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Good evening, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for the city council meeting Tuesday, October 14th, 2025, and let the record show all council members are present. And with that, I am going to invite the 4-H members up to the podium to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Please put your right hand over your heart and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance. Ready? Begin.

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I pledge allegiance to the front of the United States of America and to the Republic for

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which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Thank you more, Bay 4-H.

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It is national 4-H week, so I think we're going to be hearing from them in a few minutes at public

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comment.

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Thank you for joining us.

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With that, I will turn over to our city attorney, Mr. Stack.

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Good evening, Mayor Councilmembers and members of the public.

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The City Council did meet in close session two times since the last regular meeting.

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The first closed session meeting was on Monday, October 13th, and during that item, they

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discussed two real property negotiation matters, and one anticipated litigation matter.

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No reportable action was taken under the Brown Act.

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For that closed session agenda or meeting.

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meeting. And the second closed session meeting was this afternoon to the October 14th and

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the council met to discuss the city manager recruitment and no reportable action was

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taken under the ground act. Thank you, Mr. Hurstek. With that, we will move into merit council

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member reports, announcements and presentations. I'll kick off and pass it down in a minute.

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I have a shout out to the Maritime Family Fund day and the group down there.

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What a great event.

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I think all of us attended.

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I'm pretty sure I saw other council members down there.

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We kept our distance, but it was a great event.

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It felt like back in the day when we used to have rock and ram.

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It was very community and family oriented.

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And it was just a really nice afternoon and a great effort by that group down there.

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Thank you.

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So this Sunday from 2 to 4, Council Member Landham and myself are going to be hosting a town hall meeting at the community center, and I'm sure she'll share a few words on it when it gets down to her, but we'll be talking all things about the waterfront and Moral Bay.

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I just got back Friday from the League of Cities, California Cities Conference.

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Thank you to the city for sending me.

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It was a great opportunity to network and resource.

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There were a lot of vendors at the Expo who have a lot of products and

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things that the city uses in regards to infrastructure maintenance,

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administrative resources and things as well as attending many sessions.

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I found it was a little challenging because each time slot there was five different sessions to choose from.

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So it was very difficult to pick, but most of them I attended was on small cities and good governance.

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So hopefully I'll be able to utilize that information in my job here.

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Tomorrow night, we have our public works advisory meeting.

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And tomorrow night at the public works advisory meeting, there will be an update from a slow cog on the Morbay Estuary Climate Resiliency Transportation Plan.

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As well as October 22nd in Las Osas, where there will be a workshop.

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And, getting back there, huh?

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And so I hope everybody I'll be able to attend that.

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The city is still working, our public works director is working with slow cog to try and schedule a date here, and as soon as we can confirm that we will share that with you.

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And with that, I will pass it to my left.

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Thank you Madam Mayor and thank you all for being here and thank you to our 4-H members for an excellent job

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I'm a big fan of fan of that United States flag and you did it justice. So thank you for that

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Like the rest of my council members. I've attended several meetings

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I'll be short and just say that it's a privilege to sit up here and be your public servant and represent you on the city council

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I want to hear what you have to say if you've got any input or feedback for me

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My email address is on the city website.

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I also have a newsletter that I send out periodically.

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So please feel free to contact me, either via my cell phone.

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My number is on my card.

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And I just want to hear from you.

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We're here to serve.

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Thank you.

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Chair pro Tim.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I wanted to remind the public that we have a joint CFAC,

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which is our Citizens Finance Committee,

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which we're going to be discussing tonight.

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Council meeting on October 21st at 3 p.m. at the Vets Hall, that's here in this building and we're going to be discussing revenue opportunities for our city and community.

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I also recently attended the nonprofit roundtable that was conducted by the Moral Bay Chamber of Commerce.

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I was able to hear a myriad of guest speakers and was invited to speak on tonight's agenda item.

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I'm just questions with regard to the Grant Committee process as well as the special events

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policy and fees conversation that will be coming up in the near future.

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It was just a great conversation, got a lot of feedback and some things to consider for

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this evening.

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I also attended the fundraiser for the Moro Bay Maritime Museum at the Moro Bay Yacht Club.

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The volunteers did an incredible job there.

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They raised a really great amount of money and put a lot of work into it.

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This is the Maritime Museum, of course, is something that draws a lot of visitors

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and it serves our community as well, so that was wonderful.

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I want to remind people that we do have a trick-or-treat event on October 25th from 235-3.

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This gives the kiddos an opportunity to go along around the businesses and pick up some treats

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and costume contests and things like that, so and that is it for me.

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Hello, I attended the San Luis County Housing Trust Fund building strong foundations a seminar that was put on by our very own council member Eccles, and it was really fun to see him in his real job.

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And I think he don't count on him as running for or going for a city manager job or anything like that because he's doing great at his real job.

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And he put on a great panel.

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there were the directors of People's Self-Help Housing and Haslow Housing Authority of San

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Lois. There was an architect from Firm and San Lois and also San Lois, the city of San

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Lois, the best-boz community development director. And they all spoke and it was really interesting.

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Good job. And I also attended, he and I both also attended a visit Moral Bay Board meeting.

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That was the first time I had done that, where they were talking, they had a presentation

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for Christmas lights, for the holiday lights. I don't know where they're going with that,

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but they did receive a presentation of that.

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I attended the WAMPAC meeting and the Harbor Advisory Board meeting.

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At the Harbor Advisory Board meeting, I learned that we have the healthiest fishing stocks in

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the world, some of the healthiest fishing stocks in the world, and that the federal government

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is indicating that they want to help because they feel like we're no longer competitive,

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and they want to change that, help change that.

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And so that sounded like really good news for our Fisher people and also at that meeting the Harvard Director reported out that the Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for the infrastructure at the harbor that they have that they built, which is a lot of the revetments and I would think even the peers and a lot of that infrastructure.

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So that's also what I heard when I went to DC and I reported out on that just if anyone

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remembers.

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And I think that they told me at the time that they had tons of money, it was a problem

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getting it out.

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And so I encouraged our Harvard Department to really pursue that and our staff to really

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they pursue that because they claim they are responsible for it and in fact if we even

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did work on it, it sounded like it would be a problem because it's their infrastructure

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and we shouldn't be doing that, that's the way I understood it.

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I attended the County Water Resources Advisory Council meeting where we heard the update

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from the county to do the decal, doing the decal feasibility study.

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They have hired Corolo engineering to do the study.

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And Corolo has identified, originally identified 22 sites for decal for the county.

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And they narrowed it down to 12, and surprise, surprise, Moro Bay is ranked very high on that list.

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We had two sites, actually they did three different sizes of diesel in Moro Bay, like a small

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medium and large, and then they had an additional site, they called a sterile bay.

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And that is the dog beach area where Cuyukus's outfall is.

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And, yeah, that's the town hall, yeah, come to the town hall, all things waterfront,

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and you can, you know, the mayor and I will tell you what we know, and you can ask questions

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and give us suggestions, and we'd love to see you there.

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Yes, good evening. I also attended quite a few meetings, the IWMA, the planning commission

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meeting, the Harvard advisory board meeting, the waterfront master plan meeting.

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I like going to meetings because I learn a lot.

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No, I'm serious.

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I have a hard time sometimes in gathering all this information and the advisory boards which

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are vital part of our governmental structure here in Moral Bay gives me the guidance and

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the knowledge for myself to do a better job up here as your city council person.

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The other thing I want to convey here is the Friends of the Moral Bay Harbour Department,

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which is a 501-C-3 has just donated a couple more trash cans along the harbor walk leading

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up to Target Rock.

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They're the blue ones that you see over there by Coleman Park.

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We just ordered two more of them for the harbor department to help out with trash picked

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up over there.

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and then the other thing is we've just made a commitment to print the 2026

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tide books for Moral Bay. So those will be forthcoming here in about a month.

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And then the Friends of the Moral Bay Harbour Department is going to hold a

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movie night at Rosa's Landing between Rosa's Landing and the Libertine at

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night and it's going to be a free movie and it will be I think the same day as the

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the lighted boat parade at the month mistaken.

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So that would be a fun event to see a movie out there at the Embarcadero.

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So that's all I have.

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Welcome everyone.

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Thank you everyone.

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We did forget a couple other events that are coming up just to throw it out there.

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I know it was mentioned and I would encourage anyone to go to the Morbay Chamber website or

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visit Morbay that's got all the events listed with the downtown Trunker Treaty.

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We would forget if we didn't remind everybody about the witches' paddle.

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So that is on Saturday, October 25th.

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So that will be just before we meet again, so make sure you make it down there to participate

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or watch.

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With that, I will turn it over to City Manager Lucer.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council and community.

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Just a couple of things tonight.

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We are continuing with the City Manager recruitment, moving forward, applications are being reviewed

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and interviews are scheduled for no mid-November on that.

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That, I did want to just briefly talk about last week we had a water main break from an outside contractor and that required the city to issue a precautionary water boil notice.

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We've had some comments about concerns, I guess, about people not getting information perhaps regarding that notice and I just wanted to briefly talk a little bit about two noticing opportunities.

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One is the reverse 911 system, and it's used to provide emergency information that is an opt-in system, and that can be found on the county website under public alerting, slow county public alerting, you can sign up for that with your cell phone, if you've got a landline, if those are still out there for some folks that sometimes comes automatically.

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Exactly.

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There's also a new alert system called alert slow, and that provides important information

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less significant usually than the reverse 911, such as severe weather, major highway closures,

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that sort of thing.

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And again, that can be found on the slow county website under public alerting.

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So you are not automatically signed up, but you can opt in. The city of Morbay is also investigating the potential of perhaps looking at our own alert system for city-only issues. And that water, that precautionary water boil notice did come down pretty quickly, additionally. Just also to bring to your attention. We're pretty excited. The Morbay fire department of the last few years has received approximately 100,000

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dollars for battery-powered extraction tools, also known as the Jaws of Life.

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And we were alerted earlier this week that the California Office of Traffic Safety will

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be featuring Moro Bay in their annual 2025 report regarding these grants.

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So that's nice for the City of Moro Bay.

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I am going to turn it over to Public Works Director Greg Qualik.

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He's going to interview a couple of new city staff to all of you.

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Thank you City Manager, Luke, or thank you Mayor, members of the City Council on the Moro

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I'm very pleased to invite up our new city engineer, Nate Stong.

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Nate Stong, if you could come up to the podium.

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And just by way of short introduction, Nate studied civil engineering at Cal Poly.

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He has over 20 years experience doing civil work.

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He's worked for the cities of Placerville, where he was city engineer for six years.

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He's also worked for Pismo Beach in the city of San Luis Obispo, as well as private entities.

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These Nate has a wealth of experience, I've learned quickly in the two weeks he's been here doing drainage work,

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creek work, transportation work, and the list goes on, so I'll just let Nate say a few words.

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Thanks, Greg, for that introduction, and a good evening, Mayor and members' council.

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My name is Nate Stong, and I'm super pleased to be excited to be here and an opportunity to work with the team at the City of Moral Bay.

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and leading the engineering division within public works,

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I've met each of the five staff in the division,

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and it's just a strong team that I've found so far in my two weeks.

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Looking at an extensive list of projects, very interesting projects,

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complicated value to the community,

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and I look forward to delivering projects.

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Again, I'm just so excited to be leading.

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A whole gamut of types of projects, flood control, a study of moral creek, and low lying

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areas, and things can be done there with the grant, Cal OES, I'm very excited to look

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at that one.

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Traffic and transportation issues, development review, working with developers on their projects

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and ensuring code compliance, and additions are satisfied, the FEMA side, floodplain mapping,

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And then I'm just on a general note, I see a lot of challenges coming in and typically try to treat those as opportunities so there's places we can have success my

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three minutes up.

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I think I'll leave it at that. I appreciate the opportunity.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Nate, and next I will bring up Matt Evers, Matt Evers is our Utilities Project Manager.

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This is a position that the City Council created in this year's budget to handle the backlog of water and sewer projects that we have on the books.

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Matt studied, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, ag systems at Cal Poly and also got his MBA from Cal Poly and went on to work for

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or Pappitch, I don't know the phone name of the business,

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but Pappitch, and they've actually done very good work

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for us in town, dating work.

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Matt lives in the city.

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He is the father of four children,

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so he has quite the family.

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I happen to meet them at Amorabe event

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before he had even applied for this job.

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So we're very excited to have him and Matt,

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I'll let you say a couple words.

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Yeah, evening mayor, members of council, public.

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Excited me on the team to be serving this community

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as Greg said my family lives here so I have vested interest in the success here

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and look forward to the growth and as Nate had said we have a great team there's

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a lot of projects to be built a lot of improvements to be made and I'm excited

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for it and my background on the contractor side knowing how important the

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project pre-planning specification development I think will help drive very

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very good, successful projects for the city.

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Thank you.

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Thank you both.

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Welcome to the team, we're glad to have you here.

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Thank you.

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Anything else, city manager, looker?

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No, thank you.

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And do we have any updates from any of the subcommittees?

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No.

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Thank you.

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With that, we will move into public comment.

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I do have a few speaker slips.

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I'm going to start with our 4-H Club first this evening

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and invite them up to the podium.

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You have three minutes.

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Good

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evening mayor, City Council and the great community of Morabe.

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My name is Case.

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Thank you for the opportunity to let us know about the 4-H.

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Us week was National 4-H week.

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We would like to let you know Morabe has a very active 4-H club with 30 members and 9 adult volunteers.

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Morabe 4-H club meeting meets the first Tuesday of the month 30 p.m.

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at the Mono Moral Grinch Hall,

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for each is the largest use of element in the program in the nation,

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for each motto, to make the best better.

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Did you know there are over, there are 60 million

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alumni and 4-H. Moral Bay 4-H Club currently has projects in leadership, sewing, cooking, garden,

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and beef, sheep, swimming, poultry, small pets, and animals, scrapbook, floral design,

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and mind dancing.

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4-H welcomes youth ages from 5 to 19 years old, and what the 4-H's stand for are head,

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heart, hands, and health.

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You can email more of A4-H at more of A4-H Club at Yahoo.com for more information.

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Thank you members of the council.

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And I would ask if the club leader has anything she wants to add to that.

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And thank you, Tammy Haas, for leading this 4-H club.

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I've been a proud part of 4-H for over 30 years, so thank you all for being here.

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We appreciate it and

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they have homework to do with that.

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I will invite up Linda Winters.

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That's the last speaker slip I have.

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Public comment will be open to the general public after Ms. Winters.

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That is a tough act to follow.

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Good evening, Mayor, Council, City, Staff, and the Chiefs.

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I was originally going to only report about the Family Fund day where the Moral Bay Lions helped to serve almost 500 hot dogs.

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The Memorial Service for John Weiss and last night's Monday night dinner that returned to being held exclusively here in this city.

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building where we served 73 people attended and we served 97 meals.

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We did successfully beat the rainstorm by only a matter of minutes.

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When I got home in enough time to feed my cats and myself and I took a little power nap to be awakened by a tornado warning on my phone.

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My first reaction, who's scamming me?

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And then I realized it was real and that some of the folks that live in mobile homes were truly the most vulnerable.

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You might all know that I've been a long time advocate to the mobile home residents.

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A lot of them have my name and number and about half of them called me wanting to know what they should do.

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I will remind them all, stay calm, stay away from windows and have an emergency kit ready.

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I also reminded them this important info.

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The time to prepare for an emergency is before the emergency, not during the emergency,

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right, chief?

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But here's the good news.

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the creek didn't overflow because we also had flash flood warnings.

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That was another warning.

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My new roof didn't leak and it didn't blow off.

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I haven't had much sleep in this last 24 hours.

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So if you see me nodding off, please give me a gentle nudge.

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And I think that's all for now.

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I'll see you at the town hall meeting on the 19th.

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my teeth, if not before, thank you.

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Thank you, Linda, and thank you for that reminder.

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I think we're all a little roomy today after that all night long, and I would just do a shout out.

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I see our shift from our fire department here.

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Thank you all to our public safety police, fire and harbor.

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I know it keeps all of you up, so thank you for the job you do for us.

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Public comment is open for items not on the agenda.

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Council staff, I just come by every once in a while to tell you how much I appreciate

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your work. You guys are working very well together. You seem to respect one another. I think

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there's a variety of opinions up there. And staff, I couldn't say enough about staff as

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well, super happy with our staff right now. I just want to take about you all the time

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and I think you're doing a great job. Thank you.

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Hello

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everyone, Nicole Dorfman and I am here tonight representing React Alliance.

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We are a local grassroots nonprofit whose goal is to educate the public about the impacts

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of offshore wind energy and so in that vein I am here to share an event that we are having

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Next Saturday, October 25th, Shindig Hard Cider in Slow has graciously offered to host

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us for a wonderful evening of music with Dante, Marsh and the vibe setters and be in the

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hive.

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If you like to dance, if you like good music, please come out.

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There'll also be some burgers by the eat gas food truck and mini donuts by Sugar Lips.

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We'll have information table there, and I think it's just going to be a whole lot of fun.

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So I hope you can come out and join us, have a fun evening, and support a wonderful local

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cause.

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And speaking of React Alliance, I understand that there is some information that's come out

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about offshore wind.

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Our organization is very eager to know what it is.

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So we're looking forward to when the information can come public.

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Maybe the Council left there can give some information about that.

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But we so appreciate all your support and your attention.

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So thanks for all you do.

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Yes, it's a two o'clock, a tornado hit our house.

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Anyway, my name's Gary Johnson, a resident of Morro Bay.

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Welcome the mayor and the city council.

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So I want to talk a little about why do we need a services in Moro Bay, like the Fire

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Department, Police Department and other services, but I'd like to say recently we had a Moro

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Bay National Night Out sponsor in the Moro Bay Police in the families event was very exciting

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for all of us.

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I was so excited to see, I've been there many times, so many young people, babies and carriages

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and people, little kids two and five years old all the way up to us old people, or I would

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the old people, but me, anyway, I'm 88, so I'm old, I guess.

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Anyway, well, all that said, it's my opinion, from this event, I feel that there's several

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important groups, very important to our town.

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One is for 24-7, we've got the police department and fire department, the Harvard department,

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we've got the Coast Guard, we've got the ambulance services, and our pleasure for 24-7.

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You could be two in the morning because I can attest to that.

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So that's why we need these services.

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People come to me, why do you need these services in Morabay?

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Here's a small town.

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Well, I'm to explain into them what we go through.

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And it's an alayka, Yuka's, Cambria and Los Ososuits.

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So at any given events like in the voting, if you're kayaking, or if you're outside the

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rocks, swimming, etc., you made some type of service in medical assistance, or it may

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not be medical. So we have a residence of 10,000 people, okay? No. Been here 30 years,

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I kind of witnessed that we got maybe 15,000 or we might have 20,000. We could even have

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higher than that. So here we got services, I just mentioned, supporting 10,000 people.

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Now all of a sudden these five people services got to support 25,000, so any one of those 25,000 people that need help were going to service them.

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Most importantly, too, our taxpayers are paying for it in more of they. So, I think it's trying

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to make the non-residents, it's cost of this tax service, as I would say. And I'm not

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been an expert in this area, maybe they don't pay much or whatever. But my opinion, part

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of all this, I think that the parking fee, I need more information, because I've got friends

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that want to do the rocket. Don't do the rocket. I don't favor the one at the boat ramp

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because I go there all the time and I park my car and we look at the scenery and all

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that and have a good time. So anyway, we shouldn't tax. More of they should have an example.

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We should have a little stiffer put on our car. We don't pay any kind of parking fee. Thank

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you.

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Anyone else for public comment for items not on the agenda? Come forward, please.

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I'm Margaret Carmen, and I want to say thank you for having things like the 4-H can come here because did they just bring tears to your eyes, and I want to remember that head, heart, hands, and health should be our carpathic motto.

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And City Manager Lucca, I want to say it was really easy to sign up for reverse 911.

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I tried three times and could not do alert slow, so I probably need some help.

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But it was very easy to do reverse time one one and I'm sorry. I was five minutes late and if somebody mentioned that on October 22nd

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from 6 to 7 30 at the Nazarene

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Church in Moral Bay the

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Slow cog will have a meeting about the Moral Bay estuary climate resiliency plan and the last one they had

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All the cyclists were there and there were only myself and one other Moral Bay residents and we need you to come

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because it infects us, and we need to tell slow-cog what we would like, and not just one group of people.

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Okay, and this is what I was really going to get to talk about, too.

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I'm curious, and I mentioned this at the planning commission, but it was really kind of inappropriate,

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that the precautionary water boil notice, I'm just curious,

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If since it was another contractor, I heard it was this company hired another contractor and then all your city

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Staff time, you know, does that other company have to pay your staff time back because we talk about it is

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precious and we do pay for it and the other thing is

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Culligan closed down and didn't sell water for those days. Well, how do they go about getting reimbursed?

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So as a taxpayer, I'm just curious what happens when a contractor messes up our water and do they have to or is it just part of their contract that they don't have to do anything about it?

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And I'm going to just end with a happy note on my face about seeing those children. It was really wonderful. Thank you.

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Excuse me, Ms. Carmen. Could you tell us again at the date of that meeting?

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I didn't get that.

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Next Wednesday, October 22nd, from 6 to 730, but the Nazarene Church in Los

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Us on South Bay Boulevard. Thank you.

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Betty Winholz, I have mentioned this individually to a few people on staff and on

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council, but I think I want to say publicly that if you have not signed off on this

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this project at the Vets Hall that I hope that you won't until this staff is moved back up to the front.

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I really find it disconcerting that some staffs here and some staff isn't and I think it's unequal and I find that I don't like that.

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And so I'm hoping that you will put that in there before you sign off on it.

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If you've already signed off on it, then I think you need to do something about that and

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and get some more desks and nice chairs

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and bring your staff back up front.

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This will be pretty brief.

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I just wanted to clarify one of the points

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about the friends of the Morabe Harbor Department,

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the movie night in particular.

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It's actually planned to be on a Thursday

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before the boat parade.

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The second draw will actually have the Santa's house open.

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There's still a few loose ends.

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It's not totally cemented in,

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but we've gotten through a number of the big hurdles

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and we're super excited about that.

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We don't think we're gonna have bad Santa

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that got crossed off the list.

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maybe Elf but we're not sure Rudolph the red news right here. That's still to be determined. Thank you.

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Anyone else for public comment on items not on the agenda please come forward.

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I'm Katie Schlaught. I'm a writer and I wanted to come up and speak to you guys about the

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Memorial Elementary School. It was originally on the

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since sorry but since we skipped over it I just wanted to go ahead and give you guys a quick thanks

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for making that seriously and pursuing

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full district. Thank you guys for your hard work.

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Anyone else for public comment for items not on the agenda?

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A.G.P. are there any raised hands in the queue?

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Thank you, Marrowickson. There are currently no raised hands in the queue.

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With that, I will close public comment and bring it back to council.

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Any response on the, well, you know what?

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actually I can, there's a flyer in the back of the room regarding that town hall meeting

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if you can scan.

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It's got a UPC code on it for that climate resiliency update as well as tomorrow night

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on the P web agenda.

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SlowCog will be doing a presentation.

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I announced all that earlier and Moral Bay is currently working with SlowCog to host an

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event here tentatively looking at Wednesday, the October 29th of the Vets Hall if it's available.

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So we will keep you updated on that.

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And with that, we'll move in to consent agenda.

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And before we start that with Council's indulgence, I've been asked to poll item 6F from the

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agenda tonight.

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6F was requested to be continued at the next meeting as per Chief Watkins request.

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and that was regarding a AB permit.

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I have council support to move that to the next item.

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Thank you very much.

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That I will open public comment on items

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on the consent agenda, less success.

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Betty Winholz, I want to speak to the last one.

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I think it's letter G with regard to Los Osos

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and investigating whether or not the city

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We should engage with districts in terms of our fire to services.

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And I see how that is an incredibly great advantage for Los Osos.

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I'm not seeing the advantage for the city of Morabay.

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One is do the to the distance and with that would do, I don't know if it's just a matter of supervision or what.

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And maybe that's part of your exploration.

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but it's curious to me and so I hope when you pass this you have some parameters on what you're looking at or you just looking at everything because there's not a lot there that gives the public a chance to respond to. Thank you.

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Anyone else for public comment for items on the consent agenda?

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AGP are there and he raised hands in the queue.

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Thank you, Mary Wicksom.

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There are currently no raised hands in the queue.

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Thank you.

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With that, I will close public comment on the consent agenda and bring it back to council.

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Does anyone wish to blow off start out?

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I'm going to pull 6G.

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Does anyone want to pull anything else?

433
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I'd like to just pull 6C per minute.

434
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:52,010
I

435
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:00,200
have a motion to approve the other items, please.

436
00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:11,740
I move that we approve item six items, all other items except for C&G and the one we eliminated,

437
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:13,380
which was F.

438
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,480
Second that.

439
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,820
Thank you all in favor.

440
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:16,240
Hi.

441
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:16,860
Hi.

442
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:21,840
Erie's 6C.

443
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,340
Yeah.

444
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:28,000
I just like to clarify reading the staff report, Chief McCrain.

445
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:46,920
I mean, it looks like that you're requesting to purchase a new engine and pretty much we have $500,000 of it currently and that the remainder will be $250,000 and hopefully we'll be able to gather that within the next three years.

446
00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:51,660
I just like a little bit of an explanation of where you think those funds will be coming from.

447
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:54,420
Yeah, thank you for the question.

448
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,020
So every summer when we participate in a mutual aid system, responding to fires around

449
00:40:00,020 --> 00:40:07,260
the state, we get paid for our personnel time and we also get paid for our vehicle use

450
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:08,200
on those incidents.

451
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,380
And it's done to reimburse for the wear and tear on city vehicles that, you know, occurs

452
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:16,280
on those incidents.

453
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:21,640
And over the last two years, and then this summer as well, we've been able to take

454
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,380
that money that's set aside for that vehicle depreciation from the number of

455
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:28,420
fires that we've went on and put that into a separate account towards

456
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:31,100
replacing the engine that primarily goes out on it.

457
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:38,830
You probably don't go

458
00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:42,090
far. That's the next items you also.

459
00:40:44,350 --> 00:40:48,190
Any other questions on item 60? No we can

460
00:40:48,190 --> 00:40:51,190
wait and vote on that when we finish with the next one. That's okay with you

461
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:57,150
guys. Thank you Chief McCrain. I pulled item 6G. I've had some comments from some

462
00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:03,770
members of the community as well as myself in regards to and I speak at this evening in regards

463
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:09,690
to the potential proposal with Los Osos providing fire services.

464
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:14,590
I have a lot of questions and a lot of concerns.

465
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:21,370
Right now, moral base, we approved looking at opening station two because of the standards

466
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:24,210
of cover and the desire to have a better response time.

467
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:31,510
You're purchasing another fire engine, we're looking at county EMS, and now we're looking at potentially providing fire service to Lasso.

468
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:34,490
So there's a lot on the plate there right now.

469
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:48,250
A lot of the questions that I have that are concerning and others have shared is about pension carryovers that would come from potential employees from their reduction of the level of service potentially during that transition.

470
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:53,410
if some of our senior staffing is there, depending on what staffing were to continue on.

471
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:59,770
If we absorb the Cal Fire, County Fire employees, are we held to there if the long-term

472
00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:02,590
employees at their level pension that we are going to assume.

473
00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:11,430
I'm not sure how they get their fire tax money. If it's through a 2-18 vote, what happens

474
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:16,750
at the contract goes away. So a lot of, and I know it's premature, but a lot of questions,

475
00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:26,210
lot of concerns and moving forward, I would, I guess like to ask if there's an opportunity

476
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:33,030
because I see this as kind of a long-term project that potentially there's, and I hate

477
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:38,430
to say this, subcommittee, or some sort of communication with a couple council members

478
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:44,910
so that we have an opportunity to participate in what this looks like for the level of service

479
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:49,970
for our community during the process, I just feel that knowing some of these other things

480
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:55,150
like what's going on with the county EMS services that's been going on for several years

481
00:42:55,150 --> 00:43:00,230
and we weren't really perv2 until now when it's been going on for while I don't want that

482
00:43:00,230 --> 00:43:06,410
to happen with this project. So I guess I'd entertain some response to that.

483
00:43:06,730 --> 00:43:12,730
Okay, thank you for your questions. There's a lot to unpack there. So a little bit of background,

484
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:18,610
I was approached by the General Manager for the loss of CSD and they wanted

485
00:43:18,610 --> 00:43:24,630
some information about options available to them for fire services. They're

486
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,470
currently under contract with Cal Fire. The price of that has continued to go

487
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:33,490
up and they wanted to explore other options. They wanted to see what their

488
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:37,790
options were for standing up their own fire department again, potentially looking

489
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:42,190
at exploring shared services with moral basins. We are so close that we worked

490
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:48,290
closely together and then just to evaluate this cost and what the opportunities would be.

491
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:53,270
So we've had some very high level discussions and at the high level it looked like there

492
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:57,210
were some values to both agencies to make it worth exploring.

493
00:43:58,330 --> 00:44:04,950
What they're asking for is, for us to put a response back, they put a formal request

494
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:10,670
to us to evaluate what opportunities are present there and what that would look like.

495
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:17,430
High-level discussion would be that we would provide staffing to staff their fire station and their fire engines.

496
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:21,330
They own the station, they own the equipment, we would be providing staffing.

497
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:29,630
During that discussion it was that we would have to hire additional personnel to accomplish that because of the staffing level they would require.

498
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:35,130
So there's a lot that we'll have to unpack and go through to determine long-term per's obligations.

499
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:40,890
funding they would have to fund a front for recruitment and training and outfitting of the

500
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:47,090
so at this point it's been a high level discussion there are some

501
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:53,990
opportunities where with shared overhead it does present the opportunity maybe to fund some of the

502
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,900
Government, exactly what their level of service that they're wanting, what their commitments are. But to devote a serious amount of staff time to respond to this, I wanted to present it to council. You know, a couple emails are a high level phone call. That's one thing but actually working into this and putting some effort into putting a response together. Council needs to weigh in and if they support me spending time on this. You know, based on the discussions we've had, I do feel like there are some opportunities

503
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:35,360
for both cities. We do work closely together, we train closely together, that interoperability,

504
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,400
having our personnel using the same equipment, same standard operating procedures and policies.

505
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:48,000
There is some value to that. Having more personnel at the different stations allows for better

506
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,300
coverage, move people around during times like in the summertime when we're busy. We have a larger

507
00:45:53,300 --> 00:46:00,960
full of people that we can staff stations and provide that mutual aid support and you know both

508
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,340
of the communities are so closely ingrained yet we have a lot of our residents or our employees

509
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:12,280
that live in Los Osos and vice versa so it just makes sense for that local control level but again

510
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,400
I don't want to devote staff time to responding to this without council support.

511
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,720
Thank you I guess that's a lot of what I'm concerned about because you have so many of these other

512
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:27,380
things going on at the time and limited resources and we spent a lot of we, the city, you,

513
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:31,940
your department as well as the police department and spent a lot of time looking at the potential

514
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:40,680
of hardware merging and in the end it was an exercise to determine that path but a lot

515
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,760
of time was invested into that to not utilize it.

516
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,980
I'm concerned with all these other things going on and a lot of it for me is about protecting

517
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:54,580
being on the level of service in our community, but also the funding, if they cancel the contract

518
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:58,500
five years from now, where does that leave us with staffing that we've hired and things

519
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:58,900
like that?

520
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:05,540
So I just, again, I'm trying to make the point based on the other concerns that have come

521
00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:11,000
about with the EMS, the county level that I don't want to head down this path with the

522
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,320
city spending a year, six months or a year working on this, that we're not part of what

523
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,980
that process looks like because it does involve our citizens and that's our responsibility

524
00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:22,740
ultimately.

525
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,580
Absolutely and that was my reason for bringing it to council.

526
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:33,010
I think that's a good suggestion, the subcommittee, I don't think that's a bad idea.

527
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:39,730
Yeah, perhaps we can follow up on that with the city manager and the chief and see if there's

528
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:43,630
an opportunity so that there's more participation.

529
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:57,430
I just, again, I'm gun shy after this whole thing with the county AMS and, you know, that's already happened. I don't want to do it again where we're getting information where even does a lot of time into it.

530
00:47:58,310 --> 00:47:59,910
Thank you for that chief.

531
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:08,490
I think some sort of incremental approach is important with this, and I would presume

532
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:15,110
that chief, you would bring it back to us if you hit a point of fatal flaw in the process.

533
00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:20,570
But one of my concerns and probably other council members' concerns is the amount of time

534
00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:29,410
and effort expended in totality, and if it's a direction that we don't, that we decide

535
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:34,110
resources. So I fully support the idea of a subcommittee too. Normally, I don't like subcommittees.

536
00:48:34,270 --> 00:48:39,350
In this case, I think it would be have have utility. Thank you, Chief.

537
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,460
Well, thank you

538
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:46,960
with Council support. I'll circle back with the city manager and the fire chief and have them

539
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,600
come back with what potentially could be some sort of option whenever that might look like to provide

540
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:59,920
information and input during the process. Thank you. I move that we approve items.

541
00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:25,400
We will move into our first business item this evening and that will be an appointment to the advisory board for the citizens oversight finance advisory committee.

542
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,760
and we want to have one applicant here at the seat.

543
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,860
The other applicant who applied was unable to attend.

544
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:37,060
So, Brandon,

545
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:44,700
hang on one second.

546
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:49,560
Since we're just for housekeeping, the City Attorney's Deck,

547
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,260
do any public comment for an appointment?

548
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,800
Because it's an agenda item I would take public comment.

549
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:56,120
Perfect, just clarify.

550
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,520
With that, I will open public comment on item 8A.

551
00:50:01,810 --> 00:50:03,910
A.G.P. are there any raised hands in the queue?

552
00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:05,670
Thank you, Mayor Wixam.

553
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:07,530
There are currently no raised hands in the queue.

554
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:08,310
Thank you.

555
00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:10,950
With that, I will close public comment and bring it back to Council.

556
00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:12,030
I have a mayor.

557
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:18,550
May I ask of the Council just a question if we wanted to take a look at, you know, things

558
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:19,150
you happen.

559
00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:20,990
This gentleman got sick.

560
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:24,030
We were able to review his resume.

561
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:32,310
I was just wondering if the council would be willing to maybe look at postponing this or

562
00:50:33,150 --> 00:50:40,770
other option if we want to explore that right now before we thank you. Sure. I'm not interested in postponing it because we have a joint

563
00:50:40,770 --> 00:50:43,970
CFEC meeting and we have two very qualified applicants and

564
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:49,230
the conversation surrounding this item also is

565
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:50,210
regarding

566
00:50:51,550 --> 00:51:20,010
changing the timeline on this as well as holding over the other application because we have two more openings in about 60 days or 90 days and we didn't want to have to start all over again so I would be interested in the other applicants application being held over but I will certainly I if I were to weigh in I would agree with you, especially since we have the similar situation with the planning commission and I think that would make that person feel left.

567
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:24,550
you know like they didn't get a fair you know I just think to keep you know

568
00:51:24,550 --> 00:51:29,530
keep things consistent we should just unfortunately I'm sorry to hear that

569
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:37,090
he's not well but I would tend to agree I think that we don't need to hold it

570
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:42,350
over let's just look at the one day can see right now yeah I agree as well I think

571
00:51:42,350 --> 00:51:47,050
the fact that we've got the two open seats coming up January 31st

572
00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:55,970
Lins itself well to taking care of business tonight and then having that the second applicant tonight hold over to that to that next date

573
00:51:56,830 --> 00:51:58,370
Thank you. I appreciate that

574
00:51:58,990 --> 00:52:02,770
So that being said we have one applicant are you interested in?

575
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:08,930
Reviewing that applicant or would you like to just okay? I see one yes, no

576
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:16,810
Yeah, I'm I know yeah, I'm comfortable perhaps we can ask it's a four or once perhaps we can ask mr

577
00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:22,170
to come forward and provide a brief statement in regards to your application.

578
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,820
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

579
00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:34,840
As you know, I'm already interested in how this city works, finances are minor in business

580
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:40,400
with economics and I've read these CFAC reports as boring as they are.

581
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,580
I'm excited to see maybe I can contribute to the analysis.

582
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:47,940
You've had some fantastic people, some recent subcommittee reports there,

583
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:52,240
or just amazing and if I can provide an opportunity

584
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,480
to work with you, I'll be more happy to take care

585
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,020
of this short term or however pleased to be appointed.

586
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:58,680
Thank you.

587
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,220
Thank you, Mr. Brannon.

588
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,300
Wait, before you leave Mr. Brannon,

589
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:04,800
any questions of Mr. Brannon?

590
00:53:06,340 --> 00:53:06,760
No.

591
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,700
Nope, thank you, Mr. Brannon.

592
00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:09,800
I'm way appreciate you're applying.

593
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,320
So we have some options this evening

594
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,740
that were presented by staff

595
00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:22,060
regarding the open positions because we have three seats that would be opening on

596
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:30,620
January 31st. The suggestion would be to make this opening vacancy a four-year

597
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:35,580
term so that it would set off from the other two so we don't have three seats

598
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:39,420
opening up at the same time and this applicant doesn't have to reapply in three

599
00:53:39,420 --> 00:53:46,080
months. So that would be an option there. Anyone comments?

600
00:53:46,220 --> 00:53:48,840
I like that option, Mayor.

601
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,320
Can you repeat that? I'm sorry. Let me turn it over to the city clerk.

602
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:59,860
Yeah, thank you, Mayor. The recommendation to avoid having three seats

603
00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:06,640
term out at one time was to extend this term for two more years so the term

604
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:14,680
in January 31st, 2028. So it'd be just over a two-year term for the remainder of this term.

605
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:21,400
And then we would have two seats available January 31st of 26 and two seats in 2027.

606
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,220
That sounds like a good solution to me. So it's staggered so we don't have that with three

607
00:54:27,220 --> 00:54:33,600
openings. So where, pardon me, the reason that I asked is I wanted to be Mr. Brandon, if I may

608
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,720
address you. I wanted to make sure that you were aware of how long the term was.

609
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:40,120
Okay, great.

610
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:50,050
That was one consideration and the second consideration then was to hold

611
00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:55,590
over this applicant if they are in rest and still holding up this seat that they would not need

612
00:54:55,590 --> 00:55:00,910
to reapply and the application would just move forward to the January openings with the two seats

613
00:55:00,910 --> 00:55:05,310
to open there. I agree. Okay. So with that I will ask for a motion.

614
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:09,930
I approve. I move

615
00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:10,870
that we approve.

616
00:55:13,450 --> 00:55:22,630
Eight A, which is appointing Mr. Barry Brandon to the CFAC advisory board for

617
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:23,190
two years.

618
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:32,000
Oh, and that we're going to carry forward the prior applicant or the applicant

619
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,460
that wasn't able to come tonight.

620
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:36,120
Do I have a second?

621
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,420
I'll second that please.

622
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:39,860
That was difficult.

623
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Sorry, everybody.

624
00:55:41,540 --> 00:55:42,020
No, that was good.

625
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:42,660
Thank you.

626
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:42,900
All in favor.

627
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:43,760
Aye, aye.

628
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:44,660
Opposed?

629
00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:45,880
Motion carries.

630
00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:47,720
Mr. Brandon, thank you for joining us.

631
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:51,200
And I also see our CFAC chair here this evening.

632
00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:52,900
Mr. Peck, thank you for joining us.

633
00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:55,700
We look forward to our joint meeting next week.

634
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,400
And Mr. Brandon, you have a lot of homework.

635
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,840
Thank you.

636
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:10,040
And Mr. Brown, or excuse me, Mr. Jones, Michael Jones, sorry about that, it was like a sleep last night, definitely.

637
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Thank you for applying and we hope that you will hold your application over for our January openings.

638
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:17,200
Thank you.

639
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,620
Without a move on to item 8B and turn this over to our ICM and Finance Department.

640
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:26,840
Thank you again. Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

641
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:37,540
This is the subject of tonight's item 8B is adopt resolution number 5425 which revises the City of More Bay Community Grant Policy.

642
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:42,720
Just briefly as background, the city has annually allocated grant funds to various community groups.

643
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:54,500
Those funds have ranged from approximately $7,000 in fiscal year 2015-16 up to a total of 60,000 in fiscal year 223.

644
00:56:54,500 --> 00:57:02,140
This year, fiscal year 2526, the adopted budget includes $35,000 of grant funds to allocate

645
00:57:02,140 --> 00:57:03,180
from the general fund.

646
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:10,000
These grants and funds are a mechanism by which the City Council and the City can assist

647
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,280
non-profit agencies in providing director and direct services to the Morabe residents

648
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,000
and community.

649
00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:23,600
In 2019, the City Council adopted Resolution 6719, which approved the Community Grants

650
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:29,720
policy and addressed the types of activities and organizations that could apply and as

651
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:36,040
well as the evaluation criteria and a number of guidelines for applicants to follow for

652
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,500
submission of those requests.

653
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:46,060
The policy documents and procedures that were outlined in resolution 67-19 have been used

654
00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:51,540
for the past five years and we have heard over those years, especially in recent years,

655
00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:57,900
that the application is unnecessarily repetitive and somewhat confusing and the overall process

656
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:02,840
seems onerous. So we're bringing this item to you tonight to consider streamlining the

657
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,640
process. We're asking you tonight to discuss and provide feedback on the revised policy

658
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:13,260
document that's attached to the staff report, the potential priority projects or use of funds,

659
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:18,800
and to also discuss the review and approval process for the award of grant funds. And then

660
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,440
consider whether you would like to set a maximum funding level per application.

661
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,660
In the staff report, we then go on to provide you, if you do make changes tonight, we'll

662
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:35,080
go ahead and advertise the grant period and follow through, awarding the grants potentially

663
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,220
at the December 9th meeting, and that would mean the successful applicants would have about

664
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:45,760
six or seven months to complete their awarded projects a little bit shorter time than typical.

665
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:53,660
Just to conclude, we believe that this revised policy will improve the city's effectiveness

666
00:58:53,660 --> 00:59:00,120
with this program and recommend that you consider adopting Resolution 54-25.

667
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,200
I'm having to answer any questions, but we've really got two experts here with us tonight

668
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,520
that have worked with us policy for a number of years at City Clerk, Dennis Swanson, and

669
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,140
our finance director, Emily Conrad, and I'll turn it back to you, Mayor.

670
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:18,840
Thank you very much. Ms. Looker, questions for staff? Council Member Loughey, questions?

671
00:59:21,590 --> 00:59:33,990
The one question, Finance Director Emily Comrade, is do you actually review all the applicants

672
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:42,570
and then recommend the awards right now currently, if I may ask, or is do you just basically

673
00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:47,470
you do like an expel spread sheet of all the people that apply and then send it to our

674
00:59:47,470 --> 00:59:48,850
way. How's that handled please?

675
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:52,770
Thank you. I'm going to need to

676
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,800
So correct me if I'm incorrect, but I believe we just compile them for city council's review or subcommittee of city council for their review and selection. If I may, mayor, can I help out with that since I've been a part of the process. So councilmember Lafay, the last couple years. I was assisted with two members of CFAC. This last year it was Jean Johnson and Brian Dwarfman.

677
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:47,740
and we went through, I believe it was 16 applications that were submitted for a total of $60,000 in award money, and that's how we were doing it, and we kind of divvied up the funds and awarded the funds, and then it was brought to full council that helps.

678
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,480
No, I did. I remember the two meetings. I went to both CFAC and the city council.

679
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:59,740
So truthfully, they were very laborious to listen to.

680
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,380
If we're even considering, in my opinion, awarding any grants to any nonprofits,

681
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:10,300
it has to be handled a different way as far as I'm concerned.

682
01:01:10,580 --> 01:01:12,620
I'm not sure what that way is, but-

683
01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:14,540
Well, just two questions, first one, thank you.

684
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:15,700
Thank you.

685
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:23,600
I guess I'll ask Ms. Swanson, because I don't think Ms. Conrad is here in 2013-2014.

686
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:41,010
So that's when this program started and the money from that at that time it was we got this note that it was $73,000 and that was all from the general fund at that time.

687
01:01:41,010 --> 01:02:04,340
I believe so at that time there was no formal policy in place so during the budget process on profit agencies that were aware that the city might be awarding some funds would be listed and the council would divvy up them a little bit of money that was available it was to 7 to 9,000 range.

688
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:21,240
And that had gone on for a few years and then they determined it would be better to make a policy and have a process where all non-profits have an opportunity to apply for and be considered to grant funds and fund projects that will fit the community.

689
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:30,400
And then 73,000 is quite a bit more than in the subsequent years and so it would not must have been like a windfall year or something.

690
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:36,600
I believe that was when ARPA funds were available, which would, you know, increase the amount available for about three years.

691
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:38,980
Oh, okay. All right, thank you.

692
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:46,360
And I want to make sure you heard that I spoke clearly in the $7,000 to $9,000 range, not $79.

693
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,520
So in the early years, it was a very small amount that was available for a time.

694
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,920
Well, I mean, this one year, this particular year, 13 and 14 was $73,000.

695
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:06,480
So in that year, $58,000 of that amount was paid to the Morabe tourism bureau.

696
01:03:06,860 --> 01:03:12,660
So I think there was an arrangement for a one-time payment there, so only $15,000 of grants

697
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:13,940
were awarded to non-profit.

698
01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:14,260
Okay.

699
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:15,020
Thank you.

700
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:17,060
Yeah.

701
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,200
Just for clarification, that would have been before ARPA funds, and I believe it was when

702
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:28,020
the city was paying for the tourism to be open, the tourism bureau was separate.

703
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,500
Go ahead, Council Member, if you have any questions.

704
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:44,160
I think what my biggest question is is having done this, I agree, Council Member Lafay.

705
01:03:44,260 --> 01:03:48,600
It was a very cumbersome project for us.

706
01:03:48,600 --> 01:04:03,360
And it oftentimes, you know, can be more subjective because we weren't getting a lot of the quantified and qualified things that we needed from, I think, the applicants.

707
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:15,380
And that made it more complicated, and in fact, I think it possibly would have eliminated some had we asked for more details, I think.

708
01:04:15,380 --> 01:04:19,880
I appreciate this scoring rubric, rubric.

709
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:25,260
We didn't have this when we were going through the process, and

710
01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:30,740
the only thing that I would ask is that did staff go through and

711
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:45,000
compare the rubric with the application, because it would just be to me it would make sense that it would allow for ease that the applicant would be filling out the same things.

712
01:04:45,000 --> 01:05:01,900
And we would just, you know, go through our list and make sure that we got the answers that we needed or if we needed more information or something was missing, then we can kind of, you know, disqualify or qualify was that considered because I noticed there are discrepancies.

713
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:07,980
It's really hard to follow between the two and if that was considered or if we could consider doing that.

714
01:05:07,980 --> 01:05:18,360
If that makes sense, that was the intent was to ensure the questions led them to having

715
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,820
a successful application and scored by the rubric and also they would be provided with

716
01:05:22,820 --> 01:05:25,500
the scoring rubric so they would know what they were being judged against.

717
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,320
Okay, thank you.

718
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:33,220
I did not know that we were going to be supplying them with rubric so that's great.

719
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:33,900
Thank you.

720
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:37,800
because I did question that as I was going through everything.

721
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:46,820
The other question that I did have was what you were referring to in the collaborative

722
01:05:46,820 --> 01:05:51,840
requests area that I think it's down lower on the form.

723
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:55,920
And were you meaning, because that's confusing to me.

724
01:05:56,220 --> 01:06:00,000
So I guess I want to ask the question, does that, were you meaning two nonprofits working

725
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,460
together so they were, was that what you were referring to?

726
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,300
Any directives to what you're looking at?

727
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,320
Yeah, let me get it right on the

728
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:24,110
application form.

729
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,160
Yes, item F and it reads, if a collaborative request please provide a description of prior

730
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,380
collaboration activities and proposed responsibilities of collaborative members.

731
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:39,140
Yes,

732
01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:47,010
I would just comment that while that has not happened it could be that two nonprofits

733
01:06:49,790 --> 01:06:50,390
and

734
01:06:53,240 --> 01:07:16,240
the other one that I had was that if the community grant funding was used for travel because travel and expenses is mentioned on the application form, this was also something that I found, you know, if you're paying for the travel and expenses, you know, how is that going to benefit, you know, a larger group.

735
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:24,140
So to me, that was maybe more applicable to an individual, so maybe fewer people would benefit from that.

736
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:30,020
So I was a little confused about that part, and then there was also a mention about events, too.

737
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,000
And so I just wanted to put those out there.

738
01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:45,020
That events was mentioned in an area, and I did not know if this was being used for that or not.

739
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:47,840
So, I was just a question I had.

740
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,820
I don't have any questions.

741
01:07:54,020 --> 01:07:54,920
Thank you.

742
01:07:55,460 --> 01:07:56,100
Oh, yeah.

743
01:07:56,180 --> 01:07:57,800
I just wanted to know when it became.

744
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,280
When it was see fact that was.

745
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:03,800
You know, going through this.

746
01:08:03,820 --> 01:08:04,620
Was it always that way?

747
01:08:07,580 --> 01:08:10,260
My recollection is that some years.

748
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:13,560
The council subcommittee led a community,

749
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,760
a group of community members not affiliated with the non-profits, of course.

750
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:24,400
and they did a group review and then brought a recommendation to Council and more recently maybe the last two or three years it's been

751
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:32,580
Consolease on to the seat back along with two seat back members that did that internal or pre review prior to Council

752
01:08:32,580 --> 01:08:38,760
Right. Thank you. Any other questions but that I will open public comment on this item

753
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:54,010
Good evening Council Mayor my name is Dean Allen Quest. I am the CEO for the Morabay Chamber of Commerce

754
01:08:55,270 --> 01:09:00,790
I appreciate the city's commitment to accountability, but we have concerns about how these policies

755
01:09:00,790 --> 01:09:04,990
changes will affect the organizations doing frontline work in Moral Bay.

756
01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:11,490
I acknowledge why these policies exist last year the city received 16 grant applications

757
01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:16,910
requesting $114,000 against a $60,000 available funding.

758
01:09:17,650 --> 01:09:22,550
We support accountability and proper documentation of how public funds are used.

759
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:36,430
Something to consider, these changes disproportionately burden smaller organizations in our community, the ones often run by one or two part-time staff members doing the most direct work with various populations.

760
01:09:37,250 --> 01:09:50,670
The enhanced documentation requirements, detailed expense tracking, June 30th spending deadline, and July 31st reporting deadline create a significant administrative load for our smaller nonprofit operations.

761
01:09:50,670 --> 01:09:56,290
that are operating on smaller budgets, the staff time required to manage these compliance

762
01:09:56,290 --> 01:09:59,850
requirements can exceed the value of the grant itself.

763
01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:09,010
For example, Monday, the Chamber hosted a nonprofit roundtable, and we had 17 nonprofits

764
01:10:09,010 --> 01:10:10,370
in the community attend.

765
01:10:11,210 --> 01:10:17,730
One of the larger nonprofits in our county, which will remain nameless, said they spent more

766
01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:25,770
more money than they received due to the laborious requirements that were needed for these grants.

767
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:31,930
Asking organizations with limited capacity to meet the same administrative standards

768
01:10:31,930 --> 01:10:36,290
as larger nonprofits with full-time finance staff is not equitable.

769
01:10:37,050 --> 01:10:40,910
We've reviewed the scoring rubric you'll use to evaluate applications.

770
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:44,570
It's well designed but it has an implicit bias that concerns us.

771
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:46,810
look at the assessment evaluation category.

772
01:10:47,010 --> 01:10:49,950
It requires clear picture of how data will be collected

773
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:53,250
to demonstrate the degree to which outcomes are met.

774
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:56,730
That language assumes established systems

775
01:10:56,730 --> 01:10:58,830
and sophisticated infrastructures.

776
01:10:59,390 --> 01:11:03,110
Many grassroots organizations excel at delivering services,

777
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:06,770
but lack the capacity to build data collection systems.

778
01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:12,110
For example, a food bank serving 100 families monthly

779
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:14,270
might score poorly on this evaluation

780
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:28,930
Despite an obvious and measurable impact, this tool will systematically disadvantage the organizations that may be most responsive to immediate local needs, but lack the infrastructure of established agencies.

781
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:34,070
So this was the second roundtable we've had with our nonprofits.

782
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:40,570
Many of these nonprofits are run by one, maybe two individuals, and a number of volunteers.

783
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:48,110
So this does put an undue burden on their staff, whether they have the ability or

784
01:11:49,150 --> 01:11:52,650
the education to even do some of the things that are required.

785
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:55,250
Thank you.

786
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,840
Betty, when holds again, Morabe.

787
01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:13,260
On your first page on the very first sentence, it says the City of Morabe is a full

788
01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:19,460
service city providing police, fire protection, public works, harbor, recreation, and community

789
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:24,480
development. Where is the word parks? I think the word parks needs to be in there.

790
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:30,160
That's something that we're very proud of and it's one of our major assets and that people

791
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:37,420
both locally and outside enjoy. So I'd encourage you to add that. I would like to agree with

792
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:43,380
the previous speaker that this has been and to some extent still is a laborious process.

793
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:51,260
It's so formal, you know, I think back to when Neil Farrell who works on the Stereo Bay

794
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:57,420
News, he and three other people got together back in the early 1990s and said, let's put

795
01:12:57,420 --> 01:12:59,160
some murals up around Moro Bay.

796
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:04,160
And it was like four volunteers and they worked it and they came to the city and they asked

797
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,220
for a little bit of money.

798
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,640
How would that fit in something like this today?

799
01:13:09,140 --> 01:13:13,320
I think this is overly still burdensome to some extent.

800
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,500
It's very formal.

801
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,680
I don't know that it needs to be this formal.

802
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:23,620
I think a lot of it's cleaned up when you look at attachment A, and they've taken out

803
01:13:23,620 --> 01:13:24,420
of a lot of stuff.

804
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:32,260
But I don't know if attachment one, the application itself, is new or old, and it's just

805
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:38,740
And in some places, it actually asks the same question in two different ways as was stated earlier.

806
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:47,780
So, and for me, the Rubik also has built in bias because it's subjective.

807
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,600
Is this an exemplary project based on what?

808
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:57,300
And so, I know you need to have something, I don't know if this is it, and

809
01:13:57,300 --> 01:14:05,680
And it's a little bit too much for me and so I encourage you to go back to the drawing board or at least pair it down somewhat.

810
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:08,280
The application's five pages long. That's crazy.

811
01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:13,980
Anyone else for public comment on this item?

812
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:16,940
A.G.P. Are there any raised hands in the queue?

813
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:19,340
No, Madam Mayor, there are no raised hands in the queue.

814
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:22,700
Thank you with that. I will close public comment and bring it back to council.

815
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:25,160
Any other questions before we go into the.

816
01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:29,160
I will start down on my right, Council Member Lafay.

817
01:14:30,220 --> 01:14:43,020
Well, having not started to nonprofits here in Moral Bay and having heard what I just, you know, tried to read here, I think this whole policy needs to be scrapped.

818
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:53,720
I am not in favor of even doing a grant policy this year as far as I'm concerned. Until it becomes more simplified, I agree with the last speaker.

819
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:53,800
here.

820
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,020
The viable project should be done, not so much like we're doing it right now, but to be very

821
01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:10,860
honest with you, I'm not a favor of continuing this program this year.

822
01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:16,990
I have no comments

823
01:15:16,990 --> 01:15:17,450
right now.

824
01:15:18,750 --> 01:15:20,530
Mr. Pro Tem, comments?

825
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:30,310
Yeah. Council Member Lefei, I had thought along the same lines, but felt that maybe that

826
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:31,930
That would be a different discussion.

827
01:15:32,830 --> 01:15:40,430
So it's interesting to hear that from you as it, you know, we have dwindling money.

828
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:43,630
We went from 60,000 to 35,000.

829
01:15:44,350 --> 01:15:51,350
And my challenge with this is you have a few reoccurring submissions.

830
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:59,330
And so if you get multiple reoccurring submissions, how are we going to then accommodate for that?

831
01:15:59,330 --> 01:16:02,430
Are we going to say that, you know, we rotate that around?

832
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:06,110
I just, I think there is further discussion to be had.

833
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:14,870
I also felt that community benefit, you know, we look at, I know that we've had submissions

834
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:24,170
where, you know, there was one person being brought in to, you know, conduct a speaking engagement

835
01:16:24,170 --> 01:16:40,770
to we get high schoolers maybe sent to Hawaii to Moral Bay in Bloom, where we know that there is a large benefit to what they do in terms of the greater community who had impacts.

836
01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:57,810
So, that becomes a challenge determining what is that community impact, which is to me the criteria that we want to be looking at, but then how do you measure that?

837
01:16:58,130 --> 01:17:07,350
So, say by the sea productions, for example, if we're getting lighting or seating for them, by the sea productions could say, here's the estimate.

838
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:13,290
this is and cost it out get an estimate and they could say we do I don't know 25

839
01:17:13,290 --> 01:17:19,270
performances a year and 50 people come and we so we could have a really good

840
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:27,330
metric of you know the return on what we're giving awarding them so again to

841
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:34,390
one of our speakers comments yeah is this getting too laborious for what we're

842
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:39,210
we're trying to achieve with this grant awarding.

843
01:17:39,730 --> 01:17:41,890
So those are my comments right now.

844
01:17:43,630 --> 01:17:44,830
Council member Eccles.

845
01:17:45,370 --> 01:17:45,950
Thank you Madam Mayor.

846
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:49,850
First I wanna thank staff for doing the good work

847
01:17:49,850 --> 01:17:51,710
on the revision of the policy.

848
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:56,890
I run a 501C3

849
01:17:56,890 --> 01:17:59,750
and I've been on both sides of the grant equation.

850
01:18:00,070 --> 01:18:02,370
I've served on grant review committees as well.

851
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:14,430
Again, the work that staff did on this is really a high level for, I would say, grants of maybe $50 to $100,000 and above.

852
01:18:15,150 --> 01:18:20,010
So staff provided us with an option for best practices.

853
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:29,090
That said, it also frustrates me that staff resources were used on this.

854
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:32,790
I feel similar sentiment to Council Member Lafay.

855
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:39,550
Okay, I think this is a well-intentioned program, but honestly, I feel it's not something

856
01:18:39,550 --> 01:18:44,410
that the city should be doing at all, particularly with general funds, because what happens

857
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:53,090
is these are taxpayer dollars that are in the city coffers, and they're designed to provide

858
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:58,410
for the essential services that one of our public speakers mentioned, public safety streets,

859
01:18:58,410 --> 01:19:13,450
rates, infrastructure, facilities, parks, and I don't think that general fund dollars should be redistributed as gifts based on really the subjective notions of five individuals.

860
01:19:13,690 --> 01:19:19,210
I think those general fund dollars should stay in the general fund and be spent on city services for what they're meant for.

861
01:19:19,210 --> 01:19:20,250
I

862
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:30,840
made a few notes, yeah, and I'll just conclude by saying, the CEO of the Chamber of Commerce

863
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:38,260
made an excellent point that the staff time on the recipient can exceed the value of the

864
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:44,240
grant received and in looking at this process, I would say that's a factual statement, but

865
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:45,560
that's only half the equation.

866
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:55,420
The other half is the staff time and effort on the city's behalf, the process, the accounting, and then the council time.

867
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:06,940
So I, at this point, and I think it's something that can be addressed, that will need to address down the road, maybe simplifying the processes was done before on individual basis.

868
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:23,580
But for tonight, I would love for us to move down the direction of just rescinding the original resolution, 6-7-19, and then taking it down the road as Councilmember LaFace stated as well. Thank you.

869
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:25,720
Thank you, Councilmembers.

870
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:33,860
I mean, I want to start out by saying that the three years coming up that I've been up on the

871
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:38,880
Dias and been a part of this, all the nonprofits are worthy of our support.

872
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:44,440
And so it is always difficult when you choose the ones and not the others.

873
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,420
And that in itself is always a little unsettling.

874
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:55,380
I mean, we're fortunate that there are a lot of service clubs that are very supportive

875
01:20:55,380 --> 01:20:59,540
of the fundraising and provide a lot of funding for a lot of these organizations.

876
01:21:00,260 --> 01:21:05,900
And I know, I think we all know during these challenging times financially that all the

877
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:08,520
nonprofits are looking for whatever support they can get.

878
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:15,540
That means that $35,000, when we spend an hour up here deliberating and we're talking

879
01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:44,580
in about multi-million dollar budgets and infrastructure projects at use of our time in productivity, I would rather, and I agree with, I think, most of the sentiment up here that I would be interested in pausing this, rescinding it and re-evaluating what it would look like we have as was alluded to in kind requests that come to us, we had one that was made and we haven't responded back yet.

880
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:48,220
that we had the one with the murals with Mr. Farrell where they did that.

881
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:56,380
They're in kind request that we support through the recreation department on fee reductions and permit waivers,

882
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:01,980
or where our community services organizations, whether it be the volunteers at the police,

883
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,880
or somewhere partner up and help with nonprofits and things.

884
01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:11,220
Looking at partnerships, how the city can perhaps we can support some of these nonprofits,

885
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:17,580
but through a partnership with them instead of doing this whole process picking and choosing.

886
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:19,560
I mean, yes, you are still to a point.

887
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,320
You would want some criteria of how that partnership with that looks like.

888
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,480
And I think that those are things that I know are coming back to us.

889
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:31,540
I would look for a head nod from the city managers for as events, policies,

890
01:22:31,540 --> 01:22:34,380
and economic development, which are both coming back to us.

891
01:22:34,380 --> 01:22:39,140
And it seems like this is something that could fit within those two conversations.

892
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,740
I don't want us to just do a way and I agree with the taxpayer's dollars, but I also feel

893
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,880
have an opportunity to help support these organizations, especially those in our community.

894
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:59,380
And even the county ones that we've supported are all worthy and some, but I think we get

895
01:22:59,380 --> 01:23:06,200
approach it maybe in a different way that might be less cumbersome than this process and

896
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,900
and still allow us to participate in supporting some of those.

897
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:17,880
So, my hope out of this is that in those two conversations with economic development and event policies, we can revisit these.

898
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,120
The Chair will be willing to entertain a motion.

899
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,720
And with the Chair's indulgence, I'll check with the city attorney.

900
01:23:28,180 --> 01:23:36,040
Is the language proper and just saying to rescind if I move to rescind resolution number six, seven, dash one, nine.

901
01:23:39,400 --> 01:24:04,480
I'm not sure how the city has historically done that and whether the clerk would have a preference on making sure that it's clear in the record, that the resolution that would be rescinded has been rescinded so we can definitely adopt the resolution to rescind the resolution or I think it's also appropriate to just do it by motion and have it reflected in the minutes but I want to be cognizant of maybe historical practices

902
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,240
cases or just so we don't have this outlier.

903
01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:13,060
In this case, the motion makes sense because we're not amending the policy which is simply

904
01:24:13,060 --> 01:24:14,540
resending for me.

905
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:16,480
Thank you.

906
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:17,500
I appreciate it.

907
01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:23,400
Given the guidance that I just received, I move that the Morabase City Council rescind

908
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,800
resolution number 67-19.

909
01:24:26,380 --> 01:24:26,960
I'll second that.

910
01:24:27,460 --> 01:24:27,840
Thank you.

911
01:24:28,180 --> 01:24:29,360
Voice vote all in favour?

912
01:24:29,940 --> 01:24:30,140
Aye.

913
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:31,380
Opposed?

914
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:32,720
Motion carries.

915
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:33,380
thank you.

916
01:24:35,610 --> 01:24:41,670
Being on to item 8c, short-term rental ordinance implementation, quarterly update.

917
01:24:43,860 --> 01:24:47,480
Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm Mayor Lansingwell of your committee development director

918
01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:51,780
and I have a PowerPoint presentation here. AGP could pull it up.

919
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:55,150
Thank you, AGP.

920
01:24:55,810 --> 01:25:00,290
So when the committee development department started our implementation and enforcement

921
01:25:00,290 --> 01:25:04,810
of the short-term rental ordinance, I committed to providing quarterly updates to the City Council.

922
01:25:04,810 --> 01:25:10,370
I'm pleased this evening to provide the third quarterly update of the year.

923
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:15,310
This has been a real collaborative effort with our planning division, building division,

924
01:25:15,670 --> 01:25:19,990
co-enforcement, finance department, city manager, city attorney, and I'm really pleased

925
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:25,450
to be able to highlight our accomplishments today with implementing and enforcing the

926
01:25:25,450 --> 01:25:26,270
short-term rental ordinance.

927
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:33,390
I'll briefly go over the background that I believe the council is fairly familiar with already.

928
01:25:33,390 --> 01:25:39,810
So the current version of the short-term rental ordinance was enacted in September of 2021.

929
01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:46,770
In the beginning of this year, we initiated what we've been calling an audit of all of the existing

930
01:25:47,770 --> 01:25:54,050
STRs to get them all into compliance and to issue short-term rental permits.

931
01:25:55,750 --> 01:26:00,950
And our last quarterly update in June, the council did authorize issuing new STR permits for

932
01:26:00,950 --> 01:26:03,050
commercial property, properties only.

933
01:26:03,390 --> 01:26:05,830
So, so far with this annual audit process,

934
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:08,490
we've only been issuing an STR renewal permits,

935
01:26:09,090 --> 01:26:11,110
but in June council authorized the department

936
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:13,110
to begin issuing new STR permits

937
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:14,470
for commercialized-owned properties.

938
01:26:15,070 --> 01:26:18,810
We haven't received any viable applications yet

939
01:26:18,810 --> 01:26:22,270
for a new STR on a commercialized-owned property.

940
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:25,230
We received some interest from landowners.

941
01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:27,990
However, the properties for various reasons

942
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:30,510
were not eligible to be used as short-term rentals.

943
01:26:30,510 --> 01:26:32,970
so we weren't able to issue those STR permits.

944
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:38,970
And in August of this year, we initiated our proactive

945
01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:41,670
code enforcement efforts on the STR ordinance,

946
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:44,110
so working with a company called Decker,

947
01:26:44,290 --> 01:26:48,750
they have a web service called Rental Skate,

948
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:51,570
that allows city staff to identify all of the short

949
01:26:51,570 --> 01:26:54,930
credentials that are advertising on the various online hosting

950
01:26:54,930 --> 01:26:55,510
platforms.

951
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:58,330
We compare those records to our permitting records.

952
01:26:58,330 --> 01:27:06,530
and then if we identify illegally operating SCRs we issue cease and assist orders and take action to shut them down.

953
01:27:10,830 --> 01:27:20,170
So here are the numbers outlined in the staff report just letting the council and public know where we are so far this year with our STR renewal permits.

954
01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:25,910
So looking at the column on the right hand side for October, the current update.

955
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:36,170
So we've identified 251 properties that at some point in time have had a business license or a TOT account for a short-term rental.

956
01:27:36,510 --> 01:27:40,010
We call those our total known on record short-term rental.

957
01:27:40,170 --> 01:27:42,070
So that's what we start with.

958
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:47,910
Through this year's process, we've closed 86 of those for various reasons.

959
01:27:48,730 --> 01:27:55,450
Many of them, we send out a notice letting them know that they need to apply for a short-term rental permit.

960
01:27:55,450 --> 01:28:00,050
and inspection and meet all the requirements of the ordinance then we hear back say they're not

961
01:28:00,050 --> 01:28:07,730
interested in continuing to operate and so they close out and we have others that have just

962
01:28:07,730 --> 01:28:14,090
the sunsetted out. Additionally we've received five applications that were not eligible for renewal

963
01:28:14,090 --> 01:28:21,650
for various reasons and we denied those applications. That leads us or results in 160 will be called

964
01:28:21,650 --> 01:28:28,910
potentially active short-term rentals and kind of breaking those down. So, so far this year,

965
01:28:29,010 --> 01:28:35,530
we've issued 86 STR renewal permits. There's 45 currently in process, so those are ones where we

966
01:28:35,530 --> 01:28:40,610
they've applied. We've started reviewing them and they, you know, some of them just still need an

967
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:45,590
inspection to be completed or we're still verifying that they met the minimum TOT requirement,

968
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:50,170
verifying that they may all have required requirements before we can issue that permit.

969
01:28:50,170 --> 01:28:55,870
And the third category here is STR renewal permits that have not started at 27.

970
01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:59,890
These are ones where simply they haven't received our letter yet to start the process.

971
01:29:00,170 --> 01:29:05,950
Because we time these renewal letters with the current business license and

972
01:29:05,950 --> 01:29:09,910
those all expire on a monthly, at the end of the month, each month, throughout the year.

973
01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:16,890
So we still have a couple more rounds of letters to send out to start renewals on those 27.

974
01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:26,810
And then there's an additional two STR permits that we've denied, and those have been appealed, and they're appending appeal hearings or settlement agreements.

975
01:29:30,940 --> 01:29:39,240
So the big question that comes up is we are all aware of the cap of 175 full home, residential, short-term rentals.

976
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:42,300
So where are we relative to that 175 cap?

977
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:54,080
At the last update in June, I reported that there were currently 137 potential full home residential SCRs that are permitted and that number is now down to

978
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,540
Potential commercial zone, short-term rentals and 16 residential home shares, and of course, the commercial and STRs and the home shares are not subject to the 175 cap.

979
01:30:13,580 --> 01:30:32,180
Here's a map showing all of the short-term rentals that were listed out on the previous slide. Of course, it's not easy to read at this scale, but these maps are attached to the staff report and available for the public and council to review. They are color-coded with the orange dots representing the short-term rental

980
01:30:32,180 --> 01:30:37,380
permits that are in process, the green ones representing the 86 issued SCR permits and

981
01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:41,880
yellow dots are the ones the 27 that haven't started yet and then the red are the ones

982
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:47,620
that have been closed or denied. And the circle around the dots on the left represents the 175

983
01:30:47,620 --> 01:30:49,500
foot buffer requirement.

984
01:30:53,900 --> 01:30:59,060
As I mentioned beginning in August of this year the city started our

985
01:30:59,060 --> 01:31:04,960
proactive code enforcement efforts to close down illegally operating short-term rentals using

986
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:14,380
Decor's rental skate. We've issued a season assist orders to 15 properties so far.

987
01:31:14,620 --> 01:31:20,200
Again, these are ones that are advertising as STRs, but they don't have the required permits.

988
01:31:21,060 --> 01:31:25,560
I'm working with a number of property owners. There's so many different variations and

989
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:31,760
different situations that we need to sort through. Some of these STRs do have a path to compliance,

990
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,760
other's have no pass to compliance.

991
01:31:38,340 --> 01:31:49,140
As I outlined in the staff report, there is a option for the council to direct staff to bring back an ordinance to increase the fines for short term rentals.

992
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,980
I do what I mentioned like we've talked about a previous council meetings.

993
01:31:53,460 --> 01:32:00,860
Our goal when imposing fines is to achieve compliance. Compliance is always our goal. We're not looking to penalize or collect revenue.

994
01:32:00,860 --> 01:32:04,900
it's all about using fines as a tool to get short-term rentals into compliance,

995
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:09,060
whether that means shutting down or coming in and getting the required permits.

996
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:15,480
Our current citation penalty structure and the municipal code is established

997
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:20,560
per state law and the way it works is after we issue a cease and assist order,

998
01:32:20,780 --> 01:32:24,640
giving the time frame to achieve compliance if that compliance is not achieved

999
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:37,380
by the deadline, will issue a $100 citation for the first violation, $200 citation for the second violation and a $500 citation for the third violation if those are within a one year time period.

1000
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:52,640
Again, those amounts are prescribed by state law, however, another state law went into effect a few years ago, SB 60, which does authorize cities to increase the penalties for short-term rentals that do not comply with local short-term rental ordinances.

1001
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:59,120
There are some limitations on those penalties so they have to be based on a

1002
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:06,200
demonstrated health and safety issue and it can't be for an initial failure to

1003
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:07,740
obtain permits.

1004
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,160
And so just kind of wrapping up the presentation here, there are a

1005
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,980
few decision points where the council may want to provide staff a direction. The

1006
01:33:17,980 --> 01:33:22,680
first is on that question of whether council would like to direct staff to come

1007
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:32,840
I'm back with an ordinance to increase the amount of citations per SB 60 additionally as we're wrapping up our 2025 audit year.

1008
01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:46,520
This is a good time for Council to start thinking and possibly provide direction to staff on the question of do we want to allow a new residential SCR permits to be issued recognizing that at this point.

1009
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:53,780
My staff feels confident in telling the council and public that we are well below that 175 cap on the full-hole residential

1010
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,920
STRs and there are about a hundred and I believe 86 properties on the wait list

1011
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:04,140
Some of which have been waiting on the wait list for quite some time now and just waiting for an opportunity to

1012
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:10,700
Get a permit and legally operate an STR and so this should be a good time for council

1013
01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:15,700
Maybe start a discussion on whether to be interest in releasing some properties off off the wait list

1014
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:16,620
at the end of the year.

1015
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:18,940
And then as part of that discussion,

1016
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:21,780
there is an important distinction between a home share

1017
01:34:21,780 --> 01:34:23,460
and a full home rental.

1018
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,120
So another option could be directing staff to go ahead

1019
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,020
and issue new STR permits but for home shares only

1020
01:34:31,020 --> 01:34:34,320
as the home shares tend to have lesser neighborhood impacts

1021
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:35,720
compared to the full home rentals.

1022
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,200
And also the home shares aren't subject

1023
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,100
to that 175 cap.

1024
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:42,440
And that concludes staff's presentation

1025
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:43,820
and available for questions.

1026
01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:51,080
questions. Thank you, Mr. Singh-Walt. Questions? I'll start on my left, our pro-10. Questions?

1027
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:59,840
Thank you, Mayor. I was curious about how many, let's see,

1028
01:35:03,260 --> 01:35:05,700
have we gone through and evaluated

1029
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:14,340
already those 186 that are on there? Do you know if there are some that would not be viable?

1030
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:20,980
Yeah, that's that's a great question if HEP could just pull up the PowerPoint presentation again.

1031
01:35:21,820 --> 01:35:28,780
So here's those maps and the one on the left you see the red radius the the buffer around all

1032
01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:35,200
of the SCR dots on the map so that represents the 175 but buffer I don't have the wait lists

1033
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:40,180
overlaid on this but you can see there are very high concentrations of short-term rentals

1034
01:35:40,180 --> 01:35:44,640
in certain areas, you know, particularly around the beach track area.

1035
01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:50,640
So for a property to get off the wait list and get an SCR permit to operate as a new

1036
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:55,340
STR, they would have to comply with the 175-foot buffer requirement.

1037
01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:00,780
The reason why we have so many overlapping concentrated STRs on this map is these were all grandfathered

1038
01:36:00,780 --> 01:36:05,720
in and the ordinance specifically exempted these grandfathered STRs from the buffer requirement,

1039
01:36:05,860 --> 01:36:07,920
but a new STR would have to meet the buffer requirement.

1040
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:17,760
So you could see, yet if we overlay the wait list on here that many, many, I imagine well more than half of the wait list properties would be buffered out.

1041
01:36:19,630 --> 01:36:27,810
I really appreciate putting up that slide again, I think it's great for the community and for us to see that visually, so thank you for that.

1042
01:36:30,650 --> 01:36:31,350
Thank you.

1043
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:35,390
My question for you, Director, is on the enforcement issue,

1044
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:39,650
what are some of the challenges that you've run into?

1045
01:36:39,950 --> 01:36:43,170
Is there, once someone figures out

1046
01:36:43,170 --> 01:36:44,850
that they're operating illegally,

1047
01:36:45,970 --> 01:36:48,330
is there a high rate of recidivism,

1048
01:36:48,650 --> 01:36:51,590
or just what's been our experience in terms of enforcement?

1049
01:36:54,420 --> 01:36:58,840
So, it's been mixed, again, every situation

1050
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,140
and is that requiring a lot of research.

1051
01:37:02,260 --> 01:37:05,440
You know, for example, through our decade,

1052
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:07,460
the service that we use,

1053
01:37:07,620 --> 01:37:10,720
we're able to see historic bookings

1054
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,980
and we're able to clearly show that, you know,

1055
01:37:12,980 --> 01:37:15,800
you've had bookings during these time frames

1056
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,820
and we also have reviews that are cataloged by a decker

1057
01:37:19,820 --> 01:37:23,240
that we can, those are actually the most easily

1058
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,080
enforceable, verifiable information that we have.

1059
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:33,220
However, sometimes the SCR operators will dispute that information, and so we have to review

1060
01:37:33,220 --> 01:37:34,480
their records.

1061
01:37:34,820 --> 01:37:40,220
They'll provide us copies of text messages and emails from Airbnb and BRBGO.

1062
01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:45,200
So just sort it through all of that information before you were able to make a final decision

1063
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:49,400
and have a case that we can actually prosecute if we take it to a hearing officer.

1064
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,560
That just requires a lot of work.

1065
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:56,800
the other situation that I alluded to in the staff report is of course

1066
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:01,840
short-term rental is defined as a property renting to guests for stays of

1067
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,500
less than 30 days so we'll have short-term rentals once they receive our

1068
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:10,080
cease and assist order they will change their ad to advertise a minimum of 30 days

1069
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,680
which is in compliance with the ordinance but that requires a lot of follow-up and

1070
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:20,180
staff time to make sure that you know during evenings and weekends and all

1071
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:24,640
All times of the year, it still is listing the property only as a minimum 30-day stay.

1072
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,860
So there are certainly challenges that we're facing with that.

1073
01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:45,060
And last question, do you think that at any time in the future there might be a possibility that the city could get an app that would be used to register all the STRs in the city and the citizens would be able to go on the app and

1074
01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:54,500
and also report violations or check on the permitting status of a particular property.

1075
01:38:54,580 --> 01:38:58,440
It's something that I've talked about for a couple of years, and so I just like to continue

1076
01:38:58,440 --> 01:39:00,660
to bring it up hoping that someday it might happen.

1077
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:07,960
I could see that potentially as a project for an intern or a class at Cuesta or Cal Poly or

1078
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:13,540
in a couple of years we could just have AI do it for us, but I would love to see, well let

1079
01:39:13,540 --> 01:39:14,060
me just ask you.

1080
01:39:14,060 --> 01:39:16,260
Do you think that's a possibility at some time in the future?

1081
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:16,820
Thank you.

1082
01:39:16,940 --> 01:39:19,940
Yes, I think the technology is certainly available.

1083
01:39:20,300 --> 01:39:24,820
I think next year we will have a capacity to focus on something like that.

1084
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:28,980
This year has been a major work effort for my department.

1085
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,260
And Director Conrad is the department as well working together,

1086
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:38,000
inspecting every single one of these thoroughly reviewing all of the insurance information,

1087
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,540
house rules, significant amount of review information for each of these short

1088
01:39:43,300 --> 01:39:45,640
but next year we won't have to do all of that again.

1089
01:39:46,140 --> 01:39:50,860
Next year for the next three years properties will be able to self-certify a lot of that information.

1090
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:56,420
So that's going to free at some time where we can look at some of those additional endeavours such as an app.

1091
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,560
Thank you. I saw a lot of those apps down at that conference.

1092
01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,340
I was just up for the legal city so we may not have to invent.

1093
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,020
I don't have any questions right now. I'll pass it down to my right.

1094
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:26,480
Let's see, so with the penalties, $100, $200 and $500, and then with SB 60, we can increase those to 1500, $3,000 and $5,000.

1095
01:40:26,740 --> 01:40:30,160
Which one of those two scenarios is getting 100% cost recovery?

1096
01:40:34,630 --> 01:40:44,130
So citations aren't, they're set by state law, so it's not like our user fees where we do a fee study to determine what the cost of recovery is.

1097
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:49,570
These are just the maximum citations we can impose under state law with the goal of achieving compliance.

1098
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:50,830
Okay, thank you.

1099
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:58,430
And they can't be initial failure to obtain permits, why not?

1100
01:40:59,150 --> 01:41:06,310
So, I can't say exactly what the legislature had in mind when they enacted it that way,

1101
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:12,670
but if I had to guess, I would say because they are steep fines and there could be property

1102
01:41:12,670 --> 01:41:15,570
owners that claim they didn't realize that permits were required.

1103
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:20,630
So for that, you know, the first time when we notify them saying you'd permit for this,

1104
01:41:20,770 --> 01:41:26,750
we can't impose these steep penalties until they're aware of that and continue to not comply.

1105
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:37,310
Okay, and then well one thing I just wanted to ask if there is a way or do you think it would be more understandable?

1106
01:41:37,710 --> 01:41:39,350
Am I looking at the map wrong?

1107
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:51,070
You showed the two maps and one, the one with the radius that shows the 175 foot radius has also includes the closed ones.

1108
01:41:51,070 --> 01:42:01,330
And to me, am I wrong, it might be helpful to see the other one with the radius too, with the closed ones taken out of it, because they're obsolete now, right?

1109
01:42:02,050 --> 01:42:10,990
No, thank you for the comment. You're 100% correct on that, and that is something I intended to do. We didn't have a chance to create that additional map, but you're correct.

1110
01:42:11,250 --> 01:42:13,070
Okay, maybe the next time or something.

1111
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:22,750
And so did we include or have we addressed unhosted hotels because I feel like this was part

1112
01:42:22,750 --> 01:42:29,030
of the this original ask was the unhosted the definition of what is an unhosted hotel

1113
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:32,270
and how are they because

1114
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:40,480
it kind of gets into if all hotels become unhosted then what do we have

1115
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:46,920
have anymore. You know, they're just kind of these buildings that are being run without

1116
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:48,880
any oversight. And how are we?

1117
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:57,740
So I'm hosted hotel. So I think the best way to describe

1118
01:42:57,740 --> 01:43:03,820
the difference between short-term rental and hosted hotel is a short-term rental is a

1119
01:43:03,820 --> 01:43:10,220
residential use. If you look at our zoning code, it's the finance of residential use, which

1120
01:43:10,220 --> 01:43:14,800
can be difficult to wrap mine around since it does operate similar to a hotel like a commercial

1121
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:20,080
use but by definition it's the short term rental of a residential use versus the unhosted

1122
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:29,700
hotel is commercial structure built to commercial code commercial use. So that's the distinction.

1123
01:43:30,300 --> 01:43:36,940
I think there is some overlap between the two you know there have been some smaller unhosted

1124
01:43:36,940 --> 01:43:41,540
hotels that the planning commission has approved over the last few years where they've added

1125
01:43:41,540 --> 01:43:46,700
a condition that requires the unhosted hotels to comply with all of the short-term rental

1126
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:53,080
regulations since unhosted hotels do present similar impacts as short-term rentals.

1127
01:43:53,420 --> 01:43:59,340
So just like both unhosted hotels and short-term rentals, you don't have on-site property

1128
01:43:59,340 --> 01:44:04,420
manage are there and oftentimes on-site property managers, the most effective way to control

1129
01:44:04,420 --> 01:44:06,660
the guests and minimize impacts on neighbourhoods.

1130
01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:11,340
So I think there are some opportunities like that to incorporate as we review, you know,

1131
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:15,640
development projects for unhosted hotels, incorporate the short-term rental regulations

1132
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:18,800
as conditions of approval on those use permits.

1133
01:44:19,380 --> 01:44:25,040
Yeah, because if you had your commercial district, all the businesses, I mean, I think of downtown

1134
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:29,580
San Luis and they don't have very many, like if Moro Bay became what that is with a lot

1135
01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:34,880
of vacancies, they could be turned into short term rentals or unhosted hotels that are

1136
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,880
short term rentals, and you can have a real problem on your hands.

1137
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:50,080
And then the difference between a unhosted hotel and a hotel, both in commercial district

1138
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,120
the bed. One, two, three, four, five, four, five, four, five, four, five, four, five,

1139
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,480
So that's sort of confusing, too. You know, that's right. There's, I mean, we have hosted hotels. It also advertised our B and B and B and B, so that's something that's really out of our control. Yeah.

1140
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:28,840
And did, did, did any of this talk about a minimum requirement for revenue, you know, you have to meet a threshold of. That's in the short-term rental ordinance, $500 minimum, TOT, which we verify through this TR permit process. Okay. And then.

1141
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:34,260
And this may be just kind of getting out there too much into the weeds and let me know

1142
01:45:34,260 --> 01:45:42,220
if it is, if it's a whole separate subject, I'm not sure, but a way that people evade

1143
01:45:42,220 --> 01:45:50,560
the permitting process for this is by listing 31 days at rental as 31 days.

1144
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:56,520
And is there, you know, I was kind of just trying to look that up if there's other cities

1145
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:02,660
that have, and this may be a question ultimately to include Mr. Stack, but is

1146
01:46:02,660 --> 01:46:10,960
there a way to try to keep that, you know, because that they're avoiding the

1147
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:18,320
whole situation by purposely renting for 31 days, which is when we're trying to

1148
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:22,420
protect neighborhoods, that's harmful to a neighborhood, but we're just there

1149
01:46:22,420 --> 01:46:23,840
under the rate of, you know what I mean?

1150
01:46:25,480 --> 01:46:28,120
So if a short-term rental is, you know,

1151
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:31,740
legitimately renting for 31 days and not less than 30,

1152
01:46:32,100 --> 01:46:33,980
they're complying with the municipal code

1153
01:46:33,980 --> 01:46:35,960
there's really nothing the city can do

1154
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,380
to enforce in that situation

1155
01:46:38,380 --> 01:46:40,060
because they're in compliance.

1156
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,400
The greater concern is the ones

1157
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:47,020
that are claiming to be operating for less than 30

1158
01:46:47,020 --> 01:46:49,440
but they find ways to work the system

1159
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:52,060
to be able to actually run out for less than 30 days.

1160
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:57,440
and those are getting more difficult to verify and enforce, but we're working hard at it.

1161
01:46:57,980 --> 01:46:58,860
Okay, thank you.

1162
01:47:02,940 --> 01:47:05,700
Excuse me, most have been answered, but two questions.

1163
01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:10,400
Are you sending out citations right now, and if so, are they being collected?

1164
01:47:11,660 --> 01:47:16,880
Yes, so we've collected several thousand dollars in citations from short-term rentals this year.

1165
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:24,020
I will say the majority of citations that we issue are actually paid.

1166
01:47:24,660 --> 01:47:31,500
Sometimes they take a while, but eventually they pay and when they don't pay, we send them to the state franchise tax board and

1167
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:38,680
the FTB adds our citation as a lien on their income tax return and they collect it through the income tax and pay the city that way.

1168
01:47:38,940 --> 01:47:40,380
So we do get paid.

1169
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:45,860
Thank you. And then who hears the appeals? Is that your department?

1170
01:47:46,980 --> 01:47:52,980
So the sorts of mental ordinance specifically states that all appeals have to be heard by an independent third party.

1171
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:57,140
And we've contacted a contractor with an attorney to provide that service.

1172
01:47:57,620 --> 01:47:57,880
Thank you.

1173
01:47:59,990 --> 01:48:01,710
Thank you. There's no further questions.

1174
01:48:01,950 --> 01:48:03,690
I will open public comment on this item.

1175
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:11,550
Thank you very randomly.

1176
01:48:13,090 --> 01:48:24,110
This short-term vacation rental ordinance basically has the results of what when we adopted it has destroyed a neighborhood.

1177
01:48:24,110 --> 01:48:32,230
And for example, if you look at a beach colmar from Siena to Easter, one block long, there

1178
01:48:32,230 --> 01:48:37,110
are that I know for sure six short-term vacation rentals.

1179
01:48:37,630 --> 01:48:44,850
The difficulty is not only are there six there, there adjacent to one another on one end

1180
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:46,770
and adjacent to another on the other end.

1181
01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:55,330
So basically, as we guys can all look back, this was a boon to some realters who turned

1182
01:48:55,330 --> 01:49:00,290
some properties either they owned or somebody owned and turned them into short-term vacation

1183
01:49:00,290 --> 01:49:00,870
rentals.

1184
01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:06,390
So I would like to see if there was an effort, this grandfather clause that you have, if

1185
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:08,870
you're with a corporation, they'll never grandfather out.

1186
01:49:09,610 --> 01:49:16,390
So I'd like to see some way to look at it and say, all right, your short-term vacation rental

1187
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:22,970
does not last forever. I need, I believe, we need to put some time limit on it and say okay,

1188
01:49:23,890 --> 01:49:29,050
three years, five years, some of these people in business on these properties for over five years.

1189
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:34,570
And they've turned South Beach Cormor, which is a nice neighborhood, into a commercial zone.

1190
01:49:35,410 --> 01:49:44,930
And it's also on North Beach Cormor, it's just as bad. So the damage to our neighborhood is tremendous

1191
01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:48,110
and all the folks who live with the South in the time,

1192
01:49:48,530 --> 01:49:50,890
they don't see it, but these lots are small,

1193
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:55,470
we're close together, and it exacerbates the problem.

1194
01:49:56,230 --> 01:50:00,390
And until we look at this, then it's just tragic.

1195
01:50:00,870 --> 01:50:04,170
I do know that there was one house on Beach Comer

1196
01:50:04,170 --> 01:50:05,070
that was just sold.

1197
01:50:05,850 --> 01:50:09,670
It's now no longer on the vacation rental, thank goodness.

1198
01:50:10,430 --> 01:50:13,070
But when they're next door to each other

1199
01:50:13,070 --> 01:50:17,570
because their grandfathered in, it just traumatizes

1200
01:50:17,570 --> 01:50:17,990
an neighborhood.

1201
01:50:18,590 --> 01:50:21,910
So to build this town, I know that all we get money for

1202
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:23,690
and that pays for our, no, it doesn't.

1203
01:50:23,830 --> 01:50:27,550
It destroys the essence of moral bay.

1204
01:50:28,930 --> 01:50:32,170
We don't want to turn this town into an industrial part.

1205
01:50:32,410 --> 01:50:34,090
We have R1 zoning.

1206
01:50:34,990 --> 01:50:35,910
It's R1 zoning.

1207
01:50:36,230 --> 01:50:38,950
R1 zoning means R1 zoning, not commercial zoning.

1208
01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:41,890
So please, I know it's difficult to look at it,

1209
01:50:41,890 --> 01:50:44,790
but this is a voice of a resident that lives amongst it,

1210
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:45,610
and it's not good.

1211
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:46,270
Thank you.

1212
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:56,980
Michelle Lester-Cattery, North Moral Bay.

1213
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:00,300
I'll just piggyback on what Mary had to say.

1214
01:51:00,940 --> 01:51:04,240
It is destroying the neighborhood feel.

1215
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,860
It's a constant turnover of strangers in our neighborhoods

1216
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:10,380
with our children.

1217
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:16,580
The ongoing destruction of our infrastructure, our streets,

1218
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:23,460
the parking is an issue, most of these people will not adhere to the noise, you know,

1219
01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:30,040
our noise ordinances. And, you know, you don't want to call 911 at 1030, 11 o'clock at night,

1220
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:35,840
because, you know, you're taxing, it's on our community resources, and I don't want to do that. Or,

1221
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:42,280
you know, it's just, it's not acceptable. We need to try and work on grandfathering some of these out

1222
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:46,620
and having a limited term on them because, like Barry said,

1223
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:47,980
they're owned by corporations.

1224
01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:50,700
And which will go on forever?

1225
01:51:51,860 --> 01:51:54,000
The other thing is, again, the fire pit situation.

1226
01:51:54,260 --> 01:51:56,400
I know that Chief McRain has talked about it,

1227
01:51:56,480 --> 01:51:57,780
but they need to be phased out.

1228
01:51:58,020 --> 01:51:59,100
They need to go to propane.

1229
01:51:59,620 --> 01:52:00,960
We don't need the extra risk.

1230
01:52:01,420 --> 01:52:04,240
We don't need the extra taxing on our homeowners insurance

1231
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:05,360
because of these.

1232
01:52:06,620 --> 01:52:10,360
I just think that the city could, you know, possibly increase the

1233
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:18,120
And again, grandfather, take a look at that area of the ordinance.

1234
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:18,820
Thank you.

1235
01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:31,050
I would like to say Betty Winholz, amen to the previous two speakers.

1236
01:52:31,790 --> 01:52:40,150
We know that some people are individual owners, but there are like in my name I heard some of the zones three or four.

1237
01:52:40,770 --> 01:52:44,750
So I very much support the idea of looking at the grandfathering.

1238
01:52:44,750 --> 01:53:04,350
And because of that and because of the nature of people have bought houses specifically to rent them out to me that borders on what was talked about earlier as the difference between an unhosted hotel and a vacation rental because they've bought in to make it a commercial in our residents.

1239
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:13,890
So that's why very much believe that unhosted hotels should be considered vacation rentals and that they should have to abide by the same rules.

1240
01:53:13,890 --> 01:53:19,450
And in commercial they're unlimited so it doesn't matter but they need to have those stricter appliances.

1241
01:53:20,250 --> 01:53:27,090
So in terms of the other requirement or questions that were asked of you, definitely do not start.

1242
01:53:27,150 --> 01:53:34,970
I would not until you're completely finished with your evaluation of allowing more people from the list to go and

1243
01:53:34,970 --> 01:53:39,250
become new vacation renters hotel, you know.

1244
01:53:39,250 --> 01:53:47,250
And I would, of course, unhost the in-home people are great, and there's fewer of them,

1245
01:53:47,310 --> 01:53:52,970
but maybe more people will consider that as we have single older people living in large houses.

1246
01:53:54,270 --> 01:54:01,770
The other thing I wanted to say, and I'm going to remember it, is that I also very much believe in raising the fees.

1247
01:54:02,610 --> 01:54:13,730
So, looking at the grandfathering given a timeline, considering vacation rentals as duplicates

1248
01:54:13,730 --> 01:54:18,790
of unhosted hotels, we've got one coming up before the planning commission soon, so that

1249
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:25,990
will be interesting, and then raising the fees and do not raise the limit or allow more

1250
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:30,930
people to come in, because you all, when this comes back after the end of the year, and Mr.

1251
01:54:30,930 --> 01:54:36,430
single spin finish his presentation do you even want to stay at the 175 or you

1252
01:54:36,430 --> 01:54:38,650
going to look at reducing that. Thanks.

1253
01:54:42,060 --> 01:54:43,820
Anyone else for a public comment on this

1254
01:54:43,820 --> 01:54:44,040
item?

1255
01:54:51,090 --> 01:54:55,190
Jeff Heller. I was on council when this ordinance was passed and I thought it

1256
01:54:55,190 --> 01:54:58,610
was out that all of these homes were grandfathered in.

1257
01:54:59,190 --> 01:55:04,870
Lososos has a limit of 55 short term vacation rentals and a 500 foot buffer.

1258
01:55:05,550 --> 01:55:09,850
That seems reasonable to me. I'd like to see two-thirds of the number licenses

1259
01:55:09,850 --> 01:55:15,830
is pulled. There are two ways to do it. I think the SB 60 might be a little extreme, but I have

1260
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:21,510
no problem with adding it as zero to each of the figures that were useful. And we need

1261
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:27,650
to implement some way that licenses can be revoked. In other words, neighbors should have

1262
01:55:27,650 --> 01:55:33,750
the phone number for the local representative who's supposed to bond with an hour and resolve

1263
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:39,690
all the issue. Let the neighbors, police, their neighborhood document it. Are the issues

1264
01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:45,290
getting resolved within an hour or are they not? The representative come, the party

1265
01:55:45,290 --> 01:55:50,750
quiets down, the representative drives away, the party starts again. If some authority to

1266
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:56,130
the neighbors to rescind licenses that they continually are disturbed by the parking, the

1267
01:55:56,130 --> 01:56:01,950
noise, whatever, fines are great, but we've got to reduce the number. The number is just

1268
01:56:01,950 --> 01:56:06,070
completely unacceptable. You can start in Southern California to work your way

1269
01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:10,310
up the coast of all the beach towns that have been destroyed by short-term

1270
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:14,650
vacation rentals. We want an aggressive policy to take a look at Palm Springs.

1271
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:20,250
They have a very robust program, but I think they have more revenue than we do, too.

1272
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:23,670
But there's some clauses in the way they're operating that I think is

1273
01:56:23,670 --> 01:56:27,990
outstanding. Very stringent, and they shut them down. That's the direction we need

1274
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:33,270
to go in if we want to try and get the neighborhood back that we had just a few

1275
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:35,410
years ago so thank you.

1276
01:56:38,980 --> 01:56:42,320
Anyone else for public comment on this item? AGP are

1277
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:46,580
there any raised hands in the queue? Yes Madam Mayor we have one speaker raising

1278
01:56:46,580 --> 01:56:50,000
their hand Maggie Jiren. I'm going to allow you to talk. Go ahead.

1279
01:56:54,940 --> 01:56:55,880
Hi can you hear

1280
01:56:55,880 --> 01:57:01,920
me? Yeah. You can't hear me. We can hear you. We can hear you. Go ahead. Oh okay

1281
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:08,700
Okay, okay. Well, hi, my name is Maggie Juren, and I'm here to present the other side of what some of the speakers have said.

1282
01:57:09,420 --> 01:57:14,100
Along with my partners, we own beach and bay getaways and new relax vacation rentals.

1283
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:22,820
First of all, I want to say that for our companies, the SDR permitting process has gone pretty smoothly, and I especially want to thank the city staff and

1284
01:57:22,820 --> 01:57:29,700
fire department that have been working on this process. They've been easy to work with and very helpful with any questions we have had.

1285
01:57:29,700 --> 01:57:35,480
Needless to say, we are ready to be done with this because of the time consuming process.

1286
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:40,580
It has been for our staff, but I also feel like it has been very effective in identifying

1287
01:57:40,580 --> 01:57:44,420
which STRs are actually active and paying money to the city.

1288
01:57:45,180 --> 01:57:50,040
I know there has been talk and there was tonight again in previous council meetings about

1289
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:56,140
the possibility of reducing the 175 permit limit for residential non-hosted rentals, but

1290
01:57:56,140 --> 01:58:01,900
But I am here to ask that this limit not be reduced, and in my opinion, it is not necessary

1291
01:58:01,900 --> 01:58:03,700
to reduce it, and here is why.

1292
01:58:04,700 --> 01:58:07,520
There is and will continue to be natural attrition.

1293
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:12,720
Since the new regulations went into effect, our company has lost seven homes from our more

1294
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:18,020
way inventory, mostly due to the non-transference of the license upon sale of the home.

1295
01:58:18,700 --> 01:58:24,880
The loss of revenue to the city from these homes is conservatively estimated 30,000 a year.

1296
01:58:25,980 --> 01:58:31,560
Also, due to the 175-foot proximity rule, there will be many of the wait list homes that

1297
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:34,760
will not qualify for a license based on that regulation.

1298
01:58:35,220 --> 01:58:39,980
So I would anticipate that it could take years before the number would reach, the number

1299
01:58:39,980 --> 01:58:42,920
of SDRs would reach 175.

1300
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:50,420
And please note, compared to other cities that have tourism as their primary industry, Moral

1301
01:58:50,420 --> 01:58:54,880
Bay has a very low percentage of the total housing units that are SDRs,

1302
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:56,740
contrary to what someone presented.

1303
01:58:57,540 --> 01:59:01,440
Although you may be sick of hearing me say this, it is important to recognize

1304
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:06,080
that almost all of the licensed SDRs and those on the homes on the wait list

1305
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:09,080
would not convert to long-term residential housing.

1306
01:59:09,340 --> 01:59:12,140
Because the owners purchased them for their own use as well,

1307
01:59:12,620 --> 01:59:16,680
and many of them would need to command a rent amount that would exceed any working

1308
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,680
person, anything that any working person could afford.

1309
01:59:20,500 --> 01:59:25,560
As has been stated so many times before, the housing shortage in Moro Bay is largely due

1310
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:30,080
to the high percentage of second homes, some of which are probably the source of noise

1311
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,940
disturbances that our community experiences.

1312
01:59:33,780 --> 01:59:38,860
I was part of the original citizens community that drafted the current regulations, and the

1313
01:59:38,860 --> 01:59:44,480
process was a very fair one, and I'm very still very proud of the checks and balances that

1314
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,400
that were integrated into these regulations.

1315
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:51,560
So I just ask that the council members please let these regulations achieve their purpose,

1316
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,180
which is to create a fair balance of providing

1317
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:25,900
And as a last note, just to answer a question that was brought up about the 30-day rentals, please note that this is set by the state of California Department of regulation. And so that is granted. That's property rights. Thank you. And thank you for listening.

1318
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:55,740
I have a question regarding I know when I have my town hall meeting and I don't think I've talked about I've asked about this very much but I'm something reminded me about that tonight is there are instances where

1319
02:00:55,740 --> 02:00:59,040
There are certain people have multiple short-term rentals.

1320
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:03,120
And I'm not talking about the realitors that are advertising them and managing them.

1321
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:04,860
I'm talking about property owners.

1322
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:11,080
And I know that in other cities it's become a problem where like a corporation or

1323
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:17,080
something like that will come in and just buy houses to turn them into short-term rentals.

1324
02:01:17,820 --> 02:01:20,280
And are we monitoring that at all?

1325
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:30,740
So the city more a city of more obeys sort of rental ordinance does not prohibit an individual from owning multiple sort of rentals.

1326
02:01:30,740 --> 02:01:34,820
Would you have some individuals who own a few short-term rentals within the city.

1327
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:45,340
I was involved in drafting Lososos, Lososos is sort of rental ordinance that does actually have a prohibition on an individual owning multiple SCRs.

1328
02:01:45,380 --> 02:01:48,680
But the city of more obeys ordinance does not have that same provision.

1329
02:01:49,320 --> 02:02:00,840
Okay. Thank you. And let's see, grandfathering out the time limit. Let's see, that was my

1330
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:07,740
note. I don't even know why I wrote that. But was that based on a question that someone

1331
02:02:07,740 --> 02:02:13,140
brought up, I think? If I, can I respond to public comment? I may actually get to the question

1332
02:02:13,140 --> 02:02:14,340
in that you had on that.

1333
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:18,980
So regarding the concentration of short-term rentals

1334
02:02:18,980 --> 02:02:20,080
in our residential neighborhoods,

1335
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:24,540
I just want to say that I agree with the public commenters,

1336
02:02:24,660 --> 02:02:26,720
absolutely that significantly changes

1337
02:02:26,720 --> 02:02:28,340
the character of a residential neighborhood

1338
02:02:28,340 --> 02:02:31,120
when you have high concentrations of short-term rentals

1339
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:35,020
with visitors coming and going throughout the week

1340
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:39,140
that absolutely diminishes the residential character

1341
02:02:39,140 --> 02:02:52,740
of a neighborhood, which is the purpose of that 155-foot buffer requirement to over time through attrition and reduce the concentration and really restore the residential character of those neighborhoods.

1342
02:02:53,680 --> 02:03:02,260
As we heard one, you know, speaker state, the short-term rental ordinance does not allow short-term rental permits to transfer with ownership.

1343
02:03:02,260 --> 02:03:08,640
I think that is a key element where the number will come down through attrition, and that is a real

1344
02:03:09,900 --> 02:03:13,780
success of our short-term rental permit process because every one of these

1345
02:03:13,780 --> 02:03:22,880
properties now has to come in for their annual renewal permit, and we do a very thorough title check on each one of these properties when they come in for the renewal permit, and there has been

1346
02:03:23,740 --> 02:03:32,200
one or two that we've already denied because when we did a detailed title search we found that the property had transferred in the past, and so

1347
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:34,440
at that point in time, they should have lost their right

1348
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:35,580
to continue that STR.

1349
02:03:35,740 --> 02:03:36,880
So we are enforcing that.

1350
02:03:37,540 --> 02:03:41,120
And given enough time, the concentration will come down

1351
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:43,880
by attrition, and our short-term rental permit process

1352
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:46,340
is going to ensure that.

1353
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:51,060
I think also there is some confusion

1354
02:03:53,180 --> 02:03:55,740
between the grandfather short-term rentals

1355
02:03:55,740 --> 02:03:58,180
and illegally operating short-term rentals.

1356
02:03:58,180 --> 02:03:59,760
So just to clarify,

1357
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:05,380
There are grandfathered properties that under the current ordinance have a right to continue.

1358
02:04:05,740 --> 02:04:09,380
So they're legal, they have to get their annual permits from us to go through their inspections.

1359
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:13,940
But they have a legal right to continue, not indefinitely, because again,

1360
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:17,020
it won't transfer with ownership, but they do have a right to continue.

1361
02:04:17,380 --> 02:04:20,480
Then of course, there's the illegally operating ones, and

1362
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:24,360
those are the ones that we are sending season assist orders on.

1363
02:04:24,540 --> 02:04:28,180
And even though I mentioned earlier, there are some challenges with enforcement.

1364
02:04:28,180 --> 02:04:36,220
we will close them all down and just finally there was a comment about a upcoming

1365
02:04:36,220 --> 02:04:41,960
unhosted hotel project that was a reference I believe to 1180 Front Street

1366
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:47,880
10 room unhosted hotel. I just want to bring that up as a good example of a

1367
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:51,500
project where it requires a coastal development permit is going to go to

1368
02:04:51,500 --> 02:04:56,680
planning commission and the planning commission can add a condition that

1369
02:04:56,680 --> 02:05:01,360
that requires that hotel to obtain an SCR permit and comply with all of the SCR regulations.

1370
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:04,520
That's something we can address through the permitting process on this.

1371
02:05:09,860 --> 02:05:15,220
One question you mentioned, and I do agree with the character of neighborhoods.

1372
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:22,120
If I live next to seven short term rentals, I'd be upset too.

1373
02:05:22,300 --> 02:05:24,220
So you said that they have the legal right.

1374
02:05:25,340 --> 02:05:30,140
The legal right is based on the ordinance that was passed two years ago.

1375
02:05:30,140 --> 02:05:31,300
Is that correct or incorrect?

1376
02:05:33,060 --> 02:05:45,520
In other words, if we were looking at changing the ordinance to take some of these legal license short-term rentals that were granted as grandfathered in,

1377
02:05:47,120 --> 02:05:55,680
you made a statement just a minute ago that they have the legal right to operate, which is true to the ordinance that is in place right now.

1378
02:05:55,680 --> 02:06:06,100
If we chose at a later date, that's not what we're here for today, to change that ordinance, would that then preclude them to operate, yes or no?

1379
02:06:08,300 --> 02:06:15,500
Well, so I will say that, yes, when I say they have a legal right to continue to operate, I mean, under the current ordinance.

1380
02:06:15,780 --> 02:06:21,120
And I don't know if the city attorney may want to comment on, you know, other options.

1381
02:06:22,340 --> 02:06:28,300
Yeah, Brightseck, City Attorney, to the extent that the, this Council or

1382
02:06:28,300 --> 02:06:31,320
a future council seeks to amend the S.D.R.

1383
02:06:31,340 --> 02:06:36,860
ordinance to limit the time period of the grandfathering outside of the, it can't transfer.

1384
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:42,900
We would have to do, you know, a legal analysis of does this a fringe in fringe upon, say, a personal right?

1385
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:44,720
Or is it a property right?

1386
02:06:45,020 --> 02:06:50,760
The way the city has constructed it, it has done its best to make it clear that it's not considered

1387
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:55,900
a land use permit and land use entitlement that it doesn't run with a land that it's a personal

1388
02:06:55,900 --> 02:07:01,340
right. And so that takes the judicial scrutiny down a notch, but it's still even at a personal

1389
02:07:01,340 --> 02:07:06,120
right level. We might have to account for, okay, we'd have to give them some period of time to

1390
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:12,500
wind down, but the exact time period would depend on specific circumstances and what the amendment

1391
02:07:12,500 --> 02:07:17,220
might look like. But it's definitely an issue that would need to be analyzed and included

1392
02:07:17,220 --> 02:07:17,860
in the staff report.

1393
02:07:17,860 --> 02:07:19,400
I see it's curious on that.

1394
02:07:22,820 --> 02:07:23,280
Questions?

1395
02:07:24,100 --> 02:07:24,520
Thank you.

1396
02:07:24,980 --> 02:07:29,900
Thank you, Mr. Singh-Wald for that very detailed report.

1397
02:07:32,050 --> 02:07:36,630
I will say that as I walk the neighborhoods in North Moral Bay and the beach track both,

1398
02:07:37,190 --> 02:07:41,810
I appreciate that since this has, since you've taken this over and taken this on,

1399
02:07:42,150 --> 02:07:43,850
I see so much more compliancy.

1400
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:47,370
There's vacation homes I didn't even know existed because now they're signs are up,

1401
02:07:47,370 --> 02:07:57,250
which is allowing an opportunity for checks and balances for neighbors that are in those beach tracks and North Moral Bay even in the residential beds.

1402
02:07:59,010 --> 02:08:15,570
The grandfather is a challenge, and that was done by past councils, and yeah, I think we could have a whole different conversation about that, but I think a way to approach it rather than trying to find a way to undo something they did right now is to just look at it through attrition.

1403
02:08:15,570 --> 02:08:32,430
And if our desire ultimately and not tonight would be to lower those numbers down that there would probably be different paths and could incorporate so that, you know, I don't there's no future grandfathering was very self serving the people who did that I feel.

1404
02:08:34,090 --> 02:08:38,350
We know how many home shares are on the list. Is that separate?

1405
02:08:38,670 --> 02:08:42,430
I think 11 requests for home share permits right now.

1406
02:08:46,030 --> 02:08:48,710
So you're asking how many home shares are on the wait list?

1407
02:08:48,830 --> 02:08:48,930
Yes.

1408
02:08:51,290 --> 02:08:57,870
So home shares wouldn't be on the wait list because that's a wait list for the full home

1409
02:08:57,870 --> 02:09:00,470
residential because those are the one subject to the cap.

1410
02:09:03,150 --> 02:09:09,990
The only thing preventing the city from issuing new SCR permits for home shares is the fact

1411
02:09:09,990 --> 02:09:17,550
the council said not to issue any residential SCRs and you'll let's say we get through this audit year and council

1412
02:09:17,550 --> 02:09:25,250
Does authorize new home share SCR permits to be authorized anyone who wants one can get one because there's no there's no cap

1413
02:09:25,250 --> 02:09:30,810
So they're just on the list with everybody else right now because we paused right so again

1414
02:09:30,810 --> 02:09:36,650
There's there's no need to put them on a list because there's no there's no limit to the number right home shares allowed

1415
02:09:37,810 --> 02:09:38,770
Thank you

1416
02:09:47,670 --> 02:09:53,550
I just wanted to ask one question about, so I've been kind of researching it on the

1417
02:09:53,550 --> 02:10:03,090
fly and there's such a thing as a mid-term stays, which are rentals that are 90 days,

1418
02:10:03,790 --> 02:10:16,650
which are registered like short-term rentals to prevent people that are working with that loophole where they say that they're over 30 days, but they're really a short-term rental.

1419
02:10:17,850 --> 02:10:29,610
And I don't know if that's like a fully vetted legal thing that we could do or I just would wonder if Mr. Stack knows anything about that.

1420
02:10:29,610 --> 02:10:35,270
Yeah, Brandt's actually the attorney, the law is always trying to catch up to what changes are on the ground.

1421
02:10:36,330 --> 02:10:43,890
A public speaker did refer to the concept that you're, they call it, and it's legally kind of but a bundle of sticks.

1422
02:10:43,890 --> 02:10:48,610
When you own real property, there's a variety of rights you have, one of which is to rent the property out.

1423
02:10:49,230 --> 02:10:59,330
And there is past case law that talks about generally, you can't restrict monthly rentals of property because maybe back at some point in time there was a reason to do that.

1424
02:10:59,330 --> 02:11:06,570
That was maybe inappropriate, but so now as things change and say there is a new type of use

1425
02:11:06,570 --> 02:11:09,890
Could a court look at it differently maybe, you know

1426
02:11:09,890 --> 02:11:13,630
It really would be it would depend on on the facts and circumstances and

1427
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:17,170
You know reasonable investment back to expectations

1428
02:11:17,170 --> 02:11:21,730
So it would be to the extent that we're trying to keep the law caught up to real life

1429
02:11:21,730 --> 02:11:28,390
It's gonna be cutting edge and we'll have to have the facts and analysis and do our best if we want to try and address it

1430
02:11:28,390 --> 02:11:32,010
But there's not the clarity on, yes, this will work or not.

1431
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:48,150
There might be some things to stay away from for sure, but you might be in a gray area that might dictate how much time or resources you'd want to invest in something that might not work or create a legal challenge.

1432
02:11:49,030 --> 02:11:57,370
So I haven't looked into it yet personally, but I do know generally, yes, there is the concept out there that we can't restrict more than 30-day rentals.

1433
02:11:57,930 --> 02:12:07,290
But that case law is, you know, from a period ago that, again, things have changed, maybe that case law would change under the new circumstances.

1434
02:12:07,750 --> 02:12:10,210
But I can't say, for sure, right now, I'm not having the analysis.

1435
02:12:10,490 --> 02:12:10,830
Thank you.

1436
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:17,260
Yeah, just my final comment.

1437
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:25,680
Thank you. I appreciate the methodology that you've spelled out for us at the beginning of the year of taking this quarterly approach.

1438
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:29,380
And we've seen the ramp up in enforcement and good job.

1439
02:12:29,700 --> 02:12:30,000
Thank you.

1440
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:44,290
I just want to echo that, this is great work, your continued effort on this is really

1441
02:12:44,290 --> 02:12:46,130
good, Mr. Singhwald.

1442
02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:55,790
I appreciate the process, and I think the process is waddling out the ones that are not

1443
02:12:55,790 --> 02:13:04,830
clients and wrongdoers and for me, I'm not at this moment about lowering where we are.

1444
02:13:05,010 --> 02:13:08,130
It seems to be lowering by attrition already on its own.

1445
02:13:08,670 --> 02:13:12,550
And I kind of like to see the process work a little bit longer.

1446
02:13:13,290 --> 02:13:16,930
For me, I think there's a balance that we need to find right now.

1447
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:22,370
I don't know if I'm necessarily interested in allowing for

1448
02:13:22,370 --> 02:13:27,170
for other residentials at this moment in time, I leave that for discussion, of course.

1449
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:35,170
But the home shares, I don't personally see the issue as to why we went along for that.

1450
02:13:35,450 --> 02:13:42,190
I know at the previous meeting we allowed for commercial to be given permitting.

1451
02:13:42,570 --> 02:13:46,310
So I think maybe we wanted to discuss the home share part.

1452
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:52,250
I think that because the, as he just alluded to, the home share falls under the regular vacation.

1453
02:13:52,250 --> 02:13:58,790
I don't know where the commercial is exempt from that because it's not in the residential neighborhoods is that?

1454
02:13:59,650 --> 02:14:15,630
So let me clarify, so the cap of 175 SDR citywide applies to full home residential, both commercially-zoned SDRs, which the council already authorized, new permits to be issued for.

1455
02:14:15,630 --> 02:14:18,550
and home shares are not subject to the cap.

1456
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:21,290
So whether it's tonight or in January,

1457
02:14:21,290 --> 02:14:24,950
the council could authorize new SCR permits for home shares

1458
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:27,390
that anyone who wants one would be able to apply

1459
02:14:27,390 --> 02:14:29,870
for a permit and as long as they meet the code,

1460
02:14:30,050 --> 02:14:31,350
we would issue a permit and they can operate.

1461
02:14:32,410 --> 02:14:36,050
I think I like the idea of letting them finish up

1462
02:14:36,050 --> 02:14:38,570
to January and coming back and we can address all this.

1463
02:14:39,610 --> 02:14:42,410
I did think and correct me.

1464
02:14:42,910 --> 02:14:44,690
I thought we had already given direction

1465
02:14:47,790 --> 02:14:52,970
I thought at our last meeting we had already done that, if not, if not, I would entertain

1466
02:14:52,970 --> 02:14:53,850
that question.

1467
02:14:54,030 --> 02:14:54,750
I thought we did too.

1468
02:14:54,750 --> 02:14:59,090
Tonight, I certainly would be in favor of provided direction on and out.

1469
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,040
Going to SB 16. Yeah.

1470
02:15:04,740 --> 02:15:10,420
So thank you for that, and I apologize if that was previous council

1471
02:15:10,420 --> 02:15:15,560
message. And I know the question came up last time. I know it's been discussed. I expected

1472
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:19,880
it to come up again tonight, which is why I added that option in the staff report. We

1473
02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:24,540
just wanted to make sure it's very clear that we're getting that direction from council.

1474
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:28,580
So we can go and put the resources into preparing an ordinance that bring it back for adoption.

1475
02:15:28,580 --> 02:15:29,820
and we will now do that.

1476
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:32,120
Thank you very much, Mr. Simwell.

1477
02:15:32,760 --> 02:15:35,600
Another met them, we'll see this again in January, correct?

1478
02:15:36,940 --> 02:15:37,220
Correct.

1479
02:15:37,740 --> 02:15:41,500
Yeah, I really appreciate them.

1480
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:45,780
I think Decker has been 100 times better than HDL, that's for sure.

1481
02:15:45,980 --> 02:15:49,080
So thank you for making that change and bringing this forward.

1482
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:53,800
We have one item left on the agenda that I know we all want to get through,

1483
02:15:53,900 --> 02:15:55,020
but how about a five-minute resume?

1484
02:15:59,170 --> 02:16:01,630
Thank you for joining us as we resume.

1485
02:16:01,630 --> 02:16:13,450
No more on our last item of the evening, item 8D, discussion and request for direction regarding potential of establishing a local campaign finance contribution limits.

1486
02:16:13,970 --> 02:16:16,950
Now, we'll turn it over to our city attorney and city clerk.

1487
02:16:17,570 --> 02:16:19,130
Good evening, Mayor and council member.

1488
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:22,950
I do have a brief PowerPoint, if you could pull it up.

1489
02:16:23,290 --> 02:16:24,610
PGA PowerPoint, thank you.

1490
02:16:25,110 --> 02:16:25,930
That's my first PowerPoint.

1491
02:16:27,530 --> 02:16:32,730
So I try to make it brief, to give a little background, some key takeaways, and then

1492
02:16:32,730 --> 02:16:35,130
kind of outline potential options for further direction.

1493
02:16:36,430 --> 02:16:37,030
Next slide, please.

1494
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:46,600
As background, this discussion item is the result of council direction back in December 2024,

1495
02:16:46,600 --> 02:17:15,720
which followed election results of the initiative measure a 24, which had received significant public involvement and there were large cash and kind contributions and the city does not have any local campaign contribution limits and historically there have been no campaign contribution limits applicable to local agencies under state law so for a long period of time there were no campaign contribution limits.

1496
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:24,940
campaigns. Campaign finance laws generally, there we go, stay on this slide for now. From

1497
02:17:24,940 --> 02:17:29,240
the local to federal government have faced legal challenges over the years, primarily

1498
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:34,520
based on First Amendment protections, and that has resulted in some Supreme Court case

1499
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:42,440
precedent which kind of helped outline the go and no-go areas for regulation of campaign

1500
02:17:42,440 --> 02:17:49,300
finance. And in addition, under state law, so long as it complies with the federal constitution,

1501
02:17:49,580 --> 02:17:56,940
they can also impose further restrictions on local agencies. And next slide, please.

1502
02:17:58,340 --> 02:18:08,120
In January, effective January 2021, AB 55571 established the default limits on local campaign

1503
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:14,960
contributions and these were applicable on candidate-controlled committees only and

1504
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:20,100
the amount gets updated by anally for inflation and the limit is currently $5,900.

1505
02:18:21,980 --> 02:18:28,440
AB 571 does allow local jurisdictions to establish their own limits, including establishing

1506
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:30,800
a lower limit, a higher limit, or no limit.

1507
02:18:31,660 --> 02:18:37,340
If no limit, local limits have been imposed, then the state default would apply.

1508
02:18:37,340 --> 02:18:38,280
Next slide, please.

1509
02:18:40,560 --> 02:18:50,120
AB 571 operates within an area of campaign finance law which has been upheld by the Supreme Court and that's specific to candidate-controlled committees.

1510
02:18:50,960 --> 02:19:05,920
These have been upheld by the Supreme Court based on a determination that they impose a lower restriction on speech and serve an important interest of preventing corruption or the appearance of corruption like pay to play type schemes.

1511
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:12,800
However, the Supreme Court has rejected limitations on independent expenditures by organizations,

1512
02:19:13,140 --> 02:19:20,360
associations, committees, unaffiliated with a candidate, and they have also similarly rejected

1513
02:19:20,360 --> 02:19:29,160
limits on ballot measures, finding both restrictions in both those cases impose significant limitations

1514
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:32,360
on speech and do not have the same risk of corruption.

1515
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:38,620
For example, the Supreme Court has said for independent expenditures, they lack the pre-arrangement

1516
02:19:38,620 --> 02:19:42,060
and coordination that could lead to quid pro quo type scenarios.

1517
02:19:42,980 --> 02:19:48,720
For ballot measures, the Supreme Court has said those are about issues and not candidates.

1518
02:19:49,380 --> 02:19:56,400
And so in those cases, the Supreme Court didn't find compelling nexus to preventing corruption.

1519
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:58,000
Next slide, please.

1520
02:19:58,000 --> 02:19:59,120
Staff

1521
02:20:02,890 --> 02:20:09,450
has provided a few alternatives for council consideration when it comes to regulating

1522
02:20:09,450 --> 02:20:12,390
contributions to local candidate-controlled committees.

1523
02:20:13,370 --> 02:20:18,750
Staff does not recommend considering local limits on independent expenditures or ballot

1524
02:20:18,750 --> 02:20:23,990
measures because of the established Supreme Court precedent, but when it comes to local

1525
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:28,050
candidate-controlled committees where the law is clear you would have the legal authority

1526
02:20:28,050 --> 02:20:29,290
42 imposed local limits.

1527
02:20:30,090 --> 02:20:33,550
The options set forth include taking no action

1528
02:20:34,330 --> 02:20:37,490
and letting the state default limits continue to apply,

1529
02:20:37,790 --> 02:20:41,470
and those would be enforced by the Fair Political Practices Commission.

1530
02:20:42,470 --> 02:20:48,350
Or council could direct staff to bring back a proposed local ordinance

1531
02:20:48,890 --> 02:20:54,810
that could provide limits on contributions such as below $1,000,

1532
02:20:54,810 --> 02:20:59,490
which may simplify, simplify reporting requirements for campaigns.

1533
02:21:00,850 --> 02:21:05,190
A $500 figure or a threshold could also be established,

1534
02:21:05,410 --> 02:21:10,670
which is the current trigger for disclosure and recusal under the Levine Act.

1535
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:16,070
And that's where if you have a campaign contribution for the next 12 months,

1536
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:20,650
generally speaking, that you could not hear a land use permit for that,

1537
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:22,070
regarding that contributor.

1538
02:21:22,070 --> 02:21:30,750
So, that is a limit that some local jurisdictions have imposed in the idea of not having deal

1539
02:21:30,750 --> 02:21:31,750
with that issue, right?

1540
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:39,810
And then another option would be to establish no campaign contribution limits so there

1541
02:21:39,810 --> 02:21:43,150
would be no local or state enforcement because there would be no limits.

1542
02:21:45,010 --> 02:21:47,750
That is the, this concludes the next slide.

1543
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:54,670
This concludes staff's presentation, I'm available for any questions and also the city clerk is available for questions if any about reporting.

1544
02:21:56,570 --> 02:21:59,910
And I look forward for Council of Direction and discussion.

1545
02:22:00,730 --> 02:22:06,350
Thank you for bringing this and doing that a little bit of research to see where we go with this. I have a couple questions.

1546
02:22:08,170 --> 02:22:25,630
was my understanding that if you received a $500 or more donation from a donor and then you were to hear an item based on just simplicity of a land use issue, you could return the money in here the item is that you could return the donation in here the item.

1547
02:22:30,010 --> 02:22:38,850
I think part of it goes to intent, if you're unaware and you happen to vote on something I think my understanding is the law does provide you a grace period to return the money.

1548
02:22:39,310 --> 02:22:50,170
I think if you know someone has contributed, I don't believe there's an option to return the funds but I may be mistaken on that it's not my expertise.

1549
02:22:55,810 --> 02:23:01,790
So, part of this came about because of the money that came from A-24, and I know a lot

1550
02:23:01,790 --> 02:23:06,790
of it was in kind, not as much necessarily cash, but it's what sparked the kind of

1551
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:08,050
controversy and question, bless you.

1552
02:23:09,870 --> 02:23:18,150
So if there was residual money from that campaign, can that be used and also unions and things

1553
02:23:18,150 --> 02:23:23,370
things like that, how does that, where do they play into what they can donate to individual

1554
02:23:23,370 --> 02:23:24,530
candidate campaigns?

1555
02:23:25,170 --> 02:23:30,930
I think so there are established regulations regarding how you can roll, you know, funds

1556
02:23:30,930 --> 02:23:35,410
from one candidate committee to another, say, candidate controlled ballot measure committee

1557
02:23:35,410 --> 02:23:41,850
that provide clear guidelines on how to do it, regarding, say, an independent expenditure or

1558
02:23:41,850 --> 02:23:48,010
a ballot measure committee unaffiliated with a candidate in order, I think generally speaking

1559
02:23:48,010 --> 02:23:52,230
they would not be able to roll over the funds unless they could somehow comply with the requirements

1560
02:23:52,730 --> 02:23:56,490
to contribute to a candidate's campaign committee.

1561
02:23:56,970 --> 02:24:04,210
So you'd have to disclose everyone who contributed, so I think it's probably not practical, whether

1562
02:24:04,210 --> 02:24:09,030
there are scenarios that experts in campaign finance law can come up with maybe, but generally

1563
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:13,350
speaking, if you're going to contribute to a candidate-controlled committee, the campaign

1564
02:24:13,350 --> 02:24:16,290
contribution limits apply and the disclosure rules apply.

1565
02:24:16,290 --> 02:24:19,110
And so that you need to comply with those.

1566
02:24:20,290 --> 02:24:26,070
So how does that work then if the union wants to give you $1,000 or $5,000 or something?

1567
02:24:26,270 --> 02:24:30,950
You're not allowed, when she said these campaign limits in place, then that wouldn't be allowed for individual candidates.

1568
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:36,610
If you establish, so under the state default, if we don't establish local limits.

1569
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:37,890
Right.

1570
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:43,310
Contributors could provide contributions and aggregate under that amount.

1571
02:24:43,310 --> 02:24:46,830
And they just would have to identify who made the contribution.

1572
02:24:47,190 --> 02:24:51,170
There's low thresholds for anonymous donations, but above that diminimous level,

1573
02:24:51,690 --> 02:24:53,390
you have to identify who your contributors are.

1574
02:24:55,690 --> 02:25:01,870
And if you establish the local, lower local limit, I think generally speaking, under first amendment,

1575
02:25:02,050 --> 02:25:04,370
everyone has to be subject to the same rules.

1576
02:25:05,090 --> 02:25:09,970
We can't discriminate, that might be a strong word, but we can't discriminate based on viewpoint,

1577
02:25:09,970 --> 02:25:16,130
point, protect a classification, things like that or political activities like a union.

1578
02:25:16,670 --> 02:25:21,690
So generally speaking, we want the rules to be one size fits all and everybody has to

1579
02:25:21,690 --> 02:25:22,330
comply with those.

1580
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:23,290
Thank you.

1581
02:25:23,430 --> 02:25:25,770
And I was just using those as an example.

1582
02:25:26,050 --> 02:25:30,070
So my name and friends don't, I'm just asking questions to my left.

1583
02:25:32,190 --> 02:25:39,570
Just for amplification purposes, it is unfortunate because this started as a result of the

1584
02:25:39,570 --> 02:25:44,350
the PAC contributions to A24, but just so that everyone's 100% clear.

1585
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:51,170
The way the law is set up, we don't have the ability to restrict the amount of dark

1586
02:25:51,170 --> 02:25:56,030
money or PAC money that comes into local initiatives on the ballot.

1587
02:25:56,850 --> 02:25:57,530
That's correct.

1588
02:25:57,830 --> 02:26:00,870
That's the current state of Supreme Court precedent.

1589
02:26:01,110 --> 02:26:01,710
Okay, thank you.

1590
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:04,870
And then I say a question, and I'm pretty sure I read this in your report.

1591
02:26:04,870 --> 02:26:12,670
where the campaign limit lets presume we come up with a $500 limit.

1592
02:26:13,010 --> 02:26:18,470
The individual, the candidate, is unlimited in the amount that they can loan their campaign

1593
02:26:19,150 --> 02:26:22,030
and then they can repay that, of course, at a later day.

1594
02:26:22,050 --> 02:26:26,970
They can make their contributions, personal contributions are unlimited.

1595
02:26:27,570 --> 02:26:31,830
There are limits on loans, which I believe is currently $100,000.

1596
02:26:33,770 --> 02:26:39,430
And that's also generally speaking, at least the fact we can't prohibit personal contributions

1597
02:26:39,430 --> 02:26:42,430
to your own campaign is based on Supreme Court precedent.

1598
02:26:43,010 --> 02:26:43,310
Gotcha.

1599
02:26:43,570 --> 02:26:50,070
So unlimited personal contributions to your own campaign and then sounds like a rather

1600
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:52,290
large amount that you can loan to your campaign.

1601
02:26:53,010 --> 02:26:59,110
I guess the significant factor there is the lending, candidates lending, sorry, it's getting

1602
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:59,670
late.

1603
02:26:59,670 --> 02:27:06,450
The amount that a candidate can lend him or herself is not limited to the 500, but it's limited by some other

1604
02:27:07,190 --> 02:27:07,870
arbitrary number.

1605
02:27:08,550 --> 02:27:10,470
It would be limited under state law.

1606
02:27:11,010 --> 02:27:13,050
Yeah, that could be a component

1607
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:15,550
potentially of a local campaign

1608
02:27:15,550 --> 02:27:19,810
contribution limit would also be to reduce the personal loan limit.

1609
02:27:19,970 --> 02:27:21,810
Again, we'd have to base it on

1610
02:27:22,470 --> 02:27:24,590
findings and analysis that there is

1611
02:27:25,030 --> 02:27:26,670
some public interest we're trying to

1612
02:27:26,670 --> 02:27:34,590
to serve and avoid, you know, corruption, appearance of corruption type issues, I believe

1613
02:27:34,590 --> 02:27:38,010
some local jurisdictions have gone into the personal loan issue.

1614
02:27:38,610 --> 02:27:39,210
Thank you.

1615
02:27:43,090 --> 02:27:49,210
I did reach out to Mr. Stack with regard to this because I had some questions that I just

1616
02:27:49,210 --> 02:27:50,290
want to clarify on.

1617
02:27:51,290 --> 02:27:58,050
In terms of, is it true that in terms of some independent group wanting to, I don't

1618
02:27:58,050 --> 02:28:05,970
know, run three paid advertisements for a candidate. Can they do that? If it's unaffiliated

1619
02:28:05,970 --> 02:28:13,310
with a candidate, they can do that. Yep. And that's why you'll see, you know, there's

1620
02:28:13,310 --> 02:28:18,470
always the disclaimer at the bottom of the ads. The Democratic, yeah, I got you. Put your

1621
02:28:18,470 --> 02:28:24,010
name on there. So, so in other words, I guess I'm saying we're kind of limited to how much

1622
02:28:24,010 --> 02:28:27,570
We can't really do here, right?

1623
02:28:28,250 --> 02:28:31,410
It really is limited to candidate control committees.

1624
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:31,790
Yeah.

1625
02:28:33,490 --> 02:28:33,530
Okay.

1626
02:28:33,610 --> 02:28:40,510
And the one, so I think you can modify or impose limitations regarding that category with

1627
02:28:40,510 --> 02:28:46,090
the one exception that we can't impose limits on personal contributions to your own campaign.

1628
02:28:51,770 --> 02:28:53,510
Public comment is open on the side.

1629
02:28:55,450 --> 02:28:56,990
Here are there any raised hands in the queue?

1630
02:28:56,990 --> 02:28:58,030
There

1631
02:29:00,430 --> 02:29:01,590
are no raised hands in the queue.

1632
02:29:02,730 --> 02:29:08,150
That I will bring it back to Council closed public comment and questions move into the.

1633
02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:18,950
The comment that I have here is I'm not exactly sure what we're task to do tonight but I'm

1634
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:23,250
not in favor of limiting individual contributions for candidates.

1635
02:29:23,810 --> 02:29:29,530
If you limited it to $500 or whatever then that would mean that if the individual is running

1636
02:29:29,530 --> 02:29:36,870
And I'll speak for myself, that would have to loan the campaign a lot more money.

1637
02:29:37,830 --> 02:29:44,130
So my position here is that it'd be easier for me to, because it takes, I think,

1638
02:29:44,330 --> 02:29:49,970
probably, and I'm just throwing this number out, $15,000 to $20,000 to run a campaign,

1639
02:29:50,230 --> 02:29:51,730
or at least that's what it costs me.

1640
02:29:52,430 --> 02:29:59,450
I'm probably not as smart as you folks, but my point being is that I'm not

1641
02:29:59,450 --> 02:29:59,970
in favor of.

1642
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,800
Individual campaign, contributions.

1643
02:30:05,660 --> 02:30:16,200
Well, I would beg to differ with you, Mr. LaFaye. You didn't even run against anybody. I don't know why you spent that money.

1644
02:30:19,160 --> 02:30:32,840
I don't know. I, I like the idea of the less reporting. Yeah, the less reporting, you know, sounds easier. I don't know. I ran

1645
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:34,940
And I think I raised like $3,000.

1646
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:40,400
I mean, I didn't try to raise money, but I had $3,000 donated to me.

1647
02:30:40,740 --> 02:30:41,980
And I don't know.

1648
02:30:42,140 --> 02:30:45,260
I think it's, I'm not a good person to ask, I guess.

1649
02:30:45,800 --> 02:30:51,660
I was really interested in this as if it would, you know, apply to something like a

1650
02:30:51,660 --> 02:30:59,760
valid measure or, you know, dark money kind of funding, but it's unfortunate that it doesn't.

1651
02:31:00,860 --> 02:31:04,240
I'm interested in limiting a contribution that could be made.

1652
02:31:04,420 --> 02:31:09,320
I think that it helps in a small community like ours, as I've seen through past elections

1653
02:31:09,320 --> 02:31:16,720
when Mayor Peters was serving and marries and others, where they were able to have unlimited

1654
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:27,160
funding and it doesn't allow for an even playing field as far as, you know, just campaigning

1655
02:31:27,160 --> 02:31:32,320
in a small community. It just feels like things can be bought. And that's the appearance,

1656
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:37,100
whether they are or aren't. I'm not here to debate, but that's the impression that it gives

1657
02:31:37,100 --> 02:31:43,480
me. And so if there's an opportunity for us to, you know, limit when you look at the donations

1658
02:31:43,480 --> 02:31:49,080
that were made from people, you know, we're a town of 10,000 people and you know, somebody

1659
02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:55,020
gave $5,000 basically in 2022 and 2024. And I'm not talking about personal contributions

1660
02:31:55,020 --> 02:31:58,320
are personal loans, but loans or donations that were made.

1661
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:03,040
And as council member Landerm alluded to, that's more than she raised for

1662
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:06,320
her whole campaign, and yet she walked and knocked in M1.

1663
02:32:06,660 --> 02:32:11,540
So I just want to make sure that anybody in the community has that equal opportunity

1664
02:32:11,540 --> 02:32:15,320
without having to raise that magnitude of money.

1665
02:32:15,540 --> 02:32:20,940
And so I would be supportive of the, you're just going to work towards getting more

1666
02:32:20,940 --> 02:32:26,440
donations at a smaller amount for your support rather than somebody just giving you five or $10,000.

1667
02:32:27,020 --> 02:32:29,880
That doesn't even have to be from our community, necessarily.

1668
02:32:31,480 --> 02:32:32,600
Pass it to my left.

1669
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:33,760
Thank you.

1670
02:32:34,300 --> 02:32:37,700
Yeah, I would beg to differ from a comment that I heard earlier.

1671
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,040
Council Member Lafay did run against somebody.

1672
02:32:40,220 --> 02:32:43,020
It was me and it was a very heated contest.

1673
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:58,170
And I seriously, that I didn't quite understand Council Member Lafay, you're coming about the loans because you can loan yourself what you need to and then recoup or of course contribute unlimited to your own campaign.

1674
02:32:59,010 --> 02:33:04,230
I agree with the mayor's comments that she just mentioned.

1675
02:33:04,890 --> 02:33:08,650
I think it's a small community. We have a little over 8,000 registered voters here.

1676
02:33:09,170 --> 02:33:20,330
I think $500 just to me sounds like a reasonable amount, that way there's no undue influence by a small group of residents.

1677
02:33:21,150 --> 02:33:23,090
And it does kind of level the plane field.

1678
02:33:23,330 --> 02:33:30,410
I just think, and we saw, frankly, some of the division that occurred in the community with A24,

1679
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:36,010
with the large amounts of money, unprecedented amounts of money that came in for a citizens initiative.

1680
02:33:36,010 --> 02:33:43,030
If I know that's a different item, but the similarities exist just in terms of how much money

1681
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:44,730
is being spent on a particular race.

1682
02:33:45,470 --> 02:33:53,270
So I would be in favor of a $500 limit for, what is it, candidate-controlled committees?

1683
02:33:54,630 --> 02:33:55,730
Pro-10 comments?

1684
02:33:57,790 --> 02:34:04,670
Would you think $4.99 would be better because then you wouldn't have to have the, you would

1685
02:34:04,670 --> 02:34:07,550
Would you avoid the mandatory disclosure and recusal requirements?

1686
02:34:08,770 --> 02:34:13,650
Brian Stacc here, I think it's over 500 is the trigger.

1687
02:34:13,890 --> 02:34:34,230
So so long as it's 500 below is my understanding because I'm almost certain that's how it is because the jurisdictions before the limit when this first came up a few years ago, the state established at 250 and then they raised it to 500 recently and all the jurisdictions that I've seen, it's even numbers, it's 250, it's 500.

1688
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:37,970
so I'm almost positive the law says above that number.

1689
02:34:38,830 --> 02:34:40,230
Yeah, and I think if that changed,

1690
02:34:40,610 --> 02:34:43,770
it's up to the candidate advising his or her donors.

1691
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:46,230
It's why we see a lot of $99 checks

1692
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:49,450
so that people don't have to disclose their personal information.

1693
02:34:51,030 --> 02:34:54,030
Mr. Stack, are you asking for a motion tonight or direction?

1694
02:34:54,910 --> 02:34:57,710
I think direction on if you want us to proceed,

1695
02:34:57,930 --> 02:35:00,270
generally speaking, preparing and processing

1696
02:35:00,270 --> 02:35:06,130
a draft ordinance and then what the potential contours of that ordinance you're thinking at this

1697
02:35:06,130 --> 02:35:13,910
time you'd like to see. So I've heard $500 as potentially the target if so kind of confirmation

1698
02:35:13,910 --> 02:35:20,270
on the range to consider and analyze and then also the enforcement issue. So once we even hose our

1699
02:35:20,270 --> 02:35:30,110
own local limit the FPPC won't enforce that absentee contract with them. And I know they have that

1700
02:35:30,110 --> 02:35:31,570
a contract form on their website.

1701
02:35:31,850 --> 02:35:33,010
I don't know how many local jurisdictions

1702
02:35:33,010 --> 02:35:35,670
are actually contracting with FPPC to do it

1703
02:35:36,180 --> 02:35:38,910
and how effective that's been or cost prohibitive.

1704
02:35:39,590 --> 02:35:42,550
You know, so it's both the amount of the limit

1705
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:46,950
and then also tentative direction on enforcement

1706
02:35:47,480 --> 02:35:49,530
and whether we, you know, to use the state

1707
02:35:49,530 --> 02:35:50,990
but pay for them to do it.

1708
02:35:51,350 --> 02:35:53,470
And it's, I think, primarily complaint driven,

1709
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:56,830
we send a complaint to the FPPC and they process it.

1710
02:35:57,410 --> 02:36:05,390
or you can, you can stand up a more local enforcement measure where it's, you know, say the city attorney could, could file a civil action.

1711
02:36:07,450 --> 02:36:09,290
Your stickions have handled a variety of ways.

1712
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:18,070
Could you, can, if we move forward with this, with direction to do that, can you bring back some recommendations of what those options would be with that.

1713
02:36:18,590 --> 02:36:20,830
So we wouldn't know what it would look like.

1714
02:36:20,830 --> 02:36:34,670
I guess also want direction whether you want any more another agenda item before a first reading, or would you, are you comfortable with staff coming back with?

1715
02:36:34,890 --> 02:36:39,790
Let's start with if there's council support to look at a $500 campaign limit.

1716
02:36:42,250 --> 02:36:50,470
I just want to ask one thing, Mr. Stack, because I don't know, my understanding was that

1717
02:36:50,470 --> 02:36:53,030
then the obligation would fall onto the city.

1718
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:54,550
So is that?

1719
02:36:55,990 --> 02:37:02,840
If that's correct, yeah, the FPPC would no longer automatically enforce free of charge to the

1720
02:37:04,900 --> 02:37:10,220
And so we either would need to stand up a local enforcement measure or we, and I think

1721
02:37:10,220 --> 02:37:13,960
we could do it a variety of ways where we also empower ourselves locally to do enforcement.

1722
02:37:14,420 --> 02:37:20,980
But we also can enter into a contract with the FPPC and that way as situations come

1723
02:37:20,980 --> 02:37:25,340
up we can decide which enforcement remedy or tool we want to use.

1724
02:37:28,060 --> 02:37:28,800
Thank you.

1725
02:37:29,720 --> 02:37:36,300
I would just presume that enforcement would be sort of self-regulating by the other candidate

1726
02:37:36,300 --> 02:37:37,120
in the race.

1727
02:37:37,860 --> 02:37:44,720
So yeah, I would hope, but yeah, if it sounds like we have support for the $500 limit

1728
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:50,200
and do we want to look at what those options would be as far as how we would enforce it locally

1729
02:37:50,200 --> 02:37:55,600
versus, you know, in what it would look like contractually, I think, without going too far

1730
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:55,940
down that.

1731
02:37:55,940 --> 02:38:00,860
And then do we want it to come back before first reading for the $500 limit?

1732
02:38:04,810 --> 02:38:06,470
I'm okay with it.

1733
02:38:08,810 --> 02:38:14,370
I mean, I'm inclined to have it come back, but if you think if you think you have everything you need at this point.

1734
02:38:14,990 --> 02:38:19,990
You know, I just want to be mindful and respectful of the council's time and sometimes it's helpful to come back and sometimes.

1735
02:38:20,970 --> 02:38:22,190
You know, it's not necessary.

1736
02:38:22,190 --> 02:38:26,410
I think it's, there's, you know, maybe three questions that will be the big

1737
02:38:26,410 --> 02:38:31,150
substantive ones and I think we could do it on a first reading and a public hearing

1738
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:35,730
and you can make tweaks and then we re, you know, reintroduce at that meeting and

1739
02:38:35,730 --> 02:38:38,370
then we do the second hearing, the second meeting later, yeah.

1740
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:41,750
One, two, three, four, good.

1741
02:38:42,510 --> 02:38:42,750
Okay.

1742
02:38:43,170 --> 02:38:43,430
Question?

1743
02:38:45,480 --> 02:38:49,740
Appreciate that and thank you, Ms. Swan, on that too, and all the other items.

1744
02:38:49,920 --> 02:38:50,240
Thank you.

1745
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:52,660
The advisory boards and all those things.

1746
02:38:52,660 --> 02:38:53,180
Thank you.

1747
02:38:53,180 --> 02:38:58,000
Thank you to our finance director for her work on that with CFAC also appreciate that

1748
02:38:59,140 --> 02:39:03,420
Well, thank you for the phenomenal report tonight future agenda items

1749
02:39:04,140 --> 02:39:09,480
I have some if nobody else does I can see future agenda items

1750
02:39:10,540 --> 02:39:11,560
Working on something

1751
02:39:13,620 --> 02:39:14,420
Okay

1752
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:20,080
So um where shall I start um it's late

1753
02:39:20,080 --> 02:39:21,420
It's been a

1754
02:39:21,420 --> 02:39:25,340
But I'll preface this all by saying I haven't had any for a long time.

1755
02:39:26,380 --> 02:39:31,720
One is I think it would be a nice thing to include on the agenda.

1756
02:39:32,500 --> 02:39:38,420
I notice that HAB does this and they have the future agenda items that they have that

1757
02:39:38,420 --> 02:39:39,960
is included on their agenda.

1758
02:39:40,260 --> 02:39:50,000
And it's just a really nice, a good way to keep track for the public of what has been talked

1759
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:54,560
about and I think that would be nice if I had if I could get support for for

1760
02:39:54,560 --> 02:40:01,240
that. I don't think it's a future agenda let's just do it. I don't I think maybe

1761
02:40:01,240 --> 02:40:06,520
you could meet with the city manager and the city clerking get some. I'm not

1762
02:40:06,520 --> 02:40:10,620
have you seen the Habs agenda they have all their future agenda items like the

1763
02:40:10,620 --> 02:40:15,420
track of them in in the agenda each agenda. They're just an advisory board

1764
02:40:15,420 --> 02:40:19,720
not a policy making and we have, there's our self-generated.

1765
02:40:20,180 --> 02:40:27,120
Well, so where are, I just think it's a good idea because they can kind of get in my

1766
02:40:27,120 --> 02:40:33,840
mind, they kind of get buried and a new council member might not know what has already been

1767
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:35,540
discussed and what is upcoming.

1768
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:40,720
Well, that information, just checking with the city clerk, that information's provided to

1769
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:42,920
Councils still are planning track?

1770
02:40:44,160 --> 02:40:45,420
Well, it's not provided.

1771
02:40:45,720 --> 02:40:47,480
I mean, if you ask for it, maybe you would get it,

1772
02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:48,800
but I don't get it.

1773
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:50,360
And does anyone else get it?

1774
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:51,120
Yeah, I get it.

1775
02:40:51,720 --> 02:40:53,620
No, no, no, not the tentative ones.

1776
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:55,400
The future agenda items.

1777
02:40:55,400 --> 02:40:59,560
Like, for instance, the short-term rental,

1778
02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:02,640
like, you know, it took a while for us to get to this one.

1779
02:41:03,380 --> 02:41:04,620
We can just request that.

1780
02:41:05,800 --> 02:41:08,320
And, well, I know, but why wouldn't we want to just put it?

1781
02:41:08,320 --> 02:41:14,020
because it changes constantly and it changes things drop off as new kind I mean wouldn't it be nice

1782
02:41:14,020 --> 02:41:21,140
to keep track of that? I know that they do but I would like to know where we are and I think maybe the

1783
02:41:21,140 --> 02:41:26,700
public might you know they hear this stuff and it seems like it might be a good idea to include that

1784
02:41:28,200 --> 02:41:32,920
interested in us in the time months ago that we

1785
02:41:32,920 --> 02:41:38,920
and staff's priorities, and the priorities that the council gives, it could be missing

1786
02:41:38,920 --> 02:41:46,850
to the staff, but they were less important, and I don't want that staff's not addressing

1787
02:41:46,850 --> 02:41:48,890
something, or I don't want to get into a big debate.

1788
02:41:49,370 --> 02:41:50,030
Right, yeah.

1789
02:41:50,330 --> 02:41:54,870
The limited discussion, but there are a variety of, I mean, the city manager could report out

1790
02:41:54,870 --> 02:41:56,950
of future council, you know, item.

1791
02:41:57,790 --> 02:42:02,070
I mean, I myself have made future agenda items that I don't even know, I don't even remember

1792
02:42:02,070 --> 02:42:02,590
what they were.

1793
02:42:02,590 --> 02:42:07,730
So, I might say the same thing again, so it's just a good idea.

1794
02:42:08,030 --> 02:42:12,950
I might have thought I said something and I didn't, you know, can we circle back to it maybe at the next one?

1795
02:42:14,330 --> 02:42:16,690
Yeah, so no one wants to put that on there?

1796
02:42:16,770 --> 02:42:26,470
Well, I support it and maybe the nuance is the future agenda item is a means of tracking future agenda items.

1797
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:29,290
Mayor, may I put in?

1798
02:42:29,290 --> 02:42:32,230
So we have a couple of Excel documents that we use.

1799
02:42:32,310 --> 02:42:33,970
We have the tentative agenda, which we send out.

1800
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:35,090
Well, you'll be getting it tomorrow.

1801
02:42:35,710 --> 02:42:38,490
And then on a separate Excel spreadsheet

1802
02:42:38,490 --> 02:42:41,230
is the future agenda items mostly declared

1803
02:42:41,230 --> 02:42:42,370
at the end of your meetings.

1804
02:42:42,650 --> 02:42:44,710
So what I would suggest for the beginning

1805
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:48,730
and that has been given out, I'll just say infrequently,

1806
02:42:48,910 --> 02:42:50,950
not on a regular basis like the tentative agenda,

1807
02:42:51,070 --> 02:42:55,550
but perhaps we could attach that to a tentative agenda

1808
02:42:55,550 --> 02:42:58,810
on like a monthly or a couple times a monthly basis

1809
02:42:58,810 --> 02:43:01,750
So you can see basically it's the item when it was brought up,

1810
02:43:01,750 --> 02:43:03,790
who brought it up, so that information,

1811
02:43:03,970 --> 02:43:06,270
so you can be confident that it's, we are tracking it,

1812
02:43:06,330 --> 02:43:09,230
but I understand what Council Member Landrum is saying.

1813
02:43:09,370 --> 02:43:11,030
So maybe we attach it and send it to you,

1814
02:43:11,190 --> 02:43:12,790
so at least you have it, it's, you know,

1815
02:43:12,870 --> 02:43:16,250
it's not a private document, certainly that way you will know

1816
02:43:16,250 --> 02:43:19,270
that we're keeping track, or we missed something.

1817
02:43:20,370 --> 02:43:21,690
Thank you, that would be great.

1818
02:43:22,050 --> 02:43:24,770
So it doesn't need to be an official conversation.

1819
02:43:24,990 --> 02:43:25,950
Okay, great.

1820
02:43:25,950 --> 02:43:41,190
then I'll move on so this is kind of involved and it stems from just thinking about, you know,

1821
02:43:41,250 --> 02:43:52,450
all of these things. We have, as far as our goal of economic vitality, so it started out, I was

1822
02:43:52,450 --> 02:43:57,210
I was interested in a, like, how can you get vacant buildings?

1823
02:43:57,810 --> 02:44:03,550
How can you encourage vacant commercial properties to not be vacant anymore to get them,

1824
02:44:03,890 --> 02:44:06,450
to put businesses in them and things like that?

1825
02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:13,530
And I talked to the chair of the CFAC, Steve PAC, and

1826
02:44:13,530 --> 02:44:18,490
he was telling me about a vacant CTACs and in commercial property, so I looked into that.

1827
02:44:19,290 --> 02:44:28,050
I am, you know, really conscientious of property rights, but then again, there are, you know,

1828
02:44:28,430 --> 02:44:33,270
they can properties in Moral Bay, like both entrances to Moral Bay.

1829
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:36,590
Can you tell us what you just want and what you're asking for?

1830
02:44:36,590 --> 02:44:39,010
Well, because we're not supposed to be made the, I know.

1831
02:44:39,330 --> 02:44:40,790
It's looking at the city attorney there.

1832
02:44:41,210 --> 02:44:46,370
It's kind of, it is kind of convoluted because I'm just going to combine all of these different ones.

1833
02:44:46,370 --> 02:44:52,190
commercial. So that that's a I guess it's just this whole broad picture of is

1834
02:44:52,190 --> 02:44:56,790
that there is that a something that we want to talk about is it um well they're

1835
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:58,410
bringing the council member land from

1836
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,920
I'm sorry, I'm just wondering maybe this is stuff that could be discussed at the joint meeting. Is it possible that? Yeah, I'm wondering because it sounds like it might be. Kind of, but then it is a revenue opportunity. They are definitely revenue opportunities, but it's how to how to create policies to to get to those. You know, and then and then when I looked into

1837
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:33,020
to the vacancy tax, you can also do that.

1838
02:45:33,640 --> 02:45:36,900
Well, I don't think you can do it on industrial property,

1839
02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:40,500
vacant industrial property, but now that the visitor property

1840
02:45:40,500 --> 02:45:41,140
is-

1841
02:45:41,140 --> 02:45:42,040
Council member, I don't know.

1842
02:45:42,300 --> 02:45:43,360
Zoned, yes?

1843
02:45:43,480 --> 02:45:43,960
Having discussion.

1844
02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:46,820
I'm not discussing anything.

1845
02:45:47,260 --> 02:45:49,480
Yeah, but do you just need to ask what the item is you want?

1846
02:45:51,160 --> 02:45:52,360
Okay, a conversation.

1847
02:45:52,660 --> 02:45:53,600
Then I'll go one by one.

1848
02:45:53,720 --> 02:45:56,140
I was gonna try to condense them, but I won't.

1849
02:45:56,140 --> 02:46:00,400
Economic development coming up, so are these things that fit under the economic development agenda?

1850
02:46:02,580 --> 02:46:06,520
What do you mean we have economic development on our agenda?

1851
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:11,780
What they can see, commercial they can see.

1852
02:46:12,220 --> 02:46:17,740
Well, I also, okay, then I would like to look at what we can do with the Vistra property.

1853
02:46:18,540 --> 02:46:23,540
As far as its zoned commercial, visitor-serving commercial.

1854
02:46:23,540 --> 02:46:32,340
So can we encourage the property owner to get that building?

1855
02:46:32,540 --> 02:46:34,100
It's bright in our city.

1856
02:46:34,280 --> 02:46:35,720
Can we do something about that?

1857
02:46:39,430 --> 02:46:42,610
That Claire, and I would support that.

1858
02:46:42,790 --> 02:46:43,870
Yeah, I would support that.

1859
02:46:44,590 --> 02:46:44,910
Okay.

1860
02:46:45,390 --> 02:46:45,590
And then.

1861
02:46:46,130 --> 02:46:46,930
Let's stop it.

1862
02:46:47,050 --> 02:46:48,390
Do you have clarity on what it is?

1863
02:46:48,490 --> 02:46:49,190
She's asking for.

1864
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:50,190
Okay.

1865
02:46:50,730 --> 02:46:51,250
Okay.

1866
02:46:51,410 --> 02:46:51,650
Thank you.

1867
02:46:51,650 --> 02:47:21,530
And, you know, a lot of this kind of, if I would summarize this, this is like an economic development position, really, within the city, but okay, so then also there's at least two vacant lots on the Embarcadero, and we are talking about parking and charging for parking, and I would like to look at maybe see if we can look at a way to encourage the property owners to use those as parking, kind of as a low-hanging fruit rather than doing all these

1868
02:47:21,530 --> 02:47:25,010
drastic measures like charging at the rock and

1869
02:47:27,280 --> 02:47:31,000
I don't know if that's Mr. Stack is I don't know if

1870
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:36,600
that's you or Mr. Singhwald or I don't know if I have the manager.

1871
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:41,960
I'm not sure what the question

1872
02:47:41,960 --> 02:47:46,480
is. I mean I understand what the item is that they think they're the probably a couple privately

1873
02:47:46,480 --> 02:47:51,140
owned vacant lots on the Embarcadero and I believe what Councilmember Landrum's question is

1874
02:47:51,140 --> 02:47:57,880
is, are we able to use them, are they able to be used, can I say, without the permission

1875
02:47:57,880 --> 02:48:02,760
of the property owner, that's what I'm, I think, and that I don't know the answer to

1876
02:48:02,760 --> 02:48:03,220
that question.

1877
02:48:03,380 --> 02:48:06,940
I know we've tried to use them, man, I'm guessing no, I know we've tried to use them before,

1878
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:15,380
but yeah, I feel like that's not, yeah, sorry, I'm not verbalized.

1879
02:48:15,380 --> 02:48:45,360
That's a prime stacker city attorney, this agenda item is for describing the contours of a potential future agenda item and so some of it sounds like we could take into consideration at staff level when we bring back the economic development component and so it's like if we get direction from the council that's how you want to see it and then if there's something that doesn't quite fit with the economic development does council want us to put a future agenda item on say parking related to these sites or you know, okay, this is that's

1880
02:48:45,360 --> 02:48:45,960
Thank you.

1881
02:48:46,320 --> 02:48:51,060
And then the other two are not related to that at all.

1882
02:48:51,660 --> 02:49:08,640
They are, well there is one, it is looking at a vacancy tax on residential property in light of the conversation we just had of short term rentals and what they do to the housing stock and to neighborhoods.

1883
02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:16,660
and we have to kind of face the fact that that is an issue in Moral Bay and I don't know I'm just not that I am in favor of that

1884
02:49:16,660 --> 02:49:23,020
I just am curious about what the possibilities are there and I would like to know about that I don't know if anyone else does.

1885
02:49:23,460 --> 02:49:24,960
I would support that.

1886
02:49:25,460 --> 02:49:29,000
Before you talking about, you're talking about attacks on secondary homes.

1887
02:49:29,020 --> 02:49:33,120
Yes, we're talking about other communities that have done attacks on secondary homes.

1888
02:49:34,260 --> 02:49:35,640
Or have attempted.

1889
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:44,960
and then these two are totally unrelated. I think it would be nice to have a check-in,

1890
02:49:45,040 --> 02:49:52,420
like a recap of what's our camping ordinance and we have new council members now and I think

1891
02:49:52,420 --> 02:49:53,220
it would be nice to.

1892
02:49:53,220 --> 02:49:55,180
This is asking for an update on that, yeah.

1893
02:49:56,120 --> 02:50:03,080
And then also an update on the massage partners.

1894
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:09,620
on the ordinance that they're working on.

1895
02:50:09,620 --> 02:50:09,760
Yes.

1896
02:50:13,500 --> 02:50:20,020
The only other thing is, if we could maybe somehow get the microphones to, if we could get an update on the microphones.

1897
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:27,640
But what, maybe that's not a futile agenda, I'll just, thank you, with that we're adjourned.

1898
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:28,820
We're going to go home.

1899
02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:32,200
What about, did you go to sleep last night?

1900
02:50:33,480 --> 02:50:35,420
I thought we were going to, I thought they were going to fix.

1901
02:50:35,420 --> 02:50:35,960
Yes, sir.

1902
02:50:36,040 --> 02:50:36,500
Are you guys ready?