>> Chair Jefferson: I would
like to go ahead and call the
meeting to order.
Let us begin with a moment of
silence.
[Moment of silence]
Thank you.
Please rise if you are able.
>>> I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the united states of
america and to the republic for
which it stands, one nation
under GOD, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
>> Chair Jefferson: before we
begin I want to acknowledge we
have a new member on the dais.
He was previously mentioned
during our finance and budget
committee meeting, but this is
the start of the official
meeting.
I wanted to take a quick moment
to welcome george stewart who
is a new gainesville district
supervisor.
So welcome.
>> George Stewart: thank you
very much MADAM Chair.
To my fellow board members and
staff back here, I have some
pictures to fill from the
predecessor who sat in the seat
before me and I'm looking
forward to getting to work.
Thank you
.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you.
we are going to move to agenda
item number three and that is
the approval of minutes.
MAY I have a motion for items
3a, b and c?
>> Andrea Bailey: so moved.
> Vice Chair Boddye: second.
>> Chair Jefferson: any
discussion?
If not, I would like to call
for the vote.
>> vote unanimous supervisors
to abstaining from vote.
>> Chair Jefferson: we are
going to move to agenda item
for and that is accommodations
and proclamations.
I would like to note that for
4c there is a request to
reschedule that for DECEMBER so
we will not be taking vote on
4c today.
So I would like to get a motion
for fort a, b, d through f.
>> I think it might be 4d.
>> Chair Jefferson: I'm so
sorry.
I circled the wrong one.
I would like to get a motion
for b, c, d and f. Any
discussion on these items?
Let's go ahead and take a vote
.
>> vote unanimous.
>> Chair Jefferson: from what I
understand for item 4b and that
is to commemorate the life and
legacy of gerald e. Connolly,
supervisor bailey, you want to
take a picture with everyone?
>> Andrea Bailey: with your
permission.
>> Chair Jefferson: yes.
What we can do is we will go
through all of these and take a
photo and we will hold for b we
will hold for the very end.
> Andrea Bailey: if I made
make a request on that.
Misses, I'm not sure mrs.
conley is in the audience yet
and karen is outside waiting
for her.
So if we could take her last.
>> Chair Jefferson: that's what
I am saying.
We will take those last.
So I'm going to go down and you
have a couple of here,
supervisor bailey.
If you could join me for 4c and
then you will come down one
supervisor, lisa families here.
Do we have representatives from
mount olive baptist church
here?
Thank you for coming.
>> Chair Jefferson: commend
mount olive baptist church on
their 110th anniversary.
Mount olive was founded in
woodbridge virginia on OCTOBER
17, 1915 by members of the
mission sunday school.
Since MARCH 3, 2001 mount olive
baptist church has been led by
reverend ellis who created
pioneering and progressive
ministries to develop the
membership of the church on is
truly dedicated and determined
to lead his flock by example.
Under the spiritual guidance of
reverend ellis, not all of
continues its growth as a
church, as one family that
believes in caring, sharing and
loving.
Over the course of its
long history, the mount olive
baptist church congregation has
navigated through rough seas,
dark nights and is faced the
tempest and many storms, but
through adult they learn to
trust in their faith in one
another.
Therefore today the prince
william county board of
supervisors hereby commends the
congregation amount all the
baptist church on its 110th
anniversary.
Reverend ellis, do you have any
words for us?
Knowing you are a pastor.
Let's keep it brief.
>> it's dangerous
to give a
pastor a microphone.
Thank you so much
.
Thank you CHAIRMAN Jefferson
then to the prince william
county board of supervisors on
those who are present.
Thank you so much for this
honor.
I always saw myself as a
football player, obviously not
in statute.
Meaning is a pastor you get to
be face of the congregation,
but in reality he represents
some dedicated and faithful
people who are of course not
here today.
So I want to say thank you for
recognizing and honoring the
memory, the faith, and the
courage little known to many
people
, the chin family members
establishment all the baptist
church.
Nd of course the name
mary jane graces are aquatic in
library.
It was her children who start
amount all the baptist church
and whose shoulders I now stand
upon.
With the assistance of the
neabsco baptist church, all of
us had a part in this community
OCTOBER 17, 1915.
So thank you all so much for
honoring us.
And I'm just so privileged to
accept this on behalf of know
all of baptist church
congregation.
Thank you so much.
[Applause]
>> Chair Jefferson: and then we
will take a quick photo.
>> Chair Jefferson: we are
going to hold 4b and then 4c
said, supervisor bailey, if you
would come down for that.
And anyone associated with the
family caregivers proclamation
.
National family caregivers
month, please come to the
podium.
>> Andrea Bailey: thank you
MADAM Chair.
It's a pleasure to do this
today.
As a caregiver for my mom, it's
always a blessing first of all
to be a caregiver but to
acknowledge those who focus on
the art and the prayerful
service of caregiving.
So with that, family caregivers
are the backbone of our
communities providing
compassion and care and
unwavering support to loved
ones who are aging, ill, or
living with disabilities.
They provide billions of hours
of unpaid care every year.
Often balancing work, family
life and health challenges
along the way
.
NOVEMBER is recognized
nationally as a family
caregivers month
, time to
celebrate the selfless
dedication
, strength, and
commitment and love of millions
of americans who care for
family members and friends
.
my recognizing national family
caregivers month, we shine a
light on their experiences and
provided direct pathway to the
resources, community, and
support they deserve.
Therefore today, the prince
william county board of
supervisors hereby proclaims
NOVEMBER 2025 as national
family caregivers month in
prince william county.
Congratulations
.
>> good afternoon manager
jefferson the members of the
board.
Director of social services.
Today I have with me my deputy
director
, [Name] The assistant
director or advocacy prevention
and protection better known as
app.
Josh is here from aging.
And laura
.
Don.
Thank you.
Adult daycare.
Great.
Thank you.
We are here today to jointly
accept this proclamation.
Caregivers, under their family
members, friends and
professional staff, give
extraordinary support older
adult, individuals with
disabilities and those who
cannot care for themselves.
I understand the importance of
the roll and responsibility of
being a caretaker.
As I was my mother's caretaker
for several years at the age of
23 after she had a massive
stroke.
Sometimes as caregivers you MAY
feel forgotten as a lotta
emphasis MAY be placed on
individuals who are new to
care.
The love and commitment and
support that is provided is
very important much
appreciated.
I would like to thank ras team,
in-home providers, community
partners and friends of family
who show up every day to
provide support and care.
Thank you again for this
proclamation in your continued
support to allow us to serve
constituents of the county.
[Applause]
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Let's go take a photo.
>> Chair Jefferson: next we
have 4e to proclaim NOVEMBER
2029 small business saturday.
Will everyone associated with
small business saturday please
come forward?
Do we have economic development
here?
All right.
I will go ahead and read it.
Small business saturday
celebrated annual between black
friday and cyber monday is a
day dedicated to supporting the
small businesses that help
create jobs, boost the economy,
and keep communities thriving
across the country.
Since 2010 small business
saturday has illustrated the
significance of supporting
small independently owned
businesses across the country.
Prince william county through
the county department of
economic development is
committed to supporting small
businesses to grading jobs and
to preserving our communities
unique culture prince william
county small business program
established in DECEMBER 2019
has assistant small businesses
to great when and 63 milena p
prince william county is
joining local governments
throughout the country to
acknowledge and celebrate small
business saturday.
Therefore today the prince
william county board of
supervisors hereby proclaim
saturday, NOVEMBER 29, 2025 a
small business saturday and
encourages our community
support small businesses on
small business saturday and
throughout the year.
Going to go international
adoption date and then we will
get back to 4b.
With everyone associated with
national adoption date please
come forward?
All right.
Prince william county
recognizes the importance of
giving children permanent,
safe, and loving families to
adoption.
More than 100,000 children and
the nazis foster care system
are waiting to be adopted.
More than 800 children in the
virginia foster care system are
waiting to be adopted in more
than 15 children in the prince
william county foster care
system have or have the goal of
adoption.
To help these children find
permanent nurturing families
,
the local courts of the 31st
judicial district will open
their doors to celebrate
national adoption day saturday,
NOVEMBER 22, 2025, to finalize
a mechanized the adoptions of
local children and join other
organizations to celebrate all
adoptions
.
Therefore today the prince
william county board of
supervisors hereby joins the
department of social services
proclaiming NOVEMBER 22, 2025,
as national adoption day.
Prince william county will
celebrate NOVEMBER 22, 2025.
Prince william county will
continue to urge all citizens
to join in a national effort to
raise awareness about the
importance of adoption.
Do you have any words he would
like to say?
>> good afternoon again MADAM
Chair and members of the board.
Director of social services.
Today I have with me my team,
deputy director holly handy,
jessica Mccauley who is
assistant director of family
support
services, diane human
services manager, fan support
services unit and cheryl
Mcmullen who is a services
caseworker.
Both for the adoption program.
Prince william county
department of social services
is proud of the work we do to
promote safety for children for
whom we serve and protect.
It is our thought children who
live in permanent homes, caring
adoptive parents have an
opportunity to thrive and grow
into healthy adults.
Adoption is an alternative that
provides family life for
children who can biological
parents.
T provides an
opportunity for those children
to find forever homes
.
We all desire to be connected
to someone, and family is the
foundation that keeps us with
it.
This saturday is mentioned
NOVEMBER 22 we will celebrate
our 22nd national adoption date
and recognize nine families
that will become a forever home
for a child
.
I'm hoping you will be able to
celebrate with us.
I am proud to accept the
proclamation on behalf of the
department
, and as always, we
thank you for your continued
support and the recognition for
the work that we do.
Thank you.
[Applause]
>> Chair Jefferson: let's go
ahead and take another photo.
All right.
And supervisor bailey
, if you
and MRS. Connolly can come up
and anyone else you have and
then we will take a picture for
this out in the atrium.
>> Andrea Bailey: thank you
MADAM Chair.
It is the excitement and great
joy I present this to our
citizens today.
On behalf of our friend jerry
connolly.
Congressman gerald e. Connolly
,
jerry as we know him, dedicated
his life to public service
representing the people of
northern virginia with vision,
integrity, love, and an
unwavering commitment to the
common good.
Is a member of the united
states house of representatives
for virginia's 11th
congressional district,
congressman connolly worked
tirelessly to ensure prince
william county in the entire
northern virginia region
received a strong federal
advocacy on critical issues
such as transportation
infrastructure
, economic
development
, veteran services,
and public education.
He was instrumental in
advancing regional
transportation initiatives such
as improvements to the I-95
corridor
, expansion of the
virginia railway express
, and
the extension of mass transit
options
.
Enhancing mobility and economic
opportunity for residents of
prince william county.
Congressman connolly was a
tireless advocate for public
service, federal employees, and
military families recognizing
their contributions to the
nation and ensuring prince
william county
, home to the
thousands of these individuals,
was well represented and well
served.
And therefore today the prince
william county board of county
supervisors hereby commends,
honors, and remembers
congressman gerald e. Connolly
for his exemplary public
service, his steadfast advocacy
for the people of northern
virginia, and his enduring
contributions to the progress
and prosperity of prince
william county.
Is wife, ladies and gentlemen.
[Applause]
>> thank you very much
supervisor bailey.
Thank you MADAM CHAIRMAN and
all the members of the board
and supervisors.
And bring greetings from my
daughter who you don't want to
have in person because she is
sick.
We both thank you for this
recognition, this honor
.
You should know one of the
saddest days of jerry's life
was when he was redistricted
out of prince william county.
He loved this community and he
loved spending time here with
you all.
Friday marks six months since
he passed.
Jerry was fundamentally as a
human being and as a public
servant others centered.
When he asked you how are you,
how are you doing, he actually
wanted to hear the answered.
It mattered to him.
It matter that if you had a
problem
, if you had an issue,
mother regardless of your party
or your circumstances, you are
a constituent of his or even
somebody he worked with or were
new that he was able to help.
He would step in to try to make
a difference.
Jerry understood what my needs
are, what my once are do not
help further our country or
democracy.
He understood public service is
about the other.
They
understood that effectiveness
mattered.
That getting elected was just
getting the job.
then you had to do it once he
were elected.
I cannot thank you enough for
this honor.
You all hold a special place in
our hearts as well.
Nd I want
to also thank you for the work
you do as others centered
public servants.
You make a difference.
Please keep up the good work
and in jerry's name, in your
own names, it doesn't matter.
In the publix name it matters.
Thank you so much.
[Applause]
>> Chair Jefferson: I would
like to invite all the board
members to come down for this
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
everyone.
We are moving to agenda item
number five and that is the
consent agenda.
I wanted to
see if there was anyone on the
board who would like to pull
anything off from the consent
agenda?
Supervisor vega
.
>> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM
Chair.
Item 5n
.
>> Chair Jefferson: 5n as in
nancy.
Anyone else?
All right.
Seeing none I would like to get
a motion.
Hold on.
You don't know what I could be
asking for a motion for.
I would like a motion from 5a
through 5m and 50 through 5e.
It has been moved and properly
second in.
Any discussion on these items.
>> Tom Gordy: 5w as the last
.
>> Chair Jefferson: 5n
.
5w.
Did you want to pull that?
>> it has been withdrawn.
That one has been withdrawn.
Supervisor angry.
>> Victor Angry: real quick
on 50
, q, r we have been
talking about the courts
district and we are in the
phases where the pain starts.
We are going to start seeing a
lot of movement of dirt,
trucks, construction signs.
Again, if you don't need to be
in the area of prince william
pkwy.
, find alternates.
I hate to put it that way but
this is going to get on until
we get the construction done.
Of course you know it is high
which is a single-point urban
interchange.
Copyright.
Okay.
That road is a major
construction road because we
heard and I heard that when we
do developments we don't
improve.
You are going to see parkway
going under many ville.
We have already had one town
hall meeting on this and we
will be having another real
soon because the next phase we
are in.
If you are not on my email list
I would ask for folks listening
in, shoot me an email, go to
the website neabsco news.Org.
Get on the list so you can come
out in here all the changes
that have taken place and
really be a part of the
discussion, any questions you
have that we could answer.
This is going to take a couple
of years, but at the end of all
of this he will be -- what we
have.
Thank you MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: does anyone
else want to comment on
anything?
Supervisor bailey.
>> Andrea Bailey: thank you
MADAM Chair.
I just want to thank our fire
department facilities
department for the movement on
fire stations happen.
Every incremental movement is
great.
Might appreciate you keeping an
eye on the prize making sure
the fire station is there.
In terms of public safety and
taking care of our citizens.
Thank you MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much.
I would like to go ahead and
call the vote.
>> cote unanimous.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you.
We are now going to go to 5n.
Supervisor vega
.
>> Yesli Vega: I understand we
are voting to authorize the
public hearing.
Still remain
fundamentally opposed to this
initiative even starting so I
wanted to see that for the
record.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Thank you.
Are there any additional
speakers?
If not I would like to get a
motion on 5n.
It has been properly moved and
seconded.
any discussion?
All right.
Let's go ahead and take a vote
on that item.
>> motion passes 7/1 supervisor
vega voting no.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Think is a very much.
We are moving to agenda item 6
and that is public comment
time.
I already have a sign-up sheet.
Going to call people up in
groups of five.
When I ask people that everyone
in the board room please take a
seat.
So going to have -- and I
apologize if I cannot make out
the handwriting.
Leave fay jones, brian landrum,
ron sachs, chris bley zia and
so everyone a few general
pointers make sure you speak
quickly and to the microphone.
On the screen it will have a
much time you have.
Please begin by stating your
name on the magisterial
district where you reside.
>> good afternoon.
My name is leif e jones and I
reside down the street.
I am new to this
.
The only comment that I wanted
to make is in reference to I
guess 7f with the kings grove
that is potentially going to be
here on
the corner.
My only concern with that is
the entry way to that facility
.
I would recommend the only
entryway to that facility is
going to be on black forest
lane, not prince will then
parkway because prince will
deem are quite is already a
backlog trying to
be in that
right-hand lane.
That is really my only comment
.
I don't know how the process
works but I did want to give my
opinion on that.
>> Chair Jefferson: generally I
will just give you -- the
public comment time you can
speak.
What you are referring to is
7f.
We have a separate process for
that
.
If you want you can speak again
and
that time or if you are
finished with the comments and
are satisfied you don't have to
speak again.
>> that is my, unless you speak
to something.
>> Chair Jefferson: I like
that.
Next speaker.
>> brian landrum, gainesville
district
.
MADAM Chair and supervisors,
thank you for the opportunity
to speak today on behalf of the
architecture review board about
agenda item 10 c the request
for $85,000 out of cycle
funding to develop the overlay
district design guidelines.
Thank you to the board for your
commitment to historic
preservation including the
recent purchase of ongoing
rehabilitation of the williams
goss house and the net
distiller home and thank you
supervisor for your
leadership
securing that funding and
moving the project forward.
it's a once in a generation
opportunity to preserve an
incredible piece of our shared
history.
Our county should be proud of
frank washington on the
thoroughfare community for
working diligently to ensure
future generations have the
opportunity to experience the
rich history represented there.
These design guidelines are
critical piece of the overlay
district project and out of
cycle funding is key to
ensuring it stays on schedule
pickup respect we request you
approve item 10 c on the out of
cycle
funding request for
the
thoroughfare design guidelines.
Thank you very much.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you.
Next speaker, please.
>> Public Speaker: I'm chris,
brentsville district.
Thanks for letting me speak and
I do want to apologize to the
board.
I am a debbie downer.
I haven't been at
these meetings
because I do travel a lot.
But I just recently got laid
off.
As well as many other people in
virginia.
I just want to mention to the
board, priorities.
E are all
prince with them county
residents.
And I say that because I get
all these mailings and flyers
about data centers, personal
property taxes
.
I'm hoping the board has
priorities over this because
now I am hearing data centers
are taking public locations
like retail or nurseries and
providing lots of money to
build data centers.
I didn't know that was prince
williams goals or directives.
I'm sorry I didn't make any
meetings because I am
supporting my family every day.
There's a lot of state
.
I flight a lot.
And I know there are probably a
lot of other objectives the
board can work with other
politicians.
I am sure we can get rid of
property tax in general we know
it goes in the general fund.
And I just want the board to
put priorities that the prince
william property tax.
These are all the things you
mentioned running for office so
I would really like that to be
a priority.
Thank you for your time.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you.
Next speaker, please.
>> Public Speaker: I'm ron.
I live in the -- district and I
guess I am talking to all of
the
board members.
Ecently we
lost a bus stop.
>> Chair Jefferson: can you
move the microphone closer?
We can barely hear you.
>> Public Speaker: anyway, we
lost a bus stop.
Two weeks
, woodbridge high
school, fred lynn student and
occoquan elementary
students.
They did not have any
information that they had
eliminated this bus stop.
i tried to get in contact with
them
.
Their computers were down
.
And radical with the telephone.
No response
.
I don't understand think they
been there for 60 years.
I
collect cans and I go ahead and
give the money to the kids when
they get off the bus at the end
of the school year so they want
opportunity to go swimming at
hammer mill pool.
This year was six dollars
.
But anyway, one of the problems
is the eliminated.
They are not going to put it
back.
I know we got information a
couple years ago that they are
changing the times of the bus
stop
.
It was on the paperwork of MR.
Lint.
He is the principle of occoquan
school.
He is not the one that
initiates this.
Do you want everyone to call
MR. Lint the principal about
the bus stop times?
It's crazy.
Whoever the entity was was made
anonymous.
We want the bus
stop back.
What is a child's life worth.
And then have people going up
to kilby.
They are
walking up these hills
I see, snowy.
I don't understand
.
have you ever pushed a carriage
up a hill with two kids?
I mean, it's difficult.
I don't know how you feel about
it, but can you even read and
write?
The declaration of independence
was written
.
Does no more writing in the
public schools.
What's going
on?
I'm blessed I went to a private
school.
Catholic school.
My time is running out.
Thank you for the time and good
luck on the valley drive.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank
you so
very much.
We are going to be moving on to
promote public
comment time and
I ask people, if you would
like to please have a seat.
Supervisor bailey, do we have
anyone signed up.
>> Andrea Bailey: we do,
MADAM Chair.
Re we ready?
[Inaudible]
I don't have anybody online as
of right now
.
>> Andrea Bailey: okay.
MADAM Chair, back to you.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much.
We are going to move to agenda
item number seven and that is
public hearings.
Before I opened the public
hearings I want to see if
anyone on the dais had any
questions or wanted any
clarification.
Supervisor boddye.
>> Kenny Boddye: before we get
to the public hearings
,
supervisor angry and I have
something we have to read.
Before the board holds a public
hearing and consider some votes
on item 7a which budget and
appropriate school board
carryover funds, I need to
declare a personal interest in
this matter.
School employee my wife is a
school employee.
The my wife and I are members
of a group affected by this
matter.
We are participating because I
know we can do so fairly,
objectively and in the public
interest.
>> Kenny Boddye: before the
board holds a public hearing
and vote on item 7a which
budget and appropriate school
board carryover funds I need to
declare personal interest in
the matter.
My wife is a school employee.
Is a schools employee my wife
and I are members of a group
affected by this matter.
I will be participating in this
matter because I am able to do
so fairly, objectively, and in
the public interest.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much.
Supervisor franklin?
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
well, I wanted to separate out
items.
I'm not sure if we are there
yet.
Want to separate out 7c.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
All right.
Actually, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to open the public
hearing for everything and then
we will take 7c separately.
all right.
I'm going to open the public
hearing for seven a through f
.
Right now I have two people
signed up to speak.
The rules are you have similar
to public comment time you have
three
minutes.
The timer is going to be on the
screen.
If you're speaking as a
representative for a recognized
group, 501(C)(3), you have up
to five minutes
.
I have two people currently
signed up.
Again, state your name and
where you resign.
I have miriam and paula.
If you both make your way up to
the back.
Right over there.
>> my name is miriam.
I am here to speak on the kings
grove development.
>> Chair Jefferson: if you
could step into the microphone.
>> Public Speaker: I am a
homeowner in the reeds prospect
hoa which is across the street
from where this development is
being planned.
I have been a homeowner there
for 12 years
.
We have concerns about a
growing trend we have seen in
residential development in
which the integration of rental
apartment units into hoa under
the broad a misleading label of
multifamily housing units
.
We believe some developers MAY
be using the terminology to
obscure their true intent,
introducing rental units to
traditionally owner-occupied
communities.
This practice not only misleads
potential homeowners but can
also compromise their voting
rights and influence within the
hoa.
So this is what has happened
with reeds prospect which is
right across the street.
It was originally developed to
include 200 condo unit
.
That is what was approved by
the board of supervisors in 314
single family homes and
townhouses
.
Those units were later
transitioned into apartment
units
, but the documents that
were drafted by the same law
firm representing this
development here
, which is the
law firm of walsh belushi,
billy and walsh, drafted our
documents in such a misleading
manner so that now the 200
apartment units have 200 votes
in our hoa which are cast by
one person.
So the entire time I lived
there are hoa has been
effectively, practically, and
absolutely controlled by the
interests of one person.
Our hoa has put together
several collective actions
because we do have more votes
in the 200 but you can imagine
in our community we are a group
of homeowners, many thorough
workers for folks who don't
have english as their first
language so that kind of
collective action problem.
This represents a petition we
have worked to get signed as
well as proxy votes to try to
reclaim our voting rights this
has been met
, led by an hoa
attorney which they have hired
using their own funds to spend
$70,000 rejecting our efforts
this year.
So my concern regarding this
community.
We met last year with kenny
boddye office.
They said there's nothing we
can do to help with this
because this is a ready been
developed and plan.
My concern is having forward
when I look at the description
of these multifamily units
, two
over to mixed with attached
townhouses, my concern is you
guys protect homeowners who
make sure they can have the
same thing happened to them but
this is not a business deal for
us as it is the apartments,
this is our personal
investment.
>> Chair Jefferson: next
speaker, please.
>> Public Speaker: I and paula
kaiser with occoquan district.
I just want to discuss the
kings grove.
Last time kings grove was
brought to the planning meeting
there were several people who
spoke on the problem, the
issues with the schools
, the
traffic, congestion on the
parkway.
What I am here for is about the
dog park being adjacent to the
well house that is next door
.
I haven't heard on any of these
issues.
I don't know what is planned to
address any of those issues.
That is just what I wanted to
say.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much.
Do we have anyone signed up to
speak remotely?
>> Andrea Bailey: I have one
person.
Do we have anyone on remote?
>> we do not have anyone on
remote.
>> Andrea Bailey: okay.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: I would
like to close the public
hearings for seven a through f.
I would also like to request I
believe the first speaker said
she had a petition.
If you would like to share it
with the clerk?
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
For agenda item seven I have a
request to pull off 7c and e.
And so we are going to take
those up individually and
separately.
Does anyone on the board have
questions because if not I
would like to get a motion for
7a, b, e and f
.
>> Andrea Bailey: a move.
>> Kenny Boddye: second.
>> Chair Jefferson: properly
moved and seconded.
Going to discussion.
>> Kenny Boddye: I didn't know
where to jump in on that but I
wanted to give -- to the
response.
>> Chair Jefferson: sorry.
This is the consolidated land
use
.
These are things that I've gone
through expedited.
So I would like to go ahead and
have our discussion.
Does any -- supervisor vega and
then boddye.
>> Yesli Vega: I have a few
questions on item 7a.
>> Chair Jefferson: hold on.
Had asked earlier if anyone
from the dais at any questions
.
Not a big deal.
Would you like to withdraw your
chance to speak?
Supervisor boddye.
>> Kenny Boddye:
I just wanted
to speak very quickly on 7f.
Good to see you again.
I know how you had more time I
understand and I hear you.
I know our offices and working
with our state delegates on the
state to try to work their
common interests and I know it
is frustrating because there's
only so much we can do so I
wanted to say first I hear you.
But I know something you've
been here before on is the
signal light to speak to one of
my other constituents, the
traffic backing up all the way
to the intersection there is
real
.
We would be hopefully fixing
that with the old bridge rd.
In
prince william parkway
realignment.
But with this will be putting
in the signal that is supposed
to have been there for
quite a
while.
It will warrant it based on the
traffic generation from kings
grove
.
I know a lot of people who want
to come out of reeds prospect
and turn left currently are
taking their lives into their
own hands by doing so.
Flashing yellow light, I don't
know why they did that but we
are aware we are with this
kings grove project it would be
a fully signalized intersection
that would allow people to
safely move through that more
freely and more safely.
This project does deliver 239
homes in a time people are
struggling to find homes that
are affordable.
It does obtain 24 new dwelling
units per gefilte counties
goals
a mixed-use development.
On that side of prince william
pkwy. It is all commercial pick
on the prospect site it's a
mixed-use.
On this site it is all
commercial.
When we talk about mixed use we
are actually bringing the
housing to that side to the
parkway to deliver a real
mixed-use area in that part.
This makes a small but
important step toward making
the county more affordable and
livable for close to this
employment center here, close
to retail, shopping.
There are bookends on the
parkway side and the hoadley
side.
This is the kind of place we
want to see more housing.
I wanted to say thank you to
the applicant in
planning staff
working through this one and I
will of course be supporting
it.
thank you MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
bailey?
>> Andrea Bailey: if you could
remind me who hold item 7e.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
vega.
>> Andrea Bailey: okay.
Thank you very much.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
I don't see any other
questions.
We are going to take a vote for
7a, b, d and f.
>> vote unanimously when we are
going to move to agenda item
7c.
Did you have any questions
supervisor vega?
That was c?
Supervisor franklin.
Okay.
All right.
So would like to entertain a
motion for 7c did you have a
question?
>> George Stewart: I was going
to make a motion.
>> Chair Jefferson: it has been
properly moved with and
seconded.
Supervisor franklin?
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
generally have not been
supportive of creating or
expanding homebase gun
businesses
.
And suggest keeping with that.
I will be voting no
.
>> Chair Jefferson: any further
discussion?
I am simply going
to abstain from this one.
I recognize the applicant has a
lot of support.
And giving this more or less to
keep a precedent.
So I will go ahead and call for
the vote.
>> motion passes 5/2
supervisors bailey and franklin
voting no, chair jefferson
abstaining from the vote.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much in the other item is
7e.
>> Tom Gordy: moved to approve.
>> Andrea Bailey: second.
>> Chair Jefferson: any
questions where discussion on
this one?
Supervisor vega.
>> Yesli Vega: earlier this
year we had a presentation from
the chief and I know supervisor
gordy, there has been some
concern in regards to access to
emergency services
.
And so I wanted at least some
type of clarification in
regards to what the plan is
.
It is my understanding based on
the staff report that this does
follow outside the four-minute
travel time for emergency
response and I just want to
know what the plan is in
regards to that.
Not sure if it is for you or
for alice to respond to.
>> I will say we have a new
fire station planned.
It is programmed that is going
to help mitigate this probably
in the time from its
construction for this
development.
It is on wellington road not
more than two miles from its
location that is going to help
us solve the problem in the
area.
But I note it is pretty much in
this entire area.
We do desperately need more
fire support and I know the
chief, that is a priority for
him.
He has been working on getting
the and the news station on
wellington road is going to
help us get that.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Thank you so very much.
If there is no further
discussion I would like to get
a motion.
Sorry, we already have one on
the floor
.
Since there is no further
discussion, let's go ahead and
take the vote.
>> vote unanimous
.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Thank you so very much.
We are now going to go to
agenda item 8 and that is
county executive time.
>> MS. Roble:
>> MR. Shorter: good afternoon.
This is a bit of a surprise to
the team but I wanted to use
this as an opportunity to
really give recognition to our
transportation transformation
management office.
All of them behind me here in
the board chambers of.
They have two years ago this
office was created.
And I will tell you
, they have
become a model team and a model
organization.
We are getting calls from
jurisdictions around the
country and certainly here in
the commonwealth about the work
of transformation.
They been responsible
initiating 41 countywide
projects
.
Nine community-based projects
around the county and have been
doing absolutely phenomenal
work.
I wanted to take this
opportunity to recognize them
as they are transitioning out
in a new group of leaders will
be taking over in
transformation management.
The team has also transformed
key functions modernizing
processes and permitting land
acquisition, planning,
procurement, transportation
projects and community
outreach.
The team is also
supported the launch of offices
such as sustainability,
community safety.
We are very close as we get to
FEBRUARY to coming back to the
board for your consideration
with the department of
transportation and capitol
construction, which will merge
much of our construction and
capitol efforts.
The team has been absolutely
phenomenal making much of that
happened and supporting it
across the county and they have
strengthened the customer
experience by mapping
processing and permitting,
planning libraries, public
works in the clerks office.
Really wanted to express
appreciation for the great work
they have done with a small
token and I have one
certificate for each of the
leaders within pmo.
I'm going to read the
certificate.
Why don't you all come on down
.
[Applause]
So MADAM Chair, this
certificate reads "certificate
of appreciation and recognition
of your outstanding dedication
and leadership to the
transformation management
office during 2024 through 2025
and this is signed by me and I
have one for each of our
phenomenal leaders in
transformation management.
Lisa, do you want to say a few
words?
>> on behalf of myself and
team, I want to thank you for
your innovative idea of this
opportunity.
We have had a great two years
getting to know the county
more, working across
departments
.
We loved being able to enhance
the customer experience and
offer meaningful and impactful
solutions and really just we
will take these tools and
skills back on are really
excited and thankful and really
excited it's continuing and
that the need two for the
office is valued and have
really been beneficial.
Thank you all
.
Thank you.
>> Kenny Boddye: MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
boddye
.
>> Kenny Boddye: I would be
remiss if I didn't mention for
the publix benefit that there
is a podcast.
If people didn't
know, they actually have their
own podcast.
It is for the good content so I
want to put it out for public
benefit.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
thank you so very much.
I'm laughing because you are
tall.
>> MR. Shorter: thank you all
very much.
You can have a seat.
We are going to be
transitioning to a new timo.
Mandy has been named our next
transformation management chief
and she will be starting next
month.
Again, I wanted to use this as
an opportunity to say thank
you.
It's not every day and of
course we have the members of
the t mo here, but I will tell
you dozens and dozens of staff
across the county who had to
backfill them in the agency
also had two years of training
and professional development so
want to thank all of them for
serving on those active roles
as well
.
While I am here I wanted to go
ahead and provide the update I
always provide different cxo
time.
There were seven new
directives issued in our last
meeting.
Staff was directed to work with
the towing advisory board and
return in six months with a
report on data points in any
safety concerns or other
impacts related to the updates
to the towing ordinance this
directive was assigned to the
police department.
We were asked to provide a
report one year from now.
That includes an analysis of
the effectiveness of the noise
ordinance.
Any violations found, any
potential revisions to the
noise ordinance that needs to
be made on this was assigned to
our public works department.
Three, we were asked to develop
an inventory of all boards,
committees, commissions,
advisory and/or working groups
established by the board via
resolution or directive.
This directive was assigned to
the clerk of the board.
We
were asked to identify land to
purchase in the woodbridge
magisterial district suitable
to the development of the
community recreation center and
bring back appropriate
regulations for the board
consideration but this
directive was assigned to parks
and ffm.
Five, we were asked to develop
recommendations for
establishing a county owned and
maintained history museum
picked this directive was
assigned to parks
, facilities,
fleet management and to
planning.
Six, we were asked to develop
and present a framework for the
establishment of an
agricultural and forest reserve
picked this directive was
assigned to finance budget,
planning and public works.
And then finally, we were asked
to follow up to previous
directive to expedite the
exploration of the elimination
of the datacenter opportunity
zone overlay district in this
directive was assigned to
planning.
There were three directives
closed since our last meeting.
Response to explore options for
establishing additional
community gardens on county
owned property in the follow-up
directive to add a potential
botanical garden at fackler
park was sent earlier this
month to the board.
And finally response to develop
a recommendation for a new
framework to leverage the power
the arts was provided to the
board last week.
Yes, so those were all the
directives opened and closed.
I would also like to express
real excitement about an
opportunity.
And I will have the chief to
come up and talk a bit about
this for a minute or two
because it is such a big deal
for our county.
The county fire rescue system
is introducing two major
lifesaving advancements here in
the county.
Nce I got word
that we had gotten to this
point, I wanted the chief to
come up and talk about this
because I really wanted the
board to have awareness of it
but also our community to have
awareness of it.
Chief?
Are you around?
>> I appreciate you raising the
podium before I got here
.
Good afternoon.
Tom, your fire chief.
MADAM Chair, members of the
board, I am always excited.
I am always so proud of the
career volunteers staff of the
amazing fire rescue system.
Even more so when are able to
give them the resources they
need to literally save lives of
our residents and citizens.
Our two programs I want to talk
about.
The first will we will be
introducing ultrasound and that
means we would be able to look
inside of patients.
E will
look at whether or not they are
having congestive heart
failure, whether it is a
copd
issue or they have a collapsed
lung.
Also be able to see if their
heart has actually stopped.
All of those are incredibly
helpful in the field.
The second, just as exciting is
we will be delivering whole
blood in the field.
That means
when an individual has a
dramatic injury and is bleeding
out, right now we don't have
the ability unless we call
another community to provide
whole blood to that person on
scene.
We will have the ability around
the first week of DECEMBER
.
And I can tell he
unquestionably
, that will save
the lives of people in this
community who currently die
because we can't do it.
I'm also excited because we are
able to do this without asking
for resources and that's always
a good spot to be in.
As all
of you know, we've been looking
to try to be efficient with our
ems model.
We are continuing down that
road
.
The last two things is we could
not have possibly gotten this
done if you haven't approved
doctor.
[Name] To be our medical
director.
Most do you know I have a fair
amount of energy.
I'm not sure where he gets his
from.
He is bringing forward amazing
things for us.
This is a perfect example of
what we have been able to
accomplish with this medical
director.
I really enjoy working with
him.
In the last piece is this
saturday a volunteer station on
f st. We are going to be having
a blood drive because you can't
give out whole blood if you
don't have blood.
The good news is saturday from
8:00to 1:00.
The chief and I will be the
first to know the good news is
if you wait yourself beforehand
and after you will lose weight.
I really encourage everyone
listening to this to come out
from 8:00to 1:00 to our blood
drive
.
And a special shout out to.
[Name] Helping with this.
[Applause]
>> MR. Shorter: absolutely
amazing.
Ou can understand
why I wanted to have the chief
deliver that message.
It is such great news for our
community and for all of those
who will be helped by our
system in the future.
I wanted to quickly recognize
if you employees for their
outstanding work.
Big thanks to our planning
office in communication and
engagement for creating a small
area plan hub on the pwc works
platform
, on the pwc works
website.
We are going to have the
next
time we are together on
DECEMBER 2, the planning
office talk about what's
happening on pwc works and
highlight advancements they
have made.
Not just the smaller implants
but there been some other
advancements we want to
highlight.
Last but certainly not least, I
want to give a big shout out to
all of those involved in
responding to the gas leak
incident last friday.
I know that a few of you will
probably talk this as well at
some point.
The event necessitated in the
evacuation of 65 townhomes
leading to the need to
immediately shelter 82 people,
11 of whom were children at
woodbridge high school on
friday.
30 adults
, two children were
further assisted by further
emergency management and red
cross services and they could
not return home after the
emergency repair due to the
loss of heat.
We believe the certainly thanks
and recognition are in order
.
There are so many agencies that
had a roll to play in this
process.
We were able to accomplish what
we believe was one of the
largest if not the largest
emergency evacuations that has
happened for the purpose of how
to this hazardous material
relief in recent history
.
We did that seamlessly and
humanely and I wanted to
recognize all the agencies
involved.
Are prince william county
department of fire and rescue,
occoquan woodbridge volunteer
fire department, nokesville
volunteer department, prince
william emergency management,
prince william public safety
communications.
Of course prince william county
police, red cross, washington
gas, prince william department
of services, omni right in
prince william public schools
all played a part we want to
recognize the great work that
happened last friday.
[Applause]
That is all for me.
>> Chair Jefferson: hold on
supervisor franklin?
>> Margaret Angela Franklin: a
quick question.
I know a month ago you sent our
campaign that included a law of
important data points
.
I was also wondering whenever
you decide to schedule an
actual presentation for the
board if it can include our
marketing strategy for the --
whatever we are calling it.
The raccoon.
>> MR. Shorter: we absolutely
will
.
They MAY or MAY not be
appearance.
I think we are planning to come
in DECEMBER with a presentation
and an update to the board.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
that is helpful.
i want to make sure we are
marketing in various parts of
the county, various modes
.
I haven't seen a lot but I'm in
the right places.
I'm certainly up and down route
1. I MAY have questions about
where exactly are we doing our
targeting and how effective is
the actual campaign.
I know the litter crew is doing
the work but we need to raise
awareness to residents so that
we all do better
.
>> MR. Shorter: happy to
include that.
>> Chair Jefferson: we did
speak about that and I
, for the
record.
I did not put her up to ask
about trash.
But I want everyone to know
whenever you pick up a piece of
litter, the spirit of trashy
lives within you.
I couldn't help it.
Love the
mom jokes.
Supervisor bailey?
>> Andrea Bailey: I wanted to
thank
, personally thank on
behalf of the board lisa as she
was a part of the team
.
One of the things I got scared
about was who is going to take
care of the crc.
And she took it with her.
She had two new assignments to
work with her team and I really
appreciate the delivery of the
crisis receiving center as you
embarked upon raising us up
with your team for prince
william county.
Your giftedness goes before
you.
So thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: we don't
have any further comments or
you can roll into agency time.
I'm sorry.
County attorney time.
>> MS. Roble: this afternoon in
session we will have
consultation with legal counsel
and briefings by staff members
pertaining to the discussion or
consideration of acquisition of
real property for public
purposes to include for public
safety and other public uses
where discussion in an open
meeting would adversely affect
the bargaining position in
litigating posture or
negotiating strategy of the
public body.
We will have a personal
discussion relating to the
appointments and officers of
the potomac and transportation
commission chair pro tem of
the
board.
Members of the board audit
committee, members of the joint
audit committee, and members
the metropolitan washington
council of governments climate
energy and environmental policy
committee and chesapeake bay
and water resource policy
committee.
We will personal discussions
relating to the animal
evaluation of the county
attorney and the county
executive or consultation in
briefing and discussion in an
open meeting would adversely
affect the bargaining position
in litigating posture and
negotiating strategy and these
are appropriate for closed
session pursuant to 2.2-3711 a,
one entry of the code of
virginia.
>> Andrea Bailey: the moved.
>> Kenny Boddye: second.
>> Chair Jefferson: properly
moved and seconded.
Let's go ahead and take our
vote.
>> vote unanimous
.
>> Chair Jefferson: okay.
Now we can do agency time.
>> MR. Shorter: thank you very
much.
I
want to thank the sheriff and
all our constitutional officers
.
I see the clerk here as well
for their willingness to come
down.
What we wanted to do, unlike
last year, is out of our
constitutional officers present
directly to the board their
budget as part of the, as we
get started in terms of the fy
27 budget development process
for the process as we talked
about during the committee
meeting this morning will move
forward in the way that it
always does.
But we won't wanted to make
sure constitutional officers
had an opportunity to present
to the board directly.
We are starting that process in
earnest with the sheriff and I
want to thank him again for
being here.
You can take it away.
>> I am sheriff glenn hill, I
am elected every four years to
serve prince william county and
the city of manassas and
manassas park.
My sincere thanks to the board
for giving me the opportunity
to come before you to present
the sheriff's office fy 27
budget request.
With me this afternoon as chief
deputy
, budget analyst whitney
brown
.
During my presentation I will
talk briefly about who we are,
how we serve our mandated
responsibilities in our
prevention program that
contributes to a better quality
of life for our community.
I will conclude my fy 27 budget
request and answer any
questions you MAY have.
Our mission statement explains
our commitment to our values
,
profession, and the community
we serve
.
Who we are.
The
sheriff's office the oldest
numbers agency established in
prince william county.
The police department was
established in 1970 to provide
law enforcement duties picked
the prince william manassas
regional jail operation begun
in 1982.
All court functions remain with
the sheriff's office, but we
collaborate with all public
safety agencies to maintain the
highest level of service for
our community.
This slide is a summary of how
we serve our mandated primary
responsibilities and how we
assist other law enforcement
agencies.
The most important position on
our organization chart is at
the top.
The citizens and community we
serve.
additionally the chart allows
everyone to see the chain of
command and understand the
structure and
functions of our
office.
Courthouse security.
Providing courthouse security
is one of the many mandated
responsibilities of a sure.
The court services division is
responsible upholding the
integrity of the judicial
process provisions office
provides 24 hours a committee
in and around the judicial
center complex
.
In fy 25 the courthouse screen
300,137 individuals who entered
the courthouse
.
Approximately 90 people who
entered the courthouse and
therefore court purposes
.
Some of them are uncomfortable
entering and being in the
courthouse
.
That is why I'm so proud of my
deputies who do an outstanding
job reading, screening, and
assisting
individuals, entering
the courthouse to make them
feel comfortable.
They also assist the physically
impaired and ensure businesses
know how to get to their
destination.
You won't find too many
courthouse is anywhere that
greet the public when they come
in and assist them.
Deputies off often respond to
unusual circumstances and
situations in and around the
courthouse and are often the
first responders when someone
suffers a medical emergency
.
Some officers have alarms in
case of an emergency.
We work with other agencies in
the courthouse to implement
evacuation procedures
.
Deputies escort individuals and
families to ensure their safe
departure from the courthouse.
Courtroom security.
Will
focus on courtroom security
because this is a function of
our office of the requesting
additional personnel.
The courthouse is 18 courtrooms
.
Where the second busiest
courthouse.
Our circuit court has seven
courtrooms
.
Court room deputies primary
responsibility is
to provide
security and maintain order in
the court room, including
inmate supervision.
And prince of them county
deputies provide support to the
clerks and managing jurors and
handle additional related tests
and other duties are courthouse
security and courtroom security
is a collective effort
.
Everyone, regardless of their
rank, including me and the
captains of rain, we must all
participate to ensure every
courtroom is properly staffed
and advanced preparation is
required
.
In other words, we plan days
before how we are going to
manage our courtrooms
.
two deputies are assigned to
each circuit court room.
Some cases require additional
deputies for security.
Jury movement and other
additional screening of
courtroom attendees before
court begins frequently maria
signs from other duties to
assist in our courtrooms
.
I will talk later about the
presentation about the deputies
assistant and his impact on the
duties and responsibilities are
to assist us with court
responsibilities, we utilize
off-duty jail officers reserve
deputies.
Our general district court past
five courtrooms
.
If one deputy is assigned to
each courtroom the deputies
assist in this courtroom
receive most of the assistance
from the deputies assigned to
the deployment and inmate
movement.
Juvenile and domestic relations
court is our third court.
Uvenile domestic relations
court has six courtrooms.
Ne
deputy assigned to each one of
those courtrooms
.
A new law went into effect JULY
1 permitting the use of
juvenile restraints unless
approved by a judge.
We now have a court order to
request a special hearing to
use restraints there's no
guarantee our request is going
to be granted and we have had
some interesting experiences in
supervising our juveniles.
People
are waiting to appear in
court frequently asked for
assistance involving security
and safety in the courthouse.
Many people we escort to the
vehicles are involved in cases
out of juvenile court.
Are controls in a dispatch
.
The sheriff's office public
safety telecommunications for
calls for service and the
judicial center complex called
transportation and other units
communicate with the
dispatchers.
Process deputies, the ones out
in our community communicate
with prince william county
dispatchers
.
They receive and process all
incoming calls for
this office.
Our public safety
telecommunications required to
complete dispatch basic
academy.
Additionally they maintain a
level of certification through
a virginia criminal information
network.
They monitor over 200 cameras
to assist courthouse deputies
pick they monitor and dispatch
50 emergency alarms throughout
the courthouse so a lot of
offices have those in their
offices and our dispatcher
monitors those
.
They also checked the movement
of inmates in the courthouse
throughout the courthouse on a
daily basis
.
Our employment personnel are
assigned to vertical implement
to receive inmates from the
adult detention center from
court.
inmates are then escorted to
and
from courtrooms within the
courthouse.
Inmates remain in our custody a
return to the adult detention
center to serve a sentence,
remain in custody pending a
court date or they MAY be
released.
They also take into custody
persons committed to adult
detention center and process
and for them to the adult
detention center
.
In fy 25 this section escorted
30,000 inmates to and from the
courthouse to the adult
detention center.
The live scan section is
responsible for mandated
processing of section sexual
offenders for persons convicted
of certain offenses are
processed and dna is collected
and sent to the state forensic
laboratory.
Persons released by the police
on a summons for violations are
processed by this section after
their court appearances.
They also assist people
requesting fingerprints for job
applications
.
We also conduct background
checks for citizens applying
for
concealed weapons.
In fy
25 we conducted 6002 at a 24
background checks
.
The background checks done to
assist the clerk of the court
issuing concealed weapons
permits
.
Our operations division and
some of our core functions
.
Civil process deputies are very
busy.
Deputies assigned to our civil
process of legal documents
within prince william county
and the city of manassas and
manassas park.
Most we serve are posted on the
property, but some require
personal service and are often
times consuming.
There are several documents we
serve the required two
deputies.
In fy 25 we serve 73,522
.
To the document are
convictions.
To complete the execution of an
eviction requires at least
three visits to the residence
even though we get one document
that is going to require
several visits to that
residence for can fy 25 we
executed 3091 evictions with
four deputies.
Most deputies I
have on my eviction squad.
We also executed 172 letters
and conducted for sheriff
sales.
Also in fy 25 to assist the
eviction squad because they
need assistance to get their
work done, the civil process
deputy served 512 if they are
in the area.
Sometimes we are in areas where
there is no police presence and
when car comes out the deputy
would assist the police
department.
Sometimes the deputies are the
first ones on the scene.
Funeral escorts are mandated.
It is not a mandated
responsibility.
you sheriff it is absolutely
necessary to provide the
service to our community.
We get a lotta nice letters
from the citizens about how.
I especially like the letters
who come from people who visit
our community are here from a
funeral and see how we provide
this service for our community.
In fy 25 this section performs
333 funeral escorts.
Providing funeral escorts sends
a message to our community and
businesses about who we are and
as an agency in prince william
county in the city of manassas
and manassas park.
When discussing earlier there
is a minute deputies from other
duties
, the difference we
normally pole to assist us
,
they are our civil process
deputies.
Transportation to and from
criminal justice facilities is
a challenging daily process,
mainly because of the distance
to other jails and facilities
in the state.
Next we have temporary
detention orders.
By virginia code, all persons
committed to facilities for
treatment are transported by
primary law
enforcement agencies
in that jurisdiction for prince
william county it is all our
police department.
Before the law changed about 10
years ago it was the sheriff's
office responsibility.
If the person is in crisis, is
a juvenile and eight number
eight detention order is issued
in the juvenile is medically
cleared for transport, it is
the police departments
responsibility to transport the
person in crisis.
By state law, the petition is a
subpoena notifying the parent
or guardian of the hearing date
and time location.
This petition can only be
served by a deputy sheriff.
Regardless of when this occurs,
the sheriff's office agrees to
do all juvenile transport for
our police department is office
assists the police department
transporting persons in crisis.
The other times during the week
my office agreed to do to
career eat detention order
transports.
Our agency agreed help because
I know our police department
are busy and when you have a
transport such as a person in
crisis it takes to officers to
do the transports.
So we assist them to keep the
officers on the street and I
have deputy sheriffs on call so
we can do the transport for our
police department.
In fy 25 this section a civil
transport totaled 4107 hours
spent.
In fy 25 we assisted the police
department during civil
transports totaling 3599.
Starting this fiscal year the
courts are now sending court
orders to our offices to
transport -- in prince within
county.
These transports are statewide
and require at least two
deputies to perform the
transports.
So far we have done 47 of these
transports this fiscal year.
By mandate the sheriff's office
is responsible for post
commitment hearing transports
to include transports to mental
hospitals in the commonwealth.
Please keep in mind for
cautionary reasons and safety
reasons, each transport
requires two deputies.
80 percent of our transports
are done with two deputies.
I do not feel comfortable
sending one deputy on a
transport by themselves who
deputies frequently travel to
facilities all across the
commonwealth of virginia.
Depending on what time they
leave prince william county and
distance traveled, they often
stay overnight and return the
following day which means they
are not available for duty the
next day
.
Warrants the warrant section
handles all support imposed
eviction warrants who can fy 25
the warrant section serves 773
warrants.
We work very closely with the
adult probation office to
apprehend and serve probation
violations.
We serve court order violations
and failure to appear in court
violations as well.
Court
order executions are very
powerful report example, a
child removal order requires a
minimum of four deputies to
transfer the child to the
custody of the other parent or
guardian.
Those situations can be
emotional, time-consuming and
it requires good communication
skills and patient.
Dditionally the section is
responsible for out-of-state x
traditions.
If the extradition involves
flying
, deputies are required
to be trained and certified to
fly while owned.
Are deputies ensure the average
of 30 traffic and one is
.
In other words, we are on the
street a law and we see people
violating the law speeding my
deputies occasionally will
write a speeding summons
.
Our administration division and
core functions of our
administration division.
Our human resources division is
responsible for recruitment and
our application processing.
Training all deputies on law
enforcement is a certified and
trained with law enforcement
certification., deputies are
also certified in civil process
and courtroom security.
Some
deputies our jails are defined
to maintain certification.
Our deputies also mandated to
attend 40 hours of in-service
training every two years.
We have several other training
requirements that exceed an
additional 80 hours
.
We have two deputies
permanently assigned to the
criminal justice academy.
Accreditation, we were the
first agency in the
commonwealth to be accredited
through the virginia law
enforcement professional
standards commission.
We just completed our seventh
accreditation assessment and
should receive our
certification certificate in
DECEMBER.
This section also handles all
of our internal affairs.
As of today -- okay.
Community services
.
Let me back up.
Our community services
.
We start with project
lifesaver.
We placed bracelets on seniors
with alzheimer's and autistic
children who tend to wander or
run away.
The bracelets emits a signal on
a frequency and it allows us to
locate a missing client.
Revisit our clients to ensure
the bracelet is properly in
place and to change the
batteries.
Most of our clients refer to us
because the police department
as properly responded to the
residence because a person is
lost or walked away and the
referred most people to apply
for applications for us to come
out and put them on the project
lifesaver.
We use our tracking equipment
to locate missing clients.
All police station time
tracking equipment that can be
utilized by the sheriff's
office personnel or respondent
in 2022 we had 33 are lifesaver
program.
Currently we 54 clients.
28 adults, 26 children in the
program for gaza today we have
15 pending applications
, and I
do not want to say no to any
family who wants to put a
family member on project
lifesaver.
Unlike some jurisdictions we do
not charge a fee for families
to be on the program.
Also, I have a senior program.
restarted the safe program
about eight years ago because
we learned of a senior that
failed and it was a tragic
ending and we thought that we
could do something to help our
seniors.
We provide medical equipment to
seniors who cannot afford it at
no cost.
In 2022 -- for our community.
I get some good comments from
our seniors because they get a
joy out in the deputies coming
to the house spending time with
them
, talking to them about
security issues but it makes a
difference with our seniors.
Argon safety program
, argon
safety program is properly
programmed for children.
In fy 20 find this program is
presented to over 5000 students
.
In 2023 this program receive
the virginia association of
counties achievement award
.
Our rate aggression and defense
program are currently we
conduct about two classes a
year.
It's difficult to schedule
these classes, but I want to
see if we can do at least two
classes next year.
Unclaimed residents here come
the only agency in the county
that handles unclaimed
residence.
The primary law enforcement
agency is responsible for
residence.
It was the sheriffs
responsibility until the law
changed about 11 years ago.
Because I had a policy in place
to comply with the law, I agree
because I represent not only
prince william county but
manassas and manassas park to
continue this responsibility.
In fy 25 we received about 26
cases.
Each case requires about 20
hours of work.
Those are include locating
relatives working with -- and
to obtain a court order to
close out the case.
We also conduct a yearly
ceremony to honor and provide a
dignified burial for our
unclaimed deceased residents
.
Our civil disturbance union.
In 2020 200 demonstrators
attempted to enter the
courthouse and we persuaded the
crowd to leave and prevented
any confrontation.
I think some your board members
might have been there
that day.
I am very proud of how officers
reacted to our demonstrators
.
When we talk about treating
people with dignity and
respect, this is a prime
example of how we should treat
people in those situations.
We were not prepared to handle
a group of that size so to
prevent future issues I sent
staff to training and purchased
equipment to manage any
disturbances that MAY occur.
I would be remiss if I did not
mention the incredible work on
deputies do to support special
olympics.
Each year we hold a tournament.
We raise 50 $6000 to support
special olympics.
We hosted two golf tournaments.
We used those funds to buy a
drone and other equipment
needed for the program.
This is an agency basis.
Bensalem county revenues
include charges for service.
Charges for service are three
percent of our funding so we
can see how much we get from
the compensation board.
The
city of manassas, manassas
park.
Currently our full-time staff
99 part-time sworn, 5.5
.
We have 17
, 121.5 total.
Also, we have seven reserve
deputies that come in to assist
us.
We require them to come in once
a month.
I think CHAIRMAN Vega is on our
reserve deputies that comes in
hopes of sometimes.
Thank you.
Requesting $15,000 no fte to
assist us with additional
equipment to support project
lifesaving.
We 15 people applications and
waiting to be processed.
I have been wanting to say no
to any of these clients -- in
case something happens we can
find it.
We also will be asking uniform
stuffer 12 fte.
We also asked for a leading
business service specialist in
our communications analysts.
I talked about some of them
earlier in the transportation
and court services division to
address inmate jury and chris's
transportation.
We certainly need extra
deputies to help us in
transportation
.
Course one of the big issues is
i do not want to san juan
deputy on a transport with a
person that is in crisis.
Uniform stop operation impacts.
Deputies are frequently
reassigned from other essential
duties are going to mention
pulling people from the civil
process to come here and help
us in our courtrooms
, that's
because we have a law and
trials that require more than
two deputies in the courtroom.
To get additional help optical
from other areas to come into
assist that.
Also we had to pull from the
adult detention center to use
those off-duty to assist us.
Deputies often juggle multiple
high-risk duties increasing
fatigue and safety.
When I mentioned deputies have
to travel long distance other
facilities to do the transport,
a lot of times they are tired
when they get back and we can't
use them so it has an impact on
our staffing.
Also, when I talked about the
hours a mandated training we
are required to do with 40
hours mandated but we have
other hours a training
required.
For example, each deputy has to
be trained and be certified in
case they have to use it.
Some of the operational
benefits increased case
faulting.
We look at a number of cases
have a court
.
We talked about the legislative
change.
One of the legislative changes
was in juvenile court
.
that legislative change
requires us to have one
deputies because as I mentioned
earlier the unpredictable
actions of juvenile sometimes
they have to make sure the
deputies on site.
We had injuries restrained
juveniles in our court so to
prevent those things we need
extra deputies in our juvenile
courts.
Also mentioned in the hallways
a lotta people they are in
juvenile court they simply do
not like each other and threats
are made and we are asked to
come in
.
Certainly we have to do that to
protect everyone in the
courthouse.
Also high-profile trials
require greater security.
Sometimes we have to double
screen people going in to make
sure everyone is safe and make
sure no one is carrying devices
that could interfere with court
proceedings.
That requires extra deputies
.
I want to make sure.
Me back this one up
.
Improve courtroom security
enables transport for increase
deputy safety is something I
want to focus on to make sure
the board understands the
importance of having two
deputies owner transports.
And establish a dedicated --
excuse me.
>> I think we are interfering
with your progress here, sir.
>> slide number 18.
>> thank you.
Additionally support inventory
management procurement and
operations are currently one
civilian is managing the
accounts payable those duties
include purchase orders,
accounts available, traveler
funding itineraries,
expeditions, off-duty detail
management
, supply purchases,
issuing equipment
, procurement
allocations.
In addition we helping
alleviate the current work load
to better support the crucial
functions of our office
.
And simply one person has a lot
to do and basically with work
and needing in seville and help
us manage that position.
Some requesting one civilian
position to assist in managing
our request
, social media,
graphic designs and it.
Are service levels performance
.
Is easy our cases increased
from fy 24 from 230 to over
240.
Our security screenings
increased to 305,000.
Are is in our courtroom
facility increased to 4 to
7629.
Police assist.
Now, when I'm talking about
most of the hours we have to
bring in deputies to assist us
in the courtroom increased to
47,000 hours
.
Police assist in the hours pick
these are the hours we spent
assisting police with our
temporary detention orders
.
And as I mentioned
, our offices
want to be committed in the
assisting our police because we
know they are busy and we want
to help them so they don't have
to leave their duties.
I want to thank you for
allowing me to come before you
today.
I know it has been a lengthy
presentation and I apologize
for it please ask me any
questions you have.
>> Chair Jefferson: well, thank
you so very much for coming
here and giving us a thorough
overview of the services and
everything you provide the.
I really wanted to focus in on
something I saw on page 18 and
16.
You don't have to bring it up.
But you mention you provide
court order transport to and
from correctional and medical
facilities
.
And on page 16 you mentioned
the mental health hearings.
I'm just curious about the roll
of the crc.
Will sheriff's deputies be
responsible for those
transports?
Because some of them I assume
won't be court order but what
is your roll working with the
crc?
>> our roll by definition that
when we get the khol's and
orders, it's our responsibility
by state code to do those
transports.
>> Chair Jefferson: all
right.
Supervisor gordy.
>> Tom Gordy: thank you MADAM
Chair.
Just getting an update on the
case pertaining to our
district.
i appreciate the work the
sheriffs department has been
doing in supporting the court
cases that are certainly
important to our community.
A couple questions.
Ith the
change in law related to
juvenile defendants on the
inability to restrain them.
In terms of transporting, when
I worked with kids in different
aspects of my life you could
never have one child alone with
another adult.
Ou always need
a second but it always required
1/3.
How many people do you actually
have to have in order to
transport and secure in
juvenile defendant between
while they are in custody of
the courthouse.
>> we picked them up at the
juvenile detention home most of
the time we tried to send to
deputies to pick them up.
If it is only one child we send
to deputies and we bring them
to the courthouse for the court
case.
Nd wobbly are there we
put them by themselves.
We put
them in over there juveniles
with obvious reasons.
One of the things that happened
, we find out some history on
the juvenile or if the
juveniles acting a certain way
we cannot by law put restraints
on them
.
We have to get a special case
before the judge and explain
why we have to put restraints
on them.
And they just make
rent our request
.
>> Tom Gordy: in terms of the
increase of man hours and
number personnel to facilitate
this new policy
.
What has been the net impact on
your staffing to meet the
requirements.
We know juvenile crime is not
in decline
.
In terms of trying to manage
under this new regime, what is
that under your staffing
requirements?
>> it required us to bring in
more deputies to the courtroom
and we have to pull them from
other duties to make sure there
is order in the courtroom.
Make sure decorum is in the
courtroom and make sure no one
gets hurt so it is always
better to have extra deputies
to help out.
>> Tom Gordy: when we look at
the 12 fte you are looking at,
how much of that goes to
helping alleviate some of the
challenges that have been
presented because of this new
law.
>> I intend about six in the
courthouse in six in operation.
As I mentioned earlier about
the transports we have to do,
those deputies would be
assigned to assist with our
process and transports.
And of course all the deputies
am asking for is going to help
us out with high-profile trials
and a lot of the court cases we
have now that require extra
deputies.
Extra screening going into the
court rooms.
Also, there's a lot of activity
in the hallways.
they are there on both sides.
We want to make sure that
everyone is safe.
Occasionally we do have
disruptions, therefore the
defense and the defendants
also.
>> Tom Gordy: okay.
On the uniform we know you are
having to upgrade uniforms
across your force here can you
give us more insight into what
is driving that and how that is
impacting your budget?
>> yes.
We are looking at changing the
brown uniform to another
uniform because the brown
uniforms are so hard to get and
it is hard to match up the
colors but they do an
outstanding job helping us
, but
that person is overwhelmed and
because of all of the
requirements meeting 1/4
master.
Keeping the records, issuing
the uniforms, replacing
uniforms and also handling the
other duties such as overtime
requirements that we have to
process
.
That person is also responsible
for that also.
>> Tom Gordy: thank you.
Appreciate it.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
boddye.
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you for
coming before us again.
Appreciate everything you and
your team can do to keep folks
safe all throughout the
community so I wanted to say
that.
I wanted to check in
with you because
you're
obviously asking for more
positions.
How has hiring then?
I know you had vacancies
previously and have been
working on that.
Can you talk about that piece?
>> filling vacancies is not
easy.
We are in a competitive process
with other chores offices in
the police department in the
area.
We have to be very competitive.
I have not lowered my standards
as far as recruiting
.
We want to make sure we get the
best and the brightest to come
to work
.
So it is a challenge
.
Our best recruiters are the
people who work at the
sheriff's office
.
They tell me they want to be
able to helped me because they
know what type we want and they
actually go out and help us
recruit those types of deputies
so they want to work with them.
>> Kenny Boddye: I always love
it when we are trying to coach
people from other places as
opposed to the other way
around.
That is great to hear.
I know we have had difficulty
in the past.
We've been trying to help you
to get us where we need to be
to make you a lot more
attractive of an employer
.
I'm glad we have been working
on that.
Mother question to go in the
other direction is on the same
program I really appreciate
everything you have been doing
with that.
Obviously literally lifesaving
work
.
$15,000 I hate to say it.
Is a very small amount of money
and that is based on the
waitlist he said you have your
car you able to project out and
tell us how much you MAY need
with that knowing we have an
aging population in prince
william county and chances are
the folks that we have
.
You said 90 something folks on
it.
That is underrepresented the
people who need to be on it.
Spoke project lifesaver is a
program I am proud of.
I don't want to say no to a
family who put application
.
The 15,000 asking for is simply
an amount to help us by
additional equipment
.
Bracelets and batteries and
other replacement equipment
that we need for that program.
Hopefully to 15,000 would last
a year
.
As I mentioned earlier,
sometimes when we go to our
families to replace the
bracelet, sometimes they get
damaged and we want to make
sure we have a good bracelet on
the families.
But one of the things I like
about that program is the
families like for us to come to
the residence and visit with
them.
The kids absolutely love the
deputies that come in.
i get good comments from
families about how we visit the
families and the time we spend
with them.
So that is important.
>> Kenny Boddye: I know you
guys are popular with all age
groups.
I brought my son to an event
different I think around JUNE
and both of my kids got a lotta
pictures with him.
>> we start recruiting early.
> Kenny Boddye: I don't know
if my wife would be okay with
you recruiting my son, but I
would
say.
My last question if you would
let me
.
In terms of the transportation
piece, you narrowed in on why
you need the extra folks and
what have you and I appreciate
the chair bringing up the
crisis receiving center because
the crisis receiving centers
are established only in prince
william county
, how do you
suspect both from our end but
also with the crc centers being
established closer frankly then
where they have been.
How do you see that helping you
in the long run?
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much.
I don't see anyone else in the
cupid thank you so very much
share film and to the people
you brought out today for your
team.
We appreciate you and your
work.
>> thank you for allowing me to
come before you.
>> MR. Shorter: thank you met
in turn members of the board.
again, thank you for the
presentation and for your
service to the county.
I will now ask our clerk jackie
smith take over.
>> what did I do?
Customer
service in the commonwealth
always.
We are professional, we inspire
combatants, and our customers
needs are met completely.
We value our customers
, the
taxpayer dollar, our people,
integrity and teamwork and we
always remember that we serve
the people of prince william
manassas and manassas park.
When most people think of the
clerk of the court
, they think
of the person sitting left or
right of the judge taking
notes, assisting the judge,
keeping the record but this is
a small fraction with the clerk
of the court does.
Most notable probably for this
type of meeting as we collect
our recordation taxes for the
county.
Of course we create, maintain,
and protect the official court
record.
We also issued concealed
handgun permits as you heard
from the sheriff earlier and we
are again this year on target
to produce more concealed
handgun permits than any other
jurisdiction in the
commonwealth.
We still do it faster than
anyone else and we do it as
cheap as you can find in the
commonwealth.
It's a service to our
constituents picked are also
under more duties described in
the statute but these are the
highlights.
We work with multiple
government agencies
.
Most notably we added fema this
year.
They contacted us with interest
in our self-service kiosk to
see how they can implement them
in the federal government to
benefit their operations.
And so4 and annual update.
We support safe and secure
communities in many initiatives
for the first is accessibility.
We operate seals on wheels are
fully mobile clerks office on
saturdays once a month to
provide services to prince
william county residents as
well as the residence of the
two cities in a location
convenient to them outside of
normal business hours
, give us
a plug our last event is on
gainesville district from
10:00to 1:00
.
We also host judicial center
pop-ups which occur on campus
after business hours to allow
people who need to get their
business done after working a
full day have an opportunity to
do that without having to take
time off of work.
As I mentioned earlier we
deployed self-service kiosks
throughout the county including
in this building.
Through the kiosks you can
interact with our office.
You can interact with other
courts, pay your taxes and even
registered to vote.
We deployed kiosks at half of
the county libraries and we are
deploying another for this
year.
We will have three more to
deploy the year after in this
program is completely grand
fund and park will some operate
litigant self center.
The self-help center is aimed
at giving people access to the
courts whether they can afford
an attorney or not.
We provide different legal
resources as well as exemplars
and forms some people take care
of the business in the court
been possible without the
assistance of an attorney.
Last year you MAY remember we
launched our real property
fraud alert service.
This is a service we provide
for free to our constituents
.
There are some services you can
subscribe two for a
subscription fee, but we were
able to secure grant funding to
provide service free of cost
per call the resident asked to
do is go on the system,
register their property in any
time someone tries to do any
activity in land records on
that property the registered
owner will be notified.
This doesn't prevent deed to
fraud but it makes it a lot
less harmful and a lot easier
to correct if it should happen,
which it has not in prince
william county.
We also provide free gun locks
to promote safe and secure
communities and we expanded our
online services to include
online scheduling, online
probate of most wills, historic
records were all our historic
records can be accessed from
your home and coming in MAY
2026 we will be announcing the
artificially fully digitized in
a record system.
Another issue with
accessibility has been the
availability of parking at the
judicial center.
We undertook a lotta talk and
research on how to improve this
at a low to no cost
.
What we came up with was
creating a network of google
maps that show all of the
available parking areas in and
around the judicial center on
the judicial center campus we
have signage everywhere with qr
code so people can scan it with
their phone and have their
phone direct them to the
nearest available parking.
We also expanded our language
services.
We can communicate with
customers in more than 50
different languages in writing
and verbally.
That offer an judicial ability
has been recognized by virginia
lawyers weekly, fox five, D.C.
101 and wto p news on the
virginia state bar has
appointed us to the access to
legal services board to share
innovations we brought to
prince william to help spread
them across the commonwealth
the communities that would
benefit.
We also endeavor to provide
civic education.
We had our first annual fair on
the square which is a private
public partnership that brought
together 60 local businesses
and government agencies to
share with the community what
services were available.
Although we didn't plan it this
way it was timely with the
government shutdown.
There were a lot of people in
need.
It was well attended and we are
looking forward to expanding it
even further next year.
We also were able to host a
successful animal supply drive
at that event.
My office was full of dog food.
We participate in the animal
town of dumfries expungement
clinic along with the
constitutional officers.
We also printed this
participated in clinics in
other communities but by far
the town expungement clinic is
the most popular and I would
say it is down to the dumfries
town council who does an
excellent job running that
event.
We also host a student art
contest every year for law day.
The theme is always a
constitutional theme and the
children are asked to interpret
that theme and what it means to
them.
It is open to prince william
county school students,
manasses
, manassas park and private
school students and homeschool
students.
As you probably realize we are
and supervisor gordy district.
Supervisor gordy has been so
supportive of the art contest.
I appreciate you entered a
proclamation about the art
contest.
Supervisor gordy can then read
it to the kids but they were
very excited.
I appreciate your support of
that program.
We also provide presentations
and trainings to the league of
voters, girl scouts and the
scouts of america.
We provide services to the
justice like me initiative
within the courthouse.
Would provide access to
different artifacts to
homeschool groups to bring
history alive for them based on
what they are studying at that
time.
We also do that for different
community groups who express
interest.
We are also focused on
potential efficiency
improvements.
One of the greatest areas of
the success we have seen is an
employee developments
satisfaction and retention.
We have developed a three-tier
training model for people
, your
employees we bring into our
agency the first is the new
employee skills training
module.
That is a one year module where
one month our benchmarks to
meet.
E use the resources
provided the county through pwc
university.
We also form discussion groups
around the different lessons
learned to set a bar of
professionalism for our
employees
.
And also to promote positive
mental health.
Because we can be put in very
difficult situations in the
courthouse and we interact with
a law of different people every
day and it can be difficult
sometimes.
But knowing our employees have
that support within their own
agency community.
They have their classmates that
I've gone through the same
training has been very
beneficial to help create solid
partnerships within our agency
and to promote employee
retention.
After that we have
our rebound reality based rules
of the workplace module which
is sort of the next level.
If you show promise for
leadership in the office we
will have you attend that class
.
It focuses on mental health,
how we treat others, how we
treat ourselves and after that
level we look to the reality
-based leadership program which
we focus on taking all the
tools we learned from the first
two levels and taking it to the
next level so you can be
leadership and management
within the office.
On the systems are modeled
after colin powell's addition
program and we have modified it
to be specialized to our
agency.
For fiscal responsibility we do
an annual audit of all our
expenditures to analyze their
necessity.
After six years we
independently $5 million in
grants.
We used those grants to
completely outfit seals on
wheels for the preservation of
our shared history and
self-funded the renovation of
our space in the judicial
center.
This year we added transparency
as an office focus
.
We are primarily focused on
better data analysis
.
We are analyzing service
trends, community needs,
community usage.
Again, giving efficiency audits
both in process and
expenditure.
We are looking at national
trends that we are seeing in
the courts and also evaluating
court case volume and how we
can best and most efficiently
handled that.
So for the new mandates, this
is an interesting one.
The
rules of the supreme court of
virginia dictate the operation
of the circuit court and the
supreme court has modified
their rules in the past year to
allow self represented
litigants to e-file the self
represented litigants had
previously been excluded from
e-filing or however, the
systems we use which are
provided by the supreme court
of virginia do not allow for
self represented litigants to
e-file and indications are or
representations are there
aren't any plans to include
this in the future.
So we will talk about the cure
for this issue a little later
in the presentation.
We also have a legislative
mandate.
Amended automatic ceiling of
certain criminal cases from
1986 until the present about
automatic in quotation marks
because the code calls it
automatic and it is for the
citizen but someone has got to
do it.
We begin preparation for the
significant undertaking in
fiscal 23 with the help of
smart budgeting by the county
to accelerate our final
digitization of our historic
case files
.
The 100 percent digitization
would be complete in MAY at 26
which is ahead of schedule a
right on time for this mandate
her glass to the state
compensation board in
conjunction with the board of
county supervisors funded a
full-time equivalent employee
who could fill that
position
almost immediately.
She is already training for the
project to begin JANUARY 1 but
we are ready to hit the ground
running when it comes.
If there is no disruption of
operations I have learned to
say that since covid took no
additional needs are
anticipated to achieve this
mandate.
So service level trends your
current jury pool is continuing
to grow which means the amount
of postage it costs to send out
the jury
questionnaires
continues to grow.
Ou can
see from the graph the blue
line is the number of jury
questionnaires we need to send
out each year.
During that time period are
posted budget has been static
there's been no growth in that
budget line hook I will share
with you how we have been able
to make up the shortfall and
what we need to do for the
future to prevent shortfall.
We have seen rapid growth in
the area of probate
administration.
We did anticipate this growth.
We have been talking about it a
few years.
This year is the first year we
saw a real spite, which is what
I consider a spike.
14 percent.
It's attributable in my opinion
into the aging population, our
population growth.
We are seeing increased
property values an increase
asset complexity.
We have also seen an increase
in popularity of estate
planning which is a wonderful
thing our people are planning
for their future.
But it does more frequently
require court intervention.
We
have also seen rapid growth
this year in our self
represented litigants center
and law library.
Specifically 30 percent
increase in the number of
residents served.
I attribute this primarily to
the fact we expanded the
services we provide in the self
represented litigants entered a
knot just include circuit court
but include general district
court in the juvenile and
relations courts.
The clerks of those courts as
well as the chief judges of
those courts have been very
helpful in allowing us to do
that and maintain accurate
exemplars and resources so we
are happy to support that.
That does not result in
additional cost.
Where we are seeing the
additional cost need is in the
resources not available
digitally.
there are some legal resources
only available in print and
their resources used regularly.
So because of the nature of the
law we are required to update
or even replace the volumes
every year and these are
expensive books.
Think back to buying textbooks
for school.
There expensive and the only
increased in cost over the last
three years by 20 percent which
is attributable not just to the
increase in the cost of goods
but the rapid increase in the
cost of postage.
So here is an overview of the
budget initiatives.
Estore
annual access fees revenue.
The e-filing system upgrade
drupal expansion postage, jury
questionnaire return postage
self represented law center in
law library.
We will go into each one.
The first is to restore the
excess fees revenue to the
county.
This is the second request.
T
has been included in the 2026
county legislative priorities
thank you.
I appreciate that.
Excess fees are those fees
collected in excess of her
state allotted budget.
Those excess fees, two thirds
of the fees are supposed to
come back to the locality as
unrestricted revenue.
That revenue goes to the county
to you to use as you deem fit.
It does not go back to the
clerks office, he goes to the
county coffers and we will be
working in richmond
side-by-side this year to try
to get that restored.
Next we have the e-filing
system for self represented
litigants
.
As I mentioned, the supreme
court has modified the rules to
allow e-filing for self
represented litigants as well
as attorneys
.
We identified a compliant
e-filing service currently
functioning in some other
localities comparable to prince
william.
It is working effectively.
It's about $25,000 but it would
be a seamless transition and
allow self represented
litigants and attorneys to
e-file equally.
It is also just a better, more
streamlined system.
It is more
recently created.
The jury pool expansion postage
increase
.
Our jury pool continues to
expand.
The way the jury process starts
is the chief judge orders
questionnaires be sent out to
residents
.
Those questionnaires ask
questions that would inform us
if someone is qualified to
serve on a jury or not.
Are you over 18, are you a
citizen of the united states,
are you a resident of the 31st
judicial circuit.
The clerk then collects all the
answers to those questionnaires
and appoints jury commissioners
to look at all the responses
and decide is this person
qualified or is this person not
qualified.
If someone says I'm 17 years
old they go into the
nonqualified pile.
All the questionnaires deemed
qualified
, supervisor stewart
knows well.
E served as a
jury commissioner.
All of those people get a
summons.
For some point in the year to
report to the circuit court for
duty.
That doesn't mean they won't
sit on the jury.
Doesn't mean they're going to
come to the court, but it means
they have to be at the rate he
should the need arise for
their
services on a given day.
They call us every monday or
every tuesday or every
wednesday that month or look at
our social media preferably.
And see do I have to
report this
day?
We are faced with quite a lot
of postage given the
questionnaires have to be
mailed.
The jury summons have to be
mailed and sometimes there is
back-and-forth to make up that
shortfall we have I'm looking
for $73,000.
Again
, this budget line is not
been increased in over 15 years
progressive 15 years because
that's the records we have.
I don't know the last time it
was updated but it is time.
Also related to postage is jury
questionnaire return postage.
Because we had a shortfall in
availability of postage sending
out the juror questionnaires
,
we had to make up the
shortfall.
The way we made up the
shortfall was we did not
provide return postage for our
residents to return there jury
questionnaires.
It did result in some
complaints.
More complaints than we would
have expected.
But in order to eliminate the
undue burden to the citizens to
provide what is almost a dollar
now for a stamp and frequently
the larger issue is the
inconvenience of going to buy a
stamp.
I'm asking we have a separate
line item $26,000 to cover that
return postage.
It would be business reply
mail.
We only pay for the postage we
use but our citizens would have
the option to do that.
Finally, our self represented
litigants center and law
library.
As I mentioned, the number
customer served increased by 30
percent this year.
Our services have expanded to
include all three levels of
court.
The cost to update and replace
the print materials has
increased by 20 percent over
the last three years.
We are looking to make that on.
I should add that this is one
of the areas where we are
continually evaluating the
expenditure because it is my
hope the printed materials that
are quite costly will
eventually be available by
electronic subscription
.
So every year we audit the
collection to see can we shift
more over to the electronic
site
, but as of right now this
is where we stand.
Again, that's our summary of
the request.
Thank you again for having me
here to speak with you.
Thank you to those of you who
visited our office
.
You have almost 65 county
employees out in our office and
if you haven't stop by I am
sure we would be happy to meet
with you.
And I hope you will join us
saturday I gainesville
haymarket library from 10:00to
1:00for our sales on wheels.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
for coming and thank you for
everything your office does.
I love seeing when you guys pop
up somewhere like montclair
library and all the services
you are able to provide.
Supervisor franklin?
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
thank you.
Thank you for the presentation
and thank you for the tour I
took recently.
I got a lot more insight into
how everyone is doing their
best
work together within our
court system.
A quick question.
On slide 16 were mentioned
about the number of trials
requiring jurors to being
summoned.
It's a that is in decline
.
Is that for civil or criminal?
>> we don't break it out by
civil took a mental pick these
are statistics that come out
our jury division
.
When we have a jury trial on
the docket, if it hasn't been
resolved prior to the night
before the trial we have to
summon the jurors to come in
here sometimes the case might
resolve that morning.
Sometimes it might resolve
later in the morning, but we
have to have the jurors
available in case the case goes
forward
.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
understood.
Thank you.
MR. Shorter, if someone can
remind me with regard to the
annual excess fees if that is
in our legislative agenda
.
I think it is.
> it is included.
E work
with the clerks office months
ago to include the language in
the agenda.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin: I
know we talked a little bit
about it on obviously the state
gets a lot of money when they
are not returning it back to
the counties.
We will do as much as we can to
push for that within our
delegation so thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Supervisor bailey.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey:
thank you MADAM Chair.
Thank you for your
presentation.
You and the sheriff did a great
job making sure we totally
understand what you do and why
you need.
i really appreciate both
presentations.
My question to
you is you are a very
innovative in securing grants
.
Do you foresee, as you go
forward, that being interrupted
at all, if you will, in the
plan you have, the strategic
plan you have for your
department?
>> so we evaluated all the
grants we received right now.
He recurring grants we have
that are virtually zero risk of
going away.
The restoration grants that we
get from the library of
virginia
we used to take books.
We refer to them as our ancient
books, but books from the early
1700s, even early 1800s that
are sort of deteriorating.
The library of virginia we can
apply to for grants to restore
those books pick those grants
are?
Right now but we don't plan to
rely on those grants.
Those are nice to have but if
we don't have them the book is
going to have to wait another
year.
It's not a question of having a
shortfall of the budget.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey:
another question is in
reference to that, are you
looking to digitize any of your
documents in the office to make
sure they are restored in that
regard?
That is going to be a cost as
well.
>> as of MAY we will be 100
percent digitized the
digitization of the historic
books is a little more
difficult.
When digitization first
started, we were doing it by
photograph because they were
browned, very brittle books.
Ut when we have a grant or
available funds to send it to
an actual restore, they
completely diss and symbol the
book and they do a high-quality
scam of every single page and
then bind that into a book.
If you didn't see downside to
know this was a new book when
you opened it up you would
thank you were looking at the
original.
So we do have digital images of
everything.
They are not the best.
We use the grant monies to make
them the best and restore the
physical book.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey:
the last question, if I MAY.
For the expungement clinics and
they been quite successful
since the inception of them
starting the program.
How do you see that program
expanding across the county?
>> we have had other elected
officials reach out to hold
expungement fairs
.
I don't know if it is a
question of need but they just
haven't been as popular of
dumfries.
The town of dumfries does a
phenomenal job promoting the
event, draining the people
working the event, and making
sure we have the resources
to
successfully kick off the event
.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey:
thank you MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you.
i don't have any other
questions or comments and thank
you very much for coming here
today.
I also want to recognize we
have our chief public defender
tracy here with us as well
today.
>> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM
Chair and members of the board.
And again, to our clerk jackie
smith, thank you for the
presentation.
The next presentation we have.
Really excited about this
presentation.
Rachel taylor from our office
of community safety will come
forward and talk about domestic
violence fatality review.
This is a long-standing
opportunity for us.
I think we
are going to have our deputy
county executive kick this
presentation off.
This was a very good
opportunity for the county to
have this review happening.
Spoke thank you.
Deputy county executive.
Thank you for the opportunity
to share and represents a
milestone in our work to build
a safer more resilient prince
william county.
We are proud to launch the
domestic violence review team.
Multidisciplinary initiative
rooted in their mission is
office a community safety.
Circumference and well-being as
a community we use lessons from
the fatality review is to spot
missed
warning signs.
Improve service coronation and
do more effective intervention
for individuals and families at
risk.
we are putting a process in
place to reduce breakdowns,
ensuring we learn what leads to
better outcomes
.
It is about improving the
entire community safety
ecosystem.
The review team is part of a
larger counsel focused on a
holistic approach to how we
deal with domestic violence.
And certainly reflects our
offices roll less convenient,
connector, and capacity builder
across systems.
With that it is my
pleasure to
introduce doctor.
[Name] And rachel taylor to
provide more detail about the
council, the team, and the
process.
Thank you.
>> thank you MADAM Chair and
members of the board.
I am the director of the office
I community safety.
As dan reiterated, the domestic
-- is part our offices larger
effort in creating data
informed pathways
.
Over the last year as MS.
Taylor will discuss, the data
we compiled really proves that
there is a need for further
development of coordinated
response pathways.
What we have been working on is
the improvement of the
ecosystem around prevention and
intervention.
As well as risk identification.
And so it is really just one
effort in the revival of our
domestic violence counsel which
leads as well as our
replacement triage work with
our agency partners.
remote positive MS. Taylor
.
>> thank you did dan alexander
and doctor.
[Name].
I would like to thank the board
and MADAM Chair for the
opportunity to come and talk to
you today.
Domestic violence in the states
kills three people every day
.
It is also the leading cause of
death among pregnant women
across the nation
.
Nationally and account for one
in every five homicides that is
15 to 20 percent parking
virginia the picture is a
little bit more bleak with
about 20 to 25 percent of all
homicides been linked to
domestic violence can print
with them county we find the
numbers to be even more serious
with an average of 30 percent
of all homicides attributed to
domestic violence broken 2024
that number was 45 percent.
Since 2020 ask who operates our
local domestic violence hotline
, since 2020 days on increase
in calls for help 500 percent.
At the office a community
safety we joined with community
partners addressing this
critical issue by reviving
domestic violence counsel in
conducting domestic violence
resource mapping, conducting a
gap analysis we identified
there are scarce resources for
victims within our county.
In particular concern is the
fact only emergency safe house
only has five bedrooms for a
population of 500,000 people.
We one forensic nurse for the
entire county that is also at
this time unable to serve
children so all children in the
vast majority of victims have
to go to neighboring counties
to get forensic exams.
The fatality review works is a
type of social autopsy for our
community.
It includes the analysis of
local homicides to identify
systems gaps, improve agency
collaboration, and strengthen
prevention efforts to reduce
future deaths.
Who's at risk in the community
are questions we would like to
have answered.
Want to know what is the
information related to
characteristics of violence in
the relationship of those
involved reported the red flags
for domestic violence within
prince william county what are
the resources in our community
more importantly, are they
working?
From these conclusions how does
the team prevent future
domestic violence fatalities
pick the work being done here
among our community has been
truly inspiring following
training provided by the
national domestic violence
fatality review initiative out
of arizona state university, we
created an interagency
agreement and protocol to
hopefully establish the greater
principal and county domestic
violence fatality review team
through this effort included
the signature of 16 agencies so
far with hopefully more to
come.
I would like to recognize she
public defender office tracy.
We have acting director, and
adjusted services
.
[Name] And the domestic
violence coordinator oksana
sure from prince william county
police.
In addition would like to point
out this is indeed the greater
prince william county fatality
review.
We representation signed the
principal and county police
department as well as manassas
city of manassas park with
hopefully more to grow.
The foundation however is built
upon confidentiality.
Under code section 32.1-283.3
the records are confidential
and they are not subject to
virginia freedom of information
act.
Review materials cannot
be subpoenaed, requested in
discovery were used as evidence
in any civil or criminal case
pickup would like to note on
the cases under review are
completely closed.
There is no pending litigation,
no investigations of civil or
criminal matter.
Participants cannot be
compelled to testify about what
occurred during the fatality
review or what information was
collected and civil immunity
applies to team members and
anyone providing information
unless there is gross
negligence or
willfulness
conduct.
And recognize initiative in
principle them county, we join
20 other teams across the
commonwealth, 49 other states
in the nation and several other
countries that are also
conducting these important
reviews.
we are all working to
implement, prevent, implement
and build resiliency.
So far the committee members
and the greater prince william
county developed their mission,
vision, values, team protocol
an interagency agreement.
In order to proceed under the
protection of the code of
virginia we respectfully ask
today the prince william county
board of supervisors recognizes
and supports the creation of
the greater prince william
domestic violence fatality
review team.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: think is a
very much.
Supervisor bailey?
>> thank you for your
presentation.
Thank you for your presentation
and elevating the importance of
this program.
It is something that dan and I
talked about when we first came
on board
.
Something resonating in our
communities
.
Something the percentage of the
need is increased since covid
so we are way overdue
.
I totally support how we go
forward because it is
absolutely essential and there
are advocates in our community.
I know specifically in mind
district when they did their
annual breast cancer
awareness/domestic violence
month awareness program that
are interested in this
endeavor.
So thank you for your foresight
and again, back to mental
health
, you will the land and
protecting our citizens so I
really, really appreciate it.
>> thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
boddye
.
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you dan,
doctor.
[Name], MS. Taylor for this
.
Long time coming, glad you are
able to provide that previous
efforts and inject new life
into something near and dear to
the hearts of everyone on the
dais and throughout the
community.
We know often the percentages
on the stats, a law and this
happens by folks with closes in
proximity and it happens
unfortunately when there are
warning signs we just don't
have enough resources to sense
at a time.
This really gets at the heart
of that.
It is my hope that as you
continue to build your team,
build the work move to identify
cases and talk to folks and
what have you, they are able to
see those warning signs
hopefully save the lives and
change the trajectory of
everyone involved in these
situations
.
Obviously I'm going to be
supporting this
.
Once you get our support and
are able to establish this team
would have you what are your
immediate next steps and to
model I have seen pop up around
the region around the country
are the family justice centers
that have a broader continuum
on this and get at the heart
similar to what we do in the
child advocacy centers abroad
in that out to the entire
family and the victims we are
talking about here.
Can you
talk about that and with the
forward vision is?
>> I love what your head is at.
Immediate steps
.
We are fortunate to have doctor
neil and his team at the
national domestic violence
fatality review initiative.
He literally invented fatality
review back in 1990.
We have been working with his
team to do our training earlier
this year like I said.
We are also going to be in the
back and up conduct our very
first review and figure out how
to select that case.
Into moving ahead as he said
there are so many
opportunities, family justice
center is wonderful.
As we develop our data and
understand the circumstances a
little bit more we will find
out what that would need to
look like here in prince
william.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
franklin.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
thank you.
Thank you for the presentation.
I would point out, and you
alluded to this.
In 2024, particularly as most
crimes of prince william county
was on the decrease, incidents
of domestic violence was
actually on the increase.
This is incredibly important.
i do have a couple of questions
.
Once this is fully set up, are
you looking to derive more data
from some of these domestic
violence cases and then turn
them into recommendations for
how to handle some of these
cases?
>> absolutely.
Applications are determined
upon what we find, but ideally
we would be being able to
compile regular reports that
would to be provided to the
board itself, and the community
members and agencies
.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
okay.
There is a data point where you
collect all the data and then
you develop recommendations
from their
>> that is correct.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
how does this relate to the
community safety initiative.
Is it part of it, under it,
working in
tandem?
>> the community safety
initiative, as a goal of a
convenient couple together
these court and then the
community responses.
One of the things I will notice
there is domestic violence
counsel prior to the pandemic
but it fell apart.
Through the work
here with the
county what we found is people
volunteering their time to come
together and really trying to
pull this up, however, it is
unstable unless there is a
particularly clear entity for
that.
And so here we are able to
spearhead that I make sure that
there is continuity so that way
we don't lose this again and we
don't look away from this
really important topic in the
future.
I don't know if we would like
more expansion on that?
>> briefly, if you think about
the connective tissue around
what we do it is driven by
engagement informed by evidence
and ecosystem
.
And so there are a number of
areas we identify domestic
violence being a big one.
We talked about human
trafficking a little bit.
We are on gangs right now with
another member.
There are focus areas that
allow us in this office is a
convenient to reach across
systems where we typically
haven't to the degree that we
can now and drive work along
three elements I talked about
earlier.
This is absolutely an important
program piece to the work we
are doing broadly in the
office.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
thank you for that.
Thank you for the work we are
doing.
MR. Shorter, maybe we could at
some point get an update on the
overall community safety
initiative to see how the
working group is going to to
see how things are looking to
be rolled out.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Supervisor vega and then the
lease before thinking that
entire.
My question is about the work
distribution.
I know that this had been the
fight manassas a manassas park.
Ticket get off the burden would
fall in prince william county,
correct in terms of stop and
the work that they have to do?
>> not necessarily.
That objectives moving ahead
would determine how who we have
is a chair and we would like to
seek representation from the
greater area.
I don't necessarily think that
has to be true.
I think we can have number step
up and participate equally.
>> Yesli Vega: that is good.
The reason why I ask is I'm
trying to identify if this
would add an additional
financial burden and or
additional responsibilities to
our county staff and whether it
is the clerk of the court or
sheriff's office, they service
the cities and pay their fair
share.
I was thinking along those
lines but this would require
the same type of mou, if that
is what we want to call it.
I'm happy to hear there would
be some type of collaboration
and I look forward to seeing
how that develops.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
bailey?
B6 you MAY have answered this
at a different time.
There are organizations and
subject matter experts.
One of the things the community
program that dan created was
good at is bringing
organizations within the
community that have been
strategically working on this
on
brady.
What does that look like in
terms of how you're going to
move forward.
>> that is also a great
question.
We are developing the
structure.
We are working to pull in a
variety of different partners
.
I don't know if you wanted to
jump in on any aspect of that.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey: I
know it won't happen overnight
but I want to know is that in
the plan?
>> you look at the current team
members involved on this.
I'm going to go off your list
for criminal justice services,
ax, community services, health
districts, social services,
homeless services, the police
departments we mentioned
before.
08 argument adult detention
center.
It's very inclusive in terms of
process and how we would
involve in this work but we can
expand beyond that to other
governmental and
nongovernmental entities for us
to work on this issue and all
the other issues.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey: I
was just thinking the non-for
profits.
When you mentioned human
trafficking, that's a tender
spot.
But there are not for profits
within our community that would
be elated that we are starting
on this.
That is what I was alluding to.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
boddye.
>> Kenny Boddye: last couple
questions and I appreciate my
colleagues stirring
more
thoughts and questions.
The school system.
Where does the school system
sit in the partnership to the
point my colleague made on the
team.
>> we are still collecting
signatures being knowable to
formally recognize the team
would be a great way to attract
new members.
Work closely with the schools
in a human trafficking task
force we operate so hopefully
sometime soon.
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
that.
Last question we have, it goes
back to something supervisor
franklin asked is when you are
talking about some of the
current situation ask as he
brought up
.
I assume the answer is yes but
also identifying the gaps that
we have frankly in being able
to address these needs, detect
them in the on the left and
right of way.
Is that part of it?
>> that is absolutely correct.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much.
I don't see any further
questions.
>> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM
Chair and members of the board.
>> Chair Jefferson: I was
getting ready to go through my
agenda.
This is a resolution
.
I would like to get a motion
directness and support the
creation of the greater prince
william domestic violence
fatality review team.
>> so moved.
>> Vice Chair Andrea Bailey:
second.
>> Chair Jefferson: any further
discussion on this?
I want to
say quickly if that we need
this.
I've spoken to a number of
police officers who say
domestic violence calls are the
most dangerous in reading
through the staff report and
reading through this, domestic
violence is the highest cause
of death among pregnant women.
That is sobering and actually
quite scary.
Often times people are in
relationships and there is a
loft of trust built and that is
how people fall prey to things
.
It's something I'd be remiss if
I didn't say, it doesn't just
impact women but also men are
victims and that is something
we cannot lose sight of.
There are men who are victims
of domestic violence often
times because of social stigma
they are afraid to speak up.
Thank you for the work you do
around this issue.
Supervisor angry?
> Kenny Boddye: I want to
thank you.
I know this is a touchy subject
.
There is a lot of work
involved.
There's a lot of unknowns now.
Ask these questions, build your
team.
I can't wait for you to get
back and let us know once you
have the package in place and
how well it's doing.
i know it's going to take time
and it's going to be well worth
it so thank you for the work
you have done thus far.
>> vote unanimous.
>> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM
Chair.
Into the team, thank you very
much.
This was rachael's first time
in front of the board so
rachel, great job.
So with item 10 feet we are
asking for a transfer of 85,000
of contingency funds.
The planning office is bringing
this forward consulting
services and I will turn into
tonya to answer any questions.
Co-director washington to
answer questions.
>> good afternoon.
Onya
washington director of the
planning office joined today by
eric griffiths who is with our
cultural resources team and our
countywide planning division.
We are here to request the
board transfer $85,000 for an
contingency to the planning
office for consultant services
to support the
reduction on the
thurau fair historic overlay
district design guidelines.
As I am sure you are aware we
have an initiative underway to
create a new historic district
for the thorough fare
community.
We have a lot of work that has
already been taken place
already
.
We conducted three community
meetings between JUNE 20 24 and
SEPTEMBER this year.
We have already done a lot of
work on the first phase which
is producing the historic
register, the national historic
places and virginia landmarks
register nomination.
That process is still going
through the state review
process
.
One big change that took place
after one of our community
meetings was that community
members asked for consideration
to expand the boundaries of the
area that is being recommended
or nominated for the national
register in virginia landmarks
process and that triggered
additional review on the
stateside.
That is taking longer than what
we anticipated.
And so we decided in SEPTEMBER
to start the work on a second
phase to develop the zoning
text amendment that would
create the historic overlay
district.
As part of that, to a company
that is eta we also need design
guidelines that is actually the
mechanisms that would help to
regulate matters such as
architectural changes,
archaeological resources and
other historic resources within
the overlay district once that
is established as soon as the
board establishes it.
Because we are getting started
earlier we do need resources
during this fiscal year for the
design guidelines in order to
procure consultant, specialized
consultant resources and
support to produce that.
The goal is when we complete
the draft on the zoning text
amendment we would bring the
design guidelines at the same
time so the board can approve
both at the same time.
So happy to answer any
questions if you have any.
Thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: first time
supervisor franklin, vega, then
boddye.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin: I
know we put some money toward
creating the interactive park I
guess so to speak.
Is that separate from what we
are looking to do now?
>> yes.
I'm not entirely sure are not
familiar with what you
referring to.
And you provide more details?
Okay.
Yes.
It is a separate project.
>> are encrypted, evidence
resource
specialist with the
planning office.
So the original thoroughfare
initiative included both the
interpretive park and historic
overlay district, but they were
parceled off into separate
agencies.
The planning office is handling
the historic overlay district
and parks and recreation
historic is doing the
historical park aspect part of
that project.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
Supervisor vega?
>> Yesli Vega: for
clarification purposes I thank
you might have answered my
question.
We need to spend this amount on
consultants for design
guidelines?
>> yes.
>> Yesli Vega: do we anticipate
the $85,000 will be enough?
>> that is what we are
requesting is the budget so if
we get those funds that is what
we will use.
>> Yesli Vega: thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
boddye.
>> Kenny Boddye: laissez
question, or a common.
MS. Washington, I appreciate
your thought process having
things run concurrent frankly
because sometimes we are
waiting for things to be
subsequently we end up spending
more time frankly.
This journey for a thorough
fare has become a long time.
I
appreciate the fact you are
thinking about the design
guidelines
.
Having this come to us
concurrently.
At the state
level it works itself out for
the historical part of it in
the register you there, you are
starting to work through the
process of having our land use
policies conformed to that.
That leads me to my question.
One of the things I have seen,
sometimes and I imagine it
won't be the case here.
Overlays that we adopt
sometimes contradict underlying
zoning of what is already
there.
The context of the conference
and zoning ordinance, a lot of
moving pieces are going on at
the same time.
Can you speak of how this will
fit into that and knowing the
encumbrance of
with the historic overlay
district will not change the
underlying zoning for the areas
that will be considered and
included in the boundaries for
the parties historical district
will not run into that issues
that it is something we shared
with the community the other
piece I wanted to note with
regard to the national register
and estate process that
boundary and the boundary that
will be used for the county's
historical district they MAY
not necessarily be the same
they do not have to be the
same.
Additionally with regards to
the
national register process
which again, that ultimately
the state has to sign off on
that then it goes to the
national park service. For
that ultimate approval, the
state uses a specific criteria
in terms of what types of
properties are eligible to be
considered for those
nominations. Eric it's an
expert on that but that is
something we've also discussed
with the community that the
national register boundary MAY
be different than what the
counties boundary it could be
the same for the county's
boundary does not necessarily
have to follow the national
register entries. I just wanted
to provide that clarification
but to get to your first
question, the overlay district
essentially will sit on top of
the existing zoning for that
community.
>> Kenny Boddye: to follow up I
would imagine the overlay will
follow the counties boundary if
they are different they will
not follow the state right.
>> we could if we wanted to
with the community support
follow the national register
boundary but again because
these very specific criteria
their heavy other areas that
for the counties boundaries for
the actual historic overlay
district it MAY be different it
MAY be expanded what have you
sell during the last community
meeting in SEPTEMBER there was
something that we raised.
We said are there areas that we
should consider that maybe
outside of the boundaries that
have been identified for the
national register combination
that is still undergoing
review. That is something we
will be working out with the
community.
>> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate
that my final point is thank
you ultimately in order was
community interest from this I
appreciate how you been feeling
using it because ultimately we
don't have we MAY not adopt the
same exact boundaries as the
state and national but knowing
that we MAY be more inclusive
frankly than they are and be
very clear with the committee
on that process that we don't
naturally have to handshake we
MAY end up having to recognize
and put the overlay over a
larger area versus a smaller.
>> Tanya Washington: that's
correct.
>> Chair Jefferson: supervisor
stewart.
>> George Stewart:
hello MS. Washington good
afternoon just a simple
question.
The necessity to spend $85,000
on a consultant for the long
range planning commission is
there not a skill set in house
to do this yourself to develop
the design guidelines.
>> Tanya Washington: it's a
combination of specialized
skills and staff capacity.
This product is being managed
by within our countywide
planning division and
specifically within our
cultural resources team gave a
very packed work plan.
Additionally with regards to
design guidelines it goes into
much greater level of
specificity such as
architectural design and other
matters, that is really more of
a specialized skill set.
In order for us to produce
these design guidelines in a
timely fashion, along with the
zta it would take us longer if
our own staff had to we do have
some architectural design
backgrounds within the team,
but they have a lot of other
projects they are managing such
as the conference of zoning
ordinance update the
sustainability resilient zta
the historic overlay district
on the conference of plan
amendment's it would be a major
limitation on our ability to
continue to advance those
projects if we had to pull to
staff that MAY have that skill
set to work on this as it's
much more efficient for us to
hire a consultant to do this
type of work regularly and get
this done in a timely fashion
so we can focus on creating
zoning text amendment which the
same team has to produce.
>> George Stewart: thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much we don't have any
more questions really
appreciate this MS. Washington
thank you.
last speaker supervisor stewart
went to see if you want to move
this forward.
>> George Stewart:
so moved.
>> second
.
>> Chair Jefferson: that was
simultaneous.
I thought it was supervisor
franklin fred I said franklin
franklin fred.
[Laughter] Any further
discussion.
On this agenda item.
Let's go ahead and take our
vote.
Vote unanimous.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you.
>> thank you very much MADAM
Chair and to director
washington and eric thank you
for the presentation MADAM
Chair members of the board with
1030 manassas park is asked
that the county review
remaining requirements
associated with 1989 voluntary
settlement agreement that is we
are asking for the board's
consideration
.
>> Chair Jefferson: all
right
thank you anybody have any
questions?
Any additional information?
Is that you supervisor vega
.
>> Yesli Vega: I will just move
it forward it's in the coles
district.
>> Kenny Boddye: second.
>> Chair Jefferson: any further
discussion?
Et me call for
the vote.
>> vote unanimous.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right
thank you. No we have a
supervisors time normally I
break out calendar changes I
don't know if anybody has any
questions on 11 e or 11 f if
not I will go ahead and just do
everything in one motion.
Hold on I guess supervisor
franklin.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin: we
can talk about item 11 f we are
canceling the meeting
.
>> Chair Jefferson: and adding
a one on. The applicant
scheduled for tuesday, DECEMBER
2 has pulled their obligation
there is nothing else lined up
for that day.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin: I
just want to make sure for the
planning department I guess I
would imagine we have cases
ready to go I just want to make
sure if there are other cases
we can get them out of the way.
>> Tanya Washington: we already
have cases scheduled through
the end of this year including
the DECEMBER 16 meeting it is
really over timing of there's a
lot of things that have to get
lined up we have to get them by
a certain timeframe in order to
then produce the staff report
and get it in the queue for
specific board dates.
This is really more of a matter
of his health the church is
described we do so have other
cases for DECEMBER 16 we have
several cases coming.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
thank you for that MS.
Washington because I talked to
her about this I just want to
make sure we are moving cases
along we've had several
meetings or a couple of
canceled for 7 pm I just want
to make sure we're getting
through the land use cases.
>> Tanya Washington: we are
very much getting through the
land use cases just today the
board approved for cases during
a consolidated agenda the
majority of the cases the board
takes action on is the
consolidated agenda it's only
in the afternoon is a small
number of cases that are the
evening cases we definitely
have cases already looking into
dates for next year we will
definitely make progress to
continue to keep cases just one
less thing you should looking
at the planning commission's
agenda which is even more
filled. Always roll over to the
board we are definitely getting
through our cases.
>> Chair Jefferson: I just want
to piggyback on that I swear I
am not asking supervisor
franklin to see the thing about
these questions myself I want
to know it does original and 7b
we were doing and off cycle
budget request we want to make
sure that planning team has the
resources that they need to
continue to move these cases.
Again the consolidated land-use
agenda we do get through quite
a few things the cases in the
evening they can be more
contentious I know in DECEMBER
we will have at least one
late-night because of a case.
I really do appreciate planning
and it gets awfully will have
more stuff we would have to
cancel some in evening sessions
moving forward.
Anyone else want to speak?
Albright I heard that.
Didn't need a microphone thank
you so very much. I would like
to go ahead and ask for a
motion for 11 a-11 f.
>> so moved.
>> second
.
>> Chair Jefferson: any
additional comments let's go
ahead and take the vote.
>> vote unanimous.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much now we will go around
the deus I will actually start
with our newest supervisor
supervisor stewart anything you
would like to do for
supervisors time.
>> George Stewart: yes.
I have a card trick.
[Laughter].
His past
saturday, OCTOBER 25, the
gainesville district had held a
bulk dumpster day there was no
siding by the trashing code.
In our office parking lot.
The following results from the
gainesville district dumpster
day we collected 5080 pounds or
2.55 tons of trash and 2160
pounds or 1.608 tons of metal a
total of 3.63 tons of discarded
household items and metal were
collected from the community.
Also I want to announce we will
be playing a lot of mariah
carey's christmas album there
is a holiday party at the
gainesville district office.
We will have an open house on
friday we will have an open
house on friday, DECEMBER 12.
From 5 pm-8 pm be there or be
square.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right
that was short and simple.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
thank you MADAM Chair good
evening everyone. OCTOBER 29 I
was my staff and I participated
in the 2025 salute the armed
forces with oliver north who
was the wonderful guest speaker
we are grateful for his service
he is a decorated marine and
thank you to the chamber for
the event. If then on NOVEMBER
7 had the opportunity of
cutting the cake with the
marine corps again thank you
col. Colegate for inviting me
and to be able to be in the
presence of the oldest marine
sgt.
Jim wescott who is 104 years
young yes and the youngest
marine private joseph tele age
19 it was an exciting day wendy
but the cake was good. NOVEMBER
11-NOVEMBER 8-11th I persuaded
in the annual virginia
association of counties
conference with my colleagues
in bath county we had a great
time I want to say
congratulations to our new
chair supervisor victor angry
happy man thank you so much for
serving in that capacity.
On the eighth I attended my
staff attended the annual
anniversary gala for.
[Listing names] Or to thank
them for the information I was
not able to attend myself
because I was at.
[Listing names] My chief of
staff presented a proclamation
to them for their dedication
innovation and community impact
prince william county and
manassas county to serve the
development disabled they are
great at it on the 12th I was
able to participate in a
ceremony with one of our
citizens dora mohammed who
allowed me to principate in a
doctoral study department
outreach strategy program that
talked about sustainability and
interfaith engagement in local
government it was very
exciting. MADAM Chair thank you
for being there with us and
congratulations to DR. Dora
mohammed my body my friend.
NOVEMBER 13, I was so proud the
economic develop at department
had their annual make your mark
award ceremony and is a
celebration to christina when
and her staff you actually rock
it was an exceptional program I
was really grateful that you
asked me to be one of the guest
speakers there at the program
on NOVEMBER 14 my staff
attended the abc risk academy
42 graduation congratulations
to the strong students that
were able to finish the program
and to feel good about
themselves and the things that
they do 25 graduates from
prince william county academy.
We are very proud of that.
Yesterday NOVEMBER 17, we had
our potomac district town hall
would like to send my sincere
thanks to and appreciation to
the economic development
committee team the planning
team transportation team and
prince william county water.
They were exceptional rib 70
guests there they all said that
they garnered a lot of
information from them so thank
you so much for coming to the
district and making sure that
people are aware and educated
of what's going on in the
district. Upcoming events
NOVEMBER 20, we look forward to
having the opportunity to
present the military veterans
and public safety council and
women's leadership conference.
I will be participating in
that.
On the 22nd, 3's polar express
holiday parade in dumfries
bring your santa claus hat and
come and principate because it
will start at 9 am on the 22nd
it's a saturday in dumfries.
I just want to thank region
eight for reelecting me to the
virginia association of
counties board again. I wanted
to continue in serving for
prince william county and as
the chair of health and human
resources that's all have until
then happy thanks giving.
I have 45 seconds.
I'm also delighted to serve as
the vice chair northern
virginia and the rc preterm
25/26 that is excelling as well
that's all have really MADAM
Chair thank you so much.
>
Chair Jefferson: all right
thank you so much supervisor
boddye.
>> Kenny Boddye: thank you
MADAM Chair I will go in
reverse order of events first
want to thank everyone who came
out last night to occoquan
elementary for old bridge road
123 old bridge rd.
Public information meeting
really big kudos to the
transportation staff powell and
his team that cannot do support
we got a lot of good feedback
on some two very important
intersections on the old bridge
road corridor really glad that
so many folks cannot and have
some really good feedback and
conversation for us as we
continue to look at ways to
alleviate traffic and increase
safety in pedestrian
connectivity and them one of
the most important corridors in
the occoquan district. Also got
a chance to sit in on the joint
cog metro board meeting
yesterday both boards did
indeed adopt the dmv moves
initiative which does not touch
us as much as it touches the
inner core but it does set up a
scheme to hopefully stabilize
metro and also continue talking
about regional transit
hopefully there will be some
fruits of that effort that will
hopefully touch bre and be able
to establish some more stable
libel and frequent transit all
the way down here in prince
william county doses those in
other jurisdictions. Also had
the opportunity to pass friday
to be part of the swearing-in
ceremony for our new colleague
supervisor stuart it was really
great to meet his family I
should've brought my
four-year-old I didn't realize
you were going to bring your
four-year-olds. We have to
rectify that at some point I
was really happy to see that
historic moment for you I
wanted to celebrate you in that
regard. Also friday in the
morning I had a chance to go to
alongside my colleagues to the
ferc housing work session which
it was really productive it is
part of a new initiative to set
aside and create a strategic
plan for the northern virginia
regional commission on an issue
that I know is near and dear to
a lot of our hearts housing now
in the rc can step up and help
play more regional role in
helping all of the northern
virginia jurisdictions tackle
and find good policy and
messaging around housing that
was really great opportunity as
well.
Finally in terms of events i
think that is almost dead.
The last thing I will say on
events as supervisor bailey
said this our last meeting
before the thanksgiving holiday
I want to wish everybody a
great thanksgiving last thing I
will say on DECEMBER 2 when we
come back we will be looking at
the affordable dwelling unit
before the housing trust fund
staff put a lot of work into
that I know the met with
offices over the past month or
so because we did adopt
students back during the summer
I know we are near the finish
line on that.
I will be sending an email to
my colleagues shortly people
talk about some findings my
staff and I found recently in
regards to that and some
conversations we've had with
liza johnson and jones docket
about brief conversations with
ken executive as well so we are
almost there there are couple
of tweaks I would like to
consider before we adapt before
the housing trust fund policy
guidelines one of which is
loudoun county back in JUNE
adopted I should say revised
and reformed the policy to
develop more streamlined and
more friendly to getting awards
out faster frankly lot easier
to understand from applicants
and also this idea that some
other localities in the
commonwealth allow for the
process of actually reporting
company being administrative
process versus going through
the board again not proposing
anything for tonight but want
to give my colleagues heads up
about that will send a pretty
verbose everybody is used about
email for me here shortly I
want to put that on everyone's
radar
before I sent it out thank
you MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much I will save the
best for last I will go over to
supervisor gordy.
>> Tom Gordy: that was
insulting.
[Laughter] Scored
the rest of
you are second best to last
spring.
>> Tom Gordy: [Laughter]
Chopped liver.
There we go.
Quite a few things going on I
attended the prince william
chambers salute the armed
forces really appreciated col.
North's comments did a
fantastic job talking about our
veterans and service members
and their families and their
service and sacrifice on behalf
of our nation.
It was really great event and
congratulations to the chamber
for that event.
On the
fifth on 5 NOVEMBER.
[Unclear audio] The knoxville
horn baker lines this can be
something that we will be
talking more about in a couple
of weeks as we look at these
lines do cross lot of county
property we need to have a
conversation about that.
On NOVEMBER 8 I attended the
american legion post 14 veteran
appreciation luncheon it was a
great day to learn about
program they are raising funds
for to build veterans homes to
meet the veteran homeless
issues on their property in
manassas.
great effort they have got
there. Really appreciate the
invite to participate in that
luncheon. On 9 NOVEMBER, my
church, oakdale baptist church
celebrated its hundred 65th
anniversary.
It was great to for that
homecoming and to continue to
see the community of faith
continue to remain strong.
On 10 NOVEMBER first of all
happy birthday brains 250,
there you go. That day was
honored to join a lot of
veterans at t clay woods
elementary school veterans day
celebration and parade they do
a great job in celebrating our
veterans and bring out the
veterans from the knoxville
bristol committee also tended
to make your mark event on the
13th a great evening lot of
great brentsville company
recognized that night whether
they were one or whether they
were in the final running.
Really congratulation all of
the community businesses that
are certainly making a
difference for prince william
county. This past saturday I
was joined by chair jefferson
and supervisor vega at the pump
track drain ribbon-cutting
really appreciate the work of
parks foundation in helping to
raise the funds get that to
fruition I tell you to watch
three-year-old kids on a
bicycle riding up and down
these pump trucks it's amazing.
It was more amazing watching
the old guys do it.
Congratulations to the
community sorry serving as a
tourist destination as we have
people coming from outside the
county to participate.
mr. Shorter was there as well
thank you MR. Schlueter coming
out as well.
Ouple of items
on DECEMBER 8 we will be having
a listening session with chair
jefferson.
Regarding the
.
[Listing names] Will take place
from 630 from 6:30 pm to 8 pm
at the knoxville firehouse in
knoxville we want to invite the
community to come out and share
their perspectives amount want
to wish everybody a happy thing
skipping.
>> Margaret Angela Franklin:
thank you.
As mentioned by several of my
colleagues I also attended the
.
[Listing names] Conference also
just want to say
congratulations to our new
PRESIDENT Supervisor victor
angry those not familiar with.
[Listing names] Incredibly
important group basically
leading on behalf of all local
elected officials for the
entire commonwealth to the
general assembly it's a big job
obviously you have this board a
bus and looking forward to
bridging some gaps with the
general assembly looking
forward to supporting you
however I can also want to
congratulate supervisor kathy
smith from fairfax county who
is the new second vice
PRESIDENT Of congratulations
all of us are going to be able
to work really well together.
Also on the 12 hosted a
community meeting with several
communities in the foundation
of soil management program for
them to ask questions to give
an update on where things stand
so thank you to county staff
who was able to be there to
help answer some of those
questions. On the 13th I also
attended the make your mark
event hosted by economic
development committee great
event also just want to thank
carlos castro a total
supermarket cooperates to
stores in woodbridge on winning
one of the wards very proud of
all of our woodbridge
businesses. Also just want to
point out on the 15th, this
past weekend I hosted two
cleanups with keep prince
william beautiful on separate
structures of route 11 on the
northern end and one on the
southern and I would do thank
keep prince william beautiful
two helped organize and all the
volunteers who came out for
that.
Also I want to thank our local
chapter of omega psi phi
fraternity for their annual
scholarship banquet we were
also joined by former defense
secretary lloyd alston who
shared some remarks that was a
great event I just want to
thank the omega for the
incredible work to do here
locally.
Lastly in terms of recent
events I was able to be joined
by supervisor angry last night
for the gen. Assembly's
appropriations committee annual
retreat which was held here in
prince william county.
It was great to meet other
members of the committee to
talk about casually what some
of our priorities are with the
general assembly is looking to
do potentially, the next
session.
I just want to thank the
delegation and also other
members of the preparations
committee for having their
retreat here in town for
upcoming events very quickly on
the 21st, and a stone bridge
will be participating once
again validate treat lighting
at stonebridge towncenter the
holiday artesian market and
activities will start at 5 pm,
the tree lighting will be at 7
pm so feel free to come and
join and on DECEMBER 12, I will
be hosting the annual senior
holiday luncheon at the
woodbridge senior center I look
forward to seeing chris shorter
and liza johnson and whoever
else on the county staff was to
come and dance with our seniors
that will be fun allegedly
later that day I am going to
gainesville holiday party I
will tell you supervisor weir
and I had a thing where we had
the bourbon and eggnog you have
just a little bit of shoes to
fill their we always had a good
time looking forward to joining
you there welcome to the team.
>> Chair Jefferson: do you want
to say that out loud.
All) What is your event I want
to write that down so I can
compare holiday parties for
.
>> Yesli Vega: I thought we
were saving the best for last.
[Laughter] Undertaking let's
dive into it further I want to
thank our sponsors who were
able to donate 100 coats for
our annual coles district
co-chair this year I'm not sure
if it's government shut down
what's going on there's a lot
of need in our community if you
have generous donors that are
constantly asking during this
time year what they do to help
I would consider talking about
the various ways they can help
the community. Thank you to the
generous donors in every big
amount we certainly know that
those courts will be a blessing
for children they will not be
cold this winter season. On
NOVEMBER 5 I attended the
dineen transmission line open
house I attended the press
conference I also attended the
formal open house session I
wanted to hear for myself and
listen and talk to some of my
colleagues on the dais we
expressed that mutual
agreement
that we believe those
transmission plans should go
underground ethical position we
will continue to have I want to
thank all of the members of the
committee that showed up and it
to the organizers of the press
conference leading up to the
open house on 11/9 I attended.
[Listing names] It was a long
essay long because I was in
such good company that I didn't
want it to end up missing that
sarcastically I mean it. We had
a great time prince william
county was represented well I
want to give a special shout
out to nikki always goes above
and beyond ensuring we are
taken care of and to glenn who
does a great job at advocating
for priorities here in prince
william county and of course
the county attorney who keeps
us in line.
The second set of eyes that we
have with county executive.
Thank you for joining us at.
[Listing names] On the 12th, i
attended the veterans docket
ceremony with supervisor angry
and supervisor franklin at our
last board meeting I talked
about the drug treatment court
and how incredible it is to be
able to put his faith in these
folks achieving such a great
accomplishment I will put a
plug-in if you have not gone to
the veterans docket ceremony I
recommend that you do because
it is really good to see that
the work that this program does
and how folks are able to
overcome and continue to become
productive members of society.
N the 13th, I had my early
thanks giving lunch with folks
at the manassas health and
rehab center for bill who want
to volunteer or have kids high
schoolers thought to help out
we have a lot of need at
nursing homes and facilities of
the sort you don't have loved
ones during the holiday season
if you have some spare time I
would recommend that you go by
and sit down and have a cuppa
coffee lunch with these folks
who would be very blessed to
have some company I will say
that joanne is such a blessing
she's the one that runs this
program she says that typically
during NOVEMBER and DECEMBER
she does not know what to do
with the amount of people that
want to come by. She says there
are other months throughout the
year where we are lonely and
nobody comes. You have 12
months in the year so if you
have the time or have somebody
that is interested I recommend
these organizations. Two
attended MR. Mark event will
take it in a different
direction christina your
rockstar thank you for putting
such a great event on also what
I like trevor I did not know he
was quite the comedian in my
opinion he was the highlight of
the night.
Of course everybody had won an
award but he was great thank
you to victoria from cakes by
happy eatery was one of my
guests along with lisa the
owner of east coast wings and
grill.
I attended the pump truck
opening along with supervisor
gordy and chair jefferson I
think this a great addition to
our parks and recreation
portfolio when the staff is
part of anytime we get to it he
becomes even happier on the
20th I will be partaking as a
panelist on the own your voice
public speaking and leadership
presence this is hosted by the
realtors association of prince
william county and the women's
council of realtors I want to
end by quickly inviting
everybody will not name you I
will say expect to see every
member of the board attend the
coles district annual district
christmas tree lighting
ceremony I did have most of the
board attend last year I think
it was a good time. I hope to
see everybody this year it will
take place on DECEMBER 6 at the
lucasville school at 5 pm
lastly, it's been a rough year
for a lot of us I know you're
on the dais we had some very
challenging times in our
personal lives I just want to
say that not just in the month
of NOVEMBER or around at the
time of things event but
throughout the whole year I'm
thankful for the love of my
family the support of my
friends a lot of you sit on the
status despite our political
differences I just want to let
the people prince william
county no there is a lot of
love lot of respect goes on
behind the scenes that we MAY
go at it from time to time on
the dais but at the end of the
day we are there for each other
it is not just words that are
said it is a true reflection of
love that has been demonstrated
to me personally by your
actions I just want to say I'm
very thankful for you all and
wish everybody a happy thanks
giving hope to see you all at
the christmas tree lighting
ceremony school and thank you
so very much that means all is
forgiven with what I said
earlier the best for last.
Sometimes somebody is to be
valedictorian for today today
it is victor angry holland is
out of order.
>> there is something I just
learned. We have an
announcement from the
governor's office that we
received $1.1 million for the
that goes to the american
battlefield trust for the
acquisition of hundred 52.2
acres at bristow station
battlefield to further expand
the bristol battlefield and so
that was announced today I just
want to get that out to the
community thank the governor
for including the bristol
battlefield entities grants
over $15 million was given away
we got 1.1 million of it thank
you.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
[Applause].
Let's stop trying to steal
victor's shine
.
[Laughter] Ability first of all
I do look forward to doing the
town hall with you tom
supervisor gordy on DECEMBER 8
because I think there a lot of
important discussions to be
had.
I really want to say that
prince william county is making
moves.
Congratulations to supervisor
bailey for been named to chair
at brc. I didn't really want
uplift supervisor victor angry
supervisor franklin was saying
.
[Listing names] Virginia
association of counties plays a
very important role within our
commonwealth.
With being the voice of the
counties legislating for our
combined advocating for our
combined legislative agenda so
the fact that supervisor angry
has been named the PRESIDENT
Really is truly a big deal.
The last person there have been
three other people from prince
william county who were named
the chair last one was john
jenkins. That was back in 1997.
We don't want to know I don't
want to know how old anyone
was.
Stop that.
We are cowboys fans that is
okay. I really want uplift that
that is such a big deal it is
been decades since prince
william county somebody from
prince william county has been
a chair so thank you for taking
on this tremendous
responsibility this amazing
opportunity.
We are looking forward to great
things from you this is really
significant as you've heard
from a number of people saying
it I want to use my time to
really uplift you victor
because I'm so very proud of
you I'm so very proud of the
work you've done you are the
most senior member of this
board which that's not saying
much but that's okay.
[Laughter] You are the most
senior member of this board
looking forward to your
leadership on.
[Listing names] With that I
will turn the floor over to you
for your update.
>> Victor Angry: no comments.
Laughter].
Let me open this up it's kind
of a lot.
Salute to the armed
forces great event you heard a
lot about that you heard a lot
about that.
[Listing names] Thank you
everybody that was there
veterans docket I got to tell
you I will say what supervisor
vega said if you have not
attended one please attend
those we must always ensure we
keep our dockets in prince
william county are drug docket
in our veterans docket and the
other docket they want to
create we will first that it
make sure is good I think you
dockets are missing the MR.
Mark event christina wang and
your team outstanding I just
want to recognize my businesses
businesses throughout the
county are very important rj
sinkler with prince william as
consider this man was homegrown
he was a kid it's getting there
he bought the building is
teaching kids now remember we
got the deal with the
washington capitals during the
following piece he is doing big
things robert arrington came to
the county out of dc he was a
lawyer and his wife they opened
the afc urgent care on many
feel right bundle wendy's I
forget the grocery store in
that area.
[Listing names] School of rock
he has a school of rock just
like the movie where he is
teaching kids and adults and
make go over there and want to
play for base with this because
he just opened his business
great for is sam holman with
rock creek properties purchased
for shopping centers here in
bell city and started literally
remodeling refurbishing them he
did the concrete the asphalt
the painting of the buildings
it is been great I just want to
thank all of them for what they
have done.
Then the jail basic academy
graduation had the privilege of
being the speaker over there to
the graduating class which went
very well. Thank everybody that
was in the house that was
really good.
We've had a few anyway thank
everybody for being there for
that welcome to the family to
our latest 25 employees are
not. I do want to thank omega
psi phi fraternity inc. They
honored me with being a citizen
of the earth there. That was
really big deal big event
didn't know that was happening
I was very honored to receive
that award from them.
I just wanted to mention that
congratulations to pastor
sandra james they will do her
best royal investiture if you
all for saturday she is now
running first mountain zion
church congratulations to her
I'm sure we will hear more from
her in attending the church.
Want to just mention and see
where we go with this I gave
the director for the arts
council to look at dissolving.
You also saw that memo I don't
know if this is what it needed
the next steps for providing
directly to staff to draft a
resolution to dissolve it
within a date they got in here
basically before 30 JUNE 2026
I'd like to start the year off
without being dissolved I don't
know if you need or you need to
or we need to come back to that
I know the last meeting is
DECEMBER 16 I don't know if we
can make that decision now I
want to give you a date because
we have not given you a date if
that is something to discuss
with this board you want to
talk about that now or hold it
until DECEMBER 16?
I don't know if it is a
directive I'm just trying to
give a date on that.
>> it would need to be a
directive. The directive was
really a recommendation of
ultimately you or another board
member would be
interested in
providing the directive we
would need for it to be done.
>> Victor Angry: do we want to
come back on DECEMBER 16 and
provide that
.
>> please share your directive
language with the board and the
chief of staff then you can
come back give the directive.
>> Victor Angry: let me swing
through to make sure I got the
last and the greatest one i
want to thank michael and ari
from first lego league metal
jackets let me tell you
something we must always
support these young folks and
what they are doing they had a
two day competition we have
folks coming in from chantilly
from loudoun county from
richmond county from forth
south of richmond county all
the schools came to be part of
this competition this lego tech
competition I would tell you a
note this is the schools
program I was there with tracy
blake yet so schools that was
amazing what you think michael
and ari for giving me the
tour's these two young people
stood up a lot of the stuff and
they wanted they have kids and
they are as young as five years
old it was pretty amazing to
watch over the weekend.
If you have not seen that I
would ask that we get involved
and we keep this first lego
league movement going because
that is exactly what we need in
this county for our youth going
forward. That is it that is my
I'm done I want to praise what
they are doing over there that
is a great thing. I'm done
thank you venture.
>> Chair Jefferson: we are back
before we go to 7 o'clock we
have some things to finish with
closed session.
I'd like to go ahead and
certify what we discussed we
will continue in closed session
we have other additional items
we were not able to get to for
the first item I would like to
guess we will have to do a
motion correct emotion
certified I like to get a
motion to certify we discussed.
>> so moved.
>> second.
>> Chair Jefferson: do I need a
motion or report out what we
agreed to
.
>> Michele Robl,County
Attorney: [Unclear audio]
>> Chair Jefferson: I would
like to get a motion to
.
>> this is just to certify.
>> Chair Jefferson: this is
just to certify that is
unanimous thank you I would
like to get a motion to name
supervisor
yesli vega as chair
pro tem.
>> Kenny
Boddye: I make a motion
to approve.
> Chair
Jefferson: and discussion.
Let's take a vote.
Vote unanimous supervisor vega
or abstaining from the vote.
>> Chair Jefferson: for the
next one would likely get a
motion to replace victor angry
as a regular member of the
board
audit committee or
and name
of supervisor george stewart.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice
Chair: I
make a motion to approve.
>
Chair Jefferson: including MR.
Angry is an alternate.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair: I
make a motion to approve
.
>> Kenny Boddye: I second the
motion.
>> Chair Jefferson: I can do
all of those the rest I will do
I would like a motion to we
will do that when over to name
george stewart as a regular
member of the board audit
committee he will replace
supervisor victor angry will
not be an alternate on the
committee I would like to name
george stewart to join the
audit committee as an alternate
would like to name george
stewart as a regular for the
potomac and rappahannock
transportation commission known
as prtc and to name
him on the
climate energy environment
policy committee and the
chesapeake
bay and water
resources policy committee
those are two separate
committees in the metropolitan
washington council of
governments.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair: I
make a motion to approve.
>
Kenny Boddye: I second the
motion he will be an alternate
chesapeake bay.
>> Chair Jefferson: it is been
properly moved and seconded any
discussion let's vote.
Vote unanimous supervisor
stewart abstaining from the
vote.
>> Chair Jefferson: just to
name after we finish with
everything with the 7 o'clock
meeting will go back into
closed session we have two
additional items to discuss
with that it is now 7:03 pm we
are going to start our evening
session I would like to begin
with 13 a with 13 ai would like
to ask the applicant to come up
and present to us.
>> MADAM Chair if I could
afford the applicant comes up
and speaks I would like to note
that tonight as we start to
take a look at this case we
will notice that there will be
different from the usual cases.
We've seen in the past.
As you MAY be aware of the comp
plan opened up shortly after
the passage developers began
drawing up plans to bring
presidential communities to the
area between sudley manor drive
and rawlins ford road now
renters of other commitments of
the smart growth sustainable
peripheral plan for road
schools parks please inquire
the mistakes of overdevelopment
before road schools and several
services already are what led
to the challenges we saw in the
2000 along lindholm road and a
severe opposition to further
develop meant at the time
unfortunately the bad memories
of that approach still linger
for many in our community when
I saw that seven members were
being proposed I sat down with
the developers and asked him to
take a different approach.
Noting that the whole would be
greater than the sum of the
parts I asked him to come up
with a unified approach to
roads parks and schools fire
and police to community design
along ben hill rd. And other
elements. While there are legal
limitations imposed by the gen.
Assembly and how far we can go
resort to work within the
parameters we have district the
right balance tonight is the
first case we will see that
incorporates a unified plan a
lot of work over the past
nearly 2 years has been put
into identifying the challenges
engaging with neighboring
communities and seeking
solutions to address the
challenges.
My hope is that this helps us
take a smarter more holistic
approach to development I
appreciate county staff support
for this approach particularly
those within our transportation
planning departments and I hope
this will better serve our
county going forward thank you
MADAM Chair.
>> Chair Jefferson: that you so
very much.
You MAY approach.
>> Applicant: good evening and
CHAIRMAN And members of the
board I'm sherman patrick with
competence and doing we are
here for present brookfield
homes in the supplication for
rezoning the property is
located on the ben hill rd.,
glendora appreciated MR. Gray's
introduction it will cut down
on the amount of time I will be
spending your your this evening
trying to keep this as brief as
possible. I have about 15
slides I will spend more time
on this first slide probably
then any of the others.
The property on this case is
located on the north side of
ben hill rd. W. Of great mark
brad johnson plan community the
application was submitted in
2023 FEBRUARY 2023 it was hard
by the planning commission the
first time in FEBRUARY 2025 and
then in MAY 2025. The planning
commission recommended approval
after hearing this past MAY
proffered conditions include
master zoning plan design
guidelines for architectural
and landscaping treatments
throughout the community a 50
foot buffer along ben hill rd.
And many other measures to
assure a quality of design that
would be a benchmark along ben
hill rd.
And be continued throughout the
length of ben hill rd.
As supervisor gordy was
striving for.
In addition there is a water
quality monitoring contribution
that is proffered $75 per acre
there is a fire rescue
contribution of $1200 personal
family dwelling $1170 personal
family attached townhouse.
The schools will receive a
$5000 per unit for the market
rate units in the proposed
development and if the parks
and recreation department will
receive 47 for the market rate
units in the proposed
development and if the parks
and recreation department will
receive $4700 per single-family
dwelling in $3900 per single
family attached in addition to
the dedication of a 10.5 acre
property that brookfield owns
that is a long broad run it is
somewhat separated from the
site it fills in the missing
link of the broad run linear
trail that is along linton hall
road. There are 310 foot wide
shared use path's the trails
paved asphalt trails along ben
hill rd.
1 both sides of ben hill rd. I
will cover that were in the
transportation section there
will be one notably also that
will extended northward from
ben hill rd. This development
to connect to the adjoining
property so it will eventually
become a connection to the
direct connection to the broad
run linear trail.
That is north of this property.
There is a $17,000 per unit
contribution both townhouses
and single-family detached for
the improvement of ben hill rd.
And many of the details about
the improvement of the road
that will be covered further on
in the application for the
discussion. The property is 55
acres it is the conference of
planets calling for 1-4
dwelling units per acre the
existing zoning is a applicant
is proposing three dwelling
units per acre or total of 168
it dwelling units there will be
151 market rate dwelling units
at different price points and
they will be affordable
commitment to affordable
workforce housing of 17 minutes
that is 10% of the total 46%
open space which is generous
open space area of a project of
this size.
Housing chapter of the
conference of plan knows the
area in fact the entire nation
is facing a significant housing
shortage the net result of that
is escalating housing prices
the comprehensive plan does two
things in that regard it
encourages a diversity of
housing at different price
points which this project
includes it also encourages the
provision of affordable housing
and workforce housing which
this application also provides
it will be eight households
eight homes that will be
constructed that will be
affordable to households
earning 80% of the area median
income and then home still be
affordable to households
earning 120% of the area median
income balance of the homes
will be considered market rate
homes as you can see from this
exhibit house types are varied
by with.
In this case we are
talking about a 70 foot wide
lot with that affects the width
of the house that affects the
size of the homes some of the
single family detached will be
smaller lots houses will follow
that in comparison to the size
of them then with respect to
the single family attached it's
a little bit easier to see a
direct relationship between the
lot size and the unit with but
there will be 24 foot wide
single-family attached 20 foot
and 16 foot wide single-family
attached. This provides you a
mixture of five different
housing styles that gives you a
diversity of price points that
is something that is very badly
needed in the market.
At the planning commission in
FEBRUARY we heard from a
neighbor that owns this
property here accesses 6 acres,
it's immediately adjacent to
the strathmore proposal
strathmore has a 50 foot buffer
against that property this
neighbor was very interested in
what the impacts might be or
how that was going to affect
their enjoyment of their own.
The property
is outlined here in
this aerial photograph, that
issue has been resolved
brookfield met with them they
have the property under
contract now this property will
be purchased by brookfield they
have a good arrangement between
the two of them for their
transitioning from the site
settlement would occur after
the rezoning. Then there will
be some time for them to take
their time to relocate
eventually brookfield will
probably come in with the
rezoning for this piece of
property it is in nonconforming
a1 zone lot you can see from
this photograph there is a
large water feature upon the
property you cannot quite make
it out but there is a stream
that comes into the property
through here it is pretty much
environmentally constrained
there will be no significant
increase in the number of
dwelling units as a result of
this when it comes in later on.
Schools is always a very
important component of the
analysis you heard supervisor
gordy mentioned earlier school
capacity in enrollment is
something we give careful
consideration the analysis of
available school capacity in
this area focus to some
challenges that the school
system is facing. Those
challenges include instances
where there are schools that
are substantially overcrowded
and the schools that are being
utilized under capacity. If a
school is being utilized in the
capacity and it is not
operating efficiently sometimes
they do not have sufficient
funding to provide the special
programs that are expected in
the community. There is a
negative impact of being under
enrolled if you will there is a
declining public school
enrollment across the county we
were not able to get a
memorandum this is an issue
that is still unfolding for the
school board there will have to
be making some difficult
decisions in the future to
address these challenges what
we provided this evening is a
collection of public statements
that have been in the media
about their recommendation this
is an issue that gets resolved
at their level possibly through
school district as through the
school assignments which I will
show you an example of in the
second. The knoxville school
provides elementary and middle
school education for this site
at the present time when the
district boundaries are drawn.
The knoxville school is
overcapacity.
The brentsville district
article is under capacity it
has available capacity to serve
the needs of this particular
project.
We mentioned let's
see, I think I skipped a slide.
I did.
This is showing the declining
enrollment challenges the
school board is facing there is
been a's persistent reduction
over the past seven years of
3000 students fewer than are
enrolled in county schools in
the next four years there is
expectation that another 43,000
students would be in the system
if you will.
[Unclear audio] The boundaries
of the seven applications that
supervisor gordy mentioned that
were requested to do a
collaborative effort to analyze
the theme public infrastructure
impacts that would come from
the collective results of these
different developments.
There was a lot of focus on
schools and transportation
there was some significant
challenges there.
The conclusions of this
, worked
up the $5000 per unit monetary
contribution would be
consistent with the impacts
that were being created and
consistent with the state code
parameters for providing
monetary providing for
offsetting impacts of public
infrastructure. Also the other
would rezoning is dedicating a
middle school site.
On this map you see then hill
road coming through the
property this alignment here is
sutley manor road the
development did you see over
here is.
[Listing names] There is quite
a bit of residential
development in this area
suburban residential type
development on the north side
of ben hill wrote today about
this out of the view is
kingsburg development that is
asked by by linville road it is
coming in the direction of
linda hall road corridor.
Trathmore is outlined right
here we recommend the shape
here there's a gold color to
try to help it stand out these
other applications have been
filed most of these have been
filed by other applicants
brookfield has recently filed
the silver bell case that is
been into the county for a
little over six weeks we are
awaiting comments on the first
review.
The applicant in the master
develop and study came up with
a commonsense type of approach
that could be used for selling
students from these
developments to existing
schools in the area.
It would relieve the capacity
problems at knoxville school.
This is not this chart showing
how students would flow from
elementary school to middle
school twice school is not
requiring the redistricting of
any students that are currently
attending school.
These are from vacant parcels
that are part of this rezoning
or these seven rezoning
applications that we talk
about.
Actually I'm sorry there were
an additional six proposals
that were added to the analysis
there were six zoning cases
that had been approved or were
very near approval going
through the system those were
added. When it comes to schools
analysis we are not analyzing
just the seven applicants that
we've given the title
application where including six
other applications there in the
vicinity and also served by the
same schools I have several
slides to give you a sense of
what the enrollments are at the
present time and what they
would be as a result of this
development this late
projection up to 2037 you see
here that for the elementary
school level the glenn kirk
elementary school after the
projected students that are
based on without the approval
of the seven cases, then read
these cases into the mix there
are still hundred 59 and the
seats capacity beyond what is
being required for the
developments. Cedar point
elementary school you have a
similar margin it's still 51
empty seat after all of these
rezoning's are addressed.
Through the assignment process
that is been proposed for rt
clay would after all of the
students are added would have
124 empty seats what is
striking about these charts is
uc that these schools and the
school are 50% or below
capacity without some type of
growth being added to those.
Which is problematic.
This is the same type of format
we have the force dollar middle
school even after the addition
of the 13 cases you have
hundred and 10 empty seats that
is including the 210 seat
expansion that is in the 2028
cip. It will be funded with a
$5000 per unit contribution
would come from this
application and the other vint
hill applicants. Over
gainesville middle school same
thing only there would be 398
empty seats after the addition
of all three of these all 13 of
these proposals.
Then high school again sort of
the same situation patriot high
school would have 534 empty
seats afterwards gainesville
high school but have 81 seats.
What we tried to propose is a
commonsense way of distributing
the students that will be
generated by this new growth as
opposed to saying that you have
to redistrict existing
communities which is always a
very sensitive point. There MAY
be some other efficiencies that
the school board games and they
decide to buy redistricting
that is a decision that would
be up to them we think there is
an opportunity here to address
the need.
With respect to the vint hill
road widening and making it
consistent there is a design
that is been agreed upon by the
vint hill road developers they
have agreed to this 120 foot
right-of-way section to see
right here there will be two
lanes in each direction 16 foot
median and a 10 foot wide
shared use path on both sides
of the road which is not
required in the normal county
standards or aetna v.Standards
in addition to that there is a
utility easement and a 50 foot
landscape buffer along both
sides of the road which is also
not required under the existing
standards requirement.
This exhibit is showing for
same project that all of the
projects that are part of the
proposal these are the traffic
generating vint hill
applications the strathmore
piece is right here again.
With respect to strathmore
there is no negative impact on
the level of service or
capacity on the vint hill road.
It is only through the
participation and collaborative
effort that strathmore is
obligated to provide additional
improvements and monetary
contributions to make sure that
vint hill road has a uniform
cross-section and is built in a
way that is addressing the
needs of growth.
The proffers that are being
proposed provide for the
oversight of a development
agreement coordinated effort by
the prince william county
department of transportation
there is a commitment to join
develop meant agreement by the
applicant's will be dedication
of right away and monetary
contributions to the county or
to the joint development fund
and phasing that assures that
the impacts of home
construction to not get ahead
of the road construction and
road level of service. I think
that was a very important
feature that supervisor gordy
wanted to attain from this.
There also provisions for
interim improvements is
necessary to maintain the
levels of service if the
opportunity arises for the
county to be able to leverage
the additional improvements in
the corridor through taking
direct supervision of the
deconstruction of these road
improvements the county has the
flexibility to do that if we
take all the funding being
provided by the joint
development agreement fund and
use that for road construction.
This is a flowchart prepared by
the transportation department
to keep track of the different
pieces would go.
I'm going to try to summarize
that very briefly the first
column here is the first
scenario is actually just if
one reason we submitted that
lays out how they funding would
be collected then the applicant
would complete clearing and
grading across their property
and provide improvements
necessary to maintain the
levels of service. They also
dedicate the right way.
The second scenario is if all
of these seven or 11 zoning I'm
getting the numbers mixed up
all seven cases that were part
of the transportation agreement
are approved in that instance
you have really two columns
this is just decision points
made along the way but you have
two columns because the first
column is indicating the
developers are completing the
road through their joint
element agreement through their
private clinician overseen by
the prince william county
transportation department the
other column is in the event
the prince william county
trepidation department decides
it would like to take the
project and provided direct
supervision.
That would presumably happen if
there is a wait to get
regularly sharing funds or
additional funding that would
allow them to leverage things
and get bit better and more
improvement in that quarter.
Then the final scenario here is
for in the event over several
of the seven applications that
are part of the transportation
agreement would be approved
operationally is the same as
this over here there still
decision where the county can
take it over if the county does
not take over there is a joint
develop meant agreement and
improvements will be provided
in a phased fashion and in a
way that will maintain levels
of service throughout the
length of the concept area for
the improvements to vint hill
road.
This concludes the presentation
the applicant is addressing the
prince william county needs as
well as the master development
plan is looking at the prince
william county needs for
schools particularly
transportation it is compatible
with the densities that are in
the area of the development
area of the project obviously
.
[Listing names] Which is a
large plant community school
assignments are suggested that
could avoid the issue that,
from redistricting but that is
truly a schoolboard discussion
that needs to be made at a
later date. But the vint hill
road four-lane improvements on
the part of this application
and the agreement between the
collaborative effort that
really stands out from all the
earth is only cases that I've
witnessed the time I've been
around here in doing this. This
is really pretty exceptional
type of project that has been
undertaken I think everyone
involved transportation
department as well as the
different applicants are to be
commended for this effort.
If you have any questions I'd
be happy to answer them.
>> Chair Jefferson: I don't see
anything in the queue.
Thank you so very much we will
now go on to the county.
>> Scott Meyer: planning
office. As sherman pointed out
that this project has been a
collaborative effort for the
vint hill corridor this is been
in process for just about 2.5
years to clarify it is counter
numerous different iterations
of different layout changes it
initially went to the planning
commission in FEBRUARY then it
went to the planning commission
for final action in MAY then it
went to the planning commission
for final action in MAY 2025,
there has been a lot of
coordination with the various
applicants parties in this
corridor just to kind of point
that out.
you've been oriented with the
site busier this is strathmore
this is the first project in
the seven the 720 quarter
projects to which sherman was
mentioning just to clarify this
is the first project in the
density is 3.03 dwelling units
per acre proposed bridge which
we feel is very much in line
with the 1-4 in the residential
expected densities. Staff is
recommended approval is 55
acres we will have a total of
168 residential units
consisting of single-family
detached and single-family
attached all of the affordable
units are the single-family
attached there is various
widths and so forth that
sherman mentioned just wanted
to get your orientation on that
matter this is on the north
side of vint hill road. Just to
clarify that this is and what
is the development area braemar
is to the east you will see
right here we are looking for
compatibility that is not to
ignore the fact that there is a
massive infrastructure outlay
for this whole area. This is
drastically going to change the
whole corridor of this area we
have been in coordination with
the applicant and know
supervisor gordy office has
been doing a lot of endeavors
with that. This is where we are
right now is currently zoned
a-1 just to give you an idea.
This is showing all project
right here I just marked with
red start the strathmore
product again just the first
one that is before the board
this is showing material this
in the context of the project
the frontage improvements are
being made there is a proposed
realignment of pioneer drive
there is a roundabout that is
ultimately proposed in this
area.
We are focusing here on the
strathmore site itself.
This is from the design
guidelines as sherman mentioned
there numerous connections to
the external part of the site
is just trying to give you an
orientation of any perspective
of how it will link to the
other projects greenhaven to
the east the village of broad
run to the west although what
is on the south side of vint
hill road and as sherman
mentioned the stewart project
property bargaining is now
under contract it was cold
outside before we are looking
at 50 foot contiguous buffer
along the frontage that was
another very important aspect
of this along with different
easements and so forth. This is
showing the layout again not to
go into a lot of detail, the
affordable most affordable
units are in the interior part
of the site here in yellow, all
the single-family attached we
have single-family detached,
throughout the site 46% open
space which we feel is quite
noted this from the master
zoning plan which sherman has
talked about. One of the
environmental things just to
mention is that the
prioritization of the resources
we had some discussion with
over time we feel we are in a
better spot now than we were
before there is a 55 inch wide
what you think is the county
champions the white oak the
applicant is doing significant
strides to save it but however
we are still concerned about
how well this will be done in
total because the applicant on
the west side of the village
side is not doing exactly what
this applicant is doing what
you do when you have a tree on
the property line can do the
best you can on your side. I
just want to mention that as
well this is included in a
self-report vint hill
improvement concept plan this
is the current alignment of
pioneer.
This is in the back of the
staff report there will be a
roundabout plan here we feel
the applicant is doing their
share forth their impacts to
the axis improvements along the
frontage.
These are from the design
guidelines of single-family
detached single-family
attached. There is a modified
townhouse detail which is
allowing for reduction of 16
feet in width we feel this
provides the variety of houses
that were looking for in this
area there is also a berm
utility easement it took a
while to get to this point this
is just showing different
perspectives there is entrance
features we try to look for
continuity with the site and
the other sites I cannot speak
to all the other sites since
this is the first one without
disabilities going to set the
trend for what happens down the
stream with the other
developments.
This is another perspective
here with the staff report we
feel all the planning
components are consistent
environment want to point out
that these are still permitting
weaknesses that I need to
mention because were telling
all sides in our analysis feels
the applicant has done a really
commendable job with their
impacts to these best ministry
at white oak but we feel that
we still are not sure how
successful that would be in
time with the other development
to the west there are residual
impacts to on-site wetlands
extremes overall could feel the
applicant has observed the lay
of the land and resources with
the schools, there is available
hospital capacity staff has not
vetted the additional analysis
that the applicant is done for
schools. Just to point out the
combined applicants have done
their separate analysis for
this corridor and it vint hill
for schools this is included in
the back of my staff report.
Sherman spent a lot of time
talking about schools
redistricting. My planning
staff report does not get into
that scope.
We are going by what schools
has provided us it goes back to
MARCH 2025 redistricting and
other things is another
conversation to be had I know
supervisor gordy we discussed
that.
We just have not done a lot of
additional analysis with
schools.
We feel that there is a level
of uncertainty based on
assumptions that are made we
feel with the monetary
contribution that is provided
the extra capacity the trends
in producing yield from others
developments will have on
schools we feel it will be
mitigated we can only speak to
the analysis the schools have
given us.
Just want to mention that as
well.
Also there was quarter study
which was kicked off last small
area plan for the vint hill
corridor that was last night of
course the timing of this
strathmore has been in the
pipeline for a long time
strathmore is before you
tonight but the small area plan
was officially kicked off last
night by the planning office
with these different products
we now have more formal
guidance and help we are going
to assess the cumulative impact
in this quarter. I also want to
mention the process timing of
the small area plan is in its
early stages obviously those
impacts are not known right now
strathmore has done as much as
it could have done given the
timing and its evolution over
time.
We feel we are in a supportable
spot with the application
planning commission did
ultimately recommend approval
with proffers they did it in
JANUARY there was additional
consideration by the board of
county supervisors that was
made they've been reflected in
the proffers we are permitting
are provoked with the proffers
dated OCTOBER 3 we feel the
density is consistent it is a
cohesive plan makes development
we need rooftops if it feels
different affordable housing
needs.
It's in line with various
objectives of the strategic
plan reduced transportation
staff here we have also
environment. Here of course the
applicant and I am happy to
answer any questions for you
thank you very much.
>> Chair Jefferson: anybody
have any questions for staff?
All right supervisor stewart.
>> George Stewart: I have a
question for transportation.
By the look of the overall?
It appears from the least we
have four lanes with things
down to two lanes open back up
to four lanes and back down to
two lanes. Once more open up
the four lanes for very short
period of time back down to two
lanes.
According to the traffic
study there is going to be
23,000 more trips have you
first of all coordinated with.
[Listing names] County so they
can handle that much traffic
coming their way [Listing
names] County so they can
handle that much traffic coming
their way, #1, and number two
why not
just make it four lanes
all the way through to avoid
bottlenecking it occurs to me
you will get bottlenecking
anyway once you enter.
[Listing names].
>> department of
transportation. Supervisor
stewart great?
I will start with your first
regarding coordination in terms
of the traffic analysis we work
with the applicant and v.The
study area typically when we
look at a rezoning like this or
multiple in an area we look at
a specific study area we
typically don't go beyond the
limits especially if it's in a
different county unless it's
adjacent to a neighboring
county.
N our comp plan we
have vint hill's four lanes
between rollins fourth road and
route 28 west of rollins fourth
road comes to length there are
certain assumptions made to
answer your question we do not
coordinate with.
[Listing names]
County we focus
within the study area at the
intersections that play.
>> can address your other
question when it comes to the
widening.
[Listing names] Is our
transportation case planner
he's been heavily involved away
the
vint hill corridor is
developed is essentially 2
miles widening between.
[Listing names] And cattle run
when we look at the widening we
look at impact electric and tio
for different days look that
developments individually also
looked at development as a
whole to include the seven that
we are discussing. But that tia
showed was impacts to several
key intersections within the 2
mile corridor since the focus
of the lightning was within the
2 mile corridor.
>> George Stewart: that doesn't
exactly answer my question I
will put more in a flat footed
parts before collecting that
bend in the road to the west
that is more of a blind corner
the point is this is a very
dangerous rural road to have
been fatalities and other
accidents, is that part of the
road not being widened because
proffers did not want to be
given for that specific area to
make the whole thing for lanes
all the way through.
>> it was part of the oral
discussion with one of the
things we look at when we
looked at the quarter
improvement was the roadway
improvement we want to look at
what is feasible within the
number of developments coming
in and the improvements being
proposed when it comes to
safety that is something
we
looked at the applicant is
relying as part of the cattle
run case there relighting
the
curve in the road one of the
things we work with the
applicant on is the roundabout
and allison asked alex when he
returns from 2-4 lanes around
about will serve as a traffic
control but a safety measure as
you transition from 2-4 lanes.
>> George Stewart: no more
questions.
School and.
>> Yesli Vega: come back.
I have just a few questions I
will ask for very brief
responses so I don't run out of
time and later manager if there
is another opportunity for
folks to expand they can do so.
Based on discussions with my
office on the 13th we were
informed that the currently the
only reason vint hill needs
widening is because of the
proposed projects on the table.
Is that still the understanding
.
>> that is correct.
>> Yesli Vega: my question is
understanding that this project
stands alone for scrutiny for
the products plan to come to
the area are related as they
side.
>> the intent is for them to
come to a jd
.
>> Yesli Vega: have those
circumstances changed.
>>,where.
>> Yesli Vega: does this mean
these products are initiating
the need for the road
improvements.
>> yes they are
.
>> Yesli Vega:
if traffic
volumes were unchanged from
current levels with these
improvements be necessary for
public safety or traffic flow.
>> for congestion purposes it
would not be necessary.
>> Yesli Vega: thank you does
this now then mean that the
current road is suitable for
travel should nothing change.
>> yes.
>> Yesli Vega: I was also
informed that there are no
current safety concerns as the
accident but have been
occurring in this area are
largely due to driver behavior
rather than road conditions is
this likert.
>> that is a part of it there
was a recent incident at owl's
nest we believe it was related
to behavior I have to confirm
we did look into that x and.
>> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM
Chair those are the questions I
have for now.
>> Chair Jefferson: before I go
to supervisor and group when
you talk about driver behavior
he took my speeding.
>> speeding if it's not related
to the design of the roadway
not yielding to traffic
speeding typically under the
influence.
>> Chair Jefferson: I just want
to go back to that blind spot
that curve. Haven't there been
a lot of fatalities or anything
related to that curve if people
are speeding not paying
attention going fast or on that
curve.
>> in a recent review after
confirm there's been some
incident what we call off road
losing control that is typical
in a roadway like this we can
come back with the exact
incident.
>> Chair Jefferson: I guess my
question driver behavior is
dependent on the road and
design
because vint hill is a
place absent people go fast
because they feel they can
correct.
>> correct.
>> Chair Jefferson: I have no
more questions.
>> Victor Angry: not for you in
the seven projects all of these
developments come together I
don't know if I heard this I
know we are just talk about one
now interpersonal connections
are we going to connect these
neighborhoods I will ask for
your one of them I guess we
have six more to go I would
really hope so that is kind of
the best way to get around.
>> Applicant: there was a great
deal of attention for these
interpersonal connection police
department whenever the
opportunity was
available and
was provided.
>> Chair Jefferson:
>> Kenny Boddye: scott if you
can come back up.
Thank you for the presentation
thank you to the applicant
taken to the transportation
staff a couple of quick
questions for me scott in your
presentation you always do a
really good job of establishing
the context of the land use
around both proposed and
current if you can bring that
back up quickly.
I think it is your first or
second slide I think your
second slide I appreciate that
code I think this is a really
good job of highlighting where
this is lot of folks who have
given concern has tried to make
it seem like there's some
far-flung place in the rural
area where there is an existing
rpc community but not
predicable parcels to the east.
From your expertise as a
planner to me given how much
open space is being proposed
here would this be an
appropriate transition point
from the very heavy
or
preestablished community as we
go further out?
>> Scott Meyer: we feel yes
given the context it does
provide for that transition.
>> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate
that resent this is in the
development area can you
elaborate on that.
>> Scott Meyer: correct we had
air rural area the rural
crescent we don't have that
anymore there are areas where
we are sensitive to density but
being on the north side of vint
hill road this is kind of like
where srl was suburban
residential lower density
nothing is changed with where
where the lower density
suburban development could have
been anticipated for english.
>> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate
that I think that's an
important context to me is
looking at the score door it
felt like to seven section was
where we really want to be a
lot more sensitive to the
densities that was the actual
boundary line the rural
crescent was down there that is
why all that when we redid the
comp plan was designated c rise
versus suburban style density
is that?
>> Scott Meyer: left everything
on the north side is more about
suburban low-density.
>> Kenny Boddye: that is all
for you scott I think that was
an important place making paolo
back to you for second.
To go back to transportation
and the roadway considerations
here I noticed some of this is
sort of just a product of how
this is being planned out how
there is going to be six other
applications brought the way
let's talk about the traffic
safety piece about this little
bit where we have planned
roundabout signalized
intersection that were not
there
before more collectively
around pedestrian and things
like that can you talk about
the glendora vision for that
piece.
>> when it comes to the vint
hill corridor plan work with
the applicant for the
compliment someone arterial
roadway it's intended to carry
over 15,000 vehicles per day
one of the things we work with
the applicant on is modifying
the typical sections included
lower the design speed from a
safety point of view that helps
with the character of the
roadway weekly chore as far as
the development of self we have
turn lanes you have your
crashes mostly at intersection
that is we have the most
conflict points to make sure
all entrances had adequate
families to meet the standards
that we have the two
roundabouts that are proposed
within the corridor plan one
and three line pioneer as part
of strathmore and at the other
as part of al's nest with
transition from four lanes to
two lanes focus at the major
intersections mullins forge
road and vint hill to see a lot
of congestion therefrom safety
point of view we want to
separate traffic so you have
dedicated left and right turn
lanes in addition to three
lanes same thing when it comes
to suddenly manner and vint
hill you have adequate turn
lanes and facilities there. The
plan itself as CHAIRMAN Mission
has a shared use path on both
sides will will project will do
one trail and once on the
sidewalk on the other it is
what makes this corridor plan a
little unique address some of
the safety and connectivity
concerns.
>> Kenny Boddye: left point
MADAM Chair thank you for
lending on that shared use path
is the current condition of
pedestrian connectivity on this
part of vint hill road.
>> there is none or minimal we
have it any paved shoulders
it's
a ditch sections there isto
walk.
>> Kenny Boddye: or we would be
going from dishes to shared use
path's on both sides.
>> Kenny Boddye: appreciate
that thank you MADAM Chair
throughout.
>> Yesli Vega: paolo you are
the men of the night.
Sort of crew the tia shows the
daily trips on this project
will drive up a 2% increase
right.
>> that is a projection use
when we do traffic analysis
that's
typical growth when you
look at traffic study 's.
>> Yesli Vega: according to the
tia on this product any need
for major road improvements.
> yes frontage improvements
typically
.
>> Yesli Vega: what type of
improvements.
>> frontage improvements mainly
turn lanes accessed on its own
when we look at development
individually all it required
was frontage
improvements left
and right turn lanes.
>> Yesli Vega: can have scott,
please thank you paolo.
>> Yesli Vega: scott you
mentioned staff had not had
enough time to properly get the
school analysis can you
elaborate a little bit on that.
> Scott Meyer: a couple of
things. I'm glad you are asking
we received our development mac
statement from the schools
that's attached misstep report
the applicant at the same time
has gone a collaborative vint
hill corridor study on their
assessment of schools that was
sent to the schools the county
schools we are reflecting that
in the report but we are basing
our analysis on what the
schools are given us. We have
not done we don't have the
expertise to do an extra level
of analysis.
It is acknowledged and
understood that the trends MAY
be changing but we don't have
the metrics behind what if the
applicant is done.
Sherman can
probably answer that
a lot better than I would be
able to.
>> Yesli Vega: I was just
curious since you said you had
outfitted the school analysis
okay I brought this up earlier
today in a different project it
seems to be a reoccurring trend
here one that we need to figure
out and figure out rather
quickly it also has to do with
the required four minute travel
time for basic life support
this falls outside of that
radius what are the plans maybe
it MAY
be supervisor gordy the
presentation to mention the one
that will service this entire
area.
[Unclear audio] Are you aware
can you share any of that scott
are you in a position to do so.
>> Scott Meyer: I don't have
specifics on that supervisor
gordy if there is anything you
want to say.
>> Yesli Vega: I do have more
things speed there is a
proposed fire station site that
would be offered as another one
of the departments at sellers
road now was last note the fire
departments already working
with the developer on and
compositions about
that site.
>> Yesli Vega: is the county
arborist here.
I have a couple of questions
for you sir.
We heard a little bit about the
white oak tree and at the
clearing and all of that can
talk a little bit about the
concerns I did read a little
bit about it misstep report but
for the public awareness I like
to hear it from you.
>> our requirements talks about
tree preservation is basically
what it states is every inch
diameter should be out 1 foot
radius that would be with the
54 inch tree it should go out a
minimum of 54 feet to no
disturbance no compaction no
impact to the tree roots none
whatsoever. The concern that we
have is the adjacent
development is not doing a
mirror image. My industry
actually calls for more
protection as 1.5 feet but rdc
only requires 1 foot radius per
inch. They are
offering to do a
chemical treatment with.
[Listing names] Which is a
growth regulator growth
regulator physically slows the
tree down so it can handle
certain impacts specifically
with the root compaction and
root damage of some kind.
>> Yesli Vega: okay. Thank you
for that explanation scott
think it is going to be you I'm
sorry sir I did not catch her
name.
Scott can you show me I don't
know if you have it in the
presentation I know there are
some concerns about impacted
wetlands in different parts
can
you talk to me a little bit
about that.
>> Scott Meyer: this I guess it
is probably unclear there is a
it is up in this area here.
I should probably go to the
excuse me.
Where this road is right here
it is crossing.
This area as well. We always
tried to look for a connected
contiguous network of areas but
we have that mostly. Again when
this came in didn't have the
scope one of the issues was
where is this road going to
when you see how it fits into
the surrounding development it
does link to adjacent
development this is been around
for a while we didn't have the
benefit of the aerial of the
context of how everything
blinks together.
We feel the applicant could
have changed the layout with
this because this might be more
of a question for will.
We talked about the
prioritization of the resources
I would rather have will
clarify that.
>> of course with wetlands
there is a process to disturb
wetlands it is not through the
counties it is through the
state and federal permitting.
When we see wetlands they serve
a purpose in the natural
environment would try to
minimize or reduce any kind of
impact whatsoever.
When we see a wetland is going
to
be disturbed with roads or
with some kind of development
we always discouraged that in
some fashion and try to have a
different layout proposed for.
>> Yesli Vega: was done here.
>> they adjusted it thought
maybe they could do more but
they did adjust the did listen
to our comments.
>> Yesli
Vega: okay thank you.
That's all have MADAM Chair
school at all).
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
paolo please I just have a
quick question about the
roundabout.
And going back to something
supervisor stewart was asking
for it on the roundabouts I
know it is his traffic is it
also there is a couple in my
district.
In this instance are we on a
trend of using roundabouts to
ease not only is the traffic
but also there's been
fatalities that prevent that a
little bit more as well.
>> Scott Meyer: does
roundabouts typically causes
you to slow down there is a
small pinch point it forces you
to slow down as you approach
the intersection there is a
trend with roundabouts dude
need right away in a situation
where it is part of a
development it does make it
easier to implement a
roundabout as implement is
being provided as part of the
improvement.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair: is
more cost-effective.
>> long-term has signal prices
are going up as well it is a
knowledge of how much right
away and how much room is
available to complete the
improvement.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
last question as we progress
with the other projects should
we expect more.
>> at this time only to his
being proposed the tool
roundabout is part of the
entire: the jda would implement
the roundabout as part of the
one thing but the way the
properties are set up it is
possible others can occur.
The possibility in the proper
burden.
> George Stewart:
this is for scott.
When your mention of this in my
area plan from last night you
said that certain impacts are
not known yet and combining
that with your lack of
information about the impact
from schools how can you check
this out to say this is
something that should be going
forward?
>> Scott Meyer: our director
tonya washington can address
that.
>> good evening tonya
washington rector of the
planning office supervisor
stewart when the board
initiated the vint hill court
or small area plan included
note to the board of these
applications had already been
submitted and already under
county review that he will
likely be most certainly be
coming to the board fraction
prior to the small area plan
being completed small area plan
will be focusing on a larger
area not just the area covered
by these applications given
that it will take about two
years to complete the small
area plan we could not hold out
these rezoning applications
which are on it when your clock
before we could complete the
small area plan the focus is to
continue to staff review
working with supervisor gordy
on these applications to
ultimately get a product
depending upon what happens
with the other applications the
board can make a decision on
with the garlic to the small
area plan itself whatever
decisions the board ultimately
makes almost applications will
get folded into the larger
analysis for this area. For the
small area plan these
applications again were
submitted quite some time
before the small area plan was
initiated because they are
rezoning applications and for
the state code there is a time
clock on them we needed to
continue to move forward this
is somewhat unique situation.
Just to the extent we have a
small area plan started later
we did have to move forward
with the review of these
applications for.
>> George Stewart: I am kind of
new.
How much time is left on the
clock.
>> Tanya Washington: or
strathmore what is the
timeframe?
For strathmore when your clock
has already passed.
[Unclear audio] It was
submitted APRIL 2023.
>> George Stewart: got you
taking more time for smart
community
input will still have
is the past.
>> Tanya Washington: I will say
for this rezoning application
as well as further land-use
applications going through the
entitlement process the
planning office has guidelines
that strongly encourage
applicants to do community
engagement prior to coming to
public hearings prior to the
planning commission public
hearings. This project did go
through community engagement
I'm sure MR. Patrick can speak
to that we do encourage that so
the community has an
opportunity for the product is
still going through the county
review
to be able to provide
their feedback and applicant
have the opportunity to make
adjustments to those
applications prior to starting
the formal public review
process.
>> George Stewart: thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: before I
want to supervisor gordy I want
to invite the applicant to come
back up if you can answer
questions about your community
engagement will be up for the
committee has multiple points
obviously the applicants do
their community town halls
clearly plan commission meeting
for approval given but if you
can give us a bit more
information about that.
Turn on the microphone.
>> Applicant: thank you for
asking the question. We had
three community engagement
efforts on this property we did
one that was all mine which was
reasonably well attended we
also had two other open house
type community engagement
sessions we notified within 1
mile of this property we had
sent out 4000 notices two
different property owners.
There was a great deal of very
expensive notice to the
community and opportunities to
participate this is in addition
to the notices because he sends
out when an application is
first filed then for the
planning commission public
hearings and also for the
meeting this evening.
>> Chair Jefferson: just a note
after we go through the
questions for the applicant and
for the county staff will open
the public hearings that is
another time to hear from
people. That's all I have I
will go to supervisor gordy
speak I will note onto that
this application we tapped the
brakes on it many times much to
the angst I would say of the
applicant because I want to get
a holistic plan done they were
patient and actually
contributed I would say
.
[Listing names] Did tremendous
amount of work in studying and
analyzing what was going on
with the schools we have three
elementary schools that are
closer to this development than
the one that they are zoned to.
All under capacity.
N one of
the schools had to cancel
programs because of the lack of
enrollment.
Within their schools t claims
would cost their drama program
which they were noted for
because they don't have enough
students to fund the programs
we already seen the community
in this area aging our schools
are losing enrollment.
We are seeing yet we know that
there is capacity as the school
system has continued I've had
from day one I've had meetings
with superintendent Mcdade with
cheryl latif with my own school
board member and other school
board members to talk about how
the way we analyze schools
during a planning process in my
view has been broken.
When we take these developments
in isolation you can have one
development that you take it
one time they will save this
development will put the
schools over capacity then of
four months later we can have
another development impacting
the same exact schools and they
can say there is no impact.
Because we don't take a
holistic look at what's
happening in the environment
they've agreed to take that
holistic look and say it is not
just about what my development
is doing but it is about what
my department is doing along
with everything else they don't
have to do this.
They did not have to do this at
all. They willingly did it at
my request so we could take a
better approach to development
and understanding and
mitigating the impact of these
developments potentially would
have on our community. Then on
transportation as well.
I've asked them to maintain
moral character.
Give us a design along vint
hill that is seamless it is
every development of the same
design putting the traffic
circles it maintains several
character does not bring up the
flashing lights he doesn't have
all those things it helps us to
maintain the rural character
along different recorder pro as
we've gone through this process
to understanding the impact on
the schools and the impact on
the world was and how this will
work together who tried to look
at this from a bigger picture
more contextual approach rather
than just taking each and every
case in isolation because as I
said earlier the whole is
greater than the sum of the
parts.
That is something to see happen
over and over again throughout
the county but never changed
our practices to get better at
it. To better mitigate against
separate I appreciate all the
questions my colleagues scared
I will save the one accident
they could tell you that we had
at owl nest that was caused
because the view was blocked by
construction equipment
replacement waterlines for the
city of manassas. They had at
the corner blocked and the
driver literally cannot see the
truck that was coming up vint
hill road the vehicles the
construction vehicles blinded
the intersection that is what
caused that.
Other than that what this will
do right now the speed limit
elders 50 mph I can tell you
nine times out of 10 I'm going
45 or slower. Because people
are just driving slower out
there.
Nonetheless we are looking at
trying to make this a world a
safer and addressing the
impacts of the potential
developments in the area.
That's all I have for now MADAM
Chair school and don't have
anyone else in the queue what
I'm going to do thank you so
very much I am going to if we
can get the sheets I am going
to open the public hearing for
agenda item 13 a I'm waiting to
get the sheets.
I do have you can go to the
back I do have throughout the
sign-up we will go through the
walls with you guys you have
three minutes to speak. Unless
you are an approved 501(C)(3)
Or something recognized by the
board when you go to the back
please state your name and
where to reside which
magisterial district you reside
you will go over there to the
microphone with the pink
microphone and make sure that
you have it close to you so we
can hear you. That is a common
concern that I have.
No other people are signing up
we will
get to them I will start
with.
[Listing names]
>> you start screwing are you
ready to begin.
>> I'm trying to compose my
notes please give me a minute.
>> Chair Jefferson: if you need
additional time I can call the
next speakers.
>> please.
>> Chair Jefferson: we will get
the sheets.
[Listing names] Amy crosby
.
[Listing names] If you can go
to the back again state your
name where you generally
reside.
We needed for the public
record.
Good evening is my first time
attending my name is amy crosby
11.
[Listing names] My son attends
t claim would it is great
congratulations stuart as I
read some of your stuff today
to prepare myself MR. Gordy
would be my district as follows
being in brentsville. I've been
a resident almost 5 years I've
done a lot of planning
commission meetings but not in
the state my ex-husband is a
former military very familiar
with a lot of the things that
happen in indiana. You guys
don't mind I will read off the
notes I've been planning I only
get three minutes the weight
kind of put some things out
there if that's okay.
First of all it is really good
to know there are seven
different things because I
don't think I realized that in
my head. For the utilities how
will this endowment add to the
newly overloaded grid in
conjunction with all the data
centers that are coming along?
Secondly the
schools I already
own this question it was what
elementary school to his feet
into t claim would I sort.
[Listing names] Would go into t
claim would when gentleman said
we are under capacity in our
schools I didn't know that I
have 1/5 grader and letter to
clay would we did lose the
drama program I did not know it
was because it was under there
was under enrollment second
thing if the timeline can't do
notes on your timeline for the
rezoning in a planning
commission when I change that
ordinance as you noted it was
two years already in the making
but couldn't go ahead and
accommodate these different
things I felt there was counter
intuitive the roads. Vint hill
road before you get there
mullins ford it's a nightmare
it's very sharp curves it is
tulane's MR. Gordy who said he
go under 50 in that area I can
promise you at night people are
going over 60 miles an hour in
that area because it is so dark
there's no streetlights I also
was thinking with her ever be
any eminent domain to connect
to either glenn kirk or rollins
sport a different way because
of fraud run over which my
house except to plug and
pervert on solitary efforts the
connection if you look at play
more it's an award-winning
subdivision I've only been
there for years you can connect
at several different places you
can connect at vint hill you
can connect the linden hall
those connections make other
connections to glenn kirk to
rollins sport that gives a lot
of other ways to go around
anyways just thinking of that.
I was wondering about eminent
domain you have to think about.
[Listing names] How many homes
are expected microphone and
said that teaching staff the
shortage equals more teachers
how do you plan to accommodate
staffing for those teachers
that might be why the
elementary schools are under
filled is because there MAY not
be seven effort for that which
I
did see some rezoning which I
thought was good at last one
was utility what is the current
load capacity.
>> Chair Jefferson: I'm sorry I
know you have a lot but frankly
next speaker please.
>> I'm angela klein I'm from
brentsville as well as seen
most of the congratulations
supervisor stuart on being part
of the board I'm here asking to
deny order for this draft
rezoning application
development in the rural areas
will require substantially more
for structure improvements
including but not limited to
the transportation as was
alluded to on vint hill road
another connecting roads and
the proffers offered them I
reviewed the applicant or
inadequate to confidential sure
needs understand a lot of
planning has gone to this I
just don't think it equates to
what we see on a daily basis.
Their meeting last night the
others refer to the peremptory
small area plan was clearly
attended I think the committee
should out for that it was well
received I think it offers the
county of the applicant to plan
thoughtfully and intentionally
by taking a holistic approach
to the entire nvrc corridor
when we think of q of the
infrastructure then needs and
the fragile watersheds and
natural resources for
conservation by approving
strathmore application
residents will save the county
and the supervisor approving a
developer-based vision for the
vint hill corridor and wonder
why we had been had a kickoff
meeting for the vint hill
quarter meeting this area and
what the applicants are
strathmore applicant than
others along the vint hill
quarter are asking for rezoning
is a big part of the event till
vint hill corridor small area
plan I don't see how that can
be part of the equation as well
vint hill thought most about
the roads vint hill is
currently a two-lane road we
see a lot of speeders just as
the neighbor alluded to in
there I live on salish drive
across from owls nest we
mentioned that road was going
to get relined in roundabout
would be put there we got the
police on a nightly basis
because people like to use vint
hill as a drag race we are in
favor of the roundabout but
traffic is expected to increase
to approximately 22,000 trips
along vint hill road which
currently sees about 11,000
daily trips I'm using just the
applicant's estimate of 9.583
daily trips. It's important for
you to understand as residents
of that road it takes about
15-20 minutes every morning for
us to get onto vint hill road
because of the traffic and
another 20-30 minutes for us to
go from rollins poured onto
linton hall if you want to go
to 66 just in the waiting times
given the current density. I'd
really like to see a lot more
attention to vint hill road
understanding right now going
from four lanes counted
tulane's willie is called a
bottleneck that area given who
is already out there and what
we are going to eventually see
growth no matter if it is this
application or others thank
you.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
next speaker please.
>> good evening everyone my
name is.
[Listing names] And from that
ketchup and part of the
gainesville district mutual
encouragement newly elected
supervisor possibly overwhelmed
supervisor to vote in favor of
the strathmore project and
supervisor gordy district 1st
formal supervisor gordy
supports this project as the
elected representative for
their principal district no one
knows the interest and the
needs of the district better
than supervisor gordy for the
more black petition many of the
democrats and the board will be
crossing the political islands
according supervisor gordy's
efforts to improve his district
with this development project
this is a classic opportunity
for the board to provide good
bipartisan government about the
beach and a packet think the
proper is also eligible to sell
the staff support additionally
it's important not to overlook
the interest of the current
landowners many in our county
uncertain as to help they would
support their children's higher
education or have a secure
retirement when the top suites
constituents can achieve those
goals by exercising the private
property rights to sell the
properties to developers clinic
supervisors for to get the
project devoted not those
constituents that private
property rights in the night
his constituents the ability to
accomplish is very personal and
important life goals.
Sometimes opposing the project
is the right thing to do and be
very skeptical of permitting a
plastics factory which are
industries known to chemicals
to waterways but this product
like the majority does not pose
significant harm to our
community although there will
be people with small change in
MISS How things once were along
for the past cannot come at the
expense of our future we also
need to understand that
perfection is something that is
worth pursuing but is not a
standard that we hold because
if we do we won't be voting on
any project ever because
nothing is ever going to be
perfect when it comes to us.
Supervisor stuart is a
constituent navigated vote if
you you have my support in
voting in favor of this project
thank you all for your time and
service to our community for
elected officials and the staff
we all deal with a lot of
difficult people and certainly
appreciated thank you all so
much.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
and ms Mcvary ready to speak.
>> I was here in APRIL of the
planning commission for the
first planning commission
hearing for I came back for
negative referral they brought
nothing new to the table the
applicant I recommend denial
because they brought nothing
forth after 90 days to increase
transportation other than a
traffic circle at the point of
pioneer drive they have not
whether it is 15,000 per unit
the road has been putting first
they made no contribution to
read and think of the road
filled of elements.
MR. Patrick, once again talking
to apollo in transportation the
road needs to be put in before
the infrastructure I saw this
happen 45 years ago and brooke
senator hazel did not build the
parkway it cost me $2 million
of taxpayer money 20 years
later to do it the road vint
hill cannot go from four lanes
to two lanes and schaefer
factor four lanes from cattle
run to simply drive two lanes
down it was supposed to be from
.
[Listing names] [Unclear audio]
as you go from four lanes from
reed street [Listing names]
[Unclear audio] As you go from
four lanes from reed st., tampa
mile it goes back to two lanes
then it becomes four lanes from
the side of tranmere at the
traffic circle all the way down
to silas which is only almost
9/10 of a mile. Then stanley
once said michael joe biden
vint hill from owls nest down
to rollins we will widen the
curve. The canticle 4 lanes
counted tulane's counterpoints
counted tulane and have nothing
but bottleneck grid brookville
775 is not enough to put 15,000
cars a day on a
two-lane/four-lane road and
congested with traffic circles
so there's no floor traffic
movement there is no flow of
traffic it will become pure
gridlock and go to hell her on
owls nest has had one fidelity
I've been there 22 years event
with one fidelity they had two
motorcycle accidents in last
year two car accidents with a
flipped over the hill I might
cars address they are spitting
on owls nest right when I come
out of my driveway there's been
one fidelity. Two major
motorcycle injuries and two
cars that you got the
neighbor's fence.
The three people that were
injured were my neighbors.
Very prominent old-school
family golf family that is been
in the community for 70 years
and one son is so injured he
cannot work is on worker's
compensation he is to get
surgery he will have to have
litigation
.
>> Chair Jefferson: I'm sorry
your times up can you say your
name and the magisterial
district where you are for the
record
.
>> my name is paul short I
limit brentsville magisterial
district 42490 owls nest road
can I have a additional
minutes.
>> Chair Jefferson: what I will
do next is go to promote public
comment on that I was getting
additional
questions supervisor
bailey I will toss to for the
public hearing.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair: I
have three people are we ready
for
our guests.
[Unclear audio]
>> good evening chair jefferson
and the board of supervisors
might name is jessica girl I'm
in the gainesville district I
would like five minutes with
the coalition to protect prince
william county on this one.
Stevie I'm sorry you have three
minutes.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair: I
am sorry you have three
minutes.
>> Chair Jefferson: are you a
representative of the coalition
to
.
>> I'm in the board of the
coalition to protect prince
william county.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
please continue with your five
minutes I didn't hear you.
>> I would like to ask you guys
to defer or deny this project I
was looking through the proper
statement for page 21 of 26 of
the strathmore proposal on
section I it says in the domain
in the event of the applicant
is not able to acquire
right-of-way required in order
to provide the road
improvements identified in
proffer conditions above for
clothes and associated
pedestrian facilities
identified in the comprehensive
plan including but not limited
to easement required for
utilities utilities locations
grading and storm water
management for the road
improvements and any other
property interests the
applicant shall request the
county to acquire the necessary
property interest by exercising
of its condemnation powers at
the applicant's expense. The
applicant request shall be in
riding and shall comply and be
in respect with the eminent
domain policy this sounds to me
like they have purchased a
piece of land they don't have
enough room to do what they
want to do they are going to
take more land of hebron
property I think is kind of
despicable to think that
anybody would vote in favor and
without and destroy established
labor to put in infrastructure
for a new housing department is
not very neighborly also I sent
everybody an email today I
would like to read hopefully I
will get through it welcome
supervisor stuart I really look
forward to having
representation in gainesville
again who is willing to listen
to the residence last night I
saw you at the small area plan
for vint hill I'm really
confused I feel the cats have
been let out of the barn if you
approve this project will not
be able to put them back in
what is the plan here?
Are you just getting community
outreach danny going to say
your opinion did not matter
there were a lot of people
there last night were worried
about their community I feel if
you do approve this plan
tonight you owe everybody an
email who attended last night
to say that you are sorry that
you wasted their time and that
their opinion really did not
matter in any case. In western
and of prince william county
have been talking about the
reinvestment I think this plan
needs to be implement citizens
possible design density housing
in these rural areas is
detrimental to the residents
and mourners who have invested
so much into their community
only to have it plowed over and
impacts their quality of life
that they have worked so hard
to develop some help this is
nothing fair especially if the
new development impacts things
like road schools and their
wells adding 2000 houses is
going to bring a lot of school
age children and how will that
affect the traffic in the area
as well as the schools in the
classroom especially since
multiple schools are slated to
be overcapacity right from the
same time to small area plan
would be due. Which would be
spending two more years trying
to figure out where he will
send the kids. Then I came
across two very interesting
pieces of information this week
one from dep with virginia
trout monitoring task force
they have expended the drought
advisory to 50 counties and 23
cities prince william county is
included in this all origin is
encouraged to protect water
supply by minimizing water use
and monitoring drought
conditions how is that water
study coming in prince william
county are you guys prepared to
pay for people's wells that are
affected by this?
Another piece of news cannot
from nbc washington according
to a report from the national
association of realtors
first-time homebuyers are
putting in average of 10% down
and most of them are getting
loans from family or friends
the average first-time
homebuyer is now four years old
all-time high the national
association of realtors says an
economist says you need
household income of about
$300,000 if you want to
purchase a single-family
detached home in northern
virginia. It seems to me that
times are changing and that
prince william county is again
behind the ball. Please defer
denied this project until
adequate proffers and or
decreased density are in place.
Thank you very much.
>> Chair Jefferson:
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
thank you MISS Growth.
>> the second speakers are
smacked.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
MS. Carol please begin.
>> MS. Carol you can begin.
>>.
[Listing names] I would like to
request five minutes of.
[Listing names] I live in
principal as you all know
welcome supervisor stuart I
actually live along vint hill
road owls nest is my point of
access into the world how I get
around.
I traversed this area very
regularly. What I heard tonight
was a discussion of a lot of
things around about adele's
best fire station land for fire
station land for middle school
the curve on the vint hill road
and how that is going to be
addressed.
Let's be clear those are not
proffers associated with this
application.
I heard a lot of discussion of
proffers and mitigation and
what other projects are doing
my understanding is that you
all are not allowed to discuss
any proffers that commit board
to future vote I pulled the
zoning ordinance while I was
listening to all. It is pretty
clear is pretty explicit only
those written and graphic
materials that have been
referenced in a proper
statement MAY be displayed in
the public hearing before the
planning commission or the
board of county supervisors why
are we really discussing this
year we're discussing
strathmore a standalone
application we are discussing
strathmore's impacts on schools
strathmore's impacts on roads.
Strathmore's impact on our
natural resources like the
watershed like our fire
department our parks our
libraries and I appreciate what
the applicant has done with
their master plan. I want to
just the developer and the
master plan I was a little
confused again this was brought
up tonight. So I went in and
pulled it well and listen to
all speak it was submitted on
APRIL 22, 2025.
Over six months ago. Over six
months ago before the committee
meeting before the planning
commission hearings. Before the
small area plan kickoff. None
of four silver bell which the
applicant acknowledged was only
submitted about six weeks ago.
Silver bell is not even in
there in a comprehensive
manner. I'm a little confused
by this developer master plan
is now being held up as the
plan for the vint hill area.
In the vint hill quarter when
last night my family we raised
our schedule so my husband
could take the time to be at a
vint hill small area kickoff
meeting I thought that was the
plan I'm confused is this the
community driven process to
develop at this area or is this
the developer driven process
when I hear about this
developer master plan that
butler was never presented to
the community it was never
presented to the community was
there a committee meeting for
the developer master plan?
There was a community meeting
for strathmore there was a
committee meeting for stella
martin project and a committee
meeting for cheryl resource
probably I would say what about
the traffic on the owls nest
they said we not deal with owls
nest we are strathmore senegal
to save product he says we are
not dealing with owls nest we
are on the other side of the
road than I go to the spec says
we are that owls nest will not
bring the density the community
is not getting a fair answer
then I'm expected to sit here
and save the developer master
plan has it all figured out the
schools the road the fire
department all of it let's be
clear what is proffered from
strathmore is less than $1
million per schools it is less
then $700,000 for parks.
It is way less the matt forte
higher.
I'm a little confused if we are
at a school board registering
meeting or a board of county
supervisors hearing because
when you're sean patrick
telling me for all these kids
in the area going to go to
school I have concerns because
I did not vote for sean patrick
my ballot for school board or
board of county supervisors
county chair I do appreciate
supervisor stuart bring up the
fatality and owls nest I was at
that fatality within 10 minutes
of happening with my kids in
the car it was horrific.
It was because of construction
supervisor gordy is correct but
there have been other accidents
right in front of the house
multiple accidents people being
branded motorcycles a few weeks
later our table and
internetworking out there was
an accident the cut the cable
it is not just because of one
person speeding or when
construction there is a real
problem in this area and adding
density while I'm supportive of
the roundabout and supportive
of traffic improvements but
adding density and not properly
planning that is not a partisan
issue you do not have the
another set of any aisle to
understand that poor planning
is poor planning and the people
that suffer are the people who
live in the area. I appreciate
that MR. Patrick sent out
mailers people within a 1 mile
radius when I see that he is
now talking about mitigation
along the road along a 4 mile
span of road brought all those
people on that road century
mailers MR.
Patrick I don't
think so I did not get one.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
MS. Carol next speaker please.
>> there are no more speakers.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
that includes the speakers for
the evening.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
so very much. I'm going to go
ahead unless there is anybody
else wants to speak if you have
not spoken I don't see anybody
I will go ahead and close the
public hearing for agenda item
number 13 ai would like to have
either the
applicant if there's
anything you want to respond to
I've closed the public hearing
did you have?
I'm so sorry how this is with
the public hearing everyone
gets a chance to speak once.
Unless you are with an approved
hoa one c3 then you get five
minutes otherwise everybody is
limited to three minutes.
It is so we can move the
meeting along. What I'm doing
and allowing the applicant to
come back up and respond to any
questions or anything that he
or she is hard for it does how
the rules work. I'm sorry but I
do appreciate you for coming
out today MR. Patrick the guy
with two last names.
>> Applicant: thank you very
much for the opportunity?
And comment on things that were
raised I will go to these
quickly as they were fred tried
to give you some additional
perspective on some of these
there was a comment about the
small area plan and the timing
of the small area plan while it
is not ideal for small area
plan was conceptualized and
initiated after these rezoning
applications were filed it is
not incongruous the small area
plan will continue to have a
very important purpose. In
looking at the remaining
properties and for the
different infrastructure
decisions that are going to be
made for this area in the
future.
As the planning director said
small area plan will cover a
much larger area as well.
If you look at the map I don't
have it on the screen now if
you look at the map and you
look at the seven rezoning
applications that are being
discussed this evening in the
context of our one our 155 acre
rezoning application there is
quite a bit of land left and
there would be we've had a
little operation because of the
three developers involved in
this article or case the small
area plan will assure the
continued cooperation and
consistency of future
applications that you would
receive in this area. With
respect to the amount of
traffic on vint hill road vint
hill road after the development
after the traffic impact
analysis was completed which
added traffic from this
proposal has about a 30% pass
through traffic on it that is
traffic that is coming from
vulture county or other
pointing going into prince
william county and
back-and-forth that is while we
have a state highway department
because roads are not traveled
just within the county people
go from one county to the next
we have to recognize the fact
that traffic is going to grow
on vint hill road as adjoining
counties grow and as implement
opportunities grown prince
william county but whatever
residential not the traffic and
the road is going to be widened
and it is going to need
additional improvement in fact
it's already in our
comprehensive plan for some
substantial improvement as MR.
Paolo explained when he was
standing there.
Traffic impact analysis also
want to explain is a very
complicated and sophisticated
computer modeling process that
is completed by professionals
this is not a group of
developers going out and saying
we think it is going to be this
many trips are that many trips
there are companies that make a
great deal of effort and apply
their best professional
knowledge as well as I said
before automated techniques for
determining how traffic might
grow.
His is a very
substantial effort that is been
undertaken not only by
strathmore for their particular
project which did not show any
negative impact on traffic
capacity on vint hill road but
also with the collective
efforts of the seven developers
who are part of the vint hill
application. There was little
discussion about the white oak
tree and uncertain see about
the white tree the rest of the
property line that is more on
the adjoining property line
that it is on the brookville
property it would make it clear
the field has done everything
it can on its property and it
is even offered with the
applicant with the neighbors
permission to go on to their
property and apply the chemist
that which is a chemical that
is very effective in preserving
trees that are being disturbed
or their roots are being
disturbed to try to slow the
growth during a couple of
seasons after the construction
occurs. So if there is lesser
impact on the strathmore side
it was clearly said they have
done what they can and they
have complied with the design
and construction standards
requirements for critical root
zone protection.
There is 46% open space on this
property I think that got
overlooked as we were going
through some of the comments.
That is a very significant
amount of open space on the
development of the size and
part of the reason that is
possible is your smaller lots
we talked for years about what
we need to cluster development
to preserve our natural
resources and preserve
environmental sensitive areas
like wetlands that's exactly
what is developers doing that
is why we are 40% 46% open
space is because those wetlands
are being protected the design
is sensitive to the
environmental sensitivity of
the particular property.
a comment was made about the
eminent domain proffer is in
the proper conditions want you
to note that as of property
condition the county has been
accepting for 35 years that
came up a really fun time ago
it is the result of a need that
was recognized by the county
and the county attorney's
office up to crafted that many
years ago that was necessary
because occasionally you need
to get a sliver of land from
the property next door you need
to get an easement for the
storm water pipe that needs to
go under the road a private
property owner cannot get those
things on their own. That is
why they look to the government
to help them with that is not
stealing anyone's property is
being done on the basis of the
greater good consistent with
the county's authority to make
decisions for the greater good
and to provide for the public
safety and public
infrastructure is necessary to
serve us all.
The fact that the average
first-time buyer was reported
to be 40 years old that is
pointing directly to the issues
that are mentioned at the very
beginning that we have a
housing crisis in this country
housing crisis is the direct
result of people opposing
housing wherever it might go.
I can tell you that every
application that we process
I've been doing it for a long
time there are people who are
opposed to the housing on the
property next door every one
agrees we need more for the
housing everybody joints their
own children to be able to buy
homes and to have the
opportunity that they had to
gain the wealth through the
purchase of a home when it's in
their neighborhood they don't
want it.
Hat type of approach
and attitude is making it
extremely difficult for you as
a governing body to make sure
that everybody has housing and
has opportunity to buy housing
in the county so you can there
is a direct correlation the
availability of housing to the
employment opportunities and
tax base in the county. If you
have any additional questions
if there's anything you want me
to expound upon happy to try to
do that hope this evening you
will be able to take action on
this case which is been in it
since FEBRUARY 2023 not APRIL
but since
FEBRUARY 2023.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right
thank you I don't see anybody
amadeus jumping thank you much
for the clarification I don't
know if staff has anything who
has a good
.
>> Tom Gordy: thank you to the
folks that came out and spoke
tonight thank you for again for
all the work is done by our
staff to help us get a better
approach a smarter approach
more holistic approach to try
to be thousand needs of this
community in prince william
county while it is definitely
different my hope is that we
get better development as a
result of it MADAM Chair I move
to approve item 13 a
.
>> Kenny Boddye: I second the
motion
.
>> Chair Jefferson: it's been
probably moved and seconded in
the
discussion.
>> Kenny Boddye: I will be
quick on this one person wanted
to thank supervisor gordy for
his vision on this note as you
said before you pump the brakes
on this a lot not really got
into this alongside this
applicant and build applicant
we are here to talk about this
product and will stay there
what this product hundred and
68 presidential dwelling units
17 affordable units $840,000
goes to the school of
compliments on your mind
sections planning commission
and staff recommended approval
for rezoning is itself a single
gas on the comprehensive plan
as staff reported out we see
this as an opportunity to do
things differently as
supervisor gordy said also in
the context I appreciate scott
myers for calmness and the
compensation we had along the
way context matters again this
is not some far-flung court
over rural areas this is next
to a planned residential
community at one point was also
a form that somebody at some
point did not want to happen we
need to make sure that we have
that in context and continue to
look at this project and other
projects as well I want to
highlight the almost 50% open
space that is been preserved
here that is important because
again as we look at context as
we shift away from more
developed areas in the suburbia
proper that kind of
preservation open space helps
to create the context of us see
a more gradual transition to a
more rural area both south
across vint hill road as we go
west with the potter county
line I think that's important
point ultimately as was said by
some of the speakers but by
supervisor gordy and by the
applicant we have a shortage of
housing in this region in this
county you cannot get at that
housing affordability we cannot
stabilize housing prices
midcounty if we don't approve
more housing for us it's a
simple as that. But I do
appreciate about this project
they are looking at a continuum
of housing types not just
having one cookie-cutter type
that is over the entire thing
like we see with other housing
in presidential development I
wanted to highlight and say
that both MS. Context of this
project but in the greater
context of what is coming after
that having a diversity of
housing is out we are able to
provide an opportunity several
people have not only a place to
live but homeownership which is
a way to start generating
wealth and build a social
ladder to climb up in the world
we cannot get it that
if we
don't approve and build more
housing in responsible smarts
ways like this one I support
just thank you manager.
>
Yesli Vega: thank you to the
residence of the brentsville
district document to speak I
think you to the county staff
thank you to the applicant as
well I know supervisor gordy
you have put in a lot of time
and effort in this project with
that being said I do recognize
the county has developed a
document from 1990 which
predates the constitutional
amendment that was adopted in
2012 I will read that for
awareness it says taking of
private property is not for
public use if the primary use
is for private gain private
benefit increasing jobs
increasing tax revenue or
economic to vomit what we've
established your tonight is
simple and very clear this road
widening is not needed today by
the public it becomes necessary
only because seven private
developments are adding
thousands of new trips to his
corridor without those projects
this improvement would not be
required I think we made that
very clear based on the answers
provided by department of
transportation that matters
because when government uses
its power especially the power
to take property the virginia
constitution requires that the
primary purpose be public and
not incidental. Not secondary
primary. Clearly the primary
driver is private development.
The immediate benefit is
private development that raises
constitutional concerns permit
the goal will be on the
something is merely defensible
in a legal proceeding or
not. I
take property rights very
seriously everybody on this day
is knows that I take the
constitution seriously I cannot
in good faith support rezoning
is critical unstructured needs
exist only because a private
project demands it. That
manager I will be voting no.
>> Chair Jefferson: anyone else
before I speak.
>> George Stewart: I do believe
in housing I do believe we do
need more housing I just
believe it needs to happen in
the right way it needs to
happen also in the right area.
I don't think this is the right
area I don't think this is the
right way.
Unfortunately I will also be
voting no.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right
real quickly I am going to jump
and I apologize to everyone I
really truly meant to attend
the vint hill small area plan
last night unfortunately I did
have core issues that is why I
was unable to attend I've been
going to listen to the comments
breeding females we got I will
say yes jessica grote were
right you will need around
$300,000 to porterhouse
nowadays you need to have two
incomes the problem I think is
because we are behind it people
that is causing the problems
with portability we are behind
it people obviously I would
like to conserve land that's a
whole separate compensation
that we need to have what is
the best way to preserve land?
Just as those who oppose this
project we feel it compromises
their own quality of life I
just want to be careful with
that have a home that you love
I want other people to have a
home that they love.
We cannot do that right now in
this moment. Without looking at
different ways to create more
housing stock.
I will not going to say we have
a housing crisis we have an
affordability crisis people
cannot afford to live here.
That is a problem that is
something I take personally. I
came to prince william county
because this was the affordable
place to be. It is not
affordable anymore.
Someone like me 10 years ago
adjusting for inflation they
still cannot afford to live
there. I want people to be able
to come to this community and
make it their home. It is
become so much harder. Because
of that. I've heard a lot of
people talk about at least on
email talk about how density:
this project is one project but
the whole corridor as well high
density. High density is
multistory apartments they are
condos.
There is something that
maximizes the land and building
vertically. This is suburban
developments. Just as people
who have a single family homes
love their homes we need more
of that. Other people want to
have their piece of the
american dream.
I cannot stand in the way of
that.
I think there is a lot of
conversations we need to have
around housing and land use.
Again preservation is an
important part of that
discussion but just because you
have your piece of the american
dream don't deny to somebody
else. I am supporting this
project I am going to give
praise to my colleague
supervisor gordy I know you've
taken some hits on this. I want
to be very clear all of this
stuff the ball on this project
on these projects started
before supervisor gordy and
supervisor stuart government
office yes the small area plan
is playing catch-up it
should've come many years prior
but it didn't. I still see a
need for that there is still
still need to look at how this
whole corridor is going to work
together it is not ideal.
But a lot of our government is
not ideal.
What I want to get away from
what I like about this project
is it is not piecemeal or
patchwork.
We have a lot of that in this
county we have a lot of
piecemeal patchwork projects
that is why I'm supporting it
and doing what to say to my
colleagues supervisor gordy
this is in your district I
appreciate the work that you've
done also trying to bring the
different developers to the
table I truly appreciate that.
I will let you have a blessed
lord.
>> Victor Angry: I didn't want
to speak I don't do this I feel
the need to because I've been
on this board six years you've
heard it I'm the last standing
longest surviving the sport is
been over the place I'm talking
to the board I've always said
this the public gets to hear us
we are fishable we talk to each
other and not done they get
treatments then begin a public
hearing for an effort to
support core all over the place
support the district supervisor
when they make a motion what's
in their district it's been
supported not supported there
is one county in prince william
county it is prince william
county there is not seven
counties in principal and
county even the products we put
in these districts we have an
obligation at this board is the
status to prevent move this
county forward the staff does a
great job with it the plan
commission because a great job
with it we have everything in
place to do the job we supposed
to be doing make these
decisions.
I'm sorry I love it's recorded
in people get to hear but in
talking to all supervisor gordy
you put a whole lot of work
into this you public on the
best solution out of lowering
density of which just to prove
a public human way higher
you've done all you could with
this it is your product that is
why I give you credit for the
district that you represent you
brought it to the board I think
you brought a great product to
the board I get everything that
is been set around it at the
end of the day when we talk
about these housing and the
prices housing in the county
the only lower pricing when you
get more homes built that is
exactly what you did you could
have done more but you did what
you need to do to keep that
corridor balanced that is what
you've done I just want to say
that folks typically spend a
lot of time going around and
stuff I will just operate there
thanks
supervisor gordy thank
you I appreciate it.
>> Chair Jefferson: all right.
>> Tom Gordy: thank you for
cheerful what you said about
what is going on with housing
and thank you everyone else for
your input I just want to
remind the community and at
this board how we got to where
we are right now.
There was land for residential
development along the linton
whole quarter the people said
don't put houses there.
It had a sewer and water there
were roads there were schools.
What they said don't put
houses there.
What did they put their. Data
centers.
Raise your hand if you are
happy about the data centers
going along linton whole
corridor?
Nobody.
When we govern in fear we end
up with decisions like that.
Now here we are 10 years later
we have a housing crisis I do
call it a crisis I don't know
how my kids are ever going to
be able afford house if it were
not for homeownership I would
still be paying student loan
debt.
If it were not for
homeownership I would still be
stuck with a lot more debt but
homeownership is the greatest
opportunity in this country
wealth building.
Right now in prince william
county upward mobility has come
to a screeching halt.
I know this because I get
complaints from neighborhoods
like braemar complaining about
the number of families living
in a house.
Jamming up the road with cars
we can be blind to the problem
but the reality is we are going
to have to build houses
somewhere.
Now we've got to find a way to
adjust this if we don't build
it here they are going to build
it somewhere else.
He will build it in culpeper
bulkier stafford go to
fleetwood in the morning and
see much traffic is coming to
prince william county from
stafford county guests who will
have to pay to fix fleetwood
how taxpayers will still have
to use eminent domain on that
except it's for public deed
caused by stafford county. We
get no economic benefit from it
but we have to pay for it.
This is going to be a repeated
pattern of bad behavior if we
don't take a look at the need
that we have before us and
begin to address this prince
william county as part of
northern virginia.
While I do want to preserve
open space and have a directive
aimed at doing just that so we
can establish a free market
approach to land conservation
and land preservation through
pdr purchase department rights
transfer debarment rights and
conservation easements.
So we also have a plan for that
but he gets back to 1.5
continue to use since I got
sworn and it is about balance.
Right now we are out of
balance. We are out of balance
with data centers we have too
many of them to we have to get
it back to balance. We have out
of balance and housing a
single-family home on a less
than half acre lot in my
district just went for $1.9
million.
It is insane what's happening
guess what that means our taxes
are going up.
We will pay for
this one way or the other.
By saying no there is a
downstream effects. On all of
us by saying yes there is a
downstream effect on all of us.
My job is to figure out what is
the right balance I think we
strike the right balance here I
will continue to work to try to
strike that right balance
because it is what is necessary
for a good community.
I appreciate all the hard work
that is here I appreciate we
will agree to disagree amongst
ourselves that is okay. When
it's all said and done you will
get together we will still
respect one another we will
continue to work for the good
of this community. I appreciate
all the input that people are
afraid we just got to continue
to work towards the right
balance I appreciate all the
work has been done so far we
will continue to do thank you.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much I would like call for
the vote.
>> motion passes 6/2 supervisor
vega until PRESIDENT Stewart
supervisor stuart
.
>> Chair Jefferson: it's what
happened when I don't have the
agenda public comment time I'm
sorry who do we have.
We have
.
[Listing names] Then we have
this is public comment if you
want to quickly take the sign
off do we have another sign-up
sheet back there.
You can go ahead and then we
have other people we can you
have three minutes.
>> this is pertaining to
default on what topic for
.
>> Chair Jefferson: you can
topic.
Are you prepared or should I
invite the other one backup.
>> I think I'm prepared this
applicant is not part of the
medial contribution to the
widening of the comprehensive
road plan which is what the
other developers are proposing
to do to vint hill road they
made no contribution to the
road they are taking 10 school
credits from knoxville and
transfer those 10 school
credits leaders school is at an
expansion each school has 10
the overcapacity. Why is the
plan commission by the board of
supervisors not more hundred
percent involved with the
school board as a whole the
find out you will find these
they offered to new sites in.
[Listing names] No school in
this strap development who will
fund the schools $300 million
is what they quoted I'm
crunching the numbers because
the planning commission asked
the developer stanley martin
how much will he make profit
for house he said $30,000
300c
000 $300 million will fund
the schools we cannot continue
to put the burden of taxation
on the residence of this county
to keep funding for roads and
keep funding the schools when
the developers need the proper
office and make a concession to
the county as part of their
development package going back
to what they said if we were
building schools was going to
find these calls will state is
a negative drag it does not
produce economics for the
county more taxation more
taxation will virtually be
taxed out of the county this
happened to me in fairfax
county I dealt with the
planning tax administration
.
Real estate is a negative
amortization does not bring
economic growth to the county
more houses more houses
changing the rural present
density zoning to what's called
moral planned master
development the next seven
applicants are still 1000
houses is 150. The next guy has
24th yes 476.
Too much is too much more
housing for housing is not
bringing a relief to the
problem houses do not bring
economic spread the more houses
will not bring down the price
of the house. The builder wants
to maximize their
profitability.
We can build and build and we
destroy the whole question
prince william county.
>> Chair Jefferson: I am sorry
just say your name and we
reside woman temporally set.
>> my name is paul short I
reside on
the brentsville
district and owls nest road.
>> Chair Jefferson: next
speaker sacred name when you
reside is a county attorney who
will look at me if we don't do
it.
>> did you get my name is amy
crosby a live-in respect to the
principal district I do think
this the right location I
believe that because I know
vint hill myself we currently
bulkier from prince william
county almost 5 years he's been
a mechanic it's the right
location because what I'm
seeing more often than not is
families phaseout which is what
I believe I wrote inside the in
the article it was the family
please outperforming and no
longer want to do that all the
current residents MAY want to
hold off and not want that was
to save their children will
want to maintain at the same
location in 20 or 30 years we
don't have any homes we could
have data centers as atrocious
it is a great location however
the traffic study I think the
biggest key here vint hill road
is a dangerous road and I do
think infrastructure needs to
change regardless of these
homes coming in I think it's
been dangerous for a while hope
you guys will look at that also
look at the water rollins horde
that can be a great area of
connection I think that needs
to be figured in with
connecting doors and eminent
domain is the lower part of the
water brought right which no
bridges in over it so it can
connect and people can go a
different way that would help
ease congestion.
Then looking at lake manassas
is used for the city of
manassas could be used to help
water with the prince william
water on the side of the county
and the way thank you again
this was a great first meeting
for me hope to see you again
soon.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much if you want to join
to frequent flyer,
it's free to
join up thank you for everybody
who is
come out and spoken to
have anybody from remote.
>> we have one person from
remote.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
guess we do please proceed
.
>>.
[Listing names] Can you hear
me.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
yes I can hear you.
> just
making sure I just wanted to
make two brief comments one I
didn't hear any discussion of
housing cost or hoa fees for
this project. Maybe I missed
it. And number two I want to
read from the planning
commission meeting JULY 27,
2022 cpa 2022 000 teen devlin
technology park recommended for
approval motion made by
commissioner gordy seconded by
Mcphail then the subsequent
rezoning 2022-000 22 devlin
technology park motion for
approval made by commissioner
gordy seconded by commissioner
Mcphail.
I do have a problem with the
data centers on linton hall
road.
I also remember how they got
there thanks so much you'll
have a great night.
>> Chair Jefferson:
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
thank you MS. Carol and the
others online.
>> vice chair no other speakers
.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
thank you very much for your
help.
>> Chair Jefferson: thank you
very much everyone who is come
up to speak to escrow can
>> Chair Jefferson: we are back
from closed session I need a
motion to certify.
let's go ahead and
take a vote.
>> vote unanimous.
>>
Chair Jefferson: we have two
motions we are going to make a
percent supervisor bailey.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair:
thank you bencher I moved to
county executive annual
performance review and
compensation adjustment.
>> Kenny Boddye: I
second the
motion.
> Chair Jefferson:
let's take our vote.
>>
vote unanimous
supervisor
stuart abstaining from the vote
.
>> Chair Jefferson: in the
second.
>> Andrea Bailey,Vice Chair: of
the county attorney's annual
performance review and
compensation adjustment.
>> Kenny Boddye: I second the
motion.
> Chair
Jefferson:
let's take our vote.
Vote unanimous supervisor
stuart abstaining from the
vote.
>> Chair Jefferson: a most
important vote of the evening
is to adjourn for an.
>> motion to adjourn.
[Laughter]
>> Tom Gordy: I make a motion
to approve.
>> Kenny Boddye: I second the
motion
.
>> vote unanimous.