1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,319 a new line. For obvious reasons, he couldn't get out of his house and get 2 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:07,319 here this evening. 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:14,160 » Told him do not put yourself in peril as we were kind of on the fence today as to 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,520 whether or not we would be able to get a quorum meeting. I do appreciate you all 5 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:21,880 being here. Uh to get started, I would ask that everyone stand up for the 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,880 pledge. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:28,960 I pledge >> to the flag of the United States of 8 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:34,399 America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:40,320 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:44,440 » Pastor Freddy has a ridge line. What's that? 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,440 » He has a ridge line. 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,360 » Yeah. Um, and so Miss Barbara also could not 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:56,160 make it here tonight. No, Christa couldn't make it here. Raven had to get 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:01:01,199 home. Uh, as far as support staff were were short-handed, but again, thank you 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,840 all for being here. Um, had Dustin, our city attorney, looked over, he said we 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,320 can go forward with the meeting as we do have some important business that we 17 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:12,880 needed to discuss. Um, he's going to help the reading of 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:19,040 resolutions and things, keep notes on votes. uh Miss Barbara can then resolve 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:24,720 the minutes based on the uh the live stream and our notes and reconcile those 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:29,680 uh to put together formal minutes for tonight's meeting. Um 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:36,200 first thing though will be the approval of the minutes from the December 22nd 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,200 2025 meeting. 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:48,720 » Second. Got a motion and a second. Um, so let me help take notes here. 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Uh, motion was from Kyle Marx. Second 25 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:59,119 James have a motion to second. Uh, let me get a voice vote. 26 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:00,320 » Yes. >> Mr. Schneider. 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,680 » Yes. >> Mr. Hann, 28 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,719 » yes. >> Mr. Marks, 29 00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:06,439 » yes. >> Mr. Gill, 30 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:06,439 » yes. 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:13,080 » All right. Second order of business, the financial statement for December 2025. 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:21,879 » Make a motion to accept the December 2025 financial statement. 33 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,879 » Second 34 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:35,120 get a full. Okay. Mr. Hickman. Yes. Mr. Snider. 35 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:38,080 » Yes. Mr. Hann. Yes. Mr. Mars. Yes. Mr. G. 36 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:38,080 » Yes. 37 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:47,680 Thank you, gentlemen. Um, I do want to skip the order just a bit tonight. Uh, 38 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:53,680 just to put things in motion. Uh, we've had a council vacancy open since 39 00:02:49,280 --> 00:03:00,560 November 2020, uh, 25th, 2025 when I stepped down toward two position one. 40 00:02:56,959 --> 00:03:04,959 Uh, we've had some interested parties. uh after talking to them and and 41 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:10,959 speaking with uh this gentleman, I would like to make uh the appointment of Mr. 42 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:16,800 Randy Pullman to that Z2 position one. Uh Randy has 43 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:21,360 served on our planning commission for some time. Uh 44 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,879 Randy, if you want to speak or you want to speak for you just based on our 45 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:29,599 conversation, he feels like he can do more and serve the community better uh 46 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:34,640 in a bigger capacity on council for the remaining term. So I'll make that 47 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:38,720 appointment uh and ask council to vote on that 48 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,799 appointment. I guess you have to make a motion in a 49 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:47,680 second, but >> I make a motion to accept Mr. Homeman 50 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:50,680 uh for ward two position one >> second 51 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,400 » Mr. Hickman. >> Yes. 52 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,680 » Mr. Schneider. >> Yes. 53 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:56,799 » Mr. Hannah. >> Yes. 54 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,840 » Mr. Marks. >> Yes. 55 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,879 » Mr. >> Yes. 56 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:05,120 » Good deal. Randy, if you want to step up, I'll uh 57 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:12,480 I'll swear you in. >> Okay. 58 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:15,799 » As soon as I can find what There it is. Nowhere else. 59 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,519 » Just raise your right hand and say, repeat after me. I, Randy Holman, 60 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:26,800 » I Randy >> do solemnly swear affirmly swear 61 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,919 » that I will support the Constitution of the United States Constitution of the 62 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,160 United States >> and the Constitution of the State of 63 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,360 Arkansas. >> constitution of the State of Arkansas. 64 00:04:33,919 --> 00:04:40,800 And then I will discharge the duties >> of the office of alderman 65 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:48,520 » of the office of alderman >> on which upon which I'm about to 66 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:48,520 » which I'm about second 67 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,880 rotator I want to do 68 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:11,880 You got a low rider there. 69 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,240 down here. 70 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:40,440 » Bet you sitting forward now. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right on the bottom. 71 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,440 » Let me adjust that thing up. 72 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:50,280 » Is that >> I believe so. 73 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,280 our arm wrestle. 74 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:28,319 Uh the next item of business will be the organizational calendar. Um the 75 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:31,600 ordinance 20261 um 76 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,919 calendar should have been in your packets to look at. You've got the uh 77 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,639 the whole organizational structure and everything in that. Um 78 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:46,400 it's got the council meeting dates listed on I think that's appendix A. Uh 79 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:50,080 we did make a few changes to the workshop days because there were a few 80 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:53,520 months as in January where such a big gap uh and put the workshop date to the 81 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,080 beginning of the month. I believe it was January and October that we looked at 82 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:02,240 moving to the 15th instead of the 8th in October. Um 83 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:07,599 but basically that structure stays the same of u the fourth Tuesday as the 84 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:12,800 council meetings and the second Thursday as workshop meetings. Um, 85 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:17,199 as time goes along, we may be able to streamline those workshop meetings as 86 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,080 well. Um, is everybody in agreement with that calendar? I think it's the biggest 87 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,080 part of that, the organizational structure. 88 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:33,639 » I guess we go ahead and amend that. >> Um, 89 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:33,639 » yeah, I was just thinking that 90 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,280 sure. 91 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:46,880 So I guess before we vote on the ordinance, uh 92 00:07:45,039 --> 00:07:53,599 section one of that was the ratification of recently elected officials. It does 93 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:58,000 show um board 2, position one is vacant. So I would entertain a motion and a 94 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:03,800 second to amend that part of the ordinance. 95 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,800 » Make a motion to amend section 1A. 96 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,080 Second 97 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,879 local. >> Mr. Hickman. 98 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:24,080 » Yes. >> Mr. Snder. 99 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:25,280 » Yes. >> Mr. Home. 100 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:26,720 » Yes. >> Mr. H. 101 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,560 » Yes. >> Mr. Marks. 102 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,519 » Yes. >> Yes. 103 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:37,519 » So, we got that amendment. Now, um because this is an ordinance and it's a 104 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:42,159 rather timely ordinance, I guess we need to entertain a motion 105 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:45,719 for the ordinance procedure for ordinance 2026-1 106 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:59,120 looking for I make a motion be adopt ordinance 107 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:03,519 20261. Is that right? So you'll have to do go through the ordinance procedure 108 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:08,640 first because it is an ordinance the top section the suspend the rules it's page 109 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:15,200 nine of the packet if that helps. >> Yeah I move that we suspend the rules um 110 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:23,440 and weigh the second third reading uh of 202601 111 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:29,360 ordinance by vote on 20261 after second. 112 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,360 » So motion by Mr. Mark second by Mr. 113 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:38,800 Uh, can you restate that motion? >> The motion has been made and seconded. 114 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:43,120 City council suspend the rules, wave the second and third reading ordinance 115 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:50,040 202601 and read the entire elements by title only and vote on 20261 after its 116 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,040 initial reading. 117 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,519 Call >> Mr. Hig. Yes. Mr. Snder. Yes. Mr. 118 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,440 Hullman. >> Yes. Mr. Hammond. 119 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,160 » Yes. Mr. Marks. >> Yes. Mr. Hill. 120 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:02,560 » Yes. Ordinance 202601, ordinance organizing 121 00:10:00,959 --> 00:10:09,519 the city council at meeting scheduled for year 2026 enacted annually pursuant 122 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:15,399 to Arkansas code 144350. I 123 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:15,399 » make a move we adopt ordinance 2026- 124 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,040 roll. >> Mr. Hickman, 125 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:22,399 » yes. Mr. Snder, >> yes. Mr. H. 126 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,279 » Yes. Mr. >> H. Yes. Mr. Marks. Yes. Mr. H. 127 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:32,240 » Yes. Thank you. 128 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:39,000 There is an emergency clause that we uh acted on 129 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:39,000 the emergency clause. 130 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,360 » Second. 131 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,519 » Yes. Mr. Snder. >> Yes. Mr. 132 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:47,440 » Yes. >> Yes. Mr. 133 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:53,279 » Marks. Yes. Mr. >> Yes. Thank you, gentlemen. Seemed like a 134 00:10:50,160 --> 00:11:00,800 lot of circumstance to go through. just to set a calendar. 135 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:07,440 All right. Um item B, uh resolution resolution 2026-01, 136 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:10,560 uh amending the 2025 budget. Um if 137 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:16,560 some of you have been through this process before, some of you hadn't. So, 138 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:20,000 I'll just give a brief recap. Um we set a budget at the beginning of the 139 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,200 year, projected what we think we'll spend out of each line item as the year 140 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:28,640 goes along. it has to be resolved at the end of that 141 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:36,399 fiscal year u for auditing purposes and payments. So what this resolution does 142 00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:41,200 is basically kind of a a blanket resolution uh to resolve all of those 143 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:44,720 line items or either less money was spent, more money was spent just to make 144 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:49,200 the budget line up with what the actual expenses were out of the accounts. It's 145 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:55,519 a it's a reconciliation resolution is what it is. Um Dustin and I to say this 146 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,519 common doll sitting here have to do this essentially. 147 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:06,279 » So I'd entertain a motion. Uh you can read the resolution 148 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:14,320 » resolution 202601 a resolution providing for an amendment to resolution 202503 149 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:19,880 budget resolution for the city of Mayflower Arkansas for the year 2025 150 00:12:24,959 --> 00:12:30,320 » motion resolution 2026. 151 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:34,480 Second. >> Yes, sir. 152 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,360 » Mr. Hickman. >> Yes. 153 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,399 » Mr. Snder. >> Yes. 154 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,360 » Mr. Fman. >> Yes. 155 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,320 » Hannah. >> Yes. 156 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,279 » Mr. Marks. >> Yes. 157 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,639 » Mr. Hill. >> Yes. 158 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:46,560 » Thank you, >> gentlemen. 159 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Uh, item C, resolution 2026-02, Preston Sewer Billy. 160 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,200 Read the resolution. >> Yeah, read the resolution. 161 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,639 » Resolution 2022602, a resolution authorizing the mayor to sign on behalf 162 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,560 of the city the billing services agreement between the city and Conway 163 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:15,040 Corporation pertaining to sewer utility billing services provided to Conway 164 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:18,040 Corporation, Conway Cor and for other purposes. 165 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:26,399 So, this is a resolution uh just for some discussion on it. On the north end 166 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:30,320 of our water district, we had customers that are water customers that have been 167 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:36,240 tied on to Conport sewer that were never on our sewer. Um they had their own kind 168 00:13:34,079 --> 00:13:41,680 of community sewer and they voted to tie with Concort. uh 169 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:46,399 Commerce asking us since we send out their water and utility bill for us to 170 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:52,959 continue doing that the same way we did for the other sewer service. Um 171 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:58,000 we charge a fee the fees stated in here uh for our billing services 172 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,600 the rates based on the water used because we already have that information 173 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,560 since we sell the water and then send that payment to convin. 174 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,160 basically just a billing agreement that's changed from one apartment to 175 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:15,199 another. Uh the terms have stayed the same. Um what I've looked at on this is 176 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:24,040 the rate the billing rate we're charging is um it's fair to us for the time we're 177 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,040 putting in the bill. 178 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:34,399 Any other questions? I entertain a motion resolution 2026. 179 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:41,639 I'll make the motion that we accept resolution 202602 180 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,639 concerning the Preston sewer building. 181 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,800 » Mr. Hickman, >> yes. 182 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:46,800 » Mr. Schneider, >> yes. Mr. 183 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,800 » Yes. >> Yes. Mr. Ms. 184 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,320 » Yes. Mr. H. >> Yes. 185 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,320 » Gentlemen. 186 00:14:55,279 --> 00:15:04,240 Out of D, which is resolution 2026-03. 187 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:09,360 uh the paving of the section of Center Street. Jim, is Jim and Joe here? There 188 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:12,240 you are. I know we talked about this in the 189 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:16,040 workshop, but if anyone has any questions, uh 190 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:27,800 I think Jim and Joe did >> I had a question out of the black paper. 191 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,800 Jimmy, 192 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:34,560 » you want to read the resolution first? >> Resolution 20263, the resolution 193 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,880 authorizing the mayor of the city of Hlflower to expend funds from the street 194 00:15:36,959 --> 00:15:43,040 one cent sales tax for the purpose of repair and maintenance to a strip 195 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:47,000 measuring 466 ft on Sentry Street. 196 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:59,360 » Okay. The question was the the blind. >> Yeah, that's uh it it lines the bottom 197 00:15:55,279 --> 00:16:04,959 of it. It's supposed to help with the moisture 198 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:10,680 coming up through it. Plus, it bonds what I'm putting in there. Compacting 199 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,680 it. 200 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:15,680 » I'm sold on it. >> I'd never heard that. That's why I was 201 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,959 asking. >> Yeah. It's just an 202 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:19,959 » under. 203 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,440 Actually have a question Jimmy and Joe real quick on it. 204 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:34,399 » All right. >> So the the asphalt the 23,000 for 205 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:38,720 asphalt again is this section of center street and is it included in the because 206 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,320 we didn't get to this the last council meeting and I don't actually have the 207 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:47,120 paper in front of me but I think we mentioned it at the workshop. Uh we were 208 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,560 approved for the AROT grant. >> Yes. 209 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:54,560 » Um and we'll have a part to to pay in that that'll start I think they're 210 00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:57,120 looking at starting paving in 2027 getting 211 00:16:54,959 --> 00:16:58,800 » 20 January. There it's supposed to go out for bids. 212 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,320 » Gotcha. >> In January 2027 213 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:08,000 » but basically do you remember that number Jimmy off end of the grant? 214 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,120 » It's a $400,000 grant >> and our piece will be 80,000 roughly. 215 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:16,559 Exactly. >> Yeah. Roughly 216 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:24,000 uh to go ahead and add these other streets in on top of that. 217 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:28,480 While they're here, we're getting a a deal on the pavement. 218 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:32,799 So, >> that's why we voted that in. 219 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:36,480 » Yes. And I know Center Street was one of the included streets. Does that include 220 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:45,120 this area of Center Street on that project? It includes from Gandandy Lane 221 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:50,960 to the end of Sidland South and 222 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Gandandy Lane that's involved with it because the north end 223 00:17:53,679 --> 00:18:05,840 of Center Street is in pretty good shape and it's the south end that's falling 224 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:12,559 apart on me. So, I thought, you know, in line with the subdivision, 225 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:19,200 that would be a good deal. Go ahead and put that in. 226 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:23,120 And then the rest of the streets. I'm excited. That's a lot of streets. 227 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:27,039 » And And I guess that was my question is is that if this wasn't the same section 228 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:29,760 street, they were going to pave. If it was, we did the prep work and then let 229 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,679 them pay you. But if >> Yes. 230 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,760 » If it's a separate piece, then we need to go ahead and pay for the pave. They 231 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,679 don't let them. >> Well, we've got to prep it. 232 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,280 » Okay. >> The only reason I was wanting to put 233 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:45,679 that little stretch of pavement in there was just as a shim 234 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:51,280 » for when they do pavement >> and then they'll pave over the top of it 235 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:56,520 and we shouldn't have any print or anything. 236 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Should go. 237 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:03,440 Gotcha. >> Well, this do we know like down air 238 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:06,559 centers south get a lot of trucks going to the dump? 239 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:13,520 » Yes. >> Is is that where and road is that more 240 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,919 than what was anticipated when that was originally put in? 241 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:22,120 » Yes. >> And this 242 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:22,120 » Well, that was old 365. Okay. 243 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:34,160 » Will this project be built to 244 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:40,640 support those larger vehicles. >> Well, it has up until now it's pretty 245 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,919 much supported everything been hammered on it, but now it's got to have some 246 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,120 tension, >> right? 247 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:55,039 » And that's one other one been loaded. Garbage trucks are just like a loaded 248 00:19:51,280 --> 00:20:00,160 dump truck and they're heavy and they hammer 249 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:06,960 So, and then the added traffic from the sub b is the reason I was wanting to go 250 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:10,799 ahead and address this problem, too. >> I I think it's great. I just want to be 251 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:15,120 sure that if we had the opportunity to build to a standard to help the road 252 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:20,400 last longer, we won't be >> Well, the only thing you could do with 253 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:28,320 that is to bridge it with concrete. >> I mean, ensure it probably 254 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:32,880 and down the road. Center Street being so narrow anyway, I 255 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:38,640 could see useful traffic, but can we restrict the flow since that subdivision 256 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:44,159 is out on White City Road? Restrict the flow of traffic to no trucks on that 257 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,440 street. Would that be helpful? >> We could do that, 258 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:52,799 but >> make them take the highway and city road 259 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:57,840 pick it up soon. Yeah, you know, all those houses 260 00:20:55,679 --> 00:21:01,679 going in over there, it be kind of difficult getting in and out because it 261 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:07,280 is because like you said, the street is so narrow, 262 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:12,640 but I never entertained that, you know, because 263 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:17,840 maybe in the future, but we take in that city dog. 264 00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:20,840 » Definitely on the radar. Yes. >> Yes. 265 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:30,159 But I guess with the resolution, any other questions with the council 266 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:37,080 from the council about the amount or the scope of the project 267 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:37,080 for stated in resolution 2026-03 268 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:49,559 make a motion to accept resolution 2026-3. 269 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,559 Second. 270 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Correct. Or the order that you're sitting down. 271 00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:58,880 Mr. >> Yes. 272 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,640 » Mr. Marks. Yes. Mr. Snder. >> Yes. 273 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,840 » Mr. Hill. Yes. Mr. H. >> Yes. 274 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,039 » Mr. Hall. >> Yes. 275 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,880 » Thank you. >> Thank you, Jim. 276 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,720 » Thanks for the good job on the city streets here, too, brother. 277 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:16,159 » Absolutely. >> Good job. That doesn't go without 278 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:21,120 shouldn't go without on the ice. >> Yeah. Thank y'all. I can't get to many 279 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:25,400 of these. >> Take take those out of quick 280 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,080 break. 281 00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:40,159 » Uh, next item, item E. Um, resolution 2026-04, 282 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:45,600 the fire and water split for generator. Um, I know Mr. Matthews is stuck in from 283 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:51,200 weather or not. He knew everything about this resolution. Um Raymond is also at 284 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:55,840 home tonight trying to get home before where he lives out west before they got 285 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,840 bad so he didn't make it to the meeting. Um 286 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,720 Chief Warren's here. He could talk about what he knows about the fire side of 287 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:10,320 this uh as far as the split cost. 288 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:12,240 » I thought we hammered that out the other day. 289 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,960 » We did talk about it in there. It's a splitting call and I'm trying to look 290 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:20,960 for it here and I don't even see it in my in my notes. Um 291 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:25,080 » I'm pretty sure the cost was $9,600 each for each department. 292 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:35,440 » And I know Raymond had in the in the budget in the 26 budget I think you had 293 00:23:32,159 --> 00:23:39,280 close to 30,000 for a generator. So he definitely has the money. U Chief War 294 00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:45,919 and I talked about it. It was not budgeted in the fire budget this year. 295 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,960 uh an already pretty shoestring budget and we'd have to look at what part of 296 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,720 the budget that comes out of because operation maintenance all these 297 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:57,840 different lines don't have enough to look at where that comes out of um 298 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:02,159 I think there's a place it could come out of am I wrong chief 299 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,480 » yeah I mean we I think we can make it come out of 300 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:12,240 stretch >> going to stretch thin and again it 301 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,000 depends on where revenues are toward the end of the year. We look at maybe 302 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:22,080 closing up, but I think that generator with the grant that's applied is is kind 303 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:26,960 of a non-negotiable to get uh constant power to our fire station in in the in 304 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:31,640 an emergency. Could could we uh structure it 305 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,880 for that for that part of it? 306 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:43,200 » There's a potential that we could do that. Uh again his water had 30,000 307 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:50,640 » I'm saying they >> budgeted for it. Um 308 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:54,720 or what I told Chief looking because I think with with chief taking the 309 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,760 reigns and just looking at things new just like our police chief there's going 310 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:02,000 to be some things that are going to be shuffled and reordered that maybe we 311 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:06,559 look at it towards the end of the year if there's a short hall somewhere that 312 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:13,120 we can potentially look at some places to shuffle uh to fill those needs. 313 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,720 Uh if that sounds good to everyone at this point, 314 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:24,080 but I think the the grant for these for this generator is just too good to pass 315 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:27,080 up for both water and fire this little combin 316 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:44,000 we can take voicemail. discussed. 317 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:51,799 » So, we don't have anated resolution for this, but if someone would care to make 318 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,799 a motion, I have a question. Go ahead. 319 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Water has budgeted 320 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:01,159 30,000 1%. 321 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:16,000 » I don't have the details of I mean, would it hurt? That's okay. Sorry. 322 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:22,400 Listen. Would it hurt to go ahead and 323 00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:27,760 pay fire out of water? Steal savings money from not having to buy a hole 324 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:33,440 shared anyway. Have a new fire chief, new direction, new things that we really 325 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:37,679 want to strap in down. We pay for it out of water since it was already there. 326 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:41,320 Then we can look at that end of the year back at the end of year 327 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,240 proposal. You see any issues with that? 328 00:26:52,960 --> 00:27:00,320 » I mean it's still only 2/3 of what was budget or generated for the same for 329 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:06,000 gener. It's only 2/3 of what was budgeted if water go. and see if we 330 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:10,320 could if we need to rearrange that down the road in more than a year. But we've 331 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:15,600 had something budgeted there instead of strapping a new budget to fire. I mean, 332 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:23,279 we just about can't say we can't say no. I mean, it's we got a grant. Matter of 333 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:28,320 you know if if the fire department would not have gotten the grant 334 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:35,760 then the water department would be paying not 2/3 but they pay 100%. 335 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:41,559 So would it be okay legal? Is it okay to just pay that part 336 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,559 out of warrant? 337 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:50,559 I don't see an issue with it. I'm actually texting Matthews now 338 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:55,200 because he has dug into this u am I currently 339 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:58,640 » Yeah. The way I understood the the purchase on it, it was a no-brainer with 340 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:02,640 the percentage to do it. There was no question about it. 341 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,640 I think you'd probably have to have a maybe have to have something writing to 342 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,799 say that you were going to do that or to keep us remind us what we're going to 343 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:14,440 do at the end of the year. Pay them back if they needed it. 344 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:22,039 We need to buy that though like they've got a plan. 345 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,039 » Yes. 346 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:35,000 » She's got it as resolution. 66-04. There's just not a Yeah. 347 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000 » Uh 348 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:39,159 I'm taking notes here. 349 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,399 be 9,800 each fire 350 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:07,159 has the particulars in stated he will do that resolution. So that's that. Okay. I 351 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,159 was worried I dropped the ball. 352 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:23,720 So instead of the 50/50, Mr. Hman, you're proposing water cover it. 353 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,720 » I 354 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,000 » and then we'll revisit fire state active 355 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,320 the projection start coming in. 356 00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:41,360 So I'm just going to change that to resolution. I've done an old 357 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:45,760 » just we'll take a warning document in the minutes and then we'll back up 358 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:53,120 resolution >> basically just say water. 359 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:57,520 » Yeah. So a war stove on water department covering the what would that amount be? 360 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:02,320 20,000 roughly 20,000 361 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,320 20,000 >> 19,600 362 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,520 » so I'm putting water department cover total cost initially 363 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,600 being roughly 20,000 364 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,760 for both generators 365 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:35,200 So, we're going to restate that motion. >> Your motion uh motion that the water 366 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:41,200 department cover the total cost for initially for both generators of $20,000 367 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:46,880 given some flexibility 196. Uh and we'll revisit fires contribution 368 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:51,399 toward the end of the year. So if we'll get a vote on that action. 369 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:56,360 » Uh that's the motion. I guess we need a second. 370 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,799 » Welcome. Mr. Hickman. >> Yes. Mr. 371 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,679 » Marks. Yes. >> Mr. Snder. 372 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,559 » Yes. >> Mr. Hill. 373 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,600 » Yes. >> Mr. Hammond. 374 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,480 » Yes. >> Mr. Hall. 375 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,480 » Yes. 376 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,720 » All right. 377 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:22,480 Next item. item G because we already skipped up on F real quick is our we're 378 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:28,880 kind of on the water so I I just kind of want to make just uh 379 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:32,399 keep I keep looking at the unaccounted for water loss 380 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:39,600 » and a half million gallons >> and I mean we're we're almost 2.5 381 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:48,480 million gallons unaccounted for um I mean it's it seems to be 382 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:55,840 because it it was hovering around a million to a million and a half million 383 00:31:50,399 --> 00:32:03,039 eight and now we're at 2.5 and I mean there it just seems to be 384 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:08,960 getting worse and I mean we're we I think we 385 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:14,000 calculated that at somewhere around 10ish,000 a month. 386 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,679 Um, I mean, when we're looking at the percentage of loss, it's 16.6%. 387 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:27,600 That's >> We've got to address that. That's got to 388 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:34,960 be addressed. That's got to be a a needs to be a priority. I I 389 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:40,000 I agree and get to talk about some things here in just a few minutes with 390 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:43,120 uh Mr. Dreenidge from Salt Engineering have to do with the wastewater side, but 391 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:47,600 also having to do with water financing, that sort of thing. I think I know what 392 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:52,399 Mr. Rekenage is going to say before he says it that 16%. The national average 393 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,039 is around 15%. Is that correct? >> But 394 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,880 » yeah, I mean it's Yeah, if you're if you're under 20 for Arkansas and it's 395 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:05,440 say you're >> infant. Yeah, it just depends on the 396 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:09,279 » that's industry standard. Now, let me be clear on the record. We set our own 397 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,720 standards here at Lithar. It's unacceptable. It's been brought up to 398 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,880 Raymond and what we have to look at is and Raymond said it time and time again. 399 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:21,919 It's going to require more manpower to go out, find the leaks, fix the leaks, 400 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,200 that sort of thing. I think that's an 401 00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:32,399 address. >> Yeah. Um my my 402 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:39,440 and I agree. I do think that that um you know 403 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:45,279 part of it. Um, but what but I really and I know I I believe we're working on 404 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:52,399 this. I I really would like to see a strategic plan for infrastructure 405 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:56,480 because that that I think is going to is going to be key to addressing this 406 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,679 longer. I like to see a strategic plan and targeted goals that have in the last 407 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:05,679 12 months we've averaged 14% or whatever that number ended up being 408 00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:12,240 that we set a goal of bringing that down to 12%. or you know manageable 409 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:16,879 doable goals. >> If you're not striving to hold something 410 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:24,320 then you're just pivot looking at it 2.5 million gallons of 411 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:31,560 that's that's a million more than what it was few months ago last time I looked 412 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,560 you know really paying attention 413 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:38,720 things like that be something we can kind of 414 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:44,320 cuz we're not a large large water system. I don't think 415 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:48,399 » well if we just dedicate one person to go drive 416 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,919 » that's and that's right now we don't have that person but Mr. for breaking. 417 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:55,280 If you don't mind, go ahead and stand it up for this. It's Rain is not here to 418 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,760 jump into >> Yeah, 419 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:02,880 » you and I have even talked about this since the last month or so. I believe I 420 00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:07,680 believe it was where they actually have uh 421 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,119 there are some options rather than just driving around and trying to stomp out 422 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,560 the woods and things. Uh 423 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,119 » yeah, there >> there are some aerial survey options 424 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:21,839 » there. Yeah, there's um satellite survey options uh which work pretty well in 425 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,200 cities down in rural areas. They don't you you have to have basically it 426 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,400 pinpoints an area of service. You have to have then boots on the ground 427 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,880 acoustic measurement some way to pinpoint where to dig. It'll give you 428 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,839 like the 300 foot radius that appears to be a leak. They can differentiate 429 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:43,119 between groundwater for a water solution coming off. Uh there's you can just you 430 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:48,720 know Raymond help them invest in acoustic devices and and use their own 431 00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:52,480 manpower to do that. >> There are metering you know 432 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,720 systems you could put in >> there says put a meter 433 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,680 » not knowing the system put a meter at certain legs uh mains on the system and 434 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:05,280 make sure that the water being build down this trunk if you will the line is 435 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,960 matching the water that's being me coming out of here. It makes a lot of 436 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,160 sense there. >> You've seen it d It sounds like you say 437 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,920 you've seen it doubling in the past month. 438 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:20,000 » Water loss. >> No, not necessarily doubling, but I mean 439 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:23,280 it it's it seems to have been quite >> Yeah. So, I mean that does indicate that 440 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:27,760 there's it's not just 441 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:32,320 conventional wear and tear or service line or things of that sort indicate, 442 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:38,960 you know, probably some type of man leak that has developed. But, you know, 443 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:42,640 finding it is a trouble there. There there there's technology 444 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:47,760 out there to help with it, but there's no you have to invest money to to do 445 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:50,880 that. So, and manpower. >> Well, and and we've got a counted water 446 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:55,680 loss, and I don't know how you do that other than an estimate on 447 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,119 a water loss, but >> Well, I mean, he know with your new 448 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,520 metering systems that Well, I don't know if you've got complete Does everybody 449 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:06,960 have a new meter? still stretching overly. 450 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:11,440 » So with the new E-meters, you can tell exactly how much goes out and how much, 451 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,920 you know, through it comes to the master meter, whatever the difference is where 452 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:19,520 » and ultimately, let's let's just be honest. Yes, 453 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,920 I think we can do some things to pinpoint those issues. 454 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,160 Big picture, ultimately it's it's going to come down to infrastructure 455 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,960 over time. Obviously, we can't just go in and dig up the city's pipes, but we 456 00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:37,280 want to see the strategic improvement on the system. Uh, pinpoint 457 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:41,520 those areas that are older that have issues. I know I believe it was around 458 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:45,520 Christmas. Uh, Mr. Hammond called me and sent me a 459 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:50,400 picture of a leak in Snugs that it was just boiling up out of the road. Um, 460 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,720 Brandon had to get locates to go in and dig and dug it up. Luckily, it was right 461 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:59,040 there near that that valve is where he found it, just off of it. that it was 462 00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:02,720 essentially the pip flexed originally wasn't laid right or something. there 463 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:07,760 was something he explained. Again, I don't get into the technicalities of the 464 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,200 uh but that union there just just separated. It was luckily it was 465 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:15,839 contained right there, but I don't think there's any way to gauge exactly how 466 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:20,000 much water was lost out of that breach in the main. Uh but those are the sorts 467 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,800 of things that we can find with that technology that we can find with a 468 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:29,119 master meter in line I believe and start pinpointing those areas and coming up 469 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:32,560 with a plan that hey as we'll get the revenues in to do it let's let's replace 470 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,240 the section man let's >> because I mean that's I mean right now 471 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:42,160 it's $120,000 a yearish 472 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:46,960 that the city's paying >> well do you still have old meters that 473 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:51,920 do you as you replace all those meters We've seen as much as 10% just in the 474 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:57,280 meter itself. If you have old positive displacement meters replaced by new E 475 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:01,920 meters catching loads flow a lot better. So we've seen as much as 10% just by 476 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,880 meter replacement. So once you get all those done, it may help, but it probably 477 00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:08,800 would be. >> We're replacing meters and the water 478 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,000 loss is going up. So it's it's something's not right. I don't have the 479 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:16,320 data bump to bunk, but I know I've seen months where we've been as low as 7%. 480 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:22,320 This is one of the higher ones I've seen in the last 12 gown four months at 16.6. 481 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,400 I don't think I've seen it higher than that the last couple years, but we got 482 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:31,040 down to an area of about seven or eight that was again not acceptable. What's 483 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,880 our standard industry standard this, but let's set our standard that something 484 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,440 else. So, I think it's definitely something to look at going through and 485 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,560 trying to think going back and showing up the system. 486 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,440 » I just don't want to keep wasting money in the bank. We'll keep wasting money, 487 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:51,440 but also just keep ignoring it. It seems like we're just kind of aging with it. 488 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:54,440 So, I'll make sure to re readress it. >> Absolutely. 489 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,200 » Anything else? 490 00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:09,680 Part G. Um, we have several vacancies on the 491 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,760 planning commission. Uh, as you know, we had some some members of the community 492 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:18,880 that expressed interest. Um, they came to the council workshop, introduced 493 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:23,520 themselves. Uh, I have tonight, I believe, four appointments on my shoes 494 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:27,040 that I would like to present to the council and I believe the council will 495 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:32,880 have to vote on these appointments individually. 496 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:36,560 Um, yes. 497 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:41,680 » Gotcha. And is there a swearing of these? We do 498 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:45,040 that at the plate commission >> since it's a board. 499 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,880 » We can handle that. >> You could swear at the same time. 500 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,880 » Yes. 501 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:58,560 » Um >> if if any of them wanted to vote to to 502 00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:02,319 to approve them as a as a collective, I sort 503 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:08,960 » Let me just go ahead with the the four names I have tonight. Um, 504 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:12,480 on the agenda of four to add to planning are Jennifer Massie and obviously I 505 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,680 don't think everyone could be here tonight because of whether we they don't 506 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,240 have time to go tonight. Uh, Jennifer Massie, Todd Kelson, Andy Stole, and 507 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:23,760 Stephen Lens and I believe you met all of them at the 508 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:28,400 workshop meeting. >> Uh, can I make a motion for you? 509 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,760 » If you wanted if if you are inclined to vote for all four of them collectively 510 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:36,160 at the same time, go ahead and make that motion. 511 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:41,680 I would like to make a motion that we accept all four 512 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:44,680 » uh recommendations for planning commission. 513 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,280 So that hitman with the motion he'll second 514 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,760 » that mean you're you're off right 515 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:08,960 » not technically but it is any discussion on that on the vote on all 40. 516 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:13,760 » So in included in that he's he's made a motion to so that's that's fine. So we 517 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:16,560 got the motion in a second. >> We'll take a voice vote. 518 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,599 » Okay. Our roll call. Mr. H. >> Yes. 519 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,560 » Mr. Marks. >> Yes. 520 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,599 » Mr. Snder. >> Yes. Mr. Hill. 521 00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:20,560 » Yes. >> Mr. Hammond. 522 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:23,200 » Yes. >> Mr. Hall. 523 00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:26,200 » Yes. >> Congratulations. 524 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:36,240 » All right. Uh part H police budget amendment. And I don't think we had a 525 00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:40,160 resolution worked up for this. Did we? No. 526 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,240 » We did. We did discuss at workshop. you want to just over briefly uh which one? 527 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:49,760 Sorry. >> Uh the uh the budget amendment for the 528 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:54,240 different the the shuffling that we >> um so the first one I have is just 529 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:59,200 shuffling some money to create a new position position that we already 530 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:03,839 funded. Uh we'd be moving it to create an assistant chief. So we start 531 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:10,359 supervision couple more hours with that as we grow in the budget just going to 532 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,359 come a little. 533 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:20,960 » Gotcha. Uh and what I know we talked about at the workshop what were those 534 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,119 areas that we were wanting to move money? I know there's like $26,000 in a 535 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,040 vehicle. >> There's 26,000 in vehicles uh to 536 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:30,720 purchase of new vehicles and so we would be moving about 6,000 out of that 537 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:38,240 account. We can't purchase a vehicle for that price. So we might later move some 538 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:41,760 performance some other >> to reallocate that to underline items to 539 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:46,520 make this position and papers and other things need to be done. 540 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,520 » Um 541 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:55,040 any discussion on that council? >> This um 542 00:43:53,200 --> 00:44:02,880 this I I missed the workshop. I apologize. Uh 543 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:06,599 the position is for assistant is chief. 544 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:13,200 » So how what's what's the command structure? 545 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,520 » Uh right now we get chief lieutenant which is officers. 546 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:24,760 » We keep we keep the lieutenant. >> Yes. 547 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,440 The lieutenant was kind of like 548 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:39,680 » he was actually appointed interim chief of the territory. 549 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:43,040 » No, I know. But I mean like the and the command structure. 550 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,440 » Why do we need lieutenant and the assistant chief? 551 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,599 » The goal is to spread it around a little more. We can between the lieutenant 552 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:54,319 chief or assistant chief. We can't cover all areas. So we'll stagger our shifts 553 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,480 work different times to kind of try to cover 554 00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,480 those things. 555 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,800 Hopefully, you know, as the department grows over time, we already have 556 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:10,640 infrastructure in place. This is a working position as we all it's not 557 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:15,079 going to be it's not an off position. It's up to 558 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:23,599 » Mr. Uh Marks, if I may, with kind of the rationale that was explained to me was 559 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:28,000 in order to give right now we're operating sometimes with 560 00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:32,160 one patrol officer being the only city officer that's on duty on the ship and 561 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:37,920 and trying to spread that out to have two units on ship at all times, having 562 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:41,280 that senior officer along with patrol officer 563 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,079 should decisions need to be made or something 564 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,839 like that, there's a higher chain of command someone to answer to. on each 565 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:54,079 ship by splitting out those the command structure with the lieutenant assistant 566 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,280 chie officers that are on patrol along with 567 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:02,079 them but having someone to answer questions to fill in the gray areas that 568 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,440 control officers do not know that that extra layer of accountability 569 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:28,960 I think some more information on I don't know I I'm not understanding how 570 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,960 how that benefits 571 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,839 » um I kind of the same thing just like I said was it spreading out right now we 572 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:45,520 have plenty of time not all stagger so it's just kind of instead 573 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:51,000 of having two positions that are same out 574 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 just 575 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,280 by shift 576 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:11,440 So right right now there are where we don't have a supervisor 577 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:15,760 » and this would allow us to expand everything but it's going to let us move 578 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:20,040 in that direction hopefully as we add the command assist 579 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:26,079 » I guess does it need to be an assistant chief or 580 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:31,040 can it be lieutenant or can it be a 581 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:38,040 sergeant supervisor? you know, it could be. It's kind of, you 582 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,040 know, 583 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:49,720 but we're we're making we're making a position that's in between 584 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,720 chief and lieutenant position. 585 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,400 Any 586 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:18,160 other questions, comments, concerns? >> It's all about money. 587 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:22,319 We got We're budgeting to do it, but our budget's tight and we got to spend this 588 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:27,599 money like it belongs to the community. That's all I can say. 589 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:33,119 » If the need were moving. The money is already there in allocated. We're just 590 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:38,400 moving it around. Not asking for more or anything tighter. We're just moving some 591 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:45,599 of the dollars around to meet the chiefs. It's already vision of what the 592 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:49,960 force would look like and kind of think with our long 593 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,920 I've always said I'm not a police officer any longer, but I've always said 594 00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:59,440 I'd rather have Um, 595 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:05,520 not saying that our officers are not, but I would rather have 596 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:12,720 a smaller crew of top-notch, well- paid officers 597 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:17,359 than I would have just paid barely what we could get them here in the door for 598 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:23,119 them and then hope for the best. every time that we deal with the that we 599 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:28,400 see a complaint and and I think that's one thing if I'm trying to speak for him 600 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:33,920 but I kind of get it from the new mayors want to stop a lot of these complaints 601 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:38,319 and these problems and issues and and I feel like he's worked very hard doing 602 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:43,359 that. However, you look at just a year or so ago, we had somebody just cussing 603 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:49,200 one of our citizens like a dog. I hope that's over. Once you get to that, you 604 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:53,599 know, once you acquire that that level of officer that you can say, "Okay, we 605 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:57,520 don't do this anymore." You know, I don't care if you call him an assistant 606 00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,680 chief or a colonel. You know, if the money's there, you may have an assistant 607 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:08,119 chief working midnight. That's okay. They got to cover a ship. But I 608 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,119 personally don't care what they call 609 00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,400 your rank structure, that's up to you. I just want to make sure that we got, you 610 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,599 know, we've got coverage with quality people and people go in there and do the 611 00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:22,160 job. That's where that's where I'm coming from. Uh I understand it, you 612 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:27,280 know. I mean, it's it's through his department if he wants a I guess if you 613 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,240 wanted to have everybody as assistant chiefs, you can do that, but it doesn't 614 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,760 matter to me what you call. Now, obviously, that's not what you're going 615 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:38,559 after. But the point I'm making is that what you call them really doesn't matter 616 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:42,720 outside of your department. thing is is we can afford to put them on and you 617 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:48,880 know if we we pay everybody you know those salaries and you know may have to 618 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,319 let the city grow before we grow into the to more and more officers. Does that 619 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:57,200 make sense? >> I just to kind of share my vision not 620 00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,800 just in police but in every department there's the fire, there's the street, 621 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:05,040 there's the water. This kind of sets us up for that next 622 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:08,520 man up mentality where we're not left in a gap because 623 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,319 Lieutenant Dagger when he stepped in as inter chief did a great job of filling 624 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:18,559 the gap, but Lieutenant Dagger being the first to tell you there were things that 625 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:24,240 he didn't know what was going on when Doug Humber left uh just simply because 626 00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:27,440 of that lack of communication, that gap, and 627 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,240 everyone should have someone else that knows how to do their job because we're 628 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:35,119 all one bit away from not being again. That goes to police, that goes to fire, 629 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,599 that goes to water, that goes to security. And so in having that 630 00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:44,960 structure, everybody kind of knows who to answer to. Uh should Chief Woods not 631 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:49,680 be here? Should Jim and Joe not be here? City business can still go on without a 632 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:55,280 gap in coverage because that structure and have quality people in those spots. 633 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,559 » I actually think I saw an assistant chief the other day fly the road. Is 634 00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:01,559 that right? >> You 635 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,920 might speak up. I can't hear. 636 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,559 We vote on this. >> I would entertain a motion to allow the 637 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:19,640 shipment of the money and the creation of that. I make motion allow sh 638 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:43,119 I was trying to take notes here. You can look at uh so the motion on the table is 639 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:48,319 to um allow money to be moved from from certain line items in the 2026 proposed 640 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:57,599 fields budget uh specifically vehicle maintenance to add to wages uh in the 641 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,280 the other sections of the budget to increase that already proposed I'm being 642 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,480 learning here but to increase that already proposed position to elevate 643 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:12,079 that position in the chain of command to be a senior or position your assistant 644 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:15,960 chief positions chief and folks 645 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:21,760 roll Mr. Hig >> yes 646 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,520 » Mr. Marks >> no 647 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,720 » yes >> Mr. Hill 648 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,000 » yes >> Mr. Hammond 649 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,800 » yes >> Mr. Hall 650 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,800 » yes 651 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,319 Thank you. >> We also have one for 652 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,760 » Yes. And I think they put it on the same one that we can address that as well. Go 653 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,400 ahead. >> Uh it's just it's already budgeted item. 654 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:57,280 It's a yearly cost for us. Bill was 655 00:53:53,599 --> 00:54:02,960 $6,800 to act on. It's for our licenses for body cameras. It shows the data. 656 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:07,119 They still request just a little spin since it was 657 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,839 » already budged it but it is over the amount. 658 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:16,119 » Yes. >> Entertain a motion to $6,800 to act on 659 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,520 Mr. >> Yes. Mr. Marks. Yes. 660 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:30,640 » Mr. Schneider. Yes. Sister Hill. >> Yes. Mr. Canon. 661 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,280 » Yes. >> Mr. Hall. 662 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:41,240 » Yes. Thank you, Chief. 663 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:41,240 All right. Uh, and then part 664 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,079 hurts my heart. 665 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:54,720 Mr. Matthews isn't here. We've got a working draft. We're still dealing with 666 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:59,440 some issues from uh that are being addressed from different departments. 667 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:06,760 I will entertain a motion to take this for his motion to take in mind policy. 668 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:35,240 Yeah, just a voice on that. All in favor? I 669 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,240 » any oppos? 670 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,920 » I have the policy manual as I'm just trying to think this. James Snder as the 671 00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:46,920 motion set. 672 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,760 Thank you. 673 00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:01,839 So that's table. Uh in other business, uh Kim Barbsdale, I 674 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,440 reached out to her. We're going to try to push them to next month. That's some 675 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:10,640 kids we wanted to recognize that were on the agenda for 4 obviously the weather 676 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:16,640 put that out. So we try to put that on agenda. Uh do have a couple of gentlemen 677 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:23,119 here tonight. Um let's J. Yeah, I got right here. 678 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:31,559 » Yes, I was going to say with half >> inch street, they got some numbers. 679 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,559 » Step on up. 680 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:37,680 » Good evening, council. >> And uh to introduce myself to the 681 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,520 council since the last time I was here, my name is Joe Moore and I'm with Half 682 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:48,240 Associates and been the project manager on the main street overlay project. So, 683 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,839 uh, Jimmy had asked us to to come and and present to you all tonight. Um, said 684 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:54,799 that y'all may have a couple questions about the project and and I thought 685 00:56:53,520 --> 00:57:01,040 where I'd start is just a general overview on on where we're at. Um, the 686 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:07,280 contractors uh largely finished the scope of work u the the plan included 687 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:12,079 out there. Um, and where we're at now is is working through a punch list of items 688 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:18,160 we think he needs to address. So, how about main street? Yes, sir. The 689 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,960 main street overlay. So, uh a majority of that work is finished and like I 690 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:26,720 said, we're going through we've reviewed it and uh created a punch list of items 691 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:30,880 for uh the contractor to address. Uh talked through them those items with him 692 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:35,920 actually this morning and he said he had no problem uh taking care of those 693 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:39,200 things. So, um, uh, he's going to work with his crews obviously with whether, 694 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:42,640 you know, if he get back out and work on addressing, uh, items on that punch 695 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,400 list. >> What are some of the things that he's 696 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:52,240 got? >> There, uh, are a couple a couple of soft 697 00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:57,280 spots in the gravel shoulder that have run it up uh, from, you know, various 698 00:57:55,839 --> 00:58:00,799 » shoulder, >> right? It's going to shore them up. 699 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:04,319 There's there's a place near uh, Miller Street. It's on the south side of the 700 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:07,680 project. There's standing water uh on the long edge of the road. It's probably 701 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:12,160 why the gravel shoulder is a little bit soft. Uh went back and reviewed the 702 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:16,720 plans. We' asked it to extend that ditching closer to Miller than he had 703 00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:21,920 done. So just needs to come and kind of clean out the ditch and help uh drain 704 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:26,720 off the standing water and hopefully that'll help. 705 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:32,960 » I drove that the other day and it's that is that normal 706 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:36,960 » unevenness of the of the street. So it it's an overlay project. So it it's 707 00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:43,000 largely working with the existing grades that are there. We're equipping, you 708 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,000 know, blow back on top of that. 709 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:53,760 » And we had some shoulder cracking on the edge of the pavement that 710 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:59,040 let him tell you about it. 711 00:58:55,359 --> 00:59:04,480 » Right. So, um, there are a couple places where we see some some cracks about this 712 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:09,599 big along the the edges of the road. A lot of them seem to be on the east side 713 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:15,599 of the road where you have a ditch uh right up against the road. I did bring 714 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:21,040 uh an exhibit and I I'll pass this out that helps 715 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:25,839 illustrate what I'm going to talk about. So, I'm not drawing a picture up in the 716 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:29,359 air. Uh and and and the reason I did this is 717 00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:33,680 it's there's a couple places where the shoulder cracking is uh bad enough. I 718 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,960 think he needs to come out and address that. Um there's some places where the 719 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:43,680 shoulder cracking is is very minor. And I think that that's what you're going to 720 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:50,040 see in an overlay project. And and I'll kind of describe um that with these 721 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,040 exhibits here. 722 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,920 I'll talk through these. These have a a page. It was inserted in the middle of 723 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,599 also 724 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,040 come in a little glad. 725 01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:39,359 » Yes, Jimmy. >> We're working through a Well, I'll I'll 726 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:44,079 grab those numbers. So, uh, as Jimmy was saying that the project is projected on 727 01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:49,839 the budget, the original contract amount was 777,000 728 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:53,920 and some change. The, uh, if you recall, I was here to ask for a change order on 729 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:58,400 a waterline relocation and an additional head wall. That was $28,300. 730 01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:06,480 So, that brought that change brought the total contract amount up to $85,000 731 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:10,319 and some change uh, total installations to date. So that's that's everything 732 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,760 that they've uh invoiced for to date. Like I mentioned, uh the project's 733 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:18,559 finished. We're working on correcting some things. 773,000 734 01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:24,799 with some change. So what that means is the project is about 3,800 below the 735 01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:28,000 original contract amount um or 32,000 under where the contract amount was 736 01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:34,799 today with the change order. So, so essentially the change order uh you know 737 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:37,760 was free if you will and the um uh there was a little bit of savings on top of 738 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:42,599 that. So uh to talk through 739 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:49,280 » Yeah. >> to talk through the the packet I just 740 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,119 passed out. Um it the reason I did this is just to 741 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:58,319 to kind of explain asphalt and I apologize if if you know some of youall 742 01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:03,359 already know this and and you know um you know this may be somewhat boring but 743 01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:07,680 but asphalt pavement uh there's a diagram in here and this this describes 744 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:12,079 the general crosssection. So if we cut an asphalt road in half just a local 745 01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:17,599 street this is generally what it what that crosssection would look like. It's 746 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:22,480 got a a subgrade a aggregate base layer and then as you work your way up an 747 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:30,720 aggre an asphalt surface layer. That asphalt surface layer is what you see. 748 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:36,319 Uh the uh base layer and the subgrade are where the the strength of an asphalt 749 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:41,440 pave road are. The surface layer is your smooth driving course. It uses a smaller 750 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:45,200 aggregate. So it's not using inch and a half stone or anything like that. It's a 751 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:51,680 it's a small aggregate and that's what makes an asphalt road smooth. Uh the 752 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,960 strength though that that surface that asphalt surface doesn't really have any 753 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,319 strength to it by itself. You can you know if it's on the edge of the road it 754 01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:02,559 put any kind of weight on it it'll crumble. Those the base and subgrade 755 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:07,119 layer where the strength of the road are. And so this cross-section 756 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:10,799 demonstrates that each layer as you go down is wider than the layer above it. 757 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:16,240 And that's to help disperse the load that's applied to it out. When you when 758 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:20,640 you overlay an asphalt road, and I've attempted to draw that in here with with 759 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:24,240 red, that overlay, what you're doing is putting another layer of asphalt surface 760 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:29,520 right on top of the surface you had before. And so it doesn't have that step 761 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:34,640 out and and when you get onto the very edge and you you run a load of the very 762 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:38,480 edge, it's it's likely to crack. Um, the other thing it'll do is it'll it'll 763 01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:44,240 reflect if crack, you know, the cracks that were in the road before. That's 764 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:49,920 that's the nature of it's it's to be expected with a with an asphalt overlay 765 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:55,280 type project. Uh, so this edge cracking, what I'm trying to say is something uh 766 01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:59,599 I'm not too shocked to see u especially uh if we've had any kind of load applied 767 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:04,079 to the edge of the road. if someone's run off, you know, to pull over um run a 768 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:09,280 trailer off the road. Some of this is where we've seen the gravel rudded and 769 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:14,799 uh and so that's it's uh not too surprising to me. There's a a couple of 770 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:18,400 photos of this packet. Uh this first one was the or this this one here that I 771 01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:23,119 inserted into the packet was just to kind of demonstrate that u principle I 772 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:27,280 was just talking about. This is an area where that you can see the asphalt 773 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:32,240 overlay uh without the gravel back fill. This is 774 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:37,200 where they they did a point repair and and this shows that there's there's a 775 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:42,640 2-in uh lip where that asphalt overlay was was installed. Um so that was just a 776 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:47,760 real kind of a live photo of what the cross-section shows. And then the next 777 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:53,520 the next the last couple photos in the packet would to show the existing 778 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:58,880 street. And uh you can see that there's some edge 779 01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:04,559 cracking on the existing street. And so with this 780 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:09,119 again, yeah, that this layer was placed and and it's uh it may mirror what was 781 01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:14,720 going on underneath the existing pavement, especially if there's a load 782 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:18,160 applied to it. So, uh, to kind of summarize, there's there's a a list of 783 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:22,480 things we've asked the contractor to come back and work on. And and then 784 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:26,480 these certain items right here, uh, these these smaller airline cracks. Um, 785 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:30,319 I just I don't think it's, you know, it's anything that the contractor did or 786 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:34,640 didn't do. It's just the nature of this type of project. 787 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:40,000 » Mr. Moore, I'm going to ask larger scope of it. in the original proposal with a 788 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:45,760 contract that was signed. What was the scope of work to be done on the base 789 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:50,799 layer? Because I'm asking for you could look by the way this extra exhibit here. 790 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,359 In case you didn't know, this is the finished product. 791 01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:59,599 » This is the overlay road here. Uh there were there were essentially two small 792 01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:03,760 hatches on each end of Northwoods subdivision and this is where they came 793 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:07,359 in and cut out and overlaid a larger stretch of it. uh cut into the lines 794 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,920 they had painted which I'm sure in the remedies as well. 795 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,160 » That's on the list. Yes, sir. >> As is back filling that area with 796 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,960 gravel. >> Yes. Because this is where you'd turn 797 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,119 out. Not that it would be on it much because it's where we would turn into 798 01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:19,200 the subdivision. >> Yes, sir. 799 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:24,720 » But if you'll look down that street if you vision with me, see this winess? And 800 01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:31,520 I guess my question was was there any shimming originally in the proposal to 801 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:37,280 bring that subgrade the old road up to a flatter road prior to the overlay? Uh, 802 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:40,400 no sir. It was a It was uh, you know, just purely an overlay job. There wasn't 803 01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:44,640 a shimming involved with it. No sir. >> Is it a 2inch overlay? 804 01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:49,119 » Yes sir. >> What was your question? 805 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:53,000 » How thick the overlay was? 2 in. How thick the overlay was 806 01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:03,760 on a job of this size. Just off the top of your head, 807 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:10,240 I know there machines that you can run across to level the existing surface. 808 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:13,680 Uh, and this apparently I could see from here on this photograph that that 809 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:19,039 there's some people places there that are not level. How much would it add to 810 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:24,079 a project of this size to have that machine go in and to level that surface 811 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:28,960 as mayor had just mentioned to bring it back to a level surface before we shim? 812 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:34,400 » It's called shimming. Thank you. shim this entire project 813 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:37,280 » with the existing surface >> prior to if we started prior 814 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:44,400 » delay we just say if we just started over again and we for future reference 815 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:50,720 » the shimming of this would it cost 20% or 50% more project 816 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:56,079 » no s not on the magnitude of 50% more you're down closer to the the 20% 817 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:59,920 » 20% which seems to me would be apparently from looking at this roaded 818 01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:03,760 not evenings that it would have been a good investment for us to spend that 819 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:07,920 additional 20% to do that. Something that the council may look forward to and 820 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:12,160 Jimmy, we may consider that and I think you just talked about that on center 821 01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:17,040 street. This is right here. If I saw this is the new job and that was my 822 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:21,279 neighborhood, I say looks like we've got a roller coaster here. 823 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:24,279 Let me be fair. It's much better than it was. 824 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:32,000 but better than it was. It's the standard that we're looking for when we 825 01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:35,440 spent $800,000 on a street project. And I guess my thought going forward is 826 01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:41,359 two years from now, is it going to be better than it was? uh going forward as 827 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:45,759 the agent I mean there not trying to put them on the spot but are there things 828 01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:49,440 that maybe we should have included in a in a proposal long enough that maybe we 829 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:54,000 didn't looking forward that we'll not want to include in the future to where 830 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:58,560 we have a better outcome of product in the end 831 01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:04,799 » there there's uh well you know there's there's certainly a lot of things you 832 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:10,960 can do you know to an asphalt road um you know 833 01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:14,000 doing an overlay is is uh probably your one of your not I wouldn't even say that 834 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:17,520 there's a lot of things you can do to preserve 835 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:21,920 » preserve a pavement you can come in and seal coat it uh you know there's things 836 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:26,319 like that and you get into an overlay there's a there's several things you can 837 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:32,640 do you know even above that you can come in and reclaim it you pulverize that 838 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:37,279 base and restabilize it and put it down and that that gives you a brand new base 839 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:43,279 it takes away from from a lot of that reflective cracking that you may see um 840 01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:47,920 the the order of magnitude of cost as you as you continue to go up that um 841 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,920 just increased. So we we were approached by doing an overlay job and that's you 842 01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:54,400 know >> certainly and that's that's no asphalt 843 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:59,280 expert. I just relying on you guys as our engineers to tell us what we got and 844 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:02,480 what we'll pay it if we got our money's worth their efficiency looking at 845 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:08,320 remedies on the back end. >> They're they're uh I would say it's you 846 01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:14,000 know, if y'all came out and said, and in fact, we did this with, you know, with 847 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:18,880 Jimmy, um, if you came out and said, you know, we want to do X, and we didn't 848 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:23,199 think it was appropriate, um, we would have had that conversation. Uh, asphalt 849 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:27,440 overlay jobs on roads such as these is is very, very common. U, we did have 850 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:31,840 places where we talked to Jimmy. He said, "You've got um some base failures 851 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:36,400 in certain spots, and we think you need to go and fix those ahead of them paving 852 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:40,719 because you're going to end up with a with a bad failure, you know, within, 853 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:49,120 you know, months of of doing the job." And so Jimmy did that uh ahead of the 854 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:53,440 project. And uh so, you know, I think uh I I would be, you know, I think the job 855 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:58,080 was done right for the type of job it was done. Um, will you have reflective 856 01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:03,679 cracking? Sure. You know, that's not uncommon on it. Asphalt roads crack. Uh, 857 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:09,600 the more you do to the subgrade in the base, the the the the least amount of 858 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:14,480 cracking you may get, but but they will still crack. And that little little 859 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:17,040 crack along the edge, um, you know, I don't I don't think is something the 860 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,640 city should. >> Certainly. And I just listen, may be 861 01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:25,520 unfair, but I drive this road every day. That's where I live. So, I kind of kept 862 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:30,000 an eye on the project. Uh, I would ask questions and before you 863 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:35,040 answer, here's why I would ask why. Were your engineers on site the whole 864 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:40,080 project? And here's the reason I asked. They spent months and I know they were 865 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:44,560 waiting on the water line relocation and and the cover the heads the head walls 866 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:48,239 being board and all that sort of thing. Um, 867 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:52,320 but it was months ongoing and then it was even I from my position like when's 868 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:56,960 this thing going to pop? What are they waiting on now? And I don't want to 869 01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:01,600 these are anecdotal timelines because I don't have them reporting. I could uh 870 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:06,080 but it seemed like they paved on a Thursday. They came and put some gravel 871 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:10,159 down on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday on my way back from church. They were 872 01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:12,560 painting lines on all just prior to the end of the year. Like they were like, 873 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:17,440 "Hey, let's get this one done and get a check." 874 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:22,640 I'm not dogging the the contractor at all, but that's the appearance that I 875 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:26,239 got to put, which makes me think that if we if we spend a month doing prep work, 876 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:32,080 it's like, okay, we're trying to do right and then in a week's time we went 877 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:37,040 in and threw it that were threw the rest of it in. So, hey, we're going to submit 878 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:40,719 an ambulance, we're bound to a loan book something or to rush something that 879 01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:44,400 maybe didn't need to be rushed. Maybe that's a fast part of the project. I 880 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:48,480 don't know that scope of it. I do know that that week after Christmas the 881 01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:53,679 shoulders had extreme failure when Jimmy Joe throw a load down they s four inches 882 01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:56,719 in sponsor more. I understand that some of that's from subbase but when you get 883 01:12:55,280 --> 01:13:00,159 the job it seems to me like you can go out and look and say hey that subbase is 884 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:04,640 low we might have to add a little more in to to have this the final product 885 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,000 what they're asking for and scope of this contract. Uh, I know when they were 886 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,360 painting lines, I haven't got out and inspected the lines, but it looked like 887 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:14,960 the gravel from the shoulders were barely even put it off the asphalt 888 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,760 before they painted the lines and potentially even painted over gravel. I 889 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:21,760 don't know if they had a sweeper truck or what. Again, they were paint lines on 890 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,120 a Sunday. I don't know. What I do know is they have gone out and put some more 891 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:29,840 rip wrap and Ford flowable fill on that concrete on that with hopes that it'll 892 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:34,000 hold in the main flow area there because that was an upstate 893 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,679 just from the surface kind of the smell test to it. 894 01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:41,920 has me with the impression that cop stinks. 895 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:46,159 » So there's there's a bunch of questions. >> There were a lot 896 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:50,880 just to show you my perception. >> So let me know if I if I don't answer 897 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:56,719 one of them. Uh our inspector uh yes, we had an inspector out on site. Uh we we 898 01:13:53,840 --> 01:14:00,239 were part-time inspection. Um so they were out on site. Uh did they catch 899 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:04,640 every little thing that the contractor did? You know, no, they were they were 900 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:10,480 part-time. Um they did they were out here for the entirety of all the asphalt 901 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:14,960 paving portion of it. Uh that's a you know it's a pretty crucial piece. That's 902 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:19,360 the the main objective of the job. Um so they were out for the for the entirety 903 01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:22,800 of that. Um there are times where they weren't on site because you maybe they 904 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,920 weren't like you said they were they'd be off for a couple of days and then 905 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,920 they're back on weren'tified that that activity would be going on. Uh so uh you 906 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:34,320 know I don't believe they're out here for the the striping on a Sunday. Um, I 907 01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:38,000 think that kind of happened without us knowing about it. Uh, they weren't out 908 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:44,719 here for the installation of the gravel. Again, that that happened on a uh, you 909 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:49,120 know, without prior notice. Um, let's see. The asphalt overlay going in over a 910 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:52,560 matter of days. I believe it was two or three. I do have daily reports so that 911 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:59,040 that document these things. I'd be glad to to send them to the city um, to show 912 01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:02,880 this. Uh, but they um, that yes, that that's normal. uh they can get in and do 913 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,679 the overlay in a matter of a couple days on a project this big. Redstone's a big 914 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:12,159 contractor. They've got the the uh manpower and equipment to get in and 915 01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:17,199 pave that road quickly. Uh so they so they did do that. Uh the gravel 916 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,679 shoulders, we did have some concern with that. Like I said, we weren't out here 917 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:26,400 watching that. Uh we didn't uh feel that they compacted it well. Um, you know, 918 01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:30,800 Jimmy did some proof hurling on the edge and and found some ruts as you as you 919 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:35,199 mentioned uh right around the holidays right before after Christmas. Uh, they 920 01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:40,960 came back out and added gravel and recompacted those areas. We've found a 921 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:45,679 few more spots also recompacting those. Uh, like I mentioned, there's a I think 922 01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:49,440 some of the the the gravel ruts that we've seen are not just from the uh they 923 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:53,600 didn't show up when when Jimmy proof rolled them. Uh but some of it's there's 924 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,400 some sand and water in the ditch. As I mentioned, we've asked them to come back 925 01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:03,040 and and recreate that ditch and try to get water away so that area looks so 926 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:07,760 soupy. Uh the other area is the we called for uh uh the gravel shoulder. 927 01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:11,440 You know, there's two foot of gravel shoulder and sometimes that encroached 928 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:15,199 on a ditch and so we called for embankment to be placed to help shore 929 01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:19,440 that up and then taper that down, compact it down into the the ditch flow 930 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:23,679 line. Um, there's a few places where that wasn't done and that's on the punch 931 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:28,320 list to hopefully shore up that shoulder so it's not on a sheer drop off. 932 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:32,000 » And let me be clear, we're not trying to beat anybody out of anything that 933 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,840 » I'm just explaining everything. Yes, sir. 934 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,560 » We just we want to make sure we're getting our money's worth as a city for 935 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:39,360 our citizens. >> Yes, sir. 936 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:46,880 » Based on the the water scope provided >> and and the uh the rip wrap with the the 937 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:51,679 flow of fill in it. Uh so that and that goes back into that waterline area. What 938 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:58,320 what we had in that area before uh was uh head walls with uh a short wing wall. 939 01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:02,960 They stubbed out on both box culvers. The uh when we added the gravel 940 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:07,760 shoulders, we moved all the box covers out and rebuilt the head walls in that 941 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:12,080 area. Uh, as you all recall, we had to relocate a water line because the the 942 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:16,159 extension of the box covered and head wall was going to conflict with the 943 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:20,400 water line. So, we pushed the water line out. There's a sanitary sewer manhole on 944 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,760 the outside of the water line. So, we couldn't push the water line uh and then 945 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:28,239 we have right strength. So, we didn't push the water line any further than was 946 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,920 needed to install the box. What that did do is limit us with the ability of 947 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:37,360 installing a big wing wall back on the box. Uh so it was a straight flush head 948 01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:42,400 wall and talking with Jimmy after that was done he he you know he mentioned 949 01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:45,600 that water uh goes through one of the uh head walls one of the culberts on the 950 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:49,760 regular basis but when you get a high flow event kind of kind of jumps over 951 01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:53,120 and it'll overflow through the other culbert. He said when that happens you 952 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:58,880 tend to get water shorting up there. So he was concerned about the edge of the 953 01:17:54,480 --> 01:18:02,239 road. Um where we left it was is let's talk about you there's a couple options. 954 01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:05,920 We could install rip wrap in that area. we could look at trying to install a a 955 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:10,000 head wall, solid head wall all the way across from boxer to box cover. I said, 956 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:15,199 you know, one is is your most cost-effective option and the other is 957 01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:18,320 your is your uh is a is a more costly option. I said, let's get, you know, 958 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:22,239 this is where it's at today. Let's finish the job super route with a budget 959 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:25,520 and have that conversation. Um, in the meantime, you know, we mentioned that to 960 01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:28,159 the contractor, didn't give him direction either way. And on the 961 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:31,760 meantime, he came out and installed rip wrap the way he did. Uh Jimmy and I 962 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,640 looked at it and said, "You know, this sitting the way we even want this rip 963 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:37,840 wrap installed. We didn't really have a conversation about this." He goes, 964 01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:41,040 "Yeah, I know, but don't worry about it. I had this extra rip wrap. I'm just 965 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,440 trying to help the city out. Let me, you know, there's no charge. Let me just get 966 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:48,960 it in there." >> We talked to him about uh you know, he 967 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:52,480 hadn't done it right. So, he decided uh in working with Jimmy, let's let's put 968 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:57,440 flowable fill to try to shore that up and make it make it more sound. So, that 969 01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:04,159 that kind of went in without a lot of uh discussion. um you know it is the most 970 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:07,280 cost effective method of doing that um um you know given the circumstance of 971 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:12,800 all the utilities and everything in that area. So so that's how that uh uh got to 972 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:16,960 where it is today. Yes sir. >> Do I have any additional questions? 973 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,199 » Who was it called director? >> Great stuff. 974 01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:25,120 And I think it's going to come down to once the punch list is completed, 975 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,880 invoices submitted, if we've got any more questions at that point, we can ask 976 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:32,159 because now it seems like we're bringing up points that maybe are being 977 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:36,480 addressed. So >> yes, sir, we're going to work through 978 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:41,040 the punch list. Uh they have submitted a uh pay estimate. Uh that's what we're 979 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:47,440 using to develop the cost. I wrote out to you to the council tonight. Uh that's 980 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:53,440 for uh items completed. it does hold with uh retainage of about $58,000 that 981 01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:59,440 that that's written into the contract to withhold that retainage for addressing 982 01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:04,560 punch list type items. And so uh you know it was our intention to uh we'd be 983 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:08,800 glad to do this either way is submit that one pay estimate, work through 984 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:12,880 these items with the retainage uh in mind. Uh or we can we can work out the 985 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:20,400 items and then and then submit the pay estimate uh after those are addressed. 986 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:25,440 When you're doing a road such as this one, 987 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:30,480 would it not be something that's kind of automatic to 988 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:39,280 want to do what we could to make that road smooth and it's level or is that 989 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:44,960 just something we just I drove down it this week a couple of 990 01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:49,600 times and uh I noticed it's pretty wavy. maybe, 991 01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:54,080 you know, and then the cracks and then I guess just right after they put the 992 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:57,600 pavement down seems like over, am I wrong over there 993 01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:01,600 in front of Northwoods, there was almost like a a big soft spot there and stuff 994 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:07,520 like that. >> Yeah, there's some there were dips worse 995 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:11,440 dips in the original better than it was. 996 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:15,360 again in my mind not the standard when when 997 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:20,560 you pay 100,000 like man I'm on a new road is what I'm I guess is where what 998 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:24,719 maybe my expectations are where the contract was I didn't sign the contract 999 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,159 but Jimmy you want to help me out here with 1000 01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:31,120 » yeah we wouldn't build the three well 1001 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:35,480 » true >> you know so 1002 01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:44,199 if we' have shimmed that whole road you know the the asphalt would have probably 1003 01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:50,400 double got all of 1004 01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:58,800 » the waves out. >> The waves out. Yeah. And 1005 01:21:54,880 --> 01:22:07,120 at that time, you know, we was already looking at a pretty good size project. 1006 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:11,679 » You said around 20%, right? I yeah I don't I don't know the number 1007 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:15,199 to be I mean to shim it what you're going to do is 1008 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:19,840 look at essentially what you' had to do is look at every valley between high 1009 01:22:16,719 --> 01:22:24,239 points and and add layers of asphalt until you got it smooth. 1010 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:30,639 » You may have had six inches of asphalt sort of in 20 foot section you may have 1011 01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:34,400 had two inches >> well 1012 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,960 » to really floated it out shimmed it out. I don't think we're talking about 1013 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,480 different things because double the asphalt may have only been 20% of the 1014 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:44,840 project. >> I I'll say this, out of the 1015 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:54,800 the total project had about $230,000 of uh asphalt overlay in it. So, you 1016 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:59,920 know, you could look at adding 50% to that easily. So, it could be another 1017 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:04,080 $100,000 $150,000. Hard hard, you know, it's hard to it's impossible for us to 1018 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:08,080 predict. They they'd have come out and and shimmed it until they got it. 1019 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,199 » Again, I said before, >> not looking anybody up anything, 1020 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:16,880 » right? >> I just want to make sure before we pay 1021 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:19,199 any invoices that we in fact got >> everything we asked for based on the 1022 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:24,560 contract. >> Yes, sir. That's that's the way this job 1023 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:28,560 uh from day one was. It's going to be a >> an overlay job. It's a it's a local 1024 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:36,239 street, you know, speed limit. >> Yes, sir. Now, I'll I'll admit, 1025 01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:42,480 you know, I didn't know a lot about it, the 1026 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:48,719 contracting it out, because I've always pretty much done it myself, you know, in 1027 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:53,920 house other than laying the ass off far as the prep work. 1028 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:59,360 And so, I've learned a lot on this project, 1029 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:06,000 too. you know, going forward to another 1030 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:13,360 project. And it I don't know, it seemed to me like 1031 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:18,639 we're both learning something on this. I know he's the engineer, 1032 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:26,639 but still from the very start, 1033 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:30,639 you know, it we should have had it served. There's so 1034 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:36,239 many different things that we should have done in it. 1035 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:46,000 regular blueprint. You know it you 1036 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:50,960 uh to answer the questions on the levels of the street 1037 01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:55,840 ahead. So you accurately bidded the project without 1038 01:24:53,760 --> 01:25:03,760 making up numbers. So you you needed to go and do a full tobo survey uh on on a 1039 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:08,880 mile long road. That in itself can cost a lot a lot of money and is not standard 1040 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:13,440 for just an overlay job on a local city street. Uh that that's it's a 1041 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:17,679 significant cost item to a project. But it's I even know the answer. 1042 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:21,600 » A balance between economically feasible efficiency is that between 1043 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:25,360 feasible >> and what we need. 1044 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:29,120 » Uh I'm not saying the whole road needed to 1045 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:33,760 be shimmed as a perfect zero grade road. That's not 1046 01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:39,920 » that would been pretty much what would have had to done to pull the 1047 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,239 you know made it smooth. >> I'm not an asphalt guy. I'm not a road 1048 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:49,280 guy you jo That's the only road that I can remember 1049 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:53,360 being on anywhere around here. It's you know you go along there like that. But 1050 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:56,560 don't go >> sir. 1051 01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:01,199 » Some Well, I had uh I I don't expect this other project 1052 01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:01,920 over here on Center Street to be that way. 1053 01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:03,679 » No, >> it don't need to be that way. 1054 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:08,880 » No, >> but I don't want to go do a top too 1055 01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:13,040 survey and do all that stuff. It just needs to be right and smooth. 1056 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:18,960 » Doesn't seem to be like this. That's being 1057 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:22,800 » I've got two streets in town. That's that one and Paradise Circle. 1058 01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:26,239 » Is that a new street over Paradise Circle? You know, 1059 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:32,239 » we spent a lot of money a few years back on 1060 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:37,280 completely digging out undercutting 3 and 1/2 4T 1061 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:40,280 to make it right. Compacted. 1062 01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,880 It's still 1063 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:52,400 for some reason it's still you know it's got 1064 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:56,000 I don't know if you call it kind of the natural role to it. 1065 01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:59,920 » So Mr. Moore do you have an invoice tonight? Is that what you were saying? 1066 01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,400 » Not to present to council. I was letting you know where this the project status 1067 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:07,199 is. >> Yes sir. But you're saying that invoice 1068 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:12,639 would be roughly $715,000 holding back the 58,000 to complete the $773,000. 1069 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:16,080 » Yes, sir. Roughly. >> Thank you, sir. We'll get that invoice 1070 01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:21,280 and hear from your punch list. I think we'll be able to move forward. 1071 01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:26,080 » But all the roads on that overlay project, they're not like North 1072 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:31,080 M. >> And you're doing the prep work on this 1073 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,080 as well. 1074 01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:37,719 Be smart. Yes. I want you to drive. 1075 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,920 » Thank you. Thank you, Jim. Thank you very much. 1076 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,920 » Thank you all. 1077 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:50,600 » All right. Another engineer engineering firm. 1078 01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:06,560 » Yes, I believe this. And this is in reference to the uh the sewer project. 1079 01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:10,800 The council has a resolution in place to continue forward with the force main 1080 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:16,239 project at Conway for we I say we discussed it at the workshop 1081 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:23,040 but we kind of thrown some caution out there based on the rate that Conway for 1082 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:27,920 presented u as a as a perism rate and and other things. We discussed it at the 1083 01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:31,600 workshop. Mr. marks at all uh in that workshop, but that's why we're going to 1084 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:37,440 kind of overview the see if we can kind of get some direction going forward. 1085 01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:42,159 » Yeah. So, I guess 12 months ago, 18 months ago, probably now check back when 1086 01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:47,360 y'all approve the moving forward with the pump station enforcement project. We 1087 01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:55,440 started down that pathway and we were going to go ANRC funding. We did that 1088 01:28:50,159 --> 01:29:01,280 seeking infrastructure money last fall meeting. You did receive an offer, but 1089 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:08,000 the offer was loan only, no grant component, no infrastructure component. 1090 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:14,320 So loan only at 4% for 20 years um for 11.5 million that would fund the 1091 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:20,719 project. You have to accept that offer by Friday uh 31st. So essentially it's 1092 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:26,719 the 30th Friday. So you'd have to accept that offer by Friday. We have been 1093 01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:32,400 asking for a definitive rate per thousand gallon hallway corporation for 1094 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:36,400 about a year. So once you got the offer we you know said hey we we really need 1095 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:42,080 this number. They responded I think right before the count of the county 1096 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:49,040 workshop a couple weeks ago at 650 was the initial. Um, and I responded and 1097 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:57,679 they brought it actually down to four $4 per thousand. Um, so that's what this 1098 01:29:53,360 --> 01:30:04,239 top chart that's on the top represents. It took that $4 per thousand 1099 01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:11,040 um and used an assumed average daily flow, calculating the annual cost at $4 1100 01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:17,520 per thousand and calculated the additional revenue required for your 1101 01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:24,400 sewer rate to cover that. And we looked at uh the water component there is that 1102 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:30,400 if you added a fixed charge on the water $5 per month or $10 per month or $15 per 1103 01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:38,159 month on the water the remaining would be funded by sewer alone. Obviously you 1104 01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:44,000 have about twice as many more than that >> maybe 1105 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:50,080 I have to look you have 3200 water, 1200 sewer customers. say he had more than 1106 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:54,719 twice as many water customers. Uh so this gives you the breakdown between 1107 01:30:51,600 --> 01:31:01,600 each the common core compation and force main project versus um looking back at a 1108 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:06,800 wastewater treatment plant project. Now there are a couple issues. 1109 01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:10,239 We he gave us the go-ahhead 18 months ago or so. We've got everything 1110 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:15,360 designed. We've got health department approval. We've got all the easements 1111 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:20,639 ready to send out and we've gotten all the updated title search done. So, we're 1112 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:26,239 ready to send easements before we even have the offer letter. Um, we're just 1113 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:33,040 waiting on that. So, you've already spent that money. The other thing I did 1114 01:31:28,639 --> 01:31:39,360 check with uh Conway um Fner County rather um with Tom Anderson and he did 1115 01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:45,199 confer that you will not receive any additional funding if you abandon the 1116 01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:51,120 money that's been allocated. The issue is they had to have those funds 1117 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:57,120 obligated by December 31st 2024 which y'all signed a contract I think in 1118 01:31:52,960 --> 01:32:01,040 November October previous May of 2024. going towards the force management 1119 01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:06,480 project. So because those were obligated that way, they can't retroactively 1120 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:12,239 change that. They they've got a catch all project that they already had 1121 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:16,800 approved. If any if any projects, you know, undercut or whatever, they had 1122 01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:23,280 additional money left over, they have a way to spend it. So they will not they 1123 01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:28,080 will not allow you to carry any of this county money remaining over like you 1124 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:33,360 know if you don't if you don't purchase the eence that's going to be $800,000 1125 01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:36,920 you can't carry that into waste water treatment project. 1126 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:45,760 Um so we've been talking about you know different 1127 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:52,159 feasibility here of each project. you know, $4 is what they said now, $4 per 1128 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:58,560 thousand. And they do they did mention a 2% increase, annual increase. So, that 1129 01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:03,679 would be on top of that. And then, you know, you we you could possibly 1130 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:08,560 negotiate maybe lock in that $4 in, but it's not they're probably not going to 1131 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:13,440 lock in very long. So, if they start at 650, it's like how long it take to get 1132 01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:17,760 650? We were basing all of our preliminary numbers and stuff. We were 1133 01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:22,800 looking at kind of the break even cost. I was assuming it would be around $3 1134 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:28,080 somewhere in that range. And I was looking at their automated financials 1135 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:31,600 and their treatment plant cost. Um you could look at their financials. It 1136 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:36,239 breaks out their wastewater treatment plant cost. It's not broken up by plant. 1137 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:41,280 So it includes two plants. You don't want to be contributing to one a larger 1138 01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:44,639 plant, $2 value. But I just did some math of the envelope, you know, 1139 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:51,760 calculations, making some assumptions. I don't have all the data, but uh the 650 1140 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:56,639 was way out of the ballpark. Well, kind of 10,000 foot view based on what I've 1141 01:33:53,760 --> 01:34:00,800 seen, we would as far as the capacity of their 1142 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:05,120 we would be, if I did my math right, roughly 116th of that capacity. 1143 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:08,719 » It should be less than 5% of that capacity. 1144 01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:12,239 » Yeah. 116th 120th of that capacity. and they're trying to bill us at closer to 1145 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:17,440 1/8 of their operating cost. >> I mean, yeah, I, you know, I expected it 1146 01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:25,040 to be maybe, you know, three time, you know, two to three times um the grow 1147 01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:28,560 rated ODM cost because, you know, you're not you're not really impacting any of 1148 01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:32,639 their infrastructure other than the treatment plant itself. 1149 01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:39,600 » Um, so that was kind of how I was basing my $3 figure. Um, obviously I was 1150 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:43,440 » and they're roughly charging us what they would charge customers for. 1151 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:47,280 » I mean, they they did drop it to $4, but I mean I guess obviously everybody's 1152 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:53,600 down concerned. How can you drop from $650 to $4 overnight? Uh, so that's 1153 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:57,360 maybe more more of a concern. They just >> So basically, if you're willing to pay 1154 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:01,440 for it, they'll take it. But really, they really don't want 1155 01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:06,480 » Yeah. I mean, that's honestly that's when I saw the 650. I was like, they're 1156 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:11,280 trackless. But they did come day off. >> Here's my concern. 1157 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:16,920 I've seen this, man. I've seen more illustrations than I care ever seen in 1158 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,920 my life. 1159 01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:24,000 And this is the way I feel. Whether I'm right or wrong, I don't know. But the 1160 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:28,400 way I feel is out of three mayors now, there's been 1161 01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:32,960 one that's actually took the bull by the horns and read the contracts and figured 1162 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:37,199 it out to where actually can feel somewhat comfortable with with a 1163 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:43,520 proposal. >> And I'd like to I hope we can cast out 1164 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:46,719 all the stuff that we don't need and focus on what we do need. 1165 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,679 » I hope that piece of paper I just gave you will do that if you if you if you'll 1166 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,960 just >> work with you for a sec. 1167 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:55,679 » Carry on. I'm listening. I'm all ears. >> So that piece of paper, it's hard to 1168 01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:00,080 tell what's front and back, but look at there's a table on the top of the front. 1169 01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:07,520 Those highlighted rates are where we are at their $4 per thousand. 1170 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:11,199 Those monthly increase numbers. Uh no matter how we disperse it to 1171 01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:16,960 customers, whether it's solely water, water, sewer, solely sewer, 1172 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:20,960 that's the amount per customer that we're going to have to 1173 01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:26,239 increase a bill per month of the debt service per month. Uh the on the left 1174 01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:29,440 side you'll see that's the force main project. That's that's right now where 1175 01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:33,920 we're headed and where we're voting toward. On the right, you'll see that 1176 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:39,360 would be the wastewater treatment plant, the STR project if we kept it in house 1177 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:46,560 and did it here. So, you'll notice about an $8 savings. Um, just there 1178 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:50,560 to keep it in house. Now, I want to clear the air because most 1179 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:54,960 everyone at this table knows that I was a councilman that voted nay on this to 1180 01:36:53,119 --> 01:37:01,520 begin with. This is not a vendetta against that. Fully ready to sign. What 1181 01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:05,920 the council had voted on I think back in August was was the last vote on that may 1182 01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:10,880 have been before may have been in May. I've got the minutes for the meeting. 1183 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,480 I wanted to pump the brakes on this before I signed that intent letter with 1184 01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:18,400 ANRC because we're already going to have to 1185 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:23,040 go up on customer rates. But what we're looking at is paying even more as 1186 01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:26,880 customer rates to give up the local control of our series 1187 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:32,800 for the foreseeable future. You're going to have to pay on this 10% more up to 1188 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:37,600 12% more to give up our local control. Send it to Como Court and some of the 1189 01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:41,840 more costings and I spelled this out in the notes that I gave you in the 1190 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:45,040 workshop meeting. If we go to combo court, they could immediately call our 1191 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:48,880 hand on our collection system that requires about $5 million worth of 1192 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:52,080 improvements per the contract. They could immediately 1193 01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:55,280 say, "Hey, oh, by the way, you need to take out another 5 million debt service 1194 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,800 to fix those pump stations." >> Well, they were willing to take that 1195 01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:02,400 out. We we talked specifically about that. It's like you set the rate for 1196 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,480 whatever. It's like because you really have no control over 1197 01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:07,440 » I'm only saying that because it wasn't stricken from the contract. 1198 01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:11,280 » They revised that contract >> in how many months? 1199 01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:14,560 Uh we sent red lines. >> It was in August. 1200 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:16,719 » It was Yeah. before the other mayor departed. So 1201 01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:20,239 » the only reason we got a per thousand rate that we haven't gotten in the five 1202 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:26,000 years we've been working on this is because I asked and Mr. Beridge Preston 1203 01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:31,119 and they gave it to us like two weeks ago. 1204 01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:35,199 The day before the workshop meeting. >> Um 1205 01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:38,159 you're saying make it more simple. I broke it down to what it actually looks 1206 01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:41,920 like as a customer because I'm going be honest guys, if we're not taking the 1207 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:45,840 customers into account and what it actually looks like for them, we're not 1208 01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:48,880 doing our jobs. And so I know there's a lot of numbers 1209 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:53,199 there and I guess I could have color coded it and made it easier. Um, but if 1210 01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:58,000 you look down where it says estimated at the bottom of that page, if we add $10 1211 01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:02,639 to a fixed water rate to all water customers currently on a 5,000 gallon 1212 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:07,119 customer, that's just pulling a number out of average customer 5,000 gallon a 1213 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:13,360 month. Currently for water and sewer vessels paying12920 a month 1214 01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:20,159 with the force main project combat that would go up to 19507 a month giving up 1215 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:24,800 control of sending it to con with the wastewater treatment plant the 1216 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:31,199 SDR system it could potentially only increase that to 186 per month still an 1217 01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:36,159 increase still an unpopular increase a necessary evil but it's less of an 1218 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:40,639 impact on rateayers and we keep the local control. I'll get back to more of 1219 01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:46,199 that in just a minute. There's a couple of other proposals here. There's a lot 1220 01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:46,199 of work if you want to look there. 1221 01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:52,239 I can't promise this because they're not on the ground. I'm not going to sit here 1222 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:55,119 and promise houses that aren't built. There are houses being built right now 1223 01:39:53,679 --> 01:40:01,840 in Mayflower that are not in these numbers with this debt service. There's 1224 01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:06,800 projected in the next 10 years. Chris Matthews told me 1,200 homes in 1225 01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:11,600 the next 10 years based on three on paper projects that 1226 01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:14,320 are just before being presented to planning commissioning going forward. I 1227 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:22,000 don't want to do that. I'm being conservative and saying 600 homes. That 1228 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:25,360 adds 50% to our sewer revenue. And Mr. Beckers, if I'm lying, stop me 1229 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:29,360 right here. Without adding a great deal of impact on our SDL system. Am I 1230 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,840 correct in saying that >> the operating cost is not going to 1231 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:37,119 » right >> go up substantially 1232 01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:42,480 » but our potential revenues from customer rates would increase by 50%. 1233 01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:47,119 That would then allow us the extra money to build infrastructure to fix those 1234 01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:51,679 pump houses. It would allow us the extra money to pay down this debt quicker and 1235 01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:54,480 lower rates for it. >> This thing could be going forward in 15 1236 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:58,639 years. Oh, >> I will say this though. I mean I I 1237 01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:06,320 I like where you're going with that. However, what we saw what we saw with 1238 01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:11,440 this wastewater treatment plan, you know, at first it was $2 million and it 1239 01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:16,000 was $4 million. That's $12 million. I mean, it's just and that was in the span 1240 01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:20,560 of a couple of years. So, you're talking in 10 years, you're still estimating 1241 01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:24,400 that the $5 million that we're going to need to replace infrastructure is going 1242 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:29,199 to be $5 million. That might be $30 million in 10 years. 1243 01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:34,880 And I'm taking I'm taking for granted that you weren't at this meeting. It's 1244 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:39,119 only the electrical as well. So it's only the electrical improvements for 1245 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:41,119 your existing station which is why Ren asked me to evaluate. 1246 01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:44,320 » Yes. >> Although let me put let me put a pause 1247 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:48,239 on that for just a second looking at vision because we've always been 1248 01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:53,360 reactive instead of proactive. I've also had this discussion with Raymond and Mr. 1249 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:57,040 Breenidge. That's if we contract it out. We were just talking earlier in this 1250 01:41:54,639 --> 01:42:01,360 meeting about needing additional water personnel to look for leaks to do these 1251 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:06,880 things. Now granted, you may not send an electrician out to this, but if we were 1252 01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:11,600 able to save the money to do it and have someone on staff as an operator at this 1253 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:16,560 station and things like that and to rebuild those things, to do those things 1254 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:20,639 over time in kind that 5 million may come down to three million, three and a 1255 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:25,040 half. I'm shooting at the wall there. But if we can do them anyhow instead of 1256 01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:31,280 contracting them out, we've got personnel on hand that can do things 1257 01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:36,480 that we're hiring with that and sales to do it ourselves. Plus going toward the 1258 01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:40,719 future where when we double our population that's not on the ground 1259 01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:45,199 yet. But when we double it, we've got revenues that are pouring in. We're now 1260 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:51,520 building infrastructure instead of being reactive and sending it 1261 01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:56,159 with increasing electric field. Um, additionally on that one, and I want to 1262 01:42:53,199 --> 01:43:01,679 mention this for you, Mr. Marks, one of the big issues when we voted on 1263 01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:05,280 this back whenever it was was looking at the shifting goalpost in 1264 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:11,280 AD, the shifting um regulations, if you 1265 01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:16,719 will, in our current system, you it's really not set up to handle the shift. 1266 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:21,760 You have to add to the system. this proposed system with the $8 million 1267 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:26,000 debt service as opposed to the 11.5 million to go home with what was $3.5 1268 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:29,760 million cheaper upfront to keep it in Mayflower there. Now granted it washes 1269 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:34,080 out with the different rates if you'll take a private rate on the 1270 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:40,000 » the other I did factor that in. So that's why the 1271 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:45,280 break even changed. Yes. 321. Now, if you factor in the different debt service 1272 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:49,679 coverage ratio required to provide versus public and the different interest 1273 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,239 rate >> and I'm not trying to get in the weeds 1274 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:55,520 here, but let me explain why that is too. Why the debt service still looks 1275 01:43:53,760 --> 01:44:01,199 closer even though that's 11 and a half and this is only 80. With a private 1276 01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:05,440 bond, we have to set back 20% addition to our debt service. Whereas with the 1277 01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:10,159 ANRC bond, it's only 10%. But with that 20% to debt service, once 1278 01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:16,239 that's collected, that's infrastructure money that can then be shut next year to 1279 01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:19,040 those banks. Am I wrong on that? >> Um, well, you'll have to have you'll 1280 01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,840 have to keep >> you have to keep that 20% 1281 01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:24,639 » that's 20%. >> But once it's gained in that first year 1282 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,639 or whatever, >> as long as Yeah. As long as you're 1283 01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:32,880 keeping 20% of the debt service, you're covering. So 1284 01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:36,960 » that's 200,000 a year roughly that that every year after that 1285 01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:41,040 that can be used to pay somebody to deal with those in house or to put back 1286 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:45,920 contract bills without having to absorb new debt service. 1287 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:49,679 » If you think back to the original discussion I mean the only thing that's 1288 01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:56,639 really changed is that >> now we have a definitive contract of 1289 01:44:52,320 --> 01:45:01,360 mouth called for at $4 per thousand. It was always kind of you were having to 1290 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:07,520 weigh how much do we weigh shifting the burden of treatment to another utility 1291 01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:10,320 versus keeping it in the house and we you know we had to make some 1292 01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:18,239 assumptions. You don't have separate audits. So basically we assume that the 1293 01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:26,080 current treatment plant um operating costs were 15% of the total. So it's 1294 01:45:21,679 --> 01:45:30,159 basically 50/50 and then um 30% of that was considered be towards the treatment 1295 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:35,679 versus collection system. >> Those were just talking with Brandon 1296 01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:37,440 kind of a best guess because you don't really have 1297 01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:41,040 » well we're fixing to start doing independent reviews somewhere in the 1298 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:46,880 next five years of sewer and water independent audits based on that 605. 1299 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:51,440 But here's what it breaks down to. Just 10,000 foot. If you want to dig into the 1300 01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:56,800 weeds, believe me, my wife got on to me for laying in bed last night. She said, 1301 01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:59,520 "What are you doing?" I said, "Math." Because I was running these numbers in 1302 01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:05,760 my head instead of sleeping. I had been for weeks. 1303 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:10,080 Here's what it boils down to. Keep it going forward. Send it to 504. 1304 01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:14,560 You're going to spend more money with higher rates and lose control of what 1305 01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:20,080 you can do from now on. or you spend less on it, 1306 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:23,760 lower rates, and you keep it in house for something that we can build to in 1307 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:27,040 the future. What I was getting to, the SPR system, 1308 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:32,639 we don't have to worry about the shifting goal post. The way that's set 1309 01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:36,960 up, this is the science behind it. You essentially just change your cycle time 1310 01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:42,239 in that system and it treats the water to whatever levels that they want and 1311 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:46,080 then sends it out. eight billion dollars building there. Also had a discussion 1312 01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:50,639 with Mr. Breenidge because I'm a plan for the worst hope for the best guy. We 1313 01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:55,520 could probably value engineer that and we obviously you can't put it on paper. 1314 01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:58,800 Could potentially value engineer that substantially less than 8 million. Is 1315 01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:03,600 that a fair statement? Potentially. >> I wouldn't say substantially, but you 1316 01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:07,040 could shout beds coming in and we can value engineer it to 1317 01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:10,639 » because we have the lagoons to hold the sludge. We might be able to use 1318 01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:15,280 elevation instead of pumps to send out the water. But again, if we're looking 1319 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:18,719 at adding 60% in the next 10 years of revenue coming in, 1320 01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:22,560 either that revenue will all go to finally pour or we can use it to build 1321 01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:26,239 here. >> Do we want to do a whole lot of value 1322 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:29,280 engineering to sell this? >> When we say value engineering, it would 1323 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:34,880 be like there have to be legumes to hold sludge that comes out of the reactor 1324 01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:38,960 tank. And we actually have lagoons from our current system where we could store 1325 01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:41,760 that probably we'll say probably 20 years worth before we'd have to pay for 1326 01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:46,639 removal of that. >> Yeah. So I mean there are other you know 1327 01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:50,239 it's basically it's a way to meet the budget. You get the bids in hand and 1328 01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:54,960 then you work with a low the low bidder the contractor say where where can we 1329 01:47:52,719 --> 01:48:01,280 shave some to save some money. And mostly what you're looking at is trading 1330 01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:05,440 convenience for more. So more labor. So, you know, like looking at things you can 1331 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:09,920 do like instead of having the UV system in a building that's heated and you can 1332 01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:14,159 just do a pavilion, you can make pro, you know, it's just you make certain 1333 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:17,920 provisions and cuts to try to meet a budget that you're looking for. It 1334 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:24,400 doesn't take any functionality away, but take some of the user friendliness away. 1335 01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:27,679 » I just want to be sure we don't cut corners as well. We're cutting 1336 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:31,920 objective. >> Yeah, I don't think it really, but it 1337 01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:35,520 wouldn't affect your permit. You've got to meet the permit that's there. That 1338 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:41,520 still remains the unknown. But like I said, with a volume based system, 1339 01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:46,159 a cycle based system rather than volume based system 1340 01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:52,080 you get out more easily. But it with a change in administration 1341 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:57,840 would change drastically to the to the either side. So right now 1342 01:48:55,760 --> 01:49:01,440 there's a lot of less regulations we have product but get a different 1343 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,159 administration a different EPA administrator they can start hammering 1344 01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:07,280 on >> let me speak to that though within this 1345 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:12,159 contract as well >> don't think if if the administration and 1346 01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:16,000 they shift the gold post substantially don't think that our rates are going to 1347 01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:19,920 reflect that common board because it's spelled in that contract that if the 1348 01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:24,400 rates change and different thing if if the regulations change then that'll get 1349 01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:27,520 passed in now on skills of economy all will be as big of an impact. 1350 01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:31,520 » Yeah. I mean, they already have nutrient c nutrient removal capability. So, 1351 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:33,840 they're I guess better suited to handle it 1352 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:37,600 » per per contract as well. And I'll say this, Connelly 1353 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:42,639 is is I don't even remember where I heard this, so I'm speaking gossip here. 1354 01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:46,400 They're anticipating their population nearly double in the next 10 years and 1355 01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:50,400 they're going to have to expand their system. And then the contract, we would 1356 01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:53,520 be on the hook for the debt service as well with the expansion of that 1357 01:49:51,679 --> 01:50:01,239 contract. extension system. 1358 01:49:56,159 --> 01:50:01,239 » Again, the 10,000 foot leaf question is 1359 01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:07,679 do we invest in common or do we invest in us 1360 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:11,119 and it's cheaper to invest in us? That's as simple as I could put it and it's 1361 01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:16,159 probably oversimplistic >> and honestly the reason this all started 1362 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:18,960 is well comic came to us at the county meeting. Hey, you want to look at 1363 01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:23,119 infrastructure? There's money out there. Talk to ARC. Oh, yeah. Infrastructure is 1364 01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:27,199 going to rate high. Of course, you ended up, you know, we exhausted every avenue. 1365 01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:30,400 We ended up not getting any roof. I mean, even though it was an 1366 01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:34,800 infrastructure project, of course, Conway Corp actually changed that. 1367 01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:39,520 Originally, it was a true u regionalization project. I'm saying it's 1368 01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:43,360 just a regionalization project, but they after they looked at your election 1369 01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:47,280 system, they changed it from a true regionalization to a master meter 1370 01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:51,600 arrangement versus not meet the regionalization requirement. But that's 1371 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:57,440 kind of how we ended up, I guess, where we are. We've moved down that path now. 1372 01:50:55,119 --> 01:51:01,520 You finally got a contract number and it's kind of like here's the decision 1373 01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:06,000 time. You've either got to set the ANRC loan. If you don't sign that and send it 1374 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:11,679 in by Friday, they will deobligate those funds. You would just have to uh reapply 1375 01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:17,280 if you wanted an ANRC loan in the future. Or you can do private placement 1376 01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:24,159 bonds, which honestly, you know, now you're probably going to be 70 75 basis 1377 01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:28,639 points or so, uh maybe 100 basis points above 1378 01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:34,000 the the ANRC rate. Is there a potential that we could get this project funded 1379 01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:38,639 through ANRC in the next year? >> There is. Yeah. I mean, it I I think you 1380 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:42,159 would probably get a loan offer again if you revised it. If you're saying you 1381 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:45,119 revised it to wastewater treatment plant and then reapply. 1382 01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:48,400 » So, we're going to be in the same shape. We're in the same rate. So, that debt 1383 01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:51,280 service number is going to come down even more 1384 01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,040 » potentially. >> Yeah. I mean, I would make that 1385 01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:57,520 decision. >> I would expect them. You can't say for 1386 01:51:54,960 --> 01:52:02,719 sure because they only have a limited budget in the second loan fund. They did 1387 01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:08,760 turn some away. They didn't award everybody a loan, but I would expect you 1388 01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,760 to get a loan author 1389 01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:17,679 on a revised project, but there's no guarantee. 1390 01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:23,159 You can always get you can get the money in a private still be cheaper than the 1391 01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:23,159 other law. 1392 01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:34,800 It's my biggest thing that cheaper 1393 01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:40,639 and it's not valuable. They're going to be cheaper. 1394 01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:45,679 Only kids can down the road while we're like this town is done forever. And 1395 01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:54,080 that's why we're in the situation we're in now. I want to be sure that in 10 1396 01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:57,080 years we don't have the same hard crappy system 1397 01:52:57,119 --> 01:53:03,760 with higher rates and then we're going to have to raise raise the rates again 1398 01:53:01,679 --> 01:53:07,280 because we still have the same crappy system. 1399 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:12,800 You will have to spend more in labor cost if you put an SPR system in. You're 1400 01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:17,360 going to need more operator time on site than you do now system. You're going to 1401 01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:20,480 have that class three operator >> if that's figured into this debt service 1402 01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:25,199 as well. Is it? >> It's estimated. Yes. 1403 01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:31,360 » Again, it's not like this is in addition to that's these numbers. 1404 01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:34,960 » Currently, we only have one operator. Raymond is the only licensed operator on 1405 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:39,880 staff. >> Again, we need two operators. 1406 01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,880 » Yeah. 1407 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:50,800 So, as you said, I mean, we've exhausted this six ways from Sunday over the last 1408 01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:53,679 two and a half years, but um happy to answer any questions we have. 1409 01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:57,520 » Gentlemen, I wouldn't have brought it back up if 1410 01:53:55,679 --> 01:54:02,560 the expression is the game hadn't changed. We have the rate change with 1411 01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:08,800 not getting any grant funding. We're looking at an 11.5 million check to sign 1412 01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:12,400 as opposed to an $8 million check. Again, 1413 01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:17,040 and knowing what it's going to do to rate payers. Well, it's just literally 1414 01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:23,360 if you look on that last page, this was a spelled up proposal that made guys. 1415 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:27,760 If we went with the wastewater treatment plant with this given net service, we 1416 01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:32,000 could make it with water only customers, they're a 5,000galon customer, their 1417 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:36,400 bill only increases by $13, which is roughly 22%. 1418 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:41,199 And even a sewer customer where we were looking at 80 to 100% increases at some 1419 01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:46,480 places where we were looking would only increase by $59 or 46%. Hate to use the 1420 01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:51,679 word only because I'm right there in the Phoenix. But if you tell me, hey, would 1421 01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:55,119 you rather increase your bill by $59 or it'll scroll back up to the top or by 1422 01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:59,719 $72? I'd much rather my bill increased by 1423 01:54:56,719 --> 01:54:59,719 $59. 1424 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:12,639 Is there value in doing that? We can we can pay less today, pay 10 times more in 1425 01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:17,520 the future because we're not investing in the infrastructure with this with and 1426 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:22,000 I'm not opposed to what we're doing, but what I want to be sure of is that we're 1427 01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:27,679 not just kicking the can down the road for the sake of cheating the race, which 1428 01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:30,800 is what the city has done since it was So we're in this situation. I don't want 1429 01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:36,239 to do that again. >> Well, you will and you would be in the 1430 01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:39,960 same boat because as you say, I mean plants wear out equally, 1431 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:52,000 I'm sure they would pass on prorated percentage to you based upon now you 1432 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:55,679 won't be able to take advantage and that's kind of where we were talking 1433 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:59,920 about kind of the scale. you can't take advantage of their economy of scale 1434 01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:06,639 because you're going to have a 1 MGD plant versus a 16 MGD plant. So, the 1435 01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:12,159 program share future improvements is likely to be higher to you on a 1436 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:15,280 percentage basis, but you've got the factor in as you said the control, the 1437 01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:20,719 other stuff. That's been the question all along is 1438 01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:25,599 how do you weight the unknowns of future and keep maintaining that treatment 1439 01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:31,760 system and potential regulations and keeping an operator maintenance versus 1440 01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:36,000 shifting that off to a third party and just paying them per thousand gallon. 1441 01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:41,280 And when we were thinking, you know, around $3, it was kind of a, hey, we're 1442 01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:46,000 roughly at break even. Now then you have a definitive $4 per thousand. And then 1443 01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:50,320 it changes in you have to value that. You have to 1444 01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:53,679 value shifting that responsibility a little higher than maybe we were 1445 01:56:51,599 --> 01:57:00,719 thinking before >> is and my concern with that $4 1446 01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:07,760 is if 650 is what they gave us and back down to four. How quickly are we going 1447 01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:12,159 to be back up to that six? is 650 what they and they're just they're gonna give 1448 01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:14,400 the score for a year or two and then bonus closer and closer and closer to 1449 01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:20,239 that. >> It appears to me James it appears to me 1450 01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:25,520 if they don't want but if we're willing to pay the price then they'll take it. 1451 01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:30,400 » I'm real disappointed in it because I voted to go that direction. However, 1452 01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:35,040 with the information that we had at the time, you start looking back and you 1453 01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:40,159 start seeing all the unknowns and you start plugging in a couple of the 1454 01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:44,719 unknowns. The price goes out of sight. Then you look at the contract. 1455 01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:47,920 They decide to do something. Correct me if I'm wrong. On the other side of their 1456 01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:52,560 system, we have to share the possibly that 1457 01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:58,800 expense. However, they're not sharing in our expense. They could have 1458 01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:04,000 they were they were only incurring they were only clausing about their treatment 1459 01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:07,280 system collection system. So you didn't you didn't share any fun collection 1460 01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:08,960 system but >> they didn't share any part of what was 1461 01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,760 out. >> No they didn't attack I mean they 1462 01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:14,400 specifically took it out you know originally it was going to be 1463 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:20,400 regionalization you were going to become a comical customer and they they xn name 1464 01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:25,280 that pat down on the regalization part. Uh but yeah, I mean the I think the 1465 01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:31,679 contract is still negotiable. We like I said, we gave them red lines. Uh we met 1466 01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:36,560 with Brett um Daniel who's the engineering supervisor and Ferguson 1467 01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:43,040 about specifically the red lines. They agreed to to make some changes, but we 1468 01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:50,880 have got some revision. Now you have per dollar amount. So, um, you'd obviously 1469 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:55,520 want to see that final contract and make sure your 1470 01:58:53,760 --> 01:59:00,159 concerns were addressed. I think a big concern was they had a search charge on 1471 01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:04,159 there for excess water, which were like just 1472 01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:08,320 why do you have, you know, you just you're charging us per thousand, what do 1473 01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:12,000 you care? If if it's a per thousand fragment and that's adequate to meet 1474 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:15,119 your needs, why are you giving us a search charge? You don't have to deal 1475 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:20,560 with and collection system. 1476 01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:26,159 » For me, I guess we have to decide whether we're going to take this money 1477 01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:32,480 in three days. And it's a lot of money and there's a lot of fun. 1478 01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:36,800 » I mean, to be honest, ANRC probably don't wouldn't mind seeing this, but you 1479 01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:42,239 could if you're if you're still questioning it, you want more time, you 1480 01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:48,400 can sign it and back up later. I mean, you're not sign of the party any 1481 01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:51,440 you have until the bottom of the ordinance and that's when you have to 1482 01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:55,280 sign on the dotted line. I agree to pay this back on this amortization schedule. 1483 01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:59,520 » Oh, if we're going to try to >> there the problem with if you back out 1484 01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:02,560 and still want the NRC money in the future right now. Well, we couldn't 1485 02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:07,040 trust you to >> stay with your word. 1486 02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:11,520 I'm not asking you to vote tonight. We can make it work and sign it and keep 1487 02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:16,639 going forward and then discuss it more. But 1488 02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:20,560 I don't get to vote for sounds like it's pretty black and white 1489 02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:25,199 clear to me, but I don't get to vote and that's why I brought it before you and 1490 02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:28,400 try to give you as much not questioning anybody's intelligence 1491 02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:32,960 or anything. you know, try to give people as much legitimate information 1492 02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:37,599 and anecdotal information as well, visionary information because James, I 1493 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:42,639 see what you're saying about the value and are we just doing this for now? My 1494 02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:49,119 opinion for what it's worth, I feel like going forward with the forest project is 1495 02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:53,440 the shortsided option. Creating our own SBR system to invest in 1496 02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:59,920 ourselves to keep the low control to save money for rate bears today is the 1497 02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:04,080 marathon is the long-term goal that we've got something that's built to when 1498 02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:10,719 our population doubles potentially in the next 10 years 10 years. We've got 1499 02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:15,520 something that's our own. I quote Mr. Breenidge 1500 02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:19,840 we pointed this a couple years ago and told me who is 1501 02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:23,520 I'm going to be honest. I see a way when 15 years from now who is in fact 1502 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:28,480 profitable with the city >> sure 1503 02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:32,080 » that we can reinvest and shake y'all don't lose this note 1504 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:36,080 » well I mean yeah it's because it's not profitable because it's always 1505 02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:39,040 subsidized by water because it's cost >> sure 1506 02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:42,719 » more relatively than water and >> that's in either way though 1507 02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:47,920 » that's how all cities are set up but it's starting to change and the new you 1508 02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:52,320 know they just passed um a new act 605 time is a good number, but for sewer, 1509 02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:56,560 this is going to require all the same thing we just went through with water. 1510 02:01:54,960 --> 02:02:00,080 And so it's coming and they're going to have to be separate entities and they're 1511 02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:05,440 going to have to be accounted for separately, separate audits and be self 1512 02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:09,360 sustaining. Like the USDA was going to require you when we're trying to look at 1513 02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:13,599 USDA funding, they required it to be exported. Sewer has to be self 1514 02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:17,679 sustaining. You can't subsidize it with water. 1515 02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:23,440 That that's where we're headed. um everybody's sewer rates going to be 1516 02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:27,520 higher and then it will be um more of a more of a break even instead of a 1517 02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:30,320 » well and again if that's minimum of 5 years down the road they haven't even 1518 02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:34,159 given guidance on that much less implementation dates we could have a 1519 02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:39,719 chunk of this certain paid off before then 1520 02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:39,719 » it seems to me the Conway deal is 1521 02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:48,159 like you said the numbers have changed the calculus has changed it doesn't seem 1522 02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:52,480 seems like To me, it feels like trying to go forward with Conway is trying to 1523 02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:58,639 pound a square peg and go around the hole. We could make it work. 1524 02:02:56,239 --> 02:03:03,199 It's going to probably shatter the peg in the process. 1525 02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:06,480 We'll plug the hole, but in a while we're going to drill that peg out. We're 1526 02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:10,400 going to have to put something in there that actually fits. 1527 02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:14,560 » I'm for doing our own thing, right? you I'm convinced we really break down the 1528 02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:19,920 numbers because we made a decision last time on 1529 02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:27,360 a lot of unknowns and now that we have a lot of the known 1530 02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:34,360 it's it speaks for ourselves 100%. 1531 02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:34,360 So that's where I'm 1532 02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:44,480 » Yeah, I'm I'm uneasy about taking the money to go to the Conway route. 1533 02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:53,040 Haven't heard what I've heard. I'm not uneasy about not going to route. 1534 02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:57,040 But if if we if we keep it in house, I would want the project to be laid out 1535 02:03:55,520 --> 02:04:02,719 professionally. I don't want the good old boy of wink 1536 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:08,239 wink, we'll put the money towards it and in 10 years we don't have any money and 1537 02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:16,400 our sewer is falling apart. So I would want this professionally project managed 1538 02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:22,000 and I would want specific measurable goals that we would be 1539 02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:27,599 meeting and and that will get us to that so that in 10 years we're not sitting 1540 02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:31,760 around going 8 million. Why do we have pools everywhere and all our pipes? 1541 02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:35,199 Where's the money? I don't know where to go. I don't know. Because that's the way 1542 02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:42,159 we've always operated. >> Hopefully the water will be more 1543 02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:45,520 involved in that and look at the numbers and be less of a 1544 02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:48,400 formality and more of an important integral part of this project. Am I 1545 02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:52,400 wrong? >> No, I I hadn't thought about that. 1546 02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:57,119 You're you're absolutely right. Yeah, I I think you're 100% right. Maybe 1547 02:04:55,040 --> 02:05:02,880 function is more of a check and balance in the system than just here's $8.5 1548 02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:07,840 million. Let's hope that it goes where it won't go. One thing to note on that 1549 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:14,960 is that the these numbers don't reflect any statistical improvements. This this 1550 02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:20,000 is just define the treatment side >> but on either option 1551 02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:22,400 » right neither option. So you're it's >> additional collection system 1552 02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:27,920 » collection system >> comes from the additional rate payers 1553 02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:32,080 that would come on top of those 12 and on top of the 32 1554 02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:37,599 3210 that come in the mix that's going to add 1555 02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:43,679 the addition along with the extra 20% after year one after that money set 1556 02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:48,880 aside the 20% of that debt service is that rate's going to continue 1557 02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:54,800 to generate make that extra 20% year after year. Roughly 200,000 a year that 1558 02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:57,800 could be the solid infrastructure. 1559 02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:05,520 » Don't let me overstate that. I'm not collecting that. 1560 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:09,679 » Uh yeah, I mean you have the RA account which is factored in 5% of gross revenue 1561 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:12,560 a year. So that can go towards your collection system. 1562 02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:17,280 » So there is a little bit in there. >> I think it needs to be written in there 1563 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:23,360 that there is that overage. It's not could go to the system that it does go 1564 02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:28,800 to the system. It doesn't we it is not treated like 1565 02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:35,199 » would it be appropriate for me at this point to make a suggestion that we vote 1566 02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:39,440 » I would like to hear from because we've got some new council members that have 1567 02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:43,119 never heard and Mr. Kelsey had a question as well 1568 02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:46,719 that I would love to hear from >> I don't have no go for Mr. else you want 1569 02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:52,480 to do. >> No, I just I grew up in a city-owned 1570 02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:57,760 water system and everything else like that. It does work. And what you guys 1571 02:06:54,719 --> 02:07:02,639 all talking about right now, you go to that's gone. There's no way. You don't 1572 02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:11,480 get to you don't get profits or anything above 1573 02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:11,480 that to reinvest. It's gone, 1574 02:07:11,599 --> 02:07:19,760 you know. So, you know, yeah, we Mayflower dug themselves in a hole, but 1575 02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:24,800 let's start building a hole in get ourselves 1576 02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:28,960 out of it. And if you 1577 02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:34,079 choose to, you know, go with confidently, 1578 02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:39,760 you don't get these options you're talking about right now. It's awesome. 1579 02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:44,520 I just really hope that um you guys 1580 02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:56,239 » such a back to the walls and just goal. >> I think what you said though 1581 02:07:52,639 --> 02:08:01,199 acknowledges the fact that we have as ourselves a hole. So, 1582 02:07:58,079 --> 02:08:05,920 » and we are we are in a hole and the only way to get us out of that hole is going 1583 02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:08,000 to be with radio increases. >> There's going to be rate increases but 1584 02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:11,480 we can't >> Yeah, it's going to be radio 1585 02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:20,880 is is the whole Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Randy. 1586 02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:25,360 » What you got to say, Randy? Yeah, I I'd say keep it in house from the numbers 1587 02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:29,040 I'm seeing here instead of going with Conway. 1588 02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:31,920 Of course, you know, this is the first time I'm seeing all these numbers. 1589 02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:32,960 » True. That's why it's not almost not even fair. 1590 02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:35,760 » Yeah. >> Some of us been looking at these numbers 1591 02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:38,880 for 5 years plus. >> Yeah. 1592 02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:42,679 » But you may have a clear picture. >> That's why I want to be here. 1593 02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:50,719 » Yeah. >> It's been a long road to get to these 1594 02:08:47,119 --> 02:08:50,719 pages you're looking at tonight. 1595 02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:58,520 Yeah, I'd like to see it kept in May. 1596 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:03,239 » You have any questions? 1597 02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:08,760 » You got anything to ask? >> I'd say let's vote on it. Let's 1598 02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:14,040 » give me guidance on whether or not to sign that paper. 1599 02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:22,079 I think motion. >> I'd like to make a motion to 1600 02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:25,840 keep the water or the sewer system in house. I guess that's the option that 1601 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:31,040 I'm >> What's the problem? 1602 02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:36,719 » So that's what I'm looking at the the >> basically just 1603 02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:39,719 negotiation with 97 1604 02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:49,840 » and and it will not be as easy as repealing a resolution that we made back 1605 02:09:45,599 --> 02:09:56,000 in August of last year. Listen, I I didn't it wasn't my anticipation for 1606 02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:59,040 this to come to a vote tonight. I know that sounds crazy after all the 1607 02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:02,320 information I presented to you, but don't change my mind. 1608 02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:05,599 » I'm trying to change your mind. >> I just guys, I want y'all to make a 1609 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:08,800 decision and do what's best, what he feels best for his grandparents and 1610 02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:13,599 people in their life. I don't think that we have a solid wave forward at this 1611 02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:19,040 point, but I think we have a solid way or a solid idea of where we don't want 1612 02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:23,679 to go, which is the con. Let me address one more thing. You know, we did this 1613 02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:29,280 the loss revenue that we'll lose from county at this point is roughly 800,000 1614 02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:34,400 something 900,000. >> Just short million 1615 02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:40,840 side money. the project that that money goes to intended easy is project 1616 02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:45,400 » I guess 1617 02:10:49,679 --> 02:11:02,000 » well they if if we we don't do this then they get that money toward 1618 02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:05,360 their pay versus again 1619 02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:09,920 half dozen together >> and I can tell you this before Judge 1620 02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:14,000 Dawson were when I did speak to him about potential and that I was going to 1621 02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:17,520 present this they tried every way possible they're like man wants to 1622 02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:22,159 figure out a way to keep just heads are b 1623 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:26,480 we're not going to come at you for what's already been spent at you know 1624 02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:30,239 we're not looking at that is better than nothing but none of that 1625 02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:37,560 extra money was figured at either of these solitude So 1626 02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:37,560 » well I guess 1627 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:46,480 I can't come up with any any any good marks toward common. If I can come 1628 02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:52,480 up with with a little bit of a reason why it would benefit. 1629 02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:58,400 Let me try to take a static motion. I would make a motion then to 1630 02:11:56,079 --> 02:12:05,760 not accept the loan that we've been offered and not 1631 02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:11,440 go forward with economy court and new we will 1632 02:12:08,480 --> 02:12:17,119 develop we will continue to flesh out then the plan on how you're going to do 1633 02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:22,079 it both but at this point we just know that we 1634 02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:27,920 don't want to go I will say this, in my opinion, this is 1635 02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:35,520 a super big project and a super big decision for the city of Mile. 1636 02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:40,639 I'm not sure that making a decision once a month 1637 02:12:37,679 --> 02:12:46,960 is adequate for this size of project that's detrimental to the citizens of 1638 02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:50,800 this city. if we need to double up and and have some workshops to get this 1639 02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:56,560 stuff figured out and get done. I think that's probably a good idea 1640 02:12:52,800 --> 02:13:01,360 » going forward. I would love I don't want this to appear as another 1641 02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:06,960 instance of kicking the can. I would love to start 1642 02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:12,480 with projections with actually engineering and horse main project 1643 02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:18,800 start tomorrow whatever that looks like. We already had 1644 02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:26,480 some you guys but we did know the former mayor and I did we pursued the other 1645 02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:32,320 avenues prior to call for. So we looked at we met with AQ about the current 1646 02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:36,400 permit like hey why do you have a limit you know can this be negotiated we 1647 02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:41,440 talked about the lagoon system >> and fair lagoon system for probably 1648 02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:45,040 closer to six7 billion that's not going to meet our needs long term. There's 1649 02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:49,599 other stuff we can talk about. If you decide not to go to common court, then 1650 02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:52,960 we need to start bringing y'all back into that. 1651 02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:56,800 » I love the SBR system. It adapts to us. But again, 1652 02:13:54,800 --> 02:14:02,239 the motion I have from Mr. Schneider, if you would make a motion to not accept 1653 02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:08,159 the ANRC offer and not go forward with the force project. 1654 02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:11,159 Yes. Second. 1655 02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:19,239 Did it the current spirit of 1656 02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,800 Mr. >> Yes. Mr. Mars? 1657 02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:23,679 » Yes. Mr. Snap? >> Yes. 1658 02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:25,040 » Mr. Hill? >> Yes. Mr. Hannah? 1659 02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:27,760 » Yes. >> Mr. Hall? 1660 02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:33,560 » Yes. >> Gentlemen, 1661 02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:33,560 thank you on behalf of our folks. 1662 02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:42,480 Hey, thank you for developers make sense. Appreciate you. 1663 02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:46,800 » We still got work to do. I know. >> Thank you, Mr. Breynch, for all the work 1664 02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:52,320 that you've done on this to work with us to get this done. And those guys, 1665 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:55,920 Connley, I just can't imagine them just shooting a number like that out of the 1666 02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:59,040 blue. And we they know we've been working on this so long. That's very 1667 02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:01,280 disappoint. >> That's part of it, Colonel. to be 1668 02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,639 honest. >> I think they felt like we were locked 1669 02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:09,520 into it so they could name whatever they want before us on paper. I'm not trying 1670 02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:15,920 to vilify Rick Carol. I'm not. >> But business is business 1671 02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:21,840 right and that >> they're going to do it. But if we're 1672 02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:29,159 willing to pay for it through the nose, then they'll take it and they're going 1673 02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:29,159 to turn a mighty profit off. 1674 02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:36,639 They're going to come this way. I mean, they're they're come they're going to 1675 02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:39,679 end up coming all the way to see Linds. >> We're going to pay to take it all the 1676 02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:46,960 way to them and then they're going to capitalize of it all the way back to us. 1677 02:15:44,719 --> 02:15:50,880 » Seems like it would be more of a if if everybody wanted to do that, it seems 1678 02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:55,599 like it' be more of a a team effort instead of a Mayflower effort. That make 1679 02:15:52,880 --> 02:16:01,920 sense? Because it's going to benefit them largely down the road. But I I got 1680 02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:06,880 to thinking about that if we paid for it all to go that way and then they start 1681 02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:11,960 on their place and start making money off a system we've been put that we put 1682 02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,960 in. 1683 02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:19,440 If if anyone thinks that Conway is not going to move this way, you you've been 1684 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:26,000 asleep for about century of history because they're 1685 02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:31,760 they're going to come this way. We can either acknowledge 1686 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:36,080 that and prepare for it or we can be at Conway level seven. 1687 02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:39,760 But if they're looking at doubling their population in 10 years, where are they 1688 02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:43,760 going to put those people? You've been to Conway reasonably, there's not a 1689 02:16:41,599 --> 02:16:46,719 whole lot of area within the city, >> multi-unit housing to put them in left 1690 02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:52,240 and right. >> Well, they are, but still you're talking 1691 02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:55,920 about 60 65,000 people to to that they're going to increase. They're going 1692 02:16:53,280 --> 02:17:03,519 to need more land. So, they're going to have to answer us. They're gonna have to 1693 02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:08,719 come start coming this way. So, that's in today's day and age, you're either 1694 02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:12,719 annexing or you're getting and it's time for people to kind of wake up to that or 1695 02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:19,080 to that reality. >> You're either you're either the annex or 1696 02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:19,080 the annexing. 1697 02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:30,800 » Uh, gentlemen, it's been a long night. I made up for that 17 minute meeting. 1698 02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:36,479 Any public comments to entertain 1699 02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:41,639 council members in other draft letter to review itemally 1700 02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:50,840 where that why you didn't send them? >> Yes, that would thank you. 1701 02:17:51,519 --> 02:17:58,240 » Council, any other comments? Uh 1702 02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:02,479 uh I was going to let me make these quick announcements. 1703 02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:09,920 Next regular council meeting is Tuesday, February 24th at 6:30 p.m. Our next 1704 02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:16,399 planning commission meeting is Tuesday, February 10th at 6:30 p.m. And our next 1705 02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:21,439 council workshop workshop is Thursday, February 12th at 6:30 p.m. 1706 02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:27,399 There are no other comments. I will entertain a motion to adjourn. 1707 02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:27,399 Second. 1708 02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:32,359 » Thank you. 1709 02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:53,040 » Thank you for Thank you for stepping up to the plate, man. 1710 02:18:56,960 --> 02:19:01,880 working got 1711 02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:08,000 » your salary, right? >> Uhuh. 1712 02:19:04,800 --> 02:19:14,479 » Jimmy Joe, what are you agreeing about? >> You got the smoke still needs some work. 1713 02:19:11,359 --> 02:19:18,359 » Yeah, it does. down. >> I Oh.