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Okay, we have the green light, so I will call this meeting to order for the Lake Mill City Council on August 5th of 2025. Mr. Would you please call the roll? Ms. Curler? Here. Ms. Schmager? Here. Ms. Kudno? Here. Mr. Kudts? Here. Mr. Waters? Here. Thank you. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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of

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the United States of America and the Institute of Republic for which it stands one nation under our individual with liberty and justice are all.

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Our next agenda item is correction and acceptance of the City Council meeting minutes from July 15th.

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Are there any corrections or comments?

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Okay, seeing none, we'll accept those into our record.

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agenda item five is board and committee reports and minutes. So we have meeting

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minutes from Parks Board, Plan Commission and two library board minutes. Are

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there any comments or corrections on any of those minutes?

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Anybody? Okay. Seeing

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them, so we'll accept those four sets of minutes into the record. And then we have

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a specifically identified Parks Board report out on their recommendations. And I

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You see a pet from Joaquin Rock Lake pet,

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were you planning to make a report tonight?

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No, okay, great.

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All right, so we have Anita Martin.

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I'll invite you up to the podium to present

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our Parks Board recommendations.

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Thank you.

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My comments tonight are as a representative

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of the City Parks Board,

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serving as the vice chair of the Parks Board.

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On April 1st of this year,

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the City Council made the resolution

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In conclusion, 25-19 directing the parks board to develop recommendations to review, discuss, and recommend recreational amenity improvements and priorities for the Sandy Beach Park.

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So over the course of a couple of months we had discussions at our regular

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parks board meeting. We had a work session in May and we received quite a bit

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of public input via emails and participation at the various meetings. We also

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received quite a bit of assistance and recommendations from our parks director

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Eric Schreiner. You'll see in the handout that the 11-page handout that we

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evaluated recommendations came up with, that Parks Board came up with 10, I'm

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sorry, a little nervous, six Park Board priorities and then six Parks Department

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priorities for the Sandy Beach redevelopment as far as the recreational aspects.

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We looked at the rationale, the description, other potential options, issues and risks, cost, effort, impacts, and then final recommendations.

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Just a few comments about what we came up with and some additional requests from City Council as far as research and follow-up.

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under fence and gatehouse remove, one of the recommendations is to pursue paid

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parking model for their analyzed parking fee structure and further

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research implementation needs. On page seven we did discuss ice skating because

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a number of people were interested in that as a recreational option. Keep and

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and enhance and move and install its unknown if pursuing winter recreation is a priority.

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We were suggesting that the City Council conduct additional research on ice-rink installation.

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Revenue generating services on page 9, boat lifts and piers, move and modify.

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this was an area of a great deal of discussion and input by both the parks board as well as residents.

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Our recommendation for the City Council is conduct further research on the possibility of

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consolidating boat slip peers to one location on the west side of the park. On page 10, the objective

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of being safety enforcement and visitor safety, we are suggesting that the City Council

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pursue consultation with the Lake Mills Police Department for input on increasing public safety

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measures. Under on page 11 the objective being food and beverage service there is the question

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of who would staff a potential concession stand, city staff or private staff so that was

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another item.

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And then finally, the

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objective of improving storm water management and water quality,

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which we felt was really important.

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We do recommend accepting Rock Lake Improvement Association's proposal to fund a restoration

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an ecology firm to support the city in developing a plan to capture and bioremediate.

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And it's my understanding that of a consultation, such as that was approved, it would be a contract

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with the city and with financial support from Rock Lake Improvement Association.

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I thought that was part of the discussion at the end.

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So those are the items I think that we mainly just wanted to bring forward.

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Thank you Anita can I have you stay out in case we have any questions.

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Thank you very much and I know you're you're pinch hitting for Tim's

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but I am and I'm just yeah it's been a busy day.

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I'm unable to be here at the last minute so thank you for filling in for him

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and thank you for your work on this.

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So this is not scheduled you know tonight for any kind of just you know lengthy discussion

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or decision this evening we're just receiving on the recommendations but I do want to make sure that if we have any particular questions for Anita or Mary you know I'm serving on the parks board that we can do that so are there any questions from council members at this time.

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I'm not a question but I just want to thank Anita and the whole parks board for the work that they put into forming those recommendations.

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I attended some of the meetings virtually and some of the meetings in person.

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And there was a lot of time put in, a lot of opinions expressed, and a lot.

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There was a lot pulled together in a relatively short amount of time.

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So thank you and thank the whole board for their efforts on this.

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Thank you, Greg.

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Appreciate that.

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It's been an interesting process.

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Anyone else, Greg?

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I want to do also thank the Parks Board for their efforts here.

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I know there's a lot to look at and it looks like he covered a lot of ground in short time,

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so thank you for the feedback there. I know there's a lot for our board to look at

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and to our council to look at and decide how to move forward with Sandy Beach. But I guess my feeling

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is that Sandy Beach has kind of come backwards over the years.

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We've eliminated services over the years,

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not this council, but prior councils.

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And I think it's time that we step forward

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and do some things down there.

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So, looking forward to taking some action.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other comments?

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Mary, I would like to make some comments.

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So first of all, thanks Anita for joining on short notice

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to frame the work that we've done.

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I think there are, there's one, one topic that I think is going to be the most, I think,

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lengthiest discussion is the food and beverage service we have, as you all know,

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on some of the early renditions I've talked about food carts.

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We've, we've rustled around with that.

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It's not necessarily recreational, but it's in the recreation space.

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So, we came up with a recommendation that we felt was kind of a balance between what

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the citizens had said in the survey and what some of the input was.

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So, but that one there, we really haven't had a formal conversation around if we want

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it and if we do what it looks like.

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And so, I think that one, if we could all give some thought that that one, in particular,

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I think, is a big decision what it changes the face of the park and so I think that one

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I would draw your attention to.

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And the second one that I feel has a little bit of a sense of urgency.

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The Reckley Confirm Association has the ecologist interest to help us with this storm water

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plantings and they may have an interest to reach out and work with them with Eric to make

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sure they understand the terrain just to do homework to start thinking about how they could

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help in developing planting, I would say recommendations, so input when we get to the nuts and bolts

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in developing the park later on and they don't want to be a stumbling block and so support

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for storm water. Looking at that through the RLIA offer I think is more has a sense of urgency

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for me so that we don't aren't waiting for them to get started when we are moving this forward.

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I don't know how fast things will go. I don't know how where any of this or all of this or some of

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this will be in the CIP and so that when they're just I know I don't want they don't want us to be

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waiting on them and so that would be the one subject that support on that early would

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be great.

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So I guess I have a thought on that and then I would look to just have to see if they

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have any other ideas.

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We could certainly schedule this for further discussion in our next council meeting or have

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a work session or however we want to frame that to go through the recommendations in more

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detail may be prioritized.

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I think, and again, my compliments as well and thank you to the Parks Board for this very detailed work and it really put together very well with the rationale, the pros and cons, maybe alternatives that you talked about and then supporting your recommendations.

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I think it's going to give us a really good foundation for looking at the capital improvement plan and where we might want to plug in some of these recommendations different years.

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and certainly some that need more valuation to decide, but I guess my thinking would

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be maybe have a discussion on these recommendations that are next meeting and then maybe identify

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some priorities and maybe some things that we would want to even fit into with the parking

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lot design which is kind of the next thing that I think would be queued up and see where

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there might be some overlap in storm water management, for example, with that.

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So Drake, what do you think would be a good next step on this?

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We can have it on the next agenda and have the council discussion on what pieces of it they

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want to prioritize.

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That should line up pretty well with the timing on the capital improvement plan in case the

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council wants to insert any dollars into that plan.

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right now there's some placeholders but not any firm commitments within the CIP on what's

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happening at Sandy Beach and so it should coincide well and we'll just have to prioritize it amongst

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what other capital projects exist and what the council wants to accomplish in the coming years.

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So I'll follow council members that's only a good plan to give us everybody time to review this

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further and then be prepared to talk about it next time, Michelle.

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I was just wondering if this would be a time during a city council meeting to be the time

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to have that discussion or if we should have a separate meeting as we've often had planning

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meetings regarding Sandy Beach on a separate occasion so that we can really hone in on that

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conversation. Sometimes I feel like when we have it in a city council meeting, we feel like

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I think there's not as much time to have those conversations and I would really like to have in-depth conversations so that we can really analyze before making any final decisions or telling staff that they need to start writing stuff up or anything like that.

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That makes sense.

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Sure. Yeah, and I think we'll be talking about other aspects of Santa Beach later on the agenda,

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and so we may decide that we want to have a special meeting, you know, just on those topics.

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So let's just assume that we're going to talk about this again at a future meeting to be determined

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and go from there to Zat's hunger. Okay. Okay, and thank you again Anita. I appreciate you

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I'm going in at the last minute.

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Any other questions for Anita?

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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So we'll move on to agenda item six, which is correspondence and his joint contacts.

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Michelle, would you like to get us started?

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Sure.

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I had three emails regarding the trailer part, one email regarding signage and the concern

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of a citizen saying that there wasn't enough.

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and another email regarding the Joint Rock Lake Committee.

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Great, great.

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I had an email on Bartles Beach,

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several tax concerns with the new assessments going out.

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And I joint rock lake memo from Patrick

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and a memo on land, the land use maps.

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Great.

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Mary.

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I think we all got something from Spectrum News, asking about our growth.

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In addition to what Greg and Michelle have, I also had a correspondence about the

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Mounds at Sandy Beach, the library.

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I met with Michelle Gerard and two library board members to go a little deeper and get some

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clarification. Thanks so thank you to Michelle and Gerard and Wendy.

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And Robin, property assessments, signage at Bartles regarding, I think we just got that one regarding ADA. And I think that's about it. Great, great. I've had the same as everyone has already mentioned. Okay. Thank you everyone. I'm looking to mine because quite a few messages. All the council members received them. I did, I was looped in on some correspondence regarding a mural project on West Lake Street.

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that I hand off to Troy and he's following up.

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I got a compliment of the staff regarding tree planting in the city, and I know that

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we're our forestry department is using some new techniques to hopefully increase the

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viability of tree planting, so that was nice that citizen recognized that.

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I did get one email, I think maybe we all got this one about the Santa Beach mobile homes

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is objecting to use of city funds and then just this evening of Bartle speech parking

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which the Eric has already followed up on.

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I think that's it.

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All right, thank you everybody.

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Okay, our next agenda item is public comment.

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So individuals who have registered to speak are invited to address the council at this time.

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I'll call people to the podium.

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So when you come up, please state your name and address.

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No action will be taken for items that are not listed on the agenda.

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each speaker is limited to three minutes and we're trying out a new timer so

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we'll see how it goes but hopefully this will help you as a speaker to know when

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your time is getting close to up so it's sitting over here just to the your

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right of Michelle says three minutes and it'll it'll make a beep when I start it

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and it will make a beep when your time is up so that's the button right there

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the and that's all the tosses turn on that time right so okay so we have several

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people registered to speak so we'll start with items that are on the agenda

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tonight. Jay Ludeman wants to speak about the rezoning and then after that

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we'll have Gail Oglesby on Lyndon Street so Jay come on up see if I can get

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this to work here. Good evening.

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I'm here to comment on item number H

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ordinance 1279, the amendment of comprehensive plan on that parcel off East Tyroneena Park Road,

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where I live. This is at least the fourth time that this developer has come to the planning

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commissions or to the council trying to change this designation. When he was given his original

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permission to build that massive apartment complex that we all can see from the interstate.

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This parcel was designed to be a buffer zone of R1 housing between the R1 housing to

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the south of that parcel and this very, very large apartment complex that's there.

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By passing this, they raised it from R1 to R13, and at the last council meeting.

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So when they caved to this developer who is, for the last 10 years, made no effort whatsoever

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to do anything with R1, his whole statement was to go as much as he could with his larger

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apartment complexes as possible.

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The planning neighborhood supposedly will allow for R1 and R2 and R3 housings, but

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the developer came with a program that had absolutely no single family homings with

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it whatsoever.

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He apparently had plenty of notice and had plenty of time to work with the planning commission

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But no one contacted us that actually live on that land or near that land to see what our reactions were or what our recommendations were.

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So we strongly oppose taking this to something other than our one like what was planned for over the last 10 or 12 years.

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The other part is, and then I'm running out of time, but I would like to see a new environmental impact statement on that piece of property since those apartments have been built.

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All of the waterfalls that have been displaced by that huge apartment complex down there have moved up the hill.

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It's very common for all of us along there to have sandhill cranes, wild turkeys, Canadian geese,

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plus many other mammals that utilize that, the environment of that cornfield and the green areas that are not under, under tillage.

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It took him this long before he came up with a plan. Why not go the other way and turn that into a park?

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jay. And I don't think we got your address on the record. Can you just...

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I'm sorry, W7177176 East Tyranena Park Road.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, so next is Gail Ogleston.

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I'm talking about the Lyndon Street sewer.

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And then we'll have a few people on speaking on Sandy Beach.

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I'm a short person.

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I'll have to get this down here.

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And Gail Ogleston Bay.

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And I'm an owner of 805 Lyndon Street here in Lake Mills.

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recently annexed from the township. I'm sorry, Gail, I'm getting used to this, too. I've got to reset this timer.

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Oh, okay. I won't start over. You're not in trouble.

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I live on Lyndon Street and there's been a couple years now. We've discussed putting in a street, sewer line, water line.

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And on that street, I have the only property that has failed, the system has failed.

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I guess it's not up to code, but basically it is failing more and more all the time.

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My biggest concern is, well, two concerns is the cost involved because I have to pick up

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the price.

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Some of it will be over taxes over 10 years, but a lot of out of pocket price.

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So I'm concerned about that, but also, like I said, my system is failing, and if I have

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very many people in my house, it's just I have sewage backup, and it's a mess, it really is

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very costly too. And so I'm just looking at getting this, you know, speeding up the process,

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because it's really been dragging on quite a while now. And I guess, you know, I think we're going

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to discuss that tonight, but in some alternative plans, but just wanted you to be aware of that.

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Okay, thank you. Thank you very much.

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Okay, here we go. Got the new time. Okay, so we have

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on several people on Sandy Beach, we have Mike Heeslip, and then after that we'll be on Tom

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Please come to the microphone.

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We're discussing it.

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Great.

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Go ahead and speak to level.

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Speak to that.

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Thank you.

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My name is Mike Eastlope.

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I reside at 37B Paradise and Sandy Beach.

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That's the B level.

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I think that if we could coordinate between the city and our association of the

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But the trailers, we could come up with a workable program to gain what everybody's after

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is a nicer place to live.

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If we were to spread the cost over the entire association, all three levels, instead of

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looking at B separately, we could reduce the cost per unit by a large amount of

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money rather than just putting the emphasis on B itself. Eventually, A is

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going to have to be redone and possibly sandy or the pines. So I think if we work

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together with all three levels and then excuse me I do have some figures but I

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didn't want to go with it on but I've been coming up for 60 years better than 60

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years and when we first started coming up all the roads and everything through all

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of the levels were they were just gravel and at that time by having gravel a lot

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of the rain is such just seeped into the ground and where the tennis were the

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volleyball courts are now and the surrounding area that was lower and that

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was where we all played and hung out but it was also where the bolts were

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stored. Now when we got a lot of rain that would all the water would congregate

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in the middle there and the rest of the parking lot stayed dry. So you know

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We did have difficulties, you know, sometimes you went to get your boat out, it'd be up to your ankles, but that was no big deal.

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I think if we would take that and go back to where it's lower and use gravel just in that center part for the drainage,

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and then we could eliminate the planned water retention pond on the front of B.

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If we did that that would enable more trailers to remain on that level and then the cost of the whole project we spread over more trailers.

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I think just something that we should look into and talk to about the association with the association and the city.

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I want to thank you for your time.

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Thank you, right on the dot.

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Okay, let's see, next is on Tom Kreechi,

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I'm speaking on Sandi Beach.

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My name is Tom Kreechi, and I'm speaking on behalf of the Rock Lake Improvement Association Board of Directors.

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The Rock Lake Improvement Association and our membership would like to thank the parks board for the time and effort they put into developing a well thought out recommendation

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for the Sandy Beach Park redevelopment.

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Excuse me, Tom, I have to start the timer.

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Sorry for the beep.

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RLIA is supportive of the Park Sport Recommendation that was given tonight.

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We are hopeful that the City Council will move forward with the Park Sport Recommendation,

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particularly as it relates to stormwater and water quality actions that protect our lake and its users.

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The RLIA is ready to fund a restoration ecologist to collaborate directly with the Parks Board under a contract with the City of Lake Mills to develop the design and we respectfully request the City Council to approve that action.

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Thank you.

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thank you okay our remaining speaker on Sandy Beach is Bob Clark and then JB

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Clark you'll be so

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while he's coming up I'll take care of the beeps and

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Bob

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Clark live along a Sandy Beach road in the pines part of the trailer park I read all

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what you're doing with the park and to bring it bring it up but no one ever

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addresses the idea of what's going to happen to the sand. He wants people to come

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to the park. We could go this Saturday. I was sitting on the boardwalk there.

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I took a walk down to the lake to take a dip and I crossed over 57 pieces of

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Guestung in that small area and of course I had to walk back. If you take the

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whole of that west side, there was probably 1500 people on that beach. There were children

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burying themselves in the sand, swimming in the sand, rolling in the sand, building sand

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castles. If their parents knew what was in that sand, they wouldn't even come to the beach.

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So as you spend your money to improve the beach, think about the sand. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Our final registered speaker is JB Clark.

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Hello.

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JB Clark.

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One, two, two mill to street again.

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Thank you.

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You're not planning to speak, JB?

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No, did you read the memo?

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I read what he's distributed.

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I don't know if he wants to ask to read it out loud or not.

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All right.

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No one else has registered.

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So we will close public comment for this evening.

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Thank you, everybody.

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And sorry for my lack of familiarity with our timer here, let's see, hopefully that'll turn that off.

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So, okay, our next agenda, so public comment is posted and our next agenda item is the City Manager's report.

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Thank you. One thing I'll highlight tonight is every residents, every property owner in the city of Lake Measwell have received a notice of their preliminary assessment. There's been a lot of conversation regarding that. I would just like to note our, I guess, warn, not that don't just take what the mill rate is or has been last year on your tax bill and apply it to the new assessment. That the assessments are one piece of how,

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All property taxes may be determined, but it's largely determined by what the relative value of the property is in relation to the community as a whole.

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And what the levies of each of the taxing jurisdictions are, so county, tech college, school district, and city of Lake Mills.

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from the city of Lake Mills, standpoint the city is limited and it's levy increase by the state of Wisconsin, by levy limits, by net new construction.

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In the past, we've seen that between 2 and 3% in most recent years.

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And so that's been the maximum amount that the city can increase its tax levy which obviously is much lower than the average 60% increase we saw

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from the revaluation of property and so you can't just take the millerate and apply it

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to the new valuation and calculate what your taxes will be because that will give you

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a much higher number than what it will end up actually being.

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And so when you're looking at it, when you're looking at what the increase is, that average

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property increase was just around 60 percent.

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So you have to look at what the properties increase was in relation to the increases of

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everybody else is to know how it may impact property taxes in the future. I'd also note that

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you can find the contact information for the assessor on our website. There's also been some

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social media posts with that contact information. The open book period is scheduled for August

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Thursday, August 13th and Friday, August 15th. There will be three assessors here for appointments.

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If you call on a making appointment, you can also call or email the assessor ahead of time

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with any concerns or questions you may have about your property assessment.

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That's what's known as open book, the open book period.

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Through that open book period, the assessor can make changes to the assessment.

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If they find that there should be one, final determination notices are scheduled to be sent out around August 24th.

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If you haven't been able to resolve any questions that you may have with the assessor during that open book period,

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that's when you can contact City Hall here and ask for an objection form where you can formally object to your property assessment.

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at the Board of Review, which will be in September.

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So that is how that process will lay out,

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but I would just like to reiterate the reminder that

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what your millerate was last year is not what the millerate

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will be applied to on the new valuation of the property,

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and that the more important factor is the value of the property

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in relation to everything else in the city of Lake Mills,

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and what the taxing jurisdictions levy for their budgets which won't be

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settled until likely in November for each for each of them. Other than that,

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if there are any questions from the council, I'm happy to answer any. Any

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questions Mary? I have one question and one comment. I'm coming first. I had a

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citizen call me late afternoon to say that the phone number to the

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assessments office was going to like a dead line and they were weren't sure if it was

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just like a phone. Sometimes your phone get the phone system gets clogged and you end up

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with a drop but it was she tried twice and it was dropped both times so I was just some we might

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take a look at tomorrow make sure it's live and there hasn't been an issue. Second my question is when

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will that mill rate be determined? What is the debt date by which the new one will be?

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Tax bills are required to go out before December 15th and so that means that all

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of the tax and jurisdictions will have had to adopt their budgets for the coming

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year and the full amount will be calculated at that at that point. So the final

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millerate won't be determined until we receive notice from all of the tax and

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jurisdictions as to what they are levying and then the millerate gets

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calculated based off of what's being levied.

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So that's October and November, I was just trying to get the I can't tell you an

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exact date, but I know that it will be definitely will be determined by early

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December. Okay. So like the other testing jurisdictions might be would be the

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late middle school district, the technical colleges, technical colleges, and then

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Jefferson County. Okay, we also have to wait for the state school credit to come

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in the state school credit. Okay. Michelle, a comment and more of an ask, is it possible that Drake you could write up perhaps a memorandum and post it somewhere in a way that could be understood in case somebody doesn't happen to watch this or understand what exactly you're saying if we could put it in a way to help everyone understand what this means?

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There is a 2025 revaluation dedicated page on our website, so I would direct people

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to that.

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There's a frequently asked question section templates of the notices that have been sent

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out.

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Some informational material from the assessor that's posted on there, and then of course

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they can call us or the assessor, but that web page has quite a bit of information.

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and we've shared it a few times to try and get it out there.

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But if you go to the front page of our website and you should,

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you'll be able to find a link directly to it.

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Okay, and does that also include any information about what we're talking about today

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with regard to Sandy Beach or the library and the money is needed for that

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and how that may affect taxes?

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No, because we don't know the council hasn't taken action.

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No, yes, I understand that.

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But I'm just getting a little bit of ahead of it and just trying to think about what questions

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someone would have if they were wondering about that.

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Yeah.

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We'll be talking about the, on the capital side, we'll be talking about the capital improvement

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plan, starting at Polar Works Board next week as part of that.

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We do get an analysis from our financial advisors as far as what those projects, what tax impact

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those projects would have, you know what what their impact it would be on a home

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value of X dollars and so that piece of it will be determined as far as the

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operating side, the operating levy, we'll probably have to wait until we get

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what the net new construction is going to be and get deeper into conversations

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about the 2026 budget. So what I'm hearing you say is just saying so it's on the

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record. Everyone can go online to look for the more spelled out version of what you've

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said and that also to pay attention to Ellers report coming out and look in the area with

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regard to the tax impact of a certain percentage or a certain type of household cost, correct?

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there will be information like that and then we also begin deliberations and

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discussions on the annual budget upcoming here in September. Yes. Okay. Thanks.

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Okay. I had a quick question on the at taxing jurisdictions. Just wondering if

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the community that maybe has a higher assessment value as compared to the

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other maybe townships in the instance of our school district with the

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community with the higher assessments be penalized, or is it broken into different segments for that process?

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No, it gets equal, you get an equalized value, an equalized rate, which is how the state equalizes that amongst different municipalities.

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So, for example, we have been assessing at 67% of fair market value is what our last one was and so that gets denoted when the equalized mill rate is being calculated and so it controls for those, you know, if we are valued higher truly, if the property values are higher, then it may, it's possible.

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then it's that from the school district's perspective it's your value in

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relation to all of the value in the school district and so if your property is

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high is of a higher than average value then your share of the pie is higher so

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from that regard yes if there's higher if there's higher

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valuations in relation to the valuations of other and to other properties outside

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side of the city of late mills that can have an impact, but just because we were assessing

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at 67% of fair market value does not mean that our value was not being, that we weren't

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already a higher value in comparison to the others because they equalize it at the state

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level.

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So it's assessed across this jurisdiction evenly then?

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You're right, the equalized value is how the state attempts to control for the different

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schedules that municipalities on for assessing to fair market value.

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Every municipality in the state of Wisconsin has to be within 10 percent of fair market

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value at least once within five years.

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So you can't be, you have to be between 90 percent and 110 percent as soon as you fall typically

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it's below as soon as you fall below 90% at a certain point after I think it's three years you get

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a first notice and then you get a second notice in the fourth year and then you get a third notice

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and if you still haven't undertaken a revaluation that you then have a state monitored revaluation and

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so they will mandate an order in our case the city they would mandate they would have mandated us to

431
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,580
do a revaluation had we not decided to do one when we did.

432
00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:15,960
And so that's the requirement placed on municipalities is they want everyone, mandate

433
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,200
everyone to be 90% to 110% of what is deemed fair market value.

434
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,060
Thank you.

435
00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:28,910
Any other questions or comments for our city manager?

436
00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:32,080
Okay.

437
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:33,160
Thank you, Drake.

438
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:40,740
So now we will move on to Council business and our first item is Resolution 25-42.

439
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:43,060
Ms. Steve, would you read that title please?

440
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:49,900
City Council Resolution 25-42, conditional use permit declarations and findings, petitioner

441
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:54,880
St. Vincent de Paul Society, conditional use to allow multiple principal structures on one parcel,

442
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:02,020
720 East Lake Street Lake, Mills, Wisconsin, parcel number 24607131312005

443
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:06,080
and 2, 4, 6, 0, 7, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1, 3, 0, 2, 1.

444
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:13,010
Okay, why don't we go to staff summary of this one before we get a motion?

445
00:42:13,850 --> 00:42:14,890
Good evening, council.

446
00:42:16,030 --> 00:42:20,050
This request in front of you doesn't have a whole lot of moving parts like

447
00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:21,190
a normal conditional use.

448
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:26,730
It's more or less a request to allow two principal structures on one parcel.

449
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:29,430
The way this came about is Saint Vincent.

450
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:37,190
in their main building on 720 East Lake Street, purchased in a Jason property of self-CP Avenue,

451
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:43,150
a 203 self-CP Avenue. And in order for them to move forward with their design,

452
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:49,170
they're going to have a walkway slash parking between the two buildings.

453
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:55,030
So they wanted to drop the parcel, the property line, and make it one big parcel there in the corner.

454
00:42:55,650 --> 00:43:03,250
Our ordinance doesn't allow multiple principal structures on one parcel without a conditional use.

455
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:11,170
We him hot around and thought maybe we would use this, consider this an accessory structure to the main building.

456
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:19,690
But staff just kind of decided this would be a cleaner way to address this because it's already its own principal structure on its own parcel.

457
00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:25,970
And we just didn't want to leave that as a gray area as an interpretation to be an accessory structure.

458
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:36,090
So, um, asking Vincent to apply for a conditional use to ask you guys for an allowance to have two principal structures on one parcel.

459
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:41,200
Thank you. Any questions for our zoning administrator?

460
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,940
Good. Great. Coats. Do you have a question?

461
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:46,960
There you go.

462
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,580
Oh, no.

463
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,360
I tied it in.

464
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,220
Why is it necessary to combine the parcels, then, why not just leave them as two separate

465
00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:55,700
parcels?

466
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,720
Well, the main reason is setback issues.

467
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:03,400
They wouldn't be able to have a drive way across, and really preference for them.

468
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,260
There is some representation here that they'd be able to answer a question for you exactly

469
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:13,540
why they wanted to do it, but it cleaned it up for them to kind of use this building part

470
00:44:13,540 --> 00:44:20,800
food pantry back and forth and I guess maybe there would be a different answer. I guess I'm

471
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,220
looking to you guys to see if there's anything that would clear that up.

472
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:29,760
Can you give us your name

473
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:37,940
please? Logan Ferry Keller Incorporated here on behalf of St. Vincent de Paul. We were engaged with

474
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:44,360
St. Vincent de Paul starting in 2023. Went through a few different plans. The original goal was to

475
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,440
tried to move the food pantry out of the main store building into the

476
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:53,180
Collagen Building with setbacks, with where the buildings currently located, it

477
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:58,800
just didn't make sense. The impacts of stormwater ensuer to

478
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,730
The parking lot we would have had to add for the food pantry was just cost prohibitive to the group. So the goal now is really to expand the food pantries footprint within the store building and make the call again building just a warehouse basically. So the goal is really to be able to move product from one building to the other without going on the main streets to keep the volunteers and the staff safe. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions for the consultant? Great.

479
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:33,230
It's just a statement that it was recommended for approval from the Planned Commission.

480
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:34,910
Thank you.

481
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:42,550
I will move to approve City Council Resolution 25-42, the conditional use permit, declarations

482
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:45,650
and findings for the petitioner St. Vincent de Paul Society.

483
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:46,470
Second.

484
00:45:47,330 --> 00:45:50,970
Okay, we have a motion by Ms. Schmeger, seconded by Ms. Kuehnow.

485
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:53,290
Troy, I have a question.

486
00:45:53,290 --> 00:45:58,070
And so is this, if we approve this conditional use permit,

487
00:45:58,250 --> 00:46:01,190
is it just for the specified uses that are in their application,

488
00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:05,790
then the expansion of driveway and so forth that is in their application,

489
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:11,450
as opposed to like now for approving two principal structures,

490
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:17,030
could they make some completely different use of that second principal structure

491
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:19,170
under this permit or would they have to come back?

492
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:29,910
Sure, so you're really just allowing two principal structures that you're not really the use is still up to them right so they could change the use if they wanted to.

493
00:46:30,590 --> 00:46:43,970
I guess I should note that if you don't allow this two principal structures, we wouldn't be able to move forward and pass the CSM to create one part so it would still be a divided two parts so if you were worried about that.

494
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:52,250
But I mean, they own both those buildings, they'd be able to do whatever is allowed by zoning rights in that building from here on out.

495
00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:57,170
But basically just allowing the two principal structures to be on one parcel.

496
00:46:57,390 --> 00:47:00,430
But yeah, we're not really dictating the use of that right now.

497
00:47:00,870 --> 00:47:01,670
Okay, thank you.

498
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:03,230
I just wanted to make sure I understood that.

499
00:47:04,690 --> 00:47:07,310
Any other questions regarding this proposal?

500
00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:13,550
Okay, seeing none, can we have a roll call vote on resolution 25-42?

501
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:15,810
Mr. Mayer.

502
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:16,610
Aye.

503
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:18,250
Mr. Cuadno.

504
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:18,850
Aye.

505
00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:20,250
Mr. Coots.

506
00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:20,790
Aye.

507
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:22,090
Mr. Waters.

508
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:22,990
Aye.

509
00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:24,390
Mr. Curler.

510
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:25,050
Aye.

511
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:27,190
Motion passes 5-0.

512
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:29,550
Thank you.

513
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:33,430
Next agenda item is Resolution 25-43.

514
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:35,270
Mr. Would you read that one for us?

515
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:38,890
City Council Resolution 25-43.

516
00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:41,330
Final reduction and release of financial guarantee.

517
00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:45,490
White Oak Home Builders LLC, North Oak Town Homes Development.

518
00:47:48,760 --> 00:48:00,200
I move to approve City Council Resolution 25-43, final reduction and release of financial guarantee of White Oak Home Builders LLC, North Oak Town Homes Development.

519
00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:04,310
So second.

520
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:05,110
I'll second.

521
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:09,010
Okay, we have a motion by Ms. Quedna, second by Ms. Schmager.

522
00:48:09,610 --> 00:48:11,410
Stephanie, summary that you would like to provide.

523
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:18,330
We've exited the warranty period for the public infrastructure as part of the development.

524
00:48:19,090 --> 00:48:29,210
There have been inspections of the project to ensure that what was constructed is what was agreed upon as part of the plan.

525
00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:38,830
And therefore there's no longer a reason for the city to be holding the letter of credit and we recommend reduction and release of the final letter of credit.

526
00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:41,010
financial guarantee from North Oak Town Homes.

527
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:44,150
Thank you. Any questions or discussion?

528
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:46,210
Greg Waters.

529
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:49,590
And this closes the financial obligations, okay.

530
00:48:50,390 --> 00:49:01,030
Correct. So we would, this would, we wouldn't have a mechanism to draw upon it for a deficiency,

531
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:04,290
but we're outside of the warranty period regardless.

532
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:10,050
list. And so this is a small portion of what the letter of credit originally was. It's

533
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:16,690
been reduced several times over the last couple of years. And so with the warranty period

534
00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:24,250
expiring and the final inspections being complete, we don't, there's no need for the

535
00:49:24,250 --> 00:49:29,450
city to continue holding it or really a justification for us to continue holding.

536
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:33,040
And it's specific

537
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:40,180
the public infrastructure which has been inspected by the appropriate city staff as well as engineers

538
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:48,220
and deemed accepted and we have a one year warranty period I think at acceptance and then that has

539
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:57,580
recently expired. Thank you. Any other questions or discussion? Hasing none Mr. Can you do a roll call

540
00:49:57,580 --> 00:50:00,940
I'll vote on Resolution 25-43.

541
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:02,940
Ms. Cuidno.

542
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:04,060
Aye.

543
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,760
Mr. Cuidz.

544
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,500
Aye.

545
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:07,960
Mr. Waters.

546
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:08,940
Aye.

547
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,580
Ms. Curler.

548
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Aye.

549
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:12,580
Ms. Schmager.

550
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:13,420
Aye.

551
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:15,480
Motion passes 5-0.

552
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:18,120
Thank you.

553
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,420
Next item is Resolution 25-44.

554
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,280
Ms. Tuba, do you read that title for us?

555
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:26,700
City Council Resolution 25-44.

556
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:31,420
Rejecting all bids for Lyndon Street sewer and water project. Lake Mills, Wisconsin.

557
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:37,850
Drake, you want to give us the staff report on this?

558
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:42,470
Sure, so if you recall, we originally bid this item as an alternative to Milton Street.

559
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:47,890
At that time, rejected that alternative due to costs. We chose to bid again.

560
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:56,790
We did see a minor reduction in cost through that bidding process, but we are still in excess of $200,000 for the extension of utilities.

561
00:50:56,790 --> 00:51:06,110
There was an alternate bid in this as well for some minor storm water improvements, which was about $11,000 additional.

562
00:51:09,330 --> 00:51:13,290
It's significantly higher than what the opinion of probable cost was.

563
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:18,810
We were expecting it to be more around the $175,000 range.

564
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:23,690
the there's only three properties that this service that this main I should say

565
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:28,090
would serve and sell that cost on pass city practice would be to special

566
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:32,010
assess the cost and divided amongst those three properties only one of the

567
00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:37,010
properties is currently annexed in the city can't special assess township

568
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:41,250
properties without permission from the town board and therefore we'd have to

569
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:47,430
recoup costs at the time of annexation prop likely through connection fees or

570
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:49,230
or something of that nature at the time.

571
00:51:51,830 --> 00:51:55,330
In excess of $70,000 per household,

572
00:51:55,530 --> 00:51:58,070
this is a difficult project because it's such a short stretch

573
00:51:58,070 --> 00:52:01,510
and the pricing is much higher than we would have anticipated

574
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:06,730
or seen in the past with what is likely just market increases

575
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:08,470
in costs that we've seen.

576
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:11,970
So there are some options for you laid out in the memo.

577
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:16,630
It has been city practice to special assess for these.

578
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:22,350
it is the city's prerogative, whether to do so and how much to special assess so you could award

579
00:52:23,110 --> 00:52:28,250
and choose to special assess a portion or none at all and complete the project as it was bid which

580
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:33,470
would bring water and sewer, you know, into into Lyndon Street.

581
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:38,630
If the based on past city practice

582
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:43,570
is where we're recommending the rejection of all bids that we consider that the full assessment of

583
00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:48,290
costs to those three properties would be cost prohibitive on those property owners.

584
00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:53,890
Even you can give, there is a 10 year period of payback, but it's still a significant

585
00:52:53,890 --> 00:53:01,410
amount, especially as the city wouldn't even be able to recoup many of those costs regardless

586
00:53:01,410 --> 00:53:04,350
until those additional properties annexed.

587
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:10,150
If we do reject all bids, what we will likely look at doing is we've been in talks with some

588
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:17,150
contractors for what would essentially be a long service from the main on Pine Street

589
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:23,650
and extending to the property line of the annexed property and so that would be a sewer

590
00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:29,830
only solution. There would not be a similar water extension at that time as the well is

591
00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:35,450
still in good working order and is not failing at this time. That would reduce the city's

592
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:42,290
costs significantly that would be ultimately special assessed under past practice by the city.

593
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:47,770
We'd still be looking at a total estimated cost that none of these would be final numbers

594
00:53:47,770 --> 00:53:54,050
until we have formalized the quotes we've received as well as coordinated with the property

595
00:53:54,050 --> 00:54:00,070
owner for the private side, but essentially we'd bring it to the property line where we're

596
00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:06,310
between 15, around $15,000, between $15,000 and $20,000

597
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:10,610
an additional 15 on the estimated on the private side

598
00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:15,650
for a grinder pump as well as piping on the private side

599
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:15,990
of things.

600
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:20,270
So we're still looking at a $25,000 to $30,000 total cost

601
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,350
for this.

602
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:27,030
But obviously significantly less than what

603
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:29,630
that would be required if we went with the full project.

604
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:35,350
So there's also a question of special assessments

605
00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:37,130
and how the city council would like to,

606
00:54:39,130 --> 00:54:41,010
whether the city council wants to continue

607
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:44,690
with the past practice that we've done over many, many years.

608
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:48,010
Otherwise, there is an option we've been exploring

609
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:49,430
for a lower cost option.

610
00:54:49,550 --> 00:54:51,770
We have talked to the property owner about it.

611
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:56,250
Property owner does have a contract around their side

612
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:59,530
that they've been talking to for that for this potential solution.

613
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:02,730
We have gotten three quotes.

614
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:09,030
We need to clarify a few things with them before we could move forward on this option.

615
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:13,710
It's under, the city cost would be under $25,000 on that, so we wouldn't need another formal

616
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:14,630
bidding process.

617
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:20,150
It just requires notice that we're moving forward with this project, and so those are kind

618
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:21,870
of the options that lay before us.

619
00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:40,450
But do you see the recommendation to reject all bids before you because of the significant cost that it would be born by the current property owner at this point because of if we continued with the way the city has practice this in the past?

620
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:49,530
Okay, are there any questions or discussion regarding this resolution or the staff report?

621
00:55:49,530 --> 00:55:50,490
I

622
00:55:53,020 --> 00:56:21,240
think I have a question, so we originally included this in a Milton Street bid and then it came out, you know, higher than expected would, including it in, you know, the prospect street bid next year or with some of their project with that also be an alternative or you think it's just not likely to go down very much it's possible, but there's also a timing consideration here and that the city is obligated to provide service.

623
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:28,100
service to this property, they've annexed into the city, they're unable to obtain a new

624
00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:37,440
septic permit under county regulations and so we need to find a solution for the property

625
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:45,100
owner before they would encounter a significant failure and so waiting until the next bidding

626
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:55,120
cycle that septic would have to survive, operate until, you know, June at the earliest

627
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:01,240
of next year, which is likely not practical.

628
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:09,850
And then just as a follow-up, so the alternative solution that involves a line just to this

629
00:57:09,850 --> 00:57:15,030
home for just the sewer, if there was some point in time that the other properties annexed

630
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:21,350
then would we then proceed with doing the full project of water and sewer and then this

631
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:23,530
temporary sewer line would be just temporary?

632
00:57:25,290 --> 00:57:27,930
We could look at services to each property.

633
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:30,530
We'd have to evaluate it at that time.

634
00:57:30,690 --> 00:57:33,170
The service solution is not perfect by any means.

635
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:41,700
So it's possible that we could then bring a main up at that point.

636
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,880
It's also possible that if we don't know what the property owners may do in the future

637
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:56,960
if they choose to sell, if this is kind of a commercial corridor of the city of Lake

638
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,320
Mills right now, so as property owners want to sell their properties, does a commercial

639
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:11,500
entity that wants to develop retail or something of that nature in that area, purchase properties

640
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:17,940
from property owners at which case it makes more financially viable for them to handle

641
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:23,620
the cost of the full water and sewer extension. We have not heard from the other property

642
00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:32,000
owners that their wells or sewers are coming up on failure. They could contact us at

643
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,980
any time but they haven't to this point told us that they're coming up on a failure.

644
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:36,100
here.

645
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,220
So it would be simpler if everything happened altogether, right? All three properties

646
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:49,640
required service, but that's not typically how these things work out for us. And so it's

647
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,140
one of those, it's not a great answer, but we'll kind of have to figure out what we would

648
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:59,240
do moving forward. If we did, if we do go the service route here, we can obviously extend

649
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,900
more services off the main. It gets more expensive. This is the middle.

650
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:08,860
So there's another

651
00:59:08,860 --> 00:59:15,500
property just further on lending which would be it further costs to do a service on. We could

652
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:21,660
also choose to incorporate it into a future project without the intention to special assess

653
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:27,780
at that time and allow people to allow those residents to hook up if we got more favorable pricing

654
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:30,320
in there. This is unique.

655
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:37,040
There's just so few homes that would be served by this extension.

656
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:43,540
And so there's very few economies of scale to reduce the costs of this that would be ultimately

657
00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:51,660
borne by the property owner. And so that's why we're looking at what is perhaps a suboptimal option

658
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:58,310
from the city's perspective, but one that allows us to fulfill our obligation to the homeowner and

659
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,900
I would be placed on them. Thank you. Any further discussion, Mary? I'm curious. If we have, you have an example where we've done this before and how much the special assessment was for each homeowner, like a longer street that would have had more, how much would they have spent per person or per household? I could come up with it, but not. Okay. I don't have it for you. I'm just trying to understand the reasonableness between what we've made. Someone else may have faced in this scenario.

660
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:43,140
this $70,000 does not seem, I agree that it's not, you know, a cost I would want to pass on, but the alternative and at least the cost of it sounds reasonable.

661
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:48,560
What are the risks for that solution, are there any risks that are going to be more cost?

662
01:00:50,820 --> 01:01:10,760
The most recent farmers and merchants bank annexed in the city did not extend at that time because they had functioning wells, they're on city sewer, did not extend water, but there is an agreement with them that when water is available, they'll pay for their portion of that connection.

663
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:20,880
So we have we have done that in the past, but that's a little different because they're not receiving any water service from the city right now and they have they had a functioning well it wasn't expiring.

664
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:33,550
I would have to do some research on what our past special assessments have been we have not done a special assessment since I have been with the city the last three years.

665
01:01:33,550 --> 01:01:43,050
So we're likely going several years back, which was in a different bidding environment than we've seen since in the inflationary years.

666
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:48,110
And that, you know, the current environment that we're in.

667
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:52,800
Any further, Greg?

668
01:01:54,780 --> 01:02:01,020
On that temporary single service, how long would we project it?

669
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:06,580
that would it'll last it'll last for a significant amount of time. I wouldn't we

670
01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:11,000
don't have to call it temporary. It could function for the life of that of the

671
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,560
pipe that's in the ground essentially.

672
01:02:21,380 --> 01:02:26,500
So there's a so there's a grind there's

673
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:31,340
as a part of the service there's a grinder pump that grinder pump would 10

674
01:02:31,340 --> 01:02:37,260
years on that but the pipe in the ground will last longer than the pump

675
01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:43,240
The pump will, the piping they put on the private side to bring service into the home will last.

676
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:54,160
And so, we could connect to it in the future if we were available and we could take into consideration the amount that's already been paid by that property at that time.

677
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:03,800
So, we don't expect it failing, you know, the pump will fail before the pipes do.

678
01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:09,000
Any other questions or comments?

679
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,600
And the pump will be privately, privately owned.

680
01:03:16,070 --> 01:03:20,790
Okay, we need a motion on this Resolution 25-44.

681
01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:30,110
A motion to approve City Council Resolution 25-44, which is to reject all bids for Lyndon Street sewer and water project.

682
01:03:33,090 --> 01:03:33,530
Second.

683
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:38,530
We have a motion by Mr. Water, seconded by Mr. Maker, any further discussion.

684
01:03:38,530 --> 01:03:43,890
motion. Seeing none, Mr. Wood you please call the roll on resolution 25-44.

685
01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:46,570
Mr. Coots.

686
01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:47,250
Aye.

687
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:48,570
Mr. Waters.

688
01:03:49,230 --> 01:03:49,570
Aye.

689
01:03:50,350 --> 01:03:51,070
Ms. Curler.

690
01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:51,910
Aye.

691
01:03:52,850 --> 01:03:53,310
Mr. Manger.

692
01:03:53,810 --> 01:03:53,990
Aye.

693
01:03:54,690 --> 01:03:55,370
Ms. Quedno.

694
01:03:55,850 --> 01:03:56,070
Aye.

695
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:58,110
Motion passes 5-0.

696
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,140
Thank you. Next resolution is 25-45.

697
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,000
Mr. Wood you read that one for us.

698
01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:18,820
City Council Resolution 25-45, authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with Midwest, SIP and Social for the provision of seasonal non-alcoholic beverage concession services at Sandy Beach Park.

699
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:23,300
Is there a motion?

700
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:36,420
A motion to approve City Council Resolution 25-45, authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with Midwest, SIP and Social.

701
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:45,540
I think I heard Mr. Coots first, so most of my Mr. Waters, seconded by Mr. Coots.

702
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,440
Dray Kinney, explanation or something.

703
01:04:49,540 --> 01:04:54,540
This lease agreement was approved in template form by the City Council many years ago.

704
01:04:55,210 --> 01:05:00,600
This is a standard agreement that the City enters into, we recommend approval.

705
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:06,480
So, there's just a proving another vendor under the correct agreement.

706
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,260
Any questions or discussion?

707
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:08,600
Mary.

708
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:09,720
I just have one question.

709
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,880
I'm curious to know where the, there have been some feedback from some citizens

710
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,680
regarding the scheduling of the food trucks in past time.

711
01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:24,920
And there is a clause that says a reasonable schedule and it talks about the schedule.

712
01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:30,160
How does that fit in with as far as like noncompliance or how do we manage a schedule

713
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:39,600
and just to make sure that we're kind of not causing consternation with our participants

714
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,220
there at Sandy Beach when they're expecting something and it's possibly not there.

715
01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:48,500
That would affect their ability to renew at least in following seasons if they're not

716
01:05:48,500 --> 01:05:50,220
following through with a reasonable schedule.

717
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,580
It doesn't state specifically like Monday through Sunday.

718
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,540
These are the schedules in the hours that you'll have and there's no minimum set of hours.

719
01:05:57,540 --> 01:06:15,140
But if they're not there actually conducting service, they're really not providing a service to the parkgoers, so that could very well impact lease approval for the following seasons because once these leases are approved, it would just be a agreement and following ceases between the vendor and the city to continue conducting business at CNE Beach.

720
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:22,100
So if a vendor is really not working for us, not providing the service, we would have the ability to avoid a lease with them.

721
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:22,520
Okay.

722
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:24,700
Does that answer your question?

723
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:25,320
Yeah.

724
01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:32,240
So essentially what you're confirming is that we are pretty open to how, when they show

725
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,220
up, then when they're there, we're not holding them to a schedule.

726
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,240
I was reading in the contract language.

727
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,840
There was agreed upon schedule.

728
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:47,220
So it gave me the impression that they said they would be here X days, X hours.

729
01:06:47,580 --> 01:06:49,140
And so that we, that was agreed upon.

730
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:53,180
so that you're kind of suggesting that they're just we're not kind of that tight.

731
01:06:53,480 --> 01:07:03,400
There is no penalty clause in it, other than non-renewable of the lease and so the enforcement mechanism

732
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:09,760
for someone not showing up doesn't really exist. We have talked internally about whether we want to

733
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:16,140
change the structure and how they compensate the city for the lease and whether that includes

734
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:26,860
a fee instead of a percentage of sales, a fee up front so that they would want to be here to

735
01:07:26,860 --> 01:07:35,000
recoup the cost of that. We haven't really moved in earnest on changing any of this lease template

736
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:41,820
until we kind of know what the city wants to do at Sandy Beach with food service. So there's

737
01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:54,300
There's things we could explore, but if the council doesn't view food trucks as a long-term service at Sandy Beach, then it may not be worth it to go down that path.

738
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:55,400
Thanks.

739
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:57,240
Thanks, Eric.

740
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,760
Any other questions or discussion on Resolution 25-45?

741
01:08:06,330 --> 01:08:10,190
Seeing none, Ms. Lee, would you please call the rule on Resolution 25-45?

742
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:12,710
5. Mr. Waters.

743
01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:13,930
Aye.

744
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:15,110
Ms. Curler.

745
01:08:15,490 --> 01:08:15,730
Aye.

746
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:16,950
Ms. Mager.

747
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:17,810
Aye.

748
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:19,090
Ms. Kudno.

749
01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:19,790
Aye.

750
01:08:20,530 --> 01:08:21,210
Mr. Kudz.

751
01:08:21,570 --> 01:08:21,790
Aye.

752
01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:23,870
Motion passes 5-0.

753
01:08:25,270 --> 01:08:26,290
Thank you.

754
01:08:26,770 --> 01:08:30,190
Our next item is Resolution 25-46.

755
01:08:30,810 --> 01:08:32,310
Ms. Tudz, would you read that one for us?

756
01:08:33,170 --> 01:08:39,830
City Council Resolution 25-46, committing 2,500,000 towards the LD Fargo Public Library

757
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:41,470
I

758
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:54,200
move to approve City Council Resolution 25-46, committing $2.5 million toward the L.D. Fargo Public Library Expansion Project.

759
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:59,070
Motion by Ms. Quedna, I was here a second.

760
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,340
Mr. Coots will second.

761
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,020
Seconded by Mr. Coots.

762
01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:10,140
Okay, I see our drake, are you presenting the search, we want to have a quick one.

763
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:17,780
If there's questions, I would invite the city council to have the library director up or any representative that they have here if you have questions

764
01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:24,060
And we need a detailed financials. I can as I say we had a detailed presentation last time so I don't know

765
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:29,860
People have specific questions for the library director. Are you want to just go into discussion Greg

766
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,680
Waters? Why don't you kick it off?

767
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,240
I'd like to make an amendment to this

768
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:44,080
Resolution I rewrote it because there was

769
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,080
2.5 was listed three times, so I just rewrote it.

770
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,960
But it's basically committing a 50% matching contribution,

771
01:09:53,220 --> 01:10:00,380
not to exceed 2.5 towards the LD Fargo Public Library Expansion project.

772
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:03,340
So, there's copies that way.

773
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:06,500
So, this is a complete replacement.

774
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,480
Placement, comment.

775
01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:11,460
There's one extra copy for Misty at the end.

776
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:11,660
And

777
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,020
can you maybe walk us through what's different?

778
01:10:20,540 --> 01:10:25,180
I can read it, I did fluff it up a little bit.

779
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:39,760
Whereas the LDFARGO Public Library Board of Trustees has identified the expansion of the library facility as a significant priority to maintaining enhancing services to the community.

780
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:47,620
And whereas the Board of Trustees has estimated a budget of $4.5 million for the expansion project.

781
01:10:48,020 --> 01:11:01,000
And whereas the financial feasibility of the project requires a partnership between the City of Lake Mills and other funding sources including grants, foundation support, and private donations.

782
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:08,700
And whereas the City of Lake Mills is willing to provide 50% matching contribution to support this project,

783
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:12,220
not to exceed 2.5 million in total city funds.

784
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:18,420
And whereas the remaining funds, at least 2 million will be secured through non-city sources,

785
01:11:18,980 --> 01:11:22,160
including grants, foundation contributions, and private donations.

786
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:30,980
And whereas in 2025, a referendum has been held asking the voters of the City of Lake Mills

787
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:56,400
to support a city contribution of up to 2.5 million for the Library Expansion Project and 55% of the voters approved, whereas LD Fargo Public Library provides essential education, cultural, and informational services to the city's growing population, and whereas proposed expansion of the LD Public Library is in the best interest of the city and its residents.

788
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:24,100
now therefore be it resolved by the City Council of the City Council, the City of Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin, that the City Council hereby commits to fund 50% of the total cost of the L.D. Fargo Public Library Expansion Project with the city's total contribution not to exceed 2.5 million to be budgeted for the year 2027 adopted on this day.

789
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:24,160
Okay,

790
01:12:28,190 --> 01:12:34,930
so we have amendment, motion for an amendment proposed by Greg Waters.

791
01:12:36,230 --> 01:12:40,590
Can I second, I will second, the motion, we have a motion by Mr.

792
01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:42,350
Waters, seconded by Ms. Schmaker.

793
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:51,110
As far as housekeeping, Attorney Drescher, would it be appropriate to label this resolution with a letter A at the end?

794
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:53,750
And then that's, since it's a complete replacement.

795
01:12:54,550 --> 01:13:02,490
Okay. So we'll refer to this now. We haven't voted yet, but we'll refer to this as resolution 25-46A.

796
01:13:03,210 --> 01:13:08,570
So we have a motion and a second. So let's have discussion on the proposed amendment.

797
01:13:10,210 --> 01:13:13,710
Greg, do you want to give any further information about the purpose of your amendment?

798
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:21,230
Well, my thoughts is that the City Council would be willing to support the project up to 50%, but not to exceed that amount.

799
01:13:21,230 --> 01:13:26,790
currently as written we would be exceeding 50% amount and I think it's more

800
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:32,310
appropriate to be at this level. Hopefully we can get more contributions from

801
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:37,510
the community and still donate the 2.5 and take it up to about a 5 million

802
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:42,610
dollar project but that's up to the library foundation and their fundraising

803
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:47,270
efforts so it does leave it open for that possibility.

804
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:51,940
Any other discussion Mary?

805
01:13:51,940 --> 01:14:09,860
So I support the 50% matching contribution, I think it puts a balanced perspective and skin in the game for the library board to really go after the funds and the city then being at equal share.

806
01:14:09,860 --> 01:14:18,800
I am pausing on $2.5 million. I still am concerned with not having the CIP in front

807
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:26,160
of us to know what we are planning to commit to in the next year but feeding into 2027

808
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:31,480
and the overall impact on whatever happens with the new mill rate.

809
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:36,860
And we haven't made our decision yet on our Sandy Beach investment which is on the CIP.

810
01:14:36,860 --> 01:14:44,340
And so I am worried that when I think about what is it that if we had to say we are comfortable

811
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:54,080
adding X percent increase to our citizens pocketbooks, what would that increase look like and

812
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,500
then how does the money we provide to this and other

813
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Through things all apply when we look at it as a whole against our strategy, because our strategy had, did not have this, I mentioned the last meeting, I'm mentioning today, the city, I 100% support the city being a contributor. But I am worried about the amount that without having the big picture that this is a big, it's a large amount, but we have other large investments that we have been discussing that I don't know what

814
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:35,520
that they are and so I feel like it's going to be an end and an end and then when we look

815
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:42,140
at it as a whole we have pushed some of our citizens out of their ability to stay here.

816
01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:53,760
So I would have said at an exact amount to be determined after we have the CIP discussion

817
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,360
which would be in a few weeks so I would it's like a pause just on committing to two and

818
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,640
and a half today, reckonings, I'd like the 50%,

819
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,660
but I might be 50% up to 2 million,

820
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,520
depending on what the CIP looks like,

821
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,040
and when we balance 2027 and look at that,

822
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,080
what can we afford, or what do we want to afford,

823
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,240
and maybe it is two and a half might fit in beautifully,

824
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:17,100
but I feel like I don't know yet

825
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:18,560
because we haven't had that discussion

826
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,940
about some other big hitters that were in our priority set.

827
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:26,010
Can I make a comment?

828
01:16:26,150 --> 01:16:31,830
Yeah, Michelle, I have to formulate my words correctly here.

829
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:39,400
There will always be something, we know that there's upcoming projects.

830
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:45,760
We know that at 20 years down the line there's going to be a need for a potential wastewater

831
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,420
treatment plant that's going to be a ton of money in comparison to this.

832
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:58,680
I am well aware of the need that the community had for updating our Sandy Beach and that has

833
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,960
been a long time going project, but so is the library.

834
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:15,340
And as I've mentioned before, the library has not requested funds to grow in any capacity.

835
01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:25,540
I would hate for it to be held up because of worry that there would be another cost for

836
01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:32,580
something else when we know for a fact that this is going to benefit our community.

837
01:17:33,740 --> 01:17:41,660
The Sandy Beach will benefit our community too, but I would be, I would really hesitate

838
01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:45,740
in saying that one is better than the other, that's not where I'm going with this.

839
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:54,940
What I'm thinking about is how that money will pay dividends down the line, and there's

840
01:17:54,940 --> 01:18:00,260
a good chance that, you know, it'll be another 75 years before the library asks for money

841
01:18:00,260 --> 01:18:05,220
again because we have expanded to a point that we can be, you know, meet that capacity

842
01:18:05,220 --> 01:18:05,920
of services.

843
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:14,240
And as far as, you know, we've been dealing with a lot of communication with

844
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:19,080
regard to assessments and a lot of people are really freaking out thinking that this is

845
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:26,820
going to greatly impact their ability to stay in Lake Mills and I would caution that thinking.

846
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:38,390
I would caution the way that it will, we have to spend money sometimes to do the things

847
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:43,370
that are beneficial for all and this is one of those situations where I think it's important

848
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:49,890
that we recognize this is a community need and a community service that Greg did a very

849
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:55,650
a good job of highlighting more specifically the things that this community benefits from

850
01:18:55,650 --> 01:19:04,310
from the library with increasing those, with increasing the size and where over 50% of

851
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:11,590
it is there to help children, I cannot, I cannot come up with a better investment in my

852
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:11,930
mind.

853
01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:12,050
And

854
01:19:14,670 --> 01:19:15,970
thank you, Michelle.

855
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:19,550
I guess I'd like to weigh in on this.

856
01:19:20,150 --> 01:19:24,350
I'm, I think generally in support of your amendment, Greg.

857
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:29,510
And I particularly like how you highlighted that it is a partnership.

858
01:19:29,850 --> 01:19:37,390
It requires a partnership between the city, other funding sources, foundations, private donations,

859
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:38,350
et cetera.

860
01:19:39,330 --> 01:19:43,290
The city owns the building and owns the property.

861
01:19:43,290 --> 01:20:10,570
It's sort of a unique situation, because the city owns the building, the library board is a separate entity that governs the operations and the decision making there, but I think it's reasonable for the library board and for the community to expect that the city would contribute a significant amount toward an expansion project since we will be, you know, continue to be the owner of the property.

862
01:20:12,570 --> 01:20:24,250
I appreciate your remarks, Mary, about, you know, how does this line up with the CIP and the other things that, you know, we know that we're going to need to make investments in.

863
01:20:25,930 --> 01:20:34,130
But when we need to make investments, I think we can do them quickly when we needed to buy a ladder truck, we did it.

864
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:40,790
we knew we needed to do it was long overdue and I believe that this expansion project is

865
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:45,290
a long overdue and the library board and the community has been working on this for

866
01:20:45,290 --> 01:20:51,210
a very long time so I'm prepared to make to vote on that commitment tonight because I

867
01:20:51,210 --> 01:20:58,030
think the it's needed if they're going to raise their matching share they're going to need

868
01:20:58,030 --> 01:21:03,510
to get started and I think if we can we've had a placeholder for up to four million dollars

869
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:06,170
I think in our CIP in past year.

870
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:13,190
So this is not as much as that, but I think it's a kind of project that we shouldn't just

871
01:21:13,190 --> 01:21:17,770
wait and say, well, until we know about this or this or that or the other thing, I think

872
01:21:17,770 --> 01:21:19,230
we should make a commitment to this.

873
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:24,510
Any other discussion, Mr. Kutes?

874
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:25,010
Do I say something?

875
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:25,230
Yeah.

876
01:21:25,670 --> 01:21:35,870
I mean, I'm concerned about the CIP too, but this is the only one of these special projects

877
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:41,730
that were talking about and considering coming, you know, in the future that has already passed

878
01:21:41,730 --> 01:21:48,370
a referendum. And the referendum that was passed by the voters wasn't conditional or matching

879
01:21:48,370 --> 01:21:52,770
or anything like that. It was for a set amount.

880
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,480
I don't need to go into the whole history. I thought

881
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:07,440
that part of the presentation probably took a little bit too long, last week. But I understand that

882
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:17,550
the library has put a lot of time and effort into the plans and I am willing, I'm going

883
01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:21,570
to be voting against the amended resolution not because I don't want to fund the library

884
01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:27,030
but because I want to fund it completely and not in a matching way. I'll be voting to

885
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:33,050
fund the library regardless of which version of this passes but I think we should commit

886
01:22:33,050 --> 01:22:47,930
2.5 million dollars to it, especially because the library has said several times that a commitment from the city would assist in their fundraising efforts and I would like to make that commitment and not hedge my bets on the commitment, either.

887
01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:52,250
Any further comments or discussions?

888
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:53,850
We're still discussing the amendment.

889
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:56,510
Can I follow up with the great?

890
01:22:56,850 --> 01:23:01,790
I completely agree with Greg's comment that, and I'm sorry at the end point so

891
01:23:01,790 --> 01:23:10,990
before, that the fundraising and the commitment from other entities is really very much based

892
01:23:10,990 --> 01:23:13,170
on whether or not we commit.

893
01:23:13,170 --> 01:23:23,930
that committing on condition may impact the ability for other entities to be able to provide those services or those funds.

894
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:34,550
And I think in the situation where we're in, where we're looking at the potential of even an increase of 10% because of inflation,

895
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:42,810
we really should do the whole kitten caboodle and do the 2.5 and commit that and stick to it.

896
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:50,690
whether because if we try to say, well, if the, if the board or whomever gets 2 million,

897
01:23:50,910 --> 01:23:56,150
then we'll give 2 million, but then it will, it'll be too late to be able to provide

898
01:23:56,150 --> 01:23:58,870
the services at the 2 million cost.

899
01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:00,110
Do you see what I'm saying?

900
01:24:00,950 --> 01:24:03,530
Does that make sense or a dynamic use that's it?

901
01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:04,130
Okay.

902
01:24:04,670 --> 01:24:10,870
Because I'm, I'm just concerned that if we condition, put it on a condition, then we are delaying

903
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:15,410
And ultimately getting it to the point where it's going to end up costing us more.

904
01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:18,710
But we haven't agreed to that.

905
01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:28,250
So then it's putting it to service to the library because then they can't use the money the same way that they could, do you know what I mean?

906
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:35,130
I think the fiscal responsibility for the city is pretty high in this situation.

907
01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:38,830
And like we've been talking about, there's a lot of other projects.

908
01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:44,630
I want to be responsible for the money, but at the same time, I want to support the library, so hence the amendment.

909
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:57,530
I think one thing I would see, I appreciate your comments, Michelle, and it seems to me, I know that the library board has set a maximum budget of 4.5 million.

910
01:24:58,490 --> 01:25:06,190
It seems to me the way that this amended resolution is written, it would allow the library board to go up to 5 million.

911
01:25:06,190 --> 01:25:09,110
and if the board could raise $2.5 million,

912
01:25:09,390 --> 01:25:10,730
if I'm reading that correctly.

913
01:25:10,990 --> 01:25:16,570
So it could allow for some further expenditures potentially,

914
01:25:16,690 --> 01:25:19,450
but obviously dependent on fundraising.

915
01:25:20,710 --> 01:25:25,170
Right, I'm just wondering if the fundraising capacity,

916
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,680
because the way that I'm in drug,

917
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,880
maybe you can help correct me if I'm wrong,

918
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:37,780
but if we as the city say, well, we'll commit up to

919
01:25:37,780 --> 01:25:50,120
2.5 million or 50% when the library board is able to provide that, meet that need, I'm

920
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:58,200
worried that the other entities will look at that as, well, that's not very stable and not

921
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,120
provide as much.

922
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:00,280
We're making a commitment tonight.

923
01:26:00,460 --> 01:26:01,000
It's a commitment.

924
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:07,020
It's it's it's kind of a common it's a commitment but it feels kind of I

925
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:14,280
Don't know it doesn't feel solid. It feels like well if you guys can do your end

926
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:20,400
We'll do our end which I mean in normal situations. Yep. I would agree with that if my you know

927
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,540
It in our household you do a little bit. I'll do a little bit. We'll get it done together

928
01:26:24,540 --> 01:26:30,360
But in this situation we're looking at a timeline that the money is impacted

929
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:36,880
by time. And that would be my concern, is that if we say, well, if the library board

930
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:45,520
can earn or can get that much money by 2027, we'll give you 2.5 million. Well, we can't get

931
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:55,840
the 2.5 million unless the other entities won't provide unless they know that this is for sure.

932
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:01,400
So we're saying it's for sure, but we're not saying it's for sure for that amount of money.

933
01:27:01,780 --> 01:27:12,280
And that's where I'm wondering if that's going to have a domino effect for other fund raising efforts.

934
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,080
Michelle, can I ask a clarifying question?

935
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:23,760
So under the initial original resolution, it's asking for commitment of $2.5 million on a $4.5 million project.

936
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:31,040
So what happens if we get to 2027 and the library board and you know the fundraisers

937
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,640
have not raised $2 million, then what happens? Does that

938
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,080
mean the project doesn't go forward? Can I

939
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,680
bring Gerard up to the podium and I, or maybe Drake would weigh in,

940
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,120
I don't know where to get that answer, but- If the dollars

941
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,600
aren't there, the project can't happen.

942
01:27:49,600 --> 01:28:16,820
So if, under any commitment from the city, if you commit 2.5 million on a matching basis or 2.5 million regardless, if the library board does not, the library does not meet the fundraising necessary in order to ultimately pay for whatever amount remains, they either have to ask the city for more dollars.

943
01:28:16,820 --> 01:28:21,980
delay the project and fund raise for longer or the project doesn't happen.

944
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:28,830
Or we would maybe just be able to cut it back to the amount we have as well.

945
01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:33,870
So if we raise 4 million, maybe we'd be able to cut it back and make it affordable.

946
01:28:35,890 --> 01:28:42,510
Which would also mean that we'd have to talk to FEH again and pay them more money for another

947
01:28:43,150 --> 01:28:43,630
plan.

948
01:28:44,530 --> 01:28:44,790
Yeah.

949
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:46,770
We'd have to pay for any kind of redesign.

950
01:28:46,770 --> 01:28:52,410
Unless there's ways we could just cut things out of the existing design, but I don't know

951
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:57,190
Or we're still really pushing now towards the fundraising

952
01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:02,190
Jody sweeter sweet or consultant is very enthusiastic

953
01:29:03,170 --> 01:29:07,510
A lot of times and she's been doing this for years. It just takes a

954
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:11,750
First donor to step up and everybody falls in line and in this

955
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:16,750
Situation is actually the city committing and then the other donors know that they're

956
01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:20,430
Those I commit from the city and they step forward and commit as well.

957
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:34,260
Jarr, do you perceive that there would be any hesitation by anybody else to give us money if the amount of money the city would contribute is conditional?

958
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,560
I was teeing up the question, right?

959
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:46,280
Yes, there's at least one foundation they've said they want to see the committee, city committed.

960
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:55,280
They don't want to obligate that money, give it to us or have it sitting unused without knowing that the project is going to be successful and to be successful.

961
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,900
It has to have the city commitment and there's a number of other private donors.

962
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:23,560
Members that we've heard from, and I've heard through a second hand as well, that they want the city to commit the funding before they're going to give any gifts. I don't see the word and conditional in my I agree. This is a commitment. It's not maybe the solid amendment. It's a commitment. It is a commitment. Yes. The part that makes me think conditional is up at least or up to.

963
01:30:30,850 --> 01:30:35,210
Is there any other discussion, comments, questions on?

964
01:30:35,210 --> 01:30:40,630
Resolution 25-46A, which is the amendment introduced by Greg Waters.

965
01:30:44,050 --> 01:30:54,710
Okay, seeing none, Mr. Wood, you call the roll on the amendment to City Resolution 25-46, which we're calling 25-46A.

966
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:57,370
Ms. Curler,

967
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:02,600
Ms. Schmager.

968
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:03,580
Hi.

969
01:31:05,180 --> 01:31:05,880
Ms. Quidno?

970
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:06,840
No.

971
01:31:08,500 --> 01:31:09,360
Mr. Kudz?

972
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:15,940
no. Mr. Waters. Aye. Motion passes 3 to 2.

973
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:28,310
Okay, so we have motion 25-46 as amended, and then we still need to vote on that.

974
01:31:29,050 --> 01:31:32,590
Vote on the amended motion unless someone wants to make another amendment.

975
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,900
Is there any further discussion or amendments?

976
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:37,560
So

977
01:31:44,690 --> 01:31:49,010
we have City Council Resolution 25-46 as amended.

978
01:31:49,690 --> 01:31:50,650
Can you give me a minute?

979
01:31:51,130 --> 01:31:51,350
Sure.

980
01:31:51,690 --> 01:31:51,950
Thanks.

981
01:31:52,690 --> 01:31:57,630
And while we have that minute, let's just refer to it as 25-46A.

982
01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:58,130
Okay.

983
01:31:58,710 --> 01:32:00,530
No, it's 25-46A.

984
01:32:00,770 --> 01:32:00,870
Okay.

985
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:08,550
Just to clarify for the council what you'll be voting on in this regard, and I vote would

986
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:17,470
be voting to commit the city to a matching, a commitment of matching 50% of the library

987
01:32:17,470 --> 01:32:27,090
project up to $2.5 million. No vote would be that you're voting not to, it would effectively

988
01:32:27,090 --> 01:32:29,950
I would simply result in not committing any dollars to the project.

989
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:33,070
Correct.

990
01:32:33,790 --> 01:32:33,890
Okay.

991
01:32:34,750 --> 01:32:46,470
Can I amend said resolution to strike out up to on the one, two, three, four, five, six, whereas?

992
01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:55,450
So I would caution you against it because if you removed the limit, you're committing to an unknown amount of any,

993
01:32:55,450 --> 01:32:59,010
If they raised $7 million, you'd be committing to $7 million.

994
01:33:02,380 --> 01:33:09,020
Michelle, and you just started to say the sixth whereas that's the paragraph that talks about the referendum.

995
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,440
That was incorrect. That was the language in the referendum.

996
01:33:21,980 --> 01:33:24,000
Would you like to take a recess?

997
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,700
No, I'm sorry, just give me one minute.

998
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:29,760
Okay,

999
01:33:37,970 --> 01:33:46,710
if I'm reading this correctly and maybe I misinterpreted based on that that sixth whereas and if I did I greatly apologize.

1000
01:33:48,900 --> 01:34:01,650
We are as the city committing 2.5 million as long as the library board's fundraising meets 2.5 million.

1001
01:34:03,670 --> 01:34:08,650
And when or if they don't, what is our plan?

1002
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:16,850
Well, this was written in the same manner that the original motion was that budgeted for the year 2027.

1003
01:34:18,050 --> 01:34:19,790
So it did not change that year.

1004
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:23,250
If they didn't, they'd have to come back to you and ask again.

1005
01:34:23,890 --> 01:34:29,190
So if they come to you and say we've raised $1.5 million, we've raised $2 million.

1006
01:34:29,190 --> 01:34:36,550
dollars fundraising has slowed the last $500,000 we don't believe is feasible to collect

1007
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:41,270
they'd have to ask you to fill the gap or they'd have to value engineer down to the

1008
01:34:43,390 --> 01:34:49,570
I'm sorry if it if it came up short of the 4.5 million if it was short of whatever budget

1009
01:34:49,570 --> 01:34:54,210
amount they needed to bring the project to fruition they would need to either come to the city to

1010
01:34:54,210 --> 01:35:00,470
asked to fill the gap or value engineer down to the funds they have. So if they

1011
01:35:00,470 --> 01:35:06,270
raise 1.5 million in the city with then match 1.5 million they'd have to

1012
01:35:06,270 --> 01:35:12,390
value engineer down to 3 million or ask for more money. If they raise 2

1013
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:15,710
million dollars in the city then matches 2 million they need they have a

1014
01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:24,150
$500,000 gap. So they really they're to get to the 4.5 million based on the

1015
01:35:24,150 --> 01:35:31,570
This resolution has written, they need to raise $2.25 million to get to $4.5 million.

1016
01:35:31,710 --> 01:35:37,930
If they got to $2.5 million, they would be, the city would then kick in another $2.5 million, and

1017
01:35:37,930 --> 01:35:40,810
they could build a $5 million project.

1018
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:43,210
Correct.

1019
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,800
I get the intention, and I understand what you're saying.

1020
01:35:50,180 --> 01:36:00,660
Again, my concern is that entities that are giving a large amount of money are going

1021
01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:05,400
to hesitate because it's not firm.

1022
01:36:07,140 --> 01:36:11,280
So is there an amendment that you want to propose to try to address that?

1023
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:11,280
Yeah,

1024
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:20,600
this is a very common, like all of the big capital, a lot of big capital programs

1025
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:26,500
I've been on, this 50-50 matches actually very, it's a precedent actually in all industry,

1026
01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:33,140
it's very common, I should say, to have a match, and actually I'm not an expert in this

1027
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:39,400
space, but I think it actually generates some energy and interest to say, oh, you know,

1028
01:36:39,400 --> 01:37:09,200
I know we can up the alley because someone else is going to match me, it does, I feel it's a, I don't know, it's a common way to look at trying to gain momentum on fund raising, having a, I'm not, it is a, it's a, it's a commitment so when you, they put their dollar in the city's right there at the dollar, there's, there's no, you know, I'm saying,

1029
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:10,100
2.5 million.

1030
01:37:10,180 --> 01:37:11,020
Up to 2.5 million.

1031
01:37:11,740 --> 01:37:18,120
So I know you're thinking I didn't mean to interrupt your thoughts because you're trying

1032
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:22,980
to get something in here that we're settling for you, right?

1033
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:28,220
The match becomes part of the fundraising, the pitch becomes if you give $100, it's actually

1034
01:37:28,220 --> 01:37:28,900
worth $200.

1035
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:29,580
Yeah.

1036
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:32,060
And all the way up another line.

1037
01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:35,480
But we're not, okay,

1038
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,640
apologies for not really knowing because I know you two are very

1039
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:57,100
versed in business and that's not my cup of tea and unfortunately I don't have that

1040
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,040
trust to fall back on.

1041
01:38:02,420 --> 01:38:10,040
And so that's where my hesitancy lies, right, is this is not a, well this is kind of a business

1042
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,120
But this is not a business situation.

1043
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:21,500
There is a limit of a capacity that the fundraising is able to do.

1044
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,600
And that was my concern.

1045
01:38:24,940 --> 01:38:32,920
If fundraising only got a million dollars that that's all we're going to contribute

1046
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:39,220
unless the library board comes to you and says, hey, we know that you said up to.

1047
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:46,120
But we came up short, and so hey, would you mind giving us the extra?

1048
01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:55,260
I'm saying why don't we just say we're going to do that right off the bat and and save the trouble of

1049
01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:57,820
having another ask later on.

1050
01:38:58,500 --> 01:39:03,620
So this amendment did pass three to two. So that's what's before us now.

1051
01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:08,640
I'm looking at some folks in the audience who I think are

1052
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:14,440
There are fantastic fundraisers that are ready to go out there and change their message

1053
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:19,440
and say, okay, if you give this much, it's automatically doubled by the city.

1054
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:27,180
It's a little bit of a change of tactic, but it's two and a quarter million versus two

1055
01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:27,760
and a half million.

1056
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:35,360
I think it's a motivation for everyone in the community and we haven't had something like

1057
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:40,920
this for people in the community to really focus on in a long time as far as a charitable entity,

1058
01:39:41,180 --> 01:39:47,200
and I can't think of a better project than our beloved library. I mean, it's the anchor of

1059
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:53,720
our downtown. I can't think of anything that you could sell better to a donor than the

1060
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:59,940
LDFARGO library and doing an expansion of that for our community. So I'm optimistic that our

1061
01:39:59,940 --> 01:40:07,240
for community volunteers and expert fundraisers are going to be able to be up to the task.

1062
01:40:07,780 --> 01:40:07,920
Okay.

1063
01:40:10,940 --> 01:40:11,860
Good move on.

1064
01:40:12,380 --> 01:40:14,200
Is there any further discussion then?

1065
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:15,580
Okay.

1066
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:22,700
So I think we are ready for a roll call vote on the City Council Resolution 25-46A.

1067
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:25,980
Ms. Mayer.

1068
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:26,820
Aye.

1069
01:40:27,820 --> 01:40:28,720
Ms. Quedano.

1070
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:30,020
Aye.

1071
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,000
Mr. Kudz.

1072
01:40:32,420 --> 01:40:32,780
Aye.

1073
01:40:32,780 --> 01:40:32,820
Okay.

1074
01:40:33,700 --> 01:40:34,480
Mr. Waters.

1075
01:40:35,260 --> 01:40:35,780
Aye.

1076
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:37,280
Ms. Curler.

1077
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:38,200
Aye.

1078
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:40,280
Motion passes 5-0.

1079
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:49,840
Thank you, everyone, and thank you to all the volunteers and folks who are friends

1080
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:55,240
of the library who are, they're already leaving to get to work to work on this fundraising.

1081
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:56,800
So thank you, everyone, for that.

1082
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:09,660
Okay. Our next agenda item is ordinance 1277. This is the second reading tonight. So,

1083
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,100
Misty, would you do that second reading for us, please?

1084
01:41:13,220 --> 01:41:18,380
Ornans 1277 in Ornans annexing territory of the city of Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin.

1085
01:41:21,180 --> 01:41:27,480
Thank you. So, this is the second reading tonight and we would normally have third reading next time.

1086
01:41:27,480 --> 01:41:32,420
I think there was a suggestion last time to advance the

1087
01:41:32,420 --> 01:41:34,280
deferred reading, but there was some missing information

1088
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:34,960
from the state.

1089
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:36,280
Am I remembering that right?

1090
01:41:37,860 --> 01:41:43,100
Ms. Dia, we heard back from the state agencies have we passed

1091
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:44,420
to the comment period?

1092
01:41:45,460 --> 01:41:45,800
Yes.

1093
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,240
I actually just got a notification from them late yesterday

1094
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:54,240
afternoon that they did find it in the interest so we can

1095
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:55,840
proceed forward from there.

1096
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:02,400
I do want to make just know that the next step in this would be the rezone because with the annexation will come in as

1097
01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:08,640
RD roll development and it is on for public hearing at plan commission next

1098
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:15,000
I'm sorry this late of this month on the 26th and then I'll go to council for the rezoning

1099
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:23,860
But the city council could could waive a reading and approve the annexation tonight and that when the rezone would continue as scheduled

1100
01:42:23,860 --> 01:42:24,780
correct

1101
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:34,320
So it's the prerogative of the City Council, whether you'd want to waive readings, the requirements for the procedural requirements for annexation have been fulfilled.

1102
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:40,670
Okay. Is there anybody that wants to make such a motion?

1103
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,020
Hearing none, we will move this to third reading at our next meeting.

1104
01:42:48,660 --> 01:42:52,080
So our next agenda item is ordinance 1278.

1105
01:42:52,940 --> 01:42:55,220
This is also the second reading tonight.

1106
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,920
So, Mr. Wood, you do the second reading for us on that one.

1107
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:00,240
Ornids 1278.

1108
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,720
Amending City of Lake Mills ordinance section 615-14.

1109
01:43:03,940 --> 01:43:05,020
Parking time limitations.

1110
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,200
Section 615-15.

1111
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:08,540
No parking zones.

1112
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,840
And section 615-16.

1113
01:43:11,060 --> 01:43:12,120
School parking zones.

1114
01:43:12,300 --> 01:43:13,240
City of Lake Mills, Wisconsin.

1115
01:43:16,540 --> 01:43:17,160
Thank you.

1116
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:20,220
Any questions or comments on this one for this evening?

1117
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:24,020
we'll otherwise it'll be scheduled for third reading at our next meeting.

1118
01:43:27,980 --> 01:43:33,080
Okay, seeing none, we have our next agenda item is ordinance 1279.

1119
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:38,120
This is the first reading tonight, so this too would you do the first reading for us.

1120
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,980
Ordinance 1279, amending comprehensive plan, future land use map,

1121
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:49,840
parcel number 246-0714-0734025, City of Lake Mills, Wisconsin.

1122
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:58,660
Thank you, and I see we have our city planner here tonight, so welcome Dustin.

1123
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:03,580
Do you want to give us an overview of this ordinance for a poll song?

1124
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,540
Certainly as I get situated.

1125
01:44:07,300 --> 01:44:08,280
Give me a minute.

1126
01:44:08,980 --> 01:44:09,420
Thank you.

1127
01:44:17,010 --> 01:44:23,850
So this proposed comprehensive plan amendment comes with a recommendation from the plan commission at their last meeting.

1128
01:44:23,850 --> 01:44:31,810
These are the 15-odd acres that are off of Tyranena, just the south of the Mangon Rock Lake

1129
01:44:31,810 --> 01:44:38,550
Luxury Apartments development. It's on the far eastern corporate limits of the community.

1130
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:45,910
Has has been mentioned in the past, this developer has come forward with a number of different

1131
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:52,130
iterations for this southern area of land that he owned that has, that has currently zoned our one

1132
01:44:52,130 --> 01:44:59,050
single family, and in the city's comprehensive plan has been shown for R1.

1133
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,720
Financial development. Through a series of concept plans that were brought to the Plan Commission, the Plan Commission in dialogue with the developer has been open to potentially other development types than just single family development, notably trying to attract or open to the opportunities for other residential development, meaning single family, two family,

1134
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:36,100
three to six unit or eight unit buildings and then transitioning up to the existing Rock Lake

1135
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:39,560
apartments which are generally around 14 unit buildings.

1136
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:46,480
So again, through over the course of a couple of years in a number of iterations of concept

1137
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:53,360
plans, the plan commission has said if you can come forward with a plan that is providing

1138
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:59,900
and good transition from the existing apartments to the single family to the south, the single

1139
01:45:59,900 --> 01:46:05,480
family to the south that's located along Tyrone Park Road is all in the town so that this

1140
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:12,840
property is actually the kind of southern municipal property in that area. It said that

1141
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:20,080
it would be receptive to receiving a development plan for a mixed residential type. To enable

1142
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:49,420
What will that to happen? The first step would be to amend the comprehensive plan of the land use plan, future land use map, for this specific property from, from single family to what is our plan to neighborhood, our plan neighborhood category is specifically intended to permit and encourage the diversification of dwelling types in a comprehensive development plan, a unified around

1143
01:46:49,420 --> 01:46:59,060
design elements, so the Plan Commission has said we have been supportive of that development

1144
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:07,420
plan coming forward and said we are recommending to the Council to approve the Plan Neighborhood

1145
01:47:07,420 --> 01:47:14,880
Mixed Use. I would like to make it clear that should the Council choose to amend the future

1146
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:20,900
land use map to plan residential. It does not change the zoning at this time. It enables

1147
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:28,960
the opportunity for a rezoning to occur likely to include a plan development district, which

1148
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:34,560
is a general development plan and precise implementation plan. In essence, this says not just the

1149
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:41,020
plan commission, but also the council is receptive to development of this site in with other dwelling

1150
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:46,920
unit types other than solely single family. It still could be solely single family. The

1151
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:56,460
plan neighborhood does allow single family by definition in the comprehensive plan language.

1152
01:47:56,940 --> 01:48:03,240
It does not obligate the plan commission nor the council to change the zoning from R-14,

1153
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:10,080
but it does open the opportunity. Should the council not approve of the land of the future land use

1154
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:15,960
map amendment to plan neighborhood, a development plan that has anything other than single-family

1155
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:20,480
development would not be permissible. So I just want to make sure that those items are

1156
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:25,980
clear. I can certainly provide more information or answer any questions that you may have about

1157
01:48:25,980 --> 01:48:31,520
that. But in a nutshell, that's the recommendation coming from the Plan Commission to the Council.

1158
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:38,460
So I guess just to add on to that, the future land use map amendment is, if you watch the

1159
01:48:38,460 --> 01:48:45,640
plan commission is distinct from the developers request for a zoning change there so you don't

1160
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:52,420
need to consider that changing the future land use map to plan the neighborhood requires

1161
01:48:52,420 --> 01:48:58,660
you to support a project plan that may come forward to you what the council would be saying

1162
01:48:58,660 --> 01:49:06,960
in this regard is that it is open to developments that include something other than only single

1163
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:12,900
family housing. That doesn't mean that the Council could not remain committed to a portion of it

1164
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:14,340
being single-family.

1165
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:22,700
A conversation over what that plan and neighborhood should look like.

1166
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:28,880
One other thing I'd like to note because it came up at the Plan Commission as well as tonight is

1167
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:35,840
the City Council cannot either in its future land use map or through a zoning change.

1168
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:40,880
demand require that this parcel become

1169
01:49:41,620 --> 01:49:47,880
conservancy park land or anything of that nature that would be a taking from

1170
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:52,580
the private property owner and would require the city to compensate the property

1171
01:49:52,580 --> 01:49:58,460
owner for the fair market value of that land and so unless the council is willing to

1172
01:49:58,460 --> 01:50:05,000
buy the land you cannot mandate that it remain undeveloped. You can mandate

1173
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:11,560
how it develops in this regard, right? Currently it's own single-family residential, the council

1174
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:17,620
may choose not to amend its future land use map and then would therefore not be able to change

1175
01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:26,620
it zoning. A zoning change can only occur if it is consistent with the future land use map. That's

1176
01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:32,980
a statutory requirement and so that is why the future land use map must come first and then a

1177
01:50:32,980 --> 01:50:39,120
requested zoning change would have to come after that, but consideration of the change on

1178
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:46,000
the future land use map does not mandate you to approve a project plan that does not

1179
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:53,140
match what the City Council would like to see because the zoning remains R1-4 single

1180
01:50:53,140 --> 01:51:00,180
family until the Council changes that a planned neighborhood would almost by definition have

1181
01:51:00,180 --> 01:51:05,760
a plan development district overlay on it, which would incorporate negotiation between

1182
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:13,720
the city and whatever developer is proposing something in order to gain the approvals they

1183
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:18,740
need to move forward with a project. So if you choose to discuss it tonight, if you choose

1184
01:51:18,740 --> 01:51:26,240
to wait till future readings, the conversation should be around the council's vision for

1185
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:39,540
this property and not be not dedicated to any project plan that may still be under consideration

1186
01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:46,500
by the plan commission. The zoning changes when it would be appropriate to have that conversation

1187
01:51:46,500 --> 01:51:52,780
and meet the open meetings act requirement for that conversation.

1188
01:51:52,780 --> 01:51:53,520
Thank

1189
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:00,200
you. Are there any questions or discussion from council members this evening?

1190
01:52:02,910 --> 01:52:03,390
Very good.

1191
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:04,350
Go ahead.

1192
01:52:04,670 --> 01:52:08,010
Oh, I was, did you catch me or was it back?

1193
01:52:08,370 --> 01:52:08,490
Okay.

1194
01:52:09,190 --> 01:52:15,450
I just want to make a point that I recognized in the comprehensive plan regarding planned

1195
01:52:15,450 --> 01:52:16,330
neighborhood.

1196
01:52:16,970 --> 01:52:19,130
And that we have a policy that does stay.

1197
01:52:19,410 --> 01:52:26,890
We should have a mix of 55 to 65, single family, 10 to 22 family, or 5 to 15 single families

1198
01:52:26,890 --> 01:52:30,970
attached 20 to 30 multi-family as a part of a policy in the comprehensive plan.

1199
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:38,510
So I am wondering why planned neighborhood would fit the particular developer's interest

1200
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:45,230
who is, I think, has been advocating for 100% multi-family, so zero owner occupied.

1201
01:52:45,850 --> 01:52:50,510
And I feel one of our goals has been, are we have it as a priority noted in the comprehensive

1202
01:52:50,510 --> 01:52:53,270
plan that owner occupied is a critical priority.

1203
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:59,250
And so I am finding the interest to move to Plan Neighborhood to allow flexibility that

1204
01:52:59,250 --> 01:53:05,970
I'm wondering why this particular land use map change because now I've only been on

1205
01:53:05,970 --> 01:53:09,250
the council for one year and we've had two land use map changes.

1206
01:53:09,450 --> 01:53:13,170
Both of them have been single family and they're moving either multi or some plan development

1207
01:53:13,170 --> 01:53:19,730
and I'm concerned that our level of scrutiny that we have made on the land use map has been

1208
01:53:19,730 --> 01:53:26,510
in the subpar, and because we keep getting our planning commission caught in an opportunity

1209
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:29,990
where it doesn't fit to the way that the land use map was originally designed.

1210
01:53:30,270 --> 01:53:35,070
And so I've thrown a lot at kind of edge on that, but I'm just, I just call my attention

1211
01:53:35,070 --> 01:53:42,870
why would this particular map change really support the, what I think that developers desire

1212
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:45,890
would be, which would be all multi-family, zero or no occupied?

1213
01:53:45,890 --> 01:53:50,290
So, I would make it clear the plan is not specified on a occupied.

1214
01:53:52,030 --> 01:53:56,430
The assumption people make when they think of single families on a occupied, zoning

1215
01:53:56,430 --> 01:53:58,790
and land use do not get into on a occupancy.

1216
01:53:59,110 --> 01:54:03,830
That could be a policy decision by an entity, but it does not state that.

1217
01:54:04,530 --> 01:54:10,490
So, single family, traditionally people think of single families, single family detached housing,

1218
01:54:10,750 --> 01:54:13,070
meaning a standalone single family home.

1219
01:54:13,070 --> 01:54:17,710
that is typically owner occupied, okay?

1220
01:54:19,130 --> 01:54:23,250
Duplexes are single family attached housing

1221
01:54:23,610 --> 01:54:25,250
that are typically rented.

1222
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:32,670
Townhouses, zero lot line are single family attached

1223
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:35,190
that are typically owner occupied.

1224
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:41,530
So again, we call out single family within that.

1225
01:54:41,530 --> 01:54:48,690
doplexes are a single family attached product okay I know we're kind of

1226
01:54:48,690 --> 01:54:53,270
getting into semantics here but it is important to understand yeah it's like

1227
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:56,370
when someone says condominiums versus apartments that's an ownership

1228
01:54:56,370 --> 01:55:01,510
structure right that's not a land use issue they are handled exactly the same way

1229
01:55:01,510 --> 01:55:05,130
when you think of a building that has condos in it versus a building that has

1230
01:55:05,130 --> 01:55:09,910
apartments in it right so that's ownership structure the plan

1231
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:13,930
And neighborhood is intended to promote economical use of land.

1232
01:55:14,690 --> 01:55:19,350
It is intended in what we've authored into the plan, the conference of plan,

1233
01:55:19,570 --> 01:55:25,150
is a mechanism to help us achieve the desire for more missing middle housing types.

1234
01:55:26,910 --> 01:55:32,910
One of the issues that communities have in Lake Mills is no different.

1235
01:55:33,450 --> 01:55:37,070
You either have large scale apartments, right?

1236
01:55:37,850 --> 01:55:42,890
12, 14, 16 unit buildings, or you have single family

1237
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:47,270
detached housing, that missing middle is duplexes.

1238
01:55:47,710 --> 01:55:48,910
We have some duplexes.

1239
01:55:48,970 --> 01:55:50,230
I'm not saying we don't have any.

1240
01:55:51,270 --> 01:55:52,830
We have apartments.

1241
01:55:53,230 --> 01:55:56,790
We don't have a lot of four units, six unit or eight unit

1242
01:55:56,790 --> 01:56:01,090
apartment or residential structures, which

1243
01:56:01,090 --> 01:56:03,290
can be owner occupied or can be rented.

1244
01:56:03,290 --> 01:56:06,590
So, townhouses are brownstone side by side.

1245
01:56:06,890 --> 01:56:08,110
We don't have a lot of that.

1246
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:12,310
We acknowledge that in the comprehensive plan and it's something that we're trying to

1247
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:13,070
achieve out here.

1248
01:56:14,050 --> 01:56:19,430
We're trying to avoid a pendulum swing of either only single family detached or only large

1249
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:22,630
format suburban multi-family product.

1250
01:56:23,230 --> 01:56:29,830
The plan commissioned through a variety of iterations on this site has said we would like to transition

1251
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:34,870
from the larger scale multi-family to the existing single family.

1252
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:43,090
And it went through four if not five different kind of concept plan evaluations and meetings

1253
01:56:43,090 --> 01:56:49,730
and providing direction to the developer, saying this does not meet with our expectation

1254
01:56:49,730 --> 01:56:53,690
if it's going to change from being solely single family.

1255
01:56:53,690 --> 01:57:12,530
I say, if it's going to change, meaning that the developer was given direction to come back with something that could be palatable to the Plan Commission and then ultimately to the City Council for transitioning from the multi-family, the solely multi-family to the single family.

1256
01:57:13,110 --> 01:57:21,290
So the Plan Neighborhood, right, it does outline some expected, this is not a large piece of, it sounds like a large piece of land of 15 acres.

1257
01:57:21,290 --> 01:57:26,290
But most plan neighborhoods where we're expecting to use this, the north end of the south

1258
01:57:26,290 --> 01:57:32,430
end, and we have planted it over a hundred acres, provide flexibility of development

1259
01:57:32,430 --> 01:57:41,090
types, depending upon proximity to green spaces, depending upon proximity to transportation

1260
01:57:41,090 --> 01:57:48,190
routes, that we transition different housing and the ability to buy up or down within a

1261
01:57:48,190 --> 01:57:51,990
neighborhood without having to leave criss-cross the community, without having to leave the neighborhood.

1262
01:57:52,490 --> 01:57:57,290
That if you need a, if you want an owner-occupied product, there would be one in your quote-unquote

1263
01:57:57,290 --> 01:57:57,770
neighborhood.

1264
01:57:57,950 --> 01:58:01,970
And if you wanted a rental product, it would be within your neighborhood, right?

1265
01:58:02,170 --> 01:58:06,890
If you want a larger house versus a small house, if you want a duplex or a townhouse versus

1266
01:58:07,450 --> 01:58:13,170
a traditional apartment, right, the ability to not, to stay within your neighborhood was an

1267
01:58:13,170 --> 01:58:13,830
important element.

1268
01:58:14,030 --> 01:58:16,790
There are other pieces that we like to see in larger areas.

1269
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:21,210
maybe some small-scale neighborhood commercial in a plan neighborhood area, right?

1270
01:58:21,470 --> 01:58:26,390
So you don't have to run to the other side of town to get some basic needs done, right?

1271
01:58:27,030 --> 01:58:30,430
Those are elements and we look at them on a larger scale in the Plan Commission,

1272
01:58:30,630 --> 01:58:34,710
talked about this at length during the comprehensive planning process, was

1273
01:58:35,370 --> 01:58:40,390
what happens when a development comes in in an area, and they're looking at the

1274
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:44,490
first 20 acres of an area that we're planning 80 acres of plan neighborhood, right?

1275
01:58:44,490 --> 01:58:50,690
And those are challenging design considerations that the Plant Commission will grapple with

1276
01:58:51,210 --> 01:58:52,650
developers when they come into areas.

1277
01:58:53,110 --> 01:58:59,470
Look, you brought us all single family in area and we're looking at transitioning to the

1278
01:59:00,190 --> 01:59:08,670
parklands or next to Highway 89 or a county road where maybe single family isn't the most

1279
01:59:08,670 --> 01:59:10,130
appropriate on a county road.

1280
01:59:10,130 --> 01:59:18,430
Right. Those are things that will be evaluated big picture. This is an element where we have

1281
01:59:18,430 --> 01:59:24,110
existing single family on the south end, we have existing multi-family in the north end.

1282
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:28,010
Those two areas are bound on the south end by a county trunk highway and on the north end by

1283
01:59:28,010 --> 01:59:34,790
the interstate. To the east is lands also in the town, right, and that is used as a gun range

1284
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:36,710
and some other things for the county, right?

1285
01:59:37,270 --> 01:59:38,850
It's a challenging piece of land.

1286
01:59:40,870 --> 01:59:43,750
The desire certainly was single family for a long time,

1287
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:45,870
but the Plan Commission provided directions saying,

1288
01:59:46,210 --> 01:59:48,290
if you are going to change from single family,

1289
01:59:48,630 --> 01:59:50,310
we want to see a variety of housing types.

1290
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:52,350
We want to see it organized around a central feature.

1291
01:59:52,830 --> 01:59:54,570
We want you to create a neighborhood out of that.

1292
01:59:55,030 --> 01:59:57,250
And that's what they've been trying to bring back

1293
01:59:57,250 --> 01:59:57,770
to the plan.

1294
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,280
Secondly, they can't do that under single family, and you can't do it under just multi-family. So our plan neighborhood is our future-landest category that enables that flexibility of design considerations and of housing types to make this happen. And again, I reiterate what the city manager said. It's not obligating you one way or the other. But if it doesn't change, it will only be single family.

1295
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:31,640
because that's what the future land use is for that area.

1296
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:35,200
That was long winded too, and I hope I answered your questions.

1297
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:36,640
You did. I appreciate it.

1298
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:43,580
I think just to clarify, so I think in my time, we've had two future land use map amendments.

1299
02:00:43,780 --> 02:00:48,280
One was very small scale on Pine Street to go from multi-family to single family,

1300
02:00:48,460 --> 02:00:52,820
and then the one that's being requested tonight is to go from single family to plan the neighborhood.

1301
02:00:53,340 --> 02:00:58,020
The property at BNV already had a future land use map of multi-family,

1302
02:00:58,020 --> 02:01:04,560
But its own single-family R14, so it was a zoning change request, but not a future land-use map request

1303
02:01:05,820 --> 02:01:08,080
That ultimately hasn't moved forward

1304
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:11,960
So we do have this is kind of

1305
02:01:12,940 --> 02:01:18,860
This is a little bit different in that it's right now. It's future land use map and its zoning match

1306
02:01:19,420 --> 02:01:22,640
So if you want to do if if the council

1307
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:27,820
So once the wants to be able to approve anything else, the future land use map needs to

1308
02:01:27,820 --> 02:01:35,220
change because the City Council cannot make a zoning change that conflicts with its future

1309
02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:36,060
land use map.

1310
02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:43,880
And so that's why the Plan Commission, they did recommend approval, but if they had voted

1311
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:48,400
no on this, it wouldn't even be before you because both the Plan Commission and the City Council

1312
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:53,860
must approve future land use map amendments, whereas zoning changes, it's only a recommendation

1313
02:01:53,860 --> 02:01:58,640
from Plan Commission, and final action is only the prerogative of the city council.

1314
02:01:59,940 --> 02:02:06,680
And so the plan neighborhood, obviously, we're talking about the 15 acres, it's imperfect

1315
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:13,220
in that when you're only if you're looking at it in conjunction with the current zoning

1316
02:02:13,220 --> 02:02:17,960
change proposal, right? Which you're not obligated to approve. But if the City Council

1317
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:23,060
wants the opportunity for a variety of housing on this 15-acre parcel, plan

1318
02:02:23,060 --> 02:02:28,060
neighborhoods your only option to get there. If the City Council only wants

1319
02:02:28,060 --> 02:02:32,600
single-family on this parcel, then you wouldn't change your future land use map.

1320
02:02:33,780 --> 02:02:40,240
But you could change the, I think I understood, you could change the future land use map and support a full

1321
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:48,680
single-family development and so changing it does give flexibility that you could do 50-50

1322
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:52,980
or you could do all or gives you give you I'm hearing you say it gives options so it doesn't

1323
02:02:52,980 --> 02:03:00,280
exclude from single-family but it still allows it but it it doesn't mandate it yeah it doesn't

1324
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:05,680
mandate it okay thank you so you have the plan neighborhood is the problem is your most flexible

1325
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:08,680
residential, future land use map designation.

1326
02:03:12,810 --> 02:03:15,810
I have a, well, you'll have to do a zoning change.

1327
02:03:15,970 --> 02:03:19,710
Someone could still, if you change the future land use map amendment, someone still could

1328
02:03:19,710 --> 02:03:24,670
come in and build a single family home development because they can comply with existing zoning.

1329
02:03:25,230 --> 02:03:30,010
In order to do anything different than single family, a zoning change still has to come back

1330
02:03:30,010 --> 02:03:37,530
to you in which the city council has holds all of the negotiating power in that regard

1331
02:03:37,530 --> 02:03:41,990
because without the zoning change, nothing can be done except for a single family.

1332
02:03:42,590 --> 02:03:47,230
I will direct you some specific language that comes out of the comprehensive plan related to this.

1333
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:53,450
It is intended to promote a more economical and efficient use of land

1334
02:03:53,450 --> 02:03:57,870
while providing a harmonious variety of housing choices,

1335
02:03:58,390 --> 02:04:02,530
higher level amenities, adequate buffering between adjacent land uses,

1336
02:04:03,070 --> 02:04:06,270
and preservation of natural features in open spaces.

1337
02:04:06,270 --> 02:04:06,990
Right?

1338
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:19,430
It's intended to enable creativity, thoughtful design, addressing buffering issues, making sure

1339
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:23,170
that it is good transitioning from adjacent land uses.

1340
02:04:23,690 --> 02:04:27,290
But as sitting manager in the city of term, it doesn't change the zoning.

1341
02:04:27,410 --> 02:04:29,270
The zoning is still R-14.

1342
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:36,030
or it opens the door to evaluating future development types

1343
02:04:36,030 --> 02:04:38,910
on that property that still need to pass a critical

1344
02:04:38,910 --> 02:04:41,810
muster of the Plan Commission in the City Council.

1345
02:04:42,150 --> 02:04:45,030
So years ago when Rock Lake apartments was first developed,

1346
02:04:45,590 --> 02:04:48,550
the future I and Meos map was kind of designed

1347
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:52,850
as there was an agreement to allow the multi-family development

1348
02:04:52,850 --> 02:04:55,870
that went up, but that this parcel would remain single family.

1349
02:04:55,950 --> 02:04:57,870
That was the goal of the City Council.

1350
02:04:57,870 --> 02:05:02,890
And so now the discussion that's before you is whether that vision has changed.

1351
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:08,970
If it has, then Planned Neighborhood provides you that flexibility to mix housing types.

1352
02:05:09,150 --> 02:05:13,250
If it hasn't changed, then you wouldn't approve the future land use map amendment.

1353
02:05:15,550 --> 02:05:19,530
I think it's a little bit of a follow-up to some of Mary's questions.

1354
02:05:19,530 --> 02:05:32,010
but in the planned neighborhood land use designation can a single family attached or detached

1355
02:05:32,610 --> 02:05:37,830
building can those be laid out differently like they don't have to have the same minimum

1356
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:43,570
lot sizes and things like that in the planned neighborhood is that a benefit of that planned

1357
02:05:43,570 --> 02:05:44,750
neighborhood kind of arrangement.

1358
02:05:44,750 --> 02:05:50,430
It is anticipated that it could provide a variety of lot sizes under conventional zoning,

1359
02:05:51,210 --> 02:05:52,470
R14, right?

1360
02:05:52,610 --> 02:05:55,330
R14 has a minimum size, and it's pretty, and it's free-large.

1361
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:58,170
But we do have an R18, right?

1362
02:05:58,270 --> 02:06:02,010
That is a single-family district, that's a smaller lot size, single-family district.

1363
02:06:02,610 --> 02:06:10,630
That could be utilized as a part of the planned neighborhood future land use category, right?

1364
02:06:10,630 --> 02:06:17,090
It just happens that this area is R1-4 because there are larger parcels, existing single family parcels out there, right?

1365
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:26,330
So it could be done under conventional zoning. When we try to, you try to incorporate a variety of housing types, right?

1366
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:34,230
Single family attached, single family detached, single family attached, smaller scale, multifamily, when I'm seeing smaller scale.

1367
02:06:34,230 --> 02:06:38,390
Now, tri-flex is four plexes, six units and eight units, right?

1368
02:06:39,570 --> 02:06:43,150
Conventional zoning starts to kind of fall apart, right?

1369
02:06:43,530 --> 02:06:45,050
Euclidean zoning is what we have.

1370
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:47,370
You really need form-based codes.

1371
02:06:48,190 --> 02:06:50,410
Form-based code, we're really getting the weeds on some stuff.

1372
02:06:50,530 --> 02:06:54,870
But we've used plan development districts extensively in the city of Lake Mills,

1373
02:06:55,330 --> 02:07:01,270
provide flexibility development type to get a better product and layout of developments.

1374
02:07:01,270 --> 02:07:20,350
It is anticipated that it's likely going to be a plan development district to make this happen, but you could do it under conventional zoning and have specific lots that are certain single family lot sizes, certain two family lot sizes, and then a certain amount of multi-family areas.

1375
02:07:22,210 --> 02:07:26,850
Staff concerns with that is, once you have a base district that allows

1376
02:07:26,850 --> 02:07:33,410
Maldives family, our Maldives family doesn't specify, it's based on densities,

1377
02:07:33,450 --> 02:07:38,050
it doesn't specify you must build a Ford unit or a 6 unit or an 8 unit building, right?

1378
02:07:38,550 --> 02:07:41,850
The plan to malignant district gives the city the control to dictate that.

1379
02:07:42,170 --> 02:07:47,730
So the expectation is it would go that way, if a rezoning request was brought forward.

1380
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:54,840
Thank you for that and then I guess I know it was a question or a comment but I appreciate

1381
02:07:54,840 --> 02:08:02,460
a drake your remarks regarding whether this could be designated conservancy or something

1382
02:08:02,460 --> 02:08:06,340
like that because we certainly heard public commenter and speaking about some wildlife

1383
02:08:06,340 --> 02:08:11,680
use of the property, I drove through there the other day and actually came upon the gravel

1384
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:41,620
have a road sort of by accident, the eastern access, but it is flattered as a roadway and I think based on our comprehensive plan future land use map, it's anticipated to be residential, so I just would hope that nearby property owners don't have any realistic expectation that it's going to be turned into a conservancy, I think the city would have a goal of some sort of residential development there, so it's just a question of what

1385
02:08:41,620 --> 02:08:44,080
do we, you know, what do we want that to look like?

1386
02:08:46,630 --> 02:08:47,010
Great.

1387
02:08:49,890 --> 02:08:52,410
I voted against it at the Planning Commission.

1388
02:08:52,710 --> 02:08:54,490
And part of that was because I had the privilege

1389
02:08:54,490 --> 02:08:55,770
of seeing the development.

1390
02:08:55,770 --> 02:08:57,610
It was part of our notes in the Planning Commission.

1391
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:58,850
It's not tonight.

1392
02:09:01,590 --> 02:09:04,910
But I guess what I want to really focus on is smart growth.

1393
02:09:07,190 --> 02:09:09,330
And when I look at the city of Lake Mills

1394
02:09:09,850 --> 02:09:12,110
and I talk to the residents of the community

1395
02:09:12,110 --> 02:09:18,890
that were the developer lives in, I've talked to two people, they both said we don't

1396
02:09:18,890 --> 02:09:22,510
want to live here, we want to live in a single-family home, there's a lack of

1397
02:09:22,510 --> 02:09:26,530
single-family homes in Lake Mills, we want that to be developed as single-family.

1398
02:09:27,690 --> 02:09:31,650
And as people that live in the development, they're not looking for more like that,

1399
02:09:31,810 --> 02:09:39,410
they're looking for single-family homes. So for smart growth, I really, I voted

1400
02:09:39,410 --> 02:09:45,470
it against it because I felt like, oh, this is really just another way of saying multi-family

1401
02:09:45,470 --> 02:09:52,230
housing, but I actually went and looked at the comprehensive plan and Mary outlined it

1402
02:09:52,230 --> 02:10:00,830
already tonight in section 635 that it defines that a plan neighborhood is to ensure a minimum

1403
02:10:00,830 --> 02:10:05,010
I'm a 55 to 65% single family residents.

1404
02:10:06,270 --> 02:10:10,530
So the development that the planner's bringing to

1405
02:10:10,530 --> 02:10:12,010
is doesn't meet that standard.

1406
02:10:12,290 --> 02:10:14,850
So I'm not sure if this is really going to accomplish

1407
02:10:14,850 --> 02:10:16,910
what the developers trying to get accomplished

1408
02:10:17,690 --> 02:10:19,470
because he doesn't really meet that standard.

1409
02:10:20,210 --> 02:10:24,230
Yeah, you're not bound, it's a listed as a goal, right?

1410
02:10:24,490 --> 02:10:26,650
You're not, the designation doesn't bind you

1411
02:10:26,650 --> 02:10:29,370
to that percentage.

1412
02:10:29,890 --> 02:10:31,890
You can hold to it, you certainly can.

1413
02:10:32,570 --> 02:10:42,550
But the future land use map designation allows for a variety of housing types.

1414
02:10:42,850 --> 02:10:46,050
But there is no planned neighborhood zoning district.

1415
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:53,070
And so the planned neighborhood is the closest designation in the future land use map to

1416
02:10:53,070 --> 02:11:00,410
allow for a variety of housing types within, if you keep it single family housing it can

1417
02:11:00,410 --> 02:11:05,610
only be single family housing. If you make it multi-family then it goes to the maximum

1418
02:11:05,610 --> 02:11:12,010
of R312. Planned neighborhood is meant to be able to design it as the community dictates

1419
02:11:12,010 --> 02:11:18,970
it needs to fulfill, the housing needs that the city council believes that it needs to be

1420
02:11:18,970 --> 02:11:36,750
filled. And so it provides you maximum flexibility to design a neighborhood as needed to meet the needs of the community, but it does not bind you to the goals that are listed within it as far as what that mix is going to look like.

1421
02:11:36,750 --> 02:11:45,610
So I guess I'm clear on what single residential means. I'm clear on what multi-housing means. I'm not clear on what plan neighborhood means.

1422
02:11:45,890 --> 02:11:51,350
No plan. This definition I understand it but what you just said basically is wishy washy.

1423
02:11:52,410 --> 02:11:59,850
And that definitely it doesn't bind you to the city council will negotiate what that looks like.

1424
02:11:59,850 --> 02:12:06,950
And so you accomplish that through the zoning change, through approval of the zoning change.

1425
02:12:07,230 --> 02:12:08,730
You see that it's playing neighborhood.

1426
02:12:09,430 --> 02:12:13,190
You can choose what you want that to look like through that.

1427
02:12:13,270 --> 02:12:15,130
You can mandate it through that process.

1428
02:12:16,010 --> 02:12:22,770
So it's providing the leverage to the city council to dictate what that neighborhood will

1429
02:12:22,770 --> 02:12:26,890
look like to match what its vision is for that area.

1430
02:12:29,190 --> 02:12:29,830
Okay.

1431
02:12:31,950 --> 02:12:36,150
There's no other designation that would do that, that would do that for you.

1432
02:12:36,270 --> 02:12:43,310
If you kept it single family housing, you couldn't have an eight unit apartment building within the zoning one to allow that.

1433
02:12:43,470 --> 02:12:49,090
If you kept it multi-family, you can't have single family within that district.

1434
02:12:49,390 --> 02:12:56,170
And so you can choose to keep it start one or the other by choosing those designations in there.

1435
02:12:59,790 --> 02:13:06,270
But if you want the flexibility that Planned Neighborhood provides, that is what you would

1436
02:13:07,850 --> 02:13:13,590
designate it as because then you can design, you can plan a neighborhood.

1437
02:13:18,770 --> 02:13:29,290
I was looking at the current land use map and comparing that to the future land use map.

1438
02:13:30,330 --> 02:13:34,790
And I hear this whole, you know, we are not obligated information.

1439
02:13:35,430 --> 02:13:42,570
But I want to point out that the future land use map doesn't have a whole lot of single

1440
02:13:42,570 --> 02:13:44,330
family residential designation.

1441
02:13:45,210 --> 02:13:48,790
It also doesn't have a whole lot of purely multi-family designation.

1442
02:13:49,010 --> 02:13:53,010
The vast majority of residential designations in the future land use map is plant neighborhood.

1443
02:13:54,570 --> 02:13:54,930
Right.

1444
02:13:55,550 --> 02:13:58,730
And the majority of that is north of the interstate.

1445
02:13:59,050 --> 02:14:01,250
That's a large piece of land.

1446
02:14:02,290 --> 02:14:02,450
And south.

1447
02:14:03,010 --> 02:14:09,690
And yes, I'm sorry I didn't scroll significantly south of 89.

1448
02:14:10,470 --> 02:14:23,390
So, I guess, I'm wondering why we can't just keep it as single-family, just that there is such a limited amount.

1449
02:14:23,610 --> 02:14:25,870
You can, you can keep it as single-family.

1450
02:14:25,890 --> 02:14:35,690
Yes, we can, but what I'm hearing you say is that doing so then limits the any type of said development, and

1451
02:14:35,690 --> 02:14:42,530
And that particular piece of land could then become a developer's worst nightmare because

1452
02:14:42,530 --> 02:14:44,770
they can't get anything built on it.

1453
02:14:45,150 --> 02:14:47,630
Yeah, that's an acceptable outcome, though.

1454
02:14:47,970 --> 02:14:54,450
If the city wants, only wants single family in an area, you're not required to take into

1455
02:14:55,450 --> 02:14:57,850
consideration what the developer-

1456
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,740
However, is hoping to see happen there. It may mean that it never gets developed. As anything,

1457
02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:11,700
right, if single, if for some reason, single families not viable in a place that the council

1458
02:15:11,700 --> 02:15:20,040
has said this must be single, this must be single family, right? But if that's what the

1459
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:26,180
plan commission and the city council have determined is what's best for the community, then

1460
02:15:26,180 --> 02:15:29,600
And the developers have to either work within that,

1461
02:15:30,450 --> 02:15:33,180
or they just won't develop it.

1462
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:35,840
But if we're looking into the future,

1463
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:41,640
and thinking about potential annexation of that space.

1464
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:43,900
It is annexed.

1465
02:15:43,940 --> 02:15:44,460
Oh, are you some of them?

1466
02:15:44,460 --> 02:15:45,140
No, no, no, no, no.

1467
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:46,420
The, yeah.

1468
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:47,440
So they're in part.

1469
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:51,220
Further down and infrastructure.

1470
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,520
What I'm wondering is, is the infrastructure

1471
02:15:55,520 --> 02:16:15,700
could it be affected if we were to say make it a multifamily or a planned neighborhood with the infrastructure be affected or could it be a different kind of infrastructure for that kind of neighborhood versus single family?

1472
02:16:15,700 --> 02:16:32,100
For, you know, the properties on the southern, kind of the southern border of the area, you're considering a long tyrannina, there is water and sewer within the right of way on tyrannina there, which would be the connection points for the most of those.

1473
02:16:36,020 --> 02:16:41,520
There's water and sewer, so there's two portions of it.

1474
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:46,640
But above it, within Rock Creek, you've got water and sewer that could be extended down,

1475
02:16:47,220 --> 02:16:51,500
sewer that could be extended, water already exists front in the property.

1476
02:16:51,720 --> 02:16:56,880
So if a well-failed property would be compelled to annex into the city and connect to city

1477
02:16:56,880 --> 02:16:57,240
water.

1478
02:16:58,140 --> 02:17:02,260
But then we could potentially be in a situation where we're looking at Lyndon Street.

1479
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:08,400
If there's septic, if there's septic fails and we're not capable of serving, then annexation

1480
02:17:08,400 --> 02:17:13,460
is in compelled, and the county will permit another septic system.

1481
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:15,680
Can you see where my hesitation is on this?

1482
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:18,620
No.

1483
02:17:21,100 --> 02:17:21,620
Okay.

1484
02:17:23,180 --> 02:17:28,680
It's just because you're only dictating what you want the future land use of the parcel of the parcel to be.

1485
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:34,100
Extension of utilities is always is a benefit to the city and provides greater flexibility.

1486
02:17:35,140 --> 02:17:39,720
in order for where those connections could take place in the future if a future annexation

1487
02:17:39,720 --> 02:17:44,220
were to occur, but I think we'd be unlikely to try and connect any of those properties

1488
02:17:44,220 --> 02:17:50,000
along Tyranina through the back of the homes rather than something along Tyranina.

1489
02:17:53,660 --> 02:17:59,620
So in that regard, when those systems fail, the city will have to make a decision of either

1490
02:17:59,620 --> 02:18:05,000
You know doing a capital project to bring sewer throughout if it's sewer that is the ones that it's failing

1491
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:09,000
If it's a well, we're already we're already there to provide service

1492
02:18:10,260 --> 02:18:17,140
But I think in this regard, I think the council should focus on what do you want this 15 acre parcel to look like?

1493
02:18:17,140 --> 02:18:19,120
What how do you want it to develop out?

1494
02:18:21,320 --> 02:18:27,680
Because that's that's really what you're what you're kind of contemplating here is if if you want this to be single family

1495
02:18:27,680 --> 02:18:31,240
If that's still your vision, you don't approve the future land use map amendment.

1496
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:36,320
The zoning change application that's before the Plan Commission right now can't go forward.

1497
02:18:36,660 --> 02:18:38,260
That whole process stops.

1498
02:18:39,020 --> 02:18:46,520
If you envision that something on this and ignoring the proposal that's in front of the Plan Commission right now,

1499
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:51,620
if you envision this being something other than only single family, sorry,

1500
02:18:51,620 --> 02:19:00,420
Then you would change the future land use map to give yourself the flexibility to have something else happen there.

1501
02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:08,300
That does not mean that the zoning change application with the attached project plan that's to that is what's going to develop here.

1502
02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:12,040
You're under no obligation to approve that plan as submitted.

1503
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:17,300
You can tell the developer there has to be a single family component here.

1504
02:19:17,300 --> 02:19:25,960
there has to be, you know, a different makeup of what's going on in there.

1505
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:32,200
Now the duplexes are a single family component within it, but you could require more, you

1506
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:32,600
know what I'm saying?

1507
02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:38,220
You could get to that 60% amount or mandate that 60% amount and hold to that goal that's

1508
02:19:38,220 --> 02:19:39,560
within the comprehensive plan.

1509
02:19:40,640 --> 02:19:44,740
So really it's, how do you envision this partial developing out?

1510
02:19:45,700 --> 02:19:46,420
Do you foresee it?

1511
02:19:46,420 --> 02:19:53,080
Do you want it to only be single family or do you want it to potentially have other types

1512
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:54,600
of housing within it?

1513
02:19:55,380 --> 02:20:00,440
So I would like to just add a little bit of perspective from the two years that I served

1514
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:04,640
on the Plan Commission and Greg Kutts may want to weigh in because he was served on it quite

1515
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:05,160
a bit longer.

1516
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:13,620
But we had many discussions about the barriers to single family home development and even just

1517
02:20:13,620 --> 02:20:19,560
I think at the most recent plan commission meeting that came up again, you know, there are a lot of barriers to single-family home development.

1518
02:20:19,900 --> 02:20:29,520
So if that's like Drake said, if our council's vision is that we want this parcel to be developed as single-family,

1519
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:34,020
and that's the only thing that we're willing to do, then we don't have to approve this future landing amendment,

1520
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:35,040
and that's what it'll be.

1521
02:20:35,780 --> 02:20:41,720
I think it's important that we recognize that it may be a long time before that would develop,

1522
02:20:41,720 --> 02:20:45,760
or it may not develop a single family if we don't provide some incentives.

1523
02:20:46,180 --> 02:20:52,180
You tell me you want to be true anywhere else in the city that we have zone for single

1524
02:20:52,180 --> 02:20:55,540
family that's perhaps not developed yet, is there just a lot of barriers?

1525
02:20:55,820 --> 02:20:59,280
I mean, one, I can think of off the top of my head and I know Drake could probably write

1526
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:05,320
a treatise on this, but single family developer, home developers would say they can't make

1527
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:08,000
any kind of a profit on selling a lot.

1528
02:21:08,580 --> 02:21:18,480
They can only make a profit on building the house, and so it's not cost-effective for them to do the planning process and the subdividing and so forth.

1529
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:20,600
Infrastructure.

1530
02:21:20,860 --> 02:21:22,920
Yeah, infrastructure I guess would be another one.

1531
02:21:23,060 --> 02:21:30,800
They're paying upfront cost to put in infrastructure that then they recoup when they sell the home, and that's a financial.

1532
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:51,720
So our last, our most, our two most recent significant single family home developments in the city have had public involvement in their development, whether that's in front in the cost of the installation of infrastructure and getting paid back on the sale of the home through a special assessment or using TID to extend infrastructure

1533
02:21:52,340 --> 02:21:54,620
at to the Tyronina Point neighborhood,

1534
02:21:55,220 --> 02:21:57,780
Tid was used to bring infrastructure out there,

1535
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:00,780
utility infrastructure out there in order

1536
02:22:00,780 --> 02:22:04,900
to away some of those development costs.

1537
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:09,060
So the drumming cross-lane as well

1538
02:22:09,060 --> 02:22:10,920
is a condominium development

1539
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:12,500
that the city had to be involved in

1540
02:22:12,500 --> 02:22:20,600
that is 2s and 5s, 3s and 5s, 3s and 5s I think.

1541
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:22,380
There's gonna be some 2 pluses now.

1542
02:22:22,380 --> 02:22:25,820
And now, and now two two and now two duplexes on the end.

1543
02:22:26,700 --> 02:22:29,780
So this is just our first reading tonight.

1544
02:22:30,180 --> 02:22:35,480
So I don't know if there are other questions or information that council members want before we would.

1545
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:37,440
Would the applicant be able to be able to?

1546
02:22:37,560 --> 02:22:39,340
Is that the developer's representative is here?

1547
02:22:39,580 --> 02:22:42,100
Is there something that you'd like to share with the council?

1548
02:22:42,340 --> 02:22:43,660
Is there an opportunity to?

1549
02:22:49,020 --> 02:22:52,880
Well, this is of, yeah, I guess he's not the petitioner.

1550
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:56,920
They are, the application is brought forward, it's developed or driven, for a lifetime.

1551
02:22:56,920 --> 02:23:00,700
Okay, so this is a representative of the applicant for this feature land

1552
02:23:00,700 --> 02:23:01,320
vacation.

1553
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:02,320
Just introducing.

1554
02:23:02,480 --> 02:23:07,700
Yeah, thank you Chris Carr from the Sigma Group 1300 West Canal, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

1555
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:14,140
5-3-2-3-3, I'll be quick and try to review you are correct.

1556
02:23:14,340 --> 02:23:20,940
We've been across a couple years now working with the Plan Commission and specifically addressing

1557
02:23:20,940 --> 02:23:25,900
the transition, which we really have done if you look at the plan, I know it's not in front of you,

1558
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:29,780
but there's side by side units and providing a diversity.

1559
02:23:30,260 --> 02:23:34,260
I think if you look closely in the comprehensive plan and you don't just pick out pieces,

1560
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:39,800
there's multiple items that this project does really follow through on the comprehensive plan.

1561
02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:45,380
So comprehensive plan is long and we pulled it out as a part of the previous, is this?

1562
02:23:45,380 --> 02:23:53,800
This does sort of if you could stay within the bounds of the project that you proposed and what the future land use map is rather than comment again the comprehensive plan at this point.

1563
02:23:53,900 --> 02:23:59,800
Oh, I'm just making the consistency of our part of the changing of the zoning of the zoning to the comp plan.

1564
02:24:01,060 --> 02:24:07,640
The other thing I want to talk about is, is your right the plan commission did talk about the challenges of single family development.

1565
02:24:07,940 --> 02:24:12,880
I do not believe that there is a path forward on the current owner to do single family.

1566
02:24:12,880 --> 02:24:17,780
as the council has said, there is really not a viable path.

1567
02:24:17,960 --> 02:24:21,800
Anything that's been done recently in single family has always had support.

1568
02:24:22,260 --> 02:24:24,900
This project does not, I know it's the future thing.

1569
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:32,700
We're not asking for support and our current plan I think is we're proposing potentially

1570
02:24:32,700 --> 02:24:39,720
a $30 million value project that would feed the tax base on the advantage of going to

1571
02:24:39,720 --> 02:24:48,160
To a complaint amendment like this is it allows things like private roads and private utilities which bring down the cost.

1572
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:51,100
There's no additional cost for the city.

1573
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:55,400
When you go to a single family, it needs to be on public streets and public infrastructure.

1574
02:24:55,400 --> 02:25:01,660
Those costs are significant, those future requirements for the city to take care of that infrastructure are significant.

1575
02:25:01,660 --> 02:25:09,200
So there are benefits that are allowed by the compliant change by going to this neighborhood

1576
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:13,920
district that allows us to do things with private roads that reduce the infrastructure

1577
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:18,280
needs not only upfront costs for the city but future maintenance.

1578
02:25:19,100 --> 02:25:24,060
There is already water through the development, that's the gravel road you drove in, and

1579
02:25:24,060 --> 02:25:29,320
there's sanitary sewer just north of the parcel, so all of that would be covered by existing

1580
02:25:29,320 --> 02:25:34,220
infrastructure. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Thank you.

1581
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:37,980
Any further discussion

1582
02:25:37,980 --> 02:25:41,160
tonight on this proposed ordinance change?

1583
02:25:43,960 --> 02:25:45,860
Okay, seeing none, I'm going to make a motion

1584
02:25:45,860 --> 02:25:50,700
that we take a five minute recess for a stretch break before we get to our last agenda item.

1585
02:25:52,100 --> 02:25:56,400
Zero second. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

1586
02:25:57,260 --> 02:25:58,500
I'll be back in five minutes.

1587
02:31:14,350 --> 02:31:17,870
I have a schedule, but my noticing

1588
02:32:27,500 --> 02:32:32,580
at work, I'm more, more willing to bite people's heads off. It's probably not a good thing.

1589
02:32:37,870 --> 02:32:39,270
Greg Waters. Greg Waters.

1590
02:32:57,900 --> 02:32:59,400
Okay, we've just completed our

1591
02:32:59,400 --> 02:33:01,740
Our recess, so we are back on the record.

1592
02:33:02,860 --> 02:33:10,260
And our final agenda item under City Business tonight is the discussion on the Sandy Beach Mobile Home Park redevelopment.

1593
02:33:10,480 --> 02:33:13,720
So I'm going to turn it over to Drake to kick off the discussion.

1594
02:33:16,660 --> 02:33:30,400
Sure, so included in your packet is, our couple of memos, one is a general analysis of B level with some financial information as well as potential alternatives.

1595
02:33:30,400 --> 02:33:36,040
and then it kind of concludes with some decision points that we would need to kind of move forward on it.

1596
02:33:37,100 --> 02:33:45,060
I did send out, I did receive some questions from Councilmumpers prior to the meeting and sent out some additional information.

1597
02:33:45,720 --> 02:33:54,980
One question was about what the cost of restoring to passive use, if B level was decommissioned, what the cost of restoring to passive use would be.

1598
02:33:56,200 --> 02:34:02,760
without any special landscaping considerations and essentially just returning to general park land.

1599
02:34:03,380 --> 02:34:07,960
Our best estimate right now is $100 to $110,000.

1600
02:34:08,200 --> 02:34:23,320
That's for abandoning the current utilities that are out there and then restoring removal of some asphalt roadway and then grass seating and restoring the land.

1601
02:34:23,320 --> 02:34:28,740
And the other one I sent out, if you have it before in front of you, I don't want to

1602
02:34:28,740 --> 02:34:35,200
read through the entire thing, but it was a question of what task staff annually undertakes

1603
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:42,240
throughout the year on kind of administration of the mobile home park and it's broken down

1604
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:48,420
by department ranging from the utility staff as well as the park staff as well as administrative

1605
02:34:48,420 --> 02:34:57,540
of front staff. So that was sent out to you earlier today. If there's any questions

1606
02:34:57,540 --> 02:35:05,820
on those items, it ranges from jetting of sewer, to turning on water, to repairing

1607
02:35:05,820 --> 02:35:15,260
any connection issues that there may have been to processing transfers, signing of leases,

1608
02:35:15,260 --> 02:35:19,000
is evictions if they become necessary.

1609
02:35:19,660 --> 02:35:23,940
So it runs a whole game of different types of services

1610
02:35:23,940 --> 02:35:27,060
that are unnecessary as part of the ownership

1611
02:35:27,060 --> 02:35:28,340
of a mobile home park.

1612
02:35:30,040 --> 02:35:32,860
How in depth would the council like me

1613
02:35:32,860 --> 02:35:35,940
to go on the memo that's in your packet?

1614
02:35:36,540 --> 02:35:39,300
Chief Russ is on vacation this week,

1615
02:35:39,380 --> 02:35:41,900
so we would have to wait to have, if there are any specific

1616
02:35:41,900 --> 02:35:45,880
of the questions of what he observed when we asked him

1617
02:35:45,880 --> 02:35:46,680
to walk through there.

1618
02:35:47,700 --> 02:35:49,480
I would note that the police department

1619
02:35:49,480 --> 02:35:52,960
and the parks department are tracking parking lot numbers

1620
02:35:53,580 --> 02:35:57,340
to give us some better data on how many cars are parking there

1621
02:35:57,340 --> 02:36:00,560
on any given day to better inform an analysis

1622
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:03,080
of potential monetization at the parking lot

1623
02:36:03,080 --> 02:36:08,100
as a revenue source both before and after a redevelopment

1624
02:36:08,100 --> 02:36:09,540
of the parking lot where to occur.

1625
02:36:11,860 --> 02:36:18,620
There's also, so it focuses on what it would take to redevelop B-level, to modern standards

1626
02:36:18,620 --> 02:36:23,120
and modern codes with the necessary spacing requirements out there.

1627
02:36:23,320 --> 02:36:28,700
It touches on some of the difficulties of the redevelopment of the utilities.

1628
02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:33,760
Brandon Herbert, the city's engineer with strand associates, is online.

1629
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:42,760
If you have questions of him specifically perhaps related around trenching and boring and why certain things must be trenched versus board

1630
02:36:43,380 --> 02:36:49,900
I know there has also been questions that the council has received about a project that went in a private that went on in a private

1631
02:36:49,900 --> 02:36:57,120
Mobile home community regarding their infrastructure and we did reach out to them it was a much smaller project much shorter

1632
02:36:57,120 --> 02:37:04,080
amount, only several feet of main that had to be replaced and so a much smaller scale project

1633
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:13,580
that allowed for, I guess, a less, I guess, obtrusive way of repairing that, but it was not

1634
02:37:13,580 --> 02:37:21,120
a full-scale replacement of that system and so currently the infrastructure out there

1635
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:24,560
is not buried to a depth that meets modern standards.

1636
02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:29,620
the water and sewer are also not separated to the amount that they would be required to

1637
02:37:30,260 --> 02:37:37,460
under modern code. And so those difficulties as well as top topography issues to ensure

1638
02:37:37,460 --> 02:37:43,580
that the sewer specifically is draining in the way that you want it to, you have to get

1639
02:37:43,580 --> 02:37:52,820
the grades correct and to do so, directionally boring that length, would both run into conflicts

1640
02:37:52,820 --> 02:38:03,420
with where existing trailers are and where those connections need to go as well as if you don't

1641
02:38:03,420 --> 02:38:09,940
get the grades correct then gravity doesn't do the job that it needs to do with the transference of the

1642
02:38:09,940 --> 02:38:19,700
materials. So there are 38 lots out there currently we have not designed what a redevelopment would look

1643
02:38:19,700 --> 02:38:26,380
like. So that 17 number is an estimate. So it does work off of those numbers. It works

1644
02:38:26,380 --> 02:38:30,500
off of what currently straights are. There's a debt schedule attached that shows you what

1645
02:38:30,500 --> 02:38:35,840
principal and interest payments would be over a 20-year period on the estimated cost of

1646
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:42,120
that redevelopment. And then there's an analysis that goes into what least rates would have

1647
02:38:42,120 --> 02:38:48,460
to look like if you needed to raise the revenue from B-level in order to accommodate the infrastructure

1648
02:38:49,440 --> 02:38:56,640
There could be a conversation about spreading the costs amongst the association, certainly.

1649
02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:01,260
We could engage with the association on those conversations.

1650
02:39:01,840 --> 02:39:07,320
But if we're looking at B-level, which is our current most pressing infrastructure need,

1651
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:14,700
that is where the analysis settles as handling is its own independent redevelopment of that section of the mobile home part.

1652
02:39:14,700 --> 02:39:15,680
Thank

1653
02:39:18,310 --> 02:39:32,170
you Drake so as you mentioned we've got a number of documents that you've provided for us to review and this is just scheduled tonight for discussion item so we're not making any decisions tonight but I would recommend that we try to

1654
02:39:33,050 --> 02:39:42,770
establish some direction so that we can have a future decision item or more than one with a resolution that we can vote on so that we can make some formal decisions.

1655
02:39:42,770 --> 02:39:48,670
I particularly appreciate the questions that you posed for us right in your memo.

1656
02:39:48,850 --> 02:39:54,890
And I think those are some of the key questions that we do need to give a formal answer on the on the record too.

1657
02:39:55,150 --> 02:39:58,230
So I think I'll open the floor to discussion.

1658
02:39:58,590 --> 02:40:05,450
Any comments or questions that we may have or how we want to move forward with this or any other information.

1659
02:40:05,910 --> 02:40:10,690
The council members would like to receive to help us make decisions.

1660
02:40:10,690 --> 02:40:17,110
Is there anyone that has comments that would like to start us off?

1661
02:40:19,530 --> 02:40:27,470
Can I ask a specific question on one of the new exhibits that was sent earlier today regarding the cost for utility abandonment?

1662
02:40:28,970 --> 02:40:36,750
What would be the trade-offs for long-term anything?

1663
02:40:36,750 --> 02:40:43,930
So does that prohibit make it more challenging than to annex in anybody at Sandy Beach Road, or if we were to just abandon what?

1664
02:40:44,810 --> 02:40:47,350
What would we why would we not want to do that?

1665
02:40:48,030 --> 02:40:55,170
Because that is that was new information and I thought it was extremely. I was actually quite surprised at how inexpensive it was and so.

1666
02:40:57,170 --> 02:41:01,930
We would not make we would not advise to make connections to any

1667
02:41:01,930 --> 02:41:06,510
properties along Sandy Beach Road from the infrastructure that exists on B level.

1668
02:41:06,750 --> 02:41:13,510
Okay, so the connection would likely come from somewhere else that has more modern infrastructure. That's capable of serving

1669
02:41:14,470 --> 02:41:18,190
That area adequately. Okay. Thanks.

1670
02:41:20,550 --> 02:41:21,190
Great.

1671
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:35,880
Oh, I'm sorry about that day. That's the second time tonight.

1672
02:41:37,560 --> 02:41:43,540
I'll price tag associated with it. There certainly is I spoke with Eric kind of briefly about it

1673
02:41:43,540 --> 02:41:53,600
but if the sewer utility is out there needing to jet that can be three sewer employees for an entire day.

1674
02:41:54,060 --> 02:42:03,620
When they do water turn-ons, that's Eric's staff as well as utility staff so that can be three to four people at that point in time.

1675
02:42:03,620 --> 02:42:13,160
so we would probably need more time to try and we don't track like Mobile Home Park is not like a

1676
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:19,240
designation within like our timekeeping software and so we have that they were at Sandy Beach,

1677
02:42:19,240 --> 02:42:24,760
but we can't we know how many hours they're spending at Sandy Beach, but we don't go further into

1678
02:42:24,760 --> 02:42:29,600
that and track how many hours are being spent on the Mobile Home Park specifically. So we could come

1679
02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:36,160
up with some estimates of specific tasks for a future discussion, but I don't have that

1680
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:38,960
for you right now and it would be an estimate.

1681
02:42:39,580 --> 02:42:43,180
So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the break even is I look at the dollars

1682
02:42:43,820 --> 02:42:47,120
for the project, the dollars we would get in rent.

1683
02:42:48,400 --> 02:42:50,260
It's roughly a 20-year break even.

1684
02:42:51,160 --> 02:42:56,880
If you add this cost on, that's going to add years to that break even of course, and I'm

1685
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:59,460
I'm not sure how many years that would add,

1686
02:42:59,820 --> 02:43:02,340
so just trying to figure out the numbers is all.

1687
02:43:02,760 --> 02:43:02,920
Sure.

1688
02:43:03,900 --> 02:43:06,780
I was having some similar thoughts, Greg,

1689
02:43:06,900 --> 02:43:08,200
and was trying to do a little math.

1690
02:43:08,360 --> 02:43:11,000
I came up with a little closer to maybe 23 years,

1691
02:43:11,100 --> 02:43:15,140
but around that, yeah, what would offset the costs

1692
02:43:15,140 --> 02:43:18,500
of the borrowing, or how long would it take

1693
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:20,780
to sort of have that return on investment?

1694
02:43:20,780 --> 02:43:23,420
I appreciated getting the list of tasks

1695
02:43:23,420 --> 02:43:26,120
even without a dollar amount or salaries

1696
02:43:26,120 --> 02:43:31,060
or whatever to go with it because I've always wondered, we have in our budget,

1697
02:43:31,060 --> 02:43:39,620
what is it, 246,000 in revenue for this year, is our anticipated revenue from the leases

1698
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:41,280
in the overall mobile home park.

1699
02:43:41,780 --> 02:43:46,920
But I know that the city role to operate the mobile home park is not zero cost.

1700
02:43:47,420 --> 02:43:55,180
So it's just good, I think for all of us to understand that it's not just a net revenue

1701
02:43:55,180 --> 02:44:10,070
We love 246,000, and there is some cost that the city has to expend to operate the mobile home park, and so that we should think about that as we're factoring some of this in any other.

1702
02:44:11,030 --> 02:44:25,590
Greg, yes, so I guess some of the things I'm weighing here is, we're looking at an infrastructure that's about 50 years, we're talking about maybe 25 years for break even 20 to 25 somewhere like that.

1703
02:44:26,930 --> 02:44:34,150
I'm looking at the taxpayer base and you know how do we use this land moving forward.

1704
02:44:34,410 --> 02:44:40,370
I wasn't the one that sent in the question about what if we turn this into Parkland but

1705
02:44:40,370 --> 02:44:42,390
that's an option I've been thinking about as well.

1706
02:44:44,970 --> 02:44:55,210
So it's a lot to look at and I guess I might be interested in learning more about if we

1707
02:44:55,210 --> 02:44:57,990
We did turn it into Parkland how that would incorporate maybe into

1708
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:28,920
How we could use the different facilities. I know when I go down there on the weekend, I went down twice the summer, and it is wall-to-wall people. And there's not much space. And we're thinking about putting volleyball courts now into the park. And that's going to take more, more away from the park as far as people coming in on the weekend. There's be less space to be in.

1709
02:45:28,920 --> 02:45:33,400
So, I'm not sure if this is an opportunity to expand the park if it makes sense, but

1710
02:45:33,400 --> 02:45:35,500
it's something that should be reviewed, I think.

1711
02:45:40,420 --> 02:45:40,920
Beard?

1712
02:45:41,340 --> 02:45:41,440
Yep.

1713
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:46,300
And I agree with Greg in looking at alternatives.

1714
02:45:47,800 --> 02:45:55,340
I feel the payback time table is extensive and long and the cost is worrisome.

1715
02:45:55,680 --> 02:46:00,740
I think our citizens ever telling us they're not interested in paying without you being able

1716
02:46:00,740 --> 02:46:04,980
to utilize the park more extensively for the money that they're putting forward.

1717
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:11,740
And so I actually am intrigued by the operational plan for even a campground.

1718
02:46:11,960 --> 02:46:17,460
So if I think about our expertise, so I looked at, you know, think about their mission

1719
02:46:17,460 --> 02:46:20,480
and vision of the city and our obligation to our citizens.

1720
02:46:20,980 --> 02:46:26,000
And then I think about what makes us strong, where are we strong?

1721
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:29,380
And I think about the expertise that we bring to the table in the park's department.

1722
02:46:29,380 --> 02:46:35,060
I believe in the camping arena is something that would be of interest.

1723
02:46:36,120 --> 02:46:40,140
We wouldn't have to put the infrastructure with the concrete pads.

1724
02:46:40,860 --> 02:46:41,840
It would bring in revenue.

1725
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:47,040
I know we've got the parks board is still noodling on other revenue ideas.

1726
02:46:47,560 --> 02:46:58,160
But thinking about the then citizens and current at least less ease at the mobile home park would have the opportunity

1727
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:04,980
to, you know, come back in in a different fashion if it's not a permanent structure to bring

1728
02:47:04,980 --> 02:47:13,100
an RV or some other type of camper in and still enjoy the space on a much lower cost but

1729
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:16,800
then it opens it up to our citizens to be a part of that solution.

1730
02:47:17,580 --> 02:47:21,000
I don't know what that might be even more when it comes to operations.

1731
02:47:21,460 --> 02:47:27,640
I see, I know they use utilities and so that's not then capping so I think that's very complex

1732
02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:36,360
And it may even be more cost prohibitive, but it'd be interesting to have a ballpark whether that is something because it would also provide a revenue stream.

1733
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:39,880
You can't get into a campground, almost like a year in advance.

1734
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:48,160
If you have an RV and you want to go and enjoy a new park somewhere across the country.

1735
02:47:48,780 --> 02:47:52,720
And so it's just an intriguing park amenity.

1736
02:47:53,840 --> 02:47:57,360
When you brought up, though, when you brought up volleyball courts, my mind shifted to

1737
02:47:57,360 --> 02:47:57,600
old.

1738
02:47:58,580 --> 02:48:07,300
We could use more space for recreation, so I'm thinking out loud a little bit, but wanting

1739
02:48:07,300 --> 02:48:16,980
to recognize what options might be available, but understanding that RV, when you had recreational

1740
02:48:16,980 --> 02:48:20,000
vehicle campground, I think might come with a higher cost.

1741
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:27,880
And I think it's intriguing, but I don't have even a rough idea where that would put us financially either.

1742
02:48:28,340 --> 02:48:29,280
So I'd be interested.

1743
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:31,300
Michelle?

1744
02:48:31,700 --> 02:48:47,400
I have a question about, so let's just put it out there and assume that we decide to do this and there are, you know, there are owners that choose to abandon.

1745
02:48:47,400 --> 02:48:54,820
and so that 87,000 or whatever it is is now on us, right?

1746
02:48:56,000 --> 02:49:00,640
You talk about if we decommissioned and someone just left their personal property there.

1747
02:49:02,040 --> 02:49:09,600
It would likely fall on the city to remove it and we would engage in collections efforts against the owner of that personal property.

1748
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:14,900
Okay, so there's some litigation issue to consider because of the lease agreement.

1749
02:49:17,020 --> 02:49:23,100
In your memo, and I apologize, I've been raking through it, and I guess my may have missed it.

1750
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:36,240
How much is it to remove the mobile home from its location to allow for this infrastructure to happen, and then be replaced?

1751
02:49:37,620 --> 02:49:49,080
The last one that was done was ordered as part of the raising of the sand bar. I don't have an exact number but I'd say it was between 5 and 10,000 specifically for the mobile home.

1752
02:49:49,440 --> 02:50:01,300
So just per disconnected and then in most circumstances in that specific circumstances that mobile home was not salvageable so they just compacted it and destroyed it and got moved it off site.

1753
02:50:01,300 --> 02:50:07,780
So $5,000 just to move it versus 8.

1754
02:50:08,540 --> 02:50:14,860
It's going to depend on size, condition, location, mobility, you know, how it is.

1755
02:50:15,080 --> 02:50:17,600
But some porches are attached to it too.

1756
02:50:17,660 --> 02:50:21,780
There will be thousands to remove one if the city is tasked with doing it.

1757
02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:22,340
Okay.

1758
02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:23,180
I'm just.

1759
02:50:23,660 --> 02:50:24,660
And we would, right.

1760
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:29,300
And that's where we would engage in, we would then engage in a legal process of collections

1761
02:50:29,300 --> 02:50:37,380
against the property owner for the abandonment of their personal property and the city's service that was provided at the removal.

1762
02:50:37,800 --> 02:50:40,680
Right, I wasn't thinking about their abandonment necessarily.

1763
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:47,820
I was looking at what was the financial obligation of the mobile home owner to move it and how, you know,

1764
02:50:47,960 --> 02:50:54,000
how devastating would that be versus like looking at their pros and cons.

1765
02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:58,560
I'm trying to put myself in their shoes so as to allow for myself to make a

1766
02:50:58,560 --> 02:51:09,560
I understand. I get what you're coming from. I think that because of the infrastructure work that needs to go on, the removal of the trailers is necessary, whether you redevelop or

1767
02:51:10,580 --> 02:51:11,080
the issue.

1768
02:51:12,380 --> 02:51:20,280
Totally agree with you. I was just trying to put myself in the issues and see what financial situation would I have to contend with. Thank you.

1769
02:51:22,320 --> 02:51:27,060
So I've got a few comments and one, I guess, would follow up on some of your questions.

1770
02:51:27,060 --> 02:51:28,140
Michelle, I do.

1771
02:51:28,860 --> 02:51:34,460
I think it's, well, number one, I think it's critical to address level B sooner rather

1772
02:51:34,460 --> 02:51:35,000
than later.

1773
02:51:35,360 --> 02:51:42,140
I think we're, you know, we're living on viral time with our utilities and we've been

1774
02:51:42,140 --> 02:51:44,380
trying to work on this project for the last eight years.

1775
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:49,660
And the last thing I want is DNR to issue us a consent order that we have to upgrade our

1776
02:51:49,660 --> 02:51:50,100
utilities.

1777
02:51:50,100 --> 02:51:59,540
Let's just do it before we're ordered to and before there's harm to the lake, which hopefully is not currently happening.

1778
02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:04,220
So I think it's important that we make some key decisions soon.

1779
02:52:05,440 --> 02:52:18,340
I would agree with the staff information that I don't think there's any way to redo or redevelop level B without the current homes being moved.

1780
02:52:18,340 --> 02:52:20,100
No, yes, thank you.

1781
02:52:20,540 --> 02:52:33,080
So, to me, it would be whatever we decide to do, whether we decide to redevelop level B or decommission level B, I would like to give the level B owners as much notice as possible.

1782
02:52:33,720 --> 02:52:45,680
So, legally, I think if we want them to move their buildings at the end of 2026, I think we have until next June under our lease.

1783
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:49,440
I'd like to give them more notice in that, you know, like once we're ready to decide,

1784
02:52:49,440 --> 02:52:54,680
let's decide so that they can make their plans, you know, take whatever steps they need

1785
02:52:54,680 --> 02:53:02,700
to enjoy, you know, the next season here and, you know, help plenty of time to make those preparations.

1786
02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:10,560
So I think, to me, there is some time sensitivity in terms of just giving as much notice

1787
02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:16,660
level be owners as possible and for us to keep moving on you know the

1788
02:53:16,660 --> 02:53:22,700
priority of this level. From a I guess bigger picture perspective I've just

1789
02:53:22,700 --> 02:53:25,860
I've been thinking about this a lot and I've talked to you know a number of

1790
02:53:25,860 --> 02:53:30,820
neighbors and and other constituents and thinking through the history of this

1791
02:53:30,820 --> 02:53:35,820
project and I my husband and I moved here about 18 years ago and I remember the

1792
02:53:35,820 --> 02:53:40,240
first time I went down by Sandy Beach I was like mobile home park city of like

1793
02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:44,880
Like Mill is like, well, since when do cities own mobile home parks, and then, you know,

1794
02:53:44,960 --> 02:53:49,400
over time I learned a little bit more about it, and as I got more involved in city government,

1795
02:53:49,540 --> 02:53:53,820
I learned a lot about the history of it, and I certainly don't pretend to be an expert

1796
02:53:53,820 --> 02:53:54,180
on that.

1797
02:53:54,200 --> 02:54:03,260
But I think, you know, in 1977, people did not want Lake Front condos if that property

1798
02:54:03,260 --> 02:54:06,020
was going to sell to a private entity, if that resorted.

1799
02:54:06,020 --> 02:54:15,420
And so my understanding is that that was controversial, but that that's what city residents wanted the city to acquire this property.

1800
02:54:15,620 --> 02:54:24,260
So the city acquired it and we've been getting a revenue and operating on the mobile home park all that time.

1801
02:54:24,380 --> 02:54:26,360
So that's coming up on 50 years.

1802
02:54:26,580 --> 02:54:33,240
So it's certainly understandable that now we're going to have to make a significant investment in the infrastructure.

1803
02:54:34,900 --> 02:54:56,720
I have talked to a number of constituents who have said to me, you know, why is this city in the mobile home park business and who have also said, you know, that's parkland that I don't have access to where the mobile home community is but the city owns it and I as a city resident or visitor can't use it.

1804
02:54:56,720 --> 02:55:12,580
So I am really, I think we're really at a point in all the years that we've been working on the Sandy Beach redevelopment where we really have a blank slate with the, I would say with the exception of the bolt launch.

1805
02:55:12,780 --> 02:55:17,280
I mean, I think we're pretty, we're not going to move that. We're not going to remove it. We just bought a new pier.

1806
02:55:17,280 --> 02:55:21,500
So I think the bolt launch is there, that part is completed.

1807
02:55:22,420 --> 02:55:25,440
Everything else really I would see as a blank slate.

1808
02:55:25,800 --> 02:55:31,780
So I think it's time for us to really say what is our overall vision for this property.

1809
02:55:34,020 --> 02:55:38,580
And as I've talked to different neighbors, I've thought, well,

1810
02:55:38,680 --> 02:55:43,160
there's pros and cons to continuing to have a mobile home community there.

1811
02:55:43,160 --> 02:56:02,720
where I really wanted to see the numbers and now that I've seen the numbers, I don't think it's a good investment for the city of Lake Mills to continue another 50 years of having of the city operating a mobile home community there.

1812
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:09,080
I just don't, I really am trying to think like what are the benefits to city tax payers?

1813
02:56:09,340 --> 02:56:15,980
For 50 years it's been that revenue and that income and you know this year, $246,000.

1814
02:56:16,280 --> 02:56:21,760
But as soon as we have to spend a million and a half and when you do principal and interest

1815
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:31,260
and that's close to $3 million, that's a really long time to pay that off and to start generating

1816
02:56:31,260 --> 02:56:37,340
revenue and as soon as we pour concrete pads and put in the ground utilities, we're making

1817
02:56:37,340 --> 02:56:38,640
a 50 year decision.

1818
02:56:41,340 --> 02:56:48,000
So as I'm seeing the numbers, I'm really seeing that this is a point where we can make

1819
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:54,280
a different decision for the future of Sandy Beach Park and I think one of our constituents

1820
02:56:54,280 --> 02:56:59,440
who has contacted all of us has said, you know, there's 27 acres there and we really

1821
02:56:59,440 --> 02:57:06,120
should have that 27 acres should all be, you know, accessible to city residents and visitors.

1822
02:57:06,500 --> 02:57:16,000
So I think if we're, if we go down the path of decommissioning level B possibly decommissioning

1823
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:21,520
the other levels over time, we're going to need alternative sources of revenue and so that's obviously

1824
02:57:21,520 --> 02:57:28,080
is that big discussion point of, is it the monetizing the parking lot? Is it, you know, raising the

1825
02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:32,920
on the ones that aren't in level B, we're not charging anywhere near what the feasibility

1826
02:57:32,920 --> 02:57:38,020
study said that we should be charging so it's, you know, people are enjoying a wonderful

1827
02:57:38,020 --> 02:57:42,860
opportunity at Sandy Beach Park but it's, you know, they're getting a good deal there

1828
02:57:42,860 --> 02:57:47,160
and there's a lot of things in terms of our revenue that I think we could be optimizing.

1829
02:57:48,060 --> 02:57:59,020
I, too, am intrigued by the RV stand or RV camper campsites or whatever concession stand

1830
02:57:59,020 --> 02:58:02,840
could potentially be a revenue source, that would be some construction costs, so maybe

1831
02:58:02,840 --> 02:58:03,540
that will be a while.

1832
02:58:03,680 --> 02:58:04,160
Parking what?

1833
02:58:05,140 --> 02:58:09,560
Parking, monetizing, parking lot, so anyway, I've been, these are all the things I guess that

1834
02:58:09,560 --> 02:58:15,640
I've been thinking about, but to me, I think we really are at a point where we can envision

1835
02:58:15,640 --> 02:58:18,680
and it's something totally different for Sandy Beach Park

1836
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:20,720
than what is there now.

1837
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:26,120
And, you know, work through that over time.

1838
02:58:26,400 --> 02:58:29,080
And that's what I'd like to see us talk further about.

1839
02:58:31,390 --> 02:58:33,090
So I think we're at a discussion point

1840
02:58:33,090 --> 02:58:34,110
and at a decision point.

1841
02:58:34,190 --> 02:58:36,290
I just want to review the options.

1842
02:58:37,230 --> 02:58:38,910
So no decisions are being made tonight

1843
02:58:38,910 --> 02:58:41,090
but we are talking about possibilities.

1844
02:58:41,390 --> 02:58:42,590
Yeah, so, okay.

1845
02:58:42,990 --> 02:58:45,950
So does anybody have any other?

1846
02:58:46,990 --> 02:58:55,870
comments or ideas or yeah well I think it's important I know we've been to make

1847
02:58:55,870 --> 02:59:00,510
sure that we have the right experts at the table working with us as we're

1848
02:59:00,510 --> 02:59:05,950
talking about the full 20 plus acres as it is and what opportunities that

1849
02:59:05,950 --> 02:59:10,450
comes forward in the future and I know we've been utilizing I think the just the

1850
02:59:10,450 --> 02:59:14,010
general bucket of money that we use with meat and

1851
02:59:14,010 --> 02:59:18,350
And they've been doing a nice job trying to kind of work alongside with us.

1852
02:59:18,350 --> 02:59:26,770
And I'm wondering if a point of consideration in the CIP should be a car about commitment to an expert.

1853
02:59:26,770 --> 02:59:37,410
They are a park development companies that actually might be helpful in advisement on a small scale.

1854
02:59:37,410 --> 02:59:45,450
or we may desire to do a larger scale to look at this particular piece of land, starting

1855
02:59:45,450 --> 02:59:50,750
with as it is knowing that we've got Part B to address aggressively but we have the

1856
02:59:50,750 --> 02:59:55,530
other elements and knowing what we have. It's just something I think we should also think

1857
02:59:55,530 --> 02:59:58,170
about as it relates to supporting staff on-

1858
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:14,360
On getting to that next chapter, our next level of detail, I think, and I don't know Drake. If you have a perspective on that, but I do, I'm worried we're using our general meeting

1859
03:00:14,360 --> 03:00:28,860
hunt and I'm sure they have expertise, not sure what extend in the space. And maybe they are the right player, but we, I mean, this is to your point about the 50 year decision. And if we have this uplinked slate, doing it in a fashion that is

1860
03:00:28,860 --> 03:00:34,900
well thought out and they tax our brains to think differently I think is would be

1861
03:00:34,900 --> 03:00:39,980
to our benefit. So that's another thought I have an idea that should be a point

1862
03:00:39,980 --> 03:00:43,480
of or could be a point of discussion. Yeah I think you've got I think you're

1863
03:00:43,480 --> 03:00:47,100
correct there's kind of two ends of the spectrum of kind of park planning and

1864
03:00:47,100 --> 03:00:52,100
we've been closer to the one end which is really what I would describe as we've

1865
03:00:52,100 --> 03:00:57,180
asked our planning consultants for boxes on paper right an aerial view of the

1866
03:00:57,180 --> 03:01:03,520
park and then they kind of, sorry, place different components into the general

1867
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:09,000
locations of where they would go, but there's, it's not necessarily, there

1868
03:01:09,000 --> 03:01:15,560
hasn't been a, a significant effort towards like a park redevelopment plan, an

1869
03:01:15,560 --> 03:01:19,820
updated park redevelopment plan. You could almost, you know, you could on the

1870
03:01:19,820 --> 03:01:25,860
other end of the spectrum, you could go as far as, for lack of a better term, a kind

1871
03:01:25,860 --> 03:01:32,780
of a mini comp plan process where it's just the sandy beach redevelopment or sandy beach

1872
03:01:32,780 --> 03:01:39,580
development planning process and you can take the time you need you can engage with stakeholders

1873
03:01:39,580 --> 03:01:46,700
you can hold you could engage with a planner and a designer to have listening sessions you know we

1874
03:01:46,700 --> 03:01:54,160
could do more surveys you know we can kind of build so there's a spectrum there and we've been

1875
03:01:54,160 --> 03:02:00,180
on the lower end of that. So I do agree that if we want something more

1876
03:02:00,180 --> 03:02:04,740
intensive, we know wherever on the spectrum that lies something with more

1877
03:02:04,740 --> 03:02:10,640
dedicated, you know, just a dedicated park plan that we would need to allocate

1878
03:02:10,640 --> 03:02:13,480
resources in order to bring that to fruition.

1879
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:19,300
I'm thinking about the, I think we have a good hand on the beach side. I idea,

1880
03:02:19,540 --> 03:02:24,020
generation, I think we've got some schematics that I think are resonating and

1881
03:02:24,020 --> 03:02:30,260
would be very, I think, a great upgrade, and be a wonderful asset to the city.

1882
03:02:30,760 --> 03:02:34,820
But when we talk about the balance, when you start pulling back towards the rotary park.

1883
03:02:37,260 --> 03:02:42,300
I know, imagining what kind of imagination could we have if we just, if we are deciding,

1884
03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:48,320
if we ever come to the decision that having camping or the mobile home park.

1885
03:02:49,400 --> 03:02:51,680
Rebuilt is something that's not of interest.

1886
03:02:51,680 --> 03:02:59,800
So I, I, as many of a blank slate, we could have walking paths as, you know, but is that the best utilization of the space?

1887
03:02:59,800 --> 03:03:01,560
I don't, I, I don't know what I'm missing.

1888
03:03:02,340 --> 03:03:04,500
We, I was just an idea, just I thought.

1889
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:12,540
We do plan this fall as well to after the occupants have left to televised a level and pines,

1890
03:03:12,540 --> 03:03:18,080
which we haven't really focused on yet to get a better, to get understanding of what that infrastructure looks like.

1891
03:03:18,080 --> 03:03:23,860
We don't have the same issues annually with infrastructure in those areas to the extent

1892
03:03:23,860 --> 03:03:30,060
that we do on B-level, and there have been limited projects, certainly on A-level

1893
03:03:30,060 --> 03:03:34,540
when the new bathhouse was installed, I believe, in the 90s.

1894
03:03:35,140 --> 03:03:40,140
So there's some updated things there, so it's possible there's a longer timeline.

1895
03:03:41,180 --> 03:03:46,840
We would expect a longer timeline on those areas, versus where B-level is, which invites

1896
03:03:46,840 --> 03:03:53,780
conversations on, you know, what does, you know, A-level and Pines look like, does the

1897
03:03:53,780 --> 03:03:58,860
city want to maintain, you know, portions of the mobile home park, all of the mobile

1898
03:03:58,860 --> 03:04:05,900
home park, and then if we have more time than that, we can incorporate that into lease structures

1899
03:04:05,900 --> 03:04:11,980
and planning for, you know, payment of upgrades when they became necessary, which we don't

1900
03:04:11,980 --> 03:04:14,800
have a luxury of on B level at this time.

1901
03:04:17,340 --> 03:04:18,340
You mentioned infrastructure.

1902
03:04:18,340 --> 03:04:21,360
Do we still have the safety concerns on Pines in A?

1903
03:04:21,680 --> 03:04:23,180
And I, to what extent are those,

1904
03:04:23,180 --> 03:04:24,600
would those drive a different timeline

1905
03:04:24,600 --> 03:04:27,840
or a different set of changes like trees

1906
03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:29,320
or removal or something?

1907
03:04:29,960 --> 03:04:32,900
Yeah, I think I would definitely invite

1908
03:04:32,900 --> 03:04:34,880
at the next conversation to have chief Russ

1909
03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:36,740
kind of talk you through what he saw

1910
03:04:36,740 --> 03:04:39,260
and what we might be necessary.

1911
03:04:39,660 --> 03:04:42,280
I also think that if that many of the issues

1912
03:04:42,280 --> 03:04:51,760
We could engage with the association and seek stricter enforcement of rules as far as parking of vehicles and where those things are located.

1913
03:04:53,200 --> 03:05:00,820
So I think there's opportunities there, but correct is that there are aging trees in the area.

1914
03:05:01,040 --> 03:05:11,180
There are concerns outlined in the fire chiefs memo that I think will need to be grappled with as well as we have this discussion.

1915
03:05:16,530 --> 03:05:29,470
One of the things in your memo, you know, question to us is do we wish to monetize the parking lot and I think that's goes all the way back to the original feasibility study as, you know, being an idea.

1916
03:05:30,310 --> 03:05:37,570
I don't know if people have any leanings right now, but I think when I think about that, I do think about the.

1917
03:05:37,570 --> 03:05:47,930
But again, what are the benefits, particularly to city residents in this park overall in thinking about it with respect to the parking lot?

1918
03:05:48,170 --> 03:05:58,770
So I could appreciate that that might need to be a part of the analysis like looking at the data, how many cars you expect to be parked to there every week, different months of the year.

1919
03:05:58,950 --> 03:06:05,710
And then what percentage of those are going to be free because they're for city residents versus then how much do you charge others?

1920
03:06:05,710 --> 03:06:08,930
and so I can appreciate that there's a lot of analysis there.

1921
03:06:09,050 --> 03:06:14,370
But I think that that would be a good, to me, I've always thought

1922
03:06:14,370 --> 03:06:16,990
that that was a reasonable approach and there are plenty

1923
03:06:16,990 --> 03:06:21,150
of parks that charge, you know, entrance fees.

1924
03:06:21,150 --> 03:06:23,610
And I think it would be more effective

1925
03:06:23,610 --> 03:06:26,930
than our current, you know, admission approach to do it that way.

1926
03:06:27,050 --> 03:06:29,930
So I do kind of think that's an interesting approach.

1927
03:06:31,030 --> 03:06:33,870
Okay. I know that we're talking break even point we're looking

1928
03:06:33,870 --> 03:06:39,370
that to the city of like Mills but we also need to look at commerce that the

1929
03:06:39,370 --> 03:06:44,330
residents that live in the trailer park of course are buying food from our

1930
03:06:45,390 --> 03:06:50,290
restaurants they're buying from the grocery store they're shopping they're

1931
03:06:50,290 --> 03:06:55,450
doing things in like Mills at present commerce so we need to consider that into

1932
03:06:55,450 --> 03:07:03,150
the equation as well. Is there a way to estimate that or I mean even like

1933
03:07:03,150 --> 03:07:21,190
estimate the population of people that are in the mobile home community, you know, compared to like the number of residents in the city or whatever, I don't know, I'd have to think about about that one, about what we could put together on that there certainly is one, right?

1934
03:07:21,670 --> 03:07:25,930
It's probably likely a significant one in the amount of time that they're here.

1935
03:07:26,090 --> 03:07:37,390
You're talking about, right, there's 100 some mobile homes out there right now, the people

1936
03:07:37,390 --> 03:07:41,110
who are there all the time, the guests, the visitors, so you're talking about hundreds,

1937
03:07:41,170 --> 03:07:46,790
you know, hundreds of people that are engaged in commerce, so I'd have to put some more

1938
03:07:46,790 --> 03:07:55,370
I thought in to quantifying that and what that would, what how we would undertake that and if we're capable of providing that level of analysis.

1939
03:07:56,930 --> 03:08:09,370
I think that's important though and we think about how we utilize the space in the park is thinking about what does it do, what are the unintended and unintended consequences of the decisions we make depending on what we put there.

1940
03:08:09,990 --> 03:08:16,570
So if it's just walking trails it may not be a big draw as an example but if we had a combination of maybe

1941
03:08:16,570 --> 03:08:25,270
if you permanent mobile homes or maybe it's all ranked by the month for RVs or we have,

1942
03:08:26,050 --> 03:08:31,990
I don't know, splash pad, miniature golf. I don't know. I don't know what it would be. I'm just

1943
03:08:31,990 --> 03:08:37,190
trying to think how you, what alter options would be. I think it would draw, it would draw people,

1944
03:08:37,370 --> 03:08:44,810
but at a different, a different, in a different way. And maybe not at the same rate, maybe,

1945
03:08:44,810 --> 03:08:50,190
maybe at a dire rate, I don't know. I think that would be a good thing to think about is the

1946
03:08:51,410 --> 03:08:53,130
impact on commerce and

1947
03:08:57,190 --> 03:09:02,050
unintended consequences. I'm worried about Bartles Beach has been very busy too and so when you monetize

1948
03:09:02,910 --> 03:09:05,110
I'm intrigued by I think we had to find a way to get money

1949
03:09:05,630 --> 03:09:08,410
and if you monetize you at the park there is all the sudden

1950
03:09:09,070 --> 03:09:13,070
Bartles Beach now everyone's going to go there because you don't have to pay to park there

1951
03:09:13,510 --> 03:09:17,290
or is now that going to be a parking zone and you're going to have to pay to park along

1952
03:09:17,290 --> 03:09:23,510
ferry and in the parking lot there. And so then it's paid for both beaches. And so

1953
03:09:23,510 --> 03:09:27,110
I think there's going to be, I think there's a little bit now an unintended consequence.

1954
03:09:27,390 --> 03:09:31,190
We get, I think Bartles has been very extra busy this year, actually.

1955
03:09:34,370 --> 03:09:36,670
So now you have to walk five blocks instead of three.

1956
03:09:37,370 --> 03:09:37,490
Yeah.

1957
03:09:39,690 --> 03:10:02,810
Well, there would also be, and we've talked about this previously, if we monetize the parking lot that somebody can park a sandy beach road, then they don't have to pay, you know, they can walk a short distance, so you would need to, you know, address some of those other issues to have it be, you know, a viable proposal.

1958
03:10:02,810 --> 03:10:09,110
I had the fun experience of going to the beach this past weekend, I think it was this

1959
03:10:09,110 --> 03:10:14,230
past weekend, a few weekend before. Normally I was going on the weekday because my kids

1960
03:10:14,230 --> 03:10:20,330
are having swim lessons on the side of the school district side. So I was used to being

1961
03:10:20,330 --> 03:10:26,910
able to park in the parking lot and walk in and everything was fine. I was flabbergasted

1962
03:10:26,910 --> 03:10:34,930
by how many boat trailers were taking up two spaces on Sandy Beach Road along that way.

1963
03:10:35,130 --> 03:10:41,210
And I had to park all the way up by the park, which is fine, I had to walk anyway.

1964
03:10:41,370 --> 03:10:48,290
But the point is is that when Mary was saying there's a lot of unintended consequences.

1965
03:10:48,690 --> 03:10:56,150
And one of the things that I feel very passionately about is the parking situation and

1966
03:10:56,150 --> 03:10:59,970
And the impact it has on the residents and the people who walk, Sandy Beach Road.

1967
03:11:01,690 --> 03:11:07,970
Because it's not a very wide road, there are some blind spots that are very concerning.

1968
03:11:08,230 --> 03:11:13,230
I mean, especially if you've got somebody who's carelessly going over that hill, you don't

1969
03:11:13,230 --> 03:11:14,390
know what's on the other side.

1970
03:11:15,790 --> 03:11:25,250
So when we think about those things, that's one of my priorities is the safety factor and

1971
03:11:25,250 --> 03:11:29,670
and how do we mitigate the need and the safety.

1972
03:11:30,430 --> 03:11:33,790
But yeah, that's a minor thing compared to all

1973
03:11:33,790 --> 03:11:36,770
of the other conversations that we're having

1974
03:11:36,770 --> 03:11:39,910
and I'm interested to see more information,

1975
03:11:40,850 --> 03:11:45,110
financial information of the potential,

1976
03:11:48,100 --> 03:11:49,540
oh, what did you call it?

1977
03:11:49,920 --> 03:11:52,000
Sorry, it's Santa Claus, so it's late.

1978
03:11:54,020 --> 03:12:07,020
the where the RV park and and and and that because like you were saying Greg, there is there's money coming in from the people who stay in our mobile home community.

1979
03:12:07,460 --> 03:12:12,300
But the RV park can be around that something else to think about.

1980
03:12:14,410 --> 03:12:18,590
So should we start talking next steps? How to move this thing forward?

1981
03:12:18,590 --> 03:12:24,050
Yeah, just great coozers are you haven't said much yet, but I just want to make sure you had the opportunity if you want to

1982
03:12:27,520 --> 03:12:29,180
I'm good. Okay

1983
03:12:30,600 --> 03:12:35,120
So next step wise, I liked what Mary said about getting some

1984
03:12:35,760 --> 03:12:43,380
some advisor ship somebody to maybe help with direction, but I'd like to understand the cost involved with that having a

1985
03:12:43,380 --> 03:12:45,140
consultant come in and helping

1986
03:12:47,580 --> 03:12:48,840
What is that cost?

1987
03:12:49,580 --> 03:12:49,940
So.

1988
03:12:50,280 --> 03:12:54,600
And me and Hunt may actually be the right, may be able to still take us where we want to go.

1989
03:12:54,740 --> 03:12:59,980
I think it does depend on some of the answers to the questions that Drake has here regarding our intent.

1990
03:13:01,040 --> 03:13:12,940
That was kind of what I was thinking as well that, you know, and I guess the term that I would use for what I think you're describing the most elaborate version of it would be a master plan, right, like a park master plan.

1991
03:13:12,940 --> 03:13:15,960
and we have one particular constituent

1992
03:13:15,960 --> 03:13:18,840
firm in neighboring township that regularly asks us

1993
03:13:18,840 --> 03:13:20,220
to do a master plan.

1994
03:13:20,940 --> 03:13:25,100
And I think I've been hesitant because we've already spent so much time

1995
03:13:25,100 --> 03:13:26,700
and effort and money on this.

1996
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:29,700
But if we're going to shift in a different direction

1997
03:13:29,700 --> 03:13:34,040
and have some additional park land to be thinking about what to do

1998
03:13:34,040 --> 03:13:38,940
that may take us down a path where getting some additional advice

1999
03:13:38,940 --> 03:13:40,200
would be helpful.

2000
03:13:41,040 --> 03:13:50,060
I mean, I personally would recommend, I think we need to get a decision point on a couple

2001
03:13:50,060 --> 03:13:56,420
of these key questions for staff so that they can have some formal direction in a resolution

2002
03:13:56,840 --> 03:13:57,520
move ahead.

2003
03:13:57,800 --> 03:14:04,800
I believe we're budgeted this year for design on the parking lot, and is it also design on

2004
03:14:05,460 --> 03:14:11,660
level B this year. That's design next year and design next year. Okay. So I mean, some

2005
03:14:11,660 --> 03:14:17,960
of this, I don't know if some of these decisions are important to tie into the design of the

2006
03:14:17,960 --> 03:14:22,100
parking lot or not, in which case they would be fairly time sensitive, I would think.

2007
03:14:26,780 --> 03:14:35,940
If we, if you want to undertake a project in 2027, there certainly needs to be some decision

2008
03:14:35,940 --> 03:14:38,900
on what it is that we're going to be undertaking.

2009
03:14:42,400 --> 03:14:47,740
So, I mean, there's time, but we'll be talking about the CIP

2010
03:14:47,740 --> 03:14:51,140
and you can kind of see how it's currently laid out.

2011
03:14:51,280 --> 03:14:52,800
And those numbers would then shift based

2012
03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:55,880
on different decisions that the council makes.

2013
03:14:56,880 --> 03:14:59,480
We had some conversations we had.

2014
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,340
The list station that was scheduled, we've had some conversations about the sewer utility being

2015
03:15:07,340 --> 03:15:15,880
able to keep that functioning for another year to coincide better with kind of the other

2016
03:15:15,880 --> 03:15:22,900
redevelopment pieces of that. Just because the list station will look different depending

2017
03:15:22,900 --> 03:15:35,360
on what it's serving, right? So, I think that a big park master plan would take some time,

2018
03:15:35,360 --> 03:15:41,020
so I think you'd have to decide what you want to do with the B-level before we would want to

2019
03:15:41,020 --> 03:15:48,520
obviously engage in that. And then once you know that direction, then we can start

2020
03:15:48,520 --> 03:15:51,600
formulating timelines on other pieces of it.

2021
03:15:51,720 --> 03:15:55,920
The parking lot is deteriorating, but it's not, you know, you don't

2022
03:15:55,920 --> 03:16:00,600
imminently have to redevelop the parking lot or something like that.

2023
03:16:00,680 --> 03:16:05,120
There are economies of scale that you want to do, you know, pieces of it if you

2024
03:16:05,120 --> 03:16:08,920
were doing other projects, because otherwise you're going to damage, you're going

2025
03:16:08,920 --> 03:16:12,880
to end up damaging something brand new that you just put in.

2026
03:16:12,880 --> 03:16:27,540
So depending on which direction the council goes that will precipitate what the urgency or the timeline of other projects within the area.

2027
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:30,680
When do we get our first look at the budget?

2028
03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:38,400
Operating budget or capital budget? Operating? First meeting in September?

2029
03:16:42,890 --> 03:16:51,890
So based on your memo, Drake, it seems like there is sort of this core question or I guess

2030
03:16:51,890 --> 03:16:56,350
it's two questions or there's a guess or no.

2031
03:16:57,250 --> 03:17:05,410
Does the council want to redevelop level B, or does the council want a decommission level

2032
03:17:05,410 --> 03:17:13,710
be and that would give giving a direction on that would then be able to lead to other

2033
03:17:13,710 --> 03:17:14,290
conversations.

2034
03:17:14,730 --> 03:17:20,350
So if we voted to decommission B level then we could talk about what else might we want

2035
03:17:20,350 --> 03:17:26,430
to do there and maybe we make a short term decision and maybe we have a master planning process

2036
03:17:26,430 --> 03:17:31,350
or maybe we do something in between but it does seem like we would need to make that decision

2037
03:17:31,350 --> 03:17:43,550
And then also to allow infrastructure plans to be developed or restoration plans or you

2038
03:17:43,550 --> 03:17:46,450
know whatever it's going to be depending on what we decide.

2039
03:17:47,430 --> 03:17:52,770
We could draft a resolution for future consideration with a decision point built into it,

2040
03:17:52,770 --> 03:17:58,590
to check the box resolution that we've done in the past, since action isn't on the agenda

2041
03:17:58,590 --> 03:17:59,010
tonight.

2042
03:17:59,010 --> 03:17:59,150
Right.

2043
03:18:01,490 --> 03:18:04,870
We can do that. We can do that for the Council at a future meeting.

2044
03:18:06,010 --> 03:18:12,290
Would you need the, so one of your questions to us is do we wish to monetize the parking

2045
03:18:12,290 --> 03:18:18,810
light? Would you also see that as sort of a yes-no question on a resolution or is that something?

2046
03:18:19,030 --> 03:18:23,590
And I mean, I think you're gathering more data so that would be, might be helpful for us

2047
03:18:23,590 --> 03:18:26,290
to have that data before we decide.

2048
03:18:26,290 --> 03:18:26,690
Right.

2049
03:18:26,930 --> 03:18:32,870
I think monetizing, as you will, if revenue sources are eliminated, monetizing the parking lot

2050
03:18:32,870 --> 03:18:36,450
becomes a more important and timely conversation.

2051
03:18:36,990 --> 03:18:43,150
And so I think that we would, depending on what that decision is, we would want to begin

2052
03:18:43,150 --> 03:18:51,150
looking at what the plan for monetizing would be, how long it might take us to install the

2053
03:18:51,150 --> 03:18:55,050
systems in place in order to be able to charge for

2054
03:18:56,010 --> 03:18:56,610
parking

2055
03:18:57,270 --> 03:19:01,250
Establish whether the city council wants to incorporate a

2056
03:19:01,250 --> 03:19:08,450
You know one car from each household and lake mills can register and that car gets to park for free for city residents to maintain

2057
03:19:08,450 --> 03:19:11,010
the tradition of

2058
03:19:11,010 --> 03:19:19,030
Access to sandy beach by city residents, so I think that would then if we if a revenue source is being eliminated

2059
03:19:19,030 --> 03:19:25,450
then we need to have the other conversations on do we want to monetize the parking lot and if so

2060
03:19:26,190 --> 03:19:28,770
You know, what do we want that to look like

2061
03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:35,600
so it'll it's kind of it'll everything will precipitate down

2062
03:19:36,740 --> 03:19:37,700
but really

2063
03:19:39,260 --> 03:19:43,680
You could make the parking lot decision independent of what you do on on B level

2064
03:19:43,680 --> 03:19:50,920
So we certainly could have that conversation in parallel it just becomes more timely if a revenue source is eliminated

2065
03:19:50,920 --> 03:19:56,040
Right. I mean, we would need some alternative source of revenue or cut something from the

2066
03:19:56,040 --> 03:20:03,760
budget. Correct. So we would, that would be logical to have that soon after. So you're,

2067
03:20:03,940 --> 03:20:09,000
it sounds like you're saying Drake, that staff could draft a resolution of, you know, choose

2068
03:20:09,000 --> 03:20:15,360
one or the other in terms of what we want to do on level B. And then we could, would we

2069
03:20:15,360 --> 03:20:23,380
We want a second resolution, identifying, asking staff to identify alternative revenue sources

2070
03:20:23,380 --> 03:20:27,960
or that could just go along with the first resolution and then just kind of work our

2071
03:20:27,960 --> 03:20:29,560
way through decisions over time.

2072
03:20:31,100 --> 03:20:37,180
I think that you could incorporate identifying, identifying alternative sources of revenue

2073
03:20:37,180 --> 03:20:40,100
as a directive under the option to decommission.

2074
03:20:41,980 --> 03:20:48,320
Now, you could choose to redevelop B-level and still pursue other sources of revenue as

2075
03:20:48,320 --> 03:20:48,560
well.

2076
03:20:48,900 --> 03:20:55,720
So, if the council is interested in seeing what the parking lot might yield, then I'll

2077
03:20:55,720 --> 03:21:01,940
sit down and look at the data we've collected already, see what that information that might

2078
03:21:01,940 --> 03:21:07,040
give us, look at what the, try and get some initial costs of what the system would look

2079
03:21:07,040 --> 03:21:12,100
like and what it would take to bring that system to Sandy Beach and we can have that.

2080
03:21:12,400 --> 03:21:14,260
We can start preparing that for you.

2081
03:21:14,580 --> 03:21:18,920
I don't know that we'll have it by the next meeting when the resolution is easy to prepare.

2082
03:21:19,620 --> 03:21:25,480
We can start looking at what a monetization of that parking of the parking lot would look

2083
03:21:25,480 --> 03:21:32,120
like and start putting together some information for you to consider in parallel with other

2084
03:21:32,120 --> 03:21:32,680
decisions.

2085
03:21:32,680 --> 03:21:38,320
questions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we had that at some point in the

2086
03:21:38,320 --> 03:21:46,420
last four years. Maybe it was early on, but I do recall there was a conversation about

2087
03:21:46,420 --> 03:21:52,920
the monetization of parking and there was even a discussion about a particular kind.

2088
03:21:53,540 --> 03:22:01,040
There was, we have a system identified that we think would serve our needs if we install

2089
03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:03,960
that I haven't looked into exact costs of what it would take.

2090
03:22:04,120 --> 03:22:10,780
It's essentially a reader that you go in to the parking lot, there's a certain amount

2091
03:22:10,780 --> 03:22:14,980
of grace period where if you leave the parking lot within that amount of time, then you're

2092
03:22:14,980 --> 03:22:20,220
not charged for anything, the system takes care of it, it bills automatically, you can put

2093
03:22:20,220 --> 03:22:20,500
in.

2094
03:22:20,780 --> 03:22:26,920
So, we have that system identified, we haven't looked at like an implementation plan or installation

2095
03:22:26,920 --> 03:22:36,060
costs of that and we haven't collected updated real-time parking data, which is what we're

2096
03:22:36,060 --> 03:22:41,400
collecting to the best of our ability right now. There was some in the previous plan, there was

2097
03:22:41,400 --> 03:22:48,840
a calculation and some built on some assumptions of what a new parking lot would generate if a paid

2098
03:22:48,840 --> 03:22:55,020
model went in. I think we'd want to take a look at those assumptions and see how they match up with

2099
03:22:55,020 --> 03:23:01,100
But the data we've collected this summer, see if it was being overly optimistic, under

2100
03:23:03,460 --> 03:23:09,760
optimistic, and was the fee that we were looking at.

2101
03:23:10,580 --> 03:23:16,780
What we would actually want to charge, does $15 to deter someone from wanting to park

2102
03:23:16,780 --> 03:23:22,220
at Sandy Beach, whereas $5 would not deter someone from wanting to park at Sandy Beach.

2103
03:23:22,220 --> 03:23:27,520
and therefore the concerns about how do we handle rotary park parking and sandy beach parking.

2104
03:23:27,900 --> 03:23:35,140
You know what is that number where the convenience of parking close to sandy beach is worth the cost

2105
03:23:35,140 --> 03:23:41,980
that you're paying. So I think that conversation may have to take place and how conservative do we

2106
03:23:41,980 --> 03:23:48,680
want to be in our estimates. So yes you're correct. There has been work that's gone into it but

2107
03:23:48,680 --> 03:23:55,220
But some of it is dated now, and we're hoping to update it with some more current information.

2108
03:23:56,360 --> 03:24:03,260
Okay, so in terms of next steps then, I think I'm hearing two ways we could go.

2109
03:24:03,440 --> 03:24:14,560
One is, you know, have the staff draft a resolution for us to make a decision on whether we want to redevelop the level as a mobile home community or decommission it.

2110
03:24:14,560 --> 03:24:29,280
and iftee commission and seek alternative revenue sources or we could say we want to know more about the monetizing the parking and what that would generate before we make that decision.

2111
03:24:29,480 --> 03:24:42,600
I don't know if council members have a leaning one way or the other but do people feel like you need to have the parking lot information in order to make the first decision?

2112
03:24:42,600 --> 03:24:48,380
No, I think it's our responsibility with staff to figure out the money.

2113
03:24:49,380 --> 03:24:58,700
I think we should be desiring what it is for that aligns with our objectives as a city leadership team for our citizens and what we want for the park.

2114
03:24:58,940 --> 03:25:00,760
And we have to figure out the money.

2115
03:25:01,200 --> 03:25:05,880
So if we eliminate, yeah, if we eliminate, there are, I have ideas.

2116
03:25:05,880 --> 03:25:11,640
I just have to figure out how to and depends on which direction we go on how you would capitalize

2117
03:25:11,640 --> 03:25:17,820
on different ones. And I think parking is one of it could be camping. It could be, I mean,

2118
03:25:17,860 --> 03:25:22,040
there are other things. Right. Obviously staff has already thought of other ideas like the RV and

2119
03:25:22,040 --> 03:25:29,260
yeah, yeah. And the park sport has thought of other ideas as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I'm looking

2120
03:25:29,260 --> 03:25:30,900
at the time, so it's 10.25.

2121
03:25:32,340 --> 03:25:35,820
So maybe it would be good to wrap up this discussion for this evening.

2122
03:25:36,060 --> 03:25:42,000
So are we okay with asking staff to prepare a resolution for, I guess, the next council

2123
03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:51,300
meeting on whether the council wants to redevelop level B or decommission level B and seek alternative

2124
03:25:52,420 --> 03:25:53,640
revenue sources.

2125
03:25:55,440 --> 03:26:00,620
And then we'll continue to talk about the other items that we've addressed over time.

2126
03:26:00,980 --> 03:26:05,140
You know, this fall and into the winter and so forth is that solving a good game plan.

2127
03:26:06,000 --> 03:26:11,840
I'd like to brainstorm a little bit more than just the next two weeks, maybe September 1st.

2128
03:26:11,900 --> 03:26:14,260
Brainstorm, the choice on level being, you mean?

2129
03:26:14,620 --> 03:26:16,640
Yeah. Talk to, talk to citizens, things like that.

2130
03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:17,440
Okay.

2131
03:26:17,440 --> 03:26:25,240
figure out how that would how that if we decommission how would that be used and

2132
03:26:25,240 --> 03:26:29,960
go from there that's where I was kind of looking for outside help on was how

2133
03:26:29,960 --> 03:26:35,980
we could use that land oh okay and that's why I said maybe we should have a

2134
03:26:35,980 --> 03:26:41,960
separate meaning to discuss and strategize and really dig in to the minutia

2135
03:26:41,960 --> 03:26:49,600
Because if we're going to give guidance to the staff, I believe that we really need

2136
03:26:49,600 --> 03:26:53,220
to make sure that we are set in how we want to get it done.

2137
03:26:54,160 --> 03:26:55,640
And I guess I have the opposite feeling.

2138
03:26:55,920 --> 03:27:05,980
So in the sense of I think we need to make a decision about B level before spending much

2139
03:27:05,980 --> 03:27:09,460
time on what other things could we do with that land.

2140
03:27:09,460 --> 03:27:13,340
Because if we decide to redevelop it as a mobile home community then there's really no

2141
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:20,320
Then there's no sense spending time on what other park uses might what might we make of that area?

2142
03:27:21,360 --> 03:27:22,440
I agree with you

2143
03:27:25,980 --> 03:27:27,020
That's one option.

2144
03:27:29,980 --> 03:27:31,040
Well, I guess

2145
03:27:31,880 --> 03:27:35,500
What what direction can we give staff for tonight?

2146
03:27:38,690 --> 03:27:42,230
If you want to go that direction, I'd be okay with September 1st. Just

2147
03:27:42,230 --> 03:27:44,170
So I could have a little bit of time.

2148
03:27:44,330 --> 03:27:50,010
So the first, our first meeting in September, so basically for, not our, not our, not our

2149
03:27:50,010 --> 03:27:55,750
August meeting, but our first meeting in September, September 2nd, to have a resolution to make

2150
03:27:55,750 --> 03:28:01,990
a decision on level B. Okay. And then it's,

2151
03:28:04,060 --> 03:28:11,260
I guess, okay. So I mean, I think is that, is

2152
03:28:11,260 --> 03:28:12,720
or this agenda item for tonight?

2153
03:28:13,360 --> 03:28:17,680
People feel the time table fits with other deliverables

2154
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:19,060
that you have on your plate,

2155
03:28:19,560 --> 03:28:21,000
or did we just move you back two weeks

2156
03:28:21,000 --> 03:28:22,520
on something that you are desiring?

2157
03:28:26,320 --> 03:28:29,060
Well, the only thing that keeps getting bumped

2158
03:28:29,060 --> 03:28:33,880
is I owe Mr. Waters a redraft of chapter 594 on trees

2159
03:28:33,880 --> 03:28:38,160
that he submitted to staff that I have not put into the language

2160
03:28:38,160 --> 03:28:39,400
that we discussed with him.

2161
03:28:39,400 --> 03:28:46,060
And so I have not gotten to that yet, which I try to owe to him, I think, in the near future.

2162
03:28:46,980 --> 03:28:48,200
It's been a busy summer.

2163
03:28:50,840 --> 03:29:06,620
We have, I've been working with Mr. Kooch's has been in contact with me on some other items that I think have mostly wrapped up nicely and he'll be, I think talking with Ms. Curler about potential presentation of those and I'll be.

2164
03:29:07,920 --> 03:29:10,240
some resolutions and potential ordinances.

2165
03:29:12,420 --> 03:29:15,260
The resolution we can certainly have for September 2nd,

2166
03:29:15,360 --> 03:29:17,060
that's not going to be, that's not a lot of,

2167
03:29:17,220 --> 03:29:19,360
that's not very intensive for us to put together.

2168
03:29:19,600 --> 03:29:22,200
So that's not going to be, that's not going to be an issue.

2169
03:29:23,100 --> 03:29:26,660
That is this budget, we are shooting out the operating budget

2170
03:29:26,660 --> 03:29:35,780
presented at September 2nd, barring, you know, something that really sets us back internally.

2171
03:29:35,780 --> 03:29:43,500
So we're largely on track, there's some things that may,

2172
03:29:46,240 --> 03:29:49,060
there's obviously the readings

2173
03:29:49,060 --> 03:29:55,920
that you have before you that are on the agenda now and where those lead has different

2174
03:29:55,920 --> 03:29:59,960
conversations attached to it as far as the Madison Street Park.

2175
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,460
As well as the future land use map amendment. So we're gearing up for a long meeting on September

2176
03:30:07,460 --> 03:30:17,160
2nd, because it's good. Especially if we introduce the budget. So we can certainly get

2177
03:30:17,160 --> 03:30:25,500
that resolution put together by September 2nd. That's no problem. Chapter 594 may take

2178
03:30:25,500 --> 03:30:36,780
a little bit more time, and then the council have to decide as far as the direction is

2179
03:30:36,780 --> 03:30:44,800
for potential resolutions on options, I guess, on Milton Street as well as street design

2180
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:52,300
in general, those processes, which I think we're targeting here in the next couple of weeks

2181
03:30:52,300 --> 03:30:56,900
as long as it fits with the schedule and all of those items come together.

2182
03:30:57,260 --> 03:30:59,980
Do you say Milton Street or Prospect Street, I refer to?

2183
03:31:00,040 --> 03:31:07,600
The direction to Mr. Coots on developing potential discussion items for the council and potential referrals

2184
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:16,280
to public works board or changes in processes or consideration of options on Milton Street specifically

2185
03:31:16,280 --> 03:31:22,000
and street design generally, so that the council made that directive.

2186
03:31:22,000 --> 03:31:27,320
so we're still working on that, we'll make it happen.

2187
03:31:29,040 --> 03:31:34,380
The capital budget is scheduled to be presented to public works board next week, assuming that

2188
03:31:34,380 --> 03:31:35,620
they make their recommendations.

2189
03:31:35,660 --> 03:31:41,840
We then would be on pace for discussion with the city council at the second meeting in

2190
03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:51,760
August. So we have some big at ones coming up. I'm also anticipating not

2191
03:31:51,760 --> 03:31:59,900
imminently but an update on the wastewater treatment plant facility plan as

2192
03:31:59,900 --> 03:32:05,100
well as we get closer to submitting a facility plan to the Wisconsin DNR.

2193
03:32:05,100 --> 03:32:07,820
So we'll be busy.

2194
03:32:09,440 --> 03:32:18,480
Okay, so we've kind of led into agenda item 10, which is our future agenda items are if there's no objection.

2195
03:32:18,700 --> 03:32:23,920
I'll close discussion on the mobile home park redevelopment and

2196
03:32:23,920 --> 03:32:28,200
we've talked over pretty much about future agendas.

2197
03:32:28,400 --> 03:32:34,520
I think the only thing that we didn't specifically touch on would be discussing the park sports recommendations

2198
03:32:34,520 --> 03:32:40,840
locations for Sandy Beach Park and maybe once we make our decision on level B, then that would be a good time to pick that up.

2199
03:32:41,060 --> 03:32:42,440
Is that what people think?

2200
03:32:44,060 --> 03:32:48,240
Yeah, it will also coincide with the capital budget conversation.

2201
03:32:48,500 --> 03:32:55,620
There are some placeholder numbers in there that are going to have to change perhaps as decisions are made.

2202
03:32:56,260 --> 03:32:56,420
Okay.

2203
03:32:57,360 --> 03:33:00,020
Okay, so we'll keep that on the radar as well.

2204
03:33:02,040 --> 03:33:08,180
Okay, so any other announcements or future agenda items that come from members want to identify?

2205
03:33:10,720 --> 03:33:17,420
I think he stole your Thunder Greg that you're working on some things, and the other Greg's working on some things.

2206
03:33:17,980 --> 03:33:33,420
So I have a subject, I would be interested, I know we've had some E. coli issues, and I don't know if this is something we can push down to parks and or JRLC regarding just having a continued dialogue.

2207
03:33:33,420 --> 03:33:37,220
regarding root cause, or anything, any learnings based on,

2208
03:33:38,800 --> 03:33:43,160
you know, if we have our beach closed, and that's our ass down at Sandy Beach,

2209
03:33:43,240 --> 03:33:45,260
and Bartles, it's closed with your feet.

2210
03:33:46,740 --> 03:33:51,300
You know, and so I just think it's a conversation I think worth having on,

2211
03:33:51,400 --> 03:33:57,220
do we need to do further identification or understanding to make sure that when we

2212
03:33:57,220 --> 03:34:01,760
are talking about mitigating storm water runoff at Sandy Beach,

2213
03:34:01,760 --> 03:34:06,400
that we really understand what we're, or is it goose drop-ings or whatever that we really understand?

2214
03:34:06,740 --> 03:34:08,200
That what it was we're trying to solve.

2215
03:34:08,540 --> 03:34:16,320
I know that one of the city represented Shelley Quant on the joint employee community is particularly interested in that topic.

2216
03:34:16,320 --> 03:34:21,900
And I do think that that would be a good issue for them to dig into further, find out what the DNR regs are.

2217
03:34:22,100 --> 03:34:26,360
A fairy park on the town side also had a positive this year's beach closure.

2218
03:34:26,460 --> 03:34:28,460
So, I mean, it's not unique to the city.

2219
03:34:28,480 --> 03:34:31,240
It would be a good joint work late discussion, we might.

2220
03:34:31,240 --> 03:34:35,340
Yeah, I just didn't know I know I wasn't suggesting our agenda, but in agenda for them

2221
03:34:35,340 --> 03:34:42,300
I didn't know how to how do we pass like an interest because I think it would be important for us to understand and so how

2222
03:34:42,300 --> 03:34:45,760
Can we ask Eric how how many times it's been closed this year?

2223
03:34:46,340 --> 03:34:50,180
This is we had the first I mean the first red sign

2224
03:34:51,160 --> 03:34:55,800
Come on, July 31st. Yeah, just last week the first one. Yeah

2225
03:35:02,320 --> 03:35:09,420
We just had an advisory with the test results for today and the east side barnals posted for closed today as well.

2226
03:35:10,180 --> 03:35:16,720
So this prompts daily city testing until we get a clear test result under the thousand vehicle California units per milliliter.

2227
03:35:17,360 --> 03:35:19,160
So it's the same state request testing.

2228
03:35:20,680 --> 03:35:21,880
Second time.

2229
03:35:21,880 --> 03:35:29,420
No, this is the first round, but Sandy Beach West has been consistently closed since the 21st because we have not received a clear result.

2230
03:35:31,180 --> 03:35:41,240
Yeah, the 1st. I think it's the 1st. My apologies. Sorry, mixing them I did. Yeah, so it's been one week, my apologies.

2231
03:35:41,740 --> 03:35:46,500
So we have not received a clear test result yet with the daily retesting on Sandy Beach West.

2232
03:35:46,500 --> 03:35:51,540
I mean, I think he's a drinker. I can certainly pass along to the Joint Recallate Committee

2233
03:35:51,540 --> 03:35:57,520
that, you know, the council has noticed, you know, these closures and, you know, if

2234
03:35:57,520 --> 03:36:01,040
they want to look into it and give any recommendations or something, that would be great.

2235
03:36:01,360 --> 03:36:01,520
I know.

2236
03:36:01,800 --> 03:36:07,720
I think we could, we could, based on interest of the city council, I could talk with Eric

2237
03:36:07,720 --> 03:36:12,680
about putting together a presentation to joint rock lake on what our testing procedures

2238
03:36:12,680 --> 03:36:20,940
are what our beach closer system is, potential options that, you know, comparative information

2239
03:36:20,940 --> 03:36:26,660
to how other lakes test their points of entry into the water at beaches, where we stand

2240
03:36:26,660 --> 03:36:32,720
as far as our testing frequency versus other testing frequencies, and then if we wanted

2241
03:36:32,720 --> 03:36:39,240
additional information, what that would entail to obtain, I think we can talk with Eric

2242
03:36:40,960 --> 03:36:45,100
We discussed that we would pass the motion on that like two to three years ago.

2243
03:36:46,220 --> 03:36:50,860
There's state requirements or basically state standard protocols for signage and posting

2244
03:36:50,860 --> 03:36:51,440
and testing.

2245
03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:56,980
That's what develops your closure thresholds versus your advisory thresholds.

2246
03:36:57,140 --> 03:37:02,020
We adopted those state same standard language and posting protocols.

2247
03:37:03,740 --> 03:37:07,040
I think that was 23 or 22 years ago.

2248
03:37:09,320 --> 03:37:20,100
I think we all work with Eric and then he can talk with the chair of Joint Rock Lake and figure out a good time to provide a presentation and then Joint Rock Lake can kind of discuss.

2249
03:37:22,860 --> 03:37:28,060
There may be a point where you may want to avoid involved parks for it.

2250
03:37:28,060 --> 03:37:31,400
I'm just kind of a crossing of beach,

2251
03:37:31,400 --> 03:37:33,780
beach-verse water thing there.

2252
03:37:34,080 --> 03:37:36,200
So but we'll start, I'll talk with Eric

2253
03:37:36,200 --> 03:37:37,740
and we'll start at Joint Rock Lake

2254
03:37:37,740 --> 03:37:41,280
and give some informational material and go from there.

2255
03:37:41,720 --> 03:37:42,760
Okay, thank you.

2256
03:37:43,020 --> 03:37:43,340
Thank you.

2257
03:37:44,360 --> 03:37:47,440
All right, here ain't nothing further.

2258
03:37:47,800 --> 03:37:49,520
I will call this meeting adjourned.

2259
03:37:49,600 --> 03:37:52,640
Thank you everyone for staying late.