>>Call the meeting to order on Tuesday,
July 21, 2020 in Council Chambers at
222 N. Tennessee Street. It is 6:12 PM.
We will begin with an invocation and
Pledge of Allegiance. Invocation given
by Pastor Mark Turman of Crosspoint
church. Are you there?
>> I am
>> Lord, we thank you for this good day as
We transition from [Indiscernible] and set
our hearts and minds on this meeting. We
welcome you into this time and we ask
that you watch over us and Lord, you
bring us increased compassion for each
other in our city, that you give us
clarity for the business and issues we
need to discuss and deliberate tonight.
And we give you praise for the goodness
and generosity you showed to us
individually and collectively.
[Indiscernible] for the Mayor and
Council persons and thank you for our
city manager and city staff. We thank
you that we get to call this place home
as citizens. Lord give us direction
understanding, give us clarity and help
us as we deliberate to do so with pull
civility toward one another, with
consideration and patience, give us
insight that can only come from you.
Lord, help us to seek the good of the
city in which we live for all of us. In
Jesus name we pray, Amen.
>>[Pledge of Allegiance]
>> We have public comments on agenda
items. The first one is Mimi Noris, does
not wish to speak but once to have her
opposition to 20040z2 noted
>> We have a few people that would like
to speak. Three minutes. On item
200616, Rwanda [Indiscernible]
>> Hello Councilman I wanted to say the
other day I had a wonderful time
watching La'shadion and the Mayor
Fuller and Paul Grimes come out to the
cemetery and help clean up a cemetery
where black people could only be buried.
As we look through our history, we
look through whether it is in McKinney
or other states we realize there is
history that is taking place that has
been belittling to human beings of
color. This statue is one of those. The
statues across the states are those.
Five months from now it will still be
offensive it is offensive today it's
going to be offensive when you create a
task force for it it's going to be
offensive when they debate whether it
should be removed or not and I ask you
to have that level of civility and
understanding and working together to
know if it is offensive to people in
your community then it should not be
put in the grounds of a court building.
It does not belong there. The court
building symbolizes justice for all. We
just pledged allegiance to the flag,
justice for all. When we have slave
traders and history of abusing human
beings and that is put in front of a
court building it does not signify
justice for all. I come to you and I
ask you to think about that. It can be
somewhere else but it should never be
in a court building that has to
administer or has a history of
administering justice when it is
supposed to be justice for all. Thank
you
>> [Applause]
>> [Indiscernible] Johnson
>> Hello everyone. Throckmorton was in
opposer of the 14th amendment which
gave citizenship to everyone born in
the United States including former
slaves and their families. It was one
of three amendments passed during the
Reconstruction era to establish rights
for black Americans. The 14th amendment
was key in landmark Supreme Court
decision such as brown versus education
which ruled segregating schools was
unjust. According to Texas after the
Civil War, the struggle of
reconstruction by Carl Monahan a
professor of history at the University
of Arkansas in his inaugural address
Throckmorton on one hand urged Texas
legislators not to take action that
would cause the north to doubt their
loyalty. But on the other encourage
them not to ratify the 14th amendment.
Legislators did as he urged. Calling
the amendment nothing more than an
effort to raise black above white. They
voted 70-5 rejected the 14th
amendment. To raise Blacks above whites
is not the sentiment behind the 14th
amendment or the current movement.
Think about it. Do you really think the
African-American community is trying to
set itself above any other group of
people? Do you really think that? Does
anyone really think that? Who thinks
this way? What intelligent person sits
down and tosses back and forth the
notion that we are better than they?
Who does that? I hate to say it but it
seems that those who do support the
Confederate movement do just that. The
point is for equality in humanity,
people are people, human beings are
human beings, whether Asian, Black,
Hispanic, white or whatever. We are not
asking that the statue be destroyed. We
are requesting the statue be moved to a
more appropriate place. Perhaps a
museum or the Pecan Grove cemetery, the
gravesite of James Throckmorton. Not
just the middle of the public square
which should be a reflection of all.
>> [Applause]
>> Eric Scholz.
>> Good evening. Eric Scholz 1505
timberline Drive in McKinney. I spoke a
couple weeks ago and I think it's
necessary to speak again. A little
background. From where I'm coming from.
I am a 15 year Army veteran combat
disabled. A unit in Grand Prairie born
and raised in Hillsboro Texas. I am
certified through Fort Leavenworth
civil for military history to teach
military history at the University
level and I did that and I want
McKinney to be on the right side of
history with this and right now we are
not. For the concerns that we are
taking away from history, as a military
history instructor for the United
States Army and the University of South
Florida, there is no conflict more
documented especially on the
Confederacy side than the US Civil War.
There are tens of thousands of books
hundreds of movies, museums, we are not
losing history by moving the statue.
I've also charted every Confederate
monument in the Dallas-Fort Worth
metropolitan area and surrounding
areas. This is the last one standing in
the metropolitan area. You are not
going to be first but right now you are
last at DFW and we need BB on the right
side of history with this. The reason
they took them down obviously they been
debating the statues for years and
decades but it's also a public safety
issue. If we don't take this down
immediately, then there is a great risk
that it could be taken down without
official support and that could be that
could hurt the people taking it down or
people responding to that trying to
defend the statue and we don't want to
see anyone hurt in the city. I ask that
the city Council moved today to bring
down the statue. No commission, no
study, bring it down today move it
somewhere and then have a commission
what you want to do after that but if
you don't take it down immediately you
are risking harm to the people in
McKinney.
>> Debbie [Indiscernible]
>> After all those people I can't tell
you how frivolous I want to talk about
will sound to you but it's not
frivolous to the unincorporated
citizens. I'd like to thank you for
your service and everything you've done.
I don't know anybody who would want to
be Mayor or Councilman or leader it's a
hard time and you are you're doing your
best. I am a single mom of four young
adults the youngest one in the last
year at UT. All four went to McKinney
schools and at one time I had a child in
all schools at the same time I talked
for McKinney ISD. My mom moved here
from Stonebridge was on a piece of
paper and she took me to her meeting
and I said if you think they will put a
beach in the middle of the field you
have lost your mind but they did. My
grandson will be [Indiscernible] and we
will have five generations of my family
that have moved to McKinney. I could
not send for kids to college on a
school teacher salary. [Indiscernible]
I opened a wedding venue and I know you
had people here are a couple of months
ago and I was not here because my I had
my first granddaughter. The clearest
picture I can give you what's happening
in the wedding industry is you have a
[Indiscernible] and you come back to
the wedding industry and say give me
another car and now we have people
coming back and saying give me another
car. I have an angry mom coming
tomorrow that thinks I should lose
$15,000 changing her day twice. I lost
over $160,000. I do this on my own and
don't have financing our banks. You can
imagine how excited I was when I heard
about the [Indiscernible] obviously my
financial issues. Are none of your
problems and you don't have anything to
do about it but when I found out after
paying McKinney taxes by generation of
taxes all my kids grew up in McKinney I
had two houses and my third one is two
miles outside the city and being two
miles outside of the city I was not
allowed to apply for any of the money.
We have 600 guests per week and. I'm
the only venue in the City of McKinney
in the McKinney area that is in the not
Hall of Fame. You may not have heard of
me, that's fine I had not heard of you
until I looked you up. Scott Elliott
you do not have a synopsis on the
commission page. Because you have been
here a long time I think you understand
I'm a citizen of McKinney. So I'm
asking you to ask the county if they
can open it up to the unincorporated
area and I'd like to say on that form
it asks if you are renting a business
or leasing, it should knockout people
that own their own business it also
asks for the inventory some of us have
inventory that can't be a dollar amount
it's a day or another. Thank you for
listening to me, I brought the horse is
a dead horse and I may be beating a
dead horse but thank you
>> Are there any other speakers?
>> We also have an agenda item
[Indiscernible] Rodney Clark has
submitted a notice of support for
agenda item 200026.
>> Let that be part of the record
>> I do not have any other comments for
items, we will move on to the consent
agenda, items consisting of
non-controversial, the public comments
[Indiscernible]
>> Consent agenda consists of
non-controversial housekeeping required
by law and may be considered
individually by any Council member
making such request prior to a motion
to vote on the consent items
>> Is there any item on the consent a
Council member would like to pull down?
If not, I will accept a motion to
approve
>> Move to approve, second
>> All in favor? Motion passes
>> Plaque consideration. Items under
this subcategory require separate
consideration pursuant to Texas local
government code the staff
recommendation described the necessary
form of action required on each plat a
motion to approve in accordance with
staff recommendation will result in
approval.
>> There's one item, 200083pf act on a
preliminary final plat for the JVC real
estate addition located in the ETJ of
McKinney 1600 feet north of County Road
408 and E side of farm to market roads
>> Staff is recommending approval with
conditions and variances to the plat.
I'm happy to answer any questions
>> Are there questions for Jennifer?
>> Thank you Jennifer
>> Move to approve the items
>> Second
>> Please vote
>> Motion passes
>> 20004z2. A public hearing to act on
a request to rezone subject property
from Planned Development District to
Planned Development District generally
to modify the use and development
standards to allow for an indoor and
outdoor wedding event venue or banquet
facility
>> At the time of publishing the agenda
the applicant requested the table but
yesterday they request for it to be
withdrawn for consideration
>> As it was still on the agenda if
there are people that would like to
speak please understand it has been
withdrawn, which means it has been
pulled and will not be under
consideration. I will call these names.
If anyone did come to speak, make
yourself [Indiscernible] I don't see any
. Do we need to do anything for the
item to be withdrawn?
>> Nope
>> We'll move on to the next item
>> We don't need to open the public
hearing
>> If anyone did come I want to give
them the opportunity to speak but I
don't see anyone. 200040z2 request the
subject property from single-family
residence to duplex residential
district located beside rock Wall
Street and 615 feet north of Gerrish
Street
>> I would like to note for the record
that following publishing of the agenda
staff validated additional signature on
a protest petition that has been passed
out to Council. With the protest
petition qualifying signatures
representing 20 percent or more of the
area within the protest area is needed
to require ace majority vote of the
Council with the additional signatures
received it does meet the threshold at
66 percent. I will get into the item
more but I wanted to confirm based on
the Planning and Zoning Commission
action as well as the protest petition
a super majority vote is a required.
>> This request is to rezone .7 acres
from single-family residence to duplex
residential district. The applicant has
worked with city staff and we have
reviewed the request in relationship to
the area around it and a comprehensive
[Indiscernible] higher density
developments. In the area just south of
the subject property there is a
drainage culvert and on the north side
there is a church. As you see on the
map, there are a few residences in the
neighborhood that sees duplex
structures. With all of those things
considered staff recommends approval.
During the Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting we heard from
residents citing concerns regarding
duplexes in this location. After
discussion the commission voted 7-2
To recommend denial. Staff recommended
Approval. P&Z recommends denial and you
will hear from folks with their
concerns on the proposed rezoning.
>> Are there questions for Jennifer?
>> The duplex zoning that is out there,
is that all zoning?
>> Yes
>> So the majority, the duplex zoning
[Indiscernible]
>> There is not.
>> Most of the surrounding is RS 60
>> Predominantly to the south and as we
progress north some of the fabric of
the single-family has dissolved a bit
with the drainage culvert in the
church. Those are some of the factors
we looked at
>> Any other questions for staff?
>> I believe the applicant is here
>> Would the applicant like to come up
and address Council?
>> The applicant for this item?
>> I stand corrected, he must not be
here
>> A gentleman just came in the door
>> That is not him
>> This is a public hearing. We have
people that would wish to speak.
>> I will call the name and tell you so
you can be prepared. Jeanette Palmer.
After this, Kimberly Palmer
>> Registers opposition to the item
>> Kimberly Palmer? Registered as
opposition to the item
>> Jonas Palmer Christopher Palmer
>> Good afternoon. My name is Kimberly
Palmer and I live at 904
[Indiscernible] I am here to represent
the community and the citizens
surrounding the subject property. This
community was developed as a single
family dwelling community in the 1840s
the subject property is in the heart of
the community. If duplexes are placed
there it will disturb the atmosphere.
There are 19 homes within the 200 feet
of the subject property. 10 of the
residents are elderly. That would
negatively impact their lives. There
are several of them I completed the
zoning protests for the community and
there are 26 names on this and my
husband and I walked the community for
those adjacent homes surrounding the
subject property. 10 of the 19 homes or
elderly members who are over the age of
70+. They will be negatively impacted
because of the added traffic, not
knowing who is coming to and from those
locations at the duplexes. We all know
and I've seen it for myself because
I've been around areas in duplexes
before when you have duplexes, people
are there temporarily, not focused on
the community aspect of the community.
They are not trying to get to know
people in the community, they are there
to rest their head temporarily until
they find something permanent. This
would be a detriment to our
single-family dwelling community for
that reason. I respect you very much if
you would consider not rezoning that
development
>> Jonas Palmer and then Christopher
Palmer
>> How are you doing today? My name is
Jonas Palmer I'm 21 years old and that
was my mother that just spoke. She was
talking about statistics and I'm here
to talking about the community. The
community keeps we are a single-family
dwelling community about how our
community has potentially dissolved
going onto the back streets. I want to
say that is not the case.. After being
there for 21 years we are a close-knit
community that cares about each other
when new people move and we incorporate
them into our things that have been
into the community. With these duplexes
being put in that may not be the case.
I listen to what my parents are saying
and talking about with the petition and
the reactions they got from people and
the general consensus is they do not
want duplexes because I don't feel safe
for their kids or the elderly don't
feel safe in their homes and they don't
feel safe taking walks and getting
exercise because of the potential they
duplex. Just the placing of it is
inconvenient, there is no parking for
the church. It's going to ruin the
overall community feel. Not because
they are temporary movers or they just
come in to rent but because the
community has been built and set and
it's one it's been a minority community
and incorporating people who don't know
about it who may or may not care about
it and may bring in things that are a
detriment to the community I don't feel
and the community does not feel that's
okay and I wanted to speak on that
thank you for your time
>> [Applause]
>> Christopher Palmer and then Maia
Burns
>> Christopher?
>> He does not wish to speak but he is
in opposition
>> Maia Burns and then Jasmine Burns
>> We can register in opposition
>> Maia Burns is in opposition. Jasmine
Burns in opposition.
>> After Jasmine will be Gerard
[Indiscernible]
>> I have come here today to speak on
behalf of of the people who can't speak
for themselves. That is the elderly
members of the community who live on
Rockwall Street. Every Sunday I make my
rounds and speak to the ones who are
sick or shut in or can't get around. As
I speak to them I get to hear a lot of
concerns and how they feel about the
neighborhood. Quite a few of them feel
threatened by the presence of duplexes.
I feel like this is not misplaced
because duplexes do pose a present
danger. Perhaps not in the tenants
themselves but what the duplexes can
bring. The higher traffic that comes
from the increased population density
will make efforts to come in and out of
the community more difficult. This
isn't just a minor inconvenience for
those of us able-bodied but this can be
an open danger to the elderly members
because they may not get the help they
need. My grandfather who lives on
Rockwall Street close to the church is
elderly and disabled and cannot get
around. I am worried a lot of the time
that he may not be able to get the help
he needs because there is something
obstructing first responders
obstructing us from getting to him.
Another elderly member who lives on
that street very sweet woman who is 94
years old can get around really well,
very sweet lady, but I'm also worried
about her safety because she is so much
older I know it's going to be difficult
for people to get to her and to think
that could be stopped by something as
simple as withholding the zoning from
being rezoned, it seems like a
no-brainer fix to me. Over all, that's
what I'm worried about as a citizen.
Thank you
>> [Applause]
>> I apologize but it looks like Gerard
[Indiscernible]
>> Afterwards is Angela Henderson
>> Good evening. I've lived here for
two years. My wife and I decided to
live on the side of McKinney for the
sense of community we felt while
researching the area. There's a high a
lot of minorities in the area and deep
roots in my neighborhood especially on
my corner. The three sets of neighbors
have been there for more than 50 years
and bringing in a set of duplexes will
separate, it won't feel like the
community that is there now. I'm in
opposition of the duplex because I feel
there is not a lot of care for the area
and I think the duplex will make
district 1 more of a temporary home
instead of the community that's been
there for 50 years.
>> Thank you
>> Angela Henderson and then
[Indiscernible] Palmer
>> Angela is in opposition to the
rezoning
>> [Indiscernible] Palmer
>> Good evening. I simply want to say I
grew up in that neighborhood, have gone
to the church in that neighborhood for
50 years. That has been a single-family
home residence. My feeling is bringing
in duplexes is going to allow for
something else, apartments and it will
take away the home feeling in the
neighborhood. As everyone has said,
there are a lot of elderly people that
I've known all my life. There are other
neighborhoods in the city that want to
keep that hometown feeling as McKinney
says, you have that hometown feeling.
In that neighborhood we want to keep
that.
>> Sheila Simmons
>> She is in opposition
>> Marco Nobles is...
>> Is there anyone else that would like
to speak?
>> Seeing none. Move to close the
public hearing
>> Second
>> All in favor?
>> Please vote
>> The public hearing is closed.
Discussion?
>> Kudos to the folks in the
neighborhood. I don't think I've ever
seen as organized a group of folks and
never seen over 60 percent opposition.
They have a neighborhood that's been
that way for decades. A long time.
[Indiscernible] in opposition to this
>> I guess that goes the super
majority. As a representative of that
district, I want to say hats off to the
community. I remember coming to my
first city Council meeting and one of
the most important things I wanted to
do was make sure my community was
engaged and understood the importance
of local government and city Council
meetings and if you look around and
look out, I could not be more proud. To
see this petition Council member
Elliott and myself they do not have the
super majority and there it goes so
thank you
>> Maybe that's why he did not show up
>> Count me as three against it. I love
the passion. I like to see that in the
community. Thank you all for coming out
and speaking on the item. To me, it
does not look like it fits in your
neighborhood so I'm against it
>> Same thing. It's wonderful to see
everybody come out. By the way, such a
very thoughtful and respectful
presentation of opposition. Which is
always refreshing and accomplishes much
more than disrespectful so thank you to
all of you it was fantastic the way you
came in and gave the facts and spoke
passionately but respectfully and thank
you. I know where I am on this.
>> Kimberly I know you are out there.
That's how you do a presentation. And
this is how you put it together. We get
to see these not as organized we've
talked about before where we are
watching a lot of things being built in
our city placing them in spots they
should not be placed and this is one of
them. I've watch with these have done
to communities and it destroys them so
thank you for taking the time effort
and passion to the Council because we
will kill it
>> I'd like to point out
[Indiscernible] second go around
because most all of them were here at
the Planning and Zoning [Indiscernible]
so thank you for your resilience and
coming back
>> I find it fascinating. I will not
support this but we had something in my
district that a lot of people came out.
But this Council went ahead and shoved
it down our throats and passed it. It's
really interesting, I appreciate these
people coming out and doing that but
this Council plays both sides. The
reasons they gave for not having and
it's not even multifamily just a couple
of duplexes are the same reasons people
don't like multifamily in their areas
or backyards. So many times, this
Council ignores the pleas of those
people so I find it fascinating we are
all going to vote no on this one
because of these good people. I want
you to remember that the next time
people come against other. Projects in
their neighborhoods they might not be
as organized but they still are sincere
about wanting to keep their
neighborhood what it's like when they
bought it. That's my comment
>> The staff found it just as
fascinating when you voted down the car
lots and then doubled back and
[Indiscernible] so the same dynamic
played when you go from one way to from
one thing and turn around and vote
another way for another thing so you
can't have it both ways
>> [Indiscernible]
>> Same dynamic
>> [Indiscernible] was a great one to
vote down and whether you didn't
[Indiscernible]
>> Same dynamic. We do everything the
councilman wants us to do and now we
are doing it [Indiscernible] it's the
same dynamic it's what you do every day
>> I have a motion. I move to deny this
>> Second
>> Please cast your votes
>> Motion passes
>> 200048z2, act on a request to rezone
subject property from plan center
district to residential estates district
600 feet west of US Highway 75 and 200
feet north of White Avenue
>> This is a request to rezone the
subject property from plan center to
Red-1 residential estate
District, it's a 3.8 acre tract staff
has reviewed the request with the
applicant while the property is
currently zoned for commercial uses its
location on the west side of a
significant floodplain and has little
to no access for commercial development.
There is an existing home on the site
and the rezoning will allow the
property owner to rebuild and expand
their existing home. We have reviewed
the request and are in support of the
request. The Planning and Zoning
Commission heard the item and
recommends approval and I'm happy to
answer any questions
>> Any questions for Jennifer?
>> My understanding is the applicant is
here
>> Good evening. Cross engineering here
representing the owner. Due to the
limited access commercial use would be
hard on the property so we request to
keep it as a single-family use. He'd
like to construct his home on the
property and I'm here to answer any
questions
>> There has been a home there for a
long time
>> Are there any questions?
>> This is a public hearing, would
anyone like to speak?
>> Would anyone like to speak?
>> Move to close the public hearing and
approve the item as presented
>> Second
>> Please cast your votes
>> Motion passes
>> 20002 SUP three, specific use permit
request to allow for an indoor gun
range located northeast corner of
Industrial Boulevard and Millwood Road
>> The applicant is requesting a
specific use permit to allow for an
indoor gun range on the subject
property. It is on the north side of
industrial, there are two relatively
new spec industrial buildings on the
site currently. The applicant would
like to propose to include an indoor
gun range.. Staff was unable to support
the request it was a tough one for us
because the area is industrial in
nature. But on the north side of the
subject property there is a residential
neighborhood that sits 65 feet away
from the proposed range. At the time of
the Planning and Zoning Commission the
applicant requested the indoor gun
range. At the meeting they did request
the applicant tied sound mitigation as
part of the Internet [Indiscernible] we
are appreciative of the proposed
standards they are including in the SUP
which include double cinderblock wall
with a minimum of four inches spray
foam between the cinderblocks. A four
inch concrete roof provided over the
top and rubber burns at the end of each
range. We are appreciative of the sound
mitigations. Staff cannot confirm these
mitigations will alleviate potential
noise outside of the building which is
our concern with being so close to
residential properties. We do have
performance standards to help mitigate
potential noise above a certain decibel.
As part of the research, staff and I
visited Dick few indoor gun ranges and
they did range quite a bit on which
ones we could hear from on the outside
and which ones we could not. That was
the foundation for the recommendation
of denial. The area itself is
industrial so we understand the logic
but with that proximity to residential
we were uncomfortable recommending
approval. Planning and Zoning did hear
this and they recommended approval. And
I'm happy to answer any questions I
believe the applicant is here to speak
>> Jennifer, were there any
[Indiscernible] associated with
[Indiscernible]
>> I don't know what an STC rating is
>> The sound coefficient
[Indiscernible] tells you what decibel
sound you can hear
>> The applicant did do a great job of
providing a variety of sound studies.
None tied to the specific mitigation
they are going to include. They did
show us videos of sound studies done
inside of a facility and on the roof of
another facility that were within a
comparable range but they were not tied
to the mitigation they were proposing.
I'm assuming the applicant is here. You
will hear from him and he will talk
about the mitigation they are
proposing, where it is seen. I don't
believe it is here in North Texas but
you can talk more to that
>> Are there any other questions for
staff?
>> Jennifer, what's on the north side
of the building? What's outside of the
actual building itself?
>> The only thing is the required
screening wall. Just the rear entry
fire lane and the screening wall
>> The floor plan shows there are five
or six doors on the north side
[Indiscernible]
>> You will hear from the applicant the
range themselves are going East and
West so the berms they are proposing
will be on those ends to collect the
bullets and get them out of the
facility. Any doors you see on the rear
is just for entry access to the
building.
>> If the applicant could come up.
>> Mr. Mayor and members of Council,
thank you for allowing me time to
speak. I'd also like to thank city
staff for their time and effort they
dedicated my application. Many years
ago I was asked which lasts longer the
first car the first girlfriend or your
first 22? I laugh because I knew the
answer but for me it was not a 22 but a
3030 my parents got me for my 18th
birthday. Looking back I believe I
sound like Ralphie in a Christmas story
when asked what I wanted and I said mom
I want a model 336 3030 lever action
rifle. My father introduced me to
shooting when I was eight. We would go
to our family property in Little Elm
and I would shoot his 22 rifle for as
long as he would let me. He not only
taught me how to shoot how to shoot
responsibly. As a surgeon he had seen
the damage the improper use of firearms
cost. He taught me the consequences of
not being responsible. Those lessons
have stuck with me and I have passed
them on to my children and anyone I
teach. What my father did not know is
he open the door to a sport I love and
enjoy to this day. By the time my
father sold the property I had spent
many hours with friends shooting. I
have lost count of how many people I
talked to shoot and I'm proud to say
one person became a firearms instructor
for the Air Force. This doesn't sound
unusual to you learn the friend was a
five foot five inch 19-year-old female
a rare accomplishment in the mid-80s. I
told you my history because it mirrors
how many Texans for so many years learn
to shoot. Unfortunately, this way is
slowly becoming a thing of the past
because the open land we use to shoot
is now home to the businesses. Our
primary goal of opening the range of
McKinney is to build a place for people
to experience what I and so many others
have loved for so long. Instead of
being out in a field in 101 degree heat
they will be in a modern
air-conditioned facility. The range of
McKinney consists of 18 indoor lanes a
virtual training system two classrooms
retail space a warehouse a catering
kitchen and business offices. Our live
fire range uses equipment designed for
and used by military and law
enforcement agencies around the world.
The environment in the range area will
be clean and comfortable with a system
designed to purify the air of smoke and
lead in seconds not minutes. In
addition to live fire training, the
range of McKinney will be the first
private range in Texas to house the 300
virtual immersive training system which
is currently used by handful of
military and law enforcement agencies
around the world. This training system
provides realistic fully immersive
training which allows users to feel as
if they are in the middle of the action.
It prepares them for what may happen
and also teaches how to de-escalate the
situation. The system is like nothing
you have experienced. I have seen
seasoned professionals come out of the
sessions sweating in disbelief of how
realistic the experience was. Demand
for the system will come from law
enforcement agencies businesses school
districts and individuals and bring
people from all over Texas and the
surrounding states to McKinney and
these people will stay in local hotels
are classrooms we use for courses
taught by instructors and they will be
available for private and group
lessons. Since the start of the pandemic
millions of people have taken
advantage of their Second Amendment
right to bear arms. The new gun owners
will want to have a nice place to train
and learn and in turn become better
gun owners. Why should the gun owners be
forced to go and spend money at ranges
in other cities when they can stay here
in McKinney. The retail and waiting
areas are designed to be open and
comfortable so clients can shop and
relax. Our retail area will stock new
and used firearms accessories and
ammunition. My mother had a great head
for business and taught me product
selection brings in clients that
customer service keeps them coming back
so we will provide the best in customer
service. [Indiscernible]
>> You may already have what you need
to be successful
>> If you are saying asking me to stop,
I'm happy to
>> To be clear, we limit the public
comments however the becomes a time
[Indiscernible] I don't want to be
disrespectful of your presentation
>> I just wanted to make sure and
introduce you to the product so you
understand exactly what we want to do.
What I did not get to and what I would
like to say is the wall configuration
in our building was used in Illinois.
The sound requirements at this facility
in Illinois were that they could not be
heard because this facility is in a
strip center. The adjacent businesses
next to them in the strip center could
not hear the gunfire. You could be
outside the building and the only thing
you hear is noise from the streets
>> I don't know the exact value, the
decibel level is around 68 to 72.
>> Say that again
>> [Indiscernible] is how much sound
volume can be heard on the other side.
>> I am not sure the sound engineers
have not given that me that
information. I know the videos I
provided to staff were taken outside of
the range in Chicago. You could not
hear any gunfire
>> And you have committed to that
>> We are spending in excess of
$500,000 to make sure it does not happen
>> In the future, if I were you and I
was presenting this again, the sound
engineer could identify the STC
assembly and you could say and that we
would clear it up and we would not have
this dialogue. Jennifer, you heard the
video? And you agree you could not hear
anything?
>> [Speaker off mic]
>> Mr. Houser, is there a way possible
since this is an SUP to tie that CO to
that sound barrier somehow to protect
those residents?
>> Come out and shoot a gun and stand
outside to make sure the residents
>> I think it would be better to tie it
to the standards so you can technically
measure it. No noise
>> [Indiscernible] maybe Mr. Mayor
could put it in the motion
>> Are there any other questions for
the applicant?
>> This is a public hearing
>> There are some comments. John Feltus
>> Good evening. I've lived here almost
20 years. When I moved here there was a
gun range on 380. I'm a lifetime
shooter but more than that I spent a
year in Academy selling firearms
full-time. I sold a lot of guns and one
of the things I saw commonly is people
that bought them did not know how to
use them. They had nowhere to go. They
were reluctant to step outside their
comfort zone so they take them home and
put them in the night stand and feel
safe and don't have a clue what they
are doing. They need a place here where
they can learn these things, where they
can do it properly and safely and not
shoot your kids because they are
playing in the street because they are
scared. I would ask you to please and
I'm not trying to overrule Jennifer by
any means she's done her job well but
we need a place here. Allen has one,
Plano has several. We are the only town
around that does not and you are losing
money and revenue off of it and we are
losing a good opportunity. Please vote
in favor
>> I'm not showing any other cards. Is
there anybody here that would like to
speak?
>> I gave you a card but I'm not sure
what happened
>> My name is [Indiscernible]. I live
at 3300 Brentwood. I am a lifelong gun
enthusiast. I highly recommend
everybody support their Second
Amendment right to carry but more
importantly if you are going to carry
you need to practice. You need to take
courses and learn what you are doing
because the firearm is not a toy. We
need places to go out and practice that
skill because that's what it is a skill
and you need to practice. If you don't
practice you have no reason carrying a
firearm. I say that as somebody who
thinks everybody should. I have trained
a number of my friends to use firearms.
One of the biggest things I get to when
I talk to people about how often do you
go out and practice or hit the range. I
don't because there's not one anywhere
around I have to go too far. There is
always excuses but number one is the
proximity.. The closer you have a place
the more likely you are going to be to
go. If it's going to offer the training
they claim they are going to offer, I
would highly recommend you approve this
because that is something I am myself
as a McKinney resident will use. I will
take my friends there. I will get other
people to go there because that's what
I do. Right now I get them to go to
other places. Let's keep that here in
McKinney. If we are going to have
people here in McKinney carrying
firearms we need to have places in
McKinney for them to practice that
skill. I respect the staff has done
their work and decided against it but I
believe it's incorrect and I believe we
should have a place to hone our skills.
>> Is there anybody else to speak to
the item? I will entertain a motion to
close the public hearing
>> So moved, second
>> Cast your votes
>> Motion passes
>> Discussion
>> I think staff recommended denial for
the right reason. They are concerned
about the residential so they wanted to
make sure that's what they were looking
out for as this will be an SUP
requirement that would potentially
disrupt. I think we can require that
they produce on the front side a
construction the ratings of the walls
they will build. That can easily be
contrasted with the noise generated on
the inside and it sounds like you are
willing to do that already. So I know
for me the only thing you did not say
you said being outside of 101 degree
whether it's also legal so I prefer a
legal and safe place for anyone
carrying a gun being able to practice
here as long as we mitigate that
concern staff has very rightfully
expressed. Does anyone else have a
comment?
>> I'd like to say thank you for doing
business in McKinney. We've needed this
for a very long time and I appreciate
you investing your time and money in
McKinney and I hope you are very
successful. I saw you present at
Planning and Zoning and I'm pleased to
see you here and I know you care about
what you are doing and you are bringing
a good quality product so thank you
very much
>> I look forward as long as it is tied
to making sure those residents are
represented aren't interrupted by the
noise and making sure it's maintained
throughout. I know we have good legal
team that can tie that to the SUP. It
has to be maintained so how those walls
deteriorate with the sound somehow gets
too loud, the SUP will be revoked.
Maintain that sound quality
>> I'm in favor
>> I'd like to know when you will open
>> I will be one of the first ones there
>> [Indiscernible]
>> I will ask for a motion. And to
contain the language
>> Move to approve with the stipulation
on the sound
>> Second
>> Mark, you have enough to go on what
we are looking for.
>> Please vote
>> Motion passes
>> Congratulations
>> 200006z2 rezone property from Local
Commercial District to Planned
Development District to modify the
development standards to allow for
multifamily uses
>> Just here to introduce the item, the
applicant requests the public hearing
be continued until August 18
>> I believe the purpose was for them
to co-back to the residence and see if
they can't get agreement from the
residence to be in support
>> That is correct
>> That's their best chance
>> I'm okay with it being tabled.
Everybody else?
>> Move to table the item
>> We need a public hearing
>> And continue the public hearing
>> Second
>> Motion passes
>> 200626, act on a resolution
authorizing the creation of an ad hoc
Throckmorton statue advisory board to
oversee staff and expert research
related to the Throckmorton statue
located on city-owned property
>> Thank you, Assistant City Manager.
This resolution formalizes the
Throckmorton advisory board as
presented at the Work Session. Happy to
stand for any questions. And Mark Doty
is available
>> Are there questions for Kim?
>> Is there a motion
>> Some discussion
>> We had discussion in Work Session.
It's highly disappointing and
discouraging to look at my Council
peers who dismissed and as you can see,
there's a better part of your community
out here that feels dismissed
disappointed and discouraged. We are
asking you to not sit on your hands and
not have an ad hoc committee, we are
not going to sit by and be dismissed.
You might look at me and see one person
on the Council you don't agree with and
you don't like and you could care less
to have the conversation but you need
to look out the window. Looked past me
because I'm not me I'm representing the
constituents in your community. I'm not
talking about you I'm talking about me
right now and those constituents out
there. As quickly as you dismissed me
earlier at Work Session, we are not
going to be dismissed and be
disrespected. So again, you can hear
us, you can see as and these numbers
will grow. The division is not being
caused by the person calling out the
problem. Bringing awareness to the
problem.
>> This is inappropriate and I need to
ask you to step away from the dais
>> The comments that were made that the
group your constituents which are my
constituents and everyone's
constituents here, I don't subscribe to
the thought that engaging the whole
community is disrespecting anybody.
Ignoring anybody. It's what we are
required to do
>>[ I'm speaking right now
>> Multiple speakers]
>> I was not done and speaking
>> La'shadion
>> No No No you don't get to cut me off
in the middle of my comments
>> Council member Shemwell
>> You do not get to cut me off
>> We will be back in five minutes
>> Call a recess all you want but we
will not be dismissed
>>We are back and we will have this
discussion respectfully and with that I
make a motion to adjourn
>> So moved, we are adjourned
>> [The meeting has ended]