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Hey, I see all council members are present. So city clerk, we're ready to get started whenever you are.

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Okay, the recording's going.

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Thank you. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back. I will call the Los Alto City Council regular council meeting of Tuesday August 24, 2021 to order at 7 p.m.

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City Clerk, can you please establish Cora? Sure, I'll call roll. Council member Leying. Here.

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Council member Meadows. Here. Council member Weinberg. Here. Vice Mayor Enaander. Here.

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And Mayor Flagger. Here. Thank you, Mayor. I'll five council members are present. Thank you,

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and I see that or City Manager is here at least I'm seeing his name, his first official meeting

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as our city manager gave England, and then also we have our city attorney, Julie Houston.

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So we all came back. So that's good. Welcome back. Next on our agenda, we have the

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pledge of allegiance to the flag. And we're very lucky. Today we will have Dia

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Hemant, who's a ninth grader with troop number 6, 0, 3, 2, 1 lead us in the pledge of allegiance, and as usual, we'll ask everybody to go on mute so that Dia can lead us and you can obviously follow her lead. So with that, Dia, thanks for being here. We'll turn it over to you.

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Thank you for having me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all,

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excellent. Thank you so much, DS. We'll have

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we don't have you here, have school started already for you?

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Yes, so I go to Los Altos High School and it's

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started around three weeks ago.

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Also, you're three weeks in, how is it going?

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It's going really well since I'm in ninth grade,

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it's like a big transition.

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So I have a lot of homework at all.

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That's true. You're a high schooler now, congratulations.

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Wow. Well, thanks for joining us.

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Excellent job. Thank you. Thank you.

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So our next item is report on close session and no action was taken. So I have nothing to report from our close session. Next we have our special item and I do see.

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Vice Chair Gary Crevin with the Santa Clara Valley Water District with us and Gary before you start.

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I quickly want to share because it's relevant to your presentation and also a couple of items on our agenda tonight.

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I wrote a mayor's desk column titled,

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Doing Our Part in Los Alps is to conserve energy and water and I've invited residents to share some of the ways they're conserving energy and or water

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and I'd also give in 10 suggestions.

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So I'll quickly share three.

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One resident said, they replaced all the sprinkler heads

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for their lawns with a low plain sprinkler head.

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And apparently that prevents the water

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from spraying everywhere and going up

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in the air, it's more targeted and focused.

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And another resident said they were using water.

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And then they're using that water to water their plants outside instead of using their sprinkler systems or they've turned off that feature. And then the last one I will share is another resident switched out their light bulbs for more energy efficient and energy saving light bulbs. So I told them I would share them at the council meeting. Thanks to everybody who reached out and commented on the column.

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And so at that Vice Chair Cremant, I will turn it over to you and thanks so much for being here.

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You know, it's very timely that you're presenting to our council.

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And as I mentioned, we do have a couple of items really talking about how is a community we can address this drought that we're facing.

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Well, thank you for the invite mayor and thank you for sharing the tips.

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I will see if I can, I don't want to one up you, but I might have one tip or two.

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So, in any case, my name is Gary Creman, Vice Chair of the Valley Water District.

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I'm your neighbor. I just live over the line in Los Atos Hills on Page Mode Road.

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Unfortunately, I'm here mayor, vice mayor, council, staff, public, and a bad situation.

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We're in a pretty extreme drop. These have been the worst two years in recorded California history.

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And it's kind of time to take action and it's especially important in less altos because you only get your water kind of in one way and you're kind of at risk.

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So before I get started, I kind of do we have the first slide?

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Let's see if we can get it.

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Yeah,

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so that's what some of these stuff actually looks like.

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Where our water is. Why don't we go into slide two and I'll just say next slide.

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You know, before we go into what we do, I just want to mention, I don't know if anyone is a reader of California authors,

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but John Steinbeck in the beginning of east of Eden, one of my favorite Steinbeck said that

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never failed during the dry years that people forgot about the rich years

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and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years and it was

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always that way. And if you actually look at the numbers you'll see that.

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But before I get into the grid situation where I want to tell you a little bit

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very quickly because I know you have a lot in your agenda. I look at it. What

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value water does, we do three major things are 810 employees, 610 million

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budget. We give clean water to most of the county affordable and safe. We do flood protection.

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And we keep creeks healthy. And some of the pride not only do we provide you your water,

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weather through wells or cow water, where we wholesale. But we do a bunch in Los Alto's.

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We've given tons of money whether it be projects like the living, you know, the exhibit on water

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conservation at the historical museum and the gardens there, the redwood nature preserve.

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We preserved some habitat over there.

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We did mid-pen over $600,000 for stuff in Los Altos the last couple of years, et cetera,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Over a million dollars, just and in grants, but the big thing we do if we could go on

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to the next slide and all the creeks that don't be in permanent intake is we provide water.

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So this is how Los Santos gets its water.

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Basically at the end of the day it all comes from the

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series so when they talk about importing water from hundreds of miles we do that here in Los

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Santos. So we get it as a wholesale or value water. We either spread it on the ground for those

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people that have wells, or we give it the cow water,

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who sets the prices and the terms,

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we don't set your prices, or anything associated with it.

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And they give it to whether you're wherever you live

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on spring or road, or you're out communal.

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So if we could go on to the next slide,

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so that's how Los Alto is, and this is how water,

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so that's where you get it, and we're gonna go into,

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not only does where Los Alto gets it,

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but where the county gets it,

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because this is just not a lot of self-tose crisis.

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This is a county-wide crisis.

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And the mayor who worked at the accounting building,

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I'm sure she's got an overview of that.

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So in any case, water in California is used three ways.

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And this is the fight that's been going on

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since the gold rush days between the environment,

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which gets 50% of the water, agriculture, 40%

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and urban users, 10%.

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And this is a system that was built for 10 million people.

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Local kind of finished up in the 60s and now we got 40 million people and that's part of the problem. So if you go on through the next slide, this is how actually water is used locally here in the county, 55% of it's used in the home, 30% to use for business, only 8% used by agriculture, which is different than the rest of the state. We do have agriculture in South County in Morgan Hill and Gilroy, but it's much smaller than the rest of the state.

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So where you can move the needle a lot is indoor use in outdoor use and I'm going to tell you some of the services we have, but I don't think this is going to be a surprise to anyone a lot used by our gardens and trees, but we do not recommend not watering your trees if you're going to cut anything else you do lawns and then indoor use and I don't think this will surprise anyone anyone.

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where the water goes on an indoor usage.

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And by the way, we'll talk about tons of problems

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on programs we have to help.

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So if we can go on in the next slide,

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I'm going to kind of give you a super wonky slide,

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but this is going to explain the problem.

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So if we look county-wide,

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and this includes what comes to Los Altoes.

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30% of the water is water that rains from the skies

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that goes in the aquifer, or we keep in reservoirs.

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We're looking at the left side.

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50% comes from hundreds of miles away as far as way above the Sacramento Valley.

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40% comes across the San Joaquin Sacramento Delta, 10% from Hatchetchi.

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Those are communities just to the north of Los Altoes.

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That would be 90% amount of fuel, 100% of Palo Alto, and 2-3rds of Los Altoes.

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That's kind of the breakpoint for the Hatchetchi water.

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5% is recycled and I'm going to tell you in a little while about some money that you don't

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know that's coming in the lot of stuff, which is a good thing. I don't think anyone's going to

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turn it out. I'm not talking about the residents, but to the city. And then we consider conservation

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as a way of increasing water supply, although it's really under demand side. But here's the problem.

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Okay? So that's where the water comes from. The problem is the drought and our reservoirs. The big

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problem is it hasn't been raining in our state and I'm going to show you something on the next page to show you we're in the worst type of drought you could have the exceptional drought and but I'll show you some graphics on it.

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So, we're not getting rain, we're at risk of draining down our groundwater aquifer.

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The reservoirs we store half our water locally and Anderson reservoir.

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Unfortunately, we bewildered it only as 3% water in it because of seismic reasons.

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So, the water we get when we don't have water stored is from something called the state water project.

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That's about 20% of our water whether only given 5% of the normal amount of water and the federal project is only giving us 25%.

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So we're facing these cuts right there and in the big place we get water plus the headshot system looks like they're gonna cut that in half and

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then we got we got water stored in different

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aquifers, but unfortunately most of it's south of us and

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The way we get it out is we send it south to people and then those people who have water coming down

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towards us, give it dust, but there's no water coming in any of the canals, so there's no one

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to trade with or swap with, and we're trying to buy emergency water, but it's pretty hard to

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purchase because everyone's fighting for it. I'm going to show you some graphs, and even if you can

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buy it, getting it here is hard. So we're we're super recycled water, but there's less water in the

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system. And conservation, which is kind of a source, it's really dependent on you, the public

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participating. And we actually, our first numbers were not very good, although it's kind

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of early to tell. And valley water, unlike the city, we don't have regulatory powers in the same

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way to regulate water use. For the most part, all we have is carrots, we don't have any sticks.

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So if you can go under the next page,

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here's part of the problem, if not the biggest part of the problem.

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The entire, almost the entire state, not the whole state,

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is an exceptional drought.

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So as you go from yellow to black, it's the worst.

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Way worse than anything we've seen since 1977.

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And everyone's fighting for it.

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our board did call for some water shortage emergency, so did the county, and so did the governor.

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So we're working through our partners to do. So problem one is the drought. I mean this is the

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critical part of it. There's just no water in the system, and I'll show you some graphs if we want

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in the next page.

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A lot of us.

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Some of us come from the business world, and I like to think of, well, what's the price out there? Well,

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it's in a warranty I use that word, wonky again, but the price isn't per acre, what covers an acre

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of land of water. And the price is around $200 for the last couple years. And then when this

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drought hit and the snow pack didn't have very much run off the price jumped to 900, which is 4.5

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times. So we tend to get a better price that value water than 900, but not much lower. So the run-out

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from water sheds are horrible. Everyone's fighting for it. The state is decided, we're only going

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to give you 5% of normal. We're the central value, the federal project, they're giving nothing for

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agriculture. And for M&I, they're kind of giving just health and safety water, which is the minimum

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you need to survive. There's no snowpack, and I'll show you some pictures. And the

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reservoirs upstream of us with a water is stored years of water. Usually, they're at

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historic lows and what's there is being saved for fish. And getting that water, even the

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little runoff across the Delta is super hard because what's happening is the bay and the ocean

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is pushing in. And the water, you've got to release water into the ocean. So the salt water

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and getting the system, which would be catastrophic.

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So you can just see, look at the price, that's bad news.

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I mean, this is set of bad news stuff.

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Why don't we go on to the next slide of bad news?

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The next bad news is climate change is coming home the roost.

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There's snowpack, because the snowpack is not what it used to be.

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The precipitation, we're having more precipitation, which is good,

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But less snowpack, which is super bad because 30% of the water is stored in the snowpack and there's hardly anything in the snowpack.

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I mean, I was just foolishly climbed my Whitney about a month ago, and there was, when I did about 10 years ago, there was a lot of snow.

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There was no snow when I did it a month earlier. It was just nothing up there, and I mean that's not a big data point, but pretty scary.

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Because of this, we don't have any place to even store the water that's running off,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So if we go to the next slide,

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so all this bad stuff's

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happening. So what can we do about it? Well, we can look at water conservation. If you remember

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those graphs, you know, 80% or so of the water, maybe it's 75% in the county, 27% indoor residential,

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20 and a half, 7 and a half percent outdoor residential 30 percent business.

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We can actually move the needle if we do something about climate change.

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So we got a lot of free stuff to give folks.

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We've been giving grants to people to rip out their lawn.

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We just double the grant.

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We have free rainwater barrels, kind of like the ones you see in Schupe Park, sister rebates

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gray water, which is taking kind of what runs off in your wash or what's in the shower,

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and turning into something you can put in your irrigation. You want to tip here's a tip.

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What I found is most gardeners feel the more water the better things look and the better that

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do their job. One thing you can do is go talk to your gardener and say one walk my irrigation

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system for leaks, too. It's surprising how many people have leaks and too. I'm not going to

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fire you if you're not keeping water on it. We're going to drop so be kind with the water. Oh,

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we have things will come out to your house and inspect it both indoor and outdoor and we won't

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share anything that we find. We have a cool website that it's like Amazon and we have a shopping cart,

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but it doesn't cost anything to get things like water efficient, shower heads, et cetera.

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So, I mean, you can get up to $3,000 for just taking out your lawn and if you have any

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businesses, we have all this stuff that will give you for free to help work on your business.

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And in fact, for larger businesses, you can get over up to $100,000 in this stuff.

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So we got good water conservation programs

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because we're big believers in carrots, not at the sticks,

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but if we go under the next slide.

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Oh, this is another cool thing we're doing.

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We're recycling water to be able to use it on irrigation,

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including red woods because we came up with $16 million

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to help upgrade the plant, the wastewater plant that

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I lost out to her sister's part.

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Part of with Mountain View and Palo Alto in a couple other cities. So that would be like lower sewer rates

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as the way I think of that. Plus, we plan the buy, the affluent, the wastewater discharge. And

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we cycle it. And that will be paying the highest price ever for wastewater. People use

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your own pay for wastewater. But that's money that will flow back to the city, depending on how much

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we buy from the city, we'll probably build this new plant

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in either Pelaltoe or San Jose.

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So this is definitely one thing we could do,

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we get 5% of our water now from recycling and purification.

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We can raise that probably with the Pelaltoe plant,

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but 10%.

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So this is definitely a solution,

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and everyone's gonna ask about decalinization.

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I'm totally for it.

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The problem is, the ocean's pretty far,

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and the coastal range is in the middle,

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And the amount of energy to lift the water over the Santa Cruz mountains is the price would be just out of reach.

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So, I'm for it, it just doesn't work well here.

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And the ocean is full of salt.

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The wastewater doesn't have as much salt, so it takes less energy.

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All right, I'll make this quick, because I know you have a lot of things to do.

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We do have a plan, but it's not like Mark Zuckerberg can go write some code and solve this problem.

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This is a problem we're going to be facing, even if we have a wet winter for a year or two.

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And if we have a dry winter, we're going to have to do some pretty, we're going to have for some additional authority and maybe work through the cities to do some heroic efforts.

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So it's not in joke. I know we had crisis overload. We all do, but this is yet another crisis there.

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your list, but this is very serious. So I stand here that not only ask questions, but see what kind

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of problems I can solve for Los Alters. So I'll shut up. Thank you, Gary. Thanks for this presentation.

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Very helpful and informative. As you know, for special items, we can't take any action, but I will

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open it up to my colleagues to see if they have any questions for you. I will do virtual hands. I'm

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of scores on my screen right now.

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So council members, do you have any questions for Mr.

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Creman?

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Council member Meadows.

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Thank you, Mr. Creman, for your presentation.

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Are there any plans I'm going to keep talking about?

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Anderson Reservoir has been closed for 10 years.

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Is there any plans to accelerate to get that back online?

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I mean, that's certainly, of course,

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then you still got to fill it.

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So that's not easy either.

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But what's the story there?

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What's the story is, we built Hoover Dam in three years, but I hate it myself, the amount of state and federal permits, my read of the situation is that we're really in a, okay, I'll tell you really what's going on.

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The conflict is kind of between the people who hate the damn in one, the creed coyote

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creed to be there all the time.

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In fact, they were the ones kind of jamming up us fixing this project a long time ago.

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Versus those that want to repair it and those that want to use a certain kind of workforce

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and those that want to have federal level permits from fish and wildlife and furq.

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I don't even think I could lift the EIR that's coming out, it's so heavy.

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But I guess if we sent it to the National Guard, we could probably do it in four years.

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But people don't listen to my suggestion on that.

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And they'll think I'm a cook when I say that publicly.

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It's hard to build projects in California.

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You know that. Try to get out communal fix.

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You know, it's tap.

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Thank you, Gary. Thanks, Councilmember Meadows. Councilmember Weinberg.

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Thank you, Mary. Mayor. Gary. Sorry, I can buy Mayor and I'm Gary. Gary, thank you for the work that you do for the water district and thank you very much for this presentation.

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What are two or three things that you think the city has an entity can do to help alleviate the

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crisis or to do our part, self-conserve? Conservation, conservation, conservation. It's outreach

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to the folks, I come across a lot of people who don't know where and are out. Of course we know

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how people's COVID information is, but the drought has just not penetrated a lot of the homeowners

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here. You know, we see it in the numbers. You know, you know, you're aware of it, but there's

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people who aren't. How do we know that? The water is hasn't gone down.

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While we're getting a lot more applications for rebates, it's not like we're overwhelmed by

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them. So I would think communications through your list, through next door, through other

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social media you have, I mean, who's against the fact that you get free money to do this

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stuff? Because don't forget, if you use less water, you pay less. But we haven't gotten consumer

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customer awareness and, you know, Cal Water, you know, I'm not criticizing them, but their

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model is not like the electricity model where decoupled profits from revenue. You know, utilities

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won't tell you, but I will tell you that the less they sell, I'm talking about water utilities,

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the less they sell, the less money they make. And it's not like the power industry where the better

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conservation is the more money they make. We don't have that decoupling here. So, they won't say

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but there's kind of an incentive not to bring on the conservation message. I know it's crazy.

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We should be showing up at the park, the lobby. But that, you know how long things take

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at the park. So we gotta our focus is now today conservation. And especially in the Cal Waterers,

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I'm not criticizing more. Thank you. Thanks, Councilmember Weinberg. And thanks for that, Gary.

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I don't see any more hands raised. I will tell you that I will be following up with you, Gary,

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to ensure all that money you mentioned that our city should be getting that we're actually

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getting it. So I will be in touch. But thank you again for being here. And I know you're missing

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a meeting. So thank you. No, thank you. I almost lived to give money to Los Altecos. So let's figure

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that out. Okay. Okay. Thank

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you. I thought that was very timely and helpful. We'll keep going

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and the next agenda item is changes to the order of the agenda. And before I look to my colleagues

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to see if they have any changes, I do want to point out that, you know, we no longer have the COVID-19

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emergency standing item on our agenda. Obviously, it's still a top priority for the city under council,

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but it will now be incorporated into the staff report. And of course, if there's specific

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items related to COVID-19 and or respond those in the address in specific items.

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Okay, so with that, let me see if they're any hands.

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I don't see any hands raised. And so before we go to public comment on items not on the agenda, I also wanted to read just based on a question that was raised at our last council meeting before the summer.

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about the process for continuing items, you know, at the end of our agenda and this line which has been there, you know, from like, since I've been on council and I'm sure before where it says council norms.

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It will be the custom to have a recess at approximately 9 p.m. prior to the recess, the mayor shall announce whether any items will be carried over to the next meeting.

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The established hour after which no new items will be started is 11 PM.

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Remaining items, however, may be considered by consensus of the council.

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So, essentially, you can override my decision at 9 PM,

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and I just wanted to make sure everybody was aware of that language and the process were followed.

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And so with that, we'll continue on to public comments on items not on the agenda.

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City Clerk, if you could help me, do we have any hands raised from members of the public?

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And again, this item is for items not on the agenda, so if you're here to speak about a specific item,

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then you'd have to wait until we get to that item.

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So, City Clerk, do we have any hands raised?

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Yes, Madam Mayor, at this time we have three hands raised.

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The first speaker is Roda Fry.

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Okay, with three hands raised, let's do three minutes each.

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Okay, I now have four hands.

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Okay, let's start with Roda.

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Roda.

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Roda, can you hear us?

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Roda.

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Roda, if you can hear us, we can't hear you.

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And so maybe you want to call back in or a city court, does it appear as if she's youth?

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I'm using an outdated version and you have to help. He appears to be unmuted.

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Roda. Okay, we can, the next speaker is a number and it is 9767.

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I think I hear.

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I fixed myself. Can you hear me? This is Roda. Yes. Yes. Oh, hooray. Okay. I did a test before getting on and everything worked.

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And then it, anyway, good evening council members.

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It should not surprise you that I'm going to talk about the two queries.

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I'm not speaking to agenda item 13.

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Steven's query has just received an omnibus notice

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of violation from the county.

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For 24 building violations, five environmental health

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violations, nine fire violations, and five zoning violations.

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Now this Thursday on August 26, the planning commission will be

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making a consequential decision to determine whether Stephens Creek

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Quarry is zoned for importing, processing, and reselling rock from Lehigh.

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County staff recommends a no vote, which is supported by the City of

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Cupertino, the open-space district Santa Clara Valley Audubon,

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Green Foot Hills, among others.

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A yes vote would indefinitely delay reclamation of the Quarry site,

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continue up to 1,300 truck trips, daily, and pollute the Stephen's Creek Reservoir.

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It could also cause a deficit of rock needed at Lehigh to build a buttress to protect our

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ridge line. I'm hoping that the City of Los Alters can write a letter of support for County

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Staff's recommendation for not accepting Stephen's Creek quarries zoning determination application.

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As to Lehigh, you have a long break, so I allow this, Lehigh is now running two new businesses on site, which in my opinion should not be allowed.

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First, instead of using on-site materials to manufacture cement, Lehigh is now importing all materials. This is a significant change of use.

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Lehigh has built a new rock plant that is significantly different from the rock plant that

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terminated operations in 2011.

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Specifically, it uses a dry process rather than a wet process so you've got unwashed

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aggregate leaving the site and that's an issue.

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Not only that, back Med has approved an additional 20,000 trucks per year, over and above

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the 70,000 trucks permitted for the cement plant along with other uncounted trucks.

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And again, let's not forget the 1,300 trucks allowed daily from Stephen's Creek quarry.

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Lee Heiz application initially failed cancer risk calculations at backmed.

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But then backmed lawyers called for recalculating.

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I really get worried when lawyers tell engineers what to do.

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I sent a very long email on these issues for today's public comment for further reading.

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Hope you get a chance to look at it.

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Again, my most urgent ask tonight is to please participate in the zoning,

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determination for Steven's Creek Quarry. Thank you very much. Thanks, Rota.

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Our next, our next speaker is it's a number to call in with the last four numbers nine seven six seven.

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A caller nine six or I'm sorry nine seven six seven.

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Okay. Um, our next speaker then is Janine ballad as.

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Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. Thank you for the time. Um, all I'm going to say today.

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Today is to reiterate something that happened at the end of the norms and procedures meeting.

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I am very pleased and encouraged to see that the council will hopefully agendize discussion

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of section 6.8 and make it more substantive portion of the norms and procedures.

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So I'm all for that.

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And then secondly, with regard to the same document, I was a little bit befuddled by the various

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conversations that try to focus on the norms aspects of the document at the expense of the

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procedures aspects of the document. So perhaps at some point somebody can clarify for me,

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I always believe that the procedures aspect was just as important. So there were some discussion

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on various topics that tended to say, well, let's, let's not focus on procedures or drill

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down on procedures and there's a little troubling to me, but I won't bog down the moon with specifics.

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I just want to bring that issue up, because I want to understand what the whole-

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Local document that it was always for me, been a very balanced document in terms of the ideals of the norms, but then also drilling down on procedures. Thank you. That's it. Thanks.

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Our next speaker is Rob Sealy.

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Mr. Sealy.

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Mr. Sealy. Rob Sealy.

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Mayor, I have the two, the two speakers, one with 9767 and Rob Sealy. Both of them are unmuted.

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No, I see that. Thank you, City Clerk. If they can hear us and they would like to share their comments, please feel free to send an email to

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to public comments one word at Los Alto C.A.

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Got God.

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Are you able to hear me now?

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Yes, we can hear you.

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Okay, thank you. This is Rob Celia Apologies. I was having

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a little technical difficulty. So thank you so much to the council for

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for this topic and for having Gary Creman on to talk about this issue. I am with

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Cal Water. I am the Community Affairs Specialist for the area and I just wanted to

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add a little something basically just let everyone know that that we are in fact dedicated to

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conservation and working not only with value water as we have been in the past and then really

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appreciate their partnership as well as with the city I know we're on the consent calendar this evening

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as well and and I really appreciate the support from the city and look forward to continuing to work

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with you as we all get through this route. So thank you. Thank you Rob and thanks for being here.

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then the final speaker would be eight, nine, seven, six, seven.

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And again, it's that person from us.

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Yes, we can hear you.

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I thought I heard them.

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Okay, I'm going to say that again, so we can move on.

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But again, please feel free to send an email to public comments.

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At Los AldosCA.gov, or we apologize that the technology is working right now.

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Thank you.

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So going down our agenda council next we have our consent calendar and as usual, if no council member would like to remove an item from consent, then I will entertain emotion to approve the entire consent calendar.

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I'm looking for hands from the panelists list.

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Again, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent calendar.

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If no council member would like to pull an item.

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So, number one to me, heard me in so moved.

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So, because I'm doing the virtual hands, council member will be sorry.

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So, I can't remember a wine bird.

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I was going to make the motion, but I'll second council member, Leahy's motion.

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Okay, so we have the motion by council member, really,

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seconded by council member Weinberg. And so with that city clerk, let's go to the attendees list to see if we have any comments from the public on the consent calendar.

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I still have the person with the number 9767 with their hand raised again.

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Okay, thanks, City Clerk. So we'll bring it back to Council. And so we have the motion, and it's second day to City Clerk. Can you please call the roll?

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Sure. Vice-marie Nander?

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Yes. Council member Meadows?

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Council member Lee Ying?

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Yes.

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Mayor Flyger?

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Yes.

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And Council member Weinberg?

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Yes.

415
00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:17,130
Thank you. The motion passes five to zero.

416
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:19,470
Thank you, City Clerk.

417
00:39:20,110 --> 00:39:26,590
Okay, we'll keep going. Next, we will have item number nine, which is a public hearing.

418
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:35,510
And it's ordinance number 2021, dash 4, 7, 8, ZTA, 20, dash 0, 0, 3, the zoning text

419
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:43,470
amendments. And so with that, I see we have our city manager and Mr. Biggs. And so I will

420
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:50,290
Do you hear that? I did my gavel. Open the public hearing and turn it over to Mr. England and Mr.

421
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:51,310
Biggs.

422
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:59,270
Thank you, Mayor. So what council has before you tonight is the objective standards, the city council and planning commission have dedicated.

423
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:16,040
A great deal of time to this topic, and it's been well spent. We're at the point tonight where council has had the opportunity after the last meeting to hear this item several times, as well as provide individual comments, which hopefully were successfully incorporated into the latest draft.

424
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:25,460
We'd like council to conclude at least the initial discussion of the objectives standards this evening by approving one of the alternative listed in the staff report.

425
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:39,080
Council is comfortable and wants to make no additional changes are only minor changes. Option one would be adoption of the objective standards. Option two is if Council would like to make further changes at our substantive.

426
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:50,600
We'd ask the city council to adopt the ordinance as presented tonight and refer the areas of changes are concerned back to the planning commission for further study and recommendation.

427
00:40:51,380 --> 00:41:06,600
option three would be to adopt the recommendation initially made by the planning commission and the final option would be to further amend the ordinance this evening and then send the entire document back not just the changes to the planning commission and of course Council is able to make

428
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:14,000
other approvals as it sees necessary. So with that we're available for questions.

429
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,480
Thank you Mr. England. Mr. Biggs do you have anything to add?

430
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:30,420
Hello, this new city manager covered the topic quite well and we're available along with the consultant team to answer any questions that the council members might have.

431
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,060
Thank you.

432
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:40,720
And I really appreciate how Mr. England laid it out the options before us and so when we get to the discussion point of the item I'll go over those as well to guide the discussion.

433
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:46,100
But right now, I'm going to turn to council members to see if they have any questions,

434
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:49,990
looking for virtual hands.

435
00:41:53,420 --> 00:42:04,800
Okay, see no virtual hands raised and so with that city clerk, do we have any members of the public that would like to comment on item number nine, the objective standards.

436
00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:15,070
I just met a mayor. I have one hand that would be John Bear. Okay. Two hands.

437
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:21,980
I have two people indicating a desire to speak three minutes.

438
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,140
Yep. Thank you. Thank you.

439
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:32,240
So I would encourage this council to make the obvious changes that need to be made.

440
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:40,360
I've sent my comments, I think there probably will be some comments from council, and that

441
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:47,680
you approve it, but then you send it back to the Planning Commission with direction.

442
00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:56,960
There are still significant omissions and commissions and things that need to be changed

443
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,100
in the document.

444
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:13,480
So it's not a time to, as they say, break out the broosties, it's time to go and get this document corrected and get it right because it's going to be with us for very long time.

445
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:16,360
And there are a number of areas that need correction.

446
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,320
There are some policy issues at the council.

447
00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:22,820
Mayor may not be able to weigh in tonight.

448
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:32,720
They are play height issues that need to be addressed for the betterment of the community.

449
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,400
And lastly,

450
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,220
none of us know if what's been produced here is correct.

451
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:50,550
And for any of us to think that its correct is sheer ignorance,

452
00:43:52,630 --> 00:44:05,550
this document needs to be tested to see if the projects we like, make it through the screen and the projects we don't like, or don't want to see in town, don't make it through the screen.

453
00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:22,890
And while I do appreciate the planning commission recommended not doing that, I think the council in its better judgment needs to override the planning commission and have that done either by the planning commission or by staff.

454
00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:28,970
But until you test these objective standards against projects,

455
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:35,070
real projects, you're not going to know if they are the correct objective standards,

456
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:41,270
whether there are any obvious or non-obvious holes in the document

457
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:45,710
that will need to be corrected. And we really don't want to be in a position

458
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:51,470
of correcting these things after the fact. After the building has been approved,

459
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:55,350
and we say, oh no, we blew it.

460
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:56,830
Thank you very much.

461
00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:59,450
Thank you, John.

462
00:45:01,710 --> 00:45:04,610
So, did Clark do we still have that other hand raised?

463
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:13,950
It was, I promoted that person to a panelist and they appeared to be unmuted as a panelist.

464
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:17,050
So, that person would need to speak up.

465
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:18,050
Can you hear me?

466
00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:20,090
Yes, we can hear you. There you are.

467
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:27,470
I'll just be brief. I was for some reason I raised my hand, but I wasn't given permission to speak on items on the agenda.

468
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:29,530
So, I don't know how you want to deal with this.

469
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:32,150
So go ahead, go ahead sir.

470
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:45,150
Okay, so real quickly, I found out yesterday in a meeting with the new city manager, which went very well, that you're going to open up the community center and the senior centers,

471
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:47,890
but you're not going to require a proof of vaccination.

472
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:54,050
And I checked with fellow seniors and we really think that's a very bad policy.

473
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:56,910
and the cinematic told us that it could be done,

474
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:58,490
but it apparently has some complications.

475
00:45:59,350 --> 00:46:04,250
So I trust that he can talk to you about what the issues really are.

476
00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:08,930
But I did a quick check today and found out a number of things.

477
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:11,730
One is Avenue's Rose Cleaner Center.

478
00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:13,430
Requires proof of vaccination.

479
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:15,290
Sunnydale Center does not.

480
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:19,610
San Francisco requires all indoor activities of any consequence,

481
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:22,530
including this one, to have proof of vaccination.

482
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:35,350
And I do know from my grandson that MIDI has had an outbreak of 12 COVID cases already because they don't require a proof of vaccination and they don't do social distancing.

483
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:38,670
I don't know if we're doing that in the current rules.

484
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:45,570
But if you don't do proof of vaccination, I personally will never go to the senior center here. I will go elsewhere.

485
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:51,750
So, I think if you really care about seniors, you need to protect us and the current policy does not.

486
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:53,490
Thank you very much.

487
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:54,910
Thanks, Frank.

488
00:46:59,730 --> 00:47:04,070
Okay, so no other hands raised for item number nine.

489
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:05,670
Is that correct, city clerk?

490
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:06,570
That's correct.

491
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:10,970
Okay, so then let's bring it back to council for discussion.

492
00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:13,790
And the city manager at the beginning laid out the four options.

493
00:47:13,810 --> 00:47:15,210
And they're in the staff report.

494
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:22,230
And I think this is the ninth meeting that we're having on the objectives standards.

495
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:28,910
I remember the first couple of meetings I had a lot of flags on my documents and markings and suggestions and edits.

496
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:31,410
And we had a lot of robust discussions.

497
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:44,250
And so, you know, I would really like us to really move towards option one tonight if possible, which is we adopt, you know, the best version of the objectives standards that we can.

498
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:51,470
And then if we need to give direction to the planning commission or have any subsequent meeting, then we can do that as well.

499
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:57,430
So with that, the format we want to follow tonight is basically to go through the red lights.

500
00:47:57,630 --> 00:48:08,370
Like all council members were asked to submit their comments or red lights or the current draft of the objective standards and our consultants and staff have responded to it.

501
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:14,050
So I hope there's nothing outside of that, but obviously if there is now is the time to raise it.

502
00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:29,250
And so the format we would like to follow is go through the different comments that were raised and the responses to see if the council members who raised those comments have any follow-up questions for the consultant or staff.

503
00:48:29,810 --> 00:48:36,970
And so we should all have in our packets and I really appreciated the way staff laid out their responses to our comments.

504
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:39,110
I thought it was well done, so thank you.

505
00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:42,630
And I will start with council member Lien

506
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:46,010
and vice mayor inander with your comments.

507
00:48:46,110 --> 00:48:47,990
And I'll turn it over to you

508
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:51,430
if you want to go through each comment

509
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:53,170
or if you have any follow up questions

510
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:54,650
because as far as we're concerned,

511
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:58,650
this is a follow up that we need to really close.

512
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:05,210
So vice mayor, I think council member Meadows had her hand up first.

513
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:18,210
Oh, I didn't see that. I'm sorry. Councilmember Meadows. That's okay. And this is the reason I just want to make this comment before we go through the exercise you're talking about is because it has to do with the language of the ordinance itself.

514
00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:40,770
And I apologize to staff that I got my comments on that in late, but there's actually two duplications in section one amendment of the code, which is page 204 facade is identifying twice and line was identified twice.

515
00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:59,210
When responding to my comments, they caught one of those, and they didn't catch the other duplications, so they're actually two duplications, and facade and lines should be only in there one. So, I just, that's kind of a one off from the exercise you introduced, Mayor, but I wanted to have that, that cleared up.

516
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:09,180
Okay, thanks for that, Council Member Meadows, and I noted that. It's a little come back to just to make sure that's been addressed. And I also want to I don't see Marus.

517
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:17,960
Either on the panelist or attendees, but as you know, he also submitted some comments and there were responses to those.

518
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:25,660
But let's start with the vice mayor and councilmember Lee Eng and going through their comments.

519
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:33,760
And again, vice mayor and councilmember Lee Eng, you know, as well. If you're satisfied with the response, they great. Let's move on.

520
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:37,320
So with that, vice mayor, in anger, councilmember Lee Eng go ahead.

521
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:46,520
I think it would be very helpful. Mayor, if the city clerk or some of the staff member could put up the attachment.

522
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,520
because it was, as you said, so nicely laid out

523
00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:58,360
and maybe make it a little bigger.

524
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:05,140
Is that big enough, Vice Mayor?

525
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Yeah, I think I can manage that one if we can go to the beginning, please.

526
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:14,350
So this is where your comments start before this is Marus.

527
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:22,610
Well, I think we should go back and have give our planning commissioner the respect of looking at his,

528
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:26,930
his,

529
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:28,570
Marus is going to join us?

530
00:51:28,810 --> 00:51:29,970
Well, okay, that was great.

531
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:32,670
If he's going to be joining us later, that's fine.

532
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:35,410
So let's start with number five.

533
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,120
So my question here really is for the city attorney,

534
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:59,580
because my concern is whether

535
00:52:01,340 --> 00:52:05,020
we, where we stand on legal law and conforming.

536
00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:31,500
If is there a way to, I mean, do we accept and are we okay with now likely, because no one has actually tested these, but likely, nearly all the buildings that are, for example, on El Camino and First Street that have been built in the last 10 years, will be non-conforming under these standards.

537
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,360
So that's a question really for the city attorney.

538
00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:40,490
Dolly?

539
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:42,950
And I'm trying to, yes.

540
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:50,550
So these buildings will be non-conforming to the current design,

541
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:53,290
zone, you know, the zoning and the design.

542
00:52:55,570 --> 00:52:58,170
So they will be able to exist.

543
00:52:58,490 --> 00:53:02,950
And is your question then, is if they do substantial changes to those,

544
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:09,870
they then have to be brought to the new the new current code. Is that your question? Because

545
00:53:09,870 --> 00:53:15,590
land is not going to be able to go back and impose these objectives. Yeah. Well,

546
00:53:15,770 --> 00:53:22,710
now my understanding is that if they were to want to change more than 50% or if there were to be for

547
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:28,550
example some sort of catastrophic, you know, fire or otherwise that destroyed more than 50% of the building

548
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:34,450
then they would have to make them conforming to the current code.

549
00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:40,610
And I don't know if there's a way rather than rebuilding what was there before, and that was approved.

550
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:47,550
So my question is, in the past when the downtown buildings committee wanted to make some recommendations,

551
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:50,470
and it would have caused several buildings to become non-conforming,

552
00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,730
we were given as an argument why we couldn't do what we wanted to do,

553
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:58,210
that it was a really bad idea to make a bunch of buildings non-conforming.

554
00:53:58,570 --> 00:54:06,670
So are we now just going, are we accepting now that we are going to make a bunch of buildings non-conforming and just not worry about it and let whatever happen happens?

555
00:54:08,490 --> 00:54:22,840
I think that's what we would need to do because if I don't know how we could legitimately carve out exceptions if we're going to make some buildings legal non-conforming and not all,

556
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:33,340
But I mean, I've deferred John Viggs about that, but I don't, I don't, there's nothing wrong with being a legal non-conforming building.

557
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:42,660
I don't know until you want to rebuild it or you have a catastrophic problem like a fire and then you can't build the building back that you had before.

558
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:59,980
So, and that's the safety valve is if it's destroyed more than 50% or you decide to modify it more than 50% so people are aware that if you're going to go demo building downtown, you know, let's say you

559
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,540
Clear the site, you're going to have to come back and build to the new design of objective standards.

560
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:17,920
So I just think it's really important that somehow we've, that we're cleared all of these building owners that we have done these buildings for in the last, you know, any years, which there's been a number.

561
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:29,980
That we are about to declare their buildings non-conforming with all that that entails, which is admittedly not much unless they want to substantially change the building or they have a fire kind of decision.

562
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:30,840
situation.

563
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,480
Yeah, I don't know if we have to get them noticed, but, well, that's the kind

564
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,540
of thing I'm asking. I want to be sure we are legally doing all the right things. And if

565
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:47,720
there is a carve out and as a policy we want to do a carve out, then how would we go about

566
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:54,640
doing that? So, Vice Mayor, we could, I'd have to confirm with the code, but typically cities

567
00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:59,480
have a catastrophic, or what's called a burn letter,

568
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:03,740
whereas buildings that are legally non-conforming at the time,

569
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:06,720
where their destroyed can be rebuilt

570
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,060
as they were approved previously.

571
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:13,840
We can look in the code for that if it doesn't exist,

572
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:18,440
if that would be one of the legal carve-outs that you're discussing.

573
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,940
That I think that should go, because I'm going to try to do

574
00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:27,860
the mayor suggested and go with auction one, but I think that needs to go on the list of things

575
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:35,280
to look at after tonight because it's not, it's not an insignificant issue with the number of buildings

576
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,560
we've had with us. Right now our code doesn't say that. I don't think so either I've never heard

577
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:49,840
such a thing in our code. I mean this we were trying to work within the existing code section,

578
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,420
especially if you're not conforming section.

579
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,260
And that's where the 50% threshold does come about or come

580
00:56:57,260 --> 00:57:01,580
from, you know, vice mayor and Andrew is correct by adopting

581
00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:02,720
these objective standards.

582
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,900
It will make a lot of existing buildings and our multi-family

583
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:09,980
residential zone districts legal none conforming.

584
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:13,480
And if they're going to be doing some alterations in their exceeding

585
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,540
a demolition at 50% of the floor area or the facades of the

586
00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:21,760
things, then they're going to trigger the need to comply with these new objective standards.

587
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,120
What we could do is what Vice Mayor and Anderson suggested, we could go back and take a look at

588
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:35,140
our non-conforming section, and as the City Manager, England said that we could come up with

589
00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:41,180
a carve out that would recognize that certain buildings, if they were built before a certain time,

590
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:47,560
or had other aspects to them, they could be exempt from compliance with these standards should you adopt it.

591
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:53,400
And that is what I had asked that we do the last time and it didn't kind of get looked at.

592
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,640
So I would like to keep it on the list. It was my number two. I mean, I had two questions here and

593
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,520
number two and it didn't kind of get handled. So I think it's important that we handled this for

594
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,680
of the sake of our business community.

595
00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:10,360
Okay, so that's noted by snare.

596
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,960
Thank you, so keep going.

597
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:14,280
Unless councilmember Engel wants to add anything.

598
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,160
And I just want to say that it looks like we do have a section

599
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,400
in our code non-conforming structures damage for restoration.

600
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:26,180
That as long as work begins within six months,

601
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:27,640
they're able to rebuild legally.

602
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,180
But we could expand on that

603
00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:33,520
and make sure that the carve out is exactly what council

604
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,900
is looking for. Right. And I'm just speaking for me, but I think the mayor I want to kind of get a

605
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:46,520
head count of concurrence before staff spends time on this. No, I'm we're going to do the list and then

606
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,800
come back at the end. Okay. Just to get through this, then councilmember Lee and any additional comments

607
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,460
on on this item.

608
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:03,160
American, I see something about this. This is Lisa wise. Yeah, I believe I believe

609
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,040
though the non-conforming issue would have to go

610
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,020
the non-conforming ordinance.

611
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,460
So I think everybody's clear on that.

612
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,040
And we are trying to meet state requirements

613
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,580
with the objective design standards

614
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:16,420
when it comes to compliance with existing regulations.

615
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:23,240
But I think, and John, or the attorney can chime in,

616
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,820
if they wanted to go to a discretionary process,

617
00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:30,000
an applicant can do that if they want to do,

618
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,120
put in exactly what they had before.

619
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:43,380
So objective design standards are for the buy rate. If you want to go buy rate and not get caught up in that long longer process, but that other way is still out there.

620
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:54,180
So I agree with you, Councilman and the, I'm not conforming regulations, probably need to be revisited, but that would be another escape has to.

621
00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:57,700
So my comment on that, I'm here. Sorry.

622
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:58,480
Don't go ahead.

623
00:59:59,340 --> 00:59:59,980
Is.

624
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:20,020
I think I agree with the vice mayor because I don't think that with the, how it's written currently, with insurance purposes, you know, insurance approval takes a lot longer and just six months is not sufficient. So that's another reason why I would concur with her.

625
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:26,960
I'll take in. Thank you. Okay. Can you please see him? Nice Mayor and council member. Go ahead.

626
01:00:27,580 --> 01:00:28,440
Next item.

627
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:31,120
We're just running.

628
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:33,960
Okay.

629
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:45,440
So I think that my concern here is the overall question of weather and this again is for the city attorney.

630
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:56,340
Whether we adequately have defined a sloping roof form in as much as the goal here is to meet the state requirement on objective standards.

631
01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:13,580
So if someone comes in and says, I have, in fact, embedded my top floor or my setback floor, my fourth floor, depending on what zone you're in and the building in a sloping roof form, do we have a definition of a sloping roof form that is legally sufficient.

632
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,700
Who's going to take this one Mr. Biggs, Mr. England, Lisa?

633
01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:34,220
1%, 2%, 5%, 10%, what constitutes a slope here?

634
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:36,140
Address the question.

635
01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:49,830
If sloping roof form is sufficiently defined for objective standards, do we need a percentage?

636
01:01:51,310 --> 01:01:59,610
because this comment says what is, you know, what is, what is a sloping roof form and what is acceptable.

637
01:02:00,630 --> 01:02:07,110
So, I don't know if the consultant can comment on that,

638
01:02:10,580 --> 01:02:10,580
but.

639
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:14,960
Lisa, do you want to address that comment in question?

640
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,600
Sure, I can chime in. I believe Drew and Monica are on the line two.

641
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:29,920
I think the way the code is right now or the draft objective design standard there's no definition for sloping roof.

642
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,960
So this is a this is a potentially a good comment again by the council member.

643
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,600
I think if it's to just eliminate answered roof so which are.

644
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,880
Maybe not something of city wants to see as we would just could just go with that also.

645
01:02:45,820 --> 01:03:01,300
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not meaning to question the man's sort of roof. My original question had to do with whether what we were going to end up with was all man's art roofs, which I, which goes to the question of trying to apply these and seeing kind of where we are going to end up.

646
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:04,280
but which is still, I think, an issue,

647
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:06,080
but not the one I'm raising here,

648
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:11,440
which is the legal sufficiency of what constitutes a sloping roof form

649
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,700
because I know that we went back in

650
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:18,140
and in order to be clearer about our code

651
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:20,820
on how we measure the height of roofs,

652
01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:25,020
we had to make some modifications based on a bad experience

653
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:26,720
that we had with a real project.

654
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,880
And I would hate to see us have to fix something

655
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:36,900
after another bad experience having to do with what constitutes a sloping roof form if we can get out ahead of it.

656
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,340
Mayor, can I come in?

657
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:39,700
Yes.

658
01:03:41,140 --> 01:03:42,780
So my Mayor, thank you.

659
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,800
My question would be then as well.

660
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:54,060
Then to the attorney and the reason why I think it needs to be defined because if we were to deny projects,

661
01:03:54,060 --> 01:04:10,080
because we felt that the slope in the roof was not sufficient and, you know, would it stand up in court or, you know, might that would be to our city attorney.

662
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:17,420
And that's the reason why I feel clear definition is important.

663
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:41,420
So this raised a good point and we need a definition of sloping roof form and that's going to be some sort of percentage which I think the planning staff for the consultants are going to have I will need to define sloping roof form.

664
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:48,760
I mean, I mean, so I'll just, so I mean, I don't understand the point, I think I understand it from the beginning.

665
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:59,760
Lisa is there a definition for sloping roof form because if you look at the intent.

666
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,080
Of this language, right? It's a conflict. There's a real reason why we want this dialogue group.

667
01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:14,720
And so is there a definition to say it must be spoken to a certain angle in order to give us that?

668
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:21,940
How would you define it if there's a way to do a definition for a sloping room form to accomplish our goal here?

669
01:05:25,170 --> 01:05:32,070
Rules are typically defined as, like, so much drop, you know, across the certain plane.

670
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:36,690
So that's, I think, what we would try to do is, what's the pitch you want to roof?

671
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:40,790
Can you define it over the drop over certain range?

672
01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:46,130
But I think that's what we would need to do if you want to avoid flat roofs or flat roof.

673
01:05:46,330 --> 01:05:52,590
So I think that's, that's what we can say that this is, you know, the men max or the range of the city is looking for.

674
01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:59,650
Yeah, we want to be sure that the definition, whatever it is, allows for, you know, hip

675
01:05:59,650 --> 01:06:04,770
roofs and so on and not just mancer roofs in the process.

676
01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:10,110
But again, Mayor, I think this belongs on a separate list of things to be done expeditiously

677
01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:12,030
after we've approved these.

678
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:13,890
Okay.

679
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:37,690
The next one has to do with the commercial neighborhood zone and currently, although there is a height limit in the zone, there is no requirement for the first floor to be 12 feet as we find in most of our other commercial zones.

680
01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:57,510
And yet if you scroll down a little bit more, would please, we have now added a new requirement that says if it's non-residential, the first floor has to be at least two feet taller than the floor or floors above and if it's residential it needs to be 12 inches, one foot more.

681
01:06:57,510 --> 01:07:13,430
I am very, very uncomfortable with adding this new requirement because I think this has the effect of pushing toward taller buildings, which is contrary to what we have always wanted in the CN zone.

682
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:19,190
The CN zone we've always gone for the lowest possible profile to get the job done.

683
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:30,450
And by imposing a two foot differential in non-residential, which would be where you have commercial stuff on the first floor, which is what we generally have in this zone.

684
01:07:31,810 --> 01:07:36,210
We're forcing a taller building than what we might otherwise have.

685
01:07:36,370 --> 01:07:40,210
So I would like to strike this section all together.

686
01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:47,810
And because it is a brand new imposition, it is not reflection of anything that's in the current zone or current code.

687
01:07:47,810 --> 01:08:00,470
And then again, add this to a list for someone to look at and say, hey, what are we really trying to do with this and what what makes sense in this zone if anything.

688
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:29,360
Could we ask Drew think about because design to comment to it because he's, he's our design consultant on these standards, and I'm sure he has a design perspective in mind on what this particular sector was trying to achieve. So Drew, if you could address that.

689
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:37,360
Yeah, I'm happy to John. We had considered these standards as a way to address concerns.

690
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:53,240
We've heard early on in the project in terms of applications that had been brought forth that ultimately were not consistently put the community wanted to see and that one of the issues was sort of a squat building appearance.

691
01:08:53,240 --> 01:09:02,660
So when you have a ground floor that is either equivalent or less and height than floors above it, it tends to make the building look a little bit more squat.

692
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:20,380
So by requiring a taller ground floor that was really meant to overcome that issue, we looked at these numbers as sort of the way to do that that would have the least impact on over all height,

693
01:09:20,380 --> 01:09:47,440
So to the Vice Mayor's comment, if this requirement weren't there, your building could potentially be 24 inches shorter in the case that mixed use building. But again, that intent was really to create a street level that felt good as a pedestrian and to help provide a more appealing proportion overall for the building itself.

694
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:59,980
This recommendation was based on feedback that the consultant team got early in the process from stakeholders and conversations they were having with.

695
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,040
A variety of people, and it was really intended to, as Drew mentioned, provided a pedestrian friendly streetscape.

696
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:22,300
It's not intended at all to increase the overall height of buildings, but really an attempt to aesthetically and architecturally develop a relationship between the first floor level and upper floor levels, depending on the mix of uses that are in the building.

697
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:35,140
But yes, and I understand that, it is hard for me to imagine that there was comment about that regarding this particular zone given the positive development that we've had.

698
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:49,260
In this zone, I can understand it in a number of other zones, but imposing it here to me without further consideration of the exact kind of parcels we're looking at, just doesn't make any sense.

699
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:55,540
And my thought for their consideration, right, and my follow-up, so I understand the concern

700
01:10:55,540 --> 01:11:00,880
the vice mayor has, but I'm going to, you know, look at it from the other perspective

701
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:06,340
of if we were to completely strike the section as she's proposing, what's the downside?

702
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:14,100
I mean, if we're silent on this topic, what's the risk we run into if a project came

703
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:14,880
forward now?

704
01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:35,750
Well, it would result in buildings that this particular design element is trying to address that it would result in buildings that could appear squadier than what we're hoping to achieve.

705
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:43,650
It doesn't buildings that don't have that nice aesthetic relationship between the first four level and the upper floor levels.

706
01:11:43,650 --> 01:11:48,690
But I can't comment, ma'am, why doesn't it really end?

707
01:11:50,230 --> 01:11:59,510
The reason why we feel that it was important to strike this item is because this is like an opportunity for them to ask for a variance or changes.

708
01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:11,030
If we keep giving these give me and then we deny projects because, you know, we've already, this is already in here, that's like a clear give me.

709
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:17,010
and then if we were to deny a project we wouldn't have a legal standing. We have to look at the

710
01:12:17,010 --> 01:12:26,370
project of the whole gives us opportunity or assess projects and gives the developer an opportunity

711
01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:34,490
to ask for something. And sometimes we get trade-offs and we need that opportunity to have that

712
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:39,110
discussion? Yeah, I'm just thinking about, you know, oil

713
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:44,750
of corners, we just have any development in there that would

714
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:50,750
lead to a concern about squat buildings. And it's just, so

715
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:54,070
requiring it, and that's my concern, requiring it is very

716
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:56,870
different than allowing it. And you can always allow it when the

717
01:12:56,870 --> 01:13:00,030
project comes in. You can always discuss it when the project

718
01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:03,190
comes in. But to require it to require the two foot

719
01:13:03,190 --> 01:13:06,670
forential to me is potentially problematic.

720
01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:10,090
And then I'm willing to move on because the mayor will come back to.

721
01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:13,150
I will, but I see councilmember Meadows has her hungry.

722
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:15,810
And councilmember Meadows, councilmember Weinberg,

723
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:18,870
as we go through each comment, we're not doing a vote

724
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:20,890
on whether or not we support it.

725
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:24,270
But if you have questions as our colleagues are going through these comments,

726
01:13:24,370 --> 01:13:25,030
please let us know.

727
01:13:25,190 --> 01:13:26,270
So councilmember Meadows.

728
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:31,790
My comment here is going to be this is commercial neighborhood

729
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:40,590
and potentially to address some of the concern, this particular CN could have the residential

730
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:48,150
component where the ground floor is height plus one foot, but you could strike the height plus

731
01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:56,890
two foot for the non-residential. But I think, you know, commonly everywhere we require the first floor

732
01:13:56,890 --> 01:14:07,770
to be higher, so I'm just proposing that as potentially something to address the concern but to be a reasonable compromise on the aesthetic for the lower floor.

733
01:14:08,230 --> 01:14:09,850
I think that's a great idea.

734
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:14,210
Okay, thanks councilmember Meadows.

735
01:14:15,170 --> 01:14:18,430
Okay, vice mayor councilmember Lee Eng, we can keep going.

736
01:14:23,580 --> 01:14:27,020
Was it removed the verbiage for non residential?

737
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:32,480
Yes, I think it was to use the right hand diagram.

738
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:38,980
for any use. So it wouldn't matter if the first floor was residential or non-residential,

739
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,620
correct. Let's start with my suggestion anyway.

740
01:14:47,410 --> 01:14:54,210
Okay, I think we didn't want to strike that it had to be a minimum of, I think,

741
01:14:58,050 --> 01:14:59,870
We don't remember that.

742
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:13,820
The first suggestion was to make the 12 inch, the one foot differential, one foot more on the first floor compared to what's on upper floors as a minimum requirement apply irrespective of the use,

743
01:15:16,930 --> 01:15:20,450
no use diagram on the right on the right.

744
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:22,030
with the ones of the natural.

745
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:33,990
Okay. And so Vice Mayor, Enander,

746
01:15:34,170 --> 01:15:37,250
Council Member Lee, Eng, I'm looking at number eight. Right.

747
01:15:42,340 --> 01:15:44,400
So they've added that or they say

748
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:51,100
they're going to add that, but it's not added in. So it needs to have essentially the diagram we

749
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:57,060
were just discussing needs to be added into the CD section. It was missing. And the references and

750
01:15:57,060 --> 01:16:06,560
descriptions accordingly. And they agree. So check. They agree. This a document edited accordingly. So I just want to make sure that that actually happened.

751
01:16:13,890 --> 01:16:28,210
Okay. Ask a clarification about that comment. So ground floor residential is not permitted in the CD. So what we'll do is put the use the diagram.

752
01:16:28,210 --> 01:16:38,470
that chose ground floor non-residential and then is the comment to require a 12 inch difference?

753
01:16:38,650 --> 01:16:43,070
I want to make sure I'm understanding here.

754
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:43,970
Um,

755
01:16:46,730 --> 01:16:47,610
the,

756
01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:56,990
in, in CD, you're right, there is no currently, does it mean it couldn't happen?

757
01:16:57,330 --> 01:17:00,230
Depending on what the state does.

758
01:17:00,810 --> 01:17:07,630
Currently, there is no first floor residential permitted right permitted.

759
01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:26,570
So my suggestion, again, because there's a sensitivity about the height in that area to limit it to a required minimum one foot differential, they're likely to come in with more.

760
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:35,840
But again, I'm trying to reflect what I know is the general sensitivity about height.

761
01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:47,240
Okay, and on a date, it looks like the consultant or staff already responded that they agreed and

762
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,160
but okay

763
01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:52,300
this is a number nine

764
01:17:52,940 --> 01:17:56,740
so number nine is really an overall

765
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,300
concern and this is one for Jolie.

766
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:12,280
If we and if you can scroll down to a diagram, I really appreciate that just go down a little bit more. Thank you, great.

767
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:20,980
Julie, there is a passing reference not here to density bonus and we've been around the block on density bonus.

768
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:36,680
My concern is that if we require that the first floor, the two feet taller than the floors above.

769
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,740
And someone brings a project which has density bonus.

770
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:51,980
Have we set ourselves up to half to grant waivers for greater heights

771
01:18:51,980 --> 01:18:56,260
than we would want to have in order for the developer.

772
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,720
They're going to claim that they have to have the extra height they have

773
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:07,100
because G is they want 10 feet in their plate heights on their second, third, and fourth floors.

774
01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:13,520
And therefore, they've got to have 12 or maybe they want 11 feet plate heights on their upper floors.

775
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:16,300
And that means they have to have 13 feet on their first floors.

776
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:23,320
Are we basically backing ourselves into an unwindable situation where we can't deny

777
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:28,160
extra height that a developer just wants just because they just want higher plate heights?

778
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:38,140
Well, but they would still have to prove up that the waiver is never to actually corrupt the affordable units,

779
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:46,000
or the concession is necessary financially necessary with documentation, some sort of documentation,

780
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:53,540
that it would be financially infeasable if we did not grant the concession.

781
01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:59,980
So we have never successfully gotten anything from people to require them to show us that it.

782
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:12,760
This is financially infeasable. It's always been that's the height I want. That's the plate height I want. Therefore, you have to give me the height. And we've never been successful challenging that. And that is why I'm very nervous about this.

783
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:29,980
Well, we have required, I believe we did. We have had a project that when they wanted to redo the underground garage and they established that if they didn't have to go as deep that that was going to be.

784
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:36,200
I think that was a concession that it would actually be a big stage since then.

785
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,600
Stay long, finance on demonstrating need.

786
01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:46,560
I know it has changed and we can ask for reasonable documentation and that's what

787
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,520
we have asked.

788
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:53,420
I mean, we're not like some of the cities that actually ask for a performer, but we have been

789
01:20:53,420 --> 01:21:03,600
asking developers to show the financial benefit or the concession, and I'm sure that John and

790
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,680
Guido can support that.

791
01:21:05,940 --> 01:21:13,560
I know we have had to show when they wanted to change some of the parking requirements that

792
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:19,280
as a waiver to show that they couldn't construct the building without those waivers.

793
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:25,540
But I do know we have been asking for reasonable documentation.

794
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:31,800
But we are not a agency that has asked for performance, and under the law,

795
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,320
we can only ask for reasonable documentation.

796
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,680
Then I would like to ask that if we're going to have these diagrams here,

797
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:46,000
and I understand they're intent, and I appreciate the member of Lisa Wise

798
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:53,140
who explained this, that if we're going to leave these in, I would like to have the planning

799
01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:58,220
commission or at least a subgroup of architects who do this kind of thing. And we have some

800
01:21:58,220 --> 01:22:03,260
wonderfully competent people on our planning commission and former planning commissioners

801
01:22:03,260 --> 01:22:11,500
to look at if we have unintended potential problems by including these kind of diagrams in

802
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:22,700
of our commercial zones with the potential density bonus applications and say, you know, again,

803
01:22:22,860 --> 01:22:32,420
what have we got in the way of projects that we've approved and going forward, are we buying

804
01:22:32,420 --> 01:22:38,260
ourselves a headache or how do we make sure we don't buy ourselves a headache? So that's my request

805
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:45,660
So that would, so go ahead, doesn't really end.

806
01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:52,420
And we had a speaker that said that these projects need to be tested.

807
01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:58,080
This is a two example on we have some technology.

808
01:22:58,660 --> 01:23:01,300
We paid a lot of money for some of the technology we have.

809
01:23:01,860 --> 01:23:05,260
And we need to test to see if,

810
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:11,200
What we're describing here is going to result in much larger buildings.

811
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:18,760
So we should either work with staff to do so and help me and I'm a visual person.

812
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:24,500
And when we were doing this I kept saying I needed to see some models.

813
01:23:25,540 --> 01:23:28,520
And you know, everybody kept saying yes, I understand what you're asking for.

814
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:36,860
But I'd yet to see anything. And I still don't get a clear picture if this building was

815
01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:44,620
that we have and approved was applied and now they're asking for this, what would it look like and would it be approved?

816
01:23:45,740 --> 01:23:47,210
So, and so

817
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:50,140
This is this

818
01:23:50,140 --> 01:23:58,440
Clearly is why we need to better understand this part. Yeah, are we are we unduly backing ourselves into having to approve

819
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,680
taller buildings than we would otherwise approve now.

820
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:08,700
Yeah, I think it's clear from your comments and this discussion, your concerns and the concerns

821
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:12,640
about unintended consequences by having this language. I've put it down the list.

822
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,820
Right. And also, because of member Lee Eng's request against a summer, I'll have this

823
01:24:17,820 --> 01:24:26,120
model to see what we'd actually end up with. So I didn't remember, I have nothing on 10. I don't think

824
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,160
I don't think I have any issues with number 10.

825
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:32,060
I think 10 counts of member Lee.

826
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:33,920
Was it number 10 or number 11?

827
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,320
That I think it's number 11.

828
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:39,200
That.

829
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:45,520
Again, and I'm not sure that I'm communicating this.

830
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,220
And so I'm going to try it again back.

831
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:47,880
Yeah.

832
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:49,580
Number number by smair.

833
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:50,740
I think it's number 11.

834
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,120
This idea that we're requiring a

835
01:24:54,820 --> 01:24:59,920
A break, we're requiring at least a recess at least three feet.

836
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,840
But we don't specify how wide. So I mean, just to take it to the absurd, if they did a three foot deep cut and it was a foot wide, that would technically meet the standard. Now, I can't imagine a contractor who would actually design something that silly, but it is silly, not to require some sort of minimum with whether it's a change of plane or a recess. And I understand that the comments back from our consultants,

837
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,360
that sometimes it's a change of plane.

838
01:25:32,580 --> 01:25:35,740
Well, that's fine, but if it's a change of plane

839
01:25:35,740 --> 01:25:37,660
or if it's a recess, either way,

840
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:41,460
we need to specify some sort of minimum width

841
01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:45,440
or else, you know, something silly could happen.

842
01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:55,280
And maybe the recess has to be a minimum of three feet deep

843
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,540
and a certain percentage or something of the...

844
01:25:58,540 --> 01:26:01,480
That is what I previously suggested when we were talking

845
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:06,020
Orally was either a percentage or a minimum width,

846
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:07,980
but there has to be something here.

847
01:26:08,180 --> 01:26:10,680
And this one, I'm sorry, this one we have to do tonight.

848
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,460
I don't want to let this thing go.

849
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:13,960
I want to ask my buddy, our vice mayor,

850
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,900
what I pictured when you said something

851
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:18,220
funky could happen because you're right.

852
01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:20,220
But I do want to go to our consultants

853
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:23,240
or staff to address this question.

854
01:26:24,540 --> 01:26:27,740
Is there a reason why we don't have also a minimum

855
01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:34,120
way? Dru, do you want to take this one as well? I think this falls within the realm of the design.

856
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:46,120
I know. Yeah, I'm actually going to pass that to Monica potentially as well to make sure that

857
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:53,720
I'm not misremembering additional direction we received in the past because I think when we did

858
01:26:53,720 --> 01:27:04,960
originally consider this we had considered a minimum with as well and I'm I'm trying to remember and go through my notes to see if you receive direction that change that at some point.

859
01:27:05,380 --> 01:27:17,880
Right, the intent is so the standards talk about like a built based modules that are well depending on the zone 25 feet or 50 feet.

860
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:24,260
And the standards are written such that at those increments that there has to be a change in plane.

861
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:29,620
So the idea isn't that you need something there, a marker, with a certain width or depth.

862
01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:34,880
That's where the building steps in or out.

863
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,380
And it has to step in or out in a way that

864
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:44,710
Monica.

865
01:27:45,130 --> 01:27:46,810
I think she is that module.

866
01:27:47,470 --> 01:27:51,170
Yeah, and thank you for reminding me of that there.

867
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:58,650
We had written the standards as they are now, where we only include a minimum of depth

868
01:27:58,650 --> 01:28:04,250
for that offset to provide greater flexibility in how the facade is ultimately designed.

869
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:15,130
So if you have that three foot recess, again, to Monica's point, the primary bay in this

870
01:28:15,130 --> 01:28:24,010
zone is 50 feet. So that offset the other facade bay that is being offset by three feet

871
01:28:24,010 --> 01:28:28,610
would need to comply with that primary facade bay standard. I don't know what that would be.

872
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:31,750
So how wide would it have to be to comply?

873
01:28:34,450 --> 01:28:41,930
I think what we're saying is so long as the immediately adjacent bay is offset by three feet,

874
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:49,910
and it's complying with the bay rhythm of a 50-foot increment, we don't establish a minimum

875
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:53,390
width for that beyond that 50-foot increment.

876
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:58,850
But it's not part of the 50-foot increment. It's independent of the 50-foot increment.

877
01:29:00,550 --> 01:29:03,710
So I'm not sure how the 50-foot increment is relevant.

878
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:07,910
I mean, after you've gone 50 feet, you have to do the recess, I understand that.

879
01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:16,390
But what was the explanation for not requiring a certain minimum width?

880
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:22,590
Because the secondary bay that recessed area doesn't have to be another 50 feet, for example,

881
01:29:22,610 --> 01:29:24,770
because we have properties that aren't that big.

882
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:27,630
You know, we might have a 75-foot width.

883
01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:34,230
And so I'm I'm I'm at a loss here. I'm not understanding.

884
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:42,950
I would recommend if there's a desire for a specification of that width

885
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:44,930
and that that be added.

886
01:29:45,470 --> 01:29:49,830
I believe that was not included again in order to provide greater flexibility

887
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:52,090
on the resolution of the facade.

888
01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:58,190
Okay, you're speaking architect and I don't speak architect. I'm so sorry.

889
01:29:58,190 --> 01:29:59,970
maybe Councilmember Meadows as a...

890
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,620
If you get back to the council member and the strike defect, where you do 50, 10, 50, 10, for instance, you want to have like that variation, so you don't get that and a longer facade.

891
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:28,820
I think that's why the recess doesn't have a specific width, so that it looks a little bit more natural, older, thoughtful than, you know, because then they're just going to do whatever whatever the numbers say.

892
01:30:28,820 --> 01:30:33,700
So it gets that striped effect, I think, is what we were trying to avoid.

893
01:30:33,940 --> 01:30:41,420
I couldn't go with the relation to the depth, so that you're, to avoid what you're saying.

894
01:30:41,900 --> 01:30:51,680
So it's not random, but at least, you know, if it's ex depth, then the width is, you know, what percent or something that it's actually related to the depth.

895
01:30:51,680 --> 01:31:08,600
I'm going to go to Councilmember Meadows, but I understand what the Vice Mayor is saying about having some with because if there's nothing around what the minimum wish should be then it's up in the air and we could end up with a building looking very funky as she said earlier.

896
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:14,040
I do understand what she's saying and this may just go on the list, but Councilmember Meadows.

897
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:21,000
Yeah, let me just, I haven't heard this, the way I think to clearly articulate what the

898
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:26,600
vice mayor is saying, if you look at each of those orange areas, if each of those orange areas

899
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:35,340
was by chance, only one foot wide, that would look really silly, but that's what this allows

900
01:31:35,340 --> 01:31:44,160
right now. So can those orange areas have a minimum with a side to them, a sign to them,

901
01:31:44,440 --> 01:31:50,860
to address the concern, there's just this three foot deep chasm that serves no architectural

902
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:56,640
function. At least that's how I'm hearing the question, and that is the concern. And so we don't

903
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:05,240
want a one foot wide orange chasm along the buildings, every 50 feet. We want to define a reasonable

904
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:06,040
with.

905
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:15,550
Well, I'll send Councilmember Meadows as always and a response to that from the team.

906
01:32:15,730 --> 01:32:21,310
Does this and this may be something that, you know, we want closure on tonight or, you know,

907
01:32:22,050 --> 01:32:26,810
and I don't know if the consultants have a recommendation of something we could add tonight.

908
01:32:27,490 --> 01:32:32,070
Maybe something we could, I'm fine with adding something tonight and then adding this to the

909
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:37,630
list of study further. I'm just uncomfortable. I'm really uncomfortable leaving this the way it is.

910
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:48,910
And I mean, the assumption is nobody would design a building that way, right, but it's also, don't put it past them.

911
01:32:49,190 --> 01:32:52,030
I'm sorry, Meredith. I mean, no, no problem. We said go ahead.

912
01:32:52,330 --> 01:33:00,650
It's also just not cost effective at some point to do something like something kind of ridiculous like that, although you're right people do ridiculous things, but

913
01:33:00,650 --> 01:33:06,270
the way building materials and everything is structured, it just wouldn't make sense to have a one foot carve out and what do you two expensive.

914
01:33:06,930 --> 01:33:14,110
But we can't think about what the minimum width would be of that rest recess so that we don't get something unintended.

915
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:15,050
Okay.

916
01:33:15,450 --> 01:33:19,510
And we'll come back to that Lisa at the end if you can figure something out for tonight.

917
01:33:20,890 --> 01:33:21,090
Okay.

918
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:22,370
Number 12.

919
01:33:26,440 --> 01:33:27,180
12 and 13.

920
01:33:27,340 --> 01:33:28,720
I think we're both fixed.

921
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:35,360
14.

922
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:37,040
Keep going.

923
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:37,700
There we go.

924
01:33:38,340 --> 01:33:38,440
Whoa.

925
01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:40,360
No.

926
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:42,580
We've got to go back to that blank wall one.

927
01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:45,380
I'm sorry. Did I go past something? My apologies.

928
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:47,360
Right there.

929
01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:48,620
Number 13.

930
01:33:48,940 --> 01:33:49,120
Sorry.

931
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:49,880
Yes.

932
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:51,720
Thank you.

933
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,220
So I brought up the blank one.

934
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,040
And I don't think it's adequately addressed.

935
01:33:57,960 --> 01:33:59,720
It addresses it on the ground level.

936
01:34:00,340 --> 01:34:05,480
And it should be addressed as well for the upper walls.

937
01:34:06,700 --> 01:34:10,980
Currently, we don't allow anyone to have a blank wall.

938
01:34:10,980 --> 01:34:16,720
And we have, we enforce requirements on upper walls as well.

939
01:34:17,140 --> 01:34:22,580
So I'm not satisfied in moving forward tonight until we address and clean this up.

940
01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:30,080
And I'll just say that I agree with that.

941
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,320
And I know that council member Meadows when she and I were on planning commission together.

942
01:34:34,620 --> 01:34:38,120
Every project that we saw if there was a blank wall.

943
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,500
We made them put something in the conditions about what they were going to do with the blank wall.

944
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:44,280
And it wasn't just on the first floor.

945
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:49,220
And it had the faux windows, like the one I think it was on first treat that had been.

946
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:53,580
Yeah, we had different solutions on the full links, but there was always something.

947
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,560
Consult and staff, do you want to respond to that?

948
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:13,140
I think that as Guito's noting on the screen here, that's something that we will need to apply to the entire building, not just the flag wall.

949
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:28,920
Yeah, it doesn't mean that you can run a trellis up there necessarily, and that you have to landscape it, but you got to do something, and there are any number of things that we've required in the past that could be used as examples or something.

950
01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:41,120
And I see staff responsibility this will be changed so again if they have addressed the issues raised that they're going to, you know, fix the problem or do the edit and that's great.

951
01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:43,600
So number 14.

952
01:35:48,210 --> 01:36:03,670
And ask a clarifying question about that last, and sort of if we were to take out the words at the ground level and apply that to the whole building with that suffice with that satisfied the council's concerns.

953
01:36:05,470 --> 01:36:09,130
Or is the council requesting something more specific?

954
01:36:11,210 --> 01:36:21,370
I'm not sure what you're suggesting because the way this reads is non-glazed wall areas must be enhanced with architectural details landscaping and or landscape trellises or lattices.

955
01:36:21,970 --> 01:36:28,030
I don't, I mean maybe we get away with that for tonight, but I don't think that's adequate in the longer term.

956
01:36:28,730 --> 01:36:37,330
I think we need to be more specific about the kinds of things we've required in the past that have worked so that we're giving people some suggestions.

957
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:38,310
Okay,

958
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:53,840
so it sounds at least from Vice Mayor in Anderson's proposing maybe for purposes of tonight.

959
01:36:54,400 --> 01:37:03,060
We delete the words at the ground level so that it would apply to all levels, but this would go on the list for a potential deeper dive.

960
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:09,020
Okay, number 14.

961
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:20,800
I think 14 has a distinction without a difference, but I understand the root sponsor and the consultant and I'm not going to argue it.

962
01:37:21,980 --> 01:37:24,860
15 16 and 17. I think are all okay.

963
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:42,100
I guess maybe my question, let me stop there just for a second. I have a question for Julie and this is as good an example as any if you just back it up just a little teeny tiny bit.

964
01:37:42,100 --> 01:38:05,720
This is for the city attorney, where we have these height, they've taken the height limit that's in the other parts of the code, put them on the diagram correctly and then explain and the explanations by the way the changes you made are much better for explaining what's going on, but here's my question to the city attorney.

965
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:14,660
What the clear intent is here is, if the height limit, transects a floor, and it doesn't matter if it

966
01:38:14,660 --> 01:38:21,480
transects it midway or one foot up or nine feet up or an inch from the top of the height,

967
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:35,700
plate height, then that floor needs to be recessed. That is clearly the intent, and that's what the

968
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:39,840
that's transsected by the height limit that has to be set back.

969
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:44,380
Do we need to be more specific?

970
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:51,950
Yeah, I think we should clarify that

971
01:38:51,950 --> 01:38:56,780
because from what, I mean, when you look at this

972
01:38:56,780 --> 01:38:59,200
and you read this and then you look at the diagrams,

973
01:38:59,820 --> 01:39:02,540
I mean, we should, I think err on the side

974
01:39:02,540 --> 01:39:06,920
of making it clear.

975
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:11,940
I mean, I don't know if the consultants

976
01:39:11,940 --> 01:39:13,340
can add some language,

977
01:39:16,260 --> 01:39:16,460
but...

978
01:39:16,460 --> 01:39:19,180
Madam Mayor, I might have to ask a question.

979
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:21,120
Yes, because I'm looking at...

980
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,200
The language is clear to me, actually, Vice Mayor.

981
01:39:23,500 --> 01:39:25,560
I hear what you're saying, but I'm looking at it.

982
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,000
And but go ahead on the surveys.

983
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:28,120
I was going to see.

984
01:39:28,540 --> 01:39:33,280
Are you asking for a clarification to the upper story?

985
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:34,540
Set back some?

986
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:35,240
I think so.

987
01:39:36,020 --> 01:39:36,800
Yes, yes.

988
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:43,100
To make it clear that it's not just the area above the...

989
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:50,080
the one that's second from the left, where let's say that's about a foot and a half

990
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:55,960
of plate height on the third floor that is above the 30 foot height.

991
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,960
The requirement is to set

992
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:18,120
That entire floor back, not just the 18 inches that are above the 30-foot height. That's what the diagram shows. It is not necessarily clear to me in the text that that's the requirement.

993
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:31,200
I can see what you're saying, the text and the pictures don't line up, don't necessarily, I believe there is ambiguity there and ambiguity is our enemy.

994
01:40:32,020 --> 01:40:38,660
But it clearly shows after the third story that you either have to have it in a slope roof or step back.

995
01:40:38,660 --> 01:40:51,720
I mean, it's clearly short of the word the entire not just that but the entire uppermost story above that 30 feet would require to be set back.

996
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,920
Well, that's the the third example, see is for when it's over three stories.

997
01:40:57,660 --> 01:41:05,920
But if anything else, if you take the two middle examples, which are the ones that are covered in A and B.

998
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:15,590
That's where I think there's ambiguity because one's only moving it back a little bit, not the whole way.

999
01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:21,690
One's in a sloped roof and that's okay and one is set back and that's okay.

1000
01:41:21,710 --> 01:41:23,110
You have those options.

1001
01:41:26,820 --> 01:41:33,760
But where it has to be set back, what I think is potentially open to challenge or interpretation

1002
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:39,180
is whether the entire floor has to be set back.

1003
01:41:40,340 --> 01:41:42,020
in the second one from the left.

1004
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:47,620
The diagram says it does, but I think someone could argue that,

1005
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,400
well, I'm going to set back, and it would be a stupid way

1006
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,520
to build a building, but I'm sorry, I

1007
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:55,740
said I'm planning Commission long enough to know that

1008
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:56,800
and Monica's smiling.

1009
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,740
You've seen stuff come in that you want to scratch your head

1010
01:41:59,740 --> 01:42:01,520
and say, well, I ain't God's name, would they do this?

1011
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:03,300
But somebody will.

1012
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,200
So I think that can be fixed with just some word changes.

1013
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:18,260
And so, you know, Lisa or Monica, is this something we can come back to you at the end and maybe you can make some words suggestions, just to clarify what exactly the applies to and what needs to be said back.

1014
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:24,280
Yeah, and that would have to happen wherever these diagrams occur, not just there's not just one one instance of it.

1015
01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:30,280
Right, Madam Mayor, can you can you clarify what was here request for the verbage just so I can.

1016
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:43,340
I'm going to defer to the consultants, but basically to revise this section, so it's very clear what portions of the building need to be set back and where that set back occurs.

1017
01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:46,280
So there are four different diagrams here.

1018
01:42:46,660 --> 01:42:58,140
And so we need to make sure that the diagrams and the language are consistent in saying what needs to be set back, like describing entirely what needs to set back and where that set back would start.

1019
01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:05,680
Got it. Thank you. So that if it's a whole floor that needs to be set back even though most of the floor is below 30 feet

1020
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:12,260
That it's clear that it's the whole floor that has to be set back. Yep. Yeah, I mean, I think that was just a cloud language

1021
01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:20,900
Just to clarify as well making clear where it needs to start. Yeah, we're it's triggered. Yep. I agree

1022
01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:24,080
Okay, it's continuing

1023
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:37,700
I think we're okay on 18, just to if you could add the words, the building needs to step back, but also put the words where it needs to begin.

1024
01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:45,080
Because if we don't put it, I notice that it comes back and it's missing. Thank you.

1025
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,200
We're hoping to thank this fixed tonight.

1026
01:43:48,820 --> 01:43:49,620
18.

1027
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:53,360
I think we're okay.

1028
01:43:56,580 --> 01:43:56,920
And.

1029
01:44:02,020 --> 01:44:03,120
Hang on.

1030
01:44:03,620 --> 01:44:03,920
Whoa.

1031
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:05,720
Sorry.

1032
01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:06,440
I have horses.

1033
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:07,780
I say whoa.

1034
01:44:12,380 --> 01:44:16,980
I understand that in looking at the actual.

1035
01:44:19,180 --> 01:44:26,480
buildings in the zones that you always found something consistent with respect to stories.

1036
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:32,980
I would like to put this on the list of things for the planning commission to look at

1037
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:40,240
for possible misinterpretation because of the prior problems we've had at other times

1038
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:48,690
on stories versus height and the reasons why we stuck with height limits in our

1039
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:57,300
zoning code as opposed to describing things on stories with particular attention to how it might

1040
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:59,860
impact the application of.

1041
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,920
The density bonus law.

1042
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:10,160
Okay, so 19 would go on the list to refer it back to the planning commission. Yep. Okay.

1043
01:45:16,420 --> 01:45:22,630
And then number 20, council member Lee, and these were your additional edits to the edits you submitted with the vice mayor.

1044
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:31,990
And put reference density bonus there, if you would, please, Guido.

1045
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:39,370
I guess Madam Vice Mayor, what is the specific request so that when we come back?

1046
01:45:40,110 --> 01:45:53,030
So I, you know, drew and there have been some of the commercial zones in these standards are discussed in terms of the height limits.

1047
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:56,970
Some of them are discussed in terms of stories.

1048
01:45:58,390 --> 01:46:03,470
It's not clear to me that referring to stories is a good idea.

1049
01:46:04,430 --> 01:46:09,810
Given that you don't know where the stories break based on the highest height limits

1050
01:46:09,810 --> 01:46:15,810
and that we've consistently stuck with height limits as our requirements elsewhere in the code.

1051
01:46:16,290 --> 01:46:20,990
We always have, and Julie's been through the wars with us on this,

1052
01:46:20,990 --> 01:46:26,930
as to why we went, we went, we went, we went and did an entire exercise. We got word of the word

1053
01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:34,090
story everywhere in total 14. Well, yes, and that was Loyola Corners as well. Thank you. So we've

1054
01:46:34,090 --> 01:46:39,510
had some nightmares because we referred sometimes to things by stories instead of just sticking

1055
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:45,050
to numerical height limits. I'm concerned that we are not being consistent here and how we're treating

1056
01:46:45,050 --> 01:46:50,890
all of the commercial zones in that regard and that can come back and be a problem for us when

1057
01:46:50,890 --> 01:46:54,490
that comes to applying potentially density bonus.

1058
01:46:55,490 --> 01:46:57,730
It just needs to be looked at more closely.

1059
01:46:58,710 --> 01:47:02,990
And so I think Drew and Monica kind of did identify that

1060
01:47:02,990 --> 01:47:06,030
there was some initial direction given to treat

1061
01:47:06,030 --> 01:47:08,470
some of these zones differently.

1062
01:47:09,530 --> 01:47:12,010
So just perhaps by people who didn't know

1063
01:47:12,010 --> 01:47:15,530
what the past history was and what some of the issues were.

1064
01:47:16,450 --> 01:47:18,710
And Greedow and so thanks for that.

1065
01:47:18,710 --> 01:47:44,710
Because we're putting this on the list that will go to the planning commission, we're really, you know, to the extent we can focus on what we need to approve tonight. Okay, going. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to make sure we covered all the things that needs to go back to the planning commission and what we're doing tonight. If we could clarify which ones because I want to make sure we didn't miss anything. So we're going to do that.

1066
01:47:44,710 --> 01:47:46,170
I can do that, Council Member Lee,

1067
01:47:46,190 --> 01:47:47,890
and after we go through your comments,

1068
01:47:48,170 --> 01:47:49,950
my comments, Marusus comments,

1069
01:47:50,570 --> 01:47:52,070
we're gonna go through and just make sure

1070
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:53,430
we all have the same note.

1071
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:55,450
So we wanna go through your comments now

1072
01:47:55,450 --> 01:47:57,810
and figure out, is it something we're gonna address tonight?

1073
01:47:58,330 --> 01:47:59,310
Or is it something we're gonna report

1074
01:47:59,310 --> 01:48:00,390
to the planning commission?

1075
01:48:01,170 --> 01:48:02,910
So that's what we're doing with these comments.

1076
01:48:03,070 --> 01:48:04,250
So let's, okay, we're signing.

1077
01:48:05,570 --> 01:48:09,030
Okay, and then did we do the, okay, okay.

1078
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:10,690
Yeah, and then just stick a note in there

1079
01:48:10,690 --> 01:48:12,170
about DBC, Guido,

1080
01:48:12,170 --> 01:48:21,290
because it's down town that us gives me about density bonus, just put a note about reference density bonus, because that's where potentially a issue.

1081
01:48:34,910 --> 01:48:37,450
Did I address something on the CT?

1082
01:48:37,970 --> 01:48:39,630
Did we address the CT?

1083
01:48:41,050 --> 01:48:42,490
I'm just getting confused.

1084
01:48:43,050 --> 01:48:43,270
Okay.

1085
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:44,970
Making sure.

1086
01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:47,170
And the pathway issue.

1087
01:48:47,530 --> 01:48:50,170
I don't think do we skip over that somehow?

1088
01:48:50,170 --> 01:48:51,750
Yeah, I think we skip down that.

1089
01:48:51,750 --> 01:49:00,750
We miss you know that or it's it maybe it's in may versus I think it's in may versus stuff and that's why we haven't looked at it yet okay just making sure we we address that too going.

1090
01:49:02,370 --> 01:49:03,450
Number 20

1091
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:09,110
here we go and stop right there we don't thank you.

1092
01:49:14,740 --> 01:49:28,160
Anything here comes number the anger where you satisfied with staff's response no we addressed it at the top and then we're sending it back where we need clear definition of what slope it's for us and even the.

1093
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:38,360
Um, it was all agreed upon. Okay. So is that ABCD looking at the through G? Are you satisfied?

1094
01:49:39,940 --> 01:49:46,820
They're staff response. If you're satisfied with staff response, no, I mean, we addressed it above. Okay. So

1095
01:49:46,820 --> 01:49:54,720
I mean, and then even the attorney said, we will need clear slope definition. Okay.

1096
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:59,080
All right, so that's number 20.

1097
01:50:00,750 --> 01:50:09,850
So then, I will go to my comments then, because I think we're up to 21, and I'll go down to 22 a, greet,

1098
01:50:13,490 --> 01:50:33,930
and I would like to add language. This is not a material change, but just language making clear that there are no buildings set back standards for El Camino, and it may be the lawyer in me, but when I read language in B1, A and B, that says, except El Camino, it makes me think of okay, what's the standard for El Camino?

1099
01:50:33,950 --> 01:50:45,130
if it's accepted here. And so for those two, I would add the language that the consultants have here that explicitly states that there are no building set back standards for El Camino Rhea.

1100
01:50:45,530 --> 01:50:52,690
So it would just tie up that whole sentence in a bow that people aren't like, wait a minute, are there standards for El Camino?

1101
01:50:52,690 --> 01:51:13,490
No, and I and Mayor, I think that would be interpreted because El Camino ran out with other cities have their specific plans that have different they have that corridor look or something and they're doing less setbacks so we should be consistent with the rest of El Camino.

1102
01:51:13,490 --> 01:51:22,490
Well, and we also have the specific plan for sure would triangle.

1103
01:51:25,010 --> 01:51:25,530
Well,

1104
01:51:27,550 --> 01:51:29,390
just going to be a whole separate question.

1105
01:51:29,650 --> 01:51:31,470
I'll ask later.

1106
01:51:32,350 --> 01:51:33,610
Well, that will go on a list.

1107
01:51:33,770 --> 01:51:34,510
Vice Mayor.

1108
01:51:35,190 --> 01:51:38,930
And then we already discussed and I know some of this is also covered in Marus.

1109
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:43,070
So let me jump down to the next thing I wanted to cover.

1110
01:51:44,250 --> 01:51:51,930
which is 22 I on E1, if you're following,

1111
01:51:56,260 --> 01:51:58,760
there we go. So I do think again, this is just

1112
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:05,520
language cleanup because it's confusing if we're saying all sighting must be wood, composite wood

1113
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:12,640
and cement fiberboard, but then only exclude vinyl and aluminum. So I think it really needs to

1114
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:28,200
that it must be those materials and everything else is excluded included aluminum and vinyl because I think the response was the planning commission really wanted to call out those two materials.

1115
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:37,100
But if we're calling them out we need to make it clear that it's not just those two materials. Everything else is excluded including those two things.

1116
01:52:37,100 --> 01:52:57,740
So that's just a language cleanup that I think is going to be very helpful to make the section a little bit more clear. Does that make sense, Greeto, you omitted. Yeah, okay, so everything else is excluded, including including, including, but not limited to only

1117
01:52:59,790 --> 01:53:07,590
because the planning commission wanted us to specify those two. So the only material is allowed or XYZ.

1118
01:53:07,590 --> 01:53:14,750
Okay, anything, okay. No, I can't I had something? Yes, go ahead, Guns member Lianne,

1119
01:53:15,070 --> 01:53:19,550
because we said all sightings should be wood composite wood or cement fiber board.

1120
01:53:20,650 --> 01:53:28,770
But we also use a lot of stone on some instances in granite, so we are eliminated. We have

1121
01:53:28,770 --> 01:53:34,310
eliminated some of the other sighting materials. It should be added back in.

1122
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:37,270
Those are there in C&D.

1123
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:43,660
Oh, sorry, sorry, stone, but then you're not doing granite.

1124
01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:47,480
So it'll be clear that granite is stone.

1125
01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:48,660
Stone, yes.

1126
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,640
Okay, just making sure.

1127
01:53:52,660 --> 01:53:54,760
I think you know why it's confusing.

1128
01:53:56,500 --> 01:54:02,800
All citing materials should be C&D should just be part of that eye.

1129
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:15,660
Don't and break that's why they're not okay well okay okay and then I was I did not

1130
01:54:15,660 --> 01:54:23,140
understand staff response to my 22J comment so if someone could explain you know

1131
01:54:23,140 --> 01:54:26,740
the standard states were any required for rear or side yards so I could stand

1132
01:54:26,740 --> 01:54:34,680
theater greater, and then it's saying this is because in the CD district, the only set

1133
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:39,100
back that is 10 theater graders, the rear yard set back. Thus, it's seen appropriate given

1134
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:43,200
the direction that this line, which should only apply to the rear set back. And it seems

1135
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:48,780
to serve to us, so if someone could explain the response to my comment, it would be very helpful.

1136
01:54:59,500 --> 01:54:59,980
So I can-

1137
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:14,580
Okay, so this standard is about, well, if there is a required setback, then it has to be usable, it has to be usable accessible on site open space.

1138
01:55:14,580 --> 01:55:21,840
So I recall the question being, well, why isn't this included elsewhere? And response was,

1139
01:55:22,660 --> 01:55:31,960
because there isn't a required setback of a depth that would support that requirement of open space.

1140
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:35,280
And in a CD, that exists in the rear.

1141
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:44,260
And we could add that requirement to that rear setback.

1142
01:55:44,260 --> 01:55:53,820
I don't know that that and sort of achieves what the objective design standards with a goal is,

1143
01:55:53,840 --> 01:56:03,400
which is the invisibility from the right of way. We can certainly add that in so that that

1144
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:07,020
standard, if making that required, set back usable.

1145
01:56:09,740 --> 01:56:10,960
Because the thing that's not something

1146
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:15,180
And what we're saying, it's the same rear yard set back.

1147
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:16,320
So I'm trying to make the distinction.

1148
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:20,440
If you had said, for example, in the CD district,

1149
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,740
it didn't have the same things, the rear or side yard set

1150
01:56:24,740 --> 01:56:26,060
back, so it wouldn't apply there.

1151
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:27,960
But if I'm reading your comment correctly,

1152
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:32,700
it says, in the CD district, they do have a 10-footer

1153
01:56:32,700 --> 01:56:35,840
and greater rear yard set back, correct?

1154
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:43,270
Is that what your comment meant?

1155
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:51,320
I'm going to go to my original comment here,

1156
01:56:53,780 --> 01:56:56,280
so there is not exist, there does not exist

1157
01:56:56,280 --> 01:57:03,780
or requirement that for a setback of a sufficient job that would support this usable accessible

1158
01:57:03,780 --> 01:57:10,730
of the space that we have in mind, and it's the only area, the only setback where there's

1159
01:57:10,730 --> 01:57:12,150
that's requirement is the rear.

1160
01:57:12,350 --> 01:57:15,830
So we could add that requirement for that rear set back.

1161
01:57:16,670 --> 01:57:20,750
And, but that's why we omitted, we omitted.

1162
01:57:22,610 --> 01:57:27,230
Maybe I should, I'll re-read my original response.

1163
01:57:27,230 --> 01:57:30,290
I'm trying to understand if in the CD district,

1164
01:57:30,290 --> 01:57:32,990
and I know it may not have the front or the side yard,

1165
01:57:33,070 --> 01:57:35,490
but you're saying in the CD district

1166
01:57:35,490 --> 01:57:38,410
it has a 10-footer greater rear yard set back.

1167
01:57:38,410 --> 01:57:40,170
So that exists in the CD district.

1168
01:57:40,750 --> 01:57:47,750
And why is it that we don't have this open space there similar to what you have above?

1169
01:57:48,010 --> 01:57:53,330
So I'm just, there's a reason why, you know, the configuration or there's some other reason

1170
01:57:53,330 --> 01:57:58,750
why we don't have it here. And that's what I would need to understand. But I didn't see my specific

1171
01:57:58,750 --> 01:58:05,510
question answered about why don't we, why was the open space requirement deleted for this

1172
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:05,690
this.

1173
01:58:06,650 --> 01:58:12,510
If it was anything that it wasn't usable and accessible, if it's only in the rear setback,

1174
01:58:14,430 --> 01:58:18,350
I mean, I think it boils down to that, so it could be potentially usable by the building,

1175
01:58:18,630 --> 01:58:23,210
but it's not really accessible if it's in the rear because you have to go across private property.

1176
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:28,510
And I think that's a lot to add.

1177
01:58:28,850 --> 01:58:36,730
If that was included in the previous draft, and it shouldn't have been.

1178
01:58:36,730 --> 01:58:42,790
It was not intended for that, for that district, for the very reason that we're talking about right now.

1179
01:58:46,850 --> 01:58:46,850
Okay.

1180
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:54,060
I mean, this explanation helps because your comment, I was still confused about why you don't

1181
01:58:54,060 --> 01:58:58,620
we have it, but based on what Lisa said, it sounds like it's accessibility or usability,

1182
01:58:59,060 --> 01:59:01,920
why we wouldn't have this requirement in the district.

1183
01:59:04,150 --> 01:59:05,890
As opposed to it, it couldn't exist there.

1184
01:59:06,850 --> 01:59:11,370
But it can, because you've got a front setback that's like two feet or zero, so it can't be there.

1185
01:59:14,620 --> 01:59:19,600
Okay, right, they couldn't be in the front or the side only the rear and it doesn't make sense in the rear and back to that.

1186
01:59:19,980 --> 01:59:22,080
Right, we're only focused on the rear right now Monica.

1187
01:59:25,670 --> 01:59:25,790
Okay.

1188
01:59:26,650 --> 01:59:27,610
Thank you.

1189
01:59:28,190 --> 01:59:29,130
And that's it.

1190
01:59:29,170 --> 01:59:35,030
I think for me on my comments, I think you accepted my other edits and everything else made sense.

1191
01:59:35,490 --> 01:59:38,130
And I think Marus should be here.

1192
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:43,350
Yes, hi everyone.

1193
01:59:44,230 --> 01:59:46,110
Hi Marus, thanks for joining us.

1194
01:59:46,210 --> 01:59:46,570
Sure.

1195
01:59:46,570 --> 01:59:52,330
You want to go back to your comments and what we've been doing is going through the responses

1196
01:59:52,330 --> 01:59:57,130
we receive from staff and the consultants and see if they address the concerns we raise

1197
01:59:57,130 --> 01:59:58,750
or if we have any follow-up questions.

1198
01:59:59,490 --> 01:59:59,590
Okay.

1199
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,140
Start with your first comment. And of course, if you're satisfied with the response, you just said great and we move on.

1200
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,160
So, um, one.

1201
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:14,000
Oh, do you want me to go through it?

1202
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:18,140
Yeah, if you're okay with the response with one, we can continue.

1203
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:25,100
Um, yeah, for the first one I had, it was, it was just about that the angled window and the privacy.

1204
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:32,620
I just wasn't sure if angling it was the best solution for privacy between two buildings.

1205
02:00:33,980 --> 02:00:39,040
So I was hoping that maybe we could not have that because I think it creates a very specific type

1206
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:46,580
of style for the architectural facade, and not every building will look nice with a kind of

1207
02:00:46,580 --> 02:00:52,640
an angled window. So I just thought there's probably maybe a better way to go about the privacy issue.

1208
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:56,700
Um, that was kind of my main concern with with that first one.

1209
02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:01,440
We're, we're, we're, we're, we're trying to refer to the planning commission.

1210
02:01:01,980 --> 02:01:02,440
Okay.

1211
02:01:02,900 --> 02:01:04,920
Stopped what we have right now.

1212
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,760
So one of the things we've been doing because we want to pass something tonight.

1213
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:09,140
Or was I going to know when you joined?

1214
02:01:09,700 --> 02:01:09,980
Oh, yeah.

1215
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:11,340
Join late. Sorry.

1216
02:01:11,740 --> 02:01:12,820
Is there a meeting?

1217
02:01:13,500 --> 02:01:16,840
Mayor, they do have revised proposed text here.

1218
02:01:17,260 --> 02:01:22,300
I don't know if Mayor Ruth saw or had an opportunity to look at the

1219
02:01:22,300 --> 02:01:30,140
consultants responses because if the text that they're proposing is sufficient that we can just

1220
02:01:30,140 --> 02:01:36,460
include it. Okay, yeah, let me quickly go through that then because I wasn't sure about the revised part.

1221
02:01:38,660 --> 02:01:44,200
But yeah, I heard you guys talking about the other things and so specifically with the upper story

1222
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:52,440
that backs and I'm trying to look right now. So I think those were the main things that I know you

1223
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:57,820
said you'll refer it back to the planning commission. Forgive me if this has already been

1224
02:01:57,820 --> 02:02:04,480
discussed, but the last thing was just the downtown gateway section. That part that was in a couple

1225
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:11,340
of the sections on the document. I just thought it was going to probably lead to a lot of confusion

1226
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:22,020
with having, you know, special landscape features and special uses. I just thought that that could get into a sticky situation with interpretation.

1227
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:29,960
And it's more so about the area and not so much about the building. And so I just thought we should really focus on on the building.

1228
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:40,120
But again, that's comment number four and to the vice mayor's point for some of these the staff and consultant actually made recommended changes.

1229
02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:47,680
Okay. I'm so they definitely tried to address your concern about not being too specific about that downtown gateway.

1230
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:54,440
So unless you have follow-up questions or comments or anybody else on council has questions,

1231
02:02:55,540 --> 02:02:59,160
you know, if this is something we can incorporate an adopt tonight, then we would.

1232
02:02:59,220 --> 02:03:04,020
Sure. Yeah. No, I think you guys are going through all of the things that I mentioned.

1233
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:06,120
So yeah. Thank you.

1234
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:13,980
Okay, any comments? I'm going to go backwards then. It's a comment number four, any comments from council on the downtown gateway.

1235
02:03:17,180 --> 02:03:34,240
I thought they did a good job. Okay, so we will, on unless Mr Biggs or the city attorney is telling us this needs to go back to the peace, the planning commission, is this something that we can just incorporate an adopt tonight. These amendments to the downtown gateway section.

1236
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,140
Yes, we can go back through Mr.

1237
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:43,540
Pearson County's list and identify the items that you can incorporate into the ordinance tonight.

1238
02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:47,720
And then the remainder will go back to the, you can refer back to the planning commission for review.

1239
02:03:48,100 --> 02:03:48,640
Okay.

1240
02:03:48,980 --> 02:03:50,180
Thank you.

1241
02:03:50,260 --> 02:03:53,240
Comment number three maruses comment number three.

1242
02:03:54,220 --> 02:03:57,420
Any comments questions from council members.

1243
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,380
These are the upper story setbacks.

1244
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:02,280
I think these are.

1245
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:06,080
We already addressed those, didn't we?

1246
02:04:06,380 --> 02:04:06,700
Yeah.

1247
02:04:08,140 --> 02:04:14,220
Um, then going up to comment number two, the site circulation, access comment,

1248
02:04:17,100 --> 02:04:17,280
and

1249
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,540
they're recommended edits from the consultant and staff.

1250
02:04:22,710 --> 02:04:23,110
Okay.

1251
02:04:23,210 --> 02:04:23,630
I see it.

1252
02:04:23,730 --> 02:04:25,290
Let me see who's hand is raised.

1253
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:35,710
Vice Mayor, in ander go ahead.

1254
02:04:36,690 --> 02:04:38,710
Do I understand, um, Mr.

1255
02:04:38,770 --> 02:04:42,730
Ah, he's comment because it sounds like is it

1256
02:04:42,730 --> 02:04:50,230
continuous from one lot to the next, and also, I think there was a comment not necessarily

1257
02:04:50,230 --> 02:04:59,970
here, but elsewhere or in a previous version about maybe limiting this to lots that were deep and not

1258
02:05:04,980 --> 02:05:12,000
And so I'm a little concerned if we don't deal with with those two issues.

1259
02:05:14,060 --> 02:05:29,980
So I understand the goal, which is if it adjoins an R1 of the rear or an alleyway of the rear, you know, so there's either a street or an alleyway, provide a rear access, but I'm not sure that if we've got a really had what's the opposite of a street,

1260
02:05:29,980 --> 02:05:35,460
deep, Mr. Aki, that narrow is wrong, skitties wrong, but, you know,

1261
02:05:35,580 --> 02:05:40,160
hello, we're shallow, shallow. Thank you, Mayor. A shallow,

1262
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:46,080
um, lot, it may not really be practical, and do we want to do a carve out for that?

1263
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:51,660
And do we want to not use the word continuous for, you know, what does that, what does that really mean?

1264
02:05:51,660 --> 02:05:54,560
Is it mean from one lot to the next that doesn't make any sense?

1265
02:05:55,970 --> 02:06:05,890
So, they changed some of the work, I don't know if you saw the recommended edits, to get away from that continuous direction.

1266
02:06:06,830 --> 02:06:12,030
Yeah, they fixed that, but we haven't dealt with the shallow lot issue.

1267
02:06:17,940 --> 02:06:21,180
Any comments from Mr. Biggs or the consultants on that?

1268
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:31,090
for me, Monica, or Drew, and Lisa, do you have some?

1269
02:06:31,090 --> 02:06:40,830
I like the clarification, so we, and this and Commissioner A, he's other comments or the

1270
02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:48,950
recommended that is shown in the draft in your packet tonight, and so I'm looking at this

1271
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:54,770
this edit, rare pedestrian, bicycle access should be provided for many of putting right

1272
02:06:54,770 --> 02:07:01,790
way or alley for projects on the deep-lots and the lots of development of us in R1 in this in this

1273
02:07:01,790 --> 02:07:02,610
CT.

1274
02:07:04,730 --> 02:07:14,130
So, and if a concern that shallower lots are not adequately dressed, or is that I'm not sure

1275
02:07:14,130 --> 02:07:20,830
what the concern is. What's a deep-lot? What constitutes a deep-lot? How deep is deep?

1276
02:07:20,830 --> 02:07:24,990
No one in 50 feet or greater, lots with the jobs of 250 feet or greater, and lots were

1277
02:07:24,990 --> 02:07:26,850
development of us and our one district to the rear.

1278
02:07:27,050 --> 02:07:32,070
So the intent here is that if you have these very deep lots along the alchemy

1279
02:07:32,070 --> 02:07:40,630
rail corridor that accessing these, what you shouldn't, if you're coming from, let's say

1280
02:07:40,630 --> 02:07:46,650
the Southwest, you don't have to go all the way to alchemy and then go down from the front

1281
02:07:46,650 --> 02:07:52,510
to access the property, but rather, there's some sort of access, whether it's from an

1282
02:07:52,510 --> 02:07:58,570
about anxiety or an alley or something that enables you to access the deep lots without

1283
02:07:58,570 --> 02:08:16,630
having to go all the way. That's the intent. And if there's another goal that we want to try to

1284
02:08:16,630 --> 02:08:22,730
concerned and we eliminated language that made it seem like we're requiring some sort of

1285
02:08:22,730 --> 02:08:33,750
easement, but rather simplified it to require some kind of access for those deep lots

1286
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:40,690
and the ones about our one. Yeah, I mean, sorry, just to point out, I like the idea and the

1287
02:08:40,690 --> 02:08:46,550
concepts because I think that it's smart. I just, if you look at it practically, I'm not sure

1288
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:55,990
How many parcels it's going to apply to, and I wonder if staff is going to have to start to get a little bit subjective in terms of where to put the access way.

1289
02:08:56,490 --> 02:09:05,250
So I think it's fine, but I think it's something to just make a note of that that it is something we might have to refer to, you know, for certain projects.

1290
02:09:06,050 --> 02:09:17,790
But, you know, for a project like 51-50, you know, that one I think really, it would have been nice to have something like that where residents could kind of access it instead of going all the way.

1291
02:09:18,510 --> 02:09:24,330
So I think it's a great idea. I just think maybe we have to be vigilant about it.

1292
02:09:26,090 --> 02:09:29,950
So I had my hand raised. Can I make a comment or go?

1293
02:09:30,350 --> 02:09:30,870
Yes, go ahead.

1294
02:09:31,130 --> 02:09:33,710
I mean, no, thank you commissioner.

1295
02:09:33,930 --> 02:09:37,050
I want to add on to what you said.

1296
02:09:37,330 --> 02:09:38,670
So I think this is a good point.

1297
02:09:39,570 --> 02:09:47,450
And it does show that this originated with a desire for continuous pedestrian and bicycle access

1298
02:09:47,450 --> 02:09:50,210
developed over time along the rear of the district.

1299
02:09:50,210 --> 02:09:59,770
So that does speak to where we got the the easement concern. I know I know we're not talking about an easement mechanism, but

1300
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:19,900
But by saying that we're actually being very contradictory of the approach, then that we took to the open space, which you just told the mayor, that because you couldn't access the open space in these private developments, then you didn't need to specify in the language or whatever.

1301
02:10:19,900 --> 02:10:27,020
there was talk about the rear setback being private and internal and yet here you're trying to

1302
02:10:27,020 --> 02:10:34,780
provide public access. But we just said that those rear setbacks are private to the residents

1303
02:10:34,780 --> 02:10:41,740
of the development. So we're applying two very different standards to this and I do think

1304
02:10:41,740 --> 02:10:47,780
it's very confusing as written. I do think in 5150 which is an exceptionally wide

1305
02:10:47,780 --> 02:10:53,580
Again, how do we define why, but an exceptionally wide project and it makes some sense.

1306
02:10:55,020 --> 02:11:04,760
But I too am concerned that this, it just doesn't seem well thought out in terms of how it might be applied.

1307
02:11:11,070 --> 02:11:16,730
So what's the suggestion? So we're looking at, you know, comment too.

1308
02:11:16,730 --> 02:11:25,690
Any suggestion there comes a number of meadows to move this forward for purposes of tonight and then maybe do a follow-up referral?

1309
02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:36,780
You know, I'm just not sure that this is really the right thing to say.

1310
02:11:36,940 --> 02:11:47,600
I mean, again, again, all these projects come forward with very defined plans for how the bicycles or the pedestrians get from the front of the property

1311
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:53,380
and their bikes get down to the storage areas and, you know, so, um,

1312
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:59,300
building a requirement that it'd be in the rear of properties, some of which are going to be

1313
02:11:59,300 --> 02:12:06,440
non-accessible. Again, I guess we've defined it by it may be a budding and alleyway and our

1314
02:12:06,440 --> 02:12:11,780
one or saying, I don't know. To me, I can't really make sense of this. It doesn't hang together

1315
02:12:12,860 --> 02:12:18,900
in my mind, but I think Commissioner Ahi sort of had the best description.

1316
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:28,400
I mean, just to be clear, right, this is where the back of a lot is on a right away or an alley.

1317
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:34,720
So there is access, potentially, you know, public access there, right?

1318
02:12:34,940 --> 02:12:37,860
I mean, this is not, this is an actual, right?

1319
02:12:42,500 --> 02:13:03,860
It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just an R1 district to the rear, just because it's an R1 district. It's not necessarily a budding an alley and do we really want to and if it were or some sort of parking lane or something are we really going to open it up so the two developments can start going back and forth, you know,

1320
02:13:05,500 --> 02:13:13,920
between each. I don't think that's really what we intend. That would be a very odd way to do things.

1321
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:23,460
I don't see that we've done that in other developing existing developments. They tend to be very within themselves. Sorry, that's not the right word, but I'm fine.

1322
02:13:25,340 --> 02:13:38,460
I'm going to go to you. I see the time. This is the last comment we're discussing and then we'll take a break and then hopefully come back and have staff go through the direction on each of these and then we do a vote.

1323
02:13:38,460 --> 02:13:41,460
But we're in under any suggestion on how we close this.

1324
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:48,420
I agree with Councilmember Meadows, I think there's security issues with trying to do this.

1325
02:13:48,540 --> 02:13:54,200
I would recommend we remove it for tonight and put it on the list for other consideration.

1326
02:13:58,170 --> 02:14:00,650
And I'll do my follow up question only because that's the concern.

1327
02:14:00,790 --> 02:14:06,830
If we remove it completely, what's the risk to the city by not having something addressing this?

1328
02:14:08,910 --> 02:14:09,910
Anything Mr. Biggs?

1329
02:14:09,910 --> 02:14:27,650
I'm not aware that there's any risks to the city with removing this completely, it was just, I think, more of a recognition that there are other modes of transportation other than vehicles and trying to accommodate as much access to these sites as possible.

1330
02:14:27,650 --> 02:14:33,050
But as someone noted, the projects that have been approved already up and down the

1331
02:14:33,050 --> 02:14:35,770
whole community realm don't have this access.

1332
02:14:36,410 --> 02:14:40,510
So even if we were to get some publics to have it, it wouldn't be a continuous strip

1333
02:14:40,510 --> 02:14:45,210
of access, it would be more on a case-by-case basis.

1334
02:14:45,470 --> 02:14:50,150
And in some instances, it would be, especially if you're between two projects that have been approved,

1335
02:14:50,370 --> 02:14:51,150
paths to nowhere.

1336
02:14:53,690 --> 02:14:58,250
Okay, so we will put it on the list of referring it to the planning commission for further

1337
02:14:58,250 --> 02:14:59,970
consideration and

1338
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:15,760
So with that, we have gone through all the comments. It's 914. Mr. Biggs and Guido, Mr. Persecone. What I would like to do is take our normal seven-minute break, maybe do 10 minutes if you need more time.

1339
02:15:16,340 --> 02:15:23,280
And when we come back, have you walk us through each comment and the direction that I took notes on them, sure others did as well.

1340
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:28,020
And then we can vote on, you know, adopt in the objectives standards with whatever we incorporate,

1341
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:33,520
and then make the motion to direct the other items to the planning commission.

1342
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:37,180
Sounds good. Sounds good. Okay. So, let's.

1343
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:42,960
But, but Mayor, just as a council member of Meadows did point out, I made a couple small

1344
02:15:43,740 --> 02:15:52,280
errors in the actual ordinance about the facade, so if we could also include that in the

1345
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:52,940
comments.

1346
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:56,420
Well, Greedor, add that to the list when we come back as we go through.

1347
02:15:56,620 --> 02:15:57,480
Don't get perfect.

1348
02:15:57,480 --> 02:15:58,420
Thanks for the reminder.

1349
02:15:59,380 --> 02:16:03,860
So with that, let's take do you need seven minutes, ten minutes, how much time do you need

1350
02:16:03,860 --> 02:16:04,540
to pull it together?

1351
02:16:04,580 --> 02:16:06,980
Do you need ten or seven minutes, isn't that?

1352
02:16:08,140 --> 02:16:13,180
I mean, I have all the stuff edited and yellow that we have to, so I'm ready to go now.

1353
02:16:13,460 --> 02:16:13,760
Okay.

1354
02:16:14,460 --> 02:16:17,080
So we'll do our normal seven-minute break.

1355
02:16:17,080 --> 02:16:18,280
I'm looking at the agenda.

1356
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:19,240
I'm going to do what I said.

1357
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:20,380
I was going to do at the beginning.

1358
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:28,140
I don't think we'll have time to do and I don't know if the legislative subcommittee has anything that must be discussed tonight.

1359
02:16:28,940 --> 02:16:35,960
Vice Mayor, I can't see you. I'm looking for councilmember Weinberg. You can override me at 11, but that would be the item.

1360
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:39,000
I would say we won't be able to get to tonight in the event.

1361
02:16:39,440 --> 02:16:43,900
And the event anybody is waiting to hear that item. I don't think we'll get to that item tonight.

1362
02:16:43,900 --> 02:16:49,540
Okay, so seven minutes will resume at 9.22pm. Thank you.

1363
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:38,980
Okay, I see council member Meadows, all council members are back. We will resume our council meeting at 924 PM. And I will turn it over to staff to walk us through the comments. And again, we're looking to the city attorney and staff to guide us on what we can actually adopt and incorporate an adopt tonight in the objective standards and what we need to refer to the planning commission for further consideration.

1364
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:54,960
I wanted some clarification like so are we going to go through and then we're going to adopt the

1365
02:25:54,960 --> 02:26:01,200
or introduce the ordinance and then there are going to be sections that aren't going to be

1366
02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:06,940
that aren't going to be introduced but they're going to be set back to planning commission

1367
02:26:06,940 --> 02:26:17,660
or they're all introduced tonight and they're all going to be adopted and then with a

1368
02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:24,980
refer back to the Planning Commission, but the ordinance is going forward as amended.

1369
02:26:25,660 --> 02:26:26,680
But there are,

1370
02:26:29,610 --> 02:26:36,030
so there have been changes tonight and if you have significant changes

1371
02:26:36,030 --> 02:26:59,370
then you need to reintroduce and that was one of the one of my clarifications. So what we are planning to do tonight is adopt ordinance right now as modified and these are going to be changes that aren't going back to the planning commission.

1372
02:26:59,370 --> 02:27:03,010
So that's our intent city attorney.

1373
02:27:08,740 --> 02:27:12,620
So unless you have concerns with that approach.

1374
02:27:13,740 --> 02:27:16,600
Mr. Persecone, I see your staff starting with council member

1375
02:27:16,600 --> 02:27:18,700
Meadows edits, thank you.

1376
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:27,120
We're going to adopt the ordinance as modified tonight.

1377
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:42,120
And then, but I do have a concern that some of these changes may need to go back to the planning commission.

1378
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:48,300
However, the council has decided which ones need to go back.

1379
02:27:50,110 --> 02:27:52,370
So I'm trying to figure out what we're doing here.

1380
02:27:52,370 --> 02:28:04,970
So the ordinance as amended and it's going to be introduced and then it's adopted after it's adopted then it's going back to planning commission for further review.

1381
02:28:05,530 --> 02:28:06,730
So let me clarify.

1382
02:28:07,330 --> 02:28:08,470
Can you hear me?

1383
02:28:09,510 --> 02:28:21,870
So there are two different things. There are things that we have decided on our own regardless of its legally required that we want it to go back to the planning commission for further consideration.

1384
02:28:22,650 --> 02:28:29,570
There are things that we've also identified that we want to incorporate and make it part

1385
02:28:29,570 --> 02:28:36,850
of the adopted ordinance tonight. Now, if on that list of items, we want to incorporate

1386
02:28:36,850 --> 02:28:43,850
tonight for the adoption, you have concerns that those should actually first go to the planning

1387
02:28:43,850 --> 02:28:49,710
commission, then please let us know because then that would go on the planning commission list.

1388
02:28:55,410 --> 02:29:04,490
I'd like to talk to Guido or John Biggs about these changes if they feel as planning staff.

1389
02:29:04,670 --> 02:29:11,690
Do you feel that these changes are that substantial or I think that what we've done tonight

1390
02:29:11,690 --> 02:29:14,530
can be introduced and then adopted,

1391
02:29:17,090 --> 02:29:19,850
but there were some significant changes.

1392
02:29:20,350 --> 02:29:23,330
So let's all through each one and have that discussion.

1393
02:29:23,330 --> 02:29:26,550
So, Guido, let's start with Cousin member Meadows edits.

1394
02:29:28,810 --> 02:29:33,090
And this we didn't discuss, and I know Cousin member Meadows have raised it at the beginning.

1395
02:29:34,530 --> 02:29:38,850
Again, you know, any objection or concerns with these edits.

1396
02:29:39,710 --> 02:29:42,730
Cousin member Meadows do you want to add anything to what you said at the beginning?

1397
02:29:43,370 --> 02:29:46,350
It was just an error, and it's been corrected now.

1398
02:29:46,350 --> 02:29:53,150
So, Guido, Mr. Viggs City Attorney, is this something we can incorporate in a dot tonight?

1399
02:29:54,310 --> 02:29:54,890
I would see you.

1400
02:29:55,310 --> 02:29:55,650
Okay.

1401
02:29:56,290 --> 02:29:57,350
So then the next comment.

1402
02:30:01,780 --> 02:30:09,080
I'm sorry, Madam Mayor. Yes, Council Member Lainberg. Those corrections were made to the staff report not to the proposed resolution.

1403
02:30:11,430 --> 02:30:16,110
What was just up on the screen was not the resolution that was a pattern one. It was a memo.

1404
02:30:17,210 --> 02:30:29,630
If I couldn't Madam Mayor, I would suggest that when it comes for emotion to introduce the ordinance that we would introduce and incorporate by reference all of the changes identified by the city council's evening into the ordinance.

1405
02:30:29,630 --> 02:30:38,710
I agree. The ordinance. Yeah. That will work. Yeah. Um, okay. So that's it for this amendment. We're looking at.

1406
02:30:39,690 --> 02:30:46,030
Then we'll keep going. We do. So Mr. Mayor, Mr. County, if you'd go through your list and

1407
02:30:47,650 --> 02:30:53,090
talk a little bit about each of the discussion points of the city council members this evening and

1408
02:30:53,090 --> 02:30:58,230
whether that is something that has been suggested to incorporate into the ordinance this evening or

1409
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:59,990
It should be referred to the planning commission.

1410
02:31:00,450 --> 02:31:01,150
So take it away.

1411
02:31:02,550 --> 02:31:05,590
So only the ones that I highlighted in yellow, I thought,

1412
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:08,030
it seemed like, I mean, I deferred to the mayor

1413
02:31:08,030 --> 02:31:11,810
and vice mayor, but it sounded like these recommended

1414
02:31:11,810 --> 02:31:12,450
edits.

1415
02:31:13,070 --> 02:31:15,170
Mayor, we're generally in consensus.

1416
02:31:15,350 --> 02:31:19,510
Only the ones in yellow, I thought you were asking us

1417
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:23,250
to do further kind of study and deliberation.

1418
02:31:23,450 --> 02:31:25,010
Was that a fair summary, mayor?

1419
02:31:25,370 --> 02:31:26,850
Well, there are two things we're looking at.

1420
02:31:26,850 --> 02:31:29,310
It's not only the things that we've already decided

1421
02:31:29,310 --> 02:31:31,730
we're going to refer back to the planning commission,

1422
02:31:32,290 --> 02:31:35,350
we want to make sure we go through each one and confirm

1423
02:31:35,950 --> 02:31:39,670
that it's okay to incorporate and adopted

1424
02:31:39,670 --> 02:31:41,150
as part of tonight's ordinance.

1425
02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:44,330
So number one, the privacy and line of site,

1426
02:31:44,450 --> 02:31:45,810
and this is similar to something else.

1427
02:31:46,110 --> 02:31:47,510
We can't remember the number.

1428
02:31:48,990 --> 02:31:51,350
But if we were to incorporate these changes,

1429
02:31:51,590 --> 02:31:53,070
Mr. Baderna, Mr. Persecone.

1430
02:31:53,070 --> 02:31:53,170
Okay.

1431
02:31:56,030 --> 02:31:57,230
Go ahead.

1432
02:31:57,630 --> 02:31:59,350
Why don't we do this?

1433
02:32:00,030 --> 02:32:08,310
I will go down my list of things that I captured this evening on things we either need to take a look at or incorporate into the ordinance tonight.

1434
02:32:08,530 --> 02:32:18,430
So starting with the comments provided by Councilmember Meadows, the double introduction of definitions for line in facade that can be done this evening.

1435
02:32:18,430 --> 02:32:24,430
The City Council asks that the Planning Commission take a look at our non-conforming standards.

1436
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:40,950
They're at found at chapter 14.66.070 and they refer to non-conforming structures that are altered by demolition or natural events.

1437
02:32:40,950 --> 02:32:47,410
and look to see if those standards need to be modified and bring back modifications to the

1438
02:32:47,410 --> 02:32:53,970
standards. You also recommended that the planning commission look at and identify a

1439
02:32:53,970 --> 02:33:00,670
definition for a sloping roof or explore elimination man's or groups. So Mr.

1440
02:33:00,730 --> 02:33:05,810
Banks, I am sorry to interrupt. Could you if possible refer to the comment? Because that's

1441
02:33:05,810 --> 02:33:12,910
I took my notes and I want to make sure that's possible for the first one, two, three, four.

1442
02:33:13,290 --> 02:33:14,670
I don't have a specific number.

1443
02:33:14,850 --> 02:33:16,410
I was just kind of following along.

1444
02:33:16,750 --> 02:33:18,830
I thought Mr. Periscone had him.

1445
02:33:19,450 --> 02:33:23,190
And I thought we were that you probably have them in order.

1446
02:33:23,430 --> 02:33:34,610
If we skip down and start with number five on what Guido's got will probably be in the same order as what John is doing.

1447
02:33:34,610 --> 02:33:42,600
correct. It's a number five on the legal and non-conforming. Right. And this is go ahead.

1448
02:33:43,850 --> 02:33:48,050
And that is being referred to complaining commission. So we're not. Have the same thing. Okay.

1449
02:33:48,670 --> 02:33:52,230
So in no modifications to the ordinance this evening on that,

1450
02:33:52,830 --> 02:33:56,930
also being referred to the planning commission is the sloping roof definition,

1451
02:33:56,930 --> 02:34:01,930
our possible elimination of men's groups that's coming at number six.

1452
02:34:02,890 --> 02:34:10,110
I'm being adopted tonight without that definition and we would be coming back with a better definition.

1453
02:34:10,510 --> 02:34:10,650
Correct?

1454
02:34:11,870 --> 02:34:13,650
I have a question.

1455
02:34:15,050 --> 02:34:16,270
Guido and John.

1456
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:24,930
I think kind of the minimum roof we ever look at is 4 on 12, which is I think about 20%.

1457
02:34:24,930 --> 02:34:37,710
percent if I did that right. I think we could put a minimum 20% slope in here and then refer

1458
02:34:37,710 --> 02:34:44,370
the rest to staff to look to the staff and planning commission to look at does that make some sense

1459
02:34:44,370 --> 02:34:46,930
anybody? Not to me.

1460
02:34:49,730 --> 02:34:59,730
I'd like to, I think it's important for us to have some sort of percentage or

1461
02:35:00,970 --> 02:35:06,010
To help clarify, so that way we have a starting point.

1462
02:35:06,190 --> 02:35:12,710
So the notes I have, but I'm going to go to Lisa on this, is that maybe we can frame it as a pitch,

1463
02:35:13,170 --> 02:35:15,690
or a drop over a certain range?

1464
02:35:16,210 --> 02:35:19,650
No, then what for in 12 is kind of a minimum that we do.

1465
02:35:20,110 --> 02:35:29,010
I'm not familiar with the numbers you're quoting by Spirit Eander, but to the extent we can do that tonight,

1466
02:35:29,010 --> 02:35:37,390
and we have such numbers that the experts think work then if we can incorporate them tonight,

1467
02:35:37,850 --> 02:35:43,850
I support that we do it. So Lisa, do you have any direction for us here?

1468
02:35:44,610 --> 02:35:50,730
So I think we could put that definition in the 4 and 12. So it's falling 4 inches over

1469
02:35:50,730 --> 02:35:57,290
work 12 inch width, so that's a pretty standard definition. Perfect.

1470
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:59,330
That's a little bit more important to do.

1471
02:35:59,850 --> 02:36:00,390
Thanks Lisa.

1472
02:36:00,710 --> 02:36:02,730
The next question, Mr. Biggs.

1473
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:04,630
It's just one clarification.

1474
02:36:05,070 --> 02:36:07,050
I want to make sure the council understands this.

1475
02:36:07,050 --> 02:36:09,730
Even though you have a minimum roof pitch of 412,

1476
02:36:10,510 --> 02:36:16,410
it doesn't want to eliminate a man's or a roof because it has a steeper pitch.

1477
02:36:17,230 --> 02:36:17,310
Yeah.

1478
02:36:17,890 --> 02:36:20,830
We'll get steeper pitchman's or groups.

1479
02:36:20,850 --> 02:36:22,750
Not trying to eliminate that, sir.

1480
02:36:22,870 --> 02:36:23,710
Okay, okay.

1481
02:36:23,890 --> 02:36:25,610
You just don't want to only be massive.

1482
02:36:26,870 --> 02:36:31,690
So with that Mr. Biggs, is this a change this four,

1483
02:36:31,690 --> 02:36:36,130
12 insertion, something we can do tonight on a dot

1484
02:36:36,130 --> 02:36:36,870
the ordinance?

1485
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:40,770
To me, no, it's simply because you're defining the

1486
02:36:40,770 --> 02:36:43,830
what a sloping roof is, a minimum of four or four.

1487
02:36:44,050 --> 02:36:45,730
I would say it's not a new,

1488
02:36:45,730 --> 02:36:47,710
It's not a new addition to the ordinance.

1489
02:36:48,030 --> 02:36:49,050
It's a clarification.

1490
02:36:50,930 --> 02:36:54,370
Oh, can I ask a question and express a concern?

1491
02:36:56,130 --> 02:37:01,750
Was there, and I'm sorry, maybe Ms. Wise is, but we're John.

1492
02:37:02,190 --> 02:37:06,330
I mean, I always get nervous when we start pulling numbers here

1493
02:37:06,330 --> 02:37:07,730
on the virtual diets.

1494
02:37:07,890 --> 02:37:12,910
So is there actually an architect who will say that this

1495
02:37:12,910 --> 02:37:14,370
is a reasonable thing to be doing?

1496
02:37:14,370 --> 02:37:18,370
I just get really, none of, you know,

1497
02:37:18,590 --> 02:37:20,730
Council should be putting these numbers.

1498
02:37:21,730 --> 02:37:26,990
So, John, are you, that's why he asked Lisa and she said,

1499
02:37:27,530 --> 02:37:29,750
yes, but it's Lisa, that doesn't matter.

1500
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:32,210
Lisa, go ahead and have because I went to you as well,

1501
02:37:32,450 --> 02:37:33,730
just to make sure.

1502
02:37:35,800 --> 02:37:38,480
Well, I mean, I'm actually not an architect on the planner.

1503
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:41,400
Monica is an architect on our staff and so is Drew,

1504
02:37:41,580 --> 02:37:43,140
and they can chime in also,

1505
02:37:43,140 --> 02:37:48,980
But I think these are, you don't really need to be an architect to understand sort of rope,

1506
02:37:49,080 --> 02:37:57,480
pitches and ropes, who slopes, and I think this is a pretty reasonable sort of minimum to go

1507
02:37:57,480 --> 02:38:02,520
in the forward, forward, and 12. But I don't know if Monica, do you want to chime in also?

1508
02:38:02,860 --> 02:38:05,780
But I think council members and Andrew's recommendation was a good start.

1509
02:38:06,960 --> 02:38:11,960
Lisa, I would second that. I can confirm that council members and Andrew's recommendation

1510
02:38:11,960 --> 02:38:15,120
and it's consistent with what we see

1511
02:38:17,390 --> 02:38:20,210
list of, you know, further review. So this is what we're

1512
02:38:20,210 --> 02:38:27,810
doing just to fill this gap right now as we release these objective standards. So nothing else

1513
02:38:27,810 --> 02:38:33,950
on comment six Mr. Biggs, do you want to continue going down the list? Yes, I believe the next

1514
02:38:33,950 --> 02:38:39,350
comment we had was item number seven and these were the two diagrams that showed the relationship

1515
02:38:39,350 --> 02:38:43,550
between the first floor, use, and the upper floor height.

1516
02:38:45,050 --> 02:38:49,990
Notice I have indicated that the council would like to apply the diagram on the right,

1517
02:38:50,610 --> 02:38:59,090
the minimum of the 12 inches in height to demonstrate the objective standard here,

1518
02:38:59,230 --> 02:39:06,850
eliminating the 24-inch and height diagram, but then to refer for further discussion,

1519
02:39:06,850 --> 02:39:10,290
the 24-inch diagram to the planning commission for review.

1520
02:39:12,060 --> 02:39:16,280
So just so it would apply to both residential and non-residential.

1521
02:39:16,300 --> 02:39:18,760
It would be the diagram on the left.

1522
02:39:19,160 --> 02:39:22,240
So again, when I do my follow up Mr. Viggs, as I've been doing

1523
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:26,340
and to the city attorney, is this a change we can make tonight

1524
02:39:26,340 --> 02:39:29,400
and incorporate an indoor adopted ordinance?

1525
02:39:31,740 --> 02:39:37,540
I believe you can because you're simply taking away a diagram.

1526
02:39:37,540 --> 02:39:44,780
you're not inserting a completely new diagram. Sorry, I was, I was, I was muted. I was going to say

1527
02:39:44,780 --> 02:39:51,000
we're, we're not adding anything new. We're just removing one of the diagrams, which will be further studied.

1528
02:39:51,820 --> 02:39:51,820
So,

1529
02:39:54,210 --> 02:39:59,970
I don't have anything on eight nine. We add some clarification and verb it on this.

1530
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,440
Item as well. I'm sorry to interject.

1531
02:40:03,240 --> 02:40:08,480
You have a note that says you's talking because I remember a council member

1532
02:40:08,480 --> 02:40:15,920
Meadows helped terrified and then it I had some concerns with leaving A there when we're

1533
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:23,360
leaving eliminating one of the pictures. So I think the vice mayor, if you can remember

1534
02:40:23,360 --> 02:40:24,120
as well.

1535
02:40:24,120 --> 02:40:32,120
It's the verb-age in A and B needs to be consolidated to match the diagram decision.

1536
02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:43,000
So the verb-age above that in 3 A and B, and then I think it was a maximum height.

1537
02:40:43,140 --> 02:40:45,160
I think we had a maximum height of that.

1538
02:40:45,160 --> 02:40:47,180
So then we need to remove A.

1539
02:40:48,620 --> 02:40:48,700
Yeah.

1540
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:50,800
We need to remove A.

1541
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:55,800
And then it's not just where ground floor is residential.

1542
02:40:56,780 --> 02:40:59,080
It just terminates after floor to ceiling.

1543
02:40:59,640 --> 02:41:02,800
Yeah, it's just ground floor, not residential or residential.

1544
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:03,520
Yeah.

1545
02:41:06,540 --> 02:41:06,860
Okay.

1546
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:08,780
That's something we're doing this evening.

1547
02:41:09,220 --> 02:41:11,120
This part of the introduced ordinance.

1548
02:41:11,800 --> 02:41:15,960
So can we make those changes possible while I'm looking at it?

1549
02:41:15,960 --> 02:41:19,480
Because that helps me to know that we've captured it.

1550
02:41:19,480 --> 02:41:27,790
like the attorney said to eliminate A to take the word across out the verbage on ground floor and

1551
02:41:28,180 --> 02:41:35,310
just put ground floor period, you know, things like that. I need to see it as we do it.

1552
02:41:36,020 --> 02:41:40,920
It's sorry. You call up the ordinance and the document itself to make those adjustments and

1553
02:41:40,920 --> 02:41:44,860
remember tonight you're just introducing this ordinance. It will come back to one of the

1554
02:41:45,600 --> 02:41:55,900
So you can't put the red line and stuff like that because I don't want to meet it's a cross it out on here now and stuff like that so I can see it.

1555
02:41:55,900 --> 02:42:05,640
We're capturing the notes and where are tracking the direction of the city council and we are going to incorporate these things into that into the ordinance it comes back.

1556
02:42:05,640 --> 02:42:16,040
Okay, okay. I just want you know, I think you might want that to read to to change the

1557
02:42:16,040 --> 02:42:23,140
verbage to match the single diagram. I understand what the direction is. Okay. That's the

1558
02:42:23,140 --> 02:42:28,020
danger we don't show you our us your notes. What it's good because we can correct any errors,

1559
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:33,320
but on the other hand we're going to pick everything. That's what I thought we captured the verb

1560
02:42:33,320 --> 02:42:39,320
And for me, it's like we capture the verbiage and then when we come back, then it's like we missed some stuff.

1561
02:42:40,340 --> 02:42:41,280
No, I hate it.

1562
02:42:41,460 --> 02:42:42,140
That's right.

1563
02:42:42,420 --> 02:42:43,820
Okay, number nine.

1564
02:42:44,140 --> 02:42:44,700
Number nine.

1565
02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:57,900
This is an item that you're referring back to the planning commission because you wanted to make sure that it's not going to result in any, any unintended consequences or problems, especially with the density bonus regulations.

1566
02:42:58,920 --> 02:43:12,400
Yes, those are my notes as well. But it's being adopted as is tonight or introduced as is tonight. We're not changing anything, but it's going in the column of further review.

1567
02:43:14,470 --> 02:43:14,670
Okay.

1568
02:43:14,670 --> 02:43:43,680
Access to number 11, and this was the building facade diagram, and then the should there we are we are going to adopt the edits in number 10 I don't have any comments about number 10 like we didn't we didn't have any challenges to what the suggested edits from the consultant were right so we but we need to indicate that we are adopting.

1569
02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:52,120
the recommended changes from the consultant. Right. Right. That's understood. That's understood.

1570
02:43:53,240 --> 02:43:56,820
Okay. Yeah. I just wanted on the on the verbal and recordings.

1571
02:43:58,200 --> 02:44:06,120
I think they'll just to be clear and maybe Monica can these edits are already in the draft, right?

1572
02:44:06,760 --> 02:44:10,580
For primary and secondary. These are incorporated into the ordinance.

1573
02:44:12,320 --> 02:44:17,540
And it's that we're accepted or tonight's a super thing.

1574
02:44:17,640 --> 02:44:20,080
All right, comment number 11, Mr. Viggs.

1575
02:44:20,840 --> 02:44:23,540
This is the one you wanted to refer to the,

1576
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:26,420
or actually wanted to discuss a little bit more this evening.

1577
02:44:26,680 --> 02:44:30,560
We're talking about should there be a minimum with for those

1578
02:44:30,560 --> 02:44:34,580
resmenced areas or the sort of reddish colored areas here on the diagram.

1579
02:44:34,580 --> 02:44:41,560
And one suggestion I would toss out is to take a look at what would be the minimum with

1580
02:44:41,560 --> 02:44:44,740
the maybe Drew can help us here for a double door.

1581
02:44:45,340 --> 02:44:50,960
I think if you're looking at double doors with three foot wide doors of peace, plus an

1582
02:44:50,960 --> 02:44:55,960
area of structure on either side that's six feet, eight feet, maybe a ten foot distance would

1583
02:44:55,960 --> 02:44:58,820
appropriate in this instance.

1584
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,160
Because it goes to the function of that space rather than just being solely in aesthetic. It could be both aesthetic, but I think let's let's start with a functional use for that that would.

1585
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:18,000
So I would suggest 10 feet as being the minimum width for those areas that are recessed.

1586
02:45:21,460 --> 02:45:28,480
Well, and has a that has a rational basis to it. So it's not going to be an arbitrary number so.

1587
02:45:29,900 --> 02:45:33,480
And then also this gets put on the list for further study.

1588
02:45:33,860 --> 02:45:38,520
So we would adopt the 10 foot tonight and then it goes on the list also for further study.

1589
02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:43,400
It was simply defining the width of that minimum recess.

1590
02:45:43,620 --> 02:45:48,720
I think this would be okay to include as a modification to the ordinance you're looking at this evening.

1591
02:45:49,900 --> 02:45:57,460
I was going to say since we thought this is low probability of somebody doing something weird here.

1592
02:45:57,460 --> 02:46:14,440
I think it would also be okay if we left it as is without the defined depth, though, I'm fine with the 10 foot, but if we left it as is and send it to planning commission, I don't think that would be high risk as long as, you know, it comes back to us, but if everyone's okay with 10, I'm fine with 10.

1593
02:46:14,440 --> 02:46:30,840
I support putting something in council member medows, we know how this process sometimes can take a long time to come back to us and I would want it out there without some minimum and I know, you know, highly unlikely someone will design it this way, but just in case.

1594
02:46:30,840 --> 02:46:43,320
And I defer to Mr. Begs on the 10 feet. I don't, you know, I've nothing else to propose. So I support it. And if nobody else has any concerns, I'm fine. And it's something we can adopt to that.

1595
02:46:44,920 --> 02:46:45,220
Okay.

1596
02:46:46,220 --> 02:46:47,300
Mr. Vince?

1597
02:46:48,560 --> 02:46:50,440
No, that's 10 feet to what I'm suggesting.

1598
02:46:51,020 --> 02:46:52,700
Okay. So we'll keep going 13.

1599
02:46:53,460 --> 02:46:56,940
The next was 13 be it page 13.

1600
02:46:58,000 --> 02:46:59,980
The blank wall provisions.

1601
02:46:59,980 --> 02:47:01,020
What do you have playing?

1602
02:47:01,020 --> 02:47:04,940
This is something you wanted to refer to the planning commission, but tonight you thought

1603
02:47:04,940 --> 02:47:11,760
that you could delete or take out the language that said this applies at the ground

1604
02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:15,420
level and how it applied the entire building.

1605
02:47:16,040 --> 02:47:17,240
What might know it's reflect?

1606
02:47:17,980 --> 02:47:19,540
And is there all levels?

1607
02:47:19,940 --> 02:47:20,020
Yeah.

1608
02:47:20,020 --> 02:47:20,580
All levels.

1609
02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:23,820
And is this something we can adopt tonight in corporate and adopt?

1610
02:47:24,780 --> 02:47:26,100
Yeah, I would say it's a clarification.

1611
02:47:28,660 --> 02:47:28,900
All right.

1612
02:47:29,280 --> 02:47:30,460
Keep going, Mr. Big.

1613
02:47:30,460 --> 02:47:45,810
Next was number 16, A1, A1, A1, AB, let me see, oh, this was something you wanted to talk about this evening.

1614
02:47:46,390 --> 02:48:00,030
And you wanted to work on a starting point in where these effects, you wanted to define what the setback would apply to, whether it be a third story,

1615
02:48:00,030 --> 02:48:07,470
the upper story of the building and make it clear from what point the setbacks would start.

1616
02:48:07,770 --> 02:48:14,870
So I think we have it's demonstrating that the setback has to be from the side of the building for

1617
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:20,650
the upper floor. And I think there was a desire to see some clarification, especially if you look

1618
02:48:21,830 --> 02:48:29,190
A1A, where it says, front minimum 10 feet from ground floor facade, maybe that could be changed to

1619
02:48:31,150 --> 02:48:40,210
minimum or excuse me. Upper most floor level shall be set back 10 feet from ground floor facade.

1620
02:48:41,350 --> 02:48:49,050
No. No, because you may not have just a, it may not apply only to the top floor,

1621
02:48:50,390 --> 02:48:59,020
Because you could have two floors above 30 feet and you'd have to set back both of them.

1622
02:48:59,380 --> 02:49:06,560
So how about any floor above 30 feet shall have a 10 foot set back?

1623
02:49:06,580 --> 02:49:10,760
But then we've got the slope roof provision, John, here with this.

1624
02:49:11,460 --> 02:49:13,360
Is that the roof or a floor?

1625
02:49:20,520 --> 02:49:25,940
It's not that ledge yet where we're talking about is that the roof or a storm?

1626
02:49:27,300 --> 02:49:37,240
Okay, that's one thing that we think we can revise tonight in corporate as part of the adopted ordinance.

1627
02:49:38,040 --> 02:49:38,760
It is late.

1628
02:49:38,860 --> 02:49:39,960
It is almost 10.

1629
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:42,900
We still have another big item on our agenda.

1630
02:49:43,740 --> 02:49:47,320
Madam Mayor, can I, so this is a major topic of discussion.

1631
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:50,420
We've had a lot of input about stories for society.

1632
02:49:51,020 --> 02:49:55,120
I mean, I don't know if John agrees, but this might be something

1633
02:49:55,120 --> 02:49:59,960
the council wants to punt back to PC because there's a lot of language in the doctor.

1634
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:16,720
We're talking about stories versus heights, but I'm not sure if you agree, John, or, well, what I'm worried about is are we going to adopt it as is and then and then defer it back to planning commission or do we delete it from the code and then have a big hole in our code.

1635
02:50:17,140 --> 02:50:23,780
Yeah, and I'm not because I don't want to delete it from the code, but my concern is if we put it in as it is.

1636
02:50:23,780 --> 02:50:33,440
Is there ambiguity where people are going to say that they don't have to move the whole floor back?

1637
02:50:33,500 --> 02:50:36,160
They only have to move the section that's above the 30 feet.

1638
02:50:37,660 --> 02:50:38,280
That's my worry.

1639
02:50:39,420 --> 02:50:41,960
So, what language would you suggest by smear?

1640
02:50:42,020 --> 02:50:48,520
Because I think we need to clean that up and just if we could add the verbiage, that would be helpful.

1641
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:51,020
Making sure that it is.

1642
02:50:51,020 --> 02:50:52,120
Okay, let me try this.

1643
02:50:52,120 --> 02:51:02,140
Let me try this. We don't minimum 10 feet from ground floor facade for an entire floor or floors.

1644
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:07,800
Transacted by the 30 foot elevation site.

1645
02:51:15,220 --> 02:51:23,420
I don't know, maybe the maybe you have a better suggestion, Guido or John, do you understand the ambiguity we're trying to get rid of?

1646
02:51:23,420 --> 02:51:27,060
And I had to help, go ahead, pause the memorandum.

1647
02:51:27,140 --> 02:51:28,180
I don't want to get some order.

1648
02:51:28,300 --> 02:51:30,040
The audience has just been talking out of turn.

1649
02:51:30,460 --> 02:51:31,840
I have my hand raised.

1650
02:51:31,980 --> 02:51:33,900
I'm going to go ahead, pause the memorandums.

1651
02:51:34,220 --> 02:51:43,600
Yeah, I was going to say upper stories, step backs, then just say as illustrated in the diagrams

1652
02:51:43,600 --> 02:51:45,400
because that addresses.

1653
02:51:45,700 --> 02:51:50,780
And then, you know, just add that either upper story, step backs as illustrated in the diagrams

1654
02:51:50,780 --> 02:51:57,440
and then A from street C. So you're actually by just saying that you're using the wording that the

1655
02:51:57,800 --> 02:52:04,620
because what we're trying to say is the illustrations are correct, right? The illustrations are

1656
02:52:04,620 --> 02:52:11,020
correct. So just add the wording whether you have to add it in A, B, and C, or you can just

1657
02:52:11,020 --> 02:52:19,320
add it at one of our story stepbacks, just say as illustrated in each of the diagrams and then there you go.

1658
02:52:20,840 --> 02:52:39,120
Thank you council member meadows. I do want to go to Marousie has his had the race to see if he had a suggestion go ahead Marousie the only, you know, I guess I'll just defend the design aspect of this. I think that when you go to a specific height.

1659
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:48,860
You just run the risks sometimes that the building may end up looking a little bit strange because you're kind of putting it at a certain height level and pushing it back.

1660
02:52:49,420 --> 02:52:58,620
And also there's the whole idea of I think I sent this in my email there's many projects that actually fell under whatever the height was.

1661
02:52:58,620 --> 02:53:00,780
when before it stepped back.

1662
02:53:01,080 --> 02:53:04,700
And so a developer is going to obviously go all the way

1663
02:53:04,700 --> 02:53:07,440
to whenever he has to push that building back.

1664
02:53:07,960 --> 02:53:09,900
And so by doing it by stories,

1665
02:53:10,380 --> 02:53:13,340
you may be creating kind of an easier system

1666
02:53:13,340 --> 02:53:17,360
in terms of something that's very kind of universal

1667
02:53:17,360 --> 02:53:20,600
in terms of everyone understanding that once it's the floor

1668
02:53:20,600 --> 02:53:22,860
of the fourth level or once it's the floor

1669
02:53:22,860 --> 02:53:24,980
of the third level, that's the point

1670
02:53:24,980 --> 02:53:26,100
where it steps back.

1671
02:53:26,100 --> 02:53:33,840
And so it's fine if we want to do high limit, but it's just something to be aware of for some

1672
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:39,160
of these projects. And I think that's why we want to send this back to be looked at. But for now,

1673
02:53:40,760 --> 02:53:43,000
I love Council Member Meadows suggestion.

1674
02:53:45,520 --> 02:53:50,080
Okay, any other comments and I'm comfortable with them

1675
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:59,900
because we're a medicine as well, to point to the illustrations. And again, Mr. Biggs, is this

1676
02:53:59,900 --> 02:54:04,640
something that we can incorporate and end up tonight with the additional language,

1677
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:12,300
because we're a medical suggested. I think because this is referring to existing diagrams that

1678
02:54:12,300 --> 02:54:18,900
you're reviewing this evening, this would be okay as a clarification. Yeah, I do. We're using the same

1679
02:54:18,900 --> 02:54:22,840
diagrams if we tweak the diagrams I'd have a problem.

1680
02:54:25,720 --> 02:54:26,860
And what's this ordinance?

1681
02:54:26,860 --> 02:54:29,660
Once this ordinance gets, it's going to be introduced.

1682
02:54:29,900 --> 02:54:30,780
It's going to be adopted.

1683
02:54:30,900 --> 02:54:33,280
It's going to be an effect in 30 days.

1684
02:54:34,020 --> 02:54:39,140
And so we will be having projects coming through that these are going

1685
02:54:39,140 --> 02:54:41,580
to apply to.

1686
02:54:43,160 --> 02:54:47,180
Even though the planning commission is reviewing all of those.

1687
02:54:47,180 --> 02:54:54,300
I mean, that's just, that's what we're doing tonight is, and so I want everyone to understand.

1688
02:54:55,100 --> 02:54:59,300
If we introduce, we adopt, it comes in effect in 30 days.

1689
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:18,240
These are our quote-unquote objective standards that will be applying. And then we'll be able to then come back and modify them. So these are the ones we'll be living with for the next few months.

1690
02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:33,260
Okay, I'm on to 19 and I think this was definitely a planning commissioner for number 19 and I and I flagged that we want to highlight the density bonus consideration here. Is that what you have as well.

1691
02:55:33,760 --> 02:55:35,800
Yes, that's what my notes reflect as well.

1692
02:55:35,820 --> 02:55:38,480
Okay, so moving us along.

1693
02:55:39,820 --> 02:55:48,700
I am down to 22A and it's just explicitly stating that they're no building set back standards.

1694
02:55:49,400 --> 02:55:53,400
Step back standards for health and the real, adding that sentence to make it happen.

1695
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:57,240
That's my notes report that as well. That's a change we can move tonight.

1696
02:55:57,500 --> 02:55:57,840
Wonderful.

1697
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:06,140
And then the other thing is 22A, which is changing the language that makes clear that it's something

1698
02:56:06,140 --> 02:56:10,700
It hasn't stated everything else is excluded, including, but not limited to those two materials.

1699
02:56:11,380 --> 02:56:13,040
I have that note as well.

1700
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,120
And then we can adopt tonight.

1701
02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:16,780
Yeah, that's a clarification.

1702
02:56:17,440 --> 02:56:18,040
Replication.

1703
02:56:19,660 --> 02:56:26,760
Okay, and so we're really back to, I have comment four.

1704
02:56:26,880 --> 02:56:31,160
So I actually went back up to comment four, because we did it backwards.

1705
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:44,140
And so I have, yes, we will incorporate and that's already incorporated so we're fine there and is that something we can incorporate and adopt tonight the edits is number four.

1706
02:56:44,140 --> 02:56:45,480
We hit it.

1707
02:56:46,020 --> 02:56:46,860
Okay, notifications.

1708
02:56:49,340 --> 02:56:53,300
And then on the upper story step back.

1709
02:56:56,520 --> 02:57:02,960
I actually have, so with this change, is it something that we can incorporate and adopt tonight?

1710
02:57:02,960 --> 02:57:09,490
because I have a big question mark here, which item met up there, which item, which item,

1711
02:57:09,670 --> 02:57:11,470
can you go out to comment-free, Guido?

1712
02:57:18,780 --> 02:57:20,740
What is your yellow highlight, say?

1713
02:57:22,580 --> 02:57:28,340
Well, this is the same thing about the step back for stories.

1714
02:57:28,720 --> 02:57:29,800
That's that whole.

1715
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:31,140
That's why I have the question.

1716
02:57:31,360 --> 02:57:33,200
It's gonna match the diagram.

1717
02:57:34,200 --> 02:57:40,000
And my notes reflect the council said okay to the response by staff and the consultant.

1718
02:57:41,160 --> 02:57:45,420
Okay, and is that something comment three we can incorporate an adopt tonight?

1719
02:57:46,180 --> 02:57:50,080
I have a question mark and I think it's because we covered it in another section.

1720
02:57:50,600 --> 02:58:03,000
Yeah, because it's repetitive of other questions and I wouldn't say that I would concur that I concurred with this with the consultants response.

1721
02:58:03,000 --> 02:58:05,860
This is what needs to be part of what needs to be discussed.

1722
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:08,040
Yeah. Right. Right.

1723
02:58:08,320 --> 02:58:10,060
That's going back. The part that's going back.

1724
02:58:10,100 --> 02:58:12,020
Not the part that we're adopting tonight. Right.

1725
02:58:12,320 --> 02:58:14,460
That's that. That's that whole discussion. Yeah.

1726
02:58:15,940 --> 02:58:22,780
And then for number two, this is the section that we talked about completely removing it.

1727
02:58:22,820 --> 02:58:26,620
It's the continuous alleyway.

1728
02:58:26,660 --> 02:58:29,180
I'm trying to get the right word here.

1729
02:58:29,180 --> 02:58:33,180
But we said completely remove it and refer it to the planning commission.

1730
02:58:33,980 --> 02:58:34,500
Right.

1731
02:58:35,300 --> 02:58:35,660
Okay.

1732
02:58:37,160 --> 02:58:39,100
Is that it?

1733
02:58:39,240 --> 02:58:40,500
Vice Mayor, go ahead.

1734
02:58:41,180 --> 02:58:41,900
Thank you.

1735
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:49,440
Mayor, I have concerns about just a couple of other things not to change tonight, but to be out of the list

1736
02:58:49,440 --> 02:58:51,620
of things to refer to the planning commission.

1737
02:58:52,680 --> 02:58:55,400
Okay, go ahead, because it has to be incorporated in view a little.

1738
02:58:55,400 --> 02:59:01,580
We would have to be agreed to buy our group and then incorporated in the.

1739
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:06,760
I wish by snare you already included in the list that you submitted to staff.

1740
02:59:07,440 --> 02:59:09,760
No, these are not.

1741
02:59:10,320 --> 02:59:10,380
Okay.

1742
02:59:10,940 --> 02:59:13,700
These are based on public input.

1743
02:59:13,980 --> 02:59:15,400
And I think we haven't.

1744
02:59:16,700 --> 02:59:21,080
Given ourselves a chance to talk about any other things that arose from public input.

1745
02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:29,560
One is that architectural integrity as it is in this document is pretty much limited to materials,

1746
02:59:29,780 --> 02:59:36,100
pallet and change of materials and what I learned about architectural integrity, which is about

1747
02:59:36,100 --> 02:59:43,340
this much compared to what all the architects know, is that at a minimum fenestration is a part

1748
02:59:43,340 --> 02:59:49,720
of an architectural integrity and I know there's been a lot of discussions at times and I'm thinking

1749
02:59:49,720 --> 02:59:55,360
back to when Phoebe Bressick was on planning commission in the times when Phoebe made big points

1750
02:59:55,360 --> 02:59:59,180
about how a fenestration could improve the architectural integrity.

1751
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:19,900
And how certain administration being presented did not reflect architectural integrity. And I'm wondering if, and this is really punted toward Mr. Aki, whether the planning commission would perhaps take a look at that issue of architectural integrity and see whether it can be flushed out a little more to our benefit.

1752
03:00:22,140 --> 03:00:23,740
What is this specific?

1753
03:00:23,880 --> 03:00:32,480
Because we're creating a list to refer to the Planning Commission to look into further what I will do with this list that I need.

1754
03:00:32,740 --> 03:00:34,060
Vice Mayor is going through.

1755
03:00:34,240 --> 03:00:39,460
It's just looked at council to see if you have any objections to this going to the Planning Commission.

1756
03:00:40,300 --> 03:00:44,480
So if I don't see any hands raised, city attorney.

1757
03:00:45,020 --> 03:00:48,580
Well, that sounds very discretionary.

1758
03:00:48,580 --> 03:00:56,900
So I, it can go back to the planning commission and I don't know how they're going to make that and, uh, objective,

1759
03:00:59,020 --> 03:01:07,540
it's, it might say that all the windows need to be have the same kind of cladding, for example, or

1760
03:01:07,540 --> 03:01:14,480
Hmm. I don't know. I'm not an architect. That's one one thing I heard from come out of Phoebe's mouth once one time.

1761
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:26,760
Yeah, no, I'm just saying that yeah, they can look at it, but we can it's architectural integrity is almost like mass and bulk and so we need to put some parameters on it.

1762
03:01:26,760 --> 03:01:37,420
And that's that's why it's currently defined in this document by a materials palette and by where you can and can't change materials from Florida floor.

1763
03:01:38,520 --> 03:01:53,180
So whether there is something more that we can make as an objective standard that helps assure good architectural integrity is something that I think are we have for members of planning commission, it would be really good.

1764
03:01:53,900 --> 03:01:57,200
Okay, it's nice to hander anything else on your list.

1765
03:01:58,180 --> 03:02:08,420
Yes, I would like to have us look at whether we want to, in looking at those, those floors in the minimum, you know, the two foot difference in the one foot difference.

1766
03:02:09,180 --> 03:02:14,980
Also perhaps look at whether we want for the purposes of a project that would fall under objective standards.

1767
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:24,880
whether we would want to specify a maximum floor height that would be allowed under an objective standards review.

1768
03:02:27,230 --> 03:02:33,910
So we might say, if you want to come in there under objective standards and get, you know, basically a ministerial review of this thing,

1769
03:02:35,230 --> 03:02:41,290
then don't bring us a first floor height of more than x and an upper floor height of more than y.

1770
03:02:43,690 --> 03:02:53,910
That has major implications for the whole document, so I understand that, but the whole

1771
03:02:53,910 --> 03:02:56,210
height issue in our town has major implications.

1772
03:02:57,270 --> 03:03:01,950
And density bonus has major implications with this as well.

1773
03:03:03,630 --> 03:03:05,370
I had the same reaction.

1774
03:03:05,590 --> 03:03:11,490
I think you saw my facial expression that you did because I think that's a huge change.

1775
03:03:11,490 --> 03:03:19,030
But I don't want us to get into these suggestions right now. I want to put them on the list.

1776
03:03:19,430 --> 03:03:24,210
Okay, unless that counts the member has an objection to including because it's going to go to the planning commission.

1777
03:03:25,710 --> 03:03:31,470
And so unless that counts the member objects of this even going to the planning commission, I just want to get this list done.

1778
03:03:31,850 --> 03:03:32,130
Understood.

1779
03:03:32,930 --> 03:03:41,150
And the final last one's mayor would be, are we really comfortable that we don't have problems with

1780
03:03:41,950 --> 03:03:50,630
Sure would and Loyola specific plans has somebody really carefully looked at those against

1781
03:03:51,510 --> 03:03:54,670
these to see whether we've set ourselves up for a conflict.

1782
03:03:54,850 --> 03:03:59,250
And this is part of kind of the fact that we haven't really tested these.

1783
03:03:59,490 --> 03:04:05,510
We haven't tried to go back and look at how well can these work and how is it planning

1784
03:04:05,510 --> 03:04:08,510
commission going to work and the staff going to work with these straight out of the box.

1785
03:04:08,510 --> 03:04:14,750
as Julie said, once these are approved after 30 days, you've got to be running with them.

1786
03:04:16,270 --> 03:04:21,130
And so it's like, and I don't know if you guys have looked specifically at stuff in that's

1787
03:04:21,130 --> 03:04:24,110
in sure what in Loyola, let us see whether we've got any issues.

1788
03:04:25,170 --> 03:04:34,190
Well, I do know for Loyola, it has the Loyola, it's like that L-C-Z-N, it has its own zoning,

1789
03:04:35,250 --> 03:04:38,230
But, um, but it's still C.N.

1790
03:04:38,670 --> 03:04:40,990
It's an underlying zoning is still C.N.

1791
03:04:41,290 --> 03:04:41,450
There.

1792
03:04:41,730 --> 03:04:41,970
Yeah.

1793
03:04:42,190 --> 03:04:44,410
You sure what it's got a couple different zones.

1794
03:04:44,830 --> 03:04:45,470
I know.

1795
03:04:45,470 --> 03:04:50,710
And I know they cleaned up Loyola Corner specific plan for two stories.

1796
03:04:50,910 --> 03:04:53,070
Because it had two stories in some places.

1797
03:04:53,110 --> 03:04:55,330
And then it had 30 feet in other places.

1798
03:04:56,430 --> 03:04:57,770
Because it had that shot.

1799
03:04:58,010 --> 03:04:59,070
And then we got.

1800
03:04:59,190 --> 03:04:59,650
I don't know.

1801
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:20,280
We did have that litigation, but, you know, we prevailed on, you know, the two stories, but it got cleaned up, but we, what we may need to do is come back and look at the Sherwood and the Loyola specific plans.

1802
03:05:22,420 --> 03:05:30,140
that's why it's on the list. Okay, so Vice Mayor, you said that was your last one. Perfect.

1803
03:05:31,440 --> 03:05:35,300
So, I want to close this item. We need a motion.

1804
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:40,600
I can't raise my hand. I'm having a trouble raising my hand.

1805
03:05:41,000 --> 03:05:42,520
Oh, go ahead, Councilmember Leang.

1806
03:05:43,660 --> 03:05:50,480
on the second item she just brought up. It was discussed for the implications of specific

1807
03:05:50,480 --> 03:05:57,480
kind of floors. It was also the specific kind of the total building, not just the floors.

1808
03:05:58,660 --> 03:06:02,380
So I just want to make sure we capture that.

1809
03:06:02,880 --> 03:06:04,560
Okay. Thank you.

1810
03:06:05,360 --> 03:06:10,780
All right. Who wants to pull this together and make the motion for us to introduce

1811
03:06:10,780 --> 03:06:13,040
this ordinance with the amendments,

1812
03:06:17,650 --> 03:06:41,350
the vice mayor. Are you ready? Okay, let's see. I have to do a, my right paper in front of me. I move that we introduce and way first reading of ordinance number two zero two one dash four seven eight and the zoning text amendments.

1813
03:06:41,350 --> 03:07:01,900
ZTA 2 0 dash 0 0 0 0 3 with the amendments discussed and agreed by Council this evening and I'm going to make a separate motion on the stuff that's getting referred.

1814
03:07:02,440 --> 03:07:02,720
Exactly.

1815
03:07:06,050 --> 03:07:15,110
Okay, unless the city attorney or Mr. Biggs has concerns with the way we frame that motion, I will take a second. I see council member Lee and with her hand raised.

1816
03:07:15,110 --> 03:07:17,850
I'll be glad to second that motion.

1817
03:07:17,990 --> 03:07:19,150
Thank you, Councilmember Lee.

1818
03:07:19,170 --> 03:07:22,010
And before we go to the vote, Councilmember Meadows.

1819
03:07:22,290 --> 03:07:23,990
I saw you had, oh, it's gone.

1820
03:07:24,370 --> 03:07:26,270
Were you just raising your hand to second the motion?

1821
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:30,680
Councilmember Meadows?

1822
03:07:31,440 --> 03:07:31,760
Yes.

1823
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:32,680
Okay.

1824
03:07:33,240 --> 03:07:39,240
So we have the motion by the vice mayor, seconded by Councilmember Lee.

1825
03:07:39,240 --> 03:07:40,020
Egg City Clerk.

1826
03:07:40,120 --> 03:07:41,700
Can you please call the vote?

1827
03:07:41,980 --> 03:07:42,240
Yes.

1828
03:07:42,540 --> 03:07:43,660
Councilmember Meadows?

1829
03:07:44,560 --> 03:07:44,980
Yes.

1830
03:07:45,480 --> 03:07:46,600
Councilmember Weinberg?

1831
03:07:46,600 --> 03:07:50,740
Yes. Councilmember Lee Eng. Yes.

1832
03:07:52,080 --> 03:07:53,900
Nice Mayer and Andrew. Yes.

1833
03:07:54,680 --> 03:07:56,420
And Mayor Fliker. Yes.

1834
03:07:57,060 --> 03:07:59,120
Thank you. The motion passes five to zero.

1835
03:07:59,700 --> 03:08:02,620
And Mayor, I'll make another motion.

1836
03:08:04,140 --> 03:08:07,120
To refer to staff.

1837
03:08:08,220 --> 03:08:10,080
The items discussed.

1838
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:26,340
During the conversation regarding agenda item 9, and for staff to frame and as appropriate,

1839
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:35,740
we refer and gather recommendations from the Planning Commission for any additions,

1840
03:08:35,740 --> 03:08:51,000
changes or deletions to codes, then the newly approved code section, or the zoning text

1841
03:08:51,000 --> 03:09:00,880
amendments that are being codified, that there is ETA 2 0 dash 0 0 0 3. I think that will

1842
03:09:00,880 --> 03:09:08,210
stand. I think for recommendations to come back to council for those changes.

1843
03:09:12,560 --> 03:09:23,360
Okay, does anybody have any questions or concerns with the way that's framed. I mean, it makes sense to me. I know exactly what we should what should happen here, but staff is it clear what the direction is.

1844
03:09:23,360 --> 03:09:24,720
I understand that.

1845
03:09:25,780 --> 03:09:26,220
Mr. Biggs.

1846
03:09:26,520 --> 03:09:26,740
Okay.

1847
03:09:26,960 --> 03:09:27,380
Smart Berlin.

1848
03:09:28,200 --> 03:09:29,380
I'll talk to you.

1849
03:09:29,400 --> 03:09:30,920
Second that.

1850
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:31,620
Thank you.

1851
03:09:31,740 --> 03:09:34,320
So we have the motion by the vice mayor.

1852
03:09:34,500 --> 03:09:37,520
Seconded by council member Lee and city court.

1853
03:09:37,820 --> 03:09:39,460
Please call the vote.

1854
03:09:40,140 --> 03:09:40,260
Sure.

1855
03:09:40,580 --> 03:09:41,360
Mayor Flagger.

1856
03:09:42,420 --> 03:09:42,760
Yes.

1857
03:09:44,100 --> 03:09:45,020
Vice mayor in the under.

1858
03:09:48,020 --> 03:09:49,120
Council member Weinberg.

1859
03:09:50,120 --> 03:09:50,360
Yes.

1860
03:09:50,360 --> 03:09:52,380
Council Member Meadows,

1861
03:09:57,580 --> 03:09:59,600
your muted Council Member Meadows.

1862
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:05,160
I, oh, I said yes, I wasn't muted when I said it, I did thank my apologies.

1863
03:10:07,060 --> 03:10:13,720
And councilmember Leading. Yes, thank you. The motion passes five to zero. Thank you.

1864
03:10:14,320 --> 03:10:18,940
Okay, thank you everybody. I know that took a lot, but it was important and I'm very happy.

1865
03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:24,440
At least we did the first step to have objective standards for the community. It's a great. Thank you.

1866
03:10:26,700 --> 03:10:52,500
And so I'm looking at the agenda, and I know we have a lot of, well, I know we have some residents here on item number 11, and I don't know how long if Mr. England has a time estimate on number 10, but unless council members have an objection to moving up 11, I'm inclined to do that.

1867
03:10:52,500 --> 03:10:54,600
But of course, it's 10 is a quick item.

1868
03:10:54,600 --> 03:10:57,600
We could quickly do it and then move to 11.

1869
03:10:58,760 --> 03:11:00,580
So I see heads nodding.

1870
03:11:00,680 --> 03:11:03,300
So Mr. England, you may not have to direct us here.

1871
03:11:03,900 --> 03:11:05,800
Is the consensus, let's do 10?

1872
03:11:06,680 --> 03:11:11,100
Or, okay, so then we will move to our first discussion item.

1873
03:11:11,480 --> 03:11:15,000
Item number 10, and I will turn it over to Mr. Golden.

1874
03:11:16,060 --> 03:11:17,080
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1875
03:11:19,070 --> 03:11:21,790
Good evening, Madam Mayor and Vice Mayor

1876
03:11:21,790 --> 03:11:23,310
and the rest of the council members.

1877
03:11:24,070 --> 03:11:30,430
I have a quick presentation, but I don't really need to provide it to you.

1878
03:11:31,170 --> 03:11:39,610
The only thing that I would suggest is there were just three minor corrections to the draft ordinance.

1879
03:11:40,030 --> 03:11:41,250
They were super minor.

1880
03:11:41,590 --> 03:11:47,490
I will share my screen. I'm going to turn off my video and then share my screen and get one sec.

1881
03:11:49,030 --> 03:11:51,110
You get the gold star for backgrounds.

1882
03:11:53,070 --> 03:12:04,490
Thanks. So if you can see my screen, these were the three sections, 1260.020. There was a missing

1883
03:12:04,490 --> 03:12:14,750
word in their regulations. Section 12.60. One, three, zero. The designation of the flood

1884
03:12:14,750 --> 03:12:19,250
play administrator. There's some other language, I think, in definitions that already

1885
03:12:19,250 --> 03:12:30,130
have this but it should be the community development director and then finally section 12.60.290.

1886
03:12:31,370 --> 03:12:39,070
The word or was either missing or misspelled or something. So those are three just minor

1887
03:12:39,070 --> 03:12:45,110
corrections that you should include or we're recommending to include in your emotions.

1888
03:12:46,170 --> 03:12:53,510
And there are two recommendations before you.

1889
03:12:54,610 --> 03:12:59,010
And the first one is to adopt an urgency ordinance.

1890
03:12:59,670 --> 03:13:03,170
And the second one is to introduce an adopt up the regular ordinance.

1891
03:13:03,350 --> 03:13:07,150
They're actually the same ordinance and the same ordinances.

1892
03:13:08,250 --> 03:13:14,010
And if you have questions about that, I would refer those to the city attorney at this time.

1893
03:13:15,070 --> 03:13:18,050
And if you have any questions, I can take them.

1894
03:13:18,870 --> 03:13:19,390
Otherwise,

1895
03:13:21,470 --> 03:13:22,630
thank you very much.

1896
03:13:23,290 --> 03:13:27,870
Thank you, Mr. Golden, and I'm hoping because so many council members said this should be a quick item.

1897
03:13:28,210 --> 03:13:29,110
It is a quick item.

1898
03:13:30,050 --> 03:13:34,210
So if there are no questions from Mr. Golden, I don't see any hands.

1899
03:13:34,270 --> 03:13:39,130
Let's go to the public to see if members of the public have any comments on this item.

1900
03:13:42,460 --> 03:13:48,460
to the court. I don't see any hands raised. I want to always check with you. No, I do not either.

1901
03:13:49,840 --> 03:13:58,760
Point of clarification, this ordinance will need a for fist vote for the urgency and then just a regular majority for the regular ordinance.

1902
03:13:58,760 --> 03:14:12,540
thanks for that reminder for the attorney. So with no comments from members of the public I'll bring it back to council and I see someone has their hand raised and vice mayor in under go ahead.

1903
03:14:12,780 --> 03:14:19,760
Madam Mayor, I'd like to move that we adopt urgency ordinance number 2021-479.

1904
03:14:19,760 --> 03:14:26,460
remaining the city of Los Altoes Municipal Code to repeal chapter 12.60, flood hazard area

1905
03:14:26,460 --> 03:14:35,040
regulations and replace it with new chapter 12.0 entitled floodplain management to adopt

1906
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:40,500
flood hazard masks, maps, and make findings that this ordinance is exempt under

1907
03:14:40,500 --> 03:14:46,420
equal guidelines section 1, 5, 3, 0, 7, and 1, 5, 3, 0, 8.

1908
03:14:47,640 --> 03:14:53,500
So we have the motion by, by, smear, enander, cosmemory, enu, have your hand raised.

1909
03:14:54,120 --> 03:14:54,560
Pretty good.

1910
03:14:54,900 --> 03:14:55,780
Second that motion.

1911
03:14:56,380 --> 03:14:58,720
So we have the motion by the, by, smear.

1912
03:14:59,260 --> 03:14:59,980
Second in, by.

1913
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:04,480
Council member Lee Eng, city clerk, can you call the vote? And again, it needs to be forfeit.

1914
03:15:05,040 --> 03:15:11,240
Sure. Finally, amendment, though. Sorry, I have my hand raised. Oh, go ahead, council member.

1915
03:15:11,460 --> 03:15:27,060
I just think it's important, because the chapter name, vice mayor, misspoke and called it, I think chapter 12.0 or something. So in both instances, we're repealing chapter 12.6.

1916
03:15:27,060 --> 03:15:31,120
And zero and replacing it with a new chapter 12.6 zero.

1917
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:31,580
Thank you.

1918
03:15:31,840 --> 03:15:32,700
It was missing.

1919
03:15:33,940 --> 03:15:34,300
Okay.

1920
03:15:34,400 --> 03:15:36,400
Friendly amendment to you accept that.

1921
03:15:36,780 --> 03:15:37,500
Okay.

1922
03:15:38,260 --> 03:15:38,320
Yes.

1923
03:15:39,540 --> 03:15:41,420
So we have the motion.

1924
03:15:41,820 --> 03:15:46,120
As amended by the vice mayor seconded by council member.

1925
03:15:46,440 --> 03:15:47,900
And city clerk.

1926
03:15:48,620 --> 03:15:50,060
Council member Weinberg.

1927
03:15:50,980 --> 03:15:51,380
Yes.

1928
03:15:52,580 --> 03:15:54,300
Council member Lee Aang.

1929
03:15:54,640 --> 03:15:54,820
Yes.

1930
03:15:56,290 --> 03:16:07,110
by smearing the ender? Yes. Mayer Flagger? Yes. And Councilmember Meadows. Yes. Thank you,

1931
03:16:07,270 --> 03:16:13,150
pass us your nannus me. You unanimously. Thank you. And if no discussion on the second item,

1932
03:16:13,310 --> 03:16:14,610
I will entertain a motion.

1933
03:16:17,910 --> 03:16:21,010
And this is for the regular ordinance, not an urgency ordinance.

1934
03:16:22,510 --> 03:16:28,770
I see that Councilmember Meadows with her hand raised. Yes, Mayor, I move that we

1935
03:16:28,790 --> 03:16:36,790
introduced and read by title only and way further reading of ordinance number 2021-480,

1936
03:16:38,070 --> 03:16:47,030
amending the city of Los Alpto's Municipal Code to repeal chapter 12.60, and to replace it with a new chapter 12.60,

1937
03:16:48,350 --> 03:16:54,930
entitled floodplain management to adopt flood hazard mass and making findings that this ordinance is exempt

1938
03:16:54,930 --> 03:17:15,790
under SQL guidelines section 15307 and 15308 and I will second it. I don't see any hands raised so motion by council member meadows seconded by the mayor city card. Can you go ahead and call the roll there council member Leeing. Yes. Council member Weinberg.

1939
03:17:19,580 --> 03:17:21,860
Yes. Mayor Flagger. Yes.

1940
03:17:21,860 --> 03:17:30,920
Vice Mary Nandor. Yes. And Councilmember Meadows. Yes. Thank you. The motion passes five to zero.

1941
03:17:31,960 --> 03:17:40,980
Great. Thank you all so much. And so next up is item number 11, which is the license agreement with the friends of the library.

1942
03:17:41,160 --> 03:17:45,760
And I will turn it over to Mr. England and I think Mr. Hernandez.

1943
03:17:45,760 --> 03:17:54,680
Thank you, Mayor. In January of 2020 the city council provided direction to the city manager to execute a lease with the friends of the library.

1944
03:17:55,380 --> 03:18:00,700
The motion which passed called for the friends to remain on the current site as they're located.

1945
03:18:01,440 --> 03:18:08,160
And for the friends to pay any capital expenses with that building, including utility improvements or site preparation.

1946
03:18:09,200 --> 03:18:11,460
and any cost to make the bill a more permanent.

1947
03:18:12,200 --> 03:18:16,160
The direction of that time was if the lease was to go outside of these parameters

1948
03:18:16,160 --> 03:18:18,960
it should return to the City Council for consideration.

1949
03:18:19,980 --> 03:18:24,520
The City Council directed the City Manager execute an agreement with no expiration date

1950
03:18:24,520 --> 03:18:31,140
and focus on revocation of that agreement when or if a new library was built or an alternative

1951
03:18:31,140 --> 03:18:33,500
site was determined to be feasible.

1952
03:18:33,500 --> 03:18:42,180
Further, the City Council author has a city manager to approve a lease where operations are the friends of the library were set substantially similar to their current operation.

1953
03:18:42,900 --> 03:18:52,220
The friends requested a ten-year term and a larger building, though it's important to note not a larger pat, so their impact wouldn't be greater.

1954
03:18:52,220 --> 03:18:55,140
and also consideration of the bus barn,

1955
03:18:55,340 --> 03:18:56,800
should of the theater move.

1956
03:18:57,820 --> 03:18:59,620
Staff felt these changes were significant,

1957
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:02,520
enough that we should return the item to city council

1958
03:19:02,520 --> 03:19:03,680
for approval.

1959
03:19:04,740 --> 03:19:08,620
And also we wanted to make it clear from a staff perspective

1960
03:19:08,620 --> 03:19:10,940
when we wrote the staff report,

1961
03:19:11,220 --> 03:19:14,780
we were looking at the alternatives based on what exists today.

1962
03:19:15,520 --> 03:19:19,820
So we didn't go back in time before that temporary approval

1963
03:19:19,820 --> 03:19:25,340
was granted. We just looked at the benefits, the drawbacks from what existed today.

1964
03:19:26,300 --> 03:19:33,060
So for tonight, assuming council has a discussion and agrees, this is a type of use they want.

1965
03:19:34,500 --> 03:19:39,580
On the government center property, we have a presentation from the friends of the library

1966
03:19:39,580 --> 03:19:42,720
and staff will be able to answer any questions.

1967
03:19:44,420 --> 03:19:48,960
Thanks, Mr. England. So I'll go ahead and have the friends of the library and I see Catherine

1968
03:19:48,960 --> 03:19:53,100
is with us, so I'll have her present, and then we can go to questions.

1969
03:19:55,560 --> 03:19:56,380
Okay, good to hear you.

1970
03:19:56,780 --> 03:19:59,980
Are we limiting the time or are we going to do a 10 minute or...

1971
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:02,240
For whatever, are you just doing a presentation?

1972
03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:09,080
I think I can get the presentation done in 10 minutes. I'll be reading it later.

1973
03:20:11,280 --> 03:20:19,420
So, okay. So, before I get to the request, I just thought I'd refer to everyone's memories

1974
03:20:19,420 --> 03:20:27,880
and give you a quick review of how we got here. Today, it early 2019, and after several months of discussion

1975
03:20:27,880 --> 03:20:34,180
with city representatives. It became clear that friends would not be able to occupy space in the new community center.

1976
03:20:35,280 --> 03:20:40,300
The city and the friends jointly began a careful review to find an alternate location.

1977
03:20:41,120 --> 03:20:46,540
In addition to the civic center, we tour the city, looking at various parks and public buildings.

1978
03:20:47,260 --> 03:20:53,360
Some sites were quickly marked off the list while others such as Rosita Park and Woodland Library

1979
03:20:53,360 --> 03:21:00,780
were given careful consideration. Additionally, friends spoke with a few developers on unoccupied space,

1980
03:21:01,060 --> 03:21:07,120
and we contacted other nonprofits that might have some space available. Unfortunately, these did not

1981
03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:12,140
pan out as the developers had long-term plans for their building sites, and other nonprofits

1982
03:21:12,140 --> 03:21:17,520
either were space constrained themselves or did not have an appropriate space to offer.

1983
03:21:18,820 --> 03:21:23,260
As part of this review, we studied our processes and found that the key driver

1984
03:21:23,260 --> 03:21:28,760
for any location was the transportation of books.

1985
03:21:29,660 --> 03:21:31,200
Donations are made at the library,

1986
03:21:31,660 --> 03:21:34,040
volunteers transport these to our workroom,

1987
03:21:34,520 --> 03:21:35,960
and after processing their transport

1988
03:21:35,960 --> 03:21:39,460
into the community center or lazy for our use book sales.

1989
03:21:40,160 --> 03:21:42,280
It's a labor intensive task, which is

1990
03:21:42,280 --> 03:21:45,080
led by a dedicated group of seniors.

1991
03:21:46,180 --> 03:21:49,000
And even if we could have absorbed the cost of hiring a truck

1992
03:21:49,000 --> 03:21:51,820
or other able-bodied assistance,

1993
03:21:51,820 --> 03:21:57,060
proximity to the book donations site in our selling sites is key to efficiency.

1994
03:21:58,500 --> 03:22:06,800
After this evaluation, we found that the Civic Center still came out on top as the best site for friends and to anticipate a question.

1995
03:22:07,280 --> 03:22:13,340
Woodland Library didn't seem like a viable alternative at one time, and we looked at this closely.

1996
03:22:14,320 --> 03:22:18,640
However, the small piece of land with very limited parking

1997
03:22:18,640 --> 03:22:24,160
present a challenge is not only with extra traffic generated by the movement of books,

1998
03:22:25,560 --> 03:22:31,640
but also with the amount of parking that friends would, excuse me, would need for our volunteers.

1999
03:22:33,020 --> 03:22:38,320
And last any space that the friends occupied at Woodland would limit expansion of the wood and library,

2000
03:22:38,920 --> 03:22:42,540
which is something we believe the community desires.

2001
03:22:43,580 --> 03:22:55,560
Bottom line, we are confident that all the viable alternatives have been thoroughly reviewed by friends with the staff and council members and the Civic Center remains the best option.

2002
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:58,020
Next slide please.

2003
03:22:58,520 --> 03:22:58,900
There we go.

2004
03:22:59,460 --> 03:23:06,780
With this in mind, the city prepared the site near the soccer field and permitted friends to install a portable along with the storage sheds.

2005
03:23:06,780 --> 03:23:09,940
between the History Museum and the Police Department,

2006
03:23:10,660 --> 03:23:14,780
a temporary lease beside and this was to be replaced with a longer term agreement,

2007
03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:19,780
which the friends and staff drafted over the last 18 months. Next slide.

2008
03:23:21,260 --> 03:23:25,620
Tonight, friends are here to request that the City Council approve a temporary license agreement

2009
03:23:25,620 --> 03:23:30,720
before them to replace the existing lease, which expires when the new community center

2010
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:33,760
opens in October. Next slide.

2011
03:23:35,000 --> 03:23:40,060
The major terms of the agreement include the friends use of land in the Civic Center for its

2012
03:23:40,060 --> 03:23:46,340
book processing operations and storage of books for sale, the initial term of the license is 10 years

2013
03:23:46,340 --> 03:23:53,260
after which is renewable annually. Friends accept the land and it as is state, but has the

2014
03:23:53,260 --> 03:23:59,740
ability to have electricity brought in. And all building structures and utility improvements must

2015
03:23:59,740 --> 03:24:05,060
employee with city requirements, necessitating designer review through the planning department,

2016
03:24:05,460 --> 03:24:11,780
all of which is to pay for by the friends. And just to be clear, the friends is not requesting

2017
03:24:11,780 --> 03:24:13,340
any funding from the city.

2018
03:24:15,620 --> 03:24:18,980
So I'm sure you'll aware where the current buildings are so

2019
03:24:18,980 --> 03:24:29,720
going to detail the portables by the soccer field, the storage sheds are in the back of the

2020
03:24:29,720 --> 03:24:38,040
All structures were proved by the city and place carefully to ensure there's a little or no impact on the heritage trees near each site.

2021
03:24:38,680 --> 03:24:39,520
Next slide.

2022
03:24:40,580 --> 03:24:45,660
You may also notice that the friends have been given space within the library near the back.

2023
03:24:45,700 --> 03:24:46,700
Back entrance.

2024
03:24:47,680 --> 03:24:53,620
This area was generously allocated by the library district to help friends transition out of Hillview.

2025
03:24:53,620 --> 03:24:59,840
In this extra space, it's been essential for our high value sales operations and processing.

2026
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:09,500
Children's books. Over the last two years, our dedicated volunteers fully re-engineered our processes to

2027
03:25:09,500 --> 03:25:16,200
efficiently use these four different locations, which replaced our one room and held you. Next slide.

2028
03:25:18,040 --> 03:25:22,380
So you may be asking why friends are asking for the initial term of 10 years.

2029
03:25:23,240 --> 03:25:28,400
First reason is to provide friends with a guaranteed period of time that will allow us to enhance

2030
03:25:28,400 --> 03:25:35,300
operations. The transition from Hillview and the pandemic especially is thrown as for a loop

2031
03:25:35,300 --> 03:25:40,620
and we've made significant changes to adjust and ensure the safety of our volunteers.

2032
03:25:41,740 --> 03:25:46,480
We are currently assessing which of these changes we should keep and what other

2033
03:25:46,480 --> 03:25:51,200
optimizations we can make to streamline our book processing and sales operations further.

2034
03:25:52,820 --> 03:25:57,420
Having the confidence that these will not be upended because of the loss of these facilities is

2035
03:25:57,420 --> 03:25:59,900
essential for any businesses productivity.

2036
03:26:01,600 --> 03:26:07,540
As you can imagine, working out of four locations presents some challenges, with a longer term for this agreement,

2037
03:26:08,160 --> 03:26:14,680
gives us the opportunity to consolidate our operations by replacing the portable with the different classroom type structure.

2038
03:26:16,040 --> 03:26:21,200
And if we're going to spend nearly $200,000 in capital expense to upgrade our facilities,

2039
03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:24,880
we need the assurance that we will not lose the investment.

2040
03:26:25,900 --> 03:26:32,300
Purchasing a structure, rather than leasing as we are now, is more cost-effective option by far.

2041
03:26:33,660 --> 03:26:39,580
After performing at detail analysis, the break-even point between leasing and approaches is eight years,

2042
03:26:40,220 --> 03:26:43,600
hence the request for a ten-year initial license term.

2043
03:26:44,440 --> 03:26:48,300
If, for example, in your five, friends were told they must remove the building

2044
03:26:48,300 --> 03:26:51,040
or even be required to move out of the Civic Center,

2045
03:26:51,920 --> 03:26:54,360
then we would experience the significant loss,

2046
03:26:54,560 --> 03:27:00,620
which ultimately, and negatively impacts support we can get to the library next slide.

2047
03:27:02,440 --> 03:27:07,200
Friends would like to move forward with replacement structure that still fits on the existing pad.

2048
03:27:07,760 --> 03:27:11,120
Onina's structure will allow us to alter and improve its appearance,

2049
03:27:11,280 --> 03:27:16,240
say, with paint or possibly landscaping, making it more aesthetically pleasing.

2050
03:27:17,220 --> 03:27:23,560
The biggest benefit of a larger building is that friends would be able to consolidate our operations in one space.

2051
03:27:24,100 --> 03:27:27,900
Move out of the library and return the library space to the community.

2052
03:27:28,960 --> 03:27:35,980
Remember, friends are patrons too, and we prefer that all the public library space be dedicated to patron use.

2053
03:27:37,120 --> 03:27:45,720
Logistically, the benefits of consolidation are enormous, and we believe that we'll be appreciated by the community as well.

2054
03:27:45,720 --> 03:27:56,960
Without two separate book processing areas, we'll be moving far fewer boxes across the parking lot and just as important as is the volunteers can work together again.

2055
03:27:57,780 --> 03:28:01,840
The social aspect of our work can be just as essential as the community benefit.

2056
03:28:03,380 --> 03:28:11,280
Our desire is to replace the existing portable as soon as possible at latest before the lease on this building expires next August.

2057
03:28:11,280 --> 03:28:26,240
As soon as this life since agreement is signed, friends will begin putting together plans for submission to the planning department for design review and work to identify a final plan that aligns with the city's requirements.

2058
03:28:26,240 --> 03:28:27,880
Next slide.

2059
03:28:30,170 --> 03:28:34,630
Friends in the city of Los Autos have a very long history of mutual support

2060
03:28:34,630 --> 03:28:41,070
and being neighbors on the Civic Center. For 40 years, friends is used city land to operate

2061
03:28:41,070 --> 03:28:47,950
and offer use books for sale. We intern donate the phones that we generate back to the community.

2062
03:28:48,810 --> 03:28:52,970
Most of this money goes to support the best-seller book collection and library programs,

2063
03:28:52,970 --> 03:28:59,590
But we've also purchased tables, chairs, and other items for the cities and the libraries use when the need becomes clear.

2064
03:29:00,430 --> 03:29:13,290
We feel that we are a part of the fabric of the community engagement throughout our town, not only due to our financial support, but also due to the opportunity for hundreds of residents to volunteer every year.

2065
03:29:13,830 --> 03:29:14,770
Next slide.

2066
03:29:17,080 --> 03:29:19,160
Next slide. There we go. Thank you.

2067
03:29:22,120 --> 03:29:36,980
So that is my presentation, thank you for your attention, transition out of Hillview has been a long process and we appreciate your support and the assistance of city staff, especially Maddie and his team.

2068
03:29:36,980 --> 03:29:50,440
It's taken 18 months to get this draft license agreement to you and we've all had to deal with many other challenges over this time, including the temporary shutdown of the library and as well as our operations.

2069
03:29:51,660 --> 03:29:58,060
We're pleased over so close to completing this project and would appreciate approval of the license agreement this evening.

2070
03:29:58,780 --> 03:29:59,760
So that both the city.

2071
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,200
And the friends can move forward with other more pressing needs. So I'm ready for any questions you may have. Thank you.

2072
03:30:09,240 --> 03:30:21,700
Thank you, Catherine. And yes, we will move to questions. So I'm looking for any virtual hands questions either for staff, Mr. England and Mr. Hernandez or questions for Catherine.

2073
03:30:21,700 --> 03:30:22,440
with the friends.

2074
03:30:23,060 --> 03:30:24,460
Any council member Metos?

2075
03:30:25,960 --> 03:30:32,460
First, Catherine, I'll ask you a question since you were just speaking and you and I spoke

2076
03:30:32,460 --> 03:30:41,700
about this topic the other day and you explain some information about friends monetary position

2077
03:30:41,700 --> 03:30:51,680
and I thought it was useful, so could you please explain how the cash reserves of the organization

2078
03:30:51,680 --> 03:31:00,540
actually is allocated. Okay, I'll be glad to. So as you may we would maybe aware after reading our

2079
03:31:00,540 --> 03:31:09,380
annual report, the friends was fortunate to have a healthy balance of our assets of $950,000.

2080
03:31:10,980 --> 03:31:21,360
So we feel good about that. That's doing part for the nice growth in the stock market over the last

2081
03:31:21,360 --> 03:31:33,800
years. But I do want to point out that about 50% of those that fund those assets are in donor

2082
03:31:33,800 --> 03:31:48,120
designated funds that support our books for schools program for example and also in a capital

2083
03:31:48,120 --> 03:31:56,540
fund that is being saved to be used for the redevelopment of our new library. So that leaves

2084
03:31:56,540 --> 03:32:04,380
you know, half of our funds, 200k, which we planned to use to upgrade our facilities. And that

2085
03:32:04,380 --> 03:32:12,460
would basically leave about $250,000 in unrealized capital gains, which we could look

2086
03:32:12,460 --> 03:32:25,680
day, of course, any time to support the library. If we did that, we returned to pre-COVID funding

2087
03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:31,960
support that we gave the library, and that would last about two years. So that's why it's,

2088
03:32:31,960 --> 03:32:42,440
we feel it's imperative to keep our operations going so we continue to support the library for the

2089
03:32:42,440 --> 03:33:07,720
And then Mayor, if I can I have another question, this is for staff, and if we could get a clarification about this agreement, does it cover all three structures on the Civic Center property, or is this regarding specifically the larger building with the pad near the soccer field?

2090
03:33:08,580 --> 03:33:15,820
This license agreement is set up and actually has an outline of all three facilities structures.

2091
03:33:16,360 --> 03:33:19,100
Those two storage and the one portable.

2092
03:33:19,380 --> 03:33:19,700
All

2093
03:33:21,970 --> 03:33:22,110
right.

2094
03:33:22,290 --> 03:33:22,690
Thank you.

2095
03:33:22,910 --> 03:33:24,170
That's all my questions.

2096
03:33:25,070 --> 03:33:25,410
Thank you.

2097
03:33:25,530 --> 03:33:26,650
Councilmember Meadows.

2098
03:33:27,690 --> 03:33:28,930
Councilmember Weinberg.

2099
03:33:30,490 --> 03:33:31,290
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2100
03:33:31,750 --> 03:33:34,510
I just want to make a couple of quick disclosures.

2101
03:33:35,050 --> 03:33:39,210
First, I live within about 500 feet of the Woodman Branch Library.

2102
03:33:39,210 --> 03:33:49,950
I discussed this with the City Attorney, a week or two ago, and was advised that since I'm not getting any personal benefit out of this, that I do not have a conflict of interest.

2103
03:33:50,770 --> 03:33:57,370
The second disclosure I wanted to make is that I did meet with Catherine from Friends of the Library, one on one, about a week ago.

2104
03:34:01,800 --> 03:34:06,520
Thank you, Council Member Lainberg for that disclosure. Much appreciated.

2105
03:34:08,020 --> 03:34:27,560
I don't see any other council member hands raised and I don't have any questions so with that I'm going to look to the clerk to help me look at the attend me list to see how many members of the public that would like to comment on this item.

2106
03:34:28,640 --> 03:34:32,300
Do we have any hands raised? I don't see any city court.

2107
03:34:32,300 --> 03:34:41,920
that I made. There was a hand raise and I went to allow the person to speak and it's given me the

2108
03:34:41,920 --> 03:34:47,760
the message that their system is not compatible. I tried to promote them as a panelist so if they

2109
03:34:47,760 --> 03:34:52,800
get that message and can join as a panelist they should be able to speak. I now have two other hands

2110
03:34:53,700 --> 03:34:59,980
is that Roberta because no it was it was a I'm sorry I didn't even recognize the name

2111
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:18,220
Okay. Could I ask a question? I'm sorry. I tried to raise my hand, but my button was stuck for the year. Oh, okay. Sure. So we'll just go back to Council Member Lee, and so we can close the question portion of the item to Council Member Lee and go ahead.

2112
03:35:18,220 --> 03:35:29,560
And my question is to staff, so I think the way this report is written, it was to understand how we were going to move forward.

2113
03:35:30,240 --> 03:35:43,220
So at that time, if it wasn't clear for me how we were going to move forward, how was it clear to you that a negotiation had to be contract had to be negotiated.

2114
03:35:44,260 --> 03:35:48,560
So I think like we're skipping a step, could you help me understand that please?

2115
03:35:49,600 --> 03:36:07,200
That's certainly a council member reading. The council direction from the January 2020 meeting was clear to allow the city manager to execute a lease agreement with the friends of the library if a mutually acceptable agreement could be reached.

2116
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:11,640
If it was outside of those parameters, it was to return to the city council.

2117
03:36:12,840 --> 03:36:23,900
I think the other question that you raised is also a legitimate policy question is if this is no longer intended to be a temporary use, then should council first be discussing,

2118
03:36:24,600 --> 03:36:27,600
is this type of user-appropriate for the government center?

2119
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:31,080
And if so, then moving on to the licensing agreement.

2120
03:36:38,150 --> 03:36:40,430
Okay, I reset my rest for comments.

2121
03:36:40,790 --> 03:36:41,230
Thank you.

2122
03:36:41,230 --> 03:36:45,710
Thank you. Okay, so now we will go to public comment city clerk.

2123
03:36:46,070 --> 03:36:48,450
On the other hand, so I can set the amount of time.

2124
03:36:49,510 --> 03:36:56,510
We have four hands up. We have four hands and again members of the public if you would like to comment on this item.

2125
03:36:56,610 --> 03:36:58,590
Please raise your hand now. It's late.

2126
03:36:59,430 --> 03:37:03,070
And so we really want to have a good gauge of how many people will be commenting.

2127
03:37:03,410 --> 03:37:05,530
So with only four hands raised.

2128
03:37:06,150 --> 03:37:07,970
There are now five.

2129
03:37:10,450 --> 03:37:15,990
We will pursue it to the current norms if three minutes each.

2130
03:37:16,970 --> 03:37:19,230
Okay. Our first speaker is Roberta.

2131
03:37:23,500 --> 03:37:25,860
Hi. This is Roberta. Can you hear me?

2132
03:37:26,260 --> 03:37:26,620
Yes.

2133
03:37:26,660 --> 03:37:28,620
I'm going to give you evening and.

2134
03:37:29,460 --> 03:37:31,300
Good evening friends of the library as well.

2135
03:37:31,660 --> 03:37:36,340
And I just want to make sure that the comments that I make are not in any way.

2136
03:37:36,340 --> 03:37:43,660
to the friends of the library because I am a senior and I think we all love our libraries here in town.

2137
03:37:44,700 --> 03:37:52,540
But I do have a very big concern initially about that I really do think that we need a policy in place

2138
03:37:52,540 --> 03:37:56,120
before we move forward with any kind of long-term lease.

2139
03:37:56,120 --> 03:38:05,260
I read the current land lease agreement, which is supposed to expire when the community

2140
03:38:05,260 --> 03:38:06,240
center opens,

2141
03:38:08,420 --> 03:38:14,240
and the faculty matter is that our land is worth about $8 to $10 million

2142
03:38:14,240 --> 03:38:20,560
per acre, and to use that to store books just seems very, very excessive,

2143
03:38:22,860 --> 03:38:25,800
and if they were

2144
03:38:25,800 --> 03:38:29,500
to lease space in a downtown.

2145
03:38:30,100 --> 03:38:33,300
It would be about $4,50 per square foot.

2146
03:38:33,660 --> 03:38:35,480
And I checked that with the real estate broker.

2147
03:38:36,540 --> 03:38:38,260
And so they'd be paying, you know,

2148
03:38:38,400 --> 03:38:41,740
$8,000 a month to the amount of space

2149
03:38:41,740 --> 03:38:45,740
that they're asking the city to give in this lease.

2150
03:38:45,820 --> 03:38:49,080
I think a 10 year lease is way too long.

2151
03:38:49,220 --> 03:38:51,100
This was always intended to be temporary.

2152
03:38:52,340 --> 03:38:56,300
There is no guarantee that July very vulnerable pass.

2153
03:38:56,740 --> 03:39:03,720
There is no guarantee that the library will provide space for the friends of the library in the future.

2154
03:39:05,200 --> 03:39:09,720
I think the friends do have $9 and $50,000.

2155
03:39:10,280 --> 03:39:12,700
I was glad that that was revealed tonight.

2156
03:39:14,040 --> 03:39:21,120
available, and I think that alternative sites should be looked at number one when you

2157
03:39:21,120 --> 03:39:26,700
need to have a policy, because we've had many people over the last few years that have

2158
03:39:26,700 --> 03:39:32,240
come and said, I want to build a nine hundred student school on the help of your property.

2159
03:39:33,000 --> 03:39:36,980
I want you to do all sorts of things.

2160
03:39:36,980 --> 03:39:50,740
And the bus bomb theater, if that solution says, okay, let's give some additional land and a dollar a year to another organization in town.

2161
03:39:51,160 --> 03:39:59,460
And I really think that you need to look at what your policy is before you make a decision on a 10 year long term.

2162
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:05,560
And that was supposed to be long-term. This was supposed to be a temporary solution. Other people

2163
03:40:05,560 --> 03:40:13,280
would have to leave the community center to help you because it was not an up room with the

2164
03:40:13,280 --> 03:40:20,060
new building and bailed out of the space, told us, go on and found other space.

2165
03:40:22,300 --> 03:40:23,220
And believe me,

2166
03:40:23,220 --> 03:40:24,760
I know it's not fun,

2167
03:40:27,000 --> 03:40:31,540
but I think we need to be fair to all of the taxpayers here in town.

2168
03:40:31,700 --> 03:40:35,760
Oh, basically, we would be subsidizing the Friends of the Library.

2169
03:40:36,340 --> 03:40:37,260
Thank you, Roberta.

2170
03:40:37,800 --> 03:40:39,040
Thank you very much.

2171
03:40:40,600 --> 03:40:43,340
Our next speaker is Pierre the Dard.

2172
03:40:44,700 --> 03:40:45,100
Hi.

2173
03:40:45,620 --> 03:40:46,460
Can you hear me okay?

2174
03:40:46,820 --> 03:40:47,500
Yes, we can.

2175
03:40:47,500 --> 03:40:57,260
Great City Council Mayor, staff. I'm here speaking as a Los Santos resident today.

2176
03:40:59,260 --> 03:41:04,420
But I will disclose that I am a member of the Friends of the Library and I'm also the chair of the Los

2177
03:41:04,420 --> 03:41:12,340
Santos Library Commission. But my viewpoint is really that of a resident. I urge a council

2178
03:41:12,340 --> 03:41:19,000
about yes on this item to execute the proposed license agreement that's before you. The societal

2179
03:41:19,000 --> 03:41:26,580
impact of our library ecosystem is very much understated. A library is just not a repository for

2180
03:41:26,580 --> 03:41:29,500
books. We serve all segments of society.

2181
03:41:31,540 --> 03:41:35,080
The friends are a key part of this ecosystem and they

2182
03:41:35,080 --> 03:41:43,480
of the city support. We have two libraries within and Los Altos in the city and we serve almost

2183
03:41:43,480 --> 03:41:51,480
10,000 users per month. 10,000 citizens, 10,000 folks from the immediate area of the county.

2184
03:41:52,200 --> 03:42:00,360
The friends like many of us found a way to adapt and survive throughout COVID. They fund key activities,

2185
03:42:00,360 --> 03:42:06,800
books sales and they add value to Los Althas and its libraries. Beyond raising money,

2186
03:42:07,000 --> 03:42:13,380
they feel other community needs. As being around for 40 years as a volunteer organization,

2187
03:42:13,660 --> 03:42:19,820
they bring young and old together, working towards a common purpose, which is to better the library.

2188
03:42:20,640 --> 03:42:24,940
The book donation program is probably the greenest thing in Los Althas,

2189
03:42:24,940 --> 03:42:31,060
turning the books that might be going into a landfill, into somebody else's treasure.

2190
03:42:32,420 --> 03:42:35,640
Again, all for society and the community at large.

2191
03:42:36,580 --> 03:42:40,180
This agreement like all good agreements cuts both ways.

2192
03:42:40,960 --> 03:42:47,160
While you are being asked to grant a license that yeses to an organization allowing them space to the government center,

2193
03:42:47,800 --> 03:42:54,200
the friends commit to go through all the relevant city processes and pay for all agreed to improvements.

2194
03:42:54,200 --> 03:42:56,780
which will need to be made.

2195
03:42:57,200 --> 03:42:58,620
It goes both ways.

2196
03:42:58,740 --> 03:43:02,540
I believe it's a very strong, rational, quid pro quo

2197
03:43:02,540 --> 03:43:04,700
that serves a public good.

2198
03:43:04,980 --> 03:43:06,400
And as a less autos resident,

2199
03:43:06,760 --> 03:43:09,080
I strongly urge a council to vote yes.

2200
03:43:09,760 --> 03:43:10,520
Thank you.

2201
03:43:11,440 --> 03:43:12,620
Thank you, Pierre.

2202
03:43:16,870 --> 03:43:20,650
Madam Mayor, I have a Suzanne Epstein wishing to speak

2203
03:43:21,030 --> 03:43:24,150
but her system is incompatible with ours.

2204
03:43:24,290 --> 03:43:27,310
I'm trying to promote her, so she gets an invitation

2205
03:43:27,310 --> 03:43:34,170
to join us at panelists that will allow her to speak. In the meantime, our next speaker is Scott Spielman.

2206
03:43:38,880 --> 03:43:45,820
Thank you, Andrea. I first want to say Katherine, that was a wonderful presentation that you gave.

2207
03:43:45,940 --> 03:43:52,420
The friends of the library is undoubtedly a significant contributor to our library and our community.

2208
03:43:53,440 --> 03:44:00,020
You portray that very well. With that in mind, I'd like to encourage City Council to find ways

2209
03:44:00,020 --> 03:44:03,440
to support the friends of the library in their work.

2210
03:44:03,820 --> 03:44:06,620
There are however some challenges to do that.

2211
03:44:07,000 --> 03:44:10,400
First of all, has been mentioned by one other person

2212
03:44:10,400 --> 03:44:16,680
in the city as no policy for use or lease of public lands

2213
03:44:16,680 --> 03:44:18,080
to outside parties.

2214
03:44:18,620 --> 03:44:21,240
That needs to be done, and that should come

2215
03:44:21,240 --> 03:44:23,720
before the course, the car, before the horse.

2216
03:44:24,500 --> 03:44:26,200
Secondly, there are a number of different parties

2217
03:44:26,200 --> 03:44:28,620
that would like to use city land.

2218
03:44:28,620 --> 03:44:33,640
The History Museum, perhaps the Bacciball Court Players and Museum Group.

2219
03:44:34,200 --> 03:44:40,740
So what are our priorities in order to decide which group should use city land?

2220
03:44:41,240 --> 03:44:46,800
A policy is necessary to help sort those things out and it should come first.

2221
03:44:47,500 --> 03:44:52,120
Thirdly, public land is one of our most precious city resources.

2222
03:44:52,760 --> 03:44:55,560
It needs to be carefully managed and preserved.

2223
03:44:55,560 --> 03:44:59,980
Committing our lands for 10 years is to me far too

2224
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:09,500
Long, without a policy and agreed upon priorities in place. For example, one of our city priorities was to reason

2225
03:45:09,500 --> 03:45:17,040
reason he'll view park and that still has not happened after a promise made by council over three years ago.

2226
03:45:17,660 --> 03:45:26,660
Fourthly, it does seem reasonable even though I heard Catherine's presentation. To ask the friends

2227
03:45:26,660 --> 03:45:30,240
if there is another approach for doing this.

2228
03:45:30,560 --> 03:45:36,840
With these things in mind, I suggest the council develop a policy for land use

2229
03:45:36,840 --> 03:45:41,140
for key groups in our city that should come before long-term these.

2230
03:45:41,500 --> 03:45:48,280
Secondly, council should determine its priorities for land use and address its top priorities

2231
03:45:48,980 --> 03:45:54,920
first. Thirdly, perhaps friends could come back with an alternative

2232
03:45:54,920 --> 03:46:02,980
that they haven't discovered quite yet to transition off of city land, perhaps as an option,

2233
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:12,040
or a short term solution of perhaps the city could give the friends a shorter term lease of

2234
03:46:12,040 --> 03:46:19,140
six months to a year until an option for friends to move off the city lands can be developed.

2235
03:46:19,140 --> 03:46:25,300
But the long-term benefit of friends should not be underestimated.

2236
03:46:25,640 --> 03:46:32,060
They bring tremendous value, and it's just ought to be, as someone mentioned, a quick

2237
03:46:32,060 --> 03:46:38,420
pro quo that both benefit, and I believe Council needs to do diligence before committing

2238
03:46:38,420 --> 03:46:39,740
to a long-term plan.

2239
03:46:40,080 --> 03:46:41,320
Thank you so much.

2240
03:46:42,100 --> 03:46:42,920
Thank you, Scott.

2241
03:46:46,080 --> 03:46:48,480
Our next speaker is Janine Valladaz.

2242
03:46:49,700 --> 03:46:55,780
Good evening. Thank you. I'm sure you'll tell me if you can't hear me. I understand

2243
03:46:55,780 --> 03:47:01,340
value of friends at the friends of the library present to both the library and the city.

2244
03:47:01,600 --> 03:47:06,200
I myself am a bibliophile and I have thousands of books here in my home and I have many

2245
03:47:06,200 --> 03:47:13,300
friends that I recommend go to the library and take advantage of its resources. I believe that

2246
03:47:13,300 --> 03:47:19,720
libraries increase the social equity in their communities as services are offered for free

2247
03:47:19,720 --> 03:47:24,700
and they are welcome open spaces for people of all types to comment and joy and learn

2248
03:47:25,400 --> 03:47:31,300
and even just seek respite. I have no issue with the friends of the library but I do have

2249
03:47:31,300 --> 03:47:36,640
issue with its sighting and its operational dependence on physical location. I think the city should

2250
03:47:36,640 --> 03:47:42,240
support the FRL to have a collection and storefront downtown and establish an online sales mechanism

2251
03:47:42,240 --> 03:47:45,140
to disconnect location from income production.

2252
03:47:46,280 --> 03:47:49,660
Moving downtown with significantly increased market

2253
03:47:49,900 --> 03:47:53,580
and walk-in share and deposit of books

2254
03:47:53,840 --> 03:47:57,600
and also online sales would also dramatically increase

2255
03:47:57,600 --> 03:47:59,360
market share and exposure

2256
03:47:59,840 --> 03:48:03,060
and then allow that disconnection I mentioned

2257
03:48:03,060 --> 03:48:04,960
between income and location.

2258
03:48:05,640 --> 03:48:07,600
I'm confident the overall supporters

2259
03:48:07,800 --> 03:48:10,300
which I hope to become will find

2260
03:48:10,300 --> 03:48:14,260
You know, we'll be able to fund any transport of books from points A to B.

2261
03:48:14,940 --> 03:48:18,720
The current location needs to be part of our open space or at the very least,

2262
03:48:18,960 --> 03:48:25,920
our historical heritage through the use of the museum and or use to revert to native or

2263
03:48:25,920 --> 03:48:31,840
orchard space. I'm in favor of the FOL, I just think they need to disconnect their operations

2264
03:48:31,840 --> 03:48:37,500
from that location. And I would be happy to help them do that fund-wise. Thank you.

2265
03:48:38,720 --> 03:48:47,020
Thank you, Jeanine, City Clerk, where we're able to come back to with Suzanne Epstein.

2266
03:48:48,780 --> 03:48:59,000
No, I still have her listed, I still have her listed as an attendee, and I've tried to promote her several times to a panelist, but that's all I can do for my end.

2267
03:48:59,760 --> 03:49:03,040
Okay, and I know Suzanne knows how to reach us.

2268
03:49:03,040 --> 03:49:08,340
So she's not able to call in if she would like to send her comments via email.

2269
03:49:08,560 --> 03:49:12,340
It's public comments at LaSaltosCA.gov.

2270
03:49:14,340 --> 03:49:15,040
Thank you.

2271
03:49:15,040 --> 03:49:16,700
I don't see any other hands raised.

2272
03:49:16,900 --> 03:49:18,160
Is that correct, City Clerk?

2273
03:49:18,420 --> 03:49:19,020
That's correct.

2274
03:49:19,680 --> 03:49:20,260
Thank you.

2275
03:49:20,320 --> 03:49:24,220
So let's bring it back to council for discussion.

2276
03:49:25,200 --> 03:49:32,120
And Mr. England and Mr. Hernandez laid it out really well at the beginning where, you know,

2277
03:49:32,120 --> 03:49:34,300
They mentioned what brought us here.

2278
03:49:34,540 --> 03:49:36,280
And three of the five of us were actually

2279
03:49:36,280 --> 03:49:40,020
on council in January, 28, 2020.

2280
03:49:40,800 --> 03:49:43,500
When we all supported it was a five-zero vote,

2281
03:49:43,640 --> 03:49:46,740
I actually rewatch that council meeting today,

2282
03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:48,640
and watch that discussion.

2283
03:49:49,760 --> 03:49:54,540
And so for me, it's a lot of the things that are being raised.

2284
03:49:54,840 --> 03:49:56,900
We discussed, deliberate, and actually

2285
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made some decisions back in January.

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Thanks for watching, and don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to our channel.

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2020. But we have a license agreement with some different terms and it's a new council.

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And so, you know, we could, we could just make a motion right now to again have the city manager and staff work with the friends to negotiate a agreement similar to what we did in January 2020 with these new terms.

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And I'm ready to make that motion, but I will allow for discussion because I'm sure my colleagues want to discuss this.

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But I will look for raise hands so that we can start the discussion.

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And again, as Mr. England said, you know, the first policy question and that's what we're tasked with doing as a city council is to make policy decisions.

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is whether or not, you know, we support the use of this public space.

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We support the friends of the library using this public space for their operations.

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And so with that, let me see if there are any hands raised to start us off in addressing that policy question.

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So we're not looking at the terms of the agreement.

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Let's first figure out if there's enough support

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to continue having the friends on our civic site.

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And so, council number minutes.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So, I should say I am the council liaison

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to the Library Commission,

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and I also sit on the North County Library Authority

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along with you, Madam Mayor and others.

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And as I mentioned earlier,

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I did speak with Catherine. I spoken to quite a few people about this. Back to the policy question,

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in my mind there was another policy question. I wanted to throw into the mix and gave

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this probably going, oh no, but, but in my mind,

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there's the policy question I'm asking myself,

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And I think there's a real community benefit to this is does the council wish to provide space to the friends of the library at one of our two libraries in town.

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So this policy question has outlined in the staff report is very specific to this location.

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And we've heard a number of different options brought up by different speakers.

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We do have two libraries in town.

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So, to me, I had some concerns about the specific government location.

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We know that some of our priorities around the Emergency Operations Center and a new police center.

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And my question clarifying about whether all three structures are considered in this license agreement

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and staff confirmed that they are, so I really think that perhaps we could discuss do we,

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the city want to continue our 40 year partnership with friends and potentially do that on

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one of our two library sites in town. So I'm just going to throw that out there. To me,

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I think that would be something potentially worth exploring

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and gave Ken jump in and tell me that wasn't the question

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that he wanted to ask.

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Councillor Meadows, I think that's a totally appropriate

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policy question for council.

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So it's all under the per view of council.

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This side of our government side is fine.

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Your muted mayor.

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I realized, thank you.

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So thank you for that council member meadows let's let's continue going through and and you know now you know we're considering these different policy questions before us by sneer in ander

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all the firm of Mr. Weinberg please.

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Okay, council member Weinberg.

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I think that's the first time the vice mayor is the first.

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For the most part, I think I agree with what council member meadows said.

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I think that it is, personally, I think that it is absolutely appropriate for the city to allocate space to friends of the library.

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But it is fair to ask is, this is the space that is most appropriate for friends of the library.

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I think there are some things that we should probably put out on the table.

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This may be a 10 year lease, but I think the reality is is that if we enter into that lease but like if we enter into this

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I believe this was permanent. There's no guarantee that there's going to be a new library or a renovated library within 10 years. And even if there is, it's going to be expensive to build. And there's going to be a lot of competition for that space.

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Traditional library services, community rooms, something is going to have to give us some point because we're not going to have a blank check here.

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And someone's going to say, friends of the library already has a facility so they don't need to be in the library.

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I think that's that's pretty easy to foresee coming up.

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One of the public commenters who need Validas brought up the idea of having a storefront downtown and selling online.

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And it's my understanding that the friends of the library is already starting to do that.

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I mean, maybe the stake, but I think that they are doing that.

2344
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Yeah, and I am hopeful that that's going to start generating a lot of money for that.

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It was kind of a long-winded way of me saying I'm concerned about having a portable

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at that location for not 10 years, but 30 to 50 years.

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I believe that the wooden library would be a better solution. I think that there actually is a

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lot of space there. I think that there's a lot of opportunity there. The one thing that the

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and Catherine and I discussed this is a large covered facility for them to have a bookstale

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in case there is increment weather, and then I have a bookstale that's going to be outside.

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But I talked about this with a former council member and she wound up the idea of

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looking to close off grant frontage road or when laying of it, you get a food trucks out there,

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people could come to the friends of library, sales and events, and they wouldn't be competing with

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restaurant downtown. I mean, it really could, it could revitalize with a library to an extent.

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And, and because friends of the library, I think is going to start making a lot more money

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to online sales and their retail sales. My suspicion is that it could work. I, I do believe I

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am committed to finding a space for friends of the library on city land. What I would like to see is

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giving within the tribe for a year or two.

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And if it doesn't work, let's see why it's not working.

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But what's we enter into a 10 year license

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for this particular spot?

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I think that's it there.

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They're there unless the future council wants to kick them out.

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Thank you, council member Weinberg.

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You're up Vice Mayor Eander.

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I wish you a green, different fact.

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That's the first time I've deferred

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to council member Weinberg.

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I actually don't think that's true,

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But if it is, I'm really sorry, Jonathan, that because, but I, but I'm thrilled that I did

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because I find myself substantially agreeing with what you said and with, with Council member

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Meadows said, first of all, I do want to disclose I did talk with Catherine and I want to

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thank Catherine and everyone involved with friends in the library that's brought us here

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night, because you've been very transparent in your information, in your processes, in your

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thought processes, in your financial situation, in how you want to do business and how you plan

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to do business. And I think that's also partly reflected in the recognition that if you're

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effectiveness comes in versus leasing that the intelligence of making a 10-year commitment,

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if you're going to buy or the need to make a 10-year commitment, if you're going to buy a

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portable. So I think you know, a lot of the business aspects of this, I understand,

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but the question that comes to us from that is, what's the right way for the city to support the

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friends? There's a long tradition, as you pointed out, in a relationship between the city and friends.

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But I also think that much of what Ms. Valid has said,

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what Mr. Spielman said, what some of the people who wrote to us

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said is, and what the city manager laid out for us is a policy

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question.

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Should we commit space in that location for that long

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without having a policy for how we determine what well-intentioned

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successful and helpful parts of our community that are non-profits want when they want a piece

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of our land and if they do, you know, how do we decide that and then how do we decide where they should

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be? I don't want to hold up a decision.

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While we pursue that better solution, that bigger question, that bigger policy question is going to take a lot of thought, I think, because there are a number of non-profits that would very much love to occupy some of our city land without cost, without paying for the space.

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But I do want to support what I think is maybe a developing consensus as articulated by my two colleagues who spoke previously that we ought to look at the two libraries and say, what makes sense.

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We got to look at the operations say, you know,

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is warehousing books on our most sparse

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and important city civic center land

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really the right thing to do.

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And I do have to agree that there's a very good possibility

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that wherever for this land,

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it's gonna be there for more than 10 years.

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And I'm very worried that I'm not prepared to night

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to say that we should execute a 10 year license for that space with the document presented

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in front of us, given the uncertainties and that the future needs that I know are developing

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for how we use our civic center space.

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So I would like to see a tackle the policy question that my colleague, Sally Meadows,

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positive, which is, do we want to provide space and if, if we do, is it space that woodland?

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Is it space that, um, the main library, city, city, the Civic Center somewhere, and perhaps do as, as Mr.

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Windberg brought up, you know, do we want to see this, or, or is it really necessary that the entire

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operation off, take that space. How are some other ways maybe to separate kind of the sorting and warehousing maybe happens one place and on the sales and all that and it might be a better space.

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So, I'll stop my comments there.

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Thanks, Vice Mayor.

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Councilmember Lee Ang.

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Thank you for the comments from my fellow from Vice Mayor and my fellow council members.

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I totally agree that it's a policy question.

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We all agree, you're support to the library

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and the community is cannot be measured.

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And we really value that.

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And by deciding even if we continue to support you

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with city land, we want to support you.

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And the investment you would make,

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you could have a double-wide at Woodland.

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You could have, we could assist in providing more parking there because you have the space to provide more parking.

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So identifying the concern about the lack of parking there, there is space for that as well.

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There is, I love the idea where Councilmember Weinberg said that they could close off the streets,

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And you know, we could have events there from on the library and I think that is a great idea.

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I think it's important to understand and for the public to understand.

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The council is not in a position to do quid pro quotes.

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So when someone made that comment earlier, I think it was a library commission member that was speaking as a resident,

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we do not do quit pro course. So we want to make that clear. But what we want to do is support

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that friends of the library in some way. What is important for me is as you raise that policy question.

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I did have some concerns with the location that it was currently. And also we had

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this valid is, who's a park commissioner that also

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organized that park space is important.

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And so that it is important for us to help you understand.

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We're not kicking you off.

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We're not in a rush to do so.

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We would take the time to help and support you if we

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decide that there is a more transition needed.

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But my concern in keeping it at this location was all the things that we would need to

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space for as identified from my fellow council members regarding EOC, if there was an

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emergency, I think that such as in November, this.

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We had their community center burned down. They needed their space. And I didn't want our space to be tied up for 10 years. But it would have allowed us if any emergency would occur. Of course, we don't want it to occur. But if we wanted locate the services at its, you know, civic center site that we deemed valuable, we would like to keep it there. And we would not like to be limited.

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And I think right now, it's very limiting by having a 10-year contract.

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So I really think that it's important for us to take the time to create policy, to take

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the time to do what we need to do in having that overlay reviewed by the council.

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We don't even know if that is parkland or public and institutional land.

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04:05:52,020 --> 04:05:56,860
If it's park land, we need to determine a policy on park land.

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If it's public institution, we'll need to determine if it's public institution on how we treat them.

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So I think it's important for us to really talk about, you know,

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consideration of wouldn't as my fellow council member stated.

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So I think we can have that discussion now, or if it's pretty clear to everybody.

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Thank you. Thank you, Kazuma really. So I'll go next. And I'll, you know, see what others have said, you know, thank the friends, thank Catherine. I agree with what the vice mayor said about the transparency of the friends have always been very candid and transparent and it's much appreciated. And thanks to staff. I know they've been working with the friends for many months to bring this to us. I really appreciate all the work that went into this.

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I will start out by saying, you know, I appreciate how Council Member Meadows has reframed the policy

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question or has added a second policy question and, you know, have listened into what my colleagues

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have said and response to it. And before I actually go there, I want to start out by saying coming

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into the meeting, having served on council a couple years, being part of the January 2020 council

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that made the decision and gave direction to staff at the time. We had already considered or heard

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from the friends, how much work and consideration went into woodland and all the other sites.

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And at the time, five zero vote, we still supported them remaining on the civic site. And so I do

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not know if anything has changed since January 2020, where woodland is more feasible this time around,

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there are other considerations that we're not considered the last time. But coming into this meeting,

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I was not aware of any changes to the circumstances that would make the Woodland Library

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04:07:57,780 --> 04:08:06,180
location feasible this time around, but I'm not opposed to it. So my inclination is actually to

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support the friends staying on the civic center site. That's where they have their operations currently

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established, that's what this licensed agreement considers, and I do want to touch on the

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unique relationship that we do have with the friends of the library. That distinguishes it

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from any other nonprofit that anyone can envision coming forward. Friends, the group has been

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on our civic site for decades, right? What they're really doing now is changing location from

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that one room in our old community center

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to these portables.

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And so because of that unique relationship,

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I think that is an easy way to distinguish friends

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from the other potential non-profits.

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Another thing in councilmember Medis touched on this

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is the community benefit.

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It is undeniable that the friends of the library

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provide a community benefit to our residents

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and that's something we can consider in this decision.

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And I think I heard from everybody

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that we're all in agreement on that point, with regards to adopting a policy, I'm not a post

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of that, but similar to what I think the Vice Mayor said, I do not plan to delay the

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smooths. I know I'd get how long it would take to develop such a policy and we all know

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how that process works here. And so the friends obviously need direction and a decision made

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so that they can expend their funds and make some operational decisions.

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And so I am fine supporting the friends staying on the civic site even without an adopted

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policy. Because I think if we were even to adopt a policy with any such policy, they're always

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exceptions to those policies. And I can already see friends checking a lot of those exceptions. Community

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become a bit long-term relationship.

2488
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:29,680
All the things that are normally considered when you do exceptions to policies. So in my mind, I'm definitely ready to support the friends remaining on the civic site. Now having said that and hearing from my colleagues who appear to be leaning toward woodland or would like the friends to explore the woodland option, what I would like to put on the table, then we did this in January 2020, is really to delegate the soft authority.

2489
04:10:30,000 --> 04:10:35,240
to our city manager and staff to work with the friends to look at both locations

2490
04:10:36,000 --> 04:10:42,340
and determine which of the two location really works better for the city and the friends of the

2491
04:10:42,340 --> 04:10:49,540
library. So if the determination is made by staff and the friends that woodland works and it sounds like

2492
04:10:49,540 --> 04:10:57,180
the preference is woodland. So if woodland works then that's where we would co-locate the friends.

2493
04:10:57,180 --> 04:11:06,600
But if it doesn't work for the reasons we heard two years ago, then, you know, it sounds as if there would be support to co-locate the friends at the Civic Center.

2494
04:11:07,180 --> 04:11:11,320
So I am ready, I don't see it, you know, we can do another round of discussion.

2495
04:11:12,140 --> 04:11:21,220
But I think I could make a motion where we do a very similar to what we did in January 2020, where we give these criteria.

2496
04:11:21,220 --> 04:11:39,880
And then have staff really, because I think a lot of the things we're raised, we can't decide tonight if it's wood, because I remember there were reasons why it was prohibitive or at the time they thought it was prohibitive and to place it at woodland, it may require expanding additional funds to really make it work.

2497
04:11:39,880 --> 04:11:49,780
And I'm sure the Library Commission would also like to weigh in on such a decision because I used to be the liaison to the Library Commission and they had plans for a Woodland Library.

2498
04:11:50,520 --> 04:11:55,900
So I think there are so many things that need to be fleshed out right now that we don't have that information.

2499
04:11:55,900 --> 04:12:01,760
But I think we trust our city manager and staff to work with friends to say,

2500
04:12:01,760 --> 04:12:05,540
majority are more of us support a co-location with one of our libraries.

2501
04:12:07,200 --> 04:12:11,140
The ideal location or the proper location is woodland.

2502
04:12:11,800 --> 04:12:15,720
But if, whatever reason, it doesn't pan out,

2503
04:12:16,340 --> 04:12:21,840
then we also support going back to the civic site within certain parameters.

2504
04:12:21,840 --> 04:12:28,760
I'm going to stop there. I see the vice mayor. The city manager has his handrails and vice

2505
04:12:28,760 --> 04:12:35,580
mayor's. I want to go to him. Go ahead. I'm saying. Thank you, Mayor. I think staff has direction. I don't

2506
04:12:35,580 --> 04:12:41,640
know that we actually need a motion tonight. The January 2020 direction would still hold and we

2507
04:12:41,640 --> 04:12:48,480
could do exploration with the refined direction for only the civic center site as well as woodland.

2508
04:12:48,480 --> 04:12:52,460
and then determine if we need to come back to council at that point.

2509
04:12:53,140 --> 04:12:58,080
But I think we have direction and I'm comfortable moving forward with the friends.

2510
04:12:59,460 --> 04:13:03,920
Thank you, Mr. England. Now I see the city of authority has our

2511
04:13:03,920 --> 04:13:06,560
race. Go ahead, Jolly.

2512
04:13:07,960 --> 04:13:15,180
I'm just so what are we going to do with the existing race? Are we going to enter into a new

2513
04:13:15,180 --> 04:13:18,040
are we going to enter into a short term license?

2514
04:13:18,600 --> 04:13:19,800
What is the agreement?

2515
04:13:19,940 --> 04:13:22,420
What is the mechanism for this direction?

2516
04:13:23,100 --> 04:13:23,780
Great question.

2517
04:13:24,560 --> 04:13:24,780
Go ahead.

2518
04:13:25,340 --> 04:13:29,840
The January 2020 direction allowed the city manager to execute

2519
04:13:30,740 --> 04:13:35,820
an agreement with a revocable end date by either party

2520
04:13:36,140 --> 04:13:38,560
as long as operations state substantially similar.

2521
04:13:39,400 --> 04:13:42,960
So I would essentially be saying the operations today

2522
04:13:42,960 --> 04:13:58,760
would be in place until we've made a determination if Woodland is feasible, and if not, then we would come back to council for this decision with it sounds like a policy for when we would accept nonprofit use on the Civic Center site.

2523
04:13:58,760 --> 04:14:28,740
And if I could just add to that, Mr. England, you know, and I'd defer again, we're saying we delegate this authority to staff to work with the city attorney, to address the existing October 2019 lease agreement, because that happened, and I know it comes to remember, Meadows knows this timeline well, that happened before a discussion in 2020 and the whole, the goal was to have an agreement based on the January 2020 direction that supersedes

2524
04:14:29,720 --> 04:14:35,560
the October, but it hasn't happened yet, and so we need to make sure you work with the

2525
04:14:35,560 --> 04:14:40,940
city attorneys, and there's no gap in legal contractual coverage.

2526
04:14:40,960 --> 04:14:44,160
Yeah, absolutely not. We'll work with the city attorney and defer to her.

2527
04:14:45,660 --> 04:14:52,740
Okay, Vice Mayor Enaider. I'm going to let my call other colleagues go at least Johnson. He was

2528
04:14:52,740 --> 04:14:54,440
He was quick on the draw.

2529
04:14:54,960 --> 04:14:56,360
She's got her role tonight.

2530
04:14:56,820 --> 04:14:58,720
I've got some of her wide bird go ahead.

2531
04:14:59,360 --> 04:14:59,980
No, I was going to-

2532
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:05,980
I'm going to bring up the issue that we have an expiring list, but that's been addressed. Thank you, Vice Mayor.

2533
04:15:08,420 --> 04:15:18,860
I'm going to say, I'm not convinced the lease is expiring, because if you read the whole sentence, it says,

2534
04:15:18,860 --> 04:15:26,360
I'll continue until completion of the community center and to set such completion of tenant is still an occupancy.

2535
04:15:27,260 --> 04:15:33,560
So, but I'll leave that to you guys. That's just a detail, but there is a least inspiring.

2536
04:15:33,880 --> 04:15:38,740
But it's on the current portable, but that's a little bit further down the road.

2537
04:15:38,740 --> 04:15:43,860
So anyway, but what I wanted to point out is something else

2538
04:15:43,860 --> 04:15:46,360
that has potentially changed since 2020

2539
04:15:46,360 --> 04:15:50,900
is our considerations for the Civic Center,

2540
04:15:51,180 --> 04:15:53,920
in other words, the pressing need

2541
04:15:54,740 --> 04:15:59,960
for USC police station, and what, you know,

2542
04:16:00,040 --> 04:16:03,100
how much space we need for even small construction there,

2543
04:16:03,140 --> 04:16:05,420
we need to move things around and, you know,

2544
04:16:05,420 --> 04:16:15,080
So our need for where the two sheds in particular are is potentially different than it was when you discussed it in 2020.

2545
04:16:16,180 --> 04:16:16,920
No, I agree.

2546
04:16:17,140 --> 04:16:17,740
It comes from ouramedos.

2547
04:16:17,900 --> 04:16:26,720
And those are considerations that Mr. England would need to factor in when he's having these discussions and doing the analysis.

2548
04:16:27,960 --> 04:16:29,700
Okay, Vice Mayor Enander.

2549
04:16:32,180 --> 04:16:38,100
Mayor, I'm not sure that I'm quite comfortable with your general framework as you outline.

2550
04:16:39,320 --> 04:16:40,600
My concerns are too fold.

2551
04:16:40,840 --> 04:16:50,360
One is that we would be placing a burden on staff to do something that actually is a policy issue that we need to own.

2552
04:16:50,960 --> 04:16:56,060
And that I think we should continue to be a part of in the discussion partly because of things like

2553
04:16:56,820 --> 04:17:02,160
what has changed since a year and a half ago.

2554
04:17:03,000 --> 04:17:07,060
And the other is that I'm not sure that I'm comfortable saying,

2555
04:17:09,000 --> 04:17:11,640
we want to support the friends,

2556
04:17:11,940 --> 04:17:14,600
according to whatever criteria they want to impose.

2557
04:17:15,120 --> 04:17:17,540
And that's what basically you would be saying is

2558
04:17:17,540 --> 04:17:19,480
if they don't find woodland acceptable,

2559
04:17:20,160 --> 04:17:24,580
then we'll guarantee them to come back to the current site.

2560
04:17:24,580 --> 04:17:36,720
And I'm not prepared to give that authority to the staff and to, and that, that leverage quite frankly to the friends, I'm just not quite comfortable with that.

2561
04:17:36,840 --> 04:17:54,140
And so I don't know whether we ought to ask one or more council members to participate with staff in really developing, you know, kind of criteria and concerns and issues and policy, you know, kind of work on some policy issues.

2562
04:17:55,700 --> 04:18:11,760
before we take, essentially to me what we ought to do is develop something and take an offer to the friends and say this is what we can offer you and then give them the opportunity to take advantage of the offer whatever that might be or not.

2563
04:18:13,100 --> 04:18:17,400
The Vice Mayor, let me respond since you're responding to the proposed framework I put forward.

2564
04:18:18,500 --> 04:18:23,460
You know, I think there is, if I heard correctly, at least majority of us who support

2565
04:18:23,460 --> 04:18:32,060
the friends co-locating with one of our library locations, and the preference appears to be

2566
04:18:32,580 --> 04:18:41,260
for woodland. And so the direction to staff would be to work with the friends to

2567
04:18:41,260 --> 04:18:44,180
So co-locate them on our Woodland library location.

2568
04:18:44,380 --> 04:18:50,860
And I do want to clarify, in no way was I suggesting that somehow the staff should just

2569
04:18:50,860 --> 04:18:54,480
accept whatever criteria or reason the friends put forward.

2570
04:18:55,140 --> 04:18:57,360
In any negotiation, it's a back and forth.

2571
04:18:57,620 --> 04:19:03,260
And so if the friends, for example, said, oh, we can't do Woodland because of XYZ, I don't

2572
04:19:03,260 --> 04:19:07,100
expect or staff to take that on face value and just say, okay, you're right.

2573
04:19:07,100 --> 04:19:13,000
I mean, it is definitely an independent analysis and determination that our staff would need

2574
04:19:13,000 --> 04:19:19,760
to make to really conclude that the woodland location, which appears to be the preferable location

2575
04:19:19,760 --> 04:19:27,680
of the two, really doesn't work for us to come back to the Civic Center. And I do think that's part

2576
04:19:27,680 --> 04:19:35,680
of the analysis that they would do. So it would be directing and it's not giving them or authority.

2577
04:19:35,680 --> 04:19:38,700
I mean, we did something very similar in January 2020.

2578
04:19:39,460 --> 04:19:43,060
It's within the parameters of what we've already talked about

2579
04:19:43,060 --> 04:19:47,340
is in the license agreement, it's either woodland

2580
04:19:47,340 --> 04:19:50,160
or the civic center and having them work with the friends

2581
04:19:50,160 --> 04:19:51,960
to co-locate them with a library.

2582
04:19:52,720 --> 04:19:54,760
And that's what it would be.

2583
04:19:55,520 --> 04:19:59,960
So I think that is the direction, this doesn't need to come.

2584
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:04,740
From back to us, I think this is something that staff can work with the friends on directly.

2585
04:20:05,340 --> 04:20:13,920
Separately, your suggestion about how we move forward with developing a policy on leasing or licensing

2586
04:20:13,920 --> 04:20:18,820
or use of our public space by non-city entities.

2587
04:20:19,480 --> 04:20:24,940
You know, I would look to anything that's a separate question that you send my mind for the city attorney

2588
04:20:24,940 --> 04:20:31,820
and or city manager, because there are policies out there, you know, so we may not immediately need a

2589
04:20:31,820 --> 04:20:36,540
subcommittee, maybe they can work with on something and bring it back to us as a proposal for us to

2590
04:20:36,540 --> 04:20:42,320
consider. And I think, you know, those can be done in parallel. We don't have to wait for one to be

2591
04:20:42,320 --> 04:20:48,740
completed before we move on to the other. So I could support separately some direction to explore

2592
04:20:48,740 --> 04:20:52,060
a lease policy by non-city entities.

2593
04:20:52,360 --> 04:20:55,300
And what I'd find it clarified by the framework I had proposed.

2594
04:20:55,920 --> 04:21:00,080
Yeah, I think the thing that's different compared to 2020

2595
04:21:00,080 --> 04:21:02,280
is what Council Member Weinberg said.

2596
04:21:02,340 --> 04:21:05,120
And that is the greater probability

2597
04:21:05,120 --> 04:21:07,340
that whatever decision we make becomes

2598
04:21:07,340 --> 04:21:09,120
de facto a new permanent location.

2599
04:21:09,560 --> 04:21:13,020
And that is profoundly different, profoundly different

2600
04:21:13,020 --> 04:21:17,180
than the decision and the direction we gave in January 2020.

2601
04:21:17,180 --> 04:21:26,960
I mean, in January 2020, I watched it today, we all agreed that we wouldn't put a term on it, but on the other hand, we all acknowledge it would not be long term.

2602
04:21:27,420 --> 04:21:31,260
We expected it not to be. It was supposed to be like a medium transition trial.

2603
04:21:31,400 --> 04:21:34,620
But we didn't put a term on it. I remember we say five years ago, but let's not.

2604
04:21:35,260 --> 04:21:45,160
Yeah, the issue that came up, and I also went back and watched the whole thing again, because that we originally were going to say, okay, until a library is built,

2605
04:21:45,160 --> 04:21:51,460
until bus bar might became available and the comment from staff was that in either of those events

2606
04:21:51,460 --> 04:21:57,600
it would have to come back to council for a decision. So it wasn't necessary to put that kind

2607
04:21:57,600 --> 04:22:03,500
of forecasting as a part of the motion because it would all come back anyway. But certainly the

2608
04:22:03,500 --> 04:22:10,540
sense of council was not that this would be a long term quasi permanent kind of location and

2609
04:22:10,540 --> 04:22:18,560
I'm just, I'm just not ready to, to make a commitment to a long-time long term quasi-permanent

2610
04:22:18,560 --> 04:22:23,680
location at the Civic Center at this time.

2611
04:22:25,160 --> 04:22:32,640
And I'm comfortable if the woodland location is not feasible to support them co-locating for ten

2612
04:22:32,640 --> 04:22:34,440
years at the Civic site.

2613
04:22:34,620 --> 04:22:38,940
But I want to make sure I see the city attorney go ahead city attorney.

2614
04:22:40,860 --> 04:22:50,820
What I, and I'll let the city manager try and in here as well, I suggest that you make two, you don't have to do motions, you can just do direction.

2615
04:22:51,460 --> 04:23:01,300
Direction on what the city manager and the city attorney and staff are going to look into about the Woodland side, the Civic Center site and explore that.

2616
04:23:01,300 --> 04:23:10,600
And then the second direction would be to direct staff in the city manager, city attorney,

2617
04:23:10,960 --> 04:23:20,000
also then to look into exploring the policy and it would be a bigger broad range policy.

2618
04:23:20,260 --> 04:23:27,200
And I think I've summarized that I asked for Mr. England to try and in, but I think we should

2619
04:23:27,200 --> 04:23:34,480
to it in two steps. One is the first direction, and that follows upon the 2020 direction,

2620
04:23:34,620 --> 04:23:40,800
but it's clarifying that direction, and then to the second one about giving us direction

2621
04:23:40,800 --> 04:23:43,900
about a policy, and I'll let Mr. Dean.

2622
04:23:46,240 --> 04:23:52,740
Thank you, City Attorney. I think for the record, the clarification would be helpful. Those are

2623
04:23:52,740 --> 04:23:59,020
the two items I have as well. So I think just verbalizing that would be helpful.

2624
04:23:59,280 --> 04:24:09,880
As in case we have to come back and look at this later, but I do think we have direction based on the conversation that we've had.

2625
04:24:11,510 --> 04:24:14,010
Thank you. I'm council member Leanne.

2626
04:24:14,950 --> 04:24:26,950
I mean, council member members members go first, but she wanted to chime into what the vice mayor said, so I'll let it go first and then I'll respond after.

2627
04:24:26,950 --> 04:24:29,670
I love how we're all being so courteous tonight.

2628
04:24:29,890 --> 04:24:30,450
I'm always.

2629
04:24:31,310 --> 04:24:31,830
I've got some more more matters.

2630
04:24:31,990 --> 04:24:32,950
I didn't go ahead.

2631
04:24:33,790 --> 04:24:33,990
Okay.

2632
04:24:34,030 --> 04:24:34,950
Thank you.

2633
04:24:35,030 --> 04:24:35,470
Councilman.

2634
04:24:35,710 --> 04:24:36,070
We're laying.

2635
04:24:37,430 --> 04:24:44,730
So I just want to say that the one, the one clarification I want to make

2636
04:24:44,730 --> 04:24:50,570
the, to the framework that you outlined from my own thinking is

2637
04:24:51,450 --> 04:24:55,950
I still think if for whatever reason Woodland wasn't

2638
04:24:55,950 --> 04:24:59,750
feasible. I'm not sure.

2639
04:25:00,110 --> 04:25:21,730
We would still have to look at whether the civic center site is feasible, because I really have a hard time envisioning, even if it were a 10 year, how we're going to be able to do the construction with those sheds there.

2640
04:25:21,730 --> 04:25:39,130
So I did frame the policy question on around, you know, we have two libraries and we'd like to co-locate, but my preference for woodland if that is to work out with all the considerations and the plans potentially for woodland etc.

2641
04:25:40,390 --> 04:25:58,750
I still cannot say right now that I say and then therefore they should stay at the Civic Center because I think with those three structures and our plans I'm not sure that they're compatible and I would need more information

2642
04:25:58,750 --> 04:26:06,690
and telling us why we can do construction for an EOC and a police station with the two

2643
04:26:06,690 --> 04:26:08,450
sheds where they are.

2644
04:26:08,490 --> 04:26:13,310
And we already have to move the IT thing and whatever else, you know, things are already

2645
04:26:13,310 --> 04:26:14,110
going to move around.

2646
04:26:14,830 --> 04:26:19,990
So I'm not convinced that maybe Woodland is infusable, but I'm certainly not convinced that

2647
04:26:19,990 --> 04:26:23,170
the Civic Center is feasible as is either.

2648
04:26:23,230 --> 04:26:27,370
I also remember that I actually want to go to Mr. Hernandez and Mr. England on that question

2649
04:26:27,370 --> 04:26:34,710
because we all know that we are moving forward with an EOC building, right? That is not a

2650
04:26:34,710 --> 04:26:42,310
news. And that was current information when they still brought to us a 10-year license agreement.

2651
04:26:43,190 --> 04:26:51,810
So I assume they factored in the EOC operations and construction and whatever is associated with that,

2652
04:26:51,810 --> 04:26:55,990
taking place with these three structures there

2653
04:26:55,990 --> 04:26:58,450
because that's what they're bringing to us.

2654
04:26:58,690 --> 04:27:01,510
So I wanted go to them to see if they have any concerns,

2655
04:27:02,250 --> 04:27:05,810
because you know, with having the three structures there

2656
04:27:05,810 --> 04:27:09,210
for 10 years, which would overlap with the EOC construction,

2657
04:27:10,310 --> 04:27:12,170
taking place right next door.

2658
04:27:14,930 --> 04:27:19,150
So I guess I will let many correct me if I get this wrong.

2659
04:27:19,530 --> 04:27:20,750
So let's see how I do.

2660
04:27:20,750 --> 04:27:28,910
The current location in the portable as far as operations for public safety, the plan to build a

2661
04:27:28,910 --> 04:27:35,730
NeoC or a potential plan to rehab or rebuild the police building. Current location is not an

2662
04:27:35,730 --> 04:27:42,750
operational work for us. We would have more concern over the storage sheds that are located directly

2663
04:27:42,750 --> 04:27:50,370
adjacent to the public safety building now. Having said that the EOC construction could take place as

2664
04:27:50,370 --> 04:27:58,610
is one thing we haven't done the analysis on is if we get the facility study back and it shows

2665
04:27:58,610 --> 04:28:04,670
what we expect it will show, which is the police building needs a lot of work, then we may

2666
04:28:04,670 --> 04:28:09,930
be thinking differently about that area specifically in the larger campus generally.

2667
04:28:16,980 --> 04:28:23,600
So the consideration is already there, and there are obviously that on knowing about the facilities

2668
04:28:23,600 --> 04:28:29,740
update. But I just wanted to put it out there. This is something that they were proposing when

2669
04:28:29,740 --> 04:28:37,580
we already knew that there would be EOC construction taking place. So I want to go back to

2670
04:28:37,580 --> 04:28:42,600
council member Weinberg. I heard council member Meadows. I'm going to try to sum up what I'm hearing.

2671
04:28:42,940 --> 04:28:47,680
So council member, it sounds like there is many, or any member who's next up, was it,

2672
04:28:47,860 --> 04:28:52,580
didn't she defer to council member Meadows? Yes. Oh, you did. I'm sorry because your hand wasn't

2673
04:28:52,580 --> 04:28:54,760
if I didn't remember, go ahead, comes from a relay.

2674
04:28:55,420 --> 04:29:00,420
So I really am uncomfortable with just giving direction.

2675
04:29:02,260 --> 04:29:05,180
I would be more comfortable with having a motion.

2676
04:29:05,560 --> 04:29:08,740
I would be more comfortable with having some clearer timelines.

2677
04:29:10,360 --> 04:29:14,840
I am, and if so, I'd like to make a motion,

2678
04:29:15,420 --> 04:29:18,400
because I'm not comfortable with the framework

2679
04:29:18,400 --> 04:29:19,980
or the direction you're giving.

2680
04:29:19,980 --> 04:29:28,400
And from what I'm hearing from my fellow council members, I think it needs to have better exploration.

2681
04:29:29,160 --> 04:29:41,980
I like the idea about earlier the Vice Mayor provided some suggestion on perhaps having council members, guide the analysis of it.

2682
04:29:41,980 --> 04:29:55,940
And I think working with staff and having two council members look at this and providing some proposal going forward will be clearer.

2683
04:29:56,880 --> 04:29:59,740
So I'd be glad to make a motion.

2684
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:27,040
And if my fellow council members want to help frame the motion, they can, but my motion would be to have two members of the council work with staff in looking at the two light would in library and giving clear analysis of how we would make this happen.

2685
04:30:28,740 --> 04:30:33,420
If to be locate, friends of the library there.

2686
04:30:37,040 --> 04:30:39,280
Okay, so we have council member Lee Eng,

2687
04:30:40,140 --> 04:30:44,140
putting a motion to form a council subcommittee

2688
04:30:44,140 --> 04:30:49,440
to work with staff and friends to explore.

2689
04:30:50,640 --> 04:30:52,460
So I'm looking for a second.

2690
04:30:52,460 --> 04:30:55,360
I'm not going to second it and if there's no second,

2691
04:30:55,780 --> 04:30:59,140
I want to basically try to sum up what I'm hearing.

2692
04:30:59,980 --> 04:31:04,880
And before, and see if we can really get some consensus here.

2693
04:31:05,800 --> 04:31:07,760
So thanks for that, Cosmember Liang.

2694
04:31:07,860 --> 04:31:09,340
I don't see a second.

2695
04:31:09,900 --> 04:31:18,100
I had a question, did I, I didn't hear the council member say to include friends, but when

2696
04:31:18,100 --> 04:31:21,040
you, we stated it may or you included friends.

2697
04:31:21,280 --> 04:31:28,440
So I wanted to clarify from the council member whether she was suggesting that this working

2698
04:31:28,440 --> 04:31:37,040
group include friends or not. I motion did not include friends, so I'm not clear on the motion

2699
04:31:37,040 --> 04:31:43,000
and so who would what's the purpose of this group? The subcommittee would work with staff to

2700
04:31:43,000 --> 04:31:54,300
really see to analyze the location of Woodley Library to see how if you could locate a double

2701
04:31:54,300 --> 04:32:14,160
because they're, they're proposal tonight was to have a double wide portable and to see how we could look at possibly adding more parking space and to try to give a good proposal to friends of the library and work, you know, to do that.

2702
04:32:14,440 --> 04:32:18,040
So I'd like to propose that and that's my motion.

2703
04:32:19,240 --> 04:32:26,460
So we have a motion by Councilmember Lee Eng, and I won't try to reframe it in case I

2704
04:32:26,460 --> 04:32:26,660
are.

2705
04:32:26,920 --> 04:32:27,880
So we have the motion.

2706
04:32:28,080 --> 04:32:29,500
I think we all heard it.

2707
04:32:29,680 --> 04:32:32,280
Do we have a second for the motion?

2708
04:32:34,070 --> 04:32:39,470
I'll second it for purposes of discussion for their discussion and comments from my colleagues.

2709
04:32:40,410 --> 04:32:47,770
Thank you, Vice Mayor Ena and so we have a motion by Councilmember Lee Eng seconded by the

2710
04:32:47,770 --> 04:32:53,890
may or there's no additional discussion on this motion. I'm going to go to the, oh, I see

2711
04:32:53,890 --> 04:32:56,850
Council member, Council member Weinberg, I see you have your hand raised.

2712
04:32:58,490 --> 04:33:00,330
Thank you, Mayor, just for clarification.

2713
04:33:01,730 --> 04:33:07,470
If a member votes against the motion, is that supporting the original idea of having

2714
04:33:07,470 --> 04:33:08,890
staff explore the wooden library?

2715
04:33:09,750 --> 04:33:15,630
Yeah. We would still have to revisit what the direction is and what a new motion could look like.

2716
04:33:16,750 --> 04:33:17,270
Okay.

2717
04:33:19,320 --> 04:33:21,640
Oh, I see. So Miss Houston, go ahead.

2718
04:33:25,000 --> 04:33:33,840
I think you can give direction tonight, but I don't believe that I think a subcommittee will be something that you will have to make another.

2719
04:33:35,120 --> 04:33:44,540
At the end of the two directions that I recommended, then you direct this to come back to form a subcommittee, because clearly forming a subcommittee was not on the agenda.

2720
04:33:44,540 --> 04:33:49,980
So, I think we need to restrict that.

2721
04:33:50,400 --> 04:33:51,480
So, thanks for that, Mr. Houston.

2722
04:33:52,400 --> 04:33:53,940
So, Mr. England, go ahead.

2723
04:33:53,980 --> 04:33:57,260
I was going to try to sum up where we are, but go ahead, Mr. England.

2724
04:33:57,980 --> 04:33:59,700
Mayor, that's what I was going to train.

2725
04:34:00,120 --> 04:34:00,540
That's what I was going to train.

2726
04:34:00,540 --> 04:34:03,560
The council has three options before it tonight.

2727
04:34:03,860 --> 04:34:07,200
It can vote to enter into or reject it in your lease.

2728
04:34:07,520 --> 04:34:12,940
It can give staff direction, narrowing the direction we had earlier,

2729
04:34:12,940 --> 04:34:19,760
a long looking at two sites, or it can give staff direction to bring this item back, including

2730
04:34:19,760 --> 04:34:24,960
the formation of subcommittee in two weeks. But we would actually be able to take a vote

2731
04:34:24,960 --> 04:34:29,220
on that first one, which is the item before it. So the discussion is fine. The direction is

2732
04:34:29,220 --> 04:34:34,420
fine and we're happy to come back in two weeks with anything council wants. Thank you, Mr. England.

2733
04:34:34,660 --> 04:34:41,920
It's three weeks because of that odd week. But yes. So let me try to tackle that second one based

2734
04:34:41,920 --> 04:34:44,880
what I've heard from majority or more of us.

2735
04:34:45,200 --> 04:34:48,720
So it sounds like we have majority of us in agreement

2736
04:34:48,720 --> 04:34:52,000
to direct staff, to work with the friends,

2737
04:34:52,520 --> 04:34:55,920
to explore the feasibility of co-locating them

2738
04:34:55,920 --> 04:34:58,060
at the Woodland Library location.

2739
04:34:59,060 --> 04:34:59,960
We're also direct.

2740
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:07,540
The city attorney, in particular, to look at the current lease agreement and see if if the

2741
04:35:07,540 --> 04:35:12,660
city manager needs to amend that to ensure we don't have a gap in contractual coverage.

2742
04:35:14,060 --> 04:35:20,560
The third piece, which it's where I am in the minority, but I want to make it clear for the record.

2743
04:35:20,960 --> 04:35:28,240
It doesn't appear as if we have majority support to have the fallback be the civic center in the

2744
04:35:28,240 --> 04:35:36,180
that woodland is not feasible. It sounds like council, if the determination is woodland is not feasible,

2745
04:35:36,960 --> 04:35:44,420
they want it to scale come back to us for us to hear more about locating it on the civic site.

2746
04:35:45,040 --> 04:35:50,480
How do I sum that up correctly? I see council member Meadows, I see council member Weinberg.

2747
04:35:51,460 --> 04:35:58,520
Because we're really angry. What part of what I said doesn't reflect what majority or more of us have talked about?

2748
04:35:58,820 --> 04:36:04,200
Well, I'm concerned about is when you say staff working with friends of the library.

2749
04:36:05,060 --> 04:36:17,760
That was my concern and that's why I wanted the subcommittee. Otherwise, if we're going to have staff working with friends of the library, then we should have staff working with members of the subcommittee of council as well.

2750
04:36:17,760 --> 04:36:21,900
We should include a sound council subcommittee.

2751
04:36:23,000 --> 04:36:26,680
So you'll recall, I'm not, I don't think there's a need for a subcommittee.

2752
04:36:26,800 --> 04:36:32,460
And you will recall, you are one of two subcommittee members who worked on this from months.

2753
04:36:32,720 --> 04:36:34,840
I am, and that's why I'm concerned.

2754
04:36:35,660 --> 04:36:42,040
And it's not for, and it's for the reasons Vice Mayor had alluded to earlier.

2755
04:36:42,040 --> 04:36:54,740
So my concern is either we have a staff analysis, come back, and it's not to work with friends, but to really analyze if it's possible.

2756
04:36:55,720 --> 04:36:58,940
I want to make sure it's a neutral analysis.

2757
04:37:00,760 --> 04:37:04,620
So I expect our city manager and staff would be able to provide a neutral analysis.

2758
04:37:04,620 --> 04:37:13,080
So I want to move this forward and the city attorney said we don't need a formal motion if we go with that number two option, which is to give direction.

2759
04:37:14,040 --> 04:37:25,060
So the first thing is, you know, voting on not approving the license agreement, so we can entertain a motion there, because it's clear from the discussion, there's no consensus for that.

2760
04:37:25,060 --> 04:37:30,540
Then the next thing is to have the direction that I just summed up, which I know at least two

2761
04:37:30,540 --> 04:37:36,900
council members agreed, and I'm happy to make that give that direction and repeat what I just said.

2762
04:37:39,280 --> 04:37:47,180
Sorry, can we have a motion on the table that we haven't voted on Councilmember Lee ang's motion was seconded by the vice mayor.

2763
04:37:47,200 --> 04:37:49,060
We haven't voted on that.

2764
04:37:49,400 --> 04:37:54,200
My interpretation of what the city attorney said is it basically the motion's not in order.

2765
04:37:54,200 --> 04:37:59,840
So that's okay. Because after Kazimim Burley and I want to make the record. So after

2766
04:37:59,840 --> 04:38:04,540
Kazimim Burley and made the motion and it was seconded by Vice Mayor Elander. I

2767
04:38:04,540 --> 04:38:09,560
opened it up for discussion and when I looked at the panelists list, I saw or city attorney

2768
04:38:09,560 --> 04:38:15,500
had our hand raised and that's when she outlined what we really need to be focused on tonight.

2769
04:38:16,580 --> 04:38:22,940
So with that, I will entertain a motion with regards to the license agreement.

2770
04:38:22,940 --> 04:38:31,880
But then really quickly, I had that discussion item, but that discussion item can come back.

2771
04:38:33,160 --> 04:38:41,200
So, we should have had that discussion, and then we can determine whether it should be coming back to a form of subcommittee.

2772
04:38:42,280 --> 04:38:43,780
So that could be another motion.

2773
04:38:44,960 --> 04:38:52,660
And that's the third piece if you remember what Mr. England said. You're correct. That would be the first is the motion on the license agreement.

2774
04:38:53,740 --> 04:39:06,200
The second is direction to staff and the third is whether or not there is support for them to come for us to form a subcommittee for that to come back.

2775
04:39:06,200 --> 04:39:16,320
So, let's start with the motion with regards to the life worth keeping, because I think number three should come before number two.

2776
04:39:18,060 --> 04:39:24,940
Okay, so, council member Leanne, why don't we go ahead and make the request for the future agenda item?

2777
04:39:24,940 --> 04:39:27,600
What's your motion on the subcommittee for it to come back?

2778
04:39:27,680 --> 04:39:30,920
Again, as the city attorney says, that has to come back to us.

2779
04:39:31,100 --> 04:39:31,480
Correct.

2780
04:39:31,480 --> 04:39:36,160
I would like to put a motion that we form accounts of subcommittee.

2781
04:39:36,820 --> 04:39:42,160
They work with staff as well as with if you're going to include friends with friends.

2782
04:39:42,880 --> 04:39:48,220
And that would, you know, come back or the motion is to form a subcommittee.

2783
04:39:48,980 --> 04:39:51,300
And that should come back in three weeks.

2784
04:39:53,420 --> 04:39:56,300
Wait, the attorney's trying to tell us say something.

2785
04:39:56,920 --> 04:39:59,980
What you should just give direction, just direction.

2786
04:40:11,940 --> 04:40:23,560
We'll bring it back and then you can, it will be on the agenda and we'll be able to have a full discussion on it with public input.

2787
04:40:23,560 --> 04:40:25,520
So thank you.

2788
04:40:25,780 --> 04:40:36,520
So let's be clear, though, city attorney, if this is a request for a future agenda item that does not require staff report, then yes, I think we have support from two council members.

2789
04:40:37,160 --> 04:40:44,220
If this is something that will require staff work, it requires three council members. So I want to go back to where we're going.

2790
04:40:44,220 --> 04:40:52,960
And I'm not getting, so starting out with the license agreement, is there a motion, council member Weinberg, I see your hand.

2791
04:40:54,020 --> 04:40:57,860
Mayor, I believe that we should table the question of the license agreement.

2792
04:40:58,300 --> 04:41:04,260
If we take a vote on it and it does not pass, but it turns out the council believes Woodland would not work.

2793
04:41:04,740 --> 04:41:09,420
We may need to have a motion to reconsider to reconsider the license agreement.

2794
04:41:09,420 --> 04:41:17,520
So we just table it for now. Then we don't have to go through that extra step layer. Assuming the license was not supported by image or we.

2795
04:41:18,340 --> 04:41:25,480
We can do it one of two ways, but go ahead. So I am comfortable table in it. We could vote on it now and you could always bring it back as a new item.

2796
04:41:25,920 --> 04:41:30,460
It doesn't stop it by voting on it saying no tonight just so you know.

2797
04:41:30,900 --> 04:41:36,520
But if we don't want to vote on it, we can just table it.

2798
04:41:36,520 --> 04:41:40,540
So what's the consensus by severe e-nander?

2799
04:41:41,680 --> 04:42:04,720
So I think what I would do is move to table the agreement and direct staff to execute whatever extension of the current agreement or a replacement document of similar terms.

2800
04:42:06,290 --> 04:42:31,910
So that there is no gap in a contractual agreement between the city and the friends to bridge the time between the October expiration of the existing enforce agreement and whatever action this council may choose to take in the future on a replacement longer term agreement.

2801
04:42:32,470 --> 04:42:37,970
So, you just collapse the motion with what we're going to make part of the direction, but I think it's fine.

2802
04:42:38,090 --> 04:42:42,570
I think with regards to extending the term of the existing lease, that was going to be part of the direction.

2803
04:42:42,970 --> 04:42:46,490
But it's fine. So, we have a motion by Vice Mayor Enander.

2804
04:42:46,970 --> 04:42:58,530
It's to move to table the current license agreement and then also give authority to the city manager to execute if necessary.

2805
04:42:58,530 --> 04:43:05,010
an extension to the current lease agreement or a bridge or a replacement if

2806
04:43:05,010 --> 04:43:10,430
if the city attorney wants a different agreement then that's fine too. Okay, so

2807
04:43:10,430 --> 04:43:16,530
that's the motion by the vice mayor. Council member Weinberg. I think we can do

2808
04:43:16,530 --> 04:43:22,110
all this just by direction but to the extent we can't ask the motion. Okay, so we

2809
04:43:22,110 --> 04:43:32,450
have the motion by the vice mayor, seconded by council member Weinberg, if there's no other discussion on this tabling, the license agreement,

2810
04:43:34,790 --> 04:43:36,710
and because I'm really and go ahead.

2811
04:43:36,710 --> 04:43:43,070
I'm concerned about this extension thing.

2812
04:43:43,410 --> 04:43:45,890
I just feel that when you do extensions,

2813
04:43:46,730 --> 04:43:48,310
and you're not clear about it,

2814
04:43:48,450 --> 04:43:51,910
it's going to come back and haunt us like it's doing right now.

2815
04:43:52,550 --> 04:43:57,450
And then you're going to and staff has an unfair interpretation.

2816
04:43:58,070 --> 04:44:04,030
Otherwise, we need to make it clearer on timelines or something

2817
04:44:04,030 --> 04:44:12,910
because we need, we need to have some clear guidance and guidelines. So otherwise, when you have

2818
04:44:12,910 --> 04:44:21,530
on least that expires, it goes month to month. The current agreement that we have, I think is substantial

2819
04:44:21,530 --> 04:44:33,530
and it's good enough and we can just let it continue on. But you know, it's not like you

2820
04:44:33,530 --> 04:44:41,310
amount. So I just am uncomfortable with this extension or bridge thing you're you're you're

2821
04:44:41,310 --> 04:44:49,690
you're proposing right now. I'd like to have this table like like like was suggested by council member

2822
04:44:49,690 --> 04:44:55,440
Weinberg and we can have we're going to continue to have the discussion when it comes back

2823
04:44:55,440 --> 04:44:59,740
at the next council meeting because we are providing direction.

2824
04:45:02,300 --> 04:45:15,300
So, because I'm really, I just want to clarify that the motion says if necessary, so if we're a city attorney looks at the lease and doesn't think that we need to do anything, then that's the direction.

2825
04:45:15,560 --> 04:45:21,240
So it's not mandating that she must store a city manager must do a separate bridge agreement or send the term.

2826
04:45:21,600 --> 04:45:30,060
It's looking at the current terms to see what if anything needs to happen so that we don't have a gap in contractual coverage which is something we don't want.

2827
04:45:30,060 --> 04:45:37,400
what the point is that if they do determine its necessary, we should provide clarity as to the term.

2828
04:45:39,340 --> 04:45:46,000
Okay, so I am comfortable with them. We have the motion. We have the motion seconded.

2829
04:45:46,080 --> 04:45:48,200
I'm going to go to the city clerk to court.

2830
04:45:49,860 --> 04:46:01,120
I'd like to put a friendly amendment to a very good and a bunch of additional ones.

2831
04:46:01,540 --> 04:46:02,940
You froze up, Lynette.

2832
04:46:06,010 --> 04:46:07,770
Can you hear me now?

2833
04:46:08,330 --> 04:46:08,730
Yes.

2834
04:46:09,990 --> 04:46:10,810
Can you hear me?

2835
04:46:11,810 --> 04:46:18,470
So the amendment would be it is necessary and you need to provide and it's needed.

2836
04:46:18,470 --> 04:46:20,830
then I extended one year.

2837
04:46:23,840 --> 04:46:27,200
So I'm not so I'm going to go back to the maker of the motion to see if

2838
04:46:27,940 --> 04:46:33,620
the maker of the motion wants to put a term on it. I know, or previous discussions, you don't want

2839
04:46:33,620 --> 04:46:38,400
to tie hands, but maker of the motion, do you want to amend your motion? There's a friendly proposal.

2840
04:46:39,120 --> 04:46:43,620
The city attorney keeps ultimately raising her hand and putting it down. I want to be sure if she

2841
04:46:43,620 --> 04:46:50,960
has anything to say that she says it before I react. Okay, I didn't go ahead. I didn't want to jump in,

2842
04:46:50,960 --> 04:46:58,000
But I just wanted to comment that, I mean, this was a lease, it should be a license,

2843
04:47:00,160 --> 04:47:20,940
there's no real holdover provisions. It's not like a landlord tenant. It's not like a residential lease. So we have a little bit more flexibility, but I think the direction to execute an extension of the current agreement or an agreement that we believe is necessary.

2844
04:47:20,960 --> 04:47:31,380
to cover this extension time, that should be sufficient direction, but so I just wanted to clarify,

2845
04:47:31,860 --> 04:47:37,360
you know, we'll look at it and if we need, we need some sort of extension and if what type

2846
04:47:37,360 --> 04:47:42,020
of agreement it will be, you know, I'll work with the city manager to do that.

2847
04:47:42,600 --> 04:47:49,420
And, okay, given that mayor, I'm comfortable taking a friendly amendment to make it not to exceed

2848
04:47:49,420 --> 04:47:52,720
August 31, 2022?

2849
04:47:55,470 --> 04:47:59,570
Whatever extension of the least term or bridge agreement that gets

2850
04:47:59,570 --> 04:47:59,890
budget.

2851
04:48:00,790 --> 04:48:01,130
Yep.

2852
04:48:01,750 --> 04:48:01,970
Okay.

2853
04:48:02,290 --> 04:48:04,550
So that's now the revised motion.

2854
04:48:04,810 --> 04:48:05,970
Seconder of the motion.

2855
04:48:06,230 --> 04:48:08,930
Do you accept that friendly amendment?

2856
04:48:12,340 --> 04:48:12,780
Sure.

2857
04:48:15,600 --> 04:48:21,980
So we have a motion by the vice mayor seconded by

2858
04:48:21,980 --> 04:48:26,180
How's the member Weinberg City Clerk? Can you please call the roll?

2859
04:48:27,080 --> 04:48:35,040
Sure. Councilmember Meadows? Yes. Councilmember Weinberg? Yes.

2860
04:48:37,420 --> 04:48:39,760
Councilmember Leying? Yes.

2861
04:48:40,960 --> 04:48:48,700
Vice-marrying, Andrew? Yes. And Mayor Flagger. Yes. Thank you. The motion pass is five to zero.

2862
04:48:48,700 --> 04:48:57,620
Thank you, Andrea. So that's regards to the license agreement and also ensuring there's no gap in contractual coverage.

2863
04:48:58,520 --> 04:49:13,900
So the next part of this discussion to close this item before midnight is to give direction, not a motion to the city attorney, the city manager and staff to work with the friends of the library.

2864
04:49:13,900 --> 04:49:21,700
to explore, co-locating the friends of the library at the Woodland Library location.

2865
04:49:23,320 --> 04:49:28,620
If the determination is made that that site is not feasible,

2866
04:49:30,500 --> 04:49:36,740
then the city will city staff will bring back this item to Council for further consideration

2867
04:49:36,740 --> 04:49:44,160
of co-locating the friends at the Civic Center site based on concerns that were raised during

2868
04:49:44,160 --> 04:49:51,420
tonight's meeting. We don't need a second. It's just direction. So unless someone wants to tweak

2869
04:49:51,420 --> 04:49:58,920
that direction and unless Mr. England tells me that direction isn't clear, that's all we need to

2870
04:50:01,840 --> 04:50:03,040
Mr. England?

2871
04:50:03,640 --> 04:50:05,080
We have direction, Mayor.

2872
04:50:05,500 --> 04:50:12,900
Thank you. Okay. So that's it on this item. I am going to close the item. It is.

2873
04:50:12,900 --> 04:50:14,000
All of those are handled.

2874
04:50:14,400 --> 04:50:15,680
Thank you, thank you.

2875
04:50:15,780 --> 04:50:17,560
Oh, go ahead, councilmember Lee Eng.

2876
04:50:17,960 --> 04:50:25,400
I still have that direction that it comes back at the next meeting for us to form a subcommittee as well for council subcommittee on this item.

2877
04:50:26,020 --> 04:50:30,320
So that we're going to have you cover under future agenda items tonight.

2878
04:50:30,320 --> 04:50:34,640
We can do it here or we can do it as part of our normal formal

2879
04:50:34,640 --> 04:50:38,320
I think it should be done here because it's for this agenda item

2880
04:50:39,880 --> 04:50:41,440
So what is your request?

2881
04:50:42,240 --> 04:50:50,560
That this come back so we can form a sub committee to further work with the direction that was given earlier

2882
04:50:51,740 --> 04:50:54,540
Okay, and does this require a staff work?

2883
04:50:54,860 --> 04:50:57,660
No, it doesn't. Okay, so with that

2884
04:50:57,660 --> 04:51:03,440
So with that, you only need one other council member to support you and I know council member met by

2885
04:51:03,440 --> 04:51:08,060
smair e-nander was willing to do so. Is that correct by smair?

2886
04:51:10,320 --> 04:51:13,940
Okay. So we have as a future agenda item

2887
04:51:13,940 --> 04:51:24,480
bringing back the formation of whether or not council wants to form a subcommittee regarding this

2888
04:51:24,480 --> 04:51:31,680
and I want to make sure that councilmember Lee and clearly articulate this subcommittee's role.

2889
04:51:31,960 --> 04:51:33,480
So could you go ahead?

2890
04:51:34,780 --> 04:51:42,240
The sub, I think the vice mayor articulated it earlier and I was, and she can help

2891
04:51:43,120 --> 04:51:46,900
when she stated it earlier if you could help.

2892
04:51:47,100 --> 04:51:51,340
We can provide that to the city clerk for purposes of the agenda.

2893
04:51:51,340 --> 04:51:53,520
But we need to do it on the public record.

2894
04:51:53,720 --> 04:51:54,960
It actually, you got to talk about it.

2895
04:51:55,220 --> 04:52:04,020
I think we did, and I'm not going to, I think it makes sense not to try and call it back out of my memory at this hour to be honest.

2896
04:52:04,680 --> 04:52:08,380
Okay, because a lot of different descriptions were made about this subcommittee.

2897
04:52:09,020 --> 04:52:12,580
And putting the staff report together, I know staff is going to need to know.

2898
04:52:12,880 --> 04:52:14,480
Is it a subbed effort?

2899
04:52:15,100 --> 04:52:15,180
Right.

2900
04:52:15,600 --> 04:52:17,360
Oh, there's no staff work.

2901
04:52:17,900 --> 04:52:26,360
There's no staff report. There's nothing all we have to do is make sure we've got the agenda item stated correctly and I'll then and we'll make sure that that happens.

2902
04:52:26,760 --> 04:52:34,680
Okay, there is anything. We'll put it there. But no, there's no staff report. No staff work on this future agenda item. Okay.

2903
04:52:36,040 --> 04:52:45,880
All right. So it is 1151. We're going to close this item before I do Mr. England and the other questions, clarifications on this item.

2904
04:52:46,920 --> 04:52:48,940
We're clear, Mayor. Thank you.

2905
04:52:49,140 --> 04:52:57,520
Thank you. Okay. So next we will have item number 12, which is our future city council meeting location.

2906
04:52:58,020 --> 04:53:00,440
And so I think Mr. Mayor, no deputy city manager.

2907
04:53:00,580 --> 04:53:02,740
I know we'll be presenting on this.

2908
04:53:05,900 --> 04:53:14,380
Good evening, Madam Mayor, members of the council. I actually don't have a presentation and don't have any additional information to provide beyond what is in the staff report.

2909
04:53:14,860 --> 04:53:17,080
So I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

2910
04:53:18,970 --> 04:53:47,510
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and just to highlight what I took from the staff report, it's really focusing on location. It's not getting into the other potential topics here, but it's really, you know, if you were to resume meetings in person, where is that council would we want to have those meetings and I think the two locations proposed are the new community center and the Lacey building. Is that correct?

2911
04:53:47,510 --> 04:53:53,410
Correct. Okay. So any questions for Mr. Magino? Just questions.

2912
04:53:55,930 --> 04:53:57,910
Okay. I see no panelist hands.

2913
04:53:58,490 --> 04:54:02,230
Try to be quick here because people will raise hands after I look over.

2914
04:54:03,650 --> 04:54:11,250
So seeing no hands, let's go to public comment. Do we have any members of the public who would like to comment on this item?

2915
04:54:12,630 --> 04:54:15,170
Yes, Madam Mayor, we have one Roberta.

2916
04:54:15,670 --> 04:54:20,330
Okay. So let's give and report a three minutes. Okay.

2917
04:54:22,590 --> 04:54:30,750
Hi. So obviously, we've used Lacey before. We don't none of us have seen the community center.

2918
04:54:31,550 --> 04:54:33,930
But I did want to make a comment that was made earlier.

2919
04:54:35,130 --> 04:54:39,830
And it's just a positive vaccine was approved as a permanent thing.

2920
04:54:39,830 --> 04:54:45,170
I heard all the news that it would make it a lot easier for cities or governments

2921
04:54:45,170 --> 04:54:58,150
or private companies to require proof of vaccine and I know I carry my proof of vaccine in my wallet and I would like to see to protect.

2922
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:07,600
People who have, you know, lower communities, seniors, members of the city council,

2923
04:55:09,880 --> 04:55:28,360
that they, that we require a proof of vaccination. I think it's really simple. Once somebody comes to the door, that they should be able to present their vaccination card. And I just think it's, you know, we've got a really good job many of them vaccinated, so it shouldn't be a hassle for anybody.

2924
04:55:28,360 --> 04:55:30,640
But I would like to see that happen.

2925
04:55:31,520 --> 04:55:33,520
I don't care which location it happens at,

2926
04:55:34,340 --> 04:55:38,380
but I would be more likely to come to a meeting

2927
04:55:38,380 --> 04:55:43,160
if I knew that vaccinations were checked

2928
04:55:44,520 --> 04:55:46,440
and that people were socially distance

2929
04:55:46,440 --> 04:55:48,620
and that people were wearing the masks indoors.

2930
04:55:50,220 --> 04:55:52,600
I think that's just good health policy.

2931
04:55:53,840 --> 04:55:54,340
Thank you.

2932
04:55:55,160 --> 04:55:56,040
Thanks, Roberta.

2933
04:55:57,060 --> 04:56:05,080
Okay, don't see any other hands raised, so let me bring it back to the panelists, I'm checking the virtual hands bear with me.

2934
04:56:06,740 --> 04:56:08,340
Calls number LEA.

2935
04:56:08,720 --> 04:56:10,200
I forgot to ask earlier.

2936
04:56:12,720 --> 04:56:20,120
Mr. Mayor, you know, we do have a new HEPA filter system in the new Community Center.

2937
04:56:20,600 --> 04:56:21,460
Is that correct?

2938
04:56:23,780 --> 04:56:29,260
I would have to defer to somebody who's more familiar with the construction of the building.

2939
04:56:30,340 --> 04:56:35,000
I don't know if Mr. Hernandez knows the answer to that question or if he's still on.

2940
04:56:36,600 --> 04:56:39,620
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I don't have that answer.

2941
04:56:40,100 --> 04:56:45,520
I don't have the final paperwork on the systems right now.

2942
04:56:46,380 --> 04:56:51,020
I would say that it's more likely we have one there than we have at one at Lacy.

2943
04:56:55,790 --> 04:57:02,730
Thank you. I still would like a I still like a follow-up to council to ensure that we have

2944
04:57:02,730 --> 04:57:07,550
have a filters. I don't have to get that answer to you. Thank you.

2945
04:57:07,630 --> 04:57:14,790
Okay, council member Weinberg. Thank you Mayor. I move that the council conducted future

2946
04:57:14,790 --> 04:57:18,230
in-person council meetings in the new community center.

2947
04:57:18,530 --> 04:57:22,390
I'm so excited. Motion here is city attorney. We may just need to give direction. Let me make

2948
04:57:22,390 --> 04:57:26,550
Sure, Councilmember Weinberg City Attorney, is there motion or is this just direction.

2949
04:57:29,520 --> 04:57:31,340
Are you there, Miss Houston or Mr. England?

2950
04:57:33,600 --> 04:57:36,260
Mayor, we would prefer a motion on this one.

2951
04:57:36,520 --> 04:57:39,060
Got it. Thank you. Go ahead, Councilmember Weinberg.

2952
04:57:40,980 --> 04:57:52,160
I moved that the Council conducted future in-person meetings in the new community center until such time that the Council chambers are constructed and ready to host meetings.

2953
04:57:53,040 --> 04:57:54,540
Thank you, so we have a motion.

2954
04:57:54,860 --> 04:57:56,820
Vice-meritina, do I see your virtual hand?

2955
04:57:56,980 --> 04:57:58,120
Is that to second the motion?

2956
04:57:58,560 --> 04:58:08,880
I will second the motion and ask that the staff collect information on the Eric

2957
04:58:08,880 --> 04:58:16,220
Change Rate and Hepafilter consistent with best practices as recommended by our County

2958
04:58:16,220 --> 04:58:35,060
health people and report that to the community as a way to help reassure people about the safety of holding the meetings there and that we require proof of vaccination for entrance to the meeting.

2959
04:58:35,060 --> 04:58:48,420
So, vice-meritiner, you collapse the second of a motion and then you, so I'm asking for the maker to accept the additional matters that I've added.

2960
04:58:49,500 --> 04:58:59,900
Okay, so thumbs up. So, friend, you're men and then accepted motion maker by smear your accepted as well as the seconder of the motion.

2961
04:58:59,900 --> 04:59:03,540
Can you have your virtual hand raised?

2962
04:59:03,940 --> 04:59:04,720
Is it from before?

2963
04:59:04,940 --> 04:59:06,060
Or do you have another comment?

2964
04:59:06,840 --> 04:59:06,860
No.

2965
04:59:07,180 --> 04:59:10,420
That my question is now to the city of attorney.

2966
04:59:11,260 --> 04:59:18,040
About how we can mandate this and making sure that we can do so.

2967
04:59:18,840 --> 04:59:21,940
So if I could get clarification on that,

2968
04:59:21,940 --> 04:59:23,050
Greatly appreciate it.

2969
04:59:23,620 --> 04:59:25,900
Because I know for a fact that.

2970
04:59:25,900 --> 04:59:35,180
In another state today, they're getting sued on their mandate to require vaccination.

2971
04:59:35,800 --> 04:59:37,640
So I just want to make sure we're covered.

2972
04:59:38,160 --> 04:59:40,040
So we have to separate, I know.

2973
04:59:40,560 --> 04:59:42,900
So, Council member Liang, that's a separate topic.

2974
04:59:43,780 --> 04:59:45,960
We're not talking about mandating vaccines.

2975
04:59:45,960 --> 04:59:50,360
If you want to raise this later in the meeting when we're doing staff reports, future guidance.

2976
04:59:50,360 --> 04:59:59,980
And I put it in the heart of the motion, you know, yep, the filter, the part of the motion that I heard didn't.

2977
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:05,680
We have to do with a policy, a city policy related to mandating vaccinations.

2978
05:00:06,420 --> 05:00:07,320
That's what I heard.

2979
05:00:07,320 --> 05:00:09,420
I said for admission to the meeting.

2980
05:00:10,080 --> 05:00:10,840
I did.

2981
05:00:11,040 --> 05:00:17,060
So that is a city policy that separately, this is a location motion.

2982
05:00:18,600 --> 05:00:25,200
So I don't want to collapse the two, and I know Mr. England or Mr. Mayor will chime in here too.

2983
05:00:25,200 --> 05:00:36,600
The direction about the vaccine mandate that has to be handled separately unless what the makers of the motion are saying it's contingent.

2984
05:00:36,600 --> 05:00:53,500
So I'm going to put it back to them because that's not what I only only for the meeting not about the let's not about the location it's for the meet the meetings in that location pending and it's only and limited to that location for our meetings.

2985
05:00:53,500 --> 05:00:58,460
And then, new set of rules whenever we're going to move, wherever we're going to move to.

2986
05:00:58,820 --> 05:01:02,140
So it sounds like the motion for location as Mr.

2987
05:01:02,260 --> 05:01:05,380
Imagineer is asking us is for the community center.

2988
05:01:06,820 --> 05:01:08,220
That's what Mr. Weinberg said.

2989
05:01:08,960 --> 05:01:09,000
Okay.

2990
05:01:09,700 --> 05:01:16,080
Can we take a vote because I know Mr. Imagineer wanted us to focus on, and these are the contingencies I understand.

2991
05:01:16,080 --> 05:01:21,360
But we want to basically give direction tonight on between the

2992
05:01:21,360 --> 05:01:26,420
Lacy building and the new community center, which of those two

2993
05:01:26,420 --> 05:01:31,340
locations does majority are more council member support having future

2994
05:01:31,340 --> 05:01:35,660
in person meetings. That is the immediate question. Now we can talk

2995
05:01:35,660 --> 05:01:38,660
about the other contingencies about mandating vaccines, mass

2996
05:01:38,660 --> 05:01:42,720
requirements and things like that, but I really need us to focus on

2997
05:01:42,720 --> 05:01:44,660
as I can see where this is going.

2998
05:01:45,160 --> 05:01:49,420
So with that motion, can we get a vote on the location

2999
05:01:49,420 --> 05:01:52,480
being the community center over lacing?

3000
05:01:53,300 --> 05:01:55,960
So, Citi Quark, can you please call the roll on that question?

3001
05:01:59,200 --> 05:02:00,920
Sure, just a point of clarification.

3002
05:02:01,400 --> 05:02:06,100
So that the motion was to conduct the in-person meetings

3003
05:02:06,100 --> 05:02:08,760
at the community center until the time

3004
05:02:08,760 --> 05:02:14,020
that the council chambers are ready to hold a meeting.

3005
05:02:14,020 --> 05:02:16,340
Is that the end of the motion?

3006
05:02:16,840 --> 05:02:17,040
Yes.

3007
05:02:17,560 --> 05:02:18,280
Yes.

3008
05:02:18,920 --> 05:02:21,400
And that was seconded by Vice Mayor Enaender.

3009
05:02:21,960 --> 05:02:22,000
Yes.

3010
05:02:22,420 --> 05:02:22,680
Okay.

3011
05:02:22,960 --> 05:02:24,580
And then I will call the roll.

3012
05:02:25,240 --> 05:02:26,660
Councilmember Lee Eang.

3013
05:02:27,920 --> 05:02:28,200
Yes.

3014
05:02:31,120 --> 05:02:32,080
Vice Mayor Enaender.

3015
05:02:36,300 --> 05:02:37,280
Councilmember Meadows.

3016
05:02:38,320 --> 05:02:38,760
Yes.

3017
05:02:41,930 --> 05:02:42,870
Councilmember Weinberg.

3018
05:02:43,610 --> 05:02:43,790
Yes.

3019
05:02:44,650 --> 05:02:45,490
Mayor Flagger.

3020
05:02:46,210 --> 05:02:46,410
Yes.

3021
05:02:47,050 --> 05:02:47,350
Thank you.

3022
05:02:47,430 --> 05:02:48,850
The motion passes five to zero.

3023
05:02:49,590 --> 05:02:50,030
Thank you.

3024
05:02:50,030 --> 05:03:00,670
So then I'm going to turn to Mr. England then to have this discussion about things we want in place in this location we have all selected. So Mr. England.

3025
05:03:01,110 --> 05:03:12,730
Thank you, Mayor. We're happy to bring back information about COVID safe protocols, including any legal implications for requiring proof of vaccination.

3026
05:03:12,730 --> 05:03:18,370
at the next meeting, if that's okay with council. We'd really like time to look at that as opposed

3027
05:03:18,370 --> 05:03:19,990
to responding this evening.

3028
05:03:22,680 --> 05:03:27,540
Thank you for that, Mr. Inwind. Okay, so that's it, Mr.

3029
05:03:27,680 --> 05:03:30,420
Margino, did you need anything else from us?

3030
05:03:32,490 --> 05:03:39,810
Thank you. All right, next we have item 13, which is the

3031
05:03:39,810 --> 05:03:44,390
of the City Council, Lee High-Corey, subcommittee.

3032
05:03:45,890 --> 05:03:48,070
I don't think we have the staff report.

3033
05:03:48,390 --> 05:03:51,330
I think we all know the history here

3034
05:03:51,330 --> 05:03:53,810
and what has occurred to date and because of the time,

3035
05:03:55,190 --> 05:03:57,570
I'm going to look to council members to see

3036
05:03:57,570 --> 05:04:00,590
if they have any questions based on what was in the staff report,

3037
05:04:01,270 --> 05:04:03,830
go to the public and then come back for discussion.

3038
05:04:04,810 --> 05:04:07,590
So any questions about what was in the staff report

3039
05:04:07,590 --> 05:04:11,270
about what we're forming and how this came about.

3040
05:04:13,920 --> 05:04:16,780
Okay, I don't see any hands, Mr. England,

3041
05:04:17,400 --> 05:04:18,520
your hand is still raised,

3042
05:04:18,580 --> 05:04:21,200
but I think that's from item 12.

3043
05:04:22,940 --> 05:04:25,980
And city clerk, do we have any members of the public

3044
05:04:25,980 --> 05:04:29,700
who would like to comment on item 13?

3045
05:04:32,530 --> 05:04:35,510
Yes, Madam Mayor, there is a one person, Roberta.

3046
05:04:36,570 --> 05:04:37,930
Thank you three minutes.

3047
05:04:41,260 --> 05:04:42,880
Okay, just on me to myself.

3048
05:04:42,880 --> 05:04:49,700
Okay, I would just like to say that at least six to eight months ago, I did have a conference

3049
05:04:49,700 --> 05:04:58,360
called with Rotor Fry and Lynette, who made me aware of what's going on on the quarry,

3050
05:04:58,900 --> 05:04:59,900
And I would really

3051
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:11,280
We'd recommend that we'll not be participating in this because it really is a passenger purse. And the people in South Los Altos will be much more effective than the people in North Altos.

3052
05:05:11,940 --> 05:05:24,620
So I would hope that, you know, since she resides there and has, you know, had a long-term interest in this as she'd be one of the members. That's my suggestion. Thank you.

3053
05:05:25,620 --> 05:05:26,740
Thanks, Roberta.

3054
05:05:28,160 --> 05:05:30,600
Do we have any other members of the public?

3055
05:05:31,040 --> 05:05:32,140
City Clerk?

3056
05:05:32,760 --> 05:05:34,380
No, no matter Mary, you do not.

3057
05:05:35,180 --> 05:05:36,060
Thank you.

3058
05:05:36,500 --> 05:05:38,160
And as we bring it back to Council,

3059
05:05:38,760 --> 05:05:41,380
you know, I do want to make sure the record is clear.

3060
05:05:41,680 --> 05:05:44,540
You know, Los Alters doesn't have district representation.

3061
05:05:45,420 --> 05:05:47,620
So it doesn't where you live in Los Alters.

3062
05:05:47,660 --> 05:05:52,380
You represent the entire community and you represent the entire community's interests.

3063
05:05:52,380 --> 05:06:05,060
So I just want to make sure that's clear that where someone resides doesn't mean that they somehow have more of an interest or would better represent the residents in that area of the community.

3064
05:06:05,820 --> 05:06:11,380
So having said that, I do want to see if we have any discussion on this.

3065
05:06:11,380 --> 05:06:18,380
You know, and I can start us off and, you know, we know the history, I'm not going to rehash everything because of the time.

3066
05:06:19,560 --> 05:06:28,620
You know, when this originally came up, I had proposed being the mayor and a lot of these things require or they invite the mayor to present or speak.

3067
05:06:29,200 --> 05:06:41,360
But I along with Council Member Meadows made sense to be on the subcommittee because she's the council liaison to the Environmental Commission and we had envisioned back then that the Environmental Commission may also

3068
05:06:41,360 --> 05:06:47,920
have a role to play here. And don't go out of Brown Act violation. I had suggested at the time

3069
05:06:47,920 --> 05:06:53,720
that myself as mayor and councilmember Meadows should serve on this subcommittee.

3070
05:06:54,960 --> 05:07:00,120
Councilmember Lee Eng has expressed an interest in serving on this subcommittee. We just

3071
05:07:00,120 --> 05:07:05,960
heard from a member of the public who supports that as well. And I can just, you know, I will speak

3072
05:07:05,960 --> 05:07:32,020
for myself. I'm I'm I'm fine supporting stepping back and having council member meadows and council member Leang serve on this subcommittee my only request is that it's it be structured very similar to our legislative subcommittee where for letters and things that require the mayor of course I'm not going to brown act if that's what the council decides tonight.

3073
05:07:32,020 --> 05:07:43,880
But there's things, for example, that letters that need to come from the mayor, or for example, if a county supervisor calls me or whoever the mayor is and says that would like you to appear at a press conference.

3074
05:07:44,440 --> 05:07:47,400
Obviously, I would do that separate in a park from the subcommittee.

3075
05:07:48,020 --> 05:07:59,740
We also learned that there's a planning commission meeting this week at the county related to, you know, it's not a direct issue, but it is related to our interests.

3076
05:07:59,740 --> 05:08:09,140
And that's something we are, for example, I could send a letter on behalf of the city without being brown acted with the council members because I do that in my mayor capacity.

3077
05:08:09,840 --> 05:08:20,360
So I am happy to step down from throwing my name in this hat and deferring to council member Leang and council member Meadows to serve on this subcommittee.

3078
05:08:20,920 --> 05:08:24,320
Very similar to what we do at the legislative subcommittee, and I don't know.

3079
05:08:24,320 --> 05:08:26,740
I know council member Lee Eng has expressed an interest.

3080
05:08:27,140 --> 05:08:31,500
Council member Medios, I don't know if you've changed your mind since the last time.

3081
05:08:31,660 --> 05:08:34,220
You're not on the housing element of committee, so I'm hoping.

3082
05:08:34,760 --> 05:08:38,480
And you do have, I really, you know, when I'm thinking about it, I really think for two

3083
05:08:38,480 --> 05:08:41,700
reasons, it makes sense for you to be on the subcommittee, one, the Environmental Commission.

3084
05:08:41,820 --> 05:08:43,020
But you also have the expertise.

3085
05:08:43,600 --> 05:08:44,840
You did work in this area.

3086
05:08:46,560 --> 05:08:53,220
And so that's what I would propose that we have those two council members formed the subcommittee.

3087
05:08:54,260 --> 05:09:20,360
And then if they're support for that, then let's define what the role looks like because I know from talking to many people over the last several months, there's a lot of unknowns right now about what direction any and all of this will take and so we need to make sure that the subcommittee clearly understands their role and what they're delegated to do within the subcommittee.

3088
05:09:20,360 --> 05:09:24,920
So I'm going to scot there. That's my two cents by smear e-nander.

3089
05:09:25,480 --> 05:09:31,760
There I'd like to make two comments. One is to thank you for graciously offering to step back

3090
05:09:33,120 --> 05:09:37,220
because before I was even on the planning, I think what I was on the planning commission.

3091
05:09:38,200 --> 05:09:39,880
I'm thinking about running for council.

3092
05:09:41,580 --> 05:09:45,980
Council member Lee Eng said to me, you need to go find out about Steven's Creek Quarry.

3093
05:09:45,980 --> 05:09:52,060
and she gave me a brief on it. And she dragged my rear end out to one of Supervisor

3094
05:09:52,660 --> 05:09:58,880
Samdians meetings. And I was the only council member, prospective council member, or council member, who was at that meeting.

3095
05:09:59,440 --> 05:09:59,980
And the next two.

3096
05:10:01,020 --> 05:10:29,360
But she was there. And she was aware of what was going on and has been for years. So she really has an in-depth long-term knowledge of the issues with the quarry, and I think she will do well. And I'm confident that council member Meadows will similarly come up to speed, and that they will work well together on this. In terms of a specific task, I'd like to offer that we do something broadly tonight.

3097
05:10:29,360 --> 05:10:32,460
And then we ask them to come back and report

3098
05:10:32,460 --> 05:10:36,740
at our next meeting with any refinements or changes

3099
05:10:36,740 --> 05:10:40,400
that they would propose to that tasking.

3100
05:10:40,580 --> 05:10:43,580
And I'd like to suggest that the tasking is too full.

3101
05:10:44,240 --> 05:10:49,260
One is to be outward looking and to be participating in

3102
05:10:49,260 --> 05:10:56,440
and aware of briefings, meetings, communications and so on,

3103
05:10:56,440 --> 05:11:03,800
that emanate from the county and from the city of Cupertino because and other entities that have

3104
05:11:03,800 --> 05:11:12,220
a hand in regulating what occurs at the quarry and then it also be inward looking so that any

3105
05:11:12,220 --> 05:11:21,740
impacts on the city or our residents can be reported either as as channels may be appropriate

3106
05:11:21,740 --> 05:11:29,920
it may be to staff for action or for dissemination of information to our community and you've already

3107
05:11:29,920 --> 05:11:36,760
covered any communications that would be urgent, but otherwise if there are communications that

3108
05:11:36,760 --> 05:11:42,360
they recommend that those would flow through the normal channels as we do with legislative committee.

3109
05:11:45,790 --> 05:11:48,890
You know, thanks, Vice Mayor Enaender. Any other comments on this?

3110
05:11:48,890 --> 05:11:52,010
I have some member matters. You want to weigh it here?

3111
05:11:53,150 --> 05:11:59,070
Yes, I would be happy. I have some very, very dusty expertise.

3112
05:11:59,790 --> 05:12:05,450
My chemistry degree comes out of the drawer very, very late, but I'll take it out for this.

3113
05:12:06,790 --> 05:12:12,770
And I would say, though, I think it's no good question. Maybe we don't deal with it tonight, but

3114
05:12:12,770 --> 05:12:34,630
We were going to have some discussion around what role the environmental commission might play to. So maybe that's something council member laying and I can talk about and then I could take to the commission and we can come back to council with that because they should I think be playing a role in this and you can help figure out what that should be.

3115
05:12:34,630 --> 05:12:37,850
And I will mention that one second, Vice Mayor.

3116
05:12:38,630 --> 05:12:39,550
Vice Mayor.

3117
05:12:40,270 --> 05:12:42,830
Councilmember Weinberg, I don't see your hand raised.

3118
05:12:46,960 --> 05:12:49,600
I'm going to court with the general consensus of the council.

3119
05:12:50,980 --> 05:12:53,140
Councilmember Lee, and you have your hand raised.

3120
05:12:54,320 --> 05:13:00,080
So I think it was also the subcommittee was going to work with midpin,

3121
05:13:00,120 --> 05:13:03,860
because they are taking the lead on the subcommittee as well.

3122
05:13:03,860 --> 05:13:07,860
So we would be working with their direction as well.

3123
05:13:10,120 --> 05:13:10,680
Yes.

3124
05:13:13,000 --> 05:13:14,460
And I will leave it to the subcommittee.

3125
05:13:14,480 --> 05:13:15,700
I know you know you Rico.

3126
05:13:16,740 --> 05:13:17,920
And so reach out to them.

3127
05:13:18,060 --> 05:13:21,580
Let them know we finally formed our subcommittee and we're ready to go.

3128
05:13:24,090 --> 05:13:26,210
So vice mayor in under back to you.

3129
05:13:26,810 --> 05:13:28,510
Only to add that.

3130
05:13:28,530 --> 05:13:31,830
At those meetings that I attended that.

3131
05:13:31,830 --> 05:13:35,190
Mr. Weedon who serves as a long-saving number of the.

3132
05:13:35,190 --> 05:13:39,690
environmental commission was all at all of those also and he is already, you know, very well,

3133
05:13:39,690 --> 05:13:44,650
briefed on what's going on with the court. Thank you. And I really say I've been to Lee

3134
05:13:44,650 --> 05:13:49,370
High meetings as well. Maybe not all the ones you've been to, but I know I've been to many as well

3135
05:13:49,370 --> 05:13:55,320
and I'm very familiar going years back with my previous employer working and learning about this.

3136
05:13:56,230 --> 05:14:01,750
So with that, it looks like we have consensus. I think we need a motion to form this some committee.

3137
05:14:01,750 --> 05:14:10,610
I am comfortable with the role that the vice mayor described and I like the idea of the subcommittee coming back to us,

3138
05:14:10,970 --> 05:14:16,390
flushing out more what this role is and potentially how the environmental commission could play a role here.

3139
05:14:17,210 --> 05:14:21,070
So with that, I will entertain a motion to do just that.

3140
05:14:21,070 --> 05:14:50,090
I'll move that we a point that we establish the City Council, Lehigh, Cori, some committee with the initial appointees to be Council members Leang and Meadows and the broad scope as outlined in our previous discussion to be further refined based on their conversation, especially with respect to the involvement with Midpen and

3141
05:14:50,090 --> 05:14:56,770
And the environmental commission and staff in me go and staff thank you

3142
05:14:56,770 --> 05:14:59,830
Okay, so we have a motion do we have a second

3143
05:15:03,040 --> 05:15:13,180
Okay, seconded by council member Meadows. So we have the motion by Vice Mayor Enander, seconded by council member Meadows, city clerk, can you please call the roll.

3144
05:15:13,420 --> 05:15:14,820
Here, council member Weinberg?

3145
05:15:19,710 --> 05:15:20,690
Council member Leying?

3146
05:15:23,730 --> 05:15:24,490
Mayor Flagger?

3147
05:15:26,550 --> 05:15:27,530
Vice Mayor Enander?

3148
05:15:28,310 --> 05:15:28,510
Yes.

3149
05:15:29,690 --> 05:15:30,790
And council member Meadows.

3150
05:15:34,500 --> 05:15:35,780
Can't hear you sour.

3151
05:15:38,250 --> 05:16:05,570
Yes, I'm sorry. It was shown me as being a muted again. Yes, yes. Thank you. The motion passes five to zero. Thank you. There is a delay. Thank you. Okay. It's after midnight. Let's keep going. How's our meeting more. Yeah, one more thing on that item, please. I don't know if we need a motion, but like we stated, there's a planning commission for the county coming up on Thursday. And I'd like to make sure that we.

3152
05:16:05,590 --> 05:16:12,410
send a letter supporting that position and so is that a direction and do you want

3153
05:16:13,530 --> 05:16:17,850
that's handling just like you the scope is broad and I do think this falls within the

3154
05:16:17,850 --> 05:16:22,390
scope so if you and and councilmember meadows what to put a letter together for my signature

3155
05:16:23,250 --> 05:16:27,810
you know we just need to get it to angel and he knows how to get it over to this county

3156
05:16:27,810 --> 05:16:30,330
okay wonderful thank you

3157
05:16:31,510 --> 05:16:33,330
Okay, I'll bring you the drafts.

3158
05:16:34,210 --> 05:16:35,770
It's ready to go.

3159
05:16:37,830 --> 05:16:37,950
Okay.

3160
05:16:39,370 --> 05:16:44,730
Next, we have number 14, which is the designation of the voting delegate, an alternate

3161
05:16:44,730 --> 05:16:50,490
and as you know, it's myself and council member Weinberg for going so this shouldn't be an easy item.

3162
05:16:50,930 --> 05:16:53,270
But we still have to go through the process.

3163
05:16:53,610 --> 05:16:55,330
So any questions on this item?

3164
05:16:56,570 --> 05:16:58,610
Because when we're reading, you have your hand raised.

3165
05:17:00,500 --> 05:17:02,860
Sorry, that was from a previous.

3166
05:17:03,900 --> 05:17:04,260
Oh, okay.

3167
05:17:04,460 --> 05:17:05,400
Get the freebies.

3168
05:17:05,580 --> 05:17:07,580
Bring me back the doggy toy to again.

3169
05:17:08,500 --> 05:17:09,700
That was fun.

3170
05:17:10,880 --> 05:17:18,020
So moving to attendees and a comments from the public on this item city clerk.

3171
05:17:18,520 --> 05:17:20,880
No, no members of public wishing to speak.

3172
05:17:21,540 --> 05:17:21,760
Okay.

3173
05:17:22,040 --> 05:17:24,900
So let's bring it back to council for discussion or emotion.

3174
05:17:26,700 --> 05:17:27,300
Any discussion?

3175
05:17:27,800 --> 05:17:28,540
Any motion?

3176
05:17:29,260 --> 05:17:31,120
Council Member Weinberg.

3177
05:17:32,700 --> 05:17:39,140
Madam Mayor, surprisingly, I moved that you be the delegate to the League of California

3178
05:17:39,140 --> 05:17:45,180
cities, and that, humbly, I will put my own hat in the ring to be the alternate.

3179
05:17:46,300 --> 05:17:50,420
So we have a motion by Council Member Weinberg.

3180
05:17:50,740 --> 05:17:53,520
Council Member, can you have your, is that the second it?

3181
05:17:53,660 --> 05:17:54,060
Yes.

3182
05:17:54,700 --> 05:17:54,740
Okay.

3183
05:17:54,740 --> 05:18:01,600
So we have the second by council member Lee Eng, city clerk, can you please go ahead and call the world.

3184
05:18:01,980 --> 05:18:05,740
Sure, council member Meadows. Yes.

3185
05:18:05,740 --> 05:18:09,400
Council, uh, like Mayor Flagger. Yes.

3186
05:18:10,320 --> 05:18:10,720
Thank you.

3187
05:18:10,820 --> 05:18:11,800
Thank you.

3188
05:18:11,800 --> 05:18:15,180
Yes. Council member Lee Eng. Yes.

3189
05:18:16,180 --> 05:18:18,640
And council member Weinberg. Yes.

3190
05:18:19,200 --> 05:18:21,200
Thank you. The motion passes by to zero.

3191
05:18:21,900 --> 05:18:28,200
Thank you, City Clerk, and then the next item, I had said at 9 p.m. that we were going to

3192
05:18:29,680 --> 05:18:35,560
continue it, but skip it, and I don't see any hands being raised over ride that.

3193
05:18:36,480 --> 05:18:43,020
So let's go to informational items, which are there as you know, they're just in the packet for informational purposes.

3194
05:18:43,640 --> 05:18:49,180
And so next we have council staff reports and directions on future agenda items.

3195
05:18:49,720 --> 05:18:52,440
Mr. England, this is your first time doing this with us.

3196
05:18:52,760 --> 05:18:54,620
Sometimes we have a staff report first.

3197
05:18:54,740 --> 05:18:56,420
Sometimes we go first if you're ready to go.

3198
05:18:56,660 --> 05:18:57,800
Let's start with you.

3199
05:18:58,460 --> 05:19:05,620
I have nothing more other than we have the items for future council meetings on the agenda.

3200
05:19:06,640 --> 05:19:07,760
Thank you.

3201
05:19:07,760 --> 05:19:13,880
So council members and it reports or requests for future agenda items.

3202
05:19:14,060 --> 05:19:17,760
I'm going to look at virtual hands council member Lee A.

3203
05:19:21,240 --> 05:19:28,760
Tonight Director Kremlin shared some information on water saving rebate programs.

3204
05:19:28,920 --> 05:19:31,500
I'd like to make sure that that is on our website.

3205
05:19:31,500 --> 05:19:39,100
so the public can have access on how to access, rebate programs, and free items from the Santa

3206
05:19:39,100 --> 05:19:46,980
Clara Valley Water District. The second thing is for future agenda items, I would like to

3207
05:19:48,120 --> 05:19:55,280
or I am interested in having a discussion for how we keep our city open to serve our constituents

3208
05:19:56,440 --> 05:19:59,260
5 days a week as we look to the future.

3209
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:25,130
And when we reopen again, I think it's important that as we reopen, we can safely do so, but I would like to better understand the impacts on the schedule and the possible labor impacts that may occur. So I hope we can have a discussion about that.

3210
05:20:25,990 --> 05:20:35,130
So that would be a future agenda item which would require staff work and I think you're talking about revisiting the 1980 schedule is that the request.

3211
05:20:37,070 --> 05:20:43,250
No, no, no, I can understand this understood. So what is the request so we can see if there's support to put it on a future agenda.

3212
05:20:44,310 --> 05:21:00,450
How we would to, I guess the question that we'd like to try to see if we can, how we're going to serve our constituents and how to get our city open back again five days a week.

3213
05:21:01,150 --> 05:21:04,590
Coming out of a COVID going back to the pre-COVID schedule.

3214
05:21:05,710 --> 05:21:14,010
going coming out of COVID yes, is it the pre-COVID schedule? No, that's why we got to talk about it.

3215
05:21:15,110 --> 05:21:25,590
And, you know, try to modify it because as our schedules have changed, we could either try to talk about having

3216
05:21:27,670 --> 05:21:35,170
to have the staff work Monday to Thursday and then the other half working Tuesday to Friday.

3217
05:21:35,750 --> 05:21:40,030
And so every visiting, it is revisiting the staff's current 9080s.

3218
05:21:40,090 --> 05:21:43,330
It is. You're trying to get, I know. Yes.

3219
05:21:43,810 --> 05:21:44,350
So the question.

3220
05:21:45,550 --> 05:21:51,010
And before we see if there's council support for that, I want to see if Mr. England has any staff,

3221
05:21:51,050 --> 05:21:55,990
labor concerns related to bringing that to a public agenda.

3222
05:21:57,830 --> 05:22:04,290
Mayer, at this time, we're still going through meeting with labor groups and determining

3223
05:22:04,290 --> 05:22:11,610
meeting confer for return to in-person work. So, well, I'm totally open to having this conversation

3224
05:22:11,610 --> 05:22:18,910
with Council. I will say at this stage on the job, I'm not prepared to address it until we get our

3225
05:22:18,910 --> 05:22:25,130
return to in-person work correct. And then I think we should talk about how we best serve the residents.

3226
05:22:25,990 --> 05:22:31,050
Thank you. Thanks Mr. England. Anything else can you remember the end?

3227
05:22:37,360 --> 05:22:44,980
I wanted to ask if we feel it would be good for us to have a real retreat on relationship building.

3228
05:22:46,940 --> 05:22:50,240
I think that it might be helpful.

3229
05:22:51,520 --> 05:22:57,200
I think right now I'd like to pose the idea so you can think about it.

3230
05:22:57,200 --> 05:23:09,500
But we can have that discussion, but it'll be hard virtually right now, but just I'd like to at least have the thought and then have it for future discussion.

3231
05:23:10,580 --> 05:23:12,040
You planted the seed.

3232
05:23:12,040 --> 05:23:19,880
And we'll see with the upcoming annual retreat priorities that whatever we call it, if that may be where we put it, but you're planning to see.

3233
05:23:20,880 --> 05:23:25,780
Okay. Thank you, Councilmember Lee, Eng. Councilmember Weinberg.

3234
05:23:27,440 --> 05:23:32,580
Thank you, Mayor. I have a brief report and then I would like to propose to future agenda items.

3235
05:23:32,580 --> 05:23:54,980
In my report, I am proud to review out of the council that I have been selected to join the Champions Institute, which is a program for elected officials put on by smart growth America, and this is in conjunction with the Center for these controls and a lot of other organizations.

3236
05:23:54,980 --> 05:24:05,480
The goal of the Champions Institute is to help create local look at the officials to equitably define, design, build and evaluate complete streets in their communities.

3237
05:24:06,200 --> 05:24:13,740
And the goal is to empower us to promote and help build this complete streets, which in turn are designed to promote a healthy and active lifestyle.

3238
05:24:14,660 --> 05:24:18,760
Apparently it was a very competitive process, so I'm happy that I was selected.

3239
05:24:18,760 --> 05:24:26,760
I think the timing is perfect because we're putting together our complete history's master plan and it just so happens that I'm a liaison to the commission so

3240
05:24:27,380 --> 05:24:32,240
a very special thank you to the mayor and to the city manager for both of these letters of recommendation.

3241
05:24:33,200 --> 05:24:36,900
To where I will thank the chair of that commission so I'm very excited about that.

3242
05:24:37,000 --> 05:24:45,240
I think that this is going to give me some tools to really help promote better equitable healthy active streets.

3243
05:24:46,280 --> 05:24:54,200
In terms of future agenda items, I would like us to agendaize the question of whether the city should be

3244
05:24:54,200 --> 05:24:57,600
choir that all city employees be vaccinated for the virus.

3245
05:24:58,920 --> 05:24:59,960
I think it's going on.

3246
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:12,200
We're going to go around, but nationally and locally. It's something that I think I support, but whether we support it or not, I think it's appropriate for us to have the conversation and for us to have it soon since we're opening up.

3247
05:25:12,640 --> 05:25:17,560
So let's stop there. And because we're a wide and we're going to of course, congratulations well deserved.

3248
05:25:18,360 --> 05:25:27,180
For the champions Institute. Let's go to the city manager about what is the process to really consider that type of policy.

3249
05:25:28,140 --> 05:25:41,780
Mayor, the city manager has the authority to mandate that certainly council, I would also have the authority to provide direction and vote on it in mandate it as well.

3250
05:25:42,260 --> 05:25:55,000
I would suggest that if council would like to discuss that we determine if there's a brown act exemption, there will certainly be impacts to labor unions and certainly be likely litigation.

3251
05:25:55,840 --> 05:26:00,120
So, if Council would like to discuss it, staff can prepare that.

3252
05:26:00,120 --> 05:26:06,340
If Council would like to request the City Attorney looking at Brown Act exemption for a closed session, we could explore that as well.

3253
05:26:08,350 --> 05:26:13,690
So, let's see if there's support from Council for the City Manager and City Attorney to explore that.

3254
05:26:14,010 --> 05:26:21,350
So, we have, I support the City Attorney, the Vice Mayor, is it unanimous? Well, Councilwoman Liang, I don't see your hand.

3255
05:26:22,430 --> 05:26:24,850
I have a question, I have a question.

3256
05:26:24,990 --> 05:26:25,570
Go ahead, councilmember.

3257
05:26:26,810 --> 05:26:30,670
I guess we're exploring it, right?

3258
05:26:30,670 --> 05:26:31,990
Because I'd like to better understand.

3259
05:26:32,250 --> 05:26:38,030
He raised a good point that I am concerned about is the litigation aspect.

3260
05:26:39,590 --> 05:26:44,250
So, I just want to make sure we get more information before we proceed.

3261
05:26:44,630 --> 05:26:49,550
So the direction is for the city attorney to work with a city manager to determine

3262
05:26:49,550 --> 05:27:09,310
And if there is a brown act exemption for us to have this discussion and co-session, and then we go from there and I go up to my, my, my, my, my, I froze. And so you said the city attorney and then everything froze. So more memos and what am I looking into now, it froze.

3263
05:27:09,310 --> 05:27:21,490
So, council member Weinberg proposes a future agenda item, council discussing having a mandatory vaccination policy.

3264
05:27:21,890 --> 05:27:33,330
Oh, Mr. England explained that once he has the authority or city manager to enact such a policy without council weighing in, even though council could do it as well.

3265
05:27:33,330 --> 05:27:52,670
But separately, because they're labor implications and potential lawsuits that this could fall within a brown act exemption, and so he would work with you if there's interest in council and having this discussion, work with you and seeing if there is in fact a brown act exemption and so we can agenda is it for closed session.

3266
05:27:53,070 --> 05:27:54,330
Okay, thank you.

3267
05:27:54,490 --> 05:27:54,950
You're welcome.

3268
05:27:55,410 --> 05:27:55,510
Okay.

3269
05:27:55,950 --> 05:27:58,790
So council member Weinberg, I think you said you had a second item.

3270
05:28:01,030 --> 05:28:09,190
I did. Thank you, Mayor. I move that the council consider whether or not to adopt the policy of censure slash

3271
05:28:10,270 --> 05:28:10,830
admonition.

3272
05:28:12,110 --> 05:28:15,910
So it's not a motion, but you're proposing it as a future agenda item.

3273
05:28:16,430 --> 05:28:24,750
And I supported, I would want it to be broader not just admonition or censure, but it's actions we can take to respond to violations of our norms.

3274
05:28:25,870 --> 05:28:31,110
So, I support it. We need to three because this requires staff work. Do we have a third? Okay,

3275
05:28:31,170 --> 05:28:37,950
customer remettos. So we have at least three council members supporting staff working on a proposed policy.

3276
05:28:39,190 --> 05:28:42,890
That would allow us to take action if there's violation of our enormous.

3277
05:28:44,530 --> 05:28:46,890
Okay, is that it council member Weinberg?

3278
05:28:49,060 --> 05:28:50,060
Who's next?

3279
05:28:51,160 --> 05:28:53,920
Vice Mayor Enaider. I can see everybody now.

3280
05:28:53,920 --> 05:28:56,860
Oh, that's good. Enough people have dropped on.

3281
05:28:57,060 --> 05:29:13,180
It's late. So for future general items, I know that the C manager has an update on ARPA and tentatively a report on kind of a preliminary FY 2021, 2021 end of year.

3282
05:29:14,640 --> 05:29:20,940
I hope that we can get an end of year, you know, first shot at how things are looking.

3283
05:29:20,940 --> 05:29:28,940
I think that's important because I understand there may be some adjustments we need to make for the 21-22 year.

3284
05:29:30,020 --> 05:29:43,720
Excuse me, excuse me, 22-23 year and also we have postponed making some decisions about the CIP and so it would help to know how things excuse me just a minute.

3285
05:29:43,720 --> 05:29:46,080
I'm going to go out on your bed.

3286
05:29:48,310 --> 05:29:49,030
Excuse me.

3287
05:29:49,110 --> 05:29:49,630
Bless you.

3288
05:29:51,680 --> 05:29:52,200
Thank you.

3289
05:29:52,500 --> 05:29:54,780
It would be good to know in September.

3290
05:29:55,620 --> 05:29:57,980
How things looked for end of year.

3291
05:29:58,640 --> 05:29:59,640
And then I've also.

3292
05:30:00,560 --> 05:30:13,780
Suggested and hope that in the December 14 meeting that if possible, we can look at, and we said we were going to look into December at the CIP projects that we deferred.

3293
05:30:13,780 --> 05:30:25,820
So I'd like to see the city manager try to get us on track where we can look at those CIP projects that were deferred and see whether we want to enter in a position and move forward with any of them.

3294
05:30:25,820 --> 05:30:34,040
And also that we approve a meeting calendar at our December meeting for next year so that we've

3295
05:30:35,340 --> 05:30:41,140
forecasted holidays and all those kinds of things and need for some possibly some extra meetings.

3296
05:30:41,800 --> 05:30:49,900
The other thing is I don't know whether or when engineering is planning to come back with some information

3297
05:30:49,900 --> 05:30:56,740
on the quest to speed tables that was certainly a discussion and part of a motion when we

3298
05:30:56,740 --> 05:31:03,740
approved the, we finaled that project, but that should get added to the list somewhere along the line.

3299
05:31:04,660 --> 05:31:08,780
Mayor, just down that for clarity, Arpa is coming in September.

3300
05:31:09,580 --> 05:31:13,760
The end of year will likely be in October. It gives us time to close the books.

3301
05:31:14,180 --> 05:31:19,800
We also have a new finance director and finance manager coming on, so it'll give them a good opportunity to learn

3302
05:31:19,800 --> 05:31:30,120
the budget. CIP, we have in December that maybe January, but council may have a larger look at the budget.

3303
05:31:30,960 --> 05:31:39,700
So it may expand beyond just CIP. The calendar is fine. The quest to speed bumps. I want to

3304
05:31:39,700 --> 05:31:46,720
look at the motion. I think I'm not sure if that needs to come back to council or not. I'll

3305
05:31:46,720 --> 05:31:52,120
at the motion, I do know that we need to make changes to the speed bumps, but we have pretty good

3306
05:31:52,120 --> 05:31:57,360
guidelines with public safety and fire for what the speed bumps should be, how they should be

3307
05:31:57,360 --> 05:32:02,100
engineered, how they should be installed in the field, and what we've installed is outside of those

3308
05:32:02,100 --> 05:32:02,440
standards.

3309
05:32:05,100 --> 05:32:15,360
So that's good feedback to have already. Thank you very much, and that's all I have

3310
05:32:15,360 --> 05:32:25,420
and go ahead with the state, we're having a new finance director and when is she start, or she, or that person?

3311
05:32:25,660 --> 05:32:31,300
The finance director, I haven't got the final, the final look in the background.

3312
05:32:31,600 --> 05:32:36,340
So I can't announce it yet, but it will be in September. We don't have any concerns.

3313
05:32:37,060 --> 05:32:40,060
They're just moving a little bit slow on the background check.

3314
05:32:40,060 --> 05:32:45,700
And the finance manager accepted today and I think she is also serving September.

3315
05:32:46,740 --> 05:32:53,360
So my request because this hasn't always happened and I hope I think you would do this anyway, Mr. England.

3316
05:32:54,480 --> 05:33:04,340
But with key staff, especially like department heads, it'd be nice to get when you get those finalized if you drop us an email and tell us who and their names and we're going to.

3317
05:33:04,400 --> 05:33:05,480
Absolutely, we will.

3318
05:33:05,760 --> 05:33:06,840
Thank you.

3319
05:33:06,840 --> 05:33:15,240
Thank you. And we've done it a couple of times as well just to add to that, where if they're really at that director level, you bring them to a council meeting and do a formal intro.

3320
05:33:16,100 --> 05:33:33,720
Okay, so is that it vice mayor in ander, okay, and nothing your race was new, you were just bringing up existing items and figuring out what they were there were a couple of things that weren't on on the calendar yet, right, but I had I set a prelim off to Mr. England said, and want to catch him on a wares tonight.

3321
05:33:34,220 --> 05:33:34,440
Great.

3322
05:33:35,100 --> 05:33:35,920
Thank you.

3323
05:33:36,840 --> 05:33:39,620
Who is next? City Attorney go ahead.

3324
05:33:40,960 --> 05:33:44,020
I've been given direction to, you know,

3325
05:33:44,080 --> 05:33:46,100
look into the Brown Act on agendas.

3326
05:33:46,400 --> 05:33:47,880
I have a memo on that.

3327
05:33:47,980 --> 05:33:54,880
I've been directed to look into the NIMBY lawsuit

3328
05:33:54,880 --> 05:33:57,660
and the pros and cons of that.

3329
05:33:58,100 --> 05:34:00,920
And there was a, I think I was.

3330
05:34:01,080 --> 05:34:03,200
And then there was a third one.

3331
05:34:06,320 --> 05:34:14,460
And now I can't remember because it's so late, but I do, I do have those memos and I'll be sending them out to you.

3332
05:34:15,260 --> 05:34:25,080
It was, it was, it was the Brown Act, it was Yimby and it was something else and I can't, I can't remember at this point.

3333
05:34:25,640 --> 05:34:28,180
So, but they will be coming out.

3334
05:34:28,180 --> 05:34:29,280
Great. Thank you.

3335
05:34:30,140 --> 05:34:39,760
Okay, because that is any reports or requests for future agenda items, nothing that I can think of at the moment.

3336
05:34:41,180 --> 05:34:42,860
It's late, so I'll be quick.

3337
05:34:44,220 --> 05:34:53,580
I would like to congratulate the Los Angeles Hills softball team for winning or annual friendly game.

3338
05:34:53,580 --> 05:34:59,740
You know, thanks to our Los Alces team for doing a good job. It just wasn't our year.

3339
05:35:00,740 --> 05:35:29,980
Mayor Tonka and I had talked about doing some kind of wager. And we really couldn't come up with anything, but what we decided on was, you know, I would wear a Los Alzos Hills hat. And she has already left it at their town hall. I actually was supposed to pick it up today and wear it tonight, but I wasn't able to go up there. And so because we lost, I, you know, I promised Mayor Tonka, I would wear a Los Alzos Hills hat around town and then I come up with a

3340
05:35:29,980 --> 05:35:36,380
for meeting, so you'll see me dawning. I will solve those pills cap. And then Mayor

3341
05:35:36,380 --> 05:35:40,800
Tonka and I also said, you know, we would love for the two cities to work on something

3342
05:35:40,800 --> 05:35:46,000
before the end of the year. So stay tuned for that. So that's it for me. I have no

3343
05:35:46,000 --> 05:35:51,820
requests for any future agenda items at this time. If nothing else from Council, we don't

3344
05:35:51,820 --> 05:35:57,380
take public comments on this item as everybody knows. And so with that, we will adjourn

3345
05:35:57,380 --> 05:36:02,440
meeting at 1235 AM. Thank you and welcome back again.