1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:13,320 yes okay um I'd like to call to order the Maplewood city council meeting for 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,760 Tuesday December 10th 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:25,160 and uh when we do Zoom do we do a pledge of 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:30,880 allegiance I didn't bring a flag with me uh 5 00:00:26,439 --> 00:00:37,399 but uh I pledge allegiance United States America and to 6 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:37,399 the 7 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,040 stand 8 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:52,520 indivisible thank you uh roll call please council member 9 00:00:49,559 --> 00:01:03,080 Perell council member faulkingham council member Garcia here 10 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:06,760 mayor Greenberg here council member hom here council member 11 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:16,759 Maddox and council member Paige here okay mayor Greenberg a quorum is present 12 00:01:15,119 --> 00:01:21,720 uh item number four is a motion to excuse council members Carell uh 13 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:27,280 faulkingham and Maddox so moved 14 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:32,920 seconded any discussion 15 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:39,960 uh all those in favor I I any opposed the council members are 16 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:46,159 excused uh item number five is the approval of the Count Council 17 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:52,040 agenda I'll entertain a motion motion to approve 18 00:01:47,799 --> 00:02:02,039 seconded we have a motion to Second any discussion uh all those in favor I any 19 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:07,960 opposed the council agenda is approved uh item number six is the approval of 20 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:13,800 the November 12th 2024 city council meeting 21 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:22,020 minutes I need a motion motion to approve second second okay is there any 22 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:29,200 discussion I was not there so uh [Music] 23 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:36,640 uh okay uh so Jackie can I vote to approve those if I wasn't in 24 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:41,760 attendance that is a question I don't have the answer to Mayor um I think 25 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:50,040 probably not so we may need to pass that to the next 26 00:02:42,959 --> 00:02:56,680 meeting okay uh then I will uh delay to table uh I yes I'll need a motion table 27 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:02,599 can you motion to put it on the next agenda instead of tabling okay that'll 28 00:03:00,239 --> 00:03:08,799 easier procedurally motion to move to the January agenda 29 00:03:04,799 --> 00:03:14,360 seconded we have a motion to Second any discussion uh all those in favor I I I 30 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:22,239 any opposed the motion will be or the uh 31 00:03:18,519 --> 00:03:27,599 approval of the minutes will be uh dealt with in in January then the next meeting 32 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:31,360 item number seven is a public hearing to hear citizens comments on a request by 33 00:03:29,799 --> 00:03:38,879 the Maplewood Richmond Height School District to reone 2555 Oakland Avenue 34 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:43,760 from PA public activity District to Sr single family residential 35 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:48,680 district uh do we have anyone in the audience that uh has raise their hand 36 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:55,239 for this I do not see any Zoom hands 37 00:03:51,799 --> 00:04:02,640 mayor okay uh if that is the case then uh 38 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:08,640 unless Dr well Dr Jameson will have a a chance 39 00:04:05,799 --> 00:04:12,000 later on to to address this but uh as far as the public forum I will consider 40 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:17,120 it closed uh item number eight is the 41 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:23,040 public forum uh which allows anyone that's 42 00:04:20,799 --> 00:04:29,440 watching us or listening to us tonight to address the Council on any matter uh 43 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:36,080 you keep in mind that there's a second public C for him later in the meeting uh 44 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:39,880 so if you miss the first one or you hear something that we've said that you'd 45 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:43,080 like to respond to you'll have another opportunity is there anyone that has a 46 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,840 raised hand no there is not ma'am okay so uh 47 00:04:47,039 --> 00:05:00,560 public forum is now closed sorry uh Mr John KN house I'll 48 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:00,560 allow him to enter okay uh at this point 49 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:10,039 Mr KN house if you unmute we'll be able to hear you can you hear me now yes 50 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:15,800 sound great I I didn't know if I was on um okay yeah I just want to uh just 51 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:20,319 briefly um I leave at 7461 Hazel Avenue I'm sure you guys have uh know who I am 52 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:25,600 um I I just wanted to I know I sent an email to some of the council people with 53 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:30,800 just a pck uh a couple pictures just to illustrate um the box trucks that would 54 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:35,840 be that are parted on their present um parking lot at side Project brewery and 55 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:41,440 where they are parked um that's where the egress is going to be on to the new 56 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:45,840 um parking lot so I guess my our family's concern is um if that egress is 57 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:50,960 going to be there where will they be parking their box trucks um in the 58 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:56,720 future and and my concern is our family's concern is they're going to be 59 00:05:52,840 --> 00:06:02,240 parking the box trucks um at those two parallel spots that are parallel to um 60 00:05:59,919 --> 00:06:06,199 our backyard and if You' if you've looked at the picture you can see how 61 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:11,759 tall those box trucks are how obnoxious they look um so I know the buffering 62 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:15,520 will be there um but I guess we're just hoping that with that visual you can see 63 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:22,639 that the most buffering we're going to need is um whatever we can get you know 64 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:26,759 tall coniferous trees um so that that's kind of my concern I guess we're just 65 00:06:24,039 --> 00:06:30,919 asking if you could at least just discuss that our concern that the box 66 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:36,319 trucks will be there instead of what it was intended to be of of customer 67 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:40,759 parking um and it one more thing real quick is you can see with uh that that 68 00:06:38,479 --> 00:06:45,680 Pensky yellow truck the the other truck is the food truck and I guess I I I 69 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:50,039 wanted to picture that there um because that was that was there for several 70 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:54,000 weeks and I I think it it kind of just we don't have a lot of faith in their in 71 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:58,759 their sensibility or their awareness of of how that affects us as a neighbor um 72 00:06:57,479 --> 00:07:05,080 and we're kind of depending on the council and to make sure that everything 73 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:09,530 is done that um you know that sensibility can can be there once that 74 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:13,000 new parking lot is there [Applause] 75 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:16,160 so that's pretty much all I want to say I've said a lot in previous uh meetings 76 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:20,680 but thank you for the opportunity okay thank 77 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:25,440 you uh I wasn't part of the previous 78 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:32,160 discussion but we'll have a discussion with the 79 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:39,479 uh with S Pro project and express your concerns to them uh and hopefully we can 80 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:44,360 come to a reasonable resolution of the matter uh are there any other hands 81 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:50,080 raised at the public for the public forum there or not okay then we'll move 82 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:55,440 on to item number nine which are announcements we have some announcements 83 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:59,560 here yeah I just um keep I'll keep it short and sweet uh Maplewood fire 84 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:04,840 department is going to be driving Santa around and that is coming up on December 85 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:10,400 14th and 15th um north side of Manchester on the 14th 86 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:15,840 uh Southside on the 15th they've got the map posted on their Facebook page from a 87 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:22,120 couple days back um it's super fun so you know it's fun good 88 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:25,759 times okay I mean last year I got to ride in the fir truck so that was like 89 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,479 the highlight of my December I'm not even joking about that but hopefully you 90 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:36,360 don't have to ride in the ambulance anytime soon for 91 00:08:33,599 --> 00:08:45,320 sure are there any other any other announcements no okay uh item number 10 92 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:51,399 then is a uh a a report on the Mr School District by Dr Bonita Jamison the 93 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:58,720 superintendent uh and we have visual aids to uh to help 94 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,720 too 95 00:09:07,079 --> 00:09:15,399 Dr Jameson you're still muted good evening mayor Greenberg 96 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:20,279 Council and community members I come before you today to give a brief update 97 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:25,399 on the happenings in Maple Richmond High School District and if you can recall 98 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:31,079 last August I gave a presentation to the city council in regards to our newly 99 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:35,480 adopted Ed strategic planning the progress that we've actually made so 100 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,839 during that report I discussed primarily all of the five priority areas in 101 00:09:38,079 --> 00:09:44,800 addition to our mission vision and core values tonight I will be giving an 102 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:49,640 update on two of our priority areas which are for our students which is the 103 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:56,000 academic component of our plan and for our resources which is both the 104 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,000 financial and Facilities aspect of our 105 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:03,920 plan so I want to start off with uh dist and Rome by levels uh contrary to most 106 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:08,079 school districts in the state Mr has continued to remain constant with our 107 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:11,600 enrollment and actually having increases at both the elementary school and also 108 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:17,200 slight increases at some of the grade levels at the high school but you can 109 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:22,720 see the numbers pk12 for the district we have approximately 1 1550 students in 110 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:27,040 the district currently um the district priority and 111 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:30,959 goals which is for our students the academic component I do want to 112 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:37,079 highlight two designations that were actually received um by Niche um in 2025 113 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:42,000 the district actually received an a rating and actually ranked nine out of 114 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:46,079 459 districts within the state of Missouri and for us news rankings for 115 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:52,279 best high schools the high school actually ranked 24th in the state of 116 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:57,320 Missouri for the best high school in Missouri this is the highlight of the 117 00:10:54,680 --> 00:11:02,160 work that the staff uh under the guidance of the Board of Education have 118 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:06,320 contributed for this year so uh we've had a couple of Articles run in the St 119 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Louis Post Dispatch highlighting some of the growth that the district has had um 120 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:18,800 this year so we ranked fourth out of 552 districts within the state and we are in 121 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:23,360 the top 1% of the districts in the state and we were ranked second out of the 23 122 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,360 school districts in St Louis County so the comparison for those districts would 123 00:11:24,959 --> 00:11:32,200 actually be a Webster Groves a Kirkwood and there was only one District that 124 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:36,519 performed or earned higher percentages than Maplewood Richmond Heights which 125 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:41,480 was our neighbors z brenwood uh we um were highlighted in a several of our 126 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:47,760 articles for a 12% increase in total APR points earned an 11% increase in English 127 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:53,079 and 6% increase in math overall so for the district for our total annual 128 00:11:49,399 --> 00:11:57,360 performance report score we earn 97% of the scores and you can see for the 129 00:11:55,399 --> 00:12:02,040 performance uh score which is the academic component of the annual 130 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:08,200 performance report the district earned 135 points out of the 140 total points 131 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:13,160 and for continuous Improvement which is in regards to our strategic plan which 132 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:17,839 um the two priority areas that I'm reporting on today fit within continuous 133 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:24,560 Improvement we earned 59 out of the 60 points possible for the school 134 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:29,160 district um the next priority area that I would like to highlight is for our 135 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:33,560 resources and this also includes fac facilities and so here we talk about 136 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:38,959 looking at the systems within our facilities and using the information 137 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:45,959 that we acquire for decisionmaking and then also looking at uh transparency for 138 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:51,480 the community in regards to our fiscal management so a couple of things the 139 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:56,360 district actually recently received an unmodified opinion on its financial 140 00:12:53,800 --> 00:13:03,040 statements for the fiscal year 2024 by our Auditors KB and also unmodified 141 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:07,160 opinion on um the state and federal reporting package and basically what 142 00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:13,360 that means is that's the highest level of uh recognition for Assurance issued 143 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:18,920 by Auditors in addition to compliance with all uh regulations another area 144 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:23,240 that I would like to highlight um in regards to the district's finances is 145 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,880 our ability to actually not only seek out grants to off offset some of our 146 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:32,760 costs but to actually be awarded those grants so part of the work and I didn't 147 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:36,880 talk about the academic component and some of the work that we're doing around 148 00:13:34,279 --> 00:13:41,959 Competency Based education but Maple World Richmond Heights was one of a few 149 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:45,839 districts that received a $400,000 Grant from the Missouri Department of 150 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Elementary and secondary education um We are continuing to improve the safety of 151 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:56,079 our facilities for our students and community and we received 152 00:13:53,360 --> 00:14:01,240 $25,000 Grant from the state department for that as well as well as several 153 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:07,160 technology grants from ITF so we've been working uh diligently 154 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:12,240 to not only be prudent in our expenditures but to identify additional 155 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:16,279 streaming Revenue sources to offset cost and as previously mentioned two of the 156 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:20,440 homes we are actually selling and giving back to the city with the hopes of 157 00:14:18,199 --> 00:14:25,399 having families to come in to uh contribute to increasing enrollment 158 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:30,639 numbers for the uh District I also have included here a historical operating 159 00:14:27,959 --> 00:14:37,839 fund balance just give Community an idea of where we have been from 2016 through 160 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:42,560 2025 which would be our ending fund balance so starting from 161 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:48,399 2016 uh the district had approximately a 19% fund balance and as you can see it 162 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,839 continued to grow over time and you see an increase going from 2019 all the way 163 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:58,639 through 2022 and we think about the pandemic and Co and some of the funds 164 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:02,639 received from the federal government to support support um our community during 165 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:08,279 the pandemic and now what you're seeing now are intentional uh spin downs and 166 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:14,600 part of that is the district's uh effort to actually improve the retention of 167 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:17,839 staff and very sizable raises were given in the past two years which were 168 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:23,720 approved by the board but there is still work yet to be done because the district 169 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:28,240 currently um ranks within the bottom two from the St Louis County region for the 170 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:34,160 round 23 districts that are in the St Louis County for certified staff teacher 171 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,800 salaries um so that's just an update around where we are for our 172 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:43,880 resources um there are always opportunities for Community to get 173 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:49,480 engaged including uh mayor and the council um on December 17th if you have 174 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:54,440 not signed up the high school are having capstones and you have an opportunity to 175 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:57,920 see and hear from our students as well as giving feedback on their 176 00:15:55,959 --> 00:16:02,720 presentations and they have put a lot of work and time and then on December 19th 177 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:09,399 it's the Board of Education meeting there we will be talking about um the 178 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:15,079 potential for a bond and also a potential Debt Service transfer which 179 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:19,600 would be uh a tax rate a no tax rate increase for the community if the board 180 00:16:16,839 --> 00:16:25,040 decides to move forward and that will hopefully give us an opportunity to 181 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:29,759 continue to compensate competitively our teachers so that we can keep our valued 182 00:16:27,079 --> 00:16:33,639 uh resources and if you are bored and have absolutely nothing to do and are 183 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,800 looking forward to being around some great individuals who are being of 184 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:43,160 service to the school district we do have an opportunity for um our community 185 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:47,319 to join um several strategic plan committees which are led by board 186 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:52,440 members and members of the maple Richmond Height cabinet level 187 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:57,639 team that concludes my presentation for this evening I welcome any questions you 188 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,639 may have 189 00:16:59,959 --> 00:17:05,520 uh no questions for me just a comment uh you touched on it but I want to say 190 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:09,799 congratulations and kudos for all of the accolades every time I turn around I 191 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:15,000 read or or hear something about the school district um a couple of which you 192 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,000 named and also you know I saw a report recently that Mr is one of the only 193 00:17:16,679 --> 00:17:22,520 districts that's been able to make gains and continue to progress forward after 194 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:27,000 covid um so thanks for all the work you're doing 195 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:30,960 I think it's it's at least being recognized and um I appreciate it I 196 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,120 attended the work session recently that you guys had to talk about the fund 197 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,600 balance and to talk about some of those bonds and tax rate increases I know 198 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,880 there are challenges but I appreciate the work that the administration and 199 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:45,600 board are doing right now so keep up to good work thank you and I'd be remissed 200 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:49,679 to not mention the efforts that our teachers put in to ensure that the level 201 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,799 of growth that we're seeing in our students they put in a lot of time and 202 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:58,080 are committed to the vision and mission of the district so thank you for that 203 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:12,520 any other questions thank you very much for having 204 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,520 me thank you thank 205 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:21,919 you uh we'll move on to item number 11 which is a resolution of the city 206 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:25,760 council of the city of Maplewood Missouri appointing Mary Killian to the 207 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:32,240 Human Services Commission in establishing her term of office as 208 00:18:28,159 --> 00:18:32,240 expiring on June 30th 209 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:40,919 2026 and I have a motion motion to approve 210 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:46,960 seconded a motion and second any discussion uh I think she'll be a good 211 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:51,520 addition to the commission uh roll call vote 212 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:57,520 please council member Garcia 213 00:18:53,120 --> 00:19:02,559 yes mayor Greenberg yes council member hom 214 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:09,559 yes council member Paige yes resolution 2463 is 215 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:14,120 approved thank you item number 12 is a resolution of the city council of the 216 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:19,200 city of Maplewood Missouri appointing Janine I hope I got that first name 217 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:25,000 correct uh Janine Dallas to the Human Services Commission and establishing her 218 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:28,000 term of office as expiring on June 30th 2027 219 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:40,880 seconded second is there any discussion roll call vote please mayor 220 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:47,880 Greenberg yes council member hom yes council member Paige yes council 221 00:19:45,679 --> 00:19:56,039 member Garcia yes hey resolution 2464 is approved 222 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:59,480 thank you item number 30 13 is a resolution of the city council of the 223 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:05,200 city of Maplewood Missouri appointing Adam valenc to the Human Services 224 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:10,000 Commission and establishing his term of office as expiring on June 30th 225 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:17,960 2028 motion to approve seconded uh we have a motion a second is 226 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:22,280 there any discussion roll call vote please council 227 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:29,440 member Garcia yes mayor Greenberg yes council 228 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,840 member hom yes council member Paige 229 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:44,440 yes all right resolution 2465 is approved okay uh item number 14 is a 230 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,720 resolution of the city council of the city of Maplewood Missouri appointing 231 00:20:45,919 --> 00:20:55,240 Paul McFarland to the sustainability commission establishing his term of 232 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,240 office as expiring June 30th 233 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:05,000 2028 uh motion to approve seconded we have a motion a second is there any 234 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:09,640 discussion roll call please actually I do have one question you I I I'm looking 235 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:14,640 at the packet it shows expiring June 30th 236 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:20,360 2025 the update to the packet there was a little mismatch in the agenda that uh 237 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:25,880 was posted separately from the packet the experation dates are correct in the 238 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:33,080 packet that's posted online currently okay okay any other disc 239 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:42,559 session then roll call please council member Paige yes council member Garcia 240 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:50,760 yes mayor Greenberg yes council member hom yes hey resolution 2466 is 241 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:56,200 approved thank you item number 15 is Bill number 242 00:21:52,799 --> 00:22:02,480 6265 an ordinance of the city council of Maplewood uh the city of Maplewood 243 00:21:58,159 --> 00:22:09,600 Missouri to reone 2555 Oakland Avenue from PA public activity District to Sr 244 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,600 single family residenti residential 245 00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:21,400 district I'll entertain approve seconded uh is there any 246 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:31,039 discussion um Dr Jameson isn't available but uh the the property is at the corner 247 00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:37,000 of of Oakland uh facing the the high school uh for those that don't know 248 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:44,320 where it is it was previously a single family residential zone property and it 249 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:50,679 would be returned to single family uh is there any any other 250 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:54,760 comments uh the city manager would like to 251 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:59,240 make glad the house will be returning to the market and uh adding another 252 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:02,960 residence to our community yeah that's great news I'm really biased because 253 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,520 it's not far from where I live but it's a really nice 254 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:17,919 neighborhood uh any other discussion all those in favor I I I any 255 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:21,600 opposed uh SEC second reading bill number 6265 an ordinance of the city 256 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:27,880 council of the city of Maplewood Missouri to reone 2555 Oakland Avenue 257 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:34,120 from PA public activity District to Sr single family residential 258 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:41,080 district motion to approve seconded any further 259 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:46,840 discussion all those in favor I I any opposed the motion will move to its 260 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:52,720 third and final reading to be held at our next 261 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:57,480 meeting uh item number 16 is Bill number 6256 in ordinance of this city council 262 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,799 of the city of Maplewood Missouri authorizing the city manager to execute 263 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,200 an interoperable radio system user 264 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:11,559 agreement with St Louis County in my understanding this is uh with regards to 265 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:17,360 the emergency Community Communications radio 266 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:23,679 system and uh so uh what what is the nature of the the 267 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:29,799 agreement U the agreement uh allows us to basically uh share operations of our 268 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:34,480 emergency Radio Systems with St Louis County um and this is an agreement that 269 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:39,919 is in existence now and will continue now for another uh 10 years to allow 270 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:50,039 more coordinated emergency response across the county is there any cost on 271 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:59,480 our part there is now okay are there uh okay so uh I'll entertain a motion 272 00:24:57,159 --> 00:25:04,520 motion to approve seconded uh we have a motion to second 273 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,520 is there any 274 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:13,960 discussion I think you've answered the questions that I had uh all those in 275 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:19,320 favor I I I any opposed uh second reading bill number 6256 an ordinance of 276 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:24,440 the city council of the city of Maplewood Missouri authorizing the city 277 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:29,440 manager to execute an interoperable radio system user agreement with St 278 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:33,919 Louis County motion to approve 279 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:40,399 seconded we have motion a second any further 280 00:25:34,919 --> 00:25:44,440 discussion all those in favor I I I any opposed uh the third and final reading 281 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:49,760 will be held at our next meeting we'll move on to item number 17 282 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:54,080 which is Bill number 6267 an emergency ordinance of the city 283 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,320 council of the city of Maplewood Missouri amending the capital 284 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:03,559 Improvement fund Sewer Lateral fund Firehouse bond fund Hanley Road special 285 00:26:00,919 --> 00:26:09,919 allocation fund and the Cambridge common special allocation fund budgets for the 286 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:13,360 fisal year beginning July 1st 2023 through June 30th 287 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:24,840 2024 uh would the city manager like to briefly uh explain the need for the an 288 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:29,240 emergency ordinance yeah absolutely so our audit is just about to be closed 289 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,880 obviously we want make sure that our books are correct for the previous 290 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:37,080 fiscal year we only have one meeting this month in order to pass this 291 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:41,720 ordinance before the end of the calendar year which is the time that we need to 292 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,440 submit our audit findings um and our financial reporting to the state of 293 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:49,799 Missouri to remain in compliance okay so that means we'll be 294 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:57,320 reading it three times including the the third and final reading uh right now so 295 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:01,240 uh for the first reading I'll entertain a motion 296 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:06,240 motion to approve seconded and we have a motion to second 297 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:14,520 is there any further discussion amongst Council 298 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:20,159 here um all those in favor I I any opposed uh second reading bill number 299 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:23,720 6267 an emergency ordinance of the city council of the city of Maplewood 300 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:28,919 Missouri amending the capital Improvement fund Sewer Lateral fund 301 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:33,840 Firehouse bond fund Hanley Road special allocation fund and Cambridge common 302 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:40,559 special allocation fund budgets for the fiscal year beginning July 1st 2023 303 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:45,880 through June 30th 2024 motion to 304 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:52,720 approve seconded we have a motion a second any discussion all those in favor 305 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:59,240 I I I any opposed uh final reading uh bill number 306 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:02,640 6267 an emergency ordinance of the city council of the city of Maplewood 307 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:07,159 Missouri amending the capital Improvement fund Sewer Lateral fund 308 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:11,640 Firehouse bond fund Hanley Road special allocation fund and Cambridge common 309 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:18,880 special allocation fund budgets for the fiscal year begin beginning July 1st 310 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,880 2023 through June 30th 311 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:29,279 2024 motion to approve seconded we have a motion a second uh any 312 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:38,720 discussion uh roll call vote please council member Garcia yes mayor 313 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:44,559 Greenberg yes council member hom yes council member Paige yes he bill 314 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:54,919 number 6267 ordinance 6059 is approved thank 315 00:28:50,039 --> 00:29:00,200 you uh item number 18 is Bill number 6263 an ordinance of the city council of 316 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:07,240 the city of Maplewood Missouri to reone the northern 317 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:13,720 3,360 ft portion of 7443 Hazel Avenue from single family residential district 318 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,720 to CB community business 319 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:24,919 district we need motion to approve seconded okay we have a motion second is 320 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:31,840 zing discussion I wasn't part of the first discussion at the last meeting uh 321 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:36,640 and we've heard from the immediate nextdoor neighbor with his 322 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:47,080 concerns uh but not necessarily a uh uh he he 323 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:51,919 wants issues to be addressed but uh didn't necessarily Express 324 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:56,200 opposition um yeah well I I had one item we we 325 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:59,159 talked about this at length um when this was last on the agenda last meeting 326 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:04,679 meeting um I think you know we had Mr King from 327 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,600 side project in the council chambers he answered some questions for us one of 328 00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:13,039 the questions I asked was if that space would be planned to be utilized to move 329 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,640 the food truck back um based on my notes his answer was no they want the food 330 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:21,720 they want the food truck to be as close to the facility as possible um so I 331 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:26,440 expect that it's just temporarily being parked there but I I think it would be 332 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:32,240 good if we could reiterate that that you know the proposed use for customer 333 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:35,519 parking and based on the images that he provided in the email Mr KN house 334 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:39,960 provided in the email that he sent earlier this evening um all those trucks 335 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:45,159 both the food truck and the box truck that's parked 336 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:49,840 there proceed way past any privacy fence that could be put up so I do understand 337 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:55,799 the need for the buffering to be you know as mature Conor trees as can be 338 00:30:52,559 --> 00:31:00,320 planted um and I think if the city can help to compel as part of this Pro Pro 339 00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:03,840 those things to be done it would be in the best interest of both the neighbors 340 00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:09,559 and uh the business so that's my only comment on the matter yeah I I agree um 341 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:15,480 there's a huge difference on impact if you live right behind it if someone's 342 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:19,480 parking a sedan behind a fence versus um you know a large box truck and you know 343 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:24,240 mayor Greenberg one of the points made when it was asked last the last session 344 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:28,799 about if like the food truck would be put back there is the food truck 345 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:34,080 functions as the kitchen for um side project so they made the very strong 346 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,840 point that it makes no sense to make your staff go farther between your 347 00:31:36,919 --> 00:31:43,600 kitchen production site essentially and your customers especially when you have 348 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:48,480 weather that's cold or hot you know so um to council member H's Point that's 349 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,960 kind of why I'm hoping that this is just a temporary placement well maybe another 350 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:56,360 part of the lot was being utilized for something I don't I don't know it was 351 00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:01,639 it's a bit surprising with the photos is there a lever we can pull to react to 352 00:31:58,919 --> 00:32:04,559 that if if that's becomes an issue I I was sort of trying to figure I 353 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,880 understand what he's asking and I just don't want to make sure we're not 354 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,720 setting up a situation here where six months from now it's like well we voted 355 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:15,799 yes so yeah certainly the the permit 356 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:20,200 approval process will allow us to to guide essentially what we allow to have 357 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:26,039 in that space and then obviously the enforcement uh processes have in place 358 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:31,120 can can help monitor that um certainly we would uh lean on Mr ni to alert us to 359 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:37,600 any circumstances that were occurring outside of what was approved for the use 360 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:44,000 and the staff monitor so they would have to obtain a 361 00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:49,039 permit for the fence uh one for any construction on their property and of 362 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:57,000 course uh a permit for the the property on Hazel so hopefully that will give us 363 00:32:52,399 --> 00:33:02,480 an opportunity to uh to stipulate that uh 364 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:09,080 that the the trucks should not necessarily should not be located uh 365 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:13,399 where they currently are fair enough I feel like Mr KN house has been very 366 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:18,240 reasonable so I just we meeting that agreed 367 00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:25,639 agreed is there any other discussion here you need a roll call vote then 368 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:32,679 please council member Garcia yes mayor Greenberg yes 369 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:39,840 council member hom yes council member Paige 370 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:44,639 yes okay he bill number 371 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:49,840 6263 ordinance 6057 is 372 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:53,440 approved uh item number 19 is Bill number 373 00:33:50,919 --> 00:33:57,440 6264 in ordinance of the city council of the city of Maplewood Missouri providing 374 00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:04,279 for a boundary adjustment between the city of Webster grow in 375 00:34:00,919 --> 00:34:10,159 Maplewood motion to approve seconded okay motion a second uh since 376 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:15,280 we're transferring property to Webster grow we're going to see a major 377 00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:19,399 Financial windfall from this correct we don't have to care for it yeah 378 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:28,720 exactly okay so uh is there any discussion 379 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:34,639 here and uh I believe Amber you're still muted so 380 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:38,440 if you wanted to add anything you'd have to unmute nothing above and beyond 381 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:42,919 what's in the packet obviously this is part of our partnership around improving 382 00:34:40,839 --> 00:34:47,800 the space and allowing for that Park and it Mak great sense to us to have Webster 383 00:34:45,399 --> 00:34:52,200 Groves maintain the entirety of that Park um so that we can focus our 384 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:58,680 attention on our other facilities thank you uh I'll entertain a 385 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:06,720 roll call vote here then council member Garcia yes mayor 386 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:15,119 Greenberg yes council member hom yes council member paage yes hey Bill number 387 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:21,280 6264 ordinance 6058 is approved okay item number 20 is old 388 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,280 business is there any old 389 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:28,800 business hearing none I'll move on to item number 21 which is Council 390 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,720 communication are there any Council 391 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:42,560 Communications U item number 22 is the mayor's report and included in your 392 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:49,560 package was uh a recap of uh the events that I attended at the National League 393 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:55,359 of cities City Summit in Tampa this year uh I was somewhat over underwhelmed I 394 00:35:53,240 --> 00:36:00,560 should say with regards to the quality of the programming uh in comparison to 395 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:07,160 those programs that I attended previously before covid uh it it was 396 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:13,760 still beneficial but I really need to analyze whether it's worth uh uh 397 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:22,720 taxpayers money if I can't come back with a whole lot of uh ideas and 398 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:27,960 inspiration as I have in the past uh so uh if you have any questions with 399 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:34,800 regards to any of those uh you I would say that the trip to the homeless 400 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:39,480 encampment uh the uh Tampa Hope was probably the the most 401 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:45,040 interesting uh not that it you know that we're going to set up a bunch of 402 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:50,839 pre-fabricated uh buildings in in Maplewood but uh you know it it's not 403 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:56,040 just housing they have other programs that I thought were helpful and there 404 00:36:53,040 --> 00:37:03,000 were other uh seminars and workshops and classrooms and presentations 405 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:07,000 dealing with uh uh housing and dealing with other issues but 406 00:37:05,319 --> 00:37:12,200 uh uh and things like budgeting and there's 407 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:18,319 a lot of vendors at the at in the ex exhibit hall that uh 408 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,359 that were helpful in working with other communities and solving the same 409 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:28,359 problems that we're experiencing but I'll be glad to take any of those 410 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:34,359 questions offline and uh yeah from any of the council members item number 23 is 411 00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:41,160 a city attorney's report okay here we go I have nothing to 412 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:47,280 report this evening mayor okay uh and item number 24 is the city manager 413 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:51,319 report I'm pleased to share that our budget document for the current fiscal 414 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:55,640 year has received the government finance officer 415 00:37:52,800 --> 00:38:00,240 Association the work um that was the bud that for this year um on prepared into 416 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,440 the document that is now posted on the city's website um so we showed strength 417 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:11,480 and Improvement in several key areas including um planning um and having five 418 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:16,040 years worth of budgeting uh in our document versus the one so we're seeing 419 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,359 some improvement although they also identified areas where we can continue 420 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,680 to improve which we will be focused on in our departmental goal setting um 421 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:29,319 which will be shared with Council in February tickets for the Sweet Tooth 422 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:33,960 tour went on sale yesterday um that event will be January 423 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:37,839 2th please plan to join us it will be cold but 424 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:43,000 delicious we are very excited to have been able to Pilot a popup retail 425 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:47,440 initiative if you've been uh down Sutton um next to wellbody you'll have seen 426 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:52,240 that reset vintage apparel which currently has on bellw has a holiday 427 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:57,520 popup in that space on Sutton they're already doing brisk business this is a a 428 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:03,079 a concept that we're piloting to see if we might uh be able to provide this 429 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:07,920 opportunity to businesses to be able to take up some of those vacant retail 430 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:13,520 spaces this has been so successful within a short period of time um that we 431 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:18,480 expect there may be a long-term Prospect for the business owner in that space can 432 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,040 can I ask one question did that work because they're already a Maplewood 433 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,119 business and therefore they're kind of like they've got their license and all 434 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,000 that if an outside non- Maplewood business wanted to do that could we 435 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:32,400 accommodate that you piloted it with only mle wood 436 00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:36,000 businesses for that reason in order to be able to turn that around fairly 437 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:40,960 quickly and provide for it in our existing ordinances that being said um I 438 00:39:39,319 --> 00:39:47,200 think we just need to do a little bit of tinkering with our licensing and 439 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,200 ordinances to be able to offer this more 440 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:55,160 widely we're looking at that and and planning and zoning is supportive and 441 00:39:52,400 --> 00:40:00,240 aware of some additional adjustment great 442 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:05,240 um and finally we do have uh the schedule for the special business 443 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:10,040 district lunch and learn series now those are 444 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:16,240 open to any interested uh party who would like to come and learn for free um 445 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:19,400 from speakers so we'll be promoting those on the city's 446 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:25,480 website ahead okay item number 25 then is the 447 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:32,000 second of uh three public forums is there any are there any hands raised 448 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:38,599 yes I am going to allow Mr KN house back into the meeting and Mr KN house if you 449 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,040 could unmute can you hear me now yes okay yeah I just want to clarify that 450 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,560 the food truck it hasn't been parked like that for several months and I made 451 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:49,400 that I pointed that out in my email to you guys today I I put it there I showed 452 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,040 that picture just to to get a view of what it would be like if if they did 453 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:56,960 Park a a parallel um right along the fence line um so I didn't want to 454 00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:59,920 mislead anybody that that that hasn't been like that for a few months since 455 00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:04,480 they took that fence down and put it back up the you the the yellow box truck 456 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,040 that was there so I just want to clarify that didn't want to mislead anybody I 457 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:12,760 heard you talk about that earlier and I appreciate you guys discussing it thank 458 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:16,359 you guys thank you all right is there anyone else that would like to speak at 459 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:24,960 the uh public forum there is not okay uh item number 460 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:33,720 26 is a business licensed revocation hearing for map VAP L LC at 20 7213 461 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:37,800 Manchester Road uh will be will we be dealing with this after the nor the 462 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:43,520 regular meeting or we're cond meeting during the regular 463 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:50,359 meeting okay 464 00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:55,760 uh and then uh then I should move on to item number 465 00:41:51,960 --> 00:42:00,440 27 no let's go ahead and launch in okay I'm the business owner is here here with 466 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:06,520 us so I'm okay bring him into the meeting Mr 467 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:10,200 sirron and ask him to unmute and identify himself hello I'm Joe siren 468 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,280 owner of M great thank you so much thank you guys 469 00:42:13,319 --> 00:42:21,160 so much okay so uh for the per for purposes 470 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:26,839 of the record I'm Barry Greenberg mayor the city of 471 00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:31,240 Maplewood and there are uh we have three m members uh four three members in 472 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:38,119 attendance uh tonight uh Christa Garcia Eric paage and 473 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:43,240 Nick homa in addition Jackie Graves uh Maplewood City attorney is 474 00:42:41,319 --> 00:42:48,000 here and will advise the city council on legal matters the Maplewood city council 475 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:54,240 is conducting a hearing to consider the revocation of the business license 476 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:59,480 issued to map Vape LLC located at 7213 Manchester Road the hearing will be 477 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:04,480 conducted in accordance with section 14-55 of the Maplewood code of 478 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:10,040 ordinances and chapter 536 of the revised statutes of Missouri referred to 479 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:17,720 as the administrative procedures act M tea Hyde uh maplewood's resource 480 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:22,400 development and public engage engagement manager is here and will be presenting 481 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:27,440 testimony and evidence to the city council Mr Joe siren the M the owner of 482 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:36,599 map vape and holder of the business license is attending is attending 483 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:41,720 tonight and uh uh Mrs M Graves uh would you like to offer any exhibits into the 484 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:46,800 record at this time uh yes I would mayor and just for clarification Amber um was 485 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:51,960 Mr siren provided with the documentation as well or should we share a screen he 486 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:58,359 was provided with the documentation okay thank you yes I saw it I'm sorry Mr 487 00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:03,160 siren yes I did I did review it okay thank you I I just to make sure you had 488 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:07,280 it okay um thank you mayor Greenberg I'd like to let the record reflect that 489 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:12,880 several notices were mailed to Mr siren including a first notice which was dated 490 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:17,880 June 17 2024 along with a revocation notice from the Missouri Department of 491 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:22,960 Revenue dated June 12th 2024 a second notice notifying Mr siren of a hearing 492 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,640 dated October 1st 2024 along with a second revocation notice from the 493 00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:33,000 Missouri Department of Revenue dated August 27th 2024 and a third notice uh 494 00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:38,680 which was dated November 20 November excuse me 14th 2024 notifying Mr siren 495 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:43,480 of this hearing which was mailed to Mr siren via certified mail the notices are 496 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:49,920 offered and accepted into evidence as exhibit one and for the council they can 497 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:54,160 be found um in your packet at Pages 49 through 498 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,359 57 I'd like to note that pursuant to section 499 00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:01,200 14-55 of the Maplewood code of ordinances it states that prior to 500 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:05,240 conducting this hearing the city clerk shall mail written notice to the leny 501 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,960 that's Mr siren at their last known address as shown in the records of the 502 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:13,359 city clerk advising the leny of the date time and place of this hearing and the 503 00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:18,800 reasons for considering the revocation of the license as uh we have done that 504 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:23,720 as set forth in exhibit one the requirements of 505 00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:29,200 14-55 for notice have been satisfied in addition chapter 14 of the 506 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,640 staplewood code of ordinances including specifically chapter 14 Article 2 507 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:41,599 Division 1 section 14-23 c regarding the prerequisites for 508 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:45,559 business licenses and 14- 54 A3 regarding the grounds for revocation are 509 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:51,119 offered and accepted into evidence as Exhibit 2 they are included at the 510 00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:57,119 packet at page 67 to 68 I also want to read into the record uh those two 511 00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:02,800 sections section 14-23 c states sales tax license pursuant to Missouri revised 512 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,800 Statute section 513 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:19,839 144.350 4 A3 States in addition to any other revocation procedure contained in 514 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:24,240 this code any license issued under this chapter may be revoked for any of the 515 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:28,960 following reasons subsection 3 states failure of the license e to pay any 516 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:34,280 license fee or any applicable state tax arising from the business activity or 517 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:39,200 premises licensed finally I'm offering and introducing into the record exhibit 518 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:42,599 3 this is Missouri's uh certification of the revocation order which is dated 519 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:50,160 November 22nd 2024 confirming uh that the lensee lacks 520 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:58,240 a valid state tax license and this is in the packet at Pages 69 through 521 00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:05,359 71 and actually the certification on that is dated November 22nd 2024 the 522 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:11,680 revocation order for exhibit 3 is dated August 27th 2024 just for clarification 523 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:16,640 and again that's exhibit 3 these are all the exhibits I'm offering at this time 524 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:21,920 mayor okay does anyone have any objection to exhibits number one through 525 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,920 number 526 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:29,640 three then uh as a matter of information Miss Hyde 527 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:35,119 will first present evidence to the city council pertaining to the grounds for 528 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:39,480 revocation as set forth in the notice Mr siren will have an opportunity to make 529 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,800 any objections to the evidence and to cross-examine any 530 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:49,400 witness uh both parties have the right to call and examine witnesses to 531 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:55,480 introduce exhibits and to cross-examine any Witnesses called to testify in this 532 00:47:52,599 --> 00:48:00,480 matter once Miss Hyde has finished speaking Mr siren will will be entitled 533 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:05,480 to call witnesses present any evidence in opposition to the requested 534 00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:08,960 revocation of the business license the members of the city council are 535 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:14,960 generally familiar with the facts given rise to the request for revocation based 536 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:20,480 upon the notice of revocation and other documents presented to the city council 537 00:48:17,319 --> 00:48:23,359 members and all parties Miss Hyde are you prepared to 538 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,520 proceed yes 539 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:43,680 and uh Mr siren are you prepared to proceed I don't know if I am at this 540 00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:48,040 time I did not realize what was uh this whole procedure was about I just would 541 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:52,640 like to State um I know that I was behind on the sales taxes and I made 542 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,040 arrangements with the the Missouri Department of Revenue and um had paid 543 00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,920 them a big chunk of money up front it was making monthly payments so I don't 544 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:06,000 know what had happened between there and now I had sent in the information when I 545 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:11,160 was uh served by one of your members I gave them copies of oh no I actually 546 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:16,119 mail emailed them in and that that was the last I've heard about this until I 547 00:49:13,319 --> 00:49:20,440 actually got another email from I guess whoever sent me the email that I'm on 548 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:27,640 right now from so the the the question that I have for uh Miss Graves is uh if 549 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:35,920 he proceeds at this time uh we need to move forward with this 550 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:43,160 uh uh if if there's additional information that needs to be 551 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:49,680 addressed uh we can deal with it later in this proceeding or at a subsequent 552 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:53,119 proceeding is that correct uh well mayor the hearing is scheduled for the evening 553 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:57,400 and was noticed for the evening as set forth in the notices which was clear as 554 00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:01,400 to the purpose tonight um if there's some reason that the 555 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:07,480 council needs to adjourn this hearing prior to conclusion uh you could do so 556 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:13,079 um for example for the re one of the reasons you stated uh but uh the 557 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:17,359 intention would be that it completed be completed this evening well I would like 558 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,119 more time if you don't mind to contact Missouri Department Revenue again and 559 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,400 see what exactly is going on because I have I've made a payment arranges with 560 00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:29,280 them to have the money come out directly out of my business account and I do know 561 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:34,040 what is going on um and I gave like I said when this happened I had to fire my 562 00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:39,200 my my tax guy back from 2022 and uh then I found this out was 563 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:43,400 all behind on these taxes so I made the arrangements took money and paid them 564 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,599 off to get the caught up on this budget billion I guess you call it for 18 565 00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:50,960 months and now I'm in this with you guys so if anything I would like another 566 00:50:49,799 --> 00:50:54,160 opportunity to call the Missouri Department revenue and see if I can 567 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:58,640 straighten this out with him myself before we go any further if that would 568 00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:02,400 be okay uh there are other facts that are 569 00:51:01,319 --> 00:51:11,400 pertinent to to this hearing and uh that's only 570 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:17,319 one of the uh the issues you know to be addressed here 571 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:22,880 so if we should move forward with this and discuss the other uh the other 572 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:30,280 issues here and uh I'm looking for legal uh 573 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:35,920 Direction here since mayor the the hearing should 574 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:40,000 proceed unless there is a motion to adjourn the hearing that gets the 575 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:48,440 majority vote of the council otherwise you should continue to 576 00:51:42,359 --> 00:51:54,920 proceed okay uh in that case uh I'll petition the council here to to 577 00:51:51,960 --> 00:52:01,839 determine uh whether we want to proceed I think that uh that we should move 578 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:09,400 forward with this uh there's a lot of testimony and information that uh that 579 00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:18,720 we would need to hear and that doesn't mean that we'll have every in all of the 580 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:23,359 facts available to us but uh uh I would at least like to 581 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:26,920 get uh what we do know and there's substantial amount of information out of 582 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:35,440 the way uh does do any of the council members uh 583 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:39,319 not want to continue with the hearing I don't I agree with mayor 584 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:45,319 greenberger that we should proceed here that's my stance it seems like there 585 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:48,520 have been plentiful communication it it you know and and 586 00:52:49,319 --> 00:52:58,839 writing yeah and you it this could go on forever based 587 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:05,280 upon you know getting each and every piece of information uh and I agree with 588 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:12,720 council member Paige that the there have been opportunities as uh demonstrated by 589 00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:24,280 the notifications that have been uh uh provided to uh Mr siren so 590 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:28,280 uh in uh Miss Garcia do you have um 591 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:35,079 an opinion I think I don't know that it's 592 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:41,680 worth continuing tonight given that Mr siren has explained that he has been 593 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:47,079 working with the state so if there is a sinking issue between Communications at 594 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:52,359 the state level that might be leading us to have a conversation in 595 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:57,760 error that's the only concern I have so what's the most recent communication we 596 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,760 have from the state 597 00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:06,400 if we're going to get into that uh we may want to go ahead and proceed into 598 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:12,400 the hearing um that is but go ahead I believe that um the last notice that we 599 00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:18,000 received based on the documentation that was entered into evidence and the 600 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:25,359 exhibits um was a notice dated August 27th 2024 601 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:30,319 which was the second or third which was the second revocation 602 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:35,200 notice that we received from the state the state provided us with a 603 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:41,440 certified copy of that document on November um 604 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:47,400 22nd yep fine November 22nd so about three weeks 605 00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:52,880 ago so uh uh I certainly don't want to 606 00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:56,839 contradict council member Garcia but there's three of the four of us that 607 00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:04,760 would would like to move forward with this and uh 608 00:55:00,799 --> 00:55:11,640 uh I I can see the the potential for continuations you know uh 609 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:19,040 infinitely in this matter uh if we don't uh address it 610 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:28,079 now so um based on our uh uh our vote uh I'd like to swear in 611 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:33,359 the the witnesses Miss Hyde Mr siren uh would you both raise your right 612 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:37,200 hand do you swear that your testimony here today shall tell the shall be the 613 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:44,000 truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do I 614 00:55:40,799 --> 00:55:48,520 do okay Miss Hyde please proceed Council as you know my name is 615 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:54,119 Tanish sh Hyde and By Appointment of the city clerk of the city of Maplewood I 616 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:58,799 manag business licensing for the city as the resource development and public 617 00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:05,480 engagement manager this matter involves mape Vape LLC located at 7213 Manchester 618 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:11,720 Road pursuant to section 14-23 c of the Maplewood city code no 619 00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:16,359 Merchant shall maintain a city business license without a valid state sales tax 620 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:24,359 license the Missouri Department of Revenue notified the city on June 12th 621 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:29,720 2024 of the revocation of make Vapes LLC state sales tax license the LI C 622 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:37,039 subsequently obtained a certificate of no tax due on July 2nd 623 00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:43,400 2024 and in response I issued him a city renewed business license for 2024 624 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:50,160 2025 correct the Missouri Department of Revenue again notified the city on 625 00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:57,280 August 27th 2024 of a second license revocation following the certified nosis 626 00:56:52,880 --> 00:57:03,480 to the ly Mr sirron provided me with an email that contained a state payment 627 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:09,559 agreement on October 3rd 2024 upon verification with the 628 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:15,160 Department of Revenue on October 7th 2024 the state confirmed the business 629 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:19,720 lack of valid sales tax license as certified by the revocation order dated 630 00:57:17,319 --> 00:57:27,920 November 22nd 2024 whereas section 14- 54 A3 631 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:34,799 authorizes revocation for failure to pay required sales tax cause exist to revoke 632 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,799 the business license of map Vape 633 00:57:41,319 --> 00:57:46,319 LLC unmute here 634 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:56,400 um Mr Mr siren do you have any questions from Miss Hyde you'll be able to present 635 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:59,480 your own statement what she did say is correct the only 636 00:57:57,799 --> 00:58:05,400 thing that I never got anything other from the state was that I was getting my 637 00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:11,280 license revoked as far as I was set up with automatic uh direct dep um debit 638 00:58:08,359 --> 00:58:15,240 from my account per month for the next so many months until it was caught up 639 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:19,480 they I made the deal with them giving a a a three-month upfront which I did and 640 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:24,440 then the payments are supposed to come out of my account so from 641 00:58:22,359 --> 00:58:27,520 here I that's I got need I need to contact the Missouri Department of 642 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,640 Revenue ask him why either they didn't take the money out or the money came out 643 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:35,480 and they didn't credit my account properly so it's one of the two 644 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:39,039 things I mean I've been in business here for 10 years in in the city of Maplewood 645 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:43,319 and I've never had a problem you guys go back and look all my stuff ever being 646 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:48,839 behind on my taxes until the last two years and that's the truth so I mean you 647 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,839 can go look at your all my records 648 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,680 yourself 649 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:01,440 so uh all right can I ask a question I don't 650 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:05,640 know what the rules are here yeah uh so I'm noticing on the 651 00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:09,640 payment plan like five payments should have been made already do we have 652 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:14,559 anything from the state like so we are we Flying Blind on that issue do we know 653 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:17,440 if those five pay right so if you sorry I don't mean to interrupt but August I 654 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:21,599 know August September and October will definitely come out I see them on the 655 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:26,680 plan I don't see any way to verify that that's 656 00:59:23,799 --> 00:59:30,520 happened council member paid just the way this would work is the city presents 657 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:34,520 its evidence and then Mr siren can rebut that evidence so I see so we need to see 658 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:39,680 effectly what I would suggest is that he should provide that evidence the city is 659 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,319 not required to determine that he made payments or 660 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:51,599 not yeah I guess what I'm saying is if that could be provided right now that 661 00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:57,799 might have an impact on my opinion so you need me to provide that 662 00:59:54,319 --> 01:00:01,920 the payments were coming out yeah right that would be evidence that I didn't I 663 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:04,160 wasn't prepared for any of that I didn't like again this is the first thing I 664 01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:07,760 didn't know what I didn't know what this was about besides me coming to talk to 665 01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:11,400 you guys about the licensing that was all I I wasn't prepared for anything 666 01:00:09,799 --> 01:00:17,520 besides this just to talk to you guys about it I read through the stuff and uh 667 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:24,720 the letters that uh that I guess Mrs uh Miss Hyde had sent me today uh or 668 01:00:21,799 --> 01:00:28,920 yesterday I guess it was and uh just came to the meeting this why I'm here I 669 01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:31,960 had no I reculation what else was going to happen besides me talking to you guys 670 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:36,079 about the taxes talking about what's going on Missouri Department revenue and 671 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:41,160 then me me resolving it with them and then that's what that's what I was 672 01:00:37,319 --> 01:00:47,119 assuming was going to happen so I'd like to give Miss Hyde an opportunity to ask 673 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:52,680 questions at this point sure um I don't really have a question 674 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:59,880 as I stated he did email me that payment plan and I followed up with the state 675 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:04,839 to make sure because I I got a notice saying that he was not in compliance so 676 01:01:02,359 --> 01:01:09,760 then I followed up once he submitted that he actually had a payment plan and 677 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:16,480 their response was he did not have a valid sales tax license and I would also 678 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:22,000 like to say I sent this notice certified mail on November 14th and it is stamped 679 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:27,000 that it was received on November 19th and it had all of the information for 680 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:32,039 today's hearing so I I don't know what 681 01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:35,680 else I I could have done no I'm not blaming I'm not saying 682 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,200 I'm not putting the blame on anybody if anything it's on me I get that but I 683 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,839 just need more time to fix it with the Missouri Department of 684 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,760 Revenue I mean if I call them up and they're like give me more money to get 685 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:51,680 it back on on track I have no problem doing that I just don't want 686 01:01:49,319 --> 01:01:55,119 to I'm not trying to skip out on not paying my taxes put it that way I 687 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,079 wouldn't have I wouldn't have done all this to keep my life if I didn't think I 688 01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:03,319 I got the non non- tax due when I got the re the the license renewed from 689 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:14,039 them I me the thing I'm reading is to resolve the matter prior to the hearing 690 01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:18,599 number two says provide proof of payment to our office no later than December 4 691 01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:24,079 and I guess what I'm hearing from Miss hey is that we never received that 692 01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:24,079 information 693 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:34,599 I I'm sorry I don't have that gu that piece with me I got the stuff that she 694 01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:40,640 sent me and the the payout agreement that I 695 01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:43,079 had with Missouri Department Revenue that's all I 696 01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:54,079 brought well I I think it's a valid point that uh Mr Paige made with regards 697 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:59,039 to you know the notification was given with regards to the expectations 698 01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:04,960 that we have so that we can actually you know adjudicate this this matter uh and 699 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:09,079 without that information it makes makes it very difficult for us to do our 700 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:16,640 job uh and so I am you know at this point 701 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:22,480 I'm not sure exactly uh you know what you could if 702 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:28,839 you're not prepared to provide us with the information that we've asked for uh 703 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:37,200 you know the question I have is you know should we you know pardon me wants to 704 01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:41,559 move forward and uh and then uh you know addressing the concerns of council 705 01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:45,720 member Garcia you know we want to we do want to have all the 706 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:51,760 information uh sure before making you know any type of decision but you know 707 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:56,119 the the process has been established notification has been given and 708 01:03:54,520 --> 01:04:02,119 subsequently uh we don't have the in you know any 709 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:08,480 information to uh to support uh uh in particular in in this 710 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:13,039 case you know the payments uh having been made to the sure well would you 711 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,359 guys be willing to give me like another two to three weeks so we can meet again 712 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:20,720 and I can bring you everything and have this all sorted out by 713 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,960 then and then you guys could go through all this and I have everything to prove 714 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,720 what I've done not done and then you can make your decision from there 715 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:36,839 you know I I would need some reassurance that we're we're that we would be able 716 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:44,240 to at that time address this the the concern that one of the concerns I have 717 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:48,480 is that uh you know we're allowing the business to 718 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:55,920 continue uh operation uh and we obviously have 719 01:04:53,039 --> 01:05:04,599 evidence to indicate that uh the business hasn't met the the requirements 720 01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:13,000 uh in order to to conduct business and so I'm in in that respect I'm reluctant 721 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:15,799 to uh to postpone the the proceedings but I'd like to hear from the other 722 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:24,200 council members Mr siren was it your 723 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:28,319 understanding that the only thing needed to reinstate your license 724 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:33,279 with the state was to get on the tax payment plan because it feels like it 725 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:37,839 feels like there's two things going on and that Miss Hyde had said she had 726 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:42,920 reached out and to the state and been told the license was still 727 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:47,279 revoked but you're saying no no I have a payment plan and I mean like to me it 728 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:53,039 just sounds like maybe there's one more step that was missed to say yes I have a 729 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:57,039 payment plan with the state and also maybe there's I mean 730 01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:00,000 it maybe there's another form or something random that's being Miss I 731 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,760 don't know that because I never had to go throughs before because when I would 732 01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:07,839 always go down there I give you guys my my yearly Ledger and then I give you the 733 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:11,400 no tax due to get my license renewed so when I found that these taxes were bowed 734 01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:14,359 they they like you're going to you're going to have to pay this big chunk of 735 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:18,520 money and get on this payment plan and then they'll give me a no tax due to get 736 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:21,839 my license renewed that's what I did so it's all I've done and then I was doing 737 01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:25,200 the payment plan and now it seems like something happened that I didn't make 738 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:28,839 the payments or something and and if I did they didn't count them towards me 739 01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:32,799 and now I'm getting in this whole situation so I just feel like I need 740 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:36,680 more time to do my own research I didn't do any research I I was literally 741 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:40,680 looking at this thinking you guys wanted to discuss this whole situation with me 742 01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:45,000 and then telling me hey this is what needs to happen Mr siren you either fix 743 01:06:42,839 --> 01:06:49,319 this or we're going to whatever I did not know this was the last draw what I 744 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:53,160 was coming to this meeting I just I'm sorry I didn't take it as 745 01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:56,200 serious as I thought I should have I'm I was dealing with Missouri Department 746 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,720 Revenue so I'll just be 747 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:09,200 honest we appreciate your cander on it uh go ahead yeah I have a question maybe 748 01:07:05,799 --> 01:07:12,400 for attorney Graves I share the mayor's concerns um feels to me like there are 749 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,240 two issues here and the one we're dealing with is just the Maplewood 750 01:07:13,799 --> 01:07:20,000 business license the evidence that we have is from the Department of Revenue 751 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:25,319 um and I my understanding is that we can't continue the Maplewood business 752 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:32,039 license if the state sales tax is not up to date so we've given notice um and to 753 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:37,520 ask for evidence of the payment by December 4th which we don't have if we 754 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:43,400 were to adjourn and extend an additional timeline so that Mr siren could provide 755 01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:47,119 that evidence to us are we in any legal Jeopardy does that put the city you know 756 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:50,319 because we're allowing that business to continue to operate is that a problem 757 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:55,279 for us so 758 01:07:52,400 --> 01:08:00,680 I so council member H I do not believe that is a problem for the city um I 759 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:08,559 would note the revocation order states that um Mr siren cannot operate uh map 760 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:14,160 Vape um under Missouri law um and that continuing to operate um without a valid 761 01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:19,080 Missouri retail sales tax is a misdemeanor uh so there are very real 762 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:22,880 consequences for Mr siren I I do not believe there there are consequences for 763 01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:22,880 the 764 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:30,960 city yeah I I don't want to be in the business of gotcha time with a 10y year 765 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:33,679 long business so I I'm I'm softening my perspective here I do think reading 766 01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:39,159 these letters a little bit more carefully be advisable going forward 767 01:08:36,679 --> 01:08:42,839 correct you're right I I again I I take ownership from that I'll be I'll be 768 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:48,000 honest yeah know fair enough I mean that's that's fine um so I don't know I 769 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:53,080 I feel like our hand I'm sort of like nak council person home is I I feel like 770 01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:56,759 our hands are a little tied here um but I also don't want to do something we 771 01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:00,159 can't you know Rectify if we've got it 772 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:10,480 wrong well the the different scenarios here one if we if we revoke the business 773 01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:18,279 license then uh what would be the process to reinstate the business 774 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:24,319 license and Tiffany do you have a is that your area of 775 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:29,960 expertise I it probably should be I can state that I can answer that mayor um he 776 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:33,159 can reapply for a license and a license can that has been revoked may not be 777 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:37,839 reissued until the basis for the revocation has been cured so he would 778 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,679 have to prove to the city that uh this is no longer an 779 01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:51,960 issue is there a step between approval and revoc like is there a suspend or is 780 01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:56,480 it this or that not under our code okay thank 781 01:09:53,199 --> 01:10:00,679 you well I also hold it to o license too that's that's a part of my business and 782 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:08,679 a retail license and a merchant license so I do have all three of 783 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:08,679 those sorry we're closed yeah 784 01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:20,320 sorry may I just note for the record just before we before we move on that um 785 01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:25,760 I'm gonna suggest that the email that Tiffany had with the Department of uh 786 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:30,320 Revenue which is at Pages 58 and 5 n of the packet be marked as exhibit four for 787 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,320 this 788 01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:44,120 hearing uh based on the information that attorney Graves gave us you know about 789 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,679 reinstatement of a business license it it feels to me like no matter which 790 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,159 direction we go they're we're going to have to have a 791 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:55,600 resolution with the Department of Revenue and Mr siren before we like if 792 01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:58,400 we adjourn tonight that's going to have to happen or else we're going to be 793 01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:01,880 doing this again uh we're going to have to have evidence of payment and make 794 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:06,800 sure that the resolution with the Department of Revenue is all ironed out 795 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:11,040 and if we revoke then once that's ironed out we can always issue another business 796 01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:16,679 license so um to me it feels like we land in similar places no matter what 797 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:20,280 the path forward tonight is I I actually had one thought about that though and I 798 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:23,920 I should probably know this and I don't would I don't know I'm assuming if he 799 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,480 had to reapply for another business license after we revoked one whatever 800 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:31,080 fees are associated that would be back in 801 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:33,960 force is that a I I should know this but is that a significant 802 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:42,719 amount does anybody know what that fee is I do not know for this 803 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:47,040 business yeah I know I know it cost me you up money to get a license every time 804 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:52,360 I I renew it every single year and then The Upfront does cost more but I just 805 01:11:50,679 --> 01:11:56,480 don't want to I mean if I can save this from you guys closing me down and give 806 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:59,920 me another three weeks to fix this I mean if I have to I'll take I'll pull 807 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,880 money out of my 401k to freaking pay this I don't care I just didn't want to 808 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:07,600 have to do that I'll take penal I'll take penalties and hits on that to be 809 01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:11,040 honest with youut down either way because sounds like you're committing a 810 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:16,560 crime if if you continue to operate business whether we say so or not so i' 811 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:20,600 I'd be careful there fee that he paid for um 2425 was 812 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:30,239 $19.72 okay so not not substantial so so one one scenario then 813 01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:36,960 would be to revoke the license and then as soon as Mr siren could provide 814 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:42,360 evidence of uh of his standing with the state then I'm assuming at that point uh 815 01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:48,560 he would be allowed to uh apply and we would approve a 816 01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:52,480 business license does that sound correct yeah but was going to happen 817 01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:57,480 I'll lose all my business and I'll be out of business I can't do that well 818 01:12:55,480 --> 01:13:03,639 well what I'm saying is that 10 year following here you 819 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:12,159 know well you know it seems like this hinges upon the uh the state 820 01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:17,520 acknowledging that you're in in decent standing with them so you know in your 821 01:13:15,639 --> 01:13:22,560 opinion how long would it take for you to ascertain 822 01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:25,239 that I think by the first of the year for sure I mean I'll call them tomorrow 823 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:31,199 and figure out if I can get this done tomorrow but I I've tried to call them 824 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:33,639 before on Monday and they were so busy they put me on a on a call back they 825 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:39,159 never call me back 826 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:43,480 so I mean I I'm happy to sit on it for till our next meeting but I I don't 827 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,360 think that solves Mr siren's problem it still doesn't sound like he should be 828 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:51,800 operating his business whether or not we put this off or act today either way as 829 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:55,920 far as the state's concerned I'm not sure uh I don't think that solved your 830 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,840 problem but you know I like I said I don't I don't want to be in the gotta 831 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,320 business if this is an honest mistake or there's some documentation that this 832 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:06,800 that's just there that we don't have in front of us I mean I the letter was 833 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:11,880 clear you should have had it tonight but again I you know I'm I'm willing to sit 834 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:16,800 on it for a couple weeks if we need to yeah I agree with council member 835 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:21,840 Paige um I resp I also think though that it's 836 01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:26,199 not really our purview to manage what's going on with map vape and the state of 837 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:30,760 Missouri Department Revenue we're just talking about our business license 838 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:36,880 tonight um I'll just Echo that yeah I think these these letters were clear and 839 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,400 I I'm all about Second Chances so if if you have evidence to show that you've 840 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:46,360 paid and you can provide that evidence to us um I'm willing to you know adjourn 841 01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:50,080 this now I guess my qu my question is so now that we've we've got you here Mr 842 01:14:47,719 --> 01:14:54,239 siren and this is all clear if we get back in January and we have to do this 843 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:57,600 again I think it's safe to say that I would be comfortable 844 01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:02,280 with the revocation and moving forward if you can't provide and you don't have 845 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:06,159 this cleared up um my question for attorney Graves is if we adjourn this 846 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:10,040 now do we have to come back and do this entire thing again with entering 847 01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:13,400 exhibits into evidence and hearing or can we pick up where we left off we will 848 01:15:11,639 --> 01:15:16,719 be able to pick up where you left off okay okay my my other question is what 849 01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:20,280 happened I have is all figured out and I'm bringing you the the information to 850 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:25,360 your guys office and it's all taken care of do we have to meet again or are we 851 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:29,320 back are we then okay or do we have to meet 852 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:35,440 regardless if you provide the documentation which shows that you are 853 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:41,639 um good with the state of Missouri and that you have a Missouri retail sales 854 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:46,760 tax license not just that you've paid made payments um 855 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:51,040 then I don't did I miss something here did I was was I supposed to like buy get 856 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:55,920 another did I miss getting the license renewed is other saying the revocation 857 01:15:53,920 --> 01:16:00,440 order from the Department of Revenue states that you are notified that your 858 01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:05,880 res your retail sales tax license was revoked by the state of 859 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:11,320 Missouri so the information we've been provided is that you do not have a sales 860 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:15,159 tax license to operate in Missouri okay then I need to get a hold 861 01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:18,480 of because I was very confused I I didn't I don't even have anything from 862 01:16:16,679 --> 01:16:23,040 them saying I don't have a my license ever revoked it says that I made an 863 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:28,440 agreement with him and I got my no tax due so I could get my license renewed 864 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:33,120 with the state of uh Maplewood so I need to you got to give me some time to call 865 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:37,320 to get this taken care of I I'm will whatever and I I'll need a little 866 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:42,239 guidance but whatever motion I need to make to say let's sit on this till the 867 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:47,600 next meeting in January I'm willing to make 868 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:56,400 um whatever that whatever that verbage is well I I think that you know the idea 869 01:16:52,600 --> 01:17:04,120 here is that it if we don't proceed with the revocation right now then uh Mr 870 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:09,440 siren's going to be operating at his own risk with regards to the 871 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:16,159 state uh and so either way all of this has to be 872 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:22,840 resolved before the next meeting so correct so the idea would be that we 873 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:28,480 wouldn't you there'd be no need for a revocation hearing if everything is 874 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:34,639 taken care of if it's not taken care of then I think it's very clear which 875 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:40,360 direction you know uh we would be going on on the revocation yeah fair enough I 876 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:45,159 be I be I I understand completely I appreciate your 877 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:49,199 guys um so I I just have one question on Clarity based on something that mayor 878 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:54,199 Greenberg said it no matter what action we take here tonight seems to me like M 879 01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:59,080 Vape is operating outside the bounds of the law right right now because there is 880 01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:07,080 no sales tax there is no valid state sales 881 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:09,920 tax uh certificate or no matter what we do here so like this is something that 882 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:14,120 has to be handled with the Department of Revenue we just can't issue a business 883 01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:21,520 license in Maplewood if that other license doesn't exist is that is that 884 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:25,719 accurate Jackie or yes that's accurate I we are not we the city are not the ones 885 01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:31,520 to determine whether or not uh Mr siren is in violation of state law all we can 886 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:35,960 say is that here's our city business license and our city business license 887 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,960 says that you can't have a our code says you can't have a business license if you 888 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:45,000 don't have the state retail sales tax license yeah so if he's operating 889 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:49,600 without a state retail sales tax license either he shouldn't be issued a business 890 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:56,120 license or if he has one the code says that it should be revoked 891 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:59,679 so does that answer your question mom yeah it does and I I've I mean I think 892 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:05,800 there's enough gray area and potential for miscommunication that I'm willing to 893 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:11,400 you know adjourn and give until the next the January meeting to see if uh this 894 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:14,320 can be settled with the state and the evidence that we need produced so that 895 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:19,120 we don't even need to either have the hearing or if we can't iron it out we'll 896 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:22,960 come back here and pick up where we left off if we do it' be a fast meeting I 897 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:27,280 yeah I agree with that and I think uh I'm totally willing to believe that the 898 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:31,280 state is operating like a Swiss watch right so I like I've dealt with these 899 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:34,199 kind of issues so I I don't want to just and I if it doesn't hurt us then we're 900 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,400 just sort of sitting on the sidelines and letting it play out and I'm 901 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:44,520 perfectly fine with that I don't want to put um unnecessary 902 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:48,760 impediments in the way of a business yeah seeing that this might be easily 903 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:56,480 enough resolved so so just to be clear uh Mr 904 01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:05,280 siren you're going to be contacting the state of Missouri uh and you know we 905 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:10,600 just I just want to you be clear that what you know I understand the the 906 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:16,639 difficulties of dealing with the state uh but this this does need to be 907 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:22,120 resolved I agree and whether you have to go to Jesse or or what you have to do 908 01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:27,239 I've I've haven't been in that exact situation but I've experienced the same 909 01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:34,320 frustration with the the workings of the the state of Missouri uh and it's you 910 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:40,400 know it's imperative that you uh get you know back in the good graces 911 01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:47,280 of the state of Missouri and then at that point 912 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:52,080 uh the your your uh business license with the state of I mean with the city 913 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:58,080 of Maplewood should just be pretty much a formality I would think 914 01:20:54,760 --> 01:21:03,239 and so uh you know I don't want to leave this 915 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:10,199 until uh our next meeting I want I I really want to see this resolved right 916 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:17,239 away uh and uh so that we don't have to you know to go through this uh this 917 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:22,239 process uh because as as you know if if we have to go through this process a 918 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:27,679 month from now uh I think we we all know what the outcome is going to be and fair 919 01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:30,280 enough it doesn't help the it doesn't help you obviously it doesn't help the 920 01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:35,920 city of Maplewood uh and uh I don't want to see 921 01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:40,120 one of our businesses in trouble with the state of Missouri either me either I 922 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:50,000 I don't so so at this point 923 01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:55,520 uh uh this isn't a normal Council matter uh from a legal 924 01:21:51,920 --> 01:22:03,560 perspective uh should we then make a motion to adjourn the hearing to January 925 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:09,560 14th 14th okay then I'll entertain a motion 926 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:15,320 at this point motion to adjourn the revocation hearing to January 14 927 01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:20,760 2025 I need a second seconded we have a motion in the second 928 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:25,760 uh we've already had our discussion unless there's any other comments that 929 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:32,520 anyone wants to make so it this point uh we need a we need a Voice vote or a uh 930 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,520 roll 931 01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:45,159 call I'm not sure uh you just do a roll 932 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:56,440 call okay uh Danel would you like to your council member Garcia yes mayor 933 01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:56,440 Greenberg yes council member hom yes 934 01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:06,840 council member Paige yes okay okay so uh please take care of 935 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:11,960 it uh you know if there's anything that the city can do to help you know we will 936 01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:16,520 try but the the fact of the matter is your issue is with the the state of 937 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:22,400 Missouri and uh 938 01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:26,560 uh yeah good luck thank you guys I appreciate your patience and I will take 939 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:35,000 care of this I prise you all right good luck thank you Merry 940 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:42,520 Christmas like yep yep have a good night so let me get back to my notes Here uh 941 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:47,880 with regards to the meeting uh that was item number 942 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:52,120 26 uh item number 27 is a motion to hold a close session is there a need to hold 943 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:57,800 a closed session uh then 944 01:23:55,159 --> 01:24:04,760 item number 28 is adjournment do we have a motion motion to adjourn second we 945 01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:10,719 have motion a second uh all those in favor I I I any 946 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:16,520 opposed uh the uh the meeting is 947 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:20,639 adjourned and so you know I wouldn't mind you know staying here and talking 948 01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:25,719 about it but uh needs to be a public meeting so we really can't do that so uh 949 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:32,400 hopefully we won't need to have any discussion before next 950 01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:39,600 time so uh quick question city manager the the the tech updates in our 951 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:45,920 Council chamber so that started this this week last week almost concluded 952 01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:51,119 it'll be done next week oh awesome okay we'll have our next meeting in person I 953 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:54,340 mean my sofa is comfier than my chair there you can bring it to the council 954 01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:58,369 chamber then [Laughter] 955 01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:07,400 okay well uh if there's other other questions we can't conduct business but 956 01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:14,560 uh we can still ask uh you know staff questions if we want to uh but it sounds 957 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:20,880 like we've we've explored that and so uh uh we'll be meeting again on uh and as 958 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:25,280 soon as uh Tiffany as soon as there's any evidence that he's in compliance 959 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:31,679 please let us know uh but I I hope that he got the 960 01:25:29,239 --> 01:25:36,639 message uh because I think I think the message is very clear and uh you know 961 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:43,480 people need to do their homework when they're you know when they're running a 962 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:49,760 business so uh the meeting is adjourned I guess uh we can all leave the meeting 963 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:57,880 and I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas Hanukkah New Year and uh 964 01:25:54,920 --> 01:26:03,199 uh look forward to getting back together in January yep happy holiday holidays 965 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:07,080 all have a good night than everyone bye bye bye