1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:14,780 Good evening and welcome to the regular meeting of the Mid and City Planning Commission, taking place on Tuesday, August 23rd. This meeting is called to order. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. 2 00:00:14,780 --> 00:00:15,580 to 3 00:00:20,410 --> 00:00:31,190 the flight of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 4 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:43,060 Mr. King, please hold on. 5 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:44,700 Do you feel this? 6 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:46,480 Dr. Ron, here. 7 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:47,260 May the bill. 8 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:47,620 Here. 9 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:48,460 Thank you. 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Here. 11 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:49,200 Here. 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,040 All right. 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,000 We have a forum. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,100 First, 15 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:02,980 on the agenda is meetings from the last regular meeting in August 9th, 2022. 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,300 Live in the questions or comments, last meeting agenda. 17 00:01:11,710 --> 00:01:13,470 Chair, make a motion to approve the minutes. 18 00:01:15,090 --> 00:01:15,630 Second. 19 00:01:16,530 --> 00:01:17,530 Chair, may I go? 20 00:01:17,950 --> 00:01:18,350 Second. 21 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:19,690 All those in favor say aye. 22 00:01:20,070 --> 00:01:20,550 Aye, aye. 23 00:01:21,090 --> 00:01:21,950 Opposed, same sign. 24 00:01:22,990 --> 00:01:24,350 Meeting minutes are approved. 25 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:31,160 Next item on the agenda is only petition 641. 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,180 Mr. Chair, I'd like to, I guess I'd like to acknowledge a conflict our company has a 27 00:01:40,980 --> 00:01:46,060 potential conflict with this really general contractor working on this project. 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,680 So I'd like to be excused from this petition. 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:50,240 All right. 30 00:01:51,460 --> 00:01:52,220 Excuse me. 31 00:01:52,220 --> 00:01:52,940 I'm 32 00:01:55,180 --> 00:02:01,160 helping her to go get him when it's time to make sure we do that as well. 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,480 It's been a long time. 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,500 Yeah, so this is a reminder of the process. 35 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:12,360 We'll begin with the staff presentation and overview of the petition. 36 00:02:12,620 --> 00:02:17,520 Then we'll invite the petitioner to present at which time we'll open it up for public comments. 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:23,480 and questions, and then we'll provide the position or the ability to have final 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,160 comments on your bottle, and at that point we'll close the public hearing, 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,620 and then we'll go under deliberation, and if decided possible decision by the 40 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:37,900 planning commission. So with that, we've got the first one of 41 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:43,520 Sony Partition 641 initiated by Matthew Rapanos to rezone property located 42 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:54,560 We did it 3-715 and 3-719 North Saginaw Road from office service to regional commercial and with that, turn it over to Mr. King for the presentation. 43 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:59,600 Thank you, Vice Chair Deckero. Good evening. 44 00:02:59,860 --> 00:03:11,160 The subject property is located at 3-715 and 3-719 North Saginaw just short of one acre in size as the Vice Chair referenced. 45 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Once the proposal is to rezone the property from OS office service to RC regional commercial properties located just east of West Main Street on North Saginaw Road. 46 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:40,600 You'll note looking at the outline shown on the aerial image above that this is a portion of two parcels of land so it's the entirety of one parcel of land and a portion of a second parcel of land so the applicant's not proposing to rezone the entirety of this parcel from office service but just the area depicted in the outline. 47 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:48,360 in yellow. The property in question is located just to the east of HH style high school. You'll 48 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,400 know on the arrow imagery that there is an office building shown immediately to the east. 49 00:03:52,540 --> 00:03:57,940 That office building actually is not currently there. It was damaged in the flood of 2020 and has 50 00:03:57,940 --> 00:04:02,360 subsequently been torn down and replaced by a private park. 51 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:06,610 Looking at zoning in the area, as 52 00:04:06,610 --> 00:04:10,970 mentioned, the subject property is currently zoned OS office service. That's the same zoning 53 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:16,150 district that is applied to the properties to the north-south east and west of the subject 54 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:22,870 property. There are areas zoned RB, immediately to the north and northwest and the south and 55 00:04:22,870 --> 00:04:23,170 southeast. 56 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:30,710 Future land use is a bit more diverse in the area. The subject property is primarily located 57 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:35,930 in an office service future land use designation. There is office service future land use designation 58 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:39,530 to the north as well. To the north and west we have a medium density 59 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:44,110 the residential future land use designation and to the south and east we have a low density 60 00:04:44,110 --> 00:04:46,330 residential future land use designation. 61 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:52,670 The regional commercial district is intended to provide commercial development that serves 62 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:53,950 the city and the region. 63 00:04:54,470 --> 00:04:58,710 It's the most intensive and vehicle-oriented commercial district and so these are intended 64 00:04:58,710 --> 00:05:04,130 to be applied in this district's intended for areas that have service from major or minor 65 00:05:04,130 --> 00:05:06,850 are thoroughfares and are buffered from residential uses. 66 00:05:07,690 --> 00:05:13,110 And so with that comes a very high standards under the zoning ordinance in terms of site planning and landscape design. 67 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:19,500 Some of the permitted uses in the RC regional commercial district include those shown on the screen. 68 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,060 So repair garages, banks and credit unions, convenience stores, hotels, medical clinics, places of worship shopping centers. 69 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,240 There are few or to know residential uses permitted in the district. 70 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,900 This is primarily a higher intensity commercial and retail district. 71 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,740 As you're aware, there are 10 general evaluation criteria that apply to every rezoning case. 72 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,940 And I think rather than go through each of those one at a time, 73 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,640 I just like to summarize in general, this petitions conformance with those criteria. 74 00:05:52,660 --> 00:06:02,840 I will note, or restate as I've already noted that the subject property does have a future land use designation of office service, which is consistent with the current zoning designation. 75 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,380 And so I think it's important to first address that. 76 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:09,580 The master plan is meant to be a generalized vision for the future of the community. 77 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,160 And it's meant to be adaptable and change over time. 78 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:15,660 And the future land use map is one element of that master plan. 79 00:06:16,060 --> 00:06:22,140 The master plan also has a series of other land use schools and objectives that are intended to be met as things change over time. 80 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:26,800 And so although this proposal is not consistent with that future land use map, 81 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:30,840 the proposed rezoning could promote other goals that are included in that plan. 82 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,640 and such as broadening restaurant and retail choices 83 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,760 and providing nodes of commercial activity 84 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,240 for surrounding residential areas 85 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,640 that are appropriately buffered. 86 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:41,100 As I pointed out, residential uses 87 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,300 are primarily located to the north of Sagaw Road 88 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:45,060 along this corridor. 89 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:49,620 To the south is primarily property located in the flood plain 90 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,580 or properties that have an institutional or civic use. 91 00:06:54,260 --> 00:06:57,460 And so contextually, this rezoning can make a lot of sense 92 00:06:57,460 --> 00:07:00,040 in terms of advancing those other goals on the master plan. 93 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:07,180 The master plan is also meant to be considered in context of changes that have happened in the community since its adoption. 94 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:13,160 And there's a few things that we're all, I think, aware of and would agree have changed since the master plan's adoption. 95 00:07:13,380 --> 00:07:23,680 One, we've continued to see strong growth to the northwest, western parts of the city of Midland and outside the city of Midland in the residential category in particular. 96 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:30,640 And two, to the south and east of the subject property, we've continued to see growth at the my Michigan health care complex. 97 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:41,160 And so those two changing conditions could help to provide context to support the inclusion of some additional regional commercial activity at this particular node. 98 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:41,920 We 99 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:51,100 have received one public comment on the project to date and that comment was included in your packet. 100 00:07:52,540 --> 00:07:57,500 So with that staff recommends approval of zoning petitions 641 based on the following. 101 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:07,620 First, the proposed zoning supports goals of the city's master plan to the proposed zoning facility development that is compatible with the pattern of use and development in the general vicinity. 102 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:14,300 Three, the subject properties located such that the permitted uses in the proposed zoning district will be buffered from residential uses. 103 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:31,100 four conditions have changed since the adoption of the zoning ordinance including residential growth to the north and the west and institutional growth to the southeast, which support the addition of commercial land uses in this area and five public services in the transportation network are sufficient to support the permitted uses in the proposed zoning district. 104 00:08:32,740 --> 00:08:36,780 This is the first step in the process following your normal rules of procedure. 105 00:08:37,180 --> 00:08:45,040 The planning commission will hold a public hearing this evening and take consideration of making a recommendation to the City Council at your next regular meeting on September 13th. 106 00:08:45,420 --> 00:08:50,660 The applicant is here to answer any questions that the planning commission might have and I would welcome any questions as well. 107 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:51,220 Mr. Chair. 108 00:08:52,580 --> 00:08:53,260 Thank you. 109 00:08:54,220 --> 00:08:55,060 Any questions? 110 00:08:55,680 --> 00:09:11,720 Yeah, great. Sure. Thank you. Would we, if we go forward with this, it kind of puts that in a kind of a hole in there as far as a regional commercial for the master planning that we'd be looking to do coming up. 111 00:09:11,860 --> 00:09:21,860 Would we then look at and put on our list of things to do? Maybe that whole corner node of mean street and sagging on as regional commercial? 112 00:09:21,860 --> 00:09:26,340 or what do you, a future line of use, ma'am? 113 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,940 Sure, I don't want to presume to predict exactly 114 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:32,620 what that might look like. 115 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,080 I would just offer some context. 116 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:37,600 The majority, actually the entirety of the subject 117 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,740 properties located in the 100-year floodplain 118 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:44,420 and the majority of it's not suited to development due to 119 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:45,820 its terrain and natural features. 120 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:46,320 Okay. 121 00:09:46,580 --> 00:09:50,140 And so I think that is one thing that would need to be 122 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:54,260 taken into consideration when looking at the future land use pattern on this particular property. 123 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,820 So this property is not in the floodplain or? 124 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:01,200 This property is in the 100 year floodplain, the entirety of the parcel. 125 00:10:01,460 --> 00:10:02,160 All of it, okay. 126 00:10:02,220 --> 00:10:05,820 And so any development here is going to have to conform with the city's floodplain management standards. 127 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:06,400 Okay. 128 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:15,560 But the portion of the property is proposed for rezoning and development is the high ground within the property and the most suited to development. 129 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:22,340 The properties immediately to the east as I noted are currently a private park are also located in the 100-year floodplain. 130 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,100 Properties to the north of North Saginaw, because they are more proximate to residential uses, 131 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:35,060 might be appropriate for a commercial or non-office use, but likely a commercial or 132 00:10:35,060 --> 00:10:44,960 non-office use that's of lower intensity than regional commercial, or with some buffering to those areas from that regional commercial designation consistent with the intent of the district. 133 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:51,060 So your recommendation may be to evaluate this when we move forward. 134 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:57,460 I would expect that as part of the overall city monitoring process that that entire map will be reviewed. 135 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:08,600 And I think one thing that would continue to advance existing goals within the current master plan is to think about how we can introduce a mixture of uses in appropriate locations throughout the city. 136 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:12,140 Not just along our major retail and commercial nodes. 137 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:21,720 Okay, and likely the inverse as well. How can we introduce some residential components into those commercial areas to help in life and an advocacy to those areas as well? 138 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:32,380 It looks from that map that that parcel does not 139 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:42,020 Front directly on to Saginaw Road or is that just an artifact of the shading or does it front on Saginaw Road? 140 00:11:42,140 --> 00:11:46,940 It does front on Saginaw Road. That's an artifact of the width of the right of way in the area 141 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:55,300 So the right way is just set back a considerable distance from the back of curable and that park I drove through that 142 00:11:55,300 --> 00:12:02,940 It looks like it's affiliated with the hospital as a general park or is it a park for people who are in the hospital 143 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:09,540 Do we know what the nature of its use is and compatibility with possibly this 144 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,340 Development great question. So it's known as roger's family wellness park 145 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:20,100 It is a privately owned park that is open to the public. 146 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,800 So it's intended to promote, as I understand it, general community wellness through outdoor activity. 147 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:36,400 Okay, so it is a publicly accessible park, not for therapy uses from people who are associated with the hospital somehow. 148 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:43,840 Correct, a minor thing is it's designed specifically to be usable by people of all ages and abilities. 149 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:51,600 So there's sections of the playground that are designed for adults, and for children, and for seniors, and for those with disabilities. 150 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,820 It's meant to be inclusive in that way, and it is open to the public. 151 00:12:55,940 --> 00:13:03,060 But it is not like most parks in the city of Midland owned by the city of Midland or operated by the Midland Parks and Recreation Department. 152 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,000 Okay, thank you, that's all I have. 153 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,180 Do you have a question? 154 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,160 I just have one, I might just be an admin question, but I don't have the public comment. 155 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,600 I have the one for the other site plan. I just don't have this one. 156 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:21,480 It is a handwritten note on the city's notice letter. 157 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,980 So it won't, it doesn't look like a traditional comment you might expect. 158 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,140 It'll be from Tom Cannes. 159 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,940 It'll be the very last item before the next staff report. 160 00:13:32,380 --> 00:13:33,640 I understand now. Thank you. 161 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,700 Usually comments like that on these. 162 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:36,400 Got it. 163 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:44,500 I had another question if I could on the zoning map if you want to go to that. 164 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,300 I notice that, you know, it's blue all the way around. 165 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:52,840 We have the hatched area that we're looking at potentially rezoning. 166 00:13:53,540 --> 00:14:00,080 Why not the rezoning all the way to Saginaw Road, like the other areas go, you know what I'm 167 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:00,760 talking about? 168 00:14:01,940 --> 00:14:02,500 To the north? 169 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Yeah, to the north. 170 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:18,580 The rezone will ultimately as mapped it will apply up to the center point of the center line of the rate away, but the privately owned property is the area that's it's hashed so if it's rezone, it will go to the road. 171 00:14:19,310 --> 00:14:30,300 The map will reflect that but the public right of way doesn't technically have zoning applied to it in anywhere, okay, yeah, okay, thank you, a function of how it's mapped. 172 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:30,660 Okay. 173 00:14:32,620 --> 00:14:33,020 Question. 174 00:14:33,260 --> 00:14:37,900 That originally was the NATM there before, I don't think it was. 175 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Yeah. 176 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:39,220 A DCCU. 177 00:14:39,620 --> 00:14:40,020 Oh, is it? 178 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,220 Okay. 179 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:42,560 That's how it's trying to picture if that was the same spot. 180 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:43,000 Okay. 181 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:47,380 Questions? 182 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:48,480 Thank 183 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:52,050 you. 184 00:14:52,190 --> 00:14:52,410 Thank you. 185 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,720 Now, we invite the petitioner to present. 186 00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:03,400 Sure. 187 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,760 I just need you to step on the blue map, could we name a draft? Good evening, everybody. John 188 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,600 Mori from DNM site, surveying and engineering. And I'm representing Matt Reponis, the owner 189 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:24,840 of the property. His brother, Dave owns the rest of the property. So currently, this was 190 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,520 the site of that previous ATM that was there. And so it had a horseshoe drive. People drove 191 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:37,960 in, hit the ATM, drove out an in and out on Saginaw Road. The property is all flood 192 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:44,000 plane. There's a small portion of area that's above that 615 elevation, and that is basically 193 00:15:44,650 --> 00:15:52,320 just basically encompassed a small rectangle around where that ATM currently are, you know, 194 00:15:52,500 --> 00:16:04,180 futurely sat. And so the reason for the rezoning is for a drive-through. Office service does not allow 195 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:10,240 the drive-throughs and so we're coming for a rezoning for regional commercial so we can I guess 196 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,300 continue the drive-through situation. Now I know that you guys don't want to hear what is planned 197 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:27,400 because that's not part of what we're what you guys consider in the rezoning but it's I can just 198 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Let's tell you that it's a 480 square foot coffee shop. 199 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Using the same horseshoe driveway that would be there, the coffee shop would sit right 200 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:43,100 on the ATM location on that pad and then we would have parking for about a dozen cars. 201 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,060 So it would have coffee and ice cream and then they could kind of, we have an area for picnic 202 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:54,100 tables and a walking path down towards the state drain. 203 00:16:54,100 --> 00:17:04,400 I mean, the reason I hatched that property out like that, I tried to just include high ground and from those parameters that I had there on the west, it dips right down to the state drain. 204 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,820 And so really this whole piece of property is pretty much worthless. 205 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:11,680 I mean, you're never going to develop anything else. 206 00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:17,380 Just this little and that's probably why that ATM was sitting on such a little teeny piece of property, right? 207 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:19,960 Because that's about all you can do there. 208 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:30,040 It's obviously Saginaw Road has the utilities next door was, I believe it's Mid-Michigan Medical still owns that next door. 209 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:43,520 And so that's what we're asking the board to consider in this rezoning, it's a pretty minor project. 210 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:49,880 There isn't a whole lot we could really do there and Matt wanted to utilize something. 211 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:55,740 there so if you guys get any questions I can answer anything that you need. 212 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:56,480 Questions? 213 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:02,840 Okay, thanks. 214 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:07,390 I had a question but it'll be for the site plan. 215 00:18:07,550 --> 00:18:08,450 Okay, yes, for sure. 216 00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:16,680 All right, we'll go ahead and open up the floor for public comments and questions. 217 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:27,910 John Olson, 6106, 30 Creek Parkway, Midland Michigan. I live on 30 Creek Parkway but I live 218 00:18:27,910 --> 00:18:34,050 on the whack release side. So I'm not really in problem with floods, but to me, this is 219 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:39,110 a one example, another example of many times that I've been in front of City Council 220 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:45,270 talking about this. Using utilizing flood plain areas because if he's talking about developing 221 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:51,070 this, he's probably talking about fill. If you looked at the other side of the other side 222 00:18:51,070 --> 00:18:55,510 of Sturgeon Creek, you see there's a substation. You saw how much they had to build that up 223 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:58,750 to be able to be above the flood plain. 224 00:18:59,270 --> 00:19:01,770 So we're talking about building in floodplains again. 225 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:05,050 To your left, you see that's in Mandrain, where you call it the state drain. 226 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:07,050 Most people call it in Mandrain. 227 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:08,830 That does flood all the time. 228 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:10,850 And you've got to know that this floods all the time. 229 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:13,910 And it's natural that we have areas where things flood. 230 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:17,910 What the problem that we've done in Midland for many, many years, and 231 00:19:17,910 --> 00:19:22,050 not just this planning commission, and not just the city council has been going back. 232 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:26,250 for many years, developing too much north and south, 233 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:28,410 our north and west of town, 234 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:32,010 where we've taken so much land that was normally 235 00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:35,150 for drainage from when we have flood event, 236 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:36,910 and now we're building it up, 237 00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:38,770 and we're building on top of it. 238 00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:42,730 So people, I've been to the last two city council meetings, 239 00:19:42,930 --> 00:19:45,730 have been so much talk about flooding drain disconnect. 240 00:19:45,970 --> 00:19:47,170 If you know about that, yeah? 241 00:19:47,650 --> 00:19:48,350 You've heard about that? 242 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:49,850 It's a big controversy. 243 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:52,650 So someone's as bad as the road diet, you know what I mean? 244 00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:54,610 People are really upset about this thing. 245 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:59,490 And what I have to say is that more than most people, 246 00:19:59,590 --> 00:20:02,510 when they talk, they say back when I bought my house in 80, 247 00:20:02,770 --> 00:20:05,930 when I bought my house in 75, when I bought my house, 248 00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:07,950 whenever we didn't have these floods. 249 00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:09,510 Now they have floods. 250 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:12,490 And many people have said back in 86, 251 00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:15,510 I had two inches of water in my basement. 252 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:20,790 In 1998, I had so many more inches in my basement. 253 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:24,030 Now they're talking about feet in their basement. 254 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:24,930 Why is that? 255 00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:33,430 Because that's a natural way, the land slopes to go down to the Tidawasio River. 256 00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:35,450 This is all was floodplain. 257 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:36,290 There's a lot of drains. 258 00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:45,070 Inman drain was a man-made drain to drain area for development, farms, whatever the reasons were back in the day. 259 00:20:45,070 --> 00:20:52,610 There's another drain that's just north of US 10 would be, which could be, I don't know 260 00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:56,430 that can't remember the name of the drain, but it's by parent road, there was just some 261 00:20:56,430 --> 00:21:01,170 work controversy on that one, because people have noticed that they're getting more water, 262 00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:07,430 and all that water drains where to, it goes to the Inman drain, which Inman drain goes just 263 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:12,390 not too far to the, I don't know what direction, and it is down that that way on the map, 264 00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:15,050 I 265 00:21:15,050 --> 00:21:18,430 Anyways, that goes right into Sturgeon Creek. 266 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:23,730 When you take two big waterways or big creeks and fulfill them full of water, there's 267 00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:26,270 only so much capacity that these things can take. 268 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:27,790 So this is why it's getting worse. 269 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:32,310 I can tell you right there on Sturgeon Creek Park, or Sturgeon Creek Park, right there, 270 00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:33,470 Marvo Court. 271 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:37,390 Back in the day, that flooded them too, you know? 272 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:42,770 That's a low lying area, and like the gentleman said earlier, that whole thing you can tell 273 00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:48,250 That's a flood plain because it's full of reads and cocktails and it's a distance down there. 274 00:21:48,750 --> 00:22:07,350 What I'm trying to say is that this planning commission and the City Council has got to take more responsibility for the existing citizens in Midland who are being tortured by inadequate planning when we're talking about development of properties that would normal be in a wet plain area. 275 00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:28,090 So, this is just a tiny example and probably wouldn't affect everything, but, you know, it's like, you let one, it's like eating one potato chip, one potato chip, then it's going to be five potato chips, and then it's going to be the whole area will be something, and I mean, even Dow High, which is on the other side of the street there, that whole, why don't they get rid of that stadium? 276 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:32,210 Because it was flood plain, flood area, that's what floods every time it gets severe. 277 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:35,770 So, you know, you got to think about the whole city. 278 00:22:36,290 --> 00:22:41,450 I mean, this is a flat terrain, this is like Houston, this is like Dallas, which you hear 279 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:42,650 about now and what's all the things. 280 00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:47,670 And these people in Houston and Dallas have actually got retaining ponds. 281 00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:53,110 They've found a head, you know, can you tell me a retaining pond in Midland where we actually 282 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:57,810 We utilized some space to hold water other than parking lots. 283 00:22:58,330 --> 00:23:03,150 I mean, I mean, there's a couple of good examples of where we could do that, chestnut 284 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:06,470 hill, whatever that we're going to use that where we have a park now. 285 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:13,770 That could be utilized for holding capacity for times or in events where we have floods. 286 00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:16,270 Yeah, that's all people care about. 287 00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:20,790 They don't want to go back to their basements and spend thousands of dollars to fix them 288 00:23:20,790 --> 00:23:21,310 all the time. 289 00:23:21,310 --> 00:23:27,330 So this planning commission has got to stop doing that kind of stuff and I remember last week 290 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:29,610 There was talking about Stark wrote, you know 291 00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:38,010 What that is the area? This is the area that drain in the in the in men drain the one gentleman who was one of the big 292 00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:44,270 Complainers and there's a lot of engineers working on it's actually a lot of this including myself with engineers 293 00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:49,190 You know, he talked about why don't we move in 294 00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:59,610 to the Titablasse River. That would take a lot of pressure off of the Sturgeon Creek and that 295 00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:08,230 Inman Drain. If you had more access to the river, that would actually help a lot of places to be able to not get so much water. 296 00:24:08,410 --> 00:24:16,830 So I just want you all to be thinking about this and you know, you don't know me very well, but I mean I've planned lots of things in my life, a lot of 297 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:21,310 $100 million oil wells, a lot of $40 and $50 oil wells. 298 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:25,770 And I mean, this whole city budget's only $100 and some million. 299 00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:29,210 So this is, and I realize working for BP, 300 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:32,570 they got a lot more cash than you've got, you know, and I mean, but, 301 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:34,910 but it's still a process for planning, 302 00:24:35,050 --> 00:24:36,990 remain the same no matter where you are. 303 00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:40,090 There is a procedure and a way in which you plan. 304 00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:44,930 So, I'm just asking you to consider, like I said, 305 00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:47,290 that maybe you can have a tiny little whatever there 306 00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:48,990 where we're utilizing for something, 307 00:24:49,090 --> 00:24:50,670 but to me, it's like one potato chip, 308 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:53,990 and I'm not against this thing so much, 309 00:24:54,050 --> 00:24:55,230 I'm not against development, 310 00:24:55,530 --> 00:24:56,850 but if you're gonna develop, 311 00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:59,370 you need to be responsible in the way you develop. 312 00:25:00,110 --> 00:25:01,670 So thanks a lot for listening to me. 313 00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:02,690 Thank you, Jen. 314 00:25:04,550 --> 00:25:06,430 Any other public comments or questions? 315 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,440 All right, I'm not seeing any. 316 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:18,020 Petitioner, I'd like to come up for a rebuttal. 317 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:30,420 Again, we don't want to talk about what is going to happen, but we're going to use the existing infrastructure that's there. 318 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:38,980 The drive, you know, we have two entrances, MDOT on North Saginaw Road, there's an existing pad there already from where that ATM is. 319 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:46,260 We weren't planning on putting any fill, that's going through Eagle and getting all that approved as a logistics nightmare. 320 00:25:46,260 --> 00:26:00,700 and so we were just going to utilize the existing infrastructure that's there, the pavements that's there, and just plop a nice little 480 square foot, 15 by 40 coffee shop. 321 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:02,240 That was the game plan. 322 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,120 Thanks. 323 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,200 Okay, thank you, John. 324 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,560 We'll go ahead and close the public hearing. 325 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:20,560 With our normal rules of procedures, we wait two weeks and move on anything. 326 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:26,640 Have we done before we have waved those rules and considered them this evening? 327 00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:32,420 If the commission's comfortable doing so, but in order to do that, we would need a motion in the second. 328 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:33,940 I'm a waved and consider. 329 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:37,600 You don't have enough members that can participate in this vote. 330 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,240 Oh, right. 331 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,680 You need six members. 332 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,460 Yes, please. 333 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:46,600 So, unfortunately, because of the attendance tonight, you won't have that option available. 334 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:55,020 So, you don't think I don't, yes, I'm the next item with Mr. Penozik back unless anyone else has a conflict on the next item, you could. 335 00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:58,520 Who we should go get after this item, concludes. 336 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:04,500 So, the deliberation and consideration will be at the next meeting. 337 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,080 We'll have to be, yes, that's all. 338 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:14,480 So at that point we do move on to the next, this will be two weeks from now, we will have 339 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:24,540 a deliberation and we will then move on to conditional use permit number 77 and we will 340 00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:28,050 wait until we have shahm back on them. 341 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:50,300 So while shahm is coming, is that then a misnumbering mistake or this looks like it would this 342 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:55,580 the next meeting or okay I see it I see it sorry it's already pen for the next meeting 343 00:27:55,580 --> 00:28:05,870 unless we waved it which we were able to okay thank you all right for the for the conditions 344 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:13,890 number 77 this is for the legacy center for the community success for a nonprofit social service 345 00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:19,250 agency located at two four one seven at a road with that I'll turn it over to Mr. Kane for the 346 00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:31,750 As you noted, the applicant is requesting a conditional use permit for a nonprofit social service agency in the residential B multiple family district. 347 00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:45,270 The subject property was most recently used by Saint Timothy's Lutheran Church, which is subsequently merged with Trinity Lutheran Church at their location at 3701 Jefferson Avenue, which is left this structure vacant. 348 00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:52,010 So the applicant is proposing to lease the structure from the church to occupy for their non-profit social service agency. 349 00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:59,550 The subject property is located just north of the intersection of East Lawn Drive and Abbott Road and the city's southeast section. 350 00:29:00,130 --> 00:29:03,330 As I noted, the site was most recently used as a church. 351 00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:07,990 In the immediate vicinity, there are residential uses to the north and to the west. 352 00:29:08,410 --> 00:29:11,910 To the south, we do have an office use as well as the Grove T-Lounge. 353 00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:16,670 This is just a zoomed in perspective on the subject property. 354 00:29:17,170 --> 00:29:21,030 You'll note the northern half of the property is largely undeveloped and 355 00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:26,490 characterized by wooded areas as is a portion of the western property line. 356 00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:32,950 The existing structure is located on that south half of the property along with a 50 space parking lot. 357 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:37,150 The existing structure is just over 6000 square feet in size. 358 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:57,600 Yes, some of the properties located in the residential B zoning district to the south we have neighborhood commercial zoning where that office building and the T lounge are located to the east we have residential B zoning to the north we have the RE4 district and to the west we have the RV zoning district as well. 359 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:17,200 Future land use in the area is similarly diverse. We've hired that city residential to the east and part to the west. To the north and west, we also have medium-density residential future land use designations. Into the south, we have a commercial future land use designation. 360 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:31,640 On the screen, you'll see the applicants proposed site plan. Very limited in scope. The applicant is proposing to add a four-foot sidewalk that will connect from the existing public sidewalk along Abbott Road to the end 361 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,580 entrance to the building. 362 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,820 The applicant is also proposing to add a bicycle rack in the parking lot. 363 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:42,820 The site is otherwise conforming with the standards of the zoning district as it currently exists. 364 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:51,110 Conditional uses are subject to several non-discretionary standards which are included in the zoning ordinance, 365 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:55,190 as noted all applicable versions and setback standards have been met. 366 00:30:55,670 --> 00:30:59,970 The site plan is compliant with standards of 27.06A, 367 00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:02,930 and 368 00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:05,990 additional bicycle rack and that four-foot sidewalk to the entrance. 369 00:31:06,770 --> 00:31:12,170 Those existing wooded areas, so the north and west provide adequate screening from the residential properties in those areas. 370 00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:16,890 The applicants 50 parking spaces include two barrier free parking spaces. 371 00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:22,950 The zoning ordinance table for minimal parking requirements does not specify a standard for private and 372 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:25,790 non-profit social services service agencies like this. 373 00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:31,310 However, the existing parking exceeds the minimum quantity that would be required for an equivalent office use. 374 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:34,930 whether it was medical dental or a different type of professional office. 375 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Conditional land uses are also subject to several discretionary standards and 376 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:47,280 this is for the planning commission to review and determine if the proposed use fits in the context within which it's proposed in the district. 377 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:49,020 Those are listed on the screen. 378 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,200 Staff is not recommending any contingencies based on the internal staff review of the proposal. 379 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,380 We have received one public comment in support of the application. 380 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:07,700 And where we are in the process tonight, the Planning Commission will hold a public hearing. 381 00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:12,500 The Planning Commission will then per your rules of procedure, consider taking action on 382 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,400 making a recommendation to City Council at your next regular meeting. 383 00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:18,660 This would then go to City Council for public hearing and consideration. 384 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,120 But welcome any questions. 385 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,640 The applicant is present tonight to answer questions as well. 386 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,080 Thank you. 387 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:25,980 Any questions? 388 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:26,560 Jay? 389 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:33,160 When I was there, there's a playground that I was unclear whether that's part of this or 390 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,540 or whether that's part of growth T lounge, 391 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,500 could we get clarification on that? 392 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,340 I'm happy to let the applicant address that. 393 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:43,380 I believe it is on this site. 394 00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:48,650 I understand as they've built there, 395 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:50,110 but we'll let that go. 396 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:51,310 Okay, thank you. 397 00:32:56,530 --> 00:32:56,990 Questions? 398 00:33:01,610 --> 00:33:02,270 Thank you, Jake. 399 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,430 Next one by the petitioner to present. 400 00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:10,990 I can give your name and address. 401 00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:12,090 Certainly. 402 00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:12,950 Good evening. 403 00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:14,870 My name is Catherine Tate. 404 00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:16,430 I'm the CEO of the Legacy Center. 405 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,790 We're located at 3200 James Savage Road, Suite 5. 406 00:33:21,550 --> 00:33:24,730 And thank you, Jacob, for the detailed presentation. 407 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:30,450 The Legacy Center is excited to utilize this property to provide the services and 408 00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:33,470 continue serving our community and the way that we currently do. 409 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:39,250 We believe that this proposal adequately meets both the objective and 410 00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:42,970 subjective criteria and we will welcome your support for the proposal tonight. 411 00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:54,290 I will confirm that the playground is part of Grove T-Lounge's property, and also that the new sidewalk has already been installed as of last week. 412 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:57,150 I would welcome any questions that you have for me. 413 00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:59,330 Yes, ma'am. 414 00:33:59,330 --> 00:34:03,810 What are the hours you anticipate being open? 415 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:17,610 Sure, so our standard business hours are 9 a.m. to 6, 7 p.m. Most evenings we run a tutoring center. So we have a lot of after school tutoring. We probably, we may see 20, 416 00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:25,810 20 tutoring pairs per hour at our maximum with growth. So eventually we may get to that point. 417 00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:28,330 That runs to five or six, or does it run late? 418 00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:31,010 That runs usually in cell six or seven p.m. 419 00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:32,510 Because it has to be after school. 420 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:34,030 Okay. 421 00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:38,010 And do you use have outdoor events then? 422 00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:38,810 No. 423 00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:40,410 Okay. 424 00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:48,730 Utilize the facility as it is. 425 00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:52,590 Yeah, very few changes on the inside. 426 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:55,250 We're updating electrical. 427 00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:57,090 We're adding some air conditioning 428 00:34:57,090 --> 00:34:59,050 because the building is not currently air conditioned. 429 00:34:59,050 --> 00:35:04,170 And then the remainder of the building changes will be modular. 430 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:08,190 But no extended parking lot or anything else? 431 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:09,930 Nope, nothing on the outside. 432 00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:21,480 You mentioned the 22 number that you said that's per hour or is that a during that window or? 433 00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:27,060 So, at most, right now we see an average on a busy school night. 434 00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:29,580 We'll see 10 to 12 pairs an hour. 435 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600 That's what that's in our current location, busing at our seams. 436 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,660 This will allow us some additional growth and it will allow us to serve more of our clients 437 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:41,760 in our building instead of having them find other public locations. 438 00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:50,520 So at most ICS serving 20 pairs, one adult, one usually a minor during those hours working 439 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,380 together as a pair. 440 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:52,180 Okay. 441 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:55,300 Any other questions? 442 00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:58,470 All right. 443 00:35:59,170 --> 00:35:59,470 Thank you. 444 00:36:01,580 --> 00:36:06,740 We'll go ahead and open the floor for public comments and questions and 445 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,120 your public questions 446 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,560 your comments? 447 00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:26,090 All right, anything else? You're all good? All right, now we have Sean 448 00:36:26,090 --> 00:36:34,370 back. We do have the option to waive our procedure and to consider this this 449 00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:39,870 this this evening. And so to do so, I've need a motion in a second and then we 450 00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:44,590 can consider that this evening. I move that we wave and consider. 451 00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:45,870 Okay, the second. 452 00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:46,650 Nice second. 453 00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:47,330 James. 454 00:36:48,670 --> 00:36:48,810 All right. 455 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:50,750 We have a motion in a second. 456 00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:55,480 All in favor, say aye. 457 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,280 Aye. 458 00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:57,680 All in favor, say aye. 459 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,180 All in the same time. 460 00:36:59,020 --> 00:36:59,200 All right. 461 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,560 I guess we can open for deliberation. 462 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,420 I think it's a good fit. 463 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,420 Makes rational sense to me, especially in a church building. 464 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:13,300 Yeah. 465 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:19,660 It's that neighborhood area and what's going on there. I think that to me fits, you know, it's all that area 466 00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:23,900 The residential uses are pretty much much more firm 467 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:29,020 From this and the adjacent property owners and support of it 468 00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:36,520 I think also even if there are outdoor events it won't change anything. It won't affect anything negatively. There's space and 469 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,640 Yeah, I think it utilizes an existing building that won't deteriorate 470 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,620 Yeah, further it's a good within the city and it's not a vacant property then 471 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:51,080 So it's a I think a good use to have tutoring there 472 00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:55,520 That sort of thing so I'm in I'm a support of this 473 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,480 Yeah, I was also say also being in a near-neighborhood 474 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:06,220 Yeah, I was like after school program is a good piece of that 475 00:38:06,220 --> 00:38:09,020 So there aren't many resources on that side of town right now either 476 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:12,120 But there are schools, so I think that could be helpful. 477 00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:19,280 Mr. Chair, make a motion that we approve conditional use permit number 77. 478 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,480 A second. 479 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,560 A second? 480 00:38:22,660 --> 00:38:23,620 A motion a second? 481 00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:25,440 All in the paper say aye. 482 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,420 I just had a question. 483 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,320 Are we approving or are we recommending approve of the city council? 484 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,900 Thank you. 485 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,380 Let me read you. 486 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:35,900 I'm sorry. 487 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:39,520 Sorry, it's okay and we'd be looking for roll call vote 488 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,880 So we recommend this to approve for city council and with that 489 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,440 roll 490 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:56,380 Fields yes, Sakura. Yes, maybe yes. Yes, pain. Yes, not sick. Yes, Craig. Yes 491 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:57,260 Thank 492 00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:08,720 you. So with that we move on in the agenda 493 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,580 Old business. I believe there is none 494 00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:20,980 Next is public comments unrelated to items on the agenda are there any public comments unrelated 495 00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:21,800 to the agenda? 496 00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:26,090 All right. 497 00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:27,570 Seeing none. 498 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:29,390 Any new business? 499 00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:31,310 Nothing. 500 00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:31,650 Good evening. 501 00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:32,250 All right. 502 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:36,530 And I have, we do have the communications on the table here. 503 00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:40,970 And I don't have any report of the chairperson. 504 00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:45,090 And then report from the planning director. 505 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:56,090 Yeah, I wanted to just briefly circle back on Mr. Alcens' comments, just to note I've 506 00:39:56,090 --> 00:40:01,730 been, I've had the fortune or misfortune of being at several of the council meetings where 507 00:40:01,730 --> 00:40:07,050 the footing during disconnect program and some of the other capital improvement items that 508 00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:11,750 council has been working on in response to prior floating events have been discussed. 509 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:22,230 and it's certainly registered with me having attended those hearings that there's significant concern, similar to that expressed by Mr. 510 00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:31,050 Elson about the development pattern and the city's approach to floodplain management, storm water management in general, particularly in that part of the city. 511 00:40:31,390 --> 00:40:40,470 And so I just wanted to acknowledge that and note that it is certainly my intention to ensure that in the next phases of our city modern master plan process. 512 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:46,450 us that we engage in additional conversations that go beyond the capital improvements that 513 00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:53,970 have been approved by the city this week to additional consideration of the manner 514 00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:59,330 in which we approach development in sensitive areas and the manner in which we treat storm 515 00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:06,790 water in those areas. There was also similarly a motion made last night by council to ask staff 516 00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:09,850 after review current procedures and policies related to storm water. 517 00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:13,530 Those for the most part are not within the purview of the planning commission. 518 00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:18,930 But I did want to let you know that that is something that we'll be taking place as well as part of that broader conversation. 519 00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:26,470 So I just didn't want to let that those comments go on responded to because it is certainly on my on my radar. 520 00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:28,550 And I hope it's on all of yours as well. 521 00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:33,150 If you don't mind, I'll jump right to items for the next agenda. 522 00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:34,950 Yes, it's going to be busy. 523 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:39,730 So, so y'all, y'all earned a gimme if you want to be absent next month. 524 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:42,850 Your colleagues, they need to be here at least five of you. 525 00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:49,390 We will here be looking for a recommendation on the zoning petition. 526 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:51,570 The public hearing was held on tonight. 527 00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:54,190 We have three additional zoning petitions that will be coming forward. 528 00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:59,750 One that is sort of related to the zoning petition you saw in your last regular meeting. 529 00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:10,170 on north side on our road, two that are related to recent annexations into the city of relatively small pieces of property along Peron Road. 530 00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:26,250 We have a conditional use permit for a single family dwelling in the residential be zoning district, not on the list near agenda, but another item that will be on that next agenda is a petition to vacate a street, an undeveloped street on the city's west side. 531 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:32,330 And we will also be talking about our notice of intent to plan for city modern master plan, 532 00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:39,130 the planning commission, bylaws and rules of procedure, under new business, and one other 533 00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:40,110 item that escapes me. 534 00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:48,530 So, you know, eat a good dinner before you arrive next, next month, and enjoy your Labor Day 535 00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:48,850 holiday. 536 00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:55,090 If there are any chance we could maybe get, we've been getting the agendas on Thursday 537 00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:55,550 late. 538 00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:57,410 We're working on moving that up. 539 00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:57,850 Yeah. 540 00:42:58,150 --> 00:43:04,250 We could get at least by Thursday that wouldn't give us time to do justice to the topics. 541 00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:11,550 My intention is that you will, at a point in the future, be receiving those agendas by 542 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:17,930 noon on Wednesday at the latest, but it may take us a couple of months to exercise some 543 00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:27,450 of our system. So we are working in an ejection though. Okay, I'd like you to have at least six days 544 00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:34,690 with the packet in the worst case scenario. And so we are that is our intention as soon as we can 545 00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:35,610 get there moving forward. 546 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:44,760 Yeah, just comment. You guys have the Michigan planner coming up in mid-October. 547 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:52,060 there is a planning Michigan conference and sometimes the city has a budget to 548 00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:56,700 send one or two people and I would encourage some of the newer members to go and 549 00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:02,680 look at the citizen planner portion of that if it's possible to go. Jacob will 550 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,560 let us know if that's something potentially we can do. I've gone to it in the 551 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,820 past and it's very worthwhile to learn. 552 00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:13,240 And that's the second week of October. 553 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:16,280 So you would not have to miss a planning commission meeting. 554 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,780 Necessarily, citizen planner portion does overlap with our meeting that week. 555 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,420 But the remainder of the bulk of the conference sessions will begin Wednesday morning. 556 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,880 I'll be traveling up after the planning commission meeting that Tuesday night. 557 00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:32,200 It's on Macon Island. 558 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:38,680 I don't know if that or as mentioned, but not a bad place to visit, depending on the weather in October. 559 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,020 And we would be happy to support anyone who's interested in attending to the extent the budget will permit. 560 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:52,660 So if you are interested, you just need to, I would encourage you to let me know as soon as you can so that we can ensure we can make the appropriate accommodations for your travel. 561 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,120 Final motion. I move, we adjourned. All right, motion, aye, you. I'll second. 562 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,100 Got a second. 563 00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:08,140 On the fifth SI. 564 00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:09,180 All right. 565 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,480 My pose seems fine. 566 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,340 Where you going?