[0:05] I'll turn it over to you, Ian.
>> All right.
[0:08] Um
well, we have open mic for the Urban
[0:10] Forest meeting number three of the Urban
Forest Task Force.
[0:14] Um
I don't know I don't I don't know that
[0:16] we need to do a necessary round of
introductions, but I recognize Anne
[0:19] Penick's online
and Eleanor Garrett, Karen
[0:24] Bolster, and Melissa.
>> She's Melissa Buckingham with the D and
[0:30] Sorry, with Pierce Conservation
District.
[0:32] » Okay, excellent. Right. Um introductions
Melissa was here in person last time,
[0:36] right?
>> Right. Right. She just couldn't make it
[0:38] today in person.
>> Right. And then And then in the room we
[0:41] have
Good
[0:42] morning,
Sam and Charlotte Rogers.
[0:45] » I'm Martin.
[0:48] » Christina.
>> Same on Christina, Department of Natural
[0:51] Resources.
>> Same on Christina.
[0:54] » Same on Christina.
>> Same. Same.
[0:56] » And Christina Falco.
>> Uh-huh.
[0:59] » Well,
>> Uh Janet Erving.
[1:01] » I'm Mark Erving. Yes, I'm Mark Erving
with the Planning Commission.
[1:04] » Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. And then we have Ian down
[1:07] here.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm with the parks.
[1:09] » I'm with the parks department.
>> Same on.
[1:10] » Same.
>> I'm not here because of
[1:12] » I don't know if that's an Urban Forest
>> Are you Urban Forest or your background?
[1:16] » I'm with the parks.
>> Sweet. Okay, there you go.
[1:19] » Certainly do.
>> I'm conditions to be here.
[1:21] » City Council Yeah, exactly. The City
Council said you were welcome to join
[1:24] Task Force and you said,
>> Yes.
[1:26] » Yes. Appreciate your engagement.
It's okay.
[1:29] All right. So, um
let's see if I take it one step at a
[1:33] time here. Um
yeah, so, you know, just as a reminder a
[1:37] couple of reminder slides of where we're
at here. We're way down in the bottom
[1:40] corner of this slide.
Um
[1:46] Uh
we're working on the Urban Forest
[1:48] Management Plan as part of the
various
[1:52] Natural Environment Climate Change Task
Force, the NAT Task Forces.
[1:57] Um we're going to be drafting this plan.
We as the resource group are going to be
[2:01] drafting a plan
that's going to be edited and and
[2:05] resolved through city to present to the
planning commission who are then going
[2:09] to
even suggest to advise city council and
[2:12] hopefully get city council approval on
it.
[2:16] Uh
our agenda for today is kind of similar
[2:19] to the last time. What we want to do is
go through again take take another deep
[2:22] dive at the indicators for for a
sustainable urban forest. Look at how
[2:27] the the the current state of the
of the city and and
[2:32] and community is. See if we can uncover
any new goals, objectives, objectives,
[2:37] or actions from this conversation and
then preview into the next meeting.
[2:43] So it
I put it in like a 30 30 20. I think you
[2:47] know, through the course of this
conversation we get really I'm just
[2:50] looking for that goals and objectives
feedback throughout the conversation.
[2:56] And certainly if you're online and and
you want me to slow down or ask a
[3:00] question,
please don't hesitate.
[3:03] Uh
this slide is similar slide you've seen
[3:05] before. This is this is our strategy for
navigating urban forest management plan
[3:09] development.
We had focused conversation on trees and
[3:13] natural areas last time. This time we're
going to take a look at the private
[3:16] properties and community stakeholders.
So you can see you know,
[3:20] as in the handout,
you know, we're going to look at all the
[3:24] different uh kind of categories of
stakeholders from the neighborhoods to
[3:28] the large institutional land owners,
real estate, yada yada, you know, down
[3:32] that list. And
the only reason I'm not going to read
[3:35] them off here as bullet points is
because this is exactly where we're
[3:37] headed.
Um
[3:40] So in in preparation for this meeting,
myself, my team, some early
[3:45] conversations with Karen and and
EXP,
[3:49] we
we
[3:51] we've drafted up we
we can analyze
[3:55] the city and community community
collaboration according to a bunch of
[4:00] indicators for sustainable urban forest.
Uh so you can see our our initial
[4:05] assessment gave gave a a low performance
level in all of these different
[4:09] categories. And that's not it's not
necessarily a detrimental thing or
[4:15] you know, it's it's
to me it's an opportunity, a space where
[4:19] the city can make improvements. And and
some of these categories may not even
[4:23] these are kind of a standard approach.
Some of these categories may not even
[4:26] readily well apply to the city.
Um I'm thinking of like the large land
[4:30] large institutional land owners. We'll
get into that. There may only be a few.
[4:35] Um you know, some cities we've worked
with and you know, they have they have a
[4:40] very large land owners in their in in
our very large
[4:44] um commercial property or industrial
complexes and things like that.
[4:49] Um we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll go into
that. Um but but suffice to say um
[4:53] I think we added in this little reminder
here that
[4:56] the city does cuz we we graded as low,
but the city does have a history of
[5:00] partnering with some volunteers and
organizations
[5:03] um to address park beautification and
invasive species removal and all of
[5:06] those other things. Um but they are they
are they are siloed
[5:10] um and and not necessarily handled in a
comprehensive way. And and this is this
[5:13] is what an urban forest management plan
sets to do is to bring bring alignment
[5:17] of all these different
little bits of effort that go on around
[5:21] the city and
and and kind of unify it in a
[5:24] comprehensive way.
Uh
[5:28] in in preparation for this, uh you know,
the city the city has done done research
[5:33] that so so
so last time we were we were leading
[5:36] into um
the natural the resource assessment work
[5:40] that was done. This time we're we're
going to like like a lot of the the
[5:43] notes that I've provided to you you got
folks here are referenced from um this
[5:48] establishing the roots of urban forestry
in the city of Washington.
[5:51] If you haven't read it, it's not
necessarily going to be critical to this
[5:54] meeting.
But what it does is it provides provides
[5:57] a
foundation that we're working with as a
[6:01] consultant. Say the city city's already
done a lot of research about what it
[6:05] what its limits are and what it needs to
do to set up a an urban forestry program
[6:10] through through this document that was
accepted by the city.
[6:14] And in it you'll see
you know they've got
[6:18] you know
really it's a
[6:20] kind of a similar perspective to that
that previous slide that I shared that
[6:24] you know you need to know what you have.
So you you see assess the resources. You
[6:28] look at your community to build some
lasting support and you and you work in
[6:32] you know the city to provide a lot of
the
[6:35] substantial leadership to sustain that
sustainable growth plan.
[6:40] » Is that available online?
>> Uh yeah yeah I think I I think it's even
[6:45] posted on the the neck
urban forestry resource. Certainly if
[6:50] it's if it's not it's not readily
available to you we'll we'll make sure
[6:53] to get it back to you this meeting.
[6:57] Uh so so taking a look at so so now
we're going to take a deep dive into
[7:01] each one of these different indicators
categories. And the first one I think is
[7:05] probably the most robust place to have a
conversation around would be you know
[7:10] neighborhood action. So
the standard the standard that we would
[7:14] like to to be trying to achieve is that
all the residents in all of Lakewood
[7:18] neighborhoods cooperate and participate
in urban forest management at the at the
[7:23] neighborhood level. And urban forestry
is a neighborhood scale issue. Now we've
[7:28] we've said that there's little or no
involvement right now as our current
[7:31] performance at a
current performance level. But you know
[7:35] what what could it be for the
to to become high performing where the
[7:41] majority of all neighborhoods are
organized, connected, and working
[7:44] towards a unified set of goals and
priorities.
[7:47] Uh
now I'm I'm inclined to just let that
[7:49] hang out there, but I but maybe you want
to see that is that a lot of communities
[7:54] uh um
they'll they'll maybe launch
[7:56] neighborhood stewardship programs
uh or other types of you know,
[7:59] leadership roles. Um and do any of you
have experiences with your own
[8:04] neighborhood or with any of you guys
have any
[8:05] » No,
I'm a lake So, we have a lake uh
[8:09] American Lake Improvement Club. So,
they're we're really focused on the
[8:12] water.
>> Okay.
[8:14] And and and I'm looking at that list
now, and American Lake is not
[8:18] necessarily on that list. Do you Do you
sit in one of those categories?
[8:21] » Tillicum the Tillicum
>> Um
[8:23] » Woodbrook?
>> Wood Tillicum. Okay, Tillicum is um and
[8:28] you can see American Lake. So, Lake
City. Let's go Let's say Lake City.
[8:31] That's my
>> Oh, okay.
[8:32] » That's my neighborhood. And the shores
of American Lake are there.
[8:35] » Yeah, okay. So, there's there's there's
even a even an additional association
[8:39] that's
>> Yeah, it's right.
[8:41] » working on issues around American Lake.
>> It definitely um is dealing with
[8:44] invasive species, you know, um
terrestrial and aquatic.
[8:48] » Right.
>> And um it has a lot to do with park use.
[8:51] The neighborhood has split the
neighborhood into
[8:54] um whether we wanted park, what kind of
park, um where parking is going to be,
[8:59] you know, so we're very involved in
that.
[9:01] » Okay. Okay. Um
>> Also, the rotary. I'm on the rotary
[9:06] improvement. So, that's uh we're doing
uh beautification
[9:10] in some cases. In one case, we're
planting a roundabout.
[9:14] So,
aware these people are at least I'm sure
[9:17] aware of
each of these associations.
[9:23] » And and And anybody else have
neighborhood experiences? Maybe
[9:28] you can speak up.
>> I'm in Tillicum.
[9:29] » So,
>> The the all of those associations, I've
[9:34] been to every single one of them.
They're all very active throughout the
[9:37] throughout the city and engaged.
Um you know, of course they're they're I
[9:41] wouldn't say hyper-focused focused on
issues that are unique to those
[9:45] particular neighborhoods, but I think
the overall feel in all of them is a a
[9:50] large sense of pride and and you know,
uh for the area that they represent and
[9:56] and wanting to be involved in how
the area is developed and moves forward.
[10:02] I think these are the same folks that
are coming out to city council meetings
[10:05] and are just engaged in in various, you
know, um method of methods.
[10:11] » Yeah.
So so the the down the bottom corner
[10:15] there you see the 2022 Tree Advisory
Committee uh did did did their homework
[10:20] and prioritized tree planting areas
based on uh you know, equity uh
[10:25] and access to urban forest canopy.
Um with uh you know, like like Lake City
[10:31] area, uh the downtown, Tillicum
Woodbrook, Custer, uh Fort Steilacoom.
[10:36] So um
uh
[10:39] you know, I I
in absence of any further direction from
[10:42] you folks, I would be, you know, writing
into the plan emphasis
[10:47] um emphasis to to cultivate, you
tree planting opportunities or tree care
[10:52] opportunities in in somewhere like Lake
City.
[10:56] Yeah.
>> Um I just want to point out that um the
[10:59] area that has the lowest tree cover
uh canopy cover is in the east and as
[11:05] you can see there's no neighborhood
association there.
[11:08] So it might be a nice idea like to start
something with the foundational idea
[11:13] being the trees. I'm so important to
that. Maybe that would be like uh you
[11:17] know, motivating
um
[11:20] impetus to them.
[11:24] » Once these hours actually you just
we've just completed the renovation of
[11:28] Wright's Lake Park up in the northeast
and there's a lot of volunteer action
[11:34] for
like getting rid of the invasive ivy,
[11:37] blackberries,
things like that.
[11:41] That could be a good access or a good
starting point for getting more
[11:45] volunteers. Um
I think it's an easy access point just
[11:48] having, you know, come and support your
park to be, you know, Right.
[11:52] do flashy
>> Right. That's That's where it's like
[11:55] park boards can find it.
And it really did renovate the
[11:58] neighborhood.
Made a huge big difference. And
[12:01] definitely the people are walking there
more.
[12:04] Um and the volunteers turned out
and want and want to do more work. So I
[12:08] don't know if you
>> Oh, yeah, and the the mountain bikers as
[12:11] well. There's a volunteer
group that keeps the mountain biking
[12:15] area about healthy.
>> And the geocachers, I think, were
[12:18] similar group.
So
[12:21] everybody who's in the woods has to
geocache.
[12:24] » Yeah, I think if you can get people to,
you know, from the neighborhood to
[12:27] start, you know, helping at works like
park,
[12:30] » Right.
>> spread through, you know, more of the
[12:33] neighborhood.
>> Well, and what often happens is this is
[12:36] is so
you know, the city wants to plant more
[12:39] trees, at least in the public areas, you
know, actually on private property as
[12:43] well. There's two different types of,
you know, what avenues to grow the grow
[12:46] the urban forest. And
the the the
[12:52] you know, the the the neighborhood may
be the source of volunteers to get those
[12:56] trees in the ground or to help identify,
you know, what trees they want. And if
[13:01] they they, you know, but it but it does
require some leadership from the city.
[13:04] So,
um
[13:06] uh
you know, I I it's
[13:10] Again, I think that that sounds like,
you know, the the
[13:13] bigger actions and objectives out of
this would be to to create some projects
[13:19] within these
um within these communities. Maybe it's
[13:24] um um
I mean, I I don't I don't I
[13:29] I don't know here to say how I should
have prioritized which one of these
[13:32] communities, you know, to put put the
effort into. Um but maybe that's why
[13:37] that's why we wrote it up as an as more
of an objective rather than than an
[13:41] immediate action cuz it's not really a
low-hanging fruit that I'm hearing,
[13:45] right? Like a like a an easy opportunity
might be like you know, um
[13:50] we have an individual in this
neighborhood who's really excited and
[13:54] wants to plant 50 trees that have
already talked to me about it. And uh
[13:57] they're just looking for they're looking
for funding and support. That would be
[14:00] an easy action and
move forward. I'm not necessarily
[14:03] hearing that, but we want to cultivate
to you know, those kinds of people,
[14:06] right? So
So So
[14:10] or both in the wires.
[14:16] So maybe uh an objective might be um
[14:22] infiltrating
[14:26] urban forestry
[14:32] at neighborhood level.
[14:38] Does the The city can tell tell the
neighborhood hey, we know
[14:42] you know, there's space for trees here.
We want to get them in the ground, you
[14:46] know, what we can offer and and there's
vehicles for private property tree
[14:49] giveaways.
Um but you know, you don't plant a tree
[14:52] in someone's front yard and they don't
want it. You you you you wind up
[14:56] battling right there right then and
there, you know, the same plant a street
[14:59] tree and you have
an an adjacent owner uh you know, has to
[15:03] assume some maintenance care
responsibility. So you know, you also
[15:06] need some education outreach, right?
And I think you know, that that that can
[15:11] be like the short-term actions making
sure that you know, cities cities'
[15:14] websites
um and
[15:17] informational resources lend itself to
saying look, you need to plant a tree,
[15:21] we want you to help keep the tree.
Anybody
[15:27] » I also think it'd be really helpful if
there was
[15:30] a plan.
Um I just think about what happened in
[15:35] or Silicon Forest.
Uh just I think I mentioned this before,
[15:40] but when the when the Saxon burned,
suddenly there were people with all
[15:44] kinds of plans. I want to plant a tree.
I've planted a tree. I want you to have
[15:49] goats. And
after after you know, there was no
[15:53] integrated plan. All these volunteers
were coming out, but no
[15:56] like well, we can use them here and
here. And so trees got planted and they
[16:01] died because nobody watered them. There
wasn't any way
[16:04] management. And what I said is is there
a city volunteer coordinator? I mean
[16:09] would it would it be a big ask to to say
say and is there an existing volunteer
[16:13] coordinator at the city that we could
start you know, leveraging in this plan
[16:17] or is that something that would need to
be hired?
[16:20] » Uh no, there's a person on staff whose
initial responsibility was with our
[16:23] neighborhood associations, but he's also
taking on a new role where they are kind
[16:28] of refining how volunteers are brought
in, trained, and then turned loose on
[16:34] whatever projects that he'll also be
responsible for.
[16:37] » Okay.
>> So it would be just Chris. You know,
[16:38] it'd be really good.
>> Yeah.
[16:40] » Yeah, so so so it's it's strengthening
What do you say like strengthening the
[16:44] capabilities of the
>> Yeah.
[16:45] » Yeah. Yeah.
[16:50] » But I I really feel this community has a
lot of volunteer spirit. I thought of
[16:55] people that are used to serving in the
military for example and they're they're
[16:58] so active. They want to
pitch in. They want to take charge.
[17:03] We've got great leaders out there, but
we aren't able to really access that
[17:07] resource without a plan.
>> And and do you think so so
[17:12] perhaps creating that you know, if every
neighborhood association had someone at
[17:16] that meeting that represented us as a
neighborhood steward and was routinely
[17:19] paying attention to the opportunities
for trees.
[17:22] » Yeah.
[17:25] And it yeah, they were acknowledged as
such and given
[17:28] uh
some sort of
[17:31] job description.
>> And I I don't think that's kind of out
[17:36] there and you kind of touched on this
earlier. We do have
[17:39] a fair amount of community groups that
are service-oriented like Rotary that
[17:44] are thriving and actually have money to
spend on projects but they don't have
[17:49] pathways to engage with just yet. So, if
we provided that pathway
[17:53] I I think there there are places and
opportunities that exist currently where
[17:58] resources are available including
financial and manpower that just they
[18:03] just need to be given a direction and
and some guidance.
[18:07] Um and I think they're they're more than
ready and willing to step up
[18:11] in in that capacity.
>> Great pathways for
[18:15] under-engagement, local local funder
engagement. I mean I think cuz we're
[18:19] going to talk about that
under-engagement
[18:22] at
at the regional level as well.
[18:27] Yeah, that's that's definitely something
that we want to take advantage of there
[18:31] and then it could be as much as as
simple as Home Depot saying there's a
[18:34] you know, they want they want to you
know, help sponsor a program and maybe
[18:39] they're providing trees for planting
project in the in the in Goodwill
[18:43] District.
>> It would be nice to also have like a a
[18:46] showcase piece. Like we're going to
restore this and we're going to direct
[18:51] everybody's attention to that.
And I'm thinking about um Phil's uh
[18:56] Phil's Urban Farm.
The
[18:58] used to be game farm.
>> The old uh
[19:01] » Oh, South
South Central, yeah. So, that
[19:05] that is a focal point and it's it draws
attraction and it also it funding
[19:10] itself. Like people who want to apply
for grants for that.
[19:13] Um it's it becomes come and see what we
have done.
[19:20] Or maybe you want to pick a
[19:23] » You should pick a location for your
examples
[19:27] of urban forest and
UDF
[19:30] best practices.
>> Yeah.
[19:32] » You don't want to live across the street
from where they paved them.
[19:36] » Well,
it's starting You got to start
[19:38] somewhere.
>> Yeah, that that was
[19:40] » That's what That's where the city cut
down about 12 years ago for a sidewalk.
[19:44] They're very large so
>> Okay.
[19:46] » We have to learn to cut them.
>> Yeah, yeah, right, right. Um
[19:51] I I mean I think you know our our very
first meeting Dan and you were talking
[19:54] about like a like a lot of cities will
establish some sort of arboretum an
[19:58] example of trees that will grow well in
the city. So that could be that could be
[20:01] formed part of that showcase.
>> Right.
[20:03] » Right? Um so you say what kind of trees
do I want to plant in my yard? You can
[20:06] go to that showcase location and you you
named one of
[20:10] » Spot? As in
uh you know a
[20:11] » Important Was Lake Worth Park?
>> Lake Worth Park is gone.
[20:15] » And it's Lake Worth State
Yeah.
[20:17] » Um yeah, but I mean
an arboretum arboretum would be very
[20:21] interesting.
>> Yeah.
[20:23] » Wold does could maybe be a partner in
that cuz they have gardens and credit
[20:28] gardens. They have incredible
but they might be interested or we can
[20:32] maybe interest them in
showing developing
[20:38] native
a native uh garden.
[20:40] » No, that was Lake Lake Wold.
>> Yes, W O L D.
[20:44] » Yeah, I've seen that.
[20:48] » Yeah, yeah.
[20:53] » Okay.
And I'm probably going to just fill this
[20:57] up with ideas. I mean
I wanted to see if I could keep them
[21:00] categorized but I don't think it would
be successful.
[21:02] » Case might be partnering with Dave
Ousley or Derek House. Derek House but
[21:06] um
His college environment
[21:10] He's got He's been having some great
restoration of Flood Creek.
[21:16] Um
but it's kind of small. Flood Creek goes
[21:20] all through like what it and it's
covered with weed canary grass and
[21:24] blackberries. You can barely see it most
of the time. But if that could be
[21:27] something that we could maybe
work on opening up and you know oak
[21:31] swallowtail islands.
>> I I I I I hear that and I think what
[21:35] what I was thinking about was more like
like a a spot that is is com- like a
[21:39] common urban area for urban forest.
Right? So not not necessarily going into
[21:45] into an an
you know an ecologically
[21:49] » Just so you see that we we cross Flood
Creek twice.
[21:52] » Okay.
>> And so
[21:54] if we thought that there was a way to
clear and see
[21:58] » Yeah. Okay.
>> something
[22:00] » Okay.
So so I I catch that. Is that Is that
[22:04] » And you can actually
we could yeah, we could actually just
[22:07] showcase his project.
You know.
[22:09] » I know.
>> Yeah, talk about him and what he's
[22:11] doing.
>> All right. And that might that that
[22:13] might even be a short-term action to
just to say and make some modifications
[22:16] to the city's website next year. So I'll
follow like that. Yeah.
[22:21] » So what do you think? I was going to say
before I mean it's nice to bring some of
[22:24] the planting and the trees and stuff.
But I think before that I think
[22:28] the
care of the trees has to be sorted out
[22:32] like who's going to water all this
stuff?
[22:34] » Right. Neighborhood stewards.
You might have a set of a neighborhood
[22:38] steward program.
>> And they don't have to go like driving
[22:41] around and water
>> Perhaps or or like the city the city
[22:44] will get you know we can get to a point
maybe where the city has has funds for a
[22:49] watering program to you know to to
contribute to this project. So the
[22:54] neighborhood galvanizes for a day,
plants 50 trees there, everybody takes
[22:58] home and takes home a little note about
the tree that's in their front yard
[23:01] that's got plans what they should do,
and if they're not capable of watering
[23:04] it, that's where the city might be able
to step in and say, "You know, we'll
[23:07] organize them in in a different way to
say, okay, you know, it's we planted a
[23:11] tree in your front yard, you're going to
keep an eye on it, but we're going to
[23:14] come by, we've got water bags, and we're
going to water and prune and and and set
[23:18] up a program to to make sure the trees
stay."
[23:21] » So, it doesn't come out like what Linda
was saying, like that, you know, like
[23:25] people randomly do something and then
like they die or something.
[23:27] » Right, right. You get You get real
excited to plant a memorial tree, you
[23:31] you do it you do it middle style, you
throw it in the park, and you you you
[23:35] you
wish it well, and then you recognize
[23:37] that the city doesn't have any schedule
to take care of your trees.
[23:42] And cuz they need a lot of care, so.
>> The second thing was an idea, I mean, it
[23:47] maybe it would be nice because it's
right next to city hall,
[23:51] and easy to keep an eye on, and it would
be would improve it really a lot, and
[23:57] it's new.
So, it'd be like a new site. Is that
[24:00] apartment complex over there?
They're going to need a lot of trees, so
[24:05] maybe like
plant some of the trees there and have
[24:07] those people involved, and you know,
it's like
[24:10] very close to city hall, and I think
it's fair that city at least was looking
[24:14] forward to have
um all those new apartments, so so it'd
[24:18] be a nice way to engage and get them
involved.
[24:20] It'd be really a good site, too, right?
Cuz they're making those new apartments
[24:23] there.
>> That That was a good way to segue if we
[24:27] keep if we to go to the next slide,
which is your large private
[24:31] institutional land owners. I mean,
that's that's kind of they they they may
[24:34] not be qualified as the as the large as
you're describing, but it's certainly a
[24:38] high-profile opportunity to make a
showcase with the right partnership and
[24:42] the right alignment of effort.
>> This is also the shopping center.
[24:45] Shopping center is the apartment
complex, and
[24:49] I guess the street is a
>> I think it I think they don't even have
[24:51] a parking lot. If you're going to put it
in a parking lot,
[24:54] we could do this.
>> We could
[24:57] » you know, just
>> Well,
[24:59] » I don't think it can require that, but
here you can probably a lot of parking
[25:02] spot. What are you going to do on the
site? Are you going to be planning where
[25:06] are you going to push your your trees in
the park? How are you going to pick
[25:09] that? Are you going to be, you know,
just out of that in the natural plan?
[25:12] What are you going to be?
>> Yeah, so part of
[25:15] any permit that comes in, and Mr. Good
speak more eloquently on this, but
[25:20] there are significant planning
considerations for anybody putting in
[25:25] a building permit or a business license
application that includes traffic impact
[25:29] plan, parking plan,
um,
[25:32] uh,
removal or addition of trees, that's all
[25:36] considered when they put those initial
planning requests in.
[25:40] But, as far as what can or can't be
required, that'd be a great question for
[25:43] Mr. Good.
>> Yeah, I mean, there's code requirements
[25:46] and then there's policy as well that
talk about landscaping vegetation,
[25:50] um, requirements and then things that
are encouraged or discouraged. And so,
[25:55] if you're going down the path of this
should happen in parking lots or this
[25:59] should happen in, um,
project review and approvals, that would
[26:03] be recommendations that could come
through the urban forest management plan
[26:07] for the city to take a look at as
potential code amendments.
[26:10] » Right. Right.
[26:14] I'll put that in over here as the bigger
things, codes,
[26:17] amendments.
[26:22] » Or maybe better
Last time and last time I think we were
[26:26] saying about the parking lots that we
could see through the window, that would
[26:29] be increased costs, right?
[26:33] Really good point.
>> But, maybe we could help these trees, so
[26:36] the trees, so ones that are dying in the
parks.
[26:42] » Um, okay, so so the so the the the this
the second second category here is, uh,
[26:47] that large and large and private
institutional land owners brace CY goals
[26:51] and objectives through targeted resource
management plans.
[26:55] Um and in some case like I was thinking
there's the the the hospital
[26:59] the West the Western
>> Western State
[27:01] » Western State
>> Right. You know, that's the
[27:04] the largest hospital in in Washington or
something like that.
[27:10] » There's only two state mental health
ones up in Eastern and Western.
[27:13] » Yeah, exactly. So it's so and I don't I
haven't looked up what how many acres
[27:16] they have, but if we kind of frame them
as a maybe an example of an institution
[27:20] that you know, no you know, if you went
to that institution and and they they
[27:23] know that you know, tree or if they
don't, they can certainly be
[27:28] taught through research that trees
benefit people's human mental health.
[27:32] And you know, and and you know, that can
be a showcasing opportunity. Um it can
[27:36] also be a place you want to stay away
from. If they have this if if they if
[27:40] the if the institution has a a 50-year
vision of building out an extra building
[27:46] in the footprint of of a handful of
Garry oaks that we would want I'm sure
[27:50] we could could we not have that
conversation and you know, have have
[27:54] help have the city kind of engage with
that, you know,
[27:58] » They did call a gigantic building
project down there. I think they managed
[28:02] to not cut down too many trees.
>> Right. Right. Like they're on board with
[28:07] the idea of building something that
preserves some of the character of the
[28:11] city, you know, and some some companies
some
[28:15] industries aren't necessarily
into that, you know, they just want to
[28:20] get that space and and
acquire the property, cut down the
[28:24] trees, build things build build
>> Anecdotally, I I think
[28:28] I think uh since you're mentioning them
specifically and they do have a rather
[28:32] large project going on over there right
now, it is worth mentioning. I think
[28:35] they've been a a
a responsible partner in this area and
[28:38] and
and uh in the development of that
[28:41] project and the execution, certainly I
think they've given precedence and and I
[28:46] have a desire to
uh move forward in a way that makes
[28:49] sense to the ecology of of the area.
>> Mhm.
[28:52] » See, and I I think I think it's like
when I write down the we know in in the
[28:56] plan we want to recognize the recognize
some of these entities as being
[29:02] important to the to the city, important
partners to the city.
[29:05] I'm going to just say I'm going to just
recognize them.
[29:18] I mean
and that might be like like like I could
[29:22] see us in the in the in in the UFMP
recognizing how much can be cuz we have
[29:26] that information. How much can be in
that large parcel? So we've got the
[29:29] hospital, you know, and and so we could
say the hospital has this much and and
[29:34] and are there
I thought I saw that there are parks in
[29:37] the city that aren't necessarily city
managed parks.
[29:40] » Um there's several privately Yeah.
>> Um I mean is it I guess I could work
[29:45] with you Tiffany to to firm up a whole
list.
[29:48] » Sure.
>> Does it belong to the city?
[29:51] » Is that county or like the
>> Yes, it's city.
[29:54] » Which one?
>> Cedar Lake.
[29:56] » Oh, yeah.
>> It's city.
[30:00] » What was that What was that one,
Christina?
[30:02] » Cedar Lake belongs to Cedar Lake.
>> S E
[30:06] F Y
>> You got it.
[30:12] » Okay.
Um Tiffany, do you do you recall if the
[30:16] if if the facet assessment looked at
non-city properties? I thought I think
[30:21] it I thought it only looked
>> It was the public right-of-way, but it
[30:24] was also large parcels that were owned
by like the school district. Yeah. It
[30:29] did look at Western State Hospital, St.
Clare Hospital, and the school district.
[30:33] Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. So we will definitely re-tap
[30:36] that.
Um
[30:38] you know, other than that, I mean I I I
I don't know if they like like to be to
[30:44] to have a high high function
relationship with the large land owners
[30:47] land owners. You might have clear and
concise goals that are established for
[30:51] large land owners
through direct education and assistance
[30:55] programs and key land owners and
institutions have management plans in
[30:59] place. So like they in the long run
maybe West View Hospital has a 20-year
[31:04] urban forest management plan for their
property, all right?
[31:08] So
Well, I
[31:12] don't know if that's up here, but that's
you know, that that would be the the
[31:15] aspiration in the long run.
Um
[31:19] We go We go to the next slide. How are
we doing on time? Okay.
[31:23] Um we might might have to might have to
speed things along
[31:27] just a little bit just to just to hit on
each one of these topics, but we'll
[31:30] we'll see.
Uh green industry involvement. So So
[31:33] this category is where the green
industry works with the city citywide
[31:38] urban forest goals and objectives. And
the city and its partners capitalize on
[31:44] local green industry expertise and
innovation. So
[31:46] » Can I stop you right there? Yeah.
Coming from the housing background that
[31:50] I have, green industry means something
different than I think the way you're
[31:53] using it. So can you define that,
please?
[31:55] » Oh, sure. Okay. So So these could be
like like like the chosen slide here.
[32:00] The green industry would be like the
people that are doing tree work
[32:04] with landscapers, tree workers, you
know,
[32:06] cuz cuz you could have you could have a
really robust program that trees, but
[32:10] there might be a culture of poor pruning
practices out there that that you would
[32:14] want to try to
make effective change on.
[32:18] I I you know, I remember working with
Renton and they had issues with you
[32:23] know, the the all the car auto lots want
to be able to make sure everybody can
[32:28] see their cars. So they every year will
pollard their trees down to down to the
[32:32] stubs, which is a very poor practice.
Doesn't lead to can't be and it's and
[32:37] and it's arguably not very effective and
expensive for them, but the landscapers
[32:41] that are doing the work are still
saying, "Oh, well, if you're paying me,
[32:43] I'll cut it however you want me to cut
it." So, there's education that the city
[32:47] can bring to the table on both fronts.
And and then in terms of other green
[32:52] industry,
you know, it could be the nurseries and
[32:54] the hardware stores that are selling the
trees.
[32:57] You know, if the if they have a
the city has a preferred list and you're
[33:01] communicating with that, they might you
can start getting you know, positions in
[33:05] place to get the trees that you want to
have in the city available. Cuz that's
[33:09] I've seen that happen, too, that you
know,
[33:11] the desirable trees just aren't even
being grown or they're they're you don't
[33:15] have to order them 2 years in advance or
3 years in advance.
[33:18] » Um
>> Two ball ball trees.
[33:21] » I also when I saw green industry, I was
thinking the same as you, spirit. Like
[33:26] » Well,
>> The term green industry also was I I was
[33:29] confused what you meant by that
originally.
[33:31] » Oh, okay.
>> So, so I I would also think that it
[33:34] would be better just to call tree
industry something.
[33:37] » Tree industry, yeah. Okay. Okay.
>> Cuz it doesn't it has a different
[33:40] meaning.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[33:42] I just thought
[33:46] » Yeah, you have a lot of opportunities
um
[33:50] for like
cross disciplinary training
[33:54] amongst like city staff you know, and
also with like any contractor tree
[33:58] workers and non-contracted nurseries.
Um even like going all the way down to
[34:03] the homeowners and some of the companies
like
[34:06] making sure that everyone's on the same
page on like strategies cuz it's like no
[34:10] talking is put in the city code. So,
like that's that's pretty clear off the
[34:14] bat like that's like a goal, but how you
communicate that and how you like
[34:19] about that.
And your your industry workers I think
[34:22] it's
is an objective or a goal or even an
[34:25] action actually like, you know, provide
like training opportunities for staff
[34:30] and contracted tree care workers. Make
sure everyone's on the same page. Even
[34:36] something about uh
going a little bit more into what the
[34:40] current tree policies and ordinances
look like to make sure that they know
[34:45] what they need to abide by, what what
boundaries are in place when they're
[34:49] working in Lakewood.
Yeah, cuz a lot of these companies are
[34:51] working across King and Pierce County.
And so, they don't really know who what
[34:56] city cares and which one doesn't.
>> Right. Right.
[34:59] » Okay, so.
>> Yeah.
[35:01] » What does the last one say? Local?
>> Local the local policies.
[35:05] » Local policies. Yeah. I was going to say
um I think
[35:08] uh
the first thing that has to be done uh
[35:12] after the training is training the city
with that.
[35:16] Because um
I I don't think that they necessarily
[35:20] also can judge well with what problem
pruning is. Like, I don't have that
[35:24] experience.
Once there was a um
[35:27] a
big very upset word about
[35:31] illegally and terribly, you know,
everything was cut off except for
[35:35] basically the trunk of the tree by Black
Angus. And when
[35:39] when I reported this to code
enforcement, you know, they went and
[35:43] they checked everything, but the deputy
city attorney, she told me that "Oh,
[35:49] that was just pruning, so that is not
you know, it's not code enforcement."
[35:53] So, I mean
we assume that people know what pruning
[35:56] is, but I think really there needs to be
somebody expert to interpret what
[36:00] exactly means.
>> And and and and we'll we'll we can come
[36:04] back to this slide, but you've done an
excellent job of getting us to the next
[36:07] slide, which is about city departments
and agencies cooperating. Yeah, yeah,
[36:11] yeah,
it's like it's like you read my mind and
[36:13] we're going to do that. This is the
direction we want to go in. And and
[36:16] we'll we we will spend a whole another
task force session talking about the
[36:21] city what we know about the city's
operations and the specific things the
[36:24] city could do to improve to improve. But
I mean, I I do see it, it's it's it's
[36:28] like the like the city staff can can
help the the the local tree workers by
[36:34] hosting hosting events and even
demonstrating to leadership, you know,
[36:37] what what what the right thing is to do.
Um
[36:42] You know, that I I I did want to float
out there with the the the with the
[36:46] green industry is that uh like the city
of Seattle established a a registry for
[36:52] um tree tree work in the city. And if
you're not on that registry, you're not
[36:55] approved. Like, if you if a a homeowner
sends in a permit application to remove
[36:59] to remove a tree, they can only choose
from the approved city city vendors. And
[37:04] and it's it
I don't know if there's appetite for
[37:07] that right away or if that's something
that they, you know, you think it might
[37:11] be reasonable to explore here, but I
always pitch that as it's similar to um
[37:16] how you need a license to be a
hairstylist. You know, there's health
[37:19] concerns there, so you want to have that
little like if you're not operating
[37:23] in a way that, you know, if contrary to
public health, you know, you're going to
[37:27] you're going to have your business shut
down. If you're not taking care of
[37:30] trees, following ISA best management
practices, you're probably not going to
[37:34] be able to operate business in the city.
And and that but that would be that
[37:38] would be a big step, you know, and
but they like that wouldn't be that
[37:41] wouldn't be as quick as [clears throat]
you necessarily
[37:44] » I don't know if that would be a big step
or not.
[37:46] Because when you do an RFP for something
like treating the lake, you've got to
[37:51] have
certain certificates and you have to
[37:54] have it show
>> If you want to register somewhere, you
[37:57] just, you know,
>> Yeah, so
[37:59] » Yeah, I mean, I think like they like to
get kicked off with the Seattle
[38:02] registry, you have to you have to be
doing
[38:06] doing breaking city code like actively
doing work tree work that is goes
[38:11] against city code, cutting down a tree
without a permit.
[38:13] » But, it wouldn't be hard for a city to
say, "We're going to hire you, but
[38:17] you've got to meet these standards." So,
you are
[38:20] » It I think the issue is when it's the
private property owners are also hiring
[38:24] folks.
>> And how would that be tracked? Yeah.
[38:26] Yeah.
>> I mean I'll I'll I maybe I won't put
[38:29] that one up here as a as an official
idea, but I but I it's certainly
[38:33] something I think is
is is a real Well, maybe it
[38:36] » So in Seattle, do the private property
owners have to follow the same
[38:40] or they can just hire whoever they want?
>> Well,
[38:43] they can they they can
So if I I think it is the way way it
[38:47] works is if they want to if they want to
do work on a on a tree in their front
[38:51] yard that's a city managed city city
owned tree or right-of-way tree, they
[38:57] have to they have to use um
um city approved registered contractors.
[39:03] I but I I I kind of think it's operates
for private properties, too. You're
[39:07] You're nodding your head.
Like I'm on that list and I know it's
[39:11] essential that it cuz you know, our
company can't do but as far as I
[39:15] understand, we can't do any work in the
city on the city work with them. Well,
[39:18] but I think even on private property,
too.
[39:21] That's true.
>> I think that the city doesn't can't
[39:25] can't control that if a private citizen
hires one of the companies to cut things
[39:29] off of their place. But the way, you
know, when they reach out and they're
[39:32] like, "Hey, we need someone to like
bring this tree. Can you recommend you
[39:35] send them this list?" Which you have
definitely a way to say yes. It could be
[39:39] that yes, but
certain right.
[39:43] standards of
of care so that the it retains a value
[39:48] their real estate value, you know. It's
something that
[39:51] » HOAs are controversial. I don't
know how many HOAs are more peaceful,
[39:55] but I think that would go over like what
I believe in for a lot of neighborhoods,
[39:59] to be honest.
Just from what we've seen.
[40:05] » Something like that on city business
license.
[40:09] Would that be I mean, if you if you
don't abide by city
[40:14] you know, guidelines about pruning or
whatever, then then they not have the
[40:18] city business license. in.
>> Remote.
[40:21] » Yeah.
>> No violations, so yeah.
[40:24] » And that's good right there. So I mean
there are there are there are mechanisms
[40:26] in place, but but then
you you know, you're you're a chainsaw
[40:30] operator with a pickup truck, you open
up your business license, that business
[40:33] license gets shuttered, you say, "Well,
I'll change my name and open up a new
[40:37] business." But I think that's I think
there's other ordinances like this.
[40:41] » If you had
If you did I mean
[40:44] I've done business
>> Once they get a violation.
[40:46] » Pretty useful.
Um you get repeat customers.
[40:50] Where it's kind of like, you know, we've
shut you down twice, we know who you
[40:53] are.
>> Yeah, right.
[40:54] » We're not getting
>> Okay, got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah,
[40:56] okay. Okay.
>> This This sounds like to me this is an
[41:00] education
thing that we're talking about primarily
[41:04] and
>> Of course that's fine and there are
[41:07] rules already you can take away people's
licenses if they're not operating within
[41:10] code.
>> Right. Right. Well, and and but
[41:14] » But we want to take this to the
education side, which is
[41:18] whether it's HOA or whatever it is, but
getting in front of the people and
[41:22] spreading the word out about here's the
proper ways to maintain trees.
[41:26] » Right. And all of that. So they This
seems like two completely different ads.
[41:31] Yeah, I call I call them carrots and
sticks.
[41:33] » Yeah, but it seems I mean I would assume
that we have sticks already, right?
[41:36] » Yeah.
>> Cut trees illegally and it's a business
[41:39] dealing with it. They can shut
>> Right.
[41:41] » Right.
>> Right. So so through this UFMP process
[41:44] we may identify some nuances for that
that that that you know, might might
[41:49] might improve it or it might just like
like a like a
[41:53] simple action for the city might be just
to make sure that if they contract out,
[41:57] they have to abide by all these, you
know, if they have ISA certified
[42:01] arborists or some staff that they're
honoring city code and and
[42:06] I'm not sure on that.
>> The other thing to always remember in in
[42:09] Lakewood is we don't own any of our
utilities other than storm water. So,
[42:13] anytime you see people out cutting along
the right-of-way for utility purposes,
[42:18] it's likely hired by Puget Sound Energy,
Tacoma Power, or Lake Whatcom Light and
[42:22] Power. So, it's a matter of one more
layer of trying to get the message out
[42:26] to the utilities as well.
>> Well,
[42:29] that's not Well, that's not quite the
next slide, but we are going to We're
[42:33] going to touch on that utility
cooperation relationship. And that And
[42:36] then And then that's exactly like I
think of I I think of
[42:40] experiences with Mercer Island where
they they said that the utilities, if
[42:44] you guys want to remove any trees,
you're going to have to plant three
[42:47] trees. Um
I I will We'll We'll get We'll We'll get
[42:51] over to the utilities here in a
probably the next 10 minutes. Um
[42:56] cuz the next category was a what
cooperation and and partnerships, which
[43:00] kind of came in out of order, so Peter.
[43:04] This is
Explain it. And so the the the bottom
[43:07] It's the second page is the bottom and
then I think it was regional
[43:10] collaboration, Peter.
Um
[43:13] Cuz they you know So, this is where like
Zeman might have an opinion or or Anne.
[43:18] Um
you know, like like I I'm recognizing
[43:21] Washington DNR has ready grants
available. They're very encouraging of
[43:26] uh of
urban forest activities and and they
[43:28] have open grants for the city
um or we know they have a bunch of you
[43:33] know, 200 or so dead trees from the
inventory. Uh could potentially put
[43:37] together a grant package to get funding
to cut those trees down and plant them.
[43:43] » I saw you in the meeting yesterday.
>> Okay. So, I was there. Okay.
[43:46] Okay. All right. So, like you know,
things are already happening.
[43:49] » And and on that topic, I brought up uh
training opportunities because we need
[43:53] also provide that for free. So, that's
another opportunity.
[43:56] » What kind of training?
>> Uh like tree pruning to planting to
[44:00] maintenance, basic urban forestry
principles.
[44:02] » And it's free?
>> It's free. Yeah. The only requirement is
[44:06] and that's why I mentioned like having
city staff are willing to is that
[44:09] there are members of the of like
publicly funded agencies being able to
[44:13] come. So, it could be like the tree care
workers and city staff. Um
[44:18] It's for yeah, get points on.
All right. You guys are seeing this
[44:22] partners. Yeah,
that's helpful. Yeah.
[44:25] There's WSU extension program that's
going to be helpful.
[44:30] Um yeah, Pierce County.
>> How many cities take advantage of that?
[44:33] » Oh, I would say we do like a training a
month.
[44:38] Across the state? A few more, but yeah.
And we do what we do and we don't. Like
[44:43] we would host it in Lakewood, but it
would be available to anyone that could
[44:46] get there. Wow, big news. Do you have a
residence?
[44:49] » Yeah. Again, another way that cultivates
regional partners
[44:53] » Right.
>> to to help keep everybody doing things
[44:58] to the same standards.
Yeah.
[45:01] » you.
>> I I think there should be an action
[45:03] plan. Let's do this right away. Let's
look into this.
[45:06] » Yeah.
>> Definitely. It's already available.
[45:09] » Okay. Well, yeah.
>> the city parks and open it up to anybody
[45:14] else is that by you?
>> Right. Right.
[45:17] » Um
Yeah. And and I know a lot of other like
[45:20] municipalities in King County. I'm
sorry. Pierce County. Will like have
[45:24] like joint contracts together that have
been really helpful. So, another
[45:29] opportunity like if you are looking for
to
[45:32] get a contract out there that's you
could have a contract in the city of
[45:36] Tacoma.
So, we have a lot of opportunities for
[45:39] regional collaboration, but
[45:43] » Is it typically the parks in the in
those municipalities that are
[45:48] under it for the
maintenance and municipalities?
[45:51] » Actually, it's it's a pretty wide range.
I would say like we always will have
[45:56] like planners,
um parks folks, and like public works.
[46:02] Public works tends to be our largest,
yeah.
[46:05] » Yeah. Um, and and in terms of like I
often think about watersheds cuz they
[46:09] tend to extend beyond city borders. Is
that Is there Do you guys have any
[46:12] histories of conversations with the So
what watersheds?
[46:16] » Chambers Clover Creek.
>> Chambers cuz that extends to with with
[46:21] other just jurisdictions.
>> Yeah, it crosses borders.
[46:23] » Okay. So it's Chambers and
>> It's Chambers Clover Creek is the name.
[46:26] » There you go.
>> Which one?
[46:28] » Which Chambers Clover Creek Watershed
Council used to be
[46:31] » Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> And then just for my clarity that So it
[46:34] starts in like I'm visualizing the map.
>> Burk and Peterson
[46:38] » Peterson, yeah.
>> And it doesn't really have any It goes
[46:42] to Steilacoom
on one side and it goes out to
[46:45] Steilacoom about
that part to Tacoma.
[46:50] » So it's So it's a shared watershed with
Tacoma, I guess is what I'm fishing.
[46:54] » Yes, it's kind of
>> All right, so it's kind
[46:55] » Then it goes through University Place
and out.
[46:57] » Yeah.
Yeah.
[47:00] » Is that as well?
>> You plan
[47:02] » Chambers
>> Yes, straight leech feed.
[47:05] » I want to say there's one word that's
like 1%
[47:09] » Yeah. Yeah, Chambers Clover Creek is the
big one. Yeah.
[47:12] » Right.
>> Yeah, so there there may be nothing
[47:13] obvious out of this to to to the but but
if this that that's that's what we're
[47:18] we're looking in that category of
regional collaboration. Hey, you guys
[47:21] got a a stream that runs through your
town.
[47:24] Um, let's look up river and see see if
we're cooperating well to maintain
[47:28] quality.
>> We would definitely We do give small
[47:31] grants for projects.
>> Yes.
[47:33] » So that's definitely a part of
with this.
[47:37] » That the city funds.
>> The city We would go 360 degrees.
[47:42] » [laughter]
>> But I mean it goes for the projects
[47:45] Yeah. Yeah. One.
>> Yeah, too.
[47:48] Um
>> But I would definitely be interested in
[47:52] negotiating agreements.
>> The treats.
[47:54] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[47:55] » Pulling out water.
>> So the the So the Chambers Creek
[47:58] Watershed Collaborative list
>> Now, when is it also a Chambers
[48:04] Coalition that's a nonprofit?
>> Right. Yeah, my
[48:07] » And I think Chambers Creek was well
mentioned in the U Dub report, but as
[48:12] you know, kind of
[48:16] does not does not have it. Okay. Um
So, let's just take a look at the
[48:22] city cooperation, I think was
>> [snorts]
[48:24] » was another um
uh
[48:27] city departments cooperating. So, we we
put this slide together again. I think I
[48:31] think, you know, our next meeting's
really going to have more focus on the
[48:34] on on on how the city works, but um um
you know, the city departments and
[48:39] agencies to cooperate to advance
citywide urban forestry goals and
[48:42] objectives. Um
And you know, we we we answered this as
[48:47] low uh just because we we recognize, you
know, there's the planning department's
[48:51] working on the urban forest plan. The
parks department does their thing. The
[48:55] public works department does their
thing. Um a lot of I think I think what
[48:59] you're going to see in the plan is
probably just that recommendation of
[49:02] forming some sort of leadership team in
the city. Usually like I've heard it
[49:06] referred to as a green team, you know,
where it's like one person from each of
[49:09] these departments routinely meets to
look at urban forestry plan objectives
[49:13] and and what they're doing, how that
fits in with the plan. Um so, um so, I'm
[49:19] not I'm not
unless anybody has some some immediate
[49:22] thoughts on this, I'm going to I'm going
to
[49:24] move past that one.
>> Uh just one note uh Ian that planning
[49:28] and public works are all one department
now.
[49:30] » Okay.
>> So, um just for accuracy's sake. And um
[49:35] I am in that department and Ted is in
the parks department.
[49:40] And parks covers facilities and
operations.
[49:42] » All right.
>> [snorts]
[49:48] » All right. All right.
Uh
[49:52] So,
next slide was I we have different
[49:56] agency cooperation. So we
have mentioned Washington DNR. We've got
[50:00] We've got some recognition already that
there's
[50:03] recreation and conservation offices
that that work good um
[50:08] uh that that
Pierce Pierce County Pierce Pierce
[50:11] Conservation District um
and and these were identified in that
[50:16] EUDAP report as well and Washington
Department of Fish and Wildlife may
[50:20] provide some funding sources. Um
and and all
[50:25] all of these
outside groups and stakeholders have the
[50:28] potential to help the city if the city
knows what it's trying to do.
[50:33] All right. They may
>> Sorry. I'm
[50:36] » We got something good.
>> No, no, no.
[50:37] » Okay. Oh, yeah. You probably do anyway.
[50:41] » [laughter]
[50:47] » I'm just not to see Department of
Ecology on there.
[50:50] » Department of Ecology? Yeah. Yeah, okay.
>> Definitely missing.
[50:59] » Any examples of experiences with how the
Department of Ecology has worked with
[51:04] with other cities or
>> Yeah, they have like a Well, right now
[51:08] they're managing that the storm water
municipal permit. So Oh, yes. Yeah, so
[51:13] they have required urban forestry
requirements so something like that. So
[51:17] they do have their finger on the pulse
of urban forestry and they do have
[51:21] requirements across the state.
>> And to what
[51:26] » Should also have the Pierce County um
weed coordinator.
[51:31] We got kept Pierce County weed boards
with five commissioners funded with
[51:36] taxpayer dollars.
And they have a weed coordinator who can
[51:41] speak to all of the invasive species
means.
[51:47] » All right.
[51:49] Okay.
>> It
[51:52] was regional collaboration that is so so
we
[51:56] briefly touched on Pierce Conservation
District. There's Tacoma Tree
[52:00] Foundation. I believe that you guys have
had some taken some assistance from
[52:04] Tacoma Tree Foundation before, right?
>> And the Pierce Conservation District
[52:08] both. Yep.
>> So
[52:11] so that you know these can be resources
planning opportunities and again I think
[52:15] I think this all circles back to to to
the city just prioritizing and
[52:18] identifying projects that they can reach
out to with these organizations. Anybody
[52:26] here can comment on how the Nisqually
Indian Tribe has has engaged with the
[52:31] city in the past?
>> It's well, we have relationships with
[52:35] various people in the tribe leadership
and
[52:38] on staff for a variety of things, but in
terms of this specific effort we're
[52:43] waiting for their key climate person to
come back from vacation at the end of
[52:47] this month and then we're going to start
conversation.
[52:50] » Okay.
[52:55] It's two
as well yes sir.
[52:58] » One last thing on that last slide, the
the Tree Steward program wherever that
[53:04] may need to go.
Yes, they have a
[53:06] steward role that Tacoma Tree Foundation
has the Tree Steward
[53:11] program where they can training um
neighborhood
[53:16] captains essentially to steward tree
planting, education, and planting
[53:21] projects. So
>> Yeah.
[53:23] » That's a great
>> They have a model
[53:25] or
>> They have a model in place. Yeah, and
[53:27] it's a model developed by the Arbor Day
Foundation. So
[53:30] » Right. Right.
[53:34] Arbor Day
Foundation.
[53:38] Okay, well I don't expect anyone to read
this thing.
[53:40] » Yeah, that makes sense.
>> Thank you.
[53:43] Um
>> All right. So,
[53:46] yes. So, there's So, there's regional
collaboration powers and utility
[53:51] companies.
Certainly, yeah, some of those some of
[53:54] those actions that you might you might
engage with like we like we said it, you
[53:57] know, establishing maybe some
requirements
[54:00] you know, for them to to be able to
prune trees in the city that they they
[54:03] have operate some best practices as
provided by the city, but it can also be
[54:08] more than that to be looking at and they
can be a source for for trees for
[54:12] planting opportunities. Um you know,
whether it's you know, it might be it
[54:16] might be targeted outreach to like Lake
View Light and Power to say, "Okay,
[54:21] where where you know, overlay their
their utility infrastructure with
[54:25] existing tree canopy GIS that we have
and see where see what kind of trees are
[54:30] in conflict and then look at you know,
over 20 or 30 years optimizing
[54:35] so, you've got trees that are that are
low growing in the in the in the right
[54:39] of way
and then maybe they're removing
[54:42] you know, a a a
as an example maybe there's a large
[54:45] bigleaf maple that's been growing
underneath the power lines and has to be
[54:49] pruned every 2 years which is gas, it's
like all the all the environmental
[54:55] impacts of the action of having to prune
that tree routinely. Instead, take the
[54:59] tree out, put in
put in five trees there plus maybe five
[55:03] trees in another area to to help offset
offset the um
[55:08] the environmental impacts, you know, I
mean there's ways to to pitch it, but a
[55:13] lot of utilities do get on board and
partner with cities because they know in
[55:17] the long run it's good it's goodwill and
it's
[55:21] reduces the amount of liabilities that
they carry if they don't get to that
[55:25] tree in time and starts a fire, you
know, and then
[55:29] you know, and then just the act of
actions of having to routinely maintain
[55:32] the tree.
Um
[55:34] See that happen?
>> I think the one they have their own tree
[55:38] committee and they do
finally discussion was whether the
[55:43] utility should
talk to the fire department
[55:46] tree protection board.
And they don't. So, would it be possible
[55:52] to also make it a goal to have some old
changes to be put in place something
[55:58] uh
advise by the same utility board.
[56:03] Of course, I understand that if there
was an emergency,
[56:06] if it was a tree fall or something
or something else, that is
[56:11] with us having to really grow things to
carry out something like that.
[56:17] And I'm telling you if we don't
we'll change the city utilities and um
[56:24] offer a
[56:28] operate with city BMPs.
Right? So, the city says, "This is This
[56:33] is our This is our approved approach to
taking care of trees and the tree trees
[56:37] along our along these utility corridors
that you guys have an easement." It
[56:40] often is a it is a putting it out here
as a goal because it's a it's a it it
[56:44] may be a multi-year negotiation to to
work out, but you know,
[56:48] in absence of a plan, there's not any
that conversation may never even happen.
[56:54] Um
Yeah.
[56:57] Um think about there.
Um
[57:00] uh funder engagement. I think we we
touched on that a little bit. So, that's
[57:05] you know, um
again, this this is the idea that um uh
[57:10] you know, that that if we have um what
what you have I wanted to ask a little
[57:14] bit about the the tree fund that that
you guys have. Is it Is that that one
[57:20] that is that money is put into that fund
from developers, right?
[57:25] » Money is put in as uh from a couple
different sources. One is a fee in lieu.
[57:31] Another is civil penalties when there's
violations of code.
[57:34] » Mhm. Um
illegal tree removal or main or taking,
[57:39] you know, topping, that sort of thing.
And then, uh there's one other category
[57:44] that's escaping me, but in any event,
it's not a predictable source of
[57:48] funding. And so, while right now it's
got a a pretty healthy balance, there's
[57:52] no guarantee it's going to stay that way
over time. So, we had a project where
[57:56] there was, you know, hundreds of
thousands of dollars put in because of
[57:59] violations. That's not going to happen
every year that you can predict. Um but,
[58:04] that um is there and it is intended to
be a long-term standing resource for um
[58:10] at this point the urban forest program,
but perhaps other parks things as well.
[58:14] And so, it's a matter of um being really
clear in our budgeting when the city
[58:18] council takes it up, you know, how is
this fund going to be used?
[58:21] » Yeah, okay. Well, now and I was going to
ask that like how is the fund allowed is
[58:25] there restrictions on it? I know some
cities they it only leads to you can put
[58:29] trees in the ground, but you can't spend
it on anything else.
[58:32] » There is a list within our code that
says it can be used for these things,
[58:36] but we haven't gotten to the next step
of saying in the 2027-28 budget, it will
[58:40] be used for X, Y, and Z.
>> Okay, yeah. So, so maybe this may not
[58:44] wind up in the plan explicitly, but I'm
going to I want to make sure
[58:48] » Yeah, we are including some um line
items in this budget proposal that's
[58:52] going in front of council this fall,
um that's very vague because it's
[58:57] stemming from what you guys are doing
right now. It's the um NEC task force
[59:01] recommendations. So,
going forward in future budget items,
[59:05] it'll have to be more specific to start
with, but we're able to as a starting
[59:10] point say there's this much money for
NEC recommendations. We'll see if it
[59:15] stands.
[59:18] » There's a fundamental problem with the
money in the tree fund
[59:22] because
you said some of it comes from the best
[59:25] goals. The funds you put in the bill.
And
[59:28] for example, they called it a mitigation
fee for 114 trees. They also have a
[59:33] spray program.
So, they collected 400 something dollars
[59:36] as it was a mitigation fee. So, the
expectation is that it would be used to
[59:41] mitigate. But as far as I know, it
wasn't used to mitigate. And so, I think
[59:45] really if something's supposed to be
mitigated, it should be mitigated.
[59:50] » Like you've directly implied that the
funds that are collected should ideally
[59:56] be used on site.
>> I've seen it broken down to say
[59:59] » Not necessarily on site because you
know, it also needs to have an area
[1:00:02] that's
>> Sorry, yes. I was
[1:00:04] just going to say it's it will be
ranked. So, it'll be like first option,
[1:00:08] mitigate on site. Second option, if you
can't mitigate on site,
[1:00:12] within like the community. And then you
keep going down and then being like the
[1:00:16] fee. So,
So, there's yeah, there's options to
[1:00:20] to break that into the options.
>> Those priority habitats and you know,
[1:00:24] that was in that law.
So,
[1:00:27] that's it's in that law because it's
law.
[1:00:30] » Right.
>> They were average 1.7 inches.
[1:00:34] Which is then multiplied by 90 and
you're trying to get to 100 and 50
[1:00:37] inches. So, that that just doesn't it
cannot exist like that because that
[1:00:40] doesn't make any sense.
>> Right. Right. And then and then and and
[1:00:44] there are there are those instances,
right? Where they're they're paying into
[1:00:46] a mitigation fund, but if it's not
getting used, then it's
[1:00:51] like it's not actually mitigating. Like
trees aren't trees aren't getting
[1:00:55] planted or
>> But but somebody the city council
[1:00:59] meeting one of the
council members said, "Oh, there's this
[1:01:02] chunk of money you can use it to set up
the
[1:01:05] urban tree
urban forestry program."
[1:01:07] Which is not mitigation for the 1400s,
right? I mean, if you're buying
[1:01:12] a body or urban urban is not mitigation.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[1:01:17] Yeah. No, I I I think that's a fair
point and uh
[1:01:21] I know it it the old is it Emma? Yeah.
>> Sorry. I have to say
[1:01:24] » now.
>> I just want to add in terms of other
[1:01:28] funders there was a part of saying for
at least yesterday from the
[1:01:33] national urban and community forestry
program. So there are there is some
[1:01:37] funding opportunities on the national
level. Now we literally just got them
[1:01:40] yesterday so
>> So it was the
[1:01:42] the
urban department or
[1:01:44] » Yeah with the with the foresters youth
foresters.
[1:01:47] » Yeah they have a
national urban and community forestry
[1:01:49] program.
>> So is this committee eventually going to
[1:01:53] decide do we need to
recommend an urban forester to take on a
[1:01:58] lot of this work or are we going to say
this we're going to
[1:02:01] be existing staff or
>> I think you are. Yeah I think you're
[1:02:04] going to be recommending an urban
forester and we're going to have the CRG
[1:02:08] we're going to help articulate the value
and the rationale behind it.
[1:02:12] Uh but but right now right now that you
know if you pass this plan and you don't
[1:02:16] have any any person taking the lead role
in
[1:02:22] shepherding the plan or the the then it
will it goes nowhere.
[1:02:26] Unless you want to take on even more
work to right? You know that's that's
[1:02:30] often what happens is you get the plan
drafted and then then an existing
[1:02:34] employee has to has to shepherd it and
it it just becomes something on the pile
[1:02:38] with the other responsibilities.
So it's definitely something to watch
[1:02:42] out for. Um
yeah I'm I'm going to put this on here
[1:02:46] identifying shovel ready projects. I
think I mean I think that's going to be
[1:02:50] a key for the for the city and you know
a lot like like River City has already
[1:02:57] done a lot of the work they they know
you know what's going on with the with
[1:03:00] the the natural areas where they where
there's like they prioritize the issues
[1:03:04] in natural areas. They prioritize the
the street tree inventory. It's time to
[1:03:09] start doing something. They know where
these planting spaces so building the
[1:03:12] projects so that when the grant funds
like the same as presented you know come
[1:03:16] available it's very quick to say, "Okay,
we've got one here." Maybe there should
[1:03:20] be, you know, uh and then some sort of a
some sort of like a short-term action
[1:03:24] for the city in in the plan that we
identify and the the
[1:03:28] five or 10 eligible projects that that
all they need is the is the funding that
[1:03:32] we might
Wow.
[1:03:35] » I'm going to be timekeeper here. You got
15 minutes.
[1:03:37] » 15 minutes, okay. And I think I mean, I
think we're we're kind of going through
[1:03:40] the the the
um the slides pretty well here. Public
[1:03:45] awareness. So, this category was was
identified as that, you know, the
[1:03:49] general public understands the benefits
trees and advocates the role and
[1:03:53] importance of the urban forest. Um we
graded it as low just because of uh
[1:03:59] um the you know, the the the current
public perception surveys, um you know,
[1:04:04] was that was people were, you know,
concerned about urban forestry because
[1:04:08] of smoke from wildfires and excessive
heat. So, you know, urban heat island.
[1:04:12] Um and you know,
but hopefully, you know, I I believe
[1:04:16] that there's more.
There's more There's more value to trees
[1:04:19] than to it and and and if we want to get
into a high-performing relationship with
[1:04:23] the community, uh you want to have trees
seen as as valuable infrastructure and
[1:04:28] vital to community's well-being.
The urban forest should be recognized
[1:04:32] for the unique environmental, economic,
and social services it provides the
[1:04:35] city. So, this I mean, this comes back
to again just the value of the city
[1:04:38] providing some educational resources,
building up the neighborhood stewards,
[1:04:43] you know, creating creating that chorus
of voices um that that, you know,
[1:04:48] puts trees puts trees as as a as a as a
priority. So, you you know, say put the
[1:04:53] right trees in the right place. If that
that if that person who wants to plant a
[1:04:57] memorial tree comes to the city, they
should say, "Yeah, absolutely. We know
[1:05:01] exactly where to go. This person you
talk to. Here's the pro- you know, let
[1:05:05] us know what property. Sure that fits in
with our management plan by adding 50
[1:05:08] trees there." I keep looking at you cuz
you're not you're We've got eye contact
[1:05:11] and you're nodding.
I apologize. It's all right. Okay.
[1:05:14] They're all
>> [laughter]
[1:05:16] » So I just had a question for realtor.
Um
[1:05:21] I want to buy a lot see a home that's
been, you know, flipped or going to flip
[1:05:24] it. And it's it's those the house looks
beautiful. They haven't really put any
[1:05:29] trees in the trees grow pretty
[clears throat] easily here. And is that
[1:05:33] something that a realtor could
could
[1:05:37] » Yeah, we're talking with actually Pierce
County Conservation District
[1:05:41] Dana over there that runs that and
hopefully going to launch a program on
[1:05:46] you think about this fall but maybe by
this spring to get ahead of their nest.
[1:05:50] So you what's that every year that you
will plant a tree and
[1:05:53] not to get away with
>> Get away, yeah.
[1:05:55] » Yeah, um
we want to do a year-round program with
[1:05:58] them. So uh
I think they started a pilot which is
[1:06:02] like because you're aging
and go and buy you hey, here's a closing
[1:06:06] gift.
>> Right.
[1:06:08] » Buy you some trees and plant them
something like that. That's what we're
[1:06:10] trying to work with the local with them
to forestry foundation also
[1:06:14] on creating some stuff like that.
>> Yeah, cuz yeah, exactly like as an
[1:06:18] investor maybe I buy a home and do all
that remodel and flip it and it's just a
[1:06:22] matter of a right phone call to the
right person and that will also deliver
[1:06:25] a tree to the yard that will enhance the
landscape.
[1:06:27] » Yeah, that's also I mean you can
construct too. There's always
[1:06:30] opportunities to plant more of the
plants like but yeah, that's so that's
[1:06:33] the thing we're discussing right now.
>> Good.
[1:06:35] » Yeah.
>> Right.
[1:06:36] » Um we have a question online Ian. Look
at here.
[1:06:41] And
>> Hi, it's Melissa with Pierce
[1:06:42] Conservation District and I was just
wondering who was talking because I
[1:06:47] I manage all of our urban tree programs
and I'm not aware of the that program
[1:06:51] that you were describing. So I just want
to
[1:06:52] » No, I we're we're talking this is Shawn
Martin at the Realtor Association coming
[1:06:56] for scan of those are something that we
had Dana come in
[1:06:59] a few months ago through our
yeah, through our government affairs
[1:07:03] committee and so this is something that
we're
[1:07:07] ongoing discussion with her about, but
yeah, it's not officially done yet. Uh
[1:07:11] we're This is I think October is what
she said. They'd come back in October
[1:07:15] and let's
see if we can figure it out then.
[1:07:19] » Okay.
I might end up being in that meeting
[1:07:21] with you.
>> Yeah, no, it sounds like you should be.
[1:07:25] » Yeah, okay. [clears throat] Thank you.
Thanks, Alyssa.
[1:07:29] » Okay, so yeah, we're we're we're coming
down to the end of the meeting here and
[1:07:32] you know, I don't I don't have a hard
stop, but I know we
[1:07:35] you know, to be respectful of others'
time kind of kind of need to come to
[1:07:38] some sort of wrap.
Um
[1:07:41] Uh so
the the goals, objectives, and actions
[1:07:44] that you're seeing here on the screen,
um these these again this sort of come
[1:07:48] from me as kind of seeding seeding ideas
with you guys in absence of any other
[1:07:53] ideas. But you guys are giving me a lot
up here on the board. Um but
[1:07:58] um I was saying just based on our
research so far um that maybe we could
[1:08:02] um
provide an annual or or that the that
[1:08:05] the city as an action would provide
annual urban forestry program updates.
[1:08:09] Park to planning, park sports, and youth
councils in you know, as part of
[1:08:13] community meetings. Um
that
[1:08:16] that
they include urban forestry questions in
[1:08:19] routine public surveys.
Um you know, that's you know, again like
[1:08:23] like any kind of standard, you know,
gauging the gauging the opinions of the
[1:08:27] community, there should be some
questions in there. Um
[1:08:30] uh constructing a volunteer system. I
think we've we've started leaning
[1:08:33] towards that. Um and and any idea of uh
of steward uh
[1:08:38] stewardship. Um
neighborhood stewards. Uh you know, a a
[1:08:43] volunteer coordinator. I think we've
already we already have that existing.
[1:08:47] Um maybe they'll need some support, you
know, something like that. But but these
[1:08:50] are all short-term actions. Um
and and an approved tree company
[1:08:54] registry. That may or may not last and
all as a as a as a short-term action.
[1:08:59] It's kind of like it It cost any money
to uh sort of create it, but it might be
[1:09:03] it might be something that
programmatically
[1:09:06] doesn't doesn't doesn't move very fast
politically. Um
[1:09:11] Uh and the operational objectives, so
things that that may need a budget
[1:09:15] eventually. Um
you know, so the align UFMP objectives
[1:09:19] with regional goals. Um
and and and I I think you you I know um
[1:09:26] you can hear me on the call.
You're
[1:09:29] » Can you hear me again?
>> Yeah, you're working as a county to
[1:09:32] develop an urban forest management plan,
right? Um
[1:09:35] you know,
>> Yes, that's absolutely correct. And
[1:09:41] as part of that we're going to be
looking at our tree code and trying to
[1:09:46] bring forward a package of codes that
municipalities in our county
[1:09:52] can have to take a look at to see if
they may want to adopt them or not.
[1:09:57] » Okay.
Yeah, so so the county the county has
[1:10:01] some sport services in in in
development.
[1:10:05] Um
Uh
[1:10:07] engaging the green industry, we talked
about that. Um
[1:10:11] building a volunteer stewardship
program,
[1:10:13] hosting workshops in private tree care
from owners. So I
[1:10:17] I mean I I don't know if it fell but we
we're kind of arriving at the similar
[1:10:20] conclusions through this conversation as
well.
[1:10:23] Um
and then in a long-term goals um you
[1:10:26] know, like like
by 2050, you know, definitely I think
[1:10:30] the the
top item would be strong engagement with
[1:10:34] neighborhood associations and community
associations.
[1:10:37] Um so you know, so or like that
neighborhood associations are conducting
[1:10:43] tree planting projects annually. Every
neighborhood association in the county
[1:10:46] every year, they're going to get a
handful of trees and then we're going to
[1:10:49] put them in the ground and we have a
system in place to do it. You know, that
[1:10:53] would that would be a nice like stretch
goal for this urban forest management
[1:10:56] plan. It doesn't happen right away, but
over time would be
[1:11:00] creative a high-performing urban forest
program in the city.
[1:11:03] Um
I don't know if anything anything on
[1:11:06] here catches you as objectionable,
anything that I've set up here and you
[1:11:10] know the the the
immediately problematic. Okay. Um
[1:11:14] » I just question on goals. I think just
uh
[1:11:17] how is this being
What are we doing with this? Like how
[1:11:20] official are these things? Is this like
you're going to work together with staff
[1:11:23] and we're going to bring in shop and
that here? Like what is that? Like
[1:11:26] » Yeah, yeah. So I was thinking about it
cuz he Tiffany proposed that one more
[1:11:29] urban forest task force meeting in
October, right?
[1:11:33] Yeah, I I I got I got
>> Okay, yes. Yes.
[1:11:35] » I sent you calendar invites. You got
one, right? And you know, and and and
[1:11:38] and that's I was I exactly wasn't sure I
know we're going to draft up the goals
[1:11:43] and share them with the city and I think
she's going to be able to distribute
[1:11:46] them to you guys, but I think I've I've
you know,
[1:11:49] adapting to this project as we go. I'm
thinking probably would make sense that
[1:11:53] we have that we utilize that meeting as
a way to bring all of these three
[1:11:57] conversations together. So so at that
point I'd make more of a presentation um
[1:12:02] that that says well, these are the goal
These are the These are the goals and
[1:12:04] objectives objectives and actions for
the plan that that that we've we've kind
[1:12:09] of come to as a group and at that point
you guys can you know, chime in with you
[1:12:13] know, make some but that way that way
they they they're coming not just not
[1:12:17] just from me as the as the hired
consultant and they're not just coming
[1:12:20] from the city, they're coming from a
cooperative collaborative group so to
[1:12:24] speak with the task input. But that that
made sense to you. I think we're going
[1:12:27] to keep going with that meeting in the
city.
[1:12:30] Good good question.
>> It's like
[1:12:32] » And then I did kind of struggle with
that, you know, I I want I want to get
[1:12:34] everybody um you know, like it like
again as as we're coming to a wrap on
[1:12:39] this meeting, if there if there are
ideas that come to you after this
[1:12:43] meeting, don't hesitate to email them
through through Tiffany and she'll
[1:12:47] forward them on to us. We'll try to find
a way to to consolidate all of that, but
[1:12:50] you know,
like, I I'm coming at you with a lot of
[1:12:54] different ideas and information. So,
I know, you might have a 2:00 a.m.
[1:12:59] flash of inspiration.
>> Write it down, send it over. What we
[1:13:01] were talking about was
students in schools.
[1:13:04] » Students in schools.
>> So, the city reaching into
[1:13:07] » Right, right.
>> students in schools.
[1:13:09] » Students in schools.
>> That's a good point.
[1:13:11] » I'm going to I'm just going to put it
down here as
[1:13:13] » K-12
outreach.
[1:13:16] » Well, and because there are students in
schools, they are, you know, a lot of
[1:13:19] the school properties are not
necessarily city properties, but they
[1:13:23] are tree planting opportunities and that
they're great places, you know, and then
[1:13:26] that's the that's the the the
scout troop,
[1:13:30] you know, planting trees or the or as a
learning project at a school can can
[1:13:34] work on trees.
>> They take a tree home and then they
[1:13:37] plant it in the ground.
>> Take a tree home to your parents and
[1:13:39] then the parents go, "What the heck do I
do with this?" And they go online to the
[1:13:42] city's website and they see, "Oh, okay,
I see I can plant the tree. This is the
[1:13:46] best I don't plant this tree under my
power lines. Plant it in the backyard, 5
[1:13:50] ft away from my house so I don't
react to the insurance company's fire
[1:13:54] wise directives. I mean, like it's it is
kind of, you know,
[1:13:58] forestries complicated.
>> But even just teaching basic
[1:14:01] » Yeah.
>> tree care.
[1:14:03] » Yeah.
>> Take a tree to grow and
[1:14:05] » Yeah, yeah. Students in schools, so I
think I mean, that absolutely we'll want
[1:14:08] to make sure they're getting some
recognition
[1:14:12] as an opportunity. Um so yeah, so our
next session preview,
[1:14:16] um
so this is this is where we'll we'll
[1:14:17] we'll we'll
we'll we'll go into what I think might
[1:14:20] be sort of the the
the
[1:14:23] Well, I I think it's going to be a fun
conversation for sure, um because we're
[1:14:27] going to look at, you know,
we're
[1:14:30] putting Tiffany and Ted on the hot seat
to represent the city and we're going to
[1:14:34] we're going to talk about all the things
the city can do and what they may be
[1:14:37] able to do and what they
Oh my gosh, series will come.
[1:14:41] » [laughter]
>> Um okay.
[1:14:45] Uh
so yeah, so we'll we'll talk about we'll
[1:14:47] we'll we'll talk about like future, you
know, so they've already had a canopy
[1:14:50] assessment but there's, you know,
routine canopy assessments.
[1:14:54] Um, management plans should be updated
routinely but there but, you know, like
[1:14:59] um, developing, you know, local like
specific park specific management plans.
[1:15:04] These are going to be, you know, like a
five-year basis species management
[1:15:06] plans. Those are the kind of things that
would be a priority for a city.
[1:15:10] Um,
definitely setting up programs to
[1:15:12] maintain the public trees. Um, and and
informally, like
[1:15:16] I think there, you know, there's there
might be informal tree care going on in
[1:15:19] the city because they identify an issue,
they grab the crew that they have to to
[1:15:23] solve it and but it's it's reactive. And
when when and and this program should
[1:15:27] move towards something proactive
proactive that's well funded.
[1:15:32] So we'll talk about tree protecting
policies,
[1:15:35] um, city staffing and equipment, um,
But it it it would be funding kind of
[1:15:41] comes in again, you know, they they they
believe they the conversations believe
[1:15:44] through this and faith for this
and so some of it might come from, uh,
[1:15:48] you know, a long-term city initiatives
that that that's
[1:15:52] got to be improved. Things like that.
Um, disaster preparedness that that
[1:15:56] that's the topic of the week, you know,
the city should be taking a good look at
[1:16:01] but I I'm often on conversations, you
know, about wildland fire wildland urban
[1:16:06] interface fires or
emergency corridors. So making sure that
[1:16:12] you're you know, where you
where the ambulance is expected to run
[1:16:15] in the event of emergency don't have
existing hazardous trees. So maybe
[1:16:19] you're taking you're doing an extra
extra level of care on certain priority
[1:16:22] streets, make sure that they aren't
blocked in the event of an emergency
[1:16:26] when like a major wind event. Um,
other than that, uh, yeah, so
[1:16:32] resilience communication, these are all
topics we're going to
[1:16:34] do a deeper dive in on the next session
and we have four minutes for questions
[1:16:39] and then we'll talk. But I again, I
thank you. Thank you for attending and
[1:16:45] giving your thoughts and all this. It's
Hopefully you'll look back 50 years from
[1:16:50] now and say, I hope this city will
become something.
[1:16:54] » A couple of things if I could. First of
all, again, apologies for lunch. It
[1:16:58] should have happened and didn't.
Okay, yeah, please take stuff with you.
[1:17:03] But also there is actually a fall tree
sale that the city is working with
[1:17:08] Pierce Conservation District about. So
I'll send you all information. Hopefully
[1:17:12] you can spread the word.
That's going on right now and then
[1:17:15] people will be able to pick up trees. Uh
I want to say truck and tractor day,
[1:17:20] which is in October sometime. So anyway,
I'll get you that information online. I
[1:17:25] sent you over the last 24 36 hours a
couple of invitations for upcoming
[1:17:29] meetings. So hopefully that came to you
okay. Please let me know if you have
[1:17:32] questions. And I'll just ask also online
anything Karen or Eleanor you guys want
[1:17:39] to add?
[1:17:44] » No, this was wonderful. Thank you guys
so much.
[1:17:46] » Okay, great.
>> Great conversation.
[1:17:50] » Thanks Karen. All right, turning it back
to you again.
[1:17:52] » Okay, well,
I think that's the end and
[1:17:55] without any further objection we'll
adjourn the meeting and
[1:17:59] look forward to the next one and all of
you guys too.