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I'd like to officially call to order the

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regularly scheduled traffic and parking

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commission meeting of January 5th, 2026.

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Let the record show that all

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commissioners are present tonight. Vice

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Chair Arando will lead us in the pledge

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of

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>> allegiance.

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to the flag of the United States of

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America.

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We have one ceremonial item this

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evening. I will hand it over to

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Commission Secretary to present the

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item.

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Yes. Uh, thank you, Cher. We open

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nominations tonight for the position of

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uh, chair of the traffic and park

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commission.

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Nominations.

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» I nominate Commissioner Riker.

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» I'd like to nominate Vice Chair Armando

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to chair position.

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Any others?

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Okay, we'll vote first for uh

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Is there a second on any of these?

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» Can I second for me?

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» Second for Mark. Commissioner Mondo,

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>> a second.

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» a second.

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Is there a second for

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Commissioner Rickert?

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» I'll second that motion.

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» Vote for

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Commissioner Rickert.

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That motion passes for commission record

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as uh chair of the traffic commission

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meeting

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three to two. Three yes's three nos.

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Commissioner record, you are the new

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chair for 2026.

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not used to this. I'm very honored.

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Thank you folks very much. Uh

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nominations. Go ahead. Vice chairman.

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>> Open nominations now for the position of

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» Open nominations now for the position of

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vice chair for the traffic and parking

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commission.

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>> I'd like to nominate Commissioner Patel.

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Uh, please vote.

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The nomination for vice chair for

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Anil Patil passes 5-0.

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Cong congratulations, Commissioner

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Patel.

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>> Thank you, Madam Secretary. Thank you,

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» Thank you, Madam Secretary. Thank you,

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commissioners.

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» Okay, next we'll move on to public

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comments. Public comments are restricted

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to three minutes per person. Do we have

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any public comments, Madam Secretary?

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» Uh, not at this time.

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>> No public comments. Then we'll move on

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» No public comments. Then we'll move on

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to the consent calendar. Does anybody

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want to pull any item from the consent

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I'd like to pull item three, ask lake

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forest summary report. Just have a

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question on one.

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And I'll make a motion to approve item

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two, which is the minutes.

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>> I'll second that motion.

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» I'll second that motion.

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>> Motion made in second to approve the

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» Motion made in second to approve the

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minutes.

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Vote to approve minutes.

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Minutes for the November 23rd meeting

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are pass unanimously.

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Okay. Thank you.

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In regarding uh the aslakes forest

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summary report number three, there's a

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comment at the beginning about the

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calrans

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controlled light on the five freeway

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north on Lake Forest Drive always being

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read at the wrong time and not and I

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know we've talked about this before and

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I I personally have asked Al Calrans

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about about it and didn't get an answer.

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Is there any suggestions you have? Can

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we should the commission maybe write

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them a letter and say, "Hey guys, can

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you do something or is there any ideas

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timing for their facilities. We do have

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a cooperative agreement uh for the Lake

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Forest TSSP that has come and gone at

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this point. Uh so if uh you would like

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uh I could certainly take the request

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and then bring it up to their higherups

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as well, but we could reach out again to

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let them know that we would like to have

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them cooperate in regards to that signal

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timing at that intersection.

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on or something you can just do or

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» No, I could go ahead and do that on

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behalf of the commission. I think it

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would help. I what you fellow

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commissioners think, but that light's

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been a mess for a long time. And uh

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people cross Rockfield and they get

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greens and a hundred cars stop at that

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light and it's it's just always red. So

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yeah, I think that would help. Thank

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you. I make a motion to approve item

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three, which is the

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uh Aslake Forest report.

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is a ceremonial or is the uh discussion

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of traffic and parking commission roles

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» Good evening. Hi.

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>> Um my name is uh Michael Irvin. I'm from

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the city attorney's office from Best and

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Creger. uh just invited tonight to give

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a brief uh overview of the you know

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legal boundaries of being a

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commissioner, some of the roles and

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responsibilities as well as just a a

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general overview of the you know common

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uh ethics and obligations. So uh have a

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little bit of a presentation. I can turn

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this on. Okay,

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there we go. Okay. Uh so some of this

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you may be familiar for however long

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you've served uh on the commission. If

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not it's a refresher. Uh but before

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jumping in uh you know just a basic

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overview uh between you know a the legal

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framework of the city and the commission

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uh Lake Forest is a general law city

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which operates different from a charter

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city. What this means in the context of

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a commission uh is that there are

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different rules for how commissions are

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appointed and that in addition the

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commission's duties uh are not just

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found within the city's code but there

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are also state limitations which uh I'll

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uh now you know why this uh is important

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uh you know is uh the way that uh the

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city has been set up with the city

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manager form of government is that while

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commission may interact with staff

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operational authority rests with the

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city manager and staff acts under that

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oversight.

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of a great commissioner. I'm sure

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everyone is doing a wonderful job. uh

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but uh I will just make a general

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observation that you know since we're

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all here as uh in a public service

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capacity that uh my primary focus is

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maintaining uh and reducing conflicts of

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interest uh and understanding

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uh you know how to identify those and uh

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making that clear when necessary to uh

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like I said commissioners are public

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officials. We're bound by standards of

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conduct, ethics and transparency that

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ensures fairness. Uh so as you know as

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you're representing the city's

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interests, not your own personal views.

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objective stance, encouraging public

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trust, demonstrating commitment to the

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community, really about impartiality.

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with city staff, as I mentioned before,

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staff has accountability to the city

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manager. Staff is here. They're going to

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provide support to the commission for

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its initiatives and directives as a

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whole. The way I like to say it, staff

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supports the commission but not the

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commissioner. So uh while uh you know

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there's a structure that you know

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there's a essentially a chain of

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command. While the commission as a whole

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can provide direction on a specific

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issue uh within its purview uh staff

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does not respond to an individual

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commissioner's uh uh request. We have to

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act collectively as a body for staff to

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respond. This includes you know agenda

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requests through commissioner uh

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commission consensus and uh yeah making

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sure that you know if you want to

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discuss an item collectively during a

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public meeting that that's done as a

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body not individually.

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commissions are an advisory capacity uh

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or they can be either a decision maker

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in advisory capacity. What this means

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depending on the specific commission or

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the agenda item. Oftentimes uh we're

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acting in the capacity of making a

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recommendation to the city council. Uh

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implement city council policy that has

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straightforward but you know as it helps

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you know what I like to always recommend

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is that we just focus on the process uh

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ra you know and try to demonstrate

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impartiality and reduce even the

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appearance of uh bias or prejudice.

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best practices, number one, knowing

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council priorities. This can involve

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reviewing council agendas, even

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attending meetings periodically. Staff

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disagreements. That is going to happen

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from time to time where there's going to

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be a disagreement between the commission

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and the council on the decision. And

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really all that's required is that as

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respect of the process and recognizing

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that differing viewpoints lead to

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different outcomes. U like an appeal

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court council has final authority and so

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sometimes you know there may be

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differences with the commission but we

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respect that that's council policy.

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in decision-m, like I said, if you can't

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be fair, don't participate. Avoid

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statements before the close of a

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hearing. Uh especially ones that might

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be signed to signal bias, uh impacting

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perceived fairness.

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It's all just about keeping an open mind

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which you know, I'll cover a little bit

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based on the administrative record. When

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a decision is before the commission, uh

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the facts of what is in the report have

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to make up 100% of what is going to be

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based off of what the count uh

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commission recommends. Uh and so if

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there is extraneous information or facts

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that are not contained and not disclosed

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to the commission, then that is not

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something that can be a part of the

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decision-m that is something that you

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know could include the appearance of

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bias or conflict.

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Now going into uh what some of those

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conflicts are. The most general one is

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uh the common law conflict of interest.

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Uh this one is not there's no specific

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statute. Uh it is just about trying to

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it's a doctrine against the conflict of

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interest of public officials that

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prevent you from replacing yourself uh

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where your personal interests might have

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a conflict with your duty to the public.

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It doesn't even require a specific

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financial gain. There just has to be a

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reasonable perception of conflict. Now

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you know I'm probably doesn't come up

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often ideally uh but you know when it

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does uh oftentimes the common law

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conflict of interest will come up if

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there is a personal relationship or

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affiliation say with a club organization

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that would influence your judgment on a

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matter. So even if there's no direct

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impact in such cases you would recuse

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yourself uh in order to avoid you know

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any appearance of partiality.

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the

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change. There we go. This one is

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statutory. The Political Reform Act,

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which is uh the state's primary conflict

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of interest law as a commission. This is

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for the most part what this commission

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would be uh dealing with if we were

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going to be looking at public interest

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and avoiding situations where your

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financial interest could appear to or

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could influence or appear to influence

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your decisions. Uh because yes, even in

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a court law, even if there isn't a

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direct financial interest, uh if it

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could be seen that there is even

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indirectly a financial interest in a

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decision, that can be enough to violate

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the political reform act. So for your

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purposes, it's critical just for

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maintaining transparency and public

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confidence. If you're aware of a

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financial interest in a matter that

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comes up before this commission, all

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that the Political Reform Act requires

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is that you disclose it and you recuse

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yourself from the vote.

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We're missing the text on this one. Uh

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but

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» interesting. Okay. Well, the general

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rule is you shall not make or

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participate in making or attempt to

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influence any governmental decision in

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which you have a financial interest.

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That's the essential rule.

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Okay.

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Where did that go?

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Yes. Okay.

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The next one I think the title is cut

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off but this is ref reference to

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contracts. Uh now this is entire only

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apply everything else applies when

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there's not a contract if and when the

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commission is approving or entering into

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a contract which um you know for TPC

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purposes uh may not occur often. Uh but

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this is what we would call se this is

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section 1090. This is if a public

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official who has a financial interest

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participates in making a contract. Now

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unlike the political reform act recusal

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is not enough. If uh you have a

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financial interest in a contract then

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the city cannot enter into the contract

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as a whole. This one is uh the stakes

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are much higher. Uh in fact we would

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probably you know want to know about

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this far in advance in order to avoid

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that kind of situation because in that

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instance the contract is void penalties

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can apply. uh the penalties are even

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high enough to bar someone from holding

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any public office in California. Uh so

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it's one of the strictest conflict of

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interest laws because it wants to ensure

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that public resources are used

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responsibly without self-interest.

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So um that instance

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uh yeah in the decision- making for a

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contract you would uh we would avoid

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uh participating in the making of a

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contract.

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Okay.

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the per personal advantages and perks.

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So, some bullet points uh might be

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missing off of this one, but just as a

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general overview, public officials have

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strict rules around the personal

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benefits that you receive when you're in

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office in order to kind of prevent the

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misuse of your position. This includes,

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as you would see on I hope maybe it's on

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your screen. I'm not sure, but I can't.

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Okay. Interesting. Um but this would

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include the receipt of uh gifts uh

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travel and lodging, loans,

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reimbursement,

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you know, mass mailing, nepotism,

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charity funding disclosures, you know,

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things that are uh that signal undue

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influence. Uh there there there are

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strict rules around uh things that might

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convey a personal benefit to you.

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particularly if the person I'll give an

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example with the gifts if they have

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business before the city and you were

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receipt of a gift the law requires you

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actually to disclose that if it's over

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$50. Um

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yeah, there we go. At least that one's

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on there. Yes, disclose over $50

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disqualified if it's more than $590 uh

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in any 12-month period or within any

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count or f within any calendar year. uh

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if you receive that amount uh from one

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single source, one single person, then

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you're disqualified from participating

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in any decisions that could impact that

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source. Uh the limit is, you know, kind

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of discourage officials from being

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influenced by large gifts,

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uh golf, tickets to Disneyland, anything

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like that, which I think a single ticket

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probably would be over 590 these days.

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Uh the options by the way if you are to

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receive a gift and you probably con

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consult with the city attorney's offices

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you can uh refuse it uh return it donate

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it there are some other options uh which

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can also be used as an exception if you

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are to gifts uh that you know the strict

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rules that generally apply to gifts or

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public benefits for officials. There are

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certain exceptions uh that that we the

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state law allows uh flexibility without

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compromising ethics. Some of these would

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be like if it was the if the gift wasn't

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to the commission but it was to the city

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uh in that instance you know you're not

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impacted it wouldn't require disclosure

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wouldn't require recusal. Now if it had

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uh you know say uh chair Riker's name on

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it uh on those tickets when they donated

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it then now it is a personal gift rather

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than a gift to the agency but you know

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so long as it's a name as an individual

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it's not earmarked for them then we

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could say it's a gift to the agency. Um,

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other exceptions, like I said, are gifts

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that you refuse or reimburse the donor

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within 30 days, uh, gifts from family

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members, gifts of hospitality, you know,

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a housewarming party and someone gives

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you baked goods or something, it's not

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going to count as a gift,

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and certain tickets and passes to

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certain fundraisers like for charity

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events.

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Okay. Uh next moving is that I'm not

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sure what happened why the so much text

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is removed but uh what you should be

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seeing on your screen is governing

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transparency laws i.e. the Brown Act uh

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which I'm sure uh the commission is

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already familiar with. Uh the Brown Act

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requires transparency for all meetings

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that involve a quorum of the legislative

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body ensures public access. So the Brown

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Act is why we have to have public

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comment uh before approving any action

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item before the commission and why we

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have to have a general public comment

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and allow the public to come and address

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the body. Uh this happens any regularly

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scheduled meeting anytime that there's a

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quorum of commissioners that happen to

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run into each other. So if there's three

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of you that happen to meet in an event

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and you're discussing city business

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qualifies as a meeting and that needs to

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be properly noticed and agendaized. So,

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in the event that you're running into

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each other socially, try not to discuss

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city business.

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Okay. Uh this goes on more to say about

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what happens uh how meetings are

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defined. Uh now a meeting doesn't happen

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when you are just physically meeting but

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could also happen say if you were to uh

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one was to talk to one was to talk to

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one was to talk to one. Soon as you hit

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a quorum, you've officially se, you

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know, if it's, if you're discussing

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something that's within the purview of

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the commission and its authority, you

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discuss city business, it becomes a

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meeting. That's what we would call a

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serial meeting or or a daisy chain

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meeting. Um, same thing can happen uh if

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you're, you know, bccing commissioner,

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you know, other commissioners on an

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item. Uh, just because, you know, you

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know, avoid replying all is what I would

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say. That's that's my big advice. you

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know take caution with all digital

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communication. Uh in fact even um

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publicly commenting on Instagram or

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Facebook on other posts. Uh in last year

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circuit court basically held that even

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that can count as a meeting as well. And

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so if you're replying to each other's uh

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you know Facebook messages and

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discussing uh city business within the

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purview of the commission then that

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could also potentially count as a

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meeting. Um you know just something to

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keep in mind.

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Okay. And

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there we go. Distribution of writings.

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Uh so

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for the most part, anything that's uh

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related to city business uh must be made

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available at the meeting. This is just

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all about public access. Uh you know,

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this is something that mostly staff will

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take care of. But uh yeah, just upon

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request things must be made available to

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the public. legislative body must be

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made publicly available at all times

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during you know public you know when a

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majority of the public majority of the

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legislative body is gathered

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and with that I've reached the end of my

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presentation and if there are any

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questions for me I welcome it but if not

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>> thank you for the excellent information

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» thank you for the excellent information

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appreciate it you have any questions

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from commissioners Mr.

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Now, I'm just making this up, but just

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as a as a for instance, let's say I have

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a friend that has a business, whatever,

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and he has a suite at Anaheim Stadium,

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let's say, and then so he invites me or

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invites, you know, somebody just as a

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friend, and you go to the suite and have

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a good time and whatever, whatever. No,

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no city business involved. He's not a

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business owner, anything in the city.

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Never would vote. That's not a that

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wouldn't be a problem. It as just making

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this up, but as an example,

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>> uh if the friend has no business before

550
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:54,240
» uh if the friend has no business before

551
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,679
the city, then I see no reason why

552
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,039
there'd be a conflict.

553
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,190
>> Okay? Because I know I know city of

554
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:59,200
» Okay? Because I know I know city of

555
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Anaheim, it's a different thing. They I

556
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,159
think the city owns a suite and you

557
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:06,159
know, sometimes people will go go to

558
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,360
that, but since the city owns it, that

559
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,320
would be a different

560
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,669
>> that would be different. Yeah. That'd be

561
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:11,679
» that would be different. Yeah. That'd be

562
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:12,880
qualitatively different. Yeah. Usually

563
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,399
we're when we're talking about gifts or

564
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,640
receiving remun better remunerative

565
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,840
benefits money uh it would be from a

566
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,520
private source from a governmental

567
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,000
agency.

568
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,149
>> Great. Okay. Thank

569
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:24,159
» Great. Okay. Thank

570
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:28,230
>> any other questions Commissioner Patel.

571
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:28,240
» any other questions Commissioner Patel.

572
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,470
>> Thank you sir. Uh Mr. Irwin thank you

573
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:30,480
» Thank you sir. Uh Mr. Irwin thank you

574
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,559
for the presentation very informative.

575
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,760
Uh my question is more towards uh let's

576
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,679
say we've got a public comment uh from

577
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:41,039
the audience uh about a concern within

578
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,840
related to traffic and parking. Um I'd

579
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,600
like to understand more about that

580
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,919
situation. Uh can I meet with that

581
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:50,640
individual and ask questions, visit, you

582
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,399
know, a street for example where that

583
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,080
traffic and parking issue is is

584
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,880
occurring. Can I go uh on my own time

585
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,520
and investigate that that concern? Uh

586
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,080
and similarly also as a follow-up also

587
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
um during meetings can I research um on

588
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,279
the internet for information uh to

589
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,440
better understand uh the agenda items

590
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,559
also. Uh so in response to the first

591
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,240
question absolutely you can meet with

592
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,919
someone after public comment if they

593
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:18,240
raise a complaint or a concern uh about

594
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,919
you know some intersection that is of

595
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,640
concern to them. I would say and in fact

596
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,880
encourage that as a as as a wonderful

597
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,880
function as your duty as a commissioner

598
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,559
uh of public service to to meet with

599
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,679
them. Uh the the conflict of interest

600
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:34,159
rules just broadly speaking happens when

601
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:36,880
you have someone who has business before

602
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880
the city. They're going to be there's

603
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,080
going to be a vote before the city

604
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,200
council. They're going to be receiving

605
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,760
some kind of benefit. Maybe a contract,

606
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640
maybe a grant, maybe a a land use

607
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,039
entitlement like a zoning change. I mean

608
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,559
that's more for planning commission but

609
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,600
just to give an example that is where we

610
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,360
would have a concern about like you know

611
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,799
meeting with them uh exparte as in out

612
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,960
you've met with them outside of the the

613
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,440
publicly available meeting but if you're

614
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,960
meeting with a concerned citizen that is

615
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,720
that is within your prerogative as a

616
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,279
commissioner

617
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,190
>> and and do I have to disclose those uh

618
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:09,200
» and and do I have to disclose those uh

619
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,120
at future meetings also who I've met

620
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,840
with or

621
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,350
>> if that person ends up having business

622
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:13,360
» if that person ends up having business

623
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,520
before the city then yeah uh and if it's

624
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,960
related to that business but that's very

625
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,880
fact specific I I couldn't you know,

626
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,679
give 100% based off that hypothetical.

627
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:23,760
And then your uh second question, remind

628
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,880
me

629
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,190
>> um there's an agenda item uh in the

630
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:27,200
» um there's an agenda item uh in the

631
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,279
meeting and during the meeting, I'd like

632
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,120
to just better understand the situation.

633
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Can I use a tablet to research that item

634
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,240
also?

635
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,029
>> Absolutely. Yeah. Uh and you know, I'm

636
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:37,039
» Absolutely. Yeah. Uh and you know, I'm

637
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:38,799
sure it' be encouraged and that's part

638
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,039
of the uh feedback that's given to staff

639
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,919
as part of you make your recommendation.

640
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:45,840
uh as a best practice anything you

641
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,600
discover that's germanine or pertinent

642
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,200
that you'd like to share I would

643
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,720
encourage it for transparency

644
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,950
>> and um the reason I as you mentioned

645
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:52,960
» and um the reason I as you mentioned

646
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,799
earlier in the presentation uh you have

647
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,120
to rely on the the staff report only to

648
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,080
make the decision

649
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,230
>> you have to rely on every information

650
00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:00,240
» you have to rely on every information

651
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,840
that is publicly available so this is

652
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,279
I'll give the example if you were to

653
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,600
meet exparte outside of the meeting and

654
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,760
have private information and then to

655
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,760
vote upon an item based off that private

656
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,679
information you have bias appearance of

657
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:16,559
prejudice something like that if if

658
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,320
there's new information that's germanine

659
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,559
ideally this would be known by staff I I

660
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,480
think this is very rare hypothetical

661
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
where you know the staff is because this

662
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,320
is anything that's going to come before

663
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,000
the commission has already been vetted

664
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,919
very thoroughly by staff they've done a

665
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:32,159
excellent job of uh refining it

666
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:33,520
preparing it for the commission to be

667
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,799
able to deliberate and make its

668
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,120
recommendation but if there is something

669
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,320
ideally you would probably bring it up

670
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,039
with staff as they put it into their uh

671
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,600
agenda reports Great. Thank you, Mr.

672
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Herman.

673
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,230
>> Any other questions?

674
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:48,240
» Any other questions?

675
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,669
>> Thank you again. Appreciate it for

676
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:49,679
» Thank you again. Appreciate it for

677
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:50,240
coming. Of

678
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,470
>> course.

679
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:50,480
» course.

680
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,789
>> Thank you.

681
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:52,799
» Thank you.

682
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,789
>> Next item on the agenda is director

683
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:54,799
» Next item on the agenda is director

684
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,039
comments. Mr. Erdman, have any comments

685
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:57,919
tonight?

686
00:31:57,919 --> 00:31:59,669
>> Nothing to add. Happy New Year.

687
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:59,679
» Nothing to add. Happy New Year.

688
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:01,509
>> Thank you,

689
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:01,519
» Thank you,

690
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,360
Mr. Patel. Patel.

691
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,279
Um, well, I just want to say thank you

692
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,799
uh for a great 2025. Uh, Chair Falset,

693
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,640
previous chair of last year. We will

694
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,279
obviously uh do a uh recap of that, but

695
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:18,799
uh just want to say thank you for your

696
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,440
leadership. Uh also congratulations,

697
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Chair Riker, as well as Vice Chair

698
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,640
Patel. Uh just looking forward to 2026.

699
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,399
So that's all. Thank you.

700
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:30,870
>> So I think next meeting is there

701
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:30,880
» So I think next meeting is there

702
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,200
anything on our meeting agenda exciting

703
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,880
for next month?

704
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,669
>> Yes. uh we will finally be able to bring

705
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:37,679
» Yes. uh we will finally be able to bring

706
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:39,760
forth uh to obtain some feedback from

707
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,039
the traffic and parking commission

708
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:42,640
regarding the traffic operational

709
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,360
improvement study. So that will be uh in

710
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
front of you and the commission uh to

711
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,240
kind of provide us some feedback,

712
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,919
discuss what's on there, some

713
00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:53,679
recommendations though, it will be in

714
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:55,840
draft form, so it'll be more of a

715
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,320
working type of uh discussion and so

716
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,679
we're looking forward to that.

717
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:02,789
>> Thank you. Thank you, Tren.

718
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:02,799
» Thank you. Thank you, Tren.

719
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,310
>> Commissioner comments, Mr. Camarina,

720
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:06,320
» Commissioner comments, Mr. Camarina,

721
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Commissioner Patel.

722
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,710
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, I just want to

723
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:10,720
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, I just want to

724
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,960
thank staff and my fellow commissioners

725
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,279
for uh continue to play a significant

726
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:16,480
role with this traffic and parking

727
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,000
commission for doing a wonderful job in

728
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,159
2025. I look forward to working with

729
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,720
every one of you uh in this coming year.

730
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,399
Uh for for the general public, I just

731
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,159
wanted to make a announcement about uh

732
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,159
Snowfest. Uh it's coming up this

733
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:30,720
Saturday, January 10th at 10:30 at

734
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Pittsburgh Park. It's a it's a

735
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,159
long-standing tradition with the the

736
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,080
city of Lake Forest to celebrate our

737
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,000
winter season. So, looking forward to

738
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,480
seeing some of you at Snowfest on this

739
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Saturday. Thank you.

740
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,750
>> Thank you, Commissioner Armando.

741
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:43,760
» Thank you, Commissioner Armando.

742
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,509
>> Uh, no comment. Thank you,

743
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:45,519
» Uh, no comment. Thank you,

744
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,990
>> Commissioner Fost.

745
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:48,000
» Commissioner Fost.

746
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,990
>> I kind of had a general comment as well.

747
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:50,000
» I kind of had a general comment as well.

748
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Uh, the city of Lake Forest uh does

749
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000
passport services and my family utilized

750
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,399
them. It was very convenient and I think

751
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,960
most people don't know about it. I went

752
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,880
to the local AAA office and they sent me

753
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,159
somewhere else. They didn't know we did

754
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:08,240
it here. So, uh, for the public in the

755
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,480
audience and watching online, please

756
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,240
come into city hall. You can make an

757
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:15,839
appointment online. Very convenient.

758
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:17,270
>> Okay. Well, thank you. We're going to

759
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:17,280
» Okay. Well, thank you. We're going to

760
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,720
adjourn the meeting and happy new year

761
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,560
to all of you and thank you for all your

762
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,240
support and look forward to having a

763
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,560
really good year. Thank you everyone.

764
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,639
Meeting is adjourned. Thank you.

765
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,599
You have to sign with your