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» you ready? Sharon,

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>> I am ready. Thank you, ma'am.

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» I am ready. Thank you, ma'am.

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>> Next Friday.

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» Next Friday.

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>> We are going to call um the meeting the

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» We are going to call um the meeting the

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uh January [clears throat] 6th, 2026

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meeting to order. Um, we have two

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executive sessions before we start the

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regular agenda at 5:45.

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Um, each would be about 15 minutes. Um,

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and then we'll start the regular agenda

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at 5:45. So, I'd look for a motion on

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the first executive session.

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>> I move that we recess into an executive

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» I move that we recess into an executive

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session for approximately 15 minutes to

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discuss matters related to a security

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measure at city hall pursuant to KSA

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subsection B12. The justification is to

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keep confidential security measures at

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city hall where the disclosure of such

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matters would jeopardize those security

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measures that are in place which are

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designed to protect persons and public

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bodies using city hall. The city

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commission will resume its regular

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meeting in the city commission room at

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approximately 5:16 p.m. after the

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executive session has concluded.

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>> Second

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» Second

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>> motion by commissioner Solos, a second

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» motion by commissioner Solos, a second

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by Commissioner Pian. All those in favor

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say I.

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>> I. I. Opposed passes five to zero. We

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» I. I. Opposed passes five to zero. We

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will be in recess for 15 minutes of

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executive session.

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We're coming back from executive session

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and we have nothing to report and we are

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now heading into our second executive

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session. So, I'd look for a motion on

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that. a motion to recess into executive

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session for approximately 15 minutes to

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discuss privilege legal communication

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from the city's attorney regarding

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litigation and state and local laws

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pursuant to KSA754519B2.

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The justification is to keep attorney

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client privileged matters confidential

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at this time. [snorts] The city

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commission will resume its regular

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meeting in the city commission room at

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[snorts]

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5 5:31 uh after the executive session is

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concluded.

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>> Second.

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» Second.

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>> Second. There's a [snorts] motion by

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» Second. There's a [snorts] motion by

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Vice um Mayor Courtney, a second by

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Commissioner Pulling. All those in favor

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say I.

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>> I opposed. Passes 5-0. or we return at

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» I opposed. Passes 5-0. or we return at

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5:30.

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from our second executive session. We

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have nothing to report and uh we will be

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in recess till 5:45 and we'll start the

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regular agenda.

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>> Thank you.

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Sher, you ready?

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>> I'm [snorts] ready.

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» I'm [snorts] ready.

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>> We're going to call the meeting back

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» We're going to call the meeting back

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into order here at 5:45.

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Before we begin our agenda, I wanted to

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acknowledge the events that occurred at

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city hall yesterday morning. First and

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foremost, I want to be clear. The safety

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of our staff comes first. Their safety,

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well-being, and care matter deeply to

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this governing body and to me

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personally.

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Situations like this are certainly

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unsettling, and we recognize the

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emotional weight they can carry on

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everyone. We are committed to supporting

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team Lawrence as they take the time they

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need and his operations return

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thoughtfully and safely. I also want to

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reassure the community that city hall is

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safe and we continue to work closely

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with our professional staff to ensure

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our public buildings remain secure and

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welcoming places. We appreciate the

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rapid response of our police department

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and are grateful for the the work of the

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first responders who supported fellow

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members of team Lawrence throughout the

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day.

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We've been especially heartened by the

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many residents, neighbors, friends, and

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loved ones who have reached out to

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simply check in and offer support to

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team Lawrence. That kind of care is a

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powerful reminder of who we are as a

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community. It reflects Lawrence at its

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best. We care about each other. Tonight,

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we move forward with the business of the

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community. On behalf of the city

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commission, thank you to our staff for

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their professionalism and their

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resilience. And thank you to our

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community for their trust and care.

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We'll now start with the rules of the

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meeting. Sherry, if you could read

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those.

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>> Thank you, Mayor. Good evening,

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» Thank you, Mayor. Good evening,

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everyone. And if you would please

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silence your cell phones. The primary

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format for accessing the meeting is in

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person at city hall. Virtual access

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can't be guaranteed due to potential

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technology issues. When the mayor calls

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for public comment, please approach the

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podium to indicate you wish to speak.

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Virtual participants should use the

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raise hand function.

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When prompted, select join as panelist.

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There will be a brief delay as your role

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changes. Once your name is called,

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please unmute, turn [snorts] on your

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camera, and state your name and zip code

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before speaking. All comments will be

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limited to 3 minutes. The city does

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reserve the right to turn videos off or

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mute participants.

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>> Thank you, Sherry. Next on the agenda is

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» Thank you, Sherry. Next on the agenda is

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to approve the agenda. The city

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commission reserves the right to amend,

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supplement, or reorder the agenda during

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the meeting. Do we have a motion on the

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agenda?

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I move to approve the agenda as is.

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>> Second.

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» Second.

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>> Moved by Commissioner Devo, seconded by

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» Moved by Commissioner Devo, seconded by

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Commissioner Cos to approve the agenda.

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All those in favor say I.

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>> Opposed. Passes five to zero. Next is

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» Opposed. Passes five to zero. Next is

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the consent agenda. Items on the consent

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agenda are considered under one motion

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and approved by one motion. Members of

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the governing body may remove items for

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separate discussion if desired. Members

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of the public may remove items

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identified as quasi judicial for

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separate discussion if desired. Members

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of the public will be limited to three

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minutes for comment. To begin, do any

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commissioners have an item to remove

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from the consent agenda?

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>> Go.

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» Go.

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>> Mayor, I would like to briefly discuss

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» Mayor, I would like to briefly discuss

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items C3A.

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Uh, I've got two claims questions and

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C8A

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on our incentive for our garage doors.

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>> Sounds good. Any others?

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» Sounds good. Any others?

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>> Mayor, I have C6A

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» Mayor, I have C6A

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about the purchase of one truck and just

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a quick question on C8B.

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» C8B.

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[snorts] Um, okay.

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Any others? Seeing none, is is there a

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motion with the exception of those four?

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>> So moved.

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» So moved.

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>> Okay, there's a motion to approve the

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» Okay, there's a motion to approve the

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consent agenda with the exception of

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C3A, C6A, 68A, and 68B.

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>> Second.

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» Second.

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>> And there's a second by Commissioner

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» And there's a second by Commissioner

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Cos. All those in favor, please say I.

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>> Opposed. The consent agenda passes 5 to

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» Opposed. The consent agenda passes 5 to

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zero. I probably should have noted there

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were no quasi judicial items.

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» No.

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>> Um, okay. Okay. So, we'll take those in

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» Um, okay. Okay. So, we'll take those in

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order. C uh 3A uh claims.

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>> Okay. I've got two questions and I

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» Okay. I've got two questions and I

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recognize this given the circumstances

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uh we may not get answers tonight, which

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is fine. If I get a question on claims

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from the public, I will typically pull

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it so we can talk about it in public.

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The first question I have is in regards

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to Pride Promotions. It's a minimal

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expense of a little over $1,800. there

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was a grant tied to those purchases. I

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just kind of want to know where that

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expenditure falls within the grant. And

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then the second question, we've got um

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an individual by the name of Vernon. I

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believe it's pronounced Heiny. H E I N E

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in alphabetical order order. It is under

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And it is paying for mowing.

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there is an individual by that name that

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is deceased. I'd like confirmation that

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we are not paying a deceased individual.

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looks like maybe the PO number is 101 or

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no the GL number is 101.0602-301701.

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maybe. Uh just some identifying moments.

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here, which is perfectly fine. If I can

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get an email based on that, that would

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be great.

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>> You probably have resources

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» You probably have resources

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uh on here. We just This is There's

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hundreds and hundreds of claims on here.

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>> um this is Do you want to hold this for

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» um this is Do you want to hold this for

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approval or

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>> It is $2,400. You guys have already paid

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» It is $2,400. You guys have already paid

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I'm guessing you've already paid these.

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>> No, this is an authorization to send

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» No, this is an authorization to send

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these checks out. That's why we do the

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claims report each.

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>> Um, let's then I want to hold those two.

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» Um, let's then I want to hold those two.

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Please hold those two and proceed with

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the rest of the claims. Can you do that?

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I think Michelle is coming on.

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>> Yes. Uh, these claims have not been

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» Yes. Uh, these claims have not been

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remitted out yet and we are happy to

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hold both of those claims and verify

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their proceeding. That means you will

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see them um after communication and

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verification. They would reappear on

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next week's claim.

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>> That's great. Perfect. Thank you so

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» That's great. Perfect. Thank you so

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much.

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>> Okay. Any other questions about the

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» Okay. Any other questions about the

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claims?

287
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This is a public hearing item now that

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it's been pulled. Any me member of the

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public like to speak on the claims?

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Anyone online like to speak about the

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claims?

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Yes, just

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you do have one.

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>> Okay,

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» Okay,

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>> I'm over now.

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» Steven Watts.

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>> Hi,

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» Hi,

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happy new year. Woohoo.

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00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,400
Hey, since we're in the claims arena,

302
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please help me understand why the town

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has spent $16,000

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for fiscal year or for 2025

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and it's continuing into 2026.

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Coffee

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for the luxurious administrative set. If

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we provide coffee for staff, how about

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providing it to everybody?

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Please help me understand

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why [clears throat] do quarter of a

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million dollar executives

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need subsidized coffee from the city of

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Lawrence, which is so broke.

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broke as a broke dick dog

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is charging people to enter their parks.

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It's just a question. Can we get an

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answer? I've sent several emails about

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it. No answers. There we go. Thank you.

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[cough]

321
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,880
» Any other comments online?

322
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,630
>> No, mayor.

323
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:12,640
» No, mayor.

324
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>> Bring it back to the commission for

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» Bring it back to the commission for

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comments or motions.

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00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,400
Sherry, in the motion, if we're going to

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pull the claims minus those two, do we

329
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,760
need to note that in the motion?

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00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,109
>> I think we [clears throat] would defin

331
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» I think we [clears throat] would defin

332
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,119
we would want to make approve the claims

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with the exception of those two items.

334
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:33,190
>> So, so Commissioner Poland, do you have

335
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» So, so Commissioner Poland, do you have

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those uh do you have those accounts

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noted that we're pulling?

338
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,430
>> I do.

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» I do.

340
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,630
>> Pride Promotions and Vernon Heiny.

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» Pride Promotions and Vernon Heiny.

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00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:43,829
>> Would you want to go ahead and make a

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» Would you want to go ahead and make a

344
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:44,400
motion?

345
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,230
>> Yeah.

346
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:46,240
» Yeah.

347
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:51,359
Um, I'd like to vote to approve claims

348
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:55,920
less the pride promotion for $1822

349
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$1822.

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00:53:57,702 --> 00:53:58,357
[cough]

351
00:53:58,357 --> 00:54:00,079
[clears throat] And Vernon Heiney,

352
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,640
Vernon C. Heiny. Um,

353
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and forgive me, let me pull that back up

354
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again. And it's an approximate amount of

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$600. Do we need to be more specific?

356
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:13,270
>> 661.

357
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» 661.

358
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,309
>> 661. Okay. Is there a second?

359
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:16,319
» 661. Okay. Is there a second?

360
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:17,510
>> I second that.

361
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» I second that.

362
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,109
>> Motion by Commissioner Pulian, a second

363
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» Motion by Commissioner Pulian, a second

364
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:20,720
by Commissioner De. All those in favor

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00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,240
say I. I.

366
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,990
>> Opposed. Nay.

367
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:24,000
» Opposed. Nay.

368
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,829
>> Nay. Passes 4 to1.

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» Nay. Passes 4 to1.

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00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:33,040
That brings us to C 6A um which records

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the armor equipment utili utilizing

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source the royal rolloff container. Vice

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Mayor Courtney.

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So, this this purchase right here is it

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says it's for 245,000. I looked up a

376
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,760
photo online of what it looks like. It

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it's looks like a tow truck for heavy

378
00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:52,723
vehicles. Is that a fair assessment?

379
00:54:52,723 --> 00:54:53,599
[clears throat and cough] I guess this

380
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might be an MSO question. I don't know

381
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,480
if anybody's available.

382
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>> Just they are just

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» Just they are just

384
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to move them to panelists.

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[clears throat]

386
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» [clears throat]

387
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,800
» you [clears throat] you might want to

388
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,960
ask her question again. Vice Mayor Mike

389
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Lawless is now on.

390
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,829
>> Okay, gotcha. So, looking at C6A for the

391
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» Okay, gotcha. So, looking at C6A for the

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bid for that rolloff container truck, is

393
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:32,960
it is it fair to say that's a tow truck

394
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for heavy vehicles?

395
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,160
Well, uh, so Mike Lawless, uh, deputy

396
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director for [clears throat] MSO.

397
00:55:39,228 --> 00:55:40,079
[snorts]

398
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,280
The rolloff truck is for the, uh, it's

399
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for solid waste, and it's for the big

400
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rolloff tanks that we pull, um, that

401
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,520
contractors use to fill with trash from

402
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construction or whatever they're doing,

403
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,599
and then we take that to the landfill.

404
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:58,000
So, that's the truck that we use to pull

405
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,280
those containers onto and deliver to the

406
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,280
landfill to empty.

407
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,710
>> Gotcha. And how often are we using

408
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» Gotcha. And how often are we using

409
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:06,640
trucks like that?

410
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,510
>> Every [clears throat] day.

411
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:07,520
» Every [clears throat] day.

412
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:08,150
>> Every day.

413
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:08,160
» Every day.

414
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,309
>> We have I believe we have nine of those.

415
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:10,319
» We have I believe we have nine of those.

416
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:14,960
And typically we're using um five at a

417
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,480
time. Five every day. And then sometimes

418
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,440
um um we actually use more than that.

419
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,430
>> Okay. No, gotcha. I was just I was

420
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:25,440
» Okay. No, gotcha. I was just I was

421
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,799
curious if it was just a tow truck for

422
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:28,960
heavy trucks if like how often we were

423
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,040
actually towing our own machines. But if

424
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,440
we're using it, if we're using nine a

425
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,559
day, that makes sense.

426
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:36,549
>> Yeah. It's it's not a it's not a tow

427
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:36,559
» Yeah. It's it's not a it's not a tow

428
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,440
truck. It's actually to to move those uh

429
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,200
rolloff containers and um we pull about

430
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,480
35 of those every day. So we use in the

431
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,960
neighborhood of five trucks a day um to

432
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,240
handle that workload.

433
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,190
>> Gotcha. Okay. Uh and then kind of

434
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:53,200
» Gotcha. Okay. Uh and then kind of

435
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,040
probably uh Mr. Owens, one one more for

436
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,880
you. So when we make a large purchase

437
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,839
like these, are these amvertised over

438
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:01,920
the lifespan of the vehicles? So are

439
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,760
these like we spended like4 million from

440
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,079
this type of truck? Are we, you know,

441
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,319
deprecating that 20 30% like each year

442
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:11,839
as it goes through its life cycle?

443
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:13,190
>> You mean a depreciation?

444
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:13,200
» You mean a depreciation?

445
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:13,829
>> Yeah.

446
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:13,839
» Yeah.

447
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:15,670
>> Well, we don't pay taxes, so it doesn't

448
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:15,680
» Well, we don't pay taxes, so it doesn't

449
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,359
that doesn't have a bearing. But yeah,

450
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:19,359
we do we we do and I think this this

451
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,119
question came up with another fleet,

452
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:22,640
Adam. It's the same thing. We try and

453
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,960
manage that fleet not just by using

454
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,400
mileage but really assessing the

455
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,480
mechanical condition that our mechanics

456
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,480
assess it on and then what a secondary

457
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,640
market value might be. So it's always

458
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,640
trying to hit the sweet spot in that as

459
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,119
things change. Uh Robert Aaron is the

460
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,559
one that answered the question before

461
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,400
and so I I've learned from him and that

462
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,839
that is the right answer.

463
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:43,750
>> And when we have older trucks like this,

464
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:43,760
» And when we have older trucks like this,

465
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,680
do we get some do we sell this to other

466
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,480
municipalities get like some value back

467
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,200
from that?

468
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,789
>> Yes, there's a variety of ways. There

469
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:50,799
» Yes, there's a variety of ways. There

470
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:53,839
are actually municipal um auction sites

471
00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:57,280
that kind of help us do that um more

472
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,200
conveniently. Sometimes we trade them

473
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,079
in. Um there's a variety of ways that we

474
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:03,920
might do that. Okay.

475
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,910
>> Are these falling under an enterprise

476
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:05,920
» Are these falling under an enterprise

477
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,240
fund like um it's under solid waste

478
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,270
>> in this case? Yes.

479
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:11,280
» in this case? Yes.

480
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,470
>> And solid waste is an enterprise fund.

481
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:14,480
» And solid waste is an enterprise fund.

482
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:14,870
>> Yeah.

483
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:14,880
» Yeah.

484
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,190
>> Yes.

485
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:15,200
» Yes.

486
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,789
>> I would imagine. Okay. So there is a

487
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:16,799
» I would imagine. Okay. So there is a

488
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:18,480
depreciation tied to it but it has no

489
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,799
monetary value. Gotcha. Okay.

490
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:21,270
>> Okay.

491
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:21,280
» Okay.

492
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,349
>> Okay. Yeah. No, thank you. Appreciate

493
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:23,359
» Okay. Yeah. No, thank you. Appreciate

494
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:24,799
Mr. Lawless. Appreciate the the answer

495
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:25,839
to that question.

496
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:29,589
>> Okay. Um any other questions?

497
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:29,599
» Okay. Um any other questions?

498
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:30,309
>> No.

499
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:30,319
» No.

500
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:31,109
>> No.

501
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:31,119
» No.

502
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:32,950
>> This is a public hearing item. Anyone

503
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,960
» This is a public hearing item. Anyone

504
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,430
have a question about um item C6A?

505
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,520
How about anyone online?

506
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,789
>> No, mayor.

507
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:42,799
» No, mayor.

508
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:44,870
>> Okay. I'll bring it back to the

509
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:44,880
» Okay. I'll bring it back to the

510
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,480
commission for either discussion or a

511
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,920
motion. Uh motion to approve the

512
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,599
purchase of one roll-off container truck

513
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,520
from Armor Equipment utilizing the

514
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,960
Sourcewell cooperative contract.

515
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:55,910
>> So second

516
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:55,920
» So second

517
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:56,789
>> second

518
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:56,799
» second

519
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:58,710
>> motion by Vice Mayor Courtney, seconded

520
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:58,720
» motion by Vice Mayor Courtney, seconded

521
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,720
by Commissioner De. All those in favor,

522
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,599
please say I.

523
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:01,910
>> I.

524
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:01,920
» I.

525
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,390
>> I.

526
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:02,400
» I.

527
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,510
>> Opposed. Passes 5 to zero. That brings

528
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:05,520
» Opposed. Passes 5 to zero. That brings

529
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,960
us to C8A which relates to the Amar

530
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,280
Company's development incentive. And I

531
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,680
believe Commissioner Polium pulled that.

532
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,319
Briefly, Brandon, would you mind just

533
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:18,319
kind of walking us through where we are

534
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:21,280
just for public's purpose? I don't need

535
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,240
much.

536
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,309
>> Yep. Um, the city has an economic

537
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:24,319
» Yep. Um, the city has an economic

538
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,480
development incentive policy that guides

539
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,400
this process. Um, the first step I

540
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,240
usually first step is the consultation

541
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,920
between staff and an a potential

542
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,040
applicant. Um and then uh the first step

543
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,720
for the commission is is this action

544
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,119
item on the agenda tonight which is um

545
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,480
accepting the the application. Um some

546
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,079
communities don't have that step. It's

547
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,000
kind of I think it's somewhat unique to

548
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,400
us but um that has been our first step.

549
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,799
City commission accepts the application

550
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:57,200
and then we will work then staff will

551
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,960
work with our consultants um our

552
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,680
financial adviser, bond counsel um and

553
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,760
any other consultants we need to. uh

554
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,559
those costs are funded by the applicant

555
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,240
through the funding agreement which is

556
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,079
also attached to the agenda.

557
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,829
>> So we will see this item again.

558
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:11,839
» So we will see this item again.

559
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:12,390
>> Yes.

560
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:12,400
» Yes.

561
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,829
>> Great. Thank you very much.

562
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:13,839
» Great. Thank you very much.

563
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:14,069
>> Yes,

564
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:14,079
» Yes,

565
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,030
>> that's all I had.

566
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:15,040
» that's all I had.

567
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,510
>> And question inside the application it

568
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:17,520
» And question inside the application it

569
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,200
says you know Amar currently leases the

570
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,799
building and per company policy cannot

571
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:22,799
pursue expansion of a leased building.

572
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:24,480
Therefore Amar is seeking an option to

573
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,480
purchase the current site which then

574
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,640
opens the potential for expansion

575
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,040
investment. So just kind of if they

576
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,680
didn't purchase the entire entire site,

577
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,760
this IRB wouldn't happen. It's it's

578
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,400
dependent on them making that purchase.

579
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,789
>> Well, um that's that's a little cart

580
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:40,799
» Well, um that's that's a little cart

581
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:43,119
before the horse um because we we are

582
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,559
just receiving the application. So we

583
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:45,839
haven't started negotiating a

584
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:48,319
development agreement or um the terms of

585
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,480
the of a potential pilot payment in lie

586
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,720
of taxes through the IRB. Um so those

587
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,480
would be conversations that we'd have in

588
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,839
the future.

589
01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:58,079
I think it's important to note that we

590
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,880
do not make it incredibly easy for

591
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,920
businesses to get these incentives. I

592
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,000
think there might be a little bit of our

593
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,640
community that um think maybe that we

594
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,040
just hand them out very generously

595
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,599
without any type of process. So, this is

596
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,040
really one of the reasons, right,

597
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,109
>> I I I brought this to the attention.

598
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:19,119
» I I I brought this to the attention.

599
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:19,839
Thank you again.

600
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,150
>> Appreciate that. And I I will take the

601
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:22,160
» Appreciate that. And I I will take the

602
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,079
opportunity just to acknowledge um

603
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,400
members of Amar's team are with us. Mike

604
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,720
Burnholds, the general manager of the lo

605
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,359
of the plant here. Um and then we do

606
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:33,839
have a couple joining us online. Uh Rob

607
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:34,897
Cheser

608
01:01:34,897 --> 01:01:35,109
>> [clears throat and snorts]

609
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:35,119
» [clears throat and snorts]

610
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,910
>> um and Sean Mason from Amar.

611
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:37,920
» um and Sean Mason from Amar.

612
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,510
>> Thank you.

613
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:39,520
» Thank you.

614
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,589
>> Thank you all for being here and and

615
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:41,599
» Thank you all for being here and and

616
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:43,599
look forward to seeing how the

617
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,440
application goes. Any [clears throat]

618
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,960
other questions?

619
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,990
>> Not sir.

620
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:48,000
» Not sir.

621
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,829
>> Okay. This is a public hearing item. Any

622
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:49,839
» Okay. This is a public hearing item. Any

623
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:51,040
members of the public like to say

624
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,630
anything on this item?

625
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:04,870
Oh, Steve is going to say something.

626
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,559
Mayor, members of the commission, I I

627
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:07,520
don't want to take too much of your

628
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,119
time. I know you've got a busy schedule,

629
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,119
but I did want to say just a few words

630
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,160
on behalf of this application. Uh Amar

631
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,480
is one of the larger employers, not only

632
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,920
of the city of Lawrence, but in the

633
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,160
county. uh has been here for a number of

634
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,520
years and in the last particularly in

635
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,799
the last five years has done an

636
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:25,599
outstanding job of reworking their

637
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:28,559
business uh in in in a lot of ways it's

638
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,160
become much more productive much more

639
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,880
efficient and they've also instituted a

640
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,599
number of of policies within the company

641
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,240
that really have improved the the the

642
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,319
work environment uh the family

643
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,960
environment of the workplace uh and have

644
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,559
been very successful in that. In fact,

645
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,079
they're kind of a model within their

646
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,400
overall company. Uh so they've done a

647
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,319
great job uh and I think as has been

648
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:54,079
disclosed you know they're in a

649
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:55,680
situation where they have opportunities

650
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,760
for growth and there opportunities for

651
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,040
expansion but it's not you know not a

652
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,119
viable situation for them to be putting

653
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:04,720
investment into a building they don't

654
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,520
own. Uh so this is a critical step for

655
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,200
them not only to uh retain but also to

656
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,799
put them in a position to continue to

657
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,039
grow which they have intentions to do.

658
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,119
So I would, you know, humbly ask that

659
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,280
you give this strong consideration not

660
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,720
only this evening but throughout the

661
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,160
process.

662
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,710
>> Thank you.

663
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,599
» Any other any comments online?

664
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:30,710
>> No, mayor.

665
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:30,720
» No, mayor.

666
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,630
>> Okay, bring it back to the commission

667
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:32,640
» Okay, bring it back to the commission

668
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,720
for comments or a motion.

669
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,270
>> Um, I just want it to be known that um

670
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:39,280
» Um, I just want it to be known that um

671
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,160
I do support incentives for our

672
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,319
businesses. I am very grateful for Amar

673
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:46,640
and your presence in the community. Um I

674
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,480
know several people that work at the

675
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,000
organization. Um things that I will be

676
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,640
looking for in the future are jobs. So

677
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,480
when we look at incentives in general,

678
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,760
that is one of the things that I will

679
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,480
definitely give great consideration for

680
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,880
increase in jobs. So thank you.

681
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,549
>> Okay. Is any other comments or motions?

682
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:08,559
» Okay. Is any other comments or motions?

683
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,390
>> Yeah. Second that as well. A lot of kids

684
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:10,400
» Yeah. Second that as well. A lot of kids

685
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,680
on my a lot of [clears throat] parents

686
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,680
on my kids uh cub scouts are working at

687
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,000
work at AMR too. And so and to go along

688
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,839
with Commissioner Polling was saying uh

689
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:19,440
there'll be a question for me about are

690
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,119
those jobs in Lawrence or in Douglas

691
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:22,720
County and what that looks like. Just so

692
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,789
you know.

693
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:28,720
» Okay. When do we accept the economic

694
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,319
development incentive application from

695
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:34,720
Amar Company and we refer this to staff

696
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,240
for analysis and follow-up

697
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,920
recommendation?

698
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,280
Second

699
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,589
>> motion um by Commissioner Cos and second

700
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:41,599
» motion um by Commissioner Cos and second

701
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,599
by Commissioner Devo. All those in

702
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,680
favor, please say I. I.

703
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,029
>> Opposed? Passes 5 to zero. Last item

704
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:49,039
» Opposed? Passes 5 to zero. Last item

705
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,960
from the consent agenda is

706
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,510
>> There was also a motion um which is fine

707
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:53,520
» There was also a motion um which is fine

708
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,799
to do it separate. We'll need another

709
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:57,760
motion motion to authorize.

710
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,599
Oh, thank you, Sher. I also move that we

711
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,039
authorize the city manager execute a

712
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,160
funding agreement in in substantiality

713
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,039
the same as form as attached with the

714
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:08,880
applicant.

715
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:09,750
>> So second

716
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:09,760
» So second

717
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:10,710
>> I'll second that

718
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:10,720
» I'll second that

719
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,549
>> motion by commissioner sellers a second

720
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:12,559
» motion by commissioner sellers a second

721
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,799
by commissioner devil. All those in

722
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,000
favor please say I

723
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,029
>> I

724
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:17,039
» I

725
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,510
>> opposed. Now that passes five to zero.

726
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:19,520
» opposed. Now that passes five to zero.

727
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,039
Thank you Sher for catching that.

728
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:26,150
>> My apologies. um C8B um related um to

729
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:26,160
» My apologies. um C8B um related um to

730
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,039
the estates of Malama I think is how

731
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,960
they pronounce that and I think uh Vice

732
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,880
Mayor um Courtney pulled this.

733
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,029
>> Yeah. And so just a a question for MSO

734
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:35,039
» Yeah. And so just a a question for MSO

735
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,280
about this Okonnell [snorts] 25th.

736
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,039
There's a lot of growth that's been

737
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,039
happening uh to the east of OK and

738
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,359
happening uh to the east of Okonnell.

739
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:44,799
There's obviously at the north part of

740
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:46,480
Okonnell is the MSO plant and stuff like

741
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,680
that. I'm I I just sort of have like a

742
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,119
just kind of like a high level question.

743
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,039
When we have so much growth in an area

744
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,400
like that, how are we thinking about

745
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,359
sewer pump stations, what that can be

746
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:04,079
supported in the future when we accept

747
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:11,430
uh applications such as this?

748
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,240
» Don't know if

749
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,950
>> I'm looking to see who's on. I'm sorry.

750
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:14,960
» I'm looking to see who's on. I'm sorry.

751
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:15,829
>> No problem.

752
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:15,839
» No problem.

753
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:19,039
is not great.

754
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,029
>> You said high level. I can do a high

755
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:21,039
» You said high level. I can do a high

756
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,100
level city manager version of it.

757
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,000
[laughter] Um in [clears throat] they

758
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,400
can fill in the blanks. Um so anytime

759
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,400
we're looking at MSO looks at the

760
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,559
applications for these, they look at the

761
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,160
load that it will put on all of our

762
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,079
infrastructure. So those are

763
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:37,920
calculations that are done against our

764
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,599
storm water u or all of our master plans

765
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:44,079
for those utilities. Um, so we want to

766
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:45,760
make sure that we've put in the right

767
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,079
adequate uh capacity to take that

768
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,960
downstream. Um, and so that those are

769
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,559
the reviews that are done every time we

770
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,359
would see that plat. And that's for load

771
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:58,640
on our city streets uh turning radius,

772
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,119
any of the street uh load. That's for

773
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:04,000
our storm water system, the drainage

774
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,240
that takes that the capacity. That's for

775
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,480
our water system. Make sure that we have

776
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,480
adequate pressures that are built into

777
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,200
there. And that's also for our uh

778
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,200
wastewater capacity and making sure that

779
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,200
we're prepared all the way down the

780
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,440
system for that load. And most of those

781
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,079
are part of very large master plans that

782
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,480
are contemplating development years and

783
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,799
years ahead.

784
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:28,870
>> So Melissa's now in and so is Katherine.

785
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:28,880
» So Melissa's now in and so is Katherine.

786
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:36,309
This is her Katherine's item.

787
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:39,081
» Katherine. Melissa, anything to add?

788
01:07:39,081 --> 01:07:40,240
[clears throat]

789
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,670
>> Mayor, I don't have anything to add

790
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:41,680
» Mayor, I don't have anything to add

791
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,680
unless Katherine does, but Craig's um

792
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,359
spot on and is high level.

793
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:49,029
>> Yeah, I don't have anything to add

794
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:49,039
» Yeah, I don't have anything to add

795
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:51,520
either. Commissioners,

796
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:52,789
>> does that answer you?

797
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:52,799
» does that answer you?

798
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:54,150
>> Yeah. No, I think that answers the

799
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:54,160
» Yeah. No, I think that answers the

800
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,400
question. And so, as we start getting

801
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,599
I'm just thinking like, hey, we're going

802
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:58,799
to start, you know, expanding in

803
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:00,799
different directions around town. And so

804
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:02,480
like if we do a couple plats here and

805
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,799
there, like

806
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:06,799
that pressure that we're putting on

807
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:09,359
roads, storm water, sewer, stuff like

808
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:11,200
that,

809
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,119
uh how do we know we're getting close to

810
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,719
the limit of what that can support? Is

811
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:18,319
that something that's like on the GIS

812
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,880
like the ArcGIS type thing or just kind

813
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,159
of curious about that? That's all those

814
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,400
those large system plans those are made

815
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,000
to contemplating uh a comprehensive plan

816
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,799
uh lays that out and integrates that. So

817
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,239
we're not only projecting we're

818
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,799
projecting many many many factors some

819
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:37,359
of them are the utility impacted factors

820
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:41,120
others are zoning financial there's the

821
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,319
comprehensive plan really does

822
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:43,920
contemplate all of those things and ties

823
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,400
all those pieces together but also then

824
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,400
each of those master plans that are

825
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,199
developed that that feed into that those

826
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:54,799
are um usually consultant studies that

827
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:57,679
talk about entire watersheds or entire

828
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:00,719
areas of pressure zones um and We are we

829
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:04,719
are hopefully decades ahead of the need

830
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:07,679
and a lot of our c comprehensive or um

831
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:09,920
capital improvement planning work is

832
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,239
loading those projects in in a timely

833
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,880
way so those improvements happen in time

834
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,880
to support whatever development needs

835
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,440
are planned and the the planning process

836
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:22,480
too is uh lays out the land use plan so

837
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,880
that we are we're saying this is how

838
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,440
much load we're wanting to have happen.

839
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,719
So, one affects the other and the other

840
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:34,880
uh maybe drives the first. So,

841
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:35,990
>> I appreci I appreciate you taking the

842
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:36,000
» I appreci I appreciate you taking the

843
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,920
time to explain that. Thanks.

844
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,189
>> That's all that's all I have for that.

845
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:39,199
» That's all that's all I have for that.

846
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:43,510
>> Okay. Uh any other questions about C8B

847
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:43,520
» Okay. Uh any other questions about C8B

848
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,000
from the commission? If not, it's a

849
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,080
public hearing item. Anyone like to

850
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,480
speak on C8B and the audience?

851
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:54,480
Seeing none, how about online?

852
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,149
>> No, ma'am.

853
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:56,159
» No, ma'am.

854
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:01,600
bring C8B back for comments or motions.

855
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,910
>> Um motion to accept the dedications of

856
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:03,920
» Um motion to accept the dedications of

857
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,199
utility easements and right ofway

858
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,239
associated with the final plat plat 2520

859
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,800
for estates of Malama in the city of

860
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,560
Lawrence, Douglas County, Kansas located

861
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,360
at 2500 Okonnell Drive.

862
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,310
>> Second

863
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:16,320
» Second

864
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,470
>> motion by Vice Mayor Courtney, seconded

865
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:18,480
» motion by Vice Mayor Courtney, seconded

866
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,600
by um Commissioner Devo. All those in

867
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,040
favor, please say I.

868
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,830
>> I.

869
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:23,840
» I.

870
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,070
>> Opposed? passes 520 to zero. That brings

871
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:28,080
» Opposed? passes 520 to zero. That brings

872
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,920
us to section E, which is the regular

873
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,960
agenda items. And regular agenda item

874
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,800
one and two, I assume we're going to do

875
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:41,199
together um related to um the uh well,

876
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,760
let's say the FIFA World Cup, but we'll

877
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,069
let Jeff talk us through that.

878
01:10:47,069 --> 01:10:48,719
[clears throat]

879
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:57,350
Excuse me.

880
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:58,480
Sorry for the delay on that,

881
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,159
commissioners. Good evening. Jeff Drake

882
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,159
with planning development services. The

883
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,480
two amendments are really a tandem pair

884
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,480
for this item there. And what it is is

885
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,480
one item will amend the short-term

886
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,400
rental licensing code. The other amends

887
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,920
the land development code sections

888
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,400
related to short-term rentals. So, kind

889
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,480
of walk through in general what the the

890
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:18,080
purpose of this is. You had seen the

891
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,000
initiation a few months back, but just

892
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,000
as a reminder with the World Cup coming

893
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,760
up, we wanted to propose a change to the

894
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,960
amendments so that there was more

895
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,120
flexibility in related to those codes.

896
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,440
And what we're proposing is an

897
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:30,800
alteration to the amendments that would

898
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,040
run in the end of May through basically

899
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,040
the end of July that would remove a

900
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,560
couple of sections for we see in the

901
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,640
code for the land development code. It

902
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,239
would change the owner occupied and

903
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:42,159
non-owner occupied permissions and allow

904
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,640
a wider variety of uses. So, owner

905
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,000
occupied and non-owner occupied

906
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,679
short-term rentals could expand as part

907
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,159
of that process. As part of the rental

908
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:52,239
licensing code, we would remove a couple

909
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:53,920
things and then include what's called an

910
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,679
inspection reciprocity. And I'll start

911
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:57,280
with that one first. So, if a property

912
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,880
is licensed in the long-term rental

913
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,120
program and has been inspected and gone

914
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,400
through the process is that we would

915
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:03,679
roll that inspection over to the

916
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:05,040
short-term rental process because it

917
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,719
would have cleared those marks, would

918
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:08,560
have been found to be insufficient on

919
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,480
that and just roll that over as part of

920
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,560
that under the current short-term rental

921
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,480
licensing code. An entity can't have

922
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:16,159
more than three short-term rentals in

923
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:17,120
the city of Lawrence. We would

924
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,960
temporarily remove that cap. So, if an

925
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,400
apartment complex had 20, 25, 30 units

926
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,239
and would like to use all 30 of those

927
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:25,600
units for short-term rentals, a

928
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,040
possibility for the duration of the

929
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,880
World Cup allowance, that would be a

930
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,560
possibility that would be available for

931
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,120
that time span. And we'd also include

932
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,400
some language in there to make sure that

933
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,480
when somebody is applying that they do

934
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:39,280
they're aware that it is a short, no pun

935
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,560
intended here, a short short-term

936
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,960
rental. uh it's only for the duration of

937
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,360
that World Cup between the May 25th

938
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,920
through July 31st or whatever day the

939
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,760
commission finds fit to end the process

940
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,080
on that one and that if they would at

941
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,600
the conclusion of that then the

942
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,120
short-term rental code would go back in

943
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,719
place and those previous restrictions

944
01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:58,000
that we currently have would come back

945
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,400
on the books. So, just as a as a quick

946
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,159
recap, it is it really amending two

947
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,080
different chapters, but really it's the

948
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,159
same process or excuse me, the same

949
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:07,520
project in just two different portions

950
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,760
of the city code. And with that, I'd be

951
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,280
happy to stand for any questions related

952
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,080
to those.

953
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,630
>> I have a couple questions, Jeff, which I

954
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:14,640
» I have a couple questions, Jeff, which I

955
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,239
think I know the answer to, but there

956
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:17,520
have been questions I've been getting.

957
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,159
So, okay, let's say I want to rent my

958
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:22,880
house out during the World Cup. Um, I

959
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,880
have to apply for a short-term rental

960
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:25,520
license,

961
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:26,950
>> correct? would be apply for a short-term

962
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:26,960
» correct? would be apply for a short-term

963
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,480
rental license and we would inspect the

964
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:29,920
unit to ensure it meets the property

965
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,679
maintenance code specifications.

966
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:33,990
>> But if I have a long-term rental that I

967
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:34,000
» But if I have a long-term rental that I

968
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,440
already rent out and it's already

969
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:37,679
licensed, I wouldn't have to get us

970
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:39,120
apply for the short-term rental.

971
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,310
>> Would have to get a short-term rental

972
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:40,320
» Would have to get a short-term rental

973
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:41,760
license if you were going to include it

974
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,360
and in that process. But if you were

975
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,040
inspected recently, then we would roll

976
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,960
that inspection over as a reciprocity.

977
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,560
So you wouldn't have to have a second

978
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,840
inspection that we've already seen the

979
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,560
unit on.

980
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,950
>> Okay. So you would have to apply. You

981
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:52,960
» Okay. So you would have to apply. You

982
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,400
just would need an inspection

983
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:55,990
>> potentially. Correct. But again, if I

984
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:56,000
» potentially. Correct. But again, if I

985
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,640
wanted to do my house and I don't have a

986
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,320
license, I would have to have an

987
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,080
inspection, apply and have an inspection

988
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,199
done.

989
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:03,830
>> That's correct.

990
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:03,840
» That's correct.

991
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,149
>> Correct. Um, and then I know there's a

992
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:06,159
» Correct. Um, and then I know there's a

993
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:08,400
lot of questions about the two things

994
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,400
we're passing tonight don't do not

995
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,560
contain an end date on them.

996
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:13,189
>> That's correct.

997
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:13,199
» That's correct.

998
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,070
>> And um, tell us what we should do if we

999
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:16,080
» And um, tell us what we should do if we

1000
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,520
want an end date on these.

1001
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,270
>> We would recommend an end date on those.

1002
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:19,280
» We would recommend an end date on those.

1003
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,199
And what we have prepared was the second

1004
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:22,640
stage of this as we noted in the first

1005
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,400
one is the initiation of a text

1006
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,960
amendment to put the code back as it was

1007
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,679
with an effective date on July 31st to

1008
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:32,080
kind of rewind it to what it is tonight

1009
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,159
effectively. Um so that we were going to

1010
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:35,360
recommend that we're going to bring an

1011
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,040
initiation forward on that one. However,

1012
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,120
you can also recommend or excuse me, you

1013
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,960
can also initiate that text amendment

1014
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,080
tonight if you would like to just to

1015
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,440
kind of close that loop and get that

1016
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:45,840
process rolling on that. Um, we were

1017
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,640
anticipating July 31 only because it was

1018
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,239
the end of a calendar month and it was

1019
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:51,840
also at past the conclusion of all the

1020
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,440
World Cup events. So, if somebody wanted

1021
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,971
to stay in town after the events

1022
01:14:55,971 --> 01:14:57,120
[clears throat] in Kansas City were

1023
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,560
concluded, that gave them some time and

1024
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,320
space for people to en enjoy the area

1025
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,640
and see some different sites, but there

1026
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,960
is no real particular ending date that

1027
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,320
you could choose from any number of

1028
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,360
dates on that.

1029
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,110
>> But we could go ahead tonight and make

1030
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:09,120
» But we could go ahead tonight and make

1031
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,120
that motion to initiate to to have an

1032
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:11,840
end date.

1033
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:12,550
>> Absolutely.

1034
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:12,560
» Absolutely.

1035
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,070
>> Okay. And uh Okay. Well, those are just

1036
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:16,080
» Okay. And uh Okay. Well, those are just

1037
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,360
some of the clarifications. I know

1038
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,960
people are asking other questions for

1039
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,880
Jeff at this time.

1040
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,990
>> I I do um

1041
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:24,000
» I I do um

1042
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,239
explain some differences to me on owner

1043
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:32,239
occupied versus nonowner occupied, the

1044
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,400
intent behind

1045
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,159
uh the difference in fee costs, etc. The

1046
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:39,600
spirit of it. Can you kind of walk

1047
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,520
through that a little bit?

1048
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,840
I think I I think I can try. There is no

1049
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,199
difference in fees between an owner

1050
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:46,719
occupied and a non-owner occupied

1051
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:47,520
short-term rental.

1052
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:47,990
>> Okay.

1053
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:48,000
» Okay.

1054
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,990
>> So, it's just if you're applying for a

1055
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:50,000
» So, it's just if you're applying for a

1056
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,280
short-term rental, you're usually

1057
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,719
applying for the application, the

1058
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:54,400
inspection fee, and those are the the

1059
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,040
same regardless of of owner occupancy or

1060
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:57,920
not in that process.

1061
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:58,709
>> Okay. Thank you for that.

1062
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:58,719
» Okay. Thank you for that.

1063
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:02,390
>> So, owner occupancy is depends upon um

1064
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:02,400
» So, owner occupancy is depends upon um

1065
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,679
is it your primary residence?

1066
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:05,600
effectively for a short version of a of

1067
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,280
a long definition. It's effectively if

1068
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,239
you're spending the majority of your

1069
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:09,760
time in the residence and it's your your

1070
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,360
place of residence and you're renting it

1071
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,239
out as a short-term rental. And so, um,

1072
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:15,600
a great example would be, and we've seen

1073
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,320
this happen where a professor gets a,

1074
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,800
uh, sbatical or tenorship at another

1075
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,480
university and they rent the house for

1076
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,239
three months because they're here to

1077
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,719
either participate in function or

1078
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:28,239
something like that. They're not

1079
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,320
necessarily vacating the residence, but

1080
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,920
they're also not going to be there. So

1081
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,960
they can elect to do that process. Um so

1082
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,719
really if the property is non-owner

1083
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:38,159
occupied as a function of the land

1084
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:39,600
development code on where it is

1085
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,679
permissible to do a non-owner occupied

1086
01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:43,679
short-term rental where it just depends

1087
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:45,199
in certain districts you can do an owner

1088
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,360
occupied and others you can't just do

1089
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,960
those. So it's really the change in the

1090
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,040
occupancy for land use purposes.

1091
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,070
>> Okay. And then um last I think last

1092
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:54,080
» Okay. And then um last I think last

1093
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,080
question

1094
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,960
two parts. How are we doing on PE

1095
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,360
keeping up on inspections

1096
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,280
in terms of these short-term rentals

1097
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,239
now? And how are are we setting

1098
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,480
ourselves up for failure if we're having

1099
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:11,679
a tough time today? Um, which I have

1100
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:13,679
heard. I haven't gotten any confirmation

1101
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:16,800
from staff one way or the other, but uh

1102
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,600
we stand to have a lot of shortterm

1103
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,760
rentals come up. How are we going to

1104
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,640
handle that uh that burden that

1105
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,880
additional burden of inspection?

1106
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,310
>> Sure. And if I understand your question,

1107
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:28,320
» Sure. And if I understand your question,

1108
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,760
are are we caught up on inspections

1109
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:30,640
currently? For sure.

1110
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,790
>> Yes. Are we managing the inspections

1111
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:32,800
» Yes. Are we managing the inspections

1112
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,480
today in a timely manner?

1113
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:35,189
>> We are. Yes.

1114
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:35,199
» We are. Yes.

1115
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:35,669
>> Okay.

1116
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:35,679
» Okay.

1117
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:37,110
>> It's not the it's not the same as the

1118
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:37,120
» It's not the it's not the same as the

1119
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,719
long-term rental program which has the

1120
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,400
three or the six year depending upon the

1121
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,400
number of violations. To be in the

1122
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:43,760
short-term rental program, you have to

1123
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,360
be inspected and we do that on the in

1124
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:46,880
the interval of every couple years which

1125
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,480
is in the ordinance. So if you have

1126
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,880
that, we are meeting that mark on that.

1127
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,470
>> Uh the reason we have the amendment

1128
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:52,480
» Uh the reason we have the amendment

1129
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:54,239
before you now in January instead of

1130
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:55,679
later on is because that gives us some

1131
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:57,440
time and runway for people to start

1132
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:59,280
applying for the program, be ready to go

1133
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,120
through those inspections. So when the

1134
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:02,719
ordinance becomes effective, they could

1135
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,320
already be well in place to take

1136
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,480
advantage of that process. That also

1137
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:08,239
gives our staff time to start inspecting

1138
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:09,840
those units in advance of that to help

1139
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,360
make sure that we're not holding anybody

1140
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,040
back on that. And we do have a great

1141
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,400
team that does go out and do those

1142
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,560
inspections. And so they are up to speed

1143
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,239
and up to date on those items currently.

1144
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:19,600
We just wanted to give them some runway

1145
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,080
and give applicants time to understand

1146
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,760
what's the expectation the code's going

1147
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,440
to be and then what are those minimum

1148
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:26,800
life safety standards that we would be

1149
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,239
looking for in a property.

1150
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,630
>> Okay. And I love that you guys are

1151
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:30,640
» Okay. And I love that you guys are

1152
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,360
getting ahead of it. That is excellent.

1153
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,239
Are we uh do we have a plan in place on

1154
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,120
notifying folks? Right. Because we give

1155
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,800
them the opportunity. It doesn't mean

1156
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,280
that they necessarily take it to get

1157
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,920
their application in early. Last thing I

1158
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,199
want is for us to have an overload and

1159
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,440
and you guys are kind of caught off

1160
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:53,120
guard. Do we have anything that we can

1161
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,400
do to let people know, hey yo yo, get

1162
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,520
your stuff going now?

1163
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,709
>> Absolutely. We've been working with

1164
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:58,719
» Absolutely. We've been working with

1165
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:00,400
communications to get some frequently

1166
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,159
asked questions together. Some of the

1167
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:03,520
things we normally get is just part of

1168
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:04,960
the process, but then also kind of a

1169
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,400
campaign to kind of help. Here's what's

1170
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:07,600
happening. Here's what you can do.

1171
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,679
Here's who to reach out to. Okay. We're

1172
01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:11,360
on the same same wavelength on that

1173
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:11,760
part.

1174
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,430
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

1175
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:13,440
» Okay, great. Thank you.

1176
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:15,830
>> And I think as a followup to that

1177
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:15,840
» And I think as a followup to that

1178
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,600
question, at least my understanding

1179
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,840
there might be some discussion among

1180
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,480
unified command on the housing division

1181
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,280
with explore Lawrence and you and all

1182
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,719
that to do some public education on on

1183
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:31,440
what it means to be an Airbnb holder and

1184
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,719
things, not just regulations, but how

1185
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:36,320
you do it, how do you be successful at

1186
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,600
it, that sort of thing. that is. Yeah,

1187
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,719
that's exactly some of the stuff that

1188
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:40,000
we're working on. And I will be the

1189
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,600
first to admit I'm probably not the most

1190
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,120
knowledgeable on how to be successful at

1191
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,199
a short-term rental. Um, but we

1192
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:46,320
definitely want to help get people

1193
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,080
connected to those that are and and make

1194
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,360
that available. And that is part of the

1195
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,280
process that we're working on.

1196
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,630
>> Yeah.

1197
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:52,640
» Yeah.

1198
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,910
>> Um, just as to help communications out,

1199
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:55,920
» Um, just as to help communications out,

1200
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,080
if if I wanted a short-term rental,

1201
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,679
where would I find that? Could I go to

1202
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:01,280
the website? How would I do that?

1203
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:02,870
>> You could definitely go to the website.

1204
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:02,880
» You could definitely go to the website.

1205
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,679
Uh you could also go to EPL portal and

1206
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:07,760
apply for a license on that one and you

1207
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,120
could also give us a phone call at

1208
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,199
8327700

1209
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:12,640
and we'll be able to help out with get

1210
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,320
that process started too. So we always

1211
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:15,520
make sure that we have staff available

1212
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,719
that can answer those calls and help

1213
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:17,760
out.

1214
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,189
>> Thank you. Other questions at the moment

1215
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:21,199
» Thank you. Other questions at the moment

1216
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:23,750
>> and so if an individual person wanted to

1217
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:23,760
» and so if an individual person wanted to

1218
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,199
and apologies for not looking this up

1219
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,719
ahead of time if they wanted to apply

1220
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:28,480
for a short short-term rental how much

1221
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,120
does that cost?

1222
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,400
might have the numbers a little bit off

1223
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,080
here, but usually the application fee is

1224
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,159
around $17 and the inspection fee is

1225
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:38,400
about 50. So, you end up being about $67

1226
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,159
in total an application.

1227
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,709
>> Gotcha. And how many how much how many

1228
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:42,719
» Gotcha. And how many how much how many

1229
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:45,360
people are on staff doing inspections?

1230
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,870
>> We have a team of four in code

1231
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:46,880
» We have a team of four in code

1232
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,400
compliance. We have two specifically

1233
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:49,760
dedicated to both long-term and

1234
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,600
short-term rental inspections. And they

1235
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,120
go through quite a number of properties

1236
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,719
and they've seen a number over the

1237
01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:55,360
years.

1238
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,990
>> Gotcha. And I I did look beforehand. So,

1239
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:58,000
» Gotcha. And I I did look beforehand. So,

1240
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,960
we have 140 homes on Verbbo. We got 168

1241
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,040
on Airbnb and so that team is doing

1242
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,679
those inspections on a regular basis

1243
01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:07,350
>> as they're licensed and required to.

1244
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:07,360
» as they're licensed and required to.

1245
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,550
Yes.

1246
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,640
» I'll just note that I am in favor adding

1247
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,520
the end date tonight getting it closing

1248
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,199
that loop as you called it.

1249
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:19,430
>> Yeah, same.

1250
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:19,440
» Yeah, same.

1251
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:20,950
>> Yes.

1252
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:20,960
» Yes.

1253
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,360
But other questions at this point? And

1254
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,520
then the status of the the short-term

1255
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:26,880
rentals, if we put an end date on it,

1256
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,480
they're no longer short-term rentals

1257
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:31,199
after that fact. It would be what they

1258
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:32,880
are right now. They if they wanted to,

1259
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,400
they could go through the process again

1260
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,239
like they could right now, but they

1261
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:37,920
wouldn't like carry over after going

1262
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:38,640
through this,

1263
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,630
>> right? Yeah. We would have that you'd be

1264
01:21:40,630 --> 01:21:40,640
» right? Yeah. We would have that you'd be

1265
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,239
licensed for the duration of those 60

1266
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,320
odd days, give or take a few in there.

1267
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,679
And then if you wanted to come back and

1268
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:51,840
do it as a more uh permanent or a more

1269
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,199
uh constant item there, you could go

1270
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:54,560
through the normal process which has

1271
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,080
about a 2-year expiration if I remember

1272
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,239
correctly. Is there any concern,

1273
01:21:58,239 --> 01:21:59,840
especially on the apartment side of

1274
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,430
things, that

1275
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,199
people may be blocked from getting

1276
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:07,920
rentals in this period because there'd

1277
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,080
be such a lucrative opportunity with

1278
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,960
this with the World Cup. It's something

1279
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,719
we've been watching for a good number of

1280
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:16,239
months right now to understand what that

1281
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:18,000
dynamic is. And it's kind of hard to pin

1282
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,440
down since it's usually a contractual

1283
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,600
arrangement between two private parties,

1284
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,520
but we've not seen a lot of people

1285
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,239
shifting their kind of their dates

1286
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:27,920
around. So, we're seeing very similar

1287
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,120
lease terms that we would normally see

1288
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,440
in non-World Cup years particularly.

1289
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,440
Again, that might be a possibility or

1290
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,520
some renters may have an interest in

1291
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:36,719
doing that because they don't want to

1292
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:38,800
have to deal with a sublet or pay for

1293
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,080
rent in a property they're not going to

1294
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,600
be in for the duration. And so there

1295
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:42,800
might be some of that, but we're not

1296
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,199
seeing a lot of changes in that leasing

1297
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,600
at this point in time. And usually those

1298
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,360
leases do run from year to year. So we

1299
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,040
would have expected to have seen that,

1300
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,040
you know, kind of in the fall leading up

1301
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,000
to this.

1302
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,709
>> And do you guys code enforcement when

1303
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:58,719
» And do you guys code enforcement when

1304
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:00,080
we're talking enforcement, are you

1305
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,880
cross-checking Airbnb with VBO?

1306
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,709
>> Yes, we do look at that. We also look at

1307
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:04,719
» Yes, we do look at that. We also look at

1308
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:06,239
a couple of other platforms that we see

1309
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:07,520
pretty active in the community, too.

1310
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,790
>> Okay, great.

1311
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:10,800
» Okay, great.

1312
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,159
Okay, if there's no other questions,

1313
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,080
thank you, Jeff. We'll open this up to

1314
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,320
um public and you have three minutes.

1315
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,750
>> Uh my name is Aaron Nice 66049. Um I am

1316
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:21,760
» Uh my name is Aaron Nice 66049. Um I am

1317
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,760
here today as a resident, landlord, and

1318
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,480
an Airbnb operator. Um I don't believe

1319
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,719
that the city should relax uh

1320
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:30,400
requirements or ordinances for the World

1321
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,520
Cup. We do have insufficient transient

1322
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,679
housing for large KU games, all the

1323
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:36,960
other sports events that are housed

1324
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,040
here. To me, this really feels like it's

1325
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,159
going to be a cash grab for the

1326
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,480
corporate owner corporate owned

1327
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:44,159
apartment complexes, especially places

1328
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,560
like the Lynx who they can just stop.

1329
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,960
They can start denying new leases during

1330
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,280
till now until the World Cup just so

1331
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:52,960
that they're close. Everyone's going to

1332
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,719
want to stay towards Rockchock Park,

1333
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:57,120
close to I7, everything. I think it's

1334
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,159
just going to be a handout to

1335
01:23:58,159 --> 01:23:59,600
corporations and not people that

1336
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,000
actually live in the city. Um, I also

1337
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,239
worry about enforcement once the period

1338
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:06,800
is ended. Who's going to go? Like, if

1339
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,199
these people just leave it open, what's

1340
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:10,480
going to stop them from just keeping

1341
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,400
their Airbnb going? It's going to take

1342
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,560
forever. If there's a flood of new

1343
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,000
short-term rentals, it's going to take

1344
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,920
forever for the city to get around and

1345
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,239
check everybody, actually enforce the

1346
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:23,040
ordinances. Um, so I just don't think

1347
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,920
that also I think that it's going to

1348
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,440
limit housing for people who live here.

1349
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,679
Also, it's going to take anybody whose

1350
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:31,679
lease is about due. Landlords aren't

1351
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:33,040
going to be renting to them. like if

1352
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,800
there your lease is up the next month,

1353
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,400
landlord is just going to hold that

1354
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,040
empty until the World Cup comes hoping

1355
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,800
that they'll get a windfall of money

1356
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,280
from that and these people that are

1357
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,600
moving or even if their lease is ending

1358
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,880
and the landlord just decides to not

1359
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,400
renew, they're not going to be able to

1360
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,920
find housing in town. So, I think it's a

1361
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,719
bad decision to lack the ordinances for

1362
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,400
that short period. we have the

1363
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,199
infrastructure here already and I just

1364
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:00,800
and I don't see any planning on how to

1365
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,960
actually enforce shutting these new

1366
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,239
short-term short-term rentals down. So I

1367
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:07,840
I would hope the city would not go

1368
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,400
through with this and at least think

1369
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:11,840
about the ramifications to the actual

1370
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,440
citizens before they follow through

1371
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,440
rather than this imaginary windfall

1372
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:18,159
that's not guaranteed to come.

1373
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:19,030
>> Thank you.

1374
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:19,040
» Thank you.

1375
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:29,030
>> Thank you.

1376
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,440
Hi, my name is Sheri Ellen Becker. I

1377
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:35,120
live on Holiday Drive 66049.

1378
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,520
And um thank you for the opportunity.

1379
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,920
You know, people really care about this

1380
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,679
issue because it's their homes and their

1381
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:46,239
neighborhoods that you're talking about.

1382
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:47,760
I think you guys hear, you know,

1383
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,320
short-term rental, you know, adding

1384
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,520
extra hotel space, and we hear

1385
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,080
neighborhood invasion, and there's a

1386
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:00,480
real dichotomy of how people the the

1387
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:02,639
basic way that they approach this

1388
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:06,000
situation. And where we are right now is

1389
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,639
the result of a lot of hard work on the

1390
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:10,560
part of the staff and the city

1391
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,800
commission to get to the rules that we

1392
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,560
have now. Right now we have some modicum

1393
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,960
of enforcement in that the application

1394
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,120
says do you apply for non non-owner

1395
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,840
occupied or owner occupied but that's up

1396
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,080
to you to say what you want and there's

1397
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,639
no real teeth in that application. And I

1398
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,120
can show you applications from half a

1399
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,880
dozen other cities where you've got to

1400
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:42,480
show voter registration or um insurance

1401
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:44,480
vehicle, you know, insurance vehicles

1402
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:46,560
and other things that prove that you

1403
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,239
really live there because I know there's

1404
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,760
one in my neighborhood and I've gone

1405
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,239
there with my missing cat flyers looking

1406
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,320
for Charlie and they say, "This is an

1407
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,480
Airbnb lady. Nobody lives here." And but

1408
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,639
that's that's not what we're here to

1409
01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:02,000
talk about tonight. We're talking about

1410
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,280
this temporary need during when we are

1411
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,679
going to see increased visitors during

1412
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:10,800
the World Cup time. And I think even if

1413
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,560
you're in the neighborhood invasion

1414
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,159
camp, you still understand that need.

1415
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:19,600
But we we don't understand why there's

1416
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,560
no sunset on it, why that can't be in

1417
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,159
the ordinance. I mean, it seems to me

1418
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:28,239
that if you really were going to sunset

1419
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,320
it, you could figure out a way to put it

1420
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,520
in there. And and it comes down,

1421
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,480
unfortunately, to trust.

1422
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:38,880
You know, sometimes the commission says

1423
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,600
things and then years later or sometime

1424
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,120
later they'll say, "Well, we said it,

1425
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,520
but it's not codified,

1426
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,000
so it doesn't really mean anything."

1427
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,719
Those were words and these are actions.

1428
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:53,520
So, I'm asking you to put it into action

1429
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,639
and put the sunset clause into this so

1430
01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:59,760
we can rest easy. And thank you.

1431
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:10,550
>> Thank you.

1432
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,199
» Christina McKenna 66046

1433
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:14,639
um for the Coalition for Collaborative

1434
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:16,960
Governments. Uh we we're submitting

1435
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,320
feedback based on information we've

1436
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:19,760
gathered from several neighborhood

1437
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,199
advocates who have been involved in the

1438
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:22,960
city's short-term rental policy

1439
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,040
development and enforcement. The two

1440
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,639
amendments before you tonight include

1441
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:28,719
temporary provisions. Only one of two

1442
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:31,440
agenda items reports states the dates as

1443
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,360
Mayor Finkel mentioned and Mr. Crook

1444
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,760
verified. So we're just suggesting that

1445
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,480
um a nice deadline is actually in put in

1446
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:40,639
place as well. We're agreeing with that.

1447
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:41,920
Um, the second half of one of these

1448
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,360
amendments applies to 11 zoning

1449
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,639
districts and the planning commission

1450
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:46,000
report states it'll be a permanent

1451
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,639
amendment. The agenda item report

1452
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:50,000
includes no information about the

1453
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,600
reasoning and impact of that portion of

1454
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,840
it. So, we request that you discuss any

1455
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,520
implications of the permanent change

1456
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,639
before passing that ordinance. Um, also

1457
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:01,280
as a historical context, two ordinances

1458
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,199
were passed in October of 2020 to

1459
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,280
prohibit non-owner occupied short-term

1460
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,040
rentals and single dwelling residential

1461
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,520
zones to protect neighborhoods. It

1462
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,440
allowed non-owner occupied ones in other

1463
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,280
zoning districts with licensing. It also

1464
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,040
established a general cap of three units

1465
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,360
per owner. And the Lawrence Association

1466
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:18,719
of Neighborhoods has spent years

1467
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:20,960
advocating for robust short-term rental

1468
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,360
licensing and inspection program. During

1469
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:24,400
these conversations, the city

1470
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:25,520
acknowledged they didn't have the

1471
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,040
adequate staff, which I know was

1472
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,440
commented on tonight, um to monitor the

1473
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,679
complaints or enforce regulations or

1474
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:33,920
violations of the rental regulations.

1475
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,040
So, the city approved the better

1476
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:36,719
sheeting for one and a half additional

1477
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:38,960
staff positions, but they weren't

1478
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,880
filled. So, it's nice to hear that

1479
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,080
they're ahead on these inspections. Um,

1480
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,679
we did have a coalition member with an

1481
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:47,440
owner occupied short-term rental report

1482
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:49,040
that her owner occupied rentals

1483
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,040
inspected every two years, but she and

1484
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,639
others report the city was unable to

1485
01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:54,480
maintain inspections for apartments,

1486
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,239
which are likely non-owner occupied

1487
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:57,920
units. So, again, that was good to hear

1488
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,560
that those are ahead. actually.

1489
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,480
Um, and a logistical question related to

1490
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,320
the city's inspection requirements, like

1491
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,239
my friend Aaron had mentioned, is how

1492
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,560
would they resend the resin the licenses

1493
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,960
afterward as well as just continuing to

1494
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,639
keep up with the extra inspections that

1495
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:14,639
will be required. Thank you.

1496
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:19,910
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

1497
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,960
» Other comments in the room?

1498
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,350
>> If not, oh,

1499
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:25,360
» If not, oh,

1500
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,830
>> sorry, Mayor. Thank you. Yes,

1501
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:27,840
» sorry, Mayor. Thank you. Yes,

1502
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,030
>> I didn't hear all of that,

1503
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:29,040
» I didn't hear all of that,

1504
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,667
unfortunately.

1505
01:30:30,667 --> 01:30:35,440
[clears throat] Um, so I I I

1506
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:38,880
do want to say that um it's interesting

1507
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,320
that we might consider um

1508
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,679
uh a rep reprieve for regular

1509
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:48,960
homeowners. Um,

1510
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,560
as much as I appreciate staff's

1511
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,159
comments, neighborhoods know that there

1512
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:57,679
are already short-term rentals that are

1513
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:00,400
um, illegal, quote unquote, or not

1514
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:04,400
lawful outside of policy. Um, I

1515
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,159
appreciate what Commissioner Courtney

1516
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,480
asked, which is about Verbbo. If I

1517
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:10,480
understand Verbbo, Verbbo is

1518
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:14,639
specifically non-owner occupied. So, um,

1519
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:16,560
if you're seeing non-owner occupied on

1520
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,040
Verbbo, then you have to look at each

1521
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,520
individual one and find out what their,

1522
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,320
um, zoning is, and I appreciate what

1523
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,080
staff has said, but again, they only

1524
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,480
have four people in code enforcement,

1525
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,600
and and it is unclear to neighborhoods,

1526
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,600
um, that that is being enforced at this

1527
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:37,040
time. Um, I think it's great for

1528
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,840
homeowners to have a one-time windfall

1529
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:44,000
um for this option when it comes around,

1530
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,880
but again, as some others have said, we

1531
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,639
don't have a guarantee of a sunset.

1532
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:53,360
Could this be uh a backdoor into uh

1533
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,480
creating an opportunity for these to

1534
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,880
basically remove affordable housing and

1535
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,000
accessible housing um people in big

1536
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:07,360
cities or cities with um uh a large

1537
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,960
amount of transient guest tax to pull

1538
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,360
actual housing offline. So I hope you

1539
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,159
guys will think about that. I would also

1540
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:18,800
remind everyone that [snorts] if you

1541
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,000
stay in housing more than 30 days, you

1542
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,400
don't actually get the uh transient gas

1543
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,480
tax. So, um while it's nice that we're

1544
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:30,719
having all these nice visitors after 30

1545
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:32,800
days, we're not getting transient gas

1546
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,960
tax. Uh the people who have those units,

1547
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,480
they'll get money. That's fine. They'll

1548
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,239
pay their taxes, but we're not getting

1549
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:42,800
transient gas tax out of it. Thank you.

1550
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:47,350
Thank you. Other

1551
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,080
comments in the room? If not, how about

1552
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:50,719
online?

1553
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:53,449
>> We do have a few

1554
01:32:53,449 --> 01:32:53,459
» We do have a few

1555
01:32:53,459 --> 01:33:05,189
[clears throat]

1556
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:10,629
» Julie Jones.

1557
01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:24,234
» Julie, we can't hear you.

1558
01:33:24,244 --> 01:33:27,510
» [snorts]

1559
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,794
» I still can't hear you.

1560
01:33:30,794 --> 01:33:34,310
[laughter]

1561
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,719
» Brian Enez, why don't you say something

1562
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:38,560
just to make sure we can hear hear

1563
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,590
somebody?

1564
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:42,639
Can you hear me?

1565
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:44,550
>> Okay, we can hear you.

1566
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:44,560
» Okay, we can hear you.

1567
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:45,189
>> Okay,

1568
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:45,199
» Okay,

1569
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:46,709
>> thank you. Just checking.

1570
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:46,719
» thank you. Just checking.

1571
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:48,870
>> Just just FYI while you got me real

1572
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:48,880
» Just just FYI while you got me real

1573
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,199
quick, mayor. I'm just online to answer

1574
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:53,760
any questions that um may be deferred to

1575
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,000
me that Jeff may not have the answer to.

1576
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,830
>> Yep. We'll we'll get to you back in a

1577
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:57,840
» Yep. We'll we'll get to you back in a

1578
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,239
second. Julie, one more try there. If

1579
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:01,600
not, we might go to someone else and

1580
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:02,560
then come back to you and give you

1581
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,080
another chance. Okay, let's go to the

1582
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,120
others and then we'll come back to

1583
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:18,950
Julie. Okay.

1584
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:25,990
Chris Flowers.

1585
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,400
» Hi. Uh, this is Chris Flowers. Um,

1586
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,800
I just want to start with how will this

1587
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,440
affect long-term rentals? Has staff

1588
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:38,639
studied that? Um, cuz I'm going to ask

1589
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:40,719
you this. Will the need for long-term

1590
01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:43,600
rentals decrease at all? Cuz I'm going

1591
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,560
to say no. The the need for long-term

1592
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,880
renters is going to be the same. And

1593
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,239
what's what's the purpose of having caps

1594
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:56,080
on how many uh short-term rentals a land

1595
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,199
loaner land owner can own? I thought the

1596
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:01,360
purpose of that was to protect the

1597
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,600
long-term rental market. So now the

1598
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,520
demand, we're saying, well, the demand

1599
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,600
for short-term rentals is going to

1600
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,719
increase, but the demand for long-term

1601
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:15,280
rentals isn't going to decrease at all.

1602
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,679
And how is it I I I just I don't

1603
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:22,480
understand. Like the need for short-term

1604
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:24,560
rentals is going to be at an all-time

1605
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,000
high. So doesn't that mean the need for

1606
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,239
protection for long-term rentals is

1607
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,880
going to be at its highest? Like why are

1608
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,400
you doing away with the protection just

1609
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,280
when the the pe the long-term renters

1610
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:40,880
are going to need the protection the

1611
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,679
most? I looked it up and it's saying

1612
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:45,280
some of the like some of these

1613
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,440
short-term rentals are going to go for

1614
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:50,719
300% more than they would normal during

1615
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:52,719
the World Cup. And the short-term

1616
01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:55,600
rentals are already much more than

1617
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,520
long-term rentals are. So you're going

1618
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,520
to have situations where it's going to

1619
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,920
be more

1620
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,560
landlords could possibly make more money

1621
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,159
just renting out a a unit for a month

1622
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:10,639
during World Cup than they would uh

1623
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:12,560
doing it as a long-term rental for the

1624
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,960
summer. And my first place I rented at

1625
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,960
was Metobrook. And it was when I was

1626
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,239
coming out of the dorm housing and I

1627
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:22,480
signed up for a summer rental for and it

1628
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:25,040
was until August. It was like end of May

1629
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:29,040
till like June and July. like could

1630
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,600
Meadow Brook start like their the units

1631
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,120
they rent for the summer, could they

1632
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,960
just not rent it out to Lawrence

1633
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,480
residents and instead give it to uh the

1634
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:41,600
visitors? Cuz if that's going to happen,

1635
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,520
it's going to definitely increase the

1636
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:48,560
rents. And so my main question is, has

1637
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,440
staff looked at what the the what's

1638
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:53,360
going to happen to the long-term rental

1639
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,600
market? Because if not, how are you

1640
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,679
going to go through with this when the

1641
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:01,199
whole purpose of these like the the caps

1642
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,000
on the short-term rental units is to

1643
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,480
protect the long-term rental market? And

1644
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,119
I don't know, it's just it's kind of

1645
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:11,520
it's kind of shady to me to be honest

1646
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,679
that you're not going to have any kind

1647
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:17,119
of info on what we potentially think's

1648
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:19,280
going to happen to the long-term rental

1649
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,280
market when you're doing away with a

1650
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,280
protection to that market. And also, I

1651
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,960
would just like to point out, I don't

1652
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,199
think this was a city commission thing

1653
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:31,440
brought like

1654
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,440
originally directive. I think this is

1655
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,280
something city staff came up with their

1656
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,840
own with on their own and what they're

1657
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,560
doing is doing away with those

1658
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,560
protections that a former city

1659
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,280
commission did put in place. So, I'm

1660
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,600
throwing that out there. Um,

1661
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:48,470
>> thank you, Chris.

1662
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:48,480
» thank you, Chris.

1663
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,550
>> Thank you.

1664
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,560
» Let's see. Julie can see if we can hear

1665
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:57,920
Julie real quick.

1666
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:03,750
>> Yeah, she's still in. Well, she does.

1667
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,040
Okay.

1668
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:06,629
>> Why' you bring Mr. Watts over?

1669
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:06,639
» Why' you bring Mr. Watts over?

1670
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:23,750
>> Yep.

1671
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,440
Thank you. It's also impressive to know,

1672
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,679
Brad, that you can actually see people's

1673
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:31,760
hands raised. So, in the future, I'm

1674
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,840
going to know when I'm being wholly

1675
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,028
ignored.

1676
01:38:36,028 --> 01:38:36,560
[gasps]

1677
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:40,159
Here we go. Now, I want to let Mr. Crick

1678
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:43,679
know that his operation is topnotch. I

1679
01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:45,679
mean, they do the best they can with

1680
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:49,760
what they have in an extremely

1681
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,280
poperri of programs and there's really

1682
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,679
nothing to argue about in there. And the

1683
01:38:55,679 --> 01:38:57,840
same can be said for Mr. Gimenez's

1684
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,239
operation which I have found to be

1685
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:03,119
extremely responsive once you get to

1686
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:06,159
somebody that you you know it takes a

1687
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,239
little while but irrespective they're

1688
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:10,400
doing the best they can with what they

1689
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,840
have and I have no reason to assume that

1690
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,400
it's going to be any different when this

1691
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,520
uh uh windfall [clears throat] of the

1692
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,679
World Cup comes to Lawrence. What are

1693
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:23,600
you guys going to do when it doesn't

1694
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,159
turn out exactly as you want? I don't

1695
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,800
know. Let's hope that it does. But my

1696
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,600
main comment was on it centers around

1697
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,360
the the commenter there in your office

1698
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,440
or there in the whatever you call it

1699
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:45,280
room talking about stuff. Um there's a

1700
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:48,239
leash ordinance about cats. Why is your

1701
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:51,440
cat running around outside

1702
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,520
unprotected?

1703
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,920
Please put your cat on a leash. Thank

1704
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,950
you.

1705
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,320
» Okay, Julie, we'll give you one more

1706
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:11,669
chance here. See if we can hear you.

1707
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:14,159
» Here. I'm going to try moving her back

1708
01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:16,560
and then back in if that helps. It

1709
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,119
should just take a less than a minute.

1710
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:20,709
>> Okay, let's [snorts] give that a try.

1711
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:20,719
» Okay, let's [snorts] give that a try.

1712
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:24,094
>> That will help if anything.

1713
01:40:24,094 --> 01:40:24,104
» That will help if anything.

1714
01:40:24,104 --> 01:40:44,399
>> [clears throat]

1715
01:40:44,409 --> 01:41:10,870
[snorts]

1716
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,320
» Unfortunately, we cannot hear you,

1717
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:16,080
Julie. Sorry about that.

1718
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,679
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um, bring it back

1719
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:22,719
to the commission for for questions or

1720
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:25,280
comments. And Jeff or Brian, I both

1721
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,440
here. I have a couple questions for you.

1722
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:31,199
Um Jeff probably for you first which is

1723
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,119
um

1724
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:34,719
there's a reference to part of the

1725
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:36,400
amendment being permanent as opposed to

1726
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,440
temporary. Um can you speak to that?

1727
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:41,669
>> So one of the things we've excuse me one

1728
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:41,679
» So one of the things we've excuse me one

1729
01:41:41,679 --> 01:41:42,800
of the things we identified during the

1730
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,400
land development code cleanup is the

1731
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:45,600
table that is currently in the land

1732
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,199
development code is incorrect. And so

1733
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:49,920
what we were proposing to do was to

1734
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,520
change for the World Cup here and then

1735
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,119
bring back the amendment to correct that

1736
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:54,719
table as part of the cleanup amendment.

1737
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:56,719
However, the timing of that really puts

1738
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:58,159
a wrench in in a couple of things

1739
01:41:58,159 --> 01:41:59,199
because we would do the cleanup

1740
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:00,639
amendment, then have an amendment that

1741
01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:02,400
would undo it, and then potentially have

1742
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:03,520
another amendment that would have to

1743
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,119
come back and get that all replaced. So,

1744
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:06,400
instead of doing that as part of the

1745
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,159
cleanup amendment, we're going to do

1746
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:09,679
that as the follow-up as part of that

1747
01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:11,600
initiated amendment to put everything

1748
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,520
back, but then put it back in the way

1749
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:14,800
that it should be in the code, not in

1750
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:16,765
the error that we've identified. So,

1751
01:42:16,765 --> 01:42:17,360
[laughter]

1752
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:18,229
>> it's a little complex. I

1753
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:18,239
» it's a little complex. I

1754
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:19,430
>> think we followed that. It's yeah, a

1755
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:19,440
» think we followed that. It's yeah, a

1756
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:20,639
little complex on the timing, but we

1757
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:22,239
wanted to make it as easy to follow as

1758
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:23,679
possible and also ensure that we didn't

1759
01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:25,440
inadvertently put the mistake back into

1760
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:26,800
the code when we were trying to put the

1761
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,840
code back to its right spot. So, we did

1762
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,199
identify an error in there. We would

1763
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:32,560
like to clean it up after we get the

1764
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,800
World Cup amendment through the process.

1765
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:36,239
So, the amendment we bring back would be

1766
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:38,320
the version for the cleanup of the land

1767
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:39,760
development code to get that corrected

1768
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:40,320
for you.

1769
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,310
>> Okay. So would you suggest we assuming

1770
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:44,320
» Okay. So would you suggest we assuming

1771
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,800
and I think I hear that at least three

1772
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,600
of us want to make a motion tonight to

1773
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,840
initiate a text amendment on a given

1774
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,159
date. Would we initiate the check text

1775
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:57,440
amendment to return it um at the same

1776
01:42:57,440 --> 01:42:59,040
time initiate text amendment for the

1777
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,239
cleanup? I would recommend initiating an

1778
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:04,400
amendment to

1779
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,400
restore the code with the with cleaned

1780
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:07,920
up text. And that'll give us enough

1781
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,639
direction to put the chapter 5 text back

1782
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:12,960
as it currently is, but allows us the

1783
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,639
opportunity to put the chapter 20 text

1784
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,080
back as it should have been that we've

1785
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,080
identified as as needing cleaned up.

1786
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,350
>> So, restore the code with the cleanup

1787
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:21,360
» So, restore the code with the cleanup

1788
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:21,840
text

1789
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,189
>> if if that would be the commission's

1790
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:23,199
» if if that would be the commission's

1791
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:24,880
prerogative. Yes. Mhm.

1792
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,830
>> And then we can decide what the date is

1793
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:27,840
» And then we can decide what the date is

1794
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,400
if it's if we agree on July 31st or some

1795
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:31,040
other date.

1796
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:31,910
>> Absolutely. Yes.

1797
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:31,920
» Absolutely. Yes.

1798
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,149
>> Okay. So, we'll include a date in that

1799
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:34,159
» Okay. So, we'll include a date in that

1800
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:37,360
in that motion. Um

1801
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,679
obviously a concern about um was raised

1802
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:42,639
from some of the speakers about after

1803
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:45,840
this is over and the law changes um how

1804
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,320
do we go about revoking these licenses

1805
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,320
or checking to see if they're still

1806
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:51,679
going? How would we do that? the

1807
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,119
licenses [clears throat] are that kind

1808
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:54,560
of the short short-term rental license

1809
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:55,679
again for the lack of a better

1810
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:57,760
description. They expire on the ending

1811
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,600
date. And so at that point, they don't

1812
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,199
have a short-term rental license when it

1813
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,520
goes to expiration. They could apply for

1814
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,119
a new short-term rental license. And if

1815
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:06,880
they don't go for that, then we would go

1816
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,320
through the notice and order procedures

1817
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:10,960
in the code to have that affixed in the

1818
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:12,960
code. Should be go to courts if

1819
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,639
necessary and those kind of things. But

1820
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:16,159
when they're licensed and we know that,

1821
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:17,600
we can also then follow up a little

1822
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,040
easier as part of that process to know

1823
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,480
who is a part of that short-term

1824
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:23,920
process. So, my apologies. My part of

1825
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,480
the shortterm rental license process. I

1826
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:27,440
got to find a much better way of

1827
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:28,400
phrasing that. I apologize.

1828
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,950
>> STR STR,

1829
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:30,960
» STR STR,

1830
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:32,070
>> but it goes through that kind of a

1831
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:32,080
» but it goes through that kind of a

1832
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,000
limited process. There we go. Um, then

1833
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,040
if they're in the part of the the

1834
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:36,719
short-term rental process, it is the the

1835
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:38,639
two-year standard process. That gives us

1836
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:40,880
an opportunity on that. And Brian and

1837
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,480
the team have also been looking at ways

1838
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,400
of how to do that process as the

1839
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,000
closeout procedure. And so we do have a

1840
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:47,199
good working knowledge of what that

1841
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:48,719
would look like from a staff perspective

1842
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:50,000
and also what we would expect

1843
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,159
potentially for going through that

1844
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:54,400
process if somebody is non-compliant at

1845
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,560
the end of the process.

1846
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,629
>> And maybe this is for you or for Brian.

1847
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:58,639
» And maybe this is for you or for Brian.

1848
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:02,159
Um some questions about maybe some

1849
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:04,400
unlicensed short-term windows in town.

1850
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,000
what what's the process we go through to

1851
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,560
try to catch those to to get bring

1852
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:09,760
people into compliance?

1853
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,830
>> So, we always try to go through the

1854
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:11,840
» So, we always try to go through the

1855
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,440
various platforms to see if we can

1856
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:15,840
identify those. We also have people that

1857
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,679
will submit to us through um online

1858
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:21,199
forms, let us know that my neighbor's

1859
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:23,040
got a short-term rental or that. And so,

1860
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,560
as you all know, code compliance works

1861
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,800
on a on a kind of reaction basis on that

1862
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,639
one. We respond to those kind of

1863
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:30,400
concerns when they come up. And we have

1864
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:31,600
a lot of people that do let us know

1865
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,040
about those. So if somebody does have

1866
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:34,560
one of those, they could file it with us

1867
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:35,760
and then we could be able to follow up

1868
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,360
and check on that.

1869
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,030
>> Okay,

1870
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:39,040
» Okay,

1871
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,440
those are my questions. Other questions

1872
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:43,520
for Jeff or

1873
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,390
>> So if if I may, mayor, I'd like to just

1874
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:46,400
» So if if I may, mayor, I'd like to just

1875
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,480
add one a couple comments that Jeff

1876
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:51,119
didn't hit on specifically. We are going

1877
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:54,159
to create a specific case type for these

1878
01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:56,320
Red Bull units during this World Cup

1879
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,119
period of time.

1880
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:02,080
Um so when that date sunsets we will

1881
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,880
have a list of just these licenses that

1882
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,719
were issued for World Cup that we can

1883
01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:09,679
follow up on.

1884
01:46:09,679 --> 01:46:12,390
>> So Brian with sorry go ahead. So Brian,

1885
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:12,400
» So Brian with sorry go ahead. So Brian,

1886
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:15,360
just to follow up on that, if we were,

1887
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:17,520
which I I would like to for the c the

1888
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,679
commission to discuss this with that

1889
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:22,719
sunset, if we were wanting to have

1890
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:24,719
different enforcement fines and

1891
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:26,960
penalties for that,

1892
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,560
um cuz currently the fine or penalty is

1893
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,920
what up to 2500.

1894
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,430
>> Uh don't have the code in front of me. I

1895
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:35,440
» Uh don't have the code in front of me. I

1896
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:36,960
know that was what the longterm is. I

1897
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,040
think the short-term STR followed the

1898
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:40,880
same LTR ordinance. I think that is

1899
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,960
correct. Okay.

1900
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,199
Okay. Thank you.

1901
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,590
>> And Randy turned his camera on, so I

1902
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:47,600
» And Randy turned his camera on, so I

1903
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,960
don't know if he had a comment on that.

1904
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,790
>> Now, this is Randy Lin, deputy city

1905
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:52,800
» Now, this is Randy Lin, deputy city

1906
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,360
attorney. I just wanted to make sure and

1907
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,480
clarify that, you know, we can't sunset

1908
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,800
and repeal without having the ordinances

1909
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,960
already in place because once it's

1910
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,199
repealed, then there won't be anything.

1911
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:06,800
So, we'll have to bring back new

1912
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:09,679
ordinances to uh fix those. We can do

1913
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:11,600
that at any time and make those new

1914
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,080
ordinances effective at the termination

1915
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:18,470
date of this program.

1916
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,880
» So,

1917
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,400
um, if I hear what you're saying, if we

1918
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,560
did want to change something on the

1919
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,679
restored code, we could say bring back a

1920
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:29,119
text amendment that changes the

1921
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:30,960
penalties

1922
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,639
after July 31st. Well, that you know, we

1923
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:36,400
we could there's certain limitations

1924
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,159
regarding the amounts that we can charge

1925
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:39,840
to municipal court. That might be the

1926
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,679
maximum already, but we would look into

1927
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:43,600
that and if we could bring in more, we

1928
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:44,880
we'll we'll bring that to your

1929
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:45,760
attention.

1930
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,109
>> Okay. Well, if it's not necessarily

1931
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:47,119
» Okay. Well, if it's not necessarily

1932
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:48,960
more, if it was wanting us to if we know

1933
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,440
that the max is 25, if we just wanted we

1934
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,239
wanted to also include language that

1935
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:56,960
would revoke any license or sus suspend

1936
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,840
their ability to

1937
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,520
apply for a short-term rental license

1938
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,320
for, let's say, up to a year.

1939
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,790
>> That would not go through the criminal

1940
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:06,800
» That would not go through the criminal

1941
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:08,800
or municipal court. But yes, we could

1942
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,040
include language that if they are in

1943
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:13,040
violation and are found guilty of a

1944
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,119
violation that they would not be able to

1945
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,040
obtain a license for a period of time.

1946
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:18,960
Yes, we could we can put a suspension

1947
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,119
period in that. I believe that may exist

1948
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:21,760
already.

1949
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,990
>> Yeah.

1950
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:24,000
» Yeah.

1951
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,070
>> Okay.

1952
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:26,080
» Okay.

1953
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:27,830
>> Other questions, comments?

1954
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:27,840
» Other questions, comments?

1955
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,629
>> Um I mean the answer is pretty obvious,

1956
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:30,639
» Um I mean the answer is pretty obvious,

1957
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:32,400
but I kind of want to dig into it a

1958
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,719
little bit. What is driving this? Right.

1959
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:36,719
So we obviously are expecting the World

1960
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:40,560
Cup. We're hearing, you know, um, hotels

1961
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:43,600
are booking up in Manhattan already. Um,

1962
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,679
whether whether that's true or not, I've

1963
01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:48,000
certainly not confirmed it. But

1964
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,880
overarching, we want to react to what

1965
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,560
could be a really great um economic

1966
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,639
endeavor, economic development endeavor,

1967
01:48:56,639 --> 01:49:00,159
albeit temporary. Do we have any data

1968
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:03,199
that backs

1969
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:07,760
what to expect as far as people coming

1970
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:13,270
in? Um

1971
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,440
what effects have h what what effects

1972
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:18,080
have the the World Cup specifically or

1973
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,480
maybe even a Super Bowl uh that other

1974
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:23,280
cities have had or are we just saying we

1975
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,239
need more short-term rentals? because I

1976
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:28,800
will tell you my concern

1977
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,560
um is alienating existing

1978
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,520
uh residents for this if we don't know

1979
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,560
for sure what what the benefit will be.

1980
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,480
Um

1981
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:42,159
are there a lot of people asking to turn

1982
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:43,760
their homes into short-term rentals?

1983
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,360
That's another question I have. So, let

1984
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,760
me stop there. See if you have anything

1985
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,480
to respond with. I just threw a lot at

1986
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:50,960
you.

1987
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,390
>> It's okay. I hope I get them I get them

1988
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:52,400
» It's okay. I hope I get them I get them

1989
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,239
back in the right order. I I promise

1990
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:56,239
I'll probably already forgot. [snorts]

1991
01:49:56,239 --> 01:49:59,189
>> So, best the best statistic I've heard

1992
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:59,199
» So, best the best statistic I've heard

1993
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:01,040
for this, it's the World Cup is

1994
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,560
effectively like holding the Super Bowl

1995
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,600
seven times consecutively and it's kind

1996
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,520
of it's in Kansas City and we're in that

1997
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:09,119
radius where people are looking at it.

1998
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:10,800
We'd anticipate there probably going to

1999
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,520
be, you know, since we're very close in

2000
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:14,639
to a lot of area, there's going to be

2001
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:15,840
people of interest that will be, you

2002
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,199
know, going to Kansas City for those

2003
01:50:17,199 --> 01:50:19,280
games and have that interest. And as you

2004
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:20,639
know, Lawrence is also potentially in

2005
01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:22,400
the running for base camp and that would

2006
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,400
be a long-term duration event and people

2007
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,960
tend to want to be around those teams

2008
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,040
when they they have their sites. And so

2009
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:30,159
that is [clears throat] another, you

2010
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:31,760
know, potential interest that we have in

2011
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,040
there. And just knowing the amount of

2012
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:34,480
people coming,

2013
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:35,669
>> you know, we just know we don't have

2014
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:35,679
» you know, we just know we don't have

2015
01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:37,199
enough hospitality rooms that are

2016
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:38,480
potentially there. And so we were

2017
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:40,239
putting this forward as an option for

2018
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:42,239
consideration just as to help

2019
01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:43,360
accommodate some of those different

2020
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:44,719
changes that we might be seeing in the

2021
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:47,920
market. And there's no real good way to

2022
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,239
say that it's going to be this much at

2023
01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:51,840
this kind of an interval. But what we've

2024
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,600
seen in previous examples and the

2025
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:55,040
conversations that you've had is we

2026
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,040
would expect that to be a large [snorts]

2027
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:58,639
amount of people coming to the area for

2028
01:50:58,639 --> 01:50:59,920
a duration.

2029
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:01,590
>> They might be here for a week or two or

2030
01:51:01,590 --> 01:51:01,600
» They might be here for a week or two or

2031
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:02,719
if their team does really well, they

2032
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:04,080
might be here for three or four

2033
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,560
depending upon how it goes. Um so it's

2034
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,239
kind of hard to pin down since there's a

2035
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:09,920
lot of unknown variables. We don't know

2036
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,639
are we a base camp or who that would be.

2037
01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:13,600
But we do know is there's going to be

2038
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:14,960
the games in Kansas City and there's

2039
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:15,920
going to be a lot of people trying to

2040
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:17,520
find accommodation and we're within a

2041
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,119
pretty good driving distance and with

2042
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:20,800
the transportation links that we have to

2043
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,719
Kansas City, it does make us a very

2044
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,351
attractive option for a lot of people.

2045
01:51:24,351 --> 01:51:25,280
[snorts]

2046
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,280
Um I think your third question was about

2047
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:28,560
the alienation of

2048
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,870
>> Well, I I that was kind of a general

2049
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:30,880
» Well, I I that was kind of a general

2050
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,880
comment, right? We have a lot of folks

2051
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,040
that are concerned about these

2052
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,760
short-term rentals and I certainly

2053
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,480
appreciate that for sure. Um, which is

2054
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:42,320
why I would be interested if there are

2055
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:43,840
any penalties that they're actually

2056
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,599
higher than what they would normally be.

2057
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:47,119
Right? If we're going to allow people to

2058
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:51,760
come in and uh disrupt a neighborhood um

2059
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,679
very quickly, very temporarily, I want

2060
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:56,320
to make sure that it the juice is worth

2061
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,719
the squeeze, so to speak, for the city.

2062
01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:00,719
Um, have we reached out and I've

2063
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:02,719
personally been to two Super Bowls, so I

2064
01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:04,960
certainly appreciate what one Super Bowl

2065
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:06,639
does to a community. Have we had

2066
01:52:06,639 --> 01:52:10,320
conversations with any communities

2067
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:14,000
uh that have had major events come in?

2068
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,840
May not have to be the World Cup, but

2069
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,320
we've certainly got parallels to some

2070
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,280
extent specific to short-term rentals

2071
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,800
and how they've responded to it

2072
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,119
because I would like to see that. We've

2073
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:28,320
talked to a lot of communities about

2074
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:29,679
different programs they run and where

2075
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:31,040
I've worked at previously had some

2076
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,040
events that were long duration events

2077
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,719
that were not maybe Super Bowl

2078
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:36,080
equivalent, [snorts] but they were

2079
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:37,199
longer running. And I've had

2080
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:38,639
conversations with my counterparts

2081
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:40,080
there. And they've noted it's very

2082
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,480
similar to what you see during skiing

2083
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:44,719
season in the mountains or if you have a

2084
01:52:44,719 --> 01:52:46,400
beach town, you see kind of a spike

2085
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:47,840
going into the summer months between

2086
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,360
Memorial Day and Labor Day and those

2087
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,199
kind of things. But they also said it's

2088
01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:53,199
it's wildly unpredictable in the

2089
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:54,880
conversation. So it can just depend on

2090
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,119
who, when, where, why, and what the

2091
01:52:57,119 --> 01:52:58,800
market prices are at, if people are even

2092
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,840
interested. So there's not a a good, you

2093
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,599
know, thumb, you can't really get your

2094
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:05,199
thumb on it necessarily all the time.

2095
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:06,480
But they did say is, you know, the

2096
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:08,080
conversations has been that you're going

2097
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:11,840
to see probably increases in people and,

2098
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:13,360
you know, you will see people that will

2099
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:14,719
put things out there that are probably

2100
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:16,400
not safe for habitation. And so if you

2101
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,239
can get ahead of those and have those

2102
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:19,599
inspections and ensure some of that,

2103
01:53:19,599 --> 01:53:21,119
that goes a long way to making sure that

2104
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:24,080
the community is safe overall, too.

2105
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:27,510
>> And I would jump in and say I've been to

2106
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:27,520
» And I would jump in and say I've been to

2107
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,280
involved in quite a few of of the

2108
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,080
meetings related to the World Cup, and

2109
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,119
you know, this is certainly something

2110
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:35,520
I've been asking about for a while now.

2111
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,719
You know, they that the the World Cup um

2112
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:42,480
group out of um um Kansas City that's

2113
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:43,679
leading this effort, and of course, we

2114
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:45,440
have Unified Command working on this.

2115
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,199
They say if we're a base camp, we should

2116
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:51,119
expect 15,000 people to be here. 15,000

2117
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:52,400
is the number we should count on. If

2118
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,239
we're not a base camp, it'd be, you

2119
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:56,560
know, maybe 8 to 10,000.

2120
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,400
And, you know, clearly they think we'll

2121
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,000
be a base camp. We don't know that for

2122
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,400
sure. Um, obviously we've been included

2123
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,719
in the bus route, you know, to have

2124
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:08,480
buses every day. Um, and so, um, you

2125
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:10,320
know, certainly, you know, the demand is

2126
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,199
out there. I would then add that I know

2127
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:15,679
Kansas City, Missouri, Lanexa, Shaune,

2128
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:17,360
they've all passed similar ordinances to

2129
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:20,480
this. Um, we're actually in a a more

2130
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:22,320
unique situation than some of those

2131
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,360
places because we have talking to some

2132
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,280
of the cohorts and and commissioners in

2133
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,199
other places, you know, we have a pretty

2134
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:34,159
strong um July 31st turnover date, which

2135
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:36,239
is different than Lanexo Shaunie or

2136
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:38,800
whatever that some of these concerns

2137
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,440
like that Chris brought up about if

2138
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:46,000
someone has a a long-term unit in Shaune

2139
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,960
coming open in May, do they hold it

2140
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:50,960
waiting for June and July and then rent

2141
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,119
it out to long-term folks. Whereas in

2142
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:54,719
Lawrence, we have a much stronger

2143
01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:56,639
turnover date on July, you know, July

2144
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,480
31st. We don't have a lot that come open

2145
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,239
in May anyway.

2146
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:02,390
>> Um I will know I've talked to quite a

2147
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:02,400
» Um I will know I've talked to quite a

2148
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,400
few land I mean some landlords. There

2149
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:06,800
are a few landlords who did do 10-month

2150
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,080
leases with their um you know leading

2151
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,840
into this year thinking about this in

2152
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:15,199
ahead. And um I do know other landlords

2153
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:18,239
who are offering students

2154
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:20,560
out of the summer. We'll let you lease

2155
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,360
out on May 31st, short-term rental it,

2156
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,360
and then bring it back on August 1st as

2157
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,280
a long-term rental with students again.

2158
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,360
So, I've talked to um you know,

2159
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:32,400
landlords who um are definitely talking

2160
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,840
to their tenants about are you going to

2161
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:35,040
be here this summer? Do you want to be

2162
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:36,080
here this summer? If you don't want to

2163
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,239
be here this summer, you know, this

2164
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,880
could be an opportunity if this passes.

2165
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:41,440
Um,

2166
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,910
>> and I and that I will say I've had other

2167
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:43,920
» and I and that I will say I've had other

2168
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,800
conversations and my thought is we do

2169
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,280
empty to some extent over the summer. Do

2170
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,239
we happen to have numbers by chance?

2171
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:54,080
Could we get with KU and find out how

2172
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,320
many? We may not have those numbers. I

2173
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,800
think it pretty pretty good to have how

2174
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,800
many students leave in the summer. You

2175
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:01,599
know what I mean?

2176
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:02,790
>> We know from [snorts] the Census Bureau

2177
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:02,800
» We know from [snorts] the Census Bureau

2178
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:04,320
and the data that we have and because

2179
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:06,000
the effects of both Haskell and Baker on

2180
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,320
town about 15,500 students will leave

2181
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:09,920
between May and come back in August.

2182
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:10,719
Okay.

2183
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:11,990
>> Okay.

2184
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:12,000
» Okay.

2185
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,149
>> Um, so, uh, one

2186
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:14,159
» Um, so, uh, one

2187
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:15,350
>> Yeah. Yeah. No,

2188
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:15,360
» Yeah. Yeah. No,

2189
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:16,870
>> one thing. Would it be possible to take

2190
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:16,880
» one thing. Would it be possible to take

2191
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,040
a three-minut break uh before we go?

2192
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:20,310
>> You want to take a break?

2193
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:20,320
» You want to take a break?

2194
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:21,910
>> Yeah. Just a quick Let's take a break.

2195
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:21,920
» Yeah. Just a quick Let's take a break.

2196
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,109
>> Yeah, we'll take a fiveminut break and

2197
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:23,119
» Yeah, we'll take a fiveminut break and

2198
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:24,239
we'll be back.

2199
01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:24,550
>> Thanks.

2200
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:24,560
» Thanks.

2201
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:25,669
>> Thank you.

2202
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:25,679
» Thank you.

2203
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:28,265
>> Yeah.

2204
01:56:28,265 --> 01:56:28,275
» Yeah.

2205
01:56:28,275 --> 02:01:24,950
[laughter]

2206
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,520
Okay, we will bring the meeting back

2207
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,360
after short recess and we're on the

2208
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:32,480
discussion of regular items um one and

2209
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:36,320
two or or in the question stage. Um I

2210
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:37,840
guess I'll just go ahead and kind of

2211
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,000
continue you know my thoughts. I I am in

2212
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:42,639
in support of these two

2213
02:01:42,639 --> 02:01:46,880
um changes with [cough] the additional

2214
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,719
um amendment to um you know initiate the

2215
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:53,119
check text amendment to return it to at

2216
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:56,159
least the July 31st although you know I

2217
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:58,639
might do something slightly earlier July

2218
02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:00,560
29th or you know something just because

2219
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,719
we know the turnover date is going to be

2220
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:07,280
on August 1st. Um, and I support that.

2221
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,960
Um, because I do think, um, you know,

2222
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:12,800
again, we could be wrong. We could not

2223
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,520
be a we we cannot be a team. We cannot

2224
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:17,760
be a host city and we also could be a

2225
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:20,159
host city and no one comes. [laughter]

2226
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:24,320
But, um, I think the, um, I think the

2227
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:28,400
the safer bet is to know that, um, we

2228
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:31,199
need this additional housing to have the

2229
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:32,719
people in our community get the full

2230
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:34,560
benefit of it. Certainly cities in

2231
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,040
Kansas City are doing it. Even I've I've

2232
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,440
I've talked to um folks in other

2233
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:41,840
surrounding cities farther away than us

2234
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:46,159
who are also considering this. Um and

2235
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:49,280
and um again I've talked to quite a few

2236
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:53,040
landlords um who do think um this will

2237
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:54,880
be a pos you know certainly could be a

2238
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,920
possibility and um talking with Explore

2239
02:02:57,920 --> 02:02:59,679
Lawrence and some of the folks on the on

2240
02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:02,400
the team. Um you know I think this is

2241
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,119
something that will be useful to the

2242
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:09,280
city as long as it's shortterm and um so

2243
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,159
anyway that's why I stand on it.

2244
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:14,480
Jeff, have we had any communications

2245
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:17,440
with the university as to what they hope

2246
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:19,520
to

2247
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:21,280
what they're pl not hope to what they're

2248
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,840
planning to do? We have. Yes. They're

2249
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,360
part of the team that I I get to work

2250
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:26,960
with as part of the housing prompt for

2251
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,040
the unified command and and KU housing

2252
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:30,480
is a member of that and they've, you

2253
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,000
know, let us know is that they're going

2254
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,239
to have a lot of their normal operations

2255
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:35,280
that they're going to still be running

2256
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,040
the summer camps and the different

2257
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:38,480
events and so they're not going to have

2258
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,119
a large amount of capacity in there. And

2259
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:42,239
part of what we're also having

2260
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:45,360
conversations with them is about is um a

2261
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:47,040
little bit of continuity of operations

2262
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:48,400
for them. If people are trying to go

2263
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:49,840
through new story, new new student

2264
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:51,599
orientation, where are they going to

2265
02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:53,119
stay during the World Cup? Or if there

2266
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:55,199
somebody's coming for any of those

2267
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:57,119
transfer days or special events that

2268
02:03:57,119 --> 02:03:57,920
they do,

2269
02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:59,270
>> they need to make sure they've got space

2270
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:59,280
» they need to make sure they've got space

2271
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:00,560
for people that might not be able to

2272
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,320
find a hotel or short-term rental in

2273
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:04,480
Lawrence. They might be staying in a

2274
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:06,000
residence hall for that period. So,

2275
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:07,280
there's a little bit of that that we're

2276
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,679
looking for. We're also keeping an eye

2277
02:04:09,679 --> 02:04:11,840
and having the conversations for first

2278
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:13,760
responders and emergency workers that

2279
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:15,199
might be coming into the community as

2280
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:16,719
part of this that you know that might be

2281
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:18,960
coming from uh western Kansas and coming

2282
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,280
in to be here for a few days to

2283
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:23,040
alleviate different supports and so

2284
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:24,320
making sure that they've also got

2285
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:26,239
housing space too. So there's not a a

2286
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:28,320
lot of depth in university housing as

2287
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:29,679
you might think when you start kind of

2288
02:04:29,679 --> 02:04:32,159
adding up all those different factors.

2289
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:36,550
>> Good to know. sense.

2290
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:43,350
» Couple couple questions for me.

2291
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,280
» The former mayor Shipley brought up the

2292
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:46,719
question about the transient guest tax

2293
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:49,760
if it goes over 30 days. The So, if

2294
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:51,520
you're a normal person and you do this

2295
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:52,639
and you say, "Hey, you're going to rent

2296
02:04:52,639 --> 02:04:54,239
out your place for 31 days, something

2297
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:56,800
like that." Is the transient tax does

2298
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:58,719
that affect you for 30 days and then one

2299
02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:01,280
day after that you lose access to that?

2300
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:03,440
Would you be able to explain? explain

2301
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:05,280
that. That'd be a little bit beyond my

2302
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:06,719
ability. Unfortunately, I tend to deal

2303
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:08,639
more in land use, not in finance and

2304
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:10,960
taxation. I I will part that I do know

2305
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:12,639
is that once you overstay a certain

2306
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,320
period, you actually have long-term

2307
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,080
rental rights to properties. And so,

2308
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:17,840
instead of going through what we do in a

2309
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:18,960
short-term rental, you go through the

2310
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:20,560
eviction process of a long-term rental

2311
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:23,040
process. And so, that's the part I do

2312
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:24,080
know. I don't have to know much about

2313
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:26,159
how the transient guest tax is applied

2314
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:27,599
and how that process works with the

2315
02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:28,719
state.

2316
02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:29,669
>> I do apologize.

2317
02:05:29,669 --> 02:05:29,679
» I do apologize.

2318
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:31,430
>> And I can answer it, you know, again

2319
02:05:31,430 --> 02:05:31,440
» And I can answer it, you know, again

2320
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,400
slightly. This the state law obviously

2321
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:37,280
has a has a transit guest tax and it

2322
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,599
applies obviously to transients. So

2323
02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:42,080
that's the 30 days. So obviously if you

2324
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:43,679
rent your if if you have a long-term

2325
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:45,520
lease, a three-month lease or a one-year

2326
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:46,960
lease, you don't pay a transit guest

2327
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,119
tax, right? So it's only for that. So

2328
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:51,840
the question is the term of the lease

2329
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:53,280
and then whether or not you're paying

2330
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:54,800
the appropriate tax on the term of the

2331
02:05:54,800 --> 02:06:00,080
lease. So, I mean, I I think um um Miss

2332
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:04,080
Shipley's point is if in some ways if

2333
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:05,679
you if you lease your house out to

2334
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:08,800
somebody for 32 days, um you wouldn't

2335
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,400
have to pay the transient guest tax to

2336
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,760
the state. Um, [clears throat] and you

2337
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:16,800
know, now how Airbnb does that, how VBRO

2338
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:20,960
does that, if you do, uh, you know, a

2339
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:23,199
two week and a two week, but two week

2340
02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:25,280
and a 3 week, well, then yes, you owe

2341
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:28,080
transit guest tax on on both of those.

2342
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,440
But those are all state laws, so there's

2343
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:31,520
nothing we can do to change that one way

2344
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:35,599
or the other. Um, and a lot of that will

2345
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:38,480
have to will depend on how,

2346
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,800
you know, the if you're using a service

2347
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,000
to monitor that, they that's their

2348
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,400
responsibility, you know, the VBRO

2349
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:48,880
versus, you know, an Airbnb and and and

2350
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,119
their duty to collect that tax and remit

2351
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:53,920
it.

2352
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:56,880
I guess my my second question is so

2353
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:59,280
we're we're relaxing this for places

2354
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:01,440
that have or organizations that have

2355
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:03,840
more than three rooms. That's that or

2356
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:05,360
three houses or three places for people

2357
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:07,520
to stay, right? That's one of one one of

2358
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:07,920
the things

2359
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:12,709
>> one of the things [snorts] and

2360
02:07:12,719 --> 02:07:14,239
what's the way to ask this question? So,

2361
02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:15,599
you know, in a lot of ways that would

2362
02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:16,880
be, you know, larger apartment

2363
02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:18,800
complexes, stuff like that, places in

2364
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,639
town that have a lot of space. It could

2365
02:07:20,639 --> 02:07:22,719
be, you know, a landlord who has, you

2366
02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:26,800
know, four home, stuff like that. On the

2367
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:30,000
if there is if they're going to be in

2368
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:31,599
these long-term spaces for these

2369
02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:33,040
short-term rentals, is there any thought

2370
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:34,880
of killing two birds with one stone by

2371
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:36,639
being like, hey, we're going to going to

2372
02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:38,719
actually as part of this do the

2373
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,560
long-term evaluation for some of these

2374
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,199
that will turn into long-term so that

2375
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:44,400
rather than just do a short-term

2376
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:45,520
evaluation of what that looks like.

2377
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:46,800
Well, I guess one question would be, is

2378
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:48,639
the evaluation for a short-term

2379
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:50,639
inspection different than the long-term

2380
02:07:50,639 --> 02:07:51,440
inspection?

2381
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:52,149
>> It is not.

2382
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:52,159
» It is not.

2383
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:56,229
>> Is not. Okay. So, in in a way, if this

2384
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:56,239
» Is not. Okay. So, in in a way, if this

2385
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:59,840
is opened up and we allow more spaces to

2386
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:01,199
be filled in town, doing these

2387
02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:03,040
inspections will actually give us better

2388
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:05,119
visibility of what the status is of a

2389
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:07,040
lot of longerterm rentals

2390
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:12,629
>> potentially. Yes.

2391
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:15,040
» Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think the two I

2392
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:16,880
mean obviously I think there's three

2393
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:18,480
categories. You know the the one

2394
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:20,000
category mentioned by one our first

2395
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,400
speaker is you know places like the

2396
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:26,800
links who have 30 open rooms um renting

2397
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:29,199
those out you know for you know June and

2398
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:33,599
July. Um and I think the second is you

2399
02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:36,719
know the people who um you know and and

2400
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:39,760
we know this from you know folks in you

2401
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,920
know um at a National League of Cities

2402
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:43,679
conference they did these presentations

2403
02:08:43,679 --> 02:08:46,800
from um both Omaha with the College

2404
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:49,920
World Series and Augusta with um the

2405
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:50,470
>> Masters. Yeah,

2406
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:50,480
» Masters. Yeah,

2407
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:52,950
>> the masters that, you know, they have

2408
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:52,960
» the masters that, you know, they have

2409
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:54,719
these rules and and you know, people

2410
02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:56,639
leave for a month, go on vacation, rent

2411
02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:01,199
their house out for $10,000 and go on

2412
02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:03,440
vacation, come back a month later and

2413
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:05,360
and and do that. And you know, both

2414
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:07,440
Omaha and um [clears throat] Augusta

2415
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:11,199
have um you know, kind of uh um been

2416
02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:13,040
doing this for years. And so that's kind

2417
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,320
of the model at the National League of

2418
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,239
Cities that many of these cities across

2419
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:18,719
the country who are host cities are

2420
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:21,199
looking at. Um and so you know certainly

2421
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:23,520
some people now how many people want to

2422
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:26,000
leave their house and give it up for a

2423
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:28,159
month or 3 weeks? I don't know how many

2424
02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:29,360
people that will be but I think that's

2425
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:31,440
the second category. And then the third

2426
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:33,840
category like I said would be the you

2427
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:36,560
know the the the long-term rental houses

2428
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,840
not the apartment complexes where um you

2429
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:41,920
know people h are renting to students.

2430
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,840
The students are gone and then they're

2431
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:45,760
renting them out you know for a period

2432
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,320
of time.

2433
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:49,520
This would allow all of those which

2434
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:52,719
aren't allowed. Now,

2435
02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:55,830
>> um I I'll I'll make the statement in

2436
02:09:55,830 --> 02:09:55,840
» um I I'll I'll make the statement in

2437
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:59,510
general that

2438
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:02,239
I really want Lawrence to be prepared

2439
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:05,920
for this impressive event. Whether it

2440
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:10,800
will come to fruition or not, I really

2441
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:13,040
I prefer being prepared a lot more than

2442
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:17,440
not being prepared. I'll say that. Now,

2443
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:20,159
what I would like to see though is I

2444
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:22,960
want to know how the entirety of this

2445
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:26,800
community will be benefiting from having

2446
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:30,159
an additional 15,000 people. So,

2447
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:32,800
obviously sales tax will be coming in.

2448
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:35,760
Hopefully, the gu the hotel guest tax

2449
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:37,679
will come. I would like to see if we can

2450
02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:42,560
ensure that we're able to capitalize.

2451
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,719
You know, we are within the 30 days. I

2452
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:49,199
would like to protect those folks um

2453
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:52,320
that short-term rentals are on their uh

2454
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,280
block and I want I would love to see

2455
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:58,079
this is all in a hypothetical world up

2456
02:10:58,079 --> 02:11:00,000
for discussion. I'd like to see heavier

2457
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,400
penalties. If you're going to if it's

2458
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,960
going to be a windfall then the

2459
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,920
community should be benefiting as well.

2460
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,800
And I certainly love the idea of people

2461
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,679
being able to capitalize on some empty

2462
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:18,320
space. Uh I'm not overly concerned about

2463
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:22,800
us um jeopardizing long-term rentals

2464
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:26,159
simply based on the fact that we have a

2465
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,320
decent size amount of the population

2466
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,280
leave every summer. If I think uh if

2467
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:34,079
that were not the case that would um I

2468
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:36,239
would probably feel differently.

2469
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:41,440
Um, so let's have that discussion as far

2470
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:43,599
as, okay, we're going to see an

2471
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:46,880
additional sales tax. Um, we're

2472
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,360
overarching. Maybe we can mitigate some

2473
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:51,280
property tax with that. Maybe we can

2474
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,520
make improvements. Let's make it very

2475
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,320
known what this will do for the

2476
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,840
community. and let's make darn sure that

2477
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:02,960
people are not going to come in and

2478
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:04,639
jeopardize

2479
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:08,560
uh safety or disrupt people's lives as

2480
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:10,719
it pertains to their neighborhood. So,

2481
02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:13,599
how do we do that? Those are some for me

2482
02:12:13,599 --> 02:12:16,400
personally, those are some conversations

2483
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:20,320
I would love to have. I am in favor of

2484
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:23,280
this as long as we're controlling it and

2485
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:25,360
and it's a benefit to the community.

2486
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,679
That's that's my approach.

2487
02:12:27,679 --> 02:12:29,280
I don't know. I think part of the answer

2488
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:30,960
to that is if someone could talk about

2489
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,760
unified command and how we have these

2490
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:35,440
different groups, housing being one of

2491
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:37,119
them, but we're trying to look at some

2492
02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:39,440
of those and you know, as well as the,

2493
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:40,880
you know, we obviously increase the

2494
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:42,960
transit guest tax

2495
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,189
>> um for the purpose like many communities

2496
02:12:45,189 --> 02:12:45,199
» um for the purpose like many communities

2497
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:47,360
around us to help capitalize on that and

2498
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,280
we cover some of the costs we know of

2499
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,440
police and fire and so forth. But I know

2500
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:52,480
Brandon, I don't know if you're on

2501
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:53,679
unified command. I think

2502
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:55,510
>> I can jump in here a little bit. Um and

2503
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:55,520
» I can jump in here a little bit. Um and

2504
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,520
we are planning a more comprehensive

2505
02:12:57,520 --> 02:13:00,079
update. Uh the the commission requested

2506
02:13:00,079 --> 02:13:02,880
it before the end of last year. Um so

2507
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:04,320
we'll have members of the invite command

2508
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,440
here. We're uh planning on January 20th.

2509
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,199
Um so we'll be able to give you an idea

2510
02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:11,679
of the different branches um and the

2511
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:12,639
work that they're doing and the

2512
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:15,840
preparations um to date. Um and that'll

2513
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:17,280
be actually around the time that we

2514
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:20,880
might start finding out about um hosting

2515
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,840
a team here as well. Um I do just want

2516
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:26,880
to kind of caution um everyone listening

2517
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,040
and and the commissioners, we are not

2518
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:32,239
expecting um in terms of of government

2519
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:34,800
revenues, tax revenues necessarily a

2520
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:37,840
windfall. These types of events um are

2521
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:40,480
major consumers of public services. Um

2522
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:43,599
and so uh we are starting first um with

2523
02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:45,807
more of a continuity of operations

2524
02:13:45,807 --> 02:13:47,117
[laughter] approach and how do we

2525
02:13:47,117 --> 02:13:49,679
[snorts] make sure um that businesses

2526
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:51,280
can continue functioning and people in

2527
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:52,960
our comm our community members can

2528
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:54,800
continue going about their daily lives.

2529
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:56,400
We'll get into more of that when we do

2530
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:58,159
our comprehensive presentation. But I do

2531
02:13:58,159 --> 02:14:00,239
kind of want to temper um community

2532
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:03,040
expectations that this might um uh be a

2533
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,520
windfall uh to the city government or

2534
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:06,800
some of our other local governments

2535
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:08,880
here. We do hope and we are trying to

2536
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:10,400
set it up so that our businesses can

2537
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:12,079
benefit greatly from this and we've had

2538
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:19,830
good participation from this so far.

2539
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:23,040
» Just a couple of quick thoughts. um what

2540
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,520
I the idea that this is pretty much

2541
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,480
inevitable and so I do appreciate

2542
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:29,920
um because there's several of us who

2543
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,480
brought this up um including myself to

2544
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:34,400
for us to get a jump start on this so

2545
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:37,520
that we know what we knew what the data

2546
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:39,520
was telling us about what we could

2547
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:42,400
possibly expect as far as numbers of

2548
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:44,480
just people wanting to attend and be in

2549
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:46,639
the area. that doesn't necessarily

2550
02:14:46,639 --> 02:14:49,280
include those um individuals that might

2551
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:52,159
be traveling um to be close to their

2552
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:54,560
teams uh in proximity. So there's a lot

2553
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:56,800
of different variables at that are at

2554
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,040
play at this. And so the idea is that we

2555
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:02,480
needed to put something in place to

2556
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:04,880
attempt to mitigate as much as possible

2557
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,480
because this is going to be organized

2558
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:08,239
chaos. [laughter]

2559
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:10,800
We're it is what it is. And I think that

2560
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:13,040
has been that is that has been a tone

2561
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:15,280
and a sentiment that has been stated and

2562
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:17,679
shared across the board even with the

2563
02:15:17,679 --> 02:15:21,440
Kansas City uh 2026 group. So there's

2564
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,599
going to be organized chaos. What I app

2565
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:27,280
there are aspects of the um major event

2566
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:29,119
ordinance that was put into place in

2567
02:15:29,119 --> 02:15:31,520
Missouri that I appreciate in parts not

2568
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:34,560
so much. um you know they have some

2569
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,040
specific language around

2570
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:39,599
um owner occupied as it relates to

2571
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:41,679
density. I think that is something to be

2572
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:44,880
said for a community like that here. Not

2573
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:46,880
so much. Um and that's getting a little

2574
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:48,480
too deep in the weeds that I just don't

2575
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:51,119
think that we

2576
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,040
that we're not going to have that big of

2577
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:56,159
a lift as a Kansas City would or even a

2578
02:15:56,159 --> 02:15:59,119
Johnson County would. Um will this

2579
02:15:59,119 --> 02:16:02,639
impact long-term rentals? Yes, it will.

2580
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:05,520
Um the risk may not be as horrible, but

2581
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:06,800
the idea is that just because the World

2582
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:08,239
Cup is coming doesn't mean that people

2583
02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:11,440
aren't won't relocate here for jobs, you

2584
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:13,199
know, move here, move out, life still

2585
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:16,800
goes on for the less 600,000 people who

2586
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:19,280
will be participating in World Cup. So

2587
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:22,000
yes, if we do, you know, this is going

2588
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:26,079
to have an impact. um where we have to

2589
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:28,480
balance that and where I've been trying

2590
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:30,320
to balance that in my mind is that is

2591
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:34,800
the idea of those short-term

2592
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:37,120
units, short-term rental units that are

2593
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:38,800
currently operating without being

2594
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:40,719
licensed, whether we call those illegal,

2595
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:42,639
whatever. I mean, in in the world of

2596
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:44,719
childcare licensing, you you call those,

2597
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:47,359
you know, unlicensed facilities. So, are

2598
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:49,519
do we will we have some unlicensed units

2599
02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:52,240
here? We do. We know we have some now.

2600
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:55,679
Um, so what can we put in place to give

2601
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:59,679
it teeth to say if you are doing this

2602
02:16:59,679 --> 02:17:02,399
and we find out that you are doing this,

2603
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:04,719
not only will you lose your ability to

2604
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:06,639
license and if you are a current

2605
02:17:06,639 --> 02:17:09,920
short-term rental license or you have a

2606
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,760
license with us, you will lose that for

2607
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:13,840
a certain period of time and you will

2608
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:15,359
have to charge and we'll have you'll

2609
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:17,200
have to be assessed you will be assessed

2610
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:20,639
a penalty or a fine for that. Those are

2611
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:22,319
some of the things I think that we can

2612
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:25,840
put into place. Um, oh yeah, no one

2613
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,719
really wants to see me. Um, those are

2614
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:30,240
some things that I do believe we can put

2615
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:33,599
into place that can help balance some of

2616
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:35,120
this

2617
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:36,960
organized chaos that's going to happen.

2618
02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:39,760
That also gives us a little bit of it's

2619
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:41,200
not that windfall, but is there's

2620
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:42,960
additional money that could be in place

2621
02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:45,280
to, you know, for the point of with

2622
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:46,880
public, you know, public safety and

2623
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:50,639
things that are going to um put a little

2624
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:54,080
pressure on our our coffers because of

2625
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:56,800
this event that's happening 45 minutes

2626
02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:01,439
away from us. So, you know, doing this

2627
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:03,840
mitigates to a certain point or at least

2628
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:06,319
puts the community to say, "Hey, some of

2629
02:18:06,319 --> 02:18:08,399
y'all want to do this. We know you want

2630
02:18:08,399 --> 02:18:10,000
to. Some of you have already been

2631
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:12,080
testing the waters and doing it

2632
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,120
illegally. So, do what's right. Do

2633
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:19,040
what's best. Register. Do it for this

2634
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:21,439
this time period. And if we find out

2635
02:18:21,439 --> 02:18:23,200
that you're still doing it illegally or

2636
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:24,240
we find out that you're doing it

2637
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:26,000
afterwards, we're going to take that

2638
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:28,000
ability for you to do it away for a

2639
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,599
certain period of time and we're going

2640
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:32,399
to take some money away from you. So, I

2641
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:33,840
think, you know, we're not going to

2642
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:35,920
solve all the problems with this, but we

2643
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:40,479
have to look at this as a

2644
02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:42,160
a a

2645
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,319
strategy solution that is going to at

2646
02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:46,639
least create accountability

2647
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:48,880
and that aligns with the current system

2648
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:51,519
that we have. so that we can be able to

2649
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:54,800
offset any type of cost incurrence as

2650
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:57,439
well as additional stressors that we're

2651
02:18:57,439 --> 02:18:59,280
going that we are going to see. We are

2652
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:02,080
going to see it. 600,000 people are not

2653
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:04,719
going to find a place to stay in Kansas

2654
02:19:04,719 --> 02:19:07,280
City and they may not find it in Johnson

2655
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:08,880
County and hell they may not even want

2656
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:11,280
to be in KCK. They probably want to come

2657
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:12,559
here because there's something about

2658
02:19:12,559 --> 02:19:13,519
here.

2659
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:15,270
>> So, we need to prepare ourselves for

2660
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:15,280
» So, we need to prepare ourselves for

2661
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:18,880
that. This is not the best. This is not

2662
02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:21,599
tier one. This isn't a diamond, but it's

2663
02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:23,280
going to give us something that we need

2664
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:26,319
to do to better prepare ourselves.

2665
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:30,070
>> Yeah, I agree. I think it's also kind of

2666
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:30,080
» Yeah, I agree. I think it's also kind of

2667
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:31,679
underscores

2668
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:34,000
our desire to not have a black market

2669
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:35,519
during this period of time where we have

2670
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:37,679
everybody available out in the open

2671
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:39,760
doing the right thing and in a safe way,

2672
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:42,160
too. So people aren't doing it to try to

2673
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,399
get away with it, but they're actually

2674
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:46,000
trying to comply with the rules and the

2675
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:48,479
and the requirements. So I I'd have to

2676
02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:50,399
say that um I'm in favor of this. I

2677
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:52,160
think we need to have a sunset date and

2678
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,160
it needs to make sense, but I don't

2679
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,160
think we need to be an expert in what

2680
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:59,200
that day is. Whether it's July 29th or

2681
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:00,720
July 31st, I don't think it really

2682
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:02,880
matters too much except we just need to

2683
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:05,120
have a defined date so that we don't

2684
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:07,439
leave this open so that other areas of

2685
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:10,240
town are are un unexpectedly impacted,

2686
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:14,240
you know, long term by this.

2687
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:14,479
And

2688
02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:16,230
>> as you guys jump in, I'd just say, you

2689
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:16,240
» as you guys jump in, I'd just say, you

2690
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:18,960
know, I do think um I lean towards the

2691
02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:21,439
July 29th date only be for two reasons.

2692
02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:23,439
One, it gives us a little time before

2693
02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:26,240
that turnover date. And two, it gives us

2694
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,120
a chance not to have 60 days. You know,

2695
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,240
it it could it could increase the chance

2696
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:35,439
you could have a a transit guest tax

2697
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:37,830
>> um possibility without having a full 60

2698
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:37,840
» um possibility without having a full 60

2699
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:40,720
or 61 days, right? Um

2700
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:42,870
>> you could end up having a a short-term

2701
02:20:42,870 --> 02:20:42,880
» you could end up having a a short-term

2702
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:43,760
rental situation.

2703
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:45,270
>> That was kind of what I was hoping we

2704
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:45,280
» That was kind of what I was hoping we

2705
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:47,439
could Yeah. do. So I think if we do like

2706
02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:50,560
July 29th that also give us you know

2707
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,439
again people are thinking then about you

2708
02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:54,560
know turning that over and getting

2709
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:56,802
someone in on on you know August

2710
02:20:56,802 --> 02:20:57,920
[clears throat] 1st.

2711
02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:01,510
>> The last game is the 11th in Kansas

2712
02:21:01,510 --> 02:21:01,520
» The last game is the 11th in Kansas

2713
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:02,960
City. Sorry

2714
02:21:02,960 --> 02:21:05,910
>> 11th or the 15th maybe.

2715
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:05,920
» 11th or the 15th maybe.

2716
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:07,750
>> Yes. The the quarterfinal game in Kansas

2717
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:07,760
» Yes. The the quarterfinal game in Kansas

2718
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:10,880
City is July 11th.

2719
02:21:10,880 --> 02:21:12,630
>> Yeah. [clears throat]

2720
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:12,640
» Yeah. [clears throat]

2721
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:15,200
And you know the if we're a host city

2722
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:18,000
for a team that is

2723
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,640
eliminated and they go home before July

2724
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:22,800
11th, you know the team coming, you

2725
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,840
know, I think they said that if the

2726
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:27,760
seeds hold, it could be Portugal versus

2727
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:29,040
Argentina.

2728
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:30,309
>> You know, you could have a whole new

2729
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:30,319
» You know, you could have a whole new

2730
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:32,399
slew of people coming in just for that

2731
02:21:32,399 --> 02:21:33,920
July 11th game.

2732
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:36,070
>> They'll know that they're coming a week

2733
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:36,080
» They'll know that they're coming a week

2734
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:38,560
or so before that. They come in and rent

2735
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:41,760
for, you know, eight days or something.

2736
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:44,080
um if our team is still playing then of

2737
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,080
course we still could have a lot of

2738
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:48,720
those filled. Um so a couple

2739
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:50,080
possibilities there. So there could

2740
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:52,560
certainly be a date between you know

2741
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:55,280
shortly after July 11th and you know the

2742
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,920
July 29th. But and then I do think we

2743
02:21:57,920 --> 02:21:59,920
can include in there when they bring us

2744
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,399
back that initiate text amendment. we

2745
02:22:02,399 --> 02:22:04,319
could have Randy and Jeff look at

2746
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:07,520
penalties and and you know bring that

2747
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:10,240
back to us and consider that

2748
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:11,830
>> as part of that motion to bring that

2749
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:11,840
» as part of that motion to bring that

2750
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:15,120
back in in the text amendment process.

2751
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:17,190
>> Yeah, I think that's good.

2752
02:22:17,190 --> 02:22:17,200
» Yeah, I think that's good.

2753
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:19,510
>> I'm kind I'm concerned that the 29th is

2754
02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:19,520
» I'm kind I'm concerned that the 29th is

2755
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:22,720
not enough turnover time. Again, if the

2756
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:25,280
last match is the 11th, if we say two

2757
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:28,160
weeks, if people want to lolly gag

2758
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:29,760
around two weeks after that, that puts

2759
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:33,520
us around the 25th, 26,

2760
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:37,359
then that gives any of these

2761
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:40,080
non-owner occupied folks, i.e. apartment

2762
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,479
complexes, that gives them at least a

2763
02:22:42,479 --> 02:22:43,120
week

2764
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:43,670
>> Yeah.

2765
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:43,680
» Yeah.

2766
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:46,230
>> before their

2767
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:46,240
» before their

2768
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:48,479
looks like Sundays, July 26th.

2769
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:50,630
>> Sunday's the 26th. So yeah, that I mean

2770
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:50,640
» Sunday's the 26th. So yeah, that I mean

2771
02:22:50,640 --> 02:22:51,840
I could support that.

2772
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:54,070
>> Okay,

2773
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:54,080
» Okay,

2774
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:57,830
>> comments on this end.

2775
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:00,720
» I I was really just swayed by

2776
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:02,479
Commissioner C's argument because I I

2777
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:03,920
think there's something we can do here

2778
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:07,520
that will again clear something else up,

2779
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:09,439
which is, [snorts] you know, there's a

2780
02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:12,160
concern that we have illegal or

2781
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:15,040
non-sanctioned um Airbnbs or verbos and

2782
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:17,120
stuff like that. And I I think if we put

2783
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:19,439
the penalties in place for this

2784
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:22,640
afterwards and then do

2785
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:25,439
um you know do those evaluations, be

2786
02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:27,120
able to work with uh Jeff's team to be

2787
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:28,640
able to figure out like are people

2788
02:23:28,640 --> 02:23:31,120
abusing this that we can know going

2789
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:33,439
forward what those penalties will be and

2790
02:23:33,439 --> 02:23:36,160
I think a lot of existing

2791
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:37,920
uh neighborhoods and people would

2792
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:41,520
benefit from having the teeth of that as

2793
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,520
part of this. I I also think just

2794
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:46,240
thinking about being able to to uh

2795
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:49,600
evaluate more rentals around town as

2796
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:51,040
part of this whole process, too, to make

2797
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:52,720
sure that they're up to speed as part of

2798
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:55,520
the uh inspection process. That can be a

2799
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:58,080
benefit to this whole thing whole thing

2800
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:59,549
as well. So, I was kind of on the

2801
02:23:59,549 --> 02:24:01,120
[clears throat] fence about it, but I am

2802
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,920
going to vote yes for this based on

2803
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:06,960
based on that. I don't see Brian, but

2804
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:08,880
just to re uh just to remind me and

2805
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:11,439
Jeff, you you could as well

2806
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:14,479
for folks who are wanting to report.

2807
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:17,120
So, if someone was wanting to report a,

2808
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:20,800
you know, a an Airbnb, a short-term

2809
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:22,880
rental [snorts] unit in their comm in

2810
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:25,359
their neighborhood that they know is not

2811
02:24:25,359 --> 02:24:29,600
or they suspect that it is not licensed.

2812
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:32,080
What is that? Is there a dedicated line

2813
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:35,520
or link or what is the process pathway

2814
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:36,885
to someone wanting to report that?

2815
02:24:36,885 --> 02:24:37,200
[snorts]

2816
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:38,870
>> Quite a number of ways. Um you could

2817
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:38,880
» Quite a number of ways. Um you could

2818
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:40,880
send an email to us. You could give us a

2819
02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:42,560
phone call. We have online through

2820
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,720
cclickfix. You can report those uh

2821
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:47,359
through uh that app and also that

2822
02:24:47,359 --> 02:24:50,000
website. Um we have people that uh will

2823
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:51,680
mail us letters. Uh so any number of

2824
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:53,040
ways that we do it. We work on that like

2825
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:55,520
I mentioned complaint based process. So

2826
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:57,040
any any way that somebody can get us

2827
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:58,479
information we will definitely be acting

2828
02:24:58,479 --> 02:24:59,040
on that.

2829
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:04,070
>> Okay.

2830
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:05,840
Randy, you turned your camera on. I

2831
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:06,800
don't know if you had something you

2832
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:08,399
wanted to say before we make a Okay,

2833
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:10,319
just checking. [clears throat] Just

2834
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:13,600
checking. Well, um, certainly if there's

2835
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:15,520
more comments, we could do that. I think

2836
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:18,240
what I'm thinking listening to the

2837
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,000
conversation is we might have three

2838
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:23,680
motions. motion on agenda item one, a

2839
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:25,600
motion on agenda item two, and then a

2840
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:29,040
third motion that we initiate a text

2841
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:30,800
amendment to restore the code with the

2842
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,760
cleanup text with an end date of July

2843
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:38,000
26th and bring back um additional

2844
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:41,040
penalties um

2845
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:42,800
as part of that. And I think our

2846
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:45,120
discussion is about maybe going to the

2847
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:47,760
2500 and suspending licenses. But we'll

2848
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:50,160
let the let that initiation and then

2849
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:52,319
bring that back to us and we can go

2850
02:25:52,319 --> 02:25:54,240
through that.

2851
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:55,990
>> So that's why I'm thinking three motions

2852
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:56,000
» So that's why I'm thinking three motions

2853
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,040
is

2854
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:58,230
>> yes.

2855
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:58,240
» yes.

2856
02:25:58,240 --> 02:25:59,510
>> That's the case. Would anyone like to

2857
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:59,520
» That's the case. Would anyone like to

2858
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:02,800
try those motions?

2859
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,479
Motion to approve a temporary text

2860
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:06,399
amendment to chapter 6, article 13,

2861
02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:07,920
division 2, short-term residential

2862
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:09,920
rental property code to allow greater

2863
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,319
flexibility for short shortterm rentals

2864
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:15,120
during the 2026 FIFA World Cup. Adopt on

2865
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:19,040
first reading ordinance number 10153.

2866
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:19,670
>> Second.

2867
02:26:19,670 --> 02:26:19,680
» Second.

2868
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,950
>> Second. A motion by Vice Mayor Courtney,

2869
02:26:22,950 --> 02:26:22,960
» Second. A motion by Vice Mayor Courtney,

2870
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:25,120
a second by Commissioner Cos as it

2871
02:26:25,120 --> 02:26:26,640
relates to regular agenda item one. All

2872
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:28,720
those in favor, please say I. I.

2873
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:29,270
>> I.

2874
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:29,280
» I.

2875
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:33,990
>> Opposed? Passes 5. Is there a second

2876
02:26:33,990 --> 02:26:34,000
» Opposed? Passes 5. Is there a second

2877
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,000
motion on regular agenda item number

2878
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:38,880
two?

2879
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:40,469
>> Before the motion, I just wanted just

2880
02:26:40,469 --> 02:26:40,479
» Before the motion, I just wanted just

2881
02:26:40,479 --> 02:26:42,160
one clarification point. So, this is

2882
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:44,479
just cleaning up something that you guys

2883
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:46,560
found in the text

2884
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:49,670
>> of the of the of the LDC.

2885
02:26:49,670 --> 02:26:49,680
» of the of the of the LDC.

2886
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:52,070
>> This would make the change for the World

2887
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:52,080
» This would make the change for the World

2888
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:54,080
Cup. The amendment we'd be be bringing

2889
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:56,640
back to

2890
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:59,120
reset would be the cleanup one. So, it

2891
02:26:59,120 --> 02:27:00,399
would correct the error we've identified

2892
02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:01,680
in the code. Okay.

2893
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:03,110
>> We wouldn't be bringing back the exact

2894
02:27:03,110 --> 02:27:03,120
» We wouldn't be bringing back the exact

2895
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:04,479
same text that's in there today. We'd be

2896
02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:06,560
bringing back the cleanup version if you

2897
02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:08,560
initiate the amendment to put it revert

2898
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:08,960
back.

2899
02:27:08,960 --> 02:27:10,790
>> Okay. Just wanted to double check that.

2900
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:10,800
» Okay. Just wanted to double check that.

2901
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,040
Okay. Thank you.

2902
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:14,630
>> So, there's a motion on regular agenda

2903
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:14,640
» So, there's a motion on regular agenda

2904
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:19,030
item number two.

2905
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:20,800
Motion to approve text amendment at

2906
02:27:20,800 --> 02:27:22,560
AMDT25

2907
02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:24,640
uh 007 to chapter 20, the land

2908
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:25,840
development code of the city of

2909
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:28,000
Lawrence, Kansas to update the accessory

2910
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:30,560
use table to allow nonowner occupied

2911
02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:32,800
short-term rental uses to be permitted

2912
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:35,520
accessory uses in the R1 residential low

2913
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,080
density and R2 residential low density

2914
02:27:38,080 --> 02:27:40,319
to districts. Also update the accessory

2915
02:27:40,319 --> 02:27:41,920
use table to allow owner occupied

2916
02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:44,560
short-term rental uses to be permitted.

2917
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:47,600
accessory uses in the R3, R4, R5, M1,

2918
02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:52,240
M2, M3, CCD, ILG, and P1 districts.

2919
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:53,760
Based on the findings present in the

2920
02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:55,920
staff report, adopt on first reading

2921
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:58,640
ordinance number 10176.

2922
02:27:58,640 --> 02:27:59,910
>> Seconded.

2923
02:27:59,910 --> 02:27:59,920
» Seconded.

2924
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:03,590
>> So motion by Vice Mayor Kney, a second

2925
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:03,600
» So motion by Vice Mayor Kney, a second

2926
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:06,000
by um Commissioner Devo. All those in

2927
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:07,280
favor, please say I.

2928
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:08,070
>> I. I.

2929
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:08,080
» I. I.

2930
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:09,190
>> I.

2931
02:28:09,190 --> 02:28:09,200
» I.

2932
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:12,230
>> The opposed. Passes five to zero. And

2933
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:12,240
» The opposed. Passes five to zero. And

2934
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:14,080
then I'm looking for a third.

2935
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:15,429
>> So on the third one, do I need to

2936
02:28:15,429 --> 02:28:15,439
» So on the third one, do I need to

2937
02:28:15,439 --> 02:28:18,000
specify the language as far as fines and

2938
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:18,720
penalties or can

2939
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:20,150
>> No, I think just initiate they bring

2940
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:20,160
» No, I think just initiate they bring

2941
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:21,359
back penalty

2942
02:28:21,359 --> 02:28:23,190
>> related to short-term rentals. Okay. So

2943
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:23,200
» related to short-term rentals. Okay. So

2944
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:25,359
I move that we initiate a text amendment

2945
02:28:25,359 --> 02:28:28,000
uh with clean up that Wait, hold on.

2946
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:30,960
Yeah. So, I move that we initiate a text

2947
02:28:30,960 --> 02:28:33,120
amendment with cleanup l with cleanup

2948
02:28:33,120 --> 02:28:36,240
text to sunset

2949
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:41,439
to July 26, 2026 and to have staff bring

2950
02:28:41,439 --> 02:28:44,960
back language related to fines and

2951
02:28:44,960 --> 02:28:46,880
penalties

2952
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:49,280
as it relates to short-term rentals.

2953
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:50,790
>> I second that.

2954
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:50,800
» I second that.

2955
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:53,910
>> Okay. Sherry and Jeff and Craig,

2956
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:53,920
» Okay. Sherry and Jeff and Craig,

2957
02:28:53,920 --> 02:28:55,120
everyone

2958
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:57,190
>> understand the motion?

2959
02:28:57,190 --> 02:28:57,200
» understand the motion?

2960
02:28:57,200 --> 02:28:58,389
>> Okay.

2961
02:28:58,389 --> 02:28:58,399
» Okay.

2962
02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:01,760
Um and so motion by Commissioner Cos, a

2963
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:04,319
second by um Commissioner Dever. All

2964
02:29:04,319 --> 02:29:05,920
those in favor, please say I.

2965
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:06,389
>> I.

2966
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:06,399
» I.

2967
02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:07,030
>> I.

2968
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:07,040
» I.

2969
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:10,950
>> Opposed. That passes 5 to zero.

2970
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:10,960
» Opposed. That passes 5 to zero.

2971
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:13,030
>> Thank you very much, Jeff and others.

2972
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:13,040
» Thank you very much, Jeff and others.

2973
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:16,319
Thank you. Um that ends our regular

2974
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:17,680
agenda, but brings us to the work

2975
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:19,680
session items. A work session provides

2976
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:21,120
an opportunity for the city commission

2977
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:23,439
to discuss items in greater detail. The

2978
02:29:23,439 --> 02:29:24,880
commission will take no binding action

2979
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:27,040
on the items presented during this time.

2980
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:28,720
Woke session topics are eligible for

2981
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:30,560
public comment. Members of the public

2982
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:32,880
will be limited to three minutes for

2983
02:29:32,880 --> 02:29:34,800
comments. And this work session is to

2984
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:36,960
receive a presentation on the proposed

2985
02:29:36,960 --> 02:29:39,520
affordable housing incentive policy. And

2986
02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:42,960
I believe Leah is online to present

2987
02:29:42,960 --> 02:30:00,309
this.

2988
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:01,680
Hi, good evening, mayor and

2989
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:03,120
commissioners. I'm Leah Rosland,

2990
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:05,200
affordable housing administrator uh for

2991
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:07,280
the city of Lawrence. Uh please give me

2992
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:19,444
just a moment while I share my screen.

2993
02:30:19,454 --> 02:30:23,110
[clears throat]

2994
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:26,479
Okay. Um, good evening again. Thank you

2995
02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:28,560
for the opportunity to present the

2996
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:30,479
proposed affordable housing incentive

2997
02:30:30,479 --> 02:30:33,670
policy.

2998
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:35,520
The goal of this work session is to

2999
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:38,000
provide a clear overview of the policy.

3000
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:39,920
I'll share the purpose, how it connects

3001
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:42,080
to our adopted housing goals, the types

3002
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:44,479
of h incentives proposed, and incentive

3003
02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:46,720
requirements. We are eager to hear your

3004
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:50,000
feedback tonight.

3005
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:52,399
This policy builds on prior commission

3006
02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:54,479
direction, community engagement, and our

3007
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:57,120
shared vision of a Lawrence where

3008
02:30:57,120 --> 02:30:59,120
housing is affordable, accessible, and

3009
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:01,760
dignified for everyone.

3010
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:03,520
This policy advances the city's

3011
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:05,439
strategic plan, strong, welcoming

3012
02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:09,280
neighborhood KPIs 5, six, and seven.

3013
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:10,960
This policy additionally meets the

3014
02:31:10,960 --> 02:31:13,120
city's commitments to effective and

3015
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:15,280
efficient processes, steward, sound

3016
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:17,120
fiscal stewardship, and equity and

3017
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:18,640
inclusion.

3018
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:21,024
I'm sorry. Give me just some sec.

3019
02:31:21,024 --> 02:31:26,710
[clears throat]

3020
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:28,240
This [clears throat] policy advances our

3021
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:30,560
strategic goals by focusing incentives

3022
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:32,640
on the types of housing least available

3023
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:34,720
and most needed in our community to

3024
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:37,040
decrease housing stress, especially for

3025
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:39,600
very low and low-income households, our

3026
02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:41,760
local workforce, families with children,

3027
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:44,160
people with disabilities, and seniors.

3028
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:45,760
The policy is designed with the

3029
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:47,520
overarching goal of ensuring that our

3030
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:49,200
public investments have the greatest

3031
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:51,200
possible impact for the community and

3032
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:53,120
serve the highest public good.

3033
02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:54,640
Additional goals are to provide

3034
02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:56,560
transparency, clarity, and fairness for

3035
02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:00,240
applicants in the community.

3036
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:01,680
We [clears throat] leverage a toolkit of

3037
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:03,760
incentives to bridge financial gaps and

3038
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,280
encourage development that meets

3039
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:07,840
affordability goals. I will provide an

3040
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:10,000
overview of each incentive type in the

3041
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:13,200
next few slides.

3042
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:16,160
So, first tax incentives. This policy

3043
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:18,880
recommends tax incentives including

3044
02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:21,200
reinvestment housing incentive districts

3045
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:24,160
or RIDs, industrial revenue bonds, IRBs,

3046
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:26,319
and neighborhood revitalization areas,

3047
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:29,920
NRAs. IRBs and NRAs have already been

3048
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:32,319
provided for affordable housing under

3049
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:34,000
their current economic development

3050
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:35,840
policy.

3051
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:37,920
If approved, moving forward, affordable

3052
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:39,680
housing projects would need to meet the

3053
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:41,920
criteria outlined and apply under this

3054
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:44,800
policy. Reinvestment housing districts

3055
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:46,800
would be a new tool for Lawrence, but is

3056
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:48,880
a statewide incentive already offered

3057
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:52,070
throughout many Kansas community.

3058
02:32:52,070 --> 02:32:56,389
[clears throat]

3059
02:32:56,399 --> 02:32:57,920
Currently, [gasps]

3060
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:00,080
uh I'm sorry, uh moving on to affordable

3061
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:01,760
housing trust funds. Currently, the

3062
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:03,600
affordable housing trust fund is

3063
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:06,080
provided only as a grant. Under the

3064
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:07,840
proposed policy, projects with the

3065
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:10,479
guaranteed period of affordability of 99

3066
02:33:10,479 --> 02:33:12,800
years would be eligible for grants.

3067
02:33:12,800 --> 02:33:14,399
Projects with lower periods of

3068
02:33:14,399 --> 02:33:16,399
affordability would be eligible for

3069
02:33:16,399 --> 02:33:19,040
lowterest loans, which is a standard

3070
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:20,880
practice among many communities with

3071
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:23,200
local trust funds for projects uh with

3072
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:28,741
more limited periods of affordability.

3073
02:33:28,751 --> 02:33:28,960
» [clears throat]

3074
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,110
>> Additional proposed and city city

3075
02:33:31,110 --> 02:33:31,120
» Additional proposed and city city

3076
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:34,080
incentives include public land donations

3077
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:37,120
and fee waivers. Through this policy, a

3078
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:38,960
process for requesting municipal land

3079
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:40,720
donations and fee waivers would be

3080
02:33:40,720 --> 02:33:43,280
formalized and streamlined. Fee waivers

3081
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:45,280
are one of the most frequently utilized

3082
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:47,680
mechanisms municipalities across the

3083
02:33:47,680 --> 02:33:49,840
country and the state employed to

3084
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:52,560
generate affordable housing development.

3085
02:33:52,560 --> 02:33:54,640
However, unfortunately, as we've

3086
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:56,560
discussed, our own internal policies

3087
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:58,560
create barriers in maximizing the

3088
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:01,280
leverage of this incentive. While we can

3089
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:04,240
provide some fee wavers through PDS,

3090
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:06,399
system development charges cannot be

3091
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:09,520
waved per resolution 7231,

3092
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:11,439
I would suggest that this is one of the

3093
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:13,760
more vital policy considerations for the

3094
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:17,910
commission to consider.

3095
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:19,760
Now that I've reviewed incentives, I'll

3096
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:21,760
cover eligibility

3097
02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:24,160
in the proposed policy. Requirements for

3098
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:26,160
minimum years of affordability ensure

3099
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:28,319
long-term community benefit and protect

3100
02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:30,640
public investment in incentivizing

3101
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:33,439
extended affordability periods. This

3102
02:34:33,439 --> 02:34:35,760
requirement is a critical policy uh

3103
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:37,680
decision for the commission to consider.

3104
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:39,680
And so I'm going to provide just a very

3105
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:46,032
brief primer on this item.

3106
02:34:46,042 --> 02:34:46,080
» [clears throat]

3107
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,550
>> In order to receive public subsidy for

3108
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:48,560
» In order to receive public subsidy for

3109
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:50,800
building affordable housing, developers

3110
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:53,120
agree to making the units affordable for

3111
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,520
low and moderate income households,

3112
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:57,520
meaning that rents are restricted so

3113
02:34:57,520 --> 02:34:59,439
that they are generally not higher than

3114
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:02,479
30% of the household income. And they

3115
02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:04,640
agree to do this for a designated period

3116
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:07,359
of time. At the end of the mandated

3117
02:35:07,359 --> 02:35:09,280
period of affordability, the housing may

3118
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:10,960
then be converted to market rate

3119
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:12,880
housing, meaning that the owner may

3120
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:16,080
charge the highest possible rent. within

3121
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:18,880
local market conditions. That also means

3122
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:20,960
that when affordability ends, the public

3123
02:35:20,960 --> 02:35:23,040
investment no longer serves as a benefit

3124
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:25,520
to the public and vulnerable households

3125
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:27,280
are put at risk for displacement and

3126
02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:29,520
homelessness when rents increase to more

3127
02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:32,399
than what they can afford. Kansas and

3128
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:34,319
federal low-income housing tax credits

3129
02:35:34,319 --> 02:35:37,680
require a 30-year affordability period.

3130
02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:40,319
Some states have longer.

3131
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:42,240
Many municipalities have local

3132
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:45,280
municipalities have longer. Uh the city

3133
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:47,920
has aligned with the state litec 30-year

3134
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:50,160
requirement. Although the AHOB attempts

3135
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:53,200
to prioritize projects with 99 or more

3136
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:55,920
years of affordability or we often refer

3137
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:58,560
to as affordability in perpetuity or

3138
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:00,640
permanent affordability.

3139
02:36:00,640 --> 02:36:03,359
This policy further operationalizes that

3140
02:36:03,359 --> 02:36:05,520
priority and proposes that to receive

3141
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:07,920
significant incentives, a 99-year

3142
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:10,479
affordability period would be required.

3143
02:36:10,479 --> 02:36:13,200
The policy also proposes that a 50-year

3144
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:15,200
minimum period of affordability to

3145
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:18,080
receive lowinterest loans and any one uh

3146
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:25,110
types of tax incentive [laughter]

3147
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:27,520
proposes that projects must meet minimum

3148
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:29,680
affordability percentages ensuring

3149
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,760
deeper affordability for those most in

3150
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:33,439
need with a focus on family and

3151
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:36,479
accessible units. based on initial

3152
02:36:36,479 --> 02:36:38,399
developer feedback and to be more in

3153
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:41,040
alignment with state litec. The draft

3154
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:43,760
policy was already updated and greatly

3155
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:45,760
reduced the requirements for targeted

3156
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:49,120
housing types. In the revised draft um

3157
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:52,800
as you can see um in yellow up to 20% of

3158
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:54,560
units may be income targeted for

3159
02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:58,240
households up to 120% AMI. I want to

3160
02:36:58,240 --> 02:36:59,760
note that this would also be a

3161
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:01,840
significant policy change for Lawrence

3162
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:03,920
as currently projects must serve

3163
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:06,640
households at or under 80% AMI to

3164
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:10,080
receive subsidy the same as LITC and um

3165
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:12,800
HUD. Enabling some units to serve

3166
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:14,560
moderate and middle inome households

3167
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:16,960
helps us to build more of the missing

3168
02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:18,960
middle housing stock in addition to

3169
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:20,960
helping to uh increase project

3170
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:25,429
feasibility.

3171
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:27,840
to provide an example of what them this

3172
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:30,000
might look like. Say a project will be

3173
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:33,439
building 10 new affordable homes in this

3174
02:37:33,439 --> 02:37:36,160
policy. Out of those 10, two of them may

3175
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:38,880
be income targeted to households up to

3176
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:42,080
120 uh% AMI. Four of them would be

3177
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:44,800
income targeted to households uh between

3178
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:47,920
60 and 80, 8% AMI, and four would be

3179
02:37:47,920 --> 02:37:49,600
income targeted to households at or

3180
02:37:49,600 --> 02:37:52,880
under 60% AMI. In addition, the project

3181
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:55,439
must include at least two units that are

3182
02:37:55,439 --> 02:37:57,600
three or more bedrooms fully accessible

3183
02:37:57,600 --> 02:38:01,280
or income targeted for 30% or below AMI.

3184
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:03,280
In this scenario, the developer elects

3185
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:05,280
to build one family housing unit for

3186
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:08,080
households at up to 80% AMI and one

3187
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:10,080
additional fully accessible unit for

3188
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:13,439
households up to 60% AMI. This ensures

3189
02:38:13,439 --> 02:38:15,840
that with every develop fin development

3190
02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:18,000
finance with public subsidy, the

3191
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:19,920
community is gaining a minimal amount of

3192
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:21,520
the units that advance the city's

3193
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:28,309
targeted housing goal.

3194
02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:29,120
To get a [clears throat] better

3195
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:31,280
understanding of how AMI translates into

3196
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:33,120
actual household income, I've included

3197
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:36,000
this chart. AMI is based on family size,

3198
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:37,760
so it makes it a little complicated to

3199
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,240
give one number. So, I've included AMI

3200
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:42,319
levels for one, two, and four person

3201
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:45,200
households. Just as an example, the AMI

3202
02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:47,280
percentage in bold represents households

3203
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:49,200
traditionally eligible for affordable

3204
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:51,760
housing. I've also included a chart with

3205
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:53,760
typical wages in Lawrence to give you an

3206
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:55,520
idea of the workforce this housing

3207
02:38:55,520 --> 02:38:57,760
supports. This data is from the Bureau

3208
02:38:57,760 --> 02:38:59,840
of Labor Statistics and represents the

3209
02:38:59,840 --> 02:39:01,680
mean annual wage in Lawrence for some

3210
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:03,439
common jobs that are essential to our

3211
02:39:03,439 --> 02:39:05,920
community.

3212
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:08,160
Moving on, the policy also includes

3213
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:10,560
accessibil uh accessibility standards

3214
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:12,479
that ensure that publicly subsidized

3215
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:14,800
housing is usable and welcoming to all

3216
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:16,720
so that homes may be used by a wide

3217
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:19,040
range of occupants including all ages

3218
02:39:19,040 --> 02:39:21,760
and abilities.

3219
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:23,359
In the interest of time, I'm just going

3220
02:39:23,359 --> 02:39:25,359
to note that the policy also includes

3221
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:27,439
requirements pertaining to the criteria

3222
02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:29,200
shown here, all of which are fairly

3223
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:30,880
standard and covered in the policy

3224
02:39:30,880 --> 02:39:32,880
itself. I'm happy to provide any

3225
02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:36,640
additional detail upon request.

3226
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:38,800
The agenda item packet includes the

3227
02:39:38,800 --> 02:39:41,359
policy original draft used for community

3228
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:43,840
engagement and an updated redline draft

3229
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:45,600
reflecting changes made based on

3230
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:48,240
community feedback. The redline version

3231
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,160
provides additional clarity and language

3232
02:39:50,160 --> 02:39:52,319
and explicitly broadens eligibility

3233
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:55,200
criteria um to make clear that the

3234
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:57,120
intent is not just new development but

3235
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:00,319
also rehabs, conversion um from market

3236
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:03,040
rate to affordable etc. The final policy

3237
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:05,040
will additionally be streamlined by

3238
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:07,200
removing administrative processes and

3239
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:08,720
design standards into separate

3240
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:11,580
accompanying documents.

3241
02:40:11,580 --> 02:40:13,359
[clears throat]

3242
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:15,600
We aim for timely implementation with

3243
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:17,680
your feedback shaping the final policy

3244
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:19,600
which we anticipate bringing for

3245
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:22,000
approval by the end of this quarter. One

3246
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:24,640
important note on implementation, some

3247
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:26,479
components of the policy will need to be

3248
02:40:26,479 --> 02:40:28,960
phased in based on funding availability.

3249
02:40:28,960 --> 02:40:30,640
For example, we don't have any

3250
02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:33,359
additional resources allocated in 2026

3251
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:36,000
to cover fee waiverss. As we have

3252
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:39,280
discussed recently, all 2026 affordable

3253
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:40,880
housing trust funds have been fully

3254
02:40:40,880 --> 02:40:43,280
allocated. Due to these and other budget

3255
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:45,280
constraints, full implementation of all

3256
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:47,120
elements of the policy will not be

3257
02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:51,190
possible until 2027.

3258
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:53,439
staff would value the following uh

3259
02:40:53,439 --> 02:40:55,520
specific guidance from the governing

3260
02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:59,439
body in addition to um to any any

3261
02:40:59,439 --> 02:41:01,520
discussion you may have. But I want to

3262
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:03,840
provide um additional clarity on what

3263
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:05,520
we're asking for in a couple of these

3264
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:07,439
items because I don't think my slide is

3265
02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:09,920
very clear. So for the first item

3266
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:11,920
regarding broader focused goals, the

3267
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:14,160
question really is, is the commission's

3268
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:16,560
priority to broadly and primarily

3269
02:41:16,560 --> 02:41:18,880
support larger multifamily rental

3270
02:41:18,880 --> 02:41:21,760
projects or be more targeted to drive

3271
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:23,439
development of the housing types that

3272
02:41:23,439 --> 02:41:25,760
are most needed in advancing goals such

3273
02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:27,520
as affordable home ownership,

3274
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:29,920
family-sized, accessible, and deeply

3275
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:31,920
affordable units that don't normally

3276
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:34,479
come with those larger multifamily,

3277
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:37,200
typically LITC projects.

3278
02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:40,399
Regarding the last um item uh regarding

3279
02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:42,399
additional incentives, the question is

3280
02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:44,479
is the commission is interested in

3281
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:46,640
exploring additional land use incentives

3282
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:49,520
and expediated review processes. I'm

3283
02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:52,000
happy to provide further explanation for

3284
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:54,800
any of these items at your request. Um

3285
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:56,800
this concludes the presentation but I'm

3286
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:58,560
happy to leave this slide up as it may

3287
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:00,960
help to guide uh your discussion and

3288
02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:02,720
we'll stand for any questions. Thank you

3289
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:04,080
so much.

3290
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:09,429
>> Thank you Leah. questions for Leah.

3291
02:42:09,429 --> 02:42:09,439
» Thank you Leah. questions for Leah.

3292
02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:13,750
Who would like to start?

3293
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:16,640
I guess I can start. Well, people

3294
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:20,240
and I will say I um sadly started with

3295
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:22,080
the the first version before I realized

3296
02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:24,160
there was a second redline version. I

3297
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:25,600
started writing down questions and then

3298
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:27,280
I realized, hey, they answered some of

3299
02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:31,040
these. Um, so, um, my notes are a

3300
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:33,840
little, uh, confused, but I do have a, I

3301
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:36,000
mean, a couple couple questions and

3302
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:37,840
trying to think through how these would

3303
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:41,760
work. Um,

3304
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:44,000
you know, thinking about and I'll jump

3305
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:45,680
around a little bit. I mean, I I

3306
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:48,800
certainly understand the idea of

3307
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:51,120
trying to get more three-bedroom units

3308
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:52,880
because that's a, you know, low-inccome

3309
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:55,600
three-bedroom units is a is a priority.

3310
02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:59,920
I know. But how would that would would h

3311
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:02,560
putting that requirement in would that

3312
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,640
keep us from doing like senior housing

3313
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:07,120
projects that they probably don't need

3314
02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:08,560
three bedrooms in senior housing

3315
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:11,760
projects and and how would we work that

3316
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:13,520
policy

3317
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:17,439
in and try to balance those two?

3318
02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:21,600
Um in that requirement um the 20% of

3319
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:24,479
more targeted units, it's like a menu of

3320
02:43:24,479 --> 02:43:26,560
options that the developer can choose.

3321
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:28,960
So it's either three or more bedrooms

3322
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:31,680
for families or fully accessible units

3323
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:33,439
that would be great for seniors to age

3324
02:43:33,439 --> 02:43:37,280
in place or um units that are income

3325
02:43:37,280 --> 02:43:41,760
targeted for AMIs uh at 30% or below.

3326
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:44,309
>> Okay, so that's a an option, not a

3327
02:43:44,309 --> 02:43:44,319
» Okay, so that's a an option, not a

3328
02:43:44,319 --> 02:43:45,760
single requirement. Okay, thank you. I

3329
02:43:45,760 --> 02:43:50,309
missed that. I missed that. Um,

3330
02:43:50,319 --> 02:43:52,880
so you know, of course, we've done quite

3331
02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:55,520
a few LITC projects that have less than

3332
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:57,439
50 years.

3333
02:43:57,439 --> 02:44:00,178
Um, and

3334
02:44:00,178 --> 02:44:01,359
[snorts]

3335
02:44:01,359 --> 02:44:03,120
looking across the state and and you

3336
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:04,560
know, I know you mentioned some

3337
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:07,439
communities have longer periods. I mean,

3338
02:44:07,439 --> 02:44:09,600
do we expect if we adopted this that

3339
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:12,800
we'd never have a LITC project again in

3340
02:44:12,800 --> 02:44:14,800
the city, or would we expect LITC

3341
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:17,600
projects to come and be okay with the

3342
02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:20,080
the 50-year loan, or or how do you see

3343
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:24,630
that playing out in practice?

3344
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:27,520
Based on um the data from other

3345
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:30,479
communities that have

3346
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:32,929
many periods of affordability,

3347
02:44:32,929 --> 02:44:33,520
[clears throat]

3348
02:44:33,520 --> 02:44:36,080
we would not see any reduction in LITC

3349
02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:40,160
projects to be anticipated. Um Vermont,

3350
02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:42,319
the whole state requires permanent

3351
02:44:42,319 --> 02:44:46,240
affordability and they have continued to

3352
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:49,920
have a wait list. Um LITC projects still

3353
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:52,080
are very competitive.

3354
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:54,720
Um, and a lot of the local

3355
02:44:54,720 --> 02:44:57,359
municipalities that we often look at to

3356
02:44:57,359 --> 02:45:00,640
compare Lawrence to, many of those local

3357
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:03,760
municipalities have uh required longer

3358
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:06,240
periods of affordability. Uh, many

3359
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:09,200
require permanent or permanent 99 years

3360
02:45:09,200 --> 02:45:11,760
of affordability. And again, they have

3361
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:14,800
not seen any reduction that um continues

3362
02:45:14,800 --> 02:45:17,520
to be a very competitive program. And

3363
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:20,080
what has shown to reduce litech projects

3364
02:45:20,080 --> 02:45:22,479
is the amount of credits available

3365
02:45:22,479 --> 02:45:25,120
through through the program itself.

3366
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:25,990
>> Yeah,

3367
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:26,000
» Yeah,

3368
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:28,630
>> we know that's a problem. [snorts] Um

3369
02:45:28,630 --> 02:45:28,640
» we know that's a problem. [snorts] Um

3370
02:45:28,640 --> 02:45:30,550
>> so then tell me h [laughter] how would

3371
02:45:30,550 --> 02:45:30,560
» so then tell me h [laughter] how would

3372
02:45:30,560 --> 02:45:34,319
the loan repayment work? Um is that a

3373
02:45:34,319 --> 02:45:35,840
loan that they're making payments on for

3374
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:37,920
the 50 years? Is a is a loan repayment

3375
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:39,920
due at the end of the 50 years? H how

3376
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:43,600
does that practically work?

3377
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:45,520
That's something that staff would need

3378
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:49,120
to um develop policies and procedures

3379
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:50,880
for. First, we wanted to get

3380
02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:54,399
commission's um interest in exploring

3381
02:45:54,399 --> 02:45:57,040
that um as an option and if the

3382
02:45:57,040 --> 02:45:58,560
commission is interested, then we'll

3383
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:01,120
move into what those administrative

3384
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:03,760
details uh would be. I do want to note

3385
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:05,680
and Danny might be able to speak more to

3386
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:08,640
this, but our uh division currently

3387
02:46:08,640 --> 02:46:11,120
operates loans through the CDBG program.

3388
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:13,520
So we do have some idea and a mechanism

3389
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:15,920
for operating loans.

3390
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:18,230
>> Yeah. I just didn't know like with a

3391
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:18,240
» Yeah. I just didn't know like with a

3392
02:46:18,240 --> 02:46:20,080
LITC project or whatever there's a

3393
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:23,120
50-year for example instead of 999 and

3394
02:46:23,120 --> 02:46:24,640
just just trying to understand how that

3395
02:46:24,640 --> 02:46:30,950
payment payment back would work. Um

3396
02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:35,990
there in section

3397
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:38,560
uh section I think 28 there's some

3398
02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:41,840
language in there about um sites being

3399
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:44,720
ineligible or may be eligible or

3400
02:46:44,720 --> 02:46:48,880
whatever in when wetlands

3401
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:52,800
um I I think the original version said

3402
02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:54,800
if it had a significant impact on

3403
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:57,279
wetlands I think the the the secondary

3404
02:46:57,279 --> 02:47:00,240
version said they'd just be ineligible

3405
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:04,880
if there was any wetlands involved. Um,

3406
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:06,720
and I guess if we went with the first

3407
02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:11,120
version of impact on wetlands, who would

3408
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:14,640
make that decision

3409
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:18,399
um the impact versus

3410
02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:20,240
um I mean I think the second way would

3411
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:22,800
be cleaner but also more limiting. So I

3412
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:24,399
just wondered the thought process on

3413
02:47:24,399 --> 02:47:27,279
those two options.

3414
02:47:27,279 --> 02:47:29,120
Um, that's a really good question,

3415
02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:32,160
Mayor. And, um, I'm wondering if Jeff

3416
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:33,920
might have some ideas. That's not

3417
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:36,240
something that we've um, discussed. That

3418
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:40,399
language was uh, copied, borrowed from,

3419
02:47:40,399 --> 02:47:43,680
uh, Kansas Litec policies.

3420
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:46,000
Um, and we have not discussed internally

3421
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:47,920
how that would be implemented or

3422
02:47:47,920 --> 02:47:48,960
enforced.

3423
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:51,030
>> And just so I'm clear, which is was the

3424
02:47:51,030 --> 02:47:51,040
» And just so I'm clear, which is was the

3425
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:52,960
first language,

3426
02:47:52,960 --> 02:47:54,870
>> correct? the second language the

3427
02:47:54,870 --> 02:47:54,880
» correct? the second language the

3428
02:47:54,880 --> 02:47:57,120
application is ineligible or is it the

3429
02:47:57,120 --> 02:47:59,040
first language about the impact that's

3430
02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:01,279
in the lit language

3431
02:48:01,279 --> 02:48:03,670
>> the the original draft language was from

3432
02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:03,680
» the the original draft language was from

3433
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:04,399
litec

3434
02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:07,190
>> okay typically wetlands get delineated

3435
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:07,200
» okay typically wetlands get delineated

3436
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:10,000
by a federal agencies effectively it's

3437
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:11,760
not something that the city typically

3438
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:13,600
lays out or works with so if it gets

3439
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:15,600
delineated as part of that process with

3440
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:17,120
one of the federal agencies it usually

3441
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:18,560
shows up on the maps and we usually

3442
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:20,720
follow that process because it's pretty

3443
02:48:20,720 --> 02:48:22,720
extensive to be displayed on that and

3444
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:24,000
there's also So, a lot of changes

3445
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:25,760
that'll occur from time to time on that

3446
02:48:25,760 --> 02:48:28,240
is what constitutes a wetlands or how

3447
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:29,600
wetlands are governed under federal

3448
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:31,359
laws. And so, it's kind of hard to

3449
02:48:31,359 --> 02:48:32,800
sometimes keep up with all the different

3450
02:48:32,800 --> 02:48:34,160
changes, but we usually just rely on

3451
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:36,479
that as part of our standard process.

3452
02:48:36,479 --> 02:48:40,469
>> Okay. And I guess that relates um and

3453
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:40,479
» Okay. And I guess that relates um and

3454
02:48:40,479 --> 02:48:43,279
not not for you, Jeff, I don't think. Um

3455
02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:46,880
but uh you know I know there's knowing

3456
02:48:46,880 --> 02:48:50,319
that there's a limited number of LITC

3457
02:48:50,319 --> 02:48:52,960
um projects going to be available in the

3458
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:58,070
state of Kansas. Um

3459
02:48:58,080 --> 02:49:00,160
you know I wondered about something in

3460
02:49:00,160 --> 02:49:01,920
the policy

3461
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:06,630
that um

3462
02:49:06,640 --> 02:49:09,439
you know helped us you know be in line

3463
02:49:09,439 --> 02:49:12,560
for LITC projects. I mean this this this

3464
02:49:12,560 --> 02:49:14,960
would be an example for example this

3465
02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:17,279
example of wetlands. I mean if if the

3466
02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:19,840
state determines it does not have an

3467
02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:22,080
impact on wetlands if we use that

3468
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:24,880
language could we just accept that and

3469
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:27,359
not have to do our own evaluation.

3470
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:30,720
Um you know I of course this came up a

3471
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:33,040
couple weeks ago. Another thought was,

3472
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:35,040
you know, the the points related to fee

3473
02:49:35,040 --> 02:49:36,479
waiverss. And I know we can't do fee

3474
02:49:36,479 --> 02:49:39,600
waiverss per se, but you know, allowing

3475
02:49:39,600 --> 02:49:41,680
people to be if they get LITC approval,

3476
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:44,880
they'll automatically

3477
02:49:44,880 --> 02:49:48,080
receive a fee waiver so that the points

3478
02:49:48,080 --> 02:49:50,399
can be maximized and therefore they have

3479
02:49:50,399 --> 02:49:52,319
a better chance of ultimately receiving

3480
02:49:52,319 --> 02:49:54,080
it. I guess I'm just trying to think out

3481
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:58,319
loud is have you seen any policies that

3482
02:49:58,319 --> 02:50:01,439
somehow um

3483
02:50:01,439 --> 02:50:03,200
you know

3484
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:06,640
help LITC people you know our community

3485
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:09,040
get awarded some of the limited LITC.

3486
02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:11,920
Does that make sense?

3487
02:50:11,920 --> 02:50:15,510
>> Yeah. There are um several

3488
02:50:15,510 --> 02:50:15,520
» Yeah. There are um several

3489
02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:18,720
um categories for which projects receive

3490
02:50:18,720 --> 02:50:21,120
points based on local support. as we've

3491
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:24,240
discussed fee waiverss, um below

3492
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:27,200
interest loans is another one, municipal

3493
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:30,640
land donations is another one and then

3494
02:50:30,640 --> 02:50:33,600
other types of local uh grants like uh

3495
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:36,640
CDBG for example or home could could be

3496
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:41,040
considered in that. Um so those are

3497
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:43,760
those are the ways that the applications

3498
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:45,359
would score higher. I think your

3499
02:50:45,359 --> 02:50:49,120
question about, you know, automatically

3500
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:51,279
providing fee waiverss or other types of

3501
02:50:51,279 --> 02:50:54,800
incentives for LITC projects, I guess

3502
02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:57,359
that's really, you know, that's a policy

3503
02:50:57,359 --> 02:50:59,200
question for the commission to consider

3504
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:02,720
is the intent um as I understand it and

3505
02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:05,520
as I've discussed with KHRC, the intent

3506
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:08,560
is to gauge the local community's

3507
02:51:08,560 --> 02:51:11,520
support of a particular project. How

3508
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:13,840
much is your local community behind it?

3509
02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:15,840
How much does this project reflect the

3510
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:17,520
needs of your local community? And

3511
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:19,439
that's indicated through things like fee

3512
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:22,319
wavers and loans or grants, etc.

3513
02:51:22,319 --> 02:51:25,840
Um, so does our community, you know, do

3514
02:51:25,840 --> 02:51:28,319
we want to,

3515
02:51:28,319 --> 02:51:30,560
um, I guess use incentives as a way of

3516
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:32,880
prioritizing certain projects or do we

3517
02:51:32,880 --> 02:51:35,279
want to take what Kansas

3518
02:51:35,279 --> 02:51:39,120
um, you know, the state um,

3519
02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:42,479
believes to be the most vital or, you

3520
02:51:42,479 --> 02:51:44,080
know, the best project for our

3521
02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:46,720
community. I think really that's the

3522
02:51:46,720 --> 02:51:47,680
question.

3523
02:51:47,680 --> 02:51:49,830
>> I see.

3524
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:49,840
» I see.

3525
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:53,739
Um,

3526
02:51:53,749 --> 02:51:54,399
[snorts]

3527
02:51:54,399 --> 02:51:57,680
okay. I was checking here. We did change

3528
02:51:57,680 --> 02:51:59,439
the caps from the first version to the

3529
02:51:59,439 --> 02:52:01,120
second. Okay, that's good. I'm looking

3530
02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:03,680
at the affordable housing part.

3531
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:07,349
>> Um,

3532
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:10,880
my question in this is I'm in in uh part

3533
02:52:10,880 --> 02:52:12,319
eight, which is the affordable housing

3534
02:52:12,319 --> 02:52:14,240
trust fund

3535
02:52:14,240 --> 02:52:15,840
process.

3536
02:52:15,840 --> 02:52:18,640
Um [cough] section five is the

3537
02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:21,760
affordable housing trust fund procedure

3538
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:23,840
of part 8.

3539
02:52:23,840 --> 02:52:25,030
>> What page?

3540
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:25,040
» What page?

3541
02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:29,910
>> Um it is page 90 of 158.

3542
02:52:29,910 --> 02:52:29,920
» Um it is page 90 of 158.

3543
02:52:29,920 --> 02:52:31,729
>> Okay.

3544
02:52:31,729 --> 02:52:31,739
» Okay.

3545
02:52:31,739 --> 02:52:36,630
[snorts] Um,

3546
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:44,150
I guess my

3547
02:52:44,160 --> 02:52:46,800
I see how I would ask this question.

3548
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:48,720
Well, first of all, is is the procedure

3549
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:51,680
set out in in section five here on page

3550
02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:53,840
8990? Is that what we do now or is there

3551
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:56,640
a suggestion in changing

3552
02:52:56,640 --> 02:52:59,680
um the procedure? I I think it's similar

3553
02:52:59,680 --> 02:53:01,680
to what we do now, but I I guess I was

3554
02:53:01,680 --> 02:53:06,870
Let me ask it that way first.

3555
02:53:06,880 --> 02:53:09,600
» Currently, the the policy outlines a

3556
02:53:09,600 --> 02:53:13,520
procedure um from the affordable housing

3557
02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:15,680
uh trust fund no notice of funding

3558
02:53:15,680 --> 02:53:18,160
opportunity and is similar to how we run

3559
02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:21,520
the process. Now, I think a ch um a

3560
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:25,200
change would be to consider if we want

3561
02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:27,279
to continue if we do adopt this policy,

3562
02:53:27,279 --> 02:53:29,120
does it make sense to continue to only

3563
02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:33,920
have an annual application cycle? Um my

3564
02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:36,399
uh my recommendation is that that does

3565
02:53:36,399 --> 02:53:40,720
not work for development projects. um

3566
02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:42,960
that it perhaps would make more sense

3567
02:53:42,960 --> 02:53:45,439
for a developer to submit one incentive

3568
02:53:45,439 --> 02:53:47,840
application which can be analyzed,

3569
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:52,160
reviewed, and considered for approval um

3570
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:54,319
with all the incentives requested at one

3571
02:53:54,319 --> 02:53:56,479
time including trust funds. That would

3572
02:53:56,479 --> 02:53:58,319
mean a change in how we run the trust

3573
02:53:58,319 --> 02:54:01,040
fund process.

3574
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:03,429
>> And does that is what proposed in here

3575
02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:03,439
» And does that is what proposed in here

3576
02:54:03,439 --> 02:54:05,439
does that make that change or is that

3577
02:54:05,439 --> 02:54:07,840
something because I tend to agree with

3578
02:54:07,840 --> 02:54:11,200
you. I I mean I read this and I thought

3579
02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:13,120
to myself that's pretty limiting. I mean

3580
02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:15,040
we talk about having one meeting and

3581
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:17,120
then a second meeting by video and this

3582
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:20,000
and that and that seemed pretty detailed

3583
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:25,680
for policy. Um and I mean and then I did

3584
02:54:25,680 --> 02:54:27,200
write down this idea of only doing it

3585
02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:30,960
once a year. Um so the way it's written

3586
02:54:30,960 --> 02:54:33,200
now is it does it have that flexibility

3587
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:36,160
or is that something we could look at?

3588
02:54:36,160 --> 02:54:39,040
I would suggest that we revise it. And I

3589
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:40,640
don't know if Jeff or Danny want to

3590
02:54:40,640 --> 02:54:43,359
speak more to this, but

3591
02:54:43,359 --> 02:54:48,240
um we we um went back and forth on, you

3592
02:54:48,240 --> 02:54:51,600
know, do we do we present um the

3593
02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:53,920
affordable housing trust fund as it's

3594
02:54:53,920 --> 02:54:56,560
currently conducted? Or do we also

3595
02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:58,800
recommend simultaneously that perhaps

3596
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:01,359
the affordable housing advisory board

3597
02:55:01,359 --> 02:55:03,840
has a portion of the trust funds that's

3598
02:55:03,840 --> 02:55:06,479
within their purview to allocate or

3599
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:09,279
recommend awards for and that perhaps

3600
02:55:09,279 --> 02:55:11,600
another pot of funds would be available

3601
02:55:11,600 --> 02:55:13,439
for incentives that would come with

3602
02:55:13,439 --> 02:55:15,680
staff recommendation. But since

3603
02:55:15,680 --> 02:55:17,520
currently all of the affordable housing

3604
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:20,800
trust funds are um per ordinance

3605
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:23,040
connected to the affordable housing

3606
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:25,359
advisory board,

3607
02:55:25,359 --> 02:55:27,840
um I was hesitant to put a policy

3608
02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:31,120
recommendation that would be contrary to

3609
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:33,200
another [snorts] current policy similar

3610
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:36,240
to fee waiverss if that makes I hope I'm

3611
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:37,279
making sense.

3612
02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:40,070
>> I think I think you make sense and I do

3613
02:55:40,070 --> 02:55:40,080
» I think I think you make sense and I do

3614
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:41,760
think that's something I'm I'm

3615
02:55:41,760 --> 02:55:45,120
interested in. Um,

3616
02:55:45,120 --> 02:55:47,200
and obviously we can talk about that,

3617
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:50,399
but I do think having more flexibility

3618
02:55:50,399 --> 02:55:53,040
to I mean we've we've had some

3619
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:54,880
disjointed projects come through where

3620
02:55:54,880 --> 02:55:58,640
we're doing OI projects and then later

3621
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:00,479
we have Ahab, we have to wait on Ahab

3622
02:56:00,479 --> 02:56:02,240
and we're not considering them all at

3623
02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:04,160
the same time, all the incentives

3624
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:06,479
together and then we have to wait to see

3625
02:56:06,479 --> 02:56:08,399
if Ahab's going to approve it and all

3626
02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:10,240
that. I mean, it it does seem to make

3627
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:13,760
sense to me to have a a way to run a a

3628
02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:18,319
whole procedure together and not

3629
02:56:18,319 --> 02:56:19,760
do that. So, that is something I'm

3630
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:22,720
interested in. Okay, I have

3631
02:56:22,720 --> 02:56:25,040
um

3632
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:26,479
one more question, then I'll let other

3633
02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:30,000
people ask questions. Um

3634
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:32,960
this is 14B.

3635
02:56:32,960 --> 02:56:36,640
What was Let's see. Um

3636
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:40,469
where did I see this?

3637
02:56:40,479 --> 02:56:42,800
non-residential meet the I wrote this

3638
02:56:42,800 --> 02:56:44,240
down. I'm trying to find the right spot.

3639
02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:46,319
Non-residentidential

3640
02:56:46,319 --> 02:56:48,560
meets the e um economic development

3641
02:56:48,560 --> 02:56:50,880
policy.

3642
02:56:50,880 --> 02:56:52,560
Um

3643
02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:54,960
I think those that was up earlier as one

3644
02:56:54,960 --> 02:56:56,560
of the eligibility criteria that the

3645
02:56:56,560 --> 02:56:58,240
non-residential

3646
02:56:58,240 --> 02:57:01,439
portion of any project meet the economic

3647
02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:03,760
development policy. I guess I wanted to

3648
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:05,120
understand a little bit more what that

3649
02:57:05,120 --> 02:57:06,960
meant. Would that mean they have to have

3650
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:10,240
meet our policy of certain wages, that

3651
02:57:10,240 --> 02:57:12,240
sort of thing, or what do we mean by

3652
02:57:12,240 --> 02:57:18,150
that eligibility requirement?

3653
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:21,439
Yeah, just as you stated mayor that um

3654
02:57:21,439 --> 02:57:23,359
or any commercial component to the

3655
02:57:23,359 --> 02:57:26,080
project um

3656
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:28,160
that that that component would also need

3657
02:57:28,160 --> 02:57:29,920
to meet the criteria under economic

3658
02:57:29,920 --> 02:57:31,600
development because affordable housing

3659
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:34,000
is not going to be evaluating

3660
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:38,160
um the strengths or um benefit to the

3661
02:57:38,160 --> 02:57:41,760
commercial component of any project.

3662
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:44,160
But I guess what I'm

3663
02:57:44,160 --> 02:57:48,319
and maybe the work would a work live be

3664
02:57:48,319 --> 02:57:49,680
considered. I mean, I think about some

3665
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:50,880
of the projects we've done where we've

3666
02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:52,560
had the work live component on the first

3667
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:55,120
floor and I don't think we've put any

3668
02:57:55,120 --> 02:57:58,640
requirements on what the work part of

3669
02:57:58,640 --> 02:58:01,359
that is meeting our economic development

3670
02:58:01,359 --> 02:58:03,920
policy like

3671
02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:08,240
um you know base wages or anything like

3672
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:10,720
that, job growth or is that what this

3673
02:58:10,720 --> 02:58:12,479
means or would this be like purely

3674
02:58:12,479 --> 02:58:15,680
commercial like if we're having a

3675
02:58:15,680 --> 02:58:17,920
someone wants to put a coffee shop on

3676
02:58:17,920 --> 02:58:19,359
the first Well, I I guess I don't

3677
02:58:19,359 --> 02:58:20,960
understand that what we're trying to

3678
02:58:20,960 --> 02:58:23,359
accomplish there. Leah, is it more like

3679
02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:25,439
so I mean we've had a couple of folks

3680
02:58:25,439 --> 02:58:27,279
bring together [clears throat] bring to

3681
02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:30,080
us mixeduse developments where to your

3682
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:31,680
point where there is commercial on the

3683
02:58:31,680 --> 02:58:33,680
bottom some iteration of commercial on

3684
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:35,279
the bottom housing on top. But the idea

3685
02:58:35,279 --> 02:58:41,439
of if from a from a floor from the the

3686
02:58:41,439 --> 02:58:46,319
total gross of the the number the the

3687
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:49,600
square footage exceeds.

3688
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:50,960
What this is saying is that if it

3689
02:58:50,960 --> 02:58:54,319
exceeds 25% of if the commercial part

3690
02:58:54,319 --> 02:58:59,680
exceeds 25% of the total gross floor

3691
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:02,960
number then this is not an affordable

3692
02:59:02,960 --> 02:59:05,359
housing project. Therefore, a dollar

3693
02:59:05,359 --> 02:59:07,520
should not be there. It should go it

3694
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:08,560
should meet the requirements of the

3695
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:10,000
economic development policies and

3696
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:11,359
procedures.

3697
02:59:11,359 --> 02:59:12,790
>> Did I correct? Okay.

3698
02:59:12,790 --> 02:59:12,800
» Did I correct? Okay.

3699
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:14,469
>> Okay, that helps me. Thank you. Thank

3700
02:59:14,469 --> 02:59:14,479
» Okay, that helps me. Thank you. Thank

3701
02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:15,040
you for that.

3702
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:16,630
>> Thank you.

3703
02:59:16,630 --> 02:59:16,640
» Thank you.

3704
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,590
>> That I was mixing it. Yeah.

3705
02:59:19,590 --> 02:59:19,600
» That I was mixing it. Yeah.

3706
02:59:19,600 --> 02:59:22,080
There it is. Okay, that's the 25%. Okay,

3707
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:23,840
those are at least the start of my

3708
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:26,720
questions. Other questions people have

3709
02:59:26,720 --> 02:59:28,640
at the moment?

3710
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:31,510
>> I I do have

3711
02:59:31,510 --> 02:59:31,520
» I I do have

3712
02:59:31,520 --> 02:59:33,680
I'm I'm trying to do a comment here. So,

3713
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:36,640
in regards to the revolving loan piece

3714
02:59:36,640 --> 02:59:37,840
um with [snorts and clears throat] some

3715
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:39,840
of the language, I guess, so I'll get to

3716
02:59:39,840 --> 02:59:41,840
that in comments because I I do

3717
02:59:41,840 --> 02:59:44,720
appreciate that coming before us. I

3718
02:59:44,720 --> 02:59:47,200
guess my question would be Danny for so

3719
02:59:47,200 --> 02:59:49,359
with with some of the pol with if any of

3720
02:59:49,359 --> 02:59:51,279
the policy changes that we implement

3721
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:52,960
tonight is that going to affect our

3722
02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:55,520
current um

3723
02:59:55,520 --> 02:59:59,840
CDGB um because we just did a we just

3724
02:59:59,840 --> 03:00:02,880
reup the plan so would we need to make

3725
03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:05,200
modifications to

3726
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:07,600
to our plan um how we've implement how

3727
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:09,439
we've strategized dollars?

3728
03:00:09,439 --> 03:00:11,990
>> Uh good evening. Um it should not affect

3729
03:00:11,990 --> 03:00:12,000
» Uh good evening. Um it should not affect

3730
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:14,720
our plan. um

3731
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:17,120
we would have a very robust educational

3732
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:20,560
piece if there's ever any crossing of

3733
03:00:20,560 --> 03:00:22,800
the two different funding sources

3734
03:00:22,800 --> 03:00:25,670
>> just because the uh anytime you put a

3735
03:00:25,670 --> 03:00:25,680
» just because the uh anytime you put a

3736
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:27,680
dollar of federal funds in something it

3737
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:31,680
drastically changes a project. So um in

3738
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:33,840
terms of what we have we would not have

3739
03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:35,359
to change anything. It would just be the

3740
03:00:35,359 --> 03:00:36,880
educational piece on the other end.

3741
03:00:36,880 --> 03:00:39,269
>> Okay.

3742
03:00:39,269 --> 03:00:39,279
» Okay.

3743
03:00:39,279 --> 03:00:42,560
And then um

3744
03:00:42,560 --> 03:00:45,120
because some of the stuff around and I

3745
03:00:45,120 --> 03:00:47,120
could be jumping ahead as far as the

3746
03:00:47,120 --> 03:00:49,600
kind of the the the layout and the

3747
03:00:49,600 --> 03:00:52,000
design of

3748
03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:55,760
of a loan program. So let's say we we we

3749
03:00:55,760 --> 03:00:57,760
go full charge with this and we start to

3750
03:00:57,760 --> 03:01:00,800
expand it and we look at you know are

3751
03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:03,040
there CDFIs

3752
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:05,040
of you know in the region that we could

3753
03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:07,120
have access to you know or working with

3754
03:01:07,120 --> 03:01:09,439
some of our local financial institutions

3755
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:14,240
to to be a part of that CRA aspect of

3756
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:17,840
it. Um,

3757
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:20,000
well,

3758
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:22,160
is is that kind of and I may be putting

3759
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:24,399
words in in folks mouth, but is that

3760
03:01:24,399 --> 03:01:26,080
kind of what you were thinking about as

3761
03:01:26,080 --> 03:01:28,960
related to the loan program so that we

3762
03:01:28,960 --> 03:01:32,080
have additional dollars to leverage

3763
03:01:32,080 --> 03:01:36,000
against AHAB dollars in order to if that

3764
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:37,520
was something we chose to do.

3765
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:39,429
>> Um, I think that all options are on the

3766
03:01:39,429 --> 03:01:39,439
» Um, I think that all options are on the

3767
03:01:39,439 --> 03:01:42,160
table for that. uh we just have our no

3768
03:01:42,160 --> 03:01:44,399
interest loans right now that that we

3769
03:01:44,399 --> 03:01:48,080
do. So I I think the the point of saying

3770
03:01:48,080 --> 03:01:49,680
that we had it with CDBG was just that

3771
03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:51,840
we already have kind of our work in

3772
03:01:51,840 --> 03:01:53,920
working with finance. So that would be

3773
03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:55,359
again we were kind of just trying to

3774
03:01:55,359 --> 03:01:56,880
determine the appetite and if that's

3775
03:01:56,880 --> 03:01:58,240
something that the commission was

3776
03:01:58,240 --> 03:02:00,319
interested in and then we would really

3777
03:02:00,319 --> 03:02:02,640
fully dive in and explore that

3778
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,950
>> and that's handled internally as far as

3779
03:02:04,950 --> 03:02:04,960
» and that's handled internally as far as

3780
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:06,080
the

3781
03:02:06,080 --> 03:02:08,150
>> with the dollars of the loans. Okay.

3782
03:02:08,150 --> 03:02:08,160
» with the dollars of the loans. Okay.

3783
03:02:08,160 --> 03:02:10,399
Yes. Yes.

3784
03:02:10,399 --> 03:02:10,800
Okay.

3785
03:02:10,800 --> 03:02:12,469
>> The interest adds another element to

3786
03:02:12,469 --> 03:02:12,479
» The interest adds another element to

3787
03:02:12,479 --> 03:02:14,000
that though that I

3788
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:14,309
>> Yeah.

3789
03:02:14,309 --> 03:02:14,319
» Yeah.

3790
03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:16,790
>> I don't know about [laughter]

3791
03:02:16,790 --> 03:02:16,800
» I don't know about [laughter]

3792
03:02:16,800 --> 03:02:18,479
Okay, that's good. That That's what I

3793
03:02:18,479 --> 03:02:19,200
have for now.

3794
03:02:19,200 --> 03:02:21,190
>> Okay. Thank you.

3795
03:02:21,190 --> 03:02:21,200
» Okay. Thank you.

3796
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:22,230
>> Other [snorts] questions?

3797
03:02:22,230 --> 03:02:22,240
» Other [snorts] questions?

3798
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:23,510
>> Yeah, I have a couple.

3799
03:02:23,510 --> 03:02:23,520
» Yeah, I have a couple.

3800
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:24,309
>> Okay.

3801
03:02:24,309 --> 03:02:24,319
» Okay.

3802
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:27,510
>> Um, in general, when we talk first, let

3803
03:02:27,510 --> 03:02:27,520
» Um, in general, when we talk first, let

3804
03:02:27,520 --> 03:02:29,439
me make a quick comment and thank you

3805
03:02:29,439 --> 03:02:32,560
for all of your uh diligence getting out

3806
03:02:32,560 --> 03:02:34,160
in the community and getting the

3807
03:02:34,160 --> 03:02:36,880
feedback. Along those lines, did we

3808
03:02:36,880 --> 03:02:39,920
include the school board in any way when

3809
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:44,389
we talk about this policy?

3810
03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:47,120
We met with the school district

3811
03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:52,399
um [clears throat] as uh as staff um

3812
03:02:52,399 --> 03:02:54,640
protocol was that we work with other

3813
03:02:54,640 --> 03:02:57,200
district staff. Um not reach out

3814
03:02:57,200 --> 03:03:00,399
directly to school board. Um, so we did

3815
03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:02,640
meet with district staff, the assistant

3816
03:03:02,640 --> 03:03:05,040
superintendent, and did let them know

3817
03:03:05,040 --> 03:03:06,960
that we'd be happy to have further

3818
03:03:06,960 --> 03:03:09,520
meetings. Um,

3819
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:11,040
um, and Jeff can

3820
03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:14,790
>> Yeah. Did you get any in that? [snorts]

3821
03:03:14,790 --> 03:03:14,800
» Yeah. Did you get any in that? [snorts]

3822
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:19,190
>> Well, they primarily um were focused on,

3823
03:03:19,190 --> 03:03:19,200
» Well, they primarily um were focused on,

3824
03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:22,160
I think, tax incentives and wanting to

3825
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:25,040
ensure that that the community sees a

3826
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:27,359
benefit to the district.

3827
03:03:27,359 --> 03:03:31,439
um particular on um an incentive like an

3828
03:03:31,439 --> 03:03:33,680
NRA where where they're voting to

3829
03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:35,600
approve.

3830
03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:37,670
>> Okay.

3831
03:03:37,670 --> 03:03:37,680
» Okay.

3832
03:03:37,680 --> 03:03:43,200
Um if I may, I see Shannon Alry, um CEO

3833
03:03:43,200 --> 03:03:44,800
of Lawrence Douglas County Housing

3834
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:46,800
Authority. Would you possibly mind

3835
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:49,200
coming in and

3836
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:52,479
uh giving a high level giving some

3837
03:03:52,479 --> 03:03:55,359
feedback if you don't mind? uh having

3838
03:03:55,359 --> 03:03:57,600
worked with you, I know you you know uh

3839
03:03:57,600 --> 03:03:59,040
affordable housing. I'd love to hear

3840
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:00,560
what you have to say.

3841
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:04,710
>> Sure. And is this I think I'm good. Um

3842
03:04:04,710 --> 03:04:04,720
» Sure. And is this I think I'm good. Um

3843
03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:06,960
so and the other thing that I'll say is

3844
03:04:06,960 --> 03:04:09,600
I was one of the original people on the

3845
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:12,399
affordable housing advisory board. So

3846
03:04:12,399 --> 03:04:14,880
kind of been involved as this process

3847
03:04:14,880 --> 03:04:19,760
has has evolved. Um, and I think the the

3848
03:04:19,760 --> 03:04:22,080
thing I like best about this is the

3849
03:04:22,080 --> 03:04:24,000
difference between the grant and the

3850
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:26,880
loan because from the housing

3851
03:04:26,880 --> 03:04:29,040
authorities perspective, we are in favor

3852
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:32,319
of every single affordable housing unit

3853
03:04:32,319 --> 03:04:35,359
we can get on the ground. Um, I voted

3854
03:04:35,359 --> 03:04:38,560
for when I was on that board for all the

3855
03:04:38,560 --> 03:04:41,760
LITC projects, but the difference that

3856
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:44,640
we constantly found was,

3857
03:04:44,640 --> 03:04:46,319
you know, we try to put a matrix

3858
03:04:46,319 --> 03:04:48,800
together. Well, a LITC project might be

3859
03:04:48,800 --> 03:04:53,600
might bring, you know, 80 units for 30

3860
03:04:53,600 --> 03:04:56,399
years, but [clears throat] the those of

3861
03:04:56,399 --> 03:05:00,240
us in like nonprofit tenants, US,

3862
03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:02,880
Habitat, maybe we were only bringing

3863
03:05:02,880 --> 03:05:06,560
four units. Um, but the difference in

3864
03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:08,560
those models is that the housing

3865
03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:11,680
authority, 70% of everybody we assist is

3866
03:05:11,680 --> 03:05:16,240
at or below 30% of AMI. So, I can never

3867
03:05:16,240 --> 03:05:20,640
make a proform work, right? Unless I get

3868
03:05:20,640 --> 03:05:22,880
a lot of money from you all. I mean,

3869
03:05:22,880 --> 03:05:26,000
it's just basic. Um, because when you

3870
03:05:26,000 --> 03:05:28,880
can only charge rent based on 30%, you

3871
03:05:28,880 --> 03:05:31,520
saw that number, $21,000.

3872
03:05:31,520 --> 03:05:34,640
I mean, you cannot rent in this town at

3873
03:05:34,640 --> 03:05:36,399
that level unless you're renting from

3874
03:05:36,399 --> 03:05:39,439
one of us. So, we've always had that

3875
03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:42,080
rub. And so what I like about this

3876
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:44,960
policy is the real difference of how do

3877
03:05:44,960 --> 03:05:47,200
we assist

3878
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:50,880
affordable housing at that very low end

3879
03:05:50,880 --> 03:05:53,279
without discouraging

3880
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:56,960
LITC because I think we want both. And

3881
03:05:56,960 --> 03:06:00,000
and you know I will say like I mean

3882
03:06:00,000 --> 03:06:01,760
union at the loop we have a hundred

3883
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:04,479
vouchers. We have a ton of vouchers at

3884
03:06:04,479 --> 03:06:08,640
Bethl. We have vouchers in every LITC

3885
03:06:08,640 --> 03:06:11,520
project. And so that's the sort of, you

3886
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:14,800
know, unenviable task that the staff had

3887
03:06:14,800 --> 03:06:17,040
and that you have is where do you sort

3888
03:06:17,040 --> 03:06:20,720
of cut that and and figure out how do

3889
03:06:20,720 --> 03:06:24,240
you incentivize both without

3890
03:06:24,240 --> 03:06:27,200
making it impossible for those of us on

3891
03:06:27,200 --> 03:06:29,279
the nonprofit/government

3892
03:06:29,279 --> 03:06:33,359
end of it to to put a deal together um

3893
03:06:33,359 --> 03:06:36,160
and not killing LITC. So So those are my

3894
03:06:36,160 --> 03:06:38,560
sort of high level. So, can I follow up

3895
03:06:38,560 --> 03:06:42,319
and ask why why does the loan help? I

3896
03:06:42,319 --> 03:06:44,000
guess when I read this, I thought the

3897
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:46,160
loan would discourage LITC. You seem to

3898
03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:48,160
say that helps the balance. How does

3899
03:06:48,160 --> 03:06:48,960
that

3900
03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:52,230
>> Well, because I mean and and Rebecca

3901
03:06:52,230 --> 03:06:52,240
» Well, because I mean and and Rebecca

3902
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:54,800
Buford is is she's the first of us out

3903
03:06:54,800 --> 03:06:56,880
there trying to do a LITC deal and

3904
03:06:56,880 --> 03:06:59,040
probably can speak better, but I mean

3905
03:06:59,040 --> 03:07:01,279
people all over the country do LITC

3906
03:07:01,279 --> 03:07:05,200
without any Ahab money without right. I

3907
03:07:05,200 --> 03:07:08,319
mean, we're one of the very few uh

3908
03:07:08,319 --> 03:07:12,000
cities who has a affordable housing tax.

3909
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:14,560
I mean, people do LITC all over the

3910
03:07:14,560 --> 03:07:19,760
country um without that money.

3911
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:23,269
>> But there is that soft money difference

3912
03:07:23,269 --> 03:07:23,279
» But there is that soft money difference

3913
03:07:23,279 --> 03:07:25,120
that they're trying to figure out a way

3914
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:28,960
to make up. And so if you can if you can

3915
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:32,720
sort of help them out, but then like if

3916
03:07:32,720 --> 03:07:34,880
you look at that and somebody's renting

3917
03:07:34,880 --> 03:07:38,800
at 80 most of the units are at 80% of

3918
03:07:38,800 --> 03:07:41,760
AMI, well that's not very far off

3919
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:45,760
market, right? So how come then they

3920
03:07:45,760 --> 03:07:47,840
wouldn't be able to pay back that back

3921
03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:50,000
into a fund to do more affordable

3922
03:07:50,000 --> 03:07:52,319
housing? That would be my thought on it

3923
03:07:52,319 --> 03:07:54,640
is isn't that then a way we're

3924
03:07:54,640 --> 03:07:58,000
generating future funds to pay back into

3925
03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:59,520
more affordable housing.

3926
03:07:59,520 --> 03:08:01,910
>> Appreciate that. Go ahead. You have

3927
03:08:01,910 --> 03:08:01,920
» Appreciate that. Go ahead. You have

3928
03:08:01,920 --> 03:08:03,279
other questions.

3929
03:08:03,279 --> 03:08:06,630
>> No, Shannon, thank you. Um I really do

3930
03:08:06,630 --> 03:08:06,640
» No, Shannon, thank you. Um I really do

3931
03:08:06,640 --> 03:08:08,160
appreciate your feedback.

3932
03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:10,230
>> Thank you.

3933
03:08:10,230 --> 03:08:10,240
» Thank you.

3934
03:08:10,240 --> 03:08:11,510
>> And you still get your three minutes

3935
03:08:11,510 --> 03:08:11,520
» And you still get your three minutes

3936
03:08:11,520 --> 03:08:14,479
later if you want. [laughter]

3937
03:08:14,479 --> 03:08:17,670
>> Um other questions before we open it up

3938
03:08:17,670 --> 03:08:17,680
» Um other questions before we open it up

3939
03:08:17,680 --> 03:08:18,080
and then

3940
03:08:18,080 --> 03:08:19,830
>> Yeah, just a quick question. So Leah, um

3941
03:08:19,830 --> 03:08:19,840
» Yeah, just a quick question. So Leah, um

3942
03:08:19,840 --> 03:08:22,000
I go back to your elig eligibility

3943
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:24,000
criteria slide on the period of

3944
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:26,960
affordability. I know that for the 99

3945
03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:30,080
it's you you can use that combination

3946
03:08:30,080 --> 03:08:32,240
under the 50-year

3947
03:08:32,240 --> 03:08:35,200
uh there's the idea of the IRBs and the

3948
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:39,520
NRA. Um, is it the would it be your

3949
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:43,040
thought that

3950
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:44,720
you know the IRBs are the abatement

3951
03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:46,399
piece and the NRA as it relates to

3952
03:08:46,399 --> 03:08:48,800
housing is kind of the rebate aspect of

3953
03:08:48,800 --> 03:08:50,720
it and not necessarily using abatement

3954
03:08:50,720 --> 03:08:54,240
under the NRA.

3955
03:08:54,250 --> 03:08:55,359
[snorts]

3956
03:08:55,359 --> 03:08:57,269
>> I'm not sure I understand your question.

3957
03:08:57,269 --> 03:08:57,279
» I'm not sure I understand your question.

3958
03:08:57,279 --> 03:08:59,760
I apologize. Commissioner just cuz I

3959
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:01,760
know that sometimes when we when we get

3960
03:09:01,760 --> 03:09:04,000
some of these projects the idea that we

3961
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:06,240
have the abatement piece and we have the

3962
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:07,840
the rebate piece and I know sometimes

3963
03:09:07,840 --> 03:09:09,439
the question comes in when we deal with

3964
03:09:09,439 --> 03:09:11,200
the abatement piece that has the impact

3965
03:09:11,200 --> 03:09:16,560
of the county and the school board. So,

3966
03:09:16,560 --> 03:09:19,590
>> is it the idea that by utilizing a IRB

3967
03:09:19,590 --> 03:09:19,600
» is it the idea that by utilizing a IRB

3968
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:21,680
for

3969
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:23,600
50-year affordable housing projects? Is

3970
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:26,800
this maybe to maybe direct it more

3971
03:09:26,800 --> 03:09:28,880
towards an IRB? facility abatements on

3972
03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:30,800
more of the sales tax of supplies and

3973
03:09:30,800 --> 03:09:32,800
not necessarily the abatement of

3974
03:09:32,800 --> 03:09:35,680
property tax or what were your I mean

3975
03:09:35,680 --> 03:09:37,600
I'm I'm I'm going deeper into this maybe

3976
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:39,200
than

3977
03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:41,760
the policy question posed but that's

3978
03:09:41,760 --> 03:09:44,880
kind of where my brain is going on this

3979
03:09:44,880 --> 03:09:48,790
>> um well like for LITC applications it

3980
03:09:48,790 --> 03:09:48,800
» um well like for LITC applications it

3981
03:09:48,800 --> 03:09:51,600
explicitly named sales tax exemption so

3982
03:09:51,600 --> 03:09:54,240
I would assume that most LITC projects

3983
03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:56,720
would favor the IRB but really the

3984
03:09:56,720 --> 03:10:00,240
intent is that for significant tax

3985
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:02,160
incentives for a project that we're

3986
03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:04,240
receiving a significant community

3987
03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:06,560
benefit, which is why there's that

3988
03:10:06,560 --> 03:10:09,200
language of, you know, one type of tax

3989
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:12,960
incentive, most likely an IRB um for 50

3990
03:10:12,960 --> 03:10:16,000
years or fewer years of affordability

3991
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:18,640
and then any combination of incentives

3992
03:10:18,640 --> 03:10:21,920
for the permanent affordable housing

3993
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:22,479
projects,

3994
03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:23,590
>> right? So, it's just it's about the

3995
03:10:23,590 --> 03:10:23,600
» right? So, it's just it's about the

3996
03:10:23,600 --> 03:10:25,680
braiding and blending of the different

3997
03:10:25,680 --> 03:10:27,200
opportunities to use these things.

3998
03:10:27,200 --> 03:10:27,590
>> Correct.

3999
03:10:27,590 --> 03:10:27,600
» Correct.

4000
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:27,990
>> Okay.

4001
03:10:27,990 --> 03:10:28,000
» Okay.

4002
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:28,950
>> Yes,

4003
03:10:28,950 --> 03:10:28,960
» Yes,

4004
03:10:28,960 --> 03:10:30,389
>> you got me there.

4005
03:10:30,389 --> 03:10:30,399
» you got me there.

4006
03:10:30,399 --> 03:10:32,389
>> I did think of one more question and and

4007
03:10:32,389 --> 03:10:32,399
» I did think of one more question and and

4008
03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:34,160
you raised this and I think maybe you

4009
03:10:34,160 --> 03:10:36,000
should talk about more for

4010
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:37,600
consideration. You talk about resolution

4011
03:10:37,600 --> 03:10:39,520
7231

4012
03:10:39,520 --> 03:10:43,359
and maybe explain that and what the what

4013
03:10:43,359 --> 03:10:48,710
you're looking for direction from us on.

4014
03:10:48,720 --> 03:10:51,680
Well, I suppose um direction on whether

4015
03:10:51,680 --> 03:10:53,600
the commission is interested in

4016
03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:55,120
exploring

4017
03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:59,439
um that resolution um including

4018
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:01,359
potentially revising it or at least

4019
03:11:01,359 --> 03:11:03,439
exploring the implications of revising

4020
03:11:03,439 --> 03:11:06,479
it, perhaps having more um analysis

4021
03:11:06,479 --> 03:11:07,840
done. Um

4022
03:11:07,840 --> 03:11:10,150
>> let's I'm not sure everyone knows what

4023
03:11:10,150 --> 03:11:10,160
» let's I'm not sure everyone knows what

4024
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:12,720
7231 is. The new folks

4025
03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:15,349
>> I'm googling it now. [laughter]

4026
03:11:15,349 --> 03:11:15,359
» I'm googling it now. [laughter]

4027
03:11:15,359 --> 03:11:17,040
you might you might give an overview of

4028
03:11:17,040 --> 03:11:19,760
what 7231 is and then

4029
03:11:19,760 --> 03:11:22,710
>> Yeah. So it um pertains to water and

4030
03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:22,720
» Yeah. So it um pertains to water and

4031
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:26,640
sewage revenue bonds um and states that

4032
03:11:26,640 --> 03:11:29,920
no services or facilities uh provided by

4033
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:32,319
the system will quote be furnished to

4034
03:11:32,319 --> 03:11:34,720
any user without a reasonable charge

4035
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:37,120
being made therefore. So that language

4036
03:11:37,120 --> 03:11:40,319
has been interpreted um to preclude any

4037
03:11:40,319 --> 03:11:42,560
system development charge fee waivers

4038
03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:45,680
which are the largest of fee waivers um

4039
03:11:45,680 --> 03:11:49,279
incurred by projects.

4040
03:11:49,279 --> 03:11:50,710
>> And [clears throat]

4041
03:11:50,710 --> 03:11:50,720
» And [clears throat]

4042
03:11:50,720 --> 03:11:53,359
if we if we did even change that

4043
03:11:53,359 --> 03:11:56,399
tomorrow um that wouldn't change some of

4044
03:11:56,399 --> 03:11:58,640
the bonds we already have in place,

4045
03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:00,800
would it? Or could we retroactively

4046
03:12:00,800 --> 03:12:02,960
change that?

4047
03:12:02,960 --> 03:12:06,160
Well, I think that that's um would need

4048
03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:08,080
to be explored more.

4049
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:10,389
>> Yeah.

4050
03:12:10,389 --> 03:12:10,399
» Yeah.

4051
03:12:10,399 --> 03:12:12,710
>> Okay. Anyway, that's the issue we talked

4052
03:12:12,710 --> 03:12:12,720
» Okay. Anyway, that's the issue we talked

4053
03:12:12,720 --> 03:12:13,920
a little bit about the other day about

4054
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:16,080
not being able to just wave the fees and

4055
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:18,560
instead having to award them money to

4056
03:12:18,560 --> 03:12:21,920
pay us for the fees because our bond our

4057
03:12:21,920 --> 03:12:23,840
resolution and thus our bond documents

4058
03:12:23,840 --> 03:12:27,200
say we can't wave fees. And if if we

4059
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:28,240
want to change that

4060
03:12:28,240 --> 03:12:30,790
>> and that was under a revenue

4061
03:12:30,790 --> 03:12:30,800
» and that was under a revenue

4062
03:12:30,800 --> 03:12:32,790
>> or did it matter? Do you remember?

4063
03:12:32,790 --> 03:12:32,800
» or did it matter? Do you remember?

4064
03:12:32,800 --> 03:12:34,870
>> Yeah. Our revenue bonds is why

4065
03:12:34,870 --> 03:12:34,880
» Yeah. Our revenue bonds is why

4066
03:12:34,880 --> 03:12:36,389
>> they were only issuing revenue on this.

4067
03:12:36,389 --> 03:12:36,399
» they were only issuing revenue on this.

4068
03:12:36,399 --> 03:12:37,840
I don't know.

4069
03:12:37,840 --> 03:12:39,830
>> I don't know. I don't know bond laws as

4070
03:12:39,830 --> 03:12:39,840
» I don't know. I don't know bond laws as

4071
03:12:39,840 --> 03:12:41,359
it pertains to this actually. Yeah.

4072
03:12:41,359 --> 03:12:42,950
>> Well, it wasn't applicable to it, but it

4073
03:12:42,950 --> 03:12:42,960
» Well, it wasn't applicable to it, but it

4074
03:12:42,960 --> 03:12:44,560
was used as guidance in order to give us

4075
03:12:44,560 --> 03:12:45,359
that direction.

4076
03:12:45,359 --> 03:12:47,990
>> Okay. Well, other questions? We'll we'll

4077
03:12:47,990 --> 03:12:48,000
» Okay. Well, other questions? We'll we'll

4078
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:49,520
open it up for public comment. Then

4079
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:51,359
we'll bring it back and make comments

4080
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:55,040
and then um again we're going to send

4081
03:12:55,040 --> 03:12:56,800
Leah and others back to work on this and

4082
03:12:56,800 --> 03:12:58,240
bring back. So we're not voting on this

4083
03:12:58,240 --> 03:12:59,120
tonight. Yeah.

4084
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:01,190
>> So we're giving feedback but just want

4085
03:13:01,190 --> 03:13:01,200
» So we're giving feedback but just want

4086
03:13:01,200 --> 03:13:02,399
to make sure everyone's on the same page

4087
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:03,760
but go ahead vice mayor.

4088
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:06,389
>> Yeah. Uh uh two two two things uh Leah.

4089
03:13:06,389 --> 03:13:06,399
» Yeah. Uh uh two two two things uh Leah.

4090
03:13:06,399 --> 03:13:08,160
So the first one you mentioned in there

4091
03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:10,319
about below interest loans. Could you

4092
03:13:10,319 --> 03:13:15,439
explain how that would function to this?

4093
03:13:15,439 --> 03:13:18,640
So that so the um proposed affordable

4094
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:21,840
housing trust fund loans for projects

4095
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:24,560
with fewer than 99 years of

4096
03:13:24,560 --> 03:13:26,319
affordability

4097
03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:29,680
um would qualify for points under the

4098
03:13:29,680 --> 03:13:32,319
LITC application as a lowterest loan or

4099
03:13:32,319 --> 03:13:35,120
below market interest uh loan which is

4100
03:13:35,120 --> 03:13:36,399
why I mentioned that language

4101
03:13:36,399 --> 03:13:38,080
specifically

4102
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:40,239
and I think that I believe I'll have to

4103
03:13:40,239 --> 03:13:42,000
fact check but I believe that's defined

4104
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:45,349
as 1% or less.

4105
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:48,800
So it would generate a minimal amount of

4106
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:51,600
additional leverage or revenue to uh

4107
03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:53,520
continue to support projects for through

4108
03:13:53,520 --> 03:13:57,510
the trust fund.

4109
03:13:57,520 --> 03:13:58,960
» And then the the other question I have

4110
03:13:58,960 --> 03:14:00,479
and

4111
03:14:00,479 --> 03:14:02,560
this is this is not a gotcha question. I

4112
03:14:02,560 --> 03:14:04,880
I swear I I I am generally curious what

4113
03:14:04,880 --> 03:14:06,880
you think about this in in terms of the

4114
03:14:06,880 --> 03:14:08,319
presentation you gave. You talked about

4115
03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:12,560
SWN56 and 7. And so on the Lawrence

4116
03:14:12,560 --> 03:14:14,880
website where it has the KPIs it looks

4117
03:14:14,880 --> 03:14:17,600
like seven we are on track with that it

4118
03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:20,160
has it was the middle of 2024 we were

4119
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:22,720
able to get uh 20.9 uh affordable

4120
03:14:22,720 --> 03:14:26,319
housing units but for 5 6 and 7 we've

4121
03:14:26,319 --> 03:14:28,960
basically been off track for over 5

4122
03:14:28,960 --> 03:14:32,080
years. And so my my just my question is

4123
03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:34,720
how do you see this going forward kind

4124
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:37,040
of rectifying either getting us closer

4125
03:14:37,040 --> 03:14:38,800
with percentage of households that are

4126
03:14:38,800 --> 03:14:40,479
experiencing housing stress getting us

4127
03:14:40,479 --> 03:14:43,120
below what looks like about 17 18% for

4128
03:14:43,120 --> 03:14:46,319
the past 5 years into something that is

4129
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:49,439
again below 15 and on track.

4130
03:14:49,439 --> 03:14:51,279
Yeah. So how do you see this achieving

4131
03:14:51,279 --> 03:14:54,710
those goals?

4132
03:14:54,720 --> 03:14:58,960
» Um well in in a few ways. So part of the

4133
03:14:58,960 --> 03:15:02,319
intent of targeting particular housing

4134
03:15:02,319 --> 03:15:05,760
types is to help us to progress in those

4135
03:15:05,760 --> 03:15:10,225
goals. Um Shannon mentioned um

4136
03:15:10,225 --> 03:15:13,680
[laughter] you know how um sorry Shannon

4137
03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:14,960
mentioned tennis to homeowners was

4138
03:15:14,960 --> 03:15:16,560
there. Tennis to homeowners has

4139
03:15:16,560 --> 03:15:18,880
primarily developed our affordable

4140
03:15:18,880 --> 03:15:23,120
housing um home ownership units.

4141
03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:27,600
um that requires deeper subsidy. Um

4142
03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:31,600
those you know one to seven unit home

4143
03:15:31,600 --> 03:15:34,239
ownership units generally will not

4144
03:15:34,239 --> 03:15:40,160
qualify for LITC. Um and um it just it

4145
03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:42,160
requires a community commitment to make

4146
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:44,800
that happen. We have not seen

4147
03:15:44,800 --> 03:15:47,760
applications for new affordable home

4148
03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:50,479
ownership units through the trust funds

4149
03:15:50,479 --> 03:15:53,200
in several years. It's just very very

4150
03:15:53,200 --> 03:15:56,399
difficult uh to to pencil out right now.

4151
03:15:56,399 --> 03:15:58,800
It's nearly impossible. And so part of

4152
03:15:58,800 --> 03:16:00,399
this policy is saying, "Hey, our

4153
03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:02,479
community wants to make a commitment to

4154
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:05,120
home ownership." Another example is a

4155
03:16:05,120 --> 03:16:08,239
commitment to homeowner or to affordable

4156
03:16:08,239 --> 03:16:11,840
units for populations at 30% AMI or

4157
03:16:11,840 --> 03:16:14,479
below, which feeds into decreasing the

4158
03:16:14,479 --> 03:16:17,200
point in time count of homelessness.

4159
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:19,920
um the the projects, you know, serving

4160
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:23,600
40 to 80% AMI are needed and valuable

4161
03:16:23,600 --> 03:16:25,920
for our community, but those aren't

4162
03:16:25,920 --> 03:16:28,239
generally the housing units that people

4163
03:16:28,239 --> 03:16:30,479
are transitioning into out of um

4164
03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:33,600
houselessness. We need deeply affordable

4165
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:37,439
units to meet that commitment.

4166
03:16:37,439 --> 03:16:39,920
Um

4167
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:43,359
I I also want to say that we although S

4168
03:16:43,359 --> 03:16:44,960
SWN7

4169
03:16:44,960 --> 03:16:50,239
uh we have been on track for that. Um we

4170
03:16:50,239 --> 03:16:52,319
I I hesitate to even say this, we might

4171
03:16:52,319 --> 03:16:55,040
need to look at that um indicator

4172
03:16:55,040 --> 03:16:57,840
because now the affordable housing sales

4173
03:16:57,840 --> 03:17:00,640
tax is also being used to provide

4174
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:03,600
revenue to um emergency homeless

4175
03:17:03,600 --> 03:17:06,880
services. And so that leverage is going

4176
03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:11,600
to change. Um as as mentioned, deeply

4177
03:17:11,600 --> 03:17:14,239
affordable housing, transitional

4178
03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:17,279
housing, um supportive housing requires

4179
03:17:17,279 --> 03:17:20,239
much deeper subsidy.

4180
03:17:20,239 --> 03:17:22,000
I hope I've answered that question.

4181
03:17:22,000 --> 03:17:23,670
>> Oh, thank you. I I appreciate that. I

4182
03:17:23,670 --> 03:17:23,680
» Oh, thank you. I I appreciate that. I

4183
03:17:23,680 --> 03:17:29,349
took some good notes on that. Thank you.

4184
03:17:29,359 --> 03:17:31,120
Okay, we might have some more questions

4185
03:17:31,120 --> 03:17:32,720
for you, Leah, after public comment, but

4186
03:17:32,720 --> 03:17:35,680
we'll open it up to public comment. Um,

4187
03:17:35,680 --> 03:17:37,279
anyone like to speak on this item. We

4188
03:17:37,279 --> 03:17:43,110
have three minutes.

4189
03:17:43,120 --> 03:17:45,520
John M66049,

4190
03:17:45,520 --> 03:17:48,080
you may have stolen my thunder, but I am

4191
03:17:48,080 --> 03:17:49,600
going [laughter] to plow ahead with what

4192
03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:51,600
I've written down with access to safe

4193
03:17:51,600 --> 03:17:54,080
and affordable housing and essential

4194
03:17:54,080 --> 03:17:56,880
services that help them thrive. Okay,

4195
03:17:56,880 --> 03:17:59,359
that's an important metric that should

4196
03:17:59,359 --> 03:18:02,239
apply to the whole entire policy,

4197
03:18:02,239 --> 03:18:03,840
especially one that's so large,

4198
03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:06,319
impactful, and expensive.

4199
03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:08,479
As reported by the city, and I'm not

4200
03:18:08,479 --> 03:18:10,560
giving my opinion here. I'm reporting

4201
03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:12,800
for what the city says. Most progress

4202
03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:15,520
indicators are off track of the stated

4203
03:18:15,520 --> 03:18:19,040
goals. The goals are defined and

4204
03:18:19,040 --> 03:18:21,040
measured. I'm not going to comment on

4205
03:18:21,040 --> 03:18:22,479
how they're measured or even if those

4206
03:18:22,479 --> 03:18:24,160
are good goals, but they are published

4207
03:18:24,160 --> 03:18:27,920
as part of the overall uh policy.

4208
03:18:27,920 --> 03:18:30,399
For example, number one, residents who

4209
03:18:30,399 --> 03:18:32,560
perceive the city as a good or very good

4210
03:18:32,560 --> 03:18:35,120
place to live, it's off track from its

4211
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:38,399
goals. Households, the owners or renters

4212
03:18:38,399 --> 03:18:40,479
that are experiencing housing stress,

4213
03:18:40,479 --> 03:18:43,920
it's off track from its goals. Count of

4214
03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:46,080
people experiencing homelessness. So, we

4215
03:18:46,080 --> 03:18:48,560
have a target for reducing that. It's

4216
03:18:48,560 --> 03:18:51,600
off track from its goals. City

4217
03:18:51,600 --> 03:18:53,920
infrastructure cost per new residential

4218
03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:56,239
unit for multifamilies. It's off track

4219
03:18:56,239 --> 03:18:59,439
for its goals. City infra infrastructure

4220
03:18:59,439 --> 03:19:02,239
cost per new residential unit single

4221
03:19:02,239 --> 03:19:06,000
family. It's off track for its goals.

4222
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:08,160
Connectivity of healthy food providers

4223
03:19:08,160 --> 03:19:10,880
by transit, bike routes, or sidewalks.

4224
03:19:10,880 --> 03:19:12,960
It's off track.

4225
03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:14,880
Residential units within a half mile of

4226
03:19:14,880 --> 03:19:18,399
city green space not achieved at all.

4227
03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:20,399
Residential units within a half mile of

4228
03:19:20,399 --> 03:19:23,680
a school or library off track.

4229
03:19:23,680 --> 03:19:25,760
This is an interesting interesting one.

4230
03:19:25,760 --> 03:19:28,000
Leverage the affordable housing sales

4231
03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:30,399
tax dollars to maintain and create more

4232
03:19:30,399 --> 03:19:32,239
affordable housing. Well, that's on

4233
03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:34,399
track, which means to me we're great at

4234
03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:36,399
spending money, great at putting up

4235
03:19:36,399 --> 03:19:38,720
units, but whether we're achieving the

4236
03:19:38,720 --> 03:19:40,640
goals of why we're bothering to put up

4237
03:19:40,640 --> 03:19:43,279
units or to offer units doesn't seem

4238
03:19:43,279 --> 03:19:45,279
like we're successful.

4239
03:19:45,279 --> 03:19:47,359
So, the in bottom line, affordable

4240
03:19:47,359 --> 03:19:49,120
housing incentive policy ought to have

4241
03:19:49,120 --> 03:19:52,399
sensible objective outcomes. Maybe these

4242
03:19:52,399 --> 03:19:53,760
aren't the right ones. They've been

4243
03:19:53,760 --> 03:19:55,120
around for a while, and I'm not sure

4244
03:19:55,120 --> 03:19:58,080
they're even updated. However, a serious

4245
03:19:58,080 --> 03:19:59,600
review is needed to ensure that

4246
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:02,399
objectives are measurable and tied to

4247
03:20:02,399 --> 03:20:06,319
relevant successive successful metrics.

4248
03:20:06,319 --> 03:20:07,439
Thank you.

4249
03:20:07,439 --> 03:20:09,553
>> Thank you,

4250
03:20:09,553 --> 03:20:09,563
» Thank you,

4251
03:20:09,563 --> 03:20:13,670
[clears throat]

4252
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:16,560
» Christina McKenna 66046.

4253
03:20:16,560 --> 03:20:18,239
Um, the collaboration for collaborative

4254
03:20:18,239 --> 03:20:19,920
governance thanks the city of Lawrence

4255
03:20:19,920 --> 03:20:21,920
for proposing the affordable housing

4256
03:20:21,920 --> 03:20:24,399
initiatives policy. We appreciate its

4257
03:20:24,399 --> 03:20:26,800
wide variety of incentive options, clear

4258
03:20:26,800 --> 03:20:28,080
application and accountability

4259
03:20:28,080 --> 03:20:30,160
processes, and very long-term

4260
03:20:30,160 --> 03:20:32,479
affordability. This proposal reflects

4261
03:20:32,479 --> 03:20:34,080
our community's compassionate commitment

4262
03:20:34,080 --> 03:20:36,000
to increasing sustainable, transparent,

4263
03:20:36,000 --> 03:20:37,680
and consistently affordable housing

4264
03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:40,080
opportunities for its residents. We also

4265
03:20:40,080 --> 03:20:41,359
appreciated the city's community

4266
03:20:41,359 --> 03:20:43,200
engagement about this policy that Leo

4267
03:20:43,200 --> 03:20:44,960
Rosland facilitated and in which our

4268
03:20:44,960 --> 03:20:47,920
coalition participated. We hope the co

4269
03:20:47,920 --> 03:20:49,840
the commission will support this policy

4270
03:20:49,840 --> 03:20:51,520
and its continued development. And we

4271
03:20:51,520 --> 03:20:53,520
believe it can be a great model for what

4272
03:20:53,520 --> 03:20:54,720
can be achieved when the city of

4273
03:20:54,720 --> 03:20:56,720
Lawrence, the many devoted affordable

4274
03:20:56,720 --> 03:20:58,160
housing advocates and community

4275
03:20:58,160 --> 03:21:00,080
organizations and engaged residents

4276
03:21:00,080 --> 03:21:02,399
collaborate towards a shared goal. We

4277
03:21:02,399 --> 03:21:03,840
have several suggestions and questions

4278
03:21:03,840 --> 03:21:05,120
about this policy we hope you'll

4279
03:21:05,120 --> 03:21:06,880
consider, including figuring out ways

4280
03:21:06,880 --> 03:21:08,319
for it to support affordable home

4281
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:10,319
ownership options as well as affordable

4282
03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:12,960
rental options even for those in the

4283
03:21:12,960 --> 03:21:15,439
middle class. The proposed policy

4284
03:21:15,439 --> 03:21:16,960
currently requires the development of

4285
03:21:16,960 --> 03:21:18,560
multiple units to be eligible for these

4286
03:21:18,560 --> 03:21:20,720
incentives incentives and developments

4287
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:22,479
that have received them are generally

4288
03:21:22,479 --> 03:21:24,560
multi-unit apartment complexes that

4289
03:21:24,560 --> 03:21:26,880
residents rent. Our coalition suggests

4290
03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:28,640
this policy increases options for

4291
03:21:28,640 --> 03:21:30,479
applying these incentives to more home

4292
03:21:30,479 --> 03:21:32,560
ownership options. It could include

4293
03:21:32,560 --> 03:21:34,239
expanding the eligibility requirements

4294
03:21:34,239 --> 03:21:36,560
to apply to smaller scale developments,

4295
03:21:36,560 --> 03:21:38,239
including single properties for homes

4296
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:39,920
individuals can buy, own, and build

4297
03:21:39,920 --> 03:21:42,239
equity themselves. It could increase

4298
03:21:42,239 --> 03:21:43,840
affordable home ownership in Lawrence

4299
03:21:43,840 --> 03:21:44,800
and could also support the

4300
03:21:44,800 --> 03:21:46,640
rehabilitation and adapted use of

4301
03:21:46,640 --> 03:21:49,120
existing structures. Additionally, in

4302
03:21:49,120 --> 03:21:50,560
the past, affordable housing has

4303
03:21:50,560 --> 03:21:52,239
primarily been provided by existing

4304
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:53,680
housing stock rather than new

4305
03:21:53,680 --> 03:21:55,680
construction. We believe it might be

4306
03:21:55,680 --> 03:21:57,760
valable valuable for the city to discuss

4307
03:21:57,760 --> 03:21:59,439
options that could support creating more

4308
03:21:59,439 --> 03:22:01,520
affordability for existing individual

4309
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:03,520
housing units. This could increase the

4310
03:22:03,520 --> 03:22:05,359
affordable housing supply faster than

4311
03:22:05,359 --> 03:22:07,279
building new units can do. We're

4312
03:22:07,279 --> 03:22:08,640
grateful the city staff has already

4313
03:22:08,640 --> 03:22:10,239
started to integrate community feedback

4314
03:22:10,239 --> 03:22:12,000
into this proposal and hope to continue

4315
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:14,080
the city will continue to do so. And

4316
03:22:14,080 --> 03:22:16,000
it's not just affordable housing, but

4317
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:17,920
also the sustainable housing. So

4318
03:22:17,920 --> 03:22:20,319
sometimes maybe more accurately called

4319
03:22:20,319 --> 03:22:23,200
attainable housing for everyone. Thank

4320
03:22:23,200 --> 03:22:23,760
you.

4321
03:22:23,760 --> 03:22:29,670
>> Thank you.

4322
03:22:29,680 --> 03:22:33,200
» Hello Melinda Ball 046. I'm presenting

4323
03:22:33,200 --> 03:22:35,760
some additional suggestions and

4324
03:22:35,760 --> 03:22:37,600
questions from the Coalition for

4325
03:22:37,600 --> 03:22:39,439
Collaborative Governance. The proposed

4326
03:22:39,439 --> 03:22:41,200
policy includes language that

4327
03:22:41,200 --> 03:22:43,040
prioritizes the preservation,

4328
03:22:43,040 --> 03:22:45,439
rehabilitation, and adaptive reuse of

4329
03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:47,760
existing buildings, which our coalition

4330
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:50,160
appreciates. Our neighborhood advocates

4331
03:22:50,160 --> 03:22:52,319
also request that the policy eliminate

4332
03:22:52,319 --> 03:22:54,560
incentives for demolitions of existing

4333
03:22:54,560 --> 03:22:57,040
buildings by disallowing incentives for

4334
03:22:57,040 --> 03:23:00,080
lots that are vacant because of demos.

4335
03:23:00,080 --> 03:23:02,399
We request that the pol policy

4336
03:23:02,399 --> 03:23:04,720
strengthen its flood plane and wetland

4337
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:07,359
protections by requiring sites be

4338
03:23:07,359 --> 03:23:10,479
ineligible if it if it is within a

4339
03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:13,040
federally designated flood plane and by

4340
03:23:13,040 --> 03:23:15,200
adhering to the broader definition of

4341
03:23:15,200 --> 03:23:18,239
wetland prior to the recent sacket va

4342
03:23:18,239 --> 03:23:21,359
ruling. We like the commission to

4343
03:23:21,359 --> 03:23:24,160
consider whether this policy would could

4344
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:26,399
incentivize the use of local businesses

4345
03:23:26,399 --> 03:23:29,040
including contractors, lumber shops,

4346
03:23:29,040 --> 03:23:31,840
landscapers, window suppliers, and other

4347
03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:34,479
building trades. We also like to request

4348
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:36,160
that the city gather and integrate

4349
03:23:36,160 --> 03:23:38,960
feedback from the Lawrence School Board

4350
03:23:38,960 --> 03:23:42,560
about this proposed policy as they also

4351
03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:44,239
need to approve some of the proposed

4352
03:23:44,239 --> 03:23:46,319
incentives. This topic was addressed at

4353
03:23:46,319 --> 03:23:48,160
the candidate forum [snorts] our

4354
03:23:48,160 --> 03:23:50,160
coalition hosted in October and school

4355
03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:52,319
board members expressed a desire to be

4356
03:23:52,319 --> 03:23:54,160
involved in this type of policy

4357
03:23:54,160 --> 03:23:56,319
development. We also have a few

4358
03:23:56,319 --> 03:23:58,239
financial questions about this policy.

4359
03:23:58,239 --> 03:24:00,479
Has the city studied the fiscal impact

4360
03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:02,640
of the property tax rebates and sales

4361
03:24:02,640 --> 03:24:05,120
tax exemptions on the city's budget and

4362
03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:07,120
on the city's ability to provide city

4363
03:24:07,120 --> 03:24:09,120
services for the additional housing

4364
03:24:09,120 --> 03:24:11,760
generated by this policy? that is what

4365
03:24:11,760 --> 03:24:14,000
are the costs of services for these

4366
03:24:14,000 --> 03:24:15,760
developments and how does that compare

4367
03:24:15,760 --> 03:24:18,239
to the tax revenue the city will not be

4368
03:24:18,239 --> 03:24:21,279
receiving. Miss Rosland told us that

4369
03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:24,080
this will be studied in on a case-byase

4370
03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:26,880
basis. Due this due to the scale of this

4371
03:24:26,880 --> 03:24:28,640
new policy, we suggest that the city

4372
03:24:28,640 --> 03:24:31,279
consider a more comprehensive assessment

4373
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:34,160
of the financial effects of this policy.

4374
03:24:34,160 --> 03:24:36,319
Relatedly, we are curious if the city

4375
03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:38,399
compared their financial situation to

4376
03:24:38,399 --> 03:24:40,800
communities they modeled their policy

4377
03:24:40,800 --> 03:24:43,439
proposed on to ensure that these

4378
03:24:43,439 --> 03:24:46,160
incentives align with our community's

4379
03:24:46,160 --> 03:24:49,040
specific financial needs. Finally, we'd

4380
03:24:49,040 --> 03:24:50,560
like to suggest some additional benefits

4381
03:24:50,560 --> 03:24:52,640
that could be added to the policy at no

4382
03:24:52,640 --> 03:24:55,520
cost to the city. These include density

4383
03:24:55,520 --> 03:24:57,600
bonuses that allow denser development

4384
03:24:57,600 --> 03:24:59,439
than the current zoning allows,

4385
03:24:59,439 --> 03:25:01,920
expedited permitting, and land use

4386
03:25:01,920 --> 03:25:04,560
concessions where when appropriate for

4387
03:25:04,560 --> 03:25:06,479
the neighborhood. Thank you.

4388
03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:11,510
>> Thank you.

4389
03:25:11,520 --> 03:25:13,600
» I have the comments in the room.

4390
03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:21,030
Christina,

4391
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:24,960
» good evening commission. um and 66049

4392
03:25:24,960 --> 03:25:28,319
Christina Gentry. Um pe speaking as a

4393
03:25:28,319 --> 03:25:32,720
resident and a public servant. Um I urge

4394
03:25:32,720 --> 03:25:34,960
um that the Lawrence City Commission and

4395
03:25:34,960 --> 03:25:36,560
community to support an affordable

4396
03:25:36,560 --> 03:25:39,040
housing incentive policy that ensures

4397
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:42,000
housing in perpetuity.

4398
03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:44,000
Um this is not merely an abstract

4399
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:46,319
policy. It is a vital investment in our

4400
03:25:46,319 --> 03:25:48,800
community's core stability and future.

4401
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:51,040
By keeping homes permanently affordable,

4402
03:25:51,040 --> 03:25:52,560
we prevent the displacement of our

4403
03:25:52,560 --> 03:25:55,760
neighbors and pro and provide families,

4404
03:25:55,760 --> 03:25:58,000
particularly vulnerable populations like

4405
03:25:58,000 --> 03:25:59,760
the many single family women head of

4406
03:25:59,760 --> 03:26:03,120
household in our county, in our city,

4407
03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:05,040
the stable foundation that they need to

4408
03:26:05,040 --> 03:26:07,920
survive and to thrive. In Lawrence,

4409
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:10,239
female households with no spouse or

4410
03:26:10,239 --> 03:26:13,120
partner present make up 8.7% of all

4411
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:16,160
households, with 5.8% having their own

4412
03:26:16,160 --> 03:26:18,720
children under the age of 18.

4413
03:26:18,720 --> 03:26:20,720
This represents a significant portion of

4414
03:26:20,720 --> 03:26:22,479
the population that could benefit from

4415
03:26:22,479 --> 03:26:24,960
housing stability measures. A

4416
03:26:24,960 --> 03:26:27,200
preliminary report on unhoused people in

4417
03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:30,000
Douglas County indicated that nearly 51%

4418
03:26:30,000 --> 03:26:32,399
of those experiencing homelessness

4419
03:26:32,399 --> 03:26:35,120
identified as female, a higher rate than

4420
03:26:35,120 --> 03:26:38,000
national or state trends. This disparity

4421
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:39,439
underscores the particular

4422
03:26:39,439 --> 03:26:41,600
vulnerabilities faced by women in

4423
03:26:41,600 --> 03:26:44,399
securing and maintaining stable housing.

4424
03:26:44,399 --> 03:26:47,600
Speaking to cost burden and income, many

4425
03:26:47,600 --> 03:26:49,520
households in the Kansas City region,

4426
03:26:49,520 --> 03:26:50,960
including Lawrence, experience

4427
03:26:50,960 --> 03:26:53,200
significant housing cost burdens with

4428
03:26:53,200 --> 03:26:55,040
the greatest shortage for residents at

4429
03:26:55,040 --> 03:26:58,640
the 30 and 50% median income levels. We

4430
03:26:58,640 --> 03:27:01,200
spoke on that today. Um, but research

4431
03:27:01,200 --> 03:27:03,120
consistently shows that housing

4432
03:27:03,120 --> 03:27:05,120
stability leads to better health

4433
03:27:05,120 --> 03:27:07,279
outcomes, improved educational

4434
03:27:07,279 --> 03:27:09,359
achievements for children, and a more

4435
03:27:09,359 --> 03:27:12,160
robust local economy. For individuals

4436
03:27:12,160 --> 03:27:14,560
who are currently costbururdened,

4437
03:27:14,560 --> 03:27:17,200
perpetual affordability frees up

4438
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:19,120
resources for essentials like health

4439
03:27:19,120 --> 03:27:22,720
care and education. The data which shows

4440
03:27:22,720 --> 03:27:25,120
a disproport disproportionate number of

4441
03:27:25,120 --> 03:27:27,120
women experiencing homelessness in our

4442
03:27:27,120 --> 03:27:29,520
county makes it clear that targeted

4443
03:27:29,520 --> 03:27:32,319
support is necessary. Incentivizing

4444
03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:34,080
community needs through perpetual

4445
03:27:34,080 --> 03:27:36,479
affordability will help us build a more

4446
03:27:36,479 --> 03:27:39,200
resilient, equitable, and connected Lord

4447
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:49,030
for generations to come. Thank you.

4448
03:27:49,040 --> 03:27:51,760
» See no other comments in the room. Um,

4449
03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:54,720
how about online? Oh, David, will you

4450
03:27:54,720 --> 03:27:55,760
speak on this one?

4451
03:27:55,760 --> 03:27:58,870
>> Yeah, go ahead.

4452
03:27:58,870 --> 03:27:58,880
» Yeah, go ahead.

4453
03:27:58,880 --> 03:28:01,510
>> Hi, David Baston. Uh, tonight's agenda

4454
03:28:01,510 --> 03:28:01,520
» Hi, David Baston. Uh, tonight's agenda

4455
03:28:01,520 --> 03:28:04,560
item is the affordable housing incentive

4456
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:07,520
policy. a big step to add more

4457
03:28:07,520 --> 03:28:09,680
affordable units through tax breaks,

4458
03:28:09,680 --> 03:28:12,160
grants, loans, land donations, and and

4459
03:28:12,160 --> 03:28:15,120
fee waiverss. The goal is to increase

4460
03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:17,840
supply for low to moderate income

4461
03:28:17,840 --> 03:28:22,319
residents, reducing housing stress and

4462
03:28:22,319 --> 03:28:24,560
make Lawrence more affordable. But but

4463
03:28:24,560 --> 03:28:26,479
we already have a policy that does the

4464
03:28:26,479 --> 03:28:29,680
exact opposite of that. Ordinance number

4465
03:28:29,680 --> 03:28:31,439
10121

4466
03:28:31,439 --> 03:28:34,160
passed in April of 25

4467
03:28:34,160 --> 03:28:38,160
caps most homes at four adults, four to

4468
03:28:38,160 --> 03:28:42,399
five adults per per house. This rule was

4469
03:28:42,399 --> 03:28:44,560
passed to please a few complainers about

4470
03:28:44,560 --> 03:28:47,279
residents, not based on facts, but

4471
03:28:47,279 --> 03:28:50,239
public health or public health concerns.

4472
03:28:50,239 --> 03:28:52,080
A commissioner told me it's meant to

4473
03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:54,560
stop students from overcrowding homes.

4474
03:28:54,560 --> 03:28:56,960
There's no proof that it fixes anything.

4475
03:28:56,960 --> 03:28:58,239
Another [clears throat] called it a

4476
03:28:58,239 --> 03:29:00,560
terrible one-sizefits-all policy that

4477
03:29:00,560 --> 03:29:03,200
drives up rent and hits renters the

4478
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:06,080
hardest. Described

4479
03:29:06,080 --> 03:29:08,800
as just a compromise to pacify

4480
03:29:08,800 --> 03:29:12,160
complainers driven by politics, not

4481
03:29:12,160 --> 03:29:14,880
evidence. Sounds pretty ridiculous when

4482
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:17,439
you hear it out loud, doesn't it? Uh

4483
03:29:17,439 --> 03:29:19,040
we're telling grown adults how many

4484
03:29:19,040 --> 03:29:22,000
people can live together. Uh and this uh

4485
03:29:22,000 --> 03:29:24,000
you might want to look at this when you

4486
03:29:24,000 --> 03:29:26,000
uh look at the World Cup too because

4487
03:29:26,000 --> 03:29:28,319
only four adults can live or can be in

4488
03:29:28,319 --> 03:29:30,479
any one house. So that's something you

4489
03:29:30,479 --> 03:29:33,040
can look at there. Also uh it shrinks

4490
03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:35,600
our housing stock. A five bedroomedroom

4491
03:29:35,600 --> 03:29:39,520
house that could easily uh

4492
03:29:39,520 --> 03:29:42,399
support 7 to eight people. Now legally

4493
03:29:42,399 --> 03:29:45,520
sits half empty. that forces more people

4494
03:29:45,520 --> 03:29:48,960
to comple compete uh with fewer homes

4495
03:29:48,960 --> 03:29:53,120
driving rent costs up. Uh 2025 Lawrence

4496
03:29:53,120 --> 03:29:58,720
rents has jumped 7% on average. Uh and

4497
03:29:58,720 --> 03:30:02,319
that's higher than the national trend. U

4498
03:30:02,319 --> 03:30:04,960
these caps make it worse by blocking

4499
03:30:04,960 --> 03:30:10,479
shared living in our tight market. Um

4500
03:30:10,479 --> 03:30:12,479
let's see. If we're serious about

4501
03:30:12,479 --> 03:30:14,880
affordable housing incentive policy

4502
03:30:14,880 --> 03:30:19,920
tonight, we can keep a rule that uh

4503
03:30:19,920 --> 03:30:23,200
actively reduces the housing we already

4504
03:30:23,200 --> 03:30:26,479
have. Repeal this ordinance. Uh stop

4505
03:30:26,479 --> 03:30:30,319
bias rulings rules and complaints and

4506
03:30:30,319 --> 03:30:38,150
start basing them on facts. Thank you.

4507
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:39,920
» Seeing none in the room, how about

4508
03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:49,269
online? We do have a few.

4509
03:30:49,279 --> 03:30:57,750
» Daniel Brown.

4510
03:30:57,760 --> 03:30:58,319
» Oh,

4511
03:30:58,319 --> 03:30:58,790
>> go ahead.

4512
03:30:58,790 --> 03:30:58,800
» go ahead.

4513
03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:00,550
>> Hello.

4514
03:31:00,550 --> 03:31:00,560
» Hello.

4515
03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:04,229
>> Hi. Uh, Daniel Brown, 66044.

4516
03:31:04,229 --> 03:31:04,239
» Hi. Uh, Daniel Brown, 66044.

4517
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:06,960
Um, I work at Independence Incorporated.

4518
03:31:06,960 --> 03:31:08,640
Uh we are a resource center for folks

4519
03:31:08,640 --> 03:31:10,640
with disabilities here in Lawrence. Um

4520
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:12,399
I'm also the program manager of our

4521
03:31:12,399 --> 03:31:14,880
accessible housing program. Uh which is

4522
03:31:14,880 --> 03:31:16,399
a program that helps [snorts] folks with

4523
03:31:16,399 --> 03:31:17,760
disabilities here in Lawrence get

4524
03:31:17,760 --> 03:31:19,439
accessibility modifications for their

4525
03:31:19,439 --> 03:31:21,120
homes like wheelchair ramps, accessible

4526
03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:23,760
showers, grab bars, things like that. Um

4527
03:31:23,760 --> 03:31:25,520
through my work over the years, I've

4528
03:31:25,520 --> 03:31:27,760
seen firsthand um the struggles that

4529
03:31:27,760 --> 03:31:30,160
folks with disabilities have um here in

4530
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:31,920
Lawrence and finding affordable housing

4531
03:31:31,920 --> 03:31:34,319
that's accessible to them. Um and

4532
03:31:34,319 --> 03:31:36,399
there's many reasons for this. Um, one

4533
03:31:36,399 --> 03:31:38,000
of them is just the the housing stock

4534
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:40,080
here in Lawrence. Some of it is is older

4535
03:31:40,080 --> 03:31:43,439
and it was built prior to federal um

4536
03:31:43,439 --> 03:31:45,040
accessibility requirements being

4537
03:31:45,040 --> 03:31:48,080
implemented. Um, also there's some

4538
03:31:48,080 --> 03:31:50,000
housing that's exempt from those um

4539
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:51,680
accessibility requirements like single

4540
03:31:51,680 --> 03:31:54,000
family homes, duplexes, triplexes, uh,

4541
03:31:54,000 --> 03:31:57,920
multi-story town homes. Um there's also

4542
03:31:57,920 --> 03:32:00,399
um many units in larger housing

4543
03:32:00,399 --> 03:32:02,479
complexes, even newer complexes that

4544
03:32:02,479 --> 03:32:04,640
don't have elevators. Um where it's just

4545
03:32:04,640 --> 03:32:06,160
those grand floor units that are

4546
03:32:06,160 --> 03:32:07,359
required to meet those minimum

4547
03:32:07,359 --> 03:32:10,640
accessibility requirements. Um also many

4548
03:32:10,640 --> 03:32:13,760
larger complexes don't have or have few

4549
03:32:13,760 --> 03:32:16,560
if any um fully accessible units. So

4550
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:17,680
what this means for folks with

4551
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:19,040
disabilities, particularly physical

4552
03:32:19,040 --> 03:32:21,439
disabilities, folks who are seniors,

4553
03:32:21,439 --> 03:32:23,520
folks wanting to age in place, it's just

4554
03:32:23,520 --> 03:32:25,520
that there's significantly fewer options

4555
03:32:25,520 --> 03:32:28,720
for them um regarding housing,

4556
03:32:28,720 --> 03:32:31,760
particularly finding and maintaining um

4557
03:32:31,760 --> 03:32:33,279
accessible housing that's affordable to

4558
03:32:33,279 --> 03:32:36,640
them. So feel like this proposed housing

4559
03:32:36,640 --> 03:32:38,800
incentive policy helps to address some

4560
03:32:38,800 --> 03:32:41,200
of that by expanding accessibility

4561
03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:44,160
requirements. Um it also extends the

4562
03:32:44,160 --> 03:32:46,880
period of affordability um to ensure

4563
03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:49,600
affordable and accessible housing um is

4564
03:32:49,600 --> 03:32:51,840
available to current residents um and

4565
03:32:51,840 --> 03:32:54,560
also to future generations. So I would

4566
03:32:54,560 --> 03:32:57,200
urge the commission um to maintain these

4567
03:32:57,200 --> 03:32:59,520
proposed requirements in any housing

4568
03:32:59,520 --> 03:33:01,680
incentive policy that's ultimately um

4569
03:33:01,680 --> 03:33:03,600
approved by the commission. Um thank you

4570
03:33:03,600 --> 03:33:05,120
very much.

4571
03:33:05,120 --> 03:33:13,750
>> Thank you.

4572
03:33:13,760 --> 03:33:18,870
Marielle Ferrero.

4573
03:33:18,880 --> 03:33:21,200
» Good evening, commissioners. Um, this is

4574
03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:24,960
Maria Pereo. Um, Lawrence resident and

4575
03:33:24,960 --> 03:33:26,720
uh, honored to be a member of the

4576
03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:28,720
affordable housing advisory board and

4577
03:33:28,720 --> 03:33:30,560
the accessibility and affordable housing

4578
03:33:30,560 --> 03:33:32,080
work group that is a part of the place

4579
03:33:32,080 --> 03:33:34,960
for everyone plan. um here to just add

4580
03:33:34,960 --> 03:33:37,680
my voice of support to the affordable

4581
03:33:37,680 --> 03:33:41,200
housing incentive policy and to the

4582
03:33:41,200 --> 03:33:44,080
opportunity to continue um developing

4583
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:46,640
this policy. Um, as you all have

4584
03:33:46,640 --> 03:33:49,200
learned, there are a lot of uh changes

4585
03:33:49,200 --> 03:33:52,000
but good components to this and um,

4586
03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:53,680
incredibly underlined. So, I'll only

4587
03:33:53,680 --> 03:33:56,960
underscore what um, the the CEO of uh,

4588
03:33:56,960 --> 03:33:58,160
Lawrence Douglas County Housing

4589
03:33:58,160 --> 03:34:00,560
Authority, Shannon Ory, stated is that

4590
03:34:00,560 --> 03:34:03,760
this is an opportunity to utilize our

4591
03:34:03,760 --> 03:34:05,920
housing trust funds and have an

4592
03:34:05,920 --> 03:34:08,479
opportunity to continue to reinforce

4593
03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:11,120
that we do want LITC projects in this

4594
03:34:11,120 --> 03:34:13,760
community. As you know, our affordable

4595
03:34:13,760 --> 03:34:16,319
housing trust fund is not big and we

4596
03:34:16,319 --> 03:34:20,000
struggle every year to be able to decide

4597
03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:24,000
how those funds are um awarded. And

4598
03:34:24,000 --> 03:34:27,040
almost every year it is um way less than

4599
03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:29,279
what we receive in applications. This

4600
03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:31,600
gives us an opportunity to expand our

4601
03:34:31,600 --> 03:34:33,760
incentives and to focus that trust fund

4602
03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:36,000
or how it's named in this presentation

4603
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:39,840
as a grant to the projects that may not

4604
03:34:39,840 --> 03:34:42,399
qualify for LITC or projects that could

4605
03:34:42,399 --> 03:34:44,960
be not only deeply affordable which is

4606
03:34:44,960 --> 03:34:48,319
below that 30 at or below that 30% AMI

4607
03:34:48,319 --> 03:34:51,120
but would be affordable in perpetuity or

4608
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:54,880
have that 99-year requirement. uh we

4609
03:34:54,880 --> 03:34:58,239
have opportunity to put um projects that

4610
03:34:58,239 --> 03:35:00,080
are a path to home ownership which was

4611
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:02,800
echoed um in a previous commenters that

4612
03:35:02,800 --> 03:35:04,960
maybe we're not focusing on that. I

4613
03:35:04,960 --> 03:35:07,040
stated during our application process

4614
03:35:07,040 --> 03:35:09,439
this year that we did not have any home

4615
03:35:09,439 --> 03:35:11,040
ownership projects. This is an

4616
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:12,720
opportunity to start moving in that

4617
03:35:12,720 --> 03:35:15,920
direction. The things that we uh need to

4618
03:35:15,920 --> 03:35:18,880
maintain in this policy moving forward

4619
03:35:18,880 --> 03:35:21,439
is that affordability requirement. To

4620
03:35:21,439 --> 03:35:24,560
expand on that and to utilize our funds,

4621
03:35:24,560 --> 03:35:27,439
taxpayer dollars to make sure that our

4622
03:35:27,439 --> 03:35:30,479
housing is affordable in perpetuity is

4623
03:35:30,479 --> 03:35:32,479
incredibly important and something we

4624
03:35:32,479 --> 03:35:34,399
need to underscore. Knowing that LITC

4625
03:35:34,399 --> 03:35:36,479
projects will still be awarded, knowing

4626
03:35:36,479 --> 03:35:38,160
that LITC projects are still a

4627
03:35:38,160 --> 03:35:40,640
cornerstone of affordable housing, this

4628
03:35:40,640 --> 03:35:43,359
is the opportunity to do more. And this

4629
03:35:43,359 --> 03:35:45,600
is the opportunity to provide housing

4630
03:35:45,600 --> 03:35:48,880
that makes sense for our community. As a

4631
03:35:48,880 --> 03:35:51,600
charge for AHAB, we are looking at our

4632
03:35:51,600 --> 03:35:54,084
goals for the next several years and

4633
03:35:54,084 --> 03:35:55,920
[snorts] this is in alignment with the

4634
03:35:55,920 --> 03:35:58,000
projects and goals we want to see and we

4635
03:35:58,000 --> 03:36:00,000
will be revising that after we get the

4636
03:36:00,000 --> 03:36:02,479
affordable housing study. Um, so I'm

4637
03:36:02,479 --> 03:36:04,560
incredibly excited to see this. I hope

4638
03:36:04,560 --> 03:36:06,960
you all champion and encourage a

4639
03:36:06,960 --> 03:36:08,640
continued exploration on these

4640
03:36:08,640 --> 03:36:11,040
incentives and I hope that we can have

4641
03:36:11,040 --> 03:36:13,359
affordable, sustainable housing in

4642
03:36:13,359 --> 03:36:42,150
perpetuity in our community. Thank you.

4643
03:36:42,160 --> 03:36:47,990
There you go. [snorts]

4644
03:36:48,000 --> 03:36:50,479
» I'm sorry if I just moved you in. You

4645
03:36:50,479 --> 03:36:54,000
could go ahead and speak. I'm not sure.

4646
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:55,190
>> Okay. Can you hear me?

4647
03:36:55,190 --> 03:36:55,200
» Okay. Can you hear me?

4648
03:36:55,200 --> 03:36:55,429
>> Yes.

4649
03:36:55,429 --> 03:36:55,439
» Yes.

4650
03:36:55,439 --> 03:36:56,870
>> Yes. Bob, go ahead.

4651
03:36:56,870 --> 03:36:56,880
» Yes. Bob, go ahead.

4652
03:36:56,880 --> 03:36:57,910
>> Okay. Thank you.

4653
03:36:57,910 --> 03:36:57,920
» Okay. Thank you.

4654
03:36:57,920 --> 03:37:02,550
>> Your name? Uh Bob McKesc 66046.

4655
03:37:02,550 --> 03:37:02,560
» Your name? Uh Bob McKesc 66046.

4656
03:37:02,560 --> 03:37:05,680
Um I'm commenting from my experience as

4657
03:37:05,680 --> 03:37:09,439
a wheelchair user since 1968 as a result

4658
03:37:09,439 --> 03:37:11,920
of a car accident and current

4659
03:37:11,920 --> 03:37:14,479
information and referral specialist job

4660
03:37:14,479 --> 03:37:17,600
at Independence Inc. where I respond to

4661
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:19,920
among other things many requests for

4662
03:37:19,920 --> 03:37:22,640
information and assistance finding

4663
03:37:22,640 --> 03:37:24,560
affordable and accessible housing in

4664
03:37:24,560 --> 03:37:26,160
Lawrence.

4665
03:37:26,160 --> 03:37:29,040
I strongly support the city of Lawrence,

4666
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:31,279
Kansas adopting the affordable housing

4667
03:37:31,279 --> 03:37:35,200
incentive policy and encourage you to

4668
03:37:35,200 --> 03:37:38,479
approve the policy, extend the period of

4669
03:37:38,479 --> 03:37:42,000
afford affordability in perpetuity

4670
03:37:42,000 --> 03:37:44,800
keeping the all the universal design

4671
03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:48,640
requirements in place that apply to city

4672
03:37:48,640 --> 03:37:50,399
supported affordable housing

4673
03:37:50,399 --> 03:37:54,000
developments. Uh accessible design is

4674
03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:56,080
rooted in the principle that everyone

4675
03:37:56,080 --> 03:37:59,200
should have equal access and usability

4676
03:37:59,200 --> 03:38:01,760
of the built environment. Universal

4677
03:38:01,760 --> 03:38:04,720
design creates spaces, livable spaces

4678
03:38:04,720 --> 03:38:07,920
that are inclusive, accommodating, and

4679
03:38:07,920 --> 03:38:10,399
can be used by people of all ages and

4680
03:38:10,399 --> 03:38:13,359
levels of ability. Accessibility is not

4681
03:38:13,359 --> 03:38:16,160
a special need. It's universal. Uh

4682
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:18,080
nationally, according to the Centers for

4683
03:38:18,080 --> 03:38:20,720
Disease Control and Prevention, one in

4684
03:38:20,720 --> 03:38:24,160
four adults lives with a disability and

4685
03:38:24,160 --> 03:38:27,680
nearly 40% of all adults over 65 have

4686
03:38:27,680 --> 03:38:30,080
mobility limitations.

4687
03:38:30,080 --> 03:38:34,319
Yet less than 6% of homes are accessible

4688
03:38:34,319 --> 03:38:36,640
to people with even moderate physical

4689
03:38:36,640 --> 03:38:40,720
impairments. And that that is consistent

4690
03:38:40,720 --> 03:38:43,120
with our experience here in in working

4691
03:38:43,120 --> 03:38:45,760
with people that are looking for

4692
03:38:45,760 --> 03:38:50,281
accessible affordable housing. Um

4693
03:38:50,281 --> 03:38:51,040
[clears throat and cough]

4694
03:38:51,040 --> 03:38:52,800
clearly most homes, apartments, and

4695
03:38:52,800 --> 03:38:55,680
houses don't include basic accessibility

4696
03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:58,080
features. They're not their traditional

4697
03:38:58,080 --> 03:39:01,439
standard. Uh so and they are needed by

4698
03:39:01,439 --> 03:39:03,359
people as they age, experience a change

4699
03:39:03,359 --> 03:39:06,479
in health, adapt to or recover from

4700
03:39:06,479 --> 03:39:09,680
injuries or care for loved ones. So most

4701
03:39:09,680 --> 03:39:12,960
of us or our family members will need

4702
03:39:12,960 --> 03:39:14,880
accessible housing at some point in our

4703
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:17,439
lives. The the vast majority of older

4704
03:39:17,439 --> 03:39:19,359
adults want to stay in their homes and

4705
03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:21,600
age in place.

4706
03:39:21,600 --> 03:39:23,760
So including universal design

4707
03:39:23,760 --> 03:39:27,120
accessibility from the start is smarter,

4708
03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:28,960
more inclusive, and far more

4709
03:39:28,960 --> 03:39:32,479
cost-effective than retrofitting later.

4710
03:39:32,479 --> 03:39:35,920
So, I respectfully ask you to approve

4711
03:39:35,920 --> 03:39:37,760
when the time is right or when you when

4712
03:39:37,760 --> 03:39:40,800
you're deciding that to uh approve the

4713
03:39:40,800 --> 03:39:43,359
affordable housing incentive policy to

4714
03:39:43,359 --> 03:39:46,319
enable more affordable universally

4715
03:39:46,319 --> 03:39:48,560
designed accessible housing to be

4716
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:51,200
available to the many Lawrence residents

4717
03:39:51,200 --> 03:39:53,279
who need it.

4718
03:39:53,279 --> 03:39:54,319
Thank you.

4719
03:39:54,319 --> 03:40:03,590
>> Thank you.

4720
03:40:03,600 --> 03:40:07,590
Jeffrey Hepler.

4721
03:40:07,600 --> 03:40:11,600
» Hey y'all. Jeffrey Hler 66044. Uh thank

4722
03:40:11,600 --> 03:40:14,640
you mayor, vice mayor, commissioners.

4723
03:40:14,640 --> 03:40:18,640
Um, I just wanted to speak to this as uh

4724
03:40:18,640 --> 03:40:21,279
a person who

4725
03:40:21,279 --> 03:40:24,800
rents from tenants to homeowners and

4726
03:40:24,800 --> 03:40:27,279
feels very blessed to be able to do so

4727
03:40:27,279 --> 03:40:30,239
because if I'm being truthful, I don't

4728
03:40:30,239 --> 03:40:33,040
know that I could live here if I didn't

4729
03:40:33,040 --> 03:40:40,469
have subsidized rent from them. and

4730
03:40:40,479 --> 03:40:44,239
I don't know if I'd be able to do my job

4731
03:40:44,239 --> 03:40:45,840
here

4732
03:40:45,840 --> 03:40:50,000
serving serving children.

4733
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:52,229
>> Um

4734
03:40:52,229 --> 03:40:52,239
» Um

4735
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:54,000
I guess I want to share my share my

4736
03:40:54,000 --> 03:40:55,840
vision. Here's what I'm here's what I'm

4737
03:40:55,840 --> 03:40:57,200
thinking because I do want to be a

4738
03:40:57,200 --> 03:41:00,239
homeowner here. I I I used to be a

4739
03:41:00,239 --> 03:41:02,880
homeowner. I had 10 acres up by Perry

4740
03:41:02,880 --> 03:41:06,000
Lake and um you know it kind of kills me

4741
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:07,279
to be a tenant now and not be able to

4742
03:41:07,279 --> 03:41:08,640
take care of this place like I would

4743
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:12,150
like to.

4744
03:41:12,160 --> 03:41:15,200
But my vision is, you know, having a

4745
03:41:15,200 --> 03:41:17,840
tiny house here in Lawrence in a tiny

4746
03:41:17,840 --> 03:41:22,479
neighborhood with um communal gardens

4747
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:26,479
and fruit trees and um you know,

4748
03:41:26,479 --> 03:41:32,309
universal design.

4749
03:41:32,319 --> 03:41:33,920
» Yeah, I guess that's all I have to share

4750
03:41:33,920 --> 03:41:36,640
on that. I do hope that we support

4751
03:41:36,640 --> 03:41:39,040
affordable housing, very affordable

4752
03:41:39,040 --> 03:41:42,080
housing in the future because yeah, most

4753
03:41:42,080 --> 03:41:44,720
people are paying 50% plus on their

4754
03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:47,600
their incomes on on housing. That's just

4755
03:41:47,600 --> 03:41:50,479
the reality we live in and it's driving

4756
03:41:50,479 --> 03:41:53,760
people away and

4757
03:41:53,760 --> 03:41:56,309
>> they can't escape it.

4758
03:41:56,309 --> 03:41:56,319
» they can't escape it.

4759
03:41:56,319 --> 03:41:58,229
>> Thank you all for listening. Um I

4760
03:41:58,229 --> 03:41:58,239
» Thank you all for listening. Um I

4761
03:41:58,239 --> 03:42:00,160
appreciate your service. Yeah. Thank you

4762
03:42:00,160 --> 03:42:02,080
all for your com the comments from the

4763
03:42:02,080 --> 03:42:04,163
public. That's very eloquent.

4764
03:42:04,163 --> 03:42:05,359
[clears throat]

4765
03:42:05,359 --> 03:42:11,910
>> Thank you,

4766
03:42:11,920 --> 03:42:15,040
» Rhysa Williams.

4767
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:17,750
>> Hi there. I kind of want to just share a

4768
03:42:17,750 --> 03:42:17,760
» Hi there. I kind of want to just share a

4769
03:42:17,760 --> 03:42:20,080
little bit of my insight. I appreciate

4770
03:42:20,080 --> 03:42:22,080
all the effort that's being put into

4771
03:42:22,080 --> 03:42:23,680
this. Um, [clears throat] I kind of want

4772
03:42:23,680 --> 03:42:26,160
to echo what Jeffree said.

4773
03:42:26,160 --> 03:42:29,279
Um, my personal experience being that

4774
03:42:29,279 --> 03:42:32,720
I'm a single mother of three boys, um, I

4775
03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:35,920
have a voucher. I would still be in my

4776
03:42:35,920 --> 03:42:40,239
400 I'm sorry, 600 square foot

4777
03:42:40,239 --> 03:42:43,920
tiny duplex with four kids um, had I not

4778
03:42:43,920 --> 03:42:47,600
gotten a house a housing voucher. Um, so

4779
03:42:47,600 --> 03:42:50,479
I understand like things are definitely

4780
03:42:50,479 --> 03:42:52,560
hard. Um,

4781
03:42:52,560 --> 03:42:54,479
and I appreciate that Christina shared

4782
03:42:54,479 --> 03:42:56,800
those um,

4783
03:42:56,800 --> 03:42:58,960
statistics regarding the percentages of

4784
03:42:58,960 --> 03:43:00,479
women with children in the community

4785
03:43:00,479 --> 03:43:02,880
that really do need that affordable

4786
03:43:02,880 --> 03:43:06,000
housing. Um, I also was previously a

4787
03:43:06,000 --> 03:43:07,520
housing case manager for Lawrence

4788
03:43:07,520 --> 03:43:10,160
Community Shelter. So, I see that aspect

4789
03:43:10,160 --> 03:43:14,239
of this. We have multiple individuals

4790
03:43:14,239 --> 03:43:16,960
who want to be housed.

4791
03:43:16,960 --> 03:43:20,000
They're working hard. They're trying,

4792
03:43:20,000 --> 03:43:22,800
but they they they can't they can't find

4793
03:43:22,800 --> 03:43:24,720
anywhere to rent. Nobody will rent to

4794
03:43:24,720 --> 03:43:27,279
them. We break down barriers and they

4795
03:43:27,279 --> 03:43:30,720
just continue to have more barriers. So,

4796
03:43:30,720 --> 03:43:33,199
um

4797
03:43:33,199 --> 03:43:36,560
yeah, the other part of that is I have a

4798
03:43:36,560 --> 03:43:40,319
aging disabled mother. Um I'd like to

4799
03:43:40,319 --> 03:43:42,720
see some

4800
03:43:42,720 --> 03:43:46,479
smaller units like everyone said with

4801
03:43:46,479 --> 03:43:49,359
ADA accessibility. Um, so I really

4802
03:43:49,359 --> 03:43:51,199
really appreciate everything that's gone

4803
03:43:51,199 --> 03:43:53,600
into everything everyone's saying

4804
03:43:53,600 --> 03:43:55,120
tonight. Just from the bottom of my

4805
03:43:55,120 --> 03:44:04,790
heart, I appreciate it. Thank you,

4806
03:44:04,800 --> 03:44:06,649
» Mo Horowitz.

4807
03:44:06,649 --> 03:44:08,399
[clears throat]

4808
03:44:08,399 --> 03:44:10,870
>> Hi. Um, thank you so much for

4809
03:44:10,870 --> 03:44:10,880
» Hi. Um, thank you so much for

4810
03:44:10,880 --> 03:44:13,840
considering the proposed steps to create

4811
03:44:13,840 --> 03:44:17,199
more affordable, accessible housing. I

4812
03:44:17,199 --> 03:44:19,199
can't stress strongly enough the

4813
03:44:19,199 --> 03:44:20,800
difference this would make in people's

4814
03:44:20,800 --> 03:44:24,319
lives and I really appreciate everything

4815
03:44:24,319 --> 03:44:27,600
in Leah's presentation. I believe that

4816
03:44:27,600 --> 03:44:30,479
to s sustainably meet the needs of our

4817
03:44:30,479 --> 03:44:33,120
community, the housing trust fund should

4818
03:44:33,120 --> 03:44:36,319
require a 99-year affordability period

4819
03:44:36,319 --> 03:44:38,399
for all new development in order to

4820
03:44:38,399 --> 03:44:40,160
decrease displacement and increase

4821
03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:42,640
stability. But I just want to talk a

4822
03:44:42,640 --> 03:44:44,000
little bit more about the reasons to

4823
03:44:44,000 --> 03:44:46,160
improve app improve the incentive

4824
03:44:46,160 --> 03:44:48,319
policies, [snorts] universal design

4825
03:44:48,319 --> 03:44:50,399
requirements, and increase accessibility

4826
03:44:50,399 --> 03:44:53,040
since as a disabled person with a

4827
03:44:53,040 --> 03:44:54,880
disabled spouse, that's what I know

4828
03:44:54,880 --> 03:44:57,920
best. Our shortage of accessible housing

4829
03:44:57,920 --> 03:45:01,199
puts disabled Lancians at higher risk of

4830
03:45:01,199 --> 03:45:03,600
household accidents, abuse, joblessness,

4831
03:45:03,600 --> 03:45:06,800
homelessness, and and social isolation.

4832
03:45:06,800 --> 03:45:09,359
Systemic abbleism keeps disabled people

4833
03:45:09,359 --> 03:45:12,160
poor. The Department of Labor estimates

4834
03:45:12,160 --> 03:45:15,120
disabled canons earn 68 cents on the

4835
03:45:15,120 --> 03:45:18,560
dollar. A 2025 academic study of more

4836
03:45:18,560 --> 03:45:22,000
than,00 disabled adults found on average

4837
03:45:22,000 --> 03:45:24,800
we spend 20% of that lower household

4838
03:45:24,800 --> 03:45:27,120
income on disability related goods and

4839
03:45:27,120 --> 03:45:28,640
expenses.

4840
03:45:28,640 --> 03:45:31,680
Um, our city's latest housing market

4841
03:45:31,680 --> 03:45:34,399
analysis found one in four disabled

4842
03:45:34,399 --> 03:45:36,399
community members live in housing that

4843
03:45:36,399 --> 03:45:38,880
does not meet our access needs and

4844
03:45:38,880 --> 03:45:40,239
disabled [clears throat] renters usually

4845
03:45:40,239 --> 03:45:41,840
go without the accessibility

4846
03:45:41,840 --> 03:45:44,960
modifications they need. Incorporating

4847
03:45:44,960 --> 03:45:47,040
universal design features into

4848
03:45:47,040 --> 03:45:48,880
affordable housing goes a long way to

4849
03:45:48,880 --> 03:45:51,199
meeting those needs and freeing up

4850
03:45:51,199 --> 03:45:53,439
disabled people to focus on other parts

4851
03:45:53,439 --> 03:45:55,760
of our lives, including the parts that

4852
03:45:55,760 --> 03:45:58,880
lift people out of poverty. Um, not only

4853
03:45:58,880 --> 03:46:01,279
is that better for disabled people, it

4854
03:46:01,279 --> 03:46:04,160
also helps create more spending power in

4855
03:46:04,160 --> 03:46:06,000
Lawrence. And the last thing I want to

4856
03:46:06,000 --> 03:46:09,600
add is increasing accessible affordable

4857
03:46:09,600 --> 03:46:11,359
housing stock can literally save

4858
03:46:11,359 --> 03:46:13,760
people's lives in ways that may not be

4859
03:46:13,760 --> 03:46:17,120
obvious right away. Um the most

4860
03:46:17,120 --> 03:46:19,439
comprehensive meta study to date

4861
03:46:19,439 --> 03:46:21,600
estimates that nationally disabled

4862
03:46:21,600 --> 03:46:23,359
people are one and a half times more

4863
03:46:23,359 --> 03:46:26,239
likely to be abused than non-disabled

4864
03:46:26,239 --> 03:46:28,720
people. People are just more likely to

4865
03:46:28,720 --> 03:46:30,560
leave their abusers when they can find

4866
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:32,319
housing that is safe, healthy, and

4867
03:46:32,319 --> 03:46:47,910
accessible. Thank you very much.

4868
03:46:47,920 --> 03:47:06,790
Barry, you're on mute. I can't hear you.

4869
03:47:06,800 --> 03:47:08,479
» Okay, sorry about that.

4870
03:47:08,479 --> 03:47:09,030
>> No problem.

4871
03:47:09,030 --> 03:47:09,040
» No problem.

4872
03:47:09,040 --> 03:47:12,150
>> Thanks for everyone. Um I agree with a

4873
03:47:12,150 --> 03:47:12,160
» Thanks for everyone. Um I agree with a

4874
03:47:12,160 --> 03:47:14,000
lot of the comments that people have

4875
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:17,520
made about um [clears throat]

4876
03:47:17,520 --> 03:47:20,080
universal design

4877
03:47:20,080 --> 03:47:22,960
uh and the importance of that

4878
03:47:22,960 --> 03:47:26,800
uh long-term availability of these

4879
03:47:26,800 --> 03:47:30,319
units. I'm just going to point out that

4880
03:47:30,319 --> 03:47:32,880
um

4881
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:37,760
up until now a lot of our uh

4882
03:47:37,760 --> 03:47:41,279
incentives have incentivized

4883
03:47:41,279 --> 03:47:44,479
studios and onebedrooms.

4884
03:47:44,479 --> 03:47:46,000
Um

4885
03:47:46,000 --> 03:47:48,160
certainly there is a need and a market

4886
03:47:48,160 --> 03:47:51,040
for that, but I think there is

4887
03:47:51,040 --> 03:47:54,319
definitely a need for what I'm going to

4888
03:47:54,319 --> 03:47:57,212
call familyfriendly housing.

4889
03:47:57,212 --> 03:47:57,349
>> [snorts]

4890
03:47:57,349 --> 03:47:57,359
» [snorts]

4891
03:47:57,359 --> 03:48:01,349
>> Um, our school district despite the fact

4892
03:48:01,349 --> 03:48:01,359
» Um, our school district despite the fact

4893
03:48:01,359 --> 03:48:05,359
that the city is growing

4894
03:48:05,359 --> 03:48:09,359
uh is losing students and I think part

4895
03:48:09,359 --> 03:48:12,640
of that is because there is a lack of

4896
03:48:12,640 --> 03:48:16,479
affordable housing for uh school age

4897
03:48:16,479 --> 03:48:19,840
children in our town. And so I think

4898
03:48:19,840 --> 03:48:22,960
this is a very important need that needs

4899
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:25,760
to be prioritized.

4900
03:48:25,760 --> 03:48:29,120
Uh the other thing I think is important

4901
03:48:29,120 --> 03:48:33,520
is that we need to uh create a better

4902
03:48:33,520 --> 03:48:38,640
path for homeownership for people. Um

4903
03:48:38,640 --> 03:48:40,960
not everyone wants to be a homeowner,

4904
03:48:40,960 --> 03:48:45,600
but a lot of people do and can't and it

4905
03:48:45,600 --> 03:48:49,040
should be affordable and it should be a

4906
03:48:49,040 --> 03:48:52,720
part of our affordable housing strategy.

4907
03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:54,960
This is how people

4908
03:48:54,960 --> 03:48:59,600
um build uh generational wealth. Uh have

4909
03:48:59,600 --> 03:49:02,560
something of value to pass on to their

4910
03:49:02,560 --> 03:49:06,800
children and give them a leg up in life

4911
03:49:06,800 --> 03:49:10,560
so that uh you know they have that

4912
03:49:10,560 --> 03:49:14,080
opportunity. Uh we we're losing a lot of

4913
03:49:14,080 --> 03:49:18,479
that with our um high taxes. That's

4914
03:49:18,479 --> 03:49:22,000
another issue. But um I think when we're

4915
03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:25,279
looking at affordability, making sure

4916
03:49:25,279 --> 03:49:28,560
that we don't price people out of their

4917
03:49:28,560 --> 03:49:32,399
homes that they currently own is another

4918
03:49:32,399 --> 03:49:35,520
piece that this policy maybe can't

4919
03:49:35,520 --> 03:49:38,399
address, but something that I think

4920
03:49:38,399 --> 03:49:41,120
needs to be part of the conversation.

4921
03:49:41,120 --> 03:49:44,880
Thank you so much for um all of

4922
03:49:44,880 --> 03:49:47,199
everyone's work on this and for the

4923
03:49:47,199 --> 03:49:51,279
community prioritizing it.

4924
03:49:51,279 --> 03:49:53,510
>> Thank you.

4925
03:49:53,510 --> 03:49:53,520
» Thank you.

4926
03:49:53,520 --> 03:49:55,429
>> That's all the comments, Mayor.

4927
03:49:55,429 --> 03:49:55,439
» That's all the comments, Mayor.

4928
03:49:55,439 --> 03:49:57,590
>> Thank you, Sherry. Okay, bring it back

4929
03:49:57,590 --> 03:49:57,600
» Thank you, Sherry. Okay, bring it back

4930
03:49:57,600 --> 03:50:00,080
to the commission for comments. Once

4931
03:50:00,080 --> 03:50:03,920
again, we're giving direction um to Leah

4932
03:50:03,920 --> 03:50:06,080
and staff to continue to work on this

4933
03:50:06,080 --> 03:50:08,880
and uh so we have to make final votes

4934
03:50:08,880 --> 03:50:10,720
here, but uh certainly give direction

4935
03:50:10,720 --> 03:50:15,120
and I think as we do that um you know I

4936
03:50:15,120 --> 03:50:17,279
think to a certain extent Leah is

4937
03:50:17,279 --> 03:50:20,000
looking for three of us to if if we give

4938
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:23,199
some something specific do three of us

4939
03:50:23,199 --> 03:50:25,120
support that or you know at least

4940
03:50:25,120 --> 03:50:26,640
something so they don't bring us back

4941
03:50:26,640 --> 03:50:29,120
something that you know we we vote but

4942
03:50:29,120 --> 03:50:30,399
again some of This discussion is

4943
03:50:30,399 --> 03:50:31,760
probably going to be broader based. We

4944
03:50:31,760 --> 03:50:33,840
don't have to you know get to three on

4945
03:50:33,840 --> 03:50:37,199
everything but um so anyone who wants to

4946
03:50:37,199 --> 03:50:39,840
start make some comments.

4947
03:50:39,840 --> 03:50:41,590
>> Um yeah I'll go ahead and start.

4948
03:50:41,590 --> 03:50:41,600
» Um yeah I'll go ahead and start.

4949
03:50:41,600 --> 03:50:42,150
>> Okay.

4950
03:50:42,150 --> 03:50:42,160
» Okay.

4951
03:50:42,160 --> 03:50:43,670
>> Uh just going through the policy

4952
03:50:43,670 --> 03:50:43,680
» Uh just going through the policy

4953
03:50:43,680 --> 03:50:45,600
guidance slide. So as far as broader

4954
03:50:45,600 --> 03:50:49,199
focus um

4955
03:50:49,199 --> 03:50:52,239
you know I think for I think that it

4956
03:50:52,239 --> 03:50:54,880
should be it should be broad. So, um, as

4957
03:50:54,880 --> 03:50:56,560
far as the AMIs, we should be looking at

4958
03:50:56,560 --> 03:51:00,000
anywhere from 30 to 120. I think the the

4959
03:51:00,000 --> 03:51:01,439
matter of it's not necessarily the

4960
03:51:01,439 --> 03:51:03,680
eligibility piece. It's more that I want

4961
03:51:03,680 --> 03:51:05,920
to see us focus on that missing middle

4962
03:51:05,920 --> 03:51:08,560
type of housing, which we do not have

4963
03:51:08,560 --> 03:51:10,319
here. That speaks to a lot of what

4964
03:51:10,319 --> 03:51:12,640
several folks have talked about tonight.

4965
03:51:12,640 --> 03:51:15,680
Um because just housing policies in this

4966
03:51:15,680 --> 03:51:17,680
country have always been about single

4967
03:51:17,680 --> 03:51:19,920
family, detached or multif family

4968
03:51:19,920 --> 03:51:22,239
because which is apartments which is the

4969
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:24,800
only thing that

4970
03:51:24,800 --> 03:51:26,479
it's a long story but any short but any

4971
03:51:26,479 --> 03:51:28,239
I think the broad focus should be across

4972
03:51:28,239 --> 03:51:30,960
all across all of the AMIs but more

4973
03:51:30,960 --> 03:51:34,160
specifically to strategies of building

4974
03:51:34,160 --> 03:51:36,080
that missing middle type of housing. So

4975
03:51:36,080 --> 03:51:37,920
those triplexes, duplexes, town houses,

4976
03:51:37,920 --> 03:51:40,160
walkups, condos, because when you do

4977
03:51:40,160 --> 03:51:42,800
that, you hit the broader spectrum of

4978
03:51:42,800 --> 03:51:45,760
individuals of that need family housing.

4979
03:51:45,760 --> 03:51:49,439
Um that can be rentals as well as a

4980
03:51:49,439 --> 03:51:51,600
pathway to home ownership. Not home

4981
03:51:51,600 --> 03:51:53,359
ownership should not be relegated to a

4982
03:51:53,359 --> 03:51:55,120
single family detach. Home ownership

4983
03:51:55,120 --> 03:51:56,640
could be a condo, it could be a duplex,

4984
03:51:56,640 --> 03:51:58,239
it could be a townhouse. And these are

4985
03:51:58,239 --> 03:51:59,600
things that we don't have a lot of in

4986
03:51:59,600 --> 03:52:01,439
our community that developers are not

4987
03:52:01,439 --> 03:52:03,600
building, which private developers are

4988
03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:04,560
not going to do it. We're going to have

4989
03:52:04,560 --> 03:52:06,000
to we need to have these types of

4990
03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:08,800
incentives in order to get whether it's

4991
03:52:08,800 --> 03:52:10,720
local developers or even some of those

4992
03:52:10,720 --> 03:52:13,439
outside developers that are in other

4993
03:52:13,439 --> 03:52:15,120
regions that do this work and do it

4994
03:52:15,120 --> 03:52:17,199
great who would love to do this work

4995
03:52:17,199 --> 03:52:20,319
here with several of our partners. So

4996
03:52:20,319 --> 03:52:21,439
that's for part one.

4997
03:52:21,439 --> 03:52:22,389
>> Yeah.

4998
03:52:22,389 --> 03:52:22,399
» Yeah.

4999
03:52:22,399 --> 03:52:23,750
>> Okay.

5000
03:52:23,750 --> 03:52:23,760
» Okay.

5001
03:52:23,760 --> 03:52:25,359
Um, as far as the period of

5002
03:52:25,359 --> 03:52:27,199
affordability,

5003
03:52:27,199 --> 03:52:30,000
um, you know, I think we should be

5004
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:33,040
aggressive and say we want permittive,

5005
03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:35,520
we want affordability for perpetuity.

5006
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:37,680
Um, I think that should be the priority.

5007
03:52:37,680 --> 03:52:39,359
That doesn't mean we can't prioritize

5008
03:52:39,359 --> 03:52:41,279
other pieces, but that should be the

5009
03:52:41,279 --> 03:52:43,439
main priority, especially if we're going

5010
03:52:43,439 --> 03:52:47,840
to talk about other policy strategies,

5011
03:52:47,840 --> 03:52:50,560
incentive strategies when we start

5012
03:52:50,560 --> 03:52:52,960
looking at which is whether it's a RHID,

5013
03:52:52,960 --> 03:52:55,279
it's IRBs, you know, compounded with

5014
03:52:55,279 --> 03:52:57,040
some low interest loan, revolving loan,

5015
03:52:57,040 --> 03:53:00,319
whatever, whatnot. Um because that is

5016
03:53:00,319 --> 03:53:02,239
that is the tool that we can use because

5017
03:53:02,239 --> 03:53:05,840
state statute limits us um in other

5018
03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:08,479
aspects. So, while we can't mandate,

5019
03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:10,960
this is telling developers that if you

5020
03:53:10,960 --> 03:53:12,239
want to do this work and you're really

5021
03:53:12,239 --> 03:53:13,520
intentional about doing this work and

5022
03:53:13,520 --> 03:53:16,560
helping us meet our strategic plan

5023
03:53:16,560 --> 03:53:19,600
metrics, whether they stay or we reeval,

5024
03:53:19,600 --> 03:53:22,399
we readress those since it's time for us

5025
03:53:22,399 --> 03:53:26,080
to do that. Um, that we will then have a

5026
03:53:26,080 --> 03:53:28,640
cadre of incentive packages that we can

5027
03:53:28,640 --> 03:53:30,640
offer them for being a good partner for

5028
03:53:30,640 --> 03:53:32,880
us in that. So, definitely should

5029
03:53:32,880 --> 03:53:34,399
prioritize

5030
03:53:34,399 --> 03:53:36,399
um perpetuity. Um, but it doesn't mean

5031
03:53:36,399 --> 03:53:38,319
we can't look at other aspects. I think

5032
03:53:38,319 --> 03:53:40,399
what I what I was able to research, you

5033
03:53:40,399 --> 03:53:42,160
know, everyone always talks about 20 to

5034
03:53:42,160 --> 03:53:45,279
30 years is the sweet spot. That's just

5035
03:53:45,279 --> 03:53:46,960
best practice. That's the bare minimum.

5036
03:53:46,960 --> 03:53:48,960
That's scraping the floor where you

5037
03:53:48,960 --> 03:53:51,359
really start to get into

5038
03:53:51,359 --> 03:53:53,520
municipalities that offer those robust

5039
03:53:53,520 --> 03:53:55,040
loans and incentives is when you're

5040
03:53:55,040 --> 03:53:57,359
looking at 40 to 50 year. And then

5041
03:53:57,359 --> 03:53:59,520
anything o over 50 years is where you're

5042
03:53:59,520 --> 03:54:01,520
getting into those deep subsidies and

5043
03:54:01,520 --> 03:54:02,640
that's where you're starting to make

5044
03:54:02,640 --> 03:54:04,080
that's where you start to make headway.

5045
03:54:04,080 --> 03:54:05,680
So, if we want to really continue to

5046
03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:07,920
chip away at this in a way that is very

5047
03:54:07,920 --> 03:54:09,760
intentional and that we're going to

5048
03:54:09,760 --> 03:54:12,800
drive affordability and drive ownership,

5049
03:54:12,800 --> 03:54:14,080
then we need to start looking at

5050
03:54:14,080 --> 03:54:15,920
perpetuity.

5051
03:54:15,920 --> 03:54:20,479
Okay. So, um low interest loans,

5052
03:54:20,479 --> 03:54:22,960
as soon as I, you know, Leah talked

5053
03:54:22,960 --> 03:54:25,840
about this, go with it. Um I shared with

5054
03:54:25,840 --> 03:54:28,399
her and I do have a couple of resources

5055
03:54:28,399 --> 03:54:30,399
of spending some time in Salt Lake City

5056
03:54:30,399 --> 03:54:31,840
and what they've been able to do with

5057
03:54:31,840 --> 03:54:34,000
their with their revolving loan um

5058
03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:36,319
program to the point that Miss Alry

5059
03:54:36,319 --> 03:54:38,319
started stated about when you have that

5060
03:54:38,319 --> 03:54:40,399
loan piece then you start to reinvest

5061
03:54:40,399 --> 03:54:41,760
money and then you can start to gain

5062
03:54:41,760 --> 03:54:44,399
interest which means you're f you're

5063
03:54:44,399 --> 03:54:46,239
you're adding and you're acrewing more

5064
03:54:46,239 --> 03:54:49,439
money that could be utilized. So um

5065
03:54:49,439 --> 03:54:51,680
these are tools we haven't used. I don't

5066
03:54:51,680 --> 03:54:54,319
know if it's timidity or just not having

5067
03:54:54,319 --> 03:54:56,560
the drive or the willingness to do it.

5068
03:54:56,560 --> 03:55:00,080
Um, but there are CDFIS, you know,

5069
03:55:00,080 --> 03:55:01,600
there's not many I don't think we have

5070
03:55:01,600 --> 03:55:03,680
any now in the state of Kansas, but it

5071
03:55:03,680 --> 03:55:04,880
doesn't mean there's not opportunities

5072
03:55:04,880 --> 03:55:07,600
for us. CRA, we need to be very

5073
03:55:07,600 --> 03:55:10,720
innovative in in how we can start to

5074
03:55:10,720 --> 03:55:12,399
look at our financial institutions in

5075
03:55:12,399 --> 03:55:14,800
our community and say if you really

5076
03:55:14,800 --> 03:55:16,080
believe in this community and you

5077
03:55:16,080 --> 03:55:19,279
believe in what our strategic plan is

5078
03:55:19,279 --> 03:55:20,479
about and what we're trying to do for a

5079
03:55:20,479 --> 03:55:22,000
place for everyone, then we need you to

5080
03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:24,080
get on board and start uh being good

5081
03:55:24,080 --> 03:55:25,520
partners in this and that means being a

5082
03:55:25,520 --> 03:55:28,880
CRA uh institution and provide and being

5083
03:55:28,880 --> 03:55:31,120
a resource for us in this in this piece.

5084
03:55:31,120 --> 03:55:34,239
So, I definitely would like to see us uh

5085
03:55:34,239 --> 03:55:35,680
have staff bring something back to us

5086
03:55:35,680 --> 03:55:36,960
what that look like because it's a

5087
03:55:36,960 --> 03:55:40,239
proven uh it's a proven uh solution that

5088
03:55:40,239 --> 03:55:42,640
works and it has worked in several um

5089
03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:44,640
commun communities and municipalities

5090
03:55:44,640 --> 03:55:46,960
across the country. So, we have that um

5091
03:55:46,960 --> 03:55:48,880
fee waivers and land donations. I think

5092
03:55:48,880 --> 03:55:51,120
that speaks to 7231. So, I think the

5093
03:55:51,120 --> 03:55:52,560
broader piece of this is that if we need

5094
03:55:52,560 --> 03:55:54,720
staff to to bring that back or res, you

5095
03:55:54,720 --> 03:55:56,319
know, that we take a look at that, I

5096
03:55:56,319 --> 03:55:57,520
think we should just leave it under that

5097
03:55:57,520 --> 03:55:59,600
and not necessarily get into the minutia

5098
03:55:59,600 --> 03:56:01,600
of that piece. And as far as

5099
03:56:01,600 --> 03:56:03,760
consideration of of additional

5100
03:56:03,760 --> 03:56:06,399
incentives, um I know some of the things

5101
03:56:06,399 --> 03:56:08,399
out of the little book and as well as

5102
03:56:08,399 --> 03:56:10,080
some things that that came to my mind, I

5103
03:56:10,080 --> 03:56:12,399
know the city of Dallas has done some

5104
03:56:12,399 --> 03:56:14,239
things around targeted zones, whether

5105
03:56:14,239 --> 03:56:17,359
it's infill zone incentives or overlays

5106
03:56:17,359 --> 03:56:19,760
where, you know, we've we've had some

5107
03:56:19,760 --> 03:56:22,000
very interesting infield projects come

5108
03:56:22,000 --> 03:56:24,239
before us and we've we've done a lot of

5109
03:56:24,239 --> 03:56:26,000
arguing around it, but maybe we can get

5110
03:56:26,000 --> 03:56:29,279
ahead of this if we identify areas um

5111
03:56:29,279 --> 03:56:32,560
within our community that would be that

5112
03:56:32,560 --> 03:56:34,399
would be great opportunities for infield

5113
03:56:34,399 --> 03:56:36,160
development and create incentive

5114
03:56:36,160 --> 03:56:38,479
packages around that. That's something

5115
03:56:38,479 --> 03:56:41,040
for us to continue uh to look into. Um

5116
03:56:41,040 --> 03:56:43,920
we have one potential census track that

5117
03:56:43,920 --> 03:56:46,319
could be a great opportunity for us as

5118
03:56:46,319 --> 03:56:48,880
far as opportunity zone. Um the governor

5119
03:56:48,880 --> 03:56:51,840
gets to pick 58 out of 212 in the state.

5120
03:56:51,840 --> 03:56:53,760
It would be great if we could make one

5121
03:56:53,760 --> 03:56:56,640
of those um 58

5122
03:56:56,640 --> 03:56:58,070
>> the one that I think that'd be quite

5123
03:56:58,070 --> 03:56:58,080
» the one that I think that'd be quite

5124
03:56:58,080 --> 03:57:00,160
marketable for us in that. And the other

5125
03:57:00,160 --> 03:57:02,000
one is um that I know we kind of talked

5126
03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:04,160
about it in design standards, but I know

5127
03:57:04,160 --> 03:57:06,239
I think there was city of Overland Park

5128
03:57:06,239 --> 03:57:08,800
passed their pre-approved design so that

5129
03:57:08,800 --> 03:57:10,720
they have a certain design housing

5130
03:57:10,720 --> 03:57:14,160
designs that are pre-approved by um by

5131
03:57:14,160 --> 03:57:15,920
planning that can go through and so that

5132
03:57:15,920 --> 03:57:17,920
kind of speeds up that permitting and

5133
03:57:17,920 --> 03:57:20,160
and and design process. So, just a

5134
03:57:20,160 --> 03:57:23,840
couple of things there with that.

5135
03:57:23,840 --> 03:57:24,389
>> Thank you.

5136
03:57:24,389 --> 03:57:24,399
» Thank you.

5137
03:57:24,399 --> 03:57:25,830
>> Yeah, I think I'm just going to since

5138
03:57:25,830 --> 03:57:25,840
» Yeah, I think I'm just going to since

5139
03:57:25,840 --> 03:57:27,439
she touched on a lot of those items, I

5140
03:57:27,439 --> 03:57:29,920
just wanted to reinforce um the the

5141
03:57:29,920 --> 03:57:33,199
concept of perpetuity is great in on

5142
03:57:33,199 --> 03:57:35,040
paper. I think a lot of these projects

5143
03:57:35,040 --> 03:57:37,199
are designed and built to maybe last 50

5144
03:57:37,199 --> 03:57:38,560
years. I think HUD might have

5145
03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:40,560
restrictions on how long they'll place a

5146
03:57:40,560 --> 03:57:42,399
loan on a property like this, but let's

5147
03:57:42,399 --> 03:57:44,960
just say 50 years is a reasonable period

5148
03:57:44,960 --> 03:57:47,120
of time to get out of a an apartment

5149
03:57:47,120 --> 03:57:49,199
complex or even a single family home

5150
03:57:49,199 --> 03:57:52,160
without a lot of reinvestment or or um

5151
03:57:52,160 --> 03:57:54,000
improvements. Um those structures are

5152
03:57:54,000 --> 03:57:55,520
not going to probably be around for 100

5153
03:57:55,520 --> 03:57:57,520
years. So we're we're in the question I

5154
03:57:57,520 --> 03:57:59,760
have is if we do have a rule or some

5155
03:57:59,760 --> 03:58:02,160
requirement of perpetuity, what happens

5156
03:58:02,160 --> 03:58:05,040
if these units age out and they're no

5157
03:58:05,040 --> 03:58:07,680
longer suitable for habitation and does

5158
03:58:07,680 --> 03:58:09,439
that person now responsible for

5159
03:58:09,439 --> 03:58:11,279
resupplying the market with those units

5160
03:58:11,279 --> 03:58:13,680
again in the future or are they off the

5161
03:58:13,680 --> 03:58:15,359
hook? You know, because those because

5162
03:58:15,359 --> 03:58:17,840
you know, real estate andor buildings

5163
03:58:17,840 --> 03:58:19,680
have an expected useful life and and

5164
03:58:19,680 --> 03:58:21,199
whether we want them to last 100 years

5165
03:58:21,199 --> 03:58:23,120
or not, frankly, they're just probably

5166
03:58:23,120 --> 03:58:25,199
won't. And so we need to be realistic

5167
03:58:25,199 --> 03:58:27,760
about that, too. So I'm I'm in favor of

5168
03:58:27,760 --> 03:58:30,640
of setting um high goals for those um

5169
03:58:30,640 --> 03:58:32,880
properties. Um but I also want to make

5170
03:58:32,880 --> 03:58:35,120
sure we don't overshoot our expectations

5171
03:58:35,120 --> 03:58:36,640
on how long these buildings will

5172
03:58:36,640 --> 03:58:39,920
actually last and and be useful. And um

5173
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:42,080
also I'm I think um I'm also with

5174
03:58:42,080 --> 03:58:43,439
Commissioner Sers. I think if we can

5175
03:58:43,439 --> 03:58:46,399
incentivize or create an opportunity

5176
03:58:46,399 --> 03:58:48,239
zone or have an area that we've already

5177
03:58:48,239 --> 03:58:50,000
targeted for certain incentives that

5178
03:58:50,000 --> 03:58:51,840
might draw outside developers to our

5179
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:53,600
community who aren't familiar with

5180
03:58:53,600 --> 03:58:56,720
Lawrence and who may be shy um may be a

5181
03:58:56,720 --> 03:58:58,080
good opportunity for them to come in and

5182
03:58:58,080 --> 03:59:00,080
and see what it's like to build in our

5183
03:59:00,080 --> 03:59:03,279
community. And then um the 7231 um

5184
03:59:03,279 --> 03:59:07,120
requirements relative to um funds and

5185
03:59:07,120 --> 03:59:10,080
fee wavers relative to those um revenue

5186
03:59:10,080 --> 03:59:12,319
funds. I think I'd like to make sure we

5187
03:59:12,319 --> 03:59:14,080
have as many tools as possible. So, if

5188
03:59:14,080 --> 03:59:16,239
we can touch on that, I would be also in

5189
03:59:16,239 --> 03:59:17,920
favor of that. So, that would be at

5190
03:59:17,920 --> 03:59:19,600
least two people would be interested in

5191
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:23,120
in seeing that move forward. And um and

5192
03:59:23,120 --> 03:59:25,760
I think that's pretty much it as far as

5193
03:59:25,760 --> 03:59:28,080
um not touched on already.

5194
03:59:28,080 --> 03:59:30,389
>> Okay.

5195
03:59:30,389 --> 03:59:30,399
» Okay.

5196
03:59:30,399 --> 03:59:34,229
>> Comments on this end?

5197
03:59:34,239 --> 03:59:38,229
» It's so much

5198
03:59:38,239 --> 03:59:39,840
» uh I'm just going to make some comments.

5199
03:59:39,840 --> 03:59:41,359
I really do appreciate everything that

5200
03:59:41,359 --> 03:59:43,359
you guys have said. More importantly,

5201
03:59:43,359 --> 03:59:46,800
I'm very grateful for the public's

5202
03:59:46,800 --> 03:59:48,960
um comments.

5203
03:59:48,960 --> 03:59:53,040
I'm appreciative uh KPIs. I would a lot

5204
03:59:53,040 --> 03:59:54,880
of what I'm thinking about is more

5205
03:59:54,880 --> 03:59:57,279
operational which would come after

5206
03:59:57,279 --> 03:59:58,960
implementation.

5207
03:59:58,960 --> 04:00:02,399
Um we haven't talked about I'm in case

5208
04:00:02,399 --> 04:00:04,720
it's not obvious, I'm I'm not a fan of

5209
04:00:04,720 --> 04:00:07,840
building in the flood plane. So, if

5210
04:00:07,840 --> 04:00:09,359
there's anything involved in that

5211
04:00:09,359 --> 04:00:11,439
regard, if we can avoid that, that'd be

5212
04:00:11,439 --> 04:00:15,120
great. But, um,

5213
04:00:15,120 --> 04:00:16,640
by and large, let me just say thank you

5214
04:00:16,640 --> 04:00:19,520
to the community. Thank you very much to

5215
04:00:19,520 --> 04:00:21,520
the staff and and the commission that

5216
04:00:21,520 --> 04:00:23,600
has been working on this previous to me

5217
04:00:23,600 --> 04:00:26,000
getting here. Uh, and I would be in

5218
04:00:26,000 --> 04:00:28,000
favor of pretty much everything that you

5219
04:00:28,000 --> 04:00:29,359
guys have talked about thus far,

5220
04:00:29,359 --> 04:00:31,600
Commissioner Sers, uh, Commissioner

5221
04:00:31,600 --> 04:00:33,279
Deber,

5222
04:00:33,279 --> 04:00:35,680
because we will have an opportunity to

5223
04:00:35,680 --> 04:00:36,399
come back to this.

5224
04:00:36,399 --> 04:00:37,189
>> Oh, yeah.

5225
04:00:37,189 --> 04:00:37,199
» Oh, yeah.

5226
04:00:37,199 --> 04:00:39,030
>> And the only other point I want to make

5227
04:00:39,030 --> 04:00:39,040
» And the only other point I want to make

5228
04:00:39,040 --> 04:00:40,160
is I really [clears throat] am

5229
04:00:40,160 --> 04:00:42,399
interested involving the school board if

5230
04:00:42,399 --> 04:00:44,880
there's any way we can

5231
04:00:44,880 --> 04:00:48,880
in general meet with them. I once a

5232
04:00:48,880 --> 04:00:51,760
quarter sounds easy, but it tends to be

5233
04:00:51,760 --> 04:00:54,640
arduous with schedules, etc. is if we

5234
04:00:54,640 --> 04:00:56,479
could maybe approach meeting them and

5235
04:00:56,479 --> 04:00:58,319
maybe this could be one of the topics

5236
04:00:58,319 --> 04:01:00,880
they would certainly be affected by it.

5237
04:01:00,880 --> 04:01:02,640
Um if it's nothing more than a work

5238
04:01:02,640 --> 04:01:08,550
session that would be great. Um,

5239
04:01:08,560 --> 04:01:10,880
» are you just so Commissioner Pain, are

5240
04:01:10,880 --> 04:01:12,960
you thinking like as far as just a

5241
04:01:12,960 --> 04:01:16,229
better

5242
04:01:16,239 --> 04:01:19,520
cuz I think only certain aspects I mean

5243
04:01:19,520 --> 04:01:22,319
I guess when you say speak more to the

5244
04:01:22,319 --> 04:01:25,359
school board on this, is there something

5245
04:01:25,359 --> 04:01:28,560
specific to that? Because I know not all

5246
04:01:28,560 --> 04:01:30,479
pieces of this is it more of like

5247
04:01:30,479 --> 04:01:33,760
strategies around types of housing. Are

5248
04:01:33,760 --> 04:01:37,439
you thinking about it as it relates to

5249
04:01:37,439 --> 04:01:40,160
potential IRBs and RAS which do impact

5250
04:01:40,160 --> 04:01:41,680
the school board because of that vote

5251
04:01:41,680 --> 04:01:43,600
because not everything that could be

5252
04:01:43,600 --> 04:01:45,439
that could potentially be done would

5253
04:01:45,439 --> 04:01:47,920
necessarily need to involve the school

5254
04:01:47,920 --> 04:01:50,000
board. So I guess I want to be able to

5255
04:01:50,000 --> 04:01:51,520
understand because I don't want us to

5256
04:01:51,520 --> 04:01:53,120
have a meeting to have a meeting but

5257
04:01:53,120 --> 04:01:55,359
what in specific if there's anything

5258
04:01:55,359 --> 04:01:58,000
specific or at least guidelines

5259
04:01:58,000 --> 04:02:00,319
framework outline of what what that

5260
04:02:00,319 --> 04:02:02,399
meeting would look like. I would like to

5261
04:02:02,399 --> 04:02:08,160
hear what their um perspective is on

5262
04:02:08,160 --> 04:02:11,680
housing as it affects their families and

5263
04:02:11,680 --> 04:02:13,199
the children coming into the school. I

5264
04:02:13,199 --> 04:02:14,399
think that would be some valuable

5265
04:02:14,399 --> 04:02:16,880
information and you're absolutely right.

5266
04:02:16,880 --> 04:02:20,560
Um there is a lot that does not pertain

5267
04:02:20,560 --> 04:02:23,120
to them or would affect them. I would

5268
04:02:23,120 --> 04:02:26,560
really like their just their feedback on

5269
04:02:26,560 --> 04:02:29,439
the plan that we have that would affect

5270
04:02:29,439 --> 04:02:31,647
them. So

5271
04:02:31,647 --> 04:02:32,560
[snorts]

5272
04:02:32,560 --> 04:02:35,510
>> an overarching discussion on it really

5273
04:02:35,510 --> 04:02:35,520
» an overarching discussion on it really

5274
04:02:35,520 --> 04:02:38,479
kind of more to involve them in in the

5275
04:02:38,479 --> 04:02:40,720
process. I've heard from many board

5276
04:02:40,720 --> 04:02:43,040
members uh in the past 6 to 8 months

5277
04:02:43,040 --> 04:02:46,239
that they not many a few let me say that

5278
04:02:46,239 --> 04:02:48,479
that they would really value kind of

5279
04:02:48,479 --> 04:02:52,080
being involved more uh just not for any

5280
04:02:52,080 --> 04:02:54,319
other reason than communication

5281
04:02:54,319 --> 04:02:55,680
and [clears throat] understanding in

5282
04:02:55,680 --> 04:02:59,120
general not just with this but with city

5283
04:02:59,120 --> 04:03:02,319
affairs anything that might affect them

5284
04:03:02,319 --> 04:03:05,600
any kind of tax incentives etc. So maybe

5285
04:03:05,600 --> 04:03:08,319
just an opportunity to hear what they

5286
04:03:08,319 --> 04:03:10,560
have to say. [snorts]

5287
04:03:10,560 --> 04:03:13,590
>> Um and it doesn't have to be today

5288
04:03:13,590 --> 04:03:13,600
» Um and it doesn't have to be today

5289
04:03:13,600 --> 04:03:15,600
obviously that we start orchestrating

5290
04:03:15,600 --> 04:03:18,000
this but

5291
04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:21,120
um I would like to see something and

5292
04:03:21,120 --> 04:03:22,800
they may not even be interested and if

5293
04:03:22,800 --> 04:03:24,720
that's the case that makes it easy.

5294
04:03:24,720 --> 04:03:25,750
>> Yeah.

5295
04:03:25,750 --> 04:03:25,760
» Yeah.

5296
04:03:25,760 --> 04:03:29,269
>> Um

5297
04:03:29,279 --> 04:03:31,680
that's I I feel like that's we've we've

5298
04:03:31,680 --> 04:03:33,439
bitten off a little bit. I think we've

5299
04:03:33,439 --> 04:03:35,840
got given a lot for staff to think about

5300
04:03:35,840 --> 04:03:39,760
thus far. I'm good. [snorts]

5301
04:03:39,760 --> 04:03:42,469
>> I mean, you know, to add to a couple

5302
04:03:42,469 --> 04:03:42,479
» I mean, you know, to add to a couple

5303
04:03:42,479 --> 04:03:44,239
things that were say said, the idea of

5304
04:03:44,239 --> 04:03:46,479
the zone in the overlay district to get

5305
04:03:46,479 --> 04:03:48,080
developers interested, I'm definitely

5306
04:03:48,080 --> 04:03:49,359
interested in hearing more about that.

5307
04:03:49,359 --> 04:03:52,640
But also around homes that are below AMI

5308
04:03:52,640 --> 04:03:55,840
30%. Um,

5309
04:03:55,840 --> 04:03:57,520
you know, when you talk about

5310
04:03:57,520 --> 04:03:59,199
affordability,

5311
04:03:59,199 --> 04:04:01,680
you know, 60% of people can't afford a

5312
04:04:01,680 --> 04:04:04,239
medical emergency, 40% don't have $500

5313
04:04:04,239 --> 04:04:05,840
in the name, and 20% don't have enough

5314
04:04:05,840 --> 04:04:09,920
food. So when we talk about the budget

5315
04:04:09,920 --> 04:04:12,880
going forward and we talk about this, if

5316
04:04:12,880 --> 04:04:14,239
we're going to make a dent in

5317
04:04:14,239 --> 04:04:16,080
homelessness, if we're [snorts] going to

5318
04:04:16,080 --> 04:04:17,920
make a dent with transitional housing to

5319
04:04:17,920 --> 04:04:20,560
pick people up off their feet, I think

5320
04:04:20,560 --> 04:04:22,800
we need to focus on the AMI30, what that

5321
04:04:22,800 --> 04:04:26,080
looks like, and what we can do to move

5322
04:04:26,080 --> 04:04:28,239
the needle so that the KPIs that we have

5323
04:04:28,239 --> 04:04:31,920
show that people are less stressed about

5324
04:04:31,920 --> 04:04:34,319
owning homes, about renting, and that

5325
04:04:34,319 --> 04:04:36,160
the line for people experiencing

5326
04:04:36,160 --> 04:04:38,640
homelessness continues to go down and so

5327
04:04:38,640 --> 04:04:40,720
I know this is a active thing that we'll

5328
04:04:40,720 --> 04:04:43,439
be working on over time but those are my

5329
04:04:43,439 --> 04:04:47,199
initial thoughts at this moment.

5330
04:04:47,199 --> 04:04:50,389
>> Um great I'll make a few comments but

5331
04:04:50,389 --> 04:04:50,399
» Um great I'll make a few comments but

5332
04:04:50,399 --> 04:04:53,199
Shannon I might ask you a question. Can

5333
04:04:53,199 --> 04:04:54,800
you tell me what the waiting list now is

5334
04:04:54,800 --> 04:04:56,720
for vouchers?

5335
04:04:56,720 --> 04:04:57,920
I mean

5336
04:04:57,920 --> 04:04:59,990
>> and uh the housing authority we have a

5337
04:04:59,990 --> 04:05:00,000
» and uh the housing authority we have a

5338
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:02,479
combined waiting list. So all public

5339
04:05:02,479 --> 04:05:05,120
housing units and vouchers are on it,

5340
04:05:05,120 --> 04:05:09,040
but the voucher list is about 460 people

5341
04:05:09,040 --> 04:05:12,000
and and I will say that as I said 70% of

5342
04:05:12,000 --> 04:05:16,239
our people are at or below 30% of AMI. A

5343
04:05:16,239 --> 04:05:19,520
third of everybody we serve um is are

5344
04:05:19,520 --> 04:05:24,560
disabled and uh we have about 70% of our

5345
04:05:24,560 --> 04:05:26,640
families are headed by single female

5346
04:05:26,640 --> 04:05:31,840
head of household. So, um, we really are

5347
04:05:31,840 --> 04:05:36,080
serving the the that end of the spectrum

5348
04:05:36,080 --> 04:05:40,640
and and to and you know, historically we

5349
04:05:40,640 --> 04:05:42,720
have our public housing because HUD gave

5350
04:05:42,720 --> 04:05:45,439
us the money to do it. That program

5351
04:05:45,439 --> 04:05:48,640
doesn't exist anymore. So, all of those

5352
04:05:48,640 --> 04:05:53,120
units are are 60 years old and we've

5353
04:05:53,120 --> 04:05:57,680
kept them right wellmaintained.

5354
04:05:57,680 --> 04:06:01,120
um because quite frankly we have to and

5355
04:06:01,120 --> 04:06:05,040
so every additional unit we bring on we

5356
04:06:05,040 --> 04:06:07,439
bring on in perpetuity

5357
04:06:07,439 --> 04:06:10,560
and pe nobody pays more than 30% of

5358
04:06:10,560 --> 04:06:13,680
their income to to live with us. So, so

5359
04:06:13,680 --> 04:06:16,479
that was my point earlier is is whatever

5360
04:06:16,479 --> 04:06:20,080
this plan does and I and I hope we do as

5361
04:06:20,080 --> 04:06:23,439
much in the full spectrum just keep an

5362
04:06:23,439 --> 04:06:26,399
eye to this bottom part because the

5363
04:06:26,399 --> 04:06:28,479
performers don't work. We can't do it

5364
04:06:28,479 --> 04:06:32,000
with rent. We have to do it with

5365
04:06:32,000 --> 04:06:33,600
you know government funding.

5366
04:06:33,600 --> 04:06:37,750
>> Yeah. And I think Thank you, Shannon. Um

5367
04:06:37,750 --> 04:06:37,760
» Yeah. And I think Thank you, Shannon. Um

5368
04:06:37,760 --> 04:06:42,239
and you know I I agree basically with

5369
04:06:42,239 --> 04:06:45,359
that. I mean I think this policy as as

5370
04:06:45,359 --> 04:06:48,160
has as has been mentioned we need um to

5371
04:06:48,160 --> 04:06:52,800
be able to um I I focus on poopurityity

5372
04:06:52,800 --> 04:06:56,080
and focus on um you know 30% of AMI but

5373
04:06:56,080 --> 04:07:00,479
we also need to be ready to um you know

5374
04:07:00,479 --> 04:07:02,880
be able to have large number of units

5375
04:07:02,880 --> 04:07:05,680
come online that we can keep our voucher

5376
04:07:05,680 --> 04:07:07,680
list from becoming too long and using

5377
04:07:07,680 --> 04:07:10,800
those vouchers. You know, I think you

5378
04:07:10,800 --> 04:07:12,800
know, we got this affordable housing tax

5379
04:07:12,800 --> 04:07:15,520
at the right time that and we focused

5380
04:07:15,520 --> 04:07:18,560
and were able to get a large number of

5381
04:07:18,560 --> 04:07:21,760
LITC projects in this community by

5382
04:07:21,760 --> 04:07:23,920
having this at the right time, getting

5383
04:07:23,920 --> 04:07:26,720
two or three a year um for several years

5384
04:07:26,720 --> 04:07:28,399
that other communities couldn't compete

5385
04:07:28,399 --> 04:07:31,199
with. And and I think that, you know, I

5386
04:07:31,199 --> 04:07:34,319
I feel good about that approach. I do

5387
04:07:34,319 --> 04:07:36,160
think going forward we know that the

5388
04:07:36,160 --> 04:07:39,279
LITC projects will not be as readily

5389
04:07:39,279 --> 04:07:43,359
available and in in that scenario I

5390
04:07:43,359 --> 04:07:45,439
think it makes me think of two things.

5391
04:07:45,439 --> 04:07:48,960
One, it makes me think we need to focus

5392
04:07:48,960 --> 04:07:51,199
on, you know, some of the things as this

5393
04:07:51,199 --> 04:07:54,560
policy really highlights areas we've not

5394
04:07:54,560 --> 04:07:56,960
made as big a dent in. Home ownership,

5395
04:07:56,960 --> 04:07:59,600
30% AMI, perpetuity. I think that's a

5396
04:07:59,600 --> 04:08:01,520
good thing to focus on, but [snorts] I

5397
04:08:01,520 --> 04:08:04,319
want this I guess I want to be sure the

5398
04:08:04,319 --> 04:08:08,800
policy puts us in a place where we can

5399
04:08:08,800 --> 04:08:10,800
if there's only going to be two LITC

5400
04:08:10,800 --> 04:08:13,840
projects in the state, you know, do we

5401
04:08:13,840 --> 04:08:15,120
have a shot at one of those? So, we're

5402
04:08:15,120 --> 04:08:16,160
probably not going to get one every

5403
04:08:16,160 --> 04:08:19,439
year, maybe not every other year, but um

5404
04:08:19,439 --> 04:08:22,640
having a policy that lets us um you

5405
04:08:22,640 --> 04:08:24,160
know, do a tenure homeowners project

5406
04:08:24,160 --> 04:08:27,120
that's lit based, you know, combined and

5407
04:08:27,120 --> 04:08:29,937
and and have that advantage. And so, I

5408
04:08:29,937 --> 04:08:32,880
[snorts] do um like that kind of dual

5409
04:08:32,880 --> 04:08:35,279
approach. I do think we need to look at

5410
04:08:35,279 --> 04:08:38,800
the process and the idea of just having

5411
04:08:38,800 --> 04:08:40,880
one allocation

5412
04:08:40,880 --> 04:08:43,920
once a year with certain deadlines. I do

5413
04:08:43,920 --> 04:08:46,560
not think puts us in the best position

5414
04:08:46,560 --> 04:08:50,319
to um jump on those opportunities. And I

5415
04:08:50,319 --> 04:08:52,640
think that's true not only of LITC type

5416
04:08:52,640 --> 04:08:54,080
projects, but I think it's true of

5417
04:08:54,080 --> 04:08:56,080
tenure homeless projects or housing

5418
04:08:56,080 --> 04:08:58,800
authority. Someone says, "Hey, I have a

5419
04:08:58,800 --> 04:09:00,960
duplex. I want to, you know, sell to the

5420
04:09:00,960 --> 04:09:03,120
housing authority or, you know, work

5421
04:09:03,120 --> 04:09:05,040
with tent homeowners and sell it to them

5422
04:09:05,040 --> 04:09:06,880
for something cheap." And they're

5423
04:09:06,880 --> 04:09:08,000
looking around going, "Well, we don't

5424
04:09:08,000 --> 04:09:09,359
have any money for that." And we can

5425
04:09:09,359 --> 04:09:11,439
apply, you know, seven months from now

5426
04:09:11,439 --> 04:09:13,120
and then get money the year later. I

5427
04:09:13,120 --> 04:09:14,239
mean, I think we need to have some

5428
04:09:14,239 --> 04:09:17,120
flexibility in the [snorts] process so

5429
04:09:17,120 --> 04:09:20,080
that we can take advantage of the

5430
04:09:20,080 --> 04:09:22,239
opportunities that will not that that

5431
04:09:22,239 --> 04:09:24,640
that that present themselves. And so I

5432
04:09:24,640 --> 04:09:26,720
think I I do want to look at that

5433
04:09:26,720 --> 04:09:29,040
process and and maybe this policy should

5434
04:09:29,040 --> 04:09:32,640
not be that that um section 8 about the

5435
04:09:32,640 --> 04:09:34,640
pol the procedure. I don't think this

5436
04:09:34,640 --> 04:09:37,520
policy should be so prescriptive on what

5437
04:09:37,520 --> 04:09:40,640
our procedure is. And I think we need to

5438
04:09:40,640 --> 04:09:43,439
um as a policy think about how we can be

5439
04:09:43,439 --> 04:09:46,000
readily available on jumping on the

5440
04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:47,600
right opportunities and having some

5441
04:09:47,600 --> 04:09:51,439
flexibility there. Um so I'd like to see

5442
04:09:51,439 --> 04:09:54,560
that. I'd like to see um you know

5443
04:09:54,560 --> 04:09:57,199
looking at 7231 and looking at fee

5444
04:09:57,199 --> 04:09:59,920
waiverss. I think that is a possibility

5445
04:09:59,920 --> 04:10:05,439
to expand um what we can do um and you

5446
04:10:05,439 --> 04:10:07,680
know with the limited dollars we have

5447
04:10:07,680 --> 04:10:09,760
and and give us some possibilities on

5448
04:10:09,760 --> 04:10:13,040
LITC but also on on you know other type

5449
04:10:13,040 --> 04:10:14,560
projects. So I think we want to look at

5450
04:10:14,560 --> 04:10:16,479
that.

5451
04:10:16,479 --> 04:10:18,399
Um

5452
04:10:18,399 --> 04:10:21,520
I I I do agree wholeheartedly with

5453
04:10:21,520 --> 04:10:24,880
Commissioner Cos on that home we need

5454
04:10:24,880 --> 04:10:27,040
home ownership projects that aren't just

5455
04:10:27,040 --> 04:10:30,479
single family detached and that this

5456
04:10:30,479 --> 04:10:33,040
policy should maybe even make that

5457
04:10:33,040 --> 04:10:36,560
explicit that you know um you know again

5458
04:10:36,560 --> 04:10:37,359
condos

5459
04:10:37,359 --> 04:10:38,309
>> diversity

5460
04:10:38,309 --> 04:10:38,319
» diversity

5461
04:10:38,319 --> 04:10:42,389
>> you know duplexes forlexes that that all

5462
04:10:42,389 --> 04:10:42,399
» you know duplexes forlexes that that all

5463
04:10:42,399 --> 04:10:44,399
um encouraging home ownership projects

5464
04:10:44,399 --> 04:10:46,399
that aren't just one or the

5465
04:10:46,399 --> 04:10:48,960
Um, not to say we can't have single

5466
04:10:48,960 --> 04:10:51,600
family, you know, projects. Um, but I I

5467
04:10:51,600 --> 04:10:55,199
I think we need to to talk about that

5468
04:10:55,199 --> 04:11:00,000
more generally. Um, I would say

5469
04:11:00,000 --> 04:11:02,720
I I I like the, you know, I understand

5470
04:11:02,720 --> 04:11:04,960
the 50 versus the 99 years. I think we

5471
04:11:04,960 --> 04:11:07,139
need some flexibility there.

5472
04:11:07,139 --> 04:11:07,189
>> [snorts]

5473
04:11:07,189 --> 04:11:07,199
» [snorts]

5474
04:11:07,199 --> 04:11:09,910
>> And I guess that would lead me to, you

5475
04:11:09,910 --> 04:11:09,920
» And I guess that would lead me to, you

5476
04:11:09,920 --> 04:11:12,399
know, the one language that threw me off

5477
04:11:12,399 --> 04:11:16,080
is this part two eligibility that um it

5478
04:11:16,080 --> 04:11:18,560
starts by saying no application

5479
04:11:18,560 --> 04:11:20,560
requested for affordable housing shall

5480
04:11:20,560 --> 04:11:24,239
be considered or approved unless it

5481
04:11:24,239 --> 04:11:26,960
meets these eligibility requirements.

5482
04:11:26,960 --> 04:11:29,279
And then we have like, you know, three

5483
04:11:29,279 --> 04:11:31,840
pages of eligibility requirements, but

5484
04:11:31,840 --> 04:11:33,680
not [clears throat] every project

5485
04:11:33,680 --> 04:11:35,920
applies to each of those. It's it's it

5486
04:11:35,920 --> 04:11:38,479
and then some of those aren't even

5487
04:11:38,479 --> 04:11:40,720
requirements. They're things like we

5488
04:11:40,720 --> 04:11:43,279
would prefer that. And so I think that

5489
04:11:43,279 --> 04:11:46,640
language needs to be modified um to say

5490
04:11:46,640 --> 04:11:47,920
these are the things we're looking at.

5491
04:11:47,920 --> 04:11:49,199
But I don't I don't like that language

5492
04:11:49,199 --> 04:11:51,279
that says it will not be considered or

5493
04:11:51,279 --> 04:11:53,520
approved

5494
04:11:53,520 --> 04:11:56,080
and and maybe there are 10 things or

5495
04:11:56,080 --> 04:11:58,640
five things that we want in that sort of

5496
04:11:58,640 --> 04:12:00,800
category, but the rest I think there's a

5497
04:12:00,800 --> 04:12:03,199
mismatch here that we need to change

5498
04:12:03,199 --> 04:12:05,279
that language a little bit and have that

5499
04:12:05,279 --> 04:12:09,359
flexibility um to to consider a good

5500
04:12:09,359 --> 04:12:12,080
project because again, you know, one

5501
04:12:12,080 --> 04:12:15,600
thing, you know, um you know, again, I

5502
04:12:15,600 --> 04:12:17,520
can make up all sorts of things.

5503
04:12:17,520 --> 04:12:19,359
scenarios in which and and one of the

5504
04:12:19,359 --> 04:12:21,520
questions was about the flood plane, but

5505
04:12:21,520 --> 04:12:23,120
let's say there's a house in the Balkan

5506
04:12:23,120 --> 04:12:25,600
neighborhood that backs up,

5507
04:12:25,600 --> 04:12:26,800
you know, to

5508
04:12:26,800 --> 04:12:27,510
>> to

5509
04:12:27,510 --> 04:12:27,520
» to

5510
04:12:27,520 --> 04:12:29,990
>> the to Brook Creek. Does that mean if

5511
04:12:29,990 --> 04:12:30,000
» the to Brook Creek. Does that mean if

5512
04:12:30,000 --> 04:12:31,760
that person wants to give the house to

5513
04:12:31,760 --> 04:12:33,840
tenants to homeowners, but it has a

5514
04:12:33,840 --> 04:12:36,160
flood plane in its backyard, we can't

5515
04:12:36,160 --> 04:12:39,840
support that project because its

5516
04:12:39,840 --> 04:12:42,239
backyard backs up to Brook Creek? I mean

5517
04:12:42,239 --> 04:12:44,319
it seems to me that that is too

5518
04:12:44,319 --> 04:12:47,120
stringent to say no project that you

5519
04:12:47,120 --> 04:12:52,319
know um has you know again it's backyard

5520
04:12:52,319 --> 04:12:54,560
has a you know has some flood plane in

5521
04:12:54,560 --> 04:12:57,359
it that we can't do that. So I mean I

5522
04:12:57,359 --> 04:12:59,520
understand the point of you know trying

5523
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:01,760
to protect the flood plane but we have a

5524
04:13:01,760 --> 04:13:03,920
lot of um you know properties that have

5525
04:13:03,920 --> 04:13:06,319
a small portion of their backyard in the

5526
04:13:06,319 --> 04:13:08,080
flood plane and I I think some of those

5527
04:13:08,080 --> 04:13:11,120
are ones we might want to consider. Um

5528
04:13:11,120 --> 04:13:14,640
so again I think a little flexibility I

5529
04:13:14,640 --> 04:13:18,159
in how that we apply that um is the

5530
04:13:18,159 --> 04:13:21,199
other thing I would say. Um and finally

5531
04:13:21,199 --> 04:13:23,279
I would say I mean I I do think we want

5532
04:13:23,279 --> 04:13:25,680
to encourage you know three bedrooms. I

5533
04:13:25,680 --> 04:13:27,520
think if you if you know and when I talk

5534
04:13:27,520 --> 04:13:29,279
to schoolboard members of course they're

5535
04:13:29,279 --> 04:13:32,399
most interested in you know units that

5536
04:13:32,399 --> 04:13:34,319
bring kids. So they're they're

5537
04:13:34,319 --> 04:13:37,040
interested in you know um three-bedroom

5538
04:13:37,040 --> 04:13:41,120
units. they're interested in um you know

5539
04:13:41,120 --> 04:13:44,080
home ownership a and of course um

5540
04:13:44,080 --> 04:13:47,040
workforce housing. I mean again nothing

5541
04:13:47,040 --> 04:13:48,560
against the school board. Many of them

5542
04:13:48,560 --> 04:13:50,720
aren't as focused on where do college

5543
04:13:50,720 --> 04:13:53,520
students live or where seniors live.

5544
04:13:53,520 --> 04:13:56,319
That's not their two constituencies. But

5545
04:13:56,319 --> 04:13:58,000
we I think have to look at all those. We

5546
04:13:58,000 --> 04:13:59,359
have to look at where the seniors live.

5547
04:13:59,359 --> 04:14:00,960
We have to look at where college

5548
04:14:00,960 --> 04:14:03,279
students live in this town. And so I

5549
04:14:03,279 --> 04:14:05,040
certainly want to work with the school

5550
04:14:05,040 --> 04:14:07,520
board. Um but I do think we have to

5551
04:14:07,520 --> 04:14:10,640
balance those a little bit. Um but

5552
04:14:10,640 --> 04:14:12,239
generally I mean I think this is in the

5553
04:14:12,239 --> 04:14:13,920
right direction. I very much appreciate

5554
04:14:13,920 --> 04:14:16,560
the work on this. Like I said I started

5555
04:14:16,560 --> 04:14:17,920
looking at the one that hadn't been

5556
04:14:17,920 --> 04:14:20,399
changed [laughter] and then when I

5557
04:14:20,399 --> 04:14:22,159
looked at the one that did change once I

5558
04:14:22,159 --> 04:14:23,520
figured out that there was a second

5559
04:14:23,520 --> 04:14:26,720
redline version I was very happy to see

5560
04:14:26,720 --> 04:14:28,720
the work the clear work that's gone into

5561
04:14:28,720 --> 04:14:30,880
this to make it better and to consider

5562
04:14:30,880 --> 04:14:34,000
those balancing of of those areas. So, I

5563
04:14:34,000 --> 04:14:35,920
I I mean, I know a lot of work has been

5564
04:14:35,920 --> 04:14:37,840
in this, you know, I think we have some

5565
04:14:37,840 --> 04:14:39,120
work to go, but I think we're heading in

5566
04:14:39,120 --> 04:14:41,840
the right direction and um and I look

5567
04:14:41,840 --> 04:14:43,840
forward to seeing a few more revisions,

5568
04:14:43,840 --> 04:14:45,199
seeing this work through a little bit

5569
04:14:45,199 --> 04:14:46,800
and and bringing back some of those

5570
04:14:46,800 --> 04:14:48,319
other items.

5571
04:14:48,319 --> 04:14:49,920
Mayor, I may add that maybe for that

5572
04:14:49,920 --> 04:14:52,560
eligibility section that perhaps maybe

5573
04:14:52,560 --> 04:14:54,880
because we're dealing with different

5574
04:14:54,880 --> 04:14:58,080
things where there's RHID, IRB, NRA that

5575
04:14:58,080 --> 04:15:00,159
maybe that gets that we create maybe

5576
04:15:00,159 --> 04:15:02,560
like a matrix so that we can

5577
04:15:02,560 --> 04:15:04,229
>> see where there's maybe potential

5578
04:15:04,229 --> 04:15:04,239
» see where there's maybe potential

5579
04:15:04,239 --> 04:15:04,880
eligibility [clears throat]

5580
04:15:04,880 --> 04:15:06,640
overlays.

5581
04:15:06,640 --> 04:15:08,399
Um sound because I know there were some

5582
04:15:08,399 --> 04:15:10,319
things as far as you know the

5583
04:15:10,319 --> 04:15:12,000
accessibility piece the threebedroom

5584
04:15:12,000 --> 04:15:13,920
that those should be non-negotiables but

5585
04:15:13,920 --> 04:15:16,000
maybe for the additional aspects of that

5586
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:18,399
section maybe a matrix to kind of lay

5587
04:15:18,399 --> 04:15:20,640
those out if it's by if we're thinking

5588
04:15:20,640 --> 04:15:23,520
about that's for all

5589
04:15:23,520 --> 04:15:26,319
all projects or if it's specific to

5590
04:15:26,319 --> 04:15:27,760
different types of projects whether it's

5591
04:15:27,760 --> 04:15:30,080
IRB or so on and so forth. Yep.

5592
04:15:30,080 --> 04:15:33,830
>> Yes. I thought

5593
04:15:33,840 --> 04:15:37,600
» other comments, Leah, any

5594
04:15:37,600 --> 04:15:40,720
We threw a lot at you. Um,

5595
04:15:40,720 --> 04:15:42,710
>> anything you need more specific on at

5596
04:15:42,710 --> 04:15:42,720
» anything you need more specific on at

5597
04:15:42,720 --> 04:15:44,319
this point? I know there'll be a lot

5598
04:15:44,319 --> 04:15:46,239
more work being done, more public

5599
04:15:46,239 --> 04:15:50,159
comment and so forth, but

5600
04:15:50,159 --> 04:15:53,269
>> um yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, would you

5601
04:15:53,269 --> 04:15:53,279
» um yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, would you

5602
04:15:53,279 --> 04:15:56,000
mind if I just clarified um what I heard

5603
04:15:56,000 --> 04:15:59,040
the commission speak to this evening?

5604
04:15:59,040 --> 04:16:01,199
Um, okay. So, I hear that the commission

5605
04:16:01,199 --> 04:16:03,840
is generally interested in also having

5606
04:16:03,840 --> 04:16:06,800
the policy incentivize smaller scale and

5607
04:16:06,800 --> 04:16:09,040
homeownership opportunities in addition

5608
04:16:09,040 --> 04:16:10,640
to the larger multif family

5609
04:16:10,640 --> 04:16:13,026
developments. That's correct.

5610
04:16:13,026 --> 04:16:14,479
[clears throat] Um, does the commission

5611
04:16:14,479 --> 04:16:16,399
think the policy strikes a good balance

5612
04:16:16,399 --> 04:16:19,199
currently but uh with requiring the most

5613
04:16:19,199 --> 04:16:21,199
needed units? So when we talk about that

5614
04:16:21,199 --> 04:16:24,560
30% over low AMI accessible in family

5615
04:16:24,560 --> 04:16:29,680
units um does 20% uh seem like a good

5616
04:16:29,680 --> 04:16:31,359
balance

5617
04:16:31,359 --> 04:16:33,439
to move forward with? [clears throat]

5618
04:16:33,439 --> 04:16:34,790
>> Yeah, I think the the the way you

5619
04:16:34,790 --> 04:16:34,800
» Yeah, I think the the the way you

5620
04:16:34,800 --> 04:16:36,800
amended that in the second goround I

5621
04:16:36,800 --> 04:16:38,960
think that strikes the balance.

5622
04:16:38,960 --> 04:16:42,229
>> Okay. Um I may need additional clarity

5623
04:16:42,229 --> 04:16:42,239
» Okay. Um I may need additional clarity

5624
04:16:42,239 --> 04:16:46,000
on the uh period of affordability for uh

5625
04:16:46,000 --> 04:16:48,800
the second draft that we bring back. Um,

5626
04:16:48,800 --> 04:16:51,359
I've heard different commissioners um

5627
04:16:51,359 --> 04:16:53,600
say generally supportive of

5628
04:16:53,600 --> 04:16:55,600
affordability in perpetuity and some

5629
04:16:55,600 --> 04:16:58,080
hesitation. Um, I'm wondering if I could

5630
04:16:58,080 --> 04:17:00,080
perhaps get some additional clarity or

5631
04:17:00,080 --> 04:17:02,080
guidance on that so we can bring a draft

5632
04:17:02,080 --> 04:17:04,560
back that um is closer to what the

5633
04:17:04,560 --> 04:17:07,359
commission is interested in policy-wise.

5634
04:17:07,359 --> 04:17:09,990
>> Yeah. So my my only point I think was I

5635
04:17:09,990 --> 04:17:10,000
» Yeah. So my my only point I think was I

5636
04:17:10,000 --> 04:17:12,080
don't want to focus on the length or

5637
04:17:12,080 --> 04:17:14,880
term of something being 100 years when

5638
04:17:14,880 --> 04:17:17,279
the asset itself will be unlikely to

5639
04:17:17,279 --> 04:17:19,439
sustain that period of time. So for us

5640
04:17:19,439 --> 04:17:22,000
to get caught up in length of a term

5641
04:17:22,000 --> 04:17:25,439
that will not be attainable for me seems

5642
04:17:25,439 --> 04:17:27,680
um unreasonable thing to focus on. I'd

5643
04:17:27,680 --> 04:17:29,760
rather focus on things that we know will

5644
04:17:29,760 --> 04:17:33,279
occur 50 years more than likely. And you

5645
04:17:33,279 --> 04:17:35,040
know, if that's going to be something

5646
04:17:35,040 --> 04:17:37,520
that'll stop a project from happening,

5647
04:17:37,520 --> 04:17:39,600
um, I doubt because most developers

5648
04:17:39,600 --> 04:17:41,760
won't probably imagine the asset will

5649
04:17:41,760 --> 04:17:43,760
last 100 years to begin with, but and

5650
04:17:43,760 --> 04:17:45,120
they'll probably come anyway. But I just

5651
04:17:45,120 --> 04:17:46,479
want to make sure we aren't putting up a

5652
04:17:46,479 --> 04:17:48,640
roadblock, potential roadblock on a

5653
04:17:48,640 --> 04:17:50,479
length of time that's not even possible.

5654
04:17:50,479 --> 04:17:52,880
And so I just leave it at that.

5655
04:17:52,880 --> 04:17:54,950
>> Is that be So could it be more of

5656
04:17:54,950 --> 04:17:54,960
» Is that be So could it be more of

5657
04:17:54,960 --> 04:17:57,600
because the perpetuity comes in the the

5658
04:17:57,600 --> 04:18:00,239
land, not necessarily the asset. Mhm.

5659
04:18:00,239 --> 04:18:03,990
>> So it' be so to prioritize the 99% is

5660
04:18:03,990 --> 04:18:04,000
» So it' be so to prioritize the 99% is

5661
04:18:04,000 --> 04:18:06,720
not to prioritize the actual unit. It's

5662
04:18:06,720 --> 04:18:08,399
prioritizing that the land. That's

5663
04:18:08,399 --> 04:18:09,199
right. Okay.

5664
04:18:09,199 --> 04:18:10,389
>> And that's what I want. And then the

5665
04:18:10,389 --> 04:18:10,399
» And that's what I want. And then the

5666
04:18:10,399 --> 04:18:12,239
land could get rebuilt like just if you

5667
04:18:12,239 --> 04:18:14,080
tear down the old one and build new

5668
04:18:14,080 --> 04:18:15,520
affordable. That's what I would rather

5669
04:18:15,520 --> 04:18:16,319
have than

5670
04:18:16,319 --> 04:18:17,990
>> focus on the asset itself being

5671
04:18:17,990 --> 04:18:18,000
» focus on the asset itself being

5672
04:18:18,000 --> 04:18:21,040
maintained for 100 years versus

5673
04:18:21,040 --> 04:18:23,429
>> let's let's get 50 years out of it, redo

5674
04:18:23,429 --> 04:18:23,439
» let's let's get 50 years out of it, redo

5675
04:18:23,439 --> 04:18:25,760
it or you know re-rebuild with a new

5676
04:18:25,760 --> 04:18:27,600
version of what

5677
04:18:27,600 --> 04:18:28,229
>> okay

5678
04:18:28,229 --> 04:18:28,239
» okay

5679
04:18:28,239 --> 04:18:29,750
>> normal. Um,

5680
04:18:29,750 --> 04:18:29,760
» normal. Um,

5681
04:18:29,760 --> 04:18:31,590
>> okay. This time Randy turned his camera

5682
04:18:31,590 --> 04:18:31,600
» okay. This time Randy turned his camera

5683
04:18:31,600 --> 04:18:33,920
on, so he might have something to say.

5684
04:18:33,920 --> 04:18:35,750
>> Yeah. Uh, this is Randy Liy, deputy city

5685
04:18:35,750 --> 04:18:35,760
» Yeah. Uh, this is Randy Liy, deputy city

5686
04:18:35,760 --> 04:18:37,120
attorney. We have to be a little careful

5687
04:18:37,120 --> 04:18:39,359
regarding tying up land in perpetuity.

5688
04:18:39,359 --> 04:18:40,880
So, that's why we have typically set

5689
04:18:40,880 --> 04:18:43,600
them up at 99 years. We don't want to

5690
04:18:43,600 --> 04:18:46,080
keep something or tie it up. We might

5691
04:18:46,080 --> 04:18:48,800
run into problems regarding the legality

5692
04:18:48,800 --> 04:18:50,159
of such a thing. So, that's why we've

5693
04:18:50,159 --> 04:18:52,159
set things at 99 years, but it could be

5694
04:18:52,159 --> 04:18:53,439
something less than that. We don't like

5695
04:18:53,439 --> 04:18:55,920
to go beyond 99 years. Randy, can you

5696
04:18:55,920 --> 04:18:58,743
explain the rule against

5697
04:18:58,743 --> 04:19:00,239
[laughter] that? That I can't.

5698
04:19:00,239 --> 04:19:01,590
>> Just kidding. Just kidding. I have to go

5699
04:19:01,590 --> 04:19:01,600
» Just kidding. Just kidding. I have to go

5700
04:19:01,600 --> 04:19:03,120
back a long way back to law school, but

5701
04:19:03,120 --> 04:19:04,880
that's actually that's has to do with

5702
04:19:04,880 --> 04:19:06,800
wills and [laughter]

5703
04:19:06,800 --> 04:19:08,319
trusts and so it's a little bit

5704
04:19:08,319 --> 04:19:10,159
different, but at the same time, we

5705
04:19:10,159 --> 04:19:12,000
can't really tie up land for

5706
04:19:12,000 --> 04:19:12,469
>> gotcha.

5707
04:19:12,469 --> 04:19:12,479
» gotcha.

5708
04:19:12,479 --> 04:19:14,149
>> You know, a covenant or something like

5709
04:19:14,149 --> 04:19:14,159
» You know, a covenant or something like

5710
04:19:14,159 --> 04:19:16,399
that in perpetuity. We have to set some

5711
04:19:16,399 --> 04:19:17,840
type of limitation on it.

5712
04:19:17,840 --> 04:19:18,229
>> Yeah.

5713
04:19:18,229 --> 04:19:18,239
» Yeah.

5714
04:19:18,239 --> 04:19:21,030
>> So, we have done 99 years as no one will

5715
04:19:21,030 --> 04:19:21,040
» So, we have done 99 years as no one will

5716
04:19:21,040 --> 04:19:23,920
hear. will be alive in 99 years, but we

5717
04:19:23,920 --> 04:19:26,159
could make it 50 years. We could make it

5718
04:19:26,159 --> 04:19:27,840
whatever the commission says. We just

5719
04:19:27,840 --> 04:19:30,640
can't make it in perpetuity. It just has

5720
04:19:30,640 --> 04:19:33,600
to be some period of time. So it's not

5721
04:19:33,600 --> 04:19:35,760
tied up indefinitely.

5722
04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:37,670
>> Yeah. So like land donations could be

5723
04:19:37,670 --> 04:19:37,680
» Yeah. So like land donations could be

5724
04:19:37,680 --> 04:19:39,520
perpetuity, you know, whatever or 99

5725
04:19:39,520 --> 04:19:41,120
years. But I just mean I'd like to have

5726
04:19:41,120 --> 04:19:43,199
flexibility in how we apply those terms

5727
04:19:43,199 --> 04:19:45,520
if possible in a matrix even depending

5728
04:19:45,520 --> 04:19:46,560
on the

5729
04:19:46,560 --> 04:19:49,189
>> thing. I think Lee, I think we I mean I

5730
04:19:49,189 --> 04:19:49,199
» thing. I think Lee, I think we I mean I

5731
04:19:49,199 --> 04:19:51,359
think I think you're heading in the

5732
04:19:51,359 --> 04:19:52,720
right direction. Maybe just a little

5733
04:19:52,720 --> 04:19:56,560
more flexibility I think on the units,

5734
04:19:56,560 --> 04:20:01,600
you know, versus the land and maybe um

5735
04:20:01,600 --> 04:20:03,840
some of the, you know, land donations

5736
04:20:03,840 --> 04:20:06,640
for sure, you know, 99 years, but maybe

5737
04:20:06,640 --> 04:20:08,479
some flexibility on the on the low end

5738
04:20:08,479 --> 04:20:11,840
there. Um I I think is what we're kind

5739
04:20:11,840 --> 04:20:13,359
of looking for. I don't know. or just

5740
04:20:13,359 --> 04:20:15,760
the ability to have that option to wave

5741
04:20:15,760 --> 04:20:18,880
it from 99 to 50 or whatever we want to

5742
04:20:18,880 --> 04:20:19,680
do

5743
04:20:19,680 --> 04:20:20,950
>> if that's possible.

5744
04:20:20,950 --> 04:20:20,960
» if that's possible.

5745
04:20:20,960 --> 04:20:22,790
>> Yeah. And again, yeah, I guess that's

5746
04:20:22,790 --> 04:20:22,800
» Yeah. And again, yeah, I guess that's

5747
04:20:22,800 --> 04:20:25,439
what I maybe that's another way to put

5748
04:20:25,439 --> 04:20:26,880
it.

5749
04:20:26,880 --> 04:20:29,439
I I think the policy

5750
04:20:29,439 --> 04:20:31,920
I think we support the policy of 99 type

5751
04:20:31,920 --> 04:20:35,520
years, but we don't want to be so tied

5752
04:20:35,520 --> 04:20:37,439
in that we miss out on a great project

5753
04:20:37,439 --> 04:20:38,960
that we all think is a great project

5754
04:20:38,960 --> 04:20:43,199
because it's 50 years, you know. Um and

5755
04:20:43,199 --> 04:20:45,439
and so giving us a little bit of

5756
04:20:45,439 --> 04:20:47,680
flexibility there.

5757
04:20:47,680 --> 04:20:48,389
>> Exactly.

5758
04:20:48,389 --> 04:20:48,399
» Exactly.

5759
04:20:48,399 --> 04:20:51,030
>> That's helpful. Thank you. Um and if I

5760
04:20:51,030 --> 04:20:51,040
» That's helpful. Thank you. Um and if I

5761
04:20:51,040 --> 04:20:53,359
could just ask one additional clarifying

5762
04:20:53,359 --> 04:20:56,000
question. I did not hear discussion on

5763
04:20:56,000 --> 04:20:57,840
um commission's interest in exploring

5764
04:20:57,840 --> 04:21:00,319
additional land use or expediated review

5765
04:21:00,319 --> 04:21:03,429
processes.

5766
04:21:03,439 --> 04:21:06,080
» Well, I um we didn't talk I mean a few

5767
04:21:06,080 --> 04:21:07,840
people mentioned that. I would say I

5768
04:21:07,840 --> 04:21:09,439
think under the new development code

5769
04:21:09,439 --> 04:21:11,520
we've we've put a lot of things into

5770
04:21:11,520 --> 04:21:15,199
place that um as far as density and

5771
04:21:15,199 --> 04:21:17,120
density bonuses and allowed a lot more

5772
04:21:17,120 --> 04:21:20,880
density. [clears throat] Um I am and

5773
04:21:20,880 --> 04:21:23,040
some of those were not yet even seen

5774
04:21:23,040 --> 04:21:25,279
getting used yet. So I'm not sure

5775
04:21:25,279 --> 04:21:27,439
personally I want to dive into changing

5776
04:21:27,439 --> 04:21:30,239
some of the the code and you know the

5777
04:21:30,239 --> 04:21:31,840
development density side of the code

5778
04:21:31,840 --> 04:21:34,560
until we see how some of it works.

5779
04:21:34,560 --> 04:21:38,399
However, the permitting side and the and

5780
04:21:38,399 --> 04:21:40,720
the procedure side I I mean I might be

5781
04:21:40,720 --> 04:21:43,439
open to and Commissioner Cos mentioned

5782
04:21:43,439 --> 04:21:46,479
the the pre-esigned pre-approved design

5783
04:21:46,479 --> 04:21:49,840
you know that Oland Park has done and

5784
04:21:49,840 --> 04:21:52,319
you know I could you know see where that

5785
04:21:52,319 --> 04:21:54,319
could be a benefit with you know

5786
04:21:54,319 --> 04:21:55,600
especially like the housing authority

5787
04:21:55,600 --> 04:21:57,680
intends for homeowners you know coming

5788
04:21:57,680 --> 04:21:59,840
up with a design they you know agree on

5789
04:21:59,840 --> 04:22:02,080
and you know we're going to build this

5790
04:22:02,080 --> 04:22:04,080
one we're going to build it [snorts] you

5791
04:22:04,080 --> 04:22:05,840
or those, you know, four designs and and

5792
04:22:05,840 --> 04:22:08,880
and these, you know, get pre-approved. I

5793
04:22:08,880 --> 04:22:10,640
like that idea. So, that kind of process

5794
04:22:10,640 --> 04:22:13,600
certainly I'm supportive of.

5795
04:22:13,600 --> 04:22:15,520
And again, I'm I'm not opposed to a

5796
04:22:15,520 --> 04:22:18,479
density bonus or whatever, but I don't

5797
04:22:18,479 --> 04:22:19,680
think that's where we need to spend our

5798
04:22:19,680 --> 04:22:22,479
time at this stage because we have a

5799
04:22:22,479 --> 04:22:26,159
code that we're still working through.

5800
04:22:26,159 --> 04:22:28,000
I mean, Leah, for what it's worth, I

5801
04:22:28,000 --> 04:22:30,159
didn't bring it up tonight, and I mean,

5802
04:22:30,159 --> 04:22:33,040
we can talk about it more with as we

5803
04:22:33,040 --> 04:22:34,560
navigate more with the land development

5804
04:22:34,560 --> 04:22:37,279
code. I mean, I am interested in us

5805
04:22:37,279 --> 04:22:39,680
exploring how to expand those, you know,

5806
04:22:39,680 --> 04:22:44,479
expand or lean into byite approvals. Um,

5807
04:22:44,479 --> 04:22:47,279
but I I don't want to shock the system

5808
04:22:47,279 --> 04:22:49,040
right now, but [laughter]

5809
04:22:49,040 --> 04:22:51,920
perhaps [snorts] we can ease into that

5810
04:22:51,920 --> 04:22:54,546
once we get another iteration of this.

5811
04:22:54,546 --> 04:22:54,630
>> [snorts]

5812
04:22:54,630 --> 04:22:54,640
» [snorts]

5813
04:22:54,640 --> 04:22:56,309
>> and I've softened some people up.

5814
04:22:56,309 --> 04:22:56,319
» and I've softened some people up.

5815
04:22:56,319 --> 04:22:58,950
>> That's where I'm at, too.

5816
04:22:58,950 --> 04:22:58,960
» That's where I'm at, too.

5817
04:22:58,960 --> 04:23:01,750
>> Okay. Any other questions, Leo? Any

5818
04:23:01,750 --> 04:23:01,760
» Okay. Any other questions, Leo? Any

5819
04:23:01,760 --> 04:23:03,279
other comments people want to make here

5820
04:23:03,279 --> 04:23:05,359
before we close this? And look forward

5821
04:23:05,359 --> 04:23:07,680
to the continued work.

5822
04:23:07,680 --> 04:23:09,760
Thank you. And I know the whole Ahab

5823
04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:11,040
committee has been working hard on this

5824
04:23:11,040 --> 04:23:12,560
and then you know the folks who have

5825
04:23:12,560 --> 04:23:14,720
been been weighing in. Appreciate that.

5826
04:23:14,720 --> 04:23:18,560
So, okay. Thank you.

5827
04:23:18,560 --> 04:23:21,600
Okay. Let's jump here towards the end of

5828
04:23:21,600 --> 04:23:23,760
the agenda here. That brings us to

5829
04:23:23,760 --> 04:23:26,880
commission items um and reviewing the

5830
04:23:26,880 --> 04:23:30,960
future agenda. Um I do have a commission

5831
04:23:30,960 --> 04:23:33,040
item I want to talk a little bit about

5832
04:23:33,040 --> 04:23:37,439
um which is the city manager search um

5833
04:23:37,439 --> 04:23:41,120
and I have talked to SG

5834
04:23:41,120 --> 04:23:44,880
um and and moving ahead. Our consultant

5835
04:23:44,880 --> 04:23:48,159
is going to be um his name is Doug

5836
04:23:48,159 --> 04:23:52,479
Thomas. Um Clay who is here um um on

5837
04:23:52,479 --> 04:23:54,960
behalf of SGR is is not going to delete

5838
04:23:54,960 --> 04:23:56,479
it. It's going to be Doug Thomas. Doug

5839
04:23:56,479 --> 04:24:01,199
is um a 35 year um city manager in

5840
04:24:01,199 --> 04:24:03,322
Maryland, Michigan, and Florida. Worked

5841
04:24:03,322 --> 04:24:05,600
[snorts] mostly in university

5842
04:24:05,600 --> 04:24:07,040
communities. He's going to send me his

5843
04:24:07,040 --> 04:24:08,720
resume and I'll send it out to all of

5844
04:24:08,720 --> 04:24:11,359
you um so you don't have to remember all

5845
04:24:11,359 --> 04:24:12,880
this. But his last location was

5846
04:24:12,880 --> 04:24:15,199
Lakeland, Florida, a town of about

5847
04:24:15,199 --> 04:24:16,800
125,000.

5848
04:24:16,800 --> 04:24:19,040
He has been leading, he's been at SGL

5849
04:24:19,040 --> 04:24:21,680
for 10 years doing recruitment, priority

5850
04:24:21,680 --> 04:24:24,000
based budgeting, best management

5851
04:24:24,000 --> 04:24:26,319
practices, as well as um you know,

5852
04:24:26,319 --> 04:24:28,000
working with communities. He is

5853
04:24:28,000 --> 04:24:31,920
currently leading the city of Waco's um

5854
04:24:31,920 --> 04:24:34,159
search. He's there right now down to

5855
04:24:34,159 --> 04:24:36,319
their four finalists in Waco. He's done

5856
04:24:36,319 --> 04:24:39,040
a lot of work in Leach um and a lot of

5857
04:24:39,040 --> 04:24:40,560
other university towns. he's often

5858
04:24:40,560 --> 04:24:42,479
assigned to university towns given his

5859
04:24:42,479 --> 04:24:47,760
background. Um so um the next steps and

5860
04:24:47,760 --> 04:24:49,359
what what we need to start thinking

5861
04:24:49,359 --> 04:24:52,319
about is you know the next step as we've

5862
04:24:52,319 --> 04:24:54,560
talked about will be kind of the

5863
04:24:54,560 --> 04:24:58,399
position profile process and Doug will

5864
04:24:58,399 --> 04:25:00,239
come here for you know probably three

5865
04:25:00,239 --> 04:25:02,159
days. He'll meet with all of us

5866
04:25:02,159 --> 04:25:04,720
individually. He'll meet with senior

5867
04:25:04,720 --> 04:25:08,800
staff and department heads. Um do a 360.

5868
04:25:08,800 --> 04:25:11,359
Um and then he's going to meet with

5869
04:25:11,359 --> 04:25:13,040
basically whoever we tell him to meet

5870
04:25:13,040 --> 04:25:16,080
with or ask him to meet with. And so we

5871
04:25:16,080 --> 04:25:18,080
all need to be thinking about who we

5872
04:25:18,080 --> 04:25:20,880
want him to meet with. Um you know, be

5873
04:25:20,880 --> 04:25:24,399
it you know, whoever um members of the

5874
04:25:24,399 --> 04:25:27,279
community, county, school board,

5875
04:25:27,279 --> 04:25:31,439
chamber, KU, land, whoever that is. Um,

5876
04:25:31,439 --> 04:25:33,120
I'm going to be asking each of you to

5877
04:25:33,120 --> 04:25:35,359
give me three or four people we think

5878
04:25:35,359 --> 04:25:37,279
you should meet with. So, be thinking

5879
04:25:37,279 --> 04:25:40,880
about that. Um, and then we need to be

5880
04:25:40,880 --> 04:25:44,640
thinking about as what do we want, you

5881
04:25:44,640 --> 04:25:46,399
know, this is up to us, what we want the

5882
04:25:46,399 --> 04:25:48,720
process to be. You know, he said in some

5883
04:25:48,720 --> 04:25:51,199
towns he hosts a town hall meeting.

5884
04:25:51,199 --> 04:25:54,080
Well, he stands up and lets the town

5885
04:25:54,080 --> 04:25:57,359
come in. Um, obviously they can do a

5886
04:25:57,359 --> 04:26:00,640
survey for us where we we pay them extra

5887
04:26:00,640 --> 04:26:03,600
to do a survey, but he said, you know,

5888
04:26:03,600 --> 04:26:05,359
towns like ours, we have a survey

5889
04:26:05,359 --> 04:26:07,840
process. So, he could also, for

5890
04:26:07,840 --> 04:26:10,000
basically no extra charge, work with us

5891
04:26:10,000 --> 04:26:11,840
to come up with questions and we issue

5892
04:26:11,840 --> 04:26:14,560
the survey and get the information back.

5893
04:26:14,560 --> 04:26:18,560
Um, and anything else someone thinks he

5894
04:26:18,560 --> 04:26:20,960
should do to create that position

5895
04:26:20,960 --> 04:26:23,760
profile and process. Um and you know

5896
04:26:23,760 --> 04:26:26,000
that would then you know help him come

5897
04:26:26,000 --> 04:26:28,319
up with a position description, a

5898
04:26:28,319 --> 04:26:31,520
brochure, candidate attributes, ideal

5899
04:26:31,520 --> 04:26:33,600
candidate, that sort of thing. And then

5900
04:26:33,600 --> 04:26:36,399
we move on and you know talk about ads

5901
04:26:36,399 --> 04:26:38,399
and ad placements, launch the job search

5902
04:26:38,399 --> 04:26:40,560
and you know we can talk about the later

5903
04:26:40,560 --> 04:26:46,159
process. Um, so, um, I guess what I want

5904
04:26:46,159 --> 04:26:49,040
you guys to start thinking about, um,

5905
04:26:49,040 --> 04:26:51,279
I'll send send an email out to you with

5906
04:26:51,279 --> 04:26:54,640
his information and, um, then you'll

5907
04:26:54,640 --> 04:26:56,399
each be able to talk to him if you have

5908
04:26:56,399 --> 04:26:57,760
something to say like, I think you

5909
04:26:57,760 --> 04:26:59,439
should do this. This is the information

5910
04:26:59,439 --> 04:27:03,040
I want to be part of this process and

5911
04:27:03,040 --> 04:27:05,359
we'll get going. Um, you know, as he

5912
04:27:05,359 --> 04:27:07,760
said to me, he's our consultant. um you

5913
04:27:07,760 --> 04:27:10,239
know and he's working for the five of us

5914
04:27:10,239 --> 04:27:12,720
and and you know some of that might be

5915
04:27:12,720 --> 04:27:14,159
in a big meeting but some of that will

5916
04:27:14,159 --> 04:27:16,000
just be one-on-one and he'll work to to

5917
04:27:16,000 --> 04:27:18,000
try to get the information you need to

5918
04:27:18,000 --> 04:27:20,479
make your best decision. Um but the one

5919
04:27:20,479 --> 04:27:23,600
thing I I will be asking for in the next

5920
04:27:23,600 --> 04:27:25,840
week or two will be who do you think he

5921
04:27:25,840 --> 04:27:27,760
should meet with while he's here so we

5922
04:27:27,760 --> 04:27:30,960
can get those scheduled while he's here

5923
04:27:30,960 --> 04:27:32,720
um and then find times for him to meet

5924
04:27:32,720 --> 04:27:35,120
with each of us. Obviously, if those

5925
04:27:35,120 --> 04:27:36,960
three days don't work, he can do Zoom

5926
04:27:36,960 --> 04:27:38,880
meetings. He can, you know, whatever if

5927
04:27:38,880 --> 04:27:41,680
they don't line up with everything. But

5928
04:27:41,680 --> 04:27:43,279
anyway, that's the process. We're going

5929
04:27:43,279 --> 04:27:46,560
to um um again get some more

5930
04:27:46,560 --> 04:27:48,319
information. We'll email that out about

5931
04:27:48,319 --> 04:27:49,520
what you guys start thinking about that

5932
04:27:49,520 --> 04:27:51,040
so we can get the get the project

5933
04:27:51,040 --> 04:27:51,760
running.

5934
04:27:51,760 --> 04:27:53,910
>> As in a town as unopinionated as ours,

5935
04:27:53,910 --> 04:27:53,920
» As in a town as unopinionated as ours,

5936
04:27:53,920 --> 04:27:56,159
is he going to be bored? [laughter]

5937
04:27:56,159 --> 04:27:57,910
>> He said he's worked in a few university

5938
04:27:57,910 --> 04:27:57,920
» He said he's worked in a few university

5939
04:27:57,920 --> 04:28:00,319
towns and so he's he's he's he's ready

5940
04:28:00,319 --> 04:28:04,399
for the for the conversation. Um and so

5941
04:28:04,399 --> 04:28:07,520
and so that's kind of the next steps

5942
04:28:07,520 --> 04:28:10,159
there and so look for that and hopefully

5943
04:28:10,159 --> 04:28:11,920
you know in the next few weeks we'll be

5944
04:28:11,920 --> 04:28:14,319
scheduling those dates to to get the the

5945
04:28:14,319 --> 04:28:16,880
process going.

5946
04:28:16,880 --> 04:28:21,590
Okay, other commission items.

5947
04:28:21,600 --> 04:28:26,080
» Um I I'm going to come in. I'm just I'm

5948
04:28:26,080 --> 04:28:27,600
this is the third meeting where I've

5949
04:28:27,600 --> 04:28:30,000
been like I really have things to say

5950
04:28:30,000 --> 04:28:32,640
but it's late and after yesterday I

5951
04:28:32,640 --> 04:28:35,040
don't want to drag our staff any longer.

5952
04:28:35,040 --> 04:28:38,720
But I do want staff to know that um I

5953
04:28:38,720 --> 04:28:40,479
will advocate for any support that you

5954
04:28:40,479 --> 04:28:43,199
guys need in regards to yesterday.

5955
04:28:43,199 --> 04:28:44,630
>> Yes.

5956
04:28:44,630 --> 04:28:44,640
» Yes.

5957
04:28:44,640 --> 04:28:46,720
Um, I'm going to make it real real quick

5958
04:28:46,720 --> 04:28:49,520
about anything that we bring forward the

5959
04:28:49,520 --> 04:28:52,399
especially the affordable housing um

5960
04:28:52,399 --> 04:28:55,359
incentive plan.

5961
04:28:55,359 --> 04:29:00,000
I'm a numbers person. So, just an FYI, I

5962
04:29:00,000 --> 04:29:01,840
like modeling. I know I like knowing

5963
04:29:01,840 --> 04:29:03,760
what the effect of the community or of

5964
04:29:03,760 --> 04:29:07,600
our of our budget, etc. debt load. Um,

5965
04:29:07,600 --> 04:29:10,080
so any policy moving forward right now,

5966
04:29:10,080 --> 04:29:12,960
obviously, we're real high level. Um,

5967
04:29:12,960 --> 04:29:14,560
but with the affordable housing, I'm

5968
04:29:14,560 --> 04:29:15,680
really interested in seeing some

5969
04:29:15,680 --> 04:29:17,439
modeling on how these incentives are

5970
04:29:17,439 --> 04:29:20,640
going to work. Um,

5971
04:29:20,640 --> 04:29:24,800
and then I think actually for staff, I

5972
04:29:24,800 --> 04:29:28,399
had requested an update on

5973
04:29:28,399 --> 04:29:31,600
uh we're doing a project on 27th over by

5974
04:29:31,600 --> 04:29:33,279
Mallisters

5975
04:29:33,279 --> 04:29:35,920
and we had that road opened up less than

5976
04:29:35,920 --> 04:29:37,760
a year ago. So, I was just hoping I

5977
04:29:37,760 --> 04:29:39,600
could get some updates. I've had a few

5978
04:29:39,600 --> 04:29:41,439
calls from that. Other than that, thank

5979
04:29:41,439 --> 04:29:44,000
you guys um for [clears throat]

5980
04:29:44,000 --> 04:29:48,239
everything that you do staff-wise and uh

5981
04:29:48,239 --> 04:29:49,199
that's it.

5982
04:29:49,199 --> 04:29:51,429
>> Excellent. Yeah.

5983
04:29:51,429 --> 04:29:51,439
» Excellent. Yeah.

5984
04:29:51,439 --> 04:29:52,469
>> I mean, yeah, if we're going down the

5985
04:29:52,469 --> 04:29:52,479
» I mean, yeah, if we're going down the

5986
04:29:52,479 --> 04:29:54,239
line, yeah, I mean, I would echo that

5987
04:29:54,239 --> 04:29:58,000
for staff that, you know,

5988
04:29:58,000 --> 04:30:01,040
uh, me mental health is health and if

5989
04:30:01,040 --> 04:30:04,560
people have experienced trauma, it's

5990
04:30:04,560 --> 04:30:08,239
very important to use the EAP here to be

5991
04:30:08,239 --> 04:30:09,680
able to find people who can help with

5992
04:30:09,680 --> 04:30:11,120
that. And it may not be something that

5993
04:30:11,120 --> 04:30:13,520
pops up right away, but if that is

5994
04:30:13,520 --> 04:30:15,120
something that comes up over time or if

5995
04:30:15,120 --> 04:30:17,840
you're having anxiety or panic attacks,

5996
04:30:17,840 --> 04:30:19,520
you know, please use the resources that

5997
04:30:19,520 --> 04:30:20,960
we have to talk about that your mental

5998
04:30:20,960 --> 04:30:22,560
health is as important as your physical

5999
04:30:22,560 --> 04:30:24,239
health. So, I would just want to add

6000
04:30:24,239 --> 04:30:26,159
that. The [snorts] only other thing here

6001
04:30:26,159 --> 04:30:28,319
for the future stuff would be I would

6002
04:30:28,319 --> 04:30:30,399
like to know each month at the end of

6003
04:30:30,399 --> 04:30:33,680
the month what the the memberships look

6004
04:30:33,680 --> 04:30:35,600
like at the rec centers, what that looks

6005
04:30:35,600 --> 04:30:38,000
like, what the uptake is. Um, that's

6006
04:30:38,000 --> 04:30:39,680
something we do via via email. It's

6007
04:30:39,680 --> 04:30:40,960
something we could talk about here, but

6008
04:30:40,960 --> 04:30:42,239
I would just would like to know those

6009
04:30:42,239 --> 04:30:44,399
numbers going forward.

6010
04:30:44,399 --> 04:30:47,670
>> Absolutely agree with that.

6011
04:30:47,670 --> 04:30:47,680
» Absolutely agree with that.

6012
04:30:47,680 --> 04:30:49,040
Commission of future.

6013
04:30:49,040 --> 04:30:50,550
>> Just to add on to that, I had somebody

6014
04:30:50,550 --> 04:30:50,560
» Just to add on to that, I had somebody

6015
04:30:50,560 --> 04:30:52,319
telling me that they were concerned

6016
04:30:52,319 --> 04:30:55,920
about how hard it was to use our website

6017
04:30:55,920 --> 04:31:00,720
to apply for the permit. Just say it

6018
04:31:00,720 --> 04:31:02,239
took them 20 or 30 minutes. So, if we

6019
04:31:02,239 --> 04:31:03,680
could streamline that process to collect

6020
04:31:03,680 --> 04:31:05,439
the fees, I don't know if that's true or

6021
04:31:05,439 --> 04:31:06,800
not, but that's something I was told. It

6022
04:31:06,800 --> 04:31:10,080
took a little longer paid to

6023
04:31:10,080 --> 04:31:11,110
>> just to buy one

6024
04:31:11,110 --> 04:31:11,120
» just to buy one

6025
04:31:11,120 --> 04:31:13,030
>> to to buy a pass. Yeah. I mean, just

6026
04:31:13,030 --> 04:31:13,040
» to to buy a pass. Yeah. I mean, just

6027
04:31:13,040 --> 04:31:13,840
leave it that. Yeah.

6028
04:31:13,840 --> 04:31:15,830
>> Is it going through track? Is it

6029
04:31:15,830 --> 04:31:15,840
» Is it going through track? Is it

6030
04:31:15,840 --> 04:31:17,349
>> I don't know. They're using it. It's

6031
04:31:17,349 --> 04:31:17,359
» I don't know. They're using it. It's

6032
04:31:17,359 --> 04:31:19,040
through our regular parks and recck

6033
04:31:19,040 --> 04:31:19,439
service.

6034
04:31:19,439 --> 04:31:21,110
>> Yeah. So, it's Rec Track. Yes. It isn't

6035
04:31:21,110 --> 04:31:21,120
» Yeah. So, it's Rec Track. Yes. It isn't

6036
04:31:21,120 --> 04:31:22,960
the most userfriendly.

6037
04:31:22,960 --> 04:31:25,189
>> I don't know if that's a one-off or user

6038
04:31:25,189 --> 04:31:25,199
» I don't know if that's a one-off or user

6039
04:31:25,199 --> 04:31:26,880
error. I'm just pointing out that maybe

6040
04:31:26,880 --> 04:31:29,520
it is not set up for multiple high

6041
04:31:29,520 --> 04:31:32,720
volume transactions and perhaps um that

6042
04:31:32,720 --> 04:31:34,399
might be the problem. But just wanted to

6043
04:31:34,399 --> 04:31:35,680
bring that up. That's something somebody

6044
04:31:35,680 --> 04:31:37,199
brought up. So,

6045
04:31:37,199 --> 04:31:39,750
>> okay.

6046
04:31:39,750 --> 04:31:39,760
» okay.

6047
04:31:39,760 --> 04:31:42,159
Okay. If nothing else, uh we have one

6048
04:31:42,159 --> 04:31:43,760
item on the city manager's report.

6049
04:31:43,760 --> 04:31:46,630
>> Yeah. The only item is we uh rarely but

6050
04:31:46,630 --> 04:31:46,640
» Yeah. The only item is we uh rarely but

6051
04:31:46,640 --> 04:31:48,720
occasionally have emergency repair. This

6052
04:31:48,720 --> 04:31:52,239
was the case uh we had um a major um

6053
04:31:52,239 --> 04:31:54,880
break in pump station. Had to uh fix it

6054
04:31:54,880 --> 04:31:58,880
immediately. Um so we by policy make

6055
04:31:58,880 --> 04:32:01,040
sure to report that publicly and make

6056
04:32:01,040 --> 04:32:03,199
sure that you're aware of it. And that's

6057
04:32:03,199 --> 04:32:05,040
what we did here.

6058
04:32:05,040 --> 04:32:06,560
Yeah. So, just follow up on that. Since

6059
04:32:06,560 --> 04:32:08,000
that was in my neighborhood, there were

6060
04:32:08,000 --> 04:32:09,600
a lot of people who communicated with me

6061
04:32:09,600 --> 04:32:11,439
to say

6062
04:32:11,439 --> 04:32:12,960
we could do better with communication of

6063
04:32:12,960 --> 04:32:14,399
what that looked like. People, you know,

6064
04:32:14,399 --> 04:32:16,000
all of a sudden there was a, you know,

6065
04:32:16,000 --> 04:32:17,359
break in the road, there was a pipe over

6066
04:32:17,359 --> 04:32:19,439
it, there was egress issues coming out

6067
04:32:19,439 --> 04:32:22,080
of it, and

6068
04:32:22,080 --> 04:32:24,239
I don't know exactly how we communicated

6069
04:32:24,239 --> 04:32:25,680
to people, but there was definitely an

6070
04:32:25,680 --> 04:32:28,159
understanding that this was broken. They

6071
04:32:28,159 --> 04:32:30,080
didn't have an idea when the ETA was,

6072
04:32:30,080 --> 04:32:32,960
what this would look like. Just passing

6073
04:32:32,960 --> 04:32:36,848
that along going forward.

6074
04:32:36,848 --> 04:32:38,239
[snorts]

6075
04:32:38,239 --> 04:32:40,790
>> Okay. Um, see manager report is a public

6076
04:32:40,790 --> 04:32:40,800
» Okay. Um, see manager report is a public

6077
04:32:40,800 --> 04:32:42,800
hearing item. Any member of the public

6078
04:32:42,800 --> 04:32:45,279
like to make a comment on the city

6079
04:32:45,279 --> 04:32:47,600
manager's report

6080
04:32:47,600 --> 04:32:48,560
online?

6081
04:32:48,560 --> 04:32:50,149
>> No, mayor.

6082
04:32:50,149 --> 04:32:50,159
» No, mayor.

6083
04:32:50,159 --> 04:32:53,750
>> Uh, calendar items.

6084
04:32:53,750 --> 04:32:53,760
» Uh, calendar items.

6085
04:32:53,760 --> 04:32:57,359
Um, any comments on the on the calendar?

6086
04:32:57,359 --> 04:32:59,920
There is the legislative breakfast on

6087
04:32:59,920 --> 04:33:02,479
Friday um for the chamber and then end

6088
04:33:02,479 --> 04:33:04,000
of the [laughter]

6089
04:33:04,000 --> 04:33:05,600
end of the month is the chamber annual

6090
04:33:05,600 --> 04:33:08,000
meeting.

6091
04:33:08,000 --> 04:33:11,109
Um

6092
04:33:11,119 --> 04:33:14,869
any other

6093
04:33:14,879 --> 04:33:16,561
Craig, we have the hold on the city

6094
04:33:16,561 --> 04:33:19,279
commission retreat on the 5th and 6th.

6095
04:33:19,279 --> 04:33:21,600
We have an update on the Should we keep

6096
04:33:21,600 --> 04:33:23,680
holding those dates or do we should?

6097
04:33:23,680 --> 04:33:25,429
>> Yes, that's what we have scheduled.

6098
04:33:25,429 --> 04:33:25,439
» Yes, that's what we have scheduled.

6099
04:33:25,439 --> 04:33:27,439
Okay. I'll update the invites.

6100
04:33:27,439 --> 04:33:29,269
>> Yeah. So, it's more than a hold at this

6101
04:33:29,269 --> 04:33:29,279
» Yeah. So, it's more than a hold at this

6102
04:33:29,279 --> 04:33:30,160
point. It's a

6103
04:33:30,160 --> 04:33:30,629
>> Okay.

6104
04:33:30,629 --> 04:33:30,639
» Okay.

6105
04:33:30,639 --> 04:33:32,629
>> Well, I just heard from Nancy today just

6106
04:33:32,629 --> 04:33:32,639
» Well, I just heard from Nancy today just

6107
04:33:32,639 --> 04:33:34,160
confirming she wanted to make sure we

6108
04:33:34,160 --> 04:33:36,879
had the location at BTBC as well. So,

6109
04:33:36,879 --> 04:33:37,920
we're just trying to coordinate

6110
04:33:37,920 --> 04:33:39,920
locations. Yeah. We'll get it updated.

6111
04:33:39,920 --> 04:33:41,510
>> Yeah. And if if it I mean, I don't know

6112
04:33:41,510 --> 04:33:41,520
» Yeah. And if if it I mean, I don't know

6113
04:33:41,520 --> 04:33:43,119
if it's both the full days or if it's

6114
04:33:43,119 --> 04:33:45,039
half one half day, full day, whatever.

6115
04:33:45,039 --> 04:33:46,561
Just Yeah. Update that and get that out

6116
04:33:46,561 --> 04:33:48,000
and we get that on our calendar.

6117
04:33:48,000 --> 04:33:50,551
>> Yes. By the end of the week, I'll have

6118
04:33:50,551 --> 04:33:50,561
» Yes. By the end of the week, I'll have

6119
04:33:50,561 --> 04:33:52,160
that updated. Is that good?

6120
04:33:52,160 --> 04:33:52,949
>> Oh, [clears throat] that's fine.

6121
04:33:52,949 --> 04:33:52,959
» Oh, [clears throat] that's fine.

6122
04:33:52,959 --> 04:33:53,269
>> Yes.

6123
04:33:53,269 --> 04:33:53,279
» Yes.

6124
04:33:53,279 --> 04:33:56,879
>> Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.