[0:04] yes okay um I'd like to call to order
the Maplewood city council meeting for
[0:11] Tuesday December
10th
[0:14] and
uh when we do Zoom do we do a pledge of
[0:21] allegiance I didn't bring a flag with me
uh
[0:26] but uh I pledge allegiance
United States America and to
[0:34] the
[0:38] stand
[0:42] indivisible thank you uh roll call
please council member
[0:49] Perell council member
faulkingham council member Garcia here
[0:57] mayor Greenberg here council member hom
here council member
[1:07] Maddox and council member Paige here
okay mayor Greenberg a quorum is present
[1:15] uh item number four is a motion to
excuse council members Carell uh
[1:19] faulkingham and
Maddox so moved
[1:25] seconded any
discussion
[1:28] uh all those in favor I
I any opposed the council members are
[1:37] excused uh item number five is the
approval of the Count Council
[1:42] agenda I'll entertain a motion motion to
approve
[1:47] seconded we have a motion to Second any
discussion uh all those in favor I any
[1:57] opposed the council agenda is approved
uh item number six is the approval of
[2:05] the November 12th 2024 city council
meeting
[2:09] minutes I need a motion motion to
approve second second okay is there any
[2:17] discussion I was not there so uh
[Music]
[2:23] uh okay uh so Jackie can I vote to
approve those if I wasn't in
[2:33] attendance that is a question I don't
have the answer to Mayor um I think
[2:39] probably not so we may need to pass that
to the next
[2:42] meeting okay uh then I will uh delay to
table uh I yes I'll need a motion table
[2:55] can you motion to put it on the next
agenda instead of tabling okay that'll
[3:00] easier procedurally motion to move to
the January agenda
[3:04] seconded we have a motion to Second any
discussion uh all those in favor I I I
[3:13] any
opposed the motion will be or the uh
[3:18] approval of the minutes will be uh dealt
with in in January then the next meeting
[3:25] item number seven is a public hearing to
hear citizens comments on a request by
[3:29] the Maplewood Richmond Height School
District to reone 2555 Oakland Avenue
[3:35] from PA public activity District to Sr
single family residential
[3:41] district uh do we have anyone in the
audience that uh has raise their hand
[3:46] for
this I do not see any Zoom hands
[3:51] mayor okay
uh if that is the case then uh
[4:01] unless
Dr well Dr Jameson will have a a chance
[4:05] later on to to address this but uh as
far as the public forum I will consider
[4:10] it
closed uh item number eight is the
[4:16] public
forum uh which allows anyone that's
[4:20] watching us or listening to us tonight
to address the Council on any matter uh
[4:27] you keep in mind that there's a second
public C for him later in the meeting uh
[4:32] so if you miss the first one or you hear
something that we've said that you'd
[4:37] like to respond to you'll have another
opportunity is there anyone that has a
[4:42] raised
hand no there is not ma'am okay so uh
[4:47] public forum is now
closed sorry uh Mr John KN house I'll
[4:54] allow him to enter okay uh at this point
[5:01] Mr KN house if you unmute we'll be able
to hear you can you hear me now yes
[5:07] sound great I I didn't know if I was on
um okay yeah I just want to uh just
[5:12] briefly um I leave at 7461 Hazel Avenue
I'm sure you guys have uh know who I am
[5:18] um I I just wanted to I know I sent an
email to some of the council people with
[5:22] just a pck uh a couple pictures just to
illustrate um the box trucks that would
[5:27] be that are parted on their present um
parking lot at side Project brewery and
[5:34] where they are parked um that's where
the egress is going to be on to the new
[5:39] um parking lot so I guess my our
family's concern is um if that egress is
[5:43] going to be there where will they be
parking their box trucks um in the
[5:48] future and and my concern is our
family's concern is they're going to be
[5:52] parking the box trucks um at those two
parallel spots that are parallel to um
[5:59] our backyard and if You' if you've
looked at the picture you can see how
[6:03] tall those box trucks are how obnoxious
they look um so I know the buffering
[6:09] will be there um but I guess we're just
hoping that with that visual you can see
[6:13] that the most buffering we're going to
need is um whatever we can get you know
[6:19] tall coniferous trees um so that that's
kind of my concern I guess we're just
[6:24] asking if you could at least just
discuss that our concern that the box
[6:29] trucks will be there instead of what it
was intended to be of of customer
[6:33] parking um and it one more thing real
quick is you can see with uh that that
[6:38] Pensky yellow truck the the other truck
is the food truck and I guess I I I
[6:43] wanted to picture that there um because
that was that was there for several
[6:47] weeks and I I think it it kind of just
we don't have a lot of faith in their in
[6:51] their sensibility or their awareness of
of how that affects us as a neighbor um
[6:57] and we're kind of depending on the
council and to make sure that everything
[7:01] is done that um you know that
sensibility can can be there once that
[7:07] new parking lot is there
[Applause]
[7:10] so that's pretty much all I want to say
I've said a lot in previous uh meetings
[7:14] but thank you for the
opportunity okay thank
[7:18] you
uh I wasn't part of the previous
[7:23] discussion but we'll have a discussion
with the
[7:27] uh with S Pro project and express your
concerns to them uh and hopefully we can
[7:36] come to a reasonable resolution of the
matter uh are there any other hands
[7:42] raised at the public for the public
forum there or not okay then we'll move
[7:48] on to item number nine which are
announcements we have some announcements
[7:52] here yeah I just um keep I'll keep it
short and sweet uh Maplewood fire
[7:57] department is going to be driving Santa
around and that is coming up on December
[8:01] 14th and 15th
um north side of Manchester on the 14th
[8:08] uh Southside on the 15th they've got the
map posted on their Facebook page from a
[8:12] couple days back um it's super fun
so you know it's fun good
[8:19] times okay I mean last year I got to
ride in the fir truck so that was like
[8:24] the highlight of my December I'm not
even joking about that but hopefully you
[8:28] don't have to ride in the ambulance
anytime soon for
[8:33] sure are there any other any other
announcements no okay uh item number 10
[8:40] then is a uh a a report on the Mr School
District by Dr Bonita Jamison the
[8:48] superintendent
uh and we have visual aids to uh to help
[8:55] too
[9:07] Dr Jameson you're still
muted good evening mayor Greenberg
[9:12] Council and community members I come
before you today to give a brief update
[9:17] on the happenings in Maple Richmond High
School District and if you can recall
[9:22] last August I gave a presentation to the
city council in regards to our newly
[9:28] adopted Ed strategic planning the
progress that we've actually made so
[9:32] during that report I discussed primarily
all of the five priority areas in
[9:38] addition to our mission vision and core
values tonight I will be giving an
[9:41] update on two of our priority areas
which are for our students which is the
[9:46] academic component of our plan and for
our resources which is both the
[9:51] financial and Facilities aspect of our
[9:56] plan so I want to start off with uh dist
and Rome by levels uh contrary to most
[10:01] school districts in the state Mr has
continued to remain constant with our
[10:05] enrollment and actually having increases
at both the elementary school and also
[10:10] slight increases at some of the grade
levels at the high school but you can
[10:13] see the numbers pk12 for the district we
have approximately 1 1550 students in
[10:20] the district
currently um the district priority and
[10:25] goals which is for our students the
academic component I do want to
[10:28] highlight two designations that were
actually received um by Niche um in 2025
[10:35] the district actually received an a
rating and actually ranked nine out of
[10:39] 459 districts within the state of
Missouri and for us news rankings for
[10:44] best high schools the high school
actually ranked 24th in the state of
[10:48] Missouri for the best high school in
Missouri this is the highlight of the
[10:54] work that the staff uh under the
guidance of the Board of Education have
[10:59] contributed for this year so uh we've
had a couple of Articles run in the St
[11:03] Louis Post Dispatch highlighting some of
the growth that the district has had um
[11:08] this year so we ranked fourth out of 552
districts within the state and we are in
[11:15] the top 1% of the districts in the state
and we were ranked second out of the 23
[11:21] school districts in St Louis County so
the comparison for those districts would
[11:24] actually be a Webster Groves a Kirkwood
and there was only one District that
[11:29] performed or earned higher percentages
than Maplewood Richmond Heights which
[11:33] was our neighbors z brenwood uh we um
were highlighted in a several of our
[11:38] articles for a 12% increase in total APR
points earned an 11% increase in English
[11:44] and 6% increase in math overall so for
the district for our total annual
[11:49] performance report score we earn 97% of
the scores and you can see for the
[11:55] performance uh score which is the
academic component of the annual
[11:59] performance report the district earned
135 points out of the 140 total points
[12:06] and for continuous Improvement which is
in regards to our strategic plan which
[12:10] um the two priority areas that I'm
reporting on today fit within continuous
[12:15] Improvement we earned 59 out of the 60
points possible for the school
[12:21] district um the next priority area that
I would like to highlight is for our
[12:26] resources and this also includes fac
facilities and so here we talk about
[12:31] looking at the systems within our
facilities and using the information
[12:36] that we acquire for decisionmaking and
then also looking at uh transparency for
[12:42] the community in regards to our fiscal
management so a couple of things the
[12:48] district actually recently received an
unmodified opinion on its financial
[12:53] statements for the fiscal year 2024 by
our Auditors KB and also unmodified
[13:00] opinion on um the state and federal
reporting package and basically what
[13:04] that means is that's the highest level
of uh recognition for Assurance issued
[13:10] by Auditors in addition to compliance
with all uh regulations another area
[13:16] that I would like to highlight um in
regards to the district's finances is
[13:21] our ability to actually not only seek
out grants to off offset some of our
[13:25] costs but to actually be awarded those
grants so part of the work and I didn't
[13:30] talk about the academic component and
some of the work that we're doing around
[13:34] Competency Based education but Maple
World Richmond Heights was one of a few
[13:39] districts that received a $400,000 Grant
from the Missouri Department of
[13:43] Elementary and secondary education um We
are continuing to improve the safety of
[13:48] our facilities for our students and
community and we received
[13:53] $25,000 Grant from the state department
for that as well as well as several
[13:58] technology grants from
ITF so we've been working uh diligently
[14:04] to not only be prudent in our
expenditures but to identify additional
[14:09] streaming Revenue sources to offset cost
and as previously mentioned two of the
[14:14] homes we are actually selling and giving
back to the city with the hopes of
[14:18] having families to come in to uh
contribute to increasing enrollment
[14:22] numbers for the uh District I also have
included here a historical operating
[14:27] fund balance just give Community an idea
of where we have been from 2016 through
[14:35] 2025 which would be our ending fund
balance so starting from
[14:39] 2016 uh the district had approximately a
19% fund balance and as you can see it
[14:46] continued to grow over time and you see
an increase going from 2019 all the way
[14:50] through 2022 and we think about the
pandemic and Co and some of the funds
[14:56] received from the federal government to
support support um our community during
[15:00] the pandemic and now what you're seeing
now are intentional uh spin downs and
[15:05] part of that is the district's uh effort
to actually improve the retention of
[15:11] staff and very sizable raises were given
in the past two years which were
[15:16] approved by the board but there is still
work yet to be done because the district
[15:20] currently um ranks within the bottom two
from the St Louis County region for the
[15:25] round 23 districts that are in the St
Louis County for certified staff teacher
[15:32] salaries um so that's just an update
around where we are for our
[15:36] resources um there are always
opportunities for Community to get
[15:41] engaged including uh mayor and the
council um on December 17th if you have
[15:46] not signed up the high school are having
capstones and you have an opportunity to
[15:52] see and hear from our students as well
as giving feedback on their
[15:55] presentations and they have put a lot of
work and time and then on December 19th
[16:00] it's the Board of Education meeting
there we will be talking about um the
[16:05] potential for a bond and also a
potential Debt Service transfer which
[16:11] would be uh a tax rate a no tax rate
increase for the community if the board
[16:16] decides to move forward and that will
hopefully give us an opportunity to
[16:21] continue to compensate competitively our
teachers so that we can keep our valued
[16:27] uh resources and if you are bored and
have absolutely nothing to do and are
[16:31] looking forward to being around some
great individuals who are being of
[16:35] service to the school district we do
have an opportunity for um our community
[16:40] to join um several strategic plan
committees which are led by board
[16:44] members and members of the maple
Richmond Height cabinet level
[16:49] team that concludes my presentation for
this evening I welcome any questions you
[16:54] may have
[16:59] uh no questions for me just a comment uh
you touched on it but I want to say
[17:03] congratulations and kudos for all of the
accolades every time I turn around I
[17:07] read or or hear something about the
school district um a couple of which you
[17:12] named and also you know I saw a report
recently that Mr is one of the only
[17:16] districts that's been able to make gains
and continue to progress forward after
[17:20] covid um
so thanks for all the work you're doing
[17:24] I think it's it's at least being
recognized and um I appreciate it I
[17:29] attended the work session recently that
you guys had to talk about the fund
[17:32] balance and to talk about some of those
bonds and tax rate increases I know
[17:36] there are challenges but I appreciate
the work that the administration and
[17:39] board are doing right now so keep up to
good work thank you and I'd be remissed
[17:43] to not mention the efforts that our
teachers put in to ensure that the level
[17:48] of growth that we're seeing in our
students they put in a lot of time and
[17:51] are committed to the vision and mission
of the district so thank you for that
[18:03] any other
questions thank you very much for having
[18:08] me thank you thank
[18:13] you uh we'll move on to item number
11 which is a resolution of the city
[18:20] council of the city of Maplewood
Missouri appointing Mary Killian to the
[18:24] Human Services Commission in
establishing her term of office as
[18:28] expiring on June 30th
[18:32] 2026 and I have a motion motion to
approve
[18:37] seconded a motion and second any
discussion uh I think she'll be a good
[18:43] addition to the commission uh roll call
vote
[18:48] please council member
Garcia
[18:53] yes mayor Greenberg yes council member
hom
[18:59] yes council member Paige
yes resolution 2463 is
[19:06] approved thank you item number 12 is a
resolution of the city council of the
[19:11] city of Maplewood Missouri appointing
Janine I hope I got that first name
[19:16] correct uh Janine Dallas to the Human
Services Commission and establishing her
[19:21] term of office as expiring on June 30th
2027
[19:30] seconded second is there any
discussion roll call vote please mayor
[19:37] Greenberg yes council member
hom yes council member Paige yes council
[19:45] member Garcia
yes hey resolution 2464 is approved
[19:52] thank you item number 30 13 is a
resolution of the city council of the
[19:57] city of Maplewood Missouri appointing
Adam valenc to the Human Services
[20:02] Commission and establishing his term of
office as expiring on June 30th
[20:10] 2028 motion to approve
seconded uh we have a motion a second is
[20:16] there any
discussion roll call vote please council
[20:21] member
Garcia yes mayor Greenberg yes council
[20:26] member hom yes
council member Paige
[20:34] yes all right resolution 2465 is
approved okay uh item number 14 is a
[20:42] resolution of the city council of the
city of Maplewood Missouri appointing
[20:45] Paul McFarland to the sustainability
commission establishing his term of
[20:50] office as expiring June 30th
[20:55] 2028 uh motion to approve seconded
we have a motion a second is there any
[21:02] discussion roll call please actually I
do have one question you I I I'm looking
[21:07] at the packet it shows expiring June
30th
[21:11] 2025 the update to the packet there was
a little mismatch in the agenda that uh
[21:17] was posted separately from the packet
the experation dates are correct in the
[21:22] packet that's posted online currently
okay okay any other disc
[21:29] session then roll call please council
member Paige yes council member Garcia
[21:38] yes mayor Greenberg yes council member
hom yes hey resolution 2466 is
[21:48] approved thank you item number 15 is
Bill number
[21:52] 6265 an ordinance of the city council of
Maplewood uh the city of Maplewood
[21:58] Missouri to reone 2555 Oakland Avenue
from PA public activity District to Sr
[22:05] single family residenti residential
[22:10] district I'll entertain approve
seconded uh is there any
[22:17] discussion um Dr Jameson isn't available
but uh the the property is at the corner
[22:26] of of Oakland uh facing the the high
school uh for those that don't know
[22:33] where it is it was previously a single
family residential zone property and it
[22:40] would be returned to single
family uh is there any any other
[22:47] comments uh the city manager would like
to
[22:51] make glad the house will be returning to
the market and uh adding another
[22:57] residence to our community yeah that's
great news I'm really biased because
[23:01] it's not far from where I live but it's
a really nice
[23:06] neighborhood uh any other
discussion all those in favor I I I any
[23:14] opposed uh SEC second reading bill
number 6265 an ordinance of the city
[23:20] council of the city of Maplewood
Missouri to reone 2555 Oakland Avenue
[23:24] from PA public activity District to Sr
single family residential
[23:30] district motion to approve
seconded any further
[23:36] discussion all those in favor I I any
opposed the motion will move to its
[23:44] third and final reading to be held at
our next
[23:48] meeting uh item number 16 is Bill number
6256 in ordinance of this city council
[23:56] of the city of Maplewood Missouri
authorizing the city manager to execute
[24:00] an
interoperable radio system user
[24:03] agreement with St Louis County in my
understanding this is uh with regards to
[24:08] the emergency Community Communications
radio
[24:12] system and uh so uh what what is the
nature of the the
[24:20] agreement U the agreement uh allows us
to basically uh share operations of our
[24:27] emergency Radio Systems with St Louis
County um and this is an agreement that
[24:31] is in existence now and will continue
now for another uh 10 years to allow
[24:38] more coordinated emergency response
across the county is there any cost on
[24:42] our part there is now okay are there
uh okay so uh I'll entertain a motion
[24:57] motion to approve
seconded uh we have a motion to second
[25:01] is there any
[25:04] discussion I think you've answered the
questions that I had uh all those in
[25:09] favor I I I any opposed uh second
reading bill number 6256 an ordinance of
[25:17] the city council of the city of
Maplewood Missouri authorizing the city
[25:21] manager to execute an interoperable
radio system user agreement with St
[25:26] Louis County
motion to approve
[25:31] seconded we have motion a second any
further
[25:34] discussion all those in favor I I I any
opposed uh the third and final reading
[25:42] will be held at our next
meeting we'll move on to item number 17
[25:48] which is Bill number
6267 an emergency ordinance of the city
[25:52] council of the city of Maplewood
Missouri amending the capital
[25:56] Improvement fund Sewer Lateral fund
Firehouse bond fund Hanley Road special
[26:00] allocation fund and the Cambridge common
special allocation fund budgets for the
[26:06] fisal year beginning July 1st 2023
through June 30th
[26:13] 2024 uh would the city manager like to
briefly uh explain the need for the an
[26:22] emergency ordinance yeah absolutely so
our audit is just about to be closed
[26:27] obviously we want make sure that our
books are correct for the previous
[26:30] fiscal year we only have one meeting
this month in order to pass this
[26:35] ordinance before the end of the calendar
year which is the time that we need to
[26:39] submit our audit findings um and our
financial reporting to the state of
[26:43] Missouri to remain in
compliance okay so that means we'll be
[26:47] reading it three times including the the
third and final reading uh right now so
[26:54] uh for the first reading I'll entertain
a motion
[26:59] motion to approve
seconded and we have a motion to second
[27:03] is there any further discussion amongst
Council
[27:07] here um all those in favor I I any
opposed uh second reading bill number
[27:17] 6267 an emergency ordinance of the city
council of the city of Maplewood
[27:21] Missouri amending the capital
Improvement fund Sewer Lateral fund
[27:26] Firehouse bond fund Hanley Road special
allocation fund and Cambridge common
[27:31] special allocation fund budgets for the
fiscal year beginning July 1st 2023
[27:37] through June 30th
2024 motion to
[27:42] approve seconded we have a motion a
second any discussion all those in favor
[27:49] I I I any
opposed uh final reading uh bill number
[27:56] 6267 an emergency ordinance of the city
council of the city of Maplewood
[28:00] Missouri amending the capital
Improvement fund Sewer Lateral fund
[28:04] Firehouse bond fund Hanley Road special
allocation fund and Cambridge common
[28:09] special allocation fund budgets for the
fiscal year begin beginning July 1st
[28:14] 2023 through June 30th
[28:19] 2024 motion to approve seconded we have
a motion a second uh any
[28:26] discussion uh roll call vote
please council member Garcia yes mayor
[28:33] Greenberg yes council member hom
yes council member Paige yes he bill
[28:43] number
6267 ordinance 6059 is approved thank
[28:50] you uh item number 18 is Bill number
6263 an ordinance of the city council of
[28:57] the city of Maplewood Missouri to reone
the northern
[29:02] 3,360 ft portion of 7443 Hazel Avenue
from single family residential district
[29:09] to CB community business
[29:15] district we need motion to approve
seconded okay we have a motion second is
[29:22] zing discussion I wasn't part of the
first discussion at the last meeting uh
[29:28] and we've heard from the immediate
nextdoor neighbor with his
[29:34] concerns
uh but not necessarily a uh uh he he
[29:43] wants issues to be addressed but uh
didn't necessarily Express
[29:50] opposition
um yeah well I I had one item we we
[29:54] talked about this at length um when this
was last on the agenda last meeting
[29:58] meeting
um I think you know we had Mr King from
[30:02] side project in the council chambers he
answered some questions for us one of
[30:06] the questions I asked was if that space
would be planned to be utilized to move
[30:10] the food truck back um based on my notes
his answer was no they want the food
[30:15] they want the food truck to be as close
to the facility as possible um so I
[30:19] expect that it's just temporarily being
parked there but I I think it would be
[30:24] good if we could reiterate that that you
know the proposed use for customer
[30:28] parking and based on the images that he
provided in the email Mr KN house
[30:33] provided in the email that he sent
earlier this evening um all those trucks
[30:38] both the food truck and the box truck
that's parked
[30:42] there proceed way past any privacy fence
that could be put up so I do understand
[30:47] the need for the buffering to be you
know as mature Conor trees as can be
[30:52] planted um and I think if the city can
help to compel as part of this Pro Pro
[30:58] those things to be done it would be in
the best interest of both the neighbors
[31:01] and uh the business so that's my only
comment on the matter yeah I I agree um
[31:06] there's a huge difference on impact if
you live right behind it if someone's
[31:11] parking a sedan behind a fence versus um
you know a large box truck and you know
[31:17] mayor Greenberg one of the points made
when it was asked last the last session
[31:22] about if like the food truck would be
put back there is the food truck
[31:26] functions as the kitchen for um side
project so they made the very strong
[31:32] point that it makes no sense to make
your staff go farther between your
[31:36] kitchen production site essentially and
your customers especially when you have
[31:40] weather that's cold or hot you know so
um to council member H's Point that's
[31:45] kind of why I'm hoping that this is just
a temporary placement well maybe another
[31:50] part of the lot was being utilized for
something I don't I don't know it was
[31:53] it's a bit surprising with the photos is
there a lever we can pull to react to
[31:58] that if if that's becomes an issue I I
was sort of trying to figure I
[32:03] understand what he's asking and I just
don't want to make sure we're not
[32:05] setting up a situation here where six
months from now it's like well we voted
[32:09] yes
so yeah certainly the the permit
[32:13] approval process will allow us to to
guide essentially what we allow to have
[32:18] in that space and then obviously the
enforcement uh processes have in place
[32:23] can can help monitor that um certainly
we would uh lean on Mr ni to alert us to
[32:28] any circumstances that were occurring
outside of what was approved for the use
[32:34] and the staff
monitor so they would have to obtain a
[32:40] permit for the fence uh one for any
construction on their property and of
[32:46] course uh a permit for the the property
on Hazel so hopefully that will give us
[32:52] an opportunity to uh to stipulate that
uh
[32:58] that the the trucks should not
necessarily should not be located uh
[33:06] where they currently are fair enough I
feel like Mr KN house has been very
[33:10] reasonable so I just we meeting that
agreed
[33:14] agreed is there any other discussion
here you need a roll call vote then
[33:21] please council member Garcia yes mayor
Greenberg yes
[33:28] council member hom
yes council member Paige
[33:37] yes
okay he bill number
[33:42] 6263 ordinance
6057 is
[33:47] approved uh item number 19 is Bill
number
[33:50] 6264 in ordinance of the city council of
the city of Maplewood Missouri providing
[33:55] for a boundary adjustment between the
city of Webster grow in
[34:00] Maplewood motion to approve
seconded okay motion a second uh since
[34:07] we're transferring property to Webster
grow we're going to see a major
[34:12] Financial windfall from this correct we
don't have to care for it yeah
[34:19] exactly
okay so uh is there any discussion
[34:26] here and
uh I believe Amber you're still muted so
[34:31] if you wanted to add anything you'd have
to unmute nothing above and beyond
[34:36] what's in the packet obviously this is
part of our partnership around improving
[34:40] the space and allowing for that Park and
it Mak great sense to us to have Webster
[34:45] Groves maintain the entirety of that
Park um so that we can focus our
[34:50] attention on our other
facilities thank you uh I'll entertain a
[34:56] roll call vote here then
council member Garcia yes mayor
[35:01] Greenberg yes council member hom yes
council member paage yes hey Bill number
[35:10] 6264 ordinance 6058 is
approved okay item number 20 is old
[35:18] business is there any old
[35:21] business hearing none I'll move on to
item number 21 which is Council
[35:27] communication
are there any Council
[35:32] Communications U item number 22 is the
mayor's report and included in your
[35:38] package was uh a recap of uh the events
that I attended at the National League
[35:44] of cities City Summit in Tampa this year
uh I was somewhat over underwhelmed I
[35:53] should say with regards to the quality
of the programming uh in comparison to
[35:58] those programs that I attended
previously before covid uh it it was
[36:04] still beneficial but I really need to
analyze whether it's worth uh uh
[36:11] taxpayers money if I can't come back
with a whole lot of uh ideas and
[36:17] inspiration as I have in the past uh so
uh if you have any questions with
[36:24] regards to any of those uh you I would
say that the trip to the homeless
[36:30] encampment uh the uh Tampa Hope was
probably the the most
[36:36] interesting uh not that it you know that
we're going to set up a bunch of
[36:42] pre-fabricated uh buildings in in
Maplewood but uh you know it it's not
[36:48] just housing they have other programs
that I thought were helpful and there
[36:53] were other uh seminars and workshops and
classrooms and presentations
[36:58] dealing with uh uh housing and dealing
with other issues but
[37:05] uh
uh and things like budgeting and there's
[37:10] a lot of vendors at
the at in the ex exhibit hall that uh
[37:16] that were helpful in working with other
communities and solving the same
[37:19] problems that we're experiencing but
I'll be glad to take any of those
[37:24] questions offline and uh yeah from any
of the council members item number 23 is
[37:31] a city attorney's
report okay here we go I have nothing to
[37:38] report this evening mayor okay uh and
item number 24 is the city manager
[37:43] report I'm pleased to share that our
budget document for the current fiscal
[37:49] year has received the government finance
officer
[37:52] Association the work um that was the bud
that for this year um on prepared into
[37:58] the document that is now posted on the
city's website um so we showed strength
[38:03] and Improvement in several key areas
including um planning um and having five
[38:09] years worth of budgeting uh in our
document versus the one so we're seeing
[38:14] some improvement although they also
identified areas where we can continue
[38:18] to improve which we will be focused on
in our departmental goal setting um
[38:22] which will be shared with Council in
February tickets for the Sweet Tooth
[38:26] tour went on sale yesterday um that
event will be January
[38:31] 2th please plan to join us it will be
cold but
[38:35] delicious we are very excited to have
been able to Pilot a popup retail
[38:40] initiative if you've been uh down Sutton
um next to wellbody you'll have seen
[38:45] that reset vintage apparel which
currently has on bellw has a holiday
[38:49] popup in that space on Sutton they're
already doing brisk business this is a a
[38:55] a concept that we're piloting to see if
we might uh be able to provide this
[38:59] opportunity to businesses to be able to
take up some of those vacant retail
[39:05] spaces this has been so successful
within a short period of time um that we
[39:11] expect there may be a long-term Prospect
for the business owner in that space can
[39:16] can I ask one question did that work
because they're already a Maplewood
[39:19] business and therefore they're kind of
like they've got their license and all
[39:23] that if an outside non- Maplewood
business wanted to do that could we
[39:26] accommodate that
you piloted it with only mle wood
[39:30] businesses for that reason in order to
be able to turn that around fairly
[39:34] quickly and provide for it in our
existing ordinances that being said um I
[39:39] think we just need to do a little bit of
tinkering with our licensing and
[39:42] ordinances to be able to offer this more
[39:48] widely we're looking at that and and
planning and zoning is supportive and
[39:52] aware of some additional adjustment
great
[39:57] um and finally we do have uh the
schedule for the special business
[40:01] district lunch and learn series now
those are
[40:06] open to any interested uh party who
would like to come and learn for free um
[40:13] from speakers so we'll be promoting
those on the city's
[40:17] website
ahead okay item number 25 then is the
[40:23] second of uh three public forums is
there any are there any hands raised
[40:28] yes I am going to allow Mr KN house back
into the meeting and Mr KN house if you
[40:35] could unmute can you hear me now yes
okay yeah I just want to clarify that
[40:40] the food truck it hasn't been parked
like that for several months and I made
[40:43] that I pointed that out in my email to
you guys today I I put it there I showed
[40:47] that picture just to to get a view of
what it would be like if if they did
[40:50] Park a a parallel um right along the
fence line um so I didn't want to
[40:55] mislead anybody that that that hasn't
been like that for a few months since
[40:58] they took that fence down and put it
back up the you the the yellow box truck
[41:03] that was there so I just want to clarify
that didn't want to mislead anybody I
[41:05] heard you talk about that earlier and I
appreciate you guys discussing it thank
[41:08] you guys thank you all right is there
anyone else that would like to speak at
[41:14] the uh public
forum there is not okay uh item number
[41:21] 26 is a business licensed revocation
hearing for map VAP L LC at 20 7213
[41:29] Manchester Road uh will be will we be
dealing with this after the nor the
[41:36] regular meeting
or we're cond meeting during the regular
[41:41] meeting
okay
[41:45] uh and then uh then I should move on to
item number
[41:51] 27 no let's go ahead and launch in okay
I'm the business owner is here here with
[41:57] us so I'm okay bring him into the
meeting Mr
[42:03] sirron and ask him to unmute and
identify himself hello I'm Joe siren
[42:08] owner of
M great thank you so much thank you guys
[42:13] so
much okay so uh for the per for purposes
[42:18] of the record I'm Barry Greenberg mayor
the city of
[42:22] Maplewood and there are uh we have three
m members uh four three members in
[42:29] attendance uh
tonight uh Christa Garcia Eric paage and
[42:34] Nick homa in addition Jackie
Graves uh Maplewood City attorney is
[42:41] here and will advise the city council on
legal matters the Maplewood city council
[42:46] is conducting a hearing to consider the
revocation of the business license
[42:49] issued to map Vape LLC located at 7213
Manchester Road the hearing will be
[42:56] conducted in accordance with section
14-55 of the Maplewood code of
[43:01] ordinances and chapter 536 of the
revised statutes of Missouri referred to
[43:07] as the administrative procedures
act M tea Hyde uh maplewood's resource
[43:15] development and public engage engagement
manager is here and will be presenting
[43:20] testimony and evidence to the city
council Mr Joe siren the M the owner of
[43:25] map vape and holder of the business
license is attending is attending
[43:30] tonight and uh uh Mrs M Graves uh would
you like to offer any exhibits into the
[43:38] record at this time uh yes I would mayor
and just for clarification Amber um was
[43:44] Mr siren provided with the documentation
as well or should we share a screen he
[43:49] was provided with the documentation okay
thank you yes I saw it I'm sorry Mr
[43:55] siren yes I did I did review it okay
thank you I I just to make sure you had
[44:00] it okay um thank you mayor Greenberg I'd
like to let the record reflect that
[44:04] several notices were mailed to Mr siren
including a first notice which was dated
[44:09] June 17 2024 along with a revocation
notice from the Missouri Department of
[44:14] Revenue dated June 12th 2024 a second
notice notifying Mr siren of a hearing
[44:19] dated October 1st 2024 along with a
second revocation notice from the
[44:24] Missouri Department of Revenue dated
August 27th 2024 and a third notice uh
[44:30] which was dated November 20 November
excuse me 14th 2024 notifying Mr siren
[44:36] of this hearing which was mailed to Mr
siren via certified mail the notices are
[44:41] offered and accepted into evidence as
exhibit one and for the council they can
[44:46] be found um in your packet at Pages 49
through
[44:51] 57 I'd like to note that pursuant to
section
[44:55] 14-55 of the Maplewood code of
ordinances it states that prior to
[44:59] conducting this hearing the city clerk
shall mail written notice to the leny
[45:03] that's Mr siren at their last known
address as shown in the records of the
[45:07] city clerk advising the leny of the date
time and place of this hearing and the
[45:11] reasons for considering the revocation
of the license as uh we have done that
[45:16] as set forth in exhibit one the
requirements of
[45:20] 14-55 for notice have been
satisfied in addition chapter 14 of the
[45:27] staplewood code of ordinances including
specifically chapter 14 Article 2
[45:31] Division 1 section
14-23 c regarding the prerequisites for
[45:37] business licenses and 14- 54 A3
regarding the grounds for revocation are
[45:43] offered and accepted into evidence as
Exhibit 2 they are included at the
[45:47] packet at page 67 to 68 I also want to
read into the record uh those two
[45:53] sections section 14-23 c states sales
tax license pursuant to Missouri revised
[45:59] Statute section
[46:11] 144.350 4 A3 States in addition to any
other revocation procedure contained in
[46:17] this code any license issued under this
chapter may be revoked for any of the
[46:21] following reasons subsection 3 states
failure of the license e to pay any
[46:26] license fee or any applicable state tax
arising from the business activity or
[46:30] premises licensed finally I'm offering
and introducing into the record exhibit
[46:36] 3 this is Missouri's uh certification of
the revocation order which is dated
[46:40] November 22nd
2024 confirming uh that the lensee lacks
[46:46] a valid state tax license and this is in
the packet at Pages 69 through
[46:54] 71 and actually the certification on
that is dated November 22nd 2024 the
[47:01] revocation order for exhibit 3 is dated
August 27th 2024 just for clarification
[47:09] and again that's exhibit 3 these are all
the exhibits I'm offering at this time
[47:13] mayor okay does anyone have any
objection to exhibits number one through
[47:19] number
[47:22] three then
uh as a matter of information Miss Hyde
[47:27] will first present evidence to the city
council pertaining to the grounds for
[47:31] revocation as set forth in the notice Mr
siren will have an opportunity to make
[47:37] any objections to the evidence and to
cross-examine any
[47:42] witness uh both parties have the right
to call and examine witnesses to
[47:47] introduce exhibits and to cross-examine
any Witnesses called to testify in this
[47:52] matter once Miss Hyde has finished
speaking Mr siren will will be entitled
[47:58] to call witnesses present any evidence
in opposition to the requested
[48:02] revocation of the business license the
members of the city council are
[48:06] generally familiar with the facts given
rise to the request for revocation based
[48:11] upon the notice of revocation and other
documents presented to the city council
[48:17] members and all parties Miss Hyde are
you prepared to
[48:24] proceed yes
[48:35] and uh Mr siren are you prepared to
proceed I don't know if I am at this
[48:41] time I did not realize what was uh this
whole procedure was about I just would
[48:45] like to State um I know that I was
behind on the sales taxes and I made
[48:50] arrangements with the the Missouri
Department of Revenue and um had paid
[48:55] them a big chunk of money up front it
was making monthly payments so I don't
[48:58] know what had happened between there and
now I had sent in the information when I
[49:03] was uh served by one of your members I
gave them copies of oh no I actually
[49:07] mail emailed them in and that that was
the last I've heard about this until I
[49:13] actually got another email from I guess
whoever sent me the email that I'm on
[49:17] right now from so the the the question
that I have for uh Miss Graves is uh if
[49:25] he proceeds at this time
uh we need to move forward with this
[49:31] uh uh if if there's additional
information that needs to be
[49:38] addressed uh we can deal with it later
in this proceeding or at a subsequent
[49:45] proceeding is that correct uh well mayor
the hearing is scheduled for the evening
[49:51] and was noticed for the evening as set
forth in the notices which was clear as
[49:55] to the purpose tonight
um if there's some reason that the
[49:59] council needs to adjourn this hearing
prior to conclusion uh you could do so
[50:05] um for example for the re one of the
reasons you stated uh but uh the
[50:11] intention would be that it completed be
completed this evening well I would like
[50:15] more time if you don't mind to contact
Missouri Department Revenue again and
[50:19] see what exactly is going on because I
have I've made a payment arranges with
[50:22] them to have the money come out directly
out of my business account and I do know
[50:26] what is going on um and I gave like I
said when this happened I had to fire my
[50:31] my my tax guy back from
2022 and uh then I found this out was
[50:37] all behind on these taxes so I made the
arrangements took money and paid them
[50:40] off to get the caught up on this budget
billion I guess you call it for 18
[50:45] months and now I'm in this with you guys
so if anything I would like another
[50:49] opportunity to call the Missouri
Department revenue and see if I can
[50:52] straighten this out with him myself
before we go any further if that would
[50:55] be okay
uh there are other facts that are
[51:01] pertinent
to to this hearing and uh that's only
[51:07] one of the uh the issues you know to be
addressed here
[51:13] so if we should move forward with this
and discuss the other uh the other
[51:21] issues
here and uh I'm looking for legal uh
[51:27] Direction here
since mayor the the hearing should
[51:33] proceed unless there is a motion to
adjourn the hearing that gets the
[51:37] majority vote of the council otherwise
you should continue to
[51:42] proceed okay uh in that case uh I'll
petition the council here to to
[51:51] determine uh whether we want to proceed
I think that uh that we should move
[51:58] forward with this uh there's a lot of
testimony and information that uh that
[52:07] we would need to hear and that doesn't
mean that we'll have every in all of the
[52:13] facts available to us but uh uh I would
at least like to
[52:20] get uh what we do know and there's
substantial amount of information out of
[52:25] the way
uh does do any of the council members uh
[52:32] not want to continue with the
hearing I don't I agree with mayor
[52:37] greenberger that we should proceed here
that's my stance it seems like there
[52:41] have been plentiful communication it it
you know and and
[52:49] writing yeah and
you it this could go on forever based
[52:55] upon you know getting each and every
piece of information uh and I agree with
[53:02] council member Paige that the there have
been opportunities as uh demonstrated by
[53:09] the notifications that have been
uh uh provided to uh Mr siren so
[53:19] uh in uh Miss Garcia do you
have um
[53:27] an
opinion I think I don't know that it's
[53:31] worth continuing tonight given that Mr
siren has explained that he has been
[53:37] working with the state so if there is a
sinking issue between Communications at
[53:44] the state level that might be leading us
to have a conversation in
[53:49] error that's the only concern I have so
what's the most recent communication we
[53:54] have from the state
[53:58] if we're going to get into that uh we
may want to go ahead and proceed into
[54:02] the hearing um that is but go ahead I
believe that um the last notice that we
[54:09] received based on the documentation that
was entered into evidence and the
[54:14] exhibits um
was a notice dated August 27th 2024
[54:22] which was the second or
third which was the second revocation
[54:27] notice that we received from the
state the state provided us with a
[54:32] certified copy of that document on
November um
[54:38] 22nd yep fine November
22nd so about three weeks
[54:44] ago so
uh uh I certainly don't want to
[54:50] contradict council member Garcia but
there's three of the four of us that
[54:54] would would like to move forward
with this and uh
[55:00] uh I I can see the the potential for
continuations you know uh
[55:08] infinitely in this matter uh if we don't
uh address it
[55:13] now so um based on our
uh uh our vote uh I'd like to swear in
[55:23] the the witnesses Miss Hyde Mr siren uh
would you both raise your right
[55:30] hand do you swear that your testimony
here today shall tell the shall be the
[55:35] truth the whole truth and nothing but
the truth I do I
[55:40] do okay Miss Hyde please
proceed Council as you know my name is
[55:46] Tanish sh Hyde and By Appointment of the
city clerk of the city of Maplewood I
[55:51] manag business licensing for the city as
the resource development and public
[55:55] engagement manager this matter involves
mape Vape LLC located at 7213 Manchester
[56:02] Road pursuant to section
14-23 c of the Maplewood city code no
[56:09] Merchant shall maintain a city business
license without a valid state sales tax
[56:14] license the Missouri Department of
Revenue notified the city on June 12th
[56:20] 2024 of the revocation of make Vapes LLC
state sales tax license the LI C
[56:27] subsequently obtained a certificate of
no tax due on July 2nd
[56:33] 2024 and in response I issued him a city
renewed business license for 2024
[56:40] 2025 correct the Missouri Department of
Revenue again notified the city on
[56:46] August 27th 2024 of a second license
revocation following the certified nosis
[56:52] to the ly Mr sirron provided me with an
email that contained a state payment
[57:00] agreement on October 3rd
2024 upon verification with the
[57:06] Department of Revenue on October 7th
2024 the state confirmed the business
[57:12] lack of valid sales tax license as
certified by the revocation order dated
[57:17] November 22nd
2024 whereas section 14- 54 A3
[57:25] authorizes revocation for failure to pay
required sales tax cause exist to revoke
[57:31] the business license of map Vape
[57:41] LLC unmute here
[57:47] um Mr Mr siren do you have any questions
from Miss Hyde you'll be able to present
[57:54] your own statement
what she did say is correct the only
[57:57] thing that I never got anything other
from the state was that I was getting my
[58:02] license revoked as far as I was set up
with automatic uh direct dep um debit
[58:08] from my account per month for the next
so many months until it was caught up
[58:13] they I made the deal with them giving a
a a three-month upfront which I did and
[58:18] then the payments are supposed to come
out of my account so from
[58:22] here I that's I got need I need to
contact the Missouri Department of
[58:25] Revenue ask him why either they didn't
take the money out or the money came out
[58:29] and they didn't credit my account
properly so it's one of the two
[58:33] things I mean I've been in business here
for 10 years in in the city of Maplewood
[58:37] and I've never had a problem you guys go
back and look all my stuff ever being
[58:40] behind on my taxes until the last two
years and that's the truth so I mean you
[58:45] can go look at your all my records
[58:49] yourself
[58:54] so uh
all right can I ask a question I don't
[58:58] know what the rules are
here yeah uh so I'm noticing on the
[59:04] payment plan like five payments should
have been made already do we have
[59:07] anything from the state like so we are
we Flying Blind on that issue do we know
[59:11] if those five pay right so if you sorry
I don't mean to interrupt but August I
[59:15] know August September and October will
definitely come out I see them on the
[59:19] plan I don't see any way to verify that
that's
[59:23] happened council member paid just the
way this would work is the city presents
[59:28] its evidence and then Mr siren can rebut
that evidence so I see so we need to see
[59:32] effectly what I would suggest is that he
should provide that evidence the city is
[59:36] not required to determine that he made
payments or
[59:44] not yeah I guess what I'm saying is if
that could be provided right now that
[59:48] might have an impact on my
opinion so you need me to provide that
[59:54] the payments were coming out yeah right
that would be evidence that I didn't I
[1:00:00] wasn't prepared for any of that I didn't
like again this is the first thing I
[1:00:03] didn't know what I didn't know what this
was about besides me coming to talk to
[1:00:05] you guys about the licensing that was
all I I wasn't prepared for anything
[1:00:09] besides this just to talk to you guys
about it I read through the stuff and uh
[1:00:14] the letters that uh that I guess Mrs uh
Miss Hyde had sent me today uh or
[1:00:21] yesterday I guess it was and uh just
came to the meeting this why I'm here I
[1:00:27] had no I reculation what else was going
to happen besides me talking to you guys
[1:00:30] about the taxes talking about what's
going on Missouri Department revenue and
[1:00:33] then me me resolving it with them and
then that's what that's what I was
[1:00:37] assuming was going to happen so I'd like
to give Miss Hyde an opportunity to ask
[1:00:44] questions at this point
sure um I don't really have a question
[1:00:50] as I stated he did email me that payment
plan and I followed up with the state
[1:00:56] to make sure because I I got a notice
saying that he was not in compliance so
[1:01:02] then I followed up once he submitted
that he actually had a payment plan and
[1:01:07] their response was he did not have a
valid sales tax license and I would also
[1:01:13] like to say I sent this notice certified
mail on November 14th and it is stamped
[1:01:19] that it was received on November 19th
and it had all of the information for
[1:01:23] today's hearing so
I I don't know what
[1:01:28] else I I could have
done no I'm not blaming I'm not saying
[1:01:34] I'm not putting the blame on anybody if
anything it's on me I get that but I
[1:01:38] just need more time to fix it with the
Missouri Department of
[1:01:42] Revenue I mean if I call them up and
they're like give me more money to get
[1:01:46] it back on on track I have no problem
doing that I just don't want
[1:01:49] to I'm not trying to skip out on not
paying my taxes put it that way I
[1:01:54] wouldn't have I wouldn't have done all
this to keep my life if I didn't think I
[1:01:57] I got the non non- tax due when I got
the re the the license renewed from
[1:02:07] them I me the thing I'm reading is to
resolve the matter prior to the hearing
[1:02:12] number two says provide proof of payment
to our office no later than December 4
[1:02:16] and I guess what I'm hearing from Miss
hey is that we never received that
[1:02:21] information
[1:02:29] I I'm sorry I don't have that gu that
piece with me I got the stuff that she
[1:02:32] sent
me and the the payout agreement that I
[1:02:38] had with Missouri Department Revenue
that's all I
[1:02:43] brought well I I think it's a valid
point that uh Mr Paige made with regards
[1:02:50] to you know the notification was given
with regards to the expectations
[1:02:56] that we have so that we can actually you
know adjudicate this this matter uh and
[1:03:02] without that information it makes makes
it very difficult for us to do our
[1:03:07] job
uh and so I am you know at this point
[1:03:14] I'm not sure
exactly uh you know what you could if
[1:03:20] you're not prepared to provide us with
the information that we've asked for uh
[1:03:26] you know the question I have is you know
should we you know pardon me wants to
[1:03:31] move forward and uh and then uh you know
addressing the concerns of council
[1:03:38] member Garcia you know we want to we do
want to have all the
[1:03:43] information uh sure before making you
know any type of decision but you know
[1:03:49] the the process has been established
notification has been given and
[1:03:54] subsequently
uh we don't have the in you know any
[1:03:58] information to uh to
support uh uh in particular in in this
[1:04:06] case you know the payments uh having
been made to the sure well would you
[1:04:11] guys be willing to give me like another
two to three weeks so we can meet again
[1:04:15] and I can bring you everything and have
this all sorted out by
[1:04:18] then and then you guys could go through
all this and I have everything to prove
[1:04:22] what I've done not done and then you can
make your decision from there
[1:04:28] you know I I would need some reassurance
that we're we're that we would be able
[1:04:33] to at that time address this the the
concern that one of the concerns I have
[1:04:38] is that uh you know we're allowing the
business to
[1:04:45] continue uh
operation uh and we obviously have
[1:04:53] evidence to indicate that uh the
business hasn't met the the requirements
[1:04:59] uh in order to to conduct business and
so I'm in in that respect I'm reluctant
[1:05:08] to uh to postpone the the proceedings
but I'd like to hear from the other
[1:05:14] council
members Mr siren was it your
[1:05:19] understanding that the only thing needed
to reinstate your license
[1:05:26] with the state was to get on the tax
payment plan because it feels like it
[1:05:31] feels like there's two things going on
and that Miss Hyde had said she had
[1:05:35] reached out and to the state and been
told the license was still
[1:05:39] revoked but you're saying no no I have a
payment plan and I mean like to me it
[1:05:45] just sounds like maybe there's one more
step that was missed to say yes I have a
[1:05:50] payment plan with the state and also
maybe there's I mean
[1:05:54] it maybe there's another form or
something random that's being Miss I
[1:05:58] don't know that because I never had to
go throughs before because when I would
[1:06:01] always go down there I give you guys my
my yearly Ledger and then I give you the
[1:06:05] no tax due to get my license renewed so
when I found that these taxes were bowed
[1:06:10] they they like you're going to you're
going to have to pay this big chunk of
[1:06:12] money and get on this payment plan and
then they'll give me a no tax due to get
[1:06:16] my license renewed that's what I did so
it's all I've done and then I was doing
[1:06:20] the payment plan and now it seems like
something happened that I didn't make
[1:06:23] the payments or something and and if I
did they didn't count them towards me
[1:06:27] and now I'm getting in this whole
situation so I just feel like I need
[1:06:30] more time to do my own research I didn't
do any research I I was literally
[1:06:35] looking at this thinking you guys wanted
to discuss this whole situation with me
[1:06:39] and then telling me hey this is what
needs to happen Mr siren you either fix
[1:06:42] this or we're going to whatever I did
not know this was the last draw what I
[1:06:47] was coming to this meeting I
just I'm sorry I didn't take it as
[1:06:51] serious as I thought I should have I'm I
was dealing with Missouri Department
[1:06:54] Revenue so
I'll just be
[1:06:59] honest we appreciate your cander on it
uh go ahead yeah I have a question maybe
[1:07:05] for attorney Graves I share the mayor's
concerns um feels to me like there are
[1:07:11] two issues here and the one we're
dealing with is just the Maplewood
[1:07:13] business license the evidence that we
have is from the Department of Revenue
[1:07:17] um and I my understanding is that we
can't continue the Maplewood business
[1:07:21] license if the state sales tax is not up
to date so we've given notice um and to
[1:07:30] ask for evidence of the payment by
December 4th which we don't have if we
[1:07:34] were to adjourn and extend an additional
timeline so that Mr siren could provide
[1:07:40] that evidence to us are we in any legal
Jeopardy does that put the city you know
[1:07:45] because we're allowing that business to
continue to operate is that a problem
[1:07:49] for
us so
[1:07:52] I so council member H I do not believe
that is a problem for the city um I
[1:07:58] would note the revocation order states
that um Mr siren cannot operate uh map
[1:08:05] Vape um under Missouri law um and that
continuing to operate um without a valid
[1:08:11] Missouri retail sales tax is a
misdemeanor uh so there are very real
[1:08:16] consequences for Mr siren I I do not
believe there there are consequences for
[1:08:20] the
[1:08:23] city yeah I I don't want to be in the
business of gotcha time with a 10y year
[1:08:28] long business so I I'm I'm softening my
perspective here I do think reading
[1:08:32] these letters a little bit more
carefully be advisable going forward
[1:08:36] correct you're right I I again I I take
ownership from that I'll be I'll be
[1:08:41] honest yeah know fair enough I mean
that's that's fine um so I don't know I
[1:08:46] I feel like our hand I'm sort of like
nak council person home is I I feel like
[1:08:50] our hands are a little tied here um but
I also don't want to do something we
[1:08:54] can't
you know Rectify if we've got it
[1:09:00] wrong well the the different scenarios
here one if we if we revoke the business
[1:09:06] license then uh what would be the
process to reinstate the business
[1:09:14] license and Tiffany do you have a is
that your area of
[1:09:20] expertise I it probably should be I can
state that I can answer that mayor um he
[1:09:26] can reapply for a license and a license
can that has been revoked may not be
[1:09:31] reissued until the basis for the
revocation has been cured so he would
[1:09:36] have to prove to the city that uh this
is no longer an
[1:09:41] issue is there a step between approval
and revoc like is there a suspend or is
[1:09:47] it this or that not under our code okay
thank
[1:09:53] you well I also hold it to o license too
that's that's a part of my business and
[1:09:58] a retail license and a merchant license
so I do have all three of
[1:10:03] those sorry we're closed yeah
[1:10:10] sorry may I just note for the record
just before we before we move on that um
[1:10:17] I'm gonna suggest that the email that
Tiffany had with the Department of uh
[1:10:22] Revenue which is at Pages 58 and 5 n of
the packet be marked as exhibit four for
[1:10:28] this
[1:10:37] hearing uh based on the information that
attorney Graves gave us you know about
[1:10:42] reinstatement of a business license it
it feels to me like no matter which
[1:10:46] direction we
go they're we're going to have to have a
[1:10:49] resolution with the Department of
Revenue and Mr siren before we like if
[1:10:54] we adjourn tonight that's going to have
to happen or else we're going to be
[1:10:56] doing this again uh we're going to have
to have evidence of payment and make
[1:11:00] sure that the resolution with the
Department of Revenue is all ironed out
[1:11:04] and if we revoke then once that's ironed
out we can always issue another business
[1:11:08] license so um to me it feels like we
land in similar places no matter what
[1:11:13] the path forward tonight is I I actually
had one thought about that though and I
[1:11:18] I should probably know this and I don't
would I don't know I'm assuming if he
[1:11:22] had to reapply for another business
license after we revoked one whatever
[1:11:25] fees are associated that would be back
in
[1:11:28] force is that a I I should know this but
is that a significant
[1:11:34] amount does anybody know what that fee
is I do not know for this
[1:11:40] business yeah I know I know it cost me
you up money to get a license every time
[1:11:45] I I renew it every single year and then
The Upfront does cost more but I just
[1:11:50] don't want to I mean if I can save this
from you guys closing me down and give
[1:11:53] me another three weeks to fix this I
mean if I have to I'll take I'll pull
[1:11:57] money out of my 401k to freaking pay
this I don't care I just didn't want to
[1:12:01] have to do that I'll take penal I'll
take penalties and hits on that to be
[1:12:05] honest with youut down either way
because sounds like you're committing a
[1:12:09] crime if if you continue to operate
business whether we say so or not so i'
[1:12:13] I'd be careful there fee that he paid
for um 2425 was
[1:12:21] $19.72 okay so not not
substantial so so one one scenario then
[1:12:26] would be to revoke the license and then
as soon as Mr siren could provide
[1:12:33] evidence of uh of his standing with the
state then I'm assuming at that point uh
[1:12:40] he would be allowed
to uh apply and we would approve a
[1:12:45] business license does that sound
correct yeah but was going to happen
[1:12:50] I'll lose all my business and I'll be
out of business I can't do that well
[1:12:55] well what I'm saying is that 10 year
following here you
[1:13:00] know well you know it seems like this
hinges upon the uh the state
[1:13:08] acknowledging that you're in in decent
standing with them so you know in your
[1:13:15] opinion how long would it take for you
to ascertain
[1:13:19] that I think by the first of the year
for sure I mean I'll call them tomorrow
[1:13:23] and figure out if I can get this done
tomorrow but I I've tried to call them
[1:13:27] before on Monday and they were so busy
they put me on a on a call back they
[1:13:32] never call me
back
[1:13:36] so I mean I I'm happy to sit on it for
till our next meeting but I I don't
[1:13:41] think that solves Mr siren's problem it
still doesn't sound like he should be
[1:13:44] operating his business whether or not we
put this off or act today either way as
[1:13:50] far as the state's concerned I'm not
sure uh I don't think that solved your
[1:13:53] problem but you know I like I said I
don't I don't want to be in the gotta
[1:13:57] business if this is an honest mistake or
there's some documentation that this
[1:14:01] that's just there that we don't have in
front of us I mean I the letter was
[1:14:05] clear you should have had it tonight but
again I you know I'm I'm willing to sit
[1:14:09] on it for a couple weeks if we need
to yeah I agree with council member
[1:14:14] Paige
um I resp I also think though that it's
[1:14:19] not really our purview to manage what's
going on with map vape and the state of
[1:14:24] Missouri Department Revenue we're just
talking about our business license
[1:14:27] tonight um I'll just Echo that yeah I
think these these letters were clear and
[1:14:33] I I'm all about Second Chances so if if
you have evidence to show that you've
[1:14:38] paid and you can provide that evidence
to us um I'm willing to you know adjourn
[1:14:43] this now I guess my qu my question is so
now that we've we've got you here Mr
[1:14:47] siren and this is all clear if we get
back in January and we have to do this
[1:14:51] again I think it's safe to say that I
would be comfortable
[1:14:55] with the revocation and moving forward
if you can't provide and you don't have
[1:14:59] this cleared up um my question for
attorney Graves is if we adjourn this
[1:15:04] now do we have to come back and do this
entire thing again with entering
[1:15:08] exhibits into evidence and hearing or
can we pick up where we left off we will
[1:15:11] be able to pick up where you left off
okay okay my my other question is what
[1:15:15] happened I have is all figured out and
I'm bringing you the the information to
[1:15:18] your guys office and it's all taken care
of do we have to meet again or are we
[1:15:22] back are we then okay or do we have to
meet
[1:15:26] regardless if you provide the
documentation which shows that you are
[1:15:32] um good with the state of Missouri and
that you have a Missouri retail sales
[1:15:37] tax license not just that you've paid
made payments um
[1:15:44] then I don't did I miss something here
did I was was I supposed to like buy get
[1:15:49] another did I miss getting the license
renewed is other saying the revocation
[1:15:53] order from the Department of Revenue
states that you are notified that your
[1:15:58] res your retail sales tax license was
revoked by the state of
[1:16:03] Missouri so the information we've been
provided is that you do not have a sales
[1:16:08] tax license to operate in
Missouri okay then I need to get a hold
[1:16:13] of because I was very confused I I
didn't I don't even have anything from
[1:16:16] them saying I don't have a my license
ever revoked it says that I made an
[1:16:21] agreement with him and I got my no tax
due so I could get my license renewed
[1:16:24] with the state of uh Maplewood so I need
to you got to give me some time to call
[1:16:30] to get this taken care of I I'm will
whatever and I I'll need a little
[1:16:35] guidance but whatever motion I need to
make to say let's sit on this till the
[1:16:40] next meeting in January I'm willing to
make
[1:16:43] um whatever that whatever that verbage
is well I I think that you know the idea
[1:16:52] here is that it if we don't proceed with
the revocation right now then uh Mr
[1:17:01] siren's going to be operating at his own
risk with regards to the
[1:17:06] state uh and
so either way all of this has to be
[1:17:12] resolved before the next meeting so
correct so the idea would be that we
[1:17:19] wouldn't you there'd be no need for a
revocation hearing if everything is
[1:17:25] taken care of if it's not taken care of
then I think it's very clear which
[1:17:30] direction you know uh we would be going
on on the revocation yeah fair enough I
[1:17:37] be I be I I understand completely I
appreciate your
[1:17:42] guys um so I I just have one question on
Clarity based on something that mayor
[1:17:46] Greenberg said it no matter what action
we take here tonight seems to me like M
[1:17:52] Vape is operating outside the bounds of
the law right right now because there is
[1:17:57] no sales
tax there is no valid state sales
[1:18:03] tax uh certificate or no matter what we
do here so like this is something that
[1:18:08] has to be handled with the Department of
Revenue we just can't issue a business
[1:18:12] license in Maplewood if that other
license doesn't exist is that is that
[1:18:16] accurate Jackie or yes that's accurate I
we are not we the city are not the ones
[1:18:23] to determine whether or not uh Mr siren
is in violation of state law all we can
[1:18:28] say is that here's our city business
license and our city business license
[1:18:33] says that you can't have a our code says
you can't have a business license if you
[1:18:37] don't have the state retail sales tax
license yeah so if he's operating
[1:18:42] without a state retail sales tax license
either he shouldn't be issued a business
[1:18:47] license or if he has one the code says
that it should be revoked
[1:18:52] so does that answer your question mom
yeah it does and I I've I mean I think
[1:18:58] there's enough gray area and potential
for miscommunication that I'm willing to
[1:19:03] you know adjourn and give until the next
the January meeting to see if uh this
[1:19:08] can be settled with the state and the
evidence that we need produced so that
[1:19:12] we don't even need to either have the
hearing or if we can't iron it out we'll
[1:19:17] come back here and pick up where we left
off if we do it' be a fast meeting I
[1:19:21] yeah I agree with that and I think uh
I'm totally willing to believe that the
[1:19:25] state is operating like a Swiss watch
right so I like I've dealt with these
[1:19:28] kind of issues so I I don't want to just
and I if it doesn't hurt us then we're
[1:19:32] just sort of sitting on the sidelines
and letting it play out and I'm
[1:19:37] perfectly fine with
that I don't want to put um unnecessary
[1:19:42] impediments in the way of a business
yeah seeing that this might be easily
[1:19:47] enough
resolved so so just to be clear uh Mr
[1:19:54] siren you're going to be contacting the
state of Missouri uh and you know we
[1:20:00] just I just want to you be clear that
what you know I understand the the
[1:20:07] difficulties of dealing with the state
uh but this this does need to be
[1:20:13] resolved I agree and whether you have to
go to Jesse or or what you have to do
[1:20:19] I've I've haven't been in that exact
situation but I've experienced the same
[1:20:24] frustration with the the workings of the
the state of Missouri uh and it's you
[1:20:30] know it's imperative that you
uh get you know back in the good graces
[1:20:38] of the state of Missouri and then at
that point
[1:20:42] uh the your your uh business license
with the state of I mean with the city
[1:20:49] of Maplewood should just be pretty much
a formality I would think
[1:20:54] and so uh you know I don't want to leave
this
[1:20:59] until uh our next meeting I want I I
really want to see this resolved right
[1:21:05] away uh and uh so that we don't have to
you know to go through this uh this
[1:21:13] process uh because as as you know if if
we have to go through this process a
[1:21:19] month from now uh I think we we all know
what the outcome is going to be and fair
[1:21:25] enough it doesn't help the it doesn't
help you obviously it doesn't help the
[1:21:29] city of
Maplewood uh and uh I don't want to see
[1:21:34] one of our businesses in trouble with
the state of Missouri either me either I
[1:21:38] I don't
so so at this point
[1:21:45] uh uh this isn't a normal Council matter
uh from a legal
[1:21:51] perspective uh should we then make a
motion to adjourn the hearing to January
[1:22:01] 14th
14th okay then I'll entertain a motion
[1:22:06] at this point motion to adjourn the
revocation hearing to January 14
[1:22:12] 2025 I need a second
seconded we have a motion in the second
[1:22:18] uh we've already had our discussion
unless there's any other comments that
[1:22:22] anyone wants to make so it this point uh
we need a we need a Voice vote or a uh
[1:22:30] roll
[1:22:33] call I'm not
sure uh you just do a roll
[1:22:40] call okay uh Danel would you like to
your council member Garcia yes mayor
[1:22:50] Greenberg yes council member hom yes
[1:22:56] council member Paige
yes okay okay so uh please take care of
[1:23:04] it uh you know if there's anything that
the city can do to help you know we will
[1:23:09] try but the the fact of the matter is
your issue is with the the state of
[1:23:14] Missouri and
uh
[1:23:18] uh yeah good luck thank you guys I
appreciate your patience and I will take
[1:23:23] care of this I prise you all right good
luck thank you Merry
[1:23:29] Christmas like yep yep have a good night
so let me get back to my notes Here uh
[1:23:38] with regards to the meeting uh that was
item number
[1:23:44] 26 uh item number 27 is a motion to hold
a close session is there a need to hold
[1:23:49] a closed
session uh then
[1:23:55] item number 28 is adjournment do we have
a motion motion to adjourn second we
[1:24:02] have motion a second uh all those in
favor I I I any
[1:24:08] opposed uh
the uh the meeting is
[1:24:13] adjourned and so you know I wouldn't
mind you know staying here and talking
[1:24:18] about it but uh needs to be a public
meeting so we really can't do that so uh
[1:24:24] hopefully we won't need to have any
discussion before next
[1:24:27] time so uh quick question city
manager the the the tech updates in our
[1:24:36] Council chamber so that started this
this week last week almost concluded
[1:24:42] it'll be done next week oh awesome okay
we'll have our next meeting in person I
[1:24:48] mean my sofa is comfier than my chair
there you can bring it to the council
[1:24:53] chamber then
[Laughter]
[1:24:58] okay well uh if there's other other
questions we can't conduct business but
[1:25:04] uh we can still ask uh you know staff
questions if we want to uh but it sounds
[1:25:10] like we've we've explored that and so uh
uh we'll be meeting again on uh and as
[1:25:17] soon as uh Tiffany as soon as there's
any evidence that he's in compliance
[1:25:23] please let us know
uh but I I hope that he got the
[1:25:29] message uh because I think I think the
message is very clear and uh you know
[1:25:34] people need to do their homework when
they're you know when they're running a
[1:25:39] business so uh the meeting is adjourned
I guess uh we can all leave the meeting
[1:25:46] and I hope everyone has a wonderful
Christmas Hanukkah New Year and uh
[1:25:54] uh look forward to getting back together
in January yep happy holiday holidays
[1:26:01] all have a good night than everyone bye
bye bye