[5:50] All right, welcome everyone to our planning commission meeting of
[5:54] the city of Marino Valley. Nice building. This is nice.
[5:59] I like this, okay. Now call this meeting to order
[6:04] at exactly 601 p. m. I invite Commissioner Stephan and
[6:09] lead us into Pledge of Allegiance. Right hand over your
[6:15] heart, please begin. And to the Republic for which his
[6:24] hands, one nation, under God, indivisible. We lift in justice
[6:29] for all. Of us. Thank you. Can we have a
[6:38] roll call, please? Yes, Chair. Commissioner Zites is absent tonight.
[6:43] Commissioner Taylor is also absent tonight. Commissioner Stefan. Present. Vice
[6:49] chair Baker. Here. Chairperson Djeni. Here. All right. Maybe we
[6:57] have a request for Commissioner Taylor's and commissioners likes for
[7:02] an excuse absence. So do we have a motion. All
[7:08] motion to excuse absences. I'll second. Can we have a
[7:12] vote? We'll do a roll call vote, chair. Commissioner Stefan.
[7:16] Yes. Vice Chair Baker? Yes. Chairpersoned? Yes. Motion carries. Okay,
[7:24] well now move on to the approval of agenda. Do
[7:27] I have a motion and a second for the approval
[7:29] of the agenda. Our move that we accept the agenda
[7:33] submitted. I'll second. Okay. Well.
[7:48] The motion does carry. All right, before we hear public
[7:58] comments this evening, I ask and encourage everyone participating to
[8:02] keep their comments respectful towards others, especially towards individual speaking.
[8:09] I embrace the support the First Amendment right to free
[8:11] speech, including everyone's right to speak at this meeting and
[8:15] share their views about issues concerning our city. Any person
[8:20] wishing to speak either under the public comment section of
[8:22] the agenda, schedule items or public hearings, must fill out
[8:27] a request to speak form available at the door. The
[8:31] completed form must be submitted to the Secretary Prior to
[8:33] the end of the public comment period. During the public
[8:37] comment period for each item, including items not on the
[8:41] agenda, each member of the public who has signed up
[8:44] to speak will have a maximum of three minutes to
[8:47] speak. The public must direct their comments to the chairperson
[8:52] of the commission. All right, let's move into public comments
[8:59] on any item not on the agenda. Are there any
[9:03] speakers? Yes, Chair, we personally have three speaker cards. Our
[9:07] first speaker is Ishmael Gonzalez, followed by Fred Bunuelos, then
[9:11] followed by Christopher Bacca.
[9:22] Good evening. Planning Commission, city staff, everybody here in the
[9:26] audience. And at home watching. My name is Osmo Gonzalez.
[9:30] I reside in District 2, and I have resided in
[9:33] Miranda Valley for the last 20 or so years. At
[9:37] the last previous Planning Commission meetings, I've brought up the
[9:41] weather. I'm gonna do so again. Uh, at a levely,
[9:47] I'm gonna go ahead and call it climate watch as
[9:50] a little fun segment. Most of you have already heard
[9:52] this on the news or maybe from me in the
[9:55] past. But climate change is real. It's happening to us
[9:58] right now as we speak. Uh, we are pretty much
[10:02] past beyond the point of debate. And we should be
[10:06] approaching this concern with an adaptive approach and resiliency in
[10:13] mind. Just, uh, yesterday, or maybe the day before 100
[10:18] to maybe a thousand people died in Tibet, uh, in
[10:23] China, because a huge, massive glacier, broke off, uh, created
[10:28] a five point magnitude earthquake. And then had a flash
[10:35] flood tear apart. Tens of bridges in that community. It
[10:41] was with no warning. And that's what it looks like
[10:45] every day. I see a meme always coming up. Climate
[10:50] change is coming to you until you're the one recording
[10:54] the video. Right? Um. I want to mention this important
[11:00] fact that I found on E, uh, MWD, where we
[11:06] get, or most of our waterfront, they describe on their
[11:10] website that we get approaching Deadpool. I don't know if
[11:15] you guys know this. Uh, this week, it's a hundred
[11:19] degrees, maybe 110. People are suffering. And it is because
[11:25] of the actions of this government and other governments all
[11:29] around us at every level, having poor management decisions. Catering
[11:35] to corporations who pollute our environment with no regard for
[11:39] the people that live in those communities. Here, it is
[11:42] manifested by warehouses. It is manifested by what we will
[11:47] talk about later today. Refueling stations. I appreciate the sentiment
[11:52] that is written in the 2040 general plan. There is
[11:56] an effort, although on paper to transition to a green
[12:01] sustainable future. But the actions of this city continue to
[12:06] go against that. How long do we have to suffer.
[12:11] I know in my lifetime, every summer has been getting
[12:14] hotter and hotter. You guys have lived longer than I
[12:18] have. Please do something about it. Thank you. Thank you.
[12:26] Our next speaker is Fred Bonuelo's followed by Christopher Bacca.
[12:38] Hello everyone. Um, I recently saw that our council meetings,
[12:44] they are bringing in these weapons detection devices. So I'm
[12:48] wondering if you guys are getting them here. It's a
[12:51] pilot program. Uh, if you do, get them here. I
[12:55] would suggest that we have an arm trained good guy
[12:57] with a gun to take out the threat. Uh, when
[13:00] I came out to the meeting last time. Uh, motion
[13:04] detector went off with one of our candidates. It was
[13:07] kind of funny. I thought, but, uh, that would have
[13:12] been a bad guy with a gun. Who's going to
[13:13] take that person out. You know, you have deputies that
[13:16] are inside of here, but the side that was manning
[13:19] that weapons detection device. I went to city hall to,
[13:22] uh, kind of check it out over there. And the
[13:25] little issue with our security team that was there, uh,
[13:29] you can see the issue that I had with them
[13:30] later. We have, uh, virtual for our city council. So
[13:38] I'm hoping that we can do it here for the
[13:40] council. I mean, the commission meetings here, uh, the equipment's
[13:45] here. It'll put our media time media team to do
[13:48] more stuff, but it's, we need that, you know, the
[13:51] times where people can't make it here. And I hope
[13:53] we have the option to call in and go Zoom.
[13:57] Uh, the other thing is, uh, the chairperson, Alvin, Dijonay,
[14:04] I think you made a comment and other meeting about
[14:06] parking around schools during school times where it's, it can
[14:09] be a problem. Um, I have an issue with people
[14:15] parking in bike lanes. It's against the law. And we
[14:19] need protected bike lanes. I'm a bike rider now. If
[14:24] this is a planning commission and the people in here
[14:26] that plan things, let's plan to make the parking lots
[14:31] where people can get in and out of there quickly.
[14:33] Let's plan it where everybody's happy. So I'm bringing that
[14:37] to you guys planning commission. Make it so everybody's happy.
[14:41] But these, these people that are parking illegally in the
[14:43] bike lanes after school, it's, it's ridiculous. It needs to
[14:46] be fixed. I think that's it guys. Thanks. Thank you.
[14:54] Our next speaker is Christopher Bacca. Good evening community and
[15:00] officials. I'm here on behalf of myself as a private
[15:04] citizen. And I just want to point out that here
[15:07] we are in the middle of the election season. And
[15:12] I just want to point out that, uh, our usual,
[15:15] um, corrupt developer here, Highland Fairview is already interfering in
[15:20] the elections. We have several kind of, uh, candidates up
[15:23] here on the city console. I mean, while the city
[15:26] console, of course, and there's, um, two here on the
[15:30] planning commission that I'm running for office. And I ask
[15:32] you why is Highland Fairview reaching out to ask for,
[15:41] if, uh, if, if you want monetary donations for your
[15:44] campaign, um, they're in the middle of bringing out, um.
[15:52] Agreements or wanting the city to create agreements for them
[15:56] for the Gilman Springs project that is going to be
[15:59] brought onto you. Um, if he's interfering in the elections,
[16:04] why is he bringing out these projects that he can't
[16:07] do that? That's illegal. Uh, he's hiding behind LLCs and
[16:12] lobbyists to do the work with our corrupt staff here,
[16:17] which, uh, includes our attorney and our city manager who
[16:20] capitulate for highland fair view. And they do, they bent
[16:24] over backwards for whatever edel benz EV wants. And which
[16:29] is full corruption. And then we have, uh, staff that
[16:33] overlook these things and it starts here. They pack the
[16:38] agenda with nonsense unknowingly what you're doing. Uh, I believe
[16:42] some of you commissioners don't do your job diligently and
[16:46] pass these issues without knowing what you're passing, which started
[16:50] illegally with a MOU with the Gilman Springs project. That
[16:55] was an illegal under the table agreement. And it's going
[16:58] to continue. And we're going to see something come up
[17:02] to the city so that, uh, the city can pay
[17:05] for his infrastructure. That's all it's about. All these projects,
[17:09] Aqua Balland, um, real logistics center. Now the Gilman Springs
[17:14] project. All of those are farces. They're never going to
[17:17] get built. But the city is pouring money into them
[17:21] in infrastructure when he is supposed to be paying for
[17:24] this. But yet the taxpayer is paying for this by
[17:27] because the city are corrupt city staff again, uh, for
[17:31] whatever reasons they want to continue putting these fake, um,
[17:35] developments on the books. Maybe it makes a city look
[17:38] good. It's like, Oh, wow. They're top rated because they
[17:41] have all this development coming in and they know very
[17:44] well. You staff know very well that these projects are
[17:49] bullshit. So you got to stop and we got to
[17:53] clean up this city hall and we got to clean
[17:56] up the staff and that will happen. And several of
[17:59] you officials. Thank you. Our next speaker is Nikita Wilson
[18:07] followed by Tatiana Flores. Good evening everyone. My name is
[18:14] Nikita Wilson of course. She just said that. And tonight
[18:16] my comments are of my own. And now that we're
[18:19] going to be talking about this later in, um, the
[18:23] meeting, but I just want to address it because I
[18:26] don't want to talk about a specific item. So my
[18:30] thing is how many gas stations is enough. Oh my
[18:36] goodness. When does development become over concentration. I mean, just
[18:42] look at Sonny Meat Boulevard at 23021 Sonny Me Boulevard.
[18:47] We have a gas station. 23050 centimeter boulevard. We have
[18:51] a gas station plus a car wash at 23550 sending
[18:55] me boulevard. We have a car wash at 23960 sunny
[18:59] me boulevard. We have another car wash at 23991 sunny
[19:03] made boulevard a gas station 24055 sunny meat boulevard at
[19:08] car wash 24840 sunny meat boulevard gas station and a
[19:14] car wash two four nine. I think I said that
[19:16] one. I'm not going to double that one, but you
[19:18] get where I'm going. We have eight sites. And it's
[19:21] not even within a mouth. We have A sites one
[19:25] corridor. Moore is not always development. So my question is
[19:30] at one point at what point does the city stop
[19:33] approving more of the same and start asking what do
[19:37] our community actually need. We don't need more car washes.
[19:42] Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Tatiana Flores.
[19:55] Good evening planning commission and everyone listening here in person
[19:59] and online. Um, I wanted to take some time today
[20:03] to talk about a bill that's being proposed right now,
[20:08] um, for the state. It's AB 1804. And it's about
[20:13] keeping California state parks accessible to everyone. So I wanted
[20:17] to share that last week on Friday. I had the
[20:20] day off cause I was working Saturday at an event
[20:23] that I actually shared here last time. And I actually
[20:27] went to the library on all the soundre and was
[20:29] able to get a pass to go to state parks
[20:32] for free. And this bill is essentially trying to secure
[20:36] this, um, future for good to ensure that, you know,
[20:42] residents have the opportunity to go to state parks without
[20:45] having to pay. And it's a good program, you know.
[20:49] I always advocate for having these resources, um, I know
[20:54] the Latino community oftentimes doesn't actually enjoy the outdoors as
[20:58] much as they should due to like, like a resources.
[21:02] Also, you know, growing up in families that are always
[21:05] working. So I can speak for myself and say like,
[21:08] for example, I've never even been to Joshua tree, even
[21:10] though it's like right here, you know, um, not too
[21:13] far. So just wanted to bring that out there. Um,
[21:17] or bring this up and encourage people to use these
[21:20] resources that are available in the library, but also to
[21:24] encourage people to, you know, reach out to their representatives
[21:28] and tell them to support this bill. Um, urge, you
[21:31] know, governor, um, the governor to, you know, support this
[21:36] as well. Um, so yeah, everyone go to Lake Paris,
[21:40] you know, take a stroll and enjoy it. Yeah. Thank
[21:44] you. Thank you. Do we have any of our speakers?
[21:51] We have no more speaker cards, sir. Okay. All right.
[21:58] The next item on the agenda is approval of the
[22:01] consent calendar. Items listed under the consent calendar are consented
[22:06] to be routine and non - controversial. And may be
[22:09] enacted by a motion unless the memoir of the commission
[22:11] request that the item be removed for separate action. Items
[22:16] with drawn for report or discussion will be held before
[22:20] action on the consent calendar. Questions or comments from the
[22:24] public on the consent calendar. Matter must pretend. Say that.
[22:29] Must pertain to the subject matter under consideration. At this
[22:33] time with a commissioner like to pull an item from
[22:36] the consent calendar for separate vote. Okay. Take that as
[22:43] a bell. Uh, do we have any public calendar public
[22:47] comments for items on the consent calendar. We have no
[22:51] speaker cards. You have a motion second to approve the
[22:55] consent calendar. Okay. I'll move that we accept the, um,
[22:59] consent calendar submitted. All second.
[23:13] All right. The motion does carry. Next item on the
[23:19] agenda is a non public hearing items. And at this
[23:22] time, we don't have any. So let's move right into
[23:26] the public hearing items. The next item on the agenda
[23:29] is public hearing item number one. That is a plot
[23:34] plan PN 22 - 0250. That's in district one. Do
[23:40] we have a staff report. Thank you, Chair. Regine Kennedy,
[23:46] Principal Planner. I will be giving the staff report this
[23:49] evening. Miedia can we pull up the
[23:59] presentation. Thank you. The project before you this evening is
[24:04] a request for a consideration for a plot plan for
[24:09] a Penske truck rental and sales fuel station and maintenance
[24:14] facility. As a reminder, staff has reviewed the project for
[24:21] consistency with the development standards and provisions set forth in
[24:25] the city's municipal code. The project has objectively met the
[24:29] requirements set forth in the municipal code and has been
[24:33] duly noticed for a public hearing where it has been
[24:36] brought to you for your consideration today. The project site
[24:45] is relatively flat in topography and consist of eight contiguous
[24:49] parcels, totaling 9. 1 acres. The project site is bounded
[24:54] to the west by the city of Riverside and the
[24:57] old 215 frontage. And to the north by Alessandro Boulevard.
[25:03] Surrounding land uses include a warehouse facility to the west
[25:08] across old 215 furniture. Industrial uses to the south and
[25:13] east. A vehicle repair facility in an office to the
[25:16] north and commercial uses and illegal non - conforming residential
[25:21] uses across Alessandro Boulevard. The site is zoned business park
[25:26] BP, which allows by right the development and operation of
[25:31] eight truck sales leasing service and fueling facility subject to
[25:35] a plot plan. The business park district is intended to
[25:40] provide light industrial research and development office - based firms
[25:45] and limited supportive commercial retails in an attractive and pleasant
[25:49] working environment. The project consists of two buildings and a
[25:56] fueling island for Penske customers only. The project provides 50
[26:02] parking spaces, 157 trucks spaces and 32 trailer spaces. The
[26:09] project also provides 10 electric vehicle automobile parking spaces and
[26:16] 20 electric vehicle EV truck parking spaces. Access to the
[26:20] project site will be from OneDrivery on Alessandra Boulevard and
[26:25] two driveways off of old 215 frontage road. The project
[26:31] has been designed to provide safe, efficient, and organized circulation
[26:36] for both vehicles. And pedestrians. The facility will operate Monday
[26:41] through Friday from 6 a. m. to midnight. Saturday from
[26:45] 7 a. m. to 4 p. m. I'm sorry, Saturday
[26:49] from 7 a. m. to 4 p. m. and Sunday
[26:52] from 7 a. m. to noon. The proposed buildings feature
[27:01] contemporary design using a combination of materials and colors that
[27:05] are consistent with penskis, corporate branding. Building one located in
[27:10] the central part of the project site, will include office
[27:13] space, wash, and service bays, totaling approximately 19, 200 square
[27:19] feet of building area. Maintenance fueling and washing of Penske
[27:24] vehicles would not be available to the general public. Two
[27:34] located in the northern part of the project site near
[27:36] the entrance will include a rental and sales office approximately
[27:41] 1792 square feet. The fuel island consists of two lane
[27:46] fuel island for gasoline. Diesel and diesel exhaust fluid, which
[27:51] will be located in the north central part of the
[27:53] project site. Fueling service will be limited to Penske customers
[27:58] only. The project includes comprehensive landscaping across the project site.
[28:07] And an end is intended to enhance the projects overall
[28:10] character while ensuring compliance with the city's municipal codes landscaping
[28:16] requirements. There will also be perimeter fencing and decorative block
[28:22] walls on all sides of the project site for added
[28:25] security and screening of trucks. An initial study was prepared
[28:33] by ultra systems, environmental ink and compliance with the California
[28:38] environmental quality, CEQA, and the SQL guidelines. The 30 day
[28:43] public comment period for the initial study mitigated negative declaration,
[28:48] also known as ISMND began on March 15, 2024 and
[28:54] concluded on April 15, 2024. Seven comment letters were received
[28:59] in response to the ISMND and mitigation measures were recommended
[29:03] for the project, which are summarized in the mitigation monitoring
[29:07] and reporting program, also known as MMRP. The MMRP includes
[29:12] mitigation for biological resources, cultural resources. Geology and soils, hazardous
[29:19] materials, and tribal cultural resources. The project also went through
[29:24] an ALUC review where a consistent determination was found. As
[29:30] a condition of approval, the project is required to prepare
[29:33] a final determination of biologically equivalent or superior preservation, also
[29:40] known as a DBESP prior to the issuance of a
[29:44] grading permit. The proposed project complies with section 9. 02.
[29:52] 070 plot plan and all applicable development standards of the
[29:57] zoning code. The projects enhanced building site and landscaping design
[30:02] enhances the built environment consistent with the goals of the
[30:05] general plan's land use element. Would the recommended conditions of
[30:09] approval staff is recommending that the planning commission adopt resolution
[30:15] number 2026 - 28, adopting the ISMND and the MMRP,
[30:21] and also adopt resolution number 2026 - 29 approving the
[30:26] plot plan subject to the attached conditions of approval. This
[30:31] concludes staff's presentation. I'm available for any questions. The applicant
[30:36] team and their environmental consultant is also available for questions.
[30:41] Thank you. Thank you. How many trucks did you say
[30:45] we're going to be on site. So there will be
[30:50] 157 trucks spaces. Are they all going to be diesel
[30:58] and fossil fuel. Gas. Is there, are there any other
[31:04] trucks. Zero emission. I would like to invite the applicant
[31:09] who can talk more about that. Well, before the applicant
[31:17] comes up, is there any more questions for staff for
[31:20] commissioners. Wait, Joanne looks like she might have another. And
[31:30] it's zoned for, what did you say the zoning was
[31:32] on there? Business part. It's business park, correct. And because
[31:37] when you were going through it. It said it was
[31:43] kind of be something that the public would be able
[31:45] to utilize and not just, I guess, not just for
[31:49] trucks per se. It would. So, so this facility would
[31:53] not be open to the general public. It's limited to
[31:58] the, um, customers that Penske is serving. Okay. But when
[32:04] you were reading the description of that classification, it kind
[32:09] of said that it was kind of something that maybe
[32:11] the general public or for residents. That's kind of what
[32:15] I got at the take of it. Our residents aren't
[32:22] going to be able to really utilize it that much?
[32:24] Is that what? I believe you might be referring to
[32:26] the statement, um, about the intent of the BP district.
[32:32] And there wasn't anything in my statement that referred to
[32:35] the general public. I did say that, um, the BP
[32:39] district would or is intended to provide limited, supportive commercial
[32:44] uses in an attractive and pleasant working environment. It did
[32:48] not refer to, um, specifically for the general public. Okay.
[32:53] Maybe I misunderstood. I'm sorry. Any other questions? No.
[33:03] Thank you. All right. With the, uh, applicant.
[33:14] Good evening chair. Good evening. Planning commissioners. My name is
[33:18] Mike Barnes. I'm the director of facilities for Penske Trekkleesey,
[33:22] Western region. I'm presenting to you our project that we
[33:26] wish to develop on the corner of two fifth old
[33:29] brute 215 and Alessandra Boulevard. We are very excited to
[33:34] work with the city on this project at even more
[33:36] excited to work with the community. So looking forward to
[33:39] the feedback you have and, uh, share the services and
[33:43] the specifics of the project as well. Roger Penske, obviously
[33:52] the owner of Penske Truckley seeing has many variable different
[33:57] businesses out there, some of which, uh, really adapt and
[34:01] focus on the local communities he establishes Ocean. And I
[34:05] want to hit on a couple of those. Obviously, uh,
[34:07] the middle one here, the professional sports is really a
[34:10] national international kind of business that he runs. Um, the
[34:16] top one is the corporation is really built on these
[34:19] three different core businesses. The first one is retail automotive.
[34:24] Penskey automotive is a bunch of car dealerships throughout the
[34:28] country. You know, from, from Northern America. And very successful
[34:34] company that, uh, really involves the community. The next one
[34:38] over Penske Motor Group is really focused on longer Toyota
[34:43] Lex longo Lexus. Those are out of Il Monte. And
[34:47] a lot of the business is created from the local
[34:49] communities in there as well. The last one is, you
[34:54] know, the transportation solutions. And that's where I'm going to
[34:57] kind of really focus my presentation tonight on. We offer
[35:05] four different services to our structure, our businesses at this
[35:09] location. We do truck rental. We do full service leasing.
[35:13] We do a contract maintenance. And we also sell use
[35:17] trucks. Truck rental is obviously what, what you see is,
[35:21] is what we offer. We offer moving trucks to local
[35:24] consumers, but more importantly, um, we offer that option to
[35:31] consumers that use our trucks, but also in the commercial
[35:34] businesses as well. We are open to the public for
[35:37] rental. Okay. So we would, our typical customer for renting
[35:42] a truck. Would be the parents taking their daughter, you
[35:45] know, out of state to college. Uh, typical customer for
[35:50] the, uh, for the commercial business is in a small
[35:54] entrepreneur, um, somebody who doesn't have the capital to buy
[35:59] trucks and utilize his own trucks. They use our trucks
[36:02] for a small business person building millwork cabinets maybe for
[36:07] a restaurant. Something to that aspect. Um, next one is
[36:12] full service leasing. This is, um, really an option for
[36:16] a benefit for a lot of businesses in the local
[36:20] community and are outside the community that really don't have
[36:24] their own trucks, but we offer them a lease program.
[36:28] Typically about a five to seven year program. We really
[36:31] do a full a la carte process with them. We
[36:34] will, we'll, uh, get them set up on a truck.
[36:37] Maybe more than one or two trucks. Um, they will
[36:41] add, uh, we'll add maintenance to that truck, uh, we'll
[36:45] add the, we'll help them with the tags, the licensing
[36:47] of those trucks. We really take a lot of the
[36:51] items that they, as an entrepreneur, as an owner of
[36:54] a truck, away from them, let them focus on their
[36:56] businesses. The business at hand. Contract maintenance is another one.
[37:03] Difference there is we might be servicing trucks that are
[37:06] not our trucks that were releasing, but their trucks that
[37:11] they own, they just don't have the capacity to service
[37:13] their own trucks. So they rely on companies like us
[37:16] to service their trucks in that, in that area. We
[37:20] still offer a lot of benefits 24 seven, uh, repair
[37:24] service. If they're broken down somewhere, we can get to
[37:26] them if they can't make it to our shop to
[37:28] repair those. Um, a lot of benefits there is in
[37:32] that contract maintenance, uh, program. First service leasing, when a
[37:36] full service leasing, that I mentioned that prior to this,
[37:39] um, when the term ends on a full service release,
[37:43] um, obviously the customer, we hope they lease more tractors
[37:47] or more trucks from us. When those trucks come back
[37:50] into our circulation, we might decide to wholesale those out
[37:55] or auction them off. Or we might just try to
[37:57] sell those ourselves on our lot. That's where you get
[38:00] the last used truck portion of this. Now, obviously when
[38:04] we sell trucks through our dealerships, our maintenance facilities, a
[38:10] tax revenue based out of that, that helps the city.
[38:17] Um, I wanted to kind of get into specifics on
[38:20] the servicing of, uh, the trucks at our shop. We
[38:25] service Penske trucks only. We are not open to the
[38:28] public. Rental is obviously open to the public. We consumer
[38:32] and the commercial customer, um, we set a contract up,
[38:37] like I mentioned, uh, in the previous slide with our
[38:40] customers. So you're not getting, you know, traffic coming off
[38:44] the street, uh, to park on a truck, uh, cause
[38:49] we, we, they have to sign up with us. We
[38:53] don't do heavy duty repairs in our shops. A lot
[38:56] of this is really all of this is based on
[38:59] preventative maintenance. A big driver of this is our customer's
[39:04] uptime. Uptime on a truck. The more, uh, you know,
[39:08] uptime weekend have our customers the better off they are.
[39:12] So we were very big on the preventative maintenance. We
[39:16] do a lot of engine tune - ups, clutch repairs,
[39:19] tire changes and washes. We're not doing a engine overhaul.
[39:24] We're not dropping a transmission. Those are not what we're
[39:26] doing on site. We're not a truck stop. Obviously we
[39:33] limited our, uh, our traffic coming in. Everything's designed on
[39:38] an appointment program. We might have a furniture delivery company
[39:43] that use at least as our trucks come in. He
[39:46] might not need that truck for two or three or
[39:48] four more days. We might have another truck that is,
[39:51] uh, delivering essential goods to a medical clinic of what
[39:56] they need that truck. That might take supersede, the time
[40:00] frame to get that truck service, while the other one
[40:02] maybe has a little bit more time. Typical turnaround on
[40:06] a, on a preventative maintenance truck is about a day.
[40:10] So our, our goal is to get the truck in,
[40:13] get them into the service base, service that truck. And
[40:17] again, uptime. Get that truck back to the owner or
[40:19] the leaser. Lycée and then get it back on the
[40:22] road so they can deliver the essential goods or the
[40:25] services to the local community. Um, another portion of this
[40:31] location will include, we mentioned it by regime and the
[40:36] staff is zero emissions trucks. Obviously with Title 24, we
[40:40] have a responsibility to put in level two chargers. We're
[40:46] also putting in DC fast charging for 20 stalls. We
[40:51] know this is coming. We believe in it. We support
[40:54] the EV program. Um, and it's a great thing to,
[40:58] you know, zero missions with a fleet. It's better than
[41:00] the environment. A lot of benefits to that. So this,
[41:03] this location will have the most modern infrastructure for DC
[41:09] fast charging. Excuse me. Again, this is not open to
[41:14] the public. It's just our customers. We sign up. We
[41:17] also fuel. We fuel trucks here. That's not open to
[41:23] the public either. It's just to our customers. Um. We,
[41:28] our fuel programs are fuel systems. We rank above and
[41:32] beyond the average standards. We obviously know the fire codes,
[41:38] the CUPA requirements. We honor those. Um, again, it's very,
[41:45] uh, process is very, uh, easy to work with this
[41:49] as far as our customers. We have dedicated employees working
[41:52] on the fuel islands that they all they do is
[41:55] service that truck for fueling. We do not have the
[41:58] driver pull up and feel himself. This really helps with
[42:03] uptime. They're in and out. And really eliminates any possible
[42:07] spills and drips and whatnot on this lab because of
[42:11] the person who's doing that day in day in and
[42:14] day out. Again, it's not over to the public. The
[42:19] rental building I mentioned, um, consumer, not really a big
[42:24] portion of our business. It's really this smaller entrepreneur. The
[42:30] business person that again, can't afford, um, his own trucks.
[42:35] He's using our trucks for his, his business. I kind
[42:41] of mentioned earlier, the customers that we focus on really
[42:44] with the, with the consumer rental. So. Um, I want
[42:50] to get into the site and kind of, um, you
[42:53] saw some staff what the current condition of the property
[42:56] looks like today. This is really a site plan of
[42:59] what the layout's going to look. Um, staff mentioned building
[43:04] one, building two. I'll kind of go into that further,
[43:07] um, when we get into the renderings I brought. Um,
[43:11] if you look at the very top, there's a bunch
[43:12] of stalls up there that are empty. That's all going
[43:15] to be our zero emissions tractors dedicated for EV tractors.
[43:20] Really medium duty and heavy duty trucks. We also service
[43:24] a smaller, small duty truck for EV as well. This
[43:32] is a rendering that we had put together based on
[43:35] our plans. Um, I kind of want to explain the
[43:38] process on the layout of the property, um, if you
[43:42] look at the far right, you're going to see more
[43:44] like a medium and heavy duty trucks. Those are the
[43:47] ones I mentioned earlier that might sit for two, maybe
[43:50] one day. Could be two, three, four, five days until
[43:53] they get to them. Because they are part there more
[43:56] than 24 hours. We are putting up a 14 foot
[44:00] screen wall. To, you know, basically the camouflage, those trucks,
[44:05] whether it be in part. Again, they're not sitting there
[44:07] long term, but we want to make sure that they're
[44:10] screened to the public for to honor the code and
[44:14] the planning requirements. If you look in the middle, you're
[44:18] going to see a couple of smaller trucks, parking lots
[44:20] with smaller trucks. Those are turning a lot faster. That
[44:23] might be a little bit of overflow for some rental
[44:25] fleet. Or those are trucks that would really be picked
[44:27] up for the customer, the consumer to pick up that
[44:30] day. Um, I kind of like showing this slide for
[44:34] a couple of reasons. You'll see the white truck coming
[44:36] into the entrance there. We always do a counterclockwise to
[44:41] our buildings to show that when the drivers come in,
[44:45] safety is a big, big priority with us. That driver,
[44:49] he or she can drive into that lot. No, what's
[44:51] in front of them, but also can track and see
[44:53] if anybody's coming into the building. If you're on the
[44:57] opposite side, it's a little bit tougher to see that.
[45:00] Um, sometimes we get asked, boy, it's really organized law.
[45:04] Does it always stay like that? Yeah, we try to
[45:05] do that. That's an emphasis we put in our company
[45:07] that's more efficient. We label all the stalls to where
[45:10] the truck goes. Um, we back in all of our
[45:13] trucks. There's a reason for that. Again, it's safety. It's
[45:16] organized, but we know when we're pulling a truck out
[45:18] backwards, a lot riskier to hit something or someone. We
[45:21] don't want that. To illustrate a little bit more about
[45:28] the site plan, we've got really mature landscaping. Um, you
[45:31] know, obviously per the local landscaping ordinances. Um, the building,
[45:37] we kind of went into the elements. The height of
[45:39] this building is about an eve height of 24 feet.
[45:43] Smaller building to the front for the rental and offices
[45:47] that eve heights is about 18 foot. So a little
[45:50] bit lower, uh, profile height on that, that building.
[46:02] This slide, I brought, cause I really believe this is,
[46:05] this shows a huge impact. Um, when we bring the
[46:10] heavy duty trucks into the property, those will enter and
[46:14] exit off of old root 215. We do not want
[46:19] trucks heavy duty trucks, medium duty trucks coming in off
[46:22] Alessandro. That is not the way we design this site.
[46:25] The entrance off alycero is really for the consumer and
[46:30] the commercial rental on the smaller light duty trucks being
[46:34] rented. Um, the, obviously another benefit here is the location
[46:41] in proximity to the 215 freeway. It's an easy access,
[46:45] easy off the freeway to get to our property. You're
[46:48] not meandering through a residential section if you can't find
[46:52] our property. It's right there. You can't, you can't miss
[46:55] it. Next profile is I think is really looking southwest
[47:03] of Alessandro. Um, again, you'll see the trucks in the
[47:06] background. The space in the back there with all the
[47:09] green trees as our employee parking. Um, and then you
[47:13] see the, the Penske building, we mentioned with staff mentioned
[47:16] in the beginning for rental and offices, um, that's really,
[47:21] again, catered to that business. Uh, rental light 2D trucks
[47:25] entering and exiting off of Alessandro. You'll also notice where
[47:29] the pickup truck is parked right in front of the
[47:31] smaller building. There's a gate there. That gets locked after
[47:34] hours when rental is closed. The benefit here also is
[47:38] if somebody can't see us or meet us after we're
[47:42] closed, they have the option of returning a rental, um,
[47:46] into that front lot where that box truck is sitting
[47:49] and they drop their keys off. And then we just
[47:52] close them out the next day we come in. That's
[47:54] a big benefit because some places if you drop a
[47:57] truck off, we don't want them parked in the streets.
[47:59] We want to make sure there's a space there for
[48:01] them to drop that truck off. That's not interfering with
[48:03] the traffic. Um, I mentioned earlier that obviously the access
[48:12] ingress for the bigger trucks off a road Route 215.
[48:16] And then the consumer and light duty rental will be
[48:19] off Alessandro. This property will be lit with LED lighting
[48:23] and building to eliminate the property and comply with all
[48:27] Title 24 energy codes. There is no truck idling at
[48:33] night. If staff or the, um, audience, please, we're going
[48:38] to hear him rumbling noises. All of our services are
[48:42] preventative maintenance or be done inside the truck shop. You
[48:46] mentioned, we mentioned earlier on this one, um, the big
[48:50] building. If you'll see on the, on the bigger building,
[48:53] you've got wings out there. Those are canopies. Those are
[48:56] really what we call drive up repairs tile root, tire
[49:00] replacements, windshield wiper replacements, light duty stuff that doesn't revolt
[49:04] any oils, any petroleum products. Something that can they can
[49:07] drive up. We switch it out. They're back on the
[49:10] road uptime. Landscape trees. Obviously those are part
[49:20] of those I planned along the perimeters. Those also, uh,
[49:24] act as a natural buffer. Which helps any kind of
[49:27] a noise reduction, but, uh, that's all part of the
[49:30] planning that's, you know, we would go through the planning
[49:33] department and make sure that's approved. Security, all this property
[49:37] will be, uh, fenced in, gated, I mentioned earlier and
[49:40] have a security system on site as of all of
[49:43] our properties do. Um, environmental consciousness. We are committed to
[49:49] committed to proactively protecting the environment state of our fuel
[49:52] island equipment and monitoring systems. I go well above and
[49:56] beyond the federal regulations. I mentioned the fuel island, California,
[50:02] obviously we know, uh, the regulations here are much a
[50:05] little bit more strict. We are geared with that with
[50:08] our environmental team and the process that we have in
[50:12] place to eliminate any potential drips or spills.
[50:22] Unfortunately. The applicant staff to ought to be aware that
[50:27] there is some contamination to the northeast of this property.
[50:32] We didn't do it. It's been there for 60 to
[50:35] 70 years by a prior. Building owner to the north
[50:40] to the east of us. Contains, I believe it was
[50:44] a dry cleaners building, had PCEs, I believe that's product
[50:49] is used for cleaning uniforms. For some reason, somehow it
[50:52] got into the soils and some of it migrated into
[50:55] the property we bought. We are doing the right thing.
[50:59] We're going to take care of this. On our property.
[51:03] We'll remove the PCE. The soils, the contaminative soils on
[51:10] site are mitigation. Measures include working with DTSE on this.
[51:18] In addition, I mentioned earlier, the right away, the landscaping.
[51:21] We are adding trees along the right of way as
[51:23] well as some light poles. I want the, um, committee
[51:31] and staff and the honest to be aware that Penske
[51:35] believes in environmental resilience in the missions controlling and gas
[51:40] emissions on these buildings. We put a lot of capital
[51:44] and thought in engineering into our buildings. We want them
[51:47] to last, but we want them also to be echo
[51:49] - friendly to the environment. Some of the things we
[51:53] are doing, obviously, in this building and throughout the country,
[51:57] we're doing light, LED or lighting retrofits and all of
[52:00] our buildings. Obviously this new building will have the latest
[52:03] LED lighting fixtures. But we are doing this all over
[52:06] the country just because, you know, the benefits of using
[52:10] a brighter light, but you know, something that's better for
[52:14] the environment. We are devoting about 1. 3 megawatts installed
[52:21] to date on solar. Currently seven sites in Southern California
[52:26] are getting retrofitted with solar arrays on the rooftops. We
[52:31] believe in this technology, this is, this is what I
[52:34] believe we benefits the consumers, but also benefits the areas
[52:40] to show that, uh, you know, we're making more eco
[52:43] - friendly buildings. Unfortunately, this building cannot have solar. We
[52:47] would still put it on if we could. This interferes
[52:50] with March Air Force Base and the trajectory of the
[52:53] landing and the takeoffs with high reflective glare that they
[52:57] might get. California is going to
[53:07] battery operated forklifts. No more natural gas. We're also using
[53:12] a lot more battery operated tools. The technology and battery
[53:18] operated tools these days have come tremendously much farther than
[53:21] they were in the past. We began, we believe that's
[53:23] better for the environment. HVAC equipment, another thing we're doing
[53:28] could be a higher nerve filter rating, um, VFDs in
[53:33] the very frequency drives into the HVAC units, uh, obviously
[53:38] units today, these days run much more efficient than older
[53:41] units. And then a highly efficient trek wash system, um,
[53:47] this, this location, obviously we'll have a truck wash. It
[53:50] will, um, probably produce about six to eight trucks washes
[53:55] per day. And we use a company called, whiting system
[54:00] that uses a super scout gantry system in this. The
[54:04] average is on this are about six gallons per a
[54:08] standard 26 foot truck. Basically this gantry system will, a
[54:14] driver will bring this truck into the wash bay, the
[54:17] driver will get out, punch a code into our, our,
[54:21] uh, key box there kind of registers the side of
[54:24] the length of the truck. This gantry will go back
[54:27] and forth to clean that truck. Six gallons on a
[54:31] truck has come way far, farther than using pressure washers,
[54:35] which pretty much use double the amount of water. We
[54:42] believe doing anything right thing at first. I kind of
[54:44] mentioned some of the things with the contamination on the
[54:47] site with the, uh, environmental, uh, improvements we've, we've made
[54:51] to the, uh, the eco - friendly buildings we're wielding.
[54:55] We produce buildings. We conduct our business in a safe
[54:59] and ethical manner. Maintain a facility in a first class
[55:03] manner that's compliance with all laws. We sustainability, energy, efficiency
[55:08] in reduction through lead design, including EV and solar. Every
[55:12] single building that we produce these days throughout the country,
[55:15] including Marina Valley will be a lead certified building. This
[55:20] is no different here. We believe in the efficiency, the,
[55:24] the, uh, engineering in this design. We just, it's a
[55:29] great thing. And we're using that going forward. Um, Penske's
[55:34] capital annual CAPEX budget. We put a tremendous amount of
[55:37] effort and capital into making sure our buildings last. We
[55:41] want the buildings to be efficient. We want our employees
[55:44] to be safe. Our customers to be safe. Therefore, we
[55:47] put a lot of emphasis in the safety and the
[55:50] building as far as being lasting much longer than the
[55:54] average. An active participation in the community and assistance with
[55:59] relief efforts. We're very much involved in the community. Uh,
[56:03] we step up when there's a need. We've had departments
[56:07] that deal with this on a, on a program basis.
[56:13] This location. I'm sorry, this, with all of our locations
[56:18] in Southern California, we have 35 buildings similar to this
[56:21] one. Um, out of those 35 locations, we employ over
[56:27] 1, 200 full - time employees in 90 - time
[56:31] employees. The early projections on this location are 50 or
[56:35] 31, excuse me, 31 full - time employees projected. That,
[56:42] I think, the staff mentioned the hours. Um, those employees
[56:45] will come from the surrounding areas. We mentioned a little
[56:50] bit earlier about the tax revenue when we sell a
[56:52] truck on the property. That's a benefit obviously to the
[56:58] city. Um, and we, we do a lot of local
[57:02] supports in Southern California as well as the country. Some
[57:06] of those examples are the blood drive and awareness week
[57:08] we do in Southern Count. Hard health day. The holiday
[57:13] toy drives in currently where we've been involved many years,
[57:18] which is coming up the annual pink out, which we
[57:20] spent a lot of time with, uh, employees and devoting
[57:23] time and efforts into recognizing that program. That concludes my
[57:32] presentation. I, uh, willing to answer any questions from the
[57:38] council. If they had any. Well, thank you. Appreciate that.
[57:44] I just want to go back and, uh, I don't
[57:45] think I mentioned that the public testimony is open at,
[57:49] uh, 6 30 p. m. just want to make sure
[57:52] that that's, that's in there. Are there any commissioner questions
[57:57] for the applicant. Um, how many EV trucks do you
[58:00] have right now that are going to be at this
[58:02] site. Do you have any. We, we have them deployed
[58:06] at probably the closest locations, maybe in Fontana, in Ontario.
[58:11] Probably eight to 10 trucks right now in those locations.
[58:17] As far as the bigger trucks, the DC fast charging.
[58:23] Do we have an actual count on that? Yeah, I
[58:24] know that you're going to be putting it because it's
[58:26] more or less the wave of the future, but I
[58:29] was just wondering if you guys already had gone to
[58:31] that wave of the future. We have. We've got a
[58:34] devoted team that's really looking at, uh, the benefits of
[58:37] that. I wanted to also add in, if I do,
[58:40] if I may, we also serve as C and G.
[58:44] Hydrogen trucks as well. Those are alternative fuels as well.
[58:48] Obviously the zero missions trucks is the wave of the
[58:51] future. And we're already using those now as we speak.
[58:55] And I noticed on the sustainability, um, you did list
[58:58] solar. But on this site you said that you cannot
[59:00] put solar. So that's going to be out. So that.
[59:03] Yes. We will still be leads. We will be leads
[59:06] certified. If you put in a solar, you could, the
[59:09] chance you can get up to a silver rating or
[59:11] even a gold. But we will make still certified by
[59:14] the other, uh, items that we're putting into the building.
[59:18] Okay. And then I notice that you said about the
[59:20] washing of the trucks that you, you know, are minimizing
[59:23] the usage, but you're not recycling your water or anything.
[59:25] We do not recycle as if yet. Um, that technology
[59:28] is not offered to us yet, but yes, we are
[59:30] not recycling. Okay. And, uh, are you bringing any employees
[59:37] with you to this site at all. I did not
[59:39] know that answer. Um, I know you said you were
[59:42] going to employ 31, but I'm sure even employing them,
[59:46] you're not going to, you know, they might not be
[59:48] up to speed. With the way you guys handle everything.
[59:52] So I was far as training and whatnot or, yeah,
[59:55] no, we would have them mirror probably the closest location,
[59:59] uh, work from that location while this one is being
[1:00:01] built. We also, one thing I wanted to add is
[1:00:05] we really, um, I think we set ourselves above and
[1:00:09] beyond any competition out there for training employees. We send
[1:00:13] our technicians, although do we have great knowledge to Texas
[1:00:17] to train for two weeks on the Penskey ways of
[1:00:20] doing the servicing and the preventative maintenance. They will probably
[1:00:23] go to a similar program like that, but also shadow
[1:00:26] with local other branches throughout Southern California. And I understand
[1:00:30] that you, um, do Reynolds for the consumer, but they're
[1:00:36] usually smaller trucks you said or even leases. Uh, so
[1:00:39] basically the way I'm looking at this, and you can
[1:00:42] correct me if I'm wrong. It's more like a service
[1:00:45] station for Penske where you service your trucks, you put
[1:00:49] brakes, you do all that. Is that basically what it
[1:00:51] is? Well, again, we're not open to the public. We're
[1:00:53] just servicing our own trucks through our customers at our
[1:00:57] sign up with our programs. Right. So it's something that's
[1:01:00] going to be basically for Penske to do their business
[1:01:05] on that site and not really for the general public.
[1:01:09] Other than rental, right. Correct. Okay. Sounds like at a
[1:01:16] courtroom, I'm sorry. It'll make you feel that way. I'm
[1:01:19] just going line by line, um, because these are things
[1:01:23] that I would just, yeah, I just want to get,
[1:01:25] get this all out. And as far as tax revenue,
[1:01:30] we, we, the city would just get them from the
[1:01:32] trucks that you would sell. Is that it? That is
[1:01:37] it for any. I assume it's a tax revenue. We
[1:01:40] don't have projections yet. Yeah. We were a little far
[1:01:42] out, but yes. Okay. I just wanted to know about
[1:01:44] that. And then, um. Well, she's looking at that. Arthur
[1:01:50] taxes associated with rentals as well. You know, I don't
[1:01:55] know that. Let me see. Um, and tax and rental
[1:02:04] tax. Okay. Right. Are you going to have underground storage
[1:02:06] tanks and above ground storage tanks? This will have underground
[1:02:09] storage tanks. Underground. So you won't have above ground. Because
[1:02:13] I know at your other for some of your facilities
[1:02:16] you did have. Um, we do have some. We do
[1:02:19] have some, not many. Okay. And the hazardous waste. How
[1:02:23] do you dispose of that. Um, I can, if I
[1:02:28] can, I can bring up an associate that deals with
[1:02:31] that program, if that's okay. Okay. Well, um.
[1:02:46] Cause I believe there was an issue environmental issue about
[1:02:49] that in the past. There was a, I just happened
[1:02:52] to come across it. They sent us some paperwork. We
[1:02:55] can, we can address a comment. Yeah. Yeah. It was
[1:02:57] an environmental lawsuit that you guys just settled. That had
[1:03:02] to do with that. Um, I could tell you that,
[1:03:05] uh, we worked with the DA's office on that. Right.
[1:03:10] Yeah. And, um, so I was just concerned with that
[1:03:13] site because the last thing we want is to have,
[1:03:16] you know, anything, um, and I know you guys are
[1:03:20] going to have to rectify all this and come up
[1:03:22] to, you know, speed on everything. But, um, we just
[1:03:27] don't want any of the public in our area to
[1:03:31] have to go through anything, you know, that mirrors some
[1:03:34] of these horrible things that we've been seeing happen. We
[1:03:38] can clarify that further with our, um, council we have
[1:03:42] with us tonight. Okay. I just wanted to kind of
[1:03:46] just touch on that. I know it's a very touchy
[1:03:48] subject, but I think it needed to be brought out
[1:03:50] because that site is going to be there. And it
[1:03:52] is in our town. So would you mind if, uh,
[1:03:55] council came up and addresses that now? Sure. Thank you.
[1:04:02] Good evening, commissioners. Sigurd Wagner, council for Penske. Absolutely happy
[1:04:06] to address that. Yes. Um, Penske just engaged with its
[1:04:10] regulators in a full and fulsome settlement that is before
[1:04:15] the court right now for ratification. And what that means
[1:04:18] is that Penske is now compliant with every environmental regulation
[1:04:22] at every site statewide. That was a very long and
[1:04:26] very collaborative process between the regulators and Penske. Um, what
[1:04:32] is good about it, um, people don't think about it,
[1:04:35] is the fact that now every single operation and every
[1:04:39] single operation going forward is up to stuff. 2026 standards
[1:04:44] and beyond, um, again, that was a lot of work
[1:04:47] and a lot of collaboration, but Penske is devoted to
[1:04:51] good responsibility and good operatorship. And that settlement is public.
[1:04:55] Um, the terms are available to be reviewed. That's on
[1:04:58] the court's docket. And you will see in the settlement,
[1:05:02] rec idles about all of that. So or for the
[1:05:07] good of the hearing tonight, please keep in mind that
[1:05:12] now Penske is at the top of its game. Regulatorily.
[1:05:17] Okay. That was, that was basically my thing. I know
[1:05:19] that now going forward, I was just, you know, having
[1:05:23] to be good stewards of the community, you know, we
[1:05:26] have to watch out for our residents. Because we live
[1:05:29] here. And so basically that's, you know, I had to
[1:05:32] bring it out. I know that was the elephant in
[1:05:34] the room, but it needed to be addressed. Okay. That's
[1:05:39] all my questions. I don't know if any of the
[1:05:40] other commissioners have any. You know, I have one. Um,
[1:05:44] you have a operation in Ontario and Fontanas or any
[1:05:48] other close by Riverside off of Hall in the 60
[1:05:52] would be probably the closest. Riversight, where's that in Riverside.
[1:05:58] All in the 60? I think it's just north of
[1:06:01] the 60. And where's your corporate headquarters in Texas or
[1:06:07] Reading Pennsylvania, sir? Do you have any plan on expanding.
[1:06:19] The operations for EV. As far as on, on the
[1:06:26] site? Yeah. Increasing the amount of, Oh, yeah, absolutely. 20
[1:06:32] stalls would probably be the biggest we've ever put in
[1:06:34] an end of your locations for the DC fast charging.
[1:06:38] And as well as a level twos, absolutely. Okay. Okay.
[1:06:44] So I guess my, my thought process on this being
[1:06:48] that it's pinsky. I guess my, did you equate it.
[1:06:55] This is like a just a really, really large. You
[1:06:59] all. You know, you got semi trucks. You got rentals.
[1:07:03] You got sales, but you haul doesn't sell their trucks.
[1:07:07] But you know, we're renting trucks. We're leasing trucks and
[1:07:10] selling trucks. Again, a big portion of, I want to
[1:07:15] say 90, over 90 percent of our business for the
[1:07:17] rental is the small commercial business owner. So then I
[1:07:24] think I heard that a lot of it has to
[1:07:26] do with the, uh, the longer use is five to
[1:07:29] seven year leasing, that sort of thing. Uh, for the
[1:07:32] service, yeah, the leasing. Okay. Nope. I don't have anything
[1:07:40] else. You guys have any other questions. I'm just, um,
[1:07:44] wondering, is it fair to say that basically this is
[1:07:47] more, um. I don't even know if I should, I
[1:07:51] have to choose my words very carefully. It's more a
[1:07:58] benefit really to Penske, this area than it is actually
[1:08:02] to the residents of myrtle valley. Is that fair to
[1:08:05] say or no? I don't, I disagree. Um, again, a
[1:08:08] lot of our, uh, rental fleet is geared towards a
[1:08:11] smaller business person he or she that can't afford their
[1:08:16] truck. So therefore they're using ours. Um, some of our,
[1:08:20] our big customers that are average customer fleet, uh, services,
[1:08:26] our trucks only utilize around six to seven trucks. That's
[1:08:32] a small portion. Those are used primarily in local areas.
[1:08:37] Okay. Cause it just seemed like, um, it's more like
[1:08:41] an operation that Penske, because everything that was on there
[1:08:45] wasn't open to the consumer wasn't open to the consumer.
[1:08:48] Wasn't open to the consumer except for just like you
[1:08:51] said the smaller trucks and the lease trucks. So for
[1:08:55] me, I just kind of took it that it was
[1:08:57] more something that, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with
[1:09:01] it. You're doing business and you, you know, you've got
[1:09:03] to service your trucks and maybe they're not going to
[1:09:06] be so much utilized from renow valley residents, but there
[1:09:08] are surrounding areas. That would utilize them. Riverside, um, Beaumont
[1:09:14] wherever. Because I don't know where, you know, like my
[1:09:18] colleague, Ray said, the, um, other places, but I guess
[1:09:23] there's, um. Room for, to have one more. There's room
[1:09:28] for one more. So basically I was just, yeah. You
[1:09:33] guys have done a demographics on this, I'm sure. Right.
[1:09:35] Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But that was my thing. Got
[1:09:40] it. Because sometimes we're up here and we are, you
[1:09:43] know, looking out for our residents and what benefits we
[1:09:45] can get for, you know, get the most bang for
[1:09:48] our buck for that. Property that is going to be
[1:09:52] used. Okay. Um, are there any plans for. Street improvements
[1:10:02] around the area. Around your, your right of ways and
[1:10:09] the outside. You know, I don't know if we had
[1:10:13] any major social do you call. I do want to
[1:10:21] add that the project is conditioned to, um, put in
[1:10:26] some street improvements. And I have our principal planner of
[1:10:31] land development to explain what those might be. Good evening,
[1:10:39] commissioners. Laurie Gonzalez, principal engineer with land development. The project
[1:10:45] is conditioned to install sidewalks along the frontage on old
[1:10:51] 215. The existing street already has curben gutter. In addition
[1:10:58] to that, um, conditioned to install, um, the two driveways
[1:11:05] per the city standard plan for commercial driveways. Um, and
[1:11:12] they will be connecting to an existing storm drain, 24
[1:11:18] inch storm drain within old 215 for drainage from their
[1:11:23] property. There are existing, I believe five existing streetlights. Um,
[1:11:32] along the frontage on old 215. And those existing streetlights
[1:11:37] will remain. One will be relocated in order to accommodate
[1:11:43] one of the driveways. Thank you. And I ask you,
[1:11:46] um, what is the, um, the road look like on
[1:11:49] that side of the old 215 because I know the
[1:11:51] other side has been repaved. It's been, it looks really
[1:11:55] nice. It used to be in bad shape. Right. Um,
[1:12:00] the condition of the roadway is a, it's a four
[1:12:05] lane, uh, minor arterial. So you have two lanes northbound,
[1:12:09] two lane southbound. And as I recall, um, I would
[1:12:14] have to double check, but I seem to recall that
[1:12:16] it's, um, in good condition. They are not, they were
[1:12:20] not conditioned to, um, do any additional street work beyond
[1:12:24] adding the sidewalk. Okay. Thank you. Okay. I have another
[1:12:28] question for you. I'm not done with you yet. Um,
[1:12:33] of poor guys, stop it. How many trucks do you.
[1:12:39] Even think might be going on from your site. Onto
[1:12:44] the roadways. On two old route 215. Oh, 215 to
[1:12:50] the onto the freeways. How many trucks do you surmise
[1:12:53] will be going on there. You know, it's, um, it's
[1:12:59] the ballpark. Yeah. I mean, again, it's all done by,
[1:13:02] um. To traffic analysis, but also the, um, accounts that
[1:13:08] we have when we make the appointments, right? You're not
[1:13:11] seeing, uh, tremendous amount of trucks on the lot, you
[1:13:15] know. So I would, you know, I would say maybe
[1:13:18] your 10, 10 to 12 or 10 to 15 per
[1:13:20] day coming in and out. Okay. Yeah. Cause I mean,
[1:13:27] it might not even come into the equation, but it's
[1:13:29] just that the truck traffic on the freeways on the
[1:13:34] roads, they're just getting worse. That was my question. I
[1:13:40] mean, you know, I mean, it's not your fault. It's
[1:13:43] not your fault. You know, it's just gotten that way
[1:13:45] through the years. So I just want to know how
[1:13:48] many might be added. I could show an inch with
[1:13:52] Penske with the facilities team. I wanted to give you
[1:13:55] a little bit more. Maybe metrics or data to kind
[1:13:58] of answer some questions to support Mike. As you think
[1:14:01] about your question on trucks, what you're not seeing today
[1:14:07] is all the business, um, commercial consumer and elaborate that
[1:14:14] a more. That's transpiring business within the city today is
[1:14:18] driving those trucks within the city without our presence. So
[1:14:21] when we go back to the common R, what does
[1:14:25] this facility do for the city of Moreno Valley. And
[1:14:31] we're very cautious to say how much we spend. We
[1:14:34] spend millions of dollars on these facilities. And that's not
[1:14:36] bragging. But we choose our destination or a domicile locations
[1:14:41] wisely. So based on geometrics of the customers, the customers,
[1:14:45] what brings us here, not Penske. So we're not going
[1:14:48] to stand up a multimillion dollar facility to just rent
[1:14:52] for, you know, moving your house or maybe some commercial
[1:14:55] rental. We're bringing the business here really for the full
[1:14:58] service lease, which is supporting the businesses, like I said.
[1:15:02] It's a lot of small businesses. So as you think
[1:15:04] about the world of trucks and the whole industry, not
[1:15:07] us. of six trucks or less. Now we have Costco.
[1:15:14] We have Trader Joe's. We have a lot of big
[1:15:16] entities. That's no lie, right? We are a big company.
[1:15:18] We're a network just like others. But really the focus
[1:15:21] in this town and others that we travel around is
[1:15:24] we're basing our decision to come here based on they're
[1:15:27] already the business of the trucks that are used. So
[1:15:31] the trucks that are the businesses today that are in
[1:15:33] your community are driving to riverside for that first full
[1:15:38] service lease, the fueling, all the complementary services, which you
[1:15:42] are not seeing the benefit for. But you are seeing
[1:15:45] the increased traffic. And flow and everything else that goes
[1:15:48] with that. So the reason that we are here today
[1:15:51] is because when we look at a concentric ring, so
[1:15:54] we do drive times of where all the dots of
[1:15:56] the customers that we support, we find the zoning that
[1:16:01] complies. And we find the closest to the highway, right?
[1:16:05] So we talked about all this, but all of the
[1:16:06] strategic things we try to do to minimize our footprint
[1:16:09] on the community. Kind of brought us to this site
[1:16:12] because we have the revenue to help with the cleanup.
[1:16:15] This light has sit and vacant for many, many decades.
[1:16:18] So we feel like it fits our needs. We can
[1:16:21] support our customers that are already within the city. We
[1:16:25] can concentric that ring. So now our traffic is a
[1:16:28] lot less because we're not commuting that half hour up
[1:16:31] and back. So when you ask how many trucks are
[1:16:33] on the roads, all of them, they have to go
[1:16:35] somewhere. But we are very strategic on keeping them out
[1:16:39] of this, you know, out of the residential areas. A
[1:16:41] lot of them are more, you know, the flower, when
[1:16:44] you think about the small truck, so EVs, we made
[1:16:46] a public statement many years ago. We bought 250 electric
[1:16:50] vehicles. They're the 40 little bands, right? A lot of
[1:16:53] those that we see around all in, they're all in
[1:16:56] California for the most part. Uh, I would say 95
[1:17:00] percent. I don't know the actual count, but out of
[1:17:02] 250, about 200 or so are in this state. We
[1:17:06] see electricians flower companies, you know, food deliveries, Amazon has
[1:17:11] taken a few, although they're converting to the roan. So
[1:17:13] those are the people that are using it. But we
[1:17:15] know they're concentric here. So that's what brings us here.
[1:17:18] We're not coming here to try the build the business.
[1:17:20] We're coming here to support the business. And that's why
[1:17:23] we're not open to the public. The public facing side
[1:17:26] is if you or anybody in this room says, Hey,
[1:17:29] I want to move to another state or I need
[1:17:31] to take my kid to college. You can come in,
[1:17:34] you can get a truck for as long as you'd
[1:17:35] like. You can drop it off at any state. That's
[1:17:37] the beauty of us. It's a network. So it's not
[1:17:40] concentric there. But the commercial side of that rental is
[1:17:43] the FedEx and the UPS. And at one time Amazon.
[1:17:46] So when the Christmas holiday comes, they do not have
[1:17:48] the volume to keep up with all our shopping online
[1:17:50] anymore. They can't. So they come to us and say,
[1:17:53] give us some trucks temporarily. So a lot of our
[1:17:56] trucks are delivering all these packages in these big flow,
[1:17:59] you know, from black, uh, black Friday all the way
[1:18:02] through the holidays. So that's the commercial rental. That could
[1:18:05] be a week, a month, the holiday, uh, but the
[1:18:08] full service lease is what really brings us here. That's
[1:18:11] the five to seven year commitment. That's with a Kroger,
[1:18:14] a Costco, uh, we have business here. We have a
[1:18:17] lot of small businesses within the community. And we're just
[1:18:20] providing that service. We give them the truck. We do
[1:18:22] the license. We put the decal on. You don't even
[1:18:24] know it's our truck. And we service wash and fuel
[1:18:27] on site. We try to keep it contained. So it's
[1:18:31] not negative to the public. It's we're supporting what's already
[1:18:34] here. You just, it's not invisible, but you don't see
[1:18:36] it. We're not driving around with pentacle in every truck.
[1:18:38] Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense to me
[1:18:41] now. Cause I was thinking you guys are just wanting
[1:18:44] to do Penske and monopolize on everything. And it didn't
[1:18:47] make sense to me that it would even be a
[1:18:49] value to our area. If you guys are just going
[1:18:51] to do, you know, a centralized location and just do
[1:18:55] that. But now that you're saying that we might not
[1:18:57] see it. It is a pencil truck. It's just kind
[1:19:03] of incognita. The own showed value for us is because,
[1:19:07] and I know the people in here that want to
[1:19:09] have a conversation, that's, that's beautiful, right? That's what the
[1:19:11] country's for. And we'll disagree and agree on a lot
[1:19:14] of things. But what we do know is we come
[1:19:16] here for the customers and a lot of customers follow
[1:19:18] us. So if they're in Riverside and they're like, Hey,
[1:19:22] we want to go to, we want to pensky as
[1:19:24] a service because of some of the values we provide.
[1:19:27] When we establish in Moreno Valley, they will come to
[1:19:30] us because they know that's the value we get. We're
[1:19:33] not the cheapest on the block. We are never a
[1:19:35] U - Haul. And the differentiators U - Haul is
[1:19:37] just a transaction for a rental, right? They don't do
[1:19:41] their own maintenance. They do have their own vehicles. Uh,
[1:19:44] and another misnomer that maybe I could clear up is
[1:19:47] we don't build trucks. We don't, we don't, we're not
[1:19:49] a truck manufacturer. So we're agnostic to anything out there.
[1:19:53] We've got, we get a Tesla truck. We can get
[1:19:56] a four truck, a Volvo truck, a Daimler truck. Anything
[1:19:59] out in the market. And that's what we do for
[1:20:01] our customer. Because if you came to us and said,
[1:20:03] I didn't want to be zero admissions. We will say,
[1:20:06] I do want electric. C and G. We can do
[1:20:08] hydrogen as they come online. Right. There's a lot of
[1:20:10] technologies coming. It's our job to be that advisor. We
[1:20:14] have the, you know, the network to bring in whatever
[1:20:17] you need as a customer. We spec the trucks. You're
[1:20:20] going to say, I need a refrigerator truck because I
[1:20:22] deliver, um, you know, ice cream. We have a lot
[1:20:25] of those or breads. Food is a big industry for
[1:20:27] us. Auto parts are a big industry for us. So
[1:20:30] all these warehouses, they have to get fed from somebody.
[1:20:34] And we're kind of the unsung hero because you don't
[1:20:36] see us delivering a Penske truck. It's in their trucks.
[1:20:40] Right. So as we're kind of branching out. So we
[1:20:42] want to be very strategic. We don't want to leave
[1:20:44] a big footprint within a community, but we want to
[1:20:46] be able to transport the goods, get in and off
[1:20:49] the site and do it cleanly and respectfully. And that's
[1:20:52] really what we're trying to do. Okay. Can I ask
[1:20:54] you, do you have contracts with some of the bigger
[1:20:57] businesses in our city? Absolutely. Okay. Well, I just wanted
[1:21:01] to clarify. Okay. No, it's okay. And if you, if
[1:21:04] we want to get into the names, I'll have to
[1:21:06] bring up the operators because I'm, uh, I'm the construction
[1:21:08] guy. I can tell you all of that. Okay. I
[1:21:11] know you had a question way on in the presentation
[1:21:13] about why so many truck stalls. And that's a very
[1:21:15] common question we hear all around the country. And I
[1:21:18] can give you two simple answers. We follow the zoning
[1:21:22] code. So if the planners say, Hey, 70 percent of
[1:21:24] the site, you can have impervious We try to maximize
[1:21:28] this time. We do that for two reasons. We want
[1:21:29] to make one impact and one impact only. We don't
[1:21:32] have to come back and grade and disturb and make
[1:21:34] all kind of disruptions for us or you or the
[1:21:37] environment. But we also, as you think about yourself, so
[1:21:41] when you drop your car off to get serviced, if
[1:21:44] the parking stalls around the garage, what do you do?
[1:21:47] You drive around and you're like, Oh my God, what
[1:21:49] do these people doing? There's no parking area. What do
[1:21:50] I drop my car off? We're very much molded in
[1:21:53] a commercial atmosphere. So even though we have about 160
[1:21:57] stalls, we have a rotation. So we have stalls that
[1:22:01] might not have parking so that when a customer drops
[1:22:04] their truck, they can put it in a stall and
[1:22:06] be organized, safe and organized. The next person that comes
[1:22:09] in, they're going to take a truck from another stall.
[1:22:11] So it's, it's kind of a rotational parking lot. But
[1:22:14] we can't do that if we just designed for exactly
[1:22:16] what's in the shop, if that makes any sense. Yeah.
[1:22:18] That makes sense. And you are going to make it
[1:22:20] aesthetically pleasing, right? I mean, I kind of wish you
[1:22:23] guys would go a little above and beyond because I
[1:22:25] know sometimes the city hasn't really, you get a certain
[1:22:30] size tree that you have to put in, but it
[1:22:32] takes forever for it to grow. And the last thing
[1:22:36] I would like to see is, uh, it looked like
[1:22:39] a commercial. Area rather than a business park. So we
[1:22:46] were open to any suggestions you have. What is the
[1:22:48] size of box trees we have to put? You know,
[1:22:51] we, our code is, does anybody know if we're answering.
[1:23:00] How tall are they. So we have in our project
[1:23:05] plans, the preliminary landscaping plans, um, and let's see here
[1:23:12] what they have as far as. So it's a minimum
[1:23:17] of a 24 inch box. And you go a little
[1:23:20] bigger than that. We can and we'll work with the
[1:23:22] planners. Okay. Can we put that as a condition of
[1:23:26] approval if it were to be approved? Because I would
[1:23:29] like to see a little more mature. No, I don't
[1:23:34] think they don't. They won't. Well, I mean, nurseries. I
[1:23:38] mean, that's where you got to go to the nursery.
[1:23:40] You get a bigger tree. I'm just saying because I
[1:23:43] know that there was some buildings that we had around
[1:23:45] town and it's taken forever for them to cover up
[1:23:49] what's actually there. I know your buildings aren't going to
[1:23:52] be, you know, super tall. But I know the area.
[1:23:57] I've been here 40 years. Yeah. Most Sonico we see
[1:24:00] inch and a half caliber is a very small treat.
[1:24:02] It takes 10 to 15 years to get anything like
[1:24:04] you see in the landscape plan. Right. Uh, we typically
[1:24:06] like to go a little more dense because we, we
[1:24:09] do want maturity and we also have a lot of
[1:24:11] screening requirements. I think some might be here. Uh, but
[1:24:14] we are not opposed to changing that at all. Right.
[1:24:17] We start with something and then we work with everybody.
[1:24:20] Right. Because that area, I know you, you've probably been
[1:24:22] to the site. And it just would look nice. Cause
[1:24:25] that is an entrance to our city. And so if
[1:24:29] you want, you know, for us to at least start
[1:24:32] somewhere to look nice coming in, I would like it
[1:24:35] to look nice because that area has been a very,
[1:24:39] um, almost, I just want to say, uh, it hasn't
[1:24:43] been built up very well. It was the, the stepchild.
[1:24:48] Of the city. I know we have fence. We have
[1:24:51] some screener walls which are not unusual for us. Trucks
[1:24:55] are not always the most kosher world. Is that I
[1:24:58] wouldn't want to see the trucks. I just want to
[1:24:59] see something that looks good landscaped. You know, the greenery
[1:25:04] and things like that. It makes a place just look
[1:25:06] cleaner, nicer. Understood so bad. Um, I had another question,
[1:25:13] but I'll let the speaker speak and then maybe I'll
[1:25:16] bring you back up to the firing range. Yeah. Maybe
[1:25:22] two more things to kind of maybe help from discussion.
[1:25:26] Cause I know you're going to hear a lot. And
[1:25:28] I know, uh, trucks aren't the easiest thing to think
[1:25:30] about, but we aren't a cross doc. We're not the
[1:25:32] warehouse across the street. Our traffic footprint is very minor
[1:25:36] as much as you want to not believe that. Uh,
[1:25:38] most of our traffic generated by our employees. So if
[1:25:40] we have 31 employees, we have 15 coming in and
[1:25:44] we have an overlap of 15 coming out. So at
[1:25:45] any given time, we want to have all 30 at
[1:25:47] one time, but the rotation, right? As people do shifts.
[1:25:51] We know there's a vernal pool on there, right? So
[1:25:53] we're very sensitive to that. It's not unusual for us
[1:25:55] to transport prairie dogs and turtles and spotted out. We
[1:25:58] do this all the time. Very sensitive to that. But
[1:26:01] I would recommend that when we, or one thing to
[1:26:03] know is when we went through with March Air Force
[1:26:06] base, it was made clear to us and with the
[1:26:08] planners that we could not have an open water source
[1:26:10] on that property. And the reason is they don't want
[1:26:13] waterfowl conjugating there because of the end of the runway
[1:26:16] and getting into the engines. So that's one thing we
[1:26:18] had to do. We had to put that detention underground.
[1:26:21] I think it might be a bio swale. I'm a
[1:26:23] little out of touch. Mike probably knows. But we have
[1:26:26] to relocate that anyway, right? Because of the water getting
[1:26:29] larger that was brought up to us. Can you fix
[1:26:31] that? Absolutely. We have to mitigate. So we will do
[1:26:34] that. A lot of things are just maybe unwritten, but
[1:26:37] we know why and where we're doing them. And we're
[1:26:40] welcome the questions to kind of explain that to you.
[1:26:43] And I, and honestly, I would hope that you would
[1:26:45] employ Marino Valley residents if they're qualified because, um, everywhere.
[1:26:52] Everybody needs a job. And if we can get some
[1:26:54] people jobs, then that's what we would really like. I
[1:26:59] think your question earlier about, are you hiring within? Do
[1:27:03] you bring people without just like any business, we would
[1:27:06] have a management team come in, right? We have to
[1:27:07] have consistency in training. We do have texts that live
[1:27:11] down here that go to riverside. So we are very
[1:27:13] conscious of trying to get somebody more quality of life.
[1:27:17] So there will be some texts that come down here.
[1:27:19] And that keeps our base strong and consistent. But we
[1:27:21] do also go out to the tech schools as Mike
[1:27:24] said. And we go out to the colleges for management
[1:27:26] trainees. And what are those? We put college kids on
[1:27:28] the counter and we train the business and they go
[1:27:30] up through and we give them opportunity to become a
[1:27:32] salesperson or a VP or whatever they want to be.
[1:27:35] So we do have a lot of opportunity. A lot
[1:27:38] of opportunity to bring, uh, talent in. It's a, it's
[1:27:41] a, um, just like any trade out there. It's really
[1:27:44] hard to get talent. So we welcome anybody that's willing
[1:27:48] to come. Okay. Yeah. Cause we've, we've kind of battled
[1:27:52] with Riverside for a long time. We're competition, but I
[1:27:55] just would like our kids to get some training. And
[1:27:59] it would be a good future for them because a
[1:28:01] mechanic, they pay good money. You know, a lot of
[1:28:03] kids aren't geared sometimes to go to the four year
[1:28:06] college. But a trade school or something like that, you
[1:28:10] know, they make good money. Okay. One more comment. What
[1:28:14] do we have two buildings? This is very unique for
[1:28:16] us because it really splits our management and how we
[1:28:21] handle transactions and that. And the reason is March Air
[1:28:24] Force base. There's a far ratio. We can only have
[1:28:27] so many people in a building at the end of
[1:28:29] that runway. It very much limits what can be built
[1:28:32] there because you can't have a high density population within
[1:28:36] a building on that lot at the end of the
[1:28:38] runway. So we worked with them. And I think the
[1:28:41] planners and everybody else, it's been years now, right? Uh,
[1:28:44] so we split our, our workforce, office and technician so
[1:28:48] that we could come within March Air Force bases requirements.
[1:28:51] And I say that because it's very challenging aside from
[1:28:54] the contamination cleanup and the amount of money we need
[1:28:57] to spend to get this operational. It's very hard for
[1:28:59] anybody else also to try to meet those, um, uh,
[1:29:04] floor area ratios for March Air Force. Let's say nobody
[1:29:07] can and we struggle to meet it. So we had
[1:29:10] to get creative. And that's why we have two facilities.
[1:29:12] So you won't see that everywhere. Um, but we're willing
[1:29:15] to work to make everything, uh, be compliant and, you
[1:29:19] know, kind of work within the letter of the law.
[1:29:21] Okay. I'm glad you answered a lot of questions because
[1:29:24] I'll be honest with you, um, I came in with
[1:29:26] that elephant in my hand. And I, it had a
[1:29:30] bad taste, actually. I didn't really care for what I
[1:29:33] was reading. I think our legal counsel addressed some of
[1:29:37] the elements in the room. Yeah. I would say take
[1:29:39] the time you have a past like that. You know,
[1:29:41] I know they're going to make you come to compliance
[1:29:44] and do everything. And I'm sure that our facility is
[1:29:47] going to be up to par. But it's just kind
[1:29:54] of like I was looking at that. I was saying,
[1:29:56] Oh my goodness. So just so you know where I'm
[1:29:58] coming from. I know I really don't ask that many
[1:30:01] questions do I guys. I'll stay very topside on this,
[1:30:06] but I'll give you one last parting comment and then
[1:30:08] we can open it up. Your state is one of
[1:30:11] the most stringent and challenging to work for, uh, as
[1:30:15] far as regulations. But a regulation doesn't mean you're doing
[1:30:18] something wrong. It could be a procedural issue or it
[1:30:22] could be a documentation issue. It doesn't mean you have
[1:30:24] made a spill. It doesn't mean anything leaked. It could
[1:30:27] be strictly paper oriented. So I'd encourage anybody to read
[1:30:30] deeper into why and where everybody is coming around with
[1:30:33] the information. And I think you might find that we're
[1:30:36] not really the enemy of the community that many people
[1:30:40] think. Thank you. Any other additional questions for the applicant.
[1:30:50] Okay. Well, let me, let me say this. Uh, how
[1:30:53] many speakers do we have right now. We presently have
[1:30:56] five speaker cards, sir. Thinking we may need, we've been
[1:31:00] up here an hour and a half. Now let's, yeah,
[1:31:03] take a 10 minute break. Yeah. Let's take a 10
[1:31:06] minute recess and then we're a week of being at
[1:31:09] 735.
[1:42:20] All right, like to bring this planning commission back to
[1:42:25] order at exactly 738 p. m. And it looks like
[1:42:29] we're now going to move into the public testimony. The
[1:42:34] clerk will call upon each person who has requested to
[1:42:37] speak and remember that you have a maximum of three
[1:42:39] minutes to speak. Do we have any speakers? Yes, Chair.
[1:42:45] We presently have seven speakers. Our first speaker is Ishmael
[1:42:49] Gonzalez, followed by Marco Hernandez, then followed by Tassiana Flores.
[1:42:59] I want to begin by saying thank you to the
[1:43:02] applicant for that long - winded explanation of his project
[1:43:06] or their project. Thank you to Stacey Dunning for printing
[1:43:09] out my seven page letter for Citistaff and the commissioners
[1:43:13] to review. I think it's very thorough as to why
[1:43:17] you should oppose this item. I want to direct you
[1:43:22] to page for online. I know this is maybe unreliable
[1:43:27] information, but I did pull people directed to Marina Valley
[1:43:32] over this issue. I've received 75 responses with a majority
[1:43:36] of them. 67 percent to be a cube exact saying
[1:43:39] no that they would not prefer any more gas stations
[1:43:43] or car washers. I think this can be considered a
[1:43:47] gas station, but for trucks, right? And you heard from
[1:43:50] commissioner Wilson that within a mile on Sonny Me Boulevard,
[1:43:54] there are countless car washes, gas basins. We are plagued
[1:43:58] as residents with how many of those businesses are here
[1:44:02] in our city. I also want to, you know, just
[1:44:07] remind you the first couple of questions I ask you
[1:44:10] in this letter. Who are these applicants? What are the
[1:44:13] relationship with Marina Valley? Are they interested in benefiting our
[1:44:18] community? I will give you an observation here. There are
[1:44:23] a lot of rich white people behind me who are,
[1:44:29] I bring race. Why? I heard a lot of gasp,
[1:44:32] right? Why? Because Marina Valley, according to the 2040 general
[1:44:35] plan is overwhelmingly Latino Hispanic, almost 60 percent. So why
[1:44:41] are these people coming here dressed with a quilted sweater
[1:44:45] when it's 100 degrees out to propel to advocate for
[1:44:49] this business? They do not live here. I'm like confident
[1:44:53] of it. You could easily see what their response is
[1:44:56] depending on what happens here. They're going to leave after
[1:44:59] this item. The residents will stay here for the next
[1:45:02] item, but I encourage them to stay all night if
[1:45:05] they do live here. There are communities in Edmont, the
[1:45:12] closest resident will be 220 feet away. 220 feet away
[1:45:17] across the street. You are going to affect their lives
[1:45:19] forever. You are basically sending them out of the city.
[1:45:26] Their city staff in their report said that the residents
[1:45:29] are out of compliance. Why? It's because of lack of
[1:45:33] leadership in this management, in this city for decades. You
[1:45:37] have forced them to be out of compliant. Let me
[1:45:40] remind you, the Edmond community was originally known as Alessandro,
[1:45:44] one of the most historic places in the city. And
[1:45:47] now it's riddled with warehouses. That is why they're out
[1:45:50] of compliance. And I mean, this letter speaks for itself.
[1:45:55] It goes against what we have in mind for Renovelli
[1:45:58] 2040. The applicant says. Thank you.
[1:46:08] Our next speaker is Marco Hernandez, followed by Tatiana Flores,
[1:46:12] followed by Christopher Bacca. Good evening, Mered Valley. My name
[1:46:18] is Marco Hernandez. I work for Wabash National here on
[1:46:24] Alexandro 22135. You know, we're a truck buddy manufactured propinski.
[1:46:30] Pinski is a well - respected vendor. Customer in the
[1:46:36] transportation business. You know, for us, why is it important
[1:46:42] for us to bring Pinskin Moreno Valley. Pinsky brings a
[1:46:47] lot of business to Mary No Valley. Why? You know,
[1:46:51] we employ at Wabash 200 employees when we ramp up
[1:46:57] up to 250, 300 employees. Uh, 80 percent of our
[1:47:01] employees work, you know, live in Reno Valley, uh, that's,
[1:47:05] that's why it's very important that, you know, that, you
[1:47:07] know, pinski's, uh, has this opportunity in Murrna Valley. They
[1:47:14] bring a lot of, uh, a lot of business here.
[1:47:18] And we're fortunate to partner up with Pinsky to not
[1:47:22] only, you know, help the community also. But, uh, we're
[1:47:26] very involved with Myrnal Valley during the, you know, holiday
[1:47:30] season. Um, we're going to be ramping up, uh, in
[1:47:34] the fourth quarter. And, um, you know, a lot of
[1:47:37] employees are going to come out of, um, valley. We
[1:47:41] hire a lot of, uh, residents here. We build all
[1:47:46] the 26 footers, um, you know, all the 26 footers,
[1:47:51] 18 footers. Pinsky commercials, pinsky consumers, uh, we build, uh,
[1:47:58] trucks for the food industry, uh, for pinski and users,
[1:48:02] Costco, uh, Kroger, et cetera. So I'm just here to
[1:48:07] represent Pinsky. And, you know, just, um, just communicating, you
[1:48:12] know, communicating to the city valley, the residents, uh, Pinsky,
[1:48:18] um, is, uh, you know, a valued, you know, customer,
[1:48:22] very respected. And, um, you know, all in all, it's
[1:48:25] going to be good for the community. Okay. Thank you.
[1:48:36] My next speaker is Tatiana Flores, followed by Christopher Bacca,
[1:48:40] then followed by Nikita Wilson. Hello, commission. Thanks for the
[1:48:45] opportunity to speak again. My name is Tatiana Flores and
[1:48:48] I'm a resident here in Moreno Valley in District 4.
[1:48:51] Um, I'm here to express my opposition to this item
[1:48:54] for the development of a new truck sales leasing fueling
[1:48:56] and maintenance facility. According to the initial study provided with
[1:49:00] this item, it is stated that the edge mount community
[1:49:03] and Marino Valley as a whole canel face an additional
[1:49:07] 184 truck trips per day. This is concerning when the
[1:49:11] nearest resident will be across the street around 220 feet
[1:49:14] from the project site. You know, we just spent several
[1:49:17] months discussing truck routes in the city and the importance
[1:49:20] of the importance of keeping truck traffic away from sensitive
[1:49:24] receptors, yet industry development continues to be proposed in a
[1:49:28] community that is already overburdened with pollution exposure. According to
[1:49:33] Calenvir screen and SB535, Edjmon is one of the most
[1:49:37] disadvantaged communities in Moreno Valley with a 95, um, percentile
[1:49:41] for pollution birding. Burden, sorry. In areas designated disadvantaged communities
[1:49:46] and with heavy industrial usage, um, we require more meaningful
[1:49:50] and thoughtful planning that is required to ensure that residents
[1:49:53] do not continue to be harmed by future development. This
[1:49:58] is another reason why we spent several years working on
[1:50:01] the general plan update to ensure that this is the
[1:50:03] blueprint for the next 15 to 20 years and that
[1:50:06] it reflects what the community truly needs. This project alone
[1:50:10] contradicts many of the goals outline for the city in
[1:50:13] various different elements, including the environmental justice element that outlines
[1:50:18] policies meant to reduce pollution exposure and improve community health.
[1:50:23] This company has been mentioned earlier with sued up to
[1:50:27] 7 million dollars for several environmental law violations related to
[1:50:31] their above ground storage tanks, hazardous waste control and hazardous
[1:50:35] materials at facilities it operates in Riverside County. Um, I
[1:50:40] know they said that, you know, it could have been
[1:50:43] an issue of documentation, but they also mentioned in their
[1:50:46] presentation that a lot of their staff is trained super
[1:50:49] well and even sent out a state. So how did
[1:50:51] that even happen? Like, how is this an issue that
[1:50:54] happened? Um, so, um, yeah, those are some concerns that
[1:50:59] I have. And I guess I would say please consider
[1:51:02] your health and the health of your constituents when projects
[1:51:05] like these come before you. And I know something in
[1:51:09] the presentation that was mentioned was like, we find that
[1:51:12] a lot of people that are using these trucks are
[1:51:14] just moving like to go to school and stuff. Um,
[1:51:17] so why. Why, why, why? But okay, thanks. Thank you.
[1:51:27] Our next speaker is Christopher Baka followed by Nikita Wilson's,
[1:51:30] then followed by Rory Blicker. Good evening again. There were
[1:51:34] two, um, questions that weren't, were addressed but really weren't
[1:51:41] clarified or didn't seem to mean much other than just
[1:51:46] rhetoric. Just to say that they said something or addressed
[1:51:52] the issue. One of them had to do with the
[1:51:54] disposal of hazardous waste. The other one had to do
[1:51:57] with, uh, the employment of people. Um, one of the
[1:52:03] issues with the employment I would ask that you also
[1:52:06] put conditions there that the upper management and people employed
[1:52:10] are from Moreno Valley because most likely they're going to
[1:52:13] bring in the 30 employees are going to bring in
[1:52:16] are obviously going to be transfers from other areas and
[1:52:19] like, uh, our other, um, speaker mentioned about the racial
[1:52:23] issue. We have, you know, like raising canes that's in
[1:52:27] the middle of the ghetto and you have nothing but
[1:52:29] lily white people employed there, uh, Penske also, when they
[1:52:32] come to their upper management, just like it's represented back
[1:52:35] here is a lily white, um, uh, views and they
[1:52:40] don't, um, necessarily hire upper management other than, um, uh,
[1:52:45] their own kind. Um, not my kind, but, you know,
[1:52:48] I don't have a kind of, we're, but certain aspects,
[1:52:53] uh, always show their awful faces with, uh, with racial
[1:52:57] hiring, uh, you see that in many of these million
[1:53:00] dollar corporations. With that in mind, you know, you're bringing,
[1:53:03] uh, this is a billion dollar corporation, uh, coming into
[1:53:07] one of the most impoverished, um, areas in our city,
[1:53:11] which is polluted, uh, they didn't answer the environmental issue
[1:53:15] as far as a disposal of hazardous waste, uh, they
[1:53:20] brought up legal console that just, I don't know what
[1:53:23] they actually was talking about. Just nonsense just to make
[1:53:26] it seem like she knows something or a dress that
[1:53:29] issue, but it was all BS. Otherwise, uh, that needs
[1:53:33] to be addressed to the area as far as, uh,
[1:53:36] we have groundwater there. We have box greens mutual water
[1:53:39] that is very sensitive that feeds all the lower income
[1:53:45] disadvantage community of Edgemont. They're going to have car washes.
[1:53:49] They're going to have hazardous waste. That needs to really
[1:53:52] be addressed. Um, they also need to address the citizens
[1:53:56] that live there. Why don't they reach out and go,
[1:53:59] if they're so concerned like they claim with the community,
[1:54:04] why don't they reach out and put, you know, higher
[1:54:06] fences, may for give them some, um, air filtration, water
[1:54:11] filtration, you know, just do something. You know, you come
[1:54:15] into our community's and pollute it and make a billion.
[1:54:19] And the community suffers. Thank you. Our next speaker is
[1:54:27] Nikita Wilson, followed by Roy Blecker, thin followed by subcox.
[1:54:33] In my comments are of my own. At this point
[1:54:37] we can just call Marino Valley the city of trucks
[1:54:40] and suds. Because if it's not a car wash or
[1:54:44] a truck, we are tired of seeing diesels. I don't
[1:54:47] care if they have pinskis on it. Disneyland, whatever. And
[1:54:52] then to be getting right off the freeway, and that's
[1:54:55] going to be the first thing people see is what?
[1:54:58] What we are famous for, diesels, trucks. At this point,
[1:55:03] we just should tell our kids to become mechanics or
[1:55:05] something. Or, I mean, it's the representation that we are
[1:55:10] giving for our city at a point has to become
[1:55:14] better. And even with the, and I hate to sound
[1:55:17] redundant about the jobs, it was very, very clear that
[1:55:22] jobs were not spoken about for this community. Okay. It's
[1:55:26] not, nothing is open to the community, but you can
[1:55:29] rent the trucks, which I'm not against that because I
[1:55:31] have brothers who are in the trucking business and they,
[1:55:35] they like to rent trucks and deliver their goods and
[1:55:38] those things. So I'm not opposed to that. That sounds
[1:55:40] great. But we also need jobs for our residents. I
[1:55:45] mean, and then stating that they go to colleges and
[1:55:51] training facilities. Is that something that we can get commitment
[1:55:55] to, not just a brazen, okay, this is what we
[1:56:00] do. No, we need commitment that the, the colleges and
[1:56:04] the training facilities in merino valley. That they will be
[1:56:10] also hired. And so yet, I just want to speak
[1:56:13] on that because I just find it at, at this
[1:56:17] point, it's just really ridiculous. My 14 year old at
[1:56:21] the time, she's 15 now, but she said at one
[1:56:24] of our city hall meetings, uh, a city without places
[1:56:28] together is a city that people leave. And I hate
[1:56:31] for her to see that the only places to really
[1:56:34] gather in merino valley is going to get a car
[1:56:37] wash or going to get a truck to go to
[1:56:40] college away from here. Thank you. Thank you. Our next
[1:56:50] speaker is Roy Blecker followed by Seth Cox followed by
[1:56:53] Manuel Topeli. So this is about three blocks from my
[1:57:00] first home in my native area of edgemont. On top
[1:57:06] of that. Back in the day, a guy named Roger
[1:57:11] Penske and Les Richter and others owned a series called
[1:57:15] the International Race of Champions or I Rock. Zoll served
[1:57:19] raceway that Lesrector owned and they kept a, one of
[1:57:23] the Camaro race cars for testing and stuff out there
[1:57:26] in the old good year garage. Guess who used to
[1:57:30] maintain that car. Yours truly. So I'm very familiar with
[1:57:34] the term Penske perfect. Which has me a little bit
[1:57:40] concerned. And I brought these concerns up many times and
[1:57:44] a lot of this over 40 plus years of this
[1:57:47] city. What concerns me about this is not so much
[1:57:54] of what the project's going to do left or right
[1:57:57] or up or down. It's how we present that. We
[1:58:03] should have when we're coming up, and I've noticed this
[1:58:07] in a lot of them, the presentations made by the
[1:58:10] ones by the city staff and the project planners that
[1:58:15] are proposing these things back in the day used to
[1:58:18] be much better and much more specific of what. The
[1:58:22] effects were going to be, good, bad and indifferent. Do
[1:58:27] we know how many people are coming in? Are we
[1:58:30] going to do this part? What part are these companies
[1:58:34] coming in going to do the uplift the community. So
[1:58:41] much we hear so much more. It's just the arguing,
[1:58:45] hollering and back and forth. Instead of everybody working. To
[1:58:51] make our home better for everybody. Business has got to
[1:58:57] make money. I say that all the time. The only
[1:58:59] no one color in that screen. So the purpose of
[1:59:05] our public policy is to make sure that there's a
[1:59:10] benefit to the community when they come in. Because this
[1:59:13] is the basic shot you got to do it. So
[1:59:20] hopefully in the future companies like Penske, entities like the
[1:59:27] city of Marina Valley. Will give us better presentations and
[1:59:32] more information so you can make better informed decisions. Because
[1:59:36] like I've said many times up here. Comfortable with any
[1:59:39] decision that's made as long as it's made on complete
[1:59:43] and accurate information. And so many times we don't, and
[1:59:47] especially now we don't get that. And I think that's
[1:59:49] what causes a lot of the angst in the community
[1:59:53] and what you hear at these meetings. One day, maybe
[1:59:56] we'll fix it. Thank you. Our next speaker is Hefkotz
[2:00:05] followed by Manuel Topelli. Evening commissioner staff audience. Anybody listening
[2:00:13] out there in the world. I'm going to surprise everybody.
[2:00:17] Gosh, you know I come up here most of the
[2:00:19] time against most things. Okay. I won't say I'm against
[2:00:24] this or for this, but I would like to give
[2:00:26] a little history of what that property has been used
[2:00:28] for in the past. I first came out here in
[2:00:31] 1977. Alright. March Air Force Base was what? Number one.
[2:00:37] They did anything they wanted to. They could have emanated
[2:00:40] the soil with operations they had out here cleaning companies.
[2:00:44] They clean uniforms on a mass scale. What was the
[2:00:49] property used for later on in life? Okay. It's been
[2:00:52] vacant for how many decades. It was used for an
[2:00:56] auction yard. Where they brought in caterpillars, tractors, semi trucks.
[2:01:02] And they set their on the ground for a month's
[2:01:05] own in leaking stuff into the soil. Nobody raised one
[2:01:10] word about that. They just let it happen. They don't
[2:01:13] do that anymore. Uh, they got to be small business
[2:01:16] around there. But here we have a national company, probably
[2:01:20] international company. I know Mr. Pinsky from what he does.
[2:01:25] And Pinsky themselves does a lot for the community that
[2:01:28] they're in. Okay. They're setting back here saying they will
[2:01:31] clean up the pollution that they're at their expense. That's
[2:01:35] a good thing. Right? Um, they're going to have employees.
[2:01:41] Yes, they will hire some locals, but they'll have some
[2:01:44] people that will move in. That's just the nature of
[2:01:47] the beast. We as a city, I don't think can
[2:01:50] dictate that all 31 of those people have to come
[2:01:52] from arena valley. That is not lawful. We can't dictate
[2:01:55] their employment policies. Okay. Um, what else? Good things. Um,
[2:02:02] they pointed out they have a lot of community activities
[2:02:04] blood drives, the peak program, some of the other ones
[2:02:07] on there. They didn't mention something I'm aware of because
[2:02:12] I work with charities. They have programs where charities can
[2:02:17] sign a contract and they can do all the paperwork
[2:02:19] they need to do and go in occasionally if they
[2:02:22] need a truck. And get it at a discount rate
[2:02:25] or sometimes free to go pick up stuff to bring
[2:02:28] into the city to give out to people. That's a
[2:02:31] good thing. So they can't stand up here and tell
[2:02:34] you every community event that they support. But worldwide, pinski
[2:02:41] supports. Everything most of the time good. Have they done
[2:02:45] bad things? Sure. Every big company will. If you're a
[2:02:49] multi - billion dollar company, you're going to have mistakes.
[2:02:54] Okay. Things happen. I would say another word happens. But
[2:02:57] it happens. So I don't know why we're giving them
[2:03:01] such grief other than people want to ask questions. I'll
[2:03:05] call it politicking. Okay. Let's face it. Thank you. Thank
[2:03:12] you. Our next speaker is Manuel Topelli. Manuel Topete is
[2:03:21] my name. They call me memo. I'm a business owner
[2:03:23] here, Marino Valley for 36 years, but I've been a
[2:03:26] resident of Marino Valley for 54 years. Now here's the
[2:03:30] thing. I live right down the street from this project
[2:03:32] is getting done. You guys are abusing. First of all,
[2:03:35] you ain't spent a penny on anybody in Edgemont. We
[2:03:38] got no lights. We got people getting killed on Alessandro
[2:03:41] Boulevard. We just had a shooting. You guys are doing
[2:03:45] nothing for the community. I've been in the same corner
[2:03:48] 36 years. People say you're not going to make it
[2:03:49] in that corner. And guess what? 15 years ago I
[2:03:53] came on this stage and I spoke out about another
[2:03:55] developer just like this one. Highland Fairview. Okay. The next
[2:04:00] day I was home invasioned. My teeth were knocked out.
[2:04:03] My wife was tied up. And I was beat up
[2:04:05] and no suspects. Now this is the problem. You guys
[2:04:08] do not hold these developers accountable. As a merino valley
[2:04:12] resident. You three up there who laughed at me and
[2:04:14] blocked me on Facebook. Need to be held accountable. It's
[2:04:17] time you guys move on and let young blood get
[2:04:20] in there and do what needs to be done in
[2:04:22] this city. Dejouned. Let's find out why he got fired
[2:04:26] from the school district. Joanne, you announced you're running a
[2:04:33] meeting. Give every other person the same ability that's running
[2:04:37] for district to to come up here and say I'm
[2:04:39] running in front of everybody. This is a TV ad
[2:04:42] right here. And you're using it illegally. Where is the
[2:04:46] people's safety in Edgemont. As much the original original capital
[2:04:52] of Marino Valley. When you get up, when you get
[2:04:54] off the freeway and you get off that freeway and
[2:04:57] you see where are we in Mexicali. That is embarrassing
[2:05:00] that you take our taxpayer funds. I want to know
[2:05:02] where our taxpayer funds are going. The east side where
[2:05:05] it's empty where ito is, is fucking nice. Brand new
[2:05:08] lights, LEDs. And what do we got? Yellow lights. You
[2:05:12] complain about a light. They change it like this and
[2:05:14] put another yellow light in. You need to hold these
[2:05:16] developers accountable. They come up here. They screw with your
[2:05:19] head. Somehow an envelope gets in your guys'pocket and we
[2:05:23] get screwed. Now this is the thing. It's got to
[2:05:26] stop right now. Penske's going to do nothing for edge
[2:05:28] one. Nothing. There's no room for trucks. There's no lights.
[2:05:32] There's nothing for them to come in to edge one
[2:05:34] and do what you guys need to do is finish
[2:05:36] the bathroom and edjuand that you guys have been working
[2:05:38] on for three months. Police don't come. Fire department don't
[2:05:41] come. Let's get everybody held accountable. And I don't want
[2:05:44] to go home and get home invasion again. Because no
[2:05:48] suspects. Alright? So who's working with who? I know there
[2:05:53] watching this. I need help. I can't do this by
[2:05:55] myself. People are scared. I'm not scared. I'm here to
[2:05:58] tell you I'm going to hold you guys accountable. Manual
[2:06:03] stares been there 36 years against all odds. I made
[2:06:06] it. I've been robbed over 30 times. Over 40 crimes
[2:06:09] against me. Not one has been solved. You guys want
[2:06:12] me out of hedge. One. So you can knock it
[2:06:14] down. You illegally rezone my property from commercial or residential.
[2:06:18] I lost over a million dollars. Nobody's sticking up for
[2:06:20] me. Why? Somebody watching me. I know. Thank you.
[2:06:31] Do we have any other speakers. We have no more
[2:06:34] speaker cards, chair. Good. All right. If there's no more
[2:06:41] speakers, then. We'll off that up the applicant, an opportunity
[2:06:46] to come back up and maybe respond to comments if
[2:06:50] you like. Thank you, Commissioners. And if there's anything specific
[2:06:59] that you would like to direct me to address, I'm
[2:07:01] happy to do so. Um, I think just to close,
[2:07:05] I'd like to remind everyone that this has been a
[2:07:08] very robust and comprehensive project processing. Timeline. Um, this project
[2:07:14] went through. SQL review. All environmental impacts identified. We're either
[2:07:20] mitigated or determined to be less than significant. As to
[2:07:24] the air quality issues that folks were alluding to this
[2:07:27] project individually and cumulatively is below all thresholds for health
[2:07:32] risk, for lifetime cancer risk. All of those analyses are
[2:07:36] performed. That's all part of the record before you this
[2:07:38] evening. All those conclusions were developed by independent SQL consultant.
[2:07:43] That's not a Penske document. Those are qualified experts coming
[2:07:46] to those conclusions. Everything has been done in accordance with
[2:07:50] the law. Specifically the environmental quality act. And so I
[2:07:53] do want to emphasize that there were no corners cut
[2:07:57] here. Um, this project went through a very robust and
[2:08:00] rigorous review. We worked for several years with city staff
[2:08:04] on this project. We did not make haste to come
[2:08:06] before you with something that was incomplete. If the, um,
[2:08:10] I can address specifically. I'm happy to do so. Thank
[2:08:14] you. I would like to touch on the disposable waste.
[2:08:18] Uh, where does that going to go? Because I mean,
[2:08:19] they said that nobody really answered that question. Can you
[2:08:22] answer that question? Yes. Absolutely. So again, a project is
[2:08:26] always obligated to comply with the law. That's not a
[2:08:29] condition of approval. That is a background requirement of doing
[2:08:32] any business. And in disposing of hazardous waste, you have
[2:08:36] obligations to comply with local fire code, coupa regulations and
[2:08:40] overlying state health and safety codes and statutes, all of
[2:08:43] which the operation must comply with to remain operational. And
[2:08:47] we'll do so. Thank you very much.
[2:09:00] All right. We'll now close the public testimony section at
[2:09:04] 804 PM and moving to deliberations.
[2:09:28] You know, I don't know the deal here on Edmond.
[2:09:31] I know they feel like it's a stepchild, but. I
[2:09:36] don't let this project has to do with edgemon on
[2:09:38] the other side of Alessandro. But, um, all I can
[2:09:42] say is my experience with Pinsky's been very good because
[2:09:45] I've worked with them on the corporate level. And they
[2:09:48] do what they said they're going to do. So I
[2:09:51] like the project. I think it's going to be an
[2:09:54] asset to that part of the town down there. I
[2:09:58] know a lot of people don't agree with that. But
[2:09:59] I think it's going to be an asset. So that's
[2:10:02] where I'm at on it. Okay. Thank you. And my
[2:10:06] understanding is, is that the soil was contaminated long before.
[2:10:11] And they're going to clean all that up. As far
[2:10:15] as the houses that are there and they're very close
[2:10:19] to other warehousing, that's Riverside. Anything on that old 215
[2:10:26] on the other side, that's all Riverside. Riverside put that
[2:10:29] up there way before anybody could even build anything in
[2:10:33] adjunct. Because edgemont's infrastructure was not very good at all.
[2:10:39] Once they started building there, they kind of been able
[2:10:41] to tie in. So bottom line is, is that for
[2:10:45] us to get the blame on all those warehouses, those
[2:10:48] weren't ours. They're not ours. So the demographics there is
[2:10:51] totally off for people to say that that's what we're
[2:10:54] building on there. And, uh, this is actually a business.
[2:10:57] This is not a warehouse. This is a business. And,
[2:11:02] uh. You can't build too much on the. You've got
[2:11:07] bass right by there. So they can't even put solar.
[2:11:11] I mean, they would put solar if they could. I
[2:11:13] mean, I just, uh, and they are employing a lot
[2:11:17] of people because they're actually got a contract with, um,
[2:11:22] WABAS. So by even seeing that, I basically, um, don't
[2:11:30] know what else could actually really go there. You can't
[2:11:33] put a shopping center there. So let's get that out
[2:11:36] of our heads right now. I don't believe we could
[2:11:39] put a shopping center there and have, you know, people
[2:11:42] there. So, um, they're not really going to be causing
[2:11:45] a lot of traffic because it's not like, um, a
[2:11:48] U - Haul. U - Haul's coming in and out
[2:11:50] all the time. And they are supplying other people that
[2:11:55] are already in our city. They're doing business with Penske.
[2:11:59] Maybe they don't have the penske logo on there. Like
[2:12:02] he said, but I'm sure that they are doing that.
[2:12:05] So a lot of people, they get very upset. They
[2:12:07] storm out. They do whatever, you know. And anybody can
[2:12:10] come up to the diocese and say whatever they want.
[2:12:13] But, um, when I walked in here, I came in
[2:12:18] with like a bad taste in my mouth with Penske.
[2:12:21] I really did. And I wanted to hear everything. That's
[2:12:24] why I asked question after question after question. Because I
[2:12:27] want to make sure that I make a good informed
[2:12:30] decision. That's my job up here. People don't like it.
[2:12:34] It's not a popular thing to be. It's not a
[2:12:36] popularity contest. I really don't care. I have to do
[2:12:40] what I feel is right for the city that I
[2:12:43] live in and have been here for 40 years. I'm
[2:12:46] not somebody to just move here. TF5, 10 years ago.
[2:12:50] I've been here a long time. I know what Edgemont
[2:12:53] looked like. And hopefully we can start getting better businesses.
[2:12:57] That's why he said I would like the aesthetics to
[2:12:59] look really nice coming into the city. Because it has
[2:13:03] been a blight there for so long. You've got, I
[2:13:07] know exactly what you got next door because I used
[2:13:09] to go there all the time. To, uh, service my
[2:13:13] car. I know the owners of that place. But there's
[2:13:16] not much you can do if it's an auto body
[2:13:18] place. You know, you can't really do much there. But
[2:13:21] that's my, my concern is if we could at least
[2:13:24] make it look nice. And it's coming into our side
[2:13:27] of town. Like I said, the other side of town,
[2:13:30] Riverside has always done what they wanted. And then we
[2:13:33] can do about it. And a lot of people are
[2:13:35] wondering why those houses are out of compliance. That's why.
[2:13:38] That's why Ishmael that it's out of compliance. Those houses.
[2:13:43] That's why, because Riverside just put all them warehouses there.
[2:13:51] Well, this is all basically, I think this is the
[2:13:54] only thing that can basically be a value to the
[2:13:57] city to even go there. And like I said, once
[2:14:00] I heard that wall bash has a huge contract with
[2:14:03] them in a valley, they're employing them. And not that,
[2:14:09] you know, I just, you know, I think it's going
[2:14:13] to be a good fit for that area because they're
[2:14:16] going to clean it up. All those things that were
[2:14:20] there were prior. To them even getting on there. And
[2:14:24] they're going to clean up all that stuff. And as
[2:14:26] far as the lawsuit, they're going to have to put
[2:14:28] the fight just like we had the fire put to
[2:14:30] us by the attorney general. They're going to have their
[2:14:35] feet to the fire and a magnifying glass on them.
[2:14:38] And that's just the way it is. When something like
[2:14:40] that happens, believe me, they're not going to let them
[2:14:44] skip or, or do anything. So I'm leaning toward, um,
[2:14:49] voting for it. You got some.
[2:15:00] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I hear
[2:15:05] a lot of things. It's, um, sometimes it does get
[2:15:08] emotional. This is my 57th year in the city. And,
[2:15:15] uh, I used to live right on the corner band
[2:15:17] day, lived there for years, walked back and forth from
[2:15:20] band day to marina Valley High School on a daily
[2:15:22] basis. So Edmond is really where I started. When actually
[2:15:28] the 215 wasn't the old 215, it was a 215.
[2:15:32] He's drive up and down the 215 run. Yeah. Yeah.
[2:15:35] Oh, 395. And it changed to the 215. It was
[2:15:38] before it turned into a street. I think one of
[2:15:43] the things that happens here is there's two things. Laws
[2:15:47] do change. And we have, uh, if people don't know
[2:15:50] what A luck is, that's the, uh, airport. I didn't
[2:15:53] get that right airport land use commission. Over the years.
[2:16:00] Some of that has changed because March Air Forces there
[2:16:04] back in, you could put houses there right now with
[2:16:07] the new laws, most of the edgemod wouldn't even be
[2:16:09] there because you couldn't put houses there because of the
[2:16:12] planes flying over it. Um, you know, we get a
[2:16:15] lot of folks. We actually get the same folks that
[2:16:18] come in and, you know, their environmentalists and they, you
[2:16:22] know, everything would be nice if they were parks. You
[2:16:25] know, and waters and lakes and dog parks and stuff
[2:16:29] like that. But I really don't think someone's going to
[2:16:31] spend millions of dollars on a piece of land and
[2:16:34] put a park there. Um, it'd be nice. If every
[2:16:38] place there was a warehouse. It was a park, but
[2:16:40] people do come to the city to put businesses in.
[2:16:44] The thing that people have to understand is this. We
[2:16:47] do have land that is business park. We do have
[2:16:50] lens that is designated for commercial. We do have land
[2:16:53] that is specified for those uses. And we got to
[2:17:01] understand if that's what's going to, that's going to happen.
[2:17:04] You know, it can't stop every commercial building and every
[2:17:08] business part from coming in the marino valley. I wish
[2:17:11] to, you know, be great as all houses. One of
[2:17:14] the things also was that we are, we are evolving
[2:17:19] into, for instance, you build apartments. You can't wash your
[2:17:25] car at an apartment because unless you can somehow get
[2:17:28] that hose in your window and out to where your
[2:17:31] car is parked. It's not going to happen. Because you're
[2:17:35] not going to plug F and an apartment at a
[2:17:38] general faucet and the apartment's going to pay for that
[2:17:40] water. Um, because you're washing your car. Those, I think
[2:17:44] we put up 179. Every time we build apartments, every
[2:17:48] time we put that type of use here in the
[2:17:51] sea, a couple of things are going to happen. I
[2:17:54] mean, we're looking for storage. And then we're looking to
[2:17:57] wash their car. There's a couple of other things that's
[2:17:59] going to happen. And I get it. I get it
[2:18:03] that Marino Valley used to be this very small place.
[2:18:05] I've been in this city longer than anybody in this
[2:18:08] building. No? Okay. Longer than anybody in this building and
[2:18:15] I get it. It's changing. I think right now we're
[2:18:17] the 44th largest city in California. And we're still growing.
[2:18:22] And we still have a lot of land out to
[2:18:23] the east and it's going to grow even more. And
[2:18:26] growing, you've heard it. There are growing pains. I get
[2:18:30] that. However, like I said, I've said this before, that
[2:18:35] dirt is going to turn into something. And I wish
[2:18:38] it could be houses. I wish it could. But that,
[2:18:41] that, that the A luck laws have changed. You can't
[2:18:43] put houses there anymore. Can't even put, you know, solar
[2:18:47] panels there because of the glare. You can't build certain
[2:18:50] things that have glare that would obstruct the landing or
[2:18:53] takeoff a plane. And that's change. And guess what folks?
[2:18:57] We have to change with that. We do. Um, you
[2:19:03] know, I, I, I wish we could stay the same.
[2:19:06] And, you know, the poor guy that had the horse
[2:19:08] and buggy, then somebody decided to invent a motorized car.
[2:19:13] And then if he didn't change or, you know, before
[2:19:15] Pac Bell or Marbelle was back and somebody decided to
[2:19:20] create fiber optics. And guess what? You have to change.
[2:19:23] I remember using Thomas guides and paper maps. And then
[2:19:26] pretty soon somebody comes along and now I can use
[2:19:28] my, uh, right there under my screen on my computer.
[2:19:32] You have to change. So, um. One of the things
[2:19:39] that the planning commission is, um. Tasks to do is
[2:19:45] if we were to look at a project and say,
[2:19:47] we're going to deny a project, we have to look
[2:19:49] at very specific things to do that. And it isn't
[2:19:52] that we can just say, well, I, I don't want
[2:19:54] it there. There's too many of them. Stuff like that.
[2:19:58] We can create lawsuits for the city. You know, and
[2:20:03] we don't want to do that. We don't want to
[2:20:05] do that either because guess what? Now we're harming the
[2:20:07] city as well. Um. I looked at the project and
[2:20:13] I'm like, wow. I, you know, I actually glad that
[2:20:17] things are going in the edge mark because that was
[2:20:20] one of the last frontiers that seem like a lot
[2:20:24] of development skipped. And went into the, into the city
[2:20:29] and just edmont stayed older until we started coming up
[2:20:32] days tree. And there's portillos and all that. And that's
[2:20:35] fantastic. For me myself, I'm for the project. I think
[2:20:42] it's great. We got to, now we have, and please
[2:20:46] forgive me the quein phrase. We have, we have the
[2:20:51] high end U - Haul. You know, and yeah, this
[2:20:59] apples down. But, um, like my colleague said that my
[2:21:03] car is more like the pinski and she's driving the
[2:21:06] U - Haul, you know, Murner Valley does want better
[2:21:09] things here. We absolutely do. And we want higher in
[2:21:14] businesses here. And we want people that thrive and we
[2:21:17] want people to get hired and stuff like that. And
[2:21:20] we don't want everything that gets stopped. I just want
[2:21:24] people to understand. Just get that like in your heads.
[2:21:28] That empty land is going to go. And if it's
[2:21:31] zoned for that. They're coming. Because we're putting up houses.
[2:21:36] We're putting up apartments and people need to have jobs.
[2:21:39] It's going to happen. Now again, everything is not going
[2:21:43] to go through the approval process. Um, but when somebody
[2:21:46] comes in and they're dotting eyes and they're crossing tees
[2:21:50] and they're helping clean up trash that we have created
[2:21:53] a long, long time ago, that's a good thing. And
[2:21:56] guess what? Lawsuits are also good things just like some
[2:21:59] of the losses that we see. It puts people on
[2:22:02] point. You have to do the things that are prescribed
[2:22:05] within the lawsuit. And that's a good thing. I'd rather
[2:22:07] the lawsuits that they had happened before it came here.
[2:22:11] And then we have to do it. No, it's a
[2:22:14] good thing. And so that's my two cents. I like
[2:22:18] the project. I just have a closing thing to say,
[2:22:21] even though, um, in a roundabout way, the way I
[2:22:24] see it, um, they may not be actually, it's for
[2:22:28] Pansky, but it isn't just for Penske because their employee,
[2:22:32] by the gentleman that came up, I'll go back to
[2:22:35] the wall bash. They are actually working with Penske. Then
[2:22:39] the other ones working with Penske that are in this
[2:22:41] city. So they are actually providing a need in the
[2:22:47] area for, and that's not, you know, they're not going
[2:22:51] to come here unless it is economically viable for them.
[2:22:55] To be able to come here. They're not going to
[2:22:57] put a big old Penske hub here simply because they're
[2:23:00] not going to do good business within the city, within
[2:23:04] the surrounding area. So I just think it's actually, um,
[2:23:09] a good thing. And there is a need for it.
[2:23:14] So that's where I'm at with. You know, it's kind
[2:23:21] of like what the online shopping, you know, the more
[2:23:24] we online shop. These stores don't have storefronts and they're
[2:23:29] going to have to put their stuff somewhere. And that
[2:23:31] means a warehouse. We want our stuff to show up
[2:23:35] at our front doors. We want our ease. We want
[2:23:38] the convenience. But we want, do we don't want the
[2:23:40] growing pains that go along with that. We got to
[2:23:43] get out of that line of thinking. Um, what do
[2:23:47] you got? Well, the only thing I would say is
[2:23:49] besides wall bash. I'm sure they buy tires locally and
[2:23:53] the lubricants and all that's going to come out of
[2:23:55] Marino Valley somehow. At least the general area. So it's
[2:23:58] not only what they're doing. It's kind of vulp a
[2:24:02] bunch of other businesses. I'm sure you buy maybe by
[2:24:06] contract. But it'll eventually like wall bashes a big deal
[2:24:11] there for them. And, um, it's a dominance. Yeah. I'm
[2:24:14] glad. Yeah. I think it is a domino effect. So
[2:24:16] I think it's a good deal. Do a motion or.
[2:24:22] Okay. Let's move on this adopt resolution. How about this
[2:24:28] one right here? Yeah. Resolution, um, 2026 - 28. Then
[2:24:33] also adopting the initial study mitigated negative declaration prepared for
[2:24:38] the plot plan PEN 22 - 0250, which is completed
[2:24:47] and compliance with SEQA and the SQL guidelines and reflects
[2:24:51] the planning commissions independent judgment and analysis of the proposed
[2:24:58] project potential environmental projects and also adopting the, uh, mitigation
[2:25:05] and monitoring and reporting program prepared for the proposed projects,
[2:25:10] potential environmental impacts. We're going to adopt resolution 2026 -
[2:25:16] 29 at proving the plot plan PEN 220250 subject to
[2:25:23] the attached conditions of approval included and exhibit A on
[2:25:28] the resolution 2026 - 29. And as shown in the
[2:25:34] approved plan. And I'll second that. We have a vote.
[2:25:52] Alright. The motion does carry. Uh, do we have a
[2:25:55] staff wrap up. Yes, we do chair. The motion passes
[2:26:00] 30, the project is approved. There is now a 10
[2:26:04] - day appeal period. Any person who wishes to appeal
[2:26:07] the project must submit an appeal application and the required
[2:26:10] fee to the community development department within 10 calendar days
[2:26:16] of the hearing. Thank you. All right. The next item
[2:26:20] on the agenda's item number two, which is a plot
[2:26:23] plan, which is PEN 22 - 0215 in district one.
[2:26:31] Do we have a staff report. Thank you, Chair. We
[2:26:36] have given the presentation today our associate planner. Our associate
[2:26:45] planner. I would like to hang on just one second.
[2:26:47] I'd like to rewind the public to please remain respectful.
[2:26:52] And please allow us to speak so that we can
[2:26:54] hear what's going on. This is a hearing. Just a
[2:26:58] reminder. Thank you, Chair. Our associate planner, Dijun Patel, will
[2:27:06] be presenting the next item. Good evening, Chairman and members
[2:27:12] of the Planning Commission. Dijun Patel Associate Planner. The project
[2:27:17] before you this evening is to request to consider a
[2:27:20] plot plan for the development of a new 4, 767
[2:27:25] square foot automated car wash. And associate parking and landscape
[2:27:31] improvements. The proposed project is permitted used by write subject
[2:27:35] to the upper wall of a plot plan. Staff has
[2:27:38] reviewed the project for consistency with the development standards and
[2:27:42] provisions set for the in the city citizen municipal code.
[2:27:50] The proposed project is located on the east side of
[2:27:52] pigeon pass road between ironwood, avenue and hemlock avenue. The
[2:27:57] site is located within the community commercial CC zone which
[2:28:02] allows the use. So rounding land users include an apartment
[2:28:06] development to the north, a home depot to the west.
[2:28:10] A commercial shopping center to the south and a storage
[2:28:13] facility to the east. The prepose project involves development of
[2:28:21] 4, 767 square foot single - story commercial building. For
[2:28:24] the operation of an automated car wash on a 1.
[2:28:27] 02 acre vacant parcel. The project site is accessible via
[2:28:32] two new drivers along the northeast side of pigeon passroad.
[2:28:36] The sudden driveway allows both entry and exit. While non
[2:28:40] - driver is for exit only. Both the drivers also
[2:28:45] serve as the project sites, emergency access route. Redestrian walkways
[2:28:49] are uprotted throughout the project site for adequate pedestrian circulation.
[2:28:54] The side provides total of 29 on - site parking
[2:28:56] spaces, including 25 standard parking. With vacuum stations, 4 employee
[2:29:03] spaces, and 2 AD spaces with 1 for the standard
[2:29:08] use and one for the employees. The number and the
[2:29:12] type of parking spaces complies with the immensible code requirements.
[2:29:20] Reply's project features a modern commercial design featuring a mix
[2:29:23] of high quality materials and distinctive architectural elements. Exterior surface
[2:29:30] will be finished with smooth sand floor stucco painted and
[2:29:33] corniate color schemes of page, white, orange red, warm -
[2:29:37] up and brown tones, resulting in a genuified visually appealing
[2:29:41] facade. The project includes a comprehensive landscape plan with landscape
[2:29:49] setbacks, parking lot landscape landscaping, street trees and perimeter plantings
[2:29:54] around the project site. The proposed landscaping is indetted to
[2:29:59] enhance the oral appearance and experience of the development while
[2:30:03] complying with the city's municipal code for landscaping requirements. Following
[2:30:07] the further review staff has requested the addition and modification
[2:30:11] of conditions of approval, planning condition number 10, staff has
[2:30:16] requested a condition number 10 be modified to address noise
[2:30:19] associated with the drive - thru operation. Under the proposed
[2:30:22] condition, the project would utilize a silent strike system and
[2:30:26] also the noise level should not exceed the 55 decibels
[2:30:31] at any time beyond the property line consistent with the
[2:30:34] applicable provisions of the municipal code. Staff also requested the
[2:30:41] addition of conditions. For the site access and driver design.
[2:30:47] The prepose driveways would be required to confirm to the
[2:30:52] city's standard plan for commercial driveway approaches. Access would be
[2:30:56] provided as follows. Dry V1, notherly right turn out ecrest
[2:31:00] only. Drive it to southerly right in, right out only.
[2:31:05] Appropriate signing and strapping would be provided as required. The
[2:31:11] purpose project complies with the section 9. 0 to 0.
[2:31:14] 070 plot plan and on applicable development standards of the
[2:31:18] zoning code. Staff recommends that planning commission adopt resolution number
[2:31:23] 2026 - 02 and thereby determining that the plot plan
[2:31:27] 220215 is exempt from the prohibition of the CEQA. As
[2:31:33] a class 32 exemption info development. In accordance with SQL
[2:31:38] guidelines section 15332 and also approving the plot plan PEN22
[2:31:44] - 0215 subject to the attach conditions of approval included
[2:31:49] as exhibit A of resolution number 2026 - 2 and
[2:31:53] as amended. To public comments have been receipt for the
[2:31:57] project. This concludes staff's presentation. I'm available for any questions.
[2:32:02] Also present with us tonight is the applicant steam as
[2:32:05] well. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any commissioner questions
[2:32:09] for staff. Um, while reading through this
[2:32:19] I saw a couple things that don't really seem to
[2:32:23] see this all the time. Did this... Did I read
[2:32:26] this correctly it says that the proposed project is consistent
[2:32:30] with the goals, objective, policies and programs of the general
[2:32:34] plan. Alright the proposed project, this is a question is
[2:32:42] correct, the proposed project complies what all's zoning in other
[2:32:47] regulations. So that's correct. So, okay.
[2:32:58] Yeah, not bad. Any questions. Alright, we're going to now
[2:33:06] open up the public testimony at 828 PM. And what
[2:33:11] the applicant like to speak.
[2:33:25] Good afternoon chairman, dejeunette and members of the Moreno Valley
[2:33:29] Planning Commission, uh, it's a pleasure to present to you
[2:33:32] this evening. Allow me to introduce myself. My name is
[2:33:36] Michael Paul's. I'm the applicant's representative. With me this evening.
[2:33:40] Um, are the, or is the architect of record Mr.
[2:33:44] Andrew Pisterico as well as the property owner Mr. Ahmed
[2:33:48] Serrafi. This gentleman. Uh, to begin my presentation, uh, we're
[2:33:56] proposing a quiet environmentally friendly water saving car wash, uh,
[2:34:00] which consists of 4, 767 square feet of car wash
[2:34:05] building in conjunction with 25 quiet vacuum stalls. Our proposed
[2:34:12] car wash utilizes state of the art equipment, which recycles
[2:34:16] up to 90 percent of the water used in the
[2:34:18] wash process. The proposed vacuum stalls incorporate an exceptionally quiet
[2:34:24] centralized vacuum system, which will be completely enclosed inside a
[2:34:28] building. Again, um, as articulated by staff, uh, our request
[2:34:36] is consistent with the goals objectives of the general plan
[2:34:40] and the project also complies with all of the development
[2:34:43] standards of the zoning code and underlying community commercial zoning
[2:34:46] designation, which permits car washes as a principally permitted use.
[2:34:52] I'd like to, uh, discuss some of the community benefits.
[2:34:55] Um, associated with car washes. Uh, car wash capacity. Uh,
[2:35:02] is underrepresented, uh, in the surrounding community. The closest express
[2:35:06] car wash is the GO car wash on Frederick Street,
[2:35:11] a small - ish car wash approximately half a mile
[2:35:14] south, uh, which comprises 13 vacuum stalls for customer use,
[2:35:20] um, the next closest would be the eye wash, uh,
[2:35:23] express smallish, excuse me, accessory car wash located approximately one
[2:35:28] mile from the subsight and provides eight vacuum stalls. And
[2:35:34] the lastly, uh, the closest comparable express car wash is
[2:35:39] the quick quack car wash, uh, which is located approximately
[2:35:42] 1. 5 miles from the subject site. I'd also like
[2:35:46] to point out that there are no express car washes
[2:35:49] north of the 60 freeway. So the question offer often
[2:35:54] arises, why are car wash is important to a community?
[2:35:59] Well, the simple answer is the car washes save water.
[2:36:04] And they removed pollutants that would otherwise be washed off
[2:36:07] the car if a car were to be washed in
[2:36:10] the street or, or in a driveway. In this world
[2:36:15] in which we live where water is becoming a scarcity,
[2:36:19] new automatic car washes are viewed as an important environmentally
[2:36:23] friendly drought tolerant use. And let me give you an
[2:36:30] example of why car washes are important. When we service
[2:36:36] a car, when we wash a car, we use anywhere
[2:36:38] between five and 12 gallons of water during the wash
[2:36:41] process. The remainder is recycled. If an individual were to
[2:36:45] wash their vehicle in their driveway, should they have a
[2:36:48] driveway? Um, they would be using anywhere between 80 and
[2:36:53] 120 gallons and up to 200 gallons of water. That
[2:36:57] water that in this driveway wash or a street wash,
[2:37:02] um, would wash all the soap, would wash all the
[2:37:05] brake dust, the oil, the grit that collects on the
[2:37:08] car. All of that would flow into the curb and
[2:37:11] gutter system. And it would wind up in our storm
[2:37:15] drains, in our rivers, in lakes, and our local ocean
[2:37:19] environment. Um, whereas a single wash does not make that
[2:37:25] much of a difference. The tens of thousands, hundreds of
[2:37:29] thousands, millions of washes, uh, that occur in driveways and
[2:37:34] on streets, cumulatively are a, uh, are a major environmental
[2:37:39] issue in Southern California. When we wash a car, um,
[2:37:46] all of those constituents, all of that pollution gets washed
[2:37:50] off the car. It gets collected in our recycling clarifier
[2:37:53] system. Um, and then it is disposed of in environmentally
[2:37:58] appropriate fashion. Some additional project information. Uh, the site is
[2:38:05] going to incorporate high definition security cameras providing 100 percent
[2:38:10] coverage of the entire property, both inside and out. We're
[2:38:14] going to be providing a DVR system, which is going
[2:38:17] to record the images and maintain them for a period
[2:38:19] of 60 days. We'll also be providing lighting, which will
[2:38:23] encompass the entire site, inclusive of the sidewalks along pigeon
[2:38:27] pass road, fronting the property without impacting adjacent and adjoining
[2:38:32] properties. We're going to incorporate solar rooftop solar, um, as
[2:38:39] part of the project. And I'd also like to indicate
[2:38:43] that this project represents over an eight million dollar investment
[2:38:46] in the Moreno Valley community, which utilizes again, state of
[2:38:50] art technologies. Uh, we will also be creating 15 new
[2:38:55] jobs in the community and give preference to Moreno Valley
[2:38:58] residents, especially those individuals that can walk bicycle or use
[2:39:02] public transportation. Incoming to work. Additionally, and most importantly, um,
[2:39:10] we're also providing marinal valley residents with a choice of
[2:39:13] selecting green, tolerance services within their own community. Um, with
[2:39:18] that, um, that concludes my presentation. I would like to
[2:39:22] make myself available for any questions. And, uh, I would
[2:39:26] also like to introduce the next speaker, the property owner,
[2:39:30] Mr. Ahmed Seraphi. Good evening, Council Members. Planning commission. My
[2:39:38] name is Amedsorafi. I am the applicant, the owner of
[2:39:41] the property, uh, in question. And I just wanted to
[2:39:43] come up here for a few minutes and want to
[2:39:45] introduce myself to you as a aspiring new business owner
[2:39:49] in the city as well as the developer and the
[2:39:52] builder of the project. A couple of things that I
[2:39:55] just wanted to point out because these are important to
[2:39:58] me because the way I grew up and the way
[2:40:02] I lived my life is because you do things right
[2:40:06] the first time. I've been around many projects, many developments
[2:40:11] where people cut corners. And they spend a lifetime fixing
[2:40:15] things. Right. I have built and been part of a
[2:40:19] very large project teams. I have built colleges civic centers,
[2:40:24] city halls. I've been part of a lot of public
[2:40:26] construction. I really understand the process and the benefit of
[2:40:31] building things right the first time. So a few things
[2:40:34] about me. I am not from out of the area.
[2:40:37] I live 20 minutes away in Rancho Cucamonga. I've lived
[2:40:40] in the Empire for getting close to 20 years now.
[2:40:43] I have been coming to Marina Valley for most of
[2:40:45] my life, whether it's going to, uh, the Air Force
[2:40:49] Base for air shows with my grandparents or attempting to
[2:40:52] learn how to water ski 40 years ago in Lake
[2:40:55] Paris, which was a disaster, uh, by itself. Um, a
[2:41:00] few things also that, um, when they talk about is,
[2:41:04] um, I already have a management team in place. One
[2:41:09] of my best friends, Carlos Prochtla here in the first
[2:41:11] row. He is also a citizen and living here in
[2:41:16] the city of Murneau Valley as well as his assistant
[2:41:19] manager also living in the city of Marino Valley as
[2:41:21] well. So my, my team has already started Carlos Springs
[2:41:27] 25, 30 years of retail experience of managing and operating
[2:41:31] some of the largest retail establishments and businesses in the
[2:41:35] country. And he's bringing that skill set to the car
[2:41:38] wash that we are going to be building here in
[2:41:39] Marino Valley. Carlos is also, and he can confirm this
[2:41:45] that, you know, our employees for this type of business
[2:41:49] are living in the community. And this type of business
[2:41:52] will bring in employees at a maximum of three miles
[2:41:55] from the property. Meaning all 15 employees most likely will
[2:41:59] be from Marino Valley. And the very strong chance and
[2:42:03] I will encourage Carlos to make sure as many of
[2:42:08] the employees as possible are from here in the community
[2:42:11] name. Another thing about me, I am not a 250
[2:42:17] billion dollar hedge fund. I don't have a quacky car
[2:42:21] wash with 200, 300 locations across the country. We are
[2:42:24] a small family company here on Sunday, California where we
[2:42:27] live, play, and work. And responsible for the communities that
[2:42:31] we also live in. Another thing I like to point
[2:42:34] out now these is an estimate and the numbers are
[2:42:38] not solid, but looking at our pro forma and our
[2:42:42] anticipated numbers. In terms of property tax and sales tax
[2:42:47] that we will bring to the city. We're hoping to
[2:42:49] hit on year one at least a hundred thousand dollars
[2:42:54] tax to the city, uh, at least 100, 000 dollars
[2:42:57] year one and growing from there on out, which would,
[2:43:00] I would hope to, uh. Provide, you know, whether city
[2:43:04] services or hiring additional staff or things like that. Another
[2:43:08] thing I like to point out also is when I
[2:43:11] build things, I do things the right way. I build
[2:43:15] with the best materials with my best contracts, my best
[2:43:18] people. Meaning my property will have solar panels, which, uh,
[2:43:24] Mr. Paul's already spoke about. We're not going to put
[2:43:28] cheap flimsy canopies over the vacuums. We're going to put
[2:43:31] structural steel panels over that. We're going to have 163
[2:43:35] solar panels generating up towards 75 percent of the power
[2:43:39] that we consume on site. Meaning for every kilowatt that
[2:43:43] we use, we will be generating three quarters of that
[2:43:48] on site. Meaning we're only going to be generating requiring
[2:43:52] a quarter of a comparable properties energy requirement. As for
[2:43:57] the environmental issue, I'm a big environmental in person. I
[2:44:01] recycle every bottle. You should see the back of my
[2:44:04] car. It's full of the plastic bottles. They all go
[2:44:06] through recycling center. And when it comes to the environmental
[2:44:11] issue on this, our equipment is electric. So we're not
[2:44:15] using, um, loud compressors. We're not using hydraulic oils. We're
[2:44:20] not using anything that can hurt the environment that way.
[2:44:23] Nothing is going to be seeping into the ground as
[2:44:25] well as our water recliimed system, which Mr. Paul spoke
[2:44:30] about. We will be recycling 90 percent of the water
[2:44:33] on site. And what is not recycled, uh, goes into
[2:44:38] three stage clarifier system. Which is part of my equipment
[2:44:41] package. I'm going to be spending close to 2 million
[2:44:44] dollars on just equipment alone for this property. Meaning water
[2:44:49] reclaim system reverse osmosis, the car wash equipment, the vacuum
[2:44:53] equipment, as well as, uh, high tech VFG dries for
[2:44:57] my vacuums to keep them extra quiet during the day
[2:44:59] as well. So, you know, I'm not here to cheap
[2:45:04] it and build quick, build fast, sell it, turn it
[2:45:08] over to someone and walk away. I live 25 minutes
[2:45:11] away. This is a business that is for me and
[2:45:14] my family. We've been in the community for the last
[2:45:17] 40, 50 years here in the inland empire. And I'm
[2:45:19] looking forward to working with the city, with the staff,
[2:45:23] with you members of the Planning Commission and anyone else
[2:45:27] to, to, uh, to be a productive and contributing member
[2:45:31] to the city as well. Thank you. Thank you. Are
[2:45:34] there any commissioner questions for the applicant? I'm not trying
[2:45:37] to make any comparison whatsoever with the operation that's there
[2:45:42] on Alessandro. And I believe it's Graham. Is it similar
[2:45:46] to that one. Um, I, if you would give me,
[2:45:50] it's the only great big car wash. We do have
[2:45:52] in this city. It's, it's really, it's a, you drive
[2:45:56] through it. And it's a big one. And then they
[2:45:59] have all that stalls. Does anybody beyond down there? Beyond.
[2:46:04] Is it called Bianca words? It started off some different
[2:46:07] owner. And I went to that when it first opened
[2:46:10] years ago. And then, um, I think they changed hands.
[2:46:14] Is that the one behind the gas station? No, no.
[2:46:16] It's been there for a long time. Is it Graham
[2:46:19] and or is it. Gramman Elisandro? Ram and Alessandro. And
[2:46:25] if you told me the name of the business, I
[2:46:27] would know it. It's probably a quick quack. It may
[2:46:31] be. Did it turn to quick whack? I haven't been
[2:46:33] on that area for a while. It wasn't quick back
[2:46:35] to begin with. Mr. Pauz is aware of the location.
[2:46:38] Yeah. Yes, I am aware of the site. The site
[2:46:41] was actually developed on, um, uh, it's kind of behind
[2:46:46] a little strip ball. It is behind somewhat of a
[2:46:49] strip mall. It's also built on a unique parcel of
[2:46:51] land that has, uh, the state water system that runs
[2:46:54] through it. So it's very limited. Um, is it similar.
[2:46:59] It's, it's, it's, yes or no. Yes and no. Um,
[2:47:03] it is similar in the sense that it is an
[2:47:06] express car wash, um, it's similar in that, uh, the
[2:47:10] requirements, uh, they're imposed by the state of California are
[2:47:13] similar to the requirements that, that, uh, will be imposed
[2:47:17] on this project. Uh, where it is not similar is
[2:47:20] the quality of the machinery, the quality of the car
[2:47:22] wash itself. The dryers, um, the, um, the, the investment,
[2:47:28] uh, that's being made by, by Mr. Sarah. I'm just
[2:47:31] trying to get a visual on what it kind of
[2:47:33] going to look like. Cause the quick wax look totally
[2:47:35] different. So when somebody said it was a quick crack,
[2:47:38] I didn't think it was a quick quack. They have
[2:47:39] a duck. Do they have a duck on their? I
[2:47:42] don't know. I don't need to go to the iron.
[2:47:43] I don't have a duck. I don't know about that,
[2:47:45] but I'm, I'm not in. You have a pigeon. An
[2:47:49] eagle, right? All the equipment that's going to my car
[2:47:52] wash is manufactured here and then I just wanted to
[2:47:55] know more or less what it's going to look like.
[2:47:57] Cause I know that there are different types of looks
[2:47:59] to the car washes. So when I develop property, I
[2:48:05] develop for the long term because I'm a long -
[2:48:07] term owner. Right. So meaning that the style and the
[2:48:11] design of the property would be consistent with something that
[2:48:14] you would see for the long camera in Southern California.
[2:48:17] If it's an apartment complex, it's built Spanish style with
[2:48:21] how roofs and white stucco. So it means like I
[2:48:25] don't want to go and have a quick gimmicky look
[2:48:28] that is. Okay for five or seven years. Then all
[2:48:32] of a sudden it's outdated and all that. I want
[2:48:33] something that's going to stamme the testament of time and
[2:48:37] have a design and look to it that will look
[2:48:40] good for the next 50 years versus the next five
[2:48:42] years. Right. So when I say my projects have red
[2:48:46] tile roofs, they have white stucco. They have traditional sun
[2:48:50] in the California landscape versus steel and glass and all
[2:48:55] this modernism that you see that looks good for a
[2:48:57] number of years, but times change some styles do. Some
[2:49:01] styles don't. So whatever I build, I like to have
[2:49:03] a timeless design to it. Okay. Yeah. Just the, I
[2:49:09] know that you're saying, yeah, the other one has windows.
[2:49:11] And you can see the car going through and stuff
[2:49:13] like that. I just want to kind of get how,
[2:49:16] you know, what it was going to look like. Okay.
[2:49:26] Did I catch that correct? We have two managers that.
[2:49:31] Are city residents, Carlos and, uh, okay. Carlos's wife. That's
[2:49:38] what I'm talking about, Carlos. The question is who's going
[2:49:43] to be the manager and who's going to be the
[2:49:44] assistant manner? Right. No, she's, she's managing it. Carlos, you
[2:49:50] got to come to work on time. Any other questions.
[2:49:55] Well, thank you. I appreciate it. All right. We're now
[2:50:01] moving the. Public comments. The clerk will call up on
[2:50:06] each person who has asked it to speak just a
[2:50:08] reminder. You have three minutes to speak. If you are
[2:50:10] speaking, just keep your eye on the timer that it
[2:50:13] would be just, uh, to your right there. Do we
[2:50:16] have any speakers. Yes, chair. We presently have three speaker
[2:50:19] cards. Our first speaker is Ishmael Gonzalez followed by Lisa
[2:50:24] Ariano, then followed by Tayana Forrest. Hello again. Um, let
[2:50:32] me begin by, uh, first saying with all due respect,
[2:50:36] I think, uh, from, as a resident, uh, I want
[2:50:39] to say same on all of you for that vote,
[2:50:43] uh, same, uh, commissioner baker, uh, specifically with all due
[2:50:48] respects here. I don't know you, but I think it
[2:50:50] was a saintful admission of you to say that you
[2:50:54] just worked for Penske and approved their project for the
[2:50:57] most historic place in Maryland Valley. I'm here looking at
[2:51:00] the settlement announcement. The district attorney Lauren R. Martini now
[2:51:06] of the environmental protection team. I hope that the residents
[2:51:10] are able to, I'm speaking to you all, Mirano Valley.
[2:51:13] I'm hoping you could talk to her and see what
[2:51:15] her thoughts are considering that Penske just settled for seven
[2:51:19] million, uh, I'm the Riverside location. That's the same. We
[2:51:24] just there's another facility not too far off. With this
[2:51:29] item. I think Commissioner Joanne Stefan sticked your guns. Please.
[2:51:37] You're the one that directed staff to take a look,
[2:51:40] uh, study system into these kinds of properties, uh, these
[2:51:44] types of uses with car washes. Again, 67 percent of
[2:51:49] 75 people residents said no to not wanting anymore. There
[2:51:54] are more than 18. Already in the city. I think
[2:51:59] that's very sainful, you know, uh, where are the diversity
[2:52:03] of businesses, the variety of businesses that, uh, you guys
[2:52:06] just approved in April, the general plan 2040, you guys
[2:52:10] indicate on so many fronts, um, let's see, land use
[2:52:16] character goals, economic goals, circulation goals, noise goals, environmental justice
[2:52:21] goals, healthy community goals. All of those are being affected
[2:52:24] by this proposal and the last. And it's really a
[2:52:27] shame that you guys approved all of this. You guys
[2:52:30] spent so much time. And now you guys are still
[2:52:34] considering projects that go against the general plan, uh, it's
[2:52:38] really, it breaks my heart to be honest, you know.
[2:52:42] I can't believe that we're even considering having more car
[2:52:45] washes here when there is a study sussing coming up.
[2:52:49] Where is that? Where are you guys like, can we
[2:52:51] get the ball moving on that please here we have
[2:52:54] another instance where there's a car wash. I looked on
[2:52:58] Google Maps to see where the next one is. There
[2:53:00] is an arco on Hemlock. I called that Arco. The
[2:53:05] worker there answered, I don't know who it is, but
[2:53:07] they did answer the Arcos number and they did tell
[2:53:10] me that they have a car wash there. It might
[2:53:12] be broken right now, but they do have it. And
[2:53:15] that's less than a thousand feet away from this proposal
[2:53:18] site. You are going to stick this project right next
[2:53:22] to apartments and homes within a hundred feet will be
[2:53:26] the closest resident. We are becoming the laughing stock of
[2:53:31] Riverside County. Dame. Thank you.
[2:53:42] Do you have any other speakers? Yes, sir. I'm sorry.
[2:53:45] Having a technical difficulty. Our next speaker is Lisa Ariano
[2:53:50] followed by Tatiana Flores. Thank you. Good evening planning commissioners.
[2:53:56] My name is Lisa Ariano and I'm a 26 year
[2:53:58] resident of Marina Valley and I've lived on the north
[2:54:01] side for the last 12 years. The proposed project would
[2:54:05] be something that I would pass every day going to
[2:54:07] and from work. And I'm speaking in opposition of this
[2:54:10] project. Over the last couple of months, I have been,
[2:54:14] um, meeting many residents, especially in district two and overwhelmingly,
[2:54:19] our residents are saying we have too many car washes
[2:54:21] in marina valley. Marino Valley residents want more useful and
[2:54:27] diverse businesses. I know the last speaker spoke about the
[2:54:30] various car washes in this area, but also somebody mentioned
[2:54:33] about a mile and a half up towards hemlock. There
[2:54:36] was a quick quick car wash that was open that
[2:54:40] is large in size comparable to this car wash. So
[2:54:43] I think that with this vacant land, we could be
[2:54:46] using it to support retail dining family services or another
[2:54:50] business meeting an unmet need in the community. I do
[2:54:54] understand that this, uh, area is a community commercial district
[2:54:58] intended to meet residence general shopping needs through a variety
[2:55:01] of businesses and services. And so I, what I didn't
[2:55:05] see in the staff report was a market demand for
[2:55:08] a car wash, a commercial saturation analysis. And so my
[2:55:12] main question to the planning commission is what evidence shows
[2:55:16] that another car wash meets an unmet need or contributes
[2:55:20] to the variety intended for this commercial corridor. This is
[2:55:24] a large car wash 25 stalls is, is, is a
[2:55:28] lot right next door is an apartment complex. And this
[2:55:31] business would basically be open every day. All day, every
[2:55:35] day seven days of the week. And I do understand
[2:55:37] that there's conditions to the project being approved that do
[2:55:41] address the noise, the disruptive activity, the vacuum sounds, the
[2:55:45] vehicles, the disturbances to the surrounding properties. But, and I
[2:55:49] am concerned about all of those, but I'm also concerned
[2:55:51] about the traffic. The area that this is going to
[2:55:54] be in is right in front of Home Depot in
[2:55:57] an area where there's numerous traffic accidents that happen annually
[2:56:01] because the stop sign or no light. So I, I
[2:56:04] would ask that you consider before even thinking about this
[2:56:08] project that you would consider the current inventory of operating,
[2:56:12] approved or pending car washes, a market demand and saturation
[2:56:16] analysis and clearer evidence about the noise traffic and compatibility
[2:56:21] with the neighboring apartments. Even though a use may be
[2:56:24] permitted, the commission must still determine whether it is the
[2:56:27] right use for this location and whether it advances the
[2:56:30] commercial diversity merino valley residents are asking for. Thank you.
[2:56:37] Thank you. Our next speaker is Tatiana Flores.
[2:56:49] If she's not here, we have no more speaker cards,
[2:56:51] chair. If they're no more speakers,
[2:57:01] we're going to close the public testimony at 852 PM
[2:57:06] and move into deliberations.
[2:57:28] Yeah. Go for it. Okay. Well, the thing is with,
[2:57:32] um, the car washes, if they're already coming down the
[2:57:37] pike and the developer wants to build what he wants
[2:57:40] to build, it meets all the requirements. What people don't
[2:57:43] understand sometimes is that we don't say what goes on
[2:57:49] somebody's property. Just like if you want to build on
[2:57:51] your property, you can build. And if it meets all
[2:57:55] the requirements and you've gone through all the planning, you
[2:57:58] can do it. And the thing is, is that area
[2:58:01] is zoned for that. It meets all the requirements. There
[2:58:07] is a shopping center right next door to it. It's
[2:58:10] been there for many, many years. In that parcel, I
[2:58:12] go buy it every single day because I do live
[2:58:14] in district too. Um, we don't have one like this.
[2:58:18] There's only one other car wash that's even close to
[2:58:22] it. Now we do have a lot of those real
[2:58:24] quick car washes that go through the arco. They go
[2:58:27] through the star mart or go through all those convenience
[2:58:32] stores. But one like this, we really don't have. In
[2:58:37] that area. And I don't really, um, you know, we
[2:58:42] can't say, Oh, you can't build that there. And then
[2:58:45] we get sued. People don't realize that's why we go
[2:58:48] to academies. We go to, uh, learn all the laws
[2:58:52] or regulations. So the city does not get in hot
[2:58:55] water and doesn't get sued because we get some people
[2:58:58] up here that don't know what they're talking about. That's
[2:59:01] what's going to happen. I don't plan on being here
[2:59:04] forever. But I'm just hoping that my predecessor will at
[2:59:09] least know what they're doing when they're sitting up here.
[2:59:12] Because that's the last thing merino belly needs is another
[2:59:14] lawsuit. So people can say, you know, we got a
[2:59:18] lot of car washes. And yes, we do need to
[2:59:21] study it, but we can only say we need to
[2:59:24] do this. We can only present it to staff. But
[2:59:28] it takes time to do that. And some people don't
[2:59:30] realize that. So it's not us. That makes these decisions.
[2:59:37] Dave. And also the commission. I mean, the, the council.
[2:59:42] They make those kind of decisions. We got people that
[2:59:44] we have to answer to. So basically if the developer
[2:59:48] meets all the requirements, we can't just say, well, no
[2:59:52] more call rushes. Just like we couldn't say no more
[2:59:56] pot shops. We could actually maybe say we only want
[2:59:59] so many, but it has to go through channels. Everything
[3:00:02] is a process. And some people can just say, you
[3:00:05] know, but if there's a viable reason, a safety and
[3:00:08] hazard, um, the accidents there. There is up there where
[3:00:14] Jose's was on Ironwood and pigeon pass. Yeah. There's a
[3:00:18] lot of those. I don't see so many coming on
[3:00:21] that area. I don't know. Uh, you know, you can
[3:00:24] check with, uh, the police department on that one. But
[3:00:27] people can come up here and say all kinds of
[3:00:29] things and try to put us on the hot seat,
[3:00:32] but we're here to do a job. And, um, he's
[3:00:35] doing everything that he's supposed to do. And I don't
[3:00:39] really see a viable reason. We don't really have one
[3:00:42] like that. All those other ones aren't even really being
[3:00:45] used anymore. You go to the gas stations. I don't
[3:00:48] see very many cars going through that kind of a
[3:00:51] car wash. Yeah. The quick quack. And then even the
[3:00:54] quick whack wasn't even being used that much up there
[3:00:56] by sprouts. They had to get a big old sign
[3:00:59] and bringing people and say you could have a free
[3:01:01] car wash just to drum up business. So, um, I
[3:01:05] really, really feel like, you know, people are trying to
[3:01:09] think that we're the ones that bring in these projects.
[3:01:12] We don't. But on the other hand, unless we have
[3:01:16] a viable reason to deny a project, we can't do
[3:01:21] it. And I'm just letting the public know that. I'm
[3:01:25] not up here. It's not a popularity contest.
[3:01:36] Uh, gender and I, we do utilize car washes and
[3:01:40] we used to wash it home there. And it's just
[3:01:42] a takes you an hour to get everything out. And
[3:01:45] you can go through the car wash. And now you
[3:01:46] can buy the memberships and makes it a lot easier.
[3:01:48] So I think this is a good, good looking. I
[3:01:51] like the aesthetics of this. It's unbelievable. It's a big,
[3:01:55] big plus for that end of town. So I like
[3:01:57] it a lot. I think we can make it work.
[3:02:00] Thank you. The free enterprise system says if there you
[3:02:07] can still compete. And I think we have 18 car
[3:02:12] washes here in the city. And again, we're growing. The
[3:02:15] more houses, the more apartments we put in. There's probably
[3:02:18] going to be more people coming out here looking to
[3:02:20] put in a car wash. Got to understand that's part
[3:02:22] of the growing. Now I'm not, now again, I absolutely
[3:02:26] agree with, uh, Mr. Joanne over there. The planning commission
[3:02:31] does not go out. Look at an empty plot of
[3:02:33] land, go over and say, Hey, can you come over
[3:02:36] here and buy this? That's not even anywhere near. We
[3:02:40] say, I get it. People want restaurants. People want these
[3:02:43] other types of businesses they want, you know, the diversity
[3:02:48] and this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[3:02:49] But guess what? We don't go out and say put
[3:02:52] a Ruth Christ here. You know, I need you to
[3:02:54] come out here and spend two million dollars on this
[3:02:56] land and build that restaurant. That's not even anywhere near
[3:03:01] the scope that the planning commission does. And I think
[3:03:05] people think that when, cause I hear them say you
[3:03:07] put this here, you do that. You know, no, no,
[3:03:10] no, we don't put that. There's land out there for
[3:03:12] sale. If you wanted to go out there and buy
[3:03:15] that land and you wanted to put a business down
[3:03:18] there and you wanted to go within the zoning and
[3:03:20] the scope of sequence of the general planning, you're, you're,
[3:03:23] you have every right. You have the freedom to do
[3:03:25] that. You absolutely do. And then of course you have
[3:03:31] to go through all the hoops and jumps and bells
[3:03:34] and whistles and dotting the teas and, you know, or
[3:03:37] dot nines and crossing the tees that you have to
[3:03:39] do. And you have to follow all the regulations and
[3:03:42] laws and everything from California and federal state. You got
[3:03:45] to do all of that. But you have that right
[3:03:47] to go out and buy that piece of land and
[3:03:49] put something there. You have that right. So today, they
[3:03:53] have that right. They can go out there and say,
[3:03:56] you know what? I think I can take a chance
[3:03:58] with this car wash. I know the other car washes
[3:04:00] out here, but I think mine's the best. And I
[3:04:03] think I'm going to make money on this when people
[3:04:05] get the word. I said, wow, all electric. Wow. That's
[3:04:09] fantastic. I haven't heard that one yet, you know, all
[3:04:12] electric car wash. Wow. You know, you hear the big
[3:04:15] motors going on and this and that. And, you know,
[3:04:17] you got recycled water. I mean, I don't get it.
[3:04:21] Think about it. The more car washers we put in
[3:04:24] the city, the less pollution we're putting in the gutters.
[3:04:28] I don't understand that. Yeah. That's absolutely true. We got
[3:04:32] car washes and we recycle the water. Now let's take
[3:04:34] all the car washes out of the city and let's
[3:04:37] put the soap and all the pollutants in the gutters
[3:04:39] and stuff like that. That's the alternative that we're thinking.
[3:04:42] No, that's awful. That would be bad. Let's put recycled
[3:04:47] water in and let's put some environmental friendly, you know,
[3:04:52] uh, reclaimed water. Let's do that. That sounds like an
[3:04:55] environmental. It's like, Hey, that's a great thing. That's fantastic.
[3:05:00] Guess what? We're, we're, we're lessing the carbon footprint and
[3:05:04] we're in a valley. You would think that what happened.
[3:05:08] Absolutely. Um, anyway, I'm for it. I love the fact
[3:05:13] that Carlos is sitting right there. He's from Marina Valley.
[3:05:17] I love the fact that the owner's not too far
[3:05:19] away. He's local. That's what we're looking for. Yeah, absolutely.
[3:05:25] Let's Carlos. Like just, you know, I hope your wife
[3:05:28] don't make it work too hard. You know, so I'm
[3:05:33] for it. I don't know anybody else want to. I
[3:05:36] don't, I would actually act like to add. I've lived
[3:05:40] in the city for 40 years. And that I was
[3:05:44] wondering what was going to go there because it's been
[3:05:47] vacant for longer than that. And we can't really have
[3:05:53] another restaurant because that would be even more traffic. Um,
[3:05:57] we got the shopping center right next door. I mean.
[3:06:01] I was afraid of storage was going to go in
[3:06:03] there. I really was. I didn't think we needed another
[3:06:08] storage. But, um. I'm just glad something is going there
[3:06:14] because we've got a lot of commercial around there and
[3:06:16] we've got a lot of businesses like the girl said
[3:06:18] that we've got Home Depot. They're going 24 seven practically,
[3:06:23] you know, from morning to night. But they've got their
[3:06:28] area pretty well where everybody can go in and out.
[3:06:32] So I think it's a good, it's a good fit
[3:06:36] for what is going to be going in there. And
[3:06:40] it isn't like every other car wash. It just isn't.
[3:06:46] Motion. Second. I'm not even on the page here. There
[3:06:55] we go. All right. I'd like to recommend that the
[3:07:00] planning commission adopt resolution 2026 - 2 and approving plot
[3:07:07] plan PEN 22 - 0215. I believe that suffices. And
[3:07:14] also to include, um, steps, modification to conditioned. Ah, and
[3:07:20] to include SAS condition to modify. Modification to conditions. Modification
[3:07:29] to conditions. Correct. That works for me. And I'll second.
[3:07:54] Okay. The motion does carry. Do we have a staff
[3:07:57] wrap up. So we do chair. The motion passes 30,
[3:08:03] the project is approved. There is now a 10 day
[3:08:06] appeal period. Any person who wishes to appeal this project
[3:08:10] must have submit an appeal application. And pay the required
[3:08:13] fee to the community development department within 10 calendar days
[3:08:17] of this hearing. Thank you. Thank you. All right. The
[3:08:21] next item on the agenda is other commissioner business. And
[3:08:24] we don't have any, um, the next item is staff
[3:08:29] comments. Do we have any staff comments? No staff comments.
[3:08:32] Thank you. Really. Looking forward to those. All right. The
[3:08:36] next item on the agenda is planning commissioner comments under
[3:08:41] the items of preview of the planning commission. Do we
[3:08:45] have any planning commissioner comments. It means that it has
[3:08:52] to be within the scope of what we do. Okay.
[3:09:00] I think you had one for Steve over there from
[3:09:03] Palm Springs. We'll talk to them later about that. I
[3:09:06] talked to him later. All right. So at this time
[3:09:09] the planning commission is adjourned at 904 p. m. to
[3:09:12] our next regular meeting on September 10th, 2026 at 6
[3:09:16] p. m.