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transportation utilities and

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waterways review board Alderman

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Bauman share of the board.

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And when we go around the room

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quickly and introduce ourselves

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will start on the left to the

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newly appointed member of the

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board. As of yesterday, a win

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for our please. Thank you so

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much. Member, our Alderman 3rd

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District. I am now in my.

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For its been 14 a half months

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in office. It's been a pleasure

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to serve the residents of

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district 3 very good at making

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a please more of his chair,

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John Rogers, deputy director

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for the Milwaukee County

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Department of Transportation.

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Excellent.

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Good morning. MISTER Chair

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James Washington. Public Works

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coronation manager and the

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Department of Public Works.

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Good Morning. MISTER Chair Gym

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for advocate of public Transit.

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Just like what, Jim Pictures,

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because it's like to speak of

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the mic to there's a microphone

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in front of you. Good morning

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Chair Jim Carpenter here, an

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advocate of public transit just

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like you.

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Good morning, Kevin Susi,

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citizen member John DECEMBER

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resident of Milwaukee advocate

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for transit. Well, German Scott

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All right. Excellent. We have

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one final in front of us today.

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It's item 2, 6, 0, 2, 2, 1,

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communication relating to the

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creation of a publicly owned

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electric utility by the city

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of Milwaukee sponsored by

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Alderman Broward and myself.

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I think we'll start today by

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having a brief opening comments

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from some of the board members

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who have indicated a desire to

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make comments. So we'll start

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with almond grower. And thank

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you so much. MISTER Chair.

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I really want to express my

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deep gratitude to you and to

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the staff here at City Hall

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and this body for meeting today

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to discuss this really, really

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important topic because we are

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we are faced with so much here

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in the city of Milwaukee.

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Not only are we faced with

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rising prices across the board,

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whether it's these landlords

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gouging U.S. Or Kroger,

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shutting grocery stores down

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and then raising prices or

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whether it's frankly our

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current utility continuing to

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raise prices again and again,

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the working people of this city

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are suffering right now.

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And I am so glad that this

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council in this body are taking

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heed of that and exploring this

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possibility today for us to

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utilize chapter one, 97 of the

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Wisconsin state statutes to

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replace we energies with the

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utility that's democratically

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owned as a socialist alderman.

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I believe that we should have

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democracy in every single part

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of our economy because it's one

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thing to just elect people

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wanting to go to vote for

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PRESIDENT. One thing to be a

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vote for your representative.

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But it's another thing people

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have said a c in the material

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conditions that affect you

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every single day. And when you

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have a corporation like we

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energies, that's The they MAY

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suppose and present that their

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a priority is to deliver

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electricity. But as with any

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company that you can treat on

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Wall Street. The real hidden or

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maybe not so hidden priority of

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that entity is to deliver

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profits for shareholders.

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And I think it's about time.

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Then this world we seriously

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reconsider that economic

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arrangement where we have an

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economy where every single

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human life is valued. Everybody

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has an equal say no matter

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what. Zip code you live in, no

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matter what your skin color

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is, no matter what your gender

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is, that we have equality in

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that we have a democracy.

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And so this is one step that is

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allowed under current state

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law. We're not asking medicine

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to do us any favors here,

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although we do think they But

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we're not asking medicine to

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see favors. We are advocating

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under current law and I I ran

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on this and I'm I'm so proud

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that we are hearing this right

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now. To have this conversation

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about whether we use this

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statute that currently exist in

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law, which is one step for us

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to be able to come have an

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economy that works for every

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single person where everybody

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is self actual is where

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everyone can reach their full

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potential were no one is

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oppressed. And I know there's

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probably some right-wing troll

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out there. That's going to

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comment on the saying that

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because 11, 30 talk radio was

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just talking about making fun

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of people fighting oppression

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this morning. But I actually

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think it's a

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good idea to fight And I think

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we should be doing that in this

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world. I actually did. You

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know, call me call me a crazy

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leftist Marxist here. But I

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think that people should be

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able to live their lives, how

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they want and have a say in

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every single aspect of their

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lives. And so it was really

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MARCH or the opportunity called

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his meeting. I appreciate

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everybody on this committee for

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showing up today and I

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especially on what and also I

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want to thank our here are

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going to testify and provide

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testimony as well as the

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members of the public who are

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here as well. Look at this

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crowd. Look at these people who

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showed up on a workday. Some of

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you I know, have taken off of

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work because this issue is so

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important to discuss. I'm here

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today. So I just want to say

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from the bottom of my heart

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to every single person present

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here, thank you for raising

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your voice. It's one thing to

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be an elected official on, but

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it's another thing to really be

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a member of the community and

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advocate and stand up when it's

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difficult. So all of you are

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doing that today. Thank you all

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so much. And thank you so much

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for me to have some remarks,

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MR. Chair, thank you all.

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I'm tired of making opening

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statement. Yes, I would like

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to make an opening First of

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all, I want to reiterate that I

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took the public transit here,

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the green line with my wife

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and I believe in public

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transit.

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A government does a lot of good

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things and providing services

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public transit being one of

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them. That's why I'm on this

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committee. But I also believe

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in public utilities. Let me

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read a few using my background

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is in economics instructor.

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I'm a proud member of Milwaukee

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dsa. Yeah.

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Also I believe in a mixed

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economy. Where is there a?

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There is a place for markets

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and competition and profit,

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but also a place for government

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provide services. The preferred

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drug visions of utilities likes

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or water and energy have proven

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to be a good place for

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government services. When I

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first started reading about

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publicly owned nonprofit

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utilities, I learned this is

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not all fire, all fringe idea.

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It is a model supported all

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over the country by people of

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different political or

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political persuasions. Let's

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get the facts straight and

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urging that works are what

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economists call natural

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monopolies allowing multiple

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companies to provide redundant

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energy networks in a given

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geographical area makes no

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economic sense. Energy networks

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are best provided my

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monopolies. The problem is we

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energies is a profit driven

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monopoly and sometimes profits

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get in the way of providing the

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best solution to a problem.

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cost effective to improve

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energy efficiency rather than

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true. Then to provide more

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energy. But a for-profit

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utility does not have the

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incentive to provide energy

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efficiency because this reduces

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the consumption of energy and

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this reduces profits. Consider

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data centers all over this

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country. Communities are

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enacting moratoriums on data

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centers because of negative

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effects of these data centers

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on your told the Bills, the

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environment and other negative

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externalities, but profit

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driven utilities have no

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incentive to a pop up all these

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data centers because they

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dissenters lead to higher

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energy consumption and higher

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profits. Recently we energies

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proposals are reviewed by the

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Public Service Commission of

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Wisconsin. And let's review

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some of the things Thomas

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contents said about this review

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process. Some of the things

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that we energy trying to pull

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off because they're a

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for-profit company. But before

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I do that, I just want to bring

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attention to the Bell. Iris

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2, I noticed I received from we

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energies with my last energy

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bill saying that my energy bill

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will increase by double digits

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next year. 10.28% That is

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wholly unacceptable. Yeah.

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a for-profit motive. I believe

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that a publicly owned utility

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would not be increasing my bill

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by double digits next year.

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a couple quotes from this

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actual in our goal. All the

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damage are null said no by Tom

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The time is confidential is the

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executive director of the

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Citizens. Your Ability Board

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of Wisconsin. This is some of

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the things that we energies

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was trying to get away from

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that. The Public Service Act

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commission rejected rejected we

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energies proposals to require

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consumers to pay. 25% about

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1 billion dollars for natural

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gas. Power plants to be built

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for data centers. He cited that

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customers protect customer

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protections should be in place

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for smaller data centers and

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we energies. I then smaller

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data centers. Then we energies

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and for a boss. Data centers

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rate increases. Cub will

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scrutinize billions and excels

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energy data centers plans.

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Cubs will actively review the

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price hike proposals we

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energies and Wps put forward

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seeking double-digit increases

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for residential customers over

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the next 2 years. The on data

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centers, Wisconsin needs to

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put affordability first energy

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been rising at a clip. Well

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above inflation, since Taters

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centers showed up to soften the

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blow cover eca men's these

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changes to be implemented by

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the government governor and

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the legislature stop utilities

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from profiting on dead power

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plants. Customer cut customers

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across the state are paying

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1 billion dollars for piles

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of rubble that have nothing to

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do with keeping the lights on.

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We start deland's and how the

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stage energy future unfolds.

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Utilities push profits centric

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plans that rely solely on

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building power plants. But

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ignore energy efficiency and

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other technologies that can

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save customers under bills.

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A better planning process.

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Reacher tell these needs

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including distribution can fix

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this and that reforms to ensure

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utility profits are linked to

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affordability and how well

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power companies tackle the

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burden. A high energy cost of

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plays on people struggling to

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make energy and meat instead

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of making a lowering the

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profits. I say when they

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shouldn't have profits, we do

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not profit says.

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Let's and the profits are bills

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will be lower. Our energy czar

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systems more sustainable.

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And I will move forward in a

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better fashion so thank you

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very much for allowing me to

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make those comments here to

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thank you. Good people of

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Milwaukee for coming off.

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Sure. You're coming out because

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you're concerned about your

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energy bill, which is should

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be. But you're also concerned

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about the energy bills of

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people who cannot afford to

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have low income. And I find

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a difficult time of 40 these

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high energy bills are also

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concerned about the

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environment. So thank you for

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being people of conscience who

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care about the environment who

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care about the next generation

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who care about poor people.

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And of course, it's a layered

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normal human beings. You care

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about yourself. So thank you

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very much for being here.

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Other board members wish to

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make opening statements.

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All right. Then we'll proceed

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to our business today. We have

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1, one item of housekeeping,

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and that is to approve the

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minutes of the previous

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meeting, which was 2 years ago.

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Back on 5/10/2023 is there a

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motion to approve the previous

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minutes? So moved their second

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second all in favor, aye.

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All right. Good that the

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minutes right away. And this is

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a communication file. We're

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here to collect the information

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and disseminate that

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information to the public via

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your own presence here and the

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presence of the media, which is

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great. This is also being live

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streamed on the city channel.

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So there's there's a permanent

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video record of these

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proceedings which people can

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go to an consultant review.

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We're not going to take any

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action by this committee.

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This board does not have the

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ability to recommend a specific

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action by the Common Council.

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That is a step that will have

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to wait for the future and

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future action in terms of

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committing a of creating

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perhaps the task force to

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review the potential of a

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feasibility study to review the

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details. The facts, the costs,

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the details of the transaction

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of this sort. This is an

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enormously complicated process

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as indicated by the legal memo

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that we received from the pine

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box for him. We will be hearing

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from one of their attorneys

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on the legal process. We'll

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also be hearing from the

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American Public Power

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Association where we're we're

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we're very honored to have or

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should let striver here fresh

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from Washington, D.C., from the

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American Public Power

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Association

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this organization. We had the

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honor, all the Broward I met

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with her and her colleagues

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back in MARCH when we were in

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dc for the National League of

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Cities Convention.

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It was a very interesting

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meeting. They presented some

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some of of standing material to

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us and that material is in the

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file. So anybody can get access

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to that material via the file.

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So we will start with select

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and she can explain the whole

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concept of public power that

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it's not at all. But for our

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pointed out, some wild, crazy

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notion that all of it as member

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Carpenter mentioned that

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there's a lot of cities that do

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this, including some very large

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cities. Social of the floor is

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your wife. You tell us a little

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bit about yourself, your

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organization and then provide

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your testimony.

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All right. Thank you. Good

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morning. Appreciate the

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opportunity to be here today.

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I'll provide a little bit of

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perspective on public power

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from a national perspective, a

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little bit about what public

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power is trends we're seeing as

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it relates to municipal station

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and then a little bit on the

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process that we typically see.

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And then, of course, happy to

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answer any questions that you

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MAY have. So the American

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Public Power Association where

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Trade Association and the

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Washington, D.C., area where we

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lobby on a federal level for

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community owned electric

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utilities. We provide education

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resources, technical resources

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to ensure that public power

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utilities, have they have what

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they need to remain successful

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in the future.

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There are 2000 public power

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utilities in the U.S. A little

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over 2000 public power,

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utilities in the U.S. In all

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states except Hawaii. They

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serve 5 U.S. Territories

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serving 55 million Americans

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for context about 15% of

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customers are served by public

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power. Utilities. 13% are

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served by rural electric

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cooperatives and the remainder

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about 66% are served by

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investor owned utilities.

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So Alderman Power Baumann said

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earlier public her serve some

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very large cities like Los

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Angeles, Seattle, San Antonio,

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Omaha, Orlando, Jacksonville,

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all across the country. But the

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vast majority of public power,

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utilities are small, about 80%

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serve communities of 10,000 or

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fewer and 70% serve communities

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of 5,000 or fewer. So public

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power is very diverse in terms

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of size region of the country

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and also priorities. So that

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really plays into the I'm the

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overall the concept of public

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power, its local

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decision-making, local control,

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addressing the issues that are

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most important to the

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community. So their 5 per

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tenants of public power public

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ownership, local

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decision-making not-for-profit

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operations cost base pricing

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and customer first service.

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So it really is all related to

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the community and what issues

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are most important to the

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community. So public

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power, utilities, I can adjust

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their services to what the

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specific needs of the community

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are. And so that really plays

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into the umbrella.

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10 and I public power is that

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local decision-making so

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decisions on rates,

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reliability, investments in

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infrastructure, renewable

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energy, any other services that

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the community makes are made

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here in the community.

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The community has an

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opportunity to weigh in on

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decisions, sit in on public

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meetings like this. The

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utilities are overseen by

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either. A city council are

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elected or appointed utility

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board. Sarah's. There's that

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local oversight. So can

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citizens can vote elected

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officials in and out of office

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if they're not addressing the

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needs of the customer. So it

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really is that customer first

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community focus that has missed

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most important. And so in

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general. Public care, utilities

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have lower rates, higher

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reliability, more focused on

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customer service and customer

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issues and certainly willing to

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dive into the details on the

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cost differential and

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reliability differential.

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But we do have statistics and

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some of it is in that document

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that are that is as noted

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there. And and our on our

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website public power to work.

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There's a lot of statistics on

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the current differential in

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terms of rates and reliability.

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And here in Wisconsin, public

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pair utilities have a slower

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rates and lower bills. Then

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other and other forms of of

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utilities. And in terms of

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municipal is a shunt trends.

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There are a number of

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00:18:23,229 --> 00:18:24,197
communities that are looking at

580
00:18:24,197 --> 00:18:26,597
public power currently. And

581
00:18:27,233 --> 00:18:30,670
there have been for many years.

582
00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:31,370
I've been a ppa 29 years and

583
00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:33,673
it's been a constant drumbeat

584
00:18:33,673 --> 00:18:34,474
of communities that are looking

585
00:18:34,474 --> 00:18:35,174
at public power. But I would

586
00:18:35,174 --> 00:18:38,174
say there's more interest now

587
00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:40,980
than there's ever been in the

588
00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:41,747
last several years. And I think

589
00:18:41,747 --> 00:18:45,510
the other reasons vary on white

590
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:46,586
communities are looking at

591
00:18:46,586 --> 00:18:48,586
public power. Sometimes

592
00:18:48,688 --> 00:18:49,422
its rates, the rate increases

593
00:18:49,422 --> 00:18:51,791
by the investor owned utilities

594
00:18:51,791 --> 00:18:54,793
have gotten to the point where

595
00:18:54,793 --> 00:18:55,861
it's just not tolerable in the

596
00:18:55,861 --> 00:18:57,330
community. Sometimes its

597
00:18:57,330 --> 00:18:59,332
reliability, particularly if a

598
00:18:59,332 --> 00:19:00,299
storm comes through the

599
00:19:00,299 --> 00:19:01,400
incumbent utility doesn't

600
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,203
respond. Well, then that may

601
00:19:04,203 --> 00:19:07,139
prompt a community to explore

602
00:19:07,139 --> 00:19:08,174
public power. And sometimes

603
00:19:08,174 --> 00:19:10,750
it's long-term reliability

604
00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:10,776
issues. Renewable energy has

605
00:19:10,776 --> 00:19:13,412
been a really strong driver in

606
00:19:13,412 --> 00:19:16,348
the last several years. A lot

607
00:19:16,348 --> 00:19:18,317
of communities that are

608
00:19:18,317 --> 00:19:19,170
interested in access to more

609
00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:19,418
redact, reliable or renewable

610
00:19:19,418 --> 00:19:20,190
energy. More

611
00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:21,686
environmentally-friendly

612
00:19:21,686 --> 00:19:23,588
options in the incumbent

613
00:19:23,588 --> 00:19:24,289
utility has not been

614
00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:27,289
responsive. That has pushed a

615
00:19:27,626 --> 00:19:28,360
number of communities to

616
00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:29,194
explore their options. And then

617
00:19:29,194 --> 00:19:29,929
economic development. All of

618
00:19:29,929 --> 00:19:32,929
these issues play into economic

619
00:19:33,198 --> 00:19:34,366
development and the health of

620
00:19:34,366 --> 00:19:36,201
the community. And then

621
00:19:36,201 --> 00:19:38,203
finally, a lot of communities

622
00:19:38,203 --> 00:19:39,704
when their franchise agreements

623
00:19:39,704 --> 00:19:42,704
are expiring. That's a really

624
00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:43,875
good opportunity to explore

625
00:19:43,875 --> 00:19:45,377
options and just see what

626
00:19:45,377 --> 00:19:46,770
what's feasible. From app's

627
00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:48,477
perspective, we don't advocate

628
00:19:48,747 --> 00:19:50,848
for communities forming public

629
00:19:50,848 --> 00:19:52,750
power, utilities. We obviously

630
00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:53,751
believe it's the best business

631
00:19:53,751 --> 00:19:55,653
model, but it is a local

632
00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:56,754
decision were here to provide

633
00:19:56,754 --> 00:19:57,455
information to help you make an

634
00:19:57,455 --> 00:19:58,422
informed decision and help the

635
00:19:58,422 --> 00:20:00,422
community understand what

636
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:02,894
public power is and what the

637
00:20:02,894 --> 00:20:04,362
benefits MAY be. But

638
00:20:04,362 --> 00:20:05,620
ultimately, that's a decision

639
00:20:05,620 --> 00:20:06,197
that needs to be made for that

640
00:20:06,197 --> 00:20:06,864
by the community, for the

641
00:20:06,864 --> 00:20:09,864
community to ensure that its

642
00:20:10,101 --> 00:20:12,937
it really is the right decision

643
00:20:12,937 --> 00:20:14,937
for you.

644
00:20:14,972 --> 00:20:16,907
You know, while there is a lot

645
00:20:16,907 --> 00:20:18,442
of interest in public power, I

646
00:20:18,442 --> 00:20:19,760
will say that it is relatively

647
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,478
rare for new public power

648
00:20:20,478 --> 00:20:21,979
utilities to form because it is

649
00:20:21,979 --> 00:20:24,979
a lengthy process. It takes

650
00:20:25,983 --> 00:20:28,180
time. It takes commitment.

651
00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:29,860
It takes money and there will

652
00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:29,753
typically be pushed back from

653
00:20:29,753 --> 00:20:32,153
the investor owned utility.

654
00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:34,592
So you have to be prepared for

655
00:20:34,592 --> 00:20:35,392
that. If you're going to move

656
00:20:35,392 --> 00:20:37,761
forward in that since 1973,

657
00:20:37,761 --> 00:20:38,529
there have been public pair

658
00:20:38,529 --> 00:20:40,929
utilities that have formed.

659
00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:45,502
There have been 20 in the last

660
00:20:45,502 --> 00:20:48,502
25 years. Most of them were

661
00:20:48,505 --> 00:20:49,506
small and many of them were

662
00:20:49,506 --> 00:20:50,730
greenfield New industrial

663
00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:51,575
parks, new residential

664
00:20:51,575 --> 00:20:53,477
communities that forms that

665
00:20:53,477 --> 00:20:56,477
were not previously served by

666
00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:58,481
that investor owned utility.

667
00:20:58,481 --> 00:20:59,449
And so the large-scale examples

668
00:20:59,449 --> 00:21:00,283
are relatively rare, but there

669
00:21:00,283 --> 00:21:00,884
are some and there are

670
00:21:00,884 --> 00:21:03,284
definitely some that are

671
00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,319
exploring new, many that are

672
00:21:07,124 --> 00:21:07,824
exploring now. So give you a

673
00:21:07,824 --> 00:21:09,659
couple of quick examples just

674
00:21:09,659 --> 00:21:11,261
to show really the diversity of

675
00:21:11,261 --> 00:21:12,280
both public power and the

676
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,863
municipal station process

677
00:21:13,863 --> 00:21:16,263
because every municipal as

678
00:21:16,366 --> 00:21:17,660
ation campaign is different.

679
00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:20,666
So the most recent utility to

680
00:21:20,937 --> 00:21:21,771
form was Jefferson County pd

681
00:21:21,771 --> 00:21:24,771
in Washington. They had about

682
00:21:25,341 --> 00:21:26,900
18,000 customers. They stay

683
00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:28,409
formed in 2013. Their issues

684
00:21:29,812 --> 00:21:32,648
were more access to real right,

685
00:21:32,648 --> 00:21:33,349
renewable energy, lower costs

686
00:21:33,349 --> 00:21:36,152
and higher reliability in the

687
00:21:36,152 --> 00:21:37,954
unit, which those are all kind

688
00:21:37,954 --> 00:21:40,550
of the common common. Points

689
00:21:40,550 --> 00:21:41,957
that communities are looking

690
00:21:41,957 --> 00:21:43,125
at, but that this situation was

691
00:21:43,125 --> 00:21:44,126
unique because they came to

692
00:21:44,126 --> 00:21:44,727
it. They negotiated a price

693
00:21:44,727 --> 00:21:46,929
with the investor owned

694
00:21:46,929 --> 00:21:48,864
utilities. So that's unusual.

695
00:21:48,864 --> 00:21:50,866
Usually they do go to

696
00:21:50,866 --> 00:21:52,835
condemnation go to the courts.

697
00:21:52,835 --> 00:21:53,936
But this one was negotiated

698
00:21:53,936 --> 00:21:55,137
which can make the process.

699
00:21:55,137 --> 00:21:55,938
It does make the process much

700
00:21:55,938 --> 00:21:57,873
quicker and less expensive.

701
00:21:57,873 --> 00:21:59,942
So if you're able to negotiate

702
00:21:59,942 --> 00:22:01,543
with the incumbent utility,

703
00:22:01,543 --> 00:22:02,244
that is the ideal situation is

704
00:22:02,244 --> 00:22:02,945
relatively rare. But that was

705
00:22:02,945 --> 00:22:05,414
the most recent one in. There

706
00:22:05,414 --> 00:22:08,414
are other examples like that.

707
00:22:09,418 --> 00:22:10,986
The second provide as Winter

708
00:22:10,986 --> 00:22:13,386
Park, Florida formed in 2005

709
00:22:14,956 --> 00:22:16,910
and they just celebrated their

710
00:22:16,910 --> 00:22:17,159
20th anniversary last year they

711
00:22:17,159 --> 00:22:19,127
formed because of reliability

712
00:22:19,127 --> 00:22:20,295
concerns. They had very poor

713
00:22:20,295 --> 00:22:22,695
reliability from the incumbent

714
00:22:24,199 --> 00:22:25,400
utility. And when they took

715
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,469
over the system, they committed

716
00:22:27,469 --> 00:22:29,304
to investing all the profits

717
00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:31,439
that were generated from the

718
00:22:31,439 --> 00:22:33,108
utility back into the utility

719
00:22:33,108 --> 00:22:35,508
to harden the infrastructure

720
00:22:36,778 --> 00:22:37,612
and the underground. It 80% of

721
00:22:37,612 --> 00:22:40,612
their lines within the last

722
00:22:40,715 --> 00:22:42,217
20 years. They have very high

723
00:22:42,217 --> 00:22:42,884
reliability, as you can

724
00:22:42,884 --> 00:22:45,653
imagine. Now their rates are

725
00:22:45,653 --> 00:22:47,655
consistent or lower than that.

726
00:22:47,655 --> 00:22:49,230
The incumbent utility. And they

727
00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:51,423
have obviously very strong

728
00:22:51,993 --> 00:22:52,894
customer service in 2024.

729
00:22:52,894 --> 00:22:55,294
When Hurricane Milton hit

730
00:22:56,764 --> 00:22:57,832
Winter Park, they only last

731
00:22:57,832 --> 00:22:59,734
250 customers and they restore

732
00:22:59,734 --> 00:23:00,702
them within 12 hours, which is

733
00:23:00,702 --> 00:23:01,369
pretty remarkable when you

734
00:23:01,369 --> 00:23:04,369
think of a hurricane coming

735
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,420
through and wiping out a system

736
00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:08,676
in Florida. And then the last

737
00:23:08,676 --> 00:23:09,376
provide is the Long Island

738
00:23:09,376 --> 00:23:10,770
Power Authority they formed in

739
00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:13,770
1998. They are. They have over

740
00:23:14,114 --> 00:23:16,514
a million customers said

741
00:23:17,170 --> 00:23:17,685
they're very unique. They

742
00:23:17,685 --> 00:23:19,520
formed because the investor

743
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,187
owned utility Bill and a

744
00:23:20,187 --> 00:23:22,587
nuclear plant that never

745
00:23:23,290 --> 00:23:24,224
operated. But 8, there were

746
00:23:24,224 --> 00:23:24,892
significant cost overruns.

747
00:23:24,892 --> 00:23:28,492
And sky at dusk, the prices

748
00:23:28,695 --> 00:23:30,597
were skyrocketing. So the state

749
00:23:30,597 --> 00:23:32,366
of New York stepped in and I

750
00:23:32,366 --> 00:23:34,368
and created the public power

751
00:23:34,368 --> 00:23:36,236
utility. And they're very

752
00:23:36,236 --> 00:23:36,904
unique because they have a

753
00:23:36,904 --> 00:23:38,904
public private partnership.

754
00:23:38,905 --> 00:23:42,209
So they the it is a public pair

755
00:23:42,209 --> 00:23:45,209
utility owned by the community.

756
00:23:45,979 --> 00:23:48,140
Operated and governed by the

757
00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:48,782
utility board. But they

758
00:23:48,782 --> 00:23:50,817
outsource the actual operations

759
00:23:50,817 --> 00:23:52,185
to Pse g Long Island, which

760
00:23:52,185 --> 00:23:53,720
is an investor owned utility.

761
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,955
So they still have the benefits

762
00:23:55,955 --> 00:23:59,555
of public power and that local

763
00:23:59,926 --> 00:24:00,627
control. But they have

764
00:24:00,627 --> 00:24:01,261
outsourced the operations and

765
00:24:01,261 --> 00:24:01,995
Winter Park did something

766
00:24:01,995 --> 00:24:05,565
similar when they forms for the

767
00:24:05,565 --> 00:24:07,434
first 10 years. They outsource

768
00:24:07,434 --> 00:24:08,568
their operations and then

769
00:24:08,568 --> 00:24:09,235
ultimately they decided to

770
00:24:09,235 --> 00:24:11,371
bring in the the operations

771
00:24:11,371 --> 00:24:12,405
and run it completely on their

772
00:24:12,405 --> 00:24:15,475
own. And they hired a lot of

773
00:24:15,475 --> 00:24:16,342
the people that were actually

774
00:24:16,342 --> 00:24:17,544
working at that outsourced

775
00:24:17,544 --> 00:24:19,445
company initially. So there are

776
00:24:19,445 --> 00:24:20,179
the point of all this is there

777
00:24:20,179 --> 00:24:21,781
are many different ways to look

778
00:24:21,781 --> 00:24:22,548
at this. You know what? There's

779
00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:23,249
not a cookie cutter answer for

780
00:24:23,249 --> 00:24:26,850
every community. You really do

781
00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:26,786
need to look at what's right

782
00:24:26,786 --> 00:24:30,890
for you. And that's where that

783
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:31,900
feasibility study starts.

784
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:32,892
Looking at those options very

785
00:24:32,892 --> 00:24:33,593
quickly, just to give you a

786
00:24:33,593 --> 00:24:34,293
flavor of the communities that

787
00:24:34,293 --> 00:24:37,960
are actually looking at public

788
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,864
power now, there are a lot of

789
00:24:38,864 --> 00:24:40,733
them.

790
00:24:40,733 --> 00:24:42,835
And I'll just mention a few.

791
00:24:42,835 --> 00:24:43,669
But there are I contacted, I

792
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:44,370
would say every other week by a

793
00:24:44,370 --> 00:24:47,773
new community or state that is

794
00:24:47,773 --> 00:24:49,842
looking at what the options

795
00:24:49,842 --> 00:24:50,809
MAY be. So St. Petersburg,

796
00:24:50,809 --> 00:24:53,209
Florida, they just approved

797
00:24:54,113 --> 00:24:55,981
funding for a feasibility study

798
00:24:55,981 --> 00:24:56,982
to be conducted this year.

799
00:24:56,982 --> 00:24:57,983
A Clearwater, Florida just

800
00:24:57,983 --> 00:24:59,985
completed a feasibility study.

801
00:24:59,985 --> 00:25:00,619
And so there they are now

802
00:25:00,619 --> 00:25:01,720
looking at their options,

803
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,120
whether they decide to

804
00:25:04,456 --> 00:25:05,324
negotiate with the incumbent

805
00:25:05,324 --> 00:25:07,492
utility or create a public

806
00:25:07,492 --> 00:25:08,226
power utility. And on that

807
00:25:08,226 --> 00:25:09,610
note, I will just say that, you

808
00:25:09,610 --> 00:25:12,610
know, ultimately the goal MAY

809
00:25:12,998 --> 00:25:14,667
be to form a public power

810
00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,668
utility, but as you go through

811
00:25:16,668 --> 00:25:17,936
this process, the incumbent

812
00:25:17,936 --> 00:25:18,571
utility is likely going to

813
00:25:18,571 --> 00:25:20,472
offer concessions and they

814
00:25:20,472 --> 00:25:24,720
they're going to want you to

815
00:25:24,209 --> 00:25:24,810
drop this effort. So that's

816
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:27,345
where you gives you some

817
00:25:27,345 --> 00:25:28,914
leverage, too. Maybe negotiate

818
00:25:28,914 --> 00:25:29,647
with them. And if they are

819
00:25:29,647 --> 00:25:32,984
willing to do whatever you need

820
00:25:32,984 --> 00:25:35,186
to do, whether it's reduced

821
00:25:35,186 --> 00:25:35,854
reduce rates, improve

822
00:25:35,854 --> 00:25:37,889
reliability. It gives you an

823
00:25:37,889 --> 00:25:38,623
opportunity to have that

824
00:25:38,623 --> 00:25:39,391
discussion with that with them.

825
00:25:39,391 --> 00:25:42,227
And that's where we have seen

826
00:25:42,227 --> 00:25:43,270
some situations where community

827
00:25:43,270 --> 00:25:44,862
will explore public power go

828
00:25:44,862 --> 00:25:47,650
through the process and then

829
00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:48,733
the incumbent utility comes

830
00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:50,868
back and says we will provide

831
00:25:50,868 --> 00:25:51,569
more renewable energy for you

832
00:25:51,569 --> 00:25:54,205
and it meets the needs of the

833
00:25:54,205 --> 00:25:57,205
community at that time. And

834
00:25:57,208 --> 00:25:58,142
they MAY. Later decide to move

835
00:25:58,142 --> 00:25:59,100
forward with public power, but

836
00:25:59,100 --> 00:25:59,644
at least in the short term,

837
00:25:59,644 --> 00:26:02,644
it gives them leverage to

838
00:26:02,813 --> 00:26:04,548
negotiate with that incumbent

839
00:26:04,548 --> 00:26:05,483
utility.

840
00:26:05,483 --> 00:26:06,551
A couple other examples,

841
00:26:06,551 --> 00:26:08,951
Slayton, Minnesota, small town,

842
00:26:09,487 --> 00:26:10,454
but they are actually the

843
00:26:10,454 --> 00:26:11,880
voters approved the acquisition

844
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,191
and is now in the courts.

845
00:26:13,191 --> 00:26:14,358
They are determining what price

846
00:26:14,358 --> 00:26:15,225
they are going to pay. So they

847
00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:18,825
are likely going to form their

848
00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:21,198
utility in the next probably

849
00:26:21,198 --> 00:26:21,932
this year or next. San Diego,

850
00:26:21,932 --> 00:26:24,332
California. They looked at

851
00:26:24,868 --> 00:26:25,970
forming a public pair utility

852
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:27,905
a little over 5 years ago.

853
00:26:27,905 --> 00:26:28,906
They did a feasibility study.

854
00:26:28,906 --> 00:26:31,875
They decided to continue to

855
00:26:31,875 --> 00:26:32,576
look at their their options.

856
00:26:32,576 --> 00:26:33,310
They re-signed a shorter-term

857
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:35,710
ten-year franchise agreement so

858
00:26:37,214 --> 00:26:38,182
they could they have the time

859
00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:40,150
to look at their options.

860
00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:42,185
5 years later, their rates are

861
00:26:42,185 --> 00:26:43,220
still skyrocketing. There's a

862
00:26:43,220 --> 00:26:44,540
lot of disaffected

863
00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:44,788
dissatisfaction in the

864
00:26:44,788 --> 00:26:46,690
community. So they just

865
00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:48,758
compete, completed a second

866
00:26:48,758 --> 00:26:50,561
feasibility study and more

867
00:26:50,561 --> 00:26:51,228
detailed one to look at what it

868
00:26:51,228 --> 00:26:53,730
would look like to take over

869
00:26:53,730 --> 00:26:56,433
for 5 years when that franchise

870
00:26:56,433 --> 00:26:57,734
agreement expires. A lot of

871
00:26:57,734 --> 00:26:58,802
other examples. San Francisco,

872
00:26:58,802 --> 00:26:59,436
California, Tucson, Arizona.

873
00:26:59,436 --> 00:27:01,471
It's really all across the

874
00:27:01,471 --> 00:27:04,471
country that we're seeing this

875
00:27:05,442 --> 00:27:06,420
type of activity. And then I'll

876
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:09,145
wrap up just with on the

877
00:27:09,145 --> 00:27:09,812
process. It's not a quick and

878
00:27:09,812 --> 00:27:12,682
easy process. It takes time.

879
00:27:12,682 --> 00:27:13,483
It takes commitment from the

880
00:27:13,483 --> 00:27:15,883
community from leaders. You

881
00:27:16,786 --> 00:27:17,854
know, it starts with this.

882
00:27:17,854 --> 00:27:19,854
The education campaign.

883
00:27:20,823 --> 00:27:22,124
Explaining what public power is

884
00:27:22,124 --> 00:27:22,959
what you're trying to solve by

885
00:27:22,959 --> 00:27:24,794
forming a public power utility

886
00:27:24,794 --> 00:27:26,596
or at least the exploring

887
00:27:26,596 --> 00:27:28,498
firming of public power

888
00:27:28,498 --> 00:27:30,566
utility. The next step really

889
00:27:30,566 --> 00:27:31,534
is that feasibility study to

890
00:27:31,534 --> 00:27:33,436
determine does it really make

891
00:27:33,436 --> 00:27:34,103
sense for this community?

892
00:27:34,103 --> 00:27:37,139
That's where you put pen to

893
00:27:37,139 --> 00:27:37,840
paper. You hire an outside firm

894
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,842
to look at this. They look at

895
00:27:39,842 --> 00:27:41,710
what the impacts would be on

896
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:43,790
rates, reliability. What other

897
00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:46,790
issues you want to address,

898
00:27:46,382 --> 00:27:47,383
what the response MAY be from

899
00:27:47,383 --> 00:27:49,318
the incumbent utility.

900
00:27:49,318 --> 00:27:50,386
So that really is that tells

901
00:27:50,386 --> 00:27:52,288
you, do you want to move

902
00:27:52,288 --> 00:27:54,423
forward at all or you just or

903
00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:55,257
are you going to choose to

904
00:27:55,257 --> 00:27:56,225
negotiate with the incumbent

905
00:27:56,225 --> 00:27:58,660
utility and then you'll go

906
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:00,763
through a number of options.

907
00:28:00,763 --> 00:28:02,565
After that, the legal analysis

908
00:28:02,565 --> 00:28:03,532
that evaluation, the financing

909
00:28:03,532 --> 00:28:05,634
options and then the actual

910
00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:06,635
acquisition, there will be a

911
00:28:06,635 --> 00:28:09,635
referendum at some point for

912
00:28:09,705 --> 00:28:10,372
the community to weigh in and

913
00:28:10,372 --> 00:28:11,107
there could be a referendum.

914
00:28:11,107 --> 00:28:11,807
See, you know, along the way to

915
00:28:11,807 --> 00:28:14,410
decide if you're going to move

916
00:28:14,410 --> 00:28:16,412
forward and then ultimately,

917
00:28:16,412 --> 00:28:18,413
if you do decide or 2 decide to

918
00:28:18,413 --> 00:28:19,114
move forward with the

919
00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:19,848
acquisition, there would be a

920
00:28:19,848 --> 00:28:22,848
reference locally and then off

921
00:28:25,187 --> 00:28:27,188
and if you see will have to

922
00:28:27,188 --> 00:28:29,191
approve approved the the actual

923
00:28:29,191 --> 00:28:29,891
acquisition. So all wrap up

924
00:28:29,891 --> 00:28:30,592
there and I'm happy to answer

925
00:28:30,592 --> 00:28:31,292
questions, but just really

926
00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:32,494
appreciate the opportunity to

927
00:28:32,494 --> 00:28:34,429
be here. And it's really

928
00:28:34,429 --> 00:28:35,664
exciting to hear about what you

929
00:28:35,664 --> 00:28:37,532
what you're what you're

930
00:28:37,532 --> 00:28:38,199
exploring here. Thank you for

931
00:28:38,199 --> 00:28:39,667
that excellent presentation.

932
00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:40,668
Absolutely. You. You've

933
00:28:40,668 --> 00:28:43,680
obviously done this before.

934
00:28:45,106 --> 00:28:47,109
So thank you so we'll go to

935
00:28:47,109 --> 00:28:48,376
our attorneys now

936
00:28:48,376 --> 00:28:49,770
focus on the micro level,

937
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:50,545
namely what a lot of Wisconsin

938
00:28:50,545 --> 00:28:52,945
provides relative to municipal

939
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:55,414
as Asian electric utilities.

940
00:28:56,318 --> 00:28:57,985
So please. Identify yourself

941
00:28:57,985 --> 00:28:58,653
and give us a little bit.

942
00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:00,755
Hi, good morning, everyone.

943
00:29:00,755 --> 00:29:02,790
And thank you for your time

944
00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:03,991
today. My name is Cat Grant.

945
00:29:03,991 --> 00:29:04,625
I am an attorney from Pine

946
00:29:04,625 --> 00:29:05,259
Spock, llp, the Milwaukee

947
00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:07,659
chapter of the Democratic

948
00:29:08,296 --> 00:29:09,960
Socialists of America asked us

949
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,960
to research several key issues

950
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,734
of importance to the power to

951
00:29:13,734 --> 00:29:14,402
the people campaign. Today, I

952
00:29:14,402 --> 00:29:17,305
will be sharing our findings

953
00:29:17,305 --> 00:29:18,720
regarding the legal process

954
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,740
that the city of Milwaukee

955
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:21,875
would need to follow in order

956
00:29:21,875 --> 00:29:22,609
to acquire the we energies

957
00:29:22,609 --> 00:29:25,900
facilities, the process through

958
00:29:25,913 --> 00:29:26,981
which such facilities would

959
00:29:26,981 --> 00:29:27,615
be evaluated and the

960
00:29:27,615 --> 00:29:28,282
feasibility of protecting

961
00:29:28,282 --> 00:29:30,682
workers organizing rights by

962
00:29:31,418 --> 00:29:32,119
contracting with a third-party

963
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,221
managing entity given the size

964
00:29:34,221 --> 00:29:35,522
and scale of this proposal, it

965
00:29:35,522 --> 00:29:36,223
is incredibly important to note

966
00:29:36,223 --> 00:29:38,625
that there are several topics

967
00:29:38,625 --> 00:29:40,694
outside of the scope of what I

968
00:29:40,694 --> 00:29:41,962
will be speaking on today.

969
00:29:41,962 --> 00:29:43,964
That would require further

970
00:29:43,964 --> 00:29:45,932
research and more details on

971
00:29:45,932 --> 00:29:47,330
the topics that will be

972
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:47,734
discussing today as well as

973
00:29:47,734 --> 00:29:50,734
citations are available in the

974
00:29:51,171 --> 00:29:53,400
memo that has been submitted

975
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,108
for public record. So the city

976
00:29:54,108 --> 00:29:56,376
can acquire facilities like

977
00:29:56,376 --> 00:29:58,311
those of we energies through

978
00:29:58,311 --> 00:29:59,445
one of 2 processes. You can go

979
00:29:59,445 --> 00:30:00,113
through condemnation or

980
00:30:00,113 --> 00:30:02,513
negotiated purchase for the

981
00:30:03,517 --> 00:30:04,250
condemnation option. The city

982
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:06,620
would first need to hold a

983
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:08,555
public referendum to even

984
00:30:08,555 --> 00:30:10,657
approved the acquisition of the

985
00:30:10,657 --> 00:30:11,791
parts of the utilities property

986
00:30:11,791 --> 00:30:13,993
that are currently already used

987
00:30:13,993 --> 00:30:14,961
for the benefit of the public,

988
00:30:14,961 --> 00:30:15,695
including utility

989
00:30:15,695 --> 00:30:18,950
infrastructure. This means that

990
00:30:19,899 --> 00:30:20,933
the city would not legally be

991
00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:22,802
able to acquire any of the

992
00:30:22,802 --> 00:30:23,536
facilities or equipment that

993
00:30:23,536 --> 00:30:26,536
are not actively currently used

994
00:30:26,672 --> 00:30:28,808
for the benefit of the citizens

995
00:30:28,808 --> 00:30:29,642
of the city of Milwaukee.

996
00:30:29,642 --> 00:30:30,310
Following that referendum.

997
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:32,312
The next steps depend on the

998
00:30:32,312 --> 00:30:35,181
date that the utility was

999
00:30:35,181 --> 00:30:36,983
issued. It's indeterminate

1000
00:30:36,983 --> 00:30:39,510
permit if that permit was

1001
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:41,200
issued before JULY. 11th 19, 0,

1002
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,121
7, the city would then need to

1003
00:30:42,121 --> 00:30:43,456
initiate a lawsuit in circuit

1004
00:30:43,456 --> 00:30:47,560
court and prove that the taking

1005
00:30:47,426 --> 00:30:48,460
as necessary and necessary here

1006
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:49,294
does not mean it immediately

1007
00:30:49,294 --> 00:30:50,663
has to happen or the world is

1008
00:30:50,663 --> 00:30:53,532
going to explode and there will

1009
00:30:53,532 --> 00:30:55,932
be no more electricity

1010
00:30:56,335 --> 00:30:58,237
necessary here just means more

1011
00:30:58,237 --> 00:30:58,937
beneficial than not

1012
00:30:58,937 --> 00:31:00,937
essentially. However, if

1013
00:31:01,974 --> 00:31:03,876
indeterminate permit was issued

1014
00:31:03,876 --> 00:31:05,444
after JULY, 11th 19, 0, 7, the

1015
00:31:05,444 --> 00:31:06,111
utility is legally considered

1016
00:31:06,111 --> 00:31:08,413
to have already consented to

1017
00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:10,416
the process. That follows after

1018
00:31:10,416 --> 00:31:12,284
the referendum and the city

1019
00:31:12,284 --> 00:31:14,486
would not need to initiate a

1020
00:31:14,486 --> 00:31:15,454
lawsuit. It's currently unclear

1021
00:31:15,454 --> 00:31:16,655
in our research what year the

1022
00:31:16,655 --> 00:31:17,422
permit that we energies

1023
00:31:17,422 --> 00:31:19,822
operates under was issued.

1024
00:31:20,425 --> 00:31:21,920
But the company that we

1025
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:21,793
energies traces its roots to

1026
00:31:21,793 --> 00:31:24,193
obtained its independence or

1027
00:31:25,864 --> 00:31:27,899
it's indeterminate permit in

1028
00:31:27,899 --> 00:31:28,633
1911, if this were later permit

1029
00:31:28,633 --> 00:31:30,702
is the one currently used by we

1030
00:31:30,702 --> 00:31:33,504
energies than the court action

1031
00:31:33,504 --> 00:31:34,205
is not necessary. Regardless

1032
00:31:34,205 --> 00:31:34,906
of any court action, the city

1033
00:31:34,906 --> 00:31:38,506
would then be required to give

1034
00:31:39,544 --> 00:31:40,278
speedy notice to the Public

1035
00:31:40,278 --> 00:31:43,181
Service commission. There is no

1036
00:31:43,181 --> 00:31:45,450
legally specified timeline as

1037
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:46,517
to what counts a speedy.

1038
00:31:46,517 --> 00:31:48,486
At this point. The Public

1039
00:31:48,486 --> 00:31:49,387
Service Commission would hold a

1040
00:31:49,387 --> 00:31:52,387
hearing to determine the amount

1041
00:31:52,457 --> 00:31:53,157
of just compensation that the

1042
00:31:53,157 --> 00:31:55,726
city must pay the utility and

1043
00:31:55,726 --> 00:31:56,394
any other terms and conditions

1044
00:31:56,394 --> 00:31:59,297
of the purchase parties must

1045
00:31:59,297 --> 00:32:00,980
receive 30 days. Notice of that

1046
00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:00,765
hearing.

1047
00:32:00,765 --> 00:32:02,800
At some point following that

1048
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,468
hearing, the psc would issue

1049
00:32:03,468 --> 00:32:05,868
its order and certification

1050
00:32:07,271 --> 00:32:07,872
and the title would vest in

1051
00:32:07,872 --> 00:32:09,273
the municipality. I will

1052
00:32:09,273 --> 00:32:10,410
provide more specific

1053
00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:12,242
information on how compensation

1054
00:32:12,242 --> 00:32:14,780
is determined a little bit

1055
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:14,745
further in this presentation.

1056
00:32:14,745 --> 00:32:18,345
Any party MAY appeal the pse

1057
00:32:18,382 --> 00:32:19,160
order through the circuit court

1058
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,319
after it has come down and

1059
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:23,254
following that decision, if for

1060
00:32:23,254 --> 00:32:24,221
some reason the city or its

1061
00:32:24,221 --> 00:32:26,323
citizens decide actually, we

1062
00:32:26,323 --> 00:32:27,570
don't want to do this. There

1063
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:29,427
is a 90 day period in which the

1064
00:32:29,427 --> 00:32:30,930
city through resolution or the

1065
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:32,930
citizens through referendum

1066
00:32:32,696 --> 00:32:34,696
could discontinue a

1067
00:32:35,666 --> 00:32:36,733
condemnation. Alternatively, to

1068
00:32:36,733 --> 00:32:37,667
that process, the city could

1069
00:32:37,667 --> 00:32:40,670
acquire we energies property

1070
00:32:41,672 --> 00:32:43,106
through a negotiated purchase

1071
00:32:43,106 --> 00:32:43,707
Milwaukee is in a unique

1072
00:32:43,707 --> 00:32:46,107
position legally here as

1073
00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:48,410
Wisconsin's only certified

1074
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:49,780
first class city, Milwaukee can

1075
00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:51,815
enter into a contract with we

1076
00:32:51,815 --> 00:32:53,383
energies that provides for

1077
00:32:53,383 --> 00:32:54,384
amongst many other options.

1078
00:32:54,384 --> 00:32:58,288
The purchase of all or any part

1079
00:32:58,288 --> 00:32:58,989
of the utilities property by

1080
00:32:58,989 --> 00:33:02,292
the city in order for any kind

1081
00:33:02,292 --> 00:33:03,693
of contract of that nature to

1082
00:33:03,693 --> 00:33:05,862
be binding, it would need to be

1083
00:33:05,862 --> 00:33:07,630
agreed to by the Common

1084
00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:07,664
Council, the utility, the psc

1085
00:33:07,664 --> 00:33:10,600
and the majority of the

1086
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,534
electorate through a

1087
00:33:11,534 --> 00:33:13,403
referendum.

1088
00:33:13,403 --> 00:33:15,138
If the city didn't want to use

1089
00:33:15,138 --> 00:33:17,707
this option, that uniquely has

1090
00:33:17,707 --> 00:33:19,676
there is a statutory mechanism

1091
00:33:19,676 --> 00:33:22,178
that any city in Wisconsin I

1092
00:33:22,178 --> 00:33:23,546
can use for the voluntary sale

1093
00:33:23,546 --> 00:33:24,180
by the utility to any

1094
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:26,580
municipality, the city and

1095
00:33:27,417 --> 00:33:28,117
utility would need to come to a

1096
00:33:28,117 --> 00:33:31,117
mutual agreement on price and

1097
00:33:31,554 --> 00:33:34,490
all other terms and conditions

1098
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:35,524
of the sale. The city has the

1099
00:33:35,524 --> 00:33:37,226
option to pay for the property

1100
00:33:37,226 --> 00:33:39,128
from its general fund or the

1101
00:33:39,128 --> 00:33:40,429
proceeds of municipal

1102
00:33:40,429 --> 00:33:42,429
obligations, including revenue

1103
00:33:42,531 --> 00:33:44,000
Bonds. The Common Council would

1104
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,868
then need to hold a regular

1105
00:33:45,868 --> 00:33:47,436
meeting preceded by one week

1106
00:33:47,436 --> 00:33:49,400
of official newspaper. Notice

1107
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:49,705
and adopt a resolution

1108
00:33:49,705 --> 00:33:52,105
specifying the payment method

1109
00:33:53,142 --> 00:33:56,142
and submitting approval for the

1110
00:33:56,178 --> 00:33:57,112
purchase, too public referendum

1111
00:33:57,112 --> 00:33:59,148
if the referendum succeeded,

1112
00:33:59,148 --> 00:34:02,117
the city would then proceed to

1113
00:34:02,117 --> 00:34:03,185
purchase the utility property.

1114
00:34:03,185 --> 00:34:04,530
Now I want to know a key

1115
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:06,121
distinction there with the

1116
00:34:06,121 --> 00:34:07,155
condemnation process. The

1117
00:34:07,155 --> 00:34:07,823
referendum comes first with the

1118
00:34:07,823 --> 00:34:10,223
negotiates its sale option.

1119
00:34:10,458 --> 00:34:13,458
The referendum comes after all

1120
00:34:13,762 --> 00:34:16,264
of the other aspects have been

1121
00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:17,132
determined.

1122
00:34:17,132 --> 00:34:17,833
Most likely the city of

1123
00:34:17,833 --> 00:34:20,435
Milwaukee would be required to

1124
00:34:20,435 --> 00:34:22,270
install a seven-person board

1125
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:23,138
of directors by mayoral

1126
00:34:23,138 --> 00:34:25,538
appointment and Common Council

1127
00:34:26,441 --> 00:34:28,576
approval, which could then

1128
00:34:28,576 --> 00:34:30,846
appoint its own managers.

1129
00:34:30,846 --> 00:34:31,513
Moving on from that particular

1130
00:34:31,513 --> 00:34:33,548
set of procedures that would

1131
00:34:33,548 --> 00:34:34,449
MR. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I'm

1132
00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:35,149
so sorry. I had a I think I

1133
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:35,850
want to clarify something for

1134
00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:37,652
the for the eyes. And can you

1135
00:34:37,652 --> 00:34:38,319
can tell me if I'm if I'm

1136
00:34:38,319 --> 00:34:40,655
incorrect in this, but as we

1137
00:34:40,655 --> 00:34:41,656
were talking about franchises,

1138
00:34:41,656 --> 00:34:42,824
an indeterminate permits, they

1139
00:34:42,824 --> 00:34:44,225
would just be clear that in

1140
00:34:44,225 --> 00:34:44,826
some states not in Wisconsin,

1141
00:34:44,826 --> 00:34:46,270
but in some states, the

1142
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:48,427
municipality actually has a

1143
00:34:48,429 --> 00:34:50,365
chance to enter into a contract

1144
00:34:50,365 --> 00:34:52,366
with the incumbent utility

1145
00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:53,868
particular on a regular basis.

1146
00:34:53,868 --> 00:34:54,502
And so looking Illinois,

1147
00:34:54,502 --> 00:34:56,370
Chicago with Con Ed, they

1148
00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:57,370
haven't caught. The city has a

1149
00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:59,874
contract with them. We don't

1150
00:34:59,874 --> 00:35:02,874
have that option here because

1151
00:35:02,977 --> 00:35:04,145
of what cat has sided with

1152
00:35:04,145 --> 00:35:04,745
Chapter one 97. We We don't

1153
00:35:04,745 --> 00:35:06,314
have any sort of regular

1154
00:35:06,314 --> 00:35:08,515
negotiation period with them on

1155
00:35:08,515 --> 00:35:09,490
like Colorado, where Illinois

1156
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:10,684
we energies has this

1157
00:35:10,684 --> 00:35:12,684
indeterminate permit, which

1158
00:35:14,555 --> 00:35:16,723
means that they have a right by

1159
00:35:16,723 --> 00:35:18,759
law to operate the utility in

1160
00:35:18,759 --> 00:35:20,627
this in this area indefinitely,

1161
00:35:20,627 --> 00:35:21,862
unless we as a city take action

1162
00:35:21,862 --> 00:35:22,696
to usurp them. Is that correct?

1163
00:35:22,696 --> 00:35:24,331
Cat? And yes, that is correct.

1164
00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:24,999
Okay. Thank you. So I just want

1165
00:35:24,999 --> 00:35:25,599
to clear about that. That's

1166
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:26,233
what we're dealing with.

1167
00:35:26,233 --> 00:35:27,634
A determined permits. The

1168
00:35:27,634 --> 00:35:28,269
franchises like in California.

1169
00:35:28,269 --> 00:35:29,336
We're not something that's

1170
00:35:29,336 --> 00:35:30,370
within our legal wheel house

1171
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,400
unless we get the law changed.

1172
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,400
But that's just want to make

1173
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,243
sure that that was that that

1174
00:35:36,243 --> 00:35:36,910
was clear. And I just want to

1175
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:38,378
also confirmed can't because

1176
00:35:38,378 --> 00:35:39,579
some people you want a

1177
00:35:39,579 --> 00:35:40,247
precondition, this effort on

1178
00:35:40,247 --> 00:35:41,982
knowing exactly every single

1179
00:35:41,982 --> 00:35:42,649
penny that will have to pay

1180
00:35:42,649 --> 00:35:44,649
for we energies,

1181
00:35:47,387 --> 00:35:48,455
infrastructure. I think you

1182
00:35:48,455 --> 00:35:50,323
stated in your that the psc and

1183
00:35:50,323 --> 00:35:52,459
I think was also referring to

1184
00:35:52,459 --> 00:35:54,527
the pier are in memo. But the

1185
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:55,950
psc doesn't do hearings on

1186
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:57,950
hypotheticals. That is

1187
00:35:57,397 --> 00:35:58,640
incorrect. They're not

1188
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,500
interested in just doing the

1189
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:01,201
co. Let's flip that. Whoever

1190
00:36:01,201 --> 00:36:01,835
whatever cities fancying this.

1191
00:36:01,835 --> 00:36:02,535
Let's just hold it. Just a

1192
00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:03,170
six-month hearing process for

1193
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:06,170
on vacation. They don't do

1194
00:36:06,606 --> 00:36:07,240
that. We have to vote yes to

1195
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:08,441
move forward before. We'll

1196
00:36:08,441 --> 00:36:09,750
determine valuation. Yes, that

1197
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:09,776
is the statute currently.

1198
00:36:09,776 --> 00:36:11,110
Okay. Yeah. That's the country

1199
00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:12,612
were under okay thing, right?

1200
00:36:12,612 --> 00:36:13,313
And that's simply, you know,

1201
00:36:13,313 --> 00:36:15,181
for the sake of the psc in the

1202
00:36:15,181 --> 00:36:17,250
administrative burden that that

1203
00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:19,619
would place on it. Obviously

1204
00:36:19,619 --> 00:36:20,319
they do not have the time and

1205
00:36:20,319 --> 00:36:23,222
resources to do the evaluation

1206
00:36:23,222 --> 00:36:24,557
process for things that might

1207
00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:26,557
not happen.

1208
00:36:27,593 --> 00:36:28,594
So yeah, when we can move on to

1209
00:36:28,594 --> 00:36:30,620
the issue of valuation,

1210
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:30,830
actually. So the best like I

1211
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,498
said, the pse can only

1212
00:36:32,498 --> 00:36:35,498
determine the fair price for

1213
00:36:36,468 --> 00:36:37,737
the property after a referendum

1214
00:36:37,737 --> 00:36:40,737
already taken place. So first,

1215
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,974
the psc would need to consider

1216
00:36:41,974 --> 00:36:42,641
previous sales of a similar

1217
00:36:42,641 --> 00:36:45,878
nature. Look at the price in

1218
00:36:45,878 --> 00:36:47,713
terms of any good faith sailed

1219
00:36:47,713 --> 00:36:48,581
comparable property. So they

1220
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:50,449
factor in things like situation

1221
00:36:50,449 --> 00:36:52,449
usability improvements that

1222
00:36:52,651 --> 00:36:53,452
have been made to the

1223
00:36:53,452 --> 00:36:54,520
facilities and other

1224
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,254
characteristics looking at

1225
00:36:55,254 --> 00:36:55,954
those previous sales that would

1226
00:36:55,954 --> 00:36:58,323
create basically a reasonable

1227
00:36:58,323 --> 00:37:00,425
belief that it is, in fact,

1228
00:37:00,425 --> 00:37:02,127
a comparable to the sale that

1229
00:37:02,127 --> 00:37:04,496
we would be discussing in this

1230
00:37:04,496 --> 00:37:06,598
case. The psc would then also

1231
00:37:06,598 --> 00:37:08,500
evaluate any appraisals offered

1232
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:09,468
by both parties. So that would

1233
00:37:09,468 --> 00:37:10,769
be and appraisal by the city as

1234
00:37:10,769 --> 00:37:12,571
well as an appraisal from we

1235
00:37:12,571 --> 00:37:16,171
energies in this case and it

1236
00:37:16,208 --> 00:37:18,777
would take those into account

1237
00:37:18,777 --> 00:37:19,411
in making its final decision.

1238
00:37:19,411 --> 00:37:21,811
Generally, though, the psc

1239
00:37:21,913 --> 00:37:22,581
historically seems to take an

1240
00:37:22,581 --> 00:37:23,882
approach to valuation. That

1241
00:37:23,882 --> 00:37:27,482
takes the average of 2 sons and

1242
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:30,121
they have kind of confusing

1243
00:37:30,121 --> 00:37:32,900
the Inc. So you have the

1244
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,900
trended historical cost

1245
00:37:35,294 --> 00:37:35,794
depreciated and the

1246
00:37:35,794 --> 00:37:37,429
reproduction cost

1247
00:37:37,429 --> 00:37:38,930
new depreciated so that trended

1248
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:40,930
historical cost appreciated.

1249
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,667
That takes the amount that the

1250
00:37:42,667 --> 00:37:45,670
facilities and equipment and

1251
00:37:46,638 --> 00:37:49,541
the land that is currently

1252
00:37:49,541 --> 00:37:51,409
there how much that cost to

1253
00:37:51,409 --> 00:37:52,110
build in purchase at the

1254
00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:52,743
historical moment that those

1255
00:37:52,743 --> 00:37:55,143
facilities were built. The

1256
00:37:55,313 --> 00:37:58,249
equipment was bought. The land

1257
00:37:58,249 --> 00:38:01,319
was bought. And then that cost

1258
00:38:01,319 --> 00:38:02,860
is adjusted for inflation.

1259
00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:02,820
Using a guy like the Handy

1260
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:05,490
Whitman Index of public utility

1261
00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:06,223
construction costs. Now they

1262
00:38:06,223 --> 00:38:08,260
don't have to use that specific

1263
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:11,162
guide, but that is a guy that

1264
00:38:11,162 --> 00:38:14,164
they have used in the past.

1265
00:38:14,164 --> 00:38:16,670
That number is then reduced to

1266
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:17,100
reflect the normal expected

1267
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,103
deterioration of equipment over

1268
00:38:19,103 --> 00:38:21,705
an average service like in

1269
00:38:21,705 --> 00:38:23,674
their metrics that they use for

1270
00:38:23,674 --> 00:38:24,708
that as well. The second number

1271
00:38:24,708 --> 00:38:26,708
reproduction cost new

1272
00:38:27,578 --> 00:38:29,580
depreciated then takes what it

1273
00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:30,814
would currently cost right now

1274
00:38:30,814 --> 00:38:34,850
today to build an exact replica

1275
00:38:34,850 --> 00:38:34,785
of the existing facilities as

1276
00:38:34,785 --> 00:38:38,722
well as the land. If you used

1277
00:38:38,722 --> 00:38:39,823
the same materials and the same

1278
00:38:39,823 --> 00:38:41,458
historical methods to produce

1279
00:38:41,458 --> 00:38:44,761
that same type of facility so

1280
00:38:44,761 --> 00:38:46,530
they would not be using the

1281
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:47,970
most updated

1282
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:47,764
most efficient way of

1283
00:38:47,764 --> 00:38:49,499
construction. Anything like

1284
00:38:49,499 --> 00:38:50,167
that, that they would look at

1285
00:38:50,167 --> 00:38:50,834
those old methods, how they

1286
00:38:50,834 --> 00:38:54,104
were built and apply that to

1287
00:38:54,104 --> 00:38:54,704
things like labor charges of

1288
00:38:54,704 --> 00:38:55,405
material charges as they

1289
00:38:55,405 --> 00:38:58,208
currently exist at this moment

1290
00:38:58,208 --> 00:39:01,208
instead of a statistical model.

1291
00:39:01,611 --> 00:39:02,745
I they then again reduce that

1292
00:39:02,745 --> 00:39:03,914
number. So they take that based

1293
00:39:03,914 --> 00:39:06,749
number. And then they reduce it

1294
00:39:06,749 --> 00:39:07,650
by the age of the equipment and

1295
00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:10,650
other facilities based again on

1296
00:39:11,621 --> 00:39:12,288
that same statistical model of

1297
00:39:12,288 --> 00:39:12,989
average service life. These

1298
00:39:12,989 --> 00:39:15,858
2 values are then averaged to

1299
00:39:15,858 --> 00:39:17,760
determine what the reasonable

1300
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,694
purchase price would be.

1301
00:39:18,694 --> 00:39:20,297
If any of the equipment or

1302
00:39:20,297 --> 00:39:21,130
facilities have significant

1303
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:23,530
damage beyond what those

1304
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:24,934
statistical models of

1305
00:39:24,934 --> 00:39:27,334
depreciation would reflect the

1306
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:31,370
psc can then further reduce

1307
00:39:31,941 --> 00:39:32,775
that cost based on that level

1308
00:39:32,775 --> 00:39:36,375
of damage. I'm now there are

1309
00:39:36,812 --> 00:39:38,781
some complications here because

1310
00:39:38,781 --> 00:39:39,882
the city would not be acquiring

1311
00:39:39,882 --> 00:39:41,917
we energies and its entirety.

1312
00:39:41,917 --> 00:39:42,851
We energy serves a large

1313
00:39:42,851 --> 00:39:44,851
portion of southeastern

1314
00:39:45,454 --> 00:39:46,155
Wisconsin. So this would only

1315
00:39:46,155 --> 00:39:49,755
be a person taking there does

1316
00:39:50,158 --> 00:39:50,993
seem historically from the psc

1317
00:39:50,993 --> 00:39:52,395
to be a distinction that is

1318
00:39:52,395 --> 00:39:55,395
made between property. That is

1319
00:39:56,832 --> 00:39:57,799
part of a utility system in

1320
00:39:57,799 --> 00:40:00,702
its entirety as opposed to

1321
00:40:00,702 --> 00:40:02,571
property that is used to serve

1322
00:40:02,571 --> 00:40:04,773
each of the separate public

1323
00:40:04,773 --> 00:40:05,641
utilities operated by the

1324
00:40:05,641 --> 00:40:08,900
company. Any property that is

1325
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:08,744
used to serve another

1326
00:40:08,744 --> 00:40:11,144
community. In addition to

1327
00:40:11,246 --> 00:40:13,215
Milwaukee under at least one

1328
00:40:13,215 --> 00:40:15,150
other indeterminate permit

1329
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:15,851
would likely be considered

1330
00:40:15,851 --> 00:40:18,851
system property and would not

1331
00:40:19,287 --> 00:40:21,156
be eligible for acquisition

1332
00:40:21,156 --> 00:40:22,123
and excluded from the potential

1333
00:40:22,123 --> 00:40:22,691
valuation. This could be

1334
00:40:22,691 --> 00:40:24,691
addressed through the

1335
00:40:24,926 --> 00:40:26,595
establishment of the municipal

1336
00:40:26,595 --> 00:40:27,262
power district involving other

1337
00:40:27,262 --> 00:40:27,929
municipalities. But for the

1338
00:40:27,929 --> 00:40:29,797
sake of time, I will not go

1339
00:40:29,797 --> 00:40:30,499
into the details of that

1340
00:40:30,499 --> 00:40:33,468
process. You can find further

1341
00:40:33,468 --> 00:40:35,303
details of that in the memo.

1342
00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:37,338
Up. So in terms of actually

1343
00:40:37,338 --> 00:40:39,738
paying for the acquisition,

1344
00:40:40,308 --> 00:40:41,309
the city would most likely want

1345
00:40:41,309 --> 00:40:42,343
to use revenue bonds to finance

1346
00:40:42,343 --> 00:40:43,244
it as opposed to general

1347
00:40:43,244 --> 00:40:45,446
obligation, bonds, which are

1348
00:40:45,446 --> 00:40:48,446
backed by the general tax

1349
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:51,650
revenues such as property

1350
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:53,210
income or sales tax revenue.

1351
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:56,157
Bonds are backed by the funds

1352
00:40:56,157 --> 00:40:57,580
from the electric rates.

1353
00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:58,225
And that is what finances those

1354
00:40:58,225 --> 00:40:58,859
bonds. That means that the

1355
00:40:58,859 --> 00:41:01,259
revenue collected from the

1356
00:41:04,532 --> 00:41:05,666
utility itself would pay for

1357
00:41:05,666 --> 00:41:07,134
the acquisition. I this is

1358
00:41:07,134 --> 00:41:09,803
permissible, but the psc does

1359
00:41:09,803 --> 00:41:11,806
set the amount that utility

1360
00:41:11,806 --> 00:41:12,573
can collect from those rates.

1361
00:41:12,573 --> 00:41:16,173
That's based on the value of

1362
00:41:16,276 --> 00:41:18,145
the utilities, capital assets

1363
00:41:18,145 --> 00:41:18,812
at original cost minus

1364
00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:20,812
depreciation. Utilities are

1365
00:41:22,516 --> 00:41:24,117
typically only able to recover

1366
00:41:24,117 --> 00:41:27,117
rate of return about 6 to 7%.

1367
00:41:27,421 --> 00:41:27,754
And the depreciation on their

1368
00:41:27,754 --> 00:41:29,754
assets.

1369
00:41:30,891 --> 00:41:31,859
Once the city has acquired a

1370
00:41:31,859 --> 00:41:33,859
facility.

1371
00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:36,463
We then run into the problem

1372
00:41:36,463 --> 00:41:37,631
of it were to run into the

1373
00:41:37,631 --> 00:41:38,298
facility directly. The utility

1374
00:41:38,298 --> 00:41:40,534
employees would likely have

1375
00:41:40,534 --> 00:41:42,102
their organizing rights

1376
00:41:42,102 --> 00:41:42,736
curtailed under act. 10.

1377
00:41:42,736 --> 00:41:45,136
There are however options

1378
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:46,873
available to avoid that

1379
00:41:46,873 --> 00:41:48,873
outcome.

1380
00:41:49,809 --> 00:41:51,411
Once the city has acquired a

1381
00:41:51,411 --> 00:41:52,145
utility, it could in theory.

1382
00:41:52,145 --> 00:41:55,145
Public utility plant to another

1383
00:41:55,515 --> 00:41:56,983
entity like a co-operative to

1384
00:41:56,983 --> 00:41:57,650
run it. But those cooperatives

1385
00:41:57,650 --> 00:42:00,500
are particularly well suited

1386
00:42:00,954 --> 00:42:01,921
for an urban municipality.

1387
00:42:01,921 --> 00:42:02,789
They're more common in rural

1388
00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:04,324
municipalities and it's

1389
00:42:04,324 --> 00:42:05,124
unlikely that the city would be

1390
00:42:05,124 --> 00:42:08,940
able to get the necessary

1391
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:09,729
approval from the psc for that

1392
00:42:09,729 --> 00:42:10,363
type of model. Again, for the

1393
00:42:10,363 --> 00:42:11,331
sake of time, I'll direct

1394
00:42:11,331 --> 00:42:14,331
everyone to the written memo

1395
00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:15,769
for more information on that

1396
00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:18,769
particular topic, a simpler and

1397
00:42:19,105 --> 00:42:19,806
much more likely way to avoid

1398
00:42:19,806 --> 00:42:21,607
the pitfalls of act. 10 might

1399
00:42:21,607 --> 00:42:22,375
be for the city to contract

1400
00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:24,775
with a third-party managing

1401
00:42:26,178 --> 00:42:28,247
entity to manage operations

1402
00:42:28,247 --> 00:42:28,948
and assets. The existing we

1403
00:42:28,948 --> 00:42:31,830
energies workforce would then

1404
00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:32,180
become employees of that 3rd

1405
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:34,418
party, managing entity and

1406
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:35,788
likely not fall under the

1407
00:42:35,788 --> 00:42:36,422
limitations of act. 10, this

1408
00:42:36,422 --> 00:42:37,890
strategy would create a

1409
00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:40,290
stronger possibility for the

1410
00:42:41,393 --> 00:42:43,228
protection of pensions and

1411
00:42:43,228 --> 00:42:45,970
other benefits that.

1412
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:47,970
The currently unionized.

1413
00:42:47,266 --> 00:42:47,966
We energies workforce has

1414
00:42:47,966 --> 00:42:48,700
access to now. There are a lot

1415
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:50,970
of complications regarding that

1416
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:52,971
and the obligations of a 3rd

1417
00:42:52,971 --> 00:42:54,940
party managing entity in that

1418
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:57,940
regard not addressed by this

1419
00:42:57,943 --> 00:42:59,611
memo. But I will say there is

1420
00:42:59,611 --> 00:43:00,312
nothing that prevents a 3rd

1421
00:43:00,312 --> 00:43:02,347
party entity from honoring the

1422
00:43:02,347 --> 00:43:03,215
collective bargaining agreement

1423
00:43:03,215 --> 00:43:04,820
currently held by the We

1424
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:06,482
Energies employees and the

1425
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,210
years of service of the current

1426
00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:09,654
unionized workforce. The city

1427
00:43:09,654 --> 00:43:12,525
enters into contracts on a

1428
00:43:12,525 --> 00:43:13,458
regular basis. Of course, for

1429
00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:14,592
a wide range of services,

1430
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:17,592
including but not limited to

1431
00:43:17,696 --> 00:43:19,631
construction maintenance

1432
00:43:19,631 --> 00:43:20,665
storage, towing health

1433
00:43:20,665 --> 00:43:22,768
services. It services so many

1434
00:43:22,768 --> 00:43:23,969
other things. This is a well

1435
00:43:23,969 --> 00:43:26,138
established process by the

1436
00:43:26,138 --> 00:43:27,439
city. There would need to be

1437
00:43:27,439 --> 00:43:28,600
a competitive bidding process

1438
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,406
that's run through the

1439
00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:33,342
purchasing division for the

1440
00:43:34,746 --> 00:43:35,813
city of Milwaukee. This project

1441
00:43:35,813 --> 00:43:37,782
would require that its be

1442
00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:38,783
advertised, sealed and opened

1443
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:39,484
at a public bid opening with

1444
00:43:39,484 --> 00:43:42,353
the final bit being awarded by

1445
00:43:42,353 --> 00:43:44,753
the city's purchasing director.

1446
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:47,325
Like any option. This one also

1447
00:43:47,325 --> 00:43:49,160
has complications to consider.

1448
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,229
It's unknown at this point what

1449
00:43:51,229 --> 00:43:53,229
businesses or organizations

1450
00:43:54,332 --> 00:43:55,433
currently exist that have the

1451
00:43:55,433 --> 00:43:57,168
expertise and resources to take

1452
00:43:57,168 --> 00:43:57,768
on a project of this scale.

1453
00:43:57,768 --> 00:43:59,690
If a group or establish

1454
00:43:59,690 --> 00:44:01,469
specifically for this purpose,

1455
00:44:02,206 --> 00:44:03,975
it would need to have the

1456
00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:04,675
capacity to take on operations

1457
00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:06,443
before ever being granted the

1458
00:44:06,443 --> 00:44:08,546
contract. It is also unknown

1459
00:44:08,546 --> 00:44:10,447
at this point how much such

1460
00:44:10,447 --> 00:44:12,216
a contract would cost the city

1461
00:44:12,216 --> 00:44:12,883
compared to direct management

1462
00:44:12,883 --> 00:44:16,483
has the final cost would be

1463
00:44:17,688 --> 00:44:18,322
determined by the bidding

1464
00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:20,324
process. As I stated my

1465
00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:21,258
research today only touches on

1466
00:44:21,258 --> 00:44:22,393
the key issues that I've

1467
00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:25,296
addressed above and does not

1468
00:44:25,296 --> 00:44:26,630
address other factors that we

1469
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:26,763
need to be considered nor does

1470
00:44:26,763 --> 00:44:29,163
it address other alternatives

1471
00:44:30,134 --> 00:44:32,200
outside of acquiring the we

1472
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,103
energies process. Given the

1473
00:44:33,103 --> 00:44:33,704
scale of this project again,

1474
00:44:33,704 --> 00:44:35,205
further research will be

1475
00:44:35,205 --> 00:44:38,205
required. Thank you all for

1476
00:44:38,308 --> 00:44:40,100
your time today. I'm happy to

1477
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:40,710
answer any questions. Thank you

1478
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:41,378
for that Questions at the end

1479
00:44:41,378 --> 00:44:42,112
of everybody public. I can.

1480
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:46,312
I can wait than all right, Jim,

1481
00:44:47,117 --> 00:44:47,818
we'll go to MISTER Rosenberg,

1482
00:44:47,818 --> 00:44:50,587
please. Thank you. Thanks for

1483
00:44:50,587 --> 00:44:53,587
the opportunity to do today.

1484
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:54,658
My name is Sam Rosenberg and I

1485
00:44:54,658 --> 00:44:57,580
am here representing the

1486
00:44:57,327 --> 00:44:57,927
more than 1700 members, 500 of

1487
00:44:57,927 --> 00:45:00,927
them in Milwaukee at the

1488
00:45:01,130 --> 00:45:01,798
International Brotherhood of

1489
00:45:01,798 --> 00:45:03,798
Electrical workers. Local 21

1490
00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:06,636
50, I'm also an operations

1491
00:45:06,636 --> 00:45:08,104
dispatcher at we energies.

1492
00:45:08,104 --> 00:45:10,606
I want to talk about

1493
00:45:10,606 --> 00:45:11,307
reliability members I represent

1494
00:45:11,307 --> 00:45:14,307
reliability is not a slogan.

1495
00:45:14,610 --> 00:45:15,678
It is the work we do every day

1496
00:45:15,678 --> 00:45:16,579
and every night.

1497
00:45:16,579 --> 00:45:18,314
It is the crews going out in

1498
00:45:18,314 --> 00:45:20,316
the cold and the storms and

1499
00:45:20,316 --> 00:45:20,983
emergencies to keep lights on.

1500
00:45:20,983 --> 00:45:23,886
Keep guests service safe and

1501
00:45:23,886 --> 00:45:26,886
get Milwaukee back up when

1502
00:45:28,524 --> 00:45:29,258
something goes wrong.

1503
00:45:29,258 --> 00:45:29,959
We saw this work in action

1504
00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:32,959
earlier this month when strong

1505
00:45:32,995 --> 00:45:33,596
storms and tornadoes hit

1506
00:45:33,596 --> 00:45:35,596
southeast Wisconsin. Our

1507
00:45:36,498 --> 00:45:38,670
members are star power. More

1508
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:38,734
than 80,000 customers. Some

1509
00:45:38,734 --> 00:45:39,335
cases crews had to rebuild a

1510
00:45:39,335 --> 00:45:41,337
major parts of the local

1511
00:45:41,337 --> 00:45:42,370
electrical system that were

1512
00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:44,974
badly damaged. There's a kind

1513
00:45:44,974 --> 00:45:47,974
of work with liability. Depends

1514
00:45:49,111 --> 00:45:49,745
on.

1515
00:45:49,745 --> 00:45:50,479
Ibew, local, 2050 strongly

1516
00:45:50,479 --> 00:45:53,150
opposes this municipal as a son

1517
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:53,649
proposal because it would put

1518
00:45:53,649 --> 00:45:56,490
that reliability at risk.

1519
00:45:57,850 --> 00:45:58,653
Milwaukee would not just be

1520
00:45:58,653 --> 00:45:59,354
taking or polls wires and

1521
00:45:59,354 --> 00:46:01,857
equipment the city would have

1522
00:46:01,857 --> 00:46:04,857
to recreate any tire utility

1523
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:07,280
operation from scratch. When

1524
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,662
storms hit, we energies can

1525
00:46:07,662 --> 00:46:09,664
move crews, trucks, poles,

1526
00:46:09,664 --> 00:46:10,365
transformers, wire materials,

1527
00:46:10,365 --> 00:46:12,765
and expertise across Wisconsin

1528
00:46:13,101 --> 00:46:15,501
to where they're needed.

1529
00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:17,710
Most. Milwaukee is not backed

1530
00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:17,773
up by one isolated shop is

1531
00:46:17,773 --> 00:46:20,175
backed up by a regional system

1532
00:46:20,175 --> 00:46:22,377
with people and experience

1533
00:46:22,377 --> 00:46:23,780
already in place. That is what

1534
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:25,413
reliability looks like in real

1535
00:46:25,413 --> 00:46:26,470
life. It means crews can be

1536
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:28,447
shifted across regions and

1537
00:46:29,417 --> 00:46:30,850
these materials can be found to

1538
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:30,819
move quickly. And these gas

1539
00:46:30,819 --> 00:46:33,288
and electric emergencies can be

1540
00:46:33,288 --> 00:46:36,288
coordinated at the same time.

1541
00:46:36,958 --> 00:46:37,625
And these dispatchers and

1542
00:46:37,625 --> 00:46:38,326
control room operators are

1543
00:46:38,326 --> 00:46:38,860
working with field crews who

1544
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:41,260
know the system, the

1545
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:43,431
neighborhoods, the equipment

1546
00:46:43,431 --> 00:46:44,432
and safety risks.

1547
00:46:44,432 --> 00:46:46,670
City-run utility would have to

1548
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:46,734
build all that while keeping

1549
00:46:46,734 --> 00:46:47,402
the lights on every day and

1550
00:46:47,402 --> 00:46:50,204
would have to hire and train

1551
00:46:50,204 --> 00:46:50,972
the workforce set up

1552
00:46:50,972 --> 00:46:52,972
dispatching. By maintain

1553
00:46:53,408 --> 00:46:54,242
equipment in his inventory,

1554
00:46:54,242 --> 00:46:56,344
build the supply chain, prepare

1555
00:46:56,344 --> 00:46:59,344
for storms and create regional

1556
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,315
backup support. There is not

1557
00:47:00,315 --> 00:47:03,915
quick and it is not cheap.

1558
00:47:04,252 --> 00:47:04,885
And it's not something Waukesha

1559
00:47:04,885 --> 00:47:05,587
Gamble on. And this is not

1560
00:47:05,587 --> 00:47:06,187
about we energies. This is an

1561
00:47:06,187 --> 00:47:08,489
issue that affects every

1562
00:47:08,489 --> 00:47:10,824
customer who expects heat on a

1563
00:47:10,824 --> 00:47:14,128
cold night. Our during a storm

1564
00:47:14,128 --> 00:47:15,596
in a fast response. And gas

1565
00:47:15,596 --> 00:47:17,596
emergency happens.

1566
00:47:17,698 --> 00:47:18,532
If the city breaks off

1567
00:47:18,532 --> 00:47:19,634
Milwaukee from we energies

1568
00:47:19,634 --> 00:47:21,202
statewide system, it also

1569
00:47:21,202 --> 00:47:22,200
breaks away from the people

1570
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,402
tools, materials and backup

1571
00:47:25,306 --> 00:47:25,673
support to help make service

1572
00:47:25,673 --> 00:47:27,673
reliable.

1573
00:47:28,476 --> 00:47:30,110
Our union workforce is proud of

1574
00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:30,611
what we do. These are highly

1575
00:47:30,611 --> 00:47:33,110
skilled union jobs bill.

1576
00:47:33,447 --> 00:47:35,447
10 years of training,

1577
00:47:36,183 --> 00:47:37,217
experience and safety.

1578
00:47:37,217 --> 00:47:38,752
Lineworkers gas crews,

1579
00:47:38,752 --> 00:47:39,386
dispatchers control room

1580
00:47:39,386 --> 00:47:40,854
operators, planners,

1581
00:47:40,854 --> 00:47:41,622
supervisors, mechanics,

1582
00:47:41,622 --> 00:47:44,220
warehouse workers and support

1583
00:47:44,925 --> 00:47:45,325
staff all work together as one

1584
00:47:45,325 --> 00:47:47,325
system.

1585
00:47:49,296 --> 00:47:49,930
If workers are forced into

1586
00:47:49,930 --> 00:47:51,264
uncertainty over pensions,

1587
00:47:51,264 --> 00:47:52,650
healthcare, seniority,

1588
00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:53,566
contracts and union

1589
00:47:53,566 --> 00:47:56,566
protections. Many MAY not move

1590
00:47:57,103 --> 00:47:57,737
to a city-run utility. They

1591
00:47:57,737 --> 00:47:58,405
have options. And if they

1592
00:47:58,405 --> 00:48:00,805
leave, Milwaukee loses more

1593
00:48:00,874 --> 00:48:01,608
than employees at loses.

1594
00:48:01,608 --> 00:48:05,208
The people. Who know the system

1595
00:48:05,678 --> 00:48:06,379
and know how to restore service

1596
00:48:06,379 --> 00:48:07,714
safely. At the end of the day

1597
00:48:07,714 --> 00:48:09,282
or liability is not created by

1598
00:48:09,282 --> 00:48:09,982
changing the name of the

1599
00:48:09,982 --> 00:48:12,982
utility. It's created by train

1600
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:15,355
workers backed by statewide

1601
00:48:15,355 --> 00:48:15,955
operation with crews. It's

1602
00:48:15,955 --> 00:48:17,955
equipment, materials and

1603
00:48:18,958 --> 00:48:19,659
experience to respond when

1604
00:48:19,659 --> 00:48:20,393
people need help. That is what

1605
00:48:20,393 --> 00:48:21,260
Milwaukee already has. And that

1606
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:23,663
is what this proposal puts at

1607
00:48:23,663 --> 00:48:26,966
risk. Thank you. Thank you for

1608
00:48:26,966 --> 00:48:30,200
the number. Okay. Next up is.

1609
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,972
We'll go away and is up.

1610
00:48:32,972 --> 00:48:35,575
Brian rigor from will not

1611
00:48:35,575 --> 00:48:37,575
waste.

1612
00:48:40,813 --> 00:48:41,480
Rigors. I just couldn't see

1613
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,147
Ation of Rodgers on Rodgers.

1614
00:48:42,147 --> 00:48:43,749
And that's our standard it.

1615
00:48:43,749 --> 00:48:47,850
And that's what our bring I

1616
00:48:47,850 --> 00:48:50,155
am grateful to be here this

1617
00:48:50,155 --> 00:48:52,155
morning.

1618
00:48:55,894 --> 00:48:56,461
It's a privilege being able

1619
00:48:56,461 --> 00:48:59,461
to serve as a vessel.

1620
00:48:59,798 --> 00:49:01,233
To bring the tree and

1621
00:49:01,233 --> 00:49:01,967
creativity and wisdom.

1622
00:49:01,967 --> 00:49:02,667
The moral imagination that

1623
00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:05,670
exudes from neighborhoods like

1624
00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:08,730
Lindsay Heights on the North

1625
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:08,807
side.

1626
00:49:08,807 --> 00:49:09,474
And to carry the into the halls

1627
00:49:09,474 --> 00:49:12,440
of power where decisions are

1628
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:12,778
made that quite literally in

1629
00:49:12,778 --> 00:49:15,778
quite immediately, in fact, the

1630
00:49:15,847 --> 00:49:16,314
lives of all of us that call

1631
00:49:16,314 --> 00:49:18,830
Milwaukee home.

1632
00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:21,353
And so the effects of those

1633
00:49:21,353 --> 00:49:23,353
decisions fall. Symmetrically.

1634
00:49:24,656 --> 00:49:25,857
On the city's hyper segregated

1635
00:49:25,857 --> 00:49:26,558
society.

1636
00:49:26,558 --> 00:49:27,125
Some decisions, shorten lives

1637
00:49:27,125 --> 00:49:29,525
in some places. Well,

1638
00:49:30,610 --> 00:49:32,461
lengthening them and others.

1639
00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:35,900
Improving lives here on this

1640
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,300
block, harming that lockdown

1641
00:49:39,103 --> 00:49:41,839
there. So it is the director of

1642
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:42,440
the Web. The Wisconsin Eagle,

1643
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,840
just his base buildings.

1644
00:49:45,376 --> 00:49:47,776
It's a statewide movement.

1645
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Infrastructure.

1646
00:49:50,815 --> 00:49:51,449
Operation.

1647
00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:52,183
That is seeking to expand

1648
00:49:52,183 --> 00:49:54,850
community self-determination by

1649
00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:55,553
strengthening the capacity of

1650
00:49:55,553 --> 00:49:56,420
Wisconsin residents to shape

1651
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:58,820
the systems. The institutions,

1652
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:01,825
the decisions that affect their

1653
00:50:01,825 --> 00:50:04,825
lives. How's that one away?

1654
00:50:04,895 --> 00:50:05,396
Conservation Corps? We're

1655
00:50:05,396 --> 00:50:05,997
focused on energy,

1656
00:50:05,997 --> 00:50:06,697
affordability, House and

1657
00:50:06,697 --> 00:50:08,697
justice, environmental health,

1658
00:50:09,767 --> 00:50:10,101
Democratic participation we can

1659
00:50:10,101 --> 00:50:12,101
use of.

1660
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:22,790
We're going to bring the

1661
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:22,579
Michael close for comfort of

1662
00:50:22,579 --> 00:50:24,579
their wheelchair.

1663
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:27,117
So I'm I'm from here point

1664
00:50:27,117 --> 00:50:27,785
raise my grandmother and her

1665
00:50:27,785 --> 00:50:29,520
children in Lindsay Heights.

1666
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,922
See, my father took care of her

1667
00:50:31,922 --> 00:50:32,623
in that same house. I'm told 15

1668
00:50:32,623 --> 00:50:35,358
was rights. Chief while father

1669
00:50:35,358 --> 00:50:38,358
who passed away earlier this

1670
00:50:39,196 --> 00:50:39,930
month. At the age of 76 was

1671
00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:41,498
living in the same room, but he

1672
00:50:41,498 --> 00:50:44,501
cared for her mother and she

1673
00:50:44,501 --> 00:50:46,770
died in. I'm at home is housed.

1674
00:50:46,770 --> 00:50:50,370
A lot. A lot of history.

1675
00:50:50,674 --> 00:50:52,675
A lot of promise. A lot of pain

1676
00:50:52,675 --> 00:50:53,309
and disappointment. And that

1677
00:50:53,309 --> 00:50:54,100
home belongs to 110 square

1678
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,778
block neighborhood of Lindsay

1679
00:50:55,778 --> 00:50:58,778
Heights that has been under

1680
00:51:02,850 --> 00:51:03,190
assault. Quietly. Pernicious

1681
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:03,486
For decades under watch by both

1682
00:51:03,486 --> 00:51:04,454
white and black

1683
00:51:04,454 --> 00:51:05,121
administrations, Democratic

1684
00:51:05,121 --> 00:51:06,756
and Republican leadership in

1685
00:51:06,756 --> 00:51:09,756
times of surplus and periods

1686
00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:11,161
of deficit. So I know what

1687
00:51:11,161 --> 00:51:11,794
killed my father.

1688
00:51:11,794 --> 00:51:13,997
In the disgraced ascension

1689
00:51:13,997 --> 00:51:17,300
money pit that doubles as a

1690
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:19,235
hospital. The bodily ailments

1691
00:51:19,235 --> 00:51:19,802
that plague his life.

1692
00:51:19,802 --> 00:51:21,802
Hyper chronic, chronic

1693
00:51:22,772 --> 00:51:24,506
hypertension ever. Predator

1694
00:51:24,506 --> 00:51:26,506
threats of diabetes.

1695
00:51:32,882 --> 00:51:33,916
It's a bit.

1696
00:51:33,916 --> 00:51:34,984
The threat of diabetes and

1697
00:51:34,984 --> 00:51:35,684
heart attack the asthma, the

1698
00:51:35,684 --> 00:51:38,684
actual stroke that he suffered

1699
00:51:38,988 --> 00:51:39,755
that rendered him blind for the

1700
00:51:39,755 --> 00:51:40,456
final 2 years of his life

1701
00:51:40,456 --> 00:51:42,456
underneath this physiological

1702
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:44,590
physical airlines, a deeper

1703
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:45,600
disease.

1704
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,929
In the body politic of a

1705
00:51:46,929 --> 00:51:48,864
society that would allow such a

1706
00:51:48,864 --> 00:51:49,398
man to lead such a life in such

1707
00:51:49,398 --> 00:51:52,398
a home inside such a

1708
00:51:54,804 --> 00:51:55,604
neighborhood of such a city.

1709
00:51:55,604 --> 00:51:56,271
Is this? So I'm here today to

1710
00:51:56,271 --> 00:51:56,872
discuss. I mean, this was a

1711
00:51:56,872 --> 00:51:58,207
shunt up to one of the 7

1712
00:51:58,207 --> 00:52:00,607
Wisconsin statutes they do

1713
00:52:01,276 --> 00:52:02,100
bring in to talk about data.

1714
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,880
They bring me and I presume for

1715
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,781
my rhetorical flourishing and

1716
00:52:05,781 --> 00:52:07,282
better one. Yeah, yeah.

1717
00:52:07,282 --> 00:52:07,883
But I want to begin suggesting

1718
00:52:07,883 --> 00:52:08,583
that the most important

1719
00:52:08,583 --> 00:52:12,183
question for us is not within

1720
00:52:12,988 --> 00:52:14,890
walking should only utility.

1721
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:14,756
The more powerful query,

1722
00:52:14,756 --> 00:52:15,457
perhaps as for the people of

1723
00:52:15,457 --> 00:52:17,857
Milwaukee, should have greater

1724
00:52:18,326 --> 00:52:18,960
power over the systems that

1725
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,661
shape the daily lives, its

1726
00:52:19,661 --> 00:52:21,661
conversations, ultimately not

1727
00:52:23,131 --> 00:52:25,467
about electric poles and wires.

1728
00:52:25,467 --> 00:52:27,301
Forgive me, sir.

1729
00:52:27,301 --> 00:52:28,570
It's not about substations and

1730
00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:30,371
transformers, utility planning

1731
00:52:30,371 --> 00:52:31,706
and accounting. If you're

1732
00:52:31,706 --> 00:52:32,374
paying even marginally close

1733
00:52:32,374 --> 00:52:35,276
attention, any of us to the

1734
00:52:35,276 --> 00:52:36,544
public these days, it is so

1735
00:52:36,544 --> 00:52:38,544
clearly about democracy.

1736
00:52:39,881 --> 00:52:43,510
It is so self evidently about

1737
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:45,510
public health.

1738
00:52:48,322 --> 00:52:49,560
Most obviously about economic

1739
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,456
justice and climate adaptation.

1740
00:52:52,827 --> 00:52:53,794
So is therefore not in the

1741
00:52:53,794 --> 00:52:54,962
least bit hyperbolic to suggest

1742
00:52:54,962 --> 00:52:55,863
that the central political

1743
00:52:55,863 --> 00:52:57,198
question a steak you today is

1744
00:52:57,198 --> 00:52:59,266
who gets to decide what kind

1745
00:52:59,266 --> 00:52:59,867
of future we build and then

1746
00:52:59,867 --> 00:53:01,902
have to call and have it

1747
00:53:01,902 --> 00:53:03,902
together before discussing

1748
00:53:04,805 --> 00:53:05,439
minutes. A position itself.

1749
00:53:05,439 --> 00:53:06,140
I think some of those with

1750
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:09,140
various an exciting fun forms,

1751
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:10,878
democracy can assume, indeed

1752
00:53:10,878 --> 00:53:12,146
has assumed since the earliest

1753
00:53:12,146 --> 00:53:14,546
record experiment in ancient

1754
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:15,683
Greece over 2500 years ago.

1755
00:53:15,683 --> 00:53:18,885
If if you will permit me.

1756
00:53:18,885 --> 00:53:21,555
Because there was this machine.

1757
00:53:21,555 --> 00:53:24,555
In Athens be a phenomenal

1758
00:53:24,858 --> 00:53:26,858
city-state. We're culture

1759
00:53:30,564 --> 00:53:31,298
science.

1760
00:53:31,298 --> 00:53:34,301
In Gora in Gora stands the

1761
00:53:34,301 --> 00:53:35,235
Terry and Machine. This was a

1762
00:53:35,235 --> 00:53:35,936
machine that looks pretty

1763
00:53:35,936 --> 00:53:38,336
unremarkable. But in the

1764
00:53:38,838 --> 00:53:42,900
context of ancient Greece was a

1765
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:43,430
central technology radical

1766
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:45,430
experiment in democracy.

1767
00:53:46,346 --> 00:53:47,130
This machine, a big rock with

1768
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:50,613
slabs and it slips in it.

1769
00:53:51,885 --> 00:53:52,820
Was the random selection

1770
00:53:52,820 --> 00:53:54,988
lottery. That put people into

1771
00:53:54,988 --> 00:53:56,988
office, administrative bodies

1772
00:53:58,291 --> 00:54:00,527
on governing agencies. Of

1773
00:54:00,527 --> 00:54:01,528
juries.

1774
00:54:01,528 --> 00:54:03,162
So what does that tell us?

1775
00:54:03,162 --> 00:54:03,797
Well, it says some things that

1776
00:54:03,797 --> 00:54:04,497
Plato and Aristotle other

1777
00:54:04,497 --> 00:54:06,897
political philosophers of the

1778
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
day. We're making very clear.

1779
00:54:11,371 --> 00:54:13,506
Clear argument in favor of if

1780
00:54:13,506 --> 00:54:14,941
you want a citizen the that can

1781
00:54:14,941 --> 00:54:15,675
manage and govern its own

1782
00:54:15,675 --> 00:54:17,277
affairs and to do so long, some

1783
00:54:17,277 --> 00:54:18,444
values that we can all agree

1784
00:54:18,444 --> 00:54:21,444
are common and ethical. Then

1785
00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:22,815
everybody has to be ready at

1786
00:54:22,815 --> 00:54:24,815
any point.

1787
00:54:27,353 --> 00:54:30,356
Elections would tend to and we

1788
00:54:30,356 --> 00:54:31,230
might say they have indeed 10

1789
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:31,757
towards hierarchy of power,

1790
00:54:31,757 --> 00:54:32,458
concentration by those who have

1791
00:54:32,458 --> 00:54:33,726
economic resources, those who

1792
00:54:33,726 --> 00:54:35,828
have education, those who are

1793
00:54:35,828 --> 00:54:38,828
well connected. In other words,

1794
00:54:39,131 --> 00:54:42,201
any one of us up here? To some

1795
00:54:42,201 --> 00:54:44,201
extent.

1796
00:54:45,304 --> 00:54:47,704
It's very different in

1797
00:54:48,707 --> 00:54:49,942
democracy. We have today.

1798
00:54:49,942 --> 00:54:50,509
I think we agree.

1799
00:54:50,509 --> 00:54:53,478
Now lets ask why this

1800
00:54:53,478 --> 00:54:55,781
conversation is emerging now.

1801
00:54:55,781 --> 00:54:58,217
Well, he did not suddenly wake

1802
00:54:58,217 --> 00:54:58,850
up one morning and decide to

1803
00:54:58,850 --> 00:55:00,652
be he's a chapter one. 97.

1804
00:55:00,652 --> 00:55:03,520
This conversation has been

1805
00:55:03,956 --> 00:55:06,956
occurring. For a long time.

1806
00:55:07,826 --> 00:55:10,826
Occurring within a much larger

1807
00:55:11,196 --> 00:55:11,896
social political economic and

1808
00:55:11,896 --> 00:55:12,531
ecological contexts. Everyone

1809
00:55:12,531 --> 00:55:15,366
is touched on them at some

1810
00:55:15,366 --> 00:55:16,168
point in the remarks this

1811
00:55:16,168 --> 00:55:16,835
morning.

1812
00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:18,670
Families struggling with the

1813
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:21,670
rising cost of living in

1814
00:55:21,973 --> 00:55:24,943
virtually every front. We are

1815
00:55:24,943 --> 00:55:25,977
living through in Arab,

1816
00:55:25,977 --> 00:55:26,578
expansive, expensive wars

1817
00:55:26,578 --> 00:55:28,978
abroad and a tightening

1818
00:55:29,514 --> 00:55:30,782
crushing austerity at home.

1819
00:55:30,782 --> 00:55:31,482
Homelessness in the city's

1820
00:55:31,482 --> 00:55:34,252
rises along with the deaths of

1821
00:55:34,252 --> 00:55:35,920
despair in the countryside.

1822
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,320
Now 2026, there's more wealth

1823
00:55:38,956 --> 00:55:41,192
being created than at any time

1824
00:55:41,192 --> 00:55:42,260
in history.

1825
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:43,595
The bloated stock markets do

1826
00:55:43,595 --> 00:55:47,195
not lie. It's been a steady

1827
00:55:47,532 --> 00:55:48,166
diet of resource extraction,

1828
00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:49,433
labor exploitation, profit

1829
00:55:49,433 --> 00:55:50,568
generation of private

1830
00:55:50,568 --> 00:55:51,635
accumulation accomplished

1831
00:55:51,635 --> 00:55:52,370
increasingly by means of the

1832
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:55,239
magic of I don't even know what

1833
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,376
the f is. Financial is a shun.

1834
00:55:59,376 --> 00:56:00,311
Communities are confronting

1835
00:56:00,311 --> 00:56:00,978
worsen. Climate impacts,

1836
00:56:00,978 --> 00:56:01,679
extreme weather flooding.

1837
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,548
Dangerous heat indeed. All of

1838
00:56:04,548 --> 00:56:05,249
earth's life support systems.

1839
00:56:05,249 --> 00:56:08,849
If we believe and fluidity in

1840
00:56:11,288 --> 00:56:11,989
the methodology of science.

1841
00:56:11,989 --> 00:56:13,791
Are being stretched either to

1842
00:56:13,791 --> 00:56:14,558
their breaking point or human

1843
00:56:14,558 --> 00:56:17,558
activity has already caused it

1844
00:56:17,861 --> 00:56:19,762
to surpass its planetary

1845
00:56:19,762 --> 00:56:20,364
boundaries.

1846
00:56:20,364 --> 00:56:23,233
So from data centers to

1847
00:56:23,233 --> 00:56:25,102
detention centers, foreign

1848
00:56:25,102 --> 00:56:27,271
wars, fbi files across the

1849
00:56:27,271 --> 00:56:28,205
nation, residents increasingly

1850
00:56:28,205 --> 00:56:29,173
feel that many of the most

1851
00:56:29,173 --> 00:56:30,740
consequential decisions

1852
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:32,420
affecting their lives are being

1853
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:33,244
made far away from the people

1854
00:56:33,244 --> 00:56:36,244
who must live with the

1855
00:56:36,547 --> 00:56:39,547
consequence and to know they're

1856
00:56:39,616 --> 00:56:40,317
making bank doing it.

1857
00:56:40,317 --> 00:56:42,286
So whether discussing housing,

1858
00:56:42,286 --> 00:56:44,286
healthcare, detention centers,

1859
00:56:44,287 --> 00:56:45,321
data centers, energy

1860
00:56:45,321 --> 00:56:45,889
infrastructure, environmental

1861
00:56:45,889 --> 00:56:46,557
permitting or economic

1862
00:56:46,557 --> 00:56:48,557
development, communities are

1863
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:50,794
increasingly asking the same

1864
00:56:50,794 --> 00:56:51,461
fundamental questions.

1865
00:56:51,461 --> 00:56:53,861
Across very different right

1866
00:56:54,164 --> 00:56:54,831
there. A mega Jason communities

1867
00:56:54,831 --> 00:56:56,366
that are asking very pointed

1868
00:56:56,366 --> 00:56:56,967
questions to their own mayor

1869
00:56:56,967 --> 00:56:58,234
and Port Washington. I

1870
00:56:58,234 --> 00:57:01,234
shouldn't say that about Port

1871
00:57:04,541 --> 00:57:05,609
Washington anyway, who governs?

1872
00:57:05,609 --> 00:57:06,309
Who benefits? Who bears the

1873
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:08,278
cost and who gets a meaningful

1874
00:57:08,278 --> 00:57:11,278
voice in the decisions that

1875
00:57:11,580 --> 00:57:14,284
shape the future. So what now?

1876
00:57:14,284 --> 00:57:16,352
The conversation that means

1877
00:57:16,352 --> 00:57:17,387
was a Shannan is simply one

1878
00:57:17,387 --> 00:57:19,288
expression of that broader

1879
00:57:19,288 --> 00:57:20,890
Democratic question. Again,

1880
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:21,557
2 which and the ancient

1881
00:57:21,557 --> 00:57:22,191
philosophers that we love to

1882
00:57:22,191 --> 00:57:23,759
lionized had very specific

1883
00:57:23,759 --> 00:57:26,159
concrete ideas and warnings

1884
00:57:27,897 --> 00:57:28,464
about. The so-called democracy

1885
00:57:28,464 --> 00:57:29,165
we enjoy. So from the

1886
00:57:29,165 --> 00:57:29,832
perspective of the communities

1887
00:57:29,832 --> 00:57:30,900
that web organizers with the

1888
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:32,900
current energy systems

1889
00:57:34,236 --> 00:57:35,137
experienced. Few affordability.

1890
00:57:35,137 --> 00:57:37,537
MR. Carpenter brought his

1891
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,440
literal bill to the hearing.

1892
00:57:43,379 --> 00:57:44,460
We don't encounter the utility

1893
00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:45,514
system. Some abstract policy

1894
00:57:45,514 --> 00:57:47,914
debate we encountered instead

1895
00:57:48,751 --> 00:57:49,685
through monthly bills.

1896
00:57:49,685 --> 00:57:50,385
Difficult choices between.

1897
00:57:50,385 --> 00:57:53,288
Any of the things that are way

1898
00:57:53,288 --> 00:57:54,389
too expensive that we need to

1899
00:57:54,389 --> 00:57:54,890
live.

1900
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:56,492
Longer than normal

1901
00:57:56,492 --> 00:57:58,892
disconnections due to aging

1902
00:58:00,495 --> 00:58:01,163
infrastructure. Poor

1903
00:58:01,163 --> 00:58:01,797
maintenance. The cascade of

1904
00:58:01,797 --> 00:58:04,797
shut offs that come every

1905
00:58:06,835 --> 00:58:08,170
spring to our own manufactured

1906
00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:10,271
poverty. To encounter it

1907
00:58:10,271 --> 00:58:10,906
intimately inadequately

1908
00:58:10,906 --> 00:58:11,506
insulated, housing, Asian

1909
00:58:11,506 --> 00:58:12,174
furnaces, unsafe indoor

1910
00:58:12,174 --> 00:58:14,574
temperatures in the constant

1911
00:58:15,443 --> 00:58:16,378
stress that comes from living.

1912
00:58:16,378 --> 00:58:18,413
One unexpected expense away

1913
00:58:18,413 --> 00:58:21,413
from crisis. To raise your

1914
00:58:22,183 --> 00:58:22,917
hand. If you are living one

1915
00:58:22,917 --> 00:58:24,352
x, unexpected expense away from

1916
00:58:24,352 --> 00:58:25,854
crisis in for Kerri Amaka look

1917
00:58:25,854 --> 00:58:27,822
back. But I imagine everybody's

1918
00:58:27,822 --> 00:58:28,456
hands are up behind thing.

1919
00:58:28,456 --> 00:58:31,659
I do not even have to turn

1920
00:58:31,659 --> 00:58:32,193
around in this so-called

1921
00:58:32,193 --> 00:58:34,193
democracy. We enjoy.

1922
00:58:35,163 --> 00:58:35,797
It's the overwhelming majority

1923
00:58:35,797 --> 00:58:38,733
of us. Whatever ms prevail

1924
00:58:38,733 --> 00:58:41,133
about the so-called middle

1925
00:58:41,335 --> 00:58:42,103
class.

1926
00:58:42,103 --> 00:58:45,406
We got the telling the story.

1927
00:58:45,406 --> 00:58:46,274
But, you know, we got the data

1928
00:58:46,274 --> 00:58:47,800
we've been in.

1929
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,411
I had this point. I don't know.

1930
00:58:50,411 --> 00:58:51,112
It doesn't dockets with the

1931
00:58:51,112 --> 00:58:52,680
psc from a very large customer

1932
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,347
tariffs. We work very closely

1933
00:58:53,347 --> 00:58:56,947
with pines by love me. Some

1934
00:58:57,952 --> 00:59:00,952
Chris and Eduardo props to

1935
00:59:01,922 --> 00:59:02,523
pines Buck. Rate cases.

1936
00:59:02,523 --> 00:59:03,190
Infrastructure dockets,

1937
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:04,859
affordability, investigation

1938
00:59:04,859 --> 00:59:05,793
dockets creating low-income

1939
00:59:05,793 --> 00:59:06,527
affordability program dockets.

1940
00:59:06,527 --> 00:59:09,363
You name it. The Public Service

1941
00:59:09,363 --> 00:59:11,763
Commission. Yeah, they're low

1942
00:59:12,666 --> 00:59:14,601
on resources. Or something like

1943
00:59:14,601 --> 00:59:16,470
that.

1944
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:17,538
The data shows the energy burns

1945
00:59:17,538 --> 00:59:19,206
are significantly higher in

1946
00:59:19,206 --> 00:59:19,840
many black brown in low-income

1947
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,474
neighborhoods and regional

1948
00:59:20,474 --> 00:59:22,474
averages, especially when

1949
00:59:23,177 --> 00:59:24,912
compared to white

1950
00:59:24,912 --> 00:59:25,445
neighborhoods.

1951
00:59:25,445 --> 00:59:26,146
Some communities now

1952
00:59:26,146 --> 00:59:28,546
householder spending with over

1953
00:59:28,682 --> 00:59:31,682
6% of their income on energy

1954
00:59:31,985 --> 00:59:34,985
costs. Some even upwards to

1955
00:59:35,550 --> 00:59:36,423
15, 20.

1956
00:59:36,423 --> 00:59:38,823
We shouldn't reduce the

1957
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:40,593
question of public ownership

1958
00:59:40,593 --> 00:59:41,294
to matter of technicality,

1959
00:59:41,294 --> 00:59:43,694
accounting or asset valuation,

1960
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:46,266
though, all those are important

1961
00:59:46,266 --> 00:59:48,680
questions.

1962
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:48,702
The spreadsheets the

1963
00:59:48,702 --> 00:59:49,402
engineering studies legal

1964
00:59:49,402 --> 00:59:51,700
procedures lies a much bolder

1965
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:53,390
and more fundamental question.

1966
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:55,439
Who should govern the

1967
00:59:56,343 --> 00:59:59,212
conditions of life? And that

1968
00:59:59,212 --> 01:00:01,147
means interest.

1969
01:00:01,147 --> 01:00:01,681
We know one way that it can

1970
01:00:01,681 --> 01:00:02,248
work because we are

1971
01:00:02,248 --> 01:00:03,316
experiencing it. We're

1972
01:00:03,316 --> 01:00:05,716
literally having a conversation

1973
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:06,986
about it because we're

1974
01:00:06,986 --> 01:00:07,620
experiencing it.

1975
01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:10,523
If it's in the interest of

1976
01:00:10,523 --> 01:00:12,523
profit, private accumulation.

1977
01:00:13,593 --> 01:00:14,293
Perhaps we might do something

1978
01:00:14,293 --> 01:00:16,162
else to guarantee the quality

1979
01:00:16,162 --> 01:00:18,162
provision of permanently

1980
01:00:18,431 --> 01:00:20,633
affordable. We're live on

1981
01:00:20,633 --> 01:00:23,633
fossil free energy. And they're

1982
01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:26,672
doing it everywhere. Thank you

1983
01:00:26,672 --> 01:00:27,506
for. Your example.

1984
01:00:27,506 --> 01:00:29,141
So it turns out we have learned

1985
01:00:29,141 --> 01:00:29,777
the hard way these objectives

1986
01:00:29,777 --> 01:00:31,777
are frequently intention.

1987
01:00:33,779 --> 01:00:34,513
You cannot identify maximum

1988
01:00:34,513 --> 01:00:35,981
shareholder returns or sorry,

1989
01:00:35,981 --> 01:00:36,615
enjoy indefinitely. Maximize

1990
01:00:36,615 --> 01:00:38,615
shareholder returns while

1991
01:00:39,551 --> 01:00:40,853
simultaneously minimizing costs

1992
01:00:40,853 --> 01:00:41,720
to households.

1993
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:42,254
You can prioritize. Quarterly

1994
01:00:42,254 --> 01:00:44,254
earnings will fully

1995
01:00:45,624 --> 01:00:46,625
prioritizing affordability.

1996
01:00:46,625 --> 01:00:47,860
You cannot build a system

1997
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:48,661
around the extraction of value

1998
01:00:48,661 --> 01:00:51,610
and expected to consistently

1999
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:51,697
produce equity, resilience and

2000
01:00:51,697 --> 01:00:53,697
Democratic accountability.

2001
01:00:54,666 --> 01:00:56,268
If in fact, we care about those

2002
01:00:56,268 --> 01:00:58,103
things.

2003
01:00:58,103 --> 01:00:58,704
For investor owned utilities.

2004
01:00:58,704 --> 01:00:59,371
The answer is constantly

2005
01:00:59,371 --> 01:01:01,730
constrained by the structure

2006
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:03,473
matter how dedicated their

2007
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:04,610
employees. How sincere their

2008
01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:06,610
intentions. They remain

2009
01:01:09,181 --> 01:01:09,714
obligated to generate returns

2010
01:01:09,714 --> 01:01:10,415
for investors. That

2011
01:01:10,415 --> 01:01:12,415
obligation shapes everything,

2012
01:01:12,984 --> 01:01:14,252
priorities, incentives,

2013
01:01:14,252 --> 01:01:14,819
decisions.

2014
01:01:14,819 --> 01:01:16,955
So the question before

2015
01:01:16,955 --> 01:01:17,622
Milwaukee is with an essential

2016
01:01:17,622 --> 01:01:18,256
service upon which every

2017
01:01:18,256 --> 01:01:20,256
household business school

2018
01:01:21,926 --> 01:01:22,894
hospital neighborhood depends

2019
01:01:22,894 --> 01:01:24,696
on. Should be governed

2020
01:01:24,696 --> 01:01:25,330
primarily by those incentives

2021
01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:25,930
for the weather. Should we

2022
01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:28,500
should govern them by a

2023
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,900
different set of values

2024
01:01:31,936 --> 01:01:33,936
altogether.

2025
01:01:34,372 --> 01:01:35,600
There's a lot more.

2026
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,942
I would say to some of my

2027
01:01:37,942 --> 01:01:38,476
experience with the Public

2028
01:01:38,476 --> 01:01:40,476
Service Commission.

2029
01:01:41,512 --> 01:01:44,512
The regulator of we energies.

2030
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:46,350
Isn't Aaron Sorkin series

2031
01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:48,750
called the Newsroom. Everybody

2032
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:50,654
should watch it. Jane Fonda,

2033
01:01:50,654 --> 01:01:52,590
isn't it? She's great.

2034
01:01:52,590 --> 01:01:53,224
Aaron Sorkin doesn't do great

2035
01:01:53,224 --> 01:01:55,624
with the development. The

2036
01:01:55,793 --> 01:01:57,793
complexity of female

2037
01:01:59,363 --> 01:02:01,763
characters, but that's his

2038
01:02:02,433 --> 01:02:03,601
problem. It's not ours. But

2039
01:02:03,601 --> 01:02:04,301
Jane Fonda, it runs a media

2040
01:02:04,301 --> 01:02:06,437
conglomerate, right? And Jeff

2041
01:02:06,437 --> 01:02:07,538
Daniels is this like anchor

2042
01:02:07,538 --> 01:02:08,405
who goes off on a student, a

2043
01:02:08,405 --> 01:02:09,106
college student that is

2044
01:02:09,106 --> 01:02:12,900
thinking about why is America

2045
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:15,609
the greatest country in or out?

2046
01:02:15,713 --> 01:02:17,713
But it's not.

2047
01:02:18,415 --> 01:02:19,830
She tells a joke. She says it's

2048
01:02:19,830 --> 01:02:20,117
about GOD and golf. I'm not

2049
01:02:20,117 --> 01:02:22,853
going to tell the joke because

2050
01:02:22,853 --> 01:02:23,487
he's tells a much better.

2051
01:02:23,487 --> 01:02:26,423
And Aaron Sorkin wrote it.

2052
01:02:26,423 --> 01:02:29,423
The punchline is worth it

2053
01:02:31,528 --> 01:02:32,196
because

2054
01:02:32,196 --> 01:02:33,364
Moses is doing side. GOD is

2055
01:02:33,364 --> 01:02:34,498
doing all these things. And one

2056
01:02:34,498 --> 01:02:37,367
point Moses says to GOD, okay,

2057
01:02:37,367 --> 01:02:38,680
are we going to go for you just

2058
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,236
going to f around? And that's

2059
01:02:39,236 --> 01:02:41,639
literally I feel like what

2060
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:44,942
we're doing here. None of this

2061
01:02:44,942 --> 01:02:48,542
is difficult. This is not hard.

2062
01:02:50,714 --> 01:02:51,781
I mean, I don't have to turn

2063
01:02:51,781 --> 01:02:52,783
around and every hand in the

2064
01:02:52,783 --> 01:02:55,986
room went up to everyone in the

2065
01:02:55,986 --> 01:02:56,687
room, but also in the room went

2066
01:02:56,687 --> 01:02:58,789
up. Yeah. All right. So I rest

2067
01:02:58,789 --> 01:03:01,189
my case with that

2068
01:03:04,361 --> 01:03:04,894
visualization. There's so much

2069
01:03:04,894 --> 01:03:07,598
more to say. But I.

2070
01:03:07,598 --> 01:03:08,598
What look at what's happening

2071
01:03:08,598 --> 01:03:11,901
in the world. Can we insulate

2072
01:03:11,901 --> 01:03:12,636
ourselves from it? Not entirely

2073
01:03:12,636 --> 01:03:13,470
isolated cells

2074
01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:14,104
from it. No, we affected by

2075
01:03:14,104 --> 01:03:17,104
what happens in Iran. What

2076
01:03:17,341 --> 01:03:18,475
happened in China? What happens

2077
01:03:18,475 --> 01:03:19,109
in Venezuela? Yes.

2078
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:21,178
So what are we going to do

2079
01:03:21,178 --> 01:03:24,178
about that reason that people

2080
01:03:24,481 --> 01:03:26,582
who want to make? But lots of

2081
01:03:26,582 --> 01:03:27,151
money?

2082
01:03:27,151 --> 01:03:28,619
Far addictions and our

2083
01:03:28,619 --> 01:03:31,190
attention deficit disorders and

2084
01:03:31,288 --> 01:03:32,790
off our hatreds. We let them

2085
01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:35,159
do that to us. It's insane.

2086
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:36,961
So it's not difficult. It's

2087
01:03:36,961 --> 01:03:37,727
not difficult. I appreciate

2088
01:03:37,727 --> 01:03:40,727
the examples where the places

2089
01:03:41,799 --> 01:03:44,799
the labor question is so

2090
01:03:45,368 --> 01:03:46,360
delicate. Because young been

2091
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,972
abused, abused. It's crazy.

2092
01:03:47,972 --> 01:03:49,372
Devil we energies employee a

2093
01:03:49,372 --> 01:03:50,740
union do show up at a hearing.

2094
01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:52,342
We're trying to say they don't

2095
01:03:52,342 --> 01:03:53,344
build a gas plant. It's going

2096
01:03:53,344 --> 01:03:54,378
to kill people. People don't

2097
01:03:54,378 --> 01:03:55,450
want it. They don't even know

2098
01:03:55,450 --> 01:03:56,747
what's happening. It's going

2099
01:03:56,747 --> 01:03:57,415
to cost of so much money and

2100
01:03:57,415 --> 01:04:00,117
then it's going to not want

2101
01:04:00,117 --> 01:04:00,751
be used anymore. We're still

2102
01:04:00,751 --> 01:04:04,351
gonna pay for it. We can't

2103
01:04:05,122 --> 01:04:07,900
afford anything else in our

2104
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:09,193
lives. And this brave man steps

2105
01:04:09,193 --> 01:04:10,361
up because the utility said go

2106
01:04:10,361 --> 01:04:11,600
and he reads a statement about

2107
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,397
how he's so grateful that the

2108
01:04:14,397 --> 01:04:14,999
utility give says family health

2109
01:04:14,999 --> 01:04:15,699
care's that his child or

2110
01:04:15,699 --> 01:04:18,469
whoever loved one in his life

2111
01:04:18,469 --> 01:04:19,536
can actually get health care to

2112
01:04:19,536 --> 01:04:20,503
deal with the illness that they

2113
01:04:20,503 --> 01:04:23,807
most likely got from the fact

2114
01:04:23,807 --> 01:04:28,700
that they work at a coal plant.

2115
01:04:32,449 --> 01:04:34,419
It's just not hard to do.

2116
01:04:34,419 --> 01:04:35,385
It's just not hard. And it's

2117
01:04:35,385 --> 01:04:36,387
so clear that in 10 years, 20

2118
01:04:36,387 --> 01:04:37,620
years, 50 years from now,

2119
01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:39,890
depending on how this goes,

2120
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:39,790
everybody's a look back and

2121
01:04:39,790 --> 01:04:41,959
say, well, what did you all do

2122
01:04:41,959 --> 01:04:42,559
with a 9 people heared? What

2123
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:43,260
job do about it? Because

2124
01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:46,260
everybody was telling you what

2125
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:50,301
the f to do about it. Did you

2126
01:04:50,301 --> 01:04:52,301
do it?

2127
01:04:53,504 --> 01:04:55,504
Thank you.

2128
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:07,685
A technical question and maybe

2129
01:05:07,685 --> 01:05:09,753
first-look answer just ones.

2130
01:05:09,753 --> 01:05:11,855
That is what are the typical

2131
01:05:11,855 --> 01:05:13,857
models that are used for me as

2132
01:05:13,857 --> 01:05:14,526
well should because we have a

2133
01:05:14,526 --> 01:05:16,926
large public shareholder on

2134
01:05:17,361 --> 01:05:17,861
utility that is regional, as

2135
01:05:17,861 --> 01:05:19,861
he's pointed out.

2136
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:24,201
There are no generating

2137
01:05:24,201 --> 01:05:25,336
stations in what is one

2138
01:05:25,336 --> 01:05:26,360
generating station in with the

2139
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,360
city of Milwaukee. That's very

2140
01:05:29,139 --> 01:05:31,139
small, primarily supplies

2141
01:05:31,875 --> 01:05:32,943
steam. The major generating

2142
01:05:32,943 --> 01:05:33,610
capacity is outside the city of

2143
01:05:33,610 --> 01:05:36,547
Milwaukee. And in some cases

2144
01:05:36,547 --> 01:05:37,647
outside the county of

2145
01:05:37,647 --> 01:05:39,647
Milwaukee.

2146
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:41,950
There's transmission lines

2147
01:05:42,586 --> 01:05:44,455
which is a high voltage long

2148
01:05:44,455 --> 01:05:46,290
distance transmission

2149
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:46,890
equipment, their substations,

2150
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:48,792
theirs. The distribution

2151
01:05:48,792 --> 01:05:50,694
network, which is the poles and

2152
01:05:50,694 --> 01:05:52,896
wires we see in our

2153
01:05:52,896 --> 01:05:53,831
neighborhoods. And then there's

2154
01:05:53,831 --> 01:05:55,299
this vast array. As MISTER

2155
01:05:55,299 --> 01:05:55,966
Rosenberg pointed out, there's

2156
01:05:55,966 --> 01:05:57,535
material yards. There's even

2157
01:05:57,535 --> 01:05:59,404
Tories of Poles and

2158
01:05:59,404 --> 01:06:00,170
transformers and spare parts

2159
01:06:00,170 --> 01:06:03,507
sitting in a yard waiting to be

2160
01:06:03,507 --> 01:06:05,242
deployed in the case of renewal

2161
01:06:05,242 --> 01:06:06,343
or repair.

2162
01:06:06,343 --> 01:06:07,945
And then the whole question of

2163
01:06:07,945 --> 01:06:09,947
all their vehicle to me, they

2164
01:06:09,947 --> 01:06:12,160
must have 1000 light trucks are

2165
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:12,850
hundreds of light trucks that

2166
01:06:12,850 --> 01:06:14,952
we it is a situation where

2167
01:06:14,952 --> 01:06:15,886
okay, you get 3, we get one.

2168
01:06:15,886 --> 01:06:17,622
You get 3 of these. We get one

2169
01:06:17,622 --> 01:06:19,757
of these. The how does this

2170
01:06:19,757 --> 01:06:22,159
work in practice? One of the

2171
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:22,793
models for municipal as Asian

2172
01:06:22,793 --> 01:06:25,940
or is this more financial

2173
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:27,998
exercise where we basically are

2174
01:06:27,998 --> 01:06:29,670
become just a reseller of power

2175
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:30,967
and leave the infrastructure

2176
01:06:30,967 --> 01:06:31,634
under the ownership most or all

2177
01:06:31,634 --> 01:06:34,538
of it and continue ownership

2178
01:06:34,538 --> 01:06:35,806
of the shareholder when

2179
01:06:35,806 --> 01:06:37,274
utility.

2180
01:06:37,274 --> 01:06:38,420
That would. That would be where

2181
01:06:38,420 --> 01:06:40,442
the feasibility study comes

2182
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,983
into play to look at all that.

2183
01:06:45,983 --> 01:06:46,617
But generally. The public care

2184
01:06:46,617 --> 01:06:47,284
utility, most public power

2185
01:06:47,284 --> 01:06:49,284
utilities are distribution,

2186
01:06:50,854 --> 01:06:52,523
only utilities. So you would

2187
01:06:52,523 --> 01:06:53,257
likely. One option would be to

2188
01:06:53,257 --> 01:06:54,991
just purchased the distribution

2189
01:06:54,991 --> 01:06:56,994
system, which would be the clue

2190
01:06:56,994 --> 01:06:58,929
to the polls on the wires

2191
01:06:58,929 --> 01:06:59,797
within the city of Milwaukee.

2192
01:06:59,797 --> 01:07:01,764
And then you would out there

2193
01:07:01,764 --> 01:07:02,833
and then you would get your

2194
01:07:02,833 --> 01:07:04,834
power supply from somewhere

2195
01:07:04,834 --> 01:07:05,703
else you could. If you wanted

2196
01:07:05,703 --> 01:07:08,703
to generate it yourself, you

2197
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:10,240
could. But most public power

2198
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,640
utilities purchase Harris plan

2199
01:07:12,743 --> 01:07:13,610
on the open market or they work

2200
01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:14,311
with joint action agencies

2201
01:07:14,311 --> 01:07:16,313
which are groups of public

2202
01:07:16,313 --> 01:07:18,215
power, utilities that come

2203
01:07:18,215 --> 01:07:18,782
together for power supply.

2204
01:07:18,782 --> 01:07:21,685
So they'll so here in

2205
01:07:21,685 --> 01:07:24,555
Wisconsin, wpp, I energy is

2206
01:07:24,555 --> 01:07:25,589
a joint actually agency that

2207
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:26,222
provides power to their members

2208
01:07:26,222 --> 01:07:29,222
in Wisconsin in I believe

2209
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:31,261
they've one or 2 in Michigan

2210
01:07:31,261 --> 01:07:33,230
as well. So they the purchase

2211
01:07:33,230 --> 01:07:34,633
date the community will

2212
01:07:34,633 --> 01:07:36,568
purchase power supply from

2213
01:07:36,568 --> 01:07:38,702
those entities in terms of

2214
01:07:38,702 --> 01:07:40,237
trucks and those types of

2215
01:07:40,237 --> 01:07:40,938
equipment that could that could

2216
01:07:40,938 --> 01:07:43,874
be negotiated. But likely the

2217
01:07:43,874 --> 01:07:44,541
city would purchase their

2218
01:07:44,541 --> 01:07:46,941
tracks. There are materials

2219
01:07:49,479 --> 01:07:50,447
moving forward. He wouldn't.

2220
01:07:50,447 --> 01:07:53,249
Purchase them from we energies.

2221
01:07:53,249 --> 01:07:53,916
Mostly we ever do. Most likely

2222
01:07:53,916 --> 01:07:56,554
you would purchase and have

2223
01:07:56,554 --> 01:07:57,187
your own supply yard where you

2224
01:07:57,187 --> 01:08:00,787
would have a, you know, a

2225
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:03,560
supply of poles and wires and

2226
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,130
so forth and I will say on the

2227
01:08:06,130 --> 01:08:08,164
the idea of when there's a

2228
01:08:08,164 --> 01:08:08,832
storm or you need extra

2229
01:08:08,832 --> 01:08:09,566
assistance, you know, public

2230
01:08:09,566 --> 01:08:13,166
power utilities, if the city of

2231
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:14,104
Milwaukee were to form of

2232
01:08:14,104 --> 01:08:16,340
public power utility, your

2233
01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:17,700
crews would live and work in

2234
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:19,108
the community that the first

2235
01:08:19,108 --> 01:08:20,944
priority in a storm would be

2236
01:08:20,944 --> 01:08:23,113
to restore power here in

2237
01:08:23,113 --> 01:08:23,781
Milwaukee. So you have people

2238
01:08:23,781 --> 01:08:26,181
that understand the system.

2239
01:08:26,483 --> 01:08:27,184
They lived here. Their friends

2240
01:08:27,184 --> 01:08:30,870
and family are here. They have

2241
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:30,621
a vested interest in return.

2242
01:08:30,621 --> 01:08:32,621
Restoring

2243
01:08:33,624 --> 01:08:34,892
power quickly beyond that,

2244
01:08:34,892 --> 01:08:35,559
there is a mutual aid network

2245
01:08:35,559 --> 01:08:37,959
of public power, utilities,

2246
01:08:38,495 --> 01:08:39,662
investor owned utilities,

2247
01:08:39,662 --> 01:08:40,331
co-ops.

2248
01:08:40,331 --> 01:08:43,931
Come together. A ppa is the

2249
01:08:43,933 --> 01:08:44,568
national convener of Public

2250
01:08:44,568 --> 01:08:46,968
Power. Utilities that set

2251
01:08:48,572 --> 01:08:49,173
whenever there is an unexpected

2252
01:08:49,173 --> 01:08:52,173
storm. We meet. We have

2253
01:08:52,208 --> 01:08:54,211
regional coordinators to me

2254
01:08:54,211 --> 01:08:56,145
throughout the U.S. And they

2255
01:08:56,145 --> 01:08:58,382
stage crews to come in and help

2256
01:08:58,382 --> 01:08:59,160
public power utilities. And

2257
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,416
then once they've restored

2258
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:02,786
power to those public pair

2259
01:09:02,786 --> 01:09:03,953
utilities, they help with co-op

2260
01:09:03,953 --> 01:09:06,353
restoration and investor owned

2261
01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:07,757
utility restoration as well.

2262
01:09:07,757 --> 01:09:08,425
So just because you have a

2263
01:09:08,425 --> 01:09:10,825
public Perry utility doesn't

2264
01:09:11,362 --> 01:09:12,296
mean you don't have broader

2265
01:09:12,296 --> 01:09:12,964
access to cruise.

2266
01:09:12,964 --> 01:09:15,799
Across the country and often

2267
01:09:15,799 --> 01:09:17,301
it is across the country.

2268
01:09:17,301 --> 01:09:20,170
You start regionally that we've

2269
01:09:20,170 --> 01:09:22,710
had crews from Washington State

2270
01:09:22,710 --> 01:09:24,174
go to Florida to help with some

2271
01:09:24,174 --> 01:09:25,642
of these storm restoration.

2272
01:09:25,642 --> 01:09:27,411
So there is a network out

2273
01:09:27,411 --> 01:09:31,611
there, but I would say it is

2274
01:09:34,351 --> 01:09:35,850
extremely important to protect.

2275
01:09:35,850 --> 01:09:35,952
The the employees and the Union

2276
01:09:35,952 --> 01:09:36,653
employees. When you go through

2277
01:09:36,653 --> 01:09:39,422
this and there are ways to do

2278
01:09:39,422 --> 01:09:41,422
that, that's extremely

2279
01:09:42,592 --> 01:09:44,592
important.

2280
01:09:48,699 --> 01:09:49,700
And there are multiple ways to

2281
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:52,803
do that. So I think that but

2282
01:09:52,803 --> 01:09:53,404
that goes without saying is you

2283
01:09:53,404 --> 01:09:56,372
you went to whether it's

2284
01:09:56,372 --> 01:09:56,940
providing them the same

2285
01:09:56,940 --> 01:09:58,940
package, whether it's

2286
01:09:59,277 --> 01:10:00,778
outsourcing your operations and

2287
01:10:00,778 --> 01:10:01,478
bringing them on as employees.

2288
01:10:01,478 --> 01:10:05,780
There are different ways to do

2289
01:10:06,549 --> 01:10:07,184
that. But that is extremely

2290
01:10:07,184 --> 01:10:07,785
important. Would this be a

2291
01:10:07,785 --> 01:10:09,785
more efficient exercise?

2292
01:10:10,353 --> 01:10:13,757
It was all a Milwaukee County.

2293
01:10:13,757 --> 01:10:16,157
Which is 245 square miles.

2294
01:10:16,827 --> 01:10:18,827
Milwaukee's 96 square miles.

2295
01:10:19,530 --> 01:10:20,264
Milwaukee County's 900 and

2296
01:10:20,264 --> 01:10:22,264
40,000 people. The city's 5.70,

2297
01:10:23,467 --> 01:10:25,636
and dropping. I'm just curious

2298
01:10:25,636 --> 01:10:28,471
with that being more efficient

2299
01:10:28,471 --> 01:10:29,707
model to at least aspire to.

2300
01:10:29,707 --> 01:10:30,607
I believe. So. I believe that

2301
01:10:30,607 --> 01:10:33,478
that I legally might be more

2302
01:10:33,478 --> 01:10:35,579
efficient, but that would still

2303
01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:37,481
run into the same legal

2304
01:10:37,481 --> 01:10:38,182
complications of just how big

2305
01:10:38,182 --> 01:10:40,551
the we energies infrastructure

2306
01:10:40,551 --> 01:10:43,487
is and the realities. And I'm

2307
01:10:43,487 --> 01:10:44,588
not an engineer. I went to law

2308
01:10:44,588 --> 01:10:46,222
school an bad at math. But you

2309
01:10:46,222 --> 01:10:46,924
know, that goes into the

2310
01:10:46,924 --> 01:10:47,558
realities of just how big this

2311
01:10:47,558 --> 01:10:49,958
infrastructure is and how

2312
01:10:50,226 --> 01:10:52,363
intertwined it is throughout

2313
01:10:52,363 --> 01:10:54,363
southeastern Wisconsin. Any

2314
01:10:54,365 --> 01:10:55,733
other questions of the board?

2315
01:10:55,733 --> 01:10:56,467
Yeah, I've got a few. Sure.

2316
01:10:56,467 --> 01:10:58,802
Thank you so much. Yes. So just

2317
01:10:58,802 --> 01:11:00,971
a couple things that popped up

2318
01:11:00,971 --> 01:11:04,808
in And the I just want make

2319
01:11:04,808 --> 01:11:06,510
sure the listening audience in

2320
01:11:06,510 --> 01:11:07,244
the folks here we touched a

2321
01:11:07,244 --> 01:11:10,244
little bit on revenue. Bonds

2322
01:11:10,314 --> 01:11:11,810
for says general obligation

2323
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:11,714
to finance on. I just want to

2324
01:11:11,714 --> 01:11:13,517
point out a couple things.

2325
01:11:13,517 --> 01:11:15,151
Can't think maybe you can

2326
01:11:15,151 --> 01:11:17,855
confirm been your research is

2327
01:11:17,855 --> 01:11:19,990
found when the city revenue

2328
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:22,390
bonds to acquire income

2329
01:11:22,626 --> 01:11:25,626
producing assets such as the

2330
01:11:26,196 --> 01:11:26,797
infrastructure of utility that

2331
01:11:26,797 --> 01:11:28,365
does not count against r

2332
01:11:28,365 --> 01:11:31,301
bonding cap in the state's

2333
01:11:31,301 --> 01:11:32,200
constitution. Is that correct?

2334
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:32,636
As far as I'm aware, I did not

2335
01:11:32,636 --> 01:11:34,304
have the opportunity to do

2336
01:11:34,304 --> 01:11:36,704
extensive research on that

2337
01:11:38,976 --> 01:11:39,943
topic. That was a little bit

2338
01:11:39,943 --> 01:11:40,877
outside my original parameters.

2339
01:11:40,877 --> 01:11:41,645
But to my knowledge, that is

2340
01:11:41,645 --> 01:11:42,346
correct. And that stated in

2341
01:11:42,346 --> 01:11:43,800
Article 6 of the right of the

2342
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,480
state's constitution, that that

2343
01:11:46,951 --> 01:11:47,618
cap is exceeded when it comes

2344
01:11:47,618 --> 01:11:49,190
to. So the the question and

2345
01:11:49,190 --> 01:11:52,619
then a revenue by your research

2346
01:11:52,923 --> 01:11:54,725
is structured in a way that

2347
01:11:54,725 --> 01:11:56,794
like the city itself are other

2348
01:11:56,794 --> 01:11:57,761
assets besides the utility

2349
01:11:57,761 --> 01:11:59,128
infrastructure would not rdr

2350
01:11:59,128 --> 01:11:59,797
Treasury would not be on the

2351
01:11:59,797 --> 01:12:02,166
hook when a revenue bond is

2352
01:12:02,166 --> 01:12:02,932
issuing of years. Looking

2353
01:12:02,932 --> 01:12:03,667
provides more details and that

2354
01:12:03,667 --> 01:12:07,838
too. So we issue a revenue bond

2355
01:12:07,838 --> 01:12:08,839
to make the acquisition or to

2356
01:12:08,839 --> 01:12:10,839
upgrade the infrastructure

2357
01:12:10,908 --> 01:12:11,775
that doesn't. That means that

2358
01:12:11,775 --> 01:12:12,476
will that hasn't. That hasn't

2359
01:12:12,476 --> 01:12:13,177
downgraded the credit of these

2360
01:12:13,177 --> 01:12:15,112
other cities that do this and

2361
01:12:15,112 --> 01:12:17,470
it and it certainly hasn't put

2362
01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:18,849
their treasuries in jeopardy

2363
01:12:18,849 --> 01:12:19,549
or made the city's less

2364
01:12:19,549 --> 01:12:20,217
financially viable. Could you

2365
01:12:20,217 --> 01:12:22,753
could talk about that first

2366
01:12:22,753 --> 01:12:25,753
live. You've seen that with

2367
01:12:25,756 --> 01:12:26,857
the Saudis. Yeah, absolutely.

2368
01:12:26,857 --> 01:12:27,758
And so with revenue bonds

2369
01:12:27,758 --> 01:12:30,594
obviously all of the repayment

2370
01:12:30,594 --> 01:12:31,795
comes from the revenue that is

2371
01:12:31,795 --> 01:12:33,563
generated from the utility and

2372
01:12:33,563 --> 01:12:34,765
a utility is an essential

2373
01:12:34,765 --> 01:12:37,765
service. It's not a risky.

2374
01:12:38,669 --> 01:12:39,336
There are there will be revenue

2375
01:12:39,336 --> 01:12:40,403
generated from that utility.

2376
01:12:40,403 --> 01:12:41,138
So that's what's used to pay

2377
01:12:41,138 --> 01:12:41,739
back those revenue bonds.

2378
01:12:41,739 --> 01:12:44,139
And so that's completely

2379
01:12:45,175 --> 01:12:46,944
independent from the general

2380
01:12:46,944 --> 01:12:47,710
obligation, bonds. And then

2381
01:12:47,710 --> 01:12:48,379
once you have and you use as

2382
01:12:48,379 --> 01:12:51,314
revenue bonds to acquire the

2383
01:12:51,314 --> 01:12:53,714
system, once you've acquired

2384
01:12:55,252 --> 01:12:56,720
the system, all the

2385
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,756
improvements or other other

2386
01:12:58,756 --> 01:13:01,625
investments you make can be tax

2387
01:13:01,625 --> 01:13:03,795
exempt. Bonds can be used for

2388
01:13:03,795 --> 01:13:05,697
for any upgrades or anything

2389
01:13:05,697 --> 01:13:07,698
after you've purchased the

2390
01:13:07,698 --> 01:13:08,799
system. So that's a much that's

2391
01:13:08,799 --> 01:13:10,934
a more financially feasible

2392
01:13:10,934 --> 01:13:11,734
type of finds that you're

2393
01:13:11,734 --> 01:13:13,570
saving money there by using

2394
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:14,238
those Texas infants. So I think

2395
01:13:14,238 --> 01:13:15,673
there is there to benefits.

2396
01:13:15,673 --> 01:13:16,840
They're both using the revenue

2397
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,875
bonds and then having access to

2398
01:13:18,875 --> 01:13:19,810
tax exempt Bonds, ft from the

2399
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:21,812
utility. So I I like to think

2400
01:13:21,812 --> 01:13:22,779
of and maybe even Craig, if I'm

2401
01:13:22,779 --> 01:13:23,747
wrong. But I do think of this,

2402
01:13:23,747 --> 01:13:24,981
as you know, this is but it's

2403
01:13:24,981 --> 01:13:25,716
not legally assume it's a

2404
01:13:25,716 --> 01:13:27,217
kitchen or cousin of a mortgage

2405
01:13:27,217 --> 01:13:30,321
that we're taking out on this

2406
01:13:30,321 --> 01:13:31,880
property just like when people

2407
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:31,789
decide to own their own home.

2408
01:13:31,789 --> 01:13:32,489
Very rarely. Does anybody have

2409
01:13:32,489 --> 01:13:35,693
the cash in their bank account

2410
01:13:35,693 --> 01:13:37,361
to purchase the House? They

2411
01:13:37,361 --> 01:13:37,994
will use credit to purchase

2412
01:13:37,994 --> 01:13:38,662
that. But then that builds

2413
01:13:38,662 --> 01:13:42,262
equity and you own an asset

2414
01:13:42,298 --> 01:13:42,967
that and have more legal rights

2415
01:13:42,967 --> 01:13:44,368
to it. It's like I mean, we

2416
01:13:44,368 --> 01:13:45,350
found benefit with It sounds

2417
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:47,710
like with this. I mean, it's

2418
01:13:47,710 --> 01:13:50,874
not you know, I just I just

2419
01:13:50,874 --> 01:13:51,609
want to get from you or have

2420
01:13:51,609 --> 01:13:52,442
you confirm because some of the

2421
01:13:52,442 --> 01:13:53,109
concern that I've heard when

2422
01:13:53,109 --> 01:13:54,244
I've been out about has been

2423
01:13:54,244 --> 01:13:56,379
all this is going to wreck the

2424
01:13:56,379 --> 01:13:57,214
city financially, but actually,

2425
01:13:57,214 --> 01:13:58,150
you haven't found has there

2426
01:13:58,150 --> 01:14:01,150
been any example that you're

2427
01:14:01,919 --> 01:14:02,987
aware of across the United

2428
01:14:02,987 --> 01:14:03,753
States? We're a municipal

2429
01:14:03,753 --> 01:14:06,753
utility has caused the city

2430
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,526
to declare bankruptcy or been

2431
01:14:09,526 --> 01:14:10,227
in financial ruin.

2432
01:14:10,227 --> 01:14:10,893
No, okay. There's no. There's

2433
01:14:10,893 --> 01:14:12,529
none. The are aware of that.

2434
01:14:12,529 --> 01:14:13,530
All ok, in fact, in fact, it's

2435
01:14:13,530 --> 01:14:14,131
actually like been the opposite

2436
01:14:14,131 --> 01:14:15,432
because sometimes these

2437
01:14:15,432 --> 01:14:16,834
utilities can make a transfer

2438
01:14:16,834 --> 01:14:17,501
to the general fund it there

2439
01:14:17,501 --> 01:14:20,501
if they have excess revenue.

2440
01:14:22,339 --> 01:14:23,208
Yeah, absolutely. And that's

2441
01:14:23,208 --> 01:14:24,273
one of the kind of the the

2442
01:14:24,273 --> 01:14:26,377
primary benefits of public

2443
01:14:26,377 --> 01:14:28,770
power. But another benefit of

2444
01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:29,213
public power is you are any

2445
01:14:29,213 --> 01:14:30,347
revenue that is generated

2446
01:14:30,347 --> 01:14:31,348
generated from the utility

2447
01:14:31,348 --> 01:14:34,485
stays in the community. It can

2448
01:14:34,485 --> 01:14:35,352
go back into the system in

2449
01:14:35,352 --> 01:14:36,120
terms of making system

2450
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,323
improvements or it can be used

2451
01:14:39,323 --> 01:14:41,458
to reduce rates in the

2452
01:14:41,458 --> 01:14:42,926
community.

2453
01:14:42,926 --> 01:14:43,660
And most almost all, probably

2454
01:14:43,660 --> 01:14:45,929
all public power utilities with

2455
01:14:45,929 --> 01:14:47,830
the exception of Oklahoma

2456
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:49,933
because they don't allow it.

2457
01:14:49,933 --> 01:14:50,868
But public power, utilities

2458
01:14:50,868 --> 01:14:53,868
provide tax exempt or payments

2459
01:14:53,971 --> 01:14:56,507
in lieu of taxes to the city.

2460
01:14:56,507 --> 01:14:57,274
So extra revenue goes to the

2461
01:14:57,274 --> 01:14:57,975
city to pay for other city

2462
01:14:57,975 --> 01:14:59,610
needs whether it be the police

2463
01:14:59,610 --> 01:15:01,610
department. The fire

2464
01:15:02,914 --> 01:15:04,914
department. Public schools.

2465
01:15:06,684 --> 01:15:09,520
Anything that is generated from

2466
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:09,753
the committee, the utility goes

2467
01:15:09,753 --> 01:15:10,421
back into the city and state's

2468
01:15:10,421 --> 01:15:13,991
here for us is going to see

2469
01:15:13,991 --> 01:15:15,125
that stockholders who with our

2470
01:15:15,125 --> 01:15:15,793
water department. Exactly.

2471
01:15:15,793 --> 01:15:18,595
Yeah, already has a publicly

2472
01:15:18,595 --> 01:15:19,697
owned utility and that is the

2473
01:15:19,697 --> 01:15:20,731
water park and inequities and

2474
01:15:20,731 --> 01:15:21,598
in the past, MR. Sure you can

2475
01:15:21,598 --> 01:15:23,700
confirm we've received payments

2476
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:24,835
maybe not every year, but we've

2477
01:15:24,835 --> 01:15:25,503
received payments and or

2478
01:15:25,503 --> 01:15:26,203
general fund. Everybody put

2479
01:15:26,203 --> 01:15:27,571
your hands are a little tacky.

2480
01:15:27,571 --> 01:15:29,540
That's exactly what we do know

2481
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:30,274
is that it's, you know, them.

2482
01:15:30,274 --> 01:15:30,975
I had some further questions if

2483
01:15:30,975 --> 01:15:31,675
you don't mind, sir. Thank you

2484
01:15:31,675 --> 01:15:33,477
so much. Yeah, so that I just

2485
01:15:33,477 --> 01:15:34,445
really appreciate that because

2486
01:15:34,445 --> 01:15:35,178
that's a complicated issue.

2487
01:15:35,178 --> 01:15:37,781
But I think I really appreciate

2488
01:15:37,781 --> 01:15:38,449
what Brian brought the table

2489
01:15:38,449 --> 01:15:41,185
that in the end like there's

2490
01:15:41,185 --> 01:15:42,486
complexities. But it's a simple

2491
01:15:42,486 --> 01:15:43,253
concept that we want to own

2492
01:15:43,253 --> 01:15:46,853
one. Our own power. Jen, we

2493
01:15:50,327 --> 01:15:51,394
want to own our own utility.

2494
01:15:51,394 --> 01:15:54,394
You're right on. And just

2495
01:15:54,498 --> 01:15:55,499
for Grant when we talk about

2496
01:15:55,499 --> 01:15:56,166
potentially bring in a 3rd

2497
01:15:56,166 --> 01:15:56,833
party because I complete my

2498
01:15:56,833 --> 01:15:59,302
bed. I was the PRESIDENT Of

2499
01:15:59,302 --> 01:16:02,902
local. I can please stand with

2500
01:16:03,575 --> 01:16:04,575
organized labor in everything

2501
01:16:04,575 --> 01:16:05,242
that I do But I do see

2502
01:16:05,242 --> 01:16:07,310
friction a little bit here

2503
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:08,177
where we have we have an

2504
01:16:08,177 --> 01:16:08,979
entity. I I think it is

2505
01:16:08,979 --> 01:16:09,880
possible. I'll say this.

2506
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,749
I think it is possible for a

2507
01:16:11,749 --> 01:16:13,584
good employer which we are just

2508
01:16:13,584 --> 01:16:14,285
maybe I can't speak to that.

2509
01:16:14,285 --> 01:16:15,452
But what we have possible for

2510
01:16:15,452 --> 01:16:18,255
good employer to be a bad

2511
01:16:18,255 --> 01:16:18,989
member of the community.

2512
01:16:18,989 --> 01:16:21,859
I think that's what's going on.

2513
01:16:21,859 --> 01:16:25,610
I'm here. It's going that, you

2514
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:26,331
know, those 2 tracks.

2515
01:16:26,331 --> 01:16:27,598
So we want, you know, we've

2516
01:16:27,598 --> 01:16:28,598
been just honor that. We want

2517
01:16:28,598 --> 01:16:29,233
to honor with the world with

2518
01:16:29,233 --> 01:16:29,833
the workers have their. I

2519
01:16:29,833 --> 01:16:30,434
haven't heard that from.

2520
01:16:30,434 --> 01:16:31,168
I mean, there have been

2521
01:16:31,168 --> 01:16:34,168
winners. Employees have told me

2522
01:16:34,571 --> 01:16:35,306
we're just not a good employer.

2523
01:16:35,306 --> 01:16:35,973
So I would, you know, challenge

2524
01:16:35,973 --> 01:16:36,640
the union also to make sure

2525
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,400
they're asking every single

2526
01:16:39,943 --> 01:16:42,645
member what their thoughts are,

2527
01:16:42,645 --> 01:16:43,280
too. But as far as the 3rd

2528
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:43,881
party entity that we could

2529
01:16:43,881 --> 01:16:44,581
bring in that is legally

2530
01:16:44,581 --> 01:16:47,484
possible to be identified for

2531
01:16:47,484 --> 01:16:48,118
us to manage the day-to-day

2532
01:16:48,118 --> 01:16:48,819
operations to avoid at 10

2533
01:16:48,819 --> 01:16:51,188
concerns. And this for birdie

2534
01:16:51,188 --> 01:16:51,855
in the audience are listening.

2535
01:16:51,855 --> 01:16:52,556
X 10 is the law that strips

2536
01:16:52,556 --> 01:16:54,291
what Wisconsin's public sector

2537
01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:56,291
workers from collective

2538
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:57,327
bargaining to have contracts

2539
01:16:57,327 --> 01:16:59,496
similar to what Idw has with.

2540
01:16:59,496 --> 01:17:01,980
Well, we energies, but there

2541
01:17:01,980 --> 01:17:03,498
wouldn't be anything legally

2542
01:17:04,401 --> 01:17:05,502
stopping these workers of we

2543
01:17:05,502 --> 01:17:06,470
energies from themselves.

2544
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:08,439
Forming a worker co-op to

2545
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,439
manage the day-to-day

2546
01:17:10,441 --> 01:17:11,408
operations caught the boss

2547
01:17:11,408 --> 01:17:13,277
entirely for legally forming a

2548
01:17:13,277 --> 01:17:13,944
worker. Co-op that there's

2549
01:17:13,944 --> 01:17:15,412
works with the union to have

2550
01:17:15,412 --> 01:17:17,247
the same wages or better wages

2551
01:17:17,247 --> 01:17:18,414
and benefits than we are just

2552
01:17:18,414 --> 01:17:19,490
currently has. Is there

2553
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:19,617
anything the found in the

2554
01:17:19,617 --> 01:17:21,318
statute that prohibits

2555
01:17:21,318 --> 01:17:23,420
something like that as we move

2556
01:17:23,420 --> 01:17:24,154
forward? There's nothing that I

2557
01:17:24,154 --> 01:17:27,558
have found in any statutes that

2558
01:17:27,558 --> 01:17:28,225
prohibits that the obligations

2559
01:17:28,225 --> 01:17:30,294
of any 3rd party management

2560
01:17:30,294 --> 01:17:32,795
entity really depend, you know,

2561
01:17:32,795 --> 01:17:33,664
their primary legal obligation,

2562
01:17:33,664 --> 01:17:37,264
as you know, if they are

2563
01:17:37,601 --> 01:17:38,701
acquiring these employees and

2564
01:17:38,701 --> 01:17:39,303
they intend to take on all of

2565
01:17:39,303 --> 01:17:41,303
the currently unionized

2566
01:17:42,339 --> 01:17:44,341
workforce that it was within

2567
01:17:44,341 --> 01:17:45,809
the acquisition. They have an

2568
01:17:45,809 --> 01:17:46,477
obligation to at the very least

2569
01:17:46,477 --> 01:17:49,477
come to the bargaining table

2570
01:17:49,780 --> 01:17:50,714
with those workforce is no,

2571
01:17:50,714 --> 01:17:51,849
they are not legally obligated

2572
01:17:51,849 --> 01:17:53,751
to honor the collective

2573
01:17:53,751 --> 01:17:55,852
bargaining agreement as it

2574
01:17:55,852 --> 01:17:58,756
currently stands. But they are

2575
01:17:58,756 --> 01:18:02,356
obligated to go to the table

2576
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,270
with the union, which in any

2577
01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:06,830
possible world could result in

2578
01:18:06,830 --> 01:18:07,865
a better collective bargaining

2579
01:18:07,865 --> 01:18:08,866
agreement. So there is really

2580
01:18:08,866 --> 01:18:09,767
nothing legally that stop at

2581
01:18:09,767 --> 01:18:11,535
3rd party. Managing entity is a

2582
01:18:11,535 --> 01:18:12,670
matter of the will of the

2583
01:18:12,670 --> 01:18:13,304
third-party managing entity

2584
01:18:13,304 --> 01:18:16,240
and we can build that will

2585
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,776
through worker power on the

2586
01:18:18,776 --> 01:18:19,777
job site. All just all this

2587
01:18:19,777 --> 01:18:20,477
comment that I'm interested for

2588
01:18:20,477 --> 01:18:21,278
a question first love because

2589
01:18:21,278 --> 01:18:22,110
of that. The issue has come

2590
01:18:22,110 --> 01:18:23,648
up. When I talk to constituents

2591
01:18:23,648 --> 01:18:26,617
of people about this issue of

2592
01:18:26,617 --> 01:18:27,451
small towns, right, that is

2593
01:18:27,451 --> 01:18:29,851
then the narrative being.

2594
01:18:29,987 --> 01:18:30,554
Oh, well, you know, this works

2595
01:18:30,554 --> 01:18:31,255
for Lily white, rural

2596
01:18:31,255 --> 01:18:33,857
Wisconsin. They have a little

2597
01:18:33,857 --> 01:18:34,725
weight, Jefferson, Wisconsin,

2598
01:18:34,725 --> 01:18:36,727
to have a municipal

2599
01:18:36,727 --> 01:18:38,629
utility. But nope, big, scary

2600
01:18:38,629 --> 01:18:39,195
Milwaukee. This is going to be

2601
01:18:39,195 --> 01:18:40,664
messed up. I'm here in

2602
01:18:40,664 --> 01:18:41,799
Milwaukee is the narrative that

2603
01:18:41,799 --> 01:18:42,566
the right wing and I'm sure

2604
01:18:42,566 --> 01:18:43,734
talk radio is going to be.

2605
01:18:43,734 --> 01:18:46,637
You're going to take that clip

2606
01:18:46,637 --> 01:18:48,738
and put it up on 11:30am.

2607
01:18:48,738 --> 01:18:49,740
Some point soon, too. The so

2608
01:18:49,740 --> 01:18:50,641
that's that's the narrative

2609
01:18:50,641 --> 01:18:51,341
right is like, oh, this works

2610
01:18:51,341 --> 01:18:52,900
in in small towns. The biggest

2611
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:53,610
one we have in Wisconsin as

2612
01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:54,578
Manitowoc, which I believe is

2613
01:18:54,578 --> 01:18:56,578
just over 40,000 people.

2614
01:18:57,281 --> 01:18:57,848
So barely a drop compared to

2615
01:18:57,848 --> 01:18:58,482
what we have is forced

2616
01:18:58,482 --> 01:18:59,750
population. But you made a

2617
01:18:59,750 --> 01:19:02,486
comedy one time that it cares

2618
01:19:02,486 --> 01:19:03,554
if you could elaborate more

2619
01:19:03,554 --> 01:19:05,220
on that. There was some of the

2620
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:07,559
reasons that we don't have more

2621
01:19:07,559 --> 01:19:08,359
of these big city utilities

2622
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:11,359
because of the political will

2623
01:19:11,362 --> 01:19:11,929
that the utility industry has

2624
01:19:11,929 --> 01:19:13,364
to squash these things

2625
01:19:13,364 --> 01:19:15,366
specifically lake in Cleveland

2626
01:19:15,366 --> 01:19:16,300
when Dennis Kuz it was the

2627
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:18,435
mayor. How the the actually try

2628
01:19:18,435 --> 01:19:20,504
to wrestle the Cleveland

2629
01:19:20,504 --> 01:19:21,337
utility from the city and put

2630
01:19:21,337 --> 01:19:22,473
back in private hands. I'm not

2631
01:19:22,473 --> 01:19:23,474
saying you need to be clear

2632
01:19:23,474 --> 01:19:24,208
that situation. But the gist is

2633
01:19:24,208 --> 01:19:24,907
that what you're seeing is that

2634
01:19:24,907 --> 01:19:25,609
what you guys are seeing that

2635
01:19:25,609 --> 01:19:28,211
there's a political is more of

2636
01:19:28,211 --> 01:19:29,313
a political fight regarding

2637
01:19:29,313 --> 01:19:31,382
with the big cities.

2638
01:19:31,382 --> 01:19:33,350
Yes, absolutely. And you know,

2639
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:34,418
and I think part of the reason

2640
01:19:34,418 --> 01:19:36,850
the big cities are often run

2641
01:19:36,850 --> 01:19:37,554
by investor owned utility are

2642
01:19:37,554 --> 01:19:39,954
served by investor owned

2643
01:19:40,924 --> 01:19:43,761
utilities or that, you know,

2644
01:19:43,761 --> 01:19:44,928
when electricity first.

2645
01:19:44,928 --> 01:19:46,230
I guess. Yeah, the investor

2646
01:19:46,230 --> 01:19:48,165
owned utilities were willing to

2647
01:19:48,165 --> 01:19:50,301
serve those large communities

2648
01:19:50,301 --> 01:19:51,168
because they were profitable

2649
01:19:51,168 --> 01:19:53,102
and they weren't willing to

2650
01:19:53,102 --> 01:19:55,102
serve smaller communities.

2651
01:19:55,172 --> 01:19:57,740
So that's why public power

2652
01:19:57,740 --> 01:19:58,309
utilities started in small and

2653
01:19:58,309 --> 01:20:00,144
rural electric cooperatives.

2654
01:20:00,144 --> 01:20:00,744
Strip started in small

2655
01:20:00,744 --> 01:20:01,444
communities because the

2656
01:20:01,444 --> 01:20:02,179
investor owned utilities were

2657
01:20:02,179 --> 01:20:04,148
willing to serve them. That was

2658
01:20:04,148 --> 01:20:05,415
the only way they could get

2659
01:20:05,415 --> 01:20:06,500
power. So that's why you see a

2660
01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:09,500
lot of large utilities are

2661
01:20:09,585 --> 01:20:11,985
currently served by investor

2662
01:20:12,656 --> 01:20:13,323
owned utilities

2663
01:20:13,323 --> 01:20:14,570
we have seen a handful that

2664
01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:15,759
have transitioned from investor

2665
01:20:15,759 --> 01:20:18,159
owned utilities to public

2666
01:20:18,228 --> 01:20:21,228
power. They don't because the

2667
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:23,468
company's Hilla t. We'll lose a

2668
01:20:23,468 --> 01:20:25,703
lot of money if they were to

2669
01:20:25,703 --> 01:20:26,503
form of public power utility

2670
01:20:26,503 --> 01:20:27,170
there, you know, by Milwaukee

2671
01:20:27,170 --> 01:20:29,773
forming a public or utility,

2672
01:20:29,773 --> 01:20:31,775
they're losing a million

2673
01:20:31,775 --> 01:20:33,677
customers. They're more willing

2674
01:20:33,677 --> 01:20:34,377
to give up a community of

2675
01:20:34,377 --> 01:20:36,777
20,000 customers than they are

2676
01:20:39,216 --> 01:20:40,384
larger community. So they're

2677
01:20:40,384 --> 01:20:41,351
going to fight it much harder.

2678
01:20:41,351 --> 01:20:42,386
They're going to there will be

2679
01:20:42,386 --> 01:20:43,530
loss or suits. There will be pr

2680
01:20:43,530 --> 01:20:43,754
campaigns and you have to be

2681
01:20:43,754 --> 01:20:46,754
prepared for that. But they're

2682
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,625
not going to give up easily

2683
01:20:48,625 --> 01:20:49,325
because it's a it's a lot of

2684
01:20:49,325 --> 01:20:50,894
profit. A lot of customers, a

2685
01:20:50,894 --> 01:20:53,894
lot of revenue that they're

2686
01:20:54,198 --> 01:20:56,700
going to lose by by losing

2687
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:58,269
these larger cities.

2688
01:20:58,269 --> 01:20:58,969
I would like to add to our

2689
01:20:58,969 --> 01:21:01,369
experience in the public

2690
01:21:01,839 --> 01:21:03,674
Service Commission docket work

2691
01:21:03,674 --> 01:21:06,674
the last 4 years. He's made

2692
01:21:06,978 --> 01:21:10,578
it really clear and attempts to

2693
01:21:11,248 --> 01:21:13,248
to like prohibit.

2694
01:21:14,117 --> 01:21:14,818
We energies use of rate payer

2695
01:21:14,818 --> 01:21:16,787
dollars to effectively lobby

2696
01:21:16,787 --> 01:21:19,187
against public interest rates.

2697
01:21:20,658 --> 01:21:21,659
So they making campaign and

2698
01:21:21,659 --> 01:21:23,460
political donations. They are

2699
01:21:23,460 --> 01:21:24,194
slap a new name on any

2700
01:21:24,194 --> 01:21:25,496
building. Even if that building

2701
01:21:25,496 --> 01:21:29,990
has to do with I don't know

2702
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:31,268
that climate science or public

2703
01:21:31,268 --> 01:21:31,969
health, which is

2704
01:21:31,969 --> 01:21:34,969
again, insane using our our

2705
01:21:35,272 --> 01:21:35,939
money right to do all their

2706
01:21:35,939 --> 01:21:37,675
pr stuff. In some cases, we

2707
01:21:37,675 --> 01:21:40,750
discovered that they're paying

2708
01:21:40,979 --> 01:21:42,979
their attorneys over $3,000

2709
01:21:44,882 --> 01:21:45,649
an hour.

2710
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:46,383
We're $1000 an hour. It's in

2711
01:21:46,383 --> 01:21:48,783
regardless. It's insane, right?

2712
01:21:51,488 --> 01:21:54,488
But that's not their money.

2713
01:21:55,893 --> 01:21:56,794
That's that's our money.

2714
01:21:56,794 --> 01:21:58,295
So I just I think it's very

2715
01:21:58,295 --> 01:22:01,597
important right to on the one

2716
01:22:01,597 --> 01:22:04,834
hand to know that like that's

2717
01:22:04,834 --> 01:22:06,737
reckless use of public funds

2718
01:22:06,737 --> 01:22:07,871
rate for relief for private

2719
01:22:07,871 --> 01:22:08,738
gain. That also really works

2720
01:22:08,738 --> 01:22:09,406
and distorts our political

2721
01:22:09,406 --> 01:22:11,475
system. So it becomes really

2722
01:22:11,475 --> 01:22:13,875
difficult to find political

2723
01:22:16,810 --> 01:22:18,315
solutions in a situation where

2724
01:22:18,315 --> 01:22:19,490
you have such thorough.

2725
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:21,352
Corporate capture of regulatory

2726
01:22:21,352 --> 01:22:22,453
agencies and the Legislature

2727
01:22:22,453 --> 01:22:25,550
by extension. And thank you so

2728
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:25,723
much that Brennan Mike's my

2729
01:22:25,723 --> 01:22:27,790
question to the Idw would be

2730
01:22:27,790 --> 01:22:29,526
that, you know what? We seem to

2731
01:22:29,526 --> 01:22:31,128
have the bones of a path here

2732
01:22:31,128 --> 01:22:31,928
to honor what you guys have

2733
01:22:31,928 --> 01:22:34,928
with we energies, if not

2734
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,320
improve it for the day-to-day

2735
01:22:38,736 --> 01:22:39,435
worker and so we have this path

2736
01:22:39,435 --> 01:22:41,805
and if we are able to outline

2737
01:22:41,805 --> 01:22:42,505
and find even more about this

2738
01:22:42,505 --> 01:22:45,342
path and clarify it, will the

2739
01:22:45,342 --> 01:22:48,342
ibew public to support this?

2740
01:22:49,446 --> 01:22:50,380
Kelly comment whether or not

2741
01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:53,380
they're going to support or

2742
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:54,183
not, the ibew, his best

2743
01:22:54,183 --> 01:22:57,530
interest is really just getting

2744
01:22:57,530 --> 01:22:57,521
the best contract and benefits

2745
01:22:57,521 --> 01:22:58,189
for its members.

2746
01:22:58,189 --> 01:22:58,789
That's the only thing I can

2747
01:22:58,789 --> 01:23:01,692
really say to that is a

2748
01:23:01,692 --> 01:23:02,326
community benefit coming to

2749
01:23:02,326 --> 01:23:04,326
your guys considerations.

2750
01:23:05,262 --> 01:23:07,597
Yes, I can be a question for

2751
01:23:07,597 --> 01:23:09,433
me. Sorry, okay.

2752
01:23:09,433 --> 01:23:10,633
The what I've seen with my

2753
01:23:10,633 --> 01:23:12,236
brothers and sisters in the

2754
01:23:12,236 --> 01:23:12,970
ibew across this country is

2755
01:23:12,970 --> 01:23:14,737
that there's been a politically

2756
01:23:14,737 --> 01:23:15,673
joined the utilities to oppose

2757
01:23:15,673 --> 01:23:16,373
these things. For example, in

2758
01:23:16,373 --> 01:23:19,373
Maine, the question of public

2759
01:23:20,244 --> 01:23:20,844
ownership was on the ballot

2760
01:23:20,844 --> 01:23:23,113
in Maine. In addition to

2761
01:23:23,113 --> 01:23:23,781
utilities, spending on a

2762
01:23:23,781 --> 01:23:24,547
misleading ad campaign. The

2763
01:23:24,547 --> 01:23:26,483
ibew joined with millions of

2764
01:23:26,483 --> 01:23:27,518
dollars expended out of its

2765
01:23:27,518 --> 01:23:29,518
political action committee.

2766
01:23:32,891 --> 01:23:33,589
As far as the vote. No campaign

2767
01:23:33,589 --> 01:23:35,293
in Maine. Are you aware of any

2768
01:23:35,293 --> 01:23:36,600
place in the United States

2769
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,600
where the Idw has supported

2770
01:23:39,363 --> 01:23:42,363
public power of public power.

2771
01:23:42,933 --> 01:23:44,340
Endeavor.

2772
01:23:44,340 --> 01:23:44,702
I am not aware of a vice chair

2773
01:23:44,702 --> 01:23:47,638
in the union and operations

2774
01:23:47,638 --> 01:23:48,439
dispatchers says about the

2775
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:49,873
level I have.

2776
01:23:49,873 --> 01:23:50,507
And that's what I just want to

2777
01:23:50,507 --> 01:23:51,141
assure these questions is

2778
01:23:51,141 --> 01:23:52,375
questions, get get put out

2779
01:23:52,375 --> 01:23:53,744
there. I mean, we stand in

2780
01:23:53,744 --> 01:23:55,212
solidarity with rather it like

2781
01:23:55,212 --> 01:23:55,845
and we want, you know, we want

2782
01:23:55,845 --> 01:23:58,845
every dispatcher to have a

2783
01:24:00,818 --> 01:24:04,210
better job. We just want the

2784
01:24:04,210 --> 01:24:07,621
ceo did not have a job

2785
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:13,163
and like that's that's where

2786
01:24:13,163 --> 01:24:14,999
that's where a little too early

2787
01:24:14,999 --> 01:24:15,666
for. Our our case is not

2788
01:24:15,666 --> 01:24:16,333
against anybody. A member of

2789
01:24:16,333 --> 01:24:17,500
the committee member of bwi

2790
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:19,436
that I think a lot of the

2791
01:24:19,436 --> 01:24:20,670
members of the committee are

2792
01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:23,700
disappointed with iv w's

2793
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:25,509
continued support of we

2794
01:24:25,509 --> 01:24:26,877
energies publicly on its

2795
01:24:26,877 --> 01:24:27,477
lockstep support up. And also,

2796
01:24:27,477 --> 01:24:29,113
frankly, in a week it w

2797
01:24:29,113 --> 01:24:31,513
standing with the construction

2798
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:33,650
of data centers because of its

2799
01:24:33,650 --> 01:24:34,385
support for ai. I think a lot

2800
01:24:34,385 --> 01:24:36,620
of people are disappointed that

2801
01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:37,656
because we want to be in

2802
01:24:37,656 --> 01:24:38,555
solidarity with you all.

2803
01:24:38,555 --> 01:24:39,256
But we're not seeing solidarity

2804
01:24:39,256 --> 01:24:39,857
for the cup for the community,

2805
01:24:39,857 --> 01:24:42,257
from the Brotherhood of

2806
01:24:42,393 --> 01:24:44,793
electrical workers at this

2807
01:24:46,964 --> 01:24:47,698
time.

2808
01:24:47,698 --> 01:24:48,365
That's what we do best. We pull

2809
01:24:48,365 --> 01:24:51,870
double that. So we build the

2810
01:24:51,870 --> 01:24:52,569
worker, an economy that we

2811
01:24:52,569 --> 01:24:53,270
want. You I'm very frank about

2812
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:56,440
that. Like that's how we build

2813
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:57,140
is what we all stand together.

2814
01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:59,809
In 1, 1, union when one union

2815
01:24:59,809 --> 01:25:00,377
says that my interest come

2816
01:25:00,377 --> 01:25:03,247
before the rest of the

2817
01:25:03,247 --> 01:25:04,148
community, everybody sees that

2818
01:25:04,148 --> 01:25:05,315
when they might win. Union says

2819
01:25:05,315 --> 01:25:07,217
ai data centers are so

2820
01:25:07,217 --> 01:25:08,353
important that we have to have

2821
01:25:08,353 --> 01:25:09,620
the political will to build

2822
01:25:09,620 --> 01:25:10,353
them and constructing I don't I

2823
01:25:10,353 --> 01:25:10,955
don't begrudge anybody building

2824
01:25:10,955 --> 01:25:11,622
that. That is what I do.

2825
01:25:11,622 --> 01:25:12,588
Not begrudge the day-to-day

2826
01:25:12,588 --> 01:25:13,925
worker at a data center because

2827
01:25:13,925 --> 01:25:17,280
they have a job and they need

2828
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:17,729
to feed their families too.

2829
01:25:17,729 --> 01:25:20,631
But as an institution, I would

2830
01:25:20,631 --> 01:25:21,298
call in the Idw to join the

2831
01:25:21,298 --> 01:25:24,201
rest of committees to oppose

2832
01:25:24,201 --> 01:25:27,504
data centers and up and join us

2833
01:25:27,504 --> 01:25:29,904
in opposing we energies.

2834
01:25:30,841 --> 01:25:32,977
I will say to the ibew credit,

2835
01:25:32,977 --> 01:25:34,178
you know, the dnc has met with

2836
01:25:34,178 --> 01:25:35,145
you guys like you could.

2837
01:25:35,145 --> 01:25:38,145
We have had conversation like

2838
01:25:38,148 --> 01:25:40,351
there's not been a closed door.

2839
01:25:40,351 --> 01:25:41,419
I can really appreciate that

2840
01:25:41,419 --> 01:25:42,119
So but I just don't want to

2841
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:42,785
offer these things. We have a

2842
01:25:42,785 --> 01:25:45,122
legal path. We have a legal

2843
01:25:45,122 --> 01:25:45,823
path of the union to set up a

2844
01:25:45,823 --> 01:25:48,926
worker co-op and make it make

2845
01:25:48,926 --> 01:25:51,662
and get on the best deal it can

2846
01:25:51,662 --> 01:25:52,363
from that co-op it is legal

2847
01:25:52,363 --> 01:25:53,290
for Good Corcoran. Costa have

2848
01:25:53,290 --> 01:25:53,764
union contracts, a live mic,

2849
01:25:53,764 --> 01:25:54,698
Seminole Strange. But that is a

2850
01:25:54,698 --> 01:25:57,980
legal arrangement that could

2851
01:25:58,736 --> 01:25:59,403
be created under existing law.

2852
01:25:59,403 --> 01:26:00,503
Were you guys could set the

2853
01:26:00,503 --> 01:26:01,538
wages and benefits that that

2854
01:26:01,538 --> 01:26:02,206
you want and then we could have

2855
01:26:02,206 --> 01:26:03,573
a managing entity and that's

2856
01:26:03,573 --> 01:26:05,609
until we get back 10

2857
01:26:05,609 --> 01:26:07,760
overturned, which I think MAY

2858
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:07,710
happen so it like and then you

2859
01:26:07,710 --> 01:26:08,379
know that we can have you

2860
01:26:08,379 --> 01:26:11,979
joined the, you know, in the

2861
01:26:12,817 --> 01:26:13,884
Derby could have a contract

2862
01:26:13,884 --> 01:26:15,686
with the city to the question

2863
01:26:15,686 --> 01:26:16,353
of the grid because I do want

2864
01:26:16,353 --> 01:26:16,987
to come back. I think maybe

2865
01:26:16,987 --> 01:26:19,987
Ursula can speak to this.

2866
01:26:20,491 --> 01:26:21,724
The question of of the grid

2867
01:26:21,724 --> 01:26:22,693
like I mean, I really

2868
01:26:22,693 --> 01:26:23,527
appreciate what we are just

2869
01:26:23,527 --> 01:26:24,228
been saying that they're that

2870
01:26:24,228 --> 01:26:24,894
they're more efficient, a grid

2871
01:26:24,894 --> 01:26:25,562
white. I mean, that's that's

2872
01:26:25,562 --> 01:26:28,198
the case for taking over the

2873
01:26:28,198 --> 01:26:30,433
entire grid crosses in her

2874
01:26:30,433 --> 01:26:32,535
state or nation, bring all that

2875
01:26:32,535 --> 01:26:34,371
under public First, let like.

2876
01:26:34,371 --> 01:26:35,506
Maybe you can comment like,

2877
01:26:35,506 --> 01:26:38,309
for example, La is is the

2878
01:26:38,309 --> 01:26:39,576
largest municipal utility in

2879
01:26:39,576 --> 01:26:40,878
the country. I mean, they

2880
01:26:40,878 --> 01:26:42,746
probably have a ring of suburbs

2881
01:26:42,746 --> 01:26:44,881
that with Pg e I believe the

2882
01:26:44,881 --> 01:26:46,250
Genie Service territory.

2883
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:46,884
What la for getting the exact

2884
01:26:46,884 --> 01:26:47,583
name of their utility, but

2885
01:26:47,583 --> 01:26:48,284
cell. And I think I know some

2886
01:26:48,284 --> 01:26:50,654
people from the public comment

2887
01:26:50,654 --> 01:26:54,250
or to be sharing some stories

2888
01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:55,826
about the la above power and

2889
01:26:55,826 --> 01:26:56,760
light as well. But

2890
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,929
you know how it how easily been

2891
01:26:58,929 --> 01:27:00,464
as far as as far as its ability

2892
01:27:00,464 --> 01:27:01,131
the Palisades fire happened?

2893
01:27:01,131 --> 01:27:01,798
You know that what reckless?

2894
01:27:01,798 --> 01:27:04,234
I mean, how did how did the

2895
01:27:04,234 --> 01:27:05,234
public power utility respond to

2896
01:27:05,234 --> 01:27:07,237
that and how to respond on a

2897
01:27:07,237 --> 01:27:07,938
day to day, even if it is an

2898
01:27:07,938 --> 01:27:10,808
island amidst pga Pacific Gas

2899
01:27:10,808 --> 01:27:13,208
and electric side service

2900
01:27:14,110 --> 01:27:16,110
territory.

2901
01:27:17,915 --> 01:27:21,185
Well, I mean, I would say, you

2902
01:27:21,185 --> 01:27:23,720
know, once again, it comes down

2903
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:24,421
to that local oversight.

2904
01:27:24,421 --> 01:27:27,323
And, you know, when there are

2905
01:27:27,323 --> 01:27:27,725
issues within the community or

2906
01:27:27,725 --> 01:27:29,725
the utility.

2907
01:27:32,162 --> 01:27:34,530
The committee, the utility has

2908
01:27:34,530 --> 01:27:36,930
to respond. Because customers

2909
01:27:38,902 --> 01:27:39,503
are. They're demanding answers.

2910
01:27:39,503 --> 01:27:41,380
And the ceo and all the

2911
01:27:41,380 --> 01:27:44,800
employees live and work in the

2912
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:44,642
community, they can walk up to

2913
01:27:44,642 --> 01:27:47,845
the cfo of the Los Angeles

2914
01:27:47,845 --> 01:27:48,612
Department of Water and Power

2915
01:27:48,612 --> 01:27:51,482
in the grocery store. You know,

2916
01:27:51,482 --> 01:27:54,482
they have immediate access to

2917
01:27:54,518 --> 01:27:57,620
them. You can call the mayor

2918
01:27:57,620 --> 01:27:58,355
and that is that encourage it

2919
01:27:58,355 --> 01:28:01,355
forces the utilities to address

2920
01:28:01,392 --> 01:28:03,527
the needs that that part of

2921
01:28:03,527 --> 01:28:04,227
a concern. And of course there

2922
01:28:04,227 --> 01:28:04,894
are there are wildfires in la

2923
01:28:04,894 --> 01:28:08,164
as well and they have to But

2924
01:28:08,164 --> 01:28:11,764
they have done a really good

2925
01:28:12,336 --> 01:28:13,338
job.

2926
01:28:13,338 --> 01:28:14,400
Restoring and rebuilding their

2927
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:14,705
system since that last wild

2928
01:28:14,705 --> 01:28:17,241
fire. And we actually we have

2929
01:28:17,241 --> 01:28:19,242
our cold front and national

2930
01:28:19,242 --> 01:28:20,177
conference coming up starting

2931
01:28:20,177 --> 01:28:22,246
tomorrow. And we have the

2932
01:28:22,246 --> 01:28:23,247
interim general manager from

2933
01:28:23,247 --> 01:28:26,247
Los Angeles Department of Water

2934
01:28:26,350 --> 01:28:27,183
and Power coming to talk about

2935
01:28:27,183 --> 01:28:28,686
how they went through that

2936
01:28:28,686 --> 01:28:29,353
restoration effort and what

2937
01:28:29,353 --> 01:28:31,755
they've learned and how can

2938
01:28:31,755 --> 01:28:33,757
other public power utilities

2939
01:28:33,757 --> 01:28:34,925
learn from them. So that's it.

2940
01:28:34,925 --> 01:28:35,591
The public power network is

2941
01:28:35,591 --> 01:28:38,591
really strong. The we learn

2942
01:28:38,895 --> 01:28:39,897
from one another, they're

2943
01:28:39,897 --> 01:28:40,797
willing to share best

2944
01:28:40,797 --> 01:28:42,333
practices. And that's what a

2945
01:28:42,333 --> 01:28:42,900
ppa is there to do is to make

2946
01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:44,330
sure that public power

2947
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:46,433
utilities have an opportunity

2948
01:28:47,104 --> 01:28:48,172
to learn from one another.

2949
01:28:48,172 --> 01:28:49,339
Thank you so much and it seemed

2950
01:28:49,339 --> 01:28:51,475
to me there was mutual aid from

2951
01:28:51,475 --> 01:28:52,344
what I read these materials

2952
01:28:52,344 --> 01:28:54,445
that when when the la well

2953
01:28:54,445 --> 01:28:56,146
first happened, there was

2954
01:28:56,146 --> 01:28:56,913
mutual aid from other municipal

2955
01:28:56,913 --> 01:28:57,614
utilities. The came in, we have

2956
01:28:57,614 --> 01:28:59,917
municipal utilities around the

2957
01:28:59,917 --> 01:29:00,551
state of Wisconsin as well.

2958
01:29:00,551 --> 01:29:01,819
We have wp Pa and I would

2959
01:29:01,819 --> 01:29:03,953
appreciate you explain a little

2960
01:29:03,953 --> 01:29:05,789
more about that because that's

2961
01:29:05,789 --> 01:29:07,924
as a joint action agency.

2962
01:29:07,924 --> 01:29:09,860
They build generation work with

2963
01:29:09,860 --> 01:29:10,494
municipal utilities like so

2964
01:29:10,494 --> 01:29:11,227
there's already it. Please

2965
01:29:11,227 --> 01:29:12,630
confirm this. There's the right

2966
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:15,566
now in Wisconsin that exist

2967
01:29:15,566 --> 01:29:17,966
today that municipal utility

2968
01:29:19,670 --> 01:29:20,237
Milwaukee could link him to

2969
01:29:20,237 --> 01:29:20,938
to for support and and

2970
01:29:20,938 --> 01:29:23,338
generation facilities. And our

2971
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:24,241
could you please just elaborate

2972
01:29:24,241 --> 01:29:24,907
more on toward action agencies

2973
01:29:24,907 --> 01:29:27,307
are essentially their groups

2974
01:29:27,578 --> 01:29:30,578
of public power, utilities that

2975
01:29:30,881 --> 01:29:31,449
come together for power supply.

2976
01:29:31,449 --> 01:29:33,449
So wpp,

2977
01:29:35,252 --> 01:29:35,985
I energy is a joint action

2978
01:29:35,985 --> 01:29:38,622
agency that has members thereby

2979
01:29:38,622 --> 01:29:40,457
believe they have 50 or more

2980
01:29:40,457 --> 01:29:42,857
members in Wisconsin and

2981
01:29:43,594 --> 01:29:44,295
surrounding states. But there

2982
01:29:44,295 --> 01:29:44,995
are joint action agencies all

2983
01:29:44,995 --> 01:29:46,730
across the country. There are

2984
01:29:46,730 --> 01:29:49,660
some in and whether you were

2985
01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:51,668
served by wpp. I energy either

2986
01:29:51,668 --> 01:29:53,404
is American municipal power at

2987
01:29:53,404 --> 01:29:54,137
There are several in Minnesota

2988
01:29:54,137 --> 01:29:57,137
and so those are opportunities.

2989
01:29:57,875 --> 01:29:58,842
So you don't have to build your

2990
01:29:58,842 --> 01:29:59,677
own power supply and joint

2991
01:29:59,677 --> 01:30:00,377
action agencies can small surf,

2992
01:30:00,377 --> 01:30:02,777
small communities, but they

2993
01:30:04,515 --> 01:30:05,348
also serve Los Angeles

2994
01:30:05,348 --> 01:30:06,830
Department of Water Power,

2995
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:06,917
Pasadena, a lot of those larger

2996
01:30:06,917 --> 01:30:09,317
California utilities are served

2997
01:30:10,855 --> 01:30:12,222
by the Southern California

2998
01:30:12,222 --> 01:30:14,425
Public Power Authority. So it

2999
01:30:14,425 --> 01:30:17,425
it's not a unique situation.

3000
01:30:18,362 --> 01:30:18,996
It's all across the country

3001
01:30:18,996 --> 01:30:20,464
and there they are. These

3002
01:30:20,464 --> 01:30:23,333
provide both power supply that

3003
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:24,340
many of them provide additional

3004
01:30:24,340 --> 01:30:27,340
services, whether it be energy

3005
01:30:27,438 --> 01:30:28,305
efficiency programs, it MAY be

3006
01:30:28,305 --> 01:30:29,380
safety training. Get the

3007
01:30:29,380 --> 01:30:32,380
they've certain they provide a

3008
01:30:32,976 --> 01:30:34,178
number of resources to help

3009
01:30:34,178 --> 01:30:35,112
public power utilities provide

3010
01:30:35,112 --> 01:30:37,512
better service to their

3011
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:39,816
customers. So this wouldn't be

3012
01:30:39,816 --> 01:30:40,484
Milwaukee. Just going it alone.

3013
01:30:40,484 --> 01:30:41,485
Now, there's that we're here

3014
01:30:41,485 --> 01:30:43,386
for you guys that you have like

3015
01:30:43,386 --> 01:30:44,200
80 staff and your offices in

3016
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,422
Washington that are in the

3017
01:30:45,422 --> 01:30:46,190
Washington area that service

3018
01:30:46,190 --> 01:30:48,190
public power, utilities.

3019
01:30:50,227 --> 01:30:50,827
And so I just want to confirm

3020
01:30:50,827 --> 01:30:52,463
that lake, the level of

3021
01:30:52,463 --> 01:30:55,463
expertise that we energies MAY

3022
01:30:56,532 --> 01:30:58,569
have because of larger size

3023
01:30:58,569 --> 01:30:59,536
couldn't be. We can provide an

3024
01:30:59,536 --> 01:31:01,372
equal support for a public

3025
01:31:01,372 --> 01:31:02,380
power entity in Milwaukee as

3026
01:31:02,380 --> 01:31:04,438
well. Absolutely. In public

3027
01:31:05,174 --> 01:31:05,808
pair utilities higher from the

3028
01:31:05,808 --> 01:31:08,808
same pool of employees and

3029
01:31:09,145 --> 01:31:10,140
individuals that investor owned

3030
01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:12,182
utilities higher from many of

3031
01:31:12,182 --> 01:31:13,483
our the general managers are

3032
01:31:13,483 --> 01:31:15,252
CEOs of our utilities come from

3033
01:31:15,252 --> 01:31:15,919
investor owned utilities and

3034
01:31:15,919 --> 01:31:19,519
vice versa. So there is a

3035
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:21,925
there's it's not like there's

3036
01:31:21,925 --> 01:31:22,593
just a that employee pool for

3037
01:31:22,593 --> 01:31:24,993
investor owned utilities and

3038
01:31:25,729 --> 01:31:28,980
co-ops and investor unease or

3039
01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:28,732
public care utilities.

3040
01:31:28,732 --> 01:31:29,500
It's everybody. So you're

3041
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:32,690
pulling from the same workforce

3042
01:31:32,690 --> 01:31:32,736
that we energies is calling

3043
01:31:32,736 --> 01:31:35,736
for, calling from. And then

3044
01:31:36,273 --> 01:31:37,700
like I said before, the public

3045
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:39,243
power community, there are 2000

3046
01:31:39,243 --> 01:31:42,546
public care utilities in the in

3047
01:31:42,546 --> 01:31:44,810
the U.S. They have over time.

3048
01:31:44,810 --> 01:31:44,781
Over at probably over a

3049
01:31:44,781 --> 01:31:48,510
million. I don't know how many

3050
01:31:48,510 --> 01:31:48,686
employees they have off the top

3051
01:31:48,686 --> 01:31:50,988
of my head. But, you know,

3052
01:31:50,988 --> 01:31:51,688
hundreds of thousands, if not

3053
01:31:51,688 --> 01:31:52,289
more employees, they come to.

3054
01:31:52,289 --> 01:31:54,689
They come together. They

3055
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:55,926
support one another through

3056
01:31:55,926 --> 01:31:56,560
mutual aid. We have events

3057
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,295
where they come together.

3058
01:31:58,295 --> 01:32:01,295
We have our national conference

3059
01:32:02,660 --> 01:32:02,765
where we have 2000, almost 2000

3060
01:32:02,765 --> 01:32:05,765
people coming this weekend to

3061
01:32:06,103 --> 01:32:07,370
hear from other public power

3062
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:08,338
utilities network make

3063
01:32:08,338 --> 01:32:10,174
connections so they can call

3064
01:32:10,174 --> 01:32:13,344
each other when there is a

3065
01:32:13,344 --> 01:32:15,212
crisis and or they just need

3066
01:32:15,212 --> 01:32:17,214
help. They have questions and

3067
01:32:17,214 --> 01:32:18,381
ap can can be a convener for

3068
01:32:18,381 --> 01:32:20,250
that. But you also have the

3069
01:32:20,250 --> 01:32:21,385
municipal electric utilities of

3070
01:32:21,385 --> 01:32:22,180
Wisconsin there. And it's those

3071
01:32:22,180 --> 01:32:24,880
state association here in

3072
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:24,788
Wisconsin that represents the

3073
01:32:24,788 --> 01:32:26,590
Wisconsin utilities. You have

3074
01:32:26,590 --> 01:32:28,691
the joint action agency.

3075
01:32:28,691 --> 01:32:30,861
So there's a really strong

3076
01:32:30,861 --> 01:32:33,861
their work within public power

3077
01:32:34,980 --> 01:32:35,332
for support and resources to

3078
01:32:35,332 --> 01:32:36,199
assist. Thank you so much.

3079
01:32:36,199 --> 01:32:37,167
I MAY have further questions

3080
01:32:37,167 --> 01:32:38,202
come, but I noticed I want to

3081
01:32:38,202 --> 01:32:40,471
other people ask what are the

3082
01:32:40,471 --> 01:32:41,138
questions from members of the

3083
01:32:41,138 --> 01:32:43,373
board before we go to public

3084
01:32:43,373 --> 01:32:44,742
commentary and just a quick

3085
01:32:44,742 --> 01:32:47,742
question, her assault, if we

3086
01:32:48,712 --> 01:32:49,680
go to this model of publicly

3087
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,482
owned utility in Milwaukee

3088
01:32:51,482 --> 01:32:54,482
doesn't mean Milwaukee has to

3089
01:32:54,551 --> 01:32:57,551
build its own power plant,

3090
01:32:57,687 --> 01:32:58,555
right? They can buy on the open

3091
01:32:58,555 --> 01:32:59,223
from And so can you live right

3092
01:32:59,223 --> 01:33:00,790
on that? Because some people

3093
01:33:00,790 --> 01:33:01,659
MAY be scattered. All we have

3094
01:33:01,659 --> 01:33:03,594
to build their own power plant.

3095
01:33:03,594 --> 01:33:04,561
Yeah, absolutely. The vast

3096
01:33:04,561 --> 01:33:05,229
majority of public power

3097
01:33:05,229 --> 01:33:07,629
utilities do not own

3098
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:12,990
generation. Some of them own

3099
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:12,870
small peaking units but very

3100
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:15,270
few own generation themselves.

3101
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:17,107
They buy it on the open market

3102
01:33:17,107 --> 01:33:19,610
or they work through joint

3103
01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:20,377
action agencies or partner with

3104
01:33:20,377 --> 01:33:22,777
other public power utilities,

3105
01:33:24,348 --> 01:33:24,983
even so definitely you can own

3106
01:33:24,983 --> 01:33:26,983
some generation sometimes

3107
01:33:27,184 --> 01:33:28,452
public power utilities are more

3108
01:33:28,452 --> 01:33:31,452
inclined to maybe have solar

3109
01:33:32,289 --> 01:33:33,257
generation or wind generation

3110
01:33:33,257 --> 01:33:34,223
or renewable generation

3111
01:33:34,223 --> 01:33:35,225
locally. But it really that's

3112
01:33:35,225 --> 01:33:36,126
it's really the decision that

3113
01:33:36,126 --> 01:33:37,962
the community makes on whether

3114
01:33:37,962 --> 01:33:40,130
you have that or whether you

3115
01:33:40,130 --> 01:33:40,964
purchase it on the open market.

3116
01:33:40,964 --> 01:33:41,732
And that's where the

3117
01:33:41,732 --> 01:33:43,634
feasibility study is an

3118
01:33:43,634 --> 01:33:46,370
important part of that. It can

3119
01:33:46,370 --> 01:33:49,273
look at what the options are,

3120
01:33:49,273 --> 01:33:51,207
you know, and what is important

3121
01:33:51,207 --> 01:33:51,842
to you as a community and work

3122
01:33:51,842 --> 01:33:52,509
that into the feasibility

3123
01:33:52,509 --> 01:33:54,909
analysis and determine what

3124
01:33:55,279 --> 01:33:57,140
the costs would be. If you

3125
01:33:57,140 --> 01:33:58,916
chose to.

3126
01:33:58,916 --> 01:33:59,583
Invest in whatever you would

3127
01:33:59,583 --> 01:34:00,986
like to invest in. Yeah, we

3128
01:34:00,986 --> 01:34:03,354
energies has been particularly

3129
01:34:03,354 --> 01:34:03,921
bad. I understand and buying

3130
01:34:03,921 --> 01:34:05,921
renewable energy from

3131
01:34:07,392 --> 01:34:08,424
individuals who has put solar

3132
01:34:08,424 --> 01:34:11,428
panels on the roof. And so with

3133
01:34:11,428 --> 01:34:12,563
this with this model is maybe

3134
01:34:12,563 --> 01:34:13,230
maybe easier have solar panels

3135
01:34:13,230 --> 01:34:16,133
on and housing with we wear

3136
01:34:16,133 --> 01:34:17,102
than this new entity would buy

3137
01:34:17,102 --> 01:34:17,735
it.

3138
01:34:17,735 --> 01:34:19,737
Yeah, that's definitely a

3139
01:34:19,737 --> 01:34:21,639
possibility. Once again, if

3140
01:34:21,639 --> 01:34:24,390
the community wants that,

3141
01:34:24,675 --> 01:34:25,676
that's what to keep the utility

3142
01:34:25,676 --> 01:34:27,677
can do if they choose to.

3143
01:34:27,677 --> 01:34:28,379
And and I believe all on the

3144
01:34:28,379 --> 01:34:29,113
search area believe Alderwoman

3145
01:34:29,113 --> 01:34:32,713
Taylor's on the board also have

3146
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:33,717
a question in my text messages

3147
01:34:33,717 --> 01:34:36,620
I could ask is well on and so

3148
01:34:36,620 --> 01:34:40,230
that she had issued a question

3149
01:34:40,230 --> 01:34:40,658
or does he

3150
01:34:40,658 --> 01:34:44,610
want to of all the all the

3151
01:34:44,610 --> 01:34:45,963
other euro? Yeah. Hi. Thank you

3152
01:34:45,963 --> 01:34:48,999
so much for letting me ask this

3153
01:34:48,999 --> 01:34:50,900
question. I I guess I am.

3154
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:51,602
I'm excited about the idea of

3155
01:34:51,602 --> 01:34:54,200
possibility of possibly having

3156
01:34:54,872 --> 01:34:57,872
a public how utility company,

3157
01:34:57,941 --> 01:34:59,941
but

3158
01:35:02,446 --> 01:35:05,446
concern would be that with

3159
01:35:06,450 --> 01:35:08,185
that. But with the everyday

3160
01:35:08,185 --> 01:35:11,455
citizen who is has high deals.

3161
01:35:11,455 --> 01:35:12,856
So that's why this topic would

3162
01:35:12,856 --> 01:35:13,556
be of importance to me

3163
01:35:13,556 --> 01:35:16,556
because here there are houses

3164
01:35:17,962 --> 01:35:20,362
that have outdated, anything

3165
01:35:22,131 --> 01:35:22,833
can run

3166
01:35:22,833 --> 01:35:24,435
furnaces and things like that.

3167
01:35:24,435 --> 01:35:27,706
And until you have high bills

3168
01:35:27,706 --> 01:35:31,900
because of that, and so how

3169
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:31,675
does having a public power

3170
01:35:31,675 --> 01:35:33,675
utility company

3171
01:35:37,514 --> 01:35:38,716
it helped to make that better

3172
01:35:38,716 --> 01:35:39,416
for for the everyday citizen

3173
01:35:39,416 --> 01:35:40,117
and had the basically because

3174
01:35:40,117 --> 01:35:42,620
they're renting. How does that

3175
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:43,886
how does that help or how would

3176
01:35:43,886 --> 01:35:44,822
that affect them?

3177
01:35:44,822 --> 01:35:46,624
It once again, it really comes

3178
01:35:46,624 --> 01:35:48,525
down to it. That's an issue

3179
01:35:48,525 --> 01:35:49,226
that's important to the

3180
01:35:49,226 --> 01:35:51,280
community. Then public power,

3181
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,230
utilities all across the

3182
01:35:53,230 --> 01:35:54,498
country offer different

3183
01:35:54,498 --> 01:35:56,333
services every every community

3184
01:35:56,333 --> 01:35:58,469
is different. They MAY have low

3185
01:35:58,469 --> 01:36:01,469
income programs. They MAY have

3186
01:36:01,772 --> 01:36:02,172
programs where they go in and

3187
01:36:02,172 --> 01:36:04,172
renovate

3188
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,244
renovate the hvac or, you know,

3189
01:36:08,244 --> 01:36:09,913
or have contracts with

3190
01:36:09,913 --> 01:36:10,581
companies that can going to do

3191
01:36:10,581 --> 01:36:12,916
that. And that's where each

3192
01:36:12,916 --> 01:36:16,453
community is able to make the

3193
01:36:16,453 --> 01:36:17,154
decision themselves. Obviously,

3194
01:36:17,154 --> 01:36:17,820
a large investor owned utility

3195
01:36:17,820 --> 01:36:18,856
can't customize the services

3196
01:36:18,856 --> 01:36:20,758
for every single community

3197
01:36:20,758 --> 01:36:21,525
serve when they serve multiple

3198
01:36:21,525 --> 01:36:23,925
communities across many states

3199
01:36:24,928 --> 01:36:27,230
often. So that's where public

3200
01:36:27,230 --> 01:36:27,930
pair are really. It allows you

3201
01:36:27,930 --> 01:36:28,565
to decide what you want to

3202
01:36:28,565 --> 01:36:32,165
focus on. And if if that's

3203
01:36:33,804 --> 01:36:34,738
important to the community.

3204
01:36:34,738 --> 01:36:35,571
And you can develop

3205
01:36:35,571 --> 01:36:37,675
those services 2 on for the

3206
01:36:37,675 --> 01:36:38,309
two-year permit community.

3207
01:36:38,309 --> 01:36:38,975
That's exactly what public

3208
01:36:38,975 --> 01:36:41,975
power is. You can customize

3209
01:36:42,780 --> 01:36:44,416
your services to meet the needs

3210
01:36:44,416 --> 01:36:46,820
of your customers.

3211
01:36:46,820 --> 01:36:46,750
Andy. And to be backing them

3212
01:36:46,750 --> 01:36:48,752
are chair for Brian. You've

3213
01:36:48,752 --> 01:36:49,852
participated a lot of these

3214
01:36:49,852 --> 01:36:50,587
dockets before Public Service

3215
01:36:50,587 --> 01:36:52,222
Commission. Can you confirm for

3216
01:36:52,222 --> 01:36:54,892
me that the kind of mechanism

3217
01:36:54,892 --> 01:36:55,592
here like the utility makes

3218
01:36:55,592 --> 01:36:58,495
proposals to the psc and then

3219
01:36:58,495 --> 01:36:59,960
the psc adjudicate those

3220
01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:01,960
proposal. So

3221
01:37:01,165 --> 01:37:01,865
you could. I'm imagining that

3222
01:37:01,865 --> 01:37:02,533
we could make a proposal the

3223
01:37:02,533 --> 01:37:05,169
psc to make it easier and

3224
01:37:05,169 --> 01:37:05,869
better for low-income customers

3225
01:37:05,869 --> 01:37:07,700
to keep the lights on here in

3226
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:09,173
Milwaukee or potentially even

3227
01:37:09,173 --> 01:37:12,173
have a shot off moratorium,

3228
01:37:12,376 --> 01:37:13,110
like I believe, is being

3229
01:37:13,110 --> 01:37:13,811
practiced in la right now with

3230
01:37:13,811 --> 01:37:14,510
our municipal utility. I mean,

3231
01:37:14,510 --> 01:37:16,146
what you see the ripples, what

3232
01:37:16,146 --> 01:37:16,981
do you see as far as the gamut

3233
01:37:16,981 --> 01:37:17,647
in the possibility that we have

3234
01:37:17,647 --> 01:37:18,482
for proposals? The psc we I

3235
01:37:18,482 --> 01:37:20,750
believe they believe weeks left

3236
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:24,540
to go through them as a

3237
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:25,289
municipal utility. Yeah.

3238
01:37:25,289 --> 01:37:27,157
I mean, I think.

3239
01:37:27,157 --> 01:37:27,858
To some of what we were talking

3240
01:37:27,858 --> 01:37:29,693
about earlier, the regulatory

3241
01:37:29,693 --> 01:37:32,629
capture by the investor owned

3242
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:34,732
utility of the entity that is

3243
01:37:34,732 --> 01:37:36,766
supposed to regulate it is a

3244
01:37:36,766 --> 01:37:37,401
structural problem, right?

3245
01:37:37,401 --> 01:37:38,135
And so you have 4 and the

3246
01:37:38,135 --> 01:37:39,536
Department of Natural Resources

3247
01:37:39,536 --> 01:37:42,840
is is implicated in this as

3248
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:43,307
well. And of course, the

3249
01:37:43,307 --> 01:37:44,800
Legislature, 80.

3250
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,610
Because they all kind of pass

3251
01:37:46,610 --> 01:37:50,210
the buck, right? They say will.

3252
01:37:51,147 --> 01:37:52,383
And can they do that or if we

3253
01:37:52,383 --> 01:37:54,118
do do that, vote with our like

3254
01:37:54,118 --> 01:37:56,553
with the data and with

3255
01:37:56,553 --> 01:37:58,288
community concern and with

3256
01:37:58,288 --> 01:38:00,525
cetera, they will get fired

3257
01:38:00,525 --> 01:38:02,226
because the legislation, the

3258
01:38:02,226 --> 01:38:03,360
Legislature confirms

3259
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:04,610
appointments to the Public

3260
01:38:04,610 --> 01:38:06,163
Service commission. So that's

3261
01:38:06,163 --> 01:38:09,163
one problem, right? There's a

3262
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,368
structural issue about the

3263
01:38:11,368 --> 01:38:12,101
regulatory system that just

3264
01:38:12,101 --> 01:38:14,705
confers advantage to people who

3265
01:38:14,705 --> 01:38:15,738
already have power and access.

3266
01:38:15,738 --> 01:38:16,573
So that's a big problem

3267
01:38:16,573 --> 01:38:17,241
specifically to your point

3268
01:38:17,241 --> 01:38:20,177
around that. So what is our

3269
01:38:20,177 --> 01:38:21,512
experience in the dockets ban?

3270
01:38:21,512 --> 01:38:22,479
Well, that's

3271
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:23,847
was it like that's resistance,

3272
01:38:23,847 --> 01:38:26,490
right? We do not want things to

3273
01:38:26,490 --> 01:38:26,750
happen. Like rate increases.

3274
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:29,552
So will go argue against that.

3275
01:38:29,552 --> 01:38:31,322
I would say pretty

3276
01:38:31,322 --> 01:38:32,210
compellingly.

3277
01:38:32,210 --> 01:38:35,291
The outcome of that first rate

3278
01:38:35,291 --> 01:38:36,694
case in 20 to 22 win Walnut

3279
01:38:36,694 --> 01:38:38,395
Way held its ground.

3280
01:38:38,395 --> 01:38:39,290
Forced the public Service

3281
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:41,429
commission to mandate the

3282
01:38:42,534 --> 01:38:43,167
utility we energies and some

3283
01:38:43,167 --> 01:38:45,167
other intervening parties,

3284
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:49,605
including all the way to enter

3285
01:38:49,605 --> 01:38:50,641
what became a 3 year.

3286
01:38:50,641 --> 01:38:52,209
Conversation. I shouldn't

3287
01:38:52,209 --> 01:38:52,875
downplay it. It was an

3288
01:38:52,875 --> 01:38:54,875
investigative docket around

3289
01:38:55,779 --> 01:38:57,481
affordability. How are we going

3290
01:38:57,481 --> 01:38:59,481
to?

3291
01:39:00,784 --> 01:39:01,385
Collectively negotiate the

3292
01:39:01,385 --> 01:39:02,190
terms of a low-income

3293
01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:04,190
affordability program that

3294
01:39:04,822 --> 01:39:07,822
actually addresses the scale of

3295
01:39:08,125 --> 01:39:09,426
the need of the utilities

3296
01:39:09,426 --> 01:39:11,426
captive customers.

3297
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:12,863
It's a ridiculous sentence that

3298
01:39:12,863 --> 01:39:15,766
I just said, right? Yeah.

3299
01:39:15,766 --> 01:39:16,333
Okay. So making sure people are

3300
01:39:16,333 --> 01:39:18,333
clocking that.

3301
01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:21,500
Because that then falls back to

3302
01:39:21,500 --> 01:39:21,972
hey. So if resistance is really

3303
01:39:21,972 --> 01:39:22,906
hard, if what Coleman dates

3304
01:39:22,906 --> 01:39:24,207
from that 3 year, nearly

3305
01:39:24,207 --> 01:39:27,207
three-year process is a series

3306
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:28,412
of recommendations that pse

3307
01:39:28,412 --> 01:39:29,113
staff makes to the

3308
01:39:29,113 --> 01:39:32,113
commissioners. Then we are not

3309
01:39:32,116 --> 01:39:32,816
their bank because people's

3310
01:39:32,816 --> 01:39:34,751
bills aren't getting any less.

3311
01:39:34,751 --> 01:39:36,153
But the people's bills are

3312
01:39:36,153 --> 01:39:36,787
going down. They're only going

3313
01:39:36,787 --> 01:39:38,289
up. So we actually haven't

3314
01:39:38,289 --> 01:39:38,821
accomplished anything in that

3315
01:39:38,821 --> 01:39:39,823
arena except for the

3316
01:39:39,823 --> 01:39:42,823
realization that we need to

3317
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,196
do more than resist. We have to

3318
01:39:46,196 --> 01:39:48,198
build right. So that we're and

3319
01:39:48,198 --> 01:39:50,534
the psc is proactive and

3320
01:39:50,534 --> 01:39:51,268
offering grants for feasibility

3321
01:39:51,268 --> 01:39:52,670
studies around solar generation

3322
01:39:52,670 --> 01:39:55,472
right along the way is going to

3323
01:39:55,472 --> 01:39:58,375
build that some point in the

3324
01:39:58,375 --> 01:40:00,450
short order, a megawatt of

3325
01:40:00,450 --> 01:40:00,811
solar in Lindsay Heights.

3326
01:40:00,811 --> 01:40:04,411
But how do how does that

3327
01:40:04,914 --> 01:40:06,817
translate into immediate relief

3328
01:40:06,817 --> 01:40:08,785
for? Residents of Lindsay

3329
01:40:08,785 --> 01:40:09,753
Heights. That's really

3330
01:40:09,753 --> 01:40:11,588
complicated. Legally. The

3331
01:40:11,588 --> 01:40:12,288
ownership structure is a

3332
01:40:12,288 --> 01:40:14,688
complicated why? Well, again,

3333
01:40:14,758 --> 01:40:15,426
because our political system

3334
01:40:15,426 --> 01:40:16,920
has been held hostage by the

3335
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,492
dictates of private capital.

3336
01:40:19,263 --> 01:40:21,966
And Gail Clapper, you know,

3337
01:40:21,966 --> 01:40:25,135
to, but I guess what I'm what

3338
01:40:25,135 --> 01:40:25,970
I'm positive view is that like

3339
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:27,838
we could as a municipal

3340
01:40:27,838 --> 01:40:29,939
utility, then make up our own

3341
01:40:29,939 --> 01:40:31,800
positive proposals to the psc.

3342
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,420
You haven't seen anything

3343
01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:34,878
that's blocked a good idea from

3344
01:40:34,878 --> 01:40:35,947
being proposed by utility

3345
01:40:35,947 --> 01:40:36,981
except except the utility

3346
01:40:36,981 --> 01:40:38,849
investors not wanting to make

3347
01:40:38,849 --> 01:40:40,450
of proposals re? Well, I mean,

3348
01:40:40,450 --> 01:40:41,118
because as they say, like the

3349
01:40:41,118 --> 01:40:42,953
system is, the system is so

3350
01:40:42,953 --> 01:40:44,989
ridiculous. It's actually very,

3351
01:40:44,989 --> 01:40:46,390
very brittle, right? It's

3352
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:48,559
actually not all that

3353
01:40:48,559 --> 01:40:51,528
resilient. If the public knows

3354
01:40:51,528 --> 01:40:52,630
the pressure points, this is a

3355
01:40:52,630 --> 01:40:53,297
really good pressure point.

3356
01:40:53,297 --> 01:40:56,165
Now some people say this is

3357
01:40:56,165 --> 01:40:58,102
this is this doesn't make any

3358
01:40:58,102 --> 01:40:58,969
sense because if we do this,

3359
01:40:58,969 --> 01:40:59,469
then that means despite

3360
01:40:59,469 --> 01:41:00,237
everything in your

3361
01:41:00,237 --> 01:41:02,237
presentation, though, still

3362
01:41:04,608 --> 01:41:05,609
assume conclude prematurely.

3363
01:41:05,609 --> 01:41:06,410
That then that means we're just

3364
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:07,111
got the contract. We energies

3365
01:41:07,111 --> 01:41:07,777
to operate the whole thing in

3366
01:41:07,777 --> 01:41:10,177
the making charges, whatever

3367
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:11,715
they want to really lose money.

3368
01:41:11,715 --> 01:41:14,484
And that's some people are

3369
01:41:14,484 --> 01:41:16,884
running that argument right

3370
01:41:17,788 --> 01:41:19,490
now. It lacks imagination.

3371
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:21,292
It

3372
01:41:21,292 --> 01:41:21,924
also expects so. Yeah. So we

3373
01:41:21,924 --> 01:41:23,460
see it. We can't listen to

3374
01:41:23,460 --> 01:41:24,395
those people, right? We can't

3375
01:41:24,395 --> 01:41:25,361
listen to. People were saying

3376
01:41:25,361 --> 01:41:26,463
like, oh, I don't know what

3377
01:41:26,463 --> 01:41:27,298
we've done this before with

3378
01:41:27,298 --> 01:41:27,931
down the block. They've done it

3379
01:41:27,931 --> 01:41:29,931
successfully for decades.

3380
01:41:31,302 --> 01:41:32,368
We can't listen to the people

3381
01:41:32,368 --> 01:41:33,170
who say, well, it's not use

3382
01:41:33,170 --> 01:41:35,139
our imagination was not believe

3383
01:41:35,139 --> 01:41:37,174
in the people to think together

3384
01:41:37,174 --> 01:41:37,908
to solve their own problems.

3385
01:41:37,908 --> 01:41:39,942
We're gonna build a megawatt of

3386
01:41:39,942 --> 01:41:40,678
solar in the heights. We're

3387
01:41:40,678 --> 01:41:41,378
going to figure out a way again

3388
01:41:41,378 --> 01:41:42,112
this year point to the Public

3389
01:41:42,112 --> 01:41:45,112
Service Commission got a really

3390
01:41:45,482 --> 01:41:46,182
good idea on how to connect

3391
01:41:46,182 --> 01:41:49,182
that in 2, the current energy

3392
01:41:49,519 --> 01:41:51,455
grid and then because we don't

3393
01:41:51,455 --> 01:41:52,588
have community solar enabling

3394
01:41:52,588 --> 01:41:54,792
legislation because we can't

3395
01:41:54,792 --> 01:41:56,592
with the figure out another

3396
01:41:56,592 --> 01:41:57,194
way to channel a bill credit.

3397
01:41:57,194 --> 01:41:58,729
2 people who live in the

3398
01:41:58,729 --> 01:41:59,363
Lindsay Heights improvement

3399
01:41:59,363 --> 01:42:00,300
neighborhood improvement,

3400
01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:00,698
District 2. But that's what

3401
01:42:00,698 --> 01:42:03,698
we'll be right will generate

3402
01:42:04,234 --> 01:42:05,536
this power will store some.

3403
01:42:05,536 --> 01:42:06,103
We'll sell. We come back and

3404
01:42:06,103 --> 01:42:07,604
what we make. We then

3405
01:42:07,604 --> 01:42:08,271
distribute as a bill credit to

3406
01:42:08,271 --> 01:42:10,671
the residents living there,

3407
01:42:11,675 --> 01:42:12,375
bringing down people's energy

3408
01:42:12,375 --> 01:42:13,844
right? Also, let's talk about

3409
01:42:13,844 --> 01:42:14,545
comprehensive solutions because

3410
01:42:14,545 --> 01:42:16,946
you can't think about this in

3411
01:42:16,946 --> 01:42:17,982
isolation. The energy system

3412
01:42:17,982 --> 01:42:18,949
dictates. I mean. A friend of

3413
01:42:18,949 --> 01:42:19,650
mine is writing a book about

3414
01:42:19,650 --> 01:42:22,152
energy policy. And if you can

3415
01:42:22,152 --> 01:42:25,456
tell the history of the world

3416
01:42:25,456 --> 01:42:27,691
just through. Looking at the

3417
01:42:27,691 --> 01:42:29,360
oil tankers, Satan.

3418
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:30,259
Abby Martin just released an

3419
01:42:30,259 --> 01:42:31,795
incredible documentary about

3420
01:42:31,795 --> 01:42:34,195
the United States military

3421
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:38,990
complex is the largest consumer

3422
01:42:38,535 --> 01:42:39,536
of fossil fuels.

3423
01:42:39,536 --> 01:42:41,639
Watch that. But the

3424
01:42:41,639 --> 01:42:42,640
comprehensive. But this is not

3425
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:44,640
a comprehensive approach.

3426
01:42:44,674 --> 01:42:45,309
It is going to not be as

3427
01:42:45,309 --> 01:42:46,677
effective as it could be.

3428
01:42:46,677 --> 01:42:47,544
Otherwise. That's why we would

3429
01:42:47,544 --> 01:42:48,711
want to have a city wide

3430
01:42:48,711 --> 01:42:50,414
discussion about this and then

3431
01:42:50,414 --> 01:42:51,115
a citywide utility tonight by

3432
01:42:51,115 --> 01:42:52,382
the county wide discussion to

3433
01:42:52,382 --> 01:42:54,285
Alderman Bauman's point.

3434
01:42:54,285 --> 01:42:56,287
I think it's really salient and

3435
01:42:56,287 --> 01:42:56,987
we MAY we MAY be constructed

3436
01:42:56,987 --> 01:42:57,688
by statute on that because one

3437
01:42:57,688 --> 01:43:00,880
97 is only for municipalities,

3438
01:43:01,659 --> 01:43:02,293
but I believe one 98, which

3439
01:43:02,293 --> 01:43:02,959
we haven't fully explored.

3440
01:43:02,959 --> 01:43:04,862
But chapter one, 98 provides

3441
01:43:04,862 --> 01:43:06,462
for multiple municipalities

3442
01:43:06,462 --> 01:43:06,997
to join together. Is that

3443
01:43:06,997 --> 01:43:07,698
correct? That is my

3444
01:43:07,698 --> 01:43:10,980
understanding. Yes. So there's

3445
01:43:11,535 --> 01:43:12,703
there are possibilities there

3446
01:43:12,703 --> 01:43:14,703
as well.

3447
01:43:14,706 --> 01:43:15,539
And I love cops aren't sure

3448
01:43:15,539 --> 01:43:18,539
don't know. You're doing fine.

3449
01:43:18,677 --> 01:43:20,577
I'm just saying like if we're

3450
01:43:20,577 --> 01:43:22,977
having this discussion because

3451
01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:24,280
evil corporate actor is making

3452
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,680
lives difficult for everybody,

3453
01:43:27,217 --> 01:43:28,285
workers and everybody remember

3454
01:43:28,285 --> 01:43:29,353
the hands that raise an

3455
01:43:29,353 --> 01:43:30,200
unexpected expense. Then it

3456
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,900
makes sense that we would be

3457
01:43:33,900 --> 01:43:33,858
having this same conversation

3458
01:43:33,858 --> 01:43:36,858
about any other system that

3459
01:43:37,828 --> 01:43:39,264
delivers necessary benefit to

3460
01:43:39,264 --> 01:43:39,897
the public right. So we're

3461
01:43:39,897 --> 01:43:40,564
talking about in terms of

3462
01:43:40,564 --> 01:43:43,564
energy and we energies. Why

3463
01:43:44,969 --> 01:43:46,360
would we not also be talking

3464
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,720
about it? And so I just we've

3465
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:49,139
got to stress that like all of

3466
01:43:49,139 --> 01:43:49,873
this is connected. And thus

3467
01:43:49,873 --> 01:43:51,800
the problems are systemic and

3468
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,312
we have the power to figure

3469
01:43:54,312 --> 01:43:57,312
out in advance solutions and

3470
01:43:58,515 --> 01:44:00,250
I applaud this as it as it

3471
01:44:00,250 --> 01:44:02,650
really. Encouraging step in

3472
01:44:03,554 --> 01:44:03,988
that direction. Okay. Thank you

3473
01:44:03,988 --> 01:44:05,988
so much

3474
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:08,592
in that MR. Him that I have

3475
01:44:08,592 --> 01:44:10,592
2 questions

3476
01:44:11,895 --> 01:44:13,364
does establishing a municipal

3477
01:44:13,364 --> 01:44:15,364
public utility.

3478
01:44:15,766 --> 01:44:16,467
Take you out from under the

3479
01:44:16,467 --> 01:44:18,467
Public Service Commission

3480
01:44:19,403 --> 01:44:21,305
regulation? No, it does not.

3481
01:44:21,305 --> 01:44:23,208
It is still under the psc.

3482
01:44:23,208 --> 01:44:25,274
And as that happened in some

3483
01:44:25,274 --> 01:44:26,244
states, there are only 12

3484
01:44:26,244 --> 01:44:27,311
states that public power

3485
01:44:27,311 --> 01:44:28,779
utilities are regulated by the

3486
01:44:28,779 --> 01:44:29,445
Public Service Commission.

3487
01:44:29,445 --> 01:44:32,350
So it it's unique, but there

3488
01:44:32,350 --> 01:44:34,118
are 11 other states that do

3489
01:44:34,118 --> 01:44:34,718
that as well.

3490
01:44:34,718 --> 01:44:37,621
Thank you. And my other

3491
01:44:37,621 --> 01:44:40,210
question, just out of

3492
01:44:40,590 --> 01:44:42,590
curiosity.

3493
01:44:43,993 --> 01:44:44,695
Have there been any?

3494
01:44:44,695 --> 01:44:45,362
Municipalities that had public

3495
01:44:45,362 --> 01:44:48,362
utilities that have gone the

3496
01:44:48,632 --> 01:44:50,234
other direction that it

3497
01:44:50,234 --> 01:44:51,670
privatized.

3498
01:44:51,670 --> 01:44:51,835
Yeah. And once again, there's

3499
01:44:51,835 --> 01:44:53,771
ownership changes in either

3500
01:44:53,771 --> 01:44:56,171
direction or air. They're

3501
01:44:57,340 --> 01:44:57,975
pretty even. You know, we do

3502
01:44:57,975 --> 01:44:59,943
have it is also very small

3503
01:44:59,943 --> 01:45:01,845
communities that typically have

3504
01:45:01,845 --> 01:45:03,446
not been maintaining their

3505
01:45:03,446 --> 01:45:04,181
system that and they usually

3506
01:45:04,181 --> 01:45:04,848
sell to a rural electric

3507
01:45:04,848 --> 01:45:06,848
cooperative. Actually, they

3508
01:45:07,484 --> 01:45:08,118
very rarely sell to an investor

3509
01:45:08,118 --> 01:45:10,220
owned utility. It's almost

3510
01:45:10,220 --> 01:45:11,288
always a rural electric

3511
01:45:11,288 --> 01:45:13,288
cooperative that surrounds

3512
01:45:14,224 --> 01:45:14,958
them. And there are those small

3513
01:45:14,958 --> 01:45:17,595
communities that have just it's

3514
01:45:17,595 --> 01:45:20,431
easier for them to sell to the

3515
01:45:20,431 --> 01:45:21,990
to the co-op. So that does that

3516
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:21,831
changes happen in both

3517
01:45:21,831 --> 01:45:24,702
directions. But there's no huge

3518
01:45:24,702 --> 01:45:25,335
movement in either direction.

3519
01:45:25,335 --> 01:45:27,335
To be honest.

3520
01:45:27,504 --> 01:45:28,405
And that it all just offer that

3521
01:45:28,405 --> 01:45:29,405
did happen in Wisconsin.

3522
01:45:29,405 --> 01:45:30,107
We have 82 municipal utility

3523
01:45:30,107 --> 01:45:33,210
went on to 81. It was a rural

3524
01:45:33,210 --> 01:45:33,944
community. I'm forgetting the

3525
01:45:33,944 --> 01:45:34,611
name right now. But there was a

3526
01:45:34,611 --> 01:45:36,179
world community that decided

3527
01:45:36,179 --> 01:45:39,249
it was a town of 600 people and

3528
01:45:39,249 --> 01:45:41,251
they decided why are we doing

3529
01:45:41,251 --> 01:45:42,860
this separately? We have a and

3530
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:43,753
so they made a decision

3531
01:45:43,753 --> 01:45:44,421
democratically to does all that

3532
01:45:44,421 --> 01:45:45,155
and join. I believe the role

3533
01:45:45,155 --> 01:45:48,920
Co-operative, the I believe was

3534
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:49,930
dairyland that they joined up

3535
01:45:49,930 --> 01:45:50,995
with. I also add, though, like

3536
01:45:50,995 --> 01:45:52,897
the existence of the public

3537
01:45:52,897 --> 01:45:55,297
service commission and this

3538
01:45:56,133 --> 01:45:57,267
sort of uniqueness of their

3539
01:45:57,267 --> 01:45:58,350
regulating public power.

3540
01:45:58,350 --> 01:46:01,635
It could actually be a real

3541
01:46:02,272 --> 01:46:02,973
advantage to as much as as much

3542
01:46:02,973 --> 01:46:03,607
as I complain about the public

3543
01:46:03,607 --> 01:46:06,700
service commission and the

3544
01:46:06,542 --> 01:46:08,712
valid complaints. They know it.

3545
01:46:08,712 --> 01:46:10,781
They're brilliant. You know, I

3546
01:46:10,781 --> 01:46:11,782
mean, look, they're really,

3547
01:46:11,782 --> 01:46:14,182
really smart, dedicated people

3548
01:46:15,850 --> 01:46:16,653
that, you know, public servants

3549
01:46:16,653 --> 01:46:17,354
that are committed to.

3550
01:46:17,354 --> 01:46:19,754
Doing things correctly, right?

3551
01:46:20,891 --> 01:46:21,959
So like they are rigorous and

3552
01:46:21,959 --> 01:46:22,993
and they will accept good

3553
01:46:22,993 --> 01:46:23,661
ideas, right? I think it's

3554
01:46:23,661 --> 01:46:26,300
again, not about individuals

3555
01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:28,430
working in institutions, but

3556
01:46:28,999 --> 01:46:29,833
rather like the institutions

3557
01:46:29,833 --> 01:46:31,833
themselves just structurally

3558
01:46:33,405 --> 01:46:36,740
don't allow for the best ideas.

3559
01:46:36,740 --> 01:46:37,409
The best methods, the best data

3560
01:46:37,409 --> 01:46:38,709
to prevail. So I think under

3561
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:40,644
different circumstances and

3562
01:46:40,644 --> 01:46:41,711
different structural

3563
01:46:41,711 --> 01:46:43,711
arrangements that regulatory

3564
01:46:44,682 --> 01:46:46,283
relationship would actually

3565
01:46:46,283 --> 01:46:47,518
be extremely beneficial as

3566
01:46:47,518 --> 01:46:50,518
another layer of oversight and

3567
01:46:50,921 --> 01:46:53,590
regulation on top of the local

3568
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:54,224
institutions.

3569
01:46:54,224 --> 01:46:57,261
Okay. I think we can go to

3570
01:46:57,261 --> 01:46:57,962
public comment. We're all on

3571
01:46:57,962 --> 01:46:59,829
schedule.

3572
01:46:59,829 --> 01:47:01,980
And MR. Believe a few of our

3573
01:47:01,980 --> 01:47:04,698
experts do need to leave at

3574
01:47:05,690 --> 01:47:05,703
some point. Take a look at what

3575
01:47:05,703 --> 01:47:06,869
the experts are willing to

3576
01:47:06,869 --> 01:47:07,571
welcome to stay for goal,

3577
01:47:07,571 --> 01:47:08,939
whoever your schedules require

3578
01:47:08,939 --> 01:47:09,573
because we will use the

3579
01:47:09,573 --> 01:47:10,240
standing. Mike for public

3580
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,309
comment. So the folks at the

3581
01:47:13,309 --> 01:47:14,645
table can stay at the table if

3582
01:47:14,645 --> 01:47:16,645
they wish to.

3583
01:47:17,948 --> 01:47:20,851
So we were trying to close this

3584
01:47:20,851 --> 01:47:21,651
off

3585
01:47:21,651 --> 01:47:22,386
at noon. So that gives us 65 to

3586
01:47:22,386 --> 01:47:24,786
hear public testimony. I'm

3587
01:47:25,689 --> 01:47:28,858
going to try to restrict full.

3588
01:47:28,858 --> 01:47:29,627
We have 46.

3589
01:47:29,627 --> 01:47:32,196
Forms filled out for public

3590
01:47:32,196 --> 01:47:32,895
testimony. It here, folks have

3591
01:47:32,895 --> 01:47:35,966
the same basic message for us.

3592
01:47:35,966 --> 01:47:38,102
You're you're you're entitled

3593
01:47:38,102 --> 01:47:40,102
to be brief.

3594
01:47:40,738 --> 01:47:41,405
There's no there's no

3595
01:47:41,405 --> 01:47:43,805
requirement that we reinvent

3596
01:47:44,608 --> 01:47:46,143
the wheel every 46 times a week

3597
01:47:46,143 --> 01:47:46,810
testify here. And so we will go

3598
01:47:46,810 --> 01:47:50,410
in the order that they were

3599
01:47:50,514 --> 01:47:52,750
collected and please used to

3600
01:47:52,750 --> 01:47:53,751
standing. Mike and we will jump

3601
01:47:53,751 --> 01:47:57,351
right into again. We will we

3602
01:47:57,588 --> 01:47:58,589
have the time or if we're going

3603
01:47:58,589 --> 01:47:59,956
to try to put folks on a 2

3604
01:47:59,956 --> 01:48:00,657
minute time. Secrets are out of

3605
01:48:00,657 --> 01:48:03,657
respect for everybody. So for

3606
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:05,929
everybody, almost everybody can

3607
01:48:05,929 --> 01:48:06,664
be heard. What we're trying

3608
01:48:06,664 --> 01:48:09,533
to get the 42 in in 65 minutes.

3609
01:48:09,533 --> 01:48:10,167
So that's a little under 2

3610
01:48:10,167 --> 01:48:12,167
minutes ever change.

3611
01:48:13,470 --> 01:48:17,700
Could we get field glasses out

3612
01:48:17,274 --> 01:48:19,274
there?

3613
01:48:20,577 --> 01:48:23,647
Okay. First up is a morrow

3614
01:48:23,647 --> 01:48:25,647
Aaron.

3615
01:48:27,952 --> 01:48:28,919
MR. Chair. If you read the

3616
01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:29,720
second or 3rd mean to them, a

3617
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:33,220
couple people can line up in

3618
01:48:33,220 --> 01:48:36,220
John McIntyre after that, Lisa

3619
01:48:36,226 --> 01:48:38,226
Cottrell after that.

3620
01:48:39,396 --> 01:48:40,863
I live in River a tutor.

3621
01:48:40,863 --> 01:48:43,863
I worked for historic theater.

3622
01:48:43,866 --> 01:48:44,868
Every degree in media studies.

3623
01:48:44,868 --> 01:48:45,536
I'm not here with a group lets

3624
01:48:45,536 --> 01:48:48,472
you consider my neighbors or

3625
01:48:48,472 --> 01:48:49,106
friends who can't be here

3626
01:48:49,106 --> 01:48:49,807
because they work 9 to 5.

3627
01:48:49,807 --> 01:48:53,544
It's been a long time since I

3628
01:48:53,544 --> 01:48:54,578
could afford to work one job.

3629
01:48:54,578 --> 01:48:58,548
And one of the things that I

3630
01:48:58,548 --> 01:49:01,452
really struggle with is with

3631
01:49:01,452 --> 01:49:02,418
our bills with we energies,

3632
01:49:02,418 --> 01:49:03,153
we've seen concentrate heights

3633
01:49:03,153 --> 01:49:05,553
rate hikes. Despite 1.6 billion

3634
01:49:07,124 --> 01:49:09,192
dollars in profit. Last I heard

3635
01:49:09,192 --> 01:49:09,860
for we energies. I know the ceo

3636
01:49:09,860 --> 01:49:12,762
has also talked about the $0

3637
01:49:12,762 --> 01:49:13,664
paid in taxes. Please correct

3638
01:49:13,664 --> 01:49:14,665
me if I'm wrong on that.

3639
01:49:14,665 --> 01:49:16,320
And I'm thinking about the

3640
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:17,935
future. I don't want to beg

3641
01:49:17,935 --> 01:49:20,671
for mercy from we energies when

3642
01:49:20,671 --> 01:49:21,372
it comes to deciding rates.

3643
01:49:21,372 --> 01:49:23,772
We have constant outages,

3644
01:49:24,441 --> 01:49:25,709
constant gas leaks of survive.

3645
01:49:25,709 --> 01:49:26,576
3 gas leaks at home. Now.

3646
01:49:26,576 --> 01:49:27,645
One of the things we know

3647
01:49:27,645 --> 01:49:30,645
that's happening due to climate

3648
01:49:31,682 --> 01:49:32,383
change. Tornado Alley is

3649
01:49:32,383 --> 01:49:33,784
shifting further east, even in

3650
01:49:33,784 --> 01:49:35,686
Milwaukee, which normally has

3651
01:49:35,686 --> 01:49:36,619
been well protected by the

3652
01:49:36,619 --> 01:49:37,321
lake. We're seeing much more

3653
01:49:37,321 --> 01:49:40,900
common like the large storms,

3654
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:41,325
damaging trees and

3655
01:49:41,325 --> 01:49:43,227
infrastructure.

3656
01:49:43,227 --> 01:49:44,328
And I do think it's ironic that

3657
01:49:44,328 --> 01:49:45,796
the we energies representative

3658
01:49:45,796 --> 01:49:46,429
talks about the city taking a

3659
01:49:46,429 --> 01:49:48,866
gamble when we energies is

3660
01:49:48,866 --> 01:49:51,869
insisting that we as a city

3661
01:49:51,869 --> 01:49:52,469
allowed data centers to foist

3662
01:49:52,469 --> 01:49:53,170
the risks of data center

3663
01:49:53,170 --> 01:49:53,771
center, credit requirements on

3664
01:49:53,771 --> 01:49:56,640
to regular rate pairs as

3665
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:58,642
reported by Wisconsin. Watch.

3666
01:49:58,642 --> 01:50:00,677
My background in media studies

3667
01:50:00,677 --> 01:50:01,445
of one of the things that I

3668
01:50:01,445 --> 01:50:02,790
really want to be able to

3669
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:04,147
communicate. I know I've a

3670
01:50:04,147 --> 01:50:06,150
short amount of time is up to

3671
01:50:06,150 --> 01:50:09,860
speak about the tech bubble.

3672
01:50:09,860 --> 01:50:09,720
Obviously, technology is sort

3673
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:11,587
of a hot moment right now.

3674
01:50:11,587 --> 01:50:13,257
Commerce is flowing quickly and

3675
01:50:13,257 --> 01:50:13,991
intensely, but it is a volatile

3676
01:50:13,991 --> 01:50:16,460
market. And everybody right now

3677
01:50:16,460 --> 01:50:18,262
is trying to get theirs before

3678
01:50:18,262 --> 01:50:18,861
this bubble bursts. The tech

3679
01:50:18,861 --> 01:50:20,297
comes on quick is funded

3680
01:50:20,297 --> 01:50:23,297
frequently by actors in the

3681
01:50:23,467 --> 01:50:25,867
defense sector. Rarely sees

3682
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:27,404
widespread adoption. But as

3683
01:50:27,404 --> 01:50:28,305
propped up by the private

3684
01:50:28,305 --> 01:50:31,308
interests. And I just want to

3685
01:50:31,308 --> 01:50:32,209
ask how it can be that we live

3686
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:32,910
in a time where it's treated

3687
01:50:32,910 --> 01:50:35,645
as an inevitability that the

3688
01:50:35,645 --> 01:50:36,547
infrastructure for data centers

3689
01:50:36,547 --> 01:50:37,281
will be built. But we can't

3690
01:50:37,281 --> 01:50:39,281
imagine building infrastructure

3691
01:50:40,484 --> 01:50:42,884
for publicly owned utilities.

3692
01:50:46,889 --> 01:50:47,858
What I hope for is a stronger

3693
01:50:47,858 --> 01:50:49,360
and more resilient community in

3694
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:50,940
Milwaukee. I love my neighbors.

3695
01:50:50,940 --> 01:50:53,430
I love this city. I love living

3696
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:54,497
here and I would love to see

3697
01:50:54,497 --> 01:50:55,699
the wealth and the extraction.

3698
01:50:55,699 --> 01:50:57,735
I don't want this wealth from

3699
01:50:57,735 --> 01:50:59,135
the city to continue to be

3700
01:50:59,135 --> 01:50:59,737
extracted to we energies

3701
01:50:59,737 --> 01:51:01,737
shareholders. There's an

3702
01:51:02,272 --> 01:51:04,141
obvious economic benefit to

3703
01:51:04,141 --> 01:51:06,243
keeping money in the city and

3704
01:51:06,243 --> 01:51:07,211
public goods have value far

3705
01:51:07,211 --> 01:51:09,113
beyond their economic value.

3706
01:51:09,113 --> 01:51:11,181
There's a reason that we value

3707
01:51:11,181 --> 01:51:13,182
public public transit, public

3708
01:51:13,182 --> 01:51:14,218
education, public utilities

3709
01:51:14,218 --> 01:51:15,352
should fall under that same

3710
01:51:15,352 --> 01:51:17,554
value for the what they provide

3711
01:51:17,554 --> 01:51:18,122
to us as a society. I thank you

3712
01:51:18,122 --> 01:51:21,122
so much for your time.

3713
01:51:24,962 --> 01:51:26,663
A few minutes. But go ahead.

3714
01:51:26,663 --> 01:51:27,297
Hi, thanks for the time.

3715
01:51:27,297 --> 01:51:29,199
My name is John McIntyre.

3716
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:31,835
I'm proud to say that I live in

3717
01:51:31,835 --> 01:51:32,603
the city of Milwaukee. I reside

3718
01:51:32,603 --> 01:51:33,870
at 39. 41 south of 60th Street.

3719
01:51:33,870 --> 01:51:36,907
I'm also really proud to say

3720
01:51:36,907 --> 01:51:39,907
that I'm a licensed electrician

3721
01:51:40,844 --> 01:51:42,613
in the idw. My state license

3722
01:51:42,613 --> 01:51:45,130
number is one to 8, 5, 2, 7,

3723
01:51:45,114 --> 01:51:48,714
8 Dash j Eaton and my Union

3724
01:51:49,219 --> 01:51:50,586
card number is 4, 7, 4, 3, It's

3725
01:51:50,586 --> 01:51:52,986
7, 3, 5, But I'm here speaking

3726
01:51:54,591 --> 01:51:55,492
just as myself as a resident,

3727
01:51:55,492 --> 01:51:56,125
the taxpayer and as a member of

3728
01:51:56,125 --> 01:51:59,630
the Milwaukee dsa and as a

3729
01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:00,263
canvas or for the part of

3730
01:52:00,263 --> 01:52:01,310
people campaign.

3731
01:52:01,310 --> 01:52:03,866
I'm here to support. I'm here

3732
01:52:03,866 --> 01:52:05,469
to voice my support in dairy

3733
01:52:05,469 --> 01:52:06,700
say to demand public power for

3734
01:52:06,700 --> 01:52:08,371
the city of Milwaukee. I

3735
01:52:08,371 --> 01:52:09,106
believe the choice for the

3736
01:52:09,106 --> 01:52:11,708
consumer is clear. Let's talk a

3737
01:52:11,708 --> 01:52:12,710
little bit more about the

3738
01:52:12,710 --> 01:52:14,745
impact on the workers. I would

3739
01:52:14,745 --> 01:52:16,814
like to invite my union

3740
01:52:16,814 --> 01:52:18,814
brothers and sisters

3741
01:52:19,382 --> 01:52:20,840
represented by local 21 50 in

3742
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:20,784
both the outside line work and

3743
01:52:20,784 --> 01:52:23,153
uni sectors. The professional

3744
01:52:23,153 --> 01:52:25,156
and industrial sectors to

3745
01:52:25,156 --> 01:52:26,390
review our plan. And to remain

3746
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:27,580
open to the opportunity to

3747
01:52:27,580 --> 01:52:29,458
negotiate their well earned

3748
01:52:30,227 --> 01:52:32,960
and well-deserved improvements

3749
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:32,829
in wages, benefits and working

3750
01:52:32,829 --> 01:52:33,497
conditions with the city rather

3751
01:52:33,497 --> 01:52:35,897
than sitting across the

3752
01:52:36,232 --> 01:52:38,902
bargaining table from a massive

3753
01:52:38,902 --> 01:52:40,671
for profit corporate entity.

3754
01:52:40,671 --> 01:52:42,640
I suspect that the bargaining

3755
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,308
position and the contractual

3756
01:52:44,308 --> 01:52:45,175
options available improve for

3757
01:52:45,175 --> 01:52:48,175
workers under our plan while

3758
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:49,179
keeping costs low in improving

3759
01:52:49,179 --> 01:52:49,780
service quality.

3760
01:52:49,780 --> 01:52:51,780
Including shortening the

3761
01:52:53,950 --> 01:52:56,350
duration of service outages.

3762
01:52:57,210 --> 01:52:58,210
I think this makes it a win-win

3763
01:52:58,210 --> 01:52:58,589
situation for both of our

3764
01:52:58,589 --> 01:52:59,256
area's workers and our

3765
01:52:59,256 --> 01:53:02,256
residents. I think the only

3766
01:53:02,626 --> 01:53:03,127
losers in this proposition are

3767
01:53:03,127 --> 01:53:05,127
the executives and

3768
01:53:06,764 --> 01:53:07,364
shareholders. I don't see them

3769
01:53:07,364 --> 01:53:09,200
in this room. So I take

3770
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,135
seriously, this is a little bit

3771
01:53:11,135 --> 01:53:12,102
of a shibboleth for my brother

3772
01:53:12,102 --> 01:53:15,702
who decided to not stay but

3773
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:16,674
I take seriously my obligation,

3774
01:53:16,674 --> 01:53:18,443
my promise, my agreement to

3775
01:53:18,443 --> 01:53:19,109
further the purposes for which

3776
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:22,546
the I b w's Institute. It my

3777
01:53:22,546 --> 01:53:24,315
promise to bear true allegiance

3778
01:53:24,315 --> 01:53:26,417
to it and it never sacrifice

3779
01:53:26,417 --> 01:53:28,652
its interests in any manner.

3780
01:53:28,652 --> 01:53:29,353
And I so I see no reason to

3781
01:53:29,353 --> 01:53:30,220
believe that our public power

3782
01:53:30,220 --> 01:53:30,853
plan for the city of Milwaukee

3783
01:53:30,853 --> 01:53:33,324
is contrary to that solemn

3784
01:53:33,324 --> 01:53:34,858
promise. I would not be

3785
01:53:34,858 --> 01:53:35,592
fighting for a plan that sells

3786
01:53:35,592 --> 01:53:39,397
out or sell short by outside up

3787
01:53:39,397 --> 01:53:41,264
and I brothers and sisters of

3788
01:53:41,264 --> 01:53:42,933
the I b w nor the inside and

3789
01:53:42,933 --> 01:53:45,436
of local 4.94 Were employed in

3790
01:53:45,436 --> 01:53:47,436
ongoing generation upgrades

3791
01:53:47,504 --> 01:53:48,672
projects that we energies

3792
01:53:48,672 --> 01:53:49,373
facilities continuing to allow

3793
01:53:49,373 --> 01:53:52,373
we energies to extract profits

3794
01:53:52,476 --> 01:53:53,544
from city residents sell this

3795
01:53:53,544 --> 01:53:54,445
all out for me. The choice is

3796
01:53:54,445 --> 01:53:56,380
clear. The Common Council

3797
01:53:56,380 --> 01:53:57,470
should move urgently towards

3798
01:53:57,470 --> 01:53:59,983
replacing we energies with a

3799
01:53:59,983 --> 01:54:02,383
publicly owned utility provider

3800
01:54:03,153 --> 01:54:05,153
in solidarity.

3801
01:54:09,493 --> 01:54:11,762
We have a couple of folks

3802
01:54:11,762 --> 01:54:14,762
lineup, but Andy Barber and

3803
01:54:15,933 --> 01:54:18,933
Steinberg me down here. Hi,

3804
01:54:19,690 --> 01:54:21,205
good morning. My name is Doctor

3805
01:54:21,205 --> 01:54:23,107
Lisa Cottrell. I'm a Milwaukee

3806
01:54:23,107 --> 01:54:25,760
resident and clinical health.

3807
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,760
Psychologist, you've heard

3808
01:54:27,244 --> 01:54:28,790
today about the greed of we

3809
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:31,790
energies and the economic in

3810
01:54:31,582 --> 01:54:33,951
service benefits of publicly

3811
01:54:33,951 --> 01:54:34,718
owned utilities. Those include

3812
01:54:34,718 --> 01:54:37,118
more rapid transition to

3813
01:54:38,220 --> 01:54:40,791
renewables, a benefit to public

3814
01:54:40,791 --> 01:54:41,692
health.

3815
01:54:41,692 --> 01:54:44,692
Consider then the grievous and

3816
01:54:44,995 --> 01:54:47,995
even fatal human caused of

3817
01:54:48,966 --> 01:54:49,700
profit driven energy.

3818
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:51,669
Think of my patient Cora, a car

3819
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:53,370
had several medical conditions.

3820
01:54:53,370 --> 01:54:54,938
She worked very hard to manage.

3821
01:54:54,938 --> 01:54:58,538
She came to me because she

3822
01:54:58,975 --> 01:54:59,910
still struggled with chronic

3823
01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:01,245
pain and sleep problems as we

3824
01:55:01,245 --> 01:55:03,130
work to improve her sleep.

3825
01:55:03,130 --> 01:55:05,748
I learned that the nighttime

3826
01:55:05,748 --> 01:55:07,651
temperature in her Milwaukee

3827
01:55:07,651 --> 01:55:09,586
home was reaching 90 degrees

3828
01:55:09,586 --> 01:55:11,189
many nights well above the safe

3829
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:13,589
temperature for healthy adults.

3830
01:55:14,570 --> 01:55:14,959
She had air conditioning.

3831
01:55:14,959 --> 01:55:18,559
She would not use it because

3832
01:55:18,996 --> 01:55:20,563
the cost of running it had

3833
01:55:20,563 --> 01:55:21,265
become too high. But the cost

3834
01:55:21,265 --> 01:55:23,100
to health and well-being from

3835
01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:24,969
sleep deprivation. Their

3836
01:55:24,969 --> 01:55:27,969
results from high night time.

3837
01:55:28,939 --> 01:55:29,640
Temperatures is even greater.

3838
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:31,742
I've seen many patients whose

3839
01:55:31,742 --> 01:55:33,100
health is damaged as a

3840
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:36,100
consequence of bills. So high,

3841
01:55:36,613 --> 01:55:38,810
that healthy home environment

3842
01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:40,481
cannot be maintained. This

3843
01:55:40,851 --> 01:55:43,251
incalculable human cost compels

3844
01:55:43,821 --> 01:55:44,989
us to replace the profit

3845
01:55:44,989 --> 01:55:46,156
driven. We energies with a

3846
01:55:46,156 --> 01:55:49,156
public utility and truly serve

3847
01:55:49,493 --> 01:55:52,493
the public good. Thank you.

3848
01:55:52,663 --> 01:55:54,663
Thank you.

3849
01:55:57,868 --> 01:56:01,305
Hi, my name is Andy Barber.

3850
01:56:01,305 --> 01:56:02,339
I'm co-chair of the Milwaukee

3851
01:56:02,339 --> 01:56:04,339
Democratic Socialists of

3852
01:56:05,342 --> 01:56:06,760
America. I want to share some

3853
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:06,776
more facts and figures from our

3854
01:56:06,776 --> 01:56:09,176
research that we've conducted

3855
01:56:09,979 --> 01:56:10,546
our campaign and most of us are

3856
01:56:10,546 --> 01:56:12,249
familiar with these as

3857
01:56:12,249 --> 01:56:15,249
ratepayers. But we energies was

3858
01:56:15,552 --> 01:56:18,552
granted in late 2020 for a 6.9%

3859
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:20,224
rate increase that affected

3860
01:56:20,224 --> 01:56:23,224
all customers in 2025. In an

3861
01:56:23,227 --> 01:56:25,227
additional 4.8% increase for

3862
01:56:26,730 --> 01:56:27,331
the year 2026, which is a total

3863
01:56:27,331 --> 01:56:29,731
of 12% in these 2 years.

3864
01:56:29,733 --> 01:56:30,701
And these rate increases as

3865
01:56:30,701 --> 01:56:32,168
well as the year prior. You

3866
01:56:32,168 --> 01:56:34,568
know, unsurprisingly help to

3867
01:56:34,972 --> 01:56:36,974
make Milwaukee the second most

3868
01:56:36,974 --> 01:56:38,875
expensive major U.S. City for

3869
01:56:38,875 --> 01:56:40,944
utilities with average monthly

3870
01:56:40,944 --> 01:56:43,944
monthly bills of more than $580

3871
01:56:44,148 --> 01:56:45,149
a month and over 4,350 a year

3872
01:56:45,149 --> 01:56:46,282
per household. For the past

3873
01:56:46,282 --> 01:56:48,682
several years, we energies

3874
01:56:50,153 --> 01:56:50,788
rates per kilowatt hour have

3875
01:56:50,788 --> 01:56:52,122
been 30 to 40% higher than

3876
01:56:52,122 --> 01:56:54,230
public power rates from

3877
01:56:54,230 --> 01:56:55,192
Wisconsin. Public power,

3878
01:56:55,192 --> 01:56:57,193
utilities and the psc that

3879
01:56:57,193 --> 01:57:00,193
we've been talking about does

3880
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:02,199
guarantee we energies a profit

3881
01:57:02,199 --> 01:57:03,100
rate of 9.8% And this limit

3882
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:06,100
doesn't even in practice mean

3883
01:57:07,370 --> 01:57:08,137
that we energies is capped at

3884
01:57:08,137 --> 01:57:09,907
this rate of 9.8% The utility

3885
01:57:09,907 --> 01:57:12,109
provides a yearly estimates

3886
01:57:12,109 --> 01:57:13,977
which the psc reviews and

3887
01:57:13,977 --> 01:57:14,945
approves. And then we energies

3888
01:57:14,945 --> 01:57:15,679
then sets the rates

3889
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:17,679
accordingly. However, of

3890
01:57:17,681 --> 01:57:18,716
course, in the event that costs

3891
01:57:18,716 --> 01:57:20,718
are lower revenues higher than

3892
01:57:20,718 --> 01:57:21,819
anticipated. The actual rate

3893
01:57:21,819 --> 01:57:26,190
of return is going to be higher

3894
01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:28,580
than that actual target rate of

3895
01:57:28,580 --> 01:57:30,227
9.8% So the decision makers at

3896
01:57:30,227 --> 01:57:31,194
companies such as we energies

3897
01:57:31,194 --> 01:57:31,829
are still very much

3898
01:57:31,829 --> 01:57:33,330
incentivized to engage in

3899
01:57:33,330 --> 01:57:35,330
profit maximizing behaviors

3900
01:57:36,133 --> 01:57:38,102
despite this, you know, quote,

3901
01:57:38,102 --> 01:57:39,690
unquote, profit limit. And in

3902
01:57:39,690 --> 01:57:39,737
Wisconsin, residents with

3903
01:57:39,737 --> 01:57:41,737
private utilities experience

3904
01:57:42,906 --> 01:57:43,540
108 minutes of downtime in a

3905
01:57:43,540 --> 01:57:45,940
typical year for says. 48

3906
01:57:46,410 --> 01:57:47,244
minutes a year for those served

3907
01:57:47,244 --> 01:57:47,945
by public utilities in the

3908
01:57:47,945 --> 01:57:50,180
state. I'd last but not least.

3909
01:57:50,180 --> 01:57:54,380
I do want to say that we

3910
01:57:54,485 --> 01:57:55,753
energies has committed to

3911
01:57:55,753 --> 01:57:57,688
eliminating coal usage by 2032

3912
01:57:57,688 --> 01:58:00,691
and is striving to reach carbon

3913
01:58:00,691 --> 01:58:01,592
neutrality by the year 2050,

3914
01:58:01,592 --> 01:58:02,625
which these commitments failed

3915
01:58:02,625 --> 01:58:03,894
to meet. Even the more modest

3916
01:58:03,894 --> 01:58:04,561
target set by the state of

3917
01:58:04,561 --> 01:58:07,131
Wisconsin, which has a goal

3918
01:58:07,131 --> 01:58:07,831
of carbon-free electricity by

3919
01:58:07,831 --> 01:58:10,434
2050. And of course, are still

3920
01:58:10,434 --> 01:58:11,680
far below the limits that we

3921
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:12,503
need in order to actually

3922
01:58:12,503 --> 01:58:14,438
meaningfully fight climate

3923
01:58:14,438 --> 01:58:15,105
change in this community.

3924
01:58:15,105 --> 01:58:17,600
So all this to conclude that

3925
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:18,142
we need Democratic control of

3926
01:58:18,142 --> 01:58:18,809
our utility here in Milwaukee

3927
01:58:18,809 --> 01:58:21,713
and our economy as a whole.

3928
01:58:21,713 --> 01:58:25,313
I would argue. Thanks so much.

3929
01:58:29,887 --> 01:58:30,821
My name is and Steinberg.

3930
01:58:30,821 --> 01:58:32,588
I live in Milwaukee. I didn't

3931
01:58:32,588 --> 01:58:35,588
prepare remarks. But one thing

3932
01:58:36,259 --> 01:58:36,926
I wanted to add that I haven't

3933
01:58:36,926 --> 01:58:39,996
heard is that we energies is

3934
01:58:39,996 --> 01:58:40,631
guaranteed profits for making

3935
01:58:40,631 --> 01:58:41,932
decisions that are bad. I

3936
01:58:41,932 --> 01:58:43,800
watched them build a power

3937
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,637
plant. That was coal powered

3938
01:58:46,637 --> 01:58:48,539
when the communities that they

3939
01:58:48,539 --> 01:58:49,206
didn't want. It was a bad

3940
01:58:49,206 --> 01:58:51,606
economic decision. Now, that

3941
01:58:51,675 --> 01:58:53,844
plant is no longer need is way

3942
01:58:53,844 --> 01:58:57,381
too expensive to use coal and

3943
01:58:57,381 --> 01:58:58,281
the rate payers have to pay

3944
01:58:58,281 --> 01:58:58,949
to keep for their mistakes so

3945
01:58:58,949 --> 01:59:00,951
over and over. They've made

3946
01:59:00,951 --> 01:59:03,951
decisions that were bad for

3947
01:59:04,954 --> 01:59:05,655
our community and they've

3948
01:59:05,655 --> 01:59:07,291
profited from it. And I think

3949
01:59:07,291 --> 01:59:10,594
that's one of the reasons we

3950
01:59:10,594 --> 01:59:12,528
need public control and also

3951
01:59:12,528 --> 01:59:13,297
the psc doesn't listen to

3952
01:59:13,297 --> 01:59:15,297
environmental or health

3953
01:59:16,266 --> 01:59:17,635
concerns. And I think a

3954
01:59:17,635 --> 01:59:20,635
municipal on. Utility would put

3955
01:59:20,938 --> 01:59:23,938
our interests first. So thank

3956
01:59:24,108 --> 01:59:26,108
you. Thank you.

3957
01:59:32,983 --> 01:59:33,651
If a dancer and Brian intense

3958
01:59:33,651 --> 01:59:34,319
key and did you say Madonna,

3959
01:59:34,319 --> 01:59:37,554
you before you get your yeah

3960
01:59:37,554 --> 01:59:38,889
here in the next post. Got it.

3961
01:59:38,889 --> 01:59:39,590
Thanks. So yeah, I'm Amy

3962
01:59:39,590 --> 01:59:41,959
Donahue. My pronouns are they

3963
01:59:41,959 --> 01:59:42,726
Sheehy rolling? I live in the

3964
01:59:42,726 --> 01:59:43,494
River West neighborhood and the

3965
01:59:43,494 --> 01:59:45,462
candidate for public office and

3966
01:59:45,462 --> 01:59:47,197
a member of Citizen action of

3967
01:59:47,197 --> 01:59:47,798
Wisconsin. The Green Party,

3968
01:59:47,798 --> 01:59:50,198
the health care workers,

3969
01:59:50,734 --> 01:59:52,403
organization, healthy Climate,

3970
01:59:52,403 --> 01:59:54,371
Wisconsin, for the month.

3971
01:59:54,371 --> 01:59:55,439
And the Milwaukee dsa today.

3972
01:59:55,439 --> 01:59:57,400
I'm speaking in absolute

3973
01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:57,941
support of the creation of a

3974
01:59:57,941 --> 01:59:58,575
municipal public energy

3975
01:59:58,575 --> 02:00:00,209
utility. I'm speaking as a

3976
02:00:00,209 --> 02:00:00,878
clinical health care worker.

3977
02:00:00,878 --> 02:00:03,813
And as a librarian grounded

3978
02:00:03,813 --> 02:00:05,349
in evidence-based practice.

3979
02:00:05,349 --> 02:00:08,118
What that means is working at

3980
02:00:08,118 --> 02:00:09,453
the intersection of knowledge,

3981
02:00:09,453 --> 02:00:11,287
gained through research,

3982
02:00:11,287 --> 02:00:13,257
expert, opinion and communities

3983
02:00:13,257 --> 02:00:13,958
and individuals with lived

3984
02:00:13,958 --> 02:00:15,158
experience professionally and

3985
02:00:15,158 --> 02:00:15,927
politically. I am an advocate

3986
02:00:15,927 --> 02:00:17,929
for true informed consents

3987
02:00:17,929 --> 02:00:18,963
which includes having choices

3988
02:00:18,963 --> 02:00:21,898
knowing what each choice means

3989
02:00:21,898 --> 02:00:22,967
and having the resources to

3990
02:00:22,967 --> 02:00:24,802
make choices responsibly.

3991
02:00:24,802 --> 02:00:26,350
Everything I've read and

3992
02:00:26,350 --> 02:00:26,704
learned and talked with people

3993
02:00:26,704 --> 02:00:30,700
about tells me that a public

3994
02:00:30,700 --> 02:00:31,175
power utility is evidence based

3995
02:00:31,175 --> 02:00:33,175
solution. We need.

3996
02:00:34,110 --> 02:00:34,611
And informed consent along with

3997
02:00:34,611 --> 02:00:35,244
that of the thousands of

3998
02:00:35,244 --> 02:00:36,880
Milwaukee and to have been

3999
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:37,880
working for this for years.

4000
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:38,649
Thanks for the Ptp campaign

4001
02:00:38,649 --> 02:00:41,649
and rest assured. We'll keep

4002
02:00:42,853 --> 02:00:43,486
that up and we'll keep working

4003
02:00:43,486 --> 02:00:44,121
to bring more folks in. In

4004
02:00:44,121 --> 02:00:46,900
addition to my healthcare

4005
02:00:46,900 --> 02:00:47,992
background as a person with

4006
02:00:47,992 --> 02:00:48,959
asthma parents and a community

4007
02:00:48,959 --> 02:00:50,940
organizer. I also bring my

4008
02:00:50,940 --> 02:00:51,528
personal perspective, an

4009
02:00:51,528 --> 02:00:52,162
argument that a public power

4010
02:00:52,162 --> 02:00:55,231
utility is what we need to

4011
02:00:55,231 --> 02:00:55,933
democratically indirectly built

4012
02:00:55,933 --> 02:00:56,534
clean energy in support of

4013
02:00:56,534 --> 02:00:58,680
public health, emergency

4014
02:00:58,680 --> 02:00:59,737
preparedness and response.

4015
02:00:59,737 --> 02:01:02,137
That is knowledgeable and

4016
02:01:02,405 --> 02:01:04,508
responsible to our community

4017
02:01:04,508 --> 02:01:06,476
and keep costs affordable and

4018
02:01:06,476 --> 02:01:07,611
transparent. Change can be hard

4019
02:01:07,611 --> 02:01:10,381
and even scary. But the people

4020
02:01:10,381 --> 02:01:11,615
of this community has was being

4021
02:01:11,615 --> 02:01:12,349
brought up as after I read,

4022
02:01:12,349 --> 02:01:14,118
these are ready to support each

4023
02:01:14,118 --> 02:01:15,850
other, including the we

4024
02:01:15,850 --> 02:01:16,519
energies records who could be

4025
02:01:16,519 --> 02:01:17,187
impacted and the democratically

4026
02:01:17,187 --> 02:01:20,187
elected leaders who are from

4027
02:01:20,658 --> 02:01:21,392
our communities and accountable

4028
02:01:21,392 --> 02:01:22,590
to us. So thank you to the many

4029
02:01:22,590 --> 02:01:25,963
people who work to get us in

4030
02:01:25,963 --> 02:01:26,963
this room together to the

4031
02:01:26,963 --> 02:01:27,697
members of this board. So the

4032
02:01:27,697 --> 02:01:30,134
experts who showed up today and

4033
02:01:30,134 --> 02:01:32,202
to all the working class people

4034
02:01:32,202 --> 02:01:32,937
who are here in person and in

4035
02:01:32,937 --> 02:01:34,271
spirit, the power of the people

4036
02:01:34,271 --> 02:01:36,940
in stop. And I'm so grateful to

4037
02:01:36,940 --> 02:01:37,974
be a tiny part of this work

4038
02:01:37,974 --> 02:01:38,642
demonstrates what that phrase

4039
02:01:38,642 --> 02:01:41,544
means and tried to commit to

4040
02:01:41,544 --> 02:01:43,944
continuing whatever comes next.

4041
02:01:53,824 --> 02:01:56,224
Coming up after police.

4042
02:01:59,630 --> 02:02:02,630
Who's up next? The Bryan

4043
02:02:02,333 --> 02:02:04,333
intensity. Please.

4044
02:02:04,467 --> 02:02:08,670
All right. You're going to live

4045
02:02:11,410 --> 02:02:13,430
right by the U.S. Hi. My name

4046
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:13,677
is Ava. I'm a uwm student and

4047
02:02:13,677 --> 02:02:17,277
I wanted to talk about my

4048
02:02:17,481 --> 02:02:19,315
experience with we energies as

4049
02:02:19,315 --> 02:02:21,315
a college student

4050
02:02:22,190 --> 02:02:24,989
when I was in my old apartment,

4051
02:02:24,989 --> 02:02:27,389
i had 4 other roommates.

4052
02:02:27,858 --> 02:02:28,459
And during the winter time I

4053
02:02:28,459 --> 02:02:29,194
was wearing sweaters and

4054
02:02:29,194 --> 02:02:32,194
multiple layers of sweat pants

4055
02:02:33,970 --> 02:02:33,731
every night because it was

4056
02:02:33,731 --> 02:02:36,131
freezing in my apartment.

4057
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:36,800
We found out that my landlord

4058
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,800
had let a broken window.

4059
02:02:40,270 --> 02:02:41,605
Stay open throughout the

4060
02:02:41,605 --> 02:02:43,941
duration of winter and our

4061
02:02:43,941 --> 02:02:46,941
electric bill because of this

4062
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:49,947
broken window was $600 a month

4063
02:02:49,947 --> 02:02:51,947
split between us

4064
02:02:53,500 --> 02:02:53,817
this is more so a matter of

4065
02:02:53,817 --> 02:02:56,817
bringing up the point of

4066
02:02:57,122 --> 02:02:58,722
autonomy in our ability to

4067
02:02:58,722 --> 02:03:00,692
live.

4068
02:03:00,692 --> 02:03:03,727
My landlord told us to stay

4069
02:03:03,727 --> 02:03:06,397
warm when we tried to address

4070
02:03:06,397 --> 02:03:07,564
it and we didn't have a pathway

4071
02:03:07,564 --> 02:03:09,767
to actually bring up the

4072
02:03:09,767 --> 02:03:13,700
problem again or to lower the

4073
02:03:13,700 --> 02:03:15,472
price of electricity. So I

4074
02:03:15,472 --> 02:03:17,410
guess.

4075
02:03:17,410 --> 02:03:18,677
The point I'm trying to make is

4076
02:03:18,677 --> 02:03:19,410
that this is autonomy that all

4077
02:03:19,410 --> 02:03:21,780
of us in this room, one to gain

4078
02:03:21,780 --> 02:03:24,381
and this is the path way of

4079
02:03:24,381 --> 02:03:27,381
doing it. Yeah. Thank. Thank

4080
02:03:27,451 --> 02:03:29,451
you.

4081
02:03:32,690 --> 02:03:35,592
A tense key will have submit

4082
02:03:35,592 --> 02:03:36,427
Mendoza. My pronounced in

4083
02:03:36,427 --> 02:03:37,127
Maine.

4084
02:03:37,127 --> 02:03:38,128
Handwriting is not completely

4085
02:03:38,128 --> 02:03:39,630
clear to me, but thank all

4086
02:03:39,630 --> 02:03:40,297
right. He knows who he is.

4087
02:03:40,297 --> 02:03:40,931
All right. And that autumn

4088
02:03:40,931 --> 02:03:41,100
Pickett and after that q#

4089
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:41,760
#

4090
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:43,760
#

4091
02:03:46,670 --> 02:03:48,670
Gorton.

4092
02:03:49,940 --> 02:03:52,810
Yep. PRESIDENT And members of

4093
02:03:52,810 --> 02:03:56,113
the Council. My name is Brian.

4094
02:03:56,113 --> 02:03:56,580
That and ski or key homeowner

4095
02:03:56,580 --> 02:03:58,140
and we

4096
02:03:58,140 --> 02:04:01,140
energies customer. And I want

4097
02:04:02,352 --> 02:04:05,655
to give you a personal account

4098
02:04:05,655 --> 02:04:07,891
of what happens when you try

4099
02:04:07,891 --> 02:04:09,760
to move to

4100
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:10,394
renewable resources and

4101
02:04:10,394 --> 02:04:12,794
extricate yourself from we

4102
02:04:13,697 --> 02:04:16,970
energies monopoly. So 7 months

4103
02:04:17,101 --> 02:04:17,769
ago.

4104
02:04:17,769 --> 02:04:19,360
DECEMBER I had solar panels

4105
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:21,360
professionally installed on

4106
02:04:21,805 --> 02:04:23,107
my roof by a licensed company.

4107
02:04:23,107 --> 02:04:26,107
The work was done correctly.

4108
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:29,310
The panels are installed safe

4109
02:04:30,580 --> 02:04:32,490
and ready. And they've produced

4110
02:04:32,490 --> 02:04:35,490
nothing. So not one kilowatt

4111
02:04:36,153 --> 02:04:38,222
hour. The only thing between

4112
02:04:38,222 --> 02:04:39,123
me and my own. Like getting

4113
02:04:39,123 --> 02:04:42,123
energy from from my solar

4114
02:04:42,426 --> 02:04:43,994
panels is we energies approval?

4115
02:04:43,994 --> 02:04:45,994
Que?

4116
02:04:47,964 --> 02:04:50,134
I meet are sat in the same spot

4117
02:04:50,134 --> 02:04:51,100
for years. The moment I tried

4118
02:04:51,100 --> 02:04:53,304
to generate my own power,

4119
02:04:53,304 --> 02:04:56,304
though we energies decided that

4120
02:04:58,476 --> 02:04:59,177
that location wasn't acceptable

4121
02:04:59,177 --> 02:05:01,979
and demanded. I move it, which

4122
02:05:01,979 --> 02:05:04,147
triggered a new poll, a new

4123
02:05:04,147 --> 02:05:05,115
line, a fresh round of

4124
02:05:05,115 --> 02:05:06,984
approvals and the obstacle

4125
02:05:06,984 --> 02:05:07,618
appeared exactly when I stopped

4126
02:05:07,618 --> 02:05:10,521
being a pure customer and

4127
02:05:10,521 --> 02:05:12,489
started competing with their

4128
02:05:12,489 --> 02:05:13,900
sales.

4129
02:05:13,900 --> 02:05:16,900
I installer could do the

4130
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,960
physical work in 3 days.

4131
02:05:19,563 --> 02:05:22,800
They told me the other 7 months

4132
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:24,668
sits on the desk of we energies

4133
02:05:24,668 --> 02:05:25,368
with no deadline, no

4134
02:05:25,368 --> 02:05:27,768
consequences. They burned my

4135
02:05:28,238 --> 02:05:31,238
entire peak season and it's

4136
02:05:31,342 --> 02:05:33,544
given me nothing. And when they

4137
02:05:33,544 --> 02:05:34,345
finally pay me for my excess

4138
02:05:34,345 --> 02:05:36,112
power, it'll be $0.04 a

4139
02:05:36,112 --> 02:05:39,112
kilowatt hour. I've heard now

4140
02:05:40,317 --> 02:05:41,919
$0.03 It's moving down to while

4141
02:05:41,919 --> 02:05:45,222
they sell it to my neighbors

4142
02:05:45,222 --> 02:05:48,222
for 17 and or $0.18 caught out.

4143
02:05:49,193 --> 02:05:51,228
And not only that, but if you

4144
02:05:51,228 --> 02:05:53,329
know anything about the solar

4145
02:05:53,329 --> 02:05:55,432
panels and efficiency, the

4146
02:05:55,432 --> 02:05:57,000
aggravation over its time

4147
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:00,000
period that 7 months that my

4148
02:06:00,304 --> 02:06:02,205
panels have been sitting there

4149
02:06:02,205 --> 02:06:03,700
up in the sunlight.

4150
02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:03,707
Degrading their power

4151
02:06:03,707 --> 02:06:06,577
efficiency. And I haven't even

4152
02:06:06,577 --> 02:06:08,440
yet been able to start using

4153
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:10,440
it.

4154
02:06:10,748 --> 02:06:12,983
So this is what a monopoly with

4155
02:06:12,983 --> 02:06:15,886
no reason to hurry. Looks like

4156
02:06:15,886 --> 02:06:16,486
and chapter one. 97 is how we

4157
02:06:16,486 --> 02:06:18,886
take that timeline back.

4158
02:06:19,423 --> 02:06:22,423
Please support it. Thank you.

4159
02:06:29,500 --> 02:06:30,533
Good morning. My name is I

4160
02:06:30,533 --> 02:06:32,102
mean, I suppose just recently

4161
02:06:32,102 --> 02:06:32,803
moved to city Milwaukee about

4162
02:06:32,803 --> 02:06:35,706
a year and a half. But before

4163
02:06:35,706 --> 02:06:36,440
that, I was living in the city

4164
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,743
of Los Angeles, have 9 years of

4165
02:06:39,743 --> 02:06:40,410
experience working for the city

4166
02:06:40,410 --> 02:06:40,943
of Public works. 5 of them

4167
02:06:40,943 --> 02:06:42,943
specifically for its

4168
02:06:43,846 --> 02:06:45,846
construction inspection.

4169
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:50,120
But the rest of that with the

4170
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:51,989
street lighting and street

4171
02:06:51,989 --> 02:06:52,656
tree maintenance. So I am

4172
02:06:52,656 --> 02:06:54,724
pretty familiar with the way

4173
02:06:54,724 --> 02:06:57,724
that Los Angeles Department of

4174
02:06:58,795 --> 02:07:00,364
Water and Power work basically

4175
02:07:00,364 --> 02:07:01,650
they are about 12,000 employees

4176
02:07:01,650 --> 02:07:04,650
in that department, which is

4177
02:07:06,804 --> 02:07:09,673
about 20% of the city of the

4178
02:07:09,673 --> 02:07:10,407
entire city employee

4179
02:07:10,407 --> 02:07:10,975
departments and basically their

4180
02:07:10,975 --> 02:07:13,375
whole model working is

4181
02:07:14,478 --> 02:07:15,145
basically they work everything

4182
02:07:15,145 --> 02:07:17,545
in-house. They have. They're

4183
02:07:18,349 --> 02:07:19,160
very specific tree trimmers.

4184
02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:21,160
There's specific maintenance

4185
02:07:21,919 --> 02:07:23,919
workers, equipment, operators,

4186
02:07:23,988 --> 02:07:24,854
equipment, maintenance

4187
02:07:24,854 --> 02:07:25,488
operators, steelworkers,

4188
02:07:25,488 --> 02:07:27,488
welders, cement finishers.

4189
02:07:28,193 --> 02:07:28,792
Basically everything that they

4190
02:07:28,792 --> 02:07:30,950
do is They're completely

4191
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:32,730
responsible with what they do

4192
02:07:32,730 --> 02:07:33,397
and they're paid very well

4193
02:07:33,397 --> 02:07:36,997
because a lot of that comes

4194
02:07:37,234 --> 02:07:37,901
with the risk of working around

4195
02:07:37,901 --> 02:07:38,569
high voltage lines and just

4196
02:07:38,569 --> 02:07:40,969
other hazardous issues. And

4197
02:07:41,171 --> 02:07:42,272
also they provide a lot of

4198
02:07:42,272 --> 02:07:43,673
training for people who have

4199
02:07:43,673 --> 02:07:46,730
enough experience to get

4200
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:48,846
started, but not enough to work

4201
02:07:48,846 --> 02:07:51,246
on their own. So.

4202
02:07:51,248 --> 02:07:54,551
The issue of it affecting the

4203
02:07:54,551 --> 02:07:56,860
employees from we energies is

4204
02:07:56,860 --> 02:07:58,860
basically nonexistent.

4205
02:07:58,255 --> 02:08:00,223
The most the most paid

4206
02:08:00,223 --> 02:08:02,226
employees for the city are

4207
02:08:02,226 --> 02:08:03,793
people who worked to the lead

4208
02:08:03,793 --> 02:08:04,495
up. I've had the opportunity to

4209
02:08:04,495 --> 02:08:07,398
work for them, but I knew that

4210
02:08:07,398 --> 02:08:08,932
if I did end up taking a job

4211
02:08:08,932 --> 02:08:09,667
with led

4212
02:08:09,667 --> 02:08:11,000
to bp, I probably wouldn't have

4213
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:14,710
moved to moved out of that

4214
02:08:14,710 --> 02:08:17,373
department. Did not came up to

4215
02:08:17,373 --> 02:08:17,740
the city inspectors. So

4216
02:08:17,740 --> 02:08:19,740
basically.

4217
02:08:20,977 --> 02:08:22,790
The employees are pretty much

4218
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:22,813
safe to be.

4219
02:08:22,813 --> 02:08:24,815
Working in-house and also

4220
02:08:24,815 --> 02:08:27,815
improve in their skills and

4221
02:08:28,953 --> 02:08:30,920
also bring in more people who

4222
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:31,989
can share with their who can

4223
02:08:31,989 --> 02:08:33,989
increase their experiences.

4224
02:08:34,124 --> 02:08:36,600
They think, yeah, yes, they are

4225
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:37,962
actually know. We work with The

4226
02:08:37,962 --> 02:08:39,863
m o u a Memorandum of

4227
02:08:39,863 --> 02:08:42,863
Understanding that. Do you have

4228
02:08:43,167 --> 02:08:46,705
kind of like a a group of

4229
02:08:46,705 --> 02:08:47,471
members who

4230
02:08:47,471 --> 02:08:49,471
negotiate with

4231
02:08:50,441 --> 02:08:51,542
the c departments. But

4232
02:08:51,542 --> 02:08:53,942
basically there are chances

4233
02:08:53,978 --> 02:08:57,448
where if the if then will, you

4234
02:08:57,448 --> 02:08:58,820
does not meet the standards

4235
02:08:58,820 --> 02:08:59,782
of what the employees are.

4236
02:08:59,782 --> 02:09:00,517
Employee reps are asking for

4237
02:09:00,517 --> 02:09:03,219
their pensions. There have been

4238
02:09:03,219 --> 02:09:06,219
times where there have been

4239
02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:07,958
a strike than that has not.

4240
02:09:07,958 --> 02:09:08,759
That has led to

4241
02:09:08,759 --> 02:09:11,159
very contentious problems with

4242
02:09:12,620 --> 02:09:14,131
the city. So usually those gets

4243
02:09:14,131 --> 02:09:16,131
resolved very quickly.

4244
02:09:16,233 --> 02:09:17,100
Thank you, MISTER. Just to just

4245
02:09:17,100 --> 02:09:18,135
to clarify, we do have time to

4246
02:09:18,135 --> 02:09:19,403
seeing that there's multiple

4247
02:09:19,403 --> 02:09:20,360
locals that represent,

4248
02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:21,205
including ibew, local 11.

4249
02:09:21,205 --> 02:09:23,605
The represents thousands of

4250
02:09:23,773 --> 02:09:25,709
civil service workers in l a

4251
02:09:25,709 --> 02:09:26,644
as part of their department

4252
02:09:26,644 --> 02:09:29,847
what was the name of it.

4253
02:09:29,847 --> 02:09:30,514
Again, the Department of Water

4254
02:09:30,514 --> 02:09:31,215
and Power. Yeah, okay. Yes,

4255
02:09:31,215 --> 02:09:31,848
they're there and they're all

4256
02:09:31,848 --> 02:09:32,483
there are. There are union

4257
02:09:32,483 --> 02:09:33,830
locals that represent the

4258
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:35,830
multiple see department.

4259
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,520
Thank you for the correction

4260
02:09:39,823 --> 02:09:42,823
Lent. You can thank you.

4261
02:09:46,163 --> 02:09:47,898
They all names. Adam, take it.

4262
02:09:47,898 --> 02:09:52,980
I and one of the other co

4263
02:09:54,103 --> 02:09:54,705
chairs of the essay. Also,

4264
02:09:54,705 --> 02:09:57,675
So click raise of hands.

4265
02:09:57,675 --> 02:09:58,309
If you are a dsa member in this

4266
02:09:58,309 --> 02:10:01,309
room. Take a look around.

4267
02:10:02,313 --> 02:10:04,782
Thank you. Thank you all for

4268
02:10:04,782 --> 02:10:05,417
showing out the real issue here

4269
02:10:05,417 --> 02:10:06,318
that I think it's kind of

4270
02:10:06,318 --> 02:10:08,718
fundamental is democracy has

4271
02:10:08,752 --> 02:10:11,152
eroded across this country.

4272
02:10:11,588 --> 02:10:12,289
We feel it in our everyday

4273
02:10:12,289 --> 02:10:14,857
life. And we're talking about

4274
02:10:14,857 --> 02:10:15,659
a public, you know, in this

4275
02:10:15,659 --> 02:10:16,360
position here, it's just proven

4276
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:18,361
across the board that you get

4277
02:10:18,361 --> 02:10:21,365
lower rates, you get a matter

4278
02:10:21,365 --> 02:10:23,500
of time. We're actually able to

4279
02:10:23,500 --> 02:10:24,335
take care of our workers right?

4280
02:10:24,335 --> 02:10:26,102
And so why aren't we doing

4281
02:10:26,102 --> 02:10:26,737
this? You know why? Why has

4282
02:10:26,737 --> 02:10:29,737
this not happened? We have

4283
02:10:30,307 --> 02:10:31,175
15,000 people have signed on to

4284
02:10:31,175 --> 02:10:32,408
petitions across the city

4285
02:10:32,408 --> 02:10:33,110
and and then another quick

4286
02:10:33,110 --> 02:10:36,710
check. Do we have anybody from

4287
02:10:36,714 --> 02:10:38,715
we energies in this room right

4288
02:10:38,715 --> 02:10:39,850
now? Anybody he planned to

4289
02:10:39,850 --> 02:10:41,986
testify? They don't believe

4290
02:10:41,986 --> 02:10:45,489
that they need to be in the

4291
02:10:45,489 --> 02:10:46,190
room with us. They can by the

4292
02:10:46,190 --> 02:10:46,890
politicians on their own time

4293
02:10:46,890 --> 02:10:48,392
that they've gone to Tara Reid

4294
02:10:48,392 --> 02:10:49,526
has done probably what they've

4295
02:10:49,526 --> 02:10:51,362
done with Kelda Roys who have

4296
02:10:51,362 --> 02:10:52,328
all received money from we

4297
02:10:52,328 --> 02:10:53,964
energies. They don't believe

4298
02:10:53,964 --> 02:10:54,665
they need to be here in the

4299
02:10:54,665 --> 02:10:57,650
room where democracy actually

4300
02:10:58,680 --> 02:10:58,802
happens because they don't

4301
02:10:58,802 --> 02:10:59,469
believe in democracy. They have

4302
02:10:59,469 --> 02:11:03,690
a board of directors that is

4303
02:11:03,339 --> 02:11:04,274
not elected with guaranteed

4304
02:11:04,274 --> 02:11:05,509
profits right? So it's a

4305
02:11:05,509 --> 02:11:07,611
monopoly without say. And where

4306
02:11:07,611 --> 02:11:09,647
what like 10 days away or so

4307
02:11:09,647 --> 02:11:12,647
from the America's 250 per se

4308
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:15,483
talk about taxation without

4309
02:11:16,253 --> 02:11:18,253
representation. Yeah.

4310
02:11:21,392 --> 02:11:22,993
So we're on on this core

4311
02:11:22,993 --> 02:11:23,927
principle of democracy trying

4312
02:11:23,927 --> 02:11:25,863
to rebuild something in this

4313
02:11:25,863 --> 02:11:28,863
here locally and from the

4314
02:11:28,932 --> 02:11:30,534
ground up across the country.

4315
02:11:30,534 --> 02:11:31,168
If you if you saw the news this

4316
02:11:31,168 --> 02:11:34,168
morning are elected in New

4317
02:11:34,438 --> 02:11:37,438
York, one across the board,

4318
02:11:37,608 --> 02:11:39,608
Democratic Socialist.

4319
02:11:42,146 --> 02:11:44,546
A democratic socialist are

4320
02:11:45,181 --> 02:11:46,116
winning across this country and

4321
02:11:46,116 --> 02:11:47,840
it's not just this pop-up

4322
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:47,651
movement. It's because people

4323
02:11:47,651 --> 02:11:48,318
realize that something

4324
02:11:48,318 --> 02:11:49,788
fundamentally has to change.

4325
02:11:49,788 --> 02:11:53,890
We're feeling in our bones and

4326
02:11:53,890 --> 02:11:54,792
organizing it day to day.

4327
02:11:54,792 --> 02:11:55,626
The Petro dollar

4328
02:11:55,626 --> 02:11:56,695
is dying. Climate refugees are

4329
02:11:56,695 --> 02:11:59,950
happening. We've talked about,

4330
02:11:59,697 --> 02:12:00,765
you know, folks from us from La

4331
02:12:00,765 --> 02:12:04,680
having to move out in the midst

4332
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:07,571
of fires started by other, you

4333
02:12:07,571 --> 02:12:08,204
know, a

4334
02:12:08,204 --> 02:12:08,839
utility companies. And and

4335
02:12:08,839 --> 02:12:11,239
meanwhile, we energies is

4336
02:12:11,374 --> 02:12:12,911
building more natural gas

4337
02:12:12,911 --> 02:12:13,812
plants.

4338
02:12:13,812 --> 02:12:16,181
They have 2 more on the slate

4339
02:12:16,181 --> 02:12:19,840
right now. And they're trying

4340
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:22,520
to have us pay for for their

4341
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:22,686
increased rates with the data

4342
02:12:22,686 --> 02:12:23,355
centers. And so we have a

4343
02:12:23,355 --> 02:12:25,956
limited amount of of direct

4344
02:12:25,956 --> 02:12:26,924
oversight that we can get with

4345
02:12:26,924 --> 02:12:28,459
the psc. But ultimately we need

4346
02:12:28,459 --> 02:12:29,930
to take it back. We need to

4347
02:12:29,930 --> 02:12:31,493
rebuild democracy in this

4348
02:12:32,196 --> 02:12:35,499
country. And this is how we

4349
02:12:35,499 --> 02:12:37,899
start today. Thank you.

4350
02:12:41,339 --> 02:12:43,240
Once again, everybody. There's

4351
02:12:43,240 --> 02:12:44,642
no requirement that you use all

4352
02:12:44,642 --> 02:12:45,376
2 minutes. We're trying to get

4353
02:12:45,376 --> 02:12:48,376
everybody in by noon. And

4354
02:12:49,246 --> 02:12:51,646
that's 40 minutes from now.

4355
02:12:52,810 --> 02:12:53,751
So all right, hello. Good

4356
02:12:53,751 --> 02:12:54,451
morning. I'm Quinn and I ms of

4357
02:12:54,451 --> 02:12:57,354
the student and member of tsa

4358
02:12:57,354 --> 02:13:00,954
and why tsa tsa's youth wing.

4359
02:13:02,359 --> 02:13:05,328
Well that her son I live off

4360
02:13:05,328 --> 02:13:06,630
campus not too far from here.

4361
02:13:06,630 --> 02:13:07,364
I rode my bike here this

4362
02:13:07,364 --> 02:13:10,868
morning in JANUARY, as I'm sure

4363
02:13:10,868 --> 02:13:11,602
you all remember Milwaukee face

4364
02:13:11,602 --> 02:13:13,203
an Arctic blast. The drop temps

4365
02:13:13,203 --> 02:13:16,203
down to minimum of negative

4366
02:13:17,775 --> 02:13:18,475
13 degrees negative. 42 with

4367
02:13:18,475 --> 02:13:20,477
wind chill. This blast was so

4368
02:13:20,477 --> 02:13:21,178
bad that Ms Louise campus shut

4369
02:13:21,178 --> 02:13:24,778
down for several days. If you

4370
02:13:25,282 --> 02:13:26,583
know msa we that doesn't happen

4371
02:13:26,583 --> 02:13:28,285
very often. I remain. I bundle

4372
02:13:28,285 --> 02:13:31,388
mostly stuck to our ce our

4373
02:13:31,388 --> 02:13:33,523
rooms on the second floor.

4374
02:13:33,523 --> 02:13:35,426
Heat rises after all. Still to

4375
02:13:35,426 --> 02:13:38,426
come, the first at around 68

4376
02:13:39,163 --> 02:13:41,565
degrees electric bill for that

4377
02:13:41,565 --> 02:13:43,565
month was $350.

4378
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:44,601
I sought surely that can't be

4379
02:13:44,601 --> 02:13:46,502
right. I was concerned. My

4380
02:13:46,502 --> 02:13:47,204
roommate was running a server

4381
02:13:47,204 --> 02:13:48,871
in their bedroom or something.

4382
02:13:48,871 --> 02:13:51,871
There are computer They do

4383
02:13:53,143 --> 02:13:56,790
stuff like that. But I asked

4384
02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:57,214
then I emailed we energies

4385
02:13:57,214 --> 02:14:00,183
thinking that there was a meter

4386
02:14:00,183 --> 02:14:00,985
issue and the support Tech said

4387
02:14:00,985 --> 02:14:03,870
that there was no way that

4388
02:14:03,870 --> 02:14:04,888
could be the Ears are remotely

4389
02:14:04,888 --> 02:14:06,923
reported. That can be a

4390
02:14:06,923 --> 02:14:09,923
problem. They offered to send

4391
02:14:10,260 --> 02:14:11,127
me a energy efficiency kit and

4392
02:14:11,127 --> 02:14:13,597
I said sure sounds great.

4393
02:14:13,597 --> 02:14:14,297
In the kit were to led light

4394
02:14:14,297 --> 02:14:17,297
bulbs, smart, plug some window

4395
02:14:18,468 --> 02:14:21,468
film we energies branded night

4396
02:14:22,339 --> 02:14:25,308
How was a night late? Supposed

4397
02:14:25,308 --> 02:14:26,430
to help me with my high

4398
02:14:26,430 --> 02:14:26,744
heating bills and we have faced

4399
02:14:26,744 --> 02:14:29,144
extravagant heating bills and

4400
02:14:29,847 --> 02:14:32,448
I'm sure everyone in this room

4401
02:14:32,448 --> 02:14:34,485
hats. And what is we energies

4402
02:14:34,485 --> 02:14:36,252
doing with that money? Pride in

4403
02:14:36,252 --> 02:14:36,854
our elected officials

4404
02:14:36,854 --> 02:14:38,854
apparently according to

4405
02:14:39,356 --> 02:14:40,691
Milwaukee Courier, Lieutenant

4406
02:14:40,691 --> 02:14:41,359
Governor and governor candidate

4407
02:14:41,359 --> 02:14:43,494
Sarah Rodriguez was one of 4

4408
02:14:43,494 --> 02:14:46,396
Democrats to vote yes on a b

4409
02:14:46,396 --> 02:14:47,331
one. 91 a bill to repeal

4410
02:14:47,331 --> 02:14:48,299
personal property taxes.

4411
02:14:48,299 --> 02:14:50,934
That was later blocked by

4412
02:14:50,934 --> 02:14:51,568
Governor Evers in part because

4413
02:14:51,568 --> 02:14:53,871
it could exempt utility

4414
02:14:53,871 --> 02:14:55,571
companies for millions of

4415
02:14:55,571 --> 02:14:56,507
dollars in taxes on their

4416
02:14:56,507 --> 02:14:58,907
infrastructure. After the vote,

4417
02:14:59,510 --> 02:15:00,878
Rodriguez received a donation

4418
02:15:00,878 --> 02:15:03,278
of almost $1300. No thoughts

4419
02:15:04,648 --> 02:15:05,282
are not searching $113,000 from

4420
02:15:05,282 --> 02:15:07,751
wc energy use wc reported

4421
02:15:07,751 --> 02:15:09,886
income of over 8 billion

4422
02:15:09,886 --> 02:15:10,521
dollars last year and currently

4423
02:15:10,521 --> 02:15:12,921
pays their executives over

4424
02:15:13,823 --> 02:15:14,858
32 million dollars. Total

4425
02:15:14,858 --> 02:15:16,626
wrapped-up can do

4426
02:15:16,626 --> 02:15:17,528
as a great pain says. And I

4427
02:15:17,528 --> 02:15:18,163
urge the Common Council to

4428
02:15:18,163 --> 02:15:19,730
replace them with a public

4429
02:15:19,730 --> 02:15:22,730
utility that operates for the

4430
02:15:23,330 --> 02:15:26,203
good of the people, not for

4431
02:15:26,203 --> 02:15:28,203
profits. Thank you.

4432
02:15:31,508 --> 02:15:33,908
Except he's a representative.

4433
02:15:35,450 --> 02:15:35,746
Ryan Clancy following him is

4434
02:15:35,746 --> 02:15:37,181
Tim Schaeffer from Ed Gary and

4435
02:15:37,181 --> 02:15:39,581
Medicines Office and following

4436
02:15:40,484 --> 02:15:43,484
that is Brian's of Paris.

4437
02:15:44,321 --> 02:15:46,321
Bryson cares.

4438
02:15:47,625 --> 02:15:50,250
Coming up, right? Yeah.

4439
02:15:52,963 --> 02:15:54,931
I'm Ryan Clancy, representative

4440
02:15:54,931 --> 02:15:55,866
to Wisconsin's 19th Assembly

4441
02:15:55,866 --> 02:15:56,567
district. I'm here to call for

4442
02:15:56,567 --> 02:15:58,967
a publicly own democratically

4443
02:15:59,703 --> 02:16:00,903
run utility in Milwaukee and an

4444
02:16:00,903 --> 02:16:02,730
ends to we energies and I am

4445
02:16:02,730 --> 02:16:02,940
beyond grateful to see so many

4446
02:16:02,940 --> 02:16:04,808
people show up in favor of

4447
02:16:04,808 --> 02:16:07,110
this. Today. I was looking

4448
02:16:07,110 --> 02:16:08,812
through my pictures this

4449
02:16:08,812 --> 02:16:10,380
morning and I found one of my

4450
02:16:10,380 --> 02:16:12,383
then 7 year-old and I surveying

4451
02:16:12,383 --> 02:16:13,983
our neighbors back in 2021.

4452
02:16:13,983 --> 02:16:14,651
For the power of the people

4453
02:16:14,651 --> 02:16:17,651
campaign. A lot has changed.

4454
02:16:18,454 --> 02:16:19,890
Since then. My child is now

4455
02:16:19,890 --> 02:16:20,557
12 years old. They're in a

4456
02:16:20,557 --> 02:16:22,425
different school. They have a

4457
02:16:22,425 --> 02:16:23,227
much different fashion sense

4458
02:16:23,227 --> 02:16:26,563
than they did several years ago

4459
02:16:26,563 --> 02:16:27,231
of a lot is not. They're still

4460
02:16:27,231 --> 02:16:28,499
in favor of public power are

4461
02:16:28,499 --> 02:16:32,990
both very excited to see public

4462
02:16:32,468 --> 02:16:33,690
power gain traction with this

4463
02:16:33,690 --> 02:16:34,673
hearing here today. The

4464
02:16:34,673 --> 02:16:35,506
clipboard they were holding in

4465
02:16:35,506 --> 02:16:36,206
that picture 5 years ago noted

4466
02:16:36,206 --> 02:16:39,209
that the person that we talked

4467
02:16:39,209 --> 02:16:39,877
to had a, quote, very negative

4468
02:16:39,877 --> 02:16:42,879
view of we energies that is

4469
02:16:42,879 --> 02:16:43,547
certainly not changed in the

4470
02:16:43,547 --> 02:16:46,547
last half decade because we

4471
02:16:46,582 --> 02:16:47,284
energies is built to fail.

4472
02:16:47,284 --> 02:16:48,485
The people of Milwaukee we can

4473
02:16:48,485 --> 02:16:49,386
be for Mitt be could force it

4474
02:16:49,386 --> 02:16:52,256
to do its job a little bit

4475
02:16:52,256 --> 02:16:52,957
better. That is still an

4476
02:16:52,957 --> 02:16:53,623
investor owned utility design

4477
02:16:53,623 --> 02:16:56,794
not to deliver power to the

4478
02:16:56,794 --> 02:16:57,927
people that profits to

4479
02:16:57,927 --> 02:16:59,596
investors.

4480
02:16:59,596 --> 02:17:00,264
Investor owned utilities, have

4481
02:17:00,264 --> 02:17:02,733
a built-in profit motive and

4482
02:17:02,733 --> 02:17:04,401
are driven to maximize profits

4483
02:17:04,401 --> 02:17:05,970
for their shareholders over

4484
02:17:05,970 --> 02:17:07,970
affordability. Sustainability

4485
02:17:09,239 --> 02:17:12,239
and the actual urgent needs

4486
02:17:12,242 --> 02:17:12,943
of people.

4487
02:17:12,943 --> 02:17:14,770
That makes them as bad as any

4488
02:17:14,770 --> 02:17:16,770
monopolistic corporation.

4489
02:17:16,245 --> 02:17:18,148
But even worse, they do have

4490
02:17:18,148 --> 02:17:19,490
a guaranteed nearly 10% rate of

4491
02:17:19,490 --> 02:17:21,218
return on what they billed.

4492
02:17:21,218 --> 02:17:22,190
That's why they want more data

4493
02:17:22,190 --> 02:17:22,653
centers, more giant gas plants

4494
02:17:22,653 --> 02:17:25,653
to power them. That's why

4495
02:17:26,423 --> 02:17:27,570
they'll never invest in their

4496
02:17:27,570 --> 02:17:27,757
own. Infants instructor to

4497
02:17:27,757 --> 02:17:30,940
increase up time and keep many

4498
02:17:30,940 --> 02:17:31,610
neighborhoods from having

4499
02:17:31,610 --> 02:17:31,694
constant power outages. That's

4500
02:17:31,694 --> 02:17:34,940
why they'll never make

4501
02:17:34,598 --> 02:17:35,565
decisions that prioritize the

4502
02:17:35,565 --> 02:17:36,667
environment over dollars.

4503
02:17:36,667 --> 02:17:38,701
The profit motive is why they

4504
02:17:38,701 --> 02:17:40,604
don't care if the decisions

4505
02:17:40,604 --> 02:17:41,472
they make are in our long-term

4506
02:17:41,472 --> 02:17:42,600
interest. That's what every few

4507
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:44,406
years they push for.

4508
02:17:45,708 --> 02:17:46,342
Disproportionate increases to

4509
02:17:46,342 --> 02:17:47,611
residential rates. Because

4510
02:17:47,611 --> 02:17:50,547
right now you and me and every

4511
02:17:50,547 --> 02:17:51,248
other we energies customer pays

4512
02:17:51,248 --> 02:17:53,648
for their perpetual expansion

4513
02:17:53,684 --> 02:17:54,318
and inefficiency, whether it's

4514
02:17:54,318 --> 02:17:56,420
needed or not, the public

4515
02:17:56,420 --> 02:17:57,589
ownership would replace the

4516
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:59,122
pursuit of profits. But

4517
02:17:59,122 --> 02:18:01,122
Democratic oversight and

4518
02:18:04,261 --> 02:18:04,862
liability and affordability.

4519
02:18:04,862 --> 02:18:05,929
This isn't hypothetical.

4520
02:18:05,929 --> 02:18:06,629
81 municipalities, Ms Constand

4521
02:18:06,629 --> 02:18:07,831
already used this model to see

4522
02:18:07,831 --> 02:18:09,199
lower bills and enjoy better

4523
02:18:09,199 --> 02:18:12,199
more reliable service. We have

4524
02:18:12,636 --> 02:18:13,337
the tools to do this. We know

4525
02:18:13,337 --> 02:18:15,339
how it works and we know what

4526
02:18:15,339 --> 02:18:17,441
works in places with even fewer

4527
02:18:17,441 --> 02:18:18,408
resources than here in

4528
02:18:18,408 --> 02:18:20,243
Milwaukee. And the good news is

4529
02:18:20,243 --> 02:18:23,113
this we energies does not have

4530
02:18:23,113 --> 02:18:23,713
the legal power to stay a

4531
02:18:23,713 --> 02:18:25,713
damaging private entity

4532
02:18:25,849 --> 02:18:27,751
forever. Chapter one 97 in

4533
02:18:27,751 --> 02:18:29,719
existing Wisconsin state law

4534
02:18:29,719 --> 02:18:30,587
allows the municipality to buy

4535
02:18:30,587 --> 02:18:31,255
and operate their local

4536
02:18:31,255 --> 02:18:32,356
utilities. We just need the

4537
02:18:32,356 --> 02:18:34,325
courage and action from people

4538
02:18:34,325 --> 02:18:37,294
with the power to do it.

4539
02:18:37,294 --> 02:18:39,730
That's all of you. For our part

4540
02:18:39,730 --> 02:18:40,431
of the state. We're committed

4541
02:18:40,431 --> 02:18:44,310
to codifying the end of Act 10

4542
02:18:44,901 --> 02:18:47,901
in ensuring that a public

4543
02:18:49,406 --> 02:18:50,708
utility. And employee.

4544
02:18:50,708 --> 02:18:51,542
An employee and fairly

4545
02:18:51,542 --> 02:18:52,275
compensate public union

4546
02:18:52,275 --> 02:18:54,675
employees. That could certainly

4547
02:18:55,279 --> 02:18:56,312
happen after the creation of a

4548
02:18:56,312 --> 02:18:56,981
co-op or 3rd party entity.

4549
02:18:56,981 --> 02:18:59,381
I'm a Democratic socialist.

4550
02:18:59,382 --> 02:19:00,149
The way know that at least some

4551
02:19:00,149 --> 02:19:02,520
people in this room aren't

4552
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:02,686
public ownership and control

4553
02:19:02,686 --> 02:19:06,286
of public goods is core to

4554
02:19:07,725 --> 02:19:08,659
socialism, but also court to

4555
02:19:08,659 --> 02:19:09,593
Milwaukee's history. And it's

4556
02:19:09,593 --> 02:19:10,660
like Democratic socialism is an

4557
02:19:10,660 --> 02:19:11,962
increasingly popular and

4558
02:19:11,962 --> 02:19:14,362
powerful alternative to the

4559
02:19:14,665 --> 02:19:15,466
obvious failures of the status

4560
02:19:15,466 --> 02:19:16,233
quo. Like we energies. I

4561
02:19:16,233 --> 02:19:19,536
welcome you to be our ally on

4562
02:19:19,536 --> 02:19:21,936
this critical and clearly

4563
02:19:22,706 --> 02:19:23,641
popular issue.

4564
02:19:23,641 --> 02:19:24,775
I ask you to listen to the

4565
02:19:24,775 --> 02:19:26,710
overwhelming testimony in favor

4566
02:19:26,710 --> 02:19:28,211
of the public utility today.

4567
02:19:28,211 --> 02:19:29,130
And to give honest

4568
02:19:29,130 --> 02:19:30,881
consideration to this practical

4569
02:19:30,881 --> 02:19:33,500
and efficient idea, I'm very

4570
02:19:33,500 --> 02:19:33,616
happy to stand with the

4571
02:19:33,616 --> 02:19:34,685
Milwaukee dsa. They're

4572
02:19:34,685 --> 02:19:35,419
dedicated organizers for power

4573
02:19:35,419 --> 02:19:38,322
to the people and everyone else

4574
02:19:38,322 --> 02:19:41,322
stepping up for public power

4575
02:19:41,492 --> 02:19:43,492
today. Thank you.

4576
02:19:48,564 --> 02:19:51,669
Thanks for Plan, My name is

4577
02:19:51,669 --> 02:19:52,236
Tim Schafer. I'm the director

4578
02:19:52,236 --> 02:19:52,836
of communications and

4579
02:19:52,836 --> 02:19:54,836
constituent services for

4580
02:19:55,306 --> 02:19:56,140
Representative Darren Madison.

4581
02:19:56,140 --> 02:19:56,808
Intense Assembly district,

4582
02:19:56,808 --> 02:19:58,474
including parts of Milwaukee

4583
02:19:58,474 --> 02:20:00,874
already suffering under study

4584
02:20:00,878 --> 02:20:02,846
increasingly high energy costs

4585
02:20:02,846 --> 02:20:04,982
often on affordably high energy

4586
02:20:04,982 --> 02:20:05,615
costs and unreliable service.

4587
02:20:05,615 --> 02:20:08,352
I'm excited and honored to

4588
02:20:08,352 --> 02:20:09,352
share this testimony on behalf

4589
02:20:09,352 --> 02:20:11,188
of Representative Madison.

4590
02:20:11,188 --> 02:20:13,890
Milwaukee in the entire state

4591
02:20:13,890 --> 02:20:15,159
of Wisconsin are facing a clear

4592
02:20:15,159 --> 02:20:16,260
present and mounting energy

4593
02:20:16,260 --> 02:20:17,930
crisis. Many of my constituents

4594
02:20:17,930 --> 02:20:18,262
are severe the energy burden,

4595
02:20:18,262 --> 02:20:20,630
which means they're paying at

4596
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:23,630
least 10% but up to 20% and

4597
02:20:24,367 --> 02:20:25,200
even more of their income for

4598
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:26,470
utilities alone with many

4599
02:20:26,470 --> 02:20:27,338
others, forces survive on low

4600
02:20:27,338 --> 02:20:29,540
or utility usage because they

4601
02:20:29,540 --> 02:20:31,875
cannot afford to safely

4602
02:20:31,875 --> 02:20:32,476
comfortably heat or cool their

4603
02:20:32,476 --> 02:20:34,377
homes even worse. Their

4604
02:20:34,377 --> 02:20:36,280
constituents of mine that have

4605
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:37,470
that had their energy shut off

4606
02:20:37,470 --> 02:20:37,715
entirely and some of experience

4607
02:20:37,715 --> 02:20:40,115
long and frequent blackouts

4608
02:20:40,351 --> 02:20:42,252
gonna neighborhoods through no

4609
02:20:42,252 --> 02:20:43,287
fault of their own. Meanwhile,

4610
02:20:43,287 --> 02:20:44,287
we energies refuses to

4611
02:20:44,287 --> 02:20:46,255
transition to renewable clean

4612
02:20:46,255 --> 02:20:48,325
energy at the pace and scale

4613
02:20:48,325 --> 02:20:48,993
our climate crisis demands.

4614
02:20:48,993 --> 02:20:50,894
This is deepening our energy

4615
02:20:50,894 --> 02:20:52,763
crisis and entrenching our

4616
02:20:52,763 --> 02:20:53,630
commitment to dirty energy

4617
02:20:53,630 --> 02:20:54,264
sources. None of my

4618
02:20:54,264 --> 02:20:55,866
constituents or yours can

4619
02:20:55,866 --> 02:20:56,567
afford to lose the environment

4620
02:20:56,567 --> 02:20:59,870
where they work live and play.

4621
02:20:59,870 --> 02:21:01,171
And these are the stakes were

4622
02:21:01,171 --> 02:21:01,938
talking about today.

4623
02:21:01,938 --> 02:21:03,807
So let me be very clear.

4624
02:21:03,807 --> 02:21:05,109
Every resident of Milwaukee

4625
02:21:05,109 --> 02:21:05,742
deserves guaranteed access to a

4626
02:21:05,742 --> 02:21:07,742
democratically controlled,

4627
02:21:08,313 --> 02:21:10,470
affordable, reliable and clean

4628
02:21:10,470 --> 02:21:10,681
energy system. But as a

4629
02:21:10,681 --> 02:21:11,281
for-profit investor owned

4630
02:21:11,281 --> 02:21:13,681
utility, we energies is

4631
02:21:14,151 --> 02:21:16,185
incompatible with that vision.

4632
02:21:16,185 --> 02:21:18,389
We energies has failed to

4633
02:21:18,389 --> 02:21:19,891
deliver on its promises of

4634
02:21:19,891 --> 02:21:20,558
clean, affordable energy and it

4635
02:21:20,558 --> 02:21:22,393
will continue to fail to get

4636
02:21:22,393 --> 02:21:24,461
his son. It is simply not built

4637
02:21:24,461 --> 02:21:26,230
to meet. Those needs. It is

4638
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:28,230
instead an undemocratic

4639
02:21:28,299 --> 02:21:29,466
monopoly, a for-profit model

4640
02:21:29,466 --> 02:21:30,990
that still incentivizes mass

4641
02:21:30,990 --> 02:21:32,499
scale, fossil fuel, energy

4642
02:21:33,137 --> 02:21:33,838
generation and distribution, as

4643
02:21:33,838 --> 02:21:36,674
others have noted it currently

4644
02:21:36,674 --> 02:21:38,742
provides only 6% of its energy

4645
02:21:38,742 --> 02:21:40,811
from renewables while charging

4646
02:21:40,811 --> 02:21:41,513
rates that are 30 to 40% more

4647
02:21:41,513 --> 02:21:42,212
than you to utilities already

4648
02:21:42,212 --> 02:21:44,612
working for Wisconsin. Public

4649
02:21:46,550 --> 02:21:48,619
utilities already working for

4650
02:21:48,619 --> 02:21:49,252
Wisconsin. So while we energies

4651
02:21:49,252 --> 02:21:51,155
gets in almost 10% profit

4652
02:21:51,155 --> 02:21:53,290
guarantee and most of its new

4653
02:21:53,290 --> 02:21:55,580
infrastructure, as others have

4654
02:21:55,580 --> 02:21:55,693
noted to its shareholders, sole

4655
02:21:55,693 --> 02:21:57,862
benefit. The residents of

4656
02:21:57,862 --> 02:21:59,563
Milwaukee are left paying the

4657
02:21:59,563 --> 02:22:00,264
financial health and

4658
02:22:00,264 --> 02:22:00,930
environmental costs and we'll

4659
02:22:00,930 --> 02:22:02,633
be paying for outdated dirty

4660
02:22:02,633 --> 02:22:03,367
new of new fossil fuel

4661
02:22:03,367 --> 02:22:05,767
infrastructure for decades with

4662
02:22:07,371 --> 02:22:10,600
that cost felt for centuries.

4663
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:11,275
Energy system does not have

4664
02:22:11,275 --> 02:22:12,142
to work this way. 81

4665
02:22:12,142 --> 02:22:12,842
municipalities all across

4666
02:22:12,842 --> 02:22:13,578
Wisconsin already have public

4667
02:22:13,578 --> 02:22:16,714
power and that already leads to

4668
02:22:16,714 --> 02:22:18,682
cheaper energy rates and more

4669
02:22:18,682 --> 02:22:20,516
reliable service.

4670
02:22:20,516 --> 02:22:21,185
The I hope these public power

4671
02:22:21,185 --> 02:22:21,785
utilities right now provide

4672
02:22:21,785 --> 02:22:23,785
11% of Wisconsin energy

4673
02:22:25,923 --> 02:22:27,391
powering over 300,000 homes

4674
02:22:27,391 --> 02:22:28,570
and businesses. Milwaukee can

4675
02:22:28,570 --> 02:22:28,759
prioritize our workers,

4676
02:22:28,759 --> 02:22:31,950
community and environment over

4677
02:22:31,950 --> 02:22:31,895
corporate profits by embracing

4678
02:22:31,895 --> 02:22:32,563
public power. And I look

4679
02:22:32,563 --> 02:22:33,263
forward to working with the

4680
02:22:33,263 --> 02:22:36,333
city of Milwaukee to make this

4681
02:22:36,333 --> 02:22:39,933
idea a reality. Thank you all.

4682
02:22:43,807 --> 02:22:46,807
And the next group of

4683
02:22:46,810 --> 02:22:48,812
Cleopatra, White and Olivia

4684
02:22:48,812 --> 02:22:49,747
McDowell.

4685
02:22:49,747 --> 02:22:51,882
Thank you so much. Members of

4686
02:22:51,882 --> 02:22:54,517
the review board as well as

4687
02:22:54,517 --> 02:22:55,619
everyone else for being here

4688
02:22:55,619 --> 02:22:56,287
today. My name is Bree Second.

4689
02:22:56,287 --> 02:22:59,356
Rice. I media say member and

4690
02:22:59,356 --> 02:23:02,956
the secretary of the power to

4691
02:23:02,960 --> 02:23:03,527
the people campaign.

4692
02:23:03,527 --> 02:23:04,940
I'm a teacher and most

4693
02:23:04,940 --> 02:23:06,494
importantly, I am also

4694
02:23:06,730 --> 02:23:07,765
concerned resident of this

4695
02:23:07,765 --> 02:23:08,998
community.

4696
02:23:08,998 --> 02:23:11,836
One thing that's been rolling

4697
02:23:11,836 --> 02:23:12,970
around in my head as we've been

4698
02:23:12,970 --> 02:23:14,839
hearing a lot of really

4699
02:23:14,839 --> 02:23:16,839
wonderful, both professional

4700
02:23:17,608 --> 02:23:18,342
and public testimony about why

4701
02:23:18,342 --> 02:23:20,477
chapter one 97 needs to be used

4702
02:23:20,477 --> 02:23:24,770
to replace we energies with a

4703
02:23:24,281 --> 02:23:25,150
public utility. It's been a

4704
02:23:25,150 --> 02:23:25,748
quote from one of our most

4705
02:23:25,748 --> 02:23:28,252
prominent public figures in the

4706
02:23:28,252 --> 02:23:31,252
city's history, which is Mayor

4707
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:33,890
Daniel Home. When faced with

4708
02:23:33,890 --> 02:23:36,890
the Great Depression, the stock

4709
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:37,126
market failing people losing

4710
02:23:37,126 --> 02:23:38,295
jobs, businesses going simply

4711
02:23:38,295 --> 02:23:39,763
under. Daniel Haun issued one

4712
02:23:39,763 --> 02:23:42,763
main quote That's been sticking

4713
02:23:42,899 --> 02:23:44,934
with me and I think is more

4714
02:23:44,934 --> 02:23:45,636
pertinent today than ever has

4715
02:23:45,636 --> 02:23:48,538
been. It's that businesses MAY

4716
02:23:48,538 --> 02:23:50,938
quit your government can't.

4717
02:23:54,979 --> 02:23:56,790
With that. I'm here to tell

4718
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:58,149
you that business has already

4719
02:23:58,149 --> 02:23:59,983
quit. And that is we energies

4720
02:23:59,983 --> 02:24:00,684
and the people who make

4721
02:24:00,684 --> 02:24:01,385
decisions for we energies

4722
02:24:01,385 --> 02:24:04,288
because they have quit caring

4723
02:24:04,288 --> 02:24:07,288
about the people of Milwaukee.

4724
02:24:09,260 --> 02:24:11,562
I don't need to go to further

4725
02:24:11,562 --> 02:24:14,430
into the profit motive of the

4726
02:24:14,430 --> 02:24:15,532
9.8% minimum guaranteed profit

4727
02:24:15,532 --> 02:24:19,470
for this company. But I do want

4728
02:24:19,470 --> 02:24:21,772
to incentivize that 9.8% of

4729
02:24:21,772 --> 02:24:24,841
your bill. My bill help our

4730
02:24:24,841 --> 02:24:25,909
bills is guaranteed to not go

4731
02:24:25,909 --> 02:24:27,909
to infrastructure improvements.

4732
02:24:29,980 --> 02:24:31,490
It's guaranteed to not go to

4733
02:24:31,490 --> 02:24:33,170
renewable energy programs and

4734
02:24:33,170 --> 02:24:34,451
it is guaranteed not to go to

4735
02:24:34,451 --> 02:24:35,850
the workers that are actually

4736
02:24:35,850 --> 02:24:38,422
out there and doing all of

4737
02:24:38,422 --> 02:24:40,822
these line improvements or

4738
02:24:41,358 --> 02:24:43,294
keeping the lights on because

4739
02:24:43,294 --> 02:24:45,294
that 9.8% is guaranteed.

4740
02:24:45,329 --> 02:24:48,970
And this is a minimum guarantee

4741
02:24:48,970 --> 02:24:48,832
is guaranteed to line the

4742
02:24:48,832 --> 02:24:51,701
pockets of some board room that

4743
02:24:51,701 --> 02:24:53,736
is not even caring about us in

4744
02:24:53,736 --> 02:24:55,736
this room.

4745
02:24:57,573 --> 02:24:58,242
They don't see you me or any of

4746
02:24:58,242 --> 02:25:01,344
us as anything other than a

4747
02:25:01,344 --> 02:25:03,800
simply account number, kept it

4748
02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:03,814
up right there for I am simply

4749
02:25:03,814 --> 02:25:05,348
asking that we use Chapter one.

4750
02:25:05,348 --> 02:25:08,348
97 once again. Thank you for

4751
02:25:08,653 --> 02:25:11,822
your time. And it is time for

4752
02:25:11,822 --> 02:25:14,222
we energies to go.

4753
02:25:21,332 --> 02:25:21,966
Hello. My name is Cleopatra.

4754
02:25:21,966 --> 02:25:22,665
Light. I'm just a regular

4755
02:25:22,665 --> 02:25:25,665
middle-class home owner of the

4756
02:25:26,737 --> 02:25:27,771
Milwaukee resident representing

4757
02:25:27,771 --> 02:25:29,439
the Southgate site. I am here

4758
02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:32,420
to just show my full support to

4759
02:25:32,420 --> 02:25:33,276
a new energy infrastructure.

4760
02:25:33,276 --> 02:25:35,676
Its power community support

4761
02:25:36,913 --> 02:25:38,549
accountability and profits to

4762
02:25:38,549 --> 02:25:40,450
be approved and manage by the

4763
02:25:40,450 --> 02:25:43,653
people. I believe this is not a

4764
02:25:43,653 --> 02:25:44,387
political party request for

4765
02:25:44,387 --> 02:25:46,423
movement. It's simply humanity.

4766
02:25:46,423 --> 02:25:47,958
Every family and taxpayer

4767
02:25:47,958 --> 02:25:48,626
deserves the right to have

4768
02:25:48,626 --> 02:25:51,626
options. The control of the

4769
02:25:52,696 --> 02:25:54,764
utilities and to be and to put

4770
02:25:54,764 --> 02:25:56,633
the best interests savings

4771
02:25:56,633 --> 02:25:57,469
programs, all infrastructure to

4772
02:25:57,469 --> 02:25:58,235
the people over and said of the

4773
02:25:58,235 --> 02:26:00,235
annual increase guarantee

4774
02:26:01,438 --> 02:26:03,838
profits of we energies,

4775
02:26:03,841 --> 02:26:06,900
investors. I live on a block

4776
02:26:06,900 --> 02:26:09,900
where street lights are almost

4777
02:26:10,114 --> 02:26:12,616
out on a daily. I have been in

4778
02:26:12,616 --> 02:26:14,385
my neighborhood now for 6 years

4779
02:26:14,385 --> 02:26:15,850
and I've seen and felt the

4780
02:26:15,850 --> 02:26:16,954
financial squeeze and pressure

4781
02:26:16,954 --> 02:26:20,491
burden as well as I'm sure

4782
02:26:20,491 --> 02:26:22,493
everyone else he has. I am just

4783
02:26:22,493 --> 02:26:24,162
a working class. Single mother

4784
02:26:24,162 --> 02:26:24,762
and with trying to juggle all

4785
02:26:24,762 --> 02:26:25,362
my monthly expenses, I

4786
02:26:25,362 --> 02:26:27,762
shouldn't have to choose

4787
02:26:28,231 --> 02:26:31,201
between putting putting food on

4788
02:26:31,201 --> 02:26:32,201
the table for my family are

4789
02:26:32,201 --> 02:26:34,238
keeping the lights on. It's

4790
02:26:34,238 --> 02:26:37,341
becoming more and more of a

4791
02:26:37,341 --> 02:26:39,209
financial burden. So at this

4792
02:26:39,209 --> 02:26:39,910
point, this is needed in the

4793
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:43,213
city of Milwaukee. And this is

4794
02:26:43,213 --> 02:26:46,383
needed to be ran by the public.

4795
02:26:46,383 --> 02:26:48,383
Thank you.

4796
02:26:53,757 --> 02:26:54,792
Hello. My name is Lydia

4797
02:26:54,792 --> 02:26:58,392
McDowell and I am a resident

4798
02:26:58,696 --> 02:26:59,596
of Milwaukee's East side.

4799
02:26:59,596 --> 02:27:00,296
I have lived here now for 6

4800
02:27:00,296 --> 02:27:03,367
years and I adore the city of

4801
02:27:03,367 --> 02:27:04,501
Milwaukee. And that is exactly

4802
02:27:04,501 --> 02:27:06,901
why I'm here today.

4803
02:27:07,404 --> 02:27:09,439
So it was referenced earlier.

4804
02:27:09,439 --> 02:27:11,308
But when we faced serious cold

4805
02:27:11,308 --> 02:27:11,941
fronts this past JANUARY, my

4806
02:27:11,941 --> 02:27:15,450
home, which I do not own I

4807
02:27:15,450 --> 02:27:15,778
rent, I don't have control over

4808
02:27:15,778 --> 02:27:18,649
the insulation got so cold that

4809
02:27:18,649 --> 02:27:22,860
my damp laundry froze to the

4810
02:27:22,860 --> 02:27:23,119
floor.

4811
02:27:23,119 --> 02:27:24,722
I had to pry it off of my

4812
02:27:24,722 --> 02:27:25,456
floor. And when a call we

4813
02:27:25,456 --> 02:27:27,856
energies about the astronomical

4814
02:27:28,325 --> 02:27:28,759
bill. I got shortly after

4815
02:27:28,759 --> 02:27:29,493
losing my job.

4816
02:27:29,493 --> 02:27:32,329
Their solution is well put some

4817
02:27:32,329 --> 02:27:35,329
cling wrap over your windows

4818
02:27:36,367 --> 02:27:39,967
I need a system that protects

4819
02:27:40,571 --> 02:27:42,139
me my own. And that cares for

4820
02:27:42,139 --> 02:27:42,806
my community. I

4821
02:27:42,806 --> 02:27:45,206
am calling for transparency

4822
02:27:46,378 --> 02:27:48,579
and prices because I am tired

4823
02:27:48,579 --> 02:27:50,447
of paying over what led what

4824
02:27:50,447 --> 02:27:51,148
money my husband and I can

4825
02:27:51,148 --> 02:27:52,349
scrounge together every month

4826
02:27:52,349 --> 02:27:52,950
towards a corporation that does

4827
02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:56,353
not care for me and has

4828
02:27:56,353 --> 02:27:57,454
multiple times in my life

4829
02:27:57,454 --> 02:27:58,870
turned off my lights.

4830
02:27:58,870 --> 02:28:00,758
I am just ready for better

4831
02:28:00,758 --> 02:28:02,758
representation from the

4832
02:28:03,270 --> 02:28:06,330
government. And I call on you

4833
02:28:06,330 --> 02:28:09,399
to do your job and to be

4834
02:28:09,399 --> 02:28:11,399
pulled.

4835
02:28:21,612 --> 02:28:23,612
A kbo Leon.

4836
02:28:24,480 --> 02:28:27,480
And after that is Katie.

4837
02:28:27,318 --> 02:28:30,654
Kate Ward. And then after that

4838
02:28:30,654 --> 02:28:32,654
is.

4839
02:28:33,958 --> 02:28:35,590
Lou Pelican. We've got that

4840
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:37,590
correct. Okay.

4841
02:28:37,728 --> 02:28:40,965
High winds are coming on and

4842
02:28:40,965 --> 02:28:41,598
the student, the un and also

4843
02:28:41,598 --> 02:28:44,535
the co-chair of the Young

4844
02:28:44,535 --> 02:28:47,535
Democrats of America at you.

4845
02:28:49,807 --> 02:28:50,506
Do you know?

4846
02:28:50,506 --> 02:28:53,377
I mean, I've lived in college

4847
02:28:53,377 --> 02:28:56,280
housing and apartments et have.

4848
02:28:56,280 --> 02:28:57,414
Not a good insulation and of

4849
02:28:57,414 --> 02:28:59,917
all set to be the one there

4850
02:28:59,917 --> 02:29:01,484
who has their name down for the

4851
02:29:01,484 --> 02:29:03,884
We energies account and

4852
02:29:06,924 --> 02:29:11,280
monthly. It was not fun to get

4853
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:11,395
that in I think that's it for

4854
02:29:11,395 --> 02:29:13,395
so many of

4855
02:29:14,665 --> 02:29:15,366
my peers who are struggling who

4856
02:29:15,366 --> 02:29:18,966
have to worry about being able

4857
02:29:20,400 --> 02:29:21,710
to pay loans after they get

4858
02:29:21,710 --> 02:29:22,972
out school. I think it's

4859
02:29:22,972 --> 02:29:25,972
disgusting for we energies to

4860
02:29:27,277 --> 02:29:27,945
profit off of us as we're just

4861
02:29:27,945 --> 02:29:30,140
trying to further our lives

4862
02:29:30,140 --> 02:29:33,140
and improve ourselves and our

4863
02:29:33,617 --> 02:29:35,252
future prospects. I also think

4864
02:29:35,252 --> 02:29:36,954
that coming from the young

4865
02:29:36,954 --> 02:29:40,554
generation who is going to have

4866
02:29:40,658 --> 02:29:43,260
to face the effects of the

4867
02:29:43,260 --> 02:29:43,895
climate crisis in full that we

4868
02:29:43,895 --> 02:29:46,895
need to move to renewable

4869
02:29:47,564 --> 02:29:48,165
energy and we energies is not

4870
02:29:48,165 --> 02:29:49,566
going to do that for us.

4871
02:29:49,566 --> 02:29:53,166
They have their goal set for

4872
02:29:53,336 --> 02:29:55,500
2050, which is much too late.

4873
02:29:55,500 --> 02:29:58,642
We need to move now. So that's

4874
02:29:58,642 --> 02:30:00,744
a people of my generation have.

4875
02:30:00,744 --> 02:30:02,744
Holmes comfortable home

4876
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:07,480
Sullivan in the future. Thank

4877
02:30:07,351 --> 02:30:10,351
you very much. Thank you.

4878
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:15,693
I excuse me. My name is Kate

4879
02:30:15,693 --> 02:30:18,629
Allard. I used to live in

4880
02:30:18,629 --> 02:30:20,597
Madison and I moved here about

4881
02:30:20,597 --> 02:30:22,597
3 years ago.

4882
02:30:22,599 --> 02:30:23,300
After moving here, I found the

4883
02:30:23,300 --> 02:30:23,934
wages were much lower. Yet the

4884
02:30:23,934 --> 02:30:26,337
rent is higher. Prices are

4885
02:30:26,337 --> 02:30:28,371
higher and my energy bill is

4886
02:30:28,371 --> 02:30:30,341
going up every year. My energy

4887
02:30:30,341 --> 02:30:31,274
bill is already uncomfortably

4888
02:30:31,274 --> 02:30:33,243
high. And I think most

4889
02:30:33,243 --> 02:30:34,878
Milwaukee residents agree that

4890
02:30:34,878 --> 02:30:35,546
we don't need higher utility

4891
02:30:35,546 --> 02:30:37,546
bills. 12 shareholder strip,

4892
02:30:37,915 --> 02:30:39,416
our natural resources and line

4893
02:30:39,416 --> 02:30:40,500
their pockets. We energies is

4894
02:30:40,500 --> 02:30:41,552
known for making the wrong

4895
02:30:41,552 --> 02:30:43,521
decisions in our community and

4896
02:30:43,521 --> 02:30:44,421
then has us pay for their

4897
02:30:44,421 --> 02:30:46,156
failures. It should be our

4898
02:30:46,156 --> 02:30:48,580
right to choose what our

4899
02:30:48,580 --> 02:30:49,893
utility spend our money on.

4900
02:30:49,893 --> 02:30:50,528
I strongly urge you to fight

4901
02:30:50,528 --> 02:30:52,610
for a public utility in

4902
02:30:52,610 --> 02:30:54,461
Milwaukee. Don't that we

4903
02:30:55,431 --> 02:30:58,736
energies leave us in the dark.

4904
02:30:58,736 --> 02:31:02,336
Find the courage to do it.

4905
02:31:07,511 --> 02:31:08,445
Hi, my name is blue public and

4906
02:31:08,445 --> 02:31:09,513
I am a dsa member and volunteer

4907
02:31:09,513 --> 02:31:12,830
with Alex Powers Office as well

4908
02:31:12,830 --> 02:31:14,483
currently laid off electrician.

4909
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:17,210
I want to talk to you about.

4910
02:31:17,210 --> 02:31:19,890
What our money is actually

4911
02:31:19,890 --> 02:31:20,691
going towards because right now

4912
02:31:20,691 --> 02:31:24,862
we energies ceo on his own is

4913
02:31:24,862 --> 02:31:25,829
making over 11 million dollars.

4914
02:31:25,829 --> 02:31:27,831
Meanwhile. There are multiple

4915
02:31:27,831 --> 02:31:28,432
neighborhoods within this city

4916
02:31:28,432 --> 02:31:30,432
that experience regular

4917
02:31:30,668 --> 02:31:31,168
blackouts, especially during

4918
02:31:31,168 --> 02:31:32,402
storms. We have no

4919
02:31:32,402 --> 02:31:34,402
infrastructure that can

4920
02:31:35,105 --> 02:31:36,875
withstand a basic need Western

4921
02:31:36,875 --> 02:31:37,641
storm in very many different

4922
02:31:37,641 --> 02:31:38,342
neighborhoods. The fact that

4923
02:31:38,342 --> 02:31:40,377
their ceo is making that much

4924
02:31:40,377 --> 02:31:42,414
money, but they can't invest

4925
02:31:42,414 --> 02:31:44,282
the money to make sure that

4926
02:31:44,282 --> 02:31:47,510
our people have stable strong,

4927
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:49,451
reliable service. It's a

4928
02:31:50,486 --> 02:31:53,624
travesty. And we all know at

4929
02:31:53,624 --> 02:31:54,624
least. Me and my comrades, I

4930
02:31:54,624 --> 02:31:57,361
know that the reason for that,

4931
02:31:57,361 --> 02:31:58,610
it's because it is based on a

4932
02:31:58,610 --> 02:32:00,965
profit. Motive is a for-profit

4933
02:32:00,965 --> 02:32:02,965
organization managing our

4934
02:32:05,102 --> 02:32:06,837
utilities.

4935
02:32:06,837 --> 02:32:07,638
You can you can't have. Sorry.

4936
02:32:07,638 --> 02:32:10,941
I got tripped up there a little

4937
02:32:10,941 --> 02:32:12,443
bit. You can't have a profit

4938
02:32:12,443 --> 02:32:14,443
motive.

4939
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:15,646
Company that also working for

4940
02:32:15,646 --> 02:32:18,248
the actual interest of the

4941
02:32:18,248 --> 02:32:20,216
people because that's they're

4942
02:32:20,216 --> 02:32:22,286
just not compatible. We need to

4943
02:32:22,286 --> 02:32:23,953
take control of our public

4944
02:32:23,953 --> 02:32:25,456
utilities and not just power,

4945
02:32:25,456 --> 02:32:27,856
water, Internet sewer systems,

4946
02:32:28,580 --> 02:32:31,361
trash, all of that. This is

4947
02:32:31,361 --> 02:32:32,863
just the first step. It's white

4948
02:32:32,863 --> 02:32:34,665
or g today that.

4949
02:32:34,665 --> 02:32:35,231
Was bill, the organization that

4950
02:32:35,231 --> 02:32:36,467
actually works on our

4951
02:32:36,467 --> 02:32:38,467
infrastructure and actually

4952
02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:42,770
built a system that works.

4953
02:32:42,973 --> 02:32:44,973
Next up is.

4954
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:51,848
Was that an ok after that would

4955
02:32:51,848 --> 02:32:53,848
be Jason?

4956
02:32:55,152 --> 02:32:58,752
And after that would be Sarah.

4957
02:33:08,499 --> 02:33:10,899
Darling. That possible k.

4958
02:33:11,669 --> 02:33:13,669
Of Sarah rolling.

4959
02:33:16,874 --> 02:33:18,874
Is Ophelia Lehman.

4960
02:33:19,109 --> 02:33:21,109
25. 0, 5 North Frederick.

4961
02:33:21,912 --> 02:33:22,613
We get no requirement that you

4962
02:33:22,613 --> 02:33:25,516
use 2 minutes. We're trying to

4963
02:33:25,516 --> 02:33:27,516
get everybody accommodated

4964
02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:28,651
there.

4965
02:33:28,651 --> 02:33:30,870
Hello. Hello. My name is

4966
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:31,955
Ophelia. I'm a student at the

4967
02:33:31,955 --> 02:33:32,856
university, Wisconsin,

4968
02:33:32,856 --> 02:33:34,725
Milwaukee and also a proud

4969
02:33:34,725 --> 02:33:35,459
member of the youth wing of the

4970
02:33:35,459 --> 02:33:37,459
Milwaukee Democratic Socialism.

4971
02:33:40,630 --> 02:33:42,499
Erica, clapping out required

4972
02:33:42,499 --> 02:33:46,699
I wanted to talk a little bit

4973
02:33:47,303 --> 02:33:48,472
more about the student impacts

4974
02:33:48,472 --> 02:33:51,775
of we energies, but not over

4975
02:33:51,775 --> 02:33:54,577
over the power in the city.

4976
02:33:54,577 --> 02:33:56,577
Waukee

4977
02:33:58,649 --> 02:34:01,584
the enrollment rates at Uwm

4978
02:34:01,584 --> 02:34:02,286
are continuously and currently

4979
02:34:02,286 --> 02:34:03,200
and more importantly and more

4980
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:05,689
rapidly. The rates of black and

4981
02:34:05,689 --> 02:34:08,890
brown enrollment are putting

4982
02:34:08,458 --> 02:34:11,894
as well. Uwm is an important,

4983
02:34:11,894 --> 02:34:13,430
very important pillar of the

4984
02:34:13,430 --> 02:34:14,198
Milwaukee community.

4985
02:34:14,198 --> 02:34:17,798
That's where we get, you know,

4986
02:34:20,370 --> 02:34:22,390
a lot of our party just for

4987
02:34:22,390 --> 02:34:23,574
MPs, for instance, or

4988
02:34:23,574 --> 02:34:27,174
our doctors or many other jobs

4989
02:34:27,578 --> 02:34:29,146
that you see in the city of

4990
02:34:29,146 --> 02:34:31,281
Milwaukee walking needs uw

4991
02:34:31,281 --> 02:34:34,281
Milwaukee and you have needs

4992
02:34:34,585 --> 02:34:36,985
Milwaukee with the increasing.

4993
02:34:39,857 --> 02:34:40,624
Greatly increasing. We energy

4994
02:34:40,624 --> 02:34:41,357
power bills and increasing over

4995
02:34:41,357 --> 02:34:44,662
the years. And as I experienced

4996
02:34:44,662 --> 02:34:46,563
while working on the part of

4997
02:34:46,563 --> 02:34:48,465
people campaign

4998
02:34:48,465 --> 02:34:51,100
have a lot of students out of

4999
02:34:51,100 --> 02:34:51,669
going to uw Milwaukee, which

5000
02:34:51,669 --> 02:34:55,720
is supposed to be one of the

5001
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:56,639
more affordable schools in the

5002
02:34:56,639 --> 02:34:58,409
in the system

5003
02:34:58,409 --> 02:35:01,145
contributing to this, you know,

5004
02:35:01,145 --> 02:35:03,145
greatly greatly decreasing

5005
02:35:04,449 --> 02:35:05,149
enrollment rate and I think now

5006
02:35:05,149 --> 02:35:05,816
more

5007
02:35:05,816 --> 02:35:08,185
than ever, it's what has the

5008
02:35:08,185 --> 02:35:08,852
time to Institute of Public

5009
02:35:08,852 --> 02:35:11,200
Utility to lower those rates

5010
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:14,620
for not just to give students

5011
02:35:16,930 --> 02:35:17,394
citizens all across the city

5012
02:35:17,394 --> 02:35:19,394
of Milwaukee as

5013
02:35:20,698 --> 02:35:23,698
no fight to live affordably

5014
02:35:23,934 --> 02:35:24,667
that's not even to mention the

5015
02:35:24,667 --> 02:35:27,538
climate crisis that we energies

5016
02:35:27,538 --> 02:35:29,938
is not taking appropriate

5017
02:35:30,841 --> 02:35:33,841
action to thank you out.

5018
02:35:38,820 --> 02:35:39,482
Hello, I'm Sarah Darling.

5019
02:35:39,482 --> 02:35:40,150
I am here we energies

5020
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:42,486
customers, single mother and

5021
02:35:42,486 --> 02:35:44,488
community advocate and someone

5022
02:35:44,488 --> 02:35:45,255
who aspires to live in

5023
02:35:45,255 --> 02:35:46,757
Milwaukee. The reason why it

5024
02:35:46,757 --> 02:35:47,323
can't just because a high rent,

5025
02:35:47,323 --> 02:35:49,326
which is a whole other

5026
02:35:49,326 --> 02:35:52,326
discussion. But I'd want to

5027
02:35:53,364 --> 02:35:54,980
just say that I'm very thankful

5028
02:35:54,980 --> 02:35:54,831
to you for having this

5029
02:35:54,831 --> 02:35:56,834
discussion and considering this

5030
02:35:56,834 --> 02:35:59,234
because it's really very

5031
02:36:00,771 --> 02:36:01,739
important and long overdue.

5032
02:36:01,739 --> 02:36:02,805
I'm also happy to see your

5033
02:36:02,805 --> 02:36:03,674
continued commitment to safety

5034
02:36:03,674 --> 02:36:05,876
and protection for your

5035
02:36:05,876 --> 02:36:06,944
community. The first time I

5036
02:36:06,944 --> 02:36:09,944
spoke here was in 2015 about

5037
02:36:10,881 --> 02:36:13,160
the oil trains with you yet.

5038
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:13,984
So keeper move in. I just want

5039
02:36:13,984 --> 02:36:15,986
to say a few things. I think

5040
02:36:15,986 --> 02:36:17,888
it's 2 plus 2 equals 4. That

5041
02:36:17,888 --> 02:36:18,589
the only reason why renewable

5042
02:36:18,589 --> 02:36:19,290
energy isn't further advanced

5043
02:36:19,290 --> 02:36:21,994
is because simply oil and gas

5044
02:36:21,994 --> 02:36:23,927
and utility companies don't

5045
02:36:23,927 --> 02:36:24,827
want it.

5046
02:36:24,827 --> 02:36:27,164
I work with a woman from 3rd

5047
02:36:27,164 --> 02:36:30,164
act. Wisconsin. Who does solar

5048
02:36:30,301 --> 02:36:32,350
tours of her home in Madison.

5049
02:36:32,350 --> 02:36:35,635
And she said that one summer

5050
02:36:35,939 --> 02:36:38,108
and JULY her utility bill was

5051
02:36:38,108 --> 02:36:39,750
-13 dollars. So your community

5052
02:36:39,750 --> 02:36:41,475
solar programs, public power

5053
02:36:42,111 --> 02:36:43,470
programs, they do rooftop

5054
02:36:43,470 --> 02:36:44,682
solar. It does work. The

5055
02:36:44,682 --> 02:36:45,315
utility companies just simply

5056
02:36:45,315 --> 02:36:48,315
don't want that because it

5057
02:36:48,985 --> 02:36:50,854
doesn't align with their profit

5058
02:36:50,854 --> 02:36:53,190
driven incentives. So now that

5059
02:36:53,190 --> 02:36:53,891
we have that out of the way,

5060
02:36:53,891 --> 02:36:57,491
I've also spoken at recent psc

5061
02:36:57,795 --> 02:36:58,929
hearings about we energies rate

5062
02:36:58,929 --> 02:36:59,797
increase cases. It's very easy.

5063
02:36:59,797 --> 02:37:00,898
If you just want to do the math

5064
02:37:00,898 --> 02:37:02,800
over what you've been paying

5065
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:04,902
your bills over the last few

5066
02:37:04,902 --> 02:37:06,770
years, they have done 3 rate

5067
02:37:06,770 --> 02:37:08,405
increases in 3 years in a row.

5068
02:37:08,405 --> 02:37:09,380
And then you look at the

5069
02:37:09,380 --> 02:37:12,380
profits of we energies and

5070
02:37:13,420 --> 02:37:15,442
their executives in tandem.

5071
02:37:17,848 --> 02:37:18,582
And you can see. That. You

5072
02:37:18,582 --> 02:37:20,985
know, do the math and it's just

5073
02:37:20,985 --> 02:37:21,719
obvious that they are looking

5074
02:37:21,719 --> 02:37:22,419
out for us and that they really

5075
02:37:22,419 --> 02:37:25,322
don't care about powering our

5076
02:37:25,322 --> 02:37:26,356
world shutting off people's

5077
02:37:26,356 --> 02:37:26,991
powers, inhumane.

5078
02:37:26,991 --> 02:37:30,591
And I have yes, thank you.

5079
02:37:32,696 --> 02:37:33,697
And I've I've helped to

5080
02:37:33,697 --> 02:37:34,766
support. The energy burden

5081
02:37:34,766 --> 02:37:37,601
movement here. I want to thank

5082
02:37:37,601 --> 02:37:38,269
Brian with the Web. If you

5083
02:37:38,269 --> 02:37:39,703
notice my fantastic with no

5084
02:37:39,703 --> 02:37:40,371
look here, they're doing really

5085
02:37:40,371 --> 02:37:43,674
wonderful work. I are. And I

5086
02:37:43,674 --> 02:37:44,340
urge all of you to continue

5087
02:37:44,340 --> 02:37:46,740
supporting them. And please,

5088
02:37:47,277 --> 02:37:50,277
let's do the right thing.

5089
02:37:52,349 --> 02:37:54,749
Keep this moving. Okay.

5090
02:37:56,220 --> 02:37:56,854
Under a hail after that.

5091
02:37:56,854 --> 02:37:59,254
Allison. Talk with police.

5092
02:37:59,790 --> 02:38:02,790
And after that, Ian Huntley.

5093
02:38:09,633 --> 02:38:12,633
All right, everybody. My name

5094
02:38:13,304 --> 02:38:13,936
is Andre hail of I am or was

5095
02:38:13,936 --> 02:38:15,239
one of the lead canvassers

5096
02:38:15,239 --> 02:38:17,308
leads of the field organizers

5097
02:38:17,308 --> 02:38:18,410
for the power to the people

5098
02:38:18,410 --> 02:38:21,145
campaign. I've let a ton of the

5099
02:38:21,145 --> 02:38:23,347
canvas is a lot of people in

5100
02:38:23,347 --> 02:38:24,480
this room have come to a canvas

5101
02:38:24,480 --> 02:38:24,715
that I have led. And I really

5102
02:38:24,715 --> 02:38:27,484
appreciate all the work and

5103
02:38:27,484 --> 02:38:28,152
support the development doing

5104
02:38:28,152 --> 02:38:31,255
for this campaign. Now I am

5105
02:38:31,255 --> 02:38:33,189
the communications officer for

5106
02:38:33,189 --> 02:38:34,925
Milwaukee dsa.

5107
02:38:34,925 --> 02:38:35,592
And of but I kind of want to

5108
02:38:35,592 --> 02:38:39,192
talk about of before all of

5109
02:38:39,596 --> 02:38:40,263
that. I moved here with my wife

5110
02:38:40,263 --> 02:38:40,965
and my son like 3 years ago.

5111
02:38:40,965 --> 02:38:42,866
And one of the things we first

5112
02:38:42,866 --> 02:38:46,466
noticed was how high the bills

5113
02:38:48,539 --> 02:38:49,206
where? And in Arkansas where

5114
02:38:49,206 --> 02:38:49,907
I'm from, we had everything.

5115
02:38:49,907 --> 02:38:52,307
Bundle together, sewer, water,

5116
02:38:52,443 --> 02:38:53,143
electricity, internet, all of

5117
02:38:53,143 --> 02:38:55,143
that together.

5118
02:38:56,280 --> 02:38:56,947
And that cost me about $1000 a

5119
02:38:56,947 --> 02:38:59,917
month for we energies alone.

5120
02:38:59,917 --> 02:39:00,718
My bill that usually comes out

5121
02:39:00,718 --> 02:39:01,384
to about 1000 or 1100 a month.

5122
02:39:01,384 --> 02:39:05,584
So and that's just for my my

5123
02:39:07,324 --> 02:39:07,925
tiny little house in

5124
02:39:07,925 --> 02:39:08,825
Greenfield. So like this

5125
02:39:08,825 --> 02:39:09,493
campaign is one of the first

5126
02:39:09,493 --> 02:39:12,396
things that I latched on to

5127
02:39:12,396 --> 02:39:14,796
immediately when moving here.

5128
02:39:16,600 --> 02:39:21,400
And I just want to say that the

5129
02:39:22,740 --> 02:39:23,240
the ability to get this done

5130
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:25,640
is there. We have

5131
02:39:26,543 --> 02:39:29,543
legal work all outlined with

5132
02:39:29,781 --> 02:39:31,781
Chapter one. 97.

5133
02:39:31,948 --> 02:39:35,548
There's a huge amount of people

5134
02:39:35,986 --> 02:39:38,689
here who support this campaign

5135
02:39:38,689 --> 02:39:39,389
and of them. Honestly, we just

5136
02:39:39,389 --> 02:39:43,589
need the will power to do it.

5137
02:39:45,896 --> 02:39:47,898
Similarly to in New York City

5138
02:39:47,898 --> 02:39:48,866
with Dani. He was able to pass

5139
02:39:48,866 --> 02:39:49,999
of free childcare for 2

5140
02:39:49,999 --> 02:39:51,902
year-olds as well as completely

5141
02:39:51,902 --> 02:39:53,404
balance the budget without

5142
02:39:53,404 --> 02:39:56,240
raising any property taxes or

5143
02:39:56,240 --> 02:39:57,373
digging into any rainy day

5144
02:39:57,373 --> 02:39:59,900
funds. The money is there.

5145
02:39:59,900 --> 02:40:01,845
The model is there for how to

5146
02:40:01,845 --> 02:40:02,846
do this. We just have to have

5147
02:40:02,846 --> 02:40:03,713
the will power to do it.

5148
02:40:03,713 --> 02:40:06,984
And I just want to say the

5149
02:40:06,984 --> 02:40:09,984
people United will never be

5150
02:40:10,288 --> 02:40:12,688
defeated. Let's do this.

5151
02:40:18,729 --> 02:40:21,310
Well, listen, I was.

5152
02:40:21,310 --> 02:40:24,310
Good morning or good afternoon.

5153
02:40:24,335 --> 02:40:25,769
My name's housing. Hope that

5154
02:40:25,769 --> 02:40:27,769
I'm an organizer.

5155
02:40:29,139 --> 02:40:30,400
I was an organizer with the aft

5156
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:32,400
local 2 to 3 Madison.

5157
02:40:34,144 --> 02:40:37,448
Coal unions. Now I'm I'm back

5158
02:40:37,448 --> 02:40:39,182
to Milwaukee. I'm a educator

5159
02:40:39,182 --> 02:40:39,883
in Milwaukee.

5160
02:40:39,883 --> 02:40:43,483
Public schools and a member of

5161
02:40:44,655 --> 02:40:47,993
mta. Now that I am eligible

5162
02:40:47,993 --> 02:40:48,691
so gay unions, but I'm here

5163
02:40:48,691 --> 02:40:50,362
as an educator, many years of

5164
02:40:50,362 --> 02:40:52,562
experience in an advanced

5165
02:40:52,562 --> 02:40:55,562
degree in leadership. Just to

5166
02:40:55,899 --> 02:40:58,299
remind everybody about the

5167
02:40:59,504 --> 02:41:01,372
importance of like buying and

5168
02:41:01,372 --> 02:41:02,272
stakeholder relations and that

5169
02:41:02,272 --> 02:41:02,973
to some this might seem like

5170
02:41:02,973 --> 02:41:05,973
this is a harebrained idea.

5171
02:41:06,944 --> 02:41:09,213
Like what are these like crazy

5172
02:41:09,213 --> 02:41:11,280
kids and their socialism

5173
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:11,916
but this is a good idea that

5174
02:41:11,916 --> 02:41:12,549
the future is now like the

5175
02:41:12,549 --> 02:41:13,216
climate crisis is already

5176
02:41:13,216 --> 02:41:16,216
happening right now. We have

5177
02:41:16,221 --> 02:41:16,920
refugees from the West Coast in

5178
02:41:16,920 --> 02:41:20,520
the East Coast coming to fresh

5179
02:41:21,250 --> 02:41:24,250
water, Great Lakes regions for

5180
02:41:26,130 --> 02:41:26,864
a reason. And we should protect

5181
02:41:26,864 --> 02:41:28,165
that. So from my perspective as

5182
02:41:28,165 --> 02:41:31,165
it from the perspective, like

5183
02:41:31,468 --> 02:41:32,402
strategic thinking and like

5184
02:41:32,402 --> 02:41:33,470
systems thinking.

5185
02:41:33,470 --> 02:41:36,173
Think about it like it's it

5186
02:41:36,173 --> 02:41:37,975
makes sense. It's not. It's

5187
02:41:37,975 --> 02:41:40,975
not crazy. It's logical and

5188
02:41:43,120 --> 02:41:44,140
it's needed. And it's the right

5189
02:41:44,140 --> 02:41:44,682
thing to do. So follow

5190
02:41:44,682 --> 02:41:45,849
your hearts. But think about

5191
02:41:45,849 --> 02:41:49,153
like why this is a good idea

5192
02:41:49,153 --> 02:41:52,153
because it really, truly is

5193
02:41:59,763 --> 02:42:00,697
many is in doubt Resident of

5194
02:42:00,697 --> 02:42:02,799
the River, West neighborhood

5195
02:42:02,799 --> 02:42:03,734
and an officer with walking tsa

5196
02:42:03,734 --> 02:42:04,802
labor working group. And today

5197
02:42:04,802 --> 02:42:05,536
as PRESIDENT Of my Union

5198
02:42:05,536 --> 02:42:06,202
speaking on behalf of the

5199
02:42:06,202 --> 02:42:08,602
American Federation of State

5200
02:42:10,700 --> 02:42:10,941
County and Municipal Employees,

5201
02:42:10,941 --> 02:42:11,874
local 47. We represent the city

5202
02:42:11,874 --> 02:42:13,430
of Milwaukee workers in the

5203
02:42:13,430 --> 02:42:14,120
departments of Neighborhood

5204
02:42:14,120 --> 02:42:15,946
Services, City Development,

5205
02:42:15,946 --> 02:42:16,547
the assessor's office and the

5206
02:42:16,547 --> 02:42:17,214
Milwaukee Water works or

5207
02:42:17,214 --> 02:42:19,614
publicly owned water utility

5208
02:42:19,749 --> 02:42:21,185
work. I work as an electrical

5209
02:42:21,185 --> 02:42:22,486
engineer.

5210
02:42:22,486 --> 02:42:22,920
Last month or union membership.

5211
02:42:22,920 --> 02:42:22,998
After have d#

5212
02:42:22,998 --> 02:42:23,800
#

5213
02:42:23,800 --> 02:42:23,319
#

5214
02:42:23,319 --> 02:42:24,355
consideration

5215
02:42:24,355 --> 02:42:26,755
decided unanimously to endorse

5216
02:42:27,390 --> 02:42:29,930
a part of the people campaign.

5217
02:42:29,930 --> 02:42:29,727
Our members want a public

5218
02:42:29,727 --> 02:42:30,361
energy utility because as

5219
02:42:30,361 --> 02:42:32,620
public utility workers, we

5220
02:42:32,620 --> 02:42:33,764
carry our love for the city

5221
02:42:33,764 --> 02:42:34,430
every day and are more than

5222
02:42:34,430 --> 02:42:37,430
capable of handling the task

5223
02:42:37,735 --> 02:42:38,736
competently efficiently

5224
02:42:38,736 --> 02:42:40,104
sustainably and reliably.

5225
02:42:40,104 --> 02:42:40,738
I want to highlight that there

5226
02:42:40,738 --> 02:42:43,207
was a time when the labor

5227
02:42:43,207 --> 02:42:44,241
movement stood united for

5228
02:42:44,241 --> 02:42:45,108
what's best in our city.

5229
02:42:45,108 --> 02:42:47,211
They formed a political

5230
02:42:47,211 --> 02:42:47,845
movement that we now know of a

5231
02:42:47,845 --> 02:42:48,579
summer social us the sewer

5232
02:42:48,579 --> 02:42:49,179
socialist turned our government

5233
02:42:49,179 --> 02:42:51,579
into a leading powerful

5234
02:42:51,815 --> 02:42:52,483
operation that deeply

5235
02:42:52,483 --> 02:42:54,952
considered the wait of every

5236
02:42:54,952 --> 02:42:55,619
single tax dollar to get the

5237
02:42:55,619 --> 02:42:56,287
most for our residents, the

5238
02:42:56,287 --> 02:42:58,287
transformational change that

5239
02:42:58,554 --> 02:42:59,188
they made for city seen in our

5240
02:42:59,188 --> 02:43:01,188
parks and infrastructure.

5241
02:43:01,525 --> 02:43:03,394
That infrastructure MAY be in a

5242
02:43:03,394 --> 02:43:05,496
rough state today due to the

5243
02:43:05,496 --> 02:43:06,195
new liberal and Republican

5244
02:43:06,195 --> 02:43:06,897
cutbacks. But the fact that it

5245
02:43:06,897 --> 02:43:08,599
has lasted over 100 years as a

5246
02:43:08,599 --> 02:43:10,734
testament to the ambition of

5247
02:43:10,734 --> 02:43:12,603
their vision for Milwaukee.

5248
02:43:12,603 --> 02:43:14,705
We can and I believe we will

5249
02:43:14,705 --> 02:43:16,707
rise again to make that happen

5250
02:43:16,707 --> 02:43:17,740
so that every person prospers,

5251
02:43:17,740 --> 02:43:19,610
including Oliver ibew, Union

5252
02:43:19,610 --> 02:43:21,711
siblings, we deserve addressed

5253
02:43:21,711 --> 02:43:22,680
and trans equitable transition

5254
02:43:22,680 --> 02:43:24,882
to keep all they fought for in

5255
02:43:24,882 --> 02:43:26,717
their contracts and more

5256
02:43:26,717 --> 02:43:27,718
including the status in the

5257
02:43:27,718 --> 02:43:28,419
union. That is possible because

5258
02:43:28,419 --> 02:43:31,255
as a democracy, we can make it

5259
02:43:31,255 --> 02:43:33,123
happen. We want what's best for

5260
02:43:33,123 --> 02:43:34,125
all workers and not one step

5261
02:43:34,125 --> 02:43:35,192
back. And I reclaimed the word

5262
02:43:35,192 --> 02:43:38,792
we from we energies because it

5263
02:43:39,630 --> 02:43:39,829
will take all of us to stand up

5264
02:43:39,829 --> 02:43:40,563
against this injustice. We need

5265
02:43:40,563 --> 02:43:43,563
every person viewing this to

5266
02:43:43,967 --> 02:43:44,702
talk to your coworkers about

5267
02:43:44,702 --> 02:43:45,369
forming or joining a union user

5268
02:43:45,369 --> 02:43:47,370
labor power to stand up for

5269
02:43:47,370 --> 02:43:48,720
what's right and our politics

5270
02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:50,740
and our economy. That is where

5271
02:43:50,740 --> 02:43:53,740
our people's power truly fights

5272
02:43:53,377 --> 02:43:56,377
and wins. Thank you, Soledad.

5273
02:44:05,521 --> 02:44:07,521
Adam Otis.

5274
02:44:08,826 --> 02:44:10,428
Excellent. And after that, Joel

5275
02:44:10,428 --> 02:44:12,428
Cole, I believe.

5276
02:44:13,731 --> 02:44:14,965
24 East Chambers. And after

5277
02:44:14,965 --> 02:44:16,965
and a slur.

5278
02:44:17,340 --> 02:44:17,735
Hi, my name is Rita Manteo to

5279
02:44:17,735 --> 02:44:18,335
some a Milwaukee resident and

5280
02:44:18,335 --> 02:44:20,104
also I'm with the great

5281
02:44:20,104 --> 02:44:20,738
Milwaukee Green Party, which is

5282
02:44:20,738 --> 02:44:23,540
a coalition partner on the

5283
02:44:23,540 --> 02:44:24,208
power to the people campaign.

5284
02:44:24,208 --> 02:44:24,874
And we've helped gather the

5285
02:44:24,874 --> 02:44:25,475
petitions, the thousands of

5286
02:44:25,475 --> 02:44:27,410
petitions that have been

5287
02:44:27,410 --> 02:44:29,513
delivered to the Common

5288
02:44:29,513 --> 02:44:31,448
Council. And I'm so excited

5289
02:44:31,448 --> 02:44:34,448
that this is happening today.

5290
02:44:35,118 --> 02:44:36,186
I wanted to say that one of our

5291
02:44:36,186 --> 02:44:36,854
late members, Bruce Hank, for

5292
02:44:36,854 --> 02:44:41,540
us lived in a column a walk

5293
02:44:41,558 --> 02:44:44,558
which has a public utility.

5294
02:44:45,362 --> 02:44:47,970
And I they are members of wpp.

5295
02:44:47,970 --> 02:44:48,966
I which buys eu which buys

5296
02:44:48,966 --> 02:44:50,535
power through competitive

5297
02:44:50,535 --> 02:44:52,702
pricing and his wife, Karen,

5298
02:44:52,702 --> 02:44:54,305
who was an engineer. She's a

5299
02:44:54,305 --> 02:44:56,705
retired engineer from we

5300
02:44:57,374 --> 02:44:58,750
energies. She said that

5301
02:44:58,750 --> 02:45:00,475
Oconomowoc gets better rates.

5302
02:45:00,911 --> 02:45:04,113
Then residents of the city of

5303
02:45:04,113 --> 02:45:05,182
Milwaukee. Just being part of

5304
02:45:05,182 --> 02:45:05,949
that public utility

5305
02:45:05,949 --> 02:45:07,885
collaborative. Also, I wanted

5306
02:45:07,885 --> 02:45:09,186
to say that when I woke up this

5307
02:45:09,186 --> 02:45:11,889
morning and turn on the radio,

5308
02:45:11,889 --> 02:45:14,889
wtmj was laughing about this

5309
02:45:15,192 --> 02:45:15,859
very hearing making jokes about

5310
02:45:15,859 --> 02:45:19,563
how silly this is and how is

5311
02:45:19,563 --> 02:45:21,131
never work. It's just going to

5312
02:45:21,131 --> 02:45:21,798
be too expensive. They didn't

5313
02:45:21,798 --> 02:45:24,600
mention that. You know, when

5314
02:45:24,600 --> 02:45:27,000
they're rolling blackouts in

5315
02:45:27,839 --> 02:45:29,707
California. Guess what? City

5316
02:45:29,707 --> 02:45:32,107
didn't have any problem.

5317
02:45:32,744 --> 02:45:33,377
La because they had a public

5318
02:45:33,377 --> 02:45:35,579
utility. So there are 2200

5319
02:45:35,579 --> 02:45:36,312
public utilities in communities

5320
02:45:36,312 --> 02:45:39,182
around this country. And I hope

5321
02:45:39,182 --> 02:45:42,353
the Milwaukee be will be next.

5322
02:45:42,353 --> 02:45:44,353
Thank you.

5323
02:45:47,724 --> 02:45:50,260
Let everyone on this board.

5324
02:45:50,260 --> 02:45:52,960
My name is Joe Cole and I live

5325
02:45:52,960 --> 02:45:54,496
here in Milwaukee, climate

5326
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:57,340
activists and artists. The site

5327
02:45:57,340 --> 02:45:58,968
is to be public. Utilities were

5328
02:45:58,968 --> 02:45:59,703
invented in this country nearly

5329
02:45:59,703 --> 02:46:02,372
150 years ago to bring reliable

5330
02:46:02,372 --> 02:46:03,700
affordable services to the

5331
02:46:03,700 --> 02:46:05,407
people in their community.

5332
02:46:05,943 --> 02:46:06,377
A key provision was to prevent

5333
02:46:06,377 --> 02:46:08,377
price gouging.

5334
02:46:10,148 --> 02:46:10,814
At its best public powers, not

5335
02:46:10,814 --> 02:46:13,784
for profit at its best. It's

5336
02:46:13,784 --> 02:46:14,451
local people working together

5337
02:46:14,451 --> 02:46:16,353
to meet local needs. We are

5338
02:46:16,353 --> 02:46:18,389
not at her best with we

5339
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:20,391
energies. They have shown that

5340
02:46:20,391 --> 02:46:21,325
they're motivated by profit,

5341
02:46:21,325 --> 02:46:23,920
not by their customers and

5342
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:23,761
certainly not their customers,

5343
02:46:23,761 --> 02:46:26,161
financial health or physical

5344
02:46:26,963 --> 02:46:27,665
health. And that is because

5345
02:46:27,665 --> 02:46:30,000
they are for profit motivated

5346
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:30,800
by creating share value for

5347
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:31,535
the shareholders. They are no

5348
02:46:31,535 --> 02:46:33,935
longer the public utility.

5349
02:46:35,873 --> 02:46:37,940
They were founded as in 18 96.

5350
02:46:37,940 --> 02:46:38,909
People across the city are

5351
02:46:38,909 --> 02:46:39,843
struggling. Everything is more

5352
02:46:39,843 --> 02:46:42,843
expensive. This is a big

5353
02:46:43,147 --> 02:46:45,547
opportunity to bring some

5354
02:46:46,450 --> 02:46:48,850
needed relief to everyone.

5355
02:46:53,490 --> 02:46:56,293
Hello, my name is Amanda

5356
02:46:56,293 --> 02:46:57,561
Eisler. I bought a duplex in

5357
02:46:57,561 --> 02:46:58,295
Riverwest 8 years ago. And at

5358
02:46:58,295 --> 02:47:01,598
that time I could afford all of

5359
02:47:01,598 --> 02:47:03,600
my bills on my own without a

5360
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:05,569
tenant.

5361
02:47:05,569 --> 02:47:06,236
I live in one unit and rent the

5362
02:47:06,236 --> 02:47:06,837
other as a landlord, I'm now

5363
02:47:06,837 --> 02:47:09,340
forced to raise the rent

5364
02:47:09,340 --> 02:47:10,140
substantially to be able to

5365
02:47:10,140 --> 02:47:13,740
cover all my bills. I cannot

5366
02:47:14,211 --> 02:47:16,611
afford my bills anymore.

5367
02:47:17,181 --> 02:47:17,982
Otherwise. Reason being is when

5368
02:47:17,982 --> 02:47:20,684
I moved in 8 years ago, my we

5369
02:47:20,684 --> 02:47:23,684
energies Bill was to 202 to

5370
02:47:24,521 --> 02:47:25,756
50 per month and water was $30

5371
02:47:25,756 --> 02:47:29,356
a month. Now we energies is

5372
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:30,461
over $400 a month and water

5373
02:47:30,461 --> 02:47:32,929
is $100 a month. I've concern

5374
02:47:32,929 --> 02:47:33,631
I've confirmed multiple times

5375
02:47:33,631 --> 02:47:36,532
with we energies that my usage

5376
02:47:36,532 --> 02:47:38,932
is accurate with inspections.

5377
02:47:39,690 --> 02:47:40,938
If I'm in the middle class

5378
02:47:40,938 --> 02:47:42,840
struggling, I can't imagine how

5379
02:47:42,840 --> 02:47:43,406
much lower classes are

5380
02:47:43,406 --> 02:47:45,406
struggling, especially

5381
02:47:46,677 --> 02:47:48,677
disenfranchised communities.

5382
02:47:49,846 --> 02:47:52,246
Thank you so much.

5383
02:47:55,918 --> 02:47:58,918
After David. It'll be Jim

5384
02:48:01,925 --> 02:48:05,525
Harris. And after that time has

5385
02:48:12,836 --> 02:48:15,236
David MAY have left.

5386
02:48:15,606 --> 02:48:17,308
Good afternoon, I think is is

5387
02:48:17,308 --> 02:48:20,644
about what time is it? Take

5388
02:48:20,644 --> 02:48:24,810
this, which we energy back to

5389
02:48:24,810 --> 02:48:26,810
Wisconsin electorate.

5390
02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:28,552
We need to cheat kids in high

5391
02:48:28,552 --> 02:48:31,455
school to take over energy

5392
02:48:31,455 --> 02:48:33,455
efficiency of Wisconsin.

5393
02:48:35,392 --> 02:48:38,162
Number one. This is a park

5394
02:48:38,162 --> 02:48:38,862
crime. It like Alaska and can

5395
02:48:38,862 --> 02:48:41,862
which we energy overlooked by

5396
02:48:45,602 --> 02:48:46,669
Perry being Pirates put energy.

5397
02:48:46,669 --> 02:48:49,772
They took away 2 bills that was

5398
02:48:49,772 --> 02:48:52,142
separate and putting together

5399
02:48:52,142 --> 02:48:52,843
to make more and with a look of

5400
02:48:52,843 --> 02:48:53,509
suffering for your energy use

5401
02:48:53,509 --> 02:48:57,109
to be able to peek, believe

5402
02:48:57,982 --> 02:49:00,818
your lights on or he hate took

5403
02:49:00,818 --> 02:49:01,652
that away. We have been

5404
02:49:01,652 --> 02:49:04,520
practicing on climate areas

5405
02:49:05,855 --> 02:49:06,523
that need substantial energy

5406
02:49:06,523 --> 02:49:09,325
and prey on. There should be

5407
02:49:09,325 --> 02:49:11,929
all that we issue should be

5408
02:49:11,929 --> 02:49:14,598
owned by the public. Okay.

5409
02:49:14,598 --> 02:49:18,198
We should have more. Then one

5410
02:49:19,971 --> 02:49:22,371
in efficiency provider. For

5411
02:49:25,750 --> 02:49:26,478
backup. And also. There should

5412
02:49:26,478 --> 02:49:30,678
be a task to look into research

5413
02:49:30,880 --> 02:49:32,349
by this been a cold climate.

5414
02:49:32,349 --> 02:49:34,349
They each home

5415
02:49:34,584 --> 02:49:38,184
should have a generator by this

5416
02:49:38,288 --> 02:49:38,588
climate being as it is because

5417
02:49:38,588 --> 02:49:38,657
if d#

5418
02:49:38,657 --> 02:49:38,724
#

5419
02:49:38,724 --> 02:49:39,556
#

5420
02:49:39,556 --> 02:49:40,691
we energies shes now,

5421
02:49:40,691 --> 02:49:43,594
how many people are being

5422
02:49:43,594 --> 02:49:45,994
counted? This becoming sick

5423
02:49:47,598 --> 02:49:49,667
or die from these issues here

5424
02:49:49,667 --> 02:49:52,670
in Wisconsin and Alaska.

5425
02:49:53,605 --> 02:49:54,238
They pay all the residents of

5426
02:49:54,238 --> 02:49:54,937
$1000 to 2000. I was just

5427
02:49:54,937 --> 02:49:57,937
because they respect that they

5428
02:49:58,208 --> 02:50:01,512
have economy is trying to grow

5429
02:50:01,512 --> 02:50:04,214
in a cold climate. We have a

5430
02:50:04,214 --> 02:50:04,848
let pirates come here

5431
02:50:04,848 --> 02:50:06,616
and take elders home where

5432
02:50:06,616 --> 02:50:09,119
their utilities are way higher

5433
02:50:09,119 --> 02:50:11,188
due to a home know this should

5434
02:50:11,188 --> 02:50:14,425
not be no way in the world.

5435
02:50:14,425 --> 02:50:15,125
The utility said because suit

5436
02:50:15,125 --> 02:50:18,125
thousands of dollars over the

5437
02:50:18,295 --> 02:50:19,863
winter time and looking for it

5438
02:50:19,863 --> 02:50:22,263
to happen. Air preseason.

5439
02:50:23,167 --> 02:50:24,701
No. And this give out credit

5440
02:50:24,701 --> 02:50:26,204
for the energy

5441
02:50:26,204 --> 02:50:28,806
is hogwash bars with energy

5442
02:50:28,806 --> 02:50:31,742
assistance now it's only want

5443
02:50:31,742 --> 02:50:33,878
pay all for the winter. That's

5444
02:50:33,878 --> 02:50:36,814
hogwash. We have to get our own

5445
02:50:36,814 --> 02:50:37,848
energy facility to facility

5446
02:50:37,848 --> 02:50:39,882
Ys back in control, where we

5447
02:50:39,882 --> 02:50:42,882
teach kids about this crime.

5448
02:50:43,187 --> 02:50:44,221
A Tory up north in life where

5449
02:50:44,221 --> 02:50:44,955
we don't have

5450
02:50:44,955 --> 02:50:47,825
predator people. Kami from down

5451
02:50:47,825 --> 02:50:50,825
south to the West Classic.

5452
02:50:50,995 --> 02:50:52,995
Thank you.

5453
02:50:57,234 --> 02:51:00,234
Sheskey. I believe after that,

5454
02:51:00,537 --> 02:51:02,537
Tyler.

5455
02:51:03,807 --> 02:51:06,207
Koeppen Coachman. And after

5456
02:51:06,310 --> 02:51:07,544
that, she was Sanchez.

5457
02:51:07,544 --> 02:51:10,581
My name is Tom. Hans Berger, a

5458
02:51:10,581 --> 02:51:12,515
proud resident of Milwaukee

5459
02:51:12,515 --> 02:51:14,585
live down in Bay View and also

5460
02:51:14,585 --> 02:51:15,185
a proud member of the Milwaukee

5461
02:51:15,185 --> 02:51:15,786
Democratic Socialists of

5462
02:51:15,786 --> 02:51:18,786
America. And I have the

5463
02:51:20,490 --> 02:51:22,590
privilege to serve the essay.

5464
02:51:22,590 --> 02:51:22,660
As an organizer working with

5465
02:51:22,660 --> 02:51:25,600
many chapters across the

5466
02:51:25,863 --> 02:51:26,398
Midwest to expand on Zohran

5467
02:51:26,398 --> 02:51:28,398
Mamdani is movement.

5468
02:51:30,199 --> 02:51:31,168
And one thing I wanted to add

5469
02:51:31,168 --> 02:51:32,690
here. In addition to everything

5470
02:51:32,690 --> 02:51:35,669
else that's been said is the

5471
02:51:35,906 --> 02:51:37,307
context in this moment across

5472
02:51:37,307 --> 02:51:40,307
the country. We're seeing new

5473
02:51:40,311 --> 02:51:42,146
technology developing around ai

5474
02:51:42,146 --> 02:51:44,380
electric cars. We're seeing

5475
02:51:44,380 --> 02:51:46,183
data storage flock cameras,

5476
02:51:46,183 --> 02:51:48,151
all of these new technologies,

5477
02:51:48,151 --> 02:51:50,200
the way that they're being

5478
02:51:50,200 --> 02:51:50,821
implemented are currently being

5479
02:51:50,821 --> 02:51:53,821
used to automate workers, jobs

5480
02:51:54,725 --> 02:51:55,425
leading to mass layoffs.

5481
02:51:55,425 --> 02:51:57,528
They're being used to collect

5482
02:51:57,528 --> 02:51:58,395
surveillance data on poor

5483
02:51:58,395 --> 02:52:00,395
communities and marginalized

5484
02:52:03,500 --> 02:52:04,568
communities. They are being

5485
02:52:04,568 --> 02:52:05,269
used to profit and against the

5486
02:52:05,269 --> 02:52:07,669
interests of ordinary citizens

5487
02:52:09,106 --> 02:52:11,506
of ordinary working people.

5488
02:52:11,609 --> 02:52:13,910
What this proposal would do to

5489
02:52:13,910 --> 02:52:14,578
invoke charter one 97 and to

5490
02:52:14,578 --> 02:52:17,578
replace we energies with a

5491
02:52:18,582 --> 02:52:20,451
public utility is to give you

5492
02:52:20,451 --> 02:52:22,185
all the power to push back on

5493
02:52:22,185 --> 02:52:23,587
those bad incentives. What it

5494
02:52:23,587 --> 02:52:26,624
does is it gives us the ability

5495
02:52:26,624 --> 02:52:28,592
as the people of Milwaukee to

5496
02:52:28,592 --> 02:52:29,626
govern ourselves and to prevent

5497
02:52:29,626 --> 02:52:30,427
a lot of those incentives,

5498
02:52:30,427 --> 02:52:31,362
which are also contributing to

5499
02:52:31,362 --> 02:52:33,362
democratic backsliding that

5500
02:52:34,498 --> 02:52:36,332
we've seen with the current

5501
02:52:36,332 --> 02:52:38,203
authoritarian movement in

5502
02:52:38,203 --> 02:52:38,869
Washington, D.C. So it's very

5503
02:52:38,869 --> 02:52:41,472
important for the people of

5504
02:52:41,472 --> 02:52:42,139
Milwaukee and for our ability

5505
02:52:42,139 --> 02:52:43,540
to govern ourselves that we

5506
02:52:43,540 --> 02:52:45,940
make sure these new

5507
02:52:46,377 --> 02:52:47,411
technologies are implemented

5508
02:52:47,411 --> 02:52:50,714
for the people, not for profit

5509
02:52:50,714 --> 02:52:53,714
and to protect our democracy.

5510
02:52:53,884 --> 02:52:55,884
Thank you. Think.

5511
02:53:01,158 --> 02:53:01,725
My name is more. My name is

5512
02:53:01,725 --> 02:53:02,393
Tyler Coachman. I am a

5513
02:53:02,393 --> 02:53:03,127
Wisconsin part and Wisconsin

5514
02:53:03,127 --> 02:53:03,826
bar licensed for practice as an

5515
02:53:03,826 --> 02:53:06,960
attorney and I'm a resident of

5516
02:53:06,960 --> 02:53:08,496
the Kilbourn town neighborhood

5517
02:53:09,199 --> 02:53:10,670
of Milwaukee. And a member of

5518
02:53:10,670 --> 02:53:10,701
the Milwaukee County Young

5519
02:53:10,701 --> 02:53:11,334
Democrats. The group which

5520
02:53:11,334 --> 02:53:11,934
supports the power to the

5521
02:53:11,934 --> 02:53:14,334
people campaign. And I'm

5522
02:53:14,505 --> 02:53:17,505
speaking today in my personal

5523
02:53:17,507 --> 02:53:18,409
capacity.

5524
02:53:18,409 --> 02:53:20,344
As an individual as a pre few

5525
02:53:20,344 --> 02:53:21,120
speaker noted while many here

5526
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:21,613
today are members. There are

5527
02:53:21,613 --> 02:53:24,130
also individuals here to

5528
02:53:24,516 --> 02:53:26,617
support this who are not

5529
02:53:26,617 --> 02:53:27,685
socialists.

5530
02:53:27,685 --> 02:53:28,452
I would like to lend myself as

5531
02:53:28,452 --> 02:53:29,153
a face to that claim. I'm not a

5532
02:53:29,153 --> 02:53:32,560
socialist and I stand shoulder

5533
02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:34,791
to shoulder in support of this

5534
02:53:34,791 --> 02:53:36,260
reform.

5535
02:53:36,260 --> 02:53:36,860
Making our power a public

5536
02:53:36,860 --> 02:53:37,561
utility. Me is a reform well in

5537
02:53:37,561 --> 02:53:40,364
line with the greatest utility

5538
02:53:40,364 --> 02:53:42,599
reforms that were championed by

5539
02:53:42,599 --> 02:53:43,300
20th century progressives, that

5540
02:53:43,300 --> 02:53:46,300
is that progressive era, which

5541
02:53:46,603 --> 02:53:47,571
Wisconsin most boldly lived up

5542
02:53:47,571 --> 02:53:48,505
to its great state's motto

5543
02:53:48,505 --> 02:53:50,674
forward. It's time for

5544
02:53:50,674 --> 02:53:52,442
Milwaukee to reclaim our city's

5545
02:53:52,442 --> 02:53:54,678
tradition as a national leader

5546
02:53:54,678 --> 02:53:55,546
in resident first policy,

5547
02:53:55,546 --> 02:53:56,446
public control over utility

5548
02:53:56,446 --> 02:53:57,114
provides a vehicle for

5549
02:53:57,114 --> 02:53:59,249
government and our citizens

5550
02:53:59,249 --> 02:54:02,686
to address many of the local

5551
02:54:02,686 --> 02:54:03,353
quality of life issues impacted

5552
02:54:03,353 --> 02:54:04,530
by air power utility. I urge

5553
02:54:04,530 --> 02:54:07,323
all there is one the finalized

5554
02:54:07,323 --> 02:54:09,226
version of this appears for of

5555
02:54:09,226 --> 02:54:09,926
up before you deferred to the

5556
02:54:09,926 --> 02:54:11,829
people, allow us our vote in a

5557
02:54:11,829 --> 02:54:14,229
referendum requisite to enable

5558
02:54:15,132 --> 02:54:18,335
the U.S. Trust us. We the

5559
02:54:18,335 --> 02:54:20,335
people of Milwaukee.

5560
02:54:21,839 --> 02:54:22,740
If you have an individual on

5561
02:54:22,740 --> 02:54:24,541
the big board met for Sheskey,

5562
02:54:24,541 --> 02:54:25,242
we didn't forget you. You've

5563
02:54:25,242 --> 02:54:25,843
been patiently waiting for the

5564
02:54:25,843 --> 02:54:28,545
better part of the whole

5565
02:54:28,545 --> 02:54:31,615
meeting. So at the floor is

5566
02:54:31,615 --> 02:54:33,615
yours.

5567
02:54:40,524 --> 02:54:42,524
It yourself.

5568
02:54:46,797 --> 02:54:48,765
We'll get back to Matt. Let's

5569
02:54:48,765 --> 02:54:49,433
go on to issue it. She was

5570
02:54:49,433 --> 02:54:50,301
tensions. Yeah, I think you

5571
02:54:50,301 --> 02:54:52,903
saw I'm sure the Sanchez I live

5572
02:54:52,903 --> 02:54:54,772
in Walker's point and I am a

5573
02:54:54,772 --> 02:54:56,740
member of Milwaukee dsa.

5574
02:54:56,740 --> 02:54:57,408
I want to talk about energy

5575
02:54:57,408 --> 02:55:00,411
sources. So we all know that

5576
02:55:00,411 --> 02:55:02,313
fossil fuels poison the water

5577
02:55:02,313 --> 02:55:04,648
in the air. A study from last

5578
02:55:04,648 --> 02:55:05,215
year says that burning fossil

5579
02:55:05,215 --> 02:55:07,215
fuels leads to 91,000

5580
02:55:08,185 --> 02:55:09,190
additional premature deaths in

5581
02:55:09,190 --> 02:55:10,860
the U.S. Every year over

5582
02:55:10,860 --> 02:55:12,860
200,000 additional cases of

5583
02:55:14,900 --> 02:55:14,758
childhood asthma every year

5584
02:55:14,758 --> 02:55:15,359
in the country. There's one

5585
02:55:15,359 --> 02:55:17,759
study that says actually

5586
02:55:18,796 --> 02:55:21,731
multiple studies that say that

5587
02:55:21,731 --> 02:55:22,333
burning coal releases 100 times

5588
02:55:22,333 --> 02:55:23,567
more radioactivity, then

5589
02:55:23,567 --> 02:55:24,234
nuclear power plants because

5590
02:55:24,234 --> 02:55:24,934
you're digging radioactive

5591
02:55:24,934 --> 02:55:25,669
material out of the earth and

5592
02:55:25,669 --> 02:55:28,906
then you just throw it into the

5593
02:55:28,906 --> 02:55:30,674
air in the water. You don't,

5594
02:55:30,674 --> 02:55:32,609
you know, contain it. And

5595
02:55:32,609 --> 02:55:33,344
that's not to mention the that

5596
02:55:33,344 --> 02:55:35,279
catastrophic impacts of climate

5597
02:55:35,279 --> 02:55:37,380
change caused by greenhouse

5598
02:55:37,380 --> 02:55:38,248
gases from burning fossil

5599
02:55:38,248 --> 02:55:39,160
fuels. So thankfully, in the

5600
02:55:39,160 --> 02:55:42,160
past few decades, there's been

5601
02:55:42,520 --> 02:55:44,880
really enormous advances in

5602
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:45,589
clean energy technology.

5603
02:55:45,589 --> 02:55:46,223
In 2011 for the first time new

5604
02:55:46,223 --> 02:55:48,826
wind farms were cheaper to

5605
02:55:48,826 --> 02:55:50,861
construct the new coal-fired

5606
02:55:50,861 --> 02:55:53,397
power plants in 2013 new solar

5607
02:55:53,397 --> 02:55:56,397
plants were cheaper than coal

5608
02:55:57,335 --> 02:55:58,360
in 2016. Both became cheaper

5609
02:55:58,360 --> 02:55:58,701
natural gas plants. So we have

5610
02:55:58,701 --> 02:56:01,701
the technology. We've had it

5611
02:56:02,171 --> 02:56:03,273
for more than a decade now to

5612
02:56:03,273 --> 02:56:04,375
switch to clean energy. But

5613
02:56:04,375 --> 02:56:06,242
private energy companies have

5614
02:56:06,242 --> 02:56:08,278
not been pursuing this at the

5615
02:56:08,278 --> 02:56:10,214
rate that they they should be.

5616
02:56:10,214 --> 02:56:12,949
So if we look at we energies

5617
02:56:12,949 --> 02:56:15,349
in 2011, we energies announced

5618
02:56:15,886 --> 02:56:17,788
a 30 year extension to creek.

5619
02:56:17,788 --> 02:56:18,455
Coal fired plants. It was

5620
02:56:18,455 --> 02:56:19,123
already clear in 2011. That

5621
02:56:19,123 --> 02:56:22,159
call was not going to be an

5622
02:56:22,159 --> 02:56:24,159
economically viable energy

5623
02:56:24,160 --> 02:56:26,130
source for 30 years. But they

5624
02:56:26,130 --> 02:56:26,764
spent that money keeping cool

5625
02:56:26,764 --> 02:56:27,497
running in Twenty-twenty.

5626
02:56:27,497 --> 02:56:30,497
They announced they would start

5627
02:56:31,367 --> 02:56:32,436
shutting down some of their

5628
02:56:32,436 --> 02:56:33,504
coal-fired plants. But they

5629
02:56:33,504 --> 02:56:34,471
have done several lifetime

5630
02:56:34,471 --> 02:56:36,407
extensions on their plans.

5631
02:56:36,407 --> 02:56:38,775
So, you know, they they've

5632
02:56:38,775 --> 02:56:41,775
pushed back the shutdown date

5633
02:56:41,844 --> 02:56:42,713
from 2024. To 2025. 2026.

5634
02:56:42,713 --> 02:56:43,614
Now they're saying 2027.

5635
02:56:43,614 --> 02:56:44,280
We'll see. They're now is

5636
02:56:44,280 --> 02:56:45,649
they've announced that 2032,

5637
02:56:45,649 --> 02:56:48,649
they're going to completely end

5638
02:56:50,621 --> 02:56:51,255
using coal. We'll see if they

5639
02:56:51,255 --> 02:56:51,989
commit to that 2025, they

5640
02:56:51,989 --> 02:56:54,389
announced that they're building

5641
02:56:54,692 --> 02:56:55,626
a 1.5 billion dollar new

5642
02:56:55,626 --> 02:56:56,260
natural gas plants.

5643
02:56:56,260 --> 02:56:59,260
When they could have been

5644
02:56:59,496 --> 02:57:00,597
spending that money on solar

5645
02:57:00,597 --> 02:57:02,599
and on wind. And, you know, the

5646
02:57:02,599 --> 02:57:03,567
biggest motivator for these

5647
02:57:03,567 --> 02:57:04,934
fossil fuel plants is that they

5648
02:57:04,934 --> 02:57:05,601
get to charge us the rate

5649
02:57:05,601 --> 02:57:07,838
payers for the construction

5650
02:57:07,838 --> 02:57:08,972
costs and they get guaranteed

5651
02:57:08,972 --> 02:57:09,707
profits from that. So the more

5652
02:57:09,707 --> 02:57:13,307
money they spend on fossil fuel

5653
02:57:13,644 --> 02:57:16,644
plants, the more money they

5654
02:57:16,680 --> 02:57:17,314
make right. So the alternative

5655
02:57:17,314 --> 02:57:18,182
is solar and we energies,

5656
02:57:18,182 --> 02:57:18,882
regrettably, they've been

5657
02:57:18,882 --> 02:57:20,918
fighting solar. Every chance

5658
02:57:20,918 --> 02:57:24,955
that they get, it's more than a

5659
02:57:24,955 --> 02:57:25,923
decade now that they've been

5660
02:57:25,923 --> 02:57:27,240
fighting residential solar

5661
02:57:27,240 --> 02:57:30,240
rooftop, solar where the panels

5662
02:57:30,193 --> 02:57:31,996
are paid for by people who live

5663
02:57:31,996 --> 02:57:32,630
on the panel's regular people.

5664
02:57:32,630 --> 02:57:33,296
But they are, you know, we

5665
02:57:33,296 --> 02:57:34,298
energies is trying to block

5666
02:57:34,298 --> 02:57:34,932
that energy getting back on

5667
02:57:34,932 --> 02:57:37,835
the grid. I think we had a

5668
02:57:37,835 --> 02:57:38,669
previous speaker mentioned

5669
02:57:38,669 --> 02:57:40,669
that.

5670
02:57:41,972 --> 02:57:44,972
Right? I was it. They're

5671
02:57:45,209 --> 02:57:47,770
they're paying you $0.03

5672
02:57:47,770 --> 02:57:50,470
I have my house for 7 months

5673
02:57:50,470 --> 02:57:50,749
that I'm not yeah to use that

5674
02:57:50,749 --> 02:57:51,614
right. So its 3 sense that the

5675
02:57:51,614 --> 02:57:53,784
individual customer would be

5676
02:57:53,784 --> 02:57:57,870
paid for that solar energy and

5677
02:57:57,870 --> 02:57:59,689
then they charge $0.17 to give

5678
02:57:59,689 --> 02:58:00,424
it to someone else. Right?

5679
02:58:00,424 --> 02:58:02,192
The 2019 we energies fought the

5680
02:58:02,192 --> 02:58:04,628
city and trying to put a few

5681
02:58:04,628 --> 02:58:07,628
solar panels up on libraries.

5682
02:58:07,965 --> 02:58:10,200
Right? So they've been fighting

5683
02:58:10,200 --> 02:58:12,200
solar for over a decade.

5684
02:58:12,200 --> 02:58:13,237
If we had a publicly owned

5685
02:58:13,237 --> 02:58:14,710
power utility with 0 profit

5686
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:16,730
motive, then you know, we

5687
02:58:16,730 --> 02:58:16,707
wouldn't be worried about how

5688
02:58:16,707 --> 02:58:17,308
much money we can make on

5689
02:58:17,308 --> 02:58:19,677
building new fossil fuel

5690
02:58:19,677 --> 02:58:20,778
plants. We be building as much

5691
02:58:20,778 --> 02:58:23,747
solar and wind as we could.

5692
02:58:23,747 --> 02:58:24,448
And, you know, we would be able

5693
02:58:24,448 --> 02:58:25,782
to do what cities all over the

5694
02:58:25,782 --> 02:58:27,284
world are doing right now,

5695
02:58:27,284 --> 02:58:27,918
which is putting solar panels

5696
02:58:27,918 --> 02:58:31,822
on top of homes on top of

5697
02:58:31,822 --> 02:58:32,790
warehouses on top of factories,

5698
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:33,857
on city buildings and over

5699
02:58:33,857 --> 02:58:35,893
parking. Lots. And we would

5700
02:58:35,893 --> 02:58:36,592
finally be able to generate

5701
02:58:36,592 --> 02:58:37,294
clean energy for the people of

5702
02:58:37,294 --> 02:58:40,294
Milwaukee. So I encourage you

5703
02:58:40,330 --> 02:58:43,330
to support this this report.

5704
02:58:43,499 --> 02:58:45,499
Thank you.

5705
02:58:46,700 --> 02:58:49,600
One more call out the map.

5706
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:52,600
The Mets available. This is

5707
02:58:52,276 --> 02:58:55,479
your shot. O Co, right, Matt,

5708
02:58:55,479 --> 02:58:57,479
you're on.

5709
02:59:00,317 --> 02:59:03,317
But man, if you're speaking,

5710
02:59:03,620 --> 02:59:07,220
we're not able to hear you

5711
02:59:07,758 --> 02:59:09,226
right now.

5712
02:59:09,226 --> 02:59:11,226
Michael looks on.

5713
02:59:11,762 --> 02:59:15,962
And you and your audio and Mike

5714
02:59:16,670 --> 02:59:18,467
shedding light. That the

5715
02:59:20,300 --> 02:59:20,638
properly. Assessed.

5716
02:59:20,638 --> 02:59:23,575
On the right hand corner.

5717
02:59:23,575 --> 02:59:27,175
Well, in a select the right.

5718
02:59:31,882 --> 02:59:34,882
Okay. We're sorry, Matt, we've

5719
02:59:36,553 --> 02:59:39,857
got to move on to the next and

5720
02:59:39,857 --> 02:59:42,257
last speaker. Sam Michael.

5721
02:59:43,726 --> 02:59:46,663
Hi, thank you very much.

5722
02:59:46,663 --> 02:59:50,769
I am a teacher and a member of

5723
02:59:50,769 --> 02:59:51,702
the dsa.

5724
02:59:51,702 --> 02:59:53,571
Now given that we've had

5725
02:59:53,571 --> 02:59:54,771
unanimous agreements, pretty

5726
02:59:54,771 --> 02:59:57,171
much unanimous agreement on

5727
02:59:58,800 --> 02:59:59,411
the We energies. If there's

5728
02:59:59,411 --> 03:00:00,110
any semblance of democracy

5729
03:00:00,110 --> 03:00:03,110
left, then the Common Council

5730
03:00:03,314 --> 03:00:04,480
will do the right thing.

5731
03:00:04,480 --> 03:00:07,651
I hope they do. But one thing I

5732
03:00:07,651 --> 03:00:08,552
want to talk about is I want to

5733
03:00:08,552 --> 03:00:12,556
make sure that I would like to

5734
03:00:12,556 --> 03:00:13,589
ask the Common Council to add

5735
03:00:13,589 --> 03:00:16,589
a provision to ensure that

5736
03:00:16,894 --> 03:00:19,294
private corporations like we

5737
03:00:19,797 --> 03:00:20,430
energies cannot

5738
03:00:20,430 --> 03:00:23,167
crawl back after this. We

5739
03:00:23,167 --> 03:00:25,135
energies is public. So, for

5740
03:00:25,135 --> 03:00:28,135
example, if by the Common

5741
03:00:28,204 --> 03:00:29,239
Council buys out, we energies,

5742
03:00:29,239 --> 03:00:30,400
I want to make sure that

5743
03:00:30,400 --> 03:00:30,674
another corporation isn't

5744
03:00:30,674 --> 03:00:31,976
sprawl long and screw over

5745
03:00:31,976 --> 03:00:33,278
workers and destroy the

5746
03:00:33,278 --> 03:00:33,979
environment and everything like

5747
03:00:33,979 --> 03:00:36,680
that. So that's one thing that

5748
03:00:36,680 --> 03:00:38,514
I want. That's just one concern

5749
03:00:38,514 --> 03:00:40,517
that I have. I think that this

5750
03:00:40,517 --> 03:00:41,185
measure should definitely pass

5751
03:00:41,185 --> 03:00:44,880
and we should look at other

5752
03:00:44,880 --> 03:00:44,822
ways that we can actually make

5753
03:00:44,822 --> 03:00:46,957
the stronger and make sure that

5754
03:00:46,957 --> 03:00:48,758
these corporations don't find a

5755
03:00:48,758 --> 03:00:49,927
way to score over everyone.

5756
03:00:49,927 --> 03:00:53,230
So I'll just end with that

5757
03:00:53,230 --> 03:00:56,230
little piece of advice. Thank

5758
03:00:56,433 --> 03:00:58,433
you, Sam.

5759
03:01:01,338 --> 03:01:03,406
Morning. Any closing comments

5760
03:01:03,406 --> 03:01:05,275
by any members of the panel up

5761
03:01:05,275 --> 03:01:06,276
here all the way to Ridge.

5762
03:01:06,276 --> 03:01:07,343
Thank you. I'm not on the

5763
03:01:07,343 --> 03:01:08,946
panel, Alderwoman Marina

5764
03:01:08,946 --> 03:01:09,613
Demetria that I see a lot of

5765
03:01:09,613 --> 03:01:11,949
friendly faces and neighbors

5766
03:01:11,949 --> 03:01:12,684
from a district just want to

5767
03:01:12,684 --> 03:01:15,351
make sure. I said hello and let

5768
03:01:15,351 --> 03:01:16,530
you know that we're listening.

5769
03:01:16,530 --> 03:01:19,456
We hear you again. I'm on the

5770
03:01:19,456 --> 03:01:21,392
panel, but wanted to listen to

5771
03:01:21,392 --> 03:01:22,458
your testimony and it was quite

5772
03:01:22,458 --> 03:01:23,394
powerful. So thank you. We love

5773
03:01:23,394 --> 03:01:24,828
having you at City Hall.

5774
03:01:24,828 --> 03:01:25,495
This is the People's House.

5775
03:01:25,495 --> 03:01:28,399
So thank you for being here

5776
03:01:28,399 --> 03:01:30,799
and your testimony noted.

5777
03:01:31,702 --> 03:01:33,702
Thank you.

5778
03:01:34,271 --> 03:01:35,239
Include by saying this has been

5779
03:01:35,239 --> 03:01:37,239
very informative, public

5780
03:01:39,142 --> 03:01:40,311
hearing your witness testimony

5781
03:01:40,311 --> 03:01:41,178
was very concise, a very

5782
03:01:41,178 --> 03:01:43,112
moving, very persuasive.

5783
03:01:43,112 --> 03:01:45,490
I appreciate you all being very

5784
03:01:45,490 --> 03:01:48,180
organizes sticking more to the

5785
03:01:48,180 --> 03:01:48,687
time. And I just want the

5786
03:01:48,687 --> 03:01:51,890
record to reflect that. The

5787
03:01:51,890 --> 03:01:54,689
Allman Brower head of suggest a

5788
03:01:55,590 --> 03:01:55,993
schedule that we would end at

5789
03:01:55,993 --> 03:01:57,940
12:00:08pm, and it is now

5790
03:01:57,940 --> 03:01:58,161
12:00:09pm, when MR. At me as

5791
03:01:58,161 --> 03:01:58,796
if you are one of the worst

5792
03:01:58,796 --> 03:01:59,496
of all. Thank you so much.

5793
03:01:59,496 --> 03:02:01,165
And I want to thank the other

5794
03:02:01,165 --> 03:02:02,266
owners are being hurt.

5795
03:02:02,266 --> 03:02:02,833
Alderwoman Taylor's on the on

5796
03:02:02,833 --> 03:02:03,566
the board and Alderman

5797
03:02:03,566 --> 03:02:04,568
Speicher. Thank you so much for

5798
03:02:04,568 --> 03:02:06,603
hearing everything as and the

5799
03:02:06,603 --> 03:02:09,873
tree of its. Thank you all and

5800
03:02:09,873 --> 03:02:12,410
thanks to everybody who came

5801
03:02:12,410 --> 03:02:14,440
out here today. You know, we

5802
03:02:14,440 --> 03:02:16,790
are on we're in such trying

5803
03:02:16,790 --> 03:02:16,947
times. And so with everything

5804
03:02:16,947 --> 03:02:17,748
going on and all and everybody

5805
03:02:17,748 --> 03:02:18,449
that helped you guys all have

5806
03:02:18,449 --> 03:02:19,949
either different roles in the

5807
03:02:19,949 --> 03:02:20,884
city are extremely demanding or

5808
03:02:20,884 --> 03:02:21,518
time or another units of

5809
03:02:21,518 --> 03:02:23,420
government. And so really

5810
03:02:23,420 --> 03:02:24,870
appreciate all of you taking

5811
03:02:24,870 --> 03:02:26,724
the time. You know, the more

5812
03:02:26,724 --> 03:02:27,423
than 3 hours now to hear from

5813
03:02:27,423 --> 03:02:29,426
the public. And here I'm here.

5814
03:02:29,426 --> 03:02:31,361
These experts that we brought

5815
03:02:31,361 --> 03:02:32,529
here today, this is the start

5816
03:02:32,529 --> 03:02:35,310
of what I believe will be a

5817
03:02:35,310 --> 03:02:35,966
serious conversation about how

5818
03:02:35,966 --> 03:02:38,966
we can transform the city,

5819
03:02:39,536 --> 03:02:40,237
right. And and we can use this

5820
03:02:40,237 --> 03:02:40,904
campaign and this effort as a

5821
03:02:40,904 --> 03:02:41,739
way to transform are part of

5822
03:02:41,739 --> 03:02:44,408
city government. I do want to

5823
03:02:44,408 --> 03:02:45,750
just note really quickly that

5824
03:02:45,750 --> 03:02:48,345
no, there's going to be out

5825
03:02:48,345 --> 03:02:49,450
there this this piece of well,

5826
03:02:49,450 --> 03:02:52,215
the city, I can't even insert

5827
03:02:52,215 --> 03:02:52,916
problem here. Why can we expect

5828
03:02:52,916 --> 03:02:53,617
them to, you know, operate the

5829
03:02:53,617 --> 03:02:54,518
power company, right? The city

5830
03:02:54,518 --> 03:02:55,152
can't rake might leaves.

5831
03:02:55,152 --> 03:02:58,355
How can we expect them to

5832
03:02:58,355 --> 03:02:59,880
operate the power company?

5833
03:02:59,880 --> 03:03:01,625
I really think that that it's a

5834
03:03:01,625 --> 03:03:02,226
very reductionist view of what

5835
03:03:02,226 --> 03:03:02,892
is possible here, but to

5836
03:03:02,892 --> 03:03:04,461
directly address that and I

5837
03:03:04,461 --> 03:03:07,461
think the PRESIDENT Should be

5838
03:03:07,699 --> 03:03:08,666
addressed is that is that the

5839
03:03:08,666 --> 03:03:10,233
city right now? We're under a

5840
03:03:10,233 --> 03:03:10,867
lot of constraints with funding

5841
03:03:10,867 --> 03:03:13,867
from the state are roads.

5842
03:03:14,406 --> 03:03:16,372
We don't charge user fees for

5843
03:03:16,372 --> 03:03:18,508
the roads. So that's not a self

5844
03:03:18,508 --> 03:03:19,376
funding apparatus. Liquor

5845
03:03:19,376 --> 03:03:20,911
waterworks is or like this

5846
03:03:20,911 --> 03:03:21,512
utility would be. We would

5847
03:03:21,512 --> 03:03:22,545
charge rates that would

5848
03:03:22,545 --> 03:03:24,545
maintain the infrastructure.

5849
03:03:24,982 --> 03:03:27,918
So there is a possibility both

5850
03:03:27,918 --> 03:03:28,585
to have this conundrum that

5851
03:03:28,585 --> 03:03:29,286
we're in with state funding

5852
03:03:29,286 --> 03:03:31,588
and a well operated a utility

5853
03:03:31,588 --> 03:03:33,690
as well. But I really

5854
03:03:33,690 --> 03:03:34,325
appreciate the moment here to

5855
03:03:34,325 --> 03:03:36,593
have us have the vision of

5856
03:03:36,593 --> 03:03:37,393
expanding the democracy and

5857
03:03:37,393 --> 03:03:39,229
the well-being of every single

5858
03:03:39,229 --> 03:03:41,598
person. I'm here in Milwaukee

5859
03:03:41,598 --> 03:03:42,232
by doing this. And frankly,

5860
03:03:42,232 --> 03:03:44,334
to challenge the power and

5861
03:03:44,334 --> 03:03:47,237
authority which we haven't done

5862
03:03:47,237 --> 03:03:48,271
in the in in this building

5863
03:03:48,271 --> 03:03:50,400
census or socialist. We're

5864
03:03:50,400 --> 03:03:51,141
here. You have challenged the

5865
03:03:51,141 --> 03:03:54,741
power and authority of one of

5866
03:03:55,813 --> 03:03:56,513
the worst corporate actors in

5867
03:03:56,513 --> 03:03:57,247
this city. One of things that

5868
03:03:57,247 --> 03:03:57,948
was criticized about this event

5869
03:03:57,948 --> 03:03:59,480
today was that we didn't have

5870
03:03:59,480 --> 03:04:02,452
we energies here, but this is

5871
03:04:02,452 --> 03:04:03,153
the start of the conversation.

5872
03:04:03,153 --> 03:04:03,787
I would invite we energies to

5873
03:04:03,787 --> 03:04:04,421
come to this committee or

5874
03:04:04,421 --> 03:04:07,157
public works were set up a

5875
03:04:07,157 --> 03:04:07,891
meeting with any of us to make

5876
03:04:07,891 --> 03:04:08,559
their case about why they think

5877
03:04:08,559 --> 03:04:10,160
they should be here and make

5878
03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:11,161
your case to the public.

5879
03:04:11,161 --> 03:04:11,861
Please. I challenge we

5880
03:04:11,861 --> 03:04:12,528
energies. I'm with him. But of

5881
03:04:12,528 --> 03:04:14,164
course, you know, they're a

5882
03:04:14,164 --> 03:04:16,233
company that is exercising so

5883
03:04:16,233 --> 03:04:17,267
much. Huber, U.S. Right now.

5884
03:04:17,267 --> 03:04:17,968
But I don't even think they can

5885
03:04:17,968 --> 03:04:19,802
step down to our level to

5886
03:04:19,802 --> 03:04:20,904
explain why they should still

5887
03:04:20,904 --> 03:04:21,538
even be our utility provider.

5888
03:04:21,538 --> 03:04:23,474
But I just really want to

5889
03:04:23,474 --> 03:04:24,208
sincerely thank everyone and

5890
03:04:24,208 --> 03:04:27,770
MISTER Chair. Thank you so much

5891
03:04:27,770 --> 03:04:30,770
for holding this hearing today.

5892
03:04:36,253 --> 03:04:39,222
I know it is very interesting

5893
03:04:39,222 --> 03:04:39,922
discussion and the question I

5894
03:04:39,922 --> 03:04:43,326
have now is what are the next

5895
03:04:43,326 --> 03:04:43,927
steps? Where does this proposal

5896
03:04:43,927 --> 03:04:44,561
go from here? Well, as I

5897
03:04:44,561 --> 03:04:46,763
mentioned at the outset, I

5898
03:04:46,763 --> 03:04:49,466
think the next steps would be

5899
03:04:49,466 --> 03:04:50,199
the formation of a a more

5900
03:04:50,199 --> 03:04:51,635
formalized task force involving

5901
03:04:51,635 --> 03:04:54,138
members of the council and

5902
03:04:54,138 --> 03:04:54,838
members of the administration.

5903
03:04:54,838 --> 03:04:57,238
Certainly Department of Public

5904
03:04:59,576 --> 03:05:01,576
Works comptroller's office,

5905
03:05:01,645 --> 03:05:02,279
perhaps. And where have you

5906
03:05:02,279 --> 03:05:04,648
toward putting together a

5907
03:05:04,648 --> 03:05:05,749
perhaps request for

5908
03:05:05,749 --> 03:05:06,618
qualifications for a

5909
03:05:06,618 --> 03:05:09,180
feasibility study, get the

5910
03:05:10,200 --> 03:05:11,989
proposals from qualified firms

5911
03:05:11,989 --> 03:05:14,891
as was indicated by first alert

5912
03:05:14,891 --> 03:05:17,610
earlier and then the council

5913
03:05:17,610 --> 03:05:18,928
would have to make the hard

5914
03:05:18,928 --> 03:05:19,630
choice as to how to fund that

5915
03:05:19,630 --> 03:05:20,331
feasibility study, which could

5916
03:05:20,331 --> 03:05:20,965
be in the several hundreds of

5917
03:05:20,965 --> 03:05:23,701
thousands of dollars. So I

5918
03:05:23,701 --> 03:05:26,870
think that would be the next

5919
03:05:26,870 --> 03:05:27,538
step.

5920
03:05:27,538 --> 03:05:28,105
Also MARCH air you know, the

5921
03:05:28,105 --> 03:05:29,773
next step, Stewart, a

5922
03:05:29,773 --> 03:05:30,641
continuum, people mobilize and

5923
03:05:30,641 --> 03:05:31,240
have conversations and agenda

5924
03:05:31,240 --> 03:05:34,444
be a part of the public

5925
03:05:34,444 --> 03:05:35,145
conversation that's going on.

5926
03:05:35,145 --> 03:05:35,813
I think one of these that are

5927
03:05:35,813 --> 03:05:37,715
still a mentor to me, but I

5928
03:05:37,715 --> 03:05:38,549
don't believe she got a chance

5929
03:05:38,549 --> 03:05:40,383
to mention today was that that

5930
03:05:40,383 --> 03:05:41,118
this these fights are there's

5931
03:05:41,118 --> 03:05:41,819
that there is a technical piece

5932
03:05:41,819 --> 03:05:44,870
with the revenue bonds and the

5933
03:05:44,870 --> 03:05:44,922
infrastructure. There's very

5934
03:05:44,922 --> 03:05:46,957
much a technical concern.

5935
03:05:46,957 --> 03:05:48,959
But the bigger concern, 90% of

5936
03:05:48,959 --> 03:05:49,593
the concern is the political

5937
03:05:49,593 --> 03:05:50,294
will. So it is also offer

5938
03:05:50,294 --> 03:05:51,929
thought your question we have

5939
03:05:51,929 --> 03:05:52,529
to build the political will to

5940
03:05:52,529 --> 03:05:53,230
make this happen. You're

5941
03:05:53,230 --> 03:05:54,832
walking. And that is that is a

5942
03:05:54,832 --> 03:05:55,732
there is some tech companies.

5943
03:05:55,732 --> 03:05:56,432
There's a I want to get on

5944
03:05:56,432 --> 03:05:59,969
board with the idea of a task

5945
03:05:59,969 --> 03:06:00,638
force or a feasibility study

5946
03:06:00,638 --> 03:06:01,305
be conducted. We have to the

5947
03:06:01,305 --> 03:06:02,773
build, the political will no

5948
03:06:02,773 --> 03:06:05,173
matter what the feasibility

5949
03:06:05,209 --> 03:06:05,743
study says we energies will

5950
03:06:05,743 --> 03:06:07,177
has the legal right.

5951
03:06:07,177 --> 03:06:09,177
Unfortunately under our

5952
03:06:10,790 --> 03:06:10,781
campaign finance laws when the

5953
03:06:10,781 --> 03:06:11,415
referendum hits the voters to

5954
03:06:11,415 --> 03:06:13,490
spend almost an unlimited

5955
03:06:13,490 --> 03:06:13,751
amount from the Treasury on the

5956
03:06:13,751 --> 03:06:15,319
vote. No campaign. So we have

5957
03:06:15,319 --> 03:06:18,319
to be well informed and

5958
03:06:19,223 --> 03:06:21,580
fortified as a as a public to

5959
03:06:21,580 --> 03:06:22,327
be able to withstand them Blatt

5960
03:06:22,327 --> 03:06:22,960
with every other commercial

5961
03:06:22,960 --> 03:06:25,195
being about why are Jews?

5962
03:06:25,195 --> 03:06:25,996
We energies is the greatest

5963
03:06:25,996 --> 03:06:26,697
thing in the history of the

5964
03:06:26,697 --> 03:06:27,397
when that when that when that

5965
03:06:27,397 --> 03:06:29,199
does happen. So I think that's

5966
03:06:29,199 --> 03:06:30,967
another piece of it as well as

5967
03:06:30,967 --> 03:06:31,635
chair. Thank you. Thank you.

5968
03:06:31,635 --> 03:06:33,000
All right. With that big, no