I would la now like to call the January
13, 2026 Longmont City Council regular
session to order. The live stream of
this meeting can be viewed at the city's
YouTube channel or longpublicdia.org
um front back slwatch back um backslash
or comcast channels 8 and 880. Uh can we
have a roll call, please?
>> Absolutely. Mayor Doggoering
» Absolutely. Mayor Doggoering
>> here.
» here.
>> Mayor Prom McCoy
» Mayor Prom McCoy
>> present.
» present.
>> Council member Christ
» Council member Christ
>> present.
» present.
>> Council member Marcen
» Council member Marcen
>> here.
» here.
>> Council member Prito
» Council member Prito
>> present.
» present.
>> Council member Popkin
» Council member Popkin
>> here.
» here.
>> Mayor Yavor.
» Mayor Yavor.
>> Okay, let's stand for the pledge.
» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
» In accordance with council's rules of
procedure, the rules for providing
public comment are as follows. Only
Longmont residents and employees of the
city of Longmont may speak during first
call public invited to be heard. You
must provide your um address on the
signup sheet before the meeting or I
will not call your name. Each speaker is
limited to three minutes.
Anyone may speak on second reading or
public hearing um public hearing of an
item. Uh you are asked to add your name
to the speaker list for the specific
item before the meeting. Anyone may
speak during final call public invited
to be heard. Members of the audience
shall refrain from vulgar, disruptive,
or abusive language, applause, heckling,
or other actions that interfere with the
orderly function of council. May I have
a um so we are now at the approval of
the December 16th, 2025 minutes. Uh may
I have a motion to approve the minutes?
>> Okay, so the um motion has been made by
» Okay, so the um motion has been made by
Mayor Prom McCoy. And do I have a
second?
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Um and council member Prietto has
» Um and council member Prietto has
seconded that. Is there discussion?
Okay, there you are. Council member
Christ.
Um, hold on. There you go.
so I noticed we had a discussion early
on um in terms of our um appointments to
boards about the airport advisory board
and after that uh we had other
appointments that we made where we were
not able to fill the boards and it says
that council did not fill this seat and
I I just want to be clear that there was
no controversy in any of the other
boards and so I'm suggesting that maybe
we add having the words having no other
um applications that seat was not filled
for what whichever board it is
>> specifically what page are you looking
» specifically what page are you looking
on
>> I just want to see the language
» I just want to see the language
>> and I'm trying to find it now because um
» and I'm trying to find it now because um
let's see
let me make sure I'm in the right one
here
that happened later in the
So hang on.
» Start on.
>> Thank you.
» Okay. I'm only on 10. So
>> Okay. If you refer to 16 and 17.
» Okay. If you refer to 16 and 17.
Thank you, councelor Mercy.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay.
So on page 16 [sighs]
um
there was a discussion about the airport
advisory board and um reopening
applications and then um
later on for instance on 17 it uh the it
is annotated that one vacancy was not
filled without explanation.
And um whereas uh when it comes to the
golf course advisory board, it says no
applications were received for this
board. Thus, two vacancies were not
filled. So I just want to be consistent
and say uh where
um for instance housing and human ser
human services
uh
we appointed one individual and then
three vacancies were not filled. And so
I would like to add a verbiage that says
having no other applicants, three
vacancies were not filled
because then you go to master board of
appeals and it says no applications were
received. Thus, three vacancies were not
filled. Um
so um so Don
is that something we can just amend? Do
you want um do you need a
>> We can make that addition. That's
» We can make that addition. That's
>> We can make it that addition. Okay.
» We can make it that addition. Okay.
>> Or that correction amendment. Okay. And
» Or that correction amendment. Okay. And
before we route them to you for final
signature.
>> Okay. Does anyone is anyone in
» Okay. Does anyone is anyone in
opposition of making the adjustment to
for um consistency in language.
Okay. So,
okay. Let me go back to the main page.
So, we have an open motion. So to
approve the December 16th, 2025 minutes
with the um clarification in board
appointments.
Um
so Mayor Prom, do you
>> I'm fine with that.
» I'm fine with that.
>> Okay. Okay. So let's go ahead and vote
» Okay. Okay. So let's go ahead and vote
on the motion with the changes.
>> We do. We have the options. options.
» We're not supposed to have all those
options. [laughter]
» Okay. So, um the minutes have been
approved. They carry um unanimously.
>> Okay. I see Alex's name on there, but
» Okay. I see Alex's name on there, but
not yet.
Okay.
So now we are on to agenda re um
revisions, submissions of documents and
motions to direct city manager to add
future agenda items. Um do we have any
are there any agenda revisions or
motions to
um for future agenda items? Council
member
Marcen.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I move that we direct
» Thank you, Mayor. I move that we direct
the city manager to place on the agenda
for the February 3rd study session an
item to review and discuss rule 27
sections F through M of the city council
rules of procedure related to board and
commission appointments prior to the
next board and commission recruitment
cycle.
>> Seconded.
» Seconded.
>> Okay. So um the motion has been made by
» Okay. So um the motion has been made by
council member Marcen, seconded by
council member McCoy. Um, so we Oops, I
accidentally turned you off. It um, so I
was going to ask if we had any
discussion. Council member Popkin.
>> Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you,
» Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you,
uh, Council Member Marcos. Just for, uh,
those of us who don't have the rules and
procedures up in front of us and for the
members of the public here, could you
just elaborate on what those specific
rules refer to? Yeah, essentially rule
27 was a rule added, my understanding
mayor would have the history better
around 2019 2020 that reestablished a
new process for how board and
commissions were to be appointed, for
how members were to be appointed. It
essentially empowered boards to have a
significant say in in that overall
process. Sections F through M
specifically speaks to how that is to
happen. Boards will interview
candidates, recommend candidates, etc.,
etc. I'm not necessarily tonight
commenting on the substance of of you
know what the conversation is. I'm
saying we need to have that conversation
about whether that specific section of
our rules of procedure and how the board
appointment process currently works is
still working for us as a council. And
that's and and to do that before we open
up the process again.
>> Uh thank you council member Russ. And
» Uh thank you council member Russ. And
then the other question I had uh I think
maybe this is for the mayor. Um, do we
have any study session yet planned where
we're talking about kind of uh council's
expectation like process and
expectations for what we desire from uh
proactively from our boards and
commissions yet? I know that topic came
up a little bit the end of last year and
so I'm just curious if that's scheduled
yet. So I had during the last discussion
asked to be put on a future agenda a
discussion on our liaison
>> but I'm almost wondering and we'll we'll
» but I'm almost wondering and we'll we'll
once we discuss around retreat that
might be a better conversation for the
retreat since it's not
>> actually it might not be changing langu
» actually it might not be changing langu
it's not going to be changing language
on our rules of procedure it's just how
we conduct ourselves and we're all on
the same page for liaison you know our
conduct as liaison Um, so I I feel like
those are two separate conversations
even though they're related to advisory
boards.
>> Oh, that's fine. I was just curious if
» Oh, that's fine. I was just curious if
that was
>> so that Yeah, I don't I don't want to
» so that Yeah, I don't I don't want to
interweave those two together. Um, so
yeah. So I hope that answers that.
>> It does. Thank you.
» It does. Thank you.
>> Very good. Okay. Do we have any other
» Very good. Okay. Do we have any other
Okay.
>> Okay. So if we don't have any other
» Okay. So if we don't have any other
discussion on the matter, let's go ahead
and vote.
Okay. And the um motion carries
unanimously to add to a February 3rd
study session item um to discuss rule 27
of our council rules and procedures.
Okay. So now we are on to Oh, unless we
have Oh, yeah. You too. There you go.
Thank you. Um Council Member Christ.
Thank you, mayor. I move that we also
bring back on February 3rd study session
a discussion about our city flag and
installing a new flag pole at the civic
center.
» Seconded.
>> Thank you. Okay. So, the motion to um
» Thank you. Okay. So, the motion to um
discuss our city flag and
>> was the other and a flag pole um in
» was the other and a flag pole um in
front of our civic center was made by
council member Chris, seconded by
council member McCoy. Do we have any
discussion on the matter? Um council
member Marcy.
>> Thank you, mayor. Just a quick question.
» Thank you, mayor. Just a quick question.
And council member Christ, is your hope
with the motion and the discussion to
discuss the appearance of the flag, the
contents of the flag, or just hanging
the current city flag in its own space
in front of the the in front of on a new
flag pole? Like what is the intent? Is
it a broader conversation about the flag
or just about placement? Because we've
had members of the public come forward
and comment about the flag. So, I'm
looking to just wonder what the scope
you're looking for here is.
>> Well, thank you, Council Marzy.
» Well, thank you, Council Marzy.
Uh first of all, I think we should fly
the flag that we have, you know, with
pride and uh we have it second to the uh
Colorado flag at the at this time. Would
be nice to have its own flag pole, but
secondarily, this is also our America
250, Colorado 150 celebration year. And
I realize that our flag is about 52
years old. And maybe this is a good time
to reconsider and come up with a
commemorate commemorative flag perhaps
to to mark our 150th and 250th
anniversary and um other members of the
public has have discussed this with our
staff and it seems like there would be
some expense to putting in a new flag
pole. uh one of the national initiatives
is to create service uh year of service
for America 250. And so I would just
like to have a discussion on February
3rd about what do we need to do to have
that happen so that we can take it
forward to the public, find funding for
it if there is um interest in it and um
can make it happen.
>> So clarification on the it. So, I heard
» So clarification on the it. So, I heard
you say um it So, are you referring to
the flag pole for public input on the
flag pole or public input on redesigning
the flag?
>> Both would have some expense. So, it' be
» Both would have some expense. So, it' be
nice to know how much for each
>> for each. Okay.
» for each. Okay.
>> And then see if we can get participation
» And then see if we can get participation
to do one or both.
>> Okay. Um so, we're not making up our
» Okay. Um so, we're not making up our
mind tonight. It would just be voting to
to put this on a future study session
item. Um, are there any other questions?
Okay. So, let's go ahead and vote.
Okay. So, that carries. Um, the motion
carries. Um, five to one with council
member Marcine in descent.
>> Oh, okay. Well, we can bring it forward
» Oh, okay. Well, we can bring it forward
to discuss and then you could say I love
the current flag. Don't change it. So,
[laughter]
okay. So, um, now we're on to the city
manager's report. Does the city manager
have a report?
>> No report, mayor, council.
» No report, mayor, council.
>> Okay. Thank you. We are now on to
» Okay. Thank you. We are now on to
special reports and presentations. Um,
so we are now at item A, the
administration of oath of office to city
council member Ward 3 after election by
acclamation. Um, I'm inviting our city
clerk, Don Kintana, to administer oath
of office to council member Kulkoffer.
And I hope I said it correct.
» Test test.
Extend.
» I'm gonna have you hold the microphone.
>> What if I drop it?
» What if I drop it?
>> In your left hand.
» In your left hand.
>> Raise your right hand.
» Raise your right hand.
>> Repeat after me. I state your name.
» Repeat after me. I state your name.
>> I, Alexander Caloffer,
» I, Alexander Caloffer,
>> do solemnly swear. do solemnly swear
» do solemnly swear. do solemnly swear
>> that I will support the Constitution of
» that I will support the Constitution of
the United States
>> that I will support the Constitution of
» that I will support the Constitution of
the United States
>> the Constitution of the State of
» the Constitution of the State of
Colorado
>> the Constitution of the State of
» the Constitution of the State of
Colorado
>> the laws of the State of Colorado
» the laws of the State of Colorado
>> the laws of the state of Colorado
» the laws of the state of Colorado
>> and the charter and ordinances of the
» and the charter and ordinances of the
city of Longmont
>> and the charter and ordinance of the
» and the charter and ordinance of the
city of Longmont
>> and that I will faithfully perform the
» and that I will faithfully perform the
duties
>> and I will faithfully perform the duties
» and I will faithfully perform the duties
>> of the office of council member W three
» of the office of council member W three
>> of the office of council member W three
» of the office of council member W three
>> upon which I'm about to enter
» upon which I'm about to enter
>> abouton which
» abouton which
>> upon which I'm about to enter.
» upon which I'm about to enter.
>> To the best of my ability
» To the best of my ability
>> to the best of my ability,
» to the best of my ability,
>> you are now sworn in. Congratulations.
» you are now sworn in. Congratulations.
>> Thank you. [applause]
[applause]
>> If you would just
Okay, welcome to the fray. [laughter]
Okay. So, we are now at item B, a
proclamation designating January 12th
through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Week in
Longmont, Colorado. So, I would like to
invite the members of the MLK planning
committee to accept the um um
proclamation. But let me before we
begin, I'm going to go ahead and read
the proclamation. So we have here a
proclamation designating January 12th
through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr. week in Longmont,
Colorado. Whereas January 19th, 2026
marks Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday
on which uh we honor Dr. King's
unwavering fight for the absence of
oppression and the presence of
opportunity for all who sacrificed to
sew the seeds for a movement of peace,
equality, and justice. And whereas
across the nation, in the state of
Colorado, and in the city of Longmont,
honoring Dr. King has become a week of
service within our communities. Events
held throughout Boulder County are made
possible by the commitment and
dedication of volunteers from diverse
backgrounds. hand. Whereas the combined
efforts of those volunteers are a
fulfillment of Dr. King's dream and
highlight the importance of the civil
rights movement and the need to act. And
whereas Mr. Robert Trey Morris III
through his commitment to Longmont youth
and families has given many years of
steadfast support to Martin Luther King
Jr. programming and values throughout
the community. Now therefore, I, Susie
Algo Farering, mayor, by virtue of the
authority vested in me and the city
council of the city of Longmont, do
hereby proclaim the week of January 12th
through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr. week in Longmont
and invite all to attend this exciting
program honoring Dr. King. Thank you.
So, would um the members of the
committee like to
come on up and speak? Right.
» There we go.
>> I'll figure it out eventually.
» I'll figure it out eventually.
>> [clears throat]
» [clears throat]
>> Uh first I would like to uh take this
» Uh first I would like to uh take this
opportunity. I have not spoken before
the council since the last election. I
want to take the opportunity to issue
congratulations to uh those of you who
have won uh new elections to Mayor Susie
Dogo Ferry. Uh we certainly uh
appreciate you and your leadership. Um,
one thing that I that I did want to say
specifically about the event, it'll be
happening on the um on the 16th of this
week, on the 16th of this March, which
is Friday of this week at Silver Creek
High School at 5:30. Uh, there will be
refreshments to be had. And this year's
program, we decided to focus on uh a
letter from a Birmingham jail. If you
have not uh read that, I would highly
recommend you do. Uh it when you start
reading it, it feels like it was written
yesterday. Um to that I would like to uh
I find that if we have trouble for if we
have trouble finding the words, it's
most wise to look at the words of the
people who have come before us. Um so as
far as I know there are there are a lot
of people who are nervous around the
amount of uh protests that have popped
up around the United States and things
of that nature. Um, so I I would like to
read an excerpt from the letter from
Birmingham jail if you will allow me.
Um, you may well ask why direct action?
Why sitins, marches, and so forth? Isn't
negotiation a better path? You were
quite right in calling for negotiation.
Indeed, this is the very purpose of
direct action. Non-violent direct action
seeks to create such a crisis and foster
such a tension that a community which
has constantly refused to negotiate is
forced to confront this issue. It seeks
to so dramatize the issue that it can no
longer be ignored. My citing the
creation of tension as part of the work
of nonviolent resistor may sound rather
shocking, but I must confess that I am
not afraid of the word tension. I have
earnestly opposed violent tension, but
there is a type of constructive
nonviolent tension which is necessary
for growth. And to that I would say to
those who are nervous about the
non-violent protest you've seen pop up
um in the in honor of Dr. King, we
should embrace that tension. We should
push it because it will push for
conversations with folks who refuse to
have those. Um once again, I uh thank
you very much for uh for the
proclamation. I appreciate it and I hope
to continue to work with you all in the
future. Thank you.
>> Great. Thank you.
» [applause]
» Good evening once again. My 47th year
here in this town. Uh my name is I'm
called Minister Glenda Strong Robinson
and uh I'm a 40 going on a 47th year
resident of Longmont. Um some of you may
know, some of you may not. I was in that
march with Dr. King, his very last march
on March 28th, 1968.
And actually, I have a picture. I was
looking at it uh with Trey this week.
And in that last march,
there were National Guardsmen,
there were police officers, dogs,
uh fire trucks with water hoses all
around us.
We're back there. We're back there
today. And uh will we survive it? You
bet we will. But we can't do it unless
we do it together. And so, um, this just
it it just triggers so many things. I
see Arkansas is here. He and I share a
passion for that time that we were
freedom isn't free, folks. Somebody died
for all of us, red, yellow, brown,
black, white, to be sitting in the
spaces that we're sitting in now. Sorry,
I'm a preacher at my church, Second
Baptist in Boulder. I won't preach to
you, but I just want you to know freedom
isn't free. And every one of us here has
a voice that we can contribute. There is
something we can do. First thing we can
do is show up. Anyhow, I better stop.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
[applause]
» Would you all do was anyone else want to
come forward and speak? Okay. Okay.
Would you all like a picture?
Yes.
>> Take the picture. Come on.
Okay, we are now at first call. Um
public invited to be heard. And um I'm
actually going to start by calling three
names first. So the speaker and then the
two other folks can just be ready to be
ready to go. Mayor, could I chime in? I
apologize. We are having a
>> live stream issue.
» live stream issue.
>> Okay. Wonder if you're welcome to keep
» Okay. Wonder if you're welcome to keep
going but the live stream is not
functioning 100%.
>> Okay. Um do you want
» Okay. Um do you want
>> we will need to pause for a we're
» we will need to pause for a we're
waiting for some tech help. Sergio's on
his way.
>> Okay. Okay. So this is um is it's not in
» Okay. Okay. So this is um is it's not in
house. It's LPM issue. Is that so there
>> I'm not sure where the issue is 100%.
» I'm not sure where the issue is 100%.
>> So I'm wondering if we should take a
» So I'm wondering if we should take a
break.
>> Harold seems to think that might not be
» Harold seems to think that might not be
a terrible idea. Okay.
>> Well, I think if we know Sergio's on his
» Well, I think if we know Sergio's on his
way.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> If you want to move.
» If you want to move.
>> Is he coming? Oh,
» Is he coming? Oh,
>> are we good now?
» are we good now?
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> We're good. All right. All right. Never
» We're good. All right. All right. Never
mind.
>> Okay. Well, take your
» Okay. Well, take your
>> car to the mechanic.
» car to the mechanic.
>> Okay. Thanks. [laughter]
» Okay. Thanks. [laughter]
Um, so the first name on the list is
Pavll Ivanova.
And I'm going to go ahead and Tom Smith
and Lance Whitaker. If you two want to
be ready to
come on up next and you may turn on your
mic and if you could restate your name
please.
>> Yes. Good evening. My name is P Levanov.
» Hi and uh happy new year. Um haven't
seen you for a while. Um council. Today
I would like to read an email by the CEO
of Lock Safety to apparently all police
department chiefs they work with and at
least the VA Stanton Police Department
team.
Um
the email reads, I'm writing to you
directly because I want there to be zero
confusion about what's happening. Flock
has never been hacked ever. Flock is a
building tools to help you fight the
real crime affecting communities across
the country. Many activists don't like
that. Let's call this what it is. Flock
and the law enforcement agencies we
partner with are undercoordinated
attack. The attacks aren't new. You've
been dealing with this forever. And
we've been dealing with this since our
founding from the same activist groups
who want to defund the police, weaken
public safety, and normalize loness
lawlessness. Now they're producing
YouTube videos with misleading
headlines. They're also trying to turn a
public records process into a weapon
against you and against us.
>> [gasps]
» [gasps]
>> I don't think we're a tech and flock. I
» I don't think we're a tech and flock. I
also don't think that proposing civil
discussion in a lawful and timely manner
in front of police department and
elected council is bad. I think that all
residents of Lment are insanely grateful
to have you and being able to see actual
change. It's it's always good. I also
wanted to touch upon the point of
weaponizing public records. I do want to
give some the guys some points here. I
agree that people should not be able to
subpoena or request footage and
information from a system with such an
insanely broad and indiscriminate data
of citizens. I think however he wouldn't
agree with my reasons for and similar
requests have existed decades before
flock came to life. In fact, the CEO was
born after was requested. It is a very
important tool that allows citizens to
support the systems of check checks and
balances. It is not a weapon against
council members or the police, but it
does allow us to spot out the possible
bad apples. And I think in that case,
Flock and similar indiscriminate
automatic tracking tools is the bad
apple. And after all, if Flock didn't
want to be subjected to for risks, it
shouldn't have signed contracts with
public tax funded government. That is
all. Thank you, council.
>> Thank you. Okay, Tom Smith.
Good evening. My name is Tom Smith. I
live at 1049 Champion Circle. I rather
than congratulate all of you in election
time, I'd say thank you more so than for
serving and willingness to participate.
I think that's very important.
I have uh a letter I've drafted that is
I've addressed to the mayor, city
council, and my purpose is twofold.
Tonight, for the last 3 years or so,
I've been entrenched in learning about
annexation, development, city codes,
building yada yada. And two things that
come from this that um I need to share
is we got a lot of nice help from a lot
of good staff people,
not to mention the Texas Tech Red
Raiders going down tubes. Um
the uh two things that I'd like to share
with you are two requests, but these are
mine and these are based on the
education that the city provided me. I'd
say number one is that the document
known as Envision Longmont be suspended
immediately and until such time it is
modified, updated, or discarded.
Secondly, I'd ask that my subdivision be
returned to single family zoning. And to
summarize and give you some insight to
some of this, I have prepared and I will
leave with the city clerk a variety of
documents.
This one you might recognize comes from
Envision Longmont and Mr. Penland and
one of his staff gave me some insight to
it and I'm sorry but it doesn't have the
kind of support and validity that I
think the Longmont people deserve. as
well as there are contradictions in it
in envision Armont that contradict the
ninth edition of the planners guide that
was edited by one of the same people
from Clarion who had a hand in envision
logbot. I also was able to uh do
something fairly straightforward.
I find a lot of language in it ambiguous
and there are a lot of uh wiggle room
things. I ran the spelling, excuse me,
the reading test on it. Take a shot at
what reading level it is,
14th grade.
And couple of teachers here might know
that that's not close to the average
reading level for the American public.
And then uh with my subdivision, there
were a number of uh issues that were
done either incorrectly or with bad
information.
And I'll give these documents to the
city clerk. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Tom. Um Lance Whitaker.
» And excuse me, my wife is ill and I'm
going to go home and be a husband.
>> Yep. Take care of her. Thank you. Um
» Yep. Take care of her. Thank you. Um
Okay. And then following Lance, uh,
Matthew Spencer and then Madlin Strong
Woodley.
» Hi, Mayor and Council. My name is Lance
Whitaker. Um,
sorry, I'm sort of working off
a media I'm not used to. I lost my list.
Uh, Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street,
Longmont, Colorado. I've been a resident
for about 44 years. Uh, I'd like to
mention today is National
Shop for Travel Day, National
KoreanAmerican Day, National Sticker
Day. Uh, we got enough of those all over
town.
Uh, National Steven Foster Memorial Day,
National Peach Melba Day. I love Peach
Melba. and also National Rubber Ducky
Day. And if you got a Jeep, you probably
got several of those on your dashboard.
So, um it is also, uh
Mickey Mouse's first comic strip came
out today. Um and that's all I have
today. Thank you. Have a nice day.
>> Great. Thank you. U Matthew Spencer,
» Great. Thank you. U Matthew Spencer,
>> is there a way to display an image?
Don, can they display an image?
>> Um, we request that they're sent ahead
» Um, we request that they're sent ahead
of time. Oh,
>> okay. The office said to bring it and
» okay. The office said to bring it and
put it like in the moment.
>> If you send it to us, I can send it to
» If you send it to us, I can send it to
them.
>> We can send it to them. You send it to
» We can send it to them. You send it to
>> Okay, great.
» No. Oh, there you go. You
>> Good evening, Longland City Council. My
» Good evening, Longland City Council. My
name is Matthew Spencer. I'm the
associate pastor at Christ Church
International on Main Street.
>> Sorry.
» Sorry.
>> Oh, yeah. Thank you. On Main Street,
» Oh, yeah. Thank you. On Main Street,
right across the street from the pump
house and the Chamber of Commerce
building. I'm also this year as of today
the new chair of the Ambassadors
Committee representing the Longmont Area
Chamber of Commerce to new businesses.
So, uh anyone in uh want to join the
chamber, you're welcome to. Um I'm here
today to talk about the official
Longmont City flag. For years, it uh
bothered me that very few few people
even knew that Longmont has an official
city flag. Furthermore, it bothered me
that the civic center itself wasn't even
flying our official flag. A while back,
I reached out to you, the council, and
the city manager by email about this
issue, and I'd like to thank assistant
city manager Sandy for getting the flag
flying again last year underneath the
Colorado flag. But I'd also like to
continue this by initiating and
catalyzing two things this year as the
celebrations take place around America
and Colorado to mark our 250th
anniversary as a nation and our 150th
year as a state. Number one, I'd like to
see and I'm super thrilled to hear Diane
Christ uh a permanent third flag pole to
be installed right here outside our
civic center to fly our official
Longmont flag. I feel that if we don't
have a designated flag pole to celebrate
our city, it could very easily
accidentally not be flown again and then
once again disregarded for years to
come. And I'm also noticing I don't see
a flag in this room, which would be
great. Um, secondly, so I think we need
to celebrate our heritage and have, you
know, we need to fly the flag we have.
That's where we need to start. Right
there. Right on.
>> Thank you. Secondly, I'd also like to I
» Thank you. Secondly, I'd also like to I
would like to uh I want to ask the
council to begin the process uh and
swift execution of I would like to see a
new Longmont flag for the future as our
city becomes a major competitive player
in the county and the state. While we
should celebrate the legacy of the old
flag, it is a bit of a headscratcher.
It doesn't um it doesn't really
represent our city very well. A new
better flag will help unite us, help
people have a sense of identity and
inclusivity. The flag should be very
simple, beautiful, uh, easily
identifiable. I think that the Twin
Peaks should should definitely be on it.
That will help clearly symbolize our
city and people group. I think, uh, a
Colorado color scheme would be great.
I've brought two images that hopefully
you can all see. I don't know if they're
up yet. Um, so let's celebrate Longmont
with a new flag. Um,
>> there's a story behind it.
» there's a story behind it.
>> Okay, great. So, I had my friend Chat
» Okay, great. So, I had my friend Chat
helped render
uh what a third flag pole would look
like out here. And Sandy says it cost
$7,000.
>> So, I'd love I'd love to see the city
» So, I'd love I'd love to see the city
get it done. I've already talked to uh
the Rosary or not the Rotary
>> Rotary Club
» Rotary Club
>> and um and also uh Kowanas Club. So, I'd
» and um and also uh Kowanas Club. So, I'd
like to see that happen somehow. I know
there's a way to get it up there because
I think we need to celebrate, you know,
the big thing is celebrate Longmont. Um,
and I designed a flag I'm wearing here
on the hat and I I called this the
celebrate Longmont flag and the idea is
to celebrate Longmont. Let's fly a flag.
[laughter]
>> So, thank you all. Thank you so much for
» So, thank you all. Thank you so much for
what you what you do. We pray for you
guys.
>> Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Um, Meline
» Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Um, Meline
>> and then following uh Meline, we have
» and then following uh Meline, we have
Strider and then Paul
Stalls.
>> Good evening everyone. It is so good to
» Good evening everyone. It is so good to
see you guys. Happy New Year. Happy
2026.
I uh want to just share with you that in
addition to the Martin Luther King
celebrations that are phenomenal,
uh I'm would love to see everyone there,
uh that's January the 16th and the 18th.
And in addition to that, I wanted to
also uh make you aware that uh in the
with the dissolution of the NAACP
Boulder County branch, our organization,
the Executive Committee for
African-American Cultural Events is uh
EASE is the short version [laughter]
will be uh making sure that nothing goes
lacking in terms of the services that we
delivered in collaboration with the
NAACP.
And uh there will be a formal
announcement coming out. You'll get uh
the press release is going out tomorrow
morning and I will make sure that it
gets here so you can spread the word.
Nothing will go undone.
We're here. That's ECASE Executive
Committee for African-American Cultural
Events. Ecase
ecase.org for any other information. And
thank you so much for your usual
support.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Okay, Strider.
Yeah. Um,
got my whistle. Strider Benston 9517th.
Um, my daughter lives in Minneapolis
right near where they murdered George
Floyd. So, uh, I haven't been able to
reach her the last couple of days, but
uh, [snorts] it's my shirt. Uh, um, uh,
make Renee good trouble. Yeah. Um,
some of y'all know that um
my guide, my colleague, my friend Martin
Luther King um he would have been 97
years old in two days. Um I um um
61 years ago in January I walked to
Selma in a freezing rain. It took me
five days. I got to Selma and a bunch of
kids gathered around me said what's your
name? I said Jim. He said Jim where you
from? I said Arkansas. Arkansas. your
name Arkansas. So that's still my name
in the movement. Everyone in the
movement calls me Arkansas except for
Stokeley Carmichael. He called me Jim
because I met him before the movement.
He's the one that recruited me into the
movement. But I listened to Fanny Lou
Hamer speak uh um on the boardwalk in
Atlantic City. And um that's uh that's
uh what brought me in. Um the people of
Selma scheduled me on an airplane flight
and a hotel room um this March, but the
Boulder Elite blocked me from going. So
I'm not supposed to be able to be there
after 61 years uh in the movement. I
walked in a freezing rain. But um I was
organizer of rank and foul in the
teamsters and and uh the mail handlers
unions. And um um one just one thing I
organized a demonstration at the tangers
hall in Chicago in support of the farm
workers union. Their agents were killing
farm workers organizers at the time and
stealing the contracts from the growers
to to disc.
Dolores
created the union and Ella Baker
basically created the civil rights
movement. She organized both SNICK and
SCLC. But history is illegal in this
country and I'm a historian. [music] So
that's why I'm not allowed to speak. Um,
my book, If White Kids Die, might still
be in the library. It's about one month
of my life in 1965.
>> Thank you, Strider. Thank you. Good.
» Thank you, Strider. Thank you. Good.
Okay. Um, no clapping, so keeping the
orderly conduct of the meeting, but
thank you. Um, Paul Stalls,
» good evening.
Okay, I just like to share some concerns
over the management of Ute Creek Golf
Course. I'll be the first to say this is
not exactly a big problem and and seems
petty compared to some of the other
topics, but I just want to give you some
feedback so you know what's going on. Um
none of the issues are particularly
earthshattering but I think in the uh
accumulation uh they represent a decline
in standards at a time when costs have
increased dramatically. So I just want
to bring it to your attention. Firstly
this summer I noticed many of the ball
wash stations I told you this was not on
the same magnitude as the other topics
had been had been removed. Um I asked
management why and they said oh I asked
staff why and they said oh the
management doesn't like them. So I
emailed Keith Martin. No reply. I
followed up was introduced to Dan Ree uh
on the second attempt golf course
supervisor and received a reply removed
due to cost to maintain and to reduce
some of the clutter around the tea
boxes. So I I I replied back saying
clutter I don't understand what that is.
What what are you talking about? And
I've not since had a reply. These ball
stations are about 250 bucks each. So a
whole bunch of new ones have been put in
at Twin Peaks. So but at UK Creek we're
removing them. Uh secondly, um due to
concerns about slow pay, you probably
know if you're a golfer, you're limited
to a maximum of four players. So um we
the customers are expressly limited and
stopped from playing as a group of five
if you got an extra friend or anything.
So one, uh but I've noticed frequently
there are groups of five playing. I I
didn't give my address, Sundance Drive.
I oversee my I my house backs onto Uke.
So I asked the staff, I said, you know,
have you changed your policy? I noticed
some fives playing. Like no, no, no. And
I said, "What about the group yesterday
morning?" "Oh, they're employees."
"That's okay. They're employees."
"Okay." Another time I was playing as a
single. The group in four I caught up
with in front of me and they turned
around and said, "Do you want to play
with me? Do you want to play with us?"
Which is very nice. I said, "Well, no,
I'm okay, but actually I can't. We're
not supposed to play unless we're four's
the max." And they said, "Oh, it's okay.
We work here." was the reply. So, both
examples show a culture of entitlement
and hypocrisy and putting the employees
desires ahead of the customers. Thirdly,
in the summer, I saw a trench had been
dug between the fifth and sixth holes,
and it's filled with several thousand
range balls. Got a picture of that here,
too. This is just part of the trench.
You can obviously look at your leisure.
Um, so it's not covered. They just
they're just dumped there. Um, you know,
range balls don't compost as far as far
as I'm aware. So, I don't know what the
thinking was or why we're doing that. So
in conclusion, uh the decline in
standards seems to have happened at the
same time as prices have gone from 40 to
50 for a round at the weekend to this
weekend, one of the rounds on Saturday
is $98. So over the last three years,
prices have have doubled uh going up 10
15% a year cumulatively. Uh standards
have dropped and uh I'm sharing this
feedback in the hope that one of three
things will happen. And at the very
least, whoever Dan and Keith report to,
let's give them this feedback and uh
hopefully they take the feedback
seriously. Even better, if there's a
formal annual review process, this
decline in standards is considered an
inaluation and any merit increases. And
thirdly,
>> and that that is time. Can you send us
» and that that is time. Can you send us
an the email of that? Do you have
>> I have the email as well. Oh, perfect.
» I have the email as well. Oh, perfect.
My final point would just if the
>> I'm sorry, the time is up. So, I have to
» I'm sorry, the time is up. So, I have to
follow the rules. [laughter]
>> All right. I think they're over
» All right. I think they're over
incentivized on profitability and
services are dropping and they should be
revisited.
>> Okay. I don't want to disregard that. Um
» Okay. I don't want to disregard that. Um
but we are moving to the next person,
Scott Stewart.
>> Mayor, members of council, uh Scott
» Mayor, members of council, uh Scott
Stewart, 229 Grand Street. Um
during your retreat conversation on 12C,
um if you could please include uh try to
include on the agenda, uh conversation
around the airport. Um
the impact that the airport that has on
uh those of us on the ground is is a
real one. Um the airport has some basic
rules and regulations that uh don't get
followed. There's a lack of
communication when violations occur.
There's a lack of uh any kind of written
documentation of violations. Um incident
reports are pretty much non-existent. Um
there's
the airports has has and I think you've
done a a lease review um uh
over the last couple of months, but uh
the inconsistency in the application of
the lease policies. Uh it's pretty
pretty bad, pretty offensive to uh some
people that are looking for 30-year
leases that um probably shouldn't have
got them and some people that wish to
have them, what have you.
The the idea that increased air traffic
for the sake of increasing the number of
operations is not a benefit to Longmont.
We got a lot of flights here that don't
spend any time in Longmont. They don't
spend any time on the ground. they don't
refuel here. They're just an increase in
numbers. Um it's
this airport can be better.
Um
review needs to be done of the financial
obligations. There needs to be more
financial transparency. Uh the
information provided the to the public
needs to be accurate. Um please take
time review the airport. It can be
better than what it is. Doesn't need to
shut down. It's not going to shut down
for 20 years, even if you wanted it to.
But this airport needs to be run better
so that
everybody in Longmont is is not
negatively affected by things that don't
positively happen at the airport. Wow,
that was a word mess. Have a good night.
Oh, and uh happy rubber ducky day.
>> Oh, thank you.
» Oh, thank you.
>> Okay. Uh, Jacob McCllum.
Hello everybody. My name is Jacob
McCllum. I'm here today. This is my
first city council meeting ever and I'm
here just because of a topic that's
really important to me. I'm here to talk
about the flock safety cameras that are
around the city. Um, I think right now
we're living in a time where government
trust is at almost an all-time low. You
know, I don't think it's controversial
for me to say that. And I know as
somebody who's 21 years old myself, that
is absolutely the case among young
people who are growing up in this city.
And I think that the cameras everywhere
are eroding trust with the government
especially. And I think a local
government is something that could
really help improve this issue. You
know, like ultimately surveillance is a
form of control over people. If you're
feeling watched, you're not going to
behave the same way as you would when
you don't feel watched, you know. So
regardless of how much we trust the
government, regardless of how much we
trust the police, ultimately that is a
problem that will erode trust with those
people, you know, and it doesn't have to
be abused. It doesn't have to be
anything. It is like taking the bedroom
door off of somebody's room, you know.
Doesn't matter if anybody's going to
abuse that. It is still a problem and we
still need privacy, right? Any one of us
who drive down 119 to go to work every
day, that is being recorded somewhere.
Our license plate is recorded. Our
location is recorded. Exactly what time
that is is recorded. If you go to work,
when you leave is recorded and when you
come back is recorded. And ultimately
the safety policies around this data is
not safe. And even if you believe that
the government should be allowed to have
that access to that data, ultimately
that is not the only people who do have
access to that data. And I do not trust
any private actors with that
information. That's it. I yield my time.
Thank you guys.
>> Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else on
» Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else on
the list, I will now close public
invited to be heard. And we are now on
to item nine, consent agenda and
introduction and reading by title of
first reading and ordinances. Um, city
clerk, can you please read the consent
agenda um into the record?
>> Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading
» Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading
and public hearing for the ordinances
introduced tonight on this consent
agenda will be held on January 27th,
2026.
Item 9A is ordinance 2026-01,
a bill for an ordinance making
additional appropriations for expenses
and liabilities of the city of Longmont
for the fiscal year beginning January
1st, 2026. Item 9B is ordinance 2026-02,
a bill for an ordinance amending chapter
14.42 of the Longmont Municipal Code to
reduce the size of the Art and Public
Places Commission and modernize the Art
and Public Places program. Item 9 C is
resolution R-2026-01,
a resolution of Longmont City Council
approving the intergovernmental
agreement between the city and the
Colorado Department of Public Safety,
Division of Criminal Justice, Office for
Victims of Crime Act, VO VOCA, grant
funding for Longmont Victim Services. 9D
is resolution 2026-2,
a resolution of the Longmont City
Council concerning the electric vehicle
charging systems permitting process.
Item 9E is resolution 2026-03,
a resolution of the Longmont City
Council approving an amendment to the
Intergovernmental Agreement between the
city and the Boulder Regional Emergency
Telephone Service Authority for public
safety answering point funding. 9F is
resolution 2026-04,
a resolution of the Longmont City
Council approving agreement between the
city of Longmont and the Longmont Humane
Society for Animal Welfare Services for
2026. and 9G is designate the city's
website as the official posting location
for city council agendas and mayor staff
would like to remove item 9F from the
consent agenda.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Okay. Are there any other items that
council would like to remove? Council
member Popkin.
>> Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to remove
» Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to remove
item uh 9D.
>> Okay.
Okay. Um, so see no one else in the
queue. Um, um, oh, you've turned off
your mic. Is there anyone who would like
to move the consent agenda? Minus D and
F.
>> I'll move that.
» I'll move that.
>> Um,
» Um,
>> second.
» second.
>> Okay. So, the, um, consent agenda uh,
» Okay. So, the, um, consent agenda uh,
minus um, items D and F um, has been
moved by Mayor Prom McCoy and seconded
by Council Member Popkin. Let's go ahead
and vote.
Okay. And that carries unanimously.
Okay. There are no ordinances on second
reading and public hearings on any
matter. So we are now um back to items
removed from the consent agenda.
Um and we are we'll start we'll go ahead
and start with item D.
Council member Popkin.
>> Yes. Thank you. Um I mostly just had one
» Yes. Thank you. Um I mostly just had one
question for staff and then just a
comment overall. Um this this concerns
the uh electric vehicle charging systems
permitting process. Uh I just wanted to
commend staff actually for being ahead
of the state. Um sometimes the state
forces mandates upon us. In this case,
we wanted to proceed um with a certain
permitting process. We have and from
what I understand uh this has been kind
of the administrative approval process
and we are not as being asked to change
that. We can continue to follow that
process. Correct.
>> Good evening Mayor Council Member uh
» Good evening Mayor Council Member uh
Popkin. Um that's correct. Yes.
>> Yeah. Uh and and the administrative
» Yeah. Uh and and the administrative
process here not only makes sense, but
I've personally gone through it and it's
smooth and straightforward as long as
the um electrical is done well. So, I
just wanted to thank staff and and the
city for having a smooth process. My
only other question I had is, and maybe
this is more of an LPC question, but do
we know if we still have uh rebates for
residential or commercial uh chargers?
Is that still um have we have we
exhausted the funding for that? Thank
you, Darl. I'm seeing a I'm seeing we've
exhausted that. So, that's good news
that we've exhausted that. But, uh for
for anyone still considering uh putting
a charger, it's a pretty straightforward
process as long as you do it well. I
appreciate staff's work on this.
Okay, thank you. Um, would you like to
move uh resolution 2026-2?
>> Oh, you did.
» Oh, you did.
>> So, moved.
» So, moved.
>> Okay. And I will second that. Um,
» Okay. And I will second that. Um,
okay. So, the um resolution 20262
has been moved by council me or by by
council member Popkin and I have
seconded that. Let's go ahead and vote.
Okay, and that carries unanimously. We
are now on to item F, resolution 2026-4.
Um, pulled by staff.
Oh, yes.
>> Surprised you, mayor.
» Surprised you, mayor.
>> I know. It was I wasn't even looking at
» I know. It was I wasn't even looking at
that corner.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
» Yeah. [laughter]
Mayor and council Eugene May, city
attorney. Uh so staff uh asked to pull
this item because council member PTO
raised an issue with the humane society
contract on page five. Uh there are
three paragraphs regarding undocumented
immigrants.
The history of those paragraphs is there
was a state state bill that required
this language be in contracts. Uh that
bill has since been repealed. We were
using an old version of the Y of the
Humane Society contract. These
paragraphs should have been removed and
unless I hear objection from council, we
will remove these paragraphs before
executing the contract with Humane
Society.
>> Okay. Thank you for that. Um and and
» Okay. Thank you for that. Um and and
thank you for catching that, Council
Member Prietto. Um is there anyone who
Okay. Nope. Okay. So, okay. So, uh, do I
have a motion to approve resolution
2026-4?
>> Motion.
» Motion.
>> Okay. So, um, that item has been moved
» Okay. So, um, that item has been moved
by council member Prietto. Do I have a
second?
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Okay. And it was been seconded by
» Okay. And it was been seconded by
council member Marcen. Let's go ahead
and vote.
Okay, the motion carries unanimously.
We are now
on to our general business item and 12A.
So that is an amendment to the 2023
action plan for home funding to fund
Habitat for Humanity of the St. Vine
Valley Rogers Road Housing Development
Project instead of Sunset Duplex's
project.
Good evening, mayor, members of council.
Um, Christy Wisman. I'm the housing
investment manager for the city and we
have a crew for any questions you may
have. So, also with me is Alexis Macauen
from the HCI team who's our federal
funds program manager. And then we also
have Megan Sant who's my counterpart,
the housing investment manager for the
city of Boulder. Um so we don't have a
presentation prepared tonight but just
wanted to take this um grant project
swap question to you and um in essence
Habitat in working with city staff as
well as city of Boulder staff through
the home consortium is asking us to
switch our 2023 award between two of
their projects. So the award amount will
stay the same at that 184,712,
but the Rogers Road project is further
along in entitlements. It's shovel
ready. And then it also recently
received another um different type of
home funding through the consortium that
the city of Boulder manages called the
CHTO set aside. And so we essentially
want to improve efficiencies by putting
all the federal funding on the Habitat
project that's most ready to proceed. So
this request did come Habitat and
Longmont and Boulder and Habitat are all
in alignment with this swap. So we just
need your formal approval to make that
change. But happy to answer any
questions.
>> Okay. Do we have any questions of
» Okay. Do we have any questions of
council? Okay. Council member Popkin.
>> Uh thank you very much for bringing this
» Uh thank you very much for bringing this
forward. um and for all the work that's
been going on I presume in the back end
for a lot of the shifting here. What's
the downside if we didn't like what what
what's the consequence that projects
slow down because the funding would be
redistributed to projects that aren't
shovel ready?
>> Yeah. So, one of the main downsides is
» Yeah. So, one of the main downsides is
then we would have um two projects that
are requiring the same level of HUD
compliance through the home program in
our view unnecessarily. So, we would
have to do um the same level of
compliance on Sunset Duplexes and Rogers
Road as opposed to concentrating our
monitoring on just one project. Um and
then because Rogers Road is more shovel
ready, it's materially funded, there is
a chance that if this 184,000 award is
not granted, Habitat may have a gap. So,
they might have to come back to the
city, for example, for our affordable
housing fund round in 2026. and it would
just delay the project, but they are um
essentially they have their entitlements
and they're ready to complete
construction as soon as the award um
grant agreements are executed for the
federal funds.
>> Thank you. So, in in in effect, we're by
» Thank you. So, in in in effect, we're by
consolidating these two, not by bundling
the two together, basically you're
actually streamlining the oversight in
some ways because one project follows
all of the I mean, they both have to
follow the rules if they receive the
funding. In this case, one project will
gets all of the funding and so the same
requirements still have to be met anyway
and the other project has more
flexibility. Is that the kind of notion
right now?
>> Yeah, essentially there are um a
» Yeah, essentially there are um a
[clears throat] lot of federal
regulations that come into play
especially with procurement. So when
Habitat goes to procure their general
contractor to do the actual construction
work, the steps that they have to take
and the way they have to do that bidding
is very specific to to CFR 200 and those
federal rules when there's home funds in
play. And so um they're happy to do that
for one project, but if we can remove um
this 184,000 would be the only federal
source on the Sunset Duplexus project
and that's a relatively small amount of
money for how much compliance comes with
it. So, we'd prefer to stack all the
federal funds on one project just for
monitoring efficiency. And if HUD comes
and monitors us, they're looking at one
project as opposed to two.
>> Yeah. Great. Thank you for explaining
» Yeah. Great. Thank you for explaining
that. Appreciate it.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Council member Christ.
» Council member Christ.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, so Christie, are
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, so Christie, are
you going to be short on the sunset
duplexes at some point and have to have
to apply for more funding to finish
those?
Yeah, thank you for your question,
Council Member McCen. I did re see re
re see re see re see re see your email
early this afternoon. I haven't had a
chance to reach out to Dave Emerson
who's the direct executive director of
Habitat. Um my understanding is the
Sunset Duplex's project is
so much further behind in Habitat's um
kind of development planning that they
have more time. Um, I don't know for
sure whether they plan to come in to
supplant this 184,000 with, for example,
another affordable housing fund ask. The
last time I saw a proforma for that
project was over 6 months ago. So, I'm
not sure what other fundraising Habitat
has done in the meantime on Sunset
Duplexes. Um, but this request for this
award swap did come from Habitat. So,
Habitat is asking for this change to
help them meet their um development
capacity because they can really only
focus on so many projects at a time and
that one's just a little further behind.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, we'll probably be seeing
» Yeah. Okay. So, we'll probably be seeing
something about Sunset again, but we
have time to work on it.
>> Yeah, exactly. And if they were to come
» Yeah, exactly. And if they were to come
ask for more funding for that project,
um we would get an updated perform
sources and uses and um work with
Habitat to see what's changed with the
funding picture for for Sunset in the
last several months since I've last seen
the performer for that project.
>> Okay, thank you Christie.
» Okay, thank you Christie.
>> Okay, thank you. Um so do we have a
» Okay, thank you. Um so do we have a
motion to approve the 2023 home grant
award allocation as amended?
>> Okay, second. So, um, the motion has
» Okay, second. So, um, the motion has
been made by Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded
by Council Member Christ.
Um, and we can go ahead and vote.
There's no further discussion.
Okay. And the motion carries
unanimously. We are now Thank you very
much.
>> Uhhuh. Thank you.
» Okay. We are now on to our city council
appointments, liaison appointments to
boards. So there is no formal staff
presentation. What's that?
>> I said let's park.
» I said let's park.
>> Let's party like
» Let's party like
um yeah. So [laughter] do we need a
break before this?
>> No.
» No.
>> Maybe after. Okay. So um there are there
» Maybe after. Okay. So um there are there
is no staff presentation. It's really
just for us to ask of council to discuss
if any board's assignments, you know,
what would you like to have reshuffled
for um council member Kulkuffer?
And if I believe we have the spreadsheet
on our
document, so if you want to pull that
up. Um,
and did anyone want to start? Okay,
we'll start with Council Member Popkin.
>> Well, I'll kick things off at a
» Well, I'll kick things off at a
productive uh member with prospective uh
Council Member Kauker. Uh, and uh I know
he's passionate about transportation and
and uh
um the NA uh what is it? the North Area
Transportation Alliance, a regional
board and an important one for making
sure that everything is connected
literally and figuratively in the
region. Um, I wanted to offer that. It's
a It didn't perfectly work with my
schedule, but I was interested in it and
it sounds like it does for him, so I
wanted to put that on the table.
>> Okay.
» Is that NA?
Yeah.
[clears throat] And Okay.
Was there anything else? Oh, okay. Okay.
So, uh, Council Member Prietto,
>> uh, yes, I had two boards that did not
» uh, yes, I had two boards that did not
work for me. Um, it was the, uh, visit
Longmont board along with the
sustainability board. Um, I did email
um, councelor Koffer and he said that
they would work perfect with his
schedule. So, um, just wanted to put
that out there.
>> Okay, great. Um, so I have two, no
» Okay, great. Um, so I have two, no
actually one internal and two regional.
Um, okay.
Council member
um, Marcine.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, as much as
» Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, as much as
it pains me because I was very much
looking forward to getting the work
started and I'd already met with with
some of these folks, but I I do think in
terms of proximity, his skill set, his
interests, I think, uh, LDDDA would be a
good fit for um, Council Member
Cockoffer. why I'm I'm happy to hand
that one over and uh yeah, I I don't
think my wife will be will be bothered
if I if I miss another meeting if I have
less meetings. So,
>> okay.
» okay.
>> Okay. Council member um Kulkapper,
» Okay. Council member um Kulkapper,
>> I will happily take all of those um if
» I will happily take all of those um if
that's okay with you, mayor. And then um
I was curious about the commuting
solution.
>> I was going to get to that. I was going
» I was going to get to that. I was going
to let let everybody throw their
their um suggestions out their two cents
and then I was going to see wanted to
confirm if commuting solutions
uh
as the
liaison non- voting me um liaison member
would work for you
I think is that yeah it is the liaison
and it's I have here that it's non-
voting
So yeah, but if that works for your
schedule.
Oh, there you go. No wonder you're not
answering me. [laughter]
>> Uh, that one does work for my schedule.
» Uh, that one does work for my schedule.
And then there's also one other
transportation one that is not has not
been assigned. And I wasn't sure if
Cammy if you figured out what what
location and what day and time those
were.
>> Still working on it.
» Still working on it.
>> There's one more.
» There's one more.
>> Which one was it?
» Which one was it?
>> Um, yeah. Which one was that?
» Um, yeah. Which one was that?
Was it the um Northern Colorado Highway
287?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Coalition. Okay.
» Coalition. Okay.
>> Because there's confusion about is it
» Because there's confusion about is it
Boulder or is it in uh Loveland?
Uh also
>> so the 287 safety improvement projects
» so the 287 safety improvement projects
there is a section that is on the south
side of Longmont that is run by Boulder
County and then there's the section
that's receiving improvements on the
north side of Longmont which might also
have a group um in Loveland and or the
Lmer County. So, we're just trying to
confirm that they're looking for
representatives from Longmont on both
for sure the Boulder County one um
that's on the south side of Longmont,
but both are active projects right now.
So, we just want to make sure that we
have the right coverage in the right
places. So, we're just confirming if
there's two coalitions or really just
one coalition. Um but the one in Boulder
is not in question. It's the one up
north. We just want to make sure that we
have the right details for first.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> That helps. Yeah. So, so in the event
» That helps. Yeah. So, so in the event
something comes open, we can well
>> I think yeah, if I can confirm just to
» I think yeah, if I can confirm just to
make sure we can follow up and then you
can assign that second
>> 287 group if there is in fact one.
» 287 group if there is in fact one.
>> Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
» Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
>> Okay, you're welcome.
» Okay, you're welcome.
>> So, I have five total boards for you. Um
» So, I have five total boards for you. Um
only one well one is the um an internal
and the other four are regional. Um, and
then just kind of looking at,
you know, where everybody else feels.
Was there anything else you wanted to
throw his way? [laughter]
Are we good for now? And um, yeah. And
then the other one too, and um, Council
Member Popkin, this one is directed to
you, if you are feeling, now that you've
had a chance to look through the list,
if you need me, if you want me to pick
up Dr. COG as the and you be the um
alternate.
That one meets Wednesday evenings
in Denver,
>> the Denver Regional Council of
» the Denver Regional Council of
Governments and it is um the Wednesday.
Yeah, I think they have they started at
4, but it's like a dinner
deal before it gets started. So, go
ahead, Council Member Popkin.
>> Yeah, I was going to ask
» Yeah, I was going to ask
What's the usual like window for the
meeting? Like is it a two hour, three
hour, 15 hour? What's the the depends on
who talk?
>> It depends on who Stop. Okay, I see
» It depends on who Stop. Okay, I see
where you're going with that. Um
I know they started, if I recall
correctly, and I don't know if they've
changed it, but I think it went like
6:00 to 9 or like a 6:30. I thought
there was a dinner even though it shows
four o'clock here.
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> and I'll follow follow up with that time
» and I'll follow follow up with that time
frame. Um, and I knew um may the mayor
Pek had often just stayed the night over
there when she went because it it went
late.
>> Um, so, you know, I wanted to throw that
» Um, so, you know, I wanted to throw that
back out there. I am fine with just
keeping it the way it is,
>> but I wanted to throw that out there for
» but I wanted to throw that out there for
you now that you had a chance to digest,
you know, your assignments.
>> Yeah, I didn't know it was Okay, that's
» Yeah, I didn't know it was Okay, that's
useful to know because technically I
have that in the planning and zoning
commission on the same day. I was
planning to go back to back.
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> but if it's a like a for a sleepover
» but if it's a like a for a sleepover
situation.
>> Yeah, I would not be sleeping over. I'll
» Yeah, I would not be sleeping over. I'll
be driving back at night. Um
>> um more than uh
» um more than uh
>> maybe we can take this off like does
» maybe we can take this off like does
this have to be decided right now or
>> It doesn't I Don and I'm going to defer
» It doesn't I Don and I'm going to defer
to you. Is that okay if we discuss
offline if we want to switch roles or do
we need to do a formal
» I think it's up to you if you'd like for
us to do Dr. Cog will be looking to know
who the voting
>> appointee is.
» appointee is.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Um with some clarity I think so.
» Um with some clarity I think so.
>> Yeah. Well and I think Yeah. So do you
» Yeah. Well and I think Yeah. So do you
want us to decide tonight? It'd be
helpful. But if you need more time and
you want to monitor it, we can just let
them know you're
>> going to see how it goes and alternate
» going to see how it goes and alternate
or let us know what you decide.
>> I mean, do you want to try the first
» I mean, do you want to try the first
meeting, see how it goes, and then let
me know?
>> Kind of. I was very interested in it.
» Kind of. I was very interested in it.
Um, and supporting the city in that way.
Yeah. And I guess
>> and it's historically, you know, I' I've
» and it's historically, you know, I' I've
spoken with other mayors who who often
just assign a council member to do that.
So, it's not unheard of that the mayor
is there. I just wanted to
>> to throw that out because I know the
» to throw that out because I know the
former mayor had picked it up.
>> Yeah, maybe Yeah, let me let me think
» Yeah, maybe Yeah, let me let me think
about it. I'm wondering if maybe we tag
team this depending on what the planning
and zoning commission has on their
agenda.
>> That can work as well
» That can work as well
>> and maybe we can kind of share that. Um
» and maybe we can kind of share that. Um
but yeah, let's take that offline if
that's okay for
>> sure. We'll let you do it and then we'll
» sure. We'll let you do it and then we'll
see where where we land. Okay.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you for flagging
» Appreciate it. Thank you for flagging
that.
>> Yep.
» Yep.
>> Of course.
» Of course.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
So, I believe are we good to go?
>> Are Yeah, I noted just to re recap.
» Are Yeah, I noted just to re recap.
>> Yes. uh for council member Calver uh
» Yes. uh for council member Calver uh
NATO visit Longmont Sustainability
Advisory Board LDDA and commuting
solutions and then the pending 287
coalition once we decipher what's
happening there
>> okay
» okay
>> is all I've noted
» is all I've noted
all that's all
>> okay that's that's what I have as well
» okay that's that's what I have as well
but [laughter]
it's a load
okay so now we are on to item C our 2026
city council retreat agenda planning.
Um, and before Sandy seed, before you
come, do we need to take a break?
>> Are we good? Okay, we're going
» Are we good? Okay, we're going
[clears throat] to keep on plugging
through.
All right. Hello, Mayor Hoga Fairing and
members of council. Sandy Cedar,
assistant city manager, and I'm here to
talk about the retreat. Uh, currently
your retreat is scheduled for March 27th
and 28th. We are taking a look at some
different options for where we might
hold the retreat. Um, one thing that I
do want to bring up to this group as
we're kind of discussing and planning.
Um, is that we believe that that will be
the same time frame as the opening of
the ascent property. Um, I know it's
tough to get to a ribbon cutting during
the day unless you might be at a
retreat. [laughter]
And so just as a suggestion, if you're
interested in us taking a look at
whether we could have the retreat either
um at the ascent property or um at
Hearthstone, if that's something that's
interesting to you, we would be happy to
pursue that. Yeah. So we have a whole
bunch of questions for you today. Um as
I said, the retreat is scheduled for
March 27th and 28th. Um and as we put
together a draft agenda for you, we
would like to ask a couple of questions
like what kinds of topics would you like
to discuss? Would you like to have an
outside facilitator? Are you interested
in some sort of team building or
communication enhancing kind of
discussion amongst the council? Um, and
uh what would essentially what we're
looking for is what would make the
retreat a success for this city council.
Uh we talked a little bit about in the
council communication. We'll certainly
give you an update on the current
council work plan as it sits today. That
doesn't have to be a presentation. It
can absolutely be just something in
writing that we're able to put as part
of the packet. We'll also put our
accomplishments and work plans because
we always do. Um, and then it really is
up to this council to discuss your
priorities for the year. Um, as well as
maybe some other topics like boards and
commissions. If you decide you wanted to
do it on the study session instead, then
that's taken care of. But you also may
be interested in outreach. I know
there's been a couple of conversations
around is coffee with council the best
way to do engagement today. uh it may be
one component, but maybe there's some
other things that the council would like
to discuss. So, those are some of the
topics that I've heard the council talk
about so far, but really the floor is up
to you. Several of you did send me some
ideas and suggestions which I forwarded
to the entire council. So, uh at this
point, I turn it back over to you,
mayor. You let me know what you all
would like to see.
>> Okay. Thanks. I know I was playing
» Okay. Thanks. I know I was playing
around with trying to figure out how how
we wanted to go through each each item.
Um, I do appreciate the emails and thank
you for forwarding those to us. Um, it
gave me a better insight into kind of
where everybody's at. And, you know, and
I kind of see a lot of alignment in in
some of those, you know, es especially
as we looked at team building. I know
there was not wanting to get too caught
up in the fru, you know, I Yeah, I'm not
going to go into [laughter]
work stuff, but um, but I've been there.
Yes. Um, so in I do want to I I just
want to throw in really quick before we
start getting into the meat of what we
want to add. I really enjoyed the um and
I it was Brian Shimat Shimato
>> Shimamoto
» Shimamoto
>> Shimamoto who did the um intercultural
» Shimamoto who did the um intercultural
development inventory and I had to go
talk call Carmen contact Carmen and like
help me remember what was the name of
that. Um so looking at that really
helped me to un understand what type of
leader I am, how I perceive information,
how I take in information, but also how
my council colleagues take in
information, how they respond and that
really helped me become a better, more
efficient leader um more responsive
leader as well as you know responding to
my to my council colleagues um who also
were a part of this training. Was anyone
here? Were you here for that one for the
did you take the survey? I think you
>> No, I didn't take the survey, but I was
» No, I didn't take the survey, but I was
there for the results for Okay.
>> Council and it was
» Council and it was
>> and so there is Yeah. And I thought it
» and so there is Yeah. And I thought it
was very powerful for me to to for
self-reflective piece. So I I think
about team building. I mean there could
be something fun, but I it doesn't seem
like that's necessary. But if we look at
really how we are as
leaders, how we how we react to things,
how we respond to um situations and for
us to learn learn that about each other.
I think that would be very beneficial.
Um does anyone have any Oh, go ahead if
you want to speak more to that.
>> I was just going to say one of the
» I was just going to say one of the
suggestions I think from council member
Chris was the Clifton StrengthFinder.
That's I have certainly taken that um
assessment before and that has been very
helpful. Okay. Harold has a few other
assessments that he uses along with his
um consultant Riley. And so if if that's
the kind of thing that you're interested
in, we'd be happy to kind of, you know,
talk about what would make the most
sense and bring back that kind of thing.
Take an assessment and then learn about
each other's styles as opposed to an
icebreaker. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think I think that
» Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think I think that
would be more beneficial.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Um I think we've already broken the ice
» Um I think we've already broken the ice
around here. [laughter]
» Um so
Yeah. And so, okay. Oops. And I think Go
ahead, Council Member Popkin. Yes.
>> Yeah. Just a quick follow on on that
» Yeah. Just a quick follow on on that
topic for a minute and then I would
welcome I'd love to hear from other
council members on their ideas.
>> Um, when we do this kind of a session,
» Um, when we do this kind of a session,
can we also think of not just what are
each other's what are each other's
strengths, but also how do people work
together most effectively across those
different approaches? Sometimes that
gets lost in the approach. Is that part
of that's built in? Okay, great. Just
wanted to make sure that was included.
Thank you.
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> we actually uh have one that is AI based
» we actually uh have one that is AI based
that you can put questions in like I
could say I need to talk to Sandy about
this. How do I best communicate to
Sandy? And it actually gives you a game
plan for the conversation so that you
make sure your style is communicating to
the other person's style.
>> Interesting.
» Interesting.
>> That would be interesting. But wait,
» That would be interesting. But wait,
wait. So my style is inputed in AI.
>> No. So, you take a test. Yeah. And it
» No. So, you take a test. Yeah. And it
tells you kind of this is you and it
tells me who Sandy is and then we go,
okay, I need to talk to Sandy about this
and it gives me a game plan to make sure
that we're
>> actually communicating with each other.
» actually communicating with each other.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> It's a closed data loop.
» It's a closed data loop.
>> It's a closed data system.
» It's a closed data system.
>> Data loop. It doesn't go It's not chat
» Data loop. It doesn't go It's not chat
GP.
It's a closed data system where after
you take your assessment,
>> the way Susie behaves is out there in
» the way Susie behaves is out there in
the ethos. [laughter]
>> Okay. Um, Council Member Prietto,
» Okay. Um, Council Member Prietto,
>> this is not my recommendation for the
» this is not my recommendation for the
retreat, but just a comment to your
suggestion.
>> Oh, yes, please. Yeah.
» Oh, yes, please. Yeah.
>> Um, so, and I just want to put it out
» Um, so, and I just want to put it out
there. I think it's going to be really
important like the kind of that
relationship building piece because a
lot of how we work comes from who we are
and our roots and our background. Um,
and so I think it's going to be
important to like really learn about one
another and where we're from and how we
were raised and different things like
that in order to
>> fully understand what's oh that makes
» fully understand what's oh that makes
sense that this person's work style is
this or their their communication style
is this.
>> And so just wanted to point that out. I
» And so just wanted to point that out. I
so like along with that discussion
making sure that we have that foundation
of like
>> just getting to know one another.
» just getting to know one another.
>> Yeah. And I noticed that like having
» Yeah. And I noticed that like having
those conversations did organically that
did allow us to to share out and to get
an understanding of who we are.
>> Yes. Gotcha.
» Yes. Gotcha.
>> Um but yeah, so if you can we can make
» Um but yeah, so if you can we can make
sure that's incorporated in there. Um
who are you? Mayor [laughter]
>> Mayor Pro McCoy. I was like, who's
» Mayor Pro McCoy. I was like, who's
number four?
>> Thank you, mayor. I was looking at some
» Thank you, mayor. I was looking at some
of the uh council uh members um uh
thoughts on this and I I really did like
uh council member uh Cole Coffer. Am I
saying that right? Okay. um comfort
>> the the thing the meat and potato is
» the the thing the meat and potato is
part of what we're trying to do here in
the sense of uh council goals and
objectives and revisiting that aspect
and and the fact that we're people kind
of needing to understand the broader
aspects of envision Longmont and the
updates and aspects of that and then I
you know I I think of the uh fire fire
preparedness um um I I think is
specifically after a couple of uh you
know plane crashes and stuff like that
out at the airport. How with you know
very flammable fuels uh would be um
particularly
important and interesting to to explore.
you know, what what safety measures we
have there and and what maybe safety
measures we need to consider
implementing at a at that location. Um,
you know, Sundance,
I think maybe getting everybody on the
same page of what's happening for the
first year at Sundance, but I don't know
that that's a a super high level and
long conversation just because for the
most part, we're going to be housing
workers and volunteers and maybe getting
people understanding that they're not
going to have this. I think there's this
perception in the general audience of uh
Longmont uh uh community members that
there's there's we're going to have a
bigger impact. The bigger impact is kind
of getting people's heads around the
idea of having
uh resources uh ready and prepared for
when people come back into town in the
evening. and maybe uh making sure that
our restaurants and other uh services
are there for
uh those folks because that's truly
putting our best foot forward and
understanding the expectation of it. So
I think that's some of those
conversations need to be had and make
sure that we're saying the same thing
over and over again as we talk about
what that looks like. Are are you saying
that you see that as a retreat topic or
like a study session topic as we're
starting a retreat topic and kind of a
but not a not a a super in-depth? It's
more of like
>> an update.
» an update.
>> Yeah. More of an update and keeping
» Yeah. More of an update and keeping
people on
>> uh on the a on brand for what we're
» uh on the a on brand for what we're
trying to accomplish because we got a
lot of people trying to make this thing
work right. We really want to come
across as the community that that helps
support bringing Sundance here. Okay.
And then before we go on, so um Sandy,
do you feel like number three, the team
building segment, do you think that's we
can check that off? Okay. So that's
done. So looking at kind of processing
uh fire preparedness update on uh
Sundance,
uh trying to think looking at um other
department pieces. I guess that would be
maybe number two. what reports and
presentations would be helpful. Now, I
did catch in one of them talking about
the state of the departments.
>> Um, I'm going to respectfully disagree,
» Um, I'm going to respectfully disagree,
respectfully disagree. Um, it is
important that we do know where the
departments are as far as what their
reality is, especially when we're making
goals that where there's money implied.
And so, we need to know kind of what the
demands are of staff. Um, it doesn't
have to really be in depth as far as
what, you know, what they're presenting
to us, but I think it's really important
and I really value that, especially my
first couple of years on council is
understanding what the departments have
to do, what what is their reality, their
staffing, their so if we're looking for,
you know, looking at development and
we're looking at adding new initiatives
that we need to make sure that our staff
has what they need so they can be
successful.
So, it's just kind of adding that extra
lens and perspective. Um, so I would
like something where staff does give us
and it doesn't have to be super long or
super intense. Um, you know, intense,
but I did appreciate just from my own
experience.
>> Yeah, I was going to ask I think what I
» Yeah, I was going to ask I think what I
wanted to do is really a capacity
conversation.
>> Yes. Because I think in all of this
» Yes. Because I think in all of this
there's a finite capacity
>> and it's based on what we're already
» and it's based on what we're already
working on and what we're wanting to
work on and balancing that capacity
because you've heard me say this
recently. We're we're at max capacity in
some ways which is going to have to come
into the decision-m process in terms of
what do we take on now? What do we take
on down the road? So,
>> I've done a capacity presentation at the
» I've done a capacity presentation at the
last two that may
>> capture that, but I'm going to do it
» capture that, but I'm going to do it
from a holistic perspective of the
entire organization
>> if that's what you're getting at. Yes.
» if that's what you're getting at. Yes.
But I would like to do that just to set
the framework.
>> Of course. Yeah. And you know, and I
» Of course. Yeah. And you know, and I
think about FTE, you know, I've been in
close conversations with our fire and um
public safety and just, you know,
looking at their capacity, you know,
especially as we're looking at higher
density. what does that mean? Do we have
enough people on on staff to to address
if there's apartment fire? And so so
just knowing those dynamics. Um that's
just my input,
>> but go ahead uh Council Member Marcen.
» Oh, did I put on the wrong one? I did.
So I apologize. So thank you, Mayor, and
I appreciate you raising that. And I and
I want to be clear about the context of
the the note that I sent. It was
certainly not intended to be, you know,
disrespectful of staff or anything like
that in the lightest. I think I think
anyone who's been in meetings long
enough knows that there are I'm going to
report out for 45 minutes about this.
And I think for for me personally, I
think there absolutely capacity is a
valuable conversation. What can staff
handle? What individual projects are
maybe we're not aware of that staff is
working on day-to-day? I think from my
perspective, the thing that I would that
that just and again one of seven the
having that space to talk with each
other about shared goals and priorities
in in
just knowing that time is an asset that
that that would be my priority if we had
the the choice between the two. So, I
just wanted to clarify certainly not
looking to be at all, you know,
disrespectful of staff or staff time.
And and that's part of the goal, too, is
I I would hope that staff doesn't have
to do a lot of preparation for this
retreat. I would hope that it's that
it's us that has to carry a lot of that
load as we move forward. So, thank you,
Mayor.
>> Of course. No, and I didn't take it that
» Of course. No, and I didn't take it that
way. I just wanted to add some context
to that piece. So, I'm going to kick it
back to Council Member Christ and then
I'll work my way to the other side.
Well, this is slightly from the um side
talking about this, but um just an
observation that most of us have come
off of a campaign recently. So, we've
been on a a real listening tour and it's
important to take all that information
and discuss it and even the nuances of
it because a lot of it comes down to the
same topics that we talk about here. How
do we engage with the public better? How
do we um
how do we see unintended consequences
before we end up there? How, you know,
how do we solve some of these problems
that have been plaguing us where we're
just not quite where we want to be with
them? And so, I think it takes a wider
lens and a wider understanding of how
how we all approach problems because I
think if we put all our all of our heads
together, we will have every
every sector covered and we'll come up
with some good ideas. not to overwhelm
staff. And I think one of the advantages
also of having a second day is we can
kind of hash all this out and then have
a list of questions for staff
to school us. You know, I I think you
have an amazing amount of information,
talent, and um insights after doing this
for so many years. So um yeah. Uh, so I
didn't come up with a list of specific
topics yet, although I kind of have them
in my head because I think everybody has
heard some of the same things, but maybe
in different ways. And I want to hear
all those different ways that people
come to us with concerns, but also, you
know, what they like and what they don't
like. Some things are positive for some
people and negative for others, but but
what what is the what are the roots of
that? and uh Mayor Hoga, one thing that
um I was thinking about with respect to
council member Christ's motion at the
beginning of this particular council
session around taking a look at the
National Civic League's, you know, kind
of framework around some of that. We can
continue. The current motion is to do
that in a pre session. I assume we would
probably be able to still fit in a
preession before the retreat. I'm
looking at Harold and he can say
absolutely not. But the presession on
the National Civic Leave kind of
framework for engagement. But if
engagement is something that you'd like
to talk about in the retreat, it may
make sense to have that discussion at
the retreat rather than at a presession
kind of segregated. Yeah. So learning
more about the National Civic League
framework, talking a little bit about,
you know, what the community engagement
looks like today and what your ideas are
for making that more robust over time.
Um, you know, that that might be a nice
one to put together at the retreat if
you're interested. Otherwise, we'll run
a preession ahead of time.
>> Okay. Um, do you feel like you need to
» Okay. Um, do you feel like you need to
have it as a presession or can we
compile this to the retreat?
And I'm looking for your
>> I think there are two options. We could
» I think there are two options. We could
actually have them facilitate and have
us learn the system which could be fun
and it also would be something that the
public might see.
>> Yeah. and and or have the conversation
» Yeah. and and or have the conversation
earlier and and then at at retreat
>> either one
» either one
>> discuss you know how we might implement
» discuss you know how we might implement
that and maybe
>> maybe both you know maybe we we try it
» maybe both you know maybe we we try it
out on ourselves makes ourselves the
guinea pigs and then what we learn from
that we say okay we think this would
work in this arena or with these types
of problems issues concerns
>> so maybe we'll hold off on the preession
» so maybe we'll hold off on the preession
until scheduling a presession until
after the retreat. Do cover this at the
retreat and then we can figure out how
we want to organize the presession.
>> Let's decide if we're going to have a
» Let's decide if we're going to have a
facilitator or not.
>> Okay?
» Okay?
>> Because I don't think we've decided that
» Because I don't think we've decided that
yet, but if we're going to have an
external facilitator, I would like them
to come in and and just introduce the
topic to us. They don't have to
facilitate.
>> That would be number four. Is that kind
» That would be number four. Is that kind
of what I'm looking at? Okay.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> So, thank you. Okay. Okay. And then now
» So, thank you. Okay. Okay. And then now
um Council Member Prietto,
>> I don't know.
» I don't know.
>> I have two suggestions. Is Is this an
» I have two suggestions. Is Is this an
appropriate time?
>> Yeah, go for it.
» Yeah, go for it.
>> Okay. Um so one of my suggestions is um
» Okay. Um so one of my suggestions is um
with potential federal funding cuts
coming down the pipeline to some of the
social service programs. Um I would like
to add some human service discussions
around funding programs and just a
general overview of where Longmont
stands in meeting some of the
community's most basic needs. um
specifically child care, eviction
prevention, food access, etc. Um so
that's one of them. Staff can just
provide us a presentation or we can have
a discussion maybe just let us know like
this is what we're doing around child
care. This is what we're doing and and
of course including other um community
stakeholders because of course the city
of Longmont doesn't own
>> um all of it. We're working with a lot
» um all of it. We're working with a lot
of community partners who are doing some
really good work in the community. But
just so we know as council where where
do we need to focus our attention, where
do we need to respond? And I'm hoping by
then we'll know exactly what that impact
looks like um to our community and and
where the needs are.
And then I have another suggestion if
you want me to pause.
>> Um so those two, so child care and
» Um so those two, so child care and
federal funding and what was
>> uh eviction prevention access
» uh eviction prevention access
>> kind of the the the kind of the top. So
» kind of the the the kind of the top. So
it's so yeah. So, we're going to have
federal impacts that are going to be
>> uh impacting child care, um housing,
» uh impacting child care, um housing,
like so eviction prevention was one of
the things I was thinking of and then
food access.
>> Food access. Oh yeah, that was the other
» Food access. Oh yeah, that was the other
one
>> because I know that that is was
» because I know that that is was
identified as one of the needs on the um
community survey.
>> And then could that be incorporated in
» And then could that be incorporated in
part in number two, the reports,
presentations?
C
>> it certainly could. I mean many of these
» it certainly could. I mean many of these
pieces, right? housing, early care, and
you know, I think last year we added
food and security as part of the council
vision or security [laughter] as the
vision. Um, and so I I do think that
this is represented in the current work
plan. Um, and and certainly could be
discussed as part of that overview.
>> Okay. No, that's that's good. It feels
» Okay. No, that's that's good. It feels
like a lot of that can be interwoven
into other other parts, but um yes.
Okay. Thank you. I I was going to try to
Okay, number one. number two. But
there's so many things where
>> I'm kind of letting we're going to go
» I'm kind of letting we're going to go
organically a little bit. Council member
Popkin.
>> Oh, I had one.
» Oh, I had one.
>> Oh, I'm so sorry. I Yeah, I remember.
» Oh, I'm so sorry. I Yeah, I remember.
>> And then just a really small portion of
» And then just a really small portion of
our retreat to talk a little bit about
uh just efficiencies, council
efficiencies and work efficiencies on
and how we function.
Um, you know, there's just a lot of
little kind of suggestions and areas
that I think that we could improve
administratively to help us, you know,
respond more efficiently, you know, get
uh residents answers to questions more
efficiently. And so, just a small
portion just to kind of talk about like
what are those priorities, what does it
look like, come to an agreement, and
then make a move on those.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
And then I'll let you kind of decide if
that's something because that that'll be
our conversation, but kind of where it
where would it embed in the
>> I can see where that where that also
» I can see where that where that also
comes. You know, if we spent some time
first of all learning about our
leadership styles and how we work better
with each other and how do we
communicate with each other and then
maybe move that into how do we have
efficient meetings? um you know that
that kind of piece and see how the civic
league work um also fits into that
because I think the idea of trying it on
ourselves trying it on yourselves um you
know might fit into that as well. So
kind of one segment around that, right?
Council um operations efficiencies and
knowing each other. One segment on staff
capacities um and things like that.
>> One with some presentations, fire, a
» One with some presentations, fire, a
Sundance update and you know and maybe a
brief council work plan update. You'll
have all that all the deep dive. We'll
have it all written so so that it's not
huge long presentations but we could
certainly give some short updates as
well.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Now
» Okay, great. Thank you. Now
>> sorry. So, like the federal funding
» sorry. So, like the federal funding
piece, um, that's something that is part
of the work plan and so we can update
the work plan and you can have a good
chunk of that deep dive information
ahead of time.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council
» Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council
Member Popkin.
>> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank
» Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank
you, Sandy, and and my fellow council
members for all the ideas so far. Um,
you actually just addressed maybe two or
three of my suggestions, which I would
say a plus one on like in some ways a
pre-eread on some of these upformational
updates. I think would allow us to kind
of uh fulfill the spirit of Council
Member Mars's suggestion, which I
actually fully agree with. I'd love to
have more space for us to all I I feel
like that's a a limited commodity is
space when we can actually all discuss
freely together. Um, and you know, we
aren't worried about pushing 11:00 at
night. Um so uh would would very much
welcome that and then still appreciate
theformational items so we can have the
most informed discussion possible. Um so
that just speaks to kind of more uh
presentation information or other
updates as like a council com ahead of
time where possible. [clears throat]
Um, plus one on Sundance, though I'd
take a slightly uh I have a slightly
different perspective on on the
opportunity of Sundance than uh the
mayor prom on this and that maybe
there's some more opportunities that we
aren't fully uh utilizing. And I think
having that discussion kind of in real
time in March would be productive even
if it's not fully realized by next
January. This is a 10-year program at
least or commitment to the region. So
thinking about how do we grow into this
um and what what we should be looking
for I would
>> okay
» okay
>> um the uh second thinking about the
» um the uh second thinking about the
vision of like what's our kind of vision
for the airport as a council um and
uh up plus one um what uh council member
Prito was suggesting too on like how we
work together efficiently um I think you
actually asked me a question kind of as
we were joining the new term saying like
what happens when we get emails and
do se are seven people responding in
different ways. Are are we like tag
teaming this because of open meetings
laws and and like we can't all be on
multiple things. So maybe there's a way
we can um better like say like hey this
pair works on this issue or this like
this word and this at large pair will
respond on most of these issues some
something like that. I don't know what
the answer is, but um I think that would
be a great way to like a great time to
try to figure out what's the optimal way
we can uh collaborate or support each
other on that so that we're not stepping
on toes or sending mixed messages.
>> I'm going to tell you, I've been here
» I'm going to tell you, I've been here
since 2019 and I still don't know.
[laughter]
>> Has it been a retreat item before?
» Has it been a retreat item before?
>> It has never been. So, I I thoroughly
» It has never been. So, I I thoroughly
[laughter]
support that idea. I I want answers.
>> Excellent. Um I'll also second the
» Excellent. Um I'll also second the
regional resilience discussion. um maybe
beyond just fire mitigation and thinking
more about um we we get a lot of
questions about water as well. And I
think just having that kind of open
discussion about like hey what how are
we with the natural resource situation
that we're in and the overall kind of
regional climate and what are we facing
and what kind of challenges are we
prepared for and what's kind of you know
more of a an ambition in terms of
preparedness.
Um, and then the last two things I'll
put on the table here. Um, one as an
activity or exercise potentially given
what I've heard from my colleagues, um,
I might suggest that whether it's Sandy
or the facilitation team look into the
how now wow exercise which allows uh,
folks to work together and figure out
hey what are we trying to do now or what
do we know how to do now? What are we um
figuring out how to do but we can do is
within our capacity and what do we not
know how to do but really want to do.
Um, and it's kind of a nice way to
bucket different goals, um, or
priorities. Um,
and then I think the last thing I just
really want to offer on the table that I
didn't see anywhere else is thinking
about what our vision is for, you know,
we've had some discussions in LA urban
renewal authority and in city council a
little bit, but what is our vision for
the first and main area like fully and
and how do we make that I mean that that
might be one of the most significant uh
local development uh efforts that's
happening. And I think having a clear
understanding of what what are we all
staff council working towards there um
for clarity for the community. So,
>> so and that last one I would assume
» so and that last one I would assume
that's going to be going on to number
one where we're looking at our work
plan. We're looking at our our goals and
I think you know there it's related to
kind of
>> how I I'm just kind of thinking about
» how I I'm just kind of thinking about
how can we embed some of these topics so
they're not isolated but just kind of
interwoven in things that we're we're
covering. So it's not and and how are
you feeling like you're looking at this
list and
>> yeah I think I think if we could offer a
» yeah I think I think if we could offer a
lot of pre-work for the council I think
that would be helpful.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Um I know I spent a year of my life
» Um I know I spent a year of my life
working on the first and main uh
visioning exercise and the main street
corridor project and listening to the
community and so there's such great
information already out there. Yes.
>> Um that that that work as a foundation
» Um that that that work as a foundation
and stepping stone. And so um the same
thing with the airport that I found an
old airport business plan the day. I'm
like these are all the things we're
talking about. Huh. Okay. Um and so, you
know, if we can provide some of that
depth in the packet for council, then
hopefully we could reduce um you know,
the presentation side of it and have
more discussion coming from the
springboard because where it gets tough
is when people are brainstorming things
that have already been
>> vetted and discussed in the community.
» vetted and discussed in the community.
So, if if we can provide that as a
foundation for you to be able to take it
from there, I think we could
>> that would be very
» that would be very
>> reduce the staff presentations and still
» reduce the staff presentations and still
honor all of the work already been done.
>> Honor the work that's already been done.
» Honor the work that's already been done.
And then by that time we would be able
to sit on this, reflect on it and have
our own discussion where you're just
kind of getting your popcorn and
watching it [laughter]
watching the sparks fly. Um, Council
Member Colover,
>> I really appreciate what Council Member
» I really appreciate what Council Member
Prito said. Um, because yes, the looking
at all of the emails, it is very
confusing who's doing what. So, I really
applaud that. I also want to add on the
the federal budget crisis that we're in
and I don't want to water down the very
important topics that she brought up,
but I know there's a lot of other
departments in the city that are waiting
on funding to come through that have
been paused. I know Vision Zero is also
seeing some of those funding. Um, so I
don't know if we can have a highlevel
overview of all of the grants that we're
waiting on and then maybe we can deep
dive on some of the ones that we we
select that are really important. But I
think it'd be nice to have a very high
level of this is what it looks like on a
on a federal level for all these
different departments and then deep dive
into those really important topics. Um
when it comes to Sundance, I would love
to see like Visit Longmont come and give
us some information on what they're
working on just so we can get up to
speed and we're all rowing together. Um
just so we're not stepping on their toes
and we're not um kind of colliding
together. Um, so it'd be nice to invite
also some of our boards or outside
boards to present as well if that's
possible. Um, and then when it comes to
uh team building, I've done insights
discovery. I'm not suggesting that we do
that, but um, it's something really good
where we can learn um, different
personalities and how to communicate
with each other. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then,
» Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then,
you know, adding on and I I couldn't
remember what I there was something I
wanted to ask and I could not remember
what it was and it sparked a memory to
add LDDDA to the conversation as well.
>> The the Sundance the Sundance
» The the Sundance the Sundance
conversation.
>> Um, not necessar. Yeah. just in general
» Um, not necessar. Yeah. just in general
like really building you know since my
start on council and and we've try I've
made efforts I've tried and there there
seems to be a disconnect between
business and council what we're moving
forward and I think it's just that lack
of opportunity to have discussion so it
you know being able to bring in LDDA um
visit long lDA and visit Longmont and
LEDp to into the conversation and, you
know, have them
kind of weigh in on what what they're
seeing, what their reality is, and
making sure that we're not, you know,
unintentionally making, you know, moving
forward on priorities that that hurt
small business. Um, Council Member, um,
Marcine, go ahead.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Just and I, we've kind
» Thank you, Mayor. Just and I, we've kind
of discussed it. Just a conceptual
question for staff and for, you know,
you, Mayor, and others who've been
through the process. Council member
Chris, member Chair McCoy, who who've
kind of because I'm I'm sitting here and
we've got the, you know, the 2023
council priorities chart here. And all
of these are still, you know, ECE is
still a a crisis for working families in
our community. And I think any of us
could sit down and say, you know, what
are the three issues that you most want
to talk about or discuss in our retreat?
And that's and we and we would probably
come up with a lot of the same ones, but
we'd all maybe bring something a little
bit different to the table. So, I guess
my question is just process-wise,
conceptually that you're talking about
that work plan work that occurs. I guess
if you can just tell me talk to me a
little bit about how that has occurred
in the past and how we together can get
to you know that collaborative
conversation around these core issues
because I think so you you get what I'm
I'm asking is is how do we how do we go
about that and what does that work
ultimately entail to get us to a place
where we can update these things where
we have an understanding of what are all
what are the three issues that we all
nail into. if you can just quickly kind
of help me understand that a little bit.
>> Yeah, that's a that's a great question.
» Yeah, that's a that's a great question.
Um, Mayor Huggle Fairing and Council
Member Marcen, if you take a look at
that chart, at the very base of that is
core services. And so, part of it is
rooting everybody in. This is the 90%
95% of the things that we do every day
to provide public safety, to provide
quality of life services and um
infrastructure to the community. And
just letting folks know that that's what
it is and these are the things we're
facing this next year so that you have
that in mind in the back of your head.
Then as you moved up um equity, safety,
and sustainability. This is kind of how
we do this work. So it's something just
to kind of keep in mind as you're
working through um you know your um your
planning. And then the three pillars,
right? Housing for all, the uh early
childhood care and education and
transportation. Those are huge topics
and there could be seven billion
projects that go under each of those.
And so prior councils have chosen
specific projects that they've wanted to
focus on. I would assume this council
would do the same and have some
conversation around are these three
still the right pillars for this council
and what are the things that you're
interested in accomplishing during the
time in which you are a council and how
does that look um a part of that is also
the places and amenities uh that the
reason that's a roof on this little
graphic is because you know it it is the
stuff that kind of encompasses right so
when you are talking about
transportation you're talking about
first and main but you're also talking
about placemaking and the amenities that
are going to come with that and so
ensuring that the places that we are
planning um are in congruence with the
council's priorities. Um and then
[clears throat] behind that is the
climate action side. There was a
realization from past council that we
aren't the only ones that are going to
affect the climate but we do have an
effect on the climate and
[clears throat] so ensuring that some of
the council goals that we have towards
renewable energy um and sustainability
are in mind as you are going through the
planning. So how we have done it in the
past have varied depending on how the
council wants to look at it. But I think
the first real question is are these
still the right three pillars for this
council. If the answer is yes and we
will show you anyway. Here's all the
stuff we've done under these so that you
can see kind of where we are and in some
cases we are mid- project in some of
these. Um and so I I believe the council
still wants us to continue and finish
those projects. But now taking a look to
the next piece understanding this is
where the core services are. this is
where the capacity is. Where would this
council like to focus during your time?
And that's going to be critical because
we can't do everything. So to understand
what the priority is for this council is
what we would try to get through through
facilitation techniques and
brainstorming.
>> Yeah. And then what that does is lead us
» Yeah. And then what that does is lead us
into so when we talk about a capacity
conversation, it's not just a physical
capacity to get the work done. It's do
you have the financial capacity to do
it? Because
>> your financial resources are always
» your financial resources are always
going to be the guiding princip piece on
this because
>> do you have enough money to do all these
» do you have enough money to do all these
things? What are the different financing
buckets that you have to look at?
Because
those two things start driving a lot of
decisions in terms of where you move
because the more you dilute the
financial capacity, the less you're
actually able to do.
um because you're putting more money
into multiple things and it makes it
more difficult to solve the that piece
of the puzzle. So that's the capacity
conversation that we'll need to talk
about. And you know the core services
portion of this I think um I've done a
lot of strategic planning where everyone
is thinking of okay what do we want to
see in the future vision which is great
but if you don't recognize that a huge
portion in fact most of the work that
the city does is to provide clean water
>> reliable electricity trash services fire
» reliable electricity trash services fire
and police services if you if there's
not that recognition then then we are
stretching the capacity way too thin as
Harold reminded me when he first started
here. [laughter]
Okay. Um, very good. Thank you. Um,
Mayor Prom McCoy.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I I'm looking at a
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, I I'm looking at a
calendar here and I'm thinking about how
uh it's it's kind of a shame that uh
Council Member PTO and and Council
Member Koffers points to the um grants
and things like that. Uh and this
conversation that we're talking about
having uh around um you know our our new
priorities or potentially new priorities
uh couldn't have come earlier because
just literally the week before many of
us might be going to the National League
of Cities conference and wanting to kind
of make sure that we're getting the
right message out to uh our um
representatives [snorts]
in Washington. uh and the message that
we want as a as a collective council,
not not not after the fact. I just it's
a bummer that uh and there's no changing
it now, but there's just no uh it's a
shame that we couldn't have had somehow
conversations about those uh things
because those are the things that as we
move forward and as we go to uh to talk
to members of uh of Congress and uh and
also talk to other communities about how
they're uh handling these challenges
uh would be seriously beneficial. to the
the overall uh positive and and success
of of this council. So, uh I don't know
how to change that, Sandy. I just uh
think that it's kind of something that
as we proceed maybe there's some way of
of seeing how we
how we can
get a a a working plan going forward so
that people h are relatively on what we
think people's priorities will be.
>> We we could certainly provide the list
» We we could certainly provide the list
of grants that you all were talking
about um you know the the federal grants
that we're reliant on or that we're
waiting on. We could certainly provide
that well before the retreat before we
could provide it for NLC if you would
drive
>> and also city's priorities for getting
» and also city's priorities for getting
those things forward.
>> So, and are you um I I do have a
» So, and are you um I I do have a
follow-up question. So, are you
referencing
um kind of taking what
are what we're getting out of our
council retreat in this discussion on
federal funding to be able to take it to
the um National League of Cities. So my
wondering is if we during our council
retreat, you know, allotted some time
for council to update the rest of
council on um what we went through at
the um at the NLC conference and then
kind of come to a consensus. Okay, this
is what we want to advocate for. I mean,
I've hours on the phone with our
Congress people and, you know, I'm
getting to the point where I'm calling
other state Congress people and, you
know, [laughter]
just so you know, at least if we can
come together on a consensus and
messaging, then, you know, we take what
we've learned from National League of
Cities, what are have some conversation
around that, come up with what our
priorities are and how we can advocate
that, you know, via phone call or email
to our Congress. Congress people.
>> Okay. Um well that and that would be led
» Okay. Um well that and that would be led
by us, not not you guys. Um Council
Member Popkin.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Just to also piggyback
» Yeah. Thank you. Just to also piggyback
on this discussion. So um just speaking
from experience as as someone who's led
delegations of other city council
sometimes in DC. That's one of the less
in from my professional opinion that's
one of the less effective weeks to
actually really do a coordinated
lobbying effort because everyone's
there. And so what I'd actually suggest
is we have a discussion when we're and
I've seen a couple nods there. And so
what I might suggest is I I really do
appreciate um the point that Mayor Prom
McCoy is making though. And I'm
wondering is this a better topic for
maybe a presession or a study session
earlier in the year than and maybe a
follow- on and retreat through NLC so we
can all go into NLC productively and
then maybe think about a coordinated
separate depending on depending on what
our federal resource agenda might be or
state then we have a more cohesive
strategy and figure out when's the when
is the right time to have a delegation
from the city go and do this then it's
much more intentional and oriented I
think around the strategic goals that
you had in mind and
maybe maybe it's informed by retreat,
maybe it's uh kind of maybe we're
helping inform retreat.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So, do do we still want to all lot some
» So, do do we still want to all lot some
time on our retreat to have this
discussion?
>> Well, I think what I'm what I'm trying
» Well, I think what I'm what I'm trying
trying to get at is is there does it
make sense based on what what uh
resources we have in our crosshairs at
this moment
>> to do something sooner? If not, then we
» to do something sooner? If not, then we
can maybe do it at retreat or after. But
I think either way, we should have a
cohesive discussion about how do we best
advocate for the resources that we need.
>> Okay. Yeah. And I'm just kind of
» Okay. Yeah. And I'm just kind of
thinking maybe that's something down the
line. I just want to get what's on the
retreat right now. So,
>> well, and but if it can be on a
» well, and but if it can be on a
presession or study session before, then
we take
>> And I'm wondering, this is where I'm
» And I'm wondering, this is where I'm
going to kick it back to to Harold and
[clears throat] staff. I mean, we're
running out of days. [laughter]
>> I think that's true. um Mayor Hoggo
» I think that's true. um Mayor Hoggo
Fairing, but I do wonder how many of
these could be study sessions as opposed
to retreat discussion discussions.
>> Um you know, when when I look at it, I
» Um you know, when when I look at it, I
mean, it seems to me like
>> um perhaps the fire and and regional
» um perhaps the fire and and regional
resilience could be more of like a
single study session topic or one of two
or something like that.
>> Um and the same thing with Sundance. um
» Um and the same thing with Sundance. um
you know I I understand there may want
to be some brainstorming and so maybe
that does lend itself better for the
retreat but
>> um you know they seem a little bit more
» um you know they seem a little bit more
isolated. It does make sense for you all
to come back from NLC and share your
learnings. I think that's important and
that could be part of the retreat. Then
you determine what your priorities are
and then we take those priorities and
lobby them. That's that's kind of what I
have done in the past that seems to work
and not necessarily even going to DC as
much as just inviting our legislators
here. They come they like Longmont.
Yeah.
>> So when we invite them, uh, they do come
» So when we invite them, uh, they do come
and we can speak to them much more
specifically that way.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> I think would that help because I I
» I think would that help because I I
would like and I'm kind of trying to
think, you know, once we throw
everything out on the table, then we can
kind of
>> pick and choose, okay, what would be
» pick and choose, okay, what would be
better for an open retreat conversation
and what would be more conducive to just
having it be part of a study session or
go ahead. and we can break this up and
we can get a look at it and what's
really operationally driven and what
makes more sense in the study session,
what's really more policy driven that
makes more sense in the retreat. And
then to Sandy's point, you know, when we
look at the Sundance conversation, a
they're pretty specific in terms of what
they want us to talk about, how they
want us to talk about it, and they're
really driving it. And it may be that
that may be actually more conducive to a
study session down the road once they
get more clarity because
>> they're still trying to do their event
» they're still trying to do their event
and then bring it forward.
>> They've been pretty clear with us to say
» They've been pretty clear with us to say
>> there's words and I'm looking to Jen if
» there's words and I'm looking to Jen if
Jyn's around.
>> Oh no.
» Oh no.
>> I think there's
» I think there's
>> Oh, there
» Oh, there
>> words that we can use, words that we
» words that we can use, words that we
can't use. I mean it's
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> a prescription. It's we're really taking
» a prescription. It's we're really taking
the lead from them to support them.
>> Yes. [laughter]
» Yes. [laughter]
>> And that may be more conducive
» And that may be more conducive
>> to have maybe a brief presentation on
» to have maybe a brief presentation on
here's what we're doing now that we know
of.
>> We'll know more June or July and then
» We'll know more June or July and then
that may be more robust conversation. Is
that a
>> Yeah, I think that's fair. I just was
» Yeah, I think that's fair. I just was
going to say generally Sundance really
has to sign off on any use of Sundance
um in terms of marketing and um events
that are surrounding. Um so that's
really just the the main component, but
we can certainly provide more
information at whichever time you'd like
either as part of the um retreat or part
of a work session.
>> Okay. No, and I thank you for that. I
» Okay. No, and I thank you for that. I
couldn't if I was Harold and owned a
business say I'm doing this
>> Sundance
» Sundance
>> event without them signing off on it.
» event without them signing off on it.
And I think
>> everyone's waiting on that. I think
» everyone's waiting on that. I think
Boulder's really still at the forefront
of this too.
>> Um Council Member McCoy's conversation.
» Um Council Member McCoy's conversation.
And I think there's over 10 years
opportunities, but I think right now is
it's in its infancy stage and
>> yes,
» yes,
>> we need to watch them a little bit. But
» we need to watch them a little bit. But
I think we'll have more later. I think
we'll have more later.
>> Okay. Thank you for pointing that out. I
» Okay. Thank you for pointing that out. I
just, you know, I want us to be a good
partner in this and um you know, and I
know there's a lot of excitement around
that. So, um I I think, you know, if we
follow your lead and um I think Jen's
already, you know, getting the
information we need and then eventually
get a an update when the time is right.
And I accidentally turned off your mic.
Go ahead, Council Member Brietto.
>> Sorry, I I only had the two, but then we
» Sorry, I I only had the two, but then we
were talking and something came to mind
and I don't know necessarily if it's
like a framework in which we use or an
agenda item at the retreat. I think
you'll tell me right now, Sandy. Um, but
I couldn't help but to think, um,
[clears throat] during my campaign, I
spoke a lot about
how different systems come together and
how a lot of the time cities have the
resources they need
for you to meet the needs of the
community. It's there's just a lack of
connection connecting those systems. Um,
and I know like a lot of nonprofits,
there's a lot of conversations between
cities and nonprofits and community
partners and schools around like how do
we resource share? How do we come
together? And I think that's something
that I'm new though, so I don't correct
me if I'm wrong, that maybe the city's
lacking or a lot of places are lacking
because no one has the time or energy to
put toward that to actually make those
connections. Um and so and then I also
want to note like Harold when I was in
my campaign I went to the uh state of
the city and Harold talked about systems
and connecting those systems and so I
was like he speaks my language you know
and so
I don't I don't know how to put that
into the agenda but I want to make sure
that that language is there or that
framework or maybe it becomes one of the
priorities for the city is really
connecting these systems within the city
to meet the community need
especially since we're in a moment of
time where there's potential loss of
funding etc etc but I don't you you
would probably know better where we can
kind of put that in there
>> thinking
» thinking
>> yeah I feel like I've heard that several
» yeah I feel like I've heard that several
times from council members around
connecting with the community like you
know really making sure that we either
have events or systems or ways so that
we can really connect with the community
whether that's individuals that maybe
you haven't heard from traditionally or
whether that's this you know kind of
this bigger picture systems thinking
aspect that you're thinking of. So I I
can see where that would you know
certainly fulfill many of the things
that you have talked about as a group
>> and that could actually we could
» and that could actually we could
probably incorporate that in the
capacity conversation and utilizing
systems thinking to maximize capacity
both financially and operationally.
And then how can you take that systems
thinking concept to then apply it to
engagement in the in these other pieces?
Because you're right, I think daily
we're okay, we need to do this and six
things touch it. How do we connect the
six things to pull into the one? And I
think we could probably incorporate that
into that capacity conversation because
that's how you gain capacity is by
utilizing systems thinking to free up
capacity in different areas. And so I
could do that as part of my piece
>> if that's what council wants.
» if that's what council wants.
>> No, I like that. Mayor, here's what I've
» No, I like that. Mayor, here's what I've
got kind of as an outline in my head
right now. So, I heard
>> um you know a segment around learning
» um you know a segment around learning
about each other's styles and
backgrounds in order to be more
efficient and effective as a board um
and and to be able to make sure that
this that this council leaves the mark
that you intend to. Um and so maybe
that's the first part of it. And then
moving into that capacity federal
funding, what what are we doing now?
will provide kind of a deeper background
on on what has been done so far so that
you have that in your packets ahead of
time and then Harold can talk about that
capacity, that federal funding piece,
the grants and kind of see where that
looks like. Um, and then turn that to
the conversation around council
priorities now that you've heard the
capacity side of it and you're all, you
know, ready to work with each other in
an excellent way. um how do you then
determine what this council's priorities
are going to be and what does that look
like for 202 um six and and through 2030
really for this team um and then morph
that into okay now how do we connect
with the community on these topics on
other things like what are the
connections that we need to be making um
if we do those things let's have a
little info session where council is
teaching each other what they learned at
NLC [laughter]
>> okay yeah
» okay yeah
>> and then in that case we would move
» and then in that case we would move
Sundance and the and the resiliency
conversations to to study sessions if
that's all right. Um if that's if that's
okay with everybody still still talk
about it but do it during that piece. Um
and then the NL the NCL training is part
of that team building the effectiveness
of bodies and things like that. So,
>> okay.
» okay.
>> Um, let me just double checking to make
» Um, let me just double checking to make
sure I've got this all
>> in. And
» in. And
>> yeah,
» yeah,
>> if I can add one thing that may become a
» if I can add one thing that may become a
topic of conversation
and reading the Colorado Municipal
League magazine about the upcoming
legislation and legislative session is
in study sessions or some point. We may
need some time to talk to you all
because this could be
>> a year where there are a lot of battles
» a year where there are a lot of battles
in terms of home roll.
>> Um, it's really starting to to show
» Um, it's really starting to to show
itself that that's going to be front and
center
>> um in terms of legislation that we're
» um in terms of legislation that we're
hearing is going to drop. So, we may
need some space in a study session or
potentially even in a retreat to where
we have some space to maybe talk about
that because our guts telling us when it
hits, it's going to hit. And who's the
CML? You're the CML pol who's the CML
policy committ.
>> You're the CML.
» You're the CML.
>> It's all on you.
» It's all on you.
>> We're in it together.
» We're in it together.
>> It's it's just we're we're all starting
» It's it's just we're we're all starting
to see it. Um, and cities are getting
pretty concerned about what this means.
So,
>> if we can kind of hold some space,
» if we can kind of hold some space,
>> okay,
» okay,
>> because by the time we get to the
» because by the time we get to the
retreat, we're going to start seeing
what's coming out.
>> Got it. Probably two weeks we'll be
» Got it. Probably two weeks we'll be
starting another.
[laughter]
>> Yeah, probably. Well, no, I'm thinking
» Yeah, probably. Well, no, I'm thinking
[snorts] two weeks we're going to see
the first
>> we can 200 bills dropped. [laughter]
» we can 200 bills dropped. [laughter]
That's right.
>> Okay, good. I know you do. I know you
» Okay, good. I know you do. I know you
do. And pardon, mayor, we would also
invite um folks from the LDDA to the
retreat, visit Lmont and LDP as part of
that. Um I I know you had mentioned
involving youth council a little bit
more. Would you be interested in
inviting them on Saturday?
>> Oo, maybe we can have a lunch with them.
» Oo, maybe we can have a lunch with them.
>> Let's do that. Let's just squeeze it in
» Let's do that. Let's just squeeze it in
wherever.
>> They're they're interested. That's a
» They're they're interested. That's a
good one.
>> They're interested in being part of the
» They're interested in being part of the
conversation.
>> Oh, wonderful. So, if we could have one
» Oh, wonderful. So, if we could have one
of those lunches be a um a round table
lunch with youth council,
>> probably Saturday since there wouldn't
» probably Saturday since there wouldn't
be school.
>> That's right. Yes, that is true.
» That's right. Yes, that is true.
Although they'd appreciate Friday.
>> I think they would I think they would
» I think they would I think they would
love Friday. Yes. [laughter] So, I will
mention
>> Saturday. Yeah.
» Saturday. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So, a seus a segment in your retreat
» So, a seus a segment in your retreat
about learning about each other, working
with each other, spending some time with
each other. A segment in your retreat
about um priority priorities and what
this looks like for you all. and and
kind of a level setting on what the uh
playing field looks like today from
Harold's position with respect to
capacity and federal funding and you
know kind of here's the here's the world
we live in today how do these priorities
now match for this particular council um
and then turn that into then the
community engagement
um commu connecting the how do we
connect community that seem like nice
kind of four chunks where we'll I'll
slide in some of these other pieces
>> yes yeah no that's that sounds good I'm
» yes yeah no that's that sounds good I'm
going to go ahead and Um, Council Member
Popkin, you had your mic on.
>> Yeah. One last thing to add into the
» Yeah. One last thing to add into the
systems discussion. I think it relates
very closely and it builds on something
that Mayor Harder and I were talking
about in the last council on how we
align our rates with our policy
objectives. And so I think making sure
we can have that kind of substantive
discussion there I think would
complement a lot of what council uh
member priz was suggesting some of the
conversations Harold you and I have had
and building on our our sol our our
waste management our electricity rates
our um transport um particular uh
airport fees like how how fees and rates
align with our policy priorities. So,
just wanted to introduce that in
whatever way that fuses with
>> that conversation.
» Okay,
>> Council Member Marcy.
» Council Member Marcy.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly, this has
» Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly, this has
been a great conversation. I hope you
have what you need, Sandy. The only the
only thing I guess I I haven't heard a
lot of discussion about and maybe I
missed it at some point is maybe folded
into that conversation about how we work
as individuals and how we work together
some of the logistics of that cuz I
think we've had some discussion up here
about preessions about what that all
looks like about you know how we
actually logistically navigate that and
I I think and mayor this is kind of a
you question is is you know time in the
retreat for us to say okay this is how
we want to kind of use those spaces or
give you feedback or however you would
want to navigate that cuz I was looking
at my list and that's the only thing I
think we we didn't hit is like how do we
navigate
presessions work sessions so that we
have more as council member Pockin
mentioned earlier of those opportunities
to discuss things a little more freely
work together kind of conversations
>> we could certainly fold those into that
» we could certainly fold those into that
efficiency and effectiveness
conversation there's just keep in mind
terminology wise there's two kinds of
precessions um there's the precession s
that mayor Pek had requested
[clears throat]
which happened regularly and the idea
was to update each other on boards and
commissions but other business was also
conducted and then there's presessions
that the council directs us to bring
that is a deeper dive and open free
conversation about a discussion like
>> uh vision zero came as a preession so
» uh vision zero came as a preession so
there are two different pieces housing
yeah there's there's kind of two
different ways to look at precession so
it might be great to clarify
>> yeah [laughter]
» yeah [laughter]
>> yeah no and then that would give me the
» yeah no and then that would give me the
opportunity to kind of throw back out.
>> I, you know, I I liked the spirit of the
» I, you know, I I liked the spirit of the
presession where we updated, but then it
just felt very mechanical and inorganic
and it it wasn't as helpful as I think
it could have been. And I'm still trying
to fe you know, and maybe this is a good
opportunity to discuss how do we want
those to to look in the future. Um the
one thing I am not hearing is the
discussion about boards and commissions
and also around the liaison. So I'm
assuming that would be a separate
precession. Is that
>> and so I am that's what I was going to
» and so I am that's what I was going to
ask. So the rule 27 piece where the
board appointments that that could be
something that is in a study session. It
it's very black and white. It's
addressing this particular piece in our
rules of procedure. um our liaison.
Um I'm almost and I I didn't think did
we add I don't think we added that to
our council retreat.
>> I believe that was previous discussion.
» I believe that was previous discussion.
>> That was a previous discussion.
» That was a previous discussion.
>> That was previous direction.
» That was previous direction.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to throw
» Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to throw
that out.
>> I just wanted to make sure because it's
» I just wanted to make sure because it's
currently the the agenda that I would
bring back to you does not include that
segment. Would that would be separated,
but I just wanted to clarify that.
>> Okay. I would like to know what what
» Okay. I would like to know what what
other council people feel council
council people
>> because it could council members feel
» because it could council members feel
feel about yeah if we want
>> want to add this on
» want to add this on
>> or or add a separate
» or or add a separate
>> sorry Don do you need to jump in there
» sorry Don do you need to jump in there
>> I was clarifying the yes
» I was clarifying the yes
[snorts and clears throat]
>> the question is to discuss the your role
» the question is to discuss the your role
as liaison to the boards
>> that's what I was
» that's what I was
>> philosophical discussion
» philosophical discussion
>> yes
» yes
>> which is different than your rule of
» which is different than your rule of
procedure
>> yes and So that's two different topics.
» yes and So that's two different topics.
>> Two different things. Yes. But I do
» Two different things. Yes. But I do
believe that at least one suggestion was
to discuss both of those at some point.
>> So I think council wants to discuss both
» So I think council wants to discuss both
of them. Do you want to do it together?
Do you want to do it through two
separate things? How do you
>> the rule rule um changing to the rule 27
» the rule rule um changing to the rule 27
is more I I I feel it's good about um
having that on a separate agenda item
>> and we have that direction that
» and we have that direction that
direction. So we're good with that
today. So the liaison I'm going to throw
this out to council the liaison and
um oh how how we proceed with our
appointments. So how we all as council
members pick our liaison is that I feel
like that was one that we wanted to
discuss as well if I recall correctly.
Um
>> might as well lightly
» might as well lightly
>> lightly lightly okay very very lightly.
» lightly lightly okay very very lightly.
Um just a sprinkle uh council member
Christ. Yeah, [laughter]
» thank you, mayor, and thank you,
councelor Pelicanin, for that nice segue
because I want to make a final plea for
some restorative time. Um, relaxed time
and time with nature. And if we could
maybe use a round table instead of long
tables, it some about where we were last
time felt like a typing pool, honestly.
And and I just, you know, it raises a
stress level. You can't be very creative
in that scenario and would like it to be
more relaxed for the public too.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Okay. Um I thought you were going to
» Okay. Um I thought you were going to
suggest a ma a massage therapist and a
chair but [laughter]
>> and it was really useful.
» and it was really useful.
>> Sorry. Now now I'm getting a little
» Sorry. Now now I'm getting a little
silly here. Um council member um
Marcine.
>> Thank you mayor. I wanted to comment
» Thank you mayor. I wanted to comment
specifically on your question cuz what
I'm hearing is
is kind of a it almost is a natural like
council workflow section after we talk
about how we work as individuals how and
then how do we want to work with each
other and we logistically hit on
preessions the liaison role that kind of
all fits in naturally before we dive
into you know the policy work
conversations. I think we have we figure
out those logistics and then work from
there rather than like a separate
conversation. So I I I do see all that
kind of fitting into one at the retreat
cuz I I'm viewing this retreat as how do
we do this work together over the next
two years and not necessarily although
like I said we can all list issues we
want to talk about like if we all I
think want to talk about airport I want
to talk about early childhood ed
everybody knows that but I think we need
to figure out how we work together both
functionally and philosophically.
I like that.
>> Okay. So, we'll we'll talk about the
» Okay. So, we'll we'll talk about the
board liaison, the philosophical
conversation about board liaison roles
at the retreat.
>> At the retreat and then the more
» At the retreat and then the more
specific
>> um council rules and procedures around
» um council rules and procedures around
board appointments you want to do during
a public session. Yes. Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> That I think they have to because that
» That I think they have to because that
will lead to direction and voting which
I think does fit better in
>> in the meeting. Yeah. The motion said
» in the meeting. Yeah. The motion said
February 3rd.
>> Okay. Yes. The motion was specific. Very
» Okay. Yes. The motion was specific. Very
specific. [laughter]
>> I like that. Yes, we need that.
» I like that. Yes, we need that.
>> Specific.
» Specific.
>> Yeah. Very good.
» Yeah. Very good.
>> Okay. So, do you feel like you've have
» Okay. So, do you feel like you've have
something well laid out and then the
rest of council, you're not going to
leave here today saying she didn't let
me answer that, get this out. Okay.
>> So, Mayor Huggle Fairing, I will bring
» So, Mayor Huggle Fairing, I will bring
back a draft retreat. This is not the
end of the conversation. So, approve
that and just make sure that I've
actually hit it. uh last conversation.
Did you want an outside facilitator or
did you want an inside facilitator? My
feelings won't be hurt either way, just
so
>> Okay. I mean, I think for some parts it
» Okay. I mean, I think for some parts it
might be better to have an outside
facilitator. I mean, when we're getting
updates from Harold, we don't need an
outside person to kind of lead that that
piece. Um I don't where where do we
feel? Um you know what? I'm going to
just kind of work my way start over here
two and then three and move my way down.
Um, go ahead, Council Member Popkin.
>> Super quick. I I tend to lean towards an
» Super quick. I I tend to lean towards an
outside facilitator, especially when
there are just diff like different
workplace dynamics involved and power
dynamics involved. Um, because I'd also
want, frankly, you and Harold and other
staff and city managers to like
participate in some of the conversation
too. Yes, it's council's retreat, but
you know, everything that we do is
depend is like it's it's an ecosystem
here. And so so that would be my bias
there.
>> Okay. Thank you,
» Okay. Thank you,
Council Member Prito.
>> I second. Council member Popkin.
» I second. Council member Popkin.
>> Okay.
» Mayor Prom McCoy.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I think an outside um
» Thank you, Mayor. I think an outside um
person is is always good. Uh although I
have to commend uh Sandy for always
being such a champ. So
>> I'm gonna give a shout out to her.
» I'm gonna give a shout out to her.
Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, Council Member Christ
outside
and would and I I will also say that I
would like you as staff to be there, but
to also have a relaxed, restorative, and
creative opportunity, which I don't
think you I don't see you ever getting.
Maybe it happens, but I don't see it
ever happening.
>> Okay. So, you have to be there and get a
» Okay. So, you have to be there and get a
massage chair.
>> Yes. [laughter]
» Yes. [laughter]
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,
» Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,
>> thank you, Mayor. I'm going to say
» thank you, Mayor. I'm going to say
outside as well, specifically thinking
about that leadership portion we talked
about, I think it's beneficial
potentially for staff as well to learn
how we think and operate without having
to worry about like leading that
discussion. Um, the less like my whole
vibe is the less work staff does to
prepare for this retreat, the happier I
individually will be. And the more work
we do to get ready, the the the better
that is in my mind. Yeah. So that I
would say out there.
>> I agree. Yes. Thank you.
» I agree. Yes. Thank you.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Um Council Member Kulkuffer.
» Um Council Member Kulkuffer.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to
» Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to
change what everybody else said. I think
that's a good idea. External. Um I do
have a massage chair, so if you want me
to bring it,
>> I can just load it in the back of my car
» I can just load it in the back of my car
and that we can borrow it for the the
couple days.
>> Yes, [laughter] please.
» Yes, [laughter] please.
>> But I think it'd be good for you all to
» But I think it'd be good for you all to
>> my lady. Sorry to make everybody
» my lady. Sorry to make everybody
excited. I would like you all to
participate in a way that is uh easier
for you to participate.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I I just mentioned to Sandy one one
» I I just mentioned to Sandy one one
person I may talk to just because I've
been on the fac the he facilitated the
RTD accountability committee. Um and
just going through that conversation. He
may be somebody I talked to because that
was as delicate and as controversial as
anything I've ever been in. Surprise.
And he he did a really good job of
keeping us on task and keeping us
focused. And so if it's okay that may be
somebody I reach out to just to see. Um
I was
it was astonishing we got through what
we got through
>> and the time frame we got through it.
» and the time frame we got through it.
>> Very good. Okay. I trust you. Thank you.
» Very good. Okay. I trust you. Thank you.
>> Um yeah. No, the council has spoken. So
» Um yeah. No, the council has spoken. So
[laughter]
thank you everyone. Uh thank you.
» Okay. So we are now at final call.
Public invited to be heard.
Is there anyone in the audience who
wishes to speak?
>> Come on down. [laughter]
» Come on down. [laughter]
>> I apologize. I didn't quite catch all of
» I apologize. I didn't quite catch all of
Harold's comments, but I just wanted to
share that in my experience, the EQ
analysis, it's a personal analysis that
there's a higher correlation to your
emotional
>> Can you raise your mic? Yes. And we'll
» Can you raise your mic? Yes. And we'll
go ahead and remind me your name again.
>> Paul St. Sundance Drive.
» Paul St. Sundance Drive.
>> So there's there's a higher correlation
» So there's there's a higher correlation
to your emotional quotient than your
intellectual quotient. So an EQ analysis
as opposed to a IQ analysis is a quite
you probably some of you have done it
I'm sure it's quite revealing exercise
and you can do simple prep ahead of time
doesn't take a lot of work but the
results are have a good correlation to
the real world and you can share them
with each other and the other one is
something called the disc analysis which
is a slightly more in-depth version you
may come across I found both of those to
be pretty proficient in that
>> and then balancing my time my earlier
» and then balancing my time my earlier
point was on the profitability of the
golf course what I wanted to say was it
feels to me that the incentives on the
management are over aligned to
profitability and maybe a dimension of
customer service or something like that
or quality of service would balance that
if that's behind the scenes what's
driving some of this uh uh perceived
cheapness on my part. Thank you. And who
who do I give the exhibits to? I'd like
you to see the uh like to see the
>> Yeah. Oh,
» Yeah. Oh,
>> that's the that's the ball dumping.
» that's the that's the ball dumping.
That's the new ones installed at Twin
Peaks, but they're removed at Ute. And
that's the email correspondence. And uh
Jeff Friezner said he's going to call me
tomorrow anyway, so you won't have to
take any action.
>> I was um emailing Jeff.
» I was um emailing Jeff.
>> Yeah, he he caught me outside.
» Yeah, he he caught me outside.
>> Great. Thank you very much. Good. I'm
» Great. Thank you very much. Good. I'm
glad. Okay. Anyone else? Come on down.
>> Greetings. Hi. New member.
» Greetings. Hi. New member.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Love it.
» Love it.
>> So, who are you?
» So, who are you?
>> Uh Paul Tiger. I live in Longmont. Uh
» Uh Paul Tiger. I live in Longmont. Uh
so, um I'm coming to remind you again
about what's going on in the dark hole.
That is the front entrance. I I have
engaged other people here. Um I
understand maybe there's some work
orders. Uh but you know, they could be
shoved aside and rearranged because the
lighting is not that important. It's
gone on for 20 years. I do fall here. I
fall a lot now. I'll fall out there and
sue you. I don't want to do that. Please
um uh fix up the lighting. Not your But
but you run the show, right? Okay.
Lighting outside. Thank you so much.
>> Great. Thank you.
» Great. Thank you.
Um, okay. So, we are now on to Oh, do
come on down.
Is there anyone else who wants to speak?
Okay. So, Lance, come on down. Who are
you?
>> Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I'd
» Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I'd
just like to remind you really quickly
that you guys are going to be talking
about the Sundance. And uh don't forget
that we're having a major traffic
problem over on Ken Pratt and Hover. Um,
while it's a great project, I would love
to see it postponed for a couple months
after Sundance, but that's probably not
going to be able to happen. But anyhow,
my concerns are about traffic problems
that we're going to have and hopefully
we can put a good face forward on that.
Thank you.
>> Very good. Thank you.
» Very good. Thank you.
>> Okay, now we're on to mayor and council
» Okay, now we're on to mayor and council
comments.
Any comments? Okay. Okay. Um,
Council Member Kuffer,
>> I'd like to thank everybody on this uh
» I'd like to thank everybody on this uh
board. Thank you, Mayor. Um, this has
been a true ride for me and I thank
everybody who supported me through this
journey. I am humbly proud to be here
and I can't wait to serve next to each
and every one of you. Um, and I can't
wait to serve our constituents. So,
thank you for having me. I'm really
excited to be here.
>> Okay, very good. Thank you for that. Um,
» Okay, very good. Thank you for that. Um,
you know, I just I want to thank you
all. I mean, I was thinking about and
kind of processing how did I want to go
around our retreat or even our board
appointments and just kind of thinking
about and you know, I I appreciate and
um really value everybody's um
professionalism and and just really
coming forward with the the best
intentions and that is, you know, our
serving our city. So, thank you all so
much. I appreciate you. Um Oh, who's
number seven? Oh, Council Member Marcy.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick,
» Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick,
and this is more for public edification.
Uh, mayor knows this, staff is familiar
with this. Just in the event that I
happen to miss a council meeting
suddenly, either or council or an LHA
meeting coming up, just for public
edification. Um, I'm kind of on baby
alert at the moment, we're expecting our
our third kiddo, a daughter kind of any
any day now. So, we're just in the event
I don't show up one night that I just
wanted the public and everybody to be
aware, that's why. It's not that I'm
ditching. I, you know, just wanted to
make sure everybody was aware. So, thank
you, K.
>> Great. Thank you for that. Um, Council
» Great. Thank you for that. Um, Council
Member Prietto,
>> just a comment to, uh, Councelor Koffer.
» just a comment to, uh, Councelor Koffer.
We're so happy to have you on council. I
think, um,
>> you bring such assets to the team um,
» you bring such assets to the team um,
and your expertise and transportation
and beyond. And, and it's something that
we really need. And so we're really
happy to have you on council and we look
forward to working with you.
>> Yes, ditto. Thank you. Um, council
» Yes, ditto. Thank you. Um, council
member Popkin.
>> Yeah, I don't have nearly as exciting
» Yeah, I don't have nearly as exciting
update as council member Mars, but um
there will be a couple meeting
[laughter] there will be a couple
meetings uh this year that I know about
that I'll have uh I'll ask for remote
>> work uh work uh for attendance
» work uh work uh for attendance
privileges. So I'll bring that forward
in a future meeting. I won't make a
motion now, but I just want to give you
guys a heads up on that.
>> Great.
» Great.
>> Um, and I also just really appreciate
» Um, and I also just really appreciate
Council Member Chris's suggestion to
consider alternative locations for our
retreat. By the way, I happen to have a
soft spot in my heart for Sundance. Uh,
sorry, Sandstone Ranch. Um, Sandstone
Ranch. We're not rebranding it. Don't
worry, we don't have the permission to
do that. Um, [laughter] and so I I
appreciate just thinking out of the box
on on where we gather together, too. So,
thank you.
>> Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, now
» Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, now
on to
city manager remarks.
» No comments. Mayor, councel.
>> Nice. Yes. And city attorney remarks.
» Nice. Yes. And city attorney remarks.
>> No comments, mayor.
» No comments, mayor.
>> Okay. So, may I have a motion to
» Okay. So, may I have a motion to
adjurnn?
>> Okay. Do we have a second?
» Okay. Do we have a second?
>> Okay. So, I have a motion um on the
» Okay. So, I have a motion um on the
table.
>> Um I'm waiting for it to Yeah. Okay. Um
» Um I'm waiting for it to Yeah. Okay. Um
any discussion?
>> Okay. All those in favor?
» Okay. All those in favor?
I okay opposed. Okay. So we are
adjourned.