1 00:00:20,180 --> 00:00:30,680 Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Environmental Planning Commission meeting of September 18, 2024. I will call the meeting to order at 7 o'clock PM. 2 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:37,960 For those joining us in person, please note that due to our hybrid environment, audio and video presentations can no longer be shared from the lectern. 3 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:47,160 Request to show an audio or video presentation during a meeting should be directed to EPC at mountainview.gov by 430pm on the meeting date. 4 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,660 Additionally, due to our hybrid environment, we will no longer have speakers lined up to speak on an item. 5 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,640 Anyone wishing to address the EPC in person must complete a yellow speaker card. 6 00:00:57,340 --> 00:01:00,960 Please indicate the name you would like to be called by when it is your turn to speak. 7 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:04,720 And the item number on which you wish to speak. 8 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:10,280 Please complete one yellow speaker card for each item on which you wish to speak. 9 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:16,540 And turn them into the EPC cleric as soon as possible, but no later than the call for public comment on the item you're speaking on. 10 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,460 Instructions for addressing the commission virtually may be found on the posted agenda. 11 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:32,200 Recently, regional and local elected and appointed bodies have been subjected to disruptive racist verbal attacks by anonymous 12 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,680 collars during virtual public comments. 13 00:01:35,260 --> 00:01:41,900 The city of Mountain View is fully committed to racial religious and cultural equity and justice as we strive to create a welcoming 14 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:43,800 safe and inclusive community for all. 15 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,880 This advisory, this commission, welcomes respectful and non-threatening public comments regarding 16 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,540 matters over which the commission has jurisdiction. 17 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:57,780 Commons deemed otherwise pursuant to the council code of conduct and the government code 18 00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:01,260 may be grounds for immediately terminating a speaker's comment period. 19 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:06,000 Now I will ask the EPC clerk to proceed with roll call. 20 00:02:12,370 --> 00:02:13,230 Madam clerk? 21 00:02:16,780 --> 00:02:24,580 Oh, okay. It appears that we have all seven of our members here, according to my screen. 22 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,380 So we're going to say we're seven of seven. We've got everybody. 23 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:29,020 All present. Thank you. 24 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:29,840 All present. Thank you. 25 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:38,300 Item number three minutes approval. There are none. Item four or all communications. 26 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,160 This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the EPC on any matter not in the agenda. 27 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:49,060 Speakers are allowed to speak on any topic for up to three minutes during this section. 28 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,200 State law prohibits the commission from acting on non-agenda items. 29 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,180 If anyone in attendance would like to provide comments on non-agenda items, 30 00:02:56,580 --> 00:02:59,360 please fill out a yellow speaker card and provide it to the EBC clerk. 31 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,080 If anyone on Zoom would like to provide comment on non-agenda items, 32 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:07,680 please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press star 9 on your phone. 33 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,720 Phone users can mute and unmute themselves with star 6. 34 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,800 Madam Clerk, do we have any speakers? 35 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:19,560 Well, we have one in person speaker, Logan Herrera. 36 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:20,540 All right. 37 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:24,780 Okay. 38 00:03:25,740 --> 00:03:26,540 Not at this time. 39 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:26,960 Gotcha. 40 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:28,720 All right. 41 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,540 They're being no speakers for oral communications on our item four. 42 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,920 We will move to item five, public hearing. 43 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:43,020 Item 5.1 specifically, eliminate minimum parking standards for residential uses and article 44 00:03:43,020 --> 00:03:48,880 10 parking and loading of chapter 36 zoning, of the city code, and the P19 downtown 45 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:55,920 precise plan, P38, El Camino Real, precise plan, P47, Antonio precise plan, and P41 East 46 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,220 Wismen precise plan. 47 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,200 First, could the commissioners with conflicts of interest related to this item please 48 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,220 make your refusal statements now? 49 00:04:06,910 --> 00:04:07,450 Commissioner Clark. 50 00:04:08,450 --> 00:04:12,930 So, I'm recusing myself from discussion of the elimination of minimum parking requirements 51 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:16,850 to the proximity of my personal residence to the El Camino Real-Psychs Plan area. 52 00:04:18,090 --> 00:04:18,510 Thank you, Commissioner. 53 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:24,170 And I am recusing myself from discussion of the elimination of minimum parking requirements 54 00:04:24,170 --> 00:04:29,170 due to the proximity of my personal residence to the El Camino Real-Psychs Area Plan as well. 55 00:04:30,630 --> 00:04:31,250 Thank you, Vice Chair. 56 00:04:31,290 --> 00:04:33,670 We'll give them a moment to relocate and then we'll get started. 57 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:50,130 We'll begin with the staff presentation from Associate Planner Hangzau and Principal Planner 58 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:51,030 Diana Pantoli. 59 00:04:53,350 --> 00:04:54,310 Let's hold a second. 60 00:04:54,430 --> 00:04:57,010 We have a question for the City Attorney. 61 00:04:58,930 --> 00:05:05,950 I am within the half-mile radius of the twenty-nine-seven, maybe twenty-nine-seven, 62 00:05:05,970 --> 00:05:06,950 twenty-two of the prisoners. 63 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:18,800 If I may, we're not proposing any changes for AB-297 as part of today's agenda. 64 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,580 So that would not be quite. 65 00:05:25,660 --> 00:05:27,340 All right, to the staff presentation. 66 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,480 Please take it away. 67 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,420 Good evening, commissioners. 68 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,340 My name is Hong Jo, Associate Planner with the Planning Division. 69 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,620 I'm joined here by Principal Planner Dianna Pancholi. 70 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:41,260 The item in front of you tonight is to consider amendments to the city code 71 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:46,900 and a few specific precise plans to eliminate minimum parking requirements for residential uses. 72 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,320 For background, since January, 2023, 73 00:05:52,320 --> 00:06:01,300 Assembly Bill 297 eliminated minimum parking requirements for most development projects within a half mile of a major transit stop. 74 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:10,180 The state law allows developers to set their own parking needs based on specific conditions rather than following the city's minimum parking requirements. 75 00:06:10,980 --> 00:06:18,440 However, AB 297 is still allowed cities to require minimum parking spaces for electric vehicles and disabled persons. 76 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:27,060 In the city of Montenville, there are currently six major transit stops, including four light rail stations and two counter train stations. 77 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:34,280 These areas within half mile of the transit stations are highlighted in blue on this map here. 78 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:47,600 Later in April 2023, the city council adopted the six cycle housing element, which covers the 2023-2031 planning period. 79 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:54,720 As part of this housing element, program 1.2 was introduced to eliminate minimum parking 80 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,600 standards in certain cases. 81 00:06:57,260 --> 00:06:59,660 This program included three sub-task. 82 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:07,620 Sub-task A required eliminating the minimum parking requirements for 100% affordable housing 83 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:08,200 development. 84 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,580 This was completed as part of the zoning code update in December of last year. 85 00:07:13,580 --> 00:07:20,380 Subtask B calls for codeifying exemptions to parking requirements for residential developments 86 00:07:20,380 --> 00:07:26,940 in the Al Camino Real, San Antonio, downtown, and East Wismen Precise plans, as well as 87 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:29,520 in the Muffet Boulevard General Plan Change Area. 88 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:36,860 This subtask is due by December 31, 2024, and is the item presented to you tonight. 89 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:44,220 Up tasks C requires codifying exemptions to parking standards for projects that meet enhanced 90 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:50,320 transportation demand management criteria with a due date of December 31st, 2026. 91 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:56,820 This will be addressed as part of the citywide TDM ordinance, which is currently being developed 92 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:01,460 and have an anticipated adoption timeline of 2025. 93 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:14,960 This program aims to provide greater flexibility in land use and site design, facilitating the development of diverse housing and mixed use projects that align with the city's long term vision. 94 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:30,780 Housing Element Program 1.2 went above and beyond AB 2097 that further eliminates the minimum parking requirements for all residential developments and any residential component in mix use 95 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:38,240 Developments in chapter 36 of the city code as well as four precise plan areas as highlighted in yellow here 96 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,180 In the precise plan areas covered by AB 2097 97 00:08:43,180 --> 00:08:55,000 This means that although no minimum parking is required, electric vehicle parking and parking for disabled persons are only required if a developer chooses to include parking voluntarily. 98 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:03,200 And it's calculated based on parking being provided instead of parking being required for building reach code. 99 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:15,640 In precise one area is not covered by AB 2097, the proposed amendment will align residential parking requirements with those inside AB 2097. 100 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:25,800 However, it works to note that the current amendment parking requirements for non-resident development will remain in effect in areas highlighted on this map. 101 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:35,750 In line with the proposed amendments, there are other minor amendments which are proposed for internal consistency. 102 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:45,830 This includes removing parking reduction option for multi-family residential development in Al Camino real precise plan and the San Antonio precise plan. 103 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:52,830 Removing car share vehicle requirements for multi-family residential development in East Wismen precise plan. 104 00:09:52,830 --> 00:09:59,690 And finally, making it clear that if parking is not required but voluntarily provided, 105 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:08,210 those spaces must still comply with standards for access, size, design and other safety-related requirements in the parking ordinance. 106 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:14,990 This is to ensure parking is developed in a way that is usable for most good circulation on site, 107 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:18,790 and will now create hazards for those using the spaces. 108 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:27,270 In summary, the proposal amendments will eliminate minimum parking requirements for residential 109 00:10:27,270 --> 00:10:33,230 developments only, which aims to follow a law for greater flexibility in land use and 110 00:10:33,230 --> 00:10:37,970 site design, enabling the creation of diverse housing and mixed use projects. 111 00:10:38,530 --> 00:10:42,130 There is no change to the current requirements for non-residential developments. 112 00:10:42,850 --> 00:10:48,270 Although developers are no longer required to provide residential parking in those areas, 113 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:52,250 They can still choose to provide parking based on market needs voluntarily. 114 00:10:53,230 --> 00:11:04,290 In such cases, required electric vehicle and 88 spaces will be calculated based upon the voluntary parking proposed for the building reach code. 115 00:11:05,130 --> 00:11:14,350 Additionally, the amendments to the precise plans include language clarifying reference to the city code for parking and access design development standards. 116 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:28,490 The proposed amendments to parking requirements are exempt from California Environmental Quality Act as per Section 15061 Subsection B3. 117 00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:37,090 Staff has received three public comments on this item. One is in support, one is in objection, and one is just in theory only. 118 00:11:37,810 --> 00:11:43,470 In conclusion, staff recommends that EPC recommend to Council to adopt the ordinance 119 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:48,950 of Mending Chapter 36 of the City Code and adopt the resolutions of Mending the Downtown 120 00:11:48,950 --> 00:11:54,450 Precise Plan, Al Camino Real Precise Plan, San Antonio Precise Plan, and East Wisdom 121 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:55,350 Precise Plan. 122 00:11:56,330 --> 00:12:01,610 As the next step, City Council will review EPC recommendation on the proposed amendments 123 00:12:01,610 --> 00:12:06,050 at a public hearing, tentatively scheduled on November 12, 2024. 124 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:10,190 This concludes the presentation and staff is available for questions. 125 00:12:10,770 --> 00:12:15,030 We also have the Assistant Community Director, Community Development Director, 126 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:19,870 Amber Lensysky, Hearing Person, and Our Community Development Director, 127 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:22,630 Christian, or Doc, joining the meeting virtually. 128 00:12:23,510 --> 00:12:24,770 To help answer any questions. 129 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:28,100 Thank you, Mr. 130 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,180 Questions from the Commission. 131 00:12:31,180 --> 00:12:31,840 I 132 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:39,840 had one clarifying question from the presentation. 133 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:51,220 Could you let us note, did you say that disabled parking is not required if they opt to not voluntarily provide parking? 134 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:55,200 That's part of 135 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,320 the number. 136 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:10,540 So yes, the 3D and EV parking are calculated based on the number of parking spaces required or provided for the building code. 137 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,700 And now that we're removing the required number of parking spaces in these areas. 138 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:24,840 So it is only going to be required when parking provided voluntarily and calculated based on the parking provided voluntarily. 139 00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:35,230 legally that's the way it goes because of the way the state law is where did it okay yes. 140 00:13:35,710 --> 00:13:46,930 Yeah so yeah that's correct so it's it's so under AB 20 97 if that was the only you know 141 00:13:46,930 --> 00:13:55,290 state law that that you know regulated parking in our city then you would still be able to 142 00:13:56,930 --> 00:14:03,970 require ADA or EV parking based on the minimum parking requirement that used to be allowed. 143 00:14:05,390 --> 00:14:12,970 So let's say in a office development you needed one parking space per thousand square feet, right? 144 00:14:13,270 --> 00:14:15,990 And you needed like 40 parking spaces total. 145 00:14:16,390 --> 00:14:22,950 And then the building code calculated that out to like 10 EV or ADA parking spaces. 146 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:32,190 The minimum that that applicant would have to provide are those minimum ADA and EV parking spaces period. 147 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:42,230 However, the housing element is taking that a step further in stating that we will be removing minimum parking standards. 148 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:52,370 And when you remove minimum parking standards then there's no basis to calculate those EV or ADA parking spaces. 149 00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:59,150 So if somebody is going to provide no parking, and we don't normally see that, and it will be rare. 150 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:13,780 To see that, so I want to make sure we're all aware of that. If someone provided no parking under, you know, the modifications we're making to be in keeping with the housing element, they would truly be required to provide no parking. 151 00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:17,990 Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. 152 00:15:19,530 --> 00:15:21,350 I know, everybody. 153 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:24,570 Oh, wait till later. Thank you. 154 00:15:24,570 --> 00:15:29,130 I mean, we have other questions because I'll ask a couple more. 155 00:15:30,270 --> 00:15:30,810 It's not. 156 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,240 Go ahead. 157 00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:39,120 I just have a question about how much discretion do we have in this decision. 158 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:43,500 It seems like there's the state law, there's the housing elements. 159 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:50,480 So it kind of seems like we pretty much have to approve this. 160 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,520 Yes, I would say we don't have much discretion. 161 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:59,740 here, because the housing element was a pro-Pestity Council, and it's a requirement by the state, 162 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:06,300 and AB 2090, so it's also state law that we have to follow. Okay, that's what I thought, thanks. 163 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:14,100 Yeah, I do want to say, though, I think, you know, I don't want to say that there's not any discretion at all. 164 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,360 I mean, you know, this is our, you know, in our adopted housing element. 165 00:16:19,540 --> 00:16:35,760 It, we are following that to a T, could, you know, the council suggest some sort of alternative that still meets, you know, this requirement or this, what we've said we would do. 166 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:45,140 I think that there's potential there, but we are as staff following this exactly how it's written, and that's what we're bringing into you today. 167 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:46,600 Okay, thanks. 168 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,640 Further questions for the commissioners? 169 00:16:57,580 --> 00:17:00,360 Yes, and I'll just start with questions. 170 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:12,200 I think we exerted a lot of discussion as part of kind of coming together in the housing element and ultimately kind of like as a community kind of creating that as well. 171 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:19,800 So I have three questions, and actually I have one follow-up to Joyce's to commissioning 172 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:25,940 you into this question, just now run the ADA and the reach codes, I'm sorry, the EV parking 173 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:26,320 spots. 174 00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:34,900 I think in the example I heard you mention around 10, I know is in this hypothetical total 175 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:45,240 example, was that 10, was it like or or and or is it like, can someone do all EVs or all 176 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:52,300 okay, it would be a combination of whatever the requirement is for both spaces, like it required 177 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:58,380 a lot meant for both, I just want to make sure I understand that correctly, okay, I hope that was helpful 178 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:05,200 In terms of my questions, and I think you kind of touched on this a little bit when you kind of started 179 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,380 alluding to the rarity of kind of like no parking 180 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:16,680 developments, but I am going to ask a kind of like a broad question because this is a change and I would want to kind of understand 181 00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:21,230 a little bit more around how that change ultimately kind of ends up looking like. 182 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:29,370 And so my question to staff, to whoever feels, you know, is the best place to answer. 183 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:40,930 So in what ways have developer behaviors, parking supply, you know, the transit network 184 00:18:40,930 --> 00:18:48,530 or flow, and resident behavior changed in other cities, areas, et cetera, where parking 185 00:18:48,530 --> 00:18:51,870 minimums have been eliminated for a residential development. 186 00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:58,970 What have we observed or what are the effects that generally could be anticipated? 187 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:02,370 Thank you, Commissioner, for that question. 188 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:10,010 We don't have any studies that are readily available, which have specifically studied this 189 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:14,050 change since we came out of the pandemic. 190 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:19,690 I think San Jose is the one city, which has eliminated their parking requirement and a 191 00:19:19,690 --> 00:19:26,390 one in very recent paths. So I think there's still time before we can actually tell what that 192 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:31,590 difference is and what the impacts are or what are the benefits coming out of that in terms of 193 00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:36,390 people using different modes of transportation or the impacts on the residential neighborhoods 194 00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:43,290 surrounding it. In lieu of that then within your guys' realm of colleagues expertise on this, 195 00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:46,730 what are the anticipated benefits or impacts that we might expect to see? 196 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:55,850 We definitely, and as a housing element, has intended to, we are trying to see how can we 197 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:59,510 eliminate the barriers to encourage more housing development in the city. 198 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:03,150 This policy and other policy programs are geared towards that. 199 00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:06,950 So definitely, we would like to see that as a benefit coming out of it. 200 00:20:07,210 --> 00:20:16,250 This can also result in shifting the mode, you know, making people choose more alternate modes of transportation, 201 00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:18,470 in rather than just depending upon cars. 202 00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:20,190 At least those are the benefits. 203 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:22,230 They could be other impacts as well. 204 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:25,230 In terms of people looking for parking spaces 205 00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:30,130 elsewhere, and we're working on other city-led programs 206 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:32,530 which are trying to address that. 207 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:33,350 Excellent. 208 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:35,030 I appreciate that. 209 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:36,290 My second question. 210 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:40,650 So, and I think we're kind of touching 211 00:20:40,650 --> 00:20:42,530 on the kind of like discretion and question 212 00:20:42,530 --> 00:20:44,230 on the flip side of that. 213 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:47,970 Let's assume that we did kind of like, you know, 214 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:49,450 counsel at the end of the day, we're 215 00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:55,010 ultimately for whatever reason reject the proposed change. 216 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:59,130 What would be the consequences or the impacts 217 00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:02,270 with regard to our, you know, our city's compliance 218 00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:03,810 to the housing element? 219 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,260 So as we've mentioned in other hearings, you know, 220 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,080 we're, you know, that's not completely known at this point. 221 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:26,900 I think that what, you know, HCD from what we understand in our conversations with them are looking for ability to put forth their good faith effort and getting their projects and their implementation done. 222 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:40,740 And, you know, that would require us to go have a conversation with them, right? If the, you know, if the council were to not, you know, move forward with the housing element program as prescribed. 223 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:48,120 So I think that's a bit of an unknown and it would require more conversation to figure that out. 224 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,360 And obviously we hope we're not in that position. 225 00:21:51,860 --> 00:21:58,760 And so we're trying to get this item in front of you in the council before the deadline, which is the end of the year. 226 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:00,120 I really appreciate it. 227 00:22:00,140 --> 00:22:06,520 And within that spirit of hoping not to be in that position, or before December 31, 2024, 228 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,700 or I'm just curious to understand a little bit more around. 229 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:11,040 This is my last question too. 230 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,520 What were the, and I might be missing something technical 231 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,760 that I told the mis, and apologies, and events that I am. 232 00:22:17,620 --> 00:22:19,480 But what were the selection criteria 233 00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:25,160 under which the new kind of outside AB 2097, 234 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:29,080 the orange stuff basically on the summary of proposed amendments? 235 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,460 What was the selection criteria 236 00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:32,960 for those being the target areas for this? 237 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:40,200 So that is geared, it is coming out directly from the Housing Element Program, which specifies 238 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,680 for specific, sorry, for precise length, downtown, or Camino San Antonio, and East Wismen. 239 00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:54,340 And those areas, which are outside AB 297, are the parts of the precise length, which are outside AB 297. 240 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:02,940 So how we selected those four precise length is just basically implementing how we decided to do it in the 241 00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:04,180 in the program language. 242 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:10,230 Any further questions for the commissioners? 243 00:23:10,830 --> 00:23:11,110 I do. 244 00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:12,830 I have just a couple. 245 00:23:14,150 --> 00:23:17,390 One is just responding to the commissioners. 246 00:23:18,550 --> 00:23:26,490 The idea of communication and talking is the department of what does the community development, 247 00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:34,970 housing community development for the state, are they still open and able to have communication 248 00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:37,490 with you guys are the easy to reach. 249 00:23:42,670 --> 00:23:47,030 I wouldn't say that it's like extremely easy to reach them, 250 00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:53,630 but you know if we reach out for guidance or we you know submit requests through their you know 251 00:23:53,630 --> 00:24:01,310 they have a portal that you you submit you know questions you know they they do respond to us 252 00:24:01,310 --> 00:24:07,390 sometimes it's you know you know it takes a little while but you know I don't I think there is 253 00:24:07,390 --> 00:24:13,790 communication there and I think we know some people who we've had conversations with who 254 00:24:13,790 --> 00:24:21,790 maybe easier to reach out to, but you know, we are most of our conversations have come through 255 00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:26,410 something that's been submitted through the portal and then they reach out to us to have those 256 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:32,970 conversations. Okay, thank you. And then the two other questions I had are 257 00:24:34,670 --> 00:24:41,750 Regarding, oh, if staff wouldn't mind just updating us on the downtown parking strategy 258 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:47,090 and what surveys have been done, I believe Commissioner Nunes touched upon it as well. 259 00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:55,190 I know we haven't done much since COVID and that was a whole different environment. 260 00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:58,750 So, if you wouldn't mind doing that, and then I'll have another question afterwards. 261 00:24:58,750 --> 00:25:14,190 And thank you for the question commissioner, we adopted the parking strategy in 2021 and it identifies several implementation items specifically for downtown parking strategy. 262 00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:33,710 Since then, because of the staffing limitation and actually prioritizing other items, we haven't made any significant progress on that, there were some minor items which have been implemented, but nothing substantial. 263 00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:47,270 So, right now, we are in a process, we are actually going to go back to the City Council in October for securing some funding to get consultant on board to start the implementation process on those implementations. 264 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:53,330 Okay, and in terms of the studies, that's why we have not done any studies yet. 265 00:25:53,330 --> 00:26:02,210 We do regularly do parking assessment of our parking garages and parking lots, and those 266 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:07,810 are just in preparation of when we get to the step of implementing some of our strategies 267 00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:09,130 for the consultant. 268 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:09,990 For the consultant. 269 00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:18,270 And then the second question was, could you remind us of the schedule for the TDM implementation? 270 00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:26,310 I know we reviewed it once it was sort of very high level and where we're at with that and the I guess second question 271 00:26:27,170 --> 00:26:32,940 Purpee would be whether or not any of this might affect either of those 272 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:36,830 Mainly the TDM plans 273 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:42,290 Yeah, so that we are prepared in the process of preparing a city-wide 274 00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:53,450 transportation demand management ordinance and at this point of time we're working with our consultants to figure out the thresholds based on the input that we received from EPC and city council 275 00:26:53,450 --> 00:27:01,190 and it is tentatively scheduled to be coming back for adoption in fall of 2025 as mentioned in the presentation 276 00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:10,850 AB297 had a very major impact on you know some of the related parking requirements that we discussed today 277 00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:18,890 So, that has already been, in effect, and we are taking that aspect of it into consideration as we prepare RTDM ordinance. 278 00:27:19,630 --> 00:27:27,430 When we will revisit our parking strategy and how we are going to implement it, it's definitely going to also impact the baseline of where we start. 279 00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:38,150 Because we did the study, we adopted the parking strategy in COVID, and since then things have changed a lot, so we'll have to do some studies again to see what the baseline is. 280 00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:40,850 Okay, great. Thank you so much. 281 00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:45,970 And just one last question from me. 282 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:50,910 I understood there were three comment letters from the public about this project. 283 00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:53,090 I must have missed them in my packet. 284 00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:57,670 So could you just very quickly cover who sent them 285 00:27:57,670 --> 00:27:59,490 and what the general tenor of the letters were? 286 00:27:59,650 --> 00:28:02,490 I think we probably all looked like to know what was in them. 287 00:28:03,290 --> 00:28:06,070 So I will just make it clarify that. 288 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:07,670 It was recent communication. 289 00:28:07,670 --> 00:28:13,270 that's why it was not in your packet, but they will be attached to the console. I don't 290 00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:19,030 when it will go as part of the package for sure. And we'll shortly just describe what 291 00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:19,470 the comments. 292 00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:20,910 Thank you. 293 00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:32,030 Actually, there is one coming from Charles Reakler. He emailed and asked about what the scope 294 00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:38,010 is, and I called him back, and he expressed concerns with the overflow parking on street, 295 00:28:38,010 --> 00:28:46,650 And also, he expressed concerns that developer would not use this opportunity as lowering 296 00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:50,630 housing cost but making more profit out of it. 297 00:28:51,590 --> 00:29:02,890 The other comment I received is also this afternoon is from Amel Abraham Hamm, she expressed 298 00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:12,530 full support of eliminating parking as she felt that it is always not a good idea to walk 299 00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:17,430 through the parking loss to get to the public transit. So she thinks eliminating all those 300 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:20,950 parking near public transit is actually made public transit more accessible. 301 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,040 The other one I 302 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,940 need to find the name but he was asking about if his property is inside this change area and it 303 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:37,300 is not, so there's no follow up on discussion about that. 304 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,240 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 305 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,760 I appreciate that. 306 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,420 Thank you. 307 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:44,240 EPC questions being complete will now move to public comment. 308 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,640 If anyone in attendance would like to provide comments on this item, 309 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,900 please throw out a yellow speaker card provided to the clerk. 310 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520 If anyone on Zoom would like to provide a comment on the item, 311 00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:56,640 please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press start 9 312 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,600 on your phone. 313 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Phone news is commuting on me as themselves with us. 314 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,960 That we have one in person speaker, Logan Herrera. 315 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:21,100 Hello, I appreciate being able to comment on this for thought you today. I'm in full support of the recommendations. 316 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:30,160 I think that increasing the housing supply through the housing element is a key piece of work for the community. 317 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:37,540 And I'm proud to live in a community that is a pro-housing designation from the state. 318 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,960 I live in an affected area in an AB 2037 San Antonio station. 319 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,000 And I'd like to hear. 320 00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:57,540 I think that it's important that our built environment reflect more than cars that reflect a diversity of transportation methods. 321 00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:04,420 and ways of living, and that this is key to accomplishing that. 322 00:31:06,530 --> 00:31:08,870 I also had a question. Can I ask a question? 323 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:12,810 That's generally not how we do it. 324 00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:16,990 But you can understand rhetorical question. 325 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:21,510 Okay, well then I'll just talk about my understanding from reviewing the documents and 326 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:21,850 advance. 327 00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:26,870 My understanding from reviewing the documents and advance is that with respect to bike parking 328 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:33,610 that it is required when parking is voluntarily provided. 329 00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:36,930 And I think that this makes sense. 330 00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:39,910 And it wasn't addressed any of the discussion today, 331 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:42,850 but I think it's also a form of parking 332 00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:46,270 that I think is being handled well through this recommendation. 333 00:31:47,050 --> 00:31:48,350 Yeah, if my understanding is correct. 334 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:51,940 Thank you. 335 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:52,520 Thank you. 336 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,180 Madam Clerk, any other comments? 337 00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:03,670 No comments on mine. 338 00:32:03,850 --> 00:32:04,190 Thank you. 339 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:07,750 All right, EPC, deliberation, and action, 340 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,100 comments for the commissioners. 341 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:12,860 Mr. Mirdias. 342 00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:16,560 Thank you, Chair Dempsey. 343 00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:21,580 Yeah, I am a few thoughts on this. 344 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,820 Number one, I very strongly support this for a few reasons. 345 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:36,500 The first of which is that, you know, us being in arm, both of the public and, you know, 346 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:41,420 as appointed to the City Council and given our City Council 347 00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:48,420 approving the housing element that this project is rooted 348 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:54,180 into an out of, I would hate to be out of the lock step 349 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:59,720 with regard to almost explicit direction from the City 350 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,180 Council in that regard through the housing element, 351 00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:10,420 notwithstanding even kind of like how and in what ways the state would factor into that. 352 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:19,200 And so to the extent that I'm approaching this item, the way I'm approaching it is by working 353 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:25,520 within the direction given of and through the housing element towards assessing is this 354 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:31,260 the best way to achieve what the housing element has been set forth through. 355 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:33,180 And I think it does a great job. 356 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:37,480 I really appreciate the target areas. 357 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:39,380 I mean, just going through the city 358 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,800 and kind of intuitively feeling, kind of like how 359 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,080 Muffet might look like in the future. 360 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,660 What's in Antonio has kind of ended up looking like today 361 00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:51,760 and may still turn into, it feels good to think 362 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:58,700 of these change areas as enabling us to have a more experimental 363 00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:05,260 will kind of spirit towards how we approach development, all towards ultimately, you know, 364 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:13,340 doing the things that we, you know, as a, you know, city and public have, you know, collectively 365 00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:18,540 put our hands up to say that we value, which is more housing, more affordability, more 366 00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:26,230 options for getting around, less reliance on cars, less submissions, and a more, you know, 367 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:28,610 and I did kind of fabric for doing that. 368 00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:36,290 So I think this is fantastic in terms of the staff's work. 369 00:34:36,370 --> 00:34:44,090 I mean, there's nothing I can say that gives me any reason to doubt that this is the right approach. 370 00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:48,670 And so I just appreciate your guys' work in terms of getting this through. 371 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:56,210 And again, I'm just looking forward to doing what we said we would do with regards to all 372 00:34:56,210 --> 00:35:00,290 that grilling work that led to our housing element. So, I support this. 373 00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:02,550 Mr. Cresson. 374 00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:08,740 So, what's come forward here is what we discussed in the grid and in the 375 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:12,560 housing element. So, I don't have any fundamental issues with this. If I have a 376 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:20,460 concern, it's not with this. It's a foundation underneath it. The assumption of 377 00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:27,820 AB-297 was that people would be using transit. There's a reason article in the 378 00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:34,240 actually getting back on transit. I drive it every day and Monday and Friday. I think it 379 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:38,380 mentions before Monday and Friday. My business is in San Francisco. It's like 380 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:42,960 driving on a weekend. Today my commute was a half an hour longer than normal and there 381 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,340 were no accidents because people are not taking transit when when they go to work. 382 00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:54,720 Okay. There are companies that are beginning to require Amazon this week and 383 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,780 they would be requiring people to come back into the office, but an underlying assumption of 384 00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:05,940 this is that the people would take transit if they were near transit, and it's not clear to 385 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:14,120 me that at least the process that's in place today, and I don't know whether BTA and CalTrans have 386 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,940 looked at this, but the requirement that you buy a pass this for a week instead of buying 387 00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:27,720 something that's for, to think, can be for three days so that somebody, you know, that somebody would take transit if they didn't have to buy a full month pass. 388 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:38,620 I think that we as a city need to be advocating back to these groups to say, look, recognize that there is, you know, we want to do this, okay, this is the right thing to do. 389 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:49,460 We want people back in transit, but if the structures are in place, a TDM isn't necessarily going to get people on to the trains, if, you know, if they're still not, if they're more comfortable just taking the car. 390 00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:51,420 the three days a week that they go to work. 391 00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:56,500 So I'm worried about the underlying assumption in this that says 392 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,600 the people that in 2019 and before went to CalTrain 393 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,520 every day took their train to work. 394 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,240 They took VTA every day to work. 395 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,300 They took their bus every day to work. 396 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:11,280 There's not evidence that that's changing at this point. 397 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,140 And COVID started 4, 15 years ago. 398 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,020 And I don't go around with a mask on. 399 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:23,200 that I'm going to get COVID to conscious of it, I don't sneeze on people and I'm worried about 400 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,660 losing everything too, but it's I'm worried that the underlying assumption that we're 401 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:36,180 counting on for this to actually deliver is not actually coming to pass. And I think so my comment is 402 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:41,540 this is it's beyond kind of the scope of this but it gets it's a it's a comment to staff and 403 00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:46,780 a comment to counsel that we need to be able to be looking at what do we need to do to help 404 00:37:46,780 --> 00:37:52,280 encourage the people that would take advantage of this, to actually take advantage of it, 405 00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:57,040 given the fact that they're not being asked to work five days a week in the office whenever they're going. 406 00:37:57,980 --> 00:38:03,180 And so what else can we do to actually realize this, I don't think this doesn't address that. 407 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:10,300 This is a piece, but an important piece of how do we get this to really turn into the 408 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:14,120 reality. I think it's missing from this and it's not really in the housing element. 409 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:22,060 I don't know whether it's a land use issue necessarily, even, but that's my, so I'm going to vote for this. 410 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:29,760 But I am very concerned that the underlying assumption of this council is not coming to pass, 411 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:37,740 and so we may not actually achieve the objective that we set out and housing on the state set up in this program. 412 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:40,880 So that's my, that's my comment. 413 00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:58,790 This is not right on topic either, but it definitely touches on it and we're in it. 414 00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:04,190 Commissioner Cranston, you opened it, so I'm going to dive in. 415 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:09,470 I don't fully disagree with what Commissioner New News has said. 416 00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:13,430 I understand that at this point legally, with the way things are worded. 417 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:14,390 We have a timeline. 418 00:39:14,910 --> 00:39:15,890 We have to do this. 419 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:20,550 I get that, but we're not hitting it yet, and I know that is not making you guys comfortable 420 00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:28,950 stuff to say we're close, but not right at the line. I feel like yes, it's rare, but this is something new. 421 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:35,230 I don't think we've ever had a position or a time where we told developers, you don't have to build 422 00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:42,670 any parking, and so we don't have a lot of experience with developers coming back saying, 423 00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:46,810 we don't have to do any, but we're gonna, so, 424 00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:53,750 in that respect, I have concerns that we're losing 425 00:39:53,750 --> 00:40:03,610 disabled parking, even though even if transit, or ridership was up and we've got the majority 426 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:10,870 of people writing transit, not everybody can move around with that. Some people have to drive 427 00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:16,470 are elderly who have wheelchairs, and if you're going to bike, thank you for the in person 428 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:24,670 comment. We need bike parking as well. So I think going back to open Pandora's box here. 429 00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:34,930 Whenever we have like the housing element, the state coming down with the laws, it is, as 430 00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:41,610 I've been describing to a lot of people, heavy handed, I understand the goals. Whenever 431 00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:47,330 you're trying to make major changes that are extra complicated and involving lots of different 432 00:40:47,330 --> 00:40:50,410 players and lots of different complexities. 433 00:40:57,510 --> 00:41:00,130 When the state comes in, it's like using a 434 00:41:00,130 --> 00:41:06,190 sledgehammer. When, at some point, you need some tools that are a little bit more refined to do 435 00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:16,650 some of the finer tuning. And I think what we have before us is the sledgehammer and it's 436 00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:22,590 fully fleshed out. I think while we have time, we should reach out with whatever means we have 437 00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:30,170 to talk to people who can make a difference, whether or not is to give us a stay on this 438 00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:37,470 deadline to work out some of these kinks because I don't believe the intention of this 439 00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:45,550 flesh and repolacy was that disabled people may not be able to live here or work here, they won't 440 00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:52,210 be able to get here. I'm 100% sure that's not the intention. So I think we should flush that out. 441 00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:58,790 If council was willing, I would like to propose that we use whatever means necessary to 442 00:41:58,790 --> 00:42:03,670 reach out to somebody, maybe we can stay this deadline and see if something can be done. 443 00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:07,370 I don't know. Honestly, I don't have the answer at this point, but I feel like it's worth 444 00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:13,630 a try because I am concerned that by doing away with the parking regulations and the 445 00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:21,630 ability for the city to mandate some sort of parking that there's an opportunity there for 446 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:27,990 developers to just say, I don't have to do it. Why would I do it? Because that's not unheard of. 447 00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:32,630 So I'm just putting that forward. Thank you. 448 00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:44,780 I think that the, I see your point that the state is often kind of a sledgehammer. 449 00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:53,260 Part of that, I think, is a reaction to the fact that a lot of cities are using the tools 450 00:42:53,260 --> 00:43:04,540 that they have to kind of oppose some of the goals that the state has, but they're not 451 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,840 all, you know, pro housing cities like the City of Mountain View. 452 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,360 So, sometimes we get caught in the crossfire with that. 453 00:43:12,820 --> 00:43:20,300 That being said, the housing element went through a long process, a lot of public input, 454 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,320 and this is what came out of that process. 455 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:36,260 So I generally think that this is the direction that the council wants, that the people 456 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:42,040 I wanted through that entire process, so I'll be supporting it. 457 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:46,180 Another comment on the public transit, 458 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,920 it is unfortunate that ridership is still down. 459 00:43:52,640 --> 00:44:04,840 Maybe the new electric trains will help that maybe not having parking and force people to take public transit. 460 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:12,760 I don't know, that seems, I don't know if that's really the right way to do things, but 461 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,000 maybe that will happen. 462 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,500 So anyway, I will be supporting it because I think that, for my question earlier, there's 463 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:29,520 not a lot of discretion, and this is what we have collectively decided in April of 2023 when 464 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,660 the housing element was adopted. 465 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,460 So for my part, I'm not going to plow on a new ground here. 466 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:46,420 I think on the whole, it's important that we respect the direction of council, that we honor 467 00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:49,700 our commitments in the housing element, and that we follow the law. 468 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:56,300 And on the strength of that by itself, I will be voting in favor of this tonight. 469 00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,980 Maybe the one thing that I will ask. 470 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,660 I don't want to, I myself don't want to get into second guessing some of the decisions made before, but let me make one comment about what we should do next. 471 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:18,640 We should have good, qualitative metrics about traffic impacts and parking impacts, parking impacts for the folks that live here going forward. 472 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:27,000 So that it is relatively easy for people to see what we've bought with policies like these and others. 473 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,720 And if there is an easy, objective way to say, you know, parking impacts, they're real bad in this area of that area of the other. 474 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:44,360 I think having that kind of data so that we can have a reasoned conversation about other places where there's just, it's not working. 475 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:55,500 But we need data to do that. And so my plea going forward is simply that we, you know, we continue to invest in not only data collection but data presentation. 476 00:45:55,500 --> 00:46:02,020 in a way that the public can actually access easily and understand easily, and we can access and understand easily. 477 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:07,780 So if there's places that are really getting crunched and people are suffering, we'll know. 478 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,720 And we'll know why, and we'll know how big it is, and then we can talk about what to do with it, 479 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:16,480 and maybe share that some of that data with the folks in Sacramento going forward. 480 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,220 So I'll stop there. 481 00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:23,140 There's no further comments on when we need to entertain a motion. 482 00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:28,520 Oh, Miss Yuen. 483 00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:29,500 Miss Yuen? 484 00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:35,480 Yeah, I wasn't trying to say that, you know, I'm not playing fault. 485 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,300 There was no fault. 486 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,180 I understand the reasons how we got to where we are. 487 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,440 My only point was that state laws tend to be sludge hammers. 488 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:46,300 It's just the way it is. 489 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:51,260 In addition to policy, I understand the direction of the policy and the reasons for it. 490 00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:57,400 not against that, but these are sledgehammer policies, and I'll find too, and so there's the concern. 491 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,500 And I understand that we have to get things going, but just because we're not right there at the day. 492 00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:07,260 I'm just putting it out to council if they're listening. 493 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:15,420 That we should use whatever means possible to go ahead and reach out and talk to someone in Sacramento to tell them that there are some concerns. 494 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:22,460 and there might be unintended consequences, sometimes I do realize that you push farther beyond 495 00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:27,200 the limit in order to get what you want later and then you backtrack. That's another way 496 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:35,880 to do it, but I don't. I'd prefer to, you know, get there in an efficient way. And Mountain View 497 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,840 is not one of those cities that says, no, we're not going to do it. We're not going to do 498 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,180 it. Mountain View is a city that is proven that we're willing to. So I think if we have any 499 00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:48,700 like to stand on, or if any city has a like to stand on, it is us. 500 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,500 So I'm just putting that out there, I understand that we really have no choice in this 501 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:55,780 matter. 502 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:56,740 It's point, 503 00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,440 but I guess that's it. 504 00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:03,700 For now. 505 00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:05,920 Thank you, Miss Ian. 506 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,300 Mr. Crescent. 507 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,920 Mr. Chair, I recommend the environmental planning commission, recommend the city council 508 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,340 to adopt an ordinance of the city council, the city of Mountain View, Mending, Chapter 36 509 00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:21,480 zoning of the city code, and the sub-test B of the housing element program 1.2. 510 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:27,660 We need updates to the section 36.32.50 required number of practice spaces, 511 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,240 to eliminate the number of parking requirements, certain areas, 512 00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:35,880 and making conforming and clarifying changes in other sections of chapter 36 zoning and 513 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,120 finding the amendments to be exempt from California and ram at the Quality Act. 514 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,280 We're so into a secret guidelines section 1, 5, 0, 6, 1, B, 3. 515 00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,280 We're written title only for the reading way of the exhibit. 516 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,320 One of the staff report and number two. 517 00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:54,080 Recommend of the City Council adopt resolutions of the City Council, 518 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,060 the City of Mountain View. 519 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,680 Mending the P19 downtown, P38, El Camino, P40, San Antonio, 520 00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:03,340 and P41, East Miss from the precise plans. 521 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:06,360 We'll eliminate many parking standards for residential developments. 522 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,480 existing with the housing element 1.2 and finding the amendments to be exempt from California 523 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:17,880 rental quality act, pursuant to seek what that line section 1, 5, 0, 6, 1, B, 3 to be 524 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,760 written title only for the remaining waived exhibits to through 5 to the staff report. 525 00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:25,140 Thank you, Mr. Cranson. 526 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,780 And Mr. Nenia, we have a second from you. 527 00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:28,800 Thank you, sir. 528 00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:34,520 The motion having been made and seconded. 529 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,440 Madam clerk, I 530 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,420 do not see, do you see, does anybody have their voting screen up? 531 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,260 Madam clerk would it be possible to call the roll? 532 00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:16,910 Commissioner Clark is absent, Commissioner Cranston. 533 00:50:17,530 --> 00:50:17,550 Aye. 534 00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:19,990 Commissioner Donahue? 535 00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:20,810 Yes. 536 00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:27,330 Commissioner Gutierrez is absent or refuse to rather commissioner Nunes. 537 00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:28,330 Aye. 538 00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:31,190 Commissioner Dunsey, chair Dunsey. 539 00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:31,670 Hi. 540 00:50:33,790 --> 00:50:35,650 And Commissioner Yen. 541 00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:36,550 I'll have a stay. 542 00:50:44,330 --> 00:50:48,230 And the motion is passed for votes yes and one abstain. 543 00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:50,070 Thank you, Madam Court. 544 00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:51,450 All right. 545 00:50:51,610 --> 00:50:52,110 Item six. 546 00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:53,350 Commission staff announcements. 547 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:57,330 Ms. Pencil, do you have anything? 548 00:50:58,210 --> 00:50:59,890 Or no action will be taken on any questions. 549 00:51:00,090 --> 00:51:01,790 Raise the equation at this time I might add. 550 00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:05,210 Will you just bring the commissioners back. 551 00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:06,590 Just right. 552 00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:07,230 Yes, please. 553 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,960 You want me to go get him? 554 00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:26,920 Oh, that's a good point. 555 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:27,940 Can you hear me about that? 556 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,740 Yeah, so just for the record, for the vote, 557 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,420 Commissioner Clarke recused from the item. 558 00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:39,100 I think it was previously incorrectly stated that he was absent. 559 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,840 He was Commissioner Clarke and commissioned Gutierrez recused from this item. 560 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:44,660 Wonderful. 561 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:45,920 Thank you very much. 562 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,720 And, Mr. Nernier, thank you for catching that. 563 00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:52,740 Any staff announcements? 564 00:51:52,740 --> 00:52:10,780 And thank you, this is just going to be a second reminder because we don't have any other upcoming meetings in September for EPC that we have the annual celebration of service awards on September 30 at Michaels in shoreline. 565 00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:22,420 So we hope to see everybody there. I hope everybody has received an invitation. If not, please let me know. And we will be doing a short presentation or our EPC work from past year. 566 00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:30,140 All right. Well, with any any comments or updates from the commissioners, once I'm just 567 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:37,780 done here, I have a question. So, tonight's agenda under minutes approval, there was 568 00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:45,560 none. We haven't had minutes for any of the meetings so far in 2024. Yeah, I think the last 569 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:52,120 meeting in the last meeting, there were two minutes that were approved with some comments 570 00:52:52,120 --> 00:53:00,080 then corrections right they were from 2023 that is correct so now we are working on 2024 it will be presented in the next meeting 571 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,780 okay can I so I'll just add to that so we recently realized that there was this 572 00:53:09,340 --> 00:53:15,620 so all of the EPC and ZAA and just all of the minutes get loaded into laser fish and 573 00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:22,700 Unfortunately, we discovered meeting new our planning board clerk being relatively new, that 574 00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:26,500 that hadn't been done for a very long period of time. 575 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:33,340 And so we shifted kind of priority in getting those back, that backlog of minutes loaded 576 00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:40,720 into the city's laser fish system, and so that impacted the speed to which she was able 577 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:49,800 to work on the minutes, but we've just completed that task, and I know that she's working 578 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,100 on the minutes. 579 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,560 Okay, I just want to make sure that we're not like years in the rears. 580 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,280 That's kind of what happens, though. 581 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:00,580 Yeah. 582 00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:01,280 Thank you, Mr. Dunne here. 583 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:02,660 Thank you for your interest. 584 00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:07,100 Hey, I'm just a quick follow question on that process, because I know when I'm 585 00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:13,140 and I saw what happened, right, but is there a timeline by when minutes should be presented 586 00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:18,100 to the board for approval or is there no timeline specific to that? So that we're not in any 587 00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:25,660 violation of anything. Yeah, I don't think there's any any specific timeline, but traditionally 588 00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:31,480 we try to get them to you quickly, and I think this was just an unforeseen issue that arose, 589 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,360 and so I know that she was working on them today, actually, because I was talking to her about them. 590 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,680 Great, and that's for you Steven Nelson, because I know you're a big brown-eyed fan, so I asked the question. 591 00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:47,060 And so just for clarification, at the next meeting, we will be caught up with all of our 592 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:53,380 minutes. Is that no? No, no. When will we be caught up? I don't have an answer for you on when you'll 593 00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:59,780 be caught up, but hopefully you will see some at the next meeting. Yeah, it takes her quite a while, 594 00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:08,240 she has to re-listen to the meeting, and then write it into the document, so it just takes 595 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:09,020 a little bit of time. 596 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:11,800 All right. 597 00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,420 Well, thank you very much for that update, Mr. Crescent. 598 00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:20,440 I don't know whether you've looked at it, but people in my company have started using any 599 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,860 I tool that actually captures meeting dialogue and turns it into the document. 600 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,580 It seems to be quite good. 601 00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:33,760 So other than having to sit there and read through it and type it in, you may want to look at 602 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:41,700 some of these tools that actually do the capture for you. It's kind of amazing. You actually 603 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:48,740 get minutes within a day of some of the meetings I've been. So there's an app for that. 604 00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:58,080 Okay. Any further comments from the commission? 605 00:55:59,140 --> 00:56:07,840 All right, they're being non, we will adjourn this meeting at 7.56 pm. The next regular 606 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:13,320 least scheduling PC meeting will be held on October 16th, 2024. Thanks everybody.