[0:01] I would la now like to call the January
[0:04] 13, 2026 Longmont City Council regular
[0:08] session to order. The live stream of
[0:10] this meeting can be viewed at the city's
[0:12] YouTube channel or longpublicdia.org
[0:16] um front back slwatch back um backslash
[0:20] or comcast channels 8 and 880. Uh can we
[0:24] have a roll call, please?
[0:27] >> Absolutely. Mayor Doggoering
[0:29] » Absolutely. Mayor Doggoering
[0:29] >> here.
[0:30] » here.
[0:30] >> Mayor Prom McCoy
[0:31] » Mayor Prom McCoy
[0:31] >> present.
[0:31] » present.
[0:31] >> Council member Christ
[0:33] » Council member Christ
[0:33] >> present.
[0:33] » present.
[0:33] >> Council member Marcen
[0:34] » Council member Marcen
[0:34] >> here.
[0:35] » here.
[0:35] >> Council member Prito
[0:36] » Council member Prito
[0:36] >> present.
[0:37] » present.
[0:37] >> Council member Popkin
[0:38] » Council member Popkin
[0:38] >> here.
[0:38] » here.
[0:38] >> Mayor Yavor.
[0:39] » Mayor Yavor.
[0:39] >> Okay, let's stand for the pledge.
[0:45] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[0:48] United States of America and to the
[0:51] republic for which it stands. One nation
[0:54] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:57] justice for all.
[1:06] » In accordance with council's rules of
[1:08] procedure, the rules for providing
[1:10] public comment are as follows. Only
[1:12] Longmont residents and employees of the
[1:14] city of Longmont may speak during first
[1:16] call public invited to be heard. You
[1:19] must provide your um address on the
[1:21] signup sheet before the meeting or I
[1:23] will not call your name. Each speaker is
[1:25] limited to three minutes.
[1:28] Anyone may speak on second reading or
[1:31] public hearing um public hearing of an
[1:34] item. Uh you are asked to add your name
[1:36] to the speaker list for the specific
[1:38] item before the meeting. Anyone may
[1:41] speak during final call public invited
[1:43] to be heard. Members of the audience
[1:45] shall refrain from vulgar, disruptive,
[1:48] or abusive language, applause, heckling,
[1:50] or other actions that interfere with the
[1:53] orderly function of council. May I have
[1:56] a um so we are now at the approval of
[1:58] the December 16th, 2025 minutes. Uh may
[2:00] I have a motion to approve the minutes?
[2:03] >> Okay, so the um motion has been made by
[2:06] » Okay, so the um motion has been made by
[2:06] Mayor Prom McCoy. And do I have a
[2:09] second?
[2:09] >> Second.
[2:10] » Second.
[2:10] >> Um and council member Prietto has
[2:12] » Um and council member Prietto has
[2:12] seconded that. Is there discussion?
[2:15] Okay, there you are. Council member
[2:18] Christ.
[2:19] Um, hold on. There you go.
[2:26] so I noticed we had a discussion early
[2:28] on um in terms of our um appointments to
[2:32] boards about the airport advisory board
[2:35] and after that uh we had other
[2:38] appointments that we made where we were
[2:39] not able to fill the boards and it says
[2:43] that council did not fill this seat and
[2:47] I I just want to be clear that there was
[2:49] no controversy in any of the other
[2:50] boards and so I'm suggesting that maybe
[2:53] we add having the words having no other
[2:58] um applications that seat was not filled
[3:02] for what whichever board it is
[3:06] >> specifically what page are you looking
[3:07] » specifically what page are you looking
[3:08] on
[3:08] >> I just want to see the language
[3:10] » I just want to see the language
[3:10] >> and I'm trying to find it now because um
[3:14] » and I'm trying to find it now because um
[3:14] let's see
[3:17] let me make sure I'm in the right one
[3:19] here
[3:22] that happened later in the
[3:26] So hang on.
[3:36] » Start on.
[3:38] >> Thank you.
[3:41] » Okay. I'm only on 10. So
[3:43] >> Okay. If you refer to 16 and 17.
[3:48] » Okay. If you refer to 16 and 17.
[3:48] Thank you, councelor Mercy.
[3:49] >> Yes.
[3:52] » Yes.
[3:52] >> Okay.
[3:58] So on page 16 [sighs]
[4:00] um
[4:02] there was a discussion about the airport
[4:04] advisory board and um reopening
[4:06] applications and then um
[4:12] later on for instance on 17 it uh the it
[4:16] is annotated that one vacancy was not
[4:18] filled without explanation.
[4:21] And um whereas uh when it comes to the
[4:25] golf course advisory board, it says no
[4:27] applications were received for this
[4:28] board. Thus, two vacancies were not
[4:30] filled. So I just want to be consistent
[4:32] and say uh where
[4:36] um for instance housing and human ser
[4:40] human services
[4:42] uh
[4:44] we appointed one individual and then
[4:47] three vacancies were not filled. And so
[4:50] I would like to add a verbiage that says
[4:52] having no other applicants, three
[4:55] vacancies were not filled
[5:00] because then you go to master board of
[5:02] appeals and it says no applications were
[5:03] received. Thus, three vacancies were not
[5:06] filled. Um
[5:10] so um so Don
[5:13] is that something we can just amend? Do
[5:16] you want um do you need a
[5:19] >> We can make that addition. That's
[5:20] » We can make that addition. That's
[5:20] >> We can make it that addition. Okay.
[5:23] » We can make it that addition. Okay.
[5:23] >> Or that correction amendment. Okay. And
[5:24] » Or that correction amendment. Okay. And
[5:24] before we route them to you for final
[5:26] signature.
[5:27] >> Okay. Does anyone is anyone in
[5:29] » Okay. Does anyone is anyone in
[5:29] opposition of making the adjustment to
[5:32] for um consistency in language.
[5:36] Okay. So,
[5:39] okay. Let me go back to the main page.
[5:41] So, we have an open motion. So to
[5:44] approve the December 16th, 2025 minutes
[5:49] with the um clarification in board
[5:53] appointments.
[5:55] Um
[5:57] so Mayor Prom, do you
[5:59] >> I'm fine with that.
[6:00] » I'm fine with that.
[6:00] >> Okay. Okay. So let's go ahead and vote
[6:03] » Okay. Okay. So let's go ahead and vote
[6:03] on the motion with the changes.
[6:09] >> We do. We have the options. options.
[6:13] » We're not supposed to have all those
[6:15] options. [laughter]
[6:19] » Okay. So, um the minutes have been
[6:22] approved. They carry um unanimously.
[6:26] >> Okay. I see Alex's name on there, but
[6:29] » Okay. I see Alex's name on there, but
[6:29] not yet.
[6:31] Okay.
[6:34] So now we are on to agenda re um
[6:36] revisions, submissions of documents and
[6:38] motions to direct city manager to add
[6:41] future agenda items. Um do we have any
[6:45] are there any agenda revisions or
[6:48] motions to
[6:51] um for future agenda items? Council
[6:54] member
[6:56] Marcen.
[6:57] >> Thank you, Mayor. I move that we direct
[6:58] » Thank you, Mayor. I move that we direct
[6:58] the city manager to place on the agenda
[7:00] for the February 3rd study session an
[7:03] item to review and discuss rule 27
[7:06] sections F through M of the city council
[7:09] rules of procedure related to board and
[7:12] commission appointments prior to the
[7:15] next board and commission recruitment
[7:16] cycle.
[7:17] >> Seconded.
[7:19] » Seconded.
[7:19] >> Okay. So um the motion has been made by
[7:23] » Okay. So um the motion has been made by
[7:23] council member Marcen, seconded by
[7:25] council member McCoy. Um, so we Oops, I
[7:28] accidentally turned you off. It um, so I
[7:31] was going to ask if we had any
[7:32] discussion. Council member Popkin.
[7:35] >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you,
[7:36] » Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you,
[7:36] uh, Council Member Marcos. Just for, uh,
[7:38] those of us who don't have the rules and
[7:40] procedures up in front of us and for the
[7:42] members of the public here, could you
[7:43] just elaborate on what those specific
[7:44] rules refer to? Yeah, essentially rule
[7:46] 27 was a rule added, my understanding
[7:48] mayor would have the history better
[7:50] around 2019 2020 that reestablished a
[7:52] new process for how board and
[7:54] commissions were to be appointed, for
[7:56] how members were to be appointed. It
[7:57] essentially empowered boards to have a
[7:59] significant say in in that overall
[8:02] process. Sections F through M
[8:03] specifically speaks to how that is to
[8:05] happen. Boards will interview
[8:07] candidates, recommend candidates, etc.,
[8:09] etc. I'm not necessarily tonight
[8:11] commenting on the substance of of you
[8:13] know what the conversation is. I'm
[8:15] saying we need to have that conversation
[8:16] about whether that specific section of
[8:19] our rules of procedure and how the board
[8:20] appointment process currently works is
[8:23] still working for us as a council. And
[8:25] that's and and to do that before we open
[8:27] up the process again.
[8:29] >> Uh thank you council member Russ. And
[8:30] » Uh thank you council member Russ. And
[8:30] then the other question I had uh I think
[8:32] maybe this is for the mayor. Um, do we
[8:34] have any study session yet planned where
[8:36] we're talking about kind of uh council's
[8:39] expectation like process and
[8:41] expectations for what we desire from uh
[8:44] proactively from our boards and
[8:45] commissions yet? I know that topic came
[8:47] up a little bit the end of last year and
[8:48] so I'm just curious if that's scheduled
[8:50] yet. So I had during the last discussion
[8:53] asked to be put on a future agenda a
[8:55] discussion on our liaison
[8:57] >> but I'm almost wondering and we'll we'll
[8:59] » but I'm almost wondering and we'll we'll
[8:59] once we discuss around retreat that
[9:02] might be a better conversation for the
[9:04] retreat since it's not
[9:06] >> actually it might not be changing langu
[9:09] » actually it might not be changing langu
[9:09] it's not going to be changing language
[9:10] on our rules of procedure it's just how
[9:12] we conduct ourselves and we're all on
[9:14] the same page for liaison you know our
[9:17] conduct as liaison Um, so I I feel like
[9:22] those are two separate conversations
[9:25] even though they're related to advisory
[9:26] boards.
[9:27] >> Oh, that's fine. I was just curious if
[9:28] » Oh, that's fine. I was just curious if
[9:28] that was
[9:28] >> so that Yeah, I don't I don't want to
[9:30] » so that Yeah, I don't I don't want to
[9:30] interweave those two together. Um, so
[9:33] yeah. So I hope that answers that.
[9:34] >> It does. Thank you.
[9:35] » It does. Thank you.
[9:35] >> Very good. Okay. Do we have any other
[9:38] » Very good. Okay. Do we have any other
[9:38] Okay.
[9:39] >> Okay. So if we don't have any other
[9:42] » Okay. So if we don't have any other
[9:42] discussion on the matter, let's go ahead
[9:44] and vote.
[9:53] Okay. And the um motion carries
[9:55] unanimously to add to a February 3rd
[9:58] study session item um to discuss rule 27
[10:02] of our council rules and procedures.
[10:06] Okay. So now we are on to Oh, unless we
[10:09] have Oh, yeah. You too. There you go.
[10:12] Thank you. Um Council Member Christ.
[10:16] Thank you, mayor. I move that we also
[10:20] bring back on February 3rd study session
[10:22] a discussion about our city flag and
[10:26] installing a new flag pole at the civic
[10:29] center.
[10:32] » Seconded.
[10:33] >> Thank you. Okay. So, the motion to um
[10:36] » Thank you. Okay. So, the motion to um
[10:36] discuss our city flag and
[10:38] >> was the other and a flag pole um in
[10:41] » was the other and a flag pole um in
[10:41] front of our civic center was made by
[10:43] council member Chris, seconded by
[10:45] council member McCoy. Do we have any
[10:46] discussion on the matter? Um council
[10:49] member Marcy.
[10:51] >> Thank you, mayor. Just a quick question.
[10:52] » Thank you, mayor. Just a quick question.
[10:52] And council member Christ, is your hope
[10:53] with the motion and the discussion to
[10:56] discuss the appearance of the flag, the
[10:59] contents of the flag, or just hanging
[11:01] the current city flag in its own space
[11:04] in front of the the in front of on a new
[11:06] flag pole? Like what is the intent? Is
[11:08] it a broader conversation about the flag
[11:10] or just about placement? Because we've
[11:12] had members of the public come forward
[11:13] and comment about the flag. So, I'm
[11:15] looking to just wonder what the scope
[11:16] you're looking for here is.
[11:20] >> Well, thank you, Council Marzy.
[11:22] » Well, thank you, Council Marzy.
[11:22] Uh first of all, I think we should fly
[11:25] the flag that we have, you know, with
[11:26] pride and uh we have it second to the uh
[11:30] Colorado flag at the at this time. Would
[11:33] be nice to have its own flag pole, but
[11:35] secondarily, this is also our America
[11:38] 250, Colorado 150 celebration year. And
[11:41] I realize that our flag is about 52
[11:44] years old. And maybe this is a good time
[11:47] to reconsider and come up with a
[11:49] commemorate commemorative flag perhaps
[11:52] to to mark our 150th and 250th
[11:56] anniversary and um other members of the
[12:00] public has have discussed this with our
[12:01] staff and it seems like there would be
[12:04] some expense to putting in a new flag
[12:06] pole. uh one of the national initiatives
[12:09] is to create service uh year of service
[12:13] for America 250. And so I would just
[12:15] like to have a discussion on February
[12:17] 3rd about what do we need to do to have
[12:20] that happen so that we can take it
[12:22] forward to the public, find funding for
[12:24] it if there is um interest in it and um
[12:28] can make it happen.
[12:30] >> So clarification on the it. So, I heard
[12:33] » So clarification on the it. So, I heard
[12:33] you say um it So, are you referring to
[12:36] the flag pole for public input on the
[12:39] flag pole or public input on redesigning
[12:42] the flag?
[12:43] >> Both would have some expense. So, it' be
[12:45] » Both would have some expense. So, it' be
[12:45] nice to know how much for each
[12:47] >> for each. Okay.
[12:48] » for each. Okay.
[12:48] >> And then see if we can get participation
[12:50] » And then see if we can get participation
[12:50] to do one or both.
[12:53] >> Okay. Um so, we're not making up our
[12:56] » Okay. Um so, we're not making up our
[12:56] mind tonight. It would just be voting to
[12:58] to put this on a future study session
[13:00] item. Um, are there any other questions?
[13:05] Okay. So, let's go ahead and vote.
[13:16] Okay. So, that carries. Um, the motion
[13:18] carries. Um, five to one with council
[13:21] member Marcine in descent.
[13:25] >> Oh, okay. Well, we can bring it forward
[13:27] » Oh, okay. Well, we can bring it forward
[13:27] to discuss and then you could say I love
[13:29] the current flag. Don't change it. So,
[13:32] [laughter]
[13:33] okay. So, um, now we're on to the city
[13:36] manager's report. Does the city manager
[13:38] have a report?
[13:38] >> No report, mayor, council.
[13:40] » No report, mayor, council.
[13:40] >> Okay. Thank you. We are now on to
[13:42] » Okay. Thank you. We are now on to
[13:42] special reports and presentations. Um,
[13:45] so we are now at item A, the
[13:47] administration of oath of office to city
[13:49] council member Ward 3 after election by
[13:52] acclamation. Um, I'm inviting our city
[13:55] clerk, Don Kintana, to administer oath
[13:58] of office to council member Kulkoffer.
[14:01] And I hope I said it correct.
[14:11] » Test test.
[14:20] Extend.
[14:26] » I'm gonna have you hold the microphone.
[14:27] >> What if I drop it?
[14:28] » What if I drop it?
[14:28] >> In your left hand.
[14:30] » In your left hand.
[14:30] >> Raise your right hand.
[14:32] » Raise your right hand.
[14:32] >> Repeat after me. I state your name.
[14:34] » Repeat after me. I state your name.
[14:34] >> I, Alexander Caloffer,
[14:36] » I, Alexander Caloffer,
[14:36] >> do solemnly swear. do solemnly swear
[14:38] » do solemnly swear. do solemnly swear
[14:38] >> that I will support the Constitution of
[14:39] » that I will support the Constitution of
[14:39] the United States
[14:40] >> that I will support the Constitution of
[14:42] » that I will support the Constitution of
[14:42] the United States
[14:42] >> the Constitution of the State of
[14:44] » the Constitution of the State of
[14:44] Colorado
[14:44] >> the Constitution of the State of
[14:45] » the Constitution of the State of
[14:45] Colorado
[14:46] >> the laws of the State of Colorado
[14:47] » the laws of the State of Colorado
[14:48] >> the laws of the state of Colorado
[14:49] » the laws of the state of Colorado
[14:49] >> and the charter and ordinances of the
[14:51] » and the charter and ordinances of the
[14:51] city of Longmont
[14:51] >> and the charter and ordinance of the
[14:53] » and the charter and ordinance of the
[14:53] city of Longmont
[14:54] >> and that I will faithfully perform the
[14:55] » and that I will faithfully perform the
[14:55] duties
[14:56] >> and I will faithfully perform the duties
[14:58] » and I will faithfully perform the duties
[14:58] >> of the office of council member W three
[15:00] » of the office of council member W three
[15:00] >> of the office of council member W three
[15:03] » of the office of council member W three
[15:03] >> upon which I'm about to enter
[15:05] » upon which I'm about to enter
[15:05] >> abouton which
[15:07] » abouton which
[15:07] >> upon which I'm about to enter.
[15:09] » upon which I'm about to enter.
[15:09] >> To the best of my ability
[15:10] » To the best of my ability
[15:10] >> to the best of my ability,
[15:11] » to the best of my ability,
[15:11] >> you are now sworn in. Congratulations.
[15:13] » you are now sworn in. Congratulations.
[15:13] >> Thank you. [applause]
[15:18] [applause]
[15:20] >> If you would just
[15:47] Okay, welcome to the fray. [laughter]
[15:57] Okay. So, we are now at item B, a
[15:59] proclamation designating January 12th
[16:02] through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.
[16:05] Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Week in
[16:07] Longmont, Colorado. So, I would like to
[16:09] invite the members of the MLK planning
[16:12] committee to accept the um um
[16:15] proclamation. But let me before we
[16:16] begin, I'm going to go ahead and read
[16:18] the proclamation. So we have here a
[16:21] proclamation designating January 12th
[16:24] through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.
[16:27] Martin Luther King Jr. week in Longmont,
[16:29] Colorado. Whereas January 19th, 2026
[16:33] marks Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday
[16:37] on which uh we honor Dr. King's
[16:40] unwavering fight for the absence of
[16:42] oppression and the presence of
[16:45] opportunity for all who sacrificed to
[16:47] sew the seeds for a movement of peace,
[16:50] equality, and justice. And whereas
[16:53] across the nation, in the state of
[16:55] Colorado, and in the city of Longmont,
[16:57] honoring Dr. King has become a week of
[16:59] service within our communities. Events
[17:01] held throughout Boulder County are made
[17:04] possible by the commitment and
[17:05] dedication of volunteers from diverse
[17:07] backgrounds. hand. Whereas the combined
[17:10] efforts of those volunteers are a
[17:13] fulfillment of Dr. King's dream and
[17:15] highlight the importance of the civil
[17:17] rights movement and the need to act. And
[17:20] whereas Mr. Robert Trey Morris III
[17:24] through his commitment to Longmont youth
[17:26] and families has given many years of
[17:28] steadfast support to Martin Luther King
[17:31] Jr. programming and values throughout
[17:34] the community. Now therefore, I, Susie
[17:36] Algo Farering, mayor, by virtue of the
[17:39] authority vested in me and the city
[17:41] council of the city of Longmont, do
[17:42] hereby proclaim the week of January 12th
[17:45] through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.
[17:48] Martin Luther King Jr. week in Longmont
[17:51] and invite all to attend this exciting
[17:53] program honoring Dr. King. Thank you.
[17:57] So, would um the members of the
[17:59] committee like to
[18:01] come on up and speak? Right.
[18:26] » There we go.
[18:27] >> I'll figure it out eventually.
[18:29] » I'll figure it out eventually.
[18:29] >> [clears throat]
[18:30] » [clears throat]
[18:30] >> Uh first I would like to uh take this
[18:33] » Uh first I would like to uh take this
[18:33] opportunity. I have not spoken before
[18:34] the council since the last election. I
[18:36] want to take the opportunity to issue
[18:38] congratulations to uh those of you who
[18:40] have won uh new elections to Mayor Susie
[18:43] Dogo Ferry. Uh we certainly uh
[18:47] appreciate you and your leadership. Um,
[18:50] one thing that I that I did want to say
[18:52] specifically about the event, it'll be
[18:54] happening on the um on the 16th of this
[18:58] week, on the 16th of this March, which
[19:00] is Friday of this week at Silver Creek
[19:02] High School at 5:30. Uh, there will be
[19:05] refreshments to be had. And this year's
[19:07] program, we decided to focus on uh a
[19:10] letter from a Birmingham jail. If you
[19:12] have not uh read that, I would highly
[19:15] recommend you do. Uh it when you start
[19:18] reading it, it feels like it was written
[19:19] yesterday. Um to that I would like to uh
[19:25] I find that if we have trouble for if we
[19:28] have trouble finding the words, it's
[19:30] most wise to look at the words of the
[19:32] people who have come before us. Um so as
[19:36] far as I know there are there are a lot
[19:37] of people who are nervous around the
[19:40] amount of uh protests that have popped
[19:42] up around the United States and things
[19:44] of that nature. Um, so I I would like to
[19:46] read an excerpt from the letter from
[19:48] Birmingham jail if you will allow me.
[19:50] Um, you may well ask why direct action?
[19:54] Why sitins, marches, and so forth? Isn't
[19:56] negotiation a better path? You were
[19:58] quite right in calling for negotiation.
[20:01] Indeed, this is the very purpose of
[20:02] direct action. Non-violent direct action
[20:05] seeks to create such a crisis and foster
[20:07] such a tension that a community which
[20:09] has constantly refused to negotiate is
[20:12] forced to confront this issue. It seeks
[20:14] to so dramatize the issue that it can no
[20:17] longer be ignored. My citing the
[20:19] creation of tension as part of the work
[20:21] of nonviolent resistor may sound rather
[20:24] shocking, but I must confess that I am
[20:26] not afraid of the word tension. I have
[20:28] earnestly opposed violent tension, but
[20:30] there is a type of constructive
[20:32] nonviolent tension which is necessary
[20:34] for growth. And to that I would say to
[20:37] those who are nervous about the
[20:39] non-violent protest you've seen pop up
[20:42] um in the in honor of Dr. King, we
[20:44] should embrace that tension. We should
[20:47] push it because it will push for
[20:49] conversations with folks who refuse to
[20:51] have those. Um once again, I uh thank
[20:55] you very much for uh for the
[20:58] proclamation. I appreciate it and I hope
[21:00] to continue to work with you all in the
[21:02] future. Thank you.
[21:03] >> Great. Thank you.
[21:08] » [applause]
[21:11] » Good evening once again. My 47th year
[21:14] here in this town. Uh my name is I'm
[21:18] called Minister Glenda Strong Robinson
[21:22] and uh I'm a 40 going on a 47th year
[21:25] resident of Longmont. Um some of you may
[21:29] know, some of you may not. I was in that
[21:33] march with Dr. King, his very last march
[21:36] on March 28th, 1968.
[21:39] And actually, I have a picture. I was
[21:42] looking at it uh with Trey this week.
[21:47] And in that last march,
[21:51] there were National Guardsmen,
[21:53] there were police officers, dogs,
[21:57] uh fire trucks with water hoses all
[22:00] around us.
[22:02] We're back there. We're back there
[22:05] today. And uh will we survive it? You
[22:08] bet we will. But we can't do it unless
[22:11] we do it together. And so, um, this just
[22:16] it it just triggers so many things. I
[22:18] see Arkansas is here. He and I share a
[22:21] passion for that time that we were
[22:25] freedom isn't free, folks. Somebody died
[22:28] for all of us, red, yellow, brown,
[22:31] black, white, to be sitting in the
[22:34] spaces that we're sitting in now. Sorry,
[22:36] I'm a preacher at my church, Second
[22:39] Baptist in Boulder. I won't preach to
[22:42] you, but I just want you to know freedom
[22:45] isn't free. And every one of us here has
[22:49] a voice that we can contribute. There is
[22:52] something we can do. First thing we can
[22:55] do is show up. Anyhow, I better stop.
[22:58] Thank you very much. Thank you.
[23:02] [applause]
[23:04] » Would you all do was anyone else want to
[23:06] come forward and speak? Okay. Okay.
[23:09] Would you all like a picture?
[23:11] Yes.
[23:12] >> Take the picture. Come on.
[25:32] Okay, we are now at first call. Um
[25:35] public invited to be heard. And um I'm
[25:37] actually going to start by calling three
[25:39] names first. So the speaker and then the
[25:42] two other folks can just be ready to be
[25:45] ready to go. Mayor, could I chime in? I
[25:47] apologize. We are having a
[25:49] >> live stream issue.
[25:51] » live stream issue.
[25:51] >> Okay. Wonder if you're welcome to keep
[25:54] » Okay. Wonder if you're welcome to keep
[25:54] going but the live stream is not
[25:56] functioning 100%.
[25:58] >> Okay. Um do you want
[25:59] » Okay. Um do you want
[25:59] >> we will need to pause for a we're
[26:01] » we will need to pause for a we're
[26:01] waiting for some tech help. Sergio's on
[26:03] his way.
[26:04] >> Okay. Okay. So this is um is it's not in
[26:07] » Okay. Okay. So this is um is it's not in
[26:07] house. It's LPM issue. Is that so there
[26:11] >> I'm not sure where the issue is 100%.
[26:13] » I'm not sure where the issue is 100%.
[26:13] >> So I'm wondering if we should take a
[26:15] » So I'm wondering if we should take a
[26:15] break.
[26:17] >> Harold seems to think that might not be
[26:19] » Harold seems to think that might not be
[26:19] a terrible idea. Okay.
[26:20] >> Well, I think if we know Sergio's on his
[26:22] » Well, I think if we know Sergio's on his
[26:22] way.
[26:23] >> Yeah.
[26:24] » Yeah.
[26:24] >> If you want to move.
[26:24] » If you want to move.
[26:24] >> Is he coming? Oh,
[26:26] » Is he coming? Oh,
[26:26] >> are we good now?
[26:27] » are we good now?
[26:27] >> Okay.
[26:28] » Okay.
[26:28] >> We're good. All right. All right. Never
[26:29] » We're good. All right. All right. Never
[26:29] mind.
[26:29] >> Okay. Well, take your
[26:30] » Okay. Well, take your
[26:30] >> car to the mechanic.
[26:31] » car to the mechanic.
[26:31] >> Okay. Thanks. [laughter]
[26:34] » Okay. Thanks. [laughter]
[26:34] Um, so the first name on the list is
[26:36] Pavll Ivanova.
[26:39] And I'm going to go ahead and Tom Smith
[26:41] and Lance Whitaker. If you two want to
[26:43] be ready to
[26:46] come on up next and you may turn on your
[26:50] mic and if you could restate your name
[26:52] please.
[26:53] >> Yes. Good evening. My name is P Levanov.
[26:58] » Hi and uh happy new year. Um haven't
[27:00] seen you for a while. Um council. Today
[27:02] I would like to read an email by the CEO
[27:04] of Lock Safety to apparently all police
[27:07] department chiefs they work with and at
[27:08] least the VA Stanton Police Department
[27:11] team.
[27:12] Um
[27:14] the email reads, I'm writing to you
[27:17] directly because I want there to be zero
[27:19] confusion about what's happening. Flock
[27:21] has never been hacked ever. Flock is a
[27:23] building tools to help you fight the
[27:25] real crime affecting communities across
[27:27] the country. Many activists don't like
[27:29] that. Let's call this what it is. Flock
[27:31] and the law enforcement agencies we
[27:33] partner with are undercoordinated
[27:35] attack. The attacks aren't new. You've
[27:37] been dealing with this forever. And
[27:39] we've been dealing with this since our
[27:41] founding from the same activist groups
[27:43] who want to defund the police, weaken
[27:44] public safety, and normalize loness
[27:46] lawlessness. Now they're producing
[27:48] YouTube videos with misleading
[27:50] headlines. They're also trying to turn a
[27:52] public records process into a weapon
[27:54] against you and against us.
[27:58] >> [gasps]
[27:59] » [gasps]
[27:59] >> I don't think we're a tech and flock. I
[28:02] » I don't think we're a tech and flock. I
[28:02] also don't think that proposing civil
[28:03] discussion in a lawful and timely manner
[28:06] in front of police department and
[28:07] elected council is bad. I think that all
[28:12] residents of Lment are insanely grateful
[28:14] to have you and being able to see actual
[28:16] change. It's it's always good. I also
[28:19] wanted to touch upon the point of
[28:21] weaponizing public records. I do want to
[28:24] give some the guys some points here. I
[28:26] agree that people should not be able to
[28:28] subpoena or request footage and
[28:30] information from a system with such an
[28:32] insanely broad and indiscriminate data
[28:34] of citizens. I think however he wouldn't
[28:36] agree with my reasons for and similar
[28:39] requests have existed decades before
[28:41] flock came to life. In fact, the CEO was
[28:44] born after was requested. It is a very
[28:46] important tool that allows citizens to
[28:48] support the systems of check checks and
[28:50] balances. It is not a weapon against
[28:52] council members or the police, but it
[28:54] does allow us to spot out the possible
[28:56] bad apples. And I think in that case,
[28:58] Flock and similar indiscriminate
[29:00] automatic tracking tools is the bad
[29:02] apple. And after all, if Flock didn't
[29:05] want to be subjected to for risks, it
[29:07] shouldn't have signed contracts with
[29:08] public tax funded government. That is
[29:12] all. Thank you, council.
[29:13] >> Thank you. Okay, Tom Smith.
[29:33] Good evening. My name is Tom Smith. I
[29:35] live at 1049 Champion Circle. I rather
[29:39] than congratulate all of you in election
[29:41] time, I'd say thank you more so than for
[29:45] serving and willingness to participate.
[29:48] I think that's very important.
[29:50] I have uh a letter I've drafted that is
[29:54] I've addressed to the mayor, city
[29:56] council, and my purpose is twofold.
[30:00] Tonight, for the last 3 years or so,
[30:03] I've been entrenched in learning about
[30:09] annexation, development, city codes,
[30:11] building yada yada. And two things that
[30:15] come from this that um I need to share
[30:18] is we got a lot of nice help from a lot
[30:20] of good staff people,
[30:23] not to mention the Texas Tech Red
[30:25] Raiders going down tubes. Um
[30:30] the uh two things that I'd like to share
[30:32] with you are two requests, but these are
[30:35] mine and these are based on the
[30:37] education that the city provided me. I'd
[30:40] say number one is that the document
[30:44] known as Envision Longmont be suspended
[30:47] immediately and until such time it is
[30:50] modified, updated, or discarded.
[30:53] Secondly, I'd ask that my subdivision be
[30:57] returned to single family zoning. And to
[31:00] summarize and give you some insight to
[31:02] some of this, I have prepared and I will
[31:05] leave with the city clerk a variety of
[31:09] documents.
[31:10] This one you might recognize comes from
[31:14] Envision Longmont and Mr. Penland and
[31:17] one of his staff gave me some insight to
[31:20] it and I'm sorry but it doesn't have the
[31:23] kind of support and validity that I
[31:26] think the Longmont people deserve. as
[31:28] well as there are contradictions in it
[31:31] in envision Armont that contradict the
[31:35] ninth edition of the planners guide that
[31:37] was edited by one of the same people
[31:40] from Clarion who had a hand in envision
[31:43] logbot. I also was able to uh do
[31:48] something fairly straightforward.
[31:51] I find a lot of language in it ambiguous
[31:54] and there are a lot of uh wiggle room
[31:56] things. I ran the spelling, excuse me,
[31:59] the reading test on it. Take a shot at
[32:02] what reading level it is,
[32:06] 14th grade.
[32:08] And couple of teachers here might know
[32:10] that that's not close to the average
[32:12] reading level for the American public.
[32:16] And then uh with my subdivision, there
[32:19] were a number of uh issues that were
[32:23] done either incorrectly or with bad
[32:26] information.
[32:28] And I'll give these documents to the
[32:30] city clerk. Thank you.
[32:32] >> Thank you, Tom. Um Lance Whitaker.
[32:38] » And excuse me, my wife is ill and I'm
[32:40] going to go home and be a husband.
[32:41] >> Yep. Take care of her. Thank you. Um
[32:45] » Yep. Take care of her. Thank you. Um
[32:45] Okay. And then following Lance, uh,
[32:47] Matthew Spencer and then Madlin Strong
[32:49] Woodley.
[32:57] » Hi, Mayor and Council. My name is Lance
[32:59] Whitaker. Um,
[33:02] sorry, I'm sort of working off
[33:05] a media I'm not used to. I lost my list.
[33:09] Uh, Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street,
[33:12] Longmont, Colorado. I've been a resident
[33:14] for about 44 years. Uh, I'd like to
[33:17] mention today is National
[33:20] Shop for Travel Day, National
[33:23] KoreanAmerican Day, National Sticker
[33:27] Day. Uh, we got enough of those all over
[33:29] town.
[33:31] Uh, National Steven Foster Memorial Day,
[33:35] National Peach Melba Day. I love Peach
[33:38] Melba. and also National Rubber Ducky
[33:42] Day. And if you got a Jeep, you probably
[33:45] got several of those on your dashboard.
[33:47] So, um it is also, uh
[33:53] Mickey Mouse's first comic strip came
[33:55] out today. Um and that's all I have
[33:58] today. Thank you. Have a nice day.
[34:01] >> Great. Thank you. U Matthew Spencer,
[34:04] » Great. Thank you. U Matthew Spencer,
[34:04] >> is there a way to display an image?
[34:11] Don, can they display an image?
[34:14] >> Um, we request that they're sent ahead
[34:16] » Um, we request that they're sent ahead
[34:16] of time. Oh,
[34:17] >> okay. The office said to bring it and
[34:18] » okay. The office said to bring it and
[34:18] put it like in the moment.
[34:20] >> If you send it to us, I can send it to
[34:21] » If you send it to us, I can send it to
[34:21] them.
[34:23] >> We can send it to them. You send it to
[34:24] » We can send it to them. You send it to
[34:24] >> Okay, great.
[34:31] » No. Oh, there you go. You
[34:32] >> Good evening, Longland City Council. My
[34:34] » Good evening, Longland City Council. My
[34:34] name is Matthew Spencer. I'm the
[34:35] associate pastor at Christ Church
[34:37] International on Main Street.
[34:39] >> Sorry.
[34:40] » Sorry.
[34:40] >> Oh, yeah. Thank you. On Main Street,
[34:43] » Oh, yeah. Thank you. On Main Street,
[34:43] right across the street from the pump
[34:45] house and the Chamber of Commerce
[34:46] building. I'm also this year as of today
[34:48] the new chair of the Ambassadors
[34:50] Committee representing the Longmont Area
[34:51] Chamber of Commerce to new businesses.
[34:54] So, uh anyone in uh want to join the
[34:56] chamber, you're welcome to. Um I'm here
[34:58] today to talk about the official
[34:59] Longmont City flag. For years, it uh
[35:02] bothered me that very few few people
[35:04] even knew that Longmont has an official
[35:06] city flag. Furthermore, it bothered me
[35:09] that the civic center itself wasn't even
[35:11] flying our official flag. A while back,
[35:14] I reached out to you, the council, and
[35:15] the city manager by email about this
[35:17] issue, and I'd like to thank assistant
[35:19] city manager Sandy for getting the flag
[35:21] flying again last year underneath the
[35:23] Colorado flag. But I'd also like to
[35:26] continue this by initiating and
[35:28] catalyzing two things this year as the
[35:30] celebrations take place around America
[35:32] and Colorado to mark our 250th
[35:35] anniversary as a nation and our 150th
[35:38] year as a state. Number one, I'd like to
[35:41] see and I'm super thrilled to hear Diane
[35:43] Christ uh a permanent third flag pole to
[35:46] be installed right here outside our
[35:47] civic center to fly our official
[35:49] Longmont flag. I feel that if we don't
[35:51] have a designated flag pole to celebrate
[35:53] our city, it could very easily
[35:55] accidentally not be flown again and then
[35:57] once again disregarded for years to
[35:59] come. And I'm also noticing I don't see
[36:01] a flag in this room, which would be
[36:03] great. Um, secondly, so I think we need
[36:06] to celebrate our heritage and have, you
[36:07] know, we need to fly the flag we have.
[36:09] That's where we need to start. Right
[36:10] there. Right on.
[36:13] >> Thank you. Secondly, I'd also like to I
[36:15] » Thank you. Secondly, I'd also like to I
[36:15] would like to uh I want to ask the
[36:16] council to begin the process uh and
[36:18] swift execution of I would like to see a
[36:20] new Longmont flag for the future as our
[36:23] city becomes a major competitive player
[36:25] in the county and the state. While we
[36:28] should celebrate the legacy of the old
[36:29] flag, it is a bit of a headscratcher.
[36:32] It doesn't um it doesn't really
[36:34] represent our city very well. A new
[36:36] better flag will help unite us, help
[36:38] people have a sense of identity and
[36:40] inclusivity. The flag should be very
[36:42] simple, beautiful, uh, easily
[36:44] identifiable. I think that the Twin
[36:46] Peaks should should definitely be on it.
[36:48] That will help clearly symbolize our
[36:50] city and people group. I think, uh, a
[36:54] Colorado color scheme would be great.
[36:57] I've brought two images that hopefully
[36:58] you can all see. I don't know if they're
[37:00] up yet. Um, so let's celebrate Longmont
[37:02] with a new flag. Um,
[37:05] >> there's a story behind it.
[37:06] » there's a story behind it.
[37:06] >> Okay, great. So, I had my friend Chat
[37:08] » Okay, great. So, I had my friend Chat
[37:08] helped render
[37:11] uh what a third flag pole would look
[37:12] like out here. And Sandy says it cost
[37:14] $7,000.
[37:16] >> So, I'd love I'd love to see the city
[37:17] » So, I'd love I'd love to see the city
[37:17] get it done. I've already talked to uh
[37:20] the Rosary or not the Rotary
[37:23] >> Rotary Club
[37:25] » Rotary Club
[37:25] >> and um and also uh Kowanas Club. So, I'd
[37:29] » and um and also uh Kowanas Club. So, I'd
[37:29] like to see that happen somehow. I know
[37:30] there's a way to get it up there because
[37:32] I think we need to celebrate, you know,
[37:34] the big thing is celebrate Longmont. Um,
[37:37] and I designed a flag I'm wearing here
[37:39] on the hat and I I called this the
[37:42] celebrate Longmont flag and the idea is
[37:43] to celebrate Longmont. Let's fly a flag.
[37:46] [laughter]
[37:47] >> So, thank you all. Thank you so much for
[37:49] » So, thank you all. Thank you so much for
[37:49] what you what you do. We pray for you
[37:50] guys.
[37:50] >> Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Um, Meline
[37:55] » Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Um, Meline
[37:55] >> and then following uh Meline, we have
[37:58] » and then following uh Meline, we have
[37:58] Strider and then Paul
[38:02] Stalls.
[38:04] >> Good evening everyone. It is so good to
[38:07] » Good evening everyone. It is so good to
[38:07] see you guys. Happy New Year. Happy
[38:09] 2026.
[38:11] I uh want to just share with you that in
[38:14] addition to the Martin Luther King
[38:17] celebrations that are phenomenal,
[38:20] uh I'm would love to see everyone there,
[38:24] uh that's January the 16th and the 18th.
[38:27] And in addition to that, I wanted to
[38:29] also uh make you aware that uh in the
[38:34] with the dissolution of the NAACP
[38:36] Boulder County branch, our organization,
[38:40] the Executive Committee for
[38:43] African-American Cultural Events is uh
[38:47] EASE is the short version [laughter]
[38:50] will be uh making sure that nothing goes
[38:54] lacking in terms of the services that we
[38:57] delivered in collaboration with the
[39:00] NAACP.
[39:02] And uh there will be a formal
[39:04] announcement coming out. You'll get uh
[39:06] the press release is going out tomorrow
[39:08] morning and I will make sure that it
[39:11] gets here so you can spread the word.
[39:13] Nothing will go undone.
[39:17] We're here. That's ECASE Executive
[39:19] Committee for African-American Cultural
[39:21] Events. Ecase
[39:23] ecase.org for any other information. And
[39:26] thank you so much for your usual
[39:28] support.
[39:30] >> Thank you.
[39:31] » Thank you.
[39:31] >> Thank you. Okay, Strider.
[39:51] Yeah. Um,
[39:53] got my whistle. Strider Benston 9517th.
[39:59] Um, my daughter lives in Minneapolis
[40:03] right near where they murdered George
[40:05] Floyd. So, uh, I haven't been able to
[40:08] reach her the last couple of days, but
[40:11] uh, [snorts] it's my shirt. Uh, um, uh,
[40:19] make Renee good trouble. Yeah. Um,
[40:24] some of y'all know that um
[40:29] my guide, my colleague, my friend Martin
[40:32] Luther King um he would have been 97
[40:37] years old in two days. Um I um um
[40:46] 61 years ago in January I walked to
[40:52] Selma in a freezing rain. It took me
[40:55] five days. I got to Selma and a bunch of
[40:59] kids gathered around me said what's your
[41:01] name? I said Jim. He said Jim where you
[41:06] from? I said Arkansas. Arkansas. your
[41:09] name Arkansas. So that's still my name
[41:13] in the movement. Everyone in the
[41:15] movement calls me Arkansas except for
[41:18] Stokeley Carmichael. He called me Jim
[41:21] because I met him before the movement.
[41:24] He's the one that recruited me into the
[41:27] movement. But I listened to Fanny Lou
[41:30] Hamer speak uh um on the boardwalk in
[41:33] Atlantic City. And um that's uh that's
[41:38] uh what brought me in. Um the people of
[41:42] Selma scheduled me on an airplane flight
[41:45] and a hotel room um this March, but the
[41:49] Boulder Elite blocked me from going. So
[41:53] I'm not supposed to be able to be there
[41:55] after 61 years uh in the movement. I
[41:59] walked in a freezing rain. But um I was
[42:03] organizer of rank and foul in the
[42:05] teamsters and and uh the mail handlers
[42:10] unions. And um um one just one thing I
[42:16] organized a demonstration at the tangers
[42:20] hall in Chicago in support of the farm
[42:23] workers union. Their agents were killing
[42:26] farm workers organizers at the time and
[42:30] stealing the contracts from the growers
[42:33] to to disc.
[42:37] Dolores
[42:39] created the union and Ella Baker
[42:42] basically created the civil rights
[42:44] movement. She organized both SNICK and
[42:48] SCLC. But history is illegal in this
[42:51] country and I'm a historian. [music] So
[42:54] that's why I'm not allowed to speak. Um,
[42:58] my book, If White Kids Die, might still
[43:02] be in the library. It's about one month
[43:04] of my life in 1965.
[43:07] >> Thank you, Strider. Thank you. Good.
[43:09] » Thank you, Strider. Thank you. Good.
[43:09] Okay. Um, no clapping, so keeping the
[43:12] orderly conduct of the meeting, but
[43:14] thank you. Um, Paul Stalls,
[43:23] » good evening.
[43:25] Okay, I just like to share some concerns
[43:28] over the management of Ute Creek Golf
[43:30] Course. I'll be the first to say this is
[43:31] not exactly a big problem and and seems
[43:34] petty compared to some of the other
[43:35] topics, but I just want to give you some
[43:36] feedback so you know what's going on. Um
[43:39] none of the issues are particularly
[43:40] earthshattering but I think in the uh
[43:42] accumulation uh they represent a decline
[43:45] in standards at a time when costs have
[43:47] increased dramatically. So I just want
[43:48] to bring it to your attention. Firstly
[43:50] this summer I noticed many of the ball
[43:52] wash stations I told you this was not on
[43:54] the same magnitude as the other topics
[43:56] had been had been removed. Um I asked
[43:59] management why and they said oh I asked
[44:01] staff why and they said oh the
[44:02] management doesn't like them. So I
[44:04] emailed Keith Martin. No reply. I
[44:06] followed up was introduced to Dan Ree uh
[44:08] on the second attempt golf course
[44:10] supervisor and received a reply removed
[44:13] due to cost to maintain and to reduce
[44:16] some of the clutter around the tea
[44:18] boxes. So I I I replied back saying
[44:22] clutter I don't understand what that is.
[44:24] What what are you talking about? And
[44:25] I've not since had a reply. These ball
[44:27] stations are about 250 bucks each. So a
[44:29] whole bunch of new ones have been put in
[44:31] at Twin Peaks. So but at UK Creek we're
[44:33] removing them. Uh secondly, um due to
[44:37] concerns about slow pay, you probably
[44:38] know if you're a golfer, you're limited
[44:40] to a maximum of four players. So um we
[44:43] the customers are expressly limited and
[44:45] stopped from playing as a group of five
[44:46] if you got an extra friend or anything.
[44:48] So one, uh but I've noticed frequently
[44:50] there are groups of five playing. I I
[44:52] didn't give my address, Sundance Drive.
[44:54] I oversee my I my house backs onto Uke.
[44:58] So I asked the staff, I said, you know,
[45:00] have you changed your policy? I noticed
[45:01] some fives playing. Like no, no, no. And
[45:03] I said, "What about the group yesterday
[45:04] morning?" "Oh, they're employees."
[45:05] "That's okay. They're employees."
[45:07] "Okay." Another time I was playing as a
[45:09] single. The group in four I caught up
[45:11] with in front of me and they turned
[45:12] around and said, "Do you want to play
[45:13] with me? Do you want to play with us?"
[45:15] Which is very nice. I said, "Well, no,
[45:17] I'm okay, but actually I can't. We're
[45:18] not supposed to play unless we're four's
[45:21] the max." And they said, "Oh, it's okay.
[45:23] We work here." was the reply. So, both
[45:25] examples show a culture of entitlement
[45:27] and hypocrisy and putting the employees
[45:29] desires ahead of the customers. Thirdly,
[45:32] in the summer, I saw a trench had been
[45:34] dug between the fifth and sixth holes,
[45:36] and it's filled with several thousand
[45:39] range balls. Got a picture of that here,
[45:42] too. This is just part of the trench.
[45:44] You can obviously look at your leisure.
[45:45] Um, so it's not covered. They just
[45:48] they're just dumped there. Um, you know,
[45:51] range balls don't compost as far as far
[45:53] as I'm aware. So, I don't know what the
[45:54] thinking was or why we're doing that. So
[45:57] in conclusion, uh the decline in
[45:59] standards seems to have happened at the
[46:01] same time as prices have gone from 40 to
[46:03] 50 for a round at the weekend to this
[46:05] weekend, one of the rounds on Saturday
[46:07] is $98. So over the last three years,
[46:10] prices have have doubled uh going up 10
[46:13] 15% a year cumulatively. Uh standards
[46:16] have dropped and uh I'm sharing this
[46:19] feedback in the hope that one of three
[46:21] things will happen. And at the very
[46:22] least, whoever Dan and Keith report to,
[46:25] let's give them this feedback and uh
[46:28] hopefully they take the feedback
[46:29] seriously. Even better, if there's a
[46:31] formal annual review process, this
[46:33] decline in standards is considered an
[46:35] inaluation and any merit increases. And
[46:37] thirdly,
[46:37] >> and that that is time. Can you send us
[46:39] » and that that is time. Can you send us
[46:40] an the email of that? Do you have
[46:41] >> I have the email as well. Oh, perfect.
[46:43] » I have the email as well. Oh, perfect.
[46:43] My final point would just if the
[46:45] >> I'm sorry, the time is up. So, I have to
[46:47] » I'm sorry, the time is up. So, I have to
[46:47] follow the rules. [laughter]
[46:48] >> All right. I think they're over
[46:50] » All right. I think they're over
[46:50] incentivized on profitability and
[46:51] services are dropping and they should be
[46:53] revisited.
[46:54] >> Okay. I don't want to disregard that. Um
[46:56] » Okay. I don't want to disregard that. Um
[46:56] but we are moving to the next person,
[46:58] Scott Stewart.
[47:01] >> Mayor, members of council, uh Scott
[47:02] » Mayor, members of council, uh Scott
[47:02] Stewart, 229 Grand Street. Um
[47:06] during your retreat conversation on 12C,
[47:10] um if you could please include uh try to
[47:13] include on the agenda, uh conversation
[47:15] around the airport. Um
[47:20] the impact that the airport that has on
[47:23] uh those of us on the ground is is a
[47:25] real one. Um the airport has some basic
[47:28] rules and regulations that uh don't get
[47:31] followed. There's a lack of
[47:32] communication when violations occur.
[47:35] There's a lack of uh any kind of written
[47:37] documentation of violations. Um incident
[47:40] reports are pretty much non-existent. Um
[47:48] there's
[47:50] the airports has has and I think you've
[47:52] done a a lease review um uh
[47:57] over the last couple of months, but uh
[47:59] the inconsistency in the application of
[48:02] the lease policies. Uh it's pretty
[48:06] pretty bad, pretty offensive to uh some
[48:09] people that are looking for 30-year
[48:10] leases that um probably shouldn't have
[48:13] got them and some people that wish to
[48:16] have them, what have you.
[48:19] The the idea that increased air traffic
[48:22] for the sake of increasing the number of
[48:24] operations is not a benefit to Longmont.
[48:27] We got a lot of flights here that don't
[48:29] spend any time in Longmont. They don't
[48:31] spend any time on the ground. they don't
[48:34] refuel here. They're just an increase in
[48:36] numbers. Um it's
[48:40] this airport can be better.
[48:43] Um
[48:45] review needs to be done of the financial
[48:47] obligations. There needs to be more
[48:49] financial transparency. Uh the
[48:51] information provided the to the public
[48:53] needs to be accurate. Um please take
[48:56] time review the airport. It can be
[48:58] better than what it is. Doesn't need to
[49:01] shut down. It's not going to shut down
[49:02] for 20 years, even if you wanted it to.
[49:04] But this airport needs to be run better
[49:07] so that
[49:10] everybody in Longmont is is not
[49:12] negatively affected by things that don't
[49:14] positively happen at the airport. Wow,
[49:17] that was a word mess. Have a good night.
[49:20] Oh, and uh happy rubber ducky day.
[49:23] >> Oh, thank you.
[49:25] » Oh, thank you.
[49:25] >> Okay. Uh, Jacob McCllum.
[49:34] Hello everybody. My name is Jacob
[49:36] McCllum. I'm here today. This is my
[49:38] first city council meeting ever and I'm
[49:39] here just because of a topic that's
[49:41] really important to me. I'm here to talk
[49:43] about the flock safety cameras that are
[49:45] around the city. Um, I think right now
[49:48] we're living in a time where government
[49:50] trust is at almost an all-time low. You
[49:52] know, I don't think it's controversial
[49:53] for me to say that. And I know as
[49:55] somebody who's 21 years old myself, that
[49:57] is absolutely the case among young
[49:58] people who are growing up in this city.
[50:00] And I think that the cameras everywhere
[50:03] are eroding trust with the government
[50:05] especially. And I think a local
[50:07] government is something that could
[50:09] really help improve this issue. You
[50:11] know, like ultimately surveillance is a
[50:14] form of control over people. If you're
[50:16] feeling watched, you're not going to
[50:17] behave the same way as you would when
[50:18] you don't feel watched, you know. So
[50:20] regardless of how much we trust the
[50:21] government, regardless of how much we
[50:22] trust the police, ultimately that is a
[50:24] problem that will erode trust with those
[50:26] people, you know, and it doesn't have to
[50:29] be abused. It doesn't have to be
[50:30] anything. It is like taking the bedroom
[50:32] door off of somebody's room, you know.
[50:35] Doesn't matter if anybody's going to
[50:36] abuse that. It is still a problem and we
[50:38] still need privacy, right? Any one of us
[50:40] who drive down 119 to go to work every
[50:42] day, that is being recorded somewhere.
[50:44] Our license plate is recorded. Our
[50:46] location is recorded. Exactly what time
[50:48] that is is recorded. If you go to work,
[50:51] when you leave is recorded and when you
[50:53] come back is recorded. And ultimately
[50:55] the safety policies around this data is
[50:58] not safe. And even if you believe that
[51:01] the government should be allowed to have
[51:02] that access to that data, ultimately
[51:04] that is not the only people who do have
[51:06] access to that data. And I do not trust
[51:08] any private actors with that
[51:09] information. That's it. I yield my time.
[51:11] Thank you guys.
[51:13] >> Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else on
[51:15] » Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else on
[51:15] the list, I will now close public
[51:17] invited to be heard. And we are now on
[51:20] to item nine, consent agenda and
[51:22] introduction and reading by title of
[51:24] first reading and ordinances. Um, city
[51:27] clerk, can you please read the consent
[51:29] agenda um into the record?
[51:32] >> Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading
[51:33] » Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading
[51:33] and public hearing for the ordinances
[51:35] introduced tonight on this consent
[51:37] agenda will be held on January 27th,
[51:39] 2026.
[51:41] Item 9A is ordinance 2026-01,
[51:44] a bill for an ordinance making
[51:45] additional appropriations for expenses
[51:47] and liabilities of the city of Longmont
[51:49] for the fiscal year beginning January
[51:51] 1st, 2026. Item 9B is ordinance 2026-02,
[51:56] a bill for an ordinance amending chapter
[51:57] 14.42 of the Longmont Municipal Code to
[52:00] reduce the size of the Art and Public
[52:02] Places Commission and modernize the Art
[52:04] and Public Places program. Item 9 C is
[52:07] resolution R-2026-01,
[52:10] a resolution of Longmont City Council
[52:11] approving the intergovernmental
[52:12] agreement between the city and the
[52:14] Colorado Department of Public Safety,
[52:15] Division of Criminal Justice, Office for
[52:18] Victims of Crime Act, VO VOCA, grant
[52:21] funding for Longmont Victim Services. 9D
[52:23] is resolution 2026-2,
[52:26] a resolution of the Longmont City
[52:27] Council concerning the electric vehicle
[52:29] charging systems permitting process.
[52:31] Item 9E is resolution 2026-03,
[52:35] a resolution of the Longmont City
[52:36] Council approving an amendment to the
[52:37] Intergovernmental Agreement between the
[52:39] city and the Boulder Regional Emergency
[52:41] Telephone Service Authority for public
[52:43] safety answering point funding. 9F is
[52:46] resolution 2026-04,
[52:48] a resolution of the Longmont City
[52:49] Council approving agreement between the
[52:51] city of Longmont and the Longmont Humane
[52:53] Society for Animal Welfare Services for
[52:55] 2026. and 9G is designate the city's
[52:58] website as the official posting location
[53:00] for city council agendas and mayor staff
[53:03] would like to remove item 9F from the
[53:06] consent agenda.
[53:08] >> Okay.
[53:10] » Okay.
[53:10] Okay. Are there any other items that
[53:13] council would like to remove? Council
[53:15] member Popkin.
[53:16] >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to remove
[53:17] » Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to remove
[53:17] item uh 9D.
[53:19] >> Okay.
[53:24] Okay. Um, so see no one else in the
[53:27] queue. Um, um, oh, you've turned off
[53:30] your mic. Is there anyone who would like
[53:32] to move the consent agenda? Minus D and
[53:34] F.
[53:35] >> I'll move that.
[53:35] » I'll move that.
[53:36] >> Um,
[53:37] » Um,
[53:37] >> second.
[53:37] » second.
[53:38] >> Okay. So, the, um, consent agenda uh,
[53:40] » Okay. So, the, um, consent agenda uh,
[53:40] minus um, items D and F um, has been
[53:44] moved by Mayor Prom McCoy and seconded
[53:47] by Council Member Popkin. Let's go ahead
[53:50] and vote.
[53:57] Okay. And that carries unanimously.
[54:04] Okay. There are no ordinances on second
[54:07] reading and public hearings on any
[54:09] matter. So we are now um back to items
[54:12] removed from the consent agenda.
[54:15] Um and we are we'll start we'll go ahead
[54:17] and start with item D.
[54:22] Council member Popkin.
[54:24] >> Yes. Thank you. Um I mostly just had one
[54:29] » Yes. Thank you. Um I mostly just had one
[54:29] question for staff and then just a
[54:31] comment overall. Um this this concerns
[54:35] the uh electric vehicle charging systems
[54:38] permitting process. Uh I just wanted to
[54:40] commend staff actually for being ahead
[54:43] of the state. Um sometimes the state
[54:45] forces mandates upon us. In this case,
[54:46] we wanted to proceed um with a certain
[54:49] permitting process. We have and from
[54:51] what I understand uh this has been kind
[54:53] of the administrative approval process
[54:55] and we are not as being asked to change
[54:58] that. We can continue to follow that
[55:00] process. Correct.
[55:02] >> Good evening Mayor Council Member uh
[55:05] » Good evening Mayor Council Member uh
[55:05] Popkin. Um that's correct. Yes.
[55:08] >> Yeah. Uh and and the administrative
[55:10] » Yeah. Uh and and the administrative
[55:10] process here not only makes sense, but
[55:11] I've personally gone through it and it's
[55:13] smooth and straightforward as long as
[55:14] the um electrical is done well. So, I
[55:17] just wanted to thank staff and and the
[55:18] city for having a smooth process. My
[55:20] only other question I had is, and maybe
[55:22] this is more of an LPC question, but do
[55:24] we know if we still have uh rebates for
[55:26] residential or commercial uh chargers?
[55:29] Is that still um have we have we
[55:33] exhausted the funding for that? Thank
[55:34] you, Darl. I'm seeing a I'm seeing we've
[55:36] exhausted that. So, that's good news
[55:38] that we've exhausted that. But, uh for
[55:39] for anyone still considering uh putting
[55:41] a charger, it's a pretty straightforward
[55:43] process as long as you do it well. I
[55:44] appreciate staff's work on this.
[55:48] Okay, thank you. Um, would you like to
[55:50] move uh resolution 2026-2?
[55:55] >> Oh, you did.
[55:56] » Oh, you did.
[55:56] >> So, moved.
[55:57] » So, moved.
[55:57] >> Okay. And I will second that. Um,
[56:02] » Okay. And I will second that. Um,
[56:02] okay. So, the um resolution 20262
[56:06] has been moved by council me or by by
[56:09] council member Popkin and I have
[56:10] seconded that. Let's go ahead and vote.
[56:20] Okay, and that carries unanimously. We
[56:22] are now on to item F, resolution 2026-4.
[56:27] Um, pulled by staff.
[56:31] Oh, yes.
[56:33] >> Surprised you, mayor.
[56:33] » Surprised you, mayor.
[56:34] >> I know. It was I wasn't even looking at
[56:35] » I know. It was I wasn't even looking at
[56:35] that corner.
[56:36] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[56:37] » Yeah. [laughter]
[56:37] Mayor and council Eugene May, city
[56:39] attorney. Uh so staff uh asked to pull
[56:42] this item because council member PTO
[56:44] raised an issue with the humane society
[56:46] contract on page five. Uh there are
[56:50] three paragraphs regarding undocumented
[56:53] immigrants.
[56:55] The history of those paragraphs is there
[56:58] was a state state bill that required
[57:00] this language be in contracts. Uh that
[57:04] bill has since been repealed. We were
[57:07] using an old version of the Y of the
[57:09] Humane Society contract. These
[57:12] paragraphs should have been removed and
[57:14] unless I hear objection from council, we
[57:16] will remove these paragraphs before
[57:18] executing the contract with Humane
[57:19] Society.
[57:21] >> Okay. Thank you for that. Um and and
[57:25] » Okay. Thank you for that. Um and and
[57:25] thank you for catching that, Council
[57:26] Member Prietto. Um is there anyone who
[57:29] Okay. Nope. Okay. So, okay. So, uh, do I
[57:34] have a motion to approve resolution
[57:36] 2026-4?
[57:38] >> Motion.
[57:39] » Motion.
[57:39] >> Okay. So, um, that item has been moved
[57:41] » Okay. So, um, that item has been moved
[57:41] by council member Prietto. Do I have a
[57:43] second?
[57:43] >> Second.
[57:44] » Second.
[57:44] >> Okay. And it was been seconded by
[57:46] » Okay. And it was been seconded by
[57:46] council member Marcen. Let's go ahead
[57:48] and vote.
[58:04] Okay, the motion carries unanimously.
[58:07] We are now
[58:09] on to our general business item and 12A.
[58:14] So that is an amendment to the 2023
[58:16] action plan for home funding to fund
[58:18] Habitat for Humanity of the St. Vine
[58:21] Valley Rogers Road Housing Development
[58:23] Project instead of Sunset Duplex's
[58:26] project.
[58:33] Good evening, mayor, members of council.
[58:35] Um, Christy Wisman. I'm the housing
[58:37] investment manager for the city and we
[58:39] have a crew for any questions you may
[58:41] have. So, also with me is Alexis Macauen
[58:44] from the HCI team who's our federal
[58:46] funds program manager. And then we also
[58:48] have Megan Sant who's my counterpart,
[58:50] the housing investment manager for the
[58:52] city of Boulder. Um so we don't have a
[58:54] presentation prepared tonight but just
[58:56] wanted to take this um grant project
[59:00] swap question to you and um in essence
[59:04] Habitat in working with city staff as
[59:07] well as city of Boulder staff through
[59:09] the home consortium is asking us to
[59:11] switch our 2023 award between two of
[59:14] their projects. So the award amount will
[59:16] stay the same at that 184,712,
[59:20] but the Rogers Road project is further
[59:23] along in entitlements. It's shovel
[59:24] ready. And then it also recently
[59:27] received another um different type of
[59:30] home funding through the consortium that
[59:32] the city of Boulder manages called the
[59:34] CHTO set aside. And so we essentially
[59:37] want to improve efficiencies by putting
[59:39] all the federal funding on the Habitat
[59:43] project that's most ready to proceed. So
[59:45] this request did come Habitat and
[59:47] Longmont and Boulder and Habitat are all
[59:49] in alignment with this swap. So we just
[59:52] need your formal approval to make that
[59:54] change. But happy to answer any
[59:55] questions.
[59:56] >> Okay. Do we have any questions of
[59:58] » Okay. Do we have any questions of
[59:58] council? Okay. Council member Popkin.
[1:00:03] >> Uh thank you very much for bringing this
[1:00:04] » Uh thank you very much for bringing this
[1:00:04] forward. um and for all the work that's
[1:00:06] been going on I presume in the back end
[1:00:08] for a lot of the shifting here. What's
[1:00:09] the downside if we didn't like what what
[1:00:13] what's the consequence that projects
[1:00:15] slow down because the funding would be
[1:00:16] redistributed to projects that aren't
[1:00:18] shovel ready?
[1:00:20] >> Yeah. So, one of the main downsides is
[1:00:22] » Yeah. So, one of the main downsides is
[1:00:22] then we would have um two projects that
[1:00:26] are requiring the same level of HUD
[1:00:28] compliance through the home program in
[1:00:30] our view unnecessarily. So, we would
[1:00:32] have to do um the same level of
[1:00:35] compliance on Sunset Duplexes and Rogers
[1:00:37] Road as opposed to concentrating our
[1:00:40] monitoring on just one project. Um and
[1:00:43] then because Rogers Road is more shovel
[1:00:46] ready, it's materially funded, there is
[1:00:48] a chance that if this 184,000 award is
[1:00:52] not granted, Habitat may have a gap. So,
[1:00:55] they might have to come back to the
[1:00:57] city, for example, for our affordable
[1:00:58] housing fund round in 2026. and it would
[1:01:01] just delay the project, but they are um
[1:01:04] essentially they have their entitlements
[1:01:06] and they're ready to complete
[1:01:07] construction as soon as the award um
[1:01:09] grant agreements are executed for the
[1:01:11] federal funds.
[1:01:12] >> Thank you. So, in in in effect, we're by
[1:01:15] » Thank you. So, in in in effect, we're by
[1:01:15] consolidating these two, not by bundling
[1:01:18] the two together, basically you're
[1:01:19] actually streamlining the oversight in
[1:01:22] some ways because one project follows
[1:01:24] all of the I mean, they both have to
[1:01:26] follow the rules if they receive the
[1:01:27] funding. In this case, one project will
[1:01:30] gets all of the funding and so the same
[1:01:33] requirements still have to be met anyway
[1:01:34] and the other project has more
[1:01:36] flexibility. Is that the kind of notion
[1:01:38] right now?
[1:01:39] >> Yeah, essentially there are um a
[1:01:42] » Yeah, essentially there are um a
[1:01:42] [clears throat] lot of federal
[1:01:44] regulations that come into play
[1:01:46] especially with procurement. So when
[1:01:47] Habitat goes to procure their general
[1:01:49] contractor to do the actual construction
[1:01:51] work, the steps that they have to take
[1:01:52] and the way they have to do that bidding
[1:01:54] is very specific to to CFR 200 and those
[1:01:58] federal rules when there's home funds in
[1:02:00] play. And so um they're happy to do that
[1:02:03] for one project, but if we can remove um
[1:02:05] this 184,000 would be the only federal
[1:02:08] source on the Sunset Duplexus project
[1:02:11] and that's a relatively small amount of
[1:02:13] money for how much compliance comes with
[1:02:15] it. So, we'd prefer to stack all the
[1:02:17] federal funds on one project just for
[1:02:19] monitoring efficiency. And if HUD comes
[1:02:21] and monitors us, they're looking at one
[1:02:24] project as opposed to two.
[1:02:26] >> Yeah. Great. Thank you for explaining
[1:02:27] » Yeah. Great. Thank you for explaining
[1:02:27] that. Appreciate it.
[1:02:28] >> Okay.
[1:02:31] » Okay.
[1:02:31] >> Council member Christ.
[1:02:33] » Council member Christ.
[1:02:33] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, so Christie, are
[1:02:37] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, so Christie, are
[1:02:37] you going to be short on the sunset
[1:02:38] duplexes at some point and have to have
[1:02:41] to apply for more funding to finish
[1:02:43] those?
[1:02:45] Yeah, thank you for your question,
[1:02:46] Council Member McCen. I did re see re
[1:02:48] re see re see re see re see your email
[1:02:48] early this afternoon. I haven't had a
[1:02:50] chance to reach out to Dave Emerson
[1:02:52] who's the direct executive director of
[1:02:53] Habitat. Um my understanding is the
[1:02:57] Sunset Duplex's project is
[1:03:01] so much further behind in Habitat's um
[1:03:04] kind of development planning that they
[1:03:07] have more time. Um, I don't know for
[1:03:08] sure whether they plan to come in to
[1:03:10] supplant this 184,000 with, for example,
[1:03:14] another affordable housing fund ask. The
[1:03:16] last time I saw a proforma for that
[1:03:18] project was over 6 months ago. So, I'm
[1:03:20] not sure what other fundraising Habitat
[1:03:23] has done in the meantime on Sunset
[1:03:24] Duplexes. Um, but this request for this
[1:03:28] award swap did come from Habitat. So,
[1:03:30] Habitat is asking for this change to
[1:03:33] help them meet their um development
[1:03:36] capacity because they can really only
[1:03:37] focus on so many projects at a time and
[1:03:39] that one's just a little further behind.
[1:03:41] >> Yeah. Okay. So, we'll probably be seeing
[1:03:43] » Yeah. Okay. So, we'll probably be seeing
[1:03:43] something about Sunset again, but we
[1:03:45] have time to work on it.
[1:03:47] >> Yeah, exactly. And if they were to come
[1:03:48] » Yeah, exactly. And if they were to come
[1:03:48] ask for more funding for that project,
[1:03:51] um we would get an updated perform
[1:03:52] sources and uses and um work with
[1:03:55] Habitat to see what's changed with the
[1:03:57] funding picture for for Sunset in the
[1:03:59] last several months since I've last seen
[1:04:01] the performer for that project.
[1:04:03] >> Okay, thank you Christie.
[1:04:05] » Okay, thank you Christie.
[1:04:05] >> Okay, thank you. Um so do we have a
[1:04:07] » Okay, thank you. Um so do we have a
[1:04:07] motion to approve the 2023 home grant
[1:04:10] award allocation as amended?
[1:04:12] >> Okay, second. So, um, the motion has
[1:04:15] » Okay, second. So, um, the motion has
[1:04:15] been made by Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded
[1:04:18] by Council Member Christ.
[1:04:20] Um, and we can go ahead and vote.
[1:04:23] There's no further discussion.
[1:04:31] Okay. And the motion carries
[1:04:32] unanimously. We are now Thank you very
[1:04:35] much.
[1:04:35] >> Uhhuh. Thank you.
[1:04:39] » Okay. We are now on to our city council
[1:04:42] appointments, liaison appointments to
[1:04:44] boards. So there is no formal staff
[1:04:46] presentation. What's that?
[1:04:48] >> I said let's park.
[1:04:49] » I said let's park.
[1:04:49] >> Let's party like
[1:04:53] » Let's party like
[1:04:53] um yeah. So [laughter] do we need a
[1:04:55] break before this?
[1:04:57] >> No.
[1:04:57] » No.
[1:04:57] >> Maybe after. Okay. So um there are there
[1:05:00] » Maybe after. Okay. So um there are there
[1:05:00] is no staff presentation. It's really
[1:05:02] just for us to ask of council to discuss
[1:05:05] if any board's assignments, you know,
[1:05:07] what would you like to have reshuffled
[1:05:10] for um council member Kulkuffer?
[1:05:13] And if I believe we have the spreadsheet
[1:05:16] on our
[1:05:18] document, so if you want to pull that
[1:05:20] up. Um,
[1:05:29] and did anyone want to start? Okay,
[1:05:32] we'll start with Council Member Popkin.
[1:05:35] >> Well, I'll kick things off at a
[1:05:37] » Well, I'll kick things off at a
[1:05:37] productive uh member with prospective uh
[1:05:40] Council Member Kauker. Uh, and uh I know
[1:05:43] he's passionate about transportation and
[1:05:45] and uh
[1:05:47] um the NA uh what is it? the North Area
[1:05:50] Transportation Alliance, a regional
[1:05:52] board and an important one for making
[1:05:54] sure that everything is connected
[1:05:55] literally and figuratively in the
[1:05:57] region. Um, I wanted to offer that. It's
[1:05:59] a It didn't perfectly work with my
[1:06:01] schedule, but I was interested in it and
[1:06:03] it sounds like it does for him, so I
[1:06:04] wanted to put that on the table.
[1:06:06] >> Okay.
[1:06:09] » Is that NA?
[1:06:11] Yeah.
[1:06:13] [clears throat] And Okay.
[1:06:15] Was there anything else? Oh, okay. Okay.
[1:06:20] So, uh, Council Member Prietto,
[1:06:23] >> uh, yes, I had two boards that did not
[1:06:25] » uh, yes, I had two boards that did not
[1:06:25] work for me. Um, it was the, uh, visit
[1:06:29] Longmont board along with the
[1:06:31] sustainability board. Um, I did email
[1:06:35] um, councelor Koffer and he said that
[1:06:37] they would work perfect with his
[1:06:39] schedule. So, um, just wanted to put
[1:06:42] that out there.
[1:06:44] >> Okay, great. Um, so I have two, no
[1:06:49] » Okay, great. Um, so I have two, no
[1:06:49] actually one internal and two regional.
[1:06:53] Um, okay.
[1:06:56] Council member
[1:06:58] um, Marcine.
[1:07:00] >> Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, as much as
[1:07:01] » Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, as much as
[1:07:01] it pains me because I was very much
[1:07:03] looking forward to getting the work
[1:07:04] started and I'd already met with with
[1:07:05] some of these folks, but I I do think in
[1:07:06] terms of proximity, his skill set, his
[1:07:09] interests, I think, uh, LDDDA would be a
[1:07:11] good fit for um, Council Member
[1:07:14] Cockoffer. why I'm I'm happy to hand
[1:07:16] that one over and uh yeah, I I don't
[1:07:18] think my wife will be will be bothered
[1:07:20] if I if I miss another meeting if I have
[1:07:22] less meetings. So,
[1:07:24] >> okay.
[1:07:26] » okay.
[1:07:26] >> Okay. Council member um Kulkapper,
[1:07:30] » Okay. Council member um Kulkapper,
[1:07:30] >> I will happily take all of those um if
[1:07:33] » I will happily take all of those um if
[1:07:33] that's okay with you, mayor. And then um
[1:07:34] I was curious about the commuting
[1:07:36] solution.
[1:07:36] >> I was going to get to that. I was going
[1:07:37] » I was going to get to that. I was going
[1:07:38] to let let everybody throw their
[1:07:41] their um suggestions out their two cents
[1:07:45] and then I was going to see wanted to
[1:07:47] confirm if commuting solutions
[1:07:51] uh
[1:07:53] as the
[1:07:55] liaison non- voting me um liaison member
[1:07:58] would work for you
[1:08:00] I think is that yeah it is the liaison
[1:08:04] and it's I have here that it's non-
[1:08:06] voting
[1:08:08] So yeah, but if that works for your
[1:08:10] schedule.
[1:08:12] Oh, there you go. No wonder you're not
[1:08:14] answering me. [laughter]
[1:08:15] >> Uh, that one does work for my schedule.
[1:08:17] » Uh, that one does work for my schedule.
[1:08:17] And then there's also one other
[1:08:19] transportation one that is not has not
[1:08:21] been assigned. And I wasn't sure if
[1:08:23] Cammy if you figured out what what
[1:08:26] location and what day and time those
[1:08:28] were.
[1:08:30] >> Still working on it.
[1:08:32] » Still working on it.
[1:08:32] >> There's one more.
[1:08:34] » There's one more.
[1:08:34] >> Which one was it?
[1:08:35] » Which one was it?
[1:08:35] >> Um, yeah. Which one was that?
[1:08:38] » Um, yeah. Which one was that?
[1:08:38] Was it the um Northern Colorado Highway
[1:08:42] 287?
[1:08:43] >> Yes.
[1:08:44] » Yes.
[1:08:44] >> Coalition. Okay.
[1:08:45] » Coalition. Okay.
[1:08:45] >> Because there's confusion about is it
[1:08:47] » Because there's confusion about is it
[1:08:47] Boulder or is it in uh Loveland?
[1:08:50] Uh also
[1:08:54] >> so the 287 safety improvement projects
[1:08:57] » so the 287 safety improvement projects
[1:08:57] there is a section that is on the south
[1:08:59] side of Longmont that is run by Boulder
[1:09:01] County and then there's the section
[1:09:03] that's receiving improvements on the
[1:09:04] north side of Longmont which might also
[1:09:06] have a group um in Loveland and or the
[1:09:09] Lmer County. So, we're just trying to
[1:09:11] confirm that they're looking for
[1:09:12] representatives from Longmont on both
[1:09:14] for sure the Boulder County one um
[1:09:16] that's on the south side of Longmont,
[1:09:18] but both are active projects right now.
[1:09:20] So, we just want to make sure that we
[1:09:21] have the right coverage in the right
[1:09:23] places. So, we're just confirming if
[1:09:25] there's two coalitions or really just
[1:09:27] one coalition. Um but the one in Boulder
[1:09:30] is not in question. It's the one up
[1:09:31] north. We just want to make sure that we
[1:09:32] have the right details for first.
[1:09:35] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:09:37] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:09:37] >> That helps. Yeah. So, so in the event
[1:09:39] » That helps. Yeah. So, so in the event
[1:09:39] something comes open, we can well
[1:09:42] >> I think yeah, if I can confirm just to
[1:09:44] » I think yeah, if I can confirm just to
[1:09:44] make sure we can follow up and then you
[1:09:46] can assign that second
[1:09:48] >> 287 group if there is in fact one.
[1:09:50] » 287 group if there is in fact one.
[1:09:50] >> Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
[1:09:52] » Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
[1:09:52] >> Okay, you're welcome.
[1:09:53] » Okay, you're welcome.
[1:09:53] >> So, I have five total boards for you. Um
[1:09:57] » So, I have five total boards for you. Um
[1:09:57] only one well one is the um an internal
[1:10:00] and the other four are regional. Um, and
[1:10:04] then just kind of looking at,
[1:10:09] you know, where everybody else feels.
[1:10:10] Was there anything else you wanted to
[1:10:12] throw his way? [laughter]
[1:10:14] Are we good for now? And um, yeah. And
[1:10:19] then the other one too, and um, Council
[1:10:21] Member Popkin, this one is directed to
[1:10:23] you, if you are feeling, now that you've
[1:10:25] had a chance to look through the list,
[1:10:27] if you need me, if you want me to pick
[1:10:29] up Dr. COG as the and you be the um
[1:10:32] alternate.
[1:10:34] That one meets Wednesday evenings
[1:10:38] in Denver,
[1:10:41] >> the Denver Regional Council of
[1:10:43] » the Denver Regional Council of
[1:10:43] Governments and it is um the Wednesday.
[1:10:48] Yeah, I think they have they started at
[1:10:49] 4, but it's like a dinner
[1:10:52] deal before it gets started. So, go
[1:10:54] ahead, Council Member Popkin.
[1:10:57] >> Yeah, I was going to ask
[1:10:59] » Yeah, I was going to ask
[1:10:59] What's the usual like window for the
[1:11:01] meeting? Like is it a two hour, three
[1:11:03] hour, 15 hour? What's the the depends on
[1:11:06] who talk?
[1:11:07] >> It depends on who Stop. Okay, I see
[1:11:10] » It depends on who Stop. Okay, I see
[1:11:10] where you're going with that. Um
[1:11:13] I know they started, if I recall
[1:11:15] correctly, and I don't know if they've
[1:11:17] changed it, but I think it went like
[1:11:18] 6:00 to 9 or like a 6:30. I thought
[1:11:21] there was a dinner even though it shows
[1:11:22] four o'clock here.
[1:11:24] >> Oh,
[1:11:24] » Oh,
[1:11:24] >> and I'll follow follow up with that time
[1:11:26] » and I'll follow follow up with that time
[1:11:26] frame. Um, and I knew um may the mayor
[1:11:31] Pek had often just stayed the night over
[1:11:33] there when she went because it it went
[1:11:36] late.
[1:11:36] >> Um, so, you know, I wanted to throw that
[1:11:40] » Um, so, you know, I wanted to throw that
[1:11:40] back out there. I am fine with just
[1:11:41] keeping it the way it is,
[1:11:43] >> but I wanted to throw that out there for
[1:11:45] » but I wanted to throw that out there for
[1:11:45] you now that you had a chance to digest,
[1:11:47] you know, your assignments.
[1:11:50] >> Yeah, I didn't know it was Okay, that's
[1:11:52] » Yeah, I didn't know it was Okay, that's
[1:11:52] useful to know because technically I
[1:11:54] have that in the planning and zoning
[1:11:55] commission on the same day. I was
[1:11:57] planning to go back to back.
[1:11:58] >> Oh,
[1:11:59] » Oh,
[1:11:59] >> but if it's a like a for a sleepover
[1:12:01] » but if it's a like a for a sleepover
[1:12:01] situation.
[1:12:02] >> Yeah, I would not be sleeping over. I'll
[1:12:04] » Yeah, I would not be sleeping over. I'll
[1:12:04] be driving back at night. Um
[1:12:06] >> um more than uh
[1:12:10] » um more than uh
[1:12:10] >> maybe we can take this off like does
[1:12:12] » maybe we can take this off like does
[1:12:12] this have to be decided right now or
[1:12:14] >> It doesn't I Don and I'm going to defer
[1:12:16] » It doesn't I Don and I'm going to defer
[1:12:16] to you. Is that okay if we discuss
[1:12:18] offline if we want to switch roles or do
[1:12:22] we need to do a formal
[1:12:27] » I think it's up to you if you'd like for
[1:12:28] us to do Dr. Cog will be looking to know
[1:12:31] who the voting
[1:12:33] >> appointee is.
[1:12:34] » appointee is.
[1:12:34] >> Yes.
[1:12:34] » Yes.
[1:12:34] >> Um with some clarity I think so.
[1:12:37] » Um with some clarity I think so.
[1:12:37] >> Yeah. Well and I think Yeah. So do you
[1:12:40] » Yeah. Well and I think Yeah. So do you
[1:12:40] want us to decide tonight? It'd be
[1:12:42] helpful. But if you need more time and
[1:12:44] you want to monitor it, we can just let
[1:12:46] them know you're
[1:12:48] >> going to see how it goes and alternate
[1:12:49] » going to see how it goes and alternate
[1:12:50] or let us know what you decide.
[1:12:52] >> I mean, do you want to try the first
[1:12:53] » I mean, do you want to try the first
[1:12:54] meeting, see how it goes, and then let
[1:12:55] me know?
[1:12:56] >> Kind of. I was very interested in it.
[1:12:59] » Kind of. I was very interested in it.
[1:12:59] Um, and supporting the city in that way.
[1:13:02] Yeah. And I guess
[1:13:04] >> and it's historically, you know, I' I've
[1:13:06] » and it's historically, you know, I' I've
[1:13:06] spoken with other mayors who who often
[1:13:09] just assign a council member to do that.
[1:13:12] So, it's not unheard of that the mayor
[1:13:13] is there. I just wanted to
[1:13:16] >> to throw that out because I know the
[1:13:17] » to throw that out because I know the
[1:13:17] former mayor had picked it up.
[1:13:20] >> Yeah, maybe Yeah, let me let me think
[1:13:22] » Yeah, maybe Yeah, let me let me think
[1:13:22] about it. I'm wondering if maybe we tag
[1:13:23] team this depending on what the planning
[1:13:25] and zoning commission has on their
[1:13:26] agenda.
[1:13:27] >> That can work as well
[1:13:28] » That can work as well
[1:13:28] >> and maybe we can kind of share that. Um
[1:13:30] » and maybe we can kind of share that. Um
[1:13:30] but yeah, let's take that offline if
[1:13:31] that's okay for
[1:13:32] >> sure. We'll let you do it and then we'll
[1:13:35] » sure. We'll let you do it and then we'll
[1:13:35] see where where we land. Okay.
[1:13:37] >> Appreciate it. Thank you for flagging
[1:13:38] » Appreciate it. Thank you for flagging
[1:13:38] that.
[1:13:38] >> Yep.
[1:13:40] » Yep.
[1:13:40] >> Of course.
[1:13:42] » Of course.
[1:13:42] >> Okay.
[1:13:44] » Okay.
[1:13:44] So, I believe are we good to go?
[1:13:46] >> Are Yeah, I noted just to re recap.
[1:13:49] » Are Yeah, I noted just to re recap.
[1:13:49] >> Yes. uh for council member Calver uh
[1:13:52] » Yes. uh for council member Calver uh
[1:13:52] NATO visit Longmont Sustainability
[1:13:54] Advisory Board LDDA and commuting
[1:13:57] solutions and then the pending 287
[1:14:01] coalition once we decipher what's
[1:14:03] happening there
[1:14:05] >> okay
[1:14:05] » okay
[1:14:06] >> is all I've noted
[1:14:08] » is all I've noted
[1:14:08] all that's all
[1:14:09] >> okay that's that's what I have as well
[1:14:11] » okay that's that's what I have as well
[1:14:11] but [laughter]
[1:14:12] it's a load
[1:14:16] okay so now we are on to item C our 2026
[1:14:19] city council retreat agenda planning.
[1:14:22] Um, and before Sandy seed, before you
[1:14:26] come, do we need to take a break?
[1:14:28] >> Are we good? Okay, we're going
[1:14:30] » Are we good? Okay, we're going
[1:14:30] [clears throat] to keep on plugging
[1:14:31] through.
[1:14:44] All right. Hello, Mayor Hoga Fairing and
[1:14:47] members of council. Sandy Cedar,
[1:14:48] assistant city manager, and I'm here to
[1:14:50] talk about the retreat. Uh, currently
[1:14:52] your retreat is scheduled for March 27th
[1:14:54] and 28th. We are taking a look at some
[1:14:56] different options for where we might
[1:14:58] hold the retreat. Um, one thing that I
[1:15:00] do want to bring up to this group as
[1:15:02] we're kind of discussing and planning.
[1:15:04] Um, is that we believe that that will be
[1:15:06] the same time frame as the opening of
[1:15:08] the ascent property. Um, I know it's
[1:15:11] tough to get to a ribbon cutting during
[1:15:12] the day unless you might be at a
[1:15:14] retreat. [laughter]
[1:15:16] And so just as a suggestion, if you're
[1:15:17] interested in us taking a look at
[1:15:19] whether we could have the retreat either
[1:15:21] um at the ascent property or um at
[1:15:24] Hearthstone, if that's something that's
[1:15:25] interesting to you, we would be happy to
[1:15:26] pursue that. Yeah. So we have a whole
[1:15:30] bunch of questions for you today. Um as
[1:15:33] I said, the retreat is scheduled for
[1:15:35] March 27th and 28th. Um and as we put
[1:15:38] together a draft agenda for you, we
[1:15:40] would like to ask a couple of questions
[1:15:41] like what kinds of topics would you like
[1:15:43] to discuss? Would you like to have an
[1:15:45] outside facilitator? Are you interested
[1:15:47] in some sort of team building or
[1:15:49] communication enhancing kind of
[1:15:51] discussion amongst the council? Um, and
[1:15:55] uh what would essentially what we're
[1:15:57] looking for is what would make the
[1:15:58] retreat a success for this city council.
[1:16:00] Uh we talked a little bit about in the
[1:16:02] council communication. We'll certainly
[1:16:04] give you an update on the current
[1:16:06] council work plan as it sits today. That
[1:16:08] doesn't have to be a presentation. It
[1:16:10] can absolutely be just something in
[1:16:11] writing that we're able to put as part
[1:16:13] of the packet. We'll also put our
[1:16:14] accomplishments and work plans because
[1:16:16] we always do. Um, and then it really is
[1:16:18] up to this council to discuss your
[1:16:20] priorities for the year. Um, as well as
[1:16:22] maybe some other topics like boards and
[1:16:24] commissions. If you decide you wanted to
[1:16:26] do it on the study session instead, then
[1:16:28] that's taken care of. But you also may
[1:16:31] be interested in outreach. I know
[1:16:33] there's been a couple of conversations
[1:16:35] around is coffee with council the best
[1:16:37] way to do engagement today. uh it may be
[1:16:40] one component, but maybe there's some
[1:16:41] other things that the council would like
[1:16:43] to discuss. So, those are some of the
[1:16:44] topics that I've heard the council talk
[1:16:46] about so far, but really the floor is up
[1:16:48] to you. Several of you did send me some
[1:16:50] ideas and suggestions which I forwarded
[1:16:52] to the entire council. So, uh at this
[1:16:54] point, I turn it back over to you,
[1:16:56] mayor. You let me know what you all
[1:16:57] would like to see.
[1:16:58] >> Okay. Thanks. I know I was playing
[1:17:00] » Okay. Thanks. I know I was playing
[1:17:00] around with trying to figure out how how
[1:17:03] we wanted to go through each each item.
[1:17:06] Um, I do appreciate the emails and thank
[1:17:09] you for forwarding those to us. Um, it
[1:17:12] gave me a better insight into kind of
[1:17:14] where everybody's at. And, you know, and
[1:17:17] I kind of see a lot of alignment in in
[1:17:19] some of those, you know, es especially
[1:17:21] as we looked at team building. I know
[1:17:23] there was not wanting to get too caught
[1:17:24] up in the fru, you know, I Yeah, I'm not
[1:17:28] going to go into [laughter]
[1:17:30] work stuff, but um, but I've been there.
[1:17:34] Yes. Um, so in I do want to I I just
[1:17:39] want to throw in really quick before we
[1:17:40] start getting into the meat of what we
[1:17:43] want to add. I really enjoyed the um and
[1:17:48] I it was Brian Shimat Shimato
[1:17:51] >> Shimamoto
[1:17:52] » Shimamoto
[1:17:52] >> Shimamoto who did the um intercultural
[1:17:55] » Shimamoto who did the um intercultural
[1:17:55] development inventory and I had to go
[1:17:57] talk call Carmen contact Carmen and like
[1:18:01] help me remember what was the name of
[1:18:02] that. Um so looking at that really
[1:18:05] helped me to un understand what type of
[1:18:08] leader I am, how I perceive information,
[1:18:10] how I take in information, but also how
[1:18:13] my council colleagues take in
[1:18:16] information, how they respond and that
[1:18:18] really helped me become a better, more
[1:18:21] efficient leader um more responsive
[1:18:24] leader as well as you know responding to
[1:18:26] my to my council colleagues um who also
[1:18:29] were a part of this training. Was anyone
[1:18:32] here? Were you here for that one for the
[1:18:36] did you take the survey? I think you
[1:18:37] >> No, I didn't take the survey, but I was
[1:18:38] » No, I didn't take the survey, but I was
[1:18:38] there for the results for Okay.
[1:18:40] >> Council and it was
[1:18:42] » Council and it was
[1:18:42] >> and so there is Yeah. And I thought it
[1:18:44] » and so there is Yeah. And I thought it
[1:18:44] was very powerful for me to to for
[1:18:47] self-reflective piece. So I I think
[1:18:49] about team building. I mean there could
[1:18:52] be something fun, but I it doesn't seem
[1:18:55] like that's necessary. But if we look at
[1:18:57] really how we are as
[1:19:00] leaders, how we how we react to things,
[1:19:03] how we respond to um situations and for
[1:19:06] us to learn learn that about each other.
[1:19:09] I think that would be very beneficial.
[1:19:11] Um does anyone have any Oh, go ahead if
[1:19:14] you want to speak more to that.
[1:19:15] >> I was just going to say one of the
[1:19:16] » I was just going to say one of the
[1:19:16] suggestions I think from council member
[1:19:18] Chris was the Clifton StrengthFinder.
[1:19:19] That's I have certainly taken that um
[1:19:21] assessment before and that has been very
[1:19:23] helpful. Okay. Harold has a few other
[1:19:25] assessments that he uses along with his
[1:19:27] um consultant Riley. And so if if that's
[1:19:30] the kind of thing that you're interested
[1:19:31] in, we'd be happy to kind of, you know,
[1:19:33] talk about what would make the most
[1:19:35] sense and bring back that kind of thing.
[1:19:36] Take an assessment and then learn about
[1:19:38] each other's styles as opposed to an
[1:19:40] icebreaker. [laughter]
[1:19:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think I think that
[1:19:44] » Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think I think that
[1:19:44] would be more beneficial.
[1:19:45] >> Okay.
[1:19:46] » Okay.
[1:19:46] >> Um I think we've already broken the ice
[1:19:48] » Um I think we've already broken the ice
[1:19:48] around here. [laughter]
[1:19:51] » Um so
[1:19:54] Yeah. And so, okay. Oops. And I think Go
[1:19:58] ahead, Council Member Popkin. Yes.
[1:20:00] >> Yeah. Just a quick follow on on that
[1:20:01] » Yeah. Just a quick follow on on that
[1:20:01] topic for a minute and then I would
[1:20:02] welcome I'd love to hear from other
[1:20:04] council members on their ideas.
[1:20:05] >> Um, when we do this kind of a session,
[1:20:08] » Um, when we do this kind of a session,
[1:20:08] can we also think of not just what are
[1:20:10] each other's what are each other's
[1:20:11] strengths, but also how do people work
[1:20:14] together most effectively across those
[1:20:16] different approaches? Sometimes that
[1:20:18] gets lost in the approach. Is that part
[1:20:19] of that's built in? Okay, great. Just
[1:20:21] wanted to make sure that was included.
[1:20:22] Thank you.
[1:20:23] >> Yes,
[1:20:23] » Yes,
[1:20:24] >> we actually uh have one that is AI based
[1:20:28] » we actually uh have one that is AI based
[1:20:28] that you can put questions in like I
[1:20:30] could say I need to talk to Sandy about
[1:20:33] this. How do I best communicate to
[1:20:34] Sandy? And it actually gives you a game
[1:20:38] plan for the conversation so that you
[1:20:40] make sure your style is communicating to
[1:20:43] the other person's style.
[1:20:45] >> Interesting.
[1:20:46] » Interesting.
[1:20:46] >> That would be interesting. But wait,
[1:20:47] » That would be interesting. But wait,
[1:20:47] wait. So my style is inputed in AI.
[1:20:51] >> No. So, you take a test. Yeah. And it
[1:20:53] » No. So, you take a test. Yeah. And it
[1:20:53] tells you kind of this is you and it
[1:20:55] tells me who Sandy is and then we go,
[1:20:57] okay, I need to talk to Sandy about this
[1:20:59] and it gives me a game plan to make sure
[1:21:01] that we're
[1:21:02] >> actually communicating with each other.
[1:21:04] » actually communicating with each other.
[1:21:04] >> Okay.
[1:21:04] » Okay.
[1:21:04] >> It's a closed data loop.
[1:21:06] » It's a closed data loop.
[1:21:06] >> It's a closed data system.
[1:21:07] » It's a closed data system.
[1:21:07] >> Data loop. It doesn't go It's not chat
[1:21:09] » Data loop. It doesn't go It's not chat
[1:21:09] GP.
[1:21:11] It's a closed data system where after
[1:21:13] you take your assessment,
[1:21:14] >> the way Susie behaves is out there in
[1:21:16] » the way Susie behaves is out there in
[1:21:16] the ethos. [laughter]
[1:21:18] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Prietto,
[1:21:22] » Okay. Um, Council Member Prietto,
[1:21:22] >> this is not my recommendation for the
[1:21:25] » this is not my recommendation for the
[1:21:25] retreat, but just a comment to your
[1:21:28] suggestion.
[1:21:29] >> Oh, yes, please. Yeah.
[1:21:30] » Oh, yes, please. Yeah.
[1:21:30] >> Um, so, and I just want to put it out
[1:21:33] » Um, so, and I just want to put it out
[1:21:33] there. I think it's going to be really
[1:21:34] important like the kind of that
[1:21:37] relationship building piece because a
[1:21:39] lot of how we work comes from who we are
[1:21:42] and our roots and our background. Um,
[1:21:46] and so I think it's going to be
[1:21:47] important to like really learn about one
[1:21:50] another and where we're from and how we
[1:21:53] were raised and different things like
[1:21:55] that in order to
[1:21:57] >> fully understand what's oh that makes
[1:22:00] » fully understand what's oh that makes
[1:22:00] sense that this person's work style is
[1:22:02] this or their their communication style
[1:22:04] is this.
[1:22:05] >> And so just wanted to point that out. I
[1:22:07] » And so just wanted to point that out. I
[1:22:07] so like along with that discussion
[1:22:09] making sure that we have that foundation
[1:22:11] of like
[1:22:12] >> just getting to know one another.
[1:22:13] » just getting to know one another.
[1:22:13] >> Yeah. And I noticed that like having
[1:22:15] » Yeah. And I noticed that like having
[1:22:15] those conversations did organically that
[1:22:18] did allow us to to share out and to get
[1:22:23] an understanding of who we are.
[1:22:25] >> Yes. Gotcha.
[1:22:26] » Yes. Gotcha.
[1:22:26] >> Um but yeah, so if you can we can make
[1:22:28] » Um but yeah, so if you can we can make
[1:22:28] sure that's incorporated in there. Um
[1:22:31] who are you? Mayor [laughter]
[1:22:34] >> Mayor Pro McCoy. I was like, who's
[1:22:36] » Mayor Pro McCoy. I was like, who's
[1:22:36] number four?
[1:22:37] >> Thank you, mayor. I was looking at some
[1:22:39] » Thank you, mayor. I was looking at some
[1:22:39] of the uh council uh members um uh
[1:22:43] thoughts on this and I I really did like
[1:22:46] uh council member uh Cole Coffer. Am I
[1:22:49] saying that right? Okay. um comfort
[1:22:52] >> the the thing the meat and potato is
[1:22:55] » the the thing the meat and potato is
[1:22:55] part of what we're trying to do here in
[1:22:57] the sense of uh council goals and
[1:23:00] objectives and revisiting that aspect
[1:23:02] and and the fact that we're people kind
[1:23:05] of needing to understand the broader
[1:23:08] aspects of envision Longmont and the
[1:23:11] updates and aspects of that and then I
[1:23:13] you know I I think of the uh fire fire
[1:23:17] preparedness um um I I think is
[1:23:21] specifically after a couple of uh you
[1:23:24] know plane crashes and stuff like that
[1:23:26] out at the airport. How with you know
[1:23:31] very flammable fuels uh would be um
[1:23:36] particularly
[1:23:38] important and interesting to to explore.
[1:23:40] you know, what what safety measures we
[1:23:43] have there and and what maybe safety
[1:23:45] measures we need to consider
[1:23:47] implementing at a at that location. Um,
[1:23:52] you know, Sundance,
[1:23:54] I think maybe getting everybody on the
[1:23:56] same page of what's happening for the
[1:24:00] first year at Sundance, but I don't know
[1:24:02] that that's a a super high level and
[1:24:05] long conversation just because for the
[1:24:09] most part, we're going to be housing
[1:24:11] workers and volunteers and maybe getting
[1:24:14] people understanding that they're not
[1:24:17] going to have this. I think there's this
[1:24:19] perception in the general audience of uh
[1:24:22] Longmont uh uh community members that
[1:24:25] there's there's we're going to have a
[1:24:27] bigger impact. The bigger impact is kind
[1:24:30] of getting people's heads around the
[1:24:31] idea of having
[1:24:35] uh resources uh ready and prepared for
[1:24:39] when people come back into town in the
[1:24:42] evening. and maybe uh making sure that
[1:24:45] our restaurants and other uh services
[1:24:47] are there for
[1:24:50] uh those folks because that's truly
[1:24:53] putting our best foot forward and
[1:24:55] understanding the expectation of it. So
[1:24:56] I think that's some of those
[1:24:58] conversations need to be had and make
[1:25:01] sure that we're saying the same thing
[1:25:03] over and over again as we talk about
[1:25:05] what that looks like. Are are you saying
[1:25:07] that you see that as a retreat topic or
[1:25:09] like a study session topic as we're
[1:25:11] starting a retreat topic and kind of a
[1:25:13] but not a not a a super in-depth? It's
[1:25:16] more of like
[1:25:17] >> an update.
[1:25:18] » an update.
[1:25:18] >> Yeah. More of an update and keeping
[1:25:19] » Yeah. More of an update and keeping
[1:25:19] people on
[1:25:21] >> uh on the a on brand for what we're
[1:25:25] » uh on the a on brand for what we're
[1:25:25] trying to accomplish because we got a
[1:25:27] lot of people trying to make this thing
[1:25:28] work right. We really want to come
[1:25:30] across as the community that that helps
[1:25:34] support bringing Sundance here. Okay.
[1:25:36] And then before we go on, so um Sandy,
[1:25:40] do you feel like number three, the team
[1:25:42] building segment, do you think that's we
[1:25:45] can check that off? Okay. So that's
[1:25:47] done. So looking at kind of processing
[1:25:50] uh fire preparedness update on uh
[1:25:55] Sundance,
[1:25:57] uh trying to think looking at um other
[1:26:00] department pieces. I guess that would be
[1:26:04] maybe number two. what reports and
[1:26:05] presentations would be helpful. Now, I
[1:26:08] did catch in one of them talking about
[1:26:10] the state of the departments.
[1:26:12] >> Um, I'm going to respectfully disagree,
[1:26:15] » Um, I'm going to respectfully disagree,
[1:26:15] respectfully disagree. Um, it is
[1:26:17] important that we do know where the
[1:26:19] departments are as far as what their
[1:26:22] reality is, especially when we're making
[1:26:24] goals that where there's money implied.
[1:26:27] And so, we need to know kind of what the
[1:26:30] demands are of staff. Um, it doesn't
[1:26:32] have to really be in depth as far as
[1:26:34] what, you know, what they're presenting
[1:26:37] to us, but I think it's really important
[1:26:39] and I really value that, especially my
[1:26:41] first couple of years on council is
[1:26:43] understanding what the departments have
[1:26:45] to do, what what is their reality, their
[1:26:49] staffing, their so if we're looking for,
[1:26:52] you know, looking at development and
[1:26:54] we're looking at adding new initiatives
[1:26:56] that we need to make sure that our staff
[1:26:59] has what they need so they can be
[1:27:01] successful.
[1:27:01] So, it's just kind of adding that extra
[1:27:04] lens and perspective. Um, so I would
[1:27:07] like something where staff does give us
[1:27:10] and it doesn't have to be super long or
[1:27:11] super intense. Um, you know, intense,
[1:27:14] but I did appreciate just from my own
[1:27:17] experience.
[1:27:18] >> Yeah, I was going to ask I think what I
[1:27:20] » Yeah, I was going to ask I think what I
[1:27:20] wanted to do is really a capacity
[1:27:22] conversation.
[1:27:23] >> Yes. Because I think in all of this
[1:27:26] » Yes. Because I think in all of this
[1:27:26] there's a finite capacity
[1:27:28] >> and it's based on what we're already
[1:27:30] » and it's based on what we're already
[1:27:30] working on and what we're wanting to
[1:27:32] work on and balancing that capacity
[1:27:35] because you've heard me say this
[1:27:37] recently. We're we're at max capacity in
[1:27:40] some ways which is going to have to come
[1:27:43] into the decision-m process in terms of
[1:27:46] what do we take on now? What do we take
[1:27:47] on down the road? So,
[1:27:49] >> I've done a capacity presentation at the
[1:27:52] » I've done a capacity presentation at the
[1:27:52] last two that may
[1:27:54] >> capture that, but I'm going to do it
[1:27:56] » capture that, but I'm going to do it
[1:27:56] from a holistic perspective of the
[1:27:58] entire organization
[1:27:59] >> if that's what you're getting at. Yes.
[1:28:01] » if that's what you're getting at. Yes.
[1:28:01] But I would like to do that just to set
[1:28:03] the framework.
[1:28:05] >> Of course. Yeah. And you know, and I
[1:28:06] » Of course. Yeah. And you know, and I
[1:28:06] think about FTE, you know, I've been in
[1:28:09] close conversations with our fire and um
[1:28:11] public safety and just, you know,
[1:28:13] looking at their capacity, you know,
[1:28:15] especially as we're looking at higher
[1:28:17] density. what does that mean? Do we have
[1:28:19] enough people on on staff to to address
[1:28:22] if there's apartment fire? And so so
[1:28:25] just knowing those dynamics. Um that's
[1:28:28] just my input,
[1:28:29] >> but go ahead uh Council Member Marcen.
[1:28:34] » Oh, did I put on the wrong one? I did.
[1:28:37] So I apologize. So thank you, Mayor, and
[1:28:40] I appreciate you raising that. And I and
[1:28:41] I want to be clear about the context of
[1:28:43] the the note that I sent. It was
[1:28:44] certainly not intended to be, you know,
[1:28:46] disrespectful of staff or anything like
[1:28:47] that in the lightest. I think I think
[1:28:49] anyone who's been in meetings long
[1:28:50] enough knows that there are I'm going to
[1:28:52] report out for 45 minutes about this.
[1:28:54] And I think for for me personally, I
[1:28:56] think there absolutely capacity is a
[1:28:58] valuable conversation. What can staff
[1:29:00] handle? What individual projects are
[1:29:02] maybe we're not aware of that staff is
[1:29:04] working on day-to-day? I think from my
[1:29:06] perspective, the thing that I would that
[1:29:08] that just and again one of seven the
[1:29:12] having that space to talk with each
[1:29:15] other about shared goals and priorities
[1:29:18] in in
[1:29:20] just knowing that time is an asset that
[1:29:23] that that would be my priority if we had
[1:29:25] the the choice between the two. So, I
[1:29:27] just wanted to clarify certainly not
[1:29:28] looking to be at all, you know,
[1:29:30] disrespectful of staff or staff time.
[1:29:32] And and that's part of the goal, too, is
[1:29:33] I I would hope that staff doesn't have
[1:29:35] to do a lot of preparation for this
[1:29:36] retreat. I would hope that it's that
[1:29:38] it's us that has to carry a lot of that
[1:29:39] load as we move forward. So, thank you,
[1:29:42] Mayor.
[1:29:43] >> Of course. No, and I didn't take it that
[1:29:44] » Of course. No, and I didn't take it that
[1:29:44] way. I just wanted to add some context
[1:29:47] to that piece. So, I'm going to kick it
[1:29:49] back to Council Member Christ and then
[1:29:50] I'll work my way to the other side.
[1:29:55] Well, this is slightly from the um side
[1:29:58] talking about this, but um just an
[1:30:00] observation that most of us have come
[1:30:02] off of a campaign recently. So, we've
[1:30:05] been on a a real listening tour and it's
[1:30:08] important to take all that information
[1:30:11] and discuss it and even the nuances of
[1:30:13] it because a lot of it comes down to the
[1:30:15] same topics that we talk about here. How
[1:30:18] do we engage with the public better? How
[1:30:21] do we um
[1:30:24] how do we see unintended consequences
[1:30:26] before we end up there? How, you know,
[1:30:28] how do we solve some of these problems
[1:30:30] that have been plaguing us where we're
[1:30:32] just not quite where we want to be with
[1:30:34] them? And so, I think it takes a wider
[1:30:36] lens and a wider understanding of how
[1:30:40] how we all approach problems because I
[1:30:42] think if we put all our all of our heads
[1:30:43] together, we will have every
[1:30:46] every sector covered and we'll come up
[1:30:49] with some good ideas. not to overwhelm
[1:30:51] staff. And I think one of the advantages
[1:30:54] also of having a second day is we can
[1:30:56] kind of hash all this out and then have
[1:30:58] a list of questions for staff
[1:31:01] to school us. You know, I I think you
[1:31:04] have an amazing amount of information,
[1:31:07] talent, and um insights after doing this
[1:31:10] for so many years. So um yeah. Uh, so I
[1:31:15] didn't come up with a list of specific
[1:31:17] topics yet, although I kind of have them
[1:31:19] in my head because I think everybody has
[1:31:21] heard some of the same things, but maybe
[1:31:23] in different ways. And I want to hear
[1:31:26] all those different ways that people
[1:31:28] come to us with concerns, but also, you
[1:31:30] know, what they like and what they don't
[1:31:32] like. Some things are positive for some
[1:31:34] people and negative for others, but but
[1:31:36] what what is the what are the roots of
[1:31:39] that? and uh Mayor Hoga, one thing that
[1:31:42] um I was thinking about with respect to
[1:31:44] council member Christ's motion at the
[1:31:46] beginning of this particular council
[1:31:48] session around taking a look at the
[1:31:50] National Civic League's, you know, kind
[1:31:51] of framework around some of that. We can
[1:31:54] continue. The current motion is to do
[1:31:55] that in a pre session. I assume we would
[1:31:58] probably be able to still fit in a
[1:31:59] preession before the retreat. I'm
[1:32:00] looking at Harold and he can say
[1:32:02] absolutely not. But the presession on
[1:32:04] the National Civic Leave kind of
[1:32:05] framework for engagement. But if
[1:32:07] engagement is something that you'd like
[1:32:08] to talk about in the retreat, it may
[1:32:10] make sense to have that discussion at
[1:32:11] the retreat rather than at a presession
[1:32:13] kind of segregated. Yeah. So learning
[1:32:15] more about the National Civic League
[1:32:17] framework, talking a little bit about,
[1:32:19] you know, what the community engagement
[1:32:20] looks like today and what your ideas are
[1:32:22] for making that more robust over time.
[1:32:25] Um, you know, that that might be a nice
[1:32:27] one to put together at the retreat if
[1:32:29] you're interested. Otherwise, we'll run
[1:32:30] a preession ahead of time.
[1:32:32] >> Okay. Um, do you feel like you need to
[1:32:34] » Okay. Um, do you feel like you need to
[1:32:34] have it as a presession or can we
[1:32:37] compile this to the retreat?
[1:32:41] And I'm looking for your
[1:32:44] >> I think there are two options. We could
[1:32:46] » I think there are two options. We could
[1:32:46] actually have them facilitate and have
[1:32:48] us learn the system which could be fun
[1:32:51] and it also would be something that the
[1:32:53] public might see.
[1:32:54] >> Yeah. and and or have the conversation
[1:32:57] » Yeah. and and or have the conversation
[1:32:57] earlier and and then at at retreat
[1:33:00] >> either one
[1:33:01] » either one
[1:33:01] >> discuss you know how we might implement
[1:33:02] » discuss you know how we might implement
[1:33:02] that and maybe
[1:33:05] >> maybe both you know maybe we we try it
[1:33:08] » maybe both you know maybe we we try it
[1:33:08] out on ourselves makes ourselves the
[1:33:10] guinea pigs and then what we learn from
[1:33:12] that we say okay we think this would
[1:33:14] work in this arena or with these types
[1:33:16] of problems issues concerns
[1:33:19] >> so maybe we'll hold off on the preession
[1:33:22] » so maybe we'll hold off on the preession
[1:33:22] until scheduling a presession until
[1:33:24] after the retreat. Do cover this at the
[1:33:28] retreat and then we can figure out how
[1:33:30] we want to organize the presession.
[1:33:33] >> Let's decide if we're going to have a
[1:33:34] » Let's decide if we're going to have a
[1:33:34] facilitator or not.
[1:33:35] >> Okay?
[1:33:36] » Okay?
[1:33:36] >> Because I don't think we've decided that
[1:33:37] » Because I don't think we've decided that
[1:33:37] yet, but if we're going to have an
[1:33:39] external facilitator, I would like them
[1:33:41] to come in and and just introduce the
[1:33:42] topic to us. They don't have to
[1:33:44] facilitate.
[1:33:46] >> That would be number four. Is that kind
[1:33:48] » That would be number four. Is that kind
[1:33:48] of what I'm looking at? Okay.
[1:33:50] >> Yes.
[1:33:51] » Yes.
[1:33:51] >> So, thank you. Okay. Okay. And then now
[1:33:52] » So, thank you. Okay. Okay. And then now
[1:33:52] um Council Member Prietto,
[1:33:54] >> I don't know.
[1:33:57] » I don't know.
[1:33:57] >> I have two suggestions. Is Is this an
[1:33:59] » I have two suggestions. Is Is this an
[1:33:59] appropriate time?
[1:34:00] >> Yeah, go for it.
[1:34:01] » Yeah, go for it.
[1:34:01] >> Okay. Um so one of my suggestions is um
[1:34:04] » Okay. Um so one of my suggestions is um
[1:34:04] with potential federal funding cuts
[1:34:06] coming down the pipeline to some of the
[1:34:07] social service programs. Um I would like
[1:34:10] to add some human service discussions
[1:34:12] around funding programs and just a
[1:34:14] general overview of where Longmont
[1:34:15] stands in meeting some of the
[1:34:17] community's most basic needs. um
[1:34:20] specifically child care, eviction
[1:34:22] prevention, food access, etc. Um so
[1:34:25] that's one of them. Staff can just
[1:34:27] provide us a presentation or we can have
[1:34:28] a discussion maybe just let us know like
[1:34:31] this is what we're doing around child
[1:34:32] care. This is what we're doing and and
[1:34:34] of course including other um community
[1:34:37] stakeholders because of course the city
[1:34:38] of Longmont doesn't own
[1:34:40] >> um all of it. We're working with a lot
[1:34:42] » um all of it. We're working with a lot
[1:34:42] of community partners who are doing some
[1:34:44] really good work in the community. But
[1:34:45] just so we know as council where where
[1:34:48] do we need to focus our attention, where
[1:34:50] do we need to respond? And I'm hoping by
[1:34:53] then we'll know exactly what that impact
[1:34:55] looks like um to our community and and
[1:34:58] where the needs are.
[1:35:00] And then I have another suggestion if
[1:35:02] you want me to pause.
[1:35:03] >> Um so those two, so child care and
[1:35:06] » Um so those two, so child care and
[1:35:06] federal funding and what was
[1:35:08] >> uh eviction prevention access
[1:35:11] » uh eviction prevention access
[1:35:11] >> kind of the the the kind of the top. So
[1:35:14] » kind of the the the kind of the top. So
[1:35:14] it's so yeah. So, we're going to have
[1:35:15] federal impacts that are going to be
[1:35:17] >> uh impacting child care, um housing,
[1:35:21] » uh impacting child care, um housing,
[1:35:21] like so eviction prevention was one of
[1:35:23] the things I was thinking of and then
[1:35:24] food access.
[1:35:25] >> Food access. Oh yeah, that was the other
[1:35:27] » Food access. Oh yeah, that was the other
[1:35:27] one
[1:35:27] >> because I know that that is was
[1:35:28] » because I know that that is was
[1:35:28] identified as one of the needs on the um
[1:35:32] community survey.
[1:35:33] >> And then could that be incorporated in
[1:35:34] » And then could that be incorporated in
[1:35:34] part in number two, the reports,
[1:35:37] presentations?
[1:35:39] C
[1:35:39] >> it certainly could. I mean many of these
[1:35:42] » it certainly could. I mean many of these
[1:35:42] pieces, right? housing, early care, and
[1:35:44] you know, I think last year we added
[1:35:46] food and security as part of the council
[1:35:48] vision or security [laughter] as the
[1:35:51] vision. Um, and so I I do think that
[1:35:54] this is represented in the current work
[1:35:55] plan. Um, and and certainly could be
[1:35:57] discussed as part of that overview.
[1:35:59] >> Okay. No, that's that's good. It feels
[1:36:01] » Okay. No, that's that's good. It feels
[1:36:01] like a lot of that can be interwoven
[1:36:03] into other other parts, but um yes.
[1:36:06] Okay. Thank you. I I was going to try to
[1:36:08] Okay, number one. number two. But
[1:36:10] there's so many things where
[1:36:13] >> I'm kind of letting we're going to go
[1:36:14] » I'm kind of letting we're going to go
[1:36:14] organically a little bit. Council member
[1:36:17] Popkin.
[1:36:17] >> Oh, I had one.
[1:36:18] » Oh, I had one.
[1:36:18] >> Oh, I'm so sorry. I Yeah, I remember.
[1:36:20] » Oh, I'm so sorry. I Yeah, I remember.
[1:36:20] >> And then just a really small portion of
[1:36:23] » And then just a really small portion of
[1:36:23] our retreat to talk a little bit about
[1:36:26] uh just efficiencies, council
[1:36:28] efficiencies and work efficiencies on
[1:36:30] and how we function.
[1:36:33] Um, you know, there's just a lot of
[1:36:36] little kind of suggestions and areas
[1:36:38] that I think that we could improve
[1:36:40] administratively to help us, you know,
[1:36:43] respond more efficiently, you know, get
[1:36:47] uh residents answers to questions more
[1:36:50] efficiently. And so, just a small
[1:36:52] portion just to kind of talk about like
[1:36:53] what are those priorities, what does it
[1:36:54] look like, come to an agreement, and
[1:36:56] then make a move on those.
[1:36:57] >> Okay.
[1:36:58] » Okay.
[1:36:58] >> Yeah.
[1:37:00] » Yeah.
[1:37:00] And then I'll let you kind of decide if
[1:37:03] that's something because that that'll be
[1:37:04] our conversation, but kind of where it
[1:37:06] where would it embed in the
[1:37:08] >> I can see where that where that also
[1:37:09] » I can see where that where that also
[1:37:09] comes. You know, if we spent some time
[1:37:12] first of all learning about our
[1:37:13] leadership styles and how we work better
[1:37:15] with each other and how do we
[1:37:16] communicate with each other and then
[1:37:17] maybe move that into how do we have
[1:37:19] efficient meetings? um you know that
[1:37:22] that kind of piece and see how the civic
[1:37:23] league work um also fits into that
[1:37:26] because I think the idea of trying it on
[1:37:28] ourselves trying it on yourselves um you
[1:37:31] know might fit into that as well. So
[1:37:32] kind of one segment around that, right?
[1:37:35] Council um operations efficiencies and
[1:37:38] knowing each other. One segment on staff
[1:37:40] capacities um and things like that.
[1:37:43] >> One with some presentations, fire, a
[1:37:45] » One with some presentations, fire, a
[1:37:45] Sundance update and you know and maybe a
[1:37:48] brief council work plan update. You'll
[1:37:49] have all that all the deep dive. We'll
[1:37:51] have it all written so so that it's not
[1:37:53] huge long presentations but we could
[1:37:55] certainly give some short updates as
[1:37:56] well.
[1:37:57] >> Okay, great. Thank you. Now
[1:37:59] » Okay, great. Thank you. Now
[1:37:59] >> sorry. So, like the federal funding
[1:38:00] » sorry. So, like the federal funding
[1:38:00] piece, um, that's something that is part
[1:38:03] of the work plan and so we can update
[1:38:04] the work plan and you can have a good
[1:38:06] chunk of that deep dive information
[1:38:07] ahead of time.
[1:38:09] >> Yeah.
[1:38:09] » Yeah.
[1:38:09] >> Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council
[1:38:11] » Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council
[1:38:11] Member Popkin.
[1:38:13] >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank
[1:38:14] » Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank
[1:38:14] you, Sandy, and and my fellow council
[1:38:16] members for all the ideas so far. Um,
[1:38:18] you actually just addressed maybe two or
[1:38:20] three of my suggestions, which I would
[1:38:22] say a plus one on like in some ways a
[1:38:24] pre-eread on some of these upformational
[1:38:27] updates. I think would allow us to kind
[1:38:29] of uh fulfill the spirit of Council
[1:38:31] Member Mars's suggestion, which I
[1:38:33] actually fully agree with. I'd love to
[1:38:34] have more space for us to all I I feel
[1:38:37] like that's a a limited commodity is
[1:38:39] space when we can actually all discuss
[1:38:41] freely together. Um, and you know, we
[1:38:44] aren't worried about pushing 11:00 at
[1:38:46] night. Um so uh would would very much
[1:38:49] welcome that and then still appreciate
[1:38:51] theformational items so we can have the
[1:38:53] most informed discussion possible. Um so
[1:38:55] that just speaks to kind of more uh
[1:38:57] presentation information or other
[1:38:59] updates as like a council com ahead of
[1:39:02] time where possible. [clears throat]
[1:39:03] Um, plus one on Sundance, though I'd
[1:39:05] take a slightly uh I have a slightly
[1:39:09] different perspective on on the
[1:39:10] opportunity of Sundance than uh the
[1:39:12] mayor prom on this and that maybe
[1:39:13] there's some more opportunities that we
[1:39:15] aren't fully uh utilizing. And I think
[1:39:17] having that discussion kind of in real
[1:39:20] time in March would be productive even
[1:39:22] if it's not fully realized by next
[1:39:24] January. This is a 10-year program at
[1:39:27] least or commitment to the region. So
[1:39:29] thinking about how do we grow into this
[1:39:31] um and what what we should be looking
[1:39:32] for I would
[1:39:34] >> okay
[1:39:34] » okay
[1:39:34] >> um the uh second thinking about the
[1:39:38] » um the uh second thinking about the
[1:39:38] vision of like what's our kind of vision
[1:39:40] for the airport as a council um and
[1:39:46] uh up plus one um what uh council member
[1:39:49] Prito was suggesting too on like how we
[1:39:51] work together efficiently um I think you
[1:39:53] actually asked me a question kind of as
[1:39:55] we were joining the new term saying like
[1:39:57] what happens when we get emails and
[1:40:00] do se are seven people responding in
[1:40:02] different ways. Are are we like tag
[1:40:05] teaming this because of open meetings
[1:40:07] laws and and like we can't all be on
[1:40:09] multiple things. So maybe there's a way
[1:40:10] we can um better like say like hey this
[1:40:14] pair works on this issue or this like
[1:40:16] this word and this at large pair will
[1:40:18] respond on most of these issues some
[1:40:19] something like that. I don't know what
[1:40:20] the answer is, but um I think that would
[1:40:22] be a great way to like a great time to
[1:40:24] try to figure out what's the optimal way
[1:40:25] we can uh collaborate or support each
[1:40:27] other on that so that we're not stepping
[1:40:29] on toes or sending mixed messages.
[1:40:31] >> I'm going to tell you, I've been here
[1:40:32] » I'm going to tell you, I've been here
[1:40:32] since 2019 and I still don't know.
[1:40:35] [laughter]
[1:40:36] >> Has it been a retreat item before?
[1:40:37] » Has it been a retreat item before?
[1:40:37] >> It has never been. So, I I thoroughly
[1:40:40] » It has never been. So, I I thoroughly
[1:40:40] [laughter]
[1:40:41] support that idea. I I want answers.
[1:40:44] >> Excellent. Um I'll also second the
[1:40:46] » Excellent. Um I'll also second the
[1:40:46] regional resilience discussion. um maybe
[1:40:48] beyond just fire mitigation and thinking
[1:40:50] more about um we we get a lot of
[1:40:52] questions about water as well. And I
[1:40:54] think just having that kind of open
[1:40:55] discussion about like hey what how are
[1:40:58] we with the natural resource situation
[1:40:59] that we're in and the overall kind of
[1:41:02] regional climate and what are we facing
[1:41:03] and what kind of challenges are we
[1:41:04] prepared for and what's kind of you know
[1:41:07] more of a an ambition in terms of
[1:41:10] preparedness.
[1:41:12] Um, and then the last two things I'll
[1:41:14] put on the table here. Um, one as an
[1:41:16] activity or exercise potentially given
[1:41:18] what I've heard from my colleagues, um,
[1:41:20] I might suggest that whether it's Sandy
[1:41:22] or the facilitation team look into the
[1:41:23] how now wow exercise which allows uh,
[1:41:26] folks to work together and figure out
[1:41:28] hey what are we trying to do now or what
[1:41:30] do we know how to do now? What are we um
[1:41:34] figuring out how to do but we can do is
[1:41:36] within our capacity and what do we not
[1:41:38] know how to do but really want to do.
[1:41:40] Um, and it's kind of a nice way to
[1:41:41] bucket different goals, um, or
[1:41:43] priorities. Um,
[1:41:46] and then I think the last thing I just
[1:41:48] really want to offer on the table that I
[1:41:50] didn't see anywhere else is thinking
[1:41:52] about what our vision is for, you know,
[1:41:54] we've had some discussions in LA urban
[1:41:56] renewal authority and in city council a
[1:41:58] little bit, but what is our vision for
[1:42:00] the first and main area like fully and
[1:42:03] and how do we make that I mean that that
[1:42:04] might be one of the most significant uh
[1:42:07] local development uh efforts that's
[1:42:10] happening. And I think having a clear
[1:42:11] understanding of what what are we all
[1:42:13] staff council working towards there um
[1:42:17] for clarity for the community. So,
[1:42:19] >> so and that last one I would assume
[1:42:22] » so and that last one I would assume
[1:42:22] that's going to be going on to number
[1:42:24] one where we're looking at our work
[1:42:26] plan. We're looking at our our goals and
[1:42:28] I think you know there it's related to
[1:42:31] kind of
[1:42:31] >> how I I'm just kind of thinking about
[1:42:33] » how I I'm just kind of thinking about
[1:42:33] how can we embed some of these topics so
[1:42:35] they're not isolated but just kind of
[1:42:37] interwoven in things that we're we're
[1:42:39] covering. So it's not and and how are
[1:42:42] you feeling like you're looking at this
[1:42:43] list and
[1:42:44] >> yeah I think I think if we could offer a
[1:42:46] » yeah I think I think if we could offer a
[1:42:46] lot of pre-work for the council I think
[1:42:48] that would be helpful.
[1:42:49] >> Okay.
[1:42:49] » Okay.
[1:42:49] >> Um I know I spent a year of my life
[1:42:51] » Um I know I spent a year of my life
[1:42:51] working on the first and main uh
[1:42:53] visioning exercise and the main street
[1:42:55] corridor project and listening to the
[1:42:56] community and so there's such great
[1:42:58] information already out there. Yes.
[1:43:00] >> Um that that that work as a foundation
[1:43:02] » Um that that that work as a foundation
[1:43:02] and stepping stone. And so um the same
[1:43:04] thing with the airport that I found an
[1:43:06] old airport business plan the day. I'm
[1:43:07] like these are all the things we're
[1:43:09] talking about. Huh. Okay. Um and so, you
[1:43:11] know, if we can provide some of that
[1:43:13] depth in the packet for council, then
[1:43:16] hopefully we could reduce um you know,
[1:43:18] the presentation side of it and have
[1:43:20] more discussion coming from the
[1:43:21] springboard because where it gets tough
[1:43:22] is when people are brainstorming things
[1:43:24] that have already been
[1:43:25] >> vetted and discussed in the community.
[1:43:27] » vetted and discussed in the community.
[1:43:27] So, if if we can provide that as a
[1:43:29] foundation for you to be able to take it
[1:43:31] from there, I think we could
[1:43:32] >> that would be very
[1:43:33] » that would be very
[1:43:33] >> reduce the staff presentations and still
[1:43:34] » reduce the staff presentations and still
[1:43:34] honor all of the work already been done.
[1:43:36] >> Honor the work that's already been done.
[1:43:38] » Honor the work that's already been done.
[1:43:38] And then by that time we would be able
[1:43:39] to sit on this, reflect on it and have
[1:43:42] our own discussion where you're just
[1:43:44] kind of getting your popcorn and
[1:43:45] watching it [laughter]
[1:43:47] watching the sparks fly. Um, Council
[1:43:49] Member Colover,
[1:43:52] >> I really appreciate what Council Member
[1:43:53] » I really appreciate what Council Member
[1:43:53] Prito said. Um, because yes, the looking
[1:43:56] at all of the emails, it is very
[1:43:58] confusing who's doing what. So, I really
[1:44:00] applaud that. I also want to add on the
[1:44:02] the federal budget crisis that we're in
[1:44:05] and I don't want to water down the very
[1:44:07] important topics that she brought up,
[1:44:08] but I know there's a lot of other
[1:44:09] departments in the city that are waiting
[1:44:11] on funding to come through that have
[1:44:13] been paused. I know Vision Zero is also
[1:44:15] seeing some of those funding. Um, so I
[1:44:18] don't know if we can have a highlevel
[1:44:20] overview of all of the grants that we're
[1:44:23] waiting on and then maybe we can deep
[1:44:25] dive on some of the ones that we we
[1:44:27] select that are really important. But I
[1:44:28] think it'd be nice to have a very high
[1:44:30] level of this is what it looks like on a
[1:44:32] on a federal level for all these
[1:44:34] different departments and then deep dive
[1:44:36] into those really important topics. Um
[1:44:38] when it comes to Sundance, I would love
[1:44:39] to see like Visit Longmont come and give
[1:44:42] us some information on what they're
[1:44:44] working on just so we can get up to
[1:44:46] speed and we're all rowing together. Um
[1:44:48] just so we're not stepping on their toes
[1:44:50] and we're not um kind of colliding
[1:44:52] together. Um, so it'd be nice to invite
[1:44:54] also some of our boards or outside
[1:44:56] boards to present as well if that's
[1:44:57] possible. Um, and then when it comes to
[1:45:00] uh team building, I've done insights
[1:45:02] discovery. I'm not suggesting that we do
[1:45:04] that, but um, it's something really good
[1:45:05] where we can learn um, different
[1:45:07] personalities and how to communicate
[1:45:09] with each other. Thank you.
[1:45:11] >> Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then,
[1:45:14] » Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then,
[1:45:14] you know, adding on and I I couldn't
[1:45:16] remember what I there was something I
[1:45:18] wanted to ask and I could not remember
[1:45:21] what it was and it sparked a memory to
[1:45:24] add LDDDA to the conversation as well.
[1:45:27] >> The the Sundance the Sundance
[1:45:29] » The the Sundance the Sundance
[1:45:29] conversation.
[1:45:29] >> Um, not necessar. Yeah. just in general
[1:45:32] » Um, not necessar. Yeah. just in general
[1:45:32] like really building you know since my
[1:45:35] start on council and and we've try I've
[1:45:38] made efforts I've tried and there there
[1:45:41] seems to be a disconnect between
[1:45:42] business and council what we're moving
[1:45:45] forward and I think it's just that lack
[1:45:48] of opportunity to have discussion so it
[1:45:52] you know being able to bring in LDDA um
[1:45:56] visit long lDA and visit Longmont and
[1:45:59] LEDp to into the conversation and, you
[1:46:02] know, have them
[1:46:04] kind of weigh in on what what they're
[1:46:06] seeing, what their reality is, and
[1:46:08] making sure that we're not, you know,
[1:46:10] unintentionally making, you know, moving
[1:46:13] forward on priorities that that hurt
[1:46:15] small business. Um, Council Member, um,
[1:46:20] Marcine, go ahead.
[1:46:21] >> Thank you, Mayor. Just and I, we've kind
[1:46:23] » Thank you, Mayor. Just and I, we've kind
[1:46:23] of discussed it. Just a conceptual
[1:46:25] question for staff and for, you know,
[1:46:28] you, Mayor, and others who've been
[1:46:29] through the process. Council member
[1:46:30] Chris, member Chair McCoy, who who've
[1:46:31] kind of because I'm I'm sitting here and
[1:46:33] we've got the, you know, the 2023
[1:46:34] council priorities chart here. And all
[1:46:37] of these are still, you know, ECE is
[1:46:39] still a a crisis for working families in
[1:46:41] our community. And I think any of us
[1:46:43] could sit down and say, you know, what
[1:46:45] are the three issues that you most want
[1:46:47] to talk about or discuss in our retreat?
[1:46:49] And that's and we and we would probably
[1:46:51] come up with a lot of the same ones, but
[1:46:52] we'd all maybe bring something a little
[1:46:54] bit different to the table. So, I guess
[1:46:55] my question is just process-wise,
[1:46:58] conceptually that you're talking about
[1:47:00] that work plan work that occurs. I guess
[1:47:04] if you can just tell me talk to me a
[1:47:06] little bit about how that has occurred
[1:47:07] in the past and how we together can get
[1:47:10] to you know that collaborative
[1:47:13] conversation around these core issues
[1:47:15] because I think so you you get what I'm
[1:47:18] I'm asking is is how do we how do we go
[1:47:20] about that and what does that work
[1:47:23] ultimately entail to get us to a place
[1:47:25] where we can update these things where
[1:47:26] we have an understanding of what are all
[1:47:28] what are the three issues that we all
[1:47:30] nail into. if you can just quickly kind
[1:47:32] of help me understand that a little bit.
[1:47:34] >> Yeah, that's a that's a great question.
[1:47:35] » Yeah, that's a that's a great question.
[1:47:35] Um, Mayor Huggle Fairing and Council
[1:47:37] Member Marcen, if you take a look at
[1:47:39] that chart, at the very base of that is
[1:47:40] core services. And so, part of it is
[1:47:43] rooting everybody in. This is the 90%
[1:47:45] 95% of the things that we do every day
[1:47:47] to provide public safety, to provide
[1:47:50] quality of life services and um
[1:47:52] infrastructure to the community. And
[1:47:54] just letting folks know that that's what
[1:47:55] it is and these are the things we're
[1:47:56] facing this next year so that you have
[1:47:58] that in mind in the back of your head.
[1:48:00] Then as you moved up um equity, safety,
[1:48:02] and sustainability. This is kind of how
[1:48:04] we do this work. So it's something just
[1:48:05] to kind of keep in mind as you're
[1:48:06] working through um you know your um your
[1:48:10] planning. And then the three pillars,
[1:48:12] right? Housing for all, the uh early
[1:48:14] childhood care and education and
[1:48:16] transportation. Those are huge topics
[1:48:19] and there could be seven billion
[1:48:20] projects that go under each of those.
[1:48:22] And so prior councils have chosen
[1:48:24] specific projects that they've wanted to
[1:48:26] focus on. I would assume this council
[1:48:28] would do the same and have some
[1:48:29] conversation around are these three
[1:48:31] still the right pillars for this council
[1:48:34] and what are the things that you're
[1:48:36] interested in accomplishing during the
[1:48:37] time in which you are a council and how
[1:48:39] does that look um a part of that is also
[1:48:42] the places and amenities uh that the
[1:48:44] reason that's a roof on this little
[1:48:46] graphic is because you know it it is the
[1:48:48] stuff that kind of encompasses right so
[1:48:50] when you are talking about
[1:48:51] transportation you're talking about
[1:48:52] first and main but you're also talking
[1:48:54] about placemaking and the amenities that
[1:48:56] are going to come with that and so
[1:48:57] ensuring that the places that we are
[1:48:59] planning um are in congruence with the
[1:49:01] council's priorities. Um and then
[1:49:03] [clears throat] behind that is the
[1:49:04] climate action side. There was a
[1:49:06] realization from past council that we
[1:49:08] aren't the only ones that are going to
[1:49:09] affect the climate but we do have an
[1:49:12] effect on the climate and
[1:49:13] [clears throat] so ensuring that some of
[1:49:14] the council goals that we have towards
[1:49:16] renewable energy um and sustainability
[1:49:18] are in mind as you are going through the
[1:49:21] planning. So how we have done it in the
[1:49:23] past have varied depending on how the
[1:49:25] council wants to look at it. But I think
[1:49:27] the first real question is are these
[1:49:28] still the right three pillars for this
[1:49:31] council. If the answer is yes and we
[1:49:34] will show you anyway. Here's all the
[1:49:35] stuff we've done under these so that you
[1:49:37] can see kind of where we are and in some
[1:49:39] cases we are mid- project in some of
[1:49:41] these. Um and so I I believe the council
[1:49:44] still wants us to continue and finish
[1:49:45] those projects. But now taking a look to
[1:49:48] the next piece understanding this is
[1:49:50] where the core services are. this is
[1:49:51] where the capacity is. Where would this
[1:49:54] council like to focus during your time?
[1:49:56] And that's going to be critical because
[1:49:58] we can't do everything. So to understand
[1:50:00] what the priority is for this council is
[1:50:02] what we would try to get through through
[1:50:04] facilitation techniques and
[1:50:05] brainstorming.
[1:50:06] >> Yeah. And then what that does is lead us
[1:50:08] » Yeah. And then what that does is lead us
[1:50:08] into so when we talk about a capacity
[1:50:11] conversation, it's not just a physical
[1:50:14] capacity to get the work done. It's do
[1:50:16] you have the financial capacity to do
[1:50:18] it? Because
[1:50:20] >> your financial resources are always
[1:50:23] » your financial resources are always
[1:50:23] going to be the guiding princip piece on
[1:50:25] this because
[1:50:27] >> do you have enough money to do all these
[1:50:28] » do you have enough money to do all these
[1:50:28] things? What are the different financing
[1:50:30] buckets that you have to look at?
[1:50:31] Because
[1:50:33] those two things start driving a lot of
[1:50:36] decisions in terms of where you move
[1:50:39] because the more you dilute the
[1:50:42] financial capacity, the less you're
[1:50:44] actually able to do.
[1:50:46] um because you're putting more money
[1:50:48] into multiple things and it makes it
[1:50:50] more difficult to solve the that piece
[1:50:53] of the puzzle. So that's the capacity
[1:50:56] conversation that we'll need to talk
[1:50:58] about. And you know the core services
[1:51:00] portion of this I think um I've done a
[1:51:02] lot of strategic planning where everyone
[1:51:04] is thinking of okay what do we want to
[1:51:06] see in the future vision which is great
[1:51:07] but if you don't recognize that a huge
[1:51:10] portion in fact most of the work that
[1:51:11] the city does is to provide clean water
[1:51:14] >> reliable electricity trash services fire
[1:51:17] » reliable electricity trash services fire
[1:51:17] and police services if you if there's
[1:51:18] not that recognition then then we are
[1:51:21] stretching the capacity way too thin as
[1:51:23] Harold reminded me when he first started
[1:51:24] here. [laughter]
[1:51:28] Okay. Um, very good. Thank you. Um,
[1:51:34] Mayor Prom McCoy.
[1:51:37] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I I'm looking at a
[1:51:39] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, I I'm looking at a
[1:51:39] calendar here and I'm thinking about how
[1:51:42] uh it's it's kind of a shame that uh
[1:51:45] Council Member PTO and and Council
[1:51:47] Member Koffers points to the um grants
[1:51:52] and things like that. Uh and this
[1:51:54] conversation that we're talking about
[1:51:56] having uh around um you know our our new
[1:52:00] priorities or potentially new priorities
[1:52:03] uh couldn't have come earlier because
[1:52:05] just literally the week before many of
[1:52:08] us might be going to the National League
[1:52:10] of Cities conference and wanting to kind
[1:52:12] of make sure that we're getting the
[1:52:14] right message out to uh our um
[1:52:19] representatives [snorts]
[1:52:20] in Washington. uh and the message that
[1:52:23] we want as a as a collective council,
[1:52:26] not not not after the fact. I just it's
[1:52:30] a bummer that uh and there's no changing
[1:52:33] it now, but there's just no uh it's a
[1:52:36] shame that we couldn't have had somehow
[1:52:38] conversations about those uh things
[1:52:41] because those are the things that as we
[1:52:43] move forward and as we go to uh to talk
[1:52:46] to members of uh of Congress and uh and
[1:52:49] also talk to other communities about how
[1:52:52] they're uh handling these challenges
[1:52:55] uh would be seriously beneficial. to the
[1:52:59] the overall uh positive and and success
[1:53:04] of of this council. So, uh I don't know
[1:53:07] how to change that, Sandy. I just uh
[1:53:11] think that it's kind of something that
[1:53:12] as we proceed maybe there's some way of
[1:53:16] of seeing how we
[1:53:19] how we can
[1:53:21] get a a a working plan going forward so
[1:53:25] that people h are relatively on what we
[1:53:29] think people's priorities will be.
[1:53:32] >> We we could certainly provide the list
[1:53:33] » We we could certainly provide the list
[1:53:33] of grants that you all were talking
[1:53:35] about um you know the the federal grants
[1:53:37] that we're reliant on or that we're
[1:53:38] waiting on. We could certainly provide
[1:53:40] that well before the retreat before we
[1:53:41] could provide it for NLC if you would
[1:53:43] drive
[1:53:43] >> and also city's priorities for getting
[1:53:45] » and also city's priorities for getting
[1:53:45] those things forward.
[1:53:47] >> So, and are you um I I do have a
[1:53:50] » So, and are you um I I do have a
[1:53:50] follow-up question. So, are you
[1:53:52] referencing
[1:53:54] um kind of taking what
[1:53:57] are what we're getting out of our
[1:53:59] council retreat in this discussion on
[1:54:01] federal funding to be able to take it to
[1:54:04] the um National League of Cities. So my
[1:54:08] wondering is if we during our council
[1:54:11] retreat, you know, allotted some time
[1:54:15] for council to update the rest of
[1:54:18] council on um what we went through at
[1:54:21] the um at the NLC conference and then
[1:54:25] kind of come to a consensus. Okay, this
[1:54:28] is what we want to advocate for. I mean,
[1:54:30] I've hours on the phone with our
[1:54:33] Congress people and, you know, I'm
[1:54:35] getting to the point where I'm calling
[1:54:36] other state Congress people and, you
[1:54:38] know, [laughter]
[1:54:40] just so you know, at least if we can
[1:54:42] come together on a consensus and
[1:54:44] messaging, then, you know, we take what
[1:54:47] we've learned from National League of
[1:54:49] Cities, what are have some conversation
[1:54:52] around that, come up with what our
[1:54:54] priorities are and how we can advocate
[1:54:56] that, you know, via phone call or email
[1:54:58] to our Congress. Congress people.
[1:55:01] >> Okay. Um well that and that would be led
[1:55:04] » Okay. Um well that and that would be led
[1:55:04] by us, not not you guys. Um Council
[1:55:06] Member Popkin.
[1:55:07] >> Yeah. Thank you. Just to also piggyback
[1:55:09] » Yeah. Thank you. Just to also piggyback
[1:55:09] on this discussion. So um just speaking
[1:55:11] from experience as as someone who's led
[1:55:13] delegations of other city council
[1:55:14] sometimes in DC. That's one of the less
[1:55:17] in from my professional opinion that's
[1:55:19] one of the less effective weeks to
[1:55:21] actually really do a coordinated
[1:55:22] lobbying effort because everyone's
[1:55:23] there. And so what I'd actually suggest
[1:55:26] is we have a discussion when we're and
[1:55:27] I've seen a couple nods there. And so
[1:55:30] what I might suggest is I I really do
[1:55:32] appreciate um the point that Mayor Prom
[1:55:34] McCoy is making though. And I'm
[1:55:35] wondering is this a better topic for
[1:55:37] maybe a presession or a study session
[1:55:39] earlier in the year than and maybe a
[1:55:42] follow- on and retreat through NLC so we
[1:55:44] can all go into NLC productively and
[1:55:47] then maybe think about a coordinated
[1:55:49] separate depending on depending on what
[1:55:51] our federal resource agenda might be or
[1:55:54] state then we have a more cohesive
[1:55:56] strategy and figure out when's the when
[1:55:58] is the right time to have a delegation
[1:56:00] from the city go and do this then it's
[1:56:03] much more intentional and oriented I
[1:56:04] think around the strategic goals that
[1:56:06] you had in mind and
[1:56:09] maybe maybe it's informed by retreat,
[1:56:11] maybe it's uh kind of maybe we're
[1:56:13] helping inform retreat.
[1:56:15] >> Yeah.
[1:56:16] » Yeah.
[1:56:16] >> So, do do we still want to all lot some
[1:56:18] » So, do do we still want to all lot some
[1:56:18] time on our retreat to have this
[1:56:19] discussion?
[1:56:20] >> Well, I think what I'm what I'm trying
[1:56:22] » Well, I think what I'm what I'm trying
[1:56:22] trying to get at is is there does it
[1:56:24] make sense based on what what uh
[1:56:27] resources we have in our crosshairs at
[1:56:29] this moment
[1:56:30] >> to do something sooner? If not, then we
[1:56:33] » to do something sooner? If not, then we
[1:56:33] can maybe do it at retreat or after. But
[1:56:35] I think either way, we should have a
[1:56:37] cohesive discussion about how do we best
[1:56:40] advocate for the resources that we need.
[1:56:42] >> Okay. Yeah. And I'm just kind of
[1:56:43] » Okay. Yeah. And I'm just kind of
[1:56:43] thinking maybe that's something down the
[1:56:45] line. I just want to get what's on the
[1:56:46] retreat right now. So,
[1:56:48] >> well, and but if it can be on a
[1:56:49] » well, and but if it can be on a
[1:56:49] presession or study session before, then
[1:56:50] we take
[1:56:51] >> And I'm wondering, this is where I'm
[1:56:52] » And I'm wondering, this is where I'm
[1:56:52] going to kick it back to to Harold and
[1:56:54] [clears throat] staff. I mean, we're
[1:56:56] running out of days. [laughter]
[1:56:58] >> I think that's true. um Mayor Hoggo
[1:57:00] » I think that's true. um Mayor Hoggo
[1:57:00] Fairing, but I do wonder how many of
[1:57:01] these could be study sessions as opposed
[1:57:03] to retreat discussion discussions.
[1:57:06] >> Um you know, when when I look at it, I
[1:57:09] » Um you know, when when I look at it, I
[1:57:09] mean, it seems to me like
[1:57:11] >> um perhaps the fire and and regional
[1:57:13] » um perhaps the fire and and regional
[1:57:13] resilience could be more of like a
[1:57:14] single study session topic or one of two
[1:57:17] or something like that.
[1:57:18] >> Um and the same thing with Sundance. um
[1:57:21] » Um and the same thing with Sundance. um
[1:57:21] you know I I understand there may want
[1:57:22] to be some brainstorming and so maybe
[1:57:24] that does lend itself better for the
[1:57:25] retreat but
[1:57:27] >> um you know they seem a little bit more
[1:57:28] » um you know they seem a little bit more
[1:57:28] isolated. It does make sense for you all
[1:57:30] to come back from NLC and share your
[1:57:32] learnings. I think that's important and
[1:57:34] that could be part of the retreat. Then
[1:57:35] you determine what your priorities are
[1:57:37] and then we take those priorities and
[1:57:38] lobby them. That's that's kind of what I
[1:57:40] have done in the past that seems to work
[1:57:42] and not necessarily even going to DC as
[1:57:45] much as just inviting our legislators
[1:57:47] here. They come they like Longmont.
[1:57:49] Yeah.
[1:57:49] >> So when we invite them, uh, they do come
[1:57:51] » So when we invite them, uh, they do come
[1:57:51] and we can speak to them much more
[1:57:53] specifically that way.
[1:57:54] >> Yeah.
[1:57:56] » Yeah.
[1:57:56] >> I think would that help because I I
[1:57:58] » I think would that help because I I
[1:57:58] would like and I'm kind of trying to
[1:58:00] think, you know, once we throw
[1:58:01] everything out on the table, then we can
[1:58:03] kind of
[1:58:04] >> pick and choose, okay, what would be
[1:58:06] » pick and choose, okay, what would be
[1:58:06] better for an open retreat conversation
[1:58:09] and what would be more conducive to just
[1:58:12] having it be part of a study session or
[1:58:15] go ahead. and we can break this up and
[1:58:17] we can get a look at it and what's
[1:58:18] really operationally driven and what
[1:58:20] makes more sense in the study session,
[1:58:21] what's really more policy driven that
[1:58:24] makes more sense in the retreat. And
[1:58:27] then to Sandy's point, you know, when we
[1:58:29] look at the Sundance conversation, a
[1:58:32] they're pretty specific in terms of what
[1:58:34] they want us to talk about, how they
[1:58:36] want us to talk about it, and they're
[1:58:37] really driving it. And it may be that
[1:58:39] that may be actually more conducive to a
[1:58:41] study session down the road once they
[1:58:44] get more clarity because
[1:58:46] >> they're still trying to do their event
[1:58:49] » they're still trying to do their event
[1:58:49] and then bring it forward.
[1:58:52] >> They've been pretty clear with us to say
[1:58:55] » They've been pretty clear with us to say
[1:58:55] >> there's words and I'm looking to Jen if
[1:58:58] » there's words and I'm looking to Jen if
[1:58:58] Jyn's around.
[1:59:00] >> Oh no.
[1:59:00] » Oh no.
[1:59:00] >> I think there's
[1:59:01] » I think there's
[1:59:01] >> Oh, there
[1:59:02] » Oh, there
[1:59:02] >> words that we can use, words that we
[1:59:04] » words that we can use, words that we
[1:59:04] can't use. I mean it's
[1:59:05] >> Mhm.
[1:59:07] » Mhm.
[1:59:07] >> Yeah.
[1:59:07] » Yeah.
[1:59:07] >> a prescription. It's we're really taking
[1:59:09] » a prescription. It's we're really taking
[1:59:09] the lead from them to support them.
[1:59:11] >> Yes. [laughter]
[1:59:12] » Yes. [laughter]
[1:59:12] >> And that may be more conducive
[1:59:14] » And that may be more conducive
[1:59:14] >> to have maybe a brief presentation on
[1:59:16] » to have maybe a brief presentation on
[1:59:16] here's what we're doing now that we know
[1:59:18] of.
[1:59:20] >> We'll know more June or July and then
[1:59:23] » We'll know more June or July and then
[1:59:23] that may be more robust conversation. Is
[1:59:26] that a
[1:59:26] >> Yeah, I think that's fair. I just was
[1:59:28] » Yeah, I think that's fair. I just was
[1:59:28] going to say generally Sundance really
[1:59:30] has to sign off on any use of Sundance
[1:59:34] um in terms of marketing and um events
[1:59:37] that are surrounding. Um so that's
[1:59:39] really just the the main component, but
[1:59:42] we can certainly provide more
[1:59:43] information at whichever time you'd like
[1:59:46] either as part of the um retreat or part
[1:59:50] of a work session.
[1:59:51] >> Okay. No, and I thank you for that. I
[1:59:54] » Okay. No, and I thank you for that. I
[1:59:54] couldn't if I was Harold and owned a
[1:59:56] business say I'm doing this
[1:59:58] >> Sundance
[2:00:00] » Sundance
[2:00:00] >> event without them signing off on it.
[2:00:02] » event without them signing off on it.
[2:00:02] And I think
[2:00:04] >> everyone's waiting on that. I think
[2:00:05] » everyone's waiting on that. I think
[2:00:05] Boulder's really still at the forefront
[2:00:07] of this too.
[2:00:09] >> Um Council Member McCoy's conversation.
[2:00:12] » Um Council Member McCoy's conversation.
[2:00:12] And I think there's over 10 years
[2:00:15] opportunities, but I think right now is
[2:00:19] it's in its infancy stage and
[2:00:21] >> yes,
[2:00:22] » yes,
[2:00:22] >> we need to watch them a little bit. But
[2:00:25] » we need to watch them a little bit. But
[2:00:25] I think we'll have more later. I think
[2:00:27] we'll have more later.
[2:00:28] >> Okay. Thank you for pointing that out. I
[2:00:29] » Okay. Thank you for pointing that out. I
[2:00:29] just, you know, I want us to be a good
[2:00:30] partner in this and um you know, and I
[2:00:33] know there's a lot of excitement around
[2:00:34] that. So, um I I think, you know, if we
[2:00:37] follow your lead and um I think Jen's
[2:00:40] already, you know, getting the
[2:00:42] information we need and then eventually
[2:00:44] get a an update when the time is right.
[2:00:47] And I accidentally turned off your mic.
[2:00:50] Go ahead, Council Member Brietto.
[2:00:52] >> Sorry, I I only had the two, but then we
[2:00:55] » Sorry, I I only had the two, but then we
[2:00:55] were talking and something came to mind
[2:00:57] and I don't know necessarily if it's
[2:00:58] like a framework in which we use or an
[2:01:01] agenda item at the retreat. I think
[2:01:04] you'll tell me right now, Sandy. Um, but
[2:01:09] I couldn't help but to think, um,
[2:01:13] [clears throat] during my campaign, I
[2:01:14] spoke a lot about
[2:01:17] how different systems come together and
[2:01:19] how a lot of the time cities have the
[2:01:21] resources they need
[2:01:24] for you to meet the needs of the
[2:01:26] community. It's there's just a lack of
[2:01:30] connection connecting those systems. Um,
[2:01:33] and I know like a lot of nonprofits,
[2:01:34] there's a lot of conversations between
[2:01:36] cities and nonprofits and community
[2:01:37] partners and schools around like how do
[2:01:40] we resource share? How do we come
[2:01:41] together? And I think that's something
[2:01:43] that I'm new though, so I don't correct
[2:01:46] me if I'm wrong, that maybe the city's
[2:01:48] lacking or a lot of places are lacking
[2:01:50] because no one has the time or energy to
[2:01:53] put toward that to actually make those
[2:01:55] connections. Um and so and then I also
[2:01:58] want to note like Harold when I was in
[2:02:01] my campaign I went to the uh state of
[2:02:03] the city and Harold talked about systems
[2:02:05] and connecting those systems and so I
[2:02:07] was like he speaks my language you know
[2:02:10] and so
[2:02:12] I don't I don't know how to put that
[2:02:15] into the agenda but I want to make sure
[2:02:18] that that language is there or that
[2:02:20] framework or maybe it becomes one of the
[2:02:23] priorities for the city is really
[2:02:26] connecting these systems within the city
[2:02:29] to meet the community need
[2:02:32] especially since we're in a moment of
[2:02:34] time where there's potential loss of
[2:02:35] funding etc etc but I don't you you
[2:02:39] would probably know better where we can
[2:02:40] kind of put that in there
[2:02:41] >> thinking
[2:02:42] » thinking
[2:02:42] >> yeah I feel like I've heard that several
[2:02:44] » yeah I feel like I've heard that several
[2:02:44] times from council members around
[2:02:46] connecting with the community like you
[2:02:48] know really making sure that we either
[2:02:50] have events or systems or ways so that
[2:02:51] we can really connect with the community
[2:02:53] whether that's individuals that maybe
[2:02:54] you haven't heard from traditionally or
[2:02:56] whether that's this you know kind of
[2:02:58] this bigger picture systems thinking
[2:02:59] aspect that you're thinking of. So I I
[2:03:01] can see where that would you know
[2:03:03] certainly fulfill many of the things
[2:03:04] that you have talked about as a group
[2:03:06] >> and that could actually we could
[2:03:09] » and that could actually we could
[2:03:09] probably incorporate that in the
[2:03:12] capacity conversation and utilizing
[2:03:14] systems thinking to maximize capacity
[2:03:17] both financially and operationally.
[2:03:20] And then how can you take that systems
[2:03:22] thinking concept to then apply it to
[2:03:25] engagement in the in these other pieces?
[2:03:28] Because you're right, I think daily
[2:03:30] we're okay, we need to do this and six
[2:03:34] things touch it. How do we connect the
[2:03:35] six things to pull into the one? And I
[2:03:38] think we could probably incorporate that
[2:03:41] into that capacity conversation because
[2:03:45] that's how you gain capacity is by
[2:03:47] utilizing systems thinking to free up
[2:03:50] capacity in different areas. And so I
[2:03:52] could do that as part of my piece
[2:03:55] >> if that's what council wants.
[2:03:57] » if that's what council wants.
[2:03:57] >> No, I like that. Mayor, here's what I've
[2:03:59] » No, I like that. Mayor, here's what I've
[2:03:59] got kind of as an outline in my head
[2:04:00] right now. So, I heard
[2:04:03] >> um you know a segment around learning
[2:04:04] » um you know a segment around learning
[2:04:04] about each other's styles and
[2:04:06] backgrounds in order to be more
[2:04:07] efficient and effective as a board um
[2:04:09] and and to be able to make sure that
[2:04:11] this that this council leaves the mark
[2:04:14] that you intend to. Um and so maybe
[2:04:16] that's the first part of it. And then
[2:04:18] moving into that capacity federal
[2:04:21] funding, what what are we doing now?
[2:04:24] will provide kind of a deeper background
[2:04:26] on on what has been done so far so that
[2:04:29] you have that in your packets ahead of
[2:04:31] time and then Harold can talk about that
[2:04:33] capacity, that federal funding piece,
[2:04:34] the grants and kind of see where that
[2:04:36] looks like. Um, and then turn that to
[2:04:40] the conversation around council
[2:04:41] priorities now that you've heard the
[2:04:43] capacity side of it and you're all, you
[2:04:45] know, ready to work with each other in
[2:04:47] an excellent way. um how do you then
[2:04:49] determine what this council's priorities
[2:04:51] are going to be and what does that look
[2:04:52] like for 202 um six and and through 2030
[2:04:56] really for this team um and then morph
[2:05:00] that into okay now how do we connect
[2:05:02] with the community on these topics on
[2:05:04] other things like what are the
[2:05:06] connections that we need to be making um
[2:05:08] if we do those things let's have a
[2:05:10] little info session where council is
[2:05:12] teaching each other what they learned at
[2:05:14] NLC [laughter]
[2:05:14] >> okay yeah
[2:05:16] » okay yeah
[2:05:16] >> and then in that case we would move
[2:05:17] » and then in that case we would move
[2:05:17] Sundance and the and the resiliency
[2:05:19] conversations to to study sessions if
[2:05:21] that's all right. Um if that's if that's
[2:05:23] okay with everybody still still talk
[2:05:25] about it but do it during that piece. Um
[2:05:27] and then the NL the NCL training is part
[2:05:29] of that team building the effectiveness
[2:05:31] of bodies and things like that. So,
[2:05:33] >> okay.
[2:05:34] » okay.
[2:05:34] >> Um, let me just double checking to make
[2:05:36] » Um, let me just double checking to make
[2:05:36] sure I've got this all
[2:05:39] >> in. And
[2:05:40] » in. And
[2:05:40] >> yeah,
[2:05:41] » yeah,
[2:05:41] >> if I can add one thing that may become a
[2:05:43] » if I can add one thing that may become a
[2:05:43] topic of conversation
[2:05:46] and reading the Colorado Municipal
[2:05:48] League magazine about the upcoming
[2:05:51] legislation and legislative session is
[2:05:55] in study sessions or some point. We may
[2:05:58] need some time to talk to you all
[2:05:59] because this could be
[2:06:01] >> a year where there are a lot of battles
[2:06:03] » a year where there are a lot of battles
[2:06:03] in terms of home roll.
[2:06:05] >> Um, it's really starting to to show
[2:06:08] » Um, it's really starting to to show
[2:06:08] itself that that's going to be front and
[2:06:09] center
[2:06:11] >> um in terms of legislation that we're
[2:06:13] » um in terms of legislation that we're
[2:06:13] hearing is going to drop. So, we may
[2:06:17] need some space in a study session or
[2:06:20] potentially even in a retreat to where
[2:06:23] we have some space to maybe talk about
[2:06:25] that because our guts telling us when it
[2:06:28] hits, it's going to hit. And who's the
[2:06:31] CML? You're the CML pol who's the CML
[2:06:34] policy committ.
[2:06:35] >> You're the CML.
[2:06:37] » You're the CML.
[2:06:37] >> It's all on you.
[2:06:37] » It's all on you.
[2:06:37] >> We're in it together.
[2:06:38] » We're in it together.
[2:06:38] >> It's it's just we're we're all starting
[2:06:40] » It's it's just we're we're all starting
[2:06:40] to see it. Um, and cities are getting
[2:06:43] pretty concerned about what this means.
[2:06:45] So,
[2:06:46] >> if we can kind of hold some space,
[2:06:48] » if we can kind of hold some space,
[2:06:48] >> okay,
[2:06:48] » okay,
[2:06:48] >> because by the time we get to the
[2:06:50] » because by the time we get to the
[2:06:50] retreat, we're going to start seeing
[2:06:51] what's coming out.
[2:06:52] >> Got it. Probably two weeks we'll be
[2:06:54] » Got it. Probably two weeks we'll be
[2:06:54] starting another.
[2:06:56] [laughter]
[2:06:57] >> Yeah, probably. Well, no, I'm thinking
[2:07:00] » Yeah, probably. Well, no, I'm thinking
[2:07:00] [snorts] two weeks we're going to see
[2:07:01] the first
[2:07:02] >> we can 200 bills dropped. [laughter]
[2:07:03] » we can 200 bills dropped. [laughter]
[2:07:03] That's right.
[2:07:04] >> Okay, good. I know you do. I know you
[2:07:06] » Okay, good. I know you do. I know you
[2:07:06] do. And pardon, mayor, we would also
[2:07:08] invite um folks from the LDDA to the
[2:07:10] retreat, visit Lmont and LDP as part of
[2:07:12] that. Um I I know you had mentioned
[2:07:14] involving youth council a little bit
[2:07:16] more. Would you be interested in
[2:07:17] inviting them on Saturday?
[2:07:19] >> Oo, maybe we can have a lunch with them.
[2:07:23] » Oo, maybe we can have a lunch with them.
[2:07:23] >> Let's do that. Let's just squeeze it in
[2:07:24] » Let's do that. Let's just squeeze it in
[2:07:24] wherever.
[2:07:25] >> They're they're interested. That's a
[2:07:27] » They're they're interested. That's a
[2:07:27] good one.
[2:07:27] >> They're interested in being part of the
[2:07:28] » They're interested in being part of the
[2:07:28] conversation.
[2:07:28] >> Oh, wonderful. So, if we could have one
[2:07:30] » Oh, wonderful. So, if we could have one
[2:07:30] of those lunches be a um a round table
[2:07:33] lunch with youth council,
[2:07:34] >> probably Saturday since there wouldn't
[2:07:35] » probably Saturday since there wouldn't
[2:07:35] be school.
[2:07:36] >> That's right. Yes, that is true.
[2:07:38] » That's right. Yes, that is true.
[2:07:38] Although they'd appreciate Friday.
[2:07:40] >> I think they would I think they would
[2:07:41] » I think they would I think they would
[2:07:41] love Friday. Yes. [laughter] So, I will
[2:07:44] mention
[2:07:45] >> Saturday. Yeah.
[2:07:46] » Saturday. Yeah.
[2:07:46] >> Yeah.
[2:07:47] » Yeah.
[2:07:47] >> So, a seus a segment in your retreat
[2:07:50] » So, a seus a segment in your retreat
[2:07:50] about learning about each other, working
[2:07:51] with each other, spending some time with
[2:07:53] each other. A segment in your retreat
[2:07:55] about um priority priorities and what
[2:07:57] this looks like for you all. and and
[2:07:59] kind of a level setting on what the uh
[2:08:01] playing field looks like today from
[2:08:03] Harold's position with respect to
[2:08:04] capacity and federal funding and you
[2:08:06] know kind of here's the here's the world
[2:08:08] we live in today how do these priorities
[2:08:10] now match for this particular council um
[2:08:12] and then turn that into then the
[2:08:14] community engagement
[2:08:16] um commu connecting the how do we
[2:08:18] connect community that seem like nice
[2:08:20] kind of four chunks where we'll I'll
[2:08:22] slide in some of these other pieces
[2:08:24] >> yes yeah no that's that sounds good I'm
[2:08:26] » yes yeah no that's that sounds good I'm
[2:08:26] going to go ahead and Um, Council Member
[2:08:29] Popkin, you had your mic on.
[2:08:30] >> Yeah. One last thing to add into the
[2:08:32] » Yeah. One last thing to add into the
[2:08:32] systems discussion. I think it relates
[2:08:33] very closely and it builds on something
[2:08:35] that Mayor Harder and I were talking
[2:08:37] about in the last council on how we
[2:08:39] align our rates with our policy
[2:08:41] objectives. And so I think making sure
[2:08:44] we can have that kind of substantive
[2:08:45] discussion there I think would
[2:08:47] complement a lot of what council uh
[2:08:49] member priz was suggesting some of the
[2:08:51] conversations Harold you and I have had
[2:08:52] and building on our our sol our our
[2:08:56] waste management our electricity rates
[2:08:59] our um transport um particular uh
[2:09:02] airport fees like how how fees and rates
[2:09:06] align with our policy priorities. So,
[2:09:08] just wanted to introduce that in
[2:09:09] whatever way that fuses with
[2:09:11] >> that conversation.
[2:09:17] » Okay,
[2:09:19] >> Council Member Marcy.
[2:09:20] » Council Member Marcy.
[2:09:20] >> Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly, this has
[2:09:22] » Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly, this has
[2:09:22] been a great conversation. I hope you
[2:09:23] have what you need, Sandy. The only the
[2:09:24] only thing I guess I I haven't heard a
[2:09:26] lot of discussion about and maybe I
[2:09:28] missed it at some point is maybe folded
[2:09:30] into that conversation about how we work
[2:09:32] as individuals and how we work together
[2:09:34] some of the logistics of that cuz I
[2:09:36] think we've had some discussion up here
[2:09:38] about preessions about what that all
[2:09:40] looks like about you know how we
[2:09:43] actually logistically navigate that and
[2:09:45] I I think and mayor this is kind of a
[2:09:47] you question is is you know time in the
[2:09:50] retreat for us to say okay this is how
[2:09:52] we want to kind of use those spaces or
[2:09:54] give you feedback or however you would
[2:09:57] want to navigate that cuz I was looking
[2:09:58] at my list and that's the only thing I
[2:09:59] think we we didn't hit is like how do we
[2:10:01] navigate
[2:10:03] presessions work sessions so that we
[2:10:04] have more as council member Pockin
[2:10:07] mentioned earlier of those opportunities
[2:10:08] to discuss things a little more freely
[2:10:11] work together kind of conversations
[2:10:14] >> we could certainly fold those into that
[2:10:16] » we could certainly fold those into that
[2:10:16] efficiency and effectiveness
[2:10:17] conversation there's just keep in mind
[2:10:19] terminology wise there's two kinds of
[2:10:21] precessions um there's the precession s
[2:10:23] that mayor Pek had requested
[2:10:25] [clears throat]
[2:10:26] which happened regularly and the idea
[2:10:27] was to update each other on boards and
[2:10:29] commissions but other business was also
[2:10:31] conducted and then there's presessions
[2:10:33] that the council directs us to bring
[2:10:34] that is a deeper dive and open free
[2:10:36] conversation about a discussion like
[2:10:39] >> uh vision zero came as a preession so
[2:10:41] » uh vision zero came as a preession so
[2:10:41] there are two different pieces housing
[2:10:43] yeah there's there's kind of two
[2:10:44] different ways to look at precession so
[2:10:46] it might be great to clarify
[2:10:48] >> yeah [laughter]
[2:10:50] » yeah [laughter]
[2:10:50] >> yeah no and then that would give me the
[2:10:53] » yeah no and then that would give me the
[2:10:53] opportunity to kind of throw back out.
[2:10:55] >> I, you know, I I liked the spirit of the
[2:10:59] » I, you know, I I liked the spirit of the
[2:10:59] presession where we updated, but then it
[2:11:02] just felt very mechanical and inorganic
[2:11:05] and it it wasn't as helpful as I think
[2:11:07] it could have been. And I'm still trying
[2:11:11] to fe you know, and maybe this is a good
[2:11:14] opportunity to discuss how do we want
[2:11:16] those to to look in the future. Um the
[2:11:19] one thing I am not hearing is the
[2:11:21] discussion about boards and commissions
[2:11:23] and also around the liaison. So I'm
[2:11:25] assuming that would be a separate
[2:11:27] precession. Is that
[2:11:28] >> and so I am that's what I was going to
[2:11:29] » and so I am that's what I was going to
[2:11:29] ask. So the rule 27 piece where the
[2:11:34] board appointments that that could be
[2:11:36] something that is in a study session. It
[2:11:40] it's very black and white. It's
[2:11:42] addressing this particular piece in our
[2:11:43] rules of procedure. um our liaison.
[2:11:48] Um I'm almost and I I didn't think did
[2:11:52] we add I don't think we added that to
[2:11:54] our council retreat.
[2:11:56] >> I believe that was previous discussion.
[2:11:58] » I believe that was previous discussion.
[2:11:58] >> That was a previous discussion.
[2:11:59] » That was a previous discussion.
[2:11:59] >> That was previous direction.
[2:12:01] » That was previous direction.
[2:12:01] >> Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to throw
[2:12:03] » Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to throw
[2:12:03] that out.
[2:12:03] >> I just wanted to make sure because it's
[2:12:04] » I just wanted to make sure because it's
[2:12:04] currently the the agenda that I would
[2:12:06] bring back to you does not include that
[2:12:08] segment. Would that would be separated,
[2:12:10] but I just wanted to clarify that.
[2:12:11] >> Okay. I would like to know what what
[2:12:13] » Okay. I would like to know what what
[2:12:13] other council people feel council
[2:12:16] council people
[2:12:16] >> because it could council members feel
[2:12:19] » because it could council members feel
[2:12:19] feel about yeah if we want
[2:12:21] >> want to add this on
[2:12:24] » want to add this on
[2:12:24] >> or or add a separate
[2:12:28] » or or add a separate
[2:12:28] >> sorry Don do you need to jump in there
[2:12:29] » sorry Don do you need to jump in there
[2:12:29] >> I was clarifying the yes
[2:12:31] » I was clarifying the yes
[2:12:31] [snorts and clears throat]
[2:12:31] >> the question is to discuss the your role
[2:12:33] » the question is to discuss the your role
[2:12:34] as liaison to the boards
[2:12:36] >> that's what I was
[2:12:36] » that's what I was
[2:12:36] >> philosophical discussion
[2:12:38] » philosophical discussion
[2:12:38] >> yes
[2:12:38] » yes
[2:12:38] >> which is different than your rule of
[2:12:40] » which is different than your rule of
[2:12:40] procedure
[2:12:41] >> yes and So that's two different topics.
[2:12:44] » yes and So that's two different topics.
[2:12:44] >> Two different things. Yes. But I do
[2:12:45] » Two different things. Yes. But I do
[2:12:46] believe that at least one suggestion was
[2:12:48] to discuss both of those at some point.
[2:12:51] >> So I think council wants to discuss both
[2:12:52] » So I think council wants to discuss both
[2:12:52] of them. Do you want to do it together?
[2:12:54] Do you want to do it through two
[2:12:55] separate things? How do you
[2:12:56] >> the rule rule um changing to the rule 27
[2:12:59] » the rule rule um changing to the rule 27
[2:12:59] is more I I I feel it's good about um
[2:13:03] having that on a separate agenda item
[2:13:06] >> and we have that direction that
[2:13:07] » and we have that direction that
[2:13:08] direction. So we're good with that
[2:13:09] today. So the liaison I'm going to throw
[2:13:10] this out to council the liaison and
[2:13:14] um oh how how we proceed with our
[2:13:16] appointments. So how we all as council
[2:13:20] members pick our liaison is that I feel
[2:13:24] like that was one that we wanted to
[2:13:26] discuss as well if I recall correctly.
[2:13:29] Um
[2:13:31] >> might as well lightly
[2:13:32] » might as well lightly
[2:13:32] >> lightly lightly okay very very lightly.
[2:13:35] » lightly lightly okay very very lightly.
[2:13:35] Um just a sprinkle uh council member
[2:13:38] Christ. Yeah, [laughter]
[2:13:41] » thank you, mayor, and thank you,
[2:13:42] councelor Pelicanin, for that nice segue
[2:13:44] because I want to make a final plea for
[2:13:46] some restorative time. Um, relaxed time
[2:13:50] and time with nature. And if we could
[2:13:53] maybe use a round table instead of long
[2:13:55] tables, it some about where we were last
[2:13:59] time felt like a typing pool, honestly.
[2:14:02] And and I just, you know, it raises a
[2:14:05] stress level. You can't be very creative
[2:14:07] in that scenario and would like it to be
[2:14:09] more relaxed for the public too.
[2:14:11] >> Okay.
[2:14:12] » Okay.
[2:14:12] >> Okay. Um I thought you were going to
[2:14:14] » Okay. Um I thought you were going to
[2:14:14] suggest a ma a massage therapist and a
[2:14:17] chair but [laughter]
[2:14:20] >> and it was really useful.
[2:14:22] » and it was really useful.
[2:14:22] >> Sorry. Now now I'm getting a little
[2:14:23] » Sorry. Now now I'm getting a little
[2:14:24] silly here. Um council member um
[2:14:26] Marcine.
[2:14:27] >> Thank you mayor. I wanted to comment
[2:14:28] » Thank you mayor. I wanted to comment
[2:14:28] specifically on your question cuz what
[2:14:30] I'm hearing is
[2:14:32] is kind of a it almost is a natural like
[2:14:35] council workflow section after we talk
[2:14:38] about how we work as individuals how and
[2:14:41] then how do we want to work with each
[2:14:42] other and we logistically hit on
[2:14:44] preessions the liaison role that kind of
[2:14:47] all fits in naturally before we dive
[2:14:49] into you know the policy work
[2:14:52] conversations. I think we have we figure
[2:14:54] out those logistics and then work from
[2:14:56] there rather than like a separate
[2:14:58] conversation. So I I I do see all that
[2:15:01] kind of fitting into one at the retreat
[2:15:02] cuz I I'm viewing this retreat as how do
[2:15:05] we do this work together over the next
[2:15:07] two years and not necessarily although
[2:15:10] like I said we can all list issues we
[2:15:12] want to talk about like if we all I
[2:15:13] think want to talk about airport I want
[2:15:14] to talk about early childhood ed
[2:15:15] everybody knows that but I think we need
[2:15:17] to figure out how we work together both
[2:15:19] functionally and philosophically.
[2:15:22] I like that.
[2:15:23] >> Okay. So, we'll we'll talk about the
[2:15:24] » Okay. So, we'll we'll talk about the
[2:15:24] board liaison, the philosophical
[2:15:26] conversation about board liaison roles
[2:15:28] at the retreat.
[2:15:28] >> At the retreat and then the more
[2:15:30] » At the retreat and then the more
[2:15:30] specific
[2:15:32] >> um council rules and procedures around
[2:15:35] » um council rules and procedures around
[2:15:36] board appointments you want to do during
[2:15:38] a public session. Yes. Yes.
[2:15:40] >> Okay.
[2:15:41] » Okay.
[2:15:41] >> That I think they have to because that
[2:15:43] » That I think they have to because that
[2:15:43] will lead to direction and voting which
[2:15:45] I think does fit better in
[2:15:47] >> in the meeting. Yeah. The motion said
[2:15:50] » in the meeting. Yeah. The motion said
[2:15:50] February 3rd.
[2:15:51] >> Okay. Yes. The motion was specific. Very
[2:15:53] » Okay. Yes. The motion was specific. Very
[2:15:53] specific. [laughter]
[2:15:54] >> I like that. Yes, we need that.
[2:15:55] » I like that. Yes, we need that.
[2:15:56] >> Specific.
[2:15:56] » Specific.
[2:15:56] >> Yeah. Very good.
[2:15:57] » Yeah. Very good.
[2:15:58] >> Okay. So, do you feel like you've have
[2:16:01] » Okay. So, do you feel like you've have
[2:16:01] something well laid out and then the
[2:16:04] rest of council, you're not going to
[2:16:06] leave here today saying she didn't let
[2:16:09] me answer that, get this out. Okay.
[2:16:11] >> So, Mayor Huggle Fairing, I will bring
[2:16:13] » So, Mayor Huggle Fairing, I will bring
[2:16:13] back a draft retreat. This is not the
[2:16:15] end of the conversation. So, approve
[2:16:16] that and just make sure that I've
[2:16:18] actually hit it. uh last conversation.
[2:16:20] Did you want an outside facilitator or
[2:16:21] did you want an inside facilitator? My
[2:16:24] feelings won't be hurt either way, just
[2:16:25] so
[2:16:25] >> Okay. I mean, I think for some parts it
[2:16:28] » Okay. I mean, I think for some parts it
[2:16:28] might be better to have an outside
[2:16:30] facilitator. I mean, when we're getting
[2:16:32] updates from Harold, we don't need an
[2:16:34] outside person to kind of lead that that
[2:16:36] piece. Um I don't where where do we
[2:16:39] feel? Um you know what? I'm going to
[2:16:42] just kind of work my way start over here
[2:16:44] two and then three and move my way down.
[2:16:48] Um, go ahead, Council Member Popkin.
[2:16:52] >> Super quick. I I tend to lean towards an
[2:16:54] » Super quick. I I tend to lean towards an
[2:16:54] outside facilitator, especially when
[2:16:56] there are just diff like different
[2:16:57] workplace dynamics involved and power
[2:16:59] dynamics involved. Um, because I'd also
[2:17:02] want, frankly, you and Harold and other
[2:17:05] staff and city managers to like
[2:17:07] participate in some of the conversation
[2:17:09] too. Yes, it's council's retreat, but
[2:17:11] you know, everything that we do is
[2:17:13] depend is like it's it's an ecosystem
[2:17:15] here. And so so that would be my bias
[2:17:18] there.
[2:17:19] >> Okay. Thank you,
[2:17:23] » Okay. Thank you,
[2:17:23] Council Member Prito.
[2:17:24] >> I second. Council member Popkin.
[2:17:28] » I second. Council member Popkin.
[2:17:28] >> Okay.
[2:17:31] » Mayor Prom McCoy.
[2:17:32] >> Thank you, Mayor. I think an outside um
[2:17:36] » Thank you, Mayor. I think an outside um
[2:17:36] person is is always good. Uh although I
[2:17:38] have to commend uh Sandy for always
[2:17:40] being such a champ. So
[2:17:43] >> I'm gonna give a shout out to her.
[2:17:45] » I'm gonna give a shout out to her.
[2:17:45] Thank you.
[2:17:46] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Christ
[2:17:52] outside
[2:17:54] and would and I I will also say that I
[2:17:58] would like you as staff to be there, but
[2:18:01] to also have a relaxed, restorative, and
[2:18:04] creative opportunity, which I don't
[2:18:07] think you I don't see you ever getting.
[2:18:10] Maybe it happens, but I don't see it
[2:18:12] ever happening.
[2:18:13] >> Okay. So, you have to be there and get a
[2:18:16] » Okay. So, you have to be there and get a
[2:18:16] massage chair.
[2:18:17] >> Yes. [laughter]
[2:18:18] » Yes. [laughter]
[2:18:18] >> Yeah.
[2:18:19] » Yeah.
[2:18:19] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,
[2:18:21] » Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,
[2:18:21] >> thank you, Mayor. I'm going to say
[2:18:22] » thank you, Mayor. I'm going to say
[2:18:22] outside as well, specifically thinking
[2:18:24] about that leadership portion we talked
[2:18:26] about, I think it's beneficial
[2:18:27] potentially for staff as well to learn
[2:18:29] how we think and operate without having
[2:18:31] to worry about like leading that
[2:18:33] discussion. Um, the less like my whole
[2:18:35] vibe is the less work staff does to
[2:18:37] prepare for this retreat, the happier I
[2:18:39] individually will be. And the more work
[2:18:41] we do to get ready, the the the better
[2:18:43] that is in my mind. Yeah. So that I
[2:18:45] would say out there.
[2:18:45] >> I agree. Yes. Thank you.
[2:18:47] » I agree. Yes. Thank you.
[2:18:47] >> Okay.
[2:18:47] » Okay.
[2:18:47] >> Um Council Member Kulkuffer.
[2:18:50] » Um Council Member Kulkuffer.
[2:18:50] >> Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to
[2:18:52] » Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to
[2:18:52] change what everybody else said. I think
[2:18:53] that's a good idea. External. Um I do
[2:18:55] have a massage chair, so if you want me
[2:18:56] to bring it,
[2:18:58] >> I can just load it in the back of my car
[2:18:59] » I can just load it in the back of my car
[2:18:59] and that we can borrow it for the the
[2:19:02] couple days.
[2:19:02] >> Yes, [laughter] please.
[2:19:03] » Yes, [laughter] please.
[2:19:03] >> But I think it'd be good for you all to
[2:19:05] » But I think it'd be good for you all to
[2:19:05] >> my lady. Sorry to make everybody
[2:19:07] » my lady. Sorry to make everybody
[2:19:07] excited. I would like you all to
[2:19:09] participate in a way that is uh easier
[2:19:11] for you to participate.
[2:19:13] >> Okay.
[2:19:14] » Okay.
[2:19:14] >> I I just mentioned to Sandy one one
[2:19:16] » I I just mentioned to Sandy one one
[2:19:16] person I may talk to just because I've
[2:19:18] been on the fac the he facilitated the
[2:19:22] RTD accountability committee. Um and
[2:19:26] just going through that conversation. He
[2:19:29] may be somebody I talked to because that
[2:19:31] was as delicate and as controversial as
[2:19:37] anything I've ever been in. Surprise.
[2:19:40] And he he did a really good job of
[2:19:43] keeping us on task and keeping us
[2:19:45] focused. And so if it's okay that may be
[2:19:48] somebody I reach out to just to see. Um
[2:19:52] I was
[2:19:54] it was astonishing we got through what
[2:19:55] we got through
[2:19:56] >> and the time frame we got through it.
[2:19:58] » and the time frame we got through it.
[2:19:58] >> Very good. Okay. I trust you. Thank you.
[2:20:02] » Very good. Okay. I trust you. Thank you.
[2:20:02] >> Um yeah. No, the council has spoken. So
[2:20:05] » Um yeah. No, the council has spoken. So
[2:20:05] [laughter]
[2:20:06] thank you everyone. Uh thank you.
[2:20:12] » Okay. So we are now at final call.
[2:20:17] Public invited to be heard.
[2:20:20] Is there anyone in the audience who
[2:20:22] wishes to speak?
[2:20:24] >> Come on down. [laughter]
[2:20:26] » Come on down. [laughter]
[2:20:26] >> I apologize. I didn't quite catch all of
[2:20:28] » I apologize. I didn't quite catch all of
[2:20:28] Harold's comments, but I just wanted to
[2:20:30] share that in my experience, the EQ
[2:20:32] analysis, it's a personal analysis that
[2:20:35] there's a higher correlation to your
[2:20:37] emotional
[2:20:38] >> Can you raise your mic? Yes. And we'll
[2:20:39] » Can you raise your mic? Yes. And we'll
[2:20:39] go ahead and remind me your name again.
[2:20:42] >> Paul St. Sundance Drive.
[2:20:44] » Paul St. Sundance Drive.
[2:20:44] >> So there's there's a higher correlation
[2:20:46] » So there's there's a higher correlation
[2:20:46] to your emotional quotient than your
[2:20:48] intellectual quotient. So an EQ analysis
[2:20:50] as opposed to a IQ analysis is a quite
[2:20:53] you probably some of you have done it
[2:20:54] I'm sure it's quite revealing exercise
[2:20:57] and you can do simple prep ahead of time
[2:20:59] doesn't take a lot of work but the
[2:21:00] results are have a good correlation to
[2:21:02] the real world and you can share them
[2:21:03] with each other and the other one is
[2:21:05] something called the disc analysis which
[2:21:06] is a slightly more in-depth version you
[2:21:07] may come across I found both of those to
[2:21:10] be pretty proficient in that
[2:21:11] >> and then balancing my time my earlier
[2:21:13] » and then balancing my time my earlier
[2:21:13] point was on the profitability of the
[2:21:15] golf course what I wanted to say was it
[2:21:17] feels to me that the incentives on the
[2:21:19] management are over aligned to
[2:21:20] profitability and maybe a dimension of
[2:21:23] customer service or something like that
[2:21:25] or quality of service would balance that
[2:21:27] if that's behind the scenes what's
[2:21:29] driving some of this uh uh perceived
[2:21:31] cheapness on my part. Thank you. And who
[2:21:34] who do I give the exhibits to? I'd like
[2:21:35] you to see the uh like to see the
[2:21:38] >> Yeah. Oh,
[2:21:39] » Yeah. Oh,
[2:21:39] >> that's the that's the ball dumping.
[2:21:41] » that's the that's the ball dumping.
[2:21:41] That's the new ones installed at Twin
[2:21:43] Peaks, but they're removed at Ute. And
[2:21:45] that's the email correspondence. And uh
[2:21:48] Jeff Friezner said he's going to call me
[2:21:49] tomorrow anyway, so you won't have to
[2:21:51] take any action.
[2:21:51] >> I was um emailing Jeff.
[2:21:53] » I was um emailing Jeff.
[2:21:53] >> Yeah, he he caught me outside.
[2:21:55] » Yeah, he he caught me outside.
[2:21:55] >> Great. Thank you very much. Good. I'm
[2:21:57] » Great. Thank you very much. Good. I'm
[2:21:57] glad. Okay. Anyone else? Come on down.
[2:22:01] >> Greetings. Hi. New member.
[2:22:04] » Greetings. Hi. New member.
[2:22:04] >> Yeah.
[2:22:04] » Yeah.
[2:22:04] >> Love it.
[2:22:05] » Love it.
[2:22:05] >> So, who are you?
[2:22:06] » So, who are you?
[2:22:06] >> Uh Paul Tiger. I live in Longmont. Uh
[2:22:09] » Uh Paul Tiger. I live in Longmont. Uh
[2:22:09] so, um I'm coming to remind you again
[2:22:11] about what's going on in the dark hole.
[2:22:15] That is the front entrance. I I have
[2:22:17] engaged other people here. Um I
[2:22:20] understand maybe there's some work
[2:22:21] orders. Uh but you know, they could be
[2:22:24] shoved aside and rearranged because the
[2:22:26] lighting is not that important. It's
[2:22:28] gone on for 20 years. I do fall here. I
[2:22:31] fall a lot now. I'll fall out there and
[2:22:33] sue you. I don't want to do that. Please
[2:22:36] um uh fix up the lighting. Not your But
[2:22:39] but you run the show, right? Okay.
[2:22:41] Lighting outside. Thank you so much.
[2:22:43] >> Great. Thank you.
[2:22:45] » Great. Thank you.
[2:22:45] Um, okay. So, we are now on to Oh, do
[2:22:48] come on down.
[2:22:50] Is there anyone else who wants to speak?
[2:22:53] Okay. So, Lance, come on down. Who are
[2:22:57] you?
[2:22:58] >> Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I'd
[2:23:01] » Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I'd
[2:23:01] just like to remind you really quickly
[2:23:02] that you guys are going to be talking
[2:23:04] about the Sundance. And uh don't forget
[2:23:07] that we're having a major traffic
[2:23:09] problem over on Ken Pratt and Hover. Um,
[2:23:14] while it's a great project, I would love
[2:23:17] to see it postponed for a couple months
[2:23:20] after Sundance, but that's probably not
[2:23:23] going to be able to happen. But anyhow,
[2:23:26] my concerns are about traffic problems
[2:23:28] that we're going to have and hopefully
[2:23:30] we can put a good face forward on that.
[2:23:32] Thank you.
[2:23:32] >> Very good. Thank you.
[2:23:34] » Very good. Thank you.
[2:23:34] >> Okay, now we're on to mayor and council
[2:23:37] » Okay, now we're on to mayor and council
[2:23:37] comments.
[2:23:40] Any comments? Okay. Okay. Um,
[2:23:44] Council Member Kuffer,
[2:23:47] >> I'd like to thank everybody on this uh
[2:23:49] » I'd like to thank everybody on this uh
[2:23:50] board. Thank you, Mayor. Um, this has
[2:23:52] been a true ride for me and I thank
[2:23:54] everybody who supported me through this
[2:23:55] journey. I am humbly proud to be here
[2:23:59] and I can't wait to serve next to each
[2:24:01] and every one of you. Um, and I can't
[2:24:03] wait to serve our constituents. So,
[2:24:05] thank you for having me. I'm really
[2:24:06] excited to be here.
[2:24:09] >> Okay, very good. Thank you for that. Um,
[2:24:12] » Okay, very good. Thank you for that. Um,
[2:24:12] you know, I just I want to thank you
[2:24:13] all. I mean, I was thinking about and
[2:24:16] kind of processing how did I want to go
[2:24:18] around our retreat or even our board
[2:24:21] appointments and just kind of thinking
[2:24:23] about and you know, I I appreciate and
[2:24:26] um really value everybody's um
[2:24:29] professionalism and and just really
[2:24:32] coming forward with the the best
[2:24:33] intentions and that is, you know, our
[2:24:35] serving our city. So, thank you all so
[2:24:36] much. I appreciate you. Um Oh, who's
[2:24:40] number seven? Oh, Council Member Marcy.
[2:24:42] >> Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick,
[2:24:43] » Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick,
[2:24:43] and this is more for public edification.
[2:24:45] Uh, mayor knows this, staff is familiar
[2:24:47] with this. Just in the event that I
[2:24:49] happen to miss a council meeting
[2:24:50] suddenly, either or council or an LHA
[2:24:53] meeting coming up, just for public
[2:24:54] edification. Um, I'm kind of on baby
[2:24:56] alert at the moment, we're expecting our
[2:24:58] our third kiddo, a daughter kind of any
[2:25:01] any day now. So, we're just in the event
[2:25:03] I don't show up one night that I just
[2:25:05] wanted the public and everybody to be
[2:25:07] aware, that's why. It's not that I'm
[2:25:08] ditching. I, you know, just wanted to
[2:25:10] make sure everybody was aware. So, thank
[2:25:12] you, K.
[2:25:12] >> Great. Thank you for that. Um, Council
[2:25:14] » Great. Thank you for that. Um, Council
[2:25:14] Member Prietto,
[2:25:16] >> just a comment to, uh, Councelor Koffer.
[2:25:19] » just a comment to, uh, Councelor Koffer.
[2:25:19] We're so happy to have you on council. I
[2:25:22] think, um,
[2:25:25] >> you bring such assets to the team um,
[2:25:29] » you bring such assets to the team um,
[2:25:29] and your expertise and transportation
[2:25:31] and beyond. And, and it's something that
[2:25:34] we really need. And so we're really
[2:25:36] happy to have you on council and we look
[2:25:38] forward to working with you.
[2:25:41] >> Yes, ditto. Thank you. Um, council
[2:25:44] » Yes, ditto. Thank you. Um, council
[2:25:44] member Popkin.
[2:25:46] >> Yeah, I don't have nearly as exciting
[2:25:47] » Yeah, I don't have nearly as exciting
[2:25:47] update as council member Mars, but um
[2:25:49] there will be a couple meeting
[2:25:50] [laughter] there will be a couple
[2:25:51] meetings uh this year that I know about
[2:25:54] that I'll have uh I'll ask for remote
[2:25:57] >> work uh work uh for attendance
[2:26:00] » work uh work uh for attendance
[2:26:00] privileges. So I'll bring that forward
[2:26:01] in a future meeting. I won't make a
[2:26:03] motion now, but I just want to give you
[2:26:04] guys a heads up on that.
[2:26:06] >> Great.
[2:26:06] » Great.
[2:26:06] >> Um, and I also just really appreciate
[2:26:07] » Um, and I also just really appreciate
[2:26:07] Council Member Chris's suggestion to
[2:26:09] consider alternative locations for our
[2:26:11] retreat. By the way, I happen to have a
[2:26:13] soft spot in my heart for Sundance. Uh,
[2:26:15] sorry, Sandstone Ranch. Um, Sandstone
[2:26:18] Ranch. We're not rebranding it. Don't
[2:26:19] worry, we don't have the permission to
[2:26:20] do that. Um, [laughter] and so I I
[2:26:22] appreciate just thinking out of the box
[2:26:24] on on where we gather together, too. So,
[2:26:26] thank you.
[2:26:27] >> Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, now
[2:26:30] » Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, now
[2:26:30] on to
[2:26:31] city manager remarks.
[2:26:35] » No comments. Mayor, councel.
[2:26:37] >> Nice. Yes. And city attorney remarks.
[2:26:40] » Nice. Yes. And city attorney remarks.
[2:26:40] >> No comments, mayor.
[2:26:41] » No comments, mayor.
[2:26:41] >> Okay. So, may I have a motion to
[2:26:43] » Okay. So, may I have a motion to
[2:26:43] adjurnn?
[2:26:44] >> Okay. Do we have a second?
[2:26:46] » Okay. Do we have a second?
[2:26:46] >> Okay. So, I have a motion um on the
[2:26:49] » Okay. So, I have a motion um on the
[2:26:49] table.
[2:26:51] >> Um I'm waiting for it to Yeah. Okay. Um
[2:26:54] » Um I'm waiting for it to Yeah. Okay. Um
[2:26:54] any discussion?
[2:26:55] >> Okay. All those in favor?
[2:26:58] » Okay. All those in favor?
[2:26:58] I okay opposed. Okay. So we are
[2:27:02] adjourned.