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[SIDE CONVERSATION]

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Thanks for dinner.

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That's what I wrote.

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Well, just say, I'm fluent in Danish,

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and I'm going to be responding.

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[LAUGHTER]

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I don't know many Danes.

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[LAUGHS]

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You do now.

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Yeah.

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That's right.

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All the Mexicans call me vikingo, which means Viking.

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Viking, yeah.

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Yeah, I guess.

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I'll have to get up to speed on my Danish slang.

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Yeah.

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Your Danish slang.

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My Danish slang.

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So, everybody, the pizza is there

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if you'd like to grab a piece.

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Or why don't we get started, then one by one,

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we can go get it?

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It's just for a few minutes, I guess.

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Oh, I saw the pictures on this.

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Yeah.

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Is it that big a deal, though?

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Oops, I'm on--

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We're going to start getting ready.

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Recording in progress.

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Good evening.

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Welcome to the regular session of the Martinez City Council.

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I'd like to officially call this meeting to order.

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It is Wednesday, August 5, and it is 5:35 PM.

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City Clerk, please call the roll.

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Council Member Jay Howard.

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Present.

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Council Member Greg Young.

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Present.

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Council Member Debbie McKillop.

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Present.

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Vice Mayor Satinder Malhi.

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Present.

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Mayor Brianne Zorn.

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Present.

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Great.

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Thank you so much.

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All right, we only have one item on the agenda this evening.

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If it's OK with everyone, I will hold public comment

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until after we have the presentation from staff,

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and then we'll give the public an opportunity

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to comment on the presentation that we received.

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So with that, we'll go right into our study session.

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Conduct a study session to discuss potential updates

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to the city's development impact fees

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and provide direction to staff.

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Mike, would you like to--

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Michael, would you like to kick off this meeting for us, please?

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Great.

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Good evening, Mayor and members of the city council.

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As you indicated, Mayor, before you this evening

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is a study session on potential updates to our development

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impact fees.

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I would like to make sure that it's pointed out

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that this has been an interdepartmental effort that

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includes representatives from the City Manager's Office,

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Community and Economic Development Department,

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Public Works Department, Finance Department,

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as well as our esteemed consultant team.

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I would like to turn over the presentation this evening

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to Megan Gregory, who's with Economic and Planning

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Systems, who's been our support on bringing this item before you

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this evening.

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So thank you very much.

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Good afternoon.

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As Mike mentioned, my name is Megan Gregory

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from economic and planning systems.

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I'm also joined this evening by my colleague, Typhian Rice

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Evans.

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And we have conducted a development impact fee

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update and technical analysis.

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Let me-- there we go.

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A brief overview for our presentation this evening,

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we will provide some context for the nexus study,

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describe the approach we used when calculating and completing

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the technical analysis.

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We'll go over the results of that analysis

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and then present those results in the context

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of some nearby jurisdictions so you have a point of comparison

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for where these proposed fee levels might

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fall with your neighboring jurisdictions.

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And then we'll discuss next steps, questions,

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and potential policy directions.

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A nexus study update allows the city

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to refresh the list of capital improvements, the projects that

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are covered by these fees.

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You can also update the project costs

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based on new information, revised project descriptions,

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as well as conforming to recent legislation, such as AB 602.

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Additionally, we can reflect updated growth forecasts

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from recent plans, such as--

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I believe the housing element was

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one of the primary sources used in this analysis.

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An intro to development impact fee fundamentals.

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Development impact fee is a one-time fee on new development.

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It can fund infrastructure and capital facilities,

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capital improvements as well, and only funds

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the proportional share of capital improvements

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required to serve and accommodate new development.

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It cannot fund existing deficiencies or operations

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and maintenance that are ongoing within the city.

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We established these fees based on a nexus study and a capital

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improvement program.

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This identifies the link between new development

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and these capital improvement needs, the proportionality

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of the costs that are allocated to go into the fee program,

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as well as what we plan on using the fee revenues for.

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Here is a list of the existing fee categories that the city has

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and is charging for development impact fees,

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as well as the proposed fee categories in the update.

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These are largely similar, with some minor changes,

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like expanding cultural facilities to include

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public art, and some larger changes, which

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include removing the child care fee because the city has

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no plans to add additional child care facilities,

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as well as adding a marina waterfront infrastructure fee

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category as part of implementation of the Trust Land

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Use Plan.

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Here is a list of the costs that were sourced from adopted plans,

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such as the five-year CIP and that Trust Land Use

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Plan that we are allocating to growth

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and including in the fee program for each of the improvement

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categories.

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And using these costs, we can then

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allocate it to both residential and commercial development,

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resulting in these levels.

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These fee levels can be adopted at a lower level.

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However, we're presenting the full cost recovery level here,

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which includes all of the costs that are allocated

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to growth in the fee program.

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Fees cannot be adopted at higher than these levels,

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excluding annual adjustments for inflation.

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AB 602, which I mentioned earlier,

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requires that jurisdictions charge residential development

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impact fees on a per-square-foot basis

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to account for the relative impacts

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that different-sized units may have.

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Therefore, we do convert both single-family

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and multifamily residential fees from a per-unit fee

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to a fee per square foot.

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This conversion is using recent development examples

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from the city to get an average unit size.

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In addition to calculating the fee levels,

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we also collected information on development impact fees

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in the three nearby jurisdictions, Hercules,

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Benicia, and Concord.

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The fee comparison considers development impact fees,

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such as parks, art, capital facilities.

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It doesn't include permitting fees or utility connection fees,

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as those tend to vary a little bit more

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and aren't covered as part of the larger Mitigation Fee

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Act that development impact fees are covered by.

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EPS Quantified fees for typical single-family homes,

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multifamily, and office projects.

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Due to the variety of fee types, we summarized some fees into--

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cultural facilities, public art, and public facilities

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were summed up into a civic facilities category.

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And then police and fire fees were summed up

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into a public safety category.

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So here, we are showing the single-family fee comparison

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on a per-unit basis.

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We include the existing fee levels that Martinez currently

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has, as well as the calculated full cost recovery

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fees in comparison to these other jurisdictions.

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And are the other jurisdictions--

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are those numbers based on full cost recovery?

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I don't know exactly where policy decisions might have

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been made in the fee levels.

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They're publicly charged fees.

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OK, thank you.

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But just to clarify, the numbers on the far right

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under Benicia, Hercules, and Concord,

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is that existing or full cost?

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That's what I just said, I think.

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Yeah, their existing fees is what a project would be charged.

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I think we can safely make the assumption that they're not

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full costs because likely they're not--

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haven't been updated for some period of time

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for each of the jurisdictions.

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And just to clarify, the staff report

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does say that the point is that the nexus

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study is supposed to tell us what the maximum would be.

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And then we have the authority to make that choice.

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So we can assume that the other councils probably also

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didn't do full cost recovery.

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Since we're pausing, I do have one question, though.

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I guess Concord is the best example.

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It only has two fees here.

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Are there other fees that don't align with ours,

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or do they only have the two fees?

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These are the only two development impact fees

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that we identified Concord as having.

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They may charge permitting fees or other fees that

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aren't considered development impact fees that

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aren't included in this comparison for any

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of the jurisdictions.

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So Martinez currently is falling in the range

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for single-family fees.

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And I can actually move to the next slide.

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This provides a good graphic representation

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of the comparison of where Martinez is currently falling

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and where it would fall if the full cost recovery

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fees were adopted.

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Let me see.

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And here is a similar table for the multifamily fee comparison,

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which generally multifamily fees are

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less on a per-unit basis than single family

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but have a similar distribution to single family

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in terms of the fee categories.

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So once again, here is a similar place

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where Martinez falls currently and where

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they would fall within the range of the jurisdictions.

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Finally, for office fees, we see Martinez

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falling in a similar place.

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What's most different, possibly, for office fees is

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that Benicia and Concord only charge a transportation impact

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fee on their office development, whereas Martinez and Hercules

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charge additional impact fees on office.

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The fee levels are relatively similar, if not less,

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in Martinez and Benicia compared to Hercules and Concord.

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It's just how those facility improvements are allocated

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within that overall fee amount.

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Then to wrap things up, we have some questions for council

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that the city staff and ourselves have put together,

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looking at how the city should potentially benchmark

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those impact fees, how changes and updates to those fees

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might be phased, as well as support

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on some of the changes proposed within this fee update.

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Megan, please proceed with the presentation,

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and we'll circle back to this.

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Yeah, so that wraps up our presentation.

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And so we'll go to the city for questions.

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Is this questions now?

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OK.

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Can you go back to the Questions page?

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Would you mind speaking to the last three bullets?

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I don't feel like those last three

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bullets were talked about in your presentation at all.

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Can you clarify them, why you're asking us about it

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and what your recommendation is?

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Or is that a staff question?

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It could be.

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It might be a staff question in terms of those--

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So I can speak a little bit to the last few fees.

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So if you don't mind, I can just quickly

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go through each of the questions.

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That might actually be easier.

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Yeah, that's even better.

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Thank you.

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So the first question is, what should the city

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use as a benchmark for our impact fees?

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Should we be in the top, middle, or lower end

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compared to our peer jurisdictions?

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For context related to that question, so as you know,

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there's only so much housing that is reasonably going

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to get built by market demand.

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And typically, when individuals are developing homes or office

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construction, they're oftentimes looking from a profitability

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standpoint.

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And so usually, developers will look in a given region and what

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profit they stand to make in Martinez

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compared to some of our surrounding jurisdictions.

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So from a incentivization standpoint,

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the city could choose to say we're lower than X or Y

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jurisdiction, so we have the ability

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to market that we're incentivizing development

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above and beyond our neighbors.

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For the next question, this will largely

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depend upon the first question, but it's,

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how should development impact fee updates be phased?

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Should they be 75% the first year

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and 25% the subsequent year, like what

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we've done with our other user fee schedule updates?

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Or should that happen all at once?

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This is really going to be dependent upon the direction

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we're provided as the first item.

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If we keep our fees similar to where they're

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at or lower our fees, that would not be an applicable question.

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If we do increase our fees or certain fees,

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we have the ability that we could increase that

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all at once or at a later time.

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For the third bullet on whether or not

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the city council supports eliminating childcare fees,

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Megan alluded to this as part of the presentation.

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The city has no plans in place for adding childcare facilities

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that the city would be managing or maintaining.

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So the question is, do we want to eliminate that fee,

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at least for the time being, until such time we

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would have plans to potentially use that in the future?

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For the fourth bullet, it's a question on whether or not

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the city council supports expanding

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the cultural facilities fee to include public art.

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And for a little bit of context for that,

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I worked with the interim finance director,

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and we pulled information on what our current fee

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balances are.

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And for our cultural facilities fee,

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we have about $750,000 that are available.

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And so this would provide an opportunity

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where there's a little bit more flexibility

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with other types of projects for how those funds could be used.

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And then the final bullet point, which is probably

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one of the more meaty discussion points

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where we're seeking direction from the city council,

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is if the city council supports reducing or waiving development

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impact fees for ADUs over 750 square feet

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for deed-restricted affordable units or other categories?

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And to what extent do you support reducing or waiving

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fees?

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This is really where staff and the consultant team

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are seeking direction for what types of projects

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you want to specifically target to have built in Martinez.

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For a little bit of additional context for that,

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as part of state legislation, ADUs

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that are less than 750 square feet

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already do not pay development impact fees.

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So this would be, do you want to extend

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that for slightly larger ADUs?

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Additionally, the conversation about,

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do we want to do something to incentivize

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deed-restricted affordable units?

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As the council is inevitably aware,

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affordable units oftentimes are associated

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with a mixed-income project, where the market rate

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project-- excuse me, the market rate units

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are subsidizing the affordable units.

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And this could be a way to reduce

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what that subsidization potentially is,

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as well as a way to potentially help

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the city reach our regional housing needs allocation.

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Or alternatively, if there's other categories, it may be,

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again, at the council's discretion.

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And then finally, giving us a little bit of direction

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on to what extent we want to reduce or waive fees

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so that we can prepare information

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to incorporate that as part of the user fee schedule update.

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The last thing I'd like to add, and it's not a bullet point,

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if there's any additional comments or direction that

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relate to these general questions,

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this would be a good time, at the end of the discussion,

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for the council to provide direction to staff

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and the consultants as well.

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And Megan and I are available for any additional questions

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that you may have.

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Thank you for walking through each one of those questions.

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I wanted to ask a quick question,

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and then I'm going to let the other council ask

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their questions, and then we'll circle back.

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So the cultural facilities fee, I

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know this has been something that's come up in my meetings

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with the city manager before.

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There is a specific list of things

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that qualify for the cultural facilities fee.

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Has that in the past been defined by the city of Martinez,

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or is it defined by the state?

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How much flexibility do we actually have with that?

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It was included as part of the previous nexus

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study for what types of projects could be included.

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I think it's important to note the intention of what's

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going to transpire is after we get direction tonight,

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we'll come back at a future meeting with a public hearing.

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As part of that public hearing, there

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will be adoption of the nexus study,

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there will be approval of what the development impact

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fees will be, and there will be some code amendments.

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And so there will be some ability

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to provide clarification for what types

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of projects, both in the nexus study as well

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as part of the code.

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And if I could jump in as well on that point,

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there will be a distinction drawn between the monies that

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were collected under the prior nexus study and monies

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to be collected after if and when

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the council adopts a new nexus study.

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If we expand it to have a broader

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focus on public art and cultural facilities,

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that broader expansion to public art

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would apply to new monies collected under the new nexus

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study.

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The existing funds collected would

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be bound by the prior nexus study

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within the bounds of what was previously in that prior nexus

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study.

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And can you please remind me what's

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included in cultural facilities, our library, senior center?

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Library, senior center.

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And the train depot.

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And the train depot.

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So just those three facilities?

399
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OK.

400
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Yeah, and even in the CIP that you recently adopted,

401
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monies have been spent on the old train depot recently.

402
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And funds were put into the senior center.

403
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And we could always revisit that with additional funding.

404
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But we did put--

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I think it's $250,000 was moved into the senior center

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to replace what had been general fund money before.

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And we had talked about using cultural facilities

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money for a potential stage.

409
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So we're not 100%, or am I talking about the wrong thing?

410
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No, there was for waterfront stage.

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And so there's some context within the past nexus study that

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would have allowed for that, but obviously,

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because of the waterfront plan development,

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we are able to free up that money for other uses.

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And it's been the old train depot and the senior center

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so far.

417
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OK, thank you.

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I just want to make sure that we provide you the guidance that

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gets us to where we want to go.

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And I'm excited about the potential for--

421
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I think it's because of the amphitheater.

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That's why.

423
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Amphitheater was listed as--

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Oh, it was one of the facilities.

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--or whatever in the old nexus study.

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So that's why the stage would have qualified.

427
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Great.

428
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And, Debbie, did you have questions?

429
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You can kick us off.

430
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In the current attachment under cultural facilities

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and public art, is that the proposed?

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Because there's nine different projects

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listed under cultural facilities and public art.

434
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Will you clarify?

435
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I'm sorry.

436
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What are you looking at?

437
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The attachment that actually states what

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these monies can be used for.

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Attachment B?

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Yeah.

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So yes.

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So as Megan indicated, as part of the presentation,

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we took existing plans that were in place and capital

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improvements that are envisioned as part of those existing

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adopted plans and, from that, compiled

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the list that's included in the attachment, which

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will be used as part of the nexus study

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for the calculation of what the maximum fees could be.

449
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Thank you for calling that out because there are

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additional ones that called in.

451
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So this would be part of the nexus study.

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So it would give us even more projects to work on.

453
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OK, thank you.

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Oh, but that is a good point now that I'm looking at this.

455
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So there isn't a line item under cultural facilities

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and public art for just general public art, though.

457
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Do we need to add that if we--

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So what we would ask is if you give the direction to expand

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the scope of that fee, staff and the consultant

460
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will work to make sure the nexus study is designed

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to allow that to occur.

462
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Sorry, I didn't have my microphone on.

463
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Just in general about the fees, so you

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had asked about-- hang on.

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Let me go back.

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So we're just taking the first question, the first question

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about benchmarking.

468
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Let me go back to that because I just took that off my screen.

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Hold on.

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Looking at the benchmarks that you've provided,

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they seem very, very different and very broad.

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So, for instance, I wouldn't want

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to adopt one particular city, like Benicia or Hercules

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or Concord, because those allocations seem way off

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from what we're proposing.

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So I'm not exactly sure.

477
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When you say benchmarking, in what capacity?

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I think the goal of that question is--

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the intention is not, at today's meeting,

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to say, we want to charge X number for projects,

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because I think if we do that, we'll get five

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different directions on that.

483
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I think the goal is, generally, where

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do you want the city to align?

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And then part of the discussion about some of the other items,

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there may be direction that's provided that there's

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more of a priority for emphasizing one of the fees

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that we have over others, reducing some, keeping

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some the same, based on those priorities of the council.

490
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OK, great.

491
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So with that said, I just want to call out public safety.

492
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In comparison to other cities, it seems still somewhat low.

493
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And I know there's only two projects right now

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for public safety.

495
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It's an enhancement of the police department

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and I think vehicles.

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And say, in comparison to something else which was quite

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high, parks and recreation, which is over $9,000,

499
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and the parkland dedication, which is $6,000,

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it just seems like we should take a look at the public safety

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component and see if that seems reasonable to the council

502
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and if there's any other projects that we want to look

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at to support public safety.

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If that's the direction, staff can

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work with the chief of police to identify

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if there's any additional plans beyond what's

507
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been identified that may or may not have been codified yet.

508
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What I would like to make a minor clarification,

509
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there's actually three projects that

510
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are included for public safety.

511
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The third is securing parking as well.

512
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OK, thank you.

513
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Thanks So one of the questions I have

514
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in looking at some of the projects,

515
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under the parkland dedication, I know

516
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there was a category called acquisition, land acquisition.

517
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We've done a lot of that already,

518
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so I wasn't sure which acquisition

519
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we wanted to-- what other parks we want to acquire.

520
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We've acquired Alhambra Highlands

521
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and have a new park in Martinez as well.

522
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And then enhancing the dog park was on there.

523
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And I know that there was some concern about the dog park,

524
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whether or not that was a legit location.

525
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And then the last one was the waterfront stage.

526
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And I didn't realize we were investing

527
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any money in the amphitheater, or is this something different?

528
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You guys are looking at me like, what?

529
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:09,750
The waterfront stage I was talking about

530
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was part of the original discussion in the Trust Land Use

531
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Plan to have a stage, and it predated the waterfront project.

532
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:20,300
Yeah.

533
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:20,570
OK.

534
00:39:20,570 --> 00:39:22,430
OK, got that.

535
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:24,350
OK.

536
00:39:24,350 --> 00:39:28,470
So I was just going through all the different projects

537
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:30,910
under the different categories and looking at them

538
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:34,230
to determine, is there any place where

539
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:37,490
there's any more room for public safety allocations?

540
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:38,690
I just called that one.

541
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:43,470
There's others just in looking at some of these things.

542
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:45,210
Can I clarify your question?

543
00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:52,410
Are you asking to make the public safety fee higher or just

544
00:39:53,590 --> 00:39:57,550
list more projects that would qualify for those fees?

545
00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:59,510
So at this time, I would like to make sure

546
00:39:59,510 --> 00:40:03,490
that we are fully evaluating all the needs of public safety

547
00:40:03,490 --> 00:40:05,870
because to me, public safety is really

548
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:08,130
number one in our community.

549
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:10,730
We just celebrated National Night Out last night.

550
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:13,190
And we celebrated all of our first responders

551
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:15,300
and the amazing job that they do.

552
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:17,290
And I know that it's a very challenging job,

553
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:19,810
and there's always a lot of resources that they need.

554
00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:21,790
So I would want to make sure that this

555
00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:23,830
is an opportunity for Chief White

556
00:40:23,830 --> 00:40:27,333
to vocalize anything that he feels he may need to improve

557
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:28,250
our police department.

558
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:31,510
And this would be a time where we can maybe add a project

559
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:34,790
or do something that maybe we aren't aware of

560
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:40,230
and then maybe make some fees somewhat higher in that area

561
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:41,790
to accommodate some of the projects

562
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:44,610
that public safety may be needing or facing.

563
00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:47,212
That's just what I'm just shouting out

564
00:40:47,212 --> 00:40:48,670
because I think that we should just

565
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:50,450
take a deep look at public safety

566
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:54,845
when we have an opportunity to do so.

567
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:04,790
So I actually was looking to get some clarification

568
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:08,670
on one of the other questions that you referenced,

569
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:10,570
if that's OK, on the childcare.

570
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:11,470
Can I ask about that?

571
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:12,150
OK.

572
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:16,110
So, Michael, do I understand correctly that--

573
00:41:16,110 --> 00:41:20,910
so we currently have an allocation for childcare fees.

574
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:24,100
But if I understood you correctly,

575
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:28,210
we don't actually run any childcare facilities.

576
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:30,570
So it closed two years ago.

577
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:35,910
So the question is, how much money have we collected?

578
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:37,490
And what is its status?

579
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:38,530
It's pretty minimal.

580
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:42,570
We have about $8,000 that is available in that fund.

581
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:44,750
And so that would be something that we

582
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:46,410
would need to go through the process--

583
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:48,430
if the fee is eliminated, we would

584
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:50,710
go through the process of refunding

585
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:53,430
that balance and start collecting going forward.

586
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:54,930
OK.

587
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:58,430
We couldn't reallocate it to another bucket, if you will?

588
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:58,930
No.

589
00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:59,430
No?

590
00:41:59,430 --> 00:42:01,430
All right.

591
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:06,710
So along those similar lines, just

592
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:13,310
for my personal edification, when we bring on a new housing

593
00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:17,310
project, for instance, permitted, built out,

594
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:22,710
what have you, what, if any, recourse is there

595
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:27,470
for impacts on our schools?

596
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:30,710
Is there anything in any of this that we

597
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:35,700
collect that helps them offset some of the impacts

598
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:36,130
that they incur?

599
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:39,110
So there are school fees that the individual school districts

600
00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:41,000
collect on construction as well.

601
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,140
We don't have authority over that,

602
00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:46,120
which is why that's not included as part of this nexus study.

603
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,900
Oh, OK.

604
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:47,800
Got it.

605
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,540
But there is something that does get collected.

606
00:42:50,540 --> 00:42:53,400
OK, well, that's somewhat reassuring.

607
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,400
What I would also add to that is by having more units constructed

608
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,760
and having more residents, we in turn

609
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,280
are increasing property values and property taxes

610
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,960
and having more people with sales tax purposes,

611
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,800
which in turn has other intrinsic benefits

612
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,500
for the school district as well.

613
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,660
OK, got it.

614
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:16,200
Yes.

615
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,540
OK, thank you for that clarification.

616
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:20,540
That is helpful.

617
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:25,500
So just jumping back then to the first question,

618
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:30,300
I think I agree with Council Member McKillop

619
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,360
as far as a need to thoroughly evaluate where the need is

620
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,360
and if there is an opportunity to further support PD.

621
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,600
We understand that we're certainly not where

622
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,100
we want to be with our staffing and what have you,

623
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,280
but if there's other things that we

624
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,360
can do to help support their mission,

625
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,560
I think that's worthy of additional discussion.

626
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,640
With respect to the question, though, my general sense

627
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,840
is that we, collectively, all of us,

628
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:15,640
have been working in earnest to overhaul our zoning

629
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,880
over the past many months.

630
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,560
We still have some more work to do, as you well know.

631
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,740
But essentially, from my vantage point,

632
00:44:24,740 --> 00:44:28,780
I'm looking at this as part of a broader toolbox.

633
00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:34,180
What can we do to encourage more investment development

634
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,800
in the community?

635
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,540
And there's a lot, like you said.

636
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:43,000
You referenced, I believe, market forces

637
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
in the presentation.

638
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,360
We have very little control over those market forces.

639
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,580
So the parts that we do have control over,

640
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:55,400
such as what we're looking at here as far as impact fees,

641
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,800
I would want to try and make it so that it

642
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,000
continues to be an incentive to bring

643
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,740
in that additional investment.

644
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:11,680
So I think in that low to middle tier, I think,

645
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,440
is most appropriate right now from where

646
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,440
I'm sitting because I'm looking at it not in isolation.

647
00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:25,100
I'm looking at it as part of a broader initiative.

648
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:27,200
What other pieces have we been working on?

649
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,800
So when you take the zoning, for instance,

650
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,320
that's going to take time to bear fruit because we've been

651
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,780
doing that here along the way.

652
00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:38,820
That was a huge overhaul after how many decades?

653
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:40,360
I mean, some of the codes--

654
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,880
correct me if I'm wrong--

655
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,680
they were really outdated.

656
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,120
And that was one of the things that-- at least some

657
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,320
of the feedback that I have received from folks

658
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,000
is Martinez has not historically been a place where

659
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,720
people want to come and invest.

660
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,440
Some of it is because of market forces, but then some of it

661
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,520
is also because of policies that past city administrations

662
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,760
have adopted.

663
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:10,780
And so now, given where we are at this critical junction,

664
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:14,980
I think we need to tread cautiously.

665
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,820
And if I'm looking at comparison cities,

666
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:22,620
I'm looking at it as not Benicia, Hercules.

667
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:24,920
They're a little bit more similar in population.

668
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,720
Then Concord's just a whole beast unto itself.

669
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:33,410
I don't think there's an accurate way for us

670
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:35,810
to benchmark against personally.

671
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:41,900
So those are just some general thoughts that I have

672
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:43,790
as it pertains to that first question.

673
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:45,650
I hope that's helpful.

674
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:48,450
And then I would be remiss if I failed to point out we're

675
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:52,250
looking at our regular standing session tonight.

676
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:54,510
Census tracts, opportunity zones,

677
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:57,150
that's an additional tool in the toolbox.

678
00:46:57,150 --> 00:47:03,450
So I want to be able to be cognizant of we need

679
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:07,650
to be holistic In our thought process

680
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:14,370
here, if that makes sense.

681
00:47:14,530 --> 00:47:15,410
Thank you.

682
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:16,370
Thanks.

683
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:19,490
I just want to make a comment.

684
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:21,630
You both have talked about the first bullet,

685
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,170
and I just want to provide my little input

686
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:27,970
on the very last bullet about reducing or waiving fees.

687
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:32,170
I very much appreciate the comments about the public safety

688
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:36,410
fee, but I want to provide a little bit of input

689
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:39,770
from conversations that I had with other cities at the Cal

690
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:42,170
League of Cities Conference last year.

691
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:44,530
I spoke to a mayor from a city who

692
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:48,137
had had several really great housing projects built.

693
00:47:48,137 --> 00:47:49,470
And I said, how did you do this?

694
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:50,950
How did you attract people?

695
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:53,710
And he said, we waived development fees.

696
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:57,530
And so I just want us to be mindful that development impact

697
00:47:57,530 --> 00:48:00,530
fees might be something that is one of the ways

698
00:48:00,530 --> 00:48:03,770
that we can absolutely flag to people that we're

699
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:05,750
interested in attracting projects.

700
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:09,950
And so we could both, simultaneously, benchmark

701
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:13,730
ourselves at the middle or lower, but we could also say,

702
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:16,190
this is where we want our fees to ultimately be,

703
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:18,850
but on the short term, we would like to reduce or waive

704
00:48:18,850 --> 00:48:20,510
fees for various categories.

705
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:23,500
And we can talk about that of what that means,

706
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:25,290
or we could tie it to our housing element

707
00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:26,910
because that expires.

708
00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:29,430
And this one does, at least in 2031.

709
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:36,300
And so if we're trying to really spur those 1,345 housing units,

710
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:38,150
maybe that's the way to go.

711
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:41,130
So I just wanted to say that so people can think about--

712
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:42,970
that those are two different ideas,

713
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:47,330
and they can both exist at the same time.

714
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:50,330
Mayor, do we have flexibility project

715
00:48:50,330 --> 00:48:52,470
by project in how we apply our fees?

716
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:53,270
Do we know that?

717
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:54,520
That's a question for Michael.

718
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,520
I don't know.

719
00:48:56,610 --> 00:49:01,330
So we do need to apply fees consistently.

720
00:49:01,330 --> 00:49:06,510
So you can say types of projects that you want to incentivize.

721
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:09,100
And as long as there's ways that you're

722
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,450
distinguishing that-- so you could prioritize

723
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,190
multifamily projects.

724
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:16,130
You could prioritize projects that

725
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:19,650
have a certain percentage of affordable units.

726
00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:24,370
You could prioritize multifamily projects of a certain size.

727
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:26,370
There's utmost flexibility.

728
00:49:26,810 --> 00:49:28,860
You also have the ability that you

729
00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:34,620
could lock in fees for projects that are already going--

730
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:37,940
have already received entitlements so that there's not

731
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:41,792
a change beyond what they previously were envisioning.

732
00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:43,500
And this would be something going forward

733
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,140
for new projects that are submitted.

734
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:48,203
And then finally, throwing out another option--

735
00:49:48,203 --> 00:49:49,620
I mean, there's many, many options

736
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:51,162
of how the council could choose to go

737
00:49:51,162 --> 00:49:56,820
about this-- you could incentivize this for the first X

738
00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:59,460
number of units that come in, rather than it

739
00:49:59,460 --> 00:50:02,460
being an open-ended provision as well.

740
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:05,257
And when I was asking you about this last week, one

741
00:50:05,257 --> 00:50:06,840
of the other questions I said, I said,

742
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,580
could we tie it to the opportunity sites

743
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,697
that were called out in the housing element?

744
00:50:11,697 --> 00:50:12,780
Because remember, we had--

745
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:13,322
I don't know.

746
00:50:13,322 --> 00:50:15,322
Would you say 60?

747
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:16,220
20?

748
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:17,760
I don't remember the exact number,

749
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,680
but there are many, many housing element opportunity sites.

750
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,940
And they're marked on the map throughout the city

751
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:25,940
of opportunity sites.

752
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:29,797
It's a very different category than what he just mentioned,

753
00:50:29,797 --> 00:50:32,797
but that's an option, too.

754
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,500
Would you like to go?

755
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:40,300
I just don't even know where to start.

756
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:44,780
Yeah, it's a lot of moving parts.

757
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,240
I want us to be attractive to development.

758
00:50:56,980 --> 00:51:02,980
I want us to stop always being the low-cost leader.

759
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:11,980
Looking at the fee comparisons, you

760
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:19,100
think about, if we're talking about housing,

761
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:23,300
more people are going to affect transportation.

762
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:27,000
More people are going to require more around public safety.

763
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,860
And so just looking at this in the comparison,

764
00:51:30,860 --> 00:51:34,620
I still think it's an apples to oranges comparison

765
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:37,500
because different cities, and it's not

766
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:39,900
calculating full cost recovery.

767
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:45,320
We appear to be low and trailing.

768
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:51,920
So I definitely want to make us competitive with impact fees

769
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:06,120
but not to the extent where it makes us less attractive.

770
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:10,300
So this is definitely going to be something

771
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,300
that has to be nuanced.

772
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,400
And the mayor just brought up waiving.

773
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,300
I don't know why I just cringed with waiving impact

774
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:25,560
fees because it's just that to me, I mean,

775
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,260
we're losing revenue, or that could potentially

776
00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:33,560
be putting more pressure on our general fund.

777
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,160
So I don't have an answer.

778
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:43,220
This just seems it's going to have to be nuanced.

779
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,140
But I guess what oftentimes frustrates

780
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:53,140
me is that in situations like this, we're always lagging.

781
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,820
And we've got to get to a point where we're competitive

782
00:52:57,820 --> 00:53:01,420
and not giving away the store.

783
00:53:04,780 --> 00:53:06,660
I really appreciate your report.

784
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:08,840
Just for everybody's edification, Michael,

785
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,620
can you remind me why we're not using

786
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:13,620
Pleasant Hill as a comparison?

787
00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:16,500
So the consultant team actually originally

788
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:20,170
pulled information for Pleasant Hill, but it was so dissimilar.

789
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:21,990
And the reason it was so dissimilar

790
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,830
is their entire structure is different than the other cities.

791
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:29,110
They have a special district that handles all of their parks

792
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:32,390
and recreation components, which is a major component

793
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:34,510
of our current fee structure.

794
00:53:34,510 --> 00:53:37,630
So there was no ability to do an apples and apples

795
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:41,830
comparison since there are multiple entities involved.

796
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:44,950
And then also, remind me, because it

797
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:49,510
seems like we're closest in fees for the single family

798
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:51,990
fee per unit to Hercules, why are we

799
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:55,390
so close or similar to them?

800
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:57,390
Or are we?

801
00:53:58,785 --> 00:54:00,830
I don't think there's necessarily

802
00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:03,500
a reason for why we're similar to Hercules.

803
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:04,710
I think it's just that we currently

804
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:09,930
are based on previous decisions that both councils have made.

805
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:10,430
OK.

806
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:14,310
So it sounds like these are the questions you're

807
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:16,950
looking for help on, right?

808
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:20,230
So if I just go through those, I would

809
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:27,430
like to be in the low to middle comparatively to our peers.

810
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:30,790
I would like to use Hercules just

811
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:33,650
because I think they're very similar to us,

812
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:36,500
more so than Concord.

813
00:54:36,190 --> 00:54:38,210
I'm not sure about the second one.

814
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:40,350
I think I need more information on that.

815
00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:45,150
I do want to eliminate the childcare fees.

816
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:49,310
And I do support expanding the cultural fees

817
00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:51,710
to include public art.

818
00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:58,670
And I would like to reduce the fees for ADUs.

819
00:54:58,670 --> 00:55:01,150
And does it have to be 750 square feet,

820
00:55:01,150 --> 00:55:04,710
or could it be smaller at 500?

821
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:08,830
So currently, there are no impact fees charged for ADUs

822
00:55:08,830 --> 00:55:11,150
that are less than 750 square feet.

823
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:13,790
There are proportional fees that are charged for ADUs that

824
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:15,970
are 750 square feet or larger.

825
00:55:15,970 --> 00:55:17,510
So the council would have the option

826
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:20,830
that you could choose to just waive or reduce

827
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:23,910
those fees when they are charged for larger ADUs.

828
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:24,410
Very good.

829
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:28,530
So yeah, I would like to reduce those fees for the 750

830
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:30,310
square feet and above.

831
00:55:30,310 --> 00:55:36,300
And I'd like to see our single-family fee per unit

832
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:38,300
closer to Hercules.

833
00:55:38,830 --> 00:55:44,830
So I'd like to talk about making it somewhere around $13,000,

834
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:49,350
which would--

835
00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:53,550
with the elimination of the childcare fees,

836
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:55,730
I think it would really make us look good.

837
00:55:55,730 --> 00:56:00,430
And I think reducing the fees moving forward

838
00:56:00,430 --> 00:56:02,990
would help get the message out there that Martinez

839
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:05,390
is incentivizing more building.

840
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:10,830
So I think that would be important.

841
00:56:10,830 --> 00:56:13,950
Say again, what is it that is telling people that we're

842
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:15,310
were incentivizing building?

843
00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:18,110
By dropping our fees and lowering it down

844
00:56:18,110 --> 00:56:19,900
for a single family.

845
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:21,900
Oh, OK.

846
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:23,910
I think that's it.

847
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:32,100
I would note that there is-- correct me if I'm wrong.

848
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,950
I believe there is pending legislation in Sacramento right

849
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:37,630
now that speaks to this last question about,

850
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:44,830
do we want to waive the fees for ADUs over 750 square feet?

851
00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:49,670
My understanding is that it would dramatically

852
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:54,470
limit the ability of jurisdictions such as ours

853
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:59,230
to be able to charge accordingly.

854
00:57:00,350 --> 00:57:02,850
It basically would really do that.

855
00:57:02,850 --> 00:57:07,290
And I think there's some concern in some jurisdictions, I guess,

856
00:57:07,290 --> 00:57:11,490
that that may unnecessarily hamstring the jurisdiction

857
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,540
So I think there's a couple of things to point out.

858
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:21,880
So there are multiple pending bills that will potentially

859
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,280
impact development impact fees.

860
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,640
Vice Mayor Malhi, you spoke to one of them.

861
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,800
Two others I think are important to point out

862
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,680
is there's also pending legislation for--

863
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,840
and the city attorney can speak more eloquently

864
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,640
to this about the potential waiver of impact

865
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,400
fees for affordable units when there

866
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,320
is state funding that's provided associated with those projects.

867
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,280
And then finally, which was alluded

868
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,120
to as part of Megan's original presentation, legislation going

869
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,240
in the direction of collecting impact fees per square foot

870
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,640
rather than per unit.

871
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:08,740
If I could add to that.

872
00:58:08,740 --> 00:58:12,360
So the bill that was approved is AB 179, one

873
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,240
of the budget trailer bills from June.

874
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,440
Effective July 1, '27, so 11 months from now,

875
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,240
it requires state entities awarding

876
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,520
competitive affordable housing grants for multifamily projects

877
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,800
to take into account whether or not

878
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,120
the applicant, typically, the city,

879
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,680
has waived or reduced impact fees as part of the grant

880
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,640
application.

881
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,440
The headline that's been batted around

882
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,840
is that it requires cities to waive impact

883
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,775
fees for restricted affordable housing,

884
00:58:44,775 --> 00:58:45,900
and that's not quite right.

885
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:48,600
That headline is a bit too much of a collapse,

886
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,560
but it does require that waiver of affordable housing

887
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,780
fees, impact fees for affordable housing projects

888
00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:56,280
be taken into account as part of any competitive state grant

889
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,120
project.

890
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,880
And similarly, if the city does not

891
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,800
waive fees for an application, then the competitive grant award

892
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,800
has to be reduced by the amount of fees not waived.

893
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,440
So the incentive is to waive fees

894
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,400
for projects that are benefiting from state competitive grants.

895
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,280
So that's something to take into account as well,

896
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,180
but it doesn't force us to waive fees.

897
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:21,800
It preserves the policy choice for the council.

898
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,000
And, yeah, the ADU, there's 1/2 a dozen ADU bills pending,

899
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,180
as is typical this time.

900
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:28,680
And we'll see what happens.

901
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,817
But we would suggest proceeding with the policy

902
00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:31,900
choices the council wants.

903
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:38,500
And then if we have to revisit come January, we will.

904
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,800
The only other thing I just want to bring up

905
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:50,800
around the childcare fees is we should just be mindful

906
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:57,880
in future thinking, meaning that one of the things we are seeing

907
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,800
are new families coming into our community.

908
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,400
When we get the waterfront up and running,

909
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,520
that's going to draw families with younger children

910
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,780
as we do more housing, single-family housing.

911
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:21,940
So just something we may want to be mindful of.

912
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:25,400
We may not see it today, but it is coming.

913
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,640
And so we are going to, at some point,

914
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:33,400
need to be thinking about how we do accommodate young families

915
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,800
coming into our community.

916
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,600
I support you 100% And I was really disappointed when we

917
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,458
found out that it was only $8,000 because to clarify,

918
01:00:43,458 --> 01:00:45,000
we used to have a childcare facility.

919
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,540
It was a building that was owned by the city of Martinez.

920
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:49,480
It was at Murillo Park Elementary.

921
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,680
And an organization leased it from us.

922
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:56,200
And so that's what this fee was for.

923
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,200
It was to be the landlord of this small, little preschool.

924
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,960
When they did Murillo parks remodel two--

925
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,800
was it two years ago?

926
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,940
Everything's blurry.

927
01:01:04,940 --> 01:01:07,330
So it may have been three.

928
01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:10,650
But the school district asked for the property back,

929
01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:12,310
and they got rid of the preschool.

930
01:01:12,310 --> 01:01:16,900
So now we don't have literally anything, any facility

931
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:18,410
to use the childcare fees for.

932
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:23,700
I would love to see us investing in childcare infrastructure,

933
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,180
but that's different, and that's not currently on this list.

934
01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:27,930
So that's just something to be mindful of.

935
01:01:27,930 --> 01:01:28,790
What you're saying?

936
01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:30,500
100%.

937
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:31,710
But it's not the same thing as that,

938
01:01:31,710 --> 01:01:35,130
and so we may want to talk more in the future of how

939
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:38,430
we can better support childcare in the city of Martinez.

940
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:38,930
Right.

941
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:42,390
And we don't have to adopt this for a long term.

942
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:43,170
Correct?

943
01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:46,810
This can be a placeholder for now

944
01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:49,810
until we get forward till 2031.

945
01:01:52,770 --> 01:01:53,690
Correct.

946
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:56,890
So the intention is we would adopt a nexus study that

947
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:59,350
would get us through a number of years,

948
01:01:59,350 --> 01:02:03,810
but we will have to periodically update the nexus study based

949
01:02:03,810 --> 01:02:09,210
upon changing priorities of the city and city council.

950
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:17,100
If the nexus study, again, not setting what the cap of fees

951
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,510
could be, there is always the ability,

952
01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:25,850
as part of our regular and routine review of our user fee

953
01:02:25,850 --> 01:02:29,350
schedule, to make adjustments during those times

954
01:02:29,350 --> 01:02:34,170
as well as interim changes between when the fee updates are

955
01:02:34,170 --> 01:02:40,500
approved and when we do the next round of a nexus fee study.

956
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:46,650
May I just very quickly follow up on the childcare discussion?

957
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,500
Is there a stipulation in state law

958
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:55,290
that says that if a jurisdiction collects

959
01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,570
these fees, that it could only be used for infrastructure?

960
01:02:58,570 --> 01:03:04,450
Or could it also be given out as a subsidy

961
01:03:04,450 --> 01:03:09,850
to those families that meet a certain income threshold?

962
01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:14,730
Is there any discretion around that?

963
01:03:14,770 --> 01:03:17,130
Unfortunately, generally, the Mitigation Fee Act

964
01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:19,290
requires that development impact fees

965
01:03:19,290 --> 01:03:21,810
be spent on physical infrastructure

966
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:24,210
to accommodate new development.

967
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:26,570
So off the top of my head, I don't

968
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:28,597
think we would be able to put together

969
01:03:28,597 --> 01:03:30,930
that kind of an incentive program, but we'll take a look

970
01:03:30,930 --> 01:03:32,410
and confirm.

971
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:36,370
What could happen, though, without opening up

972
01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:41,130
a us going sideways, just as we have done

973
01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:44,690
some cleanup to regulations for housing and industrial zoning

974
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:46,810
incentives, as a couple of examples,

975
01:03:46,810 --> 01:03:48,650
it could be something that we could

976
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:50,930
look at our childcare regulations that

977
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:55,130
could incentivize private childcares to be established.

978
01:03:56,290 --> 01:03:57,770
I mean, I'm certainly open to that.

979
01:03:57,770 --> 01:04:01,290
And I thank Council Member Young for bringing up

980
01:04:01,290 --> 01:04:02,550
the point earlier.

981
01:04:02,550 --> 01:04:04,530
I think it's a very valid one.

982
01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:08,170
I would just say that we've already

983
01:04:08,170 --> 01:04:12,290
begun to see a lot of newer, younger families that

984
01:04:12,290 --> 01:04:17,750
have come in, particularly over the course of the pandemic.

985
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:20,690
That's something that's become readily apparent.

986
01:04:20,690 --> 01:04:24,610
Anybody who goes down Sunday's farmer's market

987
01:04:24,610 --> 01:04:26,650
can see there's a noticeable uptick

988
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:30,570
in the number of young families and strollers

989
01:04:30,570 --> 01:04:32,970
being pushed, for instance.

990
01:04:33,490 --> 01:04:39,250
And we know just how much of, gosh, an awful burden childcare

991
01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:42,650
costs are right now for a lot of working families.

992
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:47,630
And so I think it is a very valid point.

993
01:04:47,630 --> 01:04:49,350
I thank you for bringing that up.

994
01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:55,168
And, I mean, I think for now, though, I mean, it seems--

995
01:04:55,168 --> 01:04:55,710
I don't know.

996
01:04:55,710 --> 01:05:00,460
So if we eliminate it, can we get it back, I guess,

997
01:05:00,460 --> 01:05:03,460
is the question because it may not make sense now,

998
01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:05,640
but it may in the future.

999
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,380
So do we leave it as a placeholder,

1000
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,380
or what is the recommendation?

1001
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:14,980
So the fee is so low that it's never

1002
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:19,480
going to actually result in any physical improvement,

1003
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,540
unless there was a substantial increase to that fee, which

1004
01:05:24,540 --> 01:05:26,680
would be counter to what I'm hearing

1005
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,140
the majority of the council indicate that you want

1006
01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:31,140
to incentivize development.

1007
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:35,540
So staff's recommendation would be that it actually

1008
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:38,300
be eliminated at this time.

1009
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:40,980
But when the development pattern changes

1010
01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:43,880
and we do a future nexus fee study,

1011
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,500
and potentially the waterfront is revitalized at that point,

1012
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:50,660
and we see more development happening throughout the city,

1013
01:05:50,660 --> 01:05:54,380
I think then there may be different opportunities

1014
01:05:54,380 --> 01:06:00,380
to potentially re-establish that fee as a newly added fee.

1015
01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:02,800
I'm fine with that.

1016
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,460
I just didn't want the takeaway and the headline to be,

1017
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:09,860
we don't support childcare, because this

1018
01:06:09,860 --> 01:06:12,140
is a lot more nuanced discussion,

1019
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:14,500
and I don't want that to get lost here.

1020
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:16,940
So I'm comfortable with that, but I just

1021
01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:18,540
want to be on the record.

1022
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:21,840
None of us are saying, we don't care about childcare.

1023
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,540
This is not about that.

1024
01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:28,580
So I just want to state categorically for the record

1025
01:06:28,580 --> 01:06:30,960
that that is not what this vote is about.

1026
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,900
And I can add that staff hears you loud and clear

1027
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,540
that we can look at other ways to incentivize childcare

1028
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:41,140
other than it being through our impact fees.

1029
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:43,700
So if I may, one thing that was different too

1030
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:47,840
in 2003, the last time that a nexus study was done--

1031
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,640
I mean, this wasn't even just simply a city-owned facility.

1032
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,920
It was actually operated by city employees.

1033
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,620
There were city employees that were running this facility

1034
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:57,640
for a number of years.

1035
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,740
And then it shifted to a contract model.

1036
01:07:00,740 --> 01:07:03,300
And then it shifted to a lease model.

1037
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:06,420
And it was in a lease model up until its expiration

1038
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:08,620
because the school district took it back.

1039
01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:10,340
So it was a vastly different landscape

1040
01:07:10,340 --> 01:07:13,500
because it had that existing city-owned and city-run facility

1041
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:14,700
back at the time.

1042
01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:19,340
So that's the difference now as this new study was done.

1043
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:22,680
I would note that the county does run childcare facilities.

1044
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,400
There's one at Public Works, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.

1045
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,540
So I don't know.

1046
01:07:27,540 --> 01:07:31,480
But I believe it's just for the benefit of the employees there,

1047
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:32,760
but I could be mistaken.

1048
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,300
So, yeah.

1049
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:36,300
Yeah.

1050
01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:41,780
So jumping back to childcare-- since I was a single parent with

1051
01:07:41,780 --> 01:07:45,380
twins, it was a huge expense--

1052
01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:48,860
do we need to eliminate it?

1053
01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:53,660
Wouldn't this be the time to consider options?

1054
01:07:54,590 --> 01:07:57,590
You just mentioned three reiterations.

1055
01:07:59,510 --> 01:08:03,100
We had it as city staff, which maybe isn't the best.

1056
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:04,950
Then we leased it.

1057
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:06,450
We've gone through this full circle,

1058
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:07,950
and now we're going to eliminate it.

1059
01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:10,310
Is there any other out-of-the-box thinking that we

1060
01:08:10,310 --> 01:08:13,170
could support childcare through this in some way?

1061
01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:14,270
Or is there--

1062
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:18,550
Yeah, so staff had some discussions on this.

1063
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:20,970
The challenge is with impact fees,

1064
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:23,189
the intention is that when they're collected,

1065
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:27,910
they're spent in a relatively quick period of time.

1066
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:32,830
The fact that we're limited to use the funds for city

1067
01:08:32,830 --> 01:08:37,630
facilities and we have no system in place

1068
01:08:38,290 --> 01:08:41,950
to manage a childcare facility, nor do we

1069
01:08:41,950 --> 01:08:45,550
have sufficient funds to build anything,

1070
01:08:48,990 --> 01:08:54,350
I don't think there is a solution in the near term that

1071
01:08:54,350 --> 01:08:56,750
could accommodate that wish.

1072
01:08:57,229 --> 01:09:01,810
Not even working with Woodbridge or anything along those lines?

1073
01:09:01,810 --> 01:09:02,810
No, it's not city owned.

1074
01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:06,609
I think they're working out of the school district facilities.

1075
01:09:06,609 --> 01:09:08,170
We did look creatively.

1076
01:09:08,170 --> 01:09:10,990
We thought, could we do something with the Boys & Girls

1077
01:09:10,990 --> 01:09:11,970
Club as an example?

1078
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:13,830
We started looking at some other things,

1079
01:09:13,830 --> 01:09:18,750
and we didn't come up with a viable solution, unfortunately.

1080
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:22,229
One other challenge to bear in mind that's inherent in DIFs

1081
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:25,290
is the DIF pays for physical infrastructure.

1082
01:09:25,290 --> 01:09:27,510
It cannot pay for operations.

1083
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:29,189
So a childcare facility in particular

1084
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:32,950
requires both the facility and the childcare professionals

1085
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:34,510
to run it.

1086
01:09:34,510 --> 01:09:36,569
And the DIF can only fund one of those two.

1087
01:09:36,569 --> 01:09:38,690
An entirely different funding source

1088
01:09:38,690 --> 01:09:40,550
is necessary to pay for the operations.

1089
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:42,310
And so that, I think, is something

1090
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:45,270
that would be a much larger project to take a look at.

1091
01:09:45,270 --> 01:09:48,569
And the childcare fees can't go to assist the Boys & Girls Club.

1092
01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:54,550
It wouldn't be the proper use or dedicated use for the monies

1093
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:57,390
we have currently or monies we would collect in the future

1094
01:09:57,390 --> 01:10:01,630
because I'm not sure legally what the difference is

1095
01:10:01,630 --> 01:10:03,470
between the fees that we've been collecting

1096
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:05,910
and any appropriations to the Boys & Girls Club

1097
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:08,870
since it is a childcare facility, which

1098
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:11,870
is owned by the city.

1099
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:16,330
Yeah, there may be some limited application there,

1100
01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:19,790
but I guess as part of an ongoing fee

1101
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:22,710
that you're collecting that may or may not

1102
01:10:22,710 --> 01:10:28,710
have that viable capital use, it's a little bit different.

1103
01:10:29,230 --> 01:10:31,830
And that was part of the challenge in evaluating this,

1104
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:34,830
whether that might be appropriate.

1105
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,150
And again, in trying to figure out ways as part

1106
01:10:40,150 --> 01:10:42,670
the underlying theme, trying to be

1107
01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:45,430
competitive in the space with our fees.

1108
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:49,790
And occasionally, we have situations where we reduce

1109
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:52,590
or eliminate a fee, of course.

1110
01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:55,110
This was one that we haven't.

1111
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:58,350
We've continued to collect it because it's on the books,

1112
01:10:58,350 --> 01:11:01,710
and we haven't had a good application for it still.

1113
01:11:01,710 --> 01:11:06,150
So it's been a challenge still having this here.

1114
01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:10,110
And the original intent tied to that nexus study

1115
01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:12,950
from well over 20 years ago, even,

1116
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:17,270
it doesn't exist anymore for what it was originally intended

1117
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:18,830
to cover, which it did help.

1118
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:25,110
Can I propose that we ask staff to put this maybe

1119
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:27,770
on our next strategic plan discussion?

1120
01:11:27,770 --> 01:11:31,390
Because it's clear the council is interested in childcare.

1121
01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:33,750
I don't think that it's appropriate for us

1122
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:36,470
to be concerned about childcare infrastructure

1123
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:39,530
as part of the development fee discussion

1124
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:43,870
because I think it's very clear that we

1125
01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:45,700
don't know what we want to do.

1126
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:48,320
So to be collecting fees for something

1127
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,830
that we don't know what we're doing doesn't seem appropriate.

1128
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:53,000
And I think it's very appropriate to eliminate

1129
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,792
the childcare facility fee.

1130
01:11:54,792 --> 01:11:57,000
And if we can make sure that we always use the phrase

1131
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,380
childcare facility fee instead of childcare fee

1132
01:11:59,380 --> 01:12:02,160
because it goes to what you were saying,

1133
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,360
but can we have staff maybe bring

1134
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,945
that back as part of maybe an upcoming evaluation

1135
01:12:07,945 --> 01:12:10,320
of the strategic plan under the community health, safety,

1136
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,180
and well-being?

1137
01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:12,880
And if there's ways that we can evaluate

1138
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,260
supporting childcare infrastructure in the future,

1139
01:12:15,260 --> 01:12:16,843
because that's what you're getting at.

1140
01:12:16,843 --> 01:12:18,480
That's what you want on the long term.

1141
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,560
We have spent a lot of money on the Boys & Girls

1142
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,560
Club infrastructure improvements,

1143
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,320
thousands, millions.

1144
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,800
So is there a way that we can capitalize on some of these fees

1145
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,500
to help that?

1146
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:32,920
Because we didn't use these types of fees for those

1147
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,200
they came out of either ARPA or general fund.

1148
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:36,640
Yeah.

1149
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,240
If you don't mind, Michael and Mike,

1150
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,767
looking into that before we do the refund exercise,

1151
01:12:42,767 --> 01:12:44,600
check to see whether or not the Boys & Girls

1152
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,400
Club could be a potential recipient, that would be great.

1153
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,200
Yeah, and then we can discuss childcare, just

1154
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,440
general infrastructure improvements to it

1155
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:56,640
in Martinez moving forward at the future.

1156
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,520
Just by a nod of heads, everyone OK with expanding

1157
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,680
cultural facilities to include art?

1158
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:04,200
Yeah.

1159
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,100
That's OK?

1160
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:05,600
Yep.

1161
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,380
Up until this point, we've never had any fund for public art,

1162
01:13:09,380 --> 01:13:11,720
so this would be a really great opportunity

1163
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,520
to use some of the cultural fees--

1164
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,200
facility fees moving forward for any city-sponsored art

1165
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:18,960
installations.

1166
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,760
And then the phasing of the development fees

1167
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,180
feels like the easiest discussion,

1168
01:13:29,180 --> 01:13:31,780
but I don't feel strongly one way or the other.

1169
01:13:31,780 --> 01:13:34,465
And I feel like it more should correlate

1170
01:13:34,465 --> 01:13:35,840
to whatever we decide the answers

1171
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,220
to the first and last bullets are.

1172
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:41,180
Yeah, I guess that's my question.

1173
01:13:41,180 --> 01:13:45,600
I hate to go back to these fee comparisons per unit.

1174
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,340
So we've done our full cost recovery.

1175
01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:50,220
We have that.

1176
01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:56,220
But looking at the cities that we are benchmarking against,

1177
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,280
these do not include their full cost recovery

1178
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,200
because we don't know that.

1179
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,800
But assuming that they did theirs,

1180
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,960
theirs would probably be increased.

1181
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,420
So we're still lagging.

1182
01:14:13,903 --> 01:14:15,320
Well, it depends on whether or not

1183
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:20,800
you think lagging is good or bad because I would argue it's good.

1184
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,120
Even at full cost recovery, we will still

1185
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,520
be trailing the cities.

1186
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:31,760
And so what I'm saying is with a full cost recovery for us

1187
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:37,340
and we are still trailing, that is probably a good look for us.

1188
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:37,840
Yeah.

1189
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,240
If development attracting development

1190
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,100
is what we're going for, it's OK.

1191
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:44,440
And this is our number.

1192
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:45,500
Yeah, or less.

1193
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:48,470
I mean, full cost recovery, again, is the highest marker.

1194
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:49,380
Yeah, that's the highest marker.

1195
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:53,520
We have the ability to raise it some smaller percentage.

1196
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,140
And I think it is a good look for us, particularly--

1197
01:14:56,140 --> 01:14:58,800
I think it's very important to remember

1198
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,720
that we're not the only ones looking at these cost

1199
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:02,500
comparisons.

1200
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:05,780
It's the developers that do this exact same thing.

1201
01:15:05,780 --> 01:15:06,280
Absolutely.

1202
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:06,580
Right.

1203
01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:08,800
And so that's where I would really

1204
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,400
like us to be able to say, we are lowering our fees

1205
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,162
and stand out that way.

1206
01:15:13,162 --> 01:15:14,620
Well, I don't want to say lowering.

1207
01:15:14,620 --> 01:15:19,400
I just want to say we are maximizing

1208
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,400
our fees in comparison to--

1209
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,360
Well, we will be lowering our fees because we're

1210
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,360
eliminating childcare fees.

1211
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,720
And we will be doing other things

1212
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,720
like reducing the ADU fees.

1213
01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:37,420
If we agree on that, that would be lowering it.

1214
01:15:37,420 --> 01:15:40,530
And then I'd like to see the single-family per-unit fees

1215
01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:43,530
lowered from $14,000, which is existing,

1216
01:15:44,170 --> 01:15:49,350
to be closer to Hercules so it's more like $13,000.

1217
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:53,590
Yeah, based on this, we don't have to lower our fees.

1218
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:54,590
I just want to be clear.

1219
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:56,530
We don't have to lower fees.

1220
01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:58,500
That's what I'm advocating for.

1221
01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:58,990
But we don't have to.

1222
01:15:58,990 --> 01:15:59,410
Yeah.

1223
01:15:59,410 --> 01:16:01,630
We don't have to, but that's what we're here to discuss.

1224
01:16:01,630 --> 01:16:03,170
And I think it's important that that

1225
01:16:03,170 --> 01:16:06,550
is what is seen by developers when they go,

1226
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:10,330
should I go to Pleasant Hill, Hercules, Benicia, or Concord?

1227
01:16:10,330 --> 01:16:10,830
Look what.

1228
01:16:10,830 --> 01:16:11,490
Martinez--

1229
01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:12,830
If you look at the totality--

1230
01:16:12,830 --> 01:16:15,490
Can I have Michael-- do you want to provide--

1231
01:16:15,490 --> 01:16:19,470
Yeah, so this is an obvious statement,

1232
01:16:19,470 --> 01:16:22,170
but I think it's important to say.

1233
01:16:22,170 --> 01:16:27,770
So I do think full cost recovery is somewhat misleading

1234
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:31,250
because it's cost recovery assuming we actually

1235
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:33,250
have development happen.

1236
01:16:33,290 --> 01:16:36,130
If we don't have development happen,

1237
01:16:36,130 --> 01:16:38,770
the fees can be as high as we want.

1238
01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:41,610
We won't actually bring in any money.

1239
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:46,410
And so it is about balance, and it

1240
01:16:47,530 --> 01:16:53,190
is about setting them at a rate where we see development.

1241
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:53,690
So we--

1242
01:16:53,690 --> 01:16:55,110
It's all perception, right?

1243
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:56,170
Correct.

1244
01:16:56,170 --> 01:16:56,970
Yeah.

1245
01:16:56,970 --> 01:16:59,570
It's about what is perceived.

1246
01:16:59,570 --> 01:17:01,610
If we're perceived to be lowering our fees,

1247
01:17:01,610 --> 01:17:03,700
then we will look better.

1248
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:03,570
Correct.

1249
01:17:03,570 --> 01:17:07,650
And I also think it's important to note

1250
01:17:07,650 --> 01:17:11,250
we are competitive with Benicia currently.

1251
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:16,890
And, Jay, we don't always have to charge

1252
01:17:16,890 --> 01:17:19,350
the highest amount of the fees, as we had mentioned.

1253
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:24,590
And we can have the charges lessened if we choose to.

1254
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:26,290
But this is the highest.

1255
01:17:26,290 --> 01:17:28,830
So you can choose to have them lower.

1256
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:29,330
Correct.

1257
01:17:29,330 --> 01:17:30,530
Yeah.

1258
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:32,410
I would like Council Member Young

1259
01:17:32,410 --> 01:17:36,873
to try to convince me more along what you have been--

1260
01:17:36,873 --> 01:17:39,290
you were looking very frustrated in saying that you do not

1261
01:17:39,290 --> 01:17:40,550
want to lower the fees.

1262
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:46,410
I'm very supportive of waiving impact fees for a short duration

1263
01:17:46,410 --> 01:17:51,850
as we're trying to spur growth and development in Martinez.

1264
01:17:51,850 --> 01:17:54,710
And that seemed to very much not excite you.

1265
01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:56,910
Can you elaborate on that?

1266
01:17:56,910 --> 01:17:58,570
And what would you be comfortable

1267
01:17:58,570 --> 01:18:00,830
with along these discussions?

1268
01:18:00,830 --> 01:18:02,730
The idea of lowering fees versus--

1269
01:18:02,730 --> 01:18:07,530
to me, waiving fees is a temporary incentive.

1270
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:10,950
Keeping them low and not raising them,

1271
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:12,570
that becomes a permanent incentive.

1272
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:18,900
Again, I'm just looking at based on full recovery cost,

1273
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:22,470
we are still trailing our sister cities, even if we max out,

1274
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:24,410
unless I'm missing something.

1275
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:25,440
What number is lagging?

1276
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:29,640
Can you clarify what you're talking about?

1277
01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:36,610
I am looking at our fee comparison of $24,227.

1278
01:18:39,250 --> 01:18:43,450
And again, looking at our comparison cities,

1279
01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:47,210
these aren't their updated numbers, right?

1280
01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:51,450
We're not sure, are we?

1281
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:52,910
They're current numbers.

1282
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:56,530
So what I'm hearing Council Member Young say is

1283
01:18:56,530 --> 01:19:00,100
for single-family homes, using that as an example, currently,

1284
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:03,510
we charge about $14,000 in development impact fees.

1285
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:08,450
If we set the fee based on the nexus study and analysis that

1286
01:19:08,450 --> 01:19:12,970
has currently been done, they could go up to about $24,000.

1287
01:19:12,970 --> 01:19:17,770
$24,000 is still $2,000 less than what Benicia currently has.

1288
01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:20,450
Exactly.

1289
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:24,650
But to clarify, it is significantly higher.

1290
01:19:24,730 --> 01:19:27,130
It's 200% more than Hercules.

1291
01:19:30,980 --> 01:19:34,450
$24,000 to $12,000, that is very much not lagging.

1292
01:19:34,450 --> 01:19:34,920
But wait, wait, wait.

1293
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,720
That's because they don't have parkland dedication fees.

1294
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,320
They don't have marina and waterfront.

1295
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:43,220
Yes, exactly.

1296
01:19:43,220 --> 01:19:46,980
The reason that it is cheaper to build in Hercules

1297
01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:48,675
is because they have fewer developments.

1298
01:19:48,675 --> 01:19:49,800
That's what we're talking--

1299
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,600
And so are we saying they aren't going through the same process

1300
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,520
that we're going through in looking at full recovery,

1301
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,400
but they don't have different categories like public safety?

1302
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,590
Or am I assuming that they're going--

1303
01:20:02,590 --> 01:20:03,840
We're not required to do this.

1304
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,200
So we're looking at fees at a point in time.

1305
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,100
Every jurisdiction is on their own schedule with when

1306
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:12,680
those fees will be updated.

1307
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,340
So we could do an update now and set ourselves

1308
01:20:15,340 --> 01:20:16,880
at a particular point.

1309
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,820
And then one of these other jurisdictions

1310
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:22,600
could turn around and, a couple months later, change their fees.

1311
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:23,100
So--

1312
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,580
It could go either way.

1313
01:20:24,580 --> 01:20:25,433
--it could go either way.

1314
01:20:25,433 --> 01:20:27,600
And to answer the question that's inherent in there,

1315
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:32,500
there is no required timeline to update these fees.

1316
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:34,220
OK.

1317
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:35,420
OK.

1318
01:20:35,420 --> 01:20:38,420
It feels like the pay for police officers, every time we

1319
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:39,988
hit this mark, they go to here.

1320
01:20:39,988 --> 01:20:41,280
We go to here, they go to here.

1321
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,200
So it's always jockeying back and forth.

1322
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,860
Which is why we would do the nexus

1323
01:20:45,860 --> 01:20:48,360
study, which would set the maximum that they could be at.

1324
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,960
And we can periodically modify what

1325
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,860
our rates are based on our regular and routine updates

1326
01:20:55,860 --> 01:20:57,725
to our user fee schedules.

1327
01:20:57,725 --> 01:20:59,100
And I think another thing we have

1328
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:02,420
to remember this is short term.

1329
01:21:02,420 --> 01:21:04,800
It's not forever.

1330
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,760
And we can use these, what does come in, and we can gauge those.

1331
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:09,560
This one works.

1332
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,270
This one doesn't.

1333
01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:12,520
This one needs to be modified and needs to be lowered,

1334
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,977
or this one needs to be raised by what has worked,

1335
01:21:14,977 --> 01:21:17,600
what has brought in revenue, what has brought in--

1336
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:22,400
So based on this scenario and this education, thank you.

1337
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:26,100
I would say we stay at the $14,000.

1338
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:27,480
I don't want to move that.

1339
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:32,280
I do not want to waive or lower.

1340
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,280
We are getting near the end of the workshop.

1341
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,770
And I just realized I hadn't opened

1342
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:40,160
this up to public comment.

1343
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,188
I apologize for those of you who are here.

1344
01:21:42,188 --> 01:21:43,980
Would anyone like to provide public comment

1345
01:21:43,980 --> 01:21:45,120
on this discussion?

1346
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,520
Craig, come on up.

1347
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:59,540
All right, I really enjoyed this discussion, a very important

1348
01:21:59,540 --> 01:22:02,460
discussion, and really glad to hear the sentiment

1349
01:22:02,460 --> 01:22:05,420
on the council seems to be toward doing

1350
01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:09,200
what we need to do with these fees to stimulate development

1351
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,900
and to help solve our housing crisis

1352
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:13,140
or address it in a meaningful way, which I think

1353
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:16,860
is an important dynamic because I don't think we would have

1354
01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:19,600
necessarily heard that four years ago or eight years ago.

1355
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,820
And I think it indicates how the political winds on this issue

1356
01:22:22,820 --> 01:22:24,820
are changing.

1357
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,260
I wanted to suggest off the top about this issue of waiving

1358
01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:34,120
fees versus lowering fees, we need affordable housing.

1359
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,120
We need a low-income housing more than anything,

1360
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,600
and that's the toughest housing to build.

1361
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,260
I would suggest waiving the development fees

1362
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:45,200
for any projects that hit a certain threshold

1363
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,960
of affordable housing that goes beyond the minimum

1364
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,700
because to the extent that we're getting any development going

1365
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:53,780
at all in the city, which is very little,

1366
01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:56,700
it tends to be the bare minimum, the 20%.

1367
01:22:56,700 --> 01:23:00,900
If we can get 100% affordable unit project

1368
01:23:01,140 --> 01:23:03,660
in Martinez, which could be a real game changer, which we're

1369
01:23:03,660 --> 01:23:07,460
seeing in some other cities, we should definitely waive the fees

1370
01:23:07,460 --> 01:23:09,500
if that will make it happen.

1371
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:12,420
That could make a huge dent in this issue.

1372
01:23:12,420 --> 01:23:14,920
I think this fixation on comparisons,

1373
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,380
where we stand comparing to other jurisdictions,

1374
01:23:18,380 --> 01:23:22,420
is a bit of a distraction because the reality is

1375
01:23:22,420 --> 01:23:24,430
we're not getting the development we need

1376
01:23:24,430 --> 01:23:27,830
with the fees where they're at.

1377
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:30,700
Almost all of our affordable housing growth

1378
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:31,630
is in ADUs right now.

1379
01:23:31,630 --> 01:23:34,930
We're not getting developers to come to Martinez.

1380
01:23:34,930 --> 01:23:37,850
It doesn't matter where we stand compared to Benicia,

1381
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:39,850
Pleasant Hill, Hercules.

1382
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:43,110
We're not getting people to come to Martinez.

1383
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:46,790
And we can't solve the housing crisis that way.

1384
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:49,970
OK, so if waiving them will get people to come to Martinez,

1385
01:23:49,970 --> 01:23:51,350
we definitely should do it.

1386
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:54,150
I also want to push back--

1387
01:23:54,150 --> 01:23:58,910
sorry, Councilman Young-- a bit on some of your comments

1388
01:23:58,910 --> 01:24:02,510
about cost recovery and the burden

1389
01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:07,450
that new population growth puts on the city.

1390
01:24:07,450 --> 01:24:09,470
I don't think that's always the case.

1391
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:12,390
Look at the amount of resources our police department

1392
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:14,950
uses on issues regarding the unhoused.

1393
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:18,590
The unhoused is an extension of the housing crisis.

1394
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:23,390
If we built more affordable, very low-income housing

1395
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:27,700
and could put a dent in the homeless issue,

1396
01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:29,550
that would take a burden off the police.

1397
01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:32,730
That wouldn't add to the police's burden.

1398
01:24:32,730 --> 01:24:35,150
That would take a burden off them.

1399
01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:36,710
Transportation, if we could make it

1400
01:24:36,710 --> 01:24:40,370
so that more people could work where they live,

1401
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:42,310
could live in Martinez instead of having

1402
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:45,990
to commute in and out of Martinez all the time, that

1403
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:50,790
could take a burden off our transportation infrastructure.

1404
01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:54,650
As far as young families coming into Martinez,

1405
01:24:54,650 --> 01:24:57,182
I don't see the data to support that.

1406
01:24:57,182 --> 01:24:59,390
The last data I saw from the Martinez School District

1407
01:24:59,390 --> 01:25:03,590
was that student enrollment is down 9% or 10%

1408
01:25:03,630 --> 01:25:05,700
since the pandemic.

1409
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:07,570
So maybe we're seeing anecdotal evidence,

1410
01:25:07,570 --> 01:25:09,100
but I'm not seeing the data.

1411
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:10,350
If you have data, I don't think people--

1412
01:25:10,350 --> 01:25:10,850
Time's up.

1413
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:12,870
--can afford to live in places like Martinez.

1414
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:14,870
Thank you.

1415
01:25:15,150 --> 01:25:15,890
Thanks, Craig.

1416
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:19,390
Just one quick data point on the school district.

1417
01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:21,670
They did say enrollment is down, but when

1418
01:25:21,670 --> 01:25:24,770
they're taking into account TK students,

1419
01:25:24,770 --> 01:25:26,550
it's ticking back up again.

1420
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:28,420
But--

1421
01:25:28,420 --> 01:25:29,250
I'll take a look at the data.

1422
01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:31,250
Sure.

1423
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:33,730
Anyone else in the room this evening

1424
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:36,390
who'd like to provide public comment on our workshop

1425
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:38,390
discussion tonight?

1426
01:25:40,145 --> 01:25:41,770
OK, thank you, Craig, for the comments.

1427
01:25:41,770 --> 01:25:42,790
We appreciate it.

1428
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:44,670
OK, let's bring it back.

1429
01:25:44,670 --> 01:25:46,730
Oh, I'm so sorry.

1430
01:25:46,730 --> 01:25:48,900
Yes, right.

1431
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:49,470
Do we have people online?

1432
01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:50,210
I have someone.

1433
01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:51,710
So if that person would like to make

1434
01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:53,910
a public comment on this item, please use the Raise Hand

1435
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:55,910
feature.

1436
01:25:59,927 --> 01:26:01,100
All right, I have no hand.

1437
01:26:01,100 --> 01:26:01,510
No hands?

1438
01:26:01,510 --> 01:26:02,470
OK, great.

1439
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:06,630
All right, so for the last 15 minutes of this meeting,

1440
01:26:06,630 --> 01:26:08,890
I'd love to get some thoughts.

1441
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:13,230
I feel like we came in with our opinions

1442
01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:16,830
on the benchmarking and the waiver,

1443
01:26:17,570 --> 01:26:20,720
and I'm not sure we've convinced each other necessarily

1444
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,720
through this discussion.

1445
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:26,560
So maybe how about we go just down the line and just

1446
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,340
provide some thoughts on that first and last bullet?

1447
01:26:29,340 --> 01:26:33,540
So just on benchmarking and potential waiving.

1448
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,360
Do you want to start, Jay?

1449
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:40,000
Go ahead.

1450
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,800
Go ahead.

1451
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:42,800
Oh, I see.

1452
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:42,580
Got it.

1453
01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:45,580
Yeah, why don't you start?

1454
01:26:49,462 --> 01:26:50,920
We're in the middle of the meeting,

1455
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,560
so you can come back when we're done with this meeting.

1456
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,567
We're having a meeting now.

1457
01:26:55,567 --> 01:26:57,900
We do start at 7:00, but we're having a workshop before,

1458
01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:59,640
so if you don't--

1459
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:00,460
yeah, OK.

1460
01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:02,320
Thank you.

1461
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:08,320
OK, for benchmarking, I do know that different cities have

1462
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,420
different needs and resources, different opportunity zones,

1463
01:27:11,420 --> 01:27:14,140
a whole bunch of different things, marinas, no marinas.

1464
01:27:14,140 --> 01:27:16,300
So it's hard to gauge a benchmark,

1465
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:20,520
but I would like to see us at least in the middle section

1466
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,760
of the comparison if we were comparing.

1467
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,760
And then just to answer the question

1468
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,420
because I didn't do that, I'm good with the second question.

1469
01:27:28,420 --> 01:27:31,540
I like to phase it in 75/25 if we get to that point

1470
01:27:31,540 --> 01:27:34,400
because that's what we've been utilizing in the past for any

1471
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,960
fees that we've adopted.

1472
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,600
And then let's see.

1473
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,980
The last one for the ADUs, last question,

1474
01:27:39,980 --> 01:27:43,920
yeah, I am definitely in support of waiving the fees for ADUs

1475
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,640
that are over 750 square feet.

1476
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,512
And I don't know what the maximum is,

1477
01:27:48,512 --> 01:27:50,720
but we can discuss that at a future meeting, whatever

1478
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:54,100
the maximum square feet is for an ADU.

1479
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:56,820
Is it 500 or 1,200 or something?

1480
01:27:56,820 --> 01:27:59,920
The maximum size of ADUs as per our ordinance is 1,200 square

1481
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:00,720
feet.

1482
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,980
OK, so I would definitely consider waiving some of those.

1483
01:28:04,980 --> 01:28:09,280
But I definitely do feel that we should,

1484
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,600
if we come to a consensus, really

1485
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,120
try to attract act developers so that these fees would actually

1486
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:16,740
be collected.

1487
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:18,120
If we don't have a development, there's

1488
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:19,600
no fees that are being collected.

1489
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,920
And in particular, trying to incentivize

1490
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,385
the low-income housing component because I think

1491
01:28:24,385 --> 01:28:25,760
there's a lot of people out there

1492
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,520
that are in need of housing.

1493
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,560
And low-income housing is housing

1494
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,500
that would be for a teacher or for a student.

1495
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:35,000
These are people that are holding

1496
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,520
jobs that really can't afford housing because things

1497
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:38,720
are so expensive.

1498
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,280
So I would definitely support that as well.

1499
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,280
So next.

1500
01:28:48,230 --> 01:28:48,980
Do you want to go?

1501
01:28:48,980 --> 01:28:49,855
Do you want me to go?

1502
01:28:49,855 --> 01:28:50,540
You can go.

1503
01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:55,940
All right, so I support middle or lower end.

1504
01:28:56,260 --> 01:29:00,000
I also recognize that benchmarking to our other cities

1505
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,880
is somewhat misleading, and so I'm not sure.

1506
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,440
I don't think that should be our priority.

1507
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:09,800
I appreciate your comment that other user fee schedules do

1508
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:10,530
75/25.

1509
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:11,720
That's a perfectly fine way of doing it.

1510
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:12,312
No problem.

1511
01:29:12,312 --> 01:29:14,520
And then I'm just going to reiterate that I very much

1512
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,680
support waiving impact fees.

1513
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:21,660
So I support waiving impact fees for ADUs over 750.

1514
01:29:21,660 --> 01:29:24,680
But I do want to acknowledge that just because ADUs

1515
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,720
are the only thing that is being built, that means

1516
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:29,760
that, why would we be incentivizing the one

1517
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,385
thing that people are already building?

1518
01:29:31,385 --> 01:29:33,920
So I also want us to think about what other things

1519
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,320
that we can incentivize.

1520
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,920
You asked about multifamily.

1521
01:29:39,340 --> 01:29:42,240
And while I support multifamily, absolutely, I also

1522
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,440
want us to think about smaller multifamily,

1523
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:47,560
like duplexes and triplexes, because we've all

1524
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,320
talked about how Martinez is basically--

1525
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,600
infill housing is what's left.

1526
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,800
And so I don't want us to be incentivizing ADUs and then

1527
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:56,840
really large complexes with nothing

1528
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,560
in between because we might find that the best thing that we can

1529
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,640
incentivize right now are some of the newer complexes

1530
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,920
that have been built that have between 6 and 12 units,

1531
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:06,980
something like that.

1532
01:30:06,980 --> 01:30:08,940
So I want us to think about that.

1533
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:10,890
So I would love to see staff come back

1534
01:30:10,890 --> 01:30:14,890
with some suggestions and potential innovative solutions

1535
01:30:14,890 --> 01:30:17,730
for waiving for a short duration, maybe just

1536
01:30:17,730 --> 01:30:20,770
through the end of our housing element,

1537
01:30:20,770 --> 01:30:25,510
for some specific categories that we could incentivize.

1538
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:28,650
And I also very much support the opportunity sites

1539
01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:29,550
that I mentioned.

1540
01:30:29,550 --> 01:30:31,835
I think we should absolutely include those.

1541
01:30:31,835 --> 01:30:33,210
That would incentivize the people

1542
01:30:33,210 --> 01:30:35,610
that have the great properties that are just

1543
01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:37,370
sitting there empty that they might be

1544
01:30:37,370 --> 01:30:39,770
interested in developing those.

1545
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:43,650
Did that help?

1546
01:30:43,650 --> 01:30:44,530
Sure.

1547
01:30:44,530 --> 01:30:46,370
Go ahead.

1548
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:49,650
So question one, looking at benchmark,

1549
01:30:49,650 --> 01:30:52,970
I support being in the middle.

1550
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:57,170
Number two, I'm fine with the 75%, 25% approach.

1551
01:30:59,450 --> 01:31:06,500
And I am OK with waiving impact fees for ADUs over 750.

1552
01:31:07,130 --> 01:31:07,710
Let's see.

1553
01:31:07,710 --> 01:31:12,570
So for me, I would like to see us in the low end comparatively

1554
01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:14,570
to our peers.

1555
01:31:14,690 --> 01:31:17,250
I do like using the benchmark because I

1556
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:21,130
believe developers use that benchmark to look at as well.

1557
01:31:21,130 --> 01:31:23,250
And I want us to shine.

1558
01:31:23,250 --> 01:31:25,170
When the developers are thinking about,

1559
01:31:25,170 --> 01:31:27,950
where should we go, I want them to see Martinez.

1560
01:31:27,950 --> 01:31:31,310
And I want them to see that we have recently lowered our fees,

1561
01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:33,970
so I would like to bring our fees down.

1562
01:31:33,970 --> 01:31:37,570
I do like the 75% to 25% schedule.

1563
01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:45,370
I absolutely support eliminating childcare fees for entities

1564
01:31:45,370 --> 01:31:47,810
that we don't even have anymore.

1565
01:31:47,810 --> 01:31:51,410
I 100% support childcare across the board.

1566
01:31:52,290 --> 01:31:54,630
But in this particular situation,

1567
01:31:54,630 --> 01:31:57,130
we no longer have that facility, so there's

1568
01:31:57,130 --> 01:32:00,890
no reason to charge fees for something we don't provide.

1569
01:32:00,890 --> 01:32:06,410
I do really support public art, and I think cultural facility

1570
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:09,410
fees are OK for that.

1571
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:13,730
I wouldn't mind waiving fees for ADUs.

1572
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:16,890
I don't think that's a bad idea, but I

1573
01:32:16,890 --> 01:32:20,500
could be talked out of that.

1574
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:22,330
And I think that covers it.

1575
01:32:22,330 --> 01:32:24,470
Do you support reducing or waiving fees?

1576
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:28,700
Yes, I do support reducing fees.

1577
01:32:28,490 --> 01:32:29,590
Is that clear enough?

1578
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:35,590
So, Jay, just to clarify, though, for me, reducing fees

1579
01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:38,210
is not the same thing as waiving.

1580
01:32:38,210 --> 01:32:40,970
And so how do you feel about waiving fees?

1581
01:32:40,970 --> 01:32:43,450
I was talking about other potential categories.

1582
01:32:43,450 --> 01:32:48,700
I feel that waiving fees addresses your concern.

1583
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:50,390
How do you feel about that for more than just ADUs?

1584
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:52,270
No, I think that that's very important,

1585
01:32:52,270 --> 01:32:55,610
but I would like to hear more information on what we would be

1586
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:58,100
reducing fees for specifically.

1587
01:32:59,500 --> 01:33:01,210
I don't think it should be a blanket thing.

1588
01:33:01,210 --> 01:33:06,100
I do appreciate Greg's point that we still

1589
01:33:06,570 --> 01:33:11,370
have to be mindful of the general fund.

1590
01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:15,810
But I think it is important that--

1591
01:33:15,810 --> 01:33:17,890
It's all about perception.

1592
01:33:17,890 --> 01:33:21,690
And so when these developers see this headline,

1593
01:33:21,690 --> 01:33:25,350
Martinez is reducing fees, I think that's important,

1594
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:27,170
and it will catch their eye.

1595
01:33:27,170 --> 01:33:30,610
I think it's important that if we are doing benchmarks,

1596
01:33:30,610 --> 01:33:36,510
which I do support, I would like us to be just above Hercules.

1597
01:33:36,510 --> 01:33:40,810
So I would like to see our Martinez existing single-family

1598
01:33:40,810 --> 01:33:44,370
fee come down, and I wouldn't mind seeing it somewhere around

1599
01:33:44,370 --> 01:33:46,250
$13,000.

1600
01:33:46,250 --> 01:33:49,510
So if you want an exact number, there you go.

1601
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:50,100
Great.

1602
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:51,770
Go ahead.

1603
01:33:51,770 --> 01:33:54,450
OK, thank you very much.

1604
01:33:54,450 --> 01:33:59,850
So I would definitely feel like low to middle

1605
01:33:59,890 --> 01:34:02,300
is where we need to be.

1606
01:34:02,300 --> 01:34:04,780
I think we want to make ourselves as attractive as we

1607
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:07,160
can in this regard.

1608
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,180
But I also think it's critical for us

1609
01:34:09,180 --> 01:34:12,700
to think and look and see, the mayor referenced,

1610
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:16,220
there are cities that have had a tremendous amount of success

1611
01:34:16,220 --> 01:34:19,220
in bringing new investment development

1612
01:34:20,540 --> 01:34:21,828
into their communities.

1613
01:34:21,828 --> 01:34:23,120
We ought to be looking at them.

1614
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,560
What are they doing?

1615
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,340
And I think she alluded to the fact

1616
01:34:26,340 --> 01:34:28,740
that one of the things that they did

1617
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:33,540
was this targeted waiver, perhaps, of impact fees.

1618
01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:38,260
I don't necessarily know if it makes sense

1619
01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:41,900
across the board for every single project that would come.

1620
01:34:41,900 --> 01:34:45,240
Like Council Member Howard, I think it really just depends.

1621
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,220
And I would want to get some more information.

1622
01:34:49,220 --> 01:34:52,380
For 100% affordable project, if that were to come to us

1623
01:34:52,380 --> 01:34:57,380
and if that's what it takes to get that project over the hump,

1624
01:34:57,380 --> 01:34:58,920
for sure, sign me up for that.

1625
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,000
I think that makes a lot of sense.

1626
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,800
Workforce housing?

1627
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:03,220
Absolutely.

1628
01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:09,100
But if we have a project which is majority market rate and just

1629
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:11,100
meets the bare minimum qualification

1630
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:14,180
for affordable housing, that maybe I'm

1631
01:35:14,180 --> 01:35:16,320
going to be a little less hesitant on.

1632
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,140
I think that there ought to be something

1633
01:35:20,140 --> 01:35:21,642
that needs to be brought in.

1634
01:35:21,642 --> 01:35:23,600
So I think it needs to be targeted in that way.

1635
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,460
But I think we need to be looking at, rather

1636
01:35:26,460 --> 01:35:31,460
than the benchmark comparison, open it up and just

1637
01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:34,475
see what the cities in the Bay Area,

1638
01:35:34,475 --> 01:35:36,600
elsewhere in the state-- what have they been doing?

1639
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:40,300
What are the tools that have brought them

1640
01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:43,200
some success in this area?

1641
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:44,500
So that's what I would say.

1642
01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:48,300
As far as the last piece, yes, I'm

1643
01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:50,740
fine with that in terms of waiving them

1644
01:35:50,740 --> 01:35:53,740
for ADUs over 750 square feet.

1645
01:35:53,980 --> 01:35:56,000
Like I said, there's legislation,

1646
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,860
as we talked about earlier, that may make this all a moot point

1647
01:36:00,860 --> 01:36:02,800
in the near future.

1648
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,280
But if I'm being asked today, right now,

1649
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,100
while that legislation is still pending, sure.

1650
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:11,400
All right, we've got 1 and 1/2 minutes.

1651
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:13,800
Any final 30-second comments?

1652
01:36:14,540 --> 01:36:17,180
I think it's really important that we remember this

1653
01:36:17,180 --> 01:36:18,640
doesn't have to be permanent.

1654
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,400
It's a fluid situation.

1655
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,400
And again, we can come back and revisit this in the near future,

1656
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,700
and we can decide what's working and what's not.

1657
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:30,860
Can staff summarize what we heard from the majority

1658
01:36:30,860 --> 01:36:33,140
of the city council?

1659
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:37,600
OK, so what I heard from the majority of the city council

1660
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,620
is looking at the low to mid-range

1661
01:36:39,620 --> 01:36:43,220
for the fees for staff, including

1662
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:50,540
planning division, to work with the chief of police

1663
01:36:50,540 --> 01:36:52,660
and the Public Works director to look

1664
01:36:52,660 --> 01:36:54,780
at potential additional items that

1665
01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:58,460
could be included as part of the nexus fee study

1666
01:36:58,460 --> 01:37:01,460
that address public safety issues.

1667
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:05,700
To eliminate the childcare facility fees,

1668
01:37:05,940 --> 01:37:09,620
but to look in the future at other ways to incentivize

1669
01:37:09,620 --> 01:37:12,940
and specifically look at the possibility of bringing back

1670
01:37:12,940 --> 01:37:15,600
a further childcare infrastructure

1671
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,940
discussion as potentially part of the strategic plan

1672
01:37:17,940 --> 01:37:21,540
or another path that's deemed appropriate.

1673
01:37:22,940 --> 01:37:26,540
Prior to refunding the current fees

1674
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:33,500
associated with the childcare facility fees,

1675
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:36,940
for staff to relook at the possibility of potentially using

1676
01:37:36,940 --> 01:37:41,600
the remaining balance for the Boys & Girls Club.

1677
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,460
There's general support for expanding

1678
01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:46,720
the cultural facilities fee to include public art

1679
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,260
and ensuring that the nexus fee study addresses that issue.

1680
01:37:51,260 --> 01:37:56,110
For any fee increases, there is a general support

1681
01:37:56,110 --> 01:38:01,250
for an initial 75% increase and then 25% the second year

1682
01:38:01,250 --> 01:38:03,150
for consistency with other fee updates

1683
01:38:03,150 --> 01:38:05,910
that the city has implemented.

1684
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:10,310
That there's general support for waiving impact fees

1685
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:13,750
for all ADUs, so adding in ADUs that

1686
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:16,630
are 750 square feet or larger.

1687
01:38:16,630 --> 01:38:21,710
And for staff to bring back, as a future discussion,

1688
01:38:21,710 --> 01:38:25,890
alternatives in terms of fee reduction or waiver options,

1689
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:28,550
looking further at what other jurisdictions are doing,

1690
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:30,910
and that would be a subsequent action.

1691
01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:32,490
Does that sound good, everybody?

1692
01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:32,990
Great.

1693
01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:34,130
Thank you for summarizing.

1694
01:38:34,130 --> 01:38:34,838
Much appreciated.

1695
01:38:34,838 --> 01:38:36,505
All right, with that, thank you to those

1696
01:38:36,505 --> 01:38:37,730
who came to participate.

1697
01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:39,630
And thank you for the presentation.

1698
01:38:39,630 --> 01:38:40,918
And this meeting is adjourned.

1699
01:38:40,918 --> 01:38:42,710
And I'll give everyone a five-minute break,

1700
01:38:42,710 --> 01:38:45,110
and we will come back for our regularly scheduled evening

1701
01:38:45,110 --> 01:38:45,650
meeting.

1702
01:38:45,650 --> 01:38:47,470
Thank you.

1703
01:38:47,470 --> 01:38:49,470
[CHUCKLES]

1704
01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:53,870
Recording stopped.