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All right, welcome everyone to our planning commission meeting of

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the city of Marino Valley. Nice building. This is nice.

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I like this, okay. Now call this meeting to order

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at exactly 601 p. m. I invite Commissioner Stephan and

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lead us into Pledge of Allegiance. Right hand over your

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heart, please begin. And to the Republic for which his

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hands, one nation, under God, indivisible. We lift in justice

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for all. Of us. Thank you. Can we have a

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roll call, please? Yes, Chair. Commissioner Zites is absent tonight.

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Commissioner Taylor is also absent tonight. Commissioner Stefan. Present. Vice

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chair Baker. Here. Chairperson Djeni. Here. All right. Maybe we

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have a request for Commissioner Taylor's and commissioners likes for

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an excuse absence. So do we have a motion. All

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motion to excuse absences. I'll second. Can we have a

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vote? We'll do a roll call vote, chair. Commissioner Stefan.

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Yes. Vice Chair Baker? Yes. Chairpersoned? Yes. Motion carries. Okay,

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well now move on to the approval of agenda. Do

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I have a motion and a second for the approval

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of the agenda. Our move that we accept the agenda

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submitted. I'll second. Okay. Well.

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The motion does carry. All right, before we hear public

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comments this evening, I ask and encourage everyone participating to

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keep their comments respectful towards others, especially towards individual speaking.

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I embrace the support the First Amendment right to free

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speech, including everyone's right to speak at this meeting and

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share their views about issues concerning our city. Any person

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wishing to speak either under the public comment section of

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the agenda, schedule items or public hearings, must fill out

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a request to speak form available at the door. The

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completed form must be submitted to the Secretary Prior to

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the end of the public comment period. During the public

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comment period for each item, including items not on the

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agenda, each member of the public who has signed up

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to speak will have a maximum of three minutes to

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speak. The public must direct their comments to the chairperson

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of the commission. All right, let's move into public comments

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on any item not on the agenda. Are there any

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speakers? Yes, Chair, we personally have three speaker cards. Our

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first speaker is Ishmael Gonzalez, followed by Fred Bunuelos, then

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followed by Christopher Bacca.

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Good evening. Planning Commission, city staff, everybody here in the

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audience. And at home watching. My name is Osmo Gonzalez.

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I reside in District 2, and I have resided in

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Miranda Valley for the last 20 or so years. At

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the last previous Planning Commission meetings, I've brought up the

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weather. I'm gonna do so again. Uh, at a levely,

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I'm gonna go ahead and call it climate watch as

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a little fun segment. Most of you have already heard

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this on the news or maybe from me in the

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past. But climate change is real. It's happening to us

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right now as we speak. Uh, we are pretty much

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past beyond the point of debate. And we should be

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approaching this concern with an adaptive approach and resiliency in

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mind. Just, uh, yesterday, or maybe the day before 100

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to maybe a thousand people died in Tibet, uh, in

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China, because a huge, massive glacier, broke off, uh, created

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a five point magnitude earthquake. And then had a flash

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flood tear apart. Tens of bridges in that community. It

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was with no warning. And that's what it looks like

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every day. I see a meme always coming up. Climate

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change is coming to you until you're the one recording

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the video. Right? Um. I want to mention this important

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fact that I found on E, uh, MWD, where we

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get, or most of our waterfront, they describe on their

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website that we get approaching Deadpool. I don't know if

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you guys know this. Uh, this week, it's a hundred

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degrees, maybe 110. People are suffering. And it is because

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of the actions of this government and other governments all

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around us at every level, having poor management decisions. Catering

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to corporations who pollute our environment with no regard for

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the people that live in those communities. Here, it is

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manifested by warehouses. It is manifested by what we will

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talk about later today. Refueling stations. I appreciate the sentiment

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that is written in the 2040 general plan. There is

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an effort, although on paper to transition to a green

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sustainable future. But the actions of this city continue to

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go against that. How long do we have to suffer.

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I know in my lifetime, every summer has been getting

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hotter and hotter. You guys have lived longer than I

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have. Please do something about it. Thank you. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Fred Bonuelo's followed by Christopher Bacca.

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Hello everyone. Um, I recently saw that our council meetings,

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they are bringing in these weapons detection devices. So I'm

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wondering if you guys are getting them here. It's a

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pilot program. Uh, if you do, get them here. I

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would suggest that we have an arm trained good guy

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with a gun to take out the threat. Uh, when

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I came out to the meeting last time. Uh, motion

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detector went off with one of our candidates. It was

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kind of funny. I thought, but, uh, that would have

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been a bad guy with a gun. Who's going to

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take that person out. You know, you have deputies that

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are inside of here, but the side that was manning

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that weapons detection device. I went to city hall to,

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uh, kind of check it out over there. And the

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little issue with our security team that was there, uh,

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you can see the issue that I had with them

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later. We have, uh, virtual for our city council. So

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I'm hoping that we can do it here for the

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council. I mean, the commission meetings here, uh, the equipment's

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here. It'll put our media time media team to do

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more stuff, but it's, we need that, you know, the

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times where people can't make it here. And I hope

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we have the option to call in and go Zoom.

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Uh, the other thing is, uh, the chairperson, Alvin, Dijonay,

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I think you made a comment and other meeting about

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parking around schools during school times where it's, it can

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be a problem. Um, I have an issue with people

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parking in bike lanes. It's against the law. And we

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need protected bike lanes. I'm a bike rider now. If

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this is a planning commission and the people in here

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that plan things, let's plan to make the parking lots

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where people can get in and out of there quickly.

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Let's plan it where everybody's happy. So I'm bringing that

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to you guys planning commission. Make it so everybody's happy.

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But these, these people that are parking illegally in the

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bike lanes after school, it's, it's ridiculous. It needs to

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be fixed. I think that's it guys. Thanks. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Christopher Bacca. Good evening community and

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officials. I'm here on behalf of myself as a private

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citizen. And I just want to point out that here

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we are in the middle of the election season. And

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I just want to point out that, uh, our usual,

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um, corrupt developer here, Highland Fairview is already interfering in

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the elections. We have several kind of, uh, candidates up

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here on the city console. I mean, while the city

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console, of course, and there's, um, two here on the

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planning commission that I'm running for office. And I ask

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you why is Highland Fairview reaching out to ask for,

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if, uh, if, if you want monetary donations for your

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campaign, um, they're in the middle of bringing out, um.

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Agreements or wanting the city to create agreements for them

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for the Gilman Springs project that is going to be

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brought onto you. Um, if he's interfering in the elections,

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why is he bringing out these projects that he can't

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do that? That's illegal. Uh, he's hiding behind LLCs and

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lobbyists to do the work with our corrupt staff here,

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which, uh, includes our attorney and our city manager who

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capitulate for highland fair view. And they do, they bent

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over backwards for whatever edel benz EV wants. And which

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is full corruption. And then we have, uh, staff that

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overlook these things and it starts here. They pack the

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agenda with nonsense unknowingly what you're doing. Uh, I believe

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some of you commissioners don't do your job diligently and

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pass these issues without knowing what you're passing, which started

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illegally with a MOU with the Gilman Springs project. That

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was an illegal under the table agreement. And it's going

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to continue. And we're going to see something come up

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to the city so that, uh, the city can pay

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for his infrastructure. That's all it's about. All these projects,

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Aqua Balland, um, real logistics center. Now the Gilman Springs

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project. All of those are farces. They're never going to

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get built. But the city is pouring money into them

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in infrastructure when he is supposed to be paying for

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this. But yet the taxpayer is paying for this by

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because the city are corrupt city staff again, uh, for

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whatever reasons they want to continue putting these fake, um,

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developments on the books. Maybe it makes a city look

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good. It's like, Oh, wow. They're top rated because they

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have all this development coming in and they know very

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well. You staff know very well that these projects are

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bullshit. So you got to stop and we got to

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clean up this city hall and we got to clean

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up the staff and that will happen. And several of

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you officials. Thank you. Our next speaker is Nikita Wilson

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followed by Tatiana Flores. Good evening everyone. My name is

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Nikita Wilson of course. She just said that. And tonight

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my comments are of my own. And now that we're

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going to be talking about this later in, um, the

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meeting, but I just want to address it because I

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don't want to talk about a specific item. So my

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thing is how many gas stations is enough. Oh my

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goodness. When does development become over concentration. I mean, just

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look at Sonny Meat Boulevard at 23021 Sonny Me Boulevard.

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We have a gas station. 23050 centimeter boulevard. We have

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a gas station plus a car wash at 23550 sending

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me boulevard. We have a car wash at 23960 sunny

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me boulevard. We have another car wash at 23991 sunny

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made boulevard a gas station 24055 sunny meat boulevard at

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car wash 24840 sunny meat boulevard gas station and a

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car wash two four nine. I think I said that

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one. I'm not going to double that one, but you

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get where I'm going. We have eight sites. And it's

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not even within a mouth. We have A sites one

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corridor. Moore is not always development. So my question is

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at one point at what point does the city stop

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approving more of the same and start asking what do

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our community actually need. We don't need more car washes.

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Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Tatiana Flores.

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Good evening planning commission and everyone listening here in person

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and online. Um, I wanted to take some time today

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to talk about a bill that's being proposed right now,

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um, for the state. It's AB 1804. And it's about

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keeping California state parks accessible to everyone. So I wanted

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to share that last week on Friday. I had the

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day off cause I was working Saturday at an event

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that I actually shared here last time. And I actually

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went to the library on all the soundre and was

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able to get a pass to go to state parks

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for free. And this bill is essentially trying to secure

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this, um, future for good to ensure that, you know,

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residents have the opportunity to go to state parks without

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having to pay. And it's a good program, you know.

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I always advocate for having these resources, um, I know

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the Latino community oftentimes doesn't actually enjoy the outdoors as

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much as they should due to like, like a resources.

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Also, you know, growing up in families that are always

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working. So I can speak for myself and say like,

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for example, I've never even been to Joshua tree, even

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though it's like right here, you know, um, not too

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far. So just wanted to bring that out there. Um,

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or bring this up and encourage people to use these

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resources that are available in the library, but also to

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encourage people to, you know, reach out to their representatives

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and tell them to support this bill. Um, urge, you

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know, governor, um, the governor to, you know, support this

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as well. Um, so yeah, everyone go to Lake Paris,

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you know, take a stroll and enjoy it. Yeah. Thank

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you. Thank you. Do we have any of our speakers?

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We have no more speaker cards, sir. Okay. All right.

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The next item on the agenda is approval of the

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consent calendar. Items listed under the consent calendar are consented

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to be routine and non - controversial. And may be

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enacted by a motion unless the memoir of the commission

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request that the item be removed for separate action. Items

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with drawn for report or discussion will be held before

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action on the consent calendar. Questions or comments from the

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public on the consent calendar. Matter must pretend. Say that.

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Must pertain to the subject matter under consideration. At this

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time with a commissioner like to pull an item from

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the consent calendar for separate vote. Okay. Take that as

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a bell. Uh, do we have any public calendar public

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comments for items on the consent calendar. We have no

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speaker cards. You have a motion second to approve the

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consent calendar. Okay. I'll move that we accept the, um,

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consent calendar submitted. All second.

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All right. The motion does carry. Next item on the

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agenda is a non public hearing items. And at this

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time, we don't have any. So let's move right into

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the public hearing items. The next item on the agenda

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is public hearing item number one. That is a plot

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plan PN 22 - 0250. That's in district one. Do

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we have a staff report. Thank you, Chair. Regine Kennedy,

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Principal Planner. I will be giving the staff report this

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evening. Miedia can we pull up the

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presentation. Thank you. The project before you this evening is

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a request for a consideration for a plot plan for

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a Penske truck rental and sales fuel station and maintenance

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facility. As a reminder, staff has reviewed the project for

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consistency with the development standards and provisions set forth in

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the city's municipal code. The project has objectively met the

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requirements set forth in the municipal code and has been

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duly noticed for a public hearing where it has been

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brought to you for your consideration today. The project site

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is relatively flat in topography and consist of eight contiguous

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parcels, totaling 9. 1 acres. The project site is bounded

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to the west by the city of Riverside and the

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old 215 frontage. And to the north by Alessandro Boulevard.

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Surrounding land uses include a warehouse facility to the west

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across old 215 furniture. Industrial uses to the south and

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east. A vehicle repair facility in an office to the

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north and commercial uses and illegal non - conforming residential

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uses across Alessandro Boulevard. The site is zoned business park

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BP, which allows by right the development and operation of

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eight truck sales leasing service and fueling facility subject to

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a plot plan. The business park district is intended to

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provide light industrial research and development office - based firms

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and limited supportive commercial retails in an attractive and pleasant

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working environment. The project consists of two buildings and a

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fueling island for Penske customers only. The project provides 50

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parking spaces, 157 trucks spaces and 32 trailer spaces. The

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project also provides 10 electric vehicle automobile parking spaces and

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20 electric vehicle EV truck parking spaces. Access to the

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project site will be from OneDrivery on Alessandra Boulevard and

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two driveways off of old 215 frontage road. The project

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has been designed to provide safe, efficient, and organized circulation

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for both vehicles. And pedestrians. The facility will operate Monday

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through Friday from 6 a. m. to midnight. Saturday from

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7 a. m. to 4 p. m. I'm sorry, Saturday

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from 7 a. m. to 4 p. m. and Sunday

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from 7 a. m. to noon. The proposed buildings feature

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contemporary design using a combination of materials and colors that

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are consistent with penskis, corporate branding. Building one located in

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the central part of the project site, will include office

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space, wash, and service bays, totaling approximately 19, 200 square

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feet of building area. Maintenance fueling and washing of Penske

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vehicles would not be available to the general public. Two

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located in the northern part of the project site near

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the entrance will include a rental and sales office approximately

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1792 square feet. The fuel island consists of two lane

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fuel island for gasoline. Diesel and diesel exhaust fluid, which

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will be located in the north central part of the

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project site. Fueling service will be limited to Penske customers

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only. The project includes comprehensive landscaping across the project site.

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And an end is intended to enhance the projects overall

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character while ensuring compliance with the city's municipal codes landscaping

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requirements. There will also be perimeter fencing and decorative block

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walls on all sides of the project site for added

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security and screening of trucks. An initial study was prepared

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by ultra systems, environmental ink and compliance with the California

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environmental quality, CEQA, and the SQL guidelines. The 30 day

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public comment period for the initial study mitigated negative declaration,

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also known as ISMND began on March 15, 2024 and

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concluded on April 15, 2024. Seven comment letters were received

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in response to the ISMND and mitigation measures were recommended

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for the project, which are summarized in the mitigation monitoring

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and reporting program, also known as MMRP. The MMRP includes

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mitigation for biological resources, cultural resources. Geology and soils, hazardous

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materials, and tribal cultural resources. The project also went through

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an ALUC review where a consistent determination was found. As

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a condition of approval, the project is required to prepare

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a final determination of biologically equivalent or superior preservation, also

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known as a DBESP prior to the issuance of a

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grading permit. The proposed project complies with section 9. 02.

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070 plot plan and all applicable development standards of the

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zoning code. The projects enhanced building site and landscaping design

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enhances the built environment consistent with the goals of the

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general plan's land use element. Would the recommended conditions of

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approval staff is recommending that the planning commission adopt resolution

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number 2026 - 28, adopting the ISMND and the MMRP,

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and also adopt resolution number 2026 - 29 approving the

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plot plan subject to the attached conditions of approval. This

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concludes staff's presentation. I'm available for any questions. The applicant

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team and their environmental consultant is also available for questions.

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Thank you. Thank you. How many trucks did you say

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we're going to be on site. So there will be

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157 trucks spaces. Are they all going to be diesel

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and fossil fuel. Gas. Is there, are there any other

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trucks. Zero emission. I would like to invite the applicant

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who can talk more about that. Well, before the applicant

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comes up, is there any more questions for staff for

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commissioners. Wait, Joanne looks like she might have another. And

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it's zoned for, what did you say the zoning was

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on there? Business part. It's business park, correct. And because

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when you were going through it. It said it was

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kind of be something that the public would be able

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to utilize and not just, I guess, not just for

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trucks per se. It would. So, so this facility would

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not be open to the general public. It's limited to

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the, um, customers that Penske is serving. Okay. But when

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you were reading the description of that classification, it kind

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of said that it was kind of something that maybe

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the general public or for residents. That's kind of what

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I got at the take of it. Our residents aren't

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going to be able to really utilize it that much?

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Is that what? I believe you might be referring to

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the statement, um, about the intent of the BP district.

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And there wasn't anything in my statement that referred to

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the general public. I did say that, um, the BP

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district would or is intended to provide limited, supportive commercial

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uses in an attractive and pleasant working environment. It did

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not refer to, um, specifically for the general public. Okay.

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Maybe I misunderstood. I'm sorry. Any other questions? No.

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Thank you. All right. With the, uh, applicant.

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Good evening chair. Good evening. Planning commissioners. My name is

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Mike Barnes. I'm the director of facilities for Penske Trekkleesey,

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Western region. I'm presenting to you our project that we

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wish to develop on the corner of two fifth old

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brute 215 and Alessandra Boulevard. We are very excited to

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work with the city on this project at even more

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excited to work with the community. So looking forward to

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the feedback you have and, uh, share the services and

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the specifics of the project as well. Roger Penske, obviously

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the owner of Penske Truckley seeing has many variable different

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businesses out there, some of which, uh, really adapt and

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focus on the local communities he establishes Ocean. And I

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want to hit on a couple of those. Obviously, uh,

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the middle one here, the professional sports is really a

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national international kind of business that he runs. Um, the

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top one is the corporation is really built on these

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three different core businesses. The first one is retail automotive.

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Penskey automotive is a bunch of car dealerships throughout the

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country. You know, from, from Northern America. And very successful

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company that, uh, really involves the community. The next one

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over Penske Motor Group is really focused on longer Toyota

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Lex longo Lexus. Those are out of Il Monte. And

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a lot of the business is created from the local

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communities in there as well. The last one is, you

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know, the transportation solutions. And that's where I'm going to

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kind of really focus my presentation tonight on. We offer

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four different services to our structure, our businesses at this

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location. We do truck rental. We do full service leasing.

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We do a contract maintenance. And we also sell use

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trucks. Truck rental is obviously what, what you see is,

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is what we offer. We offer moving trucks to local

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consumers, but more importantly, um, we offer that option to

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consumers that use our trucks, but also in the commercial

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businesses as well. We are open to the public for

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rental. Okay. So we would, our typical customer for renting

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a truck. Would be the parents taking their daughter, you

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know, out of state to college. Uh, typical customer for

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the, uh, for the commercial business is in a small

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entrepreneur, um, somebody who doesn't have the capital to buy

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trucks and utilize his own trucks. They use our trucks

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for a small business person building millwork cabinets maybe for

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a restaurant. Something to that aspect. Um, next one is

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full service leasing. This is, um, really an option for

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a benefit for a lot of businesses in the local

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community and are outside the community that really don't have

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their own trucks, but we offer them a lease program.

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Typically about a five to seven year program. We really

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do a full a la carte process with them. We

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will, we'll, uh, get them set up on a truck.

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Maybe more than one or two trucks. Um, they will

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add, uh, we'll add maintenance to that truck, uh, we'll

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add the, we'll help them with the tags, the licensing

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of those trucks. We really take a lot of the

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items that they, as an entrepreneur, as an owner of

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a truck, away from them, let them focus on their

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businesses. The business at hand. Contract maintenance is another one.

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Difference there is we might be servicing trucks that are

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not our trucks that were releasing, but their trucks that

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they own, they just don't have the capacity to service

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their own trucks. So they rely on companies like us

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to service their trucks in that, in that area. We

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still offer a lot of benefits 24 seven, uh, repair

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service. If they're broken down somewhere, we can get to

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them if they can't make it to our shop to

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repair those. Um, a lot of benefits there is in

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that contract maintenance, uh, program. First service leasing, when a

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full service leasing, that I mentioned that prior to this,

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um, when the term ends on a full service release,

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um, obviously the customer, we hope they lease more tractors

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or more trucks from us. When those trucks come back

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into our circulation, we might decide to wholesale those out

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or auction them off. Or we might just try to

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sell those ourselves on our lot. That's where you get

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the last used truck portion of this. Now, obviously when

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we sell trucks through our dealerships, our maintenance facilities, a

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tax revenue based out of that, that helps the city.

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Um, I wanted to kind of get into specifics on

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the servicing of, uh, the trucks at our shop. We

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service Penske trucks only. We are not open to the

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public. Rental is obviously open to the public. We consumer

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and the commercial customer, um, we set a contract up,

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like I mentioned, uh, in the previous slide with our

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customers. So you're not getting, you know, traffic coming off

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the street, uh, to park on a truck, uh, cause

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we, we, they have to sign up with us. We

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don't do heavy duty repairs in our shops. A lot

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of this is really all of this is based on

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preventative maintenance. A big driver of this is our customer's

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uptime. Uptime on a truck. The more, uh, you know,

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uptime weekend have our customers the better off they are.

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So we were very big on the preventative maintenance. We

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do a lot of engine tune - ups, clutch repairs,

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tire changes and washes. We're not doing a engine overhaul.

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We're not dropping a transmission. Those are not what we're

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doing on site. We're not a truck stop. Obviously we

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limited our, uh, our traffic coming in. Everything's designed on

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an appointment program. We might have a furniture delivery company

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that use at least as our trucks come in. He

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might not need that truck for two or three or

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four more days. We might have another truck that is,

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uh, delivering essential goods to a medical clinic of what

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they need that truck. That might take supersede, the time

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frame to get that truck service, while the other one

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maybe has a little bit more time. Typical turnaround on

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a, on a preventative maintenance truck is about a day.

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So our, our goal is to get the truck in,

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get them into the service base, service that truck. And

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again, uptime. Get that truck back to the owner or

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the leaser. Lycée and then get it back on the

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road so they can deliver the essential goods or the

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services to the local community. Um, another portion of this

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location will include, we mentioned it by regime and the

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staff is zero emissions trucks. Obviously with Title 24, we

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have a responsibility to put in level two chargers. We're

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also putting in DC fast charging for 20 stalls. We

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know this is coming. We believe in it. We support

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the EV program. Um, and it's a great thing to,

472
00:40:58,954 --> 00:41:00,874
you know, zero missions with a fleet. It's better than

473
00:41:00,874 --> 00:41:03,754
the environment. A lot of benefits to that. So this,

474
00:41:03,775 --> 00:41:09,114
this location will have the most modern infrastructure for DC

475
00:41:09,215 --> 00:41:14,183
fast charging. Excuse me. Again, this is not open to

476
00:41:14,183 --> 00:41:17,223
the public. It's just our customers. We sign up. We

477
00:41:17,263 --> 00:41:23,340
also fuel. We fuel trucks here. That's not open to

478
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:28,554
the public either. It's just to our customers. Um. We,

479
00:41:28,554 --> 00:41:32,874
our fuel programs are fuel systems. We rank above and

480
00:41:32,914 --> 00:41:38,634
beyond the average standards. We obviously know the fire codes,

481
00:41:38,634 --> 00:41:45,104
the CUPA requirements. We honor those. Um, again, it's very,

482
00:41:45,104 --> 00:41:48,864
uh, process is very, uh, easy to work with this

483
00:41:49,125 --> 00:41:52,464
as far as our customers. We have dedicated employees working

484
00:41:52,504 --> 00:41:55,504
on the fuel islands that they all they do is

485
00:41:55,685 --> 00:41:58,624
service that truck for fueling. We do not have the

486
00:41:58,645 --> 00:42:03,024
driver pull up and feel himself. This really helps with

487
00:42:03,045 --> 00:42:07,210
uptime. They're in and out. And really eliminates any possible

488
00:42:07,471 --> 00:42:11,050
spills and drips and whatnot on this lab because of

489
00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:14,170
the person who's doing that day in day in and

490
00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:19,712
day out. Again, it's not over to the public. The

491
00:42:19,893 --> 00:42:24,112
rental building I mentioned, um, consumer, not really a big

492
00:42:24,533 --> 00:42:30,172
portion of our business. It's really this smaller entrepreneur. The

493
00:42:30,172 --> 00:42:35,232
business person that again, can't afford, um, his own trucks.

494
00:42:35,232 --> 00:42:41,348
He's using our trucks for his, his business. I kind

495
00:42:41,348 --> 00:42:43,988
of mentioned earlier, the customers that we focus on really

496
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:50,130
with the, with the consumer rental. So. Um, I want

497
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:53,570
to get into the site and kind of, um, you

498
00:42:53,591 --> 00:42:56,130
saw some staff what the current condition of the property

499
00:42:56,151 --> 00:42:59,810
looks like today. This is really a site plan of

500
00:42:59,850 --> 00:43:04,130
what the layout's going to look. Um, staff mentioned building

501
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:07,970
one, building two. I'll kind of go into that further,

502
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:11,098
um, when we get into the renderings I brought. Um,

503
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,858
if you look at the very top, there's a bunch

504
00:43:12,898 --> 00:43:15,898
of stalls up there that are empty. That's all going

505
00:43:15,898 --> 00:43:20,458
to be our zero emissions tractors dedicated for EV tractors.

506
00:43:20,458 --> 00:43:24,386
Really medium duty and heavy duty trucks. We also service

507
00:43:24,807 --> 00:43:32,493
a smaller, small duty truck for EV as well. This

508
00:43:32,514 --> 00:43:35,333
is a rendering that we had put together based on

509
00:43:35,333 --> 00:43:38,573
our plans. Um, I kind of want to explain the

510
00:43:38,594 --> 00:43:42,893
process on the layout of the property, um, if you

511
00:43:42,893 --> 00:43:44,653
look at the far right, you're going to see more

512
00:43:44,674 --> 00:43:47,613
like a medium and heavy duty trucks. Those are the

513
00:43:47,613 --> 00:43:50,413
ones I mentioned earlier that might sit for two, maybe

514
00:43:50,413 --> 00:43:53,453
one day. Could be two, three, four, five days until

515
00:43:53,554 --> 00:43:56,206
they get to them. Because they are part there more

516
00:43:56,246 --> 00:44:00,846
than 24 hours. We are putting up a 14 foot

517
00:44:00,867 --> 00:44:05,201
screen wall. To, you know, basically the camouflage, those trucks,

518
00:44:05,201 --> 00:44:07,541
whether it be in part. Again, they're not sitting there

519
00:44:07,642 --> 00:44:10,421
long term, but we want to make sure that they're

520
00:44:10,442 --> 00:44:14,501
screened to the public for to honor the code and

521
00:44:14,501 --> 00:44:18,251
the planning requirements. If you look in the middle, you're

522
00:44:18,352 --> 00:44:20,571
going to see a couple of smaller trucks, parking lots

523
00:44:20,611 --> 00:44:23,131
with smaller trucks. Those are turning a lot faster. That

524
00:44:23,131 --> 00:44:25,131
might be a little bit of overflow for some rental

525
00:44:25,171 --> 00:44:27,371
fleet. Or those are trucks that would really be picked

526
00:44:27,371 --> 00:44:30,251
up for the customer, the consumer to pick up that

527
00:44:30,291 --> 00:44:34,428
day. Um, I kind of like showing this slide for

528
00:44:34,449 --> 00:44:36,588
a couple of reasons. You'll see the white truck coming

529
00:44:36,588 --> 00:44:41,311
into the entrance there. We always do a counterclockwise to

530
00:44:41,311 --> 00:44:45,551
our buildings to show that when the drivers come in,

531
00:44:45,572 --> 00:44:49,311
safety is a big, big priority with us. That driver,

532
00:44:49,311 --> 00:44:51,972
he or she can drive into that lot. No, what's

533
00:44:51,972 --> 00:44:53,732
in front of them, but also can track and see

534
00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:57,222
if anybody's coming into the building. If you're on the

535
00:44:57,262 --> 00:44:58,822
opposite side, it's a little bit tougher to see that.

536
00:45:00,805 --> 00:45:04,144
Um, sometimes we get asked, boy, it's really organized law.

537
00:45:04,144 --> 00:45:05,424
Does it always stay like that? Yeah, we try to

538
00:45:05,424 --> 00:45:07,744
do that. That's an emphasis we put in our company

539
00:45:07,784 --> 00:45:10,784
that's more efficient. We label all the stalls to where

540
00:45:10,824 --> 00:45:13,504
the truck goes. Um, we back in all of our

541
00:45:13,504 --> 00:45:16,304
trucks. There's a reason for that. Again, it's safety. It's

542
00:45:16,304 --> 00:45:18,224
organized, but we know when we're pulling a truck out

543
00:45:18,405 --> 00:45:21,704
backwards, a lot riskier to hit something or someone. We

544
00:45:21,704 --> 00:45:28,060
don't want that. To illustrate a little bit more about

545
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,820
the site plan, we've got really mature landscaping. Um, you

546
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:37,506
know, obviously per the local landscaping ordinances. Um, the building,

547
00:45:37,506 --> 00:45:39,666
we kind of went into the elements. The height of

548
00:45:39,666 --> 00:45:42,146
this building is about an eve height of 24 feet.

549
00:45:43,753 --> 00:45:47,012
Smaller building to the front for the rental and offices

550
00:45:47,913 --> 00:45:50,052
that eve heights is about 18 foot. So a little

551
00:45:50,052 --> 00:45:52,932
bit lower, uh, profile height on that, that building.

552
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,538
This slide, I brought, cause I really believe this is,

553
00:46:05,578 --> 00:46:10,498
this shows a huge impact. Um, when we bring the

554
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:14,738
heavy duty trucks into the property, those will enter and

555
00:46:14,759 --> 00:46:18,822
exit off of old root 215. We do not want

556
00:46:19,483 --> 00:46:22,502
trucks heavy duty trucks, medium duty trucks coming in off

557
00:46:22,683 --> 00:46:25,222
Alessandro. That is not the way we design this site.

558
00:46:25,989 --> 00:46:30,288
The entrance off alycero is really for the consumer and

559
00:46:30,288 --> 00:46:34,128
the commercial rental on the smaller light duty trucks being

560
00:46:34,149 --> 00:46:40,230
rented. Um, the, obviously another benefit here is the location

561
00:46:41,131 --> 00:46:45,430
in proximity to the 215 freeway. It's an easy access,

562
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:48,710
easy off the freeway to get to our property. You're

563
00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:52,150
not meandering through a residential section if you can't find

564
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:55,190
our property. It's right there. You can't, you can't miss

565
00:46:55,230 --> 00:47:02,450
it. Next profile is I think is really looking southwest

566
00:47:03,591 --> 00:47:06,450
of Alessandro. Um, again, you'll see the trucks in the

567
00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:09,330
background. The space in the back there with all the

568
00:47:09,591 --> 00:47:13,212
green trees as our employee parking. Um, and then you

569
00:47:13,252 --> 00:47:16,252
see the, the Penske building, we mentioned with staff mentioned

570
00:47:16,292 --> 00:47:21,932
in the beginning for rental and offices, um, that's really,

571
00:47:21,932 --> 00:47:25,323
again, catered to that business. Uh, rental light 2D trucks

572
00:47:25,363 --> 00:47:29,243
entering and exiting off of Alessandro. You'll also notice where

573
00:47:29,243 --> 00:47:31,563
the pickup truck is parked right in front of the

574
00:47:31,563 --> 00:47:34,123
smaller building. There's a gate there. That gets locked after

575
00:47:34,384 --> 00:47:38,763
hours when rental is closed. The benefit here also is

576
00:47:38,803 --> 00:47:42,843
if somebody can't see us or meet us after we're

577
00:47:42,843 --> 00:47:46,263
closed, they have the option of returning a rental, um,

578
00:47:46,304 --> 00:47:49,083
into that front lot where that box truck is sitting

579
00:47:49,584 --> 00:47:52,203
and they drop their keys off. And then we just

580
00:47:52,243 --> 00:47:54,603
close them out the next day we come in. That's

581
00:47:54,603 --> 00:47:57,003
a big benefit because some places if you drop a

582
00:47:57,043 --> 00:47:59,323
truck off, we don't want them parked in the streets.

583
00:47:59,323 --> 00:48:01,483
We want to make sure there's a space there for

584
00:48:01,584 --> 00:48:03,803
them to drop that truck off. That's not interfering with

585
00:48:03,803 --> 00:48:11,867
the traffic. Um, I mentioned earlier that obviously the access

586
00:48:12,048 --> 00:48:16,827
ingress for the bigger trucks off a road Route 215.

587
00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:19,067
And then the consumer and light duty rental will be

588
00:48:19,067 --> 00:48:23,067
off Alessandro. This property will be lit with LED lighting

589
00:48:23,728 --> 00:48:27,147
and building to eliminate the property and comply with all

590
00:48:27,328 --> 00:48:33,092
Title 24 energy codes. There is no truck idling at

591
00:48:33,092 --> 00:48:38,292
night. If staff or the, um, audience, please, we're going

592
00:48:38,292 --> 00:48:42,385
to hear him rumbling noises. All of our services are

593
00:48:42,385 --> 00:48:46,447
preventative maintenance or be done inside the truck shop. You

594
00:48:46,948 --> 00:48:50,927
mentioned, we mentioned earlier on this one, um, the big

595
00:48:50,967 --> 00:48:53,647
building. If you'll see on the, on the bigger building,

596
00:48:53,647 --> 00:48:56,447
you've got wings out there. Those are canopies. Those are

597
00:48:56,447 --> 00:49:00,047
really what we call drive up repairs tile root, tire

598
00:49:00,047 --> 00:49:04,687
replacements, windshield wiper replacements, light duty stuff that doesn't revolt

599
00:49:04,687 --> 00:49:07,967
any oils, any petroleum products. Something that can they can

600
00:49:07,967 --> 00:49:10,527
drive up. We switch it out. They're back on the

601
00:49:10,548 --> 00:49:20,387
road uptime. Landscape trees. Obviously those are part

602
00:49:20,568 --> 00:49:23,967
of those I planned along the perimeters. Those also, uh,

603
00:49:24,248 --> 00:49:27,560
act as a natural buffer. Which helps any kind of

604
00:49:27,621 --> 00:49:30,640
a noise reduction, but, uh, that's all part of the

605
00:49:30,901 --> 00:49:33,520
planning that's, you know, we would go through the planning

606
00:49:33,621 --> 00:49:37,120
department and make sure that's approved. Security, all this property

607
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,800
will be, uh, fenced in, gated, I mentioned earlier and

608
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,440
have a security system on site as of all of

609
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:49,125
our properties do. Um, environmental consciousness. We are committed to

610
00:49:49,146 --> 00:49:52,725
committed to proactively protecting the environment state of our fuel

611
00:49:52,725 --> 00:49:56,725
island equipment and monitoring systems. I go well above and

612
00:49:56,746 --> 00:50:02,165
beyond the federal regulations. I mentioned the fuel island, California,

613
00:50:02,165 --> 00:50:05,765
obviously we know, uh, the regulations here are much a

614
00:50:05,765 --> 00:50:08,965
little bit more strict. We are geared with that with

615
00:50:08,965 --> 00:50:12,245
our environmental team and the process that we have in

616
00:50:12,245 --> 00:50:16,405
place to eliminate any potential drips or spills.

617
00:50:22,369 --> 00:50:26,361
Unfortunately. The applicant staff to ought to be aware that

618
00:50:27,742 --> 00:50:31,321
there is some contamination to the northeast of this property.

619
00:50:32,431 --> 00:50:35,793
We didn't do it. It's been there for 60 to

620
00:50:35,814 --> 00:50:40,032
70 years by a prior. Building owner to the north

621
00:50:40,373 --> 00:50:43,876
to the east of us. Contains, I believe it was

622
00:50:44,057 --> 00:50:48,996
a dry cleaners building, had PCEs, I believe that's product

623
00:50:49,017 --> 00:50:52,196
is used for cleaning uniforms. For some reason, somehow it

624
00:50:52,196 --> 00:50:55,156
got into the soils and some of it migrated into

625
00:50:55,196 --> 00:50:59,165
the property we bought. We are doing the right thing.

626
00:50:59,165 --> 00:51:02,170
We're going to take care of this. On our property.

627
00:51:03,959 --> 00:51:09,940
We'll remove the PCE. The soils, the contaminative soils on

628
00:51:10,041 --> 00:51:15,188
site are mitigation. Measures include working with DTSE on this.

629
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:21,568
In addition, I mentioned earlier, the right away, the landscaping.

630
00:51:21,568 --> 00:51:23,568
We are adding trees along the right of way as

631
00:51:23,568 --> 00:51:31,432
well as some light poles. I want the, um, committee

632
00:51:31,613 --> 00:51:35,512
and staff and the honest to be aware that Penske

633
00:51:35,552 --> 00:51:40,392
believes in environmental resilience in the missions controlling and gas

634
00:51:40,432 --> 00:51:43,992
emissions on these buildings. We put a lot of capital

635
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:47,352
and thought in engineering into our buildings. We want them

636
00:51:47,352 --> 00:51:49,672
to last, but we want them also to be echo

637
00:51:49,712 --> 00:51:53,911
- friendly to the environment. Some of the things we

638
00:51:53,932 --> 00:51:57,271
are doing, obviously, in this building and throughout the country,

639
00:51:57,311 --> 00:52:00,151
we're doing light, LED or lighting retrofits and all of

640
00:52:00,151 --> 00:52:02,791
our buildings. Obviously this new building will have the latest

641
00:52:03,692 --> 00:52:06,975
LED lighting fixtures. But we are doing this all over

642
00:52:06,975 --> 00:52:10,895
the country just because, you know, the benefits of using

643
00:52:10,996 --> 00:52:14,575
a brighter light, but you know, something that's better for

644
00:52:14,575 --> 00:52:20,932
the environment. We are devoting about 1. 3 megawatts installed

645
00:52:21,273 --> 00:52:26,448
to date on solar. Currently seven sites in Southern California

646
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:31,008
are getting retrofitted with solar arrays on the rooftops. We

647
00:52:31,029 --> 00:52:34,288
believe in this technology, this is, this is what I

648
00:52:34,328 --> 00:52:40,448
believe we benefits the consumers, but also benefits the areas

649
00:52:40,709 --> 00:52:43,248
to show that, uh, you know, we're making more eco

650
00:52:43,248 --> 00:52:47,653
- friendly buildings. Unfortunately, this building cannot have solar. We

651
00:52:47,653 --> 00:52:50,333
would still put it on if we could. This interferes

652
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:53,613
with March Air Force Base and the trajectory of the

653
00:52:53,714 --> 00:52:57,293
landing and the takeoffs with high reflective glare that they

654
00:52:57,293 --> 00:53:06,659
might get. California is going to

655
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,178
battery operated forklifts. No more natural gas. We're also using

656
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:17,458
a lot more battery operated tools. The technology and battery

657
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,058
operated tools these days have come tremendously much farther than

658
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:23,484
they were in the past. We began, we believe that's

659
00:53:23,524 --> 00:53:27,200
better for the environment. HVAC equipment, another thing we're doing

660
00:53:28,661 --> 00:53:33,600
could be a higher nerve filter rating, um, VFDs in

661
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,920
the very frequency drives into the HVAC units, uh, obviously

662
00:53:38,181 --> 00:53:41,200
units today, these days run much more efficient than older

663
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:46,587
units. And then a highly efficient trek wash system, um,

664
00:53:47,188 --> 00:53:50,567
this, this location, obviously we'll have a truck wash. It

665
00:53:50,567 --> 00:53:55,407
will, um, probably produce about six to eight trucks washes

666
00:53:55,407 --> 00:54:00,047
per day. And we use a company called, whiting system

667
00:54:00,148 --> 00:54:04,269
that uses a super scout gantry system in this. The

668
00:54:04,290 --> 00:54:08,429
average is on this are about six gallons per a

669
00:54:08,429 --> 00:54:14,559
standard 26 foot truck. Basically this gantry system will, a

670
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,819
driver will bring this truck into the wash bay, the

671
00:54:17,819 --> 00:54:21,039
driver will get out, punch a code into our, our,

672
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,319
uh, key box there kind of registers the side of

673
00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:27,119
the length of the truck. This gantry will go back

674
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:31,468
and forth to clean that truck. Six gallons on a

675
00:54:31,468 --> 00:54:35,308
truck has come way far, farther than using pressure washers,

676
00:54:35,308 --> 00:54:42,584
which pretty much use double the amount of water. We

677
00:54:42,584 --> 00:54:44,944
believe doing anything right thing at first. I kind of

678
00:54:44,944 --> 00:54:47,384
mentioned some of the things with the contamination on the

679
00:54:47,424 --> 00:54:51,704
site with the, uh, environmental, uh, improvements we've, we've made

680
00:54:51,725 --> 00:54:55,864
to the, uh, the eco - friendly buildings we're wielding.

681
00:54:55,864 --> 00:54:59,224
We produce buildings. We conduct our business in a safe

682
00:54:59,325 --> 00:55:02,967
and ethical manner. Maintain a facility in a first class

683
00:55:03,007 --> 00:55:07,849
manner that's compliance with all laws. We sustainability, energy, efficiency

684
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:12,395
in reduction through lead design, including EV and solar. Every

685
00:55:12,435 --> 00:55:15,515
single building that we produce these days throughout the country,

686
00:55:15,515 --> 00:55:20,235
including Marina Valley will be a lead certified building. This

687
00:55:20,256 --> 00:55:24,715
is no different here. We believe in the efficiency, the,

688
00:55:24,736 --> 00:55:29,560
the, uh, engineering in this design. We just, it's a

689
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,981
great thing. And we're using that going forward. Um, Penske's

690
00:55:34,021 --> 00:55:37,821
capital annual CAPEX budget. We put a tremendous amount of

691
00:55:37,861 --> 00:55:41,141
effort and capital into making sure our buildings last. We

692
00:55:41,141 --> 00:55:44,061
want the buildings to be efficient. We want our employees

693
00:55:44,082 --> 00:55:47,421
to be safe. Our customers to be safe. Therefore, we

694
00:55:47,461 --> 00:55:50,681
put a lot of emphasis in the safety and the

695
00:55:50,681 --> 00:55:54,061
building as far as being lasting much longer than the

696
00:55:54,061 --> 00:55:59,695
average. An active participation in the community and assistance with

697
00:55:59,796 --> 00:56:03,811
relief efforts. We're very much involved in the community. Uh,

698
00:56:03,811 --> 00:56:07,456
we step up when there's a need. We've had departments

699
00:56:07,496 --> 00:56:10,176
that deal with this on a, on a program basis.

700
00:56:13,804 --> 00:56:18,526
This location. I'm sorry, this, with all of our locations

701
00:56:18,867 --> 00:56:21,886
in Southern California, we have 35 buildings similar to this

702
00:56:21,886 --> 00:56:27,674
one. Um, out of those 35 locations, we employ over

703
00:56:27,775 --> 00:56:31,434
1, 200 full - time employees in 90 - time

704
00:56:31,434 --> 00:56:35,534
employees. The early projections on this location are 50 or

705
00:56:35,555 --> 00:56:42,470
31, excuse me, 31 full - time employees projected. That,

706
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:45,668
I think, the staff mentioned the hours. Um, those employees

707
00:56:45,769 --> 00:56:50,575
will come from the surrounding areas. We mentioned a little

708
00:56:50,575 --> 00:56:52,895
bit earlier about the tax revenue when we sell a

709
00:56:52,895 --> 00:56:58,301
truck on the property. That's a benefit obviously to the

710
00:56:58,301 --> 00:57:02,498
city. Um, and we, we do a lot of local

711
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,178
supports in Southern California as well as the country. Some

712
00:57:06,178 --> 00:57:08,658
of those examples are the blood drive and awareness week

713
00:57:08,919 --> 00:57:13,412
we do in Southern Count. Hard health day. The holiday

714
00:57:13,673 --> 00:57:18,452
toy drives in currently where we've been involved many years,

715
00:57:18,452 --> 00:57:20,692
which is coming up the annual pink out, which we

716
00:57:20,793 --> 00:57:23,252
spent a lot of time with, uh, employees and devoting

717
00:57:23,273 --> 00:57:32,744
time and efforts into recognizing that program. That concludes my

718
00:57:32,925 --> 00:57:37,464
presentation. I, uh, willing to answer any questions from the

719
00:57:38,365 --> 00:57:43,750
council. If they had any. Well, thank you. Appreciate that.

720
00:57:44,011 --> 00:57:45,750
I just want to go back and, uh, I don't

721
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:49,670
think I mentioned that the public testimony is open at,

722
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:52,550
uh, 6 30 p. m. just want to make sure

723
00:57:52,651 --> 00:57:57,293
that that's, that's in there. Are there any commissioner questions

724
00:57:57,314 --> 00:58:00,842
for the applicant. Um, how many EV trucks do you

725
00:58:00,842 --> 00:58:02,762
have right now that are going to be at this

726
00:58:02,802 --> 00:58:06,268
site. Do you have any. We, we have them deployed

727
00:58:06,369 --> 00:58:11,868
at probably the closest locations, maybe in Fontana, in Ontario.

728
00:58:11,868 --> 00:58:15,148
Probably eight to 10 trucks right now in those locations.

729
00:58:17,278 --> 00:58:19,977
As far as the bigger trucks, the DC fast charging.

730
00:58:23,025 --> 00:58:24,964
Do we have an actual count on that? Yeah, I

731
00:58:24,964 --> 00:58:26,684
know that you're going to be putting it because it's

732
00:58:26,785 --> 00:58:29,084
more or less the wave of the future, but I

733
00:58:29,084 --> 00:58:31,564
was just wondering if you guys already had gone to

734
00:58:31,564 --> 00:58:34,364
that wave of the future. We have. We've got a

735
00:58:34,364 --> 00:58:37,804
devoted team that's really looking at, uh, the benefits of

736
00:58:37,804 --> 00:58:40,924
that. I wanted to also add in, if I do,

737
00:58:40,924 --> 00:58:43,564
if I may, we also serve as C and G.

738
00:58:44,442 --> 00:58:48,741
Hydrogen trucks as well. Those are alternative fuels as well.

739
00:58:48,741 --> 00:58:51,541
Obviously the zero missions trucks is the wave of the

740
00:58:51,541 --> 00:58:54,421
future. And we're already using those now as we speak.

741
00:58:55,277 --> 00:58:58,856
And I noticed on the sustainability, um, you did list

742
00:58:58,896 --> 00:59:00,696
solar. But on this site you said that you cannot

743
00:59:00,797 --> 00:59:03,896
put solar. So that's going to be out. So that.

744
00:59:03,896 --> 00:59:06,296
Yes. We will still be leads. We will be leads

745
00:59:06,336 --> 00:59:09,176
certified. If you put in a solar, you could, the

746
00:59:09,176 --> 00:59:11,096
chance you can get up to a silver rating or

747
00:59:11,096 --> 00:59:14,216
even a gold. But we will make still certified by

748
00:59:14,216 --> 00:59:18,376
the other, uh, items that we're putting into the building.

749
00:59:18,376 --> 00:59:19,976
Okay. And then I notice that you said about the

750
00:59:20,237 --> 00:59:22,936
washing of the trucks that you, you know, are minimizing

751
00:59:23,037 --> 00:59:25,896
the usage, but you're not recycling your water or anything.

752
00:59:25,896 --> 00:59:28,296
We do not recycle as if yet. Um, that technology

753
00:59:28,557 --> 00:59:30,936
is not offered to us yet, but yes, we are

754
00:59:30,936 --> 00:59:37,176
not recycling. Okay. And, uh, are you bringing any employees

755
00:59:37,197 --> 00:59:39,974
with you to this site at all. I did not

756
00:59:39,974 --> 00:59:42,374
know that answer. Um, I know you said you were

757
00:59:42,475 --> 00:59:46,374
going to employ 31, but I'm sure even employing them,

758
00:59:46,374 --> 00:59:48,054
you're not going to, you know, they might not be

759
00:59:48,094 --> 00:59:52,097
up to speed. With the way you guys handle everything.

760
00:59:52,097 --> 00:59:55,777
So I was far as training and whatnot or, yeah,

761
00:59:55,777 --> 00:59:59,377
no, we would have them mirror probably the closest location,

762
00:59:59,377 --> 01:00:01,617
uh, work from that location while this one is being

763
01:00:01,638 --> 01:00:04,657
built. We also, one thing I wanted to add is

764
01:00:05,318 --> 01:00:08,977
we really, um, I think we set ourselves above and

765
01:00:09,017 --> 01:00:13,857
beyond any competition out there for training employees. We send

766
01:00:13,897 --> 01:00:17,297
our technicians, although do we have great knowledge to Texas

767
01:00:17,398 --> 01:00:20,417
to train for two weeks on the Penskey ways of

768
01:00:20,457 --> 01:00:23,537
doing the servicing and the preventative maintenance. They will probably

769
01:00:23,537 --> 01:00:26,097
go to a similar program like that, but also shadow

770
01:00:26,097 --> 01:00:30,444
with local other branches throughout Southern California. And I understand

771
01:00:30,465 --> 01:00:36,204
that you, um, do Reynolds for the consumer, but they're

772
01:00:36,244 --> 01:00:39,644
usually smaller trucks you said or even leases. Uh, so

773
01:00:39,745 --> 01:00:42,264
basically the way I'm looking at this, and you can

774
01:00:42,305 --> 01:00:45,004
correct me if I'm wrong. It's more like a service

775
01:00:45,044 --> 01:00:48,844
station for Penske where you service your trucks, you put

776
01:00:49,025 --> 01:00:51,404
brakes, you do all that. Is that basically what it

777
01:00:51,404 --> 01:00:53,724
is? Well, again, we're not open to the public. We're

778
01:00:53,825 --> 01:00:57,244
just servicing our own trucks through our customers at our

779
01:00:57,244 --> 01:01:00,604
sign up with our programs. Right. So it's something that's

780
01:01:00,644 --> 01:01:04,524
going to be basically for Penske to do their business

781
01:01:05,345 --> 01:01:09,484
on that site and not really for the general public.

782
01:01:09,505 --> 01:01:16,567
Other than rental, right. Correct. Okay. Sounds like at a

783
01:01:16,567 --> 01:01:19,287
courtroom, I'm sorry. It'll make you feel that way. I'm

784
01:01:19,327 --> 01:01:22,967
just going line by line, um, because these are things

785
01:01:23,007 --> 01:01:25,047
that I would just, yeah, I just want to get,

786
01:01:25,087 --> 01:01:30,153
get this all out. And as far as tax revenue,

787
01:01:30,153 --> 01:01:32,553
we, we, the city would just get them from the

788
01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:37,117
trucks that you would sell. Is that it? That is

789
01:01:37,117 --> 01:01:40,357
it for any. I assume it's a tax revenue. We

790
01:01:40,357 --> 01:01:42,797
don't have projections yet. Yeah. We were a little far

791
01:01:42,797 --> 01:01:44,717
out, but yes. Okay. I just wanted to know about

792
01:01:44,738 --> 01:01:50,597
that. And then, um. Well, she's looking at that. Arthur

793
01:01:50,858 --> 01:01:55,802
taxes associated with rentals as well. You know, I don't

794
01:01:55,842 --> 01:02:04,088
know that. Let me see. Um, and tax and rental

795
01:02:04,088 --> 01:02:06,648
tax. Okay. Right. Are you going to have underground storage

796
01:02:06,749 --> 01:02:09,688
tanks and above ground storage tanks? This will have underground

797
01:02:09,728 --> 01:02:13,608
storage tanks. Underground. So you won't have above ground. Because

798
01:02:13,608 --> 01:02:15,768
I know at your other for some of your facilities

799
01:02:16,269 --> 01:02:19,916
you did have. Um, we do have some. We do

800
01:02:19,916 --> 01:02:23,431
have some, not many. Okay. And the hazardous waste. How

801
01:02:23,431 --> 01:02:28,613
do you dispose of that. Um, I can, if I

802
01:02:28,613 --> 01:02:31,333
can, I can bring up an associate that deals with

803
01:02:31,373 --> 01:02:38,547
that program, if that's okay. Okay. Well, um.

804
01:02:46,247 --> 01:02:49,026
Cause I believe there was an issue environmental issue about

805
01:02:49,047 --> 01:02:52,546
that in the past. There was a, I just happened

806
01:02:52,586 --> 01:02:55,506
to come across it. They sent us some paperwork. We

807
01:02:55,506 --> 01:02:57,966
can, we can address a comment. Yeah. Yeah. It was

808
01:02:57,966 --> 01:03:02,139
an environmental lawsuit that you guys just settled. That had

809
01:03:02,139 --> 01:03:05,464
to do with that. Um, I could tell you that,

810
01:03:05,464 --> 01:03:10,664
uh, we worked with the DA's office on that. Right.

811
01:03:10,685 --> 01:03:12,904
Yeah. And, um, so I was just concerned with that

812
01:03:13,325 --> 01:03:16,504
site because the last thing we want is to have,

813
01:03:16,504 --> 01:03:20,184
you know, anything, um, and I know you guys are

814
01:03:20,184 --> 01:03:22,264
going to have to rectify all this and come up

815
01:03:22,925 --> 01:03:27,864
to, you know, speed on everything. But, um, we just

816
01:03:27,864 --> 01:03:31,384
don't want any of the public in our area to

817
01:03:31,424 --> 01:03:34,664
have to go through anything, you know, that mirrors some

818
01:03:34,664 --> 01:03:38,064
of these horrible things that we've been seeing happen. We

819
01:03:38,064 --> 01:03:42,024
can clarify that further with our, um, council we have

820
01:03:42,024 --> 01:03:46,180
with us tonight. Okay. I just wanted to kind of

821
01:03:46,481 --> 01:03:48,620
just touch on that. I know it's a very touchy

822
01:03:48,660 --> 01:03:50,700
subject, but I think it needed to be brought out

823
01:03:50,881 --> 01:03:52,860
because that site is going to be there. And it

824
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:55,480
is in our town. So would you mind if, uh,

825
01:03:55,681 --> 01:03:58,540
council came up and addresses that now? Sure. Thank you.

826
01:04:02,352 --> 01:04:06,731
Good evening, commissioners. Sigurd Wagner, council for Penske. Absolutely happy

827
01:04:06,731 --> 01:04:10,571
to address that. Yes. Um, Penske just engaged with its

828
01:04:10,592 --> 01:04:14,971
regulators in a full and fulsome settlement that is before

829
01:04:15,011 --> 01:04:18,171
the court right now for ratification. And what that means

830
01:04:18,272 --> 01:04:22,411
is that Penske is now compliant with every environmental regulation

831
01:04:22,672 --> 01:04:25,931
at every site statewide. That was a very long and

832
01:04:26,032 --> 01:04:31,611
very collaborative process between the regulators and Penske. Um, what

833
01:04:32,272 --> 01:04:35,531
is good about it, um, people don't think about it,

834
01:04:35,531 --> 01:04:39,531
is the fact that now every single operation and every

835
01:04:39,531 --> 01:04:44,319
single operation going forward is up to stuff. 2026 standards

836
01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:46,959
and beyond, um, again, that was a lot of work

837
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,559
and a lot of collaboration, but Penske is devoted to

838
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:55,679
good responsibility and good operatorship. And that settlement is public.

839
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:58,159
Um, the terms are available to be reviewed. That's on

840
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:02,239
the court's docket. And you will see in the settlement,

841
01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:07,359
rec idles about all of that. So or for the

842
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:11,519
good of the hearing tonight, please keep in mind that

843
01:05:12,020 --> 01:05:15,519
now Penske is at the top of its game. Regulatorily.

844
01:05:17,177 --> 01:05:19,956
Okay. That was, that was basically my thing. I know

845
01:05:19,996 --> 01:05:23,716
that now going forward, I was just, you know, having

846
01:05:23,716 --> 01:05:26,356
to be good stewards of the community, you know, we

847
01:05:26,356 --> 01:05:28,996
have to watch out for our residents. Because we live

848
01:05:29,036 --> 01:05:32,209
here. And so basically that's, you know, I had to

849
01:05:32,209 --> 01:05:34,289
bring it out. I know that was the elephant in

850
01:05:34,289 --> 01:05:38,689
the room, but it needed to be addressed. Okay. That's

851
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:40,769
all my questions. I don't know if any of the

852
01:05:40,769 --> 01:05:44,647
other commissioners have any. You know, I have one. Um,

853
01:05:44,688 --> 01:05:48,267
you have a operation in Ontario and Fontanas or any

854
01:05:48,307 --> 01:05:52,827
other close by Riverside off of Hall in the 60

855
01:05:52,928 --> 01:05:56,427
would be probably the closest. Riversight, where's that in Riverside.

856
01:05:58,129 --> 01:06:00,868
All in the 60? I think it's just north of

857
01:06:01,169 --> 01:06:07,060
the 60. And where's your corporate headquarters in Texas or

858
01:06:07,241 --> 01:06:17,211
Reading Pennsylvania, sir? Do you have any plan on expanding.

859
01:06:19,714 --> 01:06:25,992
The operations for EV. As far as on, on the

860
01:06:26,032 --> 01:06:32,232
site? Yeah. Increasing the amount of, Oh, yeah, absolutely. 20

861
01:06:32,253 --> 01:06:34,392
stalls would probably be the biggest we've ever put in

862
01:06:34,653 --> 01:06:38,232
an end of your locations for the DC fast charging.

863
01:06:38,232 --> 01:06:42,542
And as well as a level twos, absolutely. Okay. Okay.

864
01:06:44,472 --> 01:06:48,051
So I guess my, my thought process on this being

865
01:06:48,152 --> 01:06:55,956
that it's pinsky. I guess my, did you equate it.

866
01:06:55,956 --> 01:06:58,969
This is like a just a really, really large. You

867
01:06:59,009 --> 01:07:03,841
all. You know, you got semi trucks. You got rentals.

868
01:07:03,841 --> 01:07:07,521
You got sales, but you haul doesn't sell their trucks.

869
01:07:07,521 --> 01:07:10,001
But you know, we're renting trucks. We're leasing trucks and

870
01:07:10,041 --> 01:07:15,301
selling trucks. Again, a big portion of, I want to

871
01:07:15,301 --> 01:07:17,501
say 90, over 90 percent of our business for the

872
01:07:17,602 --> 01:07:24,244
rental is the small commercial business owner. So then I

873
01:07:24,244 --> 01:07:26,164
think I heard that a lot of it has to

874
01:07:26,164 --> 01:07:29,124
do with the, uh, the longer use is five to

875
01:07:29,124 --> 01:07:32,041
seven year leasing, that sort of thing. Uh, for the

876
01:07:32,041 --> 01:07:40,562
service, yeah, the leasing. Okay. Nope. I don't have anything

877
01:07:40,663 --> 01:07:43,742
else. You guys have any other questions. I'm just, um,

878
01:07:44,343 --> 01:07:47,442
wondering, is it fair to say that basically this is

879
01:07:47,442 --> 01:07:51,814
more, um. I don't even know if I should, I

880
01:07:51,814 --> 01:07:58,572
have to choose my words very carefully. It's more a

881
01:07:58,572 --> 01:08:02,172
benefit really to Penske, this area than it is actually

882
01:08:02,753 --> 01:08:05,212
to the residents of myrtle valley. Is that fair to

883
01:08:05,212 --> 01:08:08,812
say or no? I don't, I disagree. Um, again, a

884
01:08:08,812 --> 01:08:11,452
lot of our, uh, rental fleet is geared towards a

885
01:08:11,452 --> 01:08:16,492
smaller business person he or she that can't afford their

886
01:08:16,532 --> 01:08:20,254
truck. So therefore they're using ours. Um, some of our,

887
01:08:20,275 --> 01:08:26,654
our big customers that are average customer fleet, uh, services,

888
01:08:26,654 --> 01:08:32,067
our trucks only utilize around six to seven trucks. That's

889
01:08:32,088 --> 01:08:35,747
a small portion. Those are used primarily in local areas.

890
01:08:37,843 --> 01:08:40,622
Okay. Cause it just seemed like, um, it's more like

891
01:08:41,843 --> 01:08:45,582
an operation that Penske, because everything that was on there

892
01:08:45,923 --> 01:08:48,702
wasn't open to the consumer wasn't open to the consumer.

893
01:08:48,702 --> 01:08:51,342
Wasn't open to the consumer except for just like you

894
01:08:51,342 --> 01:08:55,022
said the smaller trucks and the lease trucks. So for

895
01:08:55,062 --> 01:08:57,502
me, I just kind of took it that it was

896
01:08:57,502 --> 01:09:01,182
more something that, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with

897
01:09:01,222 --> 01:09:03,822
it. You're doing business and you, you know, you've got

898
01:09:03,923 --> 01:09:06,262
to service your trucks and maybe they're not going to

899
01:09:06,262 --> 01:09:08,942
be so much utilized from renow valley residents, but there

900
01:09:08,982 --> 01:09:14,142
are surrounding areas. That would utilize them. Riverside, um, Beaumont

901
01:09:14,243 --> 01:09:18,862
wherever. Because I don't know where, you know, like my

902
01:09:18,862 --> 01:09:23,022
colleague, Ray said, the, um, other places, but I guess

903
01:09:23,443 --> 01:09:28,527
there's, um. Room for, to have one more. There's room

904
01:09:28,548 --> 01:09:33,167
for one more. So basically I was just, yeah. You

905
01:09:33,167 --> 01:09:35,487
guys have done a demographics on this, I'm sure. Right.

906
01:09:35,668 --> 01:09:40,548
Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But that was my thing. Got

907
01:09:40,548 --> 01:09:43,008
it. Because sometimes we're up here and we are, you

908
01:09:43,008 --> 01:09:45,908
know, looking out for our residents and what benefits we

909
01:09:45,908 --> 01:09:48,708
can get for, you know, get the most bang for

910
01:09:48,708 --> 01:09:52,901
our buck for that. Property that is going to be

911
01:09:52,941 --> 01:10:02,421
used. Okay. Um, are there any plans for. Street improvements

912
01:10:02,922 --> 01:10:09,876
around the area. Around your, your right of ways and

913
01:10:09,916 --> 01:10:13,284
the outside. You know, I don't know if we had

914
01:10:13,305 --> 01:10:21,324
any major social do you call. I do want to

915
01:10:21,324 --> 01:10:26,004
add that the project is conditioned to, um, put in

916
01:10:26,044 --> 01:10:31,764
some street improvements. And I have our principal planner of

917
01:10:31,804 --> 01:10:39,615
land development to explain what those might be. Good evening,

918
01:10:39,615 --> 01:10:45,446
commissioners. Laurie Gonzalez, principal engineer with land development. The project

919
01:10:45,707 --> 01:10:51,686
is conditioned to install sidewalks along the frontage on old

920
01:10:51,787 --> 01:10:58,282
215. The existing street already has curben gutter. In addition

921
01:10:58,322 --> 01:11:04,922
to that, um, conditioned to install, um, the two driveways

922
01:11:05,903 --> 01:11:11,233
per the city standard plan for commercial driveways. Um, and

923
01:11:12,694 --> 01:11:17,993
they will be connecting to an existing storm drain, 24

924
01:11:18,054 --> 01:11:23,233
inch storm drain within old 215 for drainage from their

925
01:11:23,273 --> 01:11:32,028
property. There are existing, I believe five existing streetlights. Um,

926
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:37,785
along the frontage on old 215. And those existing streetlights

927
01:11:37,806 --> 01:11:42,825
will remain. One will be relocated in order to accommodate

928
01:11:43,086 --> 01:11:46,994
one of the driveways. Thank you. And I ask you,

929
01:11:46,994 --> 01:11:49,394
um, what is the, um, the road look like on

930
01:11:49,434 --> 01:11:51,874
that side of the old 215 because I know the

931
01:11:51,874 --> 01:11:54,994
other side has been repaved. It's been, it looks really

932
01:11:55,034 --> 01:12:00,004
nice. It used to be in bad shape. Right. Um,

933
01:12:00,505 --> 01:12:05,844
the condition of the roadway is a, it's a four

934
01:12:05,945 --> 01:12:09,524
lane, uh, minor arterial. So you have two lanes northbound,

935
01:12:09,524 --> 01:12:14,324
two lane southbound. And as I recall, um, I would

936
01:12:14,364 --> 01:12:16,484
have to double check, but I seem to recall that

937
01:12:16,665 --> 01:12:20,404
it's, um, in good condition. They are not, they were

938
01:12:20,404 --> 01:12:23,844
not conditioned to, um, do any additional street work beyond

939
01:12:24,505 --> 01:12:28,324
adding the sidewalk. Okay. Thank you. Okay. I have another

940
01:12:28,505 --> 01:12:32,644
question for you. I'm not done with you yet. Um,

941
01:12:33,785 --> 01:12:37,604
of poor guys, stop it. How many trucks do you.

942
01:12:39,078 --> 01:12:44,725
Even think might be going on from your site. Onto

943
01:12:44,746 --> 01:12:50,369
the roadways. On two old route 215. Oh, 215 to

944
01:12:50,369 --> 01:12:53,249
the onto the freeways. How many trucks do you surmise

945
01:12:53,289 --> 01:12:59,245
will be going on there. You know, it's, um, it's

946
01:12:59,245 --> 01:13:02,685
the ballpark. Yeah. I mean, again, it's all done by,

947
01:13:02,685 --> 01:13:08,977
um. To traffic analysis, but also the, um, accounts that

948
01:13:08,998 --> 01:13:11,457
we have when we make the appointments, right? You're not

949
01:13:11,497 --> 01:13:15,677
seeing, uh, tremendous amount of trucks on the lot, you

950
01:13:15,677 --> 01:13:17,537
know. So I would, you know, I would say maybe

951
01:13:18,038 --> 01:13:20,737
your 10, 10 to 12 or 10 to 15 per

952
01:13:20,838 --> 01:13:26,941
day coming in and out. Okay. Yeah. Cause I mean,

953
01:13:27,442 --> 01:13:29,821
it might not even come into the equation, but it's

954
01:13:29,821 --> 01:13:34,541
just that the truck traffic on the freeways on the

955
01:13:34,642 --> 01:13:40,800
roads, they're just getting worse. That was my question. I

956
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,880
mean, you know, I mean, it's not your fault. It's

957
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,880
not your fault. You know, it's just gotten that way

958
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,576
through the years. So I just want to know how

959
01:13:48,616 --> 01:13:52,042
many might be added. I could show an inch with

960
01:13:52,042 --> 01:13:55,242
Penske with the facilities team. I wanted to give you

961
01:13:55,242 --> 01:13:58,099
a little bit more. Maybe metrics or data to kind

962
01:13:58,099 --> 01:14:01,539
of answer some questions to support Mike. As you think

963
01:14:01,539 --> 01:14:06,339
about your question on trucks, what you're not seeing today

964
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:14,179
is all the business, um, commercial consumer and elaborate that

965
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,099
a more. That's transpiring business within the city today is

966
01:14:18,139 --> 01:14:21,369
driving those trucks within the city without our presence. So

967
01:14:21,870 --> 01:14:25,529
when we go back to the common R, what does

968
01:14:25,569 --> 01:14:31,800
this facility do for the city of Moreno Valley. And

969
01:14:31,901 --> 01:14:34,080
we're very cautious to say how much we spend. We

970
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,680
spend millions of dollars on these facilities. And that's not

971
01:14:36,781 --> 01:14:41,160
bragging. But we choose our destination or a domicile locations

972
01:14:41,261 --> 01:14:45,640
wisely. So based on geometrics of the customers, the customers,

973
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,520
what brings us here, not Penske. So we're not going

974
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,040
to stand up a multimillion dollar facility to just rent

975
01:14:52,621 --> 01:14:55,160
for, you know, moving your house or maybe some commercial

976
01:14:55,341 --> 01:14:58,520
rental. We're bringing the business here really for the full

977
01:14:58,541 --> 01:15:02,600
service lease, which is supporting the businesses, like I said.

978
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,360
It's a lot of small businesses. So as you think

979
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,060
about the world of trucks and the whole industry, not

980
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:14,840
us. of six trucks or less. Now we have Costco.

981
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,120
We have Trader Joe's. We have a lot of big

982
01:15:16,221 --> 01:15:18,840
entities. That's no lie, right? We are a big company.

983
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,160
We're a network just like others. But really the focus

984
01:15:21,741 --> 01:15:24,280
in this town and others that we travel around is

985
01:15:24,541 --> 01:15:27,960
we're basing our decision to come here based on they're

986
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,520
already the business of the trucks that are used. So

987
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,800
the trucks that are the businesses today that are in

988
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:38,200
your community are driving to riverside for that first full

989
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,740
service lease, the fueling, all the complementary services, which you

990
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:45,080
are not seeing the benefit for. But you are seeing

991
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,773
the increased traffic. And flow and everything else that goes

992
01:15:48,773 --> 01:15:50,933
with that. So the reason that we are here today

993
01:15:51,114 --> 01:15:54,333
is because when we look at a concentric ring, so

994
01:15:54,333 --> 01:15:56,693
we do drive times of where all the dots of

995
01:15:56,693 --> 01:16:01,653
the customers that we support, we find the zoning that

996
01:16:01,653 --> 01:16:05,293
complies. And we find the closest to the highway, right?

997
01:16:05,293 --> 01:16:06,893
So we talked about all this, but all of the

998
01:16:06,933 --> 01:16:09,373
strategic things we try to do to minimize our footprint

999
01:16:09,954 --> 01:16:12,450
on the community. Kind of brought us to this site

1000
01:16:12,551 --> 01:16:15,570
because we have the revenue to help with the cleanup.

1001
01:16:15,570 --> 01:16:18,370
This light has sit and vacant for many, many decades.

1002
01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:21,090
So we feel like it fits our needs. We can

1003
01:16:21,591 --> 01:16:25,643
support our customers that are already within the city. We

1004
01:16:25,664 --> 01:16:28,123
can concentric that ring. So now our traffic is a

1005
01:16:28,123 --> 01:16:31,083
lot less because we're not commuting that half hour up

1006
01:16:31,104 --> 01:16:33,563
and back. So when you ask how many trucks are

1007
01:16:33,563 --> 01:16:35,563
on the roads, all of them, they have to go

1008
01:16:35,664 --> 01:16:39,083
somewhere. But we are very strategic on keeping them out

1009
01:16:39,083 --> 01:16:41,763
of this, you know, out of the residential areas. A

1010
01:16:41,763 --> 01:16:44,443
lot of them are more, you know, the flower, when

1011
01:16:44,443 --> 01:16:46,923
you think about the small truck, so EVs, we made

1012
01:16:46,944 --> 01:16:50,683
a public statement many years ago. We bought 250 electric

1013
01:16:50,723 --> 01:16:53,803
vehicles. They're the 40 little bands, right? A lot of

1014
01:16:53,843 --> 01:16:56,203
those that we see around all in, they're all in

1015
01:16:56,203 --> 01:17:00,331
California for the most part. Uh, I would say 95

1016
01:17:00,371 --> 01:17:02,011
percent. I don't know the actual count, but out of

1017
01:17:02,051 --> 01:17:06,051
250, about 200 or so are in this state. We

1018
01:17:06,051 --> 01:17:11,451
see electricians flower companies, you know, food deliveries, Amazon has

1019
01:17:11,451 --> 01:17:13,651
taken a few, although they're converting to the roan. So

1020
01:17:13,651 --> 01:17:15,531
those are the people that are using it. But we

1021
01:17:15,531 --> 01:17:18,571
know they're concentric here. So that's what brings us here.

1022
01:17:18,571 --> 01:17:20,651
We're not coming here to try the build the business.

1023
01:17:20,651 --> 01:17:23,011
We're coming here to support the business. And that's why

1024
01:17:23,032 --> 01:17:26,291
we're not open to the public. The public facing side

1025
01:17:26,331 --> 01:17:29,171
is if you or anybody in this room says, Hey,

1026
01:17:29,171 --> 01:17:31,331
I want to move to another state or I need

1027
01:17:31,331 --> 01:17:34,451
to take my kid to college. You can come in,

1028
01:17:34,451 --> 01:17:35,891
you can get a truck for as long as you'd

1029
01:17:35,891 --> 01:17:37,731
like. You can drop it off at any state. That's

1030
01:17:37,731 --> 01:17:39,891
the beauty of us. It's a network. So it's not

1031
01:17:40,152 --> 01:17:43,171
concentric there. But the commercial side of that rental is

1032
01:17:43,192 --> 01:17:46,451
the FedEx and the UPS. And at one time Amazon.

1033
01:17:46,451 --> 01:17:48,371
So when the Christmas holiday comes, they do not have

1034
01:17:48,392 --> 01:17:50,771
the volume to keep up with all our shopping online

1035
01:17:50,792 --> 01:17:53,731
anymore. They can't. So they come to us and say,

1036
01:17:53,731 --> 01:17:56,211
give us some trucks temporarily. So a lot of our

1037
01:17:56,232 --> 01:17:59,251
trucks are delivering all these packages in these big flow,

1038
01:17:59,251 --> 01:18:02,511
you know, from black, uh, black Friday all the way

1039
01:18:02,511 --> 01:18:05,011
through the holidays. So that's the commercial rental. That could

1040
01:18:05,011 --> 01:18:08,851
be a week, a month, the holiday, uh, but the

1041
01:18:08,952 --> 01:18:11,011
full service lease is what really brings us here. That's

1042
01:18:11,032 --> 01:18:14,851
the five to seven year commitment. That's with a Kroger,

1043
01:18:14,851 --> 01:18:17,571
a Costco, uh, we have business here. We have a

1044
01:18:17,571 --> 01:18:20,051
lot of small businesses within the community. And we're just

1045
01:18:20,091 --> 01:18:22,291
providing that service. We give them the truck. We do

1046
01:18:22,291 --> 01:18:24,211
the license. We put the decal on. You don't even

1047
01:18:24,211 --> 01:18:27,331
know it's our truck. And we service wash and fuel

1048
01:18:27,352 --> 01:18:31,153
on site. We try to keep it contained. So it's

1049
01:18:31,153 --> 01:18:34,113
not negative to the public. It's we're supporting what's already

1050
01:18:34,153 --> 01:18:36,513
here. You just, it's not invisible, but you don't see

1051
01:18:36,553 --> 01:18:38,593
it. We're not driving around with pentacle in every truck.

1052
01:18:38,614 --> 01:18:41,736
Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense to me

1053
01:18:41,776 --> 01:18:44,056
now. Cause I was thinking you guys are just wanting

1054
01:18:44,096 --> 01:18:47,576
to do Penske and monopolize on everything. And it didn't

1055
01:18:47,616 --> 01:18:49,496
make sense to me that it would even be a

1056
01:18:49,536 --> 01:18:51,736
value to our area. If you guys are just going

1057
01:18:51,736 --> 01:18:55,016
to do, you know, a centralized location and just do

1058
01:18:55,016 --> 01:18:57,736
that. But now that you're saying that we might not

1059
01:18:57,837 --> 01:19:03,235
see it. It is a pencil truck. It's just kind

1060
01:19:03,235 --> 01:19:07,715
of incognita. The own showed value for us is because,

1061
01:19:07,715 --> 01:19:09,555
and I know the people in here that want to

1062
01:19:09,555 --> 01:19:11,715
have a conversation, that's, that's beautiful, right? That's what the

1063
01:19:11,715 --> 01:19:14,335
country's for. And we'll disagree and agree on a lot

1064
01:19:14,335 --> 01:19:16,595
of things. But what we do know is we come

1065
01:19:16,595 --> 01:19:18,915
here for the customers and a lot of customers follow

1066
01:19:18,955 --> 01:19:22,195
us. So if they're in Riverside and they're like, Hey,

1067
01:19:22,195 --> 01:19:24,195
we want to go to, we want to pensky as

1068
01:19:24,235 --> 01:19:27,875
a service because of some of the values we provide.

1069
01:19:27,875 --> 01:19:30,835
When we establish in Moreno Valley, they will come to

1070
01:19:30,875 --> 01:19:33,597
us because they know that's the value we get. We're

1071
01:19:33,637 --> 01:19:35,437
not the cheapest on the block. We are never a

1072
01:19:35,477 --> 01:19:37,997
U - Haul. And the differentiators U - Haul is

1073
01:19:37,997 --> 01:19:40,957
just a transaction for a rental, right? They don't do

1074
01:19:41,138 --> 01:19:44,377
their own maintenance. They do have their own vehicles. Uh,

1075
01:19:44,498 --> 01:19:46,877
and another misnomer that maybe I could clear up is

1076
01:19:47,058 --> 01:19:49,997
we don't build trucks. We don't, we don't, we're not

1077
01:19:49,997 --> 01:19:53,917
a truck manufacturer. So we're agnostic to anything out there.

1078
01:19:53,917 --> 01:19:56,157
We've got, we get a Tesla truck. We can get

1079
01:19:56,197 --> 01:19:59,037
a four truck, a Volvo truck, a Daimler truck. Anything

1080
01:19:59,037 --> 01:20:01,597
out in the market. And that's what we do for

1081
01:20:01,637 --> 01:20:03,597
our customer. Because if you came to us and said,

1082
01:20:03,597 --> 01:20:06,077
I didn't want to be zero admissions. We will say,

1083
01:20:06,077 --> 01:20:08,557
I do want electric. C and G. We can do

1084
01:20:08,738 --> 01:20:10,657
hydrogen as they come online. Right. There's a lot of

1085
01:20:10,658 --> 01:20:14,917
technologies coming. It's our job to be that advisor. We

1086
01:20:14,917 --> 01:20:17,677
have the, you know, the network to bring in whatever

1087
01:20:17,717 --> 01:20:20,477
you need as a customer. We spec the trucks. You're

1088
01:20:20,477 --> 01:20:22,157
going to say, I need a refrigerator truck because I

1089
01:20:22,157 --> 01:20:25,097
deliver, um, you know, ice cream. We have a lot

1090
01:20:25,097 --> 01:20:27,357
of those or breads. Food is a big industry for

1091
01:20:27,357 --> 01:20:30,037
us. Auto parts are a big industry for us. So

1092
01:20:30,037 --> 01:20:34,077
all these warehouses, they have to get fed from somebody.

1093
01:20:34,077 --> 01:20:36,157
And we're kind of the unsung hero because you don't

1094
01:20:36,258 --> 01:20:40,557
see us delivering a Penske truck. It's in their trucks.

1095
01:20:40,557 --> 01:20:42,717
Right. So as we're kind of branching out. So we

1096
01:20:42,757 --> 01:20:44,397
want to be very strategic. We don't want to leave

1097
01:20:44,418 --> 01:20:46,997
a big footprint within a community, but we want to

1098
01:20:46,997 --> 01:20:49,917
be able to transport the goods, get in and off

1099
01:20:49,957 --> 01:20:52,557
the site and do it cleanly and respectfully. And that's

1100
01:20:52,597 --> 01:20:54,717
really what we're trying to do. Okay. Can I ask

1101
01:20:54,717 --> 01:20:56,797
you, do you have contracts with some of the bigger

1102
01:20:57,698 --> 01:21:01,757
businesses in our city? Absolutely. Okay. Well, I just wanted

1103
01:21:01,778 --> 01:21:04,477
to clarify. Okay. No, it's okay. And if you, if

1104
01:21:04,517 --> 01:21:06,077
we want to get into the names, I'll have to

1105
01:21:06,077 --> 01:21:08,557
bring up the operators because I'm, uh, I'm the construction

1106
01:21:08,818 --> 01:21:11,357
guy. I can tell you all of that. Okay. I

1107
01:21:11,357 --> 01:21:13,197
know you had a question way on in the presentation

1108
01:21:13,237 --> 01:21:15,677
about why so many truck stalls. And that's a very

1109
01:21:15,778 --> 01:21:18,637
common question we hear all around the country. And I

1110
01:21:18,637 --> 01:21:22,157
can give you two simple answers. We follow the zoning

1111
01:21:22,197 --> 01:21:24,877
code. So if the planners say, Hey, 70 percent of

1112
01:21:24,877 --> 01:21:27,917
the site, you can have impervious We try to maximize

1113
01:21:28,178 --> 01:21:29,997
this time. We do that for two reasons. We want

1114
01:21:29,997 --> 01:21:32,557
to make one impact and one impact only. We don't

1115
01:21:32,597 --> 01:21:34,797
have to come back and grade and disturb and make

1116
01:21:34,837 --> 01:21:37,357
all kind of disruptions for us or you or the

1117
01:21:37,357 --> 01:21:41,237
environment. But we also, as you think about yourself, so

1118
01:21:41,237 --> 01:21:44,597
when you drop your car off to get serviced, if

1119
01:21:44,597 --> 01:21:47,117
the parking stalls around the garage, what do you do?

1120
01:21:47,157 --> 01:21:49,117
You drive around and you're like, Oh my God, what

1121
01:21:49,117 --> 01:21:50,797
do these people doing? There's no parking area. What do

1122
01:21:50,797 --> 01:21:53,917
I drop my car off? We're very much molded in

1123
01:21:53,957 --> 01:21:57,197
a commercial atmosphere. So even though we have about 160

1124
01:21:57,298 --> 01:22:01,597
stalls, we have a rotation. So we have stalls that

1125
01:22:01,618 --> 01:22:04,877
might not have parking so that when a customer drops

1126
01:22:04,917 --> 01:22:06,477
their truck, they can put it in a stall and

1127
01:22:06,477 --> 01:22:09,437
be organized, safe and organized. The next person that comes

1128
01:22:09,477 --> 01:22:11,437
in, they're going to take a truck from another stall.

1129
01:22:11,437 --> 01:22:14,137
So it's, it's kind of a rotational parking lot. But

1130
01:22:14,137 --> 01:22:16,157
we can't do that if we just designed for exactly

1131
01:22:16,178 --> 01:22:18,717
what's in the shop, if that makes any sense. Yeah.

1132
01:22:18,757 --> 01:22:20,717
That makes sense. And you are going to make it

1133
01:22:20,717 --> 01:22:23,597
aesthetically pleasing, right? I mean, I kind of wish you

1134
01:22:23,637 --> 01:22:25,917
guys would go a little above and beyond because I

1135
01:22:25,917 --> 01:22:29,997
know sometimes the city hasn't really, you get a certain

1136
01:22:30,338 --> 01:22:32,797
size tree that you have to put in, but it

1137
01:22:32,797 --> 01:22:36,397
takes forever for it to grow. And the last thing

1138
01:22:36,397 --> 01:22:39,357
I would like to see is, uh, it looked like

1139
01:22:39,397 --> 01:22:46,234
a commercial. Area rather than a business park. So we

1140
01:22:46,234 --> 01:22:48,576
were open to any suggestions you have. What is the

1141
01:22:48,616 --> 01:22:51,516
size of box trees we have to put? You know,

1142
01:22:51,516 --> 01:22:55,936
we, our code is, does anybody know if we're answering.

1143
01:23:00,514 --> 01:23:05,290
How tall are they. So we have in our project

1144
01:23:05,631 --> 01:23:12,170
plans, the preliminary landscaping plans, um, and let's see here

1145
01:23:12,671 --> 01:23:17,610
what they have as far as. So it's a minimum

1146
01:23:17,711 --> 01:23:20,890
of a 24 inch box. And you go a little

1147
01:23:20,911 --> 01:23:22,890
bigger than that. We can and we'll work with the

1148
01:23:22,930 --> 01:23:25,530
planners. Okay. Can we put that as a condition of

1149
01:23:26,191 --> 01:23:29,530
approval if it were to be approved? Because I would

1150
01:23:29,530 --> 01:23:34,892
like to see a little more mature. No, I don't

1151
01:23:34,932 --> 01:23:38,372
think they don't. They won't. Well, I mean, nurseries. I

1152
01:23:38,372 --> 01:23:40,572
mean, that's where you got to go to the nursery.

1153
01:23:40,572 --> 01:23:43,409
You get a bigger tree. I'm just saying because I

1154
01:23:43,449 --> 01:23:45,249
know that there was some buildings that we had around

1155
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:49,409
town and it's taken forever for them to cover up

1156
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:52,249
what's actually there. I know your buildings aren't going to

1157
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:57,169
be, you know, super tall. But I know the area.

1158
01:23:57,190 --> 01:23:59,889
I've been here 40 years. Yeah. Most Sonico we see

1159
01:24:00,310 --> 01:24:02,289
inch and a half caliber is a very small treat.

1160
01:24:02,289 --> 01:24:04,129
It takes 10 to 15 years to get anything like

1161
01:24:04,150 --> 01:24:06,849
you see in the landscape plan. Right. Uh, we typically

1162
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:09,249
like to go a little more dense because we, we

1163
01:24:09,289 --> 01:24:11,729
do want maturity and we also have a lot of

1164
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:14,609
screening requirements. I think some might be here. Uh, but

1165
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:17,569
we are not opposed to changing that at all. Right.

1166
01:24:17,569 --> 01:24:20,289
We start with something and then we work with everybody.

1167
01:24:20,289 --> 01:24:22,209
Right. Because that area, I know you, you've probably been

1168
01:24:22,209 --> 01:24:25,489
to the site. And it just would look nice. Cause

1169
01:24:25,489 --> 01:24:29,299
that is an entrance to our city. And so if

1170
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,419
you want, you know, for us to at least start

1171
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,779
somewhere to look nice coming in, I would like it

1172
01:24:35,819 --> 01:24:39,059
to look nice because that area has been a very,

1173
01:24:39,059 --> 01:24:43,779
um, almost, I just want to say, uh, it hasn't

1174
01:24:43,819 --> 01:24:47,539
been built up very well. It was the, the stepchild.

1175
01:24:48,132 --> 01:24:51,948
Of the city. I know we have fence. We have

1176
01:24:51,948 --> 01:24:55,868
some screener walls which are not unusual for us. Trucks

1177
01:24:55,868 --> 01:24:58,668
are not always the most kosher world. Is that I

1178
01:24:58,668 --> 01:24:59,828
wouldn't want to see the trucks. I just want to

1179
01:24:59,828 --> 01:25:04,108
see something that looks good landscaped. You know, the greenery

1180
01:25:04,129 --> 01:25:06,508
and things like that. It makes a place just look

1181
01:25:06,548 --> 01:25:13,548
cleaner, nicer. Understood so bad. Um, I had another question,

1182
01:25:13,548 --> 01:25:16,508
but I'll let the speaker speak and then maybe I'll

1183
01:25:16,548 --> 01:25:22,108
bring you back up to the firing range. Yeah. Maybe

1184
01:25:22,129 --> 01:25:26,268
two more things to kind of maybe help from discussion.

1185
01:25:26,268 --> 01:25:28,088
Cause I know you're going to hear a lot. And

1186
01:25:28,088 --> 01:25:30,668
I know, uh, trucks aren't the easiest thing to think

1187
01:25:30,668 --> 01:25:32,988
about, but we aren't a cross doc. We're not the

1188
01:25:32,988 --> 01:25:36,108
warehouse across the street. Our traffic footprint is very minor

1189
01:25:36,289 --> 01:25:38,568
as much as you want to not believe that. Uh,

1190
01:25:38,849 --> 01:25:40,828
most of our traffic generated by our employees. So if

1191
01:25:40,868 --> 01:25:44,028
we have 31 employees, we have 15 coming in and

1192
01:25:44,028 --> 01:25:45,788
we have an overlap of 15 coming out. So at

1193
01:25:45,788 --> 01:25:47,228
any given time, we want to have all 30 at

1194
01:25:47,228 --> 01:25:51,308
one time, but the rotation, right? As people do shifts.

1195
01:25:51,308 --> 01:25:53,228
We know there's a vernal pool on there, right? So

1196
01:25:53,268 --> 01:25:55,468
we're very sensitive to that. It's not unusual for us

1197
01:25:55,468 --> 01:25:58,348
to transport prairie dogs and turtles and spotted out. We

1198
01:25:58,388 --> 01:26:01,448
do this all the time. Very sensitive to that. But

1199
01:26:01,448 --> 01:26:03,948
I would recommend that when we, or one thing to

1200
01:26:03,988 --> 01:26:06,348
know is when we went through with March Air Force

1201
01:26:06,449 --> 01:26:08,588
base, it was made clear to us and with the

1202
01:26:08,588 --> 01:26:10,588
planners that we could not have an open water source

1203
01:26:10,628 --> 01:26:13,228
on that property. And the reason is they don't want

1204
01:26:13,268 --> 01:26:16,028
waterfowl conjugating there because of the end of the runway

1205
01:26:16,209 --> 01:26:18,668
and getting into the engines. So that's one thing we

1206
01:26:18,689 --> 01:26:21,148
had to do. We had to put that detention underground.

1207
01:26:21,148 --> 01:26:23,468
I think it might be a bio swale. I'm a

1208
01:26:23,468 --> 01:26:26,268
little out of touch. Mike probably knows. But we have

1209
01:26:26,268 --> 01:26:29,148
to relocate that anyway, right? Because of the water getting

1210
01:26:29,249 --> 01:26:31,228
larger that was brought up to us. Can you fix

1211
01:26:31,268 --> 01:26:34,108
that? Absolutely. We have to mitigate. So we will do

1212
01:26:34,108 --> 01:26:37,742
that. A lot of things are just maybe unwritten, but

1213
01:26:37,742 --> 01:26:40,002
we know why and where we're doing them. And we're

1214
01:26:40,042 --> 01:26:43,282
welcome the questions to kind of explain that to you.

1215
01:26:43,282 --> 01:26:45,602
And I, and honestly, I would hope that you would

1216
01:26:45,703 --> 01:26:52,562
employ Marino Valley residents if they're qualified because, um, everywhere.

1217
01:26:52,562 --> 01:26:54,642
Everybody needs a job. And if we can get some

1218
01:26:54,642 --> 01:26:59,602
people jobs, then that's what we would really like. I

1219
01:26:59,602 --> 01:27:03,362
think your question earlier about, are you hiring within? Do

1220
01:27:03,362 --> 01:27:06,002
you bring people without just like any business, we would

1221
01:27:06,002 --> 01:27:07,962
have a management team come in, right? We have to

1222
01:27:07,962 --> 01:27:11,042
have consistency in training. We do have texts that live

1223
01:27:11,042 --> 01:27:13,522
down here that go to riverside. So we are very

1224
01:27:13,623 --> 01:27:17,122
conscious of trying to get somebody more quality of life.

1225
01:27:17,122 --> 01:27:19,042
So there will be some texts that come down here.

1226
01:27:19,042 --> 01:27:21,602
And that keeps our base strong and consistent. But we

1227
01:27:21,602 --> 01:27:24,002
do also go out to the tech schools as Mike

1228
01:27:24,042 --> 01:27:26,242
said. And we go out to the colleges for management

1229
01:27:26,263 --> 01:27:28,722
trainees. And what are those? We put college kids on

1230
01:27:28,722 --> 01:27:30,402
the counter and we train the business and they go

1231
01:27:30,402 --> 01:27:32,322
up through and we give them opportunity to become a

1232
01:27:32,362 --> 01:27:35,122
salesperson or a VP or whatever they want to be.

1233
01:27:35,122 --> 01:27:38,422
So we do have a lot of opportunity. A lot

1234
01:27:38,422 --> 01:27:41,762
of opportunity to bring, uh, talent in. It's a, it's

1235
01:27:41,762 --> 01:27:44,722
a, um, just like any trade out there. It's really

1236
01:27:44,722 --> 01:27:48,242
hard to get talent. So we welcome anybody that's willing

1237
01:27:48,242 --> 01:27:52,002
to come. Okay. Yeah. Cause we've, we've kind of battled

1238
01:27:52,002 --> 01:27:55,682
with Riverside for a long time. We're competition, but I

1239
01:27:55,722 --> 01:27:59,182
just would like our kids to get some training. And

1240
01:27:59,182 --> 01:28:01,202
it would be a good future for them because a

1241
01:28:01,223 --> 01:28:03,819
mechanic, they pay good money. You know, a lot of

1242
01:28:03,819 --> 01:28:06,219
kids aren't geared sometimes to go to the four year

1243
01:28:06,219 --> 01:28:10,599
college. But a trade school or something like that, you

1244
01:28:10,599 --> 01:28:14,206
know, they make good money. Okay. One more comment. What

1245
01:28:14,206 --> 01:28:16,446
do we have two buildings? This is very unique for

1246
01:28:16,446 --> 01:28:20,686
us because it really splits our management and how we

1247
01:28:21,187 --> 01:28:24,286
handle transactions and that. And the reason is March Air

1248
01:28:24,307 --> 01:28:27,166
Force base. There's a far ratio. We can only have

1249
01:28:27,187 --> 01:28:29,246
so many people in a building at the end of

1250
01:28:29,246 --> 01:28:32,606
that runway. It very much limits what can be built

1251
01:28:32,646 --> 01:28:36,446
there because you can't have a high density population within

1252
01:28:36,486 --> 01:28:38,446
a building on that lot at the end of the

1253
01:28:38,467 --> 01:28:41,466
runway. So we worked with them. And I think the

1254
01:28:41,507 --> 01:28:44,506
planners and everybody else, it's been years now, right? Uh,

1255
01:28:44,506 --> 01:28:48,366
so we split our, our workforce, office and technician so

1256
01:28:48,366 --> 01:28:51,886
that we could come within March Air Force bases requirements.

1257
01:28:51,886 --> 01:28:54,926
And I say that because it's very challenging aside from

1258
01:28:54,926 --> 01:28:57,006
the contamination cleanup and the amount of money we need

1259
01:28:57,187 --> 01:28:59,706
to spend to get this operational. It's very hard for

1260
01:28:59,706 --> 01:29:03,886
anybody else also to try to meet those, um, uh,

1261
01:29:04,147 --> 01:29:07,646
floor area ratios for March Air Force. Let's say nobody

1262
01:29:07,646 --> 01:29:10,026
can and we struggle to meet it. So we had

1263
01:29:10,026 --> 01:29:12,126
to get creative. And that's why we have two facilities.

1264
01:29:12,126 --> 01:29:15,726
So you won't see that everywhere. Um, but we're willing

1265
01:29:15,827 --> 01:29:19,146
to work to make everything, uh, be compliant and, you

1266
01:29:19,146 --> 01:29:20,366
know, kind of work within the letter of the law.

1267
01:29:21,763 --> 01:29:24,062
Okay. I'm glad you answered a lot of questions because

1268
01:29:24,062 --> 01:29:26,622
I'll be honest with you, um, I came in with

1269
01:29:26,662 --> 01:29:30,302
that elephant in my hand. And I, it had a

1270
01:29:30,302 --> 01:29:33,262
bad taste, actually. I didn't really care for what I

1271
01:29:33,262 --> 01:29:37,422
was reading. I think our legal counsel addressed some of

1272
01:29:37,422 --> 01:29:39,662
the elements in the room. Yeah. I would say take

1273
01:29:39,662 --> 01:29:41,962
the time you have a past like that. You know,

1274
01:29:41,962 --> 01:29:44,062
I know they're going to make you come to compliance

1275
01:29:44,102 --> 01:29:47,502
and do everything. And I'm sure that our facility is

1276
01:29:47,502 --> 01:29:54,542
going to be up to par. But it's just kind

1277
01:29:54,542 --> 01:29:56,062
of like I was looking at that. I was saying,

1278
01:29:56,062 --> 01:29:58,862
Oh my goodness. So just so you know where I'm

1279
01:29:58,862 --> 01:30:01,662
coming from. I know I really don't ask that many

1280
01:30:01,843 --> 01:30:06,591
questions do I guys. I'll stay very topside on this,

1281
01:30:06,591 --> 01:30:08,831
but I'll give you one last parting comment and then

1282
01:30:08,831 --> 01:30:11,938
we can open it up. Your state is one of

1283
01:30:11,938 --> 01:30:15,938
the most stringent and challenging to work for, uh, as

1284
01:30:15,938 --> 01:30:18,738
far as regulations. But a regulation doesn't mean you're doing

1285
01:30:18,759 --> 01:30:22,098
something wrong. It could be a procedural issue or it

1286
01:30:22,098 --> 01:30:24,338
could be a documentation issue. It doesn't mean you have

1287
01:30:24,338 --> 01:30:27,058
made a spill. It doesn't mean anything leaked. It could

1288
01:30:27,098 --> 01:30:30,818
be strictly paper oriented. So I'd encourage anybody to read

1289
01:30:30,858 --> 01:30:33,858
deeper into why and where everybody is coming around with

1290
01:30:33,879 --> 01:30:36,498
the information. And I think you might find that we're

1291
01:30:36,498 --> 01:30:40,418
not really the enemy of the community that many people

1292
01:30:40,519 --> 01:30:49,204
think. Thank you. Any other additional questions for the applicant.

1293
01:30:50,771 --> 01:30:53,150
Okay. Well, let me, let me say this. Uh, how

1294
01:30:53,190 --> 01:30:56,216
many speakers do we have right now. We presently have

1295
01:30:56,256 --> 01:31:00,422
five speaker cards, sir. Thinking we may need, we've been

1296
01:31:00,422 --> 01:31:02,982
up here an hour and a half. Now let's, yeah,

1297
01:31:03,083 --> 01:31:06,437
take a 10 minute break. Yeah. Let's take a 10

1298
01:31:06,437 --> 01:31:08,837
minute recess and then we're a week of being at

1299
01:31:09,818 --> 01:31:10,437
735.

1300
01:42:20,733 --> 01:42:24,872
All right, like to bring this planning commission back to

1301
01:42:25,453 --> 01:42:29,032
order at exactly 738 p. m. And it looks like

1302
01:42:29,613 --> 01:42:34,749
we're now going to move into the public testimony. The

1303
01:42:34,749 --> 01:42:37,229
clerk will call upon each person who has requested to

1304
01:42:37,229 --> 01:42:39,949
speak and remember that you have a maximum of three

1305
01:42:39,970 --> 01:42:45,661
minutes to speak. Do we have any speakers? Yes, Chair.

1306
01:42:45,661 --> 01:42:49,195
We presently have seven speakers. Our first speaker is Ishmael

1307
01:42:49,235 --> 01:42:52,955
Gonzalez, followed by Marco Hernandez, then followed by Tassiana Flores.

1308
01:42:59,225 --> 01:43:02,324
I want to begin by saying thank you to the

1309
01:43:02,505 --> 01:43:05,284
applicant for that long - winded explanation of his project

1310
01:43:06,025 --> 01:43:09,204
or their project. Thank you to Stacey Dunning for printing

1311
01:43:09,244 --> 01:43:13,444
out my seven page letter for Citistaff and the commissioners

1312
01:43:13,484 --> 01:43:16,804
to review. I think it's very thorough as to why

1313
01:43:17,465 --> 01:43:22,164
you should oppose this item. I want to direct you

1314
01:43:22,185 --> 01:43:27,284
to page for online. I know this is maybe unreliable

1315
01:43:27,465 --> 01:43:31,764
information, but I did pull people directed to Marina Valley

1316
01:43:32,185 --> 01:43:36,084
over this issue. I've received 75 responses with a majority

1317
01:43:36,105 --> 01:43:39,604
of them. 67 percent to be a cube exact saying

1318
01:43:39,785 --> 01:43:43,524
no that they would not prefer any more gas stations

1319
01:43:43,865 --> 01:43:47,764
or car washers. I think this can be considered a

1320
01:43:47,764 --> 01:43:50,564
gas station, but for trucks, right? And you heard from

1321
01:43:50,825 --> 01:43:54,724
commissioner Wilson that within a mile on Sonny Me Boulevard,

1322
01:43:54,724 --> 01:43:58,404
there are countless car washes, gas basins. We are plagued

1323
01:43:58,745 --> 01:44:02,244
as residents with how many of those businesses are here

1324
01:44:02,345 --> 01:44:07,623
in our city. I also want to, you know, just

1325
01:44:07,623 --> 01:44:10,423
remind you the first couple of questions I ask you

1326
01:44:10,524 --> 01:44:13,623
in this letter. Who are these applicants? What are the

1327
01:44:13,623 --> 01:44:18,023
relationship with Marina Valley? Are they interested in benefiting our

1328
01:44:18,044 --> 01:44:23,223
community? I will give you an observation here. There are

1329
01:44:23,324 --> 01:44:29,463
a lot of rich white people behind me who are,

1330
01:44:29,463 --> 01:44:32,423
I bring race. Why? I heard a lot of gasp,

1331
01:44:32,423 --> 01:44:35,623
right? Why? Because Marina Valley, according to the 2040 general

1332
01:44:35,623 --> 01:44:41,543
plan is overwhelmingly Latino Hispanic, almost 60 percent. So why

1333
01:44:41,564 --> 01:44:45,863
are these people coming here dressed with a quilted sweater

1334
01:44:45,884 --> 01:44:49,783
when it's 100 degrees out to propel to advocate for

1335
01:44:49,823 --> 01:44:52,983
this business? They do not live here. I'm like confident

1336
01:44:53,023 --> 01:44:56,743
of it. You could easily see what their response is

1337
01:44:56,764 --> 01:44:59,623
depending on what happens here. They're going to leave after

1338
01:44:59,804 --> 01:45:02,263
this item. The residents will stay here for the next

1339
01:45:02,364 --> 01:45:05,143
item, but I encourage them to stay all night if

1340
01:45:05,143 --> 01:45:12,251
they do live here. There are communities in Edmont, the

1341
01:45:12,772 --> 01:45:17,151
closest resident will be 220 feet away. 220 feet away

1342
01:45:17,332 --> 01:45:19,871
across the street. You are going to affect their lives

1343
01:45:19,892 --> 01:45:24,111
forever. You are basically sending them out of the city.

1344
01:45:26,988 --> 01:45:29,687
Their city staff in their report said that the residents

1345
01:45:29,727 --> 01:45:33,127
are out of compliance. Why? It's because of lack of

1346
01:45:33,127 --> 01:45:37,427
leadership in this management, in this city for decades. You

1347
01:45:37,427 --> 01:45:39,967
have forced them to be out of compliant. Let me

1348
01:45:40,188 --> 01:45:44,407
remind you, the Edmond community was originally known as Alessandro,

1349
01:45:44,407 --> 01:45:47,107
one of the most historic places in the city. And

1350
01:45:47,107 --> 01:45:50,487
now it's riddled with warehouses. That is why they're out

1351
01:45:50,527 --> 01:45:55,207
of compliance. And I mean, this letter speaks for itself.

1352
01:45:55,207 --> 01:45:57,927
It goes against what we have in mind for Renovelli

1353
01:45:58,108 --> 01:46:06,941
2040. The applicant says. Thank you.

1354
01:46:08,823 --> 01:46:12,162
Our next speaker is Marco Hernandez, followed by Tatiana Flores,

1355
01:46:12,162 --> 01:46:18,716
followed by Christopher Bacca. Good evening, Mered Valley. My name

1356
01:46:18,716 --> 01:46:23,836
is Marco Hernandez. I work for Wabash National here on

1357
01:46:24,257 --> 01:46:30,656
Alexandro 22135. You know, we're a truck buddy manufactured propinski.

1358
01:46:30,656 --> 01:46:36,386
Pinski is a well - respected vendor. Customer in the

1359
01:46:36,426 --> 01:46:41,346
transportation business. You know, for us, why is it important

1360
01:46:42,327 --> 01:46:47,661
for us to bring Pinskin Moreno Valley. Pinsky brings a

1361
01:46:47,661 --> 01:46:51,981
lot of business to Mary No Valley. Why? You know,

1362
01:46:51,981 --> 01:46:57,261
we employ at Wabash 200 employees when we ramp up

1363
01:46:57,762 --> 01:47:01,581
up to 250, 300 employees. Uh, 80 percent of our

1364
01:47:01,621 --> 01:47:05,741
employees work, you know, live in Reno Valley, uh, that's,

1365
01:47:05,741 --> 01:47:07,801
that's why it's very important that, you know, that, you

1366
01:47:07,801 --> 01:47:14,781
know, pinski's, uh, has this opportunity in Murrna Valley. They

1367
01:47:14,781 --> 01:47:17,181
bring a lot of, uh, a lot of business here.

1368
01:47:18,526 --> 01:47:22,425
And we're fortunate to partner up with Pinsky to not

1369
01:47:22,526 --> 01:47:25,545
only, you know, help the community also. But, uh, we're

1370
01:47:26,206 --> 01:47:30,185
very involved with Myrnal Valley during the, you know, holiday

1371
01:47:30,225 --> 01:47:34,585
season. Um, we're going to be ramping up, uh, in

1372
01:47:34,606 --> 01:47:37,545
the fourth quarter. And, um, you know, a lot of

1373
01:47:37,545 --> 01:47:41,145
employees are going to come out of, um, valley. We

1374
01:47:41,145 --> 01:47:46,783
hire a lot of, uh, residents here. We build all

1375
01:47:46,804 --> 01:47:51,263
the 26 footers, um, you know, all the 26 footers,

1376
01:47:51,263 --> 01:47:56,923
18 footers. Pinsky commercials, pinsky consumers, uh, we build, uh,

1377
01:47:58,004 --> 01:48:02,223
trucks for the food industry, uh, for pinski and users,

1378
01:48:02,223 --> 01:48:07,064
Costco, uh, Kroger, et cetera. So I'm just here to

1379
01:48:07,485 --> 01:48:12,564
represent Pinsky. And, you know, just, um, just communicating, you

1380
01:48:12,564 --> 01:48:18,024
know, communicating to the city valley, the residents, uh, Pinsky,

1381
01:48:18,024 --> 01:48:22,344
um, is, uh, you know, a valued, you know, customer,

1382
01:48:22,344 --> 01:48:25,784
very respected. And, um, you know, all in all, it's

1383
01:48:25,784 --> 01:48:29,729
going to be good for the community. Okay. Thank you.

1384
01:48:36,995 --> 01:48:40,094
My next speaker is Tatiana Flores, followed by Christopher Bacca,

1385
01:48:40,094 --> 01:48:44,982
then followed by Nikita Wilson. Hello, commission. Thanks for the

1386
01:48:45,003 --> 01:48:48,022
opportunity to speak again. My name is Tatiana Flores and

1387
01:48:48,022 --> 01:48:51,462
I'm a resident here in Moreno Valley in District 4.

1388
01:48:51,462 --> 01:48:53,782
Um, I'm here to express my opposition to this item

1389
01:48:54,043 --> 01:48:56,902
for the development of a new truck sales leasing fueling

1390
01:48:56,923 --> 01:49:00,422
and maintenance facility. According to the initial study provided with

1391
01:49:00,462 --> 01:49:03,542
this item, it is stated that the edge mount community

1392
01:49:03,883 --> 01:49:06,342
and Marino Valley as a whole canel face an additional

1393
01:49:07,323 --> 01:49:10,742
184 truck trips per day. This is concerning when the

1394
01:49:11,003 --> 01:49:14,182
nearest resident will be across the street around 220 feet

1395
01:49:14,763 --> 01:49:17,622
from the project site. You know, we just spent several

1396
01:49:17,723 --> 01:49:20,582
months discussing truck routes in the city and the importance

1397
01:49:20,683 --> 01:49:24,182
of the importance of keeping truck traffic away from sensitive

1398
01:49:24,203 --> 01:49:28,022
receptors, yet industry development continues to be proposed in a

1399
01:49:28,062 --> 01:49:33,142
community that is already overburdened with pollution exposure. According to

1400
01:49:33,323 --> 01:49:36,662
Calenvir screen and SB535, Edjmon is one of the most

1401
01:49:37,003 --> 01:49:41,862
disadvantaged communities in Moreno Valley with a 95, um, percentile

1402
01:49:41,902 --> 01:49:46,262
for pollution birding. Burden, sorry. In areas designated disadvantaged communities

1403
01:49:46,523 --> 01:49:50,262
and with heavy industrial usage, um, we require more meaningful

1404
01:49:50,363 --> 01:49:53,942
and thoughtful planning that is required to ensure that residents

1405
01:49:53,942 --> 01:49:58,576
do not continue to be harmed by future development. This

1406
01:49:58,597 --> 01:50:01,296
is another reason why we spent several years working on

1407
01:50:01,336 --> 01:50:03,456
the general plan update to ensure that this is the

1408
01:50:03,637 --> 01:50:06,736
blueprint for the next 15 to 20 years and that

1409
01:50:06,837 --> 01:50:10,496
it reflects what the community truly needs. This project alone

1410
01:50:10,677 --> 01:50:13,296
contradicts many of the goals outline for the city in

1411
01:50:13,317 --> 01:50:18,736
various different elements, including the environmental justice element that outlines

1412
01:50:18,757 --> 01:50:23,856
policies meant to reduce pollution exposure and improve community health.

1413
01:50:23,856 --> 01:50:27,456
This company has been mentioned earlier with sued up to

1414
01:50:27,557 --> 01:50:31,296
7 million dollars for several environmental law violations related to

1415
01:50:31,317 --> 01:50:35,936
their above ground storage tanks, hazardous waste control and hazardous

1416
01:50:35,957 --> 01:50:40,256
materials at facilities it operates in Riverside County. Um, I

1417
01:50:40,296 --> 01:50:42,976
know they said that, you know, it could have been

1418
01:50:43,157 --> 01:50:46,576
an issue of documentation, but they also mentioned in their

1419
01:50:46,576 --> 01:50:49,296
presentation that a lot of their staff is trained super

1420
01:50:49,336 --> 01:50:51,776
well and even sent out a state. So how did

1421
01:50:51,816 --> 01:50:54,016
that even happen? Like, how is this an issue that

1422
01:50:54,437 --> 01:50:59,456
happened? Um, so, um, yeah, those are some concerns that

1423
01:50:59,496 --> 01:51:02,496
I have. And I guess I would say please consider

1424
01:51:02,757 --> 01:51:05,936
your health and the health of your constituents when projects

1425
01:51:05,957 --> 01:51:09,616
like these come before you. And I know something in

1426
01:51:09,616 --> 01:51:12,336
the presentation that was mentioned was like, we find that

1427
01:51:12,837 --> 01:51:14,816
a lot of people that are using these trucks are

1428
01:51:14,856 --> 01:51:17,596
just moving like to go to school and stuff. Um,

1429
01:51:17,596 --> 01:51:24,212
so why. Why, why, why? But okay, thanks. Thank you.

1430
01:51:27,302 --> 01:51:30,481
Our next speaker is Christopher Baka followed by Nikita Wilson's,

1431
01:51:30,481 --> 01:51:34,689
then followed by Rory Blicker. Good evening again. There were

1432
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:41,569
two, um, questions that weren't, were addressed but really weren't

1433
01:51:41,670 --> 01:51:46,369
clarified or didn't seem to mean much other than just

1434
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:52,139
rhetoric. Just to say that they said something or addressed

1435
01:51:52,139 --> 01:51:54,699
the issue. One of them had to do with the

1436
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,939
disposal of hazardous waste. The other one had to do

1437
01:51:57,939 --> 01:52:02,839
with, uh, the employment of people. Um, one of the

1438
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,619
issues with the employment I would ask that you also

1439
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:10,139
put conditions there that the upper management and people employed

1440
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,299
are from Moreno Valley because most likely they're going to

1441
01:52:13,299 --> 01:52:15,579
bring in the 30 employees are going to bring in

1442
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,339
are obviously going to be transfers from other areas and

1443
01:52:19,339 --> 01:52:23,499
like, uh, our other, um, speaker mentioned about the racial

1444
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:27,099
issue. We have, you know, like raising canes that's in

1445
01:52:27,099 --> 01:52:28,939
the middle of the ghetto and you have nothing but

1446
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,379
lily white people employed there, uh, Penske also, when they

1447
01:52:32,379 --> 01:52:35,499
come to their upper management, just like it's represented back

1448
01:52:35,539 --> 01:52:40,059
here is a lily white, um, uh, views and they

1449
01:52:40,099 --> 01:52:44,939
don't, um, necessarily hire upper management other than, um, uh,

1450
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,519
their own kind. Um, not my kind, but, you know,

1451
01:52:48,519 --> 01:52:53,739
I don't have a kind of, we're, but certain aspects,

1452
01:52:53,739 --> 01:52:56,939
uh, always show their awful faces with, uh, with racial

1453
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:00,539
hiring, uh, you see that in many of these million

1454
01:53:00,579 --> 01:53:03,979
dollar corporations. With that in mind, you know, you're bringing,

1455
01:53:03,979 --> 01:53:07,019
uh, this is a billion dollar corporation, uh, coming into

1456
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:11,739
one of the most impoverished, um, areas in our city,

1457
01:53:11,739 --> 01:53:15,579
which is polluted, uh, they didn't answer the environmental issue

1458
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:20,459
as far as a disposal of hazardous waste, uh, they

1459
01:53:20,499 --> 01:53:23,659
brought up legal console that just, I don't know what

1460
01:53:23,659 --> 01:53:26,299
they actually was talking about. Just nonsense just to make

1461
01:53:26,339 --> 01:53:29,259
it seem like she knows something or a dress that

1462
01:53:29,259 --> 01:53:33,259
issue, but it was all BS. Otherwise, uh, that needs

1463
01:53:33,299 --> 01:53:36,279
to be addressed to the area as far as, uh,

1464
01:53:36,279 --> 01:53:39,259
we have groundwater there. We have box greens mutual water

1465
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:44,379
that is very sensitive that feeds all the lower income

1466
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:49,739
disadvantage community of Edgemont. They're going to have car washes.

1467
01:53:49,739 --> 01:53:52,539
They're going to have hazardous waste. That needs to really

1468
01:53:52,539 --> 01:53:56,059
be addressed. Um, they also need to address the citizens

1469
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,819
that live there. Why don't they reach out and go,

1470
01:53:59,819 --> 01:54:04,059
if they're so concerned like they claim with the community,

1471
01:54:04,059 --> 01:54:06,699
why don't they reach out and put, you know, higher

1472
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:11,739
fences, may for give them some, um, air filtration, water

1473
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,899
filtration, you know, just do something. You know, you come

1474
01:54:15,939 --> 01:54:19,899
into our community's and pollute it and make a billion.

1475
01:54:19,899 --> 01:54:27,576
And the community suffers. Thank you. Our next speaker is

1476
01:54:27,597 --> 01:54:30,776
Nikita Wilson, followed by Roy Blecker, thin followed by subcox.

1477
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,067
In my comments are of my own. At this point

1478
01:54:37,168 --> 01:54:40,587
we can just call Marino Valley the city of trucks

1479
01:54:40,608 --> 01:54:44,347
and suds. Because if it's not a car wash or

1480
01:54:44,347 --> 01:54:47,507
a truck, we are tired of seeing diesels. I don't

1481
01:54:47,507 --> 01:54:52,567
care if they have pinskis on it. Disneyland, whatever. And

1482
01:54:52,567 --> 01:54:55,467
then to be getting right off the freeway, and that's

1483
01:54:55,568 --> 01:54:58,587
going to be the first thing people see is what?

1484
01:54:58,848 --> 01:55:03,867
What we are famous for, diesels, trucks. At this point,

1485
01:55:03,867 --> 01:55:05,947
we just should tell our kids to become mechanics or

1486
01:55:05,947 --> 01:55:10,587
something. Or, I mean, it's the representation that we are

1487
01:55:10,627 --> 01:55:14,507
giving for our city at a point has to become

1488
01:55:14,608 --> 01:55:17,707
better. And even with the, and I hate to sound

1489
01:55:17,808 --> 01:55:21,867
redundant about the jobs, it was very, very clear that

1490
01:55:22,128 --> 01:55:26,107
jobs were not spoken about for this community. Okay. It's

1491
01:55:26,147 --> 01:55:29,067
not, nothing is open to the community, but you can

1492
01:55:29,248 --> 01:55:31,467
rent the trucks, which I'm not against that because I

1493
01:55:31,467 --> 01:55:35,307
have brothers who are in the trucking business and they,

1494
01:55:35,347 --> 01:55:38,347
they like to rent trucks and deliver their goods and

1495
01:55:38,347 --> 01:55:40,267
those things. So I'm not opposed to that. That sounds

1496
01:55:40,307 --> 01:55:45,213
great. But we also need jobs for our residents. I

1497
01:55:45,253 --> 01:55:51,373
mean, and then stating that they go to colleges and

1498
01:55:51,413 --> 01:55:55,773
training facilities. Is that something that we can get commitment

1499
01:55:55,773 --> 01:56:00,413
to, not just a brazen, okay, this is what we

1500
01:56:00,434 --> 01:56:04,573
do. No, we need commitment that the, the colleges and

1501
01:56:04,573 --> 01:56:09,837
the training facilities in merino valley. That they will be

1502
01:56:10,178 --> 01:56:13,677
also hired. And so yet, I just want to speak

1503
01:56:13,717 --> 01:56:17,637
on that because I just find it at, at this

1504
01:56:17,637 --> 01:56:21,277
point, it's just really ridiculous. My 14 year old at

1505
01:56:21,277 --> 01:56:24,557
the time, she's 15 now, but she said at one

1506
01:56:24,557 --> 01:56:28,077
of our city hall meetings, uh, a city without places

1507
01:56:28,178 --> 01:56:31,277
together is a city that people leave. And I hate

1508
01:56:31,317 --> 01:56:34,397
for her to see that the only places to really

1509
01:56:34,658 --> 01:56:37,597
gather in merino valley is going to get a car

1510
01:56:37,637 --> 01:56:40,797
wash or going to get a truck to go to

1511
01:56:40,818 --> 01:56:50,023
college away from here. Thank you. Thank you. Our next

1512
01:56:50,063 --> 01:56:52,903
speaker is Roy Blecker followed by Seth Cox followed by

1513
01:56:53,244 --> 01:57:00,123
Manuel Topeli. So this is about three blocks from my

1514
01:57:00,123 --> 01:57:06,063
first home in my native area of edgemont. On top

1515
01:57:06,063 --> 01:57:11,721
of that. Back in the day, a guy named Roger

1516
01:57:11,742 --> 01:57:15,481
Penske and Les Richter and others owned a series called

1517
01:57:15,521 --> 01:57:19,801
the International Race of Champions or I Rock. Zoll served

1518
01:57:19,982 --> 01:57:23,241
raceway that Lesrector owned and they kept a, one of

1519
01:57:23,241 --> 01:57:26,281
the Camaro race cars for testing and stuff out there

1520
01:57:26,542 --> 01:57:30,440
in the old good year garage. Guess who used to

1521
01:57:30,461 --> 01:57:34,647
maintain that car. Yours truly. So I'm very familiar with

1522
01:57:34,687 --> 01:57:40,229
the term Penske perfect. Which has me a little bit

1523
01:57:40,410 --> 01:57:44,069
concerned. And I brought these concerns up many times and

1524
01:57:44,069 --> 01:57:47,749
a lot of this over 40 plus years of this

1525
01:57:47,770 --> 01:57:53,782
city. What concerns me about this is not so much

1526
01:57:54,043 --> 01:57:56,902
of what the project's going to do left or right

1527
01:57:57,003 --> 01:58:02,946
or up or down. It's how we present that. We

1528
01:58:03,047 --> 01:58:06,226
should have when we're coming up, and I've noticed this

1529
01:58:07,447 --> 01:58:10,546
in a lot of them, the presentations made by the

1530
01:58:10,807 --> 01:58:15,586
ones by the city staff and the project planners that

1531
01:58:15,626 --> 01:58:18,866
are proposing these things back in the day used to

1532
01:58:18,906 --> 01:58:22,857
be much better and much more specific of what. The

1533
01:58:22,878 --> 01:58:27,360
effects were going to be, good, bad and indifferent. Do

1534
01:58:27,381 --> 01:58:30,080
we know how many people are coming in? Are we

1535
01:58:30,101 --> 01:58:34,240
going to do this part? What part are these companies

1536
01:58:34,421 --> 01:58:41,745
coming in going to do the uplift the community. So

1537
01:58:41,785 --> 01:58:45,505
much we hear so much more. It's just the arguing,

1538
01:58:45,505 --> 01:58:51,256
hollering and back and forth. Instead of everybody working. To

1539
01:58:51,296 --> 01:58:57,106
make our home better for everybody. Business has got to

1540
01:58:57,106 --> 01:58:59,246
make money. I say that all the time. The only

1541
01:58:59,246 --> 01:59:04,807
no one color in that screen. So the purpose of

1542
01:59:05,308 --> 01:59:10,007
our public policy is to make sure that there's a

1543
01:59:10,047 --> 01:59:13,506
benefit to the community when they come in. Because this

1544
01:59:13,687 --> 01:59:19,990
is the basic shot you got to do it. So

1545
01:59:20,011 --> 01:59:27,030
hopefully in the future companies like Penske, entities like the

1546
01:59:27,051 --> 01:59:32,757
city of Marina Valley. Will give us better presentations and

1547
01:59:32,757 --> 01:59:36,677
more information so you can make better informed decisions. Because

1548
01:59:36,677 --> 01:59:39,717
like I've said many times up here. Comfortable with any

1549
01:59:39,818 --> 01:59:42,997
decision that's made as long as it's made on complete

1550
01:59:43,498 --> 01:59:47,506
and accurate information. And so many times we don't, and

1551
01:59:47,506 --> 01:59:49,766
especially now we don't get that. And I think that's

1552
01:59:49,806 --> 01:59:52,966
what causes a lot of the angst in the community

1553
01:59:53,227 --> 01:59:56,406
and what you hear at these meetings. One day, maybe

1554
01:59:56,667 --> 02:00:05,176
we'll fix it. Thank you. Our next speaker is Hefkotz

1555
02:00:05,197 --> 02:00:13,915
followed by Manuel Topelli. Evening commissioner staff audience. Anybody listening

1556
02:00:13,955 --> 02:00:16,784
out there in the world. I'm going to surprise everybody.

1557
02:00:17,711 --> 02:00:19,270
Gosh, you know I come up here most of the

1558
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:24,026
time against most things. Okay. I won't say I'm against

1559
02:00:24,066 --> 02:00:26,666
this or for this, but I would like to give

1560
02:00:26,706 --> 02:00:28,426
a little history of what that property has been used

1561
02:00:28,527 --> 02:00:31,066
for in the past. I first came out here in

1562
02:00:31,106 --> 02:00:37,188
1977. Alright. March Air Force Base was what? Number one.

1563
02:00:37,188 --> 02:00:40,074
They did anything they wanted to. They could have emanated

1564
02:00:40,095 --> 02:00:44,954
the soil with operations they had out here cleaning companies.

1565
02:00:44,954 --> 02:00:49,093
They clean uniforms on a mass scale. What was the

1566
02:00:49,133 --> 02:00:52,133
property used for later on in life? Okay. It's been

1567
02:00:52,234 --> 02:00:56,053
vacant for how many decades. It was used for an

1568
02:00:56,074 --> 02:01:02,501
auction yard. Where they brought in caterpillars, tractors, semi trucks.

1569
02:01:02,501 --> 02:01:05,221
And they set their on the ground for a month's

1570
02:01:05,221 --> 02:01:10,056
own in leaking stuff into the soil. Nobody raised one

1571
02:01:10,096 --> 02:01:13,365
word about that. They just let it happen. They don't

1572
02:01:13,405 --> 02:01:16,005
do that anymore. Uh, they got to be small business

1573
02:01:16,106 --> 02:01:20,165
around there. But here we have a national company, probably

1574
02:01:20,186 --> 02:01:25,845
international company. I know Mr. Pinsky from what he does.

1575
02:01:25,845 --> 02:01:28,325
And Pinsky themselves does a lot for the community that

1576
02:01:28,365 --> 02:01:31,525
they're in. Okay. They're setting back here saying they will

1577
02:01:31,525 --> 02:01:35,877
clean up the pollution that they're at their expense. That's

1578
02:01:35,917 --> 02:01:41,537
a good thing. Right? Um, they're going to have employees.

1579
02:01:41,537 --> 02:01:44,897
Yes, they will hire some locals, but they'll have some

1580
02:01:44,897 --> 02:01:47,297
people that will move in. That's just the nature of

1581
02:01:47,297 --> 02:01:50,097
the beast. We as a city, I don't think can

1582
02:01:50,097 --> 02:01:52,417
dictate that all 31 of those people have to come

1583
02:01:52,598 --> 02:01:55,777
from arena valley. That is not lawful. We can't dictate

1584
02:01:55,958 --> 02:02:01,718
their employment policies. Okay. Um, what else? Good things. Um,

1585
02:02:02,139 --> 02:02:04,438
they pointed out they have a lot of community activities

1586
02:02:04,859 --> 02:02:07,798
blood drives, the peak program, some of the other ones

1587
02:02:07,838 --> 02:02:12,518
on there. They didn't mention something I'm aware of because

1588
02:02:12,558 --> 02:02:17,018
I work with charities. They have programs where charities can

1589
02:02:17,058 --> 02:02:19,818
sign a contract and they can do all the paperwork

1590
02:02:19,839 --> 02:02:22,698
they need to do and go in occasionally if they

1591
02:02:22,698 --> 02:02:25,209
need a truck. And get it at a discount rate

1592
02:02:25,550 --> 02:02:28,569
or sometimes free to go pick up stuff to bring

1593
02:02:28,590 --> 02:02:31,898
into the city to give out to people. That's a

1594
02:02:31,898 --> 02:02:34,589
good thing. So they can't stand up here and tell

1595
02:02:34,589 --> 02:02:40,964
you every community event that they support. But worldwide, pinski

1596
02:02:41,305 --> 02:02:45,833
supports. Everything most of the time good. Have they done

1597
02:02:45,854 --> 02:02:49,193
bad things? Sure. Every big company will. If you're a

1598
02:02:49,214 --> 02:02:52,793
multi - billion dollar company, you're going to have mistakes.

1599
02:02:54,086 --> 02:02:57,805
Okay. Things happen. I would say another word happens. But

1600
02:02:57,846 --> 02:03:01,425
it happens. So I don't know why we're giving them

1601
02:03:01,465 --> 02:03:05,501
such grief other than people want to ask questions. I'll

1602
02:03:05,522 --> 02:03:12,126
call it politicking. Okay. Let's face it. Thank you. Thank

1603
02:03:12,126 --> 02:03:21,085
you. Our next speaker is Manuel Topelli. Manuel Topete is

1604
02:03:21,125 --> 02:03:23,485
my name. They call me memo. I'm a business owner

1605
02:03:23,525 --> 02:03:25,965
here, Marino Valley for 36 years, but I've been a

1606
02:03:26,005 --> 02:03:30,206
resident of Marino Valley for 54 years. Now here's the

1607
02:03:30,206 --> 02:03:32,206
thing. I live right down the street from this project

1608
02:03:32,387 --> 02:03:35,732
is getting done. You guys are abusing. First of all,

1609
02:03:35,753 --> 02:03:38,452
you ain't spent a penny on anybody in Edgemont. We

1610
02:03:38,473 --> 02:03:41,848
got no lights. We got people getting killed on Alessandro

1611
02:03:41,888 --> 02:03:45,478
Boulevard. We just had a shooting. You guys are doing

1612
02:03:45,518 --> 02:03:47,558
nothing for the community. I've been in the same corner

1613
02:03:48,219 --> 02:03:49,798
36 years. People say you're not going to make it

1614
02:03:49,819 --> 02:03:53,131
in that corner. And guess what? 15 years ago I

1615
02:03:53,171 --> 02:03:55,291
came on this stage and I spoke out about another

1616
02:03:55,392 --> 02:04:00,055
developer just like this one. Highland Fairview. Okay. The next

1617
02:04:00,055 --> 02:04:03,172
day I was home invasioned. My teeth were knocked out.

1618
02:04:03,172 --> 02:04:05,188
My wife was tied up. And I was beat up

1619
02:04:05,369 --> 02:04:08,031
and no suspects. Now this is the problem. You guys

1620
02:04:08,031 --> 02:04:12,359
do not hold these developers accountable. As a merino valley

1621
02:04:12,399 --> 02:04:14,919
resident. You three up there who laughed at me and

1622
02:04:14,940 --> 02:04:17,799
blocked me on Facebook. Need to be held accountable. It's

1623
02:04:17,820 --> 02:04:20,679
time you guys move on and let young blood get

1624
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:22,279
in there and do what needs to be done in

1625
02:04:22,300 --> 02:04:26,941
this city. Dejouned. Let's find out why he got fired

1626
02:04:26,981 --> 02:04:33,246
from the school district. Joanne, you announced you're running a

1627
02:04:33,246 --> 02:04:37,503
meeting. Give every other person the same ability that's running

1628
02:04:37,543 --> 02:04:39,983
for district to to come up here and say I'm

1629
02:04:39,983 --> 02:04:42,303
running in front of everybody. This is a TV ad

1630
02:04:42,324 --> 02:04:46,436
right here. And you're using it illegally. Where is the

1631
02:04:46,457 --> 02:04:52,529
people's safety in Edgemont. As much the original original capital

1632
02:04:52,569 --> 02:04:54,689
of Marino Valley. When you get up, when you get

1633
02:04:54,710 --> 02:04:57,009
off the freeway and you get off that freeway and

1634
02:04:57,009 --> 02:05:00,060
you see where are we in Mexicali. That is embarrassing

1635
02:05:00,481 --> 02:05:02,780
that you take our taxpayer funds. I want to know

1636
02:05:02,820 --> 02:05:05,516
where our taxpayer funds are going. The east side where

1637
02:05:05,516 --> 02:05:08,696
it's empty where ito is, is fucking nice. Brand new

1638
02:05:08,696 --> 02:05:12,461
lights, LEDs. And what do we got? Yellow lights. You

1639
02:05:12,501 --> 02:05:14,381
complain about a light. They change it like this and

1640
02:05:14,381 --> 02:05:16,932
put another yellow light in. You need to hold these

1641
02:05:16,972 --> 02:05:19,812
developers accountable. They come up here. They screw with your

1642
02:05:19,812 --> 02:05:23,332
head. Somehow an envelope gets in your guys'pocket and we

1643
02:05:23,372 --> 02:05:26,267
get screwed. Now this is the thing. It's got to

1644
02:05:26,267 --> 02:05:28,827
stop right now. Penske's going to do nothing for edge

1645
02:05:28,867 --> 02:05:32,144
one. Nothing. There's no room for trucks. There's no lights.

1646
02:05:32,869 --> 02:05:34,768
There's nothing for them to come in to edge one

1647
02:05:34,808 --> 02:05:36,608
and do what you guys need to do is finish

1648
02:05:36,709 --> 02:05:38,448
the bathroom and edjuand that you guys have been working

1649
02:05:38,448 --> 02:05:41,866
on for three months. Police don't come. Fire department don't

1650
02:05:41,906 --> 02:05:44,906
come. Let's get everybody held accountable. And I don't want

1651
02:05:44,906 --> 02:05:48,506
to go home and get home invasion again. Because no

1652
02:05:48,527 --> 02:05:53,341
suspects. Alright? So who's working with who? I know there

1653
02:05:53,362 --> 02:05:55,741
watching this. I need help. I can't do this by

1654
02:05:55,781 --> 02:05:58,975
myself. People are scared. I'm not scared. I'm here to

1655
02:05:58,975 --> 02:06:03,445
tell you I'm going to hold you guys accountable. Manual

1656
02:06:03,485 --> 02:06:06,085
stares been there 36 years against all odds. I made

1657
02:06:06,085 --> 02:06:09,365
it. I've been robbed over 30 times. Over 40 crimes

1658
02:06:09,386 --> 02:06:11,982
against me. Not one has been solved. You guys want

1659
02:06:12,022 --> 02:06:14,215
me out of hedge. One. So you can knock it

1660
02:06:14,215 --> 02:06:18,135
down. You illegally rezone my property from commercial or residential.

1661
02:06:18,135 --> 02:06:20,535
I lost over a million dollars. Nobody's sticking up for

1662
02:06:20,535 --> 02:06:29,522
me. Why? Somebody watching me. I know. Thank you.

1663
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:33,992
Do we have any other speakers. We have no more

1664
02:06:34,013 --> 02:06:41,088
speaker cards, chair. Good. All right. If there's no more

1665
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:46,102
speakers, then. We'll off that up the applicant, an opportunity

1666
02:06:46,102 --> 02:06:50,902
to come back up and maybe respond to comments if

1667
02:06:50,902 --> 02:06:59,383
you like. Thank you, Commissioners. And if there's anything specific

1668
02:06:59,484 --> 02:07:01,843
that you would like to direct me to address, I'm

1669
02:07:01,843 --> 02:07:05,543
happy to do so. Um, I think just to close,

1670
02:07:05,543 --> 02:07:08,023
I'd like to remind everyone that this has been a

1671
02:07:08,023 --> 02:07:14,418
very robust and comprehensive project processing. Timeline. Um, this project

1672
02:07:14,519 --> 02:07:20,622
went through. SQL review. All environmental impacts identified. We're either

1673
02:07:20,643 --> 02:07:24,142
mitigated or determined to be less than significant. As to

1674
02:07:24,142 --> 02:07:27,502
the air quality issues that folks were alluding to this

1675
02:07:27,502 --> 02:07:32,862
project individually and cumulatively is below all thresholds for health

1676
02:07:32,883 --> 02:07:36,062
risk, for lifetime cancer risk. All of those analyses are

1677
02:07:36,062 --> 02:07:38,302
performed. That's all part of the record before you this

1678
02:07:38,302 --> 02:07:43,582
evening. All those conclusions were developed by independent SQL consultant.

1679
02:07:43,582 --> 02:07:46,462
That's not a Penske document. Those are qualified experts coming

1680
02:07:46,483 --> 02:07:50,222
to those conclusions. Everything has been done in accordance with

1681
02:07:50,222 --> 02:07:53,982
the law. Specifically the environmental quality act. And so I

1682
02:07:53,982 --> 02:07:57,262
do want to emphasize that there were no corners cut

1683
02:07:57,302 --> 02:08:00,382
here. Um, this project went through a very robust and

1684
02:08:00,382 --> 02:08:04,062
rigorous review. We worked for several years with city staff

1685
02:08:04,062 --> 02:08:06,862
on this project. We did not make haste to come

1686
02:08:06,862 --> 02:08:10,648
before you with something that was incomplete. If the, um,

1687
02:08:10,689 --> 02:08:14,300
I can address specifically. I'm happy to do so. Thank

1688
02:08:14,300 --> 02:08:18,121
you. I would like to touch on the disposable waste.

1689
02:08:18,121 --> 02:08:19,641
Uh, where does that going to go? Because I mean,

1690
02:08:19,662 --> 02:08:22,441
they said that nobody really answered that question. Can you

1691
02:08:22,441 --> 02:08:26,761
answer that question? Yes. Absolutely. So again, a project is

1692
02:08:26,862 --> 02:08:29,481
always obligated to comply with the law. That's not a

1693
02:08:29,521 --> 02:08:32,521
condition of approval. That is a background requirement of doing

1694
02:08:32,622 --> 02:08:36,361
any business. And in disposing of hazardous waste, you have

1695
02:08:36,401 --> 02:08:40,761
obligations to comply with local fire code, coupa regulations and

1696
02:08:40,761 --> 02:08:43,961
overlying state health and safety codes and statutes, all of

1697
02:08:43,961 --> 02:08:47,481
which the operation must comply with to remain operational. And

1698
02:08:47,582 --> 02:08:54,164
we'll do so. Thank you very much.

1699
02:09:00,571 --> 02:09:04,870
All right. We'll now close the public testimony section at

1700
02:09:04,891 --> 02:09:07,830
804 PM and moving to deliberations.

1701
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:31,258
You know, I don't know the deal here on Edmond.

1702
02:09:31,258 --> 02:09:35,961
I know they feel like it's a stepchild, but. I

1703
02:09:36,062 --> 02:09:38,601
don't let this project has to do with edgemon on

1704
02:09:38,601 --> 02:09:42,421
the other side of Alessandro. But, um, all I can

1705
02:09:42,421 --> 02:09:45,161
say is my experience with Pinsky's been very good because

1706
02:09:45,161 --> 02:09:48,724
I've worked with them on the corporate level. And they

1707
02:09:48,745 --> 02:09:51,319
do what they said they're going to do. So I

1708
02:09:51,740 --> 02:09:54,439
like the project. I think it's going to be an

1709
02:09:54,439 --> 02:09:58,239
asset to that part of the town down there. I

1710
02:09:58,239 --> 02:09:59,699
know a lot of people don't agree with that. But

1711
02:09:59,699 --> 02:10:02,119
I think it's going to be an asset. So that's

1712
02:10:02,140 --> 02:10:06,809
where I'm at on it. Okay. Thank you. And my

1713
02:10:06,910 --> 02:10:11,129
understanding is, is that the soil was contaminated long before.

1714
02:10:11,129 --> 02:10:15,222
And they're going to clean all that up. As far

1715
02:10:15,262 --> 02:10:18,982
as the houses that are there and they're very close

1716
02:10:19,003 --> 02:10:25,571
to other warehousing, that's Riverside. Anything on that old 215

1717
02:10:26,792 --> 02:10:29,411
on the other side, that's all Riverside. Riverside put that

1718
02:10:29,411 --> 02:10:33,251
up there way before anybody could even build anything in

1719
02:10:33,272 --> 02:10:37,571
adjunct. Because edgemont's infrastructure was not very good at all.

1720
02:10:39,046 --> 02:10:41,825
Once they started building there, they kind of been able

1721
02:10:41,825 --> 02:10:45,425
to tie in. So bottom line is, is that for

1722
02:10:45,425 --> 02:10:48,465
us to get the blame on all those warehouses, those

1723
02:10:48,465 --> 02:10:51,745
weren't ours. They're not ours. So the demographics there is

1724
02:10:51,745 --> 02:10:54,065
totally off for people to say that that's what we're

1725
02:10:54,105 --> 02:10:57,985
building on there. And, uh, this is actually a business.

1726
02:10:57,985 --> 02:11:02,305
This is not a warehouse. This is a business. And,

1727
02:11:02,305 --> 02:11:06,002
uh. You can't build too much on the. You've got

1728
02:11:07,163 --> 02:11:09,542
bass right by there. So they can't even put solar.

1729
02:11:11,259 --> 02:11:13,842
I mean, they would put solar if they could. I

1730
02:11:13,842 --> 02:11:17,502
mean, I just, uh, and they are employing a lot

1731
02:11:17,502 --> 02:11:21,662
of people because they're actually got a contract with, um,

1732
02:11:22,503 --> 02:11:30,998
WABAS. So by even seeing that, I basically, um, don't

1733
02:11:30,998 --> 02:11:33,878
know what else could actually really go there. You can't

1734
02:11:33,878 --> 02:11:36,278
put a shopping center there. So let's get that out

1735
02:11:36,318 --> 02:11:38,918
of our heads right now. I don't believe we could

1736
02:11:39,179 --> 02:11:42,438
put a shopping center there and have, you know, people

1737
02:11:42,699 --> 02:11:44,918
there. So, um, they're not really going to be causing

1738
02:11:45,179 --> 02:11:48,518
a lot of traffic because it's not like, um, a

1739
02:11:48,518 --> 02:11:50,038
U - Haul. U - Haul's coming in and out

1740
02:11:50,038 --> 02:11:55,502
all the time. And they are supplying other people that

1741
02:11:55,523 --> 02:11:59,956
are already in our city. They're doing business with Penske.

1742
02:11:59,956 --> 02:12:02,356
Maybe they don't have the penske logo on there. Like

1743
02:12:02,356 --> 02:12:05,156
he said, but I'm sure that they are doing that.

1744
02:12:05,156 --> 02:12:07,876
So a lot of people, they get very upset. They

1745
02:12:07,977 --> 02:12:10,836
storm out. They do whatever, you know. And anybody can

1746
02:12:10,836 --> 02:12:13,716
come up to the diocese and say whatever they want.

1747
02:12:13,716 --> 02:12:18,436
But, um, when I walked in here, I came in

1748
02:12:18,476 --> 02:12:21,716
with like a bad taste in my mouth with Penske.

1749
02:12:21,716 --> 02:12:24,276
I really did. And I wanted to hear everything. That's

1750
02:12:24,276 --> 02:12:27,036
why I asked question after question after question. Because I

1751
02:12:27,036 --> 02:12:30,116
want to make sure that I make a good informed

1752
02:12:30,116 --> 02:12:34,560
decision. That's my job up here. People don't like it.

1753
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,400
It's not a popular thing to be. It's not a

1754
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:40,795
popularity contest. I really don't care. I have to do

1755
02:12:40,896 --> 02:12:43,595
what I feel is right for the city that I

1756
02:12:43,635 --> 02:12:46,155
live in and have been here for 40 years. I'm

1757
02:12:46,176 --> 02:12:49,975
not somebody to just move here. TF5, 10 years ago.

1758
02:12:50,015 --> 02:12:53,015
I've been here a long time. I know what Edgemont

1759
02:12:53,015 --> 02:12:57,487
looked like. And hopefully we can start getting better businesses.

1760
02:12:57,487 --> 02:12:59,727
That's why he said I would like the aesthetics to

1761
02:12:59,767 --> 02:13:03,913
look really nice coming into the city. Because it has

1762
02:13:03,934 --> 02:13:07,633
been a blight there for so long. You've got, I

1763
02:13:07,633 --> 02:13:09,593
know exactly what you got next door because I used

1764
02:13:09,593 --> 02:13:13,391
to go there all the time. To, uh, service my

1765
02:13:13,412 --> 02:13:16,365
car. I know the owners of that place. But there's

1766
02:13:16,365 --> 02:13:18,045
not much you can do if it's an auto body

1767
02:13:18,085 --> 02:13:21,325
place. You know, you can't really do much there. But

1768
02:13:21,586 --> 02:13:24,285
that's my, my concern is if we could at least

1769
02:13:24,285 --> 02:13:27,805
make it look nice. And it's coming into our side

1770
02:13:27,805 --> 02:13:30,845
of town. Like I said, the other side of town,

1771
02:13:30,845 --> 02:13:33,845
Riverside has always done what they wanted. And then we

1772
02:13:33,845 --> 02:13:35,165
can do about it. And a lot of people are

1773
02:13:35,266 --> 02:13:38,685
wondering why those houses are out of compliance. That's why.

1774
02:13:38,685 --> 02:13:43,612
That's why Ishmael that it's out of compliance. Those houses.

1775
02:13:43,612 --> 02:13:46,572
That's why, because Riverside just put all them warehouses there.

1776
02:13:51,905 --> 02:13:54,524
Well, this is all basically, I think this is the

1777
02:13:54,564 --> 02:13:57,724
only thing that can basically be a value to the

1778
02:13:57,745 --> 02:14:00,764
city to even go there. And like I said, once

1779
02:14:00,804 --> 02:14:03,564
I heard that wall bash has a huge contract with

1780
02:14:03,604 --> 02:14:09,804
them in a valley, they're employing them. And not that,

1781
02:14:09,804 --> 02:14:13,884
you know, I just, you know, I think it's going

1782
02:14:13,884 --> 02:14:16,684
to be a good fit for that area because they're

1783
02:14:16,865 --> 02:14:20,364
going to clean it up. All those things that were

1784
02:14:20,945 --> 02:14:24,298
there were prior. To them even getting on there. And

1785
02:14:24,298 --> 02:14:26,158
they're going to clean up all that stuff. And as

1786
02:14:26,158 --> 02:14:28,638
far as the lawsuit, they're going to have to put

1787
02:14:28,678 --> 02:14:30,798
the fight just like we had the fire put to

1788
02:14:30,798 --> 02:14:35,278
us by the attorney general. They're going to have their

1789
02:14:35,318 --> 02:14:37,758
feet to the fire and a magnifying glass on them.

1790
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:40,619
And that's just the way it is. When something like

1791
02:14:40,619 --> 02:14:43,499
that happens, believe me, they're not going to let them

1792
02:14:44,240 --> 02:14:48,919
skip or, or do anything. So I'm leaning toward, um,

1793
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:53,125
voting for it. You got some.

1794
02:15:00,281 --> 02:15:05,460
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I hear

1795
02:15:05,460 --> 02:15:08,100
a lot of things. It's, um, sometimes it does get

1796
02:15:08,281 --> 02:15:15,486
emotional. This is my 57th year in the city. And,

1797
02:15:15,486 --> 02:15:17,486
uh, I used to live right on the corner band

1798
02:15:17,526 --> 02:15:19,966
day, lived there for years, walked back and forth from

1799
02:15:20,147 --> 02:15:22,286
band day to marina Valley High School on a daily

1800
02:15:22,307 --> 02:15:28,031
basis. So Edmond is really where I started. When actually

1801
02:15:28,772 --> 02:15:32,591
the 215 wasn't the old 215, it was a 215.

1802
02:15:32,591 --> 02:15:35,311
He's drive up and down the 215 run. Yeah. Yeah.

1803
02:15:35,412 --> 02:15:38,771
Oh, 395. And it changed to the 215. It was

1804
02:15:38,771 --> 02:15:43,834
before it turned into a street. I think one of

1805
02:15:43,874 --> 02:15:47,514
the things that happens here is there's two things. Laws

1806
02:15:47,514 --> 02:15:50,794
do change. And we have, uh, if people don't know

1807
02:15:50,815 --> 02:15:53,914
what A luck is, that's the, uh, airport. I didn't

1808
02:15:53,954 --> 02:15:58,232
get that right airport land use commission. Over the years.

1809
02:16:00,791 --> 02:16:03,810
Some of that has changed because March Air Forces there

1810
02:16:04,551 --> 02:16:07,330
back in, you could put houses there right now with

1811
02:16:07,330 --> 02:16:09,410
the new laws, most of the edgemod wouldn't even be

1812
02:16:09,410 --> 02:16:11,970
there because you couldn't put houses there because of the

1813
02:16:12,471 --> 02:16:15,970
planes flying over it. Um, you know, we get a

1814
02:16:15,970 --> 02:16:18,210
lot of folks. We actually get the same folks that

1815
02:16:18,250 --> 02:16:22,030
come in and, you know, their environmentalists and they, you

1816
02:16:22,030 --> 02:16:25,843
know, everything would be nice if they were parks. You

1817
02:16:25,843 --> 02:16:29,043
know, and waters and lakes and dog parks and stuff

1818
02:16:29,083 --> 02:16:31,483
like that. But I really don't think someone's going to

1819
02:16:31,544 --> 02:16:34,483
spend millions of dollars on a piece of land and

1820
02:16:34,523 --> 02:16:38,622
put a park there. Um, it'd be nice. If every

1821
02:16:38,662 --> 02:16:40,762
place there was a warehouse. It was a park, but

1822
02:16:40,762 --> 02:16:44,542
people do come to the city to put businesses in.

1823
02:16:44,542 --> 02:16:47,462
The thing that people have to understand is this. We

1824
02:16:47,462 --> 02:16:50,302
do have land that is business park. We do have

1825
02:16:50,563 --> 02:16:53,822
lens that is designated for commercial. We do have land

1826
02:16:53,843 --> 02:17:01,439
that is specified for those uses. And we got to

1827
02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:03,359
understand if that's what's going to, that's going to happen.

1828
02:17:04,770 --> 02:17:08,669
You know, it can't stop every commercial building and every

1829
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:11,789
business part from coming in the marino valley. I wish

1830
02:17:11,890 --> 02:17:14,829
to, you know, be great as all houses. One of

1831
02:17:14,829 --> 02:17:19,149
the things also was that we are, we are evolving

1832
02:17:19,650 --> 02:17:25,754
into, for instance, you build apartments. You can't wash your

1833
02:17:25,855 --> 02:17:28,874
car at an apartment because unless you can somehow get

1834
02:17:28,895 --> 02:17:31,914
that hose in your window and out to where your

1835
02:17:31,954 --> 02:17:35,748
car is parked. It's not going to happen. Because you're

1836
02:17:35,748 --> 02:17:38,148
not going to plug F and an apartment at a

1837
02:17:38,148 --> 02:17:40,708
general faucet and the apartment's going to pay for that

1838
02:17:40,809 --> 02:17:44,496
water. Um, because you're washing your car. Those, I think

1839
02:17:44,496 --> 02:17:48,576
we put up 179. Every time we build apartments, every

1840
02:17:48,576 --> 02:17:51,996
time we put that type of use here in the

1841
02:17:51,996 --> 02:17:54,416
sea, a couple of things are going to happen. I

1842
02:17:54,416 --> 02:17:57,697
mean, we're looking for storage. And then we're looking to

1843
02:17:57,737 --> 02:17:59,777
wash their car. There's a couple of other things that's

1844
02:17:59,817 --> 02:18:03,420
going to happen. And I get it. I get it

1845
02:18:03,420 --> 02:18:05,900
that Marino Valley used to be this very small place.

1846
02:18:05,940 --> 02:18:08,140
I've been in this city longer than anybody in this

1847
02:18:08,161 --> 02:18:15,047
building. No? Okay. Longer than anybody in this building and

1848
02:18:15,047 --> 02:18:17,607
I get it. It's changing. I think right now we're

1849
02:18:17,607 --> 02:18:22,247
the 44th largest city in California. And we're still growing.

1850
02:18:22,247 --> 02:18:23,847
And we still have a lot of land out to

1851
02:18:23,887 --> 02:18:26,147
the east and it's going to grow even more. And

1852
02:18:26,147 --> 02:18:30,390
growing, you've heard it. There are growing pains. I get

1853
02:18:30,411 --> 02:18:35,161
that. However, like I said, I've said this before, that

1854
02:18:35,161 --> 02:18:38,598
dirt is going to turn into something. And I wish

1855
02:18:38,699 --> 02:18:40,998
it could be houses. I wish it could. But that,

1856
02:18:41,038 --> 02:18:43,958
that, that the A luck laws have changed. You can't

1857
02:18:43,958 --> 02:18:47,878
put houses there anymore. Can't even put, you know, solar

1858
02:18:47,878 --> 02:18:50,118
panels there because of the glare. You can't build certain

1859
02:18:50,139 --> 02:18:53,638
things that have glare that would obstruct the landing or

1860
02:18:53,659 --> 02:18:57,558
takeoff a plane. And that's change. And guess what folks?

1861
02:18:57,579 --> 02:19:03,573
We have to change with that. We do. Um, you

1862
02:19:03,573 --> 02:19:06,693
know, I, I, I wish we could stay the same.

1863
02:19:06,693 --> 02:19:08,453
And, you know, the poor guy that had the horse

1864
02:19:08,634 --> 02:19:13,333
and buggy, then somebody decided to invent a motorized car.

1865
02:19:13,333 --> 02:19:15,173
And then if he didn't change or, you know, before

1866
02:19:15,994 --> 02:19:20,053
Pac Bell or Marbelle was back and somebody decided to

1867
02:19:20,053 --> 02:19:23,093
create fiber optics. And guess what? You have to change.

1868
02:19:23,093 --> 02:19:26,693
I remember using Thomas guides and paper maps. And then

1869
02:19:26,733 --> 02:19:28,773
pretty soon somebody comes along and now I can use

1870
02:19:28,874 --> 02:19:32,373
my, uh, right there under my screen on my computer.

1871
02:19:32,373 --> 02:19:39,452
You have to change. So, um. One of the things

1872
02:19:39,473 --> 02:19:45,320
that the planning commission is, um. Tasks to do is

1873
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:47,720
if we were to look at a project and say,

1874
02:19:47,720 --> 02:19:49,400
we're going to deny a project, we have to look

1875
02:19:49,440 --> 02:19:52,520
at very specific things to do that. And it isn't

1876
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:54,840
that we can just say, well, I, I don't want

1877
02:19:54,861 --> 02:19:58,600
it there. There's too many of them. Stuff like that.

1878
02:19:58,600 --> 02:20:03,337
We can create lawsuits for the city. You know, and

1879
02:20:03,337 --> 02:20:05,037
we don't want to do that. We don't want to

1880
02:20:05,037 --> 02:20:07,757
do that either because guess what? Now we're harming the

1881
02:20:07,757 --> 02:20:13,609
city as well. Um. I looked at the project and

1882
02:20:13,609 --> 02:20:17,689
I'm like, wow. I, you know, I actually glad that

1883
02:20:17,710 --> 02:20:20,009
things are going in the edge mark because that was

1884
02:20:20,670 --> 02:20:24,389
one of the last frontiers that seem like a lot

1885
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:29,720
of development skipped. And went into the, into the city

1886
02:20:29,741 --> 02:20:32,520
and just edmont stayed older until we started coming up

1887
02:20:32,861 --> 02:20:35,640
days tree. And there's portillos and all that. And that's

1888
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:42,346
fantastic. For me myself, I'm for the project. I think

1889
02:20:42,367 --> 02:20:46,746
it's great. We got to, now we have, and please

1890
02:20:46,767 --> 02:20:51,866
forgive me the quein phrase. We have, we have the

1891
02:20:51,887 --> 02:20:58,968
high end U - Haul. You know, and yeah, this

1892
02:20:59,008 --> 02:21:03,688
apples down. But, um, like my colleague said that my

1893
02:21:03,728 --> 02:21:06,488
car is more like the pinski and she's driving the

1894
02:21:06,528 --> 02:21:09,608
U - Haul, you know, Murner Valley does want better

1895
02:21:09,709 --> 02:21:14,475
things here. We absolutely do. And we want higher in

1896
02:21:14,475 --> 02:21:17,915
businesses here. And we want people that thrive and we

1897
02:21:17,915 --> 02:21:20,695
want people to get hired and stuff like that. And

1898
02:21:20,695 --> 02:21:24,235
we don't want everything that gets stopped. I just want

1899
02:21:24,336 --> 02:21:28,955
people to understand. Just get that like in your heads.

1900
02:21:28,955 --> 02:21:31,435
That empty land is going to go. And if it's

1901
02:21:31,456 --> 02:21:36,174
zoned for that. They're coming. Because we're putting up houses.

1902
02:21:36,174 --> 02:21:39,294
We're putting up apartments and people need to have jobs.

1903
02:21:39,294 --> 02:21:43,614
It's going to happen. Now again, everything is not going

1904
02:21:43,614 --> 02:21:46,654
to go through the approval process. Um, but when somebody

1905
02:21:46,755 --> 02:21:50,014
comes in and they're dotting eyes and they're crossing tees

1906
02:21:50,195 --> 02:21:53,294
and they're helping clean up trash that we have created

1907
02:21:53,635 --> 02:21:56,704
a long, long time ago, that's a good thing. And

1908
02:21:56,725 --> 02:21:59,664
guess what? Lawsuits are also good things just like some

1909
02:21:59,664 --> 02:22:02,224
of the losses that we see. It puts people on

1910
02:22:02,805 --> 02:22:05,424
point. You have to do the things that are prescribed

1911
02:22:05,445 --> 02:22:07,744
within the lawsuit. And that's a good thing. I'd rather

1912
02:22:07,845 --> 02:22:11,984
the lawsuits that they had happened before it came here.

1913
02:22:11,984 --> 02:22:14,304
And then we have to do it. No, it's a

1914
02:22:14,304 --> 02:22:18,064
good thing. And so that's my two cents. I like

1915
02:22:18,085 --> 02:22:21,344
the project. I just have a closing thing to say,

1916
02:22:21,344 --> 02:22:24,224
even though, um, in a roundabout way, the way I

1917
02:22:24,264 --> 02:22:28,144
see it, um, they may not be actually, it's for

1918
02:22:28,165 --> 02:22:32,864
Pansky, but it isn't just for Penske because their employee,

1919
02:22:32,864 --> 02:22:35,184
by the gentleman that came up, I'll go back to

1920
02:22:35,184 --> 02:22:39,424
the wall bash. They are actually working with Penske. Then

1921
02:22:39,424 --> 02:22:41,664
the other ones working with Penske that are in this

1922
02:22:41,664 --> 02:22:47,184
city. So they are actually providing a need in the

1923
02:22:47,224 --> 02:22:51,344
area for, and that's not, you know, they're not going

1924
02:22:51,344 --> 02:22:54,544
to come here unless it is economically viable for them.

1925
02:22:55,285 --> 02:22:57,304
To be able to come here. They're not going to

1926
02:22:57,304 --> 02:23:00,784
put a big old Penske hub here simply because they're

1927
02:23:00,824 --> 02:23:04,384
not going to do good business within the city, within

1928
02:23:04,384 --> 02:23:08,524
the surrounding area. So I just think it's actually, um,

1929
02:23:09,045 --> 02:23:12,603
a good thing. And there is a need for it.

1930
02:23:14,314 --> 02:23:21,722
So that's where I'm at with. You know, it's kind

1931
02:23:21,722 --> 02:23:24,362
of like what the online shopping, you know, the more

1932
02:23:24,402 --> 02:23:29,377
we online shop. These stores don't have storefronts and they're

1933
02:23:29,417 --> 02:23:31,297
going to have to put their stuff somewhere. And that

1934
02:23:31,337 --> 02:23:35,096
means a warehouse. We want our stuff to show up

1935
02:23:35,136 --> 02:23:38,536
at our front doors. We want our ease. We want

1936
02:23:38,797 --> 02:23:40,696
the convenience. But we want, do we don't want the

1937
02:23:40,797 --> 02:23:43,093
growing pains that go along with that. We got to

1938
02:23:43,093 --> 02:23:47,001
get out of that line of thinking. Um, what do

1939
02:23:47,001 --> 02:23:49,081
you got? Well, the only thing I would say is

1940
02:23:49,422 --> 02:23:53,241
besides wall bash. I'm sure they buy tires locally and

1941
02:23:53,241 --> 02:23:55,081
the lubricants and all that's going to come out of

1942
02:23:55,102 --> 02:23:58,361
Marino Valley somehow. At least the general area. So it's

1943
02:23:58,401 --> 02:24:02,521
not only what they're doing. It's kind of vulp a

1944
02:24:02,521 --> 02:24:06,681
bunch of other businesses. I'm sure you buy maybe by

1945
02:24:06,681 --> 02:24:10,921
contract. But it'll eventually like wall bashes a big deal

1946
02:24:11,102 --> 02:24:14,201
there for them. And, um, it's a dominance. Yeah. I'm

1947
02:24:14,201 --> 02:24:16,161
glad. Yeah. I think it is a domino effect. So

1948
02:24:16,161 --> 02:24:20,522
I think it's a good deal. Do a motion or.

1949
02:24:22,144 --> 02:24:28,043
Okay. Let's move on this adopt resolution. How about this

1950
02:24:28,043 --> 02:24:33,803
one right here? Yeah. Resolution, um, 2026 - 28. Then

1951
02:24:33,803 --> 02:24:38,843
also adopting the initial study mitigated negative declaration prepared for

1952
02:24:38,883 --> 02:24:46,763
the plot plan PEN 22 - 0250, which is completed

1953
02:24:47,024 --> 02:24:51,163
and compliance with SEQA and the SQL guidelines and reflects

1954
02:24:51,163 --> 02:24:57,803
the planning commissions independent judgment and analysis of the proposed

1955
02:24:58,224 --> 02:25:05,083
project potential environmental projects and also adopting the, uh, mitigation

1956
02:25:05,664 --> 02:25:10,603
and monitoring and reporting program prepared for the proposed projects,

1957
02:25:10,603 --> 02:25:16,683
potential environmental impacts. We're going to adopt resolution 2026 -

1958
02:25:16,944 --> 02:25:23,723
29 at proving the plot plan PEN 220250 subject to

1959
02:25:23,763 --> 02:25:28,443
the attached conditions of approval included and exhibit A on

1960
02:25:28,443 --> 02:25:34,283
the resolution 2026 - 29. And as shown in the

1961
02:25:34,323 --> 02:25:43,339
approved plan. And I'll second that. We have a vote.

1962
02:25:52,104 --> 02:25:55,538
Alright. The motion does carry. Uh, do we have a

1963
02:25:55,719 --> 02:26:00,403
staff wrap up. Yes, we do chair. The motion passes

1964
02:26:00,744 --> 02:26:04,163
30, the project is approved. There is now a 10

1965
02:26:04,184 --> 02:26:07,203
- day appeal period. Any person who wishes to appeal

1966
02:26:07,224 --> 02:26:10,803
the project must submit an appeal application and the required

1967
02:26:10,984 --> 02:26:16,083
fee to the community development department within 10 calendar days

1968
02:26:16,264 --> 02:26:20,559
of the hearing. Thank you. All right. The next item

1969
02:26:20,740 --> 02:26:23,279
on the agenda's item number two, which is a plot

1970
02:26:23,460 --> 02:26:31,039
plan, which is PEN 22 - 0215 in district one.

1971
02:26:31,039 --> 02:26:35,767
Do we have a staff report. Thank you, Chair. We

1972
02:26:36,028 --> 02:26:45,249
have given the presentation today our associate planner. Our associate

1973
02:26:45,289 --> 02:26:47,169
planner. I would like to hang on just one second.

1974
02:26:47,209 --> 02:26:50,529
I'd like to rewind the public to please remain respectful.

1975
02:26:52,495 --> 02:26:54,954
And please allow us to speak so that we can

1976
02:26:54,994 --> 02:26:58,116
hear what's going on. This is a hearing. Just a

1977
02:26:58,116 --> 02:27:06,239
reminder. Thank you, Chair. Our associate planner, Dijun Patel, will

1978
02:27:06,239 --> 02:27:12,340
be presenting the next item. Good evening, Chairman and members

1979
02:27:12,380 --> 02:27:17,123
of the Planning Commission. Dijun Patel Associate Planner. The project

1980
02:27:17,224 --> 02:27:20,403
before you this evening is to request to consider a

1981
02:27:20,504 --> 02:27:25,203
plot plan for the development of a new 4, 767

1982
02:27:25,384 --> 02:27:30,987
square foot automated car wash. And associate parking and landscape

1983
02:27:31,008 --> 02:27:35,406
improvements. The proposed project is permitted used by write subject

1984
02:27:35,427 --> 02:27:38,365
to the upper wall of a plot plan. Staff has

1985
02:27:38,386 --> 02:27:42,285
reviewed the project for consistency with the development standards and

1986
02:27:42,325 --> 02:27:46,525
provisions set for the in the city citizen municipal code.

1987
02:27:50,654 --> 02:27:52,793
The proposed project is located on the east side of

1988
02:27:52,814 --> 02:27:57,755
pigeon pass road between ironwood, avenue and hemlock avenue. The

1989
02:27:57,776 --> 02:28:02,075
site is located within the community commercial CC zone which

1990
02:28:02,075 --> 02:28:06,483
allows the use. So rounding land users include an apartment

1991
02:28:06,664 --> 02:28:09,443
development to the north, a home depot to the west.

1992
02:28:10,351 --> 02:28:12,970
A commercial shopping center to the south and a storage

1993
02:28:13,071 --> 02:28:20,763
facility to the east. The prepose project involves development of

1994
02:28:21,264 --> 02:28:24,818
4, 767 square foot single - story commercial building. For

1995
02:28:24,999 --> 02:28:27,698
the operation of an automated car wash on a 1.

1996
02:28:27,719 --> 02:28:32,263
02 acre vacant parcel. The project site is accessible via

1997
02:28:32,524 --> 02:28:36,343
two new drivers along the northeast side of pigeon passroad.

1998
02:28:36,383 --> 02:28:40,590
The sudden driveway allows both entry and exit. While non

1999
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:45,044
- driver is for exit only. Both the drivers also

2000
02:28:45,084 --> 02:28:49,475
serve as the project sites, emergency access route. Redestrian walkways

2001
02:28:49,515 --> 02:28:53,155
are uprotted throughout the project site for adequate pedestrian circulation.

2002
02:28:54,296 --> 02:28:56,915
The side provides total of 29 on - site parking

2003
02:28:56,955 --> 02:29:03,394
spaces, including 25 standard parking. With vacuum stations, 4 employee

2004
02:29:03,434 --> 02:29:08,034
spaces, and 2 AD spaces with 1 for the standard

2005
02:29:08,074 --> 02:29:12,768
use and one for the employees. The number and the

2006
02:29:12,768 --> 02:29:15,808
type of parking spaces complies with the immensible code requirements.

2007
02:29:20,193 --> 02:29:23,612
Reply's project features a modern commercial design featuring a mix

2008
02:29:23,612 --> 02:29:29,903
of high quality materials and distinctive architectural elements. Exterior surface

2009
02:29:30,004 --> 02:29:33,663
will be finished with smooth sand floor stucco painted and

2010
02:29:33,663 --> 02:29:37,503
corniate color schemes of page, white, orange red, warm -

2011
02:29:37,503 --> 02:29:41,263
up and brown tones, resulting in a genuified visually appealing

2012
02:29:41,303 --> 02:29:49,439
facade. The project includes a comprehensive landscape plan with landscape

2013
02:29:49,479 --> 02:29:54,719
setbacks, parking lot landscape landscaping, street trees and perimeter plantings

2014
02:29:54,719 --> 02:29:59,148
around the project site. The proposed landscaping is indetted to

2015
02:29:59,148 --> 02:30:03,068
enhance the oral appearance and experience of the development while

2016
02:30:03,108 --> 02:30:07,812
complying with the city's municipal code for landscaping requirements. Following

2017
02:30:07,812 --> 02:30:11,012
the further review staff has requested the addition and modification

2018
02:30:11,052 --> 02:30:16,132
of conditions of approval, planning condition number 10, staff has

2019
02:30:16,132 --> 02:30:19,012
requested a condition number 10 be modified to address noise

2020
02:30:19,012 --> 02:30:22,312
associated with the drive - thru operation. Under the proposed

2021
02:30:22,333 --> 02:30:26,632
condition, the project would utilize a silent strike system and

2022
02:30:26,632 --> 02:30:31,592
also the noise level should not exceed the 55 decibels

2023
02:30:31,613 --> 02:30:33,992
at any time beyond the property line consistent with the

2024
02:30:34,013 --> 02:30:41,320
applicable provisions of the municipal code. Staff also requested the

2025
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:47,444
addition of conditions. For the site access and driver design.

2026
02:30:47,444 --> 02:30:51,924
The prepose driveways would be required to confirm to the

2027
02:30:52,105 --> 02:30:55,990
city's standard plan for commercial driveway approaches. Access would be

2028
02:30:56,251 --> 02:31:00,870
provided as follows. Dry V1, notherly right turn out ecrest

2029
02:31:00,870 --> 02:31:04,364
only. Drive it to southerly right in, right out only.

2030
02:31:05,872 --> 02:31:11,039
Appropriate signing and strapping would be provided as required. The

2031
02:31:11,220 --> 02:31:14,559
purpose project complies with the section 9. 0 to 0.

2032
02:31:14,599 --> 02:31:18,639
070 plot plan and on applicable development standards of the

2033
02:31:18,639 --> 02:31:22,399
zoning code. Staff recommends that planning commission adopt resolution number

2034
02:31:23,220 --> 02:31:27,439
2026 - 02 and thereby determining that the plot plan

2035
02:31:27,780 --> 02:31:33,807
220215 is exempt from the prohibition of the CEQA. As

2036
02:31:33,828 --> 02:31:38,303
a class 32 exemption info development. In accordance with SQL

2037
02:31:38,343 --> 02:31:43,503
guidelines section 15332 and also approving the plot plan PEN22

2038
02:31:44,004 --> 02:31:49,103
- 0215 subject to the attach conditions of approval included

2039
02:31:49,103 --> 02:31:53,263
as exhibit A of resolution number 2026 - 2 and

2040
02:31:53,263 --> 02:31:57,621
as amended. To public comments have been receipt for the

2041
02:31:57,661 --> 02:32:02,142
project. This concludes staff's presentation. I'm available for any questions.

2042
02:32:02,392 --> 02:32:05,091
Also present with us tonight is the applicant steam as

2043
02:32:05,091 --> 02:32:09,292
well. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any commissioner questions

2044
02:32:09,473 --> 02:32:18,695
for staff. Um, while reading through this

2045
02:32:19,276 --> 02:32:23,015
I saw a couple things that don't really seem to

2046
02:32:23,055 --> 02:32:26,807
see this all the time. Did this... Did I read

2047
02:32:26,807 --> 02:32:29,687
this correctly it says that the proposed project is consistent

2048
02:32:30,428 --> 02:32:34,487
with the goals, objective, policies and programs of the general

2049
02:32:34,588 --> 02:32:42,530
plan. Alright the proposed project, this is a question is

2050
02:32:42,530 --> 02:32:47,810
correct, the proposed project complies what all's zoning in other

2051
02:32:47,850 --> 02:32:57,338
regulations. So that's correct. So, okay.

2052
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:06,447
Yeah, not bad. Any questions. Alright, we're going to now

2053
02:33:06,447 --> 02:33:11,687
open up the public testimony at 828 PM. And what

2054
02:33:11,687 --> 02:33:13,127
the applicant like to speak.

2055
02:33:25,863 --> 02:33:29,122
Good afternoon chairman, dejeunette and members of the Moreno Valley

2056
02:33:29,122 --> 02:33:32,482
Planning Commission, uh, it's a pleasure to present to you

2057
02:33:32,663 --> 02:33:36,082
this evening. Allow me to introduce myself. My name is

2058
02:33:36,122 --> 02:33:40,722
Michael Paul's. I'm the applicant's representative. With me this evening.

2059
02:33:40,722 --> 02:33:44,322
Um, are the, or is the architect of record Mr.

2060
02:33:44,362 --> 02:33:48,002
Andrew Pisterico as well as the property owner Mr. Ahmed

2061
02:33:48,823 --> 02:33:56,335
Serrafi. This gentleman. Uh, to begin my presentation, uh, we're

2062
02:33:56,335 --> 02:34:00,555
proposing a quiet environmentally friendly water saving car wash, uh,

2063
02:34:00,676 --> 02:34:05,535
which consists of 4, 767 square feet of car wash

2064
02:34:05,535 --> 02:34:11,949
building in conjunction with 25 quiet vacuum stalls. Our proposed

2065
02:34:12,050 --> 02:34:15,949
car wash utilizes state of the art equipment, which recycles

2066
02:34:16,050 --> 02:34:18,329
up to 90 percent of the water used in the

2067
02:34:18,329 --> 02:34:24,607
wash process. The proposed vacuum stalls incorporate an exceptionally quiet

2068
02:34:24,708 --> 02:34:28,767
centralized vacuum system, which will be completely enclosed inside a

2069
02:34:28,807 --> 02:34:36,644
building. Again, um, as articulated by staff, uh, our request

2070
02:34:36,644 --> 02:34:39,684
is consistent with the goals objectives of the general plan

2071
02:34:40,505 --> 02:34:43,204
and the project also complies with all of the development

2072
02:34:43,204 --> 02:34:46,404
standards of the zoning code and underlying community commercial zoning

2073
02:34:46,505 --> 02:34:50,804
designation, which permits car washes as a principally permitted use.

2074
02:34:52,476 --> 02:34:55,975
I'd like to, uh, discuss some of the community benefits.

2075
02:34:55,975 --> 02:35:01,741
Um, associated with car washes. Uh, car wash capacity. Uh,

2076
02:35:02,082 --> 02:35:06,882
is underrepresented, uh, in the surrounding community. The closest express

2077
02:35:06,983 --> 02:35:11,842
car wash is the GO car wash on Frederick Street,

2078
02:35:11,842 --> 02:35:14,482
a small - ish car wash approximately half a mile

2079
02:35:14,522 --> 02:35:20,402
south, uh, which comprises 13 vacuum stalls for customer use,

2080
02:35:20,402 --> 02:35:23,342
um, the next closest would be the eye wash, uh,

2081
02:35:23,783 --> 02:35:28,882
express smallish, excuse me, accessory car wash located approximately one

2082
02:35:28,882 --> 02:35:34,542
mile from the subsight and provides eight vacuum stalls. And

2083
02:35:34,542 --> 02:35:39,042
the lastly, uh, the closest comparable express car wash is

2084
02:35:39,082 --> 02:35:42,242
the quick quack car wash, uh, which is located approximately

2085
02:35:42,663 --> 02:35:46,402
1. 5 miles from the subject site. I'd also like

2086
02:35:46,423 --> 02:35:49,042
to point out that there are no express car washes

2087
02:35:49,082 --> 02:35:54,883
north of the 60 freeway. So the question offer often

2088
02:35:54,883 --> 02:35:59,123
arises, why are car wash is important to a community?

2089
02:35:59,123 --> 02:36:03,043
Well, the simple answer is the car washes save water.

2090
02:36:04,411 --> 02:36:07,830
And they removed pollutants that would otherwise be washed off

2091
02:36:07,870 --> 02:36:10,310
the car if a car were to be washed in

2092
02:36:10,350 --> 02:36:15,412
the street or, or in a driveway. In this world

2093
02:36:15,433 --> 02:36:19,492
in which we live where water is becoming a scarcity,

2094
02:36:19,492 --> 02:36:22,852
new automatic car washes are viewed as an important environmentally

2095
02:36:23,033 --> 02:36:30,489
friendly drought tolerant use. And let me give you an

2096
02:36:30,489 --> 02:36:36,302
example of why car washes are important. When we service

2097
02:36:36,342 --> 02:36:38,142
a car, when we wash a car, we use anywhere

2098
02:36:38,142 --> 02:36:41,342
between five and 12 gallons of water during the wash

2099
02:36:41,342 --> 02:36:45,342
process. The remainder is recycled. If an individual were to

2100
02:36:45,382 --> 02:36:48,422
wash their vehicle in their driveway, should they have a

2101
02:36:48,422 --> 02:36:52,702
driveway? Um, they would be using anywhere between 80 and

2102
02:36:53,043 --> 02:36:57,744
120 gallons and up to 200 gallons of water. That

2103
02:36:57,845 --> 02:37:02,224
water that in this driveway wash or a street wash,

2104
02:37:02,224 --> 02:37:05,344
um, would wash all the soap, would wash all the

2105
02:37:05,685 --> 02:37:08,624
brake dust, the oil, the grit that collects on the

2106
02:37:08,664 --> 02:37:11,904
car. All of that would flow into the curb and

2107
02:37:11,925 --> 02:37:15,104
gutter system. And it would wind up in our storm

2108
02:37:15,144 --> 02:37:19,824
drains, in our rivers, in lakes, and our local ocean

2109
02:37:19,925 --> 02:37:25,668
environment. Um, whereas a single wash does not make that

2110
02:37:25,668 --> 02:37:29,148
much of a difference. The tens of thousands, hundreds of

2111
02:37:29,148 --> 02:37:34,148
thousands, millions of washes, uh, that occur in driveways and

2112
02:37:34,169 --> 02:37:39,908
on streets, cumulatively are a, uh, are a major environmental

2113
02:37:39,948 --> 02:37:46,007
issue in Southern California. When we wash a car, um,

2114
02:37:46,608 --> 02:37:50,027
all of those constituents, all of that pollution gets washed

2115
02:37:50,027 --> 02:37:53,307
off the car. It gets collected in our recycling clarifier

2116
02:37:53,307 --> 02:37:58,187
system. Um, and then it is disposed of in environmentally

2117
02:37:58,208 --> 02:38:05,245
appropriate fashion. Some additional project information. Uh, the site is

2118
02:38:05,245 --> 02:38:09,805
going to incorporate high definition security cameras providing 100 percent

2119
02:38:10,146 --> 02:38:14,365
coverage of the entire property, both inside and out. We're

2120
02:38:14,405 --> 02:38:17,085
going to be providing a DVR system, which is going

2121
02:38:17,085 --> 02:38:19,885
to record the images and maintain them for a period

2122
02:38:19,906 --> 02:38:23,812
of 60 days. We'll also be providing lighting, which will

2123
02:38:23,833 --> 02:38:27,412
encompass the entire site, inclusive of the sidewalks along pigeon

2124
02:38:27,433 --> 02:38:32,612
pass road, fronting the property without impacting adjacent and adjoining

2125
02:38:32,652 --> 02:38:39,179
properties. We're going to incorporate solar rooftop solar, um, as

2126
02:38:39,179 --> 02:38:42,940
part of the project. And I'd also like to indicate

2127
02:38:43,121 --> 02:38:46,060
that this project represents over an eight million dollar investment

2128
02:38:46,721 --> 02:38:50,300
in the Moreno Valley community, which utilizes again, state of

2129
02:38:50,321 --> 02:38:55,318
art technologies. Uh, we will also be creating 15 new

2130
02:38:55,339 --> 02:38:58,438
jobs in the community and give preference to Moreno Valley

2131
02:38:58,438 --> 02:39:02,838
residents, especially those individuals that can walk bicycle or use

2132
02:39:02,859 --> 02:39:09,825
public transportation. Incoming to work. Additionally, and most importantly, um,

2133
02:39:10,166 --> 02:39:13,105
we're also providing marinal valley residents with a choice of

2134
02:39:13,126 --> 02:39:18,657
selecting green, tolerance services within their own community. Um, with

2135
02:39:18,657 --> 02:39:22,817
that, um, that concludes my presentation. I would like to

2136
02:39:22,817 --> 02:39:26,097
make myself available for any questions. And, uh, I would

2137
02:39:26,097 --> 02:39:30,577
also like to introduce the next speaker, the property owner,

2138
02:39:30,577 --> 02:39:38,305
Mr. Ahmed Seraphi. Good evening, Council Members. Planning commission. My

2139
02:39:38,305 --> 02:39:41,025
name is Amedsorafi. I am the applicant, the owner of

2140
02:39:41,065 --> 02:39:43,505
the property, uh, in question. And I just wanted to

2141
02:39:43,505 --> 02:39:45,505
come up here for a few minutes and want to

2142
02:39:45,505 --> 02:39:49,905
introduce myself to you as a aspiring new business owner

2143
02:39:49,926 --> 02:39:52,765
in the city as well as the developer and the

2144
02:39:52,765 --> 02:39:55,425
builder of the project. A couple of things that I

2145
02:39:55,425 --> 02:39:58,865
just wanted to point out because these are important to

2146
02:39:58,865 --> 02:40:02,145
me because the way I grew up and the way

2147
02:40:02,166 --> 02:40:06,065
I lived my life is because you do things right

2148
02:40:06,086 --> 02:40:11,505
the first time. I've been around many projects, many developments

2149
02:40:11,686 --> 02:40:15,425
where people cut corners. And they spend a lifetime fixing

2150
02:40:15,465 --> 02:40:19,731
things. Right. I have built and been part of a

2151
02:40:19,731 --> 02:40:24,371
very large project teams. I have built colleges civic centers,

2152
02:40:24,371 --> 02:40:26,051
city halls. I've been part of a lot of public

2153
02:40:26,312 --> 02:40:31,091
construction. I really understand the process and the benefit of

2154
02:40:31,192 --> 02:40:34,211
building things right the first time. So a few things

2155
02:40:34,211 --> 02:40:37,251
about me. I am not from out of the area.

2156
02:40:37,251 --> 02:40:40,211
I live 20 minutes away in Rancho Cucamonga. I've lived

2157
02:40:40,211 --> 02:40:42,531
in the Empire for getting close to 20 years now.

2158
02:40:43,193 --> 02:40:45,972
I have been coming to Marina Valley for most of

2159
02:40:45,972 --> 02:40:49,332
my life, whether it's going to, uh, the Air Force

2160
02:40:49,433 --> 02:40:52,692
Base for air shows with my grandparents or attempting to

2161
02:40:52,732 --> 02:40:55,252
learn how to water ski 40 years ago in Lake

2162
02:40:55,292 --> 02:41:00,976
Paris, which was a disaster, uh, by itself. Um, a

2163
02:41:00,976 --> 02:41:04,336
few things also that, um, when they talk about is,

2164
02:41:04,336 --> 02:41:09,516
um, I already have a management team in place. One

2165
02:41:09,516 --> 02:41:11,536
of my best friends, Carlos Prochtla here in the first

2166
02:41:11,536 --> 02:41:16,896
row. He is also a citizen and living here in

2167
02:41:16,936 --> 02:41:19,296
the city of Murneau Valley as well as his assistant

2168
02:41:19,317 --> 02:41:21,936
manager also living in the city of Marino Valley as

2169
02:41:21,936 --> 02:41:26,576
well. So my, my team has already started Carlos Springs

2170
02:41:27,557 --> 02:41:31,776
25, 30 years of retail experience of managing and operating

2171
02:41:31,816 --> 02:41:35,056
some of the largest retail establishments and businesses in the

2172
02:41:35,056 --> 02:41:38,016
country. And he's bringing that skill set to the car

2173
02:41:38,056 --> 02:41:39,856
wash that we are going to be building here in

2174
02:41:39,896 --> 02:41:45,056
Marino Valley. Carlos is also, and he can confirm this

2175
02:41:45,477 --> 02:41:47,456
that, you know, our employees for this type of business

2176
02:41:49,317 --> 02:41:52,096
are living in the community. And this type of business

2177
02:41:52,277 --> 02:41:55,616
will bring in employees at a maximum of three miles

2178
02:41:55,656 --> 02:41:59,536
from the property. Meaning all 15 employees most likely will

2179
02:41:59,637 --> 02:42:03,856
be from Marino Valley. And the very strong chance and

2180
02:42:03,856 --> 02:42:08,176
I will encourage Carlos to make sure as many of

2181
02:42:08,176 --> 02:42:11,696
the employees as possible are from here in the community

2182
02:42:11,717 --> 02:42:17,428
name. Another thing about me, I am not a 250

2183
02:42:17,449 --> 02:42:20,948
billion dollar hedge fund. I don't have a quacky car

2184
02:42:21,049 --> 02:42:24,548
wash with 200, 300 locations across the country. We are

2185
02:42:24,588 --> 02:42:27,268
a small family company here on Sunday, California where we

2186
02:42:27,268 --> 02:42:31,268
live, play, and work. And responsible for the communities that

2187
02:42:31,308 --> 02:42:34,548
we also live in. Another thing I like to point

2188
02:42:34,548 --> 02:42:38,068
out now these is an estimate and the numbers are

2189
02:42:38,108 --> 02:42:42,548
not solid, but looking at our pro forma and our

2190
02:42:42,588 --> 02:42:47,237
anticipated numbers. In terms of property tax and sales tax

2191
02:42:47,277 --> 02:42:49,077
that we will bring to the city. We're hoping to

2192
02:42:49,178 --> 02:42:51,957
hit on year one at least a hundred thousand dollars

2193
02:42:54,298 --> 02:42:57,317
tax to the city, uh, at least 100, 000 dollars

2194
02:42:57,658 --> 02:43:00,837
year one and growing from there on out, which would,

2195
02:43:00,877 --> 02:43:04,188
I would hope to, uh. Provide, you know, whether city

2196
02:43:04,188 --> 02:43:08,668
services or hiring additional staff or things like that. Another

2197
02:43:08,708 --> 02:43:10,988
thing I like to point out also is when I

2198
02:43:11,028 --> 02:43:15,314
build things, I do things the right way. I build

2199
02:43:15,735 --> 02:43:18,354
with the best materials with my best contracts, my best

2200
02:43:18,354 --> 02:43:24,654
people. Meaning my property will have solar panels, which, uh,

2201
02:43:24,855 --> 02:43:27,794
Mr. Paul's already spoke about. We're not going to put

2202
02:43:28,135 --> 02:43:31,074
cheap flimsy canopies over the vacuums. We're going to put

2203
02:43:31,575 --> 02:43:34,994
structural steel panels over that. We're going to have 163

2204
02:43:35,175 --> 02:43:39,474
solar panels generating up towards 75 percent of the power

2205
02:43:39,575 --> 02:43:43,554
that we consume on site. Meaning for every kilowatt that

2206
02:43:43,594 --> 02:43:47,314
we use, we will be generating three quarters of that

2207
02:43:48,055 --> 02:43:51,874
on site. Meaning we're only going to be generating requiring

2208
02:43:52,215 --> 02:43:57,154
a quarter of a comparable properties energy requirement. As for

2209
02:43:57,255 --> 02:44:01,834
the environmental issue, I'm a big environmental in person. I

2210
02:44:01,975 --> 02:44:04,194
recycle every bottle. You should see the back of my

2211
02:44:04,234 --> 02:44:06,354
car. It's full of the plastic bottles. They all go

2212
02:44:06,375 --> 02:44:11,474
through recycling center. And when it comes to the environmental

2213
02:44:11,474 --> 02:44:15,474
issue on this, our equipment is electric. So we're not

2214
02:44:15,655 --> 02:44:20,274
using, um, loud compressors. We're not using hydraulic oils. We're

2215
02:44:20,274 --> 02:44:23,314
not using anything that can hurt the environment that way.

2216
02:44:23,314 --> 02:44:25,874
Nothing is going to be seeping into the ground as

2217
02:44:25,874 --> 02:44:30,274
well as our water recliimed system, which Mr. Paul spoke

2218
02:44:30,274 --> 02:44:33,474
about. We will be recycling 90 percent of the water

2219
02:44:33,655 --> 02:44:38,194
on site. And what is not recycled, uh, goes into

2220
02:44:38,375 --> 02:44:41,488
three stage clarifier system. Which is part of my equipment

2221
02:44:41,669 --> 02:44:44,128
package. I'm going to be spending close to 2 million

2222
02:44:44,149 --> 02:44:49,168
dollars on just equipment alone for this property. Meaning water

2223
02:44:49,989 --> 02:44:53,728
reclaim system reverse osmosis, the car wash equipment, the vacuum

2224
02:44:53,749 --> 02:44:57,648
equipment, as well as, uh, high tech VFG dries for

2225
02:44:57,648 --> 02:44:59,808
my vacuums to keep them extra quiet during the day

2226
02:44:59,848 --> 02:45:04,368
as well. So, you know, I'm not here to cheap

2227
02:45:04,789 --> 02:45:08,768
it and build quick, build fast, sell it, turn it

2228
02:45:08,768 --> 02:45:11,408
over to someone and walk away. I live 25 minutes

2229
02:45:11,448 --> 02:45:14,208
away. This is a business that is for me and

2230
02:45:14,248 --> 02:45:16,848
my family. We've been in the community for the last

2231
02:45:17,109 --> 02:45:19,728
40, 50 years here in the inland empire. And I'm

2232
02:45:19,768 --> 02:45:23,408
looking forward to working with the city, with the staff,

2233
02:45:23,408 --> 02:45:26,528
with you members of the Planning Commission and anyone else

2234
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:31,568
to, to, uh, to be a productive and contributing member

2235
02:45:31,608 --> 02:45:34,879
to the city as well. Thank you. Thank you. Are

2236
02:45:34,900 --> 02:45:37,919
there any commissioner questions for the applicant? I'm not trying

2237
02:45:37,959 --> 02:45:42,319
to make any comparison whatsoever with the operation that's there

2238
02:45:42,359 --> 02:45:46,559
on Alessandro. And I believe it's Graham. Is it similar

2239
02:45:46,559 --> 02:45:50,560
to that one. Um, I, if you would give me,

2240
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:52,640
it's the only great big car wash. We do have

2241
02:45:52,661 --> 02:45:56,320
in this city. It's, it's really, it's a, you drive

2242
02:45:56,320 --> 02:45:59,360
through it. And it's a big one. And then they

2243
02:45:59,360 --> 02:46:04,160
have all that stalls. Does anybody beyond down there? Beyond.

2244
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:07,120
Is it called Bianca words? It started off some different

2245
02:46:07,160 --> 02:46:09,920
owner. And I went to that when it first opened

2246
02:46:10,101 --> 02:46:14,000
years ago. And then, um, I think they changed hands.

2247
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:16,720
Is that the one behind the gas station? No, no.

2248
02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:18,720
It's been there for a long time. Is it Graham

2249
02:46:19,141 --> 02:46:25,169
and or is it. Gramman Elisandro? Ram and Alessandro. And

2250
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:27,289
if you told me the name of the business, I

2251
02:46:27,289 --> 02:46:31,066
would know it. It's probably a quick quack. It may

2252
02:46:31,066 --> 02:46:33,386
be. Did it turn to quick whack? I haven't been

2253
02:46:33,386 --> 02:46:35,306
on that area for a while. It wasn't quick back

2254
02:46:35,346 --> 02:46:38,666
to begin with. Mr. Pauz is aware of the location.

2255
02:46:38,706 --> 02:46:41,707
Yeah. Yes, I am aware of the site. The site

2256
02:46:41,747 --> 02:46:46,027
was actually developed on, um, uh, it's kind of behind

2257
02:46:46,048 --> 02:46:49,307
a little strip ball. It is behind somewhat of a

2258
02:46:49,307 --> 02:46:51,147
strip mall. It's also built on a unique parcel of

2259
02:46:51,187 --> 02:46:54,347
land that has, uh, the state water system that runs

2260
02:46:54,347 --> 02:46:58,136
through it. So it's very limited. Um, is it similar.

2261
02:46:59,007 --> 02:47:03,206
It's, it's, it's, yes or no. Yes and no. Um,

2262
02:47:03,407 --> 02:47:06,186
it is similar in the sense that it is an

2263
02:47:06,367 --> 02:47:10,586
express car wash, um, it's similar in that, uh, the

2264
02:47:10,687 --> 02:47:13,946
requirements, uh, they're imposed by the state of California are

2265
02:47:13,967 --> 02:47:17,066
similar to the requirements that, that, uh, will be imposed

2266
02:47:17,106 --> 02:47:20,026
on this project. Uh, where it is not similar is

2267
02:47:20,026 --> 02:47:22,906
the quality of the machinery, the quality of the car

2268
02:47:22,946 --> 02:47:28,986
wash itself. The dryers, um, the, um, the, the investment,

2269
02:47:28,986 --> 02:47:31,546
uh, that's being made by, by Mr. Sarah. I'm just

2270
02:47:31,546 --> 02:47:33,586
trying to get a visual on what it kind of

2271
02:47:33,586 --> 02:47:35,386
going to look like. Cause the quick wax look totally

2272
02:47:35,426 --> 02:47:38,346
different. So when somebody said it was a quick crack,

2273
02:47:38,346 --> 02:47:39,718
I didn't think it was a quick quack. They have

2274
02:47:39,758 --> 02:47:42,398
a duck. Do they have a duck on their? I

2275
02:47:42,398 --> 02:47:43,958
don't know. I don't need to go to the iron.

2276
02:47:43,979 --> 02:47:45,798
I don't have a duck. I don't know about that,

2277
02:47:45,798 --> 02:47:49,598
but I'm, I'm not in. You have a pigeon. An

2278
02:47:49,598 --> 02:47:52,758
eagle, right? All the equipment that's going to my car

2279
02:47:52,798 --> 02:47:55,158
wash is manufactured here and then I just wanted to

2280
02:47:55,419 --> 02:47:57,078
know more or less what it's going to look like.

2281
02:47:57,078 --> 02:47:59,878
Cause I know that there are different types of looks

2282
02:47:59,918 --> 02:48:04,738
to the car washes. So when I develop property, I

2283
02:48:05,159 --> 02:48:07,058
develop for the long term because I'm a long -

2284
02:48:07,058 --> 02:48:11,058
term owner. Right. So meaning that the style and the

2285
02:48:11,159 --> 02:48:14,258
design of the property would be consistent with something that

2286
02:48:14,359 --> 02:48:17,538
you would see for the long camera in Southern California.

2287
02:48:17,538 --> 02:48:21,378
If it's an apartment complex, it's built Spanish style with

2288
02:48:21,719 --> 02:48:25,778
how roofs and white stucco. So it means like I

2289
02:48:25,778 --> 02:48:27,938
don't want to go and have a quick gimmicky look

2290
02:48:28,359 --> 02:48:32,195
that is. Okay for five or seven years. Then all

2291
02:48:32,195 --> 02:48:33,795
of a sudden it's outdated and all that. I want

2292
02:48:33,795 --> 02:48:37,955
something that's going to stamme the testament of time and

2293
02:48:37,976 --> 02:48:40,275
have a design and look to it that will look

2294
02:48:40,275 --> 02:48:42,995
good for the next 50 years versus the next five

2295
02:48:42,995 --> 02:48:46,195
years. Right. So when I say my projects have red

2296
02:48:46,216 --> 02:48:50,595
tile roofs, they have white stucco. They have traditional sun

2297
02:48:50,595 --> 02:48:54,995
in the California landscape versus steel and glass and all

2298
02:48:55,035 --> 02:48:57,235
this modernism that you see that looks good for a

2299
02:48:57,235 --> 02:49:01,955
number of years, but times change some styles do. Some

2300
02:49:01,955 --> 02:49:03,875
styles don't. So whatever I build, I like to have

2301
02:49:03,875 --> 02:49:09,554
a timeless design to it. Okay. Yeah. Just the, I

2302
02:49:09,554 --> 02:49:11,994
know that you're saying, yeah, the other one has windows.

2303
02:49:11,994 --> 02:49:13,674
And you can see the car going through and stuff

2304
02:49:13,674 --> 02:49:16,874
like that. I just want to kind of get how,

2305
02:49:16,874 --> 02:49:19,987
you know, what it was going to look like. Okay.

2306
02:49:26,250 --> 02:49:30,549
Did I catch that correct? We have two managers that.

2307
02:49:31,073 --> 02:49:38,676
Are city residents, Carlos and, uh, okay. Carlos's wife. That's

2308
02:49:38,697 --> 02:49:43,476
what I'm talking about, Carlos. The question is who's going

2309
02:49:43,476 --> 02:49:44,996
to be the manager and who's going to be the

2310
02:49:44,996 --> 02:49:50,541
assistant manner? Right. No, she's, she's managing it. Carlos, you

2311
02:49:50,541 --> 02:49:53,573
got to come to work on time. Any other questions.

2312
02:49:55,049 --> 02:50:00,993
Well, thank you. I appreciate it. All right. We're now

2313
02:50:01,033 --> 02:50:06,193
moving the. Public comments. The clerk will call up on

2314
02:50:06,193 --> 02:50:08,433
each person who has asked it to speak just a

2315
02:50:08,433 --> 02:50:10,833
reminder. You have three minutes to speak. If you are

2316
02:50:10,873 --> 02:50:13,633
speaking, just keep your eye on the timer that it

2317
02:50:13,673 --> 02:50:16,193
would be just, uh, to your right there. Do we

2318
02:50:16,193 --> 02:50:19,641
have any speakers. Yes, chair. We presently have three speaker

2319
02:50:19,641 --> 02:50:23,961
cards. Our first speaker is Ishmael Gonzalez followed by Lisa

2320
02:50:24,622 --> 02:50:32,823
Ariano, then followed by Tayana Forrest. Hello again. Um, let

2321
02:50:32,823 --> 02:50:36,183
me begin by, uh, first saying with all due respect,

2322
02:50:36,183 --> 02:50:39,863
I think, uh, from, as a resident, uh, I want

2323
02:50:39,884 --> 02:50:43,463
to say same on all of you for that vote,

2324
02:50:43,463 --> 02:50:48,343
uh, same, uh, commissioner baker, uh, specifically with all due

2325
02:50:48,383 --> 02:50:50,423
respects here. I don't know you, but I think it

2326
02:50:50,423 --> 02:50:54,023
was a saintful admission of you to say that you

2327
02:50:54,284 --> 02:50:56,983
just worked for Penske and approved their project for the

2328
02:50:57,023 --> 02:51:00,503
most historic place in Maryland Valley. I'm here looking at

2329
02:51:00,764 --> 02:51:06,903
the settlement announcement. The district attorney Lauren R. Martini now

2330
02:51:06,943 --> 02:51:10,343
of the environmental protection team. I hope that the residents

2331
02:51:10,343 --> 02:51:13,223
are able to, I'm speaking to you all, Mirano Valley.

2332
02:51:13,223 --> 02:51:15,543
I'm hoping you could talk to her and see what

2333
02:51:15,583 --> 02:51:19,543
her thoughts are considering that Penske just settled for seven

2334
02:51:19,543 --> 02:51:24,503
million, uh, I'm the Riverside location. That's the same. We

2335
02:51:24,764 --> 02:51:28,449
just there's another facility not too far off. With this

2336
02:51:29,750 --> 02:51:37,928
item. I think Commissioner Joanne Stefan sticked your guns. Please.

2337
02:51:37,928 --> 02:51:40,568
You're the one that directed staff to take a look,

2338
02:51:40,568 --> 02:51:44,008
uh, study system into these kinds of properties, uh, these

2339
02:51:44,048 --> 02:51:48,770
types of uses with car washes. Again, 67 percent of

2340
02:51:49,271 --> 02:51:54,450
75 people residents said no to not wanting anymore. There

2341
02:51:54,490 --> 02:51:59,109
are more than 18. Already in the city. I think

2342
02:51:59,130 --> 02:52:03,109
that's very sainful, you know, uh, where are the diversity

2343
02:52:03,450 --> 02:52:06,389
of businesses, the variety of businesses that, uh, you guys

2344
02:52:06,970 --> 02:52:10,549
just approved in April, the general plan 2040, you guys

2345
02:52:10,970 --> 02:52:15,429
indicate on so many fronts, um, let's see, land use

2346
02:52:16,330 --> 02:52:21,189
character goals, economic goals, circulation goals, noise goals, environmental justice

2347
02:52:21,210 --> 02:52:23,989
goals, healthy community goals. All of those are being affected

2348
02:52:24,170 --> 02:52:27,509
by this proposal and the last. And it's really a

2349
02:52:27,509 --> 02:52:30,469
shame that you guys approved all of this. You guys

2350
02:52:30,469 --> 02:52:33,909
spent so much time. And now you guys are still

2351
02:52:34,170 --> 02:52:38,789
considering projects that go against the general plan, uh, it's

2352
02:52:38,829 --> 02:52:41,329
really, it breaks my heart to be honest, you know.

2353
02:52:42,205 --> 02:52:45,784
I can't believe that we're even considering having more car

2354
02:52:45,805 --> 02:52:49,624
washes here when there is a study sussing coming up.

2355
02:52:49,624 --> 02:52:51,624
Where is that? Where are you guys like, can we

2356
02:52:51,624 --> 02:52:54,024
get the ball moving on that please here we have

2357
02:52:54,064 --> 02:52:58,104
another instance where there's a car wash. I looked on

2358
02:52:58,205 --> 02:53:00,904
Google Maps to see where the next one is. There

2359
02:53:00,925 --> 02:53:05,044
is an arco on Hemlock. I called that Arco. The

2360
02:53:05,044 --> 02:53:07,204
worker there answered, I don't know who it is, but

2361
02:53:07,245 --> 02:53:10,584
they did answer the Arcos number and they did tell

2362
02:53:10,584 --> 02:53:12,904
me that they have a car wash there. It might

2363
02:53:12,904 --> 02:53:15,284
be broken right now, but they do have it. And

2364
02:53:15,284 --> 02:53:18,024
that's less than a thousand feet away from this proposal

2365
02:53:18,064 --> 02:53:22,344
site. You are going to stick this project right next

2366
02:53:22,765 --> 02:53:26,744
to apartments and homes within a hundred feet will be

2367
02:53:26,765 --> 02:53:31,365
the closest resident. We are becoming the laughing stock of

2368
02:53:31,466 --> 02:53:35,166
Riverside County. Dame. Thank you.

2369
02:53:42,985 --> 02:53:45,604
Do you have any other speakers? Yes, sir. I'm sorry.

2370
02:53:45,604 --> 02:53:50,951
Having a technical difficulty. Our next speaker is Lisa Ariano

2371
02:53:50,991 --> 02:53:56,280
followed by Tatiana Flores. Thank you. Good evening planning commissioners.

2372
02:53:56,280 --> 02:53:58,920
My name is Lisa Ariano and I'm a 26 year

2373
02:53:58,941 --> 02:54:01,640
resident of Marina Valley and I've lived on the north

2374
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:05,000
side for the last 12 years. The proposed project would

2375
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:07,720
be something that I would pass every day going to

2376
02:54:07,720 --> 02:54:10,600
and from work. And I'm speaking in opposition of this

2377
02:54:10,781 --> 02:54:14,200
project. Over the last couple of months, I have been,

2378
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:19,400
um, meeting many residents, especially in district two and overwhelmingly,

2379
02:54:19,400 --> 02:54:21,640
our residents are saying we have too many car washes

2380
02:54:21,901 --> 02:54:27,240
in marina valley. Marino Valley residents want more useful and

2381
02:54:27,280 --> 02:54:30,200
diverse businesses. I know the last speaker spoke about the

2382
02:54:30,381 --> 02:54:33,480
various car washes in this area, but also somebody mentioned

2383
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:36,520
about a mile and a half up towards hemlock. There

2384
02:54:36,520 --> 02:54:40,440
was a quick quick car wash that was open that

2385
02:54:40,440 --> 02:54:43,200
is large in size comparable to this car wash. So

2386
02:54:43,501 --> 02:54:46,600
I think that with this vacant land, we could be

2387
02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:50,520
using it to support retail dining family services or another

2388
02:54:50,701 --> 02:54:54,120
business meeting an unmet need in the community. I do

2389
02:54:54,221 --> 02:54:57,640
understand that this, uh, area is a community commercial district

2390
02:54:58,301 --> 02:55:01,400
intended to meet residence general shopping needs through a variety

2391
02:55:01,421 --> 02:55:05,800
of businesses and services. And so I, what I didn't

2392
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:08,680
see in the staff report was a market demand for

2393
02:55:08,781 --> 02:55:12,760
a car wash, a commercial saturation analysis. And so my

2394
02:55:12,800 --> 02:55:16,520
main question to the planning commission is what evidence shows

2395
02:55:16,541 --> 02:55:20,520
that another car wash meets an unmet need or contributes

2396
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:24,440
to the variety intended for this commercial corridor. This is

2397
02:55:24,461 --> 02:55:28,040
a large car wash 25 stalls is, is, is a

2398
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:31,560
lot right next door is an apartment complex. And this

2399
02:55:31,560 --> 02:55:35,000
business would basically be open every day. All day, every

2400
02:55:35,000 --> 02:55:37,320
day seven days of the week. And I do understand

2401
02:55:37,421 --> 02:55:41,240
that there's conditions to the project being approved that do

2402
02:55:41,240 --> 02:55:45,540
address the noise, the disruptive activity, the vacuum sounds, the

2403
02:55:45,581 --> 02:55:49,800
vehicles, the disturbances to the surrounding properties. But, and I

2404
02:55:49,800 --> 02:55:51,720
am concerned about all of those, but I'm also concerned

2405
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:54,240
about the traffic. The area that this is going to

2406
02:55:54,541 --> 02:55:57,320
be in is right in front of Home Depot in

2407
02:55:57,341 --> 02:56:00,280
an area where there's numerous traffic accidents that happen annually

2408
02:56:01,021 --> 02:56:04,600
because the stop sign or no light. So I, I

2409
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:07,960
would ask that you consider before even thinking about this

2410
02:56:08,061 --> 02:56:12,840
project that you would consider the current inventory of operating,

2411
02:56:12,840 --> 02:56:16,520
approved or pending car washes, a market demand and saturation

2412
02:56:16,621 --> 02:56:21,160
analysis and clearer evidence about the noise traffic and compatibility

2413
02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:24,360
with the neighboring apartments. Even though a use may be

2414
02:56:24,400 --> 02:56:27,480
permitted, the commission must still determine whether it is the

2415
02:56:27,581 --> 02:56:30,920
right use for this location and whether it advances the

2416
02:56:30,941 --> 02:56:34,760
commercial diversity merino valley residents are asking for. Thank you.

2417
02:56:37,670 --> 02:56:41,939
Thank you. Our next speaker is Tatiana Flores.

2418
02:56:49,244 --> 02:56:51,303
If she's not here, we have no more speaker cards,

2419
02:56:51,303 --> 02:57:01,293
chair. If they're no more speakers,

2420
02:57:01,293 --> 02:57:04,893
we're going to close the public testimony at 852 PM

2421
02:57:06,194 --> 02:57:07,533
and move into deliberations.

2422
02:57:28,053 --> 02:57:32,563
Yeah. Go for it. Okay. Well, the thing is with,

2423
02:57:32,563 --> 02:57:36,883
um, the car washes, if they're already coming down the

2424
02:57:37,064 --> 02:57:40,563
pike and the developer wants to build what he wants

2425
02:57:40,563 --> 02:57:43,603
to build, it meets all the requirements. What people don't

2426
02:57:43,624 --> 02:57:48,963
understand sometimes is that we don't say what goes on

2427
02:57:49,144 --> 02:57:51,923
somebody's property. Just like if you want to build on

2428
02:57:51,923 --> 02:57:55,204
your property, you can build. And if it meets all

2429
02:57:55,244 --> 02:57:58,384
the requirements and you've gone through all the planning, you

2430
02:57:58,384 --> 02:58:01,235
can do it. And the thing is, is that area

2431
02:58:01,336 --> 02:58:07,791
is zoned for that. It meets all the requirements. There

2432
02:58:07,791 --> 02:58:10,111
is a shopping center right next door to it. It's

2433
02:58:10,111 --> 02:58:12,711
been there for many, many years. In that parcel, I

2434
02:58:12,711 --> 02:58:14,671
go buy it every single day because I do live

2435
02:58:14,772 --> 02:58:18,831
in district too. Um, we don't have one like this.

2436
02:58:18,831 --> 02:58:22,751
There's only one other car wash that's even close to

2437
02:58:22,791 --> 02:58:24,911
it. Now we do have a lot of those real

2438
02:58:24,932 --> 02:58:27,991
quick car washes that go through the arco. They go

2439
02:58:27,991 --> 02:58:31,871
through the star mart or go through all those convenience

2440
02:58:32,532 --> 02:58:37,771
stores. But one like this, we really don't have. In

2441
02:58:37,771 --> 02:58:42,916
that area. And I don't really, um, you know, we

2442
02:58:42,916 --> 02:58:45,596
can't say, Oh, you can't build that there. And then

2443
02:58:45,636 --> 02:58:48,970
we get sued. People don't realize that's why we go

2444
02:58:48,970 --> 02:58:52,010
to academies. We go to, uh, learn all the laws

2445
02:58:52,431 --> 02:58:55,690
or regulations. So the city does not get in hot

2446
02:58:55,730 --> 02:58:58,010
water and doesn't get sued because we get some people

2447
02:58:58,050 --> 02:59:01,130
up here that don't know what they're talking about. That's

2448
02:59:01,151 --> 02:59:04,688
what's going to happen. I don't plan on being here

2449
02:59:04,709 --> 02:59:09,035
forever. But I'm just hoping that my predecessor will at

2450
02:59:09,035 --> 02:59:12,075
least know what they're doing when they're sitting up here.

2451
02:59:12,075 --> 02:59:14,555
Because that's the last thing merino belly needs is another

2452
02:59:14,816 --> 02:59:18,526
lawsuit. So people can say, you know, we got a

2453
02:59:18,526 --> 02:59:21,406
lot of car washes. And yes, we do need to

2454
02:59:21,507 --> 02:59:24,366
study it, but we can only say we need to

2455
02:59:24,406 --> 02:59:28,684
do this. We can only present it to staff. But

2456
02:59:28,724 --> 02:59:30,684
it takes time to do that. And some people don't

2457
02:59:30,785 --> 02:59:35,064
realize that. So it's not us. That makes these decisions.

2458
02:59:37,116 --> 02:59:41,538
Dave. And also the commission. I mean, the, the council.

2459
02:59:42,454 --> 02:59:44,528
They make those kind of decisions. We got people that

2460
02:59:44,568 --> 02:59:48,128
we have to answer to. So basically if the developer

2461
02:59:48,149 --> 02:59:52,688
meets all the requirements, we can't just say, well, no

2462
02:59:52,709 --> 02:59:55,899
more call rushes. Just like we couldn't say no more

2463
02:59:56,080 --> 02:59:59,659
pot shops. We could actually maybe say we only want

2464
02:59:59,699 --> 03:00:02,219
so many, but it has to go through channels. Everything

2465
03:00:02,219 --> 03:00:05,734
is a process. And some people can just say, you

2466
03:00:05,734 --> 03:00:08,794
know, but if there's a viable reason, a safety and

2467
03:00:08,794 --> 03:00:14,074
hazard, um, the accidents there. There is up there where

2468
03:00:14,335 --> 03:00:18,474
Jose's was on Ironwood and pigeon pass. Yeah. There's a

2469
03:00:18,474 --> 03:00:21,594
lot of those. I don't see so many coming on

2470
03:00:21,634 --> 03:00:24,374
that area. I don't know. Uh, you know, you can

2471
03:00:24,374 --> 03:00:27,414
check with, uh, the police department on that one. But

2472
03:00:27,414 --> 03:00:29,114
people can come up here and say all kinds of

2473
03:00:29,135 --> 03:00:32,234
things and try to put us on the hot seat,

2474
03:00:32,234 --> 03:00:34,954
but we're here to do a job. And, um, he's

2475
03:00:35,135 --> 03:00:39,125
doing everything that he's supposed to do. And I don't

2476
03:00:39,125 --> 03:00:42,645
really see a viable reason. We don't really have one

2477
03:00:42,666 --> 03:00:45,365
like that. All those other ones aren't even really being

2478
03:00:45,466 --> 03:00:48,685
used anymore. You go to the gas stations. I don't

2479
03:00:48,685 --> 03:00:51,045
see very many cars going through that kind of a

2480
03:00:51,146 --> 03:00:54,488
car wash. Yeah. The quick quack. And then even the

2481
03:00:54,488 --> 03:00:56,588
quick whack wasn't even being used that much up there

2482
03:00:56,628 --> 03:00:59,548
by sprouts. They had to get a big old sign

2483
03:00:59,649 --> 03:01:01,388
and bringing people and say you could have a free

2484
03:01:01,489 --> 03:01:05,388
car wash just to drum up business. So, um, I

2485
03:01:05,409 --> 03:01:08,668
really, really feel like, you know, people are trying to

2486
03:01:09,329 --> 03:01:12,588
think that we're the ones that bring in these projects.

2487
03:01:12,588 --> 03:01:16,428
We don't. But on the other hand, unless we have

2488
03:01:16,609 --> 03:01:21,228
a viable reason to deny a project, we can't do

2489
03:01:21,268 --> 03:01:25,646
it. And I'm just letting the public know that. I'm

2490
03:01:25,686 --> 03:01:28,206
not up here. It's not a popularity contest.

2491
03:01:36,422 --> 03:01:40,321
Uh, gender and I, we do utilize car washes and

2492
03:01:40,321 --> 03:01:42,321
we used to wash it home there. And it's just

2493
03:01:42,742 --> 03:01:45,101
a takes you an hour to get everything out. And

2494
03:01:45,142 --> 03:01:46,801
you can go through the car wash. And now you

2495
03:01:46,841 --> 03:01:48,961
can buy the memberships and makes it a lot easier.

2496
03:01:48,961 --> 03:01:51,881
So I think this is a good, good looking. I

2497
03:01:51,881 --> 03:01:55,281
like the aesthetics of this. It's unbelievable. It's a big,

2498
03:01:55,321 --> 03:01:57,681
big plus for that end of town. So I like

2499
03:01:57,862 --> 03:01:59,761
it a lot. I think we can make it work.

2500
03:02:00,378 --> 03:02:07,276
Thank you. The free enterprise system says if there you

2501
03:02:07,276 --> 03:02:12,209
can still compete. And I think we have 18 car

2502
03:02:12,230 --> 03:02:15,389
washes here in the city. And again, we're growing. The

2503
03:02:15,430 --> 03:02:18,209
more houses, the more apartments we put in. There's probably

2504
03:02:18,230 --> 03:02:20,209
going to be more people coming out here looking to

2505
03:02:20,249 --> 03:02:22,689
put in a car wash. Got to understand that's part

2506
03:02:22,729 --> 03:02:26,369
of the growing. Now I'm not, now again, I absolutely

2507
03:02:26,470 --> 03:02:31,006
agree with, uh, Mr. Joanne over there. The planning commission

2508
03:02:31,046 --> 03:02:33,886
does not go out. Look at an empty plot of

2509
03:02:33,907 --> 03:02:36,046
land, go over and say, Hey, can you come over

2510
03:02:36,046 --> 03:02:40,006
here and buy this? That's not even anywhere near. We

2511
03:02:40,006 --> 03:02:43,646
say, I get it. People want restaurants. People want these

2512
03:02:43,646 --> 03:02:47,566
other types of businesses they want, you know, the diversity

2513
03:02:48,067 --> 03:02:49,886
and this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

2514
03:02:49,886 --> 03:02:52,046
But guess what? We don't go out and say put

2515
03:02:52,086 --> 03:02:54,886
a Ruth Christ here. You know, I need you to

2516
03:02:54,886 --> 03:02:56,926
come out here and spend two million dollars on this

2517
03:02:56,926 --> 03:03:00,526
land and build that restaurant. That's not even anywhere near

2518
03:03:01,507 --> 03:03:05,166
the scope that the planning commission does. And I think

2519
03:03:05,187 --> 03:03:07,726
people think that when, cause I hear them say you

2520
03:03:07,726 --> 03:03:10,126
put this here, you do that. You know, no, no,

2521
03:03:10,126 --> 03:03:12,606
no, we don't put that. There's land out there for

2522
03:03:12,646 --> 03:03:15,493
sale. If you wanted to go out there and buy

2523
03:03:15,533 --> 03:03:17,973
that land and you wanted to put a business down

2524
03:03:18,013 --> 03:03:20,853
there and you wanted to go within the zoning and

2525
03:03:20,874 --> 03:03:23,573
the scope of sequence of the general planning, you're, you're,

2526
03:03:23,613 --> 03:03:25,013
you have every right. You have the freedom to do

2527
03:03:25,053 --> 03:03:31,983
that. You absolutely do. And then of course you have

2528
03:03:31,983 --> 03:03:34,303
to go through all the hoops and jumps and bells

2529
03:03:34,404 --> 03:03:37,743
and whistles and dotting the teas and, you know, or

2530
03:03:37,844 --> 03:03:39,623
dot nines and crossing the tees that you have to

2531
03:03:39,623 --> 03:03:41,983
do. And you have to follow all the regulations and

2532
03:03:42,023 --> 03:03:45,023
laws and everything from California and federal state. You got

2533
03:03:45,023 --> 03:03:46,943
to do all of that. But you have that right

2534
03:03:47,604 --> 03:03:49,343
to go out and buy that piece of land and

2535
03:03:49,383 --> 03:03:53,183
put something there. You have that right. So today, they

2536
03:03:53,183 --> 03:03:56,370
have that right. They can go out there and say,

2537
03:03:56,391 --> 03:03:58,210
you know what? I think I can take a chance

2538
03:03:58,471 --> 03:04:00,930
with this car wash. I know the other car washes

2539
03:04:00,930 --> 03:04:03,730
out here, but I think mine's the best. And I

2540
03:04:03,730 --> 03:04:05,650
think I'm going to make money on this when people

2541
03:04:05,650 --> 03:04:09,090
get the word. I said, wow, all electric. Wow. That's

2542
03:04:09,130 --> 03:04:12,690
fantastic. I haven't heard that one yet, you know, all

2543
03:04:12,730 --> 03:04:15,090
electric car wash. Wow. You know, you hear the big

2544
03:04:15,111 --> 03:04:17,710
motors going on and this and that. And, you know,

2545
03:04:17,710 --> 03:04:20,210
you got recycled water. I mean, I don't get it.

2546
03:04:21,051 --> 03:04:23,830
Think about it. The more car washers we put in

2547
03:04:24,011 --> 03:04:27,430
the city, the less pollution we're putting in the gutters.

2548
03:04:28,568 --> 03:04:31,987
I don't understand that. Yeah. That's absolutely true. We got

2549
03:04:32,008 --> 03:04:34,707
car washes and we recycle the water. Now let's take

2550
03:04:34,728 --> 03:04:37,187
all the car washes out of the city and let's

2551
03:04:37,227 --> 03:04:39,667
put the soap and all the pollutants in the gutters

2552
03:04:39,707 --> 03:04:42,147
and stuff like that. That's the alternative that we're thinking.

2553
03:04:42,713 --> 03:04:47,811
No, that's awful. That would be bad. Let's put recycled

2554
03:04:47,811 --> 03:04:51,631
water in and let's put some environmental friendly, you know,

2555
03:04:52,152 --> 03:04:55,891
uh, reclaimed water. Let's do that. That sounds like an

2556
03:04:55,912 --> 03:05:00,902
environmental. It's like, Hey, that's a great thing. That's fantastic.

2557
03:05:00,902 --> 03:05:04,742
Guess what? We're, we're, we're lessing the carbon footprint and

2558
03:05:04,742 --> 03:05:08,662
we're in a valley. You would think that what happened.

2559
03:05:08,662 --> 03:05:13,222
Absolutely. Um, anyway, I'm for it. I love the fact

2560
03:05:13,243 --> 03:05:17,302
that Carlos is sitting right there. He's from Marina Valley.

2561
03:05:17,302 --> 03:05:19,382
I love the fact that the owner's not too far

2562
03:05:19,403 --> 03:05:25,636
away. He's local. That's what we're looking for. Yeah, absolutely.

2563
03:05:25,657 --> 03:05:28,676
Let's Carlos. Like just, you know, I hope your wife

2564
03:05:28,857 --> 03:05:33,556
don't make it work too hard. You know, so I'm

2565
03:05:33,577 --> 03:05:36,036
for it. I don't know anybody else want to. I

2566
03:05:36,036 --> 03:05:40,676
don't, I would actually act like to add. I've lived

2567
03:05:40,697 --> 03:05:44,436
in the city for 40 years. And that I was

2568
03:05:44,457 --> 03:05:46,676
wondering what was going to go there because it's been

2569
03:05:47,417 --> 03:05:53,639
vacant for longer than that. And we can't really have

2570
03:05:53,679 --> 03:05:57,539
another restaurant because that would be even more traffic. Um,

2571
03:05:57,580 --> 03:06:00,599
we got the shopping center right next door. I mean.

2572
03:06:01,616 --> 03:06:03,675
I was afraid of storage was going to go in

2573
03:06:03,675 --> 03:06:07,982
there. I really was. I didn't think we needed another

2574
03:06:08,083 --> 03:06:13,515
storage. But, um. I'm just glad something is going there

2575
03:06:14,096 --> 03:06:16,875
because we've got a lot of commercial around there and

2576
03:06:16,875 --> 03:06:18,795
we've got a lot of businesses like the girl said

2577
03:06:18,896 --> 03:06:23,355
that we've got Home Depot. They're going 24 seven practically,

2578
03:06:23,355 --> 03:06:28,351
you know, from morning to night. But they've got their

2579
03:06:28,391 --> 03:06:31,791
area pretty well where everybody can go in and out.

2580
03:06:32,996 --> 03:06:36,415
So I think it's a good, it's a good fit

2581
03:06:36,455 --> 03:06:40,539
for what is going to be going in there. And

2582
03:06:40,579 --> 03:06:43,339
it isn't like every other car wash. It just isn't.

2583
03:06:46,313 --> 03:06:55,702
Motion. Second. I'm not even on the page here. There

2584
03:06:55,742 --> 03:07:00,136
we go. All right. I'd like to recommend that the

2585
03:07:00,237 --> 03:07:07,576
planning commission adopt resolution 2026 - 2 and approving plot

2586
03:07:07,757 --> 03:07:14,175
plan PEN 22 - 0215. I believe that suffices. And

2587
03:07:14,215 --> 03:07:20,415
also to include, um, steps, modification to conditioned. Ah, and

2588
03:07:20,455 --> 03:07:29,023
to include SAS condition to modify. Modification to conditions. Modification

2589
03:07:29,124 --> 03:07:31,949
to conditions. Correct. That works for me. And I'll second.

2590
03:07:54,870 --> 03:07:57,489
Okay. The motion does carry. Do we have a staff

2591
03:07:57,590 --> 03:08:03,805
wrap up. So we do chair. The motion passes 30,

2592
03:08:03,805 --> 03:08:06,285
the project is approved. There is now a 10 day

2593
03:08:06,325 --> 03:08:09,485
appeal period. Any person who wishes to appeal this project

2594
03:08:10,146 --> 03:08:13,485
must have submit an appeal application. And pay the required

2595
03:08:13,666 --> 03:08:17,565
fee to the community development department within 10 calendar days

2596
03:08:17,746 --> 03:08:21,283
of this hearing. Thank you. Thank you. All right. The

2597
03:08:21,323 --> 03:08:24,223
next item on the agenda is other commissioner business. And

2598
03:08:24,223 --> 03:08:29,043
we don't have any, um, the next item is staff

2599
03:08:29,043 --> 03:08:32,163
comments. Do we have any staff comments? No staff comments.

2600
03:08:32,163 --> 03:08:36,578
Thank you. Really. Looking forward to those. All right. The

2601
03:08:36,599 --> 03:08:41,378
next item on the agenda is planning commissioner comments under

2602
03:08:41,799 --> 03:08:45,138
the items of preview of the planning commission. Do we

2603
03:08:45,138 --> 03:08:52,716
have any planning commissioner comments. It means that it has

2604
03:08:52,756 --> 03:08:58,765
to be within the scope of what we do. Okay.

2605
03:09:00,438 --> 03:09:03,137
I think you had one for Steve over there from

2606
03:09:03,398 --> 03:09:06,657
Palm Springs. We'll talk to them later about that. I

2607
03:09:06,657 --> 03:09:08,817
talked to him later. All right. So at this time

2608
03:09:09,158 --> 03:09:12,737
the planning commission is adjourned at 904 p. m. to

2609
03:09:12,737 --> 03:09:16,257
our next regular meeting on September 10th, 2026 at 6

2610
03:09:16,257 --> 03:09:16,377
p. m.