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» Good afternoon, everyone.

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welcome to the regular meeting

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of the business, housing and

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zoning committee for july 7,

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2026.

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my name is jamal osman, and

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I'm the chair of this

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I will call to order this

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before we begin, I want to

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remind all folks, this meeting

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is broadcast live to enable

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greater public participation.

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they include realtime

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captioning to increase the

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accessibility of our

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proceedings to the community.

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therefore, all speakers need

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to be mindful of their speech

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clarity of their comments.

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we'll be using the speaker

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management, so please sign u

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at this time I'll ask the

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clerk to call the roll so we

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thank you.

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» Council member rainville.

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» Present.

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» Warren.

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» Shaffer.

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» Chavez.

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» Chug high is present --

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chughtai is absent.

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vice chair chowdhury.

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» Present.

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» And chair osman.

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» Present.

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» There are 6 members

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» Let the record reflect we

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our agenda is in front of us.

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we will begin with the consent

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agenda.

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if you want to speak during

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any of this public hearing

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today, please sign up with the

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clerk.

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all right.

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item 6, approve six liquor

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licenses.

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item 7 approves 24 liquor

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license renewals.

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item 8 approves 22 -- I'm

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sorry -- item 8 approves two

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gambling licenses.

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item 9 approves amended

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business licenses, operating

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condition.

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for breakfast bar of

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minnesota.

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item 10 accepts the low

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responsive bid for snow

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removal at minneapolis

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convention center.

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item 11 authorizes a loan

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restructure for jigji dwsm a

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business center.

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item 12 authorizes financial

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agreement for rehab

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properties, part of

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item 13 authorizes revision to

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the alternative financing

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item 14 is a resolution

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approving land disposition and

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financial assistance from

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hennepin county housing and

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redevelopment authority.

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item 15 authorizes a contract

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with metropolitan consortium

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of community developers for

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loan services.

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item 16 approves two street

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vacations located north of

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item 17 refers to the staff an

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ordinance related to the

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autonomous vehicle regulation.

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and, lastly, item 18 sets a

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public hearing for july

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22nd to consider the

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mayor's nomination of enrique

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valazquez to the director of

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regulatory services

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» Thank you, chair.

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I'd like to pull item 9 for a

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separate discussion and vote.

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» Item 9 we'll pull for

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separate vote.

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council member shaffer.

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» I just wanted to make a

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comment on 16 bore we move

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to the vote.

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and just to say thank you for

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this work on behalf of cped

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and others about this vacation

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on these two small triangular

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parcels.

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with the eventual transfer,

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hopefully, to mprb.

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and this is something that we

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were very interestedn for a

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long time, and I'm just very

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thankful to see that coming

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this is an area of the city

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that does not have a lot of

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green space.

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it's one of the target areas

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for mprb.

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and I'm thankful to see this

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vacation coming forward.

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» Thank you.

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with that, I'll move items

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except item 9.

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and I refer item 17 to staff

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and set item 18 for public

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hearing.

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on that motion, all those in

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favor say aye.

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and those opposed say nay.

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the ayes have it and the

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motion carries.

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all right.

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for public hearing, for

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everyone in attendance and

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especially those who might --

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» Chair osman?

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» Yes.

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» Council member rainville

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pulled out an item for

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discussion, I believe.

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» I appreciate the reminder.

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council member rainville,

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please go ahead with item 9.

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» Thank you.

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so I see ms. Lingo here.

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I'm wondering if you could

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describe the operating

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conditions for the breakfast

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bar.

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» Through the chair, council

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member rainville, thank you.

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so the conditions that we have

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before us for the breakfast

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bar are related to the

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activity for the business, as

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well as for the outdoor

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structure.

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so we have negotiated a

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take-down of that outdoor

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structure to occur no later

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than september 15th of

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this year, and then in that

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part of those negotiations we

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have clearly laid out an

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agreed-upon behavior and

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expectations for sound and use

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of that tent.

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» And that's what you mean by

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"activity"?

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so you say the conditions are

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regarding activity.

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so the activity inside the

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tent or thectivity once the

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tent is gone?

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» The activity inside of the

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tent, how the patio space is

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to be used for this time

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frame.

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» From now till september?

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» Great.

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thank you.

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good job.

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I appreciate the work.

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we all know that there's been

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some issues there.

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so thank you.

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» Council member shaffer.

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» Yeah, I'm just thankful for

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seeing this coming forward as

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well.

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this is something that we've

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heard a lot of complaints

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about, particularly from the

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atrium, public housing, there

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has been a written petition

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going around with many

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signatures and due to noise

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complaints, very late at

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and early in the morning.

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so thank you.

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» Thank you.

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and also, I do want to comment

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that this is a business owned

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by african american business,

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and I really appreciate the

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staff for finding a way to

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have the business t continue

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situation.

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and good luck to them and with

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that, I will have council

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member chav easy to speak on

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chavez to speak on this.

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» I'll let it go.

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» All right.

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thank you so much.

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I will approve for item 9,

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all those in favor say aye.

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all right.

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public hearing for everyone in

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attendance and especially

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those who might participate in

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our hearing or comment period,

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let me offer this notice.

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this hearing is being recorded

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and broadcast, both

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recordingings and broadcast

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are classifd as public data

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under the minnesota data

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practices act.

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by attending or participating

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in this proceeding, your image

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and any testimony or

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information that you might

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provide will be also subject

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to disclosure under that law.

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that includes but is not

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limited to your attendance,

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your name, and other personal

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details you might provide, as

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well as any testimony or

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comments you provide which

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includes any written

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submission you make which are

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included in the record of this

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our first public hearing is a

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license application for

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on-sale liquor with limited

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entertainment for bill's bait

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shop located at ward 12.

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I would ask ahmed mohamed from

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the business license for a

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presentation on this.

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welcome.

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» I'm license inspector with

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licenses and consumer

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services.

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I'm presenting an application

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from bill's bait shop, lcc,

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dba, bill's baithop, located

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at 3101 42nd street east,

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minneapolis, minnesota, 55406.

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in ward 12.

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the applicant is requesting

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on-sale liquor, limited

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entertainment with sunday

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sales license.

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if approved, they iend to be

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a full-service restaurant with

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a menu focused on fish, along

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with burgers and hot dogs with

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outdoor seating.

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bill's bait shop will be a

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sit-down restaurant with 48

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interior seats and 18 private

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patio seats.

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the premises includes the

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ground-level space at 3101

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42nd street east.

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they intend to provide limited

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entertainment, only ambient

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music playing in the

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background inside only.

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on occasion, they may offer

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karaoke and trivia, but no

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exterior eertainment.

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hours of operation, indoor,

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sunday for thursday, 11:00

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a.m. To 11:00 p.m.

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friday and saturday, 11:00

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a. To 12:00 a.m

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outdoor hours for the private

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patio, sunday through

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thursday, 11:00 a.m. To 10:00

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p.m., and friday and saturday,

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11:00 a.m. To 11:00 p.m.

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on june 15th, 2026, 159

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public hearing notices were

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sent to residents, property

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owners, posted on all

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residential buildings with

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four or more units within 600

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feet of the premises.

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notices were also sent to the

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standish erickson neighborhood d

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council member chowdhury.

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we have received 18 comments

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from the community.

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18 in support of this

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application.

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however, their concerns are

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closing hours for their

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private patio.

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these hours are based off the

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feedback that was received in

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response from neighbors and

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are reflected in the requested

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closing times for the interior

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and exterior of the business.

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we brought these concerns to

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the applicant.

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the applicant has a history of

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running successful

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neighborhood restaurts with

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little issue.

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they fully intend to operate

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as a good neighbor.

351
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this is a new business to a

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ne location.

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a review of any complaints,

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311 calls, police calls, and

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any operating conditions found

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no signicant issues

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concerning the business and

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the issuanc of this license.

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the license and consumer

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services division recommends

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approval of on-sale liquor,

362
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limited entertainment, with

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sunday sales license.

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this concludes my

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presention.

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at this time, I will stand for

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comments or questions.

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thank you.

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» Thank you so much for that

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prestation.

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now I'll proceed to open the

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public hearing and recognize

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jamie olson.

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hi.

375
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welcome.

376
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» Thank you, act bar.

377
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hello, council members.

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thank you for having me.

379
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I am jamie olson, founder and

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ceo of central restaurant

381
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group, bill's bait shop is one

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of our newest projects and

383
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near and dear to me, after

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my -- it's in honor of my

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grandpa, bill, who grew up in

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northern minnesota and loved

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fishing.

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so really really excited about

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this.

390
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really excited about the

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neighborhood.

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we've heard nothing but

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positive things and

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excitement, and we are very

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much a community-focused

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restaurant brand company.

397
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so, yeah, we respect the

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community and I'm here to

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answer any questions.

400
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» Thank you so much.

401
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are there anyone who would

402
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like to speak on this item?

403
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seeing none, I'll close the

404
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public hearing and recognize

405
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vice chair chowdhury.

406
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» Thank you, chair osman.

407
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akbar, would you just mind

408
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saying what the hours are just

409
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one more time for us?

410
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» So, the indoor hours will

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be sunday through thursday,

412
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11:00 a.m. To 11:00 p.m.

413
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friday and satday, 11:00

414
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a.m. To 100 a.m.

415
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the outor patio, private

416
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patio hours, sunday through

417
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thursday, 11:00 a.m. -- excuse

418
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me -- 11:00 a.m. To 10:00 p.m.

419
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friday and saturday, 11:00

420
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a.m. To 11:00 p.m.

421
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» Thank you, akbar.

422
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» Sure.

423
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I just first want to start off

424
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by saying thank you so much

425
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for coming to city hall, jamie

426
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and jerry.

427
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really appreciate you both.

428
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I'm really excited to move

429
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this forward for approval.

430
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bill's bait shop is going to

431
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be such a wonderful addition

432
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to this corner of the 12th

433
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ward and the neighborhood.

434
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I have gotten so many emails,

435
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calls, texts, just excited for

436
00:13:08,316 --> 00:13:14,683
you to open and just really

437
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appreciate the other

438
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businesses you've ran in the

439
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twin cities area and the

440
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neighborhood here has really

441
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shared that they would love to

442
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have, like, a place where they

443
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can walk and have a drink,

444
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have some burgers.

445
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I think that northwoods smoke

446
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fish is going to be very

447
00:13:29,783 --> 00:13:33,850
popular.

448
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and I just want to also thank

449
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amy and akbar for your work.

450
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constituents have shared with

451
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me how accessible you've been

452
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and, really, I think

453
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everyone's going to appreciate

454
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this compromise on the hours.

455
00:13:43,016 --> 00:13:46,450
it's going to go a really long

456
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way and I'm just super excited

457
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to bring this into this

458
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corner.

459
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this corner's been vacant for

460
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a couple of years now.

461
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chicago taste authority used

462
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to be here.

463
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so having it be filled with a

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new neighbor is going to be

465
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wonderful and I really

466
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recommend, you probably

467
00:14:01,716 --> 00:14:04,683
already have connecting with

468
00:14:02,716 --> 00:14:06,650
the owner of every makeup,

469
00:14:04,783 --> 00:14:07,850
they always have a really cool

470
00:14:06,750 --> 00:14:09,216
crew of people coming through

471
00:14:07,950 --> 00:14:11,083
there that will just probably

472
00:14:09,316 --> 00:14:11,950
love bill's bait shop.

473
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» Great.

474
00:14:12,050 --> 00:14:14,216
wonderful.

475
00:14:12,316 --> 00:14:15,350
thank you.

476
00:14:14,316 --> 00:14:16,083
with that mion, all those in

477
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favor say aye.

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[ members voting ]

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and those opposed say nay.

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[ no response heard ]

481
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the ayes have it a the

482
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motion carries.

483
00:14:21,983 --> 00:14:28,216
our next public hearing is a

484
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license application for permit

485
00:14:28,316 --> 00:14:32,483
expansion of premises and

486
00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:35,016
street café, both are for

487
00:14:33,483 --> 00:14:36,783
bryant lake bowl.

488
00:14:35,116 --> 00:14:37,983
I'll have manager jamie lingo

489
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to talk about and give us

490
00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:41,816
presentation on this.

491
00:14:39,250 --> 00:14:43,450
» Thank you, chair osman,

492
00:14:42,216 --> 00:14:43,883
committee members, I'm amy

493
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lingo.

494
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I'm presenting an alication

495
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from splitsville,

496
00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:49,550
incorporated, lcc, doing

497
00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:51,616
business as bryant lake bowl,

498
00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:52,950
which is located at 810 lake

499
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street west, minneapolis,

500
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minnesota, 55408, which is in

501
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the 10th ward.

502
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the applicant is requesting a

503
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street café and a permanent

504
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expansion of license.

505
00:15:01,450 --> 00:15:03,683
if approved, they intend to

506
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expand their outdoor area to

507
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provide a street calf yea for

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the outside dining to

509
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accompany their current

510
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operations of restaurant,

511
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bowling, and live theater.

512
00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:14,983
the outdoor expansion will add

513
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approximately 180 square feet

514
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for 16 outdoor seats within a

515
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designated and enclosed café

516
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area operating during the

517
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spring through the fall sea

518
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season, street calf yeas

519
00:15:27,216 --> 00:15:29,983
operate in spark -- in parking

520
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spots.

521
00:15:30,083 --> 00:15:34,583
the hours of oration are

522
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monday through thursday, 8:00

523
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a.m. To 12:00 p.m., the

524
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outdoor hours on the proposed

525
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street calf yea are monday

526
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through sunday, 9:00 a.m. To

527
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11:00 p.m.

528
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on june 15th, 2026, 134

529
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public hearing notices were

530
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sent to residents, property

531
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owners and posted on all

532
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residential buildings with

533
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four or more units within 600

534
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feet of the premises.

535
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notices were also sent to the

536
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lourey hill east neighborhood

537
00:15:56,683 --> 00:15:59,583
association, the lake street

538
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business association, and

539
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council member aisha chug

540
00:16:00,850 --> 00:16:02,283
high.

541
00:16:01,450 --> 00:16:03,483
we have received two comments

542
00:16:02,383 --> 00:16:04,450
from the committee, both of

543
00:16:03,583 --> 00:16:05,916
which were in support.

544
00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:07,750
we have received no comments

545
00:16:06,250 --> 00:16:09,816
in opposition.

546
00:16:08,016 --> 00:16:11,450
a review of any complaints,

547
00:16:09,916 --> 00:16:13,516
311 calls, police calls, or

548
00:16:11,550 --> 00:16:16,016
anyther operating conditions

549
00:16:13,716 --> 00:16:16,516
ha found no significant

550
00:16:16,116 --> 00:16:17,250
issues concerning this

551
00:16:16,650 --> 00:16:18,150
buness or the issuance of

552
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:19,500
this license.

553
00:16:18,250 --> 00:16:20,316
licenses and consumer services

554
00:16:19,616 --> 00:16:21,650
recommends approval of a

555
00:16:20,416 --> 00:16:22,516
street calf yea and permanent

556
00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:23,183
expansion of premises.

557
00:16:22,616 --> 00:16:23,516
this concludes my

558
00:16:23,283 --> 00:16:24,483
presentation.

559
00:16:23,683 --> 00:16:25,183
at this time I'll stand for

560
00:16:24,583 --> 00:16:26,583
any questions.

561
00:16:25,316 --> 00:16:27,216
» Thank you so much for that

562
00:16:26,683 --> 00:16:29,750
presentation.

563
00:16:27,383 --> 00:16:30,616
I will proceed to open the

564
00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:31,483
public hearing and see if

565
00:16:30,716 --> 00:16:32,283
there's anyone who would like

566
00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:33,583
to speak on this item.

567
00:16:32,383 --> 00:16:35,983
yes, sir, welcome.

568
00:16:33,683 --> 00:16:40,883
please state your name and --

569
00:16:36,083 --> 00:16:42,750
yes, come over here, yup.

570
00:16:41,516 --> 00:16:43,316
» Hello, everyone, my name is

571
00:16:42,850 --> 00:16:43,850
ryan o'neill.

572
00:16:43,583 --> 00:16:44,183
» Welcome.

573
00:16:44,016 --> 00:16:47,150
go ahead.

574
00:16:45,016 --> 00:16:47,616
» I'm a resident of the

575
00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:51,083
whittier neighborhood.

576
00:16:47,716 --> 00:16:54,316
I'm a longtime patron ofbryant e

577
00:16:51,183 --> 00:16:55,250
here today to talk about favor

578
00:16:54,750 --> 00:16:57,350
of the proposal.

579
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:58,650
it's a place that's been very

580
00:16:57,450 --> 00:17:00,316
near and dear to me.

581
00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:01,483
when people come in from out

582
00:17:00,416 --> 00:17:04,783
of town, I always try and get

583
00:17:01,583 --> 00:17:05,350
them to stop by during the --

584
00:17:04,883 --> 00:17:06,550
stop by.

585
00:17:05,450 --> 00:17:07,516
during the pandemic, I did

586
00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:08,516
everything I could to keep the

587
00:17:07,616 --> 00:17:10,150
place open.

588
00:17:08,766 --> 00:17:10,683
I bought gift t-shirts for my

589
00:17:10,250 --> 00:17:11,583
entire family in north

590
00:17:10,783 --> 00:17:13,783
caroli.

591
00:17:11,783 --> 00:17:16,616
so there's bryant lake bowl

592
00:17:13,883 --> 00:17:18,716
advertising out of state.

593
00:17:16,783 --> 00:17:20,883
I volunteer a lot there, doing

594
00:17:18,816 --> 00:17:22,850
small things, I called the

595
00:17:20,983 --> 00:17:24,283
bingo, we're doing bingo

596
00:17:22,950 --> 00:17:26,616
tonight at 8:00 p.m.

597
00:17:24,383 --> 00:17:27,650
so, it's a place that I've

598
00:17:26,716 --> 00:17:30,250
been patronizing for quite

599
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:32,916
some time, over 15 years, and

600
00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:34,683
I think this would be a great

601
00:17:33,016 --> 00:17:35,750
opportunity for the business

602
00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:38,250
in the neighborhood and I just

603
00:17:35,850 --> 00:17:38,816
wanted to encrage the

604
00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:40,350
council to approve this

605
00:17:38,916 --> 00:17:41,016
proposal.

606
00:17:40,516 --> 00:17:42,083
» All right.

607
00:17:41,116 --> 00:17:42,583
thank you so much for your

608
00:17:42,183 --> 00:17:44,083
testimony.

609
00:17:43,516 --> 00:17:45,416
is there anyone else?

610
00:17:44,183 --> 00:17:47,716
seeing none, I'll close the

611
00:17:45,516 --> 00:17:48,150
public hearing and recognize

612
00:17:47,816 --> 00:17:49,816
chair chowdhury.

613
00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:51,816
» Thank you, chair osman.

614
00:17:49,916 --> 00:17:52,750
I'll move this item for

615
00:17:51,916 --> 00:17:53,950
approval and then also just

616
00:17:52,850 --> 00:17:55,716
highlight to those who are

617
00:17:54,050 --> 00:17:57,816
watching, bryant lake bowl was

618
00:17:55,816 --> 00:17:59,883
very prominently featured on

619
00:17:57,916 --> 00:18:01,750
"love is blind minneapolis,"

620
00:17:59,983 --> 00:18:02,716
one of the most iconic breakup

621
00:18:01,850 --> 00:18:04,350
scenes of the season occurred

622
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:06,016
at bryant lake bowl.

623
00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:07,083
so, excited to expand the

624
00:18:06,116 --> 00:18:10,950
premises.

625
00:18:07,183 --> 00:18:11,683
hopefully there will be more

626
00:18:11,050 --> 00:18:12,783
people getting together than

627
00:18:11,783 --> 00:18:15,183
breaking up.

628
00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:15,950
but that's not up to us here.

629
00:18:15,283 --> 00:18:16,283
» All right.

630
00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:17,383
wonderful.

631
00:18:16,383 --> 00:18:17,916
with that motion, all those in

632
00:18:17,483 --> 00:18:18,916
favor say aye.

633
00:18:18,016 --> 00:18:20,983
[ members voting ]

634
00:18:19,016 --> 00:18:21,650
and those opposed say nay.

635
00:18:21,083 --> 00:18:22,516
[ no response heard ]

636
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:26,600
the ayes have it and the

637
00:18:22,616 --> 00:18:27,900
motion carries.

638
00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:28,766
our next public hearing is a

639
00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:31,500
license applicationor wine

640
00:18:28,866 --> 00:18:33,466
and strong beer with no live

641
00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,233
entertainment at antojitos,

642
00:18:33,566 --> 00:18:38,400
located at ward 4.

643
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,266
I will have sarah grace from

644
00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:39,933
business license to give us

645
00:18:39,366 --> 00:18:41,433
details about this.

646
00:18:40,033 --> 00:18:42,833
welcome.

647
00:18:41,533 --> 00:18:43,733
» Thank you, chair osman and

648
00:18:42,933 --> 00:18:46,400
committee members.

649
00:18:43,833 --> 00:18:49,766
I'm license inspector sarah

650
00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:50,466
gray, that's s-a-r-a,

651
00:18:49,866 --> 00:18:50,766
g-r-a-y-s, for special

652
00:18:50,566 --> 00:18:52,166
purposes.

653
00:18:50,866 --> 00:18:52,700
with licenses and consumer

654
00:18:52,266 --> 00:18:54,900
services.

655
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,866
I'm presenting an application

656
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,733
from antojitos ryan.s, lcc,

657
00:18:56,966 --> 00:19:00,400
doing business as antojos

658
00:18:59,833 --> 00:19:02,366
ryan.

659
00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:04,866
the business is located at

660
00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:06,933
1724 lourey avenue north, in

661
00:19:04,966 --> 00:19:09,133
ward 4.

662
00:19:07,033 --> 00:19:10,666
the applicant is requesting an

663
00:19:09,233 --> 00:19:12,100
on-sale wine with strong beer

664
00:19:10,766 --> 00:19:13,366
and no entertainment.

665
00:19:12,366 --> 00:19:15,166
if approved, they intend to

666
00:19:13,466 --> 00:19:18,133
add wine and strong beer to

667
00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:20,433
their full menu, sit-down

668
00:19:18,233 --> 00:19:21,433
restaurant, whichocuses on

669
00:19:20,533 --> 00:19:21,766
ecuadore and american

670
00:19:21,533 --> 00:19:22,733
cuisine.

671
00:19:21,866 --> 00:19:25,033
they've been open as a

672
00:19:22,816 --> 00:19:25,466
restaurant only for the past

673
00:19:25,133 --> 00:19:27,133
year.

674
00:19:25,566 --> 00:19:28,533
there will be no entertainment

675
00:19:27,233 --> 00:19:30,333
other than tvs or radio.

676
00:19:28,633 --> 00:19:31,633
the restaurant is in a

677
00:19:30,433 --> 00:19:33,600
standalone building and has

678
00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:35,900
capacity for 60 seats inside.

679
00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:38,033
ther is no outdo seating.

680
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,300
the hours of operation for the

681
00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:41,600
restaurant are monday through

682
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,566
sunday, 11:00 a.m. Through

683
00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:44,433
9:00 p.m.

684
00:19:43,066 --> 00:19:45,966
on june 15th, public

685
00:19:44,533 --> 00:19:46,900
hearing notices were sent to

686
00:19:46,066 --> 00:19:49,133
residents, property 'owners,

687
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,566
and posted on all residential

688
00:19:49,233 --> 00:19:52,333
buildings with four or more

689
00:19:50,666 --> 00:19:53,533
units within 600 feet of the

690
00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:57,733
premises.

691
00:19:53,633 --> 00:20:01,400
noticesere also sent to the

692
00:19:57,833 --> 00:20:02,066
followwell -- folwell

693
00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:02,733
neighborhood and council

694
00:20:02,166 --> 00:20:05,433
member.

695
00:20:03,466 --> 00:20:07,100
we have received no complaints

696
00:20:05,533 --> 00:20:10,166
from the community, 311 calls,

697
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,933
police calls, and we found no

698
00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:12,033
significant issues concerning

699
00:20:11,033 --> 00:20:13,300
the business and issuance of

700
00:20:12,133 --> 00:20:14,900
this license and the business

701
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,066
has completed a thorough

702
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,633
security plan with the 4th

703
00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,500
precinct police department.

704
00:20:17,733 --> 00:20:20,333
the licenses and consumer

705
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,633
services division recommends

706
00:20:20,433 --> 00:20:24,066
approval of an on-sale wine

707
00:20:22,733 --> 00:20:24,633
and strong beer with no

708
00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:27,066
entertainment license.

709
00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:27,400
this concludes my

710
00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:28,466
presentation.

711
00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:29,466
at this time I will stand for

712
00:20:28,566 --> 00:20:30,433
any questions or cments.

713
00:20:29,566 --> 00:20:31,966
thank you.

714
00:20:30,533 --> 00:20:32,633
» Thank you so much for that

715
00:20:32,066 --> 00:20:34,166
presentation.

716
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,433
I will proceed to open the

717
00:20:34,266 --> 00:20:36,233
public hearing and see if

718
00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:39,633
there's anyone who would like

719
00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:40,400
to speak on this item.

720
00:20:39,733 --> 00:20:42,566
all right.

721
00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:44,000
seeing none,'ll close the

722
00:20:42,666 --> 00:20:45,766
public hearing.

723
00:20:45,166 --> 00:20:47,500
I recognize council member

724
00:20:45,866 --> 00:20:49,800
warren.

725
00:20:47,666 --> 00:20:50,900
» Thank you, chair osman.

726
00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:53,866
I've heard nothing but great

727
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,116
things about this

728
00:20:53,966 --> 00:20:58,000
establishmen so I am excited

729
00:20:56,300 --> 00:21:00,866
to know that they are

730
00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:03,800
expanding their operations

731
00:21:00,966 --> 00:21:04,933
there on lowry in our cultural

732
00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:07,100
corridor, so this is exciting.

733
00:21:05,033 --> 00:21:08,533
and, yeah, that's all I got.

734
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,966
» Thank you.

735
00:21:08,633 --> 00:21:13,900
with that motion from council

736
00:21:13,066 --> 00:21:14,333
member, all those in favor say

737
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,800
aye.

738
00:21:14,433 --> 00:21:16,600
[ members voting ]

739
00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:17,800
and those opposed say nay.

740
00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:18,800
the ayes have it and the

741
00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:21,866
motion carries.

742
00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:23,400
our next item is a public

743
00:21:21,966 --> 00:21:26,233
hearing related to the

744
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:27,433
financing for the grain

745
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:29,833
exchange conversion project.

746
00:21:27,533 --> 00:21:31,266
I'll have amy carr from cped

747
00:21:29,933 --> 00:21:32,366
to speak more about this item.

748
00:21:31,366 --> 00:21:34,766
welcome.

749
00:21:33,633 --> 00:21:35,333
» Good afternoon, chair and

750
00:21:34,866 --> 00:21:37,300
committee members.

751
00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:38,500
I'm he emily carr, I'm a

752
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800
supervisor on the residential

753
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,800
finance team in cped.

754
00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:42,566
and I'm before you today

755
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,633
requesting funding approvals

756
00:21:42,666 --> 00:21:47,900
for the grain exchae

757
00:21:44,733 --> 00:21:49,333
conversion project.

758
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,366
staff is recommending approval

759
00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:53,400
of up to $39 in tax-exempt

760
00:21:52,466 --> 00:21:56,133
housing revenue entitlement

761
00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:59,533
'bonds and up to $1.775

762
00:21:56,233 --> 00:21:59,966
million in tax indecreement

763
00:21:59,633 --> 00:22:02,266
financing.

764
00:22:00,066 --> 00:22:04,666
I'll be joine by matthew

765
00:22:02,366 --> 00:22:05,750
hendricks and bradon rothe

766
00:22:04,766 --> 00:22:06,966
from development finance for

767
00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:09,033
the t.I.f. Portion of this

768
00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:11,133
presentation.

769
00:22:09,133 --> 00:22:12,233
therain exchange conversion

770
00:22:11,233 --> 00:22:13,300
project is the proposed

771
00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,266
conversion of the grain

772
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,066
exchange building from an

773
00:22:15,366 --> 00:22:18,900
underutilized office space

774
00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:20,333
into a mixed-use, mixed-income

775
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,400
development.

776
00:22:20,433 --> 00:22:23,600
sherman associates is

777
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:24,566
proposing to redevelop this

778
00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:25,800
hioric complex located in

779
00:22:24,666 --> 00:22:29,066
the downtown west neighborhood

780
00:22:25,966 --> 00:22:32,033
of ward 7.

781
00:22:29,166 --> 00:22:33,666
into 232 units of mixed-income

782
00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:36,833
housing, including 210 units

783
00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:38,566
affordable at 60% ami, and 22

784
00:22:36,933 --> 00:22:42,333
units atarket rate.

785
00:22:38,666 --> 00:22:42,966
as well as 332,000 square --

786
00:22:42,433 --> 00:22:43,966
32,000 square feet of

787
00:22:43,066 --> 00:22:45,166
commercial and office space.

788
00:22:44,066 --> 00:22:45,700
the grain exchange consists of

789
00:22:45,266 --> 00:22:48,333
two buildings.

790
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,766
the north building, 301 fourth

791
00:22:48,433 --> 00:22:50,733
avenue, is ten stories.

792
00:22:49,866 --> 00:22:52,066
the first floor will be

793
00:22:50,833 --> 00:22:53,466
occupied by the current

794
00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:55,666
tenant, which is the u.s.

795
00:22:53,566 --> 00:22:57,200
postal office.

796
00:22:55,766 --> 00:22:58,500
resident amenities and lobby

797
00:22:57,300 --> 00:22:59,933
space and rental units.

798
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,100
the remainder of this

799
00:23:00,033 --> 00:23:02,366
building, floors 2 through 10,

800
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,233
will be occupied by rental

801
00:23:02,466 --> 00:23:08,700
units.

802
00:23:06,333 --> 00:23:10,233
the main building, 400 fourth

803
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,833
street is 12 stories and will

804
00:23:10,333 --> 00:23:12,300
include commercial space on

805
00:23:10,933 --> 00:23:15,500
the first two floors.

806
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,666
the third floor and the fifth

807
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,666
through 11th floors of

808
00:23:16,766 --> 00:23:18,533
this building will be rental

809
00:23:17,766 --> 00:23:19,866
units.

810
00:23:18,633 --> 00:23:22,000
the fourth floor, currently

811
00:23:19,966 --> 00:23:25,233
used as a co-working space

812
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:25,766
will be transferred into a

813
00:23:25,333 --> 00:23:27,400
25,000-square-event event

814
00:23:25,866 --> 00:23:28,500
rental space to accommodate

815
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:30,233
large gatherings, such as

816
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,666
weddings and conferences.

817
00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:33,766
the 12th floor of this

818
00:23:31,766 --> 00:23:35,633
building is a rooftop deck.

819
00:23:33,866 --> 00:23:36,833
additional amenities include a

820
00:23:35,733 --> 00:23:38,566
club room, fitness center,

821
00:23:36,933 --> 00:23:40,000
lobby and management offices

822
00:23:38,666 --> 00:23:41,400
and an outdoor play area for

823
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,466
children.

824
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,266
the developer, sherman's

825
00:23:43,566 --> 00:23:46,666
associates, is a well known

826
00:23:45,666 --> 00:23:47,533
minneapolis-based develop iser

827
00:23:46,766 --> 00:23:49,466
and property management firm

828
00:23:47,633 --> 00:23:50,966
with a portfolio that includes

829
00:23:49,566 --> 00:23:52,366
commercial buildings, hotels,

830
00:23:51,066 --> 00:23:53,433
and artments.

831
00:23:52,466 --> 00:23:55,200
sherman has developed more

832
00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:57,300
than 8,000 rental units in

833
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:58,033
minnesota, colorado, iowa, and

834
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,366
florida.

835
00:23:58,133 --> 00:24:01,333
recent minneapolis projects

836
00:24:00,466 --> 00:24:03,200
include groove lots of, beam

837
00:24:01,433 --> 00:24:04,166
and ladder 260.

838
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:06,166
the first set of actions

839
00:24:04,266 --> 00:24:08,033
before you today in this

840
00:24:06,266 --> 00:24:10,600
report involve the developer's

841
00:24:08,133 --> 00:24:11,733
application for tax-exempt

842
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:14,800
housing revenue entitlement

843
00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:15,800
bonds, in an amount not to

844
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:19,033
exceed $39 million.

845
00:24:16,833 --> 00:24:20,166
as a housing entitlement bond

846
00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:21,266
issuer, each year the city

847
00:24:20,366 --> 00:24:23,333
receives a bond allocation.

848
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,766
in 2026, this allocation was

849
00:24:23,433 --> 00:24:26,533
approximately $72 million.

850
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:28,366
housing revenue bonds can be

851
00:24:26,633 --> 00:24:29,733
used to finance the

852
00:24:28,466 --> 00:24:31,133
acquisition, rehabilitation,

853
00:24:29,833 --> 00:24:33,100
and construction of affordable

854
00:24:31,233 --> 00:24:34,400
rental housing.

855
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,466
housing revenue bonds issued

856
00:24:34,566 --> 00:24:39,133
by the city are sold to

857
00:24:36,566 --> 00:24:41,166
investors to raise funds and

858
00:24:39,233 --> 00:24:42,733
these sales proceeds are used

859
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,366
to finance affordableental

860
00:24:42,833 --> 00:24:46,866
housing projects.

861
00:24:44,666 --> 00:24:48,300
the debt or loan issued from a

862
00:24:46,966 --> 00:24:50,233
bond sale is an obligation of

863
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,666
the borrower or the project

864
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:54,766
and not of the city.

865
00:24:53,766 --> 00:24:57,766
tax-exempt housing revenue

866
00:24:54,866 --> 00:24:59,133
bonds are paired with 4%

867
00:24:57,866 --> 00:25:01,233
low-income housing tax credits

868
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:02,666
to generate tax credit equity

869
00:25:01,733 --> 00:25:04,733
or syndication proceeds.

870
00:25:02,933 --> 00:25:06,300
in the grain exchange project,

871
00:25:04,833 --> 00:25:09,333
the tax credits will generate

872
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,900
more than $36 million in

873
00:25:09,433 --> 00:25:11,633
syndication proceeds as a

874
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,000
source to the project.

875
00:25:11,733 --> 00:25:14,600
the total development cost of

876
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:17,100
this project are estimated at

877
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:20,033
just over $122 million.

878
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,633
and the developer has also

879
00:25:20,133 --> 00:25:23,466
secured approximately $46

880
00:25:21,733 --> 00:25:24,966
million in federal and state

881
00:25:23,566 --> 00:25:26,133
historic tax credits and

882
00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:27,933
environmental passthrough

883
00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:29,366
grants.

884
00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:30,866
the second part of this

885
00:25:29,466 --> 00:25:34,266
request involves the

886
00:25:30,966 --> 00:25:44,133
developer's request for up to

887
00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:47,766
1.775 million in increment tax

888
00:25:44,233 --> 00:25:49,400
financing.

889
00:25:48,133 --> 00:25:50,700
» Thanks, emily.

890
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:53,233
chair osman, committee

891
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,900
members, my name is matthew

892
00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:55,766
hendricks, I'm a manager in

893
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,633
the city's development finance

894
00:25:55,866 --> 00:25:58,833
division.

895
00:25:57,733 --> 00:26:00,300
tax increment financing, or

896
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:01,900
t.I.f., is a fincing tool

897
00:26:00,650 --> 00:26:03,866
available to all cities and

898
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,733
counties in minnesota and

899
00:26:03,966 --> 00:26:07,866
governed b state statute.

900
00:26:05,833 --> 00:26:09,000
the city can only utilize this

901
00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:10,433
tool in accoance with the

902
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,933
rules established by thetate

903
00:26:10,533 --> 00:26:14,366
t.I.f. Act, which means the

904
00:26:13,033 --> 00:26:15,900
t.I.f. Disict can only

905
00:26:14,466 --> 00:26:17,433
support the specific project

906
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,600
defined in the t.I.f. Plan.

907
00:26:17,533 --> 00:26:21,466
in other words, under current

908
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:22,233
law, t.I.f. Cannot generate

909
00:26:21,566 --> 00:26:24,100
unrestricted general use

910
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:26,066
funds.

911
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,400
the project must include

912
00:26:26,266 --> 00:26:30,100
specific eligible costs, wch

913
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:32,300
are also defined by statute.

914
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,600
and, most importantly, the

915
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,200
project must meet a "but for"

916
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,333
test, a legal requirement that

917
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,733
local government must satisfy

918
00:26:38,433 --> 00:26:41,166
before creating a new t.I.f.

919
00:26:39,833 --> 00:26:42,800
district to ensure t.I.f. Is

920
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,933
only used on projects that are

921
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:46,366
not financially feasible but

922
00:26:46,033 --> 00:26:48,600
for public financial

923
00:26:46,466 --> 00:26:50,466
assistance.

924
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:52,633
based on staff's review, this

925
00:26:50,566 --> 00:26:53,533
project meetshe statutory

926
00:26:52,733 --> 00:26:54,833
requirements for the

927
00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:55,866
establishment of a housing

928
00:26:54,933 --> 00:26:58,100
t.I.f. District.

929
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,500
I will now invite our summer

930
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,750
urban scholar, bradon rothe to

931
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,233
join me and share a little

932
00:27:01,866 --> 00:27:05,333
more detail on the rest for

933
00:27:04,333 --> 00:27:07,633
the -- on the request for the

934
00:27:05,433 --> 00:27:09,766
grain exchange.

935
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,800
» Good afternoon, chair and

936
00:27:09,866 --> 00:27:12,700
members of the committee.

937
00:27:11,233 --> 00:27:14,966
my name sioux bradon rothe,

938
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,733
and I'm an urban scholar with

939
00:27:16,066 --> 00:27:17,133
the development finance team

940
00:27:16,833 --> 00:27:18,600
this summer.

941
00:27:17,466 --> 00:27:20,900
as noted, the grain exchange

942
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:23,666
project is requesting $1.775

943
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,333
million in tax increment

944
00:27:23,766 --> 00:27:25,866
financing.

945
00:27:24,433 --> 00:27:27,266
as with all t.I.f. Projects,

946
00:27:25,966 --> 00:27:28,266
the increased property value

947
00:27:27,366 --> 00:27:30,400
resulting from the completion

948
00:27:28,666 --> 00:27:31,766
of this project will not be

949
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,100
included in the city's general

950
00:27:31,866 --> 00:27:34,833
tax base until the t.I.f.

951
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:37,333
district is decertified, which

952
00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:38,466
is anticipated to occur 15

953
00:27:37,433 --> 00:27:39,233
years aer development

954
00:27:38,566 --> 00:27:40,933
completion.

955
00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:44,233
the city will also retain 10%

956
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,100
of the tax increment generated

957
00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:46,750
each year to pay t.I.f.

958
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,666
administrative costs.

959
00:27:47,033 --> 00:27:48,966
e t.I.f. Recapture

960
00:27:47,766 --> 00:27:49,833
provisions for this project

961
00:27:49,066 --> 00:27:51,466
include two components.

962
00:27:49,933 --> 00:27:52,600
first, there will be a

963
00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:54,233
post-construction review of

964
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:55,766
the deferred developer fee as

965
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,533
compared to the current

966
00:27:55,866 --> 00:27:58,366
project budget.

967
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,466
if the developer is able to

968
00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:02,100
increase their up-front fee

969
00:28:00,566 --> 00:28:03,366
via construction savings,

970
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,233
improved financing terms or

971
00:28:03,466 --> 00:28:08,333
any other factors than the

972
00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:09,433
amount of t.I.f -- then the

973
00:28:08,433 --> 00:28:10,866
amount of t.I.f. Assistance

974
00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:11,300
will be reduced

975
00:28:10,966 --> 00:28:12,933
proportionately.

976
00:28:11,383 --> 00:28:14,033
the second piece of the

977
00:28:13,466 --> 00:28:15,233
recapture language could

978
00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:16,066
result in a reduction or

979
00:28:15,433 --> 00:28:19,600
elimination of t.I.f. Support

980
00:28:16,166 --> 00:28:20,266
for the project if the project

981
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:21,133
generates significant proceeds

982
00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:22,666
for the developer in the event

983
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,733
of a sale or refinancing.

984
00:28:22,766 --> 00:28:25,300
this provision is consistent

985
00:28:24,066 --> 00:28:26,466
with our t.I.f. Agreements f

986
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,766
other projects and I will now

987
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:33,733
turn the preseation back

988
00:28:27,866 --> 00:28:36,566
over to emily

989
00:28:33,833 --> 00:28:37,766
» Thank you, bradon.

990
00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:39,633
this concludes our

991
00:28:37,866 --> 00:28:40,733
presentation today.

992
00:28:39,733 --> 00:28:42,800
staff recommends proceeding

993
00:28:40,833 --> 00:28:43,900
with these requests in today's

994
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,333
approvals.

995
00:28:44,066 --> 00:28:46,533
if that happens, the project

996
00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:48,700
will be positioned to close

997
00:28:46,633 --> 00:28:48,900
and begin construction this

998
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,266
fall.

999
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,233
we can take any questions you

1000
00:28:50,366 --> 00:28:52,766
have at this time.

1001
00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:53,333
I also wanted to acknowledge

1002
00:28:52,866 --> 00:28:55,166
that there's representatives

1003
00:28:53,433 --> 00:28:57,166
from sherman associates here

1004
00:28:55,266 --> 00:28:57,900
as well today.

1005
00:28:57,266 --> 00:28:59,566
so, yes.

1006
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,333
happy to answer any questions.

1007
00:28:59,733 --> 00:29:02,533
» Thank you so much, staff,

1008
00:29:01,433 --> 00:29:06,033
for your presentation of the

1009
00:29:02,633 --> 00:29:07,766
project and also information

1010
00:29:06,133 --> 00:29:11,366
about t.I.f.

1011
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,266
on this we will -- it's a

1012
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,233
public hearing, so we will

1013
00:29:12,366 --> 00:29:15,633
open the public hearing and

1014
00:29:14,333 --> 00:29:16,966
see if there's anyone who

1015
00:29:15,733 --> 00:29:21,666
would like to speak on this

1016
00:29:17,066 --> 00:29:22,966
item.I'm seeing no one.

1017
00:29:21,866 --> 00:29:23,200
I will close the public

1018
00:29:23,066 --> 00:29:24,933
hearing.

1019
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:27,666
and I see a few council

1020
00:29:25,033 --> 00:29:28,166
members who have a comment or

1021
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,733
question.

1022
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:33,033
I have council member chavez.

1023
00:29:31,833 --> 00:29:34,133
» Thank you, chair osman.

1024
00:29:33,133 --> 00:29:35,000
I wouldirst like to mention

1025
00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:37,200
that building more housing is

1026
00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:39,200
a good thing and that I would

1027
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,833
rather build more housing in

1028
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:42,233
downtown minneapolis while

1029
00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:43,633
making it more family friendly

1030
00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:43,900
than being out data centers in

1031
00:29:43,733 --> 00:29:46,100
downtown.

1032
00:29:44,133 --> 00:29:48,033
I think it's important that we

1033
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,333
should focus on our efforts on

1034
00:29:48,133 --> 00:29:50,100
building housing for people in

1035
00:29:49,433 --> 00:29:50,933
our city rather than building

1036
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,100
it for data centers.

1037
00:29:51,066 --> 00:29:54,266
so I just wanted to mention

1038
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,466
that first.

1039
00:29:54,433 --> 00:29:57,233
I guess for staff, I was

1040
00:29:55,966 --> 00:29:58,100
wondering if you could please

1041
00:29:57,333 --> 00:29:59,700
confirm that no data center is

1042
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,266
going to be a part of this

1043
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,333
housing project at all.

1044
00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:04,466
I would jus like to know

1045
00:30:01,433 --> 00:30:07,200
that.

1046
00:30:04,833 --> 00:30:08,733
» Did chair osman, council

1047
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,733
member chavez, no data center

1048
00:30:08,833 --> 00:30:10,233
will be part of this project.

1049
00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:11,200
» Thank you.

1050
00:30:10,333 --> 00:30:12,533
I wanted to make sure.

1051
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:13,300
just want to get it on record.

1052
00:30:12,616 --> 00:30:14,500
and I'm going to have a

1053
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,700
variety of questions for city

1054
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,800
staff.

1055
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,233
can you please confirm the ami

1056
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,433
breakdown for the public to

1057
00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:22,233
know?

1058
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,700
I have the number, but I just

1059
00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:24,900
want to get it confirmed for

1060
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,300
the public and people watching

1061
00:30:26,066 --> 00:30:31,133
at home.

1062
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,900
» Chair osman, council member

1063
00:30:31,233 --> 00:30:37,933
chavez, the breakdown is 210

1064
00:30:32,983 --> 00:30:38,366
units at 60% ami and 22 units

1065
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,766
at market rate.

1066
00:30:39,633 --> 00:30:45,033
» And what does cped

1067
00:30:41,866 --> 00:30:45,366
interpret that 60% ami income

1068
00:30:45,133 --> 00:30:46,566
range to be?

1069
00:30:45,466 --> 00:30:47,533
» I don't have the numbers in

1070
00:30:46,666 --> 00:30:49,533
front of me.

1071
00:30:48,066 --> 00:30:50,400
» I'll ask other questions if

1072
00:30:49,633 --> 00:30:52,033
folks would be able to figure

1073
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,133
that out, at least before the

1074
00:30:52,133 --> 00:30:54,666
meeting ends, that would be

1075
00:30:53,233 --> 00:30:56,633
helpful.

1076
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,666
do you know under this

1077
00:30:56,733 --> 00:31:00,833
development project how long,

1078
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,500
is it going to be forever that

1079
00:31:00,933 --> 00:31:04,866
it'soing to be at 60% ami or

1080
00:31:03,933 --> 00:31:05,733
is it a specific amount of

1081
00:31:04,966 --> 00:31:07,733
years that it's going to be

1082
00:31:05,833 --> 00:31:10,466
required toe at 60% ami?

1083
00:31:08,233 --> 00:31:11,300
» So under the city tax

1084
00:31:10,566 --> 00:31:14,000
credit requirements, it will

1085
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,800
be a minimum of 30 years.

1086
00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:17,300
» Do you know what's going to

1087
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:18,366
happen, is there any

1088
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,366
conversations with the

1089
00:31:18,466 --> 00:31:21,766
developer on what's going to

1090
00:31:19,466 --> 00:31:22,100
happen after those 30 years

1091
00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:23,500
pass?

1092
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,033
are they going to keep it at

1093
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,666
that level?

1094
00:31:26,133 --> 00:31:31,366
» So typically tax credit

1095
00:31:29,766 --> 00:31:33,366
runs a minimum of 40 years.

1096
00:31:31,466 --> 00:31:35,100
I can confirm and follow up

1097
00:31:33,466 --> 00:31:36,100
after the meeting on the tax

1098
00:31:35,233 --> 00:31:37,433
edit scoring, there's an

1099
00:31:36,233 --> 00:31:39,500
tion to get additiol

1100
00:31:37,533 --> 00:31:40,800
points for extendedaffordabilit.

1101
00:31:39,666 --> 00:31:42,133
I don't have the details of

1102
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,566
that scoring in front of me.

1103
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,433
» Yeah.

1104
00:31:42,666 --> 00:31:46,600
and I guess I'm asking more

1105
00:31:44,533 --> 00:31:47,800
of, like, has a developer at

1106
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,566
least communicated with staff

1107
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,233
what their pla would be

1108
00:31:48,666 --> 00:31:52,300
after that?

1109
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,300
and not necessarily -- yes,

1110
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,600
they're going to get some tax

1111
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,466
breaks here, but I guess my

1112
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,633
question is, has the developer

1113
00:31:56,566 --> 00:31:58,866
made a decision on what

1114
00:31:57,733 --> 00:31:59,200
happens after 30 years or even

1115
00:31:58,966 --> 00:32:02,100
40 years?

1116
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:02,366
» W have the developer

1117
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,766
available.

1118
00:32:02,466 --> 00:32:06,500
chris.

1119
00:32:04,866 --> 00:32:09,366
come on up.

1120
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,233
» Chair osman, committee

1121
00:32:09,466 --> 00:32:13,733
members, to answer that

1122
00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:15,500
question, we're actually right

1123
00:32:13,833 --> 00:32:16,800
now facing a similar decision

1124
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,700
with two properties in

1125
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,966
northeast minneapolis,

1126
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,966
bottineau commons, bottineau

1127
00:32:19,066 --> 00:32:22,166
lots of, that we developed 25

1128
00:32:20,066 --> 00:32:23,933
years ago.

1129
00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:25,766
and the decision we're making,

1130
00:32:24,033 --> 00:32:26,900
we're re-upping another 40

1131
00:32:25,866 --> 00:32:28,400
years of affordability, that

1132
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,400
will extend out the

1133
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:29,600
affordability at least 55

1134
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:30,500
years.

1135
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,233
so similar with grain

1136
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,433
exchange, as we get 20 years

1137
00:32:32,333 --> 00:32:34,900
out from now, which I'll

1138
00:32:33,533 --> 00:32:35,966
probably be back up in front

1139
00:32:35,033 --> 00:32:37,400
in 20 years making a request

1140
00:32:36,633 --> 00:32:38,266
to reinvest more heavily back

1141
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,033
into the apartments.

1142
00:32:38,366 --> 00:32:41,866
we'll comeack in, and we'll

1143
00:32:40,133 --> 00:32:42,366
probably re-up an

1144
00:32:41,966 --> 00:32:43,433
affordability long term.

1145
00:32:42,466 --> 00:32:44,400
that's been our general

1146
00:32:43,533 --> 00:32:45,833
practice to maintain

1147
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,466
affordability long term,

1148
00:32:45,933 --> 00:32:48,133
high-quality housing,

1149
00:32:47,566 --> 00:32:50,000
generational housing.

1150
00:32:48,966 --> 00:32:50,633
we do not want to take

1151
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:50,866
affordable housing off the

1152
00:32:50,733 --> 00:32:53,166
market.

1153
00:32:51,033 --> 00:32:54,466
we want to keep it high

1154
00:32:53,266 --> 00:32:56,833
quality, long term.

1155
00:32:54,866 --> 00:32:57,766
so 20 to 25, 30 years from now

1156
00:32:56,933 --> 00:32:59,733
I suspect we'll be back in

1157
00:32:57,866 --> 00:33:01,900
front of the council re-upping

1158
00:32:59,816 --> 00:33:03,566
long term for another 30 years

1159
00:33:02,833 --> 00:33:04,000
on affordability with grain

1160
00:33:03,666 --> 00:33:07,166
exchange.

1161
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,366
» Suspect you will?

1162
00:33:07,283 --> 00:33:09,866
» We fully plan to.

1163
00:33:08,733 --> 00:33:10,766
» Okay, just wanted toake

1164
00:33:09,966 --> 00:33:11,433
sure.

1165
00:33:10,866 --> 00:33:13,200
thank you, chair.

1166
00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:15,033
I guess for staff, a question,

1167
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:16,166
just because I think t.I.f.

1168
00:33:15,133 --> 00:33:17,700
districts or piece meelg

1169
00:33:16,266 --> 00:33:18,900
t.I.f. Districts, I think it's

1170
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,866
important for the public to

1171
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,633
better understand how this

1172
00:33:20,966 --> 00:33:22,066
works.

1173
00:33:21,733 --> 00:33:23,266
piecemealing.

1174
00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:24,900
what's happened, if let's just

1175
00:33:23,366 --> 00:33:25,800
say, and I hope this doesn't

1176
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
happen, because I want these

1177
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,166
buildings to be full and I

1178
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,966
want more people that live in

1179
00:33:29,266 --> 00:33:32,466
these units.

1180
00:33:30,066 --> 00:33:33,333
what happens if the project

1181
00:33:32,566 --> 00:33:34,633
underperforms or if people

1182
00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:36,066
aren't renting it out and the

1183
00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:37,066
bonds aren't repaid on

1184
00:33:36,166 --> 00:33:37,600
schedule, does that impact the

1185
00:33:37,166 --> 00:33:38,466
city?

1186
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:38,700
my understanding is that it

1187
00:33:38,566 --> 00:33:39,666
doesn't.

1188
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,066
but I would like to understand

1189
00:33:39,766 --> 00:33:44,033
what that means for the city.>>.

1190
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:44,600
chair osman, council member

1191
00:33:44,133 --> 00:33:45,700
chavez, thank you for the

1192
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:47,666
question.

1193
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,600
you are correct that the city

1194
00:33:47,766 --> 00:33:53,800
is not at risk of a debt

1195
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:54,433
payment issue if the project

1196
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,633
underpforms.

1197
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:58,300
the city in this case is issue

1198
00:33:57,133 --> 00:34:00,566
a paygo t.I.f. Note so the

1199
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,566
risk for any variation from

1200
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,300
what we're currently

1201
00:34:01,666 --> 00:34:03,300
projecting lies with the

1202
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,300
developer.

1203
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,733
» Okay, thank you.

1204
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,800
and then the last few

1205
00:34:05,833 --> 00:34:08,366
questions that I have here is

1206
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,433
that given that this is really

1207
00:34:08,466 --> 00:34:11,100
focused in downtown in

1208
00:34:10,533 --> 00:34:12,500
higher-income areas in our

1209
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,200
city, I guess a question for

1210
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,016
cped that I have is, what is

1211
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,633
cped doing to bring more

1212
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:19,633
investments into our cultural

1213
00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:21,266
corridors with this kind of

1214
00:34:19,733 --> 00:34:22,033
t.I.f. District or

1215
00:34:21,366 --> 00:34:23,700
piecemealing t.I.f. Districts

1216
00:34:22,133 --> 00:34:25,266
into our city?

1217
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,566
where else is this used in

1218
00:34:25,366 --> 00:34:27,400
minneapolis?

1219
00:34:25,666 --> 00:34:29,266
I would love to get a

1220
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:32,633
breakdown on that as well.

1221
00:34:29,433 --> 00:34:34,700
I think my thing is, you see

1222
00:34:32,733 --> 00:34:36,566
$39 million in tax, whatever

1223
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,866
you want to call t and you

1224
00:34:36,666 --> 00:34:39,000
think, my constituents see

1225
00:34:37,966 --> 00:34:41,266
that, where ee is that being

1226
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:43,366
used in our city?

1227
00:34:41,366 --> 00:34:45,166
are we talking about different

1228
00:34:43,466 --> 00:34:47,100
zones in minneapolis, like on

1229
00:34:45,566 --> 00:34:48,266
lake street, 38th street,

1230
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,600
franklin avenue, west

1231
00:34:48,366 --> 00:34:51,366
broadway, you name it?

1232
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:53,866
so, yeah.

1233
00:34:51,533 --> 00:34:55,033
» Chair osman, council member

1234
00:34:53,966 --> 00:34:56,500
chavez, is your question

1235
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:58,700
specific to housing revenue

1236
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,233
bonds or tax increment

1237
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,500
financing ten?

1238
00:34:59,633 --> 00:35:01,733
» T.I.f., I guess, either/or,

1239
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,166
both.

1240
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:07,333
I know there's t.I.f., there's

1241
00:35:03,266 --> 00:35:10,300
like less money on tha but I

1242
00:35:07,433 --> 00:35:11,066
guess both -- both.

1243
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,066
there's many votes that are

1244
00:35:11,166 --> 00:35:12,333
happening right now so I would

1245
00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:14,133
say both.

1246
00:35:12,566 --> 00:35:15,233
» The housing revenue bonds

1247
00:35:14,233 --> 00:35:16,666
are a tool that are paired

1248
00:35:15,333 --> 00:35:20,700
with a housing tax credit.

1249
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:22,333
so we have a lot of projects.

1250
00:35:20,866 --> 00:35:23,566
we close both new construction

1251
00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:27,466
an rehab every year acro

1252
00:35:23,666 --> 00:35:28,700
the city.typically those ared wh

1253
00:35:27,566 --> 00:35:29,900
our -- paired with our

1254
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,866
affordable housing trust fund

1255
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,166
which does prioritize projects

1256
00:35:31,966 --> 00:35:34,800
within cultural corridors.

1257
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,033
I also -- I did -- I do have

1258
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,000
the numbers here for your

1259
00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:42,033
previous question around ami,

1260
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:45,100
and I can answer that now.

1261
00:35:42,433 --> 00:35:46,433
so for 60% I household,

1262
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,000
that's up to a family of four,

1263
00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:51,100
the allowable income would be

1264
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,766
up to $78,900.

1265
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,266
for a family of two, it would

1266
00:35:55,366 --> 00:35:59,800
be $63,100.

1267
00:35:57,366 --> 00:36:01,433
and I'll let matthew answer

1268
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,533
around the t.I.f.

1269
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,900
» Tough the chair, council

1270
00:36:03,633 --> 00:36:07,866
member chavez, in terms of

1271
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,400
geography of use of t.I.f.,

1272
00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:12,366
t.I.f. Is a citywide tool, and

1273
00:36:09,566 --> 00:36:13,700
we look at use of t.I.f. On a

1274
00:36:12,466 --> 00:36:15,000
case-by-case basis because

1275
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,466
each district needs to meet

1276
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,000
the state statutory

1277
00:36:16,566 --> 00:36:19,266
requirements.

1278
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,700
but it's absolutely available

1279
00:36:19,366 --> 00:36:20,566
citywide.

1280
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,433
and we could follow up with

1281
00:36:20,666 --> 00:36:23,333
your office and send a map of

1282
00:36:22,533 --> 00:36:23,633
current t.I.f. Districts, if

1283
00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:25,833
you'd like.

1284
00:36:23,933 --> 00:36:27,766
» Yeah, that would be

1285
00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:29,566
helpful, of, like, where we

1286
00:36:27,866 --> 00:36:31,300
usually use t.I.f. Districts,

1287
00:36:29,666 --> 00:36:33,500
how it's applied, how often do

1288
00:36:32,033 --> 00:36:34,900
we use it, areas in our city,

1289
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,433
maybe the past few years.

1290
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,866
so that would be super

1291
00:36:36,533 --> 00:36:38,400
helpful.

1292
00:36:36,966 --> 00:36:40,133
I'll be voting for this today.

1293
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,366
I just had a lot of questions

1294
00:36:40,233 --> 00:36:42,033
that I think a lot of my

1295
00:36:41,466 --> 00:36:43,466
constituents are just asking

1296
00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:44,000
when they see this item

1297
00:36:43,566 --> 00:36:46,300
brought before us.

1298
00:36:44,166 --> 00:36:47,533
as I mentioned earlier, I am a

1299
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,966
big supporter of building more

1300
00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,933
housing.I think building more hg

1301
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:52,433
is really important.

1302
00:36:50,033 --> 00:36:53,633
I'd rather build more housing

1303
00:36:52,533 --> 00:36:54,733
downtown than data centers.

1304
00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:56,000
that's just something that I

1305
00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:57,500
will kp on naming because

1306
00:36:56,666 --> 00:36:59,566
am concerned that downtown is

1307
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,033
going to become a place of

1308
00:36:59,666 --> 00:37:02,566
just data centers instead of

1309
00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:03,600
housing and a family-friendly

1310
00:37:02,666 --> 00:37:05,266
downtown.

1311
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:07,700
but I'll support this today

1312
00:37:05,366 --> 00:37:08,900
and I just hope that in the

1313
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,066
future if we're going to be

1314
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,233
using this tool that we

1315
00:37:12,166 --> 00:37:13,666
prioritize more deeply

1316
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:17,433
affordable housing.

1317
00:37:15,633 --> 00:37:18,433
I think that hearing the

1318
00:37:17,533 --> 00:37:19,833
salary income range is still

1319
00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:21,133
going to be hard for, you

1320
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:23,766
know, folks that are

1321
00:37:21,233 --> 00:37:24,900
struggling to make it by to

1322
00:37:23,866 --> 00:37:25,866
live in downwn.

1323
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400
so, just want to make those

1324
00:37:25,966 --> 00:37:28,700
comments.

1325
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:31,033
» All right.

1326
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,333
thank you, council member

1327
00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:33,200
chavez.

1328
00:37:31,433 --> 00:37:33,800
I will recognize next council

1329
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:34,633
member rainville.

1330
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:35,900
» Thank you, chair.

1331
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,800
I don't have any comments

1332
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
about data centers.

1333
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,000
I'm going to stick to the

1334
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:40,533
germe here and talk about --

1335
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,200
» Tnk you.

1336
00:37:41,366 --> 00:37:42,966
» -- this project.

1337
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:43,166
but I wanted to thank our

1338
00:37:43,066 --> 00:37:44,933
staff.

1339
00:37:43,266 --> 00:37:46,800
this is really hard work to

1340
00:37:45,033 --> 00:37:48,566
get all these numbers to match

1341
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:52,100
up and keep going back and

1342
00:37:48,666 --> 00:37:53,800
forth with the developer.

1343
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,966
this project started two terms

1344
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:55,766
ago.

1345
00:37:54,066 --> 00:37:57,500
I want to thank the developers

1346
00:37:55,866 --> 00:37:58,933
for your -- you are the best

1347
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,466
at providing housing for those

1348
00:37:59,033 --> 00:38:02,566
who least can afford it.

1349
00:38:01,566 --> 00:38:03,766
you've shown that time and

1350
00:38:02,666 --> 00:38:04,666
time again in this city.

1351
00:38:03,866 --> 00:38:04,966
your heart is in the right

1352
00:38:04,766 --> 00:38:06,300
place.

1353
00:38:05,066 --> 00:38:07,800
and I really appreciate what

1354
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,133
you're doing to help those who

1355
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:09,566
are less fortunate in our

1356
00:38:09,233 --> 00:38:10,466
city.

1357
00:38:09,666 --> 00:38:11,866
so thank you very much.

1358
00:38:10,633 --> 00:38:12,866
I will be voting for this

1359
00:38:11,966 --> 00:38:15,200
today.

1360
00:38:12,966 --> 00:38:15,466
» Thank you, council member

1361
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:16,900
rainville.

1362
00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,400
I recognize council member

1363
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
shaffer, and hopefully she'll

1364
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:19,666
make the motion, too.

1365
00:38:19,166 --> 00:38:20,866
» Sure.

1366
00:38:19,766 --> 00:38:22,700
I'll just say thank you as

1367
00:38:20,966 --> 00:38:24,566
well.

1368
00:38:23,433 --> 00:38:25,566
in a time where there's many

1369
00:38:24,666 --> 00:38:26,633
places to invest your money, I

1370
00:38:25,666 --> 00:38:27,700
want to say personally thank

1371
00:38:26,733 --> 00:38:28,500
you for investing in

1372
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,933
affordable housing in the city

1373
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,666
of minneapolis.

1374
00:38:30,033 --> 00:38:32,133
that matters.

1375
00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:34,266
your track record matters.

1376
00:38:32,233 --> 00:38:36,700
and you matter to this city.

1377
00:38:34,366 --> 00:38:39,333
and, so, thankful to cped for

1378
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,300
your willingness to cobble all

1379
00:38:39,433 --> 00:38:41,633
these things together and for

1380
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,333
your perseverence in putting

1381
00:38:41,733 --> 00:38:43,933
this deal together.

1382
00:38:43,433 --> 00:38:46,100
because I think a lot of

1383
00:38:44,033 --> 00:38:49,233
people are going to benefit,

1384
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,700
and I'm thrilled to see that

1385
00:38:49,333 --> 00:38:51,166
reality start to happen even

1386
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,566
this fall.

1387
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:53,133
so thank you for the quick

1388
00:38:52,666 --> 00:38:57,600
timetable.

1389
00:38:53,233 --> 00:38:59,033
and with that, I will make the

1390
00:38:57,733 --> 00:39:00,433
tion to move forward the

1391
00:38:59,133 --> 00:39:01,966
grain exchang conversion

1392
00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:03,866
project fancing.

1393
00:39:02,366 --> 00:39:04,733
» Second.

1394
00:39:03,966 --> 00:39:07,233
» Thank you so much.

1395
00:39:05,233 --> 00:39:08,066
I will also make a comment

1396
00:39:07,333 --> 00:39:13,166
here.

1397
00:39:09,833 --> 00:39:13,633
I really appreciate the

1398
00:39:13,266 --> 00:39:15,333
developers' thinking.

1399
00:39:13,733 --> 00:39:15,800
this is something to

1400
00:39:15,433 --> 00:39:17,600
celebrate.

1401
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,800
we talk about this conversion

1402
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,466
plan in our downtown,

1403
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:22,566
especially after the covid and

1404
00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:24,100
things are changing around.

1405
00:39:22,966 --> 00:39:25,400
so this will be really a good

1406
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,366
model for the city of

1407
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:31,566
minneapolis to follow, to

1408
00:39:29,466 --> 00:39:33,500
bring people into downtown,

1409
00:39:31,666 --> 00:39:37,866
they're close to work, a place

1410
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:41,866
for folks to afford, and I did

1411
00:39:37,966 --> 00:39:44,266
talk to the developers to

1412
00:39:41,966 --> 00:39:45,466
really even get more deeply

1413
00:39:44,366 --> 00:39:47,633
affordable housing, and they

1414
00:39:45,566 --> 00:39:49,366
say they will look into it.

1415
00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:50,933
but also the exciting part

1416
00:39:49,466 --> 00:39:54,766
about it is there will be

1417
00:39:51,033 --> 00:39:55,633
commercial space in the area

1418
00:39:54,866 --> 00:39:58,033
where across e street from

1419
00:39:55,733 --> 00:39:58,900
here, you know, very short

1420
00:39:58,133 --> 00:40:00,533
distance for the people that

1421
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,800
work in this blding to kind

1422
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:06,266
of go and really enjoy that

1423
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:08,233
place.

1424
00:40:06,366 --> 00:40:12,000
so, super excited for this

1425
00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:13,766
project and can't wait for the

1426
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,400
ribbon cutting when this will

1427
00:40:13,866 --> 00:40:15,833
open.

1428
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,366
with that motion, all those in

1429
00:40:15,933 --> 00:40:17,700
favor say aye.

1430
00:40:16,466 --> 00:40:19,466
[ members voting ]

1431
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,033
and those opposed say nay.

1432
00:40:19,666 --> 00:40:21,300
[ no response heard ]

1433
00:40:20,133 --> 00:40:21,766
the ayes have it and the

1434
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,733
motion carries.

1435
00:40:21,866 --> 00:40:27,466
thank you so much.

1436
00:40:23,833 --> 00:40:31,166
all right.

1437
00:40:27,566 --> 00:40:31,666
next item it's a

1438
00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:34,133
quasi-judicial hearing.

1439
00:40:31,766 --> 00:40:37,100
before we begin, if the

1440
00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:39,400
apicant is here to testify,

1441
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,533
you'll be granted five minutes

1442
00:40:39,566 --> 00:40:45,066
to address this committee.

1443
00:40:42,766 --> 00:40:47,766
all other testifiers will be

1444
00:40:45,166 --> 00:40:51,200
given two minutes to address.

1445
00:40:47,866 --> 00:40:52,266
with that, this item is a

1446
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:55,800
variance appeal submitted by

1447
00:40:52,366 --> 00:40:56,433
the property at 4710 humboldt

1448
00:40:55,900 --> 00:41:01,066
avenue north.

1449
00:40:58,466 --> 00:41:01,833
I will invite myles campo from

1450
00:41:01,166 --> 00:41:03,900
cped to give us more

1451
00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:04,433
information about this item.

1452
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,866
welcome, sir.

1453
00:41:04,533 --> 00:41:07,533
» Thank you, chair osman,

1454
00:41:05,966 --> 00:41:08,233
board members -- or committee

1455
00:41:07,633 --> 00:41:10,333
members, excuse me.

1456
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:11,766
so this item, 4710 bum holdt

1457
00:41:10,433 --> 00:41:14,166
avenue north, as mentioned, is

1458
00:41:11,916 --> 00:41:15,700
an appeal of a decision by the

1459
00:41:14,266 --> 00:41:18,466
zoning board of adjustment

1460
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,100
back in may when that meeting

1461
00:41:18,566 --> 00:41:20,966
was held.

1462
00:41:19,366 --> 00:41:22,400
so the variance in this case

1463
00:41:21,066 --> 00:41:23,800
was regarding a trash

1464
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:25,233
enclosure to the rear of an

1465
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,466
existing eight-unit apartment

1466
00:41:25,333 --> 00:41:27,800
building at 4710 humboldt

1467
00:41:27,566 --> 00:41:29,733
avenue north.

1468
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:31,366
you can see on the screen here

1469
00:41:29,833 --> 00:41:33,766
that existing lot, it's a bit

1470
00:41:31,666 --> 00:41:35,633
of a funky shape, being

1471
00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,266
located on humboldt avenue and

1472
00:41:35,733 --> 00:41:38,700
shingle creek parkway.

1473
00:41:36,366 --> 00:41:39,800
the parking and the trash

1474
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000
enclosure, as it were, are

1475
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:42,533
both located to the rear of

1476
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:43,500
the building off of of the

1477
00:41:42,633 --> 00:41:45,033
alley itself.

1478
00:41:43,666 --> 00:41:46,366
so you can see here, these are

1479
00:41:45,133 --> 00:41:49,200
existing conditions on the

1480
00:41:46,466 --> 00:41:50,400
site from earlier this spring.

1481
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:51,800
trying to give a bit of a

1482
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,033
view of that entire parking

1483
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,566
area.

1484
00:41:52,133 --> 00:41:54,466
so, again, currently there are

1485
00:41:53,666 --> 00:41:55,666
eight spaces available for

1486
00:41:54,566 --> 00:41:56,800
those eight residents in the

1487
00:41:55,766 --> 00:41:58,200
building.

1488
00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:01,066
there are a couple of other

1489
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,266
kind of impediments in

1490
00:42:01,166 --> 00:42:02,700
providing screening for that

1491
00:42:02,366 --> 00:42:04,133
dumpster.

1492
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,666
so, again, the dumpster is

1493
00:42:04,233 --> 00:42:07,966
located on the far, kind of

1494
00:42:05,766 --> 00:42:11,600
north end of the parking area.

1495
00:42:08,466 --> 00:42:12,666
it is bracketed by some mature

1496
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,800
trees, as well as utility

1497
00:42:12,766 --> 00:42:15,533
poles on both sides of that

1498
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,066
parking area, which

1499
00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:19,900
potentially would need to be

1500
00:42:17,166 --> 00:42:21,100
modified in conjunction with

1501
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,433
xcel energy, if the applicant

1502
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,466
needed more space to enclose

1503
00:42:22,533 --> 00:42:26,366
that dumpster itself.

1504
00:42:25,566 --> 00:42:28,100
again, they can certainly

1505
00:42:26,466 --> 00:42:29,766
enclose it by moving into in

1506
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,600
one of those parking spaces

1507
00:42:29,866 --> 00:42:32,266
and thereby lose that parking

1508
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,600
area.

1509
00:42:32,366 --> 00:42:36,333
ideally, they would like to

1510
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:37,333
keep a one-to-one ratio for

1511
00:42:36,433 --> 00:42:37,600
their parking and their

1512
00:42:37,433 --> 00:42:38,733
residents.

1513
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,033
you can see that it already is

1514
00:42:38,833 --> 00:42:45,166
beginning to kind of encroach

1515
00:42:40,133 --> 00:42:46,166
into that eighth space.

1516
00:42:45,266 --> 00:42:47,200
one of the things that staff

1517
00:42:46,266 --> 00:42:48,566
really does want to highlight

1518
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:49,766
in terms of context, we'll

1519
00:42:48,666 --> 00:42:50,433
talk a bit more about the

1520
00:42:49,866 --> 00:42:51,733
findings that need to be met

1521
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:54,266
for a variance, one thing that

1522
00:42:51,933 --> 00:42:54,833
we always look at is are there

1523
00:42:54,366 --> 00:42:55,500
unique circumstances to the

1524
00:42:54,933 --> 00:42:56,700
property that cause the need

1525
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,966
for a variance or cause the

1526
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,266
need for kind of a discretion

1527
00:43:00,066 --> 00:43:02,933
from the code itself.

1528
00:43:01,366 --> 00:43:04,133
so in this case, again,

1529
00:43:03,033 --> 00:43:05,766
located at the corner of

1530
00:43:04,233 --> 00:43:06,666
humboldt and shingle creek

1531
00:43:05,866 --> 00:43:09,166
parkway.

1532
00:43:06,766 --> 00:43:10,600
humboldt itself has parking

1533
00:43:09,266 --> 00:43:11,500
restrictions all along it,

1534
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,100
north and south.

1535
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,300
and then there is a bus stop

1536
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,066
directly in front of this

1537
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,133
building.

1538
00:43:16,166 --> 00:43:18,266
so anything there with a red

1539
00:43:17,233 --> 00:43:18,800
line would be no street

1540
00:43:18,366 --> 00:43:21,233
parking allowed.

1541
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:23,400
there is at least one space on

1542
00:43:21,333 --> 00:43:24,933
kind of the same block as the

1543
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:25,933
apartment building itself, and

1544
00:43:25,033 --> 00:43:27,900
then on the opposite side of

1545
00:43:26,033 --> 00:43:28,166
the street there is parking

1546
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,300
available.

1547
00:43:28,266 --> 00:43:29,866
one thing that happen the

1548
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,400
applicant noted in their

1549
00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:32,700
materials to the board of

1550
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:34,566
adjustment is just to the

1551
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:35,966
southwest, you can see in this

1552
00:43:34,666 --> 00:43:36,766
image, there's a number of

1553
00:43:36,066 --> 00:43:38,966
industrial uses that have a

1554
00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:40,700
lot of truck traffic that go

1555
00:43:39,066 --> 00:43:41,033
and take this turn between the

1556
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,533
two streets.

1557
00:43:41,133 --> 00:43:45,900
you can see from that aerial

1558
00:43:44,633 --> 00:43:47,866
imagery from the county that

1559
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,300
those trucks do take a very

1560
00:43:47,966 --> 00:43:49,400
wide turn.

1561
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,500
there have been a couple of

1562
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:51,833
accidents on that street

1563
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,266
related to trucks hitting

1564
00:43:51,933 --> 00:43:55,133
parked vehicles in the past.

1565
00:43:53,366 --> 00:43:55,866
so there was concern from the

1566
00:43:55,233 --> 00:43:57,200
applicant's perspective of

1567
00:43:55,966 --> 00:43:58,933
moving those residents on to

1568
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,700
street parking.

1569
00:43:59,033 --> 00:44:01,566
usually not something we talk

1570
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:03,233
a lot about with variances.

1571
00:44:01,666 --> 00:44:05,166
usually there is an

1572
00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:06,500
alternative option, but here

1573
00:44:05,266 --> 00:44:07,800
there definitely is a burden

1574
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,566
here on the property in terms

1575
00:44:08,333 --> 00:44:13,066
of parking available.

1576
00:44:10,666 --> 00:44:14,250
when this went to board of

1577
00:44:13,166 --> 00:44:16,233
adjustment, the staff, again,

1578
00:44:14,366 --> 00:44:17,700
felt that it did meet that

1579
00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:19,400
unique circumstances finding

1580
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,066
for a variance.

1581
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:22,166
however, variances require all

1582
00:44:21,166 --> 00:44:24,466
three findings of the

1583
00:44:22,266 --> 00:44:26,100
practical difficulties exam to

1584
00:44:24,566 --> 00:44:26,633
be met in order to be

1585
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,500
approved.

1586
00:44:26,733 --> 00:44:29,833
at the time staff did not feel

1587
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,466
like that this meant the

1588
00:44:29,933 --> 00:44:33,333
intent of the code.

1589
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,066
we require that dumpsters be

1590
00:44:33,433 --> 00:44:37,600
screened for apartment

1591
00:44:36,166 --> 00:44:38,566
buildings, to prevent the view

1592
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:40,333
from public streets or

1593
00:44:38,666 --> 00:44:41,966
residential uses, but it

1594
00:44:40,433 --> 00:44:43,933
serves a practical effect of

1595
00:44:42,066 --> 00:44:44,833
being a barrier from a

1596
00:44:44,033 --> 00:44:46,000
nonresident from dumping their

1597
00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:47,133
trash in that area, which

1598
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:48,433
seemed to have been an issue

1599
00:44:47,233 --> 00:44:51,266
in the past with this site.

1600
00:44:48,533 --> 00:44:52,166
similarly, again, the kind of

1601
00:44:51,366 --> 00:44:55,100
essential character, the

1602
00:44:52,266 --> 00:44:55,866
injury to detriment of

1603
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,666
surrounding property owners,

1604
00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:58,366
we noted at board of

1605
00:44:56,766 --> 00:45:00,033
adjustment that this had five

1606
00:44:58,466 --> 00:45:01,766
complaints since I believe

1607
00:45:00,133 --> 00:45:02,400
2002, specifically related to

1608
00:45:01,866 --> 00:45:02,700
garbage overflowing in the

1609
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:03,833
alley.

1610
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,066
so clearly there was a burden

1611
00:45:03,933 --> 00:45:06,200
being felt by adjacent

1612
00:45:05,166 --> 00:45:08,033
property owners.

1613
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,400
one thing that we noted at the

1614
00:45:08,133 --> 00:45:10,400
time, and this was something

1615
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:12,033
where staff and the board of

1616
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,133
adjustment were both under the

1617
00:45:12,133 --> 00:45:15,533
impression that we could not

1618
00:45:13,233 --> 00:45:16,700
set any sort of conditions

1619
00:45:15,633 --> 00:45:18,700
related to hiring a staff

1620
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,700
person on site, we have

1621
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,000
confirmed since that meeting

1622
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,866
with the city attorney's

1623
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,733
office that one option

1624
00:45:21,966 --> 00:45:26,900
available to you all would be

1625
00:45:24,866 --> 00:45:28,000
to condition the variance

1626
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
approval on the hiring or the

1627
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,733
maintaining of that site

1628
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,500
through something like a

1629
00:45:30,833 --> 00:45:34,233
live-in supervisor, a live

1630
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,866
199-in building manager.

1631
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:38,300
it's not probably staff's

1632
00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:39,500
first choice in terms of

1633
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800
managing compliance long term,

1634
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,900
right, there's not a lot of

1635
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,666
ways for us to ensure that

1636
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,866
requirement is being met 10,

1637
00:45:43,833 --> 00:45:46,533
15 years in the future.

1638
00:45:44,966 --> 00:45:47,033
this variance would run with

1639
00:45:46,633 --> 00:45:49,666
the land.

1640
00:45:47,133 --> 00:45:50,866
but it does seem to get at

1641
00:45:49,766 --> 00:45:52,533
those secondary points, right,

1642
00:45:50,966 --> 00:45:56,466
in terms of the intent of the

1643
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:57,533
ordinance being to manage that

1644
00:45:56,566 --> 00:45:59,200
potential blight and nuisance

1645
00:45:57,633 --> 00:46:02,066
from the trash and then the

1646
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,433
injury or detriment to other

1647
00:46:02,166 --> 00:46:04,466
property owners.

1648
00:46:02,533 --> 00:46:05,200
so with all that, I'm happy to

1649
00:46:04,566 --> 00:46:07,133
stand for questions.

1650
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:09,366
we also do have wayne carlson,

1651
00:46:07,233 --> 00:46:11,033
the property owner here, here,

1652
00:46:09,466 --> 00:46:11,766
available to speak on this

1653
00:46:11,133 --> 00:46:12,566
topic.

1654
00:46:12,183 --> 00:46:15,833
» Okay.

1655
00:46:12,666 --> 00:46:16,533
thank you so much, staff.

1656
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,500
I appreciate your

1657
00:46:16,633 --> 00:46:22,833
presentation.

1658
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,600
we will proceed to open the

1659
00:46:22,933 --> 00:46:25,666
public hearing and give the

1660
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:37,033
applicant a chance to speak

1661
00:46:25,766 --> 00:46:38,133
for five mines.

1662
00:46:37,533 --> 00:46:39,966
» Is this close enoh?

1663
00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:41,400
» Yes, please go ahead.

1664
00:46:40,066 --> 00:46:43,133
» I want to thank you for

1665
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,466
listening to me today.

1666
00:46:43,966 --> 00:46:45,000
» Please state your name.

1667
00:46:44,733 --> 00:46:45,566
» Pardon?

1668
00:46:45,166 --> 00:46:47,766
» State your name.

1669
00:46:45,933 --> 00:46:53,766
» I'm wayne carlson.

1670
00:46:47,866 --> 00:46:54,333
and I'm t owner of the

1671
00:46:53,866 --> 00:46:54,933
horner-carlson family

1672
00:46:54,433 --> 00:46:56,200
partnership and the building.

1673
00:46:55,133 --> 00:46:57,733
I want to thank you for

1674
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:58,800
listening to me, because to me

1675
00:46:57,833 --> 00:46:59,266
it's very critical what I'm

1676
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:00,133
talking about.

1677
00:46:59,366 --> 00:47:03,200
and I realize that all you

1678
00:47:00,233 --> 00:47:04,666
people have a lot of things on

1679
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:05,833
your agenda that are a lot

1680
00:47:04,766 --> 00:47:07,000
bigger than my issue.

1681
00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:11,400
and ihank you for listening

1682
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:13,366
to me today.

1683
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,700
I'm filing for an exemption to

1684
00:47:13,466 --> 00:47:19,400
the board ofdjustment for

1685
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,766
having a refuse container

1686
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:23,300
around my garbage container,

1687
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:26,733
and I'm doing this, the bottom

1688
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,366
line is having this surround

1689
00:47:26,833 --> 00:47:30,433
around my garbage container

1690
00:47:29,466 --> 00:47:30,900
has some unintended

1691
00:47:30,533 --> 00:47:33,200
consequences.

1692
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:38,200
and the basis for that is that

1693
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:39,433
all -- aut two of my eight

1694
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,866
parking spots -- I can't see

1695
00:47:39,533 --> 00:47:45,100
well.

1696
00:47:40,966 --> 00:47:46,433
are going to be taken up with

1697
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,066
this enclosure.

1698
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,833
and then I have -- I have

1699
00:47:49,166 --> 00:47:50,033
really three choices I can

1700
00:47:49,933 --> 00:47:51,666
make.

1701
00:47:50,133 --> 00:47:52,700
first of all, I can extend the

1702
00:47:51,766 --> 00:47:54,633
parking lot and it's going to

1703
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,366
cost about $138,000 to do

1704
00:47:54,733 --> 00:47:59,466
that.

1705
00:47:57,466 --> 00:48:00,766
number two, I can force two

1706
00:47:59,566 --> 00:48:02,666
tenants to park on the only

1707
00:48:00,866 --> 00:48:03,833
two parking spots available on

1708
00:48:02,766 --> 00:48:06,366
shingle creek parkway and

1709
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:07,700
making them vulnerable, a

1710
00:48:06,466 --> 00:48:09,100
dangerous turning corners for

1711
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,066
thousands of 18-wheelers.

1712
00:48:10,166 --> 00:48:12,833
or I can add -- third r

1713
00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:16,133
alternative is the one that

1714
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:17,100
I'm proposing that I can add

1715
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:18,500
to the management team, a

1716
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,533
person that would live in the

1717
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,466
builng -- a tenant that's in

1718
00:48:20,066 --> 00:48:23,800
the building and daily scan

1719
00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:27,733
the parking lot to make sure

1720
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:31,033
that there's no stray trash.

1721
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:33,633
in addition to that, I've

1722
00:48:31,133 --> 00:48:35,533
also -- at this point also

1723
00:48:33,733 --> 00:48:38,900
enlarged my container.

1724
00:48:35,633 --> 00:48:40,133
when I was before the board of

1725
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,433
adjustment, it seemed like

1726
00:48:40,233 --> 00:48:42,066
that wasn't a place for me to

1727
00:48:41,533 --> 00:48:44,700
really be.

1728
00:48:42,166 --> 00:48:46,133
and one of the ladies there,

1729
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,233
is it more important to have a

1730
00:48:46,233 --> 00:48:50,300
surround or to have control of

1731
00:48:47,333 --> 00:48:51,066
the rubbish?

1732
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:55,116
the initial ownership, I

1733
00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:57,000
bought this building, preive a

1734
00:48:55,233 --> 00:48:58,133
tax exchange -- preserve a tax

1735
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:58,600
exchange 25 years ago with the

1736
00:48:58,233 --> 00:48:59,633
understanding that the

1737
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:00,633
building was going to be taken

1738
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,966
as part of the greenway

1739
00:49:00,733 --> 00:49:02,166
project.

1740
00:49:01,366 --> 00:49:03,700
I understand that aer I

1741
00:49:02,266 --> 00:49:05,000
bought t the intention was

1742
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,000
chand when the neighbors

1743
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,066
insisted that the property be

1744
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:08,933
left as a buffer to the

1745
00:49:08,166 --> 00:49:12,666
intersection and the

1746
00:49:09,033 --> 00:49:14,533
commercial area.

1747
00:49:13,066 --> 00:49:16,400
my management, I manage the

1748
00:49:14,633 --> 00:49:18,033
property as a tier one

1749
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,566
property for 25 yea.

1750
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:22,000
I visit the building at least

1751
00:49:19,666 --> 00:49:25,466
once a week, cleaning the

1752
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:27,600
interiors, cutting the grass,

1753
00:49:25,566 --> 00:49:29,666
blowing the trash out of the

1754
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:31,100
parking lot.

1755
00:49:29,833 --> 00:49:32,433
I believe this way of managing

1756
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,300
gives me the ability to be on

1757
00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:34,933
the premises and see what's

1758
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,133
going on.

1759
00:49:35,033 --> 00:49:38,233
over the years, the refuse

1760
00:49:37,216 --> 00:49:39,633
handling has been changed from

1761
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:41,166
individual containers to

1762
00:49:39,733 --> 00:49:41,600
larger dumpsters to impro

1763
00:49:41,266 --> 00:49:46,333
the system.

1764
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:48,400
the two pictures taken by

1765
00:49:46,433 --> 00:49:49,700
stuart and I show here, by the

1766
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,266
city, shows a clean and

1767
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,800
orderly dumpste area.

1768
00:49:51,366 --> 00:49:55,533
all the neighbors that see the

1769
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:58,400
dumpster have sigd a letter

1770
00:49:55,633 --> 00:49:59,466
back when supporting me on

1771
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,333
leaving the dumpsters

1772
00:49:59,566 --> 00:50:03,100
initially.

1773
00:50:00,433 --> 00:50:04,066
my interaction with the

1774
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,833
council and inspection.

1775
00:50:04,166 --> 00:50:08,033
the inspection deparent

1776
00:50:06,933 --> 00:50:08,966
ordered that I provide a

1777
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:11,333
surround.

1778
00:50:09,066 --> 00:50:12,633
I appealed to the council

1779
00:50:11,433 --> 00:50:15,033
president and she told me she

1780
00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:16,800
had asked the inspector leave

1781
00:50:15,133 --> 00:50:18,433
me alonend I was a tier one

1782
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:20,166
landlord and she wanted to

1783
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:22,200
keep me in the neighborhood.

1784
00:50:20,566 --> 00:50:23,566
I talked to council member

1785
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,000
after that and she stressed

1786
00:50:23,666 --> 00:50:26,966
that in addition to my

1787
00:50:25,533 --> 00:50:29,266
hands-on management, I hire

1788
00:50:27,066 --> 00:50:30,166
somebody in the buildin to

1789
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,333
survise the rubbish

1790
00:50:30,266 --> 00:50:33,766
container on a daily basis.

1791
00:50:31,433 --> 00:50:34,900
I've done that, in addition

1792
00:50:33,866 --> 00:50:36,700
I've added a larger container

1793
00:50:35,033 --> 00:50:40,000
to take care of that.

1794
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,966
she recommended I try to

1795
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:42,400
appeal to veterans who might

1796
00:50:41,066 --> 00:50:43,033
have a little more respect for

1797
00:50:42,666 --> 00:50:45,566
my property.

1798
00:50:43,333 --> 00:50:46,900
I think this should solve the

1799
00:50:45,666 --> 00:50:49,300
problem of cleaning up the

1800
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,366
loose paper and plastic across

1801
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,900
the building.

1802
00:50:51,466 --> 00:50:54,533
keeping the parking amenity

1803
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,733
for the eight tenants requires

1804
00:50:54,633 --> 00:50:57,700
the parking lot to be extend

1805
00:50:55,833 --> 00:50:59,766
and paved for twoew spaces.

1806
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,333
it would require the moving of

1807
00:50:59,866 --> 00:51:05,500
one or possibly two utility

1808
00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:06,900
poles to create a new space.

1809
00:51:05,666 --> 00:51:08,066
it also require removal of

1810
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,300
large tree to the north, one

1811
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:10,600
to the south, and a hedge to

1812
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,033
the south.

1813
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,866
it requires the moving of

1814
00:51:12,133 --> 00:51:18,500
phone, electrical, and come

1815
00:51:15,966 --> 00:51:21,600
cast -- commissioner cast

1816
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,300
lines -- comcast at incredible

1817
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,733
cost.

1818
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,333
it's a cost of over $137,000.

1819
00:51:24,833 --> 00:51:27,166
this is beyond m financial

1820
00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:31,333
capabilities and most likely

1821
00:51:27,266 --> 00:51:32,300
force me to sell the property.

1822
00:51:31,433 --> 00:51:32,733
the minneapolis restricted

1823
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,166
parking.

1824
00:51:32,833 --> 00:51:35,700
there's no legal parking on

1825
00:51:34,266 --> 00:51:37,366
either side of the humboldt,

1826
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,666
which is the front of the

1827
00:51:37,466 --> 00:51:40,633
building, and on the side of

1828
00:51:38,766 --> 00:51:42,066
the building there's no

1829
00:51:40,733 --> 00:51:43,466
parkin because of the bus

1830
00:51:42,166 --> 00:51:46,333
stop.

1831
00:51:43,566 --> 00:51:48,333
there's basically one and a

1832
00:51:46,433 --> 00:51:49,366
half spots that people could

1833
00:51:48,433 --> 00:51:53,133
park there and tn that would

1834
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:53,466
be subject to a snow

1835
00:51:53,233 --> 00:51:55,100
emergency.

1836
00:51:53,566 --> 00:51:55,566
there's no parking to the

1837
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,666
north.

1838
00:51:55,666 --> 00:51:59,333
basically the's no parking

1839
00:51:57,066 --> 00:52:01,033
to any area around my building

1840
00:51:59,433 --> 00:52:02,233
on the north, south, east and

1841
00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:02,566
west, except these two parking

1842
00:52:02,333 --> 00:52:03,866
spots.

1843
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:04,333
» Sir, you've run out of

1844
00:52:03,966 --> 00:52:05,266
time.

1845
00:52:04,433 --> 00:52:09,766
if you can wrap it up, that

1846
00:52:05,366 --> 00:52:11,866
would be great.

1847
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:13,233
» Well, I was going to go

1848
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,500
in the parking on the treat

1849
00:52:13,333 --> 00:52:15,700
is unsafe of, because there's

1850
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,533
about 17,000 turns on that

1851
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,633
street, and there's been three

1852
00:52:17,633 --> 00:52:19,533
accidents in the last year

1853
00:52:18,966 --> 00:52:22,533
there th vehicles running

1854
00:52:19,633 --> 00:52:23,666
into my buildin

1855
00:52:22,633 --> 00:52:26,300
front's been blocked off to

1856
00:52:23,766 --> 00:52:27,600
vehicles and right now there's

1857
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:27,833
a bus sp that's knocked

1858
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:29,466
over.

1859
00:52:27,933 --> 00:52:33,200
so what I'm suggesting, and I

1860
00:52:29,566 --> 00:52:34,866
hope that you'll concur with

1861
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:36,733
this is that you allow me to

1862
00:52:34,966 --> 00:52:38,566
keep it the way it is and let

1863
00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:41,000
me go ahead with gting

1864
00:52:38,666 --> 00:52:41,966
someone in the building to

1865
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,533
help with the cleaning and

1866
00:52:42,066 --> 00:52:44,600
take care of that aspect.

1867
00:52:43,666 --> 00:52:48,966
I think this is probably the

1868
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:52,366
best interest of the city, the

1869
00:52:49,066 --> 00:52:53,466
tenants and the neighbors.

1870
00:52:52,466 --> 00:52:55,966
and I have -- all the things

1871
00:52:53,566 --> 00:52:57,100
I've discussed here are in

1872
00:52:56,066 --> 00:53:00,700
addendums, exhibits, so that

1873
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,466
you know that what I'm saying

1874
00:53:00,866 --> 00:53:01,900
is as the basis.

1875
00:53:01,566 --> 00:53:02,866
» Thank you.

1876
00:53:02,066 --> 00:53:03,866
» Thank you for your time.

1877
00:53:03,166 --> 00:53:04,966
» If you have any --

1878
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:07,700
» I have another question.

1879
00:53:05,133 --> 00:53:11,966
I just got a bill here for

1880
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:13,500
this project for $13,303.65.

1881
00:53:12,233 --> 00:53:14,600
I hav no idea what that'--

1882
00:53:13,666 --> 00:53:16,900
» From the city?

1883
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:17,400
we'll have staff to talk to

1884
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,866
you after the meeting.

1885
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:20,300
» Okay.

1886
00:53:18,366 --> 00:53:21,466
» If you have any documents

1887
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,133
you'd like to submit in

1888
00:53:21,566 --> 00:53:22,600
writing, you can give it to

1889
00:53:22,233 --> 00:53:26,266
the clerk.

1890
00:53:22,766 --> 00:53:26,500
we can have that in the

1891
00:53:26,366 --> 00:53:26,966
record.

1892
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,466
all right.

1893
00:53:27,066 --> 00:53:31,666
are there anyone who would

1894
00:53:29,566 --> 00:53:35,983
like to speak on this item?

1895
00:53:31,766 --> 00:53:37,533
seeing none, I will close the

1896
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:40,566
public hearing and recognize

1897
00:53:37,633 --> 00:53:40,866
vice chair crowdry.

1898
00:53:40,666 --> 00:53:42,366
chowdhury.

1899
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,566
» Thank you so much, chair

1900
00:53:42,466 --> 00:53:44,166
osman.

1901
00:53:42,666 --> 00:53:46,366
thank you, mr. Carlson, for

1902
00:53:44,266 --> 00:53:49,200
coming down to city hall and

1903
00:53:46,466 --> 00:53:51,600
writing your appeal.

1904
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:53,400
so, colleagues, just taking a

1905
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:56,233
look at the staff report on

1906
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:59,633
this, I think this situation

1907
00:53:56,333 --> 00:54:01,633
is, I would say, a little

1908
00:53:59,733 --> 00:54:05,233
highly unusual.

1909
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,333
I think, for me, it's very

1910
00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:09,700
hard to consider the granting

1911
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,366
of a variance when the code is

1912
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,100
straightforward.

1913
00:54:11,466 --> 00:54:16,600
however, the unique

1914
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,800
circumstances of the

1915
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,566
situation, I think the

1916
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,000
applicant really clearly laid

1917
00:54:19,666 --> 00:54:21,966
out.

1918
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:24,000
there's just -- it's just a

1919
00:54:22,066 --> 00:54:25,500
very tenuous corner for

1920
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:28,366
on-street parking, even if you

1921
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,100
did on-street parking, it

1922
00:54:28,833 --> 00:54:31,433
would go off in the vinter

1923
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,933
time and there have been

1924
00:54:31,533 --> 00:54:35,000
several accidents and then

1925
00:54:33,033 --> 00:54:36,233
also I think mr. Carlson, in

1926
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,533
your addendum you did a good

1927
00:54:36,333 --> 00:54:38,433
job of laying out the

1928
00:54:37,633 --> 00:54:39,600
financial hardship and that's

1929
00:54:38,533 --> 00:54:39,900
something that staff concurred

1930
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:44,266
with.

1931
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,466
and I know that council member

1932
00:54:44,366 --> 00:54:46,866
vita has been talking to you

1933
00:54:45,566 --> 00:54:48,766
and trying to figure out a

1934
00:54:46,966 --> 00:54:50,500
solution which commend you for

1935
00:54:48,866 --> 00:54:52,133
reaching out to your council

1936
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,666
member and figuring out what

1937
00:54:52,566 --> 00:54:54,633
works.

1938
00:54:52,766 --> 00:54:56,833
my one ask, to consider along

1939
00:54:54,733 --> 00:54:59,133
with hiring a supervisor is

1940
00:54:56,933 --> 00:55:00,233
making a plan for if the

1941
00:54:59,233 --> 00:55:01,566
dumpster overflows, right?

1942
00:55:00,333 --> 00:55:03,400
where would it go even if you

1943
00:55:01,666 --> 00:55:05,066
had an on-site person to come

1944
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,466
and pick it up?

1945
00:55:05,166 --> 00:55:09,966
I think that's really getting

1946
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,833
to the heart of kind of the

1947
00:55:10,066 --> 00:55:18,066
issue that residents have

1948
00:55:11,933 --> 00:55:19,366
complained about.

1949
00:55:18,166 --> 00:55:21,566
the motion that I'm going to

1950
00:55:19,466 --> 00:55:22,100
make is based off of what the

1951
00:55:21,666 --> 00:55:23,233
city attorney's office has

1952
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,733
said is allowable, which is

1953
00:55:23,333 --> 00:55:25,700
moving forward with the

1954
00:55:23,833 --> 00:55:29,333
variance with the condition

1955
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:33,916
that mr. Carlson hires an

1956
00:55:29,433 --> 00:55:34,800
on-site supervisor to to clean

1957
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:39,133
on a regular basis.

1958
00:55:36,766 --> 00:55:40,100
so I guess one question that

1959
00:55:39,233 --> 00:55:40,833
maybe I could ask the

1960
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:46,800
applicant, if that's all right

1961
00:55:40,933 --> 00:55:55,233
with you, sir, if you want to

1962
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:57,100
come up, mr. Carlson.

1963
00:55:55,533 --> 00:55:58,633
» My question for you, sir,

1964
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,700
is in addition to the on-site

1965
00:55:58,733 --> 00:56:01,500
supervisor being there, will

1966
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,433
you just commit to making a

1967
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,733
plan for maybe if there's

1968
00:56:04,533 --> 00:56:07,400
extra space needed for

1969
00:56:06,833 --> 00:56:08,733
overflowing trash?

1970
00:56:07,566 --> 00:56:09,266
I know someone will come and

1971
00:56:08,833 --> 00:56:10,566
clean it up.

1972
00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:14,333
but just making sure that

1973
00:56:10,666 --> 00:56:15,100
there's a way for communi

1974
00:56:14,433 --> 00:56:16,733
members in your building to

1975
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,033
know that there's a way to

1976
00:56:16,833 --> 00:56:23,166
address the situation as it

1977
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:25,900
occurs.

1978
00:56:23,466 --> 00:56:29,200
» I guess what I c say is

1979
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,400
this generally happens when

1980
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,800
someone has moved out.

1981
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:35,866
like in the last one I had

1982
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:37,133
moved out, I had an eight-yard

1983
00:56:35,966 --> 00:56:38,266
container come overnd we put

1984
00:56:37,233 --> 00:56:39,233
all the garbage in that

1985
00:56:38,366 --> 00:56:39,933
container and had it moved out

1986
00:56:39,333 --> 00:56:42,966
that way.

1987
00:56:41,833 --> 00:56:44,733
so I guess I think I've

1988
00:56:43,066 --> 00:56:47,466
answered your question by my

1989
00:56:44,833 --> 00:56:48,100
actions already.

1990
00:56:47,566 --> 00:56:49,100
have I answered it?

1991
00:56:48,316 --> 00:56:50,766
» In part.

1992
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:55,000
just making sure that -- I

1993
00:56:50,866 --> 00:56:56,433
think the goal is getting at

1994
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:58,233
ensuring that there's no

1995
00:56:56,533 --> 00:56:58,533
overflow of trash and trash on

1996
00:56:58,333 --> 00:56:59,500
the ground

1997
00:56:58,666 --> 00:57:01,900
it sounds like the prfers is

1998
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,300
going to help -- the

1999
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,100
supervisor is going to help

2000
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,833
with that, but making sure

2001
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,866
there's a way that folks can

2002
00:57:05,933 --> 00:57:08,900
understand that, that's how

2003
00:57:06,966 --> 00:57:10,666
they can address thesituation.

2004
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,666
just making it clear to your

2005
00:57:10,766 --> 00:57:13,200
tenants that this is available

2006
00:57:11,766 --> 00:57:14,300
to them.

2007
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,566
» What is available to them?

2008
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,400
» The on-site supervisor and

2009
00:57:17,666 --> 00:57:19,333
additional cleaning, if we

2010
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,766
grant you the variance.

2011
00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:21,200
» They know that somebody's

2012
00:57:20,866 --> 00:57:22,800
doing that?

2013
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,200
» Yh, and how to get ahold

2014
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:25,066
of them.

2015
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:25,833
I know you're at the property

2016
00:57:25,166 --> 00:57:26,366
once a week, you shared in

2017
00:57:25,933 --> 00:57:27,900
your addendum.

2018
00:57:26,566 --> 00:57:30,633
» Of course.

2019
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,866
and I think they already

2020
00:57:30,733 --> 00:57:31,733
know --

2021
00:57:31,033 --> 00:57:33,400
» Oh, good.

2022
00:57:32,166 --> 00:57:35,033
» It's obvious --

2023
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:36,233
» I just ask because it's

2024
00:57:35,133 --> 00:57:37,100
highly unusual for us to grant

2025
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,433
a variance for something like

2026
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,066
this.

2027
00:57:37,533 --> 00:57:41,600
but we have a way to condition

2028
00:57:39,166 --> 00:57:43,000
it, but the goal is to address

2029
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:44,233
the problem at hand and it

2030
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:46,500
sounds like there's a good

2031
00:57:44,333 --> 00:57:48,700
plan for it.

2032
00:57:47,233 --> 00:57:50,033
» Well, I concur with what

2033
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,033
you're trying to do.

2034
00:57:50,433 --> 00:57:51,900
» Okay.

2035
00:57:51,133 --> 00:57:53,100
well, thank you, sir.

2036
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,333
that's the motion that I'll be

2037
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:53,966
making.

2038
00:57:53,433 --> 00:57:56,166
» Thank you.

2039
00:57:54,233 --> 00:57:57,366
» Second.

2040
00:57:56,333 --> 00:57:59,666
» All rig.

2041
00:57:57,466 --> 00:58:00,566
seeing no one else, I will --

2042
00:58:00,166 --> 00:58:02,200
» Apologies.

2043
00:58:00,666 --> 00:58:02,733
can I just seek clarification

2044
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:05,300
here?

2045
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,500
if the intent is to move

2046
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,466
forward with an approval of

2047
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,466
the appeal, I would

2048
00:58:09,566 --> 00:58:12,433
respectfully recommend in that

2049
00:58:10,566 --> 00:58:13,166
case that you do move this

2050
00:58:12,533 --> 00:58:15,066
forward without recommendation

2051
00:58:13,266 --> 00:58:16,933
at this moment and direct

2052
00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,800
staff to prepare findings of

2053
00:58:17,033 --> 00:58:19,666
fact in accordance with that

2054
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:20,533
motion.

2055
00:58:19,933 --> 00:58:23,266
» Oy.

2056
00:58:20,633 --> 00:58:25,466
that sounds good, attorney.

2057
00:58:23,566 --> 00:58:27,766
so ultimately the goal is to

2058
00:58:25,566 --> 00:58:28,766
move for the appeal -- grant

2059
00:58:27,866 --> 00:58:32,200
the appeal with the condition

2060
00:58:29,133 --> 00:58:33,400
to hire an on-site supervisor

2061
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:34,833
and we will ask staff to work

2062
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:36,000
with us to create the findings

2063
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:36,800
and we'll move forward without

2064
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,733
recommendation.

2065
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:45,333
» Without recommendation.

2066
00:58:38,266 --> 00:58:45,566
n>> all right.

2067
00:58:45,433 --> 00:58:48,533
perfect.

2068
00:58:45,666 --> 00:58:50,600
thank you, council member.

2069
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:53,466
so with that motion from vice

2070
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:54,066
chair crowdry, all --

2071
00:58:53,566 --> 00:58:55,033
chowdhury, all those in favor

2072
00:58:54,166 --> 00:58:55,566
say aye.

2073
00:58:55,133 --> 00:58:56,766
[ members voting ]

2074
00:58:55,666 --> 00:58:57,233
and those opposed say nay.

2075
00:58:56,866 --> 00:58:58,733
[ no response heard ]

2076
00:58:57,333 --> 00:58:59,833
the ayes have it and the

2077
00:58:58,833 --> 00:59:00,166
motion carries.

2078
00:58:59,933 --> 00:59:01,666
all right.

2079
00:59:00,266 --> 00:59:02,666
thank you.

2080
00:59:01,766 --> 00:59:04,100
» Thank you.

2081
00:59:02,833 --> 00:59:11,000
» All right.

2082
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:15,266
next item is -- give me a

2083
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:15,800
second here.

2084
00:59:15,366 --> 00:59:17,133
discussion.

2085
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:21,600
okay, there we go, thank you.

2086
00:59:17,566 --> 00:59:23,366
next item is discussion.

2087
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:26,433
we have a discussion related

2088
00:59:23,533 --> 00:59:28,166
to the historic designation of

2089
00:59:26,533 --> 00:59:30,466
lakeshore arms located at 3026

2090
00:59:28,266 --> 00:59:33,666
lake street.

2091
00:59:31,066 --> 00:59:34,333
I welcome rob from cped to

2092
00:59:33,766 --> 00:59:39,800
give a presentation.

2093
00:59:34,466 --> 00:59:40,033
thk you.

2094
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:41,333
welcome.

2095
00:59:40,133 --> 00:59:43,000
» Thank you, chair osman,

2096
00:59:41,433 --> 00:59:43,233
good afternoon, council

2097
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:47,166
members.

2098
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:50,233
my name is rob skalecki,

2099
00:59:47,266 --> 00:59:50,900
senior city planner in the

2100
00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:52,000
historic team.

2101
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,966
today I'm presenting the

2102
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:53,966
designation of the lakeshore

2103
00:59:53,066 --> 00:59:55,600
arms apartments which are

2104
00:59:54,066 --> 01:00:00,200
located at 3026 lake street

2105
00:59:55,700 --> 01:00:03,666
west.

2106
01:00:00,466 --> 01:00:04,133
on august 12th, 2025, the

2107
01:00:03,766 --> 01:00:05,133
heritage preservation

2108
01:00:04,233 --> 01:00:06,366
commission voted to approve

2109
01:00:05,233 --> 01:00:09,366
the nomination for the

2110
01:00:06,466 --> 01:00:10,400
property at 3026 lake street

2111
01:00:09,466 --> 01:00:11,833
west as a landmark.

2112
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:12,500
they established interim

2113
01:00:11,933 --> 01:00:14,000
protection at that time and

2114
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,333
directed the planning director

2115
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,733
to prepare or cause to be

2116
01:00:15,433 --> 01:00:19,400
prepared a designation study.

2117
01:00:17,833 --> 01:00:23,400
that nomination application

2118
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:24,800
was submitted by minneapolis

2119
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:27,466
hpc commissioner amy thomas.

2120
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:28,833
following that cped staff

2121
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,966
compiled a designation study

2122
01:00:29,033 --> 01:00:32,700
of the property that was

2123
01:00:30,066 --> 01:00:34,733
completed in april of 2026.

2124
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,333
staff sent the study to the

2125
01:00:34,833 --> 01:00:37,633
state historic preservation

2126
01:00:35,433 --> 01:00:38,833
office for review and comment.

2127
01:00:37,733 --> 01:00:40,500
the study concluded that the

2128
01:00:38,933 --> 01:00:41,700
property is eligible for

2129
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,666
landmark designation under

2130
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,633
local criterion 4, for

2131
01:00:43,766 --> 01:00:47,933
architecture.

2132
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,666
at their june 6th, 2026

2133
01:00:48,033 --> 01:00:51,333
meeting, the hbc voted to

2134
01:00:49,766 --> 01:00:55,700
recommend approval for the

2135
01:00:51,433 --> 01:00:57,766
designation.

2136
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,866
the subject property is a

2137
01:00:57,866 --> 01:00:59,933
two-story brick veneer

2138
01:00:58,966 --> 01:01:01,933
apartment building with a

2139
01:01:00,033 --> 01:01:04,233
basement half story.the apartmeh

2140
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,633
17 units and a bement-level

2141
01:01:04,333 --> 01:01:08,100
garage.

2142
01:01:06,733 --> 01:01:09,500
the building is clad in light

2143
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,800
brown or tan brick and has a

2144
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,800
flat roof that include select

2145
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,533
locations with shaped roof

2146
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,300
sections to add other

2147
01:01:16,633 --> 01:01:20,600
thanment.

2148
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,000
the property was designed by

2149
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:25,600
vanderbilt and it was built by

2150
01:01:22,533 --> 01:01:28,133
d for owner morris track, a

2151
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:29,200
local builder and developer.

2152
01:01:28,233 --> 01:01:31,333
the received building approval

2153
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,133
in october, 1930, and

2154
01:01:31,433 --> 01:01:33,000
newspaper records began

2155
01:01:32,233 --> 01:01:35,966
announcing the building

2156
01:01:33,533 --> 01:01:37,433
opening by march 1931.

2157
01:01:36,066 --> 01:01:40,566
the construction of lakeshore

2158
01:01:37,533 --> 01:01:41,333
arms apartments is tied to

2159
01:01:40,666 --> 01:01:43,800
multifamily housing options

2160
01:01:41,433 --> 01:01:45,800
that appeared around uptown in

2161
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:47,766
the cedar isles dean area in

2162
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:48,266
the 1920s and 1930s.

2163
01:01:47,866 --> 01:01:49,800
the urban setting in

2164
01:01:48,466 --> 01:01:50,366
connection to the lakes

2165
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:51,866
attracted minneapol

2166
01:01:50,466 --> 01:01:53,066
residents in the early

2167
01:01:51,966 --> 01:01:54,933
20th sent the promise of

2168
01:01:53,166 --> 01:01:57,133
urban life mixed with water

2169
01:01:55,033 --> 01:01:57,800
recreation amenities.

2170
01:01:57,233 --> 01:01:58,366
mediterranean design

2171
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:00,866
influences were especially

2172
01:01:58,466 --> 01:02:02,000
common in the area and spanish

2173
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,266
eclectic style buildings

2174
01:02:02,233 --> 01:02:05,433
became popular.

2175
01:02:03,366 --> 01:02:10,500
the property was designed

2176
01:02:05,533 --> 01:02:11,466
using the spanish style and

2177
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,566
contains a significant degree

2178
01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:13,666
of architectural features.

2179
01:02:12,666 --> 01:02:15,866
those include but are not

2180
01:02:13,766 --> 01:02:16,966
limited to a shaped main

2181
01:02:15,966 --> 01:02:21,800
doorway that includes a heavy

2182
01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:23,966
wood door, light color brick

2183
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:25,500
cladding, cast cement

2184
01:02:24,066 --> 01:02:27,233
ornamentation, including

2185
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,433
floral materials, concrete

2186
01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:33,266
relief, a cast cement balcony

2187
01:02:29,533 --> 01:02:35,600
with prominent cast cement,

2188
01:02:33,366 --> 01:02:39,433
shaped openings, spiraled

2189
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:41,833
columns, varied roof shapes,

2190
01:02:39,533 --> 01:02:43,900
clay roof tiles, multilight

2191
01:02:41,933 --> 01:02:45,766
wood, double-hung sash windows

2192
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,733
and french doors at various

2193
01:02:45,866 --> 01:02:48,300
openings and patios and

2194
01:02:47,833 --> 01:02:52,466
balconies throughout the

2195
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:54,333
building.

2196
01:02:52,566 --> 01:02:56,533
properties built in the

2197
01:02:54,433 --> 01:02:58,833
spanish eclectic architectural

2198
01:02:56,633 --> 01:03:00,900
style use traditional spanish

2199
01:02:58,933 --> 01:03:02,433
design trends incorporating

2200
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,766
balconies and plazas and

2201
01:03:02,533 --> 01:03:05,300
courtyards and patios to

2202
01:03:03,866 --> 01:03:06,700
create an apparent association

2203
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,466
between the building and the

2204
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,233
natural environment.

2205
01:03:07,566 --> 01:03:11,766
and this is evident in the

2206
01:03:09,333 --> 01:03:13,566
lakeshore arms apartments.

2207
01:03:11,866 --> 01:03:15,033
chapter 599 of the minneapolis

2208
01:03:13,666 --> 01:03:16,100
code of ordinances requires

2209
01:03:15,133 --> 01:03:17,500
that the designation be

2210
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,466
submitted to the minnesota

2211
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,400
state historic preservation

2212
01:03:18,566 --> 01:03:21,766
office for review and comment.

2213
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:26,000
this was done and the

2214
01:03:21,866 --> 01:03:27,333
minnesota state historic

2215
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,200
historic office concurred with

2216
01:03:27,433 --> 01:03:31,033
the findings and recommended

2217
01:03:29,233 --> 01:03:32,133
in a later dated may 19, 2026

2218
01:03:31,133 --> 01:03:34,766
that the property appeared to

2219
01:03:32,633 --> 01:03:36,166
be an excellent candidate for

2220
01:03:34,866 --> 01:03:38,066
local designation under that

2221
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:41,466
criterion 4 for architecture.

2222
01:03:38,166 --> 01:03:43,200
in order for the hbc and

2223
01:03:41,566 --> 01:03:44,833
council to approve a lanark

2224
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:45,500
designation, the following two

2225
01:03:44,933 --> 01:03:47,066
findings must be made.

2226
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,266
one that the collection or

2227
01:03:47,166 --> 01:03:50,166
collection of properties meets

2228
01:03:48,633 --> 01:03:51,533
at least one local criterion

2229
01:03:50,266 --> 01:03:52,400
to be designated as a landmark

2230
01:03:51,833 --> 01:03:54,066
or historic district.

2231
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:55,266
and two that the property or

2232
01:03:54,166 --> 01:03:56,900
collection of properties

2233
01:03:55,366 --> 01:03:58,433
retains sufficient historic

2234
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,966
integrity to be designated a

2235
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,233
a landmark or historic

2236
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:04,266
strict.

2237
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:05,700
staff and the hbc occur ensure

2238
01:04:04,366 --> 01:04:07,100
that it meets criterion 4 as a

2239
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,200
property that embodies

2240
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,500
distinctive characteristics of

2241
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:11,933
the spanish eclectic

2242
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,166
architectural style and meets

2243
01:04:12,133 --> 01:04:15,300
finding one and that lakeshore

2244
01:04:14,266 --> 01:04:17,800
arms apartments retains all

2245
01:04:15,383 --> 01:04:18,900
seven aspects of historic

2246
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,966
integrity, including location,

2247
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,666
setting, design, materials,

2248
01:04:21,066 --> 01:04:24,800
workmanship, feeling and

2249
01:04:21,766 --> 01:04:26,466
association to meet finding 2.

2250
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:28,200
staff has been in contact with

2251
01:04:26,566 --> 01:04:30,000
the property owner about the

2252
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:30,666
designation study and

2253
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,400
designation process.

2254
01:04:30,766 --> 01:04:34,133
the owner has stated

2255
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:35,800
opposition to the designation

2256
01:04:34,233 --> 01:04:37,666
for many reasons.

2257
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:39,100
and those written comments are

2258
01:04:37,766 --> 01:04:41,066
included for council members

2259
01:04:39,266 --> 01:04:43,033
to consider.

2260
01:04:41,333 --> 01:04:46,766
I believe the owner is here

2261
01:04:43,133 --> 01:04:47,200
today and may want to speak if

2262
01:04:46,866 --> 01:04:50,266
possible.

2263
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:52,666
staff will also note that the

2264
01:04:50,366 --> 01:04:53,633
owner has, as I mentioned,

2265
01:04:52,766 --> 01:04:55,383
been clear about the

2266
01:04:53,733 --> 01:04:57,516
opposition to the designation

2267
01:04:55,483 --> 01:04:58,716
but staff has received over 15

2268
01:04:57,616 --> 01:05:00,016
public comments that support

2269
01:04:58,816 --> 01:05:01,450
the historic designation of

2270
01:05:00,116 --> 01:05:03,516
the property.

2271
01:05:01,550 --> 01:05:05,450
with that, I'm available as

2272
01:05:03,616 --> 01:05:07,416
staff to answer any questions.

2273
01:05:05,550 --> 01:05:09,816
thank you.

2274
01:05:07,683 --> 01:05:11,116
» Thank you so much, staff.

2275
01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:11,450
I appreciate your

2276
01:05:11,216 --> 01:05:13,783
presentation.

2277
01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:14,416
is is a discussion.

2278
01:05:13,883 --> 01:05:15,983
'at the same time it's a

2279
01:05:14,516 --> 01:05:17,616
decision we have to make.

2280
01:05:16,083 --> 01:05:20,583
so, it's not a public hearing.

2281
01:05:17,716 --> 01:05:21,483
I'm open to giving an

2282
01:05:20,683 --> 01:05:25,283
opportunity for the owner to

2283
01:05:21,583 --> 01:05:27,183
speak.

2284
01:05:25,383 --> 01:05:27,716
but before that, I will

2285
01:05:27,283 --> 01:05:27,950
recognize council member

2286
01:05:27,816 --> 01:05:29,616
shaffer.

2287
01:05:28,316 --> 01:05:29,916
» Can I speak after the owner

2288
01:05:29,716 --> 01:05:30,716
speaks?

2289
01:05:30,083 --> 01:05:31,883
» If he wants to speak.

2290
01:05:30,816 --> 01:05:33,783
I don't know if the owner is

2291
01:05:31,983 --> 01:05:34,216
here.

2292
01:05:33,883 --> 01:05:35,316
welcome.

2293
01:05:34,316 --> 01:05:36,083
would you like to speak?

2294
01:05:35,716 --> 01:05:36,850
» Yes, I would.

2295
01:05:36,483 --> 01:05:39,150
» Yup.

2296
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:40,250
we'll give you two minutes to

2297
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:52,416
speak, that's okay.

2298
01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:55,883
come on.

2299
01:05:52,683 --> 01:05:56,950
» It's not a quasi judicial,

2300
01:05:55,983 --> 01:05:58,483
anything like that, but I

2301
01:05:57,050 --> 01:05:59,450
would say usually we give the

2302
01:05:58,583 --> 01:06:00,883
applicant seven minutes or so,

2303
01:05:59,550 --> 01:06:01,650
but it's not set up that way

2304
01:06:00,983 --> 01:06:03,616
today.

2305
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:05,650
so I would just give you a

2306
01:06:03,716 --> 01:06:08,216
short time to kind of give us

2307
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:09,883
a little bit of -- yeah.

2308
01:06:08,383 --> 01:06:15,016
» Okay.

2309
01:06:09,983 --> 01:06:17,516
chairman osman and vice chair

2310
01:06:15,116 --> 01:06:20,383
chowdhury and committee

2311
01:06:17,616 --> 01:06:22,450
members, my name is steve

2312
01:06:20,483 --> 01:06:25,950
horniyg and together with my

2313
01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:26,616
brother, gary, we purchased

2314
01:06:26,050 --> 01:06:27,283
lakeshore arms about a year

2315
01:06:26,716 --> 01:06:29,650
ago now.

2316
01:06:27,383 --> 01:06:31,016
and my family has owned,

2317
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:32,983
restored and managed apartment

2318
01:06:31,116 --> 01:06:34,550
buildings in minneapolis for

2319
01:06:33,083 --> 01:06:35,616
four generations, over 100

2320
01:06:34,650 --> 01:06:38,816
years.

2321
01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:40,116
we believe in historic

2322
01:06:38,916 --> 01:06:42,316
preservation, that it is an

2323
01:06:40,216 --> 01:06:44,283
important public policy and

2324
01:06:42,416 --> 01:06:45,950
nothing I say today should be

2325
01:06:44,383 --> 01:06:49,950
interpreted otherwise.

2326
01:06:46,116 --> 01:06:55,016
I want to begin and make it

2327
01:06:50,050 --> 01:06:56,416
very clear that I accept the

2328
01:06:55,083 --> 01:06:58,650
hbc's conclusion that

2329
01:06:56,516 --> 01:06:59,716
lakeshore arms possesses

2330
01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:00,950
sufficient architectural

2331
01:06:59,816 --> 01:07:02,450
significance to qualify for

2332
01:07:01,050 --> 01:07:06,850
designation.

2333
01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:11,216
the issue is that over 17

2334
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:15,716
buildings that were also

2335
01:07:11,316 --> 01:07:16,483
designed by c.j. Bard are also

2336
01:07:15,816 --> 01:07:18,683
beautiful buildings in south

2337
01:07:16,583 --> 01:07:21,016
minneapolis that are equal to

2338
01:07:18,783 --> 01:07:24,050
my building.

2339
01:07:21,116 --> 01:07:25,816
the designation study never

2340
01:07:24,716 --> 01:07:27,783
cited that for one reason or

2341
01:07:25,916 --> 01:07:28,883
another my building was more

2342
01:07:27,983 --> 01:07:29,983
special than any of the other

2343
01:07:28,983 --> 01:07:35,450
buildings.

2344
01:07:30,083 --> 01:07:37,416
you'll see pictures of them in

2345
01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:40,250
the slides that I prepared.

2346
01:07:37,516 --> 01:07:43,883
maybe if we could roll up just

2347
01:07:42,216 --> 01:07:44,216
a couple more on this.

2348
01:07:43,983 --> 01:07:44,883
no?

2349
01:07:44,316 --> 01:07:54,650
can't do that?

2350
01:07:44,983 --> 01:07:56,116
can I do that?

2351
01:07:54,750 --> 01:07:58,283
here is a collection of all of

2352
01:07:56,216 --> 01:07:59,350
the bard buildings in south

2353
01:07:58,383 --> 01:08:00,116
minneapolis.

2354
01:07:59,450 --> 01:08:03,283
they're absolutely gorgeous.

2355
01:08:01,383 --> 01:08:04,616
of there'sothing that my

2356
01:08:03,383 --> 01:08:07,150
building has over any of these

2357
01:08:04,716 --> 01:08:09,650
others and, so, the crucial

2358
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:16,550
question I why was m

2359
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:16,983
building chosen?

2360
01:08:16,650 --> 01:08:17,650
[ alarm ]

2361
01:08:17,283 --> 01:08:18,616
» Sorry.

2362
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:23,216
please continue.

2363
01:08:18,783 --> 01:08:24,416
I want to hear.

2364
01:08:23,616 --> 01:08:25,783
» Your responsibility here is

2365
01:08:24,516 --> 01:08:26,950
much broader than looking at

2366
01:08:25,883 --> 01:08:31,150
the architectural features of

2367
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:33,116
this.

2368
01:08:31,250 --> 01:08:38,350
you, under the statute, the

2369
01:08:33,216 --> 01:08:39,816
ordinance, chapter 599, you're

2370
01:08:38,450 --> 01:08:41,216
required to look more broadly,

2371
01:08:39,916 --> 01:08:44,150
not only at historic

2372
01:08:41,316 --> 01:08:45,050
preservation, but also the

2373
01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:47,583
economic growth and general

2374
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:49,983
welfare of the city and the

2375
01:08:47,683 --> 01:08:50,516
implementaon of the

2376
01:08:50,083 --> 01:08:52,183
minneapolis comprehensive

2377
01:08:50,616 --> 01:08:54,250
plan.

2378
01:08:52,283 --> 01:08:56,883
that requires balancing on

2379
01:08:54,350 --> 01:08:59,616
your part several -- balancing

2380
01:08:56,983 --> 01:09:01,850
several important public

2381
01:08:59,716 --> 01:09:02,383
policies, not just

2382
01:09:01,950 --> 01:09:04,350
preservation.

2383
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,550
I respectfully submit that

2384
01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:06,350
when all of these policies are

2385
01:09:05,650 --> 01:09:08,950
considered together,

2386
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:10,283
designationf this particular

2387
01:09:09,183 --> 01:09:11,383
property is not in the city's

2388
01:09:10,383 --> 01:09:12,816
best interest.

2389
01:09:11,683 --> 01:09:15,550
» Sir, if you could wrap it

2390
01:09:12,916 --> 01:09:19,016
up, pase.

2391
01:09:16,383 --> 01:09:19,483
» So we've had 17 other

2392
01:09:19,283 --> 01:09:21,683
properties.

2393
01:09:19,583 --> 01:09:23,350
mine is n chosen.

2394
01:09:22,116 --> 01:09:25,316
two other quick points.

2395
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:28,850
under the demolitiontatute,

2396
01:09:26,916 --> 01:09:33,416
if you don't designate this

2397
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:34,416
today, the demolition statute

2398
01:09:33,516 --> 01:09:36,383
in minneapolis is very

2399
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,583
protective of buildings thatareh

2400
01:09:36,483 --> 01:09:39,250
my building is, that if

2401
01:09:37,683 --> 01:09:41,516
there's ever a demolition

2402
01:09:39,350 --> 01:09:42,416
permit put forth, there would

2403
01:09:41,616 --> 01:09:42,716
be another opportunity to look

2404
01:09:42,583 --> 01:09:43,316
at this.

2405
01:09:42,816 --> 01:09:46,416
» Thank you.

2406
01:09:43,816 --> 01:09:51,183
» And I think to foreclose

2407
01:09:46,516 --> 01:09:52,383
the city, to give up the

2408
01:09:51,283 --> 01:09:53,916
possibility of greater

2409
01:09:52,483 --> 01:09:57,016
development to not only for

2410
01:09:54,016 --> 01:09:58,450
housing, more housing, that

2411
01:09:57,116 --> 01:10:01,616
includes affordable,

2412
01:09:58,550 --> 01:10:02,916
inclusionary housing, without

2413
01:10:01,716 --> 01:10:04,716
seeing apecific proposal

2414
01:10:03,016 --> 01:10:04,983
even being presented is reay

2415
01:10:04,816 --> 01:10:06,816
premature.

2416
01:10:05,116 --> 01:10:07,883
» I appreciate your time.

2417
01:10:06,916 --> 01:10:08,450
I'm sorry.

2418
01:10:07,983 --> 01:10:12,950
we've run out of time.

2419
01:10:08,816 --> 01:10:13,883
» It's okay.

2420
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:17,083
I see council member shaffer.

2421
01:10:13,983 --> 01:10:17,750
» Tnk you, mr. Hornig,

2422
01:10:17,183 --> 01:10:18,983
for those thoughts.

2423
01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:20,083
and thank you for your long

2424
01:10:19,083 --> 01:10:20,550
history of providing

2425
01:10:20,183 --> 01:10:21,816
affordable housing in

2426
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:24,016
minneapolis.

2427
01:10:21,916 --> 01:10:25,416
in many of our communities

2428
01:10:24,116 --> 01:10:29,616
across many wards.

2429
01:10:25,516 --> 01:10:30,850
and I know that there are ups

2430
01:10:29,716 --> 01:10:31,650
and downs to the housing

2431
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:33,983
industry, but I want to say

2432
01:10:33,016 --> 01:10:35,216
thank you for that provision

2433
01:10:34,083 --> 01:10:35,783
and that commitment to

2434
01:10:35,316 --> 01:10:36,883
affordable housing in our

2435
01:10:35,883 --> 01:10:38,316
space.

2436
01:10:36,983 --> 01:10:43,450
today I will be making a

2437
01:10:38,416 --> 01:10:45,050
motion to deny the historic

2438
01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:47,383
designation, primarily, as you

2439
01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:49,483
can remember from the first

2440
01:10:47,483 --> 01:10:52,983
picture that this is really a

2441
01:10:49,583 --> 01:10:56,516
building that is on and

2442
01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:56,983
surrounded by more

2443
01:10:56,616 --> 01:10:57,250
high-density apartment

2444
01:10:57,083 --> 01:10:59,350
buildings.

2445
01:10:57,350 --> 01:11:01,883
and I know that we have heard

2446
01:10:59,450 --> 01:11:04,516
today that he has no plans to

2447
01:11:01,983 --> 01:11:06,050
demolish this building, and we

2448
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,483
have the demolition statute to

2449
01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:08,783
fall back on.

2450
01:11:07,583 --> 01:11:11,516
putting this historic

2451
01:11:08,866 --> 01:11:13,850
designation in place now would

2452
01:11:11,616 --> 01:11:15,483
complely foreclose the

2453
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:17,450
addition of higher density

2454
01:11:15,583 --> 01:11:18,650
housing at thispot at any

2455
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:20,416
point in th future.

2456
01:11:18,783 --> 01:11:22,816
ich is really inconsistent

2457
01:11:20,516 --> 01:11:25,550
with many of the 2040 plan

2458
01:11:22,916 --> 01:11:30,916
goals for this area.

2459
01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:34,016
so, I will be supporting this

2460
01:11:31,016 --> 01:11:38,083
denial of the historic

2461
01:11:34,116 --> 01:11:39,750
landmark designation.

2462
01:11:38,183 --> 01:11:40,250
» Thank you, council member

2463
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:42,450
shaffer.

2464
01:11:41,066 --> 01:11:43,450
I will recognize council

2465
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:45,316
member chavez.

2466
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:47,183
» Thank you, chair osman, and

2467
01:11:45,416 --> 01:11:48,783
maybe ask my colleague,

2468
01:11:47,283 --> 01:11:50,616
council member shaffer, if she

2469
01:11:48,883 --> 01:11:51,116
would move the motion to deny

2470
01:11:50,716 --> 01:11:52,483
without recommendation.

2471
01:11:51,216 --> 01:11:53,383
I just would rather have more

2472
01:11:52,583 --> 01:11:55,116
conversations with staff about

2473
01:11:53,483 --> 01:11:56,650
what this means.

2474
01:11:55,516 --> 01:11:57,416
so at least -- I don't want to

2475
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:59,083
commit to my position today.

2476
01:11:57,716 --> 01:12:01,283
I want to have more

2477
01:11:59,183 --> 01:12:02,383
conversations about how this

2478
01:12:01,383 --> 01:12:03,116
came to be and I do have

2479
01:12:02,483 --> 01:12:03,850
questions.

2480
01:12:03,316 --> 01:12:05,883
so I'd rather --

2481
01:12:04,316 --> 01:12:06,783
» That's absolutely fine with

2482
01:12:05,983 --> 01:12:07,416
me, council member chavez.

2483
01:12:06,883 --> 01:12:10,150
» Thank you.

2484
01:12:08,350 --> 01:12:10,850
» Vice chair chowdhury.

2485
01:12:10,316 --> 01:12:18,850
» Thank you.

2486
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:21,350
I have a question for staff.

2487
01:12:19,016 --> 01:12:22,583
I just wanted to know, I think

2488
01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:26,450
the property owner brought up

2489
01:12:24,616 --> 01:12:27,316
a good point of the many other

2490
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:29,916
properties that are designed

2491
01:12:27,483 --> 01:12:33,450
by the same architects.

2492
01:12:30,016 --> 01:12:34,016
how was that -- how were these

2493
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:35,983
properties selected and is

2494
01:12:34,116 --> 01:12:39,050
there a plan in the future to

2495
01:12:36,083 --> 01:12:42,716
look at the other properties?

2496
01:12:39,450 --> 01:12:43,183
» Yeah, thank you, chair

2497
01:12:42,816 --> 01:12:43,450
osman, council member

2498
01:12:43,283 --> 01:12:44,450
chowdhury.

2499
01:12:43,550 --> 01:12:46,433
so within the designation

2500
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:48,550
study that staff wrote, a lot

2501
01:12:46,616 --> 01:12:49,283
of the buildings that were

2502
01:12:48,650 --> 01:12:50,516
identified and actually shown

2503
01:12:49,483 --> 01:12:52,483
by the property owner were

2504
01:12:50,616 --> 01:12:54,116
identified through that study.

2505
01:12:52,583 --> 01:12:56,016
so, initially we we looking

2506
01:12:54,216 --> 01:12:57,083
to see if the property met our

2507
01:12:56,116 --> 01:13:01,483
local criterion 6, which would

2508
01:12:58,483 --> 01:13:01,950
be tied to a master industry

2509
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:02,250
professional like an

2510
01:13:02,050 --> 01:13:03,216
architect.

2511
01:13:02,416 --> 01:13:04,650
so that's part of the reason

2512
01:13:03,316 --> 01:13:05,850
why we looked at these other

2513
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:06,283
buildings designed by this

2514
01:13:05,950 --> 01:13:09,050
architect.

2515
01:13:06,916 --> 01:13:10,583
we ultimately didn't recommend

2516
01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:13,616
designation under that

2517
01:13:10,683 --> 01:13:16,516
criteria specifically because

2518
01:13:13,716 --> 01:13:18,683
the firm of bard and

2519
01:13:16,616 --> 01:13:20,683
vanderbilt was distinct and

2520
01:13:18,783 --> 01:13:22,183
that is the firm that designed

2521
01:13:20,783 --> 01:13:23,183
this building, whereas, karl

2522
01:13:22,283 --> 01:13:25,050
bard,hen he practiced

2523
01:13:23,283 --> 01:13:26,283
independently earlier, was

2524
01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:29,216
making designs similar to

2525
01:13:26,383 --> 01:13:31,216
those that were shown.

2526
01:13:29,316 --> 01:13:34,150
so, to the other point, when

2527
01:13:31,316 --> 01:13:35,483
staff is looking at properties

2528
01:13:34,233 --> 01:13:36,883
that embody distinctive

2529
01:13:35,583 --> 01:13:37,983
characteristics of an

2530
01:13:36,983 --> 01:13:39,516
architectural style under

2531
01:13:38,083 --> 01:13:42,383
criterion 4 to be considered

2532
01:13:39,616 --> 01:13:44,350
for landmark status, we do

2533
01:13:42,483 --> 01:13:47,183
look at other properties and

2534
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:47,750
consider if they retain

2535
01:13:47,283 --> 01:13:49,150
historic integri.

2536
01:13:47,916 --> 01:13:50,183
so do they still communicate

2537
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:51,816
their historic significance.

2538
01:13:50,283 --> 01:13:53,583
and when looking at lakeshore

2539
01:13:51,916 --> 01:13:55,550
arms, we were able to deduce

2540
01:13:53,683 --> 01:13:56,783
that there's a lot that is

2541
01:13:55,650 --> 01:13:58,083
still there to be able to

2542
01:13:56,883 --> 01:14:01,150
communicate that it is an

2543
01:13:58,183 --> 01:14:01,583
example of this architectural

2544
01:14:01,250 --> 01:14:02,716
style.

2545
01:14:01,683 --> 01:14:03,583
that's not to say that if a

2546
01:14:02,816 --> 01:14:06,283
building comes in the future

2547
01:14:03,683 --> 01:14:08,816
that is also this style, you

2548
01:14:06,383 --> 01:14:10,250
know, if that can't be

2549
01:14:08,916 --> 01:14:10,983
considered if this one is

2550
01:14:10,350 --> 01:14:13,516
designated.

2551
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:15,850
so with that, staff were able

2552
01:14:14,716 --> 01:14:18,350
to look through in the study

2553
01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:19,883
and determine that this

2554
01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:21,083
property did meet that

2555
01:14:19,983 --> 01:14:22,083
criterion 4 to be considered

2556
01:14:21,183 --> 01:14:22,750
for landmark status.

2557
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:24,183
» Thank you.

2558
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:26,583
that's helpful.

2559
01:14:24,283 --> 01:14:27,916
and then one final question

2560
01:14:26,683 --> 01:14:29,750
for me just to clarify,

2561
01:14:28,016 --> 01:14:31,116
because I know we're moving

2562
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:31,983
this forward without

2563
01:14:31,216 --> 01:14:33,950
recommendation, I think I

2564
01:14:32,083 --> 01:14:36,350
definitely need some more time

2565
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:38,983
to have conversations ahead of

2566
01:14:36,450 --> 01:14:42,516
full council.

2567
01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:44,483
should this go ahead.

2568
01:14:42,616 --> 01:14:46,583
and this islso just for my

2569
01:14:44,583 --> 01:14:47,983
understanding for future local

2570
01:14:46,683 --> 01:14:51,083
historic designations if it

2571
01:14:48,083 --> 01:14:51,850
comes to us, should a

2572
01:14:51,183 --> 01:14:53,283
resolution pass through this

2573
01:14:51,933 --> 01:14:53,916
body, what are the next steps

2574
01:14:53,383 --> 01:14:55,683
that follow?

2575
01:14:54,083 --> 01:14:57,116
I know you said it in your

2576
01:14:55,783 --> 01:14:59,083
presentation, but I'm kindly

2577
01:14:57,216 --> 01:15:01,950
asking you to repeat it.

2578
01:14:59,683 --> 01:15:02,483
» Sure, chair osman, council

2579
01:15:02,050 --> 01:15:04,283
member chowdhury.

2580
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:06,283
to clarify, are you asking if

2581
01:15:04,383 --> 01:15:08,616
this is approved or denied?

2582
01:15:07,016 --> 01:15:09,250
» After approval, if there is

2583
01:15:08,716 --> 01:15:10,783
approval, what happens next?

2584
01:15:09,983 --> 01:15:13,183
» Sure.

2585
01:15:10,883 --> 01:15:13,883
if this is approved --

2586
01:15:13,283 --> 01:15:17,516
recommended approval today, it

2587
01:15:13,983 --> 01:15:20,450
will go up, of course, to city

2588
01:15:17,616 --> 01:15:21,316
council for your vote on the

2589
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:22,750
resolution, and then that goes

2590
01:15:21,416 --> 01:15:23,883
up to the mayor's desk and

2591
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:26,750
once it's signed and

2592
01:15:23,983 --> 01:15:29,383
published, then that would be

2593
01:15:26,850 --> 01:15:30,316
when it would formally become

2594
01:15:29,483 --> 01:15:36,583
a city of minneapolis

2595
01:15:30,416 --> 01:15:36,850
landmark.

2596
01:15:36,683 --> 01:15:37,783
standards.

2597
01:15:36,933 --> 01:15:39,550
national park service to make

2598
01:15:37,883 --> 01:15:40,783
sure that any changes to the

2599
01:15:39,650 --> 01:15:42,616
exterior are being sensitive

2600
01:15:41,816 --> 01:15:44,416
to the property's

2601
01:15:42,716 --> 01:15:45,716
significance.

2602
01:15:44,516 --> 01:15:46,983
and if a future property

2603
01:15:45,816 --> 01:15:49,350
owner would want to demolish,

2604
01:15:47,083 --> 01:15:50,716
they'd have the ability to

2605
01:15:49,450 --> 01:15:52,116
submit an application, called

2606
01:15:50,816 --> 01:15:53,016
the demolition of designated

2607
01:15:52,216 --> 01:15:54,083
property, to make that

2608
01:15:53,116 --> 01:15:55,083
decision at a future date if

2609
01:15:54,183 --> 01:15:57,583
it comes to that.

2610
01:15:55,383 --> 01:15:58,950
» And that would go to the

2611
01:15:57,683 --> 01:15:59,716
hpc, right, future demolition?

2612
01:15:59,450 --> 01:16:01,250
» Correct.

2613
01:15:59,883 --> 01:16:03,316
» Okay.

2614
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:05,083
and is landmark desnation

2615
01:16:03,416 --> 01:16:05,750
any different than historic

2616
01:16:05,183 --> 01:16:05,983
preservation or are they the

2617
01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:10,583
same?

2618
01:16:06,483 --> 01:16:11,283
» So, it would be the same.

2619
01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:12,683
landmark designation at the

2620
01:16:11,383 --> 01:16:14,250
local level is different from

2621
01:16:12,783 --> 01:16:18,516
national register listing.

2622
01:16:14,350 --> 01:16:19,816
so I don't know if that -- I

2623
01:16:18,616 --> 01:16:20,350
think there's some confusion

2624
01:16:19,916 --> 01:16:22,083
between those two.

2625
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:22,583
but this is local landmark

2626
01:16:22,183 --> 01:16:23,050
designation that we're

2627
01:16:22,683 --> 01:16:23,983
considering today.

2628
01:16:23,183 --> 01:16:24,216
» And if denied, what

2629
01:16:24,083 --> 01:16:27,950
happens?

2630
01:16:24,383 --> 01:16:29,116
» So if the designation is

2631
01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:30,616
denied, and the property owner

2632
01:16:29,216 --> 01:16:34,350
brought up a point, it could

2633
01:16:30,716 --> 01:16:34,683
be brought forward in the

2634
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:36,316
future.

2635
01:16:34,783 --> 01:16:37,750
if that's the case, there

2636
01:16:36,416 --> 01:16:40,250
would have to be a three-year

2637
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:41,316
waiting period for someone to

2638
01:16:40,350 --> 01:16:41,916
consider nominating it again

2639
01:16:41,416 --> 01:16:44,450
in the future.

2640
01:16:42,016 --> 01:16:47,050
but there is a possibility to

2641
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:48,716
reconsider a history of a site

2642
01:16:47,150 --> 01:16:49,350
with a future timeline.

2643
01:16:48,883 --> 01:16:49,683
» Okay.

2644
01:16:49,450 --> 01:16:51,150
great.

2645
01:16:49,783 --> 01:16:52,650
that's all my questions.

2646
01:16:51,250 --> 01:16:53,950
really appreate it.

2647
01:16:52,750 --> 01:16:55,283
» All right.

2648
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:55,816
council member rainville.

2649
01:16:55,383 --> 01:16:57,050
» Thank you.

2650
01:16:55,983 --> 01:16:58,783
I do have a question for

2651
01:16:57,150 --> 01:17:00,650
staff.

2652
01:16:58,883 --> 01:17:02,950
why was this property chosen

2653
01:17:00,816 --> 01:17:05,916
to study?

2654
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:06,516
» Chair osman, council member

2655
01:17:06,016 --> 01:17:10,850
rainville, this was submitted

2656
01:17:06,850 --> 01:17:11,316
as a nomination by minneapolis

2657
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:12,850
heritage preservation

2658
01:17:11,416 --> 01:17:13,816
commissioner, and they do have

2659
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:15,016
the authority to do that.

2660
01:17:13,916 --> 01:17:16,683
and I think it was just a

2661
01:17:15,116 --> 01:17:19,850
personal interest in the site

2662
01:17:16,783 --> 01:17:21,516
that led to that.

2663
01:17:20,050 --> 01:17:23,250
» Thank you.

2664
01:17:21,683 --> 01:17:25,683
» All right.

2665
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:26,116
seeingo -- oh, council

2666
01:17:25,783 --> 01:17:28,650
member chavez.

2667
01:17:26,416 --> 01:17:30,550
» One last thing, I guess.

2668
01:17:28,750 --> 01:17:32,283
I'm still trying to learn more

2669
01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:33,050
about this.

2670
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:33,516
I probably will be reaching

2671
01:17:33,150 --> 01:17:34,816
out.

2672
01:17:33,683 --> 01:17:36,383
my question is, let's just

2673
01:17:34,916 --> 01:17:37,350
say, and I don't know what way

2674
01:17:36,483 --> 01:17:38,716
the council is going to decide

2675
01:17:37,516 --> 01:17:40,250
on this issue, but lest just

2676
01:17:38,816 --> 01:17:41,983
say they decide to -- but

2677
01:17:40,350 --> 01:17:43,183
let's just say they decide to

2678
01:17:42,083 --> 01:17:45,050
approve it, does staff have

2679
01:17:43,283 --> 01:17:46,483
any concerns it would set a

2680
01:17:45,150 --> 01:17:49,250
precedent for the rest of the

2681
01:17:46,583 --> 01:17:50,216
buildings that were

2682
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:51,450
identified and what that would

2683
01:17:50,316 --> 01:17:52,450
mean for housing in our city?

2684
01:17:51,683 --> 01:17:53,316
I don't know, I'm just

2685
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:57,050
wondering.

2686
01:17:53,483 --> 01:17:57,716
» Chair osman, council member

2687
01:17:57,150 --> 01:17:58,650
chavez, I think I understand

2688
01:17:57,816 --> 01:18:01,450
your question.

2689
01:17:58,750 --> 01:18:02,550
there's never going to be a

2690
01:18:01,550 --> 01:18:04,850
precedent-setting desion for

2691
01:18:02,650 --> 01:18:06,383
any property  the city

2692
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:07,250
that's being considered for

2693
01:18:06,483 --> 01:18:08,750
landmark status.

2694
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:11,016
but, you know, at any point in

2695
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:11,883
the future if one of the

2696
01:18:11,116 --> 01:18:14,416
nominators who's able to

2697
01:18:11,983 --> 01:18:15,516
nominate a property if the

2698
01:18:14,516 --> 01:18:16,850
city wants to bring forward

2699
01:18:15,616 --> 01:18:17,583
one of the other examples for

2700
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:17,883
consideration, that is a

2701
01:18:17,683 --> 01:18:18,150
possibility.

2702
01:18:17,983 --> 01:18:19,350
» Okay.

2703
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:20,016
thank you.

2704
01:18:19,550 --> 01:18:22,416
» All right.

2705
01:18:20,116 --> 01:18:24,183
thank you so much.

2706
01:18:22,516 --> 01:18:25,950
with that motion to forward

2707
01:18:24,283 --> 01:18:26,516
this item without

2708
01:18:26,050 --> 01:18:27,016
recommendation, all those in

2709
01:18:26,616 --> 01:18:30,750
favor say aye.

2710
01:18:27,116 --> 01:18:32,183
[ members voting ]

2711
01:18:30,850 --> 01:18:32,816
and tho opposed say nay.

2712
01:18:32,283 --> 01:18:33,950
[ no response heard ]

2713
01:18:32,916 --> 01:18:34,383
the ayes have it and the

2714
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:38,550
motion carries.

2715
01:18:34,483 --> 01:18:41,416
all right, our last item is

2716
01:18:38,650 --> 01:18:47,650
presentation related to

2717
01:18:41,516 --> 01:18:49,083
impervious surfaces.

2718
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,616
» Thank you chair osman,

2719
01:18:49,283 --> 01:18:50,650
committee members.

2720
01:18:49,716 --> 01:18:52,183
I'll be presenting today but

2721
01:18:50,916 --> 01:18:54,216
we alsoo have further staff

2722
01:18:52,283 --> 01:18:55,783
from our public works

2723
01:18:54,316 --> 01:18:56,983
department, surface waters and

2724
01:18:55,883 --> 01:18:57,816
sewers, available for any

2725
01:18:57,083 --> 01:18:58,550
questions you all may have at

2726
01:18:57,916 --> 01:18:59,950
the end.

2727
01:18:58,650 --> 01:19:02,016
again, this is a receive and

2728
01:19:00,050 --> 01:19:04,916
file for a legislative

2729
01:19:02,116 --> 01:19:06,983
directive that came out of

2730
01:19:05,016 --> 01:19:08,983
council member's wonsley's

2731
01:19:07,083 --> 01:19:10,183
office later.

2732
01:19:09,183 --> 01:19:12,716
looking at synthetic turf

2733
01:19:10,283 --> 01:19:13,616
systems and how those could be y

2734
01:19:12,816 --> 01:19:14,916
managed in code, how they

2735
01:19:13,716 --> 01:19:18,116
could be managed in coat, kind

2736
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:18,883
of those long-term impacts for

2737
01:19:18,216 --> 01:19:19,983
those systems.

2738
01:19:18,983 --> 01:19:21,283
one of the principal questions

2739
01:19:20,083 --> 01:19:24,516
that we started out with just

2740
01:19:21,383 --> 01:19:25,450
what is artificial turf?

2741
01:19:24,616 --> 01:19:26,250
kind of working definition

2742
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:27,883
that we had, this actually is

2743
01:19:26,350 --> 01:19:30,583
of not in the code today, it

2744
01:19:27,983 --> 01:19:31,116
was proposed by our

2745
01:19:30,683 --> 01:19:32,650
co-development team

2746
01:19:31,216 --> 01:19:33,483
independent from this

2747
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:35,483
legislative directive as they

2748
01:19:33,583 --> 01:19:36,383
were looking at kind of our

2749
01:19:35,583 --> 01:19:38,616
single-family housing code,

2750
01:19:36,483 --> 01:19:41,016
looking at updating the

2751
01:19:38,716 --> 01:19:42,616
definitions chapter to address

2752
01:19:41,116 --> 01:19:44,083
artificial or hybrid turf, a

2753
01:19:42,716 --> 01:19:45,183
system which has the

2754
01:19:44,183 --> 01:19:47,716
appearance of natural turf

2755
01:19:45,283 --> 01:19:49,450
grass or reinforces natural

2756
01:19:47,816 --> 01:19:50,316
turf grass, there's not 100%

2757
01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:51,816
natural turf grass.

2758
01:19:50,416 --> 01:19:53,216
basically what I would say,

2759
01:19:51,916 --> 01:19:53,516
again, this was a pretty broad

2760
01:19:53,316 --> 01:19:54,850
definition.

2761
01:19:53,616 --> 01:19:55,950
I think it is a good starting

2762
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:57,483
point to think about it.

2763
01:19:56,050 --> 01:19:58,616
there are a really broad range

2764
01:19:57,583 --> 01:19:59,716
of these types of systems out

2765
01:19:58,716 --> 01:20:01,783
there.

2766
01:19:59,816 --> 01:20:02,116
they can take many different

2767
01:20:01,883 --> 01:20:03,850
forms.

2768
01:20:02,216 --> 01:20:05,316
one of the things -- one other

2769
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:06,183
thing that I would note,

2770
01:20:05,416 --> 01:20:08,050
though, in terms of our

2771
01:20:06,283 --> 01:20:09,483
literature review, the

2772
01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:10,950
minnesota storm water manual

2773
01:20:09,883 --> 01:20:13,016
is preparing and has been kind

2774
01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:14,650
of preparing to provide some

2775
01:20:13,116 --> 01:20:14,983
guidance on synthetic turf

2776
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:18,283
systems.

2777
01:20:15,183 --> 01:20:19,050
it was a requirement from the

2778
01:20:18,383 --> 01:20:20,950
legislature, I believe, last

2779
01:20:19,150 --> 01:20:21,950
year through a study,

2780
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:24,116
essentially, that might also

2781
01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:26,550
really inform what we end up,

2782
01:20:24,616 --> 01:20:28,650
if we adopt the definition of

2783
01:20:26,650 --> 01:20:29,850
artificial or synthetic turf,

2784
01:20:28,750 --> 01:20:33,016
looking to the state level

2785
01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:34,216
what they're proposing.

2786
01:20:33,116 --> 01:20:35,283
in terms of how artificial

2787
01:20:34,316 --> 01:20:36,533
turf is regulated today, I

2788
01:20:35,383 --> 01:20:38,400
think the main thing that I do

2789
01:20:36,633 --> 01:20:39,866
want to leave with you all

2790
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:41,166
here is that it is not a

2791
01:20:39,966 --> 01:20:42,533
prohibited thing in the city.

2792
01:20:41,266 --> 01:20:44,133
folks can have artificial

2793
01:20:42,633 --> 01:20:45,233
turf.

2794
01:20:44,233 --> 01:20:46,866
the main two standards in

2795
01:20:45,316 --> 01:20:48,766
zoning that they are subject

2796
01:20:46,966 --> 01:20:49,100
to would be impervious surf

2797
01:20:48,866 --> 01:20:51,266
requirements.

2798
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,866
so we have a maximum on

2799
01:20:51,366 --> 01:20:53,566
impervious surface that you

2800
01:20:51,966 --> 01:20:54,233
can have on a particular lot,

2801
01:20:53,666 --> 01:20:54,800
depending on the zoning

2802
01:20:54,333 --> 01:20:56,666
district.

2803
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:58,533
and we currently treat

2804
01:20:56,766 --> 01:20:59,733
artificial turf as an I am

2805
01:20:58,633 --> 01:21:03,000
preservous surface, similar to

2806
01:20:59,833 --> 01:21:03,933
other things like permeable

2807
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:05,566
pavers that purport and

2808
01:21:04,033 --> 01:21:06,433
represent that they are

2809
01:21:05,666 --> 01:21:07,633
permeable, but which either

2810
01:21:06,533 --> 01:21:10,066
have maintenance requirements

2811
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,500
or which may have other draw

2812
01:21:10,166 --> 01:21:12,933
baks.

2813
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,933
drawbacks.

2814
01:21:13,033 --> 01:21:15,233
secondly, it is not considered

2815
01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:15,533
an alternative to required

2816
01:21:15,333 --> 01:21:17,700
landscaping.

2817
01:21:15,633 --> 01:21:18,866
so when we talk about required

2818
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,600
yards for a property, you

2819
01:21:18,966 --> 01:21:23,033
cannot have artificial turf in

2820
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:23,900
lieu of a natural grass or

2821
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:25,466
natural landscaping.

2822
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,333
if you cannot meet those two

2823
01:21:25,566 --> 01:21:28,433
standards in terms of

2824
01:21:27,433 --> 01:21:30,166
providing artificial turf,

2825
01:21:28,533 --> 01:21:31,033
typically and historically the

2826
01:21:30,266 --> 01:21:33,133
avenue for you has been to

2827
01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:34,033
seek a land use variance from

2828
01:21:33,216 --> 01:21:36,133
those requirements.

2829
01:21:34,133 --> 01:21:37,333
and then from the public works

2830
01:21:36,233 --> 01:21:39,533
perspective, they noted that

2831
01:21:37,433 --> 01:21:41,666
any project that does disturb

2832
01:21:39,633 --> 01:21:43,166
over half an acre or more of

2833
01:21:41,766 --> 01:21:44,266
soils does need to demonstrate

2834
01:21:43,266 --> 01:21:45,800
compliance with city storm

2835
01:21:44,366 --> 01:21:47,333
water requirements, so that

2836
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:49,733
includes run-off rate control,

2837
01:21:47,433 --> 01:21:49,966
water quality, and volume

2838
01:21:49,833 --> 01:21:51,966
control.

2839
01:21:50,066 --> 01:21:56,233
typically how that works and,

2840
01:21:52,066 --> 01:21:57,100
again, I would defer really

2841
01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:58,366
any in-depth scientific

2842
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,800
questions to our surface water

2843
01:21:58,466 --> 01:22:01,200
and sewer staff, but design

2844
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:02,766
documents are provided as part

2845
01:22:01,933 --> 01:22:05,133
of that application that are

2846
01:22:02,866 --> 01:22:08,166
then used to model or simulate

2847
01:22:05,233 --> 01:22:09,566
the performance of that ground

2848
01:22:08,266 --> 01:22:10,333
cover material in a rain event

2849
01:22:09,733 --> 01:22:11,566
or storm event.

2850
01:22:10,433 --> 01:22:13,766
one thing to note here, there

2851
01:22:11,666 --> 01:22:17,366
really is not a application or

2852
01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:18,366
a permit or other regulatory

2853
01:22:17,466 --> 01:22:21,600
document that would trigger

2854
01:22:18,466 --> 01:22:21,900
for a very small-scale

2855
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:22,900
application.

2856
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,200
so if someone wanted to

2857
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,300
replace their front yard with

2858
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:29,266
artificial turf, there right

2859
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,200
now is just not a review

2860
01:22:29,366 --> 01:22:31,233
mechanism or anything that

2861
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:32,000
triggers a city review and

2862
01:22:31,333 --> 01:22:33,433
that would be something that

2863
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:36,000
would need to be created and

2864
01:22:33,533 --> 01:22:37,100
obviously has kind of knock-on

2865
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:39,600
effects in terms of

2866
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,033
enforcement.

2867
01:22:39,700 --> 01:22:41,900
part of this legislative

2868
01:22:41,133 --> 01:22:43,466
directive was looking at the

2869
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,500
climate and water quality

2870
01:22:43,566 --> 01:22:48,866
impacts, you know, how can we

2871
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,700
justify artificial turf as an

2872
01:22:48,966 --> 01:22:51,266
allowed material in lieu of

2873
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,900
some of our goals around

2874
01:22:51,366 --> 01:22:54,166
climate sustainability in the

2875
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,933
2040 plan.

2876
01:22:54,933 --> 01:22:59,266
in terms of those that work in

2877
01:22:58,033 --> 01:23:00,400
favor of artificial turf,

2878
01:22:59,366 --> 01:23:01,666
there's definitely an argument

2879
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,066
for decreased water usage.

2880
01:23:01,766 --> 01:23:05,433
it's part of the reason why

2881
01:23:03,166 --> 01:23:06,633
they have they've seen a much

2882
01:23:05,533 --> 01:23:07,400
larger uptick in the

2883
01:23:06,733 --> 01:23:08,500
southwestern united states in

2884
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:10,200
dry areas.

2885
01:23:08,766 --> 01:23:10,633
it typically incorporates

2886
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:11,300
recycled materials.

2887
01:23:10,733 --> 01:23:14,200
so we're going to talk a

2888
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,850
little bit about rubber crumb

2889
01:23:14,733 --> 01:23:16,866
or crumb rubber infill.

2890
01:23:15,966 --> 01:23:18,200
those are typically made out

2891
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:19,400
of recycled tires, and that is

2892
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:20,700
one of the few ways that the

2893
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:22,100
industry has found to reuse

2894
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,800
that type of material.

2895
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,466
and then the other note is

2896
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:28,300
from a sustainability, you

2897
01:23:26,566 --> 01:23:30,433
know, the climate 'cost to the

2898
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,866
functional or the use cost,

2899
01:23:30,533 --> 01:23:32,733
typically those artificial

2900
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:34,600
systems, especially here in

2901
01:23:32,833 --> 01:23:36,133
the north where we have kind

2902
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,600
of wacky weather over winter

2903
01:23:36,216 --> 01:23:39,566
and spring, they have a longer

2904
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:41,333
usable period.

2905
01:23:39,733 --> 01:23:42,866
so artificial turf is ready

2906
01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:45,100
sooner and is playable longer

2907
01:23:42,966 --> 01:23:47,066
into the fall and into early

2908
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,600
winter than a natural turf.

2909
01:23:47,566 --> 01:23:50,600
in terms of kind of points

2910
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:52,133
against artificial turf, one

2911
01:23:51,466 --> 01:23:54,133
of the main things is that

2912
01:23:52,233 --> 01:23:55,200
this would be a contributor to

2913
01:23:54,233 --> 01:23:56,666
urban heat island effect in

2914
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:58,100
terms of that plastic does

2915
01:23:56,766 --> 01:23:59,066
retain and hold on to heat a

2916
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,633
lot more than a natural grass

2917
01:23:59,166 --> 01:24:01,200
would.

2918
01:23:59,733 --> 01:24:02,400
obviously if you're replacing

2919
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:03,900
natural landscaping, you're

2920
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:04,666
losing some biodiversity and

2921
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,433
natural habitat.

2922
01:24:04,766 --> 01:24:08,066
and then there is just a

2923
01:24:06,533 --> 01:24:10,066
higher carbon footprint in

2924
01:24:08,166 --> 01:24:10,400
installing an artificial turf

2925
01:24:10,166 --> 01:24:11,500
field.

2926
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:12,933
there can be some savings in

2927
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,833
terms of, again, having

2928
01:24:13,033 --> 01:24:15,900
decreased water usage, but a

2929
01:24:14,933 --> 01:24:17,433
thing to keep in mind is that

2930
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,000
these typically have about a

2931
01:24:17,533 --> 01:24:19,433
ten-year life span.

2932
01:24:18,166 --> 01:24:20,333
so even if they're using

2933
01:24:19,533 --> 01:24:22,733
recycled materials, even if

2934
01:24:20,433 --> 01:24:23,933
they're allowing if a longer

2935
01:24:22,833 --> 01:24:25,400
in-year usability, they're

2936
01:24:24,033 --> 01:24:26,400
still going to be kind of a

2937
01:24:25,483 --> 01:24:27,833
deadline on that field where

2938
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:29,033
it needs to then be disposed

2939
01:24:27,933 --> 01:24:30,666
of, typically to just a

2940
01:24:29,133 --> 01:24:33,000
landfill.

2941
01:24:30,766 --> 01:24:34,000
again, I mentioned that rubber

2942
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:35,300
crumb infill material, this

2943
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:37,466
was one where we did reach out

2944
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:38,500
to our environmental health

2945
01:24:37,566 --> 01:24:40,033
staff and they really

2946
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,100
highlighted a lot of concerns

2947
01:24:40,133 --> 01:24:43,866
about the potential storm

2948
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,500
water impacts of that rubber

2949
01:24:43,966 --> 01:24:47,866
crumb material washing out

2950
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,700
into water bodies around us,

2951
01:24:47,966 --> 01:24:51,166
specifically there has been

2952
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,433
some studies monitoring levels

2953
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:57,133
of heavy metals, pfas, pahss

2954
01:24:55,533 --> 01:24:58,066
and in general microplastics,

2955
01:24:57,233 --> 01:25:00,766
they're a major source.

2956
01:24:58,166 --> 01:25:02,166
again, more so from the kind

2957
01:25:00,866 --> 01:25:03,366
of habitat or economic

2958
01:25:02,266 --> 01:25:06,933
health -- or ecological

2959
01:25:03,466 --> 01:25:08,000
health, accuse me, rather than a

2960
01:25:07,033 --> 01:25:08,700
person playing on the field is

2961
01:25:08,100 --> 01:25:10,466
not necessarily going to be

2962
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,666
subject to some of those

2963
01:25:10,566 --> 01:25:15,166
chemicals but it would run off

2964
01:25:11,766 --> 01:25:16,466
into the water.looking at kind o

2965
01:25:15,266 --> 01:25:19,000
the ordinance, specifically

2966
01:25:16,566 --> 01:25:20,566
looking at the zoning code,becas

2967
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:21,266
been the larger barrier for

2968
01:25:20,666 --> 01:25:23,433
some of the projects that

2969
01:25:21,366 --> 01:25:24,633
we've seen in the past, like,

2970
01:25:23,533 --> 01:25:26,166
five, ten years that have come

2971
01:25:25,066 --> 01:25:27,966
in looking to do artificial

2972
01:25:26,266 --> 01:25:29,266
turf either for like an

2973
01:25:28,066 --> 01:25:32,000
athletic field context or for

2974
01:25:29,366 --> 01:25:33,233
again a more residential or

2975
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:35,100
quasi residential use.

2976
01:25:33,333 --> 01:25:36,766
one is that rht now,

2977
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,200
obviously, we treat artificial

2978
01:25:36,866 --> 01:25:40,166
turf as an impervious surface.

2979
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:42,366
one option would be to exclude

2980
01:25:40,266 --> 01:25:44,233
those types of materials from

2981
01:25:42,466 --> 01:25:44,566
maxim preservous surface

2982
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:45,633
calculations.

2983
01:25:44,666 --> 01:25:46,433
there's a couple concerns from

2984
01:25:45,733 --> 01:25:47,800
staff on this.

2985
01:25:46,533 --> 01:25:49,133
one is partly just allowing

2986
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:50,233
for mor of these types of

2987
01:25:49,233 --> 01:25:51,700
surfaces is not necessarily in

2988
01:25:50,333 --> 01:25:52,266
line with a lot of our

2989
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,866
long-term susinability

2990
01:25:52,366 --> 01:25:55,400
goals.

2991
01:25:53,966 --> 01:25:56,600
obviouy we mentioned urban

2992
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:58,033
heat island.

2993
01:25:56,766 --> 01:25:59,666
if you just kind of roll these

2994
01:25:58,133 --> 01:26:00,900
out in a lot of different

2995
01:25:59,766 --> 01:26:02,533
areas, we're going to see an

2996
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,366
uptick in that kind of heat

2997
01:26:02,633 --> 01:26:04,900
retention at the ground level.

2998
01:26:03,466 --> 01:26:06,766
the other side is just,

2999
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,533
though, from an enforcement

3000
01:26:06,866 --> 01:26:11,066
perspective and kind of the

3001
01:26:09,633 --> 01:26:13,166
infrastructure surroundingthese.

3002
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:14,366
again, we would need to create

3003
01:26:13,266 --> 01:26:15,900
some sort of a permito

3004
01:26:14,466 --> 01:26:16,800
facilitate these types of

3005
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,200
applications, along with that

3006
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:20,800
there would be inspections and

3007
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:22,733
then long-term compliance,

3008
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:25,800
which is really not something

3009
01:26:22,833 --> 01:26:27,800
that our inspectors do today.

3010
01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:28,700
secondarily would be to allow

3011
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:29,466
artificial turf as a

3012
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,666
replacement for nural

3013
01:26:29,566 --> 01:26:32,000
landscaping.

3014
01:26:30,766 --> 01:26:33,033
again, there is som argument

3015
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:35,066
for where that could be

3016
01:26:33,133 --> 01:26:36,033
allowed as a permitted

3017
01:26:35,166 --> 01:26:38,900
obstruction or where it could

3018
01:26:36,133 --> 01:26:40,000
be required in those --

3019
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,566
permitted in those required

3020
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:41,766
yard areas.

3021
01:26:40,666 --> 01:26:43,200
staff has a concern about

3022
01:26:41,866 --> 01:26:43,766
wholesale treating this as a

3023
01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:44,833
landaping material.

3024
01:26:43,866 --> 01:26:48,200
we have had a couple of cases

3025
01:26:45,466 --> 01:26:51,033
in the past, I think since

3026
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:52,000
2020, where we now things like

3027
01:26:51,233 --> 01:26:53,366
landscape ro to be used in

3028
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:54,133
certain areas, but typically

3029
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:56,766
ere are restrictions there

3030
01:26:54,466 --> 01:26:57,866
inerms of requiring

3031
01:26:56,866 --> 01:26:59,400
plantings to be so spacend

3032
01:26:57,966 --> 01:27:00,566
that, it can't just be

3033
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:01,633
landscape rock or you c't

3034
01:27:00,733 --> 01:27:02,700
have it in areas thatould

3035
01:27:01,733 --> 01:27:03,400
wash out to youreighbor's

3036
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,033
property.

3037
01:27:04,233 --> 01:27:06,700
so there's certainly,

3038
01:27:05,133 --> 01:27:08,333
essentially, looking at art

3039
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,433
tissue turf would probably

3040
01:27:08,416 --> 01:27:11,600
also require looking at some

3041
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,600
of those other nonnatural,

3042
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:16,300
nonlandscaping materials.

3043
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:17,833
looking at artificial turf.

3044
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,100
again I talked about there is

3045
01:27:17,933 --> 01:27:22,200
not a regulatory arm for this.

3046
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,766
one of the major impacts would

3047
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:25,333
be increased staff needs, in

3048
01:27:23,866 --> 01:27:26,633
terms of again our inspectors

3049
01:27:25,433 --> 01:27:29,033
are not currently currently

3050
01:27:26,733 --> 01:27:30,100
trained to -- we would need to

3051
01:27:29,133 --> 01:27:30,933
create a performance standard

3052
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,666
for any of these systems that

3053
01:27:31,033 --> 01:27:35,633
are going to be deemed as

3054
01:27:33,766 --> 01:27:36,300
preservous versus impreservous

3055
01:27:35,733 --> 01:27:39,300
surface.

3056
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,033
and then how do you maintain

3057
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,066
that compliance long term.

3058
01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:43,700
so one of the issues we have

3059
01:27:42,166 --> 01:27:46,033
right now with permeable

3060
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,600
pavers, we don't count those

3061
01:27:46,433 --> 01:27:49,433
as preservous surface, even

3062
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:50,066
though if you maintain them

3063
01:27:49,533 --> 01:27:50,633
correctly they can function

3064
01:27:50,166 --> 01:27:51,666
well.

3065
01:27:50,733 --> 01:27:52,333
the bigger issue is

3066
01:27:51,766 --> 01:27:53,433
maintenance, right.

3067
01:27:52,433 --> 01:27:54,900
how do we know that five

3068
01:27:53,533 --> 01:27:55,833
years, ten years down the line

3069
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,716
that property owner is still

3070
01:27:55,933 --> 01:27:59,700
having that function at the

3071
01:27:56,833 --> 01:28:00,983
highest level.

3072
01:27:59,866 --> 01:28:03,133
in terms of how other cities

3073
01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:03,733
are looking at this, and as I

3074
01:28:03,233 --> 01:28:06,400
mentioned, you probably have

3075
01:28:03,833 --> 01:28:08,466
heard a lot more about

3076
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:10,033
artificial turf from like

3077
01:28:08,566 --> 01:28:11,466
arizona or a california or a

3078
01:28:10,133 --> 01:28:12,700
drier climate area, and that

3079
01:28:11,566 --> 01:28:14,533
is because there is that kind

3080
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,000
of decreased water need.

3081
01:28:14,633 --> 01:28:17,133
when we looked at some of our

3082
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:18,333
peer cities in terms of size,

3083
01:28:17,233 --> 01:28:20,166
but also in terms of being

3084
01:28:18,433 --> 01:28:21,633
kind of more northern in the

3085
01:28:20,266 --> 01:28:23,833
united states, there wasn't as

3086
01:28:21,733 --> 01:28:25,266
much robust language in those

3087
01:28:23,933 --> 01:28:25,700
cities in terms of zoning or

3088
01:28:25,366 --> 01:28:27,033
policy.

3089
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,233
most tended to treat it

3090
01:28:27,133 --> 01:28:31,566
similarly to how we kind of do

3091
01:28:28,333 --> 01:28:33,533
today in terms of being I am

3092
01:28:31,666 --> 01:28:34,533
preservous surface.

3093
01:28:33,833 --> 01:28:35,600
a very recent example that

3094
01:28:34,633 --> 01:28:37,300
staff would highlight is the

3095
01:28:35,700 --> 01:28:39,266
city of denver, in following

3096
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,133
the state of colorado's recent

3097
01:28:39,366 --> 01:28:42,666
legislative language is

3098
01:28:41,233 --> 01:28:44,200
adopting definitions for

3099
01:28:42,766 --> 01:28:45,600
functional landscape area

3100
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:45,800
versus nonfunctional landscape

3101
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:47,966
area.

3102
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:48,933
that is looking at both

3103
01:28:48,066 --> 01:28:50,900
artificial r turf and natural

3104
01:28:49,033 --> 01:28:53,600
turf from a perspective of

3105
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,533
limiting just kind of grass or

3106
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:56,533
green space as a ground cover.

3107
01:28:55,633 --> 01:28:59,033
and instead kind of putting

3108
01:28:56,633 --> 01:28:59,966
the focus on, we are going to

3109
01:28:59,133 --> 01:29:01,733
allow artificial turf where

3110
01:29:00,066 --> 01:29:02,933
it's being used for an

3111
01:29:01,833 --> 01:29:03,166
athletic field or a functional

3112
01:29:03,033 --> 01:29:03,833
purpose.

3113
01:29:03,266 --> 01:29:05,366
that could be something that

3114
01:29:03,933 --> 01:29:06,350
the city looks at if, again,

3115
01:29:05,466 --> 01:29:08,566
there is an appetite to take

3116
01:29:06,533 --> 01:29:09,000
up the question of artificial

3117
01:29:08,666 --> 01:29:10,666
turf.

3118
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,100
but, again, I would say, from

3119
01:29:10,766 --> 01:29:13,400
staff's perspective, in

3120
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:14,700
looking at the zoning code,

3121
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:17,333
there probably is some ability

3122
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,566
to, ain, add a definition,

3123
01:29:17,433 --> 01:29:21,066
daylight a little bit of the

3124
01:29:19,666 --> 01:29:23,400
existing provisions, but there

3125
01:29:21,166 --> 01:29:25,333
are larger concerns with kind

3126
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:27,400
of opening pandora's box and

3127
01:29:25,433 --> 01:29:28,066
allows these across the -- and

3128
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:28,733
allowing these across the

3129
01:29:28,166 --> 01:29:30,166
city.

3130
01:29:28,833 --> 01:29:31,300
again, I'm happy to stand for

3131
01:29:30,266 --> 01:29:31,500
any questions you all may

3132
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:32,666
have.

3133
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,433
this is our project team, as

3134
01:29:32,766 --> 01:29:34,466
well as I mentioned we did

3135
01:29:33,533 --> 01:29:35,466
work with the health

3136
01:29:34,566 --> 01:29:36,700
department a little bit and

3137
01:29:35,566 --> 01:29:39,633
major shout-out to them for

3138
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,000
providing some guidance on the

3139
01:29:39,733 --> 01:29:41,300
materials.

3140
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:41,966
and, yeah, we're happy to

3141
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,433
answer any questions.

3142
01:29:42,533 --> 01:29:44,766
» Colleagues, is there any

3143
01:29:43,533 --> 01:29:50,333
questions on this

3144
01:29:44,866 --> 01:29:51,766
presentation?

3145
01:29:50,433 --> 01:29:58,066
council member warren.

3146
01:29:51,933 --> 01:29:59,000
» I don't like plastic grass.

3147
01:29:58,166 --> 01:30:01,533
» Thank you.

3148
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,966
I mean, I was just going to

3149
01:30:01,633 --> 01:30:04,800
quick make a comment myself.

3150
01:30:03,333 --> 01:30:05,800
I think there's definitely

3151
01:30:04,900 --> 01:30:11,000
something worth looking into

3152
01:30:06,733 --> 01:30:11,766
in terms of the types of

3153
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:13,033
artificial turf even allowed

3154
01:30:12,166 --> 01:30:17,233
as a functional use that we

3155
01:30:13,133 --> 01:30:20,700
should look at as a city in

3156
01:30:17,333 --> 01:30:25,333
2024, the e.u. Put a ban on

3157
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:27,966
crumb rubber infill turf due

3158
01:30:26,166 --> 01:30:30,633
to concerns around

3159
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,733
microplastics, pfas, heavy

3160
01:30:30,733 --> 01:30:32,866
metals as laid out by staff,

3161
01:30:31,833 --> 01:30:36,566
and there's other alternatives

3162
01:30:32,966 --> 01:30:40,666
that are available that are

3163
01:30:36,666 --> 01:30:44,833
organic, like cork, sand, or

3164
01:30:40,766 --> 01:30:45,366
parts of the outer husk of a

3165
01:30:44,933 --> 01:30:46,666
coconut.

3166
01:30:45,666 --> 01:30:48,366
in the planning commission

3167
01:30:46,766 --> 01:30:49,633
there has been a few different

3168
01:30:48,466 --> 01:30:50,433
types of artificial turf

3169
01:30:49,733 --> 01:30:53,933
that's come before us.

3170
01:30:50,533 --> 01:30:54,833
but I think this is definitely

3171
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:55,700
an interesting starting point

3172
01:30:54,933 --> 01:30:58,066
for this conversation that I

3173
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:59,600
do feel like will come back to

3174
01:30:58,766 --> 01:31:02,666
us eventually because

3175
01:30:59,700 --> 01:31:05,400
artificial turf has had that

3176
01:31:02,866 --> 01:31:06,966
type of way of coming back to

3177
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:07,500
bhz, or the planning

3178
01:31:07,066 --> 01:31:09,366
commission.

3179
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,233
members, is there any other

3180
01:31:09,466 --> 01:31:11,566
questions on this

3181
01:31:10,333 --> 01:31:15,733
presentation?

3182
01:31:13,933 --> 01:31:19,400
» Yeah, just, I remember

3183
01:31:15,833 --> 01:31:21,466
debating this while university

3184
01:31:19,533 --> 01:31:23,666
of minnesota housing area.

3185
01:31:21,566 --> 01:31:26,166
do we have a city policy or

3186
01:31:23,766 --> 01:31:27,066
ordinance that really clears

3187
01:31:26,266 --> 01:31:32,766
out what's appropriate, what's

3188
01:31:27,166 --> 01:31:33,933
not?

3189
01:31:32,866 --> 01:31:35,266
yeah, just wanted to know do

3190
01:31:34,066 --> 01:31:40,166
we have a city ordinance,

3191
01:31:35,366 --> 01:31:42,700
policy that really says, you

3192
01:31:40,266 --> 01:31:48,966
know, where to apply and who

3193
01:31:44,766 --> 01:31:51,566
can have artificial turf?

3194
01:31:49,366 --> 01:31:53,566
» Chair osman, I think

3195
01:31:51,666 --> 01:31:58,533
generally we do, right.

3196
01:31:55,033 --> 01:32:00,033
so artificial turf is

3197
01:31:58,633 --> 01:32:02,466
permitted as a -- similarly to

3198
01:32:00,133 --> 01:32:02,966
how we would do other types of

3199
01:32:02,766 --> 01:32:04,033
hardscaping.

3200
01:32:03,066 --> 01:32:04,700
so it's allowed within the

3201
01:32:04,133 --> 01:32:05,900
confines of that.

3202
01:32:04,866 --> 01:32:07,300
so as long as it's outside of

3203
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,266
the required yard and it

3204
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,033
doesn't exceed the

3205
01:32:09,366 --> 01:32:12,166
impreservous coverage, but you

3206
01:32:11,133 --> 01:32:15,166
can't cover your entire

3207
01:32:12,266 --> 01:32:16,533
property with t. Impervious.

3208
01:32:15,266 --> 01:32:17,433
so I think from staff's

3209
01:32:16,633 --> 01:32:19,433
perspective, our research

3210
01:32:17,533 --> 01:32:20,633
really supported the current

3211
01:32:19,533 --> 01:32:22,233
policy with maybe the

3212
01:32:20,733 --> 01:32:23,400
exception around where it

3213
01:32:22,333 --> 01:32:24,900
could be applied in more

3214
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:27,433
practical settings, like

3215
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,800
athletic fields or

3216
01:32:27,866 --> 01:32:29,766
playgrounds, in those kinds of

3217
01:32:28,900 --> 01:32:31,300
environments it might make

3218
01:32:29,866 --> 01:32:32,200
sense to be a little bit more

3219
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:33,633
permissive.

3220
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:34,200
but I think staff's

3221
01:32:33,733 --> 01:32:36,733
recommendation at this point

3222
01:32:35,233 --> 01:32:37,583
is that we would hold with our

3223
01:32:36,833 --> 01:32:38,466
current regulations.

3224
01:32:37,866 --> 01:32:40,566
» Okay.

3225
01:32:38,566 --> 01:32:41,433
thank you so much.

3226
01:32:40,666 --> 01:32:44,566
that's it.

3227
01:32:41,533 --> 01:32:45,100
just wanted to make that

3228
01:32:44,666 --> 01:32:46,300
point.

3229
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,833
I think the last item that

3230
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:51,766
came through was whole

3231
01:32:48,933 --> 01:32:52,700
discussion about this and the

3232
01:32:51,866 --> 01:32:56,966
uniqueness of technology and

3233
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:59,266
how things are changing now

3234
01:32:57,066 --> 01:33:02,766
and, you know, places that

3235
01:32:59,366 --> 01:33:03,100
they can apply could be a

3236
01:33:02,866 --> 01:33:07,733
conversation.

3237
01:33:03,266 --> 01:33:08,866
so it's kind of nice to be

3238
01:33:07,833 --> 01:33:11,033
clear of what's allowed and

3239
01:33:08,966 --> 01:33:15,500
what's not allowed and also at

3240
01:33:11,133 --> 01:33:16,733
the same time think about it

3241
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:18,200
if there might be

3242
01:33:16,833 --> 01:33:19,200
opportunities to update our

3243
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:20,400
policies based on technologies

3244
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:21,700
that are coming forward each

3245
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:23,100
day.

3246
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,233
that's it.

3247
01:33:23,966 --> 01:33:26,666
» Yeah.

3248
01:33:24,333 --> 01:33:27,233
council member warn.

3249
01:33:26,766 --> 01:33:28,900
thank you.

3250
01:33:27,766 --> 01:33:31,766
» I'm glad to hear you say

3251
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:34,766
that you can't cover your

3252
01:33:31,866 --> 01:33:36,100
entire yard with this

3253
01:33:34,866 --> 01:33:38,000
impervious grass, because

3254
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,433
you're not even seeing worms

3255
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:40,400
come out the ground anymore

3256
01:33:39,533 --> 01:33:42,800
when it rains.

3257
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:46,566
we've had a lot of rain, and I

3258
01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:47,133
bet you haven't even seen

3259
01:33:46,666 --> 01:33:47,466
worms crawling over the

3260
01:33:47,233 --> 01:33:51,066
sidewalk.

3261
01:33:47,566 --> 01:33:52,100
you used to have to sweep the

3262
01:33:51,166 --> 01:33:52,500
sidewalks to get rid of all

3263
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,733
the worms.

3264
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:54,300
what happened to all the

3265
01:33:53,833 --> 01:34:00,000
worms?

3266
01:33:54,400 --> 01:34:01,200
and I think these impervious

3267
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:02,233
turfs is the reason we don't

3268
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:02,466
have good quality worms

3269
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:03,233
anymore.

3270
01:34:02,566 --> 01:34:04,766
this is really sad.

3271
01:34:03,333 --> 01:34:07,066
so I'm glad to hear that

3272
01:34:04,866 --> 01:34:08,300
people can't cover their

3273
01:34:07,166 --> 01:34:10,100
entire whatevers with this,

3274
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,266
but we should be very careful

3275
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,566
about the things that we're

3276
01:34:11,366 --> 01:34:15,133
doing to our environment.

3277
01:34:12,666 --> 01:34:19,533
and just grow regular grass.

3278
01:34:15,333 --> 01:34:21,266
and do, like, old crotch

3279
01:34:19,616 --> 01:34:22,366
et ceteray cantankerous people

3280
01:34:21,366 --> 01:34:24,700
used to do when we were kids

3281
01:34:22,466 --> 01:34:25,800
back in the early '80s, tell

3282
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,066
people to stay offour yard.

3283
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:29,866
the end.

3284
01:34:26,166 --> 01:34:30,400
» Thank you, council member.

3285
01:34:29,966 --> 01:34:31,966
council member shaffer.

3286
01:34:30,566 --> 01:34:32,866
» Yeah, I'll just make a

3287
01:34:32,066 --> 01:34:34,933
couple comments.

3288
01:34:32,966 --> 01:34:36,800
one, I know crumb rubber is

3289
01:34:35,033 --> 01:34:37,233
not used at all in the par

3290
01:34:36,900 --> 01:34:39,366
system anymore.

3291
01:34:37,333 --> 01:34:40,666
there may be some latent

3292
01:34:39,466 --> 01:34:42,433
outliers, but that's not where

3293
01:34:40,766 --> 01:34:44,766
they move forward and many of

3294
01:34:42,533 --> 01:34:45,433
the soccer fields are

3295
01:34:44,866 --> 01:34:47,600
sand-filled, elliot.

3296
01:34:45,533 --> 01:34:49,366
and then I would say, I'm not

3297
01:34:47,700 --> 01:34:51,133
sure we as a city have

3298
01:34:49,466 --> 01:34:52,700
jurisdiction over fields and

3299
01:34:51,233 --> 01:34:53,133
playgrounds that would be on

3300
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,300
parkland.

3301
01:34:53,300 --> 01:34:57,633
so that might be a question

3302
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,966
just for further

3303
01:34:57,733 --> 01:34:58,633
investigation.

3304
01:34:58,066 --> 01:35:01,933
that was my one comment.

3305
01:34:58,733 --> 01:35:03,266
thank you.

3306
01:35:02,033 --> 01:35:05,566
» We can ask that question

3307
01:35:03,450 --> 01:35:06,433
now because now I'm curious if

3308
01:35:05,666 --> 01:35:08,066
we have any jurisction.

3309
01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:09,100
» Kay.

3310
01:35:08,166 --> 01:35:10,766
cped, I don't think we do but

3311
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,733
maybe we do.

3312
01:35:10,933 --> 01:35:13,700
» Through the chair, council

3313
01:35:12,833 --> 01:35:15,166
member shaffer, so the city

3314
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,366
does have zing authority

3315
01:35:15,266 --> 01:35:19,000
over the parks, which would

3316
01:35:17,466 --> 01:35:19,900
include the impervious

3317
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:21,533
coverage and the materials.

3318
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,533
» Okay, thank you.

3319
01:35:21,833 --> 01:35:25,966
» Okay.

3320
01:35:22,633 --> 01:35:27,066
that's very useful.

3321
01:35:26,366 --> 01:35:29,900
is there anyone else that

3322
01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:30,566
wants to be in queue?

3323
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,866
council member chavez.

3324
01:35:30,833 --> 01:35:32,966
» I'll be quick.

3325
01:35:31,966 --> 01:35:35,433
thank you all so much.

3326
01:35:33,066 --> 01:35:38,033
whatever we need to do to make

3327
01:35:35,533 --> 01:35:39,566
sure that we're not using

3328
01:35:38,133 --> 01:35:41,333
these materials as often as

3329
01:35:39,666 --> 01:35:43,700
some folks do, that's what I

3330
01:35:41,433 --> 01:35:45,866
would like to do because it

3331
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,633
really does have a detrimental

3332
01:35:45,966 --> 01:35:49,833
impact on people's health.

3333
01:35:47,733 --> 01:35:51,566
so I at least -- and the

3334
01:35:49,933 --> 01:35:52,433
worms.

3335
01:35:51,666 --> 01:35:53,066
that council member warren

3336
01:35:52,533 --> 01:35:54,200
mentioned.

3337
01:35:53,166 --> 01:35:55,600
but, yeah, in general, thank

3338
01:35:54,300 --> 01:35:57,700
you so much to staff for the

3339
01:35:55,700 --> 01:36:00,000
presentation today.

3340
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,233
I'd like to know in the

3341
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:03,300
future, based than on this

3342
01:36:01,333 --> 01:36:04,500
presentation, which has been

3343
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,666
outlined, what we need to do

3344
01:36:04,733 --> 01:36:07,033
to make sure that we're not

3345
01:36:05,766 --> 01:36:08,433
using these artificial things

3346
01:36:07,133 --> 01:36:09,200
that are really impacting

3347
01:36:08,533 --> 01:36:10,166
people's health.

3348
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:10,600
so, yeah, just wanted to

3349
01:36:10,266 --> 01:36:11,566
mention that.

3350
01:36:10,966 --> 01:36:13,200
» Thanks.

3351
01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:13,866
ah, I'll just close off by

3352
01:36:13,300 --> 01:36:17,066
saying, unless anyone else

3353
01:36:13,966 --> 01:36:19,966
gets in queue, I think if we

3354
01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:21,733
have preservous pavers that

3355
01:36:20,066 --> 01:36:22,966
are considered impervious, I

3356
01:36:21,833 --> 01:36:24,433
think that should be

3357
01:36:23,066 --> 01:36:26,366
considered the same thing

3358
01:36:24,533 --> 01:36:27,233
about artificial tuive grass,

3359
01:36:26,466 --> 01:36:28,433
because it's about

3360
01:36:27,333 --> 01:36:29,866
maintenances and our

3361
01:36:28,533 --> 01:36:31,633
enforcement is very limited

3362
01:36:29,966 --> 01:36:33,500
and doing enforcement on turf

3363
01:36:31,733 --> 01:36:34,633
grass that is not well

3364
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,633
maintained I don't think is a

3365
01:36:34,733 --> 01:36:36,166
valuable use of city

3366
01:36:35,733 --> 01:36:37,600
resources.

3367
01:36:36,266 --> 01:36:38,600
but definitely much to think

3368
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:40,200
abou

3369
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:41,566
seeing no one else in queue,

3370
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:43,033
and no further discussion,

3371
01:36:41,666 --> 01:36:44,000
I'll direct the clerk to file

3372
01:36:43,133 --> 01:36:45,533
that staff report and

3373
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:47,033
presentation.

3374
01:36:45,633 --> 01:36:48,566
and no further businessefore

3375
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,633
us and with no objection, I

3376
01:36:48,666 --> 01:37:15,250
will declare this meeting

3377
01:36:49,733 --> 01:37:15,250
adjourned.