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good evening. Any person who

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receives compensation,

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remuneration or expenses for

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conducting lobbying activities

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is required to register as a

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lobbyist with the city clerk

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prior to engaging in lobbying

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activities before city staff

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boards, committees or the city

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commission. A copy of the

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applicable ordinance is

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available at the office of the

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city clerk miami city hall

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located at 3500. Pan american

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drive, miami, florida 33133.

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Thank you chair. Thank you very

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much. I will do the pledge of

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allegiance for discussion. The

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flag of the united states of.

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America and to the republic for

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which it stands one nation

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under GOD. Indivisible.

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>> with liberty and justice for

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all. Rafael, do you have to do

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a formal roll call or just

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obvious that there's only four

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four people here tonight? Okay.

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christopher norwood who was

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appointed by the mayor.

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>> he's here. He's just I think

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he stepped out for a second but

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he's going to be sitting right

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here. Oh great. Thank you. And

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how many people do we need for

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quorum? Eight people would be

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needed for quorum. Okay so

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five. Assuming with chris.

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five. Okay.

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MR. Norwood thank you very much

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for joining us. Peter. So I'm

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>> do the the roll call.

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lopez jenkins. Luis casamayor.

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stephen lightner. Gary milano.

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traynor. Daniel lopez.

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if we can just have everybody

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speak on the mics just so

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everybody.

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>> can hear. Thank you. All

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right. Any requests.

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didn't receive any. So we're

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going to move on to the

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discussion items. Um taking

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them slightly out of order if

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you don't mind. From the city

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attorney would like an update

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on the city commission agenda

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item that a resolution that we.

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changing.

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>> the quorum. Can we have a

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status for that item that. Yes.

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now the resolution essentially

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provides that the city manager

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will come back and bring an

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ordinance which would require

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two readings that city

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commission. So the next step is

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for the city manager to bring

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an ordinance consistent with

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what you guys have passed,

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>> the to the. Resolution and

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then that would require two

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readings. Oh, I was under the

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impression that was being taken

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care of when we submitted our.

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commission to be approved. No,

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the resolution that was passed

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by commission essentially

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>> manager will bring back an

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item. So that.

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time. So when will that item be

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don't have that information

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would be the manager who brings

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the item. Can you can you

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follow up with the manager so

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it can be heard.

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best three. Meetings I can have

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rafael to reach out to the

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manager rafaela because we've

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been waiting on 12 or 18 months

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for this one item to go through

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the city commission. It's a

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shame there's still a delay.

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Parks will follow up. We will

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follow up. Will you? Yep. Thank

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you very much. We appreciate

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that. Any questions from any

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board members on that everybody

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familiar with that item how

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that item works? We have it for

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those that are in the audience.

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We submitted an item resolution

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last year to change our quorum

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requirements. It's very hard to

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get eight people almost from

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any board to show up for

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meetings like this. We often

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get sick sometimes seven five

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to night and our our item would

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change the quorum requirements

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to only require three three

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people to show up to conduct

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business. Luckily we often have

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five, 6 or 7 but the new

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legislation would let us go

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forward with three. So we hope

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that gets.

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Commissioners as soon as

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possible through the chair.

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Yes. Just to clarify, the.

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Resolution provides for five

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voting members to constitute a

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quorum. Does it? Yeah. All

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right. Well it's still better

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than 7 or 8. Thank you very

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much. Um so then we're going to

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quickly go to the um the miami

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marine. Stadium basin mooring

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field. Is there rafael is there

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anybody from the.

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that or present on that item

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and the status of the miami

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marine stadium basin field. So

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alejandro is here from the

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dream department but they

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requested to provide updates in

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>> OCTOBER meeting um, when

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there will be better updates.

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going to hear from the public

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tonight on that item and we can

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also um continue that item

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until the next meeting in two

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months. And so we will be

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hearing from. Alejandro in in

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more detail in two months

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unless he wants to add some.

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Comments tonight. After he

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hears from the public and we

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public. There's some wonderful.

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tonight who have great

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information and have been

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attending meetings for years.

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microphone works. I'm sorry

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ma'am. Um, I'm I'm new here

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and, uh but there's an item on

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the agenda and there's no one

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here to speak about what the

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item is or is anybody going to

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speak as to what what you know

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what the item. Even as a

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discussion item? Uh, that's a

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great question. The board's

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been discussing this particular

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item for three or 4 or 5 years.

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the you're new to the to the

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board there we requested

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somebody from the

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administration to speak on this

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specific item tonight, but

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nobody from the. Administration

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wants to go into detail

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tonight. Unfortunately there

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are members of the public that

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have a massive amount of.

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information that hasn't even

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been. Distributed to the board.

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They've been attending some.

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officials that we have not been

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attending, and they're going to

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be updating us on what they've

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heard. So if you if you like,

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we're going to hear from some

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members of the.

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you'll learn a lot fairly

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quickly. MR. Chair, I would

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love to hear from the and we

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will hear from the public. But

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first I would like to hear who

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from the. Administration is

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attending this meeting.

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>> right now. Two members.

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>> so director danny lopez

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acting parks director okay. And

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alejandro martinez. I'm the

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director of the dream

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department. Of the marine

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department. Dream department of

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real estate and asset

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management. Got it. And so can

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someone explain to me what the

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miami marine stadium basin

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mooring. Field is? What exactly

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is it? Why don't we let.

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Alejandro handle that question?

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to probably to handle it. So go

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ahead and listen listen to the

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public give their presentation

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because like the chair

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mentioned this this project has

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a long standing history. Um,

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you and I can probably meet

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offline as well and I can give

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you a better summary of what

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the project is. Um, so so a lot

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of the topics on this there's

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going to be a more formal.

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Presentation made in OCTOBER. I

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would like the benefit of

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listening to the public because

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then maybe we can incorporate

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some of their points in that

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presentation and address some

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of their concerns. So I think

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the best course of action is to

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go ahead and listen to the

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public and then we can I can

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provide comments as appropriate

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and if not we can give you, you

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know. Documentation onto the

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project itself because it's

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it's it's a pretty.

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>> significant project with a

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pretty significant history. Um,

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if you don't mind, MR. Chair.

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this committee but I'm not new

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to serving on. Committees and

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boards and I've never sat on a

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committee or board when there's

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an item on the agenda that

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there's not somebody from the.

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Administration who. Presents

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what. Exactly the item is. And

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from the public and I'm sure

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they can add to whatever the

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later. Presentation MAY be by

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whomever from the

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administration. I just want to

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know what is the miami marine

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stadium basin mooring field and

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why is it on the agenda? And I

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would like to hear from staff

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to explain that so I can

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provide a little bit of insight

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on on this I why is it in the

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agenda I don't know right. But

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um the. Basin mooring field

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basically there for years folks

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have been able to you know, go

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to the basin anchor and

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completely neglect their boats.

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And so now the city has worked

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through a process of creating a

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mooring field there to now

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create rules and. Regulations

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for folks to come and.

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Properly.

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>> uh, you know, secure their

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boats and also pay a fee to the

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city for for for that. And then

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you know, with that comes.

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Services.

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>> uh, from the marinas also

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the marinas uh, division.

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Itself used to be under the

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dream department and now it's

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under the gsa department. Uh,

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so that that change just just

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happened not too long ago.

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That's a little bit of insight,

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you know, on on that, but

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that's basically what the

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mooring field is. Uh, you know,

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I don't know as.

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>> far as it being in the

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agenda this is my first

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meeting. So so just to clarify

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the the the the marine, the I'm

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sorry, the. Stadium basin field

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is a is a is a is out in the

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water. Yes. Okay. So it's.

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>> a it's it's it's near the

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marine stadium. Yeah. So

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basically.

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>> you have the marine.

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>> stadium and then.

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>> you have the basin right in

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front of it.

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>> so it's a body of water.

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It's a body of water. It's

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called the basin mooring field.

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The basin is called the marine

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basin uh the marine the marine

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stadium basin that's what it's

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called. And a mooring field is

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going to be.

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>> implemented in that basin.

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Thank you. All right. Thank you

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very much. Um you asked very

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good questions, MR. Norwood.

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you're absolutely right.

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Normally and it's completely

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appropriate for an expert from

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the city or the county or

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whatever government entity we'd

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like to in front of us to give

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us a background information on

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a particular item. The the

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mooring field that we're.

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Discussing will be in the miami

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marine stadium. Basin.

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>> which I believe is

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approximately 45 acres. Is that

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correct? And it's also.

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Designated historic. Um

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everybody's. Familiar with

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that. Gary milano you recall

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the designation of the miami

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marine basin as historic. Okay.

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Um, which which means it has a

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whole whole different set of.

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Requirements.

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>> that should be honored. Uh,

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anything historic should be

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should be reviewed. Um. I have

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a for for chris norwood to

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review quickly. There's an

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article there's a publication

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here. This is from dade

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heritage trust. Independent

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called. Preservation today.

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Historic miami marine stadium

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rebirth of an icon. This is.

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1617 years ago. This is from

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2009. Gary can you hand this to

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chris to [Laughter] Look at the

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pictures? I'm I'm fine. I I

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would love to review this

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absolutely absolutely. I just

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wanted to understand just what

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what it is and and it's on the

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agenda. It's on the agenda.

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>> because we're. Reviewing

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what about it? Oh we've been

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we've had we've heard a lot of

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comments from. Constituents

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taxpayers. Residents um. Rowers

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dragon boat rowers about the.

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Future of marine stadium basin

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and they they been asking for

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an. Update on the.

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>> status of the proposed

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mooring field. Perfect. I'm

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good I'm ready all right thank

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you thank you thank you your

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comments are excellent.

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Questions are excellent. Um

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leah would you like to speak

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first? Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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My name is leah kennard and I

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am a very frequent user of the

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basin and I thank you MR.

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Norwood for asking those

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questions. Um and I also am

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just going to state the value

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of this this board.

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>> for the involvement of the

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public has renewed my belief in

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democracy. Um it's really it's

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a vibrant opportunity for the

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public to participate in city

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decision making. And so I'm

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very grateful that we can talk

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about what's happening in the

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basin tonight so that the

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people who are here are all

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people who are interested

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either because they're out

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there rowing or paddling or

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because they're concerned about

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the environment and what

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happened. And the reason we are

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all here is because like you,

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we did not know what was

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happening in the basin and the

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city was moving forward with a

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full permitting process to put

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in 195 healix anchors into the

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floor of the basin that

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literally covers the acreage of

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the basin. Some changes were

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made initially um to what the

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city's plan would be, but it

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was never brought to this board

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to discuss this. And so we have

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not had an opportunity as

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paddlers as the community of

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paddlers, uh, to be able to

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react to what the plans were.

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So it is something that is

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discoverable through all of the

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permitting process with

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diagrams of what the anchorage

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will look like. And the city's

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plan has been a very good idea

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that we don't want boats to

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just be dropping anchors in the

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basin and and dragging the

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anchors around. And so the idea

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of having a mooring field would

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be that boats would come in and

462
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they would connect to boys that

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are anchored in the bottom of

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the basin. And that would be a

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better idea for preserving the

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environment. Uh, it also is um

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it would take care of the

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derelict boats. There used to

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be a number of derelict boats

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sitting in the basin. Um and

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then after covid began, uh,

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people discovered that the best

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way for me to live is on the

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water in the basin or all

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around miami on a boat. And so

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there were close to 200 boats

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that were parking in the basin

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and we were all out there

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paddling around them. All these

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people know that um and it was

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very uncomfortable because

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there was a lot of sewage in

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the water as well. It used to

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be that the miami marine

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stadium basin was a place for

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manatees. We would see them

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frequently for dolphin

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sometimes stingray. I even

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remember seeing a baby shark

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out there one time from the

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boat. When you're paddling or

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rowing you are touching the

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water so you understand the

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water. It's not like being in a

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motor boat where you're looking

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down at the water. I mean we

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experience what the marine

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stadium basin is. And so when I

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became aware through the um

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friends of biscayne bay that

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the permitting process was

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process was going on, I read

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every single um permit and I

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was shocked and so I prepared

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this document that highlights

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what I think the real issues

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are so that you have some

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background information to be

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able to um to consider and so

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you can read through the

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document. I'm just going to hit

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the high points of this and

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that is that um the first item

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number one says the current

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proposal represents a dramatic

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expansion beyond previous

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public discussions and ignores

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the long standing concerns of

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long standing stakeholders. And

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I know that roger bernstein and

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I have been talking at this

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microphone since 2018 about

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mooring fields. Roger is very

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familiar with mooring fields.

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I'm I'm familiar as a user of

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the basin and so um, something

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that is of interest to me is

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that the virginia key advisory,

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the virginia key master plan

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that dates back to 2010. And

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this is also for those of you

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who are newer in this group, it

533
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is it was developed by city

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charrettes that went on for a

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long period of time and the

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public actually designed what

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they thought the master plan

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for virginia key should be. And

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the master plan is still being

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used. And one of the reasons

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that that got my attention is

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because it was used as an

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argument to build the boat ramp

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and we were not people that

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were really in favor of the

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boat ramp because we weren't

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sure how the parking was going

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to occur, how the traffic was

549
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going to exist, what the

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traffic on rickenbacker was

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going to be. But in the

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meantime the city used the

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virginia key master plan and

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one line that said boat ramp.

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And so I point that out now

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that the virginia key master

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plan has no lines about a

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mooring field, it does not

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exist in the master plan. And

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so if we're going to use the

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master plan, I would put that

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out there that it doesn't exist

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in the master plan. Secondly,

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the current proposal is not

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consistent with the long term

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vision for virginia key and

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that's where I was that's I

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read that instead I need to go

569
00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:40,472
back to the first one because

570
00:21:40,472 --> 00:21:42,875
the argument for the first

571
00:21:42,875 --> 00:21:45,875
statement is that the city

572
00:21:46,979 --> 00:21:48,979
commission has approved 75

573
00:21:50,415 --> 00:21:52,484
mooring buoys for a mooring

574
00:21:52,484 --> 00:21:54,887
field. There has been no

575
00:21:54,887 --> 00:21:56,887
conversation about 195 anchors

576
00:21:58,691 --> 00:22:00,392
in the basin anywhere in in the

577
00:22:00,392 --> 00:22:02,794
public in a general public

578
00:22:02,794 --> 00:22:06,394
meeting that I'm aware of. Um

579
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,404
and so we jump from 75 buoys to

580
00:22:11,404 --> 00:22:13,804
195 anchors which are also

581
00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:16,208
potential buoys. Number three

582
00:22:16,208 --> 00:22:17,577
the mooring field must not be

583
00:22:17,577 --> 00:22:19,312
planned in isolation. And

584
00:22:19,312 --> 00:22:20,847
that's because all of the

585
00:22:20,847 --> 00:22:22,381
projects that are going on on

586
00:22:22,381 --> 00:22:23,782
virginia key right now have

587
00:22:23,782 --> 00:22:26,182
interaction they intersect with

588
00:22:27,887 --> 00:22:30,289
each other and um and I find it

589
00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:33,289
sort of interesting that when

590
00:22:33,392 --> 00:22:34,960
it comes to traffic, there's

591
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,328
traffic that all of these

592
00:22:36,328 --> 00:22:37,863
projects create, there's

593
00:22:37,863 --> 00:22:39,232
parking needs that all the

594
00:22:39,232 --> 00:22:41,632
projects create and there's

595
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,703
also traffic in the basin as

596
00:22:43,703 --> 00:22:45,700
well and and the permitting

597
00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:46,639
process. There's no

598
00:22:46,639 --> 00:22:49,639
consideration of any traffic in

599
00:22:52,812 --> 00:22:55,214
the basin. Um. Going on the

600
00:22:55,214 --> 00:22:56,782
current proposal falls a fails

601
00:22:56,782 --> 00:22:58,851
to account for the basin's

602
00:22:58,851 --> 00:23:00,219
daily recreational use by the

603
00:23:00,219 --> 00:23:01,921
paddling community who are

604
00:23:01,921 --> 00:23:04,323
represented here. I know here

605
00:23:04,323 --> 00:23:07,930
we see outriggers the outrigger

606
00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:09,493
community is represented the

607
00:23:09,495 --> 00:23:11,300
paddling teams uh dragon

608
00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:13,266
slayers who've been out there

609
00:23:13,266 --> 00:23:15,334
for at least two decades. Um I

610
00:23:15,334 --> 00:23:16,368
don't know that there are any

611
00:23:16,368 --> 00:23:18,368
puff representatives here

612
00:23:19,805 --> 00:23:21,541
tonight and the sos are the

613
00:23:21,541 --> 00:23:23,242
dragon boat team that I'm a

614
00:23:23,242 --> 00:23:24,977
member of um is currently

615
00:23:24,977 --> 00:23:26,512
competing in [Laughter] France.

616
00:23:26,512 --> 00:23:29,949
That's why none of my friends

617
00:23:29,949 --> 00:23:32,949
are here. I stayed back

618
00:23:33,386 --> 00:23:36,986
[Laughter] And um but oh thank

619
00:23:38,524 --> 00:23:40,592
you but so they I mean and it's

620
00:23:40,592 --> 00:23:41,995
a statement that all of these

621
00:23:41,995 --> 00:23:43,995
teams are internationally

622
00:23:44,396 --> 00:23:46,799
known. The coaches for our

623
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,501
teams are people that are

624
00:23:48,501 --> 00:23:50,737
recognized around the world.

625
00:23:50,737 --> 00:23:52,805
They're usa certified quite a

626
00:23:52,805 --> 00:23:54,507
number of them are they offer

627
00:23:54,507 --> 00:23:55,908
training and so the basin is

628
00:23:55,908 --> 00:23:57,110
not only a place for

629
00:23:57,110 --> 00:24:00,110
competition it's also a place

630
00:24:01,213 --> 00:24:03,282
for practice um public input

631
00:24:03,282 --> 00:24:04,851
and changes in state and county

632
00:24:04,851 --> 00:24:06,552
laws are helping to support the

633
00:24:06,552 --> 00:24:08,287
basin as a safe place for

634
00:24:08,287 --> 00:24:09,989
marine life and the reputation

635
00:24:09,989 --> 00:24:11,890
and attraction for miami for

636
00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:13,960
water sports. And I'm going to

637
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,696
refer here to and have roger

638
00:24:16,696 --> 00:24:18,431
bernstein talk because um, in

639
00:24:18,431 --> 00:24:21,868
going back through my notes, I

640
00:24:21,868 --> 00:24:23,903
realized that in 2018 we were

641
00:24:23,903 --> 00:24:26,303
already talking about anchorage

642
00:24:26,672 --> 00:24:28,208
limitation area. We ourselves

643
00:24:28,208 --> 00:24:29,575
had talked to an attorney who

644
00:24:29,575 --> 00:24:31,811
was knowledgeable about that

645
00:24:31,811 --> 00:24:34,413
and roger has kept up with that

646
00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:35,781
all along and he can speak in a

647
00:24:35,781 --> 00:24:37,149
much more intelligent way about

648
00:24:37,149 --> 00:24:39,218
it than I can. But that's

649
00:24:39,218 --> 00:24:40,753
referenced in the last part. So

650
00:24:40,753 --> 00:24:42,822
I have two things that I would

651
00:24:42,822 --> 00:24:44,891
like to see happen that the

652
00:24:44,891 --> 00:24:47,291
city discontinue the committing

653
00:24:47,293 --> 00:24:49,693
the current permitting process.

654
00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:52,431
That's why to meet tonight

655
00:24:52,431 --> 00:24:54,831
rather than waiting until

656
00:24:55,868 --> 00:24:58,304
there's a quorum until OCTOBER

657
00:24:58,304 --> 00:25:01,400
because if the city could get

658
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,440
serious about involving the

659
00:25:03,776 --> 00:25:05,845
community about this, we can

660
00:25:05,845 --> 00:25:08,948
avoid making a lot of mistakes.

661
00:25:08,948 --> 00:25:11,170
So that's one of my asks. The

662
00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:12,218
second one is to engage the

663
00:25:12,218 --> 00:25:13,586
public in the planning

664
00:25:13,586 --> 00:25:15,321
committees and workshops to

665
00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:16,690
consider all the factors

666
00:25:16,690 --> 00:25:18,757
associated with the mooring

667
00:25:18,757 --> 00:25:21,494
field. And so we're ready to

668
00:25:21,494 --> 00:25:22,862
help. I mean I think the city

669
00:25:22,862 --> 00:25:24,931
could come up with a much

670
00:25:24,931 --> 00:25:27,667
better plan if we are involved

671
00:25:27,667 --> 00:25:29,736
in doing that. But roger can

672
00:25:29,736 --> 00:25:32,505
explain a lot more about the

673
00:25:32,505 --> 00:25:35,505
laws and policies. Before you

674
00:25:35,574 --> 00:25:39,110
sit down for a quick question

675
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:41,800
if there were I mean this this

676
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,648
board did was aware of the

677
00:25:42,648 --> 00:25:45,648
legislation pending for I think

678
00:25:45,718 --> 00:25:47,787
it was 50 mooring that I

679
00:25:47,787 --> 00:25:48,854
believe. It's turned into 75 at

680
00:25:48,854 --> 00:25:50,190
a city commission meeting.

681
00:25:50,190 --> 00:25:51,391
>> I believe it went to the

682
00:25:51,391 --> 00:25:52,425
city commission with 50 and

683
00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:54,425
during the meeting

684
00:25:56,563 --> 00:25:58,563
commissioners suggested through

685
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:02,569
the interest of some of the

686
00:26:02,569 --> 00:26:04,638
boating lobbyists that it go

687
00:26:04,638 --> 00:26:08,238
from 50 to 75 and I think it's

688
00:26:08,408 --> 00:26:10,476
75 past. 75 past. 75 didn't I

689
00:26:10,476 --> 00:26:13,580
believe come to this board? But

690
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:15,649
my question is if there were

691
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:17,684
100 or 195 mooring in the

692
00:26:17,684 --> 00:26:20,453
basin, what would that do to

693
00:26:20,453 --> 00:26:22,856
people's ability to grow cruise

694
00:26:22,856 --> 00:26:25,258
shells or dragon boats or

695
00:26:25,258 --> 00:26:27,326
triathlons or use the basin for

696
00:26:27,326 --> 00:26:29,326
recreation and and

697
00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,465
non-motorized boating? My

698
00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:34,901
opinion is it would basically

699
00:26:34,901 --> 00:26:37,470
put us out of business because

700
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:39,539
we have a need for events. Uh,

701
00:26:39,539 --> 00:26:42,275
i know that the permitting

702
00:26:42,275 --> 00:26:44,675
process includes the estimate

703
00:26:44,678 --> 00:26:47,678
that the marine stadium might

704
00:26:47,781 --> 00:26:50,884
have five events in a year that

705
00:26:50,884 --> 00:26:53,884
would require moving vessels if

706
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,757
the basin was filled up with

707
00:26:57,757 --> 00:26:59,626
vessels on those mooring, the

708
00:26:59,626 --> 00:27:02,626
marine stadium would not be

709
00:27:02,729 --> 00:27:05,465
able to have events. Um because

710
00:27:05,465 --> 00:27:06,666
you cannot move we can tell you

711
00:27:06,666 --> 00:27:08,680
it's tough to move any vessel

712
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,470
because we tried to do that

713
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:12,372
before. Okay, so I guess we're

714
00:27:12,372 --> 00:27:13,740
going to hear from roger and

715
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:15,108
anybody else that wants to

716
00:27:15,108 --> 00:27:17,176
speak. Does anybody else have a

717
00:27:17,176 --> 00:27:19,579
question for leah I do jerry.

718
00:27:19,579 --> 00:27:21,114
Um you said that they're in

719
00:27:21,114 --> 00:27:23,182
permitting right now. Do they

720
00:27:23,182 --> 00:27:25,251
have not obtained a permit for

721
00:27:25,251 --> 00:27:26,619
the project yet? Correct. So

722
00:27:26,619 --> 00:27:29,190
they're not amending an

723
00:27:29,220 --> 00:27:30,757
existing permit. They're

724
00:27:30,757 --> 00:27:33,157
requesting a new permit.

725
00:27:36,229 --> 00:27:38,998
Actually, uh julia and I can

726
00:27:38,998 --> 00:27:40,700
explain more about that. Um

727
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,103
that's how I became familiar

728
00:27:43,103 --> 00:27:44,838
with the process was because of

729
00:27:44,838 --> 00:27:46,907
the work that they were doing.

730
00:27:46,907 --> 00:27:48,441
And the other thing is the

731
00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:50,843
objective the objective of the

732
00:27:50,843 --> 00:27:53,613
mooring field originally was to

733
00:27:53,613 --> 00:27:54,981
get rid of the derelict vessels

734
00:27:54,981 --> 00:27:56,182
that were anchoring in the

735
00:27:56,182 --> 00:27:58,182
basin, correct? Correct.

736
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,820
>> and right now all of those

737
00:28:00,820 --> 00:28:03,560
boats derelict vessels have

738
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,125
moved out of the basin and

739
00:28:05,125 --> 00:28:07,527
they're on the south side of

740
00:28:07,527 --> 00:28:07,861
the causeway at this point.

741
00:28:07,861 --> 00:28:09,861
Correct.

742
00:28:10,797 --> 00:28:12,866
>> do you know why and how that

743
00:28:12,866 --> 00:28:14,567
occurred since the original

744
00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:17,567
objective of the mooring field

745
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,730
was to provide a mechanism to

746
00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:22,809
regulate the area within the

747
00:28:22,809 --> 00:28:25,809
marine stadium basin? That's a

748
00:28:25,913 --> 00:28:28,313
wonderful question, gary. Um,

749
00:28:28,481 --> 00:28:30,550
for those of us of us that have

750
00:28:30,550 --> 00:28:33,550
been out there watching vessels

751
00:28:34,354 --> 00:28:37,354
disappear, it was a mystery

752
00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:40,193
where all at once the vessels

753
00:28:40,193 --> 00:28:43,793
are gone, the the dolphin are

754
00:28:44,998 --> 00:28:46,366
coming back. Um we can only um

755
00:28:46,366 --> 00:28:48,435
you know, think that it was

756
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:51,435
because of enforcement and we

757
00:28:51,872 --> 00:28:54,872
can say that enforcement worked

758
00:28:54,974 --> 00:28:58,450
for calming down the jet skis.

759
00:28:58,450 --> 00:29:01,645
We had a horrible jet ski

760
00:29:02,883 --> 00:29:04,585
problem in the basin. Um and in

761
00:29:04,585 --> 00:29:07,585
fact caesar is here tonight

762
00:29:07,854 --> 00:29:08,922
and. So you'd have to you have

763
00:29:08,922 --> 00:29:10,256
to speak on the microphone.

764
00:29:10,256 --> 00:29:11,825
>> yeah. Why don't you come up

765
00:29:11,825 --> 00:29:12,326
and. Talk and I'll step away.

766
00:29:12,326 --> 00:29:13,260
Thank you.

767
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:15,260
>> very much.

768
00:29:17,997 --> 00:29:20,734
>> I'll introduce andre. Or do

769
00:29:20,734 --> 00:29:22,803
you want excuse me. My name is

770
00:29:22,803 --> 00:29:25,572
andres sosa. Andres sosa. I'm

771
00:29:25,572 --> 00:29:27,974
also part of this community.

772
00:29:27,974 --> 00:29:30,376
It's that we use the basin what

773
00:29:30,376 --> 00:29:33,113
I see in the proper way like

774
00:29:33,113 --> 00:29:35,515
the basin historically we have

775
00:29:35,515 --> 00:29:37,918
the marine station. I think

776
00:29:37,918 --> 00:29:39,987
it's a purpose that we are

777
00:29:39,987 --> 00:29:42,223
spending money renewing the

778
00:29:42,223 --> 00:29:43,957
marine stadium and at the same

779
00:29:43,957 --> 00:29:45,825
time we're discussing something

780
00:29:45,825 --> 00:29:47,560
that is going to block the

781
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,462
purpose of the renewal of the

782
00:29:49,462 --> 00:29:50,830
marine stadium. In my point of

783
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:52,900
view marine stadium the basin

784
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:54,935
was built for sports yes motor

785
00:29:54,935 --> 00:29:57,170
sports water sports but it was

786
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:59,773
sports and we want to keep it

787
00:29:59,773 --> 00:30:01,308
that way. We have the mrc here

788
00:30:01,308 --> 00:30:02,676
that we have a growing

789
00:30:02,676 --> 00:30:03,710
community over there. We have

790
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:06,110
dragon boaters, we have

791
00:30:06,313 --> 00:30:07,848
paddlers. That is the only spot

792
00:30:07,848 --> 00:30:09,716
one of the few spots that we

793
00:30:09,716 --> 00:30:11,452
have in miami with access to

794
00:30:11,452 --> 00:30:14,452
the water for small watercraft

795
00:30:14,554 --> 00:30:16,256
not suffering dangers like

796
00:30:16,256 --> 00:30:18,825
crazy people driving jet ski

797
00:30:18,825 --> 00:30:20,895
and run over the. I saw this

798
00:30:20,895 --> 00:30:22,796
personally both friends of mine

799
00:30:22,796 --> 00:30:24,498
run over by jet ski. I saw

800
00:30:24,498 --> 00:30:26,567
people dying in the marine

801
00:30:26,567 --> 00:30:28,302
stadium with jet ski because in

802
00:30:28,302 --> 00:30:30,170
miami it's really easy to rent

803
00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:31,906
a boat. You don't need a

804
00:30:31,906 --> 00:30:33,974
license or nothing. Anyone can

805
00:30:33,974 --> 00:30:36,710
have a boat in my opinion

806
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:39,480
transforming as you ask you ask

807
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,181
the most crucial question. The

808
00:30:41,181 --> 00:30:43,584
purpose of the mooring fields

809
00:30:43,584 --> 00:30:45,318
was to block people from

810
00:30:45,318 --> 00:30:48,550
sleeping with boats over that

811
00:30:48,550 --> 00:30:49,956
and control that from the past

812
00:30:49,956 --> 00:30:51,825
year and a half this is not

813
00:30:51,825 --> 00:30:53,393
happening and I have an answer

814
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:54,762
for that because cesar put a

815
00:30:54,762 --> 00:30:56,464
race over there every year I

816
00:30:56,464 --> 00:30:58,198
put an event every day every

817
00:30:58,198 --> 00:30:59,399
year that is a polynesian

818
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:00,767
festival that I bring people

819
00:31:00,767 --> 00:31:02,502
from french polynesia, from

820
00:31:02,502 --> 00:31:04,572
hawaii, from rapanui, from

821
00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:06,807
brazil and I do a festival

822
00:31:06,807 --> 00:31:08,842
polynesian festival. So we have

823
00:31:08,842 --> 00:31:10,911
to deal with the police

824
00:31:10,911 --> 00:31:13,847
requesting to move those boats.

825
00:31:13,847 --> 00:31:15,382
They move those boats. So on my

826
00:31:15,382 --> 00:31:16,249
point of view I think it's like

827
00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:18,318
they understand that it's

828
00:31:18,318 --> 00:31:20,387
better to take care or have

829
00:31:20,387 --> 00:31:22,890
suffering three months we are

830
00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:23,624
taking more of the marine

831
00:31:23,624 --> 00:31:26,600
stadium so the law enforcement

832
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,594
is working right now. We just

833
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:28,795
need to keep the law

834
00:31:28,795 --> 00:31:30,531
enforcement running and we

835
00:31:30,531 --> 00:31:31,732
don't need to spend money

836
00:31:31,732 --> 00:31:33,100
putting more infields over

837
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:34,634
there that is going to cut the

838
00:31:34,634 --> 00:31:36,370
purpose. Maybe we can put

839
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:37,738
sports again in the basin using

840
00:31:37,738 --> 00:31:39,440
the marine stadium. You know,

841
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,842
with that beautiful skyline of

842
00:31:41,842 --> 00:31:44,277
miami that's one one we can

843
00:31:44,277 --> 00:31:46,313
work together as a community if

844
00:31:46,313 --> 00:31:48,480
you guys allow us to

845
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,480
participate and help you guys

846
00:31:51,819 --> 00:31:53,554
to restore that the amazing

847
00:31:53,554 --> 00:31:55,623
place that is the basin, you

848
00:31:55,623 --> 00:31:58,623
know the marine stadium that's

849
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,462
our only access to the water

850
00:32:01,462 --> 00:32:02,996
safely. You know to put like

851
00:32:02,996 --> 00:32:05,399
you have like a ladies here

852
00:32:05,399 --> 00:32:07,799
dragon boaters for from 15

853
00:32:08,168 --> 00:32:10,204
years old to 80 using that

854
00:32:10,204 --> 00:32:11,772
basin you know and you don't

855
00:32:11,772 --> 00:32:12,974
know how dangerous it is

856
00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:15,376
sometimes people in the boat

857
00:32:15,376 --> 00:32:17,445
they don't have the knowledge

858
00:32:17,445 --> 00:32:19,313
and the view and the

859
00:32:19,313 --> 00:32:21,381
perspective of being in a small

860
00:32:21,381 --> 00:32:23,984
watercraft in the ocean with a

861
00:32:23,984 --> 00:32:26,720
55 foot boat they come close to

862
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,956
you, they make waves. You can

863
00:32:28,956 --> 00:32:30,657
you can go down in the water if

864
00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:32,727
a person that already has a

865
00:32:32,727 --> 00:32:34,462
certain age turns like a death

866
00:32:34,462 --> 00:32:37,197
and life in that moment, you

867
00:32:37,197 --> 00:32:39,267
know? So it's a very crucial

868
00:32:39,267 --> 00:32:41,335
point this this discussion here

869
00:32:41,335 --> 00:32:43,237
and we want to be involved.

870
00:32:43,237 --> 00:32:44,605
It's not about oh we're here to

871
00:32:44,605 --> 00:32:45,806
block this or block no, we want

872
00:32:45,806 --> 00:32:46,840
to get involved to ban better

873
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,543
for everyone. That's the whole

874
00:32:48,543 --> 00:32:49,743
point of we are. Here staying

875
00:32:49,743 --> 00:32:51,111
on second. Gary do you have a

876
00:32:51,111 --> 00:32:53,881
follow up question? Thank you.

877
00:32:53,881 --> 00:32:56,617
Um the other thing I see is

878
00:32:56,617 --> 00:32:58,352
that the marine stadium

879
00:32:58,352 --> 00:33:00,752
restoration just passed through

880
00:33:01,421 --> 00:33:03,491
the referendum. So the marine

881
00:33:03,491 --> 00:33:05,560
stadium is going to happen. So

882
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,295
the marine stadium to have

883
00:33:08,295 --> 00:33:10,364
venues needs to have the basin

884
00:33:10,364 --> 00:33:13,467
available to be able to provide

885
00:33:13,467 --> 00:33:13,801
a variety of different.

886
00:33:13,801 --> 00:33:15,801
Exactly.

887
00:33:16,904 --> 00:33:18,973
>> so I see the mooring field

888
00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:21,410
conflicting with the marine

889
00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:22,743
stadium venues in the future as

890
00:33:22,743 --> 00:33:24,478
well. Exactly. So at this point

891
00:33:24,478 --> 00:33:26,180
I think it's important you know

892
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:28,249
again we're going to hear a

893
00:33:28,249 --> 00:33:30,649
formal presentation on OCTOBER

894
00:33:30,985 --> 00:33:32,386
27th here at 530 and we'll hear

895
00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:34,422
from the city and we'll be able

896
00:33:34,422 --> 00:33:36,857
to ask them questions and find

897
00:33:36,857 --> 00:33:38,892
out where the permitting is and

898
00:33:38,892 --> 00:33:40,962
where the funding is. The

899
00:33:40,962 --> 00:33:42,863
biggest problem we as a board

900
00:33:42,863 --> 00:33:46,300
have seen through the years is

901
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,369
that the city provides they put

902
00:33:48,369 --> 00:33:50,769
together these projects, they

903
00:33:50,771 --> 00:33:52,841
go to the funding source, they

904
00:33:52,841 --> 00:33:54,875
obtain the funding without

905
00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:56,944
coming to us and I've got

906
00:33:56,944 --> 00:33:59,130
documentation here that any

907
00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:00,748
project on virginia key is

908
00:34:00,748 --> 00:34:03,151
supposed to come before this

909
00:34:03,151 --> 00:34:04,852
board before it goes forward

910
00:34:04,852 --> 00:34:06,587
and that's something that the

911
00:34:06,587 --> 00:34:08,990
city has failed doing and

912
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:11,392
because of that they get

913
00:34:11,392 --> 00:34:13,461
project funding which they

914
00:34:13,461 --> 00:34:14,829
don't want to return. They've

915
00:34:14,829 --> 00:34:16,197
got you know, a gazillion

916
00:34:16,197 --> 00:34:18,990
dollars and they go oh, but we

917
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:19,633
got this money now we we just

918
00:34:19,633 --> 00:34:21,702
can't turn away from it. But

919
00:34:21,702 --> 00:34:25,302
that's the thing the city needs

920
00:34:25,473 --> 00:34:27,208
to do to provide the proper to

921
00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,910
follow the master plan. Exactly

922
00:34:28,910 --> 00:34:31,310
.And that's something that

923
00:34:31,312 --> 00:34:33,470
this board was put together to

924
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:34,416
oversee the implementation of

925
00:34:34,416 --> 00:34:36,484
the master plan. And that's

926
00:34:36,484 --> 00:34:38,185
what we do every day on this

927
00:34:38,185 --> 00:34:39,587
board is basically look at

928
00:34:39,587 --> 00:34:41,987
projects and hopefully this

929
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:44,558
project will be reviewed, you

930
00:34:44,558 --> 00:34:45,760
know by you you know once we

931
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,295
get a formal presentation we'll

932
00:34:47,295 --> 00:34:48,863
be able to ask questions. But

933
00:34:48,863 --> 00:34:50,640
permitting is one thing and

934
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,599
funding is the other. And

935
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,668
that's the thing that we need

936
00:34:53,668 --> 00:34:55,737
to kind of see where that's at

937
00:34:55,737 --> 00:34:57,104
and see if there's a way that

938
00:34:57,104 --> 00:34:59,104
through community involvement

939
00:34:59,507 --> 00:35:01,576
we can maybe change the course

940
00:35:01,576 --> 00:35:03,310
the direction of this mooring

941
00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:05,179
field project. Thank you so

942
00:35:05,179 --> 00:35:06,914
much. And I just want to point

943
00:35:06,914 --> 00:35:09,150
out that this amount of people

944
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:10,852
that you see here actually I

945
00:35:10,852 --> 00:35:12,753
wouldn't say there's not 110%

946
00:35:12,753 --> 00:35:14,288
of what we have of paddlers

947
00:35:14,288 --> 00:35:15,857
over there, but it's a huge

948
00:35:15,857 --> 00:35:16,858
community that we if we bring

949
00:35:16,858 --> 00:35:18,592
everyone we're going to load

950
00:35:18,592 --> 00:35:20,161
this like three times. It's a

951
00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:22,196
big community that enjoys the

952
00:35:22,196 --> 00:35:23,564
basin and we just keep

953
00:35:23,564 --> 00:35:24,966
continuing enjoying and we

954
00:35:24,966 --> 00:35:26,667
don't want to stop progress.

955
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:28,402
I'm not here we know that

956
00:35:28,402 --> 00:35:30,104
progress but like as you said

957
00:35:30,104 --> 00:35:32,600
we can use the money properly

958
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,208
maybe make the basin better for

959
00:35:33,208 --> 00:35:33,575
everyone really better for

960
00:35:33,575 --> 00:35:34,576
everyone.

961
00:35:34,576 --> 00:35:36,310
>> well thank you for taking

962
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:38,713
the time to come. Roger

963
00:35:38,713 --> 00:35:40,247
bernstein and anybody else that

964
00:35:40,247 --> 00:35:42,150
wants to speak and we'll be

965
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:45,220
able to get up after roger

966
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:46,254
speaks. Hi there, I'm roger

967
00:35:46,254 --> 00:35:49,854
bernstein. I live in the city

968
00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:52,126
of miami. I've rowed in the

969
00:35:52,126 --> 00:35:53,995
marine stadium basin for over

970
00:35:53,995 --> 00:35:55,196
30 years and I've seen it

971
00:35:55,196 --> 00:35:56,931
change. I've seen it

972
00:35:56,931 --> 00:35:59,931
deteriorate and I've seen it

973
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,736
improve this proposal for

974
00:36:01,736 --> 00:36:03,271
mooring field and this is a

975
00:36:03,271 --> 00:36:05,600
proposal that doesn't exist at

976
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,408
this point. Proposal for a

977
00:36:07,408 --> 00:36:09,811
mooring field is a solution in

978
00:36:09,811 --> 00:36:12,748
search of a problem that no

979
00:36:12,748 --> 00:36:15,484
longer exists. The problem was

980
00:36:15,484 --> 00:36:18,586
that the basin had over the

981
00:36:18,586 --> 00:36:20,655
years accumulated all kinds of

982
00:36:20,655 --> 00:36:22,655
vessels including derelict

983
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,793
vessels at risks of sinking

984
00:36:25,793 --> 00:36:28,793
boats that were anchored out

985
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:32,000
there as the rate for wet

986
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,702
storage docks went up and up.

987
00:36:33,702 --> 00:36:35,937
People said I'm not going to

988
00:36:35,937 --> 00:36:37,672
pay $3,000 a month for my 30

989
00:36:37,672 --> 00:36:40,672
foot sailboat. I'll find a

990
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:43,144
place to put it. And the marine

991
00:36:43,144 --> 00:36:45,544
stadium was fairly accessible

992
00:36:45,547 --> 00:36:47,281
from the shore and it became

993
00:36:47,281 --> 00:36:50,180
covered with these things. Now

994
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:53,288
these boats would sit out there

995
00:36:53,288 --> 00:36:54,856
and not be used. I would row at

996
00:36:54,856 --> 00:36:56,892
6:00 in the morning. It was

997
00:36:56,892 --> 00:36:58,126
pitch dark by law they're

998
00:36:58,126 --> 00:36:59,827
supposed to have lights on

999
00:36:59,827 --> 00:37:02,230
them. They had no lights. They

1000
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:03,598
were improperly anchored. They

1001
00:37:03,598 --> 00:37:06,100
drifted all over the place. You

1002
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:07,736
had no idea where the boat was

1003
00:37:07,736 --> 00:37:10,736
here yesterday and today it's

1004
00:37:11,172 --> 00:37:14,772
over there. It was horrible. So

1005
00:37:15,644 --> 00:37:18,450
the city of miami said we under

1006
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:20,448
florida law do not have the

1007
00:37:20,448 --> 00:37:23,448
authority to regulate our own

1008
00:37:23,551 --> 00:37:26,988
water. It has to come from fwc

1009
00:37:26,988 --> 00:37:28,357
and tallahassee by law they

1010
00:37:28,357 --> 00:37:31,357
regulate the waters of the

1011
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:33,528
state of florida and the one

1012
00:37:33,528 --> 00:37:36,264
solution the city came up with

1013
00:37:36,264 --> 00:37:38,500
they said if we applied fwc and

1014
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,235
we get a permit for a mooring

1015
00:37:40,235 --> 00:37:42,971
field, we can put that mooring

1016
00:37:42,971 --> 00:37:47,108
field in the basin and then we

1017
00:37:47,108 --> 00:37:48,810
will displace all of these

1018
00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:51,212
garbage boats that are anchored

1019
00:37:51,212 --> 00:37:53,615
there. And that was the idea.

1020
00:37:53,615 --> 00:37:56,615
So originally it was 50 mooring

1021
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,787
.Then the commission passed

1022
00:37:58,787 --> 00:38:01,522
752 years ago they came up with

1023
00:38:01,522 --> 00:38:03,257
this plan for 195 and I've

1024
00:38:03,257 --> 00:38:05,326
asked that it be circulated

1025
00:38:05,326 --> 00:38:07,729
here. It covers the basin from

1026
00:38:07,729 --> 00:38:11,166
top to bottom side to side.

1027
00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:13,901
That's it. No more public use.

1028
00:38:13,901 --> 00:38:15,970
Why did they do that? I sat

1029
00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:19,740
with them at dream and they

1030
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:21,810
said we're doing this because

1031
00:38:21,810 --> 00:38:23,879
the mooring field by law will

1032
00:38:23,879 --> 00:38:25,948
prohibit anybody from anchoring

1033
00:38:25,948 --> 00:38:28,683
their boat there. And in

1034
00:38:28,683 --> 00:38:31,860
addition the law says 100ft

1035
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:32,821
perimeter beyond that mooring

1036
00:38:32,821 --> 00:38:35,821
field they can't anchor their

1037
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:37,458
boat so mechanically to fill up

1038
00:38:37,458 --> 00:38:39,327
the basin. That's what we do.

1039
00:38:39,327 --> 00:38:41,763
So that plan is two years old.

1040
00:38:41,763 --> 00:38:44,165
Guess what the last session of

1041
00:38:44,165 --> 00:38:45,867
the florida legislature they

1042
00:38:45,867 --> 00:38:48,267
extended the 100 foot perimeter

1043
00:38:49,304 --> 00:38:51,539
to 300ft. So that's 600ft from

1044
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:53,608
side to side and top to bottom.

1045
00:38:53,608 --> 00:38:55,143
You don't have to put mooring

1046
00:38:55,143 --> 00:38:58,143
there because you can't anchor

1047
00:38:58,247 --> 00:39:00,649
there by law that plan does not

1048
00:39:00,649 --> 00:39:03,490
anticipate that. The second

1049
00:39:03,752 --> 00:39:07,189
thing that has happened is I

1050
00:39:07,189 --> 00:39:09,591
told you that the state had

1051
00:39:09,591 --> 00:39:11,991
authority to regulate anchoring

1052
00:39:13,395 --> 00:39:15,960
in the county's and they were

1053
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,999
very jealous about that

1054
00:39:16,999 --> 00:39:19,999
authority and they would not

1055
00:39:20,268 --> 00:39:22,304
let the counties do very much.

1056
00:39:22,304 --> 00:39:24,704
The legislature recently passed

1057
00:39:27,475 --> 00:39:30,211
a law and the beginning of it

1058
00:39:30,211 --> 00:39:31,613
says previously florida

1059
00:39:31,613 --> 00:39:33,314
statutes generally preempted

1060
00:39:33,314 --> 00:39:34,683
local governments from

1061
00:39:34,683 --> 00:39:36,510
regulating the anchoring of

1062
00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:38,451
vessels outside the mark

1063
00:39:40,188 --> 00:39:42,588
boundaries of mooring field.

1064
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,396
Section 327.4 e108n2 of the

1065
00:39:47,396 --> 00:39:49,131
florida statutes provides a

1066
00:39:49,131 --> 00:39:50,499
limited exception to the

1067
00:39:50,499 --> 00:39:52,499
anchoring preemption under

1068
00:39:52,902 --> 00:39:54,970
which a county could establish

1069
00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:57,370
a 45 day anchoring limitation

1070
00:39:57,739 --> 00:40:00,139
area under certain conditions.

1071
00:40:00,809 --> 00:40:02,711
With that 45 days means is if a

1072
00:40:02,711 --> 00:40:04,579
boat is anchored in the marine

1073
00:40:04,579 --> 00:40:06,815
stadium, it can be there for no

1074
00:40:06,815 --> 00:40:09,250
more than 45 days. Then it has

1075
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:10,619
to move. So the idea of

1076
00:40:10,619 --> 00:40:13,190
derelict vessels sitting there

1077
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:17,126
for years until they sink is

1078
00:40:17,126 --> 00:40:19,194
finished. This is a county

1079
00:40:19,194 --> 00:40:21,263
ordinance. It has gone through

1080
00:40:21,263 --> 00:40:23,665
all of the procedures. I

1081
00:40:23,665 --> 00:40:27,265
believe the final reading is on

1082
00:40:29,171 --> 00:40:32,171
OCTOBER uh it will create.

1083
00:40:33,308 --> 00:40:36,908
Section 7-40.1 of the of the

1084
00:40:38,113 --> 00:40:41,113
code of miami-dade county. This

1085
00:40:41,550 --> 00:40:43,953
means that the county can

1086
00:40:43,953 --> 00:40:46,953
working with the city designate

1087
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,124
any portion or all of the

1088
00:40:49,124 --> 00:40:51,159
marine stadium basin as an

1089
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,559
anchoring limitation area and

1090
00:40:53,595 --> 00:40:57,320
boats can't go in there. So

1091
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,320
this ridiculous 195 ball

1092
00:41:00,469 --> 00:41:02,338
mooring field made the plan

1093
00:41:02,338 --> 00:41:04,239
made two years ago does not

1094
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,941
take account of the 300 foot

1095
00:41:05,941 --> 00:41:07,343
perimeter does not take account

1096
00:41:07,343 --> 00:41:09,743
of the anchoring limitation

1097
00:41:09,745 --> 00:41:12,148
area. It can't go forward. We

1098
00:41:12,148 --> 00:41:14,550
need to look at this and say

1099
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:16,950
hey there's been enforcement.

1100
00:41:19,354 --> 00:41:22,954
The basin is clear. We don't

1101
00:41:23,826 --> 00:41:26,595
need 195 ball mooring field to

1102
00:41:26,595 --> 00:41:29,665
clear the basin. We MAY not

1103
00:41:29,665 --> 00:41:33,265
need any mooring field in the

1104
00:41:38,274 --> 00:41:41,377
basin. And. As leah said, they

1105
00:41:41,377 --> 00:41:43,779
can't blindly move forward with

1106
00:41:43,779 --> 00:41:46,179
this thing when the

1107
00:41:46,182 --> 00:41:47,883
circumstances have changed. The

1108
00:41:47,883 --> 00:41:50,883
basin is empty of derelict

1109
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,900
boats. There's a 600 foot area

1110
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:56,158
300ft on each side top and

1111
00:41:56,158 --> 00:41:58,561
bottom around a mooring field

1112
00:41:58,561 --> 00:41:59,762
and the county has the ability

1113
00:41:59,762 --> 00:42:02,162
to create an anchoring

1114
00:42:02,497 --> 00:42:06,970
limitation area for some or all

1115
00:42:06,968 --> 00:42:10,406
of the basin. So this idea of

1116
00:42:10,406 --> 00:42:12,307
195 ball mooring field is a

1117
00:42:12,307 --> 00:42:15,907
solution to a problem that no

1118
00:42:17,813 --> 00:42:18,109
longer exists. Questions? Roger

1119
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:19,514
.

1120
00:42:19,514 --> 00:42:21,416
>> yes. Quick question. Thank

1121
00:42:21,416 --> 00:42:23,486
you. I know you've been working

1122
00:42:23,486 --> 00:42:25,888
on this issue for for years

1123
00:42:25,888 --> 00:42:26,923
many years and you've been

1124
00:42:26,923 --> 00:42:28,124
wonderful coming to the

1125
00:42:28,124 --> 00:42:29,825
meetings and educating all of

1126
00:42:29,825 --> 00:42:32,595
the board members and city

1127
00:42:32,595 --> 00:42:34,630
staff. And in the next few

1128
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:37,320
weeks can you reach out to

1129
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,503
alejandro on my right who is

1130
00:42:40,503 --> 00:42:42,538
the director of dream and um

1131
00:42:42,538 --> 00:42:45,141
maybe have a meeting with him

1132
00:42:45,141 --> 00:42:47,877
and and share your ideas. A

1133
00:42:47,877 --> 00:42:49,946
question is this under dream or

1134
00:42:49,946 --> 00:42:52,346
capital improvements or what?

1135
00:42:52,682 --> 00:42:54,583
Um, I think daniel lopez said

1136
00:42:54,583 --> 00:42:55,952
can you can you enlighten us

1137
00:42:55,952 --> 00:42:57,320
daniel and who's in charge of

1138
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,720
this project now? Yeah.

1139
00:42:59,755 --> 00:43:02,158
>> so my understanding is that

1140
00:43:02,158 --> 00:43:04,893
mooring fields are within the

1141
00:43:04,893 --> 00:43:06,429
marinas division and the

1142
00:43:06,429 --> 00:43:08,865
marinas division is now under

1143
00:43:08,865 --> 00:43:11,267
the gsa department. Now I can't

1144
00:43:11,267 --> 00:43:13,135
speak to specifically you know

1145
00:43:13,135 --> 00:43:14,200
how that has transpired but

1146
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,371
that that's the best

1147
00:43:15,371 --> 00:43:17,440
information I can provide at

1148
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,641
the time. You can go ahead and

1149
00:43:18,641 --> 00:43:19,709
reach out to me and then I'll

1150
00:43:19,709 --> 00:43:21,440
make sure that the appropriate

1151
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,245
people are part of the

1152
00:43:22,245 --> 00:43:23,646
discussion because it's going

1153
00:43:23,646 --> 00:43:24,847
to be multifaceted, right? So

1154
00:43:24,847 --> 00:43:26,215
it's obviously a very

1155
00:43:26,215 --> 00:43:27,584
complicated project. It has a

1156
00:43:27,584 --> 00:43:28,951
lot of moving pieces. So I'll

1157
00:43:28,951 --> 00:43:30,152
make sure that the right people

1158
00:43:30,152 --> 00:43:31,520
are in attendance to this

1159
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,520
discussion. Good.

1160
00:43:34,123 --> 00:43:37,723
>> uh certainly we will do that

1161
00:43:39,629 --> 00:43:42,310
and. I think everybody has the

1162
00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:44,767
same intention here which is to

1163
00:43:44,767 --> 00:43:48,204
keep the basin open and free of

1164
00:43:48,204 --> 00:43:50,604
derelict vessels and available.

1165
00:43:50,773 --> 00:43:54,373
Well roger that's that's not an

1166
00:43:54,910 --> 00:43:56,910
accurate statement. Since

1167
00:43:57,313 --> 00:43:59,715
you've got a drawing here with

1168
00:43:59,715 --> 00:44:02,115
195 mooring, you cannot say

1169
00:44:02,485 --> 00:44:04,186
that everybody is in favor of

1170
00:44:04,186 --> 00:44:06,256
keeping the basin open.

1171
00:44:06,256 --> 00:44:08,656
Somebody is working diligently

1172
00:44:08,991 --> 00:44:11,600
and incredibly detail and

1173
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,129
putting in dozens or hundreds

1174
00:44:13,129 --> 00:44:13,830
of hours to achieve achieve

1175
00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:15,364
this goal.

1176
00:44:15,364 --> 00:44:17,764
>> yeah. But the expressed

1177
00:44:17,767 --> 00:44:20,767
reason for that horrible thing

1178
00:44:21,537 --> 00:44:24,306
is to displace the illegally

1179
00:44:24,306 --> 00:44:25,842
anchored boats. I believe I

1180
00:44:25,842 --> 00:44:28,770
hear you and I understand. And

1181
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:30,146
I'm not going to question the

1182
00:44:30,146 --> 00:44:33,146
intention of whoever is behind

1183
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:37,187
this yet all I'm saying is the

1184
00:44:37,187 --> 00:44:39,880
the problem has been solved by

1185
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,157
enforcement. And by the way, if

1186
00:44:41,157 --> 00:44:42,859
you put a mooring field in

1187
00:44:42,859 --> 00:44:44,226
without enforcement guess what

1188
00:44:44,226 --> 00:44:46,626
happens? You get illegally

1189
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:50,660
anchored boats. Gary do you

1190
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:52,502
have any questions? Roger chris

1191
00:44:52,502 --> 00:44:54,902
norwood roger bernstein for

1192
00:44:55,572 --> 00:44:58,675
roger. Yeah, I do I not

1193
00:44:58,675 --> 00:45:00,743
necessarily from the gentleman

1194
00:45:00,743 --> 00:45:02,445
at the microphone but. Is your

1195
00:45:02,445 --> 00:45:04,880
microphone on? Oh I'm sorry.

1196
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,582
Yeah I do have some questions

1197
00:45:06,582 --> 00:45:09,319
but perhaps for the gentleman

1198
00:45:09,319 --> 00:45:10,720
but not necessarily um you

1199
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,255
mentioned before someone

1200
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:15,240
mentioned before that there has

1201
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,426
been a project that has uh not

1202
00:45:17,426 --> 00:45:19,295
gone before this board relating

1203
00:45:19,295 --> 00:45:21,364
to virginia key. What what is

1204
00:45:21,364 --> 00:45:22,731
that exactly? Is it is it the

1205
00:45:22,731 --> 00:45:24,800
the subject matter that we're

1206
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,502
talking about right now? Well,

1207
00:45:26,502 --> 00:45:28,571
essentially by charter and the

1208
00:45:28,571 --> 00:45:30,974
city attorney can opine more

1209
00:45:30,974 --> 00:45:33,430
accurately than I can but items

1210
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:35,278
that affect virginia key park

1211
00:45:35,278 --> 00:45:36,680
that are substantive and might

1212
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,380
be changing the park are

1213
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:41,117
supposed to come before this

1214
00:45:41,117 --> 00:45:42,152
board before moving on to the

1215
00:45:42,152 --> 00:45:44,530
city commission and we're

1216
00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:47,156
supposed to hear the items in

1217
00:45:47,156 --> 00:45:49,192
detail and vote. We can vote.

1218
00:45:49,192 --> 00:45:50,226
We only vote as

1219
00:45:50,226 --> 00:45:51,795
recommendations. We can vote

1220
00:45:51,795 --> 00:45:53,163
yes or no. It doesn't have to

1221
00:45:53,163 --> 00:45:54,363
have any impact whatsoever on

1222
00:45:54,363 --> 00:45:55,565
the city commission. No, I

1223
00:45:55,565 --> 00:45:57,134
understand that, MR. Chair. My

1224
00:45:57,134 --> 00:45:58,668
question was what has gone

1225
00:45:58,668 --> 00:45:59,869
before the city that has not

1226
00:45:59,869 --> 00:46:00,737
come before this board? What

1227
00:46:00,737 --> 00:46:02,772
exactly are we talking.

1228
00:46:02,772 --> 00:46:04,341
>> about this we did hear this

1229
00:46:04,341 --> 00:46:07,941
item as it pertained to request

1230
00:46:09,846 --> 00:46:11,380
for 50 more moving it up above

1231
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:12,582
50 to 75 which was occurred

1232
00:46:12,582 --> 00:46:14,116
during the course of a

1233
00:46:14,116 --> 00:46:16,186
commission. We haven't seen any

1234
00:46:16,186 --> 00:46:18,254
item or any information

1235
00:46:18,254 --> 00:46:20,654
whatsoever about the mooring

1236
00:46:21,358 --> 00:46:22,392
fields going up from 75 to 190

1237
00:46:22,392 --> 00:46:24,392
100 or 195..

1238
00:46:24,795 --> 00:46:26,496
>> got it. And then um I'm

1239
00:46:26,496 --> 00:46:28,231
hearing from some of the

1240
00:46:28,231 --> 00:46:30,300
members here some of the people

1241
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:31,835
from the public I I'm the

1242
00:46:31,835 --> 00:46:33,736
question just keeps popping in

1243
00:46:33,736 --> 00:46:34,938
my mind what is it that we're

1244
00:46:34,938 --> 00:46:35,972
trying to accomplish that can't

1245
00:46:35,972 --> 00:46:37,972
be accomplished through

1246
00:46:38,374 --> 00:46:40,760
enforcement? What exactly are

1247
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,978
we trying to accomplish with

1248
00:46:41,978 --> 00:46:43,680
the more info that cannot be

1249
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,680
accomplished with proper

1250
00:46:45,748 --> 00:46:48,148
enforcement under the current

1251
00:46:48,151 --> 00:46:49,886
policies or codes of the city?

1252
00:46:49,886 --> 00:46:51,954
Roger, do you want to answer

1253
00:46:51,954 --> 00:46:53,990
that? Well, I would like to

1254
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:55,725
know from the parks like or

1255
00:46:55,725 --> 00:46:57,793
dream what exactly are we

1256
00:46:57,793 --> 00:47:00,290
trying to do that cannot be

1257
00:47:00,290 --> 00:47:02,429
done by proper code

1258
00:47:04,835 --> 00:47:06,536
enforcement? So that's one of

1259
00:47:06,536 --> 00:47:07,604
the items that that we need to

1260
00:47:07,604 --> 00:47:08,972
circle back. So so obviously a

1261
00:47:08,972 --> 00:47:10,600
lot of the information that's

1262
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,208
presented to here is very

1263
00:47:11,208 --> 00:47:12,409
valuable. I don't want to give

1264
00:47:12,409 --> 00:47:14,110
an incomplete answer. So I want

1265
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:15,478
to circle back with staff and

1266
00:47:15,478 --> 00:47:17,214
in the OCTOBER presentation

1267
00:47:17,214 --> 00:47:18,749
that's obviously going to be

1268
00:47:18,749 --> 00:47:20,484
you know part and parcel of

1269
00:47:20,484 --> 00:47:22,180
what's presented to the group.

1270
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:23,920
>> thank you very much. And

1271
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,622
that that's going to be a big

1272
00:47:25,622 --> 00:47:27,357
question for me at that meeting

1273
00:47:27,357 --> 00:47:29,926
because I I really need to

1274
00:47:29,926 --> 00:47:31,294
understand, uh you know, what

1275
00:47:31,294 --> 00:47:33,196
is it that we're trying to do

1276
00:47:33,196 --> 00:47:34,564
that just simply cannot be done

1277
00:47:34,564 --> 00:47:36,964
through proper enforcement? And

1278
00:47:36,966 --> 00:47:39,369
then lastly, um, my last

1279
00:47:39,369 --> 00:47:42,969
question is, um, give me one

1280
00:47:45,575 --> 00:47:47,644
second the um. If and this is

1281
00:47:47,644 --> 00:47:50,714
actually to the question that I

1282
00:47:50,714 --> 00:47:54,517
had because as I read the the

1283
00:47:54,517 --> 00:47:56,219
code, you know, the in 50-2 it

1284
00:47:56,219 --> 00:47:58,988
talks about the marine stadium

1285
00:47:58,988 --> 00:48:01,388
prohibitive anchorage area and

1286
00:48:01,725 --> 00:48:03,920
so what additional regulatory

1287
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,162
authority does establishing a

1288
00:48:05,162 --> 00:48:06,530
permitted mooring field give us

1289
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:08,598
that we do not presently have?

1290
00:48:08,598 --> 00:48:10,133
And again I know that's going

1291
00:48:10,133 --> 00:48:11,368
to be a question I'm going to

1292
00:48:11,368 --> 00:48:13,570
ask in OCTOBER and I would

1293
00:48:13,570 --> 00:48:16,600
really like an answer, uh, to

1294
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,540
that to that question. And then

1295
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:19,276
this is someone who doesn't

1296
00:48:19,276 --> 00:48:20,443
know too much about rowing or

1297
00:48:20,443 --> 00:48:22,513
anything like that, but I'm

1298
00:48:22,513 --> 00:48:25,513
assuming the basin is important

1299
00:48:25,615 --> 00:48:27,517
again, I, I offer that clearly

1300
00:48:27,517 --> 00:48:28,718
I don't know a lot about rowing

1301
00:48:28,718 --> 00:48:30,421
and things of that nature, but

1302
00:48:30,421 --> 00:48:32,489
I'm assuming this is attractive

1303
00:48:32,489 --> 00:48:34,557
because it's calm water. Is

1304
00:48:34,557 --> 00:48:37,293
that why it's attractive to

1305
00:48:37,293 --> 00:48:38,862
boating and boats wanting the

1306
00:48:38,862 --> 00:48:40,931
more that and so on and so

1307
00:48:40,931 --> 00:48:43,331
forth. It's attractive because

1308
00:48:43,667 --> 00:48:47,267
it is protected on three sides

1309
00:48:48,805 --> 00:48:50,874
but it doesn't not have the

1310
00:48:50,874 --> 00:48:52,776
infrastructure that you would

1311
00:48:52,776 --> 00:48:54,477
want in a mooring field. In

1312
00:48:54,477 --> 00:48:57,581
other words, if I'm coming here

1313
00:48:57,581 --> 00:48:59,816
from connecticut on my 40 foot

1314
00:48:59,816 --> 00:49:02,919
sailboat and I want to come to

1315
00:49:02,919 --> 00:49:04,454
miami and spend 2 or 3 weeks

1316
00:49:04,454 --> 00:49:07,223
here getting my boat ready to

1317
00:49:07,223 --> 00:49:09,960
go to the bahamas, I want a

1318
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,630
place where I can safely attach

1319
00:49:13,630 --> 00:49:16,132
my boat which you can to a

1320
00:49:16,132 --> 00:49:19,132
mooring. I want ready access

1321
00:49:21,304 --> 00:49:23,704
to. Grocery stores, marine

1322
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,400
supply stores, parking

1323
00:49:27,144 --> 00:49:29,212
restaurants none of that exists

1324
00:49:29,212 --> 00:49:32,315
around the marine stadium. If I

1325
00:49:32,315 --> 00:49:34,170
put my boat there now I'm

1326
00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:35,919
taking taxis and ubers and

1327
00:49:35,919 --> 00:49:38,655
busses to get all this stuff.

1328
00:49:38,655 --> 00:49:41,570
If I put my boat in dinner key

1329
00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:43,827
in coconut grove, all of that

1330
00:49:43,827 --> 00:49:46,227
infrastructure is available and

1331
00:49:46,563 --> 00:49:49,563
my understanding is that there

1332
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:54,472
are unused mooring ball permits

1333
00:49:54,472 --> 00:49:57,241
for dinner key you could put

1334
00:49:57,241 --> 00:49:59,641
another 100 or 150 boats there

1335
00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:03,310
where they already have parking

1336
00:50:04,114 --> 00:50:06,514
showers, trash walking to

1337
00:50:07,184 --> 00:50:10,184
stores, marine stores there is

1338
00:50:10,287 --> 00:50:12,689
no need from a boating

1339
00:50:12,689 --> 00:50:15,910
community point of view to put

1340
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:17,161
this thing in the marine

1341
00:50:17,161 --> 00:50:19,229
stadium. I understand but I

1342
00:50:19,229 --> 00:50:21,298
guess my question was way more

1343
00:50:21,298 --> 00:50:23,000
basic than that. The reason why

1344
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,568
these boats want to go there is

1345
00:50:24,568 --> 00:50:26,436
because it's calm water. Yes,

1346
00:50:26,436 --> 00:50:28,338
and the reason why people row

1347
00:50:28,338 --> 00:50:30,407
and paddle and all these things

1348
00:50:30,407 --> 00:50:31,942
because it's very calm water is

1349
00:50:31,942 --> 00:50:33,310
that not duplicate is I guess

1350
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:35,450
it's not not necessarily

1351
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:38,450
duplicated in too many places.

1352
00:50:38,148 --> 00:50:39,850
No like that. There there are

1353
00:50:39,850 --> 00:50:41,418
plenty there are better places

1354
00:50:41,418 --> 00:50:41,952
to put a mooring field if you

1355
00:50:41,952 --> 00:50:43,153
want. I'm talking.

1356
00:50:43,153 --> 00:50:44,354
>> about one. I'm talking about

1357
00:50:44,354 --> 00:50:45,723
just why all people whether you

1358
00:50:45,723 --> 00:50:47,457
want to put a boat there,

1359
00:50:47,457 --> 00:50:49,326
whether you want a paddle boat,

1360
00:50:49,326 --> 00:50:50,694
whether you want a row I'm just

1361
00:50:50,694 --> 00:50:51,728
saying in general the reason

1362
00:50:51,728 --> 00:50:52,963
why we're having this

1363
00:50:52,963 --> 00:50:54,331
discussion is because you guys

1364
00:50:54,331 --> 00:50:55,699
like it to be there because

1365
00:50:55,699 --> 00:50:56,367
it's calm water and it's

1366
00:50:56,367 --> 00:50:57,401
attractive to what you're

1367
00:50:57,401 --> 00:50:58,602
doing. Yeah, but I'm saying

1368
00:50:58,602 --> 00:51:00,671
there are better places to put

1369
00:51:00,671 --> 00:51:02,740
a mooring field in the county

1370
00:51:02,740 --> 00:51:04,808
than the marine stadium. There

1371
00:51:04,808 --> 00:51:06,877
are not a whole lot of other

1372
00:51:06,877 --> 00:51:09,947
places where the water is calm

1373
00:51:09,947 --> 00:51:12,716
to row, to paddle, to swim and

1374
00:51:12,716 --> 00:51:15,619
to do water based activities.

1375
00:51:15,619 --> 00:51:17,354
Got it. So if you put 195

1376
00:51:17,354 --> 00:51:19,560
mooring in there, you

1377
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,791
basically kick the people out

1378
00:51:20,791 --> 00:51:23,791
who are doing passive water

1379
00:51:23,894 --> 00:51:26,294
sports. Mhm. Roger quick

1380
00:51:26,296 --> 00:51:28,365
question. There's rowing now at

1381
00:51:28,365 --> 00:51:30,401
the on indian creek at the

1382
00:51:30,401 --> 00:51:32,470
indian creek rowing club. Yes

1383
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:34,538
miami beach rowing club. Miami

1384
00:51:34,538 --> 00:51:37,475
beach rowing club yes. That's

1385
00:51:37,475 --> 00:51:41,245
uh what is it? 70s and 70s yes

1386
00:51:41,245 --> 00:51:43,648
on indian creek. What are the

1387
00:51:43,648 --> 00:51:45,716
complications or benefits and

1388
00:51:45,716 --> 00:51:47,785
problems with rowing and I know

1389
00:51:47,785 --> 00:51:49,820
a lot of college teams come

1390
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:52,255
down to florida and train there

1391
00:51:52,255 --> 00:51:54,658
during the year to prepare for

1392
00:51:54,658 --> 00:51:57,394
their spring season. But are

1393
00:51:57,394 --> 00:52:00,394
there problems um practicing on

1394
00:52:00,832 --> 00:52:02,566
indian creek hurdles from jet

1395
00:52:02,566 --> 00:52:05,303
skis and motorboats and. The

1396
00:52:05,303 --> 00:52:07,705
city of miami beach has

1397
00:52:07,705 --> 00:52:10,705
embraced the rowing club there

1398
00:52:11,142 --> 00:52:13,377
from the beginning and provided

1399
00:52:13,377 --> 00:52:15,777
space for it, provided

1400
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:17,780
enforcement provided

1401
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:20,840
facilities. Uh, that's not

1402
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,152
exactly the way things have

1403
00:52:22,152 --> 00:52:24,540
worked in the city of miami and

1404
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:26,790
miami rowing club is here to

1405
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:30,390
talk about that. But mrc is

1406
00:52:31,261 --> 00:52:34,261
operating without a lease. From

1407
00:52:35,733 --> 00:52:38,836
the city. Um do do the rowers

1408
00:52:38,836 --> 00:52:40,538
on indian creek have have to

1409
00:52:40,538 --> 00:52:42,773
stop a practices because

1410
00:52:42,773 --> 00:52:44,141
there's a bridge is down or a

1411
00:52:44,141 --> 00:52:46,541
bigger boat coming towards

1412
00:52:47,244 --> 00:52:50,244
them. They don't have problems

1413
00:52:51,715 --> 00:52:53,840
um. They don't have jet ski

1414
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,452
problems they don't have

1415
00:52:54,452 --> 00:52:55,853
speeding boat problems because

1416
00:52:55,853 --> 00:52:58,253
number one there's enforcement

1417
00:52:59,623 --> 00:53:02,360
and number two from what I

1418
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,595
understand of the setup there

1419
00:53:04,595 --> 00:53:06,330
they're not a lot of places or

1420
00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:07,865
any places nearby where you can

1421
00:53:07,865 --> 00:53:08,165
drop a boat into the water.

1422
00:53:08,165 --> 00:53:10,165
Okay.

1423
00:53:11,302 --> 00:53:14,572
>> so you can go to you can go

1424
00:53:14,572 --> 00:53:15,772
to virginia key, throw your jet

1425
00:53:15,772 --> 00:53:18,176
ski in the water and you're

1426
00:53:18,176 --> 00:53:20,577
off. So looking at your drawing

1427
00:53:20,577 --> 00:53:21,612
that you've provided of 100 is

1428
00:53:21,612 --> 00:53:23,612
this 195.

1429
00:53:24,382 --> 00:53:25,917
>> that's 195. Where'd you get

1430
00:53:25,917 --> 00:53:28,917
this drawing. From the that's

1431
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,890
the city plan. So if this was

1432
00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:35,890
executed and there were close

1433
00:53:35,526 --> 00:53:37,950
to 195 yachts or boats tied up,

1434
00:53:37,950 --> 00:53:39,831
what would that do to people

1435
00:53:39,831 --> 00:53:41,899
that wanted to row? It would be

1436
00:53:41,899 --> 00:53:45,499
over there would be no room

1437
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,636
there. Plus in that same basin

1438
00:53:50,508 --> 00:53:52,209
with the proposal for a new

1439
00:53:52,209 --> 00:53:54,609
lease on the rickenbacker

1440
00:53:54,979 --> 00:53:57,979
marina there would be what,

1441
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:59,783
another 600 boats that'll be

1442
00:53:59,783 --> 00:54:02,783
launched into that basin from

1443
00:54:03,888 --> 00:54:05,956
dry storage force force into a

1444
00:54:05,956 --> 00:54:07,859
little corridor on the south

1445
00:54:07,859 --> 00:54:10,594
side of the mooring field to

1446
00:54:10,594 --> 00:54:12,997
get in and out. Okay. Um leah

1447
00:54:12,997 --> 00:54:15,660
said you can't look at this

1448
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:17,135
proposal for mooring field

1449
00:54:17,135 --> 00:54:18,870
without looking at the

1450
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:20,571
seaquarium proposal without

1451
00:54:20,571 --> 00:54:22,973
looking at the marine stadium

1452
00:54:22,973 --> 00:54:25,744
proposal without looking at the

1453
00:54:25,744 --> 00:54:27,744
rickenbacker marina proposal.

1454
00:54:27,778 --> 00:54:30,181
Um, I noticed that our esteemed

1455
00:54:30,181 --> 00:54:32,581
board member steve steve

1456
00:54:33,985 --> 00:54:35,687
leibner is in the room. To my

1457
00:54:35,687 --> 00:54:37,255
right. Thank you so much peter.

1458
00:54:37,255 --> 00:54:39,290
I apologize for my tardiness.

1459
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:41,192
Tardiness? I was actually on a

1460
00:54:41,192 --> 00:54:42,393
trolley at 5:00 but the driver

1461
00:54:42,393 --> 00:54:45,162
decided to take a very long

1462
00:54:45,162 --> 00:54:48,232
break. Oh so so roger, I

1463
00:54:48,232 --> 00:54:49,634
appreciate all the all the

1464
00:54:49,634 --> 00:54:50,835
investigation and all the

1465
00:54:50,835 --> 00:54:53,710
information you provided for

1466
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:54,772
us. What I'm hearing is there

1467
00:54:54,772 --> 00:54:57,172
is absolutely no justification

1468
00:54:57,542 --> 00:54:59,578
for this mooring field and I

1469
00:54:59,578 --> 00:55:01,145
take it we don't have a quorum

1470
00:55:01,145 --> 00:55:03,714
tonight but I certainly would

1471
00:55:03,714 --> 00:55:05,784
support, uh, a resolution

1472
00:55:05,784 --> 00:55:07,485
opposing a mooring field in the

1473
00:55:07,485 --> 00:55:09,221
marine stadium basin. So I'm

1474
00:55:09,221 --> 00:55:11,621
waiting to hear justification

1475
00:55:11,623 --> 00:55:12,991
for mooring field of which I

1476
00:55:12,991 --> 00:55:15,991
haven't heard maybe in OCTOBER

1477
00:55:17,128 --> 00:55:19,364
I doubt it. Um that's my $0.02.

1478
00:55:19,364 --> 00:55:21,599
Thank you very much, board

1479
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,468
member. Could I just add to the

1480
00:55:23,468 --> 00:55:24,869
record that we do have a lease

1481
00:55:24,869 --> 00:55:26,571
agreement with the miami rowing

1482
00:55:26,571 --> 00:55:27,939
club? The city does have a

1483
00:55:27,939 --> 00:55:30,800
lease agreement with the miami

1484
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,800
rowing club. It's a license

1485
00:55:33,444 --> 00:55:35,680
agreement but it's yes. Peter

1486
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,714
if I MAY add have we have we

1487
00:55:36,714 --> 00:55:38,283
passed any resolutions

1488
00:55:38,283 --> 00:55:40,683
regarding the mooring field,

1489
00:55:41,352 --> 00:55:43,880
the marine stadium basin? No we

1490
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,123
haven't discussed the item. The

1491
00:55:45,123 --> 00:55:47,192
item hasn't been brought to us

1492
00:55:47,192 --> 00:55:50,792
by city staff and several years

1493
00:55:51,663 --> 00:55:53,397
we did get an a um some

1494
00:55:53,397 --> 00:55:56,134
information when it was headed

1495
00:55:56,134 --> 00:55:58,536
to the commission for 50 votes

1496
00:55:58,536 --> 00:56:01,536
a 5050 ball mooring field which

1497
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:03,708
got expanded to 75. Nobody as

1498
00:56:03,708 --> 00:56:04,909
far as I know nobody from the

1499
00:56:04,909 --> 00:56:07,645
administration has come back to

1500
00:56:07,645 --> 00:56:11,249
update us on the plans to go

1501
00:56:11,249 --> 00:56:14,249
from 75 to 195, which is shown

1502
00:56:16,254 --> 00:56:18,323
in this drawing. Thank you.

1503
00:56:18,323 --> 00:56:21,580
Thank you thank you very much

1504
00:56:21,580 --> 00:56:23,458
roger bernstein. MR. CHAIRMAN,

1505
00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:27,599
I want to I wanted to address

1506
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,300
the question of why the mooring

1507
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,702
field is so important to the

1508
00:56:31,702 --> 00:56:34,106
people that are in this room

1509
00:56:34,106 --> 00:56:36,875
and that is because of the the

1510
00:56:36,875 --> 00:56:40,475
use by human powered boats. All

1511
00:56:40,645 --> 00:56:43,415
of us are human powered and the

1512
00:56:43,415 --> 00:56:45,815
likelihood of tipping or

1513
00:56:45,817 --> 00:56:48,553
hooting as we would say in open

1514
00:56:48,553 --> 00:56:51,656
water is so much greater than

1515
00:56:51,656 --> 00:56:53,725
it is in the quiet, uh the

1516
00:56:53,725 --> 00:56:56,127
quiet gentle waters of the

1517
00:56:56,127 --> 00:56:59,397
basin. So the basin is the

1518
00:56:59,397 --> 00:57:01,990
favored place for rowers to

1519
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:02,834
learn how to row in their

1520
00:57:02,834 --> 00:57:04,536
shells and for paddlers and

1521
00:57:04,536 --> 00:57:06,270
we're all very specific about

1522
00:57:06,270 --> 00:57:08,840
that. Some of us are paddlers

1523
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,409
and some of us are rowers, but

1524
00:57:11,409 --> 00:57:13,312
it's a big deal for us to get

1525
00:57:13,312 --> 00:57:15,380
out in the open water of

1526
00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:16,915
biscayne bay. Now that's not

1527
00:57:16,915 --> 00:57:19,317
the case with the outriggers

1528
00:57:19,317 --> 00:57:21,719
the outrigger paddlers who are

1529
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,719
here tonight these are very

1530
00:57:25,524 --> 00:57:27,924
strong individuals who paddle

1531
00:57:28,594 --> 00:57:30,995
for miles and they use the

1532
00:57:30,995 --> 00:57:33,640
basin as their launching place.

1533
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,467
They cover a lot of territory

1534
00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:37,369
and they train in the basin and

1535
00:57:37,369 --> 00:57:39,104
there is no other place like

1536
00:57:39,104 --> 00:57:41,506
when you ask about other places

1537
00:57:41,506 --> 00:57:44,242
during covid we tried to use

1538
00:57:44,242 --> 00:57:45,977
the miami yacht club uh very

1539
00:57:45,977 --> 00:57:47,178
difficult. We could not get

1540
00:57:47,178 --> 00:57:49,214
boats there. There's very

1541
00:57:49,214 --> 00:57:52,214
limited space for sharing but

1542
00:57:52,317 --> 00:57:55,917
we had to alter our schedule.

1543
00:57:56,121 --> 00:57:58,156
Um it it was not ideal at all.

1544
00:57:58,156 --> 00:57:59,891
Sometimes we've gone up to

1545
00:57:59,891 --> 00:58:02,891
broward county and we actually

1546
00:58:02,994 --> 00:58:05,397
have people who um in our team

1547
00:58:05,397 --> 00:58:07,799
in the sos team we have people

1548
00:58:07,799 --> 00:58:10,902
from the keys and people from

1549
00:58:10,902 --> 00:58:13,638
broward county who come and so

1550
00:58:13,638 --> 00:58:16,375
virginia key serves as a great

1551
00:58:16,375 --> 00:58:18,810
meeting place for such a wide

1552
00:58:18,810 --> 00:58:20,110
audience of paddlers. So and I

1553
00:58:20,110 --> 00:58:21,379
don't want to take any more

1554
00:58:21,379 --> 00:58:23,810
time because I know all these

1555
00:58:23,810 --> 00:58:24,816
people are trying to burst

1556
00:58:24,816 --> 00:58:25,684
their bursting their themes and

1557
00:58:25,684 --> 00:58:27,386
[Laughter] Talking about why

1558
00:58:27,386 --> 00:58:29,788
the basin is important. Who who

1559
00:58:29,788 --> 00:58:32,557
else wants to talk? You do a

1560
00:58:32,557 --> 00:58:34,426
great fantastic job. Leah chair

1561
00:58:34,426 --> 00:58:36,161
I just have a question. Yes.

1562
00:58:36,161 --> 00:58:38,397
>> chris norwood. Uh, the

1563
00:58:38,397 --> 00:58:39,764
people here, uh, just to talk

1564
00:58:39,764 --> 00:58:41,133
about the basin are some of the

1565
00:58:41,133 --> 00:58:42,868
other items that we have on the

1566
00:58:42,868 --> 00:58:44,235
agenda. That's a that's a good

1567
00:58:44,235 --> 00:58:45,937
question is is everybody

1568
00:58:45,937 --> 00:58:47,505
there's a few people in the

1569
00:58:47,505 --> 00:58:48,707
room that that would like to

1570
00:58:48,707 --> 00:58:49,908
talk about other items. So

1571
00:58:49,908 --> 00:58:51,276
we'll we'll finish up with this

1572
00:58:51,276 --> 00:58:52,644
item soon and we'll move to

1573
00:58:52,644 --> 00:58:54,713
finish up the other items.

1574
00:58:54,713 --> 00:58:56,448
Peter just to let you know also

1575
00:58:56,448 --> 00:58:58,150
you requested that the miami

1576
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:59,351
rowing center have a

1577
00:58:59,351 --> 00:59:00,919
representative to provide an

1578
00:59:00,919 --> 00:59:02,621
update on their activities and

1579
00:59:02,621 --> 00:59:04,690
since that is here. Wonderful

1580
00:59:04,690 --> 00:59:07,426
and we'd love to hear from that

1581
00:59:07,426 --> 00:59:08,627
person. Good evening. I don't

1582
00:59:08,627 --> 00:59:10,528
mean to interrupt you because

1583
00:59:10,528 --> 00:59:12,597
it's just a I'm just trying to

1584
00:59:12,597 --> 00:59:15,000
understand how we function. Um

1585
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,702
we take items and have public

1586
00:59:16,702 --> 00:59:18,103
comment after each item. Is

1587
00:59:18,103 --> 00:59:18,370
that how this board functions?

1588
00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:19,471
Yes.

1589
00:59:19,471 --> 00:59:20,506
>> normally there's a

1590
00:59:20,506 --> 00:59:22,410
presentation from the

1591
00:59:22,410 --> 00:59:23,775
administration and then we hear

1592
00:59:23,775 --> 00:59:26,775
from the public afterwards. For

1593
00:59:26,845 --> 00:59:29,247
every item. So so we have a

1594
00:59:29,247 --> 00:59:31,149
presentation a discussion and

1595
00:59:31,149 --> 00:59:33,218
then public comment and then

1596
00:59:33,218 --> 00:59:35,287
the next item presentation

1597
00:59:35,287 --> 00:59:37,322
discussion and public. Yes but

1598
00:59:37,322 --> 00:59:39,224
often in our meetings we only

1599
00:59:39,224 --> 00:59:41,293
have 3 or 4 people in the room

1600
00:59:41,293 --> 00:59:43,280
from the public. Tonight is one

1601
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,897
of the largest gatherings of

1602
00:59:44,897 --> 00:59:47,132
the public that I've ever seen.

1603
00:59:47,132 --> 00:59:49,902
Got it. I'm sorry sir. Sure.

1604
00:59:49,902 --> 00:59:52,902
>> thank you. Good evening. I'm

1605
00:59:52,971 --> 00:59:54,706
leonard levy. Uh, I'm a

1606
00:59:54,706 --> 00:59:56,408
lifelong resident of south

1607
00:59:56,408 --> 00:59:58,810
florida, having grown up in

1608
00:59:58,810 --> 01:00:00,546
south beach living in key

1609
01:00:00,546 --> 01:00:02,615
biscayne, active in all kinds

1610
01:00:02,615 --> 01:00:04,316
of paddling and boating

1611
01:00:04,316 --> 01:00:06,716
activities. I've been boating

1612
01:00:07,753 --> 01:00:10,753
in these waters since I'm 14

1613
01:00:12,591 --> 01:00:15,327
and 15 years old. I remember

1614
01:00:15,327 --> 01:00:17,396
the miami marine stadium

1615
01:00:17,396 --> 01:00:20,132
activities in the 60s. They

1616
01:00:20,132 --> 01:00:22,201
were just fantastic the

1617
01:00:22,201 --> 01:00:25,201
concerts, the activities we had

1618
01:00:26,338 --> 01:00:28,400
on the barge it was wonderful.

1619
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,400
One thing we're not talking

1620
01:00:31,476 --> 01:00:34,913
about here is the ecology and

1621
01:00:34,913 --> 01:00:37,913
the effect of these mooring

1622
01:00:38,684 --> 01:00:42,284
fields on marine life in those

1623
01:00:42,988 --> 01:00:44,723
waters. This was addressed I

1624
01:00:44,723 --> 01:00:46,792
think we had meetings about 7

1625
01:00:46,792 --> 01:00:49,792
or 8 years ago in which

1626
01:00:50,228 --> 01:00:52,631
somebody went to the extent of

1627
01:00:52,631 --> 01:00:54,700
having a scuba diver going

1628
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:57,103
through the waters of the

1629
01:00:57,103 --> 01:00:59,503
marine stadium, taking videos

1630
01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:02,942
of the marine life and there

1631
01:01:02,942 --> 01:01:06,542
was shown to be active marine

1632
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:10,646
life all kinds of fish, crabs,

1633
01:01:13,252 --> 01:01:16,852
all kinds of fish. We enjoyed

1634
01:01:17,723 --> 01:01:20,723
seeing the beauty of tarpon,

1635
01:01:23,896 --> 01:01:25,896
manatees, dolphin, even

1636
01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:29,680
crocodiles in our waters. It's

1637
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,136
fantastic. It's beautiful to

1638
01:01:31,136 --> 01:01:34,136
see. It's wonderful to have

1639
01:01:34,573 --> 01:01:37,643
this. How durham would ever let

1640
01:01:37,643 --> 01:01:40,413
this happen is beyond me.

1641
01:01:40,413 --> 01:01:43,149
Durham is there to protect

1642
01:01:43,149 --> 01:01:45,217
marine life. You know we have

1643
01:01:45,217 --> 01:01:46,952
so many condos going up along

1644
01:01:46,952 --> 01:01:49,352
brickell avenue and downtown

1645
01:01:49,688 --> 01:01:52,880
miami, edgewater everywhere all

1646
01:01:53,125 --> 01:01:55,528
these places want a marina, a

1647
01:01:55,528 --> 01:01:57,596
dock space for boats to make

1648
01:01:57,596 --> 01:01:59,596
their developments more

1649
01:01:59,998 --> 01:02:02,670
attractive to people. Durham

1650
01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:03,602
has been tough on those people.

1651
01:02:03,602 --> 01:02:05,671
they're not letting them have

1652
01:02:05,671 --> 01:02:08,671
those marinas. How could they

1653
01:02:09,108 --> 01:02:11,177
let this happen really a

1654
01:02:11,177 --> 01:02:14,177
density that we're seeing of

1655
01:02:15,281 --> 01:02:17,681
all these 195 mooring fields

1656
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:20,453
with the boats, those are

1657
01:02:20,453 --> 01:02:22,355
casting great shadows over the

1658
01:02:22,355 --> 01:02:23,722
bottom of the water. These are

1659
01:02:23,722 --> 01:02:26,122
shallow waters. It would

1660
01:02:26,125 --> 01:02:27,826
destroy the seagrass. You

1661
01:02:27,826 --> 01:02:29,562
destroy the seagrass. You don't

1662
01:02:29,562 --> 01:02:31,630
have the crabs. You don't have

1663
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:34,534
the fish to for the other fish

1664
01:02:34,534 --> 01:02:38,671
to want to come in and feed it

1665
01:02:38,671 --> 01:02:40,406
would be a disaster. So you

1666
01:02:40,406 --> 01:02:41,941
know to preserve and I think

1667
01:02:41,941 --> 01:02:44,941
that this is not just

1668
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,780
applicable this argument to the

1669
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:50,780
marine stadium, but I'm sure

1670
01:02:50,883 --> 01:02:52,251
that you have the bailiwick of

1671
01:02:52,251 --> 01:02:54,651
considering what's going on

1672
01:02:54,654 --> 01:02:57,389
with some other projects in our

1673
01:02:57,389 --> 01:03:00,389
waters like buy this aquarium

1674
01:03:00,693 --> 01:03:03,620
and whatever nearby this is all

1675
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:05,131
going to be affected. The

1676
01:03:05,131 --> 01:03:06,699
waters are not the same as what

1677
01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:09,101
they used to be. Believe me,

1678
01:03:09,101 --> 01:03:12,172
you talk to any old person who

1679
01:03:12,172 --> 01:03:14,940
grew up in miami out in the bay

1680
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:17,340
catching grouper, catching you

1681
01:03:17,343 --> 01:03:19,579
know, diving for lobster. You

1682
01:03:19,579 --> 01:03:21,113
can't do that anymore. You know

1683
01:03:21,113 --> 01:03:22,515
it's just too much boat

1684
01:03:22,515 --> 01:03:24,751
traffic, cruise ships, all

1685
01:03:24,751 --> 01:03:26,986
kinds of stuff. We have to sort

1686
01:03:26,986 --> 01:03:29,721
of put the brakes on it at some

1687
01:03:29,721 --> 01:03:32,721
point. Thank you. Thank you

1688
01:03:34,861 --> 01:03:36,762
sir. We have a speaker with a

1689
01:03:36,762 --> 01:03:39,699
colorful shirt on. Yes thank

1690
01:03:39,699 --> 01:03:41,734
you. My name is balazs vandor

1691
01:03:41,734 --> 01:03:43,636
uh, resident of the city of

1692
01:03:43,636 --> 01:03:45,705
miami for about 15 years now.

1693
01:03:45,705 --> 01:03:47,773
Uh, I've been paddling at the

1694
01:03:47,773 --> 01:03:49,641
at mrc for about 20 years

1695
01:03:49,641 --> 01:03:51,210
before I you know, I was coming

1696
01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:53,279
down from broward, you know,

1697
01:03:53,279 --> 01:03:55,314
before I moved to miami. Uh,

1698
01:03:55,314 --> 01:03:57,750
you know, it's such an

1699
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:59,785
important, uh, place for

1700
01:03:59,785 --> 01:04:02,188
paddling and rowing in south

1701
01:04:02,188 --> 01:04:04,790
florida. Uh, just one quick

1702
01:04:04,790 --> 01:04:06,826
comment, uh, additional answer

1703
01:04:06,826 --> 01:04:08,610
to the question of why this is

1704
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:09,596
so important, you know, for

1705
01:04:09,596 --> 01:04:10,963
paddling. Yes, it is a

1706
01:04:10,963 --> 01:04:12,365
protected area and why a

1707
01:04:12,365 --> 01:04:14,670
protected area is important is

1708
01:04:14,670 --> 01:04:15,601
because these are racing teams

1709
01:04:15,601 --> 01:04:17,504
competitive teams. So it's not

1710
01:04:17,504 --> 01:04:18,871
like oh let's go out for a

1711
01:04:18,871 --> 01:04:20,606
sunday evening paddle. No I

1712
01:04:20,606 --> 01:04:22,675
mean there's a coach this

1713
01:04:22,675 --> 01:04:23,676
practice plans that need to be

1714
01:04:23,676 --> 01:04:25,412
followed without interruption.

1715
01:04:25,412 --> 01:04:26,613
You can't just stop for

1716
01:04:26,613 --> 01:04:27,981
somebody doing it or a couple

1717
01:04:27,981 --> 01:04:29,516
of dinghies to cross your path

1718
01:04:29,516 --> 01:04:31,417
and you know, wait on your

1719
01:04:31,417 --> 01:04:32,985
recipes. No, I mean these these

1720
01:04:32,985 --> 01:04:35,210
these are serious teams as leah

1721
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:36,756
was saying, you know her uh,

1722
01:04:36,756 --> 01:04:38,124
cancer survivor team that my

1723
01:04:38,124 --> 01:04:39,325
wife is also a member of you

1724
01:04:39,325 --> 01:04:40,893
know, they are in france right

1725
01:04:40,893 --> 01:04:42,762
now competing. You know, my

1726
01:04:42,762 --> 01:04:44,497
team also goes and competes. So

1727
01:04:44,497 --> 01:04:46,733
that's why it's very important

1728
01:04:46,733 --> 01:04:48,434
to have, you know, a large flat

1729
01:04:48,434 --> 01:04:50,836
body of water that's available

1730
01:04:50,836 --> 01:04:52,739
for these sports. The you know,

1731
01:04:52,739 --> 01:04:54,106
my other comment is that you

1732
01:04:54,106 --> 01:04:55,474
know, if you want to see what

1733
01:04:55,474 --> 01:04:57,430
this really means, just come

1734
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:58,244
out to mrc on a saturday

1735
01:04:58,244 --> 01:04:59,612
morning, you know, see the

1736
01:04:59,612 --> 01:05:01,348
number of people you know, the

1737
01:05:01,348 --> 01:05:02,715
number of teams and what you

1738
01:05:02,715 --> 01:05:04,417
will see is just a fraction. I

1739
01:05:04,417 --> 01:05:06,819
mean my team has probably about

1740
01:05:06,819 --> 01:05:08,388
80 members probably 30 or 40

1741
01:05:08,388 --> 01:05:09,923
will come out for us today

1742
01:05:09,923 --> 01:05:11,290
morning practice. But there's a

1743
01:05:11,290 --> 01:05:12,691
lot you know it's not always

1744
01:05:12,691 --> 01:05:14,600
the same people. It's a lot of

1745
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:15,595
people who are connected to

1746
01:05:15,595 --> 01:05:17,497
this space in spite of the fact

1747
01:05:17,497 --> 01:05:19,310
this is a very limited space. I

1748
01:05:19,310 --> 01:05:20,934
mean there could be a lot more

1749
01:05:20,934 --> 01:05:23,836
rowing, a lot more paddling in

1750
01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:25,204
miami if we had the space. But

1751
01:05:25,204 --> 01:05:26,773
you know, that is just you

1752
01:05:26,773 --> 01:05:28,307
know, the facilities are very

1753
01:05:28,307 --> 01:05:30,376
limited. I like to give the

1754
01:05:30,376 --> 01:05:33,479
example you know andre is from

1755
01:05:33,479 --> 01:05:35,348
brazil. Outrigger paddling for

1756
01:05:35,348 --> 01:05:37,250
example started in miami in the

1757
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:40,250
early 2000. My team was founded

1758
01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:42,756
around 2003 in brazil in rio

1759
01:05:42,756 --> 01:05:44,990
started around the same time

1760
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:47,590
after 23 years in miami. Now

1761
01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:50,590
there is two teams for

1762
01:05:52,198 --> 01:05:55,198
outrigger paddling in rio about

1763
01:05:55,635 --> 01:05:57,704
4087 teams in rio they they

1764
01:05:57,704 --> 01:05:59,438
organize world championships

1765
01:05:59,438 --> 01:06:01,841
thousands of visitors coming in

1766
01:06:01,841 --> 01:06:03,876
for that impossible in miami.

1767
01:06:03,876 --> 01:06:05,945
So thank you thank you very

1768
01:06:05,945 --> 01:06:06,813
much. Okay and do we have a

1769
01:06:06,813 --> 01:06:09,213
representative here from the

1770
01:06:09,749 --> 01:06:12,749
miami rowing club? Would you

1771
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:16,619
would you like to speak. We'd

1772
01:06:18,659 --> 01:06:20,393
love to hear from you. And we

1773
01:06:20,393 --> 01:06:23,129
notice we're we are provided

1774
01:06:23,129 --> 01:06:25,564
with a I think a six page six

1775
01:06:25,564 --> 01:06:27,967
page summary from the miami

1776
01:06:27,967 --> 01:06:29,669
rowing club. Thank you very

1777
01:06:29,669 --> 01:06:31,738
much for putting this together

1778
01:06:31,738 --> 01:06:35,841
for for our board and we'd love

1779
01:06:35,841 --> 01:06:39,441
to hear your comments on your

1780
01:06:42,215 --> 01:06:44,215
activities. Hi.

1781
01:06:44,284 --> 01:06:45,818
>> good evening. My name is

1782
01:06:45,818 --> 01:06:47,187
cesar herrera. I am the head

1783
01:06:47,187 --> 01:06:49,587
coach and operations director

1784
01:06:50,991 --> 01:06:52,892
in miami rowing center. So in

1785
01:06:52,892 --> 01:06:55,295
this moment we have a lease

1786
01:06:55,295 --> 01:06:57,695
agreement with this regulation

1787
01:06:58,365 --> 01:07:00,433
that uh we are running several

1788
01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:02,503
programs under the umbrella of

1789
01:07:02,503 --> 01:07:04,203
miami rowing club, the

1790
01:07:04,203 --> 01:07:05,272
principal program or one of the

1791
01:07:05,272 --> 01:07:07,140
principal program is the youth

1792
01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:09,876
program. We have a program that

1793
01:07:09,876 --> 01:07:11,778
we have been the in the in the

1794
01:07:11,778 --> 01:07:14,778
same place for more than 50

1795
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,117
years. Uh, I wonder you know

1796
01:07:17,117 --> 01:07:18,818
that in this moment the the

1797
01:07:18,818 --> 01:07:20,220
youth program in miami rowing

1798
01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:21,921
club is the most important

1799
01:07:21,921 --> 01:07:24,157
program that we have in the

1800
01:07:24,157 --> 01:07:28,940
country and they are in the top

1801
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:29,829
in the in the state. Uh, at the

1802
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:31,531
same time we have different

1803
01:07:31,531 --> 01:07:33,266
programs that they are under

1804
01:07:33,266 --> 01:07:36,266
the umbrella of miami rowing

1805
01:07:36,536 --> 01:07:39,106
club. We have several programs

1806
01:07:39,106 --> 01:07:41,174
of the dragon boat and other

1807
01:07:41,174 --> 01:07:43,574
paddle program program that

1808
01:07:43,577 --> 01:07:45,645
also we have in this moment

1809
01:07:45,645 --> 01:07:49,245
also we have one small youth

1810
01:07:50,117 --> 01:07:52,185
sailing program. Um that that's

1811
01:07:52,185 --> 01:07:54,585
that's our principal activity

1812
01:07:55,455 --> 01:07:57,491
in miami rowing club. I wonder

1813
01:07:57,491 --> 01:08:00,927
you know that also during the

1814
01:08:00,927 --> 01:08:02,829
last uh I am talking about the

1815
01:08:02,829 --> 01:08:05,399
last 20 years that I have been

1816
01:08:05,399 --> 01:08:08,502
working there, you know, so uh,

1817
01:08:08,502 --> 01:08:10,203
the program has been winning

1818
01:08:10,203 --> 01:08:11,938
more than 17 state

1819
01:08:11,938 --> 01:08:13,938
championships, the youth

1820
01:08:14,341 --> 01:08:16,410
program we have been that they

1821
01:08:16,410 --> 01:08:18,111
have participated in the usa

1822
01:08:18,111 --> 01:08:20,511
national team in different

1823
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,880
category of the 23 on the 19

1824
01:08:25,351 --> 01:08:27,754
and also we have the master

1825
01:08:27,754 --> 01:08:30,491
program that they we have a

1826
01:08:30,491 --> 01:08:31,191
group of members that they

1827
01:08:31,191 --> 01:08:32,392
have. They are training

1828
01:08:32,392 --> 01:08:35,392
consistently all the time in

1829
01:08:36,162 --> 01:08:38,598
the [Laughter] In mrc really

1830
01:08:38,598 --> 01:08:40,300
the the beautiful place that we

1831
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:41,501
have in the basin and

1832
01:08:41,501 --> 01:08:43,901
supporting the everything that

1833
01:08:44,238 --> 01:08:47,838
we have been talking here. So

1834
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:49,910
the miami the in this moment

1835
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:51,478
that we have is a beautiful

1836
01:08:51,478 --> 01:08:53,346
place and the only place in

1837
01:08:53,346 --> 01:08:56,946
miami that we have to running

1838
01:08:57,150 --> 01:09:00,750
our program. Um really I we

1839
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,156
have been the support I want to

1840
01:09:03,156 --> 01:09:04,524
to say that one I have I have

1841
01:09:04,524 --> 01:09:06,927
been receiving the support of

1842
01:09:06,927 --> 01:09:08,996
the miami police and the marine

1843
01:09:08,996 --> 01:09:11,996
patrol from the miami city

1844
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:15,202
miami and really the last year

1845
01:09:15,202 --> 01:09:17,938
and a half they they were

1846
01:09:17,938 --> 01:09:20,938
measured the vaccine has been

1847
01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:25,309
safe for the first time really

1848
01:09:25,512 --> 01:09:28,415
in the past. We have one coach

1849
01:09:28,415 --> 01:09:31,184
that that she is a woman that

1850
01:09:31,184 --> 01:09:33,921
she was in reach of the half a

1851
01:09:33,921 --> 01:09:36,323
serious injury of maybe losing

1852
01:09:36,323 --> 01:09:38,725
her life because we have five

1853
01:09:38,725 --> 01:09:41,725
jetski running around her for

1854
01:09:42,696 --> 01:09:44,598
more than ten minutes and in

1855
01:09:44,598 --> 01:09:47,333
one moment also one guy he

1856
01:09:47,333 --> 01:09:49,690
showed me one agung uh we have

1857
01:09:49,690 --> 01:09:51,438
in this moment one coach that

1858
01:09:51,438 --> 01:09:53,873
is still in court because for

1859
01:09:53,873 --> 01:09:57,473
one situation that we have with

1860
01:09:58,345 --> 01:10:01,810
the uh with one uh girls boat

1861
01:10:01,810 --> 01:10:03,150
and he was in the front of

1862
01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:05,886
between the the girls and the

1863
01:10:05,886 --> 01:10:08,288
guy that was in the boat drunk

1864
01:10:08,288 --> 01:10:09,856
and we I call the police in

1865
01:10:09,856 --> 01:10:11,225
that moment the police arrived

1866
01:10:11,225 --> 01:10:13,625
immediately and they stopped

1867
01:10:14,328 --> 01:10:17,640
the situation this guy was in

1868
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,167
jail was under arrest and this

1869
01:10:20,167 --> 01:10:23,270
coach is in still in the court.

1870
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:26,340
But really I wonder you know

1871
01:10:26,340 --> 01:10:28,743
that in this moment the the

1872
01:10:28,743 --> 01:10:31,743
most important activity that we

1873
01:10:32,179 --> 01:10:34,248
have in the in the mrc uh are

1874
01:10:34,248 --> 01:10:36,483
all the partners that we have

1875
01:10:36,483 --> 01:10:37,684
we have today that we have more

1876
01:10:37,684 --> 01:10:39,920
than 300 people at the same

1877
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,322
time on the water the day that

1878
01:10:42,322 --> 01:10:44,391
we have more traffic is

1879
01:10:44,391 --> 01:10:46,961
saturday and sunday that also

1880
01:10:46,961 --> 01:10:50,630
we use our flow in the in the

1881
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:52,132
flexi park sometime during the

1882
01:10:52,132 --> 01:10:53,501
week that according to the

1883
01:10:53,501 --> 01:10:55,569
schedule that they have the

1884
01:10:55,569 --> 01:10:58,569
different dragon boat. Uh also

1885
01:10:58,672 --> 01:11:00,708
we have more people in traffic

1886
01:11:00,708 --> 01:11:03,708
around the the area. MR..

1887
01:11:04,845 --> 01:11:06,580
>> MR. Herrera um, I don't know

1888
01:11:06,580 --> 01:11:09,580
if you've seen this drawing

1889
01:11:09,650 --> 01:11:11,718
with 195 mooring in the

1890
01:11:11,718 --> 01:11:14,118
historic marine stadium basin,

1891
01:11:14,121 --> 01:11:16,190
but what would this do to the

1892
01:11:16,190 --> 01:11:18,259
ability of paddlers and rowers

1893
01:11:18,259 --> 01:11:20,828
or anybody that wants to use

1894
01:11:20,828 --> 01:11:23,230
the basin if there are 195

1895
01:11:23,230 --> 01:11:24,965
yachts and boats. This

1896
01:11:24,965 --> 01:11:27,000
situation with the mooring

1897
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,471
field is nothing new that is

1898
01:11:30,471 --> 01:11:32,873
coming for a while and you have

1899
01:11:32,873 --> 01:11:35,609
some information that I know

1900
01:11:35,609 --> 01:11:38,609
that this is coming from 2017

1901
01:11:40,810 --> 01:11:41,815
or before that a year the

1902
01:11:41,815 --> 01:11:43,851
mooring field was a solution

1903
01:11:43,851 --> 01:11:46,870
that the city was giving us to

1904
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:48,489
try to keep safe the the the

1905
01:11:48,489 --> 01:11:50,557
basin and all the problem that

1906
01:11:50,557 --> 01:11:52,292
we have really that's what the

1907
01:11:52,292 --> 01:11:54,695
principal goal in that moment

1908
01:11:54,695 --> 01:11:57,431
many years ago I was part of

1909
01:11:57,431 --> 01:11:59,833
that conversation with the um

1910
01:11:59,833 --> 01:12:01,235
in that moment with the

1911
01:12:01,235 --> 01:12:02,770
director of the department and

1912
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:04,305
and other people that were

1913
01:12:04,305 --> 01:12:07,905
involved in this, uh, in this

1914
01:12:08,109 --> 01:12:11,379
job, uh, that was here also he

1915
01:12:11,379 --> 01:12:15,483
was in this, uh, in this group.

1916
01:12:15,483 --> 01:12:19,830
Um, we found in that moment

1917
01:12:20,654 --> 01:12:22,523
like the principal solution for

1918
01:12:22,523 --> 01:12:25,626
for the situation that we have

1919
01:12:25,626 --> 01:12:27,694
in the basin for the for the on

1920
01:12:27,694 --> 01:12:29,763
board and all and everything

1921
01:12:29,763 --> 01:12:33,200
that you know that we have in

1922
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,937
the, in the past, uh, we have

1923
01:12:35,937 --> 01:12:37,671
been several meetings. Um

1924
01:12:37,671 --> 01:12:39,373
facundo is the board PRESIDENT.

1925
01:12:39,373 --> 01:12:41,775
We have been several meetings

1926
01:12:41,775 --> 01:12:44,775
with with the city, uh,

1927
01:12:44,879 --> 01:12:46,947
including the uh, the the

1928
01:12:46,947 --> 01:12:48,315
commissioner of the district

1929
01:12:48,315 --> 01:12:50,170
about [Applause] This situation

1930
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:52,850
with the mooring field and

1931
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:53,487
really what we needed to

1932
01:12:53,487 --> 01:12:55,887
continue running the program

1933
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:57,591
because we need to be sure that

1934
01:12:57,591 --> 01:12:59,327
we can continue running our

1935
01:12:59,327 --> 01:13:01,895
program because. Well, this is

1936
01:13:01,895 --> 01:13:03,431
this is 195. That is.

1937
01:13:03,431 --> 01:13:05,165
>> what would what would that

1938
01:13:05,165 --> 01:13:07,568
do to your programing your

1939
01:13:07,568 --> 01:13:09,103
ability of people to use the

1940
01:13:09,103 --> 01:13:12,103
basin? The problem that the

1941
01:13:14,275 --> 01:13:16,675
combination field. Yeah. So

1942
01:13:17,378 --> 01:13:18,746
this I'm. Facundo barrera I'm a

1943
01:13:18,746 --> 01:13:19,780
PRESIDENT Of the miami rowing

1944
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:22,183
club PRESIDENT Of the board. I

1945
01:13:22,183 --> 01:13:23,884
work with cesar every day. So

1946
01:13:23,884 --> 01:13:26,284
we've been in conversations

1947
01:13:27,321 --> 01:13:28,723
with uh city staff in

1948
01:13:28,723 --> 01:13:30,758
preparation for a previous

1949
01:13:30,758 --> 01:13:32,493
version not this exact version

1950
01:13:32,493 --> 01:13:34,895
the previous version of the

1951
01:13:34,895 --> 01:13:37,298
mooring field. We gave some

1952
01:13:37,298 --> 01:13:39,367
feedback to the city staff of

1953
01:13:39,367 --> 01:13:41,436
how the mooring field would

1954
01:13:41,436 --> 01:13:44,172
have to be adapted for us to be

1955
01:13:44,172 --> 01:13:47,772
able to operate if a mooring

1956
01:13:48,309 --> 01:13:49,677
field with 195 boys and 195

1957
01:13:49,677 --> 01:13:51,245
boats is established in the

1958
01:13:51,245 --> 01:13:53,814
basin, we will not be able to

1959
01:13:53,814 --> 01:13:55,516
operate. That is very clear now

1960
01:13:55,516 --> 01:13:57,251
we've also been assured that

1961
01:13:57,251 --> 01:13:59,653
it's. Do you mind repeating

1962
01:13:59,653 --> 01:14:03,910
that? I will repeat it but I

1963
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:05,827
will repeat it for 195 mooring

1964
01:14:05,827 --> 01:14:07,895
fields with 195 yachts would

1965
01:14:07,895 --> 01:14:09,964
not let us operate. However I

1966
01:14:09,964 --> 01:14:12,366
need to finish the sentence the

1967
01:14:12,366 --> 01:14:15,966
city has promised us that there

1968
01:14:16,504 --> 01:14:19,240
will be not 195 yachts nor 195

1969
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,976
more that there will be 195

1970
01:14:21,976 --> 01:14:24,378
anchors only. So if it's only

1971
01:14:24,378 --> 01:14:27,378
anchors we can operate above

1972
01:14:28,183 --> 01:14:30,418
the anchors. That's all. So and

1973
01:14:30,418 --> 01:14:32,654
what we gave the feedback on is

1974
01:14:32,654 --> 01:14:34,210
we need whatever the number of

1975
01:14:34,210 --> 01:14:36,421
anchors anchors don't interfere

1976
01:14:37,459 --> 01:14:38,659
with our rowing. What

1977
01:14:38,659 --> 01:14:40,729
interferes with our rowing is

1978
01:14:40,729 --> 01:14:44,329
the number of mooring boats and

1979
01:14:44,499 --> 01:14:48,990
yachts. So please keep in mind

1980
01:14:48,970 --> 01:14:51,390
if the plan is to put in 195

1981
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:54,390
anchors, there is no problem

1982
01:14:54,476 --> 01:14:57,212
with us for operating if their

1983
01:14:57,212 --> 01:15:00,212
plan is to putting 195 mooring

1984
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,160
and 195 yachts yes there is

1985
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:05,486
okay. Thank you. Anybody any

1986
01:15:05,486 --> 01:15:07,886
board members have any

1987
01:15:08,222 --> 01:15:10,292
questions? Steven I'd like to

1988
01:15:10,292 --> 01:15:11,993
know what what damage 195

1989
01:15:11,993 --> 01:15:13,728
anchors are going to do to the

1990
01:15:13,728 --> 01:15:15,630
floor of the basin. So we might

1991
01:15:15,630 --> 01:15:18,300
need a representative from

1992
01:15:19,734 --> 01:15:22,837
durham to help us with that.

1993
01:15:22,837 --> 01:15:24,539
This item will be heard again

1994
01:15:24,539 --> 01:15:26,941
in two months. So maybe

1995
01:15:26,941 --> 01:15:28,510
somebody from durham can

1996
01:15:28,510 --> 01:15:30,579
request somebody from durham to

1997
01:15:30,579 --> 01:15:32,446
show up any other any other

1998
01:15:32,446 --> 01:15:34,348
anybody else like to speak on

1999
01:15:34,348 --> 01:15:36,418
this item? I'd just like to.

2000
01:15:36,418 --> 01:15:38,987
Reinforce one thing that we are

2001
01:15:38,987 --> 01:15:41,560
going to be in circles here. I

2002
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,458
didn't participate in any of

2003
01:15:43,458 --> 01:15:45,527
those meetings before I for my

2004
01:15:45,527 --> 01:15:47,595
understanding, if the mooring

2005
01:15:47,595 --> 01:15:49,297
field is to block people from

2006
01:15:49,297 --> 01:15:51,366
coming and stopping your boats

2007
01:15:51,366 --> 01:15:53,267
in the basin, we don't have

2008
01:15:53,267 --> 01:15:54,969
them. We don't need one more

2009
01:15:54,969 --> 01:15:56,538
field. We don't need zero

2010
01:15:56,538 --> 01:15:59,538
morning field over there. We

2011
01:15:59,608 --> 01:16:01,342
need that water clear to to be

2012
01:16:01,342 --> 01:16:04,342
doing our sport with that

2013
01:16:04,412 --> 01:16:06,314
safely. As soon as you put one

2014
01:16:06,314 --> 01:16:08,550
anchor over there and you don't

2015
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:10,618
put law enforcement it's done.

2016
01:16:10,618 --> 01:16:12,320
We're talking about miami. We

2017
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,556
have people here from different

2018
01:16:14,556 --> 01:16:16,625
I'm from brazil. I'm like

2019
01:16:16,625 --> 01:16:17,993
cubans. We have we have people

2020
01:16:17,993 --> 01:16:19,728
from different countries here.

2021
01:16:19,728 --> 01:16:21,263
It's difficult to control these

2022
01:16:21,263 --> 01:16:24,320
people. You guys saw what

2023
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,901
happened on the world cup here

2024
01:16:25,901 --> 01:16:28,336
the year before they did like

2025
01:16:28,336 --> 01:16:30,371
thank GOD they did the world

2026
01:16:30,371 --> 01:16:32,107
championship here and they saw

2027
01:16:32,107 --> 01:16:34,175
what like different people from

2028
01:16:34,175 --> 01:16:36,211
different countries they can do

2029
01:16:36,211 --> 01:16:38,613
right when you it's difficult

2030
01:16:38,613 --> 01:16:41,216
to follow rules. You know here

2031
01:16:41,216 --> 01:16:42,583
in miami what I see if you put

2032
01:16:42,583 --> 01:16:46,183
one anchor over there and you

2033
01:16:46,355 --> 01:16:48,256
don't put law enforcement has

2034
01:16:48,256 --> 01:16:50,158
no purpose and if you're going

2035
01:16:50,158 --> 01:16:50,992
to put an anchor and put law

2036
01:16:50,992 --> 01:16:52,561
enforcement. The law

2037
01:16:52,561 --> 01:16:54,960
enforcement is doing their job.

2038
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,630
It's not it's doing their job.

2039
01:16:55,630 --> 01:16:57,365
It's avoiding people to go

2040
01:16:57,365 --> 01:16:59,100
crazy in the water. It's not

2041
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:00,468
only about the anchors. It's

2042
01:17:00,468 --> 01:17:01,836
not only about the morning.

2043
01:17:01,836 --> 01:17:04,236
We're talking about people

2044
01:17:05,273 --> 01:17:06,975
coming to party crazy party in

2045
01:17:06,975 --> 01:17:07,341
places that with people doing

2046
01:17:07,341 --> 01:17:09,341
sports.

2047
01:17:09,411 --> 01:17:11,813
>> all right. In conclusion in

2048
01:17:11,813 --> 01:17:13,849
conclusion. In conclusion I'm

2049
01:17:13,849 --> 01:17:15,584
point my point is this it's

2050
01:17:15,584 --> 01:17:17,319
like we don't need a mooring

2051
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:18,519
florida we did zero morning I

2052
01:17:18,519 --> 01:17:20,222
don't know whether it was

2053
01:17:20,222 --> 01:17:22,123
discussed before but if the

2054
01:17:22,123 --> 01:17:23,491
purpose was to not bring boats

2055
01:17:23,491 --> 01:17:25,260
over there the purpose is

2056
01:17:25,260 --> 01:17:26,594
already done for last year and

2057
01:17:26,594 --> 01:17:28,130
a half we don't have boats over

2058
01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:31,730
there. Thank you so much for

2059
01:17:32,934 --> 01:17:36,371
for speaking. Do we have a

2060
01:17:36,371 --> 01:17:38,606
young lady? Good evening. I'll

2061
01:17:38,606 --> 01:17:39,974
make it quick. Hi, my name is

2062
01:17:39,974 --> 01:17:41,710
julia. Good evening everyone.

2063
01:17:41,710 --> 01:17:43,411
I'm the executive coordinator

2064
01:17:43,411 --> 01:17:44,813
for the friends of biscayne

2065
01:17:44,813 --> 01:17:46,848
bay. We've actually been

2066
01:17:46,848 --> 01:17:49,284
holding a citizen meeting every

2067
01:17:49,284 --> 01:17:50,652
friday at 11 A.M.. We'd love to

2068
01:17:50,652 --> 01:17:52,200
have you so that you can

2069
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,890
continue to gather information

2070
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:55,290
on everything that we've been

2071
01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:56,492
researching not only for the

2072
01:17:56,492 --> 01:17:58,193
mooring field but everything

2073
01:17:58,193 --> 01:17:59,595
that's going on on key

2074
01:17:59,595 --> 01:18:00,829
biscayne. I think everybody

2075
01:18:00,829 --> 01:18:02,829
already expressed everything

2076
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,566
that I was going to comment on,

2077
01:18:04,566 --> 01:18:06,968
so I'm not going to repeat

2078
01:18:06,968 --> 01:18:09,370
myself, but I think it's clear

2079
01:18:09,370 --> 01:18:12,370
the community is very opposed

2080
01:18:12,140 --> 01:18:15,140
to the mooring field for

2081
01:18:15,577 --> 01:18:17,645
reasons of the rowers, the

2082
01:18:17,645 --> 01:18:19,140
businesses, the ecological life

2083
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:21,250
and everything that's affected

2084
01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:22,284
around it. And um I'm just

2085
01:18:22,284 --> 01:18:23,484
going to keep it short. Thank

2086
01:18:23,484 --> 01:18:25,354
you so much for listening to

2087
01:18:25,354 --> 01:18:26,755
me. Thank you for attending the

2088
01:18:26,755 --> 01:18:27,789
meeting. Anybody else have any

2089
01:18:27,789 --> 01:18:30,191
questions before we go to

2090
01:18:30,191 --> 01:18:31,560
another item? And for the

2091
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,429
members of the public that have

2092
01:18:33,429 --> 01:18:36,429
sat through this meeting since

2093
01:18:36,531 --> 01:18:38,600
5155 30 thank you very much. We

2094
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,335
appreciate your presence. And

2095
01:18:40,335 --> 01:18:41,870
MR. Chair, I do have a

2096
01:18:41,870 --> 01:18:43,720
question. I guess it MAY be

2097
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,140
pertaining to this. I'm just

2098
01:18:45,140 --> 01:18:46,842
trying to understand something

2099
01:18:46,842 --> 01:18:48,744
conceptually. Uh, I've heard

2100
01:18:48,744 --> 01:18:50,812
several times about jet skis in

2101
01:18:50,812 --> 01:18:53,881
the basin. Is it lawful for jet

2102
01:18:53,881 --> 01:18:55,283
skis to be in the basin? Uh, I

2103
01:18:55,283 --> 01:18:57,152
believe it's lawful, but

2104
01:18:57,152 --> 01:18:58,721
there's a speed limit. Would

2105
01:18:58,721 --> 01:19:00,956
anybody else like to answer. So

2106
01:19:00,956 --> 01:19:02,157
I can add a little bit? Um you

2107
01:19:02,157 --> 01:19:03,859
know, as everyone expressed

2108
01:19:03,859 --> 01:19:06,628
already the basin in the past

2109
01:19:06,628 --> 01:19:07,829
was very unsafe. Uh, then one

2110
01:19:07,829 --> 01:19:09,364
of the first things the city

2111
01:19:09,364 --> 01:19:11,990
was able to accomplish was to

2112
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:13,502
put channel markers and these

2113
01:19:13,502 --> 01:19:15,904
markers, uh, they were actually

2114
01:19:15,904 --> 01:19:18,307
no wake zone markers. So that

2115
01:19:18,307 --> 01:19:20,900
was will give the police

2116
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:22,409
department and marine patrol

2117
01:19:22,945 --> 01:19:25,140
and you know, and and fwc and

2118
01:19:25,140 --> 01:19:28,140
any other marine patrol within

2119
01:19:28,830 --> 01:19:30,352
the area to enforce the low

2120
01:19:30,352 --> 01:19:31,353
speeds. So there is so when you

2121
01:19:31,353 --> 01:19:32,921
come into base you have to

2122
01:19:32,921 --> 01:19:34,990
lower your speed. Yes to what?

2123
01:19:34,990 --> 01:19:36,524
To no wake zone. It's just a no

2124
01:19:36,524 --> 01:19:38,600
wake zone. So that means that

2125
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,261
as you're moving you cannot

2126
01:19:39,261 --> 01:19:41,497
create a wake. Five miles. It

2127
01:19:41,497 --> 01:19:43,231
needs to be as flat as right.

2128
01:19:43,231 --> 01:19:44,433
And there's a law that you know

2129
01:19:44,433 --> 01:19:46,134
you you are responsible for

2130
01:19:46,134 --> 01:19:48,571
your own wake. So whatever your

2131
01:19:48,571 --> 01:19:49,571
wake does and if it damages

2132
01:19:49,571 --> 01:19:51,571
something that's your

2133
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,400
responsibility. Um do people

2134
01:19:54,743 --> 01:19:56,978
follow that. MR. Norwood um a

2135
01:19:56,978 --> 01:19:59,470
year a year, a year and a half

2136
01:19:59,470 --> 01:20:01,116
ago three people were killed in

2137
01:20:01,116 --> 01:20:03,518
the marine stadium basin from

2138
01:20:03,518 --> 01:20:05,221
accidents with jet skis. I

2139
01:20:05,221 --> 01:20:06,955
believe they involved um

2140
01:20:06,955 --> 01:20:08,991
drivers that were drunk or

2141
01:20:08,991 --> 01:20:11,760
drugged, but three people were

2142
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,162
killed within a six month

2143
01:20:14,162 --> 01:20:16,565
period. It was the problem was

2144
01:20:16,565 --> 01:20:18,565
terrible before, uh,

2145
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:22,571
enforcement was improved. Okay

2146
01:20:22,571 --> 01:20:23,439
so I understand so there is a

2147
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,341
speed limit. It's supposed to

2148
01:20:25,341 --> 01:20:27,409
be like very very low. Yes.

2149
01:20:27,409 --> 01:20:29,444
>> and the people who are

2150
01:20:29,444 --> 01:20:31,881
forced that are. Marine patrol.

2151
01:20:31,881 --> 01:20:33,582
the marine patrol which would

2152
01:20:33,582 --> 01:20:34,784
be the city the. City's the

2153
01:20:34,784 --> 01:20:36,318
city's marine patrol. The

2154
01:20:36,318 --> 01:20:38,530
county marine patrol also has

2155
01:20:38,530 --> 01:20:39,788
the jurisdiction and fwc

2156
01:20:39,788 --> 01:20:40,560
florida fish and wildlife. Got

2157
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,560
it.

2158
01:20:44,593 --> 01:20:46,593
>> okay. Thank you.

2159
01:20:46,996 --> 01:20:48,697
>> we're going to move on to

2160
01:20:48,697 --> 01:20:50,980
another item if you if those of

2161
01:20:50,980 --> 01:20:51,801
you in the room that were here

2162
01:20:51,801 --> 01:20:53,869
for the marine basin item,

2163
01:20:53,869 --> 01:20:55,571
you're welcome to leave you

2164
01:20:55,571 --> 01:20:57,472
don't you certainly don't have

2165
01:20:57,472 --> 01:20:59,875
to stick around but please come

2166
01:20:59,875 --> 01:21:01,276
back in two months OCTOBER 27th

2167
01:21:01,276 --> 01:21:03,679
and this item will be back on

2168
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:05,714
the agenda. Thank you. Thank

2169
01:21:05,714 --> 01:21:09,314
you so much for your comments

2170
01:21:11,554 --> 01:21:13,954
and for participating. Roger.

2171
01:21:18,794 --> 01:21:19,161
Thank you very much. And leah.

2172
01:21:19,161 --> 01:21:21,161
Excuse me.

2173
01:21:23,932 --> 01:21:26,369
>> oh left on the agenda. Oh

2174
01:21:26,369 --> 01:21:27,736
it's a great question. We we

2175
01:21:27,736 --> 01:21:30,473
have an item on the

2176
01:21:30,473 --> 01:21:33,473
rickenbacker marina site and a

2177
01:21:33,576 --> 01:21:35,277
referendum question and also

2178
01:21:35,277 --> 01:21:37,677
there's litigation involved in

2179
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:39,581
that site. We're not going to

2180
01:21:39,581 --> 01:21:41,150
be talking about that for very

2181
01:21:41,150 --> 01:21:44,150
long, but it's very important

2182
01:21:44,219 --> 01:21:46,622
to the city of miami and the

2183
01:21:46,622 --> 01:21:49,220
rickenbacker um the marine

2184
01:21:49,391 --> 01:21:51,794
stadium basin uh, depending on

2185
01:21:51,794 --> 01:21:54,897
who who's the who takes over

2186
01:21:54,897 --> 01:21:57,299
that site is important to the

2187
01:21:57,299 --> 01:22:01,700
rowing on the on the on the

2188
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:02,972
basin and the other item yes,

2189
01:22:02,972 --> 01:22:05,400
that is that's another item on

2190
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,442
the agenda my miami seaquarium

2191
01:22:07,442 --> 01:22:10,513
site that will be on the agenda

2192
01:22:10,513 --> 01:22:12,582
in two months again we and if

2193
01:22:12,582 --> 01:22:14,316
there's anybody in the room who

2194
01:22:14,316 --> 01:22:16,185
has information on that site.

2195
01:22:16,185 --> 01:22:17,920
Thank you very much. We will

2196
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:19,622
hear from anybody who would

2197
01:22:19,622 --> 01:22:21,690
like to be heard but it will be

2198
01:22:21,690 --> 01:22:23,759
heard in more detail with I

2199
01:22:23,759 --> 01:22:26,495
believe the. We hope to have

2200
01:22:26,495 --> 01:22:28,731
the principal um from terror

2201
01:22:28,731 --> 01:22:30,966
group who will be at our

2202
01:22:30,966 --> 01:22:32,702
meeting on OCTOBER 27th for

2203
01:22:32,702 --> 01:22:35,971
that item to be heard in more

2204
01:22:35,971 --> 01:22:37,840
detail and then um so those are

2205
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,243
the only two items left to be

2206
01:22:40,243 --> 01:22:41,977
heard the miami seaquarium site

2207
01:22:41,977 --> 01:22:44,977
and the discussion on the

2208
01:22:45,810 --> 01:22:47,481
rickenbacker marina site. Um

2209
01:22:47,483 --> 01:22:50,520
well sir. Uh yes. So for the

2210
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,121
for the item. I hate to keep

2211
01:22:52,121 --> 01:22:54,189
doing this but I need to

2212
01:22:54,189 --> 01:22:56,259
understand when we do an item

2213
01:22:56,259 --> 01:22:58,661
that I expect somebody from the

2214
01:22:58,661 --> 01:23:00,195
administration to tee it up. Um

2215
01:23:00,195 --> 01:23:01,931
and that's good for I don't

2216
01:23:01,931 --> 01:23:03,132
know if this is being recorded

2217
01:23:03,132 --> 01:23:04,834
for the public. It's good for

2218
01:23:04,834 --> 01:23:06,736
the people here that MAY not be

2219
01:23:06,736 --> 01:23:09,472
aware of why the item is on the

2220
01:23:09,472 --> 01:23:12,241
agenda. So are you are we going

2221
01:23:12,241 --> 01:23:13,442
to the item or the miami

2222
01:23:13,442 --> 01:23:15,311
seaquarium site? Well first

2223
01:23:15,311 --> 01:23:17,747
we're going to hear from this

2224
01:23:17,747 --> 01:23:19,449
uh from the public on an item

2225
01:23:19,449 --> 01:23:22,449
that they're here to speak

2226
01:23:22,885 --> 01:23:25,288
about and then we will go on to

2227
01:23:25,288 --> 01:23:26,655
the discuss that that item and

2228
01:23:26,655 --> 01:23:28,240
then the last item that we

2229
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,424
haven't hadn't discussed yet.

2230
01:23:30,793 --> 01:23:32,862
Um but I'm confused MR. Chair.

2231
01:23:32,862 --> 01:23:35,598
Uh, what is the next item on

2232
01:23:35,598 --> 01:23:38,701
the agenda? Which item are you

2233
01:23:38,701 --> 01:23:40,236
here to speak on? Seaquarium

2234
01:23:40,236 --> 01:23:41,437
seaquarium. So if that's the

2235
01:23:41,437 --> 01:23:42,804
next item on the agenda then I

2236
01:23:42,804 --> 01:23:44,874
think it would be wise for us

2237
01:23:44,874 --> 01:23:46,609
to have the administration just

2238
01:23:46,609 --> 01:23:47,977
you know, why is this on the

2239
01:23:47,977 --> 01:23:49,712
yes just tee it up for us a

2240
01:23:49,712 --> 01:23:50,913
little bit. We that's the item

2241
01:23:50,913 --> 01:23:52,448
has been on the agenda for

2242
01:23:52,448 --> 01:23:53,650
weeks. We would love to hear

2243
01:23:53,650 --> 01:23:54,850
from somebody from the

2244
01:23:54,850 --> 01:23:56,585
administration on this item.

2245
01:23:56,585 --> 01:23:57,620
Rafael, is anybody from the

2246
01:23:57,620 --> 01:23:58,821
administration here to give us

2247
01:23:58,821 --> 01:24:00,356
a briefing on the miami

2248
01:24:00,356 --> 01:24:02,759
seaquarium site? This is a

2249
01:24:02,759 --> 01:24:04,827
county property. So per the

2250
01:24:04,827 --> 01:24:07,620
request of the board I reached

2251
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:08,765
out to david martin and he will

2252
01:24:08,765 --> 01:24:10,166
I'm in communication with him

2253
01:24:10,166 --> 01:24:11,534
to see if he's going to be able

2254
01:24:11,534 --> 01:24:13,690
to attend the meeting in

2255
01:24:13,690 --> 01:24:14,971
OCTOBER. But this is not a city

2256
01:24:14,971 --> 01:24:16,272
of miami item so that's why

2257
01:24:16,272 --> 01:24:17,540
there's no city administration

2258
01:24:17,540 --> 01:24:18,607
to provide an update

2259
01:24:18,607 --> 01:24:21,700
specifically on it. Understood.

2260
01:24:21,143 --> 01:24:22,545
>> so MR. CHAIRMAN, uh is this

2261
01:24:22,545 --> 01:24:23,913
why is this on the agenda? What

2262
01:24:23,913 --> 01:24:26,649
is the. Well because this

2263
01:24:26,649 --> 01:24:28,718
aquarium is is incredibly

2264
01:24:28,718 --> 01:24:31,718
important to virginia key park.

2265
01:24:31,821 --> 01:24:33,856
It's a 32 acre park site owned

2266
01:24:33,856 --> 01:24:35,591
by the county on the south side

2267
01:24:35,591 --> 01:24:37,494
of the causeway. And anything

2268
01:24:37,494 --> 01:24:39,529
that happens there is going to

2269
01:24:39,529 --> 01:24:41,264
impact virginia key park and

2270
01:24:41,264 --> 01:24:43,332
anybody who's in leadership

2271
01:24:43,332 --> 01:24:45,340
position at the city of miami

2272
01:24:45,340 --> 01:24:47,434
should be incredibly curious

2273
01:24:47,804 --> 01:24:49,172
and interested what's going to

2274
01:24:49,172 --> 01:24:51,240
happen with the miami

2275
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:52,943
seaquarium site and from what

2276
01:24:52,943 --> 01:24:54,311
we've read in the paper and

2277
01:24:54,311 --> 01:24:55,711
we've we've sent articles to

2278
01:24:55,711 --> 01:24:57,747
the board members over the last

2279
01:24:57,747 --> 01:24:59,482
week or so on that issue. But

2280
01:24:59,482 --> 01:25:01,384
given the current proposal that

2281
01:25:01,384 --> 01:25:02,752
we're aware of on this aquarium

2282
01:25:02,752 --> 01:25:03,786
site, I mean, they're they

2283
01:25:03,786 --> 01:25:05,155
would increase the traffic

2284
01:25:05,155 --> 01:25:07,555
count in the rickenbacker

2285
01:25:07,557 --> 01:25:09,792
causeway by 1500 vehicles a day

2286
01:25:09,792 --> 01:25:10,827
that's meaningful to virginia

2287
01:25:10,827 --> 01:25:13,396
key park and everything the

2288
01:25:13,396 --> 01:25:15,131
city is trying to achieve and

2289
01:25:15,131 --> 01:25:16,833
many leaders of the city of

2290
01:25:16,833 --> 01:25:18,568
miami should be following that

2291
01:25:18,568 --> 01:25:20,603
issue incredibly closely and

2292
01:25:20,603 --> 01:25:21,838
wanting to get involved in any

2293
01:25:21,838 --> 01:25:23,390
capacity they can even though

2294
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:24,907
the site is owned by the

2295
01:25:24,907 --> 01:25:26,309
county. So this is on the this

2296
01:25:26,309 --> 01:25:27,510
is on the agenda. How long has

2297
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:31,110
this been on the agenda I

2298
01:25:31,281 --> 01:25:33,149
should ask. 3 or 4 weeks. 3 or

2299
01:25:33,149 --> 01:25:34,884
4 weeks you mean it was on it

2300
01:25:34,884 --> 01:25:37,287
was put on agenda just for this

2301
01:25:37,287 --> 01:25:38,654
meeting. I um I don't have the

2302
01:25:38,654 --> 01:25:40,724
our previous meeting MR.

2303
01:25:40,724 --> 01:25:42,910
Norwood if I don't think it was

2304
01:25:42,910 --> 01:25:43,826
on our previous meeting. Okay

2305
01:25:43,826 --> 01:25:45,895
but it's probably been on

2306
01:25:45,895 --> 01:25:47,597
requested three weeks ago. Well

2307
01:25:47,597 --> 01:25:47,930
can we hear from gary milano?

2308
01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:49,498
Well.

2309
01:25:49,498 --> 01:25:51,340
>> maybe I can help. Well no

2310
01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:52,680
no, I think I just want to hear

2311
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:53,436
from the chair because the

2312
01:25:53,436 --> 01:25:55,505
chair controls the agenda. So

2313
01:25:55,505 --> 01:25:57,400
I'm asking the CHAIRMAN What

2314
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:58,608
items are on the agenda and

2315
01:25:58,608 --> 01:26:00,844
when they were put on there for

2316
01:26:00,844 --> 01:26:02,746
a reason. So I'm assuming that

2317
01:26:02,746 --> 01:26:04,280
you put this on the agenda for

2318
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:05,482
discussion at the last meeting.

2319
01:26:05,482 --> 01:26:07,884
Is that what happened? Yes.

2320
01:26:07,884 --> 01:26:10,284
>> or maybe shortly thereafter

2321
01:26:11,321 --> 01:26:13,223
the last meeting. Now the chair

2322
01:26:13,223 --> 01:26:16,823
puts items on the agenda but

2323
01:26:17,693 --> 01:26:19,395
with chair also um adds items

2324
01:26:19,395 --> 01:26:21,465
that are contributed by any

2325
01:26:21,465 --> 01:26:21,831
board member or any anybody of

2326
01:26:21,831 --> 01:26:22,932
interest.

2327
01:26:22,932 --> 01:26:24,660
>> that's all I want to know

2328
01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:25,435
like how it got on the agenda.

2329
01:26:25,435 --> 01:26:27,170
That's all that's all. Gary

2330
01:26:27,170 --> 01:26:29,238
milano do you want to speak to

2331
01:26:29,238 --> 01:26:31,441
that to the in the microphone

2332
01:26:31,441 --> 01:26:33,843
gary. Um, the last meeting

2333
01:26:33,843 --> 01:26:35,745
before we adjourned we

2334
01:26:35,745 --> 01:26:37,647
basically work with the city as

2335
01:26:37,647 --> 01:26:39,516
far as the coordinator to talk

2336
01:26:39,516 --> 01:26:41,417
about what we'd like to hear

2337
01:26:41,417 --> 01:26:43,320
about as far as projects

2338
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,855
because we hear we read in the

2339
01:26:44,855 --> 01:26:47,590
newspaper as far as this

2340
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:49,492
project aquarium or marina

2341
01:26:49,492 --> 01:26:50,960
being developed and we just

2342
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,762
like to have a representative

2343
01:26:52,762 --> 01:26:54,130
come talk to us about it and

2344
01:26:54,130 --> 01:26:56,366
sometimes the city is able to

2345
01:26:56,366 --> 01:26:57,734
do that in this case for this

2346
01:26:57,734 --> 01:26:59,636
aquarium site they're not. But

2347
01:26:59,636 --> 01:27:01,537
I was able to work with the

2348
01:27:01,537 --> 01:27:02,739
city to direct them to the

2349
01:27:02,739 --> 01:27:04,607
person but they were not able

2350
01:27:04,607 --> 01:27:06,676
to make it tonight. So that's

2351
01:27:06,676 --> 01:27:08,745
why we moved that presentation

2352
01:27:08,745 --> 01:27:11,681
for this aquarium site which is

2353
01:27:11,681 --> 01:27:14,751
a county site. But this board

2354
01:27:14,751 --> 01:27:17,153
oversees all of virginia key

2355
01:27:17,153 --> 01:27:18,889
county sites the rosenstiel

2356
01:27:18,889 --> 01:27:20,424
school, everything you know and

2357
01:27:20,424 --> 01:27:22,158
that's why this board was put

2358
01:27:22,158 --> 01:27:23,526
together to review all projects

2359
01:27:23,526 --> 01:27:25,595
associated with virginia key.

2360
01:27:25,595 --> 01:27:27,464
So maybe that helps you

2361
01:27:27,464 --> 01:27:28,331
understand why it was put on as

2362
01:27:28,331 --> 01:27:30,331
a discussion item.

2363
01:27:31,601 --> 01:27:32,803
>> I think for me from a from a

2364
01:27:32,803 --> 01:27:35,203
procedural perspective, when I

2365
01:27:36,730 --> 01:27:38,808
see an agenda item, uh, when I

2366
01:27:38,808 --> 01:27:40,210
see an agenda, I just if I

2367
01:27:40,210 --> 01:27:41,578
expect there to be a

2368
01:27:41,578 --> 01:27:43,578
presentation, someone should

2369
01:27:43,814 --> 01:27:45,140
tee it up before we give it to

2370
01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:45,715
the public. You know that

2371
01:27:45,715 --> 01:27:46,116
that's just something I'm

2372
01:27:46,116 --> 01:27:47,250
accustomed.

2373
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:48,618
>> to and that's the way it's

2374
01:27:48,618 --> 01:27:50,153
always been. It's just that we

2375
01:27:50,153 --> 01:27:51,188
were not able to get a

2376
01:27:51,188 --> 01:27:52,589
representative here for

2377
01:27:52,589 --> 01:27:54,624
tonight's meeting. But we

2378
01:27:54,624 --> 01:27:56,526
thought since other people were

2379
01:27:56,526 --> 01:27:57,560
here about it maybe we would

2380
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:58,695
discuss it a little bit.

2381
01:27:58,695 --> 01:28:00,230
>> I have no problem. With

2382
01:28:00,230 --> 01:28:01,965
that. What I'm saying is from a

2383
01:28:01,965 --> 01:28:04,365
board perspective, every agenda

2384
01:28:05,368 --> 01:28:07,437
item when it's here and it's

2385
01:28:07,437 --> 01:28:08,839
advertised to people somebody

2386
01:28:08,839 --> 01:28:10,373
should give a presentation

2387
01:28:10,373 --> 01:28:11,742
about it whether it's the

2388
01:28:11,742 --> 01:28:13,643
chairperson. If the chair asks

2389
01:28:13,643 --> 01:28:15,512
one of the members to just tee

2390
01:28:15,512 --> 01:28:17,581
it up and say this is an item

2391
01:28:17,581 --> 01:28:19,482
on the agenda that we thought

2392
01:28:19,482 --> 01:28:20,550
was important for us to discuss

2393
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:22,510
and then open it up [Laughter]

2394
01:28:22,510 --> 01:28:22,953
To the public. I think you have

2395
01:28:22,953 --> 01:28:24,287
made a difference tonight.

2396
01:28:24,287 --> 01:28:26,690
>> and. You'll see in the

2397
01:28:26,690 --> 01:28:27,558
future. MR. Norwood, you're

2398
01:28:27,558 --> 01:28:29,558
100% accurate.

2399
01:28:30,293 --> 01:28:32,729
>> yes. Thank you very much. Um

2400
01:28:32,729 --> 01:28:34,931
so the the miami seaquarium

2401
01:28:34,931 --> 01:28:36,500
item we hope to hear from david

2402
01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:39,500
martin, the principal of the

2403
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:43,390
terror group on OCTOBER 27th

2404
01:28:43,390 --> 01:28:44,742
and maybe anybody from the city

2405
01:28:44,742 --> 01:28:46,476
that has some background on

2406
01:28:46,476 --> 01:28:48,178
that item. And we'll also hear

2407
01:28:48,178 --> 01:28:51,615
from members of the public on

2408
01:28:51,615 --> 01:28:53,349
OCTOBER 27th and it's crucial

2409
01:28:53,349 --> 01:28:55,219
it's a crucial item. It's also

2410
01:28:55,219 --> 01:28:56,787
a crucial item to the to the

2411
01:28:56,787 --> 01:28:58,488
village of key biscayne. It's

2412
01:28:58,488 --> 01:29:00,223
going to have a huge effect on

2413
01:29:00,223 --> 01:29:01,425
any residents in key biscayne,

2414
01:29:01,425 --> 01:29:02,959
and anything that's happening

2415
01:29:02,959 --> 01:29:04,328
on that site would be

2416
01:29:04,328 --> 01:29:06,630
incredibly important to them.

2417
01:29:06,630 --> 01:29:07,965
I've already talked to people

2418
01:29:07,965 --> 01:29:09,333
in key biscayne and I. I know

2419
01:29:09,333 --> 01:29:11,340
they're very concerned and

2420
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:12,770
curious what's going to happen

2421
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:14,472
with. So we had a member of the

2422
01:29:14,472 --> 01:29:17,407
public who who's going to speak

2423
01:29:17,407 --> 01:29:19,643
I believe. Which would you like

2424
01:29:19,643 --> 01:29:22,643
to [Laughter] Speak? Yeah I

2425
01:29:23,581 --> 01:29:26,182
apologize uh. Oh good. Yeah.

2426
01:29:26,182 --> 01:29:28,520
>> so um so my name is valeria.

2427
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:29,860
I'm my degree is I have a

2428
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:30,120
master's degree in marine

2429
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,220
chemistry and atmospheric

2430
01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:34,257
science and I work with the

2431
01:29:34,257 --> 01:29:35,959
friends of biscayne bay. Uh,

2432
01:29:35,959 --> 01:29:37,694
and actually got my degree at

2433
01:29:37,694 --> 01:29:38,729
an institution that is directly

2434
01:29:38,729 --> 01:29:40,431
adjacent to this aquarium site,

2435
01:29:40,431 --> 01:29:43,431
which is rosenstiel school. Um

2436
01:29:44,567 --> 01:29:45,935
,so there is no question that

2437
01:29:45,935 --> 01:29:48,500
the former aquarium property,

2438
01:29:48,500 --> 01:29:49,206
uh, is an important landmark in

2439
01:29:49,206 --> 01:29:50,240
virginia key and its

2440
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:51,108
redevelopment presents an

2441
01:29:51,108 --> 01:29:52,976
incredible opportunity for the

2442
01:29:52,976 --> 01:29:54,344
city and the county to provide,

2443
01:29:54,344 --> 01:29:55,378
you know, for improvement and

2444
01:29:55,378 --> 01:29:56,413
public benefit. But the

2445
01:29:56,413 --> 01:29:57,981
question we should be asking is

2446
01:29:57,981 --> 01:29:58,982
not simply can this property be

2447
01:29:58,982 --> 01:30:00,718
redeveloped? The question is

2448
01:30:00,718 --> 01:30:02,850
what kind of redevelopment is

2449
01:30:02,850 --> 01:30:03,821
appropriate for this publicly

2450
01:30:03,821 --> 01:30:05,210
significant waterfront and what

2451
01:30:05,210 --> 01:30:06,390
does it mean for the rest of

2452
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:07,758
virginia key and biscayne bay?

2453
01:30:07,758 --> 01:30:08,959
The aquarium site cannot be

2454
01:30:08,959 --> 01:30:09,994
viewed in isolation. We are

2455
01:30:09,994 --> 01:30:11,280
simultaneously considering the

2456
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,620
marine stadium mooring field,

2457
01:30:12,620 --> 01:30:13,263
the rickenbacker marina

2458
01:30:13,263 --> 01:30:14,798
proposal, the marine stadium

2459
01:30:14,798 --> 01:30:16,200
restoration. So if we add

2460
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,901
another significant marine

2461
01:30:17,901 --> 01:30:19,636
component to this aquarium

2462
01:30:19,636 --> 01:30:20,638
site, we need to understand the

2463
01:30:20,638 --> 01:30:21,872
cumulative impact of vessel

2464
01:30:21,872 --> 01:30:23,240
traffic water quality stresses,

2465
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,309
wildlife, recreation and public

2466
01:30:25,309 --> 01:30:26,510
access. We also need to make

2467
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:27,878
sure that the public receives

2468
01:30:27,878 --> 01:30:29,246
meaningful opportunities to

2469
01:30:29,246 --> 01:30:30,781
participate. Uh friends of

2470
01:30:30,781 --> 01:30:31,815
biscayne bay along with engaged

2471
01:30:31,815 --> 01:30:33,170
stakeholders have identified

2472
01:30:33,170 --> 01:30:34,510
several areas that deserve

2473
01:30:34,510 --> 01:30:35,418
careful review including

2474
01:30:35,418 --> 01:30:37,487
impacts to seagrasses, coral

2475
01:30:37,487 --> 01:30:38,855
and mangrove resources,

2476
01:30:38,855 --> 01:30:40,257
proximity to known manatee

2477
01:30:40,257 --> 01:30:41,625
congregation areas, dredging

2478
01:30:41,625 --> 01:30:42,993
impacts including water

2479
01:30:42,993 --> 01:30:44,361
quality, increasing water

2480
01:30:44,361 --> 01:30:45,930
quality, stress, noise and

2481
01:30:45,930 --> 01:30:47,464
light pollution issues. I mean

2482
01:30:47,464 --> 01:30:48,832
you name it. We're also asking

2483
01:30:48,832 --> 01:30:50,401
questions about the existing

2484
01:30:50,401 --> 01:30:51,635
lease and whether the proposed

2485
01:30:51,635 --> 01:30:52,970
use represents a substantial

2486
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:54,338
change from the property's

2487
01:30:54,338 --> 01:30:56,730
historical purpose, including

2488
01:30:56,730 --> 01:30:57,107
whether article seven or other

2489
01:30:57,107 --> 01:30:58,642
legal requirements could

2490
01:30:58,642 --> 01:31:00,100
therefore apply in this case.

2491
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:01,378
Those are questions that

2492
01:31:01,378 --> 01:31:03,114
deserve serious and legal

2493
01:31:03,114 --> 01:31:03,981
public consideration. I want to

2494
01:31:03,981 --> 01:31:05,182
emphasize that this doesn't

2495
01:31:05,182 --> 01:31:06,383
have to be an adversarial

2496
01:31:06,383 --> 01:31:07,418
conversation. We can support

2497
01:31:07,418 --> 01:31:08,785
responsible redevelopment while

2498
01:31:08,785 --> 01:31:10,488
still demanding a higher

2499
01:31:10,488 --> 01:31:11,889
standard for our bay. The goal

2500
01:31:11,889 --> 01:31:12,723
should be to create a project

2501
01:31:12,723 --> 01:31:13,757
that provides genuine public

2502
01:31:13,757 --> 01:31:14,791
benefits, protects the

2503
01:31:14,791 --> 01:31:16,327
environment, preserves public

2504
01:31:16,327 --> 01:31:17,561
access and most importantly we

2505
01:31:17,561 --> 01:31:18,562
want to leave the bay in a

2506
01:31:18,562 --> 01:31:20,297
better condition than it is

2507
01:31:20,297 --> 01:31:21,832
today. I would encourage the

2508
01:31:21,832 --> 01:31:22,699
advisory board to ask for a

2509
01:31:22,699 --> 01:31:24,699
transparent, transparent public

2510
01:31:24,768 --> 01:31:25,970
process, an independent

2511
01:31:25,970 --> 01:31:27,505
environmental review and clear

2512
01:31:27,505 --> 01:31:28,706
assessment of how this project

2513
01:31:28,706 --> 01:31:30,441
fits into the larger vision for

2514
01:31:30,441 --> 01:31:31,808
virginia key. We have an

2515
01:31:31,808 --> 01:31:33,344
opportunity here so let's make

2516
01:31:33,344 --> 01:31:34,440
sure that we don't simply

2517
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:35,790
redevelop the property but

2518
01:31:35,790 --> 01:31:36,113
create a better future for

2519
01:31:36,113 --> 01:31:38,849
biscayne bay and virginia key

2520
01:31:38,849 --> 01:31:40,751
thank you. Um thank you very,

2521
01:31:40,751 --> 01:31:42,820
very much for your summary.

2522
01:31:42,820 --> 01:31:44,210
Your summary was excellent. You

2523
01:31:44,210 --> 01:31:47,900
covered a lot of ground. You

2524
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:49,490
spoke very quickly. Um

2525
01:31:49,860 --> 01:31:52,260
excellent and all excellent

2526
01:31:52,596 --> 01:31:54,164
questions. And as you know this

2527
01:31:54,164 --> 01:31:56,233
aquarium is owned by miami-dade

2528
01:31:56,233 --> 01:31:57,434
county not the city of miami.

2529
01:31:57,434 --> 01:31:58,970
We're all in this board.

2530
01:31:58,970 --> 01:32:00,400
Everybody in the room is

2531
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:01,371
incredibly curious and

2532
01:32:01,371 --> 01:32:03,440
interested in those questions

2533
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:05,440
being answered appropriately.

2534
01:32:05,843 --> 01:32:07,745
Um but unfortunately it's owned

2535
01:32:07,745 --> 01:32:09,279
by owned by the county. I'm

2536
01:32:09,279 --> 01:32:12,279
sure you're reaching out to

2537
01:32:12,382 --> 01:32:14,840
county officials to anybody

2538
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:15,986
anybody else. MR. Milano. I

2539
01:32:15,986 --> 01:32:18,550
just want to point out, MR.

2540
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:20,124
Chair, that this board was put

2541
01:32:20,124 --> 01:32:22,524
together to review all

2542
01:32:23,193 --> 01:32:25,262
properties on virginia p so we

2543
01:32:25,262 --> 01:32:28,262
can put a resolution together

2544
01:32:28,365 --> 01:32:30,680
to the city commission whether

2545
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,136
we support the project or not.

2546
01:32:32,136 --> 01:32:34,539
And it's important to do that.

2547
01:32:34,539 --> 01:32:36,440
So I don't think it's a county

2548
01:32:36,440 --> 01:32:38,342
city sort of thing. It's a

2549
01:32:38,342 --> 01:32:40,378
community project. Thank you.

2550
01:32:40,378 --> 01:32:42,446
>> oh hopefully maybe somebody

2551
01:32:42,446 --> 01:32:44,150
will propose a resolution at

2552
01:32:44,150 --> 01:32:44,348
the next meeting when there's a

2553
01:32:44,348 --> 01:32:46,348
quorum.

2554
01:32:47,785 --> 01:32:50,785
>> I'm sure there will be.

2555
01:32:50,888 --> 01:32:52,423
Let's see. Chair, if I just

2556
01:32:52,423 --> 01:32:53,791
would like to add there's an

2557
01:32:53,791 --> 01:32:55,526
interesting dynamic with the

2558
01:32:55,526 --> 01:32:57,610
sea aquarium lease and that the

2559
01:32:57,610 --> 01:32:58,796
lease is in fact in bankruptcy.

2560
01:32:58,796 --> 01:33:00,832
The previous owner is in

2561
01:33:00,832 --> 01:33:03,601
bankruptcy. So there's a a

2562
01:33:03,601 --> 01:33:06,601
curious dynamic, uh, in terms

2563
01:33:07,371 --> 01:33:09,774
of the new supposed leasee

2564
01:33:09,774 --> 01:33:11,142
having access to this lease

2565
01:33:11,142 --> 01:33:12,876
depending on what the

2566
01:33:12,876 --> 01:33:14,578
bankruptcy court determines.

2567
01:33:14,578 --> 01:33:16,978
Well, there's been some

2568
01:33:17,682 --> 01:33:20,418
articles that um, rafael sent

2569
01:33:20,418 --> 01:33:23,888
along to us in our emails, but

2570
01:33:23,888 --> 01:33:25,256
I believe I read that the you

2571
01:33:25,256 --> 01:33:27,656
know, the current proposed

2572
01:33:27,658 --> 01:33:30,395
tenant bought out the assets

2573
01:33:30,395 --> 01:33:32,463
from the bankrupt former tenant

2574
01:33:32,463 --> 01:33:34,198
and then subsequently got

2575
01:33:34,198 --> 01:33:36,198
approval from miami-dade

2576
01:33:37,268 --> 01:33:40,370
county, miami-dade county to to

2577
01:33:40,370 --> 01:33:43,808
approve them as to be the new

2578
01:33:43,808 --> 01:33:46,210
tenant with a 99 year lease. Is

2579
01:33:46,210 --> 01:33:48,279
that if I could defer to the

2580
01:33:48,279 --> 01:33:49,647
audience member is that in fact

2581
01:33:49,647 --> 01:33:53,247
the the lease is out of

2582
01:33:57,550 --> 01:34:00,550
bankruptcy. You can speak on

2583
01:34:00,324 --> 01:34:02,260
the microphone. I think even we

2584
01:34:02,260 --> 01:34:02,894
are in some in some confusion

2585
01:34:02,894 --> 01:34:04,262
there because we have

2586
01:34:04,262 --> 01:34:06,163
conversations with dave martin

2587
01:34:06,163 --> 01:34:07,365
and there is something going on

2588
01:34:07,365 --> 01:34:08,899
with the permitting and the

2589
01:34:08,899 --> 01:34:10,468
lease and it's not exactly

2590
01:34:10,468 --> 01:34:11,836
explained to us. The details

2591
01:34:11,836 --> 01:34:13,371
are not being revealed

2592
01:34:13,371 --> 01:34:14,939
basically. So I'm not entirely

2593
01:34:14,939 --> 01:34:15,940
sure because now there is a

2594
01:34:15,940 --> 01:34:16,974
conversation about apparently

2595
01:34:16,974 --> 01:34:18,974
permitting potentially being

2596
01:34:19,377 --> 01:34:20,778
put on pause. But before we

2597
01:34:20,778 --> 01:34:21,980
were informed that the

2598
01:34:21,980 --> 01:34:23,348
permitting cannot be put on

2599
01:34:23,348 --> 01:34:25,490
pause because they are in the

2600
01:34:25,490 --> 01:34:26,951
bankruptcy court, we cannot get

2601
01:34:26,951 --> 01:34:27,819
a clear idea on that either. I

2602
01:34:27,819 --> 01:34:30,221
asked that exact question last

2603
01:34:30,221 --> 01:34:31,756
last friday on the call and we

2604
01:34:31,756 --> 01:34:33,324
are kind of at a loss right

2605
01:34:33,324 --> 01:34:34,359
now. Those are all good

2606
01:34:34,359 --> 01:34:36,394
questions, steve, and hopefully

2607
01:34:36,394 --> 01:34:37,628
we'll have more answers and

2608
01:34:37,628 --> 01:34:38,996
some of the articles that have

2609
01:34:38,996 --> 01:34:41,399
been in the media have been

2610
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:43,268
have been fairly complete. Um

2611
01:34:43,268 --> 01:34:44,302
they're in 3 or 4 different

2612
01:34:44,302 --> 01:34:46,302
publications. Journalists have

2613
01:34:46,371 --> 01:34:49,474
done a good job tracking down

2614
01:34:49,474 --> 01:34:51,175
the history and even the

2615
01:34:51,175 --> 01:34:52,911
history of the previous tenant

2616
01:34:52,911 --> 01:34:54,911
and previous tenants

2617
01:34:56,130 --> 01:34:57,215
bankruptcy. Any other any other

2618
01:34:57,215 --> 01:34:59,950
questions for anybody at the

2619
01:34:59,950 --> 01:35:02,350
board? MR. Norwood your

2620
01:35:02,887 --> 01:35:05,287
questions have been excellent.

2621
01:35:05,623 --> 01:35:07,858
Alejandro um so there's only

2622
01:35:07,858 --> 01:35:09,760
one other item that's left on

2623
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,295
the agenda which we're not

2624
01:35:11,295 --> 01:35:12,663
going to go into too much

2625
01:35:12,663 --> 01:35:15,630
detail but this the

2626
01:35:15,766 --> 01:35:18,166
rickenbacker marina um, that

2627
01:35:19,904 --> 01:35:21,606
issue is going to city

2628
01:35:21,606 --> 01:35:23,675
referendum this year for voters

2629
01:35:23,675 --> 01:35:25,430
to decide on a new tenant.

2630
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:27,430
There's also litigation

2631
01:35:29,847 --> 01:35:32,250
involved. Um and we MAY get a

2632
01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:34,319
fuller summary in on the

2633
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,721
OCTOBER 27th meeting with with

2634
01:35:36,721 --> 01:35:38,790
the city attorney. Do you have

2635
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:40,158
any any update on us on the

2636
01:35:40,158 --> 01:35:42,558
situation with the rickenbacker

2637
01:35:45,663 --> 01:35:48,630
marina referendum question? So

2638
01:35:48,660 --> 01:35:49,468
that, um, there's still an

2639
01:35:49,468 --> 01:35:51,868
active litigation relating to

2640
01:35:51,870 --> 01:35:53,938
that. So I I'd prefer not to

2641
01:35:53,938 --> 01:35:55,807
publicly comment on what's

2642
01:35:55,807 --> 01:35:57,876
going on with litigation. Um

2643
01:35:57,876 --> 01:35:59,244
but the ballot question is

2644
01:35:59,244 --> 01:36:00,111
going to the voters in

2645
01:36:00,111 --> 01:36:01,846
NOVEMBER. Okay.

2646
01:36:01,846 --> 01:36:04,916
>> and if if you if you all

2647
01:36:04,916 --> 01:36:06,451
want I can have um rafael

2648
01:36:06,451 --> 01:36:07,485
circulate a copy of the

2649
01:36:07,485 --> 01:36:08,720
resolution establishing the

2650
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:09,387
ballot question so you can all

2651
01:36:09,387 --> 01:36:10,755
see what it says.

2652
01:36:10,755 --> 01:36:12,490
>> that would be that would be

2653
01:36:12,490 --> 01:36:14,559
great. That'd be that'd be very

2654
01:36:14,559 --> 01:36:16,261
nice and I think it should that

2655
01:36:16,261 --> 01:36:18,329
item will be on the OCTOBER

2656
01:36:18,329 --> 01:36:19,864
27th agenda even though early

2657
01:36:19,864 --> 01:36:21,766
voting would have started a few

2658
01:36:21,766 --> 01:36:23,668
weeks before OCTOBER 27th. But

2659
01:36:23,668 --> 01:36:25,703
I think this board should hear

2660
01:36:25,703 --> 01:36:27,438
that item in some degree and

2661
01:36:27,438 --> 01:36:28,973
the seeing the legislation in

2662
01:36:28,973 --> 01:36:31,742
the ballot language would be

2663
01:36:31,742 --> 01:36:34,142
helpful. Gary milano. MR.

2664
01:36:34,145 --> 01:36:36,470
Chair, I I saw a permit drawing

2665
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:37,415
for an expansion of the marina,

2666
01:36:37,415 --> 01:36:39,484
the rickenbacker marina. Does

2667
01:36:39,484 --> 01:36:41,185
this tie in to what you're

2668
01:36:41,185 --> 01:36:43,254
talking about? I honestly

2669
01:36:43,254 --> 01:36:45,656
haven't seen a lot of details

2670
01:36:45,656 --> 01:36:47,726
on the proposal. Major

2671
01:36:47,726 --> 01:36:50,726
expansion marina out into the

2672
01:36:50,829 --> 01:36:53,231
bay um going west northwest.

2673
01:36:53,231 --> 01:36:54,933
That should certainly be just

2674
01:36:54,933 --> 01:36:56,668
shown and discussed by this

2675
01:36:56,668 --> 01:36:59,404
board. This is a perfect

2676
01:36:59,404 --> 01:37:00,772
example where I'm going to

2677
01:37:00,772 --> 01:37:02,507
request that the next meeting

2678
01:37:02,507 --> 01:37:04,742
that we have somebody from the

2679
01:37:04,742 --> 01:37:06,811
city come talk to us about the

2680
01:37:06,811 --> 01:37:08,179
marina expansion that is being

2681
01:37:08,179 --> 01:37:10,248
permitted. It's being applied

2682
01:37:10,248 --> 01:37:11,616
for right now and that's not

2683
01:37:11,616 --> 01:37:13,685
something that's been brought

2684
01:37:13,685 --> 01:37:14,886
to us before they go to

2685
01:37:14,886 --> 01:37:16,421
affirmative. Gary can you speak

2686
01:37:16,421 --> 01:37:18,824
into the mic? Sure. [Laughter]

2687
01:37:18,824 --> 01:37:21,824
Thank you. I said everything

2688
01:37:21,927 --> 01:37:23,796
already so I'm done. No I'm

2689
01:37:23,796 --> 01:37:25,697
requesting that we have someone

2690
01:37:25,697 --> 01:37:27,432
from the city talk to us about

2691
01:37:27,432 --> 01:37:29,501
the marina rickenbacker marina

2692
01:37:29,501 --> 01:37:31,901
expansion project where they're

2693
01:37:31,903 --> 01:37:34,903
expanding the number of piers

2694
01:37:34,973 --> 01:37:37,410
out into the bay. So I just

2695
01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:38,776
wanted to give MR. Norwood an

2696
01:37:38,776 --> 01:37:40,479
example of where how these

2697
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,470
discussion items come about and

2698
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:43,414
sometimes we don't get a

2699
01:37:43,414 --> 01:37:44,949
representative to talk about it

2700
01:37:44,949 --> 01:37:46,151
because the person can't be

2701
01:37:46,151 --> 01:37:46,685
there or for whatever reason

2702
01:37:46,685 --> 01:37:48,387
I'll let the.

2703
01:37:48,387 --> 01:37:49,587
>> court raphael, can you have

2704
01:37:49,587 --> 01:37:51,156
somebody can you put that item

2705
01:37:51,156 --> 01:37:52,858
again on the agenda for the

2706
01:37:52,858 --> 01:37:53,892
27th and have somebody from the

2707
01:37:53,892 --> 01:37:55,960
city able to talk to us?

2708
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,398
>> is that is that MR. Chair?

2709
01:37:59,398 --> 01:38:01,466
MR. Chair, is that from from

2710
01:38:01,466 --> 01:38:03,535
when you say that there's a

2711
01:38:03,535 --> 01:38:04,200
permit for more piers.

2712
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,737
[Laughter] Yes.

2713
01:38:05,737 --> 01:38:08,673
>> is that because of the sea

2714
01:38:08,673 --> 01:38:10,742
aquarium site? No no. No no. No

2715
01:38:10,742 --> 01:38:12,811
I'm sorry we were talking about

2716
01:38:12,811 --> 01:38:14,846
the the rickenbacker wickham.

2717
01:38:14,846 --> 01:38:16,915
Rickenbacker marina site. So

2718
01:38:16,915 --> 01:38:19,151
you're saying that that that

2719
01:38:19,151 --> 01:38:20,185
permit is for that site right.

2720
01:38:20,185 --> 01:38:21,753
>> there's two different

2721
01:38:21,753 --> 01:38:23,455
projects sea aquarium is over

2722
01:38:23,455 --> 01:38:24,989
there and then the rickenbacker

2723
01:38:24,989 --> 01:38:26,224
marina is just as you're coming

2724
01:38:26,224 --> 01:38:26,591
down on the big high bridge

2725
01:38:26,591 --> 01:38:28,930
it's the.

2726
01:38:28,930 --> 01:38:30,828
>> one on what's the difference

2727
01:38:30,828 --> 01:38:32,564
between the the the marina site

2728
01:38:32,564 --> 01:38:35,564
that you're referring to and

2729
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:38,937
the one that the referendum is

2730
01:38:38,937 --> 01:38:40,973
is is referring to? Is it the

2731
01:38:40,973 --> 01:38:42,373
same site? I believe it. Is the

2732
01:38:42,373 --> 01:38:44,760
rickenbacker marina. There's a

2733
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,476
voter referendum pertaining to

2734
01:38:46,478 --> 01:38:49,581
that exact site. I was unaware

2735
01:38:49,581 --> 01:38:51,317
of any proposed enlargement or

2736
01:38:51,317 --> 01:38:54,520
expansion or expansion of that

2737
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:55,870
site. Um and that kind of is

2738
01:38:55,870 --> 01:38:56,789
the kind of thing that should

2739
01:38:56,789 --> 01:38:58,189
be brought to this board before

2740
01:38:58,189 --> 01:39:00,589
anybody's applying for permits.

2741
01:39:00,592 --> 01:39:02,293
But this aquarium site I know

2742
01:39:02,293 --> 01:39:04,280
it's different but isn't that

2743
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,428
like a huge development. 30

2744
01:39:06,431 --> 01:39:08,501
it's 32 acres I think. Yes

2745
01:39:08,501 --> 01:39:09,868
that's huge and that's

2746
01:39:09,868 --> 01:39:11,570
specifically controlled by the

2747
01:39:11,570 --> 01:39:13,305
county but we should be

2748
01:39:13,305 --> 01:39:16,305
informed about it and updated

2749
01:39:18,110 --> 01:39:21,546
on it. Got it. Okay. Any any

2750
01:39:21,546 --> 01:39:22,581
other questions? Thank you guys

2751
01:39:22,581 --> 01:39:23,949
are wonderful to be here

2752
01:39:23,949 --> 01:39:26,180
tonight even though we didn't

2753
01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:27,386
have a quorum 20 after seven we

2754
01:39:27,386 --> 01:39:28,753
covered a lot of ground and

2755
01:39:28,753 --> 01:39:31,190
that should be a good meeting

2756
01:39:31,190 --> 01:39:32,891
on OCTOBER 27th. Hopefully

2757
01:39:32,891 --> 01:39:35,291
we'll have some great

2758
01:39:36,327 --> 01:39:38,396
informative speakers. I, I

2759
01:39:38,396 --> 01:39:41,133
raphaela thank you very much

2760
01:39:41,133 --> 01:39:43,533
for everything tonight. Is