[0:01] Yeah.
[0:25] It's just a sample just to see what was
on the agenda.
[0:30] I'm just doing a sample one tonight.
[0:37] Coming in.
Yeah. I'm going to open the
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[0:52] flag of the United States of America and
to the republic for which it stands. One
[0:58] nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
[1:10] Does anybody have anything they need to
add to the agenda?
[1:15] If not, I need a motion to make a motion
to accept the agenda as read. Motion by
[1:20] Sher Linda, second.
Second by Cynthia. All in favor?
[1:26] Um, I need a motion to approve the
minutes of the regular meeting May 14th.
[1:32] I make a motion that we approve the
minutes as needed as printed on May
[1:36] 14th. Motion by Sharon. Do I have a
second? Second by Angela. All in favor?
[1:42] I
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[1:46] chair.
Citizens call.
[1:51] Do I have any citizens call for
business?
[1:55] call for business or to where we can
just speak up speak out. This is when
[1:59] you do. All right. I got a few things
I'd like to kind of bring up and ask
[2:03] about. Uh I know Danny resigned from his
spot. Kind of curious what was going on
[2:09] with his. I know Kendrick put a letter
of intent. I have a couple letters.
[2:15] Did we ever publish that or open it up
to the public or anything or We don't
[2:22] need to do that. We just um if there's
vacancy and you're interested, you just
[2:27] send a letter of intent. Isn't Is there
not a uh time frame that is supposed to
[2:34] be filled or No, right. No time frame.
Yeah. Fred, you might dumb.
[2:41] So
[2:45] it's a mayor mayoral appointment
um subject to consent by the council
[2:54] and the council once the appointment is
offered or it's nomination I guess the
[3:02] council can only reject that if they
pass a resolution that finds that
[3:07] someone simply does not meet the minimum
imum requirements of the position.
[3:13] Um, it's not unusual for one to stay
open for a while. It really is. I've
[3:18] been doing this a long time and it's uh
it's not unusual especially given that
[3:24] this happened what the end of the year I
think. Yeah. Yeah. With uh the weather
[3:29] and winter and everything else, but I
noticed it's only attempted. So, but
[3:34] there is no time frame involved. No. And
I just had a couple letters of it in the
[3:38] last few months. And as far as
publishing it, I mean, it's been
[3:41] announced. Yeah. And I do think there
was something posted.
[3:46] It would have either in the minutes or I
I mean, I'm just that he resigned. Yeah.
[3:52] Yeah.
[3:55] So, who who appoints him? Is it the
council or is it left up to the mayor?
[4:01] It is one of the it is one of the powers
of a mayor to
[4:06] to appoint someone subject to the
consent of the council. But that consent
[4:13] can only be withheld if they pass a
resolution that specifically finds that
[4:18] in their opinion the person does not it
I think the language is is not fit for
[4:25] the office and that has been interpreted
meaning
[4:29] let's use city clerk as an example
doesn't meet a residency requirement or
[4:34] isn't bondable you know there's some
basic fundamental
[4:39] requirement of that position that they
the council feels they don't fit or meet
[4:45] um like if they weren't a citizen or
didn't res
[4:51] and I'm very familiar with that because
that change in the law I live through um
[4:57] we had a situation in Humble that was
pretty ugly that basically kind of
[5:01] resulted in that law change or we were
part of other people that helped change
[5:07] that law.
So, is there there a way that we can
[5:12] change
[5:15] how it's uh
or who makes the decision of who is
[5:21] that's state law. That's state law.
Absolutely. State statute. I'm just
[5:24] going to throw my opinion out here and I
know a lot of citizens here in Florida
[5:28] feel the same way. Very important. Laart
feel the same way. There's a just like
[5:33] in the White House, there's a lot of
buddy system and I'm going to take you
[5:37] over you because you're my friend and
blah blah blah. But that's just my
[5:41] opinion and others around here and they
really don't care for how the city's
[5:45] being run in that sense. So the position
is filled only for the remainder of that
[5:51] unexpired term and then they must stand
for election. It's not a full term. It's
[5:56] just whatever is remaining of that term
and that's when you have a chance to
[6:00] change that. Is that the election? Yeah.
Assume the terms just came up.
[6:05] It's it's the way it is. I mean that's
that's what the law says. What I'm all
[6:10] I'm saying is my opinion is like some of
the people in here is I'm going to use
[6:15] Angela. We know it's a buddy system or
we we believe it's a buddy system of how
[6:21] you got in versus others that we feel
are more confident or
[6:28] Yes.
I mean that's my opinion and others of
[6:32] the city. So I'm just throwing that out
on the ballot like everybody else does.
[6:37] All right. I'm going to move on unless
somebody else got something to say on
[6:41] that. Nope.
citizens that I spoke to in the town
[6:49] feel that we need
more training with the fire department
[6:55] with the things that have been going on
lately.
[6:58] Uh people that were over at the other
the fire recently, they said it was a
[7:03] mess. I spoken to some other volunteers
from other fire departments.
[7:10] They said that they asked
multiple times. Do you want to call in
[7:17] backup? We'll bring out tankers. Makes
told them no. We're waiting for the tank
[7:22] for the tower to fill.
We are trying to take care of the people
[7:28] here. I understand we want to try to do
it ourselves, but sometimes you got to
[7:31] do what you got to do.
So, I don't I don't know what we're
[7:37] doing for training anymore. I used to be
on it. I know what we used to do. Does
[7:41] everybody have to be certified that's on
the fire department on the volatic? No,
[7:47] nobody has to be certified. You got to
be okay by the chief. And does the chief
[7:51] got to be certified? Does the chief need
to be certified? He He Yes, he is. He
[7:58] doesn't have to be. It's a volunteer
system. To my understanding with other
[8:02] volunteer fire departments, we have been
invited. Not we. The fire department has
[8:09] been invited multiple times for free
training and no one from the heart
[8:16] showed up.
To me, that's unjustifiable. Even if
[8:20] just one person went, they could bring
it back and share that with the rest of
[8:25] the department.
So I guess my next question is are what
[8:31] are we doing to
for our training just blowing out
[8:37] whistles or what are we doing for
training? Not doing that
[8:43] and nobody can do it because they got
this.
[8:48] Another problem is half of our fire
hydrants are buried in the ground. And
[8:53] if there's a fire, they have to go and
uny them like they did with Mr. Adair's
[8:59] fire. They had to dig that fire hydrant
out in order to access it. That
[9:04] shouldn't be right. Somebody needs to be
doing maintenance, doing maintenance on
[9:10] them.
I don't think they dig that one out. No.
[9:13] No, they didn't dig that out.
No. But no way.
[9:18] Okay. Then where did all the dirt come
from that was piled up around the fire
[9:22] hydrant? That was when they dug the hole
for the telephone pole.
[9:27] Okay. Well, that's my my
misunderstanding then. I was told they
[9:30] had to say we don't have any in ground.
Uh there's several that look really
[9:37] questionable whether you can access them
or not. And couple of them are here on
[9:43] Main Street. One of them's down by
Vicky's house.
[9:48] You just might have them drive around
and look at them. Well, you have to go
[9:52] through and flush them. So, that's I
haven't seen the fire hydrant flushed in
[9:57] the 10 years I've been. They were just
flushed in April. Yep. So,
[10:04] every one of them? Yep.
[10:10] Cuz we have to flush them.
The one on my corner never flush. They
[10:15] flush my backside that question. Mm. Um,
cuz you weren't home. I think when the
[10:21] fire department comes up, I've watched
them fight four fires in this town.
[10:27] They drive up on scene. They don't do a
perimeter check. They don't look.
[10:35] The fire down there's house. Fire was
shooting out of the back of the house.
[10:39] They didn't even know it until somebody
came up to them and said, "The fire's in
[10:46] the back of the house and they're
sitting there with a water hose spraying
[10:49] water on the front of the house
and
[10:54] it's doing absolutely no good." And then
they pow-wowed in the driveway for 10
[10:59] minutes and then went running in the
back. Now, what kind of good does that
[11:03] do?
I wasn't there, so I can't. And then and
[11:08] then they drain our water tower. No,
they didn't drain it. We did not lose
[11:13] pressure on our tower at all. Cuz if we
had them, you'd had a boil order. You
[11:18] cannot lose pressure on the tower. How
many hours did we go on this fire? Oh
[11:24] god. We didn't run out of water. No. And
I even called Larry Tony, who is our
[11:30] supplier, and we had no pressure drop
whatsoever in our tower.
[11:36] How many hours do we go on this fire? I
have no clue.
[11:41] Too long.
I know. But it was it was too long from
[11:47] the time till about 6:00 the next
morning and then they got called out
[11:51] three other times from Yeah. Well, the
house was full of clothes. That was one
[11:56] problem.
So, it's just like a hay bell smoking.
[12:00] So, yes, water was put everywhere.
There's a lake around there. So, they
[12:02] wouldn't lack water.
And it was full of stuff, you know,
[12:09] not put anybody down, but it was full of
stuff. Took lots of water and ours is
[12:15] smolders and smolders.
Didn't they have two uh layers of
[12:19] shingle on there and then metal on top
of it? Hard to get the water through the
[12:22] metal. Yeah.
[12:28] How you put
through a tin roof? I wasn't there, so I
[12:32] can't tell. I seen a video of it. I
wasn't there either. If we had had any
[12:36] wind any win at all. Yeah. You lost when
we' have lost the whole South.
[12:42] Harrison. No, you would have. Oh, yeah.
We would have had it here. You wasn't
[12:46] there. You don't know the situation. How
long do we wait before we call in mutual
[12:50] aid? How long do we let a house burn
before we call in mutual aid?
[12:56] We called in when we needed, but we
didn't need it. We was getting the water
[12:59] was needed. It was just full of stuff.
Like I said, we had a bunch of
[13:02] bystanders which next time we'll be
escorted off. They're in the way and
[13:07] we'll run our mouth. They don't know the
facts and I don't have to disclose that
[13:11] with you. That's between me and the land
owner. So, I really can't be telling you
[13:15] much.
Well, I'm I talked to some of the other
[13:19] volunteers. Well, that's them. This is
us. We got our procedure. It sounds like
[13:23] they've had a whole lot more training
than what this town has. So, they
[13:27] probably know a little bit more than
what we do cuz we don't do our damn
[13:29] training. Okay, we're done. We're done.
This is old fight when you're done. This
[13:33] is not a personal.
This is not a personal The whole town is
[13:38] trying. But it's not the point of this
particular item on the agenda. You've
[13:42] made your point. This is not a time to
be discussing or arguing about it. When
[13:46] is the time? Well, this is the time you
guys give us this. If you want to do it,
[13:52] then you need to you need to ask for a
point on the agenda where there is an an
[13:58] actual issue for the council to decide.
We're looking out for the city. You
[14:03] you've made your point. I'm assuming
it's been received that you would like
[14:09] to have more training for the fire
department looked into. That's been
[14:13] That's what I got. That's been brought
up for years now. What has it gotten
[14:17] done? We got two burnt houses down.
Multiple people knowing that we are not
[14:25] capable of taking care of things and
you're telling me that we've come up
[14:30] here as citizens and speak to the
council which is supposed to be working
[14:34] for the citiz
[14:38] what what we want to know what we're
going to do. you I think I mean you guys
[14:44] have received his comments.
I assume you'll look into it. Yes. I
[14:50] think you're wrong about training. I've
been Humbled City attorney for almost 40
[14:54] years and I would say it's a really good
department, but I don't think they do a
[14:58] lot of training like like you're talking
about. In fact, I almost know that.
[15:02] Well, I've been on the fire department.
I know what we did on training. Then
[15:07] I've talked to people that were on fire.
I'm not going to argue about that.
[15:10] council was going to argue about Sean
Reynolds come over here and look at our
[15:14] fire department. See what he thinks
about it. I that is Mark's decision. He
[15:21] is our fire and you're our mayor. Craig,
most council meetings, the public
[15:26] discussion, citizens discussion, they
usually get five minutes at a time. And
[15:31] she's being nice enough to allow you. He
can have my five minutes.
[15:37] is all these citizens are trying to say
something to you guys and you're pretty
[15:41] much saying sit down and shut up. No, if
you have an issue, put it in writing.
[15:46] Submit it. No, submit it in writing
because that's how you get stuff
[15:51] discussed. This is just going around
like this and making arguments and never
[15:55] arguing about training. We're not
arguing about nothing. Yes, you are.
[15:58] You're arguing with Mark. You're arguing
with me about how much I'm talking to
[16:01] you. I know. So if you put your concerns
on in writing, this is how you handle
[16:06] something like this. Write down these
are our concerns. One, training. Two,
[16:12] are the hydrants being flushed? Yes,
they are. Three, did we run out of water
[16:17] and lose pressure? No. But if you if you
consolidate it and and summarize it,
[16:23] then you can address things in an
orderly fashion where things are
[16:28] addressed and can be answered. But to
have a free-for-all discussion that
[16:33] flows back and forth and becomes
circular with no end.
[16:37] Like I said, to what point does this
discussion need to continue? You've made
[16:40] your point. I assume the council will
follow up. Hopefully next month you'll
[16:45] have a report back. Good. And that's the
way the procession work, but it ends. It
[16:51] doesn't need to take 15 minutes to have
this discussion going round and round.
[16:56] Well, it's it's a major concern with the
city with as citizens. Point made. Okay.
[17:03] But this is not how you handle stuff in
a in a council meeting is what I'm
[17:07] saying. You're not here every time. I'm
here almost every time. No,
[17:13] I've never seen you have that. I have
been here almost every time. I have been
[17:18] here almost every time.
Can I ask? And it's not even my job
[17:23] description to be here every time. Oh,
you got a job description? I do, as does
[17:28] everybody in the in the city. You're an
attorney? Yeah. Good.
[17:33] Can I ask one more thing? One more. I
know at when I was on the fire
[17:38] department, I got kicked off at one
point there.
[17:42] There was a firefighter that got sent to
the hospital. That's supposed to be
[17:46] county.
[17:49] Are we back on the city with them?
I don't know what you're talking about,
[17:56] Mark Wagner Jr. back when you guys
kicked me off of it. We didn't kick you
[18:02] off. That's not the council's job. That
is Mark Bark's department.
[18:08] Okay. Was the Let's forget all that. Is
he city and county? Cuz last I knew he
[18:13] was just county. Uh county.
Just county. Mutual aid was with the
[18:20] ladder truck. So
that's rule rig.
[18:25] Okay. Now we're done. Any other citizens
call for business? Jerry,
[18:36] I just want to know what I can do to
take care of that piece of property.
[18:41] Can I stay in a camper as sleeping
quarters only
[18:47] and park it on my property?
For how long? To clean up that mess.
[18:55] Cuz normally we give a time limit. Yes.
So understood. I mean when when they
[19:00] have granted the variance, they give a
time limit on it. So how long do you
[19:05] need?
[19:08] Well, no. What? What's really
reasonable? I got people that will help
[19:12] me. It'll probably be at least a couple
months, won't it, Jerry?
[19:18] I'm sure if I do it myself. Yeah. If I
was a if my insurance comes through and
[19:24] I can hire, say Ray Maloney to do it, he
can do it in a day. Well, I know when
[19:28] our house burnt, our big twotory house
burnt, I had three months to get it tore
[19:34] down. 90 days.
Okay. Should we go from there? It was a
[19:38] big twotory house. Come back and get an
extension. Come back if needed. Yes.
[19:43] Yeah. And Fred will write up some for us
and we'll have you sign it. Okay. But
[19:48] I'll need a motion
by the council for this. I'll make a
[19:54] motion that we give Jerry 90 days to
live on the property and then to come
[20:00] back if he not completed by then. Yeah,
that's a hardship. Okay. Water. I have a
[20:07] motion. How How are utilities going to
be hooked up and are you on? All it's
[20:12] going to have is electricity in it.
Okay. The house across the street also
[20:16] belongs to me, my mother and
father-in-law, but he passed away. But
[20:21] it's a small house and it it's just
easier if I sleep somewhere else. Yeah,
[20:27] I could rent a house downtown somewhere,
but the travel time I could use to do
[20:32] the cleanup if I'm right next door. So
basically you just need like an
[20:36] electrical plug in and your gray water
and black water you'll just move it out.
[20:41] I go in and shower and we eat there with
her. Oh, so you won't even have that.
[20:48] So
this is a lot simpler than the other
[20:51] ones that we're hooking in. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. No problem. Okay. So I have a
[20:56] motion by Ron. Do I have a second?
Second by Cherylyn. Any more discussion?
[21:01] All in favor?
Okay. and Fredo gets them wrote up and
[21:06] Michelle will get a hold of you and
we'll get you in here and signed and but
[21:10] you can go ahead and bring in. Okay.
Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Any other citizens
[21:15] call? Yes. I have issue with the dogs
running in the park. Okay. And the same
[21:19] old people, same old dogs
and the city don't want to do anything
[21:23] about it.
And I called Penny. I've sent pictures.
[21:27] I've called Michelle and you've called
me and you and I tried to get a hold of
[21:32] Anua but she won't answer and I've
talked to Sheridan over the years. Same
[21:37] old people, same old dogs.
Those pictures in that video has been
[21:41] sent to animal control, but it don't do
any good. You know that. Well, I don't
[21:46] know yet.
I mean, you can imagine I'm like
[21:49] invisible. And they run over there and
torment my dogs, which has never been
[21:53] loose, never even on leash, always in a
pin or in the backyard. And they come
[21:59] over and then my dogs are buddy head to
toe because they're agitating my dogs.
[22:03] Okay? And they do it on the weekends
when they know they can get by with it.
[22:06] And I holler and scream and they still
don't want to know. And Gary Bradley,
[22:11] everybody knows Gary Bradley.
Okay. I've had Wagner's dogs down at my
[22:16] house repeatedly over the years, which
they've never even had a dog ticket. And
[22:21] I don't know how many times I've picked
up diesel.
[22:25] But why do certain people get tickets
and certain people don't? Um, and
[22:30] there's other
type of opinion about and she nobody can
[22:34] answer me.
[22:38] I mean, no,
but I will start shooting them or start
[22:43] poisoning them. I'm not I'm not kidding.
When I have to pick up somebody else's
[22:48] dog in my yard, it's already
happen. And I pick up my dog
[22:53] here. Thank you. Thank you. Any other
citizens call? I got problem. Yes,
[22:59] Carrie. Um, with this new firework law
where fireworks can be sold year round,
[23:08] there is some people that is shooting
fireworks off at night in my end of the
[23:14] neighborhood.
Is that legal to be doing in within city
[23:19] limits? No.
Fire department.
[23:25] I don't I I don't think that the county
has any restriction on shooting
[23:31] fireworks any time of the year. I I
think that's right. Right. But but the
[23:35] ordinance here is Yes. It's only through
those dates that we approve
[23:42] before. Right. So we got certain people
that will blow them off two weeks before
[23:47] the court and get by with it because
they do it long enough for the law not
[23:50] to get out here. And even if the law
came out here, they say, "Oh, no, no,
[23:53] put that up.
the same people that does it
[24:00] and again we can't do nothing about it.
So it is against the law to be shooting
[24:03] them off right now. It's against a city
ordinance. Yes. Within the city limits.
[24:07] Yes. Thank you. Till what? 27th 27th to
the 5th. I think that's what it was. I
[24:14] think that's what we did. And the county
won't take care of that. Yeah. Huh.
[24:18] They'll just have them put them out.
Yeah. See the county won't handle it.
[24:21] They're going to have to have a city.
We don't have a city call. All right. So
[24:26] then it's just the way we do it. It's a
free-for-all. Free. We are. You can call
[24:31] the sheriff. Sheriff tell them. Yeah.
No, they won't. They'll tell them to put
[24:34] it out. They won't enforce our
ordinances.
[24:38] I tell you, they will tell them not to
do it. That's it. But that's all they
[24:43] can do. And I've been in the middle of
that one before. some more. Yeah.
[24:49] Well, a lot of times just sheriff
showing up will be enough to scare them
[24:53] to shut them down. Yeah. I I tried
shutting down a party one night at him
[24:56] house and it made it worse after sheriff
lock left. They got worse. It was a
[25:01] rental house. Yeah. It was our rental
house and they went over and asked who
[25:05] who called the sheriff. The sheriff that
the new deputy told him and then they
[25:10] turned up the music even louder
in the city. Huh? In the city limits.
[25:16] Yeah. Do we have a noise? Uh,
can't do anything about that. Got to
[25:22] have a Yeah, we can do anything
about
[25:27] All right. Any other citizens call?
[25:32] I have one more question. I don't mean
to be keep bugging you. Um, I want to
[25:37] know one thing. Who else knows
Michelle's job? like 100% if something
[25:45] were to happen to her and I hate to put
it in that terms but I've had two
[25:52] aneurysms one that burst and I had a
stroke so anything can happen to anybody
[25:57] at any time
and I need to know who knows Michelle's
[26:02] job 100% we have an assistant city clerk
who Penny knows Drisco Driscoll yeah Oh,
[26:12] she has she's been our assistant for
quite a while. Yeah. You call up here
[26:16] and she's like, "I don't know. You'll
have to wait till Michelle gets back." I
[26:19] can't look that up. You got to wait till
Michelle gets back. I can't do that. You
[26:23] have to wait till Michelle gets back.
[26:27] Every time Every time I call or I call
for Tim or I come up,
[26:35] what question are you asking? I mean,
that's what we need to know. Um,
[26:40] somebody with a little bit more training
to back Michelle up to help the citizens
[26:46] when we called in her
can I say something? Yeah, gets to work
[26:51] 30 hours a month. Okay. And that's not
very much time a week in the office. I'd
[26:56] love to have her 40 hours. The city
can't afford that. So Teresa is always
[27:00] working on pins and needles, afraid of
making a mistake. And I have told her
[27:04] numerous times all mistakes can be
fixed. But that is just who she is.
[27:09] She's nervous. That's who she is. She's
a very, very sweet lady. She is will
[27:14] visit with anybody, but her knowledge of
wanting to come out and answer questions
[27:18] she is very uncomfortable with because
she's afraid of saying the wrong thing.
[27:22] How long she been doing the job?
Teresa's
[27:25] she's probably know she's probably been
with us for 10 years because she was
[27:28] city treasure. She was treasure. Yeah.
She's just she's not in here enough.
[27:33] She's in here two days a week, you know,
four hours. And I mean, that's just not
[27:38] enough. And she drives from where? Out
here somewhere. And she's also a
[27:43] Bronson.
But when I go away on vacation, I mean,
[27:47] she's got it covered and I come back to
a clean desk. The other ones before her,
[27:51] I mean, I wasted my time while going on
vacation. And she's helped me a lot on
[27:55] the computer when I come in. Yeah. She
is just She's not speedy with it. I
[27:59] mean, she doesn't have as much time and
years that I have in it, right? And
[28:04] she's she's just real doubtful and I'm
trying to build her confidence up. Okay.
[28:10] So, it's not that she probably doesn't
know, just that she's she doesn't know
[28:14] how to answer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I
have Well, I think I know one of the
[28:19] questions was Tim was having problems
with his meter and I asked her um if she
[28:27] knew when they were going to come down
and put in the new meter.
[28:33] I wouldn't know that. I would work I
think even if a work order had been put
[28:39] in. Yeah. I wouldn't know that until I
reached out to somebody on maintenance
[28:43] to ask them, hey, you know, when are you
guys going to do this work order? I
[28:47] wouldn't know that. I make the work
order. We both make the work orders. We
[28:50] hang it up. If they've got something
else that takes priority over those work
[28:53] orders, they've got to do that first and
then they'll come. So, I I never know
[28:57] when a work order is going to be
completed or if if it got completed, you
[29:01] know, I don't look through them each
day. Yeah. Okay. I have work orders. The
[29:07] other concern I have is about wagon boys
riding all over town, hot riding their
[29:10] trucks. Does anybody else have that
problem? They're doing what? Hot riding
[29:14] their trucks all over town.
Don't tell me. Well, maybe I haven't had
[29:19] any Michelle, you know that they've been
turned in for 10 years since she's 15
[29:23] now they're driving, right, Michelle?
Yeah. There's nothing there's nothing we
[29:27] can do about it cuz we don't have a cop.
Exactly. And if you see
[29:32] on
[29:36] But again, I'm going to take care of
that problem on my own, too. No. Just
[29:41] have video. They can't prove it. Just
we're going to move. Okay. I'm sure the
[29:45] attorney's sitting here eating it all.
The other thing is about water bills.
[29:49] How much more you going to keep raising
their sewers and waters? I mean, we
[29:53] can't take much more than property
taxes. To be totally honest with you,
[29:58] the city I mean, we've got a $ 1.5
million sewer project. Yeah. That should
[30:02] have been fixed a long time ago with we
put money in towards something like
[30:06] before he came in office. That's for the
for something and then it all
[30:10] disappeared. I don't have a number. No,
that is for that money was set aside for
[30:14] the lagoons because it is very they have
no we have a separate account. No, you
[30:20] told us you didn't know where it went
either. Michelle said money gets moved
[30:23] around. How many citizens do we have in
in our heart? 490.
[30:28] No. Yes, we do. 293. We're down
something like that. Everybody's moving
[30:34] out. Okay.
The sewer. Okay. This is how this is
[30:38] going to work. Okay. We are trying to
upgrade our lip stations and we've had
[30:42] numerous meetings, public meetings on
our sewer lift stations. We tried to do
[30:47] the whole entire town. I cannot remember
the dollar amount. The sewer stations is
[30:50] 1.5 million. Kansas Water Office gave us
a grant for 750,000.
[30:56] We got approved for a loan through KDHE.
However, before we can touch that loan
[31:03] to pay for them, KDHE is saying your
sewer rates need to be at this amount or
[31:09] you cannot have that money. Yeah. You
guys keep moving around accounts like
[31:13] this many.
All we do is monthly transfers. We move
[31:17] the sewer reserve fund over to a
separate bank. And that's something this
[31:21] mayor started. They never did that in
the past and it was all the money was in
[31:24] one working fund and they just spent it
wherever they wanted to. We've got
[31:28] several separate accounts that can't be
touched unless it's just for sewer or
[31:33] for electric or for water. We've got
separate accounts for all that stuff.
[31:37] It's going to take us forever to get
that done. No. No. Hopefully not. We
[31:42] will. The loan with that we have, we
will start once we activate that loan,
[31:47] we will start making payments on it. And
it's a 20-year loan. I We all live here.
[31:52] I don't want to pay that. I don't want
to pay what we're paying now. But in
[31:57] order to fix our issues, we've had an
employee that put in Daniel 70 hours
[32:02] last week babysitting two lift stations.
We can't do that. I know it needs it
[32:07] needs fix. Yeah. Yeah. We We can't be
without it. We We've got to get the
[32:11] money somewhere. Yeah. And if the sewer
lift stations don't get fixed and we got
[32:15] sewer spilling all over the ground, then
we got fines from the state of Kansas.
[32:19] Is it the or is it the little bit of
everything?
[32:24] They're They're 25 years old. But if we
did the whole system, it would be over
[32:30] $7 million. How can we get grants? We
did. We're trying. She gives grants to
[32:34] everybody else and donate it. Well,
because a lot of those got stopped.
[32:38] Yeah. Did you not buy Kelly's pocket?
No, that's not a lot of those grants
[32:46] dollars. I'll tell you something. Last
last year, we tried to get a CBDG grant.
[32:54] to help with this. Y they decided they
were going after walking trails and they
[32:59] decided
that's a government that has nothing to
[33:03] do with us. And I sat in on numerous
meetings with these people trying to get
[33:09] something
this year. We got some
[33:14] a lot of money. It is a lot of money
taxes would property tax 12 or 13%. My
[33:20] owners at 3 or 4%. No.
[33:27] Okay, I think we're done.
We're going to move on.
[33:33] Um,
unfinished business, the speed bumps.
[33:39] Um, you guys have got that information.
Yeah. And also, can I share Larry called
[33:46] and said, and I know I think Fred said
he was probably against this, but Larry
[33:51] said um he used to work on construction
before and he knows how to build the
[33:57] mold or the framing
for speed bumps cuz they had to make
[34:01] speed bumps for construction work out on
the highways. I said, "Yeah, but I think
[34:05] it's got to have the yellow markers on
and he said, "Well, we could probably do
[34:08] that with fluorescent paint, but he
would fill the structures and fill it in
[34:12] with um cold patch or whatever material
they use to make those speed bumps,
[34:17] too." So, and I don't know anything
about a cost on that.
[34:22] Larry just is offering to
Does that patch break down after? Yeah.
[34:28] I'm just Yeah, I don't have to get the
signs. Yeah. Yes, we still need signs.
[34:34] I'm just throwing that out there because
Larry offered I let him try before we
[34:39] purchase these.
But we're still going to have to
[34:42] purchase the signs when he does it. So
we can put them up at the park. Yeah.
[34:50] Fred says it's okay. There's nothing.
When I was talking to Michelle, my my
[34:55] concern was if you didn't know what
you're doing, you don't want to just
[34:59] throw a bump out there and then have
cars get damaged. And you I think I some
[35:04] because I did a fair amount of research
on it. It can't be any more than 6 in in
[35:10] height at any point or something around
that
[35:17] versus the hump issue kind of thing. So
if he's had experience and and he's been
[35:25] knows what he's doing.
Okay. Anyway, I told him I mention it to
[35:29] you guys so we can either
I can't see this.
[35:34] Even if we try one, we're still going to
have to have sign. Yeah. So, we can go
[35:38] ahead and purchase the signs and then
for that
[35:43] sign because you you just you can't have
somebody hitting one at full speed not
[35:47] knowing it's there. That's going to
damage something. And we'll need signs
[35:51] going both ways, too. So, there's I have
six. I see six.
[35:56] Yeah. Yeah. Has the city got enough
money if a drunk has arrested two packs?
[36:04] As long as I got signs up.
Oh, we only need three. I looked at that
[36:10] again.
Yeah, we only need three. That's an
[36:14] insurance. Yeah, it looks like they're
three.
[36:17] Whatever. I read that question. Can a
citizen of the city put speed,
[36:25] but do we want to wait until we talk
about the law enforcement? I mean, are
[36:29] we going to need the speed bumps? It's
up to you. That's up to you guys. The
[36:34] speed bump is is is kind of a self
enforcement. Yes. I mean, it's not going
[36:39] to hinder anything. I don't
I want to go speed.
[36:45] I know. So, do we want to do we want to
set a dollar amount for Larry to try
[36:50] this or just try one and see what it
does? Well, we got cold patch down
[36:53] there, don't we? Uh-huh. Yeah, we'll
just see what it does. I want to see.
[36:56] Okay. But we got to have the signs
first. Yeah, sir.
[37:02] Make a motion we have a motion by Ron.
Do I have a second? I'll second it.
[37:07] Second by Charlotte. Any more
discussion? All in favor? Yes.
[37:12] And then we get the signs. Well, then we
can have try.
[37:19] All right. Um, thank you.
Next order of business. I do have
[37:24] another letter of intent for the council
is from Cindy Mley.
[37:30] She is back here. There she is. Um,
I know they are new to the town. They
[37:38] came from Moran. Iola.
Sorry about that. Um,
[37:46] so that is our second letter of intent.
So now that I have a couple, I'll
[37:50] probably be making the decision
probably by the next meeting.
[37:56] Yes. You said last meeting that you
would have a decision made today. I
[38:03] know. And but I got this new letter, so
I'm going to send it back in to send let
[38:10] the council get to know her any
questions they might have. Well, you
[38:15] tell me we can't interview them. Well,
you can talk to them. Well, that's the
[38:19] same as interviewing
a formal like to come in at a council
[38:24] meeting and be
but you you're free to call somebody up
[38:30] and talk to whatever ask them questions.
I mean, you can talk to them all you
[38:36] want. Okay. So, I know they're new to
town, so and I'm sure she's willing to
[38:42] talk to anybody that wants to talk to
her. Okay.
[38:47] inner letter of intent. Yes. What do you
have in it? Are we going to see it?
[38:52] Well, I just have one. I didn't make
copies. It just says I would like to put
[38:57] in for the open seat for the city
council
[39:00] and our phone number. Okay. Okay.
[39:06] All right. Um CDBG engineering
requirement.
[39:12] That's you.
Well,
[39:17] I met a couple weeks ago with Nate,
Carolyn, and Michelle to talk about um
[39:23] CDBG grants that would basically pull up
the tile floors. There are some girl
[39:30] that are loose, kind of a safety hazard,
and replace that with like CET flooring.
[39:36] We also talked about adding in um
automatic door openers for the cap
[39:41] accessibility for the entrance and the
entrance to the gymnasium.
[39:46] Um and we we kind of talked about some
of the requirements because CDBG has a
[39:51] lot of different kinds of requirements
to it. Um you guys went through that
[39:55] process several years ago. Um that was
before my time. Oh, and I guess I should
[40:00] introduce myself by the way. Sorry. I'm
Vicki with Thrive County. Um, I'm a
[40:05] grant writer and I also brought Jessica
Thompson who's our deputy director
[40:09] because she answered any questions I
don't know. So, so sorry about that. Um,
[40:15] anyway, we kind of talked about it and
uh since we met, a couple things came up
[40:22] that that uh they thought that I should
probably talk to you guys as a group
[40:26] about. Um, the main thing there's a
couple things that need to happen before
[40:31] we can submit an application. One is you
need to fill out a preliminary
[40:36] application online. And I think I I said
um you know, it's pretty simple. It asks
[40:42] a few questions about what are you
doing, why are you doing it, you know,
[40:45] pretty simple answers, but if you need
help with that, we're more than help
[40:50] happy to kind of walk you through that
process and and and kind of answer some
[40:53] of those questions for you. Um the other
thing that you will need is a public
[40:59] hearing. Um, and we were going to do
that tonight, but then we found out
[41:04] something else that kind of delayed it.
So, uh, that's again a pretty simple
[41:08] process. It's just a matter of, um, you
know, just just kind of letting the city
[41:13] know, the residents know what you're
doing and why, and they can discuss it,
[41:17] um, at that time. Does it require
publication though? Yes. Okay. Yes.
[41:22] Yeah.
Um, so the big thing, the reason why I'm
[41:26] kind of here is um, you guys had quotes
for this work and um, and I even
[41:33] calculated it uh, total. Oh, there's
also a 10% match from the city and you
[41:39] also will need to kind of hire a grant
administrator. Thrive doesn't do that,
[41:42] but again, we can help you with that
process to do that. And they'll charge
[41:46] generally charge a fee of about 10% to
10 to 12 and a half%. And um, that'll
[41:52] have to be bid. So hopefully it'll be
10% because they'll be competitive,
[41:56] right? So um but the estimates that you
had for that came up to be about
[42:03] $65,000.
So it's not going to be a huge project
[42:08] hopefully. And this is for a smaller
project. That's what this this CDEG is
[42:13] designed for. The problem is that um
unfortunately we can't use the bids that
[42:18] you got. So, they require a preliminary
engineering or architectural report um
[42:25] by a licensed professional engineer or
architect before the application be
[42:29] submitted. And that's how you'll get
kind of the cost estimate as they'll
[42:33] look at it all and kind of tell you
here's kind of what we think it'll cost.
[42:37] And then if you're move forward with the
process, if you get the award, then put
[42:42] it out for bid. The problem is if you
use the bids you got as that that
[42:48] estimate, those people those companies
can't do the work. There's a a
[42:54] restriction that they have on that. Um
and
[42:59] and then that cost I did message um the
guy with the department of commerce and
[43:05] that cost can be included as your
matching funds or part of the grant
[43:10] application in the end. Um, another
thing that you will need to pay for is
[43:17] an environmental review, but that can be
done after the grant award. Um, you just
[43:22] have to fill out a form that says, "Hey,
you will do this if awarded the funds."
[43:26] So, and that, you know, that is
something the city does have to pay for
[43:31] with local funds, but the other one can
be part of the grant. Um so I think
[43:37] those are pretty much that pretty much
catches us up in uh information as to
[43:42] where we are. So pretty much um to move
forward we'll need the uh preliminary
[43:49] engineering and architectural report
that will give us a cost estimate that
[43:53] we can use for the public hearing. And
hopefully if we can get that all done um
[43:59] the sooner the better. So hopefully we
could have maybe the public hearing in
[44:03] July. And is that in that engineering or
architecture? It's either or. It's just
[44:11] basically a cost estimate. Yeah, they're
basically it says that they will um
[44:18] uh analyze the need, determine the most
appropriate solution alternatives and
[44:22] provide. There's no engineering study or
anything. Okay. Okay. So maybe an
[44:26] estimator. Yeah. Yeah. It shouldn't be
too big of a deal hopefully. But So, um,
[44:33] do you guys have anybody anybody you
use? I mean, I'm assuming BG Consultants
[44:39] can do that work. Yeah, BG Consultants
or or um some other architecture firm
[44:46] can can do that.
[44:50] I I I mean when I talked to Michelle
about this BG who came to mind, but I'm
[44:55] sitting here thinking sometimes
Rick Zingray who's an architect in Fort
[45:01] Scott who does a lot of city work around
here. Okay. What's that name again? Z I
[45:07] N G R E. I think Rick Zingray.
I I think he's still working. He's not
[45:12] battling. Uh I mean we're all getting
old
[45:18] been a while since I've seen but anyway
he he's pretty reasonable and if all
[45:22] you're needing is an estimator he he
might be more reasonable than BG at
[45:26] their rates but it's worth a phone call
you need he's in the book in in Yates in
[45:31] Fort Scott. Okay. He's done a lot of
work for the Iola housing authority when
[45:38] they were redoing a lot of stuff. He's
done work for Humble. He's done work
[45:43] for
just he's done a lot of work over here
[45:47] and he kind of caters to smaller
communities like this. So
[45:53] and he's an AIA certified architect. So
he would fit the bill. Okay. Got it.
[46:02] Is there a timeline on this? There's the
deadline is November, but I believe it's
[46:07] like sort of it's first come first
serve. So once the funds are out there
[46:13] Yeah. So we were trying to get in on the
head end of it
[46:19] and say we would um get this does that
disqualify us from future CBD jeep to
[46:28] whatever it is CDBG grants for a period
of time. Uh so you can't have more than
[46:35] one going on at a time. So, if it takes
you a year to do this, then you can
[46:41] apply for another one next year. But if
it takes you two years to do it, then
[46:46] you can't apply for one until you're
done with the project.
[46:58] Anything
[47:06] else? No. Anybody else have any more
questions on it?
[47:12] Give them a call. All right. We will get
into it. Okay. All I can do you ready
[47:17] for the next step? Okay. Sure. Will. Is
that a 10day notice on the publication
[47:21] do you think? I can't remember. I think
so. Here.
[47:27] All right. Um the sewer charge days
before the hearing. Okay. Sorry. Sewer
[47:33] charge variance. Um we have
sorry GIS I skip
[47:42] GIS system code.
[47:52] Is this the one that they said if we
want to go with it, we can get the they
[47:55] can help us with the grant to get it?
But then they also say they wanted us to
[48:01] recruit people
or I don't have the email with me. Um it
[48:07] would be more successful if several
communities went together. You're right.
[48:12] Yes. Well, the only thing I can see that
they're going to do is it's simple. Take
[48:18] your cell phone over there, take a
picture of that map, send it to your
[48:22] email, pull it up on your computer, and
there it is. Why spend $13,000 for
[48:28] something you can do right now in a
minute, less than a minute? Those guys
[48:33] can pull these up on their phones.
Save us $13,000.
[48:43] I mean, that's common sense to me.
That's my opinion. Well, I'm not for
[48:48] doing it anyway. We can't I mean that
$13,000 we could spend somewhere else.
[48:54] I mean, Penny's put a lot together. She
knows where a lot of these are. She's
[48:57] designed her own map. Yeah. The map that
we had wasn't up to date. The lines
[49:03] aren't where they say they are. It would
be more convenient, but I think we're
[49:07] beyond that point right now. We're not
big enough to do it. We're not big
[49:10] enough. Financially, I don't think we
could afford to do it. It's a wonderful
[49:14] program, but it's not I just don't think
it stable. We can always go back to it
[49:18] later. Like we can always go back. We
don't have to do it right now. We can go
[49:22] two years from now.
[49:29] I think we ought to just put this on
hold. Okay.
[49:34] That's what we'll do. Is that what
everybody else wants to do? That's what
[49:38] it'll be. Okay.
Right. Now we're moving on to the sewer
[49:44] versions. Um
can I copy?
[49:50] Okay. Um
[49:56] I wrote a letter. Yeah. She's asking for
variance for a property that um
[50:05] she just wants water on, not sewer.
and she wants to not pay the sewer
[50:14] charges for the water
because it doesn't have any dwellings on
[50:20] it or anything and she's going to use it
for a garden.
[50:28] Is there a meter there now? Water there
now. There is meter and water.
[50:33] She's one that turned on symbol water
test for water.
[50:38] Well, the only thing with this is if we
do it for one, we got to do it for
[50:41] everybody. Yeah. And how many other
properties in town have water?
[50:48] Well, with four shut them off with the
I don't know anything about this. Yeah.
[50:55] But I'm saying we kind of went through
this with TLC as I recall too. Yes, we
[51:00] did. But this is a a vacant lot with no
structure on it that has no sewer
[51:06] attachment or anything. It's it's just a
hydrant versus a house that has an
[51:12] outside hydrant that is for a garden.
Correct. Okay. Yeah. I think there's a
[51:16] distinction between that situation and
this one. Three other people though that
[51:19] just had garden spots with a spet and it
on a lot with the house. Nate. Okay. And
[51:27] if a house would ever go in there then
obviously There's a meter on there.
[51:30] They'll still have to pay a meter charge
and they still have to pay for water,
[51:33] but they won't have a sewer charge
because it's not going down the sewer.
[51:37] Yeah. There's no sewer service. So,
yeah. Okay.
[51:46] You could almost create a separate
water charge point in your ordinance for
[51:52] something like that and define exactly
what what would qualify.
[51:58] vacant lot, no other structures.
[52:07] So, do I need a motion on this?
[52:11] I think we should um notify the people
who have the same situation and offer
[52:18] them the same conditions because that
was the reason they they turned it off
[52:24] and I don't think that would be fair.
Well, the ones that turned it off, they
[52:28] didn't want to pay the interchange.
No, they didn't want to pay because they
[52:34] but they didn't want to either. They
could keep it. We told them they No, we
[52:38] told them mine's right there behind me,
but she didn't want to pay for the
[52:40] meter. No, they didn't want to pay the
sewer charge. Yeah, they didn't pay that
[52:44] either. They came in and asked and and
you guys wouldn't bend on that. You
[52:48] said, "No, if you got water, you got to
pay sewer."
[52:52] So, they shut them off. Cuz I fill in
the pool. Then I'd say let's not do it.
[52:57] Just leave it the way it is, I guess.
[53:02] So then you're saying that I got a water
meter across my street, my my house. I
[53:08] if I turn that on, I have to pay sewer
charge for water that's not even going
[53:12] down the sewer. That's what they
evidently told the other people. I mean,
[53:17] that's stupid. I know. I agree.
I mean, why would I want to pay $40 some
[53:23] dollars just to my water my garden
[53:28] out of my meter? To me, if the lot's
vacant and the meter's already on there
[53:32] and it's val or
go back and put an ordinance in there
[53:38] and make an ordinance and if you have a
vacant lot, this is what we charge you.
[53:42] And if you don't have vacant lot, this
is what we charge you. We can go with
[53:46] that route, too. We can do an ordinance
for the vacant launch with the meters on
[53:50] it just for the garden or we can do none
or we can do it the way we're doing it
[53:55] now. There's another option. You got
options to these ideas. Well, that's why
[54:00] most of them are shut off, right? Cuz
they don't want to pay the sewer. But if
[54:03] you come up with say like an ordinance
like Fred suggested like or we could do
[54:08] say, "Hey, this is what we're charging
you for the baking with the on
[54:16] So keep in mind the more restrictions we
have.
[54:20] This is a we're we're coming up with the
solution. Well, see a lot of them the
[54:25] problem was the mine was on their house
too and they didn't want to put in a
[54:30] separate meter.
They all had they all had separate
[54:34] meters. They all had with a separate
meter and when they didn't do this they
[54:38] would have to pay for two meter charge
meter. But they had to
[54:43] regardless of whether they wanted to or
not. To follow up with what Angela was
[54:47] saying is if you created a a new
category of water consumer
[54:54] that is only available for a vacant pot
with a outside hy with a hydrant and a
[55:01] separate meter where they would pay the
applicable water rate and the meter
[55:06] charge.
It's a new user. It's a new consumer and
[55:10] it's more volume that you're selling,
[55:17] right? And and you wouldn't have to have
people come all the time for asking for
[55:22] and then if you want to see the
property, then you know, you're more
[55:25] than welcome to be like, "Okay, that one
has, you know, go by." And then you
[55:31] probably need to address too that it was
a vacant lot, but they decide they want
[55:34] water on it.
Who's going to pay for putting that in?
[55:38] You're going to have to have to outline
all
[55:41] that. They're going to have to have a
meter and we'll and you need to tell
[55:44] them how many foot they can have the
meter from the street. Otherwise, you're
[55:47] going to have people coming in here
wanting
[55:50] two acres. Is isn't that basically a new
tap? Yeah.
[55:58] I know. But we have to that that's the
option. So need to know they need to
[56:02] know what the full options are before
well we have to get the ordinance like
[56:06] if we want to go with the or like get in
the ordinance we have to build the
[56:09] ordinance. Yeah. So you want to see what
Frank can come up with as far as you can
[56:15] go ahead and approve if you want to and
then I'll come up with something that
[56:19] cuz she's already got one there.
Well, a lot of them have them there.
[56:23] Yeah, like Cynthia said the other ones
have there too. I think we should reach
[56:27] out to them and let them know that we
are making this consideration and give
[56:33] them that that option.
[56:37] But they have the meter there.
[56:42] Yeah, but I'm sure she's on the water
garden.
[56:45] Well, not right now, but what is I if if
you approve it, I would love to turn it
[56:52] on and pay that. And honestly, we know
the water's probably going to stop
[56:56] raining. So, I would I would like to use
this as soon as possible if if approved.
[57:04] And that would be a residential rate,
right? Yes. Yes.
[57:14] So, right now with this being in front
of us, we need to Do you want to make a
[57:19] motion to grant this? Do you want to
wait? Anyone?
[57:25] She'd like to be able to use it now.
Well, then you'll make motion.
[57:34] You can make a motion. You need to get
the Yeah, we'll get the rest of it. Fred
[57:38] needs to draw something up on it. Yeah.
And our computer system will handle it
[57:44] on fill in the water. Sure, Michelle.
Yeah. Okay. So, we've got to make a
[57:49] motion that we could this here pending
what the forest deal comes up with.
[57:55] Well, what you approve it tell me to
come back with something that kind of
[58:00] takes care of it. Takes care of
everything. It she says it's going to
[58:04] turn hot and dry here real fast. Yeah,
it will. It will. So, do I have a motion
[58:08] to approve this? I'll make a motion we
approve it. Okay. I have a motion by
[58:12] Sherman. Do have a second. Second.
Second by Ron. Any more discussion? All
[58:16] in favor?
Okay. Now, now Fred,
[58:22] we'll have you go back
up. Okay.
[58:32] Okay. Um, next
we need to
[58:39] we the roof is done or getting done um
back in
[58:47] May of 24 when we decided to go with
this bid. Um you guys had decided of
[58:53] where the funds were coming out of.
Um
[58:58] this is being brought back before you
because we need to resend this vote.
[59:04] And instead of just taking
10,000 out of fitness, we can take 15.
[59:13] And then the other it's like it's close
to 35,000.
[59:19] We can take five out of water, sewer,
electric, and general. So that would
[59:25] cover the whole expense. But when you
voted, you voted to take the 25 out of
[59:32] the electric fund and and all of our
funds are looking pretty good. So I just
[59:37] seem to spread the
spread it around.
[59:42] So, I need a motion to resend this vote.
[59:52] Make a motion resend this vote we made
back
[59:56] in 20 24. Okay. I have a motion by Ron.
Do I have a second? I'll second. Second
[1:00:02] by chairman. Any more discussion?
All in favor?
[1:00:07] All right. Now I need a motion to take
the funds out of 15,000 out of fitness,
[1:00:15] 5,000 out of each of water, sewer,
electric, and general. Right.
[1:00:24] I can make a motion. We take um 5,000
out of explorer and serve in general.
[1:00:32] Thank you. And then 15 out of fitness.
15 out of fitness. Fitness. Fitness.
[1:00:38] Okay.
Okay. I have a motion by my wrong. Do I
[1:00:41] have a second? I'll second. Second by
shar. Any more discussion?
[1:00:52] Law enforcement. Ron, you're up. Yeah.
We need a cop. We need him bad because
[1:00:58] there was a couple Yes. Just the other
day, wife and I was sitting out on the
[1:01:01] front porch
and this car was coming down by the
[1:01:05] church, little gray car.
Next thing you know, this big old truck
[1:01:10] come flying around and passing right on
Main Street.
[1:01:14] And in the evening and in the early
morning, I guarantee you biggest share
[1:01:20] of them people that go through town are
flying between 50 and 60 miles an hour
[1:01:24] for the school. I don't know if
everyone's good or not. Just anybody.
[1:01:28] Yeah. I mean, they fly up and down
Harrison. Yeah. It's all over. We need
[1:01:35] to do something.
All right, Fred. So, I was going to
[1:01:39] bring this up under my thing.
No, no, no. I'm glad you did because it
[1:01:45] it uh
does yours much better. So, I've talked
[1:01:50] to a couple of you people. You people
I've talked to a couple of you. Um, I'm
[1:01:55] not sure if I ever addressed the whole
council or not, but I have had this idea
[1:01:58] in my head for a long time that there
has to be a way to work a deal with the
[1:02:03] county.
And I had Michelle run some numbers a
[1:02:08] while back about what you have spent on
law enforcement over the last several
[1:02:13] years and what that has brought in as
far as traffic funds
[1:02:20] and with what those budget numbers were.
I think you could probably
[1:02:27] offer the county almost a full-time
position without having any of that.
[1:02:34] Um,
[1:02:37] don't even have to furnish them a car.
Yeah. Without all that other stuff
[1:02:42] that you now and I keep hearing things
like, well, they can't afford. Those are
[1:02:48] just roadblocks to be worked around. I
mean, I I've
[1:02:52] I've spent 40 years priding myself on
thinking outside the box. I have an
[1:02:58] appointment with the sheriff next
Wednesday. Okay. I've told him I have no
[1:03:02] authority. I'm just there to brainstorm
to see if something couldn't be worked
[1:03:07] out. And I typed up a list of things I
would like you two to come up with
[1:03:12] before then. And I went off and left it
in my printer. But it's basically what
[1:03:16] hours would you like somebody here
regularly? If it's morning and evening,
[1:03:21] school time,
what what's what's our wish list? The
[1:03:25] second one was uh what specific days
would be a good to have him here? Fourth
[1:03:32] of July,
uh heart days, whatever. Let's see. Um,
[1:03:39] and then random things like I had to ask
the sheriff today to have someone here
[1:03:43] for court this afternoon, which he
graciously sent over his his under
[1:03:49] sheriff uh on a day he was extremely
thin on his on his crew because three of
[1:03:56] them were subpoenaed into court. And so
he was run in a really tight chip, but
[1:03:59] he still sits. But anyway, in talking
with him just on the phone and setting
[1:04:04] up this meeting, he seems receptive. new
sheriff in town. Your situation's
[1:04:10] different. I would like to just
be have your blessing, I guess, to go
[1:04:17] see if there's something that we could
work out. If the answer is no, you're no
[1:04:21] worse off. But the problem here is
finding a quality person for a part-time
[1:04:28] job.
Um, secondly, keeping them
[1:04:34] and the
uncertainty of what that budget item is
[1:04:39] going to require. I mean, it gets out of
hand as I think we've experienced
[1:04:45] and not having the the personnel issues,
not having the all the associated costs.
[1:04:52] And I've asked you to list go through
and get a true picture of what it costs
[1:04:57] the city to hire somebody. I don't know,
but like I I think probably our
[1:05:02] insurance goes up from a liability
standpoint because law enforcement
[1:05:08] that wouldn't be the case. Your share of
FICA, your health insurance, um
[1:05:12] retirement, retirement, the Yeah. caper,
the certifications, the training, the
[1:05:20] ammo for the firing. If we could strike
a deal that says we'll pay X number of
[1:05:26] dollars. this is what we want as we know
we're going to have coverage these
[1:05:31] times. These are the other times we
would like coverage and you're going to
[1:05:35] be on call for when we need you, you
know, if if there's a situation, right?
[1:05:41] The thing about
having law enforcement, if you don't
[1:05:44] have 24/7,
they're going to they're going to break
[1:05:47] the law when no one's here. That's just
that's
[1:05:51] the way it is. And so if you don't have
somebody here, you're not going to get
[1:05:55] somebody a ticket. But if but if there's
a regularity to it and then also a
[1:06:00] randomness to it, at least people know
there's there's a law enforcement
[1:06:06] element in town. And with what I think
we could offer, I think he could supply
[1:06:13] that and probably help his department a
little bit too because it would give him
[1:06:19] more manpower to supplement other
things.
[1:06:23] Yeah, there's going to be some give and
take. We got a lot of things to work
[1:06:25] out, but I would I don't want to go in
there if I don't have your support to at
[1:06:29] least explore it. What about you said
like the traffic violations would go
[1:06:34] through district court and we'd keep
animal code here. That's my assumption
[1:06:39] because I don't think they want to have
to send somebody over here for court
[1:06:42] every day, right? And the the dollars
that you told me we collected in in
[1:06:47] traffic fines was minimal. Mhm. So the
code enforcement which is Penny which is
[1:06:53] basically
for the last several years has been what
[1:06:57] 80% of our dock we can handle that in in
here. So you'd lose the you lose the
[1:07:03] fine money that was going for the
traffic but in in comparison
[1:07:10] it's a nice trade-off I think. Well also
let me why I have okay attorney's fees
[1:07:15] for courtapp appointed we wouldn't have
to do those anymore. I don't know what
[1:07:19] we've gone unreimbured for jail fees. I
know we don't always collect those back
[1:07:23] cuz when people don't pay, they don't
pay. We don't have that anymore. That's
[1:07:27] all in the county. Not only that, if the
judge does issue a warrant, there's a
[1:07:31] possibility we won't have the the
individual brought out here because
[1:07:35] they're not there to transport back and
forth. I just had that phone call and I
[1:07:39] called Fred immediately. It's like,
well, you call the sheriff. We worked it
[1:07:43] out. Yeah. Uh,
and it worked out okay, but it was still
[1:07:48] a bit of a beg to get somebody here for
court, which was um,
[1:07:54] nice to have. Let's just say that. It's
got to be better than not having to cop.
[1:07:58] Yeah. And and and the truth is, you
know, small towns can't afford it. You
[1:08:04] really can't. And I I've almost, if this
works, I'm tempted to pick up the phone
[1:08:10] and call Moran and say, "You guys need
to do this, too." Mhm. Um well gas is
[1:08:15] the same way is it? Well I didn't have a
constable or anything
[1:08:20] I think I think there would be a in this
short distance there would be a good
[1:08:26] area here to patrol. The things I wanted
to say too you wouldn't have to worry
[1:08:29] about vacation and all that. So it's a
lot of these benefits of what eats
[1:08:34] alive. But my main concern is will they
and can they enforce our city
[1:08:39] ordinances? Well, you're paying for a
ser. Yes, that there's a workaround
[1:08:43] around that. That's that's that's one of
the frustrating things I hear when
[1:08:48] people just say, "Well, we can't do it."
Well,
[1:08:51] let's find a way to do it instead of
saying we can't. Yeah, there's a way to
[1:08:55] do that. I haven't quite sorted it out,
but if nothing else, they they become a
[1:09:00] deputy. I mean, there's a way.
interlocal government agreement I I
[1:09:05] think would probably be also work to
just say they are now part of LAR uh
[1:09:12] hours you could still probably have that
like we had before so I think it would
[1:09:15] be a terrific idea I think it's worth
checking into so your homework before
[1:09:19] next Wednesday at 1:00 okay is to sit
down and I I apolog I
[1:09:25] nicely typed it's so neat and it's
sitting in my printer oh yeah so I'll
[1:09:30] I'll email it to you tomorrow okay
that'll work But I would like to know
[1:09:35] just of what it is you're looking for as
far as numbers of hours, dates. Um, and
[1:09:42] then I think you guys need to get a
handle on what you guys have spent over
[1:09:45] the last several years. And I think
you're going to be surprised. We got a
[1:09:48] car sitting up there. I was going to
say, what are we going to do with that
[1:09:52] $35,000 car that Well, that's part of
the poker chips on my side. That's part
[1:09:57] of the poker chips on my side. We came
out good on the last one, and I'm sure
[1:10:00] we do the same this time. But you're
probably still paying insurance on it,
[1:10:03] right? Yeah, we have to. Yeah, that's my
point. It's it's a drain.
[1:10:09] And I think this might be a longer term
solution if and again, new new sheriff
[1:10:16] in town, new ideas, right? Not so many
preconceived
[1:10:21] notions. We can outline the holidays
where we want coverage and all that.
[1:10:25] Yeah. Yep. So, are you guys okay with
him going forward? Yeah,
[1:10:30] and I talked about I have no authority.
I've been upfront with you. I said I
[1:10:34] have no negotiating authority. I'm just
here to explore ideas. So, well, we we
[1:10:38] need some coverage. You got three
daycarees that come down there and go to
[1:10:41] our park and they're not going 20 mph
down that road. Yeah. And I'm worried
[1:10:45] about some kids life.
So, we need this.
[1:10:50] If we can work something like that out,
it'd be great. Yeah. If you need me to
[1:10:54] help with time to put in on it, I will.
Okay. So, Brad get all get together.
[1:11:01] We'll get that done. All right. The next
order removal bid for 406 South
[1:11:08] McKenley.
[1:11:12] Only got one bid.
I know.
[1:11:17] Um from Ray and it's $1,200. $1,200.
That's pretty.
[1:11:25] So I need a motion to accept. I'll make
a motion.
[1:11:29] Motion by Ron. Do I have a second?
I'll second it. Second by
[1:11:37] second by chairman. And all in favor?
How are we paying for this? Um it will
[1:11:41] come out of
[1:11:45] general
that's under because last month we we
[1:11:50] did two. Yeah. Yeah. We did two of them
last month. Yeah. Yeah. So, it'll come
[1:11:54] out of general.
[1:11:58] All right. Moving on. All in favor? Oh,
all in favor. Sorry.
[1:12:04] Okay.
Fred, that was my
[1:12:10] shot my on that one. Um Roy is not Oh,
hi Roy. I was going to say you're not
[1:12:15] here. How are you? I'm good. I'm good.
Nothing new here. Good.
[1:12:20] Um
um you'll see Wait a minute. We got a
[1:12:24] water hydrant. Yeah. Larry Tony stopped
in the office today. Very upset. Um
[1:12:30] their water hydrant or their fire
hydrant, water hydrant, whatever you
[1:12:34] want to call it. The blue one. Somebody
attempted to turn on whatever is they
[1:12:39] broke it. So he was in town this
afternoon fixing it. They're having a
[1:12:43] meeting tomorrow night. Public wholesale
is. And he said he'll have Roy report
[1:12:48] back to me. He's probably going to ask
for some reimbursement
[1:12:54] on it.
Okay. Who tried to do that? I don't
[1:12:59] know. I I don't know. Maybe Roy will
find out more tomorrow night. I'll find
[1:13:04] out
over by the water
[1:13:10] straight east. Okay. Jog over Taylor.
That one right there on the corner.
[1:13:15] Yeah. He said it was broken and Okay.
Right away somebody going to hit that
[1:13:18] thing. That's like 4 foot down the
ditch. Yeah. That's weird. Okay. Okay.
[1:13:24] Okay. All right. Penny, I have her
monthly her Yeah. Her monthly report.
[1:13:31] Anybody wants to read it? Mark, you're
up. We have the minutes.
[1:13:36] Yeah. We'll get back on the whistles
when it kind of was raining. We want to
[1:13:40] hear from y. Okay. That's all we got
going right now.
[1:13:46] Um, thank you guys.
Work orders.
[1:13:52] Michelle, you're up. Only thing I got on
the work orders, they're not always
[1:13:55] putting an address on there.
[1:14:01] Okay. Okay. I told Michelle, is it on
all of them or just part of some?
[1:14:09] Okay. Okay. I received a
insurance check on um Jerry Jerry
[1:14:17] Adair's place. He knows that we have
this check. I didn't know what it was
[1:14:22] for, but state law says all Kansas
communities have a 15% lean ordinance on
[1:14:30] their homeowners insurance. And this
check is for a little over 9,000.
[1:14:36] And what we're what the city is entitled
to do with this is to hold on to it
[1:14:40] until the city is satisfied with the
clearing of his property and then
[1:14:45] release the funds to him. If it he
doesn't get done in a timely manner, the
[1:14:49] city can go in and pay somebody to do it
and he'll get the difference. Okay. But
[1:14:55] it also when I was looking at our
ordinance and I found that out from the
[1:14:58] insurance lady because I haven't seen
one of these in 12 years that I've been
[1:15:01] here like what do I do with this? I also
found
[1:15:06] that with these, it's in our fire
ordinance.
[1:15:11] Um,
we have to
[1:15:18] [Music]
uh we have to open a fund as the fire
[1:15:22] insurance proceed fund. All monies
receive received as provided by this
[1:15:27] article should be placed in said fund
and deposited in an interest bearing
[1:15:31] account. Well, I've talked to Fred about
it after CO. I mean, I've been here
[1:15:36] almost 13 years, and this is the first
one I've ever seen. And he suggested a
[1:15:41] separate line item in QuickBooks that
this is fire fun. This is Jerry's money
[1:15:47] whenever he gets the property cleared.
Yeah.
[1:15:52] After we talked, I I had another
thought. Do you have a fund or an
[1:15:56] account with the state for like your
excess money that's they they invest?
[1:16:02] Okay. Not with the state. Well, you can
just stick it in there and get some
[1:16:05] interest on it. When does that
[1:16:09] has to be cash within so many days?
After 180 days, six months,
[1:16:17] they did the same thing to us. It's a
handful. Yeah. And
[1:16:23] when I got our h Well, when we had to
have when we got the house cleaned up,
[1:16:26] we got our money back plus interest.
Yeah. And and that's the issue. So we
[1:16:31] can find out. So we need we can find out
what the state interest is and pay him
[1:16:35] the difference. So
[1:16:40] well, I think what I think you could
find out what a local bank's interest
[1:16:45] would be for count. Okay. But much, you
know, it's $8 $9,000. I think it they're
[1:16:52] supposed to get cleaned up within like
90 days or something. I did the
[1:16:56] calculation. It's like $8 a month. So,
my thought was it might be easier to
[1:17:03] just put it in your fund, your general
fund as a separate fund. Put Sorry, two
[1:17:10] wrong terms there. Put it in your
general account. Okay. as a separate
[1:17:14] fund, which means it has a separate page
and you track it separately. It's
[1:17:17] segregated, but it's still comming.
Yeah. And then if they want interest,
[1:17:23] you write them a check for $24 from you.
Okay. Okay. Because otherwise, you're
[1:17:28] going to have to run into the bank and
sign new cards and and you're going to
[1:17:33] get 2% or 3% on your Well, when they
just put it in a general fund, but our
[1:17:39] checking account doesn't get interest.
We just
[1:17:47] I'm just asking that question.
So his 90 days starts tonight. 90 days
[1:17:52] starts tonight. Yeah.
Your 90 days starts tonight. Thanks.
[1:18:01] I'm going to ask you questions like
[1:18:11] you know you put now because they've
allowed Do you care if it's on interest
[1:18:16] or not? That's what I like. No, I just I
just want to get it done. Yeah, that's
[1:18:20] my thought too. Yeah, I mean it's it's
probably less than 20 bucks total. You
[1:18:24] kept the whole $20. So, it's a lot of
hassle to open up a whole new account.
[1:18:32] So, in the 90 days when he if he's
completed, can Penny okay that or does
[1:18:38] the council need to go okay that before
releasing this? I think if this is my
[1:18:43] opinion. Y
I think that's Penny's job. Okay. If
[1:18:48] Kenny's happy, we're good. You're good.
You're not Yeah. Get a hold of us
[1:18:53] whenever you've got it all cleared.
Yeah. Like And if she signs off on it,
[1:18:58] she'll cut you a check. Yeah. That's
Yeah. The insurance company said you
[1:19:01] were aware of all this and Yes. Okay.
had a good adjuster. Okay. Okay. They
[1:19:07] explained all that to me. Okay. Good.
Yeah. That's what she told me. It's
[1:19:10] like, okay, good. Okay. So, we'll do
that. Okay. Um,
[1:19:16] Kyle
emailed me and he he would like to set
[1:19:20] up the 2026 budget meeting Monday, July
7th at 6:00 with our budget hearing then
[1:19:28] at the August
meeting, council meeting. And the reason
[1:19:33] why July 7th, yes, because if we have to
exceed our RNR, it needs to be turned
[1:19:39] into the county clerk
by July 20th before. You have to simply
[1:19:44] give the clerk a letter that says you're
going to exceed the RNR by July 15th.
[1:19:49] 15. Okay. Thank you. But you can have
your you can have your hearing later.
[1:19:54] It's just you have to give her notice
because then she sends out a Yeah. Yeah.
[1:19:58] But you should be getting like just talk
to her today. You should be getting your
[1:20:02] information from her to finish your
budget like in the next day or two. She
[1:20:05] said because you have a July one
valuation that factors into that in your
[1:20:11] budget worksheet. didn't matter.
So, will July 7th work for everybody at
[1:20:17] 6? It won't work. But what do you I can
we have ball games that night? We're at
[1:20:24] tournament that night. But we can I can
call Who's doing this for you?
[1:20:31] Um down there.
Yeah. Okay. They're just coming to
[1:20:35] discuss the budget. Okay. That's not
your hearing.
[1:20:40] Yeah. This is if we have to need to
receive RNR, we can get this to right
[1:20:45] because your notice for your hearing has
to say whether or not you want. Okay,
[1:20:48] I'm with you now. Sorry.
It's on Monday.
[1:20:58] Let this go by. Yeah.
[1:21:09] You should have heard her couple.
[1:21:15] I'll get two signatures.
As far as
[1:21:23] this last thing over there, right now
I'm recording
[1:21:28] this council meeting because I've had
some citizens ask if we would live
[1:21:31] stream and I personally do not want to
live stream on Facebook because I get
[1:21:37] sick and tired of comments on Facebook.
I know you can turn them off. I don't
[1:21:41] want nothing to do with Facebook on our
videos. However, I am recording this to
[1:21:46] see if I can post a video on our
website,
[1:21:51] our city website, like Iola does, you
know, with a link of the day of council
[1:21:56] meeting and people can get in there and
view it at their own time and won't be
[1:21:59] able to comment on it. They'll just sit
there and watch it like watching a TV
[1:22:03] show.
But I didn't know how you guys felt
[1:22:07] about that. Or like I said, I just had a
few ask if we could live stream. I'm not
[1:22:14] a fan of the live. No, I don't like
Facebook.
[1:22:19] Facebook. So, you okay with the just
recording it and then we just put it on
[1:22:24] our website? They can't comment on it.
Well, it it' be a link and all they
[1:22:29] could do is watch it. It's just a video
file with that you put the link to the
[1:22:33] video. It's pretty much just watching
what we you just watch, right? You can't
[1:22:38] comment. You can't And then if you have
a concern, then they can come up like,
[1:22:41] "Hey, that council meeting, this is what
we heard." And then But I'm also
[1:22:44] wondering, you know, how that this
feed's going to be with hearing
[1:22:48] everybody's Yeah. discussion.
Yeah. This is just trial right now. We
[1:22:53] may need, you know, an extra different
sitting in here anyway. Yeah. And I
[1:22:58] didn't I I'm fine with it. I am too.
Go for it. That's it. Okay.
[1:23:18] All right. Um do that.
Anything else to discuss on the agenda?
[1:23:26] So, did we buy a mower?
Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Did I miss
[1:23:30] the bill?
We bought the mower. You guys approved
[1:23:35] it. Yeah, we approved it, but I didn't
see Yeah, we spent a lot less than what
[1:23:38] we needed. It was on I think we put on
the credit. Uhhuh. It was through Home
[1:23:43] Depot. Yeah. Okay. I didn't see anything
which I guess that's bills. I can email.
[1:23:50] I never thought about that. I can email
you, but it was a lot less than what you
[1:23:52] guys like 3,900 or something. Have we
heard anything on the other? Um, yes. He
[1:23:59] says, "Yes." Um, they don't make that
engine anymore, so it's going to be a
[1:24:03] Kawasaki engine. Mhm. And RNR is just
waiting on them to send it to them so
[1:24:08] they can put it in. Sweet.
Okay. So,
[1:24:13] in a few days.
All right. Nothing wrong with the
[1:24:16] Kazaki.
Anything else? If not, um, I need a
[1:24:21] motion to go into executive for 10
minutes on non-elective. I need a motion
[1:24:29] to go to
executive for 10 minutes. Motion by
[1:24:35] Angela. I do have a second. I'll second
it. Second by Ron. All in favor?
[1:24:43] Just second. We got to all get out of
here. I got
[1:24:53] I got pause on this
turn. I forgot about that. That's going
[1:24:59] to be all right.
So, I need a motion to come back into my
[1:25:05] session. Make a motion to come back.
Motion by doing a second. Second by
[1:25:12] Angela. All in favor?
[1:25:16] coming back. Yeah.
[1:25:22] Cherylyn Angela. Yeah.
And everybody.
[1:25:27] All right. So, do I have another motion?
I make a motion that we give uh I can
[1:25:34] state the amount, right? Yeah. That we
give him a 50 cent an hour raise.
[1:25:38] Keith. Keith. Yeah. I have a motion by
Charlie. Do you have a second? Second.
[1:25:43] Second by Angela. Any more discussion?
Effective when?
[1:25:50] So on this on this week? This week.
Okay.
[1:25:54] All in favor.
All right. I have to. Yeah. Huh.
[1:26:01] Okay. All right.
[1:26:07] Treasures report. Anybody got any
questions, comments, or kind? Sorry.
[1:26:13] I I think we're doing pretty good, guys.
Are we finished with BG? Cuz I seen an
[1:26:18] email. We owe like a that 1,800. I think
we've got the money in the I like missed
[1:26:25] that. No, we've got the money in that. I
know. I'm like, no, we've got the money
[1:26:31] in that sewer fun.
I did make a note just so I can keep
[1:26:36] track of it so when we do get the grant
money or loan money, we can get all
[1:26:41] these stuff. the stuff paid back. Yeah,
like you did the the power upgrade.
[1:26:47] Yeah, we need to make sure we get this
stuff paid back.
[1:26:51] But I was just sharing it with you guys
so you remember it, too. We appreciate
[1:26:54] that. Okay. Anything else on treasure?
Okay, we'll follow for audit. I need a
[1:27:02] motion to approve the bills.
Make a motion approve the bills. Motion
[1:27:07] by Angela. Do I have a second? No,
second. Second by Rolling. Any
[1:27:11] discussion? All in favor? I'd like the
bill for my own. I know. All in favor?
[1:27:19] Motion to adjurnn. Okay. I make a motion
to go home. Motion by Angelus, second by
[1:27:25] Cherylyn. All in favor. All right, we're
done.
[1:27:29] All right.
[1:27:45] May, I wanted to meet you. I'm Gail. My
granddaughters are Austin's daughters.
[1:27:51] Oh, really? Hi. Hi. How are you? I'm
fine. I keep I keep like I'll see to
[1:27:58] have the girls and I was like, one of
these days we'll have something and I'll
[1:28:01] see you and I go, these are your girls,
too. Yeah, they are. There's
[1:28:07] I know. They're growing up so fast.
Yeah, she does. She's a cruel all the
[1:28:13] way. All over.
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean
[1:28:20] Yeah. And when she was going to send
that to us before you release