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>> my apologies. I would like to

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call this meeting concerning

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the new notice for the new tax law

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to order and

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you will make a presentation first?

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>> yes or we wanted to

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open up the public hearing that we

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will have this afternoon, the first

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one will

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be on house bill 581

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and will have a description in that

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in a presentation first with any

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questions that come after that. Once

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we finish that we would go

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on to the homestead

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exemptions and annexation and talk

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about the one acre law versus an

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unlimited amount and go ahead

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and describe

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the for the public and take any comments

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on that one also. Mayor, if

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you would not mind we can go ahead

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and and off

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to our finance director who

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would like to make a presentation

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on hb 581.

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>>

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good afternoon.

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>> good

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afternoon.

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>> so,

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hb 581 is a bill that was

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signed into law on april 18, 2024.

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but it was contingent upon a referendum

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that was recently passed

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in november of in november 2024. It

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incorporates three new

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tax provisions.

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so the first one is a revision of

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the property tax procedures. The

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second one is the lost or local option

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sales

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tax which limits,

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their limits

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and the

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last one is the implementation of

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the statewide floating homestead exemption.

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this is the one most directly impacting

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the taxpayer and the

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one we're going to focus on today.

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why is this important? So,

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in response

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to the substantial increase in property

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taxes,

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lawmakers decided that they wanted

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to provide more certainty

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for the taxpayers who were concerned

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about the taxable value of

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their homes. Under this bill the homeowner

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will have a better idea of

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the value of their home and

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they will know

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that it will not increase any more

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than the cpi or

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the inflation rate for the previous

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year. This prevents

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having large jumps in

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property tax value and

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thus, stabilizes the taxpayer's

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annual bill.

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so with the

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558, 581 floating homestead exemption,

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is going to apply starting

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in 2025,

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so this year. It will conclude

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an adjustment factor

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and the adjustment factor allows the

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assessment of

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homestead properties to rise annually

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by the rate of inflation,

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this exemption will be in addition

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to the

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other homestead exemptions, except other

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base year value exemptions

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such as the freezes or floats.

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when a local jurisdiction has a base

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value exemption already in place,

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by law, the taxpayer must receive

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the exemption

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that is most beneficial. So that brings

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us to why

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we are here today. So, marietta currently

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has a

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floating homestead

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exemption.

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and as you can see, based on

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these slides, they are very similar.

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with two very distinct

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, very important distinctions.

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as

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one of the pioneers in the state,

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marietta

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governing officials have been providing

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this benefit

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since 2002 and

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this is one that allows for

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a freeze. Again, setting itself apart

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from other jurisdictions and agencies.

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second more

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important distinction is the homestead

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exemption that was established

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23

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years ago does not include an adjustment factor.

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this is what I mean

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about freeze, the inflation rate,

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unlike hb 581 is not

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included in the marietta floating

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homestead.

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the exclusion of the adjustment factor

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the base year or the taxable

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value amount to remain

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the same, regardless of inflation

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as long as the home is

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still owned at the same property owner.

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so let's look at a calculation

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comparison.

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example shows marietta homestead residence

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with a net taxable value

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of $350,000.

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at the time the homestead

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was implemented. So there

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are questions we have received in

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regards to whether or not

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it is the value

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that you purchased the property. It's

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actually the value in which

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the homestead exemption was implemented.

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so in most cases when people purchase

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a home,

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they are purchasing a home that they

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live in

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and they apply the

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homestead exemption. There are cases

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where people may purchase a home that

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may not be their

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primary residence and later on the

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transfer and that is their primary

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residence. At

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that point and time the freeze is

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implemented. Okay? Taking the growth

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tax value at 40%

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which is

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less and 40% less the fair market value

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, the exemptions, leslie exemptions

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and then less,

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multiply that times the

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millage rate and you will get your

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net taxable value

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for the amount you owe.

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so let's walk through this one.

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you have a fair market value, you

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take that

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and multiply

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by 40% and that is going to give you

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the taxable

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home value.

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in this instance on the first year

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you purchased the home that's $350,000.

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and then that is

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in this particular assumption we

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have already excluded any

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additional exemptions.

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typically there is a $4000 or $6000

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state exemption with a disability,

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it would be $6000.

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so in this particular instance we

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have taken

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that out. You will multiply that

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by the millage rate and it will give

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you a tax bill

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of $657. Now as we

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fast forward five years, he

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will look at a home that has no exemption.

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the taxable value

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is $425,427. Multiplied by the city

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millage rate and you have a

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taxable liability of $798.

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for the same home if you are applying

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hb 581,

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your taxable value is

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$386,335

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. Apply the city millage rate and

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you have taxable amount that is due

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of 725. With the city

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of marietta current floating

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homestead exemption,

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at a value of 250,000

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, notice the amount does

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not change. And that is in regards

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to the freeze. With the state exemption

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it does have an inflation rate so

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you'll see the increase in taxable

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value of

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your home. Again, apply the

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millage rate to the city's

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taxable value and you will have

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$657 of liability,

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which is the same amount you paid

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year one. Okay?

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so, the opt out provision.

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so, the

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state requires local jurisdictions

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to provide the most

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beneficial option to the taxpayer.

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the city of

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marietta has already been doing that.

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why are we

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opting out? Opting

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out allows the city to continue to provide

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the best

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options without having the additional

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administrative costs. So,

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by us opting out, we are

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not changing our methodology, we are

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not changing our

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taxes that

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are billed to the taxpayer, our

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millage rate has remained

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the same for quite some time.

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as well as our exemption.

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so what the city is currently

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doing provides the best benefit to

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the taxpayer

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and that is why we are

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choosing to opt out.

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questions as we go?

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>> certainly.

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>> when you say we will do it,

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you know now we have to advertise

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and see there is a tax increase. We

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will still

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have to do what

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is the law we came under. Make the disclosures.

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under either option, yes sir.

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so during the billing cycle we have

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to go through and advertise and indicate

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if we roll

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back whether or not there is a tax

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increase which would have been assumed

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for the taxpayer, if we did not take

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the new millage rate.

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>> folks that have not seen that in

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the past, basically it is saying

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is the city taking in more dollars

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overall, in

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texas that year than they took in

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the previous year without changing

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the taxes. Because

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we have development and things going

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on in

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the city we are taking in more money

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on annual basis

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then we did the prior year so the

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state makes us go say it

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is a tax increase when it really isn't,

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the taxes do not change.

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it is a revenue increase, that we

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are getting

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more revenue off the taxes

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, but there are no individual taxes

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being changed by the

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city. And in fact

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three years we reduced the taxes but

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we were charging everybody as

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far as the tax bill because we reduced

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the bond millage on that.

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it is something the state put

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in place that is really kind of confusing.

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when you have to state it

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is so we usually put another ad that

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goes

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in the paper that lets everyone knows,

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the city has not

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changed the tax rate

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and is not

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increasing taxes and if you have a

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homestead property, you will see zero

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impact. You're

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not going to have any tax increase

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at all, if you

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have commercial piece of property

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you do,

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the homestead property you could own

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20 years

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with us and not change taxes but they

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will pay nothing different than they

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paid 20 years ago.

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>> if you don't, if you

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interpret it. By the

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city opting out, the non-homestead people

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are the same either way.

308
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>> yes sir.

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>> we are not adding much

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other than tax purposes

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giving to homestead.

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>> that's a good point, if you have

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a commercial

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piece of property with another residential

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piece of property

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are renting ports not primary residence

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and you will see

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no change.

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>> so it would keep

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, what we have been doing in the past

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we

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will continue to do. What we are seeing

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is simply

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what we have been doing is still better

325
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than what the state is opting to do

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currently for this bill.

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so, if

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you are a homestead, you have

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a homestead property, that was

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recently purchased or you sold the property,

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once you sold the property,

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the new homeowner would assume

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the taxable value at that

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point and time.

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>>

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yes, the overarching point

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is the city in its infinite wisdom

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20 some

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years ago put

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this in place and protected the homestead

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property owners from the

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increases and hardly anybody else

343
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in the state

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did.

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so the other law is to do with everybody

346
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else in the state that is

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not have that protection and our protection

348
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is better

349
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than with the state has imposed.

350
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>>

351
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four counties out of 159.

352
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I don't know if there is more. I don't

353
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know, chatham

354
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or, it was done local

355
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.

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to me we're not often

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opting out,

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they are opting in. 155 counties.

359
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>> have a question. We don't know

360
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what the county is doing at this point?

361
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>>

362
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we do not, that is a good point.

363
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we have heard different things both

364
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ways and I

365
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cannot say for sure.

366
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>> because that

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affects the

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total bill

369
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.

370
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>> well, it would not really

371
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affect city bills.

372
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>> not the city

373
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bill but the homeowner pays.

374
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>> the

375
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county

376
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is exempted, too like we are so

377
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as far as the homestead properties.

378
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the difference is, if you're in the

379
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county, you have to pay

380
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the fire fee so the fire fee would

381
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not be regulated, if they opt

382
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in sorry if they opt out then the

383
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fire fee would

384
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not have regulation on its. It would

385
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continue to

386
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do as it does now

387
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and go up with appraisals. If they

388
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opt in it would be subject to 3%

389
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or whatever inflationary amount each

390
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year

391
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but the city residents will not feel

392
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any impact either way.

393
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>> I guess the point I was making,

394
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the county still every two

395
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years or three years whatever it is

396
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come around. And evaluate.

397
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>> yesterday. >> I have

398
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38% increase this year.

399
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>> hi 20s

400
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and 30s.

401
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>> not just me, whatever

402
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I was in,

403
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we were behind. And if

404
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I may, this is, but the

405
00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:40,405
county has, most

406
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of the cities will probably opt out

407
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from what I have

408
00:15:44,411 --> 00:15:46,413
seen in the paper. The county has

409
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things like the fire to consider.

410
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they

411
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have a lot more conservatory

412
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property. You know,

413
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to see how that's going to balance,

414
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but boy I think they will say, the cities

415
00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:05,429
don't tend to have large

416
00:16:05,432 --> 00:16:07,432
aggregates under conservation.

417
00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:10,435
>> they do

418
00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:13,440
have until march 1 to file with

419
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the state and declare one way or another

420
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opting in or out. So I

421
00:16:20,447 --> 00:16:22,449
am sure, as many have seen

422
00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:26,453
the news, where so many different agencies

423
00:16:26,453 --> 00:16:28,455
are starting to advertise and doing

424
00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:29,456
exactly what we are doing, holding hearings

425
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if they

426
00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:35,459
are choosing to opt out.

427
00:16:40,467 --> 00:16:41,468
>> so, mayor, however you want to

428
00:16:41,468 --> 00:16:43,470
do this, if you want

429
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:44,471
to hand it over to [ name ] to do

430
00:16:44,471 --> 00:16:46,473
the public portion or

431
00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:47,474
if you would like to do it, however

432
00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:50,477
you would prefer. On that, but the

433
00:16:50,477 --> 00:16:51,478
presentation is finished.

434
00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:53,478
>>

435
00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,414
I think this is important enough of

436
00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:56,414
an issue

437
00:16:56,416 --> 00:16:59,416
to have a public hearing.

438
00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:02,422
so everybody can have their say on

439
00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:04,422
the record.

440
00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:07,825
conduct a public hearing.

441
00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:10,430
>> yes sir, this will be

442
00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:11,431
a public hearing on hospital 581.

443
00:17:11,431 --> 00:17:12,432
regarding the floating

444
00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:14,635
homestead exemption. It appears that marietta may opt out,

445
00:17:14,635 --> 00:17:16,303
anyone here who would like to speak on that

446
00:17:16,303 --> 00:17:17,171
please come forward.

447
00:17:17,171 --> 00:17:19,273
state your name and address and make any comment. Anyone?

448
00:17:19,273 --> 00:17:20,274
mayor tumlin no one

449
00:17:20,274 --> 00:17:22,276
would like to speak on this matter,

450
00:17:22,276 --> 00:17:24,676
public hearing is closed.

451
00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,279
>>

452
00:17:28,282 --> 00:17:31,282
down here please. Nobody is

453
00:17:31,285 --> 00:17:33,285
coming down.

454
00:17:33,287 --> 00:17:34,288
what we just presented, is that on

455
00:17:34,288 --> 00:17:36,288
our webpage?

456
00:17:37,291 --> 00:17:39,291
>> yes we have

457
00:17:41,295 --> 00:17:43,297
had it on the page.

458
00:17:43,297 --> 00:17:44,231
we have a flyer that's on the page

459
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that describes everything we went

460
00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:47,234
through and it has the chart on it

461
00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:49,234
with

462
00:17:50,237 --> 00:17:51,238
those issues.

463
00:17:51,238 --> 00:17:53,240
>> I apologize, state your name and

464
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,241
address please.

465
00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:56,241
>> [ name

466
00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:58,243
] 667 hampton place

467
00:17:59,246 --> 00:18:01,246
marietta 30064.

468
00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:09,256
thank you for the opportunity to

469
00:18:09,256 --> 00:18:10,257
address you guys tonight. Just wanted

470
00:18:10,257 --> 00:18:11,258
to make a few comments and make sure

471
00:18:11,258 --> 00:18:12,259
we

472
00:18:12,259 --> 00:18:14,261
have clarification, for the homeowners

473
00:18:14,261 --> 00:18:17,264
in the city. With a few comments

474
00:18:17,264 --> 00:18:19,266
made by, with the

475
00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:20,267
calculation I think is what we are

476
00:18:20,267 --> 00:18:22,267
trying

477
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:24,271
to understand.

478
00:18:24,271 --> 00:18:25,272
the calculation will change but property

479
00:18:25,272 --> 00:18:26,273
taxes may increase year-over-year

480
00:18:26,273 --> 00:18:28,273
even though

481
00:18:29,276 --> 00:18:31,276
the assessed value

482
00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:33,280
also changes? So if I

483
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,282
look at my property tax, I'm sure

484
00:18:35,282 --> 00:18:37,682
if you look at

485
00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:40,287
mr. Goldstein's property taxes in

486
00:18:40,287 --> 00:18:41,288
the last several years he has seen

487
00:18:41,288 --> 00:18:43,288
increases and changes

488
00:18:43,290 --> 00:18:44,224
in the homestead value as the assessed

489
00:18:44,224 --> 00:18:46,224
value

490
00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:49,229
goes up, but not everybody is afforded

491
00:18:49,229 --> 00:18:50,230
the same opportunity. What I am trying

492
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:52,230
to

493
00:18:52,232 --> 00:18:53,233
find clarification for is why does

494
00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:55,235
my neighbor get a different

495
00:18:55,235 --> 00:18:56,236
homestead floating exemption than

496
00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:58,636
I do from one

497
00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:02,242
year to the other and his taxes stay

498
00:19:02,242 --> 00:19:05,245
the same and mine go up?

499
00:19:05,245 --> 00:19:06,246
>> yeah, while there shouldn't

500
00:19:06,246 --> 00:19:08,248
be any change because what should happen,

501
00:19:08,248 --> 00:19:09,249
I was

502
00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:11,251
able should happen if you're both

503
00:19:11,251 --> 00:19:13,253
inside the city. Okay so

504
00:19:13,253 --> 00:19:15,455
if you brought your property five years ago,

505
00:19:15,455 --> 00:19:19,259
he bought his two years ago or three years ago whatever

506
00:19:19,259 --> 00:19:20,227
the sales price value was at that time

507
00:19:20,227 --> 00:19:22,262
that the county used, it would freeze at that point.

508
00:19:22,262 --> 00:19:25,265
if you're getting a city tax bill

509
00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:27,267
it's comp located because you have

510
00:19:27,267 --> 00:19:29,267
city taxes

511
00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:31,271
and you also have school taxes. The

512
00:19:31,271 --> 00:19:33,271
school

513
00:19:33,273 --> 00:19:35,273
taxes are not

514
00:19:36,276 --> 00:19:37,277
, so if you look at just the

515
00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:39,279
city portion, it should stay the same

516
00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:41,281
if it's frozen at 300,000 or whatever

517
00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:44,218
it should stay that way for your house

518
00:19:44,218 --> 00:19:45,219
for 20 years. Unless the city goes

519
00:19:45,219 --> 00:19:47,219
in and

520
00:19:47,221 --> 00:19:48,222
changes the millage which the city

521
00:19:48,222 --> 00:19:50,622
has not done since

522
00:19:51,225 --> 00:19:53,225
around 2003.

523
00:19:53,227 --> 00:19:57,231
so, that, although we have gone down

524
00:19:57,231 --> 00:19:59,231
three times.

525
00:19:59,233 --> 00:20:00,234
but yes it should stay the same the

526
00:20:00,234 --> 00:20:01,235
entire time now

527
00:20:01,235 --> 00:20:03,237
on the school portion that would've

528
00:20:03,237 --> 00:20:04,238
gone up because when

529
00:20:04,238 --> 00:20:06,240
the county goes to reappraise the

530
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,242
property as the mayor was talking about,

531
00:20:08,242 --> 00:20:09,243
then it's going to make property tax

532
00:20:09,243 --> 00:20:11,245
go up on that

533
00:20:11,245 --> 00:20:12,246
site. Since the city bills for both

534
00:20:12,246 --> 00:20:14,248
of those you get

535
00:20:14,248 --> 00:20:15,249
one bill with school and city tax

536
00:20:15,249 --> 00:20:17,249
on it

537
00:20:17,251 --> 00:20:18,252
and that's why we have frequently

538
00:20:18,252 --> 00:20:20,252
folks will come

539
00:20:21,255 --> 00:20:23,255
to us

540
00:20:24,258 --> 00:20:25,259
at meetings and

541
00:20:25,259 --> 00:20:27,261
so you said my taxes did not go up

542
00:20:27,261 --> 00:20:30,264
but they did, I was paying this,

543
00:20:30,264 --> 00:20:31,265
now I'm paying this. And that is true

544
00:20:31,265 --> 00:20:32,266
you are

545
00:20:32,266 --> 00:20:33,267
paying more on that tax bill but the

546
00:20:33,267 --> 00:20:35,269
portion going to the city did not

547
00:20:35,269 --> 00:20:36,270
change.

548
00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:37,271
>> I don't know that I would

549
00:20:37,271 --> 00:20:39,273
agree with that and

550
00:20:39,273 --> 00:20:41,275
I think mr. Tumlin mentioned something about

551
00:20:41,275 --> 00:20:43,760
county taxes, my county taxes for cobb county homestead

552
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,770
exempt has remained the same for the last five years

553
00:20:44,770 --> 00:20:45,579
since I owned my home since 2020.

554
00:20:45,579 --> 00:20:47,800
so while I see that the line item remains the same,

555
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:48,810
because they make a floating adjustment

556
00:20:48,810 --> 00:20:50,810
on homestead

557
00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:51,840
exemption number, as my value increases

558
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,484
on my assessed value

559
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:56,487
, that number goes up

560
00:20:57,900 --> 00:20:59,900
to remain

561
00:21:00,930 --> 00:21:01,940
my tax bill the same.

562
00:21:01,940 --> 00:21:03,960
however the city line item continues

563
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,980
to remain stagnant at 4000

564
00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:06,990
or when you're going up to 40,000

565
00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:08,499
and next year back

566
00:21:09,102 --> 00:21:10,103
to 4000, my value continues

567
00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:12,105
to increase some actual cost has risen

568
00:21:12,105 --> 00:21:15,108
almost 40% in the last five years

569
00:21:15,108 --> 00:21:18,708
since I have on my home.

570
00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:21,114
>> that does not make sense at all.

571
00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:23,116
>> it does not. Understand

572
00:21:23,116 --> 00:21:24,117
city schools is going to have a hearing

573
00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:26,517
tomorrow to discuss the

574
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,121
same thing. I do again see my

575
00:21:28,121 --> 00:21:30,123
homestead exemption staying the same

576
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:32,123
at $4000,

577
00:21:32,125 --> 00:21:33,126
but neighbors owning their home since

578
00:21:33,126 --> 00:21:35,126
2016 with kids,

579
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:38,650
not of age 62 or older and

580
00:21:38,650 --> 00:21:39,660
0they have adjusted homestead exemption

581
00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:42,690
going up and down during the

582
00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:44,690
same period.

583
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,730
so I'm trying to

584
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:48,750
get clarification for the homeowners

585
00:21:48,750 --> 00:21:49,760
in the city to make sure everybody

586
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,760
is on the

587
00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:52,790
same page because once everything

588
00:21:52,790 --> 00:21:53,800
you stated

589
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,810
is not reality if you look at everybody's

590
00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:56,810
tax bill.

591
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:57,840
>> since you are talking about the

592
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,850
4000, I think

593
00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:00,870
we are talking about two different

594
00:22:00,870 --> 00:22:03,870
things. And I will let

595
00:22:06,930 --> 00:22:08,950
, come up, the 4000 is

596
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:09,960
not what we are talking about here.

597
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,970
we are talking about the actual valuation

598
00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:12,990
of the property. And then you do have

599
00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:13,100
other valuations that are changing

600
00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:14,101
on the homestead

601
00:22:14,101 --> 00:22:15,102
with state also that comes in and

602
00:22:15,102 --> 00:22:18,102
has given relief at times

603
00:22:18,105 --> 00:22:22,109
so that has changed a little bit too

604
00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:23,110
>> real quick

605
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:24,111
the comments are seeing the city is

606
00:22:24,111 --> 00:22:27,114
years advanced in terms of adopting

607
00:22:27,114 --> 00:22:29,114
the floating

608
00:22:30,117 --> 00:22:31,118
homestead exemption was the flotation

609
00:22:31,118 --> 00:22:33,120
goes as your assessed value goes up you

610
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,120
it floats up

611
00:22:35,122 --> 00:22:36,560
so your taxes remain the same. That's

612
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,560
the constant, I

613
00:22:38,580 --> 00:22:39,590
understand that and I think that is

614
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:41,590
a better opportunity

615
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,650
than what the state may have provided

616
00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:48,650
but I do see the

617
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,680
assessed value

618
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:53,730
, the homestead floating exemption

619
00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:54,740
not rising at the same value as the

620
00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:56,443
assessed value so you pay more taxes going above and beyond

621
00:22:56,443 --> 00:22:57,744
the consumer price index inflation value year-over-year.

622
00:22:57,744 --> 00:22:58,846
>> go ahead, that should not be happening.

623
00:22:58,846 --> 00:23:03,851
>> what you should see on the tax bill is come

624
00:23:03,851 --> 00:23:04,852
okay. This is cobb county.

625
00:23:04,852 --> 00:23:07,852
>> the city is right here.

626
00:23:09,857 --> 00:23:12,257
>> so, it is showing,

627
00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:15,860
your millage rate, for marietta

628
00:23:23,871 --> 00:23:25,873
. This is from the board of assessors, this

629
00:23:25,873 --> 00:23:27,808
is not

630
00:23:27,808 --> 00:23:31,812
your bill. Okay I see what it is now.

631
00:23:31,812 --> 00:23:33,812
so you

632
00:23:33,814 --> 00:23:34,815
are not paying this.

633
00:23:34,815 --> 00:23:37,215
>> that is the estimate.

634
00:23:37,818 --> 00:23:39,820
>> let me swing, so every year

635
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:43,420
the tax assessors around this time

636
00:23:43,824 --> 00:23:44,825
will ask

637
00:23:44,825 --> 00:23:46,827
, they will go release what the new

638
00:23:46,827 --> 00:23:48,827
assessments are.

639
00:23:48,829 --> 00:23:51,832
if you notice on that piece of paper

640
00:23:51,832 --> 00:23:52,833
it will tell you this is not a bill.

641
00:23:52,833 --> 00:23:54,833
so they

642
00:23:54,835 --> 00:23:58,839
give an estimate, not always is that

643
00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,839
inclusive of all the exemptions

644
00:24:01,842 --> 00:24:04,842
that you have. In the

645
00:24:04,845 --> 00:24:06,845
last couple years

646
00:24:07,848 --> 00:24:08,849
we have worked closely

647
00:24:08,849 --> 00:24:10,851
with the tax assessor office to get

648
00:24:10,851 --> 00:24:14,451
that as close as we can

649
00:24:14,855 --> 00:24:16,857
in providing the tax assessor office

650
00:24:16,857 --> 00:24:18,859
with those exemptions in advance

651
00:24:18,859 --> 00:24:22,863
of this notice going out. So you should see

652
00:24:22,863 --> 00:24:25,866
, you will see increase in your

653
00:24:25,866 --> 00:24:27,801
assessment, but he will also see increase

654
00:24:27,801 --> 00:24:31,805
in the number of exemptions that you have.

655
00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:33,805
homestead exemptions.

656
00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:37,208
so that will increase,

657
00:24:37,811 --> 00:24:38,812
to equal out to the base rate

658
00:24:38,812 --> 00:24:40,814
or the value of the home when you

659
00:24:40,814 --> 00:24:42,814
purchased it.

660
00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:45,216
>> understand, and understand the

661
00:24:45,819 --> 00:24:46,820
calculation process. However, I know

662
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:48,820
this is

663
00:24:49,823 --> 00:24:50,824
just the notice I printed off online,

664
00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:52,824
but

665
00:24:52,826 --> 00:24:55,829
the bill like it in the mail

666
00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:56,830
and the one that

667
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:58,832
I process right outside this building,

668
00:24:58,832 --> 00:25:00,834
right outside this office,

669
00:25:00,834 --> 00:25:01,835
is the exact same thing that is printed

670
00:25:01,835 --> 00:25:03,835
on here.

671
00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:09,380
unless I go through the process to

672
00:25:10,844 --> 00:25:11,845
.

673
00:25:11,845 --> 00:25:12,846
>> it

674
00:25:12,846 --> 00:25:13,847
should not be exact because we found

675
00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:16,850
a lot of inaccuracies in that over

676
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:17,851
the last couple years.

677
00:25:17,851 --> 00:25:19,851
>> maybe

678
00:25:19,853 --> 00:25:21,855
I have overpaid my taxes.

679
00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:22,856
>> we are talking about inaccuracies

680
00:25:22,856 --> 00:25:24,856
of the

681
00:25:24,858 --> 00:25:25,859
tax assessor because it tells you

682
00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:27,859
it is

683
00:25:28,862 --> 00:25:29,863
an estimate.

684
00:25:29,863 --> 00:25:30,864
>>

685
00:25:30,864 --> 00:25:31,865
they have to do it way before any

686
00:25:31,865 --> 00:25:34,868
taxes are set and so they

687
00:25:34,868 --> 00:25:36,868
are guessing

688
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:37,871
at that point.

689
00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:38,872
>> everybody else experiencing

690
00:25:38,872 --> 00:25:40,872
the same thing

691
00:25:40,874 --> 00:25:41,875
up here?

692
00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:43,875
>>

693
00:25:43,877 --> 00:25:44,878
in the prior years.

694
00:25:44,878 --> 00:25:46,878
>>

695
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,880
get confused with

696
00:25:48,882 --> 00:25:49,883
that notice.

697
00:25:49,883 --> 00:25:51,885
>> understand it's a notice

698
00:25:51,885 --> 00:25:52,886
and I'm not using this as hard facts,

699
00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:54,886
but what

700
00:25:55,889 --> 00:25:56,890
I paid in 2024 for property taxes

701
00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:58,892
is what the notice stated, what I

702
00:25:58,892 --> 00:26:00,892
paid 23 is what

703
00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:04,895
the bill stated for city

704
00:26:04,898 --> 00:26:05,899
school taxes.

705
00:26:05,899 --> 00:26:06,900
>> what we

706
00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:09,903
can do for you in the next 15 minutes

707
00:26:09,903 --> 00:26:10,904
as I can have one of my staff members

708
00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:13,907
sit and go through the computer

709
00:26:13,907 --> 00:26:18,912
and pull up your true bill and show what you

710
00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:19,913
paid and might see if there's a problem,

711
00:26:19,913 --> 00:26:22,916
if there is we need to deal

712
00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:23,917
with it.

713
00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:24,918
>> again if

714
00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:25,919
you look at the notices available

715
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,856
to the public will see it and

716
00:26:28,856 --> 00:26:29,857
when asking people on my street or the neighborhood they

717
00:26:29,857 --> 00:26:30,858
pay what they receive as the notice so

718
00:26:30,858 --> 00:26:31,859
I see this consistently across the area that I live in.

719
00:26:31,859 --> 00:26:32,860
>> I don't know, I can see the notice I get

720
00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:33,861
each year is different from what I

721
00:26:33,861 --> 00:26:34,862
am paying because when I get the actual

722
00:26:34,862 --> 00:26:35,863
bill, it's different because we don't

723
00:26:35,863 --> 00:26:36,864
put the notice out. We put

724
00:26:36,864 --> 00:26:37,865
the bill out but let's look and see because

725
00:26:37,865 --> 00:26:38,866
you should not have any change on that,

726
00:26:38,866 --> 00:26:40,367
it should exactly be the same. I mean

727
00:26:40,367 --> 00:26:41,869
I have been here 20 some years and mine has always been the same.

728
00:26:41,869 --> 00:26:42,870
>> first two years it stayed the same and then the

729
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:43,871
value really started to increase in 22 and 23

730
00:26:43,871 --> 00:26:47,274
and that's why the the floating homestead exemption

731
00:26:47,274 --> 00:26:49,276
did not float at the same rate to

732
00:26:49,276 --> 00:26:52,276
make sure my city taxes

733
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,279
remain flat. And

734
00:26:55,282 --> 00:26:57,282
again, school

735
00:27:01,288 --> 00:27:03,288
may be separate

736
00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:04,291
and that's tomorrow.

737
00:27:04,291 --> 00:27:05,225
>> that's the

738
00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:06,226
question, you did the homestead application,

739
00:27:06,226 --> 00:27:07,227
you applied with

740
00:27:07,227 --> 00:27:08,228
the county office and you went to

741
00:27:08,228 --> 00:27:09,229
the city office and applied?

742
00:27:09,229 --> 00:27:10,230
>> it's

743
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:11,231
line itemed here so I assumed I did

744
00:27:11,231 --> 00:27:12,232
both of them. Maybe that's where

745
00:27:12,232 --> 00:27:13,233
the issue is but I don't know why

746
00:27:13,233 --> 00:27:15,233
it would

747
00:27:19,239 --> 00:27:21,239
be there if

748
00:27:21,241 --> 00:27:22,242
I didn't apply for both.

749
00:27:22,242 --> 00:27:23,243
>> we'll

750
00:27:23,243 --> 00:27:24,244
figure that out for you. We'll go

751
00:27:24,244 --> 00:27:25,245
ahead

752
00:27:25,245 --> 00:27:26,246
and do that. We can do that probably

753
00:27:26,246 --> 00:27:27,247
today.

754
00:27:27,247 --> 00:27:28,248
>> appreciate your time. >>

755
00:27:28,248 --> 00:27:29,249
thank

756
00:27:29,249 --> 00:27:30,250
you.

757
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:31,251
>> the other two components of

758
00:27:31,251 --> 00:27:32,252
the bill were

759
00:27:32,252 --> 00:27:33,253
the 2010 bond issue. We haven't had

760
00:27:33,253 --> 00:27:35,253
one

761
00:27:37,257 --> 00:27:38,258
since then .

762
00:27:38,258 --> 00:27:39,259
>> that's a good

763
00:27:39,259 --> 00:27:40,260
point to mention.

764
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:41,261
>> if it goes up

765
00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:43,263
30,000 then your exemption goes up

766
00:27:43,263 --> 00:27:45,263
30. Is

767
00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:48,266
there a

768
00:27:54,274 --> 00:27:55,275
mechanical problem?

769
00:27:55,275 --> 00:27:56,276
>> we definitely

770
00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:57,277
look and see there. There would've

771
00:27:57,277 --> 00:27:58,278
been two, depending

772
00:27:58,278 --> 00:27:59,279
on what years we are talking about,

773
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,280
there would've been two times. I don't

774
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,281
know

775
00:28:01,281 --> 00:28:02,282
when you bought property initially

776
00:28:02,282 --> 00:28:03,283
but there would've been an additional

777
00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:04,284
tax that would've been

778
00:28:04,284 --> 00:28:05,219
added on because there were two different

779
00:28:05,219 --> 00:28:06,220
bonds that voters approved. There

780
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:07,221
was a

781
00:28:07,221 --> 00:28:08,222
parts bond that approved and added

782
00:28:08,222 --> 00:28:09,223
tax and there was also redevelopment

783
00:28:09,223 --> 00:28:10,224
bond that

784
00:28:10,224 --> 00:28:11,225
was approved and added tax so that

785
00:28:11,225 --> 00:28:12,226
would've been two years where it would've

786
00:28:12,226 --> 00:28:13,227
gone

787
00:28:13,227 --> 00:28:14,228
up even though your appraisal, from

788
00:28:14,228 --> 00:28:15,229
our standpoint, would not have changed.

789
00:28:15,229 --> 00:28:16,230
so we

790
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:17,231
can show that also.

791
00:28:17,231 --> 00:28:18,232
>> I will also

792
00:28:18,232 --> 00:28:20,234
like to bring up the

793
00:28:20,234 --> 00:28:23,234
fact that the state issued

794
00:28:23,237 --> 00:28:25,637
an additional exemption last

795
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,240
year up

796
00:28:29,243 --> 00:28:32,243
to $18,000 that was not renewed

797
00:28:32,246 --> 00:28:35,249
this year. So there will be a

798
00:28:35,249 --> 00:28:37,649
differential there in the

799
00:28:38,252 --> 00:28:41,252
taxes that you paid for

800
00:28:44,258 --> 00:28:45,259
the $18,000 that's not exempted

801
00:28:45,259 --> 00:28:46,260
from the state this year.

802
00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:47,261
>> what

803
00:28:47,261 --> 00:28:48,262
they did with that is they basically

804
00:28:48,262 --> 00:28:49,263
took

805
00:28:49,263 --> 00:28:50,264
our general tax that we would normally

806
00:28:50,264 --> 00:28:51,265
charge and then they said we are

807
00:28:51,265 --> 00:28:52,266
going to reduce it, everybody, everybody

808
00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:53,267
in the state, and they said we are

809
00:28:53,267 --> 00:28:54,268
going

810
00:28:54,268 --> 00:28:56,270
to take our excess reserves that we

811
00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:58,272
have and we are going to pump it

812
00:28:58,272 --> 00:28:59,273
into the state and allow everybody's

813
00:28:59,273 --> 00:29:00,274
tax

814
00:29:00,274 --> 00:29:02,276
to go down a little bit this year.

815
00:29:02,276 --> 00:29:03,277
so they did that and then

816
00:29:03,277 --> 00:29:05,212
they didn't do it to the same amount

817
00:29:05,212 --> 00:29:07,214
next year so it went up.

818
00:29:07,214 --> 00:29:08,215
>> that was the year the rebates during

819
00:29:08,215 --> 00:29:10,215
covid for

820
00:29:11,218 --> 00:29:13,218
income tax.

821
00:29:14,221 --> 00:29:17,224
they were flush with money so they

822
00:29:17,224 --> 00:29:20,224
shared it with the homestead

823
00:29:20,227 --> 00:29:21,228
people.

824
00:29:21,228 --> 00:29:22,229
>> a real good thing.

825
00:29:22,229 --> 00:29:23,230
>> public hearing is closed unless

826
00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:24,231
there are

827
00:29:24,231 --> 00:29:27,231
further comments. The public hearing

828
00:29:27,234 --> 00:29:28,235
is closed.

829
00:29:28,235 --> 00:29:29,236
>> mayor, we had the second

830
00:29:29,236 --> 00:29:32,239
item we have on their which

831
00:29:32,239 --> 00:29:34,639
is talking about annexation

832
00:29:36,243 --> 00:29:38,245
and also the exemption that we have

833
00:29:38,245 --> 00:29:39,246
right now on

834
00:29:39,246 --> 00:29:41,248
school tax for 62 andover, which is

835
00:29:41,248 --> 00:29:44,248
one acre at the current

836
00:29:44,251 --> 00:29:45,252
time and the

837
00:29:45,252 --> 00:29:47,254
discussion was whether we should possibly

838
00:29:47,254 --> 00:29:49,254
extend

839
00:29:50,257 --> 00:29:51,258
that and make that unlimited

840
00:29:51,258 --> 00:29:53,260
if it's to a parcel that is owned

841
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,260
and

842
00:29:55,262 --> 00:29:56,263
lived in by someone who can be under

843
00:29:56,263 --> 00:29:57,264
the homestead

844
00:29:57,264 --> 00:29:59,266
at 62 point currently the way it works

845
00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:01,666
is if you have

846
00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:03,270
10

847
00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:05,205
acres or let's make it smaller. Let's

848
00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:08,208
have five acres. You can only have

849
00:30:08,208 --> 00:30:10,208
one acre of

850
00:30:11,211 --> 00:30:13,211
that land

851
00:30:14,214 --> 00:30:15,215
exempted if you're over 62. The rest

852
00:30:15,215 --> 00:30:16,216
of

853
00:30:16,216 --> 00:30:17,217
that property is taxed for school

854
00:30:17,217 --> 00:30:18,218
tax. If you're in the county that

855
00:30:18,218 --> 00:30:19,219
is not

856
00:30:19,219 --> 00:30:20,220
the case. If you're in the city it

857
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:21,221
is. And so the discussion was

858
00:30:21,221 --> 00:30:22,222
whether council should consider extending

859
00:30:22,222 --> 00:30:23,223
that exemption over the entire piece

860
00:30:23,223 --> 00:30:25,223
of property that

861
00:30:26,226 --> 00:30:28,226
is the

862
00:30:28,228 --> 00:30:29,229
one parcel, with multiple parcels

863
00:30:29,229 --> 00:30:32,229
I guess you could combine

864
00:30:32,232 --> 00:30:34,234
if you wanted to. But it

865
00:30:34,234 --> 00:30:35,235
would be whatever is owned by that

866
00:30:35,235 --> 00:30:36,236
homesteader and used by the homesteader,

867
00:30:36,236 --> 00:30:38,238
not rental property or whatever else

868
00:30:38,238 --> 00:30:40,238
that

869
00:30:41,241 --> 00:30:43,243
we have. Anything else

870
00:30:43,243 --> 00:30:44,244
you want to add to that?

871
00:30:44,244 --> 00:30:45,245
>> does the

872
00:30:45,245 --> 00:30:46,246
county have an acreage limits

873
00:30:46,246 --> 00:30:47,247
at all?

874
00:30:47,247 --> 00:30:48,248
>> they got a 10 acre. >>

875
00:30:48,248 --> 00:30:50,248
they have a

876
00:30:53,253 --> 00:30:54,254
10 acre. In another issue

877
00:30:54,254 --> 00:30:55,255
when we were annexing, there were

878
00:30:55,255 --> 00:30:56,256
some properties that say they had

879
00:30:56,256 --> 00:30:58,256
six acres. The

880
00:30:58,258 --> 00:31:02,262
city got them to put their residence

881
00:31:02,262 --> 00:31:04,262
within one

882
00:31:05,265 --> 00:31:07,265
acre and

883
00:31:08,268 --> 00:31:09,269
--

884
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:10,270
>> the rest was

885
00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:11,271
separated.

886
00:31:11,271 --> 00:31:12,272
>> the rest were separated.

887
00:31:12,272 --> 00:31:14,274
I think the way we mostly do it

888
00:31:14,274 --> 00:31:15,275
is people --we would take a pro rata.

889
00:31:15,275 --> 00:31:16,276
>>

890
00:31:16,276 --> 00:31:17,277
that's what would happen if they didn't

891
00:31:17,277 --> 00:31:19,277
put them on

892
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,281
separate parcels. And so

893
00:31:21,281 --> 00:31:23,283
I know part of the discussion was

894
00:31:23,283 --> 00:31:25,683
we have large blocks

895
00:31:26,286 --> 00:31:29,289
of land that are adjacent to the city,

896
00:31:29,289 --> 00:31:31,289
the annexing

897
00:31:32,292 --> 00:31:34,292
the city

898
00:31:35,295 --> 00:31:36,296
, but

899
00:31:36,296 --> 00:31:38,298
we've heard that in the past where

900
00:31:38,298 --> 00:31:39,299
they didn't want to do that because

901
00:31:39,299 --> 00:31:40,300
of

902
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:41,301
the difference between what we had

903
00:31:41,301 --> 00:31:42,302
in the county had on that. Because

904
00:31:42,302 --> 00:31:43,303
they

905
00:31:43,303 --> 00:31:44,304
would all of a sudden have to be paying

906
00:31:44,304 --> 00:31:47,307
school taxes that they were not

907
00:31:47,307 --> 00:31:48,308
currently.

908
00:31:48,308 --> 00:31:49,309
>> I'd like to ask a question

909
00:31:49,309 --> 00:31:50,310
for doug. We are an independent school

910
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:52,310
system.

911
00:31:53,313 --> 00:31:55,313
we approved

912
00:31:56,316 --> 00:31:58,318
there millage. It doesn't say

913
00:31:58,318 --> 00:31:59,319
we have to rubberstamp it. According

914
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,319
both

915
00:32:02,322 --> 00:32:04,322
to georgia law

916
00:32:05,259 --> 00:32:09,263
and hours, but they had to make

917
00:32:09,263 --> 00:32:13,463
the decision and would this be considered

918
00:32:14,268 --> 00:32:15,269
a recommendation?

919
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:16,270
>> that's a real

920
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:17,271
good

921
00:32:17,271 --> 00:32:18,272
question. We've got it actually in

922
00:32:18,272 --> 00:32:19,273
our city code at this point as far

923
00:32:19,273 --> 00:32:20,274
as

924
00:32:20,274 --> 00:32:24,474
if you look at marietta city code

925
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,280
part five,

926
00:32:28,282 --> 00:32:29,283
miscellaneous special laws, article

927
00:32:29,283 --> 00:32:32,283
two, special tax exemptions, section

928
00:32:32,286 --> 00:32:33,287
5.202. Homestead exemption for elderly

929
00:32:33,287 --> 00:32:34,288
from ad

930
00:32:34,288 --> 00:32:35,289
valorem taxation purposes. And it

931
00:32:35,289 --> 00:32:37,289
talks about the

932
00:32:37,291 --> 00:32:39,293
one acre, as used in this paragraph,

933
00:32:39,293 --> 00:32:41,295
the term term homestand should have

934
00:32:41,295 --> 00:32:43,295
the specified meaning

935
00:32:44,298 --> 00:32:45,299
by law for state, county and civil

936
00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:47,299
purposes

937
00:32:47,301 --> 00:32:49,303
except that the term should

938
00:32:49,303 --> 00:32:50,304
not include more than one acre of

939
00:32:50,304 --> 00:32:52,304
land immediately surrounding

940
00:32:53,307 --> 00:32:55,307
the residence of

941
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:58,310
the applicant.

942
00:32:59,313 --> 00:33:01,313
>>

943
00:33:02,316 --> 00:33:04,318
that's something we don't think

944
00:33:04,318 --> 00:33:05,252
about much but the independent school

945
00:33:05,252 --> 00:33:08,255
system, 21 of them, and we are

946
00:33:08,255 --> 00:33:10,255
blessed to

947
00:33:11,258 --> 00:33:12,259
have one, the recovery first, the

948
00:33:12,259 --> 00:33:14,259
school system, they

949
00:33:14,261 --> 00:33:17,261
are referring to the 159 county

950
00:33:17,264 --> 00:33:18,265
school systems. Not private schools.

951
00:33:18,265 --> 00:33:20,265
not independent

952
00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:24,271
school system.

953
00:33:24,271 --> 00:33:25,272
>> are you ready for

954
00:33:25,272 --> 00:33:27,272
a

955
00:33:29,276 --> 00:33:31,276
public hearing?

956
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,281
>> are there any facts?

957
00:33:34,281 --> 00:33:35,282
there is a $400,000 difference that

958
00:33:35,282 --> 00:33:36,283
would make this if we did it.

959
00:33:36,283 --> 00:33:38,283
>> it

960
00:33:38,285 --> 00:33:40,287
wouldn't make any difference

961
00:33:40,287 --> 00:33:41,288
to us.

962
00:33:41,288 --> 00:33:42,289
>> to the school system? >>

963
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:43,290
we looked at that in the

964
00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:44,291
city. It's a guess.

965
00:33:44,291 --> 00:33:46,291
>> based on those

966
00:33:47,294 --> 00:33:50,294
residences that have applied thus

967
00:33:50,297 --> 00:33:53,297
far and qualify for the

968
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,300
excess acreage, or greater than

969
00:33:56,303 --> 00:33:57,304
one acre, with

970
00:33:57,304 --> 00:33:59,306
the homestead properties, it's approximately

971
00:33:59,306 --> 00:34:01,306
$150,000 when we

972
00:34:02,309 --> 00:34:04,309
last checked.

973
00:34:05,245 --> 00:34:06,246
there are additional properties that

974
00:34:06,246 --> 00:34:08,246
may qualify

975
00:34:08,248 --> 00:34:10,648
later on but we

976
00:34:11,251 --> 00:34:14,254
don't know, due to the fact that they

977
00:34:14,254 --> 00:34:16,256
have to meet the

978
00:34:16,256 --> 00:34:17,257
age requirement and we don't know

979
00:34:17,257 --> 00:34:19,257
what

980
00:34:19,259 --> 00:34:20,260
the owner's age of older properties

981
00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:22,260
may be

982
00:34:24,264 --> 00:34:25,265
for those particular

983
00:34:25,265 --> 00:34:27,267
properties that qualify from an acreage

984
00:34:27,267 --> 00:34:28,268
standpoint.

985
00:34:28,268 --> 00:34:29,269
>> as somebody

986
00:34:29,269 --> 00:34:30,270
who was annexed into the city, they

987
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:32,270
would pay

988
00:34:33,273 --> 00:34:34,274
more tax.

989
00:34:34,274 --> 00:34:36,274
>> as

990
00:34:36,276 --> 00:34:38,276
far as --

991
00:34:39,279 --> 00:34:40,280
>> school tax. >> if they

992
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,282
were annexed to the city and they

993
00:34:42,282 --> 00:34:43,283
were 10 acres

994
00:34:43,283 --> 00:34:45,285
less, we did 10 acres, they would

995
00:34:45,285 --> 00:34:46,286
pay whatever the difference is

996
00:34:46,286 --> 00:34:49,886
between the county school tax but

997
00:34:53,293 --> 00:34:54,294
they wouldn't pay anything. If they

998
00:34:54,294 --> 00:34:55,295
were 62 andover

999
00:34:55,295 --> 00:34:56,296
they wouldn't pay anything on the

1000
00:34:56,296 --> 00:34:57,297
school so they would come in to be

1001
00:34:57,297 --> 00:34:58,298
exempt from

1002
00:34:58,298 --> 00:35:00,300
the whole thing. If it was 15 they'd

1003
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:01,301
have five would get but if

1004
00:35:01,301 --> 00:35:03,303
they are in the county they'd have

1005
00:35:03,303 --> 00:35:05,703
to pay. If we

1006
00:35:08,242 --> 00:35:09,243
did five than it just depends on the

1007
00:35:09,243 --> 00:35:10,244
size of

1008
00:35:10,244 --> 00:35:11,245
their parcel.

1009
00:35:11,245 --> 00:35:12,246
>> if it's limited to

1010
00:35:12,246 --> 00:35:14,646
one acre, they weren't [

1011
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:17,251
inaudible ]

1012
00:35:17,251 --> 00:35:18,252
>> currently, I was thinking

1013
00:35:18,252 --> 00:35:21,255
if we did that change. Currently

1014
00:35:21,255 --> 00:35:23,257
that's the problem, yes

1015
00:35:23,257 --> 00:35:24,258
or.

1016
00:35:24,258 --> 00:35:25,259
>> they've got up to nine acres

1017
00:35:25,259 --> 00:35:27,261
extra that they've got to

1018
00:35:27,261 --> 00:35:28,262
pay for, that they would not pay for

1019
00:35:28,262 --> 00:35:29,263
in

1020
00:35:29,263 --> 00:35:30,264
the county. That is to discourage

1021
00:35:30,264 --> 00:35:31,265
people from annexing.

1022
00:35:31,265 --> 00:35:32,266
>>

1023
00:35:32,266 --> 00:35:33,267
18 mills, that's a lot of money.

1024
00:35:33,267 --> 00:35:35,267
>>

1025
00:35:39,273 --> 00:35:40,274
yes sir.

1026
00:35:40,274 --> 00:35:41,275
>> we did have that

1027
00:35:41,275 --> 00:35:42,276
problem somewhat with the large annexation

1028
00:35:42,276 --> 00:35:43,277
that we got on the east side of

1029
00:35:43,277 --> 00:35:45,279
town that we just did with beazer

1030
00:35:45,279 --> 00:35:47,679
homes now, that are

1031
00:35:51,285 --> 00:35:53,287
going on. That property was

1032
00:35:53,287 --> 00:35:54,288
a family property, as we are all aware,

1033
00:35:54,288 --> 00:35:56,288
and we talked

1034
00:35:57,291 --> 00:35:58,292
to them years ago

1035
00:35:58,292 --> 00:36:00,294
about annexing them and made them

1036
00:36:00,294 --> 00:36:03,294
want to do with that

1037
00:36:03,297 --> 00:36:04,298
particular time

1038
00:36:04,298 --> 00:36:05,232
because of the extra tax cuts once

1039
00:36:05,232 --> 00:36:06,233
they have. So they basically said

1040
00:36:06,233 --> 00:36:07,234
we'll just

1041
00:36:07,234 --> 00:36:09,236
wait until at some point, if some

1042
00:36:09,236 --> 00:36:10,237
revise it from us, wants to

1043
00:36:10,237 --> 00:36:12,239
develop it, then they can talk to

1044
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
you. Thankfully

1045
00:36:14,241 --> 00:36:15,242
they did.

1046
00:36:15,242 --> 00:36:16,243
>> will you conduct the

1047
00:36:16,243 --> 00:36:17,244
public

1048
00:36:17,244 --> 00:36:18,245
hearing?

1049
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:19,246
>> mayor tumlin and the city

1050
00:36:19,246 --> 00:36:21,246
council have authorized

1051
00:36:21,248 --> 00:36:23,250
a public hearing on item

1052
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:24,251
20250027, on whether or not to increase

1053
00:36:24,251 --> 00:36:26,251
the

1054
00:36:27,254 --> 00:36:29,254
one acre

1055
00:36:29,256 --> 00:36:30,257
exemption to unlimited. If you would

1056
00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:31,258
like to comment on this, please

1057
00:36:31,258 --> 00:36:33,260
come forward and state your name and

1058
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:35,660
address, and address the

1059
00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:41,266
city council.

1060
00:36:42,269 --> 00:36:44,269
>> it's good to

1061
00:36:45,272 --> 00:36:47,274
be here. I'm on this side.

1062
00:36:47,274 --> 00:36:48,275
my name is scott cochran and I'm a

1063
00:36:48,275 --> 00:36:50,675
new marietta resident at 546

1064
00:36:51,278 --> 00:36:53,678
saint john's court over

1065
00:36:54,281 --> 00:36:56,281
in

1066
00:36:59,286 --> 00:37:00,287
oakton. And this directly affect me.

1067
00:37:00,287 --> 00:37:01,288
it affects

1068
00:37:01,288 --> 00:37:03,290
a lot of my neighbors who are here.

1069
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:04,291
our neighborhood is filled with lots.

1070
00:37:04,291 --> 00:37:05,225
they

1071
00:37:05,225 --> 00:37:06,226
are platted lots. They are numbered

1072
00:37:06,226 --> 00:37:07,227
as a single residential lot they are

1073
00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:09,227
over

1074
00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:11,229
and acre and

1075
00:37:12,232 --> 00:37:14,232
our people

1076
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,241
, including myself, are getting older,

1077
00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:23,243
and we are to the point where we would

1078
00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:24,244
qualify for this, due to age. I told

1079
00:37:24,244 --> 00:37:26,246
somebody the other day, one of

1080
00:37:26,246 --> 00:37:27,247
the on the good things that I found

1081
00:37:27,247 --> 00:37:28,248
out so far about getting older is

1082
00:37:28,248 --> 00:37:30,250
maybe I'll get a homestead exemption.

1083
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:31,251
I can't think of anything else that

1084
00:37:31,251 --> 00:37:32,252
happened.

1085
00:37:32,252 --> 00:37:33,253
mr. Mayor, I think you hit the nail

1086
00:37:33,253 --> 00:37:35,653
on the head. This

1087
00:37:36,256 --> 00:37:37,257
to me seems a

1088
00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:39,259
lot like the first issue you guys

1089
00:37:39,259 --> 00:37:41,261
had. I was dealing with this, too.

1090
00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:42,262
a lot of the cities are. One of the

1091
00:37:42,262 --> 00:37:44,264
benefits, the best benefit I've seen

1092
00:37:44,264 --> 00:37:45,265
that I think one of the best benefits

1093
00:37:45,265 --> 00:37:46,266
of being in cobb county is

1094
00:37:46,266 --> 00:37:48,268
living in the city. The cities just

1095
00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:49,269
provide more services. They have more

1096
00:37:49,269 --> 00:37:51,269
grassroots government.

1097
00:37:51,271 --> 00:37:53,271
it's just

1098
00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:56,274
better. And

1099
00:37:56,276 --> 00:37:57,277
I think one of the reasons you guys

1100
00:37:57,277 --> 00:37:59,279
have on the agenda,

1101
00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:00,280
the other issue to opt out of the

1102
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,281
statewide thing is because what you

1103
00:38:01,281 --> 00:38:02,282
already

1104
00:38:02,282 --> 00:38:03,283
do is better. Right? It's just that

1105
00:38:03,283 --> 00:38:04,284
are. It's that way for the other

1106
00:38:04,284 --> 00:38:06,220
cities that had to float an exemption

1107
00:38:06,220 --> 00:38:07,221
but what you guys agreed to do

1108
00:38:07,221 --> 00:38:09,223
years and years ago was better than

1109
00:38:09,223 --> 00:38:12,226
what the state now has agreed to do.

1110
00:38:12,226 --> 00:38:13,227
so you opt out of that but

1111
00:38:13,227 --> 00:38:15,229
this is a similar thing. But it's

1112
00:38:15,229 --> 00:38:16,230
a little bit different because times

1113
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:18,230
have changed

1114
00:38:18,232 --> 00:38:19,233
so you guys have your own school board,

1115
00:38:19,233 --> 00:38:20,234
you're

1116
00:38:20,234 --> 00:38:21,235
the only city in the county that's

1117
00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:23,237
got its own school

1118
00:38:23,237 --> 00:38:24,238
system, right? But now there's a tax

1119
00:38:24,238 --> 00:38:26,238
benefit for residents

1120
00:38:27,241 --> 00:38:29,243
as far as school taxes

1121
00:38:29,243 --> 00:38:30,244
are concerned for residents living

1122
00:38:30,244 --> 00:38:32,246
in the county over

1123
00:38:32,246 --> 00:38:33,247
residents living in the city of marietta.

1124
00:38:33,247 --> 00:38:36,250
and when you said about somebody being

1125
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:39,250
annexed so if someone lives

1126
00:38:39,253 --> 00:38:41,253
on a five

1127
00:38:42,256 --> 00:38:44,656
acre site in cobb

1128
00:38:45,259 --> 00:38:47,259
county and they

1129
00:38:48,262 --> 00:38:50,264
get annexed in marietta,

1130
00:38:50,264 --> 00:38:51,265
right now the way your law is set

1131
00:38:51,265 --> 00:38:53,265
up, that's a

1132
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:57,271
huge disadvantage because they go

1133
00:38:57,271 --> 00:38:58,272
from being exempt from cobb school

1134
00:38:58,272 --> 00:38:59,273
taxes

1135
00:38:59,273 --> 00:39:00,274
to having to pay marietta school taxes.

1136
00:39:00,274 --> 00:39:01,275
that's a disincentive for people to

1137
00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:02,276
live in

1138
00:39:02,276 --> 00:39:03,277
the city. And I know that the cities

1139
00:39:03,277 --> 00:39:06,213
--I think all of them,

1140
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:09,216
I learned a lot in the discussions

1141
00:39:09,216 --> 00:39:11,216
about what cities

1142
00:39:11,218 --> 00:39:12,219
offer over and above what the county

1143
00:39:12,219 --> 00:39:14,219
offers,

1144
00:39:14,221 --> 00:39:15,222
and this is the only thing that I've

1145
00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:18,222
seen out there that's just

1146
00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:22,425
a disconnect. This is one of the

1147
00:39:24,231 --> 00:39:25,232
few things

1148
00:39:25,232 --> 00:39:27,234
where county residents have an advantage

1149
00:39:27,234 --> 00:39:28,235
over city residents. As a practical

1150
00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:30,235
matter, I don't

1151
00:39:30,237 --> 00:39:32,237
think it's going

1152
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,240
to cost

1153
00:39:35,242 --> 00:39:36,243
the school system any money. I don't.

1154
00:39:36,243 --> 00:39:38,245
I heard the $100,000 or

1155
00:39:38,245 --> 00:39:39,246
so estimate but the problem with that

1156
00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:42,249
I think is that people can come in

1157
00:39:42,249 --> 00:39:44,249
and carve out

1158
00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:47,252
some of

1159
00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:49,256
that. They can carve out, somebody

1160
00:39:49,256 --> 00:39:50,257
lives on a

1161
00:39:50,257 --> 00:39:51,258
five acre tract, they can come in

1162
00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:53,260
and carve out for acres and one

1163
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:54,261
acre, and get it replanted, and usually

1164
00:39:54,261 --> 00:39:56,263
what's remaining is going to be a

1165
00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:57,264
lot less valuable than where the house

1166
00:39:57,264 --> 00:39:59,266
is built. Where we are, there's creeks

1167
00:39:59,266 --> 00:40:00,267
and things running through, so our

1168
00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,268
excess property is on buildable. It's

1169
00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:02,269
nice to

1170
00:40:02,269 --> 00:40:03,270
have but it's on buildable. It's not

1171
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:04,271
worth the same as the property where

1172
00:40:04,271 --> 00:40:06,206
the

1173
00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:07,207
houses are. So somebody did a deep

1174
00:40:07,207 --> 00:40:08,208
study, I don't

1175
00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:10,210
think it's going to cost any money

1176
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:12,210
to the

1177
00:40:13,213 --> 00:40:14,214
school system. You

1178
00:40:14,214 --> 00:40:16,216
know what you guys have known here

1179
00:40:16,216 --> 00:40:18,216
is fantastic.

1180
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:22,222
the way the squares operate now, and

1181
00:40:22,222 --> 00:40:24,222
thriving. The way

1182
00:40:26,226 --> 00:40:27,227
the neighborhoods, your oversight

1183
00:40:27,227 --> 00:40:28,228
zoning and annexations is great. This

1184
00:40:28,228 --> 00:40:29,229
is just

1185
00:40:29,229 --> 00:40:31,231
something that I think needs to be

1186
00:40:31,231 --> 00:40:33,231
fixed,

1187
00:40:34,234 --> 00:40:36,634
and I don't see

1188
00:40:37,237 --> 00:40:39,237
really

1189
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,240
any downside

1190
00:40:42,242 --> 00:40:43,243
and I think is consistent with other

1191
00:40:43,243 --> 00:40:44,244
things

1192
00:40:44,244 --> 00:40:45,245
that you are doing. That's my two

1193
00:40:45,245 --> 00:40:49,249
cents. I didn't ever expect to be

1194
00:40:49,249 --> 00:40:52,249
here on this side of

1195
00:40:52,252 --> 00:40:53,253
the podium but I

1196
00:40:53,253 --> 00:40:55,255
am. I'll tell you guys, I'm very happy

1197
00:40:55,255 --> 00:40:57,257
to be a marietta resident now. I

1198
00:40:57,257 --> 00:40:58,258
appreciate all of you.

1199
00:40:58,258 --> 00:40:59,259
>> thank you.

1200
00:40:59,259 --> 00:41:01,259
the closed session,

1201
00:41:01,261 --> 00:41:02,262
what was the date on that?

1202
00:41:02,262 --> 00:41:04,262
>>

1203
00:41:04,264 --> 00:41:06,664
it's old. Things have

1204
00:41:10,270 --> 00:41:11,271
changed.

1205
00:41:11,271 --> 00:41:12,272
>>

1206
00:41:12,272 --> 00:41:13,273
you give 10% off the top to the school

1207
00:41:13,273 --> 00:41:15,273
system. This thing

1208
00:41:16,276 --> 00:41:19,276
we chiseled out other things.

1209
00:41:22,282 --> 00:41:24,282
>> 1980. >> 1980? >> yes sir. >>

1210
00:41:25,285 --> 00:41:27,685
one year out of

1211
00:41:28,288 --> 00:41:30,288
high

1212
00:41:31,291 --> 00:41:33,291
school.

1213
00:41:34,294 --> 00:41:35,295
>> bill

1214
00:41:35,295 --> 00:41:37,297
w was around 12 mills and when the

1215
00:41:37,297 --> 00:41:40,297
state around 1980 raises it 20, we

1216
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:43,303
must have been --I just think

1217
00:41:43,303 --> 00:41:45,703
I'm real curious, not

1218
00:41:46,306 --> 00:41:48,706
many things we let

1219
00:41:52,312 --> 00:41:53,313
the county leave to someone

1220
00:41:53,313 --> 00:41:54,314
as far as taking care of taxing.

1221
00:41:54,314 --> 00:41:55,315
>>

1222
00:41:55,315 --> 00:41:56,316
I'll say I'm not exactly sure it's

1223
00:41:56,316 --> 00:41:58,318
1980, but the way it phrases it, it

1224
00:41:58,318 --> 00:41:59,319
says the exemption provided for all

1225
00:41:59,319 --> 00:42:00,320
years

1226
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,321
beginning after december 31st, 1980.

1227
00:42:01,321 --> 00:42:03,321
that's referring

1228
00:42:04,324 --> 00:42:06,724
to 1980. When it was

1229
00:42:07,261 --> 00:42:08,262
passed.

1230
00:42:08,262 --> 00:42:09,263
>> so that was done in 1979.

1231
00:42:09,263 --> 00:42:10,264
>>

1232
00:42:10,264 --> 00:42:11,265
mr. Mayor?

1233
00:42:11,265 --> 00:42:13,265
>>

1234
00:42:13,267 --> 00:42:14,268
yes sir.

1235
00:42:14,268 --> 00:42:15,269
>> it looked like it was

1236
00:42:15,269 --> 00:42:16,270
an amendment to the constitution that

1237
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:17,271
allowed it to happen back in

1238
00:42:17,271 --> 00:42:19,273
1980 because it refers back to a georgia

1239
00:42:19,273 --> 00:42:21,273
law, 1980,

1240
00:42:25,279 --> 00:42:26,280
page 2123.

1241
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,280
>> two

1242
00:42:28,282 --> 00:42:30,682
jurisdictions side-by-side. Mr. Wills,

1243
00:42:34,288 --> 00:42:36,288
your next.

1244
00:42:40,294 --> 00:42:41,295
>> larry wills,

1245
00:42:41,295 --> 00:42:43,297
60 oakmont drive, marietta, georgia.

1246
00:42:43,297 --> 00:42:46,300
I'm going to read a statement

1247
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,303
and then turn it in as

1248
00:42:49,303 --> 00:42:51,305
part of the record for this

1249
00:42:51,305 --> 00:42:52,306
public hearing. I'm reading it because

1250
00:42:52,306 --> 00:42:54,306
this is kind

1251
00:42:55,309 --> 00:42:57,309
of complicated. I

1252
00:42:58,312 --> 00:43:01,315
have long relayed to the marietta

1253
00:43:01,315 --> 00:43:03,715
city council the importance

1254
00:43:07,254 --> 00:43:09,254
of maintaining

1255
00:43:11,258 --> 00:43:12,259
a low density residential buffer around

1256
00:43:12,259 --> 00:43:13,260
kennesaw mountain national park. Numerous

1257
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:14,261
studies over the

1258
00:43:14,261 --> 00:43:17,261
years reveal such buffers provide

1259
00:43:17,264 --> 00:43:19,266
a vital transitional zone between

1260
00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:21,266
development

1261
00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:25,269
areas and national parkland. So

1262
00:43:25,272 --> 00:43:28,272
far my diss suggestions have

1263
00:43:28,275 --> 00:43:31,278
fallen on deaf ears. At the

1264
00:43:31,278 --> 00:43:32,279
december 19 committee meeting, the

1265
00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:34,279
city

1266
00:43:34,281 --> 00:43:36,281
council released

1267
00:43:37,284 --> 00:43:39,284
ledger

1268
00:43:40,287 --> 00:43:42,687
star 20241136. This document revealed

1269
00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:45,290
another threat to

1270
00:43:49,296 --> 00:43:50,297
kennesaw mountain I had not

1271
00:43:50,297 --> 00:43:52,297
previously considered. Waitlisted

1272
00:43:52,299 --> 00:43:54,299
150 properties greater than

1273
00:43:58,305 --> 00:43:59,306
one acre currently receiving school

1274
00:43:59,306 --> 00:44:00,307
tax exemptions.

1275
00:44:00,307 --> 00:44:01,308
a school tax exemption is available

1276
00:44:01,308 --> 00:44:03,308
to any

1277
00:44:05,245 --> 00:44:07,247
owner-occupied property owner 62 years

1278
00:44:07,247 --> 00:44:09,247
of age or

1279
00:44:09,249 --> 00:44:10,250
older, but the school tax exemption

1280
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:13,253
is granted for no more than

1281
00:44:13,253 --> 00:44:15,253
one acre of

1282
00:44:16,256 --> 00:44:18,656
a multi-acre parcel. Apparently

1283
00:44:19,259 --> 00:44:21,259
the

1284
00:44:22,262 --> 00:44:23,263
150 parcels were receiving exemptions

1285
00:44:23,263 --> 00:44:25,263
for

1286
00:44:25,265 --> 00:44:27,265
their

1287
00:44:27,267 --> 00:44:28,268
entire acreage, for how long, I don't

1288
00:44:28,268 --> 00:44:30,268
know. The

1289
00:44:31,271 --> 00:44:33,271
exemption amounts range

1290
00:44:34,274 --> 00:44:36,274
from $36-$7000. 28

1291
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,281
range between $1000 and $5000. The

1292
00:44:41,281 --> 00:44:43,281
remainder

1293
00:44:46,286 --> 00:44:47,287
range between $36 and $998. Most of

1294
00:44:47,287 --> 00:44:49,287
the large parcels

1295
00:44:51,291 --> 00:44:52,292
have developed as a type of defective

1296
00:44:52,292 --> 00:44:54,292
density buffer

1297
00:44:55,295 --> 00:44:57,295
adjacent to and

1298
00:44:58,298 --> 00:45:00,698
in close proximity to

1299
00:45:01,301 --> 00:45:02,302
kennesaw mountain. If

1300
00:45:02,302 --> 00:45:04,304
you look at the street addresses,

1301
00:45:04,304 --> 00:45:06,240
they are most around,

1302
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:07,241
right up against the mountain. It

1303
00:45:07,241 --> 00:45:08,242
is

1304
00:45:08,242 --> 00:45:10,244
assumed that these parcels will be

1305
00:45:10,244 --> 00:45:12,244
reappraised to correct

1306
00:45:13,247 --> 00:45:16,250
this mistake and will motivate some

1307
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:18,650
property owners to subdivide

1308
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:21,253
and develop

1309
00:45:22,256 --> 00:45:24,256
their property

1310
00:45:25,259 --> 00:45:26,260
to relieve their new tax burden. Instead

1311
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:28,262
of suddenly hitting these property

1312
00:45:28,262 --> 00:45:30,262
owners

1313
00:45:31,265 --> 00:45:32,266
with higher taxes, the city council

1314
00:45:32,266 --> 00:45:34,266
and/or the

1315
00:45:34,268 --> 00:45:36,668
impacted residents have several

1316
00:45:40,274 --> 00:45:42,274
possible actions

1317
00:45:43,277 --> 00:45:44,278
. They

1318
00:45:44,278 --> 00:45:46,280
could establish a low-density zoning

1319
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,281
buffer around the park and offer a

1320
00:45:47,281 --> 00:45:49,281
property tax exemption

1321
00:45:49,283 --> 00:45:53,287
to all property owners who agree to

1322
00:45:53,287 --> 00:45:55,287
manage their property

1323
00:45:55,289 --> 00:45:56,290
in accordance to buffer standards.

1324
00:45:56,290 --> 00:45:57,291
the other option

1325
00:45:57,291 --> 00:45:59,293
for residencies the formation of a

1326
00:45:59,293 --> 00:46:01,293
special

1327
00:46:02,296 --> 00:46:04,296
taxing district.

1328
00:46:05,232 --> 00:46:07,632
state statutes authorize special

1329
00:46:08,235 --> 00:46:10,235
taxing districts

1330
00:46:11,238 --> 00:46:12,239
and specify their powers and

1331
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,639
duties, governance, structure, and

1332
00:46:17,244 --> 00:46:19,644
other things that regulate

1333
00:46:20,247 --> 00:46:22,247
their

1334
00:46:23,250 --> 00:46:24,251
land-use and they could also

1335
00:46:24,251 --> 00:46:26,253
enforce building codes among other

1336
00:46:26,253 --> 00:46:28,253
items.

1337
00:46:28,255 --> 00:46:30,655
special assessment programs include

1338
00:46:32,259 --> 00:46:34,259
landmark historic

1339
00:46:35,262 --> 00:46:37,662
property, may qualify for

1340
00:46:38,265 --> 00:46:40,267
preferential assessments where the

1341
00:46:40,267 --> 00:46:41,268
property has been certified by local

1342
00:46:41,268 --> 00:46:43,268
government as

1343
00:46:44,271 --> 00:46:46,271
landmark heritage property

1344
00:46:47,274 --> 00:46:49,274
and where local

1345
00:46:50,277 --> 00:46:52,277
ordinance extend the

1346
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,280
preferential assessment. Special

1347
00:46:57,284 --> 00:46:59,286
taxing districts. There are other

1348
00:46:59,286 --> 00:47:01,286
special assessment programs

1349
00:47:02,289 --> 00:47:03,290
available to

1350
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:05,225
property owners whereby property can

1351
00:47:05,225 --> 00:47:08,225
be reassessed at its current

1352
00:47:08,228 --> 00:47:11,231
use value rather than the fair

1353
00:47:11,231 --> 00:47:13,231
market value.

1354
00:47:14,234 --> 00:47:16,236
qualifying properties must be maintained

1355
00:47:16,236 --> 00:47:17,237
and that the current use for a period

1356
00:47:17,237 --> 00:47:19,237
of

1357
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,240
10 years. These special

1358
00:47:22,242 --> 00:47:23,243
programs include environmental sensitive

1359
00:47:23,243 --> 00:47:25,243
property,

1360
00:47:26,246 --> 00:47:28,246
forest land

1361
00:47:29,249 --> 00:47:31,249
property, and

1362
00:47:32,252 --> 00:47:34,252
something

1363
00:47:38,258 --> 00:47:40,258
else. Residential transitional

1364
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:41,261
properties. These properties can be

1365
00:47:41,261 --> 00:47:43,261
assessed

1366
00:47:43,263 --> 00:47:46,266
at its current use value rather than

1367
00:47:46,266 --> 00:47:47,267
fair market value, when it is used

1368
00:47:47,267 --> 00:47:49,267
for

1369
00:47:49,269 --> 00:47:50,270
residential purposes but located in

1370
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:52,270
an area that

1371
00:47:53,273 --> 00:47:55,673
is changing to or

1372
00:47:56,276 --> 00:47:59,276
being developed for a use

1373
00:47:59,279 --> 00:48:02,279
other than residential. It's my

1374
00:48:02,282 --> 00:48:04,282
belief that

1375
00:48:05,219 --> 00:48:07,221
some of these actions

1376
00:48:07,221 --> 00:48:08,222
are not taken to create a low-density

1377
00:48:08,222 --> 00:48:10,222
buffer around

1378
00:48:11,225 --> 00:48:13,227
kennesaw mountain national battlefield

1379
00:48:13,227 --> 00:48:14,228
park. I fear that in 20 years or so

1380
00:48:14,228 --> 00:48:16,228
the roofs

1381
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:17,231
of townhomes will replace the tree

1382
00:48:17,231 --> 00:48:19,231
canopy

1383
00:48:19,233 --> 00:48:23,237
in marietta and extend right up to

1384
00:48:23,237 --> 00:48:25,237
the

1385
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,241
park's boundaries

1386
00:48:27,241 --> 00:48:29,243
. Two things are already foreshadowing

1387
00:48:29,243 --> 00:48:31,643
the looming degradation of

1388
00:48:32,246 --> 00:48:35,249
the parkland. Traffic is backing up

1389
00:48:35,249 --> 00:48:38,252
all the way from barrick parkway

1390
00:48:38,252 --> 00:48:40,252
to the park's

1391
00:48:40,254 --> 00:48:41,255
trailhead and trail crossing on bert

1392
00:48:41,255 --> 00:48:43,257
hickory, and a little

1393
00:48:43,257 --> 00:48:44,258
over a month ago a deer struck my

1394
00:48:44,258 --> 00:48:46,258
daughter's car

1395
00:48:47,261 --> 00:48:48,262
at the

1396
00:48:48,262 --> 00:48:50,264
intersection of polk street and burnt

1397
00:48:50,264 --> 00:48:52,264
hickory,

1398
00:48:53,267 --> 00:48:55,267
causing $6000 in

1399
00:48:55,269 --> 00:48:56,270
damages. These situations and other

1400
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:58,270
negative

1401
00:48:59,273 --> 00:49:01,275
impacts to open space

1402
00:49:01,275 --> 00:49:04,875
enjoyment will only increase if action

1403
00:49:05,212 --> 00:49:07,212
is not taken.

1404
00:49:08,215 --> 00:49:09,216
thank you.

1405
00:49:09,216 --> 00:49:10,217
>> next speaker, anyone

1406
00:49:10,217 --> 00:49:11,218
else that would like to address this

1407
00:49:11,218 --> 00:49:14,218
matter? Please come forward, raise

1408
00:49:14,221 --> 00:49:17,224
your hand. City council, the public

1409
00:49:17,224 --> 00:49:19,224
hearing

1410
00:49:20,227 --> 00:49:22,227
is closed.

1411
00:49:26,233 --> 00:49:27,234
>> we

1412
00:49:27,234 --> 00:49:29,236
would have two more public hearings.

1413
00:49:29,236 --> 00:49:30,237
we'd have one at our next meeting,

1414
00:49:30,237 --> 00:49:31,238
our regular

1415
00:49:31,238 --> 00:49:32,239
meeting, which will be coming up in

1416
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,239
two

1417
00:49:35,242 --> 00:49:37,242
weeks

1418
00:49:37,244 --> 00:49:38,245
and then we would have one in our

1419
00:49:38,245 --> 00:49:39,246
community meetings in february. And

1420
00:49:39,246 --> 00:49:40,247
then at

1421
00:49:40,247 --> 00:49:41,248
that committee meeting in february

1422
00:49:41,248 --> 00:49:42,249
that would be a special called meeting

1423
00:49:42,249 --> 00:49:43,250
by the

1424
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:44,251
mayor if the mayor so chose and could

1425
00:49:44,251 --> 00:49:46,253
be voted on at that particular time,

1426
00:49:46,253 --> 00:49:47,254
since we would have two handy in our

1427
00:49:47,254 --> 00:49:48,255
decision before march 1st.

1428
00:49:48,255 --> 00:49:50,255
>>

1429
00:49:50,257 --> 00:49:53,257
and the next 20s --

1430
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:56,263
the next public hearing is when?

1431
00:49:56,263 --> 00:49:57,264
>> it's our committee, the 12th. The

1432
00:49:57,264 --> 00:49:59,264
regular

1433
00:50:02,269 --> 00:50:04,269
council meeting

1434
00:50:04,271 --> 00:50:05,205
.

1435
00:50:05,205 --> 00:50:06,206
>> [ inaudible ] work session? >>

1436
00:50:06,206 --> 00:50:07,207
it's actually going to

1437
00:50:07,207 --> 00:50:08,208
be at 6:30 before the 7:00 council

1438
00:50:08,208 --> 00:50:09,209
meeting on wednesday.

1439
00:50:09,209 --> 00:50:11,209
>>

1440
00:50:11,211 --> 00:50:13,611
well then I'd like

1441
00:50:14,214 --> 00:50:16,214
to adjourn

1442
00:50:17,217 --> 00:50:19,217
the

1443
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:23,220
meeting and turned the ball

1444
00:50:23,223 --> 00:50:24,224
over. Which one are you?

1445
00:50:24,224 --> 00:50:25,225
>> at this

1446
00:50:25,225 --> 00:50:26,226
time I'd

1447
00:50:26,226 --> 00:50:27,227
like to call the finance committee

1448
00:50:27,227 --> 00:50:29,227
meeting

1449
00:50:29,229 --> 00:50:32,232
to order. The first item is to

1450
00:50:32,232 --> 00:50:34,232
approve the

1451
00:50:34,234 --> 00:50:35,235
minutes from december 19th.

1452
00:50:35,235 --> 00:50:36,236
>> I'll

1453
00:50:36,236 --> 00:50:38,236
make a motion

1454
00:50:38,238 --> 00:50:41,241
to approve the revised minutes that

1455
00:50:41,241 --> 00:50:46,410
we have a copy of on our desk.

1456
00:50:47,247 --> 00:50:48,248
>> second. >> all those in favor say

1457
00:50:48,248 --> 00:50:50,248
by

1458
00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:51,251
raising your hand.

1459
00:50:51,251 --> 00:50:53,251
>> all

1460
00:50:53,253 --> 00:50:54,254
right. So moved.

1461
00:50:54,254 --> 00:50:56,254
>>

1462
00:50:56,256 --> 00:51:00,456
all right. The next item on the

1463
00:51:02,262 --> 00:51:04,662
agenda is --are the

1464
00:51:05,265 --> 00:51:07,265
hotel motel

1465
00:51:11,271 --> 00:51:13,273
tax and --did we

1466
00:51:13,273 --> 00:51:14,274
take all four of those?

1467
00:51:14,274 --> 00:51:15,275
>> yes or.

1468
00:51:15,275 --> 00:51:17,277
I can take all

1469
00:51:17,277 --> 00:51:20,277
four of those together. The

1470
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,281
first one is

1471
00:51:21,281 --> 00:51:23,283
the hotel/motel. The december collections

1472
00:51:23,283 --> 00:51:26,286
are the highest they have been

1473
00:51:26,286 --> 00:51:29,286
in the last four year

1474
00:51:29,289 --> 00:51:32,289
period, with the collections of

1475
00:51:35,295 --> 00:51:36,296
december at 274,000. The year to date

1476
00:51:36,296 --> 00:51:38,298
collections are comparable to

1477
00:51:38,298 --> 00:51:40,298
the 2023 --sorry, the 2024

1478
00:51:43,303 --> 00:51:44,304
numbers. So your debate, so we are

1479
00:51:44,304 --> 00:51:48,308
still in line as we have been

1480
00:51:48,308 --> 00:51:51,311
for the prior year. For the auto

1481
00:51:51,311 --> 00:51:54,314
rental, the total for the month

1482
00:51:54,314 --> 00:51:56,314
is $170,877. If you

1483
00:51:58,318 --> 00:52:00,320
remove the payments from the november

1484
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,321
that I reported on

1485
00:52:01,321 --> 00:52:02,322
last month's presentation, stating

1486
00:52:02,322 --> 00:52:03,323
that there were some payments that

1487
00:52:03,323 --> 00:52:05,259
came

1488
00:52:05,259 --> 00:52:06,260
in late, so they were reported in

1489
00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:07,261
december. If

1490
00:52:07,261 --> 00:52:09,263
you remove those and reassign them

1491
00:52:09,263 --> 00:52:11,263
back to november

1492
00:52:14,268 --> 00:52:15,269
you'll have 128,000 for the month

1493
00:52:15,269 --> 00:52:16,270
of

1494
00:52:16,270 --> 00:52:18,272
december. So the year to date collections

1495
00:52:18,272 --> 00:52:20,672
are about $30,000 less than

1496
00:52:21,275 --> 00:52:23,277
last year. And we

1497
00:52:23,277 --> 00:52:26,877
continue to exceed the budgeted collections

1498
00:52:30,284 --> 00:52:31,285
by almost 31%. The

1499
00:52:31,285 --> 00:52:32,286
current year to date collections,

1500
00:52:32,286 --> 00:52:33,287
and this is total collections between

1501
00:52:33,287 --> 00:52:35,289
the two, are not

1502
00:52:35,289 --> 00:52:36,290
as great but they are still higher,

1503
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:38,290
24%

1504
00:52:42,296 --> 00:52:44,296
higher than

1505
00:52:47,301 --> 00:52:48,302
fy '23, year to date. So although

1506
00:52:48,302 --> 00:52:49,303
we are not exceeding

1507
00:52:49,303 --> 00:52:50,304
the '24 numbers, we are exceeding

1508
00:52:50,304 --> 00:52:51,305
'23. And the consumer reports indicate

1509
00:52:51,305 --> 00:52:52,306
that we were

1510
00:52:52,306 --> 00:52:54,308
kind of looking at some of the aspects

1511
00:52:54,308 --> 00:52:55,309
of the auto

1512
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:57,311
rental and rideshare has had an impact

1513
00:52:57,311 --> 00:53:00,311
on that as well as

1514
00:53:00,314 --> 00:53:02,314
the

1515
00:53:03,317 --> 00:53:05,252
overall economy

1516
00:53:05,252 --> 00:53:06,253
is slowing so we are trying to take

1517
00:53:06,253 --> 00:53:08,253
a

1518
00:53:08,255 --> 00:53:09,256
look at that and see how that is trending, and

1519
00:53:09,256 --> 00:53:10,257
how that will go forward,

1520
00:53:10,257 --> 00:53:12,259
and how we will implement that into

1521
00:53:12,259 --> 00:53:15,262
the '26 budget. Then we'll have the

1522
00:53:15,262 --> 00:53:17,264
finance report, I'll take the finance

1523
00:53:17,264 --> 00:53:20,267
update and a quarterly report all

1524
00:53:20,267 --> 00:53:21,268
at once. The quarterly report, if

1525
00:53:21,268 --> 00:53:23,268
you look

1526
00:53:24,271 --> 00:53:26,271
on

1527
00:53:26,273 --> 00:53:27,274
page 4, for the revenue, total revenue

1528
00:53:27,274 --> 00:53:29,274
is 61%

1529
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,281
to budget, primarily to the property

1530
00:53:34,281 --> 00:53:36,283
tax deadline that was back in october.

1531
00:53:36,283 --> 00:53:39,283
so we've received about 94% of

1532
00:53:39,286 --> 00:53:41,286
property tax collections.

1533
00:53:45,292 --> 00:53:47,292
why oldie

1534
00:53:47,294 --> 00:53:48,295
personal property taxes is lagging

1535
00:53:48,295 --> 00:53:49,296
behind, so that's only a

1536
00:53:49,296 --> 00:53:51,298
52% collection. So we will work on

1537
00:53:51,298 --> 00:53:53,298
that

1538
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:54,301
as we get closer to the end of the

1539
00:53:54,301 --> 00:53:56,301
fiscal year. There

1540
00:53:59,306 --> 00:54:00,307
is a positive uptick in the commercial

1541
00:54:00,307 --> 00:54:02,307
and residential

1542
00:54:03,310 --> 00:54:05,245
building permits over prior

1543
00:54:05,245 --> 00:54:06,246
year and that's a good sign for construction

1544
00:54:06,246 --> 00:54:08,248
as we go into the spring and

1545
00:54:08,248 --> 00:54:09,249
summer months, all the way into fall.

1546
00:54:09,249 --> 00:54:11,249
business

1547
00:54:12,252 --> 00:54:15,252
license revenue will increase as

1548
00:54:15,255 --> 00:54:17,655
we are currently in

1549
00:54:21,261 --> 00:54:23,261
the renewal

1550
00:54:23,263 --> 00:54:24,264
season. So the next couple of months

1551
00:54:24,264 --> 00:54:25,265
will be the heaviest portion

1552
00:54:25,265 --> 00:54:26,266
of renewal season for business license

1553
00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:27,267
and that revenue will show for the

1554
00:54:27,267 --> 00:54:29,267
end

1555
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:32,270
of q3. And

1556
00:54:33,273 --> 00:54:35,273
then

1557
00:54:39,279 --> 00:54:40,280
lastly, all all

1558
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,281
other revenue areas such as charges

1559
00:54:41,281 --> 00:54:42,282
for services, fines, and other transfers,

1560
00:54:42,282 --> 00:54:44,282
are all in

1561
00:54:45,285 --> 00:54:46,286
line as we look at through period

1562
00:54:46,286 --> 00:54:48,286
six, where

1563
00:54:48,288 --> 00:54:50,288
approximately 50% through

1564
00:54:51,291 --> 00:54:52,292
the budget. And then same with the

1565
00:54:52,292 --> 00:54:54,292
expenditures.

1566
00:54:54,294 --> 00:54:57,894
there is no big markers for

1567
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,300
the expenditures.

1568
00:55:03,303 --> 00:55:04,304
we are able --it seems most of the

1569
00:55:04,304 --> 00:55:05,239
departments

1570
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,240
are able to utilize their capital

1571
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,243
funds. Previously we've had a delay

1572
00:55:09,243 --> 00:55:10,244
in that,

1573
00:55:10,244 --> 00:55:12,246
being able to receive products. We

1574
00:55:12,246 --> 00:55:15,249
haven't seemed to have that issue

1575
00:55:15,249 --> 00:55:16,250
this year so we've

1576
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:18,252
been able to move through those funds

1577
00:55:18,252 --> 00:55:20,252
and

1578
00:55:20,254 --> 00:55:21,255
encumber those fairly quickly, so

1579
00:55:21,255 --> 00:55:23,257
we are in line

1580
00:55:23,257 --> 00:55:27,261
with that, as well. And that concludes

1581
00:55:27,261 --> 00:55:28,262
my report.

1582
00:55:28,262 --> 00:55:30,262
>>

1583
00:55:30,264 --> 00:55:32,264
so do

1584
00:55:33,267 --> 00:55:35,267
we need

1585
00:55:36,270 --> 00:55:37,271
a motion?

1586
00:55:37,271 --> 00:55:38,272
>> you need a motion to

1587
00:55:38,272 --> 00:55:39,273
receive

1588
00:55:39,273 --> 00:55:41,673
and file, which I

1589
00:55:42,276 --> 00:55:44,276
so make.

1590
00:55:51,285 --> 00:55:52,286
>> are

1591
00:55:52,286 --> 00:55:53,287
we adjourned?

1592
00:55:53,287 --> 00:55:54,288
>> nothing else on the

1593
00:55:54,288 --> 00:55:55,289
finance report?

1594
00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:57,289
>> call to order

1595
00:55:57,291 --> 00:55:58,292
the personnel insurance committee.

1596
00:55:58,292 --> 00:56:00,292
on our

1597
00:56:00,294 --> 00:56:02,294
agenda

1598
00:56:03,297 --> 00:56:05,232
is the

1599
00:56:05,232 --> 00:56:06,233
amendments from the december 19th

1600
00:56:06,233 --> 00:56:07,234
meeting. Do I hear a motion?

1601
00:56:07,234 --> 00:56:08,235
>>

1602
00:56:08,235 --> 00:56:09,236
I'll make a motion to approve the

1603
00:56:09,236 --> 00:56:10,237
meeting minutes.

1604
00:56:10,237 --> 00:56:12,237
>> second. >> revised

1605
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,240
copy.

1606
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,240
>> the minutes have

1607
00:56:15,242 --> 00:56:17,242
been revised.

1608
00:56:18,245 --> 00:56:21,245
at the top I changed

1609
00:56:21,248 --> 00:56:22,249
it.

1610
00:56:22,249 --> 00:56:24,249
>>

1611
00:56:24,251 --> 00:56:26,251
over

1612
00:56:27,254 --> 00:56:28,255
here.

1613
00:56:28,255 --> 00:56:30,255
>> the revised agenda.

1614
00:56:32,259 --> 00:56:33,260
meeting minutes.

1615
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:35,260
>> second. >> all

1616
00:56:36,263 --> 00:56:38,263
in favor. Thank

1617
00:56:39,266 --> 00:56:41,266
you, joseph.

1618
00:56:42,269 --> 00:56:44,269
appointed officials compensation

1619
00:56:45,272 --> 00:56:46,273
and contracts?

1620
00:56:46,273 --> 00:56:48,273
>> hr direct

1621
00:56:48,275 --> 00:56:50,275
are coming

1622
00:56:51,278 --> 00:56:52,279
down.

1623
00:56:52,279 --> 00:56:54,281
>> good evening. I'd like

1624
00:56:54,281 --> 00:56:56,283
to request that we move this to a

1625
00:56:56,283 --> 00:56:57,284
brief executive session, if that's

1626
00:56:57,284 --> 00:56:58,285
okay?

1627
00:56:58,285 --> 00:57:00,287
>> that would be the end

1628
00:57:00,287 --> 00:57:01,288
of tonight, I guess do that as part

1629
00:57:01,288 --> 00:57:03,288
of

1630
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:05,290
the general council

1631
00:57:06,226 --> 00:57:07,227
session.

1632
00:57:07,227 --> 00:57:09,227
>> anybody

1633
00:57:09,229 --> 00:57:11,629
got a problem with

1634
00:57:12,232 --> 00:57:14,232
that?

1635
00:57:15,235 --> 00:57:16,236
okay. So we are moving on to the ethics

1636
00:57:16,236 --> 00:57:18,236
committee council

1637
00:57:18,238 --> 00:57:19,239
report .

1638
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,241
>> yes or. You've got, as

1639
00:57:21,241 --> 00:57:24,244
you can see down there, you've got

1640
00:57:24,244 --> 00:57:26,644
two different ones .1 is

1641
00:57:27,247 --> 00:57:29,247
the mayor

1642
00:57:33,253 --> 00:57:35,255
's appointment, which would be

1643
00:57:35,255 --> 00:57:36,256
next, this one is the council appointment.

1644
00:57:36,256 --> 00:57:37,257
we currently do have individuals serving

1645
00:57:37,257 --> 00:57:38,258
in both

1646
00:57:38,258 --> 00:57:39,259
of those seats at the current time.

1647
00:57:39,259 --> 00:57:41,261
from what we can tell, both of them

1648
00:57:41,261 --> 00:57:43,263
would be willing to continue on that.

1649
00:57:43,263 --> 00:57:44,264
but they both run out in the

1650
00:57:44,264 --> 00:57:46,266
next two months so the first one,

1651
00:57:46,266 --> 00:57:47,267
like I said, is the one kelly is

1652
00:57:47,267 --> 00:57:48,268
serving in currently and that's a

1653
00:57:48,268 --> 00:57:49,269
two year term go until 2027.

1654
00:57:49,269 --> 00:57:50,270
>> and

1655
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:52,272
I make a motion to approve michelle

1656
00:57:52,272 --> 00:57:54,272
cooper kelly

1657
00:57:55,275 --> 00:57:58,275
to another two year term?

1658
00:57:59,279 --> 00:58:01,281
>> second. >> all in favor? The next

1659
00:58:01,281 --> 00:58:03,281
one, the mayor's

1660
00:58:03,283 --> 00:58:04,284
of point.

1661
00:58:04,284 --> 00:58:05,219
>> I've got a question on

1662
00:58:05,219 --> 00:58:07,221
this one. Are these once supposed

1663
00:58:07,221 --> 00:58:09,221
to be voting

1664
00:58:10,224 --> 00:58:11,225
on this or is this

1665
00:58:11,225 --> 00:58:12,226
the mayor's power on this one?

1666
00:58:12,226 --> 00:58:13,227
>>

1667
00:58:13,227 --> 00:58:14,228
that's a good point.

1668
00:58:14,228 --> 00:58:16,230
this one probably is the delineation

1669
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:17,231
that he wants to put this person on

1670
00:58:17,231 --> 00:58:19,233
their and we will just be put on directly

1671
00:58:19,233 --> 00:58:21,233
onto the

1672
00:58:21,235 --> 00:58:22,236
agenda so if he decides that he wants

1673
00:58:22,236 --> 00:58:23,237
to move forward

1674
00:58:23,237 --> 00:58:26,837
with this, probably stick it under

1675
00:58:27,241 --> 00:58:28,242
mayor's appointment.

1676
00:58:28,242 --> 00:58:29,243
>> okay. How

1677
00:58:29,243 --> 00:58:31,243
about

1678
00:58:31,245 --> 00:58:32,246
civil-service board?

1679
00:58:32,246 --> 00:58:34,246
>> sir,

1680
00:58:34,248 --> 00:58:35,249
that one is a

1681
00:58:35,249 --> 00:58:36,250
little bit different in that you've

1682
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:37,251
got the actual civil-service board

1683
00:58:37,251 --> 00:58:39,251
recommending

1684
00:58:40,254 --> 00:58:42,254
that you

1685
00:58:44,258 --> 00:58:46,260
reappoint philip hynninen to the civil-service

1686
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:47,261
board to. That is a one

1687
00:58:47,261 --> 00:58:48,262
year term which will expire in 2026.

1688
00:58:48,262 --> 00:58:49,263
as y'all remember, because of state

1689
00:58:49,263 --> 00:58:51,263
law

1690
00:58:52,266 --> 00:58:54,268
changes, any time a

1691
00:58:54,268 --> 00:58:55,269
board has someone that they have the

1692
00:58:55,269 --> 00:58:57,269
ability to

1693
00:58:58,272 --> 00:59:01,272
appoint to their board, they

1694
00:59:01,275 --> 00:59:03,277
have to get concurrence by the

1695
00:59:03,277 --> 00:59:04,278
council.

1696
00:59:04,278 --> 00:59:05,212
>> okay. Could I make a motion

1697
00:59:05,212 --> 00:59:07,212
to

1698
00:59:07,214 --> 00:59:08,215
reappoint philip hynninen?

1699
00:59:08,215 --> 00:59:10,215
>> second.

1700
00:59:10,217 --> 00:59:12,217
>> all in

1701
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:15,220
favor? That's unanimous.

1702
00:59:16,223 --> 00:59:18,223
>> question, for the

1703
00:59:19,226 --> 00:59:21,626
council ethics and for

1704
00:59:22,229 --> 00:59:23,230
this one is consent okay?

1705
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:25,230
>> you.

1706
00:59:25,232 --> 00:59:27,232
that's good.

1707
00:59:27,234 --> 00:59:30,834
and then we are adjourned subject

1708
00:59:31,238 --> 00:59:33,238
to the --

1709
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,241
>> recess probably, right? >> or recess

1710
00:59:34,241 --> 00:59:36,241
subject to

1711
00:59:37,244 --> 00:59:39,244
the

1712
00:59:39,246 --> 00:59:40,247
--

1713
00:59:40,247 --> 00:59:43,250
>> prior report as well, it's up

1714
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:44,251
to you.

1715
00:59:44,251 --> 00:59:46,251
>>

1716
00:59:46,253 --> 00:59:48,653
the mayor's. We can't

1717
00:59:49,256 --> 00:59:51,256
do [

1718
00:59:52,259 --> 00:59:54,259
inaudible ].

1719
00:59:55,262 --> 00:59:57,262
>> we'll

1720
00:59:58,265 --> 00:59:59,266
--

1721
00:59:59,266 --> 01:00:01,266
>> recess, I

1722
01:00:01,268 --> 01:00:03,668
guess, until after the

1723
01:00:04,271 --> 01:00:05,205
meeting.

1724
01:00:05,205 --> 01:00:07,205
>> thank you. >> so

1725
01:00:07,207 --> 01:00:09,209
I'm going to call the parks,

1726
01:00:09,209 --> 01:00:10,210
recreation, and tourism committee

1727
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:12,210
meeting.

1728
01:00:13,213 --> 01:00:15,215
first up is to approve the

1729
01:00:15,215 --> 01:00:16,216
minutes from december 19.

1730
01:00:16,216 --> 01:00:17,217
>> I'll

1731
01:00:17,217 --> 01:00:19,217
make

1732
01:00:19,219 --> 01:00:21,219
a

1733
01:00:22,222 --> 01:00:23,223
motion.

1734
01:00:23,223 --> 01:00:25,223
>> as amended. >> as

1735
01:00:25,225 --> 01:00:26,226
amended.

1736
01:00:26,226 --> 01:00:28,226
>>

1737
01:00:28,228 --> 01:00:29,229
I second.

1738
01:00:29,229 --> 01:00:31,229
>> all

1739
01:00:34,234 --> 01:00:35,235
in favor?

1740
01:00:35,235 --> 01:00:36,236
>> all right. So next up

1741
01:00:36,236 --> 01:00:37,237
is going to be our 2009 parks bond

1742
01:00:37,237 --> 01:00:39,237
report.

1743
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,640
mr. Chairman, good evening,

1744
01:00:43,243 --> 01:00:45,243
everyone. Report

1745
01:00:45,245 --> 01:00:46,246
starts with the financial, as usual.

1746
01:00:46,246 --> 01:00:48,248
we earned $522 of interest

1747
01:00:48,248 --> 01:00:49,249
last month, which is considerably

1748
01:00:49,249 --> 01:00:51,249
less than

1749
01:00:52,252 --> 01:00:53,253
we had been

1750
01:00:53,253 --> 01:00:55,255
but that's because we spent almost

1751
01:00:55,255 --> 01:00:57,257
all the money now. We paid out a good

1752
01:00:57,257 --> 01:01:01,261
bit on wildwood park so we still have

1753
01:01:01,261 --> 01:01:03,261
some money at

1754
01:01:03,263 --> 01:01:04,264
this time but that's why you see a

1755
01:01:04,264 --> 01:01:06,664
reduction from that high

1756
01:01:07,267 --> 01:01:10,270
thousands to 2000 a month that leaves

1757
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:12,270
us over $101,000 in

1758
01:01:13,273 --> 01:01:16,273
available balance we can allocate

1759
01:01:16,276 --> 01:01:17,277
comedies on other projects once we

1760
01:01:17,277 --> 01:01:19,277
finish

1761
01:01:19,279 --> 01:01:21,679
that wildwood project up

1762
01:01:22,282 --> 01:01:23,283
entirely point all

1763
01:01:23,283 --> 01:01:25,285
we are lacking now is the restroom.

1764
01:01:25,285 --> 01:01:26,286
we've done all the other work

1765
01:01:26,286 --> 01:01:28,288
out there that we have scheduled,

1766
01:01:28,288 --> 01:01:29,289
that you all are signed up and all

1767
01:01:29,289 --> 01:01:31,289
the other

1768
01:01:31,291 --> 01:01:33,291
work

1769
01:01:34,294 --> 01:01:35,295
is complete. As I pointed out in a

1770
01:01:35,295 --> 01:01:36,296
prior

1771
01:01:36,296 --> 01:01:37,297
meeting, I think it's been very popular

1772
01:01:37,297 --> 01:01:38,298
out there and we actually had the

1773
01:01:38,298 --> 01:01:40,300
december data that we got off the

1774
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:41,301
place for a I and in the month

1775
01:01:41,301 --> 01:01:43,303
of december last year we had about

1776
01:01:43,303 --> 01:01:45,303
833, if I

1777
01:01:45,305 --> 01:01:46,306
recall correctly, at wildwood park

1778
01:01:46,306 --> 01:01:49,309
this year we had a little over

1779
01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:50,310
2400. So you can attribute most of

1780
01:01:50,310 --> 01:01:52,310
that to

1781
01:01:52,312 --> 01:01:55,912
the disk golf players that are

1782
01:01:58,318 --> 01:01:59,319
out there . It was pretty decent,

1783
01:01:59,319 --> 01:02:00,320
obviously

1784
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,321
this month not as good but I was out

1785
01:02:01,321 --> 01:02:02,322
there on a 30, 40 degree

1786
01:02:02,322 --> 01:02:04,324
day. There were people out playing

1787
01:02:04,324 --> 01:02:06,724
so they're enjoying it.

1788
01:02:10,264 --> 01:02:11,265
let's see . We do get the fully executed

1789
01:02:11,265 --> 01:02:12,266
project

1790
01:02:12,266 --> 01:02:13,267
unit from the state of georgia for

1791
01:02:13,267 --> 01:02:14,268
the land and water conservation fund

1792
01:02:14,268 --> 01:02:15,269
rent

1793
01:02:15,269 --> 01:02:16,270
so we are allowed now to proceed with

1794
01:02:16,270 --> 01:02:19,270
all activities with the west

1795
01:02:19,273 --> 01:02:21,273
dixie park project.

1796
01:02:21,275 --> 01:02:22,276
with that and permission we've gone

1797
01:02:22,276 --> 01:02:24,278
ahead and begun ordering

1798
01:02:24,278 --> 01:02:25,279
the restroom, which takes some time

1799
01:02:25,279 --> 01:02:27,279
to get in

1800
01:02:28,282 --> 01:02:30,284
production, so it will be here

1801
01:02:30,284 --> 01:02:31,285
for us so we can get all the other

1802
01:02:31,285 --> 01:02:33,287
construction work complete. We

1803
01:02:33,287 --> 01:02:34,288
are also looking at getting a bid

1804
01:02:34,288 --> 01:02:36,290
out for the playground equipment ahead

1805
01:02:36,290 --> 01:02:37,291
of schedule so we can get that done

1806
01:02:37,291 --> 01:02:39,293
and then we are still working

1807
01:02:39,293 --> 01:02:40,294
over our stormwater issues with them

1808
01:02:40,294 --> 01:02:41,295
so we don't have a

1809
01:02:41,295 --> 01:02:43,297
full set of construction documents

1810
01:02:43,297 --> 01:02:45,297
ready to go

1811
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:48,300
to read

1812
01:02:48,302 --> 01:02:49,303
that we should have that within the

1813
01:02:49,303 --> 01:02:51,305
next two or three weeks, I would imagine,

1814
01:02:51,305 --> 01:02:52,306
and then we can get those bid documents

1815
01:02:52,306 --> 01:02:53,307
prepared.

1816
01:02:53,307 --> 01:02:55,307
>> questions? I

1817
01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:57,709
think councilwoman richards has

1818
01:02:58,312 --> 01:03:00,312
a

1819
01:03:01,315 --> 01:03:02,316
question.

1820
01:03:02,316 --> 01:03:04,316
>> you

1821
01:03:04,318 --> 01:03:05,252
talked one time about doing a ribbon-cutting

1822
01:03:05,252 --> 01:03:07,252
at

1823
01:03:07,254 --> 01:03:08,255
wildwood.

1824
01:03:08,255 --> 01:03:10,255
>>

1825
01:03:10,257 --> 01:03:11,258
yes ma'am.

1826
01:03:11,258 --> 01:03:12,259
>> are we going to plan

1827
01:03:12,259 --> 01:03:13,260
that for

1828
01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:14,261
june?

1829
01:03:14,261 --> 01:03:16,263
>> I was thinking maybe

1830
01:03:16,263 --> 01:03:18,265
late march, if that works with

1831
01:03:18,265 --> 01:03:19,266
everyone. I was going to look into

1832
01:03:19,266 --> 01:03:20,267
your schedules to see if you were

1833
01:03:20,267 --> 01:03:21,268
involved

1834
01:03:21,268 --> 01:03:22,269
in any national meetings, and I haven't

1835
01:03:22,269 --> 01:03:24,269
done

1836
01:03:25,272 --> 01:03:26,273
that yet. Or it is still a little

1837
01:03:26,273 --> 01:03:27,274
cold, we can do

1838
01:03:27,274 --> 01:03:28,275
it a little bit later. We are still

1839
01:03:28,275 --> 01:03:30,277
online to have the restroom shipped

1840
01:03:30,277 --> 01:03:31,278
in mid-february, so that could take

1841
01:03:31,278 --> 01:03:34,278
five meetings, it could take

1842
01:03:34,281 --> 01:03:35,282
two weeks. So I'm thinking only a

1843
01:03:35,282 --> 01:03:37,282
three day installation,

1844
01:03:38,285 --> 01:03:39,286
probably early

1845
01:03:39,286 --> 01:03:43,486
march. We are getting ready to order

1846
01:03:45,292 --> 01:03:47,294
a clack so that's why we are wondering,

1847
01:03:47,294 --> 01:03:48,295
what do we put on the plaque

1848
01:03:48,295 --> 01:03:49,296
for the dedication date and today

1849
01:03:49,296 --> 01:03:50,297
I'm saying we could just put spring

1850
01:03:50,297 --> 01:03:52,297
rather

1851
01:03:52,299 --> 01:03:53,300
than a month but if, you know, we

1852
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:54,301
want to push

1853
01:03:54,301 --> 01:03:55,302
it back a little bit into april or

1854
01:03:55,302 --> 01:03:58,902
something or whatever you want to

1855
01:03:59,306 --> 01:04:00,307
do, we can do that.

1856
01:04:00,307 --> 01:04:01,308
>>

1857
01:04:01,308 --> 01:04:02,309
if you want to talk about it and let

1858
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:05,245
us know what you think

1859
01:04:05,245 --> 01:04:06,246
I'm a that would

1860
01:04:06,246 --> 01:04:08,248
be great. But I wouldn't do it before

1861
01:04:08,248 --> 01:04:09,249
the end of march because I just

1862
01:04:09,249 --> 01:04:11,251
don't feel secure about the restroom

1863
01:04:11,251 --> 01:04:13,651
building to that last

1864
01:04:14,254 --> 01:04:17,257
couple weeks. That's really what we

1865
01:04:17,257 --> 01:04:18,258
were kind of waiting on.

1866
01:04:18,258 --> 01:04:20,258
>>

1867
01:04:23,263 --> 01:04:24,264
anymore questions?

1868
01:04:24,264 --> 01:04:26,266
>> okay, thank you. That concludes

1869
01:04:26,266 --> 01:04:27,267
my parks bond report.

1870
01:04:27,267 --> 01:04:29,269
>> if there are no questions, so we

1871
01:04:29,269 --> 01:04:31,269
are going to

1872
01:04:32,272 --> 01:04:33,273
move on

1873
01:04:33,273 --> 01:04:35,275
to the recreation facilities quarterly

1874
01:04:35,275 --> 01:04:36,276
report

1875
01:04:36,276 --> 01:04:38,278
>> I'm going to turn

1876
01:04:38,278 --> 01:04:39,279
that over to aaron.

1877
01:04:39,279 --> 01:04:41,279
>>

1878
01:04:43,283 --> 01:04:44,284
thank you.

1879
01:04:44,284 --> 01:04:45,285
>> how are you doing, man?

1880
01:04:45,285 --> 01:04:46,286
>>

1881
01:04:46,286 --> 01:04:47,287
I'm good. How are you doing? Good

1882
01:04:47,287 --> 01:04:49,289
evening everyone. Just before I

1883
01:04:49,289 --> 01:04:50,290
start my report I want to take a moment

1884
01:04:50,290 --> 01:04:52,292
to recognize one of our staff

1885
01:04:52,292 --> 01:04:53,293
members. So we found out last week,

1886
01:04:53,293 --> 01:04:54,294
hunter

1887
01:04:54,294 --> 01:04:56,296
keyser, who is one of our recreation

1888
01:04:56,296 --> 01:04:58,296
specialist,

1889
01:05:02,302 --> 01:05:04,302
custer park

1890
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:06,240
sports

1891
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,242
and fitness center, is being recognized

1892
01:05:08,242 --> 01:05:09,243
as one of the top 30 young parks and

1893
01:05:09,243 --> 01:05:11,245
recreation of nationals under the

1894
01:05:11,245 --> 01:05:12,246
age of 30 in the nation. That's the

1895
01:05:12,246 --> 01:05:13,247
30

1896
01:05:13,247 --> 01:05:16,247
under 30. That's a cool recognition

1897
01:05:20,254 --> 01:05:22,254
for him.

1898
01:05:23,257 --> 01:05:24,258
several

1899
01:05:24,258 --> 01:05:25,259
applicants across 27 states so it's

1900
01:05:25,259 --> 01:05:26,260
a big accomplishment for him. So hunter

1901
01:05:26,260 --> 01:05:27,261
does a

1902
01:05:27,261 --> 01:05:29,263
great job for him and of course we

1903
01:05:29,263 --> 01:05:30,264
are very appreciative to the national

1904
01:05:30,264 --> 01:05:31,265
recreation and park association for

1905
01:05:31,265 --> 01:05:32,266
recognizing hunter. So if you see

1906
01:05:32,266 --> 01:05:34,268
him, congratulate him for

1907
01:05:34,268 --> 01:05:35,269
that. As far as the reports, so this

1908
01:05:35,269 --> 01:05:36,270
is the report for the second

1909
01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:37,271
quarter and this is for custer park

1910
01:05:37,271 --> 01:05:38,272
sports and fitness center, parks program

1911
01:05:38,272 --> 01:05:39,273
and the

1912
01:05:39,273 --> 01:05:40,274
franklin gateway sports complex. So

1913
01:05:40,274 --> 01:05:41,275
for the quarter you have your reports.

1914
01:05:41,275 --> 01:05:42,276
custer park

1915
01:05:42,276 --> 01:05:44,278
sports and fitness center had a total

1916
01:05:44,278 --> 01:05:45,279
of 3800 attendees for all of our activities

1917
01:05:45,279 --> 01:05:48,279
throughout the quarter. Gross revenue

1918
01:05:50,284 --> 01:05:52,284
was almost $142,000 for

1919
01:05:53,287 --> 01:05:56,287
the quarter. Versus a little

1920
01:05:56,290 --> 01:05:58,690
over $120,000, versus the second

1921
01:05:59,293 --> 01:06:01,293
quarter, last

1922
01:06:01,295 --> 01:06:02,296
fiscal year. The parks program is

1923
01:06:02,296 --> 01:06:03,297
currently closed for the season and

1924
01:06:03,297 --> 01:06:04,298
then

1925
01:06:04,298 --> 01:06:05,232
we will open on friday, may 2nd. We'll

1926
01:06:05,232 --> 01:06:07,632
open for the year

1927
01:06:11,238 --> 01:06:12,239
for that. The sports complex

1928
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:14,241
had 45,286 participants this last

1929
01:06:14,241 --> 01:06:16,243
quarter so we stay busy

1930
01:06:16,243 --> 01:06:17,244
out there and the majority of those

1931
01:06:17,244 --> 01:06:19,244
were

1932
01:06:20,247 --> 01:06:22,647
soccer rentals. The total

1933
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:24,251
gross revenue at the sports complex

1934
01:06:24,251 --> 01:06:26,251
per

1935
01:06:26,253 --> 01:06:28,253
quarter

1936
01:06:29,256 --> 01:06:32,256
was $16,656 and of course that

1937
01:06:35,262 --> 01:06:36,263
was down a little bit for the quarter.

1938
01:06:36,263 --> 01:06:37,264
so a

1939
01:06:37,264 --> 01:06:41,268
lot of that had to do with organizations

1940
01:06:41,268 --> 01:06:43,268
last

1941
01:06:44,271 --> 01:06:46,271
year that

1942
01:06:47,274 --> 01:06:48,275
didn't [ inaudible ] for various

1943
01:06:48,275 --> 01:06:49,276
reasons. Some of those had events

1944
01:06:49,276 --> 01:06:50,277
during the first quarter, the second

1945
01:06:50,277 --> 01:06:52,277
quarter. So some

1946
01:06:52,279 --> 01:06:53,280
of that was timing. And then as previously

1947
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,281
mentioned in other reports,

1948
01:06:54,281 --> 01:06:56,283
last year we changed our billing model

1949
01:06:56,283 --> 01:06:58,283
to pay

1950
01:06:59,286 --> 01:07:00,287
in advance of that, as well. If you

1951
01:07:00,287 --> 01:07:02,287
remember back

1952
01:07:02,289 --> 01:07:04,689
in the first quarter

1953
01:07:05,225 --> 01:07:06,226
report for franklin, we were up

1954
01:07:06,226 --> 01:07:08,228
about $46,000 in the first quarter

1955
01:07:08,228 --> 01:07:11,231
so some of it is just

1956
01:07:11,231 --> 01:07:13,231
timing, just

1957
01:07:14,234 --> 01:07:15,235
looking forward, starting in february,

1958
01:07:15,235 --> 01:07:16,236
we don't

1959
01:07:16,236 --> 01:07:17,237
have a day without a rental giveaway

1960
01:07:17,237 --> 01:07:19,237
until june 15th

1961
01:07:22,242 --> 01:07:23,243
and we'll continue to fill those up.

1962
01:07:23,243 --> 01:07:24,244
also, this course,

1963
01:07:24,244 --> 01:07:26,246
this is the third quarter in january.

1964
01:07:26,246 --> 01:07:29,846
this january versus last january was

1965
01:07:32,252 --> 01:07:34,252
almost double

1966
01:07:38,258 --> 01:07:39,259
so we are continuing to

1967
01:07:39,259 --> 01:07:40,260
do well there. Program-wise with our

1968
01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:41,261
youth basketball league and custer

1969
01:07:41,261 --> 01:07:43,263
park sports and fitness

1970
01:07:43,263 --> 01:07:44,264
center, we are wrapping up over the

1971
01:07:44,264 --> 01:07:45,265
next few weekends. We'll have our

1972
01:07:45,265 --> 01:07:46,266
season end

1973
01:07:46,266 --> 01:07:47,267
tournament. This year we had 259 players

1974
01:07:47,267 --> 01:07:49,269
versus 231 players last year, so

1975
01:07:49,269 --> 01:07:50,270
we had a good increase there. And

1976
01:07:50,270 --> 01:07:52,270
then special event-wise,

1977
01:07:52,272 --> 01:07:56,276
of course we had fourth in the park

1978
01:07:56,276 --> 01:07:57,277
this

1979
01:07:57,277 --> 01:07:58,278
year, harvestfest and our christmas

1980
01:07:58,278 --> 01:07:59,279
tree lighting. The next large event

1981
01:07:59,279 --> 01:08:01,279
for the city

1982
01:08:01,281 --> 01:08:04,881
will be marietta the gathering. That

1983
01:08:07,221 --> 01:08:08,222
will be saturday, march 21st. That

1984
01:08:08,222 --> 01:08:09,223
includes our report.

1985
01:08:09,223 --> 01:08:10,224
>> thank

1986
01:08:10,224 --> 01:08:11,225
you so much. Do we have any questions

1987
01:08:11,225 --> 01:08:12,226
for eric?

1988
01:08:12,226 --> 01:08:14,226
>> I'd add

1989
01:08:14,228 --> 01:08:16,228
two things that

1990
01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:17,231
are not messerli at the rec center

1991
01:08:17,231 --> 01:08:20,234
but a couple projects you may

1992
01:08:20,234 --> 01:08:23,234
be interested in. We have

1993
01:08:23,237 --> 01:08:25,237
that pipe

1994
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:26,240
project at city club, we had our funds

1995
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,241
for. That's 80% complete.

1996
01:08:27,241 --> 01:08:29,243
there out there working. They hope

1997
01:08:29,243 --> 01:08:32,843
to be done by friday but

1998
01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:37,249
the rain

1999
01:08:38,252 --> 01:08:40,254
the last week or

2000
01:08:40,254 --> 01:08:41,255
so and impending rain on friday, I

2001
01:08:41,255 --> 01:08:43,257
think that will be next week before

2002
01:08:43,257 --> 01:08:44,258
they get it all buttoned up but that

2003
01:08:44,258 --> 01:08:46,260
is going on very well. It came

2004
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:47,261
at a good time when it was cold. We

2005
01:08:47,261 --> 01:08:49,263
had the greens covered. No

2006
01:08:49,263 --> 01:08:50,264
one could play golf so no interruption

2007
01:08:50,264 --> 01:08:51,265
to the players during that period.

2008
01:08:51,265 --> 01:08:52,266
than the

2009
01:08:52,266 --> 01:08:53,267
second thing you notice that glover

2010
01:08:53,267 --> 01:08:54,268
park on the that barricade for some

2011
01:08:54,268 --> 01:08:55,269
time.

2012
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:56,270
we had the drainage project that you

2013
01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:57,271
did at the playground, back in the

2014
01:08:57,271 --> 01:08:59,273
playground area. We did eventually

2015
01:08:59,273 --> 01:09:00,274
get to a pipe that was completely

2016
01:09:00,274 --> 01:09:01,275
jammed up with roots.

2017
01:09:01,275 --> 01:09:02,276
that has all been removed. The pipe

2018
01:09:02,276 --> 01:09:04,278
has been replaced and then we got

2019
01:09:04,278 --> 01:09:06,213
a new --a couple new spots at the

2020
01:09:06,213 --> 01:09:09,216
end of that pipe, and new

2021
01:09:09,216 --> 01:09:12,216
cleanouts that we put in,

2022
01:09:12,219 --> 01:09:13,220
a tap box

2023
01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:15,222
actually that we put in so that we

2024
01:09:15,222 --> 01:09:16,223
can get it in the future, should

2025
01:09:16,223 --> 01:09:19,823
that arise again. Pike electric is

2026
01:09:20,227 --> 01:09:21,228
up there, still doing their electrical

2027
01:09:21,228 --> 01:09:23,228
work

2028
01:09:24,231 --> 01:09:25,232
and rewiring all the light

2029
01:09:25,232 --> 01:09:27,234
poles, a little bit of collateral

2030
01:09:27,234 --> 01:09:30,237
damage, irrigation lines, so we expect

2031
01:09:30,237 --> 01:09:31,238
that to be done

2032
01:09:31,238 --> 01:09:33,240
and we may expect that to push off

2033
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,240
once

2034
01:09:39,246 --> 01:09:40,247
we energize. I don't think

2035
01:09:40,247 --> 01:09:42,249
we have anything that anyone can handle,

2036
01:09:42,249 --> 01:09:43,250
just a couple things that

2037
01:09:43,250 --> 01:09:44,251
were unexpected.

2038
01:09:44,251 --> 01:09:45,252
>> so I guess next

2039
01:09:45,252 --> 01:09:47,254
up is going to be the

2040
01:09:47,254 --> 01:09:48,255
street closures.

2041
01:09:48,255 --> 01:09:49,256
>> a disclosure for

2042
01:09:49,256 --> 01:09:51,256
us,

2043
01:09:51,258 --> 01:09:53,258
disclosure

2044
01:09:54,261 --> 01:09:55,262
first.

2045
01:09:55,262 --> 01:09:57,262
>> members of

2046
01:09:57,264 --> 01:09:58,265
my family, I myself

2047
01:09:58,265 --> 01:10:00,267
and members of my family owned properties

2048
01:10:00,267 --> 01:10:04,467
in the downtown area. On a member

2049
01:10:06,206 --> 01:10:08,206
of the

2050
01:10:09,209 --> 01:10:10,210
cobb naacp and that I serve on the

2051
01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:12,212
port of the marietta visitors bureau

2052
01:10:12,212 --> 01:10:13,213
serving the city

2053
01:10:13,213 --> 01:10:15,215
of marietta. And that polish a, my

2054
01:10:15,215 --> 01:10:17,615
aunt, is on the [

2055
01:10:21,221 --> 01:10:23,221
inaudible ].

2056
01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:31,231
>> thank you. Appreciated. This is

2057
01:10:31,231 --> 01:10:32,232
the

2058
01:10:32,232 --> 01:10:33,233
annual street closure request, before

2059
01:10:33,233 --> 01:10:34,234
I give you any details on either of

2060
01:10:34,234 --> 01:10:35,235
them you

2061
01:10:35,235 --> 01:10:36,236
might see two that you think are missing.

2062
01:10:36,236 --> 01:10:37,237
one is marietta the gathering. Of

2063
01:10:37,237 --> 01:10:38,238
course we just dealt with that last

2064
01:10:38,238 --> 01:10:39,239
month because of the timing of the

2065
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:40,240
event

2066
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,242
coming up in march and needing to

2067
01:10:42,242 --> 01:10:43,243
be done, and rather than putting it

2068
01:10:43,243 --> 01:10:44,244
on

2069
01:10:44,244 --> 01:10:45,245
now for 2026, we'll just wait until

2070
01:10:45,245 --> 01:10:46,246
later in the calendar year, again,

2071
01:10:46,246 --> 01:10:48,246
like

2072
01:10:48,248 --> 01:10:52,448
we just did this last time as

2073
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:54,254
a one-off. And the other one you might

2074
01:10:54,254 --> 01:10:55,255
be wondering

2075
01:10:55,255 --> 01:10:56,256
about is the cherokee heights arts

2076
01:10:56,256 --> 01:10:57,257
festival. This particular request

2077
01:10:57,257 --> 01:10:58,258
here are only the

2078
01:10:58,258 --> 01:10:59,259
ones that come through special event

2079
01:10:59,259 --> 01:11:00,260
applications and actually use glover

2080
01:11:00,260 --> 01:11:01,261
park in the downtown

2081
01:11:01,261 --> 01:11:03,263
square. That was done separately off

2082
01:11:03,263 --> 01:11:05,265
of what we call a

2083
01:11:05,265 --> 01:11:06,266
parade permit. It's come through a

2084
01:11:06,266 --> 01:11:07,267
different mechanism so

2085
01:11:07,267 --> 01:11:09,269
they will be coming back for that

2086
01:11:09,269 --> 01:11:10,270
street closure for you at a

2087
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:11,271
later date, sometime probably early

2088
01:11:11,271 --> 01:11:12,272
summer if not late spring. So those

2089
01:11:12,272 --> 01:11:14,272
two are

2090
01:11:15,275 --> 01:11:16,276
on our radar. They just

2091
01:11:16,276 --> 01:11:18,278
aren't on this particular report so

2092
01:11:18,278 --> 01:11:21,878
I just wanted to bring that

2093
01:11:23,283 --> 01:11:24,284
up. So all the other events on here

2094
01:11:24,284 --> 01:11:25,285
are repeat events. Everything that

2095
01:11:25,285 --> 01:11:27,285
we've

2096
01:11:27,287 --> 01:11:30,287
had in the past, and

2097
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:31,291
there are only two changes,

2098
01:11:31,291 --> 01:11:32,292
street closures that have all been

2099
01:11:32,292 --> 01:11:33,293
previously approved. One of them is

2100
01:11:33,293 --> 01:11:34,294
from juneteenth and

2101
01:11:34,294 --> 01:11:36,296
they requested the northpark square

2102
01:11:36,296 --> 01:11:39,296
be closed this year. In

2103
01:11:39,299 --> 01:11:42,302
the past, I point out on

2104
01:11:42,302 --> 01:11:43,303
friday night, on friday nights they've

2105
01:11:43,303 --> 01:11:45,303
always

2106
01:11:45,305 --> 01:11:48,308
had a concert and they have had

2107
01:11:48,308 --> 01:11:51,908
the concert in east park square

2108
01:11:54,314 --> 01:11:56,314
and its

2109
01:11:57,317 --> 01:11:58,318
gotten very popular. And by closing

2110
01:11:58,318 --> 01:11:59,319
northpark

2111
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:00,320
square we get more opportunity for

2112
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,321
patrons to come and sit and enjoy

2113
01:12:01,321 --> 01:12:02,322
the music.

2114
01:12:02,322 --> 01:12:03,323
that was their request. We are extending

2115
01:12:03,323 --> 01:12:04,324
that because of the location of

2116
01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:06,260
the restrooms that are along the courthouse

2117
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:07,261
on lawrence

2118
01:12:07,261 --> 01:12:09,263
street with patrons imbibing and all

2119
01:12:09,263 --> 01:12:11,663
the back-and-forth traffic that

2120
01:12:12,266 --> 01:12:14,266
goes

2121
01:12:14,268 --> 01:12:18,272
across their. And I think I just got

2122
01:12:18,272 --> 01:12:19,273
that wrong. They did not have east

2123
01:12:19,273 --> 01:12:20,274
park four

2124
01:12:20,274 --> 01:12:21,275
point they were asking for north and

2125
01:12:21,275 --> 01:12:23,675
we are recommending east

2126
01:12:27,281 --> 01:12:29,283
as well because of that traffic

2127
01:12:29,283 --> 01:12:30,284
that goes back and forth in that crosswalk,

2128
01:12:30,284 --> 01:12:31,285
and lack of management there. And

2129
01:12:31,285 --> 01:12:33,287
also with moore park closed down,

2130
01:12:33,287 --> 01:12:35,287
we

2131
01:12:35,289 --> 01:12:36,290
would expect it from lawrence street

2132
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:38,292
down to waddell, like

2133
01:12:38,292 --> 01:12:39,293
we do with other events, because that's

2134
01:12:39,293 --> 01:12:40,294
where the police put the security

2135
01:12:40,294 --> 01:12:42,294
barricades,

2136
01:12:45,299 --> 01:12:47,299
to keep

2137
01:12:48,302 --> 01:12:49,303
people

2138
01:12:49,303 --> 01:12:51,305
from running up lawrence street and

2139
01:12:51,305 --> 01:12:52,306
then on to the northpark square that's

2140
01:12:52,306 --> 01:12:53,307
closed. So

2141
01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:54,308
we actually added onto their request

2142
01:12:54,308 --> 01:12:55,309
and we are recommending that we do

2143
01:12:55,309 --> 01:12:57,309
north

2144
01:13:00,314 --> 01:13:02,314
and east

2145
01:13:02,316 --> 01:13:03,317
.

2146
01:13:03,317 --> 01:13:04,318
>> what event was that? >> that's

2147
01:13:04,318 --> 01:13:05,252
for juneteenth and it's

2148
01:13:05,252 --> 01:13:06,253
the friday night. You know they do

2149
01:13:06,253 --> 01:13:07,254
a friday, saturday and sunday event.

2150
01:13:07,254 --> 01:13:08,255
friday is

2151
01:13:08,255 --> 01:13:09,256
when they have a big concert. Folks

2152
01:13:09,256 --> 01:13:11,258
come up and it's similar to our

2153
01:13:11,258 --> 01:13:12,259
friday night concerts that we do and

2154
01:13:12,259 --> 01:13:14,261
they're just kind of trying to get

2155
01:13:14,261 --> 01:13:15,262
to that point and the parks are jammed

2156
01:13:15,262 --> 01:13:17,264
up full so this gives

2157
01:13:17,264 --> 01:13:18,265
them an opportunity and we are recommending

2158
01:13:18,265 --> 01:13:19,266
the additional street for safety.

2159
01:13:19,266 --> 01:13:20,267
the other request

2160
01:13:20,267 --> 01:13:23,270
was from the organizers of art in

2161
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:24,271
the park and they have historically

2162
01:13:24,271 --> 01:13:26,271
closed 5:30 on

2163
01:13:27,274 --> 01:13:29,274
friday on

2164
01:13:30,277 --> 01:13:33,277
north park east and south

2165
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,280
and asked to

2166
01:13:35,282 --> 01:13:39,482
close that at 4:00, and there is a

2167
01:13:41,288 --> 01:13:42,289
letter attached from carolyn, why

2168
01:13:42,289 --> 01:13:43,290
she thinks that needs to be done.

2169
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:44,291
I

2170
01:13:44,291 --> 01:13:45,292
can tell you we've had some additional

2171
01:13:45,292 --> 01:13:47,294
conversations since then. We don't

2172
01:13:47,294 --> 01:13:48,295
necessarily agree 100% the logic that

2173
01:13:48,295 --> 01:13:50,297
was there but we

2174
01:13:50,297 --> 01:13:51,298
do understand she has some interesting

2175
01:13:51,298 --> 01:13:53,298
closing earlier and

2176
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:58,100
some needs and we think it would be

2177
01:14:00,307 --> 01:14:02,307
more appropriate

2178
01:14:06,246 --> 01:14:08,246
than to close

2179
01:14:08,248 --> 01:14:09,249
all those streets at 4:00, as she

2180
01:14:09,249 --> 01:14:10,250
has requested, or even at 5:30, to

2181
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:11,251
do northpark

2182
01:14:11,251 --> 01:14:12,252
at 4:00, south park at 5:00, and east

2183
01:14:12,252 --> 01:14:14,254
park at 6:00. What that does

2184
01:14:14,254 --> 01:14:15,255
is add a one hour block to each of

2185
01:14:15,255 --> 01:14:16,256
the sections and this is how

2186
01:14:16,256 --> 01:14:18,258
it works with chalktoberfest. Having

2187
01:14:18,258 --> 01:14:19,259
done that the last couple years has

2188
01:14:19,259 --> 01:14:20,260
proven to

2189
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:21,261
be a much better method for us to

2190
01:14:21,261 --> 01:14:24,261
close the streets down that

2191
01:14:24,264 --> 01:14:25,265
way . One of the things we don't want

2192
01:14:25,265 --> 01:14:26,266
to do

2193
01:14:26,266 --> 01:14:27,267
is tell anybody, so we close it down

2194
01:14:27,267 --> 01:14:29,269
and there is an additional half an

2195
01:14:29,269 --> 01:14:30,270
hour then on that particular street

2196
01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:35,700
to get the cars out of there. The

2197
01:14:37,277 --> 01:14:38,278
cars aren't even, the

2198
01:14:38,278 --> 01:14:39,279
police can check the license antagonist,

2199
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:40,280
get a name, maybe a phone number to

2200
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:41,281
call.

2201
01:14:41,281 --> 01:14:43,283
we can go to a restaurant on that

2202
01:14:43,283 --> 01:14:44,284
street, try to find those people

2203
01:14:44,284 --> 01:14:46,286
and get them out of there. To try

2204
01:14:46,286 --> 01:14:47,287
to do that on all three of

2205
01:14:47,287 --> 01:14:48,288
those streets at one time while people

2206
01:14:48,288 --> 01:14:49,289
are trying to manhandle barricades

2207
01:14:49,289 --> 01:14:50,290
for the

2208
01:14:50,290 --> 01:14:51,291
traffic department and our staff trying

2209
01:14:51,291 --> 01:14:52,292
to get out cones doesn't work well

2210
01:14:52,292 --> 01:14:53,293
so it's

2211
01:14:53,293 --> 01:14:55,295
really better off for us, we found,

2212
01:14:55,295 --> 01:14:58,295
if we did one block

2213
01:15:01,301 --> 01:15:02,302
at a time. Know

2214
01:15:02,302 --> 01:15:04,304
carolyn would love to put that up

2215
01:15:04,304 --> 01:15:05,239
at 2:00, 3:00 and 4:00. We are

2216
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:06,240
recommending 4:00, 5:00 and 6:00 from

2217
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,241
a staff perspective and she is amenable

2218
01:15:07,241 --> 01:15:08,242
to that.

2219
01:15:08,242 --> 01:15:10,244
carolyn is here if you have to ask

2220
01:15:10,244 --> 01:15:12,244
her any

2221
01:15:12,246 --> 01:15:13,247
questions. That would be the recommended

2222
01:15:13,247 --> 01:15:14,248
change if you

2223
01:15:14,248 --> 01:15:17,251
are amenable to doing it earlier than

2224
01:15:17,251 --> 01:15:18,252
5:30. It makes it flow and then it

2225
01:15:18,252 --> 01:15:19,253
keeps the northbound traffic on atlanta

2226
01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:21,253
street

2227
01:15:22,256 --> 01:15:23,257
open until 6:00 against that

2228
01:15:23,257 --> 01:15:25,259
northbound rush-hour extra time, even

2229
01:15:25,259 --> 01:15:27,259
over the 5:30, which

2230
01:15:27,261 --> 01:15:28,262
they've had the past 30 some years,

2231
01:15:28,262 --> 01:15:30,262
so

2232
01:15:30,264 --> 01:15:31,265
it actually helps out on that side.

2233
01:15:31,265 --> 01:15:33,265
>> okay,

2234
01:15:34,268 --> 01:15:37,271
so do we need to vote on that?

2235
01:15:37,271 --> 01:15:38,272
so first

2236
01:15:38,272 --> 01:15:41,275
item that we'll entertain a motion

2237
01:15:41,275 --> 01:15:43,277
for would be the northpark square

2238
01:15:43,277 --> 01:15:45,279
to be closed and also the east park

2239
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:46,280
square to be closed for juneteenth

2240
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,280
could do we

2241
01:15:49,283 --> 01:15:50,284
have a motion?

2242
01:15:50,284 --> 01:15:52,284
>> I'll make

2243
01:15:55,289 --> 01:15:56,290
a motion. To make

2244
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:57,291
the closure of those streets.

2245
01:15:57,291 --> 01:15:58,292
>> okay.

2246
01:15:58,292 --> 01:15:59,293
>> following the staff's recommendation.

2247
01:15:59,293 --> 01:16:01,293
>>

2248
01:16:03,297 --> 01:16:04,298
from a point of order I guess on this,

2249
01:16:04,298 --> 01:16:05,232
rather

2250
01:16:05,232 --> 01:16:07,234
than individual motion, should we

2251
01:16:07,234 --> 01:16:08,235
do that way or try to

2252
01:16:08,235 --> 01:16:10,237
do one motion, incorporate all the

2253
01:16:10,237 --> 01:16:12,237
changes and

2254
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:14,241
move on?

2255
01:16:14,241 --> 01:16:15,242
>> okay, good

2256
01:16:15,242 --> 01:16:16,243
enough.

2257
01:16:16,243 --> 01:16:17,244
>> all right, and then approve

2258
01:16:17,244 --> 01:16:18,245
everything.

2259
01:16:18,245 --> 01:16:19,246
sounds good.

2260
01:16:19,246 --> 01:16:20,247
>> I was going to ask

2261
01:16:20,247 --> 01:16:21,248
on

2262
01:16:21,248 --> 01:16:22,249
that because the way the motions were,

2263
01:16:22,249 --> 01:16:25,249
one item at the end

2264
01:16:25,252 --> 01:16:28,852
of this, should there be a

2265
01:16:31,258 --> 01:16:33,258
base motion

2266
01:16:37,264 --> 01:16:38,265
to approve, deny, or something like

2267
01:16:38,265 --> 01:16:40,267
that, and have motions to do the other

2268
01:16:40,267 --> 01:16:41,268
changes, something like that?

2269
01:16:41,268 --> 01:16:42,269
>> you

2270
01:16:42,269 --> 01:16:43,270
can do it either way. I think with

2271
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:45,272
the chairman wants to do is do

2272
01:16:45,272 --> 01:16:46,273
these one at a time and have a global

2273
01:16:46,273 --> 01:16:47,274
motion at the end.

2274
01:16:47,274 --> 01:16:48,275
>> so

2275
01:16:48,275 --> 01:16:49,276
it's been moved and properly seconded

2276
01:16:49,276 --> 01:16:50,277
on the juneteenth recommendation.

2277
01:16:50,277 --> 01:16:52,277
we'll move

2278
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:54,279
on to --all

2279
01:16:55,282 --> 01:16:56,283
in favor?

2280
01:16:56,283 --> 01:16:58,283
>> started

2281
01:16:58,285 --> 01:16:59,286
at 6:00.

2282
01:16:59,286 --> 01:17:01,286
>> 6:00,

2283
01:17:01,288 --> 01:17:03,288
yes

2284
01:17:04,291 --> 01:17:05,225
or.

2285
01:17:05,225 --> 01:17:07,225
>>

2286
01:17:12,232 --> 01:17:13,233
one of these we had different times?

2287
01:17:13,233 --> 01:17:14,234
>> all of the events

2288
01:17:14,234 --> 01:17:16,236
have some different times. This particular

2289
01:17:16,236 --> 01:17:17,237
case here with juneteenth is different

2290
01:17:17,237 --> 01:17:18,238
than the

2291
01:17:18,238 --> 01:17:19,239
park, yes. So all the other events

2292
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:20,240
have their individual listings in

2293
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:21,241
the memo.

2294
01:17:21,241 --> 01:17:22,242
all of them are the same as what we've

2295
01:17:22,242 --> 01:17:23,243
always done in the past few

2296
01:17:23,243 --> 01:17:25,245
years. Only juneteenth and our department

2297
01:17:25,245 --> 01:17:26,246
are different.

2298
01:17:26,246 --> 01:17:28,246
>>

2299
01:17:28,248 --> 01:17:29,249
we put the bus down all the way at

2300
01:17:29,249 --> 01:17:31,249
oak

2301
01:17:31,251 --> 01:17:33,251
street or [

2302
01:17:33,253 --> 01:17:34,254
inaudible ]?

2303
01:17:34,254 --> 01:17:35,255
>> I don't know. >> we've

2304
01:17:35,255 --> 01:17:37,255
got five

2305
01:17:37,257 --> 01:17:38,258
very viable businesses on

2306
01:17:38,258 --> 01:17:40,260
church street that we haven't had

2307
01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:42,260
in

2308
01:17:43,263 --> 01:17:44,264
the equation.

2309
01:17:44,264 --> 01:17:46,264
>> for juneteenth

2310
01:17:46,266 --> 01:17:49,266
we wouldn't be touching that.

2311
01:17:52,272 --> 01:17:53,273
no.

2312
01:17:53,273 --> 01:17:54,274
>>

2313
01:17:54,274 --> 01:17:55,275
talking about the ones come after

2314
01:17:55,275 --> 01:17:56,276
6:00 I think it's fair game.

2315
01:17:56,276 --> 01:17:58,278
>> the juneteenth wouldn't be touched

2316
01:17:58,278 --> 01:17:59,279
at all.

2317
01:17:59,279 --> 01:18:00,280
>> open it for somebody, or

2318
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,280
it's detrimental to somebody. The

2319
01:18:04,284 --> 01:18:05,219
same 24/7.

2320
01:18:05,219 --> 01:18:07,219
>> true,

2321
01:18:07,221 --> 01:18:09,221
it

2322
01:18:10,224 --> 01:18:11,225
does.

2323
01:18:11,225 --> 01:18:13,225
>> this would

2324
01:18:13,227 --> 01:18:15,227
take it.

2325
01:18:16,230 --> 01:18:18,630
>> I don't have --probably

2326
01:18:22,236 --> 01:18:24,236
juneteenth --

2327
01:18:25,239 --> 01:18:28,242
>> that's what we are voting on

2328
01:18:28,242 --> 01:18:30,242
is the juneteenth.

2329
01:18:31,245 --> 01:18:32,246
we voted okay on that.

2330
01:18:32,246 --> 01:18:33,247
>> that was

2331
01:18:33,247 --> 01:18:35,247
north

2332
01:18:37,251 --> 01:18:38,252
and east.

2333
01:18:38,252 --> 01:18:39,253
>> I did

2334
01:18:39,253 --> 01:18:40,254
failed to point out one other thing

2335
01:18:40,254 --> 01:18:43,257
in our park and that was the

2336
01:18:43,257 --> 01:18:45,257
closure on

2337
01:18:46,260 --> 01:18:48,660
west park. Excuse me

2338
01:18:52,266 --> 01:18:54,266
a second.

2339
01:18:58,272 --> 01:18:59,273
that was just to move that up a little

2340
01:18:59,273 --> 01:19:00,274
bit, a half

2341
01:19:00,274 --> 01:19:01,275
an hour, actually the street closed

2342
01:19:01,275 --> 01:19:02,276
at 10:00. Before the street would

2343
01:19:02,276 --> 01:19:04,276
close

2344
01:19:04,278 --> 01:19:05,212
at 9:00 but the people in the parking

2345
01:19:05,212 --> 01:19:06,213
spaces would

2346
01:19:06,213 --> 01:19:07,214
not have to leave until 9:30. So it's

2347
01:19:07,214 --> 01:19:09,216
a half an hour earlier than what

2348
01:19:09,216 --> 01:19:10,217
it was but it would allow those folks

2349
01:19:10,217 --> 01:19:12,219
having dinner to have until 9:30 to

2350
01:19:12,219 --> 01:19:13,220
get out of that west parkside. Just

2351
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:15,620
a one half hour

2352
01:19:18,225 --> 01:19:19,226
change their. We will stop the traffic

2353
01:19:19,226 --> 01:19:20,227
just because the people don't come

2354
01:19:20,227 --> 01:19:21,228
in

2355
01:19:21,228 --> 01:19:22,229
and dive into spots as they open up

2356
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:23,230
some better management for the police

2357
01:19:23,230 --> 01:19:25,230
and

2358
01:19:25,232 --> 01:19:26,233
traffic. Okay.

2359
01:19:26,233 --> 01:19:28,235
>> so that motion then

2360
01:19:28,235 --> 01:19:31,238
would be for the art in

2361
01:19:31,238 --> 01:19:34,238
the park to close at 4:00, 5:00

2362
01:19:36,243 --> 01:19:37,244
and 6:00.

2363
01:19:37,244 --> 01:19:38,245
>> northpark at 4:00, south

2364
01:19:38,245 --> 01:19:41,248
park at 5:00, east park at 6:00 and

2365
01:19:41,248 --> 01:19:43,248
then westpark would

2366
01:19:44,251 --> 01:19:45,252
be closed

2367
01:19:45,252 --> 01:19:47,254
, the street at 9:00, parking spaces

2368
01:19:47,254 --> 01:19:49,254
at 9:30.

2369
01:19:49,256 --> 01:19:53,260
>> okay. Are we good with that? All

2370
01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:55,260
in

2371
01:19:56,263 --> 01:19:57,264
favor?

2372
01:19:57,264 --> 01:19:59,264
>> 4:00 on

2373
01:19:59,266 --> 01:20:00,267
northpark.

2374
01:20:00,267 --> 01:20:02,267
>>

2375
01:20:02,269 --> 01:20:05,205
[ inaudible ] but the city does a

2376
01:20:05,205 --> 01:20:07,205
good job

2377
01:20:07,207 --> 01:20:08,208
of keeping [ inaudible ]. Before,

2378
01:20:08,208 --> 01:20:10,208
we were

2379
01:20:14,214 --> 01:20:17,217
trapped in. Especially to go down,

2380
01:20:17,217 --> 01:20:19,217
for them to

2381
01:20:20,220 --> 01:20:22,222
sell products to do harm to other

2382
01:20:22,222 --> 01:20:23,223
businesses, it's like being against

2383
01:20:23,223 --> 01:20:25,223
santa claus

2384
01:20:26,226 --> 01:20:28,226
or the

2385
01:20:29,229 --> 01:20:31,229
easter bunny.

2386
01:20:33,233 --> 01:20:34,234
why can't the northside be last?

2387
01:20:34,234 --> 01:20:35,235
>>

2388
01:20:35,235 --> 01:20:37,235
northside

2389
01:20:38,238 --> 01:20:41,238
be last? You know I

2390
01:20:41,241 --> 01:20:43,241
guess because

2391
01:20:44,244 --> 01:20:45,245
--

2392
01:20:45,245 --> 01:20:46,246
>>

2393
01:20:46,246 --> 01:20:47,247
[ inaudible ]

2394
01:20:47,247 --> 01:20:48,248
>> it's just not seen

2395
01:20:48,248 --> 01:20:49,249
as a through route,

2396
01:20:49,249 --> 01:20:50,250
like south park, where you are trying

2397
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:51,251
to get over to dallas

2398
01:20:51,251 --> 01:20:53,253
highway and down roswell, where you

2399
01:20:53,253 --> 01:20:55,253
can go around

2400
01:20:55,255 --> 01:20:56,256
the park on northpark. If people are

2401
01:20:56,256 --> 01:20:57,257
coming, they can go west,

2402
01:20:57,257 --> 01:20:59,259
they can go south, they can go east

2403
01:20:59,259 --> 01:21:00,260
and get deck around. It's a little

2404
01:21:00,260 --> 01:21:02,262
bit easier detour than what people

2405
01:21:02,262 --> 01:21:05,265
would encounter if we did south park

2406
01:21:05,265 --> 01:21:06,266
before northpark.

2407
01:21:06,266 --> 01:21:08,266
>> just

2408
01:21:08,268 --> 01:21:09,269
want

2409
01:21:09,269 --> 01:21:10,270
it later?

2410
01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:13,270
>> keep in mind this is

2411
01:21:14,274 --> 01:21:15,275
a request

2412
01:21:15,275 --> 01:21:17,277
so it can be dealt with the way you

2413
01:21:17,277 --> 01:21:18,278
deem appropriate.

2414
01:21:18,278 --> 01:21:20,278
>> [

2415
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,280
inaudible ]

2416
01:21:22,282 --> 01:21:23,283
>> what do you want us to do? >> and

2417
01:21:23,283 --> 01:21:25,283
also

2418
01:21:26,286 --> 01:21:28,286
when you close

2419
01:21:29,289 --> 01:21:33,489
that, we are going to have [ inaudible

2420
01:21:35,295 --> 01:21:36,296
] restaurants, if we

2421
01:21:36,296 --> 01:21:38,298
[ inaudible ]. If you can't get the

2422
01:21:38,298 --> 01:21:41,298
trucks in there and stuff,

2423
01:21:41,301 --> 01:21:43,701
I've seen delivery trucks

2424
01:21:44,304 --> 01:21:46,304
and

2425
01:21:47,307 --> 01:21:49,309
trash when they had one of

2426
01:21:49,309 --> 01:21:50,310
them open. And I think every one of

2427
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:52,310
them will be

2428
01:21:53,313 --> 01:21:55,313
very successful.

2429
01:21:56,316 --> 01:21:58,316
you know

2430
01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:01,319
they're not [ inaudible

2431
01:22:02,322 --> 01:22:03,323
] anymore. We hadn't cut a

2432
01:22:03,323 --> 01:22:07,523
deal with the baptist church, we got

2433
01:22:08,262 --> 01:22:11,265
that place, but hansen street is basically

2434
01:22:11,265 --> 01:22:13,265
closed.

2435
01:22:14,268 --> 01:22:15,269
>> we are having some

2436
01:22:15,269 --> 01:22:17,271
ongoing discussions. They do have

2437
01:22:17,271 --> 01:22:20,274
something that we are going to need

2438
01:22:20,274 --> 01:22:22,274
to bring back

2439
01:22:22,276 --> 01:22:23,277
to discuss. Hopefully we are going

2440
01:22:23,277 --> 01:22:25,279
to solve that in

2441
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:26,280
the future. We won't be immediate,

2442
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,280
that's for

2443
01:22:29,283 --> 01:22:30,284
sure.

2444
01:22:30,284 --> 01:22:32,284
>> I'm

2445
01:22:32,286 --> 01:22:35,286
talking about we have problems,

2446
01:22:35,289 --> 01:22:37,291
that's better than a

2447
01:22:37,291 --> 01:22:41,295
deserted square. But I think the change

2448
01:22:41,295 --> 01:22:42,296
is coming.

2449
01:22:42,296 --> 01:22:43,297
>> do

2450
01:22:43,297 --> 01:22:44,298
you think moving the times a little

2451
01:22:44,298 --> 01:22:46,298
bit

2452
01:22:47,301 --> 01:22:48,302
would help?

2453
01:22:48,302 --> 01:22:50,302
>> I really

2454
01:22:53,307 --> 01:22:56,310
can't offer --you are either going

2455
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:59,313
to do it or not so I

2456
01:22:59,313 --> 01:23:01,313
guess --I'd like

2457
01:23:01,315 --> 01:23:06,115
to encourage or keep some of the traffic

2458
01:23:08,255 --> 01:23:11,255
flowing well on reed street

2459
01:23:11,258 --> 01:23:13,658
and hensel. Because it

2460
01:23:14,261 --> 01:23:16,261
does bottleneck

2461
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:24,271
. Could be closed

2462
01:23:24,271 --> 01:23:25,272
around 4:00, too.

2463
01:23:25,272 --> 01:23:26,273
>> cherokee would

2464
01:23:26,273 --> 01:23:27,274
not close until 6:00.

2465
01:23:27,274 --> 01:23:28,275
>> 6:00. You

2466
01:23:28,275 --> 01:23:29,276
can take

2467
01:23:29,276 --> 01:23:30,277
it uninhibited on the cherokee street.

2468
01:23:30,277 --> 01:23:32,677
>> it closes up to

2469
01:23:35,282 --> 01:23:37,282
hensel. Yeah.

2470
01:23:38,285 --> 01:23:40,287
>> and you would still be

2471
01:23:40,287 --> 01:23:41,288
able to flow through our --

2472
01:23:41,288 --> 01:23:42,289
>> you

2473
01:23:42,289 --> 01:23:43,290
can still flow-through hensel and

2474
01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:44,291
get

2475
01:23:44,291 --> 01:23:45,292
back on cherokee and you would be

2476
01:23:45,292 --> 01:23:47,294
able to go on westpark until

2477
01:23:47,294 --> 01:23:49,294
9:00 p.m.

2478
01:23:50,297 --> 01:23:52,297
>> just with all

2479
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:56,303
this smaller streets open as we

2480
01:23:56,303 --> 01:23:57,304
close them.

2481
01:23:57,304 --> 01:23:58,305
>> one section of route

2482
01:23:58,305 --> 01:23:59,306
will

2483
01:23:59,306 --> 01:24:00,307
be closed.

2484
01:24:00,307 --> 01:24:02,307
>> between northpark

2485
01:24:02,309 --> 01:24:05,909
square and hansen would be closed

2486
01:24:08,248 --> 01:24:09,249
at 4:00.

2487
01:24:09,249 --> 01:24:11,249
>> it wouldn't

2488
01:24:14,254 --> 01:24:16,254
affect --

2489
01:24:17,257 --> 01:24:18,258
>> [ inaudible ]. >> it wouldn't affect

2490
01:24:18,258 --> 01:24:19,259
you leaving.

2491
01:24:19,259 --> 01:24:20,260
you just wouldn't be able to get into

2492
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:23,263
northpark to turn on from wood

2493
01:24:23,263 --> 01:24:25,263
street. You

2494
01:24:26,266 --> 01:24:27,267
can leave from

2495
01:24:27,267 --> 01:24:29,269
the parking spaces back behind the

2496
01:24:29,269 --> 01:24:30,270
wall from your place.

2497
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:31,271
>> I'm just

2498
01:24:31,271 --> 01:24:32,272
talking about

2499
01:24:32,272 --> 01:24:33,273
going home.

2500
01:24:33,273 --> 01:24:34,274
>> we have carolyn here

2501
01:24:34,274 --> 01:24:35,275
if she wants to answer anything in

2502
01:24:35,275 --> 01:24:36,276
particular.

2503
01:24:36,276 --> 01:24:39,276
>> folks have had to get

2504
01:24:41,281 --> 01:24:43,281
them before.

2505
01:24:44,284 --> 01:24:46,284
>> definitely would

2506
01:24:47,287 --> 01:24:49,687
want to keep that

2507
01:24:50,290 --> 01:24:51,291
portion open. Wouldn't be able to

2508
01:24:51,291 --> 01:24:53,291
enter from

2509
01:24:53,293 --> 01:24:54,294
the square.

2510
01:24:54,294 --> 01:24:56,294
>> on talking about

2511
01:24:56,296 --> 01:24:57,297
15 cars

2512
01:24:57,297 --> 01:24:59,299
>> really we would just lock

2513
01:24:59,299 --> 01:25:01,299
it at

2514
01:25:01,301 --> 01:25:02,302
the square and he wouldn't have any

2515
01:25:02,302 --> 01:25:04,302
other blockage,

2516
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:06,240
right?

2517
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,242
>> root street would be

2518
01:25:08,242 --> 01:25:10,244
blocked at sugar cakes.

2519
01:25:10,244 --> 01:25:13,247
>> and that's it? >> that's it. Nothing

2520
01:25:13,247 --> 01:25:14,248
beyond their.

2521
01:25:14,248 --> 01:25:15,249
>> that's what I'd like

2522
01:25:15,249 --> 01:25:17,249
to clear

2523
01:25:20,254 --> 01:25:21,255
up. Apologize .

2524
01:25:21,255 --> 01:25:22,256
>> I

2525
01:25:22,256 --> 01:25:23,257
wonder what the problem is.

2526
01:25:23,257 --> 01:25:24,258
>> two

2527
01:25:24,258 --> 01:25:26,260
thirds of our parking lot our uninvited

2528
01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:28,260
guests.

2529
01:25:29,263 --> 01:25:30,264
>> you. >> I don't want to be sued

2530
01:25:30,264 --> 01:25:31,265
by somebody

2531
01:25:31,265 --> 01:25:32,266
that's trespassing.

2532
01:25:32,266 --> 01:25:34,266
>> we wouldn't

2533
01:25:35,269 --> 01:25:37,269
be putting like

2534
01:25:37,271 --> 01:25:40,271
until 9:00 there wouldn't be anything

2535
01:25:42,276 --> 01:25:44,276
blocking church

2536
01:25:47,281 --> 01:25:48,282
so that everybody would be able to

2537
01:25:48,282 --> 01:25:49,283
go

2538
01:25:49,283 --> 01:25:50,284
around.

2539
01:25:50,284 --> 01:25:51,285
>> they wouldn't even be blocking

2540
01:25:51,285 --> 01:25:52,286
at 9:00. The traffic would still be

2541
01:25:52,286 --> 01:25:53,287
able to get down to middle street

2542
01:25:53,287 --> 01:25:54,288
right there. It would just be that

2543
01:25:54,288 --> 01:25:55,289
block from

2544
01:25:55,289 --> 01:25:56,290
mill street forward on that friday

2545
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:57,291
evening.

2546
01:25:57,291 --> 01:25:58,292
>> blocking those restaurants

2547
01:25:58,292 --> 01:26:00,292
and all them.

2548
01:26:00,294 --> 01:26:03,294
>> they will still be open. >>

2549
01:26:03,297 --> 01:26:05,697
every business has a [

2550
01:26:06,233 --> 01:26:08,633
inaudible ]. We are committed

2551
01:26:09,236 --> 01:26:12,236
to the baptist church parking

2552
01:26:14,241 --> 01:26:15,242
there, too.

2553
01:26:15,242 --> 01:26:16,243
>> we'll provide that

2554
01:26:16,243 --> 01:26:18,243
access

2555
01:26:18,245 --> 01:26:20,245
as we

2556
01:26:21,248 --> 01:26:23,248
have been.

2557
01:26:24,251 --> 01:26:27,254
>> so do me a favor. Let's

2558
01:26:27,254 --> 01:26:28,255
restate

2559
01:26:28,255 --> 01:26:30,257
or art in the park, what we're doing

2560
01:26:30,257 --> 01:26:32,259
so it will be on record and

2561
01:26:32,259 --> 01:26:33,260
then we'll get a total group on both.

2562
01:26:33,260 --> 01:26:35,260
>> the friday

2563
01:26:38,265 --> 01:26:39,266
night closures would be northpark

2564
01:26:39,266 --> 01:26:40,267
square at 4:00, south

2565
01:26:40,267 --> 01:26:43,867
park square at 5:00, east park square

2566
01:26:45,272 --> 01:26:48,272
at 6:00 and westpark square at

2567
01:26:48,275 --> 01:26:50,675
9:00 p.m... Then the

2568
01:26:51,278 --> 01:26:53,278
saturday

2569
01:26:54,281 --> 01:26:56,281
and sunday

2570
01:26:57,284 --> 01:26:58,285
--saturday,

2571
01:26:58,285 --> 01:27:00,287
sunday, monday stay the same as they

2572
01:27:00,287 --> 01:27:01,288
have been in the past. Nothing has

2573
01:27:01,288 --> 01:27:03,290
changed so what's in the memo would

2574
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:04,291
be correct and I can provide a

2575
01:27:04,291 --> 01:27:06,226
revised memo for the council meeting

2576
01:27:06,226 --> 01:27:08,626
that details what we

2577
01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:11,231
just discussed.

2578
01:27:11,231 --> 01:27:12,232
>> okay. So I guess

2579
01:27:12,232 --> 01:27:13,233
what we'll do now, all in

2580
01:27:13,233 --> 01:27:15,235
favor of approving what is brought

2581
01:27:15,235 --> 01:27:17,635
before us for the

2582
01:27:18,238 --> 01:27:21,241
juneteenth and also art in the

2583
01:27:21,241 --> 01:27:24,244
park. Do we have a motion? All

2584
01:27:24,244 --> 01:27:25,245
in favor?

2585
01:27:25,245 --> 01:27:27,247
>> were you going to

2586
01:27:27,247 --> 01:27:28,248
use his motion?

2587
01:27:28,248 --> 01:27:30,248
>> we'll just

2588
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:32,250
use

2589
01:27:33,253 --> 01:27:34,254
--

2590
01:27:34,254 --> 01:27:36,254
>> [ inaudible ] motion on

2591
01:27:38,258 --> 01:27:39,259
his wording.

2592
01:27:39,259 --> 01:27:40,260
>> moved and seconded.

2593
01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:42,260
all in

2594
01:27:42,262 --> 01:27:44,262
favor?

2595
01:27:45,265 --> 01:27:47,265
passes 3-0.

2596
01:27:48,268 --> 01:27:50,268
>> point of inquiry

2597
01:27:51,271 --> 01:27:54,274
on this. Now a full thing,

2598
01:27:54,274 --> 01:27:55,275
although closures.

2599
01:27:55,275 --> 01:27:57,275
>>

2600
01:27:57,277 --> 01:27:59,277
those are the

2601
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:01,281
two changes. Are they full

2602
01:28:01,281 --> 01:28:02,282
closure lists now?

2603
01:28:02,282 --> 01:28:03,283
>> we'll now make a

2604
01:28:03,283 --> 01:28:05,283
motion to approve

2605
01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:08,220
all

2606
01:28:08,222 --> 01:28:09,223
of the closures that we discussed

2607
01:28:09,223 --> 01:28:12,223
for juneteenth and also art

2608
01:28:12,226 --> 01:28:15,229
in the park. Do we have a motion?

2609
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:17,629
all of them. A

2610
01:28:20,234 --> 01:28:21,235
whole list.

2611
01:28:21,235 --> 01:28:22,236
>> I'll add there are

2612
01:28:22,236 --> 01:28:23,237
those

2613
01:28:23,237 --> 01:28:24,238
three events on there that also request

2614
01:28:24,238 --> 01:28:26,238
the permission for

2615
01:28:27,241 --> 01:28:29,241
alcohol sales, oktoberfest,

2616
01:28:29,243 --> 01:28:30,244
art in the park and taste of marietta.

2617
01:28:30,244 --> 01:28:31,245
that would be in

2618
01:28:31,245 --> 01:28:32,246
the motion as well.

2619
01:28:32,246 --> 01:28:33,247
>> we'll use that

2620
01:28:33,247 --> 01:28:35,249
motion that rich just

2621
01:28:35,249 --> 01:28:39,253
talk about for all of the events that

2622
01:28:39,253 --> 01:28:41,253
are scheduled. Do

2623
01:28:44,258 --> 01:28:45,259
we have a motion for that?

2624
01:28:45,259 --> 01:28:46,260
>> I'll

2625
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:48,260
make a motion

2626
01:28:50,264 --> 01:28:51,265
for approval for all of the items

2627
01:28:51,265 --> 01:28:53,265
that we just

2628
01:28:54,268 --> 01:28:56,268
discussed, including juneteenth

2629
01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:57,271
and art in the park.

2630
01:28:57,271 --> 01:28:58,272
>> it's been

2631
01:28:58,272 --> 01:29:00,272
moved

2632
01:29:00,274 --> 01:29:03,274
and seconded that we are

2633
01:29:03,277 --> 01:29:06,213
going to approve everything. All

2634
01:29:06,213 --> 01:29:08,213
in favor?

2635
01:29:09,216 --> 01:29:11,216
passes

2636
01:29:12,219 --> 01:29:14,219
3-0. Everybody good

2637
01:29:15,222 --> 01:29:17,222
with consent?

2638
01:29:18,225 --> 01:29:19,226
>> would you like to vote the

2639
01:29:19,226 --> 01:29:21,228
consent or weight and have the revised

2640
01:29:21,228 --> 01:29:22,229
memo? How would you like to handle

2641
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:23,230
that?

2642
01:29:23,230 --> 01:29:24,231
>>

2643
01:29:24,231 --> 01:29:25,232
I provide one anyway, whether you

2644
01:29:25,232 --> 01:29:26,233
move it or not.

2645
01:29:26,233 --> 01:29:27,234
>> let's

2646
01:29:27,234 --> 01:29:29,234
check just

2647
01:29:30,237 --> 01:29:34,437
to see so we can get out

2648
01:29:36,243 --> 01:29:37,244
of here.

2649
01:29:37,244 --> 01:29:39,244
>> five, four,

2650
01:29:39,246 --> 01:29:40,247
three, two, one.

2651
01:29:40,247 --> 01:29:42,247
>>

2652
01:29:42,249 --> 01:29:43,250
no comment.

2653
01:29:43,250 --> 01:29:45,250
>> so we

2654
01:29:45,252 --> 01:29:47,252
are good.

2655
01:29:48,255 --> 01:29:49,256
>> okay. And I'll revise all that.

2656
01:29:49,256 --> 01:29:51,256
>> just revise

2657
01:29:51,258 --> 01:29:54,258
it, bring it back. Perfect.

2658
01:29:54,261 --> 01:29:56,263
thank you. Any other

2659
01:29:56,263 --> 01:29:57,264
things that need to come before parks,

2660
01:29:57,264 --> 01:29:59,264
creation,

2661
01:30:00,267 --> 01:30:02,267
and tourism? We

2662
01:30:02,269 --> 01:30:03,270
are adjourned.

2663
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:05,670
>> okay. I call to

2664
01:30:06,206 --> 01:30:08,606
order the judicial legislative

2665
01:30:09,209 --> 01:30:11,209
community. First item

2666
01:30:12,212 --> 01:30:15,215
of business will be the revised

2667
01:30:15,215 --> 01:30:16,216
minutes.

2668
01:30:16,216 --> 01:30:17,217
>> a motion to

2669
01:30:17,217 --> 01:30:18,218
approve?

2670
01:30:18,218 --> 01:30:20,220
>> got a motion and a second.

2671
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:21,221
any questions, comments, or concerns?

2672
01:30:21,221 --> 01:30:23,221
hearing none, all

2673
01:30:24,224 --> 01:30:27,224
in favor? All right. We've

2674
01:30:28,228 --> 01:30:30,230
got three plus one person who doesn't

2675
01:30:30,230 --> 01:30:32,630
know what he's doing.

2676
01:30:33,233 --> 01:30:35,233
the next item

2677
01:30:36,236 --> 01:30:38,236
of

2678
01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:41,239
business --I

2679
01:30:42,242 --> 01:30:44,242
lost

2680
01:30:44,244 --> 01:30:48,248
it. The next item of business is zoning

2681
01:30:48,248 --> 01:30:49,249
code amendments.

2682
01:30:49,249 --> 01:30:50,250
>> I'm

2683
01:30:50,250 --> 01:30:51,251
going to turn that over to mr. White

2684
01:30:51,251 --> 01:30:53,251
and

2685
01:30:54,254 --> 01:30:55,255
ms. Little.

2686
01:30:55,255 --> 01:30:56,256
>> the legendary

2687
01:30:56,256 --> 01:31:00,260
ray stevens saying it's me here, margaret.

2688
01:31:00,260 --> 01:31:03,860
I'm here I'm back on the

2689
01:31:05,265 --> 01:31:06,266
zoning amendment. We discussed this

2690
01:31:06,266 --> 01:31:07,267
in december after we discussed it

2691
01:31:07,267 --> 01:31:08,268
a

2692
01:31:08,268 --> 01:31:09,269
couple months before december and

2693
01:31:09,269 --> 01:31:11,269
this time I

2694
01:31:12,272 --> 01:31:14,272
tried

2695
01:31:15,275 --> 01:31:17,277
to summarize just a reminder

2696
01:31:17,277 --> 01:31:18,278
of the purpose of the changes for

2697
01:31:18,278 --> 01:31:20,278
the zoning

2698
01:31:21,281 --> 01:31:23,281
amend vent.

2699
01:31:23,283 --> 01:31:24,284
the amendment to the zoning ordinance

2700
01:31:24,284 --> 01:31:25,285
in the first place, that's the first

2701
01:31:25,285 --> 01:31:26,286
three items,

2702
01:31:26,286 --> 01:31:27,287
is just to remind you of what this

2703
01:31:27,287 --> 01:31:29,289
is about, why this got started

2704
01:31:29,289 --> 01:31:31,291
in the first place. And then items

2705
01:31:31,291 --> 01:31:33,291
1

2706
01:31:33,293 --> 01:31:34,294
through 6 are the changes I made based

2707
01:31:34,294 --> 01:31:35,295
on

2708
01:31:35,295 --> 01:31:37,297
feedback I got last month and these

2709
01:31:37,297 --> 01:31:39,297
were sort of

2710
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:42,700
also sent to shelby

2711
01:31:43,303 --> 01:31:44,304
and rusty and I think

2712
01:31:44,304 --> 01:31:46,306
shelby had to mention a couple things

2713
01:31:46,306 --> 01:31:48,308
that I also incorporated

2714
01:31:48,308 --> 01:31:49,309
that were consistent with what was

2715
01:31:49,309 --> 01:31:50,310
brought up in the

2716
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:51,311
last meeting. I can go through those

2717
01:31:51,311 --> 01:31:52,312
individually if you want but hopefully

2718
01:31:52,312 --> 01:31:54,312
you've had

2719
01:31:54,314 --> 01:31:56,316
a chance to look at them and I did

2720
01:31:56,316 --> 01:31:58,318
want to point out at the end there

2721
01:31:58,318 --> 01:32:00,318
was a request

2722
01:32:03,323 --> 01:32:04,324
made that alternative language be

2723
01:32:04,324 --> 01:32:05,259
proposed for those two

2724
01:32:05,259 --> 01:32:07,261
sections. So let me just address maybe

2725
01:32:07,261 --> 01:32:10,264
it is helpful to go back and

2726
01:32:10,264 --> 01:32:11,265
remind you

2727
01:32:11,265 --> 01:32:13,267
but the three main categories that

2728
01:32:13,267 --> 01:32:16,267
we are addressing in this

2729
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:17,271
amendment are to adopt a

2730
01:32:17,271 --> 01:32:19,273
distinction between the zoning decisions

2731
01:32:19,273 --> 01:32:20,274
and because I judicial

2732
01:32:20,274 --> 01:32:22,276
decisions that's enacted in the cpl.

2733
01:32:22,276 --> 01:32:24,276
we

2734
01:32:27,281 --> 01:32:28,282
are also updating and enacting the

2735
01:32:28,282 --> 01:32:29,283
procedures and

2736
01:32:29,283 --> 01:32:30,284
policies for council bza and planning

2737
01:32:30,284 --> 01:32:31,285
commission that were required by the

2738
01:32:31,285 --> 01:32:32,286
cbl and

2739
01:32:32,286 --> 01:32:34,288
then updating the appeal portions,

2740
01:32:34,288 --> 01:32:35,289
the judicial review portions

2741
01:32:35,289 --> 01:32:37,291
so that's the main purpose. Then you will

2742
01:32:37,291 --> 01:32:40,294
see each one of these things,

2743
01:32:40,294 --> 01:32:42,294
in

2744
01:32:43,297 --> 01:32:45,297
section 1

2745
01:32:45,299 --> 01:32:46,300
, this is what rusty had pointed out

2746
01:32:46,300 --> 01:32:47,301
to me right before the

2747
01:32:47,301 --> 01:32:49,303
last meeting so I added it to this

2748
01:32:49,303 --> 01:32:51,305
one that their language and

2749
01:32:51,305 --> 01:32:52,306
704 06 probably needed to be updated.

2750
01:32:52,306 --> 01:32:53,307
it was old language that

2751
01:32:53,307 --> 01:32:54,308
really was talking about variances

2752
01:32:54,308 --> 01:32:55,309
but calling them special exceptions.

2753
01:32:55,309 --> 01:32:58,309
so I just updated that

2754
01:32:58,312 --> 01:33:00,312
section

2755
01:33:00,314 --> 01:33:01,315
to reflect the language that we are

2756
01:33:01,315 --> 01:33:03,315
adopting

2757
01:33:04,318 --> 01:33:07,318
now about zoning decisions and

2758
01:33:10,257 --> 01:33:12,257
quasijudicial decisions

2759
01:33:12,259 --> 01:33:13,260
. I'll just go through these all quickly

2760
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:14,261
and you

2761
01:33:14,261 --> 01:33:16,263
can come back and ask me questions

2762
01:33:16,263 --> 01:33:17,264
about them. But number two, the second

2763
01:33:17,264 --> 01:33:18,265
change

2764
01:33:18,265 --> 01:33:19,266
we made after the last one was to

2765
01:33:19,266 --> 01:33:20,267
update the language about temporary

2766
01:33:20,267 --> 01:33:21,268
buildings,

2767
01:33:21,268 --> 01:33:22,269
to incorporate the language. There

2768
01:33:22,269 --> 01:33:23,270
is one correction noted last time

2769
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:24,271
and then also we

2770
01:33:24,271 --> 01:33:25,272
noted there was a recommendation that

2771
01:33:25,272 --> 01:33:26,273
we could clear the temporary buildings

2772
01:33:26,273 --> 01:33:28,273
while there

2773
01:33:28,275 --> 01:33:30,675
is an act of

2774
01:33:31,278 --> 01:33:33,278
construction permit.

2775
01:33:36,283 --> 01:33:37,284
we talked back and forth about vacancies,

2776
01:33:37,284 --> 01:33:39,284
automatic

2777
01:33:40,287 --> 01:33:41,288
vacancies on the planning

2778
01:33:41,288 --> 01:33:43,290
commission at the bza. I lined those

2779
01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,293
up to reflect the things you agreed

2780
01:33:46,293 --> 01:33:49,893
on, which I think we watched

2781
01:33:52,299 --> 01:33:53,300
the meeting, what we

2782
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:54,301
could tell, there is general agreement

2783
01:33:54,301 --> 01:33:55,302
it could be three meetings within

2784
01:33:55,302 --> 01:33:56,303
a year, a

2785
01:33:56,303 --> 01:33:57,304
calendar year, that would trigger

2786
01:33:57,304 --> 01:33:58,305
an absence. There never seemed to

2787
01:33:58,305 --> 01:34:00,305
be any consensus

2788
01:34:01,308 --> 01:34:02,309
about whether that's automatic or

2789
01:34:02,309 --> 01:34:04,311
who decides what just cause is or

2790
01:34:04,311 --> 01:34:06,311
anything

2791
01:34:08,248 --> 01:34:10,250
like that. I left that language in

2792
01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:11,251
there about without just cause in,

2793
01:34:11,251 --> 01:34:12,252
because there wasn't a consensus.

2794
01:34:12,252 --> 01:34:13,253
but there is a proposed alternative

2795
01:34:13,253 --> 01:34:15,253
language on the

2796
01:34:15,255 --> 01:34:16,256
second page that would make a referral

2797
01:34:16,256 --> 01:34:18,256
to council

2798
01:34:19,259 --> 01:34:22,259
and you can --basically what

2799
01:34:22,262 --> 01:34:23,263
the alternative language

2800
01:34:23,263 --> 01:34:25,265
says actually amounts to a resignation

2801
01:34:25,265 --> 01:34:27,265
but that resignation

2802
01:34:28,268 --> 01:34:29,269
is forwarded to you so you can

2803
01:34:29,269 --> 01:34:31,271
decide whether to accept it or find

2804
01:34:31,271 --> 01:34:32,272
there was just cause were not. So that's

2805
01:34:32,272 --> 01:34:34,274
kind of the in between or compromise

2806
01:34:34,274 --> 01:34:36,274
language I

2807
01:34:36,276 --> 01:34:37,277
offered their for that suggestion.

2808
01:34:37,277 --> 01:34:39,277
and then in

2809
01:34:43,283 --> 01:34:45,283
section nine,

2810
01:34:48,288 --> 01:34:49,289
there is a category of decisions that

2811
01:34:49,289 --> 01:34:52,292
were able to be appealed to

2812
01:34:52,292 --> 01:34:54,292
the bza. That

2813
01:34:54,294 --> 01:34:55,295
change was made based on recommendation

2814
01:34:55,295 --> 01:34:57,295
from

2815
01:34:58,298 --> 01:35:00,698
ms. Little. And then

2816
01:35:04,304 --> 01:35:06,240
both 720

2817
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:07,241
07 and 720 04f were updated to remove

2818
01:35:07,241 --> 01:35:10,244
the language about the conflict of

2819
01:35:10,244 --> 01:35:12,244
interest rules and 720.05

2820
01:35:13,247 --> 01:35:15,247
and 720.04 were

2821
01:35:18,252 --> 01:35:19,253
just removed it as the restriction

2822
01:35:19,253 --> 01:35:20,254
on numbers appearing before their

2823
01:35:20,254 --> 01:35:21,255
boards, that

2824
01:35:21,255 --> 01:35:22,256
was removed. Then there was a suggestion

2825
01:35:22,256 --> 01:35:25,256
made that I didn't add

2826
01:35:25,259 --> 01:35:27,261
it to it but we are welcome

2827
01:35:27,261 --> 01:35:31,265
to use it. That's the bottom of this

2828
01:35:31,265 --> 01:35:32,266
page saying members are subject to

2829
01:35:32,266 --> 01:35:34,266
the code

2830
01:35:34,268 --> 01:35:37,271
of ethics and I just referenced

2831
01:35:37,271 --> 01:35:40,274
the article and then the last thing

2832
01:35:40,274 --> 01:35:42,274
to

2833
01:35:43,277 --> 01:35:45,279
note is the language in 722.11

2834
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:46,280
regarding appeals of zoning decisions.

2835
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,280
the cbl now

2836
01:35:49,283 --> 01:35:51,283
uses

2837
01:35:52,286 --> 01:35:53,287
the term for when

2838
01:35:53,287 --> 01:35:55,289
it's talking about appeals of zoning

2839
01:35:55,289 --> 01:35:57,689
decision. It talks about

2840
01:36:00,294 --> 01:36:01,295
challenging them so instead of saying

2841
01:36:01,295 --> 01:36:02,296
appeal or judicial review, it

2842
01:36:02,296 --> 01:36:03,297
talks about challenging the constitutionality.

2843
01:36:03,297 --> 01:36:04,298
this legislature adopted that based

2844
01:36:04,298 --> 01:36:06,233
on the

2845
01:36:06,233 --> 01:36:07,234
case law that's basically built up

2846
01:36:07,234 --> 01:36:10,234
over the years. I changed

2847
01:36:10,237 --> 01:36:11,238
hours, instead of

2848
01:36:11,238 --> 01:36:13,240
making them both petitions for review.

2849
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:14,241
the first one talks about bringing

2850
01:36:14,241 --> 01:36:16,241
an

2851
01:36:16,243 --> 01:36:18,243
appeal as

2852
01:36:22,249 --> 01:36:23,250
a challenge . It's a

2853
01:36:23,250 --> 01:36:25,252
very arcane legal distinction but

2854
01:36:25,252 --> 01:36:29,452
you bring a challenge to a zoning

2855
01:36:31,258 --> 01:36:32,259
decision under equity --basically

2856
01:36:32,259 --> 01:36:33,260
under

2857
01:36:33,260 --> 01:36:34,261
the declaratory judgment action. That's

2858
01:36:34,261 --> 01:36:37,861
what the zbl says so I

2859
01:36:40,267 --> 01:36:42,267
changed

2860
01:36:42,269 --> 01:36:43,270
that draft to say that and then the

2861
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:44,271
bza appeals and the appeals of

2862
01:36:44,271 --> 01:36:45,272
variances, basically quasijudicial

2863
01:36:45,272 --> 01:36:46,273
decisions are now under the petition

2864
01:36:46,273 --> 01:36:49,273
for review. So that's another

2865
01:36:49,276 --> 01:36:52,279
change that was made since the

2866
01:36:52,279 --> 01:36:53,280
last meeting that I don't think was

2867
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:54,281
discussed at all,

2868
01:36:54,281 --> 01:36:55,282
so I make sure you understood what

2869
01:36:55,282 --> 01:36:57,284
I was doing your. Those are the

2870
01:36:57,284 --> 01:36:58,285
changes I made. There is the reasons.

2871
01:36:58,285 --> 01:37:00,287
happy to answer any more questions

2872
01:37:00,287 --> 01:37:01,288
but just as far as next steps, this

2873
01:37:01,288 --> 01:37:03,290
is like any other zoning code amendment.

2874
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:04,291
it would need to be advertised and

2875
01:37:04,291 --> 01:37:05,225
go before the planning commission

2876
01:37:05,225 --> 01:37:07,225
and back

2877
01:37:07,227 --> 01:37:09,227
before

2878
01:37:09,229 --> 01:37:10,230
you so even if you still want to talk

2879
01:37:10,230 --> 01:37:12,232
some more I would suggest

2880
01:37:12,232 --> 01:37:14,234
let's get it on the cycle for getting

2881
01:37:14,234 --> 01:37:15,235
it before the planning

2882
01:37:15,235 --> 01:37:16,236
commission and then it would have

2883
01:37:16,236 --> 01:37:17,237
to be advertised for 15 days before

2884
01:37:17,237 --> 01:37:19,237
that or

2885
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,240
just before

2886
01:37:23,243 --> 01:37:24,244
your meetings.

2887
01:37:24,244 --> 01:37:26,244
>> so I have

2888
01:37:29,249 --> 01:37:32,252
a question. Yes. I'm sorry, go

2889
01:37:32,252 --> 01:37:33,253
ahead.

2890
01:37:33,253 --> 01:37:35,255
the zoning --it's on here as a request

2891
01:37:35,255 --> 01:37:37,255
to update zoning

2892
01:37:38,258 --> 01:37:40,258
procedures, not as

2893
01:37:41,261 --> 01:37:43,661
a direct the staff

2894
01:37:46,266 --> 01:37:47,267
to advertise.

2895
01:37:47,267 --> 01:37:48,268
>> if you want to go

2896
01:37:48,268 --> 01:37:50,268
forward,

2897
01:37:50,270 --> 01:37:52,270
that should

2898
01:37:52,272 --> 01:37:56,276
be added. For the city to advertise

2899
01:37:56,276 --> 01:37:58,676
and conduct the requirements.

2900
01:37:59,279 --> 01:38:02,282
>> okay. >> for the people that were

2901
01:38:02,282 --> 01:38:05,882
on the committee, do I have

2902
01:38:08,222 --> 01:38:10,222
a motion?

2903
01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:17,231
>> [ inaudible ]. >> okay, first let

2904
01:38:17,231 --> 01:38:19,233
me ask, are there questions or

2905
01:38:19,233 --> 01:38:20,234
concerns? What is your concern, sir?

2906
01:38:20,234 --> 01:38:22,234
>> right now there

2907
01:38:23,237 --> 01:38:24,238
are three. The

2908
01:38:24,238 --> 01:38:28,438
first two are dealing with those alternate

2909
01:38:32,246 --> 01:38:34,246
language choices.

2910
01:38:34,248 --> 01:38:35,249
[ inaudible ] to make that choice

2911
01:38:35,249 --> 01:38:36,250
whenever emotion is made

2912
01:38:36,250 --> 01:38:38,252
as to which language you want to use,

2913
01:38:38,252 --> 01:38:39,253
whether it's the --for the

2914
01:38:39,253 --> 01:38:41,255
vacancy language, whether it's an

2915
01:38:41,255 --> 01:38:42,256
automatic vacancy or whether

2916
01:38:42,256 --> 01:38:44,258
it's --whether it comes back before

2917
01:38:44,258 --> 01:38:46,258
us for

2918
01:38:47,261 --> 01:38:48,262
our decision. The conflict of interest

2919
01:38:48,262 --> 01:38:50,264
languages to reference back to our

2920
01:38:50,264 --> 01:38:52,266
ethics code and the final one

2921
01:38:52,266 --> 01:38:53,267
just a question about the state last

2922
01:38:53,267 --> 01:38:55,267
month

2923
01:38:56,270 --> 01:38:58,270
over on page

2924
01:38:59,273 --> 01:39:02,276
16. How would you like me to

2925
01:39:02,276 --> 01:39:03,277
handle that? How would you like to

2926
01:39:03,277 --> 01:39:05,212
make

2927
01:39:05,212 --> 01:39:07,214
the motions? One at a time?

2928
01:39:07,214 --> 01:39:08,215
>> yes, [ inaudible ]. >> good with

2929
01:39:08,215 --> 01:39:10,215
the vacancy

2930
01:39:12,219 --> 01:39:14,221
language first. Right now again it

2931
01:39:14,221 --> 01:39:16,221
says it's automatic

2932
01:39:18,225 --> 01:39:20,227
vacancy with an exception for just

2933
01:39:20,227 --> 01:39:22,227
cause, but

2934
01:39:24,231 --> 01:39:26,233
again, doesn't specify who determines

2935
01:39:26,233 --> 01:39:27,234
what just cause is. Because of the

2936
01:39:27,234 --> 01:39:29,236
importance of making sure we have

2937
01:39:29,236 --> 01:39:30,237
a functioning board and have had members

2938
01:39:30,237 --> 01:39:31,238
attending,

2939
01:39:31,238 --> 01:39:32,239
I think that is important that once

2940
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:34,239
you hit

2941
01:39:34,241 --> 01:39:35,242
that three that it's basically an

2942
01:39:35,242 --> 01:39:37,242
automatic-they

2943
01:39:41,248 --> 01:39:43,248
are basically

2944
01:39:44,251 --> 01:39:45,252
shall be considered for resignation

2945
01:39:45,252 --> 01:39:46,253
from

2946
01:39:46,253 --> 01:39:47,254
the board and then that resignation

2947
01:39:47,254 --> 01:39:48,255
gets forwarded along to us to make

2948
01:39:48,255 --> 01:39:49,256
that

2949
01:39:49,256 --> 01:39:50,257
final decision whether to accept or

2950
01:39:50,257 --> 01:39:51,258
find that there is just cause to allow

2951
01:39:51,258 --> 01:39:53,258
them

2952
01:39:53,260 --> 01:39:54,261
to continue. That will be my personal

2953
01:39:54,261 --> 01:39:57,861
preference on that one as opposed

2954
01:39:58,265 --> 01:39:59,266
to automatic, they removed but we

2955
01:39:59,266 --> 01:40:00,267
don't

2956
01:40:00,267 --> 01:40:02,269
determine how just cause is determined

2957
01:40:02,269 --> 01:40:04,269
and that's

2958
01:40:05,205 --> 01:40:06,206
current language. I think the council

2959
01:40:06,206 --> 01:40:07,207
action

2960
01:40:07,207 --> 01:40:08,208
is important in this one since we

2961
01:40:08,208 --> 01:40:10,208
are

2962
01:40:10,210 --> 01:40:11,211
the ones to [ inaudible ], we should

2963
01:40:11,211 --> 01:40:13,611
be the ones to

2964
01:40:14,214 --> 01:40:17,214
remove it, if that's the

2965
01:40:17,217 --> 01:40:18,218
case.

2966
01:40:18,218 --> 01:40:20,220
>> you are saying the language

2967
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:23,223
on page two is what you're

2968
01:40:23,223 --> 01:40:24,224
comfortable with.

2969
01:40:24,224 --> 01:40:25,225
>> it shall

2970
01:40:25,225 --> 01:40:26,226
be considered for resignation from

2971
01:40:26,226 --> 01:40:28,226
the

2972
01:40:29,229 --> 01:40:30,230
board rather than just

2973
01:40:30,230 --> 01:40:32,232
saying resignation from the board.

2974
01:40:32,232 --> 01:40:33,233
that is the one change I'd

2975
01:40:33,233 --> 01:40:35,235
add just language-wise, just for flow

2976
01:40:35,235 --> 01:40:38,238
of the sentence. But the rest of

2977
01:40:38,238 --> 01:40:40,238
that gets

2978
01:40:41,241 --> 01:40:42,242
my concern.

2979
01:40:42,242 --> 01:40:44,244
and it forces us to have to consider

2980
01:40:44,244 --> 01:40:46,244
an action

2981
01:40:47,247 --> 01:40:48,248
on

2982
01:40:48,248 --> 01:40:49,249
that once they hit that three.

2983
01:40:49,249 --> 01:40:50,250
>>

2984
01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:53,250
okay, so taking these individuals

2985
01:40:53,253 --> 01:40:55,653
at three, do I

2986
01:40:56,256 --> 01:40:59,259
have a motion on the alternative board

2987
01:40:59,259 --> 01:41:01,259
vacancy

2988
01:41:01,261 --> 01:41:02,262
language? So what mr. Goldstein is

2989
01:41:02,262 --> 01:41:04,662
saying is the language

2990
01:41:08,268 --> 01:41:09,269
on page two, which

2991
01:41:09,269 --> 01:41:11,271
says the failure of a board member

2992
01:41:11,271 --> 01:41:12,272
to attend three regular meetings within

2993
01:41:12,272 --> 01:41:13,273
a calendar

2994
01:41:13,273 --> 01:41:14,274
year shall be considered for resignation

2995
01:41:14,274 --> 01:41:16,274
from

2996
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:21,281
the board. Such resignation shall

2997
01:41:21,281 --> 01:41:22,282
be

2998
01:41:22,282 --> 01:41:23,283
forwarded to city council, who may

2999
01:41:23,283 --> 01:41:25,285
accept the resignation or

3000
01:41:25,285 --> 01:41:26,286
may decline to accept it if it finds

3001
01:41:26,286 --> 01:41:29,886
just cause exists for the absence.

3002
01:41:34,294 --> 01:41:35,295
and then it continues on. So do I

3003
01:41:35,295 --> 01:41:38,295
have a motion for that

3004
01:41:38,298 --> 01:41:42,498
language or to leave it as it

3005
01:41:44,304 --> 01:41:45,305
is, which --is it in here?

3006
01:41:45,305 --> 01:41:47,305
>>

3007
01:41:47,307 --> 01:41:49,307
it is. It's

3008
01:41:52,312 --> 01:41:53,313
in section --

3009
01:41:53,313 --> 01:41:55,313
>> 723. >> it's in 723

3010
01:41:59,319 --> 01:42:00,320
and 722-04.

3011
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:01,321
>> thank you. The current

3012
01:42:01,321 --> 01:42:02,322
language

3013
01:42:02,322 --> 01:42:04,322
is page

3014
01:42:08,262 --> 01:42:10,262
six I.

3015
01:42:14,268 --> 01:42:15,269
so I now says failure of a board member

3016
01:42:15,269 --> 01:42:16,270
to

3017
01:42:16,270 --> 01:42:17,271
attend three regular meetings within

3018
01:42:17,271 --> 01:42:20,271
a calendar year without just

3019
01:42:22,276 --> 01:42:23,277
cause shall be considered resignation

3020
01:42:23,277 --> 01:42:26,277
from the board to. Upon

3021
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,280
such

3022
01:42:28,282 --> 01:42:29,283
automatic resignation, resignation

3023
01:42:29,283 --> 01:42:30,284
by other means, or other

3024
01:42:30,284 --> 01:42:31,285
vacancies occurring, the chairman

3025
01:42:31,285 --> 01:42:32,286
shall inform the city council. So

3026
01:42:32,286 --> 01:42:34,286
this

3027
01:42:37,291 --> 01:42:38,292
one is an automatic. You missed three,

3028
01:42:38,292 --> 01:42:40,294
you're out unless you have

3029
01:42:40,294 --> 01:42:41,295
just cause. The other question I guess

3030
01:42:41,295 --> 01:42:42,296
that mr. Goldstein is raising his

3031
01:42:42,296 --> 01:42:43,297
what's just

3032
01:42:43,297 --> 01:42:44,298
cause. Should that be determined by

3033
01:42:44,298 --> 01:42:46,698
the board or should

3034
01:42:47,301 --> 01:42:50,301
that come up here to

3035
01:42:53,307 --> 01:42:55,307
be determined?

3036
01:42:58,312 --> 01:42:59,313
>> that's policy decision. This is

3037
01:42:59,313 --> 01:43:01,315
adopted from the bylaws so I

3038
01:43:01,315 --> 01:43:02,316
guess at some point the boards adopted

3039
01:43:02,316 --> 01:43:04,316
these

3040
01:43:04,318 --> 01:43:06,253
bylaws and said, I guess they originated

3041
01:43:06,253 --> 01:43:08,253
as

3042
01:43:08,255 --> 01:43:09,256
the board determining, the border

3043
01:43:09,256 --> 01:43:10,257
of the planning commission,

3044
01:43:10,257 --> 01:43:12,259
whichever one it was, determining

3045
01:43:12,259 --> 01:43:14,259
just cause

3046
01:43:14,261 --> 01:43:15,262
so that they policy preference. I

3047
01:43:15,262 --> 01:43:17,662
think that it is

3048
01:43:18,265 --> 01:43:20,265
appropriate to have

3049
01:43:21,268 --> 01:43:23,268
somebody make

3050
01:43:27,274 --> 01:43:29,274
the decision

3051
01:43:29,276 --> 01:43:30,277
and the council needs to say, if you

3052
01:43:30,277 --> 01:43:31,278
are fine with it

3053
01:43:31,278 --> 01:43:32,279
being the board, we can put language

3054
01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:33,280
in there saying the bza were the planning

3055
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,282
commission makes the decision about

3056
01:43:35,282 --> 01:43:36,283
what just cause is but I think it

3057
01:43:36,283 --> 01:43:37,284
would

3058
01:43:37,284 --> 01:43:38,285
be wise to say [ inaudible ].

3059
01:43:38,285 --> 01:43:39,286
>> I'm

3060
01:43:39,286 --> 01:43:40,287
going to step out and

3061
01:43:40,287 --> 01:43:42,289
say that I make a motion for the alternative

3062
01:43:42,289 --> 01:43:44,689
board vacancy language where

3063
01:43:45,292 --> 01:43:48,295
just cause is determined at city

3064
01:43:48,295 --> 01:43:50,295
council, not at

3065
01:43:51,298 --> 01:43:53,298
the board.

3066
01:43:54,301 --> 01:43:56,701
any discussion before we

3067
01:43:57,304 --> 01:43:59,304
go

3068
01:44:03,310 --> 01:44:04,311
forward?

3069
01:44:04,311 --> 01:44:06,246
>> they missed three

3070
01:44:06,246 --> 01:44:08,248
regular meetings with a

3071
01:44:08,248 --> 01:44:09,249
calendar year.

3072
01:44:09,249 --> 01:44:10,250
>> right. >> if they

3073
01:44:10,250 --> 01:44:11,251
have

3074
01:44:11,251 --> 01:44:12,252
a surgery or a heart attack or something,

3075
01:44:12,252 --> 01:44:15,252
they have a letter from

3076
01:44:15,255 --> 01:44:17,255
their doctor.

3077
01:44:17,257 --> 01:44:18,258
>> then it comes up here and we decide

3078
01:44:18,258 --> 01:44:20,260
whether or not that's just

3079
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:21,261
cause.

3080
01:44:21,261 --> 01:44:22,262
>> it still comes up here.

3081
01:44:22,262 --> 01:44:24,262
>> at least under

3082
01:44:27,267 --> 01:44:29,267
this alternative

3083
01:44:29,269 --> 01:44:30,270
language.

3084
01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:31,271
>> under the motion I am

3085
01:44:31,271 --> 01:44:32,272
making it would come up here

3086
01:44:32,272 --> 01:44:33,273
for us to determine whether or not

3087
01:44:33,273 --> 01:44:35,275
that's just cause. Even with a

3088
01:44:35,275 --> 01:44:36,276
heart attack, you know they've got

3089
01:44:36,276 --> 01:44:38,276
you up and

3090
01:44:38,278 --> 01:44:39,279
moving around. Never had a heart attack.

3091
01:44:39,279 --> 01:44:41,279
I

3092
01:44:41,281 --> 01:44:44,881
don't know. Pretty quickly. This is

3093
01:44:45,285 --> 01:44:46,286
90

3094
01:44:46,286 --> 01:44:48,288
days. This is 90 days you couldn't

3095
01:44:48,288 --> 01:44:50,288
make

3096
01:44:51,291 --> 01:44:53,691
it back. My motion

3097
01:44:56,296 --> 01:44:57,297
is that you go with the language that

3098
01:44:57,297 --> 01:44:59,299
says just cause is

3099
01:44:59,299 --> 01:45:00,300
determined up here at council. And

3100
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:02,300
I've

3101
01:45:02,302 --> 01:45:03,303
got a second. Anybody else? I'm looking

3102
01:45:03,303 --> 01:45:05,303
at

3103
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,240
the

3104
01:45:09,243 --> 01:45:10,244
mayor.

3105
01:45:10,244 --> 01:45:11,245
>> I have a question. >>

3106
01:45:11,245 --> 01:45:12,246
oh, please.

3107
01:45:12,246 --> 01:45:13,247
>> everyday language,

3108
01:45:13,247 --> 01:45:15,249
does that mean it would

3109
01:45:15,249 --> 01:45:17,249
automatically go to

3110
01:45:18,252 --> 01:45:19,253
[ inaudible ]?

3111
01:45:19,253 --> 01:45:21,255
>> yes, they are automatically

3112
01:45:21,255 --> 01:45:23,255
--they

3113
01:45:24,258 --> 01:45:25,259
have resigned. They submitted

3114
01:45:25,259 --> 01:45:27,261
for resignation and then it comes

3115
01:45:27,261 --> 01:45:29,261
up

3116
01:45:33,267 --> 01:45:34,268
here and we say thank

3117
01:45:34,268 --> 01:45:36,270
you, it's been really nice having

3118
01:45:36,270 --> 01:45:37,271
you. Know, we really want you to stay,

3119
01:45:37,271 --> 01:45:39,271
you

3120
01:45:39,273 --> 01:45:40,274
had cause. Or --

3121
01:45:40,274 --> 01:45:41,275
>> this would happen

3122
01:45:41,275 --> 01:45:42,276
automatically? At

3123
01:45:42,276 --> 01:45:43,277
the

3124
01:45:43,277 --> 01:45:45,279
following meeting? At the following

3125
01:45:45,279 --> 01:45:47,279
meeting of

3126
01:45:49,283 --> 01:45:51,285
city council, upon this condition

3127
01:45:51,285 --> 01:45:53,285
be met?

3128
01:45:54,288 --> 01:45:56,688
>> yes. >> it's my question

3129
01:45:59,293 --> 01:46:00,294
for doug. When it comes to the council,

3130
01:46:00,294 --> 01:46:02,296
will it be voted

3131
01:46:02,296 --> 01:46:03,297
on?

3132
01:46:03,297 --> 01:46:04,298
>> yes sir, it will be in public.

3133
01:46:04,298 --> 01:46:06,233
they supply whatever

3134
01:46:06,233 --> 01:46:08,233
just cause.

3135
01:46:08,235 --> 01:46:11,835
>> I guess appealed it, not appealed

3136
01:46:15,242 --> 01:46:16,243
it --

3137
01:46:16,243 --> 01:46:17,244
>>

3138
01:46:17,244 --> 01:46:18,245
could it be an executive session issue?

3139
01:46:18,245 --> 01:46:20,245
>> I would not

3140
01:46:21,248 --> 01:46:22,249
think so.

3141
01:46:22,249 --> 01:46:24,249
>> it's

3142
01:46:24,251 --> 01:46:26,651
not considered a personnel?

3143
01:46:27,254 --> 01:46:29,256
the vote would have to be --

3144
01:46:29,256 --> 01:46:30,257
>> the vote would have to be public

3145
01:46:30,257 --> 01:46:32,257
but

3146
01:46:35,262 --> 01:46:36,263
the reason --

3147
01:46:36,263 --> 01:46:37,264
>> I guess it would depend

3148
01:46:37,264 --> 01:46:38,265
on the reason, and if it's

3149
01:46:38,265 --> 01:46:39,266
confidential medical information it

3150
01:46:39,266 --> 01:46:41,266
could be

3151
01:46:41,268 --> 01:46:42,269
executive session.

3152
01:46:42,269 --> 01:46:43,270
>> [ inaudible

3153
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:44,271
].

3154
01:46:44,271 --> 01:46:45,272
>> so that

3155
01:46:45,272 --> 01:46:46,273
would be an ad hoc decision.

3156
01:46:46,273 --> 01:46:48,273
>>

3157
01:46:51,278 --> 01:46:52,279
yes or.

3158
01:46:52,279 --> 01:46:54,281
>> okay, again we've got

3159
01:46:54,281 --> 01:46:56,281
a motion and

3160
01:46:57,284 --> 01:46:59,286
a second. The discussion. All in

3161
01:46:59,286 --> 01:47:03,290
favor? It's 3-0. So that's just that,

3162
01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:05,225
okay? What's next?

3163
01:47:05,225 --> 01:47:06,226
>> the second one is with the conflict

3164
01:47:06,226 --> 01:47:08,228
of interest language. The code of

3165
01:47:08,228 --> 01:47:09,229
ethics already covers what they can

3166
01:47:09,229 --> 01:47:11,229
and can't vote

3167
01:47:14,234 --> 01:47:15,235
on so it would be better just to have

3168
01:47:15,235 --> 01:47:17,237
a reference back to

3169
01:47:17,237 --> 01:47:18,238
that to make it clear who is trying

3170
01:47:18,238 --> 01:47:20,238
to interpret

3171
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:21,241
something else when they already have

3172
01:47:21,241 --> 01:47:23,241
something they have

3173
01:47:23,243 --> 01:47:26,843
to follow. And just make reference

3174
01:47:27,247 --> 01:47:29,247
to it so

3175
01:47:30,250 --> 01:47:31,251
they'll work [ inaudible ].

3176
01:47:31,251 --> 01:47:33,251
>>

3177
01:47:33,253 --> 01:47:35,653
so the two conditions

3178
01:47:36,256 --> 01:47:38,256
are what's written

3179
01:47:41,261 --> 01:47:42,262
here, which says the board members

3180
01:47:42,262 --> 01:47:44,264
are subject to the code

3181
01:47:44,264 --> 01:47:45,265
of ethics as set forth in chapter

3182
01:47:45,265 --> 01:47:48,865
14, article one of the city's code

3183
01:47:49,269 --> 01:47:51,271
of ordinances, abuse of office and

3184
01:47:51,271 --> 01:47:52,272
conflict of interest. This language

3185
01:47:52,272 --> 01:47:54,272
says

3186
01:47:57,277 --> 01:47:58,278
that so the alternative language --

3187
01:47:58,278 --> 01:47:59,279
>> that's

3188
01:47:59,279 --> 01:48:00,280
the alternative language.

3189
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:01,281
>> okay.

3190
01:48:01,281 --> 01:48:03,281
the current language

3191
01:48:03,283 --> 01:48:04,284
says --

3192
01:48:04,284 --> 01:48:06,220
>> the strikethrough language

3193
01:48:06,220 --> 01:48:08,220
right now.

3194
01:48:12,226 --> 01:48:14,228
>> okay, b 2, that does

3195
01:48:14,228 --> 01:48:15,229
not say what I needed to say.

3196
01:48:15,229 --> 01:48:16,230
>> that's

3197
01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:18,230
the

3198
01:48:21,235 --> 01:48:22,236
current language. The alternative

3199
01:48:22,236 --> 01:48:24,236
language reference to

3200
01:48:24,238 --> 01:48:25,239
the code of ethics.

3201
01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:27,239
>> I think

3202
01:48:27,241 --> 01:48:30,244
it was supposed to be three.

3203
01:48:30,244 --> 01:48:32,244
did

3204
01:48:32,246 --> 01:48:33,247
I?

3205
01:48:33,247 --> 01:48:34,248
>> okay. I'm reading b 2 and I'm

3206
01:48:34,248 --> 01:48:36,248
going, that [

3207
01:48:36,250 --> 01:48:37,251
inaudible ].

3208
01:48:37,251 --> 01:48:38,252
>> I'm talking about

3209
01:48:38,252 --> 01:48:39,253
b 3.

3210
01:48:39,253 --> 01:48:40,254
>> page 8, down at the bottom,

3211
01:48:40,254 --> 01:48:42,254
in red and

3212
01:48:45,259 --> 01:48:46,260
it says b3. New board member shall

3213
01:48:46,260 --> 01:48:47,261
here or vote

3214
01:48:47,261 --> 01:48:48,262
upon any appellate which he or she

3215
01:48:48,262 --> 01:48:51,262
is directly or indirectly interested

3216
01:48:54,268 --> 01:48:57,271
in a personal or financial way.

3217
01:48:57,271 --> 01:48:58,272
so that kind of states what's in the

3218
01:48:58,272 --> 01:48:59,273
ethics,

3219
01:48:59,273 --> 01:49:03,277
kind of. But the other language says

3220
01:49:03,277 --> 01:49:05,277
turn

3221
01:49:06,213 --> 01:49:07,214
to the ethics ordinance for your guidance.

3222
01:49:07,214 --> 01:49:09,214
>> just

3223
01:49:09,216 --> 01:49:10,217
for context, this was probably adopted

3224
01:49:10,217 --> 01:49:12,617
before the ethics code

3225
01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:14,221
so it had the

3226
01:49:14,221 --> 01:49:16,223
more general language. Ethics code

3227
01:49:16,223 --> 01:49:19,226
was adopted that has more detail

3228
01:49:19,226 --> 01:49:22,229
on it. I don't think it's a

3229
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:23,230
bad idea to say it

3230
01:49:23,230 --> 01:49:24,231
gives you more clear parameters than

3231
01:49:24,231 --> 01:49:26,233
the ethics code if you want to reference

3232
01:49:26,233 --> 01:49:28,235
it but it's fine either way. Either

3233
01:49:28,235 --> 01:49:30,235
one covers

3234
01:49:30,237 --> 01:49:31,238
the rule. Short and sweet like the

3235
01:49:31,238 --> 01:49:33,238
old way or

3236
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:34,241
you can reference it.

3237
01:49:34,241 --> 01:49:35,242
>> the short

3238
01:49:35,242 --> 01:49:37,242
and

3239
01:49:37,244 --> 01:49:39,244
sweet, what do

3240
01:49:39,246 --> 01:49:40,247
you miss?

3241
01:49:40,247 --> 01:49:41,248
>> there's a specific --

3242
01:49:41,248 --> 01:49:43,248
there is

3243
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:46,850
some more things in the abuse

3244
01:49:49,256 --> 01:49:51,256
of office,

3245
01:49:51,258 --> 01:49:52,259
whatever section. The reality is whether

3246
01:49:52,259 --> 01:49:53,260
you change

3247
01:49:53,260 --> 01:49:55,262
it or not, the ethics code says they

3248
01:49:55,262 --> 01:49:56,263
are subject to it. Whether it's referenced

3249
01:49:56,263 --> 01:49:58,265
in this part or not, this applies

3250
01:49:58,265 --> 01:50:01,265
to --we are missing repeating

3251
01:50:01,268 --> 01:50:03,270
the details in the

3252
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:04,271
ethics code at the ethics code itself

3253
01:50:04,271 --> 01:50:05,205
says

3254
01:50:05,205 --> 01:50:07,207
if you are a councilmember or a member

3255
01:50:07,207 --> 01:50:08,208
of an appointed board, these are the

3256
01:50:08,208 --> 01:50:10,210
rules that apply to you so they are

3257
01:50:10,210 --> 01:50:11,211
still subject to them. We are just

3258
01:50:11,211 --> 01:50:13,213
not repeating them here in as much

3259
01:50:13,213 --> 01:50:14,214
detail.

3260
01:50:14,214 --> 01:50:16,216
>> okay. Do I have a

3261
01:50:16,216 --> 01:50:19,216
motion for the board members?

3262
01:50:20,220 --> 01:50:22,222
>> so -->> councilmembers? >> yeah,

3263
01:50:22,222 --> 01:50:24,622
I would say my

3264
01:50:25,225 --> 01:50:27,225
recommendation would be

3265
01:50:28,228 --> 01:50:30,228
to go with

3266
01:50:30,230 --> 01:50:31,231
the revised language.

3267
01:50:31,231 --> 01:50:32,232
>> that's on

3268
01:50:32,232 --> 01:50:34,232
page 2.

3269
01:50:34,234 --> 01:50:36,234
>> that's on

3270
01:50:37,237 --> 01:50:38,238
page 2.

3271
01:50:38,238 --> 01:50:40,238
>> did you hear

3272
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,240
that?

3273
01:50:43,243 --> 01:50:45,643
so what andre just

3274
01:50:46,246 --> 01:50:49,246
said was he wants to

3275
01:50:49,249 --> 01:50:52,252
go with the language that's on

3276
01:50:52,252 --> 01:50:55,252
page 2, which directs them basically

3277
01:50:55,255 --> 01:50:57,255
to the ethics

3278
01:50:59,259 --> 01:51:00,260
ordinance.

3279
01:51:00,260 --> 01:51:01,261
>> seconded. >> I'm looking

3280
01:51:01,261 --> 01:51:03,261
for a

3281
01:51:03,263 --> 01:51:04,264
second. Seconding?

3282
01:51:04,264 --> 01:51:05,265
>> would you like

3283
01:51:05,265 --> 01:51:07,265
to

3284
01:51:07,267 --> 01:51:08,268
second?

3285
01:51:08,268 --> 01:51:10,270
>> I can second it.

3286
01:51:10,270 --> 01:51:12,272
okay. Somebody got a motion and

3287
01:51:12,272 --> 01:51:13,273
seconded, any discussion? Hearing

3288
01:51:13,273 --> 01:51:15,273
on, all

3289
01:51:16,276 --> 01:51:18,276
in favor. You

3290
01:51:19,279 --> 01:51:21,279
can do

3291
01:51:22,282 --> 01:51:24,282
either hand

3292
01:51:25,285 --> 01:51:26,286
. Okay. So

3293
01:51:26,286 --> 01:51:28,288
that's a 3-0. Okay. So we've got those

3294
01:51:28,288 --> 01:51:29,289
two. What's your third one?

3295
01:51:29,289 --> 01:51:31,289
>> last

3296
01:51:31,291 --> 01:51:34,294
one just questioning over on --

3297
01:51:34,294 --> 01:51:36,294
it's page

3298
01:51:37,297 --> 01:51:39,697
16, actually. They were getting

3299
01:51:40,300 --> 01:51:42,300
closer

3300
01:51:43,303 --> 01:51:45,303
to what the

3301
01:51:46,306 --> 01:51:48,306
ocg a

3302
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:52,312
3666 5.1 dealing with the appeal up

3303
01:51:52,312 --> 01:51:55,312
to the thing. I think

3304
01:51:55,315 --> 01:51:58,315
I'd asked last month about

3305
01:52:01,321 --> 01:52:03,321
the state

3306
01:52:04,324 --> 01:52:05,259
,

3307
01:52:05,259 --> 01:52:07,261
what happens if it's only parts, like

3308
01:52:07,261 --> 01:52:08,262
one of variance versus the risk, while

3309
01:52:08,262 --> 01:52:09,263
the

3310
01:52:09,263 --> 01:52:10,264
rest of the development might be able

3311
01:52:10,264 --> 01:52:11,265
to get done outside of maybe one house

3312
01:52:11,265 --> 01:52:13,267
or something like that, for example.

3313
01:52:13,267 --> 01:52:14,268
would this stay the entire thing or

3314
01:52:14,268 --> 01:52:15,269
just the

3315
01:52:15,269 --> 01:52:16,270
one house being developed, or something

3316
01:52:16,270 --> 01:52:17,271
like that? Would that be an issue

3317
01:52:17,271 --> 01:52:18,272
or

3318
01:52:18,272 --> 01:52:19,273
is that something that's also the

3319
01:52:19,273 --> 01:52:20,274
state law mandates to do based off

3320
01:52:20,274 --> 01:52:21,275
of that

3321
01:52:21,275 --> 01:52:22,276
procedure?

3322
01:52:22,276 --> 01:52:23,277
>> if it's an appeal of

3323
01:52:23,277 --> 01:52:25,277
the decision,

3324
01:52:28,282 --> 01:52:30,282
you know,

3325
01:52:30,284 --> 01:52:31,285
if it's a zoning decision with a variance

3326
01:52:31,285 --> 01:52:32,286
tied in, that's

3327
01:52:32,286 --> 01:52:34,288
the zoning decision and that's going

3328
01:52:34,288 --> 01:52:39,880
to be an appeal under title ix, really,

3329
01:52:40,294 --> 01:52:41,295
or under the declared judgment action.

3330
01:52:41,295 --> 01:52:43,295
that's its own

3331
01:52:43,297 --> 01:52:44,298
thing. So if we're

3332
01:52:44,298 --> 01:52:46,300
talking about just appealing the variance

3333
01:52:46,300 --> 01:52:48,700
or the zoning decision,

3334
01:52:49,303 --> 01:52:52,306
it's all the same thing for a

3335
01:52:52,306 --> 01:52:54,306
variance. If there

3336
01:52:55,309 --> 01:52:57,309
is multiple variances

3337
01:52:57,311 --> 01:52:58,312
created by the bza or you guys acting

3338
01:52:58,312 --> 01:52:59,313
as far as your judicial capacity,

3339
01:52:59,313 --> 01:53:00,314
the

3340
01:53:00,314 --> 01:53:01,315
whole thing, it's not just one. You

3341
01:53:01,315 --> 01:53:04,318
know I guess you could look and

3342
01:53:04,318 --> 01:53:06,253
see if the petition

3343
01:53:06,253 --> 01:53:07,254
for review, like if the motion is

3344
01:53:07,254 --> 01:53:09,256
broken down and they're only

3345
01:53:09,256 --> 01:53:12,856
challenging one portion of it, arguably

3346
01:53:13,260 --> 01:53:15,262
you could try to take a position

3347
01:53:15,262 --> 01:53:16,263
that only everything else can continue

3348
01:53:16,263 --> 01:53:18,263
but

3349
01:53:19,266 --> 01:53:20,267
my default position would be that

3350
01:53:20,267 --> 01:53:22,267
the whole

3351
01:53:22,269 --> 01:53:24,269
thing would stay.

3352
01:53:24,271 --> 01:53:25,272
I literally as close as I could, cut

3353
01:53:25,272 --> 01:53:27,672
and pasted the language

3354
01:53:28,275 --> 01:53:29,276
from that statute into something for

3355
01:53:29,276 --> 01:53:30,277
city council

3356
01:53:30,277 --> 01:53:31,278
and those things because that's what's

3357
01:53:31,278 --> 01:53:33,278
in

3358
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:34,281
the deal now so even if we didn't

3359
01:53:34,281 --> 01:53:36,681
have it in there

3360
01:53:37,284 --> 01:53:38,285
it's going to apply anyways.

3361
01:53:38,285 --> 01:53:39,286
>> if

3362
01:53:39,286 --> 01:53:40,287
it's

3363
01:53:40,287 --> 01:53:41,288
in state law that overrides us, that's

3364
01:53:41,288 --> 01:53:42,289
the end of my line of questioning

3365
01:53:42,289 --> 01:53:46,293
because we don't have --we can't override

3366
01:53:46,293 --> 01:53:47,294
state law. If that's what state law

3367
01:53:47,294 --> 01:53:49,294
says, is

3368
01:53:49,296 --> 01:53:51,296
that

3369
01:53:51,298 --> 01:53:52,299
correct?

3370
01:53:52,299 --> 01:53:53,300
>> does anyone else have

3371
01:53:53,300 --> 01:53:55,302
any questions, concerns? Okay. Do

3372
01:53:55,302 --> 01:53:57,302
we have a

3373
01:53:58,305 --> 01:54:00,305
motion

3374
01:54:01,308 --> 01:54:03,308
regarding this

3375
01:54:10,250 --> 01:54:12,252
, with the changes we've already

3376
01:54:12,252 --> 01:54:13,253
voted on?

3377
01:54:13,253 --> 01:54:14,254
>> I would like to make

3378
01:54:14,254 --> 01:54:15,255
a motion.

3379
01:54:15,255 --> 01:54:16,256
>> if you could

3380
01:54:16,256 --> 01:54:17,257
state the motion that would be great.

3381
01:54:17,257 --> 01:54:18,258
>> yes ma'am. The motion would be

3382
01:54:18,258 --> 01:54:19,259
to

3383
01:54:19,259 --> 01:54:20,260
authorize the advertisement in the

3384
01:54:20,260 --> 01:54:21,261
conducting of the necessary public

3385
01:54:21,261 --> 01:54:22,262
hearings to adopt the

3386
01:54:22,262 --> 01:54:23,263
amendments to the zoning ordinances

3387
01:54:23,263 --> 01:54:24,264
as set forth in ledger star 20240993.

3388
01:54:24,264 --> 01:54:25,265
>> that's

3389
01:54:25,265 --> 01:54:28,265
the motion. Is there a

3390
01:54:28,268 --> 01:54:29,269
second?

3391
01:54:29,269 --> 01:54:31,269
>> second.

3392
01:54:32,272 --> 01:54:33,273
okay.

3393
01:54:33,273 --> 01:54:35,673
>> got the second. Any

3394
01:54:36,276 --> 01:54:38,278
discussion, concerns? And again, this

3395
01:54:38,278 --> 01:54:39,279
is advertising where we are at

3396
01:54:39,279 --> 01:54:41,281
right now. Hearing no questions or

3397
01:54:41,281 --> 01:54:43,281
concern, all

3398
01:54:44,284 --> 01:54:45,285
in favor?

3399
01:54:45,285 --> 01:54:47,287
it's 3-0. Does that go on consent

3400
01:54:47,287 --> 01:54:49,287
or

3401
01:54:50,290 --> 01:54:51,291
is it --

3402
01:54:51,291 --> 01:54:52,292
>> it's

3403
01:54:52,292 --> 01:54:53,293
advertising.

3404
01:54:53,293 --> 01:54:54,294
>> consent to advertise.

3405
01:54:54,294 --> 01:54:55,295
all

3406
01:54:55,295 --> 01:54:58,295
right. Consent, please. All right.

3407
01:54:59,299 --> 01:55:02,899
that wasn't too painful. So the

3408
01:55:05,239 --> 01:55:06,240
next item --this

3409
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,242
is going to be [ inaudible ] --the

3410
01:55:08,242 --> 01:55:09,243
next item is the campus realty

3411
01:55:09,243 --> 01:55:10,244
advisors. Hello miss little.

3412
01:55:10,244 --> 01:55:11,245
>> hello,

3413
01:55:11,245 --> 01:55:12,246
good evening. I'm here to present

3414
01:55:12,246 --> 01:55:14,246
to you

3415
01:55:14,248 --> 01:55:16,648
the request for detailed

3416
01:55:17,251 --> 01:55:19,251
plan for 950 hudson

3417
01:55:20,254 --> 01:55:21,255
road. This is

3418
01:55:21,255 --> 01:55:23,257
a nine acre apartment complex that

3419
01:55:23,257 --> 01:55:25,257
was

3420
01:55:26,260 --> 01:55:28,260
zoned in

3421
01:55:29,263 --> 01:55:31,263
1983 for 1296

3422
01:55:32,266 --> 01:55:34,266
students over a 15

3423
01:55:35,269 --> 01:55:38,269
acre tract. Campus realty advisors

3424
01:55:38,272 --> 01:55:40,272
is proposing to

3425
01:55:41,275 --> 01:55:43,675
demolish the nine acres

3426
01:55:44,278 --> 01:55:46,278
and

3427
01:55:47,281 --> 01:55:49,283
build three five story

3428
01:55:49,283 --> 01:55:50,284
apartment buildings. So this will

3429
01:55:50,284 --> 01:55:52,284
amount to a

3430
01:55:53,287 --> 01:55:55,287
total of

3431
01:55:56,290 --> 01:55:58,290
240

3432
01:55:59,293 --> 01:56:01,293
units with

3433
01:56:02,296 --> 01:56:04,296
665 beds.

3434
01:56:08,235 --> 01:56:09,236
two of the main issues that

3435
01:56:09,236 --> 01:56:11,238
are still outstanding, it's gone through

3436
01:56:11,238 --> 01:56:13,238
staff

3437
01:56:14,241 --> 01:56:16,641
review twice. The first

3438
01:56:17,244 --> 01:56:19,244
is this many

3439
01:56:20,247 --> 01:56:23,247
units would require two access

3440
01:56:23,250 --> 01:56:25,250
points and

3441
01:56:26,253 --> 01:56:29,256
right now there is only one

3442
01:56:29,256 --> 01:56:31,656
vehicular access proposed off

3443
01:56:35,262 --> 01:56:37,262
hudson. They --

3444
01:56:37,264 --> 01:56:38,265
they're showing there is a pedestrian

3445
01:56:38,265 --> 01:56:40,265
path that runs

3446
01:56:41,268 --> 01:56:43,668
from the apartments across

3447
01:56:44,271 --> 01:56:46,671
to sbs you, or

3448
01:56:47,274 --> 01:56:50,274
sorry, asu. They're amenable to

3449
01:56:50,277 --> 01:56:53,280
using that as a sort of

3450
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,280
a secondary

3451
01:56:55,282 --> 01:56:56,283
emergency access. They are working

3452
01:56:56,283 --> 01:56:58,283
on getting

3453
01:56:59,286 --> 01:57:01,286
easements from ksu

3454
01:57:02,289 --> 01:57:04,689
but being that it

3455
01:57:05,225 --> 01:57:08,225
would still only result in

3456
01:57:09,229 --> 01:57:11,231
one access point for daily users,

3457
01:57:11,231 --> 01:57:12,232
that's something that

3458
01:57:12,232 --> 01:57:14,234
would require a variance. The second

3459
01:57:14,234 --> 01:57:16,234
issue

3460
01:57:16,236 --> 01:57:17,237
--and when we've gotten some updated

3461
01:57:17,237 --> 01:57:19,637
information from the applicant

3462
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,240
today on the

3463
01:57:22,242 --> 01:57:23,243
unit composition, that they will be

3464
01:57:23,243 --> 01:57:25,243
based

3465
01:57:26,246 --> 01:57:27,247
on those

3466
01:57:27,247 --> 01:57:29,249
parking requirements and the zoning

3467
01:57:29,249 --> 01:57:32,249
ordinance. They'll be short 61 parking

3468
01:57:32,252 --> 01:57:35,252
spaces so that would also

3469
01:57:35,255 --> 01:57:37,255
require

3470
01:57:38,258 --> 01:57:40,258
a variance.

3471
01:57:43,263 --> 01:57:44,264
considering that it's primarily supposed

3472
01:57:44,264 --> 01:57:46,264
to

3473
01:57:49,269 --> 01:57:50,270
be students, there is a pedestrian

3474
01:57:50,270 --> 01:57:53,273
path. There is also a bus stop

3475
01:57:53,273 --> 01:57:56,273
right on the loop. But

3476
01:57:56,276 --> 01:57:59,279
you have to walk up hudson and

3477
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:01,679
over. Those are some

3478
01:58:02,282 --> 01:58:04,682
considerations for the reduced

3479
01:58:05,219 --> 01:58:07,219
parking requirements. There

3480
01:58:08,222 --> 01:58:10,222
are

3481
01:58:10,224 --> 01:58:11,225
also some stipulations that were included

3482
01:58:11,225 --> 01:58:13,225
in the 1983

3483
01:58:14,228 --> 01:58:16,628
zoning regarding it only

3484
01:58:17,231 --> 01:58:19,231
being used

3485
01:58:19,233 --> 01:58:23,237
by students that would need to be

3486
01:58:23,237 --> 01:58:25,237
revised and

3487
01:58:25,239 --> 01:58:26,240
kevin moore was going to be here.

3488
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:28,240
he could probably

3489
01:58:29,243 --> 01:58:30,244
speak to the legality of those

3490
01:58:30,244 --> 01:58:33,244
restrictions and the fair housing

3491
01:58:35,249 --> 01:58:38,252
act but do you have randy

3492
01:58:38,252 --> 01:58:40,652
herring here? From campus

3493
01:58:41,255 --> 01:58:44,258
realty advisors? If you have any

3494
01:58:44,258 --> 01:58:45,259
questions.

3495
01:58:45,259 --> 01:58:47,259
>> by approving this,

3496
01:58:47,261 --> 01:58:49,261
would this

3497
01:58:49,263 --> 01:58:50,264
make this a [ inaudible ] plan?

3498
01:58:50,264 --> 01:58:52,264
>>

3499
01:58:53,267 --> 01:58:54,268
yes.

3500
01:58:54,268 --> 01:58:56,268
>> [ inaudible ]? >> I'm

3501
01:58:58,272 --> 01:58:59,273
sorry.

3502
01:58:59,273 --> 01:59:00,274
>> what was referred to in

3503
01:59:00,274 --> 01:59:02,274
1983 was 1200 [ inaudible ]

3504
01:59:02,276 --> 01:59:04,676
so this in essence

3505
01:59:05,212 --> 01:59:07,612
is basically a [ inaudible

3506
01:59:08,215 --> 01:59:10,215
] for

3507
01:59:11,218 --> 01:59:13,218
the 1200.

3508
01:59:14,221 --> 01:59:15,222
they said [ inaudible ] is long enough

3509
01:59:15,222 --> 01:59:17,222
to

3510
01:59:17,224 --> 01:59:19,224
use

3511
01:59:19,226 --> 01:59:24,626
it but I'd like to make it clear that

3512
01:59:26,233 --> 01:59:28,233
the 1200 [ inaudible

3513
01:59:29,236 --> 01:59:30,237
] we change is the 665.

3514
01:59:30,237 --> 01:59:32,237
>>

3515
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:33,240
yes, okay. [ inaudible ], is that

3516
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:34,241
all right?

3517
01:59:34,241 --> 01:59:36,243
>> this would supersede the prior

3518
01:59:36,243 --> 01:59:38,243
zoning,

3519
01:59:39,246 --> 01:59:40,247
prior approval.

3520
01:59:40,247 --> 01:59:42,247
>> a formal

3521
01:59:42,249 --> 01:59:44,249
action to

3522
01:59:44,251 --> 01:59:45,252
override it.

3523
01:59:45,252 --> 01:59:46,253
>> you probably shouldn't

3524
01:59:46,253 --> 01:59:47,254
included in the

3525
01:59:47,254 --> 01:59:48,255
motion, if you do approve it, that

3526
01:59:48,255 --> 01:59:49,256
it supersedes

3527
01:59:49,256 --> 01:59:51,258
all prior [ inaudible ], the units

3528
01:59:51,258 --> 01:59:53,258
and the [

3529
01:59:54,261 --> 01:59:55,262
inaudible ].

3530
01:59:55,262 --> 01:59:57,262
>> they are

3531
01:59:57,264 --> 02:00:00,264
cutting in half the number

3532
02:00:00,267 --> 02:00:01,268
of beds.

3533
02:00:01,268 --> 02:00:02,269
>> in 1983 they

3534
02:00:02,269 --> 02:00:03,270
were approved for that many. They

3535
02:00:03,270 --> 02:00:05,270
never

3536
02:00:06,206 --> 02:00:08,206
built

3537
02:00:09,209 --> 02:00:12,212
that many. I think they only

3538
02:00:12,212 --> 02:00:14,612
built 120 of the 468 that

3539
02:00:15,215 --> 02:00:17,215
were approved

3540
02:00:17,217 --> 02:00:18,218
so only a small portion of the units

3541
02:00:18,218 --> 02:00:20,218
were

3542
02:00:21,221 --> 02:00:24,221
ever built. What's out there

3543
02:00:24,224 --> 02:00:26,224
now is 120

3544
02:00:27,227 --> 02:00:29,227
units and

3545
02:00:30,230 --> 02:00:32,630
205 beds so this would

3546
02:00:33,233 --> 02:00:34,234
still be an increase.

3547
02:00:34,234 --> 02:00:36,234
>> this is triple

3548
02:00:36,236 --> 02:00:37,237
the number of beds.

3549
02:00:37,237 --> 02:00:39,237
>> yes,

3550
02:00:41,241 --> 02:00:42,242
but it's still what was approved originally

3551
02:00:42,242 --> 02:00:44,242
back

3552
02:00:45,245 --> 02:00:46,246
in

3553
02:00:46,246 --> 02:00:47,247
1983.

3554
02:00:47,247 --> 02:00:48,248
>> and in 1983, what was the

3555
02:00:48,248 --> 02:00:51,251
density? I see that it would be

3556
02:00:51,251 --> 02:00:53,251
right now like 33.

3557
02:00:54,254 --> 02:00:56,254
>> so

3558
02:01:00,260 --> 02:01:01,261
in 1983

3559
02:01:01,261 --> 02:01:03,263
the zoning included the adjacent site,

3560
02:01:03,263 --> 02:01:06,266
so it was a total of

3561
02:01:06,266 --> 02:01:08,266
15 acres. With the 468

3562
02:01:09,269 --> 02:01:11,269
units over

3563
02:01:11,271 --> 02:01:12,272
in 15 acres, the density would've

3564
02:01:12,272 --> 02:01:14,272
been about 31 units

3565
02:01:14,274 --> 02:01:15,275
per acre.

3566
02:01:15,275 --> 02:01:16,276
>> this would not only increase

3567
02:01:16,276 --> 02:01:17,277
the

3568
02:01:17,277 --> 02:01:18,278
triple the beds, but increase the

3569
02:01:18,278 --> 02:01:20,278
density.

3570
02:01:21,281 --> 02:01:23,281
>> yes. >> yes sir.

3571
02:01:24,284 --> 02:01:26,284
>> how do

3572
02:01:27,287 --> 02:01:28,288
you overcome

3573
02:01:28,288 --> 02:01:30,290
the 61, not enough parking spaces?

3574
02:01:30,290 --> 02:01:32,292
is this because a lot of

3575
02:01:32,292 --> 02:01:33,293
these students don't have cars? Is

3576
02:01:33,293 --> 02:01:35,293
this something

3577
02:01:38,298 --> 02:01:39,299
that's doable?

3578
02:01:39,299 --> 02:01:40,300
>> today they also

3579
02:01:40,300 --> 02:01:42,300
let us

3580
02:01:45,305 --> 02:01:47,305
know that

3581
02:01:47,307 --> 02:01:48,308
they are trying to get an agreement

3582
02:01:48,308 --> 02:01:49,309
from ks you that

3583
02:01:49,309 --> 02:01:51,311
it would allow some overflow on the

3584
02:01:51,311 --> 02:01:54,314
campus. I think it's still in the

3585
02:01:54,314 --> 02:01:56,714
works. We haven't gotten

3586
02:01:57,317 --> 02:01:59,717
anything formal but if

3587
02:02:03,323 --> 02:02:06,260
you go to probably like the

3588
02:02:06,260 --> 02:02:08,260
fifth page, yeah,

3589
02:02:09,263 --> 02:02:11,263
right there.

3590
02:02:12,266 --> 02:02:14,266
there's a

3591
02:02:15,269 --> 02:02:17,269
path down on

3592
02:02:18,272 --> 02:02:20,274
the south. I think it was built

3593
02:02:20,274 --> 02:02:21,275
almost up to road standards but it's

3594
02:02:21,275 --> 02:02:23,275
used as a

3595
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:27,281
pedestrian linkage from an apartment

3596
02:02:27,281 --> 02:02:29,281
complex, over to

3597
02:02:33,287 --> 02:02:35,287
ksu.

3598
02:02:36,290 --> 02:02:38,290
>> [ inaudible

3599
02:02:39,293 --> 02:02:41,293
]?

3600
02:02:42,296 --> 02:02:44,296
>> [ inaudible ], if you

3601
02:02:45,299 --> 02:02:46,300
don't mind. We've got another question.

3602
02:02:46,300 --> 02:02:48,300
talk

3603
02:02:48,302 --> 02:02:49,303
about 240 apartments but you are saying

3604
02:02:49,303 --> 02:02:51,303
there's

3605
02:02:51,305 --> 02:02:53,305
more beds

3606
02:02:54,308 --> 02:02:55,309
than 1200?

3607
02:02:55,309 --> 02:02:56,310
>> no. >> what am

3608
02:02:56,310 --> 02:02:57,311
I missing mathematically? 240 is below

3609
02:02:57,311 --> 02:02:59,311
1200. Those would

3610
02:03:00,314 --> 02:03:01,315
be one to two units.

3611
02:03:01,315 --> 02:03:02,316
>>

3612
02:03:02,316 --> 02:03:03,317
they didn't build to what they were

3613
02:03:03,317 --> 02:03:05,317
given permission

3614
02:03:06,253 --> 02:03:07,254
to build and it would've also included

3615
02:03:07,254 --> 02:03:08,255
the part

3616
02:03:08,255 --> 02:03:09,256
that was across the street, which

3617
02:03:09,256 --> 02:03:11,656
would go from 10 acres

3618
02:03:12,259 --> 02:03:13,260
to 50.

3619
02:03:13,260 --> 02:03:15,260
>> how

3620
02:03:15,262 --> 02:03:17,262
many on already

3621
02:03:18,265 --> 02:03:20,265
built,

3622
02:03:21,268 --> 02:03:22,269
this 240?

3623
02:03:22,269 --> 02:03:24,269
>> how

3624
02:03:24,271 --> 02:03:26,271
many of the 240?

3625
02:03:27,274 --> 02:03:29,274
>> talking about the

3626
02:03:30,277 --> 02:03:32,277
original zoning,

3627
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:35,282
this is not just

3628
02:03:35,282 --> 02:03:36,283
a little amendment. This ought to

3629
02:03:36,283 --> 02:03:39,283
go through the planning commission.

3630
02:03:39,286 --> 02:03:41,286
>>

3631
02:03:42,289 --> 02:03:44,289
I agree.

3632
02:03:47,294 --> 02:03:48,295
what do we do about that, doug? Do

3633
02:03:48,295 --> 02:03:49,296
we have that ability?

3634
02:03:49,296 --> 02:03:50,297
>> you absolutely

3635
02:03:50,297 --> 02:03:51,298
do.

3636
02:03:51,298 --> 02:03:52,299
adopt a motion to refer this to the

3637
02:03:52,299 --> 02:03:53,300
planning commission and then back

3638
02:03:53,300 --> 02:03:54,301
to

3639
02:03:54,301 --> 02:03:55,302
the city itself. That's what you want

3640
02:03:55,302 --> 02:03:56,303
to do.

3641
02:03:56,303 --> 02:03:57,304
>> do you have any

3642
02:03:57,304 --> 02:03:58,305
other questions from anyone? I make

3643
02:03:58,305 --> 02:04:00,305
a

3644
02:04:00,307 --> 02:04:02,707
motion that this goes

3645
02:04:03,310 --> 02:04:06,246
to the planning committee, the

3646
02:04:06,246 --> 02:04:08,246
planning commission, not

3647
02:04:09,249 --> 02:04:10,250
directly appear.

3648
02:04:10,250 --> 02:04:12,250
>> second.

3649
02:04:12,252 --> 02:04:14,252
>> any

3650
02:04:15,255 --> 02:04:17,255
comments, concerns? All

3651
02:04:21,261 --> 02:04:23,261
in favor?

3652
02:04:24,264 --> 02:04:25,265
you're going to the

3653
02:04:25,265 --> 02:04:27,267
planning commission. Consent on the

3654
02:04:27,267 --> 02:04:29,267
agenda consent?

3655
02:04:30,270 --> 02:04:32,270
consent, please.

3656
02:04:36,276 --> 02:04:38,676
thank you. The next

3657
02:04:39,279 --> 02:04:41,279
item of business

3658
02:04:41,281 --> 02:04:42,282
we have is polling location change.

3659
02:04:42,282 --> 02:04:44,682
we are looking at

3660
02:04:45,285 --> 02:04:47,285
three a, 4 b

3661
02:04:51,291 --> 02:04:53,291
and 6a.

3662
02:04:54,294 --> 02:04:57,294
>> these changes were made by

3663
02:04:57,297 --> 02:04:58,298
the county. Probably should have come

3664
02:04:58,298 --> 02:04:59,299
here first to

3665
02:04:59,299 --> 02:05:00,300
ask before that was done but this

3666
02:05:00,300 --> 02:05:02,300
is

3667
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:08,240
a cleanup.

3668
02:05:08,242 --> 02:05:09,243
>> can I ask a question? >> please.

3669
02:05:09,243 --> 02:05:11,243
>> we've

3670
02:05:12,246 --> 02:05:14,248
already talked to the

3671
02:05:14,248 --> 02:05:15,249
board of elections, who say get it

3672
02:05:15,249 --> 02:05:18,252
to us before making a change for

3673
02:05:18,252 --> 02:05:20,652
future work changes. Thank

3674
02:05:24,258 --> 02:05:25,259
you.

3675
02:05:25,259 --> 02:05:26,260
>>

3676
02:05:26,260 --> 02:05:27,261
so are we just ratifying? Because

3677
02:05:27,261 --> 02:05:28,262
we are not really approving.

3678
02:05:28,262 --> 02:05:29,263
>> basically

3679
02:05:29,263 --> 02:05:30,264
you

3680
02:05:30,264 --> 02:05:31,265
do have to approve for your elections

3681
02:05:31,265 --> 02:05:34,265
so even though they made

3682
02:05:36,270 --> 02:05:38,272
the move, it's really not valid unless

3683
02:05:38,272 --> 02:05:39,273
you approve.

3684
02:05:39,273 --> 02:05:40,274
>> okay. Sabean devils

3685
02:05:40,274 --> 02:05:41,275
advocate, which I love, what if we

3686
02:05:41,275 --> 02:05:42,276
say no?

3687
02:05:42,276 --> 02:05:43,277
>> that would be a problem. >> hold

3688
02:05:43,277 --> 02:05:45,277
your

3689
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:47,281
own election.

3690
02:05:47,281 --> 02:05:48,282
>> you couldn't do

3691
02:05:48,282 --> 02:05:49,283
that.

3692
02:05:49,283 --> 02:05:50,284
>> we did that last time more

3693
02:05:50,284 --> 02:05:52,284
than

3694
02:05:52,286 --> 02:05:54,686
one moved. They worked

3695
02:05:55,289 --> 02:05:57,289
with us.

3696
02:05:58,292 --> 02:05:59,293
>> you were

3697
02:05:59,293 --> 02:06:00,294
part of this?

3698
02:06:00,294 --> 02:06:01,295
>> I looked at a couple

3699
02:06:01,295 --> 02:06:02,296
of these. I saw it on

3700
02:06:02,296 --> 02:06:04,298
the agenda, I said, oh. Some of these

3701
02:06:04,298 --> 02:06:06,298
were --they

3702
02:06:07,234 --> 02:06:08,235
are not

3703
02:06:08,235 --> 02:06:10,237
--these places told the board of elections,

3704
02:06:10,237 --> 02:06:13,240
we are not going to hold elections

3705
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:14,241
here anymore. So

3706
02:06:14,241 --> 02:06:16,243
these may be polling places that serve

3707
02:06:16,243 --> 02:06:17,244
as polling places in non-city elections,

3708
02:06:17,244 --> 02:06:19,246
so they come to the board of elections

3709
02:06:19,246 --> 02:06:20,247
and said, we are not going to

3710
02:06:20,247 --> 02:06:22,249
hold elections anymore and so I will

3711
02:06:22,249 --> 02:06:25,252
make a special note. There has been

3712
02:06:25,252 --> 02:06:27,252
a

3713
02:06:27,254 --> 02:06:28,255
sort of --not a big but at least a

3714
02:06:28,255 --> 02:06:30,255
significant turnover in

3715
02:06:30,257 --> 02:06:31,258
the department of site location and

3716
02:06:31,258 --> 02:06:32,259
site

3717
02:06:32,259 --> 02:06:34,261
planning, and all that, so this is

3718
02:06:34,261 --> 02:06:37,261
probably one of those --one

3719
02:06:37,264 --> 02:06:39,266
of the things that led to

3720
02:06:39,266 --> 02:06:40,267
that change, this is not getting ahead

3721
02:06:40,267 --> 02:06:41,268
of these changes like that. I'm

3722
02:06:41,268 --> 02:06:43,270
also sort of surprised the board is

3723
02:06:43,270 --> 02:06:45,270
going

3724
02:06:49,276 --> 02:06:51,276
to be

3725
02:06:51,278 --> 02:06:52,279
trying to get out of most of the schools

3726
02:06:52,279 --> 02:06:53,280
over the

3727
02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:54,281
next few years because the parents

3728
02:06:54,281 --> 02:06:55,282
want them out, which is unfortunate

3729
02:06:55,282 --> 02:06:56,283
because it really

3730
02:06:56,283 --> 02:06:58,285
limits the places. Right now the high

3731
02:06:58,285 --> 02:06:59,286
school is still on there because cobb

3732
02:06:59,286 --> 02:07:00,287
is

3733
02:07:00,287 --> 02:07:01,288
not object but these really should've

3734
02:07:01,288 --> 02:07:03,288
come here first.

3735
02:07:07,227 --> 02:07:09,227
but honestly

3736
02:07:10,230 --> 02:07:11,231
these were changed, I

3737
02:07:11,231 --> 02:07:13,233
think most of these that I looked

3738
02:07:13,233 --> 02:07:14,234
at had already changed for prior elections were

3739
02:07:14,234 --> 02:07:15,235
these

3740
02:07:15,235 --> 02:07:16,236
were just polling places that either don't

3741
02:07:16,236 --> 02:07:17,237
want to hold it or have had

3742
02:07:17,237 --> 02:07:19,239
to move for other reasons. Now is

3743
02:07:19,239 --> 02:07:20,240
just kind of applying to the context

3744
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:21,241
of

3745
02:07:21,241 --> 02:07:22,242
municipal election so that's why your

3746
02:07:22,242 --> 02:07:23,243
bill is [ inaudible ].

3747
02:07:23,243 --> 02:07:24,244
>> now are

3748
02:07:24,244 --> 02:07:25,245
some

3749
02:07:25,245 --> 02:07:26,246
of these moving outside of their ward?

3750
02:07:26,246 --> 02:07:27,247
I mean ward 3 letter a is

3751
02:07:27,247 --> 02:07:28,248
coming over to sweitzer.

3752
02:07:28,248 --> 02:07:29,249
>> do you

3753
02:07:29,249 --> 02:07:31,249
know

3754
02:07:32,252 --> 02:07:34,254
the reason for pleasant grove? Did

3755
02:07:34,254 --> 02:07:37,254
they not want to do

3756
02:07:40,260 --> 02:07:42,260
it anymore.

3757
02:07:42,262 --> 02:07:43,263
>> I hear these every month so I did

3758
02:07:43,263 --> 02:07:44,264
not --if I had

3759
02:07:44,264 --> 02:07:46,266
seen somebody I would've gone and

3760
02:07:46,266 --> 02:07:47,267
pulled each one and said why did they

3761
02:07:47,267 --> 02:07:48,268
end

3762
02:07:48,268 --> 02:07:49,269
up changing but I'm in meetings in

3763
02:07:49,269 --> 02:07:50,270
here there is two or three

3764
02:07:50,270 --> 02:07:52,272
of these in every meeting.'s over

3765
02:07:52,272 --> 02:07:53,273
the last two or three election cycles,

3766
02:07:53,273 --> 02:07:54,274
since

3767
02:07:54,274 --> 02:07:55,275
our last noticeable election, days

3768
02:07:55,275 --> 02:07:57,277
have changed so I have to

3769
02:07:57,277 --> 02:07:58,278
go back and I'm happy to do that if

3770
02:07:58,278 --> 02:08:00,278
you

3771
02:08:03,283 --> 02:08:04,284
want email from between now and the

3772
02:08:04,284 --> 02:08:05,219
council meeting.

3773
02:08:05,219 --> 02:08:07,219
>>

3774
02:08:07,221 --> 02:08:09,221
I would

3775
02:08:09,223 --> 02:08:10,224
think ward 3 a, I think it should

3776
02:08:10,224 --> 02:08:12,224
be at marietta

3777
02:08:13,227 --> 02:08:14,228
miller school middle

3778
02:08:14,228 --> 02:08:16,230
school instead of all the way --everybody

3779
02:08:16,230 --> 02:08:18,230
else is pretty

3780
02:08:19,233 --> 02:08:21,233
close

3781
02:08:22,236 --> 02:08:24,236
by but

3782
02:08:24,238 --> 02:08:25,239
if we don't have any say so in it

3783
02:08:25,239 --> 02:08:26,240
at this point.

3784
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:28,242
>> you certainly, that requires talking

3785
02:08:28,242 --> 02:08:29,243
to the board of elections but also

3786
02:08:29,243 --> 02:08:31,243
our

3787
02:08:31,245 --> 02:08:33,245
site

3788
02:08:34,248 --> 02:08:35,249
survey team. Are they available and

3789
02:08:35,249 --> 02:08:37,249
can they

3790
02:08:37,251 --> 02:08:39,251
make

3791
02:08:40,254 --> 02:08:42,254
it work?

3792
02:08:43,257 --> 02:08:44,258
have a look at

3793
02:08:44,258 --> 02:08:45,259
next year's calendar. They are doing

3794
02:08:45,259 --> 02:08:46,260
the general cycles, the municipal

3795
02:08:46,260 --> 02:08:47,261
cycle this

3796
02:08:47,261 --> 02:08:49,263
year but if that's something you want

3797
02:08:49,263 --> 02:08:51,263
to

3798
02:08:52,266 --> 02:08:53,267
run by. Very accommodating

3799
02:08:53,267 --> 02:08:55,269
for all the cities and how they want

3800
02:08:55,269 --> 02:08:57,269
to work

3801
02:08:58,272 --> 02:09:01,275
where they want to have their

3802
02:09:01,275 --> 02:09:02,276
polling places.

3803
02:09:02,276 --> 02:09:04,278
>> or how do you

3804
02:09:04,278 --> 02:09:06,278
feel about [

3805
02:09:07,214 --> 02:09:09,214
inaudible

3806
02:09:10,217 --> 02:09:11,218
]?

3807
02:09:11,218 --> 02:09:13,218
>> is that center

3808
02:09:13,220 --> 02:09:15,220
still open?

3809
02:09:16,223 --> 02:09:18,223
>> [ inaudible ].

3810
02:09:19,226 --> 02:09:21,226
>>

3811
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:23,230
okay.

3812
02:09:23,230 --> 02:09:25,230
>> all right,

3813
02:09:28,235 --> 02:09:30,235
and 6a?

3814
02:09:31,238 --> 02:09:33,240
I hope it's that close.

3815
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:34,241
>> it's by the va. >> okay. >> it's

3816
02:09:34,241 --> 02:09:36,641
right up the hill

3817
02:09:37,244 --> 02:09:38,245
on 41.

3818
02:09:38,245 --> 02:09:40,245
>> 6a, your thoughts?

3819
02:09:40,247 --> 02:09:43,250
>> that one, I can say that's

3820
02:09:43,250 --> 02:09:45,250
where my

3821
02:09:45,252 --> 02:09:46,253
mom votes [ inaudible ] so that's

3822
02:09:46,253 --> 02:09:49,256
been there for at least two

3823
02:09:49,256 --> 02:09:51,256
cycles

3824
02:09:52,259 --> 02:09:53,260
now so getting to just wherever it

3825
02:09:53,260 --> 02:09:55,262
was before has already changed in

3826
02:09:55,262 --> 02:09:57,262
the last

3827
02:09:57,264 --> 02:09:58,265
two cycles. We are trying to match

3828
02:09:58,265 --> 02:10:01,268
up the closest we could get. The problem

3829
02:10:01,268 --> 02:10:04,271
is the precincts for countywide elections

3830
02:10:04,271 --> 02:10:07,207
don't always directly map onto

3831
02:10:07,207 --> 02:10:09,209
the ward so they did what they

3832
02:10:09,209 --> 02:10:10,210
thought was the best but we've got

3833
02:10:10,210 --> 02:10:12,210
plenty of

3834
02:10:13,213 --> 02:10:14,214
time between now and november to change

3835
02:10:14,214 --> 02:10:15,215
it.

3836
02:10:15,215 --> 02:10:16,216
but the earlier, the better, so we

3837
02:10:16,216 --> 02:10:18,216
can get notices

3838
02:10:22,222 --> 02:10:23,223
out.

3839
02:10:23,223 --> 02:10:24,224
>> you are talking about

3840
02:10:24,224 --> 02:10:25,225
6a?

3841
02:10:25,225 --> 02:10:26,226
>> any of them that you look at

3842
02:10:26,226 --> 02:10:27,227
this list and

3843
02:10:27,227 --> 02:10:28,228
you go, I was specifically talking

3844
02:10:28,228 --> 02:10:29,229
about liberty church.

3845
02:10:29,229 --> 02:10:31,229
>>

3846
02:10:31,231 --> 02:10:32,232
your mom is in 4 b.

3847
02:10:32,232 --> 02:10:34,232
>> now she's in

3848
02:10:34,234 --> 02:10:35,235
the county.

3849
02:10:35,235 --> 02:10:36,236
>> I would like for you

3850
02:10:36,236 --> 02:10:37,237
to check

3851
02:10:37,237 --> 02:10:39,237
in to

3852
02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:42,240
ward 3.

3853
02:10:43,243 --> 02:10:45,243
that's quite

3854
02:10:45,245 --> 02:10:46,246
a difference.

3855
02:10:46,246 --> 02:10:47,247
>> what they've got

3856
02:10:47,247 --> 02:10:49,247
to

3857
02:10:52,252 --> 02:10:54,254
think about is if they want to make

3858
02:10:54,254 --> 02:10:55,255
it just for the municipal's, what

3859
02:10:55,255 --> 02:10:56,256
they've probably done is put it in

3860
02:10:56,256 --> 02:10:58,256
a

3861
02:10:59,259 --> 02:11:00,260
place for the larger general

3862
02:11:00,260 --> 02:11:01,261
cycles that it's big enough but these

3863
02:11:01,261 --> 02:11:02,262
municipal's you are talking about

3864
02:11:02,262 --> 02:11:03,263
are smaller turnouts

3865
02:11:03,263 --> 02:11:05,265
and they maybe need to look at doing

3866
02:11:05,265 --> 02:11:07,265
something [ inaudible ] but

3867
02:11:10,270 --> 02:11:11,271
they probably need to move forward.

3868
02:11:11,271 --> 02:11:12,272
the

3869
02:11:12,272 --> 02:11:14,274
other thing, there is an a.d.a. Compliance

3870
02:11:14,274 --> 02:11:15,275
that we had to enter into to move

3871
02:11:15,275 --> 02:11:17,277
some of these locations to places

3872
02:11:17,277 --> 02:11:18,278
that are

3873
02:11:18,278 --> 02:11:19,279
a.d.a. Compliant. A lot of these churches

3874
02:11:19,279 --> 02:11:21,281
just don't have to comply on their

3875
02:11:21,281 --> 02:11:23,283
own and we can't force them as the

3876
02:11:23,283 --> 02:11:25,683
board of elections to

3877
02:11:27,287 --> 02:11:29,289
comply so there are some places that

3878
02:11:29,289 --> 02:11:31,291
are just too out of compliance

3879
02:11:31,291 --> 02:11:32,292
that we have to make changes. Schools

3880
02:11:32,292 --> 02:11:33,293
and public

3881
02:11:33,293 --> 02:11:34,294
buildings generally are in pretty

3882
02:11:34,294 --> 02:11:35,295
good shape but some of the churches

3883
02:11:35,295 --> 02:11:37,295
just

3884
02:11:38,298 --> 02:11:39,299
don't have --

3885
02:11:39,299 --> 02:11:41,301
they have elevation problems in terms

3886
02:11:41,301 --> 02:11:43,301
of where the

3887
02:11:44,304 --> 02:11:45,305
parking is and the

3888
02:11:45,305 --> 02:11:46,306
grades and some other things like

3889
02:11:46,306 --> 02:11:47,307
that. I don't know if that's specifically

3890
02:11:47,307 --> 02:11:48,308
for this

3891
02:11:48,308 --> 02:11:50,310
one but if you want me to ask them

3892
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:52,710
about ward 3 I can

3893
02:11:53,313 --> 02:11:54,314
do that for sure.

3894
02:11:54,314 --> 02:11:56,316
>> okay. Sean, while I'm on a roll

3895
02:11:56,316 --> 02:11:57,317
I'm going to make a motion that

3896
02:11:57,317 --> 02:11:59,319
we move this forward to the monday

3897
02:11:59,319 --> 02:12:01,319
agenda work

3898
02:12:01,321 --> 02:12:02,322
session to give you some time to figure

3899
02:12:02,322 --> 02:12:04,322
out

3900
02:12:05,259 --> 02:12:07,259
what they were

3901
02:12:08,262 --> 02:12:09,263
up to. Give

3902
02:12:09,263 --> 02:12:10,264
the ward members time to go look at

3903
02:12:10,264 --> 02:12:11,265
these, see if they are acceptable

3904
02:12:11,265 --> 02:12:13,265
to you.

3905
02:12:14,268 --> 02:12:16,268
and

3906
02:12:16,270 --> 02:12:17,271
if not, where would be acceptable?

3907
02:12:17,271 --> 02:12:18,272
again,

3908
02:12:18,272 --> 02:12:20,274
they wanted to move me to the water

3909
02:12:20,274 --> 02:12:21,275
department. It

3910
02:12:21,275 --> 02:12:23,277
made zero sense because it was too

3911
02:12:23,277 --> 02:12:25,279
far off of line from the buses.

3912
02:12:25,279 --> 02:12:28,282
and most people in my ward, more than

3913
02:12:28,282 --> 02:12:29,283
generally, are bus people, so I said

3914
02:12:29,283 --> 02:12:31,283
no to

3915
02:12:34,288 --> 02:12:35,289
that because you are just getting

3916
02:12:35,289 --> 02:12:37,289
people

3917
02:12:37,291 --> 02:12:38,292
not to vote in a ward that only has

3918
02:12:38,292 --> 02:12:41,292
4% people voting already. So look

3919
02:12:43,297 --> 02:12:44,298
at these --again, my motion is to

3920
02:12:44,298 --> 02:12:45,299
move it to

3921
02:12:45,299 --> 02:12:46,300
the agenda work session.

3922
02:12:46,300 --> 02:12:47,301
>> I second

3923
02:12:47,301 --> 02:12:48,302
that.

3924
02:12:48,302 --> 02:12:49,303
>> we got a second. My

3925
02:12:49,303 --> 02:12:50,304
motion gives you time to look at them.

3926
02:12:50,304 --> 02:12:52,304
any other

3927
02:12:53,307 --> 02:12:56,307
discussion? Hearing none, all in

3928
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:58,310
favor? 3-0. We'll

3929
02:12:59,313 --> 02:13:00,314
see you

3930
02:13:00,314 --> 02:13:02,316
back at agenda work session because

3931
02:13:02,316 --> 02:13:04,316
we love

3932
02:13:07,254 --> 02:13:08,255
seeing you.

3933
02:13:08,255 --> 02:13:09,256
>> the location, I think

3934
02:13:09,256 --> 02:13:11,258
they ought to pay

3935
02:13:11,258 --> 02:13:13,658
the cost. A big

3936
02:13:14,261 --> 02:13:15,262
build up.

3937
02:13:15,262 --> 02:13:17,262
>> the next item

3938
02:13:17,264 --> 02:13:18,265
is actually a discussion and a question

3939
02:13:18,265 --> 02:13:20,265
that

3940
02:13:20,267 --> 02:13:22,667
ronnie barrett is going

3941
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:26,273
to be asking as far as the

3942
02:13:26,273 --> 02:13:27,274
ward boundaries deals with the

3943
02:13:27,274 --> 02:13:29,276
election and how we display the ward

3944
02:13:29,276 --> 02:13:31,276
boundaries.

3945
02:13:32,279 --> 02:13:33,280
>> so back in 2020 for you all approved

3946
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,282
the new ward boundaries for the upcoming

3947
02:13:35,282 --> 02:13:38,282
election. We posted the new

3948
02:13:38,285 --> 02:13:39,286
words, new ward boundaries, and we

3949
02:13:39,286 --> 02:13:40,287
left the

3950
02:13:40,287 --> 02:13:41,288
old wards up on the website. But as

3951
02:13:41,288 --> 02:13:43,288
we are rolling

3952
02:13:44,291 --> 02:13:45,292
into

3953
02:13:45,292 --> 02:13:47,294
this election year, we didn't know

3954
02:13:47,294 --> 02:13:48,295
when you guys wanted us to officially

3955
02:13:48,295 --> 02:13:50,295
switch from

3956
02:13:50,297 --> 02:13:51,298
the old wards to the

3957
02:13:51,298 --> 02:13:52,299
new wards. We didn't want to confuse

3958
02:13:52,299 --> 02:13:53,300
voters. We didn't want to confuse

3959
02:13:53,300 --> 02:13:55,300
council

3960
02:13:59,306 --> 02:14:01,306
people

3961
02:14:03,310 --> 02:14:04,311
by getting inundated with questions

3962
02:14:04,311 --> 02:14:05,245
from people they didn't think were

3963
02:14:05,245 --> 02:14:06,246
in their ward,

3964
02:14:06,246 --> 02:14:08,248
but that were in there ward. So we

3965
02:14:08,248 --> 02:14:09,249
have not made the official switch.

3966
02:14:09,249 --> 02:14:10,250
there

3967
02:14:10,250 --> 02:14:11,251
is no easy way and some of the tools

3968
02:14:11,251 --> 02:14:13,253
that we have to list kind

3969
02:14:13,253 --> 02:14:14,254
of the new and old without confusion.

3970
02:14:14,254 --> 02:14:15,255
so operationally, it would be better

3971
02:14:15,255 --> 02:14:16,256
if we

3972
02:14:16,256 --> 02:14:17,257
just made a decision of when to make

3973
02:14:17,257 --> 02:14:18,258
that switch and we are

3974
02:14:18,258 --> 02:14:19,259
just looking for guidance from you

3975
02:14:19,259 --> 02:14:20,260
on when to officially change everything,

3976
02:14:20,260 --> 02:14:21,261
in all the

3977
02:14:21,261 --> 02:14:23,263
systems, so that they reflect the

3978
02:14:23,263 --> 02:14:24,264
new wards.

3979
02:14:24,264 --> 02:14:26,264
>>

3980
02:14:26,266 --> 02:14:27,267
yes or.

3981
02:14:27,267 --> 02:14:29,269
>> I thought we've already

3982
02:14:29,269 --> 02:14:32,269
made the switch. Back when

3983
02:14:32,272 --> 02:14:34,272
you did the

3984
02:14:35,275 --> 02:14:37,275
charter change

3985
02:14:38,278 --> 02:14:40,278
to

3986
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:41,281
change the boundaries.

3987
02:14:41,281 --> 02:14:42,282
>> so we did

3988
02:14:42,282 --> 02:14:43,283
not change anything in the system,

3989
02:14:43,283 --> 02:14:44,284
so

3990
02:14:44,284 --> 02:14:45,285
that would've been an oversight on

3991
02:14:45,285 --> 02:14:46,286
our part. But we were clear.

3992
02:14:46,286 --> 02:14:47,287
>> we

3993
02:14:47,287 --> 02:14:48,288
kept

3994
02:14:48,288 --> 02:14:49,289
them both in there because we had

3995
02:14:49,289 --> 02:14:50,290
people that were saying, wait a minute,

3996
02:14:50,290 --> 02:14:51,291
I voted for so and so and that's the

3997
02:14:51,291 --> 02:14:52,292
word I'm in. Until the next

3998
02:14:52,292 --> 02:14:53,293
election and you are not anymore.

3999
02:14:53,293 --> 02:14:54,294
but now what we are worried

4000
02:14:54,294 --> 02:14:56,296
about is with the election coming

4001
02:14:56,296 --> 02:14:58,696
up, obviously we want

4002
02:15:02,302 --> 02:15:03,303
to understand [ inaudible ], they

4003
02:15:03,303 --> 02:15:04,304
knew who they

4004
02:15:04,304 --> 02:15:05,239
are going to be voting for, they need

4005
02:15:05,239 --> 02:15:08,242
to know the right ward they

4006
02:15:08,242 --> 02:15:09,243
are in.

4007
02:15:09,243 --> 02:15:10,244
>> I

4008
02:15:10,244 --> 02:15:11,245
know that affects where there voting

4009
02:15:11,245 --> 02:15:12,246
is going to be, as well, in case this

4010
02:15:12,246 --> 02:15:14,248
hasn't already been transmitted up

4011
02:15:14,248 --> 02:15:16,248
to

4012
02:15:17,251 --> 02:15:18,252
the state for their voter registration,

4013
02:15:18,252 --> 02:15:19,253
too.

4014
02:15:19,253 --> 02:15:20,254
is going to be important, especially

4015
02:15:20,254 --> 02:15:22,654
with the special elections

4016
02:15:23,257 --> 02:15:25,257
going on.

4017
02:15:25,259 --> 02:15:26,260
>> [ inaudible ]? >> anything that's

4018
02:15:26,260 --> 02:15:27,261
going to be annexed.

4019
02:15:27,261 --> 02:15:29,261
>>

4020
02:15:29,263 --> 02:15:31,263
that's next year.

4021
02:15:32,266 --> 02:15:33,267
>> right. That's not going to be decided

4022
02:15:33,267 --> 02:15:35,267
by us until

4023
02:15:35,269 --> 02:15:36,270
the next redistricting.

4024
02:15:36,270 --> 02:15:38,270
>> thank

4025
02:15:38,272 --> 02:15:39,273
you.

4026
02:15:39,273 --> 02:15:41,273
>> nobody from the

4027
02:15:41,275 --> 02:15:43,275
city council or

4028
02:15:43,277 --> 02:15:44,278
--the subsequent data has been adversely

4029
02:15:44,278 --> 02:15:45,279
affected.

4030
02:15:45,279 --> 02:15:47,279
>> they

4031
02:15:47,281 --> 02:15:48,282
have not.

4032
02:15:48,282 --> 02:15:50,282
>>

4033
02:15:50,284 --> 02:15:53,287
a horrible situation for all of us.

4034
02:15:53,287 --> 02:15:55,687
she moved and then

4035
02:15:56,290 --> 02:15:58,290
they changed

4036
02:15:59,293 --> 02:16:00,294
the mapmakers.

4037
02:16:00,294 --> 02:16:02,296
>> as long as no

4038
02:16:02,296 --> 02:16:05,296
one moves, we've already voted

4039
02:16:08,235 --> 02:16:09,236
it in .

4040
02:16:09,236 --> 02:16:10,237
>> okay, so go ahead

4041
02:16:10,237 --> 02:16:11,238
and pull the old ward information.

4042
02:16:11,238 --> 02:16:12,239
>> do I have any comments on whether

4043
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:13,240
or not

4044
02:16:13,240 --> 02:16:14,241
to pull now or pull later?

4045
02:16:14,241 --> 02:16:15,242
>> I think

4046
02:16:15,242 --> 02:16:17,242
it's probably best [

4047
02:16:17,244 --> 02:16:19,244
inaudible

4048
02:16:19,246 --> 02:16:20,247
]

4049
02:16:20,247 --> 02:16:21,248
>> really should've already been

4050
02:16:21,248 --> 02:16:22,249
done and made sure we transmitted

4051
02:16:22,249 --> 02:16:23,250
the word,

4052
02:16:23,250 --> 02:16:24,251
made sure everyone knew.

4053
02:16:24,251 --> 02:16:26,251
>>

4054
02:16:26,253 --> 02:16:27,254
your thoughts on whether or not we

4055
02:16:27,254 --> 02:16:29,254
should change

4056
02:16:29,256 --> 02:16:31,256
boundaries now

4057
02:16:32,259 --> 02:16:33,260
or later?

4058
02:16:33,260 --> 02:16:35,260
>> change what we

4059
02:16:35,262 --> 02:16:37,262
all discussed.

4060
02:16:37,264 --> 02:16:38,265
>> I'll say, just to reiterate, we

4061
02:16:38,265 --> 02:16:40,265
do have

4062
02:16:40,267 --> 02:16:41,268
on-site, these are the maps that are

4063
02:16:41,268 --> 02:16:44,271
in place for the next election.

4064
02:16:44,271 --> 02:16:45,272
we just also had the old ones in there

4065
02:16:45,272 --> 02:16:47,272
so

4066
02:16:47,274 --> 02:16:49,276
that you both, we are just going

4067
02:16:49,276 --> 02:16:52,279
to wipe out, just keep the new one

4068
02:16:52,279 --> 02:16:53,280
in there.

4069
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,680
>> it's the last detailed

4070
02:16:59,286 --> 02:17:00,287
question is do you want me to go ahead

4071
02:17:00,287 --> 02:17:01,288
and do it now or

4072
02:17:01,288 --> 02:17:03,290
do you want me to wait until you take

4073
02:17:03,290 --> 02:17:04,291
the official vote on february 12th?

4074
02:17:04,291 --> 02:17:06,226
>> actually you don't even have to

4075
02:17:06,226 --> 02:17:07,227
take that vote if you all just

4076
02:17:07,227 --> 02:17:08,228
instruct us to do it.

4077
02:17:08,228 --> 02:17:09,229
>> we voted

4078
02:17:09,229 --> 02:17:10,230
in '23, I thought to go

4079
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:12,230
>>

4080
02:17:12,232 --> 02:17:15,232
for purposes of the sidewalk

4081
02:17:15,235 --> 02:17:18,238
fund for zoning and all that, I

4082
02:17:18,238 --> 02:17:21,241
think we operate the way we

4083
02:17:21,241 --> 02:17:23,241
were

4084
02:17:24,244 --> 02:17:26,644
elected. Unless somebody wants [

4085
02:17:27,247 --> 02:17:28,248
inaudible ]

4086
02:17:28,248 --> 02:17:29,249
>> we can

4087
02:17:29,249 --> 02:17:30,250
maintain that data so if there's a

4088
02:17:30,250 --> 02:17:32,250
question, we

4089
02:17:32,252 --> 02:17:33,253
can work through that.

4090
02:17:33,253 --> 02:17:35,253
>> our ideas

4091
02:17:36,256 --> 02:17:37,257
among ourselves

4092
02:17:37,257 --> 02:17:39,259
stays the same until [ inaudible ].

4093
02:17:39,259 --> 02:17:41,259
>> yes or.

4094
02:17:42,262 --> 02:17:44,262
>> I think

4095
02:17:45,265 --> 02:17:46,266
that's right. I'm

4096
02:17:46,266 --> 02:17:48,268
still spending my street money on

4097
02:17:48,268 --> 02:17:49,269
my

4098
02:17:49,269 --> 02:17:51,271
streets but they are going to be different

4099
02:17:51,271 --> 02:17:55,275
people who will be voting for me.

4100
02:17:55,275 --> 02:17:56,276
that's okay.

4101
02:17:56,276 --> 02:17:57,277
>> all right. Thank you

4102
02:17:57,277 --> 02:17:58,278
all.

4103
02:17:58,278 --> 02:18:00,278
>> weird on.

4104
02:18:03,283 --> 02:18:06,220
all right. Proposed amendment to

4105
02:18:06,220 --> 02:18:07,221
ordinance 10-4-030.

4106
02:18:07,221 --> 02:18:09,221
>>

4107
02:18:09,223 --> 02:18:11,223
yes ma'am. This

4108
02:18:12,226 --> 02:18:14,228
first request is to amend

4109
02:18:14,228 --> 02:18:15,229
that ordinance, while we are reviewing

4110
02:18:15,229 --> 02:18:18,229
that ordinance, looking at some

4111
02:18:18,232 --> 02:18:19,233
other ordinances we

4112
02:18:19,233 --> 02:18:21,235
have. It didn't include all public

4113
02:18:21,235 --> 02:18:23,235
places as

4114
02:18:27,241 --> 02:18:29,241
an example

4115
02:18:29,243 --> 02:18:30,244
, if someone wanted to camp or light

4116
02:18:30,244 --> 02:18:31,245
a fire out

4117
02:18:31,245 --> 02:18:32,246
here on the green between police and

4118
02:18:32,246 --> 02:18:33,247
fire department, it's not covered

4119
02:18:33,247 --> 02:18:34,248
in this ordinance.

4120
02:18:34,248 --> 02:18:36,250
so basically it's a slight change

4121
02:18:36,250 --> 02:18:38,252
to add the words, upon any

4122
02:18:38,252 --> 02:18:39,253
other public property, which would

4123
02:18:39,253 --> 02:18:42,253
be other city property. That's

4124
02:18:42,256 --> 02:18:43,257
really it.

4125
02:18:43,257 --> 02:18:44,258
>> that's easy. >> it shortens

4126
02:18:44,258 --> 02:18:45,259
it and it deletes some extraneous

4127
02:18:45,259 --> 02:18:47,259
language by

4128
02:18:48,262 --> 02:18:50,262
providing that

4129
02:18:54,268 --> 02:18:55,269
firsthand. That doesn't otherwise

4130
02:18:55,269 --> 02:18:56,270
change

4131
02:18:56,270 --> 02:18:57,271
the meaning outside of that additional

4132
02:18:57,271 --> 02:18:58,272
language.

4133
02:18:58,272 --> 02:18:59,273
>> no, not at all. Camp

4134
02:18:59,273 --> 02:19:00,274
or

4135
02:19:00,274 --> 02:19:01,275
build a fire.

4136
02:19:01,275 --> 02:19:02,276
>> do I have a motion?

4137
02:19:02,276 --> 02:19:03,277
actually first, any

4138
02:19:03,277 --> 02:19:05,212
comments? Comments,

4139
02:19:05,212 --> 02:19:06,213
concerns, issues? This is the shortest

4140
02:19:06,213 --> 02:19:08,613
thing we are looking

4141
02:19:09,216 --> 02:19:11,216
at all day.

4142
02:19:12,219 --> 02:19:15,219
>> this was on the middle

4143
02:19:16,223 --> 02:19:18,225
six acres, can we enforce this on

4144
02:19:18,225 --> 02:19:19,226
private property?

4145
02:19:19,226 --> 02:19:21,226
>> this

4146
02:19:21,228 --> 02:19:24,228
is the public one. The

4147
02:19:24,231 --> 02:19:27,831
first one. That's the next one.

4148
02:19:30,237 --> 02:19:32,637
>> this [ inaudible ] in washington,

4149
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:34,241
oregon.

4150
02:19:34,241 --> 02:19:36,241
>> it's any --

4151
02:19:36,243 --> 02:19:38,243
as it's

4152
02:19:39,246 --> 02:19:40,247
worded.

4153
02:19:40,247 --> 02:19:41,248
>>

4154
02:19:41,248 --> 02:19:42,249
it's on private property.

4155
02:19:42,249 --> 02:19:43,250
>> the next

4156
02:19:43,250 --> 02:19:44,251
one we are going

4157
02:19:44,251 --> 02:19:45,252
to talk about his private property.

4158
02:19:45,252 --> 02:19:48,252
this one is public property.

4159
02:19:51,258 --> 02:19:53,258
>> 225073. >> I

4160
02:19:54,261 --> 02:19:55,262
went ahead of you, thank you.

4161
02:19:55,262 --> 02:19:57,262
>>

4162
02:19:57,264 --> 02:20:00,267
anyone else, do I have a motion?

4163
02:20:00,267 --> 02:20:03,267
>> yes, a motion to approve

4164
02:20:03,270 --> 02:20:05,270
10-4-030 with

4165
02:20:09,209 --> 02:20:11,209
the changes

4166
02:20:12,212 --> 02:20:14,214
that you have brought before

4167
02:20:14,214 --> 02:20:15,215
us.

4168
02:20:15,215 --> 02:20:16,216
>> do I have a second? Got a second.

4169
02:20:16,216 --> 02:20:17,217
got a motion and a

4170
02:20:17,217 --> 02:20:18,218
second. Any other discussion?

4171
02:20:18,218 --> 02:20:20,218
>> county

4172
02:20:21,221 --> 02:20:23,221
property

4173
02:20:24,224 --> 02:20:26,224
including transit,

4174
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:32,232
is that our jurisdiction?

4175
02:20:32,232 --> 02:20:33,233
>> we would contact the county, let

4176
02:20:33,233 --> 02:20:34,234
them deal with it. For instance, if

4177
02:20:34,234 --> 02:20:35,235
they

4178
02:20:35,235 --> 02:20:36,236
started camping in the civic center

4179
02:20:36,236 --> 02:20:37,237
parking lot, you're going to call

4180
02:20:37,237 --> 02:20:38,238
cobb county and

4181
02:20:38,238 --> 02:20:39,239
enforce their ordinances.

4182
02:20:39,239 --> 02:20:40,240
>> thank

4183
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:41,241
you.

4184
02:20:41,241 --> 02:20:42,242
>>

4185
02:20:42,242 --> 02:20:44,244
all right go hearing any other

4186
02:20:44,244 --> 02:20:45,245
questions? Having a motion and a second?

4187
02:20:45,245 --> 02:20:47,245
all

4188
02:20:48,248 --> 02:20:51,251
in favor, it passes 3-0. Is

4189
02:20:51,251 --> 02:20:53,253
this good for consent?

4190
02:20:53,253 --> 02:20:57,257
on consent, please. So the last thing

4191
02:20:57,257 --> 02:21:00,260
we have, which is something I'm

4192
02:21:00,260 --> 02:21:01,261
passing around --

4193
02:21:01,261 --> 02:21:02,262
>> it was

4194
02:21:02,262 --> 02:21:03,263
not in the package.

4195
02:21:03,263 --> 02:21:04,264
>> one thing is

4196
02:21:04,264 --> 02:21:06,266
you are passing it around, I

4197
02:21:06,266 --> 02:21:09,269
think for first meeting, this is

4198
02:21:09,269 --> 02:21:10,270
an ordinance.

4199
02:21:10,270 --> 02:21:12,270
>> that's right.

4200
02:21:15,275 --> 02:21:17,275
thank you.

4201
02:21:17,277 --> 02:21:18,278
>> that's the same thing as polling

4202
02:21:18,278 --> 02:21:19,279
places technically, too.

4203
02:21:19,279 --> 02:21:21,279
>>

4204
02:21:21,281 --> 02:21:22,282
okay. This goes around, talking about

4205
02:21:22,282 --> 02:21:24,282
prohibited use

4206
02:21:24,284 --> 02:21:25,285
of private

4207
02:21:25,285 --> 02:21:27,287
property. Chief, I'll let you take

4208
02:21:27,287 --> 02:21:28,288
it.

4209
02:21:28,288 --> 02:21:30,288
>>

4210
02:21:33,293 --> 02:21:34,294
yes ma'am . This ordinance, if

4211
02:21:34,294 --> 02:21:36,296
adopted, would allow us to charge

4212
02:21:36,296 --> 02:21:37,297
individuals who are camping on private

4213
02:21:37,297 --> 02:21:38,298
property without

4214
02:21:38,298 --> 02:21:39,299
the property owner's permission. We've

4215
02:21:39,299 --> 02:21:41,301
done some research. There

4216
02:21:41,301 --> 02:21:42,302
are multiple local jurisdictions in

4217
02:21:42,302 --> 02:21:44,702
georgia that already have

4218
02:21:45,305 --> 02:21:47,305
this ordinance

4219
02:21:48,308 --> 02:21:49,309
work for

4220
02:21:49,309 --> 02:21:50,310
including glynn county, cleveland,

4221
02:21:50,310 --> 02:21:51,311
georgia, and woodstock, georgia. They've

4222
02:21:51,311 --> 02:21:53,311
all had it

4223
02:21:56,316 --> 02:21:57,317
in place everywhere from 2011, 2013

4224
02:21:57,317 --> 02:22:00,317
to 2023. We reached out to

4225
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:01,321
those three jurisdictions to find

4226
02:22:01,321 --> 02:22:03,323
out if they were

4227
02:22:03,323 --> 02:22:05,723
having any trouble prosecuting

4228
02:22:06,260 --> 02:22:10,264
a charge and they are not. We spoke

4229
02:22:10,264 --> 02:22:13,264
to the prosecutors of all

4230
02:22:13,267 --> 02:22:15,267
three jurisdictions.

4231
02:22:15,269 --> 02:22:16,270
to do a little further research today,

4232
02:22:16,270 --> 02:22:17,271
just to see

4233
02:22:17,271 --> 02:22:18,272
if there were any other local jurisdictions

4234
02:22:18,272 --> 02:22:19,273
in georgia and we haven't made phone

4235
02:22:19,273 --> 02:22:21,273
calls

4236
02:22:22,276 --> 02:22:24,276
to

4237
02:22:25,279 --> 02:22:26,280
these two but and perry also

4238
02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:27,281
have the same ordinance in place.

4239
02:22:27,281 --> 02:22:28,282
in some cases it's an ordinance by

4240
02:22:28,282 --> 02:22:29,283
itself. In other

4241
02:22:29,283 --> 02:22:30,284
cases it's a bullet within a camping

4242
02:22:30,284 --> 02:22:31,285
ordinance but it's the same verbiage.

4243
02:22:31,285 --> 02:22:32,286
spoke

4244
02:22:32,286 --> 02:22:34,288
to van smith and solicitor ben smith,

4245
02:22:34,288 --> 02:22:39,880
he felt like he had no issue whatsoever

4246
02:22:40,294 --> 02:22:42,294
prosecuting them.

4247
02:22:46,300 --> 02:22:47,301
we ran the ordinance by rich

4248
02:22:47,301 --> 02:22:48,302
bus from a parks perspective, which

4249
02:22:48,302 --> 02:22:49,303
doesn't have a lot to do with parks

4250
02:22:49,303 --> 02:22:50,304
but

4251
02:22:50,304 --> 02:22:52,306
still thought he should look at it.

4252
02:22:52,306 --> 02:22:53,307
he's on the real issues and ron brewster,

4253
02:22:53,307 --> 02:22:54,308
a code enforcement perspective for

4254
02:22:54,308 --> 02:22:55,309
the city, of course mr. Haney's office

4255
02:22:55,309 --> 02:22:56,310
is also [

4256
02:22:56,310 --> 02:22:57,311
inaudible ].

4257
02:22:57,311 --> 02:22:58,312
>> what does this do

4258
02:22:58,312 --> 02:23:00,312
with

4259
02:23:02,316 --> 02:23:04,318
the cta? Do you still have to have

4260
02:23:04,318 --> 02:23:05,252
that?

4261
02:23:05,252 --> 02:23:07,254
>> the what? >> the trespass

4262
02:23:07,254 --> 02:23:09,254
[

4263
02:23:10,257 --> 02:23:12,257
inaudible ]

4264
02:23:15,262 --> 02:23:16,263
>> I see it as two different things.

4265
02:23:16,263 --> 02:23:17,264
>> okay. >> I

4266
02:23:17,264 --> 02:23:18,265
believe you could be charged with

4267
02:23:18,265 --> 02:23:19,266
both actually, as an example, if we

4268
02:23:19,266 --> 02:23:21,266
have

4269
02:23:21,268 --> 02:23:22,269
a trespassing situation where we have

4270
02:23:22,269 --> 02:23:23,270
somebody who

4271
02:23:23,270 --> 02:23:25,272
has been warned not to be on the property

4272
02:23:25,272 --> 02:23:26,273
before, that's a charge by itself.

4273
02:23:26,273 --> 02:23:28,275
and if they were there camping on

4274
02:23:28,275 --> 02:23:30,277
top of that, it would be a

4275
02:23:30,277 --> 02:23:31,278
second charge. That being said, from

4276
02:23:31,278 --> 02:23:32,279
an enforcement standpoint, I would

4277
02:23:32,279 --> 02:23:33,280
prefer that my officers enforce it

4278
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:34,281
similarly. We're giving people a chance

4279
02:23:34,281 --> 02:23:36,281
to leave the

4280
02:23:37,284 --> 02:23:38,285
grounds and not

4281
02:23:38,285 --> 02:23:40,287
just coming in and start charging

4282
02:23:40,287 --> 02:23:41,288
people

4283
02:23:41,288 --> 02:23:43,290
without first having them the opportunity,

4284
02:23:43,290 --> 02:23:45,290
probably 2

4285
02:23:45,292 --> 02:23:46,293
to 3 days opportunity to get off the

4286
02:23:46,293 --> 02:23:48,293
property with

4287
02:23:49,296 --> 02:23:50,297
there camping materials,

4288
02:23:50,297 --> 02:23:52,299
et cetera, before we write the citation.

4289
02:23:52,299 --> 02:23:54,301
and we would also verify that the

4290
02:23:54,301 --> 02:23:55,302
owner of the property has not given

4291
02:23:55,302 --> 02:23:57,702
permission for people to

4292
02:24:01,308 --> 02:24:03,308
camp there.

4293
02:24:03,310 --> 02:24:04,311
that's the plan for the enforcement

4294
02:24:04,311 --> 02:24:05,245
side. I will say that the other

4295
02:24:05,245 --> 02:24:07,247
jurisdictions, the three we've spoken

4296
02:24:07,247 --> 02:24:09,249
to, they don't do that.

4297
02:24:09,249 --> 02:24:10,250
they assume --they cite and then they

4298
02:24:10,250 --> 02:24:13,250
leave it up to the

4299
02:24:13,253 --> 02:24:15,253
defendant

4300
02:24:16,256 --> 02:24:17,257
in court to prove that they had permission

4301
02:24:17,257 --> 02:24:18,258
to do

4302
02:24:18,258 --> 02:24:19,259
so, unless they prove it to the officer.

4303
02:24:19,259 --> 02:24:21,261
I would prefer not to do

4304
02:24:21,261 --> 02:24:22,262
that. I would prefer to do it on the

4305
02:24:22,262 --> 02:24:23,263
front end before we prosecute, verify

4306
02:24:23,263 --> 02:24:25,265
that they do not have [ inaudible

4307
02:24:25,265 --> 02:24:27,265
].

4308
02:24:28,268 --> 02:24:29,269
>> okay. >> I have one

4309
02:24:29,269 --> 02:24:30,270
question.

4310
02:24:30,270 --> 02:24:31,271
>> please. >> chief, so

4311
02:24:31,271 --> 02:24:33,271
in that instance

4312
02:24:33,273 --> 02:24:34,274
let's say you --what's the timeline

4313
02:24:34,274 --> 02:24:36,674
if you can't really

4314
02:24:37,277 --> 02:24:39,277
find an owner?

4315
02:24:39,279 --> 02:24:40,280
>> will the options there are going

4316
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:41,281
to be that we

4317
02:24:41,281 --> 02:24:43,283
don't prosecute or that we prosecute

4318
02:24:43,283 --> 02:24:46,283
like the other jurisdictions I

4319
02:24:49,289 --> 02:24:50,290
just mentioned .

4320
02:24:50,290 --> 02:24:52,292
we do have some situations where we

4321
02:24:52,292 --> 02:24:53,293
have a company that owns land and

4322
02:24:53,293 --> 02:24:55,295
we can't get a person on the telephone.

4323
02:24:55,295 --> 02:24:57,297
>> is kind of what I was

4324
02:24:57,297 --> 02:24:58,298
leading to. Yeah.

4325
02:24:58,298 --> 02:24:59,299
>> if you want to

4326
02:24:59,299 --> 02:25:00,300
go at it

4327
02:25:00,300 --> 02:25:01,301
purely from an enforcement standpoint,

4328
02:25:01,301 --> 02:25:02,302
I believe we could still charge based

4329
02:25:02,302 --> 02:25:04,304
on what these other jurisdictions

4330
02:25:04,304 --> 02:25:05,239
have done and had no issues with,

4331
02:25:05,239 --> 02:25:07,239
and

4332
02:25:10,244 --> 02:25:11,245
based on

4333
02:25:11,245 --> 02:25:13,247
what our city solicitor said, that

4334
02:25:13,247 --> 02:25:14,248
he feels he could prosecute the case.

4335
02:25:14,248 --> 02:25:15,249
that being

4336
02:25:15,249 --> 02:25:16,250
said, if we did it and it failed,

4337
02:25:16,250 --> 02:25:17,251
we would have to stop prosecuting

4338
02:25:17,251 --> 02:25:19,253
and those people would be allowed

4339
02:25:19,253 --> 02:25:20,254
to camp there until we could find

4340
02:25:20,254 --> 02:25:22,254
the owner

4341
02:25:22,256 --> 02:25:23,257
and verify.

4342
02:25:23,257 --> 02:25:24,258
>> you have corporations

4343
02:25:24,258 --> 02:25:25,259
with

4344
02:25:25,259 --> 02:25:26,260
different names and that might be

4345
02:25:26,260 --> 02:25:28,260
a

4346
02:25:28,262 --> 02:25:30,262
little difficult.

4347
02:25:31,265 --> 02:25:33,265
>> great. Any

4348
02:25:34,268 --> 02:25:36,268
other --[ inaudible ].

4349
02:25:37,271 --> 02:25:39,271
>> motion is called

4350
02:25:40,274 --> 02:25:42,274
the probably

4351
02:25:49,283 --> 02:25:51,283
[ inaudible ].

4352
02:25:51,285 --> 02:25:52,286
y'all not just walking through the

4353
02:25:52,286 --> 02:25:53,287
woods trying to find them. Neighbors

4354
02:25:53,287 --> 02:25:54,288
complain about noise.

4355
02:25:54,288 --> 02:25:55,289
>> on almost a daily basis. I receive

4356
02:25:55,289 --> 02:25:56,290
one a day, again, of complaint about

4357
02:25:56,290 --> 02:25:58,292
people camping and just generally

4358
02:25:58,292 --> 02:25:59,293
in the area, causing issues. So it's

4359
02:25:59,293 --> 02:26:00,294
usually neighbors. It's

4360
02:26:00,294 --> 02:26:01,295
sometimes the property owners but

4361
02:26:01,295 --> 02:26:03,295
it's

4362
02:26:07,234 --> 02:26:09,234
usually neighbors

4363
02:26:10,237 --> 02:26:12,237
, they

4364
02:26:12,239 --> 02:26:13,240
see the campfires, they see the people

4365
02:26:13,240 --> 02:26:15,242
go in the woods. They see the

4366
02:26:15,242 --> 02:26:16,243
tents when the leaves fall off the

4367
02:26:16,243 --> 02:26:17,244
trees. They call us about the situation.

4368
02:26:17,244 --> 02:26:18,245
but

4369
02:26:18,245 --> 02:26:19,246
sometimes it's property owners, as

4370
02:26:19,246 --> 02:26:20,247
well. We've had people laying down

4371
02:26:20,247 --> 02:26:21,248
and sleeping in yards,

4372
02:26:21,248 --> 02:26:22,249
not that as much as the camping that

4373
02:26:22,249 --> 02:26:25,249
we have that on occasion

4374
02:26:25,252 --> 02:26:26,253
as well.

4375
02:26:26,253 --> 02:26:28,253
>>

4376
02:26:28,255 --> 02:26:29,256
first thing, we know other cities

4377
02:26:29,256 --> 02:26:31,256
are

4378
02:26:31,258 --> 02:26:33,260
doing it, just I want

4379
02:26:33,260 --> 02:26:34,261
to ask the same question I did with

4380
02:26:34,261 --> 02:26:35,262
disorderly conduct is making sure

4381
02:26:35,262 --> 02:26:37,262
we

4382
02:26:37,264 --> 02:26:40,267
have the authority going back. The

4383
02:26:40,267 --> 02:26:42,269
squatter law doesn't have

4384
02:26:42,269 --> 02:26:44,271
that exception, so that would be a

4385
02:26:44,271 --> 02:26:46,271
question on

4386
02:26:50,277 --> 02:26:52,277
that one

4387
02:26:52,279 --> 02:26:53,280
[ inaudible ].

4388
02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:54,281
>> the city, if it

4389
02:26:54,281 --> 02:26:55,282
would so

4390
02:26:55,282 --> 02:26:56,283
choose, would have the authority under

4391
02:26:56,283 --> 02:26:57,284
the police power of the constitution.

4392
02:26:57,284 --> 02:26:58,285
>> than the

4393
02:26:58,285 --> 02:26:59,286
other thing that worries me on this

4394
02:26:59,286 --> 02:27:00,287
is kind

4395
02:27:00,287 --> 02:27:02,289
of the thing you brought up already,

4396
02:27:02,289 --> 02:27:04,289
the fact that

4397
02:27:07,227 --> 02:27:08,228
it's a --the law almost assumes that

4398
02:27:08,228 --> 02:27:10,228
there is

4399
02:27:12,232 --> 02:27:14,234
no permission --that no permission

4400
02:27:14,234 --> 02:27:16,236
was given by the owner to

4401
02:27:16,236 --> 02:27:19,239
do it and then you have to put into

4402
02:27:19,239 --> 02:27:22,839
the thing of proving it otherwise,

4403
02:27:23,243 --> 02:27:25,243
which is

4404
02:27:25,245 --> 02:27:26,246
a rare thing. The thing is, though,

4405
02:27:26,246 --> 02:27:28,246
you get someone

4406
02:27:32,252 --> 02:27:33,253
who says, it becomes

4407
02:27:33,253 --> 02:27:34,254
impossible, he said/she said or you

4408
02:27:34,254 --> 02:27:35,255
try to look around, [ inaudible ].

4409
02:27:35,255 --> 02:27:37,255
it

4410
02:27:37,257 --> 02:27:38,258
makes it hard to prove. The proof

4411
02:27:38,258 --> 02:27:39,259
of

4412
02:27:39,259 --> 02:27:41,261
the thing is something I'd be worried

4413
02:27:41,261 --> 02:27:44,261
about especially, and also if

4414
02:27:44,264 --> 02:27:46,264
there is

4415
02:27:48,268 --> 02:27:50,270
an officer, say someone in the future

4416
02:27:50,270 --> 02:27:53,273
came up and they just saw

4417
02:27:53,273 --> 02:27:54,274
this language, would they assume they

4418
02:27:54,274 --> 02:27:56,276
have right to go on to someone's property

4419
02:27:56,276 --> 02:27:59,279
to take a look for someone not

4420
02:27:59,279 --> 02:28:01,279
doing it, not

4421
02:28:01,281 --> 02:28:02,282
camping out, and possibly then have

4422
02:28:02,282 --> 02:28:04,282
a fourth

4423
02:28:08,222 --> 02:28:10,222
amendment violation.

4424
02:28:11,225 --> 02:28:12,226
that's kind of --those

4425
02:28:12,226 --> 02:28:13,227
were some of my concerns about the

4426
02:28:13,227 --> 02:28:14,228
current language as proposed.

4427
02:28:14,228 --> 02:28:15,229
>> I

4428
02:28:15,229 --> 02:28:16,230
don't disagree. I

4429
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:17,231
think it's very important with an

4430
02:28:17,231 --> 02:28:18,232
ordinance like this that we do a lot

4431
02:28:18,232 --> 02:28:19,233
of

4432
02:28:19,233 --> 02:28:20,234
back end planning before we actually

4433
02:28:20,234 --> 02:28:21,235
enforce it. Once it's adopted we will

4434
02:28:21,235 --> 02:28:22,236
need

4435
02:28:22,236 --> 02:28:26,436
to make sure our officers are trained

4436
02:28:27,241 --> 02:28:29,243
properly and what you said is exactly

4437
02:28:29,243 --> 02:28:30,244
true. We can't just go tromping

4438
02:28:30,244 --> 02:28:32,246
onto private property. We need a minimum

4439
02:28:32,246 --> 02:28:33,247
of a complaint where there is an issue

4440
02:28:33,247 --> 02:28:34,248
of fire or something that could be

4441
02:28:34,248 --> 02:28:35,249
dangerous. The property owner that

4442
02:28:35,249 --> 02:28:37,249
has already

4443
02:28:41,255 --> 02:28:43,255
told us

4444
02:28:44,258 --> 02:28:45,259
there shouldn't be

4445
02:28:45,259 --> 02:28:47,261
anyone on the property but if I see

4446
02:28:47,261 --> 02:28:48,262
one tent on five acres of land

4447
02:28:48,262 --> 02:28:50,264
in the middle, from a drone or something

4448
02:28:50,264 --> 02:28:51,265
that's flying over, that doesn't give

4449
02:28:51,265 --> 02:28:53,267
me permission to go onto that property

4450
02:28:53,267 --> 02:28:54,268
and check that tent out. Could be

4451
02:28:54,268 --> 02:28:55,269
the

4452
02:28:55,269 --> 02:28:56,270
property owner's tent so there's a

4453
02:28:56,270 --> 02:28:57,271
lot of back and training on it.

4454
02:28:57,271 --> 02:28:58,272
>>

4455
02:28:58,272 --> 02:28:59,273
as presented, if the authority thing,

4456
02:28:59,273 --> 02:29:01,673
which I know this

4457
02:29:02,276 --> 02:29:03,277
would be some of

4458
02:29:03,277 --> 02:29:05,212
the concerns, wordsmithing or something

4459
02:29:05,212 --> 02:29:08,215
like this would go into effect on

4460
02:29:08,215 --> 02:29:11,218
that. That would be my concern

4461
02:29:11,218 --> 02:29:13,218
on

4462
02:29:13,220 --> 02:29:14,221
that one.

4463
02:29:14,221 --> 02:29:15,222
>> just to integrate what

4464
02:29:15,222 --> 02:29:17,224
you just said into

4465
02:29:17,224 --> 02:29:19,226
the language so that we have some

4466
02:29:19,226 --> 02:29:20,227
--I know you will do. I don't know

4467
02:29:20,227 --> 02:29:22,229
what the next one will do,

4468
02:29:22,229 --> 02:29:23,230
if that makes sense. I know how you

4469
02:29:23,230 --> 02:29:26,230
enforce it, basically what you

4470
02:29:29,236 --> 02:29:30,237
just told is making sure

4471
02:29:30,237 --> 02:29:32,239
that it's very clear going forward

4472
02:29:32,239 --> 02:29:33,240
so we don't have incidents going forward

4473
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:34,241
in

4474
02:29:34,241 --> 02:29:35,242
case there is a break in the chain

4475
02:29:35,242 --> 02:29:36,243
or something like that. Okay?

4476
02:29:36,243 --> 02:29:38,243
>> okay.

4477
02:29:38,245 --> 02:29:41,245
>> I guess I have -->> [

4478
02:29:42,249 --> 02:29:43,250
inaudible ]

4479
02:29:43,250 --> 02:29:44,251
>> the other question

4480
02:29:44,251 --> 02:29:45,252
would be --

4481
02:29:45,252 --> 02:29:46,253
>> [ inaudible ]. >>

4482
02:29:46,253 --> 02:29:47,254
I'm good with the language, too.

4483
02:29:47,254 --> 02:29:48,255
>>

4484
02:29:48,255 --> 02:29:50,257
do you think that the people will

4485
02:29:50,257 --> 02:29:51,258
that we would be

4486
02:29:51,258 --> 02:29:53,260
addressing and dealing with, will

4487
02:29:53,260 --> 02:29:55,660
they actually come to

4488
02:29:59,266 --> 02:30:00,267
court?

4489
02:30:00,267 --> 02:30:02,267
>>

4490
02:30:02,269 --> 02:30:04,271
I couldn't really answer that.

4491
02:30:04,271 --> 02:30:05,205
if I had to give you my best guess

4492
02:30:05,205 --> 02:30:07,207
I would say it's a 50/50.

4493
02:30:07,207 --> 02:30:08,208
I think some have the capability to come

4494
02:30:08,208 --> 02:30:10,210
to court and some don't. As an example,

4495
02:30:10,210 --> 02:30:11,211
we made an arrest today in that area

4496
02:30:11,211 --> 02:30:13,611
for a failure to

4497
02:30:14,214 --> 02:30:16,614
appear case out of

4498
02:30:17,217 --> 02:30:19,217
cherokee county,

4499
02:30:19,219 --> 02:30:20,220
a misdemeanor public drunk jaywalking

4500
02:30:20,220 --> 02:30:21,221
case that had

4501
02:30:21,221 --> 02:30:23,223
been made in cherokee county, and

4502
02:30:23,223 --> 02:30:24,224
the person did not go to court. And

4503
02:30:24,224 --> 02:30:26,224
they were

4504
02:30:26,226 --> 02:30:27,227
on how standing that area today, and

4505
02:30:27,227 --> 02:30:29,229
we made contact, had an outstanding

4506
02:30:29,229 --> 02:30:30,230
warrant, maybe arrest, turn them over

4507
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:32,230
to cherokee county.

4508
02:30:32,232 --> 02:30:34,232
that's probably an

4509
02:30:35,235 --> 02:30:37,237
example of how they ended up where

4510
02:30:37,237 --> 02:30:38,238
they ended up. I couldn't tell you.

4511
02:30:38,238 --> 02:30:39,239
I don't know. They did not go back

4512
02:30:39,239 --> 02:30:40,240
to

4513
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:41,241
court in cherokee county.

4514
02:30:41,241 --> 02:30:42,242
>> got it.

4515
02:30:42,242 --> 02:30:44,244
>> some may make that attempt to

4516
02:30:44,244 --> 02:30:47,247
go. It's not actually that far. Look

4517
02:30:47,247 --> 02:30:49,247
at the city

4518
02:30:50,250 --> 02:30:52,252
of marietta. Assuming they stay

4519
02:30:52,252 --> 02:30:53,253
in the marietta area, they at least

4520
02:30:53,253 --> 02:30:55,255
have the opportunity to go to court

4521
02:30:55,255 --> 02:30:56,256
if they choose to do so.

4522
02:30:56,256 --> 02:30:57,257
>> so they

4523
02:30:57,257 --> 02:30:59,259
will be served and the whole

4524
02:30:59,259 --> 02:31:03,459
nine yards. Is that kind of how

4525
02:31:05,265 --> 02:31:06,266
that worked ?

4526
02:31:06,266 --> 02:31:07,267
>> if they are cited,

4527
02:31:07,267 --> 02:31:08,268
the citation will have a court date,

4528
02:31:08,268 --> 02:31:09,269
location, everything on it. If they

4529
02:31:09,269 --> 02:31:10,270
are arrested

4530
02:31:10,270 --> 02:31:11,271
they would have a copy of that when

4531
02:31:11,271 --> 02:31:12,272
they left the facility.

4532
02:31:12,272 --> 02:31:13,273
>>

4533
02:31:13,273 --> 02:31:14,274
all right. Do I have a motion?

4534
02:31:14,274 --> 02:31:15,275
>>

4535
02:31:15,275 --> 02:31:17,277
I make a motion to approve.

4536
02:31:17,277 --> 02:31:19,277
>>

4537
02:31:20,280 --> 02:31:21,281
second.

4538
02:31:21,281 --> 02:31:22,282
>> got a motion and a second.

4539
02:31:22,282 --> 02:31:23,283
all

4540
02:31:23,283 --> 02:31:24,284
in favor.

4541
02:31:24,284 --> 02:31:25,285
>> move forward. >> move

4542
02:31:25,285 --> 02:31:26,286
forward.

4543
02:31:26,286 --> 02:31:28,286
>> you. >> that's all

4544
02:31:32,292 --> 02:31:34,292
in favor. It

4545
02:31:35,295 --> 02:31:37,295
is

4546
02:31:38,298 --> 02:31:41,298
an ordinance so I can

4547
02:31:41,301 --> 02:31:43,701
consent the first one,

4548
02:31:44,304 --> 02:31:45,305
all right?

4549
02:31:45,305 --> 02:31:46,306
>> with

4550
02:31:46,306 --> 02:31:47,307
the recommendation of the second,

4551
02:31:47,307 --> 02:31:48,308
to be waived or not?

4552
02:31:48,308 --> 02:31:50,308
>> [

4553
02:31:53,313 --> 02:31:55,313
inaudible ]

4554
02:31:59,319 --> 02:32:00,320
>> no sir. >> consent, no consent?

4555
02:32:00,320 --> 02:32:01,321
>> if you

4556
02:32:01,321 --> 02:32:02,322
want to have consent please show me

4557
02:32:02,322 --> 02:32:03,323
your hands.

4558
02:32:03,323 --> 02:32:04,324
>> four point >> we've

4559
02:32:04,324 --> 02:32:05,259
got

4560
02:32:05,259 --> 02:32:06,260
consent. Just hands, please. All right.

4561
02:32:06,260 --> 02:32:09,860
I keep losing my minutes now.

4562
02:32:11,265 --> 02:32:12,266
all right. Seen nothing further before

4563
02:32:12,266 --> 02:32:14,266
jail, we

4564
02:32:18,272 --> 02:32:20,272
stand adjourned.

4565
02:32:21,275 --> 02:32:23,275
>> [ inaudible ] >>

4566
02:32:24,278 --> 02:32:25,279
nope,

4567
02:32:25,279 --> 02:32:27,281
nope. Economic and community development

4568
02:32:27,281 --> 02:32:28,282
is first.

4569
02:32:28,282 --> 02:32:30,282
>> they

4570
02:32:30,284 --> 02:32:32,284
never have anything.

4571
02:32:36,290 --> 02:32:38,290
>> okay.

4572
02:32:38,292 --> 02:32:40,294
I call the economic community development

4573
02:32:40,294 --> 02:32:41,295
committee to order. The first item

4574
02:32:41,295 --> 02:32:42,296
of business is the regular meeting

4575
02:32:42,296 --> 02:32:43,297
minutes from september

4576
02:32:43,297 --> 02:32:44,298
24th, 2024, and that's because it

4577
02:32:44,298 --> 02:32:46,300
was that far back, that's one without

4578
02:32:46,300 --> 02:32:50,500
revisions. So is there a motion on

4579
02:32:54,308 --> 02:32:56,308
the minutes?

4580
02:33:03,317 --> 02:33:04,318
>>

4581
02:33:04,318 --> 02:33:05,252
motion to approve.

4582
02:33:05,252 --> 02:33:06,253
>> second. >> a

4583
02:33:06,253 --> 02:33:07,254
motion to approve is properly made

4584
02:33:07,254 --> 02:33:08,255
and seconded.

4585
02:33:08,255 --> 02:33:09,256
is there further discussion on the

4586
02:33:09,256 --> 02:33:10,257
minutes? Hearing them, call the question.

4587
02:33:10,257 --> 02:33:11,258
all in

4588
02:33:11,258 --> 02:33:12,259
favor please raise your right hand.

4589
02:33:12,259 --> 02:33:13,260
the motion passes 3-0. Before the

4590
02:33:13,260 --> 02:33:14,261
next item

4591
02:33:14,261 --> 02:33:15,262
I make a disclosure that I am on the

4592
02:33:15,262 --> 02:33:17,662
board of directors for

4593
02:33:21,268 --> 02:33:22,269
visit marietta

4594
02:33:22,269 --> 02:33:24,271
, representing the marietta city council.

4595
02:33:24,271 --> 02:33:25,272
next item of business is the

4596
02:33:25,272 --> 02:33:26,273
extension of the pole banners installations

4597
02:33:26,273 --> 02:33:27,274
for visit marietta.

4598
02:33:27,274 --> 02:33:28,275
>> thank you mr.

4599
02:33:28,275 --> 02:33:29,276
chairman. Back

4600
02:33:29,276 --> 02:33:30,277
in september you approved a request

4601
02:33:30,277 --> 02:33:31,278
for a visit marietta to hang some

4602
02:33:31,278 --> 02:33:33,278
pole banners

4603
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:34,281
up in downtown business

4604
02:33:34,281 --> 02:33:38,481
district. That is set to expire on

4605
02:33:42,289 --> 02:33:44,289
january 31st

4606
02:33:46,293 --> 02:33:48,295
. Brittany gray, the executive director,

4607
02:33:48,295 --> 02:33:49,296
has requested that be extended for

4608
02:33:49,296 --> 02:33:50,297
an

4609
02:33:50,297 --> 02:33:51,298
additional nine months, which would

4610
02:33:51,298 --> 02:33:52,299
take you up to the end of october,

4611
02:33:52,299 --> 02:33:53,300
as I

4612
02:33:53,300 --> 02:33:54,301
recall. And she has a letter of request

4613
02:33:54,301 --> 02:33:55,302
that I attached, email of request,

4614
02:33:55,302 --> 02:33:57,304
to the back of it. I did discuss with

4615
02:33:57,304 --> 02:33:58,305
britney the fact that there are

4616
02:33:58,305 --> 02:34:00,307
other eligible nonprofit groups who

4617
02:34:00,307 --> 02:34:03,907
might wanting to put up a

4618
02:34:06,246 --> 02:34:08,246
banner and

4619
02:34:13,253 --> 02:34:15,255
there is a provision for that to take

4620
02:34:15,255 --> 02:34:16,256
place. So if such a group did make

4621
02:34:16,256 --> 02:34:18,258
an application to you, and you wanted

4622
02:34:18,258 --> 02:34:19,259
to approve that, she's 100% amenable

4623
02:34:19,259 --> 02:34:20,260
to

4624
02:34:20,260 --> 02:34:21,261
her banners coming down for that two

4625
02:34:21,261 --> 02:34:22,262
week or less period and then hers

4626
02:34:22,262 --> 02:34:23,263
could

4627
02:34:23,263 --> 02:34:24,264
be put back up when the others come

4628
02:34:24,264 --> 02:34:25,265
down. So by giving that nine-month

4629
02:34:25,265 --> 02:34:26,266
extension, you would not eliminate

4630
02:34:26,266 --> 02:34:27,267
others from using the banners if they

4631
02:34:27,267 --> 02:34:29,267
were qualified applicant.

4632
02:34:30,270 --> 02:34:33,270
>> is there any discussion for

4633
02:34:36,276 --> 02:34:37,277
a motion? Before we go for a motion,

4634
02:34:37,277 --> 02:34:39,279
I know you made that recommendation

4635
02:34:39,279 --> 02:34:40,280
there. Right now the motion on the

4636
02:34:40,280 --> 02:34:42,280
agenda

4637
02:34:42,282 --> 02:34:44,284
is a straight approval.

4638
02:34:44,284 --> 02:34:45,285
in the recommendation they also included

4639
02:34:45,285 --> 02:34:47,285
the

4640
02:34:51,291 --> 02:34:53,291
language about

4641
02:34:54,294 --> 02:34:55,295
a

4642
02:34:55,295 --> 02:34:57,297
provision for other groups to use

4643
02:34:57,297 --> 02:34:58,298
the polls for an allotted period with

4644
02:34:58,298 --> 02:34:59,299
the

4645
02:34:59,299 --> 02:35:00,300
visit marietta banners to be replaced

4646
02:35:00,300 --> 02:35:01,301
at the conclusion of the allotted

4647
02:35:01,301 --> 02:35:03,301
timeframe.

4648
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:07,241
and without cover of the

4649
02:35:07,241 --> 02:35:09,243
language or need to add anything else

4650
02:35:09,243 --> 02:35:10,244
before the city council meeting, make

4651
02:35:10,244 --> 02:35:11,245
sure its

4652
02:35:11,245 --> 02:35:12,246
approval by city council for that.

4653
02:35:12,246 --> 02:35:14,248
>> that would be good.

4654
02:35:14,248 --> 02:35:15,249
the language in the recommendation,

4655
02:35:15,249 --> 02:35:17,249
yes sir.

4656
02:35:18,252 --> 02:35:20,652
>> so a possible motion

4657
02:35:24,258 --> 02:35:26,258
would be

4658
02:35:35,269 --> 02:35:36,270
, a motion to approve a nine-month

4659
02:35:36,270 --> 02:35:37,271
extension for the visit marietta pole

4660
02:35:37,271 --> 02:35:38,272
banners

4661
02:35:38,272 --> 02:35:39,273
in the downtown area, retroactive to

4662
02:35:39,273 --> 02:35:40,274
february 1st, 2025, with the provision

4663
02:35:40,274 --> 02:35:41,275
for other groups to

4664
02:35:41,275 --> 02:35:42,276
use the polls for an allotted period

4665
02:35:42,276 --> 02:35:43,277
with the visit marietta banners to

4666
02:35:43,277 --> 02:35:44,278
be

4667
02:35:44,278 --> 02:35:45,279
replaced at the conclusion of the

4668
02:35:45,279 --> 02:35:46,280
allotted timeframe. Is there a motion?

4669
02:35:46,280 --> 02:35:47,281
>> motion. >>

4670
02:35:47,281 --> 02:35:48,282
is there a motion to that effect?

4671
02:35:48,282 --> 02:35:50,284
>> I thought you made the motion.

4672
02:35:50,284 --> 02:35:51,285
>> I just looked at the numbers first.

4673
02:35:51,285 --> 02:35:54,288
I can make it if you'd

4674
02:35:54,288 --> 02:35:56,288
like. I

4675
02:35:57,291 --> 02:35:59,293
make that --I so make that

4676
02:35:59,293 --> 02:36:00,294
motion I just stated.

4677
02:36:00,294 --> 02:36:01,295
>> second. >>

4678
02:36:01,295 --> 02:36:02,296
any further discussion?

4679
02:36:02,296 --> 02:36:03,297
>> yes.

4680
02:36:03,297 --> 02:36:05,232
>> I'm for

4681
02:36:05,232 --> 02:36:06,233
it but it's starting to smell like

4682
02:36:06,233 --> 02:36:08,233
this

4683
02:36:09,236 --> 02:36:11,238
is permanent and I like them. I

4684
02:36:11,238 --> 02:36:12,239
like the banners on it. I thought

4685
02:36:12,239 --> 02:36:14,239
we ought

4686
02:36:15,242 --> 02:36:18,245
to maybe look at it just

4687
02:36:18,245 --> 02:36:21,248
be a staff decision. Maybe not

4688
02:36:21,248 --> 02:36:22,249
tonight. Just --

4689
02:36:22,249 --> 02:36:24,249
>>

4690
02:36:27,254 --> 02:36:29,254
direct staff,

4691
02:36:32,259 --> 02:36:33,260
before the next extension, if visit

4692
02:36:33,260 --> 02:36:35,262
marietta plan to continue these

4693
02:36:35,262 --> 02:36:36,263
banners to have that come up at the

4694
02:36:36,263 --> 02:36:38,265
appropriate time in a committee meeting,

4695
02:36:38,265 --> 02:36:39,266
please?

4696
02:36:39,266 --> 02:36:40,267
>> are you thinking that just

4697
02:36:40,267 --> 02:36:41,268
whatever banners go up in the future

4698
02:36:41,268 --> 02:36:42,269
will

4699
02:36:42,269 --> 02:36:43,270
be staff decision or just these particular

4700
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:44,271
items?

4701
02:36:44,271 --> 02:36:45,272
>> we went from no banners

4702
02:36:45,272 --> 02:36:47,272
to approval for

4703
02:36:48,275 --> 02:36:50,277
9 months, very happily extended

4704
02:36:50,277 --> 02:36:51,278
another nine, with other people being

4705
02:36:51,278 --> 02:36:53,278
able to

4706
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:54,281
use it. And I think it's going to

4707
02:36:54,281 --> 02:36:56,281
be

4708
02:36:57,284 --> 02:36:59,284
routine.

4709
02:37:00,287 --> 02:37:02,287
to me

4710
02:37:02,289 --> 02:37:03,290
it's appropriate.

4711
02:37:03,290 --> 02:37:04,291
>> we can still

4712
02:37:04,291 --> 02:37:05,225
draw it that way.

4713
02:37:05,225 --> 02:37:06,226
>>

4714
02:37:06,226 --> 02:37:07,227
not tonight but I'm just [ inaudible

4715
02:37:07,227 --> 02:37:09,227
] to

4716
02:37:09,229 --> 02:37:11,229
see

4717
02:37:11,231 --> 02:37:12,232
because feel the [ inaudible ], we

4718
02:37:12,232 --> 02:37:14,234
don't even know who these other

4719
02:37:14,234 --> 02:37:15,235
people are and we've [ inaudible ].

4720
02:37:15,235 --> 02:37:18,835
>> okay. And for these other people,

4721
02:37:21,241 --> 02:37:23,241
though, we do

4722
02:37:23,243 --> 02:37:24,244
have --at this point it would be approval

4723
02:37:24,244 --> 02:37:26,246
by council for them to put it

4724
02:37:26,246 --> 02:37:27,247
up and take it back down within that

4725
02:37:27,247 --> 02:37:28,248
two week period.

4726
02:37:28,248 --> 02:37:29,249
>> that's what

4727
02:37:29,249 --> 02:37:30,250
I'm suggesting. I'd hate for us to

4728
02:37:30,250 --> 02:37:32,250
have

4729
02:37:36,256 --> 02:37:38,256
26 meetings.

4730
02:37:44,264 --> 02:37:45,265
[ inaudible ] it is almost.

4731
02:37:45,265 --> 02:37:46,266
>> there

4732
02:37:46,266 --> 02:37:47,267
are some requirements in there currently

4733
02:37:47,267 --> 02:37:49,269
on what type of organizations can

4734
02:37:49,269 --> 02:37:51,269
use

4735
02:37:55,275 --> 02:37:57,275
the banners

4736
02:38:01,281 --> 02:38:02,282
and so

4737
02:38:02,282 --> 02:38:04,284
forth. We can go in and refine that

4738
02:38:04,284 --> 02:38:05,219
even more.

4739
02:38:05,219 --> 02:38:06,220
>> it would be a

4740
02:38:06,220 --> 02:38:07,221
nonprofit, so someone who is receiving

4741
02:38:07,221 --> 02:38:08,222
tourism funds from the city. There

4742
02:38:08,222 --> 02:38:09,223
is a

4743
02:38:09,223 --> 02:38:10,224
two week maximum, or less, as were

4744
02:38:10,224 --> 02:38:11,225
approved by the council. And the council

4745
02:38:11,225 --> 02:38:12,226
would

4746
02:38:12,226 --> 02:38:13,227
improve approve the artwork, so that's

4747
02:38:13,227 --> 02:38:14,228
in the existing one point

4748
02:38:14,228 --> 02:38:15,229
>> council

4749
02:38:15,229 --> 02:38:16,230
would or the hpr?

4750
02:38:16,230 --> 02:38:17,231
>> it does not go

4751
02:38:17,231 --> 02:38:18,232
to the hpr now, no.

4752
02:38:18,232 --> 02:38:19,233
>>

4753
02:38:19,233 --> 02:38:20,234
do you think that can be brought up

4754
02:38:20,234 --> 02:38:21,235
at the appropriate time, to the appropriate

4755
02:38:21,235 --> 02:38:22,236
committee? Because I'm not sure if

4756
02:38:22,236 --> 02:38:26,240
that would be ji l or economic

4757
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:27,241
development.

4758
02:38:27,241 --> 02:38:28,242
>> I'm not suggesting

4759
02:38:28,242 --> 02:38:29,243
the [ inaudible ] but I think one

4760
02:38:29,243 --> 02:38:30,244
of

4761
02:38:30,244 --> 02:38:31,245
these days somebody's going to come

4762
02:38:31,245 --> 02:38:32,246
with can we have it for two weeks

4763
02:38:32,246 --> 02:38:33,247
and

4764
02:38:33,247 --> 02:38:34,248
I think it's appropriate.

4765
02:38:34,248 --> 02:38:35,249
>> we have

4766
02:38:35,249 --> 02:38:37,649
had that in the

4767
02:38:39,253 --> 02:38:40,254
past, definitely.

4768
02:38:40,254 --> 02:38:41,255
>> we've had some

4769
02:38:41,255 --> 02:38:42,256
bozo some people

4770
02:38:42,256 --> 02:38:43,257
have talked to me if they are interested,

4771
02:38:43,257 --> 02:38:44,258
perhaps, in a couple of our

4772
02:38:44,258 --> 02:38:45,259
established events which we are approving

4773
02:38:45,259 --> 02:38:46,260
street closures for earlier. They

4774
02:38:46,260 --> 02:38:47,261
may

4775
02:38:47,261 --> 02:38:49,263
come and make that requesting some

4776
02:38:49,263 --> 02:38:50,264
upcoming months.

4777
02:38:50,264 --> 02:38:52,264
>> we should

4778
02:38:52,266 --> 02:38:54,666
have standards about taste

4779
02:38:55,269 --> 02:38:57,269
and everything.

4780
02:38:58,272 --> 02:39:00,672
>> yes sir. >> okay, and

4781
02:39:01,275 --> 02:39:03,277
a motion is currently

4782
02:39:03,277 --> 02:39:04,278
before us, properly made and seconded.

4783
02:39:04,278 --> 02:39:06,278
is there any

4784
02:39:07,214 --> 02:39:09,216
further discussion? I can

4785
02:39:09,216 --> 02:39:10,217
see you. Are you good?

4786
02:39:10,217 --> 02:39:11,218
>> I'm good.

4787
02:39:11,218 --> 02:39:13,218
>> hearing no more

4788
02:39:16,223 --> 02:39:18,223
discussion, call

4789
02:39:18,225 --> 02:39:19,226
the question. All in favor please

4790
02:39:19,226 --> 02:39:20,227
raise your right hand.

4791
02:39:20,227 --> 02:39:24,427
the motion carries 3-0. Is this appropriate

4792
02:39:28,235 --> 02:39:30,235
for consent?

4793
02:39:31,238 --> 02:39:32,239
>> [

4794
02:39:32,239 --> 02:39:33,240
inaudible ].

4795
02:39:33,240 --> 02:39:34,241
>> hearing no objections,

4796
02:39:34,241 --> 02:39:35,242
this is recommended for consent. Is

4797
02:39:35,242 --> 02:39:36,243
there any further

4798
02:39:36,243 --> 02:39:37,244
business to come before the economic

4799
02:39:37,244 --> 02:39:38,245
and community development committee?

4800
02:39:38,245 --> 02:39:40,247
hearing none, this meeting is

4801
02:39:40,247 --> 02:39:42,247
adjourned.

4802
02:39:42,249 --> 02:39:43,250
>> sorry, I messed up. Looked like

4803
02:39:43,250 --> 02:39:45,250
it was shorter.

4804
02:39:49,256 --> 02:39:52,256
>> make a motion to approve

4805
02:39:52,259 --> 02:39:53,260
the revised minutes.

4806
02:39:53,260 --> 02:39:55,260
>>

4807
02:39:55,262 --> 02:39:56,263
second.

4808
02:39:56,263 --> 02:39:58,263
>> second. >>

4809
02:39:58,265 --> 02:40:00,265
all

4810
02:40:01,268 --> 02:40:02,269
in favor.

4811
02:40:02,269 --> 02:40:03,270
>>

4812
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:04,271
mr. Chairman, all I have on the 2016

4813
02:40:04,271 --> 02:40:06,206
is the rotten wood creek trail project

4814
02:40:06,206 --> 02:40:07,207
and we are preparing that project

4815
02:40:07,207 --> 02:40:10,207
to go back out to

4816
02:40:11,211 --> 02:40:13,213
bead at this time and hopefully we'll

4817
02:40:13,213 --> 02:40:15,213
get some better

4818
02:40:16,216 --> 02:40:17,217
numbers. Hopefully.

4819
02:40:17,217 --> 02:40:18,218
>> fingers crossed.

4820
02:40:18,218 --> 02:40:19,219
>>

4821
02:40:19,219 --> 02:40:21,221
that's all I have on the

4822
02:40:21,221 --> 02:40:25,225
2016. I will see if anyone has any

4823
02:40:25,225 --> 02:40:26,226
questions.

4824
02:40:26,226 --> 02:40:28,226
>> [

4825
02:40:28,228 --> 02:40:29,229
inaudible ]

4826
02:40:29,229 --> 02:40:30,230
>>

4827
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:31,231
a few updates. We're going to talk

4828
02:40:31,231 --> 02:40:32,232
about a couple of the projects here,

4829
02:40:32,232 --> 02:40:34,232
thinking

4830
02:40:34,234 --> 02:40:36,236
we can go over the concept

4831
02:40:36,236 --> 02:40:37,237
for brent hickory and polk roundabout,

4832
02:40:37,237 --> 02:40:39,637
that intersection that will

4833
02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:43,240
be coming up as well

4834
02:40:43,243 --> 02:40:44,244
as woodlock drive intersection

4835
02:40:44,244 --> 02:40:46,246
improvements. We will show that one

4836
02:40:46,246 --> 02:40:48,246
as well. A

4837
02:40:49,249 --> 02:40:50,250
couple others. Tower and

4838
02:40:50,250 --> 02:40:51,251
james intersection improvement, that

4839
02:40:51,251 --> 02:40:52,252
project is well underway. The upright

4840
02:40:52,252 --> 02:40:54,252
polls

4841
02:40:55,255 --> 02:40:56,256
have been up, put a.

4842
02:40:56,256 --> 02:40:58,258
they've been working on concrete,

4843
02:40:58,258 --> 02:40:59,259
started concrete work

4844
02:40:59,259 --> 02:41:01,261
this week. They are hoping to get

4845
02:41:01,261 --> 02:41:03,261
the master installed

4846
02:41:03,263 --> 02:41:04,264
this week if the weather continues

4847
02:41:04,264 --> 02:41:06,264
to hold, which

4848
02:41:06,266 --> 02:41:07,267
it looks like it's going to. So they'll

4849
02:41:07,267 --> 02:41:09,267
move toward completion

4850
02:41:10,270 --> 02:41:12,270
very rapidly

4851
02:41:12,272 --> 02:41:13,273
now at this point. Mountain view ridge,

4852
02:41:13,273 --> 02:41:15,275
I told you that I would

4853
02:41:15,275 --> 02:41:16,276
continue to a date you on that so

4854
02:41:16,276 --> 02:41:18,276
we

4855
02:41:19,279 --> 02:41:21,281
are still --we finalized the plan

4856
02:41:21,281 --> 02:41:22,282
modifications of this and we are still

4857
02:41:22,282 --> 02:41:25,285
proceeding to bid this spring with

4858
02:41:25,285 --> 02:41:27,285
estimated construction in

4859
02:41:27,287 --> 02:41:30,887
late summer, late spring, early summer

4860
02:41:31,291 --> 02:41:33,691
for that project, as

4861
02:41:36,296 --> 02:41:37,297
well point mayberry avenue is a sidewalk

4862
02:41:37,297 --> 02:41:39,297
project that was

4863
02:41:40,300 --> 02:41:43,300
using mr. Goldstein --somebody's arpa

4864
02:41:43,303 --> 02:41:45,305
money there so that project now has

4865
02:41:45,305 --> 02:41:48,308
moved to --I said it's underway in

4866
02:41:48,308 --> 02:41:49,309
the up dates there and we moved almost

4867
02:41:49,309 --> 02:41:51,309
2 punchlist items at

4868
02:41:52,312 --> 02:41:53,313
this point.

4869
02:41:53,313 --> 02:41:55,313
>> mr. Chair,

4870
02:41:55,315 --> 02:41:57,715
may I? Budget is

4871
02:41:58,318 --> 02:42:00,318
doing okay

4872
02:42:07,261 --> 02:42:09,263
he'll all arpa funds were used

4873
02:42:09,263 --> 02:42:10,264
at this point?

4874
02:42:10,264 --> 02:42:11,265
>> we've spent every

4875
02:42:11,265 --> 02:42:12,266
last dollar of your arpa money for

4876
02:42:12,266 --> 02:42:13,267
that

4877
02:42:13,267 --> 02:42:14,268
project, you sort.

4878
02:42:14,268 --> 02:42:15,269
>> and the rest

4879
02:42:15,269 --> 02:42:16,270
of it is going out of the council

4880
02:42:16,270 --> 02:42:17,271
sidewalk safety funds?

4881
02:42:17,271 --> 02:42:18,272
>> correct.

4882
02:42:18,272 --> 02:42:19,273
>> thank you. >>

4883
02:42:19,273 --> 02:42:20,274
and east exit trail has been a project

4884
02:42:20,274 --> 02:42:21,275
that's been on my books

4885
02:42:21,275 --> 02:42:22,276
for a while. We've been stating we've

4886
02:42:22,276 --> 02:42:25,276
been waiting on marietta water

4887
02:42:25,279 --> 02:42:27,679
to start their project.

4888
02:42:28,282 --> 02:42:29,283
they have started that

4889
02:42:29,283 --> 02:42:31,285
project now. According to mr. Dewoody,

4890
02:42:31,285 --> 02:42:33,287
that project will run through sometime

4891
02:42:33,287 --> 02:42:34,288
in may. We are looking to try to use

4892
02:42:34,288 --> 02:42:36,288
their contractor

4893
02:42:37,291 --> 02:42:38,292
to potentially --since they're

4894
02:42:38,292 --> 02:42:41,892
already being mobilized, to go ahead

4895
02:42:43,297 --> 02:42:45,299
and move forward with our trail

4896
02:42:45,299 --> 02:42:46,300
project. But we've got to work the

4897
02:42:46,300 --> 02:42:47,301
details out with them to make sure

4898
02:42:47,301 --> 02:42:49,301
that

4899
02:42:49,303 --> 02:42:50,304
they can do that project, so

4900
02:42:50,304 --> 02:42:52,306
we don't lose any momentum there,

4901
02:42:52,306 --> 02:42:53,307
while they're

4902
02:42:53,307 --> 02:42:56,307
already there. Mayor langfield, that

4903
02:42:58,312 --> 02:43:00,312
contractor is

4904
02:43:04,318 --> 02:43:05,252
mobilizing this week. He will

4905
02:43:05,252 --> 02:43:06,253
obviously start construction, if you

4906
02:43:06,253 --> 02:43:07,254
will, but he's mobilizing, getting

4907
02:43:07,254 --> 02:43:09,256
everything ready to go now.

4908
02:43:09,256 --> 02:43:10,257
he will start work, moving dirt next

4909
02:43:10,257 --> 02:43:12,259
week out there on that project. That's

4910
02:43:12,259 --> 02:43:13,260
all I have on the 2022 unless anyone

4911
02:43:13,260 --> 02:43:15,660
has any specific questions.

4912
02:43:19,266 --> 02:43:21,268
>> next item is [ inaudible

4913
02:43:21,268 --> 02:43:22,269
].

4914
02:43:22,269 --> 02:43:23,270
>> before going to that, mr. Chairman,

4915
02:43:23,270 --> 02:43:26,870
mr. Goldstein had sent us some

4916
02:43:27,274 --> 02:43:29,276
information on the governor wanting

4917
02:43:29,276 --> 02:43:30,277
to release some money for

4918
02:43:30,277 --> 02:43:32,279
transportation projects. So we have

4919
02:43:32,279 --> 02:43:34,279
reached

4920
02:43:34,281 --> 02:43:35,282
out, seen some of those qualifications

4921
02:43:35,282 --> 02:43:36,283
for those

4922
02:43:36,283 --> 02:43:38,285
and we are in the process of applying

4923
02:43:38,285 --> 02:43:40,285
for some

4924
02:43:40,287 --> 02:43:41,288
of that money. The include sidewalk

4925
02:43:41,288 --> 02:43:43,288
projects as well

4926
02:43:45,292 --> 02:43:46,293
as streetscape projects and of course

4927
02:43:46,293 --> 02:43:50,297
we have several of those so we are

4928
02:43:50,297 --> 02:43:52,299
in the process of applying

4929
02:43:52,299 --> 02:43:53,300
for some of that. I hate to call it

4930
02:43:53,300 --> 02:43:54,301
freestate money

4931
02:43:54,301 --> 02:43:56,303
but we are in the process of going

4932
02:43:56,303 --> 02:43:57,304
after that money, as well. I just

4933
02:43:57,304 --> 02:43:58,305
wanted to up date mayor and council

4934
02:43:58,305 --> 02:44:02,309
on that, that we are going through

4935
02:44:02,309 --> 02:44:04,309
that process,

4936
02:44:05,245 --> 02:44:07,245
as well

4937
02:44:14,254 --> 02:44:15,255
, for that, as far as going

4938
02:44:15,255 --> 02:44:16,256
to the departmental things. So we

4939
02:44:16,256 --> 02:44:17,257
are pursuing that. The departmental

4940
02:44:17,257 --> 02:44:18,258
activities, you see the

4941
02:44:18,258 --> 02:44:19,259
numbers there. Bettina has already

4942
02:44:19,259 --> 02:44:20,260
kind of talked about the inspection

4943
02:44:20,260 --> 02:44:21,261
numbers, permitting numbers.

4944
02:44:21,261 --> 02:44:22,262
so those are still holding steady.

4945
02:44:22,262 --> 02:44:23,263
all the other activities, even through

4946
02:44:23,263 --> 02:44:24,264
the cold spell

4947
02:44:24,264 --> 02:44:25,265
in the winter weather event we had,

4948
02:44:25,265 --> 02:44:26,266
we still maintained our activities

4949
02:44:26,266 --> 02:44:27,267
for the month

4950
02:44:27,267 --> 02:44:29,269
so we are looking good and I'll be

4951
02:44:29,269 --> 02:44:32,272
happy to answer any questions anyone

4952
02:44:32,272 --> 02:44:34,272
has.

4953
02:44:35,275 --> 02:44:37,275
>> next

4954
02:44:37,277 --> 02:44:38,278
item is the [ inaudible ].

4955
02:44:38,278 --> 02:44:39,279
>> this

4956
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:41,281
is an item we've had on the agenda

4957
02:44:41,281 --> 02:44:42,282
for the last couple of

4958
02:44:42,282 --> 02:44:43,283
committee meetings as we've been working

4959
02:44:43,283 --> 02:44:44,284
through talking to congressman loudermilk's

4960
02:44:44,284 --> 02:44:46,284
office about possibly

4961
02:44:47,287 --> 02:44:50,290
reallocating that money as well as

4962
02:44:50,290 --> 02:44:51,291
having conversations

4963
02:44:51,291 --> 02:44:53,293
with g.about their timeline requirement

4964
02:44:53,293 --> 02:44:55,293
for

4965
02:44:59,299 --> 02:45:00,300
bridge replacement

4966
02:45:00,300 --> 02:45:01,301
. We have had conversations or feedback

4967
02:45:01,301 --> 02:45:02,302
from congressman loudermilk's office

4968
02:45:02,302 --> 02:45:03,303
now. They will

4969
02:45:03,303 --> 02:45:05,239
not allow us to reallocate that money

4970
02:45:05,239 --> 02:45:06,240
toward any other project so it has

4971
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:08,240
to

4972
02:45:11,245 --> 02:45:13,245
be spent

4973
02:45:14,248 --> 02:45:16,250
that if we are going

4974
02:45:16,250 --> 02:45:17,251
to spend it, it has to be spent on

4975
02:45:17,251 --> 02:45:18,252
this particular project. I had a

4976
02:45:18,252 --> 02:45:19,253
conversation yesterday with g.'s chief

4977
02:45:19,253 --> 02:45:20,254
engineer about the timeline because

4978
02:45:20,254 --> 02:45:21,255
there was

4979
02:45:21,255 --> 02:45:23,257
a little bit of miscommunication between

4980
02:45:23,257 --> 02:45:25,257
the congressman's

4981
02:45:29,263 --> 02:45:31,263
office and

4982
02:45:35,269 --> 02:45:36,270
gdot. Somewhere along the line the

4983
02:45:36,270 --> 02:45:37,271
congressman's office was under the

4984
02:45:37,271 --> 02:45:38,272
impression that gdot was amenable

4985
02:45:38,272 --> 02:45:39,273
to allowing us to work

4986
02:45:39,273 --> 02:45:41,275
under our original schedule. A year

4987
02:45:41,275 --> 02:45:42,276
and a half to two years construction

4988
02:45:42,276 --> 02:45:43,277
time.

4989
02:45:43,277 --> 02:45:44,278
that is not true. Gdot is going to

4990
02:45:44,278 --> 02:45:45,279
hold us to that five-year-plus

4991
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:47,281
scheduled to do this project in order

4992
02:45:47,281 --> 02:45:49,283
for us to get

4993
02:45:49,283 --> 02:45:50,284
this money. So we're back to the original

4994
02:45:50,284 --> 02:45:52,284
item

4995
02:45:55,289 --> 02:45:56,290
before you. You have two options here

4996
02:45:56,290 --> 02:45:58,292
for this project. You can

4997
02:45:58,292 --> 02:46:01,292
accept the money from congressman

4998
02:46:05,232 --> 02:46:06,233
loudermilk's office, with

4999
02:46:06,233 --> 02:46:07,234
the understanding that we are under

5000
02:46:07,234 --> 02:46:08,235
gdot's timeline for construction.

5001
02:46:08,235 --> 02:46:11,235
which means five to seven

5002
02:46:11,238 --> 02:46:12,239
year construction window, which means

5003
02:46:12,239 --> 02:46:14,241
money that we will receive from the

5004
02:46:14,241 --> 02:46:15,242
congressman's

5005
02:46:15,242 --> 02:46:17,244
office, we will spend at least that

5006
02:46:17,244 --> 02:46:18,245
much money by the time we actually

5007
02:46:18,245 --> 02:46:19,246
get

5008
02:46:19,246 --> 02:46:20,247
to construction, just due to inflation.

5009
02:46:20,247 --> 02:46:23,247
or we do not have

5010
02:46:25,252 --> 02:46:26,253
to accept the money from the congressman's

5011
02:46:26,253 --> 02:46:27,254
office, and we will move forward with

5012
02:46:27,254 --> 02:46:29,254
our

5013
02:46:29,256 --> 02:46:31,256
own construction timeline

5014
02:46:32,259 --> 02:46:34,259
and reallocate

5015
02:46:35,262 --> 02:46:36,263
money. We already have bridge replacement

5016
02:46:36,263 --> 02:46:37,264
money in

5017
02:46:37,264 --> 02:46:38,265
the current spl ost. We'll have to

5018
02:46:38,265 --> 02:46:39,266
move some other money around to get

5019
02:46:39,266 --> 02:46:40,267
the

5020
02:46:40,267 --> 02:46:41,268
current, cover everything. We'll be

5021
02:46:41,268 --> 02:46:43,668
a little short but

5022
02:46:44,271 --> 02:46:46,271
not everything and

5023
02:46:46,273 --> 02:46:47,274
then we'll be able to get this project

5024
02:46:47,274 --> 02:46:48,275
completed right after the world cup,

5025
02:46:48,275 --> 02:46:50,275
which

5026
02:46:50,277 --> 02:46:52,277
is about 18 months

5027
02:46:53,280 --> 02:46:54,281
timeframe. So --and save us a considerable

5028
02:46:54,281 --> 02:46:55,282
amount

5029
02:46:55,282 --> 02:46:57,284
of money. So those are the options

5030
02:46:57,284 --> 02:46:59,286
before this committee and mayor and

5031
02:46:59,286 --> 02:47:00,287
council at this point.

5032
02:47:00,287 --> 02:47:01,288
>> they say

5033
02:47:01,288 --> 02:47:02,289
that

5034
02:47:02,289 --> 02:47:03,290
we can't do it, finish early.

5035
02:47:03,290 --> 02:47:04,291
>> no

5036
02:47:04,291 --> 02:47:05,225
sir.

5037
02:47:05,225 --> 02:47:07,225
if

5038
02:47:08,228 --> 02:47:09,229
we take the money --

5039
02:47:09,229 --> 02:47:10,230
>> they distribute

5040
02:47:10,230 --> 02:47:11,231
the

5041
02:47:11,231 --> 02:47:12,232
$750,000 over five years and if we

5042
02:47:12,232 --> 02:47:13,233
finish it in two years you get

5043
02:47:13,233 --> 02:47:14,234
that prorated?

5044
02:47:14,234 --> 02:47:15,235
>> if we do this and

5045
02:47:15,235 --> 02:47:17,237
we take the money,

5046
02:47:17,237 --> 02:47:19,237
we

5047
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:22,240
are under

5048
02:47:31,251 --> 02:47:32,252
gdot's control at that point for this

5049
02:47:32,252 --> 02:47:34,254
project. Gdot will distribute the

5050
02:47:34,254 --> 02:47:35,255
money. Gdot will manage the project.

5051
02:47:35,255 --> 02:47:36,256
gdot will assign a contractor. It's

5052
02:47:36,256 --> 02:47:37,257
basically

5053
02:47:37,257 --> 02:47:38,258
gdot's project. We have no control

5054
02:47:38,258 --> 02:47:39,259
over it at that point.

5055
02:47:39,259 --> 02:47:40,260
>> [ inaudible

5056
02:47:40,260 --> 02:47:41,261
].

5057
02:47:41,261 --> 02:47:42,262
>>

5058
02:47:42,262 --> 02:47:43,263
and sorry, mr. Chair, may I? With

5059
02:47:43,263 --> 02:47:44,264
regard to some of the gdot

5060
02:47:44,264 --> 02:47:45,265
stuff, they are also being hamstrung,

5061
02:47:45,265 --> 02:47:46,266
I think, by the federal

5062
02:47:46,266 --> 02:47:47,267
highway authority's regulations. And

5063
02:47:47,267 --> 02:47:50,270
that's I think what they said

5064
02:47:50,270 --> 02:47:52,272
is the main cause for

5065
02:47:52,272 --> 02:47:53,273
the five-year [ inaudible ].

5066
02:47:53,273 --> 02:47:54,274
>> that

5067
02:47:54,274 --> 02:47:56,274
is what gdot

5068
02:47:59,279 --> 02:48:00,280
says . Some of

5069
02:48:00,280 --> 02:48:02,282
that mystification, I think, going

5070
02:48:02,282 --> 02:48:03,283
back and forth. I don't know that

5071
02:48:03,283 --> 02:48:04,284
I totally believe

5072
02:48:04,284 --> 02:48:05,219
that total requirements on that but

5073
02:48:05,219 --> 02:48:06,220
that's what gdot is telling us. Yes,

5074
02:48:06,220 --> 02:48:08,220
that's

5075
02:48:08,222 --> 02:48:10,224
where they're getting that requirement.

5076
02:48:10,224 --> 02:48:11,225
so anyways, it doesn't matter where

5077
02:48:11,225 --> 02:48:12,226
they are getting it. They're going

5078
02:48:12,226 --> 02:48:13,227
to

5079
02:48:13,227 --> 02:48:14,228
hold us to it. If we take that money

5080
02:48:14,228 --> 02:48:17,231
we are under their control at

5081
02:48:17,231 --> 02:48:18,232
that point for this project. It's

5082
02:48:18,232 --> 02:48:19,233
a

5083
02:48:19,233 --> 02:48:20,234
minimum of five years and we will

5084
02:48:20,234 --> 02:48:22,634
--whatever that end up

5085
02:48:23,237 --> 02:48:25,239
construction cost is, based on

5086
02:48:25,239 --> 02:48:26,240
our estimates right now with construction

5087
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:28,240
dollars,

5088
02:48:29,243 --> 02:48:32,243
my estimate, we will spend

5089
02:48:34,248 --> 02:48:35,249
at least $4 million by the time we

5090
02:48:35,249 --> 02:48:36,250
actually get to construction, based

5091
02:48:36,250 --> 02:48:38,250
on

5092
02:48:38,252 --> 02:48:40,652
inflation and where construction

5093
02:48:41,255 --> 02:48:42,256
costs are.

5094
02:48:42,256 --> 02:48:43,257
>> we are so much better

5095
02:48:43,257 --> 02:48:44,258
to

5096
02:48:44,258 --> 02:48:45,259
do it right now.

5097
02:48:45,259 --> 02:48:46,260
>> that is my opinion,

5098
02:48:46,260 --> 02:48:47,261
yes sir.

5099
02:48:47,261 --> 02:48:48,262
>> I asked

5100
02:48:48,262 --> 02:48:52,462
for one more moonshot on this one.

5101
02:48:54,268 --> 02:48:55,269
is there anyway --at this

5102
02:48:55,269 --> 02:48:57,271
point it's hard to justify taking

5103
02:48:57,271 --> 02:48:59,273
the funds if we have

5104
02:48:59,273 --> 02:49:00,274
that five-year is that basically adds

5105
02:49:00,274 --> 02:49:02,274
$4 million, the exact

5106
02:49:06,213 --> 02:49:08,213
same amount

5107
02:49:09,216 --> 02:49:10,217
we had

5108
02:49:10,217 --> 02:49:12,219
been getting for it so it still cost

5109
02:49:12,219 --> 02:49:13,220
us the same amount and just

5110
02:49:13,220 --> 02:49:14,221
take longer. Costs us essentially

5111
02:49:14,221 --> 02:49:15,222
the same amount in just take longer.

5112
02:49:15,222 --> 02:49:16,223
I want to ask

5113
02:49:16,223 --> 02:49:18,225
if there is any way between now and

5114
02:49:18,225 --> 02:49:19,226
the work session, we can get

5115
02:49:19,226 --> 02:49:20,227
someone from congressman loudermilk's

5116
02:49:20,227 --> 02:49:21,228
office, someone from gdot, on the

5117
02:49:21,228 --> 02:49:23,628
same call with you,

5118
02:49:25,232 --> 02:49:27,234
and just see if we can talk and figure

5119
02:49:27,234 --> 02:49:29,234
out where this

5120
02:49:29,236 --> 02:49:30,237
miscommunication is, why are we getting

5121
02:49:30,237 --> 02:49:31,238
two different

5122
02:49:31,238 --> 02:49:36,380
messages on this, and see if we can

5123
02:49:39,246 --> 02:49:41,246
get this

5124
02:49:45,252 --> 02:49:46,253
hashed out hopefully in a

5125
02:49:46,253 --> 02:49:47,254
favorable position for the city on

5126
02:49:47,254 --> 02:49:48,255
that.

5127
02:49:48,255 --> 02:49:49,256
>> I'd like to keep them on

5128
02:49:49,256 --> 02:49:50,257
the same page.

5129
02:49:50,257 --> 02:49:51,258
>> I'm happy to put

5130
02:49:51,258 --> 02:49:52,259
them on the same call but I've

5131
02:49:52,259 --> 02:49:53,260
gotten the same email from the two

5132
02:49:53,260 --> 02:49:54,261
individuals, one from the congressman's

5133
02:49:54,261 --> 02:49:55,262
office, one from

5134
02:49:55,262 --> 02:49:57,264
gdot, that says everything I just

5135
02:49:57,264 --> 02:49:58,265
told you.

5136
02:49:58,265 --> 02:49:59,266
>> okay, so they are

5137
02:49:59,266 --> 02:50:00,267
now on the same page.

5138
02:50:00,267 --> 02:50:01,268
>> yes. >> so

5139
02:50:01,268 --> 02:50:02,269
let's think.

5140
02:50:02,269 --> 02:50:04,269
>> [

5141
02:50:05,205 --> 02:50:06,206
inaudible ] ?

5142
02:50:06,206 --> 02:50:07,207
>> the appropriation

5143
02:50:07,207 --> 02:50:08,208
from the

5144
02:50:08,208 --> 02:50:10,608
congressman's office is $4 million.

5145
02:50:12,212 --> 02:50:13,213
>> yeah. >> we are estimating this

5146
02:50:13,213 --> 02:50:15,213
project

5147
02:50:15,215 --> 02:50:16,216
to be about $6 million total. We

5148
02:50:16,216 --> 02:50:18,218
have almost $4 million allocated in

5149
02:50:18,218 --> 02:50:20,218
the

5150
02:50:21,221 --> 02:50:22,222
current law so we

5151
02:50:22,222 --> 02:50:23,223
have to come up with another couple

5152
02:50:23,223 --> 02:50:26,226
million dollars to do the project,

5153
02:50:26,226 --> 02:50:27,227
which again, save that amount of money

5154
02:50:27,227 --> 02:50:29,627
being able to do

5155
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:31,231
it on our time schedule, that's a

5156
02:50:31,231 --> 02:50:33,233
savings in the end run versus trying

5157
02:50:33,233 --> 02:50:35,233
to

5158
02:50:36,236 --> 02:50:38,636
wait because it will

5159
02:50:39,239 --> 02:50:41,239
cost us

5160
02:50:42,242 --> 02:50:44,244
. It will cost us every

5161
02:50:44,244 --> 02:50:45,245
bit of that $4 million by the time

5162
02:50:45,245 --> 02:50:47,247
we get to get, in at

5163
02:50:47,247 --> 02:50:48,248
least five years.

5164
02:50:48,248 --> 02:50:49,249
>> and I get an

5165
02:50:49,249 --> 02:50:51,249
idea [

5166
02:50:51,251 --> 02:50:52,252
inaudible ]?

5167
02:50:52,252 --> 02:50:54,252
>> is there more

5168
02:50:54,254 --> 02:50:56,254
to it [

5169
02:50:57,257 --> 02:50:59,257
inaudible ]?

5170
02:51:00,260 --> 02:51:01,261
>> it's

5171
02:51:01,261 --> 02:51:02,262
all on the money.

5172
02:51:02,262 --> 02:51:03,263
>> it's hard for

5173
02:51:03,263 --> 02:51:04,264
me to justify taking an additional

5174
02:51:04,264 --> 02:51:05,265
five years and

5175
02:51:05,265 --> 02:51:06,266
it costing us more, yeah.

5176
02:51:06,266 --> 02:51:07,267
>> the $4

5177
02:51:07,267 --> 02:51:09,267
million we

5178
02:51:09,269 --> 02:51:11,271
would save, we could put in

5179
02:51:11,271 --> 02:51:14,871
another project that the same day

5180
02:51:18,278 --> 02:51:20,278
would happen.

5181
02:51:24,284 --> 02:51:26,284
whatever of the

5182
02:51:26,286 --> 02:51:27,287
4 million projects out there, if you

5183
02:51:27,287 --> 02:51:28,288
wait five years it's going to cost

5184
02:51:28,288 --> 02:51:29,289
you $6.5 million anyway.

5185
02:51:29,289 --> 02:51:30,290
>> that's

5186
02:51:30,290 --> 02:51:31,291
correct.

5187
02:51:31,291 --> 02:51:32,292
>> so you mitigate it by

5188
02:51:32,292 --> 02:51:33,293
spending

5189
02:51:33,293 --> 02:51:34,294
the money, just on a different project.

5190
02:51:34,294 --> 02:51:35,295
>> that's correct. That's a very good

5191
02:51:35,295 --> 02:51:36,296
point,

5192
02:51:36,296 --> 02:51:37,297
mr. Maher. If we save that money now

5193
02:51:37,297 --> 02:51:39,299
and do the project now then

5194
02:51:39,299 --> 02:51:41,299
that

5195
02:51:42,302 --> 02:51:43,303
would be money,

5196
02:51:43,303 --> 02:51:45,305
that instead of spending it later

5197
02:51:45,305 --> 02:51:46,306
on, we'd be able to focus that money

5198
02:51:46,306 --> 02:51:48,306
somewhere

5199
02:51:48,308 --> 02:51:49,309
else, on another project, and

5200
02:51:49,309 --> 02:51:50,310
spend it.

5201
02:51:50,310 --> 02:51:51,311
>> that's why I'm saying

5202
02:51:51,311 --> 02:51:54,314
I agree on that. It's hard

5203
02:51:54,314 --> 02:51:56,316
to justify taking this with

5204
02:51:56,316 --> 02:51:57,317
the amount of time it would take in

5205
02:51:57,317 --> 02:52:00,320
the amount of cost it would

5206
02:52:00,320 --> 02:52:01,321
be.

5207
02:52:01,321 --> 02:52:03,321
>> it's the

5208
02:52:03,323 --> 02:52:05,323
same principle that

5209
02:52:06,260 --> 02:52:08,260
[ inaudible ]

5210
02:52:09,263 --> 02:52:11,263
>> correct. >> what's

5211
02:52:12,266 --> 02:52:15,269
the bridge rated at right now?

5212
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:16,270
>>

5213
02:52:16,270 --> 02:52:18,272
the bridge --excuse me, the bridge

5214
02:52:18,272 --> 02:52:20,272
is safe.

5215
02:52:21,275 --> 02:52:22,276
gdot --when gdot came out and did

5216
02:52:22,276 --> 02:52:24,276
their

5217
02:52:24,278 --> 02:52:25,279
assessment, it did not meet their

5218
02:52:25,279 --> 02:52:26,280
requirements.

5219
02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:27,281
since that time, we have made improvements

5220
02:52:27,281 --> 02:52:30,281
and it is safe that

5221
02:52:30,284 --> 02:52:32,284
this point.

5222
02:52:33,287 --> 02:52:36,290
but we still want to go

5223
02:52:36,290 --> 02:52:37,291
ahead and replace it, to make sure

5224
02:52:37,291 --> 02:52:38,292
that it fully

5225
02:52:38,292 --> 02:52:41,292
meets their requirements and everything

5226
02:52:42,296 --> 02:52:44,296
is done.

5227
02:52:45,299 --> 02:52:46,300
plus, it would allow us

5228
02:52:46,300 --> 02:52:48,302
to improve some other safety improvements.

5229
02:52:48,302 --> 02:52:49,303
we've had some other accidents and

5230
02:52:49,303 --> 02:52:51,303
other things in

5231
02:52:53,307 --> 02:52:54,308
that area plus with the trail coming

5232
02:52:54,308 --> 02:52:56,310
in, it would allow us to go ahead

5233
02:52:56,310 --> 02:52:57,311
and finish off a lot of things that

5234
02:52:57,311 --> 02:52:58,312
we need to do.

5235
02:52:58,312 --> 02:52:59,313
>>

5236
02:52:59,313 --> 02:53:00,314
the one other thing I would suggest,

5237
02:53:00,314 --> 02:53:03,314
then, is we know the

5238
02:53:06,253 --> 02:53:08,253
reason why

5239
02:53:08,255 --> 02:53:09,256
this doesn't work in this case. We

5240
02:53:09,256 --> 02:53:10,257
need to express that

5241
02:53:10,257 --> 02:53:12,259
to the congressman's office as best

5242
02:53:12,259 --> 02:53:14,261
we can and hopefully we take a look

5243
02:53:14,261 --> 02:53:15,262
to see if we can get them to take

5244
02:53:15,262 --> 02:53:17,264
a look at doing changes by

5245
02:53:17,264 --> 02:53:18,265
that federal level or whatever the

5246
02:53:18,265 --> 02:53:19,266
appropriate level is so that if we

5247
02:53:19,266 --> 02:53:20,267
try

5248
02:53:20,267 --> 02:53:21,268
and do a different project going forward,

5249
02:53:21,268 --> 02:53:23,268
or some other

5250
02:53:23,270 --> 02:53:24,271
city does, they don't have the same

5251
02:53:24,271 --> 02:53:26,273
issue we just ran into. That

5252
02:53:26,273 --> 02:53:27,274
does need to be discussed at some

5253
02:53:27,274 --> 02:53:29,274
point.

5254
02:53:33,280 --> 02:53:35,280
>> discussing

5255
02:53:36,283 --> 02:53:37,284
with ashley

5256
02:53:37,284 --> 02:53:39,286
from the congressman's office, I think

5257
02:53:39,286 --> 02:53:40,287
she is fully aware and understanding

5258
02:53:40,287 --> 02:53:41,288
now that this

5259
02:53:41,288 --> 02:53:42,289
is an issue that's going to have to

5260
02:53:42,289 --> 02:53:44,291
be addressed and corrected at the

5261
02:53:44,291 --> 02:53:45,292
federal level to make sure these issues

5262
02:53:45,292 --> 02:53:47,292
don't happen

5263
02:53:47,294 --> 02:53:48,295
again but going forward, if the council

5264
02:53:48,295 --> 02:53:49,296
chooses to go this direction then

5265
02:53:49,296 --> 02:53:51,298
we'll make sure that she understands,

5266
02:53:51,298 --> 02:53:52,299
or if the congressman's office understands

5267
02:53:52,299 --> 02:53:53,300
why we are

5268
02:53:53,300 --> 02:53:54,301
having to go this route.

5269
02:53:54,301 --> 02:53:55,302
>> would

5270
02:53:55,302 --> 02:53:58,305
we have any luck with the newer

5271
02:53:58,305 --> 02:54:00,307
administration and their wanting to

5272
02:54:00,307 --> 02:54:03,307
do away with some of

5273
02:54:05,245 --> 02:54:06,246
the regulations? That's just pie in

5274
02:54:06,246 --> 02:54:07,247
the sky?

5275
02:54:07,247 --> 02:54:08,248
>> that's a difficult question

5276
02:54:08,248 --> 02:54:09,249
to

5277
02:54:09,249 --> 02:54:11,249
answer at

5278
02:54:12,252 --> 02:54:14,252
this point.

5279
02:54:14,254 --> 02:54:15,255
I guess if we had --

5280
02:54:15,255 --> 02:54:16,256
>> one week in

5281
02:54:16,256 --> 02:54:17,257
office.

5282
02:54:17,257 --> 02:54:18,258
>> I guess we

5283
02:54:18,258 --> 02:54:19,259
had enough time to wait it out, then

5284
02:54:19,259 --> 02:54:21,261
that's a possibility. The problem

5285
02:54:21,261 --> 02:54:24,261
is g.wants an answer

5286
02:54:25,265 --> 02:54:27,265
now on

5287
02:54:28,268 --> 02:54:29,269
this so

5288
02:54:29,269 --> 02:54:30,270
the buddha

5289
02:54:30,270 --> 02:54:31,271
>> it would be our lobbyists

5290
02:54:31,271 --> 02:54:33,271
to

5291
02:54:37,277 --> 02:54:38,278
do that, gma?

5292
02:54:38,278 --> 02:54:39,279
>> this would be

5293
02:54:39,279 --> 02:54:40,280
a combination of gma and lc at this

5294
02:54:40,280 --> 02:54:42,280
point.

5295
02:54:43,283 --> 02:54:44,284
I could bring it up to

5296
02:54:44,284 --> 02:54:46,286
britney colder with and lc. She's

5297
02:54:46,286 --> 02:54:48,286
the transportation

5298
02:54:50,290 --> 02:54:51,291
policy person. It's and lc to talk

5299
02:54:51,291 --> 02:54:53,293
about these issues .4 gma it would

5300
02:54:53,293 --> 02:54:54,294
be claire chan. She's the federal

5301
02:54:54,294 --> 02:54:55,295
person. I'm also on the federal policy

5302
02:54:55,295 --> 02:54:57,295
committee

5303
02:54:58,298 --> 02:55:01,298
so I'll make sure to

5304
02:55:01,301 --> 02:55:02,302
get that to her.

5305
02:55:02,302 --> 02:55:04,304
>> more on their plate right now they

5306
02:55:04,304 --> 02:55:05,239
us.

5307
02:55:05,239 --> 02:55:07,241
>> I think my opinion is

5308
02:55:07,241 --> 02:55:09,241
definitely worth

5309
02:55:10,244 --> 02:55:12,244
pursuing and

5310
02:55:16,250 --> 02:55:17,251
if this

5311
02:55:17,251 --> 02:55:19,253
is a way the council wants to go,

5312
02:55:19,253 --> 02:55:20,254
and allow us to go ahead and

5313
02:55:20,254 --> 02:55:22,256
move forward with it, if it does change

5314
02:55:22,256 --> 02:55:23,257
later on, then if we do get

5315
02:55:23,257 --> 02:55:24,258
additional money, if it changes, then

5316
02:55:24,258 --> 02:55:25,259
we could always go back and apply

5317
02:55:25,259 --> 02:55:26,260
it

5318
02:55:26,260 --> 02:55:27,261
toward the project at whatever stage

5319
02:55:27,261 --> 02:55:28,262
we are in and it will definitely help

5320
02:55:28,262 --> 02:55:29,263
free

5321
02:55:29,263 --> 02:55:30,264
up wherever we are at.

5322
02:55:30,264 --> 02:55:31,265
>> one month

5323
02:55:31,265 --> 02:55:32,266
to score this would be prudent?

5324
02:55:32,266 --> 02:55:33,267
>> if that's the council's wishes,

5325
02:55:33,267 --> 02:55:34,268
we can. If that's council's wishes.

5326
02:55:34,268 --> 02:55:35,269
>>

5327
02:55:35,269 --> 02:55:37,269
at

5328
02:55:40,274 --> 02:55:42,274
these dry

5329
02:55:43,277 --> 02:55:44,278
.

5330
02:55:44,278 --> 02:55:45,279
>> they could actually move it

5331
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:46,280
to the work session to at least keep

5332
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:47,281
it on a thing, keep it

5333
02:55:47,281 --> 02:55:49,283
on an agenda to talk about, and if

5334
02:55:49,283 --> 02:55:52,286
it doesn't get worked out by then,

5335
02:55:52,286 --> 02:55:54,686
we can always then

5336
02:55:55,289 --> 02:55:56,290
shift it back to the committee schedule

5337
02:55:56,290 --> 02:55:58,292
or move it forward to council to take

5338
02:55:58,292 --> 02:55:59,293
the appropriate action.

5339
02:55:59,293 --> 02:56:00,294
>> if they

5340
02:56:00,294 --> 02:56:01,295
say no way --

5341
02:56:01,295 --> 02:56:02,296
>> I say make a motion

5342
02:56:02,296 --> 02:56:03,297
to move this towards

5343
02:56:03,297 --> 02:56:04,298
the agenda work session so we can

5344
02:56:04,298 --> 02:56:06,698
get that progressive update.

5345
02:56:07,234 --> 02:56:09,234
>> second? >>

5346
02:56:13,240 --> 02:56:15,240
next item.

5347
02:56:22,249 --> 02:56:23,250
>> I'm sorry. We received

5348
02:56:23,250 --> 02:56:25,252
a request for traffic calming on ayers

5349
02:56:25,252 --> 02:56:27,252
avenue from

5350
02:56:30,257 --> 02:56:31,258
warren street to tyler street so we want

5351
02:56:31,258 --> 02:56:32,259
to do a

5352
02:56:32,259 --> 02:56:34,261
speed study in this area just to determine

5353
02:56:34,261 --> 02:56:35,262
if traffic calming devices are needed.

5354
02:56:35,262 --> 02:56:36,263
aires

5355
02:56:36,263 --> 02:56:37,264
avenue from lawrence to tolliver is

5356
02:56:37,264 --> 02:56:38,265
approximately 173 feet in length.

5357
02:56:38,265 --> 02:56:39,266
does

5358
02:56:39,266 --> 02:56:40,267
have a variable right-of-way between

5359
02:56:40,267 --> 02:56:42,267
30 feet and

5360
02:56:43,270 --> 02:56:46,270
40 feet. This section does have

5361
02:56:46,273 --> 02:56:47,274
a

5362
02:56:47,274 --> 02:56:49,276
current posted speed limit of 30 miles

5363
02:56:49,276 --> 02:56:50,277
an hour. It is considered a residential

5364
02:56:50,277 --> 02:56:51,278
street

5365
02:56:51,278 --> 02:56:52,279
and is located in ward one a. We would

5366
02:56:52,279 --> 02:56:53,280
recommend proceeding with a proper

5367
02:56:53,280 --> 02:56:55,282
setting of the speed limit at 25 miles

5368
02:56:55,282 --> 02:56:56,283
an hour

5369
02:56:56,283 --> 02:56:57,284
once the speed study has been completed.

5370
02:56:57,284 --> 02:56:58,285
we would recommend moving forward

5371
02:56:58,285 --> 02:57:00,285
with the

5372
02:57:04,291 --> 02:57:06,291
speed study.

5373
02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:12,232
>> didn't we just do a speed study

5374
02:57:12,232 --> 02:57:13,233
on ayers?

5375
02:57:13,233 --> 02:57:14,234
>> not on ayers. We've done

5376
02:57:14,234 --> 02:57:15,235
several of those surrounding streets

5377
02:57:15,235 --> 02:57:16,236
but

5378
02:57:16,236 --> 02:57:17,237
we've not done ayers.

5379
02:57:17,237 --> 02:57:18,238
>> I thought

5380
02:57:18,238 --> 02:57:19,239
we did ayers when we put in that

5381
02:57:19,239 --> 02:57:20,240
three way stop sign because of the

5382
02:57:20,240 --> 02:57:21,241
buses.

5383
02:57:21,241 --> 02:57:22,242
>> no ma'am. >> I make a

5384
02:57:22,242 --> 02:57:23,243
motion to approve the ayers speed

5385
02:57:23,243 --> 02:57:24,244
study.

5386
02:57:24,244 --> 02:57:25,245
>> I'm with that setting of

5387
02:57:25,245 --> 02:57:26,246
the

5388
02:57:26,246 --> 02:57:27,247
speed limit.

5389
02:57:27,247 --> 02:57:28,248
>> that's our normal

5390
02:57:28,248 --> 02:57:29,249
thing.

5391
02:57:29,249 --> 02:57:31,249
>>

5392
02:57:31,251 --> 02:57:33,251
our second.

5393
02:57:33,253 --> 02:57:35,653
>> seconded. >> yeah, second. >> all

5394
02:57:40,260 --> 02:57:42,260
in favor?

5395
02:57:43,263 --> 02:57:44,264
>> is that okay for consent? >> no

5396
02:57:44,264 --> 02:57:46,264
objection to consent.

5397
02:57:46,266 --> 02:57:48,266
>> no objection. >> consent.

5398
02:57:52,272 --> 02:57:54,272
>> consent.

5399
02:57:57,277 --> 02:57:58,278
>> our building inspections vision

5400
02:57:58,278 --> 02:57:59,279
and planning and zoning department

5401
02:57:59,279 --> 02:58:00,280
have discovered

5402
02:58:00,280 --> 02:58:01,281
some discrepancies between code sections

5403
02:58:01,281 --> 02:58:02,282
and personal response abilities when

5404
02:58:02,282 --> 02:58:04,282
it

5405
02:58:07,221 --> 02:58:09,221
comes to

5406
02:58:17,231 --> 02:58:18,232
some duplication of efforts between

5407
02:58:18,232 --> 02:58:19,233
the departments for condemnation of

5408
02:58:19,233 --> 02:58:21,235
unsafe structures and systems. It

5409
02:58:21,235 --> 02:58:22,236
is stated in section 718.01 that the

5410
02:58:22,236 --> 02:58:23,237
director of development services shall

5411
02:58:23,237 --> 02:58:24,238
order the discontinuance

5412
02:58:24,238 --> 02:58:25,239
of any illegal work being done without

5413
02:58:25,239 --> 02:58:26,240
defining the extent of this illegal

5414
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:27,241
work.

5415
02:58:27,241 --> 02:58:28,242
I have spoken to the director of development

5416
02:58:28,242 --> 02:58:29,243
services, the fire chief, and it

5417
02:58:29,243 --> 02:58:31,245
is our recommendation that all determinations

5418
02:58:31,245 --> 02:58:32,246
of unsafe structures and systems be

5419
02:58:32,246 --> 02:58:34,246
performed by the

5420
02:58:34,248 --> 02:58:37,248
chief voting official or his

5421
02:58:40,254 --> 02:58:42,254
or her

5422
02:58:46,260 --> 02:58:47,261
designee. This is due to the stringent

5423
02:58:47,261 --> 02:58:48,262
certification and training

5424
02:58:48,262 --> 02:58:49,263
requirements for the building inspectors

5425
02:58:49,263 --> 02:58:50,264
who can make these determinations

5426
02:58:50,264 --> 02:58:51,265
based upon the applicable

5427
02:58:51,265 --> 02:58:52,266
construction codes. So in order to

5428
02:58:52,266 --> 02:58:53,267
clear up these discrepancies, the

5429
02:58:53,267 --> 02:58:54,268
following amendment is

5430
02:58:54,268 --> 02:58:55,269
being proposed, section 7-4-2-0 40,

5431
02:58:55,269 --> 02:58:57,271
section e, entitled powers and

5432
02:58:57,271 --> 02:58:58,272
duties of the building official, by

5433
02:58:58,272 --> 02:59:00,672
adding this paragraph to

5434
02:59:01,275 --> 02:59:03,275
this

5435
02:59:03,277 --> 02:59:04,278
section stating all such unsafe building

5436
02:59:04,278 --> 02:59:05,212
structures or service systems are

5437
02:59:05,212 --> 02:59:06,213
hereby declared

5438
02:59:06,213 --> 02:59:08,215
illegal, shelby properly placarded

5439
02:59:08,215 --> 02:59:11,215
and shall be aided by

5440
02:59:11,218 --> 02:59:13,618
repair and rehabilitation or

5441
02:59:14,221 --> 02:59:16,221
by demolition

5442
02:59:19,226 --> 02:59:20,227
in accordance with the provisions

5443
02:59:20,227 --> 02:59:21,228
of

5444
02:59:21,228 --> 02:59:22,229
the applicable construction code as

5445
02:59:22,229 --> 02:59:23,230
determined by the chief building official.

5446
02:59:23,230 --> 02:59:24,231
if this is

5447
02:59:24,231 --> 02:59:25,232
approved this will require two public

5448
02:59:25,232 --> 02:59:26,233
readings as approved and adopted.

5449
02:59:26,233 --> 02:59:28,233
>> may I? >>

5450
02:59:29,236 --> 02:59:30,237
yes.

5451
02:59:30,237 --> 02:59:32,237
>> for

5452
02:59:32,239 --> 02:59:34,239
the determination

5453
02:59:37,244 --> 02:59:38,245
--when you talk about the termination

5454
02:59:38,245 --> 02:59:39,246
you're talking

5455
02:59:39,246 --> 02:59:40,247
about the termination of where it

5456
02:59:40,247 --> 02:59:41,248
is supposed to be repaired and rehabilitated

5457
02:59:41,248 --> 02:59:42,249
or

5458
02:59:42,249 --> 02:59:43,250
demolished, or are you talking determination

5459
02:59:43,250 --> 02:59:44,251
of whether it's unsafe?

5460
02:59:44,251 --> 02:59:45,252
>> it's unsafe.

5461
02:59:45,252 --> 02:59:46,253
>> right

5462
02:59:46,253 --> 02:59:47,254
now the way the thing reads, it looks

5463
02:59:47,254 --> 02:59:48,255
like that determination is not about

5464
02:59:48,255 --> 02:59:49,256
the unsafe part. It's about whether

5465
02:59:49,256 --> 02:59:50,257
it should be abated and repaired or

5466
02:59:50,257 --> 02:59:51,258
demolished. It

5467
02:59:51,258 --> 02:59:52,259
seems that's where that discretion

5468
02:59:52,259 --> 02:59:53,260
looks to be, otherwise it looks like

5469
02:59:53,260 --> 02:59:55,260
the chief building

5470
02:59:55,262 --> 02:59:58,265
inspector has any discretion in this

5471
02:59:58,265 --> 02:59:59,266
ordinance on that.

5472
02:59:59,266 --> 03:00:00,267
>> in the first graph

5473
03:00:00,267 --> 03:00:01,268
in

5474
03:00:01,268 --> 03:00:02,269
this section come of this will be

5475
03:00:02,269 --> 03:00:04,269
the

5476
03:00:08,208 --> 03:00:10,208
second paragraph

5477
03:00:17,217 --> 03:00:18,218
, it states because

5478
03:00:18,218 --> 03:00:19,219
it's titled section e is unsafe buildings

5479
03:00:19,219 --> 03:00:20,220
or systems. It says all building structures,

5480
03:00:20,220 --> 03:00:21,221
electrical,

5481
03:00:21,221 --> 03:00:22,222
gas, chemical or plumbing systems

5482
03:00:22,222 --> 03:00:23,223
which are unsafe, unsanitary, or do

5483
03:00:23,223 --> 03:00:24,224
not provide adequate egress

5484
03:00:24,224 --> 03:00:25,225
or which constitutes a fire hazard

5485
03:00:25,225 --> 03:00:26,226
or otherwise dangerous to human life,

5486
03:00:26,226 --> 03:00:27,227
or which

5487
03:00:27,227 --> 03:00:28,228
in relation to existing use constitutes

5488
03:00:28,228 --> 03:00:29,229
a hazard to safety or health, are

5489
03:00:29,229 --> 03:00:30,230
considered unsafe

5490
03:00:30,230 --> 03:00:33,830
building and service systems so this

5491
03:00:35,235 --> 03:00:36,236
is just moving,

5492
03:00:36,236 --> 03:00:38,238
trying to move this forward a little

5493
03:00:38,238 --> 03:00:39,239
bit more.

5494
03:00:39,239 --> 03:00:40,240
>> I know. That's what

5495
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:41,241
you are trying to get the chief building

5496
03:00:41,241 --> 03:00:43,243
inspector to determine that part

5497
03:00:43,243 --> 03:00:44,244
of it. As it's written it doesn't

5498
03:00:44,244 --> 03:00:45,245
look like that's what he

5499
03:00:45,245 --> 03:00:46,246
is determining.

5500
03:00:46,246 --> 03:00:47,247
>> I don't agree.

5501
03:00:47,247 --> 03:00:50,847
I think with both paragraphs --

5502
03:00:51,251 --> 03:00:52,252
>> all such buildings

5503
03:00:52,252 --> 03:00:55,852
are declared illegal and shall be

5504
03:00:58,258 --> 03:00:59,259
placarded. It doesn't say the determination

5505
03:00:59,259 --> 03:01:00,260
goes back to that first sentence.

5506
03:01:00,260 --> 03:01:02,260
that's

5507
03:01:02,262 --> 03:01:03,263
one thing I'm worried

5508
03:01:03,263 --> 03:01:05,265
about. It looks like it doesn't have

5509
03:01:05,265 --> 03:01:07,267
much discretion on what can or can't

5510
03:01:07,267 --> 03:01:08,268
be done. It's a lot of shalls in this

5511
03:01:08,268 --> 03:01:11,271
case and also a different question

5512
03:01:11,271 --> 03:01:12,272
is what if the system is just a small

5513
03:01:12,272 --> 03:01:14,272
system

5514
03:01:14,274 --> 03:01:16,274
that can be

5515
03:01:17,277 --> 03:01:20,277
theoretically done by turning it

5516
03:01:20,280 --> 03:01:23,283
off, if the rest of the building

5517
03:01:23,283 --> 03:01:24,284
is safe, do

5518
03:01:24,284 --> 03:01:26,286
you have to placarded and close down

5519
03:01:26,286 --> 03:01:27,287
the entire building when you have

5520
03:01:27,287 --> 03:01:28,288
just one

5521
03:01:28,288 --> 03:01:29,289
system that could be easily turned

5522
03:01:29,289 --> 03:01:30,290
off? That's what

5523
03:01:30,290 --> 03:01:31,291
I'm worried about with this language.

5524
03:01:31,291 --> 03:01:34,891
>> that goes back to the training

5525
03:01:38,298 --> 03:01:40,298
and certifications

5526
03:01:41,301 --> 03:01:42,302
and experience of these inspectors.

5527
03:01:42,302 --> 03:01:43,303
they

5528
03:01:43,303 --> 03:01:44,304
understand that if they can go in

5529
03:01:44,304 --> 03:01:45,305
and not have to condemn or close

5530
03:01:45,305 --> 03:01:47,307
down an entire building, and they

5531
03:01:47,307 --> 03:01:48,308
can just isolate a system and make

5532
03:01:48,308 --> 03:01:49,309
that

5533
03:01:49,309 --> 03:01:50,310
area or that system safe and keep

5534
03:01:50,310 --> 03:01:51,311
the entire building open,

5535
03:01:51,311 --> 03:01:53,313
than they have that knowledge and

5536
03:01:53,313 --> 03:01:54,314
expertise to do that.

5537
03:01:54,314 --> 03:01:55,315
>> I'm just

5538
03:01:55,315 --> 03:01:56,316
worried

5539
03:01:56,316 --> 03:01:57,317
the language doesn't allow them to

5540
03:01:57,317 --> 03:01:59,317
use their

5541
03:01:59,319 --> 03:02:00,320
proper

5542
03:02:00,320 --> 03:02:02,322
discretion, that's the thing that

5543
03:02:02,322 --> 03:02:03,323
was a little bit worried about with

5544
03:02:03,323 --> 03:02:04,324
the current

5545
03:02:04,324 --> 03:02:05,259
language. It feels almost like it's

5546
03:02:05,259 --> 03:02:06,260
trying to use a sledgehammer but too

5547
03:02:06,260 --> 03:02:07,261
much

5548
03:02:07,261 --> 03:02:08,262
when that's not the tool that should

5549
03:02:08,262 --> 03:02:10,262
be used on

5550
03:02:10,264 --> 03:02:11,265
the language.

5551
03:02:11,265 --> 03:02:12,266
>> [ inaudible ] as

5552
03:02:12,266 --> 03:02:13,267
written?

5553
03:02:13,267 --> 03:02:14,268
>>

5554
03:02:14,268 --> 03:02:15,269
second.

5555
03:02:15,269 --> 03:02:17,269
>> all

5556
03:02:17,271 --> 03:02:19,271
in favor?

5557
03:02:20,274 --> 03:02:21,275
>> all opposed? >> I oppose.

5558
03:02:21,275 --> 03:02:23,277
>> this will require two public readings

5559
03:02:23,277 --> 03:02:25,677
unless you want to

5560
03:02:29,283 --> 03:02:31,283
wave it.

5561
03:02:32,286 --> 03:02:34,286
>> whitlock drive

5562
03:02:35,289 --> 03:02:36,290
first.

5563
03:02:36,290 --> 03:02:38,290
>>

5564
03:02:38,292 --> 03:02:39,293
whitlock drive.

5565
03:02:39,293 --> 03:02:40,294
>> excuse me. >> these

5566
03:02:40,294 --> 03:02:41,295
last two

5567
03:02:41,295 --> 03:02:44,295
items are named projects on

5568
03:02:44,298 --> 03:02:46,298
the 2022

5569
03:02:47,301 --> 03:02:49,701
splost, so this first

5570
03:02:50,304 --> 03:02:51,305
one, after numerous meetings with

5571
03:02:51,305 --> 03:02:53,305
the neighborhood and

5572
03:02:53,307 --> 03:02:55,307
public input,

5573
03:02:59,313 --> 03:03:00,314
this is the design that has been acceptable

5574
03:03:00,314 --> 03:03:02,314
by

5575
03:03:02,316 --> 03:03:05,252
the neighborhood as well as our

5576
03:03:05,252 --> 03:03:06,253
engineering staff. This design

5577
03:03:06,253 --> 03:03:08,255
would maintain the current islands

5578
03:03:08,255 --> 03:03:10,655
that are in place,

5579
03:03:14,261 --> 03:03:15,262
the tree islands there that you see,

5580
03:03:15,262 --> 03:03:16,263
create

5581
03:03:16,263 --> 03:03:17,264
pedestrian crosswalks, create additional

5582
03:03:17,264 --> 03:03:21,268
green space by the removal of existing

5583
03:03:21,268 --> 03:03:23,270
pavement, create stock conditions

5584
03:03:23,270 --> 03:03:24,271
for traffic at all points of street

5585
03:03:24,271 --> 03:03:25,272
intersections, install rapid flashing

5586
03:03:25,272 --> 03:03:26,273
beacons at all the crosswalks, and

5587
03:03:26,273 --> 03:03:28,275
create two points of

5588
03:03:28,275 --> 03:03:29,276
raised speed tables or crosswalks.

5589
03:03:29,276 --> 03:03:31,276
you see those

5590
03:03:31,278 --> 03:03:33,280
in red there, one right there and

5591
03:03:33,280 --> 03:03:35,280
one up

5592
03:03:35,282 --> 03:03:38,882
right there. The original budget approved

5593
03:03:42,289 --> 03:03:44,289
the 2022

5594
03:03:47,294 --> 03:03:48,295
splost for this project was $750,000.

5595
03:03:48,295 --> 03:03:49,296
the

5596
03:03:49,296 --> 03:03:50,297
revised construction estimate for

5597
03:03:50,297 --> 03:03:51,298
this project is now $125,000 for what

5598
03:03:51,298 --> 03:03:52,299
you see

5599
03:03:52,299 --> 03:03:54,301
there. This project is located in

5600
03:03:54,301 --> 03:03:55,302
ward 3 a.

5601
03:03:55,302 --> 03:03:57,304
>> saving the city a lot of money

5602
03:03:57,304 --> 03:03:59,304
on

5603
03:04:00,307 --> 03:04:02,707
this now. Speaking of

5604
03:04:03,310 --> 03:04:04,311
the money,

5605
03:04:04,311 --> 03:04:06,246
do you have something earmarked for

5606
03:04:06,246 --> 03:04:08,246
the remainder of

5607
03:04:08,248 --> 03:04:09,249
this money and when do you think this

5608
03:04:09,249 --> 03:04:11,249
project might be

5609
03:04:12,252 --> 03:04:13,253
able to get started now?

5610
03:04:13,253 --> 03:04:14,254
>>

5611
03:04:14,254 --> 03:04:15,255
this project, because the scope has

5612
03:04:15,255 --> 03:04:18,258
been reduced and is very simple

5613
03:04:18,258 --> 03:04:20,260
right now, if council approves

5614
03:04:20,260 --> 03:04:24,264
this concept, we are ready to go to

5615
03:04:24,264 --> 03:04:25,265
construction here probably in

5616
03:04:25,265 --> 03:04:27,267
30-45 days. It's a very simple project.

5617
03:04:27,267 --> 03:04:29,269
we can get out the door

5618
03:04:29,269 --> 03:04:33,273
and get started on. It will be very,

5619
03:04:33,273 --> 03:04:34,274
very quick.

5620
03:04:34,274 --> 03:04:35,275
>>

5621
03:04:35,275 --> 03:04:36,276
I make a motion to approve this as

5622
03:04:36,276 --> 03:04:37,277
designed.

5623
03:04:37,277 --> 03:04:39,277
>> second. >> [

5624
03:04:39,279 --> 03:04:41,279
inaudible

5625
03:04:42,282 --> 03:04:43,283
]

5626
03:04:43,283 --> 03:04:45,283
>>

5627
03:04:45,285 --> 03:04:47,685
[ inaudible ] sign rather than

5628
03:04:48,288 --> 03:04:49,289
a yield sign at whitlock

5629
03:04:49,289 --> 03:04:50,290
drive in hillcrest.

5630
03:04:50,290 --> 03:04:51,291
>> part of the

5631
03:04:51,291 --> 03:04:53,291
point

5632
03:04:53,293 --> 03:04:54,294
there was, when I was looking at this

5633
03:04:54,294 --> 03:04:56,294
initially, was to

5634
03:04:57,297 --> 03:04:59,299
help slow traffic down there

5635
03:04:59,299 --> 03:05:00,300
and improve some of the safety coming

5636
03:05:00,300 --> 03:05:02,300
around both

5637
03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:08,240
turns. So

5638
03:05:09,243 --> 03:05:11,243
our original design,

5639
03:05:11,245 --> 03:05:12,246
of course, as some of you saw in several

5640
03:05:12,246 --> 03:05:13,247
of the emails that was

5641
03:05:13,247 --> 03:05:14,248
flying around during the years past,

5642
03:05:14,248 --> 03:05:15,249
was put some roundabouts there. And

5643
03:05:15,249 --> 03:05:17,249
of course that

5644
03:05:17,251 --> 03:05:18,252
did not go over well. So we came back

5645
03:05:18,252 --> 03:05:19,253
with a design. We had

5646
03:05:19,253 --> 03:05:21,255
a couple different options, one of

5647
03:05:21,255 --> 03:05:22,256
which was some yield signs, one of

5648
03:05:22,256 --> 03:05:23,257
which

5649
03:05:23,257 --> 03:05:24,258
was stop signs, and this was the one

5650
03:05:24,258 --> 03:05:25,259
that the neighborhood agreed-upon

5651
03:05:25,259 --> 03:05:27,259
that

5652
03:05:30,264 --> 03:05:31,265
they liked the most. We actually had

5653
03:05:31,265 --> 03:05:32,266
everybody

5654
03:05:32,266 --> 03:05:33,267
vote on it and we had a meeting in

5655
03:05:33,267 --> 03:05:36,267
here. This is the one

5656
03:05:36,270 --> 03:05:38,272
they chose. We have no problems

5657
03:05:38,272 --> 03:05:39,273
with this.

5658
03:05:39,273 --> 03:05:40,274
>> I'd love for us to consider

5659
03:05:40,274 --> 03:05:42,274
at a

5660
03:05:42,276 --> 03:05:45,276
stop sign rather than the

5661
03:05:45,279 --> 03:05:46,280
yield sign their.

5662
03:05:46,280 --> 03:05:48,280
>> does it

5663
03:05:48,282 --> 03:05:51,285
say yield? It supposed to all be

5664
03:05:51,285 --> 03:05:54,288
stop signs. If it says yield --

5665
03:05:54,288 --> 03:05:55,289
those are stop signs.

5666
03:05:55,289 --> 03:05:56,290
>> those

5667
03:05:56,290 --> 03:05:57,291
are stops.

5668
03:05:57,291 --> 03:05:58,292
>> yeah, those are stops.

5669
03:05:58,292 --> 03:06:01,292
>> if it says yield that's

5670
03:06:03,297 --> 03:06:04,298
a mistype. There

5671
03:06:04,298 --> 03:06:05,232
all supposed to be stop signs.

5672
03:06:05,232 --> 03:06:06,233
>>

5673
03:06:06,233 --> 03:06:07,234
thank you, thank you.

5674
03:06:07,234 --> 03:06:08,235
>> they are

5675
03:06:08,235 --> 03:06:09,236
currently

5676
03:06:09,236 --> 03:06:10,237
yield and we are taking them out.

5677
03:06:10,237 --> 03:06:11,238
>> running yields or

5678
03:06:11,238 --> 03:06:12,239
running stops.

5679
03:06:12,239 --> 03:06:14,639
>> I would ask for

5680
03:06:15,242 --> 03:06:18,245
this item, if it's okay, not

5681
03:06:18,245 --> 03:06:20,245
to be on

5682
03:06:20,247 --> 03:06:21,248
consent and for you to take a vote,

5683
03:06:21,248 --> 03:06:23,248
just

5684
03:06:27,254 --> 03:06:28,255
due to --

5685
03:06:28,255 --> 03:06:30,257
>> nonconsent, please. >> the items.

5686
03:06:30,257 --> 03:06:31,258
>> let people show up if they want

5687
03:06:31,258 --> 03:06:32,259
to

5688
03:06:32,259 --> 03:06:33,260
for this one.

5689
03:06:33,260 --> 03:06:34,261
>> that is correct.

5690
03:06:34,261 --> 03:06:35,262
>> so it's not on

5691
03:06:35,262 --> 03:06:36,263
consent. Okay. Next item?

5692
03:06:36,263 --> 03:06:37,264
>> next

5693
03:06:37,264 --> 03:06:39,264
item

5694
03:06:39,266 --> 03:06:41,666
is our first big

5695
03:06:42,269 --> 03:06:43,270
project

5696
03:06:43,270 --> 03:06:45,272
of 2022 splost, intersection improvement

5697
03:06:45,272 --> 03:06:47,272
at hickory and

5698
03:06:51,278 --> 03:06:53,278
polk. So

5699
03:06:54,281 --> 03:06:55,282
this proposed design would replace

5700
03:06:55,282 --> 03:06:56,283
the current

5701
03:06:56,283 --> 03:06:57,284
traffic signal that is in place with

5702
03:06:57,284 --> 03:06:59,284
the roundabout that

5703
03:07:00,287 --> 03:07:02,289
you see their. The roundabout

5704
03:07:02,289 --> 03:07:03,290
would allow for the best flow of traffic

5705
03:07:03,290 --> 03:07:04,291
at this intersection, without the

5706
03:07:04,291 --> 03:07:06,226
backups

5707
03:07:06,226 --> 03:07:09,226
of traffic during morning and

5708
03:07:09,229 --> 03:07:11,229
evening rush

5709
03:07:17,237 --> 03:07:18,238
.'s. It would create pedestrian crosswalks,

5710
03:07:18,238 --> 03:07:19,239
create additional green space in the

5711
03:07:19,239 --> 03:07:20,240
middle of

5712
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:21,241
the roundabout, allow for traffic

5713
03:07:21,241 --> 03:07:22,242
to move at all times toward whitlock,

5714
03:07:22,242 --> 03:07:23,243
down burnt

5715
03:07:23,243 --> 03:07:24,244
hickory, and install rapid flashing

5716
03:07:24,244 --> 03:07:26,246
beacons at the crosswalk. The

5717
03:07:26,246 --> 03:07:27,247
original budget amount approved in

5718
03:07:27,247 --> 03:07:29,249
the 2022 splost for this

5719
03:07:29,249 --> 03:07:30,250
project is $1.5 million. We do not

5720
03:07:30,250 --> 03:07:31,251
have an estimated construction at

5721
03:07:31,251 --> 03:07:32,252
this point.

5722
03:07:32,252 --> 03:07:33,253
we wanted council to look at this

5723
03:07:33,253 --> 03:07:35,255
concept before we move any further

5724
03:07:35,255 --> 03:07:36,256
forward with this. This project is

5725
03:07:36,256 --> 03:07:37,257
split between three wards. Actually

5726
03:07:37,257 --> 03:07:39,257
two, but

5727
03:07:42,262 --> 03:07:44,262
three a,

5728
03:07:45,265 --> 03:07:47,267
4 letter a and 4 c. The size of

5729
03:07:47,267 --> 03:07:48,268
that roundabout, just to kind of give

5730
03:07:48,268 --> 03:07:49,269
you some reference, is approximately

5731
03:07:49,269 --> 03:07:50,270
120 foot

5732
03:07:50,270 --> 03:07:51,271
radius through their. As you are moving

5733
03:07:51,271 --> 03:07:54,871
down burnt hickory coming there from

5734
03:07:57,277 --> 03:07:58,278
the northwest to the southeast there,

5735
03:07:58,278 --> 03:08:00,278
coming down toward

5736
03:08:01,281 --> 03:08:02,282
whitlock, you see there is what

5737
03:08:02,282 --> 03:08:05,219
I call a slip lane that will allow

5738
03:08:05,219 --> 03:08:07,221
traffic to continually move and not

5739
03:08:07,221 --> 03:08:10,221
get caught up in the

5740
03:08:12,226 --> 03:08:13,227
roundabout traffic coming down burnt

5741
03:08:13,227 --> 03:08:15,627
hickory, to move on

5742
03:08:16,230 --> 03:08:18,230
toward whitlock, to

5743
03:08:19,233 --> 03:08:21,233
keep traffic

5744
03:08:24,238 --> 03:08:25,239
constantly moving through there. And

5745
03:08:25,239 --> 03:08:26,240
you

5746
03:08:26,240 --> 03:08:28,242
would still be able, if you need to

5747
03:08:28,242 --> 03:08:29,243
get into the roundabout, to move on

5748
03:08:29,243 --> 03:08:31,245
toward polk, you'll get in that left-hand

5749
03:08:31,245 --> 03:08:32,246
lane if you're coming down burnt hickory.

5750
03:08:32,246 --> 03:08:34,248
you're getting that inside lane, move

5751
03:08:34,248 --> 03:08:35,249
around and get on to pole, and move

5752
03:08:35,249 --> 03:08:38,249
your way around. Everything would

5753
03:08:40,254 --> 03:08:42,254
be beautified

5754
03:08:42,256 --> 03:08:43,257
streetscape as far as brick islands,

5755
03:08:43,257 --> 03:08:44,258
and like I

5756
03:08:44,258 --> 03:08:45,259
said, the crosswalks. The center spot

5757
03:08:45,259 --> 03:08:46,260
there you see, we just indicated that

5758
03:08:46,260 --> 03:08:47,261
right now

5759
03:08:47,261 --> 03:08:48,262
with green. We are proposing to bring

5760
03:08:48,262 --> 03:08:49,263
that back to our design, internal

5761
03:08:49,263 --> 03:08:50,264
design

5762
03:08:50,264 --> 03:08:53,267
group, to come back with some sort

5763
03:08:53,267 --> 03:08:55,269
of gateway structure. We just don't

5764
03:08:55,269 --> 03:08:56,270
know what that's going to look

5765
03:08:56,270 --> 03:08:58,272
like at this point, but it will be

5766
03:08:58,272 --> 03:09:00,272
some sort of

5767
03:09:04,278 --> 03:09:06,278
gateway monument

5768
03:09:08,215 --> 03:09:10,217
type item at this point. We just don't

5769
03:09:10,217 --> 03:09:11,218
know what that's going to look

5770
03:09:11,218 --> 03:09:13,220
like. I don't want you to think that's

5771
03:09:13,220 --> 03:09:14,221
just all going to be green.

5772
03:09:14,221 --> 03:09:16,223
it's not. It's going to be some sort

5773
03:09:16,223 --> 03:09:17,224
of gateway structure.

5774
03:09:17,224 --> 03:09:18,225
>> [ inaudible

5775
03:09:18,225 --> 03:09:19,226
]?

5776
03:09:19,226 --> 03:09:20,227
>> I'm sorry. So that's the concept.

5777
03:09:20,227 --> 03:09:22,227
I'm happy to

5778
03:09:22,229 --> 03:09:24,229
answer

5779
03:09:25,232 --> 03:09:26,233
any questions

5780
03:09:26,233 --> 03:09:27,234
. If it's acceptable then we'll continue

5781
03:09:27,234 --> 03:09:28,235
moving on, finalizing design, and

5782
03:09:28,235 --> 03:09:30,235
getting this

5783
03:09:31,238 --> 03:09:34,241
project on out to bid. I

5784
03:09:34,241 --> 03:09:37,241
do not --this will be

5785
03:09:37,244 --> 03:09:39,246
a project that will have to be a summer

5786
03:09:39,246 --> 03:09:40,247
construction project, just because

5787
03:09:40,247 --> 03:09:42,247
of school traffic,

5788
03:09:43,250 --> 03:09:45,252
so we don't impact

5789
03:09:45,252 --> 03:09:46,253
school traffic, and then we get a

5790
03:09:46,253 --> 03:09:49,253
little closer to that, which

5791
03:09:52,259 --> 03:09:54,259
I anticipate

5792
03:09:58,265 --> 03:09:59,266
to be summer of '26 before we actually

5793
03:09:59,266 --> 03:10:00,267
are

5794
03:10:00,267 --> 03:10:01,268
ready to do construction, at a minimum.

5795
03:10:01,268 --> 03:10:02,269
once we get to that point, a

5796
03:10:02,269 --> 03:10:03,270
little closer, then I would be happy

5797
03:10:03,270 --> 03:10:04,271
to have a conversation with mayor

5798
03:10:04,271 --> 03:10:05,205
and council

5799
03:10:05,205 --> 03:10:07,207
as to more specifics, as to the construction

5800
03:10:07,207 --> 03:10:08,208
timeline. A couple of options I've

5801
03:10:08,208 --> 03:10:09,209
got

5802
03:10:09,209 --> 03:10:10,210
in mind on doing this, just the up

5803
03:10:10,210 --> 03:10:12,210
to council

5804
03:10:12,212 --> 03:10:13,213
to tell me how quick you want to pull

5805
03:10:13,213 --> 03:10:16,213
the band-aid off, make this

5806
03:10:19,219 --> 03:10:21,219
thing work

5807
03:10:25,225 --> 03:10:27,227
, whether or not we want to work

5808
03:10:27,227 --> 03:10:28,228
24 hours a day, seven days a week,

5809
03:10:28,228 --> 03:10:30,230
in order to get traffic least impacted,

5810
03:10:30,230 --> 03:10:31,231
or we want to stretch this out for

5811
03:10:31,231 --> 03:10:33,233
a number of weeks and have traffic

5812
03:10:33,233 --> 03:10:34,234
impacted. But we'll come back and

5813
03:10:34,234 --> 03:10:35,235
have that discussion

5814
03:10:35,235 --> 03:10:37,237
a little later when we get closer

5815
03:10:37,237 --> 03:10:38,238
to actual construction time.

5816
03:10:38,238 --> 03:10:39,239
>> I

5817
03:10:39,239 --> 03:10:40,240
make the

5818
03:10:40,240 --> 03:10:42,240
motion to move

5819
03:10:43,243 --> 03:10:45,243
this forward.

5820
03:10:52,252 --> 03:10:54,252
>> [ inaudible ]. >> I

5821
03:10:54,254 --> 03:10:55,255
am well aware of that x city employee.

5822
03:10:55,255 --> 03:10:56,256
>> [ inaudible ]. >> I

5823
03:10:56,256 --> 03:10:58,258
have not. She knows we're going to

5824
03:10:58,258 --> 03:11:00,260
do a project there but she has not

5825
03:11:00,260 --> 03:11:01,261
seen this. I have not shown this plan

5826
03:11:01,261 --> 03:11:02,262
to anyone, until mayor and council

5827
03:11:02,262 --> 03:11:03,263
see

5828
03:11:03,263 --> 03:11:04,264
it tonight.

5829
03:11:04,264 --> 03:11:05,265
>> I make the motion moving

5830
03:11:05,265 --> 03:11:06,266
forward.

5831
03:11:06,266 --> 03:11:07,267
>> I'll second it. >> all

5832
03:11:07,267 --> 03:11:08,268
in favor, raise your hand.

5833
03:11:08,268 --> 03:11:09,269
>> you

5834
03:11:09,269 --> 03:11:10,270
guys get stopped by another one person

5835
03:11:10,270 --> 03:11:12,670
on the roundabout, that

5836
03:11:13,273 --> 03:11:14,274
ain't right.

5837
03:11:14,274 --> 03:11:15,275
>> they're a natural

5838
03:11:15,275 --> 03:11:17,275
born target,

5839
03:11:18,278 --> 03:11:19,279
aren't they?

5840
03:11:19,279 --> 03:11:21,279
>> stop sign [ inaudible

5841
03:11:25,285 --> 03:11:27,285
] at

5842
03:11:28,288 --> 03:11:29,289
that shopping center [ inaudible ]. Anyway.

5843
03:11:29,289 --> 03:11:30,290
>> I will

5844
03:11:30,290 --> 03:11:31,291
say this about this. We only have

5845
03:11:31,291 --> 03:11:32,292
to have a little bit of additional

5846
03:11:32,292 --> 03:11:34,294
right-of-way from the southeast and

5847
03:11:34,294 --> 03:11:35,295
the southwest, two parties, that bank

5848
03:11:35,295 --> 03:11:36,296
and

5849
03:11:36,296 --> 03:11:37,297
then that assisted living facility.

5850
03:11:37,297 --> 03:11:38,298
the other two properties to the northeast,

5851
03:11:38,298 --> 03:11:40,298
northwest, are

5852
03:11:42,302 --> 03:11:43,303
city-owned. Now one of those parks,

5853
03:11:43,303 --> 03:11:45,305
part of the parks

5854
03:11:45,305 --> 03:11:46,306
and rec grounds and we'll have to

5855
03:11:46,306 --> 03:11:48,306
work

5856
03:11:49,309 --> 03:11:51,309
that out with

5857
03:11:51,311 --> 03:11:52,312
rich buss and his folks. But other

5858
03:11:52,312 --> 03:11:53,313
than that, we already owned those

5859
03:11:53,313 --> 03:11:55,313
two

5860
03:11:55,315 --> 03:11:56,316
right of ways.

5861
03:11:56,316 --> 03:11:57,317
>> just for an update,

5862
03:11:57,317 --> 03:11:58,318
with

5863
03:11:58,318 --> 03:11:59,319
your counterpart, basically when they

5864
03:11:59,319 --> 03:12:01,319
tore

5865
03:12:01,321 --> 03:12:03,721
up your roads, but

5866
03:12:04,324 --> 03:12:06,260
you

5867
03:12:06,260 --> 03:12:07,261
know, I think bill w did a good job

5868
03:12:07,261 --> 03:12:09,261
of 2020 weather, today

5869
03:12:10,264 --> 03:12:12,264
we

5870
03:12:13,267 --> 03:12:15,269
lost two, I guess the park sign

5871
03:12:15,269 --> 03:12:16,270
and one just off of [ inaudible ].

5872
03:12:16,270 --> 03:12:18,670
the water main break

5873
03:12:19,273 --> 03:12:21,273
>> on lawrence. >> 3:00

5874
03:12:22,276 --> 03:12:24,276
in the

5875
03:12:25,279 --> 03:12:26,280
morning. But who goes --you fix the

5876
03:12:26,280 --> 03:12:28,280
street

5877
03:12:28,282 --> 03:12:29,283
back later?

5878
03:12:29,283 --> 03:12:31,283
>> we

5879
03:12:34,288 --> 03:12:35,289
do.

5880
03:12:35,289 --> 03:12:36,290
>>

5881
03:12:36,290 --> 03:12:37,291
just [ inaudible ]?

5882
03:12:37,291 --> 03:12:38,292
>> it depends

5883
03:12:38,292 --> 03:12:39,293
on the size of the patch.

5884
03:12:39,293 --> 03:12:40,294
so if it's a small enough patch then

5885
03:12:40,294 --> 03:12:43,297
my streets crews will go fix

5886
03:12:43,297 --> 03:12:46,297
it but those are too

5887
03:12:46,300 --> 03:12:48,302
large so for having our paving crew,

5888
03:12:48,302 --> 03:12:49,303
we've already given that over to our

5889
03:12:49,303 --> 03:12:50,304
paving contractor as part of our resurfacing

5890
03:12:50,304 --> 03:12:51,305
price

5891
03:12:51,305 --> 03:12:52,306
for this year and they are going to

5892
03:12:52,306 --> 03:12:55,306
hit those first and get

5893
03:12:58,312 --> 03:13:00,312
those repaired because

5894
03:13:00,314 --> 03:13:01,315
they are too big for our guys to handling

5895
03:13:01,315 --> 03:13:03,317
house so they are going to

5896
03:13:03,317 --> 03:13:04,318
fix those first, as soon as they get

5897
03:13:04,318 --> 03:13:05,252
in town and get that fixed.

5898
03:13:05,252 --> 03:13:07,252
>>

5899
03:13:07,254 --> 03:13:10,257
you guys did outstanding work. I

5900
03:13:10,257 --> 03:13:12,657
saw some stuff on

5901
03:13:14,261 --> 03:13:16,261
the ring system

5902
03:13:20,267 --> 03:13:21,268
for like,

5903
03:13:21,268 --> 03:13:23,270
what's going on. But I tell you what,

5904
03:13:23,270 --> 03:13:26,273
for the ones that affected my

5905
03:13:26,273 --> 03:13:28,673
ward, there are two

5906
03:13:29,276 --> 03:13:31,276
of them

5907
03:13:32,279 --> 03:13:33,280
, [ inaudible ].

5908
03:13:33,280 --> 03:13:34,281
>> we

5909
03:13:34,281 --> 03:13:35,282
will, streets will, keep them maintained

5910
03:13:35,282 --> 03:13:36,283
in the meantime until we get the permanent

5911
03:13:36,283 --> 03:13:37,284
patch on

5912
03:13:37,284 --> 03:13:38,285
them. We'll make sure that they're

5913
03:13:38,285 --> 03:13:40,285
all

5914
03:13:41,288 --> 03:13:42,289
safe.

5915
03:13:42,289 --> 03:13:43,290
>> why do water pipes burst at 3:00

5916
03:13:43,290 --> 03:13:44,291
in the morning? Why don't they ever

5917
03:13:44,291 --> 03:13:45,292
--

5918
03:13:45,292 --> 03:13:46,293
[ laughter ].

5919
03:13:46,293 --> 03:13:47,294
>> same reason my storm

5920
03:13:47,294 --> 03:13:48,295
water pipes --

5921
03:13:48,295 --> 03:13:49,296
>> anything else

5922
03:13:49,296 --> 03:13:50,297
for public works?

5923
03:13:50,297 --> 03:13:52,297
>> just because

5924
03:13:56,303 --> 03:13:57,304
we own the [ inaudible

5925
03:13:57,304 --> 03:13:59,306
], most of those pipes were probably

5926
03:13:59,306 --> 03:14:02,309
put in 80 years ago. So I think

5927
03:14:02,309 --> 03:14:05,245
we've gotten good life. They

5928
03:14:05,245 --> 03:14:07,245
were built

5929
03:14:16,256 --> 03:14:17,257
by '39 or '40 point

5930
03:14:17,257 --> 03:14:18,258
>> they had had

5931
03:14:18,258 --> 03:14:19,259
multiple days of

5932
03:14:19,259 --> 03:14:20,260
extremely cold weather, and they were

5933
03:14:20,260 --> 03:14:21,261
dealing with the settling and everything

5934
03:14:21,261 --> 03:14:22,262
else in the

5935
03:14:22,262 --> 03:14:23,263
roof, and everything else going on.

5936
03:14:23,263 --> 03:14:24,264
that's the time that you would have

5937
03:14:24,264 --> 03:14:25,265
something like

5938
03:14:25,265 --> 03:14:26,266
that happen.

5939
03:14:26,266 --> 03:14:27,267
>> and we are doing a

5940
03:14:27,267 --> 03:14:28,268
job the last few years of

5941
03:14:28,268 --> 03:14:29,269
working with marietta water on any

5942
03:14:29,269 --> 03:14:30,270
time now we have a project, streetscape

5943
03:14:30,270 --> 03:14:31,271
project or

5944
03:14:31,271 --> 03:14:32,272
anything else, we are looking at doing

5945
03:14:32,272 --> 03:14:33,273
a drainage improvement project over on

5946
03:14:33,273 --> 03:14:34,274
maxwell

5947
03:14:34,274 --> 03:14:35,275
right now and we've identified some

5948
03:14:35,275 --> 03:14:36,276
of their old clay sewer pipes, and

5949
03:14:36,276 --> 03:14:38,276
we've

5950
03:14:38,278 --> 03:14:40,678
been in conversations with

5951
03:14:41,281 --> 03:14:43,281
marietta water

5952
03:14:44,284 --> 03:14:45,285
and said even though we are not touching

5953
03:14:45,285 --> 03:14:47,287
those pipes, but we are going to be

5954
03:14:47,287 --> 03:14:48,288
close enough, you might want to

5955
03:14:48,288 --> 03:14:50,290
go take a look at those, since we

5956
03:14:50,290 --> 03:14:51,291
are going to have the road

5957
03:14:51,291 --> 03:14:53,293
opened. Now would be a good time for

5958
03:14:53,293 --> 03:14:55,295
you to go in and if you want

5959
03:14:55,295 --> 03:14:56,296
to do something, now would be a good

5960
03:14:56,296 --> 03:14:57,297
time when we've got

5961
03:14:57,297 --> 03:14:59,299
the road open so you are not having

5962
03:14:59,299 --> 03:15:00,300
to

5963
03:15:00,300 --> 03:15:02,302
pay double early on, so we are constantly

5964
03:15:02,302 --> 03:15:03,303
in communication with them to try

5965
03:15:03,303 --> 03:15:04,304
to

5966
03:15:04,304 --> 03:15:05,239
help both parties get things done

5967
03:15:05,239 --> 03:15:06,240
like this.

5968
03:15:06,240 --> 03:15:07,241
>>

5969
03:15:07,241 --> 03:15:08,242
thanks for putting that in motion.

5970
03:15:08,242 --> 03:15:10,242
>> thank you.

5971
03:15:11,245 --> 03:15:13,245
>> thank

5972
03:15:14,248 --> 03:15:16,248
you all.

5973
03:15:17,251 --> 03:15:18,252
>> I want to call

5974
03:15:18,252 --> 03:15:20,254
the special council meeting work session

5975
03:15:20,254 --> 03:15:21,255
to order. First item of business is

5976
03:15:21,255 --> 03:15:23,255
addressing the

5977
03:15:23,257 --> 03:15:25,257
december 19th 2024

5978
03:15:26,260 --> 03:15:28,260
meeting minutes

5979
03:15:28,262 --> 03:15:29,263
. Motion?

5980
03:15:29,263 --> 03:15:30,264
>> make a motion to approve.

5981
03:15:30,264 --> 03:15:31,265
>> second. >> all those

5982
03:15:31,265 --> 03:15:32,266
in favor please raise your right hand.

5983
03:15:32,266 --> 03:15:34,266
motion carries. Do

5984
03:15:34,268 --> 03:15:35,269
we have a personnel executive session?

5985
03:15:35,269 --> 03:15:36,270
>> yes sir,

5986
03:15:36,270 --> 03:15:38,272
would you like to have that for that

5987
03:15:38,272 --> 03:15:39,273
item that was on the other agenda?

5988
03:15:39,273 --> 03:15:40,274
>>

5989
03:15:40,274 --> 03:15:41,275
I see two of them, wasn't it?

5990
03:15:41,275 --> 03:15:43,275
>> one

5991
03:15:47,281 --> 03:15:49,281
was voting for

5992
03:15:49,283 --> 03:15:50,284
--

5993
03:15:50,284 --> 03:15:51,285
>> one was just a question. >> however

5994
03:15:51,285 --> 03:15:52,286
reanalyzed.

5995
03:15:52,286 --> 03:15:53,287
>> there was a question

5996
03:15:53,287 --> 03:15:54,288
during the personnel meeting about

5997
03:15:54,288 --> 03:15:55,289
your appointment to the ethics board.

5998
03:15:55,289 --> 03:15:56,290
>> we couldn't

5999
03:15:56,290 --> 03:15:57,291
do it [ inaudible ].

6000
03:15:57,291 --> 03:15:59,293
>> that's just your appointment

6001
03:15:59,293 --> 03:16:00,294
but we put it on there as a reminder

6002
03:16:00,294 --> 03:16:02,296
so we would just give it

6003
03:16:02,296 --> 03:16:04,696
to you before the

6004
03:16:05,232 --> 03:16:06,233
next agenda.

6005
03:16:06,233 --> 03:16:08,233
>>

6006
03:16:08,235 --> 03:16:10,635
if I had unsuccessful

6007
03:16:14,241 --> 03:16:16,243
phone calls I might be

6008
03:16:16,243 --> 03:16:17,244
able to put it off for another month,

6009
03:16:17,244 --> 03:16:19,246
but the sooner I try, the better,

6010
03:16:19,246 --> 03:16:20,247
because the committee is doing a lot

6011
03:16:20,247 --> 03:16:22,247
of

6012
03:16:23,250 --> 03:16:25,250
work and

6013
03:16:25,252 --> 03:16:26,253
I'm sure they'd like to know their

6014
03:16:26,253 --> 03:16:27,254
future.

6015
03:16:27,254 --> 03:16:28,255
>> it appeared both of the

6016
03:16:28,255 --> 03:16:29,256
individuals wanted to still be on

6017
03:16:29,256 --> 03:16:30,257
it. Like I say, they are in the middle

6018
03:16:30,257 --> 03:16:33,257
of work at this point.

6019
03:16:34,261 --> 03:16:35,262
>> for that committee more

6020
03:16:35,262 --> 03:16:38,265
than once, there is never been a wrong

6021
03:16:38,265 --> 03:16:41,265
line. It takes a good

6022
03:16:41,268 --> 03:16:43,268
citizen. So yeah,

6023
03:16:44,271 --> 03:16:46,671
I want notice it

6024
03:16:47,274 --> 03:16:49,274
this time.

6025
03:16:50,277 --> 03:16:52,279
>> and we do -->> make

6026
03:16:52,279 --> 03:16:53,280
a motion to go in executive session

6027
03:16:53,280 --> 03:16:55,983
for personal matters. >> I make a motion

6028
03:16:55,983 --> 03:16:58,986
to go into executive session for personnel matters.

6029
03:16:58,986 --> 03:17:01,986
>> is there a second? >> second.