they say aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries seven zero.

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Thank you.

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All right, we are now moving on to our regular business agenda.

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Our first item of business is on Alternative Delivery of the Peter Kirkpool Project, City Manager,

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02:03:20,710 --> 02:03:21,230
you're muted.

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I was brilliant opening, too, and I've just stepped all over it.

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Thank you, Madam Rick.

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So, this is your second presentation on the Alternative Delivery of the Peter Kirkpool Project.

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As you know, it gave us permission to go to the state to see if they would approve the project.

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They did.

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going to hear about that and then it requires under our code visit a council to give staff permission

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to proceed with this as an alternative delivery method. So we're going to have a council

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patient tonight and we are linking for a motion to approve us to move forward here to

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keeping that presentation that's our senior project into your attic Davis. Our city is consultants

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at Turner and Townsend here in our Julie Underwinner Director of Public Works.

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Thank you, City Manager.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Black and City Council.

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Thank you for this opportunity to provide an update on the Petergurt pool project.

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We can move to the next slide.

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As the city manager summarized, in June, Council received an overview of the progressive design build

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and supported staff's recommendation to apply to the State's Project Review Committee PRC

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for authorization to use this delivery method.

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Tonight we'll briefly recap the Petergurt pool project

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and why staff continue to recommend progressive design build.

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Then we also summarize the PRC's decision.

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Explain how this...

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The delivery method protects public value, walks through the plan schedule and procurement process, and conclude with recommended council actions for tonight and in the future for this project.

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It sounds like a lot, but it's only 10 slides and we're already 2 down.

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So. All right. Project summary, the Peter Kirkpool project is primarily a renovation project.

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The existing facility has reached a point where investment is needed to address aging building systems.

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The pool shell, the and deck mechanical and electrical systems, accessibility improvements and renovations to the bathhouse.

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With this, the project provides an opportunity to improve the community's experience by replacing the existing waiting pool with a more functional activity.

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people and expanding the Vath House to include family and all-gender changing rooms.

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Her previous council decisions, the scope will not include relocating the pool entrance to

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Kirkland Avenue and exploration of the pool enclosure.

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As shown on this slide, you can, there you go, thanks.

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The project is supported through a combination of impact fees, wheat wine, Kirkland parks,

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and King County Park's levies at the grant, potential debt funding, that financing and

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virtual identified funding package of approximately 11.7 million. The complexity of delivering

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this work within an existing operating aquatic facility and coordinating all of these interconnected

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systems led the staff to recommend progressive design build. Progressive design build is

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well suited for projects that involve technical complexity. I'm known existing conditions and

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challenging schedules, those are exactly the characteristics of our Petercork pool project.

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The project includes specialized aquatic mechanical systems, integrating and integrating new

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systems with existing infrastructure creates uncertainties that are best resolved when the

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contractor can join the team early rather than after the design is complete. At the same time,

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the project must balance immediate infrastructure needs while maintaining seasonal operations.

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Ultimately, progressive design build allows the owner, designer, contractor, and contractor

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to collaborate early to refine scope, improve constructability, manage risk, and develop

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realistic cost information before construction is contracted.

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Those advantages are not available through a traditional design build approach.

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As we summarize earlier, following Council's direction, staff prepared and submitted the

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application to the PRC on June 30th. The application was accepted without any request for

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clarification or additional information and staff presented the project to the committee on July

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24th. The city's presentation team included public works director Julie Underwood,

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Deputy Director of Parks John Lloyd, Parks Planning and Development Manager Mariah Gill,

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and myself. We were supported by Turner and Townsend Hearies serving as our owner advisor and

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of a law group serving as legal counsel.

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After our presentation, questions and discussion, the committee unanimously determined that

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the project satisfies the statutory requirements of RCW-3910 and approved cities request

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to use progressive design build.

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The committee provided positive feedback about the city's preparedness to administer a progressive

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design build project.

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They commended the training completed by staff, our use of an experience owner advisor and

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Council and our efforts to build relationships with peer agencies experienced in progressive

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02:08:52,890 --> 02:08:59,170
design-built and aquatic facilities. Overall, a committee described the city as well prepared,

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02:08:59,470 --> 02:09:04,210
said this was a good use of public money, and commented that we had picked to the right project

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for progressive design-built. And Stacey, we'll take the next slide.

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So, progressive design build protects the value of public dollars in a couple of ways.

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So, best value selection, this gives us the opportunity to select a team that is most quality

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or not best value qualifications based best value selection.

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So, it gives us the opportunity to select a team that is most qualified to deliver the project,

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both technically and from a process perspective, and that also includes specialty subcontractors and subconsolent, so that's especially applicable to this project with the pool systems, those are very special in nature, and we'll take the right team to deliver the project well.

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It's also based on transparent costs.

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So we'll start working with a team early on to develop exactly what the scope is of the project and what the costs are of the project.

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And it's developed in what's called an open book nature and that's contractual.

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So everything that the contractor team is working on early on in the process is shared with the owner team, transparently.

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So the sub numbers that they're getting from potential partners, they're back up to all of their information, all of the details are there.

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So we as a team can evaluate it and understand if that's good value to the project and we can also use third-party estimators to review that and help understand that as well.

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and then market competition.

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So the design billers selected based on qualifications,

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the subs can be selected on qualifications

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or through competitive subcontractor bidding.

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So we get to have some flexibility in how they're brought on,

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but there is, there there will be some competitive

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big packages and so we know that we're getting the best value there.

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And this is also the delivering method that gives us the best opportunities

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you incorporate along WBE businesses and that's by being able to create the right packages and make

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sure that we have them and also that the contracting is open so we're able to select them in this

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process.

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Moving to my next slide. So this is a big and overarching timeline of the process

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project and what it's intending to show here today is contract milestones and when we'll come back to

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you. So, the blocks are milestones that represent either the first one,

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procurement,

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and contract phases. So, we've signed one contract in progress of

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design build at the very beginning and is for an initial phase of service. And then

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there are amendments that go with that. So, the next time we would come back to

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would be around December. So as soon as we get done with procurement,

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and I'll talk a little bit more about that process on the next slide.

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And that would be for the to approve award of the contract for the initial phase

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of services, which is called validation.

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And we had to spate that to be two to three months.

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And then we would come back again,

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heard approval of the next contract phase, which will likely include the

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early work package that we've talked about, being able to do some of the

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things that need to be done on the pool prior to opening for next season, along with the balance

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of design for the project.

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And then toward the end of design, we come back with what's called the GMP amendment, and that

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is the amendment that enables construction.

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If we're a successful here tonight and you're compelled by our requests to use progressive

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design build, the next step would be to move into a procurement of the project.

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And so on a progressive design build project, what that means is it's a two step, two step

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Qualifications base selection.

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First up being issuing requests for qualifications

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02:13:21,350 --> 02:13:23,730
in response to that, we would receive statements

1494
02:13:23,730 --> 02:13:26,590
of qualifications from proposed design built teams.

1495
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:29,750
Anyone who's interested can submit statement of qualifications.

1496
02:13:30,630 --> 02:13:33,050
Selection committee reviews those qualifications

1497
02:13:33,050 --> 02:13:35,530
to establish a short list.

1498
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:39,850
The short list then receives the RFP for the project,

1499
02:13:40,630 --> 02:13:43,730
request for proposals, and that phase the team

1500
02:13:43,730 --> 02:13:48,410
developing a management plan where they're telling the three teams who are shortlisted typically

1501
02:13:49,370 --> 02:13:54,270
three, a management plan that talks about how they would approach delivering the project

1502
02:13:54,270 --> 02:14:01,210
for the city. And so during that period, step five there, we would hold interactive meetings.

1503
02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:06,710
And these are unique to progressive design build. Sort of similar to an interview. They're just

1504
02:14:06,710 --> 02:14:10,030
set up a little bit different, and that's what makes them unique and progressive design build.

1505
02:14:10,030 --> 02:14:16,130
And we receive those management plans after those interactive meetings, evaluation committee,

1506
02:14:17,470 --> 02:14:23,250
then evaluates the second step management plans, scores all together, and then you have

1507
02:14:24,530 --> 02:14:30,410
a parent high scoring proposal that you'd go into contract negotiations with.

1508
02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:36,210
And once we've established contract terms, that would be when we'd come back for that initial

1509
02:14:36,210 --> 02:14:37,150
contract approval.

1510
02:14:45,080 --> 02:14:52,920
Because, excuse me, because the city has not yet established a standard process for council oversight of progressive design build projects.

1511
02:14:53,540 --> 02:14:59,620
Staff is proposing a series of decision points that we believe will provide meaningful council oversight.

1512
02:15:00,020 --> 02:15:06,400
Throughout the project, beginning to night with authorization to procure a progressive design billed team.

1513
02:15:07,140 --> 02:15:18,500
After tonight, the next recommended action would be the approval of the design bills contract following the selection of the progressive design builder, which is the process Stacy just outlined in the last slide.

1514
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:23,640
This is currently anticipated in December of this year or in January.

1515
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:31,880
At that meeting, we would summarize the procurement process present evaluation results and request authorization to execute the contract.

1516
02:15:32,840 --> 02:15:41,780
After that, staff anticipates completing the validation phase, which confirms that the project scope budget and schedule remained aligned before moving into full design.

1517
02:15:41,780 --> 02:15:58,700
staff would then return to Council, which weren't participating in March, with confirmation of that alignment and a request to proceed with full design development and preliminary design concepts for the replacement activity pool.

1518
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:01,120
We anticipate bringing to you at that time.

1519
02:16:01,420 --> 02:16:10,840
And then authorization to proceed with any recommended early work packages which would be work before we open in the summer season for 27.

1520
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:11,240
7.

1521
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:18,400
Finally, before major construction begins, Council would be asked to approve the negotiated

1522
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:24,180
guaranteed maximum price to MP for the full project. At that time, we'll present the

1523
02:16:24,180 --> 02:16:29,460
results of any independent cost validation and confirm that the proposed price is fair and

1524
02:16:29,460 --> 02:16:34,720
reasonable before requesting authorization to proceed with construction. As we've discussed,

1525
02:16:34,860 --> 02:16:40,300
these contract amendments are a normal and expected of progressive design build as the project

1526
02:16:40,300 --> 02:16:46,740
advances from design ultimately to construction, the contract is intentionally amended to authorize

1527
02:16:46,740 --> 02:16:51,560
each new phase of work. These plant milestones in the delivery process should not be interpreted

1528
02:16:51,560 --> 02:16:53,160
as change orders.

1529
02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:56,560
So, and then next slide.

1530
02:17:00,130 --> 02:17:02,850
So today's recommendation for this evening staff

1531
02:17:02,850 --> 02:17:07,770
recommends that council authorized staff to proceed with procurement of a progressive design

1532
02:17:07,770 --> 02:17:14,210
team for the Peter Kirkpool project and direct staff to return to Council for approval of the contract.

1533
02:17:15,070 --> 02:17:18,970
Approval tonight's motion allows the staff to begin the competitive procurement process

1534
02:17:19,870 --> 02:17:23,650
and we will return at each major milestone that we've just outlined.

1535
02:17:24,930 --> 02:17:28,930
And that concludes my presentation. Thank you for your time and consideration and we'd be happy

1536
02:17:28,930 --> 02:17:33,470
to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you, Anika and Stacey.

1537
02:17:34,030 --> 02:17:35,470
Council on any questions comments?

1538
02:17:46,130 --> 02:17:47,010
Deputy Mayor.

1539
02:17:51,060 --> 02:17:51,120
Here.

1540
02:17:51,680 --> 02:17:52,280
There you go.

1541
02:17:52,840 --> 02:17:53,940
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1542
02:17:54,620 --> 02:17:58,080
If there were no questions, I was going to get us started with a motion.

1543
02:17:58,800 --> 02:17:59,340
That sounds fine.

1544
02:17:59,640 --> 02:18:02,200
But it looks like Councillor Falco and does have questions for staff.

1545
02:18:03,460 --> 02:18:04,760
Councillor Falco ahead.

1546
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:07,820
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1547
02:18:08,560 --> 02:18:09,660
I just wanted to mention.

1548
02:18:09,820 --> 02:18:11,740
Thank you for.

1549
02:18:11,780 --> 02:18:15,100
I don't remember who mentioned, but mentioned the.

1550
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:19,280
the kudos that we got on the establishing and network of peer agencies and I just wanted to

1551
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:24,840
call and thank Ryan Buckup the Lake Washington School District in particular for the work on that

1552
02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:30,540
because that's something that I know we've learned a lot from their expertise and we really

1553
02:18:30,540 --> 02:18:35,640
don't know our partnership with the school district. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Deputy Mayor

1554
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:43,220
back to you. Well thank you. So I'll make the motion I move to authorize and direct the city manager

1555
02:18:43,220 --> 02:18:47,780
or does it need to proceed with the progressive design build procurement process for the

1556
02:18:47,780 --> 02:18:52,760
Peter Kirkpool project and return to Council for approval of the contract with the selected

1557
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:59,960
progressive design builder. Second. When it's been moved by Deputy Mayor Black second by

1558
02:18:59,960 --> 02:19:05,080
Councillor Fairfell Cone to move forward with the progressive design build any further discussion.

1559
02:19:09,170 --> 02:19:15,570
All right, well I just want to thank everybody for the good work and I'm excited to start this

1560
02:19:15,570 --> 02:19:25,630
project. So all those in favor and the motion on the table please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries seven zero.

1561
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:36,700
If we are moving on to our next item, which is the draft to a library implementation plan, city manager.

1562
02:19:38,260 --> 02:19:45,600
Okay, thank you, Madam Mayor, so the goal tonight is to present you with the draft response

1563
02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:50,220
to the RFP we had, which the staff deems as being a draft implementation plan for the

1564
02:19:50,220 --> 02:19:55,140
tool library, looking for council direction on whether you'd like us to proceed with discussions

1565
02:19:55,140 --> 02:19:59,300
with the proposal or if there's any other information that you have that you had eaten

1566
02:19:59,300 --> 02:19:59,560
Again.

1567
02:19:59,860 --> 02:19:59,960
So...

1568
02:20:04,260 --> 02:20:14,000
Thank you, City Manager. Good evening, Madam Mayor, Deputy Mayor and members of the council. Happy to be here tonight to provide an update on the draft implementation plan.

1569
02:20:14,580 --> 02:20:24,060
I have nine slides beginning with a brief overview of the project background. We'll then go over a few key pieces of this submitted proposal.

1570
02:20:24,060 --> 02:20:29,860
And we'll conclude with a handful of policy questions that are also outlined in your memorandum.

1571
02:20:30,660 --> 02:20:33,860
And while my presentation is less than 10 slides, there's quite a bit of info.

1572
02:20:34,020 --> 02:20:37,880
So please feel free to raise your virtual hand or your real hand.

1573
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:39,260
I can see all of you.

1574
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:45,240
So I will pause to answer any questions that come up prior to the final policy question slide.

1575
02:20:47,930 --> 02:20:49,570
Okay, beginning with a little background.

1576
02:20:49,570 --> 02:20:55,690
Council had expressed interest in exploring a community operated tool library in years past and

1577
02:20:55,690 --> 02:21:00,690
included objectives in both the comprehensive plan and sustainability strategic plan related

1578
02:21:00,690 --> 02:21:06,170
to circular economies, access to hand and electric tools, and reuse of building materials.

1579
02:21:07,150 --> 02:21:11,490
Staff met with the operators of the Seattle and shoreline tool libraries to better understand

1580
02:21:11,490 --> 02:21:16,270
what it takes to launch and sustain a successful tool library and based on those conversations,

1581
02:21:16,270 --> 02:21:20,650
Excuse me, conversations, staff estimated approximately $100,000

1582
02:21:20,650 --> 02:21:25,110
were needed for startup, which counseled and appropriated in the 25-26

1583
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:28,270
budget with a condition that an implementation plan

1584
02:21:28,270 --> 02:21:30,550
be approved before any funds were released.

1585
02:21:31,650 --> 02:21:35,090
So with that, in March, staff hosted an information sharing

1586
02:21:35,090 --> 02:21:38,150
interest gathering event featuring Seattle

1587
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:42,510
economies executive director to introduce a concept and discuss

1588
02:21:42,510 --> 02:21:45,170
what it takes to operate a successful tool library.

1589
02:21:45,170 --> 02:22:02,690
And recognizing that volunteers are essential to a successful library staff invited representatives from community organizations, volunteer groups, educational institutions, environmental organizations, business organizations, a total of 123 individuals were invited and 19 people attended.

1590
02:22:03,610 --> 02:22:29,410
So when May staff came to council with a draft scope of work and incorporated council's direction into it and issued the RFP shortly after we received one proposal as a city manager mentioned from the Eastside tool collective and while the RFP was open staff took the opportunity to gather additional community and put at the recycled right event or 70% of respondents indicated they would be somewhat or very likely to use a tool library.

1591
02:22:29,410 --> 02:22:34,090
But, a big caveat, you know, we recognize this isn't a statistically representative survey,

1592
02:22:34,450 --> 02:22:40,170
but it does provide another indicator that there is community interest, respondents also identified location,

1593
02:22:40,390 --> 02:22:43,250
and the variety of tools as the two most important considerations.

1594
02:22:46,770 --> 02:22:52,130
So before discussing the proposal itself, I want to demonstrate how staff has incorporated the direction

1595
02:22:52,130 --> 02:22:56,330
Council provided on my fifth into the scope of work that was included in the RFP.

1596
02:22:56,330 --> 02:23:04,330
The starting at the top first was liability insurance staff worked closely with the city attorney's office and the Washington

1597
02:23:04,330 --> 02:23:13,250
Fitties Insurance Authority, which is the city's insurance authority to ensure the insurance requirements included in the RFP appropriately protect the city.

1598
02:23:14,270 --> 02:23:24,090
Second, a preference for non-city owned location staff revised the evaluation criteria to give preference to proposals recommending a non-city owned location.

1599
02:23:24,090 --> 02:23:33,210
While the proposal we received outlines both a city owned and non city owned option, that preference was reflected in the solicitation.

1600
02:23:34,190 --> 02:23:35,630
Third is limited city involvement.

1601
02:23:36,490 --> 02:23:42,330
The draft scope of work first brought to Council had a greater level of ongoing staff involvement and staff revised that.

1602
02:23:42,470 --> 02:23:51,030
It's a narrow city staff involvement to initial volunteer recruitment and marketing on city social media was ongoing responsibility for operations remaining with the operator.

1603
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:56,650
Fourth was limiting the city's financial commitment, staff is not proposing any funding beyond

1604
02:23:56,650 --> 02:24:02,050
the 100,000 already appropriated by Council and any future spending would require separate

1605
02:24:02,050 --> 02:24:02,950
council action.

1606
02:24:04,210 --> 02:24:08,470
And finally, Council directed staff to develop an implementation plan before releasing the

1607
02:24:08,470 --> 02:24:09,250
100,000 dollars.

1608
02:24:09,350 --> 02:24:11,090
And that's the purpose of tonight's discussion.

1609
02:24:11,610 --> 02:24:16,130
If Council agrees this proposal provides a sufficient framework, staff would use it as the

1610
02:24:16,130 --> 02:24:20,910
basis for negotiating a final agreement, which would return to Council for approval before

1611
02:24:20,910 --> 02:24:22,190
any funds are released.

1612
02:24:23,430 --> 02:24:27,930
The with Council's direction, we incorporated that feedback into the scope of work, issued the RFP,

1613
02:24:28,190 --> 02:24:33,790
and reached out to all 123 individuals who had been invited to that earlier information

1614
02:24:33,790 --> 02:24:37,170
sharing and interest gathering event to let them know.

1615
02:24:38,210 --> 02:24:38,290
Okay.

1616
02:24:38,590 --> 02:24:39,430
I want to pause here.

1617
02:24:39,570 --> 02:24:42,790
Are there any questions before I jump into the proposal that was received?

1618
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:47,110
All right.

1619
02:24:47,390 --> 02:24:48,930
Council, any questions on the process?

1620
02:24:53,180 --> 02:24:53,720
Andrea, they're going.

1621
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:55,160
Thank you.

1622
02:24:55,640 --> 02:24:56,000
All right.

1623
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:59,980
So, as you mentioned, the city received one proposal from the East Side Tool Collect.

1624
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:06,300
The staff believes it is responsive and meets the requirements of the Council approve scope of work.

1625
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:11,960
ETC, eSight Tool Collective, is a coalition of Kirkland residents to intend to form a Washington nonprofit.

1626
02:25:12,660 --> 02:25:17,680
And until that nonprofit is formed, it would operate under the fiscal sponsorship of the South King County Tool Library.

1627
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:26,220
This proposal maintains that the city would not own or operate the Tool Library and states that the city's role would be limited to providing one-time startup funding,

1628
02:25:26,220 --> 02:25:32,300
assisting with identifying location, supporting initial volunteer recruitment, and helping promote the program.

1629
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:40,280
Responsibility for implementation, operation, staffing, programming, and long-term financial sustainability would remain with the operator.

1630
02:25:43,370 --> 02:25:48,950
Okay, the proposal represents two possible facility options, characterized as tracking and track B.

1631
02:25:49,510 --> 02:25:57,570
Track A would utilize a portion of the fire logistics building and track B is a containerized model with the location still to be determined.

1632
02:25:57,570 --> 02:26:03,390
And at this point, staff has not completed due diligence on either option as draft implementation

1633
02:26:03,390 --> 02:26:06,490
plan was requested by Council before deciding whether or not to proceed.

1634
02:26:07,050 --> 02:26:11,730
The staff is recommending that if Council likes to continue forward into negotiations that

1635
02:26:11,730 --> 02:26:16,690
both tracks remain under consideration, because additional due diligence is needed before we can

1636
02:26:16,690 --> 02:26:18,150
recommend one over the other.

1637
02:26:23,880 --> 02:26:29,640
A proposal includes many, many of the operational details outlined in the RFP, including a membership

1638
02:26:29,640 --> 02:26:34,640
model borrowing policies and an online reservation and inventory system.

1639
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:44,700
And as previously mentioned, staff worked with WCA and the city attorney's office to ensure

1640
02:26:44,700 --> 02:26:48,520
the insurance requirements were appropriate, including naming the city as an additional

1641
02:26:48,520 --> 02:26:52,340
insured and providing proof of insurance within 10 days of contract execution.

1642
02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:58,580
The proposal also includes borrow agreements, liability waivers, safety training for higher risk

1643
02:26:58,580 --> 02:27:01,740
equipment and routine inspection and maintenance procedures.

1644
02:27:01,740 --> 02:27:02,980
The

1645
02:27:05,700 --> 02:27:10,220
city's financial commitment remains limited to the original $100,000 appropriation.

1646
02:27:10,740 --> 02:27:15,260
Any additional funding would require future council approval, long-term sustainability

1647
02:27:15,260 --> 02:27:20,000
would be the operators responsibility through memberships, grants, donations, workshops,

1648
02:27:20,820 --> 02:27:23,540
and other revenue sources that they deem appropriate.

1649
02:27:27,070 --> 02:27:32,590
That is the extent of the background and update to council on the draft implementation plan.

1650
02:27:32,970 --> 02:27:36,210
Tonight we're looking for council's direction on these policy questions.

1651
02:27:36,210 --> 02:27:41,570
Madam Mayor, I'd like to turn it to you for discussion, beginning with the first bullet.

1652
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:44,920
Thank you, Andrea.

1653
02:27:45,340 --> 02:27:53,980
So Council, the first bullet is, does the proposal will provide enough information as a draft implementation plan to start negotiating agreement?

1654
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:57,440
And if not, what specific information do you need?

1655
02:28:11,230 --> 02:28:12,070
Council Minister Arnold.

1656
02:28:14,590 --> 02:28:15,270
Thank you, Mayor.

1657
02:28:16,290 --> 02:28:21,890
I just wanted to comment, I don't have any information that I need here.

1658
02:28:21,890 --> 02:28:34,750
really did appreciate the amount of research in detail in the East Side Tool Collective Proposal including the work that they had done to learn from and coordinate with existing tool libraries.

1659
02:28:34,930 --> 02:28:50,390
The fact that they're matching a lot of this will allow for economies of scale and both for how they coordinate a Kirkland tool library with these others or perhaps expand throughout the East Side.

1660
02:28:50,390 --> 02:28:58,550
So I was impressed and I believe that this draft implementation plan provides a level of detail.

1661
02:28:59,430 --> 02:29:00,750
I was looking forward. Thank you.

1662
02:29:01,750 --> 02:29:02,530
All right. Thank you.

1663
02:29:03,770 --> 02:29:06,830
Councillor Pascale, I had two next. Did you lower your hand?

1664
02:29:09,720 --> 02:29:11,160
Yes. That's a yes. Councillor interjecting.

1665
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:18,680
Yeah. I just want to say also just thank you to the team that initiated this initiative.

1666
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:25,320
I think, and for working so hard in trying to get a tool library into our community.

1667
02:29:25,880 --> 02:29:30,780
I think the ETC proposed actually had a lot of really good information and details.

1668
02:29:32,060 --> 02:29:36,020
And so I honestly don't think I need any more information.

1669
02:29:36,620 --> 02:29:41,240
I think the ETC proposal is sufficient to begin negotiations.

1670
02:29:42,840 --> 02:29:48,660
And I think negotiations at this stage will really provide and refine a lot of the details.

1671
02:29:48,660 --> 02:29:54,960
I identify risks and really ensure that the city interests are will be protected, including,

1672
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:59,980
because I just want to comment on this, the prior comment that was made about this.

1673
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:18,040
I think that those things will be evaluated. But yeah, I think at this point, just getting the negotiations started is the appropriate next step.

1674
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:20,920
All right. Thank you. Councillor Pascill.

1675
02:30:25,690 --> 02:30:30,250
Thank you, Mayor. Are we voting on anything tonight

1676
02:30:30,250 --> 02:30:36,570
then or are we just offering comments and direction? If Council wanted to decide between

1677
02:30:36,570 --> 02:30:42,210
track A or track B, we would request that that is done through motion. But others in that were

1678
02:30:42,210 --> 02:30:50,990
not requesting a vote. Okay. Well, sorry. Sorry. I do think you would want a motion authorizing

1679
02:30:50,990 --> 02:30:52,670
staff to proceed with negotiations,

1680
02:30:54,690 --> 02:30:56,690
whether or not you're choosing the options or not.

1681
02:30:58,530 --> 02:31:02,010
Sorry, City Manager, you're easy to handle. I'll try to do that next time.

1682
02:31:04,590 --> 02:31:08,950
So, Councillor Pascale, we will be deciding whether to move forward with negotiations.

1683
02:31:10,430 --> 02:31:15,390
Yeah, so I'll just say my comments for the discussion on that. You know, once we have a motion there.

1684
02:31:16,430 --> 02:31:19,250
Okay. All right. City manager go ahead.

1685
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:26,130
Yeah, I just I guess it's just want to follow up with that to say that and the intent is to bring a final deal back for council review.

1686
02:31:26,870 --> 02:31:30,670
So permission to proceed today is not still saying yes to the final.

1687
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:33,820
Yeah, thank you for that clarification.

1688
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:40,840
And any more comments on information needed for the draft implementation plan. Councilor Feltcome.

1689
02:31:43,850 --> 02:31:47,530
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I was just raising my hand because I was ready to move on to the next question.

1690
02:31:47,530 --> 02:31:54,970
figure. It looks like everybody else is, so go ahead. Great, thank you. Well, first, I agree

1691
02:31:54,970 --> 02:32:00,950
with my council colleagues comments. Thank you to staff that have been working on this, to

1692
02:32:00,950 --> 02:32:07,470
community members who have expressed just so much interest in this project, and also to the

1693
02:32:07,470 --> 02:32:11,730
East Side tool collective. I know it took a lot of work, and I also agree in response to the first

1694
02:32:11,730 --> 02:32:15,650
question that there was a lot of really detailed information you can tell they did their homework,

1695
02:32:15,650 --> 02:32:24,350
And obviously we'll make sure as a city that we do our due diligence to make sure every T is crossed and I dotted to make sure that this is a successful facility.

1696
02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:37,650
You know, reading the memo, it was really clear to me that between track A and B, track A seems to be the clear choice to proceed with because it's

1697
02:32:37,650 --> 02:32:45,230
It results in a better facility, a better quality facility for the community, and it's less initial set up cost, right?

1698
02:32:45,570 --> 02:32:52,190
And so to me that seems a clear option. And so I'm ready to make a motion whenever you're ready,

1699
02:32:52,290 --> 02:32:57,230
met a mayor, but also happy to wait if you want more discussion before motion's on the table.

1700
02:33:03,020 --> 02:33:12,580
Yeah just discussion on this particular item. I really appreciate the description in the

1701
02:33:12,580 --> 02:33:19,580
implementation plan of the advantages of using the five station. This is a facility right now currently

1702
02:33:19,580 --> 02:33:30,900
that's simply being used for storage and I support examining whether it could be used on a temporary

1703
02:33:30,900 --> 02:33:32,540
basis for the tool library.

1704
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:42,760
But want more staff input on the impacts of that and information

1705
02:33:42,760 --> 02:33:51,060
on how long that temporary could be given the city's medium and long-term plans for this particular

1706
02:33:51,060 --> 02:33:57,640
building. So, you know, I'd like to see the value in keeping both tracks in consideration,

1707
02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:09,920
but unless staff comes up with more additional information that says there is

1708
02:34:11,880 --> 02:34:19,040
better use or an immediate need for Fire Station 27. I really like the idea of using that

1709
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:25,060
on a temporary basis in the next couple years. Thank you.

1710
02:34:25,060 --> 02:34:29,220
Thank you. Deputy Mayor, before I call on you, I'm going to let City Manager respond.

1711
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:30,500
Good evening.

1712
02:34:32,710 --> 02:34:38,170
So the only I want to add is part of the reason that staff, particularly me, is to

1713
02:34:38,170 --> 02:34:41,090
and then you're recommending keeping both tracks going as,

1714
02:34:41,090 --> 02:34:43,430
as Onrona mentioned, we haven't done a ton of due diligence.

1715
02:34:43,630 --> 02:34:45,690
There is capacity in Station 27,

1716
02:34:46,070 --> 02:34:48,910
and there is some exciting opportunities to call it okay.

1717
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:51,590
But we haven't explored, for example,

1718
02:34:51,830 --> 02:34:54,470
and I'll just pick up two examples that may not be the case.

1719
02:34:55,290 --> 02:34:58,050
If the city had a condition that the East Side took

1720
02:34:58,050 --> 02:34:59,970
collective, that was tourist.

1721
02:35:00,920 --> 02:35:09,560
We might want to make sure we have the opportunity to look at it in other options. So, for example, they said, we need a minimum five-year commitment for the station, which they have said.

1722
02:35:10,040 --> 02:35:22,120
And we said, sorry, we can only give you a two-year commitment. We just want us to ability to say, if this isn't the right place or something new developed, I mean, to give you 30-day status to get out and they were to say, that's not sufficient notice.

1723
02:35:22,120 --> 02:35:27,740
We haven't had a chance to really sit down and explore all those issues yet, and so it is highly likely

1724
02:35:27,740 --> 02:35:31,100
or we should have driven on session 27, but there's certainly some possibilities I should envision

1725
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:37,020
where there are expectations for the same site and our expectations may not quite align and we might want to

1726
02:35:37,020 --> 02:35:39,260
have now that we've been exploring others at the same time.

1727
02:35:39,400 --> 02:35:42,880
So that's the only reason staff is proposed to have the two tracks.

1728
02:35:48,470 --> 02:35:49,530
Captain Emear.

1729
02:35:52,850 --> 02:35:53,430
Well, thank Mayor.

1730
02:35:54,370 --> 02:35:59,530
I'm not going to add anything to what see manager just said, but I do want to plus one.

1731
02:36:00,710 --> 02:36:13,490
council member Arnold that I think track me might be the right direction to go, but before I make that final decision, I definitely want as much information I possibly can from staff.

1732
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:20,130
So, and it sounds like city managers prepared to provide us as part of next steps and negotiation.

1733
02:36:20,830 --> 02:36:27,470
There is one more bullet point, which is, is there anything else to Council will want to see in the agreement.

1734
02:36:27,750 --> 02:36:35,930
It's not so much what I want to see in the agreement, but, you know, I did want to, I assume that as part of any,

1735
02:36:37,870 --> 02:36:45,850
just proceeding to the next step and further negotiations, you know, staff is going to be looking at proof of incorporation,

1736
02:36:45,850 --> 02:36:56,530
group of structure and ownership and 501C3 status, insurance, certificate of insurance,

1737
02:36:56,830 --> 02:36:58,430
naming Kirkland as additional.

1738
02:36:58,590 --> 02:37:03,950
Sure, all of those things are I assume, and I guess this is the question for staff,

1739
02:37:04,290 --> 02:37:09,810
I assume, are part of this next step, part of these discussions, this negotiation, and

1740
02:37:09,810 --> 02:37:14,290
before there's a final agreement, all of these boxes will be, will be checked.

1741
02:37:14,450 --> 02:37:15,010
Is that fair?

1742
02:37:15,010 --> 02:37:17,930
that is absolutely correct, Deputy Mayor.

1743
02:37:19,610 --> 02:37:19,790
Great.

1744
02:37:20,970 --> 02:37:22,470
I don't have anything else to add.

1745
02:37:22,730 --> 02:37:23,450
Thank you.

1746
02:37:24,410 --> 02:37:24,930
Thank you.

1747
02:37:25,050 --> 02:37:27,890
I'm going to go back to Council Member Felco.

1748
02:37:28,930 --> 02:37:30,210
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1749
02:37:31,170 --> 02:37:32,450
I have a question for the City Manager

1750
02:37:32,450 --> 02:37:33,830
just about next steps.

1751
02:37:35,090 --> 02:37:36,530
So obviously I think we're hearing

1752
02:37:36,530 --> 02:37:39,070
the strong preferences for track A

1753
02:37:39,070 --> 02:37:41,450
and track B kind of as a last resort

1754
02:37:41,450 --> 02:37:42,990
if nothing else can work out.

1755
02:37:42,990 --> 02:37:47,610
So my question is, um, what are the plan next steps?

1756
02:37:47,630 --> 02:37:52,330
If we have, if we approve adopted emotion tonight to ask staff to go back with both options

1757
02:37:52,330 --> 02:37:56,910
still on the table, are you then coming back to check in to say this is more information on

1758
02:37:56,910 --> 02:38:02,230
the two options, and which ones you want to pick, and then we make another motion to say bring

1759
02:38:02,230 --> 02:38:08,350
us back, final, and a final agreement with one of those because I assume the final agreement

1760
02:38:08,350 --> 02:38:16,390
We'll take some work after we give you directional, which option, right, and so how much more work does that create?

1761
02:38:16,470 --> 02:38:24,450
Because it was initially my understanding that our motion tonight was going to be to direct you to negotiate in order to bring us back

1762
02:38:24,450 --> 02:38:31,850
final, a final agreement, but it sounds like that may not be the case, might be another check-in.

1763
02:38:32,850 --> 02:38:40,910
Well, it took me so my intent would be to spend the time to figure out a proposal and partnership with ETC and bring that back for your approval.

1764
02:38:42,010 --> 02:38:47,810
So, here in the council's preference, we start with sitting down together at the fire station, logistics center.

1765
02:38:48,770 --> 02:38:54,670
What are you hoping to do? How are you hoping to do it for how long? How does all this work and the city staff assessing?

1766
02:38:55,450 --> 02:38:58,530
Not just their proposal, but what are our needs? So I could just give an example.

1767
02:38:58,530 --> 02:39:04,190
if if for these ages and half the fire station there's a big event how do we ensure that

1768
02:39:04,190 --> 02:39:09,830
not for the public goes into the fire station side of things right so do we need

1769
02:39:09,830 --> 02:39:14,270
initial investments like dates or things like that so there's just a lot of details

1770
02:39:14,270 --> 02:39:19,050
that need to be worked out in the course of that discussion it's possible to run into some

1771
02:39:19,050 --> 02:39:23,770
things that we can't work out together I doubt it but it's it's possible and only if they said

1772
02:39:23,770 --> 02:39:24,750
And this isn't enough.

1773
02:39:24,830 --> 02:39:25,770
It can't work out for us.

1774
02:39:26,770 --> 02:39:30,010
And we conclude ourselves that they've asked for, we just can't give.

1775
02:39:30,270 --> 02:39:33,350
Would we probably start looking at the other option, but we probably have a couple ideas

1776
02:39:33,350 --> 02:39:34,190
of mine as we go.

1777
02:39:34,390 --> 02:39:38,910
But the intent would be to say, in partnership with ETC, would come to a one option.

1778
02:39:39,310 --> 02:39:41,390
That's agreed to for Council review it.

1779
02:39:42,390 --> 02:39:42,830
So.

1780
02:39:42,830 --> 02:39:43,070
I'm sorry.

1781
02:39:43,610 --> 02:39:47,510
I guess my follow question related to that is

1782
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:53,150
at what point is it accounts over to staff

1783
02:39:53,150 --> 02:39:56,730
decision to pivot to option B if we give you authority to go to vote, right?

1784
02:39:56,730 --> 02:39:59,970
because I can imagine there could be a situation where...

1785
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:08,260
You know, you may think that it's not feasible to move forward with track A, but council may want to say, well, we do want to concede on that thing and we do want to make it happen.

1786
02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:17,960
I guess that's my question, is how will we navigate that? Is it that if we move forward with track A, you don't need another track end point?

1787
02:40:18,420 --> 02:40:29,580
But if you think that you need to go with track B, then you come back to council for authorization for track B, I just feel like it's a big step to say, you know,

1788
02:40:29,580 --> 02:40:30,980
do whichever one you want, right?

1789
02:40:30,980 --> 02:40:32,600
And then I would hate for you to come back

1790
02:40:32,600 --> 02:40:35,420
with track B and I say, well, actually, you know,

1791
02:40:36,660 --> 02:40:37,980
we want you to push harder, we're,

1792
02:40:37,980 --> 02:40:38,260
we're, okay.

1793
02:40:39,640 --> 02:40:41,620
Uh, I mean, thank you, Gelsarbe, good.

1794
02:40:41,860 --> 02:40:42,660
I, I hear you.

1795
02:40:42,660 --> 02:40:44,000
So no, the goal,

1796
02:40:46,700 --> 02:40:48,520
the goal is not for staff to decide.

1797
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:50,200
The goal is we've been given direction

1798
02:40:50,200 --> 02:40:51,720
and that the preference has been expressed

1799
02:40:51,720 --> 02:40:53,780
in the go see if we could work so far.

1800
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:55,200
I guess what I would say is,

1801
02:40:55,360 --> 02:40:57,080
if I felt like I had a place where there was

1802
02:40:57,080 --> 02:40:59,080
several phenol flaws or something to counsel me

1803
02:40:59,080 --> 02:41:01,280
where I've, before there was the pivot,

1804
02:41:01,280 --> 02:41:04,180
I would come back and say, hey, here are the two things that you've reached.

1805
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:06,020
I wanted my time.

1806
02:41:06,080 --> 02:41:09,220
I've been a little bit of doing dealing just about what the alternatives might be, you know,

1807
02:41:09,260 --> 02:41:13,880
it could be here or it could be here, so that if you have that information and you are

1808
02:41:13,880 --> 02:41:16,880
getting to save information about the fatal flaw, you know, at least know what the alternative

1809
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:17,960
might be.

1810
02:41:18,360 --> 02:41:23,540
But no, the goal isn't that we would just say, hey, tomorrow high, Citibandra have decided

1811
02:41:23,540 --> 02:41:26,460
to track the, and that's what we're going to talk about, right?

1812
02:41:26,460 --> 02:41:31,460
But as I said, because we're trying to really respect the council's direction that you

1813
02:41:31,460 --> 02:41:35,960
have not made a decision go ahead and you haven't made a decision to use the fire station

1814
02:41:35,960 --> 02:41:40,960
logistics center, we just haven't done all the due diligence we need to make sure it works.

1815
02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:46,480
And in partnership with the Central Collective, so we just need some time to work through that.

1816
02:41:46,700 --> 02:41:48,920
But I think we'd come back, if we said, here's two hurdles.

1817
02:41:49,860 --> 02:41:51,540
Do you want us to jump them or not?

1818
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:53,920
And here's the pros of cons of it.

1819
02:41:53,920 --> 02:41:57,600
You know, we would definitely do that for a gave you a final decision.

1820
02:41:58,900 --> 02:42:03,200
We will be yours, no matter what, because you'll get the final agreement for your people.

1821
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:08,300
Thank you.

1822
02:42:08,500 --> 02:42:08,900
Are you done?

1823
02:42:09,580 --> 02:42:12,740
The city manager, so would it help you to follow up on Councillor Falkham?

1824
02:42:12,840 --> 02:42:17,280
Would it help you if we were clear on what our preference is?

1825
02:42:18,060 --> 02:42:18,200
Okay.

1826
02:42:19,300 --> 02:42:19,900
Thank you.

1827
02:42:20,100 --> 02:42:20,740
Councillor Falkham.

1828
02:42:21,700 --> 02:42:21,820
Okay.

1829
02:42:22,300 --> 02:42:25,720
And I think I can answer that question correctly now.

1830
02:42:25,720 --> 02:42:29,920
So I do support keeping both options on the table,

1831
02:42:30,320 --> 02:42:31,780
but definitely prefer track A.

1832
02:42:32,060 --> 02:42:34,200
I think it's just a cleaner, cleaner look,

1833
02:42:34,680 --> 02:42:38,880
easier access points, and I think overall it just

1834
02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:39,880
seems more straightforward.

1835
02:42:40,860 --> 02:42:44,160
So I definitely would prefer track A, but definitely

1836
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:47,540
open to both depending on where the negotiations

1837
02:42:47,540 --> 02:42:48,100
land.

1838
02:42:48,900 --> 02:42:50,780
And then the last question of just what

1839
02:42:50,780 --> 02:42:53,940
the final agreement, just things that we would want

1840
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:55,240
in the agreement.

1841
02:42:55,240 --> 02:42:58,940
I would say just queer performance expectations,

1842
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:03,000
a payment schedule also based on milestones.

1843
02:43:03,940 --> 02:43:09,260
So I don't think the intent is that we would be sending a $100,000 check.

1844
02:43:09,640 --> 02:43:13,840
It would be based off of certain milestones over a period of time.

1845
02:43:14,420 --> 02:43:19,900
And then just financial responsibilities and then defined exit

1846
02:43:19,900 --> 02:43:24,160
or modification for provisions, if the program for some reason,

1847
02:43:24,160 --> 02:43:28,460
does not achieve like that. It comes that that we want.

1848
02:43:32,560 --> 02:43:35,640
Thank you. Councilor Pascal, we are going to

1849
02:43:35,640 --> 02:43:38,680
to an initiation. So did you have some things you wanted to share?

1850
02:43:42,660 --> 02:43:46,560
Sure. I mean, I have a

1851
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:53,620
roll comments on. Wait a minute. Waiting for the motion. Okay. Councilor Premier,

1852
02:43:53,860 --> 02:43:58,940
how do you handle still that? Okay. Councilor Matimchins, did you have something you want to say?

1853
02:43:58,940 --> 02:44:01,700
Is somebody making a motion?

1854
02:44:02,660 --> 02:44:05,440
I'll go back to Councilmember Felcon for the motion.

1855
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:08,600
Thank you, Madam Mayor, and bear with me.

1856
02:44:08,760 --> 02:44:11,640
I'm trying to modify language on the fly to wait.

1857
02:44:11,740 --> 02:44:16,740
Before we get to a motion, I had a quick comment,

1858
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:19,660
responding to Councilmember Prims comments.

1859
02:44:20,320 --> 02:44:21,080
Go ahead, Councilmember.

1860
02:44:21,700 --> 02:44:22,240
Okay.

1861
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:32,460
Council Member, Prime Minister asked about whether the city's contribution is delivered as a lump sum or some form of progress payments.

1862
02:44:34,960 --> 02:44:44,400
And that's something I would like some more information about versus given direction for one direction or not.

1863
02:44:44,400 --> 02:44:54,160
We've had some previous experience in seedings and nonprofits like the Kirkland Community Foundation and more recently,

1864
02:44:54,860 --> 02:44:59,800
East Trail partners, where Kirkland and other East Trail members made.

1865
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,840
So we have to start that organization. Both organizations have been successfully launched and are now self-sufficient and provide more value than the initial investment as we had hoped.

1866
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:24,960
And so I think we have a successful model. I'll just curious, how have handled that model in the past and whether it's just been okay. Here's your initial seed money and your reporting obligations.

1867
02:45:28,910 --> 02:45:30,230
Go ahead, see you, Major.

1868
02:45:31,970 --> 02:45:34,230
Yeah, it really depends on each case.

1869
02:45:34,690 --> 02:45:36,630
In every case there has to be an agreement.

1870
02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:39,850
Right, illegal agreement that shows the public benefit

1871
02:45:39,850 --> 02:45:42,550
to cities receiving for the money that's provided.

1872
02:45:43,770 --> 02:45:46,650
And so cases like you've mentioned, for example,

1873
02:45:47,850 --> 02:45:50,610
with the creative foundation, the agreement had to pay it

1874
02:45:50,610 --> 02:45:53,050
out over a three-year period and an expectation

1875
02:45:53,050 --> 02:45:54,830
that other fundraising occurred.

1876
02:45:55,850 --> 02:45:57,610
Another example is we've given things directly

1877
02:45:57,610 --> 02:45:59,010
to like the East Trail.

1878
02:45:59,910 --> 02:46:02,690
It really depends on what we sit down and negotiate.

1879
02:46:03,410 --> 02:46:07,930
So I think the staff's initial intent was not just to say,

1880
02:46:07,930 --> 02:46:10,150
here is a front, but to have an agreement

1881
02:46:10,150 --> 02:46:11,770
that set out milestones reporting,

1882
02:46:12,270 --> 02:46:14,490
but we also haven't sketched that out yet.

1883
02:46:14,990 --> 02:46:17,430
So council feedback on that would be very helpful

1884
02:46:17,430 --> 02:46:19,590
if there's things you prefer, things you don't prefer.

1885
02:46:20,250 --> 02:46:22,430
But typically we would just give it all up front

1886
02:46:22,430 --> 02:46:23,610
in one lump sum.

1887
02:46:25,530 --> 02:46:27,250
Without a specific set of outcomes

1888
02:46:30,890 --> 02:46:38,010
Thank you, City Manager. I think that addresses my objections and would support whatever comes

1889
02:46:38,010 --> 02:46:44,870
forward through negotiations in the agreement with what you see as fit for protecting the city.

1890
02:46:45,590 --> 02:46:53,250
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Council Member Falcon. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1891
02:46:53,870 --> 02:46:58,670
I'm going to authorize staff to proceed with negotiations based on the tool library

1892
02:46:58,670 --> 02:47:04,970
implementation plan and to return to Council with either a proposed contract for consideration

1893
02:47:04,970 --> 02:47:13,890
of track A or a check-in with Council to consider proceeding with track B if track A seems

1894
02:47:14,590 --> 02:47:15,230
infusible.

1895
02:47:15,670 --> 02:47:15,690
Second.

1896
02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:21,240
Thank you and good job pulling that together.

1897
02:47:22,720 --> 02:47:24,360
It's the measure of greed.

1898
02:47:24,660 --> 02:47:29,300
It's been moved by Councillor Feltcone, I'm not going to repeat that second by Councillor

1899
02:47:29,300 --> 02:47:32,020
and reprim accounts for your past goal?

1900
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:42,920
Yeah, I have some thoughts on the discussion that we've had so far,

1901
02:47:43,180 --> 02:47:44,860
and I want to speak to this motion.

1902
02:47:45,560 --> 02:47:48,160
But first, I just wanted to thank staff

1903
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:50,200
for all the work you put into this.

1904
02:47:50,740 --> 02:47:53,660
And I want to start by also emphasizing that.

1905
02:47:53,660 --> 02:47:56,600
I do think a tool library does seem like a good idea.

1906
02:47:57,320 --> 02:48:00,800
But the concerns I want to talk about regarding this concept

1907
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:03,840
really are how the city's role in it.

1908
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:06,660
And so the first thing is, I honestly don't,

1909
02:48:06,740 --> 02:48:09,880
wasn't convinced that it was a financially sustainable proposal.

1910
02:48:10,760 --> 02:48:14,340
We only received one proposal and it's financial plan

1911
02:48:14,340 --> 02:48:18,340
relies heavily on a variety of unsubstantiated assumptions.

1912
02:48:18,980 --> 02:48:21,860
I don't see evidence that outside funding has been secured.

1913
02:48:22,800 --> 02:48:24,660
And before investing taxpayer dollars,

1914
02:48:24,840 --> 02:48:28,340
I really do think we need greater confidence in this organization

1915
02:48:28,340 --> 02:48:32,880
that this organization can succeed and has secured financial backing

1916
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:35,400
and support already from other community organizations.

1917
02:48:36,380 --> 02:48:41,180
And I see this because it's my understanding that the short line to the library was funded

1918
02:48:41,180 --> 02:48:45,840
by the Washington Department of Ecology, King County Solid Ways, and the cities of

1919
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:48,620
Shoreline and Lake Forest Park for entities.

1920
02:48:49,080 --> 02:48:54,720
Here we have one city alone offering $100,000 with no other committed financial backing.

1921
02:48:55,380 --> 02:48:59,900
And so I think to limit our risk, we really should require additional financial backing

1922
02:48:59,900 --> 02:49:03,320
for partner organization, so our money is matched against other money.

1923
02:49:04,080 --> 02:49:09,360
Second, I still have a lot of concerns about the city's long-term commitment.

1924
02:49:09,620 --> 02:49:16,360
I know that there's language in there about not needing more money, but that RFP intentionally

1925
02:49:16,360 --> 02:49:22,200
favored proposals that did not rely upon city property, get the preferred option and

1926
02:49:22,200 --> 02:49:26,100
our discussion here so far, still focuses on the fire logistics building.

1927
02:49:26,100 --> 02:49:33,220
I think that this is going to create additional public subsidy that's not reflected on going costs.

1928
02:49:33,540 --> 02:49:39,940
It's going to raise questions about city space needs, liability, maintenance and other ongoing resources.

1929
02:49:40,940 --> 02:49:51,560
And then finally, one subject that hasn't been talked about that I've heard and that I feel is I really have concerns about whether this process has been above reproach.

1930
02:49:51,560 --> 02:49:59,120
when public funds are involved, decisions really have to be fair, but they also must be perceived as fair.

1931
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:14,060
The former council member participated in a bunch of decisions that funded this program, including a vote, to approve tax fair dollars in last December, and is today the primary contact on the only proposal we received.

1932
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:24,560
I think that puts us the entire council and staff in a difficult position. These relationships require an even higher level of transparency and scrutiny, I believe.

1933
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:29,540
It also raises a question whether we need to be looking at our code of ethics and whether

1934
02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:34,380
that should be updated to designated waiting period after someone leaves office before they

1935
02:50:34,380 --> 02:50:38,540
can lobby councilor staff on behalf of a client organization.

1936
02:50:39,280 --> 02:50:44,340
I believe this situation does raise some ethical concerns with the public and it makes me

1937
02:50:44,340 --> 02:50:45,800
as a council member very uncomfortable.

1938
02:50:46,820 --> 02:50:53,580
But I know I'm in the minority on this that others majority is going to agree on any of what

1939
02:50:53,580 --> 02:51:02,860
said, but I would request the following one that we require additional committed financial backing

1940
02:51:02,860 --> 02:51:10,820
to show that this is a real proposal. I'm not in support of track A, but if that was

1941
02:51:10,820 --> 02:51:23,560
for or before that was for it, I'd like to understand and do a full review of our space

1942
02:51:25,900 --> 02:51:31,360
I don't, I don't understand, it sounds like the site tool collective is not a legal entity and

1943
02:51:31,360 --> 02:51:33,840
is going to be sponsored by the South came tool library.

1944
02:51:34,580 --> 02:51:37,680
So is that a legal arrangement, is that going to work for us?

1945
02:51:38,340 --> 02:51:43,500
And is that other entity in good standing with the IRS, or is there other issues there?

1946
02:51:43,540 --> 02:51:46,160
I think we need to look into that and make sure.

1947
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:52,020
And then finally, at some point, not now, but later, we do need to look into our ethics

1948
02:51:52,020 --> 02:51:58,900
about situations of departed council members. We have a strong ethics code about existing and

1949
02:51:58,900 --> 02:52:04,140
sitting council members, but we also need to think about one council member's leave office.

1950
02:52:04,780 --> 02:52:07,700
Many other organizations have that actually at our cities and counties.

1951
02:52:09,800 --> 02:52:14,900
So those are the things that are on my mind right now with this proposal. Thank you.

1952
02:52:15,040 --> 02:52:15,940
Thank you.

1953
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:19,500
Anyone else?

1954
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:25,120
Definitely.

1955
02:52:27,970 --> 02:52:29,390
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1956
02:52:30,210 --> 02:52:33,410
I want to speak up on just two things.

1957
02:52:33,410 --> 02:52:36,030
One, I realized I missedpoke earlier.

1958
02:52:36,910 --> 02:52:38,590
I think my comments were clear.

1959
02:52:39,710 --> 02:52:44,590
I met Track A and I met that my comments were,

1960
02:52:44,590 --> 02:52:58,670
you know, I do want to make sure that as we evaluate Track A is perhaps the primary track that we do get as much information as we possibly can from staff about what that will mean.

1961
02:52:58,670 --> 02:53:03,830
I don't think a full review of our space needs is realistic.

1962
02:53:06,070 --> 02:53:12,570
That would delay implementation for a very long time to do a full strategic plan on all

1963
02:53:12,570 --> 02:53:17,670
the city space needs, but I think we're, I think, staff is hearing that we all want

1964
02:53:17,670 --> 02:53:26,790
to make sure we understand what the impacts are of track A and use of station 27 on at

1965
02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:36,630
start near term space allocation. My last comment is I'll look to city manager city attorney,

1966
02:53:38,010 --> 02:53:43,110
but I fully expect that any negotiated agreement we're going to have reps and warranties,

1967
02:53:43,230 --> 02:53:48,870
we're going to have financial covenants. We're going to have all the sort of standard

1968
02:53:49,630 --> 02:53:55,610
clauses and protective clauses that are going to ensure that the organization is incorporated

1969
02:53:55,610 --> 02:54:04,230
that it has the financial backing, his represented that it will have, so I look to, I look

1970
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:10,690
to staff to do that diligently and proficiently in the next stage, and I'll be curious to see

1971
02:54:10,690 --> 02:54:16,470
what that looks like when it comes back, but I think you've heard that we want those protections,

1972
02:54:16,790 --> 02:54:24,330
but I also know that that's the kind of thing that staff would be doing as a matter of its professional

1973
02:54:24,330 --> 02:54:33,710
proficiency. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Arnold. Thank you, Mayor.

1974
02:54:35,810 --> 02:54:36,050
First

1975
02:54:37,050 --> 02:54:43,850
want to respond to one of the points that Councilor Pascill brought up. The whole process

1976
02:54:43,850 --> 02:54:51,350
of starting a new 501C3 is fairly common. I was involved in this with another organization

1977
02:54:51,350 --> 02:54:57,290
where there is an existing 501c3 that provides the fiscal sponsorship.

1978
02:54:57,630 --> 02:54:59,970
And what that allows is for...

1979
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:11,840
Tax deductible contributions to go to the new organization, as it gets set up with its own approved 501C3 status.

1980
02:55:12,500 --> 02:55:21,720
It is in the East Side Tool Collective's interest in ensuring that their fiscal sponsor is in good standing,

1981
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:27,560
because that allows them to do fundraising that's tax deductible.

1982
02:55:27,560 --> 02:55:33,320
So I'm confident that whatever questions that came up during public comment at our meeting

1983
02:55:33,320 --> 02:55:34,560
tonight can be addressed.

1984
02:55:35,640 --> 02:55:44,420
Secondly, to wrap up, I did conversations with Council last week at O.O.

1985
02:55:44,420 --> 02:55:45,200
Denny Park.

1986
02:55:46,520 --> 02:55:53,520
And while the proposal from east side to a library includes some people that have been

1987
02:55:53,520 --> 02:56:02,100
involved in community and former council member suites in that have been passionate about this

1988
02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:08,880
and wanting to put this together. I also had three people come and want to talk in support

1989
02:56:08,880 --> 02:56:15,340
of the tool library with me during conversations with council that were the people that that

1990
02:56:15,340 --> 02:56:23,340
programs target that these were people that we hadn't seen before that people that I had just

1991
02:56:23,340 --> 02:56:26,600
met for the first time that we're excited about the opportunity.

1992
02:56:27,620 --> 02:56:31,260
And so I think there is support for this

1993
02:56:31,260 --> 02:56:32,520
and I'm excited to move forward.

1994
02:56:32,880 --> 02:56:33,880
Thank you.

1995
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:36,470
Thank you.

1996
02:56:36,530 --> 02:56:37,330
Councillor and Tunches.

1997
02:56:37,890 --> 02:56:39,970
Thank you.

1998
02:56:40,610 --> 02:56:42,570
Um, you know, evaluating this proposal,

1999
02:56:42,890 --> 02:56:44,810
I looked at three factors.

2000
02:56:45,830 --> 02:56:47,270
One was community support.

2001
02:56:47,490 --> 02:56:49,790
The second was financial sustainability

2002
02:56:49,790 --> 02:56:51,930
and third was the process.

2003
02:56:53,670 --> 02:56:59,050
I was told months ago that neighborhood organizations and the Kirkland Association of Neighborhoods

2004
02:57:00,150 --> 02:57:05,630
were going to be supportive of this and offer letters of support.

2005
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:09,190
I haven't seen that materialized.

2006
02:57:10,830 --> 02:57:16,550
On May 5th, I also received an email from the chair of the Kirkland Community Foundation.

2007
02:57:17,290 --> 02:57:27,310
That email was in his official capacity and represented that in his official capacity that there was support for the tool library.

2008
02:57:28,030 --> 02:57:33,170
The subject of that may fit the email was statement in support of tool library and Kirkland.

2009
02:57:35,070 --> 02:57:41,810
That led me to believe three months ago that the Kirkland Community Foundation was deeply involved in this, that they supported it,

2010
02:57:41,810 --> 02:57:46,730
and that there would be community support and likely financial support coming from the community

2011
02:57:46,730 --> 02:57:47,330
foundation.

2012
02:57:49,490 --> 02:57:52,850
Yesterday I clarified this with the Executive Director of the Kirkland Community

2013
02:57:52,850 --> 02:58:00,070
Foundation and she clarified that the Kirkland Community Foundation has no formal position on the

2014
02:58:00,070 --> 02:58:06,150
tool library. They have pledged zero dollars and they have contributed the zero dollars to this

2015
02:58:06,150 --> 02:58:06,750
library.

2016
02:58:09,690 --> 02:58:15,450
I also looked at the financial sustainability of this model. And I've noted that

2017
02:58:15,450 --> 02:58:20,390
they have not yet raised any money, they have not yet sold any memberships, and they do not

2018
02:58:20,390 --> 02:58:27,290
yet have any money in the bank, as far as I know. Their business plan includes $42,000 out of

2019
02:58:27,290 --> 02:58:34,530
our $100,000, which would potentially be spent on the salary of an executive director of a

2020
02:58:34,530 --> 02:58:35,170
library.

2021
02:58:37,400 --> 02:58:43,140
I believe that when they, we started this, this was generally going to be a community

2022
02:58:43,140 --> 02:58:51,360
driven by volunteers and not that we were needing to spend almost half of the money contributed

2023
02:58:52,400 --> 02:58:54,880
on the salary of an employee.

2024
02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:03,040
I don't think $100,000 will be the end of this. I think we will get

2025
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:08,860
a lifetime subscription of supporting this tool library because I haven't seen any evidence

2026
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:11,620
that they have financial support.

2027
02:59:13,940 --> 02:59:16,620
I also looked at the process by which we followed.

2028
02:59:18,380 --> 02:59:20,100
We have one RFP response

2029
02:59:21,080 --> 02:59:22,560
and no others.

2030
02:59:25,210 --> 02:59:29,750
Council member Pasco's concerns about the ethical implications of this

2031
02:59:30,350 --> 02:59:36,090
and the perception that the community will have are directly on point

2032
02:59:36,430 --> 02:59:38,310
and right on target.

2033
02:59:40,540 --> 02:59:45,060
I have serious concerns about moving forward with this. I think that the

2034
02:59:45,060 --> 02:59:51,860
idea of a tool library is a good one and I appreciate staff to work on this. But this is not

2035
02:59:51,860 --> 02:59:57,240
currently investable. It's not currently ready for an infusion of capital. I support either

2036
02:59:57,240 --> 02:59:58,160
terminating.

2037
03:00:01,650 --> 03:00:12,590
This project, or I support moving forward with additional work to get additional RFP, it's proposals.

2038
03:00:13,450 --> 03:00:25,390
We should be able to select from three, five, or more RFP proposals from a broad selection of organizations that are qualified to do this.

2039
03:00:25,390 --> 03:00:33,950
The appearance of one RFP proposal does not, in my opinion, look proper.

2040
03:00:34,870 --> 03:00:41,890
I'd like to see more RFP proposals if we're serious about this, and I will be voting now on this motion.

2041
03:00:41,890 --> 03:01:10,170
And the tool library, and as a concept, is one, which I think is worth pursuing, but with one proposal, I think the best option right now is to move forward with soliciting other proposals from other organizations so that we have several qualified organizations to evaluate.

2042
03:01:10,170 --> 03:01:11,730
Thank you.

2043
03:01:13,780 --> 03:01:15,640
Thank you, Governor.

2044
03:01:18,760 --> 03:01:22,520
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I just wanted to speak up one more time

2045
03:01:22,520 --> 03:01:28,220
as for the motion and address some of the comments from my colleagues. I appreciate this conversation.

2046
03:01:30,060 --> 03:01:38,160
You know, I do want to note that if you are planning to form a 501c3 corporation is not going to become a

2047
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:43,800
surprise that you are not going to raise money until you have your 501c3 status and those contributions

2048
03:01:43,800 --> 03:01:55,400
are indeed tax deductible. I'm not overly concerned about funding a position within a position

2049
03:01:55,400 --> 03:02:03,340
within a project like this. We did that with the community foundation. We supported the executive

2050
03:02:03,340 --> 03:02:09,520
director, salary. So we've done this kind of support in the past with organizations including

2051
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:17,120
earmarked to support individual staff. And we don't always have the benefit of multiple RFPs

2052
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:23,180
with East Trail with the community foundation. They were the organizations that

2053
03:02:24,060 --> 03:02:29,320
had stepped forward to deliver on the goals and objectives that were going to deliver community

2054
03:02:29,320 --> 03:02:34,680
benefits and that was in the absence of any RFP. Sometimes you put out an RFP and you just

2055
03:02:34,680 --> 03:02:40,000
do in fact, I get the one response and then when that happens you evaluate that response

2056
03:02:40,560 --> 03:02:46,540
on its merits, which I think we're doing in this case, including directing the staff in many

2057
03:02:46,540 --> 03:02:52,940
ways to make sure that they are doing their, they're taking the diligent approach to these negotiations.

2058
03:02:53,660 --> 03:03:05,870
So I appreciate that and then I'm trying to think that there's any other points that I wanted to make, but I think that that covers it.

2059
03:03:06,110 --> 03:03:09,510
Obviously I will be supporting the motion to proceed with the next step.

2060
03:03:11,190 --> 03:03:12,490
Thank you. Councilor Prim.

2061
03:03:13,210 --> 03:03:13,290
Yeah.

2062
03:03:13,350 --> 03:03:17,430
She's had a very quick question for city manager or.

2063
03:03:17,430 --> 03:03:25,910
So in the agreement that we have, and I just want to address this whole financial

2064
03:03:25,910 --> 03:03:47,410
sustainability issue that Councilmember Pascal and Timchism have brought to light, is there

2065
03:03:47,410 --> 03:03:57,210
a arrangement within the agreement itself, so that we are only paying out funds when we know

2066
03:03:57,210 --> 03:04:03,550
or have some confidence that the entity will be financially viable or that we're getting

2067
03:04:03,550 --> 03:04:08,590
external support or that they are getting external support.

2068
03:04:11,720 --> 03:04:16,720
by the city of turn into. So, the turners, yes.

2069
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:20,640
I would say, I guess two things, two things that

2070
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:24,860
one is at least the way the council appropriated the money and the conversation was that the

2071
03:04:24,860 --> 03:04:30,980
intent of this money was to be startup money, right? So, it's not year three money, once they're

2072
03:04:30,980 --> 03:04:35,840
going. However, having said that, I think the intent of the staff is to say, you know, what is your

2073
03:04:35,840 --> 03:04:39,220
plan? How is the fundraising going and set milestones of reporting?

2074
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:43,900
And so I think it is our intent

2075
03:04:43,900 --> 03:04:49,780
to have an agreement that is helping insurers financially viable and still doing our due diligence

2076
03:04:49,780 --> 03:04:50,260
on that.

2077
03:04:50,320 --> 03:04:55,980
But I do think there's clearly an intent, at least, of the council that this is helping

2078
03:04:55,980 --> 03:04:56,680
in that, right?

2079
03:04:56,920 --> 03:04:59,960
And so it's a key starting point, whether that's for staff or whether it's-

2080
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:08,540
First, start a concert, who purchases and so forth. It's to help them go off the ground, but I think we would be looking very carefully at their next steps, particularly being stopped.

2081
03:05:08,860 --> 03:05:21,080
Council feedback, but also our own due diligence is now that, you know, we got to go ahead, which two days they hadn't been given, you know, what is your fundraising plan and how successful it's being. We have a few months to figure that out while we need to go change the agreement.

2082
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:29,000
So it'd be my intent to help report on that when we come back to you and say, the last three months since he last saw, this here's what's happened.

2083
03:05:29,000 --> 03:05:31,340
and here's how we feel good about it don't.

2084
03:05:32,480 --> 03:05:33,420
Okay, thank you.

2085
03:05:33,640 --> 03:05:35,660
We'll see you there.

2086
03:05:35,960 --> 03:05:37,680
Okay, anyone else?

2087
03:05:39,860 --> 03:05:41,920
I'm gonna take a shot at this.

2088
03:05:42,700 --> 03:05:47,500
I will be supporting the motion as Councilor Arnold was clear.

2089
03:05:48,280 --> 03:05:51,240
There is a lot of public enthusiasm for this

2090
03:05:51,240 --> 03:05:53,300
and we have been talking about it for years

2091
03:05:53,300 --> 03:05:55,440
and I think it'll serve the community well.

2092
03:05:55,840 --> 03:05:58,800
I am in support of I have a preference

2093
03:05:58,800 --> 03:06:01,000
for Fire Station 27.

2094
03:06:02,340 --> 03:06:16,040
I agree with Debbie Mayor that we do not want to slow down this project while we do a strategic plan for long-term use of our public buildings, but I do feel like we need a plan.

2095
03:06:16,380 --> 03:06:28,160
We have a number of buildings that we are bringing online and I would like to see how all that space is going to be used over the years and that's including the buildings that we're exploring for public works.

2096
03:06:29,140 --> 03:06:39,060
And I want, I need, I feel, I need to respond to the criticism of community leaders that have served our community for decades.

2097
03:06:40,820 --> 03:06:47,340
The, the allegation that there's an ethics violation, this money is not going into anyone's pockets.

2098
03:06:47,340 --> 03:06:56,140
These are people who have bent over backwards to serve our community and many, many capacities.

2099
03:06:57,060 --> 03:07:05,740
And I am grateful to them for championing this project, for taking their own personal time to put it together,

2100
03:07:06,240 --> 03:07:10,160
to rally the community, to get feedback from the community.

2101
03:07:10,160 --> 03:07:18,960
I think they've done a good job and I don't think it's fair to criticize them for it and make any sort of allegations.

2102
03:07:18,980 --> 03:07:22,940
Oh, you don't get the last word on this. If you want to retort, you don't get it.

2103
03:07:22,940 --> 03:07:25,640
Men were too good to get this. I don't want to get this.

2104
03:07:25,640 --> 03:07:27,240
And as fair to retort.

2105
03:07:27,460 --> 03:07:28,780
I'm going to remember Tim Tim.

2106
03:07:30,440 --> 03:07:34,420
I have waited and throughout the work last.

2107
03:07:34,660 --> 03:07:36,200
Council member Tim Cheson.

2108
03:07:37,780 --> 03:07:47,120
So, I have finished my remarks, and if Councilor Timch is an I.C. Councilmember Prim, would like to raise her hand. Thank you, Councilmember Prim.

2109
03:07:51,700 --> 03:07:59,100
Councilmember Prim, did you have your hand up? All right. Okay. The question is on the motion made by Councilmember Falcone.

2110
03:07:59,620 --> 03:08:04,180
Second by Councilmember Prim. Councilmember Falcone, will you do us the favor of repeating your motion?

2111
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:12,960
Would you like to repeat it?

2112
03:08:15,500 --> 03:08:17,520
Councillor Falkan, you're muted.

2113
03:08:20,520 --> 03:08:21,220
Thank you.

2114
03:08:21,500 --> 03:08:21,860
Thank you.

2115
03:08:22,120 --> 03:08:22,280
Yes.

2116
03:08:22,940 --> 03:08:23,760
City of China, that would be wonderful.

2117
03:08:24,080 --> 03:08:24,740
Thank you.

2118
03:08:24,980 --> 03:08:26,080
I'll repeat that for you.

2119
03:08:26,300 --> 03:08:31,040
I made a motion to authorize staff to proceed with negotiations based on the tool library

2120
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:36,020
implementation plan, and to return to Council either with a proposed contract for consideration

2121
03:08:36,660 --> 03:08:41,280
that uses track A or a check in with Council on track B if track A proves invisible.

2122
03:08:43,940 --> 03:08:44,580
All right.

2123
03:08:45,260 --> 03:08:49,660
Thank you City Attorney. All those of the favour please say aye.

2124
03:08:52,560 --> 03:08:54,140
All those opposed?

2125
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:56,580
No. No.

2126
03:08:59,250 --> 03:09:01,370
Motion carries 5-2.

2127
03:09:02,070 --> 03:09:04,690
Thank you everyone. It is now 9-17.

2128
03:09:05,030 --> 03:09:07,810
So we're going to take a break and we will be back at 9-30.

2129
03:22:09,710 --> 03:22:19,870
Sorry about that, because I can get log back in. So, all right. So, so this is our check in on affordable housing, on faith, on land,

2130
03:22:20,090 --> 03:22:27,930
but it is her council direction tonight before we go back to the planning commission. I've heard a walk it's your draft code proposal is.

2131
03:22:28,150 --> 03:22:30,330
Sounds like our Deputy Director of Planning and Building.

2132
03:22:31,130 --> 03:22:39,690
Thank you, City Manager, and good evening Mayor, Deputy Mayor, and Council members. We're here tonight to give you our second briefing to you on the Affordable House.

2133
03:22:39,690 --> 03:22:46,970
on faith-owned the land project. This is a task on the adopted 2026 to 2028 planning work program

2134
03:22:46,970 --> 03:22:52,250
and its intention is to implement state legislation that the city is required to comply with.

2135
03:22:52,510 --> 03:22:57,190
I have ten slides of information for you tonight. Before I jump in, I wanted to note that

2136
03:22:57,190 --> 03:23:02,150
our lead senior planner on this project is Scott Guter. Scott's not able to be here tonight,

2137
03:23:02,770 --> 03:23:06,610
so I will do my best to represent the good work that he has done on this project.

2138
03:23:07,530 --> 03:23:13,090
We last talked to you about this project back in May and at that time we asked you for

2139
03:23:13,090 --> 03:23:20,510
some scoping direction at that time Council told us to base any density bonuses given to

2140
03:23:20,510 --> 03:23:25,910
faith owned land that's providing affordable housing to base those bonuses on underlying

2141
03:23:25,910 --> 03:23:31,270
zone standards, where those faith based properties are located, you asked us to provide a

2142
03:23:31,270 --> 03:23:38,950
right, permission for those bonuses, plan commission, iterated on the Council direction and

2143
03:23:38,950 --> 03:23:46,150
emphasized that the codeman, which should add flexibility, but to keep the increases fairly modest,

2144
03:23:46,390 --> 03:23:49,090
particularly in low density zone areas.

2145
03:23:51,720 --> 03:23:54,860
Since we talked to you, staff has been out doing quite

2146
03:23:54,860 --> 03:24:01,700
a bit of outreach primarily with faith-based organizations and also with consortiums and organizations

2147
03:24:01,700 --> 03:24:07,540
that represent multiple stakeholders whether it be faith-based organizations or affordable housing

2148
03:24:07,540 --> 03:24:12,920
developers. We've also been coordinating very closely with Arch on this project to help

2149
03:24:12,920 --> 03:24:17,000
understand some of the market and feasibility context that goes into providing

2150
03:24:17,940 --> 03:24:23,700
developments that include a high percentage of affordable housing units that are income restricted.

2151
03:24:26,240 --> 03:24:32,040
From that outreach, we really heard a few things and you heard them already tonight in your

2152
03:24:32,040 --> 03:24:35,640
of what comment period, we really heard from faith-based organizations

2153
03:24:35,640 --> 03:24:38,600
that they would appreciate very straightforward process,

2154
03:24:39,120 --> 03:24:42,560
both them and affordable housing developers appreciate flexibility.

2155
03:24:42,960 --> 03:24:46,040
That's really key given that affordable housing,

2156
03:24:46,160 --> 03:24:48,580
especially when provided as a higher percentage

2157
03:24:48,580 --> 03:24:51,940
of a total development is difficult to make feasible

2158
03:24:51,940 --> 03:24:53,640
in this market and always.

2159
03:24:54,300 --> 03:24:57,160
So flexibility was really key for a lot of them.

2160
03:24:57,400 --> 03:24:59,680
From the faith-based organizations specifically,

2161
03:24:59,680 --> 03:24:59,980
Leave it.

2162
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:07,840
We did iterate what you heard earlier tonight that they aren't affordable housing developers in and of themselves. They really don't hold that expertise inherently.

2163
03:25:09,260 --> 03:25:16,320
And so also noted that there will be a need for some support beyond code amendments programmatically.

2164
03:25:18,000 --> 03:25:25,100
And with that feedback, we really took that to cart and tried to incorporate it into our code amendments presented to tonight.

2165
03:25:25,100 --> 03:25:30,100
And I'll talk through how we did that in the codemannments in just a moment here.

2166
03:25:31,920 --> 03:25:36,580
Before I jump into a summary of the codemannments that were included in your packet,

2167
03:25:37,400 --> 03:25:44,380
I did want to note just go over briefly a map of the existing faith owned properties in Kirkland.

2168
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:49,100
So there are 37 organizations we found that operate in Kirkland today.

2169
03:25:49,100 --> 03:25:58,800
those 37 organizations own 64 total parcels for a total of 160 acres in the city. Many

2170
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:04,800
of those parcels are quite large and you can probably think of them. So 19 of them are

2171
03:26:04,800 --> 03:26:10,920
more than two acres and a lot of those faith-based organizations that you see actually own

2172
03:26:10,920 --> 03:26:15,380
several underlying parcels that comprise one subject property that they may be operating at.

2173
03:26:15,380 --> 03:26:26,380
A little over half of those parcels exist today in low density residential zones, just a couple of them are in medium or high density residential zones.

2174
03:26:26,900 --> 03:26:37,300
And then remaining approximately 40% are in zones that already allow a little bit denser development, either office commercial institutional or transit oriented development zones.

2175
03:26:37,300 --> 03:26:48,880
And then several of the zones, this kind of similar and all of Kirkland, but several of the properties do contain critical areas that would need to be factored into future development.

2176
03:26:51,690 --> 03:26:58,430
So with that, I want to quickly review what's in your packet, just give you a summary of the draft code amendments.

2177
03:26:58,430 --> 03:27:08,270
The draft code amendments would add a new section to our affordable housing chapter in the Kirkland zoning code and they would be based on what the state told us we had to do.

2178
03:27:08,410 --> 03:27:23,750
So the state requires us to provide some type of capacity bonus for properties or developments that are providing either 50% of their total units at 80% AMI or 20% of their units at 50% AMI.

2179
03:27:23,750 --> 03:27:28,750
And that's more than we require as part of our, any of our affordable housing requirements today.

2180
03:27:28,910 --> 03:27:37,150
So this would be beyond what we require in our current code in the state requires us to provide some density bonuses for development that's doing that.

2181
03:27:37,650 --> 03:27:43,250
So as it's drafted, it would only be applicable on parcels that are owned by a faith-based organization.

2182
03:27:43,250 --> 03:27:55,190
And to put it simply, what we did was we looked at the existing underlying zones, and we provided a modest density increase on based on underlying zoning.

2183
03:27:55,330 --> 03:28:05,230
So we basically took a low density zone and said, what's the average height allowed in a low density zone and what would kind of an incremental step up to the next density zone.

2184
03:28:05,230 --> 03:28:10,890
be and that's how we looked at what their height bonus would be. And the same we looked at the

2185
03:28:10,890 --> 03:28:14,650
medium density zone, what's the average height and medium density zones for residential

2186
03:28:14,650 --> 03:28:20,650
development and gave them an incremental step up to a high density zone. So what's what that relates

2187
03:28:21,310 --> 03:28:28,290
to a result in is that in low density zones we have a few varying heights across the city in those

2188
03:28:28,290 --> 03:28:33,830
low density zones. We've talked about that a little bit with you before, but on average a lot of them

2189
03:28:33,830 --> 03:28:40,510
have a 30-foot maximum building height for residential development today. Under this bonus, they would

2190
03:28:40,510 --> 03:28:46,670
get up to 35 feet. If they were providing that state-required minimum amount of affordable housing,

2191
03:28:48,530 --> 03:28:53,210
and then in medium density, they would go from 35 to 40. So a modest height increase.

2192
03:28:54,050 --> 03:29:01,090
Lot coverage was another standard that we heard could help if projects kind of become feasible

2193
03:29:01,090 --> 03:29:09,370
If we were flexible with that and for that, one of the things that we focused on was making sure that if an organization wanting to

2194
03:29:09,370 --> 03:29:17,370
can tend to operate that faith-based facility that the standards were flexible enough that they can continue to operate their

2195
03:29:17,370 --> 03:29:23,850
place of worship and also provide some affordable housing on sites. So we factor that into looking at

2196
03:29:23,850 --> 03:29:29,830
coverage and based the bonuses for a lot coverage on the lot coverage allowed to that

2197
03:29:29,830 --> 03:29:31,150
faith-based facility.

2198
03:29:34,060 --> 03:29:40,080
Some of the other standards that we would propose to give these types

2199
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:45,600
of developments are exempting them all from design review. I think it's important to note that

2200
03:29:45,600 --> 03:29:51,720
low-density zones don't require design review today so when we look at the sites across the city

2201
03:29:51,720 --> 03:29:56,460
It's not exempting many sites that wouldn't already be inherently exempt from design review,

2202
03:29:56,800 --> 03:29:59,240
but these types of developments wouldn't be.

2203
03:29:59,900 --> 03:29:59,960
Also.

2204
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,940
We're removing where it exists, any maximum density, so a limit of units per acre, and floor area ratio standards.

2205
03:30:08,420 --> 03:30:16,700
I know Council's got a lot of feedback from a lot of housing developers that are floor area ratio standards can be quite restrictive, so removing that for these types of developments.

2206
03:30:17,340 --> 03:30:26,520
I already talked a little bit about flexible lock coverage. We also propose in the draft code being more flexible about required yards or setbacks.

2207
03:30:26,520 --> 03:30:33,740
And then also allowing for the planning and building director to approve my or deviations from the code.

2208
03:30:34,380 --> 03:30:42,540
So we have heard from the affordable housing development community that projects often need to vary just a little bit from zoning standards.

2209
03:30:42,700 --> 03:30:45,540
It's hard to write zoning standards that cover every situation.

2210
03:30:45,880 --> 03:30:52,080
And so in the spirit of trying to provide a streamlined path for these projects to happen.

2211
03:30:52,080 --> 03:31:03,560
We did add into the code an allowance for the planning and building director to administratively approve some minor deviations if one is needed to make a project work.

2212
03:31:06,940 --> 03:31:15,620
So what I've gone over so far is kind of like the base bonus that we would give these types of developments that are providing a high amount of affordable housing units.

2213
03:31:15,620 --> 03:31:19,000
And the next two slides are sort of add-ins.

2214
03:31:19,380 --> 03:31:20,400
That staff is proposing.

2215
03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:23,940
And the first is an additional height bonus.

2216
03:31:24,260 --> 03:31:26,200
And so in the draft code that you've seen,

2217
03:31:26,660 --> 03:31:28,740
we've offered an additional height bonus.

2218
03:31:29,080 --> 03:31:32,000
If a development chooses to provide more

2219
03:31:32,000 --> 03:31:34,440
than that standard that we covered.

2220
03:31:34,860 --> 03:31:38,100
So more than 20% of their units at 50%

2221
03:31:38,100 --> 03:31:42,240
any of my or more than 50% of their units at 80% any of my.

2222
03:31:42,240 --> 03:31:58,060
If they did that, they would be able to get some additional height, so up to a maximum of 50 feet and low density zones and up to a maximum of 60 feet and medium density zones, and then up to a 25 foot bonus and other zones.

2223
03:31:58,060 --> 03:32:12,880
I note that these extra heights do come with additional setback requirements written into the code so the higher they got above that kind of base bonus the more those buildings would have to be stepped back a little to mitigate impacts to adjacent properties.

2224
03:32:12,880 --> 03:32:20,360
And in terms of how this would work, we are still drafting this into our final proposal,

2225
03:32:20,620 --> 03:32:32,040
but what staff is thinking is that what we would do is require a set percentage of additional units that would have to be provided for a development to be eligible for this additional height bonus.

2226
03:32:34,540 --> 03:32:44,740
The other option that staff is proposing in the code is providing an exchange ratio that would allow development to give us different AMI levels.

2227
03:32:44,760 --> 03:32:51,440
in their project, whether they choose to do a variety or a range of units within one project

2228
03:32:51,440 --> 03:32:57,940
or provide all of them at 40% AMI instead of 50% AMI, we wanted to provide an exchange ratio

2229
03:32:57,940 --> 03:33:03,400
to give them more flexibility to make a project work or meet needs or preferences of the

2230
03:33:03,400 --> 03:33:08,180
face-based organization that they're working with. This should be a familiar concept to council.

2231
03:33:08,380 --> 03:33:12,840
You have adopted exchange ratios for several other affordable housing requirements across

2232
03:33:12,840 --> 03:33:19,900
the city including in the station area and through the Juanita cars more recently and so we're

2233
03:33:19,900 --> 03:33:26,660
proposing that that same concept be applied for this affordable housing on faith-based property

2234
03:33:26,660 --> 03:33:27,980
type of development.

2235
03:33:31,500 --> 03:33:34,540
And lastly, in addition to the code, staff has also been

2236
03:33:34,540 --> 03:33:39,460
concentrating what other support services beyond the code amendments could be helpful to faith-based

2237
03:33:39,460 --> 03:33:45,380
organizations undertaking this type of development. Our ideas for that that don't need to be

2238
03:33:45,380 --> 03:33:49,500
that we could programatically implement are offering free

2239
03:33:49,500 --> 03:33:52,540
pre-submittal conferences and perhaps expedited permit review.

2240
03:33:53,440 --> 03:33:56,340
And then, as I mentioned, we've been coordinating very closely with

2241
03:33:56,340 --> 03:34:00,080
arch and they have a lot of support available to these

2242
03:34:00,080 --> 03:34:03,160
faith-based organizations in terms of supporting due diligence,

2243
03:34:03,420 --> 03:34:05,980
helping with feasibility studies, and also kind of connecting

2244
03:34:05,980 --> 03:34:09,160
people with networks that might help them realize

2245
03:34:09,160 --> 03:34:11,640
goals if they want to do something like this.

2246
03:34:12,980 --> 03:34:18,340
With that, with the feedback we get tonight, we will finalize those draft code amendments.

2247
03:34:18,600 --> 03:34:22,420
We're currently scheduled to take them to planning mission for a public hearing on August

2248
03:34:23,120 --> 03:34:29,440
27th, and tonight would love some feedback from Council on any of the bonus development standards

2249
03:34:29,440 --> 03:34:35,360
and also any specific guidance on the concepts of the additional height bonus or the proposed exchange ratios.

2250
03:34:35,600 --> 03:34:37,320
And with that, I will hand it back to you, Madam here.

2251
03:34:39,960 --> 03:34:40,400
Thank you.

2252
03:34:40,520 --> 03:34:41,960
I'll see you did a great job.

2253
03:34:42,320 --> 03:34:42,480
So.

2254
03:34:42,480 --> 03:34:43,100
All right.

2255
03:34:43,180 --> 03:34:46,800
If you have any questions, comments, response to the questions.

2256
03:34:52,240 --> 03:34:53,400
Councilor Wright Arnold.

2257
03:34:55,060 --> 03:34:55,720
Thank you, Mayor.

2258
03:34:56,220 --> 03:34:58,580
And thank you, Allie, for the presentation.

2259
03:34:59,440 --> 03:34:59,980
You're always...

2260
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:12,220
So good at presenting some very complex topics very easily. I want to make sure I understand some things I was confused at when I first read the memo.

2261
03:35:13,800 --> 03:35:23,660
When you're talking about the exchange ratios, that's separate from an independent from the additional height bonus for a different affordability.

2262
03:35:23,660 --> 03:35:33,020
That's just something that you're allowing to change the mix of affordable housing within the development.

2263
03:35:33,860 --> 03:35:37,540
And with those offered niligational height, is that how accurate?

2264
03:35:38,600 --> 03:35:41,800
Thank you, Virginia, to clarify, Council Member Arnold.

2265
03:35:42,680 --> 03:35:48,680
As it's written in the code that was attached to your packet, those exchange ratios were written in as an option,

2266
03:35:48,680 --> 03:35:54,680
only for the additional units that would be required for the additional height bonus.

2267
03:35:55,420 --> 03:36:01,540
Since we published your packet, staff is evolving that idea to potentially apply to all

2268
03:36:01,540 --> 03:36:03,140
of the affordable units required.

2269
03:36:03,620 --> 03:36:07,680
So that's what we would propose is making those exchange ratios available across the board

2270
03:36:07,680 --> 03:36:09,600
and would appreciate Council feedback on that.

2271
03:36:09,880 --> 03:36:11,980
Yeah, but I support that.

2272
03:36:12,100 --> 03:36:17,520
On the additional height bonus, that's an area where I didn't fully understand, have you

2273
03:36:17,520 --> 03:36:24,100
set, a standard of what you do to qualify for the additional tight bonus, or is that you ask

2274
03:36:24,100 --> 03:36:27,520
you feedback on the concept and the upper limits?

2275
03:36:29,080 --> 03:36:29,920
Thank you for the question.

2276
03:36:30,060 --> 03:36:33,080
We are looking for feedback on the concept.

2277
03:36:33,660 --> 03:36:37,940
We've been working in one of the points we're still coordinating on with arch is calibrating

2278
03:36:37,940 --> 03:36:38,800
with that requirement.

2279
03:36:39,520 --> 03:36:44,640
Our current thought is that we could do something like an additional 5% of affordable units,

2280
03:36:44,640 --> 03:36:47,340
might make it eligible for that additional height bonus.

2281
03:36:47,580 --> 03:36:49,560
If there's any upper limits that council members

2282
03:36:49,560 --> 03:36:51,720
felt strongly about, take care in that.

2283
03:36:52,000 --> 03:36:52,920
OK, great.

2284
03:36:53,400 --> 03:37:00,240
So to appreciate the answers to offer my feedback overall,

2285
03:37:00,800 --> 03:37:04,880
I really appreciate the model of zone equivalences

2286
03:37:04,880 --> 03:37:08,520
versus coming up with some new standards and specifying.

2287
03:37:08,540 --> 03:37:10,600
This is much simpler to understand.

2288
03:37:11,000 --> 03:37:12,280
I appreciate that.

2289
03:37:12,280 --> 03:37:14,440
I appreciate the focus on development by right

2290
03:37:14,440 --> 03:37:21,020
in the administrative approvals. I support what you're suggesting on allowing for the exchange

2291
03:37:21,020 --> 03:37:32,640
ratios through as part of the affordable housing and I support and not necessarily just as part

2292
03:37:32,640 --> 03:37:40,900
of a height bonus and I support the upper limits of the height bonuses that you're suggesting

2293
03:37:40,900 --> 03:37:47,620
and look forward to further discussion from the planning commission on what are the right

2294
03:37:47,620 --> 03:37:54,780
and arch on what are the right requirements to qualify for that. Thank you.

2295
03:37:54,860 --> 03:38:00,260
Thank you. Councillor Timchism. Thank you and thank you, Allison.

2296
03:38:02,900 --> 03:38:10,560
Where are the process are we on this? This was designed to comply with the state law, but does this

2297
03:38:10,560 --> 03:38:16,480
back to the planning commission now? Yes, so our next step would be to finalize the draft

2298
03:38:16,480 --> 03:38:23,040
code amendments and then take it to planning commission for a public hand. Okay, thank you.

2299
03:38:24,440 --> 03:38:32,240
I do agree with and support most of this. I think it is logical because

2300
03:38:33,160 --> 03:38:37,520
this would take into consideration the underlying zoning of the surrounding

2301
03:38:40,600 --> 03:38:43,540
name or hood or the surrounding location, right?

2302
03:38:44,480 --> 03:38:44,720
Yes.

2303
03:38:45,280 --> 03:38:46,320
Thank you.

2304
03:38:48,210 --> 03:38:48,730
Thank you.

2305
03:38:49,030 --> 03:38:49,630
Anybody else?

2306
03:38:53,860 --> 03:38:54,060
Oh.

2307
03:38:54,120 --> 03:38:55,180
Tell us where I felt come.

2308
03:38:55,560 --> 03:38:56,460
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2309
03:38:57,220 --> 03:38:58,120
Nothing really new to add.

2310
03:38:58,280 --> 03:39:02,380
I just wanted to share that I support staff's recommendation.

2311
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:10,440
And including the exchange ratios applying to all of the affordable housing requirements.

2312
03:39:10,440 --> 03:39:16,820
And I really appreciate not only its simplicity, but its responsiveness to the stakeholder engagement.

2313
03:39:17,340 --> 03:39:22,080
So, thank you for that, and I'm looking forward to hopefully adopting this in the near future.

2314
03:39:24,260 --> 03:39:24,640
Thank you.

2315
03:39:24,900 --> 03:39:25,440
Councillor Prim.

2316
03:39:26,260 --> 03:39:31,560
Hi, I just wanted to say that I agree with the overall plan here,

2317
03:39:31,860 --> 03:39:35,580
and don't have really anything to add, which is, which is rare.

2318
03:39:35,960 --> 03:39:36,620
Thank you.

2319
03:39:37,200 --> 03:39:37,660
Thank you.

2320
03:39:38,440 --> 03:39:40,420
Thank you.

2321
03:39:42,240 --> 03:39:45,980
Um, say, I think this is really well done.

2322
03:39:46,620 --> 03:39:53,420
I think that we've worked really hard to simplify the process as much as possible both in the zoning and

2323
03:39:53,420 --> 03:39:56,680
being able to hand hold and support the faith-based properties.

2324
03:39:57,320 --> 03:39:58,600
This is very thoughtful.

2325
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:24,220
Yeah, it's great. So take it to public hearing. Oh, I did have one question. I appreciate that you brought on the faith-based property owners in to get their feedback. Did we, did that include this code? Did they look at this code? Recognizing that it's not usually, they don't read code usually, but did they have a chance to provide feedback on the code?

2326
03:40:25,140 --> 03:40:31,240
I don't believe that we've been any faith-based organization seen back directly on the code.

2327
03:40:31,340 --> 03:40:35,360
What we've heard a lot of is that they don't do this when they're not super familiar.

2328
03:40:35,940 --> 03:40:41,700
But we feel like we've gotten really constructive feedback from affordable housing developers that would be likely partners.

2329
03:40:43,140 --> 03:40:49,640
Okay, and when we, but let's do invite them to participate in the public hearing.

2330
03:40:50,240 --> 03:40:51,280
So, thank you.

2331
03:40:51,280 --> 03:40:59,400
Deputy Mayor. I think you met a mayor. Kind of related to that, Allison.

2332
03:41:01,440 --> 03:41:01,800
Making sure

2333
03:41:01,800 --> 03:41:07,300
that we're, I was going to ask the same question that Councilmember Arnold asked about the sort

2334
03:41:07,300 --> 03:41:18,860
of the mathematical bridge between the additional affordable housing units pursuant to the

2335
03:41:18,860 --> 03:41:24,720
So it sounds like we're going to be refining that and when we do, I think it would make

2336
03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:29,300
sense if we haven't already to get feedback from the development community that does

2337
03:41:29,300 --> 03:41:34,580
affordable housing development and make sure that what we're thinking about makes sense.

2338
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:41,600
So if we're not doing that, let's suggest we do if you're already doing it great, obviously

2339
03:41:41,600 --> 03:41:44,880
we've got some work to do to figure out that mathematical bridge and I just want to make

2340
03:41:44,880 --> 03:41:51,280
it makes sense and that, you know, 15 additional feet makes sense and 20 additional feet makes

2341
03:41:51,280 --> 03:41:55,160
sense. Because sometimes we come up with those numbers, at least we as elected officials

2342
03:41:55,160 --> 03:42:00,840
do probably not use planning professionals. And once a developer gets a hold of those numbers,

2343
03:42:01,020 --> 03:42:05,300
they're like, mmm, that doesn't really do that much for us, so I want to make sure we

2344
03:42:05,300 --> 03:42:11,340
think that through. Yes, and Scott and his team do have a very direct line of communication on this

2345
03:42:11,340 --> 03:42:13,640
project with the Housing Development Consortium,

2346
03:42:13,700 --> 03:42:15,660
who represents several affordable housing developers.

2347
03:42:16,060 --> 03:42:18,340
So I think they've been great at providing feedback

2348
03:42:18,340 --> 03:42:21,040
and giving us good checks as we go along.

2349
03:42:21,380 --> 03:42:23,480
Great, thank you.

2350
03:42:23,540 --> 03:42:25,540
Thank you, anyone else?

2351
03:42:25,720 --> 03:42:27,680
All right, Allison, do you feel like you have what you need

2352
03:42:27,680 --> 03:42:28,480
from us?

2353
03:42:28,780 --> 03:42:29,820
I believe we have what we need.

2354
03:42:29,840 --> 03:42:30,660
Thank you for the feedback.

2355
03:42:31,480 --> 03:42:32,820
Great, thank you so much.

2356
03:42:33,880 --> 03:42:37,940
All right, we are going to move on to briefing

2357
03:42:37,940 --> 03:42:42,900
a potential affordable housing agreement related to the ROTA apartment city manager.

2358
03:42:45,880 --> 03:42:46,840
Okay, thank you very much.

2359
03:42:47,900 --> 03:42:52,260
This is a potential project to create some affordable housing in Brooklyn.

2360
03:42:52,440 --> 03:42:56,280
As we go on for several years, if we finally have to place that we want to check out

2361
03:42:56,280 --> 03:42:59,000
with the council to see if you want us to continue to a final agreement.

2362
03:43:01,060 --> 03:43:04,420
So, yeah, at a minus sign, our Director of Product Eubility is going to give the presentation.

2363
03:43:04,760 --> 03:43:08,000
We also have the owner of the project, ROTA apartments,

2364
03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:10,640
for our panelists here, as well as Angela Rosman,

2365
03:43:10,900 --> 03:43:13,560
up there to answer questions about the project

2366
03:43:13,560 --> 03:43:14,840
and the agreement as well.

2367
03:43:15,000 --> 03:43:18,040
So with that, I'll turn it over to Mr. Roycey.

2368
03:43:18,700 --> 03:43:20,620
All right, good evening.

2369
03:43:20,840 --> 03:43:22,480
Thanks, City Manager, good evening, Mayor.

2370
03:43:22,580 --> 03:43:24,280
Good evening, Deputy Mayor and Council.

2371
03:43:26,140 --> 03:43:29,240
Mr. City Manager mentioned yet, joined by several folks,

2372
03:43:29,680 --> 03:43:32,220
Don Nelson, our Planning Manager, Kevin Hansen,

2373
03:43:32,800 --> 03:43:36,640
or Senior Assistant City Attorney, who helped out with this analysis

2374
03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:50,060
And then Connor Hansen, the managing principal at SRM development, Angela Rosman, who's the director of sustainable development at natural and build environments, and then of course, Tom Robert Pantley, who's the CEO of natural and build environments.

2375
03:43:50,660 --> 03:43:56,160
And yeah, again, we're not looking for a decision tonight, just feedback on whether you want staff to continue working on this agreement.

2376
03:43:56,540 --> 03:44:01,560
And if you have any follow-up questions. And yeah, again, just six slides tonight.

2377
03:44:02,960 --> 03:44:05,520
Hopefully you can see an aerial photo here.

2378
03:44:07,160 --> 03:44:09,220
This is really just to provide some context.

2379
03:44:10,760 --> 03:44:18,880
And, you know, this is, I should mention this is a really extraordinary project that's been instrumental in being part of our affordable housing strategy in Kirkland.

2380
03:44:19,100 --> 03:44:20,700
So I just want to point that out.

2381
03:44:21,080 --> 03:44:24,120
RTA is a 290 unit apartment building as you all know.

2382
03:44:24,280 --> 03:44:25,460
It's right in the heart of downtown.

2383
03:44:26,000 --> 03:44:32,700
I'd also note that it's right next to the 111 unit Plaza Project and in response to an earlier

2384
03:44:32,700 --> 03:44:38,140
public comment, the Plaza Project was the project that was the subject of an MFT agreement

2385
03:44:38,140 --> 03:44:43,540
that was city negotiated, not the RIT project that we're talking about tonight.

2386
03:44:44,060 --> 03:44:48,540
So again, right in the middle of downtown, right across from Kirkland Urban, hugely walkable,

2387
03:44:48,960 --> 03:44:53,560
two grocery stores within a couple of minute walk. I think you know all those characteristics

2388
03:44:53,560 --> 03:44:59,980
of the setting of the 290 units at RITA 228 units or Ecoflats, meaning that

2389
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,980
They have shared kitchens, although most have their own bathrooms. And this proposed deal that we're talking about tonight would encompass the affordability restrictions at 60% of the area median income, or AMI, on 218 of the ECO flat units, or 75% of the total units. And just to provide an illustration of what 60% AMI means in our community, it's about $60,000 per year for a household of one. So we're talking about, you know, pretty critical.

2390
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:34,040
I'm pleased in our communities, so we're talking about postal employees

2391
03:45:34,040 --> 03:45:38,100
executive assistance, preschool teachers, entry-level transit workers

2392
03:45:38,100 --> 03:45:43,060
that need to have housing that's affordable at 60% am I.

2393
03:45:44,200 --> 03:45:48,120
So this is the slide you've seen this on on a 50 or 60 times over the last couple of years

2394
03:45:48,120 --> 03:45:55,100
and shows our housing needs through 244, 13,200 units across all income levels.

2395
03:45:55,520 --> 03:45:57,340
Now just point out a couple of things.

2396
03:45:57,340 --> 03:46:05,520
First, as you all know, the greatest need based on this chart is in the 50% and under range and that's about

2397
03:46:05,520 --> 03:46:09,540
10,440 units or about 80% of our need.

2398
03:46:10,420 --> 03:46:15,200
The need in the 51 to 80% range is still as much smaller, but it's still very significant.

2399
03:46:15,700 --> 03:46:21,240
It's about 1,022 units or 8% of our overall need.

2400
03:46:21,240 --> 03:46:28,260
And the 51% to 80% range is the bracket of income needed that would be addressed by this proposed deal.

2401
03:46:28,560 --> 03:46:31,940
So again, a really important part of our affordable housing strategy.

2402
03:46:34,330 --> 03:46:37,310
So just as a reminder, here are the key elements of the proposal.

2403
03:46:38,430 --> 03:46:47,710
Again, 218 of the eco flats at RTA, including all the units with shared bathrooms, would be set aside at 60% AMI.

2404
03:46:47,710 --> 03:46:52,990
Tent turnover has been an interest of Council on previous agreements.

2405
03:46:53,270 --> 03:47:00,770
So right now, according to the owner, a majority of the units are rented by tenants whose incomes are over 60% AMI.

2406
03:47:01,030 --> 03:47:09,730
And under the terms of the deal, these tenants could stay at RIT, but maybe relocated to not income restricted units in the building.

2407
03:47:10,770 --> 03:47:17,490
Regarding income growth, if a tenant makes more than 60% if a tenant who makes no more than 60% AMI moves,

2408
03:47:17,490 --> 03:47:21,170
to a unit, and then their income increases up to 80%

2409
03:47:21,170 --> 03:47:24,390
AMI, the units would still be considered affordable.

2410
03:47:26,290 --> 03:47:28,630
Regarding the eligibility for the tax exemption,

2411
03:47:29,230 --> 03:47:32,850
the property owner gets the tax break for at least 20 to 40 years,

2412
03:47:33,350 --> 03:47:37,170
as long as 75% of the units are rented to households,

2413
03:47:37,670 --> 03:47:42,530
making no more than 60% AMI with that limited income growth provision

2414
03:47:42,530 --> 03:47:46,870
that I just talked about, as I previously mentioned,

2415
03:47:48,430 --> 03:47:50,050
they were the eligible for the tax exemption.

2416
03:47:51,470 --> 03:47:54,830
Regarding the loan, to be eligible for the tax break,

2417
03:47:54,830 --> 03:47:58,030
besides meeting the affordability requirements,

2418
03:47:58,490 --> 03:48:02,450
the project has to receive financial public financial assistance

2419
03:48:02,450 --> 03:48:05,650
under the state law, and that's where the city comes in.

2420
03:48:06,030 --> 03:48:08,710
So the proposal is to give the owner a $500,000

2421
03:48:08,710 --> 03:48:15,490
dollars and no interest loan for up to 40 years. And then the monitoring plan would have

2422
03:48:15,490 --> 03:48:20,610
built-in procedures for ensuring the affordability provisions of the agreement are met,

2423
03:48:20,770 --> 03:48:25,950
and those would also likely be monitored by our colleagues at Arche. And then the last thing I

2424
03:48:25,950 --> 03:48:30,810
want to mention about the key elements of the proposal is that the project would be owned and operated

2425
03:48:30,810 --> 03:48:37,550
by a nonprofit that nonprofit is still to be determined. The current owner has a list of organizations

2426
03:48:37,550 --> 03:48:40,650
they will potentially negotiate with if the deal moves forward.

2427
03:48:44,080 --> 03:48:51,260
This slide, we put together in response to questions about the sort of implications of the tax break.

2428
03:48:52,120 --> 03:48:54,640
So, I just want to mention two things about the slide.

2429
03:48:54,840 --> 03:49:05,060
First is that the owner, the current owner of the project estimates the value of the tax break at about $502,000 per year.

2430
03:49:05,060 --> 03:49:09,860
And then there have been lots of questions about the impact to city homeowners of the tax break.

2431
03:49:10,500 --> 03:49:16,820
So using our internal tool, our finance department staff estimated that the city property taxes

2432
03:49:16,820 --> 03:49:23,100
that would be shifted to the owner of a median value home in Kirkland as a result of the tax break.

2433
03:49:23,400 --> 03:49:29,980
If it were to be approved would be about $1.25 a year and that's again for a median value home in Kirkland.

2434
03:49:29,980 --> 03:49:34,660
I would also note that that figure does not include shifted taxes and other taxing districts.

2435
03:49:34,660 --> 03:49:39,200
We're really just talking about the shifted taxes for city property tax.

2436
03:49:42,450 --> 03:49:44,270
And then this is the last slide.

2437
03:49:44,870 --> 03:49:48,330
These are the issues for council consideration that we flagged in the staff member.

2438
03:49:48,430 --> 03:49:53,410
I'll go through them relatively fast, but you're welcome to ask questions about them.

2439
03:49:54,190 --> 03:49:56,030
First is regarding income limits.

2440
03:49:56,030 --> 03:49:59,970
So, the project without the RK project with...

2441
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:25,740
Without any covenant in place, just, you know, market rate rents already has a very high degree of affordability, with 89% of the eco-flatch renting for less than 60% AMI. I'd also note the affordability under this deal would be a key to region wide rents for studio units, which in many cases have complete kitchens and unit bathrooms, and so in some ways may be superior to these units.

2442
03:50:25,740 --> 03:50:32,200
So a key question is whether it is likely for rents to increase or decrease in these units over time and

2443
03:50:32,200 --> 03:50:37,940
then whether affordability level should be linked to something less than studio units. Again, these are just questions that we're posing.

2444
03:50:39,340 --> 03:50:45,420
Unit types, the agreement includes only eco flats and not one to three bedroom units.

2445
03:50:45,740 --> 03:50:54,240
And we note that one to three bedroom units, which are present in RTA, particularly the two and three bedroom units may be the most desirable units

2446
03:50:54,240 --> 03:50:57,000
and the ones that are most likely to undergo a future rent

2447
03:50:57,000 --> 03:50:59,660
escalation, although there might be a lot of value

2448
03:50:59,660 --> 03:51:02,920
in preserving the ego flats as well at affordable levels.

2449
03:51:03,460 --> 03:51:05,300
So the question is, should any of the more household

2450
03:51:05,300 --> 03:51:08,200
size units be included in the mix under the agreement?

2451
03:51:09,380 --> 03:51:11,920
Rent increases is another issue that we flagged.

2452
03:51:13,580 --> 03:51:16,060
So you probably know that these units

2453
03:51:16,060 --> 03:51:18,860
would not be subject to the recently past state authorized

2454
03:51:18,860 --> 03:51:20,420
rank control law.

2455
03:51:20,420 --> 03:51:30,340
And so they would fluctuate according to changes in area media and income, right there linked to AMI, similar to other arch managed units in the city.

2456
03:51:31,320 --> 03:51:39,500
So what happens is that if median income rises at a faster rate than individuals income that individuals living unit becomes less affordable.

2457
03:51:40,640 --> 03:51:45,200
And again, so we're talking about this issue in terms of individual experience versus aggregate experience.

2458
03:51:45,200 --> 03:51:48,300
And so the question is, should there be a cap on running

2459
03:51:48,300 --> 03:51:50,540
increases to reflect, you know,

2460
03:51:50,540 --> 03:51:52,920
potential escalation of median income in the region?

2461
03:51:53,940 --> 03:51:57,040
And then lastly, the loan and the terms of the agreement.

2462
03:51:57,260 --> 03:52:01,540
So we're talking again about a $500,000 loan as 0% interest.

2463
03:52:02,440 --> 03:52:04,120
And for a term of up to 40 years,

2464
03:52:04,300 --> 03:52:05,700
and I see that council member, Tinshazen,

2465
03:52:05,740 --> 03:52:07,720
has his hand up as well.

2466
03:52:08,000 --> 03:52:09,020
Yeah, it's very, Tinshazen.

2467
03:52:09,980 --> 03:52:10,840
Thank you, Adam.

2468
03:52:12,880 --> 03:52:19,280
So, my question is on the terms of the loan, I understand the value of this project and I'm generally supportive.

2469
03:52:20,840 --> 03:52:39,420
The loan terms are 0% interest. My question for staff is, why is it this loan at 6% interest or the prevailing rate or whatever a normal loan would be at from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or the federal government?

2470
03:52:39,420 --> 03:52:55,680
And I would note that 20 years of interest or 40 years of interest at 6%, would be maybe 350,000 over 20 years, or if the loan is over 40 years, you know, 800,000 or more.

2471
03:52:57,630 --> 03:53:01,750
And why are we for going that interest at some sort of a reasonable rate?

2472
03:53:06,120 --> 03:53:11,540
I could do an additional response to that. So that was one of the reasons we have the question.

2473
03:53:11,740 --> 03:53:16,940
I think the intent of the staff in the starting point was if we're trying to facilitate affordable housing,

2474
03:53:17,100 --> 03:53:21,340
we're trying to remove as many barriers as possible. So any cost that we'd be in the potting,

2475
03:53:22,200 --> 03:53:24,240
we would start off saying we shouldn't be doing that.

2476
03:53:25,740 --> 03:53:28,060
But when the project was first thought of,

2477
03:53:28,060 --> 03:53:32,660
what years ago, the attempt was that the amount of money was going to be a contribution not

2478
03:53:32,660 --> 03:53:37,960
long, so even that's better than I think the original idea which was, this would just be part

2479
03:53:37,960 --> 03:53:43,700
of our contribution to the stack of funding. So that's the primary reason we were just thinking

2480
03:53:43,700 --> 03:53:48,000
wanted to keep the impact as low as possible, but there's certainly no reason we couldn't have

2481
03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:52,180
a discussion on the property, I don't know about whether there should be an interest on the long.

2482
03:53:55,890 --> 03:53:59,230
Okay, I mean, I understand the reason to support this,

2483
03:54:02,130 --> 03:54:05,070
but I understand not having a high,

2484
03:54:05,070 --> 03:54:17,390
or exorbitantly high interest rate, but zero seems concerning, and I would ask that different options

2485
03:54:17,390 --> 03:54:23,130
be brought back at the prevailing rate or that that'd be investigated. Thank you.

2486
03:54:24,890 --> 03:54:30,670
Thank you. Great. Thanks. I don't have that much. Sorry.

2487
03:54:31,570 --> 03:54:36,530
No, I was going to tell you to go ahead. So you're good. Okay. I was going to mention, I don't have

2488
03:54:36,530 --> 03:54:43,430
that much more to add. So yeah, we already sort of got into the terms of the loan. The term is

2489
03:54:43,430 --> 03:54:49,250
40 years also is the only other thing that we flag and again the owner indicates that

2490
03:54:49,250 --> 03:54:52,930
all the terms of the agreement are necessary to secure financing for the project.

2491
03:54:53,810 --> 03:54:59,930
We would note that typical inclusionary zoning units and Kirkland's Market Rape Buildings are...

2492
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:07,500
Usually affordable for the life of the project. So when you're thinking about the term of the loan and the term of the affordability might think about that as well.

2493
03:55:08,160 --> 03:55:21,440
And with that, I think that exhaust the issues for council consideration. We're happy to take more questions. And again, we're just looking for feedback on undertaking additional work on this agreement. And then, and you follow up questions that we can research further.

2494
03:55:24,640 --> 03:55:26,340
Okay, thank you.

2495
03:55:26,400 --> 03:55:28,700
No, no, no, no, no, no.

2496
03:55:30,600 --> 03:55:32,140
Oh, okay.

2497
03:55:33,500 --> 03:55:34,740
All right, council repassible.

2498
03:55:38,390 --> 03:55:39,430
Thank you.

2499
03:55:39,930 --> 03:55:40,890
A couple of questions.

2500
03:55:43,550 --> 03:55:48,690
So this, so I mean, you've been getting this development confused with the other one next

2501
03:55:48,690 --> 03:55:49,150
store.

2502
03:55:49,670 --> 03:55:52,910
So the other one had multi-panel intact exemption, and this one didn't.

2503
03:55:53,090 --> 03:55:54,770
Is that what you're seeing?

2504
03:55:55,070 --> 03:55:55,310
Correct.

2505
03:55:57,310 --> 03:56:25,010
And then on, I guess what I heard from the presentation was that the eco flats, you know, many of them currently read less than 60% AMI, it's just that there's no income restrictions on renting to folks that meet that today, right?

2506
03:56:25,010 --> 03:56:34,170
Yeah, that's right. I think 89% rent for less than 60% am I and again, they rent those low levels just by nature of the fact that they're very compact

2507
03:56:34,170 --> 03:56:37,950
And we're designed for affordability at market rates

2508
03:56:39,170 --> 03:56:43,730
What I guess what like market information do we have that that would say that

2509
03:56:44,650 --> 03:56:53,590
The that the current rents would exceed 60% am I you know in a future is it just kind of just mark back at that envelope

2510
03:56:53,590 --> 03:56:59,790
So, calculations or estimates, or is there more there to kind of substantiate that?

2511
03:57:00,610 --> 03:57:02,530
Yeah, that's something that we could look at further.

2512
03:57:02,570 --> 03:57:05,230
I don't think we have a lot of hard data on that at this point.

2513
03:57:05,470 --> 03:57:08,690
It's hard to predict what happens with rents in the future.

2514
03:57:09,050 --> 03:57:12,610
Oftentimes, as buildings age, the rents get cheaper.

2515
03:57:13,390 --> 03:57:18,030
But sometimes, especially when there's a constraint housing supply or a lot of economic growth,

2516
03:57:18,150 --> 03:57:19,130
the opposite can happen.

2517
03:57:20,230 --> 03:57:23,570
So, I don't think we have perfect hard data on that.

2518
03:57:23,570 --> 03:57:26,530
if you, right now, that's something we could look into further.

2519
03:57:27,790 --> 03:57:31,870
I'd be interested in just a little bit more focus on that.

2520
03:57:32,990 --> 03:57:38,770
I'd like to be assured that at least we gave it a good due diligence.

2521
03:57:41,050 --> 03:57:41,930
Thank you.

2522
03:57:43,410 --> 03:57:44,290
Thank you.

2523
03:57:44,430 --> 03:57:44,650
Andrew?

2524
03:57:47,570 --> 03:57:49,950
Yeah, I was just, I was, I think, well, definitely.

2525
03:57:50,070 --> 03:57:52,170
I see what we can figure out on that.

2526
03:57:52,170 --> 03:57:54,530
I think I'm certainly going to talk with the developers

2527
03:57:54,530 --> 03:57:56,270
as well and others to get some insight.

2528
03:57:57,370 --> 03:57:58,690
I think, and proposing those to you,

2529
03:57:58,730 --> 03:58:00,470
I was also looking at the other side of the client,

2530
03:58:00,750 --> 03:58:05,130
which is how likely are more people to become low income?

2531
03:58:05,810 --> 03:58:08,070
And that's, I think, one of the challenges that we're seeing.

2532
03:58:08,230 --> 03:58:10,610
We had our discussion of the utility rate earlier, right?

2533
03:58:10,830 --> 03:58:13,910
That there's also, is the need increasing

2534
03:58:13,910 --> 03:58:15,350
for dedicated affordable housing.

2535
03:58:15,650 --> 03:58:17,950
So I think those are the two factors you want to weigh,

2536
03:58:18,470 --> 03:58:20,070
what is what it's like to have with rents

2537
03:58:20,070 --> 03:58:22,370
to us, what's likely to happen with it?

2538
03:58:29,590 --> 03:58:30,490
Yeah, that's a lot of work.

2539
03:58:31,750 --> 03:58:32,730
Thank you.

2540
03:58:33,450 --> 03:58:36,030
To catch members of our past close question,

2541
03:58:36,530 --> 03:58:42,050
I am wondering, it's not just the rent of this.

2542
03:58:42,330 --> 03:58:45,390
It's the risk of losing these affordable units.

2543
03:58:45,590 --> 03:58:49,130
And I see that we have Robert Panley

2544
03:58:49,130 --> 03:58:52,210
and Angela Rosmanov, sustainable Kirkland here.

2545
03:58:52,290 --> 03:58:55,190
I'm wondering if they are able to share

2546
03:58:55,190 --> 03:59:09,190
Um, like from what they have had is what's what's the interest in any alternatives that they have had for this property that, um, to compare to compared to this, to the eco flats.

2547
03:59:09,830 --> 03:59:15,070
If they're prepared to describe it, if not, um, that is one, too.

2548
03:59:26,100 --> 03:59:29,400
Thank Robert has his hand raised mayor.

2549
03:59:33,200 --> 03:59:40,320
I think she is.

2550
03:59:40,360 --> 03:59:44,220
If you want to take over for a second.

2551
03:59:44,760 --> 03:59:45,040
Sure.

2552
03:59:45,980 --> 03:59:46,620
So Mr. Bailey?

2553
03:59:47,740 --> 03:59:49,600
Thank you very much council.

2554
03:59:50,860 --> 03:59:55,320
And I would like to give some response to the comments already

2555
03:59:55,770 --> 03:59:57,920
because we all want affordability.

2556
03:59:57,920 --> 03:59:59,960
and we want the best before

2557
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,900
What a ability that we can occur, and what started this whole process was we went to sell the property, and we got multiple offers at which and it has continued over the last couple years, where people want to do value add to this property, and their job to do value add is to push rents up, and personally it's scared me to death, because that's not been our mission.

2558
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:36,460
And when we first built this, the president of the of the bank that gave us the construction

2559
04:00:36,460 --> 04:00:43,860
financing, he said, you know, be a lot better if you just build all the luxuries economically

2560
04:00:44,520 --> 04:00:50,160
and because they did a lot of this and I said, I know that, but that's not our mission.

2561
04:00:50,940 --> 04:00:59,020
So our goal here is to maintain the mission and what happened is when we built RTA, the

2562
04:00:59,020 --> 04:01:02,200
families, eyes were up here, and all of our rents were below.

2563
04:01:03,120 --> 04:01:09,320
And what's happened has, we've broken through, we've done the start of a crossover.

2564
04:01:10,300 --> 04:01:17,260
And the crossover means that the rents are increasing the cost pressures are unbelievable

2565
04:01:17,980 --> 04:01:26,880
from insurance to real estate taxes to wages, and the rents have pushed, began to push over

2566
04:01:26,880 --> 04:01:37,660
the AMI 60% and then so that's what motivated this. I figured out that I'm not getting any younger

2567
04:01:37,660 --> 04:01:43,840
and my doctor says I'm biologically ten years younger than my chronological age and I still check

2568
04:01:43,840 --> 04:01:52,280
them still getting older and so we're moving to make a sale and we believe the best thing that we

2569
04:01:52,280 --> 04:01:54,400
can do for our city is to put on a covenant.

2570
04:01:55,240 --> 04:01:59,200
That said, we have underlying loans

2571
04:01:59,200 --> 04:02:01,740
that we have to get approval for.

2572
04:02:01,920 --> 04:02:05,340
So anything we agree to has to achieve

2573
04:02:05,340 --> 04:02:07,880
phantom A's approval, or will be in loan default.

2574
04:02:09,000 --> 04:02:11,600
And it's very, we've got a lot of homework,

2575
04:02:11,940 --> 04:02:13,980
and we think we're ahead in the right direction,

2576
04:02:14,580 --> 04:02:17,320
but it is an ongoing challenge.

2577
04:02:17,640 --> 04:02:21,180
I've never seen the financial markets so challenging

2578
04:02:21,180 --> 04:02:27,780
in my career as we are right now and I based on the federal level I'm not confident it's

2579
04:02:27,780 --> 04:02:35,800
not going to continue. So I think we're in for a long road here. The goal though is why do we

2580
04:02:35,800 --> 04:02:44,260
also think that rents will increase? Well since 2020 from 2022 in the city of Kirkland

2581
04:02:45,100 --> 04:02:48,340
Incums increased to 117%.

2582
04:02:48,340 --> 04:02:52,520
Rents have increased to 165%.

2583
04:02:52,520 --> 04:02:54,840
And the hardest hit our lowest incomes.

2584
04:02:56,040 --> 04:03:01,640
So I would hope that we would really do something special

2585
04:03:01,640 --> 04:03:03,140
to protect our lower incomes.

2586
04:03:03,680 --> 04:03:06,200
The other thing that the covenant does to be clear,

2587
04:03:06,280 --> 04:03:08,580
and I think it was briefly mentioned

2588
04:03:08,580 --> 04:03:11,100
by Council Member Pascal.

2589
04:03:11,100 --> 04:03:20,240
but right now and I think applying director also said it right now slightly over half of our units are

2590
04:03:20,240 --> 04:03:29,720
rented by people over 60%. What this transition will do is get everybody in the 50% to be able

2591
04:03:29,720 --> 04:03:35,380
to rent instead of some of our folks make a hundred and hundred and twenty thousand. They like the units

2592
04:03:35,380 --> 04:03:41,740
to, you know, that they're very convenient and cost-effective and we have a capacity problem.

2593
04:03:42,680 --> 04:03:50,060
We ended up 97% full as of at the end of July, which means that only difference really

2594
04:03:50,060 --> 04:03:56,300
is our ability to turn units because we have so many units from our perspective were overfold.

2595
04:03:56,980 --> 04:04:04,600
So it does solve a real big problem and it really will support our local businesses which means

2596
04:04:04,600 --> 04:04:10,140
that the restaurant owners, the reception at the medical center,

2597
04:04:11,040 --> 04:04:15,000
the postal service for people that Adam talked about.

2598
04:04:15,120 --> 04:04:20,580
These are real people, and the more we can keep our local employees

2599
04:04:20,580 --> 04:04:24,440
living downtown, they're not parking on the street now,

2600
04:04:25,520 --> 04:04:30,200
and they're part of our community, and we believe it's,

2601
04:04:30,200 --> 04:04:34,020
and I know the council does too, it's really the best answer.

2602
04:04:34,020 --> 04:04:41,940
So hopefully I answered some of those questions for you, but we are very concerned with the crossover effect,

2603
04:04:41,940 --> 04:04:51,280
meaning that the rencer already started over versus what we had when we first got approval in 2013.

2604
04:04:51,360 --> 04:04:59,280
Another thing is Seattle in 2013 was the 27th most expensive market in the nation-large city area.

2605
04:04:59,280 --> 04:04:59,980
with

2606
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:08,300
We are now number six. So that's another example of where rents are just pushing through over the, over the line. Thank you very much.

2607
04:05:09,560 --> 04:05:11,740
Okay, thank you for that answer to my question.

2608
04:05:13,640 --> 04:05:21,160
The, just over all my comments and answers to the staff questions first.

2609
04:05:21,640 --> 04:05:25,980
I really appreciate the work of Mr. Patley and Sustainable Kirkland.

2610
04:05:25,980 --> 04:05:31,880
artes innovative and award-winning approach provided to eco-flats that are affordable to

2611
04:05:31,880 --> 04:05:38,480
renters at 60% AMI without subsidy. I was on the planning commission when this concept first

2612
04:05:38,480 --> 04:05:44,940
moved forward and the original zoning made this possible with parking flexibility. Moving forward,

2613
04:05:45,040 --> 04:05:53,700
there is the risk of these rents going up or even reconfiguring units to market rate housing.

2614
04:05:53,700 --> 04:05:59,860
The city and sustainable Kirkland has worked over several years to try to prevent this.

2615
04:06:00,260 --> 04:06:03,540
There were proposals that came before previous councils.

2616
04:06:03,940 --> 04:06:09,320
Some of the public comment that we've gotten in the email we've gotten had asked about using Amazon

2617
04:06:09,320 --> 04:06:14,500
and Microsoft Housing Fund instead of public public funding.

2618
04:06:14,920 --> 04:06:17,880
That was part of something Council looked like a year ago.

2619
04:06:17,880 --> 04:06:24,020
and even with, it felt through because those fund priorities were other housing types, but even

2620
04:06:24,020 --> 04:06:31,240
when they were looking at this, some public participation was required. Given our growth targets,

2621
04:06:32,640 --> 04:06:40,740
if these units converted to market rate, we would still have to make up for the loss for affordable units.

2622
04:06:40,740 --> 04:06:52,720
And for our $500,000 investment, we're preserving 211 units at 60% AMI for 20 to 40 years.

2623
04:06:53,100 --> 04:07:00,760
That's about $2,293 per unit, to Councilmember Tim Chesons' point.

2624
04:07:01,520 --> 04:07:04,480
On interest, I would support this even if it was a grant.

2625
04:07:04,480 --> 04:07:10,480
So I support this as your interest long because we're getting some clear public benefit.

2626
04:07:11,120 --> 04:07:16,100
To some of the issues for council consideration, my priority is scale.

2627
04:07:16,440 --> 04:07:22,520
So I support the focus on eco flats versus other types of units.

2628
04:07:23,360 --> 04:07:31,100
On rent increases, we note in the presentation and the packet that because these are affordable units,

2629
04:07:31,100 --> 04:07:35,820
the tenant protections in House Bill 1270 don't apply,

2630
04:07:40,560 --> 04:07:43,000
but in rent is linked to AMI.

2631
04:07:43,220 --> 04:07:47,280
What we've seen rent spikes when AMI has spiked.

2632
04:07:47,980 --> 04:07:52,560
So if this wasn't something that was a showstopper for federal project financing,

2633
04:07:52,920 --> 04:07:59,580
I'd like to see staff explore the protections that are in House Bill 1270,

2634
04:07:59,580 --> 04:08:09,440
perhaps something along the lines of limiting increases to increase an AMI, or the

2635
04:08:09,440 --> 04:08:15,000
hospital 2017 requirements, whatever's lower, that would be my suggestion, but would

2636
04:08:15,000 --> 04:08:23,560
like to explore something like that. Beyond that, and totally supportive of moving forward

2637
04:08:23,560 --> 04:08:30,240
with this and appreciate the developers and team moving this forward.

2638
04:08:30,680 --> 04:08:31,360
Thank you.

2639
04:08:35,390 --> 04:08:36,050
Thank you.

2640
04:08:36,090 --> 04:08:36,810
Councillor or Pasco?

2641
04:08:39,420 --> 04:08:44,760
Yeah, I just had a couple of questions after listening to Robert as the thanks for coming

2642
04:08:44,760 --> 04:08:45,740
tonight.

2643
04:08:46,380 --> 04:08:48,960
Robert and Angela appreciate it.

2644
04:08:49,140 --> 04:08:49,740
A question.

2645
04:08:51,160 --> 04:08:53,700
You know, one of the bullets up here is the unit types.

2646
04:08:53,720 --> 04:08:56,640
Number one to three bedroom units.

2647
04:08:56,640 --> 04:09:06,220
are arch included. Could you talk a little bit more about that and what, what, how would

2648
04:09:06,220 --> 04:09:12,080
the deal need to change to include those?

2649
04:09:19,480 --> 04:09:20,380
Did I do that right?

2650
04:09:21,660 --> 04:09:22,340
Yes, go ahead.

2651
04:09:22,380 --> 04:09:30,600
There you go. Okay. I want to make sure I'm supposed to speak. Okay. I would love to include

2652
04:09:30,600 --> 04:09:38,580
one to three bedroom units. If we did this at this point, I can tell you that the

2653
04:09:38,580 --> 04:09:42,540
underwriters for our loan would just turn it down flat because we've already asked the question

2654
04:09:42,540 --> 04:09:51,420
what can we do? It would require a reduction of the loan amounts and this many units to make that work

2655
04:09:51,420 --> 04:09:59,100
Amazon for 97 units put up 22 million in Kirkland a year ago or so. You're probably looking at the

2656
04:09:59,100 --> 04:09:59,780
the same ratio.

2657
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:09,640
So, you know, approximately, it would take about $14 million from Amazon to make that work. That's an approximate.

2658
04:10:11,080 --> 04:10:15,920
Or the city, obviously the city could say, that's fine. We want to do it.

2659
04:10:16,120 --> 04:10:26,860
There might be an opportunity when we get this in place. If there's any way we can get there in any form, people here know me.

2660
04:10:26,860 --> 04:10:29,460
I will do everything I can to make it happen.

2661
04:10:30,080 --> 04:10:34,300
Even if we can find three or four or seven units,

2662
04:10:34,940 --> 04:10:37,140
we'll fall all over ourselves to make it happen.

2663
04:10:39,600 --> 04:10:40,740
Okay, thank you.

2664
04:10:43,860 --> 04:10:45,640
So, who's next?

2665
04:10:46,220 --> 04:10:46,980
Deputy Mayor.

2666
04:10:49,790 --> 04:10:50,610
Thank you, Mayor.

2667
04:10:53,170 --> 04:10:54,370
Yeah, thank you for this conversation.

2668
04:10:55,050 --> 04:10:58,750
Thank you, sustainable Kirkland, Mr. Pantley.

2669
04:10:58,830 --> 04:11:02,770
Thank you for the work you've done in our community to help us

2670
04:11:02,770 --> 04:11:12,130
the greater mix of housing types that we need. Some of which like the Eagle Flats can be naturally occurring

2671
04:11:12,130 --> 04:11:16,950
affordable housing as we've seen. So, really to appreciate your work.

2672
04:11:19,290 --> 04:11:21,380
I do have a couple of things.

2673
04:11:23,690 --> 04:11:30,550
I want to sort of highlight for staff. I support us moving forward this. I appreciate

2674
04:11:33,270 --> 04:11:42,650
I appreciate the value of this project or this idea, the idea of preserving units of naturally

2675
04:11:42,650 --> 04:11:50,670
current affordable housing, having them now be applicants be sort of means tested in that they

2676
04:11:50,670 --> 04:11:52,690
will have to meet the low income requirements,

2677
04:11:54,970 --> 04:11:59,590
the cost of this $500,000 versus the cost of

2678
04:12:00,410 --> 04:12:03,470
constructing new units or renovating new units.

2679
04:12:04,790 --> 04:12:07,470
We know that constructing new units is one unit.

2680
04:12:07,830 --> 04:12:10,470
This is roughly $600,000 in our current market,

2681
04:12:11,370 --> 04:12:17,750
and we're getting the 218 preserved units for less than that.

2682
04:12:18,910 --> 04:12:20,730
I appreciate all that.

2683
04:12:21,090 --> 04:12:25,050
At the same time, I know I have a cognizant of my responsibility

2684
04:12:25,050 --> 04:12:31,950
to current technical taxpayers and the opportunity to cost associated with spending this money on

2685
04:12:31,950 --> 04:12:39,150
this project and not others. So I do want to provide my feedback to staff. There are a couple

2686
04:12:39,150 --> 04:12:45,210
of their really sort of three areas. I really do want us to explore in the negotiations.

2687
04:12:47,890 --> 04:12:54,830
I would like us to sort of stress test. I appreciate Mr. Pantley's response to the idea

2688
04:12:55,050 --> 04:12:57,870
of some of the one, two, and three-bedroom units,

2689
04:12:58,430 --> 04:13:02,210
if it's possible if they could be part of the mix

2690
04:13:02,210 --> 04:13:03,910
of affordable units.

2691
04:13:04,930 --> 04:13:07,570
I'd like to explore that a little bit further.

2692
04:13:08,490 --> 04:13:11,030
Maybe there's a little bit of mixing and matching

2693
04:13:11,030 --> 04:13:16,370
that can be done to get just a few family-sized units

2694
04:13:18,450 --> 04:13:23,010
included if maybe some number of equal of the 218

2695
04:13:23,010 --> 04:13:24,410
equal flats are not included.

2696
04:13:24,410 --> 04:13:27,710
I don't know, but I'd like to explore that idea further.

2697
04:13:30,770 --> 04:13:37,230
I would also like to explore as a little bit further the length of the affordability commitment.

2698
04:13:38,090 --> 04:13:42,530
So when we're having further conversations, as we proceed with this proposal,

2699
04:13:44,410 --> 04:13:52,690
you know, typically affordable projects in Kirkland, it's for the life of the project, the affordability.

2700
04:13:53,430 --> 04:13:58,950
I understand that's not part of the current proposal, I'd like to explore that just further

2701
04:13:58,950 --> 04:14:06,190
to find out if there's anything that's workable for a longer term commitment there.

2702
04:14:06,390 --> 04:14:11,730
And then the last topic or the last sort of element that I'd like to the staff explore,

2703
04:14:11,850 --> 04:14:19,770
and these are just sort of the top three, but there is a real annual tax benefit to the property

2704
04:14:19,770 --> 04:14:31,270
owner from the tax benefit, it does seem to me that there might be the way to have the city

2705
04:14:31,270 --> 04:14:35,910
and ultimately the taxpayers paid back on a slightly quicker schedule.

2706
04:14:36,610 --> 04:14:39,230
So I would like to explore the payment terms a little bit.

2707
04:14:41,530 --> 04:14:48,690
I'm not as concerned about the interest rate on the loan, I'm okay with the idea of a

2708
04:14:48,690 --> 04:14:55,250
of a no interest loan, but maybe there's a repayment schedule given the tax benefits that

2709
04:14:55,250 --> 04:14:59,970
are annual, that a percentage of those tax benefits could come back.

2710
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:07,320
To the city and repay the loan a little bit faster than just a final balloon payment of $500,000 at the end of 20 years.

2711
04:15:08,140 --> 04:15:09,680
I'd like to explore that little further.

2712
04:15:11,400 --> 04:15:20,800
And the lieu of interest rates, you know, there would be, if there was a repayment schedule, then there would be financial charges, if payments were late, to sort of just incentivize timely payment.

2713
04:15:21,360 --> 04:15:25,640
So that would be one way to sort of capture, recapture some of the value, the time value.

2714
04:15:25,640 --> 04:15:33,480
It payments aren't made timely. I'm not expecting that they won't be but you always have to account for that, so

2715
04:15:34,360 --> 04:15:37,860
Unless staff has any questions about my ideas there

2716
04:15:39,660 --> 04:15:46,880
I will I'll hand it the I'll hand it back. Okay. I see it thumb raised from City Manager. So thank you. Thank you

2717
04:15:48,240 --> 04:15:51,140
Councilman Phil Cohen council reprim. We haven't heard from you yet

2718
04:15:52,700 --> 04:15:54,820
Councilman. Well, there you go. Councilman Philcomb

2719
04:15:55,740 --> 04:16:00,960
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I was intently listening to the conversation so that I would have

2720
04:16:00,960 --> 04:16:05,580
things to respond to and to see if, you know, as we've been to share my thoughts on the

2721
04:16:05,580 --> 04:16:11,340
great ideas from coming from my fellow council members. Well first, thank you, Mr. Pantley,

2722
04:16:11,460 --> 04:16:17,560
Ms. Rosman and all the partners involved in it for bringing this to us. You know, we heard from

2723
04:16:17,560 --> 04:16:23,080
the community loud and clear during the comprehensive plan process that they want us to prioritize

2724
04:16:23,080 --> 04:16:28,320
preserving affordable housing. And to me, this is just a no-brainer. It's a great

2725
04:16:28,320 --> 04:16:33,620
opportunity that you're presenting to us to be able to preserve hundreds of units

2726
04:16:33,620 --> 04:16:40,000
of affordable housing in our city. And in such a prime location in downtown Kirkland,

2727
04:16:40,300 --> 04:16:47,160
a lot of the work coming out of 1220, you know, in the comprehensive plan was really not just

2728
04:16:47,160 --> 04:16:51,900
about the number of affordable units that we talk about, but also the quality of life

2729
04:16:51,900 --> 04:16:58,020
of any amenities in close proximity to the affordable housing that we work on here in the

2730
04:16:58,020 --> 04:17:04,500
public city of Kirkland. And so that's a big factor here, too. This is a prime location

2731
04:17:04,500 --> 04:17:10,500
for affordable housing that folks have access to the library to transit to, you know, restaurants

2732
04:17:10,500 --> 04:17:21,400
and parks. So thank you for that. I do have some thoughts on some of the proposed policy

2733
04:17:21,400 --> 04:17:35,640
considerations, but first I have a question on one of them to Mr. Pantley or Mr. Rosman about the idea of exploring an additional length of the commitment on affordable housing.

2734
04:17:36,200 --> 04:17:48,200
Can you speak to the feasibility of that, the potential impact on the underwriting or other considerations? I just want to hear your thoughts on that before I share my thoughts.

2735
04:17:48,900 --> 04:17:57,100
So, um, I would love to extend, um, and what we will do is we will go back to our

2736
04:17:57,100 --> 04:18:04,080
Fannie Mae representative and tell them what we want to do, but I would love to, my

2737
04:18:04,080 --> 04:18:10,480
thought is the, like tack, um, standard is 55 years in the state of Washington.

2738
04:18:11,240 --> 04:18:16,720
So, it seems like they've done enough financing, so that is going to be our request.

2739
04:18:16,720 --> 04:18:24,240
can we extend without a penalty of the underwriting and it gets, and I think it should work,

2740
04:18:24,940 --> 04:18:29,760
but we started with this process when we started with our first time around,

2741
04:18:30,360 --> 04:18:36,880
and we've talked to a lot of nonprofits and even the non-profits, national firms,

2742
04:18:37,120 --> 04:18:46,700
and billions of dollars in real estate, I'm shocked at how sensitive they are to these kinds of

2743
04:18:46,700 --> 04:18:54,820
able to finance out the term of the second buyer. It isn't about just getting it done now.

2744
04:18:55,100 --> 04:19:00,840
It's what happens. Excuse me, like a light tech term is 15 years and by the time we're all

2745
04:19:00,840 --> 04:19:08,780
done, it's 17 or 18 years. What does this next buyer look for? But you have my absolute commitment,

2746
04:19:08,780 --> 04:19:14,720
we'll collaborate with the city staff and we're very hard to make that happen. I would

2747
04:19:14,720 --> 04:19:18,360
No one would be happier than I am to see that extended.

2748
04:19:19,160 --> 04:19:20,740
Great, thank you. That's really helpful.

2749
04:19:21,300 --> 04:19:24,660
I mean, my lens on this is that I have like two goals here.

2750
04:19:24,980 --> 04:19:31,640
One, I want to make sure we get the largest community benefit that would actually be helpful to community members.

2751
04:19:32,020 --> 04:19:38,120
Most in need and two that we don't kill the deal by any changes that we want to see, right?

2752
04:19:38,300 --> 04:19:43,640
I want to make sure this goes through and that we don't over-squeeze to try to get so much out of it

2753
04:19:43,640 --> 04:19:46,780
that's some potential partners walk away from the table, right?

2754
04:19:46,880 --> 04:19:50,660
So those are kind of my two check marks

2755
04:19:50,660 --> 04:19:54,700
that I want to make sure any of these proposed guidance

2756
04:19:54,700 --> 04:19:58,620
that we give to staff to negotiate with you in the team

2757
04:19:59,180 --> 04:19:59,980
that we check both.

2758
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:19,660
So, I am supportive of Councilmember Arnold's idea of mirroring the cap on rent increases into Houseville, 1217. I think that's a great idea and I would like to see that for obvious reasons, because as long as that doesn't kill the deal, I think that was certainly provided better community benefit.

2759
04:20:20,160 --> 04:20:40,140
So I do support that. I also support asking for an additional length of commitment on affordability if that's something, again, that's not going to kill the deal. So if it sounds like you're comfortable at least with the ask, if it's not going to, you know, offend enough for folks to walk away or at least decrease their trust in the negotiations.

2760
04:20:40,140 --> 04:20:51,820
that I would support that, but I trust the judgment of staff and you mistakenly having that conversation around what's appropriate there.

2761
04:20:52,480 --> 04:21:01,360
For those same reasons, I don't support messing with either like adding interest on the loan or having earlier payments on the loan.

2762
04:21:01,360 --> 04:21:07,160
Just like Councilman Ernl said, I was all in on this and thought it was a huge, you know, return

2763
04:21:07,160 --> 04:21:12,580
on investment for a relatively, the grand scheme of things, relatively small, smaller investment

2764
04:21:12,580 --> 04:21:17,240
compared to the value of the project and the value of the return of just having it be a grant.

2765
04:21:17,900 --> 04:21:22,320
Right? So even being alone is fine with me. I don't support any interest or any earlier payment on that,

2766
04:21:22,520 --> 04:21:26,720
and I would even be fine in going back to a grant if that was necessary to get some of the other

2767
04:21:26,720 --> 04:21:30,900
terms that we want. As I don't know if that's even something that would be attractive as an

2768
04:21:30,900 --> 04:21:36,860
negotiating token, but that is something that I would be happy to support if it could get us

2769
04:21:36,860 --> 04:21:42,280
some of the other things that we're looking for. For the same reason, because of your response

2770
04:21:42,280 --> 04:21:47,200
to the two or three bedroom, I don't support going back to the table on the larger units.

2771
04:21:47,660 --> 04:21:51,760
Given that we've already done that, I want to make sure that they know that they've already been

2772
04:21:51,760 --> 04:21:57,680
on that, right? I'm trusting that we've already asked that. And then that's not feasible.

2773
04:22:02,040 --> 04:22:05,640
I just want to make sure I responded to all of them. So I think there's some great ideas

2774
04:22:05,640 --> 04:22:10,560
discussing. Those are the ones I do and don't support. And again, I think this is a no-brainer.

2775
04:22:10,900 --> 04:22:16,060
And this is exactly what the community is asking for for us to preserve these types of units.

2776
04:22:16,760 --> 04:22:18,620
So thank you again for bringing forth the opportunity.

2777
04:22:20,060 --> 04:22:20,920
Thank you.

2778
04:22:21,220 --> 04:22:21,660
Councilor Crem.

2779
04:22:23,100 --> 04:22:23,400
All right.

2780
04:22:25,160 --> 04:22:29,540
So first I just want to recognize and really thank you all and everyone involved in bringing

2781
04:22:29,540 --> 04:22:31,640
this proposal forward to us.

2782
04:22:31,860 --> 04:22:37,660
I genuinely respect the goal of preserving affordability and I appreciate the effort to find really

2783
04:22:37,660 --> 04:22:41,980
creative ways to keep these units accessible to lower income residents.

2784
04:22:41,980 --> 04:22:49,140
I've seen the units myself, and was thoroughly impressed by the creativity of the design of the units,

2785
04:22:50,200 --> 04:22:55,440
and completely understand why you have such a low vacancy rate right now across the board.

2786
04:22:56,260 --> 04:23:04,720
So I thank you for also for thinking of potentially implementing a covenant to keep these units affordable for the long run.

2787
04:23:04,720 --> 04:23:33,120
I haven't said that. I still do have some questions as to whether this agreement is necessary, given the characteristics of this particular property, so I want to understand that a little bit more. I would I would like to get some more information on exactly what the risk is that a future owner would come in and suddenly convert these units into high priced market rate apartments.

2788
04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:43,380
I think like if the ultimate goal is to keep the rents low so that individuals that are below the 60%

2789
04:23:43,380 --> 04:23:50,340
AMI are able to afford it, I just want to understand if a new owner comes in, what is the real likelihood

2790
04:23:50,340 --> 04:23:57,460
and what are we basing that likelihood on to say that the rents will dramatically increase?

2791
04:23:57,460 --> 04:24:01,060
So maybe some more information on that would be really helpful.

2792
04:24:02,160 --> 04:24:04,740
I am overall supportive of this idea,

2793
04:24:05,860 --> 04:24:13,520
but I do think that information plus maybe potential other options in terms of the loan term.

2794
04:24:14,940 --> 04:24:20,260
And in terms of interest rate, I don't think I favor that too much,

2795
04:24:20,600 --> 04:24:27,440
but I do think maybe the term duration and the various options there would be helpful.

2796
04:24:27,440 --> 04:24:28,700
information.

2797
04:24:31,980 --> 04:24:33,540
Thank you. Anyone else?

2798
04:24:36,020 --> 04:24:37,980
All right. I am also

2799
04:24:37,980 --> 04:24:41,340
want to thank you both for bringing this and we've been good

2800
04:24:41,340 --> 04:24:46,160
partners with the city. One of a couple things I'm hearing from

2801
04:24:46,160 --> 04:24:52,620
the council members. I do support looking at an earlier payment option

2802
04:24:52,620 --> 04:24:59,320
if it can happen and again any payment that we get we can reinvest in

2803
04:24:59,320 --> 04:24:59,960
other project.

2804
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:14,960
And I did appreciate our deputy mayor's idea of swapping some larger units for some eco-flex, because we do know that we have a need for larger units within the city.

2805
04:25:15,240 --> 04:25:27,160
So I would like to explore those two. My comment or my question is really to the city manager in that we haven't talked about where this 500,000 is going to come from.

2806
04:25:27,160 --> 04:25:35,660
And so, how would we fund the 500,000 and is there an opportunity cost to that so can you address that, please?

2807
04:25:37,720 --> 04:25:37,900
Yeah.

2808
04:25:38,360 --> 04:25:45,660
The goodness is this one has already been sent aside and an affordable housing account for middle-state

2809
04:25:45,660 --> 04:25:46,260
exercise tax.

2810
04:25:46,340 --> 04:25:49,860
So this is a couple of years ago and the previous budget carried it forward.

2811
04:25:50,260 --> 04:25:51,640
So it's already there.

2812
04:25:51,640 --> 04:25:57,560
It was originally set aside when the legislature gave cities the ability to use real

2813
04:25:57,560 --> 04:26:01,100
cynicized tax for affordable housing, they originally did it with a sunset provision

2814
04:26:01,100 --> 04:26:04,880
and Kirkknows one of the few cities that actually tried to use it for affordable housing,

2815
04:26:04,880 --> 04:26:07,240
so that was one of the impetus of us sitting in a society.

2816
04:26:08,160 --> 04:26:11,940
And we also wanted to demonstrate to the legislature that we would use it.

2817
04:26:12,100 --> 04:26:16,980
Thanks to Kirkknows advocacy and other cities, we actually were able to get that cap removed,

2818
04:26:17,020 --> 04:26:21,260
so it never did something so now any city can use real cynicized tax for affordable housing.

2819
04:26:21,260 --> 04:26:27,700
going forward. That's a good news. But why is already have it? It's fully budgeted and it's already there.

2820
04:26:28,320 --> 04:26:33,080
So. And how much is in that account? Right now, just the 500,000.

2821
04:26:33,100 --> 04:26:40,480
That's the 500,000. And again, I'm looking at an opportunity cost. You know, there's going to be

2822
04:26:40,480 --> 04:26:46,940
another project in six months a year or five years. So how quickly will that account replenish?

2823
04:26:46,940 --> 04:26:50,520
Yeah, that's a good budget conversation with the Council of the Shirt.

2824
04:26:50,600 --> 04:26:57,520
Shirt version of that is that up and tell the real estate exercise taxes allowed to be used for affordable housing.

2825
04:26:58,760 --> 04:27:06,720
We all of our contributions are essentially through arch and the arch trust fund and that project returning to the city when they are funded by arch.

2826
04:27:07,120 --> 04:27:10,360
Real estate exercise tax currently has to be spent within the city limits.

2827
04:27:11,120 --> 04:27:15,440
So one of the challenges of saying where would I spend it next if I had on a is.

2828
04:27:16,240 --> 04:27:20,440
Kirk would have long doesn't get sort of the 10 to 1 back that arch does when it goes

2829
04:27:20,440 --> 04:27:21,380
to the current state.

2830
04:27:21,580 --> 04:27:22,220
It gets all the other funding.

2831
04:27:22,540 --> 04:27:26,900
So we would have to have a project where that kind of money would make a difference for

2832
04:27:26,900 --> 04:27:27,660
a Kirk on project.

2833
04:27:28,480 --> 04:27:32,260
And right now, there's a couple ideas out there that we can look at, but we don't have anything

2834
04:27:32,260 --> 04:27:32,940
on that horizon.

2835
04:27:33,300 --> 04:27:37,440
So our intent was really, as opportunities arose, we kept you with proposals for using

2836
04:27:37,440 --> 04:27:39,080
else an exercise tax to make them happen.

2837
04:27:39,840 --> 04:27:42,940
So the whole village could be a concept that we could talk about, there's other places

2838
04:27:42,940 --> 04:27:48,460
to that we could like that. But at the moment, there's nothing where something like

2839
04:27:48,460 --> 04:27:51,700
a space that difference that it would share, where if we used it now, we could make

2840
04:27:51,700 --> 04:27:55,660
it do happen. There's something currently on the table where if we used it, we'd

2841
04:27:55,660 --> 04:27:56,460
know what it would happen.

2842
04:27:57,520 --> 04:27:59,300
Okay. Thank you. It's like a burden of hand.

2843
04:28:00,140 --> 04:28:09,120
So, okay. All right. That was all for me. So, do you feel like you have what you need to take

2844
04:28:09,120 --> 04:28:10,040
the next steps?

2845
04:28:10,800 --> 04:28:12,460
Yes, thanks for all the feedback.

2846
04:28:13,620 --> 04:28:13,780
Okay.

2847
04:28:14,420 --> 04:28:14,720
All right.

2848
04:28:14,780 --> 04:28:15,540
Thank you, Robert.

2849
04:28:15,620 --> 04:28:17,580
Angela, for staying late with us.

2850
04:28:19,410 --> 04:28:20,230
We'll see you soon.

2851
04:28:20,490 --> 04:28:21,470
Thank you very much.

2852
04:28:21,690 --> 04:28:22,990
We deeply appreciate it.

2853
04:28:25,810 --> 04:28:25,950
Right.

2854
04:28:26,210 --> 04:28:30,270
We are moving on to nine E, which is

2855
04:28:30,270 --> 04:28:33,690
briefing on the total, like, southern industrial sub-area

2856
04:28:33,690 --> 04:28:35,010
visioning city manager.

2857
04:28:35,190 --> 04:28:36,550
I'm guessing out of staying.

2858
04:28:39,010 --> 04:28:42,210
Yeah, so this is an item where we're going to probably appreciate

2859
04:28:42,210 --> 04:28:45,930
I was already providing information, not looking for decision

2860
04:28:45,930 --> 04:28:49,130
by the council today, just information exchange and feedback.

2861
04:28:49,550 --> 04:28:52,070
Go ahead, turn it back to Adam Weinstein, what do you feel like turning?

2862
04:28:53,030 --> 04:28:54,850
Actually, Martha Rubar, I'm just going to take this one,

2863
04:28:54,930 --> 04:28:55,910
and I'll see you in your planner.

2864
04:28:58,750 --> 04:28:59,330
Thank you.

2865
04:28:59,510 --> 04:29:00,610
Thank you, City Manager.

2866
04:29:02,310 --> 04:29:04,670
Just one moment here.

2867
04:29:19,380 --> 04:29:19,380
Yeah,

2868
04:29:29,400 --> 04:29:30,420
apologies for that.

2869
04:29:30,460 --> 04:29:31,680
It's technical difficulties.

2870
04:29:31,680 --> 04:29:40,780
Can you see my screen okay? We can, okay, thank you. Good evening Mayor, Deputy Mayor and Council members.

2871
04:29:41,100 --> 04:29:46,420
I'll be presenting tonight on the Totem Lakes Southern Industrial Sub area, Phase 1.

2872
04:29:46,920 --> 04:29:54,400
I have 10 slides to cover and there is no formal direction requested from Council tonight on this project.

2873
04:29:58,630 --> 04:29:59,590
So,

2874
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,300
Brief background on the area for those who aren't familiar. This area is located in the southwest corner of the totem like urban growth center. It is made up of warehouses built between the 1960s and 1980s primarily for manufacturing and light industrial uses within proximity to what used to be the railway, but as now the cross-curcant corridor, which you can see in this map running north south in green.

2875
04:30:30,360 --> 04:30:36,540
And over time, the area transition to be a mix of office, construction of retail, wholesale

2876
04:30:36,540 --> 04:30:42,580
distribution, automotive uses, indoor recreation, and other service uses.

2877
04:30:44,540 --> 04:30:49,420
And there are a couple of residential developments within the area today, including an apartment

2878
04:30:49,420 --> 04:30:52,740
complex and two town home developments.

2879
04:30:54,900 --> 04:31:01,240
And Forbes Creek runs through the area, but it is mostly hidden behind parking lots and

2880
04:31:01,240 --> 04:31:02,700
warehouse buildings today.

2881
04:31:07,160 --> 04:31:14,760
So this project began back in 2022 with a community initiated amendment request that the

2882
04:31:14,760 --> 04:31:21,240
city received to resume several parcels on the western side of the sub area, which we call

2883
04:31:21,240 --> 04:31:26,800
the Parmac sites to allow for high density residential mixed uses.

2884
04:31:27,480 --> 04:31:33,300
And in 2023 through the review of the request, Council decided to expand the Parmac

2885
04:31:33,300 --> 04:31:38,820
car study area to include the full southern industrial sub-area neighborhood.

2886
04:31:40,860 --> 04:31:50,160
And then in 2024, as part of the Compland Policy Process Policy TL33.1 was adopted to create

2887
04:31:50,160 --> 04:31:55,420
sub-area plan for this area to consider a new mixed-used walkable and sustainable

2888
04:31:55,420 --> 04:31:59,360
neighborhood. And then that brings us to where we are today,

2889
04:31:59,780 --> 04:32:06,160
what I'm presenting on tonight, which is Phase I of developing that sub-area plan.

2890
04:32:06,440 --> 04:32:09,520
So, the city received a grant to partner with a team from Denmark,

2891
04:32:10,540 --> 04:32:16,440
Blocksub on Phase I, and Phase I has been focused on understanding existing

2892
04:32:16,440 --> 04:32:22,320
conditions of the area, initial stakeholder engagement, and visioning for the area.

2893
04:32:24,100 --> 04:32:30,740
And then next year in 2027, phase two will commence, which will be the full separate

2894
04:32:30,740 --> 04:32:38,440
planning process and include an evaluation of market conditions for the existing uses and

2895
04:32:38,440 --> 04:32:41,240
explore opportunities to expand housing allowances.

2896
04:32:41,240 --> 04:32:42,180
So,

2897
04:32:47,040 --> 04:32:53,360
as I mentioned, we have partnered with Blocks Hub for this initial visioning phase for this other industrial sub-area.

2898
04:32:54,080 --> 04:33:00,260
Blocks Hub is a Nordic Hub for a sustainable urbanization, basin Copenhagen, and we've partnered with them previously.

2899
04:33:01,880 --> 04:33:09,920
There are work focuses on facilitating cross-sector collaboration with cities around the world to address shared urban challenges.

2900
04:33:09,920 --> 04:33:21,020
And for this project, they assembled a team of landscape architects and architect specializing in adaptive reuse and a community engagement specialist.

2901
04:33:21,760 --> 04:33:25,880
And this work was made possible through a grant from the Scan Design Foundation.

2902
04:33:30,190 --> 04:33:35,230
So a major piece of this phase in our work with Blox Hub was community outreach.

2903
04:33:35,230 --> 04:33:43,890
The blocks have team visited Kirkland twice and hosted workshops with the community to understand

2904
04:33:43,890 --> 04:33:50,890
their perspective and collaborate on a shared vision for how the area could improve and evolve

2905
04:33:50,890 --> 04:33:51,870
in the future.

2906
04:33:53,930 --> 04:34:00,330
We visited the area several times to knock on doors and ask employees and business owners about

2907
04:34:00,330 --> 04:34:05,850
what they feel is working well in the area, what could be improved and then also invite them

2908
04:34:05,850 --> 04:34:06,790
to the workshops.

2909
04:34:09,010 --> 04:34:12,570
We also spoke with housing developers in the area and community members

2910
04:34:12,570 --> 04:34:21,010
who frequent the area. And what we heard generally is a general satisfaction with the current mix

2911
04:34:21,010 --> 04:34:27,830
of commercial and residential uses a lot of businesses seem to pretty happy with the way that things

2912
04:34:27,830 --> 04:34:32,050
where in the area, they really value the areas

2913
04:34:32,050 --> 04:34:34,550
affordable and flexible commercial spaces.

2914
04:34:35,670 --> 04:34:37,990
There was some desire for more food options

2915
04:34:37,990 --> 04:34:40,910
in the area for people that grab lunch at,

2916
04:34:43,030 --> 04:34:47,110
and also a strong support for improving access

2917
04:34:47,110 --> 04:34:50,430
to the CKC, kind of opening up the CKC

2918
04:34:50,430 --> 04:34:53,630
to the area to reduce traffic congestion

2919
04:34:53,630 --> 04:34:57,070
and let her connect the area with the rest of the city.

2920
04:34:57,830 --> 04:34:58,510
um

2921
04:35:00,690 --> 04:35:12,570
We also heard a lot about how businesses and community members are often unaware of each other, a lot of the businesses are kind of tucked away and not visited often.

2922
04:35:21,430 --> 04:35:36,510
So, through the outreach and workshops, the team collected over 100 ideas for how the area could evolve or be improved, and then we took those 100 ideas and applied these five criteria to them.

2923
04:35:36,510 --> 04:35:40,430
So connected, experimental, rooted, nature-based, and collaborative,

2924
04:35:42,790 --> 04:35:48,370
and reduced them down to nine design concepts.

2925
04:35:49,850 --> 04:36:04,430
And each of these concepts were fleshed out with the community and with city staff to identify starting points, key actions, how the concept could be scaled, how it could be enabled through regulations.

2926
04:36:04,430 --> 04:36:08,150
and the points of attention for potential hurdles,

2927
04:36:09,230 --> 04:36:11,330
and then lastly, who should be involved with implementation.

2928
04:36:12,390 --> 04:36:16,010
So this diagram here shows all nine of the concepts

2929
04:36:16,750 --> 04:36:19,790
and attachment three in the staff memo,

2930
04:36:20,330 --> 04:36:21,470
includes a lot more detail.

2931
04:36:21,630 --> 04:36:24,010
The blocks have team wrote up a great report,

2932
04:36:25,330 --> 04:36:26,870
detailing each of the nine concepts,

2933
04:36:28,330 --> 04:36:31,430
and kind of all of the key points for them.

2934
04:36:32,390 --> 04:36:38,630
But I am going to touch on two of them, so you get an idea of what they are.

2935
04:36:39,710 --> 04:36:47,250
The first is way finding and murals concept, so the concept is to create an identifying

2936
04:36:47,250 --> 04:36:54,450
logo or icon or color and create way finding signage for the sub-area, which would help create

2937
04:36:54,450 --> 04:36:59,590
an identity for the area and connect the CKC users and surrounding neighborhoods within

2938
04:36:59,590 --> 04:37:07,410
this area, and then murals would also activate the large blank facades, so there's these large

2939
04:37:07,910 --> 04:37:16,190
warehouses that kind of line the CKC and adding some art there would kind of open up and

2940
04:37:16,190 --> 04:37:24,350
add visual interest to those large walls and invite people into the area. The key actions for

2941
04:37:24,350 --> 04:37:32,330
concept were to send out an open call for art and branding proposals, apply the art to

2942
04:37:32,330 --> 04:37:38,570
existing infrastructures such as pavement, utility boxes or these walls, and develop a

2943
04:37:38,570 --> 04:37:44,150
wall-mural concept, maybe focused on the intersection of nature and industry that is

2944
04:37:44,150 --> 04:37:45,170
present in this area.

2945
04:37:45,170 --> 04:37:56,170
The regulatory enablers could be allowing signs, so a sign permit process to allow

2946
04:37:56,170 --> 04:38:02,370
a sandwich board signs or directional signs on the CKC or elsewhere in the area.

2947
04:38:03,550 --> 04:38:05,870
The second concept is the warehouse concept.

2948
04:38:06,950 --> 04:38:12,910
This was created because most of these buildings within this area are column-been structures,

2949
04:38:12,910 --> 04:38:18,610
which are structurally flexible and able to accommodate many different uses.

2950
04:38:21,270 --> 04:38:24,710
And so this creates an opportunity to build upon the existing structures,

2951
04:38:25,290 --> 04:38:28,910
either by converting them to different uses or adding on to them,

2952
04:38:30,070 --> 04:38:36,890
which would preserve the buildings and businesses in the area while accommodating new uses such as housing.

2953
04:38:37,690 --> 04:38:44,030
key actions for this is to develop a transformation and development guide to show what's

2954
04:38:44,030 --> 04:38:48,730
possible for these buildings and gives a clear pathway for development and maybe start

2955
04:38:48,730 --> 04:38:52,250
with a pilot as a live demonstration for the community.

2956
04:38:54,250 --> 04:39:00,850
Regulatory of Navelers may be offer a height bonus for these projects and pre-approved permit

2957
04:39:00,850 --> 04:39:08,710
pathways to expedite them and then potential hurdles, points of attention, is mitigation could

2958
04:39:08,710 --> 04:39:14,070
be needed for mixing of residential and industrial uses and transformation could potentially

2959
04:39:14,070 --> 04:39:16,590
increase property value and displace businesses.

2960
04:39:22,750 --> 04:39:27,850
So looking at the comprehensive plan policy for this area, our phase one work has begun

2961
04:39:27,850 --> 04:39:34,090
looking at many of the objectives of the policy and the components that will be included

2962
04:39:34,090 --> 04:39:41,510
in the Siberia plan analysis, so I've copied the policy here in italics and then the pieces

2963
04:39:41,510 --> 04:39:47,790
of the policy that phase 1 has begun to make progress on. I won't walk through each of them,

2964
04:39:47,870 --> 04:39:50,110
but happy to answer any questions about them.

2965
04:39:55,360 --> 04:39:58,860
So the key takeaways from this work are that

2966
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:18,360
There's a lot of life in this area today. There's many small and large businesses in this area. When we were walking around and talking with them, it was clear that they really enjoy having their business located in this area and rely on the large flexible and affordable spaces that exist.

2967
04:40:18,360 --> 04:40:25,920
Some examples of the businesses that exist here are a custom closet store, a cookie company,

2968
04:40:26,240 --> 04:40:32,400
a catering company, a brewery, tennis center, a lighting store, a tortilla company,

2969
04:40:32,740 --> 04:40:39,160
auto repair shops, card dealership, a door company, drywall company, hardware store, and many

2970
04:40:39,160 --> 04:40:40,100
others.

2971
04:40:40,100 --> 04:40:43,320
And, yeah, it was fun to talk with everyone.

2972
04:40:47,430 --> 04:40:49,970
Existing relationships between businesses and residents

2973
04:40:49,970 --> 04:40:52,530
and this rounding area are pretty limited.

2974
04:40:52,830 --> 04:40:57,390
We heard a lot of businesses saying that they didn't know that each other existed.

2975
04:40:59,150 --> 04:41:02,810
There are two prominent buckets of businesses in the area.

2976
04:41:03,590 --> 04:41:08,050
There's indoor recreation businesses and construction businesses.

2977
04:41:08,050 --> 04:41:15,930
And based on what we heard, it sounds like within those buckets, they have a symbiotic relationship with each other.

2978
04:41:16,150 --> 04:41:20,390
But the businesses outside of those buckets are pretty siloed and hidden away.

2979
04:41:22,290 --> 04:41:29,270
We learned that the area would benefit from a stronger identity and name that reflects its character.

2980
04:41:29,270 --> 04:41:35,670
So some characteristics that could be incorporated are the industry and nature, intersection,

2981
04:41:36,030 --> 04:41:42,230
theme, production, construction, and experimentation, and the play and recreation theme.

2982
04:41:45,030 --> 04:41:50,340
It also became very clear that the CKC is the area's living spine. It provides green space,

2983
04:41:51,270 --> 04:41:56,670
gathering space, and creates an opportunity to connect businesses, customers,

2984
04:41:56,670 --> 04:42:01,470
the nearby open spaces and also the regional destinations.

2985
04:42:04,010 --> 04:42:06,890
And lastly, there are many low-hanging fruit opportunities

2986
04:42:07,670 --> 04:42:11,010
that exist that could be implemented in this area

2987
04:42:11,540 --> 04:42:16,750
and improve it while simultaneously advancing the city's policy goals

2988
04:42:16,750 --> 04:42:20,570
such as the way of finding and mural's concept along with others.

2989
04:42:23,960 --> 04:42:29,300
And that brings us to my last slide, which are the next steps for this project.

2990
04:42:29,880 --> 04:42:36,260
We will share the final design report with the stakeholders of the area once it's finalized.

2991
04:42:37,380 --> 04:42:44,960
And then phase two of this project will begin in 2027, which will include analysis of commercial and light industrial lands,

2992
04:42:45,200 --> 04:42:48,300
and then further exploration of expanding housing allowances.

2993
04:42:48,980 --> 04:42:58,300
The design concepts and visioning work and outreach that we've done in phase one can be incorporated into the sub-area plan under phase two.

2994
04:43:00,780 --> 04:43:09,460
And I also wanted to say before passing it back to the mayor, just a huge thank you to the Blockshead team and the experts that they involved in this project.

2995
04:43:10,100 --> 04:43:14,700
they've brought really creative ideas for our community outreach and

2996
04:43:14,700 --> 04:43:20,620
solutions to these kind of bigger complex questions and lots of

2997
04:43:20,620 --> 04:43:24,380
inspiration for sustainability and urban design and community building

2998
04:43:24,380 --> 04:43:28,660
methods. So it's been fun to work with them and a huge thank you to

2999
04:43:28,660 --> 04:43:31,980
that team for their collaboration. I'll pass it back to you Madam Mayor.

3000
04:43:33,280 --> 04:43:38,300
Thank you, Martha, and I also echo your thanks to Blocks Hub.

3001
04:43:38,540 --> 04:43:41,840
I really enjoyed participating in the first stakeholder group.

3002
04:43:41,920 --> 04:43:43,600
It was really great.

3003
04:43:43,940 --> 04:43:49,460
And I'm very hungry, and you start talking about cookies and tortillas and stuff.

3004
04:43:50,580 --> 04:43:51,120
All right.

3005
04:43:51,400 --> 04:43:52,220
Councillor Passebel.

3006
04:43:54,650 --> 04:43:59,350
Yeah, thank you for all the effort on this, Martha.

3007
04:44:00,670 --> 04:44:06,430
Yeah, I mean, it's fun to see, great to see that kind of a policy, the complex policy

3008
04:44:06,430 --> 04:44:11,950
comes to life, so to speak, kind of moving that policy forward to implementation.

3009
04:44:13,470 --> 04:44:17,430
And like the mayor got, and the deputy mayor got to participate in the workshop with

3010
04:44:17,430 --> 04:44:24,370
blocks of and the other community members that participated and it was, I participated in

3011
04:44:24,370 --> 04:44:29,690
work shops and, you know, things like that over the years and it was something different

3012
04:44:29,690 --> 04:44:40,510
and unique and well, well done. So impressed by the team as well. I just wanted to just offer my

3013
04:44:40,510 --> 04:44:47,130
support for the continued kind of phase two efforts. I think this is going in the right direction

3014
04:44:47,130 --> 04:44:59,970
and I just support that. I wanted to just ask a question, though, of staff. We did receive an email from the planning.

3015
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:10,060
Commission chair, recommending to forego some of this work and development of the sub-area plan this week.

3016
04:45:10,760 --> 04:45:19,760
I was wondering if from staff's perspective, is any of the work that we've done to date back that recommendation out?

3017
04:45:19,760 --> 04:45:20,760
I don't

3018
04:45:25,940 --> 04:45:27,200
know if I can.

3019
04:45:27,540 --> 04:45:28,060
It's your question.

3020
04:45:28,400 --> 04:45:31,140
It would be learned something that would allow us to pass it as a

3021
04:45:31,140 --> 04:45:31,480
question.

3022
04:45:32,080 --> 04:45:35,140
Well, I'm just wondering if, did we learn something through that

3023
04:45:35,140 --> 04:45:38,940
where staffs now recommending us to do what the planning

3024
04:45:38,940 --> 04:45:41,760
commission chairs suggesting which is just not

3025
04:45:41,760 --> 04:45:43,100
to do the sub-variant plan?

3026
04:45:46,940 --> 04:45:47,600
Adam, go ahead.

3027
04:45:48,820 --> 04:45:49,440
Yeah, thanks.

3028
04:45:51,560 --> 04:45:53,440
We're still in the early stages, I think.

3029
04:45:53,580 --> 04:45:55,660
I mean, I think one of the challenges of this area is

3030
04:45:55,660 --> 04:45:58,480
Martha pointed out is that there's this amazing

3031
04:45:58,480 --> 04:46:00,840
fabric of small businesses here, right?

3032
04:46:00,840 --> 04:46:03,020
And there's not a lot of industrial land in the city.

3033
04:46:03,120 --> 04:46:09,760
So I think one of the things that we still haven't completely understood is the role

3034
04:46:09,760 --> 04:46:16,820
of these industrial zones in the city, and the fact there aren't many of them, and they're

3035
04:46:16,820 --> 04:46:18,240
relatively fragile, right?

3036
04:46:18,360 --> 04:46:22,300
And so I think there is what we learned is that there are opportunities for housing here,

3037
04:46:22,380 --> 04:46:27,680
but exactly where that goes and how much of it I think is still something that is to be determined.

3038
04:46:27,680 --> 04:46:33,280
And I think, you know, when we get through the budget process and start talking more about

3039
04:46:33,280 --> 04:46:37,440
phase two, there might be an option to look at alternatives to a sub-area plan.

3040
04:46:38,120 --> 04:46:41,360
But I think that there's still probably a little more exploration that we want to do to figure

3041
04:46:42,140 --> 04:46:44,280
out, you know, how housing fits into this area.

3042
04:46:44,520 --> 04:46:49,020
Again, I think our takeaway is that it is a really unique place and the businesses there

3043
04:46:49,020 --> 04:46:54,760
at Martha said really do value the flexibility and low costs of the spaces.

3044
04:46:57,180 --> 04:47:06,220
Yeah, I guess it was always my impression that the sub-variant plan would consider how and if the area transitions over time, right,

3045
04:47:08,520 --> 04:47:23,780
that it might not stay intact, even with some of these changes that over time, it could change over the housing and more density and things like that and what what infrastructure would be necessary to support that.

3046
04:47:24,760 --> 04:47:54,740
You know, so what I'm hoping that that finding effort would, you know, evaluate, so I was just, I guess I was just a little surprise to read in that email that it made sound like we've already made a decision and that we just target residential to small portions of the subbury and I don't know that I just, I don't feel like the council's made that decision yet or the subbury plan has really made that determination or not subbury plan.

3047
04:47:54,760 --> 04:47:57,160
but that phase one efforts have made that determination.

3048
04:47:58,780 --> 04:48:01,840
So I'm just wondering if you agree with that or not.

3049
04:48:04,020 --> 04:48:06,400
Again, I think we'd look for a council direction on that issue,

3050
04:48:06,720 --> 04:48:08,220
but again, I think there's probably a little more work

3051
04:48:08,220 --> 04:48:10,180
that can be done that we can bring back to council

3052
04:48:10,180 --> 04:48:12,660
where you can help us, you know, you can guide us

3053
04:48:12,660 --> 04:48:16,540
in that next step, and we can bring back options

3054
04:48:16,540 --> 04:48:18,600
the next time we talk about the next phase

3055
04:48:18,600 --> 04:48:20,000
of the project as well.

3056
04:48:24,200 --> 04:48:25,940
But you don't feel like you've received direction

3057
04:48:25,940 --> 04:48:29,400
from us on that, yeah, correct, okay.

3058
04:48:29,400 --> 04:48:32,120
Thank you. Thank you. Councillor O'Pran.

3059
04:48:34,180 --> 04:48:42,160
Yeah, I just had a question on kind of the timeline for these studies, so for this phase two was study.

3060
04:48:43,120 --> 04:48:50,800
Like, what is the approximate amount of time it will take from start to finish and then let's just start that.

3061
04:48:57,110 --> 04:49:04,630
I can jump in again. I'm a list of Martha or Ali and one two, but we haven't, yes, sure. We have a program for a year on the planning work program.

3062
04:49:06,230 --> 04:49:08,910
Again, that's a gross estimate, I would say.

3063
04:49:09,250 --> 04:49:18,330
As you know, as you know, from our experience with the stationary plan, right, we took a lot longer than a year to do a big stationary plan with all of its attendant technical studies.

3064
04:49:18,530 --> 04:49:32,050
So I think the sort of a scale of change in the sub-area, most particularly how much housing we end up accommodating in the station and the sub-area and how much infrastructure is needed to support that.

3065
04:49:32,050 --> 04:49:34,710
I think will be a determinant of how long the process takes,

3066
04:49:35,170 --> 04:49:37,170
but again, right now we schedule the year for it.

3067
04:49:38,570 --> 04:49:42,670
And is there a way to like speed that up by any chance

3068
04:49:42,670 --> 04:49:45,510
or like, you know, I guess one of the main factors

3069
04:49:45,510 --> 04:49:48,710
and determinants, so you said one of the main factors

3070
04:49:48,710 --> 04:49:53,250
is how many potential areas you'd have to evaluate

3071
04:49:53,250 --> 04:49:56,270
for housing that could increase the overall timing.

3072
04:49:56,630 --> 04:49:59,010
Is there anything else that could increase the time

3073
04:49:59,010 --> 04:49:59,970
or decrease the time?

3074
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:03,920
To be able to finish this, please two.

3075
04:50:04,660 --> 04:50:07,840
Yeah, there's thanks Councillor Prim. There's probably a lot of variables, right?

3076
04:50:07,900 --> 04:50:14,080
I think a big one, right, that, you know, elongated the timeline for the stationary plan was all

3077
04:50:14,080 --> 04:50:18,400
the technical studies that we did to support that work, which were really useful studies,

3078
04:50:18,760 --> 04:50:22,580
right? We did infrastructure studies, traffic studies. We did a really big, comprehensive,

3079
04:50:22,620 --> 04:50:27,760
environmental impact statement for that project. We developed other things to go along with the plan.

3080
04:50:27,760 --> 04:50:33,260
So I think what we would typically do is come to you relatively early on in the process, come

3081
04:50:33,260 --> 04:50:38,780
to council and present you with a couple of alternatives for gross scenarios in the zone,

3082
04:50:38,820 --> 04:50:44,520
and then you could give us guidance on that, and then we could identify a scope of technical

3083
04:50:44,520 --> 04:50:47,620
work that would go along with that.

3084
04:50:47,880 --> 04:50:52,160
So maybe that's a non-answer to your question, but I think we would present you with options

3085
04:50:52,160 --> 04:50:56,240
some of which could lead to a shorter process, some of which would resolve a no longer process.

3086
04:50:58,160 --> 04:50:59,120
Thank you.

3087
04:50:59,140 --> 04:51:00,400
Thank you.

3088
04:51:00,920 --> 04:51:01,960
Anyone else?

3089
04:51:12,310 --> 04:51:13,030
Deputy Mayor?

3090
04:51:15,600 --> 04:51:16,020
Thanks, Mayor.

3091
04:51:16,140 --> 04:51:23,080
I just wanted to make sure I gave my guidance to Council R to staff that I do like the idea.

3092
04:51:23,160 --> 04:51:24,320
I like the direction we're going.

3093
04:51:24,560 --> 04:51:26,760
I want to proceed with the phase two.

3094
04:51:27,760 --> 04:51:34,980
I do recall why I supported this from the very get go in the connection with the approval of the complaint.

3095
04:51:34,980 --> 04:51:42,520
I did want us to try to take a thoughtful approach to this area, look at it district-wide through

3096
04:51:42,520 --> 04:51:47,520
district-wide planning, and see if there was a way to protect the existing light and

3097
04:51:47,520 --> 04:51:54,400
industrial foster some really creative commercial uses while encouraging sort of innovative

3098
04:51:55,240 --> 04:52:01,820
housing in this area. So that's the direction I feel like we're going. I think it's worth the

3099
04:52:01,820 --> 04:52:06,840
investment of thoughtfulness and its approach.

3100
04:52:09,100 --> 04:52:15,280
And I'm cognizant of the fact that right now with the macroeconomic environment, what we're

3101
04:52:15,280 --> 04:52:22,080
hearing from developers and their interest in new projects, or at least the kind of new

3102
04:52:22,080 --> 04:52:23,260
projects we want to see here.

3103
04:52:23,260 --> 04:52:31,520
I don't know that if we just expedited approval of housing, that we would get anything like

3104
04:52:31,520 --> 04:52:35,760
that we get any projects or that we get anything like the kind of projects that we want to see in

3105
04:52:35,760 --> 04:52:40,100
this area. So that's why I want to take this thoughtful project, appreciate the thoughtfulness

3106
04:52:40,100 --> 04:52:45,700
that's gone into this and I'm willing to invest in my vote. It's not a vote. I know my direction

3107
04:52:45,700 --> 04:52:53,780
is that we continue down this sort of deliberate thoughtful approach to this whole district. I really

3108
04:52:53,780 --> 04:52:58,640
want to see, this could be a great legacy for this council.

3109
04:52:59,180 --> 04:53:01,060
So, thank you.

3110
04:53:01,280 --> 04:53:02,720
Thank you, Councilor Arnold.

3111
04:53:05,900 --> 04:53:10,780
Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Martha and planning team

3112
04:53:10,780 --> 04:53:16,940
on this, I came into this where reading the Blocks Hub report

3113
04:53:16,940 --> 04:53:21,040
was the first I've seen of this, and it's

3114
04:53:21,040 --> 04:53:23,200
was impressed at the scale of their vision

3115
04:53:23,200 --> 04:53:27,460
and how to talk about large transformation in this area.

3116
04:53:27,640 --> 04:53:29,760
There's some intriguing ideas there.

3117
04:53:30,280 --> 04:53:35,620
That's said, I'm not ready for wholesale complete change

3118
04:53:35,620 --> 04:53:39,200
across the entire Southern industrial sub-area.

3119
04:53:39,700 --> 04:53:41,800
My feedback would be to look for options

3120
04:53:42,680 --> 04:53:45,420
for a narrow scope for phase two.

3121
04:53:46,120 --> 04:53:49,540
It's going to be important to preserve the light and industrial,

3122
04:53:50,640 --> 04:53:55,800
especially between one 12th and one 16th and then as was mentioned the presentation.

3123
04:53:57,880 --> 04:54:04,800
As we look to say, how do we maintain or for those affordable flexible commercial spaces?

3124
04:54:05,760 --> 04:54:18,320
Can they coexist or are we looking at some different geographical areas that may be appropriate for converting to housing?

3125
04:54:18,320 --> 04:54:32,220
And as we look at the feedback from Aaron Jacobson and Gina Medea, which I will note that E-mail

3126
04:54:32,220 --> 04:54:38,860
was then offering feedback as individuals, not as the Planning Commission Chair and Vice Chair.

3127
04:54:40,500 --> 04:54:47,100
I do like the idea of evaluating and recommending areas within this industrial summer that

3128
04:54:47,100 --> 04:54:58,880
maybe appropriate to move first on and that might be an option for scoping future phases depending on the narrowed area or scope.

3129
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:12,760
It may make the sub-area plan easier. And it may make the need for a market study, which is also requirement, no longer needed. So, want to look at those particular options.

3130
04:55:13,780 --> 04:55:22,620
And then finally, I understand one of the stakeholder groups actually had an inventory of businesses in the area.

3131
04:55:22,620 --> 04:55:27,220
I think that'd be some important information to share.

3132
04:55:27,420 --> 04:55:30,100
I know several of the examples that we're mentioned.

3133
04:55:30,960 --> 04:55:37,360
I am aware of there are others that I may not have just from my own walking the corridor

3134
04:55:37,360 --> 04:55:43,500
and being in the neighborhood and would like to look at this in a detailed and comprehensive

3135
04:55:43,500 --> 04:55:43,980
event.

3136
04:55:44,580 --> 04:55:45,220
Thank you.

3137
04:55:45,560 --> 04:55:47,000
Thank you.

3138
04:55:47,260 --> 04:55:47,840
Anyone else?

3139
04:55:53,170 --> 04:55:53,450
Okay.

3140
04:55:53,450 --> 04:55:55,710
first. Oh, Deputy Mayor.

3141
04:55:58,140 --> 04:56:04,480
Deputy Mayor, are you raising your hand? I did. Yeah. And I apologize for interrupting

3142
04:56:04,480 --> 04:56:09,760
you. You certainly still feel welcome to make your remarks. I was just going to highlight that

3143
04:56:09,760 --> 04:56:16,620
as I listened to us, I think this is one of those examples where we may not be giving staff as

3144
04:56:16,620 --> 04:56:23,240
clear direction as we need to. And so I do think one question I have for staff is whether they've

3145
04:56:23,240 --> 04:56:28,680
what they really need from us. I feel like there's a we're a little bit all over the

3146
04:56:28,680 --> 04:56:32,800
not all over the map but we're a little bit we've covered some territory on the map

3147
04:56:32,800 --> 04:56:34,140
in our feedback.

3148
04:56:37,720 --> 04:56:45,160
City manager I see your hand. Well so quick I think yes in a sense that

3149
04:56:46,300 --> 04:56:56,260
we're going to come back with options about how the 27 studies go and options that the

3150
04:56:56,260 --> 04:57:04,600
but there's no change in what the Hop-Up language says yet and there's no change in the idea that we need to come back at

3151
04:57:04,600 --> 04:57:09,140
27 to look at the sub-area. But I think some ideas on things in the scope that we could bring you as

3152
04:57:09,140 --> 04:57:14,500
options for the full council get discussing debate and decided upon in 27 through the planning

3153
04:57:14,500 --> 04:57:21,040
or program. That's how I interpret it. Great. As long as staff is getting what they need,

3154
04:57:21,040 --> 04:57:23,440
I, that's great, thank you.

3155
04:57:25,000 --> 04:57:26,540
Councilman, our phone, come on.

3156
04:57:26,640 --> 04:57:28,380
Thank you, Madam Mayor, I wasn't going to speak,

3157
04:57:29,060 --> 04:57:30,880
but the ends of your hair raises a good point,

3158
04:57:30,960 --> 04:57:33,360
so I just wanted to share one of my thoughts

3159
04:57:33,360 --> 04:57:35,420
that may be helpful for staff in the direction

3160
04:57:35,420 --> 04:57:39,320
is that I support Councilman Arnold's thoughts

3161
04:57:39,320 --> 04:57:42,580
on seeing if there's ways to break this into smaller parts

3162
04:57:42,580 --> 04:57:44,660
to be more efficient in doing the work.

3163
04:57:45,460 --> 04:57:46,800
So, a plus one to that please.

3164
04:57:49,480 --> 04:57:51,260
Thank you, anyone else?

3165
04:57:51,260 --> 04:58:03,060
Go in once. Going twice. All right. Martha, good job. I really appreciated the thoughtfulness

3166
04:58:03,060 --> 04:58:08,620
that we're behind this. I really appreciated the work that everyone put in to reach

3167
04:58:08,620 --> 04:58:13,940
an out to the existing businesses and getting their input. I think that's super important

3168
04:58:13,940 --> 04:58:19,940
and it's not something we usually do. And what's really clear about this is this is a very unique

3169
04:58:19,940 --> 04:58:28,920
area. This is unlike anything else that we have within the city, both in where it resides

3170
04:58:28,920 --> 04:58:36,200
within the Total Lake Regional Center and the kinds of businesses it's in. So I am

3171
04:58:36,200 --> 04:58:43,140
not interested in cutting this up in little pieces. I think it's really important that

3172
04:58:43,140 --> 04:58:49,400
we do this strategically and thoughtfully and look at it holistically. I think that the

3173
04:58:49,400 --> 04:58:56,580
policy that was in the comprehensive plan was well done, and so I support staying with the

3174
04:58:56,580 --> 04:59:04,240
policy and doing the work to design this area that will become very special. So thank you

3175
04:59:04,240 --> 04:59:12,720
for that. Anyone else? All right. Thank you, Martha. Thank you, Adam. Thank you, Alison. You may

3176
04:59:12,720 --> 04:59:22,680
go home and go to bed. Hopefully you'll have very far to go. Okay, council. It is 1107 and we have

3177
04:59:22,680 --> 04:59:30,820
council policies and procedures and we also have three LRMs. So my suggestion is that we delay

3178
04:59:30,820 --> 04:59:39,380
9F council policy procedures to a later meeting and go ahead and go into reports and the LRMs.

3179
04:59:39,380 --> 04:59:45,800
any objections to that thumbs up. Thank you, Councilor Arnold, Councilmember Tim Chisen.

3180
04:59:49,840 --> 04:59:55,620
I don't object, but I have some policies and procedure amendments that I'll

3181
04:59:55,620 --> 04:59:59,980
be bringing at the next meeting, so I do want to address the issue at some point.

3182
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:22,100
Thank you. All right. So, do I have a thumbs up for everybody? Okay. We will postpone 9F and we will decide a figure out when it could be on the council calendar again. So, we are going to move into council reports and I will start with deputy mayor and let's keep them short folks.

3183
05:00:23,140 --> 05:00:30,060
Okay. Just quick note that the mayor and I got to visit the South County Recycling

3184
05:00:30,060 --> 05:00:37,640
and Transportation in Algonna. Last Friday, I want to thank the staff of the city and

3185
05:00:37,640 --> 05:00:46,760
of the county for that tour. It's the latest, most advanced version of a recycling and

3186
05:00:46,760 --> 05:00:53,480
for station that the county's built. So that was really informative. I wanted to highlight that

3187
05:00:53,480 --> 05:01:01,640
next Wednesday, I'm going to be attending a convening by Challenge Seattle and Greater Seattle

3188
05:01:01,640 --> 05:01:10,140
Partners to discuss sort of economic development priorities with our mayors. The mayor was invited.

3189
05:01:10,820 --> 05:01:16,260
She's unable to attend. So I just want my colleagues to know I'm going to be attending that in the mayors

3190
05:01:16,260 --> 05:01:20,820
Instead, really enjoyed national light out last night.

3191
05:01:21,380 --> 05:01:29,280
Thank you to all of the first responders and the community who both organized the block

3192
05:01:29,280 --> 05:01:36,320
parties and again, of course, the first responders that took us out and particularly KPD who drove

3193
05:01:37,220 --> 05:01:44,080
us around. And then I do have, there is a joint LRM on shared

3194
05:01:44,080 --> 05:01:50,320
e-mobility that Councilmember Paskell Councilmember Arnold and I are going to present.

3195
05:01:50,500 --> 05:01:58,180
I'm going to leave that to Councilmember Paskell or Arnold to present during their Council

3196
05:01:58,180 --> 05:01:58,540
reports.

3197
05:01:58,740 --> 05:01:59,700
That's it.

3198
05:02:00,040 --> 05:02:03,960
LRMs happened during city manager reports, not Council reports.

3199
05:02:04,320 --> 05:02:04,560
Sorry.

3200
05:02:05,100 --> 05:02:08,160
I'll leave it to them to bring it up during city manager reports.

3201
05:02:08,540 --> 05:02:08,940
Thank you.

3202
05:02:08,980 --> 05:02:09,880
Councilmember Paskell.

3203
05:02:11,840 --> 05:02:15,780
I don't have anything to report that can't be reported to be email.

3204
05:02:16,140 --> 05:02:16,740
Thank you.

3205
05:02:16,760 --> 05:02:17,180
Thank you.

3206
05:02:17,780 --> 05:02:18,880
Thank you.

3207
05:02:19,720 --> 05:02:19,800
Yes.

3208
05:02:19,920 --> 05:02:22,140
Since it's late, I'm only going to mention one thing.

3209
05:02:22,860 --> 05:02:23,380
And that is.

3210
05:02:23,520 --> 05:02:23,960
Thank you.

3211
05:02:24,120 --> 05:02:28,080
Everyone who's come out to watch the amazing young athletes at this week's Junior League

3212
05:02:28,080 --> 05:02:29,580
Softball World Series.

3213
05:02:29,840 --> 05:02:31,700
And ever as part, it's been so fun.

3214
05:02:32,160 --> 05:02:33,900
I know I've been out there every day.

3215
05:02:34,460 --> 05:02:37,740
I know I saw Deputy City Manager Lopez out there.

3216
05:02:37,740 --> 05:02:41,960
know that Councillor Arhol has been out there, so if you haven't been out there, definitely

3217
05:02:41,960 --> 05:02:47,160
check it out, it's so much fun, there's a lot of great energy and the games run through

3218
05:02:47,160 --> 05:02:48,220
Saturday morning.

3219
05:02:48,620 --> 05:02:49,180
Thank you.

3220
05:02:49,280 --> 05:02:49,700
Thank you.

3221
05:02:49,980 --> 05:02:50,800
Councillor Pribb.

3222
05:02:52,220 --> 05:02:53,240
Yeah, nothing to report.

3223
05:02:53,720 --> 05:02:54,160
I'll be sending.

3224
05:02:55,060 --> 05:02:55,780
Thank you.

3225
05:02:55,960 --> 05:02:56,940
Councillor Mayor Arld.

3226
05:02:57,300 --> 05:02:57,900
No report.

3227
05:02:58,380 --> 05:02:59,480
Councillor Mayor Regens, isn't.

3228
05:02:59,660 --> 05:03:00,280
I report.

3229
05:03:00,740 --> 05:03:01,420
Thank you.

3230
05:03:02,120 --> 05:03:07,180
My report I will send, but I do want to take a moment to thank City staff and everyone that

3231
05:03:07,180 --> 05:03:13,040
We're behind the scenes to make sure that this meeting went smoothly, really, really appreciate it.

3232
05:03:13,160 --> 05:03:14,060
So thank you, everyone.

3233
05:03:14,620 --> 05:03:17,200
City Manager, I'm handing it over to you.

3234
05:03:18,540 --> 05:03:22,260
But you have one short update, and then I'll call for the calendar and LRM.

3235
05:03:22,480 --> 05:03:23,860
Question, the short update.

3236
05:03:25,800 --> 05:03:32,600
I think you may all know we are now part of a municipal city jail caucus that came out of our legislative actions.

3237
05:03:32,600 --> 05:03:37,420
And that cost us, we found ourselves in the realm of being the community, and in a Campbell.

3238
05:03:38,100 --> 05:03:39,880
I don't know what affairs banjo is building that.

3239
05:03:40,420 --> 05:03:43,600
We had a meeting with Roger Goodman to discuss the idea as a group of,

3240
05:03:44,360 --> 05:03:47,640
the city's meant certain standards for the jail operations could they get,

3241
05:03:48,660 --> 05:03:52,120
sort of a safe harbor from lawsuits,

3242
05:03:52,340 --> 05:03:54,380
especially if there's injuries or death in the jail.

3243
05:03:55,040 --> 05:03:58,780
So, my jails are facing basically extinction if you have one bad event,

3244
05:03:58,800 --> 05:04:00,480
you could lose blades of dollars in settlement.

3245
05:04:00,480 --> 05:04:04,580
So, I just want to let you know that since the legislative record hasn't been able to be part of this yet,

3246
05:04:05,580 --> 05:04:10,180
we, my author, I have a good men and his suggests most being with Senator Mocketingra, who's a chair of the Senate committee.

3247
05:04:10,340 --> 05:04:15,680
We did that yesterday and several of the mayors from the cities were there as well as us.

3248
05:04:15,680 --> 05:04:17,400
It's a really great meeting.

3249
05:04:17,540 --> 05:04:21,660
She told us that she would be willing to potentially sponsor a benefit met her parameters,

3250
05:04:21,680 --> 05:04:22,580
which she laid out.

3251
05:04:23,620 --> 05:04:26,580
But, um, on all of your behalf, some behalf of our corrections department,

3252
05:04:26,580 --> 05:04:29,180
others, we're making some progress on this issue.

3253
05:04:29,180 --> 05:04:33,100
I just want to know about it because it's kind of happening outside of our normal legislative

3254
05:04:33,100 --> 05:04:35,820
work process, but we had a really good meeting with the senator.

3255
05:04:37,600 --> 05:04:39,080
Much more to come.

3256
05:04:41,220 --> 05:04:41,460
All right.

3257
05:04:41,760 --> 05:04:45,420
So next we're the calendar and I know we have a couple of legislative request memos.

3258
05:04:46,140 --> 05:04:49,540
So the city attorney's office has been kind enough to put them out of slides for us all.

3259
05:04:50,860 --> 05:04:53,180
So we did them kind of in the end and we'll receive them.

3260
05:04:53,260 --> 05:04:56,160
So I guess I'll just look to the council to see who wants to make the motion.

3261
05:04:56,700 --> 05:04:57,740
I have the order that they're showing.

3262
05:04:57,740 --> 05:04:58,260
So.

3263
05:04:59,260 --> 05:04:59,960
Yes, we're a Pasco.

3264
05:05:03,600 --> 05:05:11,140
Thank you, Madam Mayor. So just a little bit of quick background for those that might be watching.

3265
05:05:12,240 --> 05:05:19,600
I think several of us were approached some time ago by representatives of line.

3266
05:05:20,680 --> 05:05:24,880
and indicating that they have there in our joining cities,

3267
05:05:25,200 --> 05:05:26,760
in agencies surrounding Kirkland,

3268
05:05:27,160 --> 05:05:31,600
a baffle wouldn't build red men and now we're just starting a program in Bellevue.

3269
05:05:33,760 --> 05:05:38,260
And, you know, saying that now Kirkland is kind of in a donut hole, right?

3270
05:05:38,500 --> 05:05:42,820
And so they'd like to start conversations with us about introducing

3271
05:05:42,820 --> 05:05:48,700
micro mobility options here to our city and then they followed that up with a letter to the council.

3272
05:05:48,700 --> 05:05:52,360
I believe yesterday or the day before with their interest.

3273
05:05:52,860 --> 05:05:54,700
And so, based upon that letter,

3274
05:05:55,260 --> 05:05:57,440
that official letter from line

3275
05:05:58,310 --> 05:06:03,320
feel like it's prudent talking with W Ameri Black

3276
05:06:03,320 --> 05:06:05,860
and Council Member Arnold feel like it's prudent

3277
05:06:05,860 --> 05:06:12,020
to offer LRM so that we can look at this option.

3278
05:06:12,320 --> 05:06:13,540
This isn't approval of it,

3279
05:06:13,760 --> 05:06:15,040
it's just look and explore options

3280
05:06:15,040 --> 05:06:22,260
of how we might consider micro-evolubility program in Kirkland, and we know that E-bikesake

3281
05:06:22,260 --> 05:06:28,020
D has been a big conversation in the community, not just in Kirkland, but across the region

3282
05:06:28,020 --> 05:06:35,160
in state, and that has to be, you know, continued to be part of any option and evaluation

3283
05:06:35,160 --> 05:06:37,100
that we look at.

3284
05:06:38,160 --> 05:06:41,420
So with that, I'll make a motion and we can have any discussion.

3285
05:06:41,420 --> 05:06:59,060
Motion for the Council to approve a legislative request memo asking the city manager to explore options for allowing the shared micro mobility program, including eSputters, eBliders, and eBike, such as the one operated by Lyme within the city with corresponding attention to writer and community safety.

3286
05:06:59,740 --> 05:07:00,160
So I can't.

3287
05:07:03,980 --> 05:07:07,720
I don't know who that was. I'm going to give it to Black just because he was loudest.

3288
05:07:08,720 --> 05:07:13,340
Motion's been made by Councilmember Paskel second by Deputy Mayor Black.

3289
05:07:13,340 --> 05:07:15,320
any discussion?

3290
05:07:20,780 --> 05:07:22,740
All those of you ever please say aye?

3291
05:07:23,260 --> 05:07:23,820
All right.

3292
05:07:24,320 --> 05:07:25,000
Any opposed?

3293
05:07:26,320 --> 05:07:28,140
Motion carries seven zero.

3294
05:07:28,800 --> 05:07:29,860
Thank you, gentlemen.

3295
05:07:31,020 --> 05:07:31,840
All right, next.

3296
05:07:35,900 --> 05:07:36,140
Okay.

3297
05:07:37,060 --> 05:07:39,800
I want to give some background on this.

3298
05:07:40,020 --> 05:07:48,900
So I'm proposing this LRM to explore helmet requirements for high-speed micro mobility devices, such as e-bikes,

3299
05:07:48,900 --> 05:07:55,740
because our responsibility is really to protect public safety, especially for our children and teens.

3300
05:07:57,260 --> 05:08:02,020
E-bikes are, as everyone knows, E-bikes are becoming very common in our community.

3301
05:08:02,900 --> 05:08:11,100
And the data is speaking quite loudly amid 2020's six national analysis by Trovita,

3302
05:08:11,300 --> 05:08:17,680
which is a very legitimate data data set governed by the U.S. major U.S. health systems

3303
05:08:17,680 --> 05:08:23,060
across the country found that emergency room visits for e-bike and e-scooter injuries among

3304
05:08:23,060 --> 05:08:32,180
children and adolescents increased by 671 percent between January of 2023 and May of 2026.

3305
05:08:33,080 --> 05:08:37,380
And many times it really is the lack of helmets that causes these injuries.

3306
05:08:37,820 --> 05:08:45,000
As an example from June 2025 to June 2026, a major hospital in Texas treated

3307
05:08:45,700 --> 05:09:00,160
127 pediatric patients out of which 99 of them and this was for them being on injuries caused by bicycles or e-bikes or e-scooters 78% of them were not wearing helmets.

3308
05:09:00,920 --> 05:09:05,140
So I understand you know helmets definitely cannot prevent every injury.

3309
05:09:05,760 --> 05:09:12,580
But I do think that that's the simplest and most effective way for us to reduce the risk of potential head injuries.

3310
05:09:12,580 --> 05:09:24,440
Therefore, I don't think that this is not like a request to get approval for this, but really to explore options on whether or not this is something we could do in the city of Kirkland.

3311
05:09:25,280 --> 05:09:41,900
So, I move that we approve a legislative request memo asking staff to provide options for requiring the use of bite helmets when operating a micro mobility device, like bicycles, E by C scooters, etc., in Kirkland.

3312
05:09:41,900 --> 05:09:49,540
I heard council member Tim Chison on the second. So it's been moved by councilman Pram

3313
05:09:49,540 --> 05:09:56,040
second by council member Tim Chison to move forward. The helmet LRM, is there any discussion?

3314
05:09:57,160 --> 05:09:58,060
Help, er, drop it to me.

3315
05:10:00,500 --> 05:10:07,020
Just one quick comment. I really appreciate Council Member Prem bringing this forward.

3316
05:10:08,020 --> 05:10:17,660
And it is a topic that was discussed by me and Council Member Arnold and Council Member Pascal and connection with the shared

3317
05:10:17,660 --> 05:10:24,880
the microambility as well. Just know that we were thinking about this topic too and one of the reasons we

3318
05:10:24,880 --> 05:10:32,320
worded that error in the way we disc, we were hoping that that might, that that error in my

3319
05:10:32,320 --> 05:10:37,880
come back with some suggestions for how we might look at helmets too but this is the more this is the

3320
05:10:37,880 --> 05:10:43,120
clear and more direct way to do it and I think it makes a ton of sense and I'm going to support it.

3321
05:10:43,900 --> 05:10:46,040
Thank you. Councillor Timchissen?

3322
05:10:47,260 --> 05:10:51,040
I'll support that. I support this LRM. I think one of the interesting legal questions

3323
05:10:51,040 --> 05:10:56,320
that will emerge is if a civil infarction, a non-criminal civil infarction is issued,

3324
05:10:56,700 --> 05:11:02,700
whether that civil infarction is issued to the writer or the parents. Thank you.

3325
05:11:02,700 --> 05:11:05,060
Thank you. Councillor Hurtell.

3326
05:11:07,160 --> 05:11:15,460
Just a quick comment. Generally on LRMs, we've been pretty open to these

3327
05:11:15,460 --> 05:11:22,840
because it's just starting the conversation. But for helmets and while there should be no argument

3328
05:11:22,840 --> 05:11:29,920
about riding a helmet, wearing a helmet when you're riding a bicycle bike, e-scooter, etc., the question

3329
05:11:29,920 --> 05:11:34,360
on requiring this and enforcing it.

3330
05:11:34,700 --> 05:11:36,680
And all this gets very complicated, very fast.

3331
05:11:36,880 --> 05:11:42,100
And I am conscious of staff capacity, even in looking

3332
05:11:42,100 --> 05:11:44,740
at this for an L-R-M.

3333
05:11:45,480 --> 05:11:49,020
And so I think it's an important issue.

3334
05:11:49,760 --> 05:11:51,980
I'm not sure it's one that I'm supportive

3335
05:11:51,980 --> 05:11:53,900
of moving on immediately.

3336
05:11:54,340 --> 05:11:56,380
And so in the interest of prioritization,

3337
05:11:56,540 --> 05:11:58,560
I'm going to be voting against this.

3338
05:11:58,560 --> 05:12:02,180
but please, everybody out there, parents out there,

3339
05:12:02,280 --> 05:12:04,120
make sure that you're riding helmets.

3340
05:12:04,500 --> 05:12:06,800
I'm just not sure about city accident at this point.

3341
05:12:07,060 --> 05:12:07,760
Thank you.

3342
05:12:08,180 --> 05:12:08,820
Thank you.

3343
05:12:09,600 --> 05:12:10,340
Anyone else?

3344
05:12:11,740 --> 05:12:13,720
All right, the questions I'm motioned to move

3345
05:12:13,720 --> 05:12:16,900
for the helmet LRM made by Casper Prim,

3346
05:12:17,040 --> 05:12:18,680
second by Casper Prim, chimchism.

3347
05:12:18,900 --> 05:12:20,960
All those of you who are pleased to say aye.

3348
05:12:21,700 --> 05:12:23,520
All right, all those opposed?

3349
05:12:24,060 --> 05:12:24,300
No.

3350
05:12:25,280 --> 05:12:26,780
Well, she carries six one.

3351
05:12:29,110 --> 05:12:29,350
All right.

3352
05:12:29,350 --> 05:12:31,170
Holmes point over Lake.

3353
05:12:31,270 --> 05:12:32,770
Kelsmerfield, come with.

3354
05:12:33,250 --> 05:12:34,190
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

3355
05:12:34,430 --> 05:12:36,570
And this is a since Councilor of Pascals

3356
05:12:36,570 --> 05:12:39,670
presented the other LRM, I hope he doesn't mind if I

3357
05:12:39,670 --> 05:12:41,890
present this one just to share the workload.

3358
05:12:43,010 --> 05:12:46,270
Is the joint proposed LRM by Councilor of Pascals and I?

3359
05:12:46,710 --> 05:12:48,650
I won't go into much detail about it because I think

3360
05:12:48,650 --> 05:12:50,690
we're all fairly familiar with these issues.

3361
05:12:52,350 --> 05:12:54,210
Those two issues are in here.

3362
05:12:54,410 --> 05:12:57,570
You probably all read the language, but just for those watching

3363
05:12:57,570 --> 05:13:03,770
at home, what they both relate to the homes point overlay, which is a part of the neighborhood

3364
05:13:03,770 --> 05:13:08,790
in the Finhill neighborhood, right? It's a portion of the Finhill neighborhood for those

3365
05:13:08,790 --> 05:13:15,910
who may not be familiar. And the two, there are stricter rules within the homes point overlay

3366
05:13:15,910 --> 05:13:21,790
about property usage and development. And so these are to address some of the issues that we've

3367
05:13:21,790 --> 05:13:28,130
hearing repeatedly from community members that live in the homes point neighborhood of Finn Hill.

3368
05:13:28,830 --> 05:13:34,830
The first is, I've brought this up several times over the past few years since we've adopted

3369
05:13:34,830 --> 05:13:40,690
the Arno Tree Code, and that is allowing some more flexibility for tree removal for homeowners

3370
05:13:40,690 --> 05:13:51,770
in the homes point neighborhood. There are folks who I've heard from who are incurring a lot of

3371
05:13:51,770 --> 05:13:57,110
trees that are, you know, damaging their home or having, you know, other issues with the trees

3372
05:13:57,110 --> 05:14:00,950
are healthy and so they're currently not allowed to remove them in the homes point overlay.

3373
05:14:01,350 --> 05:14:07,670
They do not have the ability to remove either two or four trees like property owners do

3374
05:14:07,670 --> 05:14:12,110
in the rest of the city. So I'd like for us to look at options for more flexibility there.

3375
05:14:12,450 --> 05:14:17,570
Or we'd like to look at that. And the second is related to lot coverage and lots

3376
05:14:17,570 --> 05:14:22,370
I think we're all at least, you know, somewhat familiar with the

3377
05:14:22,370 --> 05:14:26,010
homesquite overlay being more restrictive in this and essentially the larger the

3378
05:14:26,010 --> 05:14:32,410
lot that you have, the higher, or the the the last lot coverage

3379
05:14:32,410 --> 05:14:36,030
are allowed, right, on larger properties. So for properties that already have an

3380
05:14:36,030 --> 05:14:39,070
existing home that may be a large home, even if they have a very large

3381
05:14:39,070 --> 05:14:42,930
property, are not allowed to split that lot in order to facilitate

3382
05:14:42,930 --> 05:14:48,530
are more desperately needed housing development in our community. And this target

3383
05:14:48,530 --> 05:14:53,810
specifically flexibility in those cases in the homes point or really area for

3384
05:14:53,810 --> 05:14:57,930
missing middle housing because we know that that's what we need more than, you know,

3385
05:14:58,050 --> 05:14:59,870
to make make mansions that we see everywhere.

3386
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:11,920
So, it's very targeted specifically at looking at ways that we could be more flexible with allowing missing mental housing and lots flooding in order to allow that to happen in the homes point overlay.

3387
05:15:13,180 --> 05:15:22,500
So, I will make the motion. We move to approve an LRM to explore options for two potential code amendments related to the homes point overlay.

3388
05:15:22,500 --> 05:15:29,620
The first would involve expanding the ability to remove trees in the homes point overlay outside of development scenarios.

3389
05:15:30,280 --> 05:15:35,620
For instance, increasing the ability to remove trees to better align with the lounges in the rest of the city,

3390
05:15:36,060 --> 05:15:41,960
where a property owner can generally remove two to four trees per year depending on the size of the property.

3391
05:15:42,740 --> 05:15:51,040
The second code amendment would involve loosening one or more development standards in the homes point overlay to facilitate the development of middle housing.

3392
05:15:51,040 --> 05:15:56,220
The options that are explored should consider whether these amendments can be integrated into

3393
05:15:56,220 --> 05:16:02,220
the projects that are currently on the 2026-2028 planning work program.

3394
05:16:02,400 --> 05:16:02,500
Sorry.

3395
05:16:04,920 --> 05:16:05,320
Thank you.

3396
05:16:05,420 --> 05:16:06,740
It's been moved by Councillor Fell.

3397
05:16:06,740 --> 05:16:07,160
Come on.

3398
05:16:07,160 --> 05:16:08,400
Second by Councillor Paskill.

3399
05:16:08,440 --> 05:16:09,160
New forward.

3400
05:16:09,480 --> 05:16:11,900
The heart and point overlay LRM.

3401
05:16:12,120 --> 05:16:12,840
Councillor Paskill.

3402
05:16:15,410 --> 05:16:15,870
Thank you.

3403
05:16:16,410 --> 05:16:16,730
Councillor Fell.

3404
05:16:16,950 --> 05:16:18,950
I'm going to get a great job of explaining that.

3405
05:16:19,210 --> 05:16:24,090
The only couple things I just want to add and emphasize is that these things are

3406
05:16:24,090 --> 05:16:30,070
are issues that we've heard from the community members, these aren't just wild ideas that both

3407
05:16:30,070 --> 05:16:34,950
of us came up with, but these are things, conversations that have been having over the years,

3408
05:16:35,150 --> 05:16:38,870
I'm sure you've heard to from other community members about this. And then second,

3409
05:16:39,770 --> 05:16:47,550
we were very specific with staff that we wanted these to be very targeted and really wanted, and

3410
05:16:47,550 --> 05:16:53,030
that's what that lesson is there, is to try to find a way to see if if we're targeted,

3411
05:16:53,030 --> 05:17:00,330
It can maybe add it to an existing work program item rather than creating a whole another set of work for the

3412
05:17:00,330 --> 05:17:09,750
PIN department because we know that they're stretched in, that there's a lot of different priorities when we wanted to basically just kind of append on to an existing process.

3413
05:17:10,710 --> 05:17:17,890
And so that's our hope that staff will look at that and see what would be their appropriate way of considering these amendments.

3414
05:17:18,610 --> 05:17:19,030
Thank you.

3415
05:17:19,230 --> 05:17:19,830
Thank you.

3416
05:17:20,270 --> 05:17:20,830
Anyone else?

3417
05:17:22,210 --> 05:17:27,790
I do appreciate that you recognize the potential impact to the planning work program.

3418
05:17:27,990 --> 05:17:31,970
I thought that was a nice ad to the LRM, so thank you for that.

3419
05:17:32,730 --> 05:17:33,570
Any further discussion?

3420
05:17:35,410 --> 05:17:37,170
All those of favor please say aye.

3421
05:17:38,690 --> 05:17:38,730
Aye.

3422
05:17:38,730 --> 05:17:38,890
Aye.

3423
05:17:39,630 --> 05:17:40,490
Any opposed?

3424
05:17:41,330 --> 05:17:42,470
Motion carries 70.

3425
05:17:44,050 --> 05:17:45,510
All right, well done, everyone.

3426
05:17:46,310 --> 05:17:49,050
City Manager, anything else from you,

3427
05:17:52,630 --> 05:17:53,450
you're muted.

3428
05:17:53,970 --> 05:17:55,650
I feel very, yeah, it's wasn't.

3429
05:17:55,790 --> 05:17:58,490
I will reschedule the council policies or procedure discussion.

3430
05:17:58,930 --> 05:18:03,250
Are there any other calendar changes from the council before we finish?

3431
05:18:06,920 --> 05:18:11,380
See, now I just want to add my thanks to the IT staff and the clerks office team

3432
05:18:11,380 --> 05:18:15,040
and everyone who made this virtual meeting go so well and a huge thanks to the council members

3433
05:18:15,040 --> 05:18:19,380
for your flexibility and your patience as we get it and you guys will have a great job.

3434
05:18:20,300 --> 05:18:26,580
So thank you. Thank you everyone. Enjoy your recess and we are adjourned.