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Okay, colleagues, it's just after 4 p.m., we'll call the meeting order. We have an extremely extensive agenda ahead of us, and so I know we'll be here for hours and hours. On that note, I'll look for any disclosures of pecuniary interests.

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Okay, they're being done.

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What I'd like to suggest colleagues, we have a number of scheduled items, 7, 8, and 9.

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I'd like to deal with those first, so we have some guests from the London Medical Innovation

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and Commercialization Network that have been working to get on the agenda for some time.

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Then we'll deal with the PPM for the Water Waste Water and the Smart City Strategy Terms

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reference, and then we'll circle back to the consent items and work our way through up to

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number six. Before we deal with number six, that's the LMICN. We need to spend some time

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in camera. We'll come out of camera and deal with 10, 11, 12, and then go back in camera for the

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remainder of the evening. We also call each have a request for delegation status. It's with regard

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to the BMO Center, expansion of the London Optimus Sports Center. What I would like to suggest

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The first colleague is that we find a way to get this on subsequent agenda, so we can deal

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with it as quickly as possible and ensure that we give it the attention that's required.

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I also was suggest that there might be some prep work that's required that we could provide

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some instruction to staff to make sure that there's some communication back and forth for

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this comes forward.

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And again, with the focus on getting it on an agenda as a timed item, so the public knows

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to expect and so the presenters know what to expect is quickly as possible. Otherwise it could be

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very far into the evening before we deal with that one. Definitely a huger.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think with the BMO Center what I'd like to suggest is I would move

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that the committee secretary would be directed to place Mr. Tom Pertales, President of London

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to the Sports Center as a delegation on a future agenda of SPP, PPC with respect to the

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London Optimus Center request for additional funding from the City of London and that

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a business case be forwarded as part of that agenda as well so that Council can evaluate that.

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And I would say that if I could with just a very brief comment that everyone I think we had a

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conversation about this last year. Earlier this year rather is part of budget deliberations and we recognize

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the outstanding contribution that the BMO is making to our community. And so we want to get this back in front of Council.

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Let's quickly close possible.

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Okay, so that motion will come up on screen. I think reiterating the need to have this come back as quickly as possible is important to do.

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so we can deal with this effectively, but also in a time-efficient manner.

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I'm just looking for a second here at this time.

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We have a motion.

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Councillor Ashwin, did you want a second?

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If you could just second it.

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Oh, it's been seconded by Deputy Mayor Cassie.

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And we'll start.

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Quick speakers list, but I'll remind everyone that if this passes, we'll be dealing with this.

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Very shortly at our future SPPC.

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Councillor Ashwin.

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Since we are asking for a business case, I would just like to report from staff also

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to a company that will tell us the facts of this situation because we haven't heard

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the facts yet.

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The total picture I'm talking about.

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Absolutely.

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Any other speakers?

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Councillor Ridley.

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Thank you.

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We're just a quick question to yourself.

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Does SPPC is that the only committee that's would fit for it to be reported back to our

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critical back to our corporate services committee or another committee?

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Excellent question and not surprise it's coming from the chair of governance.

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This could be dealt with through a different committee as well and it might be easier

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to get it on one of those agendas we can deal with it in a more time efficient way.

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I believe that the corporate services committee would likely be the most appropriate committee

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and I'd like to move in amendment that it go back to a future agenda of the corporate

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services committee.

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the point misrares we want it on the agenda so it's back in front of Council ASAP.

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I think this is the most expeditious way that we can do that.

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I'm informed by the clerk that it would be appropriate to send the caps, not CSE,

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even more appropriate that it would be coming to caps from your perspective.

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So it's seen as a friendly amendment by the mover, and I'm assuming by the seconder,

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and look for any other speakers.

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Yeah, it comes to the squire, Ben Holtz, and then Morgan.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

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I just want to clear up any concerns that this organization has not sort of done its background work to bring this matter forward.

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They have that with staff.

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They've worked through numbers.

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They are presenting and have provided the city of London with a top rate facility that's reduced a lot of

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to the city of London. And I want them and I expect them and I guess you can, we can not

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do that, them to be treated with the utmost respect as they move forward. I would like

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their business case certainly to be considered with every other business case that comes

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before, before us. And last year I must say I was extremely disappointed in the manner in which

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they retreated. In the manner they had to basically sit in the gallery and make a pitch for

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what is a significant and valuable community asset.

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So I will continue to be pushing to make sure these people are treated in the manner that

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they deserve.

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Thank you.

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I'm sure that your colleagues agree.

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Councillor Van Host.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and I would also like to say that I'm looking forward to seeing

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So as I did my own work, three pretty compelling economic reasons to just go forward with

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I would just share one the fact that right now we're leasing them a property on Coney

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Boulevard for a dollar a year, which we could sell for $560,000,000 for my own rule of

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thumb is that anytime we can speed up the payback for our industrial land strategy by

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half a million years, we should go ahead with that.

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Thank you, Councilor Councillor Morgan.

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Just a question.

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I don't mind going this route if it's the will of the committee.

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I just want to make sure that we don't cause undue delay if there are questions or information like that

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of what Councilor Van Holtz just referenced in that, you know, a source of financing is another

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piece of property.

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How do we make sure that all of that comes back so that we're not going to invite them

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back into future meeting of whatever committee asks for that information and then have to invite

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them back to a future meeting to make the decision.

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In other words, like, what's the process for what you said and that if people have stuff that

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they want to come back with this when it comes to committee, how do you want us to let them

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Councillor, the way I read the motion, it addresses that, that exact concern that that

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business case come forward, and if you'd like to add anything to the motion by all

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means, please do so, but I think you raise a very good point that we want to make sure

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that staff are prepared to answer our questions, that the delegation has the opportunity

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to present their opportunity in a time-efficient manner and that we can make a decision on

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this opportunity is quickly as possible and so that's I think the spirit of the motion if you

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want to add anything to it I think you're more than welcome to but from my perspective I don't

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think it's necessary because I think that's included in this motion. Councillor Halmer.

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much and without saying anything about the BMO Center what does they want to do with this money

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I have some concerns about what we're doing here and at this point I think I'll be voting against

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The motion has been suggested, I want to say why, so it's not, it's clear that it's not really about the actual issue.

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So we have later in our agenda, we're talking about changing the sort of way we fund on profit organizations in the city.

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And one of the key elements of that is that we're not going to make any changes to funding for anybody for next year, 2016.

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And we had this issue as a kind of request come forward last year.

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And I think the idea then was to go forward into the multi-year budget for consideration next year.

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I'm a bit concerned that we've got our 13 business cases going forward from the city we

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said to all other nonprofit organizations as a city don't come here for any kind of money

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for 2016 and then we have this one that's a bit of a special case it's certainly different

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in terms of the scope and they do a very particular thing in the city certainly but I'm

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a little concerned about you know when we're going to be dealing with it we're dealing

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with it before the budget we're dealing with it during the budget deliberations and it's

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to stand a committee rather than SPPC which deals with budget matters and so my preference would

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be if it went anywhere that I went to SPPC and even then I'm a bit concerned about it and I think

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unless I hear convincing arguments otherwise I won't be supporting this particular motion.

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That's a wrap.

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Thank you and through the chair. I too will not be supporting this motion.

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I think it should be coming back to SPPC. We are already starting a conversation here on the floor,

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So I would like to see it back as soon as possible.

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We'll call the question that the purpose of it going to caps was to allow for the presentation

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to happen sooner rather than later.

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There might be more of a delay for it to go to SPPC.

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However, we'll make that decision together as a council.

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And so if there are no further speakers, Councillor Vandholz really quickly please.

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Thank you. Well, then if we're going to be asking staff to bring be able to answer questions.

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I just want to put out those two other points. I'll be as briefly as I can.

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One is that through you to my colleagues,

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we wouldn't be seeing any cash from DCs coming to us from this project.

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Basically, the way I see it to two things are going to happen.

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One will help them in the way they asked when the DC funds come through, they'll pretty much cover the cost of the grant.

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If we don't help them, then it's likely instead of building our premium structure, they'll put up another bubble.

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And those according to Antichiot's article 306, if I could, if I could, if I could,

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if I could, if I could, if I could, if I could, if I could, if I could, if I could, if I could, I could, you're kind of getting into the meat of the matter and to the debate and we haven't even had the opportunity for the idea to come forward to a committee.

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And so from an agenda, control perspective. It's a heavy agenda. If we could have that conversation, and if you could make those points at the time of the delegation is received, I think that that would be a precinct.

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I think that we could deal with the remainder of the agenda.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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I thought that there was a call to make sure that staff would respond to the questions

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we were going to have.

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So I was hoping they would confirm a couple ideas like that.

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There's no DCs for a bubble.

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But that's fine.

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We can vote.

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Let's give us some time to make sure that we flesh out all those questions.

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If we flesh them all out and that we're able to make sure they're addressed

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Do you want to speak Councillor?

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I just want to remind committee when there's a discussion about not providing on profits with money.

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I just reminded that the London Community Foundation has come to us and will be coming to us asking for a substantial amount of money through their auspices,

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a project they're leading and my view is that we're dealing with it because they're going to make some kind of contribution to a community asset in the same manner.

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as this is. So, I think sometimes if we decide we're going to, sometimes setting rules and

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thinking we're being consistent with them when in fact we're not and stating that

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in fact, I think can be prohibiting for council. So I just wanted to make that very clear

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example of the ability to where we are through the auspices of a non-profit doing something

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and giving them what may be a large amount of money.

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Thank you, Councillor. Okay, I have no additional

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speakers so with that I'll call the question we're voting

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just a reminder that we're voting

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closing the vote the motion carries 11 to four okay thank you colleagues so we'll

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will be in touch with bemo and with the volunteer group to ensure that we find a time to add

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this to the next cap's agenda clerk's office will be in touch and if you have any questions please

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just let us know thanks so much colleagues if we get then turn our attention to

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Scheduled items. This is number seven. This is the London medical innovation commercialization network update.

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I'd like to welcome Paul Palado and Peter White to the podium. Welcome.

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We'll see if we can get that raised up to

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More comfortable height for you and I will pass things over for you for what I understand is a presentation

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Call these. I'll also remind you that it's 415 now at 510.

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I've heard me at 6-10, we are taking a break to light the menorah and you're all invited to join.

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Join us at that time, just on the north side of City Hall. Mr. Plata.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councillor. We certainly appreciate this opportunity. In the interest

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of time, for those of you who may know how I present, I move fairly quickly. We have a fairly

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content rich agenda, and it's more than just the commercialization that work. We have a number

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of updates to provide to you today as part of an annual commitment. We make to the city for some

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initiatives that we funded as partners between Western and the city.

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So, I'm joined by my colleague today, Peter White, he'll be speaking regarding the

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project front-offer project center. I'll be taking care of some of the other elements

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and most notable, of course, is the fundamental network. So, if you'll just indulge us,

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I will move quickly. I promise, I speak quite quickly. And if there are questions at the end,

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we'll be happy to take them. So, thanks very much. With respect to the

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just click here, I'll just move it this way. There we go. So these, this is basically what

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we're going to be speaking to. We have a report on the Stiller Center, which is a holdover

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agreement for some time now. We have some very good news to share with you on that, as well

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as well as the medical innovation network, which we're going to truncate that name to London

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Medical Network just to make it easier. And then of course, Bronhofer, throughout the presentation,

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we'll be talking about some of the opportunities and challenges we face as part of a research

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development, commercialization community, and we'll just be talking about next steps and how

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For your edification, Western Research Parks is actually an accomplishment of three parks,

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the two that you're familiar with here in London and Discovery, and the advanced manufacturing

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park in the South End.

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We also include in part of our catchment, the London, Sarnia, sorry, the Sarnia Lampedon Research

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And as you will know, each of the parks have what we call a sectorial bias based on the research

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agenda of the university.

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So we cross the gamut of health sciences, bio-industrial, as well as manufacturing, wind, and materials.

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And you can see where we bias.

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That doesn't preclude from having same medical devices down in AMP or some other technology at

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But the intention is to try and maximize space, utilization, and most importantly, the research

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assets of the region, not just of Western Ontario.

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In terms of the parked fast backs, I'm not going to go through all of it with you.

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I can point out that's a value where importance is that we're at 98% occupancy across the 624,000 square feet and we're at 100% occupancy and discovery park, which is an impressive statistic when you think about not too long ago, there were people concerned about the fact that we were struggling with occupancy levels.

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So we've made a huge inroads and that can be attributed to the fact that research parks are increasingly becoming economic development engines for respective communities and London is very fortunate to be in a situation where its parks are at a mature state and become highly valued contributors to the local economy.

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We have 95 high-tech tenants right now, a mix of what we call anchor tenants or large-scale multinational type tenants and then we have also a number of entrepreneurial companies.

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All of our tenants are designed or selected with a premise of contributing to the advancement

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of the research, development, and commercialization agenda.

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So we do not directly compete with commercial interests in this community quite to the contrary.

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Well, we look to do our look for tenants who may not necessarily fit within a commercial

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or a standard commercial lease.

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We give very flexible terms, that kind of thing.

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Or we look alternatively for tenants that might not otherwise come to London.

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tenets like Langsis global companies that come here for specific access to the research assets

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of the university and the community. We're in the neighborhood now 1600 knowledge workers

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and our estimated contribution is around 112 million. This gives you a sampling of the tenets

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mix that we have at our parks large companies like Nova and Langsis as well as a very small

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early stage companies. Some of the more notable companies that you would be familiar with are

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companies that have graduated, EK-3, voices.com, they generally are now very much in the mainstream

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media, and that's in large part because those companies have been very successful there.

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Now I believe located largely downtown, and the beauty of those companies is they all were

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Genesis was in the research park and partnership with our partners.

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Our vision here is pretty self-explanatory, we're really all about dreams and discoveries,

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But at the end of the day, the research parks primary mission is to fulfill one of the mandates of Western

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University. So it's part of its strategic plan. Economic development is a key tenant.

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It is a key value within the organization. It is well supported by the organization. And it's manifested itself through largely the research

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parks program. Our mission, again, is to basically serve as an enabler for these attributes.

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invention, economic growth, employment, wealth creation, and also of note social good.

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And that becomes a particularly important tenant when you think about the line of medical

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innovation network.

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Social good is a key contributor to where we're going.

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It's not just about growth, wealth creation, it's about making people's lives and improving

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upon them.

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I mentioned to you some of our successes, so we've had 35 graduate companies, some 770 estimated

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A lot of this stuff, some of it's in the mainstream media, but a lot of this is not always

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recognized in large measure because they're small companies, and they don't necessarily

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attract maybe the attention that more mainstream or larger companies would.

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It is worth noting that Western and this may not be well-known.

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Western research parks program is ranked fifth among university incubators in North America and

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second Ontario.

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It is the second year we've finished in the top 10.

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It is a ranking that is actually done by a company out of Sweden.

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And it pits us against over 300 incubators around the world.

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So we're very, very proud of that ranking.

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And when you see the level of investment and how we manifest that investment

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London, it's actually even more impressive in that respect.

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And we are one of only two self-sustaining parks.

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So one of the nice things about our research parks program

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is that we do not come down here looking for money from the city

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or the feds or even the province in that regard.

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We do offer programs if they are strategic values to our clients.

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But at the end of the day, the park is a self-sufficient entity, and we're very, very proud of that.

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When I mention the park's accomplishment, most notably the fifth ranking, it's important to realize that we do this with very, very little investment.

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And the reason for that is because we have relied on what we call a tentacle formula, which many of you in the retail industry would know, which is an anchor tentant and an entrepreneurial tentant.

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and, you know, any mall in the area would know that

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where you would use, say, the bay would pay for a lot

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of the smaller tenants and some of the churn

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that happens with smaller tenants.

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So our park uses what we call the two thirds,

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one third tenant formula.

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And it allows us to maintain a self-sufficient operation.

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The two thirds will be organizations like Langsis,

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but it all could be also could be public sector organizations

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like the hospital, is a tenant of the research parks.

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And the larger tenants pay a healthier rent,

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don't tell them that,

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but they pay a healthier rent in large measure to help us cross subsidize the smaller

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tenants who may have to manage through cash flow issues that may have to take a few months off.

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We work very closely to ensure that the tenants are the opportunities for the tenants

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success is maximized using the funds that are largely contributed through the larger

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players.

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It's also interesting that the larger players that we attract are generally interested in

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as I mentioned the research talent and technologies and even the people, the young people

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that are put out by the university.

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So we've become a very powerful attraction tool for not just the university,

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but for London itself in terms of its growth and development.

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We also have what we consider very strong executive commitment.

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I can tell you categorically, I've done a Western now about eight years,

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and I joined it around the same time as Dr. Chakma.

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We have an exceptional executive at Western and they have all collectively committed to

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economic development agenda. It is not the core mission of the university, but it is a central

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tenet to its overall strategic plan. I have never been, I've never suffered from

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want in that organization, and they've always been supported via our agenda in that respect.

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And the final key piece that really is that I'm really proud of is our entrepreneurial

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support network. This is a key component now, the community's economic roadmap, and what

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we did at the park, and we're very, very fortunate to have this, is we rely extensively

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on tech alliance to serve as our accelerator, as our driver.

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So the park is able to offer a lot of services through tech alliance.

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It also relies on OCE, NRC, IRAP.

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We also have world discoveries there.

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So we consider a really supportive ecosystem, all designed to drive the success.

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And so when you look at the level of federal and provincial investment incubators over

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the last three years, I'm not at all.

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trialins by Waterloo's success in securing funds.

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I think it's a lot of bowl, and I think, frankly, it's good for Canada that we have

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tech sectors that are globally recognized.

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But it's really important to also appreciate that what we do with our resources in London

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is pretty impressive, and our cluster here is very, very impressive, especially when you consider

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the level of investment that's been affected over the last three to five years.

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In terms of the Stiller Center itself, we're really, really pleased with this particular

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and I'm happy to provide you with this report, because I think it will be the last time

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I need to actually specifically report on the Stiller Center.

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The university assumed operations in June 2010.

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We made some management changes in 2012.

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What we did is we consolidated the programs that were offered in the Stiller Center into

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the tech alliance and effectively, basically, allowed us to reduce the overhead and improve

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the incubation services.

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So as a result, we're in a position where at the end of this year, at the end of 2016, sorry, Martin.

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At the end of 2016, we will no longer be needing the subsidy that the city has been providing the Stiller Center for the last 12 years.

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I understand that the police are looking for some help.

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So I might want to think about it.

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But, failing that, one of the, one of the opportunities, taking those kinds of questions.

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Sorry, sorry.

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Sorry, sorry.

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But one of the opportunities for this $200,000,

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you may be to redirect it into organizations like the ESN, like small business center, like

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tech alliance, who have been masterful at moving the entrepreneurial stream through the process.

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We're very big beneficiaries of that, and our ranking really is attributed to them unless

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less to the specific services that I provide. This gives you a sense of the numbers that have

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occurred since 2011, so you can see the financial turnaround, that the unit is self-sufficient.

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It is, as I say, 100% occupancy, and we're very proud of this particular turnaround, because

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what it does is it's reflective of our entire research parks program.

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In terms of the London Medical Network, this is the network vision, globally recognized,

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globally renowned leader in this roster of services.

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I'm really, really proud to have served as a scribe, and I don't know, underwriter for

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group right group of healthcare leaders in our community who have driven this process over the last

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year and a half. I got a compliment the mayor and Mr. Hayward on their contribution to this

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process. I have to convade my thanks to the previous council who set aside the original money.

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And it's my hope that it's all of our hope, frankly, that this council will now proceed with the final

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talk about when I talk about the network people really don't truly understand what I'm talking

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about and it's very frustrating thing but at the end of the day when I get up in the morning

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this is what I think about. I look at the Mayo Clinic and if you look at the graph in front

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of you they have in the neighborhood of about 40,000 jobs attribable to the or their health sector

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and about 9.1 billion dollars in economic value economic impact is attributable to their

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RSR health sector is actually quite robust by Canadian standards where I think in the top five

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Peter, in terms of a health care and health sector cluster.

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But there is no reason that London cannot move across that pendulum.

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And when I talk about what we're trying to build in terms of the community medical innovation

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network, really at the end of the day, what we're trying to build, there's team-based innovation,

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by actually blending entrepreneurs and industry and our researchers and co-locating them

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together for the express purpose of driving invention, innovation, commercialization, validation,

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and ultimately products and services that not just bring economic good to the community,

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but bring social good to our society.

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And when we look at the organization, we now have a very, very strong organization.

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We have effective game plan where we will be building medical innovation centers.

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These medical innovation centers will be predicated on the various strengths and London's

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research community, we've identified 14 what we call strengths of areas of excellence in medical

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research and this is the first one, MSK and brain health. And our goal is to assemble the

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dollars and the resources together to try and drive this process to create the innovation team,

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the first of what we hope will be ultimately 14 innovation teams all directed towards

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commercialization, economic growth and a wealth creation and social good.

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The returns are fairly impressive.

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The phase one returns alone and you may be already familiar with this from the business

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plan but we're in the range of about 125 million or 12x on the city's investment, 550 long-term

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jobs and we think that's conservative, a fairly strong local ongoing economic contribution,

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and direct contribution and of course an opportunity to enhance lives is 20 million Canadians and one billion people around the world who are suffering from MSK or brain impediments.

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So it's a fairly fairly powerful statement. It gives us a great identity as a community and we think it really is something that we can turn into something that we all can be very, very proud of.

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This is the team, it's a 20 member train currently. A lot of those names you would recognize,

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and they have been all very in-levels committed to this process. Our government council has been

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driving it, and now we're going to be rolling in our business advisory and scientific advice

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remembers. The reason for all of this expertise is we want to make sure that all of the decisions made,

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including the money, all of the investment, if any, that's coming from the civic money,

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our investments that ultimately advance the mission and vision of this particular initiative.

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And as I say, there's a lot of checks and balances in this process.

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The city money is a late, late, late, late.

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Investor, so everybody, the other money has to be at the table. Any new project will never be led by the city. It'll always be led either by the private sector or by alternative funding. And the reason for that is we do not want to put the city money that risk ahead of anybody else.

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In terms of progress to date, the additional operating structure been established.

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At some point, somebody is going to be recruited to replace me. It's going to be very difficult to do because I'm extremely popular.

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But there is going to be a time where somebody is going to have to come in and replace me, ideally somebody with a clinical background, more somebody from the scientific community who has a broad-based background.

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Our job, my job, Peter's job, most of the, what we call the support team, I've been really charged with putting in place the foundation, so people have confidence that there is a strong organization here, it is well governed, well managed, and something that the city can be proud of.

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And we are actively aggressively pursuing research leaders and just

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reporters and projects solicitations as we speak.

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I'm going to turn the floor over now to Peter White and he'll talk about

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AMP and then I'll swing back and we'll bring it home.

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Thanks, Paul.

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So we just wanted to give you a quick update on the Front Offer Project Center and

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the Advanced Manufacturing Park.

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I know over the last three years everyone's seen what was a greenfield site

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now led with three amazing facilities for Western.

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and now a new facility that's also being built in the park by Fanchak College, and I think

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really continuing to expand the vision that was originally set up for innovation

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park phase four.

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Probably one of the tougher things when we originally started with Fraunhofer, is that

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the work we do with Fraunhofer is usually very confidential with the manufacturers of working

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And I know the first two years when we're in front of Council discussing some of the

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accomplishments that we've had has been very difficult because we haven't been able to

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speak directly to some of the clients we're dealing with.

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but we've had an extremely successful year.

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We now have four tenants associated with the work

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we're doing at Fraunhofer, who are at our Collider Center.

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We now have 30 employees, researchers, and associates

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that are associated directly in the work

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that we're doing at the Fraunhofer Center.

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And some great news is that we've really

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started to attract some significant clients.

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So we have a number of automotive, regional equipment

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manufacturers.

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We're working with them.

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We're now publicly able to disclose

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that we've been working with the Ford and General Motors

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to those clients. We're also working with a series of material suppliers such as Hexicon and Hexion

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and Delivell. And we've really been able to reach a really interesting element where we're

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supporting a lot of different phases of the change of the automotive supply chain. The North American

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supply chain is very different from what our European partners at Fraunhofer and Germany have.

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So it's been a good learning experience for them as well to understand some of the pressures

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and some of the different business processes that take place here. And I think we're really

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starting to build on that.

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We're also seeing some big interest in the automotive outside of automotive and the defense,

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the building products, the green energy and consumer sectors.

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The other thing that we know that's going to be coming into place in starting in 2017 and

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then progressing through through to 2025 for the upcoming CAFE Vehicle Mission Legislation.

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If every auto manufacturer decided they wanted to build hybrid cars or electric vehicles,

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There's only enough battery production worldwide of lithium-ion batteries to support 15% of the

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world's automotive production.

427
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,240
So the only thing the auto manufacturers are going to be able to do is get the weight of the

428
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,120
vehicles to meet these new restrictions and we're really starting to see that take place.

429
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:34,160
The other great thing is that the FPC is now the center point of the international composite

430
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,820
research center and this is something that Western is set up with 12 partners from around

431
00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:38,540
the globe.

432
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,900
We're getting international attention bringing international researchers and again really able

433
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:48,220
to put some great focus on the technologies and the processes that we have here in London.

434
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,840
The other really exciting thing is now with the second funding stage that we receive from

435
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,140
Fed Devon Ontario.

436
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:59,820
We now have three global first technologies, so London Center has three things not available

437
00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:03,640
anywhere else in the world for light waiting, and we have three North American first.

438
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,860
So this means that we really are cutting edge and have an availability and a capability

439
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:10,380
that aren't able to be found anywhere else worldwide.

440
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:16,580
The other great thing is through a process we've been working off the last year we've made two specific

441
00:34:16,580 --> 00:34:32,320
hires at the FPC initially everybody is thinking we're just doing engineering, we're just doing the research work but we actually have hired two certified technical people to work at the center which allowed us to pass all the Ontario Ministry of Labor requirements so that we can actually do prototype production.

442
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:39,160
So we can actually do ongoing production of parts and why this is going to be important in working with both the Canadian federal governments.

443
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,380
So we know that as the auto supply chain moves to Mexico, the US Southwest, potentially some

444
00:34:44,380 --> 00:34:48,280
of the things to Asia, the Canadian, the Ontario, the one that suppliers are really going

445
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,700
to have to focus on being able to produce products that have great engineering and have

446
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:54,060
a lot of advancement in them.

447
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:57,500
And so one of the things we'll be able to do at the center now is that if one of our companies

448
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:02,940
has a great idea on how to take a metal part, turn it into a composite part, not only can we

449
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:07,700
help them design that, do the validation, figure the best material and produce it, but what

450
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,200
We can do with that as well as do full prototype production, so it would mean a company

451
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,180
rather than having to go to maybe invest $10 or $15 million right off the bat to bid

452
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:20,900
to an OEM, they'll be actually to use the front-offer project center as the base at producing

453
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:26,320
their first 500 or 1000 prototype parts, and with that full certification, we've actually had

454
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,660
our first client, unfortunately, not from London, it was a Windsor company but we got all the

455
00:35:31,660 --> 00:35:35,540
certification through and they were actually able to get an order with the company they've

456
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:40,320
never dealt with in California, and are going to be able to move ahead with some great orders.

457
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,340
We've also had great research support from the province and the federal government.

458
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,520
You'll see some announcements coming up about or F funding that we're going to be very excited about.

459
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,560
And as well we've had a great partnership with LADC in the Front Offer Project Center.

460
00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:01,000
We've done four different seminars of various sides bringing in composite general manufacturers working at specific item.

461
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,980
We took the opportunity with LEDC's best defense conference to have actually a series of tours

462
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:10,320
with a variety of different defense companies, so it's been a great partnership.

463
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:15,620
We've also been recognized as a national center of excellence for the production of lightweight materials.

464
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,760
So really, our goal now is to continue to build on those strong partnerships across the province, across Canada,

465
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:29,300
and take the opportunity again with our front-offer partners to build more opportunities with the global OEMs and global supply chain.

466
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:35,220
And just a couple of other economic development initiatives, Paul touched on really that Western

467
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:40,100
doesn't know it's got an important role and we're happy to be a partner in the development

468
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,240
of the economic roadmap.

469
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,840
For some of you who've made not seen our KPMG report that was released earlier this year,

470
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,800
it showed that we are contributing from a Western over all standpoint, $3.1 billion in economic

471
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,660
impact in London.

472
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,260
And one question we get asked on a continual basis is what impact do the students have?

473
00:36:56,260 --> 00:37:00,340
Well, between the students and visitors, it's $500 million in direct spending into the economy

474
00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:01,820
and London just to give you an idea.

475
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:07,660
Another really exciting announcement that we had in April and pleased to say things are moving

476
00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:11,600
ahead of full speed as the movement of our roll-barks clinical trial group.

477
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,280
The team Lisa Harrison and her team of doing a phenomenal job.

478
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,700
That group had about 25 employees four years ago and the exciting news is we're going to

479
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,400
be moving the end of January with 105 jobs into the downtown.

480
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,300
we're taking an entire floor at the bell building and going to be again looking at growth and

481
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:33,200
we know we're going to be adding additional staff members through Q1.

482
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,580
So I think from our standpoint that's one of the most important contributions we can bring

483
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:41,940
back to the city to bring 105 high-tech jobs into the downtown.

484
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:48,300
And as I mentioned earlier we're a strong partner in the economic roadmap planning and I think

485
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:52,280
we know some of the roles we can continue to contribute with and we're really happy to

486
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,080
the city.

487
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:04,900
I just wanted to add this one slide here. Well, two slides because I think it's

488
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:09,020
noteworthy. We don't necessarily generate a lot of press on our Asia operation, but we

489
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:14,400
wanted to at least acclimate you to it and also share with you a little bit of fun. So currently,

490
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,480
for those of you who don't know, we have three offices in Asia, Nanjing, Tanging and Hong Kong,

491
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,400
We have five FTEs full-time.

492
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,820
We are the first technology transfer university-based offices

493
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:29,600
in mainland China.

494
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:32,860
We joined MIT and Oxford in that regard.

495
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,600
We have three, which is more than anyone else.

496
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,280
We've done more deals than anyone else.

497
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,660
They're value now at $4 million.

498
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
We have figured out how to do transactions with China.

499
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:46,080
We're able to secure the currency and bring it

500
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,340
to intercandidate for a purpose of advancing research.

501
00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:52,300
We did the first joint venture ever executed

502
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:53,700
between a North American university

503
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,680
spin-off in a Chinese multinational.

504
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,080
And I'm proud to say that one of our joint ventures

505
00:38:58,820 --> 00:39:02,080
recently was listed on the Shanghai Stock Exchange,

506
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,880
which is the first university spin-off

507
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,160
if it's kind of do that.

508
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:08,280
I don't own any serious personally,

509
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,060
but I think Western will do quite well.

510
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,900
And now we're representing seven Ontario universities.

511
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:15,940
The reason I bring this up is that it would be very helpful

512
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:23,240
given the city's interest in this part of the world, if World Discovery's Asia served as a

513
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:29,180
valuable portal, the resources are already on the ground and able to assist. And as a resource,

514
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,200
we should be leveraging, because the mayor and I have had this conversation a few times,

515
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:40,800
it's my firm belief given the situations in China with respect to air quality that you're going

516
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,240
see a lot of capital and a lot of people and a lot of talent moving this way and if we're

517
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:49,320
well positioned we could actually turn that to our advantage in terms of economic growth and

518
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,720
development. So it's great to have these offices there and we wanted to at least make those

519
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:59,220
assets available to the community. The other one that we're working on is an initiative we're calling

520
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:04,160
innovation village. We're not seeking any money or anything like that, but what we're looking to

521
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,300
do is build an identity or an enterprise and the north end of the community that emulates what's

522
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:14,780
on and places like velocity and community tech and even Mars, it would be the best known

523
00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:15,100
model.

524
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,780
We currently have this property windmir manner, which most people are familiar with, and we

525
00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:23,880
will continue to sustain that operation for a little while, but ultimately the goal is

526
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,280
to migrate it towards an initiative that better reflects the mission of the university.

527
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:33,260
So we are starting with the first phase of our work in that area.

528
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,380
This is a self-funded initiative.

529
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:38,620
It's going to be about a million dollars, and we're going to start to work our way

530
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:43,520
through the conference center and then the hotel and eventually hopefully add on some facilities

531
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,300
for the purpose of creating what we think will be a unique statement piece around entrepreneurship,

532
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,440
spin-off, start-ups, and a really cool environment which to do it.

533
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:55,940
So we're really excited about this thing.

534
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,460
It's going to take a few years because we're self-funding and our real primary focus right now

535
00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:03,000
is to secure support funding for the network.

536
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,520
The parks overall goals remain unchanged, we're really our focus on building our communities

537
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:14,140
brand building economic and social value. We continue to maintain our anchor and incubator balance

538
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,440
and we continue to drive what we call our research agenda in each of the respective parks,

539
00:41:20,780 --> 00:41:25,080
pursue new industry partners and trumpet, our tenant successes. And the big thing with the parks

540
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:31,120
is I always tell people this, I have the best job easily in London because I get to see first hand

541
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,720
some of the creative work and some of the wonderful things that is going to be much more mainstream

542
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:44,340
in the coming years. And what's really fascinating about it now is that London no longer has what I consider an emerging technology sector.

543
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:53,000
It's here. It's robust. It's powerful. It's everywhere. It's evading every crevice of the place and it's really really exciting to see it.

544
00:41:53,180 --> 00:42:01,060
Someday soon, it will be in the mainstream media and it will show up and people start to see it.

545
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:05,020
Some of it now, but at the end of the day, this is no longer an emerging center.

546
00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:09,060
This is a leading technology center, and it's something we can be very proud of.

547
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:13,840
So our remaining game plan is around the Innovation Funding and of course the network.

548
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,620
So my next role, once this money is released and I'm hoping Martin that we can get her done,

549
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,100
is that we start to seek funding to build the home.

550
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:28,300
At the end of the day, the co-location of an enterprise,

551
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:30,420
at the co-location of these innovation teams,

552
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,960
and a concentrated environment,

553
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,360
is something that this particular network requires very much.

554
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,800
And we've been tapping on the door of the federal government.

555
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:42,000
We're very hopeful that the change in government

556
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,660
will be of some assistance to us.

557
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:48,680
And if the council can play any role going forward in this initiative,

558
00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:51,760
it's, and I know you have a lot of asks out there,

559
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,680
and a lot of priorities, and I respect that.

560
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,660
But if Council can do anything in terms of prioritization, this has to be one of the top ones.

561
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,940
We need the communities advocacy to suggest that this is paramount to our success,

562
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:11,320
and we want to in place so that we have a destination, a home that we call the London Medical Network.

563
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,040
With that, I'll be happy to take any questions and really really thank you for your attention and all your support,

564
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,020
this particular initiative, as well as all the other ones at Western.

565
00:43:21,340 --> 00:43:22,720
Thank you.

566
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:23,400
Thank you.

567
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:24,400
And I'll start with a speaker's list.

568
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:28,100
I'd invite both you and Mr. White to just rise and stay podium.

569
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:29,720
It's very exciting.

570
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:35,660
I think that there is clear alignment with our community economic roadmap, and speaking

571
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:40,480
specifically about the medical commercialization network when you reference the Mayo Clinic

572
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:40,860
comparison.

573
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,400
It really helps us focus on what London could be.

574
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,700
So thanks for the presentation.

575
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:47,220
I imagine there would be some good discussion in lots of questions.

576
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,300
We'll start with Councillor Zafan.

577
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:54,250
Thank you.

578
00:43:54,470 --> 00:44:01,710
I just have a quick question, and then I may have some questions after, but we're also going through a report on this, and item number six.

579
00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:10,350
I'm just wondering if I don't have to speak because we're going to stick around for that, or we want substantial questions now, or at that point of time, because they are somewhat related.

580
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:15,960
I think it's great opportunity to ask those questions.

581
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,920
There may be some questions that need to be dealt with in camera, but we'll just see how it goes.

582
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:31,210
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, through you to our guests, soon spoke of 14 medical

583
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:33,670
innovation centers, where would those be located?

584
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:45,380
Councillor, to be honest, I mean we got to get up the first one first and the science

585
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:46,200
has to be refined.

586
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,420
There's a lot brighter people who are going to ultimately determine the where and how.

587
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,160
But the envisioned is not to necessarily have it all concentrated at the university.

588
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,780
It could be very much spread throughout the city.

589
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,980
It ultimately will be decided by...

590
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,460
Is the best proximity, because proximity is really important, particularly to our industry partners, the proximity to the assets that they need from our research community, so it could very well be near hospitals or other locations such as that, but it's the linkages to the talent as much as it is to any like the actual commercial property itself.

591
00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:22,180
Councillor Burke.

592
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:32,220
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to speak an optimism about how fortunate we as a city are to have such great post-secondary educational institutions that play that leadership role in the community.

593
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:38,060
and it's really heartening to see that community atmosphere there and it really makes me happy

594
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:42,700
to see those anchor institutions really moving forward and sending the elevator back down.

595
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,520
It's just making me feel good as being a Londoner and also as a city council here, so thank

596
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,520
you for that.

597
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:49,730
Councillor Tritter.

598
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,140
I was an expecting to be up so soon.

599
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:53,940
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

600
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:55,820
It's room, Mr. Chair.

601
00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:57,280
Just thank you for the presentation.

602
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,160
I just had a quick question if you might perhaps, Mr. White might be in the best position

603
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:10,840
or Mr. Plato. One of the concerns I've heard in the past was with regard to Western's policies

604
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:18,180
on intellectual property. And as part of this network, I see success of such a medical innovation

605
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:25,720
network being predicated upon perhaps latitude within that area. Are those areas that are being

606
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,340
contemplated for adjustment?

607
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:35,110
So, thank you for the question. I couldn't ask for a better segway. So, in my capacity

608
00:46:35,110 --> 00:46:39,650
at World of Discovery's Asia, and a lot of people don't know this, but we made a material

609
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:45,710
change to our IP policy that now become as manifested itself through all of our programs,

610
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:51,550
and it's around adventure choice. So, there was, from there, with inventor-owned and institutional-owned.

611
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:55,870
What we did is we allowed the inventor to make the determination if they want to retain the

612
00:46:55,870 --> 00:47:01,710
and go out and go forward with it, and then we, but if they want to use the institutional

613
00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:08,610
resources for marketing and support and legal and all that other stuff, we will then

614
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:12,930
retain a certain percentage of that, and we will retain an ownership and represent them

615
00:47:12,930 --> 00:47:13,370
effectively.

616
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:20,570
When it comes to the research projects themselves, that's always a difficult, it's always almost

617
00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:28,730
case-by-case basis. We find that some organizations are much more free with background

618
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:33,850
IP, for example. Other organizations are much more focused and want to turn it directly

619
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:39,610
into a contract research role. Our objective is ultimately to maximize the return to the

620
00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:43,250
community. I mean, and that applies to everything. So we want it to go to the researcher

621
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:47,710
and to the community ultimately. Yes, Western would like to get its piece of the pie, but

622
00:47:47,710 --> 00:47:49,730
Western is never going to make its money on IP.

623
00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:54,410
It's going to make its up where the opportunities for Western are the advancement of the

624
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:59,870
University brand, the advancement of the research mission, and that kind of thing.

625
00:48:00,490 --> 00:48:05,910
So I really think actually we have one of the more progressive IP policies now in North American

626
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:06,190
fact.

627
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:07,530
It's been written up to that effect.

628
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:11,210
So I really think that's going to be less of an issue and more of an opportunity for us

629
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:11,910
going forward.

630
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:19,390
I guess there's Armstrong and usher, no additional for the first round.

631
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:27,370
Well, first of all through your workshop, but thank you for your presentation, quick and precise.

632
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:34,750
I guess the thing is listening to this, I just wanted to sort of understand a little bit more about the Chinese connection

633
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:43,310
and how that works because it sounded to me like, you know, you're developing partnerships there

634
00:48:43,310 --> 00:48:52,290
product research development here. How does that sort of unfold down the road? Are you sort

635
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:57,930
of protecting our turf in that if there's new product new innovation when you partner

636
00:48:58,710 --> 00:49:06,330
with industries in China and they're over here using our innovation, our research. Are they

637
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:11,750
going to be manufacturing these products or using this research here or are you just sort

638
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:24,230
is it that goes back to China and then we don't reap the benefits of the, you know, so if you can sort of make me understand how that works and how do you protect their interests?

639
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:27,610
Great question, Councillor.

640
00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:35,550
So what we've done with China is a lot of the technologies are what we call in the later stages of its IP cycle.

641
00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:38,310
So we haven't been able to secure North American investors,

642
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:42,350
we haven't been able to secure seed funding any of that sort of thing.

643
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:46,050
Chinese capital is a lot more aggressive and fluid right now.

644
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:48,590
And so what we have, so technologies of what other

645
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:51,410
why sit on the shelf have become deployable.

646
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:53,810
And so the deals that we've been struck in the two

647
00:49:53,810 --> 00:49:56,010
to rejoin venture deals that we struck that are,

648
00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:59,870
of no, in both cases, what we do is we develop the R&D here.

649
00:49:59,990 --> 00:50:01,230
So there are jobs here.

650
00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:04,470
Now, in fairness, the Chinese have been doing what they want

651
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:09,790
do the manufacturing and they do create jobs over there and they do have a lower cost

652
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:15,270
based in which to do that but the R&D has always been remained here where we benefit

653
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:20,350
again is on the distribution so they will take distribution rights in China we will have

654
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:24,770
distribution rights the joint venture will for the globe what that does is generate income

655
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:31,590
which generates opportunities to drive further R&D so we've it's it's not ideal but a lot

656
00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:36,630
a lot of the technologies that we're moving to China, our technologies that might not have

657
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:41,810
otherwise ever end up in the marketplace. So it's do it there or don't do it at all.

658
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:46,830
Thanks Russia.

659
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:53,720
Thank you Mr. Chair and gentlemen, thank you very very much for a very impressive

660
00:50:54,860 --> 00:51:01,360
doer, doer, doer, presentation, really appreciated, almost like Martin Jeff. But you did well.

661
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,490
I have three simple questions from where I ask all three of them is a chair all at once.

662
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,700
It was difficult one might be the follow-up on Councillor Armstrong.

663
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,420
Have you looked at any, what we might be heading in the future,

664
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:22,460
with respect to the European Union trade agreement as well as the Pacific Trade Agreement.

665
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Canada has with those places.

666
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,020
Number one, number two, the easiest one is we'll be able to get a copy of your presentation.

667
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,620
And the last one is something that I would not be sitting here if I wouldn't ask you the question.

668
00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:40,520
I look at the board of directors, all mail or white mail.

669
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,540
Perhaps, I'm not criticizing it because you have to start somewhere.

670
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:50,820
But I would hope that somewhere done the way we're going to have a little bit of diversity.

671
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:55,960
Well, thank you for the question, Councillor.

672
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,660
The board of directors is not all white males.

673
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:04,100
I mean, it does have a large number, but we do have female representation on the board as well.

674
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:09,340
We definitely recognize that as an issue, probably one of the bigger challenges when you have

675
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,360
a commitment to a board that requires a lot of time and effort and is a volunteer board,

676
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:19,660
the number of candidates that we have available to us along with some of the rules that the

677
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:21,640
University of Western Ontario Act requires.

678
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:26,680
We do not have as much freedom as we'd like to be able to put forward representatives.

679
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,820
And you know, a good example is our faculty representatives, they have a group of representatives

680
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:36,300
on the board, but the faculty representation then votes who each of those members are going

681
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:36,680
to be.

682
00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:42,320
So, we do want to over time continue to get a better reflection of diversity on the board.

683
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:48,120
But I think we have a strong board right now, and we'll continue to work towards that.

684
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,580
In regards to the trade partnerships, the European Free Trade Agreement did not get signed

685
00:52:53,580 --> 00:53:00,180
to the elections. So the details of that are still underway. It's anticipated that Canada and

686
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:04,980
Europe will develop an agreement for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I mean, the document

687
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:10,480
6,000 pages. So there's an awful lot there. But I think again, looking at it, there's going to be

688
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,260
there will be some winners and some losers in Canada. I think anybody that's read

689
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:18,300
processing that there is going to be pressure potentially in the auto parts sector. There may

690
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,440
be some other pressures on manufacturing, but there are going to be areas in food processing,

691
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,240
in research and development and health care different areas that we can take advantage of.

692
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,000
So I think it's really going to be so important for particularly community areas to decide

693
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,620
where those changes happen.

694
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:40,220
I mean, London certainly seen a couple of major changes take place when the original free trade

695
00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:46,200
agreement took place in the 80s and then what's happened through the recession from 2007 to 2012.

696
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:50,620
So I think again, it's great that the economic road map's been completed because then we

697
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:54,720
and what could that as far as what priorities would be best for all the partners together

698
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:00,000
whether it's LEDC, the chamber, the city, our local business partners to get together

699
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,320
with, and then how Western can help support that.

700
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:07,780
Oh yeah, and we'll definitely get copies out of the presentation for you.

701
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,640
Thank you for first round. I have councillors Helmer and Hopkins.

702
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:19,500
Thanks very much for the presentation. I covered a lot of different organizations in addition

703
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:21,740
to the stuff, specifically about the lot of medical network.

704
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:23,940
So first my question is about the name,

705
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,120
because it's recently, as I wrote map,

706
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:28,080
it was called something different.

707
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,400
So if you could speak to the change in the terminology,

708
00:54:33,090 --> 00:54:34,790
what, the London Medical Network name?

709
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:37,550
It's actually more of a description than it is the name.

710
00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:39,870
We're using it just because we need to give it some sort

711
00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:40,350
of identity.

712
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:44,170
The expectation or hope is that we,

713
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:46,790
I mean at the end of the day, if I had my brother,

714
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:48,230
so I'd like to find a benefactor.

715
00:54:48,550 --> 00:54:50,550
I'd like to find a benefactor that we name the whole thing

716
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:54,810
after. I think it's going to be a big number. But I think one of the things I'd love to do is

717
00:54:54,810 --> 00:55:02,110
see us self-enance through a benefactor. Because at the end of the day, I hate having

718
00:55:02,110 --> 00:55:06,590
to run down the road to ask for money all the time and to get these things started. It's

719
00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:11,810
just you're always, you're always, be held to the rules and conditions around that. So the

720
00:55:11,810 --> 00:55:15,530
name right now is more of a description. It's a placeholder. We'll use it for the time being.

721
00:55:15,810 --> 00:55:20,490
It'll always be identified with London. But I think it would be very cool if we could

722
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:23,530
if we could trade the name of this enterprise,

723
00:55:23,710 --> 00:55:27,010
this ultimate enterprise, for something that helps kickstarted

724
00:55:27,010 --> 00:55:28,450
and gets it really going for the community.

725
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:34,700
Interesting.

726
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,960
So I'm looking at the 2004

727
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:42,200
executive summary around the medical innovation

728
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,480
and commercialization network.

729
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,680
And at that time, it was kind of the first three phases

730
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,820
when I'll be focused on the discovery park.

731
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:50,200
Is that still the plan?

732
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,380
Is that, you know, you talked about having the musculoskeletal

733
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:58,640
one brain health one, but then the next two are about biomedical devices and biomedical imaging.

734
00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:02,980
I just wonder if that's still the general plan and if you're still thinking at Discovery Park.

735
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:09,600
Yes, the answer is short term answer is yes and really the only reason is the proximity

736
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:15,180
to the university. That is the secret sauce to help getting the industry partners. We think we're

737
00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:20,420
going to need to help drive each one of those particular phases. The phases may change,

738
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:25,180
priorities may change other than MSK, but the expectation is the first three

739
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:27,560
centers would be located at the Discovery Park.

740
00:56:31,260 --> 00:56:35,580
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank

741
00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:42,300
you very much for the presentation. I was interested in the slide back regarding

742
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:47,660
the board of directors, the structure, if you could explain a little bit more

743
00:56:47,660 --> 00:56:54,800
There were three groups there, and also how you do report back to the city and ultimately

744
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,720
to Council.

745
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Great questions today.

746
00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:05,660
So the makeup of the governing council is actually a member from the private sector.

747
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:10,840
Well, two members from the private sector, as well as each one of the institutional senior

748
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,180
people.

749
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:16,840
So the two presidents from the hospitals, the Vice President of Research from the University,

750
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,020
as well as the two the Dean of Faculty from the Schulich School of Medicine and the Director

751
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,220
Scientific Director for Lawson Health Research.

752
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:30,540
So we probably have in the room at the same time, oh, no disrespect to the mayor of

753
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:33,420
Martin, but they're also part of the team to keep an eye on us.

754
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:40,500
But we probably have from a leadership perspective, all of the key elements of the healthcare

755
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:40,960
group.

756
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,520
But what we wanted to do was make sure that we had a strong business acumen and we wanted

757
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:52,680
have a strong scientific acumen without creating such a large organization that becomes difficult

758
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,160
to manage.

759
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,200
So we go with the tight group of the governing council, and then we have these business

760
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,360
advisories and scientific advisory groups that will ultimately vet the various proposals

761
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,100
that come through.

762
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:07,600
It gives that level of assurance to both the governing council and ultimately to you and the community

763
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,680
that every investment made is in accordance with the principal set of by the network plan.

764
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:19,020
With respect to the reporting back to the city, I think it would the agreement currently

765
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,500
calls for, I think, an annual report of some form.

766
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:24,600
I like the idea of sometimes coming and doing the face-to-face.

767
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,240
I can do that, sorry, the net, or we can do that, or we can do a written report or a

768
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:30,620
combination.

769
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,900
But I really like the idea of proactively coming to council, because I think at the end of

770
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:39,660
the day, I know the community and road map envisioned some sort of a group in between.

771
00:58:39,860 --> 00:58:40,880
I like coming to council.

772
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,620
I think at the end of the day, you have to look at the community in the eye, you're the

773
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:47,220
representatives of the community, you're the ones with the highest vested interest in these

774
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:47,700
things.

775
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,740
And, you know, as long as I go quickly, I think it's a useful exercise.

776
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:52,760
So thanks.

777
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:58,600
Councillor Squire.

778
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,040
Thank you, Mr. Sharon, for you.

779
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,940
I think it's really important, at least for me, as the Council for Ward 6, where the

780
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:10,420
University is located, to point out how pleased I am about the number of times I've heard

781
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:14,500
the idea, the London community being mentioned, along with Western University.

782
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:19,300
And that's important to everybody in London is particularly important to the people in my

783
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:24,300
ward to know that we're neighbors, that the people in Ward 6 and the University are neighbors.

784
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:29,060
And since I've been accounts, I've certainly realized a number of things, countless things

785
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:32,380
that the university and the city are involved together in.

786
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,460
And that brings a great deal of comfort to me as a political representative, and also a great deal

787
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:42,360
of trust in the relationship that the Western's interests are London's interests.

788
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,060
So I want to thank you for that.

789
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:47,160
I, obviously, this is a sort of approving to me

790
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,740
that the principles of the economic roadmap

791
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:52,880
have already started and that we're already working on

792
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,220
and that we have the ability to do that.

793
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,320
So you're getting a big, big thank you certainly

794
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,220
from me and the people who live in my work for the world.

795
01:00:03,310 --> 01:00:11,690
Thank you, Councillor. I don't have any additional for the first round. So I will go to the second. I have Councillor Zafeman, Van Holston, I'm strong.

796
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:20,730
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I guess I'll just quickly echo my colleague's comments already, but obviously a lot of really incredible things that are being done.

797
01:00:21,110 --> 01:00:32,690
I have a question in the community. I know that early this year had a chance to explore Fraunhofer and the windy dome with Mr. White, and it's pretty incredible to see some of the stuff that's happening there and really incredible that it's happening.

798
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:37,890
Monday it really is internationally renowned for what is taking place there. I wanted to speak

799
01:00:37,890 --> 01:00:43,030
with the more in terms of questions around the medical commercialization or medical invasion

800
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:49,330
commercialization network. I know I was had a chance to get earlier today the executive summary

801
01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:56,090
from the March 2014 strategic plan and just raise some questions for me around some of what

802
01:00:56,090 --> 01:01:01,070
exactly we're talking about. I'm trying to understand a little bit around the fact we talk about

803
01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:06,870
having multiple pillars. That will be taking place as part of this network and that the first pillar

804
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:12,090
is all that we're talking about so far. And so I'm curious what the other pillars would be

805
01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:14,690
that we're talking about because I didn't really find much mention of them.

806
01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:22,370
So the next one was around simulation medical devices in biomedical imaging. Those are kind of

807
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:27,910
the latter two phases. They are mentioned briefly in the executive summary, but there's very

808
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:33,210
be on the first phase or the first pillar at this point. I think the expectation we

809
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:36,670
have in the first pillar is we have to prove out the model. I think before we start to

810
01:01:36,670 --> 01:01:42,650
get really ramp up new sectors and new areas there are 14 areas all of which consider themselves

811
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:47,570
priorities by the way. So they all have great teams, talent and all of them have an interest in

812
01:01:47,570 --> 01:01:53,850
seeing themselves second, third, fourth, fifth and so on. So if I'm being a bit ambiguous in my answer

813
01:01:53,850 --> 01:02:04,850
I'm not a skilled at this as maybe political people, but but but I the reason ultimately the reason is two and three and four and so on will follow from from what we learned in one face one

814
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:14,200
Thank you for that and I guess it's just for me. There's some maybe similarities in terms of the language as being used for pillars and phases

815
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:23,560
And some of the phases that you're talking about there there are phases as part of what's called the first pillar. So I guess maybe of those 14. There's other ones just aren't included in here

816
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,660
The next question I had was, and this is just maybe a new one that was missed or changed,

817
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:33,760
but I know that in what's coming to us today, and what was on the screen,

818
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,000
there was an estimated 550 jobs that are coming from this report,

819
01:02:38,260 --> 01:02:40,200
and it talks about the fact that there's 400 jobs that are coming.

820
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:42,920
And so obviously more jobs is better.

821
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,360
I'm just wondering why that was an increase from this report to the next of 150 jobs.

822
01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:52,810
So basically the reason is, is when we reassess the situation,

823
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:56,150
and we think there's a greater opportunity to secure more industry partners.

824
01:02:56,770 --> 01:03:00,650
At the end of the day, the entrepreneurial stream and the spin-off stream is a good one.

825
01:03:00,930 --> 01:03:05,370
But the real secret sauce in this plan is around attracting industry partners that might not

826
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:08,530
otherwise land in London or look to locate at London.

827
01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:13,070
And what we look to do is we look to secure a piece of their R&D business and then build

828
01:03:13,070 --> 01:03:14,270
the relationship from there.

829
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:18,350
I can't reveal any of the vendor names that we're targeting, but I'll give you an example.

830
01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:22,130
So one of the vendors we're looking at is ultimately looking at setting up some sort

831
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:26,010
functionality, I really have to be careful when I say, but they're looking to set up some sort

832
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:28,090
of functionality and partner with our research teams.

833
01:03:28,590 --> 01:03:32,550
They're also very interested in securing access to some of the students that graduate from

834
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:35,670
the program out of the MSK research cluster.

835
01:03:36,570 --> 01:03:43,670
Their hope is that if all goes well, they will set up a much manufacturing center along the lines

836
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:49,390
where you would be mass producing the medical devices that were created in our innovation

837
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:49,810
center.

838
01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:55,710
So, I mean, I can't get much further than that, but the ultimate target for our role, my role,

839
01:03:55,990 --> 01:04:00,490
is to start to pull in some of these industry players that, again, would not necessarily look elsewhere

840
01:04:00,490 --> 01:04:03,770
or outside of London, at two London, previously.

841
01:04:06,860 --> 01:04:08,160
Through the chair, thanks for that clarification.

842
01:04:09,020 --> 01:04:11,400
And I'm very glad to hear you speak about opportunities for students.

843
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,100
And I know that one of the goals for the network is creating opportunities, long-term employment opportunities,

844
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,340
for youth graduating and for local businesses. That's great.

845
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:24,380
One thing I know that was talked about recently, which I don't think I was hoping to clarify,

846
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,320
was a question around the fact that the past Fed dev did not give funding for this

847
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:30,780
project.

848
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,560
And obviously, that's a big key component piece because it talks about in this plan that

849
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,020
needed to secure $37 million in cash investment before really getting started.

850
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:39,960
And so, a big chunk of that's already there.

851
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,780
But I'm wondering, I haven't heard much of a reason as to why that funding wasn't necessarily

852
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:47,460
provided or given if it was the government of the day in decisions based off that or if there

853
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:49,520
some more substantive reason behind it.

854
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,380
There were really, I think, three realities that took place with what we're working through

855
01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:01,780
with FedDev.

856
01:05:01,780 --> 01:05:07,180
We've been very successful as a city in a community with FedDev programs, and really with

857
01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:12,080
the latest launch and with the demands that came through, some of the parameters of what we

858
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:18,240
applied under originally were altered, and areas where we traditionally had been able to gain

859
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:24,560
funding, particularly in building the bricks and mortar infrastructure were set so that they

860
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:30,100
We're focused more on programs and they're focused on more of the innovation agendas, is really

861
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:36,540
where one of the big changes took place, so we've actually had very strong discussions with

862
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:41,000
Fed Dev on how we need to look at our plan and which will be the best way for us to meet

863
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:45,980
the parameters they're looking at and we're anticipating that with the new government they'll

864
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:51,300
probably create some other priorities around things they want to see Fed Dev support and once

865
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:55,740
we better understand that then we'll be able to go back in with an updated application.

866
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:01,180
And I think given that we do have a strong job quotient to it and a number of strong partners

867
01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:02,900
we'll be able to take to the application.

868
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:07,980
We will have a good opportunity and a good capability success.

869
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:14,440
Councillor Vain, host, Armstrong, and Turner.

870
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,200
Thank you Mr. Chair and through you, through all of your accomplishments, I think through

871
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,580
three great goals would it be best to be first, to be self-sustaining and you've hit

872
01:06:25,580 --> 01:06:32,640
all of those at times. I want to ask you about your manufacturing capacity. You're going to be

873
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:38,180
doing prototyping, which is very exciting, but that's usually an intermittent thing. Do you have

874
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:43,580
plans to use the the latent capacity on a regular basis?

875
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:48,900
Is this a question that goes to the front

876
01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:49,280
of the front officer?

877
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:59,640
Yes, I think. One of the goals we have with the front officer is to maximize

878
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,380
as much time usage in the facility as possible.

879
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,640
So one of the things we've been able to do with the certification is we're allowed to actually

880
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,760
operate the facility and again we're in the correct zoning area that we can actually

881
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,420
then do later hour operations and as well as weekend operations.

882
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:21,620
We have actually in our case some great opportunities for our engineers and our technicians

883
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:26,420
to also educate the students as we work through some of this so what we will be able to

884
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:37,420
As in a case where, you know, right now we're running it about a three to four month backlog on testing, depending on the technology, which is about where you want to be with a research and development center.

885
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:43,420
Generally takes us 60 days to get everything set up relative to how the research will take place in acquiring the materials.

886
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,280
But one of the things we are looking at right now is we are really only operating the center at eight or nine hours a day.

887
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,120
So if we have a client who comes to us and said,

888
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:53,760
we want to develop this technology,

889
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:55,600
we'd also then produce some prototype parts.

890
01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:58,300
We now do have the capability to go into a later

891
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,540
our production run or also go into the weekends.

892
01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:04,620
Because the equipment that we have is made for industrial applications.

893
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,940
I mean, it would be three or four years down the road from now.

894
01:08:08,140 --> 01:08:09,320
We'll start seeing some of the equipment.

895
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:11,540
We have our types of styles of it.

896
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,000
In some of the main OEM and the main parts suppliers.

897
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,320
So it's made to run 24-7 if that's something

898
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,920
that we have the capability and really the financial resources to do.

899
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,460
So as long as the company is willing to

900
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:26,100
again support the operational cost for us,

901
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,080
we can go to longer hours rather than just our typical

902
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,800
eight or nine hour day that we have today.

903
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:35,150
That's our Armstrong intern.

904
01:08:39,790 --> 01:08:42,810
Through you worship and I hope I'm that too off track here,

905
01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:45,770
but you sort of keep my interest in a couple areas

906
01:08:45,770 --> 01:08:50,410
with some of your comments and back to China a bit.

907
01:08:50,410 --> 01:09:05,230
You mentioned that a lot of products would potentially not see R&D, you know, would stay on the shelf unless, you know, you entered into agreements with Chinese manufacturers.

908
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:08,310
Whatever the case may be.

909
01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:38,290
And so I'm just wondering because these products that you talk about that would have stayed on the shelf if you didn't, and of course somebody's making a decision that they would stay on the shelf, you know, I don't know who that is or how that works, but in any event, what I'm getting to know, you can address this, this is that, is there a flaw in what's going on?

910
01:09:38,290 --> 01:09:42,990
that products would sit on the shelf that we have to go out and look to partnerships

911
01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:48,110
in places like China, then end up giving up a piece of the pie where they're doing

912
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:54,510
manufacturing, even if it's only for distribution in China and you've got other deals

913
01:09:55,130 --> 01:09:57,430
cooked, you know, worked in there.

914
01:09:57,850 --> 01:10:05,490
Somebody letting us down by us not having those products do we do the R&D, whatever area

915
01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:12,430
in and the manufacturing's happening here because that's the problem here where we've lost

916
01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:21,030
our manufacturing and to see new products develop new ideas, innovation and then for somebody

917
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:26,890
for you to have to go out and partner somewhere else and we lose that capacity, that

918
01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:33,380
opportunity. I sort of have an issue with that. Are we missing something there because they're

919
01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:39,080
the shelf. And the second part that I hope you'll address is, you mentioned, well, you know,

920
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:47,820
China, they can manufacture and you sort of touched on labor. Is that what the issue is as well?

921
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:56,840
The labor cost, uh, it manufactured, and is that an issue? And so I know this is a right on,

922
01:10:57,140 --> 01:11:01,140
but I sort of, because you too now, I've spent a lot of time in this area, it's sort of

923
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:04,220
like to know your thoughts in those two areas.

924
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,040
I'll go very quickly.

925
01:11:07,420 --> 01:11:09,040
Really, it's a question of capital, counselor.

926
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:15,220
Canada, like it or not, just does not have the market size or the capital base

927
01:11:15,220 --> 01:11:20,300
to make sometimes the investments required to drive these types of initiatives.

928
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,140
So it's not for lack of trying.

929
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:26,660
We obviously try to push the technologies into the North American marketplace.

930
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:28,040
It's easier for us to service.

931
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,880
They usually manifest itself in additional research contracts, that sort of thing.

932
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:36,400
But the Chinese have been very aggressive and they have a lot of capital.

933
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:37,840
We just don't in this country.

934
01:11:38,660 --> 01:11:40,380
And so that's a frustration.

935
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:47,120
In terms of the manufacturing, I think it's less of a labor differential as it is that because they've made the investment,

936
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:49,820
they want to have some control over the means of production.

937
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:55,400
So what we're doing a lot over there, and there's not a lot of manufacturing,

938
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,540
we're not talking thousands of jobs or any of that other sort of thing, but they are doing

939
01:12:00,540 --> 01:12:03,500
some of the main factors because they want to have some control over that aspect of the

940
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:07,180
process. And frankly, they're the ones who have taken the headline share of risk in terms

941
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:13,860
of making the investments and moving the technology from a lab bench or pre-commercial state

942
01:12:13,860 --> 01:12:18,700
into a market-ready product. So I mean, that's kind of that sad reality that we live in

943
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:25,380
and it's frustrating for us as much as it is for anybody else, but we're not the most risk-oriented

944
01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:30,900
country, and we also seem to defer a lot to the United States in terms of that regard.

945
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:31,680
So it is frustrating.

946
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,540
But at the end of the day, the university needs to migrate these technologies, and it's

947
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:38,420
much better into the marketplace for social good.

948
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,460
And even the chance to make some of that money back here and create opportunities for our students,

949
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,640
and that kind of thing, then nothing, which is, have it sit on the shelf and basically waste

950
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:46,920
away.

951
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:47,880
I hope that helps.

952
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:50,520
That's your turn.

953
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:52,840
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

954
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,940
I actually, Councillor Zafman asked my question as well.

955
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,000
I noticed a discrepancy between the 2013 report, which had 350 jobs, and this one had

956
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,940
550, and Mr. Plato answered it quite well.

957
01:13:03,140 --> 01:13:03,520
Thank you.

958
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,480
At this time, I have no additional speakers.

959
01:13:06,820 --> 01:13:09,000
So I look for a motion to receive.

960
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,780
Thank you, Councillor Ashill, we'll do that on screen.

961
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:14,320
And that was just the motion up in the moment.

962
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:14,980
We'll go to you.

963
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:19,420
So motion to receive, Councillor Ashill, seconded by Deputy Mayor Hubert.

964
01:13:19,460 --> 01:13:21,340
Just as we're opening this up for discussion.

965
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:22,840
I'll turn things over to Councillor Morgan.

966
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:30,550
Sure, just I just have a question for probably Mr. Hayward or the staff through the chair.

967
01:13:31,570 --> 01:13:37,130
So when I read this originally, I saw that money was flowing originally and trust to

968
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:40,770
to to to healthcare institutions in this particular report.

969
01:13:41,210 --> 01:13:45,510
It seems like it's going to flow to the London Medical Innovation and Personalization Network,

970
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:48,790
which I read the governing terms on what their board constitutes.

971
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:54,730
I need to know, because there's a presentation that included a lot of information about Western,

972
01:13:55,370 --> 01:14:03,350
what benefit or role does that institution get from this particular innovation and commercialization network?

973
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,440
Through the chat, can I just clarify the question?

974
01:14:12,540 --> 01:14:17,560
So are we asking, does Western get any benefit from the grant that we give LMI-CN?

975
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:22,060
That's correct.

976
01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:33,240
Western is one of the members of the LMICN as well, the bulk of the activities taking place in the research part.

977
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:40,200
So to the extent that there's any capital placed in that research part with building or whatever,

978
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:50,100
and these funds would be used for that, toward that, in order to attract others to the extent that they have that on their land.

979
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:59,540
I guess that would be their building ultimately, so they would walk away with that, but the intent is really for us to invest in capital that helps attract.

980
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,500
These investors to come in, so they can commercialise their ideas. So that would be about the only area that I can think of that they would plan if it was.

981
01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:18,560
Yeah. So I'm just going to add a caution and declare a pecuniary interest on items 6, 7 and C1 as Westerners buying a player chair.

982
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,260
Okay. Great. Thank you.

983
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:28,440
Okay, we have a motion that's been moved and seconded for receipt. Any additional discussion?

984
01:15:29,260 --> 01:15:29,960
Get re voting.

985
01:15:41,460 --> 01:15:44,220
Closing the vote, the motion carries 14 with one request.

986
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:50,380
And again, thank you to Mr. White, Mr. Plato. This is a very exciting, exciting to see you

987
01:15:50,380 --> 01:15:55,020
command and present to all of those things happening with one of our most important community

988
01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:59,420
partners here in London and looking forward to seeing what the future brings. Thank you very much.

989
01:15:59,420 --> 01:16:05,980
With that colleagues why don't we then move to the timed item it's item eight this is the

990
01:16:05,980 --> 01:16:12,540
PPM for the 2016 water and wastewater rates and I'd hand things over to Mr. Brahms

991
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:18,460
I understand as a brief pardon me, but just pick a John, let's give it to any John out there

992
01:16:18,460 --> 01:16:22,260
that wants to present just before we enter into debate.

993
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:46,730
Mr. Mayor and committee, I am pleased

994
01:16:46,730 --> 01:16:52,990
to be here on behalf of Mr. Brom and Mr. Hayward and the respective engineering and budget

995
01:16:52,990 --> 01:16:57,050
teams who have put together this rate proposal for you.

996
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:04,310
Just a few slides have provided

997
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:09,750
some background. Normally the rates are provided with a budget in the fall and that didn't

998
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:17,290
even happen last year for a different reason, though, because it was an election year and the budget

999
01:17:17,290 --> 01:17:21,970
couldn't be approved by the Council of the day until the coming year.

1000
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:28,570
This time we're proposing that the budget also be deferred until the new year with the

1001
01:17:28,570 --> 01:17:33,170
tax budget because it's a different kind of budget for your budget, and we think it should

1002
01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:35,530
all be presented to you at the same time.

1003
01:17:36,290 --> 01:17:41,870
However, like last year, not approving rates, but January 1st has a financial impact on us

1004
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:45,210
last year because it was a 7% rate increase.

1005
01:17:45,210 --> 01:17:51,270
I think it was about $840,000 a month, hit on our revenues, this time at 3%, it didn't

1006
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:55,490
be 400, but still, we're not comfortable with foregoing that, we're recommending that we

1007
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:57,630
make those changes January 1st.

1008
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:08,560
3% rate increases include a pretty significant decline in consumption, and therefore changes

1009
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,640
on our revenue streams.

1010
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,640
This chart shows where we've been.

1011
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:19,460
you can see on the left side there, almost 55,000 cubic meters in total for

1012
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:32,620
2001, and an hour down to about 40,000 cubic meters, 40 million cubic meters, we're about 72% of

1013
01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:37,880
what we were from a volume, and yet we know from a population standpoint we are higher.

1014
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,820
So, this is an important factor.

1015
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,900
It's critical to our revenues because 63% of our revenues are variable.

1016
01:18:46,340 --> 01:18:50,840
So, as the consumption overall consumption goes down,

1017
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,780
our revenues are being affected.

1018
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,940
But we've accommodated this within the 3% rate increase,

1019
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,040
and should also know that the numbers you see in front of you here,

1020
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,000
that chart includes growth on top of it.

1021
01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:06,480
So, conservation is outpacing growth as well.

1022
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,440
You will see that there is a recommendation E in your package.

1023
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:16,220
This is a critical element that we think you should be directing us back to look at more detail.

1024
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,140
It's becoming problematic to forecast what our revenue streams are.

1025
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:24,780
There seems to be a lot of factors involved and it's becoming difficult to nail it down for you.

1026
01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:38,700
3% includes some significant costs that are rising at rates much higher than our own projected rate increase.

1027
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:43,640
First one is natural gas between eight and 10% per year is forecasted.

1028
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:52,800
However, it's not a large expense, $530,000 a year is pretty significant but in the utility world it's not the largest thing that we face.

1029
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,480
But the percentage is what becomes difficult.

1030
01:19:56,380 --> 01:20:08,540
Electricity is more important, a $7 million expense account cost to both water and wastewater and it is projected to increase by almost 7% per year.

1031
01:20:08,540 --> 01:20:17,620
And that has us investigating and implementing a number of efficiency projects to reduce our consumption of electricity.

1032
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:28,020
We're pleased to see that the purchase of water is forecast to come down and match our proposed rate increases of 3% going forward the next four years.

1033
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:37,100
And the last line underneath in the yellow line is that's the Bank of Canada inflation target rate and all of these are above that.

1034
01:20:40,580 --> 01:20:45,580
3% includes investing in our infrastructure to manage our infrastructure debt.

1035
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:54,240
Back in 2013 you heard that we had a total value, asset value of 6.7 billion dollars.

1036
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:01,940
We have 20 year plans to invest in that infrastructure to manage the infrastructure gap,

1037
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:07,180
to manage the condition of it, is not something that you solve, it is something that you manage over the longer term.

1038
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:37,200
And in fact, we've planned longer than 20 years, this is an example, our water system, where we look at the full life cycle, a real life cycle, such as replacing spring bank reservoir number 2 in 2023, other reservoirs of spring bank in 2050, even as far out as replacing the Arab pumping station in around 2065.

1039
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:43,820
long-term trends are there. We know when these big expenses are going to come, but we have

1040
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:50,740
normalize it at a forecast at a half a percent per year increase in capital investment. So these

1041
01:21:50,740 --> 01:21:55,860
are parts of our long-term plan, and that's how we're going to manage our assets over the long-haul.

1042
01:21:59,210 --> 01:22:06,970
3% rating increase includes building up a reserve funds to a healthier level. Our finance

1043
01:22:06,970 --> 01:22:13,170
Department has targeted 1% of the acid value for sulfur water that would be achieving a reserve

1044
01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:16,610
fund balance of 27 million and 40 million for wastewater.

1045
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:25,140
Present forecasts indicate that we would be there by 2022, so we're on our way towards

1046
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:26,760
a healthy reserve fund.

1047
01:22:27,260 --> 01:22:31,260
There's a little star beside the water one, the one on the left, and that's because shortly

1048
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:35,560
after that, it does dip down because we draw it down, but then it comes back up again.

1049
01:22:36,820 --> 01:22:41,780
These healthy reserve funds allow us some flexibility when it comes to accommodating deficits.

1050
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,820
And we've seen a few of those in recent years.

1051
01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:49,560
And funding strategic investments, and I've got a few examples listed at the bottom there.

1052
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:55,600
Investments that utility might have to make to conform with the low end and downtown plan.

1053
01:22:56,300 --> 01:23:01,000
The rapid transit might induce some costs that are not understood yet, not known yet.

1054
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:11,200
We have a wastewater optimization strategy that require upfront money so that we can invest and then recover within the reduced operating budgets.

1055
01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:15,180
Our pollution prevention and control plan is still underway.

1056
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:22,200
We have put funding in the future years for this to reduce our overflow to the river.

1057
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:28,980
And we're just covering off the fact that maybe the answer might require more investment than we forecast it.

1058
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:34,380
And the last one is regulatory change, and there was a recent one within the last a month and a half,

1059
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:44,180
and that was Bill 66, and Bill 66 is the regulatory framework under which the province will pursue a reduction,

1060
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,960
a targeted reduction of 40% phosphorus in the times of river.

1061
01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:54,420
And we don't have very much information on what that means to London yet, and we continue to investigate that.

1062
01:23:57,910 --> 01:24:03,530
So here we are at financial sustainability, our finance folks have defined that as a state

1063
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:07,790
at where future rate increases are at our near inflationary levels based on a combination

1064
01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:12,490
of the consumer price index and the construction price index with the appropriate use of

1065
01:24:12,490 --> 01:24:18,030
debt financing, adequate reserve funds, and the appropriate investment in capital.

1066
01:24:19,890 --> 01:24:25,470
And we came to that after many years of some pretty significant rate increases, as you can

1067
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:34,450
across the top, other than the 2011-0%. The chart underneath indicates when we were forecasting,

1068
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:40,230
we would achieve financial sustainability. In 2010, we thought it would be around 2015. That

1069
01:24:40,230 --> 01:24:47,590
changed after the 2011-0% rate increase and it got pushed out to 2017. There's other factors

1070
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:54,070
there that pulled it back in. Pushed it out and pulled it back in. We had then in 2014-4

1071
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:58,670
because of 2016 and here we are in 2016 financial sustainability.

1072
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,480
Similar on the wastewater side, some of the rate increases over the years.

1073
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,840
I've been even higher, even double digits of 11% in 2005.

1074
01:25:12,020 --> 01:25:15,700
But in the end, achieving financial sustainability in 2016.

1075
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:26,110
This 3% rate increase is, we're forecasting out for four years.

1076
01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:32,670
We forecasted that in our last budget cycle, so this is not anything different.

1077
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:38,250
We put that in our regulatory financial plan for water, which was approved and submitted

1078
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:43,910
to the Ministry of Environment in May of this year, so this is exactly what we suggested

1079
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:46,450
was going to happen and this is where we are.

1080
01:25:49,340 --> 01:25:50,240
So what are others doing?

1081
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,280
It appears that not everyone is at financial sustainability and they're still pursuing

1082
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:01,080
it. Some at different rates of progress, some have taken a attack where they're going to

1083
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:07,720
add a medium kind of level of rate increase, not the 8th and 9th but something lower

1084
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:15,220
than that. It'll take longer to achieve it. The case of Toronto, we've learned that they're

1085
01:26:15,220 --> 01:26:22,180
proposing 8%. They're going to have 2 years of 5% and then they'll have a 3%. So they might

1086
01:26:22,180 --> 01:26:25,460
declaring financial sustainability in 2019.

1087
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:31,130
So what does it mean to the average residential customer?

1088
01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:39,550
The left column is the 2015 costs for an average home that we had projected

1089
01:26:39,550 --> 01:26:46,790
would use 171.9 cubic meters per year and the cost was $842.

1090
01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:53,750
In the next column to the right, we've forecasted a reduction in the

1091
01:26:53,750 --> 01:27:01,090
assumption and applied the 2015 rates. So at 2015 rates and a reduced consumption in 2016,

1092
01:27:02,170 --> 01:27:09,590
the service would cost $815 per year. The 3% increase would increase that by $24 for a

1093
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:17,570
total of $840 per year for an average residential home using $165.42 meters.

1094
01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:21,490
And comparing

1095
01:27:21,490 --> 01:27:26,670
to other municipalities, this is not based on the London average, this is based on a

1096
01:27:28,090 --> 01:27:34,790
a simple flat number of 200 cubic meters. It also does include a storm charge because not

1097
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:42,430
every municipality has that charge. So this is water and wastewater and not a storm charge.

1098
01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:48,290
The blue bars are all 2014. That's the latest information we have that is complete.

1099
01:27:48,290 --> 01:28:00,610
So, in 2014, London's cost for 200 cubic meters would have been $737, as compared to the average, the red bar, which is 856.

1100
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:02,450
So, we're below the average.

1101
01:28:03,730 --> 01:28:11,590
Applying our 2015 and the proposed 2016 rates, the cost, the comparable cost, you would be $815.

1102
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:16,630
But that's two years after everyone else, as you've seen others, are increasing their rates as well.

1103
01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:24,510
So, at least to believe that our position being below average is going to be maintained in 2016.

1104
01:28:26,170 --> 01:28:32,270
Similarly, for industrial customers using a 30,000 cubic meter per year baseline,

1105
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:43,210
2014, the cost for an industry in London would be 60,000 as compared to 84 for the average of these municipalities.

1106
01:28:44,410 --> 01:28:51,070
And there will be a movement up to 66,000 in twenty-six dollars, but again, we believe

1107
01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:56,010
we will still be at the lower end of this scale when the information comes back from the

1108
01:28:56,010 --> 01:28:59,410
others and the element of spallies and what their rating increases are.

1109
01:29:01,540 --> 01:29:08,200
So in summary, we're recommending that the revenue stream may be maintained by proving

1110
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:15,080
the rates in January 1st, and that will allow us to not have to take into account $400,000 per

1111
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:24,700
month in revenue loss. The 3% rate increases are what we projected in last budget. There

1112
01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:28,780
were what we had forecasted and put into our financial plan for the Ministry of

1113
01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:35,220
Environment for our water financial plan. And the cost of you as you seen are very

1114
01:29:35,220 --> 01:29:39,860
competitive, particularly in the industrial side when you had on top that not only we

1115
01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:44,820
the lower end of the scale, but we also offer connection to two great lake systems.

1116
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:46,580
Thank you.

1117
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:49,110
Thank you.

1118
01:29:49,170 --> 01:29:49,590
Thank you, Mr. Lucas.

1119
01:29:49,670 --> 01:29:50,770
We have a couple of questions.

1120
01:29:51,250 --> 01:29:52,210
I'll start the list.

1121
01:29:52,410 --> 01:29:54,770
I have councillors Armstrong and Usher Turner.

1122
01:29:58,450 --> 01:29:59,250
Well, just...

1123
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,400
In theory, Councillors, if you have questions of technical nature, I guess we could ask them now. We do have to have a PPM. It might be wise to hear from the public first and then we can enter into our questions in the morning. Is that work for you?

1124
01:30:11,540 --> 01:30:14,120
Are you saying to wait and the public will first?

1125
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,820
That's going to be PPM and then we'll be sure. I'll keep this list.

1126
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:23,240
Okay, so if I can get a motion to go into to open the public participation meeting.

1127
01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:28,820
Let's be moved by Councillor Helmer, second by Councillor Silly, any discussion?

1128
01:30:29,060 --> 01:30:29,720
All those in favour?

1129
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:38,290
closing the vote the motion carries 15 to zero. Okay and at this time I'll look

1130
01:30:38,290 --> 01:30:43,390
up to the gallery to see if there's anyone here to speak on this matter and I'll

1131
01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:47,990
ask a second time if there's anyone in the gallery or on the main floor from the

1132
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:50,530
public interest in speaking to this matter

1133
01:30:53,410 --> 01:30:55,430
and I'll ask a third time is there anyone

1134
01:30:55,910 --> 01:31:01,410
here to speak to this matter. There being none will look for a motion to close the

1135
01:31:01,410 --> 01:31:06,830
the PM, move by Councillor Sulee, second by Councillor Morgan, any discussion or voting?

1136
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:22,740
closing the vote, the motion carries 15 to zero. Councillor Armstrong. Thank you,

1137
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:28,460
worship and through you. First of all, thank you for the short brief and precise presentation.

1138
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:39,060
I guess there's a couple of things. We're seeing the numbers. Consumption drop, water consumption.

1139
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:45,460
I probably think that it's because of consumption,

1140
01:31:47,620 --> 01:31:50,540
in way of conservation, but the other

1141
01:31:50,540 --> 01:31:57,300
is, and the bigger concern, is affordability, and I just want to ask a quick answer

1142
01:31:57,300 --> 01:32:04,500
from staff, would those be probably the two reasons why in your mind affordability and

1143
01:32:04,500 --> 01:32:08,460
conservation as to why consumption is dropped continuously.

1144
01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:17,970
Through the chair, it's not just the city promoting conservation as the province as well.

1145
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:19,490
Through the plumbing code,

1146
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:25,610
the equipment that is allowed to be used is allowed to be used

1147
01:32:25,610 --> 01:32:34,770
has to be more efficient. We are seeing that over time having a significant impact, not just the new construction,

1148
01:32:34,770 --> 01:32:38,510
which is probably the most efficient but also the house renovations.

1149
01:32:39,310 --> 01:32:45,030
Are we at a point when our prices are so high to start into effect consumption?

1150
01:32:46,450 --> 01:32:50,710
To some extent we do hear from those who actively conserve

1151
01:32:50,710 --> 01:32:54,850
and get down below the 7 cubic meter threshold

1152
01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:58,830
and there isn't a benefit in going below that

1153
01:32:59,410 --> 01:33:02,370
and it's something that we have thought about

1154
01:33:02,370 --> 01:33:09,230
But when you compare us to the other municipalities, our prices are pretty good.

1155
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:16,870
So we don't think we're quite at that point where the elasticity of the rate is having

1156
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:18,310
that much of an effect.

1157
01:33:19,130 --> 01:33:25,850
Not as much so as the actual plumbing code requirements and people's just natural desire to

1158
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:26,770
use less water.

1159
01:33:26,770 --> 01:33:26,770
I

1160
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:38,760
have a couple more quick ones. On page 125, we talk about hauled liquid waste and

1161
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:45,820
leachade and there's price per thousand liters. Because I can't remember this. Are we

1162
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:54,580
allowing companies, other municipalities, outside of London to bring in leachade and

1163
01:33:54,580 --> 01:33:59,340
liquid waste to dispose of here in the city, just a yes or no is fine with.

1164
01:34:01,460 --> 01:34:02,660
Through the chair, yes.

1165
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:07,310
This is quite a bit.

1166
01:34:07,650 --> 01:34:16,550
In other words, if there are developments on the around the city and other municipalities,

1167
01:34:18,450 --> 01:34:45,750
Could they be taking advantage of our system that we've invested in order to allow for larger developments, and I'm thinking industrial, you know, would we allow, and is, and would we have a choice of so many, for an example, about a hundred thousand acres, and they wanted to develop that, and put a plant there, and suddenly, I wouldn't happen less London accepted their waste.

1168
01:34:46,630 --> 01:34:56,670
Is that a scenario that could happen? Like are we obligated to take their waste and also is that cost recovery or could we be actually

1169
01:34:58,730 --> 01:35:01,330
Increasing that cost in that area.

1170
01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:04,500
So through the chair

1171
01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:16,910
No one would expect a very high water consuming industry to somehow develop on septic fields because it's just it's just the pump out that we receive

1172
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:19,510
And so it's not really cost effective

1173
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:26,350
And so you don't usually see that you might see an industry that does associate with transportation and that not really producing water

1174
01:35:26,350 --> 01:35:28,490
It's just they just have

1175
01:35:28,490 --> 01:35:30,330
Staff toilets for fleshing and that's about it

1176
01:35:31,090 --> 01:35:34,350
As far as recovering costs yes, we recover our costs

1177
01:35:34,350 --> 01:35:44,170
Can we recover more than that? No, we're not allowed to recover more than that we can recover our costs and that's what we're legally allowed to do and what we believe we are doing

1178
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:51,730
Thank you, and my final point, which is an question, but rather common, I think the thing

1179
01:35:51,730 --> 01:35:58,370
is that I'm sure all the members of council can see that we're at the point now where things

1180
01:35:58,370 --> 01:36:06,530
are good, you know, and it's taking a lot of years to get there and a lot of high increases

1181
01:36:06,530 --> 01:36:14,410
seven, eight, nine and so on. But I think the thing is, some credit has to go to our past

1182
01:36:14,410 --> 01:36:24,470
staff for starting this years ago, because it wasn't too popular to tell people that year

1183
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:30,530
after year, you're getting seven, eight, nine percent. Usually I'd believe that forecast was seven.

1184
01:36:30,530 --> 01:36:38,390
It was a popular, but it was something that we saw had to be done and I think back that I remember

1185
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:45,150
Councillor Hume, also Councillor Usher, who shared those committees over that time.

1186
01:36:46,170 --> 01:36:51,910
That was that showed leadership back then, as far as elected officials are concerned.

1187
01:36:52,190 --> 01:36:56,850
So I wanted to mention that because I was around when we started this program.

1188
01:36:56,850 --> 01:37:15,430
So, I think the thing is this is certainly what we've done here is gotten our city back on track as far as water, wastewater, concern, and those sometimes we do things right and we have vision and today we're benefiting by this council.

1189
01:37:16,170 --> 01:37:21,810
So, in any event I wanted to mention our staff and some of those councilors who I recall had a hand in this.

1190
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:24,260
Thank you, Councillor.

1191
01:37:24,260 --> 01:37:28,200
We'll just move through these pictures list, I have Councillor Asher, Van Holst, Morgan,

1192
01:37:28,500 --> 01:37:29,720
Hubert, anyone else?

1193
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:30,960
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1194
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:37,020
Just to complete some of the things that comes to the Armstrong just said, the staff

1195
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:41,540
certainly has had a lot to do with this, and I've looked into the gentleman up in a top corner

1196
01:37:41,540 --> 01:37:47,680
up there, Mr. Walker, who he eats sleep and drink this thing for two years while we

1197
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:55,940
structured this water cost about two or three years ago. And I just had to say that because I

1198
01:37:55,940 --> 01:38:00,540
remember him coming and make presentation to see the busy over and over and over and over so

1199
01:38:00,540 --> 01:38:05,240
as we could understand is I'm not putting Mr. Brown down and Mr. Lucas down but Mr. Werther

1200
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:12,600
paid a major part in this. And one of the things that we were very concerned about is how

1201
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:17,680
is going to happen with this new structure. How are we going to sell it to the community?

1202
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:23,240
And even up to this day, I'm not sure sure that we have completely sold it because we just

1203
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:29,640
got an email, I think we all got an email from a gentleman who said that he only used five cubic

1204
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:34,720
meters of water and he's charging so much and he thinks that he's charged for every cubic

1205
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:40,600
meter but he gets the first seven cubic meters free. The difference is that he gets that lump

1206
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:48,040
up to that seven and then he's charged for each additional cubic nature. So, and the miracle

1207
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:56,480
about this is that we are now a 3% steadily, but we purchased water at 4% from the urine

1208
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:02,460
water board, and 9% from the algae and water board. So I don't, you know, when you look at it

1209
01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:07,380
it's almost like a miracle, and then we have all these additional expenses. So I really

1210
01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:16,500
this stuff for the structure and what they used here. I wanted though that if Mr. Lucas could

1211
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:23,900
just remind us, take a minute, just to remind us of this formula that we used. I just repeated

1212
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:32,100
part of it, I believe, with respect to the first seven. Cubic meat is free for any user, but there's

1213
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:39,380
fixed cost for everyone because that fixed cost was not there before the beginning of 2014.

1214
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,520
Could you just remind us of that Mr. Lucas, if you remember?

1215
01:39:45,930 --> 01:39:47,330
Through the chair I'll try to remember.

1216
01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:55,390
We described it as a humpback curve for the variable costs, where it's low for those who

1217
01:39:55,390 --> 01:40:02,190
are using less water, it increases to promote conservation, and then it tails off for those

1218
01:40:02,190 --> 01:40:09,870
consumers basically industry to make it to make their business commercially viable it

1219
01:40:09,870 --> 01:40:15,370
helps it helps us economically. There are the fixed charges we're introduced such

1220
01:40:15,370 --> 01:40:20,390
as for fire protection for what we call the connection charge. There's a cost

1221
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:24,730
and just having the infrastructure and having it there not necessarily using it

1222
01:40:24,730 --> 01:40:30,410
to the extent that it might be capable, but so we went from I believe it was less

1223
01:40:30,410 --> 01:40:38,330
and 1% fixed charge to where in the somewhere between 35 and 40% right now, fixed charge.

1224
01:40:39,130 --> 01:40:43,390
Having said that, you already heard me speak to the fact that the 60% percent that is

1225
01:40:43,390 --> 01:40:48,190
very well is still difficult to manage because of the continuing reductions.

1226
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,540
Thank you Mr. Lucas.

1227
01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:58,780
If I remember right, Mr. Chair, it went up, like Mr. Lucas said, up to 35 cubic meters

1228
01:40:58,780 --> 01:41:03,380
was the high rate and then it started going down and that's one of the reasons why the industrial

1229
01:41:03,380 --> 01:41:09,020
repeal a little bit less than the residential. But I think we've got a formula here now and

1230
01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:14,580
I think that I'm so happy that we've reached that 3% that we were promised years ago and hopefully

1231
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:21,340
we could sustain it even after the four or five years. So thanks very much, I appreciate seeing that.

1232
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:23,900
Thank you, Councillor. Councillor VanHolst.

1233
01:41:27,220 --> 01:41:28,620
Thank you, Mr. Chair, through you.

1234
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:38,840
I'm very pleased with the 3% because, of course, the joint waterboards had asked for 4%

1235
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:46,120
at here on and 9% at Elgin. So, we'll done, is that that's going to work out fine for them.

1236
01:41:51,260 --> 01:41:54,640
Through the chair we've incorporated those projected rating creases.

1237
01:41:54,980 --> 01:42:00,200
For us, it was shown in the chart as a blend between the two because we buy more from the cheaper side.

1238
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:08,820
you're on side then we buy from the elegant side. Okay, well done, thank you. And on page 123,

1239
01:42:08,980 --> 01:42:17,610
it talks about a charge for meters being checked for accuracy. And this has, have those,

1240
01:42:18,140 --> 01:42:28,220
those prices gone up in 2016. That's the second, the second row on page 123.

1241
01:42:28,220 --> 01:42:29,100
And

1242
01:42:32,050 --> 01:42:40,630
through the chair, what is presented in there are all the changes to the by-law, it's not the whole by-law, it is just the changes.

1243
01:42:41,530 --> 01:42:47,250
So anything you see in there is different than what it was before, and it is increased by 3%.

1244
01:42:52,850 --> 01:42:54,070
Thank you, Councillor Morgan.

1245
01:42:56,700 --> 01:43:00,160
Thank you, I want to make a quick comment that I have a question.

1246
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:09,640
The common is in reference to the presentation and something and with all due respect and through the chair, of course.

1247
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:13,220
I think sometimes we present some of this information.

1248
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:16,240
It's not particularly helpful for telling the story to the public.

1249
01:43:17,340 --> 01:43:24,380
The shards that were put up showed our 2016 rates compared to everybody else's 2014 rate.

1250
01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:30,520
It doesn't, isn't a particularly great visual for for the average person looking at the document.

1251
01:43:30,700 --> 01:43:36,660
I mean, it shows where we've moved, but it looks like we're moving way, you know, a chunk down the chart towards the average.

1252
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:41,780
And really, we don't know if that's what's happening at all, because we don't know where everybody else is going over those two years.

1253
01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:48,740
So I appreciate that we're trying to be visual in this, but I think it's not helpful to telling the story of what's happening.

1254
01:43:48,740 --> 01:43:52,940
And the other thing that's in the presentation that is sometimes confusing for the public

1255
01:43:52,940 --> 01:43:56,220
is when we use the term inflation without any sort of context.

1256
01:43:56,660 --> 01:44:00,420
And here in this sub-note to see that we're referring to inflation is not just CPI, but

1257
01:44:00,420 --> 01:44:04,160
the construction price index, which has a completely different rate than the household rate.

1258
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:09,820
When people here and read inflation at home, they're thinking about the household whole basket

1259
01:44:09,820 --> 01:44:15,440
of goods, which, as you've outlined, in the costs and the cost pressures, doesn't really

1260
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:20,900
to the water system, and quite frankly, we don't have the option of cutting back on service

1261
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:25,340
when there's strong provincial legislation that says we have to control quality in health

1262
01:44:25,340 --> 01:44:31,860
and standards, as well as some of our fiscal plan to the provincial government. There's not

1263
01:44:31,860 --> 01:44:36,860
a lot of options to us to really do that. So I just, you know, I'd appreciate, and the future

1264
01:44:36,860 --> 01:44:41,000
has to try to paint the pictures clear as possible, because I know I got a number of questions

1265
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:45,540
about, you know, how much above inflation we were and, you know, but the rate increases were

1266
01:44:45,540 --> 01:44:50,580
and, you know, they look at the chart and the report and they say we're moving way over.

1267
01:44:50,820 --> 01:44:55,020
And those aren't actually true when we're actually talking at the reality of the situation.

1268
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,300
So, so that's just my comments to pass on for.

1269
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,720
Future reports and future dialogue on this. The one question I wanted to ask is, we talk about the

1270
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:14,600
cost pressures in the system. We also made a change this year to the way that we allow for water

1271
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:19,200
to be consumed in the summer months, shifting more towards weekend and holidays, part of the rationale

1272
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:24,300
for that shift was electricity prices are cheaper during those times, and I'm wondering, and if you

1273
01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:27,340
don't have the information today, because I'm putting it on the spot a bit, you know, down

1274
01:45:27,340 --> 01:45:32,200
road I'd be interested to know, to that have any sort of impact was it, you know, positive

1275
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,700
it was marginal at fast if we know that now. I'd love to hear it if we don't, I'd love to hear

1276
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:37,960
it at a future date.

1277
01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:45,310
Yeah, through the chair, it was a bad summer to evaluate that. We did not,

1278
01:45:45,850 --> 01:45:51,310
we did not sell a lot of water on weekends. We didn't have a lot of lawn watering. It was a very

1279
01:45:51,310 --> 01:45:59,270
good summer for watering your lawn naturally every few days we had a rain. So, no, we don't, we don't

1280
01:45:59,270 --> 01:46:03,210
to tell us exactly what it might have happened. We would just have to monitor and

1281
01:46:03,210 --> 01:46:05,850
and future summers and see if we noticed a difference.

1282
01:46:08,580 --> 01:46:11,340
If you may are hubris and then I have councillors Turner and Squire.

1283
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:19,060
Thank you. I'm glad Mr. Lucas confirmed that this is consistent with the financial

1284
01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:25,400
plan that we were requested to file with the province and did file so we're on track

1285
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:28,920
with that and I think that's a really important piece.

1286
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:34,060
I'm kind of curious just to, you know, that we're building the reserve funds that is healthy

1287
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:41,420
and I've always agreed with that to some degree, but a slight element of it you mentioned

1288
01:46:41,420 --> 01:46:49,680
downtown London and some of our plans for that, when we consider the my Dundas project, the

1289
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:56,920
Dundas Street project, you know, it's never what we see that cost us money is what we don't

1290
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:03,290
frankly, the cost of money, it's the infrastructure under it. And some of the numbers were quite

1291
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:10,390
large with respect to that project. What portion of some of those numbers would have been

1292
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:18,300
attributed to water and sewer, because you're kind of presenting both today, so water and sewer

1293
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:27,120
infrastructure, and would the funding for them be out of future capital budgets,

1294
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,420
or have we

1295
01:47:31,420 --> 01:47:33,060
identified the source of funding?

1296
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:44,070
Through the chair, I was generalizing about downtown.

1297
01:47:44,290 --> 01:47:48,110
There's an awful lot of activities and proposals being considered in the general downtown

1298
01:47:48,110 --> 01:47:54,590
area, including growth, such as some towers that are being proposed.

1299
01:47:54,590 --> 01:48:04,350
We're taking a broad view of investment in downtown and looking at the capabilities of the infrastructure we have, the condition it's in.

1300
01:48:05,210 --> 01:48:14,290
So we're trying to accommodate all things that might happen downtown, including RT, including the back to the river, including Thundas Place.

1301
01:48:14,290 --> 01:48:17,870
In the case of a done-dass place, it's not a huge cost.

1302
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:23,630
We did budget some very specifically for a main replacement along the corridor, and we

1303
01:48:23,630 --> 01:48:26,950
don't have a lot of sewer work associated with that particular corridor.

1304
01:48:27,710 --> 01:48:35,250
But we do have investments to make downtown regarding overflows, one particular corridor,

1305
01:48:35,390 --> 01:48:40,170
we're looking at specifically for the nearer term in the next few years, is York Street,

1306
01:48:40,530 --> 01:48:42,190
where it is a pure combined system.

1307
01:48:42,190 --> 01:48:46,110
And it does end up right at the river, not far from downtown.

1308
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:54,190
So that is an important project where we're presently working out the technical requirements of,

1309
01:48:55,930 --> 01:49:02,690
and trying to find the right mix with all the other projects that are going on,

1310
01:49:02,810 --> 01:49:06,090
and to show that the benefit is going to be there for growth downtown,

1311
01:49:06,610 --> 01:49:10,330
for overflow reduction in the river, as part of the pollution prevention and control plan.

1312
01:49:10,830 --> 01:49:21,330
So, I was generalizing more about downtown because there's just so many things going on and we are looking at it holistically on the utility side.

1313
01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:24,810
Constrainer.

1314
01:49:25,650 --> 01:49:26,270
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1315
01:49:26,810 --> 01:49:27,550
Thank you, Mr. Lucas.

1316
01:49:27,850 --> 01:49:29,790
A couple questions to you through the chair.

1317
01:49:31,170 --> 01:49:35,030
I guess looking at the graph that you have about to decline in water use.

1318
01:49:35,470 --> 01:49:39,530
If you extrapolate that out, it shows we actually get to zero water use by 2025.

1319
01:49:39,530 --> 01:49:45,910
but you kind of start the inflection back up at around 2020 and then show some leveling out.

1320
01:49:47,150 --> 01:49:55,650
Also, you also mentioned about how in 2015 there was 5% less usage of water than you had anticipated.

1321
01:49:57,710 --> 01:50:08,430
And so I guess I wonder where the confidence is in that leveling out in water consumption comes from and how confidence are you?

1322
01:50:08,430 --> 01:50:14,770
because I think if that number change is then that really changes the projections on our revenue stream side.

1323
01:50:16,780 --> 01:50:22,320
Through the chair, so that exactly is why we have recommendation E.

1324
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:28,080
That our short term forecast for revenues is shaky.

1325
01:50:28,660 --> 01:50:32,100
And we need to look at the factors. We had a couple of very cold winters.

1326
01:50:32,820 --> 01:50:39,140
That doesn't actually have an impact on water loss in our water system through main breaks and services.

1327
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:48,700
So there's revenue losses associated with a number of factors, and we're just struggling with trying to get the right information to forecast where it is.

1328
01:50:50,260 --> 01:50:53,740
And as the council has just indicated, where does it bottom out?

1329
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:58,320
Yeah, we need some intelligence to suggest to us where that's going to happen.

1330
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:04,940
For the long long term, we have already engaged and we're part of a research project out of

1331
01:51:04,940 --> 01:51:11,220
University of Waterloo to look at the long-term trends, but that doesn't help us in the

1332
01:51:11,220 --> 01:51:13,940
near term as in the next five years.

1333
01:51:14,580 --> 01:51:21,680
So we do want to take that back and look at it very thoroughly and confirm that we can make

1334
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:26,480
the three percent over four continuous years or whether there's some of the factors that

1335
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:28,420
not properly taking into account yet.

1336
01:51:31,210 --> 01:51:36,870
I think Mr. Lucas, and I guess the follow-up through Mr. Chair, is, I guess what

1337
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:38,550
to sustain a bodily really mean twist.

1338
01:51:39,610 --> 01:51:44,950
We have a, is that maintaining the status quo, or is this improving the situation?

1339
01:51:45,470 --> 01:51:49,990
We talk a little bit through the report about the infrastructure gap and starting to

1340
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:55,930
close that anticipating those components, but the reality is we still see

1341
01:51:56,710 --> 01:51:58,570
bypasses from our pollution control plants.

1342
01:51:58,950 --> 01:52:02,190
We still see bypasses from, I believe,

1343
01:52:02,450 --> 01:52:04,030
from pumping stations as well.

1344
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:06,930
I remember when I sat as the chair on the advisory

1345
01:52:06,930 --> 01:52:09,990
committee on the environment, we asked,

1346
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:12,890
when do we get to zero bypasses, for example?

1347
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:18,930
So does 3% get us anywhere closer to that at what rate?

1348
01:52:20,570 --> 01:52:22,450
And I guess the other question,

1349
01:52:22,450 --> 01:52:28,610
Councillor Hubert and I talked about kind of alluded to the fact that the core is a growing

1350
01:52:28,610 --> 01:52:29,070
component.

1351
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:37,590
You answered in part, Mr. Lucas, about when we took a look at the, we have the DC community

1352
01:52:37,590 --> 01:52:40,510
improvement plans for downtown Seoul, Seoul, all-deast.

1353
01:52:41,210 --> 01:52:46,830
When we start to concentrate towers together, the draw on the infrastructure that exists

1354
01:52:46,830 --> 01:52:51,770
there, now won't have a counter contribution from the development through the development

1355
01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:59,690
charges because there's a CIP in place so that kind of comes from the tax base rather than

1356
01:52:59,690 --> 01:53:06,630
from from the industry itself I guess I kind of put two questions in there. So first part

1357
01:53:06,630 --> 01:53:11,270
is when what does what does sustainability mean mean to us what does it look like? How do we get

1358
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:17,310
to to zero bypasses and then how do our CIPs impact our projections?

1359
01:53:21,020 --> 01:53:21,860
Through the chair on the first

1360
01:53:21,860 --> 01:53:28,880
question about sustainability actually it does include improvements because we do we have

1361
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:33,940
forecasts significant investments in the future to reduce overflows and we've accommodated

1362
01:53:33,940 --> 01:53:40,040
that in our 20 year plan. The flexibility in the reserve trying to build it up one of the reasons

1363
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:46,200
was that that might cost more than we have presently forecasted or we might find it we're so

1364
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:48,740
while trying to act to invest more.

1365
01:53:49,420 --> 01:53:52,540
So we're trying to cover off what we know and make improvements

1366
01:53:52,540 --> 01:53:57,120
as well as provide some flexibility to do more if that's

1367
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:58,740
what is needed and that is what is required

1368
01:53:58,740 --> 01:54:00,460
using the reserve fund.

1369
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:03,180
On the downtown,

1370
01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:08,390
we had forecasts that we put in the DC

1371
01:54:09,210 --> 01:54:12,850
for infrastructure investment that might be required

1372
01:54:12,850 --> 01:54:13,850
to support growth.

1373
01:54:14,090 --> 01:54:16,170
And so we've covered it off that way.

1374
01:54:16,170 --> 01:54:24,390
It is covered in the water and wastewater sides of the DC charge, and there is a revenue

1375
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:29,350
stream for that, that is handled city wide.

1376
01:54:30,730 --> 01:54:38,450
As far as how much growth occurs, that might be a question for any impact of the CIP, it might

1377
01:54:38,450 --> 01:54:45,170
be a question more on the financial side about the affordability of that would depend on

1378
01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:50,470
how much development actually occurred and I don't know if that's something that

1379
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:55,990
Mr. Hayward or someone else can comment on about the CIP.

1380
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:05,800
With respect to the CIP through the chair, the CIPs that we have for the residential

1381
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:11,580
increases in residential in the downtown are expecting to have quite a significant draw on

1382
01:55:11,580 --> 01:55:16,860
those and you'll actually see that in the surface report I think we mentioned it and

1383
01:55:16,860 --> 01:55:21,380
about three or four towers that are supposed to be going in, that is going to have an impact

1384
01:55:23,300 --> 01:55:28,620
on the system, on the service system, on the water system, on the road system, and so that's

1385
01:55:28,620 --> 01:55:35,280
something we're going to have to build into our plans as we move forward. There will be an element

1386
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:39,320
of that that will be development charges, and there will be an element of that that will be

1387
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:45,940
replacement as well. Some of those would have been anticipated in some of the planning that we've

1388
01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:49,560
but I don't believe everything was fully anticipated at this point.

1389
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:58,870
If I make a back to the first question a little bit about the downtown as well, talking

1390
01:55:58,870 --> 01:56:05,130
about more people living downtown, but with the consumption patterns coming down, we are creating

1391
01:56:05,130 --> 01:56:05,630
capacity.

1392
01:56:06,590 --> 01:56:10,550
So, we're trying to find the balance between what future population be downtown and what their

1393
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:13,150
consumption patterns will be and what capacities we have.

1394
01:56:13,590 --> 01:56:19,350
But I'm finding that a lot of our investments aren't related to capacity and necessarily

1395
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:25,510
It's more to do with the condition of it and the overflows, which are something we would like to resolve

1396
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:28,350
while growth occurs and in preferably before it.

1397
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:31,760
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1398
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:40,360
So just the final question then, do we have an anticipated point at which we reach our considered

1399
01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:42,960
generally acceptable bypasses?

1400
01:56:43,220 --> 01:56:45,640
Do we have a projected date at which we did that?

1401
01:56:45,660 --> 01:56:50,700
When I sat on Ace, we're looking 20 years out and that was about 10 years ago.

1402
01:56:51,920 --> 01:57:03,420
So, I'm not sure where we are in that because most recently, I thought I've heard about 20 years out again, so just seeking clarification because that would drive this rate.

1403
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:14,880
If I knew that we could achieve the elimination of bypasses earlier as a result of going 1% more, then that would be something that would be important to me to know.

1404
01:57:15,620 --> 01:57:26,260
Just point out that we're at eight minutes, you've had the floor, I've provided some allowance because the questions have been succinct and the answers have been extensive, so we'll go over to Mr. Lucas.

1405
01:57:27,740 --> 01:57:33,400
Yeah, through the chair, it's probably very difficult to put a date on when our overflow would be reduced to nothing.

1406
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:38,320
and probably giving you a system that continually ages, the answer is probably it never does

1407
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:47,560
completely become zero, but certainly we've put in place programs to reduce the inflow of

1408
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:52,980
water into the system at the source, which is at homes. We know we are meeting the regulatory

1409
01:57:52,980 --> 01:57:58,700
requirements for overflows. It's called the guidelines called F55, and in fact we are exceeding

1410
01:57:58,700 --> 01:58:05,140
and Greenway is a major project that's going to not only meeting the guideline right now at Greenway,

1411
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:11,700
but with the improvements we'll be significantly exceeding that guideline.

1412
01:58:14,500 --> 01:58:23,120
It's an ongoing investment versus aging of the system balance that we see in the long term.

1413
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:36,240
And if it's a different direction to take to create zeros, I'm not sure that's a very different financial model and very difficult to achieve when your infrastructure is valued at $6.7 billion.

1414
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:41,280
It's very difficult to have all new infrastructure that is completely tight at any one time.

1415
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:53,020
But certainly we're striving for continuous improvement and that's acceptable to the regulatory agencies and we continue to show what those improvements are to both them and the public through our documentation of

1416
01:58:53,020 --> 01:58:54,960
overflows and our performance.

1417
01:58:56,820 --> 01:58:57,860
Okay, thank you.

1418
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,460
We'll go to Councillor Squire and Ridley.

1419
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:04,280
Thank you very much for your report.

1420
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:07,840
It certainly makes it clear why we are.

1421
01:59:08,260 --> 01:59:13,880
I know this was the prediction for last year that it would be 3% so I'm not surprised by it.

1422
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:14,780
To receive this.

1423
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:19,560
My question, though, through you Mr. Chair, I was interested in your comments about rapid transit,

1424
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:24,760
something that we're dealing with, and you talked about putting a reserve aside

1425
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:29,760
pertaining to rapid transit, and I think it raises a concern certainly for me

1426
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,760
of ancillary cost related to rapid transit.

1427
01:59:33,420 --> 01:59:39,400
It may not be directly transit related, and if we're building contingencies and reserves in other areas

1428
01:59:39,940 --> 01:59:45,180
to fund this project, and by that I mean if we have to do work on water mains or something like that

1429
01:59:45,180 --> 01:59:47,420
because we're putting in a rapid transit project.

1430
01:59:47,620 --> 01:59:50,180
I suppose what I'm thinking is that should be attributable

1431
01:59:50,180 --> 01:59:55,320
to the rapid transit project rather than being part of this reserve.

1432
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:57,340
I just wonder if you could help me with that.

1433
02:00:03,740 --> 02:00:17,500
From our perspective through the chair, that's correct. So if rapid transit is initiating the digging up of the civil water main and having requiring that it be moved then rapid transit would pay.

1434
02:00:17,660 --> 02:00:25,080
If, however, there's an element of replacement that we'd be doing anyway, then there will be an element of the rate that would be repaying for it.

1435
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:31,180
It starts to get a complex calculation because you're involving DCs, you're involving estimate useful life

1436
02:00:31,180 --> 02:00:37,360
and how are we extending that? There's a whole bunch of factors that come into it, but essentially you're correct.

1437
02:00:40,700 --> 02:00:48,040
Okay, I have a few more speakers. Just a reminder, we have a hard stop at 6.10 for a recess so we can go out and celebrate the lighting of the lights.

1438
02:00:48,340 --> 02:00:49,180
I have Councillor Ridley.

1439
02:00:51,380 --> 02:00:57,460
Thank you, Chair. My questions are more specific to the sanitary sewer rates.

1440
02:00:58,900 --> 02:01:06,410
With this report because I think as I understand it, water coming into homes is needed in charge.

1441
02:01:06,410 --> 02:01:10,950
But water going out of homes, there's no way to meter that in my correct amount.

1442
02:01:13,700 --> 02:01:15,640
The chair, there is a way to meter it.

1443
02:01:15,820 --> 02:01:22,280
And for some large industries, we do, but to put that on all of our 100,000 plus customers,

1444
02:01:22,420 --> 02:01:23,520
it's not realistic.

1445
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:34,420
And so when I look at some of the recent issues, we've been having,

1446
02:01:35,020 --> 02:01:38,900
and anything specifically to the weeping tiles and the extra water that we're treating,

1447
02:01:38,900 --> 02:01:47,820
That is truly stormwater but running for a sanitary feeding into the bypasses and being treated as sanitary.

1448
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:56,200
I don't see anything that's being captured in here and I get the point that we can't meet or 100,000 houses and charge them on their output.

1449
02:01:57,860 --> 02:02:05,320
But what could we be doing to make sure that we're not doing those bypasses or treating that stormwater?

1450
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:07,240
Are there any options for us?

1451
02:02:10,310 --> 02:02:18,390
Through the chair, we've provided council with a work program to look at

1452
02:02:19,850 --> 02:02:25,590
baseman flooding and flooding in general. We opened that up and quite generously

1453
02:02:25,590 --> 02:02:30,030
willing to look at anything and everything, starting with what others do, what other

1454
02:02:30,030 --> 02:02:35,230
municipalities do and in fact have already got a date set with my counterpart in Toronto

1455
02:02:35,230 --> 02:02:38,730
and so we're already on the move.

1456
02:02:42,370 --> 02:02:46,830
The technologies that are available, we would want to look at what is possible.

1457
02:02:47,770 --> 02:02:49,250
Again, experiences of others.

1458
02:02:50,170 --> 02:02:55,470
And if the billing system is a way of dealing helping to deal with this, then we'd be looking

1459
02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:59,910
at that too as well as our own drainage bylaws and plumbing codes.

1460
02:03:00,330 --> 02:03:05,570
We have in the past made pictures to the province to change the plumbing code and support of things

1461
02:03:05,570 --> 02:03:06,550
that we thought were important.

1462
02:03:07,490 --> 02:03:11,150
So in this work plan, we are opening up a lot of doors.

1463
02:03:14,430 --> 02:03:16,730
OK, one final speaker, we're just a few minutes away

1464
02:03:16,730 --> 02:03:18,130
from having to call that recess.

1465
02:03:18,690 --> 02:03:20,270
I'll look to you, Mr. or Councillor Van Holtz,

1466
02:03:20,270 --> 02:03:21,210
pardon me if you have a question.

1467
02:03:24,300 --> 02:03:25,320
Thank you, just a comment.

1468
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:27,200
There's been a lot of talk about conservation.

1469
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,540
And I wanted to point out that that's really not

1470
02:03:30,540 --> 02:03:33,960
as important here around the Great Lakes

1471
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:35,240
as in other places.

1472
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,640
A lot of our water would normally flow

1473
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:41,540
from like here on through lakes and clear into Lake Erie.

1474
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,800
And really, we're not consuming water as consumers,

1475
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:46,300
we're just rerouting it.

1476
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:49,560
So it comes from like here on, flows into my water heater,

1477
02:03:49,740 --> 02:03:51,720
flows over me, luxuriously in the shower,

1478
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:55,320
and then goes back through the tens to Lake Erie again.

1479
02:03:55,540 --> 02:03:57,520
So it's just a rerouting.

1480
02:03:59,540 --> 02:04:02,700
And now that we've got our capacity built up,

1481
02:04:03,460 --> 02:04:06,580
it's not as a significant factor.

1482
02:04:07,580 --> 02:04:10,780
Okay. I've got three minutes left in the clock. Councilor Hammer.

1483
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:16,520
Great questions from committee. I don't have any because you covered off all the

1484
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:20,280
things I want to ask about. We have your item number e reporting back about revenue

1485
02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:23,400
forecast. I will say I'm going to support the recommendation, but I think it might be a bit

1486
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:28,680
optimistic. I say that because, you know, we had a deficit in the water service area.

1487
02:04:29,220 --> 02:04:32,860
You know, on the revenue side of $1.9 million, and that was, you know, we had a cold

1488
02:04:32,860 --> 02:04:38,700
wet summer and we have this double-way on the water where you know you have a lot more rain

1489
02:04:38,700 --> 02:04:43,120
and you have issues related to that in the summer and then you've got colder winters and freezing

1490
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:46,520
and breaking and so increased capital costs. So you have less money on the revenue side

1491
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:52,120
and higher expenses and that's not a good place to be. So I'm optimistic that we can get

1492
02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:56,500
there anyway but in this report that comes back I'm particularly interested in those because

1493
02:04:56,500 --> 02:05:01,400
those are things that we can't control and you know there's a few things we can control

1494
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:06,060
the water system, but not everything. And I'm a bit concerned that this might be an optimistic

1495
02:05:06,060 --> 02:05:08,460
forecast. So I'll support it. I'll look forward to the report.

1496
02:05:10,100 --> 02:05:13,300
Thank you, Councillor. I have no further speakers. We're just coming up on 610, which is

1497
02:05:13,300 --> 02:05:18,800
perfect timing. So what all the motions have been moved in seconds. So we will call the

1498
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:19,180
question.

1499
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:32,580
Closing the vote, the motion carries 15 to 0.

1500
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:39,480
Okay, Councillor, 610. I'll look for a motion to recess. This is both a recess so we can

1501
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:45,300
had down and enjoyed the celebrations as well as for dinner will be returning at 7 p.m.

1502
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:49,400
moved by Councillor Asherson, seconded by Councillor Turner, any discussion all those

1503
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:49,840
in favour?

1504
02:05:50,740 --> 02:05:51,460
We'll see you seven o'clock.

1505
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:52,260
Thanks so much everybody.

1506
02:07:03,900 --> 02:07:06,840
It's just after 7 o'clock so we'll call the meeting to order.

1507
02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:09,900
We've got quorum so let's get moving.

1508
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:18,560
Folks, what I suggest that we do right now is heading cameras so we can deal with item 6.

1509
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:22,860
There are some guests here that are interested in speaking this about that.

1510
02:07:22,860 --> 02:07:25,160
I think that would be the best use of time at this point.

1511
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:30,080
So if I get a motion to please go in camera for the reason stated on the public agenda

1512
02:07:31,140 --> 02:07:34,240
and I wonder Kathy, if I could have you read that, I believe it's C1.

1513
02:07:41,790 --> 02:07:42,590
Thank you Mr. Mayor.

1514
02:07:42,590 --> 02:07:49,410
It's a matter pertaining to advice that a subject's a solicitor client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose,

1515
02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:56,190
as it relates to the London Medical Innovation and Commercialization Network Contribution Agreement.

1516
02:07:57,710 --> 02:07:59,370
Okay, if we get a motion on screen, please.

1517
02:08:19,100 --> 02:08:21,220
Okay, it's been moved in second and in any discussion.

1518
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:23,100
No discussions are rewarding.

1519
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:44,000
Closing the vote, the motion carries 14-0.

1520
02:08:54,270 --> 02:09:00,430
London Medical and a virtualization network in the city of London. We originally had a

1521
02:09:00,430 --> 02:09:06,730
grant agreement with the Hospital Foundation, so two hospital board foundations. Since

1522
02:09:06,730 --> 02:09:15,290
the network has now been established, it has a proper governance and border directors. Since

1523
02:09:15,290 --> 02:09:19,630
it has a bank account and it has been incorporated, we want to move it to the next step

1524
02:09:19,630 --> 02:09:25,770
move the funds from the foundations over to the network so that it can begin its work.

1525
02:09:27,010 --> 02:09:29,970
Thank you. Any speakers? Any questions? Councillor Turner's statement?

1526
02:09:31,870 --> 02:09:40,170
Thank you. I'm just with respect to this. I see now and I certainly appreciate a lot of the

1527
02:09:40,170 --> 02:09:45,770
due diligence has been taken in terms of creating the network and the governance structure

1528
02:09:45,770 --> 02:09:54,190
and that helps to certainly calm my fears of the transfer of such a significant grant.

1529
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:59,850
This is probably, well, this is the largest grant transfer that we've seen on this term of

1530
02:09:59,850 --> 02:10:01,030
Council as far.

1531
02:10:02,590 --> 02:10:12,810
The source of funding was the reserve fund, within that fund, in the report, it didn't

1532
02:10:12,810 --> 02:10:16,810
It gives through the balance of that fund and what other allocations might be.

1533
02:10:17,990 --> 02:10:24,890
I guess this has been set aside and allocated beforehand, but does this have much impact on that fund?

1534
02:10:26,610 --> 02:10:31,670
So the funds have actually, the grant has already been dispersed to the hospital foundations,

1535
02:10:31,950 --> 02:10:37,470
is $5 million in each hospital foundation. The original funding source came from the economic development reserve fund.

1536
02:10:41,340 --> 02:10:51,730
Thank you Mr. Chair. Two questions. First one, my understanding with this agreement. So while the

1537
02:10:51,730 --> 02:10:59,730
money is already been dispersed from the city, any dispersion of funds from the network will

1538
02:10:59,730 --> 02:11:04,310
have some pre-requirements on it before being met in terms of establishing a certain amount of

1539
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:08,810
money for the network, and I was wondering if our staff could comment on that.

1540
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:17,580
So, through the chair, basically knowing legal terms with this is paragraph for subclaws or whatever,

1541
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:26,820
but one of those things, number four in the agreement, to really lays out what the serial all the lawyers around here.

1542
02:11:28,220 --> 02:11:30,840
I'm an accountant, I just get to the bottom line, that's all.

1543
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:37,320
So, basically all the items are laid out in there, so it has to comply with the municipal act,

1544
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:43,400
to be used for capital investment and those types of things. In order to look at the type of

1545
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:49,860
thing, investment that's coming forward that we may need to be investing to promote. There is

1546
02:11:49,860 --> 02:11:56,860
also an evaluation form that the ICN is supposed to bring forward to us, that we can sign

1547
02:11:56,860 --> 02:12:07,300
off on and that's supposed to happen 10 calendar days in advance of any disbursements so we

1548
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:13,500
Board of Directors and have a pretty vocal sound on that committee.

1549
02:12:16,590 --> 02:12:20,890
Through the chair, I was actually looking for a different question or answer.

1550
02:12:21,730 --> 02:12:26,350
Specifically around the fact that while the city has made its dispersements to the network,

1551
02:12:27,130 --> 02:12:31,030
other potential parties that may be involved in whether that's federal provincial dollars

1552
02:12:31,390 --> 02:12:35,350
have not been established at which may be hopefully included in that network

1553
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:41,550
in that the network itself may not necessarily make dispersements until a point where that money

1554
02:12:42,210 --> 02:12:43,170
is received.

1555
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:47,600
So, through the chair, sorry I misunderstood the question.

1556
02:12:48,180 --> 02:12:53,080
There are applications in the federal and provincial governments, there was, as you heard,

1557
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:56,500
earlier, some hold-ups with respect to the Fed dev application.

1558
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:01,980
They're still working on that, there's elements and we're hoping that we'll have that money

1559
02:13:01,980 --> 02:13:02,360
in place.

1560
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:09,580
There are other areas like the University, Western University, as committed already $10 million

1561
02:13:09,580 --> 02:13:11,580
for the $10 million under way.

1562
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:18,600
They've already dispersed, I think it's around $1.1 million in terms of allocating FTE's

1563
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:20,360
operating cost to this.

1564
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:29,760
So there are other partners that are coming to the table, depending on what the timing of

1565
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:36,720
investments that we need to make, some or most of that money should be coming in, prior to

1566
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:41,500
any disbursements being made. But again, it's about getting the right investment in and

1567
02:13:41,500 --> 02:13:47,220
getting those jobs in London and those kind of businesses starting out here. So I can't guarantee

1568
02:13:47,220 --> 02:13:52,320
you with respect to the federal provincial bottom line for the other partners for sure. And certainly

1569
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:54,000
private sector money will be there.

1570
02:13:56,310 --> 02:14:01,510
Through to I thank you and just one more question just this is just a curiosity for me

1571
02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:04,970
It's good to lay the agreement it under B

1572
02:14:04,970 --> 02:14:08,540
talks about some of the economic benefits to the network to the city

1573
02:14:09,250 --> 02:14:15,350
And those including a lot of estimated numbers and I was just curious why in a sort of more formalized agreement

1574
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:21,570
We have estimated numbers versus just the formal agreement that would talk about the relationship

1575
02:14:21,570 --> 02:14:22,550
So

1576
02:14:25,490 --> 02:14:34,570
these would be specific opportunities or business plans that come forward and so what we're trying to do is satisfy some of the reporting

1577
02:14:34,570 --> 02:14:41,910
requirements. We want to see that that money is in fact going to generate a certain number of jobs and there will be a business plan that says,

1578
02:14:41,990 --> 02:14:49,530
you know within a year we might have five positions or jobs and then in ten years will be in many as 300 or so.

1579
02:14:49,970 --> 02:14:53,750
That's the type of thing we're trying to get out with that form, and it's really just by

1580
02:14:53,750 --> 02:14:55,350
way of reporting back to us.

1581
02:14:55,710 --> 02:14:58,310
They will have already undertaken the net.

1582
02:15:01,260 --> 02:15:26,320
The scientific review to make sure that the science behind whatever is coming forward is a good idea, and there will have also also undertaken the business plan review to make sure that whoever is coming forward to the idea can implement it and make sure that it will survive in terms of the financial diligence and so on. So that's what the purpose of this is really more to report back to give us a comfort level that they are investing in the right things as well.

1583
02:15:30,190 --> 02:15:31,930
and the other speakers.

1584
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:33,690
Councillor Hummer.

1585
02:15:35,450 --> 02:15:36,330
Thanks very much.

1586
02:15:37,550 --> 02:15:40,430
So, Councillor Zafin is kind of getting at the.

1587
02:15:40,430 --> 02:15:45,570
The question I want to ask about, and it's really those first two under B in terms of the,

1588
02:15:45,570 --> 02:15:48,310
you know, these are the objectives we have for the initiative.

1589
02:15:49,630 --> 02:15:54,690
These ideas will be linked in the sense that if we're talking about $56 million in impact,

1590
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:59,530
we're looking at jobs that are 550 full-time jobs around $100,000 a year,

1591
02:15:59,530 --> 02:16:04,210
or these economic impacts beyond just the salary that we're talking about for the jobs itself.

1592
02:16:04,770 --> 02:16:10,050
I asked that because if those economic impact numbers include a broader range of things, that's fine.

1593
02:16:10,490 --> 02:16:16,570
But I would be much more interested in the sort of total wages going to those jobs that I am in the total natural number of jobs.

1594
02:16:16,750 --> 02:16:18,730
The number of jobs is not that useful as a metric.

1595
02:16:19,690 --> 02:16:21,910
So I just wonder if the treasure can clarify that.

1596
02:16:26,950 --> 02:16:29,930
So there's really two elements that we're looking at.

1597
02:16:29,930 --> 02:16:34,750
Number one is the impact of role of the network, which is sort of the annual reporting piece

1598
02:16:34,750 --> 02:16:35,710
that we'd be looking at.

1599
02:16:35,850 --> 02:16:42,290
And that is, there's a whole, and we can request more information if we want it, and that's

1600
02:16:42,290 --> 02:16:43,250
one of the things that we have.

1601
02:16:43,310 --> 02:16:47,110
But that would be more general and some of thecillary stuff as well.

1602
02:16:47,410 --> 02:16:51,230
When you get into the specific economic benefits evaluation for them, that's each project,

1603
02:16:51,390 --> 02:16:55,310
and that gets a little bit more specific into the number of jobs anticipated, the additional

1604
02:16:55,310 --> 02:16:56,770
investment for that project.

1605
02:16:56,770 --> 02:17:00,430
So, what are they leveraging, how much is coming from the private sector, how much are they

1606
02:17:00,430 --> 02:17:05,910
getting from other levels of government, how much is coming in from other investors.

1607
02:17:06,970 --> 02:17:10,770
So, that's the type of thing that we're after in that, you know, it benefits evaluation

1608
02:17:10,770 --> 02:17:11,210
forms.

1609
02:17:11,410 --> 02:17:15,310
So, that, again, is on each project before every disbursement as a control.

1610
02:17:15,650 --> 02:17:20,110
The other one is a report that you will get annually that says, here's how we're doing.

1611
02:17:20,610 --> 02:17:24,530
And you get that for, I think it's 10 years we put in there.

1612
02:17:28,460 --> 02:17:28,840
Great.

1613
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:33,160
So I just want to make sure, and maybe we're looking at different sections in the same agreement.

1614
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:37,820
And I want to be clear, I'm going to support the recommendation I'm just getting into the questions,

1615
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:40,420
to make sure it's fully understood by me.

1616
02:17:41,560 --> 02:17:45,800
So part B talks about the economic benefits, and it's sort of lists off for, right?

1617
02:17:45,800 --> 02:17:49,040
So this is like, schedule A, part B, lists off for benefits.

1618
02:17:49,480 --> 02:17:55,760
Later on in the same agreement, I guess it's section O, it lists off five, and it says these

1619
02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:59,280
economic benefit metrics, including these five specific things.

1620
02:17:59,680 --> 02:18:03,340
And so for me, then people have different views, I guess, about how important these

1621
02:18:03,340 --> 02:18:04,160
methods are as metrics.

1622
02:18:05,020 --> 02:18:10,780
But the number of full-time sustainable jobs to me is not as important as the sort of wages

1623
02:18:10,780 --> 02:18:12,060
associated with those jobs.

1624
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:18,800
Because there's a big difference between 550 jobs at $40,000 a year and 550 jobs at $85,000

1625
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:19,300
a year, right?

1626
02:18:19,300 --> 02:18:24,080
And I think we're trying to aim for a certain kind of job here that is not necessarily

1627
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:25,200
a lower-paying job.

1628
02:18:26,380 --> 02:18:30,360
Another thing of the additional investment in the network, including other sources of funding,

1629
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:35,820
that's just not that relevant to me, and I don't know why we would necessarily want to include it.

1630
02:18:35,860 --> 02:18:40,660
I get to understand why would be good for the network to get to the money, but I don't know why it's important for us.

1631
02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:42,700
And then the other ones, I think, are fine.

1632
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:45,200
They have building permanent activity in the assessment growth,

1633
02:18:46,940 --> 02:18:49,640
not the most exciting of metrics, but reasonable ones.

1634
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:53,740
And so I guess it's really my questions around squaring up those four that at the beginning

1635
02:18:53,740 --> 02:19:01,040
in the five that are later, and then the bit around number of jobs, and I might be the only person who cares about this, but I just want to ask that.

1636
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:20,580
Okay, so through the chair, in the, in schedule A, the front part where the letters are all the, again, it's,

1637
02:19:20,580 --> 02:19:27,840
So, and I was looking at where the reporting was in the numbers side of it, the clause side of it.

1638
02:19:27,900 --> 02:19:36,180
These are the recycles here. So, in the recycling B, that is really restating what the strategic plan and the LMICN was when it came forward.

1639
02:19:36,540 --> 02:19:42,200
And so, basically what we're saying is this is our understanding of what you are bringing forward.

1640
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:47,960
So then when we get down to a recital O, the economic metrics,

1641
02:19:50,280 --> 02:20:04,200
that's what we had outlined that we would intend to assess and so in the focus of the day when we originally went forward with this was jobs and

1642
02:20:04,200 --> 02:20:10,860
and leverage investments. So what other investments are we getting in? And so that was really

1643
02:20:10,860 --> 02:20:17,620
where the focus was. So I mean as we go through over time we can probably add to that or request

1644
02:20:17,620 --> 02:20:21,340
more information that provision does exist in here that we can ask for more other information

1645
02:20:21,340 --> 02:20:29,900
that we want. When you get down to the annual report that is in number nine in the actual agreement

1646
02:20:29,900 --> 02:20:36,020
side and it ties it back into those economic metrics so that's basically what

1647
02:20:36,020 --> 02:20:39,380
then your report right now will be tied to in terms of what we'll be delivering.

1648
02:20:40,020 --> 02:20:46,100
What we can do is work with them to draw in numbers in terms of wages and things like that,

1649
02:20:46,220 --> 02:20:50,980
the wages or the average wage and the individuals. So we can try and tie some of those things in

1650
02:20:50,980 --> 02:20:53,360
and I'll work with the network to see if we can do that.

1651
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:57,560
I don't have any additional speakers.

1652
02:20:58,660 --> 02:21:01,560
We'll open the vote here. We'll look for a mover in a seconder.

1653
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:06,160
Move back down to our Helmer, seconded by a council event host. Any further discussion?

1654
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:07,040
We're voting.

1655
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:18,720
Closing the vote, the motion carries.

1656
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:21,120
13 with one request.

1657
02:21:22,540 --> 02:21:24,640
Okay, let's move then to item 9.

1658
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:27,500
Scheduled item. This is smart city strategy terms of reference.

1659
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:36,240
Mr. Fleming, did you want to introduce this?

1660
02:21:38,980 --> 02:21:44,240
Thank you, Your Worship. I'll be brief, but I just want to point out that this is an initiative that cuts right across

1661
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:50,760
of the organization, and I think that is reflected by the fact that the group that is leading

1662
02:21:51,780 --> 02:22:00,000
this involves planning services, engineering services, information technology, government

1663
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:06,520
in VA's own, as well as, sorry, government liaison, as well as economic development.

1664
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:12,420
And I imagine that at some point it's going to touch all of the different service areas.

1665
02:22:13,220 --> 02:22:23,700
So it is something that certainly is being worked on by a broad group and will affect a broad

1666
02:22:23,700 --> 02:22:25,460
cross-section of the organization.

1667
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:30,520
There are also a number of external partners that have been involved in the project

1668
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:31,000
to date.

1669
02:22:31,900 --> 02:22:33,660
So with that, I'll head over to Mr. Galway.

1670
02:22:37,010 --> 02:22:37,670
Thank you.

1671
02:22:37,970 --> 02:22:44,150
Through you, Mr. Chair, first I want to say a quick thank you to a variety of people who have

1672
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:50,010
instrumental in pulling this together, Mr. Daley at the end, Edward Saldo from the Engineering

1673
02:22:50,010 --> 02:22:55,490
Department. Tonight we had, they were in the audience, unfortunately they had to go, but

1674
02:22:55,490 --> 02:23:03,330
the chair of large net, Peter Gilbert and Jeff Greath and Elena Corsac, who is the director of IT

1675
02:23:03,330 --> 02:23:10,350
for London Hydro. LEDC could not be here, but they are also part of the team, Larry McKinnon. David

1676
02:23:10,350 --> 02:23:15,790
who's part of the Smart City or Smart Campus Initiative at a Western, and then staff members

1677
02:23:15,790 --> 02:23:21,430
Mark Johnson, Jersey, Smolleric, Ryan Nemis, Lauren Suley, and Alex, Maletus, from our shop

1678
02:23:21,430 --> 02:23:27,210
along with Kate Graham's area. I have also played an integral role in pulling this together

1679
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and bringing it forward and we'll continue to play a role and we'll talk about the partnership

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02:23:31,370 --> 02:23:38,630
in second. But first, we produced a video and I'm just going to show that to you now.

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On a daily basis, the world experiences unprecedented changes.

1682
02:23:47,630 --> 02:23:52,250
180,000 people are moving into cities every single day

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02:23:52,250 --> 02:23:55,490
due to urbanization and rapid population growth.

1684
02:23:56,330 --> 02:23:59,670
This is the equivalent of adding the entire population of London

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02:23:59,670 --> 02:24:02,690
to urban centers every two days.

1686
02:24:03,610 --> 02:24:07,310
Competition among cities continues to grow environmentally,

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02:24:07,990 --> 02:24:09,710
socially and economically.

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02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:17,090
The cities that embrace technology and modernization will emerge as the leaders see.

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02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:22,290
This year alone, we will have 4.9 billion connected things.

1690
02:24:23,170 --> 02:24:29,470
Though this number is large, currently only 1% of things that can be connected are connected.

1691
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:36,450
By 2020, experts agree that we will have over 50 billion internet connected things.

1692
02:24:36,450 --> 02:24:40,990
Imagine the possibilities of connecting people with constraints.

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02:24:42,530 --> 02:24:48,070
There are new services and richer experiences, exceptional economic opportunity,

1694
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:53,490
and considerable improvement in overall quality of life to the residents of the city.

1695
02:24:54,730 --> 02:24:56,690
This is smart facilities.

1696
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:07,900
In London, there are many potential smart cities technologies that can help to improve our quality of life.

1697
02:25:07,900 --> 02:25:13,720
Imagine transit stops, with large touch screens where you can find local points of interest,

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02:25:14,260 --> 02:25:17,340
current events, get real time reading information.

1699
02:25:18,380 --> 02:25:23,140
Imagine using Wi-Fi and even having the possibility of charging your smart phone all

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02:25:23,140 --> 02:25:29,220
the while you wait for transit. Imagine knowing where there are available parking spaces on

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02:25:29,220 --> 02:25:34,540
street and off street in real time, cutting down your need to drive around the block to find

1702
02:25:36,140 --> 02:25:41,460
And imagine using your smart phone to pay for that parking spot from the exact time you

1703
02:25:41,460 --> 02:25:44,260
park your heart until the moment you drag away.

1704
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:51,100
Imagine an out-fetched museum up-to-date on all city projects, initiatives and programs in

1705
02:25:51,100 --> 02:25:51,780
your needs.

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02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:58,960
One place that gives you access to all the pertinent information and upcoming changes to your

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02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:05,440
such as planning applications, street state and park improvements, and new recreational programs.

1708
02:26:07,700 --> 02:26:15,920
Smart Cities is about getting information on the flow of services, on noise pollution, traffic, and weather conditions.

1709
02:26:16,940 --> 02:26:23,460
Allowing cities to streamline their operations reduces costs and also improve economic sustainability.

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02:26:24,440 --> 02:26:31,380
We're investing in smart living, smart infrastructure, a smart economy, and smart decisions.

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02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:34,560
We can build a city of connective citizens.

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Technology is for people. Technology is there for us to use it.

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02:26:42,260 --> 02:26:44,600
Technology is for improving people's lives.

1714
02:26:45,580 --> 02:26:51,040
Smart cities represents places where people want to live by community and connected.

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02:27:03,940 --> 02:27:09,980
I'm going to jump in and talk a little bit about a couple of examples of what's happening around

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02:27:09,980 --> 02:27:15,320
the world in other places, and I'll note that I'm going to take you to some far off places,

1717
02:27:16,060 --> 02:27:21,800
but technology knows no bounds and remembering that like everything in technology it's scalable

1718
02:27:21,800 --> 02:27:28,520
and has the opportunity to work in our neighborhood at the right type of scale.

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02:27:28,520 --> 02:27:34,840
In Barcelona, which is probably the most noted smart city in the world, presently, they have

1720
02:27:34,840 --> 02:27:40,700
a variety of apps and applications that their current local government is using, particularly

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02:27:40,700 --> 02:27:42,640
Barcelona, contactless.

1722
02:27:42,980 --> 02:27:47,100
This is the ability to walk around town and tap your smartphone next to a light pole.

1723
02:27:47,380 --> 02:27:51,180
And I'll tell you exactly what's happening in and around that light pole at the local restaurants,

1724
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:56,560
at the local theaters, where the next transit connection is within so many hundreds of meters.

1725
02:27:57,420 --> 02:28:06,300
And the ability to also, if it's not tapping through near-field communications, you can also take pictures of the post and it would give you the same information.

1726
02:28:06,860 --> 02:28:16,960
They have a CDOS system that allows residents that takes real-time data that residents input as well as real-time data that they are collecting through their sensor system.

1727
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:23,380
And the city OS then puts out or collects the data, puts it together, and creates real-time

1728
02:28:23,380 --> 02:28:29,140
simulations to help with decision-making, and can per attempts to predict future or anticipated

1729
02:28:29,140 --> 02:28:34,480
problems to assist with the decision-making through the data that they've collected.

1730
02:28:35,780 --> 02:28:41,720
In Boston they have initiated a new office of urban mechanics, and this office is working

1731
02:28:41,720 --> 02:28:47,340
of RIDE projects, just to show you the scale in Boston, there are a project now in their

1732
02:28:47,340 --> 02:28:53,560
parks where it's called Sufa, and they put an urban sofa in each park, then allows you to

1733
02:28:53,560 --> 02:28:59,520
charge cell phones, two cell phones at one time, and collects environmental data on air quality

1734
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:04,800
and other type things that then gets put back into the system and allows city staff to make

1735
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:10,760
decisions on issues related to the environment. And it also has Citizen Connect, which allows

1736
02:29:10,760 --> 02:29:16,860
people to input data directly into the work maintenance system and through that, if a

1737
02:29:16,860 --> 02:29:21,320
light goes out, it goes right into the work maintenance system and that system then informs the

1738
02:29:21,320 --> 02:29:30,800
people who are required to find a solution to that problem. In Nashville, they use an application called

1739
02:29:31,820 --> 02:29:37,280
InclusiveX and that takes open data, they're open data initiative through the Metro

1740
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:43,120
national government and turns the data into readable data for the local citizens takes the

1741
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:48,980
takes that raw down and turns it into charts and applications so that people can use that data in a

1742
02:29:49,700 --> 02:29:56,500
conversing with their local government. And lastly in Chicago there's a partnership between the city of Chicago

1743
02:29:56,500 --> 02:29:59,460
and the urban center for computation and data.

1744
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,020
Your way of things. This is a project that has sensors on every lightpost in Chicago, and then

1745
02:30:06,020 --> 02:30:11,060
can feed information to somebody walking by. Is there an IC patch on the sidewalk up in front of

1746
02:30:11,060 --> 02:30:11,560
them?

1747
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:20,360
Is there an event that's going to be occurring? Is data is a rapid transit coming near

1748
02:30:20,360 --> 02:30:26,160
them if they need to connect? What's in particular? They highlight that they can send people

1749
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:29,900
information of the most busiest path to walk at night time.

1750
02:30:30,020 --> 02:30:33,400
So if you want information about how to get to a transit station,

1751
02:30:34,180 --> 02:30:36,740
the data will be collected and then sent to your application

1752
02:30:36,740 --> 02:30:39,240
and your smartphone telling you, this is the most safe

1753
02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:41,640
and best way to walk to that transit station.

1754
02:30:43,440 --> 02:30:46,440
So that's what's going around just a small sample.

1755
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:49,020
One of the interesting things about smart cities

1756
02:30:49,020 --> 02:30:51,740
is it's so broad, it can mean anything to anyone.

1757
02:30:51,740 --> 02:30:57,700
And so we're hoping to go through a process to narrow that down.

1758
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:03,500
A lot of the issues or a lot of the smart technology that you're seeing related to smart cities

1759
02:31:03,500 --> 02:31:07,900
is really driven at its finding a solution to a particular problem like in Barcelona.

1760
02:31:08,620 --> 02:31:13,300
They found out that 40% of all traffic congestion is caused by people looking for parking spots.

1761
02:31:14,340 --> 02:31:17,580
And so they decided to put sensors in every un-street parking spot.

1762
02:31:17,580 --> 02:31:25,440
then loud people to find spots on the spot, sorry, that's bad, grammar, but ability to move

1763
02:31:25,440 --> 02:31:32,540
and be able to get to that spot and reduce overall traffic congestion. We have grouped these types

1764
02:31:32,540 --> 02:31:38,320
of things into four categories as you'll note in the staff report, and so we believe between

1765
02:31:38,320 --> 02:31:42,300
smart living, smart infrastructures, smart economy and smart governance and decisions,

1766
02:31:42,300 --> 02:32:01,580
We can focus on things that allow us to define what we need and move forward and then be able to have a strategy to look at options and projects that will help us implement some of these smart technologies over time.

1767
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And so smart living is more about public engagement, how to converse with the public, smart infrastructure, I think speaks for itself, smart economy.

1768
02:32:10,100 --> 02:32:16,440
This is about supporting a lot of those elements around the technological components of the economy.

1769
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:19,780
And of course, using the data we collect, how do we manage it?

1770
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Because eventually we're going to be able to collect lots of data, so how do we manage it?

1771
02:32:24,500 --> 02:32:27,440
And how do we use it to assist in our decision-making?

1772
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:34,320
The scope of work, as you will note in the staff report, is broken into three phases.

1773
02:32:35,260 --> 02:32:41,260
The first phase is pulling together a public engagement component and doing an assessment

1774
02:32:41,260 --> 02:32:46,660
of where we are right now. What level are we at right now? Doing analysis of the best practices

1775
02:32:46,660 --> 02:32:51,840
that are out there and then finding the gap between what we're doing right now and what is

1776
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:57,340
the best practice out there. From there, in the second phase, we will pull that data

1777
02:32:57,340 --> 02:33:03,700
and the data we've garnered through the public engagement component and put that together to

1778
02:33:04,780 --> 02:33:09,720
facilitate a draft of a smart city strategy that will allow us to pinpoint our focus

1779
02:33:09,720 --> 02:33:16,480
of where we need to move forward. And then phase three is building implementation plan because

1780
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:22,180
smart cities can be as little as putting a sofa with a ability to charge a phone at a park to

1781
02:33:22,180 --> 02:33:30,340
doing some significantly larger-scale public projects, creating a list of those things that

1782
02:33:30,340 --> 02:33:35,660
will drive the implementation of the strategy that we've come up with and costing so that

1783
02:33:35,660 --> 02:33:41,400
we can sit down and have a conversation that Council can then have a conversation about

1784
02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:47,560
what they wish to implement and here's the costs that are associated with implementing it.

1785
02:33:48,900 --> 02:33:55,600
It's a partnership, large net is put $75,000, and that large net includes the hospitals,

1786
02:33:57,060 --> 02:34:04,100
the college, the university, the university, and other smaller public scale entities.

1787
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:08,700
Large net is the service provider for internet, for these entities.

1788
02:34:09,980 --> 02:34:17,920
ITS and planning services have then put in the remaining 50,000 to make a total of 125,000 to initiate the project.

1789
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:25,400
And over the project team, as I noted earlier in my thank you's, has a wide variety,

1790
02:34:26,100 --> 02:34:30,660
I apologize there is one group missing the community, an economic innovation group under

1791
02:34:30,660 --> 02:34:36,480
Kate Graham, but also involved and of course environment engineering information technology.

1792
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:44,560
So that is a quick overview of the project and the direction we're hoping to take, so I'm open

1793
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:45,060
for questions.

1794
02:34:46,020 --> 02:34:52,460
Thank you, Scalaway. Okay, colleagues. You've seen the presentation. You've read the report. Any questions or comments at this time?

1795
02:34:53,140 --> 02:34:53,500
Definitely a few.

1796
02:34:55,300 --> 02:35:05,740
I'll be brief. I think this is absolutely very much parallel with any of the things we've been doing over the last four or five years.

1797
02:35:06,780 --> 02:35:13,700
And ironically enough, you know, the planning department is playing a central role, and I think technology plays a central role in this well.

1798
02:35:14,600 --> 02:35:21,880
I know that both the Chamber of Commerce and Western are very excited about this initiative.

1799
02:35:22,460 --> 02:35:30,580
There's discussion with a significant commercial venture establishing a smart city lab at Western that we hope will come to fruition.

1800
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And that will provide us with, as I say, excuse me,

1801
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:40,660
was some significant resources and advantages.

1802
02:35:42,620 --> 02:35:43,860
But, you know, Mr. Mayor, one of the things

1803
02:35:43,860 --> 02:35:46,980
that my research on this whole initiative that I've seen

1804
02:35:46,980 --> 02:35:49,360
is it's really interesting to me.

1805
02:35:49,580 --> 02:35:53,540
They talk about generations, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0,

1806
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:55,440
and God knows what 4.0 might be.

1807
02:35:55,980 --> 02:35:57,200
But they haven't gotten there yet.

1808
02:35:57,200 --> 02:36:03,200
But what's interesting to me is 3.0 is where the city is the co-creator.

1809
02:36:03,980 --> 02:36:09,160
2.0 is the city, it leads it, but it's tech enabled.

1810
02:36:09,820 --> 02:36:13,760
And I just think of our London plan and how it was a co-creation.

1811
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:21,800
It was a ground up, if you will, versus a top down initiative.

1812
02:36:22,660 --> 02:36:28,880
and this really sets us up, and I looked at your strategy and it's like, oh, we already

1813
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:34,540
got this kind of in place, a different subject matter, but we've already done this sort

1814
02:36:34,540 --> 02:36:41,500
of thing significantly, and so I think we're very much poised to be able to engage.

1815
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:48,480
I am interested and will be interested to see not so much at a city level, but I think

1816
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:54,700
It's interesting, we talked in our strategic plan about London being a city of neighborhoods.

1817
02:36:56,120 --> 02:37:04,420
And I think there's something, maybe just my intuition is livingston, around neighborhoods

1818
02:37:04,420 --> 02:37:09,100
as being sort of those connecting points.

1819
02:37:09,420 --> 02:37:16,840
And what that might look is you populate the data into the technology at a neighborhood level,

1820
02:37:16,840 --> 02:37:19,160
versus at a global city level.

1821
02:37:19,940 --> 02:37:23,620
And I think it might be fascinating to see how that could become

1822
02:37:23,620 --> 02:37:28,080
an engine for some of the neighborhood initiatives

1823
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:32,420
as the Strength and Lent in Neighborhoods initiatives comes forward.

1824
02:37:33,060 --> 02:37:36,080
And using that data at a neighborhood level,

1825
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:39,520
you always got to pick what your level of population

1826
02:37:40,220 --> 02:37:42,400
when you're looking at data basis is.

1827
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:46,180
And I think the neighborhood for London may be that

1828
02:37:46,180 --> 02:37:55,760
That level because there's what 50 45 40 42 42 I stand corrected. So I think this is brilliant

1829
02:37:55,760 --> 02:38:00,860
I'll be fascinated to see where it goes, but also this isn't just about cool

1830
02:38:00,860 --> 02:38:10,260
This is about economic development and strategic advantage and for small businesses and for the tech sector and I was talking to someone last week

1831
02:38:10,780 --> 02:38:13,050
and they're very excited about

1832
02:38:13,050 --> 02:38:21,070
about this initiative with some of the Wi-Fi stuff and some of the cabling that's happening

1833
02:38:21,070 --> 02:38:27,490
in terms of moving our city forward was smart technology but as a smart city.

1834
02:38:29,770 --> 02:38:30,470
Councillor Russia.

1835
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:37,670
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess anyone who reads this or just see this presentation would

1836
02:38:37,670 --> 02:38:43,090
get excited if there's smart enough that they want to be part of a smart city. So I fully agree

1837
02:38:43,090 --> 02:38:47,350
everything. I'm not fully agree with everything that comes to the

1838
02:38:47,350 --> 02:38:48,810
Hebrew said.

1839
02:38:51,370 --> 02:38:55,590
I love it. One of the things that, well, there are many

1840
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:58,290
things that concerns me because I don't know where we're going to get the

1841
02:38:58,290 --> 02:39:01,750
money to do this, but we're going to have to find it. However, the one thing I

1842
02:39:01,750 --> 02:39:06,210
want to ask about is the infrastructure. Because we talk about a lot of

1843
02:39:06,210 --> 02:39:13,070
things, you talk about large net, comes to the Hebrew, talk about the

1844
02:39:13,070 --> 02:39:19,810
There's some basic infrastructure that is needed in order to be able to accommodate such

1845
02:39:19,810 --> 02:39:28,990
as a network of fibroptics or anything like that in order to down below, I'm just asking

1846
02:39:28,990 --> 02:39:34,430
that question because in all days that's what you need it, is there something that you don't

1847
02:39:34,430 --> 02:39:37,330
need to make this a complex list?

1848
02:39:40,670 --> 02:39:47,170
Well, one of the things is technology is constantly changing, so we don't know what tomorrow will bring.

1849
02:39:48,590 --> 02:39:54,970
But certainly, don't just think of it in terms of fiber optics, but there's all the components around sensors.

1850
02:39:56,430 --> 02:40:03,730
Managing infrastructure, our current infrastructure, and the report you'll notice there's a list of things that we are already doing right now.

1851
02:40:04,890 --> 02:40:13,830
And so, don't just focus on the fiber optics, there is a network's in place, and certainly

1852
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:20,130
I might turn it over to Matt to speak more appropriately about technology, I just know

1853
02:40:20,130 --> 02:40:24,230
how to operate my mobile phone at this point, but Matt might be able to help out a little

1854
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:24,410
more.

1855
02:40:26,520 --> 02:40:28,160
Thank you, and through the chair.

1856
02:40:28,520 --> 02:40:30,500
I can't stop sure it brings up a very good question.

1857
02:40:30,500 --> 02:40:37,660
ITS is currently right now working with Rogers to create an access point, name, network.

1858
02:40:38,760 --> 02:40:42,240
And in some cases, we'll remove us away from our need for fiber.

1859
02:40:42,740 --> 02:40:46,260
We will never completely leave the need for fiber for backhaul.

1860
02:40:46,740 --> 02:40:51,760
But what this allows us to do is, this allows us to leverage a personalized cell network.

1861
02:40:52,400 --> 02:40:57,020
So for all those sensors, they would have a SIM card in them, then communicate up to the

1862
02:40:57,020 --> 02:41:04,340
network and then back into our servers and our databases. So some of that work is already being done.

1863
02:41:04,720 --> 02:41:08,700
So when it comes to some of that infrastructure stuff, there will undoubtedly be costs

1864
02:41:08,700 --> 02:41:14,540
associated with this, depending on the scope that comes back associated with the gap.

1865
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:19,680
But to Councillor Sussher's question about the infrastructure, there will always be a need for

1866
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:25,060
fiber for backhaul, but there's also very interesting opportunities right now around those personal

1867
02:41:25,060 --> 02:41:29,880
sell networks that the city is seeking to leverage right now. Thank you.

1868
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:36,940
Well, I'm really happy to get it answered. It's the chair because one of the things that I always

1869
02:41:36,940 --> 02:41:44,340
fair is that we, every time we talk this language and we talk about that book hall infrastructure,

1870
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:49,380
people may think that we are talking from one end of London to the other, but it's really,

1871
02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:54,580
those facilities are only really in the dumb town. And I'd like to see something like this if we're

1872
02:41:54,580 --> 02:42:00,120
talk about smart city. We're talking about we're encompassing all of London from one

1873
02:42:00,120 --> 02:42:04,640
boundary to the other and I know that we have the region that work that might be

1874
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:10,360
able to help facilitate this but I just wanted to be sure. Now my last question is

1875
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:18,120
that ultimately how is it going to be financed or is that a silly question at this

1876
02:42:18,120 --> 02:42:19,200
point in time?

1877
02:42:22,220 --> 02:42:26,460
Well ultimately I think the first step is to find out what we need

1878
02:42:26,460 --> 02:42:32,880
to do to find out what exactly the projects are that we as a community and use a council

1879
02:42:32,880 --> 02:42:41,980
wish to undertake. And so that's why that implementation plans put in place with the in the

1880
02:42:41,980 --> 02:42:47,400
terms of references to cost those elements out so that our conversation can happen about the

1881
02:42:47,400 --> 02:42:53,200
cost of doing these things and what projects then are the most beneficial for us to move forward

1882
02:42:53,740 --> 02:42:56,300
in investing in the smart city.

1883
02:42:57,580 --> 02:42:59,020
Mr. Zidabon did you want to say something?

1884
02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:03,800
Yeah, I just wanted to try and then on that one as well and when it comes to the cost

1885
02:43:04,440 --> 02:43:11,700
through the chair, we have some fabulous businesses in this community and some of those businesses

1886
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might very well want to get into the smart city world and in that regard, they might look for

1887
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assistance at some point in time, they may not be looking for our money, but they may

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be looking for our partnership to work with them to move their businesses forward in

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such a manner that we can do it without infusing cash.

1890
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So I think we need to keep our minds open.

1891
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There might be things that we might do that cost something, and there might be things that we

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do as ambassadors with our business community to facilitate London being put on the map

1893
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and the business world perspective in terms of smart cities.

1894
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Councillor Morgan.

1895
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Well, thanks for the presentation.

1896
02:44:03,730 --> 02:44:07,630
Through the chair, I just want to make a couple of comments and the overall strategy.

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First, I think this is a step in the right direction, but quite frankly, this is one of those things

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where if you're going to do it, you're going to have to change the culture of not just

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this institution, but the businesses and the policy framework out there.

1900
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I know that you say, we'll come up with a plan, we'll start with no cost solutions and kickstart off the implementation plan,

1901
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where this has been successful in the cities that you've named.

1902
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They've set up a structure to try to embrace this, whether it's embossed in the newer room in canics,

1903
02:44:40,990 --> 02:44:46,550
setting up a department that goes out and figures out how to implement and do this stuff, regardless of the cost.

1904
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In some cases, they're cost-free, and they're doing really cool things there beyond what you mentioned.

1905
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And some of it is about policy framework and a approach of the organization.

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I'll give you an example.

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They have an app that requires...

1908
02:45:02,680 --> 02:45:11,480
The City sends back a picture of the crew fixing it, right? And saying, hey, thanks for that. And that's like a connecting with people type thing.

1909
02:45:11,840 --> 02:45:19,240
But you can have all the technology in the world if you're not going to embrace it in a approach it in innovative ways. You're not going to achieve the maximum result.

1910
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And, you know, there's a reason why like dominoes is testing, you know, delivering pizzas by drones.

1911
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And then I'm not doing it here.

1912
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It's because we don't have a permissive policy framework for a private business to innovate and become part of this foreign city.

1913
02:45:35,100 --> 02:45:39,360
So the one thing that's missing this report is if you want to go in this direction,

1914
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how are we going to create a permissive policy framework?

1915
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How are we going to be ahead of the curve so that we're not spending money?

1916
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but we're allowing innovation to happen from the private business where we don't have

1917
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unintentional barriers because of the way that we simply have always run, you know,

1918
02:45:54,940 --> 02:46:00,220
our policies, guidelines, bylaws, and framework, and who in the city is going to look at those

1919
02:46:00,220 --> 02:46:06,020
and provide a permission framework. So I like the concept. I think it's, you know, we don't want

1920
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to get too far behind on this stuff quite frankly. We are light years behind other cities in where

1921
02:46:12,220 --> 02:46:17,360
we could get to. We've got great people on staff who can start to think about this, but I think

1922
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if you want to come back and do this right, you've got to think pretty big and you've got

1923
02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:28,320
to think innovative well beyond the scope of what you have here and into upper missive policy

1924
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framework as well.

1925
02:46:31,880 --> 02:46:32,360
Briefly?

1926
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:37,500
Thank you for that, and maybe it didn't come through as well as it could have, but the intention

1927
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was the smart governance and decision-making element, was to talk about our policy framework

1928
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And of course, we have some of that in the London plan as well, but certainly we can take a look and add more.

1929
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Then I would add it right into the bullet under smart governance decisions, because it's not clear there.

1930
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It's not one of the items.

1931
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I mean, it says government structures for private and public partnerships to operate potential municipal assets,

1932
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but it's not talking about us really taking a look at the barriers that policy can create to that sort of innovation.

1933
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if you want to be a place you're going to leverage this if we're going to build this and we're going to do it the way that you you you you but the grand vision

1934
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then you got to allow the private sector to take advantage of it in some effective way and we may as well say that very clearly

1935
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:28,420
Okay, fair enough, Councillor Schwerp

1936
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I have to admit through you Mr. Chair this is one of those things when I receive it I read it I look at it I get it sort of that it's important but I can't appreciate I suppose on a day-to-day basis

1937
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how it's going to help the people that elected me because I can tell you that on a day-to-day

1938
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basis, their priorities are not the things that you've talked about. They don't want to go

1939
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tap a phone on a poll to do something. They want me to do concrete things. I get very skeptical

1940
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about this stuff and one of my predecessors say, well, what happens, Phil, as you get what's called

1941
02:48:03,300 --> 02:48:09,420
approval creep? You get the terms of reference out there. Administration starts working on it.

1942
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They come over the plan with a bill attached to it and then they say, well, you sort of set us along in this course, so now we want to spend a whack on money.

1943
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So I think from my point of view this does not excite me. I'm sorry.

1944
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I get it, but I just think there's so many priorities in our city right now that we have to cross before we start tapping our phones on polls that I'm sorry.

1945
02:48:33,860 --> 02:48:40,060
I get it, but I don't have the level of excitement that you want me to have and I'm sorry about that.

1946
02:48:40,280 --> 02:48:46,020
So when it comes back, if you're going to get someone like me on board and the people who voted for me,

1947
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you're going to have to do what Councillor Morgan said.

1948
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You're going to have to practically show people how this is going to make their lives better day to day.

1949
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And I think that's important.

1950
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In Ward 6, if you put an internet sofa in a park, people think the students have gone crazy and taken over the park or something.

1951
02:49:03,300 --> 02:49:09,280
I mean, this has to hit ground floor, and I wish I could be more enthusiastic than not.

1952
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Councillor Benholst.

1953
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Thank you Mr. Chair on through you. I like that Councillor Morgan brought up innovation.

1954
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Innovations are very exciting. I remember 2001 working on smart homes, and we were programming

1955
02:49:24,650 --> 02:49:29,930
technologies that were just coming off the lines and combining things that had never been

1956
02:49:29,930 --> 02:49:59,450
put together before, in my third year in university, I invented a chemical process, and so the one thing I'd like to say is that when you do your search for best practices and your gap analysis is that you don't always have to look to other people like there's the possibility that you can just come up with something yourself, but often I see that we're going to look and see what other municipalities are going to do.

1957
02:49:59,930 --> 02:50:05,830
as somebody who think is an innovator and likes innovation, I want us to just start thinking

1958
02:50:05,830 --> 02:50:13,590
on our own as well as use your imagination because if we make up our own things we can

1959
02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:19,590
capitalize on them just copying somebody else isn't quite just good so leave yourself

1960
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:26,210
open to that because you know it's certainly possible I think we've got excellent creative

1961
02:50:26,210 --> 02:50:34,810
smart people here that and I don't want to have us be stuck in the wrong mindset that doesn't

1962
02:50:34,810 --> 02:50:41,630
doesn't allow us to leapfrog ahead of other people's ideas so thanks okay I have no additional

1963
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speakers at this time other than Councillor Helmer thanks very much so you know I like this

1964
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:56,190
approach I think Councillor Morgan is is very right in saying that one of the areas we have to look at

1965
02:50:56,210 --> 02:51:02,170
is the policy framework, and what kind of regulations we've got on businesses that are trying

1966
02:51:02,170 --> 02:51:09,510
to do work in this area already, and I know from some of them that how we'll let people cut

1967
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:13,930
or not cut into the roadway and lay fiber optic is an area that they've got some concerns

1968
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with.

1969
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It drives up the costs the way we want them to do it, they could do more of it if we let them

1970
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do it in a different way, other cities do do it in a different way.

1971
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So when you talk about doing municipal best practices review and that kind of piece, I know it's

1972
02:51:26,850 --> 02:51:31,010
in our usual plan to look at that, I know that there's lots of policies in the London

1973
02:51:31,010 --> 02:51:33,430
planner on smart cities that support that.

1974
02:51:33,650 --> 02:51:38,890
But I do think that needs to part of the phase one of the terms of reference and I don't

1975
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know to what extent it actually needs to be amended because I think the language is there,

1976
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I just want to make sure that we do it.

1977
02:51:44,470 --> 02:51:48,990
The other piece is that we're kind of dancing around the issue around fiber optic infrastructure

1978
02:51:48,990 --> 02:51:50,370
throughout the city.

1979
02:51:52,490 --> 02:51:54,370
And one of my colleagues is asking about it, you know,

1980
02:51:54,450 --> 02:51:57,550
I don't focus too much in the fiber. I want to focus a lot on the fiber.

1981
02:51:58,310 --> 02:52:03,010
And this is, you know, right now the way I would describe how we look at this is that

1982
02:52:03,010 --> 02:52:05,490
this is something that private business is going to provide in the city.

1983
02:52:06,470 --> 02:52:09,470
And our responsibility really is to,

1984
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:11,750
there's a little bit of conduit space somewhere in the road allowance.

1985
02:52:13,310 --> 02:52:17,310
And people can use it or not when we happen to have the road opener or not.

1986
02:52:17,310 --> 02:52:24,570
And when we build new communities we have some requirements around making that connection available to those new communities.

1987
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My concern is that this is just a fundamental piece of the economy now, and it's really important to get people's goods to market.

1988
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It's also important for attracting and retaining the kind of people who make good incomes and work and high growth industries that are connected to the internet.

1989
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And it's not good enough just to have it at work.

1990
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You know, you want to go home and have really fast affordable internet at the same person who does that for their job wants to have it at home as well

1991
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:52,090
And it's something that I think we need to have a city-wide

1992
02:52:52,090 --> 02:52:53,390
It's also very

1993
02:52:53,390 --> 02:52:59,070
It can be very expensive depending how you do it and I'm not convinced that it needs to be a municipality that led

1994
02:52:59,870 --> 02:53:02,330
Venture, which is how it has done in other places

1995
02:53:03,550 --> 02:53:09,610
My old hometown of Braisebridge is that a joint venture with six municipalities most of them smaller than Braisebridge

1996
02:53:09,610 --> 02:53:12,610
that to provide fiber optic internet service throughout the entire region

1997
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at a cost of $70 per month

1998
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uh... and that's a made self-financing

1999
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and uh... and it's real amazing uh... economic advantage for them in that region

2000
02:53:21,790 --> 02:53:25,910
uh... so i don't know we have to go that route i think we can probably do it by just

2001
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:28,450
supporting and changing the policy framework

2002
02:53:28,450 --> 02:53:32,390
to allow uh... probably business to be a bit more competitive here

2003
02:53:32,390 --> 02:53:35,490
the problem we have generally in Canada and i think this is why brace purchase

2004
02:53:35,490 --> 02:53:40,150
being able to do things that other cities have not, is that they've been ignored by some of the big operators,

2005
02:53:41,730 --> 02:53:45,030
and they had to figure out themselves because no one else is going to do it for them.

2006
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:51,450
And now we've got a situation in London where a lot of people have pretty good internet access if you have money.

2007
02:53:51,870 --> 02:53:59,070
And if you don't, you probably have pretty junky internet access, and it's probably something you would like faster and cheaper.

2008
02:53:59,070 --> 02:54:04,390
And it is possible to do it faster and cheaper, but it will require us to look at it as a different thing.

2009
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If we keep looking at it as, it's some kind of like thing you may be, yeah, it would be better if it was a little bit faster.

2010
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That's not right.

2011
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You know, it's just like having a road or having power. This is how fundamental it is to getting things done and growing our economy.

2012
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So, I think this is falling a bit short, frankly, on that front. You know, I don't think I don't see really clear articulation on what are we trying to achieve there.

2013
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even in the sort of phase one, like looking at what's the situation now,

2014
02:54:29,850 --> 02:54:31,910
what are people paying now, how faster this speeds now,

2015
02:54:31,910 --> 02:54:36,090
who are the providers, what parts of the city have good access and which don't,

2016
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where they're opportunities to improve.

2017
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Like, I think that should be part of our smart cities.

2018
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A lot of it seems to be from the perspective of

2019
02:54:43,930 --> 02:54:48,070
the municipality as I need to acquire data, I want to get sensors, and I get all that,

2020
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:52,650
and that's, I think, reasonable good reasons to do all those things.

2021
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:57,670
But what's not there is, this is an infrastructure piece we've got to be providing in the city.

2022
02:54:57,850 --> 02:55:01,330
What is the current state of that infrastructure in the way it's been provided so far?

2023
02:55:01,570 --> 02:55:05,390
How can we change our policies or the way we do our other infrastructure pieces?

2024
02:55:05,570 --> 02:55:11,690
Complete streets, all that stuff to make sure that we can give the private sector what they need to make it happen.

2025
02:55:12,490 --> 02:55:19,350
And I know we've got in a community economic roadmap, a piece in there, but working with the developers to make sure this stuff works out, which is good.

2026
02:55:19,350 --> 02:55:21,630
We've got a lot of these things

2027
02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:27,750
But I'm not sure that this one is is really embracing that piece so I'm fine with the smart city strategy

2028
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:34,070
But I don't think it's covering all of the all of the work we need to do and I think there's other stuff we need to do on the infrastructure side

2029
02:55:34,890 --> 02:55:36,530
That we have to pursue elsewhere

2030
02:55:38,230 --> 02:55:46,910
Okay, thank you. We're into our second round at Councillor Morgan in banhol. Yes, I just want to make clear that you know, I came across fairly

2031
02:55:48,410 --> 02:55:50,750
a brace of perhaps, I don't know what the term is.

2032
02:55:51,150 --> 02:55:56,310
I'm very supportive of this, and I guess the way that I spoke was because I think

2033
02:55:56,310 --> 02:56:00,490
that we can, I think we just think about this in a lot more aggressive way, and I think

2034
02:56:00,490 --> 02:56:06,250
if you want to do it, let's not go for a plan that might maybe work, and we'll decide what

2035
02:56:06,250 --> 02:56:12,110
we're going to do it or not, but engaging that private sector and creating a culture of

2036
02:56:12,110 --> 02:56:42,090
I think it's got to be a parallel strategy to this, like Councilor Helmer said, and I think when you start to talk about infrastructure, and this is being digital infrastructure, then when we get into future reports on this, I'm hoping I see some other names to do with intergovernmental relations, and we start to think about when we go for infrastructure asks of the federal government, who's going to move into that phase the way they campaigned and what they put their platform on, that this is the type of stuff that we want to try to be innovative about, and push to say, this is infrastructure.

2037
02:56:42,110 --> 02:56:46,330
structure for us. This is, you know, like the other things that we're asking for and it's a parallel

2038
02:56:46,330 --> 02:56:48,770
ask within that envelope as well.

2039
02:56:50,750 --> 02:56:51,490
How's your event host?

2040
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:59,260
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just wanted to support Councillor Helmer with a number that I heard

2041
02:56:59,260 --> 02:57:07,880
while talking to as somebody in the tech industry that a fast connection can mean so much to them.

2042
02:57:07,880 --> 02:57:14,140
Especially a startup because just in terms of communications, might save a thousand dollars a

2043
02:57:14,140 --> 02:57:23,540
If you can, if you can do your communications through streaming and that's a, that's a, that's a big deal for a company to just starting out. So quite valuable.

2044
02:57:24,820 --> 02:57:33,040
And again to the point that Councillor Morgan had made kind of going bigger going home, deciding to be a leader.

2045
02:57:33,460 --> 02:57:35,580
That's, of course, that's what London Hydro did.

2046
02:57:35,580 --> 02:57:43,440
their board decided we're losing IT people and our approach should just be

2047
02:57:43,440 --> 02:57:47,820
we need to be at the front the best so this is the most exciting place to work

2048
02:57:48,660 --> 02:57:53,440
and that happened people want to stay there and they are at at the leading edge

2049
02:57:54,340 --> 02:57:58,000
so you may have some catching up to do but you can always do a little leap

2050
02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:03,100
progging and I hope we do it thank you great I have no additional speakers

2051
02:58:03,100 --> 02:58:06,840
Mr. Gallaway, thank you for the presentation. We will call the question now.

2052
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It's been moved by Councillor O'Shaer, seconded by Councillor Zafin.

2053
02:58:10,980 --> 02:58:11,260
We're voting.

2054
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Closing the vote, the motion carries 14 to 0.

2055
02:58:32,700 --> 02:58:35,420
Great. Colleagues, let's turn our attention and then do consent item.

2056
02:58:36,200 --> 02:58:39,780
We need to deal with consent items. 2, 3, 4 and 5.

2057
02:58:40,080 --> 02:58:45,300
We could deal with those collectively unless you'd like to pull one or more Councillor Park.

2058
02:58:45,860 --> 02:58:47,940
I don't need it pulled, but I'd like to speak to number two.

2059
02:58:47,940 --> 02:58:53,900
Speaking to two. Okay. And the others. Do you want to pull three or just speak three?

2060
02:58:54,660 --> 02:59:01,520
Pull three. Okay. We'll do a three separately. Councillor Hummer. I'd like to pull all of them.

2061
02:59:04,370 --> 02:59:09,950
Okay. We'll deal with them one to time. Councillor Park, you're up for two.

2062
02:59:11,170 --> 02:59:14,850
Thank you very much. And this report, I think, might be one of the most significant

2063
02:59:14,850 --> 02:59:19,870
that we have going for it as a council with regard to building bridges with our Aboriginal

2064
02:59:19,870 --> 02:59:26,690
populations in the city, and I just want to speak not only as a collective, but as an individual

2065
02:59:26,690 --> 02:59:32,450
counselor alongside with Councilor Rand Holes have really reached into the NAMRI in Friendship

2066
02:59:32,450 --> 02:59:37,930
Center and has really been participating in two really outstanding projects that they have

2067
02:59:38,290 --> 02:59:49,850
working last week. We attended a feasibility workshop with regard to homework bound, which is a

2068
02:59:49,850 --> 02:59:55,430
Aboriginal mothers and their children, and it just makes me so proud that NAMRIANT is

2069
02:59:55,430 --> 02:59:58,790
going to the next level and bringing that project here to London because of

2070
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:19,980
Those people's lives, and at the end of the project in Toronto where this project is originally from, they had 80% positive outcomes with this project where Aboriginal mothers were housed, and their children were housed, and they were gainfully employed. That's the 80% success rate, which is outstanding.

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03:00:20,820 --> 03:00:38,600
And in turn, the other project that NAMRINE is working on is to reach out to the business community to ensure that they have strong relationships with employers and job training organizations that are helpful with urban Aboriginal population.

2072
03:00:39,380 --> 03:00:43,400
So I think that this is something we certainly need to move forward on.

2073
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:47,580
Thank you, Councillor. I have Councillor Hopkins, statement and capacity.

2074
03:00:48,560 --> 03:01:07,780
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was very pleased to to receive this report. I do have a couple of questions and one of the questions I have is about the consulting process. I understand that first nations will be consulted and report will be coming forward.

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And given that, will there be an opportunity for Council to hear First Nations views on the report?

2076
03:01:17,820 --> 03:01:36,680
I know there's probably not a public participation process here, but I would like to know if there is going to be an opportunity that we will hear response from First Nations as to their comments on the report coming to us.

2077
03:01:40,040 --> 03:01:51,500
Thank you for the question, so the main recommendation in this report is that we'd be very actively engaged in the FCM work and a part of the scope of what that group will be doing is direct connections.

2078
03:01:52,140 --> 03:01:57,420
So as an example, FCM just recently reached out to us. I vote holding a joint workshop with one of.

2079
03:01:57,500 --> 03:02:05,640
It's with the Chippewa of the TEM sometime in the New Year, which council members would be invited to. So there may be opportunities through working with FCM for us to have those direct connections.

2080
03:02:07,080 --> 03:02:12,740
Good. I'm glad to hear that. As a counselor, it's going to be important for me to hear

2081
03:02:12,740 --> 03:02:19,060
exactly from them with their views. The second question that I have through you, Mr. Chair,

2082
03:02:19,200 --> 03:02:26,600
is the part here on the education component. I understand that I guess there will be staff training

2083
03:02:29,500 --> 03:02:33,960
opportunities once that education piece is put in place but will there be an

2084
03:02:33,960 --> 03:02:39,920
opportunity for the Londoners to become educated? I know as a counselor I would

2085
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:45,180
like to know a little bit more and I think of the more education we put out to

2086
03:02:45,180 --> 03:02:49,880
the public the greater understanding and reconciliation we will have.

2087
03:02:51,780 --> 03:02:55,460
I'm again through the chair so you'll note that the FCM working group identified

2088
03:02:55,460 --> 03:03:00,280
five recommendations specifically that they would like to advance as a group. And one of them

2089
03:03:00,280 --> 03:03:06,260
was the piece on education. I think it was number 57 of the recommendations list. So there may

2090
03:03:06,260 --> 03:03:10,360
be opportunities for us to work with FCM to develop training or participate in programs that

2091
03:03:10,360 --> 03:03:15,800
would be useful for city staff as far as the broader community piece. Completely agree. I think that's

2092
03:03:15,800 --> 03:03:20,180
the intention of this entire process of anything we can do to help advance awareness in the community

2093
03:03:20,180 --> 03:03:22,580
of this process and its report is a benefit.

2094
03:03:24,640 --> 03:03:25,160
Councillor Zipman.

2095
03:03:27,380 --> 03:03:28,220
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2096
03:03:30,100 --> 03:03:33,180
And I very glad to hear about a lot of the work.

2097
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:39,060
Obviously, as one of the, as one of City Council's members representatives on FCM.

2098
03:03:39,280 --> 03:03:42,760
I know one of the committees that I said on issues such as this have been talked about,

2099
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:46,780
and I know I'm assuming Deputy Mayor Cassidy will likely speak a bit about this.

2100
03:03:46,940 --> 03:03:50,160
She's been involved quite heavily in doing some work on this as well, which I think is great.

2101
03:03:51,000 --> 03:04:07,220
I know I had the fortune as well last Friday to be at an event with the mayor of the Deputy Mayor for at Loza, and hearing from Justice and Claire speaks specifically about the truth of reconciliation commission, and it was very, very interesting hearing from him and what he had to say, obviously.

2102
03:04:08,380 --> 03:04:18,000
One thing that I guess I feel is a bit missing from this is, while there's lots of work being done at the FCM level, this report does only speak much in terms of what we're doing locally here in London.

2103
03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:23,880
And we as a council could possibly do, and obviously there is some work through the FCM working group that may come to us.

2104
03:04:24,460 --> 03:04:31,760
But one thing I want to ask to the mayor to staff, we have a lot of items here that we're looked at to be considered as action items for us to pursue,

2105
03:04:32,300 --> 03:04:34,420
but none of them are recommendations that we're looking at.

2106
03:04:34,740 --> 03:04:38,300
And so I wonder why none of those are here as recommendations today,

2107
03:04:38,920 --> 03:04:43,120
or why there was not much of a discussion around why or why not we would be taking up some of those actions.

2108
03:04:45,530 --> 03:04:47,250
Through the chair, so thank you, that's a great question.

2109
03:04:47,250 --> 03:04:57,590
We did with the direction of SPPC do a consult internally on all of the 94 recommendations in the report to identify the ones that would have a municipal impact.

2110
03:04:57,830 --> 03:05:05,810
You'll note in the report that we identified five that there is a municipal impact for and the list is very similar to the list that FCM's group is working on.

2111
03:05:06,370 --> 03:05:13,670
So what we're recommending here is that we investigated those things as a part of the FCM work, but not necessarily independently as a city.

2112
03:05:17,700 --> 03:05:18,400
Don't be mere casting.

2113
03:05:19,780 --> 03:05:20,220
Thank you.

2114
03:05:20,220 --> 03:05:26,220
I just want to, through you, Mr. Chair, thank you, Ms. Graham and the rest of the staff that

2115
03:05:26,220 --> 03:05:26,920
I worked on this report.

2116
03:05:27,020 --> 03:05:30,740
I thought it was a really thorough and a really good report.

2117
03:05:32,840 --> 03:05:37,020
In the report, it talks about the mandate of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and I really

2118
03:05:37,020 --> 03:05:41,260
think, you know, the second bullet point, where it says to guide an inspire process of truth

2119
03:05:41,260 --> 03:05:45,120
and healing, leading toward reconciliation within Aboriginal families and then it goes on

2120
03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:50,660
say, and Canadians generally, and the process to work, to renew relationships on the

2121
03:05:50,660 --> 03:05:52,820
basis of inclusion, mutual understanding, and respect.

2122
03:05:53,880 --> 03:06:02,840
And I really see that that's necessary for London to respond appropriately and towards

2123
03:06:02,840 --> 03:06:06,200
this goal of mutual understanding and respect.

2124
03:06:07,740 --> 03:06:14,080
In London, we have almost 2% of our inhabitants identify themselves as Aboriginal, and as

2125
03:06:14,080 --> 03:06:22,820
Councilors, I can say we have a lot of, we're doing a lot through FCM to address some of

2126
03:06:22,820 --> 03:06:28,340
the issues as well and I have the honor and privilege to sit on a urban Aboriginal working

2127
03:06:28,340 --> 03:06:34,240
group through FCM and I get a chance to see what other municipalities are doing and what we

2128
03:06:34,240 --> 03:06:39,180
can do here in London to make our relationships stronger and better.

2129
03:06:41,140 --> 03:06:45,620
We also have the three first nations in our immediate area of the Chippewa's of the TEMS

2130
03:06:45,620 --> 03:06:49,040
First Nation, the United Nation of the TEMS in the Munti Dalloway First Nation.

2131
03:06:49,640 --> 03:06:55,440
So it's not just our urban, original population that are within our city, but also our

2132
03:06:55,440 --> 03:06:57,820
very close neighbors as well.

2133
03:06:58,160 --> 03:07:06,340
So I see this report and the recommendations in this report as a step forward, as a way

2134
03:07:06,340 --> 03:07:12,760
for London to improve how we, and already as it's stated in this report, so our different

2135
03:07:12,760 --> 03:07:21,220
departments are improving how we interact and consult with our neighbors. That was one thing when

2136
03:07:21,220 --> 03:07:25,500
I participated in the workshop at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the

2137
03:07:25,500 --> 03:07:29,180
tip was of the town's first nation back in February. That was one thing that came out, that

2138
03:07:29,180 --> 03:07:35,040
was that we have, we have a, a set way of communicating certain things that are happening

2139
03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:40,100
in the city and we do that to our residents and with our constituents and with stakeholders

2140
03:07:40,100 --> 03:07:40,980
within London.

2141
03:07:41,300 --> 03:07:47,840
But it's not necessarily the ideal way that our neighbors would like to communicate.

2142
03:07:48,180 --> 03:07:52,700
And so it hasn't been necessarily a very effective communication, so our staff have already

2143
03:07:52,700 --> 03:07:58,260
identified that we need to improve that and they're taking steps to do that, which is great.

2144
03:07:59,620 --> 03:08:04,820
And again, as Councillor Saffron said, it was an honor to attend the event at Museum

2145
03:08:04,820 --> 03:08:12,420
London with you, Mr. Mayor, and with Councillor Zafman in support of Atlosa, and it was

2146
03:08:12,420 --> 03:08:14,980
an honor to be able to speak at that event as well.

2147
03:08:16,600 --> 03:08:24,800
I know it was Councillor Van Hulse, suggestion at the beginning to participate in a smudging

2148
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:30,120
ceremony in our first meeting in these council chambers, and I thought that was a really great

2149
03:08:30,120 --> 03:08:36,220
start for this term of council and as I said, everything in this report and the recommendations

2150
03:08:36,220 --> 03:08:42,420
contained therein are, it's all about strengthening and building our relationships and

2151
03:08:42,990 --> 03:08:44,780
I think this is a step in the right direction.

2152
03:08:46,980 --> 03:08:47,360
Thank you.

2153
03:08:47,420 --> 03:08:47,960
Any other speakers?

2154
03:08:48,260 --> 03:08:49,300
Councillor Helmer, anyone else?

2155
03:08:49,580 --> 03:08:50,020
Councillor Ession.

2156
03:08:53,080 --> 03:08:57,000
I'd like to pick up on some of the council's statements comments.

2157
03:08:57,140 --> 03:09:00,940
I think a lot of agreement that this is important, which is good to hear.

2158
03:09:02,100 --> 03:09:13,260
I guess one of my concerns is that we're talking about, I think, just directing staff to participate in this action-oriented working group, which sounds really exciting.

2159
03:09:14,900 --> 03:09:30,600
But I'm pretty interested in the action part of that, which is, I'd like to do something to move us forward to reconciliation and not just talk about it and not just have reports.

2160
03:09:30,600 --> 03:09:35,100
So we had, you know, initially talked with us back in June, I think this

2161
03:09:35,100 --> 03:09:37,420
Council really who brought it up, and I thought it was a great idea.

2162
03:09:37,540 --> 03:09:38,220
I was very timely.

2163
03:09:38,900 --> 03:09:42,940
And then we had our advisory committee in September, give us some pretty

2164
03:09:42,940 --> 03:09:48,220
specific suggestions along the lines of recommendations that are

2165
03:09:48,220 --> 03:09:52,740
identified by the working group at FCM and also by our own staff and this

2166
03:09:52,740 --> 03:09:54,800
report about things we could specifically be doing.

2167
03:09:54,800 --> 03:10:01,720
a memorial, intercultural training, endorse the UN declaration on the rights of religious people.

2168
03:10:01,960 --> 03:10:05,120
Like it's very specific about what they would like to see.

2169
03:10:05,260 --> 03:10:09,680
It seems clear at this point that the working group has identified the five things that

2170
03:10:09,680 --> 03:10:11,360
they are looking for municipalities to do.

2171
03:10:11,560 --> 03:10:16,800
So I guess my question is what are we waiting for if we're going to do some of these things,

2172
03:10:16,820 --> 03:10:19,640
which I think we should, when are we going to do them?

2173
03:10:19,640 --> 03:10:27,600
Because I don't know what we're expecting from the working group at FCM, beyond saying, these are the things we think you should move on.

2174
03:10:27,820 --> 03:10:36,200
I noticed the only one that is not listed as some of the, in the four at the end of our report as the areas where we could take action is the memorial.

2175
03:10:36,980 --> 03:10:42,600
And that sort of, as far and off, and that's one that was specifically recommended for consideration by Eldrax.

2176
03:10:42,600 --> 03:10:46,940
So I guess my question to our staff is the direction is to participate in the working group

2177
03:10:46,940 --> 03:10:51,420
and I think it's fine, but what is the timeline for the working group's going to do work

2178
03:10:51,420 --> 03:10:54,560
and eventually it's going to lead to actions when do we think that would be?

2179
03:10:58,200 --> 03:11:02,840
Through the chair, so as far as the timeline of the working group, the last meeting was within

2180
03:11:02,840 --> 03:11:07,100
the last few weeks, my understanding is it will progress fairly quickly and the interest of the

2181
03:11:07,100 --> 03:11:11,920
group is certainly to see action in all municipalities participating in these areas.

2182
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:17,580
As you rightly note, there are some specific actions that we, during our staff review, identified

2183
03:11:17,580 --> 03:11:19,160
that could be taken in London.

2184
03:11:19,720 --> 03:11:22,700
Our view is that we can explore them through the FCM process.

2185
03:11:23,080 --> 03:11:28,080
That said, Council of Code, of course, look at doing things specifically in London that's

2186
03:11:28,080 --> 03:11:32,280
not within that timeline, but you may wish to request a little bit of legal advice to

2187
03:11:32,280 --> 03:11:36,660
get some of the background information as to why we're not recommending those specific

2188
03:11:36,660 --> 03:11:36,960
things.

2189
03:11:37,140 --> 03:11:40,780
For example, the United Nations Declaration, you may want to hear from Mr. Robert on that

2190
03:11:40,780 --> 03:11:41,260
one first.

2191
03:11:41,260 --> 03:11:49,500
So what we're recommending is that we continue to work with FCM on exploring these things without taking any specific action in London right now.

2192
03:11:54,210 --> 03:11:57,450
Well, it's certainly like to hear from Mr. Barber. I know we have another item.

2193
03:11:58,250 --> 03:12:02,310
I just wonder if we need an additional reason to go in about that.

2194
03:12:02,690 --> 03:12:05,410
So I'd like to tack that on to that being.

2195
03:12:09,180 --> 03:12:11,620
Okay. We can do that. I have a counselor.

2196
03:12:13,340 --> 03:12:17,560
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to talk on to what the last two speakers had to say.

2197
03:12:19,180 --> 03:12:27,320
I think that it's good to start, and I wanted a timeline also, but I like to see what the entire

2198
03:12:27,320 --> 03:12:32,860
Minister for Body, right across the country is going to do so that we don't do something

2199
03:12:32,860 --> 03:12:37,580
that's going to embarrass one or the other, because we need to share our ideas with them,

2200
03:12:37,660 --> 03:12:41,520
and they need to share our ideas with us, at the best rate that we're at the strips, the

2201
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:45,740
MNM, and I'm sure we're going to be talking about this again, unfortunately, it's not

2202
03:12:45,740 --> 03:12:51,720
the march that we are going to meet again, but in a meantime they might be sending out information.

2203
03:12:53,160 --> 03:12:58,200
One of the things that I think that we have to be careful of, Mr. Chair, we get all concern

2204
03:12:58,200 --> 03:13:04,420
and interested and excited when we get a report like this report, but it was presented to us

2205
03:13:04,420 --> 03:13:10,880
at Parliament Hill. There are so many recommendations, but only five of them are really related

2206
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:16,680
to the municipalities, and that's directly from the report, and the five are mentioned here,

2207
03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:22,340
and we have decided that we, there are four of them that we could work on, I want to ask

2208
03:13:22,340 --> 03:13:27,260
a question about the fifth, but I'm not going to ask that right now, but I do believe that we

2209
03:13:27,260 --> 03:13:33,150
could slowly take actions so that when we go to FCM in March, we could say something about what

2210
03:13:34,200 --> 03:13:39,500
our direction would be, share it, and if we need to add something to it, we can add a subtract

2211
03:13:39,500 --> 03:13:41,040
at that point in time.

2212
03:13:41,540 --> 03:13:45,540
So I think that this is a good start, the report to us.

2213
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:48,400
And I think that I want to wait to hear what

2214
03:13:48,400 --> 03:13:50,360
Conqueror Hermes is going to ask Mr. Barba.

2215
03:13:51,620 --> 03:13:54,920
But I would quite, I would be prepared to work

2216
03:13:54,920 --> 03:13:56,540
on the educational piece.

2217
03:13:56,700 --> 03:13:59,720
And I want to mention Mr. Chair that long before the reconciliation

2218
03:13:59,720 --> 03:14:03,960
report came out, our staff have been finding

2219
03:14:04,660 --> 03:14:08,660
appropriate ways to communicate with our neighbors

2220
03:14:08,660 --> 03:14:16,660
with the trees, whether we call it our reserves, we still call it our reserves in this area.

2221
03:14:17,140 --> 03:14:21,960
Commentating with respect to the work that we do in the area always trying to bring it in.

2222
03:14:22,780 --> 03:14:28,480
This is something a little different because this is specifically the deal with reconciliation

2223
03:14:29,060 --> 03:14:32,260
of what happened over those 100 years at those schools.

2224
03:14:32,880 --> 03:14:39,500
So, I'm quite prepared to receive this report at this point in time and wait for the next step.

2225
03:14:39,820 --> 03:14:40,580
Thank you.

2226
03:14:42,890 --> 03:14:43,850
Do I have any other speakers?

2227
03:14:45,490 --> 03:14:45,690
Okay.

2228
03:14:45,770 --> 03:14:47,190
The motion is up on screen.

2229
03:14:47,910 --> 03:14:49,450
There's some direction provided.

2230
03:14:50,170 --> 03:14:50,870
We could have a mover.

2231
03:14:51,010 --> 03:14:52,150
Thank you, Deputy Mayor Cassie.

2232
03:14:52,270 --> 03:14:54,490
Seconded by Councillor Armstrong and further discussion.

2233
03:14:55,150 --> 03:14:58,030
And Councillor Hummer, we will deal with the questions that you have.

2234
03:15:02,200 --> 03:15:09,440
Go ahead. Is the idea that people would like me to vote for this without hearing from Mr. Barber?

2235
03:15:13,640 --> 03:15:18,040
That's a decision that you can make. This is the motion that's been moved and seconded by the committee.

2236
03:15:19,320 --> 03:15:30,120
It certainly isn't exclusive of any further action that we take. This provided some direction. We could potentially anticipate additional direction if it's provided at a subsequent time.

2237
03:15:31,240 --> 03:15:31,640
Okay.

2238
03:15:39,530 --> 03:15:39,950
We're voting.

2239
03:15:58,160 --> 03:16:00,900
Closing the vote, the motion carries 14 to 0.

2240
03:16:01,880 --> 03:16:03,920
Okay, call the exec brings us then to item 3.

2241
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:09,540
This was pulled by Councillor Morgan, so we can go to you, Councillor 1st, and I'll also start a list.

2242
03:16:10,280 --> 03:16:12,440
I believe a number of people want to speak to this Councillor Ben Host.

2243
03:16:15,660 --> 03:16:17,560
Yeah, so I do want to speak to it.

2244
03:16:17,560 --> 03:16:24,220
And I'd also like to propose just two small amendments to it.

2245
03:16:24,220 --> 03:16:30,080
Maybe I'll I'll first outline what the two small amendments are and and speech of the policy in in general

2246
03:16:31,700 --> 03:16:39,420
The the one amendment is simply the addition of a C to the recommendation and that is one of the things referenced in in the report is

2247
03:16:41,780 --> 03:16:46,940
The corporations current unfunded liability and I wanted to add a

2248
03:16:46,940 --> 03:16:52,180
See that basically said well actually it's up on the screen. This is the change that I wanted to make to the motion

2249
03:16:53,220 --> 03:16:57,000
that the civic administration would be directed to bring forward a report providing information

2250
03:16:57,000 --> 03:16:59,480
with respect to the corporations' unfunded liability.

2251
03:16:59,980 --> 03:17:05,600
In other words, the giant number, just a little bit more details on exactly what that is,

2252
03:17:05,660 --> 03:17:09,540
and then we can decide how we move forward whether a portion of that needs to be in camera or not,

2253
03:17:09,700 --> 03:17:13,480
it would be obviously up to the, up to the way that the reporting came forward.

2254
03:17:13,640 --> 03:17:19,840
So that's the C. And the other change is just a small addition to A, which you'll see is made,

2255
03:17:19,840 --> 03:17:25,540
and it says subject to the contribution to the operating budget contingency reserve being confirmed by

2256
03:17:25,540 --> 03:17:30,480
municipal counsel. In other words, when you look at the process of the way that the surplus policy

2257
03:17:30,480 --> 03:17:37,000
would flow, one of the first things is a contribution to the OBCR. With a target of establishing

2258
03:17:37,000 --> 03:17:43,460
it in a range of 1.2, 1.5% to 2% of the property tax revenues over a certain period of time,

2259
03:17:44,200 --> 03:17:49,820
I wanted to have that confirmed by municipal counsel so that we could essentially keep up

2260
03:17:49,820 --> 03:17:55,740
on exactly, you know, the pace and scope of how we're making changes to that, and how we're

2261
03:17:55,740 --> 03:18:00,960
contributing to the operating budget contingency reserve each year, so much like the, you

2262
03:18:00,960 --> 03:18:05,480
know, the other components of the report are approved by Council through the various reporting.

2263
03:18:05,860 --> 03:18:10,460
This is one that I just wanted to see come to us at the appropriate time in the cycle, so that we

2264
03:18:10,460 --> 03:18:16,460
had a sense on what that contribution was going to look like at the appropriate time. As for the report,

2265
03:18:16,460 --> 03:18:23,600
as a whole. I think that there's been some good work done to try to balance the needs on how

2266
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:28,400
to appropriately deal with surpluses in general. That is, you know, a lot of fiscally responsible

2267
03:18:28,400 --> 03:18:33,240
decisions here, ensuring that we have a reserve fund that is adequate, ensuring that we are

2268
03:18:33,240 --> 03:18:39,540
committing to dealing well-infunded liability at some level in some pace. And then eliminating debt,

2269
03:18:39,660 --> 03:18:44,740
which is a form of future tax avoidance, whether that's avoiding debt or simply canceling debt,

2270
03:18:44,740 --> 03:18:54,880
Having the capacity to invest in some community initiatives, which is the contribution to a new municipal council community investment reserve fund,

2271
03:18:55,060 --> 03:19:00,360
which of course council could set the terms and parameters of once it's established and started to be funded.

2272
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:09,020
And then of course the capital infrastructure gap reserve fund, as the report shows, there's no shortage of capital needs in the future.

2273
03:19:09,020 --> 03:19:14,120
and so being able to sock away some money to address those, I think, is responsible as well.

2274
03:19:14,440 --> 03:19:19,080
So overall, I'm pleased, and I know my colleagues will have some discussion about the content

2275
03:19:19,080 --> 03:19:19,700
and the breakdown.

2276
03:19:20,360 --> 03:19:25,360
The structures I want to change are more to the both accountability mechanisms, as well as getting

2277
03:19:25,360 --> 03:19:29,240
some more information on one piece, important piece of the corporations,

2278
03:19:31,800 --> 03:19:32,720
financial picture that being

2279
03:19:32,720 --> 03:19:38,700
the unfunded liability reserve, and so those are the changes that I would propose if the

2280
03:19:38,700 --> 03:19:42,660
it was willing to support it and I'm happy here at the debate on the rest of the document.

2281
03:19:48,910 --> 03:19:52,470
Yeah, it should be on your screen, Councillor Ray on your screen.

2282
03:19:54,880 --> 03:19:59,220
Okay, so it has been moved by Councillor Morgan and seconded by Councillor Squire so we'll

2283
03:19:59,220 --> 03:20:05,000
start the discussion there. I have Councillor Van Hulls next and Councillor Squire subsequent to that.

2284
03:20:17,010 --> 03:20:19,930
There we go. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2285
03:20:22,110 --> 03:20:25,660
And through you, I'd like to come in. I'm thrilled that

2286
03:20:28,910 --> 03:20:37,130
This section C2 on page 45, the municipal council community investment reserve fund is coming forward.

2287
03:20:37,330 --> 03:20:46,330
I think it's great that we'll have something that we can go to if during the year and outside the budget.

2288
03:20:47,030 --> 03:20:53,010
We and event comes up and we decide that we want to be able to support that.

2289
03:20:53,010 --> 03:21:04,010
I would, through you to my colleagues, I would hope that the wording of this is fine, so it's not to be overly, overly prescriptive.

2290
03:21:04,910 --> 03:21:09,430
I mean, who knows what we might want to do, but I hope that you'll imagine in your mind.

2291
03:21:09,690 --> 03:21:17,130
The kinds of things that might happen, and then I hate to see someone say, you know,

2292
03:21:17,130 --> 03:21:26,830
and expenses and expenses and expense here, and we're not able to do something, so I hope that name is, is name is general enough.

2293
03:21:28,070 --> 03:21:33,710
I also wanted to ask through the chair to our staff.

2294
03:21:34,250 --> 03:21:43,010
This is going to be split up, I guess our surplus is going to be split up into these things.

2295
03:21:43,010 --> 03:21:49,150
And I'm wondering about the possibility of taking parts of our surplus and putting them into

2296
03:21:49,150 --> 03:21:58,570
something in particular beforehand, and the suggestion I want to make really came to me as

2297
03:21:58,570 --> 03:22:05,130
I was at one of the community conversations on poverty on Friday night, and speaking to

2298
03:22:05,130 --> 03:22:12,230
many of the people who came out to an event at the coffee house on Hamilton Road, very pleased

2299
03:22:12,230 --> 03:22:16,990
the conversation was going on, but the theme that came up again and again was that they just

2300
03:22:16,990 --> 03:22:20,710
hope something would happen. You know, tell me something, you're not just getting us here

2301
03:22:20,710 --> 03:22:26,550
to talk for no reason, but that something was going to happen. And I would really like to have

2302
03:22:27,690 --> 03:22:39,010
us place some funds in a reserve so that when we get the findings on that mayor's advisory panel

2303
03:22:39,010 --> 03:22:48,870
on parry, we can actually we've got something to act from and so I wanted to ask Mr.

2304
03:22:50,450 --> 03:22:54,750
Heward how that could happen.

2305
03:22:59,500 --> 03:23:10,280
Through the chair you have a current policy that's in effect so if you choose to use that

2306
03:23:10,280 --> 03:23:17,280
to allocate the 2015 estimated surplus and I will emphasise it as an estimated surplus at

2307
03:23:17,280 --> 03:23:24,100
this point we don't know. What the final number is going to be until we close out with

2308
03:23:24,100 --> 03:23:29,780
the year end and so you'll get that in the fourth quarter next March. But basically you could

2309
03:23:29,780 --> 03:23:40,240
use that in the sense of 50% believe or the balance of the surplus there could be used for

2310
03:23:40,240 --> 03:23:44,840
whatever council wants, whatever pressures on needs they want. Similarly with this one,

2311
03:23:45,400 --> 03:23:51,700
if you have a community investment reserve, you can basically allocate that, whichever way

2312
03:23:51,700 --> 03:23:57,020
this council wants as well. So it just, it's actually gives you a bit more flexibility,

2313
03:23:57,340 --> 03:24:02,300
maybe on a slightly less amount at this point, but certainly gives you a bit of flexibility in

2314
03:24:02,300 --> 03:24:07,680
terms of what you may want to do. So the two alternatives are if you enact this, you've got

2315
03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:12,440
that reserve that you can allocate any way you want or use the existing policy if you're

2316
03:24:12,440 --> 03:24:15,440
going to keep that until the end of this year to deal with 2015.

2317
03:24:17,180 --> 03:24:23,260
So essentially, Councillor the option is there and available to us in the first quarter of 2016.

2318
03:24:23,500 --> 03:24:24,400
Did you have a follow-up?

2319
03:24:26,420 --> 03:24:31,840
Yes, so it's possible if we enact this then you will establish this municipal council

2320
03:24:32,740 --> 03:24:39,260
investment reserve fund, and I'm going to ask you that that would happen at what time.

2321
03:24:39,980 --> 03:24:49,820
And is it possible to before 2016 to put a larger amount than 25% into it because we take

2322
03:24:49,820 --> 03:24:53,020
some prior to the end of the year and put it in there?

2323
03:24:57,540 --> 03:25:03,780
If Council wanted to allocate some money towards that, it would lower that surplus of 4.7 and

2324
03:25:03,780 --> 03:25:08,040
put that right into a reserve for this particular purpose, and you could do that before

2325
03:25:08,040 --> 03:25:13,920
year-end if you wanted to. But you need a resolution of council in order to do that to

2326
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:20,500
have that reserve to establish that expenditure in the current years budget. But again, that would

2327
03:25:20,500 --> 03:25:26,560
lower the 4.7 down by whatever amount you wanted. If you don't want to do it that way,

2328
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:30,700
and you leave it with an allocation of surplus, then you'll have to wait basically till March

2329
03:25:30,700 --> 03:25:35,420
next year in order to do the allocation because again we've got to go through here and to establish

2330
03:25:35,420 --> 03:25:36,460
finally what that said.

2331
03:25:39,430 --> 03:25:46,650
Thank you and it's really my concern that we have something in there so that people know

2332
03:25:46,650 --> 03:25:52,890
when they go to these meetings that yes something will be done and so to give it give a sense

2333
03:25:52,890 --> 03:25:58,490
of certainty and I hope you all have a certain sense of certainty that we are going to act on this

2334
03:25:58,490 --> 03:25:59,730
because it's a great initiative.

2335
03:26:00,850 --> 03:26:02,690
So I guess I would just have a question.

2336
03:26:02,730 --> 03:26:06,670
I don't really want to come up with an emergent motion.

2337
03:26:06,850 --> 03:26:08,890
I suppose something could be added to this.

2338
03:26:09,150 --> 03:26:10,550
I don't know if it's appropriate,

2339
03:26:11,010 --> 03:26:13,250
but is there is there time before the end of the year

2340
03:26:13,250 --> 03:26:19,250
to get a motion to counsel for first such a thing

2341
03:26:19,250 --> 03:26:21,730
and what committee might it go through

2342
03:26:21,730 --> 03:26:24,150
if I could ask through the chair to the clerk?

2343
03:26:28,340 --> 03:26:29,960
If it's related to this policy

2344
03:26:29,960 --> 03:26:31,420
and the application of the policy,

2345
03:26:31,420 --> 03:26:38,620
would have to come back to SPPC. I'd like to also point out that the bilis that's currently written

2346
03:26:38,620 --> 03:26:44,380
has a force and effect data upon the data's past, which would be tomorrow evening. So the provisions

2347
03:26:44,380 --> 03:26:49,780
of the policy that's before you would come into effect as of the state and you wouldn't have the

2348
03:26:49,780 --> 03:26:56,720
the ability to choose between the policy previously enacted by the resolution in this one enacted by

2349
03:26:56,720 --> 03:27:03,680
by law would take precedent unless there was a direction by council on a notwithstanding

2350
03:27:04,200 --> 03:27:04,720
basis.

2351
03:27:10,960 --> 03:27:12,640
And is there an SPPC?

2352
03:27:12,640 --> 03:27:20,980
Well, I think if we we can allocate anything before the year is over, can't we as an active

2353
03:27:20,980 --> 03:27:21,420
council?

2354
03:27:21,660 --> 03:27:25,880
Is there an SPPC meeting before the end of the year?

2355
03:27:26,660 --> 03:27:31,600
I believe this may be the last SPPC meeting before the end of the year, but really council

2356
03:27:31,600 --> 03:27:36,760
there are two windows. There's a window this evening, and then assuming that this bylaw passes

2357
03:27:36,760 --> 03:27:41,780
this evening, then there's another window in March, two different mechanisms, but a window

2358
03:27:41,780 --> 03:27:46,420
that you could prepare a motion and bring it forward if you chose to at that time as well.

2359
03:27:48,300 --> 03:27:52,440
So essentially, I'm trying to say you're not going to miss an opportunity to bring a motion forward

2360
03:27:52,440 --> 03:27:56,940
if you don't have one prepared this evening, but it would be under a different policy, and it would be

2361
03:27:56,940 --> 03:27:57,840
in March.

2362
03:28:01,410 --> 03:28:02,630
Okay, thank you.

2363
03:28:04,800 --> 03:28:07,740
I have councillor Squire, Zeifman, and Ashak.

2364
03:28:08,340 --> 03:28:14,800
Through you, Mr. Chair. I'm, I seconded Council from Oregon's motion, and I have to say,

2365
03:28:15,720 --> 03:28:19,560
I'm extremely pleased with the work staff has done on this, and if I might say how

2366
03:28:19,560 --> 03:28:23,620
physically prudent they are, in terms of the allocation of the money from the surplus,

2367
03:28:23,780 --> 03:28:29,680
I think it's, it's the direction that we should be going in when we have a surplus. So I appreciate that work very

2368
03:28:29,680 --> 03:28:38,780
much. My question is, there has been, and there will continue to be an $850,000 draw towards

2369
03:28:38,780 --> 03:28:45,840
tax mitigation. It looks like until 2020 won, which is during the transition period to

2370
03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:51,240
the new policy. I'm just wondering if there's other opportunities, if that's correct, what

2371
03:28:51,240 --> 03:28:56,440
I'm saying. And if so, are there other opportunities for tax mitigation, or are we assuming

2372
03:28:56,440 --> 03:29:01,620
those opportunities are all in those three buckets that are at the end of the other report.

2373
03:29:04,380 --> 03:29:08,200
So currently what we do is we draw from the operating budget contingency reserve

2374
03:29:08,840 --> 03:29:15,100
and amounts to bring into revenues for the next year that would actually lower the amount

2375
03:29:15,100 --> 03:29:20,400
we'd request for taxes and that's really what we're doing. So there are a couple of items that we've

2376
03:29:20,400 --> 03:29:27,520
done in the past to think studying in 2009 or somewhere around there. We had what we saw as an

2377
03:29:27,520 --> 03:29:32,480
increasing on TeraWorks case load, but we knew they were going to be uploaded and so what

2378
03:29:32,480 --> 03:29:36,560
we said was we'd shaved the peak off the mountain and we'd draw from the reserve and then

2379
03:29:36,560 --> 03:29:40,820
as the case loads, the cost of the case load went away as we uploaded we would lower

2380
03:29:40,820 --> 03:29:47,140
that amount and we were actually on track with that. Then in the last few years there's been

2381
03:29:47,140 --> 03:29:55,040
an increase in that draw almost as much as 1% so about $4.7 million per year that we're drawing

2382
03:29:55,040 --> 03:29:59,180
from that reserve fund. So we're having to replenish.

2383
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:11,180
We would be in the whole fairly quickly, as you can appreciate with that kind of money coming out. Right now, I think we're around $10 million in the reserve fund, but we're declining over the next four years to about $4 million.

2384
03:30:11,980 --> 03:30:29,360
And what we're trying to do with that is actually wean ourselves, having that one-time money come in, so that when you actually get out of the business of subsidising the current year with that reserve fund, then any money that flows into here would be used in accordance with the 50 for tax reduction.

2385
03:30:29,360 --> 03:30:35,340
for debt reduction, 25, 25. That's kind of what we're aiming towards and that, you know,

2386
03:30:35,740 --> 03:30:39,440
to use a phrase that I think has been used around here a few times. We don't want to kick

2387
03:30:39,440 --> 03:30:44,500
the can down the road when it comes to use of reserve funds for ongoing expenditures. We want to,

2388
03:30:45,180 --> 03:30:53,140
basically, if it's an ongoing expenditure, we want to use an ongoing revenue source to fund it.

2389
03:30:53,340 --> 03:30:56,740
But if it's a one-time expenditure, that would be an appropriate time to use these.

2390
03:30:56,740 --> 03:31:04,750
So mitigation, I would say increase your other revenues that are ongoing. That would be the best kind of mitigation you could come up with.

2391
03:31:06,220 --> 03:31:07,640
Through you Mr. Tricky, increase the expenses.

2392
03:31:13,400 --> 03:31:17,200
Mr. Hayward, by kicking the can down the road, you create a potential future.

2393
03:31:19,660 --> 03:31:21,700
That would be budget bomb for $10.

2394
03:31:22,120 --> 03:31:22,780
Gas is eighth.

2395
03:31:25,580 --> 03:31:26,480
Thank you Mr. Chair.

2396
03:31:27,580 --> 03:31:30,500
One thing I just wanted to point out, just in the background of this report,

2397
03:31:30,500 --> 03:31:36,540
I know this is from 2007, but in the resolution it spoke to ensuring that the policy around

2398
03:31:36,540 --> 03:31:41,180
surplus and deficit was aligned with the current desires of the current term of municipal council.

2399
03:31:42,600 --> 03:31:48,420
And I just want to say that I hope that I think that this is going towards something which is not just for our term of council.

2400
03:31:49,060 --> 03:31:55,320
When we're looking at creating a policy which is around surplus and deficits, I think the idea is around proper fiscal prudence and management.

2401
03:31:55,320 --> 03:32:00,180
And it's not shouldn't be based around one term of council versus another obviously things change over time.

2402
03:32:00,800 --> 03:32:07,820
But, you know, I think as we go forward trying to do it, the best we can is just some of the best in terms of financial management.

2403
03:32:09,320 --> 03:32:10,120
I had a couple of questions.

2404
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:20,740
I think what we're going to for here again is very fistly pertinent and the idea that we're trying to go for in terms of mitigation with our unfunded liabilities,

2405
03:32:20,740 --> 03:32:24,160
as well as where the money will go to with our budget.

2406
03:32:24,180 --> 03:32:28,240
Continuity reserve is a great step forward, obviously something we've been practicing

2407
03:32:28,240 --> 03:32:30,500
but need to do more in the future of.

2408
03:32:30,980 --> 03:32:35,400
But when we look farther down, we start getting into both debt servicing and

2409
03:32:35,400 --> 03:32:39,520
then specifically the concern I have is with 25% of the surplus going into a reserve

2410
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:43,300
fund which we haven't created yet, and there's no information about yet.

2411
03:32:44,580 --> 03:32:48,100
And I appreciate through the chair of the comments that Council Morgan made.

2412
03:32:48,100 --> 03:32:52,120
You know, that it could be something very good and we can deal with how we want to do it later

2413
03:32:52,780 --> 03:32:59,520
For I would prefer that if we were wondering if it's established and you reserve fund that we have the principles in place to do so beforehand before we actually put that in place

2414
03:33:00,500 --> 03:33:06,920
And I from what it is, I'm not exactly sure what it is, but community investment to me can mean many different things and

2415
03:33:06,920 --> 03:33:13,620
And you know right now the idea that I have in my head of what this might mean is certain things that come to our attention throughout the year

2416
03:33:13,620 --> 03:33:17,940
That we may not have had funding for we don't have money for and we want to put money aside for

2417
03:33:18,840 --> 03:33:24,300
And while I think that's great, I think one of the difficulties is that we find ourselves in situations where certain interests come to play.

2418
03:33:24,760 --> 03:33:29,560
I think everyone on council has different interests as well, and certain things that they may go to bad for versus others.

2419
03:33:29,960 --> 03:33:33,000
And I think that made great problems, and I think that's why we have an agenda today.

2420
03:33:33,480 --> 03:33:36,300
Another policy around where we're moving to with our grants.

2421
03:33:36,520 --> 03:33:40,520
And that is taking me out of the hands of the politicians and making it much more arms like process.

2422
03:33:41,100 --> 03:33:44,600
And so I'm not sure if putting aside money from our surplus for that type of purpose,

2423
03:33:44,600 --> 03:33:48,520
specifically that's what it seems to me is really the best idea so if we do

2424
03:33:48,520 --> 03:33:52,060
go ahead with this policy today because I am mostly okay with it I prefer

2425
03:33:52,060 --> 03:33:55,880
that we take be separately and not have the included

2426
03:33:55,880 --> 03:34:00,840
I potentially have that 25% allocated either to debt servicing or to infrastructure

2427
03:34:00,840 --> 03:34:01,740
funding.

2428
03:34:05,190 --> 03:34:08,690
Thank you Councillor Asher, Councillor Helmer, I see you.

2429
03:34:12,520 --> 03:34:14,280
Thank you. I

2430
03:34:14,280 --> 03:34:18,820
I just want to pick up on where Councillor Van Holtz left off and I guess in

2431
03:34:18,820 --> 03:34:23,320
respect where conclusive what he just said because I do agree with

2432
03:34:23,320 --> 03:34:28,320
conslav and holds. I think that we need to have some where some money

2433
03:34:28,320 --> 03:34:36,320
somewhere that we could allocate to one time contribution or some

2434
03:34:36,320 --> 03:34:46,100
emergency fund and he gave a good example and I thought when I first

2435
03:34:46,100 --> 03:34:56,120
was or could be used for that purpose. But if we need to reserve separated out for that one time

2436
03:34:56,120 --> 03:35:01,260
contingency, I'm quite prepared to do so because I've set around this horseshoe for so many years

2437
03:35:01,260 --> 03:35:10,000
and there's always something that is dire that we need to do that comes up at budget time. Once

2438
03:35:10,000 --> 03:35:18,060
I'm talking about that will not affect the budget in the next year and I think that we need to have some money for that.

2439
03:35:18,180 --> 03:35:28,680
I can't tell you exactly how much but I'm quite prepared to say that this community investment reserve fund is for that purpose that I'm quite prepared to leave it that way.

2440
03:35:28,680 --> 03:35:36,440
But if it is not then I would like a part of that, like two-thirds of that, so I would think 10% in total,

2441
03:35:36,480 --> 03:35:45,340
not 10% of that, but 10% in total, be put aside for that one time, so I'm going back to the recommendation

2442
03:35:45,340 --> 03:35:52,180
if he was trying to make, and see how I could make that recommendation because between us and Mr. Hayward,

2443
03:35:52,800 --> 03:35:57,840
I do believe I like to put that on the floor. So I'm going to ask through you, Mr. Chair,

2444
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:17,520
If we could use a part of that 2 in C2, that's 25% for some emergency one time spending fun if and when we need it, that's my request, that's my request.

2445
03:36:20,600 --> 03:36:28,340
The surplus basically sets that up for you and in the body of the report on page 45 and 46 at

2446
03:36:28,340 --> 03:36:34,460
top of 46, basically it talks about emerging issues, opportunities, the required funding,

2447
03:36:35,280 --> 03:36:39,660
and basically allowing Council the opportunity to have a source of funding to fund those

2448
03:36:39,660 --> 03:36:45,880
one-time requests and assist in advancing the strategic plan, so I think that's one area

2449
03:36:45,880 --> 03:36:52,200
to consider Zafin's point, you may want to suggest that it does tie him with your strategic plan,

2450
03:36:52,900 --> 03:36:59,580
but it certainly gives you a broad enough scope here to be able to use those funds as the

2451
03:36:59,580 --> 03:37:00,920
Councillor Oshron is indicated.

2452
03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:05,500
So, does that satisfy your question that that was a definite yes that you're a concern

2453
03:37:05,500 --> 03:37:06,060
to satisfy?

2454
03:37:06,260 --> 03:37:06,760
I think so.

2455
03:37:06,780 --> 03:37:13,180
I just want to make sure that are we talking about the bottom of page 45, that 25%, is that

2456
03:37:13,180 --> 03:37:15,020
but you were referring to Mr. Heward.

2457
03:37:17,590 --> 03:37:23,850
That's correct, you worship the bottom of page 25 and the top of page 46 describes it a bit more.

2458
03:37:24,130 --> 03:37:32,450
And then it's contained in the policy in section 3, C2.

2459
03:37:33,370 --> 03:37:36,270
So that's the policy piece that relates to it.

2460
03:37:36,310 --> 03:37:39,650
So Mr. Heward, when else it?

2461
03:37:39,650 --> 03:37:48,010
I want to go back to it. If we don't change this, the example that Council of Unholds used,

2462
03:37:49,290 --> 03:37:55,190
if we need money for that purpose, it could be taken from this. If we, as a council, decide,

2463
03:37:55,930 --> 03:37:59,050
this is a location that money could come from.

2464
03:38:00,230 --> 03:38:05,710
Yeah, if you take a look at Councilor Page 46 at the very top, throughout the emerging issues

2465
03:38:05,710 --> 03:38:09,110
opportunities requiring funding or brought to the if if they are brought to the

2466
03:38:09,110 --> 03:38:11,730
potentially municipal council by civic administration and or the

2467
03:38:11,730 --> 03:38:15,350
community. These types of funding requests are often one-time in nature and

2468
03:38:15,350 --> 03:38:18,930
may assist municipal council in advancing a strategic plan. So that's the

2469
03:38:18,930 --> 03:38:23,650
intention absolutely. Okay well thanks very much I appreciate that.

2470
03:38:28,220 --> 03:38:29,460
Okay we have

2471
03:38:29,460 --> 03:38:34,400
councilor Helmer and I'll get you on second round and the other speakers for first.

2472
03:38:41,490 --> 03:38:46,290
Thank you very much. So colleagues I'm not sold on this idea of the kind of municipal

2473
03:38:46,290 --> 03:38:49,310
council community investment reserve fund. First of all, I don't think it should

2474
03:38:49,310 --> 03:38:52,750
be called municipal council anything. I think if it's a community investment reserve fund,

2475
03:38:52,890 --> 03:38:58,570
that's what should be called. I also don't think we necessarily need it. It sounds to

2476
03:38:58,570 --> 03:39:02,130
me like it's sort of like an operating budget contingency reserve but for a

2477
03:39:02,130 --> 03:39:06,810
a smaller subset of things and I don't it's almost sort of like rebranding part of

2478
03:39:06,810 --> 03:39:10,870
the operating budget contingency reserve and I don't know that it's necessary. There are

2479
03:39:10,870 --> 03:39:14,590
a lot of sources of financing that we can draw on to pay for things that come up

2480
03:39:14,590 --> 03:39:20,830
unexpectedly. And I don't want to narrow it down the discussion around that to be just about

2481
03:39:20,830 --> 03:39:25,650
what we do with the surplus and or deficit, which is what this policy is about. So for me,

2482
03:39:25,670 --> 03:39:33,190
I would prefer to have 50% of the piece that's not unfunded liability and not the piece of the

2483
03:39:33,190 --> 03:39:39,030
top from the operating budget conditions. There are 50% to go to canceling authorized but on an issue

2484
03:39:39,030 --> 03:39:45,050
at 50% go to the infrastructure gap. I think that's a better use of surplus funds. I wouldn't

2485
03:39:45,050 --> 03:39:51,170
want to rely on surplus funds as a way of funding the community investment reserve fund. I think

2486
03:39:51,170 --> 03:39:55,570
we want to make community investments that we that should be a core part of our operating budget and

2487
03:39:55,570 --> 03:40:01,810
we need to allocate that appropriately in the budget process. So, and even if we did, I would prefer

2488
03:40:01,810 --> 03:40:06,750
that if we were to allocate stuff to those community investments that we were to take that money and

2489
03:40:06,750 --> 03:40:09,570
put it into the funding for existing grants program,

2490
03:40:09,730 --> 03:40:11,850
rather than this sort of special municipal council

2491
03:40:11,850 --> 03:40:13,310
community investment reserve fund.

2492
03:40:13,510 --> 03:40:15,270
For all the reasons that the council has

2493
03:40:15,270 --> 03:40:18,210
even in many of us have talked about sort of why we wanted

2494
03:40:18,210 --> 03:40:20,270
to modernize that whole grants process in the first place.

2495
03:40:20,390 --> 03:40:21,710
I just feel like this is sort of saying,

2496
03:40:22,130 --> 03:40:24,110
well, unless you wanted to come with five or six requests

2497
03:40:24,110 --> 03:40:26,210
throughout the year, you know,

2498
03:40:26,450 --> 03:40:28,430
sort of random times not even during the budget.

2499
03:40:28,830 --> 03:40:32,270
So I don't know why we want to encourage that sort of thing.

2500
03:40:32,870 --> 03:40:35,590
I do think there's some advantage to having

2501
03:40:35,590 --> 03:40:41,750
A source of financing for small requests that are a community supporting in nature.

2502
03:40:42,150 --> 03:40:45,190
I don't think we need to finance it through this surplus policy.

2503
03:40:45,650 --> 03:40:47,850
I think we can finance it through our budget discussions.

2504
03:40:48,750 --> 03:40:54,410
And I would prefer with the surplus specifically to put that into closing the infrastructure gap,

2505
03:40:54,930 --> 03:40:59,150
which right now the way things are going, where it's going to be going larger and larger and larger over time.

2506
03:40:59,970 --> 03:41:05,270
So we're doing a lot of good things in our front, but we're not doing enough to stop it from growing and we need to be doing more.

2507
03:41:05,270 --> 03:41:09,330
So we're looking at a business case. I'm sure in the multi or budget where we'll be talking about that

2508
03:41:09,330 --> 03:41:15,160
But I think this is another opportunity where we could say let's take 50% and put into infrastructure gap instead of this

2509
03:41:16,410 --> 03:41:17,250
Community investment

2510
03:41:17,970 --> 03:41:21,730
Reserve fund. So my suggestion and I'm gonna make a

2511
03:41:21,730 --> 03:41:24,150
Motion to amend it. I guess and we'll see a far gets

2512
03:41:24,150 --> 03:41:26,250
Is to

2513
03:41:26,250 --> 03:41:28,630
Delete that section out of like 3c2

2514
03:41:29,730 --> 03:41:31,150
Delete it at a schedule a

2515
03:41:32,030 --> 03:41:35,010
Because I don't think we need it and to change the

2516
03:41:35,010 --> 03:41:41,930
part that is three now to say two, and then to change that from 25% to 50%.

2517
03:41:41,930 --> 03:41:50,730
I think that it's a better use of surplus funds to put it towards a capital thing like the infrastructure gap, and it is a community investment or a fund.

2518
03:41:51,610 --> 03:41:53,790
I hope other people support that.

2519
03:41:54,530 --> 03:41:56,670
Thank you for the little clarification on your motion counselor.

2520
03:41:57,630 --> 03:42:04,550
You're intending to put the first 850,000 towards the tax mitigation and the remainder

2521
03:42:04,550 --> 03:42:06,930
then split between these two areas.

2522
03:42:08,090 --> 03:42:09,230
Thanks for asking to clarify.

2523
03:42:09,430 --> 03:42:13,790
The only part I would like to change is the section in Schedule A under principles.

2524
03:42:15,410 --> 03:42:20,250
3C2, I'd like to delete it, and I'd like to change the part that's 3 to say 50% instead

2525
03:42:20,250 --> 03:42:20,970
of 25%.

2526
03:42:20,970 --> 03:42:21,790
Everything else is the same.

2527
03:42:21,790 --> 03:42:27,030
Okay. So before we enter into debate on that, I'll look for a seconder, a seconder by Councillor

2528
03:42:27,030 --> 03:42:27,670
Zafeman.

2529
03:42:30,880 --> 03:42:34,720
We'll get it up on screen. Everyone's here. You can get some clarity and I'll

2530
03:42:34,720 --> 03:42:39,380
start to speak your list on this new matter. I do have you, Councillor Van Holstown, I'm

2531
03:42:39,380 --> 03:42:40,720
already in Councillor Armstrong, your next.

2532
03:42:43,500 --> 03:42:51,720
Thank you very much. So, Councillor's please. I hope you'll defeat this motion. And, of course,

2533
03:42:51,720 --> 03:42:57,120
I also want to thank Councillor Helmer and Councillor Zayfman for answering my question which

2534
03:42:57,120 --> 03:43:05,200
was, is the name of this, is the appropriate, in my mind what I want, what I'm thrilled

2535
03:43:05,200 --> 03:43:09,300
about and what I want to have for City Council is exactly what Councillor Usher suggested

2536
03:43:09,300 --> 03:43:18,100
is some operational flexibility, I'm sure you remember that term, but it allows us to deal

2537
03:43:18,100 --> 03:43:23,720
situations as they come up in the fly. I wish I had given the example that I had before,

2538
03:43:23,800 --> 03:43:32,380
when I had talked about this, and that was Councillor Zafin's very motion. When we wanted to

2539
03:43:32,380 --> 03:43:38,760
extend the overnight parking, all of a sudden we were in a situation where there was going to be

2540
03:43:38,760 --> 03:43:46,420
a $200,000 impact on some other budget item, and where was that going to come from? And so what I

2541
03:43:46,420 --> 03:43:52,440
is us having something where we can just say, well, don't worry about that, just take it from here.

2542
03:43:53,500 --> 03:43:59,860
And this is what I'm hoping for. So, not really. I think the problem with that name as it is,

2543
03:44:00,400 --> 03:44:08,760
is it again implies that this is just for a community investment and then community groups are going to see this and say,

2544
03:44:08,760 --> 03:44:16,780
well, that must be what this is for. So I almost prefer it to be a name like, you know,

2545
03:44:18,560 --> 03:44:24,360
discretionary reserve fund for council, but we're going to, there's going to be things that we will deal with

2546
03:44:27,780 --> 03:44:33,260
that that come out of, come out of left field and our urgent, and I hope that we have something to

2547
03:44:33,260 --> 03:44:40,220
with rather than here while there's nothing in it for the budget. So that would be a

2548
03:44:40,220 --> 03:44:46,480
direction I would like to go. Also happy if we were to put a limit on this, whatever

2549
03:44:47,240 --> 03:44:52,680
that would be, I can't see it ever being more than five million, but two million

2550
03:44:52,680 --> 03:44:58,360
might have people be comfortable. But again, we've got something that we can work with.

2551
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:10,200
We're not digging around in other reserved funds to try and find it. We can go here. We know we've got it set aside for ourselves.

2552
03:45:10,820 --> 03:45:28,160
So for me, this is extremely important. It's extremely important for me as a council. We've got some things to work with and a little wiggle room when things come up like the change in the parking.

2553
03:45:28,160 --> 03:45:41,760
So, again, I hope you'll just defeat this emotion and then we can repair this in a different manner.

2554
03:45:42,180 --> 03:45:43,720
Thank you.

2555
03:45:44,280 --> 03:45:45,340
Thank you, Councillor Armstrong.

2556
03:45:47,700 --> 03:45:48,240
Well, thank you.

2557
03:45:48,460 --> 03:45:54,240
We're shipping through you to staff because I'm not really sure what to do on this one.

2558
03:45:54,240 --> 03:45:57,240
So, Mark, maybe you can help me out.

2559
03:45:58,200 --> 03:46:00,300
We've got your stats recommendation.

2560
03:46:00,940 --> 03:46:04,260
We've got this motion in front of us.

2561
03:46:04,720 --> 03:46:05,700
Can you help me out?

2562
03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:10,700
What do you see as the difference?

2563
03:46:10,860 --> 03:46:12,020
Obviously, there's a difference.

2564
03:46:12,300 --> 03:46:19,320
But what do you see as the best policy to follow in a situation like this?

2565
03:46:19,800 --> 03:46:22,760
The one that you're stats for, you're the one that's here.

2566
03:46:22,800 --> 03:46:24,580
We get asked Mr Hayward to answer the question.

2567
03:46:24,760 --> 03:46:25,200
It's nine o'clock.

2568
03:46:25,360 --> 03:46:27,280
We've got two hours before our heads start.

2569
03:46:27,460 --> 03:46:28,440
So let's get to the question.

2570
03:46:32,830 --> 03:46:38,770
So the purpose behind this particular piece was to give Council a pressure valve.

2571
03:46:39,010 --> 03:46:43,950
So they have a fund that they can deal with issues that come up from time to time.

2572
03:46:45,510 --> 03:46:48,930
I mean, you could put limits on the upper end of it and the lower end of it.

2573
03:46:49,150 --> 03:46:49,850
That's that type of thing.

2574
03:46:49,850 --> 03:46:57,770
And I think that's what my Council of Morgan was going, but in terms of, is it a good thing to have?

2575
03:46:57,970 --> 03:47:05,930
I think for Council, it might be a desirable thing to have, but if you're going to ask me, do you want it in there?

2576
03:47:06,250 --> 03:47:12,610
I'd probably go more the way Council Helmer would go, but that's just because I'm a tight one.

2577
03:47:13,810 --> 03:47:27,550
And I think in my experience with Council, they do need something that they can just tap into and there's limits on it and you can satisfy certain pressure points.

2578
03:47:32,730 --> 03:47:37,450
I guess the thing is I'm not going to support the motion on the floor.

2579
03:47:37,450 --> 03:47:46,710
But I guess the thing is, and I hope I'm getting this correctly, that some on-counts

2580
03:47:46,710 --> 03:47:52,770
are looking to use this funding later on as an opportunity to deal with the poverty issue.

2581
03:47:54,010 --> 03:48:00,190
And if that's the case, I just want to sort of be clear that I couldn't support one time

2582
03:48:00,190 --> 03:48:06,490
wondering because I just don't think that that's going to solve the problem and I think

2583
03:48:06,490 --> 03:48:12,090
the money's involved that are going to need to solve the problem are just going to be quite

2584
03:48:12,090 --> 03:48:18,250
a bit more than what's available through this issue so I want to be clear on that I hope

2585
03:48:18,790 --> 03:48:24,570
that people don't think you can solve poverty with one time funding out of this issue that's

2586
03:48:24,570 --> 03:48:30,110
not going to happen so I think one has to be prepared if one wants to do with that issue

2587
03:48:30,110 --> 03:48:36,930
to look at ongoing funding and a lot more than what's even in this issue, so in any event.

2588
03:48:39,240 --> 03:48:40,120
Thank you, Captain Morgan.

2589
03:48:41,540 --> 03:48:44,600
So, I'm not going to be supportive of the change.

2590
03:48:45,780 --> 03:48:50,260
Because I don't think that the current structure, as it's contemplated in the staff report,

2591
03:48:50,480 --> 03:48:53,700
precludes us from putting money towards the capital infrastructure reserve fund,

2592
03:48:53,700 --> 03:48:57,120
if that's what we want to do out of the 25% pot.

2593
03:48:57,120 --> 03:49:01,760
that what concerns me is when everybody wants to spend the money before it hits the bank account

2594
03:49:02,600 --> 03:49:08,120
and so, you know, it's reserved fund, you just put money into it and then later you decide

2595
03:49:08,500 --> 03:49:13,040
what you want to do with it. And this is the type of thing where a counselor van holes set it right

2596
03:49:13,040 --> 03:49:19,500
and that's, you want to try a pilot project on parking, let's take it out of the council reserve fund.

2597
03:49:19,640 --> 03:49:23,940
You want to try a participatory budgeting in some way on a one-time basis, you take it out of the council reserve fund.

2598
03:49:23,940 --> 03:49:31,880
If you don't want to use it that way, you want to socket towards more debt reduction or the capital infrastructure gap, you can take it from that fund.

2599
03:49:32,760 --> 03:49:35,240
But we have no flexibility if we don't have something.

2600
03:49:35,440 --> 03:49:38,220
And it's not meant to be a special spending account.

2601
03:49:38,300 --> 03:49:42,560
Unless we decide that it's going to be a special spending account for community groups to come and ask for it.

2602
03:49:42,720 --> 03:49:49,100
If we set clear parameters on how we're going to use it and we have that discussion, then that's the way that we can deal with it.

2603
03:49:49,100 --> 03:49:54,140
So, you know, there's lots of times during the year where small things come up and quite

2604
03:49:54,140 --> 03:49:58,340
frankly staff, as rightly so, gets pushy when we're trying to spend money, we don't

2605
03:49:58,340 --> 03:49:58,720
have.

2606
03:49:59,440 --> 03:50:04,520
And if we put money in a savings account, then we can say we're doing it anyways, and we're

2607
03:50:04,520 --> 03:50:08,580
taking it from our savings account, not that we can't say we're doing it anyways, but we

2608
03:50:08,580 --> 03:50:13,160
got the staff out there who's saying, here's the budget, we're managing the budget as best

2609
03:50:13,160 --> 03:50:13,580
we can.

2610
03:50:13,580 --> 03:50:18,200
sometimes I would put the surplus, if we drop some of it into this type of reserve fund,

2611
03:50:18,520 --> 03:50:22,940
we have some flexibility outside of the budget process at other times of the year,

2612
03:50:23,320 --> 03:50:27,100
and if you want to use that reactively akin, if you want to use it proactively, we can,

2613
03:50:27,420 --> 03:50:33,340
but that's probably a discussion for another time, once we actually get money in the account,

2614
03:50:34,060 --> 03:50:36,920
because there's nothing in it, and if we're not going to put anything in it, and we want to spend

2615
03:50:36,920 --> 03:50:42,360
it before it even gets there, then it's not going to matter anyways. I think we should defeat this,

2616
03:50:42,360 --> 03:50:44,940
I think we should go with the staff recommendation.

2617
03:50:45,420 --> 03:50:47,480
I think we should have a discussion at the appropriate time

2618
03:50:47,480 --> 03:50:49,600
on how we want to use that effectively.

2619
03:50:51,760 --> 03:50:52,600
Councillor Perk.

2620
03:50:53,300 --> 03:50:56,200
I think you're much, I'm not going to be supporting the motion

2621
03:50:56,200 --> 03:50:58,420
on the floor for a lot of the reasons

2622
03:50:58,420 --> 03:51:00,060
that we're articulated by Council Morgan.

2623
03:51:00,860 --> 03:51:03,800
And I'm also of a mind where I think that this reserve

2624
03:51:03,800 --> 03:51:05,080
fund does need a rename.

2625
03:51:05,400 --> 03:51:08,220
And I'm also of a mind that perhaps we're not the best words.

2626
03:51:08,340 --> 03:51:09,480
Smith said this hour the night.

2627
03:51:09,480 --> 03:51:14,160
And I wonder if a referral back to staff on this would be supported by colleagues.

2628
03:51:15,200 --> 03:51:16,840
So I hope I like to put that motion on the floor.

2629
03:51:17,900 --> 03:51:23,260
I think we might run into a timing issue based on the end of the year.

2630
03:51:23,820 --> 03:51:27,280
And so I think we've provide some direction to come up with better name.

2631
03:51:28,340 --> 03:51:32,200
But the establishment of this fund needs to be decided today.

2632
03:51:32,360 --> 03:51:37,860
And I believe tomorrow at Council in order for the timeline required to give me this platform to be met.

2633
03:51:37,860 --> 03:51:38,640
is that right, Mr. Award?

2634
03:51:42,300 --> 03:51:47,540
Through you, for the by-law to be established for the establishment of the reserve, and yes, we

2635
03:51:47,540 --> 03:51:53,240
would need it by tomorrow night. You've already allowed us, or you will have, hopefully, by tomorrow,

2636
03:51:53,680 --> 03:51:57,400
allowed us to transfer everything to the operating budget continuously reserve, so it's not

2637
03:51:57,400 --> 03:52:00,900
not really necessary by December 31 in that particular case.

2638
03:52:02,940 --> 03:52:06,520
With the understanding that we come up with a new name for the fund at a different time, I think,

2639
03:52:06,800 --> 03:52:07,840
does that satisfy your concern?

2640
03:52:08,240 --> 03:52:09,140
Yes, very much so.

2641
03:52:11,060 --> 03:52:14,060
Diffy Mayor Hubert, and then Councillor Zeya.

2642
03:52:14,720 --> 03:52:18,160
She's a rose by all other names, it's still a rose,

2643
03:52:20,810 --> 03:52:21,510
so poetry.

2644
03:52:22,890 --> 03:52:27,210
Just to this comment, I really wasn't going to get into this a whole lot.

2645
03:52:27,210 --> 03:52:29,110
I won't be supporting the motion on the floor.

2646
03:52:29,510 --> 03:52:40,330
I think the motion actually sort of set a, establishes a priority in terms of the 25 to 50%.

2647
03:52:40,330 --> 03:52:46,670
I think what's here is to allow Council some discretion, some flexibility, as a merchant

2648
03:52:46,670 --> 03:52:47,850
issues come forward.

2649
03:52:48,330 --> 03:52:57,590
I think it's really clear that you still have to be tight with your money.

2650
03:52:57,870 --> 03:53:03,230
You know, reserve accounts, whether they have $100 in it, and it's your family reserve,

2651
03:53:03,490 --> 03:53:07,770
or $100,000, or a million dollars, they can disappear pretty quickly.

2652
03:53:07,770 --> 03:53:12,070
And so we would have to be very judicious on how it's used.

2653
03:53:12,290 --> 03:53:17,170
I think even tonight earlier we had an issue before us where there's a significant

2654
03:53:17,170 --> 03:53:17,590
aspect.

2655
03:53:17,590 --> 03:53:22,990
There's a lot of appetite for that asker on this table, but there's pieces that we're

2656
03:53:22,990 --> 03:53:25,190
looking for to be able to move that forward.

2657
03:53:25,390 --> 03:53:31,570
But then we would be looking to Mr. Hayward to say, so what various sources of funding

2658
03:53:31,570 --> 03:53:35,650
do we have available to us and how could we achieve that?

2659
03:53:35,650 --> 03:53:45,170
And if council call S is around that idea, then it's Mr. Hayward's role to tell us where the source of funding is.

2660
03:53:46,270 --> 03:53:53,470
So the name, notwithstanding council or park, I think, you know, it's quite carefully.

2661
03:53:53,650 --> 03:54:04,470
I did want to just clarify, on page 45 in a year of surplus number A, what is the property tax gross expenditure budget?

2662
03:54:04,470 --> 03:54:08,430
Mr. Hayward, because I think we have capital, we have this, that and the other thing.

2663
03:54:08,510 --> 03:54:10,670
Can you just clarify what that number?

2664
03:54:11,410 --> 03:54:16,070
So there would be the tax-supported operating expenditures in the 800 million range.

2665
03:54:17,510 --> 03:54:19,850
Thank you. That's really helpful to me.

2666
03:54:20,150 --> 03:54:22,190
So I support the staff recommendation.

2667
03:54:22,430 --> 03:54:23,910
I think it's a balanced recommendation.

2668
03:54:24,230 --> 03:54:25,890
It's a transparent recommendation.

2669
03:54:27,170 --> 03:54:30,770
So I won't support the amendment to this.

2670
03:54:31,110 --> 03:54:31,950
Councillor Zayman.

2671
03:54:33,170 --> 03:54:42,890
Thank you Mr. Chair, and I appreciate that the idea around this new reserve fund is creative and obviously things

2672
03:54:42,890 --> 03:54:51,250
do come from time to time. I still will say that I'm supportive of this motion on the floor in part because I do

2673
03:54:51,250 --> 03:54:57,430
think that it is more fiercely prudent as a way to go. I think Councillor Armstrong asked to

2674
03:54:57,430 --> 03:55:02,550
what would be the more prudent way to go or what he may go, and obviously this is a direction

2675
03:55:02,550 --> 03:55:08,870
of council that's like we decide, but I think from when we're looking at how we can best manage our assets,

2676
03:55:09,030 --> 03:55:14,590
we talk about the infrastructure gap, as well as our debt, and how we can most reduce our costs

2677
03:55:14,590 --> 03:55:21,490
in the future, this is likely the best way to go. And again, I think I'll just reiterate the comments

2678
03:55:21,490 --> 03:55:29,510
from Council of Helmer, you know, this potential reserve fund, we have no idea how much money

2679
03:55:29,510 --> 03:55:34,450
that's going to be. First of all, there's two major pieces that have to get funded, and we

2680
03:55:34,450 --> 03:55:40,210
talk about the unfunded liabilities as well as the contingency budget, or contingency reserve,

2681
03:55:40,490 --> 03:55:47,490
and then we get 50% additional to budget, or excuse me, to debt payments, and then we get 25%

2682
03:55:48,310 --> 03:55:53,010
And so this 25% could be, who knows what it could be, again, I think this is definitely

2683
03:55:53,010 --> 03:55:56,090
where he works at, you know, you could get a hundred dollars in there, you could get a thousand,

2684
03:55:56,090 --> 03:55:59,310
you could get a hundred thousand, you could a million ever know, depending on what the surplus

2685
03:55:59,310 --> 03:56:00,950
or deficit is going to be in a year.

2686
03:56:01,430 --> 03:56:04,670
And so if you really want an opportunity to be able to fund whatever emergency initiatives

2687
03:56:04,670 --> 03:56:08,610
may come up, I think this counts on how much I'll do to it, if we want something that we want

2688
03:56:08,610 --> 03:56:12,210
to pay for in the year and say, let's have this reserve fund, then we can make a decision

2689
03:56:12,210 --> 03:56:15,950
as council to say, we're going to put this much money into that reserve fund each year, and

2690
03:56:15,950 --> 03:56:17,910
as a decision we can make from our total budget,

2691
03:56:18,110 --> 03:56:22,110
doesn't have to be stable or connected to a surplus

2692
03:56:22,110 --> 03:56:23,950
or deficit, a surplus that may not exist.

2693
03:56:24,670 --> 03:56:26,710
So even if we want this money, it may not happen.

2694
03:56:26,950 --> 03:56:28,590
I mean, people talk about let's spend on poverty,

2695
03:56:29,070 --> 03:56:31,610
let's spend on whatever other issue may be coming up.

2696
03:56:31,990 --> 03:56:33,950
Nobody may be there, and then we come to a point

2697
03:56:33,950 --> 03:56:35,550
where we say we still need to spend this money,

2698
03:56:35,810 --> 03:56:37,330
what we have to do, that's how we're gonna do that,

2699
03:56:37,330 --> 03:56:38,950
and we have done that in the past in other ways.

2700
03:56:39,970 --> 03:56:41,650
So that's the reason why I'm supporting this,

2701
03:56:41,790 --> 03:56:43,210
and again, I think this is a much more fiercely

2702
03:56:43,210 --> 03:56:47,330
for the way to go, and I hope college support that.

2703
03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:50,280
That's just where.

2704
03:56:53,330 --> 03:56:55,530
I think from my point of view, I think I view

2705
03:56:55,530 --> 03:56:58,910
that the 25% I think we can call it the community

2706
03:56:58,910 --> 03:56:59,870
investment reserve.

2707
03:57:00,110 --> 03:57:02,210
I'm really as a way to protect our tax rate.

2708
03:57:02,810 --> 03:57:04,090
That money is going to be in there.

2709
03:57:04,150 --> 03:57:05,250
It's going to be in this year.

2710
03:57:05,290 --> 03:57:07,250
And I agree we should be putting more money into it.

2711
03:57:07,650 --> 03:57:08,690
Because one of the things I discovered

2712
03:57:08,690 --> 03:57:11,710
through the budget process is that certainly from my point

2713
03:57:11,710 --> 03:57:13,890
of view, when I thought we had a solid group of numbers,

2714
03:57:13,990 --> 03:57:17,090
things started coming in and adding and adding

2715
03:57:17,090 --> 03:57:24,070
on to that tax load. So I agree with a lot of what counselors happen in Councilor Halmer said,

2716
03:57:24,470 --> 03:57:30,530
and I certainly won't consider that they're more physically prudent than I am. But I think

2717
03:57:30,530 --> 03:57:35,310
in this situation, this is a way to start down that road to saying, look, rather than putting

2718
03:57:35,310 --> 03:57:40,950
it on the backs of the taxpayers, let's put the money that they paid from last year, that

2719
03:57:40,950 --> 03:57:44,970
accumulated surplus and let's use that for those investments, rather than putting it on

2720
03:57:44,970 --> 03:57:45,710
their backs next year.

2721
03:57:45,710 --> 03:57:59,930
So I understand their points, but I think in this particular circumstance, I think this is a way to make community investments and the one thing I have learned since I've been elected is that the community and people living in London do want us to make prudent community investments where they're appropriate.

2722
03:58:00,630 --> 03:58:07,010
I've heard that over and over again, and I think this council is capable of doing that. So I won't be supporting the amendment, but I'll be supporting the name motion.

2723
03:58:09,640 --> 03:58:10,420
Councillor Helmer.

2724
03:58:12,980 --> 03:58:21,080
Well, I can see it's going to be going so well for the idea of closing the infrastructure gap with our surplus

2725
03:58:22,500 --> 03:58:27,940
I want to try one more time to convince people. I I see that you indicated that a lot of you don't want to

2726
03:58:27,940 --> 03:58:30,540
Move in this direction, but we have like a

2727
03:58:31,320 --> 03:58:34,120
$191 million in various kinds of reserve funds

2728
03:58:34,120 --> 03:58:38,520
There's at least 42 of these reserve funds for various different things and

2729
03:58:38,520 --> 03:58:47,300
And what I'm wary of here is creating a new reserve for one or two new reserve funds in our surplus policy amendments.

2730
03:58:47,880 --> 03:58:52,580
One of which doesn't have any definition at all the other one I think is very straightforward.

2731
03:58:52,820 --> 03:58:53,240
What it's about.

2732
03:58:54,060 --> 03:58:58,140
And then allocating a significant chunk of the surplus to those two reserve funds.

2733
03:58:58,400 --> 03:59:02,420
So I'm okay with the one around the capital infrastructure gap. It's very clear what that is for.

2734
03:59:02,420 --> 03:59:08,600
The other one is quite neveless and who knows what it is we're going to use this for and it's not even defined yet

2735
03:59:08,600 --> 03:59:11,820
So I think this is a matter of sort of simple prudence. It's not a great approach

2736
03:59:12,240 --> 03:59:17,660
I would prefer to create reserved funds and events and then change the policy to direct funds in there or whatever

2737
03:59:18,460 --> 03:59:23,560
The other thing I would say is that you know we're talking about is this way of spending money better than that way of spending money

2738
03:59:23,560 --> 03:59:25,460
That's a great discussion to have in the budget

2739
03:59:26,040 --> 03:59:29,800
And I think we're going to have those discussions about where we think the priority should be

2740
03:59:29,800 --> 03:59:35,440
This is just about the surplus policy, and my own personal view is that a good way of using the surplus policy

2741
03:59:35,440 --> 03:59:40,100
about the surplus funds is to pay down the cancel that you don't need anymore, excellent,

2742
03:59:40,740 --> 03:59:45,000
and start closing the infrastructure of a gap, a very long-term thing that has long-term benefits,

2743
03:59:45,500 --> 03:59:49,560
greatly of using this one-time surplus money. That's why I think it's appropriate for the surplus policy.

2744
03:59:49,780 --> 03:59:54,620
I also think there's good arguments for having it in your operating budget as a way of closing that gap,

2745
03:59:55,440 --> 03:59:58,820
but I think for the surplus policy specifically, the canceling

2746
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:24,300
I need to issue and then contributing more money towards the infrastructure of gap. It's a perfect way of doing it. It's really boring. It's extremely boring. It's not exciting, but it's essential. And I would encourage you to support this particular thing here. And if you want to make an argument for a reserve fund for these other purposes, do that in the multi-year budget process, we're considering all the different ways that we can spend money, including how much we should be spending on a plan way on the infrastructure gap.

2747
04:00:25,960 --> 04:00:29,620
Okay, I have no further speakers, so I'm inclined to call the question.

2748
04:00:31,540 --> 04:00:35,240
So this is the amendment, moved by Councillor Helmer, seconded by Councillor Zaytman, we're

2749
04:00:35,240 --> 04:00:35,660
voting.

2750
04:00:42,220 --> 04:00:44,740
Closing the vote, the motion loses, 3, 11.

2751
04:00:45,440 --> 04:00:50,200
Okay, and on the main motion moved by Councillor Morgan, seconded by Councillor Squire, any further

2752
04:00:50,200 --> 04:00:50,700
discussion?

2753
04:00:52,380 --> 04:00:52,980
Councillor Zaytman?

2754
04:00:57,770 --> 04:01:01,790
Through the chair, I'm not sure if it's possible or not, within what we're doing here,

2755
04:01:01,810 --> 04:01:04,990
but I request if possible to vote on B separately.

2756
04:01:06,470 --> 04:01:08,990
Certainly, we can vote on the separately.

2757
04:01:09,550 --> 04:01:10,730
Councillor Hummer, did you want to speak?

2758
04:01:12,630 --> 04:01:16,690
Yeah, I'd suggest you change the name of it from municipal council.

2759
04:01:17,490 --> 04:01:18,450
I'll just drop that.

2760
04:01:18,870 --> 04:01:20,250
But I'm going to be voting against that part anyway,

2761
04:01:20,750 --> 04:01:22,210
but I think other people might want to change it.

2762
04:01:26,200 --> 04:01:29,180
Okay, we'll deal with A and C at this time.

2763
04:01:36,680 --> 04:01:37,840
Question from Councillor Morgan?

2764
04:01:38,920 --> 04:01:41,780
Well, listen, if there's relative consensus for a committee,

2765
04:01:41,780 --> 04:01:46,960
and I just agree that if municipal council, the term is a stumbling lock for colleagues

2766
04:01:46,960 --> 04:01:51,200
and I don't think it changes the structure of the description of it, so if people want

2767
04:01:51,200 --> 04:01:55,020
that out, we don't have a problem with that, but I would like to make sure it's something

2768
04:01:55,020 --> 04:01:55,980
generally supported.

2769
04:01:56,540 --> 04:01:59,480
I think some people don't like the name, some people don't like the policy, so let's deal with

2770
04:01:59,480 --> 04:02:02,140
A and C, and then we'll have that conversation about B right afterwards.

2771
04:02:02,820 --> 04:02:04,080
Okay, so we're dealing with A and C.

2772
04:02:18,990 --> 04:02:21,430
This is motion to prove A and C. There's no further

2773
04:02:21,430 --> 04:02:22,450
discussion and we're voting.

2774
04:02:36,300 --> 04:02:37,340
Councillor Silly,

2775
04:02:42,800 --> 04:02:45,720
closing the vote, the motion carries 12-2.

2776
04:02:46,080 --> 04:02:52,420
Okay, B. Councillor Morgan, this is your motion. If you wanted to make a slight amendment to the name, this would be a appropriate time.

2777
04:02:53,420 --> 04:02:58,420
Yeah, I don't mind dropping the term municipal council, just to leave it as community investment reserve fund.

2778
04:03:02,400 --> 04:03:07,680
So, friendly amendment to supported by both mover and the seconder. Councillor Zaykin.

2779
04:03:09,900 --> 04:03:15,020
If you're interested, thank you for the opportunity and not to be a dead horse, but it

2780
04:03:15,020 --> 04:03:21,700
just wanted to reiterate that a point I made earlier, we're voting on a reserve fund which

2781
04:03:21,700 --> 04:03:26,220
right now has no principles, there's nothing really attached to it as to what it can be used

2782
04:03:26,220 --> 04:03:26,920
for.

2783
04:03:27,340 --> 04:03:32,460
It's simply just a name, and so that is the reason why I'm voting against it, looking

2784
04:03:32,460 --> 04:03:36,980
for a bit more sums and some principles around how we can actually how this reserve fund would

2785
04:03:36,980 --> 04:03:43,560
be utilized. As far as I recall, going through it, there's no in terms of actually bringing the principles

2786
04:03:43,560 --> 04:03:49,500
and what we need for it to actually create it. I much rather have what the exact purpose of it is

2787
04:03:49,500 --> 04:03:55,660
how it can be spent, how it can be allocated, brought before Council before any decision is made on it.

2788
04:03:56,340 --> 04:04:00,800
Thank you. A couple of speakers, I have the mover of the motion, Councillor Morgan.

2789
04:04:03,490 --> 04:04:08,010
Yes, so there is a small description. It's basically relatively open-ended at this point

2790
04:04:08,010 --> 04:04:13,170
on what we could use it for, which is very similar to one of the provisions in the old policy

2791
04:04:13,610 --> 04:04:18,530
about community investments, but a certainly doesn't preclude us from doing a number of the things

2792
04:04:18,530 --> 04:04:23,170
that was discussed today. If we wanted to discuss it, the Treasury says this will output in the policy

2793
04:04:23,830 --> 04:04:28,830
the end of the quarter next year that we certainly have time to debate and discuss that in

2794
04:04:28,830 --> 04:04:33,130
the establishments parameters. But as it stands now, there's a short description, which parallels

2795
04:04:33,130 --> 04:04:35,810
of a previous description of the old surplus policy.

2796
04:04:36,890 --> 04:04:37,670
Okay, thank you.

2797
04:04:37,830 --> 04:04:39,570
And Councillor Hurrah, pardon me, Deputy Mayor Hubert.

2798
04:04:40,050 --> 04:04:43,010
Well, I think I have my answer from Councillor Morgan.

2799
04:04:43,570 --> 04:04:50,210
I understand we'll get some clarity around its disposition prior to making any funding

2800
04:04:50,210 --> 04:04:50,730
decisions.

2801
04:04:50,850 --> 04:04:51,550
Is that correct?

2802
04:04:51,990 --> 04:04:52,730
Through you, Mr. Chair.

2803
04:04:52,930 --> 04:04:53,350
Does that answer here?

2804
04:04:55,110 --> 04:04:55,990
Through the Chair.

2805
04:04:56,030 --> 04:04:59,810
Yes, we won't have any final numbers on surplus and therefore disposition will be made

2806
04:04:59,810 --> 04:05:01,530
until probably March next year.

2807
04:05:04,670 --> 04:05:10,250
Okay. No further speakers. So let's call the question. This is part B. We're voting.

2808
04:05:18,130 --> 04:05:20,890
closing the vote. The motion carries 12.2.

2809
04:05:25,840 --> 04:05:29,120
Okay, colleagues, that brings us to consent item number four. This is the

2810
04:05:29,120 --> 04:05:33,960
Stratplans City of London 2015-2019. I believe is Mr. Zidim, are you reporting

2811
04:05:33,960 --> 04:05:42,400
note on this? Sure. And I'll endeavor to be fairly brief. I think we can all

2812
04:05:42,400 --> 04:05:48,800
We recollect that last week marked the one year anniversary of this Council having taken office

2813
04:05:49,400 --> 04:05:56,940
and one of the accomplishments that the Council achieved last year was the development and the approval

2814
04:05:56,940 --> 04:06:00,740
of a strategic plan in your first hundred days in term.

2815
04:06:02,500 --> 04:06:10,940
And in that, it's important with strategic plans that we periodically reflect and report on how we're

2816
04:06:10,940 --> 04:06:20,000
doing. And so the report that we have prepared references and suggests a process by which

2817
04:06:20,700 --> 04:06:29,320
we can report on how we're doing. And more specifically, the report suggests a semi-annual

2818
04:06:29,320 --> 04:06:38,260
progress report that would be released in May and November of each year, and that report

2819
04:06:38,260 --> 04:06:42,560
would provide a detailed indication of the progress

2820
04:06:42,560 --> 04:06:44,940
that we're making towards each of the strategies

2821
04:06:44,940 --> 04:06:45,940
in the Strat Plan.

2822
04:06:46,780 --> 04:06:50,140
And then on an annual basis, as we've been doing in the past,

2823
04:06:50,320 --> 04:06:52,840
there would be a report to the community,

2824
04:06:53,620 --> 04:06:55,100
which would come out in December,

2825
04:06:55,700 --> 04:06:58,700
and that would highlight some of the accomplishments

2826
04:06:58,700 --> 04:07:01,040
that have been made over the past year.

2827
04:07:02,060 --> 04:07:06,580
So what we have included attached to your report

2828
04:07:07,600 --> 04:07:17,980
is an initial progress report, and that progress report shows that approximately 84 percent

2829
04:07:17,980 --> 04:07:25,840
of the strategies in the strategic plan are in process, but 4 percent are complete.

2830
04:07:26,780 --> 04:07:33,200
And what we've also provided to you and hold it up is what we've got as a bit of a work

2831
04:07:33,200 --> 04:07:44,080
progress a first cut if you will of our first 2015 report to the community and that document

2832
04:07:44,080 --> 04:07:50,680
captures some of the highlights of the past year. It centers in on the four focus areas that

2833
04:07:50,680 --> 04:07:57,640
you've identified in your strategic plan and as I say this is this reports in a draft form

2834
04:07:57,640 --> 04:08:01,860
and we hope to finalize it before the end of the year.

2835
04:08:02,840 --> 04:08:10,500
In concluding, Council Strategic Plan sets a very bold vision for our organization for this community,

2836
04:08:11,120 --> 04:08:14,540
and that includes many transformative projects and activities.

2837
04:08:15,320 --> 04:08:20,720
And I think today is an opportunity for us to all reflect on what's already been accomplished,

2838
04:08:20,720 --> 04:08:41,520
And how Council might consider these various reporting mechanisms to ensure that the progress and the monitoring of what you've sought to do and the progress that's being made can be provided both to Council and the community.

2839
04:08:41,520 --> 04:08:50,680
So, that is the extent to which I wanted to address the report and happy to try and entertain

2840
04:08:50,680 --> 04:08:52,880
any questions that you might have.

2841
04:08:53,240 --> 04:08:53,400
Thank you.

2842
04:08:53,560 --> 04:08:54,040
I have Council here.

2843
04:08:54,300 --> 04:08:54,940
Deputy Mayor Heaver.

2844
04:08:56,400 --> 04:09:01,540
Thank you, Mr. Zudem, and I read the answer as a report with interest and all of the

2845
04:09:01,540 --> 04:09:01,880
background.

2846
04:09:02,500 --> 04:09:03,880
It's quite volume this.

2847
04:09:04,120 --> 04:09:10,620
And I think one of the things that I would congratulate my colleagues on is many of them

2848
04:09:10,620 --> 04:09:15,260
are having ward meetings on a periodic

2849
04:09:15,260 --> 04:09:17,940
some quarterly, some by an early basis.

2850
04:09:18,780 --> 04:09:21,060
And I wonder if there's a way in which staff could help us

2851
04:09:21,060 --> 04:09:23,100
so that we all don't have to reinvent the wheel.

2852
04:09:23,880 --> 04:09:26,820
This is great to take out, but if we could somehow create

2853
04:09:27,640 --> 04:09:33,440
a 15-slide deck that we could share amongst ourselves

2854
04:09:33,440 --> 04:09:38,180
so we're all not, and the deer folks that work with us

2855
04:09:38,180 --> 04:09:43,360
counselors office aren't trying to figure out how to put this into a slide that we can

2856
04:09:43,360 --> 04:09:48,560
probably modify it if there's something we wanted to emphasize versus something else

2857
04:09:48,560 --> 04:09:53,400
but if we could create that to go along with the documentation, I think that'd be really

2858
04:09:53,400 --> 04:10:00,460
helpful for us to use in the early part of the year as many of us will have ward meetings at that

2859
04:10:00,460 --> 04:10:00,920
time.

2860
04:10:03,070 --> 04:10:11,620
We can certainly do that, thank you. Thank you, any other speakers? Councillor Helmer and then

2861
04:10:11,620 --> 04:10:18,480
Thanks very much, so I guess this is a comment and perhaps a question through to our staff.

2862
04:10:19,040 --> 04:10:26,160
So I appreciate the detailed tracking sort of for each item and the strategic plan like where are we at.

2863
04:10:26,860 --> 04:10:38,840
I'm a bit concerned that most of the items are in progress and that they'll be in progress for many years and we won't really see any changes in the indicators for a lot of these things,

2864
04:10:38,840 --> 04:10:40,940
because it's sort of binary, it's like it's in progress,

2865
04:10:41,260 --> 04:10:43,080
so it's going to be completed or not started.

2866
04:10:43,680 --> 04:10:46,200
And there's a lot, there's a lot of differences within in progress.

2867
04:10:47,160 --> 04:10:51,760
And I wanted to bring here attention, there was an example that I saw,

2868
04:10:51,920 --> 04:10:54,380
which I thought was a little bit more detail,

2869
04:10:54,600 --> 04:10:58,880
which was, it's sort of like, red, a red yellow green.

2870
04:10:59,240 --> 04:11:02,400
Green was advancing well in progress, no big problems,

2871
04:11:02,420 --> 04:11:03,180
it's on the track.

2872
04:11:03,580 --> 04:11:06,480
Yellow was, you know, in progress, but it's kind of stalled.

2873
04:11:06,480 --> 04:11:09,240
and Red was, you know, since that started.

2874
04:11:09,920 --> 04:11:13,280
And so I wonder if you considered having that kind of,

2875
04:11:13,280 --> 04:11:15,980
like, slightly more detail around the in-progress items

2876
04:11:15,980 --> 04:11:17,580
and whether you think that'd be helpful.

2877
04:11:17,800 --> 04:11:19,700
Because I'm worried that this looks pretty good

2878
04:11:19,700 --> 04:11:22,420
for the first cut, and then we'll look at it again

2879
04:11:22,420 --> 04:11:23,620
and it'll look almost decent,

2880
04:11:24,260 --> 04:11:25,760
and that won't be as helpful as a way of monitoring.

2881
04:11:27,880 --> 04:11:30,840
Through the chair, I certainly appreciate that comment

2882
04:11:31,960 --> 04:11:35,380
and there may be other ways in which we could approach this

2883
04:11:35,380 --> 04:11:42,120
And recently at a LEDC meeting, we had a presentation that, in a very similar way, utilized

2884
04:11:42,120 --> 04:11:47,160
the red, the green, and the yellow, I appreciate that the Councillor is coming, and this

2885
04:11:47,160 --> 04:11:48,660
is our first time through.

2886
04:11:49,340 --> 04:11:54,860
And we put this together fairly quickly wanting to be able to have the first report.

2887
04:11:55,680 --> 04:12:01,780
But certainly I think on a go-forward basis, we would want to as accurately as possible

2888
04:12:01,780 --> 04:12:07,980
be able to show where we are and how we've been progressing and so your comments are appreciated

2889
04:12:07,980 --> 04:12:13,880
and we'll take that back to see how we can bring back the next iteration in a way that's

2890
04:12:13,880 --> 04:12:16,680
meaningful and shows the progression over time.

2891
04:12:18,690 --> 04:12:19,950
Okay, that's just where did I be down?

2892
04:12:20,410 --> 04:12:22,310
Yeah, go ahead, please. The first,

2893
04:12:26,270 --> 04:12:29,530
I think I, it's sort of like council how much point in

2894
04:12:29,530 --> 04:12:34,210
when you when you have a strategic plan and then you say here how are we doing it and you

2895
04:12:34,210 --> 04:12:39,170
cite another plan and then you say it's in progress on going I could see seeing the exact

2896
04:12:39,170 --> 04:12:43,870
same thing next I would prefer to know something specific that we've done in that plan

2897
04:12:43,870 --> 04:12:48,530
and other would type we these are big element of that plan that we've finished is or not but to

2898
04:12:48,530 --> 04:12:53,710
just say you know we're we're in progress on a big plan doesn't doesn't really help me and when

2899
04:12:53,710 --> 04:12:57,690
I compare that to the report to the community the thing about it I really like is it does

2900
04:12:57,690 --> 04:13:02,290
site specific things. It doesn't speak in the language of plans. It speaks in the language

2901
04:13:02,290 --> 04:13:08,310
that citizens can understand. So when I compare the two I suppose as a counselor, I would

2902
04:13:08,310 --> 04:13:11,630
prefer it. I would prefer more of what the reports the community has in other

2903
04:13:11,630 --> 04:13:16,590
specific items that have been completed but I really like the reports of the community

2904
04:13:19,330 --> 04:13:20,610
MSI. Councillor Hopkins.

2905
04:13:22,370 --> 04:13:28,750
Thank you. I'd like to also make the same comment as the previous counselors. I was

2906
04:13:28,750 --> 04:13:34,130
very pleased to see the record of the community come forward, that gave me a lot more detail

2907
04:13:34,130 --> 04:13:40,330
as opposed to the record in the agenda. So I would like to see something different coming

2908
04:13:40,330 --> 04:13:47,830
forward in May and November. The dashboard, I think the green yellow red automatically gives me

2909
04:13:47,830 --> 04:13:54,670
an indication as to what's going on just by looking at it. I found when I was looking at certain items

2910
04:13:54,670 --> 04:14:01,050
had completed in progress on going which I think is it's fine for the first report but I would

2911
04:14:01,050 --> 04:14:08,890
kind of question that as we move forward so again would appreciate the report to the community

2912
04:14:08,890 --> 04:14:14,750
and maybe a change in the other reporting. Councillor Morgan.

2913
04:14:17,610 --> 04:14:19,210
I like the report thinking community

2914
04:14:19,210 --> 04:14:24,050
although I will mention when I mentioned the first time and that there are pictures of other

2915
04:14:24,050 --> 04:14:25,750
who will place in the city beside downtown,

2916
04:14:26,170 --> 04:14:27,490
and I think fanship I made it in there.

2917
04:14:27,570 --> 04:14:31,870
I'm not sure how Mo got that happen, but I do like it.

2918
04:14:32,330 --> 04:14:34,370
And on the reporting of the progress,

2919
04:14:35,030 --> 04:14:36,790
I appreciate the comments that are made so far.

2920
04:14:37,110 --> 04:14:39,750
The one thing that I've seen with previous organizations

2921
04:14:39,750 --> 04:14:42,870
that I've worked on reporting out on a strategic plan

2922
04:14:42,870 --> 04:14:46,270
is who the lead is on that particular component

2923
04:14:46,270 --> 04:14:47,990
to follow up with more information.

2924
04:14:48,350 --> 04:14:51,230
So if I want to see where one of these things is going,

2925
04:14:51,470 --> 04:14:53,030
whether that's the SLT person,

2926
04:14:53,030 --> 04:14:58,250
even maybe digging it down to the person who's like actually leading on on the item that that could be a

2927
04:15:02,980 --> 04:15:09,340
So we recognize the work that the individuals are doing as well as no who to go to if we had some questions about the initiative.

2928
04:15:12,520 --> 04:15:14,280
I think that feedback is well received.

2929
04:15:15,120 --> 04:15:17,760
I have come through as sure and your other speakers at the time, Councillor Asher.

2930
04:15:19,340 --> 04:15:25,960
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I like the report. I do agree with what Councillor Helmer said. It would be nice to have some different colors.

2931
04:15:27,440 --> 04:15:46,580
I wonder if if we see anything else because I haven't had time to go through this, and I don't want to go through it critically, I just want to go through it and make some comments that might be advantageous, but I do want to make one specific one right now, and it's on page 10 where we talk about diverse employment opportunities.

2932
04:15:46,580 --> 04:15:51,600
I'm not sure sure that what it says here is relevant to the city of London.

2933
04:15:53,800 --> 04:15:55,460
I'm not sure sure what it means at all.

2934
04:15:55,600 --> 04:16:00,820
I like to see something as specifically for the city of London and the diverse employment opportunities.

2935
04:16:01,700 --> 04:16:08,040
I think that when we made a statement, we were talking about the demographics of the employees of the city of London,

2936
04:16:08,380 --> 04:16:11,560
not anything to do with London and economic development cooperation.

2937
04:16:12,240 --> 04:16:18,420
But I'd like to be allowed to get my input within the next 40, additional input within the next 48 hours.

2938
04:16:19,800 --> 04:16:28,060
Yeah, I'm seeing nods from Mr. Zidim that once you have a chance to go through the document detail to provide your feedback in this time for that.

2939
04:16:28,260 --> 04:16:28,800
Any other speakers?

2940
04:16:30,560 --> 04:16:34,760
Okay. If you get open the vote please, we'll look for a mover and a seconder.

2941
04:16:42,580 --> 04:16:46,960
Move by Councillor Rain, hold a second by Councillor Helmer. There's no one on the speaking list, we're voting.

2942
04:16:50,530 --> 04:16:56,710
closing the vote. The motion carries 14 to 0. Great. That brings us to our last consent item.

2943
04:16:56,990 --> 04:17:01,990
This is five. This is the letting community grants program. Is that Ms. Livingston? Is that when yours?

2944
04:17:06,740 --> 04:17:15,860
Thank you. The purpose of this report is to bring back the details around the further work on modernizing the grant process.

2945
04:17:15,860 --> 04:17:23,760
So at a previous SPPC, you endorse the overall framework for the modernized grant process.

2946
04:17:23,840 --> 04:17:31,760
What this report entails is the specific policy, the updated grant agreement, and the evaluation criteria that would be applied.

2947
04:17:33,200 --> 04:17:37,520
Okay, at this time we'll open this up for questions from any members comes to the park.

2948
04:17:48,050 --> 04:17:48,910
Thank you.

2949
04:17:49,570 --> 04:17:50,730
I don't have questions at this time.

2950
04:17:50,750 --> 04:17:51,570
More so comments.

2951
04:17:51,870 --> 04:17:52,590
Is that appropriate enough?

2952
04:17:52,850 --> 04:17:53,230
Great.

2953
04:17:53,830 --> 04:18:03,210
Under schedule A, section 4, 4.1, the last sentence of that paragraph where possible availability of grants would be advertised.

2954
04:18:03,350 --> 04:18:11,490
I feel that every grant should be advertised. I would like to see that removed. I know I'm digging into the weeds, but I'll only be there for another minute.

2955
04:18:13,930 --> 04:18:21,970
Under, the appeals process, I'm not happy with the wording of, so this is section 4.5,

2956
04:18:21,970 --> 04:18:30,590
On page 83, 4.5.6, an appeal does not delay or suspend the city's disbursement of allocated funds to approved organizations.

2957
04:18:31,370 --> 04:18:38,250
To me, that shines no hope to the appeals process whatsoever because every dollar I'm assuming would be allocated to groups.

2958
04:18:38,410 --> 04:18:40,010
I'm seeing shaking heads, so that makes me happy.

2959
04:18:40,610 --> 04:18:49,890
But I still don't like that wording because for individuals organizations looking to apply for this funding, I would look like, okay, there's no lead at the end of the tunnel.

2960
04:18:49,890 --> 04:18:52,610
So if I get some clarification on that, that'd be great.

2961
04:18:57,320 --> 04:19:03,380
Through the chair, I think the intent was to have the grant allocation process proceed,

2962
04:19:03,480 --> 04:19:13,480
but if the understanding of what is said here is that we would not actually entertain an appeal,

2963
04:19:13,720 --> 04:19:15,680
then we'll reword it so it's

2964
04:19:18,020 --> 04:19:18,020
clear.

2965
04:19:18,320 --> 04:19:18,860
That's Russia.

2966
04:19:20,480 --> 04:19:21,800
Just a quick one.

2967
04:19:22,080 --> 04:19:25,400
Can you tell me more or less how much money we are talking about for our grant like this?

2968
04:19:25,400 --> 04:19:30,600
I get the impression that there's about 2.3 million dollars and I were on the right with that.

2969
04:19:30,740 --> 04:19:32,240
That's what show I got that from.

2970
04:19:35,630 --> 04:19:39,670
Through the chair, there is a total at the moment of 2.4 million.

2971
04:19:40,530 --> 04:19:49,290
And we were proposing a distribution between the multi-year lines and the innovation and capital line of 2.3 million and 100,000.

2972
04:19:49,450 --> 04:19:52,850
That decision of course is yours to make during the budget discussions,

2973
04:19:53,310 --> 04:19:56,370
but that's the amount that is available currently.

2974
04:19:58,040 --> 04:19:59,400
Councillor Zain.

2975
04:20:01,420 --> 04:20:02,160
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2976
04:20:02,300 --> 04:20:03,980
I have four questions.

2977
04:20:06,200 --> 04:20:09,040
Under 4.3.5,

2978
04:20:10,060 --> 04:20:13,040
specific type of confidentiality and conflict of interest.

2979
04:20:14,620 --> 04:20:17,100
The third bullet speaks to members of the community for

2980
04:20:17,100 --> 04:20:20,360
Upanel, remaining anonymous until all

2981
04:20:20,360 --> 04:20:22,060
funny decisions have been made at that time

2982
04:20:22,060 --> 04:20:23,640
that committee membership will be released

2983
04:20:23,640 --> 04:20:29,060
the public through the chair as a question and just I may have just missed earlier.

2984
04:20:29,360 --> 04:20:34,420
So how often does the membership of the community review panel alternate or does it switch?

2985
04:20:35,060 --> 04:20:39,360
Does it terminate at the end of the period when that funding has been given out and then a new

2986
04:20:39,360 --> 04:20:40,360
group has put on?

2987
04:20:40,720 --> 04:20:48,980
Because otherwise it would seem like that sort of an anonymity would be less than helpful if they

2988
04:20:48,980 --> 04:20:50,120
get released at that time.

2989
04:21:13,120 --> 04:21:24,060
Through the chair, the names for the multi-year review is so it's once every three years in 2017 to 2019, and then moving forward once every four years.

2990
04:21:24,540 --> 04:21:31,520
So that review panel is once, so it will be one panel every end of change every three or four years, the membership.

2991
04:21:32,200 --> 04:21:38,600
For the annual and innovation and capital stream, the review panel will be an annual panel.

2992
04:21:38,600 --> 04:21:39,340
question

2993
04:21:43,020 --> 04:21:48,780
one done. Thank you. Question two under 5.1 under the application. Sorry 5.1.

2994
04:21:49,060 --> 04:21:53,490
Point two, grant applications must be accompanied by financial statements for the previous year.

2995
04:21:54,600 --> 04:21:59,260
So are we excluding organizations that have never existed before and have not had a full year under their both?

2996
04:22:04,510 --> 04:22:07,890
We need to have at least some type of audit statement.

2997
04:22:09,170 --> 04:22:11,990
Probably if it's audited, it doesn't have to be.

2998
04:22:11,990 --> 04:22:17,430
we have funded organizations in the first year before where they haven't had any formal funding

2999
04:22:17,430 --> 04:22:22,410
but at the minimum they've had some type of informal financial statement or budget

3000
04:22:22,410 --> 04:22:28,900
that we've reviewed and just a quick comment through the chair so

3001
04:22:28,900 --> 04:22:32,040
and I don't and I think that's probably a important thing to do I guess I just want

3002
04:22:32,040 --> 04:22:34,980
we want necessarily to advertising ourselves as necessarily the first place that

3003
04:22:35,980 --> 04:22:39,620
organization might come for a grant potentially which is okay we can help support

3004
04:22:39,620 --> 04:22:46,900
after a certain point. Under 5.3.4, the City of London through its grain process will not

3005
04:22:46,900 --> 04:22:52,260
contribute to outstanding deficits. So that's a key one to me. I just want to ask for the chair.

3006
04:22:52,600 --> 04:22:56,340
So we talk about not contributing to outstanding deficits. Does that mean that we will not

3007
04:22:56,340 --> 04:22:59,780
contribute to organizations that have existing deficits at all?

3008
04:23:04,250 --> 04:23:05,650
Through the chair, this is what we

3009
04:23:05,650 --> 04:23:11,150
currently have in practice and we would continue if the organization has an outstanding deficit.

3010
04:23:11,150 --> 04:23:15,230
For example, in 2015, we will not fund them in 2016.

3011
04:23:20,800 --> 04:23:22,860
Through the chair, in my last question, and thank you for that clarification.

3012
04:23:23,140 --> 04:23:24,160
I'm glad to hear that.

3013
04:23:24,400 --> 04:23:32,020
This is under schedule B1 under the grant agreement, and I just, we have the innovation and

3014
04:23:32,020 --> 04:23:35,920
capital grants, but under the schedule, it doesn't actually speak as far as I can see to

3015
04:23:35,920 --> 04:23:36,620
innovation grants.

3016
04:23:36,620 --> 04:23:40,220
I was wondering if that's that fall under a capital or operating.

3017
04:23:42,920 --> 04:23:44,520
Through the chair, thank you for that.

3018
04:23:44,660 --> 04:23:46,440
The innovation falls under the operating.

3019
04:23:46,440 --> 04:23:47,480
Any

3020
04:23:51,200 --> 04:23:58,240
other speakers? Councillor Armstrong? Okay, sorry my list. Quick one, three or

3021
04:23:58,240 --> 04:24:02,820
ship. What's there's something I read in there about if an organization's from

3022
04:24:02,820 --> 04:24:05,660
outside a London and not eligible for funding?

3023
04:24:09,330 --> 04:24:10,270
Through the chair that is

3024
04:24:10,270 --> 04:24:14,670
correct you have to be an incorporated organization within the city of London

3025
04:24:14,670 --> 04:24:15,150
boundaries.

3026
04:24:20,940 --> 04:24:24,400
Okay, because I remember but maybe they haven't applied. I remember

3027
04:24:24,400 --> 04:24:29,300
there is at least one I remember that was from outside of London so when you go

3028
04:24:29,300 --> 04:24:35,800
down this policy that one would be immediately excluded. I'm going from memory that

3029
04:24:35,800 --> 04:24:41,320
there was a group and that was the issue at the time and I'm not sure. I don't

3030
04:24:41,320 --> 04:24:45,980
think I supported that group because of that issue. I won't get into the name but

3031
04:24:47,320 --> 04:24:52,060
usually when they start getting funding they get thing funding every year unless

3032
04:24:52,060 --> 04:24:57,820
something changes. So anyway, I'm sure you'll find that out later on when you

3033
04:24:57,820 --> 04:24:58,900
implement the policy.

3034
04:25:01,060 --> 04:25:02,420
Thank you. Councilor Morgan.

3035
04:25:04,960 --> 04:25:07,000
Thank you. I think that

3036
04:25:07,000 --> 04:25:10,440
whatever organization we're talking about will be fine for next year because we

3037
04:25:10,440 --> 04:25:16,420
we've rolled them all over from this year into 2016 which was and at that time I

3038
04:25:16,420 --> 04:25:20,040
had asked if we could review based on the strategic plan that that vote didn't

3039
04:25:20,040 --> 04:25:36,400
So, well, but I will say, I'm really happy with the way that the strategic plan has been integrated both into the granting and application process and aligning, you know, the priorities and direction that we've set with the qualification and scope of projects.

3040
04:25:37,180 --> 04:25:44,620
So, I know having moved that previous motion, I'd wanted to say very, very happy with that integration into the report.

3041
04:25:44,620 --> 04:25:48,200
But I think that's exactly what we should be doing with community grants is getting community

3042
04:25:48,200 --> 04:25:54,280
organizations to help align with the strategic plan and helping us as community partners

3043
04:25:54,280 --> 04:25:55,720
implement segments of it.

3044
04:25:55,780 --> 04:25:56,800
So that's quite well done.

3045
04:25:57,100 --> 04:25:57,900
Thank you.

3046
04:25:59,230 --> 04:26:00,250
Councillor Vandholst.

3047
04:26:02,110 --> 04:26:02,350
Thank you.

3048
04:26:02,450 --> 04:26:03,810
We're shipping through you.

3049
04:26:05,450 --> 04:26:07,570
Hopefully this will roll out without any bugs.

3050
04:26:08,590 --> 04:26:13,510
But if not, then I'm just wondering how you'll deal with that.

3051
04:26:13,510 --> 04:26:18,310
So if something doesn't quite work out, how you will approach that situation.

3052
04:26:22,610 --> 04:26:26,550
Through the chair with humor and that now.

3053
04:26:27,510 --> 04:26:32,450
I think what we're going to do is undertake a significant communication effort.

3054
04:26:32,790 --> 04:26:35,370
And also everyone in the community understands this.

3055
04:26:35,390 --> 04:26:38,190
And we'll hold information sessions so people are well prepared.

3056
04:26:38,190 --> 04:26:48,130
If we learn something as we undertake the process that we feel needs to result in a change in the policy direction,

3057
04:26:48,410 --> 04:26:55,990
then we will bring that back to council for direction, otherwise we'll operationalize it within the confines of what we've put in front of you.

3058
04:26:59,870 --> 04:27:02,550
So at this time I have no further speakers Councillor Helmer.

3059
04:27:04,940 --> 04:27:06,960
Thanks very much Mr. Mayor.

3060
04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:10,840
So my question is about, well, it's not really a question, I think we should get rid of it.

3061
04:27:11,040 --> 04:27:12,660
It's four to one.

3062
04:27:12,860 --> 04:27:14,860
This is about the mandatory community information meeting.

3063
04:27:16,180 --> 04:27:20,480
And my concern with that is that this is your one chance to participate in this program,

3064
04:27:20,540 --> 04:27:22,660
and if you miss it, you're done, and you can't participate.

3065
04:27:23,620 --> 04:27:25,560
And I think that that is not a good idea.

3066
04:27:25,940 --> 04:27:29,200
Especially in conjunction, I'm glad Councillor Park asked about the advertising piece,

3067
04:27:29,640 --> 04:27:34,500
because my concern with the overall thing was, if you already know into the city, we'll contact you.

3068
04:27:34,500 --> 04:27:40,920
If you come to our community information meeting, you can then participate, but if not, you know, a tough lock and you're not going to be able to participate.

3069
04:27:42,160 --> 04:27:44,700
So I like the idea of having a community information meeting great idea.

3070
04:27:45,160 --> 04:27:49,940
If somebody did miss it, I think you should be able to have a kind of catch up or maybe more than what meeting or something.

3071
04:27:50,120 --> 04:27:55,340
But that seems like a very harsh thing to have a mandatory meeting, and if you don't make it, you're out.

3072
04:27:58,520 --> 04:28:00,980
Through the chair, we certainly take the point.

3073
04:28:00,980 --> 04:28:05,660
I think the reason for the language is we want to stress the importance of people understanding

3074
04:28:05,660 --> 04:28:10,300
the information sharing and that the obligation rests with them as well, not just with us

3075
04:28:10,300 --> 04:28:12,520
in terms of understanding what they need to do.

3076
04:28:12,740 --> 04:28:18,020
I will say to you that that's our language currently, we don't say no to anyone we do our best

3077
04:28:18,020 --> 04:28:19,080
to encourage everyone.

3078
04:28:19,100 --> 04:28:24,780
If you wish to remove the language of mandatory, that's fine, but we'll make it clear

3079
04:28:24,780 --> 04:28:30,400
in the communication pieces that the onus is also on those that wish to apply to be up to speed

3080
04:28:30,400 --> 04:28:34,320
understand what the steps are. Not just a one-way street.

3081
04:28:39,640 --> 04:28:41,200
Yeah, so for what it's worth

3082
04:28:41,200 --> 04:28:44,900
something for you to consider. I think having the meetings is good. Having people

3083
04:28:44,900 --> 04:28:49,220
have to come to meetings is not great for everybody and a lot of this information can be

3084
04:28:49,220 --> 04:28:52,580
conveyed through some kind of video or something where you're like, here's what you need to know

3085
04:28:52,580 --> 04:28:56,200
about applying and you say, you know, it's mandatory that you go through this thing and learn

3086
04:28:56,200 --> 04:29:00,000
about the process. I'm not necessarily come to a meeting, so for your consideration.

3087
04:29:03,930 --> 04:29:04,350
Thank you.

3088
04:29:04,350 --> 04:29:07,510
Okay, we have the motion up on screen now.

3089
04:29:07,570 --> 04:29:08,850
It's been moved by Councillor Park.

3090
04:29:08,970 --> 04:29:10,090
It's been seconded by Councillor Armstrong.

3091
04:29:10,330 --> 04:29:12,810
I'll draw your attention to Part B,

3092
04:29:13,370 --> 04:29:16,210
which includes a further amendment to advertise for all grants

3093
04:29:16,210 --> 04:29:17,990
as per Councillor Parks comments.

3094
04:29:18,410 --> 04:29:21,730
And I'll also draw your attention to the updated bylaw

3095
04:29:21,730 --> 04:29:23,950
that was distributed earlier this evening

3096
04:29:23,950 --> 04:29:27,070
to replace the bylaw that was in the agenda package.

3097
04:29:29,500 --> 04:29:33,100
I won't call the vote until I get a sense of people ready.

3098
04:29:36,830 --> 04:29:38,210
Okay, let's open the vote.

3099
04:29:50,850 --> 04:29:59,650
closing the boat the motion carries 14 to 0 okay great work committee

3100
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:27,300
This is item 10 revised. There were four names listed on the original agenda package. There are now three. It's Councillor Park, Squire, and Zafeman have put their names forward to sitting in the county city lays on committee. This requires two members of council in one alternate member. Before we go into a comprehensive and complicated voting process, I'll just look to Councillor Parks, Squire, and Zafeman, see if any one of them might be interested in sitting as an alternate.

3101
04:30:27,300 --> 04:30:28,500
Just

3102
04:30:32,630 --> 04:30:39,770
wait just for one moment in your Councilor Park, Squire and Zacon, all interested in

3103
04:30:39,770 --> 04:30:41,610
I think serving a Guide Councilor Zavan?

3104
04:30:45,600 --> 04:30:47,920
Through the chair and I apologize for doing this way.

3105
04:30:48,980 --> 04:30:50,240
I've just more had a question.

3106
04:30:51,240 --> 04:30:56,940
I've been fortunate where my award is situated also through AIMO and through FCM.

3107
04:30:57,460 --> 04:31:00,100
I've had a lot of great connections with county colleagues.

3108
04:31:00,660 --> 04:31:03,180
I'm doing a lot of work with them, connecting with them.

3109
04:31:03,180 --> 04:31:07,640
I know Councilor Park and I had the opportunity to be at the inaugural meeting for the County

3110
04:31:07,640 --> 04:31:12,920
last week with the mayor, and that was great, and I know that earlier tonight, the Deputy

3111
04:31:12,920 --> 04:31:16,320
Mayor of TEMC center Marcel Myers was here, and he was hoping to be here for this item,

3112
04:31:17,260 --> 04:31:24,840
but he thinks that we talk quite a bit, and that's rightly so, and so fortunately he had

3113
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to leave just for time commitments, but what I'm getting at is, I feel as though I'm fortunate

3114
04:31:30,400 --> 04:31:33,160
I've had a lot of opportunity to work with the County, and I would love more opportunity

3115
04:31:33,160 --> 04:31:39,120
to work with the county, but if my colleagues are up to it, I'd be curious just to hear reasons

3116
04:31:39,120 --> 04:31:43,640
why they're interested in serving on this. Just because then if there is, you know, a really

3117
04:31:43,640 --> 04:31:48,240
strong interest and something different than what I'm looking to do, then I might be happy to

3118
04:31:48,240 --> 04:31:55,660
set it as the alternate. Okay, I will invite both Councilor Squire and Park to advocate on behalf

3119
04:31:55,660 --> 04:32:02,300
of themselves. Should they so choose? Sure. Yeah. The reason this appeal to me is it really matches

3120
04:32:02,300 --> 04:32:08,960
the background that I had previously to this when I was council of school board. I was on the school board trustee

3121
04:32:08,960 --> 04:32:14,020
and I was chair for two terms and I had the opportunity through that process to work with 40 other school boards

3122
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of varying sizes and complexity and in that system you have a board such as on the district traffic school board

3123
04:32:20,380 --> 04:32:26,140
with 18,000 students and you have other boards that have maybe 4,000 students. So I'm really used to working

3124
04:32:26,140 --> 04:32:31,660
with organizations of different sizes, different priorities and getting those priorities sort of together

3125
04:32:31,660 --> 04:32:35,240
so that they're matching up and we're able to see what it is we want to work together on.

3126
04:32:35,700 --> 04:32:39,560
So it's something that's in my background and working in before I'm currently on the liaison

3127
04:32:39,560 --> 04:32:42,600
committees with the two school boards and I enjoy that.

3128
04:32:42,700 --> 04:32:47,380
So I think it fits in with with what I've done in the past in terms of my experience and sort

3129
04:32:47,380 --> 04:32:52,720
of building that consensus between maybe what is a large organization and a slightly smaller

3130
04:32:52,720 --> 04:32:56,880
organization in terms of certain aspects and making that work.

3131
04:33:00,230 --> 04:33:00,810
That's a perk.

3132
04:33:01,930 --> 04:33:15,650
Thank you, through my role as Councilor, I've been pretty good at build bridge building, really, and historically I grew up in a real community, so I really get the role urban divide and how the conversations go in melding that relationship.

3133
04:33:16,210 --> 04:33:24,510
So that's something I'm keen to work on whether get appointed as a full-time member or if I'm lucky enough to get the alternate position also.

3134
04:33:25,150 --> 04:33:36,970
I think it's important that we have a strong representation of a stronger relationship with the county as there are neighbors here and in working on council in the new proposal coming forward

3135
04:33:36,970 --> 04:33:38,370
in the next planning meeting.

3136
04:33:38,810 --> 04:33:45,830
I've developed some strong relationships with counselors on the other council and I'd be happy to work with them to continually build that bridge.

3137
04:33:48,170 --> 04:33:49,270
Thank you.

3138
04:33:50,610 --> 04:33:51,390
Councillor Zafan.

3139
04:33:53,110 --> 04:33:59,230
To the chair, I'm very satisfied with the answers that the two Councils have provided and I'll be happy to sit as the alternate.

3140
04:34:00,910 --> 04:34:10,810
Looking for a motion then to support Councillor Park and Squire as the two members will get you a moment when we take a look for that first.

3141
04:34:11,110 --> 04:34:11,750
Councillor Armstrong?

3142
04:34:13,760 --> 04:34:20,520
Well, I'm happy to support the motion when it's, uh, I gather a counselor because I mean

3143
04:34:20,520 --> 04:34:26,960
I miss that counselor at Cassie's with Dron, all the guidance here that are there, so that makes

3144
04:34:26,960 --> 04:34:27,580
a lot easier.

3145
04:34:27,840 --> 04:34:33,780
But it's really great to see your, your worship that we have people like, I remember other

3146
04:34:33,780 --> 04:34:40,100
councils where you would have to drag people into these committees, where you're, uh, this

3147
04:34:40,100 --> 04:34:47,520
Council every time these opportunities come up, there's many applicants and a willingness to

3148
04:34:47,520 --> 04:34:50,700
almost argue as to who should get on there.

3149
04:34:51,580 --> 04:34:54,940
And this is, this is, this is work, this is time commitment.

3150
04:34:55,740 --> 04:35:02,920
So I just want to recognize these Councillors for putting their names forward on this issue and volunteering.

3151
04:35:05,300 --> 04:35:08,960
So we have a motion's been moved and seconded over you, Councillor Resher.

3152
04:35:12,710 --> 04:35:14,050
And the other speakers,

3153
04:35:16,150 --> 04:35:19,710
Councillor Zafan, you've earned the right to speak again, B.R. Guests.

3154
04:35:23,470 --> 04:35:27,810
Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, I'm not. I just want to reiterate that I think we do have two members.

3155
04:35:28,490 --> 04:35:34,610
And myself as the alternate we'll be serving on this, so I think are great, and obviously very genuine reasons for wanting to do this.

3156
04:35:34,810 --> 04:35:43,150
And I think I just want to reiterate that we do have a great relationship with the county, and I think this will only serve to strengthen it with the members that will be serving.

3157
04:35:43,150 --> 04:35:46,870
and I think the more members that we can have with stronger and better relationships with the

3158
04:35:46,870 --> 04:35:51,950
county, I don't only serve us in the larger region, quite a bit better, so very supportive of this.

3159
04:35:53,430 --> 04:35:56,870
Thank you, Councillor. I'm looking forward to working with all of you on this committee.

3160
04:35:57,950 --> 04:36:00,830
We'll look then if you know more speakers, we'll call the question.

3161
04:36:02,410 --> 04:36:03,070
We are voting.

3162
04:36:09,320 --> 04:36:11,920
Closing the vote, the motion carries 14 to 0.

3163
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Item 11, this is a point of an individual for the outstanding

3164
04:36:17,600 --> 04:36:20,900
lender and ambassador awards committee. It requires one representative from Urban League,

3165
04:36:20,980 --> 04:36:27,120
Urban League is brought a name forward. It's before you. I'll look to Councillor Hopkins.

3166
04:36:28,900 --> 04:36:32,360
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd just like to make a comment. I was very pleased to see the

3167
04:36:32,360 --> 04:36:41,000
coming forward. Dan Dorenchenko is a co-chair of the borrowing community organization. In fact,

3168
04:36:41,180 --> 04:36:46,520
he took my position as being the urban league representative, and he also is quite involved

3169
04:36:46,520 --> 04:36:51,820
throughout London. So, just very, just wanted council to be aware. I'm very pleased to see his name

3170
04:36:51,820 --> 04:36:52,800
back for it.

3171
04:36:55,160 --> 04:36:58,240
Thank you. And it's up now. I wonder if you'd be willing to move that.

3172
04:36:59,720 --> 04:37:04,400
If I consciously and second by councilor Hoppins, that's fine. Any further discussion?

3173
04:37:05,260 --> 04:37:05,640
We're voting.

3174
04:37:16,040 --> 04:37:16,840
Councilor Silly.

3175
04:37:21,140 --> 04:37:23,780
Closing the vote, the motion carries 14 to zero.

3176
04:37:24,320 --> 04:37:27,940
And this brings us to item 12. This is the eighth report of the governance working group.

3177
04:37:28,300 --> 04:37:33,400
The chair is not with us at this time. I wonder if I can look to the vice chair councilor Morgan to move this.

3178
04:37:34,320 --> 04:37:36,040
Great. Thank you very much for coming up at a moment.

3179
04:37:36,820 --> 04:37:37,320
Any discussion?

3180
04:37:37,320 --> 04:37:39,280
This is

3181
04:37:53,240 --> 04:37:55,940
really a metaphor of the governance committee as we wait for.

3182
04:37:57,560 --> 04:37:58,520
All right.

3183
04:37:58,660 --> 04:37:59,160
Here we go.

3184
04:37:59,320 --> 04:38:00,620
It's been moved by Councillor Essir.

3185
04:38:01,160 --> 04:38:02,340
It's taken by Councillor Morgan.

3186
04:38:03,040 --> 04:38:03,460
Any discussion?

3187
04:38:04,560 --> 04:38:04,620
No.

3188
04:38:04,740 --> 04:38:05,280
They're being done.

3189
04:38:05,440 --> 04:38:05,920
We're voting.

3190
04:38:15,800 --> 04:38:16,340
Close in the vote.

3191
04:38:16,520 --> 04:38:18,100
The motion carries 14 to 0.

3192
04:38:19,900 --> 04:38:20,020
Okay.

3193
04:38:20,020 --> 04:38:20,340
Colleagues.

3194
04:38:20,540 --> 04:38:22,580
We dealt with item 13 earlier this evening.

3195
04:38:22,860 --> 04:38:24,420
So we're moving then through deferred matters.

3196
04:38:24,520 --> 04:38:25,240
Additional business.

3197
04:38:25,520 --> 04:38:26,660
I don't believe there's any.

3198
04:38:26,820 --> 04:38:28,940
So we're now on the final stretch.

3199
04:38:28,940 --> 04:38:34,280
some confidential stuff to deal with, we have C2, as listed on our agenda, we have the other

3200
04:38:34,280 --> 04:38:39,580
matter that I'll look to Miss Saunders to read out loud, so we can also deal with that

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04:38:39,580 --> 04:38:40,200
well in camera.

3202
04:38:40,620 --> 04:38:40,860
Is it wrong?

3203
04:38:45,150 --> 04:38:52,370
Yes, the other matter is as follows, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like computer just went

3204
04:38:52,370 --> 04:38:52,590
wrong.

3205
04:38:58,880 --> 04:39:07,680
We're pertaining to advice, subject, solicitor, client, privilege as the relates to the

3206
04:39:08,520 --> 04:39:08,960
momentarily,

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04:39:34,350 --> 04:39:37,770
move by Councillor Van Hull, second by Councillor Morgan, any discussion or

3208
04:39:37,770 --> 04:39:38,190
voting.

3209
04:39:50,700 --> 04:39:53,020
Closing the vote, the motion carries 14 to 0.