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Do we have everyone here? Okay. I would
I would I now would like to call the

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February 24th, 2026 Longmont City
Council regular session to order. The

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live stream of this meeting can be
viewed at the city's YouTube channel,

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longpublicdia.org.
org/watch

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or on Comcast channels 8 or 880. Uh, can
we start with a roll call, please?

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» Um, Mayor Hogering,
>> present.

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» Mayor Prom McCoy,
>> present.

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» Council member Christ,
>> present.

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» Council member Colulfer,
>> present.

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» Council member Marcen,
>> here.

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» Council member Popkin,
>> here. And

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» council member Pto.
>> Mayor, you have a quorum. Great. Let's

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stand for the pledge.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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In accordance with the council's rules
of procedure, the rules for public

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comment are as follows. Only Longmont
residents and employees of the city of

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Longmont may speak during first call
public invited to be heard. You must

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provide your address at the signup sheet
before the meeting or I will not call

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your name. Each speaker is limited to
three minutes. Anyone may speak on

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second reading or a public hearing item
and you are asked to add your name to

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the speaker list for the specific item
before the meeting. Anyone may speak

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during final call public invited to be
heard. Well, this one's several pages.

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Okay. Members of the audience shall
refrain from disruptive, vulgar, and

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abusive language, applause, heckling, or
other actions that interfere with

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orderly function of the council. Um, may
I have a um motion to approve the

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February 10th, 2026 regular session
minutes? Okay. The motion has been made

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by um Mayor Prom McCoy. Do I have a
second?

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» Second.
>> Okay. And so that's been seconded by

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Council Member Marcen. Are there any
questions

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or comments? And I can't see Popkin on
mine. Where is he at?

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» Oh, yeah. I see it.
>> Okay. Well, then let's go ahead and

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vote.

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Are you going to have to do a verbal
vote?

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» I'm a yay. Let's do a verbal.
>> Okay. So, all those in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Okay. All those opposed. So, the motion

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carries uh unanimously.
Um now we're on to agenda revisions and

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submissions of documents and motions to
direct the city manager to add agenda

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items to future agendas. Um, do we have
any agenda revisions for tonight,

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Michelle?
>> Yes, mayor. Um, items 9A and 9B had

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revised council communications added at
12:20 today. Um, and then item 12 C is

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going to be removed from tonight's
agenda. Uh, we have a ill staff member,

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so that will be brought back next week.
>> Okay,

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that Okay. And then before I start
calling folks, I do have an item I would

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like to bring forward. Um, this is in
regard to the airport advisory board.

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Um, I've been having some reservations
and I'm even thinking about how I'm

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going to play this out. Um, just
thinking about impacts to transportation

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if we um, we we had previously made a
motion to um, have TAP

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take on the airport advisory board. um
in kind of mulling that over the last

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week or so as well as watching the last
few um airport advisory boards, I uh

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meetings, I just
I just feel like, you know, we're

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looking for an outcome before we really
had a chance to

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to weigh in all the options to really
identify what is the ongoing issue, what

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what would be the best approach. And
something that I've always appreciated

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during my tenure on council is having
very thoughtful council people who

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who we you know before we just jump to
an outcome that we are actually working

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through the process and really defining
what is it that we're trying to solve

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what's the pro the issue that we're
trying to resolve and really looking at

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best approaches. So that being said,
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um you know, so that in an effort to
define what the outcome should be, um I

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would like to make a motion that we as a
city council assume the responsibilities

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of the airport advisory board. Um for
the time being, [laughter]

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um do I have a second?
>> Second.

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» Okay. And so the motion has been made by
me and it has been seconded by Mayor

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Prom. And I'd be happy to speak more to
it if anyone had questions. Go ahead.

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Um, Council Member Marcen,
>> thank you so much, Mayor. I appreciate

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the motion. And I think in the spirit of
what you're trying to do, if I'm

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understanding it correctly, is is take,
you know, some some of the issue off of

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TAP and put it onto us, right, as we try
to navigate what is frankly a difficult

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situation that that that we're in. And
you know, I will speak very briefly

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about the last airport advisory board
meeting um and my um

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frankly how how uh really difficult that
was um for uh to to watch as a as a

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community member and how unfortunate it
was to see a member of that board um

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make the choice that he did to publicly
um mock another public official. That

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was not something that I think is is
within the professional standards of the

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boards that we expect. So, as we
consider the best practice, I think

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» dissolution and moving forward with this
on us, yes, as we navigate next steps

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makes sense. So, I'm going to be
supporting this motion.

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» Okay. Um, yeah. And so, thank you for
bringing that up. Um, you know, and it

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was actually that individual's comments
that brought this to me. You know, one

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of the comments that was made was um
that there's not really a sense of

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direction coming from council to the
airport advisory board. So, that really

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spelled out for me that you know what,
this issue isn't going to be resolved.

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uh we're not going to be able to to meet
the needs of the airport without having

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defined us as a council really
definitive um what we want, what our

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goals and objectives are and how and
have us be in the forefront of looking

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at the master plan and um you know and
just even looking at at what our um code

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says, you know, what are the roles and
responsibilities? Are those what we want

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to continue with? do we need to clarify
and um and change language in there? And

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I think this would really give us the
opportunity for us to delve deeply um as

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a as a group to be able to to discuss
and determine the direction moving

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forward. Um council member Christ and
then between Chris and Koffer Popkin had

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his hand up. So okay, go ahead.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um,

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can you give me a sense of what
practically that will look like? Are we

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going to just become the airport
advisory board on the days that they

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meet? Are we going to just have
discussions as a council? Um,

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» to go forward,
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separate set meeting. So, I I'm
envisioning how we meet as a Longmont

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Housing Authority. We meet on a separate
a separate day, a separate time. Um,

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» and then these would be with with the
public so that they can still come and

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talk.
>> Yes. So it basically just

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advisory board.
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board. It in an effort to to really
delineate what is it that we want, what

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are our goals and objectives and what
what what do we expect from our um

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volunteers? I mean they are volunteers
and I appreciate you know and I have a

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couple of people who are friends of mine
and so it's it it is a hard decision

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» but I'm also looking at what's the best
interest of the whole

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» as well as the airport as an as an
institution itself.

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» Yeah I like the spirit of this and that
I think you know it means we need to

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collaborate more and be be better
leaders with our volunteers and we

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appreciate our volunteers heartily. Um,
so the it usually meets is it the first

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Thursday of the month and so that's
something we would add to the calendar.

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I'm just I'm asking a practical question
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» Not necessarily. I mean we can look at
um maybe we're meeting quarterly to

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start or maybe we're meeting monthly to
start. I you know that's

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» depending on issues public demand. Yes.
Yes.

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» Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» Uhhuh. Of course. Council member Popkin.
Thank you, mayor. Um, I think this is a

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I understand where you're going with
this motion and I too had some

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reservations about kind of the impact
this would have on the transportation

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advisory board, but I did think that the
merits of the of Mayor Prom McCoyy's

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motion uh last week deserved to be
discussed and figure out the optimal

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solution here. So, I appreciated his
motion. I appreciate yours. I

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» I guess where I'm getting a little hung
up on this is just building on council

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member Chris's comments. So we we
wouldn't can you clarify like

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effectively what I'm hearing from you is
we would dissolve the airport advisory

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board and council would just take the
responsibilities of overseeing the

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airport which we already do if I
understand kind of our role because AAB

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advises us
>> and so like we wouldn't be actually like

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serving at concurrently as AAB members
because then we'd be advising ourselves.

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So am I understanding correctly?
>> Yes, we're not advising ourselves.

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[laughter] The so the practical effect
of your motion is we're going to uh

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dissolve the airport advisory board
right now and let council come up with

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the next strategy to provide clearer
direction and structure that would

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support the effective uh operations and
strategy of the airport. Is that

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correct?
>> Absolutely. Yes.

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» Great. Okay. And then I think the only
other question I had for you at this

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moment which is it would is you know
when when do we start having these

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strategy discussions because I think
that will be the conversation that uh

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community members will come and and
start asking us is like hey when are we

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starting to do this? Is it going to be
on the same cadence as AAB or do we want

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to appoint like a smaller task force
from council to focus on this for a bit

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so that it's not maybe taking up all of
council's time as as much and then kind

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of reporting back. Um, do we want to add
this to our retreat agenda? Just a few

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kind of tactical questions to to I would
I like your idea of the retreat agenda

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as an opportunity to discuss the
formatting of what that would look like

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um and just have it be a brief
conversation as we're looking going to

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be discussing um our LEA our roles as
liaison. Anyways,

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um I I envisioned that we would just
meet

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either quarterly or every other month,
preferably on the nights of the airport

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advisory board, but I think that that's
up for this body to to decide and

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determine what what's the best schedule.
Um I it would be pretty much effective

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immediately and you know when our
board meeting would be we can I think we

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can kind of look and determine a
schedule moving forward.

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I hope that answered your question. I'm
trying to

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» No, it really does. I I would I would
encourage this group just so that there

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isn't like a lost in space situation.
>> Yeah. No, no, no. And that's what I was

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now I remember the task force issue that
was the other one. So and then we could

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determine if
>> I would like for us to meet at least the

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first time as a whole body if we decide
as a group that the best way moving

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forward would be to have a subcommittee
of us serving on that. I would be happy

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to entertain that. Um, but I would like
for us as a body to have a fuller

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discussion on what we want to see moving
forward as we step into this role of

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airport advisory board.
>> Thank you. Just add that our retreat is

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about a month away.
>> Yeah, it is about a month away. So,

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» so it's actually not that far off and we
did want to dedicate, you know, 60 to 90

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minutes there to actually hone up a
vision from this group. So, just wanted

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to put that on the table. Thank you for
your motion.

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» Okay.
>> So, mayor, if I can jump in. I think

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technically based on where council's
going

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um we've been talking about a cadence.
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» there there are different issues
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um rates and chart I mean so if you look
at what the airport advisory board's

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supposed to do
>> it's supposed to advise on things like

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rates it's it's delineated within the
the structure of the ordinance creating

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the airport advisory board.
>> Those are items that could just come to

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council directly in a normal meeting.
>> Yes.

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» And then the the other piece is a
conversation of what what it looks like

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to get there logistically.
I think what we're going to have to do

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if council goes in this direction is
we'll have to bring an ordinance that

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dissolves the airport advisory board.
>> Then the council can

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um add an additional meeting if you
wanted to sit a cadence in terms of

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determining what does the future of the
airport advisory board look like. And

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that can include everything from um
composition of the board. Um

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uh the council actually did this a few
years ago when uh they became the

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housing authority board where they said
we want a board that looks like this and

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we want certain types of expertise
>> and other things. So that could be

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something you could consider in terms of
what you want the board to look at. That

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can be another piece and that
conversation could then happen in this

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other meeting that you're talking about.
But in terms of the business items,

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» those don't necessarily have to
>> go through that. We can bring those

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directly to council. So
>> if council moves in this direction, I

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think we're going to need to do a couple
of things.

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» Yes.
>> One, we have an existing motion on the

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table from the previous meeting that I
think you'll have to reconsider. Mhm.

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» Um and then once you go back to the
point before that motion was made, then

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you're going to need to make a motion to
direct staff to bring an ordinance back

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dissolving the airport board.
>> And then I think that sets the course

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for everything that you're talking
about.

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» Okay.
>> Did I miss anything? Eugene,

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» that's it.
>> That's it. And so those so I you know

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depending on the outcome of this this
ordinance you know we will be having to

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resolve the previous motion for direct
not ordinance the um motion

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» I think you'll need to have a motion to
reconsider

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» yes after
>> no before

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» before this okay
>> then that takes you back to the point in

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time
before that

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» this is where that procedural timeline I
had my charts and everything

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» and then you would have to make your
motion to then direct staff to bring an

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ordinance back dissolving the airport
board.

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» Okay. And that would be tonight,
correct?

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» No, we would have to bring something
back to you all.

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» Back to Okay.
>> Correct.

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» Got it.
>> You could make the motion tonight to

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direct staff to bring back an ordinance
to dissolve the

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» Yes.
>> AB, which is what I heard the

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conversation.
>> Yes. Uh what I was having issues or

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struggles with was council assuming the
duties when we have an existing airport

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advisory board ordinance.
>> And so I think the first step is to

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dissolve the AAB
>> and then council could and then council

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could assume those duties once the AAB
no longer existed.

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» Okay. Okay.
>> So you need

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» that's that's right. So then um trying
to think. So let me

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No. Oh, well, hold on. Um, I'm gonna
pass it.

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» Do you want to go ahead and
>> Sure.

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» Okay. So, um, Mayor Prom.

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» Let's see. I'm trying to get it. There
we go. Did it work? Nope.

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So, to keep this clean, I'd like to uh
resend. Is that what we determined would

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be the
>> You need to make a motion to reconsider.

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» We cons reconsider.
>> Okay.

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» My previous motion in regards to the
>> Okay. So, I do have an open motion. So,

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um I could
>> revoke

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» revoke this right now.
>> And your second says yes.

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» Yes. Okay. And my second said yes.
>> And then now go ahead. And so

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the the language needs to be that we
need to I I move that we reconsider

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uh my previous motion from uh two weeks
ago about the airport advisory board

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specific language
would have to be added in there.

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» Okay,
>> that's sufficient motion to reconsider

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the prior
>> Okay, there's a second.

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» Yeah, go ahead. Second.
>> Second. So, council member Marcine has

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seconded that. Okay. So,
let's um are I'm assuming that the names

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in the cues are for the main motion, not
the reconsidering.

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» Can you just clarify?
>> Yes.

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» Yes. Here. Can you put your
And then

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go ahead. Can you restate?
>> Can you re um can you state which motion

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you're reconsidering?
>> So, at our last Was it regular? It was a

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regular
>> two weeks ago.

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» Two weeks ago, we had a um motion
brought forward by Mayor Prom to have

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the airport advisory board be um
combined with TAP, the transportation

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advisory board. So, we are voting now to
reconsider that motion so we could

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» Okay. Revoke it.
>> Okay. Okay. So, let's go ahead and vote.

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Um, Marcine.

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» Okay. And then um
there we go. And that um carries

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unanimously. So now that
um motion has been

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» removed and we are back now. Mayor and
Council, if I could just explain where

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you are. So, now you're
>> at the point in time before you voted on

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McCoy's motion two weeks ago.
>> Okay.

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» So, from what I'm hearing, not to say
this is exactly what you should do.

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Yeah.
>> McCoy could withdraw, have a clean

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slate, and then you can make a motion. I
think where council was going is to

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direct staff to bring back an ordinance
to dissolve the AAB.

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So yeah, we are at the point to bring
back an ordinance to dissolve the AAB

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» right now. McCoyy's motion is still
pending.

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» Is still pending. So he needs
reconsidering it.

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» So we reconsidered. Now you want to now
we have to vote on

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» No, he can withdraw it.
>> Oh, you you can withdraw it now.

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» So you made the motion that you can
>> Would you like to withdraw? So we Yes,

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we
>> I get it. Time travel. That's what you

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got. Now I understand. Here's my Harry
Potter moment. I would I withdraw that

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motion. [laughter]
>> Okay. Thank you.

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Yeah. So, this is where I was so caught
up procedurally of tearing through my

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book and it was like, okay, what's what
comes?

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» So, now you have a blank state.
>> Now, we have a blank slate. So, now I

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would like to um make a motion to direct
staff to um

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» amend the ordinance or devise the or
ordinance that dissolves the airport

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advisory board. Do I need to have that
city council in that ordinance? Do we

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need to have that city council will be
um serving as airport board capacity?

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» Uh if you would like to add that
direction, I think that would be

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helpful.
>> Okay. Yes, I would like to add that.

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Okay. So, I've made the motion. It has
been seconded by Mayor Prom.

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Um now we can go back to the queue.
Council member Koffer. Thank you, mayor.

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Um, just just for clarification, we
would assume responsibilities

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temporarily and then eventually we will
we will learn in the process, determine

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what we want this board to function in
the future.

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» Mhm.
>> And then do we know when we're planning

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to give it back to the public or that's
to be

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» I mean that's really to be determined.
This is this is where my teacher comes

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in and design challenge and STEM
thinking problem solving is we are going

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to be the ones that decide which
direction this is to be going. So that's

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why I didn't put too many too much con
cons you know constraints on this is

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that we would come up
>> in what is the best interest of the

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community the airport itself
>> um sustainability viability

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» with the intent to give it back
>> eventually at some point

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» at some point. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Yes. Okay. Um,
Council Member Christ.

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» Oh, thank you, Mayor. Uh, [sighs]

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I'm just thinking about timing because
March 3rd is a study session. So, we

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would be um having our second vote on
this right before

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our retreat. And I'm wondering if we
maybe could just suspend airport

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advisory board activity during March and
have our retreat where we could more

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openly collaborate on this and have a
full plan before we have an ordinance.

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Otherwise, there'd be a lot of
discussion um about the authority to do

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that.

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Mayor and Council, what I'm thinking is
one, I don't know that I have to go look

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at their bylaws. I don't know how the
agenda is set.

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» Yeah.
>> Um,

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you know, there there is an existing
AAB ordinance. I always say council

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doesn't have a magic wand, but it does
have two readings. So if you want to

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change what's in the code, it takes two
readings.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» No, I don't think we should bypass the
process.

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» And well, and I'm also wondering if we
brought the ordinance through and then

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had our retreat, you know, if we
scheduled it in such a way that we were

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actually having our last vote after we
had some collaboration on it. But I

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think we have a lot we have to iron out
in terms of when would we be meeting and

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does that work with our other board
commitments and also just to get on the

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same page in terms of what we're
expecting with boards which we're

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discussing at the retreat.
>> So I would hate to have a discuss a

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lively discussion there that then
changes our ordinance and we've already

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had our second reading on it. So if we
could schedule it so that the second

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reading comes after the retreat I think
that would be helpful.

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Logistically, are there enough days in
March to do that?

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I don't think so because we have NLC.
We're gone one of the weeks.

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» Yes. So, we have pretty full agenda. So,
if you could

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» if you take this direction, then what we
would do is look at when we can set it

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in place to dissolve it. And it may be
that it naturally happens on that

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cadence anyway.
>> Um I'm trying to think through the

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upcoming agendas. We have some pretty
big topics coming.

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» So it may make sense to do the
introduction after.

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» Yeah.
>> After the retreat.

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» After the retreat. Okay.
>> If that's okay with council.

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» Sure.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. And then um I had to write this

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down. Um, Council Member Popkin had his
hand up. Um, next, so,

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» thank you, Mayor. Um, I I just want to
clarify two things here. So, on the

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timing here that we're discussing and
>> there just we wouldn't we could still

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have this disc regardless of exactly
when the ordinance would come through.

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We could still have this discussion at
retreat in part or in full. Yeah.

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» On kind of vision and direction, we
wouldn't have to wait for that ordinance

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to pass. We can still have have a
productive conversation there. So, I

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just want to clarify that for my
colleagues regardless. And then secondly

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here, building on the conversation that
Council Member Koffer had with with you,

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Mayor, um when we're talking about
structure and giving it back, my

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understanding of your motion, and please
correct me if I'm wrong, is that we

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would be dissolving the airport advisory
board in its current form entirely. We

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would then as council have the
prerogative, as we do in general, to

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create a new board, to create a new
structure altogether, to figure out

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whatever future structure we think makes
sense. Yeah.

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» So just for council member Koffer's
clarity and maybe others in the public

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there there wouldn't inherently be any
give it back. There would be a

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restructuring in some way shape or form
on what uh approach this council and and

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this city think m or what approach this
council thinks makes sense for the

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city's uh future around uh the airport
and management around.

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» Yeah, thank you for that clarification.
I just interpreted it as we're not

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assuming this until the end of time. So
that's

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» it's not a long term. It's not a long
hash. [laughter] It's not a long-term

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exactly. It's that perpetu structure and
direction going forward to then take

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this back off our plates
>> going forward. [clears throat] Is that

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correct?
>> Yes, that is. Okay.

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» Thank you very much.
>> Uh um council member Marcine.

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» Thank you, Mayor. Um, couple of
questions really for staff and I thought

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I saw our airport manager come in, but I
see Jen is here as well. Um,

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operationally on the timeline we're
talking about

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in terms of what because I I think what
how long how many AAB meetings between

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now and when a dissolution ordinance
could be passed. Are we talking about

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two?
>> One,

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» maybe two.
>> One or two.

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» Okay. I
that I I don't love that. um for a lot

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of different reasons. Um
and I, you know, certainly respect the

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time of our volunteers. I think we have
some very real challenges to work out

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there. I I'm curious about staff's
perspective operationally

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on the work that that that board is
looking at over the next two months and

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whether I mean
>> we can manage it.

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» We can Okay. I I'm just thinking about
all sorts of things, but Okay. Um Okay.

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Uh whether whether we whether they're
needed necessarily in that conversation

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over the next two months.
>> Yeah. Really the main issues that tend

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to come forward um are really the
leases.

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» Yeah.
>> Of which ultimately council has to

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approve those leases.
>> I think the work that we have undergoing

438
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:36,319
is the rates and charges study. But
that's just starting. Correct.

439
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:40,079
» Good evening. Jen Newton, uh assistant
city manager for external services. I

440
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:44,880
guess that work is just starting.
There's also uh an evaluation of the

441
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:49,200
voluntary noise abatement program that
we're doing with consultants, but that

442
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:54,319
work wouldn't um come to the airport
advisory board in the ne it that process

443
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:59,359
will take uh 90 days. So it will come
back beyond the time uh outside of the

444
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,960
ordinance if you uh move forward with
this tonight. So what I'm hearing is

445
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:07,119
practically speaking the work that that
ultimately the airport advisory board

446
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,480
would would advise us on is going to
come to us anyway.

447
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,119
That that's kind of the one challenge I
have is do we need additional meetings?

448
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:18,000
Do we need the additional structures?
And that's an US conversation maybe for

449
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:23,680
the retreat of do we have to do that? Um
>> okay I I I think that's

450
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:29,480
» that is my question. I'm still
comfortable with this. Okay. Thank you.

451
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:29,480
» Very good. Council member Prietto.

452
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:36,000
All right. Surprise, surprise. I'm in
opposition of this.

453
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:41,040
» Um,
just a couple things I'm thinking. Um,

454
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:46,319
I don't see [snorts] the point of
dissolving and then reestablishing.

455
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,880
It [clears throat] just seems I just I'm
thinking forward and it just doesn't

456
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:55,040
make sense to me.
Um

457
00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:03,520
also
we rely on our board um volunteers who

458
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:08,559
many are experts in the field. Um I last
time I checked I don't believe any of us

459
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:14,000
are pilots or aviation experts. And so
um as far as I'm aware folks who

460
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:21,119
participate in boards have that
expertise and put that time in to really

461
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:25,760
give that advice. Now granted,
whatever

462
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:32,400
sequence of events have that recently
happened um to cause kind of friction,

463
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:37,839
mistrust, miscommunication,
whatever you guys want to call it. Um I

464
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:43,119
don't feel like dissolving the board is
the answer. Um and so I just I just

465
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:48,400
wanted to point out that I'm I'm
strongly in opposition of this. I feel

466
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:53,200
like there can be other solutions coming
to the table that don't involve just us

467
00:50:51,359 --> 00:51:00,559
dissolving the board and taking the
power. I think as a as a council have um

468
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:06,000
a lot on the agenda coming forward and
and when we have dedicated volunteers,

469
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:10,160
future volunteers too, because I mean
it's not a full board yet.

470
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:16,480
» We haven't let the process run through.
We haven't got our new appointments in.

471
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:22,000
um and really tried to reestablish those
relationships.

472
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:27,520
Um I just I'm I'm not I'm not loving
this motion right now and

473
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:35,240
I think I'm the only one that feels this
way. Um, but I feel like

474
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,240
it's council's

475
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:41,359
responsibility to reestablish those
relationships,

476
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:48,240
working relationships and and and
communication and expectation

477
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:53,200
uh to get the board that we want versus
us just taking that into our own hands.

478
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:58,079
And I might be missing something here. I
had a family emergency. I've been for

479
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,280
the most part on the emails, but I just
I coming from a human aspect, looking at

480
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:07,680
how we've done things historically,
looking really taking into consideration

481
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:15,200
um
the human capital that can serve us in

482
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:20,079
that board. I'm I'm yeah, I'm in
opposition of this today.

483
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,000
» Okay. Um Council Member Marcen, last
time.

484
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:25,200
» Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to take this
to a 10,000 foot level very quickly cuz

485
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:28,640
I know a lot of folks out here in the
audience wanted to talk about the the

486
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,880
why and and for public invited to be
heard and you're all like what is

487
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:34,559
happening? Why why are we talking about
the airport? I I I get it. So I want to

488
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,680
just take this to a 10,000 foot level
and in doing that try to address what I

489
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,599
hope are are some of council member
Prito's totally reasonable concerns. We

490
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:46,960
rely on our volunteers a great deal for
our boards. I think the challenge that

491
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:55,119
we have had um in the last right that we
are kind of continually having um with

492
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:58,240
this one specific conversation is um uh
trying to be very delicate in how I

493
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:04,079
discuss this. I know
>> um is a board that is actively in in my

494
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:09,440
opinion often working against the
direction of council has gone as far as

495
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:15,839
as was published in the times call
recently one individual member um making

496
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:22,400
u unprofessional to say the least
comments about their council liaison and

497
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:26,319
you know we have you know there's uh
some evidence out there of concerns

498
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,000
about open meetings law violations and
other

499
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:34,559
Um, I think the time and to answer
Council Member Prito's question about

500
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:38,800
why dissolve the board, I think a reset,
>> a reset,

501
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:42,640
» a reset in membership, a reset in focus,
and giving us as a council the chance to

502
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:46,319
reestablish this board with clear
direction, clear guidelines, and a clear

503
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:51,760
community focus is the only way to
establish a clean slate moving forward.

504
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:55,599
Um, I don't like this. I really wish
this was not where we were. I will speak

505
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,359
personally that I had problems with the
motion that was brought up two weeks

506
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,800
ago. I got there because of I think the
process elements. I think what has

507
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:08,160
occurred and what occurred specifically
for me speaking for me um in the last

508
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:14,240
AAB meeting at the end of that meeting
was um I was

509
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:18,079
emotional for me because that's not the
expectation that I have of our board

510
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:21,280
members. Um so for me I think the moment
for a clean slate, a reset, a

511
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,160
reestablishment, move forward together
is now. That's why I'm voting for this

512
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,200
motion.
>> Um, thank you for the use of the word

513
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:32,319
reset. I actually had that in my notes
and I overlooked it, but it it it is

514
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:39,200
really it's taking that
physical just a reset. I've seen this

515
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:44,079
ongoing my entire tenure on on council
and it has um happened, you know, long

516
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:49,440
before I was ever even considered
running. Um, so there were several

517
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:54,400
several concerns and I think you know
just the the final straw for me were

518
00:54:52,960 --> 00:55:00,800
were the comments that were made at the
last board meeting and

519
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:08,160
and just
Yeah. And I I think that

520
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:12,319
having them the person speak out on
council they feel that council is not

521
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:16,000
given clear direction or expectation of
what they want. That's where I felt, you

522
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:21,599
know what, we need to bring it back to
us right now and set those those

523
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:28,480
expectations and set them firmly and
clearly so that going forward we can

524
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:32,079
have a fresh slate and um and then we
can we can work to build build

525
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:38,480
relationships with this new council and
just the reset that was Thank you. Um

526
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:42,480
okay, um Popkin, last one and then we're
going to vote. Um go ahead. Thank you,

527
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:46,720
mayor, and and thank you, Council Member
Mars, for the 10,000 foot level kind of

528
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:51,280
uh context for folks who maybe haven't
been following this as religiously as um

529
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,799
some some some folks. Um, there was one
other thing that I just thought might uh

530
00:55:52,640 --> 00:56:00,240
enhance this discussion and and I can't
see who's sitting at the table for

531
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:07,280
staff, but um Harold or Assistant City
Manager Uten, can one of you speak to

532
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:12,240
the air air monitoring system, the AMS
um community engagement process that is

533
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:15,839
is starting to be uh moving forward? And
the reason I just asked this, it's not

534
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:19,280
it's not gerine to the structure of the
motion, but it does speak to the fact

535
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:24,880
that I I do believe that we will be
getting continue to get volunteer and

536
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,880
community input even as we're figuring
out the structure to the advisory board.

537
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:33,119
And I just wanted to maybe clarify that
for the public as to kind of what else

538
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,400
is happening that can help inform our
decision-m. Again, I can't see who's

539
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:41,599
there, so I'll maybe open it up and see
if Harold or Jen, you guys want to just

540
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:44,880
add a little bit of context there. Okay,
go ahead, Jen.

541
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,280
» Good evening, Mayor. Um, councelor
Popkin,

542
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:56,799
we are uh just starting the process to
have AMS do this evaluation of the VNAP,

543
00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:01,920
and that includes looking at a number of
kind of data and metrics, but it also

544
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:06,960
includes having conversations with
pilots and other stakeholders and

545
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:11,599
neighbors. um and we don't yet have that
engagement strategy back from them

546
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:16,640
because we've just gotten underway. And
um I intended to send you an email today

547
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:20,480
to give you some insight to that process
and certainly we'll send it um soon. And

548
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:25,200
we also intend to have a communication
that will be in um the next city council

549
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,520
packet with more information and
hopefully there'll be some um already

550
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:33,920
identified timelines for when those
meetings will happen with the public.

551
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,559
Um, I think that answered all your
questions, but if it didn't, please let

552
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:42,359
me let me know.
>> No, that's stellar.

553
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,359
» Okay, thanks. Let's go ahead and vote.

554
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:00,960
» Oh. Oh, yeah. It was seconded by Mayor
Promp. I was like, no.

555
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:06,079
» What?
You can't throw a monkey ratch on here.

556
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:10,240
Okay.
Okay. And that carries five to two with

557
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,960
uh council members Christrist and
Prietto in opposition. Okay. So, we are

558
00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:19,760
moving on.
Oh. Oh, yes. We've got another. Okay.

559
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:22,559
[laughter] Council member Koffer. I
forgot.

560
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:27,599
» I promise this is super quick. Thanks,
Mayor. Um

561
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Oh, yes. think I can't see my my motion,
but um I'm going to be traveling for

562
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:37,920
work on April 14th. Um this will add uh
a second remote session for me. Um this

563
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:42,880
is a work trip that unfortunately I
cannot schedule around. Um so I'm making

564
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,200
a motion so I can do remote
participation for the April 14th

565
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,440
meeting.
>> Seconded.

566
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:54,240
» Okay. So, um, the motion to, um, approve
remote participation for council member

567
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:59,680
Koffer for April 14th has been made by
Council Member Koffer and seconded by

568
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:02,990
Mayor Prom McCoy. Um, any discussion?
Okay, great. Let's vote. [laughter]

569
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:27,400
Um, oh, yep. On the other screen. Yes.
And the that carries unanimously.

570
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:39,040
Okay. So, we are now on to uh city
manager report.

571
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,880
» No comments. Mayor, council.
>> Okay. Um, special reports and

572
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:48,799
presentations. None. So, we are now at
first call. Public invited to be heard.

573
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:54,319
And we do have 22 names on the deck. So,
um, when I go through, if you find that,

574
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:59,200
you know, when you that you've heard or
that you see, you know, I'm looking at

575
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:04,079
it's pretty much the most of the list,
all if not all on the YMCA. Thank you

576
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:09,280
for coming and being passionate about
it. Let's see all those hands that are

577
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:13,599
here for the um the Y topic. Okay, there
we go. We got to listen. [laughter]

578
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,599
So, um, as you come up and if you hear
individuals that are saying the same

579
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:22,960
thing, you know, rather than just
repeating the same language, you know,

580
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:29,200
if there's, you know, you can choose to
my my topic was already discussed or

581
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:32,880
just kind of minimize a little bit, we'd
greatly appreciate that. Um, but I'm

582
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:39,520
going to go ahead and start by calling
four people up at a time. Uh and then so

583
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:49,599
the first person on my list is um France
Francois Neter and then Mike Ariano is

584
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:54,240
the second Esteband Ryos and Marie
Klene. So if you four can come up to the

585
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:57,799
front.
Uh and then

586
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:06,559
» and you have three minutes and you can
say

587
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:10,880
» my name is Francois Neter and this is
the first time at the council. So yeah,

588
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:15,680
I'm talking about the YMCA. I want to
first just establish my credibility

589
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:21,520
personally and professionally. I've been
a fitness instructor, a yoga uh teacher,

590
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:29,359
movement therapist for almost five
decades. And I've worked all over uh the

591
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:34,240
US, Hawaii, Canada, Mexico, and Europe.
And I was very established in

592
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:40,880
California. I've worked at the most
prestigious spas and clubs and gyms. And

593
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:45,760
in 1999, I moved from Northern
California, where I was very well known,

594
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:51,359
uh, to Boulder and taught at all the
clubs, including the YMCA in Boulder and

595
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:57,520
trained teachers there and instructors
as well. In uh, 2017, I left, went back

596
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:04,240
to California and did all of this work
in San Diego and then came back right

597
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:10,319
before COVID and moved to Longmont.
And it was a very very dark period. Uh

598
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:15,440
to make that period even darker, I got
hit by a car while walking in December

599
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:22,720
of 2022.
Uh before uh in I would say probably in

600
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:29,680
2020, I became a member, not an
instructor, not a trainer of the YMCA in

601
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:35,200
Longmont. And it was a very inclusive
part of my healing not only physically

602
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:42,559
but emotionally and mentally. And I want
to say that I have been to so many clubs

603
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:49,280
and wise all over the world as a
professional and personally but there is

604
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:53,119
nothing like the YMCA in Longmont. And
if there's any way and I'll I'll talk

605
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:58,799
about that how how I have one more
minute. So it is not I know a lot of

606
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:02,880
people talk about it as community. It is
so much more than that. It is a place in

607
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:08,960
this time where we have so much
divisiveness, so much unkindness

608
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:14,000
that there is such caring between the
staff and the members. And there's a

609
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:20,240
reason why so many people who have
disabilities and who are older go there.

610
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:27,520
It's because it's a safe environment not
only to heal the body but the mind and

611
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:33,039
the heart. And today we need places like
the Y. I also volunteer at growing

612
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:39,119
gardens and I see the people here and it
has been a place of safety and grace and

613
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,480
light and we
need that in this world more now than

614
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:48,880
ever. So thank you so much.
>> Great. Thank you. Um, Mike. Oh, I'm

615
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,079
sorry. No applause. [laughter]
>> Order.

616
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:55,200
» Hi, my name is Mike Oriana.
>> Yes.

617
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:59,920
» I appreciate the opportunity to talk in
front of you. Uh, today I want to talk

618
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:06,319
about the Y membership. I want to talk
about the staff and I want to talk about

619
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:12,640
CEO Corker, right? Um, the the the
membership at the Y is a very diverse

620
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:17,280
group of people. It's professionals that
provide services to everybody in this

621
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:22,160
room. There are teachers, there are
medical professionals, there's emergency

622
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:27,119
service personnel, there's there's
business owners, people that you bump

623
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:35,359
into. So that community, which is over
3,000 strong, has been displaced, right?

624
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:41,119
Um when when CEO Corker when he came to
talk to the Y um I'm trying to be

625
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:46,400
diplomatic here. He was less than honest
about what he discussed. He talked with

626
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:52,720
staff members about opening the pool. He
talked about staff members um that he

627
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:56,480
had been communication with you to to
keep the Y open. None of that was true.

628
01:04:54,799 --> 01:05:01,680
Absolutely none of that was true. when
he was called on it by the people in

629
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,240
this room, he was pretty pretty
dismissive and he was pretty angry with

630
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:13,520
everybody. He he left shortly after
that. So, um

631
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:19,039
it's it's frustrating for me. Um the
other thing is I want to talk about the

632
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:24,160
staff, right? Because uh the staff is
exceptional. This is not 18 or 20 year

633
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:29,359
olds at their second job. Um the two
instructors that I work with

634
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:35,280
specifically, they have 25 and 30 years.
CEO Corker, right? When he he talked to

635
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:39,520
these guys, um he let them believe that
they were going to have a job. That

636
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:45,200
wasn't true. They were dismissed and the
most disgraceful passion

637
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:50,400
way possible for everybody in this room.
If you had 25 years or 30 years and you

638
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:55,280
were dismissed like that, it would be
horrifying, right? And nobody let these

639
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:01,119
they they didn't do anything for these
guys. These instructors, by the way,

640
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:06,480
provide livestrong. They take care of
the entire community there. You have a

641
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:12,319
facility that was opened in the 70s that
was closed in two and a half weeks by a

642
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:17,520
CEO that just didn't want to deal with
anything. So, I have a specific request

643
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:25,920
of you. I would like an independent
study done of the financial u gaps and

644
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:29,839
again that's very polite failures of CEO
Corker. I would like to see an

645
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:34,720
independent review of that an
independent review of the facility

646
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:40,240
because again the 3,000 members in your
community, right? They take care of you,

647
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:46,079
they take care of your children, they
take care of everything. Um he has been

648
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:53,039
less than honest. um everything in the
paper. The last thing I'm gonna say is

649
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,000
he makes he hired his wife, he hired his
kid.

650
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:59,359
» Thank you.
>> They make half a million dollars.

651
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:02,359
» Okay. Thank you. Um Estavan, come on
down.

652
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,480
» Good evening, city council members. My
name is Esteean Rayos and I'm speaking

653
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:16,480
tonight not only as a board member of
the growing gardens. Um but as someone

654
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:20,960
who participated in his programs when I
was young um as a kid I remember coming

655
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:25,039
to the farm putting the hands my so in
the soil and harvesting food I had

656
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:30,240
helped grow. That experience changed my
the way I saw food. It wasn't something

657
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:33,599
that I just helped grow. Um it was the
experience that changed the way that I

658
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:37,520
saw food. Um it wasn't something that
just appeared at the grocery store. It

659
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:42,319
was something connected to the land, the
people, and the community. Um, today the

660
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:48,400
same experience is happening every week
at [snorts] the food project farm at the

661
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:53,440
Lashley YMCA site. Um, since 2016, Grand
Gardens has grown and donated over

662
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:58,640
108,000 pounds of fresh produce, about
90,000 uh meals, supporting families

663
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:03,200
directly and partners like the OUR
Center. Uh, at the same time, hundreds

664
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:08,240
of the Timberline students visit the
farm each year. um for hands-on field

665
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:12,559
trips. Uh this farm is not just about
vegetables. It's about uh belonging.

666
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:17,359
It's about health. Uh it's about giving
young people uh the same opportunity I

667
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:22,960
had um to feel connected to their food,
the land, and each other um with the

668
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:27,679
current agreement ending in 2027 um and
the future um uncertainty. I

669
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:32,400
respectfully ask you to consider a path
um forward that allows growing gardens

670
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:36,799
to continue its work um in partnership
with the city of Longmont. I'm here

671
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:41,279
because the program um matters to me,
mattered to me, and I know it matters to

672
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:44,400
the next generation uh too. Um thank you
for your time and thank you for your

673
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:49,120
service.
>> Great. Thank you. Um next person, uh

674
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:55,600
Marie Klene, and then if we could have
Bonnie Prushnook,

675
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:59,920
uh Dean Leman, Dale Lannon, and Tim
Villard. If I said that correct, if I

676
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:06,080
made a mistake, I apologize, but if you
can come forward.

677
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:11,600
Okay. Um, good evening. Um, I'm speaking
mainly on the part of the citizens, uh,

678
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:16,640
the senior citizens of this community. I
realize there are many stakeholders in

679
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:22,319
this. Why seniors are a valuable part of
this community. We shop locally. We dine

680
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:28,000
locally. We volunteer and support many
Longmont agencies in business, notably

681
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:33,600
the symphony.
As was stated at the coffee with

682
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:40,960
council, the uh life of the centennial
pool is limited, perhaps 3 to 5 years.

683
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:46,239
Um knowing that keeping the Y,
refurbishing, getting it back and

684
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:52,159
keeping it in operation is very prudent
and wise so that we don't have another

685
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:57,520
problem in the next 3 to 5 years.
We know that you did not create this

686
01:09:54,239 --> 01:10:02,719
problem. We are lobbying as much as we
can with Mr. Coker and the board. But

687
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:06,640
while you did not create this problem,
we do expect you to be part of the

688
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:10,800
solution.
And we thank you for all of your

689
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:15,199
attention to this. on two other points
that I've heard are being discussed by

690
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:21,679
council regarding the redesign of the
flag with everything else that is being

691
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:27,199
uh discussed and needed and also the
history of the flag we have now. I think

692
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:32,400
that's not necessary at this time. Also,
this idea of charging for the 4th of

693
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:37,040
July, um if your plans are that big that
you need to charge, then I suggest you

694
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:42,880
scale back because that's a ridiculous
idea. Thank you.

695
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:47,520
Thank you. Um, Bonnie. Yes.
>> Um, good evening. I'm here be

696
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:51,040
» And can you restate your name?
>> Uh, Bonnie Prashnak.

697
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:55,360
» Prnak. Okay. Thank you.
>> I'm here because I'm concerned about the

698
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,840
» Can you move the microphone close to
Yes.

699
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:01,760
» I'm concerned about the decisions that
aren't being made by the people in

700
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:12,560
power.
And um this this Y in this city is a

701
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:18,560
very loved and supported why. And um
it's a place where mothers can go with

702
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:24,000
young children to get time to for
themselves. is where uh elderly people

703
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:30,080
feel safe to go and they can sit and
have a cup of coffee and talk with their

704
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:36,159
friends which is which is mentally
stimulating and helpful.

705
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:42,560
Um there are 10,000
YMCA across the country

706
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:49,679
and four of them are in the northern
part of Colorado.

707
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:56,239
uh Boulder, Lafayette, um Johnstown,
and Longmont, but Longmont is the only

708
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:59,760
one that's being closed.
And I think it would be a terrible

709
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:05,679
tragedy
to lose something that's been here since

710
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:14,480
1969
has has uh taught many children to swim

711
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:20,560
that live here has uh
has uh instilled in them

712
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:26,480
great core values. I was impressed by
what the men uh talked about with the

713
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:31,280
gardening. I think this is a wonderful
uh program,

714
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:36,480
but I hope that the council I like the
idea since since you could just take

715
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:43,840
over the airport, maybe you could get a
a group to take over the Y until we get

716
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:48,480
uh better management
because if management is a problem,

717
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:52,239
let's change the management
because

718
01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:57,800
[clears throat] a why is something that
brings people to communities

719
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:08,320
from. And you you people have approved
massive amounts of building

720
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:11,719
and all those people are going to need
to go somewhere.

721
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:19,280
You're building from the rec center all
the way down to county line one.

722
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:25,840
They're not here yet, but they will be
here.

723
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:33,760
And um our Y our comm our citywide has
50,000 square ft

724
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:38,800
and they're able to accommodate large
classes which have been filled on a

725
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:43,840
regular basis
and I have to agree with the other

726
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:48,159
people the staff is phenomenal.
There's nobody that learns everybody's

727
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:52,760
name. [laughter]
>> Thanks. Thank you. Um Dean.

728
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:09,760
» Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um my
name is Dean Leman. I'm at I live at

729
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:13,600
2313 Lake Park Drive in Longmont. Um,
I'd just like to say a couple of words

730
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:19,440
about the why and uh I don't want to
repeat all the people here what they're

731
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:25,199
saying, but u this this has been a
tremendous community effort and um I

732
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:31,679
think everyone knows that it it
shouldn't be lost. That pool should not

733
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:35,199
be lost and um there should be a path
forward.

734
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:39,560
Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh Dale

735
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:54,560
» Dale Lannon 1018 Ponder Circle and um
yeah I'm in support of the Y remaining

736
01:14:50,080 --> 01:15:02,880
um operable. Um I would like to see the
city take over and um not lose the u the

737
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:08,560
comp the uh the strength that the Y
gives [snorts] the community.

738
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:14,880
Um, it allows me to regain my strength.
I feel like I have to try to sideswipe

739
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:19,920
the world into keeping the earth alive.
And I need to be strong. I need to be

740
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:26,719
not put off by a little heavy lifting
or, you know, whatever getting things

741
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:33,520
done or speaking up in council. I need
to bravely go and speak up for the

742
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:40,400
trouble and the places that are at war
and not a little bit. Ukraine has been

743
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:45,840
unbelievably attacked. Europe is
standing strong in their defense and our

744
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:54,400
nation is falling flat on its face and
there's a state of the union which won't

745
01:15:48,000 --> 01:16:01,199
be correctly given tonight. And I want
strong people, a strong community, and a

746
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:09,600
place to do that and to speak with our
with our neighbors. And the why is it

747
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:16,239
and it's a big big strong
um

748
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:21,520
place to heal and and get ideas of what
what works and what doesn't. Uh thank

749
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:27,120
you very much. Have a good evening.
>> Great. Thank you. Um Tim and then I'm

750
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:32,480
going to call the next four people. Um
and I do have an address lions. So um I

751
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:39,199
we would be happy to hear you at the end
of our city council meeting u for final

752
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:45,120
call. Uh so Diane Harlon,
Michael Schmidt, Scott Stewart, and

753
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:48,679
Corey Cash, if you can make your way to
the for forward.

754
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:56,159
What? All right. Uh, good evening, city
council members and mayor. Uh, my name

755
01:16:54,480 --> 01:17:00,800
is Tim Ard and I'm here representing
Growing Gardens. First, I want to begin

756
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:05,360
with gratitude. Growing Gardens has had
a strong and meaningful partnership with

757
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:09,040
both the YMCA and the city of Longmont
for many years. Uh, we're deeply

758
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:14,880
appreciative of your support and the
shared commitment to the well-being of

759
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:19,199
our community. Uh since 2016, Growing
Gardens has operated the Food Project

760
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:23,280
farm at Lashley at the Lashley YMCA
site. And for 10 years, this small but

761
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:27,840
mighty farm has served as both a food
access hub, an outdoor classroom, and a

762
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:32,640
gathering space for community of all
ages and backgrounds. Through our

763
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:37,360
partnership, the YMCA has provided land
access, water, electricity, restrooms,

764
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:41,120
and some financial support for farm
operations.

765
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:44,719
That collaboration has made significant
impact possible.

766
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:48,640
Over the past decade, the farm has grown
and donated more than 100,000 pounds of

767
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:52,400
fresh produce that has been distributed
to Longmont residents directly or

768
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:56,400
through community partners such as the R
Center. This is fresh, nutrient-dense

769
01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:01,199
food grown here right in Longmont for
Longmont residents. But the farm is more

770
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:04,960
than food production. Uh it's an
educational space that serves Timberline

771
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:09,199
PreK through 8 students with bilingual
hands-on nutrition and gardening

772
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:14,400
education. Each class across every grade
receives two field trips each year. Over

773
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:19,120
those 10 years, um we've provided
approximately 300 free field trips

774
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:23,760
serving an average of 450 students
annually. That's thousands of young

775
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:27,520
people that have gone to the farm,
planted seeds, harvested vegetables,

776
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:32,560
tasted fresh food, and learned where
their food comes from. Experiences that

777
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:36,000
shape lifelong health and connection to
the environment. In addition, the farm

778
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:41,280
serves as a gathering place for English
and Spanish speaking community members

779
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:45,679
and farm volunteers, many of whom uh
have been investing in this space and

780
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:49,840
this project for years. Many of our farm
volunteers have found us through their Y

781
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:54,880
memberships. Um other groups not
affiliated with the Y such as Bhula

782
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:58,080
Kumitaria come weekly during the summers
who work on the farm and then prepare

783
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:02,719
meals together using produce grown on
site. The farm builds connection and

784
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:05,840
belonging alongside food security. So,
we're here tonight to respectfully ask

785
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:09,520
city council to consider establishing a
similar agreement uh if possible between

786
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:14,480
the city of Longmont and Growing Gardens
so this work can continue uninterrupted.

787
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:19,280
This farm represents 10 years of trusted
relationships, proven outcomes, and deep

788
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:23,600
community investment. Losing it would
mean losing not only food production,

789
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:27,840
but education, partnerships, and a vital
community space. We believe this work

790
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:31,920
aligns strongly with the city's
priorities around food access, youth

791
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:34,880
development, public health, and climate
resilience. And we would welcome the

792
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,840
opportunity to explore how we can
continue serving Longmont together. Uh

793
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:46,679
so thank you all very much for your
time.

794
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:46,679
» Great. Thank you. Um so Diane,

795
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:57,440
» hi. My name is Diane Harland. I'm a
little nervous here. Um, I found out I

796
01:19:53,520 --> 01:20:02,320
had Parkinson's disease a year ago. I
had a physical therapist, an

797
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:08,800
occupational therapist who both said to
me, "Diane, find a support group." I was

798
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:17,760
so scared.
And so they said, "Check out your YMCA."

799
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:25,040
I did. the only place in Longmont that
has um exercise program. There's a

800
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:31,520
wonderful physical therapist that's
willing to talk to us if we need

801
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:39,120
questions answered or anything. There's
about 30 people who I walked into that

802
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:45,440
room, I knew none of them. Now we all
know each other's names. There's always

803
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:51,840
a smile. And when I leave that place,
not only do I feel great because I just

804
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:57,520
got a good hour of exercise, which is so
important,

805
01:20:53,600 --> 01:21:04,719
um, my confidence just soarses after I
do that class. Um, it's the only place

806
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:13,600
in Longmont that has someplace for
people with Parkinson's to go. So to

807
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:20,719
have that stop would be such a loss to
all of us. We are all valued citizens in

808
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:25,520
Longmont. And I want to say another
thing and then I'll stop. You know

809
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:32,000
something in that group. I've been with
them probably five months, two days a

810
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:38,960
week. You know, never has the word
Parkinson's disease come up. Nobody

811
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:44,880
talks about it. We get in there, we go
to work, we do our aerobics and love

812
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:54,480
every minute of it. We leave saying have
a nice week or have a nice couple days

813
01:21:49,360 --> 01:22:00,000
and it's just a terrific program. So, I
hope that is considered when decisions

814
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:05,159
are made. Thank you.
>> Thank you,

815
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,159
Michael Schmidt.

816
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:14,880
Yeah, my name is
Hope my voice is good enough tonight.

817
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:21,040
Uh, my name is Michael Schmidt.
Um, I live in the Sasquatch House.

818
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:24,040
Do you know where the Sasquatch House
is?

819
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:36,080
» I didn't know I was going to be speaking
tonight. I wrote my name down there.

820
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:39,080
Uh my wife died about four years ago and
um

821
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:51,280
quite coincidentally I found myself
without uh without a a social life

822
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:55,600
and uh my primary care physician
said uh you need [clears throat] to work

823
01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:02,400
out.
my a my A1C was up near the diabetic

824
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:09,440
level
and uh my diet wasn't the greatest

825
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:18,159
and [snorts] uh he said you need to
exercise and change your diet

826
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:26,320
and uh my A1C is way down
right like a low pre-diabetic level

827
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:35,040
and uh I've made a bunch of friends that
I wasn't expecting.

828
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:38,320
And uh I also may be slightly below the
uh

829
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:44,560
uh [snorts]
main age

830
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:53,440
at um which is extraordinary. I only
thought that happened at Swallow Hill.

831
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:58,800
So um I like everyone else. What much
time I got?

832
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:02,679
I do know how to fill the time up.
>> You don't have

833
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:02,679
» um

834
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,679
Well, that's probably enough. Give
somebody else some more time.

835
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:15,600
» There you go.
>> Uh I hope uh

836
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:20,760
I hope we can come to some uh agreement.
Thanks.

837
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:20,760
» Thank you, Scott Stewart.

838
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:29,600
Mayor, members of council, Scott
Stewart, 229 Grant Street. Um,

839
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:34,239
I don't actually go to the Y, so uh,
I'll talk about the airport. Um, I

840
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:37,280
greatly appreciate the conversation
earlier about the attention that's, uh,

841
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:44,239
being given to the airport. I think
it's, uh, long past overdue. Um,

842
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:49,440
please be aware moving forward, there's,
uh, two main organizations, the AOPA and

843
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:54,960
the, uh, CPA, u, Colorado Pilot
Association. Um, these are advocacy

844
01:24:52,880 --> 01:25:01,440
groups. They're not experts. They're
they're advocacy groups. Uh, AOPA sends

845
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:05,600
out information to their um
to their members uh stating things like

846
01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:10,960
uh notice of proposed construction or
alteration and filing and developments

847
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:14,159
inside of 20,000 ft notification area of
the airports with runways. That'd be

848
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:19,040
like more than three and a half miles
from the airport. They're telling their

849
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:24,239
members that uh the city needs to uh
file with the FAA for any um

850
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:28,560
modifications within that range. What
they're doing is they're misleading

851
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:34,800
their group. Um if you read the FAA uh
there's there's more to it if you read

852
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:43,120
the FAA uh grant obligation. Um
at one point the um

853
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:46,639
we ran into a problem with the uh the
leases when the 30 years came up because

854
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:53,600
people were doing this like hanger
number six uh

855
01:25:49,360 --> 01:26:00,880
what do we got 65H. Um this was done in
2021. Uh signed up for a 30-year lease.

856
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:04,800
This is done as uh it was not a mature
lease yet. they wanted to get into the

857
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:10,320
30-year lease. So, they shortcut their
lease and they asked for a 30-year term

858
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:13,199
in order to shorten the the
uh in order to take advantage of the

859
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:17,520
30-year thing because they saw the
opportunity and nobody was paying

860
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:26,000
attention to. That rate was
35 cents 35.7 or 3576

861
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:30,320
per square foot. That was done in 2021.
Um I think council member Chris was

862
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:35,360
questioning some of the numbers. That
was 2021. And there is no 3% increase in

863
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:41,840
what you're signing on to today in what
was done 5 years ago. Um,

864
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:45,600
at that time it was an issue. The
airport manager said, "Hey, we're going

865
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:49,360
we're doing a lease review." It wasn't a
rates and charges study. It was a lease

866
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:53,120
review. That lease review has never
happened or has never become public.

867
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:57,520
Rates and charges study since I'm
running out of time. Rates and charges

868
01:26:54,639 --> 01:27:01,440
study. Um, it should include what the
airport would look like financially if

869
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:06,400
the airport were to operate without
future FAA grants. That should be part

870
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:10,400
of your study. The saturation policy, we
don't need a saturation policy. You just

871
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:16,719
need to for pilots to follow our pattern
policy. Pattern policy is a half mile or

872
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:21,600
3/4 mile turn left wind turn downwind
left turn downwind at that. If you can't

873
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,320
fly in that, it's just like a kid
driving a car. Don't put them on the

874
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,840
interstate if they can't follow the
rules. Thanks.

875
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:36,560
» Thank you. Um Corey, and then as Corey's
making his way up, um Lance Whitaker,

876
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:40,440
Kim McReynolds, Paty, um Men Menor, and
Steve W, uh Whed.

877
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:49,360
» Good evening, council, mayor. I'm here
to uh show support for 12A

878
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:54,639
uh the consideration of a contractor
shop being evaluated as a zoning

879
01:27:52,560 --> 01:28:00,239
requirement. Uh I have several
businesses and recently went through the

880
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:06,239
zoning process for an existing building
uh that I did not modify the outside of

881
01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:10,880
at all. It was a four-month process
literally from the day I started uh with

882
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:15,360
the contact of planning to the day I got
board approval. I've been a commercial

883
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:18,880
property manager upwards of three and a
half million square feet in Boulder

884
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:23,199
County, a significant amount in
Longmont. And if I didn't have that

885
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:29,840
background, I would have walked. I would
have gone to f some other community to

886
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:34,159
do business. So my uh support is
evaluating the requirements of a

887
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:38,006
contractor shop and uh that is not
necessarily a major development

888
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:41,281
application.
[clears throat and cough] Picked quite a

889
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,679
night to come.
>> [laughter]

890
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:47,920
» I didn't know about the airport issue.
Um, just to speak on that for a second.

891
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:53,600
I was president of the airport board
some 20 plus years ago. Um, disappointed

892
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:58,800
in hearing the news um, with couple
businesses. I'm too busy to pay

893
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:01,840
attention to all the issues in the
community. So, I didn't hear anything

894
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:06,719
about the struggles that have been
happening. Um, maybe just to put out

895
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:10,960
there u because of my experience in
aviation uh, business.

896
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:16,080
Feel free to reach out to me at any
time. I know several of you have my

897
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:20,679
contact information. Have a good night.
>> Great. Thank you, Lance Whitaker.

898
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:32,800
» Hello, Mayor and Council. My name is
Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street,

899
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:37,679
Longmont, Colorado. I'd like to give a
special shout out today for Elaine. Keep

900
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:42,880
pushing that iron. You're getting
stronger every day.

901
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:48,719
Um, today is National Trading Card Day.
It is also National Tortilla Chip Day.

902
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:54,480
George Thoroggood and Steve Jobs both
share the same birthday today. And that

903
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:57,679
is the short list for today. Thank you
and have a good day.

904
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:02,000
» Thank you,
Kim

905
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:07,679
Mc Reynolds.
>> Good evening. Um, I'm Kim Mcrenolds. I

906
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:11,679
live at 1372 Whiteall Drive and I would
say I've been in Longmont. My husband

907
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:16,719
and I moved out here to help my sister
take care of our mother and this is the

908
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:21,679
first time after joining the Y that I've
really felt at home in eight years. It

909
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:25,199
takes a while to recreate community. So
I know there's people I've met who've

910
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:29,280
been at the Y for 40 years. Their
children were there. They were there as

911
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:34,320
children. But for those of us who have
also arrived within the last decade,

912
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:39,600
it's been a special place. So, I want to
thank the staff. They're they've been

913
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:44,960
remarkable. It's just the kind of place
that the YMCA of the US would like to

914
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:51,199
highlight because the programming that's
been created there, you really can't

915
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:57,199
just, it doesn't just happen. You create
it intentionally. And I think to be able

916
01:30:53,440 --> 01:31:02,639
to serve seniors so broadly as well as
families and children, um that's truly

917
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:08,400
the mission of the Y. And it's also what
this city needs. And I think I've been

918
01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:12,719
exceptionally disappointed with the YMCA
and having had a history with them where

919
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:17,600
I used to live, it's been very
disappointing to see the leadership. So

920
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:25,440
at this point, what I would want to ask
of you is that you insert yourselves and

921
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:30,480
be active leaders in this process. You
didn't ask for it. this arrived on your

922
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:36,080
doorstep, but that's what it means to be
on city council and to be the mayor. Um,

923
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:41,440
I think the city has the resources to
help sort through the crisis that the Y

924
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:46,159
is in. And I think the public and all
the people who've donated to the Y over

925
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:51,440
the years, they deserve an accounting
for what has happened. They need to

926
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:58,000
understand the true finances of this Y.
it's part of a broader umbrella umbrella

927
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:04,239
organization and I think people feel
um a little duped. They feel like the Y

928
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:09,280
has not been transparent with them. So
we will we know that I don't believe the

929
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:13,920
membership alone will be able to fully
understand what is happening with the

930
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:18,639
property with the services with the
programming.

931
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:23,679
And that said, I would also ask the city
to consider the timing of this work. Um

932
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:29,760
it's hard to hear that you think it
might take $5 million in years to come

933
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:35,600
to a decision about what comes next. If
there are ways to stage the programming

934
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:40,639
and not lose the value of all the people
that are coming here now, I think the

935
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:46,159
community would truly appreciate it and
we would love to hear your ideas along

936
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:49,840
the way or to ask for our input as you
move forward with this process. So,

937
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:54,360
thanks for listening.
>> Thank you. U Paty,

938
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:06,719
» good evening. My name is Paty Meyer. I
live at 1113

939
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:10,880
Signature Circle. Um I
is that okay? Okay. [laughter]

940
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:15,520
I got a late start.
I just wanted to um mention and it has

941
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:22,400
been mentioned before that I've been a
member of a YMCA for over 50 years. not

942
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:27,600
here but in Minneapolis and I taught
classes there and also in Rhode Island

943
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:34,080
in Middletown Rhode Island, Newport,
Rhode Island and um I've been a member

944
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:41,199
of the Y here for 15 years since we
moved here and everywhere the Y is

945
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:46,400
community and it it exudes community
through the people who work there and

946
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:51,360
through all of the members you it is a
smaller group than any of the other the

947
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:56,560
rec center centennial also they're
wonderful places but you feel more of a

948
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:02,159
part of a community when you're at the
YMCA and I just wanted to I know that

949
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:10,320
it's been said many times and so I'll be
very brief but I do want to hope that

950
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:16,000
you can help out to keep that community
together because community is important

951
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:21,440
especially after living through COVID
and having community just completely

952
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:27,360
dispersed. It's something that's
important for us to have a community and

953
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:32,480
the YMCA is definitely that.
>> Thank you.

954
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:40,080
» Thank you. So, Steve and um as he's
making his way over, uh Dan March, Peter

955
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:44,560
Watson, Marilyn Voboos, and Maria Lena
Rico to speak.

956
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:49,440
» Uh my name is Steve Wedell. I live west
of Hover on Princeton. So, it's quite a

957
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:54,560
ways from the Y. Um, I [clears throat]
like Peter Schmidt, Michael Schmidt, did

958
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:58,560
not know I was going to be speaking. So,
I'm here to support all the other

959
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:02,800
members that have asked you to do
whatever you can to preserve this great

960
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:06,679
community resource. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Dan.

961
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:16,480
» Hi, my name is Dan March. Thank you for
allowing me to speak. My wife and I are

962
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:20,719
new residents to Longmont, having
retired here two years ago from out of

963
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:24,080
state. Prior to moving to Longmont, I
was a CEO and executive director of

964
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:27,520
several retirement communities in other
parts of the country. And in that

965
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:32,719
capacity, I discovered the vital
importance of active aging and creating

966
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:38,320
communities where older adults may stay
physically uh active and socially

967
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:42,800
engaged. uh having a convenient wellness
facility where it was easy and enjoyable

968
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:46,320
to exercise and meet others was an
important priority for us in our

969
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:50,639
selection criteria when we decided to
move to Longmont.

970
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:55,440
Um once we retired in Longmont, my wife
and I both ended up having uh back

971
01:35:52,800 --> 01:36:00,239
surgery and the wise facilities, its uh
track and pool and classes were a vital

972
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:04,960
part of our rehab. Thanks in large part
to those services, we're healthy and

973
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:08,480
active and able to engage more fully in
the life, our life here in the city to

974
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:14,880
spend money at restaurants, go out and
shop, remodel the house, and go to the

975
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:19,679
community college. Um, we've explored uh
the uh the offerings of the rec center

976
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:24,960
and the Centennial Pool. We'll probably
uh move our membership there. Uh, but

977
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:30,000
the Y is an intergenerational oasis for
wellness and socialization. Its closure

978
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:36,000
leaves a great void for hundreds of
families and individuals who depend on

979
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:41,760
its services uh for staying healthy
physically and mentally. Uh I strongly

980
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:48,159
encourage you to uh you know look
carefully at the the the the benefits of

981
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,760
that this facility offers. If you've uh
been to the Y, you've seen how you know

982
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:57,520
there's hundreds of people who go to
those classes. so many active older

983
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:02,400
adults who are uh you know being able to
stay healthy physically and mentally

984
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:10,560
because of the uh services of that
facility. Um you know according to the

985
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:14,960
uh uh the uh envision Longmont statement
uh expanding recreational services,

986
01:37:12,639 --> 01:37:19,119
leisure pursuits, supporting healthy and
active lifestyles and offering programs

987
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:24,560
that affirm diversity and cultural
inclusivity. you know, operating this

988
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:28,719
facility uh just seems to fit hand and
glove in that mission statement. So,

989
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:32,880
there are hundreds of families who are
going to be left out in the cold when

990
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,560
the Y closes next week. I know it'll
take time for you to do your due

991
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:40,480
diligence to uh you know, look at the
capital replacement costs and come up

992
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:45,280
with a a budget, you know, looking at
the operations and the income and

993
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:49,119
expenses. Uh but uh I strongly encourage
you to think about finding a way to keep

994
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:53,280
the facility open because it's
consistent with the mission of Longmont.

995
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:59,280
It's consistent with the goals of the
city long term to keep, you know, have a

996
01:37:56,080 --> 01:38:03,239
healthy, active, engaged uh population.
So, thank you very much.

997
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:08,840
» Thank you,
Peter.

998
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:19,679
» Hello, Pet.
Peter Peter Watson uh 731 Kubat Lane. Um

999
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:23,119
thank you for allowing us to speak
tonight. I'm going to be brief um

1000
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:28,960
because there have been so many
wonderful comments made. Um the only a

1001
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:34,880
couple things I can add is that
um nutrition and exercise are the two

1002
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:41,679
most important things as we age. And
it's a wonderful full facility that's

1003
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:47,679
open like 12 hours a day. I also learned
how to swim at a Y and how to play

1004
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:52,239
basketball at a Y and um it's a very
important facility and I encourage you

1005
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:57,920
to do everything you can you and your
staff to uh help us solve this problem

1006
01:38:54,400 --> 01:39:01,639
and keep the Y active. Thank you.
>> Thank you Marilyn

1007
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:11,679
» Marilyn Vobos 10671 Forester Place. Um
I'm just want to say I guess a quick

1008
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:17,920
story. So, I've been a Long Me I got to
Longmont when I in 2006 and I've been a

1009
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:21,920
Y member since 2008. The gym is not my
strength. Um, often every time I I've

1010
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:25,840
gone through a lot of different gyms and
I always find myself back at the Y. Many

1011
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:30,080
of the times that they ask you what are
your goals and I'm like coming to the

1012
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:33,280
gym. That's literally my goal. And the
one thing is that I've always managed to

1013
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:38,000
go back to the Y because it's a great
community that I've started. I've went

1014
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:41,760
through high school here. I was part of
um you know the Longmont Youth Center,

1015
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:46,159
the Longmont City, the youth city
council. I was part of all that and I

1016
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:49,280
always was part of the Longmont YMCA. I
think one of the things that is super

1017
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:53,119
important is to have that place of
community, that place where I went off

1018
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:57,840
to college, I came back, I went back to
a random class, signed up again, and all

1019
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:01,840
the instructors knew my name. Welcome
back. We're happy to see you. We're

1020
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:05,520
happy that you're here. you know, um I
remember my first class that I was able

1021
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:09,199
to go during the day was a silver
sneakers Pilates class and I thought I

1022
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:13,440
was going to do great and I didn't. And
the only reason why I stayed there was

1023
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:17,280
because all my fellow members were doing
great and I was like I need to I need to

1024
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:21,679
finish this. So I guess what I'm getting
at it is a place of community. is a

1025
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:26,880
place where people have gone for rehab,
where the pool is available, where

1026
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:31,360
there's so much um just like support,
not just like in terms of, you know, a

1027
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:35,199
place to work out. I think that's the
difference. It's a place where you go,

1028
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:38,960
where people um tell you that you can do
better, where people push you to be

1029
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:42,800
better. Um so when I heard about this
news, it was it was really devastating.

1030
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:47,440
So I just hope that something can be
done to continue this community. And

1031
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:52,040
yeah, thank you so much.
Uh, thank you Maria Lennena.

1032
01:40:54,800 --> 01:41:00,480
» She left.
>> She left. Okay. So, seeing no one else

1033
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:06,880
on the list, I will now close. Public
invited to be heard. And, um, Oh, yeah.

1034
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:12,320
So, and actually before I call you, um,
Council Member Marcen. So, in 2019, we

1035
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:16,960
had a ballot measure for rec center did
not pass. 2023 we had a ballot

1036
01:41:14,539 --> 01:41:22,455
[laughter] measure for a rec center that
did not pass. Next time something comes

1037
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,455
up, vote for it [laughter]

1038
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:30,080
» and we'll do what we can do. Go ahead.
>> Thank you so much, Mayor. Just quickly,

1039
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:33,679
I I know it's a little bit out of the
the ordinary to to discuss after public

1040
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:37,600
invited to be heard, but I just wanted
to know um and get an update from our

1041
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:41,679
city manager for the folks that are
here. Um, you know, we had a very

1042
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:46,239
productive Mayor Pro Tim McCoy and I
count coffee with council. Over 120

1043
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:50,800
folks showed up, I think, to to share
your heart and I know that um a lot of

1044
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:56,000
folks are hurting. So, Harold, can you
just a question? Can you update the

1045
01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:00,320
community, update us about where things
are at, about how we got where we got? I

1046
01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:04,239
think folks came out tonight hoping to
hear something and um and what can we

1047
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,119
share.
>> Yeah. And what our role is.

1048
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:11,760
» Yeah. And how this landed.
>> How is this? Yeah. City and and how that

1049
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:17,360
Yeah.
>> Um, yeah, I'd be happy to. So the first

1050
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:22,080
and I'd like to start off by saying one,
we definitely I think the council and my

1051
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:25,280
conversations with the council and as
we've talked about it with staff

1052
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:30,719
completely understand where the
community is coming from in this process

1053
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:35,840
and can sympathize um with their
frustration

1054
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:40,400
um um hurt, you know, all the emotions
going through this process.

1055
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:44,960
Um, I think the first point that I need
to make is that the city does not have

1056
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:51,679
control of the YMCA.
Um, and it is a separate organization.

1057
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:56,639
Um, so in terms of the council's
authority over the organization, there's

1058
01:42:54,639 --> 01:43:03,920
very little. For example, I know there
was a request to audit the Y. Um the

1059
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:08,000
city can only audit areas where we have
a contract that gives us the authority

1060
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:12,880
and it's really focused on that specific
area. So um do we have a contract? Yes,

1061
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:17,360
we do. For early child care, we're
limited contractually by what we can do.

1062
01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:23,679
So I think your question is why are we
here today? The Y approached the city of

1063
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:27,840
Longmont about a partnership. However,
um in reviewing that, we did not want to

1064
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:32,639
get into an ongoing contractual
operation with the Y. There was um a

1065
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:36,000
discussion about potentially acquiring
the facility. We said, "Sure, we're

1066
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:39,920
interested. We'll we'll have some
conversations, but the key piece to that

1067
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:43,679
is that we needed to go through our due
diligence process to ensure that it's

1068
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:49,199
financially viable."
During the negotiations, the Y became

1069
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:54,800
anxious based on um the pace that we
were moving through our process and and

1070
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:58,880
really stated that well, do we just need
to put a for sale sign on the open

1071
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:04,960
market? Uh that was a conversation with
Mr. Fzner.

1072
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:09,280
Um also during the conversation, um they
really pointed out that that the the

1073
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:13,760
cost of the location was really based on
the value of the property in terms of

1074
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:18,880
what its commercial value was. So, what
I mean by that is when you look at

1075
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:23,280
property, um, you can value it based on
the assets that are on it or you can

1076
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:27,760
value it based on what it could be if it
was converted to something else. And,

1077
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:33,007
and that's the key piece in this is, um,
converting it to some type of other type

1078
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:36,400
of development.
[sighs] So, based on all of that,

1079
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:40,960
unfortunately, we're here today because
of the information that was sent out to

1080
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:47,679
the staff and members of the Y in this
process. Um you know we have evaluated

1081
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:53,920
the purchase price of the building. Um
we have brought in um architects,

1082
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:58,560
engineers and others to evaluate it. And
in that detailed evaluation we've we've

1083
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:04,159
definitely um highlighted some
significant issues that um are

1084
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:08,239
associated with that property. Um,
specifically, I think we've talked about

1085
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:13,360
the roofing structure over the pool and
some other areas in terms of its

1086
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:19,440
capacity to handle wind and snow loads.
So, so for us, there's safety issues.

1087
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:24,800
Um,
you know, um,

1088
01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:28,159
we also have communicated that if we
were to purchase the building, um, we

1089
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:34,239
were very clear we'd have to close it
down to make those, um, repairs, the

1090
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:38,320
necessary repairs and improvements. And,
um, as indicated, we did say it could

1091
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:42,159
take up to two years. One of the
challenges with doing it incrementally

1092
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:46,800
is if you know there's safety issues,
you really can't open the building. Um,

1093
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:53,040
but more importantly, it adds to the
cost of renovations when you parse it

1094
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:59,520
out. We've unfortunately experienced
that on our own facilities. Um,

1095
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:03,360
and then we've evaluated um, and we're,
you know, I had a another briefing on

1096
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:08,800
refining ongoing and operating
maintenance cost. Um, and so we're

1097
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:12,719
finalizing that as we speak. Once we do
that and and we pull it together, we'll

1098
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:17,920
make a recommendation to the council in
terms of how we see it as staff. You

1099
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:22,000
know, unfortunately being in this
position, I think one of the things um

1100
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:26,159
that is fundamentally my responsibility
is to tell council what you need to

1101
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:33,040
hear, not necessarily what you want to
hear. Um when we're looking at um these

1102
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:38,800
types of situations, the one piece that
is important for me is I have to ensure

1103
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:43,520
that we're not taking on someone else's
problem that we're putting on the back

1104
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:48,080
of the entire community. And so that's
the due diligence that we're going

1105
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:53,679
through because what we don't want to do
is negatively impact our recreation

1106
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:58,719
operations and potentially negatively
impact the general fund as a whole. So

1107
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:03,360
it is a significant issue for us as we
evaluate that. You know, we've also

1108
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:06,719
talked last on on Saturday about the
fact that if the city were to assume the

1109
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:11,760
Y, it would have to be operated in the
same way that we operate our other city

1110
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:16,320
facilities. Um it couldn't necessarily
be operated in the same way just to be

1111
01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:21,520
fully transparent.
At the end of the day, ultimately the

1112
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:24,320
why controls what the facility will cost
and it really depends on their

1113
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:29,040
particular interest and what they're
trying to achieve. If it's about

1114
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:34,639
financial gain and really looking at the
maximum amount you can get for the

1115
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:41,119
commercial value, um that's the wise
decision. It's not the city's decision.

1116
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:44,800
Um, but ultimately they control that. If
they're interested in keeping the

1117
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:49,600
location as a public asset, as stated in
the letter to the members and staff, you

1118
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:53,840
know, they can choose to negotiate based
on the cost of making making the

1119
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:59,520
necessary repairs, but at the end of the
day, the Y controls that.

1120
01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:04,960
» We don't. So, um, that's kind of the
update where we're sitting. We're still

1121
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:10,639
um finalizing those details. Um and and
honestly information still coming out

1122
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:16,960
that we have to track down to determine
are there other issues that are in play.

1123
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:21,119
Um and um so it seems like when we get
to a point where we think we know it,

1124
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:25,440
new information comes out that we have
to track down. So I hope that answers

1125
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:30,320
your question.
>> Thank you

1126
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:35,119
and thank you all for coming out. I
think this is important discussion. Um,

1127
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:39,600
so now we're on to, oh, seeing no one
else, now we've closed public hearing or

1128
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:44,080
I'm sorry, um, public comment and now we
are on to consent agenda and

1129
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:49,840
introduction and reading by title of
first reading ordinances. Can you please

1130
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:55,360
um read the consent agenda to for the
record? Oh, sorry.

1131
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:58,360
» I was going to do the consent agenda
first.

1132
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:09,199
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good.
>> Yes.

1133
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:13,040
» Um, item 9A, resolution R, 202612,
a resolution of the Longmont City

1134
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:16,560
Council approving the tax increment
revenue agreement between the city of

1135
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:23,760
Longmont and the Longmont Urban Renewal
Authority for the Twin Peak Small Urban

1136
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:27,199
Renewal Area. Item 9B, uh, resolution R,
202613,

1137
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:30,400
a resolution of Longmont City Council
approving the tax increment revenue

1138
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:34,880
agreement between the city of Longmont
and Longmont Urban Renewal Authority for

1139
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:39,360
Southeast Longmont Urban Renewal Plan.
>> Okay. Um, hold on, Michelle, I'm sorry.

1140
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:42,400
I'm going to interrupt. Um, can we have
So, we're we're trying to conduct our

1141
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:48,880
meeting. So, if you all can exit
quietly, please, we'd greatly appreciate

1142
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:52,400
it. Um, continue. Item 9 C, resolution
R, 202614,

1143
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:55,840
a resolution of the Longmont City
Council approving an agreement for

1144
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:58,719
economic development services with the
Longmont Economic Development

1145
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:04,239
Partnership.
Item 9D, amend rule 27 of council's

1146
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:09,440
rules procedure for regarding board
interviews. Item 9E, approve the

1147
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:14,400
appointment of Longmont Tourism
Improvement District LTI Director. And

1148
01:50:12,301 --> 01:50:19,360
[snorts] item 9F, approve three capital
improvement program amendments.

1149
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:23,000
» Uhhuh. Thank you. Um, does anyone want
to pull any items?

1150
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:29,360
» Council member Marcine.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to pull uh to

1151
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:36,560
pull A and D.
>> Okay. So, items A and D. Anyone else? I

1152
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:43,360
think that was Okay. So, can I have a
motion to approve the or move forward

1153
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:47,920
the consent agenda minus items A and D?
>> Okay. So, the motion has been made by

1154
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:54,760
Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded by council
member Christ.

1155
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:54,760
Okay. Let's go ahead and vote.

1156
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:05,360
Okay. And that carries unanimously.
Um,

1157
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:10,000
so before going on to ordinances on
second reading,

1158
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:14,760
um, would do we all need a break?
>> Five minutes. Okay, we're going to take

1159
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:14,760
a five minute break.

1160
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,960
Heat. Heat.

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01:52:35,747 --> 01:52:37,767
» [music]

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01:52:42,952 --> 01:52:44,972
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[music]

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01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:55,880
» Oh, down.

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01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:59,239
Heat. Heat. N.

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01:54:34,304 --> 01:54:36,324
» [music]

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01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:48,119
» Heat. Heat. N.

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01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:58,440
I found.

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01:55:20,809 --> 01:55:22,829
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01:55:39,150 --> 01:55:42,360
» [music]
>> Heat. Heat.

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01:55:48,974 --> 01:55:53,639
» [music]
>> Mhm.

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01:55:58,145 --> 01:56:00,165
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01:56:07,315 --> 01:56:09,335
[music]

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01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:17,850
» [music]

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01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:31,159
» Heat. Heat.

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01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:53,719
Heat.

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01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,440
Heat.

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01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,960
Heat. Heat.

1179
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:22,760
Okay. Are we ready to reconvene?

1180
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:29,679
» And Council Member Popkin, I see you.
Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

1181
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:32,560
Is it possible that someone adjusts the
podium camera so I can see the gallery a

1182
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:37,360
little bit better? It's a little
pointing at the ceiling situation.

1183
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:40,320
» Oh, yeah. It's always like that. Can Can
it be moved?

1184
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:43,520
» Thank you. Lawyers to the rescue. Thank
you, Eugene.

1185
01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:48,040
» I don't know if it'll pop back up. Okay.
Nope.

1186
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:48,040
» That's great. Close. Appreciate it.

1187
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:57,840
» Is that helpful?
Okay. So,

1188
01:59:54,639 --> 02:00:02,639
okay. So we are now on ordinances on
second reading and public hearings on

1189
01:59:59,679 --> 02:00:06,599
any matter. Um the first item is
ordinance or O2026-03

1190
02:00:06,639 --> 02:00:12,800
a bill for an ordinance making
additional appropriations for expenses

1191
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:16,880
and liabilities of the city of Longmont
for the fiscal year beginning January

1192
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:23,760
1st, 2026.
Um are there any questions for council?

1193
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:28,719
Okay. Nope. Nope. and is there's no
presentation or staff. Okay. So, I will

1194
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:32,280
now open the public hearing on U
ordinance 2026-03.

1195
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:40,480
Um I see no one on the signup sheet. Is
there anyone who would like to speak to

1196
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:44,199
this matter? Nope. Okay. So, I will
close public hearing

1197
02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:50,880
and um may I have a motion to pass and
adopt ordinance 2026-03?

1198
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:54,880
» So moved.
>> Okay. Okay. So, the motion has been made

1199
02:00:52,320 --> 02:01:00,599
by Council Member Christ and seconded by
Council Member Marcen. Let's go ahead

1200
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,599
and vote.

1201
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:19,199
» Jeopardy song.
>> Okay. So, we're going to do a hand vote.

1202
02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:24,000
All those in favor? I raise your hand.
Okay. and nobody in opposition. So that

1203
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:31,520
carries unanimously.
Uh we are now on

1204
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:35,440
um ordinance 2026-04,
a bill for an ordinance authorizing

1205
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:40,880
authorizing the city of Longmont to
lease the real property known as Vance

1206
02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:46,080
Brand Municipal uh airport hangar parcel
H33,

1207
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:51,760
the premises to Dennis Tracy and Dwayne
Root tenant. Um, are there any questions

1208
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:58,000
from council?
Okay. Um,

1209
02:01:54,320 --> 02:02:03,599
so I Yeah. Um, is there anyone in the
audience that would like to speak? I do

1210
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:07,560
see a name on here. Scott Stewart
and you will have three minutes.

1211
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:14,880
» Mayor, members of council. Scott
Stewart, 229 Grand Street. Um, I brought

1212
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:21,199
this up a little bit earlier and the
public invited to be heard. Um, I think

1213
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:27,360
what we've got here is a um a failure to
update um rates as as we go along. We

1214
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:33,440
were uh
we were told two weeks ago that um

1215
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:38,000
the lease
um the lease template, we kept referring

1216
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:41,679
to it as a lease template, lease
template, lease template. Sounds like

1217
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:48,639
the lease template was autofilled with a
rate that's at least five years old.

1218
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:53,920
um the rate schedule and charges that is
on the city's website actually reflects

1219
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:56,880
that. So this at some point should be
reviewed. I don't know if this stops,

1220
02:02:55,440 --> 02:03:01,520
you know, slows anything down at night
or what have you. And I'm not sure that

1221
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:06,320
it should, but this is the type of
oversight that we need that's not that

1222
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:14,000
has not been happening for the last five
years or so. Um

1223
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:22,400
yeah, I that's that's basically it. It's
it's 2021. It is the same lease rate as

1224
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:25,599
the one you're signing today. Um,
that being said, new construction stuff

1225
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:31,599
and development of the airport, all of
that. That's you guys got a you got a

1226
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:36,159
document for that. They got a they got a
little flyer here at airport land

1227
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:41,440
development stuff says you guys can you
know the city can actually

1228
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:45,280
change terms and do all kinds of
different things as far as in order to

1229
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:51,679
you know encourage development at the
airport. Um you guys got a lot of power.

1230
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:57,599
you're just not utilizing it in in we're
taking shortcuts. And for somebody to

1231
02:03:54,719 --> 02:04:02,000
for for management to hand you a lease
that doesn't have an appropriate rate on

1232
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:06,560
it that hasn't been adjusted, you know,
we're starting from the base every year.

1233
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:11,440
Now, if somebody signed this in 2021, I
pretty much guarantee that that person

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02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:16,880
has got the 3% increase every year. That
3% increase should

1235
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:22,400
maybe I'm crazy but it should apply to
the base number for every year and it

1236
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:27,280
should be adjusted every year. Doesn't
look like it's been done in at least the

1237
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:29,840
last five years. So we got some figuring
to do.

1238
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:34,320
» Thanks.
>> Great. Okay. Is there anyone else who

1239
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:40,000
would like to speak? Okay. So with that
I will now close um public hearing. Um,

1240
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:44,480
may I have a motion to pass and adopt?
And then when we second it, I'll open it

1241
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:48,960
up for final discussion. Um,
>> so moved.

1242
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:53,280
» Okay. So, the um motion to adopt um
ordinance 2026-04 has been made by

1243
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:56,280
council member Christ. Do we have a
second?

1244
02:04:56,719 --> 02:05:03,119
Okay. And council member Kulka seconded
it. Um and

1245
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:09,360
mayor prom.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, Harold, can you uh

1246
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:11,520
uh talk to what uh uh member of the
public was just pointing out there? Mr.

1247
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:17,920
Stewart,
>> I'm going to ask uh Jen and Levi to come

1248
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:22,080
down. I think we went through this
>> uh the the

1249
02:05:19,679 --> 02:05:27,599
» discussion. The last time this was on
first reading

1250
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:32,320
» in terms of the um there were some
questions also about the term and the 30

1251
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:36,960
years and how we were handling that in
terms of an assignment in the new lease.

1252
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:41,280
So Levi, can you jump in on this one?
>> I can jump in on that real quick. Um

1253
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:45,280
kind of the way operate the rules and
regulations at the airport, we have a

1254
02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:49,040
rates and charges set schedule and
that's kind of what we put leases out at

1255
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:52,239
and that's adjusted ever so often. And
if I recall correctly, last time we

1256
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:56,080
actually updated those 2023. I'd have to
check on that to be 100% true, but

1257
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:59,360
that's actually what we're doing
currently with the rates and charges

1258
02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:03,920
study. We'll have all that reassessed
and what we should set that moving

1259
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:11,199
forward to.
Okay. Um that was a little bit confusing

1260
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:17,040
uh because
what uh Mr. Steuart was pointing out was

1261
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:20,000
is that that was the 2021
uh rates

1262
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:25,119
and
>> I know for a fact that we have set them

1263
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:29,440
since 2021. So whatever rate was set was
set at the most current one which should

1264
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:31,679
be the 2023 I think. again. I'd have to
check

1265
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:39,440
» was actually approved.
>> So, should we be holding off until we

1266
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:44,079
get that that information? Because
>> I'm wondering if this is

1267
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:46,960
» uh updated.
>> So, we did we did vet this through the

1268
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:49,360
city attorney's office and we double
checked the rates and charges and it was

1269
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:54,159
all came back.
>> This is the same as 2021.

1270
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:57,920
Um, it's actually the same as the last
time it was approved raising charges,

1271
02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:02,000
which I want to say is 2023, but again,
I'd have to check the

1272
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:06,159
» So, 2023 is the same as 2021.
>> Uh, no, they were increased over that

1273
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:09,159
time span.
>> Okay.

1274
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:18,119
» Okay. Thank you.
So, let's go ahead and vote.

1275
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:56,040
Okay. And so that carries 5 to2 with um
council member Kuffer and council member

1276
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:56,040
McCoy or Mayor Prom McCoy in opposition.

1277
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:04,079
Okay. So we are now on to ordinance
2026-05

1278
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:07,920
a bill for an ordinance authorizing the
consent to the Vance brand municipal

1279
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:16,960
airport lease assignment for hangar
parcel H14C to book family trust. Are

1280
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:22,960
there any questions from council
and is there anything from staff for us?

1281
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:27,520
No. Okay. So, um Okay,
>> mayor.

1282
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:30,239
» Oh, there you are. Didn't show up on my
screen.

1283
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:35,679
» Okay. Go ahead, council member.
>> Thank you, mayor. I the last statement

1284
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:42,079
I'm really confused about whether or not
we have updated the rates cuz it I I'm

1285
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:47,119
so confused and if we're going to vote
on on three more I I want to make sure

1286
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:52,320
there's clarity that that they have been
updated. Um I'm I'm for renewing the

1287
02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:57,199
leases, you know, if if the rates have
been updated because we're already this

1288
02:08:54,480 --> 02:09:01,520
far in the negotiation, but I'm confused
if the rates are updated or not. Can I

1289
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:05,840
» provide it? think a little bit of
clarity on it.

1290
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:11,040
» Um, so as we operate every so many
years, we reassess and update the rates

1291
02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:14,480
and charges. The latest incarnation of
that was actually asking for a third

1292
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:17,520
party to do a true rates and charges
study for us, which we're currently

1293
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:21,520
moving forward with. So that's what's
happening now. So [snorts] in the past,

1294
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:24,480
and again, it happens every few years,
we have an adjustment to the rates and

1295
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:28,880
charges. That was actually one of the
first tasks when I came here as the

1296
02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:35,119
airport manager. Um, so I want to say it
happened late 2002 or early 2003, hence

1297
02:09:32,079 --> 02:09:39,360
when it was officially adopted. Um, and
it was adjusted up at that point. So

1298
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:44,719
there is a set rates and charges
schedule for the airport. So if you're

1299
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:48,880
getting a new lease, we're obliged to go
off of that schedule. Now, if you have

1300
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:53,280
an existing lease yeartoear, the lease
itself says it goes up by the consumer

1301
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:59,040
price index. So it goes up however many%
the consumer price index is for that

1302
02:09:54,960 --> 02:10:02,400
year. I should also clarify that via our
rates and charges document, it actually

1303
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:06,159
says on there, here's the rate that it
will be unless it's already at a higher

1304
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:11,719
rate and then it will continue to be
that. So that's currently what our rates

1305
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:11,719
and charges document says.

1306
02:10:12,639 --> 02:10:18,960
» So across the board, you'll see little
variances in the rates and charges via

1307
02:10:16,719 --> 02:10:22,960
our own rules and regulations on on how
those are set.

1308
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:27,199
» Okay. Um continue.
>> I'm still confused. Clear as mud, but

1309
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:29,760
Yeah, I I'll I'll pass it on to uh
Council Member

1310
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:32,400
» Marzing. Okay, Council Member Mars, go
ahead.

1311
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:35,360
» I I I was actually just going to echo
Council Member Caloffer's question

1312
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:38,880
because Levi, that was a I don't know if
I'm not that bright. I just was a lot of

1313
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:45,679
words that I don't think answered the
question directly was when was the last

1314
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:49,599
time rates were updated and by how much?
>> For for that detailed information, we'd

1315
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:52,480
actually have to go get the ordinance.
And unfortunately, I don't, you know,

1316
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:57,320
have it fair.
>> Yeah. Um, okay.

1317
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:04,960
» Oh, there you are. Yes, Council Member
Christ.

1318
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:12,400
» Thank you, Mayor. [clears throat]
So, I asked a lot of questions of you um

1319
02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:15,280
in last session, um, Levi.
And I think [clears throat] the

1320
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:20,800
conclusion we came to is that each of
the leases that we were looking at had

1321
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:26,960
advanced and um they were being renewed
at a at a higher price but not a higher

1322
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:30,800
rate than they were originally.
>> Yep. And we did double check them all as

1323
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:36,159
before we brought them here last time.
>> And then there was some discussion about

1324
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:42,560
concern about going with a 30-year lease
when we are adjusting rates. Um but

1325
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:50,159
legal counsel advised that that is the
template and we have to be um very

1326
02:11:46,079 --> 02:11:56,800
equitable in our application of leases.
So that is how this got into second

1327
02:11:53,040 --> 02:12:00,239
reading because after much discussion
we decided that we had to go forward

1328
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:04,800
with what was before us because they
were expired. Yep.

1329
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:12,239
» Okay.
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Um, oh, there we

1330
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:16,800
go. Okay, Mayor Prom.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I actually have less

1331
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:22,880
issue with this particular one just here
because it's a selling of the property

1332
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:28,880
and it's already in the uh in in that
process. And so we're just

1333
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:35,119
agreeing to let the property owner sell
their property to another and changing

1334
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:39,599
who's on the title. um than I do with
the other two where I feel that there

1335
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:43,920
are
there's

1336
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:53,119
I know we're waiting on the lease uh and
uh rates uh study but

1337
02:12:48,639 --> 02:12:58,719
uh I am really concerned when uh people
who are just trying to keep a shelter

1338
02:12:54,639 --> 02:13:06,000
over their head in one in some of our um
trailer parks in town pay you know in a

1339
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:13,679
three-month period of time more than
these people pay over an entire

1340
02:13:09,599 --> 02:13:19,280
uh year. And I feel that there's a
disparagy between the halves and the

1341
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:24,800
have nots and the and and I'm concerned
about that. uh and uh you know maybe

1342
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:31,599
that'll
be you know wled out in the rates and

1343
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:35,599
charges study but as it is right now I
feel really uncomfortable but I also

1344
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:40,560
feel that we have some leverage here
that we need to be looking at in the

1345
02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:44,800
future. Um, you know, there's a lot of
folks out here that are, you know, we

1346
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:50,960
look at Boulder
and by the end of the year, they are

1347
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:59,840
they, according to the news today, they
are um, uh, going to require, you know,

1348
02:13:56,400 --> 02:14:06,079
uh, unled gas at their their facility.
It sounds like, uh, and I don't know how

1349
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:11,760
they're doing that, but more power to
them. But I know that uh there are a lot

1350
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:16,719
of community members that are tired of,
you know, 60 and 50 year old planes.

1351
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:24,560
Something that not one of us would
commute regularly uh to work uh with uh

1352
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:31,520
uh but uh that are flying overhead and
that the repairs to change them to, you

1353
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:36,400
know, a unleted gas sort of engine has
not been done. And I think people are

1354
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:42,159
sick of it. I think they're sick of that
sort of stuff and uh that that somebody

1355
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:47,599
always gets a pass. And so then we're
letting them have a 30-year lease when

1356
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:52,079
we should be giving them uh much shorter
leases to encourage that that sort of

1357
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:56,079
capitalist approach to sticking the
carrot, trying to encourage people to do

1358
02:14:53,920 --> 02:15:04,880
things either by the stick or by the
carrot. And uh and I'm concerned that uh

1359
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,040
uh that that that's the thing that is
one of the many things that concerns me

1360
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:12,960
about what's going on at the airport and
it's not a reflection on you. You're

1361
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:18,880
getting direction
uh through Harold through from us. So,

1362
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:24,000
uh, but, uh, it is a it is a deep
concern of mine and that's why I'm I'll

1363
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:27,119
support this one,
>> but I won't be supporting any others in

1364
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:32,520
the future.
>> Thank you. [clears throat] Um, Council

1365
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:32,520
Member Popkin,

1366
02:15:33,199 --> 02:15:39,520
» thank you, mayor, and thank you,
council, for your comments on this. I

1367
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:43,599
there are a few broad points I want to
make here. I think one I want to remind

1368
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:47,599
everyone that we're focused on a very
specific individual hanger lease for

1369
02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:51,840
today's discussion
>> and that many of the policy concerns or

1370
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:56,560
issues raised by my fellow council
members um I actually do want to get

1371
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:59,840
into the merits on but that today is not
the time for that. We are discussing the

1372
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:03,199
specific hanger leases and I would
encourage us to stay focused on that

1373
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:07,840
today so that we can set up productive
conversations as the mayor prom and

1374
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:12,000
mayor helped start kind of over the last
couple weeks on the structure and the

1375
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:15,440
future of airport advisory efforts in
the city and how and the future of

1376
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:18,639
airport management. I would encourage us
to keep that. I I also want to remind us

1377
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:21,599
that we're talking about a fundamentally
different market when we're talking

1378
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:26,800
about hanger leases. We're talking about
a different market compared to housing

1379
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:29,840
and uh Mayor Prom, if we did control uh
mobile home parks and the land there,

1380
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:33,359
I'd say let's definitely have a
conversation about the equity there, but

1381
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:37,599
unfortunately to my knowledge, we really
do not. Um and then lastly, I guess I

1382
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:41,920
have a question for the city attorney
here just to kind of maybe pull this all

1383
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:45,679
together. Uh my understanding is that
our airport manager and assistant city

1384
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:48,639
manager uh Uten have looked at the
leases that these have been reviewed

1385
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:52,000
consistent to our practice and that the
city attorney's office has reviewed this

1386
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:58,880
as well. Are there any reasons to doubt
the cons and how these leases have been

1387
02:16:55,120 --> 02:17:03,280
applied um from your legal review uh for
our purposes of approval tonight?

1388
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:08,080
» Uh thank you council member Popkin
Eugene May city attorney. Uh, mayor and

1389
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:14,800
council, I'm looking at resolution
22-186

1390
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:20,399
approving lease rates for land at
uh.3576

1391
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:27,200
per square foot. That is the rate that's
in the lease.

1392
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:32,639
» I don't think there's any
other reasons why I would doubt the

1393
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:37,760
accuracy of that number. I will say I do
not personally review this lease. Uh but

1394
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:44,160
my attorney works with uh these matters
all the time. Uh

1395
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:48,240
it was a search and
I haven't had the chance to look to see

1396
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:55,519
if there's been a further update, but
the 2022 rate um resolution rate appears

1397
02:17:53,439 --> 02:18:00,240
to be the correct one and that's what's
in the lease

1398
02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:06,080
» and just uh that was um adopted and
signed on January 4th, 2023.

1399
02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:11,760
And so
>> so that was the update that was being

1400
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:16,559
discussed and the number and that rate
study matches the number that is in the

1401
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:19,679
contract
>> and and so that's what we're operating

1402
02:18:18,399 --> 02:18:24,399
off of
>> specifically uh to talk about airport

1403
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:32,559
lease rates.
um it is a different market. And so if

1404
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:40,160
you are leasing land on an airport to a
non aeronautical use, then you actually

1405
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:44,719
use the market rate for the lease. If
you're looking at an aeronautical lease

1406
02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:49,439
rate, then you're not comparing against
lease rates in the community. You're

1407
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:56,399
comparing against lease rates at other
airports. uh and that's within the FAA's

1408
02:18:53,519 --> 02:19:01,760
guidance in terms of grant assurances
and and so that's another piece of the

1409
02:18:59,519 --> 02:19:07,200
conversation. And then you have the
non-discrimination clause that exists

1410
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:13,679
within the FAA grant assurances in terms
of how um you inherently have to treat

1411
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:19,599
everyone at the airport in the same
fashion. And so it's really those grant

1412
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:24,559
assurances combined with the lease rate
that was adopted, but the lease rate

1413
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:30,240
that is in the ordinance matches the
lease rate that is in the contract.

1414
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:33,599
» Okay, great. Thank you. Um,
>> thank you. Thank you, uh, Eugene. I

1415
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:38,080
appreciate that. Um the last point I
just wanted to make was um you know I

1416
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:41,840
really I really think this council needs
to be careful as we start to pick at

1417
02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:46,479
individual
um agreements going forward. If we want

1418
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:50,000
to have a policy conversation we should
absolutely have that but it shouldn't be

1419
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:55,120
over individual things. That's how we
make people make people prospective

1420
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:57,600
businesses and current businesses doubt
like how we are handling this whether

1421
02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:01,280
we're
>> public trust as well.

1422
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:05,439
» Yeah. Exactly. and and so I think we
want to be careful as we go forward

1423
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:09,359
about when we have policy conversations
versus when we're approving things that

1424
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:12,560
are already in our policy and and moving
things forward. So I can't tell if other

1425
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:15,280
people at the mic otherwise I'd call the
question.

1426
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:20,080
» No. Um you know what I still have to do
public hearing. So um I'm going to go

1427
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:22,880
ahead and open up the Oh, never mind. We
have one more question. Go ahead council

1428
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:26,960
member.
>> Very quickly. Thanks, Mayor. Um, I the

1429
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:33,520
the reason I voted no for the first one
is because I was unclear if the if the

1430
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:38,240
rate on the lease was correct to what is
in our ordinances. But now that it's

1431
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:42,880
clear, I'm okay moving forward. But if
if it if there was a discrepancy with

1432
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:47,520
what is in our ordinance versus what is
on the lease, then I had problems with

1433
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:51,040
that. But since we cleared that up, I'm
good to go.

1434
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:55,840
» Okay, great. Thank you. Um, I would like
to now open the public hearing for

1435
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:59,600
ordinance 2026-05.
Uh, there is no one on the signup sheet,

1436
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:03,080
but is there anyone in the audience who
would like to speak?

1437
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:09,880
» Okay, come on down.

1438
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:20,640
Mayor, members, council Scott, 229 Grand
Street. Um, we were told two weeks ago

1439
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:25,680
that lease rates adjust with the CPI
annually.

1440
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:30,720
Have we not had a adjustment in the CPI
for the leases in the last what is it?

1441
02:21:28,560 --> 02:21:37,439
Three years
that it's just confusing. We're starting

1442
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:42,080
at a point that's three years old.
Have we not increased any of the lease

1443
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:47,439
rates? We've got a We've got an airport
that's struggling for money that asked

1444
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:50,800
this council for 50% discount to the
administrative transfer fee. That's

1445
02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:55,359
money that should be going to the
general fund. We need money in the

1446
02:21:52,399 --> 02:22:00,000
general fund. the airports receiving a
discount for services provided by

1447
02:21:57,439 --> 02:22:07,160
taxpayers
and we're not doing increases

1448
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:07,160
as we're supposed to within the

1449
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:16,160
the airport has great rules and
regulations and policies and stuff.

1450
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:19,920
Somebody got to sit down and read them.
I've read them. I'll read them again.

1451
02:22:18,560 --> 02:22:23,280
I'll keep reading them. Anybody wants to
have a conversation and correct me,

1452
02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:26,160
please do.
We're not doing what we said we're

1453
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:31,680
doing. Two weeks ago, we were told to
adjust with the CPI.

1454
02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:35,280
3% was the number that was given.
The rate that you're getting, I and I

1455
02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:39,840
don't I think you pass this to Council
Member Popkins point earlier, this

1456
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:44,479
should not stop this this thing. Approve
it, get it going, but understand you got

1457
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:49,760
a systemic problem with what's going on
at the airport and has been going on at

1458
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:54,880
the airport. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.
Anyone else wishing to speak? Okay. So,

1459
02:22:52,640 --> 02:23:01,120
seeing no one else, um I will go ahead
and close the public hearing and can I

1460
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:06,960
have a motion to uh pass and adopt
ordinance 2026-05?

1461
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:10,720
Um so, council, the motion has been made
by council member Kuffer. Do I have a

1462
02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:12,880
second?
>> Second.

1463
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:17,880
» Okay. And council member Christ has
seconded it. Let's go ahead and vote.

1464
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:31,439
Okay. And that carries unanimously. And
we are now on to um item D, ordinance

1465
02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:35,359
2026-06,
a bill for an ordinance authorizing the

1466
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:42,240
city of Longmont to lease the real
property known as Vance Brand Municipal

1467
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:48,479
Airport Hangar Parcel H55, the premises
to Lyall Properties LLC tenant. Um, are

1468
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:51,920
there any questions from council?
>> Okay, council member Marcy.

1469
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:56,560
» Thank you, Mayor. Just very quickly,
question for staff generally. How much

1470
02:23:53,760 --> 02:24:02,800
has CPI gone up? Like, if we're basing
if we're basing a lease rate in 2022,

1471
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:06,319
and it's January of 2026, theoretically,
what would that adjustment have been? My

1472
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:11,120
quick Google search gave me a number
that is different than 3%. So, I'm

1473
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:15,760
curious about the staff's Oh, my time's
expired. Yeah,

1474
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:18,399
» appreciate that. Thank you.
Um,

1475
02:24:17,359 --> 02:24:21,520
» yeah.
>> So, a couple of things. So, I think

1476
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:23,760
we're we're mixing a couple of So,
there's two pieces to this.

1477
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:26,319
» Yeah.
>> Um,

1478
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:32,000
» help me understand.
>> I'm I'm reading the lease right now.

1479
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:36,960
lease rate by adding an inflationary
adjustment which shall be equal to the

1480
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:42,080
inflationary increases defined by the
most current consumer's price index of

1481
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:48,240
all consumers for the Denver area liquid
metropolitan area. So, so that's a

1482
02:24:45,359 --> 02:24:53,200
number that needs to be in there on the
annual increase, but the base rate

1483
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:59,040
starts at the number that's adopted by
council in the policy and then within

1484
02:24:56,080 --> 02:25:02,960
the lease it create it increases the
lease itself increases by the CPI index,

1485
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:07,200
not the base rate.
>> Okay. And we are doing that within our

1486
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:10,000
leases. So, theoretically like that
number based on my quick Google and

1487
02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:14,640
correct me if I'm wrong would be like
11%ish.

1488
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:17,840
is that on those
>> how much CPI has increased you mean

1489
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:21,280
» between the time that that rate was
established and where we are

1490
02:25:19,359 --> 02:25:25,280
» um I I couldn't say exactly off the top
of my head but approximately if I recall

1491
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:27,680
» okay if it's if that doesn't sound crazy
then I'm I'm I'm comfortable okay thank

1492
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:32,720
you
>> so to to the point when you look at the

1493
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:38,319
standard rates and charges
>> um

1494
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:43,600
so existing lease improvements point or
current lease rate whichever is more.

1495
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:46,960
That's where it catches it. So, the
current lease can be more than the base

1496
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:52,880
rate
>> because the current leases increase on

1497
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:56,080
that piece and that's the nuance in in
the details in terms of where you start.

1498
02:25:54,800 --> 02:26:00,560
» Great. That's helpful. Thank you so
much.

1499
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:07,120
» Great.
Anyone else? Okay. So, um now I would

1500
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:10,640
like to open the public hearing for
ordinance 2026-07.

1501
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:15,040
Is there anyone? Oh, we already did
public hearing, right, on this one? No,

1502
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:18,800
we did not. It's all these hanger leases
that's all meshing together. Um Okay. Is

1503
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:25,359
there anyone in the audience who would
like to speak to this matter?

1504
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:30,160
» Thank you, Scott. [laughter]
Okay. Um so, seeing no no one else

1505
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:35,520
coming forward, I now close public
hearing. May I have a motion to pass and

1506
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:38,560
adopt ordinance 2026-06?
Okay. So, the motion has been made by

1507
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:43,280
council member Koffer. Do I have a
second? Seconded by council member

1508
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:47,040
Christ. Let's go ahead and vote.
>> Oh. Oh, I'm sorry.

1509
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:51,439
» Oh, I didn't see you. There we go. Go
ahead. Um, before we vote, go ahead,

1510
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:57,120
Mayor Prom.
>> Thank you, Mayor. You know, I really

1511
02:26:54,640 --> 02:27:03,600
don't want to harm anybody.
My votes are more of a loyal opposition

1512
02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:09,600
sort of approach to letting the the
hangar owners know that they need to be

1513
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:13,920
aware that that there's going to be some
changes here and uh and that they

1514
02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:21,200
shouldn't have a unanimous vote every
time they uh we come up here with a

1515
02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:27,760
uh with an ordinance. It makes me
concerned that we do have other uh

1516
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:32,319
members of the public that feel, you
know, distinctly

1517
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:39,200
uh different about this. that my vote is
not intended to make uh uh to harm uh

1518
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:47,200
it's intended to send the signal that we
are in in a a period of change and uh in

1519
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:52,880
in a situation here where things have to
get better and uh and there's going to

1520
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:57,680
have to be an anticipation of change uh
there. So, [clears throat] it's it's not

1521
02:27:54,160 --> 02:28:02,080
intended to make to to go against uh you
know, our policy so much as to send that

1522
02:27:59,840 --> 02:28:09,600
message that it wasn't unanimous. It's
not always going to be unanimous and and

1523
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:14,720
uh and that uh we're if members are are
agreeing to this, it's because uh you

1524
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:19,840
know of the contractual side of things.
It's not that they necessarily

1525
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:25,760
um agree
uh with uh what's going on or and and I

1526
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:31,200
think there's many members here on the
council that would like to see some sort

1527
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:36,399
of uh uh change of how we how we do
things because you know there's an

1528
02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:40,479
equity issue and things like that. So uh
thank you and and Levi thank you for

1529
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:46,880
trying to answer our questions to the
best of your ability.

1530
02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:49,840
» Okay. Um, Council Member Popkin.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'll be brief. Um,

1531
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:53,520
Mayor Brom, um, with all due respect,
and you know, I have the utmost respect

1532
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:57,600
for you, sir. Um, I I do want to just
note that like if every single person

1533
02:28:55,120 --> 02:29:01,920
here on council took that kind of
principled loyal opposition stance, then

1534
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:06,319
we would be unfair to the people who are
following our current laws and policies

1535
02:29:04,319 --> 02:29:08,720
and procedures. And so while I
understand the willingness to try to

1536
02:29:07,600 --> 02:29:12,160
make a point with a vote, I would
strongly discourage this group from

1537
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:16,880
getting the habit of that because it
does then create these problems where

1538
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:20,880
multiple people could start to kind of
vote on that principle when all the

1539
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:24,720
people who are when when the folks who
are applying for these leases or coming

1540
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:28,319
to renew are just following our rules.
And if they are truly following our

1541
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:32,479
rules, we shouldn't be penalizing anyone
for following our current policy. when

1542
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:36,399
if or when it sounds like it's a
question of when we decide to update

1543
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:39,760
that. I I fully encourage this group to
have a very spirited conversation and a

1544
02:29:38,319 --> 02:29:42,319
very intentional conversation about what
we want the future to look like for

1545
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:48,080
this. But I really really would
discourage this group from making a

1546
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:53,600
habit out of um you know principled
votes on a broader policy issue than the

1547
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:57,880
question uh than the topic in question.
>> Okay, let's go ahead and vote.

1548
02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:12,560
Okay. And so that carries 5 to2 with
council me council member Marcine and

1549
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:19,520
Mayor Prom McCoy in opposition.
So we are now on to item E.

1550
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:22,800
» I think that's us. So, um, ordinance
2026-07,

1551
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:26,640
a bill for an ordinance conditionally
approving the vacation of a drainage

1552
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:30,160
easement located within the boundaries
of the fairground marketplace

1553
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:38,040
subdivision plat.
Um, do we have a presentation or any

1554
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:38,040
update from staff?

1555
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:45,600
» No. Okay. Um, do we have any questions
from council?

1556
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:49,439
Okay. So, I wouldn't Oh, wait. I'm going
to check out our Zoom person. And did I

1557
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:53,920
lose
Popkin?

1558
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:59,600
» Nope. Okay. No, I Oh, there he is on my
on my screen. Trying to Now I have this

1559
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:04,960
weird thing popped up. Oh my god. Okay,
I am having issues on my my computer. I

1560
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:08,800
have too many tabs open. See, look at
what happened.

1561
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:13,280
» Close that. Okay, there we go. But then
I can't see this. God dang it. Okay,

1562
02:31:12,509 --> 02:31:19,920
[clears throat]
no that. Okay. So, okay. I just wanted

1563
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:24,960
to check to see if Popkin had his hand
up. He clearly does not. So, Council

1564
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:30,760
Member Chris, I'm just having all these
windows keep popping up on my screen.

1565
02:31:27,439 --> 02:31:30,760
» Oh my god.

1566
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:33,520
» Turn on.
>> Yeah.

1567
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:38,000
» Thank you, Mayor.
>> It's just a comment and this um item

1568
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:43,040
came before the water board and they did
not have any problems with it either.

1569
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:47,600
So, so that's just to inform that the
water board approves as well.

1570
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:53,520
» Okay.
>> Very good. Thank you. And um

1571
02:31:51,359 --> 02:31:56,479
public hearing. I would now like to open
public hearing. Is there anyone in the

1572
02:31:55,040 --> 02:32:03,120
audience who wishes to speak on this
matter? Okay. Seeing no one, um I will

1573
02:32:00,560 --> 02:32:07,600
go ahead and close the public hearing.
And may I have a motion to approve

1574
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:10,560
ordinance 2026-07?
>> Okay. Second.

1575
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:14,399
» Okay. So, the motion has been made by
Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded by Council

1576
02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:17,399
Member Christ. Uh, let's go ahead and
vote.

1577
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:30,479
» Okay, so that carries unanimously. We
are now on to um items removed from

1578
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:35,280
consent agenda. And I believe we had
item A

1579
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:39,080
and that was made by Council Member
Marcen. Is that correct?

1580
02:32:41,359 --> 02:32:48,640
Yeah. Items removed.
>> Oh, nope. You're fine. Resolution

1581
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:55,680
2026-12.
>> Okay. Go ahead and put on your mic.

1582
02:32:53,520 --> 02:33:02,399
» Thank you so much, Mayor. Um, and it
looks like we have staff here uh to walk

1583
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:05,280
through a presentation. So, I I mayor I
mean Laura's here. Do you want to do

1584
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:08,800
that? Do you have a presentation, Laura,
or do you have Amazing. So, do we want

1585
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:13,359
to walk through that first and then I
can share some thoughts and questions on

1586
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:18,980
the back end? Would that be because
maybe I'll answer it. Awesome.

1587
02:33:16,961 --> 02:33:18,980
[snorts]

1588
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:48,560
Good evening, mayor and members of city
and council. I'm Laura Moody, um

1589
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:54,080
redevelopment director and the executive
director of Longmont Urban Renewal

1590
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:58,640
Authority. I will be presenting on two
intergovernmental agreements. Actually,

1591
02:33:56,080 --> 02:34:03,040
one one was pulled, one stayed on
consent um between the city of Longmont

1592
02:34:01,359 --> 02:34:07,600
and the Longmont Urban Renewal
Authority.

1593
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:15,600
So, we'll start with the idea of tax
increment financing um tiff. And so tax

1594
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:22,000
increment financing is the added taxable
value of the improvements that of the

1595
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:27,920
development that that is created by this
new private investment. It is generated

1596
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:33,280
from the existing mill levies imposed by
these taxing entities. It's established

1597
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:40,240
through negotiations with the taxing
entities. It has a maximum of 25 year

1598
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:46,479
collection period. And then what is it
not? It is not a new tax and it is does

1599
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:52,880
not increase tax rates on properties.
>> Hey Laura, let me jump in real quick. at

1600
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:58,640
its base, I think it is not money that
we're currently collecting

1601
02:34:55,840 --> 02:35:02,960
uh from the property. And so I think
that's the big piece. It's a lot of

1602
02:35:00,960 --> 02:35:09,760
times you will hear us talk about a but
for it really is but for the project,

1603
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:16,479
you don't have the money. And so if the
project doesn't go forward,

1604
02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:21,040
» then you're generating no tax revenue.
And I will I will get to that in just a

1605
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:26,960
minute where we we look at the existing
um property tax on the existing property

1606
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:31,600
and then what that will impact uh moving
forward. So tax increment financing,

1607
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:38,160
you'll hear the term base and you'll
hear the term increment. And how that

1608
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:42,240
works is the base is the assessed value
of the property without the property

1609
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:49,520
improvements.
And [snorts] the increment is the amount

1610
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:54,960
of value increase over that base that
increases due to the property

1611
02:35:51,600 --> 02:36:00,800
investment. And so the money in that
increment is what is invested back into

1612
02:35:57,439 --> 02:36:06,800
the property and the money from the base
remains with the taxing entities.

1613
02:36:04,399 --> 02:36:11,920
So some key impacts
key impact points that I do want to you

1614
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:17,680
to have three takeaways before we go
into the presentation. One is the

1615
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:25,439
property taxes generated by the new
development is reinvestment reinvested

1616
02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:30,720
in this plan area. The second is for the
Hover and Nelson project. This

1617
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:37,920
reinvestment makes the project possible.
Without it, it would not happen. And

1618
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:42,800
then um the second and Martin project
the that that money is then reinvested

1619
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:49,920
in the southeast Longmont urban renewal
plan area and can further other

1620
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:57,200
developments within that plan area. So
touching base on the Twin Peaks Mall um

1621
02:36:53,200 --> 02:37:02,800
plan area for TIFF area 2. This is um
just with a with a map we are at 800

1622
02:37:00,399 --> 02:37:09,600
South Hover Street. So, just a little
bit of um table setting. This is the

1623
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:16,399
former Walmart site. The Walmart closed
in 2011. The building was demolished in

1624
02:37:12,880 --> 02:37:21,760
2016 and it's been vacant ever since.
So, um I have gotten several questions.

1625
02:37:19,439 --> 02:37:27,280
So, this intergovernmental agreement
that we're discussing tonight is between

1626
02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:33,439
the city of Longmont and the Longmont
Urban Renewal Authority. The request is

1627
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:40,319
for 100% of the city's portion of the
tiff for a period of 25 years and the

1628
02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:46,080
city then retains for that 25-year
period the property attacks associated

1629
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:53,680
with the base. Now you're also aware of
a of a redevelopment agreement that has

1630
02:37:49,600 --> 02:38:01,200
already been approved um between Lura
and Hines Longmont 800 LLC. So this is a

1631
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:07,280
reimbursement agreement of up to 600,000
per year for up to 15 million over the

1632
02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:14,240
25-year period. So [snorts] only the
tiff generated is reimbursed. If it's

1633
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:21,200
less, less is reimbursed.
And then if more than 600,000 per year

1634
02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:26,319
is generated on the property, lura then
can keep that excess and lur the lura

1635
02:38:24,319 --> 02:38:32,160
board then decides how to spend that
money. So those are the the differences

1636
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:36,880
in the agreements. So just some more
information about the 800 South Hover

1637
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:43,359
site. There have [snorts] been extensive
calls for service particularly in the f

1638
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:51,200
in the last five years. 375 including
trespassing sus suspicious situations,

1639
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:56,640
um extra patrols, wellness checks, etc.
Um and this many people are familiar

1640
02:38:54,000 --> 02:39:01,359
with the car meetup that resulted in the
death of a teenager. Mhm.

1641
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:07,280
» So, I won't go into the 11 conditions of
blight, but you will see that um there

1642
02:39:04,800 --> 02:39:13,920
are 11 conditions and you can identify
them on the site. Um the map here that

1643
02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:21,200
outlines where the different conditions
are and what conditions are found on the

1644
02:39:16,960 --> 02:39:27,520
site. So the site is part of our future
land use map and it is identified as a

1645
02:39:24,880 --> 02:39:34,240
regional center in the future land use
map within Envision Longmont. It is

1646
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:39,920
identified in an area of change and what
this means is that it is identified as

1647
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:42,920
an area for potential infill or
redevelopment.

1648
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:52,080
So what does the regional center
designation mean? It means that um uses

1649
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:58,200
can be large format retail, restaurant
entertainment or highdensity apartment

1650
02:39:54,880 --> 02:39:58,200
and condominiums.

1651
02:39:58,240 --> 02:40:06,000
There are existing site challenges which
make it extremely challenging for retail

1652
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:11,760
and commercial development. First and
foremost is the successful development

1653
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:17,040
at Village at the Peaks um very close by
where we do not want to cannibalize the

1654
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:21,840
that successful commercial development
within the site. There are multiple

1655
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:28,399
ownerships. There is a reciprocal
parking easement across uh the property

1656
02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:34,800
that requires consent for parking. There
is limited access off Nelson and then

1657
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:41,520
there is also awkward access off Bent.
So when there are access issues like

1658
02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:46,880
this um it is not appealing to retail or
commercial development. So what project

1659
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:54,640
is being discussed? There is a
development project of 256

1660
02:40:49,920 --> 02:41:02,080
units of a retail um wrap that is an
unproven product here in Longmont. Um

1661
02:40:58,479 --> 02:41:07,760
there is a community benefit of the
elimination of the site issues on the on

1662
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:13,120
the demolished Walmart. There are
transportation benefits. This site is on

1663
02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:19,760
the bus rapid transit line where you
would have individuals who could take um

1664
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:26,080
bus rapid transit and live and work
within Longmont. The developer is also

1665
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:33,120
proposing to satisfy the inclusionary
housing requirement by one and a half

1666
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:40,240
times by contributing 450,000 to satisfy
this requirement. And finally, um we

1667
02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:45,120
heard this morning um at the LED event
that houses are where jobs sleep at

1668
02:41:42,640 --> 02:41:51,439
night. And so this would be where Long
Longmont residents could um live and

1669
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:56,960
take transit and um live in this
walkable environment for um these

1670
02:41:54,479 --> 02:42:02,080
community members. So what improvements
are being proposed?

1671
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:08,080
These include a north south drive,
installation of water, sanitary storm

1672
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:15,680
lines, plaz uh a plaza and landscaping
among others. So what are the re revenue

1673
02:42:12,399 --> 02:42:22,880
benefits to Longmont? Um Longmont
benefits from 1.7 million in use tax as

1674
02:42:20,399 --> 02:42:30,000
well as six over six million in
development fees. There are benefits of

1675
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:37,359
sales tax revenue and these estimates
are the proposed residents um who would

1676
02:42:33,200 --> 02:42:41,920
be living in these 256 units. this this
was what they would be spending as they

1677
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:48,800
would be shopping in within the city of
Longmont. [snorts] And what I mentioned

1678
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:56,560
before is the property tax. So it would
be estimated that the city would gain

1679
02:42:52,000 --> 02:43:01,280
13,000 um per year of that base and then
that that would be estimated to be

1680
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:08,880
approximately 30,000 that first year for
LURA for the increment. And um like um

1681
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:15,600
what what was just mentioned, this is a
this is an increase because the existing

1682
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:18,600
property tax revenue for 2025 was um
6,700.

1683
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:30,479
So that is the projected 25-year TIFF
analysis for the redevelopment. And then

1684
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:34,880
finally, just the the recommendation and
that that we would um our our

1685
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:37,439
recommendation is to approve the
resolution approving the

1686
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:41,920
intergovernmental
um agreement for tax revenue increment

1687
02:43:40,160 --> 02:43:48,560
revenue sharing between the city of
Longmont and Longmont Urban Renewal

1688
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:53,439
Authority in TIFF area 2.
Can I answer any questions?

1689
02:43:50,479 --> 02:43:56,080
» Okay. So, I'm going to give it back to
Council Member Marcen. he pulled the

1690
02:43:55,439 --> 02:43:58,560
item.
>> Thank you so much, mayor, and thank you,

1691
02:43:57,279 --> 02:44:02,160
Laura, for that presentation. I know
there's been a lot of back and forth

1692
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:07,279
around the community about this specific
project of late. Um, and I just want to

1693
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:10,720
kind of frame my own thinking here
before I ask a couple questions, which

1694
02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:14,560
is this is the first time that I, as a
member of council or a member of the

1695
02:44:12,479 --> 02:44:17,920
Laura board, have had the opportunity to
to vote on and look at this specific

1696
02:44:16,560 --> 02:44:21,439
project. I think the last time it was
considered, I was sitting out there. So

1697
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:25,040
I I'm approaching it with maybe a
different perspective than my fellow

1698
02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:28,479
council members who were here and also
the perspective of having just heard

1699
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:32,080
very loudly and clearly from our
community where they are at on a project

1700
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:36,479
that I think from a community
perspective is going to present a

1701
02:44:33,760 --> 02:44:39,680
certain a certain way. Um so just want
to be really clear that that these tiff

1702
02:44:38,319 --> 02:44:43,359
dollars and the reason I'm asking these
questions is not so much about tiff. I

1703
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:48,080
understand tiff. I I think tiff is the
right financing mechanism for this. My

1704
02:44:46,399 --> 02:44:51,520
concern is with the end product that
these TIFF dollars are gonna are going

1705
02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:55,040
to create are going to allow. Um and
it's the only time I'm going to be able

1706
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:58,800
to discuss it. So um remind me one more
time how many total rental units are we

1707
02:44:56,960 --> 02:45:01,439
talking about in phase one?
>> 256

1708
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:07,120
» and and and that's a 200. So we're
talking about a 256 apartment

1709
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:10,880
development on Hover and Nelson roughly
in an area that as my fellow council

1710
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:14,720
members are well aware has been
seriously stacked with those kinds of

1711
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:19,600
developments. We've all heard about it
from the community over the last several

1712
02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:22,640
years. Um was any consideration just in
the negotiation process and find you

1713
02:45:21,359 --> 02:45:27,520
know development partners working
through the planning phase given to and

1714
02:45:26,160 --> 02:45:29,680
I don't know Laura I know you're on the
lur I don't know if you're the

1715
02:45:28,560 --> 02:45:33,680
necessarily the person to answer this
question but given to working with a

1716
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:38,319
developer more interested in for sale
product interested in a different mix of

1717
02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:41,439
product for this specific site. I
appreciate you in your presentation

1718
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:45,279
highlighting some of the challenges with
that for this specific site. Um, and we

1719
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:49,840
all know the challenges related to
condos and for sale units, but was that

1720
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:54,200
a was that a conversation during this
process as far as you're aware?

1721
02:45:55,200 --> 02:46:00,960
» I I think at least in the conversations
with this this group, I know from the

1722
02:45:59,439 --> 02:46:05,439
urban renewal perspective, that was
something they talked about and um

1723
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:12,560
» um I think what they indicated is that
it it wouldn't pencil out financially

1724
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:17,680
and ultimately they have the contract on
the property and so

1725
02:46:15,840 --> 02:46:21,439
um it's really dependent on who the
owner of the property is and the

1726
02:46:19,200 --> 02:46:26,479
contract that they have with the buyer
in terms of who we negotiate because

1727
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:29,040
similar to the why conversation we don't
control that the property owner controls

1728
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:32,640
that
>> yeah and I appreciate that and and I

1729
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:35,439
think just from my perspective had I
been able to be in the lura

1730
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:38,800
conversations had I been had the
planning process been something that I

1731
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:42,800
you would have had a say in. I I would
have thought differently about this. Um,

1732
02:46:40,960 --> 02:46:46,080
from my perspective, this is a vote
essentially to allow the financing and

1733
02:46:44,399 --> 02:46:49,439
development of another large apartment
complex in an area that's already

1734
02:46:47,439 --> 02:46:53,520
oversaturated and our residents are have
said very clearly where they're at on

1735
02:46:51,279 --> 02:46:56,640
that. Um, and I'm going to So, I I
appreciate your your work on this,

1736
02:46:54,800 --> 02:47:01,279
Laura. I'm I'm going to vote no on
financing on on this on these tiff on

1737
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:04,240
these tiff dollars. I I I want this site
to be redeveloped. I think had the

1738
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:07,439
projects that have gone on in that side
of the community had not been there in

1739
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:10,399
the last few years, my thinking would
have been different. I think right now,

1740
02:47:09,439 --> 02:47:13,840
um, as a representative of the
community, I have to I have to vote no.

1741
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:18,560
So, thanks.
>> Um, Council Member Popkin,

1742
02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:22,479
» you got to get out.
>> Thanks, Mayor. Um, Laura, thank you for

1743
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:27,600
the presentation. I I had one or two
clarifying questions for you. Um, and

1744
02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:31,439
and then, uh, maybe a couple comments to
make. Um

1745
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:37,680
when for for members of the public who
aren't following like all of the TIFF

1746
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:44,080
definitions super closely um is is tiff
a tax incentive?

1747
02:47:41,359 --> 02:47:47,920
» No, it's enabling development to pay its
own way.

1748
02:47:45,920 --> 02:47:53,359
» Thank you. And is it a is it a subsidy
using city funds?

1749
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:57,120
» No, it's not a subsidy. Is it a rebate
or a grant or any other kind of

1750
02:47:55,520 --> 02:48:00,920
incentive structure like that that we're
taking out of our other funds

1751
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:06,720
» as in like are we taking it away from
other purposes that that we could be

1752
02:48:05,040 --> 02:48:12,399
applying it to
>> if we use it for this project?

1753
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:20,800
» Um so
TIFF has very specific guidelines on

1754
02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:25,920
what it can be used for. Um there must
be it must be utilized for public

1755
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:33,840
improvements.
Um so there are very specific guidelines

1756
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:44,800
on what how it can be used what it can
be done what it and how it is used to

1757
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:52,720
mitigate reverse prevent blight. So it
is it is there are very strict

1758
02:48:48,880 --> 02:49:01,120
guidelines on what it can be used for
and and and that that

1759
02:48:57,439 --> 02:49:06,240
mitigation of blight is the is the prime
directive there. That is really the the

1760
02:49:03,439 --> 02:49:12,560
reason of what what what we're doing
what we're doing within urban renewal.

1761
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:17,040
So, um, you know, it it it's come back
to my original question just for the

1762
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:21,520
sake of time here. Are we pulling
funding from other areas in our budget

1763
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:27,439
to pay for these improvements?
>> Uh, no. And I think that goes back to my

1764
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:33,279
first comment is the the funding for
this is only available because of the

1765
02:49:30,319 --> 02:49:38,000
project. If the project doesn't go
forward, there's no funding to put in

1766
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:40,720
the increment.
Thank you, Harold. Thank you, Laura. So,

1767
02:49:39,359 --> 02:49:45,439
not only is there no funding to put in
the increment, there's no funding to uh

1768
02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:49,120
help address the public safety hazards
on the site. There's no funding that is

1769
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:52,399
stimulating the businesses in the
village of the Peaks commercial area

1770
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:57,279
generally. There is no funding to
support workforce housing there um

1771
02:49:54,880 --> 02:50:02,800
that's uh connected on the future bus
rapid transit lines. Like this project

1772
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:06,240
enables those things. It doesn't pull
money from other purposes. Correct.

1773
02:50:05,359 --> 02:50:09,680
» Correct.
>> Okay. And then this project is also, if

1774
02:50:08,399 --> 02:50:17,600
I understand the development agreement
correctly, um adding a

1775
02:50:13,359 --> 02:50:21,120
150% of the afford is paying 150% of the
fee in L for affordable housing.

1776
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:25,520
Correct.
>> That is correct.

1777
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:31,359
» And and I just want to go back to your
question of um pulling funding. It is

1778
02:50:28,640 --> 02:50:37,359
bringing more money to the city. Like I
said, the the property tax in 2025 was

1779
02:50:34,319 --> 02:50:42,960
just over 6,000. And due to this
project, the first year of property tax

1780
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:48,240
revenue of the base will be nearly
double that. So the city will see 13,000

1781
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:53,359
in property tax. So the city is
benefiting from this development.

1782
02:50:51,439 --> 02:50:56,240
» Yeah, that feels small to me when we
think about in this context. Can you

1783
02:50:54,880 --> 02:50:59,040
give me the remind me of the
redevelopment fee or like the

1784
02:50:57,520 --> 02:51:04,399
development fees that the applicant is
paying that also go to the city.

1785
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:08,240
» Correct. There are over $6 million in
fees that will be paid um to the city as

1786
02:51:07,600 --> 02:51:11,120
well.
>> So that Yeah. And that's a little bit

1787
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:16,399
more substantial than just the kind of
12 13,000 um increase there. Correct.

1788
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:20,080
Substantially. Um
>> the other clarifying question I had so

1789
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:22,880
the Walmart site and correct correct me
if I'm wrong because this was before my

1790
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:26,160
time here, but the Walmart site closed
in 2011. Correct.

1791
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:31,040
» That is correct.
>> Has there been any uh serious efforts to

1792
02:51:28,560 --> 02:51:35,120
redevelop this since
before this project?

1793
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:41,520
» I I can jump in on that. Um since I've
been here, I I joined in 2013. Um

1794
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:46,880
there was only to my knowledge there was
only one

1795
02:51:44,160 --> 02:51:52,240
potential project
that was brought to our attention on

1796
02:51:49,439 --> 02:51:57,359
that location. Unfortunately, because of
the ownership structure on that parcel,

1797
02:51:55,040 --> 02:52:02,800
uh that project didn't move forward. And
that existed when the Walmart building

1798
02:52:00,800 --> 02:52:06,479
was actually still in place
>> because

1799
02:52:03,439 --> 02:52:09,359
» that was pre 2016 even.
>> Pardon?

1800
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:12,160
» That was pre 2016, I think, before the
building was demolished.

1801
02:52:10,319 --> 02:52:17,680
» I think so. So, before the building was
demolished, there was one interested

1802
02:52:13,840 --> 02:52:26,080
party in that location. And the the
issue with that location is really when

1803
02:52:20,240 --> 02:52:33,120
the building existed. Um it was
odd in how it was approved because you

1804
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:38,640
have two different land owners
and one of the land owners owned the

1805
02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:43,439
building and so the two didn't
necessarily agree and so while the

1806
02:52:42,319 --> 02:52:48,240
building was there there was nothing
that really could move forward. Um,

1807
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:54,720
since that date, I have not been aware
of anybody else that's interested in

1808
02:52:50,880 --> 02:52:57,840
that location. Laura, have you Are you
>> Thank you. Thank you, Harold. And And to

1809
02:52:56,479 --> 02:53:02,319
be clear, like that you haven't heard
any interest through perhaps a period of

1810
02:53:00,240 --> 02:53:06,640
the historically lowest interest rates
for financing construction projects in

1811
02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:11,439
recent history. Correct.
>> No.

1812
02:53:08,960 --> 02:53:14,399
» Uh, thank you. Um, so I guess where I'm
trying to get at is

1813
02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:16,720
» Yeah. I'm going to say get to your point
quick because I we have a lot of people

1814
02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:20,720
in the queue. So
>> yeah, so I I fully sympathize with uh

1815
02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:27,040
some of the points that Council Member
Mars made. However, I want to reiterate

1816
02:53:24,479 --> 02:53:30,479
that
what this project is fundamentally

1817
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:34,000
different from some of the other housing
projects that we have seen come up. It

1818
02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:41,760
is aligned with a lot of the plans that
we had a lot of community input on. And

1819
02:53:38,880 --> 02:53:45,760
it costs us more money if projects don't
move forward. And this one does align

1820
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:51,200
with so many of the goals that we care
about. Um, and there's a there's a major

1821
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:55,600
challenge right now with state law that
is preventing for sale housing, which I

1822
02:53:53,520 --> 02:54:00,000
know myself and and most of this council
also care about. And we specifically did

1823
02:53:57,840 --> 02:54:03,200
inquire about that during this process.
Um, and in fact, this project does

1824
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:08,160
contribute to our affordable housing
fund that we can use to help invest in

1825
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:11,520
future for sale housing, which I and and
they're contributing more than they're

1826
02:54:09,359 --> 02:54:14,399
required to. So, I I'll pause for now
before I make a few other points, but I

1827
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:17,359
because I do want to hear what my fellow
council members think, but I do want to

1828
02:54:15,680 --> 02:54:23,200
remind us of the context of how we got
here over the last 15 years and why this

1829
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:26,720
project is is not uh you know, maybe the
the cookie cutter thing that some people

1830
02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:31,200
might think it is. I've had many
conversations with residents throughout

1831
02:54:28,160 --> 02:54:35,359
the the uh campaign season after that
about what this project is doing and

1832
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:39,200
after they understand kind of the
mechanism, the concept, the goals of it,

1833
02:54:37,120 --> 02:54:43,359
and what it's actually correcting for.
Um I have I have not only received less

1834
02:54:41,359 --> 02:54:46,160
opposition but actually support for why
we're doing this. Okay.

1835
02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:52,520
» So I did want to make that point because
I think clarity is king here. Thank you.

1836
02:54:48,240 --> 02:54:52,520
» Thank you. Uh Council Member Prito.

1837
02:54:52,560 --> 02:54:59,120
» Uh thank you Laura for the presentation.
I had sent you some emails earlier. I

1838
02:54:56,640 --> 02:55:04,319
got a response to one of them but my
other one might have been lost. Um

1839
02:55:02,960 --> 02:55:07,920
and maybe it was yesterday. I don't
remember. [laughter]

1840
02:55:05,920 --> 02:55:15,439
But one of my questions I'm I guess I'm
just trying to wrap my head around the

1841
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:21,680
25 year tiff time frame and how
um we go about using that if I wasn't

1842
02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:30,240
mistaken in the other contract
for the Martin one that had a sunset. So

1843
02:55:26,560 --> 02:55:36,640
once we meet x amount then it cuts off
and we don't go to the 25 years. And so

1844
02:55:32,720 --> 02:55:42,160
I'm just wondering why the city um does
the overall 25- year period kind of rule

1845
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:46,319
of thumb and doesn't cut it off once
that debt is paid so we can start

1846
02:55:44,080 --> 02:55:54,479
getting those taxes back to us. Can you
explain a little bit of that background?

1847
02:55:50,479 --> 02:56:01,120
So the state statute dictates that the
period can be 25 years and it really

1848
02:55:58,399 --> 02:56:08,640
does um
tie back to

1849
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:16,160
um how the money is to be
utilized to mitigate blight. And so in

1850
02:56:12,640 --> 02:56:20,800
this situation um were were you asking
about because they're they're very

1851
02:56:18,160 --> 02:56:27,040
different situations. the the the Martin
project versus the Hines project. Um, do

1852
02:56:24,800 --> 02:56:32,800
you want me to
elaborate on the 25 years, how it's used

1853
02:56:30,399 --> 02:56:36,960
differently in the two projects?
>> Yeah. Well, I guess I was just trying to

1854
02:56:34,399 --> 02:56:41,760
understand why in this project it goes
to the full 25 years, but in the Martin

1855
02:56:39,600 --> 02:56:46,240
project, I believe it it cuts off or
sunsets once that debt's paid off.

1856
02:56:44,319 --> 02:56:51,040
» No, they're they're both for 25 years.
>> They're both for 25 years. And so I then

1857
02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:57,359
I guess the question is why do we go for
the full 25 years and not the projected

1858
02:56:55,200 --> 02:57:00,720
x amount of years to pay off the x
amount of debt.

1859
02:56:59,279 --> 02:57:06,319
Does that make sense?
>> So um Harold, did you want to answer?

1860
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:13,040
Okay.
>> Okay. So the the redevelopment agreement

1861
02:57:10,560 --> 02:57:17,640
with the Hines
project, it is aundred

1862
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:29,439
20 um million dollar project. So there
is no um

1863
02:57:25,920 --> 02:57:36,880
repayment of debt. It's just
contribution to expenses.

1864
02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:44,240
And so the way the contribution is
broken out, it's

1865
02:57:39,760 --> 02:57:48,800
reimbursed over that 25 year period to
get to that total amount of

1866
02:57:46,880 --> 02:57:57,040
reimbursement.
And how that is allocated is that

1867
02:57:54,240 --> 02:58:02,640
because the the property taxes are
generated on a yearly basis, the

1868
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:09,200
reimbursement then goes in a yearly
basis to get to that total amount of

1869
02:58:06,479 --> 02:58:14,319
those public improvements. Does that
answer your question

1870
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:18,479
» somewhat? And and I think because you
know I think the argument that this in

1871
02:58:16,479 --> 02:58:26,640
in what we tell our constituents or like
the explanation we give is we

1872
02:58:23,200 --> 02:58:27,920
without tIF the project is not possible.
>> Correct.

1873
02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:32,319
» Right.
>> Correct.

1874
02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:38,080
» But in some of the situations it doesn't
sound like that that argument stands.

1875
02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:45,359
And so I just want to make sure that
we're not just giving

1876
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:50,479
this the tax away that it is actually
that reimbursement or filling in the gap

1877
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:54,080
but and and making sure like if it
doesn't need to go to the 25 years then

1878
02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:57,920
why do we go to the 25 years when we
could be getting that back into maybe

1879
02:58:56,240 --> 02:59:02,880
general fund or other things. And maybe
I'm misunderstanding this um but I was

1880
02:59:00,640 --> 02:59:06,479
just wanting some clarification on that
and understanding. So on this one you

1881
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:10,720
have two different pieces. There's two
caps that actually are in place. There

1882
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:16,080
is the total cap of the funding that
goes into it and then there's the yearly

1883
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:24,399
cap of the funding. And so they're
capped on a yearly basis at $600,000.

1884
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:32,399
» And then so if they generated $800,000
in increment, they only get $600,000.

1885
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:38,240
if they generate $400,000 in increment,
they only get $400,000.

1886
02:59:36,160 --> 02:59:45,120
So when you're running the cap to the
full 25 years, that's projected, I

1887
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:49,359
believe, on the 600,000 for 25 years. So
they have a maximum cap that they can

1888
02:59:47,279 --> 02:59:54,800
get and then they have a yearly cap that
they can get. So to get at your point,

1889
02:59:53,120 --> 03:00:00,000
if they build it and all of a sudden it
appraises at this and they're putting in

1890
02:59:56,800 --> 03:00:04,560
900,000, they only get 600,000
and then the remaining piece comes back

1891
03:00:02,399 --> 03:00:06,399
into the urban renewal authority.
Correct, Laura?

1892
03:00:05,520 --> 03:00:11,680
» That is correct.
>> And so then the urban renewal authority

1893
03:00:08,560 --> 03:00:17,279
can invest it in areas adjacent to the
property. So let's say theoretically

1894
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:22,479
we needed to put a new signal light at
Hoverver and Nelson, the Urban Renewal

1895
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:28,880
Authority can contribute to that project
or if there was um we talked about if

1896
03:00:26,240 --> 03:00:32,960
there was a project at the fairgrounds,
the Urban Renewal Authority could take

1897
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:38,160
because it's adjacent to the area, they
could take anything that they get above

1898
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:42,479
that to participate in that project. So
I think to answer your question, they're

1899
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:47,920
limited at 600,000 per year. And when
you take the 600,000 per year over the

1900
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:53,120
25 years, those two numbers align with
each other. Now on the other side of the

1901
03:00:51,439 --> 03:00:56,319
equation when you look at different
projects

1902
03:00:54,640 --> 03:01:01,840
if you're looking at urban renewal
authorities to let's say we're trying to

1903
03:00:58,800 --> 03:01:07,439
build a public project transit station
for example we may be the ones that

1904
03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:13,120
issue the debt to construct a transit
station. So then that one's written in a

1905
03:01:10,399 --> 03:01:17,840
way that if we incur debt and for some
reason if we pay the debt off early then

1906
03:01:15,279 --> 03:01:22,240
it stops. But that's related to debt
that we're issuing. So they're two

1907
03:01:19,520 --> 03:01:25,359
different agreements that are trying to
accomplish two different things. Okay.

1908
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:28,880
» Did that answer your question?
>> Yeah. You did a better job.

1909
03:01:27,359 --> 03:01:33,600
» Yeah. No, it was and it gets really
confusing and I guess the due diligence

1910
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:37,120
that I want to make sure is yes. like
and I think Lura is almost one and the

1911
03:01:35,520 --> 03:01:41,200
same with the city like it's a very
close partnership and so just making

1912
03:01:39,439 --> 03:01:46,000
sure that it's not just all going to
Lura and the city's actually getting its

1913
03:01:43,439 --> 03:01:50,720
tax back to put into our public fund so
that we can pay for things that we need

1914
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:56,000
and and have the flexibility to pay for
whatever and not necessarily hands tied

1915
03:01:53,359 --> 03:02:00,800
to a specific area or project. So,
>> and I think to that question, so think

1916
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:04,479
back last year when we were well, and it
could be this year, we're not far enough

1917
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:09,279
into it. No, but when we were having
sales and use tax issues. So, when you

1918
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:14,720
bring the sales and use tax that they're
putting in as part of the permit fees,

1919
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:21,840
that's also adding a different source of
revenue to the system. So if let's say

1920
03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:26,319
that project happened last year, our gap
in terms of sales and use tax may have

1921
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:32,240
been smaller because of the fees that
they're paying as they're coming in.

1922
03:02:29,279 --> 03:02:34,800
That is a tax. It's just a different
form of a tax that comes into the

1923
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:37,960
system.
>> Thank you.

1924
03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:43,000
» Okay, Council Member Christ.

1925
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:52,740
Thank you, mayor.
[sighs]

1926
03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:58,640
So, I was one of those that sent you an
email, but I was really just curious.

1927
03:02:57,040 --> 03:03:02,479
Um,
and one of my questions was, you know,

1928
03:03:00,800 --> 03:03:08,399
how are we going to spend the extra
money that's um about 3.3 million, you

1929
03:03:05,439 --> 03:03:15,520
say that will be above what um Hines
takes out of it? And I I just look at

1930
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:22,240
this as a big investment in the
community because um basically what

1931
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:26,479
we're saying is that the um
that we're going to keep the original

1932
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:30,319
property tax and you say as we begin to
develop it that will actually double to

1933
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:33,120
be 13,000 a year. So
>> that is correct.

1934
03:03:30,960 --> 03:03:38,399
» That's a win right there. Correct.
>> And then um

1935
03:03:36,240 --> 03:03:44,960
we're going to save public safety time
and excessive calls on in that area.

1936
03:03:42,399 --> 03:03:52,399
Plus, we're also going to receive sales
tax and I think you said $500,000

1937
03:03:48,240 --> 03:03:56,160
to which will sales tax will go into the
um public safety fund in that amount.

1938
03:03:54,479 --> 03:04:01,040
So, we actually have more sales tax for
the city, but the public safety portion

1939
03:03:58,560 --> 03:04:05,680
of that would be about 500,000. So,
that's another win. And and then um for

1940
03:04:04,319 --> 03:04:09,600
those who weren't in the original
meetings with Hines, I've got to say

1941
03:04:07,200 --> 03:04:14,880
that this is a bit of an original
project and that it has a wraparound

1942
03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:19,439
garage, so the garage is safe and out
outside influences can't come into that

1943
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:25,279
garage. It's five stories, so there's
elevators and it's in an area where

1944
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:29,680
there's a lot of commercial activity, so
it's very walkable. if you want to go to

1945
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:33,600
a restaurant, if you want to go to
entertainment, if you want to go to the

1946
03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:37,680
fairgrounds, if you want to catch a bus,
um it it's quite a bit different than

1947
03:04:36,080 --> 03:04:41,520
some of the slap and dash that we've
been seeing that the community is

1948
03:04:39,439 --> 03:04:47,840
concerned about. And I actually have had
a lot of interest in that product

1949
03:04:45,359 --> 03:04:51,760
already from the community. And so my
big question is I've been tasked to ask

1950
03:04:50,399 --> 03:04:56,800
is when are they going to break ground
on this product?

1951
03:04:54,000 --> 03:05:03,200
» They're hoping very soon. I mean, they
were they were really hoping to um break

1952
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:09,520
ground as soon as they can.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, um and my understanding

1953
03:05:06,160 --> 03:05:15,520
of that extra um
the extra money that will come back to

1954
03:05:11,120 --> 03:05:21,840
Lura, we can reinvest in in more
buildings, in more um assets that will

1955
03:05:19,520 --> 03:05:27,200
also grow property tax and grow sales
tax in those two areas. But it'll be up

1956
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:30,640
to the lura board. So we'll have we'll
have influence as we go forward as to

1957
03:05:28,960 --> 03:05:34,000
how's that how that is spent.
>> That is correct.

1958
03:05:31,439 --> 03:05:37,920
» Okay. All right. Well, I I'm in favor of
this and thank you for being so patient

1959
03:05:35,680 --> 03:05:40,880
and showing us once again what the plan
is.

1960
03:05:39,279 --> 03:05:44,560
» Thank you. Yeah, the plan and the
process as well. Um, Council Member Cole

1961
03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:49,439
Copper.
>> Thank you, Mayor, and thanks for all the

1962
03:05:46,319 --> 03:05:55,840
information. Um, so it's been a vacant
site for a while. No, hardly any retail

1963
03:05:52,720 --> 03:06:00,399
or large event company has shown
interest in the site. It is a hard spot

1964
03:05:58,319 --> 03:06:05,520
for retail in-n-out. So, I'm not
surprised that there hasn't been much

1965
03:06:02,319 --> 03:06:10,479
activity for that. Um, but no like
Trader Joe's type of grocery, no no

1966
03:06:08,640 --> 03:06:15,920
library branch that we've been working
on could fit there. Like, what else

1967
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:22,000
could go there if it weren't this
project?

1968
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:28,640
you know, those um access issues are
are are really limiting and access is is

1969
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:35,359
bread and butter to these retailers and
if they have any access issues at all,

1970
03:06:32,880 --> 03:06:42,240
they will find another site with no
access issues. And um retailers have

1971
03:06:39,359 --> 03:06:48,080
have a formula. They know exactly how
many cars per day, how many people

1972
03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:52,160
within five miles, how many um
they know exactly what they're looking

1973
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:56,800
for in a site and if they cannot find it
in a site, they will look at another

1974
03:06:54,160 --> 03:07:04,800
community, another state, another I mean
they will look at at other sites. So, I

1975
03:07:01,120 --> 03:07:07,840
I think the the access issues speak
volumes.

1976
03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:13,040
» And if we don't approve this, that
doesn't mean that another apartment

1977
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:17,760
developer wouldn't come in and develop
it anyway. They just might not get the

1978
03:07:15,680 --> 03:07:24,319
tiff. Correct. That doesn't stop
development from happening there is what

1979
03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:29,279
I'm kind of asking. Is that correct?
Um, I think potentially I think what you

1980
03:07:26,800 --> 03:07:36,880
would get is if something were to occur
is is probably not this type of product.

1981
03:07:32,479 --> 03:07:42,080
Um, and it would probably be more of um
suburban style simply because the the

1982
03:07:40,160 --> 03:07:47,120
challenge in this is really the wrapped
design in this. Um there hasn't been

1983
03:07:44,800 --> 03:07:51,840
anything like that built in Longmont.
And so the the underwriting on that

1984
03:07:49,760 --> 03:07:58,160
project is what's creating certain
issues, you know, and talking to Hines,

1985
03:07:54,479 --> 03:08:03,040
they said we could underwrite this
probably right away in Cherry Creek

1986
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:07,359
because that's what it's proven itself
there. So behind it is the financing

1987
03:08:05,359 --> 03:08:11,920
piece that that is part of the challenge
in this. So could you get multif family?

1988
03:08:10,000 --> 03:08:17,200
Yes. Could you get multif family that is
designed like this that has elevators

1989
03:08:13,920 --> 03:08:22,880
and other pieces? I think it's hard to
say without the tiff because that really

1990
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:26,479
the financing is driving that issue. I
think the other thing that we probably

1991
03:08:24,640 --> 03:08:31,120
we didn't talk about in this is it's not
just the land ownership on the Walmart

1992
03:08:28,640 --> 03:08:40,560
site. It's the land ownership in the
entire site because there are um

1993
03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:46,960
covenants on um retail sites that you
often see where certain tenants have

1994
03:08:43,600 --> 03:08:52,080
certain rights um that can preempt the
rights of the other property owners. And

1995
03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:55,920
so in this case, when you think about
Hobby Lobby in particular, it's

1996
03:08:53,680 --> 03:09:01,120
sightelines, it's access, it's these
other issues. And so I think that piece

1997
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:06,880
of the puzzle is also making the site
very difficult which retail then becomes

1998
03:09:04,399 --> 03:09:10,560
a problem because I don't know this
agreement per se but I have seen other

1999
03:09:08,720 --> 03:09:17,520
agreements where they also can say yay
or nay to who comes in. Now on the

2000
03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:23,760
retail front to Laura's point you know
we can say we want this type of retail

2001
03:09:20,479 --> 03:09:27,439
or we want this in the community. Um,
kind of when I said earlier, tell you

2002
03:09:25,760 --> 03:09:31,359
what you need to hear, not necessarily
what you want to hear. [snorts]

2003
03:09:29,200 --> 03:09:36,319
» Um, the reality in the retail world
right now is that they have been under

2004
03:09:33,040 --> 03:09:41,760
fire probably for the last 10 years. And
their their decision making process is

2005
03:09:38,880 --> 03:09:46,319
probably more refined than anything that
I've seen in my career. And in most

2006
03:09:44,319 --> 03:09:50,960
cases where people are bringing retail
in uh in a lot of areas that are

2007
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:56,479
adjacent to us, they're actually having
to participate in sales tax sharebacks

2008
03:09:53,439 --> 03:10:02,000
in order to get the retail which from my
perspective becomes dangerous because

2009
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:07,279
then what happens when it's not working
and so it is a very competitive world

2010
03:10:05,359 --> 03:10:12,800
and really the biggest problem with that
site is access visibility to Hoover in

2011
03:10:11,120 --> 03:10:17,920
terms of the building that's in front of
it and you know what we're hearing is

2012
03:10:15,359 --> 03:10:22,640
it's just not a desirable location right
now for retail and we we've just seen

2013
03:10:21,040 --> 03:10:25,120
the hit since I've been here we just
kind of have seen what's happened in

2014
03:10:24,080 --> 03:10:30,319
that location.
>> Mayor, I'll be quick. Um what is our

2015
03:10:27,200 --> 03:10:38,080
current vacancy rate in Longmont? Is it
somewhere around five 6%.

2016
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:42,080
» I have that slide. I think um 3%
>> 3%.

2017
03:10:39,040 --> 03:10:43,760
» We saw that this morning, didn't we?
We we [clears throat] saw we saw some

2018
03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:48,960
information
>> vacancy 3.4%

2019
03:10:45,760 --> 03:10:51,840
um within uh the city of Longmont. This
was from our from our housing people

2020
03:10:50,720 --> 03:10:57,200
today.
>> Okay. And um any ideas on what the rent

2021
03:10:54,640 --> 03:10:58,479
price might be?
>> No,

2022
03:10:57,680 --> 03:11:02,240
» I do not know.
>> No, that's fine. Um my concern is that

2023
03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:08,080
there's not going to be affordable
housing near transportation. I am for

2024
03:11:05,359 --> 03:11:11,760
building um housing near transit because
I think we need to move people

2025
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:17,439
efficiently with our transportation
network and I'm I'm sad that there won't

2026
03:11:15,279 --> 03:11:22,800
be any affordable units here because
this is in a major transportation

2027
03:11:19,279 --> 03:11:29,040
corridor and it's surrounded by um many
shopping centers and I feel like sure

2028
03:11:25,840 --> 03:11:33,600
we're getting money uh flu to to do
something else somewhere else um but I I

2029
03:11:32,160 --> 03:11:37,600
don't want to push people on the
outskirts town where we don't have

2030
03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:45,120
transportation to help them get to their
jobs and their services. Um, this is to

2031
03:11:41,520 --> 03:11:51,279
my core where I want uh density in
transportation corridors, but I I I I'm

2032
03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:57,040
really want to see affordability near
these corridors. And

2033
03:11:55,520 --> 03:12:05,359
I don't know where I stand. I'm
conflicted. So, thank you. Okay.

2034
03:12:00,880 --> 03:12:05,359
» Thank you. Oh, Council Member Popkin.

2035
03:12:06,560 --> 03:12:12,160
Thank you, mayor. I'll try to keep it
briefer than my other comments. Um,

2036
03:12:10,880 --> 03:12:16,399
there there are a few things that I want
to maybe set the record straight on

2037
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:20,000
here. Um, first, I I share Council
Member Kalcott for uh struggle a little

2038
03:12:18,560 --> 03:12:24,560
bit in terms of, you know, really trying
to prioritize affordability along these

2039
03:12:21,760 --> 03:12:30,800
corridors. What I will say though is
housing supply in of itself increases

2040
03:12:27,840 --> 03:12:35,520
affordability across the board. and you
could subsidize something publicly in a

2041
03:12:32,960 --> 03:12:39,760
specific area, but you know that
actually dilutes the the market effect.

2042
03:12:37,600 --> 03:12:44,240
And when we're thinking about a new zone
in our first and main area and sugar

2043
03:12:41,359 --> 03:12:47,680
mill and steam uh district, like that's
where like all of these ideas, all of

2044
03:12:46,240 --> 03:12:51,120
this passion and energy should really
come to a head so that we can set up

2045
03:12:49,200 --> 03:12:54,960
those zones for exactly the kinds of
things we want around transit oriented

2046
03:12:52,720 --> 03:12:58,880
development. This project is a
particularly unique creature because

2047
03:12:56,479 --> 03:13:02,800
it's correcting for some defects on this
site, some blight conditions on this

2048
03:13:00,560 --> 03:13:06,479
site. And when I think about what
responsible growth looks like in this

2049
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:08,960
community, it is leveraging a site like
this

2050
03:13:07,200 --> 03:13:12,640
» because it is along, you know, the
downside about it being along a major

2051
03:13:10,720 --> 03:13:15,439
corridor is that it's visible, but the
whole intention of it being along a

2052
03:13:14,000 --> 03:13:19,840
major corridor like this is that it's
transit accessible and business

2053
03:13:17,359 --> 03:13:25,840
accessible. Walking, biking, taking the
bus, and all of that, right? And so,

2054
03:13:23,200 --> 03:13:30,160
What this does is it also pulls pressure
off of existing neighborhoods. And I

2055
03:13:27,600 --> 03:13:34,720
know this council hasn't seen some of
those projects yet either come back or

2056
03:13:32,479 --> 03:13:37,520
come through, but uh I know some of my
my former my current colleagues who've

2057
03:13:36,399 --> 03:13:41,040
been on the council for many years
longer than myself have seen that

2058
03:13:39,520 --> 03:13:45,520
wholeheartedly. And when you get those
types of pressures, um it's a very

2059
03:13:43,359 --> 03:13:49,600
different conversation. This pulls
pressure off of existing neighborhoods

2060
03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:53,840
and focuses on redeveloping, not
developing, redeveloping sites that have

2061
03:13:51,520 --> 03:13:58,560
been previously disturbed um and our
public's health and safety hazards. Um

2062
03:13:56,399 --> 03:14:02,880
and and I want to build on uh Council
Member Chris's comments before. This

2063
03:14:00,479 --> 03:14:05,600
really is an investment in Long and our
region. redevelopment of this site. And

2064
03:14:04,479 --> 03:14:10,000
Laura, correct me if any of these
numbers are out of date, but as of uh

2065
03:14:08,000 --> 03:14:14,399
end of last year, redevelopment of this
site will generate an estimated $ 48

2066
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:18,080
million in just the first 25 years in
local revenue to Longmont, Boulder

2067
03:14:16,080 --> 03:14:22,479
County, and the school district. Money
that would not exist otherwise. Um, and

2068
03:14:21,040 --> 03:14:28,000
in fact, this actually includes
approximately 11 million in city taxes,

2069
03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:33,680
fees, and other revenue um that directly
enhance and support our public safety

2070
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:38,560
and our core services. um and roughly 32
million in taxes in for uh the school

2071
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:43,439
district and and the county. Um this
helps fund important services without

2072
03:14:40,720 --> 03:14:47,520
raising taxes on current residents um or
expanding development in farmland or

2073
03:14:45,279 --> 03:14:51,040
existing neighborhoods. And and so this
is particularly valuable when our

2074
03:14:49,120 --> 03:14:56,319
budgets are tighter and when federal and
state funding is limited. Um, this when

2075
03:14:54,560 --> 03:14:59,840
when you think about the TIFF revenue,
when you think about everything that's

2076
03:14:57,600 --> 03:15:05,680
coming in and going out, it's roughly a
220% return on investment.

2077
03:15:03,439 --> 03:15:09,840
» We're putting in 15 million through TIFF
and we're getting about 48 million in

2078
03:15:07,840 --> 03:15:13,920
regional revenue.
I I I would love to see more projects

2079
03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:16,960
that achieve that
and that correct public safety and

2080
03:15:15,600 --> 03:15:21,200
health hazards. I don't know where how
often we're going to see those types of

2081
03:15:18,319 --> 03:15:26,239
opportunities and from the where the
risk is all borne by the private sector.

2082
03:15:23,680 --> 03:15:31,040
It is such an opportunity for us and an
opportunity to support the village of

2083
03:15:27,520 --> 03:15:35,359
the peaks which when economic times get
challenging. More foot traffic is so

2084
03:15:33,359 --> 03:15:39,439
incredibly valuable to the strength of
that um part of our community and those

2085
03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:42,640
businesses that are there and the
businesses that we hope to frequent on

2086
03:15:41,200 --> 03:15:46,560
occasion when we when we need something
or want to shop there. Um it really

2087
03:15:44,560 --> 03:15:49,200
enhances that. The last thing I'll just
say here is that I think this is truly

2088
03:15:48,720 --> 03:15:52,960
responsible.
>> Um before you do you have a question?

2089
03:15:51,040 --> 03:15:56,399
You have about a minute and 20 seconds
left. So

2090
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:59,439
» question
are there any other mics on?

2091
03:15:57,920 --> 03:16:01,439
» Uh yes there are.
>> Okay.

2092
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:05,200
» Thank you. I appreciate that.
>> Um

2093
03:16:02,640 --> 03:16:07,760
» so I won't move the question then. Um
yeah don't

2094
03:16:05,760 --> 03:16:11,359
» this this is from my perspective and
from all of the conversations I've had

2095
03:16:09,279 --> 03:16:15,439
with residents. Responsible growth where
growth makes sense for us. Um, it's not

2096
03:16:13,760 --> 03:16:19,439
the dirtiest and dis most disgusting
site in Longmont that's reserved for the

2097
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:23,760
sugar mill when if for when annexed, but
like it is not a pretty site and it is a

2098
03:16:21,920 --> 03:16:28,960
complicated site that impacts our other
businesses and housing right nearby. And

2099
03:16:27,120 --> 03:16:32,960
we have an opportunity before us. We
have a partner who is actually trying to

2100
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:38,399
negotiate effectively with us and trying
to build something that is uh creative

2101
03:16:35,120 --> 03:16:43,600
and new for our community. Um, is it the
perfect thing? Uh, probably not. But

2102
03:16:41,279 --> 03:16:46,960
most projects aren't and we're do we
have something that's really really good

2103
03:16:45,359 --> 03:16:50,560
and a sound investment for our
community. So I really really hope we

2104
03:16:48,640 --> 03:16:53,760
set a clear precedent with this and say
hey we want you to build on these types

2105
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:57,200
of sites because we got a whole lot more
of those at first in Maine and in our

2106
03:16:55,520 --> 03:17:01,840
sugar mill.
>> Great. Thank you. Council member Marcen.

2107
03:17:00,160 --> 03:17:05,120
» Thank you mayor. And I I want to say I
appreciate council member Popkins points

2108
03:17:03,279 --> 03:17:08,560
because I actually agree with him on a
lot of it when it comes to this specific

2109
03:17:06,479 --> 03:17:12,000
site. I think this site is appropriate
for development like this. It's along a

2110
03:17:10,319 --> 03:17:16,000
major corridor. It's near services. It's
close to transit. Um, from a planning

2111
03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:21,760
standpoint, I get it. Makes sense here.
Um, I really wish this had come forward

2112
03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:24,800
5 years ago. Um because I I agree on
virtually every point that Council

2113
03:17:22,960 --> 03:17:30,080
Member Popkins raised with this specific
project, but but I think we're talking

2114
03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:34,960
about an area of the community that our
residents are screaming at us about when

2115
03:17:32,880 --> 03:17:38,160
it comes to the hundreds of highdensity
rental units and highdensity apartments

2116
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:43,120
that have been added in this quarter
mile area in the last 5 years. As a

2117
03:17:41,359 --> 03:17:46,080
council member, I believe I have to take
a broader view here. Um, I think at one

2118
03:17:44,880 --> 03:17:50,560
point during the campaign, I heard
almost everybody who was running um say

2119
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:55,200
that they would like to see
prioritization for for sale units and

2120
03:17:52,560 --> 03:18:00,080
fewer apartment developments.
I do not believe I can honestly tell my

2121
03:17:57,359 --> 03:18:04,880
community that I'm doing that and not
voting for more apartments if I am in

2122
03:18:02,080 --> 03:18:09,359
fact about to vote for more apartments.
Um,

2123
03:18:06,560 --> 03:18:13,920
our residents are screaming to slow this
down a little bit and to be very

2124
03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:18,399
thoughtful. I appreciate the project on
its merits, but our community needs

2125
03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:23,200
ownership opportunities. Our community
needs chances for folks to put down

2126
03:18:20,160 --> 03:18:28,720
roots, build equity, and see Longmont as
their long-term home. When we invest

2127
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:31,200
publicly in redevelopment by approving a
mechanism like this that's going to

2128
03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:36,080
enable a development, I think it's fair
to ask if we're advancing the right

2129
03:18:33,680 --> 03:18:41,840
balance in our housing mix. And I don't
think this does that. I don't think

2130
03:18:37,680 --> 03:18:47,279
another 256 market rate and above market
rate rental units with no affordable

2131
03:18:44,399 --> 03:18:52,000
on-site units that this tiff will allow
to be created is what our community is

2132
03:18:49,600 --> 03:18:53,760
asking from us. Um so for that reason
I'm not going to support the item

2133
03:18:53,040 --> 03:18:58,640
tonight.
>> Okay. Okay. Um Council Member Kuffford,

2134
03:18:56,960 --> 03:19:00,000
I believe this will be your second time,
correct?

2135
03:18:59,439 --> 03:19:03,680
» That's correct.
>> Okay.

2136
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:09,840
» Thank you, Mayor. Yes. Uh and I'll be
quick. Um I did speak with um the

2137
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:16,880
management for uh village at the peaks
and they have been having issues um with

2138
03:19:13,600 --> 03:19:20,319
that area and I appreciate everything
that everybody on this dasis has said

2139
03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:25,439
tonight and I appreciate what council
member Marging said. Yes, we have heard

2140
03:19:22,880 --> 03:19:31,279
from our community almost all of us um
that we we have too many rental

2141
03:19:28,319 --> 03:19:37,520
apartments. Um, but I'm also looking at
it from the opportunity of redeveloping

2142
03:19:34,800 --> 03:19:44,080
this area that has caused our businesses
at Village at the Peaks a lot of

2143
03:19:39,600 --> 03:19:50,880
heartburn and that they're spending a a
large amount of money because of the

2144
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:56,160
surrounding area is is a magnet to
blight and we're we're having issues and

2145
03:19:53,120 --> 03:19:59,279
I think we have an opportunity and it is
a a very difficult decision that I'm

2146
03:19:58,160 --> 03:20:05,120
going to be
about creating more rental apartments.

2147
03:20:02,479 --> 03:20:10,960
In my heart, I really want us to have
for sale apartments that are affordable

2148
03:20:08,080 --> 03:20:14,880
in transportation corridors. I believe
this this site is appropriate for what

2149
03:20:13,120 --> 03:20:19,600
we're doing. The apartments that are
being built elsewhere are not in the

2150
03:20:17,279 --> 03:20:24,239
areas where I am passionate for us to
develop. Um so I I believe I'm going to

2151
03:20:22,479 --> 03:20:28,479
be for this.
>> Um thank you and thank you for the

2152
03:20:26,880 --> 03:20:34,479
comments. I mean, yes, we do have to
vote our heart on on these issues. For

2153
03:20:32,160 --> 03:20:40,960
me, you know, this area has been a
source of consternation, public safety

2154
03:20:36,960 --> 03:20:45,680
activity. Um, you know, it is it has
been a pain for the business owners in

2155
03:20:43,760 --> 03:20:50,560
that area as well as the city itself,
our public safety. Um, you know, and I

2156
03:20:48,319 --> 03:20:56,640
think about the talk of rentals and all
that. Well, guess what? I rent. and

2157
03:20:54,399 --> 03:21:04,000
buying a home. You know, I you've known
my situation over $200,000 in mental

2158
03:21:00,399 --> 03:21:08,479
health, health care because of a broken
system.

2159
03:21:05,600 --> 03:21:13,279
Um there are people who are and the more
I talk about it, the more people come to

2160
03:21:10,399 --> 03:21:18,080
me and are in the same boat where they
have great credit, they have money saved

2161
03:21:15,279 --> 03:21:24,080
up, they cannot qualify.
So, you know, we also need a place to

2162
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:28,479
go. And I think about um you know folks
and friends that I have in the ID, the

2163
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:34,319
um individuals with developmental
disabilities as well as um people with

2164
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:39,439
severe mental illness, you know, looking
for places that they are close to

2165
03:21:37,279 --> 03:21:44,560
commerce that they are not having to
drive but they have easy accessibility

2166
03:21:41,840 --> 03:21:50,399
to buses and transit. you know, I see
this development in this location as a

2167
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:55,200
prime opportunity for people in that
situation. So, you know, that's why

2168
03:21:52,399 --> 03:21:59,120
moving forward with this, um, I look at
other annexations that will be coming

2169
03:21:57,359 --> 03:22:02,960
down our pike, other things that will be
coming before us, and I'm going to look

2170
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:08,560
at them with more critical with a
critical lens in the sense of are we do

2171
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:12,960
we want development out where there is
no transit, where there isn't close

2172
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:17,680
close to businesses and economic
development, and that we're tearing

2173
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:22,000
apart farmland or open space areas, you
know. So those are those are areas that

2174
03:22:19,279 --> 03:22:26,560
I'm looking with a critical eye and
being cognizant. So this is about

2175
03:22:23,840 --> 03:22:32,000
careful and smart planning. I understand
it's it's condensed in this area, but it

2176
03:22:29,520 --> 03:22:36,080
also allows opportunity for people who
don't have access to vehicles to

2177
03:22:33,840 --> 03:22:40,880
actually get to where they need to go.
Um, and that's just what I've seen in my

2178
03:22:38,880 --> 03:22:44,479
own personal experience in folks that
I've I've worked with in the past. So,

2179
03:22:43,200 --> 03:22:48,800
you know, I'm looking at it from a
different lens as well. Um, Council

2180
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:57,120
Member Popkin, you've already spoken
twice. Um, Council Member Prito,

2181
03:22:52,239 --> 03:23:01,840
» just a quick uh question for Laura. Um,
so I know not every development is the

2182
03:23:00,239 --> 03:23:08,080
same. So, I'm going to ask this
question. understanding that um in the

2183
03:23:04,880 --> 03:23:16,000
past the public has come out and spoke
against certain developments and we've

2184
03:23:10,880 --> 03:23:21,200
seen developers come back with updated
um

2185
03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:26,319
plans um and how that development could
look. What are the odds that that could

2186
03:23:23,439 --> 03:23:31,359
happen here?
Um, [clears throat]

2187
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:35,840
do you mean updating
>> like the amount of units? They've

2188
03:23:33,439 --> 03:23:40,479
lowered it, they've changed it from
apartments to town homes, uh, different

2189
03:23:39,040 --> 03:23:49,200
things like that.
>> So, we worked um, extensively with them.

2190
03:23:44,640 --> 03:23:55,520
Um part of our negotiations were
included looking at their proforma and

2191
03:23:51,760 --> 03:24:05,520
that we we needed to see that there was
a gap and there was a but for and for us

2192
03:24:00,560 --> 03:24:13,760
there was the gap with market rate and
we asked about if they could add

2193
03:24:09,760 --> 03:24:21,680
affordable units and they just couldn't
make that pencil and

2194
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:29,600
in exchange they offered the one and a
half times of the inclusionary housing

2195
03:24:24,640 --> 03:24:36,560
fee. So that was their
um offer

2196
03:24:32,399 --> 03:24:44,000
to be a good community partner. And so
because they could not build

2197
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:49,600
affordable units and make the proform
work, um they offered that instead.

2198
03:24:47,840 --> 03:24:54,640
» Okay. And I understand the affordable
piece. I guess I'm just asking about

2199
03:24:52,160 --> 03:25:01,200
like design.
um you know why 250 apartments and not

2200
03:24:59,359 --> 03:25:05,520
you know a certain amount of town homes
or

2201
03:25:03,439 --> 03:25:08,720
» so I think we we we did have that
conversation and it really gets down to

2202
03:25:07,279 --> 03:25:12,800
the proforma okay
>> in terms of

2203
03:25:10,160 --> 03:25:15,520
» when you and so now I'm going to put the
housing authority hat on

2204
03:25:14,880 --> 03:25:19,279
» okay
>> so when you're looking at these projects

2205
03:25:17,840 --> 03:25:23,439
and you're looking at the total
construction cost you're also looking at

2206
03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:28,560
what the rents are what the rents
generate over time and and and the issue

2207
03:25:26,640 --> 03:25:30,000
is they couldn't make it work
financially.

2208
03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:34,399
» Okay,
>> we had them work scenarios where they

2209
03:25:31,920 --> 03:25:37,600
did put affordable housing on it and
some people have asked, well, why can't

2210
03:25:36,160 --> 03:25:42,880
they put more money on the front end
versus affordable housing units? It's

2211
03:25:40,000 --> 03:25:47,439
because the rent structure out over the
life of the loan

2212
03:25:44,800 --> 03:25:52,239
» cost significantly more than if they put
it on the front end. And so I I think

2213
03:25:50,319 --> 03:25:54,479
that's really the issue. It it is a
financial underwriting issue on this

2214
03:25:54,080 --> 03:26:00,880
project.
>> Okay. Thank you.

2215
03:25:56,399 --> 03:26:07,439
» Okay. So, um let's go ahead and May I
have a motion? Okay. So, council member

2216
03:26:04,800 --> 03:26:11,359
um or I'm sorry, Mayor Prom is moved
>> 9A.

2217
03:26:08,560 --> 03:26:17,880
» Item 9A. Do I have a second?
>> Um and council member Popkin has

2218
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:17,880
seconded it. Let's go ahead and vote.

2219
03:26:25,439 --> 03:26:28,439
Okay,

2220
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:40,120
» it just says waiting.
>> Um, it was um count uh mayor prom

2221
03:26:36,239 --> 03:26:40,120
» and then Popkins seconded.

2222
03:26:46,160 --> 03:26:53,760
Okay. Okay. And the item carries um 5
to2 with council members Marcen and

2223
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:59,359
Prito in opposition. Okay. Now we're on
to item D. Amend rule 27 of city

2224
03:26:57,359 --> 03:27:04,640
council's rules of procedure regarding
board interviews. And that was also

2225
03:27:00,880 --> 03:27:06,479
pulled by council member Marcen.
>> Thank you mayor. Hi Don. Good to see

2226
03:27:06,080 --> 03:27:08,160
you.
>> Good evening.

2227
03:27:07,040 --> 03:27:11,120
» Um do you have anything you want to say
at the top or or just questions or

2228
03:27:10,399 --> 03:27:15,120
thoughts or
>> Good evening is all I've got.

2229
03:27:12,319 --> 03:27:19,600
» Okay. Awesome. Um, I just wanted to I
know it was a lot of sausage making last

2230
03:27:16,720 --> 03:27:24,640
time and I just wanted to thank um folks
for kind of the conversation that we had

2231
03:27:21,520 --> 03:27:28,800
around this. Um, I I I pulled this
because I wanted to just bring up a

2232
03:27:26,800 --> 03:27:33,279
topic one more time for our
consideration before we finalize our

2233
03:27:30,479 --> 03:27:38,880
approval on this. And that is kind of
this question that I continue to have

2234
03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:43,680
about boards and echo chambers about you
know we we have had this challenge that

2235
03:27:40,960 --> 03:27:47,359
we discussed earlier tonight where very
technical boards approve folks from

2236
03:27:45,680 --> 03:27:51,760
within that circle and we don't often
get the community impact or community

2237
03:27:49,760 --> 03:27:55,680
input that maybe we as a council are
looking for. So I do not want to remove

2238
03:27:54,239 --> 03:28:00,479
boards from the interview process. I
actually really appreciate and desire

2239
03:27:58,319 --> 03:28:03,600
the the the place that that that boards
have in that process. I think where we

2240
03:28:02,000 --> 03:28:07,040
wound up in the the interview panel, I
actually think that's a good outcome.

2241
03:28:05,200 --> 03:28:11,120
The one thing that I'm still struggling
with personally, I want to vote for

2242
03:28:08,640 --> 03:28:16,640
this. I am still struggling with the
notion of formal recommendations uh

2243
03:28:13,680 --> 03:28:19,760
being provided um by members of the
board. I'm still struggling with that

2244
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:23,120
and a number of my council teammates
have rightly reminded me that we are not

2245
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:26,399
obligated
>> uh to vote for recommended candidates.

2246
03:28:25,279 --> 03:28:30,880
That is true
>> but I don't believe that our written

2247
03:28:28,080 --> 03:28:34,880
rules should necessarily rely on our
studiousness or on individual vigilance.

2248
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:40,160
Right? So good governance is about safe
rails and structure so that authority

2249
03:28:37,840 --> 03:28:44,479
accountability remain clear regardless
of who sits in these seats 101 15 years

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03:28:42,319 --> 03:28:48,479
from now. So what I don't want to see
happen is a situation where we get

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03:28:46,000 --> 03:28:52,560
ourselves into another issue because
we've created yet another echo chamber

2252
03:28:50,560 --> 03:28:55,760
because boards are able to firmly
recommend and then future councils

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03:28:54,399 --> 03:29:00,000
perhaps rubber stamp those
recommendations. So I'm going to I'm

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03:28:57,600 --> 03:29:05,520
going to take a shot at this. Um I have
an amendment that deals with three lines

2255
03:29:03,680 --> 03:29:10,319
» in this and I've sh I've shared it with
staff. Um section

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03:29:07,279 --> 03:29:16,160
» uh it is section it's rule 27F
>> and then um rule 27 F2.

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03:29:14,399 --> 03:29:19,439
So and I shared this with staff so I
think they have a copy. It's actually an

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03:29:17,439 --> 03:29:23,680
amendment that's kind of in three parts,
but what it would do is essentially

2259
03:29:21,200 --> 03:29:31,040
eliminate and this is the discussion is
like is the formal recommendations piece

2260
03:29:26,160 --> 03:29:34,640
is is so that it would strike um this
amendment that I shared with staff would

2261
03:29:32,560 --> 03:29:38,640
strike the phrase and provide a written
recommendation to council.

2262
03:29:36,399 --> 03:29:43,359
» It would strike the phrase but final
recommendation shall be made by the

2263
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:47,279
board as a whole. And then it strikes um
all applicants and interview materials

2264
03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:51,920
for EL oh sorry it adds doesn't strike
it adds the following subsection excuse

2265
03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:56,560
me um it adds a subsection that says
essentially all applicants and interview

2266
03:29:54,560 --> 03:30:00,560
materials for all eligible applicants
including interview recordings score

2267
03:29:58,479 --> 03:30:04,560
sheets or other documentation shall be
forwarded to city council but the board

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03:30:02,239 --> 03:30:10,000
shall not make a formal recommendation
and um I would entertain a second for

2269
03:30:07,600 --> 03:30:15,680
discussion at least second. Thank you,
Mayor Prom. I appreciate it. Um,

2270
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:19,600
» could I add one one thought to your
motion, Council Member

2271
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:22,080
» Marcing? Thank you. I did note one other
spot that we we overlooked.

2272
03:30:21,520 --> 03:30:25,479
» Okay.
>> It's 27F.

2273
03:30:25,840 --> 03:30:32,160
» Um, does it the towards the end of there
it says together with written

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03:30:30,560 --> 03:30:33,600
recommendation from the board.
>> Yeah.

2275
03:30:32,560 --> 03:30:40,080
» So, I would just
>> I would take that as just to just to

2276
03:30:35,840 --> 03:30:45,279
have the conversation. So, um I I
believe

2277
03:30:41,680 --> 03:30:49,840
that council as the appointing authority
should be clear and unambiguous in how

2278
03:30:46,960 --> 03:30:52,479
we approach this conversation. Um I love
that boards are going to help evaluate

2279
03:30:51,200 --> 03:30:57,040
these candidates. I love that we've
empowered them to take that process on

2280
03:30:54,560 --> 03:31:02,080
fully and to ask the questions and
develop the the the feedback that they

2281
03:30:59,200 --> 03:31:06,880
want to bring. But if I really believe
if we want to avoid some of the

2282
03:31:03,600 --> 03:31:11,359
challenges we have had um in this recent
period, the one of the better ways to do

2283
03:31:09,359 --> 03:31:15,840
that is to make sure that council is the
ultimate appointing authority is is the

2284
03:31:13,600 --> 03:31:19,600
only frankly appointing authority and
not the board itself. That would also

2285
03:31:17,439 --> 03:31:22,960
return us to the norm that existed prior
to that rules of procedure change.

2286
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:30,600
Something that council has done in the
past consistently. So that is the the

2287
03:31:26,239 --> 03:31:30,600
motion that that I have the amendment.

2288
03:31:30,720 --> 03:31:34,439
» Council member Christ.

2289
03:31:35,359 --> 03:31:46,160
» Uh well this is perhaps the right time
to bring it up is I have another

2290
03:31:39,600 --> 03:31:52,080
adjustment. Um for let's see
section F number three. It was my

2291
03:31:49,120 --> 03:31:59,040
understanding that we would the um video
would be available to all of council and

2292
03:31:55,760 --> 03:32:06,080
so I was going to add or change the
language in number three to be um be

2293
03:32:02,560 --> 03:32:09,680
recorded with video and audio that is
made available for council review

2294
03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:13,279
» and strike whenever possible.
>> And strike whenever possible.

2295
03:32:11,200 --> 03:32:15,760
» Mayor Mayor has a point of parliamentary
procedure here.

2296
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:18,160
» Yeah, I know. I think we probably need
to wait.

2297
03:32:16,319 --> 03:32:20,160
» Yes. Yeah. But that is why I had my
light on. Okay. So, we can do it

2298
03:32:19,680 --> 03:32:25,439
separately.
>> Okay. Well, let's just speak to the um

2299
03:32:22,800 --> 03:32:27,439
» the motion council member. Yes. Got it.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

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03:32:26,000 --> 03:32:31,920
» I generally agree with what you're
saying, councelor Marsing.

2301
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:34,160
» Okay. So, um did you have any comments
to what he said?

2302
03:32:32,720 --> 03:32:37,760
» Yeah. I'm just saying I generally agree
with

2303
03:32:34,399 --> 03:32:41,760
» generally agree. Okay. So before um I'm
going to kick it back to council member

2304
03:32:39,760 --> 03:32:46,080
Marcine
>> because it did look like you were not

2305
03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:48,239
done with your amendments or are you
done?

2306
03:32:46,720 --> 03:32:51,840
» I was just going to I was going to do a
separate amendment that does exactly

2307
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:56,080
what council member Chris just talked
about because I caught that as well.

2308
03:32:53,359 --> 03:32:59,920
» Okay. So um Don, would you like for us
to vote on these separately or as a

2309
03:32:58,960 --> 03:33:01,680
unit?
>> I think

2310
03:33:00,560 --> 03:33:05,439
» we're saying separately.
>> Okay. Well, hold on. I'm going to ask D

2311
03:33:03,040 --> 03:33:09,120
on [laughter] your she's large and in
charge.

2312
03:33:05,920 --> 03:33:12,399
» We we have um the wording and council
member Marcing was kind enough to email

2313
03:33:11,200 --> 03:33:14,640
and we have discussed that. So I think
if you if we approach that one first.

2314
03:33:14,239 --> 03:33:19,040
» Okay.
>> And then any additional after that?

2315
03:33:16,960 --> 03:33:22,319
» We will do it afterwards.
>> Y thank you.

2316
03:33:20,000 --> 03:33:27,840
» Okay. And then council member Popkin, do
you have a um question on the amendments

2317
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:30,960
that council member Marcen has
presented?

2318
03:33:29,520 --> 03:33:35,359
Yeah. Not so much a question as a
comment, but discussing that specific

2319
03:33:33,200 --> 03:33:38,880
amendment. Yes.
>> Okay.

2320
03:33:36,239 --> 03:33:42,080
» Okay. Um I I appreciate the spirit of
what council member Marcing is coming at

2321
03:33:40,399 --> 03:33:45,600
with this. I think we actually had this
conversation somewhat at length at the

2322
03:33:44,000 --> 03:33:50,319
the last time we discussed these rules
and procedures. And I I worry that we

2323
03:33:48,720 --> 03:33:56,640
are
in in our quest already to re reapproach

2324
03:33:53,600 --> 03:33:59,200
one of the the perhaps uh boards most in
question of why we're making some of

2325
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:04,239
these changes. I worry that we're
overcorrecting here and disempowering

2326
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:08,000
our all of the other boards that are
really putting in their time and spirit

2327
03:34:05,840 --> 03:34:12,640
and to council member PTO's comment
earlier today that are volunteering

2328
03:34:09,680 --> 03:34:18,080
their time and energy and passion um for
for uh service to our community and

2329
03:34:15,279 --> 03:34:21,840
city. Um, so I I I don't think uh
council member Marc is intending to

2330
03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:24,479
disempower anyone here and I think he's
just trying to kind of put in some

2331
03:34:22,960 --> 03:34:27,840
guardrails which is commendable but I
don't think they are necessary and I

2332
03:34:26,239 --> 03:34:32,880
think the guardrail that we put in place
by having the council liaison be part of

2333
03:34:30,160 --> 03:34:38,399
the interview process for each of these
is a new is an update and a guardrail in

2334
03:34:36,080 --> 03:34:44,160
of itself to some of the very concerns
that council member Mars adequately and

2335
03:34:40,800 --> 03:34:47,760
aptly um has raised. So I think we
actually addressed some of that. I I

2336
03:34:45,840 --> 03:34:53,120
worry about
disempowering a board on an advisory

2337
03:34:49,680 --> 03:34:56,960
role anyway when we are truly the beall
endall decision maker on who gets

2338
03:34:54,800 --> 03:35:03,359
appointed. That's all I have to say.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Um, do we have

2339
03:34:59,920 --> 03:35:10,800
any comments, questions, or are we ready
to vote on amending the language?

2340
03:35:08,640 --> 03:35:20,000
Okay.
So, the motion was made to amend rule 27

2341
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:23,840
section F. I think that was the only
>> F2 and I think

2342
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:26,399
» F. Yep. F2.
>> F5

2343
03:35:24,640 --> 03:35:31,279
» and F5 and F5
>> and add F6

2344
03:35:27,920 --> 03:35:34,800
» and add an F6. Um, okay. And the motion
was made by Council Member Marcy,

2345
03:35:32,960 --> 03:35:38,200
seconded by Council Member McCoy. Let's
go ahead and vote.

2346
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:51,600
Okay. And that carries 5 to2 with
council members Popkin and Prietto in

2347
03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:56,560
opposition. And then
um go ahead. I think did you have a

2348
03:35:54,880 --> 03:36:05,840
second
>> motion? Council member.

2349
03:36:00,319 --> 03:36:15,120
» Okay. Um Council Member Chris, go ahead.
So I would move that we [sighs]

2350
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:22,640
change the text on section F3
to read be recorded with video and audio

2351
03:36:19,920 --> 03:36:26,880
that is made available for council
review and I did send this text to

2352
03:36:25,279 --> 03:36:32,160
Michelle.
>> Okay. Um do we have a a second on that

2353
03:36:30,720 --> 03:36:37,600
amendment?
>> Clarifying question. Um, okay. Well,

2354
03:36:34,560 --> 03:36:43,520
I'll second it and then let's open it up
for discussion.

2355
03:36:39,520 --> 03:36:49,200
Um, and um, Mayor Pro.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, [snorts] Council

2356
03:36:45,600 --> 03:36:55,359
Member, uh, Christ. Um, there are
occasions where things don't work, and

2357
03:36:52,399 --> 03:36:59,680
that's my concern. It's not that I don't
completely agree with you on this. I

2358
03:36:57,359 --> 03:37:04,080
mean, we've got uh that, but
occasionally, you know, once in a while

2359
03:37:02,080 --> 03:37:10,560
we see it here at council where
something doesn't go right. Correct,

2360
03:37:06,319 --> 03:37:16,880
Dallas? And uh and uh and you can talk
to Sergio at Longmont Public Media would

2361
03:37:14,239 --> 03:37:23,760
also agree it's a little bit beyond
their control. Uh I kind of felt like

2362
03:37:20,239 --> 03:37:27,040
that was the intention of of this. It
wasn't like they were going to be like,

2363
03:37:25,200 --> 03:37:34,560
"Hey, this week we're not going to do
it." It's it's like if something goes

2364
03:37:30,160 --> 03:37:40,640
wrong, u you know, then
we we wouldn't be uh in violation of our

2365
03:37:38,720 --> 03:37:45,200
own ordinance
sort of thing is my only thinking. And

2366
03:37:42,960 --> 03:37:50,960
it's not that I don't see your point. I
do. I think it's a very valid point. But

2367
03:37:48,000 --> 03:37:55,279
it uh uh and I think most of them all
are. But then we just also went into

2368
03:37:53,520 --> 03:38:02,720
this thing of how we are contractually
agree working with Longmont Public Media

2369
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:10,800
who does a lot of this recording and
it's not I don't do this part. Okay. Um

2370
03:38:07,279 --> 03:38:14,640
» because I'm trying to think. Okay. So
>> it wouldn't have an effect on that.

2371
03:38:12,479 --> 03:38:19,200
Okay. I just didn't didn't want to be
one of those situations where it's like

2372
03:38:16,479 --> 03:38:23,439
someone's sick, didn't get the to this
board or commission to record that.

2373
03:38:21,760 --> 03:38:28,080
» Sometimes things don't work. You are
absolutely correct, Mayor Prom.

2374
03:38:25,760 --> 03:38:34,640
» And I guess maybe if there's some sort
of way of of not having us in violation

2375
03:38:31,840 --> 03:38:38,880
if if something
doesn't go right, I I'd like that to be

2376
03:38:37,439 --> 03:38:42,239
considered.
>> Okay. Might I ask a question of council

2377
03:38:40,960 --> 03:38:45,520
member Marcing?
>> My laptop died.

2378
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:49,680
» Otherwise, I'd look at this.
>> Could you read the additional wording

2379
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:51,600
section six that we
>> Do you have that in front?

2380
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:55,840
» Yeah, I do.
>> I I my thinking was that that covers the

2381
03:38:55,120 --> 03:38:57,840
addition that
>> the one we passed a second ago?

2382
03:38:57,359 --> 03:39:04,560
» Yep.
>> Okay. What you had and this um

2383
03:39:02,000 --> 03:39:07,840
related to this tech issue or related to
the one we just passed, right? that all

2384
03:39:06,399 --> 03:39:11,760
what you we just passed
>> all application all applications and

2385
03:39:10,080 --> 03:39:15,760
interview materials for all eligible
applicants including interview

2386
03:39:13,760 --> 03:39:18,960
recordings score sheets or other
documentation shall be forwarded to city

2387
03:39:17,600 --> 03:39:21,600
council but the board shall not make a
formal recommendation

2388
03:39:20,880 --> 03:39:24,800
» and if I
>> and that includes interview recordings

2389
03:39:23,120 --> 03:39:28,000
» and it says recordings I thought we
added recordings there so I was

2390
03:39:26,160 --> 03:39:31,520
wondering if that did not
>> cover the motion you're trying to make

2391
03:39:30,080 --> 03:39:34,560
here or
>> maybe maybe council sorry is it okay

2392
03:39:33,439 --> 03:39:38,399
mayor if I because this was going to be
my if I'm recognized or no.

2393
03:39:36,399 --> 03:39:40,960
» So, um, you're still recognized.
>> Oh, thank you. Yeah. I just had a

2394
03:39:39,920 --> 03:39:43,040
question for council member Chris. I
wonder if we could

2395
03:39:42,239 --> 03:39:47,279
» uh Yeah, go ahead.
>> potentially make this simpler and just

2396
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:49,439
strike whenever possible.
>> So, do you have a friendly amendment for

2397
03:39:49,040 --> 03:39:53,920
that?
>> Yeah, a friendly I if you would accept

2398
03:39:51,920 --> 03:39:58,399
that as a as an amendment to strike
whenever possible from 27F-3.

2399
03:39:56,960 --> 03:40:01,520
So, we just take out that whenever
possible language so that the clear

2400
03:39:59,840 --> 03:40:06,880
intent of the policy is that
>> be recorded with video and audio.

2401
03:40:03,279 --> 03:40:13,920
» Yep. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yes, I would agree with that amendment.

2402
03:40:10,000 --> 03:40:20,399
» Okay. So, we have an open
>> motion to amend

2403
03:40:17,279 --> 03:40:23,840
um F3
and strike the language whenever

2404
03:40:22,319 --> 03:40:30,600
possible.
Okay. So, seeing no one else in the

2405
03:40:26,160 --> 03:40:30,600
queue, let's go ahead and vote.

2406
03:40:33,040 --> 03:40:40,120
And I had seconded it yet.
>> Okay, there we go.

2407
03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:49,040
» Okay. And that carries unanimously. And
now we're on to actually the main,

2408
03:40:46,319 --> 03:40:53,439
right? or is it
>> so because it's consent agenda so just

2409
03:40:51,040 --> 03:40:58,479
like a procedural question do we need to
vote

2410
03:40:55,439 --> 03:41:03,439
on item D as it stand
>> to approve the amend the changes to

2411
03:41:01,520 --> 03:41:08,080
council rule of procedure as amended
>> as amended yes

2412
03:41:04,239 --> 03:41:09,600
» as advisable yes item D
as

2413
03:41:08,960 --> 03:41:16,960
» as amended
>> as amended second okay so I heard him

2414
03:41:12,800 --> 03:41:23,920
like a hair hair second sooner so Um the
motion to approve um amend the amendment

2415
03:41:20,880 --> 03:41:29,200
to rule 27 with amendments has been made
by Mayor Prom McCoy and seconded by

2416
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:31,200
council member Marcine. Um did you have
one more quickly?

2417
03:41:30,160 --> 03:41:34,319
» Oh yeah.
>> Thank you mayor. I just wanted to thank

2418
03:41:32,399 --> 03:41:38,640
this council for a lot of sausage making
that's gone on here and we have proven

2419
03:41:37,040 --> 03:41:42,560
we're very bad at that. But I actually
think we got to a really I no I think we

2420
03:41:40,800 --> 03:41:47,279
got to a really good place here where
the boards remain empowered to carry out

2421
03:41:44,479 --> 03:41:50,479
this process and provide input and we
are enforcing accountability. I

2422
03:41:49,040 --> 03:41:55,920
appreciated council member Popkins
thoughts last time around around um

2423
03:41:52,960 --> 03:42:00,160
board process. So I just I was I'm I I
want to just thank everybody for working

2424
03:41:57,439 --> 03:42:03,120
through it because I I know editing
lines and language is not always easy.

2425
03:42:01,920 --> 03:42:06,960
So I just wanted to thank my council
teammates.

2426
03:42:04,319 --> 03:42:10,640
» Thank you. Um, Council Member Popkin,
and then we'll vote.

2427
03:42:08,560 --> 03:42:14,080
» Yeah, thanks. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I
appreciate the discussion, too. I think

2428
03:42:11,920 --> 03:42:18,080
these were some uh good conversations
tonight. Um, I think we have a problem,

2429
03:42:16,640 --> 03:42:23,520
and before we vote on this, I wanted to
flag it here. Here is where I understand

2430
03:42:20,720 --> 03:42:28,880
the process is now. We are now asking
boards to do all the work, to review all

2431
03:42:27,040 --> 03:42:32,800
the applications, to come up with the
interview questions, to do the

2432
03:42:30,640 --> 03:42:36,479
interviews that are recorded, and then
to synthesize information for us. but

2433
03:42:34,640 --> 03:42:40,479
not to offer any recommendations.
>> Yeah.

2434
03:42:37,439 --> 03:42:43,680
» And that gives us just their information
from doing all of the work. We've cut

2435
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:47,359
out, we intentionally cut out our role
in this process from interviewing them

2436
03:42:45,120 --> 03:42:50,479
last time for efficiency and because we
thought we were going to have the

2437
03:42:48,160 --> 03:42:54,239
council leaison kind of oversee some of
this just to make sure that there wasn't

2438
03:42:51,840 --> 03:42:58,000
any funny business. And and now we're in
a situation where they're doing all the

2439
03:42:56,000 --> 03:43:01,439
work but don't have actually a voice in
this. And I think we've created a

2440
03:43:00,000 --> 03:43:05,600
problem for ourselves. And that doesn't
sit well with me. I I I'm I'm not sure

2441
03:43:03,920 --> 03:43:12,640
how to solve this because we just voted
on an amendment there and um and

2442
03:43:10,080 --> 03:43:16,080
it just it just we're we're trying to
respect and attract and recruit more

2443
03:43:14,399 --> 03:43:20,880
volunteers from different parts of our
community and now we're in a predicament

2444
03:43:18,239 --> 03:43:26,640
where we're stripping them of
their say of who is working with them on

2445
03:43:24,160 --> 03:43:30,239
these boards. I I appreciate council
member Marcing's concern about an echo

2446
03:43:28,080 --> 03:43:36,640
chamber, but we've seen to my knowledge
like one instance of that, maybe two in

2447
03:43:32,880 --> 03:43:42,160
like the last decade. And
if if if that is a bigger problem than I

2448
03:43:38,800 --> 03:43:44,800
know about, please correct me. But um I
think we're actually addressing the meat

2449
03:43:43,439 --> 03:43:48,880
of it with some of the separate work
that we're doing. And I think we're

2450
03:43:46,319 --> 03:43:52,640
creating a situation where our current
board members don't actually have a

2451
03:43:50,160 --> 03:43:55,920
voice in this. So, honestly, I love so
many of the changes we just made to this

2452
03:43:54,080 --> 03:43:59,920
process, but I don't like where I don't
like what the sausage is going to taste

2453
03:43:57,439 --> 03:44:05,199
like now. And and so, I'm going to have
to vote against this because I think it

2454
03:44:02,239 --> 03:44:10,239
doesn't actually it doesn't help the
board members help advise us best. And

2455
03:44:07,760 --> 03:44:14,479
that's literally like their intent. So,
that's all I have to say. I think we

2456
03:44:12,000 --> 03:44:18,479
real problem. Um, so I do want to, you
know, I think about I've been on council

2457
03:44:16,800 --> 03:44:23,439
since we made the change from the
council doing the interviews to the

2458
03:44:20,399 --> 03:44:30,319
process that we are now changing. So we
do have that option to see is this

2459
03:44:26,160 --> 03:44:37,840
working? Is this is this the best format
or do we need to go back come back in a

2460
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:42,720
year and re-evaluate this? Um, I am I
feel all right with the changes we've

2461
03:44:39,279 --> 03:44:47,359
made. Um, but I would like, you know,
let's let's see how this how this plays

2462
03:44:44,880 --> 03:44:53,199
out because we know the system we were
working with did not work. The first few

2463
03:44:50,880 --> 03:44:57,840
months that we did it, I gave it a
chance to see that it would work and I

2464
03:44:55,199 --> 03:45:02,880
you know coming in with an open mind and
um you know it was a couple of rounds of

2465
03:45:00,640 --> 03:45:07,040
interviews and then we realized okay
this is not

2466
03:45:05,279 --> 03:45:12,560
it's not working for us and it's causing
more of a a consternation than than a

2467
03:45:09,600 --> 03:45:16,080
resolution. So um I'm gonna go ahead and
pass it to Council Member Prito and

2468
03:45:15,040 --> 03:45:18,399
you've spoken twice.
>> Spoken once.

2469
03:45:16,720 --> 03:45:23,080
» You've spoken once on this. Okay. So,
I'll give it to you and then Brito.

2470
03:45:23,279 --> 03:45:27,040
» Okay.
>> Oh, no. It was Yeah, he was the next

2471
03:45:26,720 --> 03:45:30,560
one.
>> Oh. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I just wanted

2472
03:45:28,560 --> 03:45:34,000
to respond to Council Member Popkins
point, which is

2473
03:45:31,920 --> 03:45:37,760
» well taken. I I I I just strongly
disagree that we're not, you know, that

2474
03:45:36,160 --> 03:45:40,560
we're just asking boards to do all our
work and then not empowering them.

2475
03:45:38,880 --> 03:45:44,160
There's nothing in here that says that
they can't that, you know, they shape

2476
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:49,359
the questions. They shape the feedback
that we receive. they they shape all but

2477
03:45:47,359 --> 03:45:53,279
a formal recommendation. That's the only
thing in the code that we've changed is

2478
03:45:51,359 --> 03:45:57,120
is to say, you know, we're not going to
get on our packets anymore the big

2479
03:45:54,880 --> 03:46:00,880
bolded name that says this is the person
the board says you should choose. Um I

2480
03:45:59,279 --> 03:46:04,560
don't see that as the board doing all of
our work. I think it is up to us as

2481
03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:08,479
individual council members to do our due
diligence to provide and review the

2482
03:46:06,880 --> 03:46:12,319
resources that these boards are going to
give us and to make good choices that

2483
03:46:10,960 --> 03:46:17,680
ensure that the community is well
represented where council remains the

2484
03:46:14,000 --> 03:46:21,680
appointing authority um rather than the
the the rather than I think where yeah

2485
03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:26,960
I'll leave it there.
>> Great. Thank you council member Pietto.

2486
03:46:24,319 --> 03:46:33,520
» Um so I'm going to just I'm agreeing
with Matthew here. Um,

2487
03:46:30,160 --> 03:46:37,279
council member Marc, I just came off of
a board

2488
03:46:34,640 --> 03:46:41,231
» and there were nights I was thinking
like

2489
03:46:39,120 --> 03:46:44,880
I'm putting all this time and effort in
[laughter]

2490
03:46:42,560 --> 03:46:50,000
and and and there were times where like
I felt like, you know, is is my voice

2491
03:46:48,399 --> 03:46:54,331
valued
even as just a recommendation and then

2492
03:46:52,800 --> 03:46:56,960
we're taking that away from them.
[laughter]

2493
03:46:55,600 --> 03:47:02,399
And that's and those were real
conversations that I had with my

2494
03:46:58,800 --> 03:47:08,239
husband, with um family just around like
my expertise, the time that I'm putting

2495
03:47:04,239 --> 03:47:14,239
in. Um you know, I I came we did
applications, we screened applications,

2496
03:47:10,080 --> 03:47:18,960
it was extra time. And so I'm
100% in agreement with Matthew here.

2497
03:47:16,800 --> 03:47:25,279
Again, I'm I'm coming from somebody who
served on a board most recently for the

2498
03:47:21,920 --> 03:47:29,199
last I don't know 3, four years. um
having felt like even you know in some

2499
03:47:27,199 --> 03:47:33,279
of the language like even how they would
put it just like it is just a

2500
03:47:31,040 --> 03:47:37,760
recommendation like you guys don't you
know even some of that language felt

2501
03:47:35,359 --> 03:47:42,880
kind of like okay well then then can I
be utilizing my time somewhere else

2502
03:47:39,680 --> 03:47:47,760
where I feel maybe I have more impact
and say and so you know I know it

2503
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:53,920
doesn't seem like that to you um council
member Marcen but it very much is that

2504
03:47:50,880 --> 03:47:58,560
um and I and I and I can't speak for all
board members and neither can you,

2505
03:47:56,560 --> 03:48:02,880
right? You can only speak from your
perspective. But what I can say as a

2506
03:48:01,120 --> 03:48:08,239
board member is I felt like that many
times where I questioned my value on

2507
03:48:05,920 --> 03:48:11,920
that board and whether it could be, you
know, I could be utilized somewhere

2508
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:18,800
else. And so I'm going to be denying
this. Um I feel like the recommendation

2509
03:48:14,880 --> 03:48:23,680
piece is huge. I just argued with mayor
pro [laughter]

2510
03:48:20,880 --> 03:48:27,120
about the voting and the say and member,
you know, with the the the board

2511
03:48:25,120 --> 03:48:31,920
appointment because it is that much it
is that important to me as a person

2512
03:48:29,308 --> 03:48:35,760
[snorts] to have a say to know that my
voice is heard to know that the time and

2513
03:48:34,080 --> 03:48:40,160
effort that I'm putting in is actually
going toward

2514
03:48:37,680 --> 03:48:44,479
it's moving something even if it is just
a recommendation. And so I just want you

2515
03:48:43,040 --> 03:48:48,640
to understand it from that aspect and
I'm hoping the other council members see

2516
03:48:46,640 --> 03:48:51,840
it from that perspective as well. Hear
it from someone who just served on a

2517
03:48:50,160 --> 03:48:55,279
board for a really long time. Hear it
from someone who put that time in and

2518
03:48:53,359 --> 03:48:58,880
and vote against this as well. So
>> Okay. Thank you.

2519
03:48:56,720 --> 03:49:03,279
» And just a last note, we're dissolving
the airport board. Yeah.

2520
03:49:00,319 --> 03:49:06,560
» So I don't I don't know why the extra
and additional changes are being made at

2521
03:49:05,840 --> 03:49:11,040
all.
>> Thank you. Um, I think it was looking at

2522
03:49:09,279 --> 03:49:15,920
the process of a as a whole, not
necessarily one one board. Council

2523
03:49:13,359 --> 03:49:20,160
member uh Kulkoffer.
>> Thank you, mayor, and uh thank you,

2524
03:49:17,439 --> 03:49:26,319
fellow council members. Um, there's a
lot of great debates tonight and my mind

2525
03:49:22,640 --> 03:49:29,680
is uh spinning a lot and for one minute
I think I I know where I stand and then

2526
03:49:28,160 --> 03:49:34,720
somebody else speaks and then I'm kind
of on shaky ground again. Um, I also

2527
03:49:31,920 --> 03:49:40,319
just came off of a board and we recently
did interviews and you're right, it was

2528
03:49:37,199 --> 03:49:47,040
empowering and I felt proud to do the
recommendation. Um, but I don't know the

2529
03:49:44,319 --> 03:49:52,720
boards would still do
>> the ranking and provide their input.

2530
03:49:50,399 --> 03:49:57,199
Correct. They're just not formally
saying, "Hey, these are the people."

2531
03:49:54,720 --> 03:50:02,640
» So, they are still ranking it and
ranking the candidates. and we can see

2532
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:07,359
where they're leaning towards
>> to say like, hey, like this person we

2533
03:50:05,520 --> 03:50:11,359
think is a strong fit. They're just not
formally highlighting names to say these

2534
03:50:09,760 --> 03:50:16,720
are the people we want you to select.
>> But how do you say that? So, I I think

2535
03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:20,720
what what my understanding was, and I'm
going to interject in here, my

2536
03:50:18,560 --> 03:50:25,920
understanding is when that cover letter
comes to us, and correct me if I'm

2537
03:50:23,120 --> 03:50:31,279
wrong, but that they would have a list
of, you know, all the applicants that

2538
03:50:28,479 --> 03:50:36,160
they interviewed with, you know, first,
second, third, fourth in that order.

2539
03:50:34,880 --> 03:50:40,000
» What clarification like
>> that? Hold on, hold on. So, I'm going to

2540
03:50:38,239 --> 03:50:42,560
let Don answer first and then I'll come
back to you. hold on to your

2541
03:50:41,520 --> 03:50:46,720
certification.
>> Thank you, mayor. Think the way I

2542
03:50:44,880 --> 03:50:50,399
understood that kind of in my mind, how
I was seeing that was we would give you

2543
03:50:48,880 --> 03:50:52,399
all of the materials. Yes.
>> And there would no longer be a cover

2544
03:50:51,920 --> 03:50:55,120
letter.
>> Okay.

2545
03:50:53,040 --> 03:50:58,880
» That that recommendation sheet goes
away.

2546
03:50:56,319 --> 03:51:04,640
» Um but you would get the application,
the recordings, the score sheet, and and

2547
03:51:02,160 --> 03:51:09,920
of course your recommendation from your
>> leazison who participated as well. um

2548
03:51:07,680 --> 03:51:12,239
and and use that information to arrive
at your conclusion.

2549
03:51:11,840 --> 03:51:15,439
» Okay.
>> You would still get in your packet the

2550
03:51:13,760 --> 03:51:19,760
list of vacancies. Yes.
>> And the list of applicants and and

2551
03:51:17,279 --> 03:51:23,120
notations that Michelle does about
>> if somebody's applied for two different

2552
03:51:21,520 --> 03:51:25,520
seats or, you know, if they're a
returning applicant, those kinds of

2553
03:51:25,199 --> 03:51:27,439
things.
>> Those kinds of things would still

2554
03:51:26,560 --> 03:51:29,680
provide that.
>> Yes.

2555
03:51:27,840 --> 03:51:33,120
» But the the letter from the board that
says we recommend Bob.

2556
03:51:31,520 --> 03:51:37,680
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So I I guess I was thinking and I

2557
03:51:35,760 --> 03:51:41,040
don't know if maybe it got lost in the
conversation because I think of our

2558
03:51:39,279 --> 03:51:45,279
conversations were pretty
>> pretty heavy but I thought there would

2559
03:51:42,720 --> 03:51:49,680
be just a list of you know we've
interviewed these people and then just

2560
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:54,000
have their in order all the way from the
beginning to the end. Um,

2561
03:51:52,880 --> 03:51:58,160
» okay.
>> So,

2562
03:51:55,040 --> 03:52:00,880
» now, yes. Um, Council Member Popkin,
>> I guess I'm trying to understand where

2563
03:51:59,520 --> 03:52:04,080
where we are, and it builds on what you
were just getting at, mayor. Like,

2564
03:52:02,640 --> 03:52:07,920
» my understanding is there was no
recommendation made on candidates from

2565
03:52:06,399 --> 03:52:13,439
the board. That was the language that
was voted on before as an amendment. A

2566
03:52:11,040 --> 03:52:17,920
ranking to my mind would constitute a
recommendation. And so I wanted to

2567
03:52:15,359 --> 03:52:23,199
understand is that like what is I think
Don just clarified it maybe but just for

2568
03:52:20,239 --> 03:52:26,479
for the entire council's clarity here is
there a ranking that's provided is there

2569
03:52:24,800 --> 03:52:28,479
any normative judgment that is made
through this process based on the

2570
03:52:27,840 --> 03:52:34,680
current language
>> sorry not

2571
03:52:31,680 --> 03:52:34,680
» so

2572
03:52:34,720 --> 03:52:40,720
» yeah I thought that there was a but
isn't there a rubric that they fill out

2573
03:52:38,160 --> 03:52:45,439
like I'm going back to when we did our
when we took over doing all the board

2574
03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:48,880
appointments We actually had a rubric
that had the rankings. So, will we be

2575
03:52:48,080 --> 03:52:52,319
able to see those?
>> You would get all of the materials that

2576
03:52:50,399 --> 03:52:56,960
that were used when they interviewed.
Right. Okay. So, the the rules say rule

2577
03:52:54,560 --> 03:53:00,160
F5 says talks about scoring sheets.
>> Yes.

2578
03:52:57,439 --> 03:53:05,040
» So, there would be scoring sheets.
>> It's just it's not going to be laid out

2579
03:53:02,479 --> 03:53:09,040
that but we can analyze. Oh, they rank
this individual higher

2580
03:53:07,359 --> 03:53:12,880
» and issues with this
>> and then they Yeah. So, we would be able

2581
03:53:11,040 --> 03:53:17,040
to see the notes that they took.
>> Correct. like an interview pro I sort of

2582
03:53:15,199 --> 03:53:19,600
view you all as HR in the interview
process. Yes.

2583
03:53:18,000 --> 03:53:22,000
» Where we're required to give you all the
things we used. Okay. To interview those

2584
03:53:21,439 --> 03:53:26,080
applicants.
>> I guess that's where that ranking piece

2585
03:53:24,319 --> 03:53:32,640
came to me. It would be coming from the
scoring sheet. So we would be able to

2586
03:53:28,319 --> 03:53:38,560
see how the inter interview interviewers
ranked the interviewees. Yes. The

2587
03:53:34,960 --> 03:53:41,680
applicants. So then we can
>> be an analysis. It wouldn't be an

2588
03:53:40,319 --> 03:53:46,319
recommendation letter or anything like
that. It would just be the raw tool.

2589
03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:51,760
» The raw tool. Okay. Um so, Council
Member Prietto and then um Popkin,

2590
03:53:49,439 --> 03:53:55,439
» just a quick comment. Um
>> so,

2591
03:53:53,359 --> 03:54:01,120
so they don't provide recommendations to
us for board appointments, but they

2592
03:53:58,960 --> 03:54:06,399
provide recommendations on everything
else

2593
03:54:02,720 --> 03:54:10,880
like applica like funding like so I just
served on housing human services,

2594
03:54:08,720 --> 03:54:15,040
» right? and then they they recommend
these are the agencies

2595
03:54:13,120 --> 03:54:20,560
we fund. So
>> So we're saying you can recommend

2596
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:22,960
» everything else but you can't recommend
board appointments. So I just wanted to

2597
03:54:22,080 --> 03:54:25,359
point that out.
>> That is a good point. two.

2598
03:54:24,479 --> 03:54:28,000
» Yeah.
um

2599
03:54:25,920 --> 03:54:33,120
» gota give credit where credit is due
>> as far as um

2600
03:54:30,800 --> 03:54:39,199
» the the verbiage like so if it is not a
rec I want my council members who are

2601
03:54:36,160 --> 03:54:44,800
for this to say that in a sentence to a
board member without sounding

2602
03:54:42,720 --> 03:54:49,520
demeaning
like I don't know how how would you how

2603
03:54:46,880 --> 03:54:54,720
would you say so we're going to have you
guys do the interviews this is the

2604
03:54:52,239 --> 03:55:00,239
process and then you're going going to
rank people and then we'll send it to

2605
03:54:56,880 --> 03:55:03,840
council is that like so just so I'm just
trying to also think of like the

2606
03:55:01,920 --> 03:55:09,279
language of how we're going to explain
that to board how staff leaison are

2607
03:55:06,239 --> 03:55:12,800
supposed to explain that without seeming
you know taking that power or seeming

2608
03:55:11,120 --> 03:55:16,239
demeaning but I just wanted to raise
those two points is how is that going to

2609
03:55:14,160 --> 03:55:20,479
sound in a sentence and if they're able
to recommend everything else to us why

2610
03:55:18,880 --> 03:55:27,202
are we taking their power to recommend
an appointment um and I would like to

2611
03:55:25,199 --> 03:55:33,199
vote no on this and move along.
[laughter]

2612
03:55:27,439 --> 03:55:38,880
» Okay. So, um very good. Yeah. Um Council
Member Popkin, is this your second time?

2613
03:55:36,640 --> 03:55:42,800
» This will be your third time. Yeah.
>> On this topic. No, I think

2614
03:55:40,080 --> 03:55:46,560
» Well, no, not on this the final, not the
final in the amendments. Go ahead.

2615
03:55:45,279 --> 03:55:51,120
» This is this is quick. Just building on
what council member Prito was just

2616
03:55:48,000 --> 03:55:55,680
saying. Um, now I'm understanding this
to mean they are scoring individual

2617
03:55:53,760 --> 03:56:02,239
applicants but somehow just not
providing a summary of how they scored.

2618
03:55:58,880 --> 03:56:05,600
Like I is that where we are at now that
they are using a rubric to score

2619
03:56:03,840 --> 03:56:09,120
applicants and now just not saying well
here's the list of how they scored in

2620
03:56:07,040 --> 03:56:12,640
this order. Like is that is that what
we're being handed? I am now very

2621
03:56:10,479 --> 03:56:17,600
confused as to what we're getting of
information and how it is materially

2622
03:56:15,040 --> 03:56:23,920
different from a a scoring and a
recommendation or or from an overall

2623
03:56:19,920 --> 03:56:27,520
recommendation and and it just it feels
like we're trying to solve a problem

2624
03:56:25,520 --> 03:56:32,479
that does not exist consistently across
the board pun intended.

2625
03:56:29,600 --> 03:56:36,560
» Thank you. Um uh Mayor Prom
>> I have Thank you, Mayor. I absolutely

2626
03:56:34,319 --> 03:56:42,160
disagree that it's you there's this
perception that uh uh it's not across

2627
03:56:39,600 --> 03:56:50,160
the board in many boards and commissions
it it is the case and what you're having

2628
03:56:45,920 --> 03:56:56,399
with some of these boards um
is uh where they all rank them and then

2629
03:56:53,439 --> 03:57:01,359
they all come together and say well
these are the top two that we want and

2630
03:56:59,199 --> 03:57:06,160
that's the ranking opposed to just
having the people that interview them,

2631
03:57:03,760 --> 03:57:10,560
score them, and uh and when they're
done, uh the board doesn't give a

2632
03:57:09,040 --> 03:57:15,920
recommendation
uh at all. It's just uh you can look at

2633
03:57:13,920 --> 03:57:22,640
their scoring from an individual point
of view, the the council leazison and

2634
03:57:19,359 --> 03:57:28,560
maybe two uh other members of the board.
But what was happening is even though in

2635
03:57:25,760 --> 03:57:33,680
some cases we never saw the real ranking
part of it, we just saw the end result

2636
03:57:30,239 --> 03:57:41,439
of the the uh of the board's
recommendation. Often times that was a

2637
03:57:36,720 --> 03:57:49,279
uh a recommendation that uh uh may have
or may not have been consistent with uh

2638
03:57:45,199 --> 03:57:54,800
with high uh high you know evaluation
scoring. So, and I really want to make

2639
03:57:52,160 --> 03:58:00,399
it very clear there's some sort of
bizarre thing going on here that you

2640
03:57:56,960 --> 03:58:05,600
there's folks thinking that somehow uh
this one isolated situation

2641
03:58:03,680 --> 03:58:11,359
is somehow going to be some sort of
cascading waterfall of change of all

2642
03:58:09,439 --> 03:58:15,520
kinds of boards which is absolutely
positively unequivocally not the case at

2643
03:58:14,319 --> 03:58:21,920
all.
We have a situation where we had to take

2644
03:58:19,439 --> 03:58:26,720
something in hand and I just am really
shocked and surprised that people can't

2645
03:58:24,000 --> 03:58:31,680
grasp that that we absolutely had to
take a situation uh with the board in

2646
03:58:29,680 --> 03:58:37,600
hand. We're not doing that across the
board with anything else and it's not

2647
03:58:34,000 --> 03:58:44,000
the sort of uh uh situation where we're
uh you know picking winners and losers.

2648
03:58:41,520 --> 03:58:52,160
We had a situation that had been decades
in the making. Decades. Not just not

2649
03:58:48,479 --> 03:58:57,600
just a one meeting, one sort of one off.
It was decades in the making. And and

2650
03:58:55,439 --> 03:59:01,600
I'm tired of hearing it's somehow acting
like this is some sort of universal

2651
03:58:59,520 --> 03:59:04,640
thing because that is just a disconnect
with reality.

2652
03:59:02,800 --> 03:59:09,600
» Okay. Thank you. I'm going to call the
question. I feel like we've people have

2653
03:59:06,960 --> 03:59:12,720
made up their minds. Um and we're going
to go ahead and vote.

2654
03:59:26,080 --> 03:59:34,560
Okay. And so the motion carries um four
to three with council members Christrist

2655
03:59:31,760 --> 03:59:41,359
um Popkin and Prito in opposition. Okay.
So now we're moving on to

2656
03:59:38,560 --> 03:59:47,520
general business.
Um, let's see. Citizen initiated land

2657
03:59:44,640 --> 03:59:51,439
development code text amendment referral
to allow contractor shop to be a

2658
03:59:49,439 --> 03:59:56,720
permitted use within the mixeduse
employment MUE zoning district and a

2659
03:59:54,880 --> 04:00:02,880
conditional secondary use within the
neighborhood professional employment NP

2660
04:00:00,319 --> 04:00:05,880
zoning district. Uh, thank you for your
patience.

2661
04:00:20,640 --> 04:00:24,479
Good evening, council members. My name
is Nathan Jones and I'm one of the

2662
04:00:23,199 --> 04:00:27,680
principal planners with the planning and
development services department. As you

2663
04:00:26,319 --> 04:00:31,760
mentioned, the first item that I'll be
presenting this evening is a citizen

2664
04:00:29,520 --> 04:00:36,680
initiated code amendment uh to land
development code regarding contractor

2665
04:00:33,680 --> 04:00:36,680
shops.

2666
04:00:38,720 --> 04:00:46,239
Uh by way of background, city staff met
with the applicant in September of 2025.

2667
04:00:43,680 --> 04:00:51,199
So last fall, we met with the applicant
uh to discuss um generally contractor

2668
04:00:48,880 --> 04:00:56,319
shops, where they're allowed by right,
um what rules and regulations uh go into

2669
04:00:54,479 --> 04:01:01,439
um adding new contractor shops in other
parts of town. Um the applicant

2670
04:00:58,239 --> 04:01:06,399
expressed some interest um in uh
expanding that use and um better

2671
04:01:03,600 --> 04:01:10,319
understanding the process to uh amend
the land development code uh to again to

2672
04:01:08,800 --> 04:01:15,680
allow the use to be allowed in different
zoning districts. Um as we'll discuss a

2673
04:01:14,080 --> 04:01:21,199
little bit more uh further on in this
presentation, the uh use is only is it

2674
04:01:18,880 --> 04:01:25,279
it's considered a conditional use um in
only one zoning district, the mixed use

2675
04:01:22,880 --> 04:01:29,680
employment zoning district. Um and we
also walk the applicant through the text

2676
04:01:27,120 --> 04:01:34,160
amendment um process. The land
development code allows private parties

2677
04:01:31,279 --> 04:01:38,239
to initiate um LDC text amendments. The
first process in that is a referral. Um

2678
04:01:36,319 --> 04:01:41,439
so an applicant will first submit an
application for referral that will be

2679
04:01:39,680 --> 04:01:47,600
forwarded on to the city council. The
city council will then direct staff to

2680
04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:51,600
um use uh city resources to uh review
the request, develop a recommendation,

2681
04:01:49,680 --> 04:01:55,040
uh take it through any uh boards and
commissions that need to take a look at

2682
04:01:53,040 --> 04:02:00,160
it uh and then bring it back to city
council for ultimate approval. Um so

2683
04:01:57,600 --> 04:02:04,080
after we met with the applicant, uh they
submitted a formal request to begin

2684
04:02:02,399 --> 04:02:08,800
these proceedings in October of last
year. Uh due to the timing of um the

2685
04:02:06,720 --> 04:02:12,239
application being submitted, uh we made
the determination to wait till the

2686
04:02:10,319 --> 04:02:18,840
earliest available uh council meeting in
the new year. Uh and so that brings us

2687
04:02:14,080 --> 04:02:18,840
to this e this item this evening.

2688
04:02:19,520 --> 04:02:24,800
Uh to summarize the request, it's fairly
straightforward. Um, it is to allow

2689
04:02:23,040 --> 04:02:28,319
contractor shops as a permitted use in
the mixeduse employment zoning district

2690
04:02:26,399 --> 04:02:35,520
and to add it as a conditional secondary
use within the non-residential primary

2691
04:02:31,840 --> 04:02:39,120
uh uh employment zoning district. Uh,
land development code does have existing

2692
04:02:37,199 --> 04:02:42,960
language related to contractor shops.
Contractor shops are defined as an

2693
04:02:41,520 --> 04:02:46,800
establishment that provides a trade
service including but not limited to

2694
04:02:44,479 --> 04:02:51,199
plumbing, carpentry, glass glazing,
welding, sheet metal, electrical and

2695
04:02:48,479 --> 04:02:56,239
roofing surface services. The term
contractor shop includes construction uh

2696
04:02:53,840 --> 04:02:59,680
contractor's offices. As I mentioned
earlier, um it's only allowed as a

2697
04:02:58,000 --> 04:03:03,600
conditional use in one zoning district
that is the mixeduse employment zoning

2698
04:03:01,439 --> 04:03:08,160
district. It does include two use
specific standards. Uh the first use

2699
04:03:05,760 --> 04:03:12,399
specific standard is related to um any
property that's adjacent to um

2700
04:03:10,239 --> 04:03:16,080
city-owned greenways. Uh this standard
applies to many of the different uses in

2701
04:03:14,160 --> 04:03:20,160
the land development code and it's not
particularly relevant to this case. The

2702
04:03:18,239 --> 04:03:25,439
second standard does relate to outdoor
storage. Um, and it uh includes some

2703
04:03:23,279 --> 04:03:29,439
additional regulations uh related to the
height, size, and location of outdoor

2704
04:03:27,359 --> 04:03:33,279
storage for contractor shops. And that's
really what um gets us into the

2705
04:03:31,680 --> 04:03:38,800
differences between a contractor's shop
versus other um office uses. Um due to

2706
04:03:36,880 --> 04:03:43,120
the type of trades that are uh defined
as part of a contractor's shops, those

2707
04:03:41,040 --> 04:03:48,720
trades oftentimes need um additional
outdoor storage uh to store um equipment

2708
04:03:46,640 --> 04:03:54,560
and materials uh sometimes fleet
vehicles. Um so there are uh some visual

2709
04:03:52,000 --> 04:03:58,800
and noise impacts that are associated um
with the contractor's jobs that makes it

2710
04:03:56,239 --> 04:04:04,880
a little bit more intense of a use um
than a standard office use. Um when the

2711
04:04:03,120 --> 04:04:09,040
land development code was adopted in
2018 and the mixeduse employment zoning

2712
04:04:07,279 --> 04:04:13,680
district was established, it was
established to uh provide a mix of

2713
04:04:11,439 --> 04:04:18,640
various types of non-residential and
residential uses so that they could um

2714
04:04:16,239 --> 04:04:24,560
kind of coexist and uh create this whole
mixeduse um approach. Um as part of

2715
04:04:22,239 --> 04:04:29,600
that, the contractor's shop was allowed
as a was included in that zoning

2716
04:04:27,040 --> 04:04:33,520
district as a as a conditional use. Uh
the mixed use zoning district allows for

2717
04:04:31,520 --> 04:04:37,359
two different types of residential uses.
It allows for single family attached. So

2718
04:04:35,359 --> 04:04:42,880
that's your standard uh townhouse style
development. It also allows for multif

2719
04:04:39,600 --> 04:04:48,239
family which can be um stacked forplexes
or up to your uh standard uh apartment

2720
04:04:45,920 --> 04:04:52,640
complex. Um the mix zoning district if
you look at a map of the zoning

2721
04:04:49,680 --> 04:04:57,520
districts across town um are primarily
located along um industrial older

2722
04:04:55,520 --> 04:05:02,080
industrial corridors. There are some
areas where um the MUE zoning district

2723
04:04:59,920 --> 04:05:07,439
is immediately adjacent to residential
single family zoning districts as well.

2724
04:05:04,239 --> 04:05:11,600
Um and again so the conditional use
piece here um is considered a major

2725
04:05:09,359 --> 04:05:16,319
development application under the land
development code. Um major development

2726
04:05:13,680 --> 04:05:19,120
applications including this are uh
ultimately decided by the planning and

2727
04:05:17,920 --> 04:05:24,319
zoning commission. It allows the
planning and zoning commission to uh

2728
04:05:21,199 --> 04:05:29,920
look at cases or uh proposals on a case-
by case basis and on a siteby-sight

2729
04:05:26,080 --> 04:05:34,640
basis to um add different conditions uh
to the use to try to mitigate the impact

2730
04:05:32,560 --> 04:05:38,720
uh that could potentially arise if it is
an immediate uh adjacency to other

2731
04:05:37,279 --> 04:05:43,600
quoteunquote non-compatible or
incompatible uses such as uh different

2732
04:05:41,040 --> 04:05:49,520
residential type uses. Um so that's the
existing code language as of today.

2733
04:05:47,520 --> 04:05:54,000
Um, which brings us to our council
options and the staff recommendation.

2734
04:05:51,920 --> 04:05:57,680
Um, the first recommend the first option
is to direct staff to proceed with an

2735
04:05:56,080 --> 04:06:02,160
amendment to the land development code
regarding contractor shops. The second

2736
04:05:59,680 --> 04:06:06,800
option is [snorts] uh to direct work to
cease uh direct staff to cease work on

2737
04:06:04,560 --> 04:06:11,279
any future amendments related to uh the
request as I outlined uh here on this

2738
04:06:09,359 --> 04:06:15,600
slide and um go through in the staff
report. staff is recommending at this

2739
04:06:13,199 --> 04:06:21,760
time not to move forward with um with
the request. Um standard as part of our

2740
04:06:18,960 --> 04:06:27,520
typical process when a referral is made
uh we do not um go into very much detail

2741
04:06:24,800 --> 04:06:32,239
in ter of a detailed analysis in terms
of potential future impacts of what the

2742
04:06:29,760 --> 04:06:36,720
change could include. Uh so we have not
fully vetted or uh researched the item.

2743
04:06:35,040 --> 04:06:40,640
However, at a very high level, we have
identified some concerns. I was kind of

2744
04:06:38,399 --> 04:06:44,880
hinting at it earlier when I was talking
about the type the impact and the

2745
04:06:42,319 --> 04:06:50,800
intensity of contractor shops and the
adjacency um to residential development

2746
04:06:48,160 --> 04:06:55,439
uh in the MUE zoning district. There are
some concerns that we have about

2747
04:06:52,160 --> 04:06:57,680
allowing it um as a permitted by right
use versus a conditional use.

2748
04:06:57,580 --> 04:07:03,120
» [snorts]
>> Um, as part of any uh future uh if the

2749
04:07:01,040 --> 04:07:08,640
staff or if council were to direct staff
to move forward with the request, um we

2750
04:07:05,520 --> 04:07:12,479
would need to analyze the code, try to
identify any conflicts that could arise

2751
04:07:10,239 --> 04:07:16,880
throughout the code uh if we were to
change the table of allowed uses to

2752
04:07:14,239 --> 04:07:20,239
allow um these two uses. We would need
to make sure that everything aligns

2753
04:07:18,160 --> 04:07:23,760
appropriately. And then we would want to
um do some level of stakeholder

2754
04:07:21,760 --> 04:07:27,120
engagement uh where we could go talk to
members of the community uh both

2755
04:07:25,439 --> 04:07:31,199
residential neighbors and members of the
business community to try to figure out

2756
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:35,199
where they are with uh requests such as
this whether or not they support it or

2757
04:07:32,880 --> 04:07:39,439
have additional concerns. Uh we would
then take all that information uh

2758
04:07:37,439 --> 04:07:42,640
develop our own recommendation that
would go to planning and zoning

2759
04:07:40,479 --> 04:07:46,160
commission. Um they would then vote on a
recommendation which would be forwarded

2760
04:07:44,080 --> 04:07:50,800
on to you all um as the final
decision-making body. So without having

2761
04:07:48,080 --> 04:07:54,560
any prior direction from city council on
this item, um we are recommending at

2762
04:07:52,720 --> 04:07:57,680
this time not to move forward with this
request. That does conclude my

2763
04:07:56,399 --> 04:08:01,359
presentation. I tried to keep it short
and sweet. Um however, the applicant

2764
04:07:59,680 --> 04:08:05,359
does have a quick presentation as well.
They are here. Um they will be available

2765
04:08:03,680 --> 04:08:09,279
to answer any questions on a technical
level. I can address any questions that

2766
04:08:07,359 --> 04:08:12,560
you may have about our recommendation as
well. So I'll hand it over to uh the

2767
04:08:11,680 --> 04:08:17,359
applicant at this time.
>> Okay. Can we hold questions until after

2768
04:08:14,479 --> 04:08:21,560
the second presentation? Okay. Just keep
your keep your mics on.

2769
04:08:23,680 --> 04:08:31,040
» Hello. Thanks so much for hearing me
out. Longtime listener, first- time

2770
04:08:28,080 --> 04:08:33,520
caller. My name is Annie Lner and um
I'll talk while he's working on the

2771
04:08:32,319 --> 04:08:37,439
presentation. You guys see this
presentation in your screens? Okay,

2772
04:08:35,359 --> 04:08:41,199
cool. Um yeah, so I'm a resident of
Longmont. I'm a commercial broker, so I

2773
04:08:39,359 --> 04:08:43,760
work on sales and leasing deals with
landlords and tenants.

2774
04:08:43,359 --> 04:08:45,279
» Um
>> which one is it?

2775
04:08:44,720 --> 04:08:47,920
» That one.
>> Sorry, this one.

2776
04:08:50,560 --> 04:08:58,319
Um, sorry, I don't want to fuss too much
with it. And, um, in my work in

2777
04:08:55,439 --> 04:09:03,359
particular, I represent a lot of small
business owners as tenants. So, um,

2778
04:09:01,600 --> 04:09:07,120
first off, I guess I want to just Yeah,
thank you so much.

2779
04:09:05,520 --> 04:09:12,319
One, two, three. Just this is what I
use. Sorry. No, I don't know how to use

2780
04:09:10,239 --> 04:09:15,760
this. Um,
I want to acknowledge the planning

2781
04:09:13,520 --> 04:09:19,279
staff. Um, I understand why the
recommendation is to not move forward at

2782
04:09:17,520 --> 04:09:23,920
this time. What I'm asking for does
require some staff resources and um

2783
04:09:22,640 --> 04:09:28,080
without clear direction or
prioritization from council, maintaining

2784
04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:31,840
the status quo is reasonable from a
staff workload perspective. This is not

2785
04:09:30,000 --> 04:09:35,279
about criticizing staff and what they
do. They work really hard and we

2786
04:09:33,359 --> 04:09:40,319
appreciate it. Um, but what I am here to
do is report from the field on how our

2787
04:09:38,080 --> 04:09:45,600
land use code adversely impacts our
community in practice.

2788
04:09:42,720 --> 04:09:49,279
So, as you each know, um, the zoning
district allows certain uses, and Nathan

2789
04:09:47,680 --> 04:09:53,680
did a good job explaining that. So,
that's to say the type of business that

2790
04:09:51,120 --> 04:09:58,080
you operate, your use, right? So, like a
storage warehouse, a retail shop, or a

2791
04:09:55,920 --> 04:10:02,319
gym has has different uses that are
categorized by our land use code. So,

2792
04:10:00,399 --> 04:10:07,439
you have to put your business where the
underlying zoning code allows you to

2793
04:10:04,239 --> 04:10:10,720
operate. Even if a building you like
makes perfect sense for your business,

2794
04:10:09,199 --> 04:10:16,479
if the zoning doesn't work, you can't be
there. When it comes to commercial uses

2795
04:10:13,120 --> 04:10:21,199
and especially industrial uses, mixeduse
employment is the most permissive zoning

2796
04:10:18,720 --> 04:10:26,479
district in Longmont. It allows many
different uses by right like R&D

2797
04:10:23,520 --> 04:10:31,279
companies, office users as was mentioned
and um certain light manufacturing, but

2798
04:10:29,439 --> 04:10:35,840
mixeduse employment, which he mentioned
is a mixeduse zone um zoning district,

2799
04:10:34,319 --> 04:10:39,279
is the only one where we can do any of
the industrial type of uses. We don't

2800
04:10:37,920 --> 04:10:43,760
really have industrial zoning in
Longmont anymore. So we are left with

2801
04:10:41,279 --> 04:10:48,239
these mixed use areas where all of those
heavier uses have to try to find space

2802
04:10:46,560 --> 04:10:52,640
and be compliant with some of the use
standards. So uh my application mentions

2803
04:10:51,040 --> 04:10:55,920
two zoning districts. Uh but I
especially want to focus on mixed use

2804
04:10:53,920 --> 04:10:59,199
employment. That's the the bigger my
bigger bugaboo. Um and the other one

2805
04:10:58,000 --> 04:11:02,239
that was mentioned is there's an error
in the executive summary. It's uh

2806
04:11:00,560 --> 04:11:05,359
non-residential primary employment.
Maybe I'll come back for another day to

2807
04:11:03,520 --> 04:11:08,399
talk about that one because it's fun.
But um if you look at the zoning map

2808
04:11:06,880 --> 04:11:12,960
that I have in front of you, mixeduse
employment is the light gray areas

2809
04:11:10,239 --> 04:11:17,199
mostly clustered around um areas around
like Weaver Park Road out by the Sugar

2810
04:11:15,120 --> 04:11:23,760
Mill kind of out there. And then in
central Longmont uh near Ken Pratt and

2811
04:11:20,080 --> 04:11:28,640
like Sherman in that area and um those
those are the ones that especially have

2812
04:11:25,840 --> 04:11:32,880
a lot of the um higher concentration of
multi-tenant flex industrial buildings.

2813
04:11:31,439 --> 04:11:37,199
Some of these other areas that you see
farther out are newer and have bigger

2814
04:11:35,439 --> 04:11:42,479
spaces that maybe are better for like
R&D and some of the adv advanced manu

2815
04:11:40,319 --> 04:11:47,439
manufacturing, excuse me. So the
smaller, more affordable and older

2816
04:11:45,199 --> 04:11:52,160
industrial flex spaces are concentrated
in those big areas that have kind of

2817
04:11:48,800 --> 04:11:55,920
circled. Um that is also in industrial
uh leasing and sales. That's the

2818
04:11:53,920 --> 04:12:00,160
tightest segment of the market. That's
where we see the lowest vacancies and so

2819
04:11:58,399 --> 04:12:04,960
it's really competitive. It's hard to
find these small spaces in multi-tenant

2820
04:12:02,560 --> 04:12:09,680
flex spaces um where a lot of our small
businesses go into and I'll get into

2821
04:12:06,640 --> 04:12:12,960
that in a minute. Um so I don't know how
to switch this. There we go. Um if you

2822
04:12:11,359 --> 04:12:17,120
look at our table of allowable uses
right here, this is our land use code.

2823
04:12:14,479 --> 04:12:22,319
the use category, contractor's shop,
which I didn't define, but it's

2824
04:12:18,960 --> 04:12:26,479
basically HVAC companies, plumbers,
electricians, the guys that are coming

2825
04:12:24,479 --> 04:12:32,000
in at 2 a.m. and fixing your burst
pipes, um are allowed in one district.

2826
04:12:29,760 --> 04:12:37,439
You can see it there, one district. And
in that, they are not allowed by right.

2827
04:12:33,920 --> 04:12:41,680
Um, as Nathan pointed out, um, they are
to be allowed there and to be compliant,

2828
04:12:39,680 --> 04:12:46,000
notably, they must complete a
conditional use review before they

2829
04:12:44,000 --> 04:12:51,600
occupy the space. So, what I'm
requesting is that we amend the code to

2830
04:12:48,560 --> 04:12:54,720
allow that use by right rather than by
conditional use review. So, just a

2831
04:12:53,279 --> 04:12:59,199
little bit easier to go occupy space in
these areas. And here's why I think this

2832
04:12:57,199 --> 04:13:02,560
is justified. I have five points and I'm
going to try to go through them fast.

2833
04:13:00,800 --> 04:13:07,600
The current process as it is creates
timing barriers that are incompatible

2834
04:13:04,720 --> 04:13:12,720
with small business leasing realities.
So most small contractors are likely to

2835
04:13:10,080 --> 04:13:15,760
lease a space not purchase. Once they
actually identify a space with the right

2836
04:13:14,319 --> 04:13:20,080
zoning that's actually affordable and
that is small enough they have to

2837
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:23,439
negotiate lease terms before pursuing
even getting to pursuing this uh

2838
04:13:21,520 --> 04:13:27,040
conditional use approval. And the reason
they do it, the reason we do it that in

2839
04:13:25,199 --> 04:13:30,880
that order where we start with lease
term negotiation before we get to

2840
04:13:28,720 --> 04:13:35,439
conditional use approval is because the
application for the conditional review

2841
04:13:32,800 --> 04:13:38,960
involves a lot of hard costs like site
plans, documentation, and professional

2842
04:13:37,279 --> 04:13:42,239
services that you have to hire. You
don't want to spend more money on a

2843
04:13:40,479 --> 04:13:46,880
space before you have even come to terms
on your deal. And also, it's of note

2844
04:13:45,040 --> 04:13:50,239
that landlords in these very competitive
markets, in these competitive spaces,

2845
04:13:48,560 --> 04:13:53,840
are not going to hold a space off market
for you for two to four months while you

2846
04:13:52,319 --> 04:13:58,319
go and try to do your conditional use
review. So, as a result, many tenants

2847
04:13:56,159 --> 04:14:03,040
lose the space before they can even be
secured.

2848
04:14:00,319 --> 04:14:06,399
Two, conditional use review is processed
as a major development application. I

2849
04:14:05,439 --> 04:14:10,800
know this has been kind of thrown
around. It came up earlier in the public

2850
04:14:07,840 --> 04:14:14,399
comment and it came up uh before. So,
this is a big deal. This is This is the

2851
04:14:12,720 --> 04:14:16,399
» I apologize. I'm gonna have to interrupt
for procedural.

2852
04:14:15,520 --> 04:14:22,239
» Oh, shoot. Sorry.
>> Um, go ahead. Um, Council Member Marcen.

2853
04:14:21,040 --> 04:14:24,960
» Thank you, Mayor. Not your fault at all,
Annie. We just have your fault at all.

2854
04:14:23,520 --> 04:14:29,279
» No, you're all good. I move that we
extend the meeting beyond 11:00.

2855
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:33,520
» Okay. So, the motion has been made to
extend the meeting past 11. We do.

2856
04:14:32,080 --> 04:14:37,840
Otherwise, we're we're shutting
everything down. Yeah.

2857
04:14:34,720 --> 04:14:44,560
» Um and it so it was moved by council
member Marcy and seconded by um council

2858
04:14:40,640 --> 04:14:47,760
member Kulkuffer. All those in favor or
let's vote.

2859
04:14:46,640 --> 04:14:53,760
» Please vote no. We can do that.
>> Please vote no this time.

2860
04:14:51,520 --> 04:14:57,199
» Okay. That carries unanimously. We have
extended past 11. Go ahead.

2861
04:14:55,279 --> 04:15:00,640
» Sure. Sure. Okay. So, uh it's really
important to understand why this is such

2862
04:14:59,520 --> 04:15:04,880
a big deal. major development
application. Um, even when no site

2863
04:15:03,199 --> 04:15:10,399
changes are proposed, the conditional
use review application follows the same

2864
04:15:07,520 --> 04:15:15,439
procedural framework used for reszonings
and annexations, really big projects

2865
04:15:12,720 --> 04:15:18,560
that take a really long time to do. Now,
in theory, we should be able to move it

2866
04:15:16,720 --> 04:15:22,560
through faster, but that's not really
happen sometimes in practice, especially

2867
04:15:20,800 --> 04:15:27,840
for these small contractors, which is
where I'm focusing today, who are

2868
04:15:24,000 --> 04:15:33,040
leasing 1,500 to 3,000 foot spaces. This
level of process creates uncertainty in

2869
04:15:30,319 --> 04:15:36,399
time, cost, and outcome that most cannot
absorb.

2870
04:15:34,800 --> 04:15:41,040
So, as the real life example, as you
heard from a um a public comment

2871
04:15:38,560 --> 04:15:45,600
earlier, I also included here an
application submitt. This is for a

2872
04:15:43,920 --> 04:15:48,720
recent conditional use review that we
did. Um that was Sentinel Property

2873
04:15:47,359 --> 04:15:51,760
Management, Corey Cash, who you heard
from earlier. He's sophisticated and

2874
04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:55,359
knows what he's doing, but he was trying
to lease a space on Weaver Park Road.

2875
04:15:53,439 --> 04:15:59,520
So, out there in MUE, they were looking
to subleasase a space out there. uh to

2876
04:15:57,359 --> 04:16:04,159
stage their operations. It was already a
very complex deal that took months, I'm

2877
04:16:02,239 --> 04:16:07,600
not kidding you, months to negotiate.
And then we learned that Sentinel as a

2878
04:16:06,080 --> 04:16:10,399
property manager is considered
contractor shop. That was a little bit

2879
04:16:09,120 --> 04:16:14,560
of an oversight on the early end of
things. And um but we were just kind of

2880
04:16:12,960 --> 04:16:19,840
surprised and they needed a conditional
review. So after everything had been

2881
04:16:16,319 --> 04:16:23,520
teed up um between three parties, CFOs,
brokers, attorneys, architects, all

2882
04:16:21,840 --> 04:16:27,840
kinds of people all over the country, we
had to step into a conditional use

2883
04:16:25,520 --> 04:16:31,120
review at that point. Um most people
might have just gone under the radar and

2884
04:16:29,199 --> 04:16:34,080
not done it, but he had permitting to do
and everything else. And so, you know,

2885
04:16:32,479 --> 04:16:37,920
you got to you got to follow the rules.
Happy to. The only reason that it did

2886
04:16:36,399 --> 04:16:41,040
not fall apart is because Sentinel is
sophisticated and they can handle the

2887
04:16:39,439 --> 04:16:44,080
process and they can hire architects and
they can deal with everything that was

2888
04:16:42,640 --> 04:16:49,840
required. So, I just wanted to show you
in my presentation here.

2889
04:16:46,880 --> 04:16:55,040
Boom. Uh, this is this is his checklist.
This is a checklist for a conditional

2890
04:16:51,680 --> 04:16:58,800
use review for no site plan changes just
to occupy the space. I'm just going to

2891
04:16:56,960 --> 04:17:03,359
kind of go through some of this. Alta
survey, mineral rights disposition,

2892
04:17:01,840 --> 04:17:07,760
ownership and property incumbences
report, statement of expected utility

2893
04:17:05,120 --> 04:17:13,040
needs, wastewater classification survey,
concept design, it keeps going. All of

2894
04:17:10,720 --> 04:17:18,399
those check marks are required. legal
description. That seems pretty easy.

2895
04:17:15,199 --> 04:17:22,720
Here we go. Some more fun things.
Phasing plan.

2896
04:17:21,120 --> 04:17:26,640
This is This is all real. This is his
application checklist just to go in and

2897
04:17:24,880 --> 04:17:30,720
occupy space and make no changes. He was
doing internal changes only, interior

2898
04:17:28,560 --> 04:17:34,319
changes only. So, uh yeah, I wanted to
just point that out. No outside storage.

2899
04:17:32,319 --> 04:17:38,239
So, there was no impacts on the outside
and there were no changes to the site

2900
04:17:35,920 --> 04:17:44,080
plan. It took us four months from the
first inquiry to our PNZ conditional

2901
04:17:40,239 --> 04:17:48,159
approval. So this lease that we all had
teed up ready to sign had to just sit

2902
04:17:46,399 --> 04:17:52,000
there. We all just had to wait. We had
to hold it from giving an option to

2903
04:17:50,399 --> 04:17:56,080
anyone else in the market to lease it.
And we did it because it just we had to

2904
04:17:53,760 --> 04:18:00,239
at that point. But that's a unique
anomaly situation. This deal should have

2905
04:17:58,000 --> 04:18:06,080
fallen apart and it would fall apart in
most normal situations.

2906
04:18:02,479 --> 04:18:10,000
Okay, moving on. Um,
hang on. I want to make sure I didn't

2907
04:18:07,359 --> 04:18:14,479
miss anything. I didn't. Mixed use
employment already, this is a really big

2908
04:18:12,479 --> 04:18:20,560
point, already allows for several
potentially more intensive uses by

2909
04:18:16,800 --> 04:18:24,640
Wright. Um, uses like vehicle repair,
bars, and nightclubs, and large recycle

2910
04:18:23,040 --> 04:18:28,479
collection facilities are already
permitted by Wright in MUE. You could

2911
04:18:26,800 --> 04:18:32,880
argue those have some pretty significant
impacts, as was spoken to earlier, um,

2912
04:18:31,120 --> 04:18:37,680
on all of our potential, you know,
residential uses in in the same zoning

2913
04:18:35,279 --> 04:18:42,880
district. So meanwhile, a small
electrician or plumber shop triggers

2914
04:18:40,319 --> 04:18:46,399
discretionary review. This raises the
question for me of proportionality

2915
04:18:44,640 --> 04:18:51,520
between actual impact and just
procedural burden on our small

2916
04:18:48,319 --> 04:18:55,600
businesses. Number four, residential
adjacency concerns can be addressed

2917
04:18:53,760 --> 04:19:00,080
through objective standards. And what I
mean by that is if the concern here is

2918
04:18:57,680 --> 04:19:04,720
outdoor storage and screening and noise
and vehicle counts, hours of operation,

2919
04:19:02,560 --> 04:19:07,680
etc., These impacts can be managed
through clear performance and use

2920
04:19:06,159 --> 04:19:11,040
standards rather than a full
discretionary review process. So all I

2921
04:19:09,840 --> 04:19:15,680
mean is that we can be there by right.
We can have a P with an asterisk and say

2922
04:19:13,760 --> 04:19:19,279
there's a bunch of use standards that
you have to adhere to, but you can still

2923
04:19:17,120 --> 04:19:22,479
go occupy it without having to do a
major development application, which is

2924
04:19:21,120 --> 04:19:26,640
significant and you saw the checklist
for that. Like no small plumber is able

2925
04:19:25,120 --> 04:19:30,880
to do that. It's just not a possibility.
It's not a reality.

2926
04:19:29,040 --> 04:19:34,239
Um
yeah, my last point there is that it

2927
04:19:33,040 --> 04:19:38,399
would just help protect the nearby
neighborhoods while providing

2928
04:19:36,000 --> 04:19:42,399
predictability for our small businesses.
Finally, um let's talk about the broader

2929
04:19:41,040 --> 04:19:45,680
economic concern. And I think I've kind
of said this, but I'll just drive it

2930
04:19:43,520 --> 04:19:49,760
home that the large well- capitalized
companies can navigate these extended

2931
04:19:47,760 --> 04:19:53,359
review timelines. And we saw it happen
with Sentinel. That was the exception.

2932
04:19:51,520 --> 04:19:58,319
And he's not even that big. I mean, he's
a totally locally bred, you know,

2933
04:19:56,239 --> 04:20:02,000
business, but small local contractors
often cannot. What I see in my

2934
04:20:00,239 --> 04:20:05,920
day-to-day is that the structure of the
code unintentionally favors large users

2935
04:20:04,080 --> 04:20:10,319
and disadvantages the small trades
businesses that serve our community

2936
04:20:07,680 --> 04:20:16,000
daily. If we design our design zoning in
a way that prioritizes R&D, tech, clean

2937
04:20:13,359 --> 04:20:19,920
manufacturing, but we make it difficult
for the very trades people who build the

2938
04:20:18,239 --> 04:20:24,560
homes that those jobs create and who
wire those R&D spaces and who fix the

2939
04:20:22,560 --> 04:20:28,560
infrastructure to operate here, we will
hollow out the ecosystem that makes our

2940
04:20:26,319 --> 04:20:32,399
city function. These are not fringe
uses. They're the businesses that

2941
04:20:30,720 --> 04:20:36,960
sponsor little league teams and that
employ local residents. They respond at

2942
04:20:35,040 --> 04:20:41,520
2 am when you need them. And if they
can't find space here, they will go

2943
04:20:38,880 --> 04:20:44,960
elsewhere. And I'm watching it happen.
We lose them to neighboring markets

2944
04:20:42,960 --> 04:20:49,279
where the red tape is less thick.
Happens all the time. And almost

2945
04:20:47,359 --> 04:20:52,640
happened with Corey. So my request is
not to remove guard rails, but to

2946
04:20:50,880 --> 04:20:56,880
explore whether contractor shops in
mixeduse employment could be permitted

2947
04:20:54,159 --> 04:21:00,000
by right subject to this defined um
performance and use standards. And I

2948
04:20:58,800 --> 04:21:04,960
think this would better align with
actual impact and reduce some of

2949
04:21:02,319 --> 04:21:09,359
unnecessary barriers for uh local small
businesses. So, I really hope you'll

2950
04:21:06,800 --> 04:21:12,960
consider directing staff to work on
this. I think it's a priority and really

2951
04:21:10,960 --> 04:21:17,439
important and a bit of an oversight in
our maybe not even an oversight, but in

2952
04:21:15,680 --> 04:21:19,760
2026, I see it as a problem in our land
use code.

2953
04:21:18,560 --> 04:21:23,359
» All right, I'm done.
>> Okay. Thank you.

2954
04:21:20,880 --> 04:21:26,399
» Yeah. Um,
Council Member Prito,

2955
04:21:24,960 --> 04:21:28,720
» I don't I don't even know why that's on,
but I'll talk. I'll talk.

2956
04:21:27,680 --> 04:21:33,680
» Yeah, go for it.
>> No, I think that you drove home a really

2957
04:21:30,560 --> 04:21:38,640
a lot of good points. Um
um my husband, he's a handyman and and

2958
04:21:36,080 --> 04:21:43,359
he's one of the small tradesmen and I
live next to a small business who

2959
04:21:41,199 --> 04:21:48,880
unfortunately is trying to grow. They're
very successful, but they're having

2960
04:21:45,760 --> 04:21:54,080
difficulty finding another space to be
in. So, I hear your argument and we

2961
04:21:52,159 --> 04:21:59,680
don't want to
cause businesses not to be able to grow

2962
04:21:56,399 --> 04:22:06,800
and and move into bigger spaces or uh
meet their needs and and contribute to

2963
04:22:02,239 --> 04:22:09,199
our little economy here. So, um I am
going to

2964
04:22:07,359 --> 04:22:12,960
» Yeah. And I was going to say maybe this
will help jog your memory because you

2965
04:22:11,040 --> 04:22:17,359
had your name in the queue from the
staff presentation as well. So, I don't

2966
04:22:15,760 --> 04:22:22,159
know if it was something in regard to
that or is it gone? That's okay. You did

2967
04:22:19,760 --> 04:22:25,840
such a great job, by the way. I was
like, "Way to drive it home."

2968
04:22:24,000 --> 04:22:31,120
» Um, you could have stopped midway and
and I was sold.

2969
04:22:27,359 --> 04:22:36,960
» Um, I I am for it. I know I'm a little
bit I was a little bit hesitant coming

2970
04:22:33,120 --> 04:22:41,840
in as far as taking off the conditional
use. Um, but with some of the points

2971
04:22:39,279 --> 04:22:46,319
that you brought for other um,
businesses being able to come in by

2972
04:22:44,000 --> 04:22:55,680
right, I think that's a really good
point. Um, and also as far as the uh NPE

2973
04:22:51,359 --> 04:22:58,640
conditional secondary use, I'm also I'm
also interested in looking into that as

2974
04:22:57,840 --> 04:23:00,800
well.
>> Um, because I feel like

2975
04:23:00,159 --> 04:23:05,359
» district
>> sometimes you get companies that go into

2976
04:23:02,720 --> 04:23:11,120
big spaces and could lease a small piece
of it to maybe a plumber or an

2977
04:23:08,080 --> 04:23:15,359
electrician or a handyman. And so I
think if we're wanting to really help

2978
04:23:12,560 --> 04:23:19,199
our small businesses here, uh, we really
have to put our money where our mouth

2979
04:23:16,800 --> 04:23:24,560
is. So I'm going to be for this and
yeah, thank you for your presentation.

2980
04:23:22,000 --> 04:23:27,680
» Yeah, thank you. Um, Council Member
Coloffer,

2981
04:23:26,080 --> 04:23:33,520
» thank you for the for the presentation.
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I am all for this

2982
04:23:30,960 --> 04:23:37,760
almost everywhere except for where uh
residential meets these these areas. Um,

2983
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:41,920
I do want us to be business friendly.
Um, I want us to make sure that

2984
04:23:39,359 --> 04:23:46,080
businesses want to come here and operate
here, but I want to make sure that if we

2985
04:23:43,760 --> 04:23:52,000
do move forward with this, that those
conditions have weight to them. Um,

2986
04:23:49,199 --> 04:23:55,040
because, you know, we are affecting a
bunch of residents on some of these

2987
04:23:54,000 --> 04:23:59,760
edges.
>> And I want to make sure that there's

2988
04:23:56,880 --> 04:24:03,520
teeth to these so you're not affecting
quality of life of our residents. We

2989
04:24:01,760 --> 04:24:06,319
have two jobs here, residents and
businesses. M

2990
04:24:04,479 --> 04:24:10,800
» and I want to make sure that we're
protecting our residents but also

2991
04:24:08,640 --> 04:24:14,640
promoting uh being businessfriendly
because I've been talking to a lot of

2992
04:24:12,239 --> 04:24:19,760
businesses lately and not not because of
us but because of outside influences as

2993
04:24:17,279 --> 04:24:27,680
well death by a thousand cuts and I want
to make sure that we make it as easy to

2994
04:24:24,399 --> 04:24:32,800
open a business in Longmont um that we
can make it at the same time protecting

2995
04:24:30,720 --> 04:24:37,199
the quality of life for the folks who
live next to a shop.

2996
04:24:34,640 --> 04:24:41,680
» Um, so I don't know what we could do to
make sure that those conditions have

2997
04:24:40,560 --> 04:24:46,800
teeth.
>> Um, and I'm I'm for it if if if that is

2998
04:24:44,479 --> 04:24:52,399
the case. Um, but I don't want to have a
shop that is, you know, doing CNC, um,

2999
04:24:49,920 --> 04:24:57,520
that is vibrating everything and
causing, you know, neighbors to have

3000
04:24:55,920 --> 04:25:01,359
noise complaints like we're having with
the airport or somewhere else. I want to

3001
04:24:59,680 --> 04:25:05,279
make sure that we're protecting our
residents as well. So I don't know if

3002
04:25:02,800 --> 04:25:10,560
staff can help me with that and if the
conditions would protect residents as

3003
04:25:07,840 --> 04:25:15,720
well and if they are if the business is
violating something you know what would

3004
04:25:12,720 --> 04:25:15,720
happen.

3005
04:25:15,840 --> 04:25:19,920
You
>> go first.

3006
04:25:16,640 --> 04:25:23,680
» Okay. Um so I guess I should take a step
back also and explain next steps. So uh

3007
04:25:22,080 --> 04:25:29,600
if the council directs us to move
forward with this uh we will review um

3008
04:25:26,399 --> 04:25:33,760
the pros and cons of uh your deci what
will ultimately be your decision. Um

3009
04:25:31,680 --> 04:25:37,760
there is a review fee associated or
there's an application fee associated

3010
04:25:35,680 --> 04:25:43,760
with this. So I believe the review fee
is about $850. The applicant would have

3011
04:25:39,840 --> 04:25:47,760
to um pay the review fee to initiate the
formal application. Um and then we would

3012
04:25:46,080 --> 04:25:53,199
begin the process of actually picking
apart um all the different questions and

3013
04:25:51,120 --> 04:25:57,600
issues that you've raised. I think um at
a high level again uh there are some

3014
04:25:55,359 --> 04:26:02,479
pros and cons. It is only allowed in one
zoning district. it is a uh only allowed

3015
04:25:59,840 --> 04:26:07,120
as a conditional use. Um there are some
pros and cons associated with that. Um

3016
04:26:05,199 --> 04:26:12,159
and I think as staff goes through the
review process, we would uh identify

3017
04:26:09,680 --> 04:26:16,159
appropriate use specific standards that
could potentially apply. Um we would

3018
04:26:14,239 --> 04:26:21,040
then propose those to the to the
planning and zoning commission. Um

3019
04:26:19,199 --> 04:26:26,720
and ultimately we may go through this
whole review process and still come back

3020
04:26:22,720 --> 04:26:30,479
and say uh we still recommend uh denial
of the request or we could come back and

3021
04:26:28,720 --> 04:26:34,319
after engaging with the members of the
community and actually researching this

3022
04:26:32,239 --> 04:26:39,840
a little bit more in detail maybe we can
find ways to uh address our staff

3023
04:26:36,720 --> 04:26:42,800
concerns. Um, a big part of our job here
is to present you all with the

3024
04:26:41,439 --> 04:26:46,399
information that you need to be able to
make a determination and to at least

3025
04:26:44,560 --> 04:26:50,880
give you a starting point, to be able to
set the policy and then we will um, you

3026
04:26:49,040 --> 04:26:55,199
know, we'll provide you with recommended
language or conditions or standards that

3027
04:26:53,520 --> 04:26:59,600
can get you to where you want to
ultimately be. Um but again without

3028
04:26:57,520 --> 04:27:05,120
having prior specific direction on this
particular issue and then looking at our

3029
04:27:02,159 --> 04:27:08,640
um list of to-do items uh both from the
planning zoning commission and the city

3030
04:27:06,479 --> 04:27:13,600
council over the next year. Uh we were
concerned about timing and staff

3031
04:27:10,319 --> 04:27:17,120
capacity. Um um so that's kind of where
we where we structured or where we

3032
04:27:15,120 --> 04:27:21,600
landed with our with our recommendation.
So

3033
04:27:19,279 --> 04:27:26,319
» yeah, I think
the answers that you're asking for will

3034
04:27:23,600 --> 04:27:32,159
come with the process.
And I think the piece on this from a

3035
04:27:29,279 --> 04:27:36,159
staff capacity is, you know, they
obviously talked about all the issues in

3036
04:27:34,319 --> 04:27:40,800
front of us. And so I think from a
council standpoint, you know, there will

3037
04:27:38,479 --> 04:27:46,560
have to be some prioritization in terms
of what do we move forward on, what do

3038
04:27:44,000 --> 04:27:50,960
we not move forward on? And so I think
the challenge

3039
04:27:49,040 --> 04:27:55,120
if council directs us to do this, I
think the question is going to be when

3040
04:27:53,120 --> 04:27:58,080
do you want it? And then how do we
adjust other priorities?

3041
04:27:57,600 --> 04:28:04,960
» Yeah,
>> that's really the crux of the issue.

3042
04:27:59,760 --> 04:28:07,600
» Mhm. Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,
>> thank you, Mayor, and thank you for

3043
04:28:05,840 --> 04:28:11,040
that, Harold. I I I know we all up here
appreciate the work that staff is doing

3044
04:28:09,040 --> 04:28:16,560
and trying to balance the the competing
priorities often that change um somewhat

3045
04:28:13,760 --> 04:28:20,800
suddenly. Uh, so I I'm sympathetic to
that. I also think as as policy makers,

3046
04:28:18,880 --> 04:28:24,399
at least as a policy maker, the thought
I have is how do we support our small

3047
04:28:23,040 --> 04:28:27,840
business community and how do we make it
easier for long for longers who want to

3048
04:28:26,319 --> 04:28:31,600
work for want to thrive here and open up
businesses here for that to happen. So,

3049
04:28:29,840 --> 04:28:34,960
um I I do have some questions just
generally for staff. First of all,

3050
04:28:33,359 --> 04:28:39,840
Annie, great job. Big fan of the
podcast. Thanks for being here. Um just

3051
04:28:37,840 --> 04:28:44,800
to be clear,
you know, moving option one tonight

3052
04:28:42,800 --> 04:28:47,520
doesn't approve it. doesn't you know
we're going [snorts] to go through the

3053
04:28:45,600 --> 04:28:51,520
process and and it directs staff to do
that just to be totally clear. Okay.

3054
04:28:49,520 --> 04:28:54,800
» Um what and I know you walked through it
a bit in your presentation some of the

3055
04:28:52,960 --> 04:28:58,560
general idea but what are the major
specific impacts that staff is most

3056
04:28:57,439 --> 04:29:03,840
concerned about.
>> Um I think again just the uh outdoor

3057
04:29:01,600 --> 04:29:07,760
storage piece. Um again the type of
outdoor storage and I think the example

3058
04:29:05,600 --> 04:29:12,239
was given about a CNC machine. Um
technology is changing. There's a lot of

3059
04:29:09,439 --> 04:29:16,319
different trades now uh that are diff a
lot of different uses as Annie pointed

3060
04:29:13,920 --> 04:29:21,279
out that could be um included or
captured under that uh contractor shop

3061
04:29:18,960 --> 04:29:25,520
definition. Um we would need to you know
we would want to look into all of that

3062
04:29:22,720 --> 04:29:30,319
but um I think at a high level it is the
outdoor storage piece, it is the uh

3063
04:29:27,520 --> 04:29:33,199
vehicle and fleet maintenance piece. Um
that's all kind of captured also within

3064
04:29:31,920 --> 04:29:38,960
the outdoor storage and it's the
adjacency uh to existing established

3065
04:29:36,640 --> 04:29:42,000
residential neighborhoods. um those are
primarily as as I pointed out in the

3066
04:29:40,880 --> 04:29:45,920
presentation if you take a look at the
zoning map the majority of the MUE

3067
04:29:44,080 --> 04:29:49,680
zoning districts are within our more
established industrial corridors.

3068
04:29:47,439 --> 04:29:54,640
However, there are areas where
especially around um around the St.

3069
04:29:52,319 --> 04:30:00,800
Brain Creek area where um it was
intentionally zoned MUE with the ability

3070
04:29:58,479 --> 04:30:05,359
to have additional residential uses in
there uh with an eye towards future

3071
04:30:02,800 --> 04:30:08,319
redevelopment of those areas. And so,
um, again, when you take a look at all

3072
04:30:06,880 --> 04:30:11,040
the different types of uses that are
permitted, um, we would just want to

3073
04:30:09,920 --> 04:30:14,479
make sure, again, that there's no
conflicts. I think if we were to move

3074
04:30:12,880 --> 04:30:19,359
forward with this, we would end up
recommending use specific standards

3075
04:30:16,479 --> 04:30:22,479
related uh to try to heavily mitigate
some of those impacts. Um, but that's

3076
04:30:21,359 --> 04:30:24,720
yeah, I think those are the main
concerns.

3077
04:30:22,960 --> 04:30:27,920
» Thank you. I I I think I personally
would like to see those youth specific

3078
04:30:26,399 --> 04:30:31,120
standards and where that winds up from
from a planning perspective and have

3079
04:30:29,600 --> 04:30:33,520
that conversation. So, I'm actually
gonna go ahead and make a motion. Mayor,

3080
04:30:32,399 --> 04:30:37,040
if it's in order or you have other
folks, Last I looked, there was nobody

3081
04:30:35,680 --> 04:30:41,800
in the queue. Yeah, cool. They're all
here. Uh, Council Member Popkin.

3082
04:30:42,800 --> 04:30:49,840
» Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um, I
>> and and thank you, Annie, for a

3083
04:30:48,479 --> 04:30:54,667
thoughtful presentation after midnight.
Oh, nope. Sorry, after 11. Sorry, I'm on

3084
04:30:51,760 --> 04:30:57,520
central time. Um the uh I I appreciate
[clears throat] the the thoughtfulness

3085
04:30:56,000 --> 04:31:00,720
and and how you broke down the different
issues because I think sometimes we hear

3086
04:30:59,040 --> 04:31:05,439
about challenges facing small businesses
but can't always put like a name to what

3087
04:31:03,120 --> 04:31:10,319
the actual issue in the process is. And
so I think you did an excellent job of

3088
04:31:06,800 --> 04:31:13,600
breaking that down. Um I I I heard from
Nathan and from Harold a little bit

3089
04:31:11,840 --> 04:31:18,880
about kind of capacity issues and
timing. And I'm just was curious if um

3090
04:31:17,199 --> 04:31:22,800
either either of you or anyone else on
staff could speak a little bit more to

3091
04:31:20,239 --> 04:31:28,080
the broader to-do list and kind of how
this fits into staff capacity.

3092
04:31:25,760 --> 04:31:32,000
» I'm not in a hurry.
>> No, Annie, you don't have to. [laughter]

3093
04:31:30,239 --> 04:31:34,720
» Take all the time you want.
>> So we have

3094
04:31:33,120 --> 04:31:37,680
» So there's there's going to be a few of
us that jump into this. So

3095
04:31:36,399 --> 04:31:41,840
» Okay,
>> Grant, why don't you start with

3096
04:31:40,239 --> 04:31:45,359
» Sure. Good evening. Grant Penland
Planning and Development Services

3097
04:31:42,880 --> 04:31:49,600
Director um reticent to give any
specific timing etc. But uh of course

3098
04:31:48,239 --> 04:31:54,640
there's a lot of projects that I think
council is aware of um both that have

3099
04:31:52,399 --> 04:31:59,359
been you know discussed previously um
and otherwise and I think shortly you'll

3100
04:31:56,880 --> 04:32:05,040
see kind of the the broader work plans
that we've put together. Um you know

3101
04:32:02,159 --> 04:32:11,120
typically we would look at a pro process
like this and expect that with uh

3102
04:32:07,680 --> 04:32:15,760
community engagement you know 6 nmonth
overall process uh depends on the amount

3103
04:32:13,520 --> 04:32:20,239
of research etc that we'd have to do. Um
so as Harold indicated the expectation

3104
04:32:18,239 --> 04:32:24,880
is we probably have to shift some things
around in order to you know get back in

3105
04:32:23,040 --> 04:32:28,560
front of council if you said you know
you want to see it quarter two or

3106
04:32:26,640 --> 04:32:29,680
quarter three versus the end of the
year.

3107
04:32:29,040 --> 04:32:32,080
» Okay.
>> Yeah. I think that's

3108
04:32:30,720 --> 04:32:36,960
» that's really the issue. I think I've
said it before is if you if you put an

3109
04:32:34,560 --> 04:32:43,040
aggressive timeline, we're shifting
things. But if we have more time where

3110
04:32:41,040 --> 04:32:48,479
we can kind of step back and evaluate
workload and figure out how we fit it in

3111
04:32:45,120 --> 04:32:52,560
it, that's an easier process for us to
go through. So when we talk about what

3112
04:32:50,239 --> 04:32:58,880
are the issues in front of us, um
obviously council's directed the MUIR

3113
04:32:55,920 --> 04:33:03,520
work that we're doing. we have the the
first and main work that we're doing.

3114
04:33:01,359 --> 04:33:08,719
Um, you know, there have been
conversations, you know, we talked about

3115
04:33:05,119 --> 04:33:12,719
it earlier, sugar mill and and so it's
when you think of the broader scope

3116
04:33:10,561 --> 04:33:17,760
because in that the planning
department's heavily involved in all of

3117
04:33:14,400 --> 04:33:22,400
those projects. So I think the answer is
if you tell us we want to do it, we want

3118
04:33:19,600 --> 04:33:27,279
to do it second quarter, third quarter,
we're we're shifting priorities and and

3119
04:33:25,279 --> 04:33:31,760
I will tell you there's a challenge if
we have time to work through this. I

3120
04:33:29,840 --> 04:33:36,480
think it's easier for us to move through
it and then make sure we're not missing

3121
04:33:34,639 --> 04:33:41,760
that community involvement piece because
where this could go south just for

3122
04:33:39,279 --> 04:33:46,639
everyone is if we're trying to compress
it in a too tight of a time frame and we

3123
04:33:43,680 --> 04:33:51,039
miss the involvement component of this
and that's where the unintended

3124
04:33:49,359 --> 04:33:54,719
consequences start slipping to some of
your questions. Have we thought about

3125
04:33:53,039 --> 04:33:59,119
where is you know where are the
conflicts? What do we need to do? So,

3126
04:33:56,959 --> 04:34:03,840
it's really about more if you want us to
do this, how quickly you want us to do

3127
04:34:01,840 --> 04:34:09,520
it will drive
the answer to the capacity question.

3128
04:34:07,279 --> 04:34:14,240
» Thank you. Um, Annie, a question for
you. Is there a specific timeline that

3129
04:34:12,160 --> 04:34:19,359
you were hoping for here or did you were
you coming here really to flag a kind of

3130
04:34:16,719 --> 04:34:23,119
increasing attention for your clients?
>> Yeah, I work I work with planning

3131
04:34:21,439 --> 04:34:27,279
through these things and I know how long
they take. So, I buckled up for the long

3132
04:34:25,039 --> 04:34:30,959
haul. But case in point, this is exactly
why we want to kind of make some of

3133
04:34:29,199 --> 04:34:34,719
these things like let's put some rules
in place and then take some of the

3134
04:34:32,639 --> 04:34:38,320
burden off of planning so they can focus
on things that are more important and

3135
04:34:35,920 --> 04:34:41,520
not be doing these reviews.
>> Yeah. No, thank you for that. Okay. Um,

3136
04:34:40,320 --> 04:34:44,480
I'm not going to make a motion because I
don't know what the Q looks like, but I

3137
04:34:42,639 --> 04:34:48,400
have a suggestion here for this group,
which is we have a retreat in a month

3138
04:34:47,119 --> 04:34:53,199
and that's partly where we're going to
talk about a number of priorities and

3139
04:34:50,480 --> 04:34:56,719
we're going to talk about um kind of
some of the other goals and and ideas

3140
04:34:55,039 --> 04:35:01,439
and frankly I have a few thoughts on
other potential code or zoning updates

3141
04:34:59,600 --> 04:35:04,799
we can make that are adjustments and
I've emailed staff about them, but again

3142
04:35:03,199 --> 04:35:10,080
that takes time and so maybe there's a
little batch uh situation we can like a

3143
04:35:07,439 --> 04:35:14,000
little bit of a a minor uh planning main
uh code update package that we can put

3144
04:35:12,080 --> 04:35:17,359
together um that pulls a few of these
together possibly in more of the spring

3145
04:35:15,840 --> 04:35:20,959
if we have a sense of our priorities
after retreat and some of the bigger

3146
04:35:19,279 --> 04:35:25,439
things that we were just talking about
might have more clarity on in two months

3147
04:35:23,199 --> 04:35:27,760
versus right now. So my suggestion I'm
not making a motion right now because I

3148
04:35:26,480 --> 04:35:31,119
don't know who else wants to speak
>> there's still others. Yeah, my

3149
04:35:29,600 --> 04:35:35,199
suggestion would be maybe that we table
this until uh either like the end of

3150
04:35:33,039 --> 04:35:38,080
April or the beginning of May um when we
have a clearer sense of some of our

3151
04:35:36,480 --> 04:35:40,480
priorities and how this fits in and how
we can maybe do this efficiently as a

3152
04:35:39,600 --> 04:35:46,719
package.
>> Okay. Um Council Member Christ.

3153
04:35:44,400 --> 04:35:54,080
» Thank you, Mayor.
>> Thank you, Miss Lner, and thank you, um

3154
04:35:49,840 --> 04:35:59,760
Mr. Jones Meyer. Uh it seems to me that
um making things more efficient would

3155
04:35:57,279 --> 04:36:04,000
ultimately help the planning department
and having you know people having to

3156
04:36:01,600 --> 04:36:11,039
come in and and go through this long
process to get into an MUE pos um

3157
04:36:09,039 --> 04:36:17,279
um zoned
facility seems like um seems like it's

3158
04:36:15,359 --> 04:36:22,879
as much a burden on staff as it might be
on the on the um business owner. And I

3159
04:36:20,480 --> 04:36:28,240
very much appreciate um Miss Larnner,
you bringing this information to our

3160
04:36:25,520 --> 04:36:32,320
attention in a way that we need to
support businesses and we're always

3161
04:36:30,160 --> 04:36:36,480
wondering how can we be better at that.
So thank you for bringing that to our

3162
04:36:34,000 --> 04:36:41,199
attention. I I just want to point out
when we're talking about um time frames,

3163
04:36:39,359 --> 04:36:45,600
if we're talking six months, that puts
us out to August. So, you also have to

3164
04:36:43,600 --> 04:36:50,480
be considerate of, you know, when would
people be looking for new places to set

3165
04:36:48,799 --> 04:36:55,680
up their business and it would probably
probably most likely be easiest for them

3166
04:36:52,561 --> 04:37:01,359
in the summer. Um,
and that maybe sometimes when you have a

3167
04:36:58,240 --> 04:37:05,680
task list, if you do the I don't want to
say the easiest, but the thing that you

3168
04:37:02,799 --> 04:37:09,279
can accomplish fastest first,
it clears the road for a lot of other

3169
04:37:07,600 --> 04:37:15,840
bigger projects, which I know I know
what those big projects are, and they're

3170
04:37:11,439 --> 04:37:23,199
going to take a while. So um
so I would be in favor of uh option

3171
04:37:18,639 --> 04:37:28,561
number one u to bring it back
with uh an amendment. I think probably

3172
04:37:26,561 --> 04:37:33,039
the complexity here is with the use
standards as we're talking about, you

3173
04:37:30,799 --> 04:37:37,520
know, how do we how do we deal with
residential areas? Probably I'm just

3174
04:37:36,320 --> 04:37:44,080
throwing this out because I don't know
the jargon, but a setback of some kind

3175
04:37:40,400 --> 04:37:49,439
might be useful when it comes to
setbacks from residential, setbacks from

3176
04:37:46,799 --> 04:37:55,760
certain other, you know, child care and
what have you. uh particularly if

3177
04:37:52,000 --> 04:38:00,320
there's some noise, vibration, you know,
you know, all the ones that people are

3178
04:37:56,959 --> 04:38:03,520
going to complain about. So, um so
anyway, I'm in favor of of bringing it

3179
04:38:02,400 --> 04:38:07,359
back.
>> And um I'm interested in hearing what my

3180
04:38:05,520 --> 04:38:09,199
other counselors have to add to
conversation.

3181
04:38:07,680 --> 04:38:13,359
» And this is this is a question for
staff.

3182
04:38:10,320 --> 04:38:18,080
» Would putting in amendments right now be
an appropriate time because we haven't

3183
04:38:15,039 --> 04:38:23,199
even engaged the public. So I would
really like to I you know I don't want

3184
04:38:19,600 --> 04:38:29,119
to put the cart before the horse but um
you know I I getting a consensus that

3185
04:38:25,920 --> 04:38:31,760
people are supporting to move forward
but I

3186
04:38:29,840 --> 04:38:36,561
» well
through process I yeah so I want to see

3187
04:38:34,879 --> 04:38:41,439
what staff comes up I don't want to put
burden we do have big things coming down

3188
04:38:38,561 --> 04:38:46,080
the pike so I do want to be cognizant
>> of the work that we've already put on

3189
04:38:44,561 --> 04:38:49,920
staff
what our goals and objective objectives

3190
04:38:47,520 --> 04:38:55,600
are for this term
and you know as we come together during

3191
04:38:52,799 --> 04:38:59,359
our council retreat you know re-evaluate
some of these priorities but I mean I

3192
04:38:57,760 --> 04:39:03,359
know we have things on the docket right
now so I'm going to pass it over to

3193
04:39:01,840 --> 04:39:05,199
council member Koffer
>> mayor can I jump in real quick

3194
04:39:04,480 --> 04:39:09,760
» yes go for it
>> I think the question today before

3195
04:39:06,959 --> 04:39:14,480
council is do you want us to work on
this I mean in its most simple form

3196
04:39:12,561 --> 04:39:21,279
» yes
>> the next question then is when do you

3197
04:39:18,799 --> 04:39:25,600
want us to to bring the deliverables
back to you?

3198
04:39:23,039 --> 04:39:28,959
» And I think the challenge is ju just to
be clear that the large projects that

3199
04:39:27,359 --> 04:39:32,480
we're working on
>> the load's going to be within the next 6

3200
04:39:30,959 --> 04:39:36,400
to 8 months
>> on on those projects in terms of what

3201
04:39:34,561 --> 04:39:42,638
we're trying to move through. That's I
think what they're alluding to in terms

3202
04:39:38,958 --> 04:39:47,920
of the capacity. council could make the
decision to say, "Yes, we want to move

3203
04:39:45,760 --> 04:39:51,520
forward on this." And then we could have
that as part of the priority

3204
04:39:49,280 --> 04:39:56,638
conversation in the retreat.
>> I um and really kind of lay that out in

3205
04:39:54,160 --> 04:40:00,480
terms of where it sits in terms of all
of the other projects. But the simple

3206
04:39:59,120 --> 04:40:05,120
question is, do you want us to work on
it? Then we can add that then into part

3207
04:40:03,120 --> 04:40:08,160
of the retreat conversation in terms of
timing.

3208
04:40:05,600 --> 04:40:12,480
» Yeah. And we don't need to to table.
We're It's not necessary to table. It's

3209
04:40:10,718 --> 04:40:15,760
not going to save us any
>> as long as you don't tell us we want it

3210
04:40:14,160 --> 04:40:18,638
in the
>> Exactly. Exactly.

3211
04:40:16,878 --> 04:40:21,200
» Where we're now starting to jam, I think
we can bring that in to have that

3212
04:40:20,638 --> 04:40:23,680
conversation.
>> No, that's good. Go ahead, council

3213
04:40:22,798 --> 04:40:29,440
member.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I move to direct staff

3214
04:40:26,400 --> 04:40:34,958
to go for option one with staff's
timeline on when they can fit this in,

3215
04:40:32,240 --> 04:40:38,638
making sure that we do not move any of
our other priorities. So on your own

3216
04:40:37,280 --> 04:40:42,000
timeline,
>> um, bring this back to us.

3217
04:40:40,718 --> 04:40:44,718
» Second.
>> So,

3218
04:40:42,638 --> 04:40:50,000
» yep. The motion was made by council
member Koffer. Seconded by many, I

3219
04:40:47,280 --> 04:40:55,760
think. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Um, I

3220
04:40:53,120 --> 04:41:01,120
» go ahead. Um, council member Christ.
>> Um, thank you, Councilman Coffer. I I

3221
04:41:00,080 --> 04:41:05,520
would actually like to have the
discussion during our retreat which is

3222
04:41:02,958 --> 04:41:09,600
at the end of March to discuss what our
priorities are. I think that's a good

3223
04:41:07,280 --> 04:41:13,360
discussion to have but we may still end
up in the same place. I would just like

3224
04:41:11,760 --> 04:41:17,680
to have that discussion about what
priorities are are

3225
04:41:16,000 --> 04:41:20,560
are the bumps in the road that we need
to deal with

3226
04:41:19,120 --> 04:41:23,520
» I think it's just useful all the way
around.

3227
04:41:21,120 --> 04:41:26,638
» Okay.
>> Yes. Can I can I add that as a friendly

3228
04:41:25,440 --> 04:41:34,320
amendment to what you're
>> So you have made the motion to direct

3229
04:41:29,440 --> 04:41:38,798
staff to um move forward on just
researching and just reviewing this

3230
04:41:36,958 --> 04:41:42,798
process.
We have an active motion on the table.

3231
04:41:40,560 --> 04:41:48,366
It was made by council member Kuffer,
seconded by I like a millisecond

3232
04:41:46,320 --> 04:41:51,280
mayor prom.
[laughter]

3233
04:41:49,040 --> 04:41:56,000
So um are you wanting to make an
amendment? I am I'm asking if you would

3234
04:41:54,000 --> 04:41:59,000
accept a friendly amendment.
>> Okay.

3235
04:42:00,080 --> 04:42:07,520
» I think I'd like to keep it as is and
then if we decide at the retreat to move

3236
04:42:05,840 --> 04:42:12,000
priorities then we can make the decision
then and then we can direct staff at

3237
04:42:09,280 --> 04:42:13,200
that point to rep prioritize.
>> Okay.

3238
04:42:12,320 --> 04:42:16,878
» If that's okay.
>> No. No.

3239
04:42:14,480 --> 04:42:20,080
» It's okay. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yes. Okay. Um, Council Member

3240
04:42:19,120 --> 04:42:24,798
Prito,
>> I I would like staff to come back and

3241
04:42:22,240 --> 04:42:29,920
let us know what they're thinking as far
as the timeline because I don't want

3242
04:42:26,958 --> 04:42:35,200
this to get lost in the the chaos and
the busyiness of everything. just to

3243
04:42:32,878 --> 04:42:39,200
kind of be transparent with our small
businesses

3244
04:42:36,958 --> 04:42:43,440
um to our presenter tonight who's worked
so hard in getting this to council and

3245
04:42:41,440 --> 04:42:49,120
then just for us as council so we can
speak to it to constituents and you know

3246
04:42:47,040 --> 04:42:52,080
um different things like that. So I
would like

3247
04:42:50,480 --> 04:42:54,480
» you guys to come back at some point and
just let us know like

3248
04:42:53,200 --> 04:42:58,000
» like an a quick update.
>> Yeah, just an update just letting us

3249
04:42:56,160 --> 04:43:01,840
know like hey this is where we're at
with our projects. This is what we're

3250
04:42:59,440 --> 04:43:04,240
thinking. This is when you can expect to
see it.

3251
04:43:03,200 --> 04:43:06,638
» Thank you. Yeah.
>> Yeah, we can we can do that as part of

3252
04:43:05,760 --> 04:43:09,200
the process. Okay.
>> And frankly, that may be part of the

3253
04:43:08,000 --> 04:43:14,080
retreat conversation.
>> That's Yeah, that's what I was thinking,

3254
04:43:11,120 --> 04:43:17,600
too. Okay. So, are we ready to vote? Oh,
I see a hand. Okay. Council member

3255
04:43:16,160 --> 04:43:20,240
Popkin.
>> Yeah. I was just wondering if we could

3256
04:43:18,638 --> 04:43:23,280
if I could get clarity on what the
proposed motion is again.

3257
04:43:22,320 --> 04:43:26,878
» Option one.
>> Option one.

3258
04:43:25,040 --> 04:43:31,680
» Okay. Just to adopt option one. Okay.
Yeah. Um

3259
04:43:30,080 --> 04:43:35,440
I'm a little bit here with council
member Christrist on just like I'd love

3260
04:43:34,000 --> 04:43:39,280
for this council which we really haven't
had a chance to really discuss our broad

3261
04:43:37,200 --> 04:43:42,480
portfolio of priorities to discuss that
first. I don't actually think it changes

3262
04:43:40,798 --> 04:43:45,920
the timeline much if we wanted to move
forward. That's my slight preference in

3263
04:43:44,638 --> 04:43:50,480
this process is let's agree on
priorities and then work to implement

3264
04:43:47,360 --> 04:43:53,920
that both as a council and staff. Um I I
don't think it re from what I'm hearing

3265
04:43:52,000 --> 04:43:59,440
it doesn't slow much down because that's
a month away. Um and this wasn't going

3266
04:43:56,718 --> 04:44:02,878
to be solved in four weeks. Um, so I
don't know if it changes much other than

3267
04:44:00,878 --> 04:44:06,480
gives us more clarity and more vision
into a lot of different work plans and

3268
04:44:04,560 --> 04:44:10,718
things that are going on. So if if
council wants to just move forward with

3269
04:44:08,000 --> 04:44:14,240
this and direct it, fine. But um, I I
think it would actually be more

3270
04:44:11,840 --> 04:44:18,320
strategic and and more intentional if we
have a conversation about priorities

3271
04:44:15,760 --> 04:44:22,160
first and then worked to work to
implement those. It's no it's no

3272
04:44:20,480 --> 04:44:26,400
disrespect in any way, shape, or form to
the applicant tonight um, or her

3273
04:44:24,320 --> 04:44:33,680
presentation and and the challenges that
she raised. Okay. Um, so I I think what

3274
04:44:30,480 --> 04:44:37,760
to um what council member Prito had said
that we don't want it to get lost in the

3275
04:44:35,440 --> 04:44:41,200
shuffle. I'll be supporting it tonight
because I want to make sure it's

3276
04:44:38,958 --> 04:44:47,360
bookmarked. I I don't want it to get
lost. Um, so Council Member Marcy.

3277
04:44:45,360 --> 04:44:50,400
» Yeah, just very quickly, I think we can
do the, you know, we can have the

3278
04:44:48,798 --> 04:44:54,000
broader issue conversation about
priorities at the retreat or or wherever

3279
04:44:52,320 --> 04:44:56,718
that conversation takes place. I think
either way, you know, Miss Larner is

3280
04:44:55,360 --> 04:44:59,600
here and has gone through this process
and we're dealing with a specific

3281
04:44:58,000 --> 04:45:02,400
element of our code tonight that's in
front of us that I think there's general

3282
04:45:01,280 --> 04:45:05,680
based on the conversation, there's
general consensus. So, I appreciate the

3283
04:45:04,080 --> 04:45:08,160
thought from Council Member Poppy. I I I
would say let's just go ahead and move

3284
04:45:06,718 --> 04:45:10,160
forward and start the process and see
where we go.

3285
04:45:08,798 --> 04:45:12,320
» Okay, let's go ahead and vote.
>> Just a point of clarification for my

3286
04:45:11,440 --> 04:45:18,718
ownification.
>> Wait, hold on. So, [laughter]

3287
04:45:16,000 --> 04:45:21,280
okay. Did you you've already spoken
twice?

3288
04:45:19,920 --> 04:45:26,878
» No, I've spoken once on this topic. on
this topic. I have it marked down twice.

3289
04:45:24,480 --> 04:45:30,920
» Oh, then clarification. When does the
when does the applicant pay?

3290
04:45:32,160 --> 04:45:40,080
» Good question.
>> Uh I believe there's some flexibility in

3291
04:45:37,200 --> 04:45:43,840
the code, but typically an application
review fees are due at the time of uh

3292
04:45:42,000 --> 04:45:46,798
formal application submittal. We can
work with the applicant on timing and

3293
04:45:45,360 --> 04:45:51,520
everything for every for all that.
>> Yeah. because I think the re, you know,

3294
04:45:49,680 --> 04:45:53,120
there are still other pieces that need
to happen before

3295
04:45:52,638 --> 04:45:58,520
» That's correct.
>> We start collecting dollars. Okay, let's

3296
04:45:55,040 --> 04:45:58,520
go ahead and vote.

3297
04:45:58,718 --> 04:46:01,718
» Yeah.

3298
04:46:10,798 --> 04:46:17,600
» Are we waiting on you or
>> I don't know.

3299
04:46:13,760 --> 04:46:21,600
» Okay. It says waiting, but it's okay.
>> Yep. No, that you're fine. So, the

3300
04:46:19,520 --> 04:46:27,520
motion carries six to one with Cal
Council member Popkin in opposition.

3301
04:46:24,160 --> 04:46:32,320
Okay. So, now we are on
to Yeah, thank you. Um, and I feel like

3302
04:46:30,240 --> 04:46:36,000
Annie, you will not let us let this go
either. So, [laughter]

3303
04:46:34,400 --> 04:46:40,958
so I don't think it'll get lost in the
shuffle. Um, okay. So, Nathan, stay

3304
04:46:38,560 --> 04:46:48,680
close. Zero reading on proposed land
development code. Amendment related to

3305
04:46:43,440 --> 04:46:48,680
drive-thru uses adjacent to Main Street.

3306
04:47:07,280 --> 04:47:13,680
» Good evening. Good evening once again.
Uh my name is Nathan Jones and I am the

3307
04:47:12,240 --> 04:47:17,520
next item I am presenting this evening
is a zero reading of a proposed uh

3308
04:47:16,000 --> 04:47:22,878
another set of proposed amendments to
land development code. This time related

3309
04:47:19,120 --> 04:47:26,878
to drive-through uses on Main Street. Uh
this item really goes back to 2019 and

3310
04:47:25,040 --> 04:47:31,120
the Main Street corridor plan. So, the
main street corridor plan was accepted

3311
04:47:28,320 --> 04:47:36,560
by city council um in 2019 as a
visioning document and uh really set the

3312
04:47:34,080 --> 04:47:41,280
future land use goals for the main
street corridor um up and down

3313
04:47:38,638 --> 04:47:47,120
throughout the city. Um the real intent
of the uh one of the main intents and um

3314
04:47:44,958 --> 04:47:53,280
outcomes of this planning effort uh was
really to try to find ways to transition

3315
04:47:49,920 --> 04:47:56,958
the corridor from an autodominated
um corridor to more of a

3316
04:47:54,798 --> 04:48:02,080
pedestrian-friendly multimmodal
corridor, something that's more human uh

3317
04:47:59,360 --> 04:48:06,560
quoteunquote human scale. Um and as part
of that uh planning effort, it did

3318
04:48:03,840 --> 04:48:12,958
identify and propose some limitations on
uh autoor oriented uses along the along

3319
04:48:09,280 --> 04:48:17,520
the corridor. Um following the 2019 um
acceptance of the corridor plan, city

3320
04:48:14,798 --> 04:48:22,240
staff began working on code amendments
um that would implement that uh long

3321
04:48:20,000 --> 04:48:27,600
range planning effort and brought back a
set of code amendments in 2022. Um,

3322
04:48:25,440 --> 04:48:32,878
these land development code amendments
uh were particularly uh they were

3323
04:48:30,638 --> 04:48:37,360
specific to limitations on permitted
uses, parking lot design, and the

3324
04:48:34,638 --> 04:48:43,040
location of uh drive-throughs along Main
Street, uh, which is the item that, um,

3325
04:48:39,760 --> 04:48:47,920
I'm going through right now. Um, and
specifically, um, it included a

3326
04:48:45,680 --> 04:48:52,638
limitation and a prohibition on new
drive-through uses along Main Street.

3327
04:48:50,480 --> 04:48:55,840
So, it was very clear that um as part of
this uh the staff report and as part of

3328
04:48:54,320 --> 04:49:00,798
the discussion that was surrounding this
that new drive-through uses uh would be

3329
04:48:58,320 --> 04:49:05,920
prohibited along Main Street. Um
however, the actual co adopted code

3330
04:49:03,040 --> 04:49:09,120
language um put that prohibition under
one of the specific uses, the retail

3331
04:49:08,080 --> 04:49:13,440
sales. We'll talk a little bit more
about that in a minute. Um but the code

3332
04:49:11,600 --> 04:49:18,480
adop language that was ultimately
adopted applied that restriction to only

3333
04:49:16,240 --> 04:49:24,958
one of the many different uses that are
allowed in the along the corridor. Um

3334
04:49:21,120 --> 04:49:28,958
between 2022 and today, city staff have
uh through working with um applicants

3335
04:49:27,360 --> 04:49:33,920
and members of the community identified
a gap between what we believe the intent

3336
04:49:31,280 --> 04:49:38,400
of the code amendments was in 2022 and
what we believe the intent of the uh

3337
04:49:36,240 --> 04:49:41,600
corridor plan in 2019 was to do which
was again to uh prohibit new

3338
04:49:40,080 --> 04:49:45,680
drive-through uses along Main Street and
what the actual code language actually

3339
04:49:43,120 --> 04:49:50,400
reads. So, in an effort to further
clarify our requirements and processes,

3340
04:49:48,320 --> 04:49:56,638
um we are proposing some code changes
this evening um uh to to go through the

3341
04:49:53,920 --> 04:50:00,480
existing conditions of uh the land
development code. So, new drive-through

3342
04:49:58,400 --> 04:50:04,160
uses are already prohibited in the
mixeduse downtown zoning district. So,

3343
04:50:02,798 --> 04:50:08,240
that's going to be everything between
essentially 1st Avenue and 9inth Avenue

3344
04:50:06,240 --> 04:50:12,638
along Main Street. So, already new
drive-through uses are prohibited along

3345
04:50:09,920 --> 04:50:16,480
that section of Main Street. Um,
however, what as I just explained, um,

3346
04:50:15,120 --> 04:50:22,718
new drive-through uses are only
prohibited for retail sales between 9th

3347
04:50:19,280 --> 04:50:27,760
Avenue and, uh, Highway 66. Um, the
existing code does not include specific,

3348
04:50:25,360 --> 04:50:32,080
uh, prohibitions for drive-throughs for
restaurants, personal services, banking

3349
04:50:30,240 --> 04:50:36,160
institutions, and other types of uses.
These are uh the type of uh type of

3350
04:50:34,718 --> 04:50:38,878
applications that we've been fielding
and questions that we've been fielding

3351
04:50:37,760 --> 04:50:42,798
from members of the community about
whether or not that code provision

3352
04:50:40,320 --> 04:50:47,840
actually does apply to these other uses.
Um and then lastly, uh it doesn't the

3353
04:50:45,760 --> 04:50:51,360
existing code doesn't explicitly define
what we mean when we say drive-through

3354
04:50:49,600 --> 04:50:55,920
uses. So when are we talking about
drive-throughs as an accessory use

3355
04:50:53,040 --> 04:50:59,520
somewhere just on site or is it use that
is act is the drive-through actually

3356
04:50:57,520 --> 04:51:04,000
connected uh to the physical building in
some way. Um so once again we've kind of

3357
04:51:01,840 --> 04:51:10,638
identified some gaps in how our code is
written um and have uh brought forward

3358
04:51:08,400 --> 04:51:15,600
uh some uh proposed code amendments to
try to address that uh that issue. There

3359
04:51:13,120 --> 04:51:19,600
are five pieces to uh the proposed code
amendments. First, it would allow retail

3360
04:51:17,680 --> 04:51:23,440
sales or add retail sales with
drive-thru as a conditional use uh

3361
04:51:21,920 --> 04:51:27,680
primarily in the mixeduse zoning
districts. It would allow drive-throughs

3362
04:51:25,520 --> 04:51:31,440
as an accessory use again within mixed
use zoning districts. It includes use

3363
04:51:29,680 --> 04:51:35,120
specific standards for drive-throughs.
It clarifies the prohibition for new

3364
04:51:33,360 --> 04:51:39,040
drive-throughs on Main Street along the
entirety of the corridor uh related to

3365
04:51:37,520 --> 04:51:43,680
restaurants, banking institutions,
personal services, and retail sales. Um

3366
04:51:41,760 --> 04:51:47,200
and finally, it includes the definitions
that I was describing earlier,

3367
04:51:45,120 --> 04:51:50,480
definitions for drive-through uses, and
retail sales with drive-throughs. Um as

3368
04:51:49,040 --> 04:51:53,200
part of the backup material here, we did
include some red lines to the land

3369
04:51:51,920 --> 04:51:56,480
development code that goes into more
detail on those items. I can answer

3370
04:51:54,718 --> 04:52:00,160
those if you have questions. I can
answer any questions if you have uh any

3371
04:51:58,560 --> 04:52:05,280
I can answer any questions about those
items if you would like. Um but to wrap

3372
04:52:03,200 --> 04:52:10,000
up my presentation here uh once again we
have two recommendations. Uh in this

3373
04:52:07,680 --> 04:52:13,040
case uh staff is recommending that you
move forward with these items primarily

3374
04:52:11,680 --> 04:52:16,718
because of the previous planning efforts
that uh have already been conducted on

3375
04:52:15,200 --> 04:52:20,798
this particular issue and the
stakeholder engagement that has already

3376
04:52:18,400 --> 04:52:25,360
taken place um and because we've kind of
already done the work of identifying the

3377
04:52:22,638 --> 04:52:28,638
gaps in code. So, um, the recommendation
is to move forward with option one in

3378
04:52:27,440 --> 04:52:34,638
this case.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, where'd you go? I

3379
04:52:32,080 --> 04:52:39,680
thought eight was up. Okay. Council
member Koffer.

3380
04:52:36,400 --> 04:52:43,360
» Thank you, uh, mayor. Um, so this would
eliminate drive-throughs on Main Street.

3381
04:52:41,920 --> 04:52:47,200
But what if they were on the corner,
let's say, of 15th and Main Street?

3382
04:52:45,600 --> 04:52:50,160
Could they have a drive-thru on 15th,
just not on Main Street?

3383
04:52:48,638 --> 04:52:57,120
» I believe the prohibition applies to
lots adjacent to Main Street. I know.

3384
04:52:54,160 --> 04:52:59,840
» So, um, so yeah. So, part of the part of
the issue that we've been, uh, running

3385
04:52:58,638 --> 04:53:04,400
into is really where does that
prohibition begin and end?

3386
04:53:01,680 --> 04:53:08,480
» Um, and how does it apply to some of
these, um, kind of nuance cases? If you

3387
04:53:07,040 --> 04:53:11,920
start to look at, uh, the built
environment between 9th along the

3388
04:53:10,160 --> 04:53:17,680
mixeduse corridor zoning district
between 9th a and uh, highway 66,

3389
04:53:14,400 --> 04:53:21,600
there's uh, quite a bit of undeveloped
parking lot space. And so, um, again,

3390
04:53:19,760 --> 04:53:24,958
once again, when you look at
redevelopment for those parking lot

3391
04:53:23,040 --> 04:53:28,000
areas, how they can be reconfigured,
we've been fielding a lot of questions

3392
04:53:26,240 --> 04:53:33,120
about whether or not new drive-through
uses would be allowed. Uh, once again,

3393
04:53:30,320 --> 04:53:37,920
these these um code provisions would
clarify that. It would not allow any new

3394
04:53:36,560 --> 04:53:41,280
drive-throughs. That doesn't affect
existing drive-throughs. We have a whole

3395
04:53:39,760 --> 04:53:45,120
other standard related to non-conforming
uses that would uh apply. So, if there

3396
04:53:43,280 --> 04:53:49,120
is an existing drive-through use, that
would be allowed to continue. Um, could

3397
04:53:47,520 --> 04:53:52,718
also be the case that it doesn't have to
be the same user. It doesn't have to go

3398
04:53:50,560 --> 04:53:56,878
from like a McDonald's to a it could go
from a McDonald's to a Starbucks or vice

3399
04:53:54,400 --> 04:54:01,600
versa. As long as the um use is not
expanding and as long as the um there

3400
04:53:59,200 --> 04:54:04,160
are no real changes to the impact of of
the drive-thru, it would still be

3401
04:54:02,878 --> 04:54:09,280
permitted. So,
>> um so this would 100% eliminate

3402
04:54:07,200 --> 04:54:12,320
drive-throughs or they would have to the
applicant would have to come and say,

3403
04:54:10,480 --> 04:54:17,760
"Hey, I would like a conditional use to
allow a drive-through or just

3404
04:54:14,400 --> 04:54:21,680
» prohibit it." So as opposed so the land
development code table of uses includes

3405
04:54:19,440 --> 04:54:25,760
three different types of permissions
prohibited allowed by right or

3406
04:54:24,000 --> 04:54:29,520
conditional. We also have secondary uses
which is slightly different um but in

3407
04:54:27,920 --> 04:54:34,320
this case it would prohibit new
drive-throughs. So um they would have

3408
04:54:31,760 --> 04:54:41,360
that if somebody wanted to propose a
drive-thru uh they would have to um

3409
04:54:38,638 --> 04:54:46,080
I uh believe they would have to reszone
the property. Um, and we've also

3410
04:54:43,280 --> 04:54:50,798
structured these um, we've also
structured the prohibitions to apply

3411
04:54:48,240 --> 04:54:53,760
specifically to the use. So, yes, the
it's a long answer to your question.

3412
04:54:52,080 --> 04:54:58,878
Yes, it would prohibit any new
drive-throughs. So, um I am not for curb

3413
04:54:56,560 --> 04:55:03,360
cuts because I want us to be um more
multimodal and I think drive-throughs

3414
04:55:01,280 --> 04:55:08,480
can there's a coffee shop on Main Street
that sometimes you get stuck because the

3415
04:55:05,760 --> 04:55:13,840
drive-thru line is so long it's going
into Main Street and that causes uh

3416
04:55:11,440 --> 04:55:18,320
congestion and people driving around
them and it causes hazards for the

3417
04:55:16,080 --> 04:55:25,200
drivers and the pedestrians u block
sidewalks for ADA issues. Um, I am I am

3418
04:55:23,040 --> 04:55:30,718
my transportation hat is coming in hard
on this one, even though I'm very

3419
04:55:27,520 --> 04:55:37,040
businessfriendly, too. Um, but it
creates so many issues when you have

3420
04:55:32,958 --> 04:55:41,840
curb cuts on a major road that I'm
wanting to say no more curb cuts because

3421
04:55:39,440 --> 04:55:47,040
I want us to
have the space for multimodal and I

3422
04:55:44,560 --> 04:55:53,440
don't want us to also gum up
transportation when it comes to vehicle

3423
04:55:49,360 --> 04:55:58,320
traffic on a major road in our town.
>> Um, so I I think I'm going to be for

3424
04:55:56,798 --> 04:56:02,718
option one.
Okay, thank you. I think that's I

3425
04:56:01,280 --> 04:56:06,878
thought that's where you were going with
this. Um, Council Member Marcen,

3426
04:56:05,520 --> 04:56:10,958
» thank you, Mayor. Just a couple of quick
questions. Thanks for the presentation.

3427
04:56:08,798 --> 04:56:14,320
Um, you've mentioned several times that
there are like some practical examples

3428
04:56:12,400 --> 04:56:18,878
of where this has run into conflict with
applicants. Can you just give me a sense

3429
04:56:16,160 --> 04:56:22,480
of give us a sense of like where what
those have been, who those applicants

3430
04:56:20,400 --> 04:56:25,520
are, what the confusion has been? Are
folks wanting to open drive-throughs and

3431
04:56:24,160 --> 04:56:29,360
they're confused about what the
prohibition is? what's been the like

3432
04:56:27,760 --> 04:56:33,360
practical implication here and I'm
asking that partly because I'm a little

3433
04:56:31,200 --> 04:56:37,360
worried about opportunity cost in this
to some degree about about like what

3434
04:56:35,840 --> 04:56:39,440
like it I agree on a lot of points but
I'm just curious about practically what

3435
04:56:38,638 --> 04:56:42,798
we've run into.
>> Sure. Um and I guess I should take a

3436
04:56:40,958 --> 04:56:46,240
step back. We did believe that the part
of the impetus of all this was we did

3437
04:56:44,958 --> 04:56:50,480
believe it was the intent of the
original 2022 code to apply this

3438
04:56:48,560 --> 04:56:54,560
prohibition throughout the entirety of
the corridor. Um, so setting that aside

3439
04:56:53,200 --> 04:56:57,920
to answer your question without using
specific business names, um, I think

3440
04:56:56,480 --> 04:57:00,958
primarily restaurants with
drive-throughs. So that would be like a

3441
04:56:59,680 --> 04:57:05,840
drive-through coffee shop or a
drive-through restaurant, um, banking

3442
04:57:03,120 --> 04:57:08,958
services. So a bank with a drive-thru
and um, things like that.

3443
04:57:07,600 --> 04:57:11,360
» And I know it's probably I probably you
probably can't disclose it, but part of

3444
04:57:10,000 --> 04:57:14,080
me does want to know what the specific
business, you know, organizations that

3445
04:57:12,878 --> 04:57:21,360
we're talking about are in terms of
scope and scale, but um, yeah. Okay. I I

3446
04:57:17,840 --> 04:57:26,958
appreciate that. Thank you.
Okay, Council Member Prito,

3447
04:57:24,878 --> 04:57:32,240
» just some thoughts that I'm having. Um,
thank you for your presentation. Um, one

3448
04:57:29,920 --> 04:57:37,680
of the thoughts just for my council, my
fellow council members. Um, is kind of

3449
04:57:35,520 --> 04:57:42,958
just like what is our vision for North
Maine? Um, you mentioned 9th Avenue to

3450
04:57:40,958 --> 04:57:47,760
66 and what's the feedback from the
neighbors and yeah, do we want a bunch

3451
04:57:45,280 --> 04:57:52,240
of drive-throughs? like is that what
that neighborhood wants to see, you

3452
04:57:50,240 --> 04:57:57,520
know? Um is that what is that what
they're wanting? I know that they talk a

3453
04:57:53,760 --> 04:58:02,080
lot about like downtown and how come we
don't take kind of that aspect of

3454
04:57:59,280 --> 04:58:07,040
downtown up north kind of in your your
area, Susie.

3455
04:58:03,680 --> 04:58:13,200
» Um and so yeah, I mean I would I would
be for um not having more

3456
04:58:10,718 --> 04:58:18,878
drive-throughs. I don't think that's the
vision I have. Neither have I heard

3457
04:58:16,240 --> 04:58:26,080
that's the vision that constituents want
is just a bunch of fast food drive-thru

3458
04:58:22,080 --> 04:58:31,600
kind of places. Um so that was that's
one of the thoughts I had. Um another

3459
04:58:29,040 --> 04:58:38,240
question I had too and I'm blanking
here. Um

3460
04:58:34,560 --> 04:58:44,080
was oh the so the current like so let's
say McDonald's on 19th Avenue uh shuts

3461
04:58:42,160 --> 04:58:47,440
down. Could another place come in and
use that drive-thru that's already set

3462
04:58:46,240 --> 04:58:52,160
in place? Okay. So,
>> I think there's some technical issues

3463
04:58:49,120 --> 04:58:56,480
there. So long as the use is not um
considered abandoned for a long period

3464
04:58:54,480 --> 04:59:02,560
of time. So, if it's three or four years
between like um renovation, then it

3465
04:59:00,958 --> 04:59:05,440
would be considered covered under our
code.

3466
04:59:02,958 --> 04:59:09,680
» Okay. And and this doesn't impact kind
of like our food trucks and and uh

3467
04:59:08,160 --> 04:59:14,560
businesses like that.
>> Food trucks are considered mobile food

3468
04:59:11,120 --> 04:59:17,600
vendors. uh and not the same as a
>> drive-thru. Okay. I just want to make

3469
04:59:16,400 --> 04:59:22,798
sure that this doesn't have like
unintended, you know, consequences for

3470
04:59:20,878 --> 04:59:26,718
some of those business owners.
>> Okay. Yeah. I would I would go for your

3471
04:59:24,798 --> 04:59:30,718
recommendation. I I don't like I said, I
don't think my vision for North Main is

3472
04:59:28,878 --> 04:59:35,520
a bunch of drive-throughs. [laughter]
I do see eventually my hope is that we

3473
04:59:33,280 --> 04:59:39,920
can take what we have going on downtown
and and move it up north. So, [laughter]

3474
04:59:38,718 --> 04:59:45,280
» thank you. Thank you for your
presentation. So, um, just for

3475
04:59:42,638 --> 04:59:50,560
clarification, so I'm I'm thinking about
some of the drive-thrus like Starbucks

3476
04:59:48,718 --> 04:59:53,440
near 17th.
>> Sure.

3477
04:59:51,200 --> 04:59:58,080
» So, that's not coming. It doesn't You
don't enter it. You actually go into the

3478
04:59:55,120 --> 05:00:02,080
parking lot to go through. So, would
those continue to be permissible

3479
05:00:00,798 --> 05:00:06,400
» under this code [clears throat] change?
>> Once again, if it's an existing

3480
05:00:03,520 --> 05:00:10,878
drive-thru, it's allowed to continue um
for any site design issue. So, anytime a

3481
05:00:09,280 --> 05:00:13,040
new building, if we're talking about a
new construction of like a new

3482
05:00:12,400 --> 05:00:16,000
Starbucks, right?
>> Yes. A new Starbucks.

3483
05:00:13,920 --> 05:00:19,440
» There are some other site design issues.
So, through the site development review

3484
05:00:17,920 --> 05:00:25,280
process, our engineers are going to look
at um traffic circulation, not just off

3485
05:00:22,560 --> 05:00:30,080
of the main roads, but also onto like
within the actual parking lot itself. We

3486
05:00:27,600 --> 05:00:35,600
have different regulations related to uh
the spacing between curb cuts. Um so, we

3487
05:00:33,200 --> 05:00:40,480
wouldn't permit a driveway spacing that
was too close together. Um and it's uh

3488
05:00:38,798 --> 05:00:44,160
as you guys may have been aware of
through the traffic impact study and

3489
05:00:42,080 --> 05:00:48,160
traffic impact analysis uh we also have
to look at if there's these queuing

3490
05:00:46,000 --> 05:00:52,480
lines that go on forever and ever does
that stop up everything down the line.

3491
05:00:50,320 --> 05:00:57,120
» Um so that is those are all things that
we normally review as a standard site

3492
05:00:54,480 --> 05:01:01,200
development plan. Um and
>> so all that to say if um like under

3493
05:00:59,680 --> 05:01:04,798
existing conditions if council were to
say we don't want to move forward with

3494
05:01:02,400 --> 05:01:08,798
this at all. We want to allow new new
drive-throughs for restaurants. Um,

3495
05:01:07,360 --> 05:01:12,718
» it may be the case that there may be
some still some other site design issues

3496
05:01:10,798 --> 05:01:18,638
that are insurmountable for certain
parcels um or certain certain lots along

3497
05:01:15,520 --> 05:01:22,080
Main Street. Um, but once again again um
from the corridor planning effort that

3498
05:01:20,320 --> 05:01:25,920
was done in 2019
>> and and I I keep going back to that

3499
05:01:24,000 --> 05:01:31,200
because that did have a fairly robust
stakeholder engagement process and did

3500
05:01:27,760 --> 05:01:35,200
set the policy for future actions. Um
that's again once we started to realize

3501
05:01:33,200 --> 05:01:38,638
or notice that uh identify that there
was this gap that's why we um made the

3502
05:01:37,200 --> 05:01:41,200
determination to bring it forward to
clarification for clarification from

3503
05:01:40,560 --> 05:01:45,120
this council
>> and that's kind of when I onboarded onto

3504
05:01:43,600 --> 05:01:47,520
council and it was like some of this
looks familiar and I was like wait

3505
05:01:46,240 --> 05:01:51,120
didn't we pass something like this
already [laughter]

3506
05:01:48,480 --> 05:01:54,638
» and and not to to belabor the previous
point I think the previous conversation

3507
05:01:53,040 --> 05:01:58,958
as well we were talking about time and
unintended consequences because this is

3508
05:01:57,200 --> 05:02:01,360
as you're if you're pushing these things
through

3509
05:02:00,000 --> 05:02:04,958
» these These are the things we need to be
careful with if we're try if we're

3510
05:02:03,200 --> 05:02:11,360
pushing things through pretty fast.
>> Got it. Okay. Um, Council Member Popkin.

3511
05:02:10,000 --> 05:02:15,120
» Yeah. Thanks, Mayor, and thanks, Nathan,
for the good work on this. Um, I I

3512
05:02:13,760 --> 05:02:19,200
support the direction on number one, and
I'll just leave with that. Um, the the

3513
05:02:17,920 --> 05:02:24,480
other context I just wanted to share
with my fellow council members. Um about

3514
05:02:22,718 --> 05:02:28,560
I guess it was about a year and a half
ago, the planning and zoning commission

3515
05:02:26,000 --> 05:02:33,040
started a conversation about the future
of drive-throughs in our community

3516
05:02:29,840 --> 05:02:36,160
overall. Um we had seen three come in in
different places that were more intended

3517
05:02:34,718 --> 05:02:41,680
to be kind of regional centers,
pedestrian uh plaza, pedestrian

3518
05:02:38,958 --> 05:02:46,400
oriented, multimodal oriented um areas
according to Envision Longmont and our

3519
05:02:43,280 --> 05:02:50,400
code going forward. And so PNZ started
that conversation. I don't think there

3520
05:02:47,840 --> 05:02:54,718
was any formal recommendation from PNZ
yet. Um, and I emailed with staff a bit

3521
05:02:53,440 --> 05:02:58,400
in advance of this meeting to understand
if this was the right time to bring some

3522
05:02:56,080 --> 05:03:01,760
of those forward. Um, staff advised no,
not not for this one. That was too

3523
05:02:59,840 --> 05:03:05,280
different materially from this Main
Street corridor update, but I just

3524
05:03:03,280 --> 05:03:09,280
wanted to kind of telegraph like that is
a conversation that's already been had a

3525
05:03:07,840 --> 05:03:12,560
little bit in the conversation about the
future of drive-throughs in multiple

3526
05:03:10,638 --> 05:03:16,240
parts of our community. Um, I'm for
advancing part one here and I hope that

3527
05:03:14,320 --> 05:03:21,200
we can have a conversation about kind of
making some uh code adjustments uh for

3528
05:03:19,280 --> 05:03:25,440
what allowed uses uh regarding
drive-throughs more broadly.

3529
05:03:22,560 --> 05:03:30,080
» Okay. Um, Mayor Prom,
>> thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you, Nathan.

3530
05:03:28,000 --> 05:03:36,400
I I appreciate this. I wanted to just
kind of echo what uh Council Member

3531
05:03:32,718 --> 05:03:43,600
Koffer was uh pointing out earlier about
uh ADA and and that sort of thing, but

3532
05:03:39,200 --> 05:03:50,320
also um you know when I was I remember a
study that I was uh helping with with

3533
05:03:46,718 --> 05:03:54,718
Dicky Lee Haulinghor and uh and Ron
Stewart uh when Ron was a county

3534
05:03:52,878 --> 05:04:02,718
commissioner and they were trying to
trying to slow down um uh trying

3535
05:03:59,280 --> 05:04:09,600
stop or, you know, figure out what we're
doing about cars idling in a in a

3536
05:04:06,000 --> 05:04:16,480
drive-thru. and um and the impact of
that and I think a little bit about uh

3537
05:04:11,760 --> 05:04:22,718
that uh and and I think that uh uh we
have to think that there's so many

3538
05:04:18,798 --> 05:04:27,360
aspects of this that are negative to our
community that the ones that are there

3539
05:04:25,200 --> 05:04:33,840
and the exceptions that we make down the
line here uh will uh uh will be

3540
05:04:30,160 --> 05:04:38,480
exceptions that are are really um uh
major exceptions, not not some sort of

3541
05:04:36,400 --> 05:04:43,600
like, hey, you get one and everybody
else gets one down the line here. So, I

3542
05:04:40,638 --> 05:04:47,840
I want to stress that uh that I think um
where we're going with this is uh you

3543
05:04:46,080 --> 05:04:54,638
know, maybe we don't know what the the
game plan is for, uh every part of

3544
05:04:51,120 --> 05:05:00,160
Longmont or how things might change, but
and here's the butt. the the butt is

3545
05:04:57,120 --> 05:05:05,760
that uh we can always make exceptions if
we absolutely have to because there's a

3546
05:05:02,878 --> 05:05:13,356
uh to council member Mars point there a
costbenefit analysis that actually

3547
05:05:08,878 --> 05:05:17,600
uh helps everybody hey call it
[laughter] hey you know what don't claim

3548
05:05:15,360 --> 05:05:21,040
I wasn't listening buddy okay
>> thank you [laughter]

3549
05:05:18,480 --> 05:05:27,680
um Council Member Christ
>> thank you mayor um thank you Mr. Jones

3550
05:05:24,798 --> 05:05:33,200
Meyer. Um,
how many applications do you have for

3551
05:05:29,440 --> 05:05:38,240
drive-throughs right now on Main Street?
>> On Main Street, none. Because we've

3552
05:05:35,680 --> 05:05:41,920
interpreted that code to apply to all
drive-throughs.

3553
05:05:39,200 --> 05:05:47,040
» Okay. Um,
then if I were choosing

3554
05:05:44,560 --> 05:05:54,480
how to spend your time, I would rather
you spend your time on the mixeduse

3555
05:05:51,280 --> 05:05:59,280
employment issue than reworking the code
in this regard right now because I think

3556
05:05:57,680 --> 05:06:02,718
my main street's kind of full. I don't
think we're going to have a lot of new

3557
05:06:00,798 --> 05:06:07,440
applications.
>> I guess I should clarify my answer then.

3558
05:06:04,878 --> 05:06:10,480
We have received several pre-application
meetings for requests for

3559
05:06:09,440 --> 05:06:17,200
drive-throughs. Okay.
>> So, between 2020 2022 and today, we have

3560
05:06:14,160 --> 05:06:22,958
received several requests to initiate
develop drive-thru developments along

3561
05:06:19,520 --> 05:06:27,440
Main Street. Um, we have denied them or
told them that the use applies to that

3562
05:06:25,120 --> 05:06:32,080
that prohibition applies to their use.
Uh, and again, these cleanup efforts, we

3563
05:06:29,280 --> 05:06:36,000
we see these as cleanup efforts. Um,
again based off of prior discussions

3564
05:06:33,840 --> 05:06:38,958
that were that had previously happened.
So um,

3565
05:06:37,120 --> 05:06:41,280
» so how much time will this take for you
to do?

3566
05:06:39,760 --> 05:06:46,160
» I believe we've already done the red
lines and we would bring these back the

3567
05:06:43,280 --> 05:06:49,600
next available council meeting for uh, I
believe we indicated that we would bring

3568
05:06:47,600 --> 05:06:53,040
it in next available council meeting for
determination.

3569
05:06:50,798 --> 05:06:57,360
» Okay. Because I have also noticed that
and I'll this is to councelor Popkins

3570
05:06:55,600 --> 05:07:01,920
comment. I have noticed that planning
and zoning has flagged these for us um

3571
05:07:00,400 --> 05:07:07,760
for the last three times that they've
had this. Um so um then okay, I'm on

3572
05:07:06,160 --> 05:07:11,200
board with number one.
>> Would you like to make a motion?

3573
05:07:09,200 --> 05:07:15,200
» I move
>> that we direct staff to proceed with the

3574
05:07:13,120 --> 05:07:18,000
proposed land development code amendment
and schedule a public hearing.

3575
05:07:17,200 --> 05:07:23,280
» Second.
>> Okay. So, the motion has been made um by

3576
05:07:21,680 --> 05:07:28,000
um Council Member Chris, seconded by
Council Member Marcine, and the third um

3577
05:07:26,000 --> 05:07:32,272
disembodied voice
>> um council member Popkin. [laughter]

3578
05:07:32,320 --> 05:07:39,400
» I couldn't see him. I just heard the
voice. [laughter]

3579
05:07:35,360 --> 05:07:39,400
» Okay, let's go ahead and vote.

3580
05:07:40,160 --> 05:07:43,160
» Nope.

3581
05:07:46,400 --> 05:07:49,400
» Marcine

3582
05:07:51,212 --> 05:07:57,280
» [laughter]
>> Yeah, give us another problem.

3583
05:07:53,920 --> 05:08:00,560
» Give us another problem.
>> Okay.

3584
05:07:58,320 --> 05:08:05,120
» And so that carries unanimously. Thank
you. Um, thanks for putting up with us.

3585
05:08:04,320 --> 05:08:10,718
» Thanks, Joe.
>> Uh, okay. We are on to the 2026

3586
05:08:08,320 --> 05:08:13,040
legislative bills recommended for city
council position.

3587
05:08:11,680 --> 05:08:16,480
» That one's the one we're pulling because
>> Oh, that's the one we're pulling. Never

3588
05:08:14,240 --> 05:08:20,320
mind. That was so many pages ago. That
is never mind. So we are now

3589
05:08:19,440 --> 05:08:26,320
» almost yesterday.
>> Yeah, that was almost that was yes. No,

3590
05:08:22,160 --> 05:08:29,520
almost yesterday. Um so we are now at
final call public invited to be heard.

3591
05:08:28,160 --> 05:08:34,798
Are there any members of the public who
wish to speak? Thank you. Thank you.

3592
05:08:32,718 --> 05:08:41,680
Okay. And now we are at mayor and
council comments.

3593
05:08:38,080 --> 05:08:48,320
I can wait. [laughter]
>> Okay. Yeah, I'm tired. That's that's my

3594
05:08:44,080 --> 05:08:51,920
comment. Um, okay. We are now on to
um no city manager remarks. Does the

3595
05:08:50,798 --> 05:08:55,120
city manager have any comments?
>> No comments, mayor, council.

3596
05:08:53,120 --> 05:08:57,280
» Thank you. City attorney.
>> No comments, mayor.

3597
05:08:56,320 --> 05:09:00,878
» Okay.
>> Okay. Motion has been made to adjurnn.

3598
05:08:59,280 --> 05:09:06,878
Seconded by council member Christ. All
those in favor?

3599
05:09:02,160 --> 05:09:10,200
» I opposed. Okay. We we are adjourned.
>> Thanks for the

3600
05:09:13,088 --> 05:09:15,108
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3601
05:09:17,674 --> 05:09:19,694
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