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Thank you for being here this evening. We'd like to go ahead and call the City Council regular meeting to order. This time, we're going to have the Reverend Arnold Jackson from Mount Mariah Community Church offer our invocation. After which Councilmember Kimbo will lead us in the pledge of allegiance. If you'd all please stand.

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Oh God, our creator and assistantator. We come to you on this city council meeting this evening asking that your presence be among us.

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We pray that each item on the agenda would be worked according to your will, and according to your way.

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We ask that the individuals that have to make presentations this evening would be guided and be led by you.

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Be in this meeting, especially since it's the first official formal meeting since the elections.

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and we pray that each individual would be guided and would be led by you, bless us in

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during this holiday season of Christmas, of Quanza that is coming up in Hanukkah and

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all these things we ask in the name of the Father, the name of the Son, my Lord, and Savior

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Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and we all said amen.

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Congratulations to the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands one nation in the visible liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Great.

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Thank you very much.

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That'll take us to the roll, please.

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Council member Kimball.

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Council member Manfredi.

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Council member Smith.

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Council member Wade.

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Vice Mayor Brown.

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Mayor Price.

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Here.

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Mr. Mayor.

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We have a quorum.

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Thank you.

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We do have a proclamation.

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Excuse me.

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It's not a proclamation.

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It's an award to present tonight.

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The Far Department has been very, very patient with me as we have been exceptionally busy

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since let's say August when they were awarded this award.

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But we did want to get around to it and we wanted to definitely say thank you.

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They've done a great job.

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I'm going to invite Assistant Chief Bobby Miller up as well as anyone else from the Far Department

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who would like to receive this, this is for the Premier level agency known as the Premier

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EMS agency program.

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And Bobby, would you tell us a little bit about what this award is?

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Yeah, I'm here.

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Now some members.

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My name is Bobby Miller.

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I'm the assistant chief of operations and this is a really exciting thing for us because we

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get to celebrate some of the work that some of the behind the scenes people do specifically

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Cindy Innski, who years ago started a records management system, image trends so we could track

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a better track of our, I'm trying not to use acronyms so EMS emergency medical services

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through image trend and working with DHS, Arizona Department of Health Services, we were awarded

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because of the work of Cindy Innski, a premier EMS provider and that means for the citizens of

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copa that you can be assured that through the fire department that you get top-notch medical treatment

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in our response areas that we have an oversight area that we participate in record keeping

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and that we are on track with national trends in EMS emergency services. I'm very excited because

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Cindy really appreciates the limelight. She many times will be found, look at me, look at me,

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It's really torture for her, which we find huge delight in, so Cindy, if you would come up and we can give you your award.

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Congratulations for a far department, especially to Cindy and Skip, and all those who work so hard on that. We really appreciate it. It's a lot of work.

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That takes us at this time to the report from the mayor. As many of you heard before from previous council members, had the opportunity as well to participate in the, as the MC for the Maricopa Shark Tank, which was hosted by MCU, which is the Maricopa Center for Entrepreneurship.

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Now, there's a wonderful experience in which we got to hear from a variety of different

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of our youth on how to create a business.

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And there were some really interesting ideas, and so I hope we get to see more of that in

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the future.

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I think it was something very surprising, because I didn't, I don't know, I didn't know

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what to expect, but in the end, I was absolutely flabbergasted.

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And so, you know, the purpose of a Center for Entrepreneurship is to come up with new ideas

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and basically grow something homegrown into something large, and so I hope that we'll see

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many great things coming from folks that are willing to do that in the future.

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Also, we had the opportunity for the four-hour city shop at the COP program.

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I had the opportunity to go to Walmart with many children this year.

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I think it was 32, 36 children that really needed some help and the four-hour city.

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Group helps to raise donations and access the third part of the AISON to the MPD or

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of police department, they were there at Walmart and at McDonald's that morning and were able

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to do much shopping for their families and it truly was a magnificent event.

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Fire also had their toys for a ride as you heard before was able to participate in that.

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I'm not sure if my children or me were more excited about riding in the fire truck.

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So that was always interesting.

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And I did see lots of other adults that were probably more excited than their children.

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And so they were more than happy to purchase a toy and bring it.

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So they got to go for a ride in the fire truck.

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And I know that all they really wanted to do was play with the lights and sirens with they which they also got to do so that was a good thing as well

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We also had the I had the opportunity to attend the A dot meeting in Tucson

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I wanted to announce that former mayor of Maricopa, Kelly Anderson is now the official chair of the state transportation board

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That's really impressive

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That's that's a really impressive thing. I also got to sit next to supervisor Smith

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So, I had put a post on Facebook saying that between myself, Mayor Anderson and former Mayor Smith.

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Now, Supervisors Smith, I think we had this transportation thing covered, so we're closing in on them, they can't get away from us.

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At the same time, we also wanted to let you all know that we are always looking for volunteers for boards, committees and commissions.

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The city clerk and along with our graphic designers and Ruben put together this fancy little brochure, maybe you saw it in the audience, maybe you didn't.

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But it talks about what is a border committee or commission here at the city of Maricopa, what they do, what their responsibilities are.

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I think so often people ask me, how do I get involved when I say, you know, please get involved in a border commission.

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They think, oh, I'm going to have to be there every day in every night, and that's just not the case.

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However, you are an invaluable member of our team, and we can't do this job without you.

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So I would encourage you to pick up this little pamphlet or brochure, take a look at it, learn how you can be of use to the city

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into your community and give back a little bit, we really do truly take your recommendations

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and we can't do it without you.

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That being said, at this time we have a commission that is open called the non-profit funding

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committee.

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And this is the committee that will vet all the non-profits who wish to participate in

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the upcoming budget discussions for the city of Maricopa.

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This is an opportunity in which the city takes 1% of its budget and gives it back to the

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community.

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Sometimes in past years we haven't given it all just based on budgetary restrictions but we

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do look to help those nonprofits that are perhaps struggling or wanting to succeed or start up.

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And so we really do want to help out in any way we shape perform we can.

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And so this committee is the one that will look through these and scrutinize them and make

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recommendations to council.

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So if you are interested in doing that, we would really prefer that you contact the city clerk

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of Vanessa Boros here, put in your application and we really are on a time crunch here.

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So if you can do that here before, really the end of December, and especially as things get

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busy and before you forget, we'd really enjoy that.

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So please participate in that fashion.

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And then last but not least, I wanted to say that tonight is unfortunately our last

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night for Micah Miranda to be our economic development director.

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And so we wanted to have him stand.

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Micah?

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Whenever I can embarrass staff, I do it.

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Mike has accepted a position at the City of Chandler.

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I've told him he is not allowed to give away all of our trade secrets.

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And so anyways, we are very excited for him.

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It will be a wonderful opportunity.

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We are deeply...

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Deeply appreciative for everything that you have done for us in the past two and a half years, two years.

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And, you know, one of the things you guys don't understand is that economic development works behind the scenes as kind of the quarterback in making sure that development services and all these different agencies police and fire work together to create the potential for a new business to even arrive here.

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And so it's a tedious, tedious job.

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It's pretty much 24-7, and Mike has done a stellar job for us.

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So again, thank you, Mike.

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And that concludes my report.

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Thank you.

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We'll turn it time over to City Manager Rose for his report.

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I'd like to echo the mayor's comments regarding

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Mike's outstanding performance.

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He will certainly be missed, not just as a member of the executive team,

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but certainly as a valuable contributor to the community.

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I think that he has a clear vision and real leadership skills and so, you know, it's certainly our loss, but I begrudgingly wish it well.

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It is viewed to your endeavors.

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It's certainly a wish that he were going to continue here with us in Miracopin.

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I'm sure I speak for the rest of the executive team as well.

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But the distance I would have to report you on it.

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Appreciate it.

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That takes us to the call to the public.

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So at this time I do have a speaker card first for the call to the public and so we'll go to that speaker card first after which all are welcome to approach the podium.

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We ask that you keep your comments to three minutes or under.

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We have a timer there for your convenience as well as that this is a time in which you can tell.

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The city council wants on your mind but we don't typically respond as this is not agendas for a back and forth discussion.

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However, if we can help you with getting the right contact person with staff or agendas for a future agenda will do so.

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So at this time, I wanted to offer the opportunity to bury McCann,

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the McCann or McCain.

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Barry, are you here?

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I don't see Barry at the moment.

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So if he comes back before the end of called the public,

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we'll welcome him up to the podium.

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If not, we'll move ahead at this time.

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If you wish to approach the council, you may do so.

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Please state your name.

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Jolly Booth.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor and city council members.

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My name is Jolly Booth.

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And I'm from the NYRC Sad Club Committee, the Assubs Committee Committee of the newly found

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BIOS and Youth Coalition.

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For the past year, we have been promoting our Y21 campaign to let our peers and community

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know why the legal age is 21.

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There are several physical development risks, including brain development issues, as well as

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accidents and issues with school achievement.

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This year, we want to focus on a more positive approach.

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We want to highlight the youth who do not use drugs or alcohol because they far outweigh the ones who do.

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We have collected pictures of local youth sharing their favorite substance free activities,

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and created this above influenced posters, celebrating the youth who do not use drugs and alcohol.

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Tonight we have brought you a copy of the poster and we hope that you will consider a place you can display it with pride.

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Thank you for the city of Maricopa's continued support of our youth.

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Thank you very much.

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Please state your name.

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My name is Keona.

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And hi, Mr.

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Hi, Mr. Mayor and city council members.

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I'm pleased to tell you that according to the 2014 Arizona Youth Survey,

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a escalator reported that in the last 30 days,

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76.8% do not use alcohol,

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Well, 88 of eighth graders did not use cigarettes, and 88.2% did not use marijuana.

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Good evening, Mr. Marin City Council members. I am William Roe. I am pleased to

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tell you that according to the 2014 Arizona Youth Survey, 10th graders reported that in the

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last 30 days, the 71.3% of students did not use alcohol, 87.5% did not use cigarettes, and

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34.4% did not use marijuana.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor, and City Council members.

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My name is Joseph Montauvo, and I am pleased to tell you that, but according to the 2014

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era of Son of Youth, surveyed high school seniors reported that in the last 30 days, 69.1%

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did not use alcohol, 84.5% did not use cigarettes.

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And 75.6% do not use marijuana.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor and City Council members. My name is Genevieve Bernal. We would like to invite you and members of the community to our first general meeting of the Biosam Youth Coalition at the Maricopa Youth Recreation Center at Maricopa Elementary School on January 15 from 6 to 7 p.m. We are looking for sector reps and members who can help us increase the number of youth

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not using substances and assist them in meeting their full potential.

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Thank you for your time and we hope to see you there.

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And what was the date again, the date in the time?

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January 15th from 6 to 7.

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Thank you very much.

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And that was at Maricopa Elementary School, correct?

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Okay. Great. Thank you very much.

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Anyone else at this time wish to you a person council?

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Good evening, Mayor and Council and Mayor Copa Community.

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I would like to invite you to a special event this Saturday

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at the Recycling Association of Miracopa at 46250 West McDavid

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Road.

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My name is Gina Diabella and I operate the Recycling Association

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of Miracopa there.

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We are sponsoring a holiday eco gift boutique.

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You may have wondered, what happens to all that recycling that comes into our facility?

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Well, sometimes we have very creative and ambitious artists that take advantage of all the resources we have

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and make beautiful creations from your recycled bottles and cans, metal, and other items that come into our facility.

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So that you can see these beautiful creations please stop by from 9am to 4pm

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And maybe you'll get some ideas for our art recycling contest for April 2015, thank you.

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Thank you, Gina.

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Seeing no one, we'll go ahead and close to the call to the public.

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And move on to the minutes.

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That takes us to item 7, 7.17.2.

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Can I have a motion to approve the minutes, please?

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Have a motion, is there a second?

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Yes.

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I'm December 1st, so do I recuse myself?

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Legal, I don't think that you have to, but it's up to Dennis.

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So it's your choice.

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At this time, we have a motion and a second correct, I believe,

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Council Member Van Freddy, is there any further discussion on the item?

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Seeing none, all in favor say aye, aye, any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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That takes us to item eight.

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There are no public hearings at this time.

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And then on to the consent agenda, an items that are found on a number of nine here, nine

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one through nine, six.

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So you have a motion to approve consent, please.

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Have a motion, a second, is there any further discussion on the consent?

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seeing none on favor say aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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And that takes us to the regular agenda.

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Item's 10.1 through 10.10.

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At this time, we'll go ahead and start with item 10.1, which is the mayor and council

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to discuss the cost of take action on making appointments to the mayor couple of youth council.

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This is for discussion and action.

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And I'll turn it over to Rocky first after which I have a few comments.

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It's one of my favorite nights of the year, it's time for our annual Youth Council

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appointments for 2014-2015.

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It's hard to believe that this is actually our fifth year doing the Maricopa Youth Council,

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and we keep getting wonderful kids applying each year.

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I was just wanted to share with you historically how we got to tonight, so you can know

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where we're at.

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On August 5th, the Maricopa City Council voted to amend the Youth Council Guide, one of the

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The major permit amendments we made is that now the selection process is comprised of each member of the

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American Council appointing two team representatives to serve on the board.

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Now, I can say that I need to officially pass the torch.

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I have Heather Lizano.

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She's our new youth programs coordinator.

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We're electing to be passing it along.

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I hold the youth.

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Councilor Nure and Dear My Heart, but we've definitely hired someone to take this group and

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build it and do more wonderful things and build on the current success. So I'm going to

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turn over to her to let you guys know we're at today.

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Good evening, Mayor and council members. So in November we had 14 applicants join us for an introductory

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meeting and at that event. We had, we couldn't leave without having a project in mind.

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people with one night of planning and very

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litule advertising.

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We've already participated in a shop at the

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co-op last Saturday.

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We've judged holiday homes, and we're

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helping with the four Mayor Copacart

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Christmas Cardinal this Saturday.

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Before they were even appointed.

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So we have 14 applicants excited to make an

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impact in the community this year, and

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each of them bring a unique insight

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with them to the Youth Council.

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At this time, I wanted to do a couple of things here.

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If it's okay with Council, as there are 14 and two appointments per,

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if Council would accept the idea to move the slate,

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which would make it a little easier rather than us trying to each pick two.

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So that being said, prior to a motion,

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I did want to offer the opportunity for each applicant to please stand up and be recognized.

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And if you would remain standing until all of them have been called, I wanted to go ahead and read each person's name.

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So I wanted to start here with, oh sorry, let me rephrase that. I'll start one at a time.

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Caitlin Barnes, Caitlin, you hear? Excellent.

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Eden Castellanos,

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Samantha Corralis,

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Katanya Gijowski, if I butcher that I apologize,

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sorry,

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Courtney Finger,

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Evan Grace,

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Bianca Guzman,

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Alexandria Harris,

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Holingsworth,

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Natalia James,

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Alexis Luzano,

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Austin Pierce,

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Hi, Lani Pinion

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and Fiona Chepones and

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with that that makes up our current youth council.

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Can I have a motion to approve please?

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A motion on a second is any further discussion on the item?

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Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

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Motion carries.

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Congratulations.

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Yes, and we also wanted to do a picture with the council as well as the new youth council.

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So if you'd all join me down there please.

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Thank you.

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That takes us to item 10.2.

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Merry Council.

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Should we discuss the consequences? We take action to approve subdivision case numbers SUV 14-022. A request for

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a reply to existing dignity, medical campus flat. This is for discussion and action.

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Good evening, Mayor Council. We'll call you for the new council members. My name is Rudy Lopez, senior

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planner for the planned division here. Mayor and council members, I stated this is a request to

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and existing property in the city.

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It's actually where the America of Stations being built.

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To divide that into two different properties.

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The process of requirements or the application has met all this

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to the standards in terms of the vision plating.

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With that staff recommends that state and staff report to consider

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the application for approval.

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If there's any questions, staff will be happy to answer those.

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I would accept the motion to approve this.

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have a motion for the discussion on the action. Seeing none on favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Rudy. Item 10. Three. We're going to discuss some hospitality action on request by the purchasing manager approve expenditures exceeding 25,000.

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And produce the approved limits for fiscal year 2015 pursuit pursuant to the city purchasing code.

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Right, evening mayor members of Council.

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The item in for your consideration discussion in action today is to allow the city to purchase

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an aggregate over $25,000 for throughout the fiscal year.

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The purchasing code requires that if any expenditures in aggregate over 25,000 with any one

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we get Council's approval to be able to do that with the two items here.

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You'll see throughout the fiscal year there will be some vendors that we do bring to Council's

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in front of Council for approval.

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We do anticipate.

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We try to anticipate the best we can on purchases of repairs and maintenance,

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some tires and machinery equipment, the best we can.

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Sometimes things happen, and the expenditures need to go over the aggregate for a certain vendor,

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and so we will come back to Council throughout the fiscal year to be able to ask for an increase

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and be able to keep the operations for fleet or for any of the departments going.

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For instance, here for VIP auto, tire services fleet uses them a lot for tire services and non-warren

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services for our vehicles, and then also with the Arizona machinery company parks, maintenance

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and fleet and police, and use them a lot for different parts and purchases, and as we've

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gone through the fiscal year, we've come up to that $25,000 limited in aggregate for the

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vendor itself, so I'm asking for a council to their action on, being able to go above and

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beyond the 25,000, but not above 50,000.

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And if we do see, if there is an emergency or if

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to see the expenditures that may go above the 50,000,

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we will come back to Council and ask for Council

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to, for an increase, if need be.

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With that, any questions?

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Questions?

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Council?

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Yeah.

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In reading the agenda item, you didn't read the entire piece.

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Yes.

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No, I was wondering.

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Well, I just wanted to make sure that we're just talking about these these three.

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That's what I mean.

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It's opposed to a blanket.

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Okay.

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So from the standpoint of the cumulative annual purchase in excess of 25,000,

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there's on a machine and company,

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the idea, auto-pair service, the answer is that the death of the block council, so that would

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be the only approved method in which to go about that.

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Because it does go for the purchase agreement.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I have a motion and a second.

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I have a very further discussion.

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Seeing none.

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All in favor say aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Council, with your permission, I'd like to move item 10.5 next and go through that discussion

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and then save item 10.4 for the following item as we may need any session on that, and

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so we'll go ahead and do that.

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So let's move to item 10.5 first, the Mayor of City Council to hear presentations by Greg

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Schwartz from Piper, Jaffrey regarding the city's primary problem checks.

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I think we surprised.

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Sorry, Mr. Mayor, and Council is looking for Greg Swartz. He's our financial advisor

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with Piper Jaffrey. We contract with Piper Jaffrey to advise on certain things with that city

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operates with. And today, tonight, he is here to present on the primary property tax and how it

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talk about the 1% limit and how that affects everything going on.

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Thank you, Greg.

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Sorry.

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I know that this is a scary topic, but I think it's carry out the rooms.

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Yeah.

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Well, I just had to use the restroom, but got back here as quick as the process would allow.

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I'm going to try to, you know, keep this quick and brief tonight.

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For those of you who are really, you know, want to go through Arizona's tax system and understand it first, I feel sorry for you.

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And secondly, that is, it's important to understand certain nuances, but it's not important to understand every nuance.

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So with that said, the presentation that you have in front of you this evening,

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And I hope that I can convince you to take away essentially five major takeaways.

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The first of which is why I'm here tonight, the city of Maricopa is losing and will continue

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to lose voter authorized primary property taxes that were authorized by voters for public

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safety.

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So as the first takeaway, you are now and will continue to lose property tax revenues.

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And again, they were voter authorized and they're dedicated to public safety.

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The second takeaway is that Arizona's tax system has various limits, various restrictions.

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Some of those limits and restrictions conflict with one another.

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and cause unintended consequences, and Maricopa is one of several communities that falls into that column of unintended consequences.

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So there's a myriad of things that drive our property tax system, and it was never intended to have Maricopa or the other communities lose money.

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The third point, the number of local governments that are now or will be losing revenue in the future is growing every year.

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And then finally point number four is there's a narrow range of solutions, all of which has to include other local governments and the organization called the Arizona Tax Research Association,

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which, if you're familiar with the state capital,

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the state capital is, say, right here,

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and a quarter of a block away is the offices

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of the Arizona Tax Research Association.

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And so they have excellent access to the legislature

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and probably are considered to be the only credible source

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first in the legislative process for any discussion about property taxes.

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So right off the bat, Attra, as their known has to be included in any discussion.

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So what that said, I did have five agenda items tonight.

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Unless there's some compelling reason to, I won't go through Arizona's property tax system

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and great detail except to tell you nationwide it is considered the most complex.

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there are various state budget agencies affiliated with each state, and Arizona proudly wins the award

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so often when it's given for the most complex tax system in the U.S.

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And for some of us, Arizona's tax system is I consider it, as well as others, to be not only

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confusing, but in some respects, deliberately misleading when compared to other states.

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As one example, I don't know how many times you've experienced it, but I've experienced it quite a bit

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at city council meetings, I'll get somebody from Michigan.

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Just moved here, looks at their tax rate and sees that it's $10 in the decimal point and then $10.1234.

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So, on this side of the decimal point, it's huge. What they don't understand, that person from Michigan is used to seeing a property tax that is zero on one side of the decimal and only four decimals.

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Arizona's taxable values are three digits for most homeowners.

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If you have a hundred thousand dollar home,

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it translates into a hundred dollars of taxable value.

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So our tax rates are large, but our taxable values are small.

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The end result is that we're still in the bottom 25 percent

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for property tax impacts in the U.S.

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So that the system is deliberately, I'll strike that word.

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The system is complex, needlessly so, and creates need-jerk reactions by people who look

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at the rates and think they're going to be paying 10 times more than what they were

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in Michigan, as an example.

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And again, unless there is a desire for more detail, what I would like to zero in on is

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the agenda item called the 1% limit, because at the end of the day there are many nuances

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is that impact why Maricopa is losing revenue, but this is the primary one.

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So I'm going to skip through some of this other stuff unless again, you can email me.

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I could be more than happy to do a presentation at some other time, but this system is,

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like I said, you really have to be a glutton for punishment to want to understand it.

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So let's skip right to the bottom line, the 1% limit, the 1% limit is embedded in the Arizona Constitution.

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It essentially says homeowners are limited in the amount of primary property taxes they pay.

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There's two property taxes, a primary and a secondary.

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Primary property taxes are used for operations.

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The homeowners are limited to paying 1% of the value of their homes.

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So if that home, again, we said it was worth a hundred thousand dollars,

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They're limited to paying $1,000 in primary property taxes to the city, to the county, to the community college and the school.

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So, some total to all four, it cannot exceed $1,000 in that example.

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That equates to a $10 rate.

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So, when the combined rate for all primary property taxes for the county, for the community college, for the city,

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in the school district exceed $10 than the state steps in and does a number of things to reduce that burden.

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All right. Without going into great detail, the 1% limit is partially offset by one thing that continues and one thing that used to be appropriated but no longer is.

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The one thing that continues is called state aid

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for education.

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The state steps in and pays 44% of every school district

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primary property tax rate.

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So if a school district has a rate of $10,

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the state pays 44% of that.

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So the state funds that.

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That state aid for education or SAE

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00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,500
has the practical effect of limiting the number of communities

456
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,460
over $10, where the combined rate is over $10,

457
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:39,980
They used to appropriate what was known as additional state aid for education and they haven't for several years.

458
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:49,340
The additional state aid for education was limited to those communities where even after SAE, the rates were above $10.

459
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:57,140
They would step in on select school districts and reduce their rates even further so that

460
00:38:57,140 --> 00:39:00,040
Maricopa and other communities wouldn't lose revenue.

461
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,520
They have not appropriated the state is not

462
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,900
appropriated additional state aid

463
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,660
for education for several years.

464
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,220
Presently, there is no authority for the county

465
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:12,500
or the state to reduce your rates.

466
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:14,520
Your rates were voter authorized.

467
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,420
Your levy was voter authorized.

468
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,820
They have no authority to reduce your rates

469
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,180
and they have no authority to reduce your revenues.

470
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:24,420
It's just a vacuum in statutes

471
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:30,000
because of all those conflicting restrictions and limits, unintended consequence.

472
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:34,800
So the bottom line is the state has already acknowledged

473
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,760
that it has no authority to touch your rates.

474
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,300
The county has already recognized and acknowledged it has no authority to do so,

475
00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:48,440
but they really don't have a choice because the Constitution says

476
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,740
homeowners are limited to 1%.

477
00:39:52,780 --> 00:40:00,000
So, with that said, before I jump into the impact across Arizona, is there any questions?

478
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,420
Essentially, the 1% limited, again, is directed at homeowners. They pay 1% of the value of their home,

479
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:17,480
a home worth 100,000 pay a thousand dollars total a year. And when the combined tax rate exceeds that, then you start having problems.

480
00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:25,180
All right. Unless there's any questions about that, I'm going to go right into the impact across Arizona.

481
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:32,340
The slide I hope you're looking at right now says jurisdictions with combined rates above 10.

482
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,660
And this is before state aid for education.

483
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:43,540
So what this list shows you is the number of communities that are getting close to the point that they're losing revenue,

484
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,280
but aren't losing revenue right now.

485
00:40:46,820 --> 00:40:52,160
Okay? So this is the entire universe of potential problems out there.

486
00:40:52,160 --> 00:41:01,940
So in 2010 we had roughly 12 cities and 2015 we have 31 cities where the combined tax rate exceeds $10.

487
00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:12,840
And why is this important? State aid for education or SAE is a policy choice. The legislature makes a policy choice.

488
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:19,320
If they want it to be 44% of the school district rate, then it's 44% that's state aid for education.

489
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,060
they want it to be 20%, it can be 20%.

490
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:29,500
So if they reduce state aid for education from 44%

491
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:34,280
to anything less than that, this is the universe of communities

492
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,360
that will be added to the list that are losing revenue.

493
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:43,800
So this problem, if you look at community or counties,

494
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,400
it's gone from eight counties to 12 counties in five years.

495
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:54,360
If you look at the number of school districts where the area is impacted, it has gone from 25 to 85.

496
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:58,540
If you look at the number of incorporated areas, it's gone from 15 to 56.

497
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:04,360
I'll explain why it's growing geometrically in a minute.

498
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:16,640
But first, before doing so, the next slide shows you that of that subset of communities that have rates above $10 before the state steps in.

499
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:23,240
Here's that subset of communities that still have rates above $10 even after state aid

500
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:23,960
for education.

501
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:28,520
So in 2010 it was six cities and five years later it's 12.

502
00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:31,600
It was two counties and now it's five counties.

503
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:41,580
And again I'd like to emphasize that the 44% state aid for education is the only reason why

504
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:46,140
the number of communities on here isn't doubled, isn't tripled, isn't quadrupled.

505
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:52,840
At 44%, you get to 43%, Phoenix gets added to this list.

506
00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:57,780
You go to 42%, well, a number of communities just grows.

507
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Every time you drop state aid for education, why is that a concern?

508
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:04,760
We have a structural deficit at the state level.

509
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:08,280
We have a court order that school districts are to get more money.

510
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:18,380
So this may be up, you know, the 44% again is not constitutional, it's simply a policy choice

511
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:19,720
made in the budget each year.

512
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:26,240
So this list of those who are losing revenue right now is likely to grow.

513
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:35,910
And the reason why it's growing is, from my perspective, based on the data that I analyze,

514
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:43,410
And it's interesting, I have a very good relationship with the Arizona Tax Research Association.

515
00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:50,930
They know I know this, and so occasionally I'll find a head of a horse in my bed from the Godfather movie.

516
00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:58,370
And then the director of the Joint Legislative Budget Committee for the Legislature lives across the street.

517
00:43:58,370 --> 00:44:06,450
and he and I, we see a big tidal wave of problems, and why is the problem growing?

518
00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:14,650
The way the pie gets allocated, who pays how much of your levy, so if your levy is a million

519
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:19,690
dollars, there's a certain allocation formula to how much businesses pay and how much

520
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:27,150
residents pay. Business properties are paying less now than they did in 2006 because

521
00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:35,270
the assessment ratio, part of that nuanced formula has decreased from 25% to 10% or 18%.

522
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:41,730
So if a commercial property was worth a million dollars, it's assessed value was 250,000.

523
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:42,850
So that's what that's saying.

524
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:48,470
And then agricultural properties, their assessment ratio is decreasing as well.

525
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:55,630
What that means to you is if their share of the pie goes down, in other words, they pay

526
00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:59,670
less taxes, that means it gets shifted to residential properties.

527
00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:10,180
So, your problem is growing in large part, not exclusively, but in large part because of the change, but the legislature did to the assessment ratios.

528
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:17,180
A second thing that will cause this problem to grow is that there is now a limit to property value growth.

529
00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:23,540
There used to be this bizarre formula that your secondary value and your primary value of each

530
00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:29,900
property could increase at different rates. All of that has gone. Now each piece of property

531
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:36,680
can only increase by 5% naturally each year. So that's going to have a practical limitation

532
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,940
on your ability to grow your way out of this problem. And then finally new construction is only

533
00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:45,300
going to relieve this problem in the short term.

534
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:48,620
It depends on your mix of residential and non-resonential property.

535
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:52,140
And again, it will not resolve this problem in the long term,

536
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:58,960
based on the analytics that we're looking at that we share with the state.

537
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:04,520
It's difficult to estimate lost revenues to the city of Maricopa,

538
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,260
because essentially the property tax system in Arizona

539
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:17,160
for the year doesn't become set until August of each year, but presently within this year

540
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:23,060
within your boundaries, the amount of revenue you're losing depends on how much homeowner

541
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:29,260
property, residential properties, as a percent of your total property, how much that state aid

542
00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:35,840
for education is stepping in to reduce the merit-copy unified school district rate, and then the limit

543
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:43,660
Another bizarre limit that the state aid for education can only benefit up to $600 per residential property.

544
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,660
This is bizarre, I know.

545
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:53,060
This is why Arizona gets the most complex property tax system award.

546
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,220
We may be 51, including Puerto Rico.

547
00:46:56,340 --> 00:47:01,660
We may be 51 on many less, but we're number one when it comes to complexity of our tax systems.

548
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:11,200
We're estimating, and I would defer to Brian to provide a better estimate that your annual

549
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,720
losses now could range from 750,000 to 1.5 million.

550
00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:25,060
Again, that is voter authorized primary property taxes, which the voter's authorized to

551
00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:26,640
be dedicated to public safety.

552
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:33,560
So, this is not a circumstance where this could be considered the fat of government.

553
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:36,240
This is the bones of your government right here.

554
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:44,470
Potential solutions, the state aid for education could increase.

555
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:51,310
I don't think that's likely based on the amount of beer my neighbor is drinking, the director

556
00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:52,810
of joint legislative budget committee.

557
00:47:53,070 --> 00:47:56,410
He seems pretty, pretty worried.

558
00:47:56,410 --> 00:48:05,410
The state's structural deficit in that school, the legal decision about school funding, makes

559
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:08,450
addition of state aid for education any increase unlikely.

560
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:12,350
We'll be lucky if we can hold it at 44%.

561
00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:15,710
Additional state aid appropriations unlikely.

562
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:18,550
They haven't been appropriated for several years.

563
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:20,530
Legal action.

564
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:21,570
That's possible.

565
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:27,910
But I personally don't recommend it and here's why.

566
00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:34,170
The Arizona Tax Research Association, being a quarter block away from the legislature,

567
00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:39,250
has the ability to affect policy here better than anybody in Arizona.

568
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:47,270
In the 2006, they did something to the property tax system,

569
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:52,170
were essentially communities got to levy.

570
00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:54,210
They got to generate revenue based on what

571
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:59,550
their 1979 levy was with 2% increases annually

572
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:00,750
from that point on.

573
00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:03,030
And you didn't have to tax up to the maximum.

574
00:49:03,330 --> 00:49:04,910
You could just bank that authority.

575
00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:07,270
They took that authority away.

576
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:11,330
And the 2006 legislature essentially said,

577
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:15,130
whatever your levy was in 2005 is now your new base.

578
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:21,250
were getting rid of 1979. Flagstaff as an example could have been taxing at a much higher rate,

579
00:49:21,310 --> 00:49:27,930
much higher revenue, and was roughly 60% of that. They lost 40% of their tax space. They

580
00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:33,430
went and pursued legal action and got nowhere with it. There were several communities

581
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:39,510
that were affected by that, including Phoenix Scottsdale. So the point is legal action.

582
00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:43,350
It

583
00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:44,570
It's not advisable.

584
00:49:46,290 --> 00:49:50,810
There is, among other potential solutions, there is this concept of override.

585
00:49:52,070 --> 00:49:58,390
As an example, the Maricopa Unified School District has the Constitutional and statutory

586
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:59,990
authority to go to-

587
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:11,540
The voters asked for a budget override, where it can get additional property taxes paid from the secondary property tax and not the primary property tax.

588
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:23,380
Sorry that Arizona system is so convoluted, but you essentially shift the burden from a primary, which has limits and restrictions on to a secondary that doesn't have any limits and restrictions.

589
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:30,240
Penal county has constitutional and statutory authority to seek an override from voters.

590
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,940
The community college districts have authority both constitutionally and statutorily

591
00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:36,920
to seek an override.

592
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:43,560
The only form of government that does not have the authority to seek overrides our cities

593
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,180
and towns.

594
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:51,400
The constitution says you can, but the constitution says if as directed in statute.

595
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,140
So, Constitution says, yes, statutes are silent, you have no authority.

596
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:05,340
So that is one potential solution, a solution that is exercise quite frequently by in particular schools, less so counties.

597
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:15,280
And for my perspective, the optimal solution is there ought to be some sort of automatic override for communities like Maricopa.

598
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:23,440
And there are some other options that have been considered like changing the way state-shared revenues are allocated.

599
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:28,860
But that involves, you know, getting in a fist fight with Phoenix and Scottsdale.

600
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:32,280
So while likely you just got to keep that in mind.

601
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:55,900
So hate to some so negative but the bottom line is there are solutions and you'd have to pursue them in alongside other municipalities that list of municipalities that either has the problem now or will in the new future is getting is growing.

602
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:57,840
So you're not alone.

603
00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:04,990
And again, if you want to learn more about the nuances one, I feel sorry for you.

604
00:52:05,370 --> 00:52:09,410
And then secondly, I can do so via email, I can do so via phone call.

605
00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:17,810
But the bottom line is the 1% limit and all the other nuances impose this burden upon you.

606
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:27,610
There is no statutory authority for anybody to reduce your rates, but it's done so just to

607
00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:28,910
Thank you.

608
00:52:32,490 --> 00:52:33,010
Great.

609
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:34,490
Can you have two questions?

610
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:36,070
Matter of fact, if you will.

611
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:39,610
The first question is, why is this state, and so we're

612
00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:42,970
reluctant to have a tip as opposed to other states?

613
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:45,130
We're the only state we're called a tip.

614
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:47,730
And attacks increment financing.

615
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:53,250
There are a few communities in Arizona,

616
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:57,690
in a caustic round, a poxy junction and a Tucson and a couple of others that still have the

617
00:52:57,690 --> 00:53:01,450
grandfather right to do essentially a tax increment financing.

618
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:09,390
We are the only state, and for that matter, a Puerto Rico and the other US territories have

619
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:09,930
tips too.

620
00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:15,270
So we're actually, there's more, more entities other than just states, if that's worth it

621
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:15,570
to you.

622
00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:22,110
I don't know why we don't have it, but I do know that at the end of the day there are ways

623
00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:28,590
around that, if you truly want, it tiff is viewed as a tool for economic development.

624
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:38,230
And there are other tools that if you use them with the same objective in mind, you can

625
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:45,890
get to the same outcome. An example is a community facility district, where there is some

626
00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:51,930
of that tiff-like activity going on. As an example, we represent the city of Scottsdale,

627
00:53:51,930 --> 00:53:57,670
only used a community facility district to do the waterfront project, which was several million

628
00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:05,130
dollar project. So it's tiff like, but not exactly like tiff. I can tell you that historically,

629
00:54:05,970 --> 00:54:15,970
the legislature has felt that that got too far into the gray area of the constitutional

630
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:22,110
prohibition about gifts from local governments to private entities.

631
00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:28,990
The next one, I guess, is not a question, it's an observation.

632
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:36,900
I'm sure you know, as well known in the State of Economist,

633
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,520
by a variety of spoke to the panel of partnership and your presentation.

634
00:54:42,220 --> 00:54:47,120
And every year, he seems to tell the fact that there's more rooftops,

635
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:54,820
More housing, air goal, greater economic growth, and that seems to fly in the face of the

636
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:59,940
property tax in which you've presented here in terms of what the state does for us.

637
00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:29,680
There was a time when a primary industry in Arizona was growth itself. Growth was a primary industry. But to use terms that you probably all familiar with, rooftops are a cost center and businesses are a profit center for municipalities.

638
00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:36,640
So, you break even, I'm sure, I mean, I have to have to talk to Brian to look at your budget.

639
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:42,760
But if it weren't for sales taxes, exercise taxes, transaction, privilege taxes,

640
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,220
it would be very difficult to run a government in Arizona.

641
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:54,380
So, in terms of economic growth, roof tops by themselves,

642
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:59,700
and less followed by employment opportunities are just that

643
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:00,780
cautioners.

644
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,220
Absolutely.

645
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:02,500
Thank you.

646
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:04,600
Other questions, Councillor.

647
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:13,260
I wanted to follow up on one question regarding the amount of revenues that the city

648
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:14,100
would receive.

649
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,840
If a home is built here in Miracopa in that assessed value is at

650
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:25,900
$100,000, what is the amount of property tax money for our primary property taxes

651
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:29,840
that the city would receive based upon our current tax structure.

652
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,280
All right, so just to make it quick, $100,000 home through this bizarre formula

653
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,380
against $100 taxable value.

654
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,720
So, Maricopa's rate is presently 4.98.

655
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:52,160
That's the voter authorized permissible rate based on a levy authorized by voters in 2005.

656
00:56:54,100 --> 00:57:05,880
My estimate is that, presently, you're not getting because of this 1% limit anywhere from 15% to 20% of that rate.

657
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:14,900
It exceeds in combination with the county, the school, and the college, it exceeds the 1% limit.

658
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:21,360
So you're losing revenue because homeowners are limited to paying just 1% of the value of their homes.

659
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:31,180
So, we've estimated it, and when you add all that up, it ranges between 750 to 1.5 million.

660
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:34,080
And again, it depends on a number of factors.

661
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:42,260
But, you know, with more precise data that the department of Arizona Department revenue should have come out with by now,

662
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:49,220
but hasn't, we could tell you precisely what the allocation of residential versus non-residential properties are.

663
00:57:49,220 --> 00:57:53,260
and can fairly definitively tell you what your loss is,

664
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,760
what Pennell County's loss is, and what community

665
00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:59,500
the Central Arizona community college losses.

666
00:58:02,380 --> 00:58:03,500
Yes, I'm sure I do.

667
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:08,360
Because I'm not really smart,

668
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:10,240
so I just want to try to find the answer to something.

669
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:17,520
So what do you see as the benefit of this discussion here

670
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,420
with us this evening?

671
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:21,560
What do you want us to leave here with?

672
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:30,280
Okay, I guess the takeaway first and foremost, this was a voter authorized tax dedicated

673
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,200
public safety.

674
00:58:34,310 --> 00:58:39,810
Given the nuances of Arizona's tax system, there's an unintended consequence where

675
00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:45,150
you're not collecting the amount of revenue that the voter's authorized.

676
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:54,560
The third point is you need to be part of the conversation to

677
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,320
be part of the solution.

678
00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:08,760
If you don't engage in particular, the Arizona Tax Research Association, they will come up with a remedy,

679
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,100
not unlike what they did.

680
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:14,160
And I do mean they did it.

681
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:14,740
That's okay.

682
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:20,240
Everybody knows they did it in 2006, where they lowered the levy.

683
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:21,960
It was based on 1979.

684
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:28,040
You got whatever you raised plus 2% since then and you didn't have to set your levy at the maximum.

685
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:34,400
Flagstaff lost 40% of its tax base, Scott Stail lost 15%.

686
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,760
So you, they know this is a problem, they know you know what's a problem.

687
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,960
You need to engage them as well as the other communities.

688
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:52,200
And again, you go from 44% state aid for education down to say 43 or 42%

689
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,800
Phoenix is on the same list you are.

690
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,920
Thank you.

691
01:00:01,330 --> 01:00:19,770
One is, I'd requested that that great comment and brief on this issue, because it really is a precursor to the budget discussions that we will get into a very soon and wanted to be clear as to why we struggle with what some of our revenue streams.

692
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:27,450
In particular, though, I think that there has to be an effort to change the laws that are

693
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:30,810
in place that appear at least to be anti-growth.

694
01:00:31,690 --> 01:00:38,110
And the impact that that has a miracle in particular is that it does not provide us with

695
01:00:38,110 --> 01:00:44,530
the revenue stream sufficient to provide the services that are required to support those

696
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:50,930
either in public safety, or in recreation, and so that's one of the issues.

697
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:59,010
If we're not successful in getting the laws changed, that just as that we have an increased

698
01:01:00,270 --> 01:01:07,070
need to diversify our economy, we can't simply be continue to be a bedroom community and

699
01:01:07,070 --> 01:01:07,750
be sustainable.

700
01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:11,410
Thank you.

701
01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:12,630
Anyone else?

702
01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:14,290
Thank you very much.

703
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:14,990
Very informative.

704
01:01:15,610 --> 01:01:16,750
I appreciate it.

705
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:19,510
I could please item 10.5.

706
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:21,430
That will take us back to item 10.4.

707
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:24,350
Mayor and City Council have discussed the positive action on improving recommendations.

708
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:28,790
Made by the Transportation Advisory Committee regarding the East West Parkway corridor study.

709
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:31,150
I do have two speaker cards for that.

710
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:37,530
However, I will invite staff up to speak first and then we will turn the time over after they speak to

711
01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:38,510
Thank

712
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:51,560
you very much, good evening Mayor, council members, pleasure to follow up on the work session item with this agenda item.

713
01:01:52,040 --> 01:02:03,800
Basically what you heard in the work session was the high level down to some of the minutia and how we arrived at the current proposed alignment for the east west corridor, which you see there before you and green.

714
01:02:05,260 --> 01:02:32,960
As mentioned by Burwen in this presentation in subject, I think, of your report and this evening's meeting is to get direction on two particular items for this corridor, which is the white and parker road in interchange, with the proposed alignment for the east west corridor, as well as the interchange or the intersection at 347.

715
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:54,160
So with that, staff is recommending or similar to the tech or very similar to the tech advisory committee recommending this quarter be approved by the city council tonight and what that means is that it basically allows it's not putting this in place permanently it allows us to move forward to the next step of the

716
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:59,100
study, basically to go further, and this is generally the alignment we want, let's start

717
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:00,000
looking at some nuances.

718
01:03:00,660 --> 01:03:06,260
We acknowledge that the white and parker has burwen presented the white and parker interchange

719
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:14,780
in intersection and how you see the roadway, the alignment, varying into the eagle shadow

720
01:03:14,780 --> 01:03:20,020
property to make its approach to cross the current, the current, the current, the current

721
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:24,960
away. That interchange can move around, as he had in his exhibit showing the dash lines.

722
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:33,120
So all of this said, there is a lot more work to do on the project, your acknowledgement

723
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,480
and approval. Tonight is essentially saying yes, this is generally the corridor that we

724
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:46,980
would like to see continued for the study. And that's it. With this recommendation for approval,

725
01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:52,720
We'd also ask that you provide some direction to staff to continue to work with the developer

726
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:59,300
of the Eagle Shadow property to further refine the concept in an effort to create an acceptable

727
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:04,280
parcel configuration for the land located between the East West corridor proposed alignment

728
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,280
in the existing Mercupacasa Grande alignment is brewing presented right now.

729
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:11,860
We just have a kind of an awkward parcel that's created.

730
01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:16,120
It might not be the best solution for the development of that parcel.

731
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,120
In the property owner, again, that doesn't really matter to staff.

732
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:26,780
We'd prefer that the owner and developer look at that and tell us kind of how they would

733
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:30,780
like to see that parcel configured, given that it really doesn't have any traffic impacts.

734
01:04:30,940 --> 01:04:35,920
We'll still review and have traffic engineering and other engineering to review the final

735
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,140
alignment that's determined, but we'd like to keep that option open to just to continue

736
01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:46,140
to refine that how these was corridor encroaches into their property.

737
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,260
They have a degree that yes, it's going to do this.

738
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,620
This is just maybe not the best geometric parcel or shape,

739
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:54,160
and we could continue with that discussion.

740
01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:57,900
It really doesn't have any impact from the beginning of our planning area

741
01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:59,940
to that terminus that's currently shown on 344.

742
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,100
37, it's just how exactly would that be configured and in my conversations with the property owner that is amenable.

743
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:16,220
So that said, the recommendation would also include some direction to staff to continue to work with the property owner to design.

744
01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:21,920
The property owner's design team to coordinate the future roadway intersection designs and alignments affecting the property.

745
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,700
That's obviously a very sincere to continue to offer information.

746
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:32,020
I probably won't be able to offer too much detailed information on the design and history of this project,

747
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,480
but I'd be happy to answer any questions.

748
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:35,980
Okay. Council, do you have a meeting of questions?

749
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:41,120
And if not, then we'll move to the two speaker cards,

750
01:05:41,220 --> 01:05:43,380
and then we'll probably call you all back up for questions.

751
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:45,980
So Scott Cole and Seth Keeler.

752
01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:50,860
Good evening.

753
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,240
Mayor Price and members of the Council.

754
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,260
My name is Seth Keeler.

755
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,080
My address is 1-1-2-1, West Warner Road.

756
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,060
Sweet 1-0-9, 10-years-on-a-8-5-2-8-4,

757
01:06:00,140 --> 01:06:01,180
and I'm with W Holdings.

758
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,100
And I am the property ownership group

759
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:07,840
that is just east of the Action Casino.

760
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:12,460
I submitted a letter of opposition that was read

761
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:14,360
in last council hearing.

762
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:15,660
I appreciate you doing that.

763
01:06:15,780 --> 01:06:18,100
And at the Florida Smortime, then to visit with staff.

764
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:20,280
We met December 3rd with staff.

765
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,780
And we were able to go through the concerns,

766
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,840
we are still not in favor of having our property

767
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:36,080
cut in half with the proposed ending that Erwin had presented as well as what Dana just

768
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:36,840
talked about.

769
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:44,140
When I asked staff, who's the driver behind this rerout, I was told that it was action.

770
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:47,100
They want to have it between the casino and also their entertainment complex.

771
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:55,840
I asked them more about this potential road that could go west of the 347 and staff informed

772
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,680
me that action is not committed to anything.

773
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,600
There's no guarantee that it would even go west.

774
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,880
That's kind of a concern to us.

775
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:12,000
We feel like essentially we're the sacrificial lamb for an idea that may never come to pass.

776
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,000
The concerns that we have with this road bisecting our property,

777
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,360
we own the commercial piece, as well as the transitional piece that's right behind it.

778
01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:27,360
It creates a very difficult to develop triangular parcel with the transitional piece.

779
01:07:27,620 --> 01:07:34,340
In fact, if you look closely, the Feral family owned two out parcels along Feral,

780
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:40,240
we would be left with a triangular parcel that would have these two out parcels within it.

781
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:45,240
even more limiting our development area on that back end parcel.

782
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:52,540
Staff mentioned to me that this is actually a pretty good idea because you end up with two commercial

783
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:54,460
parcels instead of one.

784
01:07:55,080 --> 01:08:00,740
I looked into the framework of this parkway and the concerns that we have as was mentioned by

785
01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:03,560
Irwin, this parkway's design is for efficiency.

786
01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:07,340
You want to get as much traffic without any impediments on there as you can.

787
01:08:07,340 --> 01:08:16,620
What that translates into for property like myself, if I'm traveling on this parkway and I want to get to the property to the south, I can't do it.

788
01:08:16,900 --> 01:08:20,460
If I'm traveling east and I want to get to the property of the north, I can't do it.

789
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,500
It is a restrictive parkway.

790
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,140
So I don't see this as a win for us.

791
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:29,540
I see this as more of a detriment to us.

792
01:08:29,540 --> 01:08:35,100
In the meeting with staff, I was told that, yeah, we do have a reason on PAD and we do have a development agreement,

793
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:39,220
but because we're not at final plat, we're not vested.

794
01:08:40,020 --> 01:08:44,060
So I read our development agreement and it does say that if we give the approval on the

795
01:08:44,060 --> 01:08:51,040
reason that our development is vested, so we do have a vested property right adjacent to the

796
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,640
action casino, it's not just farmland that we're talking about.

797
01:08:57,550 --> 01:09:01,850
We are proponents of this principle of the East-West corridor.

798
01:09:03,630 --> 01:09:06,610
Part of me is frustrated because I don't want to be the rain on anybody's parade,

799
01:09:06,910 --> 01:09:11,890
but I do see great challenges with what's being proposed by staff.

800
01:09:13,390 --> 01:09:18,330
We have looked at a potential alternative concept.

801
01:09:18,670 --> 01:09:21,410
Do I permission to show up a map to members of the council?

802
01:09:34,980 --> 01:09:38,040
I do have an extra one there. There should be an extra.

803
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:38,600
perfect.

804
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:48,110
On this exhibit, you'll see that if you keep the Parkway on

805
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:54,130
Feral and you may enter that road after the Action Casino Entertainment

806
01:09:54,130 --> 01:09:58,770
Complex, you can still get to that alignment that was proposed by the

807
01:09:58,770 --> 01:09:59,110
community.

808
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:10,700
If, in fact, the action you come forward and want to do that, there is an option to continue that roadway west and it ends up being to where we don't end up having our property split.

809
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:20,340
Those are the major points I was hoping to cover tonight. I appreciate the opportunity to do so. I can answer any questions at this time if you have any.

810
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:22,340
Thank you very much.

811
01:10:22,540 --> 01:10:24,780
Seth, any questions for Seth at the moment?

812
01:10:26,260 --> 01:10:29,360
Not hang tight because we'll probably have someone as we continue the discussion.

813
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,440
Okay, thank you.

814
01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:31,880
Thank you, Seth. Scott?

815
01:10:39,230 --> 01:10:40,810
Good evening, Marin Council.

816
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:42,170
My name is Scott Cole.

817
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:47,250
I represent Heartman Ranch, Master Plan Community on Anderson,

818
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:49,210
North of the Maricopa County.

819
01:10:50,590 --> 01:11:01,850
and Santa Cruz Ranch Master Plan Community on the Anderson South of the Maricopa Canis Grand Highway in the city's planning area.

820
01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:08,110
Last time Council took up this item, I spoke, and I had two concerns.

821
01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:16,990
The first concern was for the Hartman Ranch property, and it dealt with the alternate

822
01:11:16,990 --> 01:11:21,550
route in the area of Anderson and Petersen-Nall.

823
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:32,750
Since that last council meeting where I spoke, I've had discussions and met with staff and

824
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:36,130
was staff recommendation to eliminate that route

825
01:11:36,130 --> 01:11:40,490
from the map that you're potentially approving tonight.

826
01:11:41,490 --> 01:11:44,970
My concern is resolved, and I'm in favor

827
01:11:44,970 --> 01:11:50,010
of staff recommendation and action tonight.

828
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:54,830
And I sincerely appreciate and want to thank

829
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:59,230
Dana and staff for factoring in our concerns

830
01:11:59,230 --> 01:12:01,530
and working with it on it.

831
01:12:01,530 --> 01:12:09,670
The second item I brought up at the last meeting that dealt with this was dealt with the

832
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:18,870
Valvista and Anderson Parkways, South of the Maricopa Cascround Highway, which affect the Santa Cruz Ranch development.

833
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:28,550
Now that's not technically on the agenda tonight, but since I mentioned it at the last council meeting, I was at, I thought I'd just update you.

834
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:39,670
Since that time, City Manager Rose has agreed to set up a meeting with us to discuss our concerns.

835
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:52,710
And so again, we're sincerely very appreciative of the City Manager agreeing to discuss our concerns with that.

836
01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:55,670
And I look forward to doing that in the future.

837
01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:56,850
Thank you.

838
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:07,150
I guess I would ask, I mean, speaking to Seth's comments,

839
01:13:09,610 --> 01:13:10,530
Dana, would you like to come

840
01:13:10,530 --> 01:13:19,000
up and answer any of those things at this time as best you can or,

841
01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:23,310
yes, mayor, council members,

842
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:29,710
my understanding that with regards to the vested rights and the rights for that property

843
01:13:29,710 --> 01:13:34,970
or largely dependent on the development agreement, pre-enactation development agreement, that

844
01:13:34,970 --> 01:13:43,610
was adopted when that, obviously prior to that property being annexed into the city.

845
01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:49,750
Anyway, my no legal staff has taken a close look at what the effectiveness of that development

846
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:55,350
agreement is. Is this a question that you'd prefer to hear?

847
01:13:55,790 --> 01:14:02,090
Yeah, I mean, I guess I was just looking for help on the comments outlined by Seth as far

848
01:14:02,090 --> 01:14:05,790
you know, the swoop down and how it cuts his property and half, et cetera.

849
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:16,050
And, you know, I guess Council, I would look to legal here, but as we're talking about alignments,

850
01:14:17,170 --> 01:14:22,230
I personally would like to possibly go to East Session to discuss this with Council,

851
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:25,970
a little further, especially considering we have some new members of Council,

852
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:29,950
but look for your support on that or your ideas on that.

853
01:14:43,370 --> 01:14:50,310
So, Council on anything, Council on the Chappeters.

854
01:14:51,170 --> 01:14:57,070
So, I'm clear, is the major objection to the alignment continuing down for our road,

855
01:14:57,090 --> 01:14:58,350
must the cultural issue?

856
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,810
That's what's been conveyed to myself. Perhaps Paul or I wasn't out of involved in the discussion on how that movement was created.

857
01:15:11,150 --> 01:15:29,130
I was on my way to shed some white on that issue. The reason that the alignment deviated from a fairer road has to do with what is the best route for getting over to Wallston, as I understand it.

858
01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:34,530
And our communication with the oxygen community

859
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:42,510
indicated clearly that the extension of the parkway across

860
01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:46,770
fear, across the property, simply was never going to occur.

861
01:15:47,650 --> 01:15:49,850
And so the alignment that is being proposed

862
01:15:50,410 --> 01:15:55,210
where we do not have an agreement with oxygen at this point.

863
01:15:55,650 --> 01:15:58,390
They did seem favorable towards that alignment

864
01:15:58,390 --> 01:16:02,710
in our discussions in our intergovernmental policy.

865
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:06,810
Can you fight one a comment on that as well?

866
01:16:07,210 --> 01:16:08,510
Mr. Mayor, members of Council.

867
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:13,210
In discussions with the auction with Jerry Owens,

868
01:16:14,050 --> 01:16:17,150
he did reveal to me that they've had a transportation plan

869
01:16:17,150 --> 01:16:19,510
for 10 years that showed that quarter mile alignment

870
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:20,330
south of Farrell.

871
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:23,210
It was not released publicly.

872
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:25,510
We didn't find out about it until this East West

873
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:32,570
quarter study came about, and that's when they asked for consideration to, to bend that,

874
01:16:32,770 --> 01:16:36,910
to connect with what road they had on the drawing board for 10 years.

875
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:40,390
And so it just seemed to work out.

876
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:46,850
We had never even hoped that this study would allow a quarter to go all the way through,

877
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:55,430
at least while we don't have any guarantees with this adaption, there's the possibility, a decent

878
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:59,710
possibility that we will be able to go to a Ralph Ballston. If we go straight through the

879
01:16:59,710 --> 01:17:02,430
ferrell, as the commander says, he'll never happen.

880
01:17:07,580 --> 01:17:13,080
Any other questions on the alignments there? If not, can I have a motion move? Do you session

881
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:13,540
please?

882
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:21,440
have a motion and a second, sorry for the discussion, not all of every say aye, aye, we'll

883
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:22,260
return shortly.

884
01:19:16,100 --> 01:19:22,120
Mr. Kayla, and looking at this alignment and the proposed concept that's on there, in

885
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:29,840
terms of development, are we talking about retail, commercial, a number of different types

886
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:36,540
of entities going in there, and does that result in your concern being access from

887
01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:39,740
North and South points, or Eastern West as well.

888
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,280
I'm going to chop it off.

889
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:48,780
The use is that our plan, there's two components to this site.

890
01:19:49,300 --> 01:19:53,200
The first one is the retail component, which is the one closest to the 347.

891
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,220
The other component is the transitional zoning piece.

892
01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:58,720
That's a 64 acre parcel that's behind that.

893
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,980
The concern that I have regarding access relates to the East West corridor, getting on to if this were to be

894
01:20:06,980 --> 01:20:12,780
bisected, getting to the north or getting to the south of those two pieces that are commercial.

895
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,560
And is there anything specific plan for that transitional acreage?

896
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:24,360
We do not have a site plan on that parcel like we do for the commercial parcel.

897
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:30,380
Okay, and by we, W. Holdings is the entity that's developing this. Do you own this property?

898
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,600
Are you representing somebody else? I'm not quite sure I understand.

899
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:37,140
Okay, so there are two pieces of property here.

900
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,080
We have an investor that owns the property.

901
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,700
We have an agreement with Vestar.

902
01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:46,860
We've done several of these concepts with Vestar throughout the valley.

903
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,460
We come forward with the land. They come forward with the development.

904
01:20:50,460 --> 01:20:59,980
And then we give them a discount at the beginning of the deal and then we are shared with the profit on the back end of the deal.

905
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:06,880
So Vestar on that front parcel is motivated to be a partner with this because they got such a good deal going into this.

906
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,340
And then we're motivated to keep in the deal because then we get to ride the profit on the back side of the development.

907
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:18,200
That's how it works just a simple model, and we've done this in Gilbert, the Crossroads,

908
01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:23,140
in Quink Creek, we did Marketplace, and Tucson, we did the Oral Valley.

909
01:21:23,980 --> 01:21:29,480
Our hurdle was when the market collapsed, then a piece like this, it just didn't make sense

910
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:30,080
to move forward.

911
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:33,180
So it's on, it's waiting for the market to recover.

912
01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:38,140
Okay, so just so I make sure I understand we're trying about three entities involved in this

913
01:21:38,140 --> 01:21:41,460
potential project, an investor, W. Holdings, and Vester?

914
01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:47,840
There are W. Holdings, which I represent. There's Vester, which is the developer.

915
01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:56,460
And there's also our investor, who is a German entity, and she's in both parcels with us as a financial partner.

916
01:21:57,100 --> 01:22:03,840
So we have ownership of both pieces with our agreement with our German partner, and Vester comes in as a development entity.

917
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:12,870
Do you represent them as well then, as a partner on that parcel?

918
01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:17,030
I am here representing everybody.

919
01:22:17,790 --> 01:22:22,250
I'm representing W Holdings, I'm representing our German investor and I'm also representing

920
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:26,990
the interest of Vesta has in this piece, as our partner for future development on that

921
01:22:26,990 --> 01:22:28,910
front piece, which is the commercial one.

922
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:29,550
Okay.

923
01:22:30,170 --> 01:22:34,710
And of those three entities are all three names specifically in the development agreement

924
01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:39,790
currently exist in the development agreement that exists best start is named as the development

925
01:22:39,790 --> 01:22:47,510
entity. W Holings is not named nor is our German investor. So the agreement that we have

926
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:52,230
with best start on a German investor is just not a recorded document. That's why it doesn't show

927
01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:54,550
up as part of the pre-enekstation development agreement.

928
01:22:57,140 --> 01:23:02,420
So, let me ask another question. I mean, as developments go, obviously, obviously we want

929
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:07,440
development obviously we want I mean what city doesn't want additional sales tax revenue adding

930
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:11,400
to the quality of life of your constituents et cetera and so there's always that careful

931
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,160
balance trying to strike while obviously you see the night that has been very transportation

932
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:21,420
based because that's one of our priorities as well but is there would you say that there's a

933
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:27,800
population threshold that you need here in the city of America before that becomes even you know from

934
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,940
from concept to reality, from a development standpoint?

935
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,660
Mayor Price, that's a good question.

936
01:23:34,420 --> 01:23:37,780
In the development agreement itself, it states that in order for us

937
01:23:37,780 --> 01:23:39,800
that we're obligated to move within 18 months,

938
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,300
when there are more than 10,000 people within a five-mile radius.

939
01:23:45,340 --> 01:23:50,160
So roof tops are required for a venture like this to make sense.

940
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:54,160
So if that answers your question, yes, there is a threshold on when

941
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,600
we would see development happen within this piece.

942
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,160
and it's based on growth happening in this corridor.

943
01:24:01,260 --> 01:24:04,740
But if it's a five mile radius, I mean, it's right across the Machin.

944
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,700
There's not really anybody living there.

945
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:10,880
So I mean, that could be, that could be forever.

946
01:24:11,140 --> 01:24:11,960
Thierry, right?

947
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:14,400
I mean, it could be, it could be coming from the other side too,

948
01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:17,340
but coming from the west, there's not a lot there.

949
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:19,640
So two and a half miles in, there's nothing there.

950
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:25,060
What I cited was just what's in the agreement in terms of our obligation to move.

951
01:24:25,060 --> 01:24:31,000
So there's a clock where obligated to move, whether we move sooner than that or not, to be quite

952
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,540
honest with you, that's where we looked at Vestar and there at the expert in the development

953
01:24:35,540 --> 01:24:37,320
side of the retail component.

954
01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:39,720
Thank you.

955
01:24:42,130 --> 01:24:42,970
Council, other questions?

956
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:45,030
Concerns?

957
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:46,470
Thoughts.

958
01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:47,570
Okay.

959
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:50,750
Can I have a motion for this for this particular item?

960
01:24:51,210 --> 01:24:52,230
Which of where the council pleases?

961
01:24:52,230 --> 01:24:59,930
to approve the recommendation for the East West.

962
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,620
This is court or concept, but I'd also like to have Mr. Burkhardt read into that motion the specific

963
01:25:06,620 --> 01:25:09,200
staff recommendations as part of that.

964
01:25:13,410 --> 01:25:17,670
Very good. Mayor, council members, with regards to the

965
01:25:17,670 --> 01:25:24,490
white and parker intersection with the East West corridor, staff recommends the council include

966
01:25:24,490 --> 01:25:31,170
the language and direction to staff to further refine this concept with the owner of the shadow

967
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:36,930
property in an effort to create an acceptable parcel configuration for the land located between

968
01:25:36,930 --> 01:25:42,110
the future east-west corridor alignment and the existing Maricopa Casa Grande rights of

969
01:25:42,110 --> 01:25:42,770
way.

970
01:25:43,050 --> 01:25:48,710
Staff will also work with the property owner's design team to coordinate the future roadway intersection

971
01:25:48,710 --> 01:25:51,150
designs and alignments affecting the property.

972
01:25:52,510 --> 01:25:59,830
And then a second recommendation we also have is direction to staff to work with the property

973
01:25:59,830 --> 01:26:03,470
of the land at the intersection, Mr. Keeler's property,

974
01:26:04,210 --> 01:26:06,750
the intersection of the proposed east-west corridor,

975
01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:14,140
and 347, in an effort to create an alignment

976
01:26:14,140 --> 01:26:16,800
and intersection at 347.

977
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:21,690
My apologies, I will start that over.

978
01:26:22,190 --> 01:26:25,210
Direct staff to work with Mr. Keeler and the property

979
01:26:25,210 --> 01:26:29,310
owners to further refine the alignment and intersection at 347

980
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:31,890
and effort to create parcel configurations,

981
01:26:31,890 --> 01:26:33,710
is acceptable to the owners.

982
01:26:39,380 --> 01:26:41,420
So there's been a motion in a second.

983
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,820
Any further discussion on that item?

984
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:46,350
Seeing none.

985
01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:48,250
Can I have all in favor say aye, please?

986
01:26:49,230 --> 01:26:49,870
Any opposed?

987
01:26:50,730 --> 01:26:51,490
Motion carries.

988
01:26:52,270 --> 01:26:53,090
Thank you very much.

989
01:26:57,230 --> 01:26:57,430
Okay.

990
01:26:57,710 --> 01:26:58,290
Moving on.

991
01:26:58,330 --> 01:26:58,870
It takes this item.

992
01:26:58,890 --> 01:26:59,710
10.6.

993
01:27:00,350 --> 01:27:01,910
This is the resolution of the mayor and city council.

994
01:27:02,270 --> 01:27:02,730
I'll sit in America.

995
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:03,830
But declaring is a public record.

996
01:27:04,030 --> 01:27:05,270
The certain document filed to the clerk.

997
01:27:05,670 --> 01:27:06,550
Title chapter nine.

998
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:07,370
Health and sanitation.

999
01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:09,690
The mayor of the city code relating to the enforcement administration.

1000
01:27:09,690 --> 01:27:13,850
of the health and sanitation related laws and regulations in the city of Maricopa and

1001
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:19,850
amending the code by limiting the section's 9-1-1 through 9-2-11 in chapter 9 of the

1002
01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:24,890
previously adopted city code and replacing those sections with 9-1 through 9-61

1003
01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:26,890
says forward discussion and action.

1004
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:33,250
Question 5-3.

1005
01:27:33,610 --> 01:27:34,290
Question 5-3.

1006
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:35,270
Question 5.

1007
01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:36,010
Question 5.

1008
01:27:36,010 --> 01:27:37,750
discussion on this particular item.

1009
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:39,950
Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

1010
01:27:40,750 --> 01:27:41,350
Any opposed?

1011
01:27:41,810 --> 01:27:42,390
Motion carries.

1012
01:27:44,090 --> 01:27:44,150
Okay?

1013
01:27:45,090 --> 01:27:47,310
Bear with me once again as we move to the ordinance here.

1014
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:49,050
The ordinance of the mayor and city council, the city of

1015
01:27:49,050 --> 01:27:50,070
Maricopa adopting.

1016
01:27:50,370 --> 01:27:53,110
Arizona adopting chapter nine health and sanitation by reference

1017
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:55,970
As sections nine dash one through nine dash 61 of the

1018
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:58,890
Maricopa city code and repealing sections nine dash one

1019
01:27:58,890 --> 01:28:01,750
dash one through nine dash two dash 11 of the

1020
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:05,150
chapter nine of the Maricopa city code and providing for

1021
01:28:05,150 --> 01:28:07,090
responsibility and the effective date thereof.

1022
01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:08,430
It is for discussion and action.

1023
01:28:08,670 --> 01:28:09,410
Can I have a motion please?

1024
01:28:11,190 --> 01:28:12,070
Have a motion.

1025
01:28:12,430 --> 01:28:12,810
Sir, a second.

1026
01:28:13,210 --> 01:28:13,690
Mr. Wade.

1027
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:15,390
With that, it is an ordinance.

1028
01:28:15,610 --> 01:28:16,570
So can I move to the roll, please?

1029
01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:18,330
Yes.

1030
01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:19,410
Vice Mayor Brown.

1031
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:21,150
Council Member Smith.

1032
01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:22,650
Council Member Chapatos.

1033
01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:24,290
Council Member Wade.

1034
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:25,830
Council Member Mad Freddie.

1035
01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:26,950
Mayor Price.

1036
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:27,350
Yes.

1037
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:28,030
Motion passes.

1038
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:28,550
Great.

1039
01:28:28,730 --> 01:28:29,590
Thank you very much.

1040
01:28:30,490 --> 01:28:31,090
Ten point eight.

1041
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:32,630
The Resolution of the Mayor City Council.

1042
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:36,330
authorizing the imposition of the collection of fees for licensing and regulating the collection

1043
01:28:36,330 --> 01:28:40,270
transportation and disposition of recycling of residential commercial and industrial

1044
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:44,270
refuge generated within the city of Maricopa and establishing the solid waste fees scheduled.

1045
01:28:44,530 --> 01:28:45,530
This is for discussion in action.

1046
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:59,120
The motion and a second, if we approve item 10.8, it's going to be further discussion on this

1047
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,620
particular item.

1048
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,060
Seeing none, all in favor say aye, aye, any opposed?

1049
01:29:05,860 --> 01:29:06,420
Motion carries.

1050
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,160
And then finally, it takes the time 10.9, which is not finally, and apologies.

1051
01:29:13,020 --> 01:29:16,240
Discuss and positive take action on extending the agreement for the recycling and has

1052
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,280
household hazardous waste collection services with the Environmental Concerns

1053
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,040
Organization, Arizona non-profit corporation, which is approved on September 16,

1054
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,980
2004 and authorized in the city manager Gregory Rose for execute not.

1055
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,220
Any and all documents necessary to amend this agreement.

1056
01:29:29,780 --> 01:29:31,020
This is for discussion and action.

1057
01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:40,020
It's been motioned and seconded.

1058
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,060
Dance.

1059
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:42,020
Sorry.

1060
01:29:42,220 --> 01:29:43,840
You got up with us there.

1061
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:58,480
I'm not sure we can do this one now.

1062
01:30:03,340 --> 01:30:05,340
Can you turn your mic on?

1063
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:11,140
Yeah, agreed.

1064
01:30:13,460 --> 01:30:20,680
So is the motion that's on the floor? Is that something that I can have council resend until after we come back to me session or how does that work?

1065
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,340
There was a second of the motion.

1066
01:30:29,950 --> 01:30:33,930
Okay, so if that's the case, can I have a motion to move G session then, please?

1067
01:30:34,530 --> 01:30:39,110
The motion in a second, on if ever say I, we'll return shortly.

1068
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:18,980
Okay, let's go ahead and get started here.

1069
01:31:19,500 --> 01:31:21,260
Let's take us back to item 10.9.

1070
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,600
We apologize for the delays.

1071
01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:26,900
Typically trying to have these G sessions between work session and now, but,

1072
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:34,180
That wasn't a possibility today so anyways that it takes us back to 10.9 as you recall there is a motion on the table

1073
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:36,220
And it has been seconded

1074
01:31:36,220 --> 01:31:39,900
Is there any further discussion or amendments to that motion at all from council

1075
01:31:41,180 --> 01:31:44,800
Okay, seeing none can I have a

1076
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:47,160
What's that?

1077
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,900
No, there's no amendments to the motion

1078
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:56,100
So having said all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries

1079
01:31:56,100 --> 01:32:06,770
at something on to the record indicating my intention to move for with a constructing an RFP

1080
01:32:06,770 --> 01:32:11,770
to rebuild this recycling-ish service.

1081
01:32:12,290 --> 01:32:13,730
Thank you.

1082
01:32:14,590 --> 01:32:16,330
And then finally that takes us out of 10.10.

1083
01:32:16,930 --> 01:32:20,610
I asked this be placed on here just based on the fact that from a scheduling standpoint

1084
01:32:21,190 --> 01:32:27,970
In the past, just so you're all aware, again, we've typically rescheduled that meeting, the

1085
01:32:27,970 --> 01:32:31,790
first meeting in January, because it typically falls so close to January 1st.

1086
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:37,230
In this case, it is the 6th, however, you got to figure that most city staff and oftentimes

1087
01:32:37,230 --> 01:32:42,450
council members take that week off between New Year's and Christmas and New Year's, and so

1088
01:32:42,450 --> 01:32:47,450
therefore, to try and get that we only meet as a city till Thursday, any house, so the reality

1089
01:32:47,450 --> 01:32:51,510
trying to get a council meeting together in less than two days and from publishing and everything else.

1090
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:57,610
It can be done, but I have to ask you do you really want to come here on the six or one small

1091
01:32:57,610 --> 01:33:03,450
item, or shall we just cancel it and push it back and do the one meeting then on the 20th,

1092
01:33:03,450 --> 01:33:07,190
thereby complying with the city code. So I would leave that in your hands.

1093
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:16,360
We have just the second meeting in January. Okay, we have a motion in a second.

1094
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:17,960
It's any further discussion on the item.

1095
01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:20,140
Seeing none, I'll be able to say aye.

1096
01:33:20,420 --> 01:33:23,860
Aye, any opposed motion carries, and that concludes our session.

1097
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,240
So have a motion to adjourn, please.

1098
01:33:26,180 --> 01:33:27,260
Have a motion, is there a second?

1099
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:29,580
Seconded, on fair say aye.

1100
01:33:30,220 --> 01:33:31,520
Aye, any opposed motion carries?

1101
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,040
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