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>> thank you, we will now convene

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into open session and I will turn the

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floor over to our assistant city

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attorney for the announcement.

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>> thank you, madam mayor pro tem, the

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city council met in closed session,

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discussed the item on the closed

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session agenda and took no reportable

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action.

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>> thank you.

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this meeting is adjourned.

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>> that was funny.

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>> it's been a while since I've been

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in a time out.

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welcome to the city council regular

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meeting for august 18, 2026.

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we're going to start off with the

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pledge of allegiance, just follow

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mayor pro tem.

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>> ready, begin.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of

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the united states of america and to

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the republic for which it stands one

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nation under god, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> thank you.

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may we have the roll call?

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>> councilmember charelian?

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>> here.

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>> councilmember howorth?

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>> present.

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>> councilmember lesser?

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>> here.

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>> mayor pro tem tarnay?

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>> here.

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>> mayor franklin?

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>> here.

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so, we move to item d, the

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ceremonial calendar which is a

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presentation of a certificate of

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recognition to manhattan beach police,

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we'll bring down chief johnson.

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>> this is officer david gibbons, he's

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a longstanding member of our police

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department and this year as he has for

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the 12 years, he received the

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award for making 70 dui arrests,

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this is david's 12 years in a row,

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it's 25 arrests or more in a calendar

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year that are made for dui and david'

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done that for a cozen -- dozen years

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which is really impressive.

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david does that work because he take

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it seriously.

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this year we were able to go with him

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again to be recognized for his 70

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arrests in calendar year 2025.

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david, did you want to take a moment

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why it's important to you and why you

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continue to prioritize dui arrests.

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>> well, first of all, thank you for

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having me, and I happen to come across

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a lot of them.

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it's not the easiest arrest to the

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make, there's a lot of paperwork, a

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lot of court time for dui arrests but

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it's one of the arrests has you don't

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really see in true fashion, the

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difference that you make, but in the

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long run, I think the number of lives

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you save from making a dui arrest is

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not really countable or paper but it

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makes a difference and something I

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enjoy doing.

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>> also give david a round of

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applause, congratulations.

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david, as you know, it means a lot to

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the department and this community, the

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work you continue to do with impaired

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drivers and you're also a drug

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recognition expert so he's able to

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mentor and help other officers with

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their arrests as well.

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we're proud of you and wrathful for

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you and your work and we thank you.

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I'll turn it over to the mayor.

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>> thank you, can we have your team

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down here and join us in the photos,

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it would be the safest place in

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manhattan beach.

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>> he has to hold the certificate.

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>> we'll get to it.

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>> yeah, these moe of the guys that

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work graveyard with me, they're a lot

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that stop the drunk drivers and call

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me over to make the arrest, they're an

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integral part of it, we have officer

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rellis, officer yeps, officer acuna,

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officer sanchez and officer white.

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>> we are pleased to present you with

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a certificate of recognition for you

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and all your team has done to keep

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manhattan beach safe.

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we'll get each of you the pins but

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there's an american 250 commemoration

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pin, we'll get one for each one, and

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let's just remind our residents that

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no good things happen after midnight.

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and let's give them a big round of

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applause since we owe them so much.

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at this time, I would like to recognize

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and honor all active duty military

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and veterans in the audience, whether

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you are a national guard a reservist

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or on active duty, please stand and be

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not going to be meeting in the middle

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of september, so I wanted to put in

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this reminder of attending the special

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memorial 9/11 memorial ceremony, it's

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poignant because it's 25 years since

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this tragic event happened and I think

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like many event within our lives, we

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remember where we barer and we

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remember the anxieties and we're

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thinking so much about our families

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firefighters and the police.

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seeing all the people coming down the

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staircase and our brave star, so that was very

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poignant, they run, the firefighters and

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police were going up to

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danger, this is going to be held from

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9-10 a.m. At the southwest corner of

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15th street and valley drive and I

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hope you can make it, so thank you.

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we'll move on to -- so item e, approval

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of agenda and waiver of full reading

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of ordinances.

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so we have a motion to accept by

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councilmember howorth and seconded by

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mayor pro tem tarnay.

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call for the vote.

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>> motion passes 5-0.

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city council and community

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organization announcements of upcoming

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events, one minute per person.

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>> hello, honorable city

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councilmembers, I'm john robert from

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the roundhouse aquarium, I know most

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of you already, we're sponsoring a

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free public lecture by david bader,

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the title of the talk is hope on

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horizon, protecting marine mammal in a

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changing world.

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the talk will be wednesday september

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2, 2026 from 6-7 p.m. In the manhattan

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beach public library next door.

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it should be a very interesting talk,

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david will describe the challenges

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that are accessing the local marine

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mammals and how the marine mammal care

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center is addressing those channel.

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this is timely because we're

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transitioning into an el nino event

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that is threatening to be strong and

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this will have profound effects on the

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local marine life and the marine

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mammals so it should be a very

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interesting talk and I look forward

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to it myself, it's wednesday september

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2 from 6-7 p.m. In the library just

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next door.

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>> good evening, honorable mayor,

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mayor pro tem and city councilmembers,

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I'm janet jones and I'm the founder

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and director of the single mom

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project which was home grown here in

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manhattan beach.

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we provide thousand dollar grants to

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low income, hardworking moms in

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hawthorne, lawn dale, inglewood,

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compton, watts to help them get on

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steadier financial if the footing and

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I'm thrilled to announce that tuesday

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september 8 will be single mom

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project day here in manhattan beach.

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we've had astounding support from the

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business community, we ever had a

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couple dozen restaurants and stores

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that have signed in to give a portion

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of their proceeds that day, whatever

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they want to give, to the single mom

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project.

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we want the city to come out and

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support families that live just 10-12

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minutes away who could use our support

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and need our support and we are just

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thrilled with the response the city

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>> honorable mayor, pro tem, city

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councilmembers, coach bobby, wm,

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recycling and/organics outreach

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and education.

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this is my favorite time of the year,

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it's back to school, my wife's a

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teacher so she gets outs of my house,

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we go to hand out lunchboxes to

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all the kindergartners, my

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favorite thing is those faces light up

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when we get to see them, two of the

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greenest schools, pacific and

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grandview did it sunday morning, I

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faces because I can't post those on

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social media.

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we got three more elementary schools

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to go, that's all I got.

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wishing you all god's blessings.

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>> thank you.

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>> russ lesser representing the

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manhattan 10k run on october 3rd this

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year, the 49th annual running will be

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done and if you're interested in

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participate, I suggest you go to

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mv10k.com soon because it's going to

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sell out in about two weeks.

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>> so run over and register.

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anybody else in council chambers?

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>> you want to go to zoom first.

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>> thank you, mr. Mayor, I just -- I

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was going to take this opportunity

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during community announcements to

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remind us that the manhattan beach

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public schools go back to school

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tomorrow, so everybody be aware,

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there's going to be a lot of kids

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walk, a lot of parents driving and

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keep your eyes open.

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to walk to school which is great but

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there will be a lot of those kids out

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there and some of them may not look

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both ways even though she should, so

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be careful when you're driving

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tomorrow and for the rest of the year,

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thank you.

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>> wonderful, anybody else?

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no, seeing none, we'll move on to g,

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public comments.

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you have three minutes per person and

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just a reminder, if you speak in this

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agenda, you cannot speak when that

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because I have some compliments I

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would like to give and don't want to

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get cut short on compliments.

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friday, I was walking home from doing

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some work on our apartment building on

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14th and strand and in the alley a at

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14th and ocean, there's about a four

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to five inch gusher of raw sewage

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coming up will you the sewer main, now

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that's not anything any resident wants

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to see and particularly when you're a

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the end of the line as low it gets to

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the city, the strand, you're not

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excited about a blockage.

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I called our after hours number, the

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545-5466, they got a hold of the

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public works emergency people.

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they were out there in almost the

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blink of an eye even though one of the

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workers came from downey, pleasant,

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efficient, got everything taken care

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of and 100 years a I was on what was

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called the public works commission

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here before I came on to council and I

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think public works is one of those

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assets we have in this community that

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we sometimes forget.

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the sewer mains are below the ground,

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the water mains are, everything's

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supposed to go right, you turn on

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the faucet, you get clean water,

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you flush, the bad things go away, but

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we have such a wonderful public works

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department and I want to give them a

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shout-out and things like the

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schedule rotational slurry sealing, it's

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uncomfortable when you can't driver

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down your street but that's better than

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having the street repaved and it goes

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on and on and on.

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the replenishment of the dog bags on

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the strand, the poop pick-up bags,

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routinely, you don't think anything

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about it but yet it happens and so

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those are kind of the unseen warriors

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in you will, graffiti removal, I'm a

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demon calling on graffiti and

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tagging removal and again our public

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works department is out there almost

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by the time I hang up and they do a

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good job and get more lotions and

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potions on that truck and takes off of

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various services and so on and like I

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say, so often people come down and

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have a little complaint, I have been

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known to do that, just a little

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compliment this evening, have a good

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evening.

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>> thank you very much, and home in

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your homes, we know you have a crank

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telephone in your place, but for

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anybody who wants to use an app, we

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have a great app called reach

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manhattan beach and you can also do --

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you can report the same things that the

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esteemed mr. Holmes just spoke about

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on the app and they will get there in

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a jiffy as well, thank you for

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recognizing them, I appreciate it.

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>> members of city council, first I

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want to echo and I see that happen as

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well, I have called for graffiti and

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it has been taken care of.

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I want you to report semi-annual on

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the status of our city's 774 unit rhna

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obligation as a regularly scheduled

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business topic, not as a -- but

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specifically to create a simple rhna

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dashboard as the example I attached in

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what I sent in earlier so it can be

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discussed at the council level and be

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shared with the residents for

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transparency.

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our concern is not whether manhattan

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beach should meet its legal housing

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obligation, it should, my concern is

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that we manage those obligations

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strategically to minimize unnecessary

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development impacts on our community.

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of our 774 units, 487 or 63% are

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designated very low or low income, yet

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many proposed projects contain

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approximately 20% lower income units

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and 80% market rate units

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substantially more than 774 total

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units could be required the to

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produce the affordable housing called

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for by rhna.

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as rod sites are developed, the city

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must maintain sufficient remaining

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capacity to accommodate its unmet

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arena.

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if development consumes sites without

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producing the income categories

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anticipate, the city could potentially

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be required to identify or rezone

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additional sites.

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in my e-mail exchange with adam

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finestone this past week en, I

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understand much of this information is

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tracked by staff for state required

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annual reporters no net loss

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monitoring, so this should largely

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involve presenting existing

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information in a more useful and

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transparent format.

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I ask council to direct staff to

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evaluate legally valuable policy

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incentives that could increase the

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percentage of low, very low to

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moderate income units produced by

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future projects, potentially reducing

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overall build out and the risk that

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additional sites will be required.

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this could include hiring a third

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party consultant with expertise in

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this a area.

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I believe understanding this now

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before additional rod sites are

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developed is important to protecting

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our community while meeting our state

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housing obligations.

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thank you.

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>> great, thank you.

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>> good evening, mayor franklin and

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city council, I'm kelly stroman, the

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executive director for downtown

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manhattan beach business and

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professional association.

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I'm here tonight to ask you to direct

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staff to continue to find a way to

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modernize manhattan beach's business

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license tax program.

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and to keep striving for a formula

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that is equitable, sustainable and

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revenue neutral to the city.

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we recognize this is complicated.

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we recognize the tremendous amount of

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time, analysis and thoughtful work our

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city staff, all of you and many groups

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and council have already invested.

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for that, we are very grateful.

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that work has value and it should not

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end simply because the most recent

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proposal did not move forward.

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the business landscape has changed

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drastically over the past 50

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years, we have solo entrepreneurs

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generating 10 thousand dollars in

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gross receipts and then we have mega

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businesses in manhattan beach

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generating 100 million in gross

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receipts.

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an equitable tax structure should and

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can have parity the across the entire

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spectrum.

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we are not asking the city to collect

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less revenue, we're asking for a

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better, more equable way to distribute

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the responsible for generating that

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revenue.

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modernization is accomplished

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perfectly on the first attempt, apples

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newton didn't have success, apple didn't

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decide the future wasn't mobile,

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imagine that.

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they learned, evolved and created

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something exponentially better.

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that is what progress looks like, you

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listen, you learn, you create, you

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explore.

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and then you evolve.

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since the formula, we considered

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over the last six to nine months

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wasn't the right one, let's not

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abandon the objective, let's improve

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the formula.

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the work has given us valuable

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information, we don't need to go

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back to square one and we shouldn't

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simply return indefinitely to a

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decades old system we already

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recognize needs modernization, keep

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modeling, keep refining and keep

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asking the difficult question.

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let's find the point where equity for

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our businesses and revenue neutrality

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for our city intersect.

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tonight our request on behalf of the

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association is simple, please, direct

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staff to continue this work until we

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find the best possible formula.

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one that is revenue neutral to the

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city, equitable to our business

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community and creates meaningful party

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across every level of gross receipts.

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the first answer doesn't have to be

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the perfect answer but an imperfect

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first attempt which we all experienced

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should never be the reason we stop

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looking for a better one.

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thank you.

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>> thank you, kelly.

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>> I'm back, russ lesser, and I know

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representing the manhattan beach 10k

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run and I know you're going to

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discuss legacy events later but I'm

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too old to stay up late so I'm going

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to speak now.

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I want to talk about the history of

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the race, back in 78, I was a newly

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elected city councilman and running

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was becoming popular and a bunch of

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friends said we should have a race

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in town and I went to the recreation

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department and said they didn't have

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the staff to do it.

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I met with the city council and said

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we have a bunch of volunteers to put

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on this race but we need a little

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public works support and we need

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police and paramedics on race day and

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we don't have money because we don't

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want to get a sponsor because sponsors

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want to put ads on your shirts and we

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don't want ads on our shirts so the

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city council agreed to have a contract

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with us to provide these services at

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mo cost and it's worked out quite well.

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this is our 49th annual race, we've

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been picked as one of the top 100 race

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in the country, the only one to our

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knowledge that does not have a sponsor

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because of the ad thing and we don't

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have any paid staff, it has a high

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participation of local residents,

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higher than just about any race in the

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top 100, because we're all volunteers,

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we've been able donate almost 900

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thousand dollars back to the community

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to build exercise equipment such as in

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polliwog park in manhattan heights, we

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built the tot lot at live oak park and

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the exercise facility on strand and we

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purchased exercise equipment for the

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police and fire department and donated

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hundreds of thousands of dollars to

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the schools with their exercise

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equipment and their programs and

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donated a quarter of a million dollars

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to students to give them scholarships

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to graduate when they graduate from

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mira costa.

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we're asking let's keep that 49 year

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contract in sxefkt we'll continue

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exactly how we've done for hopefully

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another 50 years.

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>> I got a quick question for russ,

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how many runners in 1978?

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>> about 2500, it was incredible, it

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was all done manually back then, you

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had to pull and put them on a

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spindle and put them on the boards, we

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had awards for every age group,

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mother, father, mother, daughter,

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mother, son, daughter and you know, it

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was a nightmare, now it's a piece of

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cake.

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we had to have men chutes and women

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chutes and we'd fill one up, the first

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year was a disaster because we ran

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around the pier and it got so backed

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up, half way around the pier, you

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know, before and we were bringing

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people in, we didn't know what we were

558
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:15,100
doing, we were rookies, but we changed

559
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,100
it.

560
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,100
if you got time for one quick story,

561
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,100
we had to get the permission

562
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:21,100
from the county every year to run

563
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:23,100
around the pier and there was an

564
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:26,100
accident once where somebody was

565
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,100
running under the pier and a piece of

566
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,100
concrete fell off and hurt them.

567
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,100
so I call the county to get permission

568
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:37,801
and they said how many people and I

569
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,100
said 4 thousand, and they said the

570
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,601
pier can't hold 4 thousand people, you

571
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,401
can't have a permit.

572
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,100
we have rachel judson and michael wise

573
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:52,100
berg, I was the chairman for the first

574
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,100
25, then rachel took over for about 15

575
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,100
and now michael's doing a fantastic

576
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:58,100
job.

577
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,100
next year will be our 50th anniversary.

578
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:03,100
there's 27 of us that have run all 48,

579
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,100
we're called the pier back which

580
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,100
stands for participated in every race.

581
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:10,100
our goal is to make it to 50, so thank

582
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:11,100
you.

583
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:12,100
>> thank you, I appreciate it.

584
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,100
>> thank you and your team.

585
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:17,100
okay.

586
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,401
any other public comments?

587
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,100
one per -- how about --

588
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,100
>> yes, I have collin user 1.

589
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:40,100
>> hi, my name is gourd and I want to

590
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:43,100
talk a about an issue of a pricing

591
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,100
concern here in manhattan beach,

592
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,100
specially the transsexual general

593
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,100
abasing it's ruined the quality of

594
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:52,100
life of this city, it's bringing crime

595
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:56,100
and drugs and graffiti to this city,

596
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,100
they beat all women in sports, they

597
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:01,100
beat all women in county jail and

598
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,100
state prisons and they beat our women

599
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:07,801
in the bathroom and I'm sick and tired

600
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,100
of these trans demanding free welfare

601
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:14,100
benefits and free housing.

602
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,100
they are destroying manhattan beach

603
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,100
and the cops need to start arresting

604
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,100
these people.

605
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,100
these people are masturbating on the

606
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,100
beach and we need to stop --

607
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,100
>> thank you, sir.

608
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:25,100
anybody else online?

609
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:27,100
>> no further requests on zoom.

610
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,100
>> okay, great.

611
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,100
we'll move --

612
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:34,201
>> I apologize, I'm trying to get my

613
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,100
button pushed here.

614
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,100
no, again, I wanted to take an

615
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:44,100
opportunity to compliment all the

616
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,100
staff, public safety, public works,

617
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,100
everyone involved, parks and rec,

618
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,100
starting last thursday, we had tens of

619
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,100
thousands of visitors and residents, a

620
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:56,100
lot of people that really enjoyed

621
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:58,100
volleyball and we had this footprint

622
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,100
in town that's pretty incredible, I

623
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,100
saw some drone footage, staff knocked

624
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:06,100
it out of the park, I'm talking about

625
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,100
the abp manhattan beach open and way

626
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,100
to go, hat's off to the staff for

627
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,100
pulling that off.

628
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:15,601
and as you're exiting the event,

629
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:18,100
they're strategically bringing it down

630
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,100
so it's a minimal impact to everyone

631
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,100
around, so congratulations, every year

632
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,100
it keeps getting better and better and

633
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,100
I don't know how you keep setting the

634
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,100
bar that high but you continue to

635
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,100
achieve it, so thank you for keeping

636
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:32,100
us safe and all the above.

637
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,100
>> great.

638
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,100
anybody else?

639
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,100
no?

640
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,100
okay, so we'll close public comments

641
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:45,801
and we'll go on to h, the consent

642
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,100
calendar.

643
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,601
going for a motion to approve.

644
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,100
we have a motion to approve from

645
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,100
councilmember lesser and seconded by

646
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:59,100
mayor pro tem tarnay.

647
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,601
call the for the vote, please.

648
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:11,100
>> motion passes 5-0.

649
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,100
>> alright, thank you.

650
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:20,201
moving on to item j, public hearings,

651
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:24,100
so number 13, consideration of a

652
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,100
resolutions regarding renewal of north

653
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:29,100
manhattan beach business improvement

654
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,100
district for fiscal year 2026-2027 and

655
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:36,201
it looks like we have our finance

656
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,100
director.

657
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,100
>> thank you, good evening, mayor,

658
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:41,100
members of the city council, tonight

659
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,100
we are pleased to present for your

660
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,100
consideration the renewal of the north

661
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,100
manhattan beach business

662
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:48,100
improvement district for fiscal

663
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,100
year 26-27.

664
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,100
the north manhattan beach business

665
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:53,100
improvement district was

666
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,100
established in 2004 in accordance with

667
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,100
the parking and business improvement

668
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,100
area law of 1989.

669
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,100
this state law also requires an annual

670
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,100
renewal process and the appointment of

671
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:06,100
an advisory board by the city council.

672
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,100
so on july 7, the bid advisory board

673
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,100
met to review a proposed activity plan

674
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:12,100
and budget for the fiscal year and

675
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:14,100
they voted affirmatively to recommend

676
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:15,100
the city council approve the items

677
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:17,100
before you tonight.

678
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:20,100
the city council then initiated the

679
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,100
annual renewal process on july 21 with

680
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,100
the approval of a resolution of

681
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,100
intention to renew and levy the

682
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,100
assessments which again remain

683
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,100
unchanged this year.

684
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:31,100
the north manhattan bid is funded

685
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,601
through an 80% surcharge on the annual

686
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,100
business license tax up to a maximum

687
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,100
of $500 per business.

688
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,100
the next step is to hold a public

689
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:42,100
hearing tonight to accept testimony

690
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:45,100
for or against the proposed

691
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,100
assessments, approval is based

692
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:49,100
on whether there is a weighted

693
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:50,100
majority protest by businesses that

694
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,601
pay 50% or more of the total

695
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,100
assessment.

696
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,100
all legal requirements for tonight's

697
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:58,100
public hearing have been met including

698
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,100
mailing copies of the resolution of

699
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,100
intention to all businesses and a

700
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:05,100
notice was published in the beach

701
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,100
reporter.

702
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:08,100
I wanted to note in 2025, the north

703
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,100
manhattan beach business and

704
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,100
professional association was

705
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,100
established as a non-profit

706
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,100
corporation and the management of the

707
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,601
bid activities was transitioned to the

708
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,100
newly formed association, so with the

709
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:22,100
transition of activities to the

710
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:24,100
association last year, the bid

711
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,100
advisory board is expected to meet

712
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:28,100
less frequently than in prior years

713
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,100
similar to what happens with the doub

714
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,100
town bid.

715
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,100
and so I wanted to note too that the

716
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,100
north bid currently has bylaws that

717
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,100
require an election process to

718
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,100
nominate board members which are then

719
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,100
appointed by the city council as

720
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:42,100
required by state law.

721
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,100
and the last election was held in

722
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,100
december of 2024 and the members were

723
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:50,100
elected to a two year term ending this

724
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,100
coming december in 2026.

725
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:55,100
so as noted in the staff report,

726
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,100
staff's currently exploring

727
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,100
alternative advisory board nomination

728
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,100
processes that may be more efficient

729
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,100
and cost effective than a an elections

730
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,100
process so we're doing that research

731
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,100
and then we'll be holding a bid

732
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:09,100
advisory board meeting in the coming

733
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:10,100
months to discuss potential revisions

734
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,100
to the governing document which is we

735
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:14,100
would then bring back to the city

736
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,100
council for approval at a future

737
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:17,100
meeting.

738
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,100
so, I just wanted to note that.

739
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,100
so tonight the business improvement

740
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,100
district associated assessments and

741
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,100
collaboration with the association

742
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,100
would continue to remain in place for

743
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:30,100
the upcoming fiscal year with the

744
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:31,100
following actions and consideration by

745
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,100
the city council tonight, so one is to

746
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,100
hold the public hearing to receive

747
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,100
testimony and assuming insufficient

748
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,100
protests are received, resolution

749
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:42,100
number 26-0095 must be adopted to

750
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,100
authorize the collection of

751
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,601
assessments, two, with the adoption of

752
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,100
resolution 26-0096, the city manager

753
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:50,100
will be thorpe to enter into the

754
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,100
agreement with the north man bath

755
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,100
beach business and professional

756
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:55,100
association for the services outlined

757
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,100
in the attached activity plan and

758
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:59,100
budget and three, with the

759
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:00,100
appropriation of 90 thousand dollars

760
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:03,100
from the parking fund, the city

761
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,100
will disburse a accumulated bid funds

762
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:07,100
to the association for the execution

763
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,100
of the services outlined in the

764
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,100
activity plan and budget.

765
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,100
and after accounting for the estimated

766
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:15,100
assessments and interest earnings in

767
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,601
the upcoming year, this would leave

768
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:20,100
approximately 279 thousand dollars in

769
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:23,100
the reserve funds that we hold for the

770
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:24,100
bid.

771
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:25,100
so staff is here to answer any

772
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,100
questioners as well as I see the

773
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:29,100
association president and jill lamkin

774
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,100
with the chamber of commerce who's

775
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:34,100
also supporting the association and

776
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,100
bid.

777
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:36,100
so I'm sure they'd be happy to answer

778
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:37,100
any questions as well.

779
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,100
if none, we would recommend opening

780
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,100
the public hearing at this time.

781
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:42,100
>> okay, great.

782
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,100
councilmembers, questions?

783
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,100
okay, councilmember charelian?

784
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,100
>> thank you, mayor, thank you for the

785
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,100
presentation, libby.

786
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,100
quick question on the 278 thousand

787
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,100
dollars you mentioned in the reserves,

788
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:01,100
for the bid to draw down on those

789
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,100
funds, can you walk me through the

790
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,100
process or walk us through the process

791
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:06,100
of how -- because they get a certain

792
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,100
budget and then those are in the

793
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,100
reserves so if they want to take from

794
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:13,100
the reserves, what's the process?

795
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:17,100
>> so, due to some like timing changes

796
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:18,100
of budget development this year and

797
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,601
the formation of the association, the

798
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:25,601
adopted budget for fiscal year 26-27,

799
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,100
we missed including an appropriation

800
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,100
for the bid activities this year, so

801
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,100
that's why we are needing to the

802
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:35,100
appropriate the full 90 thousand which

803
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,100
is the amount requested by the

804
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,100
association, so that's not in addition

805
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:43,100
to anything that was already in the

806
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:45,100
budget since we -- due to a timing

807
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,100
issue, we missed it this year.

808
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,100
with the city council's approval

809
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,601
tonight, hen we would be disbursing 90

810
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,100
thousand dollars from the reserve.

811
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,401
the bid traditionally received 25

812
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,100
thousand dollars this year, but it's

813
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:11,100
been creeping up and this year we're

814
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,100
just under 30 thousand dollars, so

815
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:15,100
they're right around that range and

816
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,100
they'll be spending down some of those

817
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,100
funds in this the next year.

818
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,100
>> anybody else?

819
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,100
no?

820
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,601
so, we'll go to public comments.

821
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,100
anybody in the chamber?

822
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,100
don't rush down.

823
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,100
okay.

824
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,100
and how about online?

825
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,100
>> no requests on zoom.

826
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:35,100
>> no requests on zoom, so we'll close

827
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,100
public comments.

828
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:40,601
anybody wish to start off the

829
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:44,100
conversation?

830
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,100
comments or --

831
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,401
>> it's pretty straight forward.

832
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,100
>> I would thank the business members

833
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:54,100
for their engagement and their

834
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,100
involvement with the north end and

835
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,601
what you have created, I'm the

836
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:03,100
alternate member of the bid, I have

837
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,100
not attended any meetings in my new

838
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,100
role which is an old role I previously

839
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:12,801
served in and I'm so grateful for what

840
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,100
for the work that you have been doing

841
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:17,100
for our community.

842
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:18,100
>> thank you, so did you want to speak?

843
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:19,100
>> no, I think that's left over, I

844
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:20,100
apologize.

845
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,100
>> so, we -- if there's no more

846
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,100
comments and we have a motion to

847
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,100
accept by councilmember charelian and

848
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:27,401
that's seconded by councilmember

849
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,100
howorth.

850
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:32,100
call if for the vote.

851
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,100
we have to read the motion.

852
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,100
>> thank you, your honor.

853
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,201
so, my motion is to adopt resolution

854
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,100
number 26-0095 and 26-0096 and

855
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,100
appropriate funds and authorize the

856
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,100
disbursement of the reserved bid

857
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:49,100
funds.

858
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,100
>> great.

859
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,601
and call for the vote, please.

860
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,100
>> motion passes 5-0.

861
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,401
>> great, thank you, all.

862
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:10,201
so we move on to general business.

863
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,100
item k, item number 14, consideration

864
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,100
of a resolution approving an exception

865
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:19,201
to the 180 day wait period for calpers

866
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,100
retired annuitant and we have human

867
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,100
resources director.

868
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:29,100
>> thank you, mayor, I'm lisa jenkins,

869
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,100
the city's human resorts director and

870
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:34,100
the item before council this evening

871
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,100
is approval of a resolution to make an

872
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,100
exception for the 180 day wait period

873
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,100
that's normally required for a calpers

874
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,100
agency to hire an individual who has

875
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,100
retired from a calpers agency.

876
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:51,100
and calpers for those who are not

877
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:54,100
particular is the california public

878
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:56,100
employees' retirement system.

879
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,100
the city of manhattan beach and many

880
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,100
other public agencies within the state

881
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,401
are members of calpers.

882
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,100
calpers has various roles governing

883
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:07,601
the appointment of retirees and the

884
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:11,100
ways in which that they can work for

885
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,100
calpers agencies.

886
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,100
government code 21224 allows for an

887
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,100
appointment of a retired annuitant to

888
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,100
an extra help assignment in a limited

889
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,100
duration capacity provided it meets

890
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,100
all of the government code requirements

891
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:28,401
and calpers criteria, in

892
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,100
particular, the appointment needs to

893
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,100
be an extra help limited duration

894
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,100
assignment to help clear backlog, work

895
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,100
on a special project or perform work

896
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,100
in excess of what existing staff can

897
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,100
do.

898
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,100
and additionally a retired annuitant

899
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:47,100
cannot work more than 960 hours in a

900
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,100
a fiscal year and there's typically a

901
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:52,401
180 day wait period following

902
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:54,100
someone's retirement unless the

903
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,100
governing body approves an exception

904
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:59,100
to this timeframe in accordance with

905
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,100
government code 7522.56.

906
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,100
mr. Douglas atkinson is the retiree

907
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,100
that has been identified to fill a

908
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,100
critical need for the community

909
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:09,100
development department.

910
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:13,100
he retired from his position of senior

911
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,100
building inspector in june of this

912
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,100
year.

913
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:17,100
the city opened up a recruitment to

914
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:21,100
fill that position in may so prior to

915
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:22,100
his retirement date.

916
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,401
following the recruitment and

917
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:26,100
selection process, an internal

918
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,100
candidate was appointed to the senior

919
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,100
building inspector position which is

920
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:32,100
great for career and professional

921
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:35,100
development within the city, however,

922
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,100
that means that there was a vacancy

923
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:39,100
that remained at the building

924
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,100
inspector level.

925
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,100
during the same time period, a second

926
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,100
building inspector submitted their

927
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:48,601
resignation, so that resulted in two

928
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:52,100
vacancies at building inspector, the

929
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,100
full complement is typically four

930
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,100
building inspectors so we're 50% down

931
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,100
right now.

932
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,401
additionally the community development

933
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,100
department has established a service

934
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,100
delivery expectation of doing next

935
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,100
day building inspections in most cases.

936
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,100
this is not something that's required

937
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:17,801
by the municipal code but it is something

938
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:20,100
that differentiates the service that

939
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:21,100
we provide to the construction

940
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,100
community to ensure that building

941
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,100
inspections move forward timely.

942
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:27,201
so, in the absence that these two

943
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,100
vacancies have created, other staff

944
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:32,100
members including the city's business

945
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,100
official have had to step in to

946
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,100
conduct these building inspections to

947
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,601
ensure that next day turn-around time.

948
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:41,100
and this takes them away from other

949
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:44,601
critical duties and is not sustainable.

950
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,100
fortunately wringing with calpers and

951
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,100
legal counsel, we've identified the

952
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:53,100
the solution of being able to appoint

953
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:54,100
our recent retiree to assist with

954
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:55,100
these next day building inspections.

955
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:59,801
and mr. Atkinson is able to step in

956
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:05,100
immediately due to his years of

957
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,100
experience working in this capacity

958
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:09,601
for the city of manhattan beach.

959
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:13,100
the expenditures associated with this

960
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:14,100
limited duration position would

961
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,100
otherwise be utilized for those full

962
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,100
time salaries and benefits.

963
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:21,100
so, during the recruitment process for

964
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:24,100
building inspector which is currently

965
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:25,100
open, salary savings will be utilized

966
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,100
to fund this extra help position.

967
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,100
the position is not a net new

968
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,100
expenditure but is a creative way to

969
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:36,201
fill in the gaps and ensure service

970
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:38,100
delivery standards are met for a short

971
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:39,100
duration of time.

972
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,100
and in accordance with calpers

973
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,100
regulations, the hourly rate paid to

974
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:46,100
mr. Atkinson of $62.50 per hour is

975
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:49,601
within the salary range for senior

976
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,100
building inspector.

977
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:55,100
calpers requires that an appointment

978
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,100
document is approved along with the

979
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:59,401
resolution and the personnel

980
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,100
action form fulfills this requirement

981
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:05,100
as mr. Atkinson was a former employee

982
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:09,100
of the city, salary generated on the

983
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,100
personal action form was his prior

984
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,100
salary and that was before the july

985
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:16,100
cola that applied to those, salary

986
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:19,100
ranges and increases the salary step.

987
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,100
the new salary will be populated once

988
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,100
the action is finalized and that's

989
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,100
pending city council approval tonight.

990
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,100
the calpers restriction, mr. Atkinson

991
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:34,100
will not be eligible for any other

992
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:35,100
benefit or exhumation.

993
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,100
the limited duration appointment will

994
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,100
end after permanent building

995
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:43,601
inspectors are hired and on boarded

996
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:49,100
and will end no later than december

997
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:50,100
31st of this year.

998
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,100
staff recommends that the city council

999
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,100
approve the resolution for an 180 day

1000
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:54,100
wait period exception under government

1001
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,100
code sections 7522.56 and 21224.

1002
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,100
and with that, I'm happy to answer any

1003
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,100
questions that council has.

1004
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,100
>> we have councilmember howorth, any

1005
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,100
questions?

1006
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,401
>> this building inspector, interim

1007
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,100
building inspector.

1008
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,100
>> extra help position.

1009
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:14,601
>> will -- we'll still be done 50%

1010
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,100
>> we currently have two the vacancies

1011
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:23,201
in our current complement of full time

1012
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:26,100
staffing.

1013
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:28,100
>> so, this is an effort to try to

1014
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:29,100
keep the inspects and moving along

1015
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,100
which helps with both residential and

1016
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,100
commercial, correct?

1017
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:33,100
>> that's correct.

1018
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:37,801
>> do we have a problem in hiring --

1019
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,100
is there an issue with the salary?

1020
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,100
are we -- is our salary range lower

1021
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,100
than other cities in this regard?

1022
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,100
>> so, that's a great question and I

1023
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,100
do know that across cities, building

1024
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,100
inspector is a very difficult position

1025
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:55,100
to hire.

1026
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:58,100
we do know that one of our recent

1027
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,100
resignations was due to the incumbent

1028
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,100
being able to secure a higher salary

1029
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:07,100
elsewhere, so that is potentially a

1030
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:10,100
factor in being able to recruit

1031
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,100
qualified building inspectors.

1032
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,601
also we work with various contract

1033
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,100
agencies to also try to fill in the

1034
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:20,100
apses when we have vacancies.

1035
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:23,100
these other entities are having a

1036
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,100
difficult time with building

1037
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:28,100
inspectors, so it is a difficult to

1038
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:29,100
fill position.

1039
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:33,100
>> and I would imagine, I mean, we --

1040
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:37,100
every city has its own unique codes

1041
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,100
and requirements and specifications

1042
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:42,100
and we must have a series of

1043
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,100
interesting situations that require a

1044
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:47,100
lot of attention.

1045
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,100
so, that's interesting.

1046
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:53,100
I would want us to be sure that we are

1047
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,100
offering a commensurate salary.

1048
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:57,100
I don't know how other people feel

1049
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,100
about that, but if that's a problem,

1050
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:01,100
we don't want to be down 50% with all

1051
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:02,100
the building going on in this

1052
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:03,100
community.

1053
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,100
>> one thing I will add on that note,

1054
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,100
we have the recruitment currently

1055
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:09,100
open, I believe it closes later this

1056
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:12,100
month and we do have a number of

1057
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:14,100
applicants, so we hope to be able to

1058
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,100
fill the vacant positions from that

1059
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,100
recruitment process.

1060
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:20,100
if there is any challenges in being

1061
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,100
able to identify qualified individual,

1062
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,100
we will certainly be working

1063
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:26,100
collaboratively with the community

1064
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:27,100
development department to determine if

1065
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:29,100
if any additional steps need to be

1066
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:30,100
taken.

1067
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:32,100
>> great, thank you.

1068
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:35,100
>> so, I would like to ask a question,

1069
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:38,100
you know, since we're in the belly of

1070
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:40,100
the beast, calpers, why do we have to

1071
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,100
go through this process of passing

1072
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:46,601
this amendment and then, you know,

1073
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:54,100
here -- and look at that 180 days, if

1074
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:59,100
you can -- why is an annuitant have to

1075
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,100
wait for 180 days, I understand

1076
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,100
there's federal law implications as

1077
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:04,100
well.

1078
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:05,100
>> that's a great question.

1079
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,100
the simple answer is calpers putting

1080
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,100
parameters around appointing retired

1081
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,100
annuitants because if it's a regular

1082
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,100
staff position, they would prefer to

1083
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,100
have an individual in that position

1084
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,100
who's a member of the calpers system

1085
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,100
so there's contributions being made on

1086
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:22,100
that person's behalf, so appointments

1087
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:25,601
that the city makes of retired

1088
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:28,100
annuitants, there's no contribution to

1089
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:29,100
calpers, the individuals are already

1090
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,100
receiving their pension from calpers,

1091
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:34,100
so calpers puts these guardrails

1092
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:38,100
around it because they don't want

1093
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,100
cities to have retirees filling in for

1094
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,100
regular staff positions.

1095
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:43,100
and the council will recall, we do

1096
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,100
also take to council appointments

1097
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:49,100
under the other government code which

1098
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:51,100
is 21221h, that's for interim

1099
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,100
positions, those are typically at the

1100
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:54,100
department director level.

1101
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,100
for each of these types appointments,

1102
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,100
calpers through the california

1103
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,100
government code has requirements for

1104
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,100
the types of appointments that can be

1105
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:04,100
made.

1106
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:07,100
in this case in particular, I believe

1107
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,100
the 180 day period is to

1108
00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:15,100
prevent retiring and filling right

1109
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,100
back into their position or in another

1110
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,100
agency in a similar capacity.

1111
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,100
in this instance, calpers has advised

1112
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,100
us this is an appropriate pathway in

1113
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,100
our limitations right now to guarantee

1114
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:27,100
the next day inspections which is

1115
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,100
something we consider critical in this

1116
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:32,100
community for our economic success and

1117
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:34,100
for our construction community.

1118
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,100
>> okay, so I asked there a copy of

1119
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:39,100
the code and I see you're following

1120
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,100
the template here and so the only

1121
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:44,201
thing that concerns me is that the

1122
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:46,100
very last sentence accordingly, the

1123
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,100
critical need for mr. Atkinson's

1124
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:53,100
appointment will known later than

1125
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,100
december 31, 2026 and his appointment

1126
00:50:55,100 --> 00:51:00,100
will end at the same time, so what if

1127
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:04,100
we don't find a full time person

1128
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:05,100
because we've already been two to

1129
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:07,100
three months and this is only

1130
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,100
extending it for another three to

1131
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,100
four, the same economic conditions and

1132
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:12,100
things like that.

1133
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,100
>> another great question, and we did

1134
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,100
attempt on our first draft to leave

1135
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,100
that a little more open ended so that

1136
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:21,100
we would have that flexibility.

1137
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,100
we asked calpers to review the

1138
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:25,100
resolution and they advised that we

1139
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:28,100
needed to ensure that it was limited

1140
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:29,100
duration.

1141
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:32,601
we do have other mechanisms to

1142
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,100
potentially supplement city staff,

1143
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,100
there's an individual who is

1144
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,100
identified through a contract agency

1145
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,100
who is available after october, so we

1146
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:46,601
are continuing to look for other

1147
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,100
resources to supplement city staffing

1148
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:51,100
especially in the event if we're

1149
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,100
not able to fill the permanent staff.

1150
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,401
>> okay , great, thank you.

1151
00:51:58,100 --> 00:51:59,100
and mayor pro tem tarnay?

1152
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:00,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor, I

1153
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,100
just have a

1154
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:08,100
question to the mayor's question,

1155
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:10,100
after the december 31 deadline, is

1156
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,100
there a potential that we can extend

1157
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:15,100
or renew, is that a possibility?

1158
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,100
>> I think we would have to look at

1159
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,100
that situation at the time to ensure

1160
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:22,100
that it meets the calpers requirements.

1161
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,100
it could be a different set of

1162
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:27,100
circumstances that necessitates a

1163
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:31,201
retired annuitant hire and we do --

1164
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:35,100
the reason council is seeing this item

1165
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,100
is because of the 180 day issue.

1166
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:40,601
typically when we identify a compliant

1167
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:45,100
need for special project or extra help

1168
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:49,100
support, the city is able to complete

1169
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,100
that process without approval from the

1170
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:54,100
city council, so, one other idea

1171
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,100
that's come up internally is

1172
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,100
determining if there's other retirees

1173
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:01,601
available for special projects or big

1174
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:04,401
community development projects that

1175
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,100
occur or identifying individuals who

1176
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:08,100
have retired from a different

1177
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:11,100
retirement system in which case the

1178
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,100
calpers restrictions don't apply, so I

1179
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:15,100
understand the question and the

1180
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:17,100
concern and we'll have to re-evaluate

1181
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,100
that at the time to figure out where

1182
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:23,100
we're at and what resources we can

1183
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:24,100
bring in, in compliance with all the

1184
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:25,100
standards.

1185
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:28,100
>> okay, thank you, and I echo

1186
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,100
councilmember howorth's concern with

1187
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:33,601
just our inability to fill very

1188
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:35,100
critical roles.

1189
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,100
for building inspectors, do we

1190
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:39,100
typically use contractors to fill

1191
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:40,100
those roles?

1192
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:42,100
I understand, you know, our codes are

1193
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:46,100
in our local building codes are very

1194
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,100
complicated and that we'd want

1195
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:51,100
somebody who's experienced in our

1196
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,100
local codes to fill these positions.

1197
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:54,100
is this something we typically do?

1198
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,100
>> we do and we have existing

1199
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:59,100
contracts that have the possibility

1200
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,100
for bringing on building inspectors.

1201
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,401
what our community development

1202
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,100
department is finding, even these

1203
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:11,100
contract agencies are having trouble

1204
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,100
recruiting qualified building

1205
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,100
inspectors, right now when we were

1206
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:17,100
evaluating options for bringing in

1207
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,100
extra help, the contract agency didn't

1208
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,100
have anyone available and the

1209
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,100
individual that I mentioned who's

1210
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:25,100
available after october is a

1211
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:26,100
resource that the community

1212
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:27,100
development department is planning to

1213
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:31,100
bring on board to also supplement the

1214
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:32,100
staffing.

1215
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:34,100
>> alright, thank you.

1216
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:35,100
>> councilmember charelian?

1217
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:38,601
>> thank you, mayor, so the cooling

1218
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:42,100
off rule, the 180 day requirement,

1219
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:46,100
that's a state law government code,

1220
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,100
but there is an exception to that

1221
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,100
government code that you're following

1222
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:54,100
right now to get it exercised.

1223
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:55,100
>> correct.

1224
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:59,100
>> and then I guess the only other

1225
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:00,100
comment or comment/question I would

1226
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:03,100
have, did we look at ut putting not to

1227
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,601
exceed 960 hours instead of a sunset

1228
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:10,100
date in december and just utilize the

1229
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,100
960, was that thought about or can you

1230
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:15,100
elaborate on that?

1231
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:18,601
>> sure, so the parameters for the

1232
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:20,100
21224 appointments are really related

1233
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,100
to the reason that the person is

1234
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:23,100
filling in.

1235
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,801
calpers the does not want things to be

1236
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:31,100
open ended because for the 960, it's

1237
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:33,100
per fiscal year.

1238
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,100
we've had situations for other

1239
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:38,100
resolutions where if you just put in

1240
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:42,100
960 and don't specify an end date, it

1241
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:44,100
can be viewed as extending it year

1242
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,100
after year after year.

1243
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:50,201
for this one, for the 180 day wait

1244
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:52,100
period, they preferred an end date.

1245
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:53,100
>> okay.

1246
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:55,100
>> and just a quick question about the

1247
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:58,601
resolution we pass today, is calpers,

1248
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:04,100
does it need approval by calpers

1249
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:05,100
because you have already talked with

1250
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:06,100
them?

1251
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:08,100
>> we sent the resolution to them and

1252
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:11,100
with the change of adding the end

1253
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,100
date, they have approved the

1254
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:14,100
resolution.

1255
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:15,100
>> okay.

1256
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:18,100
>> and we've also had the resolution

1257
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,100
reviewed by legal counsel so pending

1258
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,100
city council's approval, we should be

1259
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,100
good to go.

1260
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:29,100
>> great, when mr. Atkinson comes

1261
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,100
back, we'd be up to three out of four

1262
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:35,100
will be our staffing for inspectors?

1263
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:39,201
>> well, mr. Atkinson is filling in on

1264
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:42,100
an as needed basis to ensure we're

1265
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:44,100
meeting that standard for next day

1266
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,100
building inspections, he won't be

1267
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,100
working 40 hours per week, he'll be

1268
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:51,100
working as needed so we're still

1269
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,100
slivering to fill in those two vacant

1270
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:55,100
positions with full time employees.

1271
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:59,100
>> I'm just trying to think what do we

1272
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:01,100
say to developers who are waiting for

1273
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:03,100
these inspections?

1274
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:06,100
>> yeah, and as I mentioned, I think

1275
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,100
that city staff has been working

1276
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:10,100
diligently and outside their normal

1277
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:11,100
scope to ensure that those standards

1278
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:12,100
are met.

1279
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:15,100
I'm not aware there has been a

1280
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:18,100
delay thus far and this resolution and

1281
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:22,100
bringing mr. Atkinson on board is to

1282
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:25,100
ensure that that continues without

1283
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:28,100
having detrimental impact on existing

1284
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:29,100
city staff.

1285
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:31,100
>> okay, great, thank you.

1286
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,100
alright, so if there's not anymore

1287
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,100
questions from council, I'll open it

1288
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,401
up for public comment.

1289
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:48,401
>> stefan kampe once again.

1290
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,100
doug is an excellent inspector, he was

1291
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:02,100
easy to work with, very knowledgeable,

1292
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,100
very efficient so I hope you guys take

1293
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,100
this opportunity to reemploy him in

1294
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:09,100
this role because the city needs it

1295
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:12,100
and I think very highly of doug.

1296
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,100
>> great, thank you.

1297
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,401
anybody else in chambers?

1298
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:23,401
>> no requests on zoom.

1299
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,401
>> we'll close public comments.

1300
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:29,100
council, any discussion, we do have

1301
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,100
a motion to accept by councilmember

1302
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,100
howorth and seconded by mayor pro tem

1303
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,100
tarnay.

1304
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:39,201
>> thank you, mr. Mayor, I wanted to

1305
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:41,100
comment that, yeah, obviously we need

1306
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:44,100
to do this and this is the proper

1307
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,100
procedure and there's all kinds of

1308
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:49,100
rules with callers and as

1309
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:50,100
councilmember charelian mentioned,

1310
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:53,100
state law, etc., and I think that if

1311
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:57,201
we approve this, I know that ryan

1312
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,100
heise, he's probably out doing an

1313
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:02,100
inspection now.

1314
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:06,100
masa is ready to do inspections our

1315
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,100
staff, you undersold how much that

1316
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:10,100
staff has been going above and beyond

1317
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:12,100
and outside the scope of their duties

1318
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,100
to make sure these inspections happen

1319
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,100
and I want everybody both in the

1320
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:17,100
business community and residential

1321
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:20,601
community to hear that and understand

1322
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,401
that, so thank you.

1323
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:26,100
>> would you do the honors of reading

1324
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:27,100
the --

1325
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:30,100
>> yes, I made a motion, consideration

1326
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:32,100
of a resolution approving an exception

1327
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:36,201
to the 180 day wait period for a

1328
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,100
california employees' retirement

1329
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,100
system, calpers, retired annuitant

1330
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,401
under government code sections 7522.56

1331
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:49,100
and 21224 to fill a critical need for

1332
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:51,100
conducting building inspections in the

1333
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:52,100
community development department.

1334
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:54,100
there's no budget impact.

1335
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:56,401
this is resolution 26-0097.

1336
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,100
>> great, thank you, call for the

1337
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:01,100
vote, please.

1338
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,100
>> motion passes 5-0.

1339
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,100
>> okay.

1340
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,100
how's everybody doing?

1341
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:11,100
okay?

1342
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:14,100
>> I could use a quick break, please.

1343
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:16,100
>> there's one item, I could use a

1344
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,100
break too.

1345
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:22,801
>> okay, so if we can come back at

1346
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:26,401
7:10, 7:15, what would you like?

1347
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,100
>> 7:10.

1348
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:31,100
>> 7:10 is great.

1349
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,100
>> thank you, mayor.

1350
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:39,100
( meeting in recess ).

1351
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,400
>> item 15, consideration of a

1352
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:09,100
standardized process for evaluating

1353
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:11,401
administrative legacy special event

1354
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,100
subsidies.

1355
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:19,100
>> I'm mark leyman, your parks and

1356
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:20,100
recreation director, I'll hand it over

1357
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:21,100
to linda.

1358
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:23,100
>> good evening, honorable

1359
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:26,100
mayor and city councilmembers.

1360
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,401
the item includes separate

1361
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:35,100
items, because each requires a

1362
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:37,100
separate policy or funding decision,

1363
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:39,100
I'll be presenting them individually

1364
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:41,100
and pausing after each section for

1365
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:42,100
council questions, discussion and

1366
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:45,100
action before moving on to the next

1367
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:46,100
item.

1368
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:47,100
we'll begin with the proposed

1369
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:50,100
community event subsidy program, also

1370
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:53,100
known as fee waivers, we'll then

1371
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:54,100
pause for council discussion and action

1372
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:57,100
before moving on to the north

1373
01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:00,100
manhattan beach holiday stroll road

1374
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:03,601
closure and subsidy and we'll pause

1375
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:06,100
again for council action before moving

1376
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:07,100
on to the holiday subsidy.

1377
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:10,100
my goal is to keep each decision

1378
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,100
separate.

1379
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:13,100
so, for some background in 2025, when

1380
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:16,601
the council approved fee waivers for

1381
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:19,100
fiscal years 26-27, you directed staff

1382
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:21,100
to return with criteria used by other

1383
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:25,201
cities to review fee waivers along with

1384
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:29,100
an updated met of reviewing to provide

1385
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:32,601
a more equitable and consistent method

1386
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:35,100
for evaluating event subsidies over

1387
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:38,601
the years, the city's approach to

1388
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:42,100
these subsidies have evolved through a

1389
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,100
series of individual council actions.

1390
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:46,100
the special events policy was updated

1391
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:48,100
in 2018.

1392
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:50,100
council approved the highland avenue

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01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,401
closure as a pilot.

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01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,100
each of these decisions addressed a

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01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:58,100
particular need at that time.

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01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:01,601
we don't currently have is a

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01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,100
standardized framework for evaluating

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01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:05,100
these requests.

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01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:07,100
and the proposed process is intended

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01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,100
to provide that framework.

1401
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:11,100
so, for our current practice currently

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01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:14,100
the city supports 12 legacy events

1403
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:15,100
through subsidized city services.

1404
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:18,100
as you can see, these include a wide

1405
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:20,100
variety of community events, from

1406
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:23,100
races and school related events to

1407
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:24,100
hometown fair, the holiday

1408
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,100
holiday stroll, most

1409
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:30,601
currently we received a 100 subsidy for

1410
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:34,100
city services, three receive a 75%

1411
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,100
subsidy.

1412
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:38,100
these subsidy levels have evolved over

1413
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:40,100
many years through individual council

1414
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:42,100
actions rather than through a common

1415
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:43,100
evaluation framework.

1416
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:47,100
so, in addition to the varying subsidy

1417
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:49,100
levels, approvals are based on

1418
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:50,100
estimated costs and those estimates

1419
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:53,100
can vary from the actual cost once an

1420
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:54,100
event takes place.

1421
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:57,100
under our current policy, subsidies

1422
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:59,100
apply to city only.

1423
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:02,100
the third party costs per the special

1424
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:03,100
events policy remain the

1425
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,100
responsibility of the event ozer

1426
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:08,100
engineer unless the city council has

1427
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,100
specifically approved otherwise.

1428
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:11,100
so, the proposed program has severe

1429
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:14,100
objectives, we want to create a fair

1430
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:16,100
evaluation framework, improver

1431
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:18,401
transparency, ensure subsidies align

1432
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:23,100
ed with the community priorities and

1433
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:25,100
preserve support for valued community

1434
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:26,100
events.

1435
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:28,100
we also want to establish clear

1436
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:31,100
expectations for both the city and

1437
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,100
event organizers regarding the level

1438
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,100
of city funded services that will be

1439
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,100
provided.

1440
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:39,100
this proposal is about consistency,

1441
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:40,100
transparency, applicant wills

1442
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:43,100
understand how their requests are

1443
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:45,100
evaluated, the council will have

1444
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:48,601
better information about the value of

1445
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:51,100
the city's contribution when making

1446
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:52,100
funding decisions.

1447
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:53,100
the proposed process would occur

1448
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:54,100
annually and align with the city's

1449
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:56,100
budget cycle.

1450
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,100
organizers would submit sudden subsidy

1451
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,100
applications in september.

1452
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:03,100
previous actual costs as a starting

1453
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:05,401
point would be seen.

1454
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:08,100
that timing allows previous subsidies

1455
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,100
to be incorporated into departmental

1456
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:13,100
budgets through the normal budget

1457
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:14,100
process.

1458
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,100
each request would be evaluated using

1459
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:20,100
five criteria, community benefit, why

1460
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:23,100
is this good for the community, public

1461
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,601
accessibility, can the public enjoy it.

1462
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:29,100
organizational eligibility, who's

1463
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:31,100
putting on the event, target audience,

1464
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:35,100
who does it primarily serve, and city

1465
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:36,100
resource requirements, how much does

1466
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:39,100
it cost the city to support.

1467
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:41,100
these criteria consider both the value

1468
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,100
and event provides the manhattan beach

1469
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:46,100
community and the level of city

1470
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,100
resources required to support it.

1471
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:50,100
the intent is to provide an objective

1472
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:52,100
and consisted tent basis for

1473
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:54,100
evaluating requests while recognizing

1474
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:56,100
that every event is unique.

1475
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:57,100
each application would then be scored

1476
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,401
using the evaluation matrix.

1477
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:03,100
the matrix provides staff with an

1478
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:05,100
objective recommendation regarding

1479
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:09,100
the maximum subsidy for which an event

1480
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:10,100
is eligible.

1481
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:12,100
however the scoring matrix is intended

1482
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:16,100
to guide the discussion, no to replace

1483
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:17,100
the city's council policy discretion,

1484
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:19,100
so the city council will continue the

1485
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:21,100
make the final decisions regarding the

1486
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:23,401
level of subsidy awarded.

1487
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:28,201
once a subsidy is approved, the city

1488
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:31,100
would into an agreement with the event

1489
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:32,100
or engineer identifying the specific

1490
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,100
services that have been approved and

1491
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:36,100
establishing a not to exceed amount.

1492
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,100
this establishes clear expectations

1493
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:40,100
for both city and the organizer, it

1494
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:43,601
also provides a clear benchmark against

1495
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:48,100
which staff can track the actual

1496
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:49,100
services provided and distinguish

1497
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:50,100
between the subsidy council approved

1498
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,100
and any additional services requested

1499
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:52,100
by the organizer.

1500
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:55,100
staff will calculate the estimated

1501
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:58,100
value of all requested city services

1502
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:59,100
before council considers each subsidy

1503
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:00,100
request.

1504
01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:02,100
those estimates include fully burdened

1505
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,100
staff cost, facility rental fees, city

1506
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:07,100
equipment, parking meter impacts,

1507
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:09,100
application fees, permit fees and

1508
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:11,100
other applicable city services.

1509
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:13,100
presenting the full estimated value of

1510
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:14,100
the city's contribution allows the

1511
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:17,100
council to clearly understand the

1512
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:19,100
financial commitment associated with

1513
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:22,601
each subsidy request before making a

1514
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:25,100
decision.

1515
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,100
as part of developing the proposed

1516
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:34,100
process, staff looked at how

1517
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:36,401
neighboring cities support community

1518
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:38,100
events.

1519
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:39,100
and just note these numbers that

1520
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:41,100
you're seeing now were updated from

1521
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:44,100
the original presentation that was

1522
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:46,100
sent out but you do have the most

1523
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:48,100
recent version of the presentations

1524
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:51,100
also available to the public.

1525
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:54,100
hermosa beach currently provides fee

1526
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:57,100
waiver grantees of up to $2,500 per

1527
01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:00,100
event from a 5 thousand dollar fund

1528
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:01,100
pool.

1529
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:05,201
that fund pool is approved annually by

1530
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:07,100
the city council and varies from year

1531
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:08,100
to year.

1532
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,100
those are their smaller ones and it

1533
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:10,100
also provides support through long

1534
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:12,100
term agreements totaling approximately

1535
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:14,100
240 thousand, those are separate

1536
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:15,100
agreements.

1537
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:17,100
the largest one being with the chamber

1538
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:20,100
of commerce to run the fiesta,

1539
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:22,100
the larger events.

1540
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:24,100
redondo beach provides approximately

1541
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:26,100
45 thousand dollars in support for 8

1542
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:29,100
signature events and el segundo

1543
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,100
supports 10 events at approximately

1544
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,100
100 thousand dollars.

1545
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:36,100
both hermosa and el segundo use

1546
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,100
similar criteria to what is being

1547
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:41,100
prosed tonight when evaluating fee

1548
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:42,100
waivers.

1549
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:44,100
each city structures calculates its

1550
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:46,100
support differently.

1551
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:47,100
so these aren't intended to be direct

1552
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:49,100
comparisons but they do provide some

1553
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,401
perspective on different ways

1554
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:54,100
cities support community events and

1555
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:56,100
finally looking at manhattan beach, we

1556
01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:59,100
currently support 12 events and when

1557
01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:02,100
we calculate the city support using

1558
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,401
all those items previously

1559
01:17:06,100 --> 01:17:09,100
mentioned, in 2025, the value was

1560
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:13,100
approximately 717 thousand dollars.

1561
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:17,100
so, that brings us to the first

1562
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:19,100
decision before council tonight, staff

1563
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:21,100
recommend it is city council approve

1564
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:23,100
the standardized process for

1565
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,401
evaluating and administering legacy

1566
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:29,601
special events subsidies and at this

1567
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:33,100
point, I'll stop the presentation,

1568
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:35,100
staff is available to answer questions

1569
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:38,100
regarding the proposed program and

1570
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,100
then following council discussion and

1571
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:41,100
action, I'll resume the presentation

1572
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:44,601
with the north manhattan beach holiday

1573
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:46,100
stroll.

1574
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:48,100
>> okay, thank you.

1575
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:49,100
and councilmember lesser?

1576
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:51,100
>> thank you, linda, I wanted to go

1577
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:54,100
back to the last slide and confirm the

1578
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,100
amount of city subsidies at present.

1579
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:59,100
it's a pretty large number.

1580
01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:03,100
can you show that slide.

1581
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:08,601
the 717 thousand and some change, that

1582
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:11,100
does not include what's also under

1583
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:13,100
consideration that we're about to talk

1584
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:15,100
about that is the additional 10

1585
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:16,100
thousand dollars proposed for the

1586
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:19,100
fireworks as well as the additional 9

1587
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,100
thousand that's requested for the

1588
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:22,100
holiday stroll and the north manhattan

1589
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:23,100
beach?

1590
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:26,100
>> this is the amount of -- for all of

1591
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:28,100
the events that occurred in 2025.

1592
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:31,601
>> in 2025, so in other words as

1593
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:36,100
projected for 2026, this number will

1594
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:37,100
be higher?

1595
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:38,100
>> it will be higher.

1596
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:41,100
>> any rough order of the magnitude of

1597
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:43,100
how much?

1598
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:45,100
>> most of the increase will be due to

1599
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:48,100
the mou salary increases, so if

1600
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:50,100
everything's going up 2.5%, you would

1601
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:53,100
add on, the staffing levels are not

1602
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:54,100
expected to change.

1603
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:57,100
>> I appreciate the criteria that's

1604
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:58,100
being presented for council to

1605
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:00,100
consider as it approaches subsidies

1606
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:02,100
going forward but I'm trying to

1607
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:04,100
understand how that might impact these

1608
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:06,100
costs, these aspens?

1609
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,100
you indicated it's going to be a

1610
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:10,100
policy decision for the council even

1611
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:13,100
after staff goes through applying

1612
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:15,100
these criteria but particularly if

1613
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:18,601
multiple events of these 12 can meet

1614
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:22,100
criteria, I'm wondering how does this

1615
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:23,100
help us?

1616
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:27,201
>> well, it's more to help guide your

1617
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:30,100
decision.

1618
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:34,801
so, if you want to compare two events

1619
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:39,100
where one might be raising funds and

1620
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:43,801
have not as much of a financial need

1621
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:45,100
than another, it's more of a way that

1622
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:48,100
you can kind of see that on paper

1623
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:51,100
where if an event is free and open to

1624
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:54,100
the public and is run by volunteers,

1625
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:55,100
there's likely to be -- they may not

1626
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:59,100
be able to have the event if they're

1627
01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:00,100
not subsidized.

1628
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:03,100
>> I'm sorry, are these criteria used

1629
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:04,100
in other communities?

1630
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:06,100
>> yes.

1631
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:14,100
[inaudible].

1632
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:19,100
the

1633
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:24,100
-- communities want to know can which

1634
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:25,100
events are most accessible to the

1635
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:27,100
community and most valued by the

1636
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:28,100
community.

1637
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:30,100
>> thank you.

1638
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:36,100
>> I think I was next and I had the

1639
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:39,100
same question about that little sub

1640
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:44,100
slide that came up can you give us an

1641
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:47,100
idea of why there's such a disparity

1642
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:50,100
between our neighbors and us.

1643
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,100
sit their policies, did we take a look

1644
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:55,100
at their policy and what they're doing.

1645
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:59,100
I find it hard that redondo beach with

1646
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:02,100
almost two to lee times our population

1647
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,100
and size and harbor and everything

1648
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:08,801
like that is only paying -- it's only

1649
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:11,100
costing them 45 thousand dollars a

1650
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:12,100
year.

1651
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,100
>> well, the majority of the cities

1652
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:18,100
that I looked at only waive indirect

1653
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:21,100
costs and not direct costs.

1654
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,100
so, they charge the events for all of

1655
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:26,100
the city services but if they have --

1656
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:28,100
for example, if you have an event in

1657
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:29,100
hermosa beach and you want to have it

1658
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:33,100
at the pier plaza, you might pay 12-15

1659
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:36,100
thousand dollars a day to have the

1660
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:38,401
event at that location.

1661
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:42,100
that's an indirect cost, so they might

1662
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:43,100
waive the location fee.

1663
01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:46,100
we don't have location fees here in

1664
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:48,100
the city.

1665
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,100
so, these numbers, they're not apples

1666
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,100
to apples.

1667
01:21:52,100 --> 01:21:54,100
if you look at some of the staffing

1668
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:57,601
levels that they've proposed to cover,

1669
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:02,801
we tend to staff more, we also have

1670
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:06,100
some bigger events.

1671
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:08,100
redondo beach has a couple of larger

1672
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:10,100
events but I don't think they staff

1673
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:13,601
them to the levels they could.

1674
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:18,100
and like the highest subsidy for any

1675
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,100
event that redondo beach has listed

1676
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:22,100
that I could find was 10 thousand

1677
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:25,100
dollars and el segundo's events are

1678
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:27,100
pretty small in comparison to some of

1679
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,100
our events.

1680
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:34,100
>> councilmember howorth, thank you.

1681
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:35,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor.

1682
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:40,100
so, this is in no way a comment on we

1683
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:43,100
should or shouldn't support as many as

1684
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:45,100
we do, but I think it would be

1685
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:48,601
important for council to have the

1686
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:51,100
actual numbers of what it costs us,

1687
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:54,100
like -- and even if it's a total, so

1688
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:57,100
maybe it's -- I don't want to pick

1689
01:22:57,100 --> 01:23:01,201
on anybody, like the dog races, I

1690
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:06,100
don't want to say anyone's name out

1691
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:07,100
loud because they're all going to call

1692
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:08,100
me.

1693
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:10,100
if we have the dog races on page 3 of

1694
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:13,100
the staff report under event subsidies

1695
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:16,100
and it said 100%, has doesn't tell me

1696
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:19,100
what's the real budget of that and

1697
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:22,100
then we may see and you could see, oh,

1698
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:26,100
for the dog races, we staff it with,

1699
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,100
you know, 100 police officers and then

1700
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:31,100
we might be able to say, well, why

1701
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:34,601
are we staffing at that level.

1702
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:38,100
I think there's -- I think it's great

1703
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:41,601
to have these criteria, that's a

1704
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:43,100
different discussion but I think we

1705
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:45,100
need have a discussion about what are

1706
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:49,100
the staff levels, is it -- are we

1707
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:52,601
requiring -- are we doing over

1708
01:23:55,100 --> 01:23:56,100
staffing, not according to what prior

1709
01:23:56,100 --> 01:24:00,100
councils have said but let's study it

1710
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:02,100
again and I think that -- I think we

1711
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:05,601
need to see what these different

1712
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:10,201
things cost because -- and I would

1713
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:14,100
support them all.

1714
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:15,100
I'm not trying to cut any of them out,

1715
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:18,100
but I am a little sick of getting

1716
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:20,100
attacked for spending all this money

1717
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:22,100
and yet people keep combining to us

1718
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:25,100
and say, oh, support our event,

1719
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:29,100
support our event, and to find out

1720
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:31,100
that we spend 717 thousand dollars a

1721
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:33,401
year, subsidizing events, probably

1722
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:40,100
money well spent, but I want to know

1723
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:43,100
does it cost this much, does it really

1724
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:44,100
cost this much?

1725
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:45,100
maybe it does.

1726
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:47,100
maybe it costs this much to take out

1727
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:50,100
the trash and maybe it costs that much

1728
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:52,100
to have fire marshall or safety.

1729
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:55,100
but I need the understand that better.

1730
01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:57,100
I'm hoping we'll bring it back.

1731
01:24:57,100 --> 01:25:00,100
I'm still prepared to talk about the

1732
01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:02,100
criteria, I think it's great, but I'm

1733
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:03,100
hoping my other colleagues understand

1734
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:05,100
and support that.

1735
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,100
>> that's it.

1736
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:07,100
>> thank you, and perfect timing for

1737
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:09,100
me because I do agree with

1738
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:10,100
councilmember howorth.

1739
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:14,100
I think we need a little bit more

1740
01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:16,100
detail on these items and I know

1741
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:19,100
that's not what the discussion here

1742
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:23,100
tonight is for and maybe I'll ask the

1743
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:25,100
city manager, is that something we can

1744
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:29,100
vote on as a future agenda item or

1745
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,100
maybe director leyman, is this

1746
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:32,100
something coming back already on its

1747
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:35,100
own because I would like to dive deep

1748
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:37,100
into this and have specific questions

1749
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:40,100
on each event and some history,

1750
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:42,100
background, I want to treat each event

1751
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:46,100
as a staff report and I want to

1752
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:49,601
understand those events that were grand

1753
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:53,100
fathered in, the legacy events, are

1754
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:55,100
they -- do they fit this criteria and

1755
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:57,100
I saw a few of them and a few of them

1756
01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:00,100
might not, maybe the dog races.

1757
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:02,401
again, what's the opportunity?

1758
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:06,100
>> and so if I understand what

1759
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:07,100
council's asking for, it would be

1760
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:09,100
providing a higher level of detail so,

1761
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:11,100
we could integrate that into the

1762
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,100
process.

1763
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:13,100
when we bring back all of the

1764
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:15,100
information from the applicant, we can

1765
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:17,100
provide a high level detail in terms

1766
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:20,100
of the staffing, the justification and

1767
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:22,100
how many -- is that what we're looking

1768
01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:23,100
for?

1769
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:26,100
>> I want to see it overall.

1770
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:30,100
>> I want to see it overall, what the

1771
01:26:30,100 --> 01:26:32,100
level of service is, looking at this,

1772
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:35,100
it's a great presentation but we're --

1773
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:37,100
and it's not -- again, we have to focus

1774
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:40,100
on what tonight's item is, it's

1775
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:42,100
looking at the evaluation process but

1776
01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:44,100
I really would like to see annually

1777
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:48,100
how much each individual will cost and

1778
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:50,100
the servicing level, which ones are

1779
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,100
taking the burden -- and it's probably

1780
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:54,100
that number, the 717, it's probably

1781
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:57,100
close tore a million when you shake it

1782
01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:59,100
out with hard costs, soft costs and

1783
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:01,100
some of the stuff that gets done so

1784
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:04,100
I'm just curious if that's combining

1785
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:05,100
back because this is the right time

1786
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:09,100
the look at it, it's the end of summer

1787
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:10,100
but that's my thought.

1788
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:12,100
>> that information will be brought

1789
01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:15,100
back, all of those financials, we have

1790
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:18,100
the track record for all the legacy

1791
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:21,100
events over many years, my question is

1792
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:23,100
what level of detail and how would you

1793
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:27,801
like to see that, other that than the

1794
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:30,100
numbers itself, would you like to see

1795
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,100
a line item, this is how many staff,

1796
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:32,100
this is when their shifts are to

1797
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,100
support this event?

1798
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:36,100
>> that's a really good question.

1799
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:38,100
I think you bring back as much

1800
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,100
information as you feel necessary.

1801
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:41,100
I don't want to leave it broad, I

1802
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:44,100
don't know if we need every single

1803
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:47,100
line item detailed but maybe police,

1804
01:27:47,100 --> 01:27:50,100
fire, public works, the refuse,

1805
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:53,100
barricades, sometimes you see the big

1806
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:55,100
barricades and sometimes the arm

1807
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:56,100
barricades.

1808
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:59,100
>> for us to look at it, not just on

1809
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:01,100
an annual basis but to have our

1810
01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:03,100
opportunity to get our fingerprints as

1811
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:05,100
this council to see which ones still

1812
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:08,100
work, maybe which don't work, at what

1813
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:12,201
level should they be because that is

1814
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:17,100
sticker shock, 700 thousand, these are

1815
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:20,100
big time events, especially little

1816
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:22,100
league opening parade.

1817
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:24,100
>> I said dog races.

1818
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:27,100
>> but more importantly, it givers us

1819
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:29,100
an opportunity to really be

1820
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:31,100
responsible in the sense of the

1821
01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:33,100
spending and where we should be.

1822
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,100
>> and the community.

1823
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:41,100
what the community needs to know, yeah.

1824
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:42,100
>> that's it.

1825
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,100
>> sorry.

1826
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:47,100
>> that's okay, it's a good tag team.

1827
01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:48,100
>> are you both finished?

1828
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:50,100
>> thank you, mayor.

1829
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:55,100
>> mayor pro tem tarnay?

1830
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:57,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor, just to help

1831
01:28:57,100 --> 01:28:59,100
me understand what you're asking for

1832
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:02,100
here, we're just approving a

1833
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:06,100
process that gets us to the evaluation

1834
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:09,100
level, this is step one,

1835
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:12,100
organizers, once we establish the

1836
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:13,100
process, that's where we have this

1837
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,100
orange sheet that has the flowchart of

1838
01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:19,801
what the next steps are, so we --

1839
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:22,100
theoretically we'll be seeing

1840
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:24,100
everything broken down per event so we

1841
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:26,100
can evaluate as we go forward so that

1842
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:29,100
for transparency sake, we know how

1843
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:33,201
much things cost and, linda, I sat

1844
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:37,100
down with linda and I appreciated the

1845
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,100
process, it's going to be an item

1846
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:41,100
that's going to be -- we're going to

1847
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:43,100
be considering shortly but that's what

1848
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:45,100
was presented in our meeting was just

1849
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:47,100
the breakdown of the actual cost of

1850
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:50,601
the barricades, the cost of staffing

1851
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:54,100
and it really opened up my eyes to

1852
01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:58,801
what goes into an event and how the

1853
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:02,100
labor costs are calculated so that

1854
01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:05,100
there is a direct nexus between what's

1855
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:07,100
being charged by the city, subsidized

1856
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:09,100
by the city and the actual cost to the

1857
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:12,601
city to pay for those internally.

1858
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:16,100
so, if that's my understanding, we're

1859
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:19,100
just approving not of what projects

1860
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:23,100
are going por ward but the process to

1861
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:25,100
identify what projects we want to

1862
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:29,100
subsidize and how much and so that we

1863
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:31,100
have kind of numbers, transparent

1864
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:32,100
numbers going forward?

1865
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:33,100
>> that is correct.

1866
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:34,100
>> okay, thank you.

1867
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:36,100
>> okay.

1868
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:39,100
and I wanted to look at like when I

1869
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:41,100
saw the little league opening day

1870
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:45,100
parade and back in the dinosaurs when

1871
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:48,100
my kids played baseball, it was a big

1872
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:49,100
deal.

1873
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:50,100
they closed down the street and things

1874
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:54,100
like that and it's kind of petered

1875
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:57,100
away, but I would like to see if it's

1876
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:59,100
relevant, what is the participation

1877
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:02,100
rate or numbers as we go along.

1878
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:05,100
are they falling off, are they

1879
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,100
increasing?

1880
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,100
are they staying the same?

1881
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:09,100
>> well, in particular with the little

1882
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:11,100
league parade and that's hard to say

1883
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:13,100
right now because it didn't happen for

1884
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:16,100
many years and it just came back this

1885
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:17,100
year.

1886
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:20,100
so, it's sort of -- we sort of have to

1887
01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:22,100
start now, my understanding is that

1888
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:25,100
enrollment in little league is down

1889
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:28,100
from many years ago, up from recent

1890
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:30,100
years but down from when we had the

1891
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:32,100
parade in the past I think.

1892
01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:36,100
so, that is something we would need to

1893
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:37,100
start tracking from now.

1894
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:38,100
>> okay.

1895
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:42,801
and then I'm calling this a spill over

1896
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:47,100
event, like other events that are --

1897
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:50,100
gosh, we really do a lot here, don't

1898
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:51,100
we.

1899
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:54,100
like the santa sleigh, we

1900
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:57,100
do provide the police escort and

1901
01:31:57,100 --> 01:31:59,100
things like that, do they pay us back

1902
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:01,100
for that, is that something we're

1903
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:02,100
providing?

1904
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:03,100
>> that is not --

1905
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:05,100
>> is it worthy of looking at since it

1906
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:06,100
is an expense.

1907
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:07,100
>> that is a very good question.

1908
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:09,100
I would have to find that answer for

1909
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:10,100
you.

1910
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:12,100
that has never gone through the

1911
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:14,100
special event process.

1912
01:32:16,100 --> 01:32:19,601
>> I'm not killing off santa sleigh.

1913
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:25,100
>> then I put down things like the

1914
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:28,100
pumpkin race, that's a great event,

1915
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:32,100
does that come out of the parses and

1916
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:33,100
rec budget?

1917
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:35,100
>> yes, the pumpkin race is a city

1918
01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:38,100
event, that is funded out of the

1919
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:39,100
general fund, but thank you for

1920
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:42,100
mentioning that because I'm going to

1921
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:43,100
throw this in.

1922
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:47,201
starting with this next -- if you

1923
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:53,100
approve this program, the [inaudible]

1924
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:56,100
one that is on the same day as the

1925
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:58,100
pumpkin race and the holiday open

1926
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:01,100
house that happens in conjunction with

1927
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:03,100
the pier lighting has nver been

1928
01:33:03,100 --> 01:33:05,100
considered outside special events so we

1929
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:08,100
haven't really tracked those expenses

1930
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:13,100
and the support that goes into those

1931
01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:16,100
events has been absorbed by the city

1932
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:18,100
for the most part, so starting with

1933
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:21,100
this next one, we will treat those two

1934
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:24,100
events as special events as well, we

1935
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:26,100
will be requesting legacy status for

1936
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:28,100
them just to let you know but that's

1937
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:30,100
not tonight.

1938
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:37,100
but those will come into the picture.

1939
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:38,100
>> and then is there anything else we

1940
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:39,100
can do?

1941
01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:41,100
because I knower all these

1942
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:43,100
organizations are going to say, yeah,

1943
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:45,100
but we do such a great thing and they

1944
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:48,100
do and we bring people to the city.

1945
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,100
they're eating at the restaurant and

1946
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:52,100
is staying in the hotels and doing all

1947
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:53,100
these things.

1948
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:56,100
should we sort of do an economic

1949
01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:59,100
impact, kind of touch an economic

1950
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:02,100
impact of these events so that would

1951
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:05,100
be an offset to -- is that necessary,

1952
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:09,201
you think, for us to evaluate, counter

1953
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:13,100
the expense, as we're going to get tot

1954
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:15,100
going up and things.

1955
01:34:15,100 --> 01:34:18,100
>> we can work with our chamber of

1956
01:34:18,100 --> 01:34:21,601
commerce who manages our placer ai

1957
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:25,100
contract to see if for some of these

1958
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:27,100
events they're able to get us any

1959
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:30,601
information on the number of visitors

1960
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:36,100
historically to get an idea of what

1961
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:38,100
that would look like, that's what I

1962
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:39,100
can think of off the top of my head.

1963
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:40,100
>> okay.

1964
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:41,100
alright, great.

1965
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:43,100
councilmember lesser?

1966
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:49,100
>> I think mayor pro tem tarnay has it

1967
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:50,100
first.

1968
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:51,100
>> thank you.

1969
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:54,100
>> I wanted to clarify, are we looking

1970
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:56,100
for approval at this level, or are we

1971
01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:59,100
going to lump everything together and

1972
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:01,100
ask council for

1973
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:03,100
>> the council

1974
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:04,100
wants to bifurcate all the decisions,

1975
01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:06,100
then you have to open for a public

1976
01:35:06,100 --> 01:35:08,100
comment each time and then deliberate

1977
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:10,100
and make a decision and then we can move

1978
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:12,100
on to the next topic, otherwise we can

1979
01:35:12,100 --> 01:35:15,100
move on from questions, present the

1980
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:17,100
remainder of the items, go the

1981
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:20,100
questions again and then do an all

1982
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:21,100
inclusive public comment at the end,

1983
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:24,601
so it's to the council's discretion.

1984
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:27,100
>> I personally think bifurcating it

1985
01:35:27,100 --> 01:35:31,801
might be easier so we can keep things

1986
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:36,100
clearer.

1987
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:39,100
>> can we see if there's consensus?

1988
01:35:39,100 --> 01:35:40,100
>> that's what I'm asking.

1989
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:43,601
>> is there a consensus amongst us?

1990
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:45,100
>> that's what I mean.

1991
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:48,100
>> when you say bifurcate, you're

1992
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:49,100
talking about can --

1993
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:51,100
>> no, just the process, right now

1994
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:53,100
it's to approve the standardized

1995
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:55,401
process for evaluating and

1996
01:35:58,100 --> 01:35:59,100
administering legacy events before we

1997
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:03,100
move on to -- the next item is like

1998
01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:04,100
the holiday event.

1999
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:06,100
>> yeah, let's do that.

2000
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:09,100
>> so, I really wanted to provide more

2001
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:10,100
direction because that was the

2002
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:12,100
question by the director even though

2003
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:13,100
we haven't heard from the public yet

2004
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:17,801
on this item which we're going to be

2005
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:20,100
bifurcating.

2006
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:23,100
having the printout on the staff

2007
01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:25,100
report, on the estimated, the actual

2008
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:26,100
costs was helpful because it shows we

2009
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:29,100
can come up with these estimates

2010
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,100
but often they underestimate what the

2011
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:33,100
costs are, so I think part of this

2012
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:34,100
process going forward should include

2013
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:36,100
the estimate and then just for

2014
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:39,601
reference at least the past year

2015
01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:44,100
showed what the estimate was and what

2016
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:47,100
the actual was because there's

2017
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,100
considerable difference.

2018
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:51,100
it may or may not be relevant, I'm

2019
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:54,100
thinking out loud, some of these

2020
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:55,100
events have sponsors because the

2021
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:58,100
actual full costs of some of these

2022
01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:59,100
larger events are much higher than the

2023
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:02,100
amounts that are shown here but yet

2024
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:05,100
sponsors pick up a portion of those

2025
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,100
costs.

2026
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:07,100
how relevant is that as we look at

2027
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:10,100
what our city's costs are to support

2028
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:14,100
it, is that relevant, or is that a

2029
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:15,100
separate issue?

2030
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:18,100
I just throw that out there.

2031
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:21,100
but I support what mayor tarnay is

2032
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:23,100
suggesting, we can bifurcate, once we

2033
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:25,100
hear from public comment.

2034
01:37:25,100 --> 01:37:28,100
>> okay, so we'll open up for public

2035
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:30,401
comments in the chamber.

2036
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:38,100
>> stefan kampe here once again, great

2037
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:41,100
topic and I appreciate how it was

2038
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:42,100
presented, I thought it was great

2039
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:43,100
material and presentation there.

2040
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:47,100
one thing as I looked at it and I

2041
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:49,100
pre-read it, I thought about why are we

2042
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:52,100
doing this and how does it fit in and

2043
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:54,100
what's the right budget, I think it'

2044
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:56,100
good for the city council to take a

2045
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:57,100
top down view.

2046
01:37:57,100 --> 01:38:00,100
if we spent 717 and our total

2047
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:02,100
expenditure last year was 101 million

2048
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:05,100
as a city last year, that's 7% of our

2049
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:06,100
budget.

2050
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:09,100
I think our residents love these events

2051
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:12,100
and it makes our community great.

2052
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:13,100
what' a reasonable budget?

2053
01:38:13,100 --> 01:38:16,100
.7 sounds good there, maybe 1%, it

2054
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:18,100
givers you as a city council have a

2055
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:21,100
budget in mind as you go into it.

2056
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:25,100
and I think -- I really like this, the

2057
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:28,100
question on how does this help us.

2058
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:29,100
I think this givers you fact based

2059
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:31,100
novembers make a decision on how to

2060
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:32,100
allocate the funds.

2061
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:34,100
what I've seen sometimes in city

2062
01:38:34,100 --> 01:38:38,201
council over the past x number of

2063
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:41,100
years, sometimes I seems there's

2064
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:42,100
emotional digs being made on dais, if

2065
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:43,100
you have this information, it takes

2066
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:46,100
some of that emotion out, givers you

2067
01:38:46,100 --> 01:38:48,100
fact based information on how to go

2068
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:50,100
forward, I think the process is good,

2069
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:53,100
I think the criteria is good, I would

2070
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:56,100
love to see more of the criteria as it

2071
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:58,100
goes into, I would endorse this.

2072
01:38:58,100 --> 01:39:00,100
I think it's a great idea.

2073
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:02,100
>> thank you.

2074
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:09,100
>> jill lamkin, chambers of commerce,

2075
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:10,100
good evening, everyone.

2076
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:11,100
I wanted to talk about the general

2077
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:14,100
process and I totally agree with you,

2078
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:17,100
nina, it was eye opening when we sat

2079
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:19,100
down with talyn and libby and went

2080
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:21,100
through those specific costs but I do

2081
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:23,100
want you to know they can run that

2082
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,100
report.

2083
01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:27,100
for the firework, it was like 240

2084
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:31,100
thousand with the city expenses, so --

2085
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:33,100
and then joe, -- mayor, I wanted to

2086
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:36,100
answer your question, I'm sorry, about

2087
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:38,100
the economic development piece of it.

2088
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:41,601
I can certainly poll the information

2089
01:39:45,100 --> 01:39:46,100
from placer ai with you that givers me

2090
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:47,100
data on attendance and demographics

2091
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:49,100
but not economic impact, so it doesn't

2092
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:51,100
tell me how much they spend anywhere

2093
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:53,100
or what they're doing during their

2094
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:54,100
time that they're here.

2095
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:56,100
I just know who they are and where

2096
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:59,100
they're from and how long they stay

2097
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:00,100
here.

2098
01:40:00,100 --> 01:40:02,100
I hope that helps with what you're

2099
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:03,100
asking.

2100
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,100
>> and how much they spent when they

2101
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:05,100
stayed here?

2102
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:07,100
>> we have no way to track that

2103
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:08,100
information, no.

2104
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:10,100
>> thank you.

2105
01:40:17,100 --> 01:40:20,601
>> tim ryan, president of the north

2106
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:22,100
manhattan beach association and going

2107
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:26,801
to be on one of the agenda items.

2108
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:29,100
going through, I am in support of

2109
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:32,601
having a structure in place because

2110
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:36,100
not having that is difficult in

2111
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:37,100
planning.

2112
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:38,100
there's couple of things I noticed on

2113
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:40,100
the plan that I would put into

2114
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:43,100
consideration and it goes with

2115
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:47,601
councilmember lesser is that having a

2116
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:51,100
budget set particularly for us which

2117
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:55,801
would be an entire year in advance of

2118
01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:00,100
our event is unrealistic to say, hey,

2119
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:03,100
it cannot exceed and for any event,

2120
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:06,100
things can come up within a few weeks

2121
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:09,100
that may need additional polices

2122
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:12,100
support, safety, what have you that

2123
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:15,100
comes in that having a hard amount

2124
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:18,601
makes it very difficult for the

2125
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:22,100
planners, parks and rec to say, well,

2126
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:24,100
where are we going to come up with

2127
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:26,100
this money if the city is going to

2128
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:29,100
cover it but we have a hard sealing.

2129
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:33,100
breaking it down, I mean, I'm shocked

2130
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:37,201
at 717, I mean, our budget and things

2131
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:40,100
way small, so it's hard to see where

2132
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:42,100
everything's coming but breaking it

2133
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:44,100
down by what the expenses are because

2134
01:41:44,100 --> 01:41:46,100
I know it's difficult, when we got

2135
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:50,100
this is the estimate from the city

2136
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:53,601
where it's fees related to parking

2137
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:57,100
fees and as opposed to what are the

2138
01:41:57,100 --> 01:42:01,201
real hard costs that our event is

2139
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:07,100
going to occur, these are the

2140
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:08,100
personnel, these are the hours as

2141
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:09,100
opposed to those costs that it's not

2142
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:10,100
necessarily money that the city has

2143
01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:12,100
made or lost, it is just did a car

2144
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,100
park there, would it have parked there

2145
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:17,100
during that time anyways or not.

2146
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:19,100
and seeing where does that value and

2147
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:21,100
see how that compares to the other

2148
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:22,100
cities.

2149
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:23,100
thank you.

2150
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,100
>> thank you.

2151
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,401
anybody else in chambers?

2152
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:32,100
no?

2153
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:33,100
online?

2154
01:42:33,100 --> 01:42:34,100
>> no requests on zoom.

2155
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:36,100
>> okay.

2156
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:41,201
so, we will close public comment and

2157
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:45,100
councilmembers, hold on, just give me

2158
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:47,100
a second here.

2159
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:52,100
anybody ready to make some comments?

2160
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:54,100
councilmember lesser?

2161
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:58,401
>> I see a motion.

2162
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:01,100
would you like to go first,

2163
01:43:01,100 --> 01:43:02,100
councilmember tarnay?

2164
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:06,100
>> I can make my motion, I have a

2165
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:08,100
motion to approve a standardized

2166
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:10,401
process for evaluating and

2167
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:13,100
administering legacy special event

2168
01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:14,100
subsidies.

2169
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,100
>> for my comment, I will be

2170
01:43:16,100 --> 01:43:17,100
supporting this motion, I appreciate

2171
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:20,100
staff coming up with these criteria

2172
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:23,100
but I think the total amount that our

2173
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:24,100
city spends is something we need to

2174
01:43:24,100 --> 01:43:26,100
look at.

2175
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:30,201
it was numbing when I reach nodded

2176
01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:32,100
out because it was not directly stated

2177
01:43:32,100 --> 01:43:34,100
in the staff report to better

2178
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:36,100
understand the totality of what all of

2179
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:37,100
these costs are to our city.

2180
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:41,100
I think this council wants to continue

2181
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:42,100
to have these events, they're

2182
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:44,100
important to our commune, our

2183
01:43:44,100 --> 01:43:45,100
community members and our businesses

2184
01:43:45,100 --> 01:43:48,100
but we need to figure out a way that

2185
01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:49,100
is economically responsible.

2186
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:51,100
I think one other factor that was

2187
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:54,601
important to me, without taking away

2188
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:57,100
from public safety, are there any

2189
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:59,100
opportunities the for reducing any of

2190
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:02,100
the additional costs that the city

2191
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:03,100
provides?

2192
01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:05,100
that would be another question I would

2193
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:06,100
have obviously more sponsorships,

2194
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:08,100
that's going to be a simple sort of

2195
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:09,100
comment.

2196
01:44:09,100 --> 01:44:10,100
is there something more we should be

2197
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:13,100
thinking about given how much more we

2198
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:16,100
spend as a city on our special events

2199
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:18,100
than other cities?

2200
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:25,100
>> mayor pro tem, did you want to --

2201
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:27,100
>> I spoke already.

2202
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:28,100
>> you spoke, okay.

2203
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:30,100
so, councilmember howorth?

2204
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:31,100
>> okay, mr. Mayor.

2205
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:32,100
>> I'll wait.

2206
01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:34,100
>> okay.

2207
01:44:34,100 --> 01:44:36,100
such a gentleman.

2208
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:41,100
>> I'll be supporting the process, I

2209
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:43,100
appreciate the criteria and the

2210
01:44:43,100 --> 01:44:46,100
cringing, I think that's really

2211
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:50,100
important.

2212
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:51,100
and it is fair because then everybody

2213
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:54,100
get it is same sort of process or

2214
01:44:54,100 --> 01:44:55,100
waiting.

2215
01:44:55,100 --> 01:44:57,100
but I do think it's important for us

2216
01:44:57,100 --> 01:45:00,100
as a city to be just really

2217
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:04,801
transparent and not so we can say no,

2218
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:08,100
you know, I don't think we would be

2219
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:11,100
saying no but the public needs to

2220
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:13,100
understand, again, it's appreciating

2221
01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:17,100
all that, you know, we do to make this

2222
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:21,100
so much fun and so great but upswing

2223
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:23,100
what it truly costs is really

2224
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:24,100
important.

2225
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:26,100
the transparency is hugely important

2226
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:30,100
and I would include even though I know

2227
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:32,100
that these -- I understand the

2228
01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:35,100
difference between a city event like

2229
01:45:35,100 --> 01:45:36,100
the pumpkin races, although that

2230
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:39,100
wasn't always a city event, right,

2231
01:45:39,100 --> 01:45:41,100
that was something else, I think we

2232
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:44,100
should talk about things like that and

2233
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:48,100
the santa float, again, just so we can

2234
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:50,100
say because sometimes -- it's not just

2235
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:53,100
police and fire and public works, it's

2236
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:56,100
parks and rec, it's all these

2237
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:58,100
different staff members, so, you know,

2238
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:02,201
again, I want our public to understand

2239
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:08,100
what we're providing, and I also echo

2240
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:10,100
what councilmember lesser said,

2241
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:14,100
perhaps we could look at our staffing

2242
01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:16,100
requirements and again it may have to

2243
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:17,100
be event by event.

2244
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:22,100
that you may not be able to come up

2245
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:24,100
with a chart or graph, it may have to

2246
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:26,100
go by event but I think we maybe need

2247
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:28,401
to look at that.

2248
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:35,100
>> I also am going to support this

2249
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:37,100
because it's really important for

2250
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:39,100
these events but then future events

2251
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:42,100
because some of us have been

2252
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:45,601
approached by residents and go, I'm

2253
01:46:46,100 --> 01:46:47,100
passionate about this, if we could go

2254
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:50,100
ahead and take over polliwog park for

2255
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:55,100
a day or once a year type of thing or

2256
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:58,100
down at the beach or anything like

2257
01:46:58,100 --> 01:47:02,100
that, but this will give them a guide,

2258
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:05,100
a road map to get their thoughts

2259
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:08,100
together and get their sponsorships

2260
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:09,100
together.

2261
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:12,100
I would almost like to see a separate

2262
01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:14,100
column for sponsorships, to see -- if

2263
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:16,100
not the actual sponsor but how much

2264
01:47:16,100 --> 01:47:20,201
are they bringing to the table with

2265
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:24,100
deferring the cost through the

2266
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:25,100
sponsorship.

2267
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:28,100
I had originally asked -- to ask them

2268
01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:31,100
for information about their own

2269
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:34,100
fundraising but people like to keep

2270
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:35,100
that proprietary and I can understand

2271
01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:39,801
that but it's important so that we can

2272
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:42,100
-- staff, you're going to be bringing

2273
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:45,100
in this much so this is your ask from

2274
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:47,100
the city, in the city, we're going

2275
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:49,100
to be singing the police department,

2276
01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:51,100
fire department, parks and rec staff,

2277
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:53,100
that kind of thing so we can kind of

2278
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:57,201
do some overall planning so I think

2279
01:47:58,100 --> 01:48:00,100
it's a great start and looking forward

2280
01:48:00,100 --> 01:48:02,100
to be involver with it.

2281
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:04,100
we do have a motion to accept from

2282
01:48:04,100 --> 01:48:07,100
mayor pro tem tarnay and seconded by

2283
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:09,100
councilmember charelian.

2284
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:14,100
so, if you want to read your --

2285
01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:17,100
>> I thought I did already.

2286
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:20,100
my motion is to approve the

2287
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,100
standardized process for evaluating

2288
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:25,100
and administering legacy special event

2289
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:26,100
subsidies.

2290
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:29,100
>> okay, call for the vote.

2291
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:34,100
>> motion passes 5-0.

2292
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:38,100
>> okay.

2293
01:48:38,100 --> 01:48:40,100
so, moving on the section l, city

2294
01:48:40,100 --> 01:48:41,100
council requests and the --

2295
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:43,100
>> no.

2296
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:45,100
>> oh, I'm sorry.

2297
01:48:47,100 --> 01:48:50,100
we got more, I'm sorry.

2298
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:54,100
I have a record I'm trying to

2299
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:55,100
establish here.

2300
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:56,100
so, the second part.

2301
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:57,100
>> I'll get to my -- okay.

2302
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:59,100
thank you.

2303
01:49:02,100 --> 01:49:05,100
I'll now move on to the second item,

2304
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:07,100
the north manhattan beach holiday

2305
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:08,100
stroll.

2306
01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:09,100
this slide provides some important

2307
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:11,100
context regarding how the city's

2308
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:14,100
support for this event that changed

2309
01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:17,100
with the highland avenue closure.

2310
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:19,100
in 2024, before the street closure,

2311
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:22,100
the value of the city support was

2312
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:24,100
approximately $5,700.

2313
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:27,100
in 2025, with the pilot street closure

2314
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:29,100
that increased to approximately 57

2315
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:31,100
thousand 700 dollars including city

2316
01:49:31,100 --> 01:49:33,100
services and third party expenses.

2317
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:35,100
for the 2026 event, the estimated oat

2318
01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:38,100
is 75 thousand, the increase is

2319
01:49:38,100 --> 01:49:40,401
primarily associated with the

2320
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:43,100
resources necessary to support the

2321
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:44,100
street closure and not necessarily an

2322
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:47,601
increase in staffing but more salary

2323
01:49:49,100 --> 01:49:51,100
increases.

2324
01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:55,100
okay, I am -- I somehow managed to

2325
01:49:55,100 --> 01:49:56,100
delete a slide accidentally, so what

2326
01:49:56,100 --> 01:50:00,100
I'm going to talk about does not

2327
01:50:00,100 --> 01:50:01,100
directly relate to this slide.

2328
01:50:01,100 --> 01:50:04,601
last year council approved the closure

2329
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:06,100
of highland avenue as a pilot for the

2330
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:09,601
holiday stroll and the pilot was

2331
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:12,100
successful.

2332
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:13,100
the chamber is requesting that the

2333
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:15,100
closure continue as part of the annual

2334
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:16,100
event.

2335
01:50:16,100 --> 01:50:19,100
because the closure was originally

2336
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:22,100
approved as a pilot, the additional

2337
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:24,100
costs associated with the closure were

2338
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:26,100
not incorporated into the fiscal year

2339
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:28,100
2027 budget.

2340
01:50:28,100 --> 01:50:29,100
staff's requesting an additional

2341
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:31,100
appropriation of 9 thousand dollars to

2342
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:34,100
cover unbudgeted third party costs for

2343
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:37,100
the 2026 event, beginning with the

2344
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:39,100
next subsidy cycle, now using the

2345
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:42,601
new program, new process, the holiday

2346
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:45,100
stroll will be evaluated through the

2347
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:47,100
standardized ro kress we just

2348
01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:49,100
discussed allowing any approved

2349
01:50:49,100 --> 01:50:51,100
subsidy to be incorporated into the

2350
01:50:51,100 --> 01:50:53,100
regular budget.

2351
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:56,100
I have gone too far.

2352
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:00,100
okay.

2353
01:51:00,100 --> 01:51:02,100
staff has identified four options for

2354
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:04,100
council consideration, option 1 could

2355
01:51:04,100 --> 01:51:06,100
approve the road closure and

2356
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:08,100
appropriate 9 thousand dollars for the

2357
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:09,100
unbudgeted third party costs with the

2358
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:12,601
city paying all city services and

2359
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:15,100
third party expenses.

2360
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:18,100
option 2 would approve the road

2361
01:51:19,100 --> 01:51:21,100
closure and appropriate 9 thousand

2362
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:24,100
dollars for unbruised third party

2363
01:51:24,100 --> 01:51:26,100
costs but would require the north

2364
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:28,100
manhattan beach bid to pay third

2365
01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:31,100
party costs up to 12 thousand 500

2366
01:51:31,100 --> 01:51:32,100
dollars.

2367
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:34,100
option 3 would approve the road

2368
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:36,100
closure with no city subsidy by making

2369
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:38,100
the north manhattan beach bid

2370
01:51:38,100 --> 01:51:40,100
responsible for all city services and

2371
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:41,100
third party expenses.

2372
01:51:41,100 --> 01:51:44,100
and option 4 would not approve the

2373
01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:47,100
road closure in which case no

2374
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:48,100
additional appropriations would be

2375
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:49,100
necessary.

2376
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:50,100
the decision before council is

2377
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:52,100
therefore both whether the highland

2378
01:51:52,100 --> 01:51:53,100
avenue closure should continue and

2379
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:56,100
what level of city subsidy should

2380
01:51:56,100 --> 01:51:57,100
accompany that closure.

2381
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:59,100
staff is available for questions and

2382
01:51:59,100 --> 01:52:01,100
we're requesting council direction

2383
01:52:01,100 --> 01:52:02,100
regarding both continuation of the

2384
01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:05,100
highland avenue closure and the

2385
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:11,100
appropriation subsidy for

2386
01:52:13,100 --> 01:52:15,100
the 2026 event.

2387
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:16,100
>> council member?

2388
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:19,100
>> thank you, mayor, in option 2, it

2389
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:21,100
says approve the road closure and

2390
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:23,401
appropriate 9 thousand dollars for

2391
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:27,100
unbudgeted third party cost asks then

2392
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:30,100
it says third party costs up to 12

2393
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:32,100
thousand 500 dollars to be paid by the

2394
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:34,100
north manhattan bid but the third

2395
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:37,100
party costs projected for 2026 is 12

2396
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:41,100
thousand 500 dollars.

2397
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:43,100
so, why is there the 9 thousand and

2398
01:52:43,100 --> 01:52:44,100
the 12 thousand 500?

2399
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:46,100
>> that's a great question.

2400
01:52:46,100 --> 01:52:49,100
3500 is already included in our budget

2401
01:52:49,100 --> 01:52:52,100
for third party costs so we would need

2402
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:54,100
9 thousand more to cover the 12

2403
01:52:54,100 --> 01:52:57,100
thousand 500 so, that was the request

2404
01:52:57,100 --> 01:53:01,201
for the appropriation, but in the end

2405
01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:05,100
we would bill the bid back for the

2406
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:07,100
entire cost of the --

2407
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:10,601
>> so, it's a little confusing there.

2408
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:15,201
so, option 2 is the bid is on

2409
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:22,100
the hook for 12 thousand 500, the

2410
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:25,601
third party cost and we're approving

2411
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:29,100
the road closure, it's not the third

2412
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:32,100
party cost that we've bunged but it's

2413
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:34,100
a cost for staff that's represented.

2414
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:37,100
>> in that larger number, yes.

2415
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:43,100
>> okay, do we have -- do we know if more

2416
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:47,100
people attended when the street versus

2417
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:50,100
closed versus when the street was

2418
01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:51,100
closed?

2419
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:54,100
>> I would recommend asking our

2420
01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:56,100
representatives.

2421
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:59,100
>> if I may have jill lamkin, ms.

2422
01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:02,601
lamkin from the chamber and north

2423
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:06,100
business, I do have questions, did

2424
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:09,601
more people attend in 2025 with the

2425
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:12,100
street closure versus 2024?

2426
01:54:12,100 --> 01:54:14,100
>> good evening, jill lamkin, chamber

2427
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:16,100
of commerce and representing north

2428
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:18,401
manhattan beach as well.

2429
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:22,100
yes, 2024, there were 2.2 thousand

2430
01:54:22,100 --> 01:54:25,100
visitors and they stayed for an

2431
01:54:25,100 --> 01:54:28,100
average of 111 minutes and 2025, there

2432
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:33,100
were 3.5 thousand visitors and they

2433
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:36,100
stayed for an average of 122 minutes

2434
01:54:36,100 --> 01:54:39,100
so, we had 1300 more people and they

2435
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:41,100
stayed for longer so that is obviously

2436
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:43,401
important for the business.

2437
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:48,601
>> when the mayor asked earlier, does

2438
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,100
this increase revenue, anecdotally, I

2439
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:54,100
have to believe there was a big

2440
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:55,100
increase in revenue because people

2441
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:58,100
were going to the restaurants and --

2442
01:54:58,100 --> 01:55:00,100
>> absolutely, this is the one

2443
01:55:00,100 --> 01:55:02,100
community event they have, so this is

2444
01:55:02,100 --> 01:55:04,100
a big deal for them.

2445
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:06,100
>> so, how many --

2446
01:55:06,100 --> 01:55:07,100
>> that's the only time the street

2447
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:08,100
gets closed.

2448
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:11,100
it is the only time it's ever been

2449
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:13,100
closed for that event was the one time.

2450
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:15,100
>> alright, thank you very much.

2451
01:55:15,100 --> 01:55:17,100
>> yes.

2452
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:19,100
>> I'll come back I'm sure.

2453
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:22,100
>> jill, will you stay, please.

2454
01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:25,401
>> that didn't take long.

2455
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:28,100
>> I didn't want her to go up.

2456
01:55:28,100 --> 01:55:31,100
>> I was going to suggest she join us

2457
01:55:31,100 --> 01:55:32,100
on the dais.

2458
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:33,100
so, mayor pro tem?

2459
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:35,401
>> thank you, mr. Mayor.

2460
01:55:36,100 --> 01:55:41,100
I know that with the ai date, that we

2461
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:42,100
can see where the visitors are coming

2462
01:55:42,100 --> 01:55:46,100
from and so can you share with us that

2463
01:55:46,100 --> 01:55:47,100
demographic?

2464
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:49,100
are they local, are they visitors?

2465
01:55:49,100 --> 01:55:51,100
>> when I go sit down the next time, I

2466
01:55:51,100 --> 01:55:54,100
will pull up the exact percentage, the

2467
01:55:54,100 --> 01:55:56,100
vast majority is local, they're almost

2468
01:55:56,100 --> 01:56:00,801
all neighborhood so it's not a lot of

2469
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:06,601
driving that's happening, it's al all

2470
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:08,100
neighbors.

2471
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:09,100
when I go back and sit down, I'll look

2472
01:56:09,100 --> 01:56:10,100
that up for you.

2473
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:13,100
>> as a representative for the north

2474
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:15,100
end, were there complaints about the

2475
01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:17,100
event or were there any issues with

2476
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:19,100
event at all?

2477
01:56:19,100 --> 01:56:23,100
>> we had one issue very early on,

2478
01:56:23,100 --> 01:56:25,401
lieutenant benjamin and I

2479
01:56:26,100 --> 01:56:27,100
discussed it because there were so

2480
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:30,100
many people walking from the el porto

2481
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:33,100
side down to where the street was

2482
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:35,100
closed that there were people having a

2483
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:38,100
hard time turning right on rosecrans,

2484
01:56:38,100 --> 01:56:40,100
so she had someone go down and change

2485
01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:43,100
the timing of the lights and that was

2486
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:46,100
the biggest issue we had was just too

2487
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:47,100
many pedestrians which is a pretty

2488
01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:49,100
good problem to have.

2489
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:50,100
>> thank you.

2490
01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:54,100
>> I don't know if this is for you or

2491
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:55,100
for linda, thereafter slide that

2492
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:57,100
showed the difference between the

2493
01:56:57,100 --> 01:57:00,100
previous year and then this past year

2494
01:57:00,100 --> 01:57:02,401
with the road closure.

2495
01:57:07,100 --> 01:57:08,100
>> I have a question about that one

2496
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:09,100
too.

2497
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:12,100
>> so, the increase with the --

2498
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:15,601
because I know the 2025 number, it

2499
01:57:16,100 --> 01:57:20,100
says with street closure but it wasn't

2500
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:23,100
-- no, I'm sorry, I'm looking at 2024,

2501
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:26,601
with no street closure, so 2025, we

2502
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:30,100
had 45 thousand and then with 2026,

2503
01:57:33,100 --> 01:57:35,401
we're expecting 14 thousand dollar

2504
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:38,100
jump in the budget for that.

2505
01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:42,100
can you share with us what accounts

2506
01:57:42,100 --> 01:57:43,100
for that increase?

2507
01:57:43,100 --> 01:57:46,100
>> that is changing the fully burdened

2508
01:57:46,100 --> 01:57:48,100
rate to the current fully burdened

2509
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:49,100
rate from the previous one.

2510
01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:51,100
>> okay.

2511
01:57:55,100 --> 01:57:57,100
>> there's no -- there may have been

2512
01:57:57,100 --> 01:58:00,601
one officer added to the previous

2513
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:04,100
year, for the most it is salary

2514
01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:05,100
increases.

2515
01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:07,100
>> and does that include, I understand

2516
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:10,100
there was the projected cost and the

2517
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:12,100
actual cost, does that include that

2518
01:58:12,100 --> 01:58:13,100
difference?

2519
01:58:13,100 --> 01:58:16,100
>> we started with the actual costs

2520
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:18,100
from last year and then hiked the

2521
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:21,100
fully burdened rate, updated the fully

2522
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:23,100
burdened rate so it's the same amount

2523
01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:25,100
as staff hours but I think we added

2524
01:58:25,100 --> 01:58:26,100
one more officer.

2525
01:58:26,100 --> 01:58:29,100
>> so it does account for the fully

2526
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:31,100
burdened rate from last year?

2527
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:32,100
>> yes, it does.

2528
01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:33,100
>> okay, thank you.

2529
01:58:33,100 --> 01:58:34,100
>> councilmember charelian?

2530
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:36,100
>> thank you, mayor.

2531
01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:38,100
again, I appreciate you guys bringing

2532
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:40,100
this forward.

2533
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:42,100
early enough so you can potentially

2534
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:44,100
get this done in the next couple of

2535
01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:46,100
months here, it's coming before we

2536
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:48,100
know it.

2537
01:58:48,100 --> 01:58:51,100
I'm a big proponent of the north bid,

2538
01:58:51,100 --> 01:58:53,100
I've been a representative as prior

2539
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:55,100
staff as well as council, I liked what

2540
01:58:55,100 --> 01:58:58,100
I saw last year with the road closure

2541
01:58:58,100 --> 01:59:00,100
and the activity for the businesses,

2542
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:03,100
it was a nice buzz and it wasn't from

2543
01:59:03,100 --> 01:59:05,100
the beer.

2544
01:59:06,100 --> 01:59:09,100
but I wanted to ask the fire chief

2545
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,100
real quick because I was there and one

2546
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:14,601
of my biggest concerns was the

2547
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:17,100
thoroughfare for these big box

2548
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:20,100
ambulances that we have, the

2549
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:24,100
state of the art.

2550
01:59:24,100 --> 01:59:26,100
I don't know if you had any calls

2551
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:28,100
between that time in the north end?

2552
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:30,100
>> I would have to go back and check.

2553
01:59:30,100 --> 01:59:33,100
>> were there any issues because you

2554
01:59:33,100 --> 01:59:35,100
had to redirect -- you weren't going

2555
01:59:35,100 --> 01:59:36,100
down highland anymore.

2556
01:59:36,100 --> 01:59:38,100
>> we planned for that during our plan

2557
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:41,601
progress, we didn't up staff for

2558
01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:45,100
this event, it was approximately 3500

2559
01:59:45,100 --> 01:59:47,100
people, but that doesn't -- in us

2560
01:59:47,100 --> 01:59:49,100
doing our data analysis, that doesn't

2561
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:50,100
generate increased staffing for the

2562
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:52,100
fire department.

2563
01:59:54,100 --> 01:59:57,100
we do sit through the special event

2564
01:59:57,100 --> 01:59:58,100
permitting process, we analyze and

2565
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:59,100
take a look at all the street closures

2566
01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:02,100
and then we plan with personnel so

2567
02:00:02,100 --> 02:00:05,100
that they can redirect their routes

2568
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:07,100
for emergency calls but at this time,

2569
02:00:07,100 --> 02:00:09,100
nothing was directed back to me of any

2570
02:00:09,100 --> 02:00:10,100
issues.

2571
02:00:10,100 --> 02:00:11,100
>> no, I appreciate that, and I know

2572
02:00:11,100 --> 02:00:14,100
you guys are watching from it from

2573
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:17,601
afar, keeping your fingers and pulse

2574
02:00:18,100 --> 02:00:20,100
here and that's really important the

2575
02:00:20,100 --> 02:00:22,100
for that many people.

2576
02:00:22,100 --> 02:00:25,100
linda, for the police, if there was

2577
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:28,100
any outside of the right turn on

2578
02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:30,100
rosecrans, was there any other

2579
02:00:30,100 --> 02:00:31,100
incidents?

2580
02:00:31,100 --> 02:00:32,100
I don't want to be super broad, did

2581
02:00:32,100 --> 02:00:34,100
the re of it go well?

2582
02:00:34,100 --> 02:00:36,100
you haves only there for a half hour.

2583
02:00:36,100 --> 02:00:38,100
>> there were no incidents that I'm

2584
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:42,100
aware of and as far as I have heard,

2585
02:00:42,100 --> 02:00:44,100
there weren't complaints either about

2586
02:00:44,100 --> 02:00:46,100
redirecting that traffic down through

2587
02:00:46,100 --> 02:00:48,100
manhattan avenue.

2588
02:00:48,100 --> 02:00:50,100
>> got you, so stay up here, I have a

2589
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:52,100
couple of more questions, it has to do

2590
02:00:52,100 --> 02:00:54,100
with the budget, you indicated parks

2591
02:00:54,100 --> 02:00:57,100
and rec budgeted 3500 dollars for

2592
02:00:59,100 --> 02:01:00,100
this.

2593
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:03,601
>> not parks and rec, that 3500 was

2594
02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:08,100
police department for public safety.

2595
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:10,100
>> for public safety, there's $3,500

2596
02:01:10,100 --> 02:01:14,201
in the budget and then looking at

2597
02:01:15,100 --> 02:01:17,100
slide 17, I was a little confused

2598
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:20,100
with the 9 thousand and the 12

2599
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:22,100
thousand the earlier councilmember

2600
02:01:22,100 --> 02:01:23,100
brought up.

2601
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:26,100
you have that $3,500 and that 9 and 12

2602
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:29,100
was the variance -- the 3500 dollars

2603
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:31,100
is still budged in the city's budget,

2604
02:01:31,100 --> 02:01:33,100
so you're asking for 12 thousand 500

2605
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:34,100
total for this budget.

2606
02:01:34,100 --> 02:01:35,100
>> yes.

2607
02:01:35,100 --> 02:01:37,100
>> okay.

2608
02:01:39,100 --> 02:01:41,100
third question, and I know we jumped

2609
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:43,100
on the support last year with the 9

2610
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:46,100
thousand and the closure and it was

2611
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:48,100
very successful and then you mentioned

2612
02:01:48,100 --> 02:01:51,100
you were going to re-evaluate it

2613
02:01:51,100 --> 02:01:54,100
singing the system that we just

2614
02:01:54,100 --> 02:01:55,100
approved.

2615
02:01:55,100 --> 02:01:58,100
so, is there an opportunity since last

2616
02:01:58,100 --> 02:02:01,100
year, we upped the 9 thousand dollars

2617
02:02:01,100 --> 02:02:02,100
and there's -- I think I heard over

2618
02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:04,100
258 thousand dollars in the reserves

2619
02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:06,100
for the north bid.

2620
02:02:06,100 --> 02:02:09,100
is there a possibility that we can do

2621
02:02:09,100 --> 02:02:11,100
a split this year?

2622
02:02:11,100 --> 02:02:12,100
we talked about that last year?

2623
02:02:12,100 --> 02:02:14,100
>> is that a question for

2624
02:02:14,100 --> 02:02:16,100
the chamber?

2625
02:02:18,100 --> 02:02:21,100
>> mark, but my point being is those

2626
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:23,100
are reserves and I asked earlier what

2627
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:26,100
those reserves would be utilized for

2628
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:28,100
and I think they're for opportunities

2629
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:32,100
such as this to be able to tap into --

2630
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:34,100
those are specifically funded for

2631
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:36,100
north manhattan beach district.

2632
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:37,100
>> the option that I have here that

2633
02:02:37,100 --> 02:02:40,100
does share some of the expenses is

2634
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:42,100
option 2 and that would require the

2635
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:46,100
bid to pay for all third party costs.

2636
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:48,100
>> and I'm not -- I want to -- I'm

2637
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:52,100
supporting like the process here and I

2638
02:02:52,100 --> 02:02:55,100
want to support the north bid and give

2639
02:02:55,100 --> 02:02:58,100
some funds but I'm looking for an

2640
02:02:58,100 --> 02:03:01,601
opportunity to help us because I'm

2641
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:04,100
being fiscally observant here, you

2642
02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:06,100
know, just trying to see if there's a

2643
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:08,100
way, help me help you, it's like I

2644
02:03:08,100 --> 02:03:11,100
want to throw in some money but theres

2645
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:12,100
is there an opportunity to utilize

2646
02:03:12,100 --> 02:03:14,100
their own funds that are specifically

2647
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:17,100
for the north manhattan -- they're

2648
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:18,100
collected assessments from years past

2649
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:22,201
for these type of things going forward.

2650
02:03:23,100 --> 02:03:25,100
>> in the budget that you approved for

2651
02:03:25,100 --> 02:03:28,100
us, we allocated 25 thousand dollars

2652
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:33,100
of our budget this year specifically

2653
02:03:33,100 --> 02:03:35,100
for supporting of the holiday stroll,

2654
02:03:35,100 --> 02:03:39,100
so we are allocating the vast majority

2655
02:03:39,100 --> 02:03:43,100
of our annual budget to the biggest

2656
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:45,100
chunk of our single chunk of our

2657
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:48,100
budget is to support the holiday

2658
02:03:48,100 --> 02:03:49,100
stroll.

2659
02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:50,100
>> yeah, and I'm aware of that.

2660
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:52,100
I guess my whole thing is your reserve

2661
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:55,601
is a savings account because we're

2662
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:57,100
still monitoring how this is going to

2663
02:03:57,100 --> 02:04:01,201
play out with the whole process for

2664
02:04:03,100 --> 02:04:06,100
next year, and last year we opened up

2665
02:04:06,100 --> 02:04:11,401
our wallets and let's do this, a as a

2666
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:13,100
pilot program.

2667
02:04:13,100 --> 02:04:14,100
this is an opportunity and I'm not

2668
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:17,100
talking exactly to you as president,

2669
02:04:17,100 --> 02:04:18,100
but generally to staff or whoever,

2670
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:20,100
maybe the city manager, this is what

2671
02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:23,100
the reserve is for, I'm saying instead

2672
02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:26,100
of asking for 12 thousand 500, why

2673
02:04:26,100 --> 02:04:28,100
don't we dip into reserves.

2674
02:04:28,100 --> 02:04:30,100
we are the policy makers, we could

2675
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:32,100
utilize those funds for this and we

2676
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:34,100
have our city attorney here, it's a

2677
02:04:34,100 --> 02:04:36,100
bid and they put in the reserves for

2678
02:04:36,100 --> 02:04:38,100
the bid, so I guess my question is --

2679
02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:41,100
>> to cover the staff and city

2680
02:04:41,100 --> 02:04:43,100
value, I see what you're saying but I

2681
02:04:43,100 --> 02:04:45,100
think -- I got it, okay.

2682
02:04:45,100 --> 02:04:47,100
>> so, I want to talk about that a

2683
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:48,100
little bit.

2684
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:51,100
the first thing is the budget that the

2685
02:04:51,100 --> 02:04:55,201
bid gave to the association is mostly

2686
02:04:57,100 --> 02:04:58,100
for marketing purposes.

2687
02:04:58,100 --> 02:05:00,100
the holiday stroll is a negative

2688
02:05:00,100 --> 02:05:01,100
revenue event.

2689
02:05:01,100 --> 02:05:03,100
this is already a loser because -- I

2690
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:05,100
mean, it would be the same thing if

2691
02:05:05,100 --> 02:05:09,201
you were looking at downtown, we spent

2692
02:05:10,100 --> 02:05:12,401
like 15 thousand dollars on

2693
02:05:13,100 --> 02:05:15,100
entertainment and all of those kinds

2694
02:05:15,100 --> 02:05:17,100
of things which is what draws people

2695
02:05:17,100 --> 02:05:18,100
in, they have to market it and all

2696
02:05:18,100 --> 02:05:20,100
that kind of stuff.

2697
02:05:20,100 --> 02:05:23,601
we also got sponsorships, we're trying

2698
02:05:25,100 --> 02:05:26,100
to do everything but the bid

2699
02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:28,100
specifically said, if we

2700
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:31,100
cannot make this revenue neutral going

2701
02:05:31,100 --> 02:05:34,100
forward, that the reserve money stops,

2702
02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:36,100
that they're not going to do that, so

2703
02:05:36,100 --> 02:05:40,100
this event is already in the red and

2704
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:42,100
what we're trying to do with it is

2705
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,100
kind of what has been created for

2706
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:47,601
downtown with the holiday open house

2707
02:05:51,100 --> 02:05:52,100
where it's like this big thing that

2708
02:05:52,100 --> 02:05:53,100
everybody knows about it and they come

2709
02:05:53,100 --> 02:05:55,100
and eventually hopefully the bid will

2710
02:05:55,100 --> 02:05:56,100
be self-sustaining annually.

2711
02:05:56,100 --> 02:06:00,100
they only bring in 25 I think is what

2712
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:02,100
libby's most recent estimate was, 25

2713
02:06:02,100 --> 02:06:04,100
thousand dollars a year, if we're

2714
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:07,100
taking 15 of that, we'll never make

2715
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:08,100
this event sustainable at this point,

2716
02:06:08,100 --> 02:06:11,100
so -- and part of all of this that's

2717
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:15,100
sort of confusing to me is why I'm

2718
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:17,100
happy that we're looking at this whole

2719
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:21,100
process is when we came in july and we

2720
02:06:21,100 --> 02:06:23,100
asked for the closure of the streets

2721
02:06:23,100 --> 02:06:27,100
and what the staff report and you guys

2722
02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:29,100
approved was 10 thousand 216 dollars

2723
02:06:29,100 --> 02:06:31,100
in third party expenses and that's

2724
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:34,100
what we budgeted for was for that

2725
02:06:34,100 --> 02:06:38,801
amount and then the first bill that I

2726
02:06:40,100 --> 02:06:42,100
got was for 27 thousand 779 dollars

2727
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:44,100
which included all kinds of things

2728
02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:46,401
that weren't in there.

2729
02:06:47,100 --> 02:06:49,100
I mean, that weren't intended, they

2730
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:51,100
were city staff parking meters which

2731
02:06:51,100 --> 02:06:53,100
were bagged at that point, so I don't

2732
02:06:53,100 --> 02:06:56,601
know why we even got that.

2733
02:06:58,100 --> 02:07:01,100
but then they're like, we need to

2734
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:02,100
revise that, then it came back at 12

2735
02:07:02,100 --> 02:07:04,100
thousand 246 dollars 17 cents which is

2736
02:07:04,100 --> 02:07:07,100
still different than the 10 thousand

2737
02:07:08,100 --> 02:07:10,100
600, so the best that we can do is

2738
02:07:10,100 --> 02:07:12,100
budget for what we're asked and when

2739
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:15,601
we were asked for the 10 thousand 216,

2740
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:19,100
we budgeted for that as a part of the

2741
02:07:19,100 --> 02:07:24,401
loss that we were going to do on that.

2742
02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:27,100
this is in terms of relative expenses

2743
02:07:27,100 --> 02:07:29,100
for other events, this one is not that

2744
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:31,100
much and it is the only one that

2745
02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:33,100
happens in north manhattan beach and I

2746
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:35,100
would just ask you, like I said, we're

2747
02:07:35,100 --> 02:07:39,100
going out and finding son sore ships.

2748
02:07:39,100 --> 02:07:41,100
if there's a way to make it a

2749
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:43,100
co-sponsored city event the way that

2750
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:46,100
the downtown holiday open house is so

2751
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:48,100
that extra 10 thousand 200 dollars

2752
02:07:48,100 --> 02:07:50,100
gets covered for us and it's not a

2753
02:07:50,100 --> 02:07:52,100
loss, that would be really outstanding

2754
02:07:52,100 --> 02:07:54,100
because it's so important to these

2755
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,100
businesses and I know you guys are

2756
02:07:56,100 --> 02:07:58,100
getting peppered with a bunch of

2757
02:07:58,100 --> 02:08:00,100
e-mails from residents in that area as

2758
02:08:00,100 --> 02:08:02,100
well because they're all saying, hey,

2759
02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:06,100
this is the one thing we have and

2760
02:08:06,100 --> 02:08:07,100
downtown gets to do a lot of fun stuff

2761
02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:09,100
and if we can do something to

2762
02:08:09,100 --> 02:08:11,100
support the businesses on that end of

2763
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:13,100
town, I would really appreciate it.

2764
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:17,801
>> and I don't think -- and I speak

2765
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:20,100
for myself but I think we're all in

2766
02:08:20,100 --> 02:08:22,100
support of the north end, we want

2767
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:24,100
north end to thrive, we want you to

2768
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:26,100
have this one street closure.

2769
02:08:26,100 --> 02:08:30,201
I guess for me, the conservative side,

2770
02:08:31,100 --> 02:08:34,100
and I know this is a loser, there's no

2771
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:36,100
way you're making enough assessment

2772
02:08:36,100 --> 02:08:38,100
coverage, for example, during our

2773
02:08:38,100 --> 02:08:40,100
budget process, we with had to dig

2774
02:08:40,100 --> 02:08:43,100
deep into our reserves to take care of

2775
02:08:43,100 --> 02:08:46,100
some one time items almost in the tune

2776
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:49,100
of 10 million dollars, we dug into our

2777
02:08:49,100 --> 02:08:51,100
reserves to do that, that's what the

2778
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:53,100
reserves are for.

2779
02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:55,100
so, my question is, this is maybe this

2780
02:08:55,100 --> 02:08:56,100
is a finance question.

2781
02:08:56,100 --> 02:09:00,201
>> I guess my point is we're already

2782
02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:03,100
digging 90 thousand into the reserves

2783
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:06,100
which puts us 60 thousand over what

2784
02:09:06,100 --> 02:09:08,100
we're bringing in this year.

2785
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:10,100
the methodology behind that as we're

2786
02:09:10,100 --> 02:09:12,100
working hard on getting businesses to

2787
02:09:12,100 --> 02:09:13,100
participate and working on marketing

2788
02:09:13,100 --> 02:09:15,100
and all of those things and it's like

2789
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:16,100
--

2790
02:09:16,100 --> 02:09:17,100
>> understood.

2791
02:09:17,100 --> 02:09:18,100
>> okay, thank you.

2792
02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:20,100
>> thank you.

2793
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:23,401
>> thank you, libby bretthauer,

2794
02:09:24,100 --> 02:09:26,100
finance director, so, trying to think

2795
02:09:26,100 --> 02:09:28,100
back to what your question is, a lot

2796
02:09:28,100 --> 02:09:31,100
of time has passed since you asked the

2797
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:32,100
original question.

2798
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:34,100
I believe what you're asking is in the

2799
02:09:34,100 --> 02:09:38,100
process, if the bid was willing to

2800
02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:40,100
contribute more funds from the funds

2801
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:42,100
holding in reserve for them, that would

2802
02:09:42,100 --> 02:09:44,100
need to go back to an agendized

2803
02:09:44,100 --> 02:09:45,100
bid meeting for them to discuss

2804
02:09:45,100 --> 02:09:47,100
because the meeting has was held in

2805
02:09:47,100 --> 02:09:50,100
july that I mentioned the previous

2806
02:09:50,100 --> 02:09:53,601
renewal item or the public hearing,

2807
02:09:55,100 --> 02:09:57,401
they reviewed the proposed

2808
02:10:05,100 --> 02:10:07,100
activity plan and the budget that

2809
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:09,100
was proposed by the association and

2810
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:11,100
the bid advisory board approved that

2811
02:10:11,100 --> 02:10:14,601
and then you approved earlier tonight.

2812
02:10:15,100 --> 02:10:19,100
so I believe if we were to

2813
02:10:19,100 --> 02:10:21,100
allocate more funds, we would need to

2814
02:10:21,100 --> 02:10:23,100
schedule another bid advisory board

2815
02:10:23,100 --> 02:10:24,100
meeting.

2816
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:26,100
we're already planning on having

2817
02:10:26,100 --> 02:10:27,100
another bid advisory board meeting in

2818
02:10:27,100 --> 02:10:29,100
the next two months to discuss the

2819
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:32,100
election, so we could certainly bring

2820
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:35,100
this back as another item for

2821
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:37,100
discussion then to see if they're

2822
02:10:37,100 --> 02:10:40,601
willing to entertain any funds from

2823
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:42,100
reserves.

2824
02:10:42,100 --> 02:10:44,100
>> no I appreciate it, that's all I

2825
02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:45,100
have.

2826
02:10:45,100 --> 02:10:46,100
>> councilmember lesser?

2827
02:10:46,100 --> 02:10:48,100
>> could I have you address the last

2828
02:10:48,100 --> 02:10:51,100
slide, slide 16 because I'm confused

2829
02:10:51,100 --> 02:10:53,100
on costs.

2830
02:10:53,100 --> 02:10:57,201
what has been allocated in our current

2831
02:10:58,100 --> 02:11:01,100
fiscal year 2026-2027 budget for the

2832
02:11:01,100 --> 02:11:03,100
north end holiday stroll this coming

2833
02:11:03,100 --> 02:11:05,401
december at this point?

2834
02:11:07,100 --> 02:11:10,100
>> I would have to the look this up.

2835
02:11:10,100 --> 02:11:13,100
>> I'm happy to ask linda directly.

2836
02:11:13,100 --> 02:11:17,100
>> she has it at her fingertips then.

2837
02:11:17,100 --> 02:11:19,100
>> it's been allocated already for the

2838
02:11:19,100 --> 02:11:22,100
city for the subsidy for this event.

2839
02:11:22,100 --> 02:11:23,100
>> what is already included in our

2840
02:11:23,100 --> 02:11:26,601
budget out of the 75 thousand 189 is

2841
02:11:29,100 --> 02:11:30,100
31 thousand 805.

2842
02:11:30,100 --> 02:11:31,100
>> okay.

2843
02:11:31,100 --> 02:11:33,100
so, in our staff report in the

2844
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:35,100
presentation, there is a reference to

2845
02:11:35,100 --> 02:11:38,100
a need for an additional 9 thousand

2846
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:41,100
and/or an additional 12 thousand 500.

2847
02:11:41,100 --> 02:11:43,100
there still leaves quite a delta here

2848
02:11:43,100 --> 02:11:46,100
so I'm not tracking this slide with

2849
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:48,100
the actual costs that the city's

2850
02:11:48,100 --> 02:11:50,100
estimated to expend which would be

2851
02:11:50,100 --> 02:11:52,100
even higher than the amount listed

2852
02:11:52,100 --> 02:11:53,100
here.

2853
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:56,100
>> so, the difference is staffing and

2854
02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:58,100
there is a difference in the way it's

2855
02:11:58,100 --> 02:12:01,601
estimated and the way it's valued

2856
02:12:02,100 --> 02:12:06,100
which is -- when I'm pulling costs out

2857
02:12:06,100 --> 02:12:10,100
of the budget, I'm pulling staff hours

2858
02:12:10,100 --> 02:12:12,100
as they're budgeted for salary.

2859
02:12:12,100 --> 02:12:15,100
those are not fully burdened

2860
02:12:17,100 --> 02:12:18,100
rates.

2861
02:12:18,100 --> 02:12:20,100
so, sometimes it's not apples to apples

2862
02:12:20,100 --> 02:12:22,100
so that's why I was calling it the

2863
02:12:22,100 --> 02:12:26,201
value of city services is when we

2864
02:12:27,100 --> 02:12:29,100
calculated afterwards we're using this

2865
02:12:29,100 --> 02:12:30,100
fully burdened rate.

2866
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:34,100
>> so I'm still looking for that delta

2867
02:12:34,100 --> 02:12:36,100
if I could and then I have another

2868
02:12:36,100 --> 02:12:37,100
question.

2869
02:12:37,100 --> 02:12:38,100
>> just to add on to what linda

2870
02:12:38,100 --> 02:12:40,100
was saying because it does get really

2871
02:12:40,100 --> 02:12:44,100
confusing and I think we tend to

2872
02:12:44,100 --> 02:12:46,100
conflate the two -- there's what we

2873
02:12:46,100 --> 02:12:49,100
would charge to external parties using

2874
02:12:49,100 --> 02:12:51,100
the fully burdened rates which

2875
02:12:51,100 --> 02:12:54,100
includes a lot of indirect coasters

2876
02:12:54,100 --> 02:12:57,601
and overhead costs, that's what we're

2877
02:12:58,100 --> 02:13:00,100
billing third parties for our time.

2878
02:13:00,100 --> 02:13:02,100
what we would pay for our employees

2879
02:13:02,100 --> 02:13:04,100
for staffing to the vendors is going

2880
02:13:04,100 --> 02:13:07,100
to be less, so, we've been working on

2881
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:10,100
how to more clearly present that and I

2882
02:13:10,100 --> 02:13:11,100
think tonight's discussion provers we

2883
02:13:11,100 --> 02:13:14,100
need to do some more work on that for

2884
02:13:14,100 --> 02:13:17,100
future items and we certainly will, so

2885
02:13:17,100 --> 02:13:19,100
-- and then I guess to answer your

2886
02:13:19,100 --> 02:13:20,100
other question a about what that

2887
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:22,100
delta is, I think what the piece that

2888
02:13:22,100 --> 02:13:26,100
we're not showing is the regular staff

2889
02:13:26,100 --> 02:13:29,601
time, that's not overtime, there's not

2890
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:33,100
like a very specific line item in our

2891
02:13:33,100 --> 02:13:35,100
budget for the event because we're

2892
02:13:35,100 --> 02:13:37,100
also contributing regular staffing

2893
02:13:37,100 --> 02:13:40,100
costs that's imbedded in the personnel

2894
02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:43,100
budget for salary and benefits.

2895
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:44,100
>> linda, one final question if I

2896
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:45,100
could.

2897
02:13:45,100 --> 02:13:48,100
if council is very much supportive of

2898
02:13:48,100 --> 02:13:50,100
holiday stroll but wants to look at

2899
02:13:50,100 --> 02:13:53,100
what might be a lower cost option of

2900
02:13:53,100 --> 02:13:55,100
just not cosigning the street this

2901
02:13:55,100 --> 02:13:58,601
year, there's the cost from 2024, has

2902
02:13:59,100 --> 02:14:02,100
that cost been updated many council

2903
02:14:02,100 --> 02:14:04,100
were to direct there be a holiday

2904
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:06,100
stroll but not with a street closure?

2905
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:09,100
>> I did a very quick calculation to

2906
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:13,801
see what that cost might be with the

2907
02:14:14,100 --> 02:14:16,100
updated fully burdened rates, it would

2908
02:14:16,100 --> 02:14:18,100
be about $7,500.

2909
02:14:19,100 --> 02:14:22,100
>> okay, I have some more thoughts but

2910
02:14:22,100 --> 02:14:25,100
let me wait for the other councilmen

2911
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:26,100
to ask questions.

2912
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:28,100
thank you.

2913
02:14:28,100 --> 02:14:31,100
>> so, for my question, are we going

2914
02:14:31,100 --> 02:14:34,100
to be doing this for just this next

2915
02:14:34,100 --> 02:14:36,401
year and then re-evaluate?

2916
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:38,100
>> so, this that's in front of you

2917
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:41,100
today is for 2026 event and then the

2918
02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:44,100
2027 event will be part of the whole

2919
02:14:44,100 --> 02:14:45,100
fee waiver process.

2920
02:14:45,100 --> 02:14:47,100
>> okay.

2921
02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:52,801
and then -- sorry, I'm missing a slide.

2922
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:04,100
yeah, that -- that's it for now, I

2923
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:08,100
wanted to make sure it waser going to

2924
02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:11,100
be going on without taking a look at

2925
02:15:11,100 --> 02:15:12,100
other future years.

2926
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:13,100
mayor pro tem?

2927
02:15:13,100 --> 02:15:15,100
>> thank you, linda, I did have a

2928
02:15:15,100 --> 02:15:17,100
follow-up question, so basically what

2929
02:15:17,100 --> 02:15:20,100
I'm hearing is that we will -- once we

2930
02:15:20,100 --> 02:15:21,100
have to get through this hurdle

2931
02:15:21,100 --> 02:15:24,100
because we didn't have a system in

2932
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:26,100
place to go through the process of

2933
02:15:26,100 --> 02:15:29,100
analyzing and getting all the numbers

2934
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:33,100
broken down as you and I and jill and

2935
02:15:33,100 --> 02:15:35,100
a talyn and libby had met to go

2936
02:15:35,100 --> 02:15:37,100
through the actual numbers but going

2937
02:15:37,100 --> 02:15:40,100
forward, if we approve this, this

2938
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:44,100
event will be going through the same

2939
02:15:44,100 --> 02:15:46,100
process as all the other events so

2940
02:15:46,100 --> 02:15:48,100
we'll have opportunities to weigh

2941
02:15:48,100 --> 02:15:51,100
apples for apples, north manhattan,

2942
02:15:51,100 --> 02:15:52,100
downtown, and really have an

2943
02:15:52,100 --> 02:15:54,100
opportunity to evaluate and not just

2944
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:57,100
look at just this specific event and

2945
02:15:57,100 --> 02:16:00,100
how we can cut costs on just the north

2946
02:16:00,100 --> 02:16:03,100
side, the only event that the

2947
02:16:03,100 --> 02:16:06,100
north side has and cutting the budget

2948
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:08,100
for that event but really looking at

2949
02:16:08,100 --> 02:16:12,100
it from a holistic, all of our

2950
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:13,100
subsidized events, right?

2951
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:14,100
>> yes, that's correct.

2952
02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:17,100
>> we're trying to get through this

2953
02:16:17,100 --> 02:16:18,100
initial hurdle and going forward,

2954
02:16:18,100 --> 02:16:20,100
we'll be doing this evaluation with

2955
02:16:20,100 --> 02:16:22,100
all the other events?

2956
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:23,100
>> correct.

2957
02:16:23,100 --> 02:16:25,100
>> alright, thank you.

2958
02:16:25,100 --> 02:16:26,100
>> councilmember howorth?

2959
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:27,100
>> thank you.

2960
02:16:27,100 --> 02:16:31,100
I have another question, but, I mean,

2961
02:16:31,100 --> 02:16:32,100
yes and no.

2962
02:16:32,100 --> 02:16:34,100
I mean, the evaluation process

2963
02:16:34,100 --> 02:16:36,100
doesn't have anything to do with the

2964
02:16:36,100 --> 02:16:37,100
cost.

2965
02:16:37,100 --> 02:16:38,100
>> yeah.

2966
02:16:38,100 --> 02:16:40,100
>> the evaluation process is just a

2967
02:16:40,100 --> 02:16:42,100
public benefit, is there a fee to

2968
02:16:42,100 --> 02:16:46,100
attend, is there -- so, right, if the

2969
02:16:46,100 --> 02:16:48,100
evaluation criteria is about --

2970
02:16:48,100 --> 02:16:50,100
>> no, I wanted to follow up on that.

2971
02:16:50,100 --> 02:16:54,100
but would costs be included into -- so

2972
02:16:54,100 --> 02:16:56,100
I know that whether something is a

2973
02:16:56,100 --> 02:16:59,100
legacy event and a subsidized event is

2974
02:16:59,100 --> 02:17:02,100
part -- is the overall umbrella but

2975
02:17:02,100 --> 02:17:06,201
part of that will include a breakdown

2976
02:17:07,100 --> 02:17:09,100
of what it costs so --

2977
02:17:09,100 --> 02:17:10,100
>> there's always a breakdown of what

2978
02:17:10,100 --> 02:17:11,100
it costs and that's not how we

2979
02:17:11,100 --> 02:17:12,100
decide whether we're going do it, so

2980
02:17:12,100 --> 02:17:14,100
we always gate breakdown of costs.

2981
02:17:14,100 --> 02:17:17,100
the evaluation criteria was just

2982
02:17:17,100 --> 02:17:18,100
approved is totally different.

2983
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:21,100
it's about how many points do you get

2984
02:17:21,100 --> 02:17:25,100
if something a public good, I guess

2985
02:17:25,100 --> 02:17:26,100
just to clarify.

2986
02:17:26,100 --> 02:17:28,100
>> yes.

2987
02:17:30,100 --> 02:17:34,201
>> so, what this is, is saying, hey,

2988
02:17:35,100 --> 02:17:37,100
when the city tried to go back to the

2989
02:17:37,100 --> 02:17:40,100
north end and say we said it would

2990
02:17:40,100 --> 02:17:42,100
cost 12 thousand, it's going to cost

2991
02:17:42,100 --> 02:17:44,100
this much, that was a huge shock and

2992
02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:46,100
not able to be absorbed by the north

2993
02:17:46,100 --> 02:17:49,100
end and a lot of it -- then you have

2994
02:17:49,100 --> 02:17:53,100
your third party cost, but then the

2995
02:17:53,100 --> 02:17:55,100
staff cost is -- was the expensive

2996
02:17:55,100 --> 02:17:58,100
thing, and I think that the question

2997
02:17:58,100 --> 02:18:01,100
before us here is which one of these

2998
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:03,100
options, you know, do we still want to

2999
02:18:03,100 --> 02:18:06,100
do the road closure because -- and if

3000
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:09,100
so, how do we want to divide up the

3001
02:18:09,100 --> 02:18:10,100
costs, right.

3002
02:18:10,100 --> 02:18:12,100
and one thing I want to point out

3003
02:18:12,100 --> 02:18:15,100
though is the cost that we do when

3004
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:17,100
we're talking about -- this kind of

3005
02:18:17,100 --> 02:18:20,100
goes to your point, councilmember

3006
02:18:20,100 --> 02:18:21,100
charelian, I understood what you were

3007
02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:24,100
asking about the north manhattan bid's

3008
02:18:24,100 --> 02:18:27,100
reserve funds and how we had to go

3009
02:18:27,100 --> 02:18:28,100
into our reserves but these numbers

3010
02:18:28,100 --> 02:18:33,401
when we talk about the cost to the city,

3011
02:18:36,100 --> 02:18:39,601
often it's not always overtime, right.

3012
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:42,100
it's an accounting, it's not a charge,

3013
02:18:42,100 --> 02:18:44,100
is that correct?

3014
02:18:44,100 --> 02:18:46,100
I'm looking at the city manager.

3015
02:18:46,100 --> 02:18:48,100
sorry, I don't want to have linda have

3016
02:18:48,100 --> 02:18:49,100
to take this.

3017
02:18:49,100 --> 02:18:52,601
>> it is an accounting, as linda

3018
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:56,100
mentioned earlier in her presentation,

3019
02:18:56,100 --> 02:18:57,100
for most of a lot of these events, the

3020
02:18:57,100 --> 02:19:00,100
city takes on that cost as it's

3021
02:19:00,100 --> 02:19:01,100
accounted for.

3022
02:19:01,100 --> 02:19:04,100
>> right, so just understand that

3023
02:19:05,100 --> 02:19:07,100
we're not saying you should have to

3024
02:19:07,100 --> 02:19:09,100
pay unless you are and that's okay

3025
02:19:09,100 --> 02:19:12,100
too, we can discuss that, but

3026
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:15,100
sometimes, I mean, we do have police

3027
02:19:15,100 --> 02:19:17,100
on duty and we're allocating them in

3028
02:19:17,100 --> 02:19:19,100
this area so this is just budgeting,

3029
02:19:19,100 --> 02:19:21,100
this is what it costs uss bah we're

3030
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:23,100
not charging you this much, correct,

3031
02:19:23,100 --> 02:19:26,100
and again I'm looking at somebody.

3032
02:19:26,100 --> 02:19:27,100
looking over here.

3033
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:29,100
>> that's correct.

3034
02:19:29,100 --> 02:19:32,100
>> okay, but the third party costs are

3035
02:19:32,100 --> 02:19:34,100
additional costs that we incur, that

3036
02:19:34,100 --> 02:19:37,100
we would not incur if that event

3037
02:19:37,100 --> 02:19:39,100
wasn't happening, so for this, we're

3038
02:19:39,100 --> 02:19:42,100
not talking about any criteria, we're

3039
02:19:42,100 --> 02:19:44,100
talking about how we're going to

3040
02:19:44,100 --> 02:19:46,100
handle the costs and what the event

3041
02:19:46,100 --> 02:19:47,100
will be.

3042
02:19:47,100 --> 02:19:51,201
>> to clarify, the things that -- the

3043
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:56,100
overtime costs and the third party

3044
02:19:56,100 --> 02:20:00,100
costs are costs that we incur, that we

3045
02:20:00,100 --> 02:20:02,100
would not incur if the event was not

3046
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:03,100
happening.

3047
02:20:03,100 --> 02:20:06,100
>> right, so the -- okay.

3048
02:20:06,100 --> 02:20:08,100
alright.

3049
02:20:09,100 --> 02:20:10,100
perfect.

3050
02:20:10,100 --> 02:20:11,100
>> mayor, I have a follow-up

3051
02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:12,100
question.

3052
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:13,100
>> yes.

3053
02:20:13,100 --> 02:20:16,100
>> linda, can I just confirm from a

3054
02:20:16,100 --> 02:20:17,100
process standpoint, is there sometime

3055
02:20:17,100 --> 02:20:19,100
if council's not ready to make a

3056
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:20,100
decision tonight because we want to

3057
02:20:20,100 --> 02:20:22,100
have these costs laid out and have a

3058
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:23,100
better understanding of what the bid

3059
02:20:23,100 --> 02:20:25,100
is able to contribute, I think we have

3060
02:20:25,100 --> 02:20:28,100
a general idea, are there any other

3061
02:20:28,100 --> 02:20:30,100
sponsors, is there time given we're

3062
02:20:30,100 --> 02:20:32,100
not going to have a september piser

3063
02:20:32,100 --> 02:20:34,100
meeting for this item to come back

3064
02:20:34,100 --> 02:20:37,100
with sufficient time to plan for the

3065
02:20:37,100 --> 02:20:39,100
holiday stroll event?

3066
02:20:39,100 --> 02:20:42,100
>> well, there's time for staff and I

3067
02:20:42,100 --> 02:20:44,100
think that is a question for --

3068
02:20:44,100 --> 02:20:48,100
>> it would be good to have another

3069
02:20:48,100 --> 02:20:49,100
meeting to confirm what it's willing

3070
02:20:49,100 --> 02:20:50,100
to contribute.

3071
02:20:50,100 --> 02:20:53,100
>> through the mayor, can we have him

3072
02:20:53,100 --> 02:20:55,401
come to the microphone.

3073
02:20:57,100 --> 02:21:00,100
>> it would greatly hamper us, parts

3074
02:21:00,100 --> 02:21:03,100
of last year why we weren't able to

3075
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:05,100
raise sponsorship and different

3076
02:21:05,100 --> 02:21:07,100
things, we didn't get approval until

3077
02:21:07,100 --> 02:21:08,100
30 days before the event, so the

3078
02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:12,801
longer that it goes out that we don't

3079
02:21:13,100 --> 02:21:15,401
have any clarification or

3080
02:21:16,100 --> 02:21:17,100
finalization, we cannot do planning

3081
02:21:17,100 --> 02:21:23,100
and so if we have to go back to cover

3082
02:21:24,100 --> 02:21:26,100
a shortfall with the bid approving and

3083
02:21:26,100 --> 02:21:29,601
then the council approve, is it's

3084
02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:31,100
unlikely that funding would get

3085
02:21:31,100 --> 02:21:34,100
approved until november and by then it

3086
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:36,100
hamstrings our ability to put on the

3087
02:21:36,100 --> 02:21:37,100
best event that we can.

3088
02:21:37,100 --> 02:21:38,100
>> thank you.

3089
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:39,100
>> okay.

3090
02:21:39,100 --> 02:21:40,100
mayor pro tem?

3091
02:21:40,100 --> 02:21:42,401
>> thank you, mr. Mayor.

3092
02:21:43,100 --> 02:21:47,801
so, sorry, tim, to follow up on that,

3093
02:21:48,100 --> 02:21:50,100
sorry, is there an opportunity, so if

3094
02:21:50,100 --> 02:21:54,100
we were to say move forward with this

3095
02:21:54,100 --> 02:21:56,100
and appropriate funds, as it would be

3096
02:21:56,100 --> 02:21:58,100
helpful to do, an up to amount and

3097
02:21:58,100 --> 02:22:00,100
give you all an opportunity to

3098
02:22:00,100 --> 02:22:03,100
continue to find sponsorship funding

3099
02:22:04,100 --> 02:22:07,100
or other surceases of partnership?

3100
02:22:07,100 --> 02:22:10,100
>> we are looking por sponsorships,

3101
02:22:10,100 --> 02:22:12,100
this event is not making money and is

3102
02:22:12,100 --> 02:22:15,601
losing even with the city's allocation

3103
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:19,100
because we have our costs that have

3104
02:22:19,100 --> 02:22:23,100
nothing to do with the city and so we

3105
02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:25,100
are trying and actively going after

3106
02:22:25,100 --> 02:22:29,100
sponsors so it becomes a net positive

3107
02:22:29,100 --> 02:22:32,100
event for the association and bid's

3108
02:22:32,100 --> 02:22:35,100
budget because as jill also mentioned,

3109
02:22:35,100 --> 02:22:39,801
we are on a short leash for spending.

3110
02:22:47,100 --> 02:22:49,100
at our current burn rate, we have

3111
02:22:49,100 --> 02:22:53,100
about two and a half to three years of

3112
02:22:53,100 --> 02:22:55,100
total funding reserves at our current

3113
02:22:55,100 --> 02:22:59,100
burn rate so, we have no other choice

3114
02:22:59,100 --> 02:23:02,100
but to either -- is to greatly

3115
02:23:02,100 --> 02:23:05,100
increase revenues for the association

3116
02:23:05,100 --> 02:23:09,801
or greatly reduce costs and so we will

3117
02:23:13,100 --> 02:23:16,100
be actively going to try to get more

3118
02:23:16,100 --> 02:23:19,100
sponsorships and add more events and

3119
02:23:19,100 --> 02:23:21,100
more things that can offset the

3120
02:23:21,100 --> 02:23:22,100
costs and our expenses that we're

3121
02:23:22,100 --> 02:23:24,100
going to put in to promote our

3122
02:23:24,100 --> 02:23:25,100
district.

3123
02:23:25,100 --> 02:23:27,100
>> okay, thank you.

3124
02:23:27,100 --> 02:23:30,100
>> so, what would a sponsor look like?

3125
02:23:30,100 --> 02:23:31,100
who are some prospects?

3126
02:23:31,100 --> 02:23:34,100
you don't have to give names, but --

3127
02:23:34,100 --> 02:23:36,100
>> anyone?

3128
02:23:37,100 --> 02:23:38,100
>> I'm saying --

3129
02:23:38,100 --> 02:23:41,601
>> I am perfectly fine walking around

3130
02:23:42,100 --> 02:23:44,100
like a nascar driver.

3131
02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:48,201
there's -- we are looking for a

3132
02:23:50,100 --> 02:23:54,201
standard for all events, we are trying

3133
02:23:55,100 --> 02:23:59,201
to be very cognizant of our members

3134
02:24:01,100 --> 02:24:04,100
and businesses within, so one way that

3135
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:08,100
we are gaining revenue is to charge

3136
02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:09,100
for booth space.

3137
02:24:09,100 --> 02:24:12,100
we charge a very low rate for last

3138
02:24:12,100 --> 02:24:14,100
year's stroll and we had great

3139
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:17,100
feedback from those that paid.

3140
02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:20,100
we do give booth space to everyone of

3141
02:24:20,100 --> 02:24:22,100
the members for free.

3142
02:24:22,100 --> 02:24:26,100
we also limit who can purchase a booth

3143
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:30,201
because we do not want or limit

3144
02:24:31,100 --> 02:24:32,100
competing businesses, particularly

3145
02:24:32,100 --> 02:24:33,100
businesses from outside of our bid

3146
02:24:33,100 --> 02:24:36,100
that compete with the ones inside of

3147
02:24:36,100 --> 02:24:37,100
our bid.

3148
02:24:37,100 --> 02:24:41,100
we have tried -- we have a whole

3149
02:24:41,100 --> 02:24:43,100
sponsored deck of different levels,

3150
02:24:43,100 --> 02:24:45,401
different types of sponsors.

3151
02:24:46,100 --> 02:24:49,100
the difficult thing on sponsorships

3152
02:24:49,100 --> 02:24:52,100
for everything is we need to start and

3153
02:24:52,100 --> 02:24:55,601
line up with everybody's fiscal year,

3154
02:24:56,100 --> 02:24:59,100
and so we are also behind the

3155
02:24:59,100 --> 02:25:01,401
schedule, so anything smaller

3156
02:25:03,100 --> 02:25:05,100
sponsorships, the 4999 dollars, we can

3157
02:25:05,100 --> 02:25:09,100
get, but if we need that 5 thousand

3158
02:25:09,100 --> 02:25:11,100
plus one, we need to start that

3159
02:25:11,100 --> 02:25:13,100
essentially a year in advance and try

3160
02:25:13,100 --> 02:25:15,401
to lock that in.

3161
02:25:17,100 --> 02:25:19,100
>> okay.

3162
02:25:19,100 --> 02:25:23,100
>> and I'm open if anybody here has a

3163
02:25:23,100 --> 02:25:27,100
checkbook, I will happily or jill will

3164
02:25:27,100 --> 02:25:29,100
happily take it.

3165
02:25:30,100 --> 02:25:32,100
>> thank you.

3166
02:25:41,100 --> 02:25:42,100
alright.

3167
02:25:42,100 --> 02:25:44,100
>> mayor?

3168
02:25:44,100 --> 02:25:47,100
if you may open the public hearing for

3169
02:25:47,100 --> 02:25:50,100
anyone not related to the north end

3170
02:25:50,100 --> 02:25:51,100
bid association.

3171
02:25:51,100 --> 02:25:52,100
>> we have a taker.

3172
02:25:52,100 --> 02:25:54,100
>> okay.

3173
02:25:59,100 --> 02:26:02,100
>> can we go back to that cost slide.

3174
02:26:02,100 --> 02:26:04,100
I'm still confused on how much money

3175
02:26:04,100 --> 02:26:06,100
is being requested to be given here,

3176
02:26:06,100 --> 02:26:08,100
it's just not clear to me.

3177
02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:10,100
it doesn't have to be an exact number,

3178
02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:12,100
are we talking 60 thousand, 30

3179
02:26:12,100 --> 02:26:14,100
thousand, I just don't get it.

3180
02:26:14,100 --> 02:26:18,201
the if someone can summarize that for

3181
02:26:20,100 --> 02:26:23,100
everyone, that would be helpful.

3182
02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:26,100
we have the wave rider program still

3183
02:26:26,100 --> 02:26:27,100
understood way and if we could

3184
02:26:27,100 --> 02:26:31,100
schedule nem to have more than the

3185
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:33,100
average number of cars, thank you.

3186
02:26:33,100 --> 02:26:35,100
>> okay, anybody else?

3187
02:26:36,100 --> 02:26:37,100
online?

3188
02:26:37,100 --> 02:26:39,100
no, we're clear, we'll close public

3189
02:26:39,100 --> 02:26:40,100
comments.

3190
02:26:40,100 --> 02:26:43,100
proceed with our council discussion.

3191
02:26:55,100 --> 02:26:56,100
mayor pro tem?

3192
02:26:56,100 --> 02:26:58,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor, I wanted to

3193
02:26:58,100 --> 02:27:00,100
open this up.

3194
02:27:00,100 --> 02:27:04,100
I live on the north side of town and I

3195
02:27:04,100 --> 02:27:06,100
attended last year's event, I attended

3196
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:09,100
many of the previous year's event and

3197
02:27:09,100 --> 02:27:12,100
is hands-down, it was a hugely popular

3198
02:27:12,100 --> 02:27:14,100
and successful event for the north --

3199
02:27:14,100 --> 02:27:17,100
the residents in the north end.

3200
02:27:17,100 --> 02:27:20,100
as jill pointed out, we don't have

3201
02:27:20,100 --> 02:27:23,100
anything like that on the north side

3202
02:27:23,100 --> 02:27:26,100
of town and many of our businesses

3203
02:27:26,100 --> 02:27:28,100
feel very neglected because all the

3204
02:27:28,100 --> 02:27:31,601
events and the discussions tend to

3205
02:27:34,100 --> 02:27:37,100
center on the businesses in downtown

3206
02:27:37,100 --> 02:27:40,100
manhattan beach, so, you know, as far

3207
02:27:40,100 --> 02:27:43,100
as like building on an event, this is

3208
02:27:43,100 --> 02:27:44,100
a great opportunity for us.

3209
02:27:44,100 --> 02:27:47,100
I know it was a pilot program last

3210
02:27:47,100 --> 02:27:50,100
year and it did prove to be very

3211
02:27:50,100 --> 02:27:52,100
successful and I hope we can

3212
02:27:52,100 --> 02:27:55,100
continue to allow it to grow so that

3213
02:27:55,100 --> 02:27:58,100
at some point, it can hopefully

3214
02:27:58,100 --> 02:28:00,100
self-sustain, but at this point, we

3215
02:28:00,100 --> 02:28:02,100
see the challenge of figuring out what

3216
02:28:02,100 --> 02:28:04,100
the projected cost will be and then

3217
02:28:04,100 --> 02:28:06,100
because it's the first year we're

3218
02:28:06,100 --> 02:28:10,201
doing this, what the actual co-s are,

3219
02:28:12,100 --> 02:28:13,100
so I think from a planning standpoint,

3220
02:28:13,100 --> 02:28:16,100
we have to anticipate that there will

3221
02:28:16,100 --> 02:28:19,100
be times when we're off the mark and

3222
02:28:19,100 --> 02:28:22,100
that we should do what we can to

3223
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:24,100
ensure that this event can continue on

3224
02:28:24,100 --> 02:28:28,201
and continue to build and continue to

3225
02:28:29,100 --> 02:28:30,100
thrive.

3226
02:28:30,100 --> 02:28:32,100
so, I would love to hear from my

3227
02:28:32,100 --> 02:28:36,100
council colleagues, but I think it's a

3228
02:28:36,100 --> 02:28:38,100
great event and I will be supporting

3229
02:28:38,100 --> 02:28:39,100
it on some level.

3230
02:28:39,100 --> 02:28:40,100
>> okay.

3231
02:28:40,100 --> 02:28:42,100
councilmember howorth?

3232
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:47,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor, a couple of

3233
02:28:47,100 --> 02:28:49,100
my colleagues represented that maybe

3234
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:51,100
they live in the north end or they've

3235
02:28:51,100 --> 02:28:55,100
been in the north end manhattan beach

3236
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:56,100
council representative and I currently

3237
02:28:56,100 --> 02:28:59,100
am the north manhattan council

3238
02:29:00,100 --> 02:29:03,100
representative and it's been so

3239
02:29:03,100 --> 02:29:05,100
wonderful and I'm so grateful that I

3240
02:29:05,100 --> 02:29:08,601
was appointed to that position mr,

3241
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:12,100
mayor, because it's been a long time

3242
02:29:12,100 --> 02:29:15,100
since I've had that position.

3243
02:29:15,100 --> 02:29:19,100
I think back when I was a baby, I was

3244
02:29:19,100 --> 02:29:23,100
on and it was a very -- you were

3245
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:25,100
probably, steve, the staffer, and it

3246
02:29:25,100 --> 02:29:27,100
was a very different organization.

3247
02:29:27,100 --> 02:29:30,100
I don't know if it's jill, I don't

3248
02:29:30,100 --> 02:29:33,100
know if it's tim, I don't know, but

3249
02:29:33,100 --> 02:29:36,100
I'll tell you what, this

3250
02:29:38,100 --> 02:29:40,100
organization is really upping its game

3251
02:29:40,100 --> 02:29:43,100
trying to really professional and make

3252
02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:47,801
the best of what they can and what

3253
02:29:49,100 --> 02:29:52,100
I've come to understand, just

3254
02:29:56,100 --> 02:29:57,100
understanding the variety and beauty

3255
02:29:57,100 --> 02:29:58,100
of the small businesses in north

3256
02:29:58,100 --> 02:30:01,100
manhattan beach has been so much fun.

3257
02:30:01,100 --> 02:30:03,100
also it was represented earlier

3258
02:30:03,100 --> 02:30:06,100
tonight when we do the pier lighting,

3259
02:30:06,100 --> 02:30:09,100
that's when downtown gets to do their

3260
02:30:09,100 --> 02:30:12,100
holiday open house, it's considered a

3261
02:30:12,100 --> 02:30:14,100
city event basically.

3262
02:30:14,100 --> 02:30:18,100
so, they get all the benefit of that

3263
02:30:18,100 --> 02:30:20,100
excitement and energy and people

3264
02:30:20,100 --> 02:30:22,100
coming into their stores without

3265
02:30:22,100 --> 02:30:26,100
having to go through this process and

3266
02:30:26,100 --> 02:30:30,100
it is sort of an unfair advantage and

3267
02:30:30,100 --> 02:30:34,100
so -- and it's such a much smaller

3268
02:30:34,100 --> 02:30:37,100
event in the north end and yet for

3269
02:30:37,100 --> 02:30:40,100
them to support it all would not be

3270
02:30:40,100 --> 02:30:44,100
tenable for them and this is an

3271
02:30:44,100 --> 02:30:46,100
opportunity to help maybe level up the

3272
02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:48,100
playing field a little bit for them.

3273
02:30:48,100 --> 02:30:51,100
I mean, they do feel neglected and I

3274
02:30:51,100 --> 02:30:53,100
was at -- and I don't mean that in a

3275
02:30:53,100 --> 02:30:56,100
victim kind of way, I mean, they are

3276
02:30:56,100 --> 02:30:59,100
working hard to help their area and

3277
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:02,100
beautify their area and I think we all

3278
02:31:02,100 --> 02:31:04,100
know that.

3279
02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:07,401
I was going to

3280
02:31:13,100 --> 02:31:15,100
say something so profound, I

3281
02:31:15,100 --> 02:31:16,100
really was.

3282
02:31:16,100 --> 02:31:18,100
but this event means so much to them,

3283
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:21,100
you also have the manhattan downtown

3284
02:31:21,100 --> 02:31:23,100
beach association that has the

3285
02:31:23,100 --> 02:31:24,100
farmers' market, that's how they make

3286
02:31:24,100 --> 02:31:26,100
money to fund their organization and

3287
02:31:26,100 --> 02:31:28,100
put own vents.

3288
02:31:28,100 --> 02:31:32,100
this the north end has nothing like

3289
02:31:32,100 --> 02:31:33,100
thab.

3290
02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:36,100
so, I really hope we can find a way to

3291
02:31:36,100 --> 02:31:37,100
support this.

3292
02:31:37,100 --> 02:31:38,100
the parking lot, this is what I was

3293
02:31:38,100 --> 02:31:40,100
going to mention.

3294
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:43,100
so, we had a couple of years ago

3295
02:31:43,100 --> 02:31:46,100
parking lot 3 was finally closed,

3296
02:31:46,100 --> 02:31:49,100
condemned and we had a crisis where we

3297
02:31:49,100 --> 02:31:51,100
had to close it, demolish it,

3298
02:31:51,100 --> 02:31:53,100
resurface it, right.

3299
02:31:53,100 --> 02:31:56,100
well, look at parking lot 4 up in the

3300
02:31:56,100 --> 02:31:58,100
north end, reason I bring it up is

3301
02:31:58,100 --> 02:32:02,100
they see all these things happening in

3302
02:32:02,100 --> 02:32:06,201
downtown and if we're really going to

3303
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:09,100
support small businesses and locally

3304
02:32:09,100 --> 02:32:11,100
owned businesses, I think we have to

3305
02:32:11,100 --> 02:32:14,100
really do the same up in the north

3306
02:32:14,100 --> 02:32:18,201
end, so I'll be supporting this too.

3307
02:32:19,100 --> 02:32:20,100
>> councilmember charelian?

3308
02:32:20,100 --> 02:32:23,100
>> thank you, I'll keep it

3309
02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:24,100
short and brief.

3310
02:32:24,100 --> 02:32:26,100
no one's doubting that last year's

3311
02:32:26,100 --> 02:32:27,100
event wasn't great.

3312
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:30,100
I think it was wonderful and well put

3313
02:32:30,100 --> 02:32:33,100
together and everyone wants the north

3314
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:36,100
manhattan beach businesses to succeed

3315
02:32:37,100 --> 02:32:39,100
and campaigning small businesses, yes.

3316
02:32:39,100 --> 02:32:41,100
the last year this was a pilot

3317
02:32:41,100 --> 02:32:45,100
program, it was brought to us and we

3318
02:32:45,100 --> 02:32:47,100
opened our arms and said we'll give

3319
02:32:47,100 --> 02:32:51,100
you the money, we'll bridge that gap,

3320
02:32:51,100 --> 02:32:54,100
not a problem, but whether you come

3321
02:32:54,100 --> 02:32:56,100
back next year, help us find a

3322
02:32:56,100 --> 02:32:58,100
solution to not -- don't make it a

3323
02:32:58,100 --> 02:33:00,100
precedent somewhat.

3324
02:33:00,100 --> 02:33:06,100
and I get it, I get burn rate of the

3325
02:33:07,100 --> 02:33:08,100
reserves that the gentleman brought

3326
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:09,100
up, up there, and I do support this

3327
02:33:09,100 --> 02:33:10,100
event.

3328
02:33:10,100 --> 02:33:11,100
I'm just trying to be fiscally

3329
02:33:11,100 --> 02:33:14,100
conservative due to the fact that we

3330
02:33:14,100 --> 02:33:16,100
just, you know, times aren't as

3331
02:33:16,100 --> 02:33:20,100
well as they were and revenues for us

3332
02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:23,100
are -- whoever looked at the financial

3333
02:33:23,100 --> 02:33:25,100
report that the finance director put

3334
02:33:25,100 --> 02:33:29,100
out was on consent, it shows the

3335
02:33:29,100 --> 02:33:32,100
revenues and our major core

3336
02:33:32,100 --> 02:33:35,100
revenues, property taxes are down, so

3337
02:33:35,100 --> 02:33:38,100
again, I support everything about

3338
02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:41,100
this, I'm having a hard time wrapping

3339
02:33:41,100 --> 02:33:44,100
my arms around the me too clause with

3340
02:33:44,100 --> 02:33:46,100
the downtown, it's great, I've been

3341
02:33:46,100 --> 02:33:48,100
there, I've been a delegate as an

3342
02:33:48,100 --> 02:33:51,100
employee and as a councilman for many

3343
02:33:51,100 --> 02:33:53,100
years, I'm trying to be fiscally

3344
02:33:53,100 --> 02:33:55,100
conservative, I want to try to get

3345
02:33:55,100 --> 02:33:56,100
there.

3346
02:33:56,100 --> 02:33:58,100
last year we allowed it and paid for

3347
02:33:58,100 --> 02:34:00,100
it and said come up for a solution

3348
02:34:00,100 --> 02:34:04,201
next year and now we're having this

3349
02:34:06,100 --> 02:34:07,100
conversation again, so I'm trying to

3350
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:08,100
be fiscally conservative and not just

3351
02:34:08,100 --> 02:34:09,100
approving money going out the door.

3352
02:34:09,100 --> 02:34:12,100
but for a great cause.

3353
02:34:14,100 --> 02:34:15,100
>> so, --

3354
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:17,100
>> mayor, I think the finance director

3355
02:34:17,100 --> 02:34:18,100
is --

3356
02:34:18,100 --> 02:34:20,100
>> if I could jump in, I wanted to

3357
02:34:20,100 --> 02:34:22,100
address one thing on the other end of

3358
02:34:22,100 --> 02:34:25,100
financial reports for june, those are

3359
02:34:25,100 --> 02:34:26,100
preliminary monthly financial reports,

3360
02:34:26,100 --> 02:34:29,100
we have a 60 day accrual period

3361
02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:31,100
where we're still accruing revenue

3362
02:34:31,100 --> 02:34:33,100
back to the prior fiscal year and

3363
02:34:33,100 --> 02:34:36,601
last year in 2025, we changed our

3364
02:34:37,100 --> 02:34:40,100
accrual accounting methodology so that

3365
02:34:40,100 --> 02:34:43,100
is one of the reasons why the -- if

3366
02:34:43,100 --> 02:34:46,100
you're referring to sales tax, tot tax

3367
02:34:46,100 --> 02:34:48,100
and I think business license tax, it

3368
02:34:48,100 --> 02:34:50,100
looks like it's down compared to last

3369
02:34:50,100 --> 02:34:52,100
year, that's because we still have

3370
02:34:52,100 --> 02:34:53,100
more entries that will be accrued back

3371
02:34:53,100 --> 02:34:55,100
to june, so I didn't want to anybody

3372
02:34:55,100 --> 02:34:58,100
hear that statement and be alarmed

3373
02:34:58,100 --> 02:35:00,100
that something was down considerably

3374
02:35:00,100 --> 02:35:04,100
from the prior years but thank you for

3375
02:35:04,100 --> 02:35:07,100
your point so that we are operating on

3376
02:35:07,100 --> 02:35:08,100
a very tight budget this year and

3377
02:35:08,100 --> 02:35:09,100
every penny counts, thank you.

3378
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:11,100
>> thank you.

3379
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:15,100
so, I think with a little bit more

3380
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:18,100
effort that money can be raised among

3381
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:21,100
the businesses and even private

3382
02:35:21,100 --> 02:35:22,100
parties.

3383
02:35:22,100 --> 02:35:26,801
hey, you had a great time, help pitch

3384
02:35:28,100 --> 02:35:30,100
in.

3385
02:35:30,100 --> 02:35:31,100
you want to see the event again, you

3386
02:35:31,100 --> 02:35:32,100
know, help us out.

3387
02:35:32,100 --> 02:35:36,801
make a certain night of -- at the

3388
02:35:39,100 --> 02:35:40,100
restaurants of the holiday stroll

3389
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:41,100
night to help fund.

3390
02:35:41,100 --> 02:35:42,100
I mean, really sort of get the

3391
02:35:42,100 --> 02:35:45,601
neighborhood a that hasn't been tapped

3392
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:48,100
to just give a little extra or to give

3393
02:35:48,100 --> 02:35:51,100
a little bit extra, you can see how

3394
02:35:51,100 --> 02:35:53,100
that could grow to be something

3395
02:35:53,100 --> 02:35:54,100
significant.

3396
02:35:54,100 --> 02:35:58,100
it's going to be a unique programming

3397
02:35:58,100 --> 02:36:02,100
for that area, it's just so much fun,

3398
02:36:02,100 --> 02:36:06,100
full of spirit and I just think with a

3399
02:36:06,100 --> 02:36:10,100
little bit more effort and thought as

3400
02:36:10,100 --> 02:36:12,100
to raising the funds that are needed

3401
02:36:12,100 --> 02:36:16,100
to make up that deficit that the north

3402
02:36:16,100 --> 02:36:19,100
end can do that, so I think we can

3403
02:36:19,100 --> 02:36:23,201
support them to help them on this

3404
02:36:26,100 --> 02:36:28,100
process and can -- because I think

3405
02:36:28,100 --> 02:36:29,100
it's good for all the city.

3406
02:36:29,100 --> 02:36:33,100
>> if I may jump in, mayor, may I jump

3407
02:36:33,100 --> 02:36:35,100
in to address a question that was

3408
02:36:35,100 --> 02:36:36,100
posed earlier?

3409
02:36:36,100 --> 02:36:37,100
>> yes.

3410
02:36:37,100 --> 02:36:38,100
>> I just want to clarify, there are

3411
02:36:38,100 --> 02:36:40,100
two things we need, one is to

3412
02:36:40,100 --> 02:36:42,100
understand if the council wants to

3413
02:36:42,100 --> 02:36:45,100
move forward in 2026 with the closing

3414
02:36:45,100 --> 02:36:48,100
of the street and, two, I wanted to

3415
02:36:48,100 --> 02:36:50,100
clarify that the additional budget

3416
02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:53,100
appropriation that we would need to do

3417
02:36:53,100 --> 02:36:55,100
that for 2026 is 9 thousand dollars,

3418
02:36:55,100 --> 02:36:58,100
all else was budgeted for already.

3419
02:36:58,100 --> 02:37:00,100
it's that the additional third party

3420
02:37:00,100 --> 02:37:02,100
costs, so I want to make sure the

3421
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:05,100
council understands that to close in

3422
02:37:05,100 --> 02:37:07,100
2026, we would need an additional 9

3423
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:09,100
thousand dollar budget appropriation

3424
02:37:09,100 --> 02:37:12,601
and all else was already budgeted.

3425
02:37:15,100 --> 02:37:17,100
>> okay, so 9 thousand, great.

3426
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:18,100
mayor pro tem?

3427
02:37:18,100 --> 02:37:19,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor,

3428
02:37:19,100 --> 02:37:22,601
and I do appreciate us being

3429
02:37:23,100 --> 02:37:24,100
fiscally prudent.

3430
02:37:24,100 --> 02:37:26,100
I know they're having to previously

3431
02:37:26,100 --> 02:37:29,601
dip into reserves doesn't feel great.

3432
02:37:32,100 --> 02:37:33,100
however we've heard from the

3433
02:37:33,100 --> 02:37:34,100
representative from the north end,

3434
02:37:34,100 --> 02:37:37,100
we've heard from the manhattan bid,

3435
02:37:37,100 --> 02:37:39,100
they have trying and have been working

3436
02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:41,100
hard and they're doing everything they

3437
02:37:41,100 --> 02:37:46,100
can, so while I want all of us to be

3438
02:37:46,100 --> 02:37:50,100
working so we can bridge this gap, I

3439
02:37:50,100 --> 02:37:52,100
think we're asking them to shoulder

3440
02:37:52,100 --> 02:37:56,100
more of an event that we don't

3441
02:37:56,100 --> 02:37:58,100
currently ask for other similar events

3442
02:37:58,100 --> 02:38:01,100
in other parts of town.

3443
02:38:01,100 --> 02:38:05,100
so, I think going forward, if this is

3444
02:38:05,100 --> 02:38:07,100
our process, then I appreciate going

3445
02:38:07,100 --> 02:38:09,100
through the process for all the other

3446
02:38:09,100 --> 02:38:12,100
events but I do think that it's not as

3447
02:38:12,100 --> 02:38:15,100
fair for the north end if this is

3448
02:38:15,100 --> 02:38:18,100
their only event they've ever held and

3449
02:38:18,100 --> 02:38:21,100
that we're asking more of them than

3450
02:38:21,100 --> 02:38:24,601
we're asking from other event groups.

3451
02:38:31,100 --> 02:38:34,100
so, you know, I hope I -- I implore

3452
02:38:34,100 --> 02:38:36,100
that all of you consider that and as

3453
02:38:36,100 --> 02:38:39,100
jill pointed out, this is an event

3454
02:38:39,100 --> 02:38:42,100
that -- and councilmember howorth

3455
02:38:43,100 --> 02:38:47,100
pointed out is this is tho not unlike

3456
02:38:47,100 --> 02:38:51,201
the downtown open house, so the city

3457
02:38:52,100 --> 02:38:54,100
sponsors that, and so maybe in the

3458
02:38:54,100 --> 02:38:57,100
future, this could be something that

3459
02:38:57,100 --> 02:38:59,100
the city partially sponsors and that

3460
02:38:59,100 --> 02:39:02,100
we can treat the two events in a

3461
02:39:02,100 --> 02:39:03,100
similar fashion.

3462
02:39:03,100 --> 02:39:05,100
thank you.

3463
02:39:06,100 --> 02:39:08,100
>> councilmember lesser?

3464
02:39:08,100 --> 02:39:11,100
>> madam city manager, I'm not polling

3465
02:39:11,100 --> 02:39:12,100
the numbers here, I'm sorry, I know

3466
02:39:12,100 --> 02:39:14,100
I'm sort of belaboring this.

3467
02:39:14,100 --> 02:39:16,100
the staff report indicates that we

3468
02:39:16,100 --> 02:39:19,100
only need to allocate 9 thousand

3469
02:39:19,100 --> 02:39:22,601
dollars but I thought what was

3470
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:26,100
budgeted was 31 thousand 805, is that

3471
02:39:26,100 --> 02:39:27,100
right, that was the amount that was

3472
02:39:27,100 --> 02:39:28,100
budgeted previously?

3473
02:39:28,100 --> 02:39:31,100
>> so, that is the amount that's budgeted.

3474
02:39:31,100 --> 02:39:35,100
as I was explaining earlier about the

3475
02:39:35,100 --> 02:39:36,100
accounting methodology, that's what we

3476
02:39:36,100 --> 02:39:39,100
budgeted in salaries and for those

3477
02:39:39,100 --> 02:39:40,100
third party expenses but at the end of

3478
02:39:40,100 --> 02:39:43,100
the day when we come back with our

3479
02:39:43,100 --> 02:39:45,100
actual, they're going come back at

3480
02:39:45,100 --> 02:39:47,100
this higher amount because we'll be

3481
02:39:47,100 --> 02:39:49,100
using fully burdened rates so we

3482
02:39:49,100 --> 02:39:52,601
expect that the budget will absorb

3483
02:39:53,100 --> 02:39:57,201
-- it's prepared to absorb any of

3484
02:39:58,100 --> 02:40:01,100
those excess costs but what we haven't

3485
02:40:01,100 --> 02:40:02,100
budgeted for is that excess 9 thousand

3486
02:40:02,100 --> 02:40:05,100
dollars in third party expenses for

3487
02:40:05,100 --> 02:40:06,100
csc.

3488
02:40:06,100 --> 02:40:09,100
>> we're still talking about a

3489
02:40:09,100 --> 02:40:11,100
difference, I'm just doing the math

3490
02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:15,201
here, if we're expecting this to cost

3491
02:40:16,100 --> 02:40:18,401
fully burdened rates 75 thousand 189,

3492
02:40:19,100 --> 02:40:21,401
the difference between 38805 plus 9

3493
02:40:27,100 --> 02:40:29,100
thousand dollars, the adding the fully

3494
02:40:29,100 --> 02:40:30,100
burdened rates is --

3495
02:40:30,100 --> 02:40:34,100
>> I don't have that number at my

3496
02:40:34,100 --> 02:40:35,100
disposal.

3497
02:40:35,100 --> 02:40:37,100
what we're trying to say is that the

3498
02:40:37,100 --> 02:40:40,601
budget can absorb the excess staffing

3499
02:40:41,100 --> 02:40:44,100
costs that are showing on here but what

3500
02:40:44,100 --> 02:40:47,100
we really have not built anywhere in

3501
02:40:47,100 --> 02:40:50,100
the budget is this 9 thousand dollars

3502
02:40:50,100 --> 02:40:53,601
to cover the excess outside expenses.

3503
02:40:55,100 --> 02:40:59,801
>> and to add to that, so, some of

3504
02:41:00,100 --> 02:41:02,100
staffing costs are -- there's not a

3505
02:41:02,100 --> 02:41:06,201
specific line item because of -- it's

3506
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:10,100
either regular staffing hours for

3507
02:41:10,100 --> 02:41:12,100
salary and benefits and some employees

3508
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:14,100
choose to use comp time instead of

3509
02:41:14,100 --> 02:41:17,100
overtime as well, that's why it's

3510
02:41:17,100 --> 02:41:19,100
difficult, we do estimates every year,

3511
02:41:19,100 --> 02:41:21,100
sometimes especially this last year,

3512
02:41:21,100 --> 02:41:23,100
we did certainly miss the mark there

3513
02:41:23,100 --> 02:41:25,100
but it was through internal

3514
02:41:25,100 --> 02:41:27,100
discussions with public works, police,

3515
02:41:27,100 --> 02:41:29,100
fire, we did determine we feel that we

3516
02:41:29,100 --> 02:41:32,601
can absorb the costs in what's

3517
02:41:33,100 --> 02:41:34,100
currently budgeted and what we

3518
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:36,100
currently have in our current adopted

3519
02:41:36,100 --> 02:41:40,201
budget for the staff and city costs.

3520
02:41:43,100 --> 02:41:46,100
>> for my comments, I enjoyed going to

3521
02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:47,100
the holiday stroll with the road

3522
02:41:47,100 --> 02:41:50,100
closure, I had been skeptical when

3523
02:41:50,100 --> 02:41:51,100
council approved it last year.

3524
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:53,100
I've been to prior holiday strolls

3525
02:41:53,100 --> 02:41:56,100
where the road has not been closed.

3526
02:41:56,100 --> 02:41:59,100
they're not quite as much an event, we

3527
02:41:59,100 --> 02:42:00,100
indicated more people were drawn.

3528
02:42:00,100 --> 02:42:03,100
I'm concerned about the overall cost.

3529
02:42:03,100 --> 02:42:04,100
I'm concerned about it.

3530
02:42:04,100 --> 02:42:08,801
I think we need a better model here

3531
02:42:09,100 --> 02:42:10,100
to make this sustainable and to work

3532
02:42:10,100 --> 02:42:11,100
for our community.

3533
02:42:11,100 --> 02:42:14,100
I want to see an event for the north

3534
02:42:14,100 --> 02:42:15,100
end.

3535
02:42:15,100 --> 02:42:16,100
all these comments that

3536
02:42:16,100 --> 02:42:19,100
have been made the north end not

3537
02:42:19,100 --> 02:42:20,100
having a community gathering like the

3538
02:42:20,100 --> 02:42:22,100
fireworks are true.

3539
02:42:22,100 --> 02:42:25,601
I appreciate all that went into

3540
02:42:26,100 --> 02:42:27,100
creating this but this particular

3541
02:42:27,100 --> 02:42:30,100
model, the total expense are

3542
02:42:30,100 --> 02:42:34,100
problematic for me so I would welcome

3543
02:42:34,100 --> 02:42:38,801
another way to get this number to --

3544
02:42:39,100 --> 02:42:42,100
to achieve it and I'm not sure we can

3545
02:42:42,100 --> 02:42:43,100
do it this year.

3546
02:42:43,100 --> 02:42:46,100
this was a pilot this last year but

3547
02:42:46,100 --> 02:42:49,100
I'm just not seeing it for this year,

3548
02:42:49,100 --> 02:42:50,100
particularly given the amount of time

3549
02:42:50,100 --> 02:42:52,100
that's left and for the bid to have

3550
02:42:52,100 --> 02:42:54,100
another meeting if they would even

3551
02:42:54,100 --> 02:42:56,100
consider another meeting so I'm

3552
02:42:56,100 --> 02:42:58,100
skeptical of moving forward at this

3553
02:42:58,100 --> 02:43:00,100
point with the road closures and would

3554
02:43:00,100 --> 02:43:02,100
be supportive of moving forward with

3555
02:43:02,100 --> 02:43:04,100
the holiday stroll as way it was the

3556
02:43:04,100 --> 02:43:06,100
year before last.

3557
02:43:07,100 --> 02:43:08,100
>> councilmember howorth?

3558
02:43:08,100 --> 02:43:10,100
>> thank you, mr. Mayor.

3559
02:43:10,100 --> 02:43:12,100
so, again though, we're being asked if

3560
02:43:12,100 --> 02:43:16,801
we want to do the road closure, it

3561
02:43:17,100 --> 02:43:19,401
would be appropriating another 9

3562
02:43:21,100 --> 02:43:25,100
thousand dollars and I just think that

3563
02:43:25,100 --> 02:43:27,100
we -- I support that, I think we can

3564
02:43:27,100 --> 02:43:28,100
can absorb that.

3565
02:43:28,100 --> 02:43:30,100
I think one thing to consider is with

3566
02:43:30,100 --> 02:43:32,100
the road closure and I'm going to look

3567
02:43:32,100 --> 02:43:36,100
at the fire chief and you can -- why

3568
02:43:36,100 --> 02:43:38,100
don't you come down here, I was going

3569
02:43:38,100 --> 02:43:40,100
to say blink your eyes if you

3570
02:43:40,100 --> 02:43:42,100
understand and then I was going to

3571
02:43:42,100 --> 02:43:45,100
give that to the public.

3572
02:43:45,100 --> 02:43:49,100
I have to assume that closing off the

3573
02:43:49,100 --> 02:43:54,100
road is a safer way to do this in addition

3574
02:43:54,100 --> 02:43:55,100
to allowing for more room, but doesn't

3575
02:43:55,100 --> 02:43:58,100
that provide a different level of

3576
02:43:58,100 --> 02:44:00,100
safety for folks who are there?

3577
02:44:00,100 --> 02:44:03,100
>> so, if you are going allow people

3578
02:44:03,100 --> 02:44:06,100
on the roadway, absolutely, yes.

3579
02:44:08,100 --> 02:44:11,100
>> alright, but the question is to --

3580
02:44:11,100 --> 02:44:13,100
if you're having people on the

3581
02:44:13,100 --> 02:44:14,100
sidewalks and there's lots of people

3582
02:44:14,100 --> 02:44:17,100
walking around but you have the normal

3583
02:44:17,100 --> 02:44:20,100
traffic going through, it seems like

3584
02:44:20,100 --> 02:44:21,100
--

3585
02:44:21,100 --> 02:44:22,100
>> definitely helps but with that

3586
02:44:22,100 --> 02:44:26,201
style of road closure, you values to

3587
02:44:27,100 --> 02:44:29,100
have the appropriate barriers in

3588
02:44:29,100 --> 02:44:32,601
place, special events that we've seen

3589
02:44:34,100 --> 02:44:37,100
has have sub barriers if place and

3590
02:44:37,100 --> 02:44:40,100
then people drive around them and then

3591
02:44:40,100 --> 02:44:42,100
you see disaster situations that

3592
02:44:42,100 --> 02:44:43,100
you've seen throughout the nation.

3593
02:44:43,100 --> 02:44:46,100
>> not going to happen here.

3594
02:44:46,100 --> 02:44:49,100
>> chief johnson, where is she?

3595
02:44:49,100 --> 02:44:51,100
>> okay, yes, mr. Mayor, can I finish

3596
02:44:51,100 --> 02:44:53,100
comments after we hear from chief

3597
02:44:53,100 --> 02:44:54,100
johnson.

3598
02:44:54,100 --> 02:44:56,100
>> of course, yeah.

3599
02:44:56,100 --> 02:44:58,100
>> good evening from my office, mayor

3600
02:44:58,100 --> 02:45:00,100
franklin and members of the city

3601
02:45:00,100 --> 02:45:04,100
council, I apologize for not being in

3602
02:45:04,100 --> 02:45:05,100
chambers right now, what the fire

3603
02:45:05,100 --> 02:45:09,100
chief was talking about with regard to

3604
02:45:09,100 --> 02:45:12,100
road closures, if you're going to have

3605
02:45:12,100 --> 02:45:15,100
people near the roadways, it's always

3606
02:45:15,100 --> 02:45:19,201
safer to close the road, we've seen

3607
02:45:21,100 --> 02:45:22,100
things like meridian barriers and

3608
02:45:22,100 --> 02:45:23,100
things like that to prevent any

3609
02:45:23,100 --> 02:45:25,100
intrusion into the closed portion of

3610
02:45:25,100 --> 02:45:28,100
the roadway, whether that's someone

3611
02:45:28,100 --> 02:45:31,100
who's just following waze, we take a

3612
02:45:31,100 --> 02:45:34,100
strong posture with closing a roadway

3613
02:45:34,100 --> 02:45:36,100
and making sure it's closed properly

3614
02:45:36,100 --> 02:45:39,100
which require things like meridian

3615
02:45:39,100 --> 02:45:40,100
barriers and people to provide that

3616
02:45:40,100 --> 02:45:43,100
direction as necessary and to mitigate

3617
02:45:43,100 --> 02:45:44,100
any traffic issues as they occur

3618
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:45,100
around the closure.

3619
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:48,100
>> thank you, so yeah, given

3620
02:45:50,100 --> 02:45:51,100
everything we've talked about tonight,

3621
02:45:51,100 --> 02:45:53,100
it is a strange thing to say this one

3622
02:45:53,100 --> 02:45:55,100
we're not going to appropriate like

3623
02:45:55,100 --> 02:45:57,100
this 9 thousand dollars.

3624
02:45:59,100 --> 02:46:01,100
we've already appropriated the other

3625
02:46:01,100 --> 02:46:02,100
things they're budgeted for and for

3626
02:46:02,100 --> 02:46:05,100
all the reasons I mentioned and I

3627
02:46:05,100 --> 02:46:07,100
certainly don't want the take anything

3628
02:46:07,100 --> 02:46:10,100
away from the downtown and I'm glad of

3629
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:12,100
all the support that we give them and

3630
02:46:12,100 --> 02:46:13,100
continue to give them.

3631
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:17,100
I just think this is more important

3632
02:46:17,100 --> 02:46:19,100
and I realize it now, I think it's more

3633
02:46:19,100 --> 02:46:22,100
important to this area that we do this

3634
02:46:22,100 --> 02:46:26,100
so I have seconded the motion and I

3635
02:46:26,100 --> 02:46:28,100
think what the president mentioned is

3636
02:46:28,100 --> 02:46:31,100
if we approve this, it givers them

3637
02:46:31,100 --> 02:46:35,100
more of a chance to get sponsorships

3638
02:46:35,100 --> 02:46:38,100
whereas if they start now, they can

3639
02:46:38,100 --> 02:46:40,100
advertise, they can do this, they can

3640
02:46:40,100 --> 02:46:43,100
make this happen and maybe they'll be

3641
02:46:43,100 --> 02:46:47,100
able to make enough to cover their

3642
02:46:47,100 --> 02:46:48,100
costs and start contributing to ours.

3643
02:46:48,100 --> 02:46:53,100
but as a city, we are always going to

3644
02:46:53,100 --> 02:46:56,100
make sure that any permitted event

3645
02:46:56,100 --> 02:46:58,100
that's happening is safe.

3646
02:46:58,100 --> 02:47:00,100
we're never going let anything not be

3647
02:47:00,100 --> 02:47:03,100
safe or not live up to our standards

3648
02:47:03,100 --> 02:47:06,100
so we're going to do that regardless

3649
02:47:06,100 --> 02:47:07,100
of what they do.

3650
02:47:07,100 --> 02:47:10,100
anyway, I will be supporting this and

3651
02:47:10,100 --> 02:47:12,100
I'm excited about it.

3652
02:47:12,100 --> 02:47:13,100
>> mayor pro tem?

3653
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:15,100
>> thank you mr, mayor, and I'm

3654
02:47:15,100 --> 02:47:18,100
listening to my colleagues, I

3655
02:47:19,100 --> 02:47:21,100
understand councilmember lesser's

3656
02:47:21,100 --> 02:47:24,100
concerns, you know, that we did start

3657
02:47:24,100 --> 02:47:25,100
this as pilot program.

3658
02:47:25,100 --> 02:47:29,201
one of measures of the pilot program

3659
02:47:30,100 --> 02:47:34,100
to me, we want the event to be

3660
02:47:34,100 --> 02:47:36,100
self-sustaining, we want -- many of

3661
02:47:36,100 --> 02:47:39,100
our events can't be self-sustaining

3662
02:47:39,100 --> 02:47:42,100
and we have to subsidize.

3663
02:47:42,100 --> 02:47:44,100
one of the thins the manhattan bid is

3664
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:46,100
asking here, the measure of success

3665
02:47:46,100 --> 02:47:50,100
that I saw was successful, there was

3666
02:47:50,100 --> 02:47:51,100
huge community participation, people

3667
02:47:51,100 --> 02:47:53,100
who lived in the area who were able

3668
02:47:53,100 --> 02:47:55,100
to walk down who didn't have to driver

3669
02:47:55,100 --> 02:47:59,100
down and as someone who has attended

3670
02:47:59,100 --> 02:48:02,100
the many, many years of these events

3671
02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:04,100
in the past with kids in strollers and

3672
02:48:04,100 --> 02:48:08,100
with young kids, I can tell you there

3673
02:48:08,100 --> 02:48:10,100
were years where I have some kids who

3674
02:48:10,100 --> 02:48:12,100
weren't as good listeners as other of

3675
02:48:12,100 --> 02:48:16,100
my kids who I can't take down there

3676
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:17,100
because there were --

3677
02:48:17,100 --> 02:48:19,100
>> christopher?

3678
02:48:20,100 --> 02:48:22,100
>> yes, sorry.

3679
02:48:22,100 --> 02:48:25,601
good thing he's not listening today.

3680
02:48:26,100 --> 02:48:29,100
so, we couldn't go when he hit a

3681
02:48:29,100 --> 02:48:31,100
certain year because he didn't want to

3682
02:48:31,100 --> 02:48:33,100
hold my hand, he wouldn't sit in the

3683
02:48:33,100 --> 02:48:35,100
stroller and he waned to be walking

3684
02:48:35,100 --> 02:48:39,100
and it is very, very difficult to have

3685
02:48:39,100 --> 02:48:42,100
all those cars congested sidewalks

3686
02:48:44,100 --> 02:48:45,100
with strollers, double strollers and

3687
02:48:45,100 --> 02:48:47,100
if you have more than one kid that

3688
02:48:47,100 --> 02:48:51,201
you're in channeled of, -- charge of,

3689
02:48:53,100 --> 02:48:55,100
it is very did difficult for those

3690
02:48:55,100 --> 02:48:58,100
families to bring their family down to

3691
02:48:58,100 --> 02:49:01,100
the a truly community local event

3692
02:49:01,100 --> 02:49:03,100
without safety measures as we

3693
02:49:03,100 --> 02:49:05,100
mentioned, a closed street is a much

3694
02:49:05,100 --> 02:49:08,100
safer street for families for a

3695
02:49:08,100 --> 02:49:09,100
community event.

3696
02:49:09,100 --> 02:49:12,100
so, I implore you to reconsider that

3697
02:49:12,100 --> 02:49:16,100
and then support that so I do have a

3698
02:49:16,100 --> 02:49:20,100
motion and I know that there are other

3699
02:49:20,100 --> 02:49:22,100
councilmembers who will be speaking

3700
02:49:22,100 --> 02:49:24,100
but my motion is to approve the

3701
02:49:24,100 --> 02:49:26,100
road closure and appropriate 9

3702
02:49:26,100 --> 02:49:29,100
thousand dollars is what it takes for

3703
02:49:29,100 --> 02:49:32,100
this event to continue and I probably

3704
02:49:32,100 --> 02:49:34,100
shouldn't make comments in between my

3705
02:49:34,100 --> 02:49:36,100
motion, for the unbudgeted third party

3706
02:49:36,100 --> 02:49:39,100
costs and third party costs up to 12

3707
02:49:39,100 --> 02:49:42,100
thousand 500 to be paid by the north

3708
02:49:42,100 --> 02:49:44,100
manhattan beach bid.

3709
02:49:46,100 --> 02:49:49,100
>> do you want me to go first so you

3710
02:49:49,100 --> 02:49:51,100
can go last?

3711
02:49:51,100 --> 02:49:53,401
>> no, I'll go now.

3712
02:49:54,100 --> 02:49:57,100
is it possible to have the two the

3713
02:49:57,100 --> 02:49:58,100
business sections work together?

3714
02:49:58,100 --> 02:50:02,801
I mean, it really became -- you know,

3715
02:50:03,100 --> 02:50:05,100
what councilmember howorth said about

3716
02:50:05,100 --> 02:50:07,100
the holiday open house, that is a

3717
02:50:07,100 --> 02:50:09,100
super charged event.

3718
02:50:09,100 --> 02:50:13,100
we got the same thing, we got the road

3719
02:50:13,100 --> 02:50:15,100
closures, we have a great holiday

3720
02:50:15,100 --> 02:50:18,601
spirit, there's just a lot of

3721
02:50:22,100 --> 02:50:24,401
activities, families, things like

3722
02:50:25,100 --> 02:50:28,100
that, if we can get the two presidents

3723
02:50:28,100 --> 02:50:30,100
together and see if the they can help

3724
02:50:30,100 --> 02:50:31,100
each other out.

3725
02:50:31,100 --> 02:50:34,100
I don't think there's overt

3726
02:50:34,100 --> 02:50:35,100
competition among them.

3727
02:50:35,100 --> 02:50:37,100
they're all serving the same purpose.

3728
02:50:37,100 --> 02:50:39,100
I think the downtown has to understand

3729
02:50:39,100 --> 02:50:41,100
that people come from north manhattan

3730
02:50:41,100 --> 02:50:45,201
beach and come into downtown and spend

3731
02:50:48,100 --> 02:50:49,100
money.

3732
02:50:49,100 --> 02:50:50,100
I'm not going say can we track it, but

3733
02:50:50,100 --> 02:50:51,100
maybe just make it more of a -- I

3734
02:50:51,100 --> 02:50:54,601
don't want to say a kumbaya

3735
02:50:59,100 --> 02:51:00,100
movement but sit around the table and

3736
02:51:00,100 --> 02:51:03,100
I'm in favor of approving the 9

3737
02:51:03,100 --> 02:51:04,100
thousand dollars, going forward, I

3738
02:51:04,100 --> 02:51:08,100
think we have to look at it as a

3739
02:51:08,100 --> 02:51:10,401
homogeneous enterprise, it's all

3740
02:51:12,100 --> 02:51:13,100
business in manhattan beach.

3741
02:51:13,100 --> 02:51:16,100
if one area has to help the other, I

3742
02:51:16,100 --> 02:51:20,100
think it's for the good of everybody,

3743
02:51:20,100 --> 02:51:21,100
that's my thought there.

3744
02:51:21,100 --> 02:51:23,100
>> should we call for the question?

3745
02:51:23,100 --> 02:51:25,100
>> can I go now?

3746
02:51:25,100 --> 02:51:26,100
>> sorry.

3747
02:51:26,100 --> 02:51:27,100
>> thank you, mayor, real quick.

3748
02:51:27,100 --> 02:51:30,100
and I agree with the mayor pro tem as

3749
02:51:30,100 --> 02:51:31,100
she indicated.

3750
02:51:31,100 --> 02:51:33,100
it's a lot safer with the streets

3751
02:51:33,100 --> 02:51:34,100
closed.

3752
02:51:34,100 --> 02:51:36,100
I was hesitant to take my kids prior

3753
02:51:36,100 --> 02:51:39,100
to the streets being closed and it's

3754
02:51:39,100 --> 02:51:41,100
no-brainer, you have santa on one side

3755
02:51:41,100 --> 02:51:46,100
and the cot tan -- cotton candy on the

3756
02:51:46,100 --> 02:51:48,100
other side and you have to cross

3757
02:51:48,100 --> 02:51:49,100
highland.

3758
02:51:49,100 --> 02:51:50,100
I do feel supporting the closure of the

3759
02:51:50,100 --> 02:51:53,601
streets and this is an immediate

3760
02:51:55,100 --> 02:51:56,100
infusion during the holiday season to

3761
02:51:56,100 --> 02:51:57,100
north end businesses.

3762
02:51:57,100 --> 02:52:00,100
if each person down head count, I

3763
02:52:00,100 --> 02:52:02,100
think I heard 3 thousand dollars, if

3764
02:52:02,100 --> 02:52:04,100
you take $50, it's 150 thousand

3765
02:52:04,100 --> 02:52:06,100
dollars in revenue for those small

3766
02:52:06,100 --> 02:52:08,100
businesses for one night, simple math,

3767
02:52:08,100 --> 02:52:11,100
it could be less, could be more, being

3768
02:52:11,100 --> 02:52:12,100
conservative as I always typically

3769
02:52:12,100 --> 02:52:16,100
have been, so I do support the road

3770
02:52:16,100 --> 02:52:17,100
closure.

3771
02:52:17,100 --> 02:52:18,100
I think it's important for public

3772
02:52:18,100 --> 02:52:21,100
safety, you heard from the fire chief,

3773
02:52:21,100 --> 02:52:23,100
the police chief, it makes no sense to

3774
02:52:23,100 --> 02:52:26,100
have an event given that public

3775
02:52:26,100 --> 02:52:27,100
safety.

3776
02:52:27,100 --> 02:52:28,100
I think there was a little train, we

3777
02:52:28,100 --> 02:52:31,100
couldn't get on the train, there was

3778
02:52:31,100 --> 02:52:34,100
so many people in line, I support the

3779
02:52:34,100 --> 02:52:37,100
safety aspect and the road closure.

3780
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:39,100
>> cows member lesser?

3781
02:52:40,100 --> 02:52:42,100
>> I'm trying to get to yes.

3782
02:52:42,100 --> 02:52:44,401
fiscally I'm skeptical, I

3783
02:52:48,100 --> 02:52:50,100
have huge problems, I look at the last

3784
02:52:50,100 --> 02:52:53,100
item we considered in bifurcating the

3785
02:52:53,100 --> 02:52:55,100
whole larger question of subsidies.

3786
02:52:55,100 --> 02:52:57,100
one of the evaluation criteria is

3787
02:52:57,100 --> 02:52:58,100
community benefit.

3788
02:52:58,100 --> 02:53:00,100
we have to put some numbers to that

3789
02:53:00,100 --> 02:53:03,100
and that's what we're doing here, I'm

3790
02:53:03,100 --> 02:53:05,100
hearing the comment about public

3791
02:53:05,100 --> 02:53:06,100
safety.

3792
02:53:06,100 --> 02:53:07,100
I'm troubled by the overall number but

3793
02:53:07,100 --> 02:53:10,601
I'm also hearing that I takes 9

3794
02:53:11,100 --> 02:53:12,100
thousand more.

3795
02:53:12,100 --> 02:53:14,100
I will be off council but I would

3796
02:53:14,100 --> 02:53:17,100
encourage those that follow to really

3797
02:53:17,100 --> 02:53:19,100
be realistic about our overall spend

3798
02:53:19,100 --> 02:53:21,100
on these types of programs.

3799
02:53:21,100 --> 02:53:23,100
I'm willing to support it with regard

3800
02:53:23,100 --> 02:53:26,100
to the public safety comments and the

3801
02:53:26,100 --> 02:53:28,100
public and community benefit angle but

3802
02:53:28,100 --> 02:53:30,100
I think we need to be honest and look

3803
02:53:30,100 --> 02:53:33,100
at the totality of what we're spending

3804
02:53:33,100 --> 02:53:35,100
and really push the ideal particularly

3805
02:53:35,100 --> 02:53:39,100
with this event on the need for more

3806
02:53:39,100 --> 02:53:42,601
support from sponsors as the mayor

3807
02:53:45,100 --> 02:53:46,100
indicated.

3808
02:53:46,100 --> 02:53:48,100
>> no more speakers.

3809
02:53:49,100 --> 02:53:53,801
we have a motion to accept by mayor

3810
02:53:54,100 --> 02:53:57,100
pro tem tarnay and seconded by

3811
02:53:57,100 --> 02:53:59,100
councilmember howorth.

3812
02:54:05,100 --> 02:54:07,100
to approve and appropriate the 9

3813
02:54:07,100 --> 02:54:08,100
thousand dollars.

3814
02:54:08,100 --> 02:54:10,100
>> yes, that's my motion.

3815
02:54:10,100 --> 02:54:12,100
>> keep looking for sponsors.

3816
02:54:12,100 --> 02:54:15,601
>> I think we can all help.

3817
02:54:16,100 --> 02:54:18,100
>> motion passes 5-0.

3818
02:54:20,100 --> 02:54:22,100
>> okay.

3819
02:54:30,100 --> 02:54:33,100
>> moving on to -- okay.

3820
02:54:39,100 --> 02:54:42,100
alright, your final decision I think

3821
02:54:42,100 --> 02:54:45,100
for the night concerns the holiday

3822
02:54:45,100 --> 02:54:46,100
fireworks.

3823
02:54:46,100 --> 02:54:49,100
the chamber of commerce has assumed

3824
02:54:49,100 --> 02:54:50,100
responsibility for organizing they

3825
02:54:50,100 --> 02:54:51,100
vent.

3826
02:54:51,100 --> 02:54:52,100
we appreciate their willingness to

3827
02:54:52,100 --> 02:54:54,100
take on this longstanding community

3828
02:54:54,100 --> 02:54:55,100
tradition.

3829
02:54:55,100 --> 02:54:56,100
the request before council from the

3830
02:54:56,100 --> 02:54:59,100
the chamber is for the city to

3831
02:54:59,100 --> 02:55:01,100
subsidize all city service expenses

3832
02:55:01,100 --> 02:55:03,100
and all third party costs ordered by

3833
02:55:03,100 --> 02:55:05,100
the city.

3834
02:55:05,100 --> 02:55:08,100
for 2026, the estimated value of city

3835
02:55:08,100 --> 02:55:10,100
staff and services is approximately

3836
02:55:10,100 --> 02:55:12,100
187 thousand dollars, third party

3837
02:55:12,100 --> 02:55:14,100
public safety expenses are estimated

3838
02:55:14,100 --> 02:55:16,401
at approximately 73 thousand dollars

3839
02:55:17,100 --> 02:55:19,100
with another about 8 thousand dollars

3840
02:55:19,100 --> 02:55:22,100
in other third party expenses.

3841
02:55:22,100 --> 02:55:24,100
and those other third party expenses

3842
02:55:24,100 --> 02:55:27,601
are like bicycle fencing and porta

3843
02:55:30,100 --> 02:55:32,100
potties, the chamber's direct expenses

3844
02:55:32,100 --> 02:55:34,100
are approximately 180 thousand dollars

3845
02:55:34,100 --> 02:55:36,100
bringing the total cost to supporting

3846
02:55:36,100 --> 02:55:39,100
the event the to approximately 439

3847
02:55:39,100 --> 02:55:40,100
thousand dollars.

3848
02:55:40,100 --> 02:55:42,100
I think it's important to distinguish

3849
02:55:42,100 --> 02:55:45,601
between those amounts, the chamber is

3850
02:55:47,100 --> 02:55:49,100
responsible for the 180 thousand

3851
02:55:49,100 --> 02:55:51,100
dollars in event production expenses.

3852
02:55:51,100 --> 02:55:52,100
the question before the council

3853
02:55:52,100 --> 02:55:54,100
tonight is how much of the city

3854
02:55:54,100 --> 02:55:56,100
services and third party expenses

3855
02:55:56,100 --> 02:55:58,100
associated with supporting the event

3856
02:55:58,100 --> 02:56:01,100
should be subsidized by the city.

3857
02:56:01,100 --> 02:56:02,100
historically the council has approved

3858
02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:05,100
a 10 thousand cap specifically for

3859
02:56:06,100 --> 02:56:08,100
third party public safety expenses for

3860
02:56:08,100 --> 02:56:11,100
the fireworks so meridian barriers and

3861
02:56:11,100 --> 02:56:12,100
csc staffing.

3862
02:56:12,100 --> 02:56:14,100
the chamber has indicated that given

3863
02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:16,100
the financial and administrative

3864
02:56:16,100 --> 02:56:18,100
responsible associated with producing

3865
02:56:18,100 --> 02:56:20,100
the event, continued management may

3866
02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:22,100
not be feasible if it's required to

3867
02:56:22,100 --> 02:56:25,601
absorb any third party costs, as

3868
02:56:26,100 --> 02:56:29,601
staff has identified three options, is

3869
02:56:30,100 --> 02:56:31,100
asking you to make the decision,

3870
02:56:31,100 --> 02:56:33,100
option 1 would subsidize all city

3871
02:56:33,100 --> 02:56:35,100
services and all third party costs

3872
02:56:35,100 --> 02:56:39,201
with the city responsible for the full

3873
02:56:41,100 --> 02:56:42,100
cost of the event.

3874
02:56:42,100 --> 02:56:43,100
option 2 would subsidize city services

3875
02:56:43,100 --> 02:56:45,100
and maintain the existing 10

3876
02:56:45,100 --> 02:56:47,100
thousand dollar cap specifically for

3877
02:56:47,100 --> 02:56:48,100
third party public safety costs.

3878
02:56:48,100 --> 02:56:50,100
the chamber would be responsible for

3879
02:56:50,100 --> 02:56:52,401
any additional party costs.

3880
02:56:56,100 --> 02:56:57,100
option 3 would subsidize city services

3881
02:56:57,100 --> 02:57:00,100
and establish a 10 thousand cap for

3882
02:57:00,100 --> 02:57:02,100
all third party costs rather than

3883
02:57:02,100 --> 02:57:05,100
limiting that subsidy to public safety

3884
02:57:05,100 --> 02:57:07,100
aspens and staff is requesting council

3885
02:57:07,100 --> 02:57:09,100
direction regarding the appropriate

3886
02:57:09,100 --> 02:57:12,100
subsidy for the holiday fireworks.

3887
02:57:16,100 --> 02:57:17,100
and that concludes my presentation.

3888
02:57:17,100 --> 02:57:19,100
>> okay.

3889
02:57:26,100 --> 02:57:28,100
any questions?

3890
02:57:30,100 --> 02:57:33,100
>> mr. Mayor, I'm sorry, once again,

3891
02:57:33,100 --> 02:57:34,100
the budget packet that councilmen

3892
02:57:34,100 --> 02:57:37,100
received is not tracking the

3893
02:57:37,100 --> 02:57:39,401
presentation, it did not

3894
02:57:42,100 --> 02:57:44,100
include the total numbers.

3895
02:57:44,100 --> 02:57:46,100
linda, can you go back to the slide

3896
02:57:46,100 --> 02:57:49,100
in terms of what the costs have

3897
02:57:49,100 --> 02:57:52,601
already been allocated and what the

3898
02:57:54,100 --> 02:57:55,100
additional ask is.

3899
02:57:55,100 --> 02:57:57,100
>> we are not asking you to a

3900
02:57:57,100 --> 02:57:59,100
appropriate any additional funds for

3901
02:57:59,100 --> 02:58:01,100
the 2026 event, we're simply asking

3902
02:58:01,100 --> 02:58:04,100
what we are supposed to be billing the

3903
02:58:04,100 --> 02:58:07,100
chamber at the end of the event, so

3904
02:58:07,100 --> 02:58:09,100
even though again it's the same

3905
02:58:09,100 --> 02:58:12,100
explanation as with the holiday stroll

3906
02:58:12,100 --> 02:58:15,601
for the estimated expenses, we're not

3907
02:58:17,100 --> 02:58:19,401
changing staffing levels in

3908
02:58:20,100 --> 02:58:23,100
any way, it is expected the budget

3909
02:58:23,100 --> 02:58:25,100
will absorb any excess from last year

3910
02:58:25,100 --> 02:58:29,100
to this year because of the way we

3911
02:58:29,100 --> 02:58:30,100
budgeted, so we've already put in our

3912
02:58:30,100 --> 02:58:33,100
budget all of the third party expenses

3913
02:58:33,100 --> 02:58:35,100
to pay the third party expenses, the

3914
02:58:35,100 --> 02:58:37,100
question is whether we're going to

3915
02:58:37,100 --> 02:58:40,100
bill anything back to the chamber of

3916
02:58:40,100 --> 02:58:43,100
those third party expenses so we can

3917
02:58:43,100 --> 02:58:46,100
do 10 thousand total or 10 thousand

3918
02:58:46,100 --> 02:58:50,201
plus other third party expenses is the

3919
02:58:53,100 --> 02:58:57,201
question before you nor -- now or

3920
02:59:00,100 --> 02:59:02,100
none.

3921
02:59:02,100 --> 02:59:04,100
>> these third party expenses were

3922
02:59:04,100 --> 02:59:07,100
previously held or underwritten by the

3923
02:59:07,100 --> 02:59:10,100
prior promoter of the event?

3924
02:59:11,100 --> 02:59:12,100
>> so, back --

3925
02:59:12,100 --> 02:59:13,100
>> help me understand.

3926
02:59:13,100 --> 02:59:17,100
>> so, a few years back when pete

3927
02:59:17,100 --> 02:59:20,100
moffet was organizing the event, he

3928
02:59:20,100 --> 02:59:23,100
had this side agreement with a sponsor

3929
02:59:23,100 --> 02:59:25,100
and the sponsor with send us money, we

3930
02:59:25,100 --> 02:59:27,100
would cover those other third party

3931
02:59:27,100 --> 02:59:29,100
expenses with that money.

3932
02:59:29,100 --> 02:59:33,100
but then he passed away and that

3933
02:59:33,100 --> 02:59:36,100
responsibility went to his son who was

3934
02:59:36,100 --> 02:59:39,100
then -- we were so appreciative still

3935
02:59:39,100 --> 02:59:42,100
organizing the event and doing his

3936
02:59:42,100 --> 02:59:45,100
best but that agreement kind of

3937
02:59:45,100 --> 02:59:49,100
slipped through the cracks and so now

3938
02:59:49,100 --> 02:59:52,100
according to the special events policy, with

3939
02:59:52,100 --> 02:59:55,100
all third party expenses being the

3940
02:59:55,100 --> 02:59:58,100
responsibility of the organizer, we

3941
03:00:00,100 --> 03:00:03,100
had -- city council did approve a 10

3942
03:00:03,100 --> 03:00:05,100
thousand dollar cap but that was only

3943
03:00:05,100 --> 03:00:07,100
for public safety expenses and while

3944
03:00:07,100 --> 03:00:09,100
you could argue that bicycle fencing

3945
03:00:09,100 --> 03:00:12,100
and porta potties would be for

3946
03:00:12,100 --> 03:00:16,100
the public safety, they were not was

3947
03:00:16,100 --> 03:00:18,100
originally intended in that cap.

3948
03:00:18,100 --> 03:00:19,100
>> thank you.

3949
03:00:19,100 --> 03:00:21,100
>> okay, councilmember howorth?

3950
03:00:22,100 --> 03:00:26,100
>> I mean, it's clear as mud and

3951
03:00:26,100 --> 03:00:27,100
that's okay.

3952
03:00:27,100 --> 03:00:31,801
so, again, I'm just trying to let us

3953
03:00:34,100 --> 03:00:38,801
be or get us to be really transparent,

3954
03:00:40,100 --> 03:00:41,100
right.

3955
03:00:41,100 --> 03:00:43,100
so, it's a total cost of the event no

3956
03:00:43,100 --> 03:00:46,100
matter who's paying for it, it is an

3957
03:00:46,100 --> 03:00:49,100
amazing event that we all love, total

3958
03:00:49,100 --> 03:00:51,100
cost 439 thousand 107?

3959
03:00:51,100 --> 03:00:52,100
>> yes.

3960
03:00:52,100 --> 03:00:54,100
>> okay.

3961
03:00:57,100 --> 03:01:01,201
I mean, so, that's not what's not

3962
03:01:02,100 --> 03:01:03,100
covered by sponsorship, that is the

3963
03:01:03,100 --> 03:01:05,100
total cost to do it?

3964
03:01:05,100 --> 03:01:08,601
>> I was given the 180 thousand dollar

3965
03:01:09,100 --> 03:01:12,601
number by the chamber, that's what

3966
03:01:14,100 --> 03:01:15,100
they were required to cover last year

3967
03:01:15,100 --> 03:01:18,100
to make the event happen.

3968
03:01:18,100 --> 03:01:20,100
>> 180 plus 259, 107 equals 439107.

3969
03:01:28,100 --> 03:01:32,100
one of the options is to just

3970
03:01:32,100 --> 03:01:35,100
approve a subsidy meaning we would

3971
03:01:35,100 --> 03:01:38,100
absorb the 259 thousand dollars, and

3972
03:01:38,100 --> 03:01:39,100
you're saying that's already budgeted?

3973
03:01:39,100 --> 03:01:41,100
>> correct.

3974
03:01:42,100 --> 03:01:44,100
we do staff, because this is a known

3975
03:01:44,100 --> 03:01:46,100
event, we do budget for the staffing

3976
03:01:46,100 --> 03:01:47,100
for this event.

3977
03:01:47,100 --> 03:01:49,100
we also budget for the third party

3978
03:01:49,100 --> 03:01:51,100
expenses because we know it's coming.

3979
03:01:51,100 --> 03:01:52,100
>> got it.

3980
03:01:52,100 --> 03:01:54,100
>> okay.

3981
03:01:54,100 --> 03:01:57,100
so, again, that's important, it's

3982
03:01:58,100 --> 03:02:00,100
important just if people are watching

3983
03:02:00,100 --> 03:02:03,100
a home that we are not needing to --

3984
03:02:03,100 --> 03:02:05,100
this is not a budget adjustment.

3985
03:02:05,100 --> 03:02:06,100
>> no.

3986
03:02:06,100 --> 03:02:09,100
>> it is a philosophical discussion,

3987
03:02:09,100 --> 03:02:10,100
okay.

3988
03:02:10,100 --> 03:02:12,100
alright, thank you.

3989
03:02:14,100 --> 03:02:17,100
>> so, I have a question.

3990
03:02:17,100 --> 03:02:19,100
we appreciate the promoter in the past

3991
03:02:19,100 --> 03:02:23,100
because they made it what this event

3992
03:02:23,100 --> 03:02:26,100
is, it's a regional attraction, we

3993
03:02:26,100 --> 03:02:30,201
know it because we -- what's the

3994
03:02:32,100 --> 03:02:34,100
attendance, 50 thousand plus.

3995
03:02:35,100 --> 03:02:37,100
>> 40, 20?

3996
03:02:37,100 --> 03:02:39,100
>> she says 20 thousand.

3997
03:02:39,100 --> 03:02:42,100
I thought it was more in the past.

3998
03:02:42,100 --> 03:02:45,100
I have been told up to 40 in some

3999
03:02:45,100 --> 03:02:48,601
years, but according to placer, 20 thousand.

4000
03:02:50,100 --> 03:02:53,100
>> so, the promoter was responsible

4001
03:02:56,100 --> 03:02:58,100
for getting sponsors a that paid for

4002
03:02:58,100 --> 03:02:59,100
these expenses.

4003
03:02:59,100 --> 03:03:00,100
>> correct.

4004
03:03:00,100 --> 03:03:02,100
>> the promoter is no longer involved

4005
03:03:02,100 --> 03:03:06,100
so that leaves a gap of trying to get

4006
03:03:06,100 --> 03:03:08,100
sponsors to pay these expenses.

4007
03:03:08,100 --> 03:03:11,601
>> that's what the chamber has taken

4008
03:03:14,100 --> 03:03:15,100
over.

4009
03:03:15,100 --> 03:03:17,100
>> yeah, but the chamber needs to find

4010
03:03:17,100 --> 03:03:19,401
those same sponsors, right?

4011
03:03:23,100 --> 03:03:25,100
no?

4012
03:03:26,100 --> 03:03:27,100
I'm seeing --

4013
03:03:27,100 --> 03:03:28,100
>> this is sounding much more

4014
03:03:28,100 --> 03:03:30,100
complicated than it is, good news on

4015
03:03:30,100 --> 03:03:32,100
this one because I think this one will

4016
03:03:32,100 --> 03:03:34,100
be easier.

4017
03:03:35,100 --> 03:03:37,100
there seems to have some confusion

4018
03:03:37,100 --> 03:03:41,100
about this one line item and it's the

4019
03:03:41,100 --> 03:03:43,100
8 thousand 164 dollars that's bicycle

4020
03:03:43,100 --> 03:03:47,100
fencing has goes up and down manhattan

4021
03:03:47,100 --> 03:03:50,100
beach boulevard that -- it separates

4022
03:03:50,100 --> 03:03:51,100
people from when an emergency vehicle

4023
03:03:51,100 --> 03:03:53,401
has to go there.

4024
03:03:55,100 --> 03:03:58,100
I was told that at one point chevron

4025
03:03:58,100 --> 03:04:00,100
paid for that and I went back to

4026
03:04:00,100 --> 03:04:02,100
chevron, we've never paid for that, so

4027
03:04:02,100 --> 03:04:03,100
I don't know why that was.

4028
03:04:03,100 --> 03:04:07,801
it was not in the budget that I

4029
03:04:08,100 --> 03:04:12,201
received from the moffits so it's the

4030
03:04:15,100 --> 03:04:17,401
mysterious 8164, I'm raising the 180

4031
03:04:18,100 --> 03:04:20,100
thousand dollars to make this show

4032
03:04:20,100 --> 03:04:23,100
happen, all I'm asking is the 8164

4033
03:04:23,100 --> 03:04:25,100
dollars that's a bicycle fencing, the

4034
03:04:25,100 --> 03:04:27,100
10 thousand dollars, I didn't budget

4035
03:04:27,100 --> 03:04:28,100
for last year, I would love it if you

4036
03:04:28,100 --> 03:04:31,100
could cover that because that wasn't

4037
03:04:31,100 --> 03:04:33,100
in pete's budget for me to cover so I

4038
03:04:33,100 --> 03:04:37,801
didn't have that and I would end up

4039
03:04:39,100 --> 03:04:43,100
losing money on the fireworks at this

4040
03:04:43,100 --> 03:04:46,100
point but I will have to find another

4041
03:04:46,100 --> 03:04:48,100
10 thousand dollars this year, I

4042
03:04:48,100 --> 03:04:51,100
understand that in sponsorships, but I

4043
03:04:51,100 --> 03:04:53,100
appreciate that you guys are saying go

4044
03:04:53,100 --> 03:04:55,100
out and get sponsorships.

4045
03:04:55,100 --> 03:04:59,100
if you knew how hard it is so come up

4046
03:04:59,100 --> 03:05:01,100
with 180 thousand dollars worth of

4047
03:05:01,100 --> 03:05:03,100
sponsorships, it is not an easy thing.

4048
03:05:03,100 --> 03:05:07,100
we started it this week and I have

4049
03:05:07,100 --> 03:05:08,100
already had multiple saying I'm

4050
03:05:08,100 --> 03:05:11,601
pulling back on my sponsorship from

4051
03:05:12,100 --> 03:05:13,100
last year, and I'm like, great, that

4052
03:05:13,100 --> 03:05:15,100
means I have to find more.

4053
03:05:15,100 --> 03:05:17,100
this is one of those events when I say

4054
03:05:17,100 --> 03:05:20,100
to somebody that the chamber is

4055
03:05:20,100 --> 03:05:22,100
producing the event, I thought that

4056
03:05:22,100 --> 03:05:24,401
was a city event.

4057
03:05:28,100 --> 03:05:29,100
everyone thinkers so.

4058
03:05:29,100 --> 03:05:33,801
I'm the third party of this is that

4059
03:05:36,100 --> 03:05:37,100
scenario.

4060
03:05:37,100 --> 03:05:39,100
we love it as much aser everybody else

4061
03:05:39,100 --> 03:05:41,100
does, pete did it as a labor of love.

4062
03:05:41,100 --> 03:05:44,100
he didn't make any money off of it,

4063
03:05:44,100 --> 03:05:46,100
tom took it over as his son and he

4064
03:05:46,100 --> 03:05:49,100
said I can't do this because -- he was

4065
03:05:49,100 --> 03:05:51,100
making like 7 thousand dollars on the

4066
03:05:51,100 --> 03:05:53,100
event and he says it takes six months

4067
03:05:53,100 --> 03:05:55,100
to produce it, it doesn't make sense

4068
03:05:55,100 --> 03:05:56,100
for me to do it.

4069
03:05:56,100 --> 03:05:57,100
can we find somebody else to do it.

4070
03:05:57,100 --> 03:06:01,801
we took it on because it's a beloved

4071
03:06:02,100 --> 03:06:03,100
event but with the amount of money

4072
03:06:03,100 --> 03:06:04,100
-- the amount of time and the amount

4073
03:06:04,100 --> 03:06:07,100
of money that it takes to raise it, if

4074
03:06:07,100 --> 03:06:10,100
I now have to cover the ten thousand

4075
03:06:10,100 --> 03:06:12,100
dollars for the public safety piece of

4076
03:06:12,100 --> 03:06:16,100
it plus the 8100 for those fences, I'm

4077
03:06:16,100 --> 03:06:19,100
like I'm in the hole and I just can't

4078
03:06:19,100 --> 03:06:22,100
do that and so that's -- I will budget

4079
03:06:22,100 --> 03:06:24,100
for the ten thousand for next year if

4080
03:06:24,100 --> 03:06:26,100
you can cover the bicycle fences for

4081
03:06:26,100 --> 03:06:29,100
the 8 thousand, that's all I'm asking

4082
03:06:29,100 --> 03:06:30,100
for is an additional 8 thousand.

4083
03:06:30,100 --> 03:06:32,100
>> can I ask a question.

4084
03:06:32,100 --> 03:06:36,100
is there an option to scale it down?

4085
03:06:36,100 --> 03:06:37,100
I mean, it's quite a show.

4086
03:06:37,100 --> 03:06:40,100
I mean, I'm going to be the boomer in

4087
03:06:40,100 --> 03:06:44,100
the room, we just took our kids down,

4088
03:06:44,100 --> 03:06:47,100
we sang there's one guitarist, john

4089
03:06:47,100 --> 03:06:49,100
brown or something, has was on the

4090
03:06:49,100 --> 03:06:52,100
stage, we sang christmas carols and

4091
03:06:52,100 --> 03:06:54,100
then the fireworks went off.

4092
03:06:54,100 --> 03:06:57,100
now it's a production which is fine, I

4093
03:06:57,100 --> 03:06:59,100
understand tastes change and things

4094
03:06:59,100 --> 03:07:02,100
like that, can we reduce that?

4095
03:07:02,100 --> 03:07:04,100
>> I think that that would have to be

4096
03:07:04,100 --> 03:07:06,100
something that maybe the city wants to

4097
03:07:06,100 --> 03:07:08,100
propose to the residents because

4098
03:07:08,100 --> 03:07:11,100
that's the expectation now and so it's

4099
03:07:11,100 --> 03:07:14,100
not -- I mean, we're not making the

4100
03:07:14,100 --> 03:07:17,100
show longer, bigger, I haven't added

4101
03:07:17,100 --> 03:07:18,100
any new entertainment.

4102
03:07:18,100 --> 03:07:21,100
this is just the continuing cost to do

4103
03:07:21,100 --> 03:07:22,100
what it is.

4104
03:07:22,100 --> 03:07:26,100
so, I think if you wanted to change

4105
03:07:26,100 --> 03:07:28,100
that, that -- I mean --

4106
03:07:28,100 --> 03:07:30,100
>> it doesn't have to go to that

4107
03:07:30,100 --> 03:07:32,100
extreme, but I'm not sure the cost

4108
03:07:32,100 --> 03:07:34,100
structure and what the entertainment

4109
03:07:34,100 --> 03:07:36,100
all is.

4110
03:07:36,100 --> 03:07:39,100
everybody's there for the fireworks.

4111
03:07:39,100 --> 03:07:41,100
>> well, I mean, I'll give you a couple

4112
03:07:41,100 --> 03:07:44,100
of things off the top of my head, it

4113
03:07:44,100 --> 03:07:47,100
costs 15 thousand dollars to do the

4114
03:07:47,100 --> 03:07:48,100
environmental cleanup, about 14

4115
03:07:48,100 --> 03:07:50,100
thousand dollars for the over water

4116
03:07:50,100 --> 03:07:52,100
permit, the sound system that goes up

4117
03:07:52,100 --> 03:07:55,601
and down because it's choreographed to

4118
03:07:56,100 --> 03:07:59,100
music that goes all the way up to

4119
03:07:59,100 --> 03:08:00,100
manhattan beach boulevard, that's a

4120
03:08:00,100 --> 03:08:01,100
separate provider.

4121
03:08:01,100 --> 03:08:03,100
I had no idea what it all was either.

4122
03:08:03,100 --> 03:08:05,100
it's not like we're doing anything

4123
03:08:05,100 --> 03:08:07,100
like I'm going, let's add something

4124
03:08:07,100 --> 03:08:10,100
huge and new, I am really just

4125
03:08:10,100 --> 03:08:13,100
sustaining what is there and when -- I

4126
03:08:13,100 --> 03:08:15,100
mean, I know it's a lot more expensive

4127
03:08:15,100 --> 03:08:17,100
than it used to be.

4128
03:08:17,100 --> 03:08:18,100
every year it's getting more expensive

4129
03:08:18,100 --> 03:08:21,601
and it's more sponsorship, so, the

4130
03:08:22,100 --> 03:08:25,100
bicycle fencing was a requirement of

4131
03:08:25,100 --> 03:08:27,100
pd for public safety and so I'm just

4132
03:08:27,100 --> 03:08:29,100
asking for that 8 thousand dollars to

4133
03:08:29,100 --> 03:08:33,201
be considered part of the public safety

4134
03:08:35,100 --> 03:08:36,100
expense instead of a third party

4135
03:08:36,100 --> 03:08:37,100
expense to us, that's it.

4136
03:08:37,100 --> 03:08:39,100
>> that's not 439.

4137
03:08:42,100 --> 03:08:43,100
okay.

4138
03:08:43,100 --> 03:08:44,100
councilmember charelian?

4139
03:08:44,100 --> 03:08:45,100
>> thank you.

4140
03:08:45,100 --> 03:08:46,100
thank you, mr. Mayor.

4141
03:08:46,100 --> 03:08:47,100
and, jill, thank you for clarifying

4142
03:08:47,100 --> 03:08:50,100
that you only needed 8 thousand and

4143
03:08:50,100 --> 03:08:54,801
some change for the -- where are you?

4144
03:08:55,100 --> 03:08:59,801
for the -- just if for the iconic

4145
03:09:00,100 --> 03:09:01,100
manhattan beach fireworks, this is

4146
03:09:01,100 --> 03:09:04,100
beyond a legacy event, 8200 dollars

4147
03:09:04,100 --> 03:09:07,100
for the amount of smiling faces it

4148
03:09:07,100 --> 03:09:10,100
brings, I'm okay with that.

4149
03:09:11,100 --> 03:09:13,100
>> any other comments?

4150
03:09:15,100 --> 03:09:17,100
>> you need public comments.

4151
03:09:17,100 --> 03:09:19,100
>> yeah, public comments.

4152
03:09:24,100 --> 03:09:26,100
so, anybody here in chambers?

4153
03:09:26,100 --> 03:09:27,100
no?

4154
03:09:27,100 --> 03:09:28,100
online?

4155
03:09:28,100 --> 03:09:29,100
>> no.

4156
03:09:29,100 --> 03:09:32,100
>> my dog would like to comment.

4157
03:09:32,100 --> 03:09:36,801
my dog hates the fireworks and says I

4158
03:09:37,100 --> 03:09:39,100
cannot vote for this.

4159
03:09:39,100 --> 03:09:41,401
>> give up a bone.

4160
03:09:42,100 --> 03:09:45,100
okay, so seeing none, closing public

4161
03:09:45,100 --> 03:09:46,100
comments.

4162
03:09:46,100 --> 03:09:47,100
council discussion?

4163
03:09:47,100 --> 03:09:48,100
comments, anybody ?

4164
03:09:48,100 --> 03:09:50,100
councilmember lesser?

4165
03:09:51,100 --> 03:09:54,100
>> I will be supporting this motion, I

4166
03:09:54,100 --> 03:09:56,100
appreciate jill, I appreciate you for all

4167
03:09:56,100 --> 03:09:58,100
the work you're putting into this

4168
03:09:58,100 --> 03:10:00,100
production and more importantly just

4169
03:10:00,100 --> 03:10:01,100
clarifying it.

4170
03:10:01,100 --> 03:10:03,100
that's been part of my objection to

4171
03:10:03,100 --> 03:10:04,100
this.

4172
03:10:04,100 --> 03:10:06,100
I am grateful to city staff to bring

4173
03:10:06,100 --> 03:10:09,100
this -- all these matters to council

4174
03:10:09,100 --> 03:10:11,100
for greater transparency to the our

4175
03:10:11,100 --> 03:10:12,100
public as to what these events are

4176
03:10:12,100 --> 03:10:14,100
costing and for future councils going

4177
03:10:14,100 --> 03:10:16,100
forward, I think this needs to be part

4178
03:10:16,100 --> 03:10:18,100
of the budgetary process to better

4179
03:10:18,100 --> 03:10:21,100
understand what these costs are,

4180
03:10:23,100 --> 03:10:25,100
burden rates as well as the out of

4181
03:10:25,100 --> 03:10:27,100
pocket costs because the community

4182
03:10:27,100 --> 03:10:28,100
wants these events.

4183
03:10:28,100 --> 03:10:30,100
these are a big part of who we are and

4184
03:10:30,100 --> 03:10:32,100
what our community has come to expect

4185
03:10:32,100 --> 03:10:34,100
along with our businesses, so we need

4186
03:10:34,100 --> 03:10:38,201
to come up with a way that's

4187
03:10:39,100 --> 03:10:40,100
sustainable going forward and we

4188
03:10:40,100 --> 03:10:41,100
wouldn't be doing our job unless we

4189
03:10:41,100 --> 03:10:42,100
asked these questions and made sure

4190
03:10:42,100 --> 03:10:44,100
that the overall costs for all of

4191
03:10:44,100 --> 03:10:46,100
these items are something that's

4192
03:10:46,100 --> 03:10:49,601
sustainable, so I will be supporting

4193
03:10:51,100 --> 03:10:52,100
this.

4194
03:10:52,100 --> 03:10:53,100
>> mayor pro tem tarnay?

4195
03:10:53,100 --> 03:10:55,401
>> thank you, mr. Mayor.

4196
03:10:56,100 --> 03:10:58,100
I think everyone in this room would

4197
03:10:58,100 --> 03:11:02,100
agree that this is one of the best

4198
03:11:02,100 --> 03:11:05,100
community events our city does.

4199
03:11:05,100 --> 03:11:08,100
this and the hometown fair, these are

4200
03:11:08,100 --> 03:11:11,100
two huge signature events that is

4201
03:11:11,100 --> 03:11:14,100
really -- we talk about public

4202
03:11:14,100 --> 03:11:17,100
benefit, our whole community, everyone

4203
03:11:18,100 --> 03:11:21,100
goes downtown and to answer -- to

4204
03:11:21,100 --> 03:11:23,100
comment on what jill has said about

4205
03:11:23,100 --> 03:11:25,100
adding more, I haven't seen the

4206
03:11:25,100 --> 03:11:27,100
addition, I have been going for a few

4207
03:11:27,100 --> 03:11:31,201
decades now, I have -- haven't seen

4208
03:11:32,100 --> 03:11:36,100
the growth of it, I have seen more

4209
03:11:36,100 --> 03:11:38,100
people coming because it is such a

4210
03:11:38,100 --> 03:11:39,100
great event.

4211
03:11:39,100 --> 03:11:41,100
when we started going, you could leave

4212
03:11:41,100 --> 03:11:45,100
and start making your way town at 5:00

4213
03:11:45,100 --> 03:11:47,100
and still be able to get a spot.

4214
03:11:47,100 --> 03:11:48,100
now with social media and the growth

4215
03:11:48,100 --> 03:11:51,100
and people knowing more about the

4216
03:11:51,100 --> 03:11:54,100
event, people start posting up like at

4217
03:11:54,100 --> 03:11:57,100
noon, I think people starting getting

4218
03:11:57,100 --> 03:11:59,100
their families down there and it does

4219
03:11:59,100 --> 03:12:01,100
greatly impact the business.

4220
03:12:01,100 --> 03:12:04,100
people eat, they dine, they shop, so

4221
03:12:04,100 --> 03:12:08,801
it brings a lot of activities into our

4222
03:12:11,100 --> 03:12:12,100
downtown area so it's great for the

4223
03:12:12,100 --> 03:12:15,601
businesses and great for the residents

4224
03:12:17,100 --> 03:12:21,201
and seeing what is being asked, that 8164

4225
03:12:22,100 --> 03:12:26,801
dollars, I think it's an easy number to

4226
03:12:28,100 --> 03:12:31,100
justify because it does come down to

4227
03:12:31,100 --> 03:12:34,100
public safety, we have thousands of

4228
03:12:34,100 --> 03:12:35,100
people down there, 20 thousand people,

4229
03:12:35,100 --> 03:12:38,100
and this is something that our pd is

4230
03:12:38,100 --> 03:12:41,100
asking for, so I will be approving

4231
03:12:41,100 --> 03:12:42,100
that amount as well.

4232
03:12:42,100 --> 03:12:44,100
>> great.

4233
03:12:44,100 --> 03:12:47,601
so, I appreciate the clarity, clearing

4234
03:12:48,100 --> 03:12:51,100
up the numbers and alike.

4235
03:12:51,100 --> 03:12:55,100
I'm still going to say, you know, I

4236
03:12:55,100 --> 03:12:59,100
think people would come even if the

4237
03:12:59,100 --> 03:13:00,100
show surrounding it was kind of

4238
03:13:00,100 --> 03:13:03,100
reduced a little bit and I don't know

4239
03:13:03,100 --> 03:13:05,100
how all these things work, whether or

4240
03:13:05,100 --> 03:13:07,100
not you can just get a lower scale

4241
03:13:07,100 --> 03:13:11,100
type of show because the show is the

4242
03:13:11,100 --> 03:13:13,100
fireworks and the sound, I can

4243
03:13:13,100 --> 03:13:15,100
understand that, but we lived without

4244
03:13:15,100 --> 03:13:18,100
that sound for 20 years beforehand

4245
03:13:19,100 --> 03:13:20,100
because again, it was just the

4246
03:13:20,100 --> 03:13:23,100
fireworks you were looking at.

4247
03:13:24,100 --> 03:13:26,401
on our block, we

4248
03:13:28,100 --> 03:13:31,601
gathered up our resources and our

4249
03:13:32,100 --> 03:13:34,100
blankets and a couple of the parents

4250
03:13:34,100 --> 03:13:35,100
went down there to save the space, it

4251
03:13:35,100 --> 03:13:37,100
was a great feeling of community, we

4252
03:13:37,100 --> 03:13:39,100
did go shopping and did use the

4253
03:13:39,100 --> 03:13:43,201
restaurants so I think iet assist --

4254
03:13:44,100 --> 03:13:48,801
it's a great event and let's keep it

4255
03:13:49,100 --> 03:13:50,100
great.

4256
03:13:50,100 --> 03:13:52,100
>> my dog hate still hates it.

4257
03:13:52,100 --> 03:13:54,100
.

4258
03:13:55,100 --> 03:13:57,100
>> if that was the last comment, we

4259
03:13:57,100 --> 03:13:59,100
have a motion to accept .by

4260
03:13:59,100 --> 03:14:00,100
councilmember charelian and seconded

4261
03:14:00,100 --> 03:14:02,100
by mayor pro tem tarnay.

4262
03:14:02,100 --> 03:14:04,100
>> thank you, and I think all I need

4263
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:08,201
to say is that we'll approve the

4264
03:14:10,100 --> 03:14:13,601
holiday fireworks event and pruned the

4265
03:14:14,100 --> 03:14:16,100
subsidy of $8,164.

4266
03:14:17,100 --> 03:14:19,100
let me know if you need anything else?

4267
03:14:19,100 --> 03:14:22,601
>> can I just clarify, so we're

4268
03:14:23,100 --> 03:14:25,100
looking for a decision moving forward

4269
03:14:25,100 --> 03:14:29,100
on how we want to approve the subsidy,

4270
03:14:29,100 --> 03:14:33,201
so the estimated cost of the subsidy

4271
03:14:34,100 --> 03:14:35,100
would be around the 8 thousand but do

4272
03:14:35,100 --> 03:14:38,100
we want to keep that ten thousand

4273
03:14:38,100 --> 03:14:41,100
dollar cap on only public safety

4274
03:14:41,100 --> 03:14:44,100
expenses and still charge the other

4275
03:14:44,100 --> 03:14:46,100
public safety expenses which is the 8

4276
03:14:46,100 --> 03:14:48,100
thousand something or do we want to

4277
03:14:48,100 --> 03:14:51,601
cap the third party expenses at 10

4278
03:14:52,100 --> 03:14:54,100
thousand dollars total which includes

4279
03:14:54,100 --> 03:14:58,201
the public safe and the porta potties

4280
03:14:59,100 --> 03:15:00,100
and the fencing.

4281
03:15:00,100 --> 03:15:02,100
>> personally making the motion, I

4282
03:15:02,100 --> 03:15:05,100
would like to defer that conversation,

4283
03:15:05,100 --> 03:15:09,801
item a, that we approved the process in

4284
03:15:11,100 --> 03:15:13,100
evaluating and bring that back to us,

4285
03:15:13,100 --> 03:15:15,100
there's a lot of numbers moving aner

4286
03:15:15,100 --> 03:15:17,100
and we had to get clarification a few

4287
03:15:17,100 --> 03:15:18,100
times so I would hate to make a

4288
03:15:18,100 --> 03:15:20,100
decision, that's me, I don't know if

4289
03:15:20,100 --> 03:15:22,100
my colleagues feel the same?

4290
03:15:22,100 --> 03:15:25,100
>> she wants to ask something.

4291
03:15:25,100 --> 03:15:27,100
>> if you don't want to make the

4292
03:15:27,100 --> 03:15:29,100
decision for it going forward, then

4293
03:15:29,100 --> 03:15:33,100
for the 2026 event, would you like to

4294
03:15:33,100 --> 03:15:35,100
the total expenses at 10 thousand

4295
03:15:35,100 --> 03:15:38,100
dollars which would be what jill was

4296
03:15:38,100 --> 03:15:40,100
explaining or do you want to keep it

4297
03:15:40,100 --> 03:15:44,100
at 10 thousand and then we bill for

4298
03:15:44,100 --> 03:15:47,100
the other third party expenses?

4299
03:15:47,100 --> 03:15:49,100
it's either we charge them 18 thousand

4300
03:15:49,100 --> 03:15:51,100
or --

4301
03:15:51,100 --> 03:15:52,100
>> you're saying 18 or 10?

4302
03:15:52,100 --> 03:15:53,100
>> yes.

4303
03:15:53,100 --> 03:15:55,100
>> that's the question.

4304
03:15:56,100 --> 03:16:00,201
>> I'm at a loss for words, so

4305
03:16:02,100 --> 03:16:04,100
you're not looking just for the --

4306
03:16:04,100 --> 03:16:06,100
you're looking for the cap, you're

4307
03:16:06,100 --> 03:16:07,100
looking for 18 thousand?

4308
03:16:07,100 --> 03:16:09,100
>> yes.

4309
03:16:09,100 --> 03:16:11,401
>> 10, sorry, we're looking --

4310
03:16:13,100 --> 03:16:15,100
>> a cap of ten thousand.

4311
03:16:15,100 --> 03:16:18,100
>> a cap of ten thousand, so the

4312
03:16:18,100 --> 03:16:20,100
chamber would pay ten thousand for

4313
03:16:20,100 --> 03:16:23,100
third party costs if you approve

4314
03:16:23,100 --> 03:16:25,100
number 3.

4315
03:16:27,100 --> 03:16:31,801
>> but again all we're on hook for is

4316
03:16:32,100 --> 03:16:33,100
the $8,164?

4317
03:16:33,100 --> 03:16:36,601
>> well, we would be absorbing that 8

4318
03:16:37,100 --> 03:16:39,100
thousand but we are also absorbing a

4319
03:16:39,100 --> 03:16:42,601
significant amount of the other public

4320
03:16:43,100 --> 03:16:44,100
safety costs, yes, but, yes, we would

4321
03:16:44,100 --> 03:16:45,100
be on the hook for the 8 thousand.

4322
03:16:45,100 --> 03:16:48,601
>> how do you want that worded?

4323
03:16:54,100 --> 03:16:56,100
>> honestly, I'm sorry, I didn't press

4324
03:16:56,100 --> 03:16:57,100
my button.

4325
03:16:57,100 --> 03:17:00,100
this could be more clear cut.

4326
03:17:00,100 --> 03:17:03,100
>> the number 3 option explains the

4327
03:17:04,100 --> 03:17:08,100
that we will invoice the chamber for

4328
03:17:08,100 --> 03:17:10,100
ten thousand no matter what the third

4329
03:17:10,100 --> 03:17:11,100
party costs are.

4330
03:17:11,100 --> 03:17:14,100
>> if they're above that, we're still

4331
03:17:14,100 --> 03:17:16,100
only invoicing them ten thousand?

4332
03:17:16,100 --> 03:17:17,100
>> correct.

4333
03:17:17,100 --> 03:17:19,100
>> where did the 18 thousand number

4334
03:17:19,100 --> 03:17:20,100
come from.

4335
03:17:20,100 --> 03:17:23,100
>> it is the 10 thousand dollar cap on

4336
03:17:23,100 --> 03:17:24,100
public safety expenses so we were

4337
03:17:24,100 --> 03:17:26,100
going to charge them 10 thousand, and

4338
03:17:26,100 --> 03:17:29,100
then the 8 thousand 100 was a separate

4339
03:17:29,100 --> 03:17:32,601
third party cost for bicycle fencing

4340
03:17:33,100 --> 03:17:35,401
and the porta potties.

4341
03:17:36,100 --> 03:17:39,100
>> that's what they're asking for?

4342
03:17:39,100 --> 03:17:42,100
because she's trying to raise 180

4343
03:17:42,100 --> 03:17:45,100
thousand dollars in sponsorship that's

4344
03:17:45,100 --> 03:17:47,100
already allocated and we're saying

4345
03:17:47,100 --> 03:17:50,100
the bicycle fencing is the 8164, then

4346
03:17:50,100 --> 03:17:52,100
there's public service that we're

4347
03:17:52,100 --> 03:17:54,100
going to cap at 10 thousand.

4348
03:17:54,100 --> 03:17:56,100
>> yes, that is essentially --

4349
03:17:56,100 --> 03:17:58,100
>> it's 18 thousand 164 dollars.

4350
03:18:01,100 --> 03:18:02,100
>> now we've been raising 190 thousand

4351
03:18:02,100 --> 03:18:07,401
just so you know, if you cap it at 10,

4352
03:18:08,100 --> 03:18:11,100
then I go up, that's what I'm offering.

4353
03:18:11,100 --> 03:18:13,100
there is one other bill that was for

4354
03:18:13,100 --> 03:18:16,100
the fencing and these porta potties

4355
03:18:16,100 --> 03:18:18,100
that had never been billed before that

4356
03:18:18,100 --> 03:18:22,100
was the 8 thousand and that's what I

4357
03:18:22,100 --> 03:18:25,100
said, the 8167, now if that's what it

4358
03:18:25,100 --> 03:18:27,100
was billed last year.

4359
03:18:27,100 --> 03:18:29,100
if that 8 thousand is more this year,

4360
03:18:29,100 --> 03:18:32,100
if it's 9 thousand, then -- am I like

4361
03:18:32,100 --> 03:18:34,100
-- you go.

4362
03:18:35,100 --> 03:18:38,601
>> how about you define the services

4363
03:18:39,100 --> 03:18:41,100
that you want us --

4364
03:18:41,100 --> 03:18:42,100
>> I do want to clarify, this is the

4365
03:18:42,100 --> 03:18:43,100
importance and this is why this

4366
03:18:43,100 --> 03:18:44,100
process is being put in place is so we

4367
03:18:44,100 --> 03:18:45,100
will have the ability to have these

4368
03:18:45,100 --> 03:18:48,100
agreements in place that clearly

4369
03:18:48,100 --> 03:18:49,100
dictate again working with pete and

4370
03:18:49,100 --> 03:18:51,100
tom over the years, this was a

4371
03:18:51,100 --> 03:18:53,100
separate bill that was paid by the

4372
03:18:53,100 --> 03:18:55,100
operator, as things change and

4373
03:18:55,100 --> 03:18:57,100
evolve, this was not in a written

4374
03:18:57,100 --> 03:18:59,100
document and agreement and that is why

4375
03:18:59,100 --> 03:19:01,100
we're having confusion here, moving

4376
03:19:01,100 --> 03:19:02,100
forward, we will not have this

4377
03:19:02,100 --> 03:19:03,100
confusion.

4378
03:19:03,100 --> 03:19:04,100
that is the difference between the 10

4379
03:19:04,100 --> 03:19:06,100
thousand and the 18 thousand because

4380
03:19:06,100 --> 03:19:07,100
in previous years that additional 8

4381
03:19:07,100 --> 03:19:09,100
thousand dollars had been paid by the

4382
03:19:09,100 --> 03:19:11,100
operator and again with the transition

4383
03:19:11,100 --> 03:19:14,100
of leadership, that no longer was

4384
03:19:14,100 --> 03:19:16,100
communicated.

4385
03:19:17,100 --> 03:19:20,100
>> I mean, I would -- I'm sorry, let

4386
03:19:20,100 --> 03:19:21,100
me ypres the button.

4387
03:19:21,100 --> 03:19:22,100
>> yes.

4388
03:19:22,100 --> 03:19:25,100
>> I'm not sure I understand it yet

4389
03:19:25,100 --> 03:19:29,100
but I am trying to make it so that the

4390
03:19:29,100 --> 03:19:31,100
chamber doesn't have to raise 190

4391
03:19:31,100 --> 03:19:34,100
thousand, I am trying to

4392
03:19:35,100 --> 03:19:38,100
say, if the number for this -- I hear

4393
03:19:38,100 --> 03:19:40,100
what you're saying, you're trying to

4394
03:19:40,100 --> 03:19:41,100
create a process moving forward.

4395
03:19:41,100 --> 03:19:44,100
if the number for this year is 18

4396
03:19:44,100 --> 03:19:46,100
thousand, okay, so be it, I'm fine

4397
03:19:46,100 --> 03:19:47,100
with that.

4398
03:19:47,100 --> 03:19:49,100
I think everybody was thinking it was

4399
03:19:49,100 --> 03:19:51,100
8 thousand, so we all have to consider

4400
03:19:51,100 --> 03:19:55,100
this, but these options that the cap

4401
03:19:55,100 --> 03:19:58,100
is very -- it confuses us, so option

4402
03:19:58,100 --> 03:20:01,100
1, approve a subsidy for all city

4403
03:20:01,100 --> 03:20:03,100
services and all third party costs.

4404
03:20:03,100 --> 03:20:07,100
so, that means we pay for everything.

4405
03:20:07,100 --> 03:20:08,100
is that the 18 thousand?

4406
03:20:08,100 --> 03:20:10,100
>> yes.

4407
03:20:10,100 --> 03:20:13,601
>> number 2, approve -- I'm sorry, do

4408
03:20:15,100 --> 03:20:17,100
you guys mind if I read this out loud

4409
03:20:17,100 --> 03:20:19,100
because I'm just sorting it out.

4410
03:20:19,100 --> 03:20:20,100
approve a subsidy for city services

4411
03:20:20,100 --> 03:20:23,100
and continue with the reproved 10

4412
03:20:24,100 --> 03:20:26,100
thousand cap on third party public

4413
03:20:26,100 --> 03:20:28,100
safety costs.

4414
03:20:29,100 --> 03:20:32,100
so, that means what, what does that --

4415
03:20:32,100 --> 03:20:36,201
so, the subsidy for city services and

4416
03:20:39,100 --> 03:20:42,100
do we pay above the -- do we charge

4417
03:20:42,100 --> 03:20:43,100
her 10 thousand and we pay above?

4418
03:20:43,100 --> 03:20:44,100
>> yes.

4419
03:20:44,100 --> 03:20:47,100
>> for the barriers and the security

4420
03:20:47,100 --> 03:20:49,100
costs and --

4421
03:20:49,100 --> 03:20:52,601
>> she say's say -- she's saying

4422
03:20:55,100 --> 03:20:57,100
please don't charge me 10 thousand.

4423
03:20:57,100 --> 03:21:00,100
number 3 is approve a subsidy for city

4424
03:21:00,100 --> 03:21:01,100
service --

4425
03:21:01,100 --> 03:21:04,100
>> so number 2 is we charge the 10

4426
03:21:04,100 --> 03:21:07,100
thousand for the third party public

4427
03:21:07,100 --> 03:21:09,100
safety expenses plus the other third

4428
03:21:09,100 --> 03:21:12,100
party costs, so that would be the

4429
03:21:12,100 --> 03:21:14,100
chamber paying 18 thousand, number 2.

4430
03:21:14,100 --> 03:21:17,100
number 3 would be the chamber paying

4431
03:21:17,100 --> 03:21:19,401
10 thousand and number --

4432
03:21:21,100 --> 03:21:24,100
>> so, 2 is having the chamber pay 18

4433
03:21:24,100 --> 03:21:26,100
thousand, 3 is having the chamber pay

4434
03:21:26,100 --> 03:21:28,100
10 and us pay 8.

4435
03:21:29,100 --> 03:21:32,100
>> yes, number 3 is the chamber

4436
03:21:33,100 --> 03:21:36,100
pays 10 and we pay all other

4437
03:21:36,100 --> 03:21:37,100
expenses.

4438
03:21:37,100 --> 03:21:39,100
>> okay.

4439
03:21:41,100 --> 03:21:44,100
so, the chamber -- it's either the

4440
03:21:44,100 --> 03:21:47,100
chamber pays the extra, this thing

4441
03:21:47,100 --> 03:21:50,100
that -- what happened is everyone

4442
03:21:50,100 --> 03:21:52,100
figured out wait, no one's paid this

4443
03:21:52,100 --> 03:21:55,100
bill because pete was doing it this

4444
03:21:55,100 --> 03:21:57,100
way, chevron was doing it this way so

4445
03:21:57,100 --> 03:22:01,801
now we have to figure out who is

4446
03:22:03,100 --> 03:22:04,100
paying.

4447
03:22:04,100 --> 03:22:05,100
>> yeah.

4448
03:22:05,100 --> 03:22:06,100
>> to be honest, part of it probably

4449
03:22:06,100 --> 03:22:09,601
was that initially there weren't porta

4450
03:22:10,100 --> 03:22:12,100
potty, they were probably going into

4451
03:22:12,100 --> 03:22:14,100
people's restaurants and shops and

4452
03:22:14,100 --> 03:22:16,100
asking for bathrooms so that's par of

4453
03:22:16,100 --> 03:22:20,100
it is that and the other part is the

4454
03:22:20,100 --> 03:22:22,100
bike fence.

4455
03:22:22,100 --> 03:22:25,100
>> number one is the city's going to

4456
03:22:25,100 --> 03:22:27,100
pay 18 thousand, number 2 is the

4457
03:22:27,100 --> 03:22:29,100
chamber is going to pay it.

4458
03:22:29,100 --> 03:22:32,100
number 3, we pay 8 and the chamber

4459
03:22:32,100 --> 03:22:34,100
pays 10, those are our choices here.

4460
03:22:34,100 --> 03:22:36,100
>> and just so you know, has ten

4461
03:22:36,100 --> 03:22:37,100
thousand because it was nnt the budget

4462
03:22:37,100 --> 03:22:41,801
that I got means I will be raising 190

4463
03:22:44,100 --> 03:22:45,100
now, right.

4464
03:22:45,100 --> 03:22:48,100
so I'm doing my share to raise that

4465
03:22:48,100 --> 03:22:50,100
extra ten thousand this year starting

4466
03:22:50,100 --> 03:22:51,100
this year too.

4467
03:22:51,100 --> 03:22:53,100
>> okay.

4468
03:22:53,100 --> 03:22:54,100
so what's your motion?

4469
03:22:54,100 --> 03:22:58,100
>> my motion is to defer my motion to

4470
03:22:58,100 --> 03:23:01,100
council mayor pro tem tarnay.

4471
03:23:02,100 --> 03:23:04,100
>> no.

4472
03:23:06,100 --> 03:23:08,100
>> what are the options again?

4473
03:23:08,100 --> 03:23:10,100
>> number 3.

4474
03:23:11,100 --> 03:23:12,100
>> number 3.

4475
03:23:12,100 --> 03:23:13,100
>> city pays 8, chamber pays 10.

4476
03:23:13,100 --> 03:23:15,100
>> yes.

4477
03:23:20,100 --> 03:23:21,100
cap.

4478
03:23:21,100 --> 03:23:22,100
>> yeah, sure.

4479
03:23:22,100 --> 03:23:23,100
>> is that appropriate?

4480
03:23:23,100 --> 03:23:25,100
number 3, option number 3, approve a

4481
03:23:25,100 --> 03:23:27,100
subsidy for the city services and a

4482
03:23:27,100 --> 03:23:30,100
ten thousand dollar cap for all third

4483
03:23:30,100 --> 03:23:32,100
party costs and that will be just for

4484
03:23:32,100 --> 03:23:35,100
the 2026 event until we iron this out

4485
03:23:35,100 --> 03:23:36,100
later, correct?

4486
03:23:36,100 --> 03:23:39,100
that's it, that's my motion.

4487
03:23:39,100 --> 03:23:42,100
>> okay, so, we have a motion by

4488
03:23:42,100 --> 03:23:43,100
councilmember charelian, still

4489
03:23:43,100 --> 03:23:44,100
seconding it?

4490
03:23:44,100 --> 03:23:45,100
>> yes.

4491
03:23:45,100 --> 03:23:46,100
>> okay.

4492
03:23:46,100 --> 03:23:49,100
I mean, I'll second it if

4493
03:23:49,100 --> 03:23:50,100
you want me to.

4494
03:23:50,100 --> 03:23:52,100
>> I've been ready to second.

4495
03:23:52,100 --> 03:23:55,100
>> and seconded by mayor pro tem

4496
03:23:55,100 --> 03:23:56,100
tarnay.

4497
03:23:56,100 --> 03:23:58,401
we have the mote.

4498
03:24:06,100 --> 03:24:08,100
>> motion passes 5-0.

4499
03:24:08,100 --> 03:24:09,100
>> well, that was easy.

4500
03:24:09,100 --> 03:24:11,100
>> thank you.

4501
03:24:13,100 --> 03:24:14,100
>> it would help to have everybody

4502
03:24:14,100 --> 03:24:15,100
literally be on the same page.

4503
03:24:15,100 --> 03:24:16,100
>> thank you, linda.

4504
03:24:16,100 --> 03:24:17,100
>> thank you.

4505
03:24:17,100 --> 03:24:19,100
>> okay.

4506
03:24:23,100 --> 03:24:26,100
>> happy birthday, come to council.

4507
03:24:26,100 --> 03:24:29,100
let us turn you around.

4508
03:24:32,100 --> 03:24:34,100
>> there's one more slide about legacy

4509
03:24:34,100 --> 03:24:36,401
status to be requested.

4510
03:24:38,100 --> 03:24:39,100
we're finished with this item?

4511
03:24:39,100 --> 03:24:41,100
>> we're done.

4512
03:24:42,100 --> 03:24:44,100
>> it's clear as mud.

4513
03:24:44,100 --> 03:24:47,601
>> alright, well, then let's get into

4514
03:24:49,100 --> 03:24:51,401
bringing this baby home.

4515
03:24:52,100 --> 03:24:55,601
so, l, city council requests and

4516
03:24:59,100 --> 03:25:01,401
reports including ab 1234 reports.

4517
03:25:02,100 --> 03:25:04,100
any?

4518
03:25:04,100 --> 03:25:05,100
no?

4519
03:25:05,100 --> 03:25:08,100
future -- m, future agenda items?

4520
03:25:08,100 --> 03:25:09,100
>> yeah.

4521
03:25:09,100 --> 03:25:12,100
I pressed my button to speak but it

4522
03:25:12,100 --> 03:25:13,100
died, it went away.

4523
03:25:13,100 --> 03:25:15,100
>> councilmember?

4524
03:25:16,100 --> 03:25:18,100
>> thank you.

4525
03:25:19,100 --> 03:25:23,801
I would like to put on the business

4526
03:25:25,100 --> 03:25:26,100
license tax, the thing that kelly

4527
03:25:26,100 --> 03:25:30,201
asked for that we keep making progress

4528
03:25:31,100 --> 03:25:33,100
and having staff -- I know that --

4529
03:25:33,100 --> 03:25:37,801
well, I would like to ask the city

4530
03:25:38,100 --> 03:25:40,100
manager, what's going on with that, is

4531
03:25:40,100 --> 03:25:41,100
there anything we need to do to bring

4532
03:25:41,100 --> 03:25:43,100
it back and forward.

4533
03:25:43,100 --> 03:25:45,100
>> thank you for the question,

4534
03:25:45,100 --> 03:25:46,100
councilmember.

4535
03:25:46,100 --> 03:25:47,100
the staffer's plan was to continue to

4536
03:25:47,100 --> 03:25:50,601
work with the various interest groups

4537
03:25:52,100 --> 03:25:54,100
and bring back the throughout the

4538
03:25:54,100 --> 03:25:57,601
course of the next year smaller

4539
03:25:58,100 --> 03:26:00,100
discussions about the business license

4540
03:26:00,100 --> 03:26:01,100
tax and we'll piece it all together at

4541
03:26:01,100 --> 03:26:03,100
the end of the year.

4542
03:26:03,100 --> 03:26:05,100
our plan unless council directs us to

4543
03:26:05,100 --> 03:26:07,100
go in a different direction was to

4544
03:26:07,100 --> 03:26:08,100
continue to work on this and bring

4545
03:26:08,100 --> 03:26:12,100
back bits and pieces to the council so

4546
03:26:12,100 --> 03:26:15,100
it's easier to digest and we go out

4547
03:26:15,100 --> 03:26:16,100
and essentially have those discussions

4548
03:26:16,100 --> 03:26:19,100
with those specific groups and then

4549
03:26:19,100 --> 03:26:20,100
come back and share the information

4550
03:26:20,100 --> 03:26:22,100
with the council and continue to keep

4551
03:26:22,100 --> 03:26:24,100
this moving forward while we make

4552
03:26:24,100 --> 03:26:27,100
progress over the course of the next

4553
03:26:27,100 --> 03:26:28,100
year.

4554
03:26:28,100 --> 03:26:32,100
>> I think if -- it's your future

4555
03:26:32,100 --> 03:26:34,100
item, I do agree and I like the actual

4556
03:26:34,100 --> 03:26:37,100
future item but a future item to come

4557
03:26:37,100 --> 03:26:40,100
back and give us a foundation of what

4558
03:26:40,100 --> 03:26:42,100
you just said and allow us an

4559
03:26:42,100 --> 03:26:44,100
opportunity to provide some direction

4560
03:26:44,100 --> 03:26:48,100
and input if we're going out and doing

4561
03:26:48,100 --> 03:26:51,100
these exercises of multiple working

4562
03:26:51,100 --> 03:26:52,100
groups.

4563
03:26:52,100 --> 03:26:56,100
I would love to get some -- I would --

4564
03:26:56,100 --> 03:26:58,100
that's something you -- I would second

4565
03:26:58,100 --> 03:26:59,100
that.

4566
03:26:59,100 --> 03:27:00,100
>> I would say that.

4567
03:27:00,100 --> 03:27:02,100
it doesn't have to come back to us as

4568
03:27:02,100 --> 03:27:05,100
a impish here's what we propose

4569
03:27:05,100 --> 03:27:07,100
because --

4570
03:27:07,100 --> 03:27:08,100
>> allow us to input.

4571
03:27:08,100 --> 03:27:09,100
>> yeah.

4572
03:27:09,100 --> 03:27:11,100
>> and it doesn't have to be --

4573
03:27:11,100 --> 03:27:14,601
obviously we need a third vote.

4574
03:27:15,100 --> 03:27:17,100
>> right, and we're not saying

4575
03:27:17,100 --> 03:27:19,100
-- it's going to take a lot of work,

4576
03:27:19,100 --> 03:27:20,100
yeah.

4577
03:27:20,100 --> 03:27:23,601
>> so, you both have two votes?

4578
03:27:24,100 --> 03:27:25,100
>> it's a two step process, it would

4579
03:27:25,100 --> 03:27:27,100
have to come back next time.

4580
03:27:27,100 --> 03:27:30,100
>> I understand, but you're making

4581
03:27:30,100 --> 03:27:31,100
those two votes?

4582
03:27:31,100 --> 03:27:32,100
>> yes.

4583
03:27:32,100 --> 03:27:34,100
>> I just want the clarify that.

4584
03:27:34,100 --> 03:27:35,100
>> clear as mud.

4585
03:27:35,100 --> 03:27:36,100
>> with that?

4586
03:27:36,100 --> 03:27:37,100
okay.

4587
03:27:37,100 --> 03:27:40,100
>> I have a future item.

4588
03:27:46,100 --> 03:27:49,100
you know, we had resident stuff on

4589
03:27:49,100 --> 03:27:52,100
camera come up at public comment, it

4590
03:27:52,100 --> 03:27:56,100
seemed like hours ago, but again maybe

4591
03:27:56,100 --> 03:27:58,100
the city manager helped, I know we

4592
03:27:58,100 --> 03:28:01,100
have a lot of existing information on

4593
03:28:01,100 --> 03:28:05,201
our website and I heard, you know,

4594
03:28:06,100 --> 03:28:07,100
transparency, rhna dashboard, give

4595
03:28:07,100 --> 03:28:10,100
city council an update every six months

4596
03:28:10,100 --> 03:28:14,100
so the public can kind of hear

4597
03:28:14,100 --> 03:28:15,100
through our meetings with what's going

4598
03:28:15,100 --> 03:28:17,100
on out there.

4599
03:28:17,100 --> 03:28:20,100
at least as frequently as we can that

4600
03:28:20,100 --> 03:28:23,100
it doesn't hinder too much strain on

4601
03:28:23,100 --> 03:28:26,100
staff, but can you help articulate

4602
03:28:26,100 --> 03:28:30,100
what that would look like as far as

4603
03:28:30,100 --> 03:28:31,100
what mr. Kampe said?

4604
03:28:31,100 --> 03:28:34,100
>> yes, I think mr. Kampe mentioned

4605
03:28:34,100 --> 03:28:37,100
that we come back annually and provide

4606
03:28:37,100 --> 03:28:40,100
a report to the council with a clear

4607
03:28:40,100 --> 03:28:42,100
cut chart of what our rhna obligations

4608
03:28:42,100 --> 03:28:46,100
are and how much for each category we

4609
03:28:46,100 --> 03:28:50,801
have met thus far for the whole cycle,

4610
03:28:53,100 --> 03:28:54,100
right, and the community development

4611
03:28:54,100 --> 03:28:58,201
director does have some ideas on what

4612
03:28:59,100 --> 03:29:02,100
additional charts to post on the

4613
03:29:02,100 --> 03:29:05,100
existing website, so we have

4614
03:29:05,100 --> 03:29:07,100
internally been discussing those

4615
03:29:07,100 --> 03:29:08,100
options already so it's up to the

4616
03:29:08,100 --> 03:29:12,100
council if the council would like us

4617
03:29:12,100 --> 03:29:15,100
to come back more than once a year, I

4618
03:29:15,100 --> 03:29:17,100
will say that that once a year update

4619
03:29:17,100 --> 03:29:19,100
that we prepare does take a

4620
03:29:19,100 --> 03:29:22,100
significant amount of work because

4621
03:29:22,100 --> 03:29:23,100
we're essentially having to go through

4622
03:29:23,100 --> 03:29:26,601
all of our building permits to

4623
03:29:27,100 --> 03:29:29,100
understand what housing has been

4624
03:29:29,100 --> 03:29:31,100
produced and in what categories, so it

4625
03:29:31,100 --> 03:29:33,100
does take staff resources, if we were to

4626
03:29:33,100 --> 03:29:36,100
do that twice a year but it's up to

4627
03:29:36,100 --> 03:29:37,100
the council to let us know.

4628
03:29:37,100 --> 03:29:40,100
in terms of making the website

4629
03:29:40,100 --> 03:29:42,401
clearer, we're already discussing

4630
03:29:44,100 --> 03:29:45,100
thousand do that-- how to do that and

4631
03:29:45,100 --> 03:29:46,100
how to improve it.

4632
03:29:46,100 --> 03:29:48,100
>> my request would be as future item

4633
03:29:48,100 --> 03:29:51,100
is maybe bring it once a year, we get

4634
03:29:51,100 --> 03:29:53,100
a lot of input from staff, from our

4635
03:29:53,100 --> 03:29:55,100
constituents and the residents which

4636
03:29:55,100 --> 03:29:59,100
are the same, just is the city doing

4637
03:29:59,100 --> 03:30:00,100
enough and just I think this is one of

4638
03:30:00,100 --> 03:30:04,100
those times we can just bring it and

4639
03:30:04,100 --> 03:30:07,100
be a presentation and do it once a

4640
03:30:07,100 --> 03:30:08,100
year.

4641
03:30:08,100 --> 03:30:09,100
>> we do that already.

4642
03:30:09,100 --> 03:30:12,601
>> so I'm a second for that.

4643
03:30:15,100 --> 03:30:16,100
>> when?

4644
03:30:16,100 --> 03:30:19,100
>> we do that prior to I think it's

4645
03:30:19,100 --> 03:30:21,100
april 4 of every year, we come to the

4646
03:30:21,100 --> 03:30:23,100
council, it's -- we make a

4647
03:30:23,100 --> 03:30:25,100
presentation to the council on where

4648
03:30:25,100 --> 03:30:27,100
we are in regards to our rhna

4649
03:30:27,100 --> 03:30:30,100
obligations for this current cycle and

4650
03:30:30,100 --> 03:30:33,100
we break that down by each income

4651
03:30:33,100 --> 03:30:35,100
category because that's really what

4652
03:30:35,100 --> 03:30:37,100
matters at the end of the day and what

4653
03:30:37,100 --> 03:30:39,100
hcd is looking at.

4654
03:30:39,100 --> 03:30:41,100
we talk to the council about all of

4655
03:30:41,100 --> 03:30:44,100
the progress we've made on the housing

4656
03:30:44,100 --> 03:30:47,100
programs for this particular cycle,

4657
03:30:47,100 --> 03:30:48,100
the numbers, the numbers of permits

4658
03:30:48,100 --> 03:30:51,601
that are issued, number of adu's

4659
03:30:52,100 --> 03:30:54,100
that have been built, all of that gets

4660
03:30:54,100 --> 03:30:56,100
compiled into the annual progress

4661
03:30:56,100 --> 03:30:58,100
report which is state mandated.

4662
03:30:58,100 --> 03:31:01,100
>> I was going to ask if it was state

4663
03:31:01,100 --> 03:31:02,100
mandated.

4664
03:31:02,100 --> 03:31:03,100
>> what you're saying is it comes

4665
03:31:03,100 --> 03:31:04,100
every april.

4666
03:31:04,100 --> 03:31:06,100
>> or before april because we have to

4667
03:31:06,100 --> 03:31:10,100
submit it I think it's by april 4.

4668
03:31:10,100 --> 03:31:11,100
>> I'll withdraw --

4669
03:31:11,100 --> 03:31:14,100
>> then I'll make it, I think it needs

4670
03:31:14,100 --> 03:31:16,100
to be twice a year.

4671
03:31:16,100 --> 03:31:19,100
this is as I mentioned in my mayor

4672
03:31:19,100 --> 03:31:22,100
rotation speech, it's the existential

4673
03:31:22,100 --> 03:31:25,100
threat as to what is manhattan beach.

4674
03:31:25,100 --> 03:31:29,100
we packed the joslyn center about this.

4675
03:31:29,100 --> 03:31:32,100
when was that, back earlier this year

4676
03:31:32,100 --> 03:31:34,100
because people didn't know about it

4677
03:31:34,100 --> 03:31:37,100
and now a lot of people are waking .up

4678
03:31:37,100 --> 03:31:40,100
and they're going to be woken up more

4679
03:31:40,100 --> 03:31:41,100
because they're going to see the

4680
03:31:41,100 --> 03:31:43,100
construction start and so it is going

4681
03:31:43,100 --> 03:31:46,100
to be vital we communicate with them

4682
03:31:46,100 --> 03:31:50,100
on a more frequent basis than once per

4683
03:31:50,100 --> 03:31:51,100
year.

4684
03:31:51,100 --> 03:31:53,100
>> maybe one of the times could be

4685
03:31:53,100 --> 03:31:55,100
less technical because the report that

4686
03:31:55,100 --> 03:31:58,601
you're providing prior to april is

4687
03:32:01,100 --> 03:32:03,100
very specific for the state.

4688
03:32:03,100 --> 03:32:05,100
>> it's very labor intensive.

4689
03:32:05,100 --> 03:32:08,100
>> but this other thing could be less

4690
03:32:08,100 --> 03:32:09,100
technical.

4691
03:32:09,100 --> 03:32:11,100
>> for reference --

4692
03:32:11,100 --> 03:32:14,100
>> to the point, it's the type of

4693
03:32:14,100 --> 03:32:15,100
buildings.

4694
03:32:15,100 --> 03:32:17,100
if you're going to hit a 20% mark with

4695
03:32:17,100 --> 03:32:19,100
a density bonus, it's going to take

4696
03:32:19,100 --> 03:32:22,100
3500 units to reach 774 and that's

4697
03:32:25,100 --> 03:32:27,100
over 10 thousand of our city.

4698
03:32:27,100 --> 03:32:30,100
>> may I ask a question?

4699
03:32:31,100 --> 03:32:34,100
>> that's going to be to be in density

4700
03:32:34,100 --> 03:32:36,100
>> as we consider whether there's a

4701
03:32:36,100 --> 03:32:39,100
second to advance this, but would

4702
03:32:39,100 --> 03:32:42,601
presenting it twice year, would those

4703
03:32:43,100 --> 03:32:45,100
numbers typically change?

4704
03:32:45,100 --> 03:32:46,100
I know it's very labor intensive, so

4705
03:32:46,100 --> 03:32:49,100
does it move the needle, is it a huge

4706
03:32:49,100 --> 03:32:51,100
change you would see between if you

4707
03:32:51,100 --> 03:32:53,100
report it in march and then you report

4708
03:32:53,100 --> 03:32:56,100
it again six months later?

4709
03:32:59,100 --> 03:33:02,100
>> it depends how many projects are

4710
03:33:02,100 --> 03:33:04,100
being built in that timeframe or how

4711
03:33:04,100 --> 03:33:07,601
many building perms are being issued

4712
03:33:08,100 --> 03:33:10,100
every year.

4713
03:33:10,100 --> 03:33:11,100
it's a little bit different.

4714
03:33:11,100 --> 03:33:14,100
the you look at the progress reports

4715
03:33:14,100 --> 03:33:15,100
for the last -- since the initiation

4716
03:33:15,100 --> 03:33:19,100
of this current sixth cycle, what you

4717
03:33:19,100 --> 03:33:22,100
are going to see is not that much

4718
03:33:22,100 --> 03:33:24,100
movement on the affordable units which

4719
03:33:24,100 --> 03:33:26,100
really is what we're trying to see

4720
03:33:26,100 --> 03:33:28,100
here.

4721
03:33:29,100 --> 03:33:32,601
as typical for most cities, you're

4722
03:33:34,100 --> 03:33:35,100
going to see that number for the

4723
03:33:35,100 --> 03:33:37,100
above market rate units continue to

4724
03:33:37,100 --> 03:33:39,100
increase because that's where we see

4725
03:33:39,100 --> 03:33:44,401
the most growth but what does h -- is

4726
03:33:49,100 --> 03:33:50,100
hcd really looking at?

4727
03:33:50,100 --> 03:33:52,100
>> if I may, mr. Mayor?

4728
03:33:52,100 --> 03:33:55,100
>> the if I can make just one comment

4729
03:33:55,100 --> 03:33:58,100
about defending the twice a year, that

4730
03:33:58,100 --> 03:34:02,100
people wake up to it, if you have the

4731
03:34:02,100 --> 03:34:05,100
ability to talk to them twice a year

4732
03:34:05,100 --> 03:34:07,100
instead of having them to wait.

4733
03:34:07,100 --> 03:34:09,100
they can make decisions about what to

4734
03:34:09,100 --> 03:34:10,100
do about it.

4735
03:34:10,100 --> 03:34:13,100
we have an example of a home that was

4736
03:34:13,100 --> 03:34:15,100
sold adjacent, they lost 400 thousand

4737
03:34:15,100 --> 03:34:17,100
dollars in market value of that home,

4738
03:34:17,100 --> 03:34:20,100
these are big questions our residents

4739
03:34:20,100 --> 03:34:22,100
want answered so as they go along,

4740
03:34:22,100 --> 03:34:23,100
they're learning about it, so I think

4741
03:34:23,100 --> 03:34:27,100
we should have the availability of as

4742
03:34:27,100 --> 03:34:30,100
many meetings as possible to get that

4743
03:34:30,100 --> 03:34:31,100
information.

4744
03:34:31,100 --> 03:34:33,100
>> if I may, I think we previously

4745
03:34:33,100 --> 03:34:36,100
asked for an agenda item to be added,

4746
03:34:36,100 --> 03:34:38,100
a future agenda item of a housing task

4747
03:34:38,100 --> 03:34:40,100
force because I think what we're

4748
03:34:40,100 --> 03:34:42,100
looking for isn't just the reporting

4749
03:34:42,100 --> 03:34:45,100
of information but what can we do with

4750
03:34:45,100 --> 03:34:49,100
that information and how can our city

4751
03:34:49,100 --> 03:34:53,100
work best to -- because I think I'm

4752
03:34:53,100 --> 03:34:55,100
hearing what you're saying is that the

4753
03:34:55,100 --> 03:34:58,100
amount of building that will be

4754
03:34:58,100 --> 03:34:59,100
required doesn't address the actual

4755
03:34:59,100 --> 03:35:01,401
problem of affordability, right,

4756
03:35:02,100 --> 03:35:05,100
because in order to even meet those

4757
03:35:05,100 --> 03:35:06,100
numbers, so I think the reporting of

4758
03:35:06,100 --> 03:35:10,100
it is one thing which annually sounds

4759
03:35:10,100 --> 03:35:15,100
to me like it suffices but we have the

4760
03:35:15,100 --> 03:35:19,100
second ability to see what our city

4761
03:35:19,100 --> 03:35:22,100
can do to act upon those numbers and

4762
03:35:22,100 --> 03:35:25,100
help us guide our policy on what we

4763
03:35:25,100 --> 03:35:30,100
can even do to address that, so it's a

4764
03:35:30,100 --> 03:35:33,100
two segmented, you know, area that I

4765
03:35:33,100 --> 03:35:36,100
say one is the reporting which I think

4766
03:35:36,100 --> 03:35:38,100
is very helpful and stefan e-mailed

4767
03:35:38,100 --> 03:35:40,100
and you say we saw the numbers and

4768
03:35:40,100 --> 03:35:43,100
it is very helpful and that's one

4769
03:35:43,100 --> 03:35:44,100
component of it.

4770
03:35:44,100 --> 03:35:48,100
the other is the what do we do about

4771
03:35:48,100 --> 03:35:50,100
it which is the task force which I

4772
03:35:50,100 --> 03:35:52,100
think we already have as a future

4773
03:35:52,100 --> 03:35:53,100
agenda item.

4774
03:35:53,100 --> 03:35:54,100
>> it's scheduled for october.

4775
03:35:54,100 --> 03:35:57,601
>> the task force, what are they

4776
03:36:00,100 --> 03:36:01,100
going to do, appeal to

4777
03:36:01,100 --> 03:36:03,100
sacramento.

4778
03:36:03,100 --> 03:36:05,100
>> we explore what options we can do

4779
03:36:05,100 --> 03:36:07,100
and whether or not we communicate the

4780
03:36:07,100 --> 03:36:09,100
information which is what you're

4781
03:36:09,100 --> 03:36:11,100
asking and getting the information out

4782
03:36:11,100 --> 03:36:14,100
there, the task force, one of the

4783
03:36:14,100 --> 03:36:16,100
functions may be, hey, how do we

4784
03:36:16,100 --> 03:36:19,100
communicate this to let our residents

4785
03:36:19,100 --> 03:36:21,100
know, so it inverses them more

4786
03:36:21,100 --> 03:36:24,601
flexibility and it's more nimble than

4787
03:36:25,100 --> 03:36:28,100
just a city reporting requirement.

4788
03:36:28,100 --> 03:36:30,100
so I just implore you to consider that

4789
03:36:30,100 --> 03:36:33,100
as a vehicle for doing what we need to

4790
03:36:33,100 --> 03:36:35,100
do versus having staff dedicate a lot

4791
03:36:35,100 --> 03:36:38,100
of time to report out numbers.

4792
03:36:38,100 --> 03:36:40,100
we can get those numbers and then

4793
03:36:40,100 --> 03:36:42,100
with the task force actually work with

4794
03:36:42,100 --> 03:36:45,100
our residents and work with our

4795
03:36:45,100 --> 03:36:47,100
public officials to do something with

4796
03:36:47,100 --> 03:36:48,100
those numbers.

4797
03:36:48,100 --> 03:36:49,100
>> councilmember charelian?

4798
03:36:49,100 --> 03:36:53,100
>> thank you, mayor, and, you know, I

4799
03:36:53,100 --> 03:36:57,201
brought up this item because it's on

4800
03:36:58,100 --> 03:37:01,100
everybody's mind, it's the number one

4801
03:37:01,100 --> 03:37:04,100
thing that is happening in this city

4802
03:37:04,100 --> 03:37:08,801
and the town, it used to be streets,

4803
03:37:10,100 --> 03:37:11,100
[inaudible] budgeters and now it's

4804
03:37:11,100 --> 03:37:13,100
affordable housing and everything else

4805
03:37:13,100 --> 03:37:15,100
that goes along with it.

4806
03:37:15,100 --> 03:37:17,100
I'm for I know it's a complex process

4807
03:37:17,100 --> 03:37:21,100
to get the annual report done, but

4808
03:37:21,100 --> 03:37:23,100
mayor, would you be okay with less of

4809
03:37:23,100 --> 03:37:27,100
a -- to do it twice a year but less of

4810
03:37:27,100 --> 03:37:28,100
a comprehensive report.

4811
03:37:28,100 --> 03:37:30,100
>> yes, just so people can understand

4812
03:37:30,100 --> 03:37:31,100
what's happening.

4813
03:37:31,100 --> 03:37:33,100
>> I think task force is important but

4814
03:37:33,100 --> 03:37:35,100
we have not defined it.

4815
03:37:35,100 --> 03:37:38,100
we are already behind because the

4816
03:37:38,100 --> 03:37:42,100
public wants to know and if they're

4817
03:37:42,100 --> 03:37:45,100
looking for us -- if this is something

4818
03:37:45,100 --> 03:37:47,100
to do to be further transparent and

4819
03:37:47,100 --> 03:37:50,100
give them more information, 180 days

4820
03:37:50,100 --> 03:37:52,100
instead of 360 days, maybe it's a

4821
03:37:52,100 --> 03:37:55,100
lesser approach versus a technical, an

4822
03:37:55,100 --> 03:37:58,601
annual responsibility that we have but

4823
03:37:59,100 --> 03:38:02,100
if you're okay with a --

4824
03:38:02,100 --> 03:38:05,100
>> yeah, less technical is fine.

4825
03:38:06,100 --> 03:38:07,100
>> that's our responsibility.

4826
03:38:07,100 --> 03:38:11,100
>> it's getting the word out, why this

4827
03:38:11,100 --> 03:38:13,100
nine story monstrosity is going to be

4828
03:38:13,100 --> 03:38:15,100
going up next to your house.

4829
03:38:15,100 --> 03:38:16,100
>> you have the --

4830
03:38:16,100 --> 03:38:19,100
>> we have a second, yeah.

4831
03:38:19,100 --> 03:38:21,100
>> who's the second?

4832
03:38:23,100 --> 03:38:24,100
>> [inaudible].

4833
03:38:24,100 --> 03:38:25,100
>> okay.

4834
03:38:25,100 --> 03:38:27,100
>> I think we want the same thing.

4835
03:38:27,100 --> 03:38:30,100
>> I think we have to find a way how

4836
03:38:30,100 --> 03:38:32,100
to best move it forward, okay.

4837
03:38:32,100 --> 03:38:34,100
>> okay, and I got a city manager

4838
03:38:34,100 --> 03:38:35,100
report.

4839
03:38:35,100 --> 03:38:37,100
>> sorry, mr. Mayor, item number

4840
03:38:37,100 --> 03:38:41,201
17, I think we need a third vote.

4841
03:38:43,100 --> 03:38:45,100
>> that's right, I'm sorry, 17,

4842
03:38:45,100 --> 03:38:47,100
consideration of a request by

4843
03:38:47,100 --> 03:38:48,100
councilmember lesser and councilmember

4844
03:38:48,100 --> 03:38:50,100
howorth to discuss potential code

4845
03:38:50,100 --> 03:38:52,100
amendments to allow a farmers' market

4846
03:38:52,100 --> 03:38:53,100
--

4847
03:38:53,100 --> 03:38:54,100
>> third.

4848
03:38:54,100 --> 03:38:55,100
>> there's your third.

4849
03:38:55,100 --> 03:38:57,100
okay, so noted.

4850
03:38:57,100 --> 03:38:59,100
n, city manager report?

4851
03:38:59,100 --> 03:39:01,100
>> thank you, mayor, I would like to

4852
03:39:01,100 --> 03:39:03,100
remind the council and the public that we

4853
03:39:03,100 --> 03:39:06,100
are going dark on september 1 so there

4854
03:39:06,100 --> 03:39:08,100
will be no council meeting until

4855
03:39:08,100 --> 03:39:10,100
september 15th.

4856
03:39:12,100 --> 03:39:13,100
>> great.

4857
03:39:13,100 --> 03:39:14,100
>> thank you.

4858
03:39:14,100 --> 03:39:16,100
>> city attorney report?

4859
03:39:22,100 --> 03:39:24,100
>> nothing report this evening.

4860
03:39:24,100 --> 03:39:26,100
>> okay, thank you.

4861
03:39:32,100 --> 03:39:34,100
and then, I don't know, it says here

4862
03:39:34,100 --> 03:39:36,401
closed session for q.

4863
03:39:37,100 --> 03:39:38,100
>> only if needed.

4864
03:39:38,100 --> 03:39:41,100
>> no, it was not needed so there is

4865
03:39:41,100 --> 03:39:43,100
no action needed.

4866
03:39:43,100 --> 03:39:47,100
>> so, r, adjournment to -- we will be

4867
03:39:47,100 --> 03:39:50,100
adjourned until september 15th at 4