[0:03] I'm going to call the meeting tonight to
order February 9th, 2026. If you could
[0:08] all please stand for the invocation by
Pastor
[0:13] Butler from the Wings of Deliverance
Church.
[0:18] Amen. Praise the Lord.
First of all, I want to say thank you.
[0:25] We thank you, Lord, for your goodness,
your grace, and your mercy. We thank you
[0:30] for the things that you've already done.
We bless your name for what we see going
[0:35] on in this city, the new buildings and
whatever else um is trying to be done in
[0:41] this city. We ask you Lord God tonight
to remember this city council that you
[0:46] would bless them to always keep your
people in their minds and in their
[0:52] hearts to make the right choices to give
the right votes for whatever is needed
[0:58] here. God, we ask that you would con
help to conduct this meeting tonight uh
[1:04] in an orderly fashion that people that
need to speak will be able to share and
[1:11] give clarity to whatever the needs are
for this city. We look to you and God, I
[1:16] want to say thank you tonight for being
able to see Councilwoman uh Duprey. I
[1:23] thank you for how you've touched her
body and raised her back up. And I pray
[1:28] for every family that's represented here
on the city council as well as those who
[1:33] are attending here tonight that if there
is any sick among them, any problems,
[1:38] any situations that you will work those
things out. Let everything be done
[1:43] decent and in order and pleasing in your
sight. We pray. Amen.
[1:49] » Amen.
>> Standing for the pledge of allegiance. I
[1:54] pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[2:00] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[2:06] justice for all.
>> Please be seated.
[2:10] » Lisa, does she have the remote for the
>> Pardon me?
[2:15] » She had the remote for the TV. Turn the
volume down.
[2:18] » Super Bowl sound effect.
>> Yeah, it's the reverb.
[2:24] Okay. So, I'm going to go into um or no
roll call first, please.
[2:29] » Certainly.
[2:32] » Council persons Bear
>> here.
[2:34] » Dup pre
>> here.
[2:36] » Nicholls
>> here.
[2:37] » Ross Salceto
>> here.
[2:40] » Zor
>> here.
[2:41] » And Mayor Tobin
>> here. Um I'm going to start with saying
[2:45] that um Councilwoman Ross isn't here
tonight. She's with her husband who had
[2:49] a procedure today. So, if we could all
keep her in our thoughts and prayers,
[2:52] her family. Um, and um, first off, I'm
going to start if we could um, remember
[3:00] Charles Charlie Kaminsky and his family.
Um, he lost his wife this past week,
[3:05] Pamela. They've been um, very involved
in the community for many, many years.
[3:11] Um, so just keep the family in your
thoughts and prayers. We also lost um,
[3:16] Rick Malusa. Um you can
>> M busas.
[3:21] » Thank you. Um the former owner of
Flappers. Um he's a very wonderful man,
[3:26] friend to all. Um everyone loved the
establishment when he was an owner. Um
[3:33] so keep his family in his your thoughts
and prayers. And also former sist
[3:44] » that you know I'm bad with names. um he
has also passed away. So, we're asking
[3:48] you keep his family and friends in your
prayers and thoughts. Also, um I want to
[3:54] address some things that happened last
week um about our water bills. There was
[4:00] an article on channel 4 um that was a
little overstated that um interviewed a
[4:09] residents about the water bill. Um,
I just want to say that I I reached out
[4:16] and I gave a response to Channel 4 and
the reporter completely ignored the
[4:22] response I gave. Um, everyone sitting up
here, every council member, myself,
[4:28] department head, um, we all care greatly
about what's happening with the water
[4:34] bills, with the water situations, and we
are doing everything as digital
[4:38] diligently as possible and safely to
move things forward and to get this
[4:44] corrected. Um, we wouldn't be sitting
here if we did not care. Um, the news
[4:49] reporter interviewed a city resident.
Um, I have all her water bills right
[4:54] here since 2021.
Um, what she stated in her interview
[4:59] about her water bills being $300, $350
and that we are lying and we are ripping
[5:05] people off. Her water bills are
consistently the same and she has never
[5:11] had a $300 or $350 water bill. We went
through and looked at everything. Um, I
[5:18] called her and spoke with her. She's
just very upset. She's um a nice enough
[5:24] lady. I've known the family for over 30
years. I don't know why she did what she
[5:29] did, but um she averages 11.2 units of
water on every bill. Um from 2021,
[5:38] she's had a couple bigger bills, she's
had a couple smaller bills, but every
[5:42] bill and her amount, her usage matches
the cost of the water at the time the
[5:49] bill was sent out. So, there's nothing
funny going on with our billing. We have
[5:54] some issues with our meters.
Um, they are at their end of the at the
[6:00] end of their life.
We are doing everything we can to
[6:04] correct that. If you are a resident and
you get at a bill that is abnormal,
[6:10] we're asking you to please contact us.
Contact our water department. We will
[6:16] send one of our DPS workers out to look
at your meters. If it's an estimated
[6:22] bill, they will look at your meter and
compare to what the estimate is. We will
[6:27] adjust your bill to match the usage on
your meter. We are in the process of
[6:32] replacing every meter in the city.
That's over 14,000 meters. With these
[6:39] meters, you will be able to have an app
on your phone to download to check your
[6:45] water usage. If you get a leak in your
house, it will detect the leak for you.
[6:51] You will be able to track everything.
Um,
[6:56] some of the reasons the meters are not
reading correctly right now. Um, they're
[7:00] at their end of their life. The
batteries are going, we can't get
[7:04] replacement batteries. If we're lucky
enough to get them, it can be 3 to 6
[7:08] months for us to get a battery to
replace that meter or that battery, if
[7:12] we can even get it. If it's overcast, if
it's raining, we can't get an actual
[7:19] read from your meter. So, you're going
to get an estimate read. The estimate
[7:23] reads go back
>> 2 years or more and average your bill
[7:29] for all those bills for those that
period of time. So two years ago, you
[7:34] could have six people in your house and
you're down to one right now. It doesn't
[7:38] matter. They're going to estimate all
the people and all the water usage for
[7:43] that period of time and that's what your
bill is going to read. So please, if
[7:48] that happens to you, come to us so we
can investigate it. We want to help. We
[7:53] don't want anybody to have a bill or
have to pay for more than what they are
[7:58] actually using. And we're very concerned
about it. And that's why we are going
[8:02] and putting in all the new meters to try
to rectify this situation. Um, this is
[8:08] something that can't be done overnight.
We need your cooperations. We need your
[8:12] patience. Um,
it's just a a an issue that we have to
[8:19] all deal with. So, I'm asking for you to
understand what's happening and please
[8:24] come to us and work with us because we
want to help. um accusing, complaining,
[8:31] um
the inaccuracies and saying all this
[8:35] stuff on social media that is not going
to help fix your water bill. What's
[8:41] going to help fix your water bill is
coming to us and let us letting us
[8:46] investigate it. We have great people in
our water department. Our DPS water
[8:52] staff are really good. They will come
out. They will investigate it. You can
[8:58] get a print out of your water usage.
It'll show where you when you're using
[9:03] your water, when you're not using your
water. It'll show spikes. Um,
[9:07] everybody's says, "I don't have a leak."
I'm going to tell you, I said the same
[9:12] thing and found a silent leak in my
house that was corrected and my water
[9:17] usage went back to normal. Um,
look forward to the new app, to the new
[9:24] water meters. We want to get this done
quickly. So when you get the letter and
[9:29] they give you the dates that you can do
it, please respond and work with them.
[9:34] We are replacing water manes. We are
replacing water lines. We are redoing
[9:39] our pump stations and our basins. We put
$35 million into the system last year to
[9:45] try to correct and lower our water loss.
Tonight, hopefully this council will
[9:52] approve us hiring a water detection
company to help us find this massive
[9:59] water loss we have. I am setting up
waiting for the date of an appointment
[10:05] with Wayne County Executive in Gleewa to
help us find the water loss. We are
[10:11] actually doing what everything we can.
Lisa, the DPS department, we're all
[10:17] working to fix this problem. We are not
pushing it under the lo rug. We are not
[10:23] not as concerned as you are. We want it
fixed just as much as you do. So, please
[10:28] reach out to us. Don't complain about it
and talk and act like we're we don't
[10:34] care. Come to us. Let us help, please.
Um, so with that being said,
[10:43] we are also audited,
highly audited on the financial end of
[10:49] everything in the city, especially with
the water. The audits all come back
[10:53] good. There is no money missing. There
is no money going someplace it shouldn't
[10:57] be. The accounts, like the water
accounts, cannot be used for anything
[11:01] else in the city. So, when you're out
there saying that we're ripping you off,
[11:07] there's no possible way we can be
ripping you off. Everything is accounted
[11:10] for and the audits are are done and we
pass all of them. So, please put a
[11:16] little trust and faith in this council
and our department heads, our finance
[11:22] department, and know that we are working
to correct this.
[11:26] The infrastructure is old, the water
meters are old, everything is being done
[11:31] to get us back on track um as quickly,
as safely, and as responsibly as we
[11:38] possibly can. So, with that being said,
I'm going to move on. Um the next thing
[11:45] up is um we had a chocolate walk on
Saturday. It [snorts] was 13° outside.
[11:51] It was very, very cold. We had 30
businesses that signed up to be in the
[11:55] chocolate walk. I'm going to name them
because they did a wonderful job.
[12:00] There's a park restaurant, Shaw Callers,
Labama Supermarket, Tazid Cafe, Lincoln
[12:07] Park Grill, Lincoln Park Historical
Museum, MPC Financial, Lincoln Park
[12:12] Nutrition, Plaza Antiques, St. Michael's
Church, Detroit Salsa Company, Mystery
[12:17] Escapes, Nina's Niche, Theresa's Jewelry
Workshop, ANR Music, Macaffy's Bar and
[12:23] Grill, A-Sided, K&M Law, Celebrity
Silver, Chesley's Bar, Caperee Chicken,
[12:30] First Baptist Church, Feed Right Pep
Supply, Hair Saloon, Classic Barberh
[12:35] Shop, Exotic Smoke Shop, Furniture Land,
Motor City Graphics, Leer Park Smokers,
[12:41] and Calers Dairy, and Lob Flowers. hours
was not in the walk because they're not
[12:46] open on Saturday afternoons, but they
were kind enough to bring a gift to
[12:50] enter into the raffle also.
>> So, um 52 people came out, 42 people
[12:56] finished the walk. It was wonderful.
They uh they got a lot of candy, let me
[13:01] tell you. It was really good. So, right
now, we're going to start. We're going
[13:06] to pull the raffle. This right here is
the adult raffle. This is the child's
[13:10] raffle. This right here is for the first
person that finished the raft the walk.
[13:15] And this goes to Mike Corvath. He was
the first one to finish the [applause]
[13:18] walk.
[13:23] » Here you go, sir.
>> Yes. You're still in the raffle.
[13:27] [laughter]
>> Yes. Your number one finishing.
[13:30] » Yes. SO, [applause]
[13:36] UM, Kerry here is going to pull the
child's winner.
[13:41] » Shake it up good.
[13:46] Okay. And the winner of the child
basket, which is worth over $400, is
[13:52] Kelseer
Timuro.
[13:56] So, he is the winner. I will call him
and let him know. And Lisa is going to
[14:02] pull our adult winner.
All right. And the winner of our adult
[14:07] basket, which holds $980 in gift cards,
>> um a 50-in TV, sweet diamond earrings, a
[14:17] silver bracelet with a heart, a 1944
precious moment cookie jar.
[14:22] » Wow.
>> Some t-shirts, and a bunch of other
[14:24] things. So now, aren't you guys sad you
didn't do the chocolate walk? [laughter]
[14:29] And our winner of the adult basket who
is here tonight
[14:36] » is Joanne WHEAT
[applause]
[14:42] EVERYBODY. We're thinking of doing
another walk later in the year maybe
[14:46] around Halloween. So stay tuned and uh
we'll see what we can do.
[14:51] » She's not here.
>> I thought I saw her walk in.
[14:56] » She was behind me.
>> No. No. I haven't seen her. I haven't
[14:59] seen her tonight.
>> Okay. Well, we'll get her get it to her.
[15:02] Okay.
>> Pop in though.
[15:03] » All right. [laughter]
>> So, that was a lot of fun even though it
[15:07] was 13°. I give everybody credit. You're
all winners in my book. Um, so next we
[15:13] have um save the date of May 2nd. We're
going to be doing a new festival here in
[15:17] Lincoln Park. It's a take off of an old
festival, Everything Everyone Lincoln
[15:21] Park Festival. We are going to be
covering all the heritages in Lincoln
[15:25] Park. It should be a really great event.
And now I would like to introduce Miss
[15:30] Clifford from the Wayne County Treasury
Office, um, Compass Strategy. She's
[15:36] going to talk a little about our taxes
and how to get help if you need it.
[15:40] Welcome.
>> Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks so
[15:43] much. Um, good evening everyone. Um, my
name is Anita. I am the assistant deputy
[15:48] treasurer for forfeite and foreclosure
for Wayne County. Um, serving at the
[15:52] pleasure of Mr. Eric Sabri. Um,
fortunately we are 50 days away from the
[15:57] deadline for foreclosures. So if a
person a taxpayer is not paid by March 3
[16:02] first on April 1st, technically their
property is sent over to the county and
[16:06] foreclosed. Um, we are offering several
payment plans as long as well as a
[16:13] distress owner occupant plan. um if a
person um has paid up up until 2022 but
[16:20] need assistance for the 2023 taxes, they
can enter into that um program if
[16:26] they're distressed occupant owner. Um we
also have a program for um the reduced
[16:32] interest program for all the other home
owners who are looking to stay in their
[16:36] property as well. Um we in addition to
those programs we recently started our
[16:41] homes for generation program which is
helping um heirs of property stay in the
[16:46] property and keep the family wealth
continuing.
[16:50] Um and I have folders for all the
council members as well. Um we have any
[16:55] questions?
[16:58] » Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you so Thank you so
[17:01] very much.
[17:08] Thank you very much.
Oh, you broke all the pockets.
[17:14] [laughter] I need to glue them. Thank
you.
[17:16] » I think that's the first time it's ever
happened. I don't think
[17:19] » No, it's not.
>> Thank you so much. I appreciate this so
[17:22] much. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Anita.
[17:25] » Thank you very much.
[17:29] » Okay, so now we're going to move on. I'm
going to do an appointment to the safety
[17:35] commission. A mayoral appointment to
[17:42] Okay. So,
it's the public safety commission
[17:47] appointment. Is he here?
>> Mhm.
[17:51] » Joseph, would you come up, please?
>> I'll swear a minute after.
[17:55] » Okay.
>> Just read that and then I'll swear a
[17:57] minute.
>> I'm going to stand and read this cuz
[17:59] it's okay. Hi sir, how are you?
>> Can I take one of those? [laughter]
[18:05] » We all want to take one of those. So,
um, I hereby appoint Joseph Lorenzo. Say
[18:13] it right. Loreno.
>> Loreno to the public safety commission
[18:16] for a term to expire 12:3031.
>> Okay.
[18:21] » Okay. I'm going to go ahead and swear
you in. So, if you raise your right
[18:23] hand, please. I, Joseph Loreno, do
solemnly swear that I will support the
[18:27] Constitution of the United States and
the Constitution of this state and that
[18:30] I will faithfully perform the duties of
the office of public safety commissioner
[18:34] in and for the city of Lincoln Park
according to the best of my abilities.
[18:37] So help me God. Thank you. You could
just SIGN
[18:43] [applause]
[18:49] over [laughter] the stuff.
>> Former firefighter Mor. Yes,
[18:57] you know
[19:00] » that's your dad.
>> That's a big
[19:04] love.
>> Yeah. He looks familiar sitting out
[19:08] there.
[19:16] » Is that one?
>> Yeah. He's still putting that thing on.
[19:22] If I get dead out there and then it's
dead. [laughter]
[19:26] » And that sounds just like him actually.
All right. So now we're going to move on
[19:31] to the consent agenda.
Resolved. A approved minutes regular
[19:36] meeting January 26, 2026. Approve
accounts and claims payable. Attend
[19:41] training FD. The training.
>> Why is that?
[19:45] » There's two trainings. Attend training
FD renew local franchise agreement
[19:50] direct TV.
>> So move
[19:53] » support. Cler call the roll.
>> Council persons Duprey.
[19:57] » Yes.
>> Salceto.
[19:58] » Yes.
>> Bear.
[20:00] » Yes.
>> Nicholls.
[20:01] » Yes.
>> Zor.
[20:02] » Yes.
>> And Mayor Tobin.
[20:03] » Yes.
>> Thank you. [clears throat]
[20:05] » We're going to go to the action items.
A. Approve deficit.
[20:11] » Uh thank you mayor. So we have two
deficit elimination plans that we are
[20:16] required to file um in 2023 our
information technology fund and from two
[20:22] 2024 our water and sewer fund. So
because we did not bring in enough
[20:27] revenue to cover the expenses we entered
into a deficit situation and we are
[20:32] required to file deficit elimination
plans until the deficit from that year
[20:36] is fully eliminated. Um, based on
projections, the information technology
[20:42] fund should come fully out of the
deficit this current fiscal year and the
[20:46] water and sewer fund is a little bit
further out. Um, a lot of variable
[20:51] factors there. We talked about the water
and sewer fund a lot in relation to um,
[20:55] water billing as well, our water loss.
Those are all things that contribute to
[21:00] the deficit in the fund. Um, so I am
looking for approval on the information
[21:05] technology deficit elimination and the
water and sewer. And I just did want to
[21:09] mention one other thing that these are
just preliminary projections looking
[21:13] into the future. So of course there's so
many things that can happen between now
[21:17] and even the end of the current fiscal
year. So these are all projections based
[21:21] on our estimates of volume sales, volume
purchases, and um, so it's it's all a
[21:28] moving target that we're shooting for.
Resolve that the mayor and council
[21:32] approve the deficit elimination plan for
the information technology fund as
[21:36] attached to the fiscal year ending 0630
2025
[21:41] » move support
>> any discussion
[21:45] call the role
>> council persons Nichols yes Ross
[21:49] » I'm sorry
>> yes
[21:50] » dup pre
>> yes
[21:52] » yes zor
>> yes
[21:54] » and
>> yes
[21:55] » sorry
>> um next we'll go on to leak detect Nope.
[22:01] Wait a minute. There's another one.
>> Sorry. It's two resolutions under one
[22:04] cover letter.
>> Yeah.
[22:06] » You want me to read it?
>> Resolve that the mayor and council
[22:09] approved the deficit elimination plan
for the water and sewer fund as attached
[22:13] for the fiscal year ending 6:30 2025.
>> Move
[22:20] discussion
>> to the chair.
[22:23] » Okay.
I I do have discussion on the water, but
[22:27] I was going to wait till the next item
on the agenda.
[22:31] » Well, then you have to wait till we
discuss we get there to discuss it.
[22:35] » Okay. It's they're all related, but
that's okay. We'll we'll we'll get
[22:39] there.
>> Okay. All right.
[22:41] » Thank you.
>> Anyone else?
[22:43] » Clerk, call the role.
>> Council persons Nichols, yes. Dupra,
[22:46] » yes.
>> Bear,
[22:47] » yes.
>> Salceto, yes. Zor,
[22:51] » I'm going to say no at this time.
>> Okay. And Mayor Tobin.
[22:54] » Yes.
[22:58] » Okay. So, next we're going to the leak
detection.
[23:03] » Hey, so tonight we are seeking approval
for leak detection services through
[23:07] Alpha Penion Company. Um, as you know,
we've been dealing with over 40% water
[23:13] loss for a few years now. Um, we do have
an inside crew that has been looking for
[23:17] leaks within the system. We have found
some, but we do feel that it's um, it
[23:23] would be very beneficial to the city to
bring in an outside company that can
[23:27] work with us to look for larger leaks
that we're not able to pick up with our
[23:30] equipment. Um, and an additional thing
that this company will do is work with
[23:35] our current employees and do some
additional training for them, work with
[23:39] them on ways that they can look for
leaks going forward. Um, the Nashian
[23:44] company and I hope I'm saying that
right. Um, is very well known in the
[23:49] industry. They've done a lot of work.
They actually have done some work for us
[23:53] in the past as well, but they do work
for Gleewa become highly recommended by
[23:57] them. Um, as you may recall, we've
talked about the article regarding
[24:01] Romulus. They did their leak dete
detection as well. So, this is just
[24:05] another piece of the puzzle that we're
looking for um in relation to changing
[24:09] all the meters that's going to help our
water loss, but this is um very
[24:13] important and crucial for the city. They
are able to start in March um if council
[24:18] approves it and it'll take approximately
3 months and Eric from Venesian Company
[24:23] is here tonight to answer any questions
that you may have as well.
[24:28] » Okay. Resolve that the mayor and council
authorize Alfred Bach and company to
[24:34] perform leak detection services
throughout the city for a cost not to
[24:38] exceed $119,500
from account 592-920-81800
[24:47] move
>> support
[24:49] » discussion
first of all m Eric can you please
[24:54] explain your process on what you're
going to do for the city.
[25:03] » Please.
[25:10] » Uh, good evening everyone. Can you hear
me?
[25:13] » Good evening.
>> Um, my name is Eric Tucker and I'm with
[25:16] Alfred Benish and Company. And uh to
councilman's uh uh question as to our
[25:22] approach and what we're going to be
doing for the city, uh Benish has done
[25:27] water audits, leak detections for
many almost all of the communities in at
[25:33] some point throughout southeast
Michigan. Um the city we've noticed, we
[25:38] actually met with the uh the city uh
officials here um you know uh um uh city
[25:44] manager Lisa Griggs as well as uh
director uh Kosu and the city has taken
[25:51] some phenomenal steps towards shoring up
both their apparent and real losses. So
[25:58] in our discussions I kind of uh was able
to ascertain some things that would be
[26:02] helpful in the process and it sounds
like with leak leak detection I mean
[26:06] with uh water losses on the order of 40
or even more uh percent water loss it's
[26:12] highly unlikely that these um this total
loss is due just to the apparent losses
[26:19] or your cash res your your retail meters
that you're collecting. So I do think
[26:24] that you do have a problem with physical
loss in your system. Um I know that the
[26:30] city has made some strides in terms of
procuring your own leak detection uh
[26:34] equipment which you know I you know that
is uh to be commended. Um but what I've
[26:39] learned in this business and we've been
doing it a really long time.
[26:44] Leak detection is is less of a science
and more of an art. We've been doing it
[26:49] for over 25 years now. leak detection.
So, our uh experienced uh leak detection
[26:56] specialists and technicians um they go
through uh a varied approach. They know
[27:02] what to look for, you know, during the
investigation. They do everything from
[27:07] checking the surroundings, getting
visual cues for what is what is
[27:11] happening and then also understanding
what the equipment is telling you and
[27:15] also what it's not telling you. It's
more than just reading the acoustics and
[27:21] the vibrations and the time that it
sends a signal through and forgive me if
[27:25] uh if some of this is but the council
may be a little bit familiar.
[27:28] » I understand you you're okay.
>> Yes. Okay. And so um
[27:32] » so what we what we do is we we have a
way of converging uh on leaks through
[27:39] our process. So it's almost a process of
elimination to find out and to make sure
[27:44] that we also make sure that there's
repeatability in terms of the integrity
[27:48] of the sound the the signal to noise
ratio in order to ensure that this is
[27:53] the spot. Uh dur in our in our uh uh
marketing materials we often say that uh
[27:59] we can pretty much get you within uh
within 10 ft. In actualities, we we tend
[28:05] to do a lot [laughter] a lot better than
that. Uh so that it actually can
[28:10] minimize the amount of uh um uh
restoration and replacement time uh for
[28:16] the city, especially if you have limited
forces and you throughout your DPS
[28:20] department to have to uh make those
repairs. Um, so what we want to do in is
[28:26] sort of to kind of piggyback off of uh
what you guys have already started down
[28:31] the way and and and again I give kudos
to having a a dedicated uh league
[28:37] detection crew in place, but it's going
to take um uh some repetitions um uh to
[28:43] do that. We we'll show them techniques
and strategies that we found that have
[28:48] worked for us and have proven a very
high success rate. Uh and it's most most
[28:54] communities call us after they've
exhausted a lot of other things because
[28:58] they know including the city of Detroit
when and they have leak detection. We've
[29:03] also gone to other communities that have
leak detection equipment and it's still
[29:07] sitting in the box because they realize
that it's it's more than a notion to
[29:12] just buy it and then it and it and it uh
does it. We help to find the blind leaks
[29:18] often times where uh leaks aren't
surfacing uh or often times you know you
[29:24] complaints aren't coming in due to drops
in pressure. finding those blind leaks
[29:29] are are are really helpful because
sometimes there could be cat it could be
[29:33] pending catastrophic failure if they're
you know if water is spewing out and
[29:38] it's eroding the surrounding soils
underneath paved roads structures uh
[29:45] that can cause great collapse. We've
saved our clients a great deal of money.
[29:52] Uh, usually our services are just a
fraction of what it is that you guys are
[29:57] probably paying in loss loss water
revenue when you purchase from GLWA, but
[30:04] aren't necessarily able to recoup that
on the other end from the your uh your
[30:09] retail customers. So that delta it it
sums up to to your water loss whether
[30:15] that's through mechanical failures
within your existing water meters or in
[30:20] physical loss through your
infrastructure and piping. Sometimes
[30:24] leaks they migrate and get right into
the sewer system. They they go on for
[30:28] like that for years and no one will ever
know. So uh I like that you guys are one
[30:35] getting new meters. the meters are able
to have they have a detection system in
[30:40] place to be able because that's as the
mayor uh mentioned toilets running and
[30:45] sometimes you don't even notice it and
it just kind of goes silent for for a
[30:49] long time. This is uh no now that's
actually you know that's not water loss
[30:53] cuz you're capturing in it but it's the
same s same type of um theory but it
[30:59] when it happens in your distribution
system you don't get a chance to
[31:02] recapture that uh that revenue. So, uh,
I know that was a long long roundabout
[31:08] question answer, but hopefully that
encompassed some of what you wanted.
[31:11] Councilman,
>> basically though, you're just an
[31:13] acoustic.
You only are doing this acoustically.
[31:18] Correct.
>> That is correct.
[31:19] » You're You're not doing infrared. You're
not
[31:21] » N.
>> You're not doing sonar.
[31:24] » N
>> just acoustic.
[31:25] » Yes. Yes. And
>> same thing that our guys are doing,
[31:29] John. Correct. 35 hours a week.
So uh even you know you and again you've
[31:36] done your homework on this uh the
acoustic and the infrareds often times
[31:41] there's flyovers and things like that
they can do create sort of like heat
[31:44] maps to kind of give uh some some
lushness in terms of the density of
[31:48] where it is but at the end of the day
even with those methodologies there's
[31:53] still the the process of correlation and
pinpointing that is still
[31:58] » required and that is the component that
We have developed some expertise
[32:05] uh in in that in that way and um and
through triangulation and and again
[32:11] converging on uh on that in order to u
shorten the spans where we're able to to
[32:17] essentially pinpoint where that leak is
going to be.
[32:19] » How many guys do you have when they're
um
[32:22] » we typically work with a crew of of two
people for safety uh for safety reasons.
[32:28] Um, you know, again, sometimes you're
working in some of the colder weathers.
[32:32] You could be slip and fall hazards. I
don't want anybody falling in storm
[32:37] drains and and things like that. So, we
typically work uh in a crew of two uh
[32:42] for that. So, thank you.
>> So, the chair, if you don't mind, do you
[32:47] have a question?
>> So, your your equipment compared to our
[32:50] equipment, what's the difference? I
actually uh mayor I have not seen uh or
[32:56] or know what type of equipment that the
city of Lincoln Park uh currently has.
[33:01] Um I haven't I haven't seen I've
inquired and we've asked that should uh
[33:06] council and the city grant us an
opportunity that would be one of the
[33:09] first things in the in the kickoff
meeting uh to uh that we would that we
[33:13] would ask us to turn over that
information so we can see how they can
[33:16] best utilize it
>> equipment that we already have. Mhm.
[33:20] » And I mean it would be a different
aspect. Why would we hire you if we have
[33:27] the equipment? Maybe we would just hire
your guys to use our equipment. I mean,
[33:31] it would kind of be silly to to you to
hire you and your equipment when
[33:36] [snorts] we already have the equipment
and you guys are the experts. Why would
[33:40] we
>> you know what I'm saying? I
[33:43] » I think I think I get what I think I get
what you're saying. equipment
[33:47] guys are better trained and more
knowledgeable.
[33:50] » I'm not sure I'm not sure if we have the
same equipment. So that would be kind of
[33:53] onehanded after after the other. So what
>> the appro the approach that we've kind
[33:58] of uh proposed uh to the city as it
relates to that is again
[34:04] » we you know we don't assume to be expert
in that type of uh the equipment that
[34:10] you may have. We have mastered ours and
we have multiple uh uh you know uh
[34:16] different different uh correlation
equipment. So what we what I I proposed
[34:21] this is you know what this will give an
opportunity for we go through and we use
[34:26] our equipment and then when we come up
with it they can they can corroborate
[34:32] and using using the city's equipment and
see there may be a difference in hertz
[34:37] and frequencies in terms of things like
that. I don't know their outstations in
[34:41] terms of uh uh the pods that they that
they use, what type of contacts they are
[34:46] for transmission of signal. Again, I
would need to uh to see that, but for us
[34:52] to to do it, my team would definitely
want to use our equipment.
[34:56] » John, do you know what kind of equipment
we have?
[35:00] So, sewerin
uh we got the device
[35:04] I want to say back in 20
20.
[35:10] Uh so it's a couple years old. Um
[35:18] sorry I'm not that loud. Uh yeah, we got
like a device. Um the the big sales
[35:23] pitch for the device we had was the um
we had used it to locate a a leak on
[35:29] Lune Avenue um that was going right into
a a catch basin. So at least for our
[35:36] equipment we know it's it's proven
useful at some point in time. Um it's
[35:40] just a matter of a lot of finetuning. Um
like these guys have probably have done
[35:45] it a lot a lot more than I have a lot
more than our guys have. Um I mean just
[35:51] a mix with water main brakes and all
that other stuff. I don't mean to take
[35:54] too much time but you know we we
>> is about 5 years old now.
[35:57] » Yeah. Yep.
>> Thank you.
[36:03] » I um and I and I you know what and this
actually is probably uh the fact that
[36:09] you have an an independent source of and
type of equipment. it may actually offer
[36:15] uh a higher level of confidence
uh for the city in terms of you know uh
[36:23] making the repair at that location if
you know a completely different set of
[36:28] equipment says oh no it is here and they
may be off one or two feet but that's
[36:34] still one excavator bucket uh apart
there's a greater level of confidence
[36:38] that when you send a crew you dispatch a
crew there for a repair uh you get that
[36:43] and then they get the hang of uh of uh
what they're going to be doing um you
[36:48] know in parallel with us.
>> Thank you.
[36:53] » Your your honor, my question was almost
going to be yours. You said you met with
[36:56] the [clears throat] city manager and the
DPS director, but you never saw our
[36:59] equipment. That's what you're telling
us. You never saw our equipment. You
[37:02] only know if our equipment is better
than your equipment. That right?
[37:04] » Well, it just said I'm just saying that
was my question already answered it. So,
[37:09] thank you very much, your honor. I have
no more questions. Yep.
[37:12] » To to to the chair.
>> I have one.
[37:16] » Um would you would this be able to help
us determine our water loss that our
[37:22] water main breaks are producing that may
be independent of like you said blind
[37:28] loss or structural loss?
>> Uh well no it's you know and again this
[37:34] is acoustic. It's not uh an infrared, so
it's not going to give you any any
[37:39] indication of the wall thickness where
you know any predictive failure of uh
[37:46] water manes or anything anything like
that. The equipment doesn't do that.
[37:50] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Anybody else?
[37:54] » Um
no, I'll just save it. I'll save I would
[37:59] like to make a comment though before the
vote. Is that possible? I'll
[38:02] » make it now. the um personally I
I I think I thought we were going to be
[38:10] a more of a collaborative effort to come
up with um efforts to resolve the issues
[38:18] of the water loss.
>> Um
[38:21] » that's that's their job. That's their
job, not our job. They bring it what
[38:26] they decide. They bring what they think
is the best venue to us and we make the
[38:31] decision to go for it or not. It's a
only I can fix it. I got it. Okay.
[38:37] » No, that's okay.
>> I just I want to say one additional item
[38:43] is that we did consult with an outside
engineer um who holds our S1 license and
[38:49] we did discuss some of these other
alternate technologies that could be
[38:52] used and there's been some success but
also some failures that they're finding
[38:57] with them as well. So that's why we felt
this was the best route to go.
[39:03] » Anyone else?
Okay. We saw the mayor and council
[39:06] authorized Alfred Bach and company to
form leak detection services throughout
[39:10] the city for a cost not to exceed 19,500
from account 592 920
[39:17] 81800
0.
[39:19] » I have a mover and supporter.
>> You have it.
[39:22] » Yep.
>> I did read that.
[39:23] » You did.
>> Cler call the role.
[39:25] » Council persons Nichols.
>> Yes.
[39:27] » Duprey. Yes.
>> Bear.
[39:29] » Yes.
>> Salceto.
[39:30] » No.
>> Zor.
[39:31] » No.
>> Mayor Tobin.
[39:33] » Yes.
[39:37] » Okay. Moving on. Resolve the resolution
2026-019
[39:43] regarding ballot language for proposed
charter amendment to renew the current
[39:47] police and fire millillage be and is
hereby rescended.
[39:51] » Move. Support.
>> Discussion.
[39:57] color.
>> Council persons Nichols,
[39:59] » yes.
>> Bear,
[40:00] » yes.
>> Duprey,
[40:01] » yes.
>> Salceto,
[40:02] » yes.
>> Zor,
[40:04] » yes.
>> And Mayor Tobin,
[40:06] » yes.
>> Thank you.
[40:08] » Resolve that notice is hereby given that
a proposed charter amendment regarding a
[40:12] millage renewal be submitted to the
to the electors of the city of Lincoln
[40:17] Park at the primary election to be held
Tuesday, August 4th, 2026. Further be it
[40:22] resolved that send notice states
how both this charter presently reads
[40:28] and the proposal charter amendment
language.
[40:32] [cough]
Excuse me.
[40:34] Notice the proposed charter amendment
number one charter 7 section 5 renewal
[40:40] police and fire millillage.
[40:44] » Go ahead.
>> The ballot question is as follows. It is
[40:48] proposed that the city of Lincoln Park
be authorized to continue to levy 3.4591
[40:53] mil in excess of the limitation imposed
by law, restoring a portion of the
[40:57] charter millage authorization previously
approved by the electors since reduced
[41:02] by the Headley amendment solely for
police and fire purposes for three
[41:06] additional years 2026 through 2029. If
approved, the millage renewal would
[41:11] generate approximately 2,747,921
[41:17] in 2027. Shall the proposed charter
amendment millage renewal be approved.
[41:22] Now, therefore, be it resolved by a
35ths vote of the city council of
[41:27] Lincoln Park that ch section five of
chapter 7 of the city charter be
[41:31] amended. The city has determined that if
this amendment is approved, it will
[41:35] become effective pursuant to Michigan
Compiled Law 117.24
[41:41] when filed with the county clerk and the
secretary of state. Chapter 7, section 5
[41:45] of the city charter. The existing
charter reads, "Authorize a tax of not
[41:49] to exceed 3.4591
mills for 3 years 2023 through 2026
[41:55] solely for police and fire purposes."
The proposed charter amendment will
[42:00] read, "Authorize a renewal of the
millillage not to exceed 3.4591
[42:05] mills for 3 years 2026 through 2029
solely for police and fire purposes.
[42:12] » Any discussion?
>> We need a mover.
[42:14] » I'll move.
>> Any discussion?
[42:18] » Cler call the role.
>> Council person Salceto,
[42:21] » yes.
>> Nichols,
[42:22] » yes.
>> Bayer,
[42:23] » yes.
>> Dupra,
[42:24] » yes.
>> Zor,
[42:26] » yes. and Mayor Tobin.
>> Yes. Moving on. Extend contract
[42:32] sidewalk. Mr. Kazoo.
[42:40] Good evening, mayor and council and
audience. The item before you is Katie
[42:44] Cement LLC is uh they're the company
that does our sidewalk replacement
[42:50] program
and they've offered to extend their 20
[42:54] excuse me they offered to extend their
2022
[42:58] low red unit rates for the 2026 sidewalk
program. Right now the 4-in sidewalk is
[43:05] 1125 per square foot. The 6 in is uh
1250 per square foot. This extension
[43:11] allows the city to continue the program
without increased costs typically
[43:15] associated with uh uh rebidding
financial impact. The sidewalk program
[43:20] is funded through capital improvement
funds and with cost subsequently
[43:25] invoiced to the individual homeowners
address where the work is uh completed.
[43:30] Maintaining the current unit rates helps
control the program cost and limits
[43:35] financial impact to the residents.
recommendation is to uh uh accept the
[43:40] offer by Katie Cement and attaches a
resolution to that effect. It resolved
[43:46] that the mayor and city council approve
the Great Lakes contracting
[43:51] KD
mayor and council approved KD cements
[43:56] contract extension for the 2026 side
repair program for the 20 at the 2022
[44:02] unit rates with program cost funded
through capital improvement funds and
[44:06] invoice to the individual property where
the work is completed. move.
[44:14] » Any discussion
to the chair?
[44:18] » That was the
>> um the [laughter] only thing I'm I'm
[44:22] going to say and I say it for all the
the contractors.
[44:27] [clears throat] Again, this is a
contractor that's not that's in Commerce
[44:31] Township, not in Lincoln Park. And we we
have cement or concrete contractors in
[44:38] Lincoln Park.
and we're we never
[44:42] communicate with them. I I I just wanted
to make that statement.
[44:48] » Understood. Anyone else?
[44:52] » Clerk, call the role.
>> Council persons Nichols,
[44:54] » yes.
>> Duprey,
[44:55] » yes.
>> Bear,
[44:56] » yes.
>> Salceto,
[44:58] » yes.
>> Zor,
[44:59] » no. [clears throat]
>> And Mayor Tobin,
[45:01] » yes.
>> Okay.
[45:04] » Thank you, Mayor Council.
>> Thank you, John.
[45:16] That was the Yeah.
>> Hi, Chief. Hi.
[45:23] [laughter]
>> I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir.
[45:26] » Good evening, Mayor and Council.
>> Evening. Uh, police department has
[45:31] requested mayor and council wave the
formal bidding process and authorize the
[45:34] lease of a 2026 Chevy Silverado pickup.
[clears throat] Vehicle will be
[45:40] replacing a police vehicle that has been
decommissioned. The vehicle will be
[45:45] leased from Enterprise Fleet Management
and outfitted by Canfield Equipment who
[45:50] is one of their vendors. Enterprise
participates in the state bid pricing.
[45:56] Cost of the Silverado was $7,15712
[46:01] which includes $22,210.70
[46:06] for the upfitting
um through Canfield. The funds will come
[46:10] from the vehicle lease payments count
661
[46:15] 932
947
[46:18] is recommended that mayor and council
approve this resolution.
[46:22] Whereas the Lincoln Park Police
Department is requesting to lease one
[46:26] 2026 Chevrolet Silverado. Be it resolved
that the mayor and council authorize the
[46:30] police department to wave the bidding
process and purchase a one 2026
[46:35] Chevrolet Silverado for a total cost of
$7,157
[46:41] which includes the cost of uplifting the
Campfield Equipment Service Incorporated
[46:45] from Enterprise Fleet Management to
qualify state bid participant. via
[46:51] further resolves. Funds for the purchase
of the 2026 Chevrolet Silverado to come
[46:55] from the vehicle lease payable payment
account 661-932-947.
[47:02] » Move
any discussion through the chair, your
[47:06] honor, real quick. I know Silverado are
made in like Fort Wayne and Flint, but
[47:10] they're also made in Mexico. Do you know
where this particular vehicle is made?
[47:14] » Uh, they won't even start making it
until um No. No, not yet.
[47:20] to the chair.
>> Yes.
[47:21] » Chief, the vehicle that you're replacing
is did you is it an auction or is it a
[47:26] lease return?
>> It will be a vehicle that we had paid
[47:30] and we will auction it off down the
road.
[47:33] » They still have to be commissioned to
have all the equipment pulled out and
[47:37] such.
>> Anyone else?
[47:40] Cler call the role.
>> Council persons Nichols. Yes. Dupra.
[47:43] » Yes. Bear.
>> Yes.
[47:45] » Salceto.
>> Yes. Sore
[47:50] » wish it was a Ford but yes
>> and Mayor Tobin
[47:54] » I agree. Yes.
>> Thank you.
[47:59] » We are not going to have a department
head report today
[48:02] » for Lisa though.
>> Oh we're going to have a city manager
[48:06] report.
>> I'll keep it quick. Um I just wanted to
[48:09] bring everybody up to date on where
where we stand with the new meter
[48:12] install project. Um, so HydroCorp is the
contractor that's doing the installs on
[48:17] our behalf. Um, they've sent out letters
to everybody in district 3 so far. Um,
[48:23] so as of today, they've installed 246
meters and they have appointments for
[48:27] another 116. Um, we've also installed
approximately 100 of our own over the
[48:33] last month, month and a half or so. Um,
so if you have received the letter from
[48:37] them, I believe they've started sending
out the second notices for that
[48:40] district. So, please reach out to them
and get your get your appointment to
[48:44] have the meter installed. Um, they're
pretty flexible on the days and times,
[48:48] so they should have something that can
work for everyone. Um, even those that
[48:52] work during the day. Um, so right now we
are working on district three. We'll be
[48:57] moving into district 4 in the coming
weeks. Um, and you would know what
[49:01] district you're in by your account
number on your water bill. So, if it
[49:03] starts with a three, then you're in
district three. Um, and then if you have
[49:09] not received a notice from HydroCorp
yet, you cannot make your appointment.
[49:12] So until you get that notification from
them, please do not try to schedule your
[49:16] appointment. We're trying to do it in
groups to keep everything pretty
[49:19] concise. Um, we're very excited to get
this new system in and up and running.
[49:24] Um, the the towers for reading the
meters. Um, we can read them now. We
[49:30] just have to do a driveby. Um, but they
are working on getting the
[49:33] infrastructure all up in place by the
end of this month. Um there were some
[49:36] delays with some of um the FCC license
that they need for the equipment, but
[49:41] they are moving along now. So that's all
I have for now.
[49:45] » Anybody have anything for Lisa?
>> To the chair.
[49:49] » Lisa, I told you about a leak, a water
leak at Ferris and Southfield
[49:55] » several weeks ago. Correct.
>> Correct. I originally reported that leak
[50:01] [clears throat]
uh in June of 23.
[50:06] » Oh, okay.
>> With Mr. Kroan.
[50:08] » Mhm.
>> Um it and it's been it's been broke
[50:12] several times. It's been the same issue
every time. It's the gate issue
[50:18] not and it so it's been leaking now for
three weeks.
[50:23] » Yeah. And we just spoke actually right
before the meeting about a plan to get
[50:28] some of our gate valves and the
different leaks that are going on right
[50:31] now, get those addressed. Um, we've been
bombarded of course with the the main
[50:36] brakes which have taken priority, but we
do have several items we've got to get
[50:40] addressed this week.
>> This isn't going to end up like our um
[50:45] where remember the alleys getting
cleaned up and Mr. Kan couldn't get uh
[50:51] anybody from DPS to work and help and do
it overtime. He offered all the
[50:56] overtime.
>> I can tell you the guys have been
[50:58] working a ton of overtime and I'm sure
they would love to have a day off here
[51:03] very soon.
>> Thank you,
[51:06] John. They just fixed it today.
>> Oh, did they?
[51:08] » Yeah.
>> Well, there you go.
[51:13] » Yeah. Come on up, John.
[51:19] I'd like to offer uh the mayor and
council and the audience a little uh
[51:23] information about this cold weather, how
the cold weather does and impact and
[51:28] definitely uh elim uh helps complicate
the situations.
[51:34] Uh January 1 through February 9th, so
let's call that a month. We've had uh 34
[51:42] water main breaks and 20 of them started
or I should say 30 of them started since
[51:50] January 20th when we got into the colder
uh weather. The other thing is with our
[51:57] system being uh older, our uh water
manes being older, with the frost that
[52:02] we're going through, frost is very hard
on water manes. Our water manes have
[52:08] approximately five, five and a half, six
feet of burial depth in clay. And right
[52:13] now we're finding that the clo uh frost
is approximately 4 and 1/2 ft deep. As
[52:18] that clay freezes, it does move the pipe
and the pipe being cast iron does not do
[52:26] real well with being moved.
Uh we've had a number of
[52:33] uh service leads which we don't know
what standards or what depths they were
[52:38] put in back in the 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s
because the 10 state standards didn't
[52:44] come into being until the mid 1950s
where they pretty much the 12 states
[52:50] came up with how deep some of this stuff
is being buried. Same thing with the
[52:54] sanitary systems.
Uh we have uh frozen water services and
[53:03] those are always a first and high
priority because homes or homeowners or
[53:08] families are without water. So we have
to get them water. So that's why they're
[53:12] always higher on our priority list list.
What we've done is we've taken our
[53:16] eightman crew and we've broken it up
into two crews. One crew is trying to uh
[53:21] thaw out the water surfaces for the
homeowners and the others are trying to
[53:26] continue to repair water main brakes.
We also have uh
[53:33] two
uh gate valves that are still leaking.
[53:37] One of them is at Ferris and Southville
which is scheduled for tomorrow. Uh and
[53:43] the other one is at 1804 capital.
[53:50] Uh we have four fire hydrants that are
either leaking or frozen
[53:56] and one of those is on Detroit and that
one has come up quite a bit.
[54:02] So basically what it a lot of it boils
down to we take the higher priority
[54:08] water leaks whether it's a water man a
gate valve a frozen hydrant
[54:14] a split water service
and we have to do those with or put
[54:20] higher priorities on those items. But we
still have some that are still out
[54:24] there. And it looks like we're going to
be getting some warm up here starting
[54:28] tomorrow. And hopefully this warm-up
brings the frost out of the ground
[54:33] slowly
so we don't get too many more breaks.
[54:39] But our crews have been working
sometimes as maximum as 27 hours
[54:45] and it's a long day in this cold
weather.
[54:49] And if anybody doubts that, I'll lend
you my pair of boots.
[54:56] But with that being said, we are not the
only community and you see that on the
[55:00] news all the time. You see it in
Detroit. I know that has happened in
[55:05] Trenton, Southgate, WOT, Allen Park,
Lincoln Park, and we're just part of the
[55:12] wonderful weather and the older
communities that are out there. That's
[55:16] all I wanted to add. if anybody has any
questions. Myself and Justin Gonzalez is
[55:21] here and Justin is presently on call for
tonight.
[55:26] » Thank you, John. Thank you, Justin.
>> Thank you, guys.
[55:31] » The chair, your honor,
>> appreciate your work. Thank you.
[55:33] » We're still under city manager report.
Lisa, I had the building department
[55:36] wasn't here today, but on the four part
bone alley over here, I noticed a green
[55:40] sticker on the door last couple days.
Any movement on that building?
[55:43] » Yes, they were doing an inspection of
the building. So there's active movement
[55:47] on it. Yes.
>> Maybe going up for sale here soon or I
[55:51] can
>> sure. We're just we're trying to get it
[55:53] up to code is our our goal and what they
choose to do with it from there will be
[55:57] seen.
>> Can I last thing I know I mentioned this
[55:59] about seven weeks ago. The old Farmer
Jack building. Any movement on that one?
[56:04] » Um I do not have an update but I can get
one for next meeting that'd be fine.
[56:13] » Thank you. Um, I just I I when I was
speaking earlier, I forgot to mention
[56:17] that um a lot of a lot of people have
been bringing up that Lincoln Park has
[56:23] the highest water rates [cough]
the area and I just want everyone to
[56:28] know we do not have the highest water
rates in the area. Um there are three
[56:33] cities higher than us and another city
that if you add um their fees for
[56:40] quarterly fees on top of their water
bill, they would be higher than us also.
[56:45] So um when you hear that Lincoln Parks
got the highest water rates out of
[56:49] anybody. Do not believe it. It is not
true. We are one of the top four of the
[56:54] but we are fourth in line. And if you
add a quarterly rate that someone else
[56:59] is adding on, we are fifth. We are the
fifth. There's four, five ahead of us at
[57:06] the rate as so it's not true. We are
doing the best we can and hopefully if
[57:11] we can get a handle on this um the rates
will stabilize. So we just know we are
[57:17] working on it. I just wanted to add that
to Lisa's report because we have it
[57:21] right here.
>> And I'll add even further to that. We
[57:25] have I know there's a lot of talk that
we haven't put in for federal grant
[57:28] funding. We put in for several um
federal and state grant. We've been
[57:32] fortunate with with some avenues, but we
did put in for lots of grants last year.
[57:37] We have not gotten any of those. Some of
them are going to be opening up again
[57:40] soon. So, we will once again try to um
get some additional money for water mane
[57:45] replacements.
>> Real soon.
[57:49] Okay. Anybody have anything else?
All right. Then at this time, we will go
[57:54] into citizens communications. Please
come up. State your name and um you have
[58:00] three minutes, sir.
>> I'm not sure if I'm actually supposed to
[58:05] stand up. I'm almost death and I
couldn't hear everything you said. My
[58:08] name is Timothy Price. My address is
2078 Michigan Boulevard. I'm calling
[58:13] about some complaints, you know, water
department. They come out, there's
[58:17] leaks. Not my fault, not their fault,
but they come out one leak, two leaks,
[58:23] three leaks, four leaks, five leaks.
Wait. They bust up my driveway one time,
[58:29] two times, three times, four. They bust
up my next door neighbor's driveway.
[58:34] They bust up the next door ne the
driveway next to that. They've replaced
[58:39] one, not mine. Wait, they busted up the
curb all along the road. Fix the curbs,
[58:46] you know, fix the driveways. You can
look at my concrete and every picture of
[58:52] the concrete that might show a new crack
is always right after they repaired it
[58:58] again. Okay, maybe I'm barking over the
water bill. You talked about the meter
[59:04] and everything. I couldn't hear
everything. You guys don't don't make it
[59:07] handicapped accessible on turning this
volume up. I need to hear or read on a
[59:12] screen. It would be really nice to be
able to stay focused on what you're
[59:15] saying because I can't I can't see well
enough to see read lips. That's that's
[59:20] wrong for you guys to do that. NOW, MY
BILL, MAYBE I have health issues. I get
[59:26] my water bill and I open it up. I look
at amount due. I write a check. I pay it
[59:32] every time. You know, why should I come
into the downstairs and say, "Wait a
[59:38] second. I paid the same amount the last
three times." Oh, you got an estimated
[59:43] bill, sir. You've been having an
ESTIMATED BILL. MAYBE I DON'T LOOK AT MY
[59:46] ENTIRE BILL. But maybe the water
department, maybe you guys should have
[59:51] been, wait, HE'S HAD AN ESTIMATED BILL
for one year, 2 years, 5 years,
[59:55] whatever. I don't know. Now, maybe that
should have been somebody in the
[1:00:01] department should have said, "Wait, he's
had an estimated bill for too long.
[1:00:05] Let's correct it. Find out where he
stands." I don't know what you said
[1:00:08] about that, but I I do know I've in good
faith every time I get a bill, I PAID
[1:00:13] IT. NOW find out that you guys' messers
are all defaulting and you guys all want
[1:00:19] to blame somebody else for and say, "Oh,
it'll be fixed in 3 years." That's
[1:00:24] wrong. That's wrong.
And it's wrong about the driveways, the
[1:00:29] streets, the curb. The water doesn't
even go past my house anymore. It used
[1:00:33] to go past my house and end at the drain
down the street. Now it goes down and it
[1:00:39] goes into the ground right there. It
doesn't even go past that my house
[1:00:43] because they don't they haven't fixed
the concrete from what was it a year ago
[1:00:47] or was that a year and a half ago? The
last time you guys worked or No, they
[1:00:51] last time they worked over there was
about 3 months ago or 6 months before
[1:00:56] that or 9 months. It's been every 3
MONTHS OR SO. GET THE JOB RIGHT. I have
[1:01:02] some confident people.
[1:01:10] » Please state your name.
Can I just say
[1:01:14] » giant, can you get his address and look?
>> I do got one LAST QUESTION.
[1:01:18] » WHEN AM I GOING TO get on clearance?
Your your time is up, sir. Your time is
[1:01:22] up. Please be seated. Your time is up.
>> I don't want to make Please sit down.
[1:01:27] Your time is 3 minutes.
Sir, I'm talking right here. I'm right
[1:01:32] here, sir. You're 3 minutes up.
>> I can handle this,
[1:01:34] » sir. You need to
You need to come in and let the water
[1:01:41] department come out and look at your
meter so we can give you an actual bill.
[1:01:47] » I asked for that be done.
>> They're going to be there tomorrow.
[1:01:51] » Correct. They'll be at your home
tomorrow, sir. I can't hear you. If you
[1:01:55] want to speak outside, I'll talk to you.
>> John, they'll be at his house tomorrow.
[1:02:05] » Hi. Speak your name and go ahead.
>> Michael Horvath, the crazy old ball guy
[1:02:10] who grew up in Lincoln Park and has
living in the house he grew up in since
[1:02:14] 97.
I know there's a lot of issues and you
[1:02:19] guys inherited a lot of things you had
nothing to do with. Although I will say
[1:02:23] they did do our water manes last year
and they did a good job on cleaning up
[1:02:29] the streets and it seemed that
everything was done very well. And I
[1:02:34] wanted to thank you for the chocolate
walk. It was very good. I appreciated
[1:02:39] going through it, but couldn't we do it
when it's a little warmer,
[1:02:43] please?
That's all I wanted to ask for. And
[1:02:46] again, working through a lot and finding
the water manes and finally getting the
[1:02:51] meters fixed. I think that'll good and
it'll take a little time to get this,
[1:02:55] but it should get better. And I
appreciate you putting up with all these
[1:02:59] difficult people. Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir.
[1:03:12] » Please state your name.
[1:03:16] Hello everybody. My name is Kenneth
Oslander. Um, I just wanted to say, you
[1:03:22] know,
[1:03:25] I I look, I can understand that uh
things are tense. I'm not a social media
[1:03:31] guy much. You know, I talk about
blacksmithing if if I do post it much.
[1:03:35] But, um, you know, there's there's a lot
of tense things going on these days. And
[1:03:42] in uh before I was a blacksmith, I used
to work at the executive level um in
[1:03:46] past jobs and uh I know how it is
dealing with uh people dealing with the
[1:03:51] public. It's not always easy and uh not
everything's rainbows and sunshine and I
[1:03:56] get that. Um, but what I do want to say
is
[1:04:01] genuinely speaking, what I really
appreciate about you, Mayor Tobin, and
[1:04:06] all of you of our city council is that I
genuinely feel a sense of community, a
[1:04:13] sense that you all care, right? Not
every uh issue is always
[1:04:19] straightforward. Not everything is clear
and, you know, there's different uh
[1:04:24] perspectives to how to tackle a problem.
Um, but yeah, I genuinely appreciate the
[1:04:31] fact that you all very much seem to
care. Um, and and I appreciate that, not
[1:04:37] just, you know, as a resident here of
Lincoln Park, but I appreciate that just
[1:04:42] as an observer of other cities I've
lived in in the past. Um, and I'm not,
[1:04:47] you know, [snorts] as I say, throwing
shade at other cities. It's just an
[1:04:50] observation I've I've made as a
resident. So, uh, you know, when it
[1:04:55] comes to the water issue, it's
unfortunate. It's complicated. There's a
[1:05:00] lot of factors here. Um, but it's clear
to me that you all care and that you're
[1:05:06] trying to find a solution, which I
appreciate. Um, [snorts] and so, you
[1:05:11] know, it's not to dismiss anybody's
concerns. You know, I get it. I totally
[1:05:15] get it. Can be frustrating. Sure. Um but
yeah, I think that's the big takeaway
[1:05:20] for me is that you all care and um you
are clearly trying to find a solution.
[1:05:27] So I think we could spend a lot of time
talking about what should be uh what
[1:05:32] should have been etc etc. These are all
valid points we could bring up all day
[1:05:36] long. But I think at some point you know
it's like hey thank you guys for caring.
[1:05:43] Thank you for doing what you do and
just, you know, putting in the effort.
[1:05:47] So, I appreciate that. That's all I
desire.
[1:05:49] » Thank you, sir.
>> Thank you, sir.
[1:05:50] » Very much.
>> Anybody else like to
[1:05:59] » Good evening, Mayor and Council Richard
Kudra. Not all of you speak into your
[1:06:03] microphones, and some of you are a lot
harder to understand than others. I want
[1:06:08] to thank the mayor and the city manager
for your two-page appendage to the
[1:06:13] agenda. A lot of nice information for
people who do not attend council
[1:06:17] meetings and didn't know all of this
information. I really feel sorry for you
[1:06:22] people because you take all the abuse
and
[1:06:25] city manager gets the abuse for raising
our rates for a problem that's been
[1:06:30] going on for at least 20 years. We own
we own when Steve Steve Duchaine was the
[1:06:36] city manager it was low 20s was a water
water loss. Now it's over 40. So I'm
[1:06:43] reading this thing from this contractor
that uh you hired.
[1:06:48] He's only going to charge $120,000.
I said for $120,000 you should have
[1:06:54] hired him or some other company 20 years
ago. It's obvious the workload has
[1:06:59] exceeded the ability of GPS to do to do
what to help us. I read 180 water mane
[1:07:08] breaks per year. I said that's insane.
No wonder these people are ju just
[1:07:14] absolutely exhausted. I heard mention uh
I made a a note about the city's
[1:07:19] proximity to the east ecourse creek may
mask blind leaks in in nearby water
[1:07:24] manes. I have long thought that you've
got water water mane leaks that never
[1:07:30] come above the ground and you need some
way of finding out, yeah, they're
[1:07:34] leaking, but where's that water going?
Is it going east creek? Is it going into
[1:07:38] the catch basin? It's not bubbling up to
the ground where you can see it. So, you
[1:07:43] need an acoustic way of finding it.
What was the other thing?
[1:07:50] uh just say I really I really appreciate
the fact that you're you're you're
[1:07:54] you're putting in the time, you're
spending the money and I wish this had I
[1:07:59] wish your your attitude had been done it
20 years ago and through the last 20
[1:08:04] years and we would never be in this
position today.
[1:08:08] John Kazoo has asked several times he
wanted to do this and he wanted her to
[1:08:12] do that. Steady Castle said no money.
There it is. there folks. You got to you
[1:08:17] got to pay for the infrastructure
running. Thank you.
[1:08:20] » Thank you.
[1:08:24] » Yes, please state your name. Three
minutes.
[1:08:26] » Trisha Cross. I live at 4143 High
Street. I hope everybody can hear me.
[1:08:31] I'm kind of speaking not just for
myself, but for some residents. I
[1:08:35] actually have a bunch of signatures that
I got from some of the neighbors. It is
[1:08:39] regarding a little bit of everything.
Um, I do appreciate you guys staying
[1:08:45] here, especially working all day and
then dealing with with us. But I'm
[1:08:50] asking for a resolution request and as
all of us that join together, discussion
[1:08:57] with the water bills, the taxes, some
broken sidewalks, some, you know,
[1:09:03] different things throughout the
community for the water and sewer. We
[1:09:07] just want some transparency and
basically we'd like to see a little more
[1:09:11] in plain English of some of the revenue
and expenditures for these
[1:09:16] infrastructures. And I heard what
everybody said, even down to the
[1:09:20] sidewalk with this guy wanting to keep
our work in Lincoln Park. I'm all for
[1:09:24] that. How come we don't try to keep it
here? We're trying to keep our money. He
[1:09:30] just mentioned the policing cars. He
wanted to know if it was Mexico. Well,
[1:09:34] I'm for the Ford, too. I think we need
to do what we need to do. But it's it's
[1:09:39] time that we have total transparency so
the average person like me and that
[1:09:44] gentleman that flipped out, you know,
understands. Um this is unacceptable
[1:09:49] that we have water leaks that are going
on for this many years. I don't think
[1:09:54] that until we give Lincoln Park
employees that are working on the water
[1:09:59] now. I don't think we should hand the
job off sorry to another company. You
[1:10:04] guys are offering to give us new water
meters with detection. How come we don't
[1:10:08] try that first? How come we don't employ
more people that live within the city? I
[1:10:13] know tons of people um as a clinic
manager of three clinics that need jobs
[1:10:19] and that can do the work. I don't know
why we're going way out to BFE to find
[1:10:24] jobs. I I mean, I don't understand that
part. Um, but here is a graph just of my
[1:10:30] own. And I live by myself of my water.
This is kind of easier to see. I pretty
[1:10:36] much do the same thing except
summertime. And even mine is crazy. I
[1:10:41] know that these are estimated bills, but
that guy has a huge point with why time
[1:10:46] after time after time. We have so much
technology with computers and
[1:10:51] everything. How come they didn't flag
that his was consistently an estimate
[1:10:56] and now he's either going to end up with
a negative bill or a giant one when it's
[1:11:00] not right. I mean um I mean we can go
all the way down to the property tax and
[1:11:06] sir charges I did do on what you said
ma'am about how we are not the highest.
[1:11:12] We may not be the highest, but in a
comparative cuz I took the time to go to
[1:11:16] each city to ask them, we are higher
than Taylor, Southgate, and we wot and
[1:11:22] that's important to me and it's an
observation that we made. We're paying
[1:11:25] about 35 to $75 a month more for our
water. I don't I know my time's up and
[1:11:32] I'm sorry, but I do want to give you
guys these documents so I can show
[1:11:37] proof. I'm about facts. I don't go on
social media and bash anybody because I
[1:11:41] think it's inappropriate and you don't
get results. But I am about the
[1:11:45] community and um I even went into some
effective rates for our taxes for our
[1:11:51] homes. Our homes are way higher taxed.
>> Sorry. You're Yeah. Point of order.
[1:11:58] You're past your time.
>> Okay.
[1:12:00] » But let you don't let anybody else.
>> Okay.
[1:12:05] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:12:16] Mayor, city council, I am William
Coleman. I own 507, 509, and 513
[1:12:22] Southfield. And as you're all looking
around trying to figure out what that
[1:12:24] is, across from KFC, across from DPW,
[snorts] I've been there 14, 13, 14
[1:12:30] years. I bought the building from an old
man, 70 years old, who retired. I run
[1:12:35] Bill's vending service out of there. I
don't advertise. I keep it quiet. I
[1:12:40] don't want people to know what I do
there. We have about 180 locations all
[1:12:44] over you over all over Michigan. We have
11 in Lincoln Park alone. We do the claw
[1:12:50] machines, we do bowling alleys, we do
the bars, we do jew boxes, we do ATMs.
[1:12:57] And business operation works is we pull
in, we load up everything for the whole
[1:13:00] day. We leave, we go to our routes, and
we come back, and then we unload. We
[1:13:05] worked till 3:00 a.m. Now, my warehouse
was built way before any of us were ever
[1:13:10] here. It was an old factory, and it used
to have sixoot steel beams sticking out
[1:13:15] the back of it and the front of it for a
trolley system that went down the whole
[1:13:18] strip. Well, the city came along in the
' 60s and ' 70s and said, "It's no
[1:13:23] longer a factory. You need to cut those
beams out." So, the old owner did and he
[1:13:28] removed the beams. And I have a front
garage door that faces towards
[1:13:31] Southfield. I have a garage door facing
on Elliot. And I have a big garage door
[1:13:36] on the back with a door. My problem is
is my building was built 10 foot shorter
[1:13:42] than the alley. So the alley is 25 ft. I
have 10 ft than my building starts. I
[1:13:49] just want peace. Okay. I've been parking
in the alley for my business, for my
[1:13:53] safety. I pull up to the back door. We
load and unload all night. It's a
[1:13:56] loading zone. Basically, that's what we
do. We're never not parking there
[1:14:01] overnight. But lately, I've been getting
parking tickets for blocking the alley.
[1:14:06] And I'm like, but I own 10 feet of the
alley. And I went to the city. I went
[1:14:10] downstairs and they said, "Well, you got
to get a survey and then we'll see about
[1:14:13] a loading zone if it meets the
requirements." But I'm like, I just want
[1:14:17] peace for what we do. We want to keep it
quiet. We don't want to be noticed, you
[1:14:23] know? We we don't we don't want that. We
just want to load and unload, do our
[1:14:27] business. Now, if the police pulled up
and wanted to give us a ticket for
[1:14:29] parking alley, all they had to do is
knock on the door. Hey, what's going on?
[1:14:33] We're loading and unloading. That's
that's what the big garage doors are
[1:14:36] for. Now, the main reason why I'm here
is the city came to me a long time ago
[1:14:40] when I first moved in and said, you
know, your big garage door facing
[1:14:43] Southfield, we don't want you using
that. And I said, okay, I'll use the
[1:14:48] other ones. So, I complied with what the
city wanted. I said, okay, I won't use
[1:14:52] my 14 ft x 12t garage door on the front
anymore. I'll move to the side. hid into
[1:14:57] the back. Well, now you're coming along
and saying, "Well, now your back door."
[1:15:01] And I'm like, "This isn't very fair to
me as a business owner and for my safety
[1:15:06] that you want me to park across the
street and walk back and forth,
[1:15:09] especially considering that area is not
the best." That the alley, explain the
[1:15:14] alley.
It's from A to B Street. There is no
[1:15:18] garage doors for for for residential.
There's only two garage doors on the
[1:15:22] thing. And it's only two businesses
there. And there's a crater in the
[1:15:26] middle of the alley. So if you travel
down there, you're going to lose your
[1:15:29] car.
>> Your time is up.
[1:15:30] » I understand.
>> The alley very well. Um
[1:15:34] » you're going to have to talk to the
building department.
[1:15:36] » I have [clears throat]
>> again um
[1:15:40] » that's all I can tell you right now.
>> Okay.
[1:15:42] » I understand and I'm very familiar with
that alley.
[1:15:45] » So
>> but 14 years of no problems at all and
[1:15:48] all of a sudden now there's problems and
>> Right. I understand. So um let's let's
[1:15:52] all we'll look into it too. Okay. Okay.
>> I mean, if I do own the 10 ft, I mean,
[1:15:58] that's great. I mean, I can park there,
I guess. I mean, I'm pretty sure if you
[1:16:01] own it, you can park there, but
>> something on record, too.
[1:16:05] » Yeah, we'll look for that, too. Look for
property line.
[1:16:07] » Okay. I don't mind paying for a survey
to that and everything. I just want to
[1:16:10] get I just want peace. I want to be left
alone.
[1:16:13] » All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:16:14] » Thank you for your time.
>> We have the assessment records
[1:16:19] assessing, too. Thank you. Does anybody
else want to address this body?
[1:16:27] With that, we'll go to comments of
council.
[1:16:31] Mr. Salce.
>> Thank you, honor. Just one quick thing,
[1:16:34] Alfred Vanishing Company. I wish you
well in your endeavors. I appreciate
[1:16:38] city manager and Jazoo getting together.
>> My only issue may have been we didn't
[1:16:44] know what the other companies had to
offer. Maybe that's why perhaps I voted
[1:16:48] no on this, but now I wish you well. I
hope you help our guys and I hope you uh
[1:16:53] find some leaks and save the city some
money. That's all everyone. Thank you.
[1:16:58] » Um Tracy as always. Thank you so much
for our first responders, DPS, city
[1:17:05] employees for keeping us moving and
safe. Prayers go out every night and
[1:17:09] morning when I get the the water main
breaks notices um to keep our team safe
[1:17:15] and as warm as they can possibly be. Uh
it's a tough job and uh
[1:17:21] some people complain about it, but I
thank you very much every day. Um with
[1:17:26] the cold weather, please prepare when
you go out. There's a lot of ice. Slow
[1:17:30] down a little bit. Stay safe and good
night and God bless.
[1:17:38] » Hi. Um the library commission meeting
was last week. They have set the dates
[1:17:44] for the spring uh book sale. Uh it will
start Saturday, April 25th and go until
[1:17:50] May 2nd by the Friends of the Library.
Um Nicole, their librarian, reported
[1:17:57] that total circulation in 2025 was the
highest that has been in 10 years. So,
[1:18:03] we thought that was a great development
and shows uh what available resource our
[1:18:08] library is. And in regards to the book
sale, they wanted me to mention that if
[1:18:13] anyone is doing any spring cleaning,
because yes, spring will eventually get
[1:18:18] here. And if they have any troves of
books that may be collecting some dust
[1:18:22] in the attic or the basement, they would
be happy to take them for a donation.
[1:18:27] You just have to stop out of library and
they got a big old bin right right
[1:18:32] inside the front door and they'd be
happy to take those. And uh I just echo
[1:18:38] Tracy's sentiment. U Justin sent us all
an email about just how overwhelmed
[1:18:45] they've been to start the year and it
all of our jobs just hit hit the floor.
[1:18:50] So we we certainly appreciate all the
hard work that DPS is having to having
[1:18:55] to put in right now.
>> Thank you. Have a have a good night.
[1:19:00] » Thank you.
Uh, first of all, I'd like to offer my
[1:19:03] condolences to the Kaminsky family. Um,
if it wasn't for, uh, Pam Kaminsky, uh,
[1:19:11] my kids probably wouldn't have graduated
the high school. [laughter]
[1:19:14] Um, she was always
very, very good to my family and so is
[1:19:21] Charlie. Um I the event that's coming up
for the police department Tuesday,
[1:19:28] February 24th at 4 to 7, uh MC Police
Night, uh from the Chapala Family
[1:19:37] Restaurant. Uh it'll be at 1469 Ford
Street. So 1469 Ford Street, February
[1:19:45] 24th.
[1:19:49] Okay.
>> Um and then uh my last thing is is uh I
[1:19:55] meant no disrespect to Mr. Bennis
company. The um I I ask questions
[1:20:03] because residents want to know and I'm
trying to give them the services that
[1:20:09] they they'd like. Um you know, and I
know I know we have a big problem and I
[1:20:16] don't blame the DPS. I know they're out
there working because they were down
[1:20:21] through houses from my house. So, I I've
I've watched them work. I know they work
[1:20:25] all day. Uh, I just I want to say I
appreciate everybody,
[1:20:32] but it it's it's a tough job and I took
on this job committed to being um a part
[1:20:40] of a a collaborative group and I thought
we were all in the same direction at one
[1:20:47] time, but I just feel like we're losing
our direction sometimes.
[1:20:52] Thank you,
[1:20:57] Um, as spoken earlier, if you have any
problem with your taxes, please contact
[1:21:01] the number on this uh, you can't see it
because my name's blocking here. Let me
[1:21:06] let me do that. Let's see. Bring it on
closer, Don.
[1:21:11] Contact the office here if you're having
problems with your taxes. We don't want
[1:21:14] anybody get losing their property
because of their inability to pay. Get a
[1:21:19] hold of this number. See if they can't
set you up with a payment plan. We don't
[1:21:23] want to see anybody disposing the houses
in 2026. we can not keep it going. So,
[1:21:28] contact the number. They were kind
enough to bring us a pamphlet. So, it's
[1:21:30] really appreciated. Uh museum is back
open. They had their little cleaning
[1:21:34] spree. Uh Wednesday, Saturday, 1 to 6:00
p.m. Uh the dinner at Applebee's, I
[1:21:41] don't know how successful it was. It
seemed to be pretty successful. It was
[1:21:44] packed the whole time I was there. So,
that was pretty awesome. Um make sure
[1:21:51] as Lisa said, we're we're starting the
water main. we're getting really into it
[1:21:54] are the water meters. Ple, please have
the area around your water meter clean.
[1:22:00] Cuz if they have to walk into your house
and clean 30 foot of garbage in front of
[1:22:04] your water meter, it's going to take a
while. So, please make sure where your
[1:22:09] water meter is in the house,
nice area around it cuz they're going to
[1:22:13] need to get in there. They're going to
need to move tools. They're going to
[1:22:16] have possible water spillage. So, make
sure there's nothing valuable in that
[1:22:19] area.
Um, and
[1:22:24] I can't stress this enough. Facebook is
not an official way to get a hold of
[1:22:28] your representatives in this city.
It's also not an official way to report
[1:22:33] watering breaks.
I The phone number is
[1:22:39] » 313
381800.
[1:22:44] That is a non-emergency police line.
That is what you call if you are
[1:22:47] experiencing water pressure issues or
after hours because that was when it
[1:22:54] seems to happen is in the morning and
late at night. So 3133811800
[1:23:00] is the number to call after hours so we
can get that problem taken care of
[1:23:05] please. I'm seeing posts and people are
posting you know I've had low water
[1:23:10] pressure for 2 hours now. That's two
hours of water that we're losing into
[1:23:14] the ground because nobody's reporting
it. So, please help us help the problem.
[1:23:20] Other than that,
we're all going through stresses. Let's
[1:23:23] just let's be kind to one another. As I
always say, it's about community. The
[1:23:28] garden walk or the chocolate walk was
great. We're planning the garden walk
[1:23:31] and hopefully July or August. I'm
thinking ahead here so we can have warm
[1:23:35] thoughts,
you know. Go out, enjoy it. Oh, I forgot
[1:23:40] my happy Valentine's Day.
>> Oh,
[1:23:43] » happy Valentine's Day. We We'll relay
that too since it's there. Um, everybody
[1:23:47] have a great night. You guys
[clears throat] stay safe as always.
[1:23:50] Justin, John, you know, I know you guys
are out there killing yourselves. So,
[1:23:53] thank you guys.
>> Okay, so um I just want to say everybody
[1:23:59] stay safe. Um, please report. Please, if
you have a problem, let us know so we
[1:24:05] can help. Um
and yeah um and if you have are seeing
[1:24:12] things on Facebook and it relates to a
matter please relate them to contact us
[1:24:18] and not expect to get an answer on
Facebook. I will not reply to comments
[1:24:22] on Facebook now or ever. Um I do enjoy
putting the wedding pictures up because
[1:24:27] the bride and grooms like to see that
and they like the comments from
[1:24:31] everybody. That's about the extent of
what I will do. Um, congratulation on
[1:24:35] our gift winners tonight for coming out
and then braving the cold. And um,
[1:24:40] everybody have a beautiful Valentine's
Day. Um, warm weather is coming. It's
[1:24:45] supposed to stay dark till or stay light
till 6:00 tomorrow.
[1:24:49] » 6:00, guys. This is a this is big. So,
um, and I just want to say to Eric's
[1:24:56] comment, um, we here are all together.
We came here together to do a job for
[1:25:02] this community. We are not always
supposed to agree. That would not be
[1:25:06] right. We all are here for the
community. We if we all agreed, it
[1:25:12] wouldn't be much point. You know, we
have opinions. Um we're here to move
[1:25:16] this city forward the best way we can
with the best conscience we can give.
[1:25:21] So, um I think we do a good job
together. We work well together. And um
[1:25:25] with that, I will say good night, be
safe, stay warm, and enjoy the nice
[1:25:30] weather that's supposed to be coming.
And God bless. Thank you everybody. Cler
[1:25:34] call the role.
>> Resolve that the meeting be adjourned at
[1:25:37] 8:25 p.m.
>> Move.
[1:25:40] » Support.
>> Support.
[1:25:41] » Council person Salceto.
>> Yes.
[1:25:43] » Nichols.
>> Yes.
[1:25:44] » Bayer.
>> Yes.
[1:25:45] » Dupra.
>> Yes.
[1:25:46] » Zor.
>> Yes.
[1:25:47] » And Mayor Tobin.
>> Yes.