Good evening folks. Thank you very much. This is the Board Commissioner meeting for the City of Mount Juliette for February 8, 2016. It is 6.31 pm. We do have a quorum present. We have all five elected officials in attendance. At this time, we will set the agenda and I believe it's set as published. Sheila, is that correct?
Okay. If you're interested in following along, they are in the back of the room on both sides, or you can follow along via the internet.
This time, I'd like to introduce you to Associate Pastor Mark Youngman from Providence United Methodist Church.
Pastor, if you'd come and lead us in prayer and pledge, we would appreciate it very much.
Thank you for coming out.
Thanks for having me.
For the fist bump.
Yeah.
I appreciate that.
That's great.
God, we thank you for the day that you have given us.
For all that you have done and all that you will yet do this evening.
We give you praise for who you are and who you call us to be.
I'm glad I thank you for this gathering of people tonight.
I'm glad we pray that you'll be present in the hearts and words that are shared and spoken tonight.
I'm glad we thank you for all the ways that you surprise us and this evening as snow is falling down.
For all that means for a city and city workers we take a moment to thank you for your beauty and the way it surprises us.
then we have hearts that are always open to wonder at the great things you do.
God, we thank you for the servants in this room, we thank you for the leaders in this
room, and we thank you that they're one in the same that you've called the group of people
to serve our community by leading.
God, we pray that your spirit will be present tonight as everyone gathered here, shares their
hearts in their minds, and we pray that you would bring unity in this place as we all strive
to see this community continue to thrive and be a place that can serve even as a springboard
for the greater things that you will yet do here and around the world.
And Jesus name, amen.
Thank you.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which
it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
Pastor, we're proud to have you in our community, it's a great church that you lead, and if you tell us, take a few minutes, tell us more about your church, we would really appreciate it.
Absolutely. Providence church is in a big season of transition right now as we're preparing to move into the first permanent building we've been meeting at West Wilson Middle School, and we'll be there for probably a few more weeks.
We're shipping that 815 945 and 1115, we've just recently gone to three services to get ready to move into the new building and we're hoping to be ready to worship by the end of February beginning of March.
And the heart of Providence Church has really been always kind of an outward focused ministry and gathering of people and we expect to continue that to be the heart of the church going forward and it may will continue to worship without walls event as kind of one of those expressions of how
We lower our community and love what God calls us to do and be here.
Yeah, well great.
I did go past it the other day on my bicycle and the building looks absolutely beautiful.
It looks great.
It looks great and I can't wait to welcome you in there.
Yeah, great.
Well, thank you for coming out tonight.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
Our first order of business is approval of the minutes from January 11, 2016.
Is there a motion?
Sir, second.
Any questions?
Comments or changes?
All in favor, signify by saying aye, aye, any opposed and any abstentions?
Those minutes are approved, three, zero, to two.
All right.
Next item of business is citizen comments.
Anyone wishing to address the board on any topic?
Please come to this podium, state your name and address for the record.
Even
in my name is Steve Cameron, I'm at a 1533 Colonel Lane.
I'd like to take this opportunity one for realizing the correct moment to state my comments.
I thought I'd missed myself earlier, so I thought I'd missed the opportunity.
I have emailed a bunch of you here already on the topic of having chickens within residential area.
This is a new movement that's really going across the whole country.
The University of New Hampshire has a extension that's going out and showing people how to have sustainable living, how to live more green.
I grew up in the state of Maine, so I'm used to having animals around, so for me this is an unusual topic.
If you look throughout the country right now, there are well over 25 cities, Los Angeles, New York City, Baltimore, or Pasadena, that have chickens.
These are not big lot areas, when you think about it, chickens are very small animals.
If you have cats or you have dogs, there's a chickens a lot smaller.
140 pound dog creates more waste and 10 chickens do on a weekly basis.
There is no reason if you do not have reasonable cleaning and so forth that you could not
have chickens in your backyard without disturbing your neighbor at all.
You could have them there and they'd probably never even realize
that they're there.
I'm not advocating, have an large huge poultry outfit
in a residential neighborhood.
I'm looking towards what most of the other cities
across the United States are already having,
which is two, three, four chickens in small backyard setting.
One hand requires only about three square feet
of living space.
If you have a small run, a fenced in area for them, it is a little bit larger than a doghouse,
but that is the type of area that we're looking at to have those chickens.
One subject, a lot of people have been brought up is noise.
An adult conversation is 60 decibels of noise.
You could be two or three feet from chickens and the most noise that usually have about 63
decibels.
Whereas a dog is 89 decibels in noise.
So there is an argument to be made that you could have chickens in a local area without
there one being too loud and two without it being sanitary or three with it being a nuisance.
Seven out of the top ten areas with a housing market where I'm sorry, I'm mistaken.
The top ten cities in the U.S. seven out of those allow chickens.
It didn't hurt property prices are so poor.
So I would like you to consider it as something to consider in the future and maybe possibly
bringing them up as an agenda item to be discussed.
Does anybody have any questions or I know I'm not supposed to expect a conversation
to act from what I'm told?
It's okay.
The thank you very much for coming.
Thank you.
Anyone else wish to address the board at this time?
Good evening Mayor, commissioners, my name is Eddie Davidson, I'm managed government relations
for Pigmont Natural Gas, my business address is 83-century boulevard in Nashville, however
my home address is Timberco, brought here in Mount Juliette, so I'm pleased to be home tonight.
I just wanted to say I'm here to offer anything that you guys may need and as you consider
the renewal of our franchise represents a continuation of the business partnership that
we're in and into when it comes to providing natural gas service for the citizens of Mount
Juliet and continue to meet the needs as Mount Juliet continues to grow so we look forward
to continuing that longstanding partnership.
I'm available if you have questions during your consideration.
Yeah, one question, please the neighbor I mentioned to you before the meeting the neighbor called me and a neighbor to your sub station there in Northwest Routland
And you
Encourage me to have her reach out to you. Sure. Did you want me to give her your cell phone number or how did you you can you can give her
So my office number, or my email number, or email address, I should say. And I should also say for all of the commissioners, as well, I have shared my contact info with the city manager over the years and should you ever run into any sort of constituent issues. I'm here as a resource for you as well. Okay. I'll do that. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming. Anyone else wish to address the board at this time.
Okay, seeing none will close citizen comments and we'll go to Commission reports and comments, starting with District 1, Commissioner Rajustis.
Thank you, Mayor.
Since we've been a bit, since we've had a meeting, a couple of things that have been going on first of all, the snow.
And we've always, we're always talking about the police officers and what a wonderful job that they did.
And we talked about the MSC as, I was very fortunate my daughter had an incident where she had to go by ambulance to Vanderbilt.
recently and it was the night that we had the real snow in the ice on the ground and the
we may need to once the guys came out there and they were as usual as I've been able to work
with them all the last 20 years they were phenomenal and that's the kind of service that we
expect and it kind of got them spoiled by. So we talked about Mount Juyat police department
because they are top notch. We talk about the Mount Juyat fire department because they are top
But our county people also deserve a lot of credit and so I'll any opportunity we get we need to
We need to set them on the back. That being said
Some of the unsung heroes out there
Some of the guys that here in the city they jumped on snow plow and
The salt trucks and within two days if one of the record snows the public works department had our roads clear
And we were driving almost normally, as normal as people in the majority of DUDRA.
It was, it was astounding to see what they had accomplished in the leadership, to come
from Jessica and Andy and the folks at Public Works, along with the fire department and
the police department.
It was a genuine team effort.
It also goes to far as the road commission at Wilson County and what they were able to do
that I've not seen them do in the past, they would really get a good job.
Seeing it, those prizes, I'll get to jump on over for those of you that would get to go to the father-daughter's dance Saturday night.
You missed it.
I was able for the first time in my life to see the Carlton dance in person.
By Commissioner Brian Aves.
heard there's a video. There is a video actually. I wish if I had had time I'd
got it to Travis and we'd have that there tonight. It was something to see. It was
something between Carlton dance and foodfighters. I'm not sure exactly which one it was,
but I didn't want to say this is looking for it. I will email it.
I've got it. This is my
or third, fourth year I believe it is, and carry my daughters to the father daughter dance.
This year I got to enjoy it with Andy Barlow and Brian Abston and so many others.
Rocky Lee, Rose, Jan, CJ, all those folks that have the Parks and Recreation to take their time
and they put their heart and soul into making that a wonderful weekend.
The tickets were sold out probably within days after it was announced to the dates, and it was first class all the way, everybody in there was treated great, and it was those little girls, or those are so dear to our hearts, we're treated like little princesses, and that's exactly what the supposed to happen.
I want to thank Rocky and I'll have him at the Parks and Recreation Department for the good job at today.
Good job.
Thank you, Mayor.
I just want to thank everyone that took the time to speak and address the commission today.
I also wanted to follow up what Commissioner Justice just said.
That was to thank all the staff, the police and fire, the public works,
the public parks as well involved with our winter weather out there.
the awesome response that they had and the effort and level of professionalism with
they put forth and the effort they do to keep the city rolling and keep it moving
along smoothly. I really appreciate all you do for us and everything you do to
keep us safe out there. Also, this Sunday we had a little fire incident in the city and
I wanted to thank the police department for their response and Weema for being there to help
out as well, and of course the Mount Juliette Fire Department, Chief Lothman, all your guys
and the effort and the volunteers that they did, and the phenomenal job that they did
responding on that, and we appreciate all that effort in protecting property and saving
lives as well, and all that goes into that and keeping us safe, just really thank you as
well as the police and everything that you guys do for us.
I also wanted to add to, I wanted to thank, and we're several, several my constituents in my district that turned out to one of the board of commission, or I'm excuse me that Board of Education meeting that they had a week or so ago, and, you know, just really, just really nice to see the response and the involvement of the people in the community there for getting out, it was a standing room only packed crowd, and everything that they did to be involved and educate themselves on the process, and it's really,
It's really nice to see people turn out and get involved and involve themselves in that.
And man, that's my comments.
All right, thank you.
Going to District 3, Commissioner Archer.
All right.
I wanted to talk about something that the board did
What we did a few years ago and then something that actually this body did,
but I couldn't vote on it.
I guess about two or three years ago, we bought the former Joey Church
And we turned that into our current police department, and it's a beautiful building, it's a beautiful police department.
And during that process there was because it was a church and they had a bad district that we asked if there was anyone that would need that bad district.
And we asked the community first, Mount Juliet, and it was, you know, we came back and we knew
and that was proven that there wasn't anyone that needed the Mount Juliet, so we, we allowed
that to go outside the community. And we could have sold that. We could have, we could have
got X amount. I don't know how much bad district sell for today. I've never crossed one and only.
But there was a client out of one of my clients, actually, out of Bonoff, which in the C came,
and they said, you know, we would like to have a bad district.
So to my, to my remembrance, that's the only one that, that came forth.
And, and again, we re-checked, I remember Mr. Bradshaw brought it up about, you know,
did we know for sure that no one in the community, etc.
So I couldn't vote, but this body voted to let that organization have that bad
district. So it was on the outside of the police department and they were doing the
renovation. So that organization came up here and got that bad district to get to
the camp and it set there for a while and then the board felt that God led them to give
that bad district to a church that was being built in East Tennessee, who's not my
And so I thought that was so good, well, I was recently at a funeral in East Tennessee and I just decided to call that church, call that pastor and ask if I could drive up there and see what we had given them.
You know, just see what really had been happened. We bless the people here, man, do it. But you don't think about when you get, you know, that whole trip was over 500 miles.
You don't think about how that now do it, bless his other areas as well.
You know, Commissioner Manis, he supported that, or he introduced the bill to support Israel.
And we all unanimously were most of us voted for that.
That was back then.
I know that we would now, and see, I made the comment one time.
It was before you were a city manager, Kenny, that, you know, we are blessed.
And we are still blessed because of what we do for others.
And here's an example.
I drove up there and as we can when I top the hill and I saw that church,
I can't tell you how it made me feel about this group of men up here.
And Brian went here but I know Brian would have voted for it.
He was a unanimous vote to give that bad history away.
Travis, would you show this?
It's a church and I don't know how many people has been baptized in it.
But because of your generosity, I couldn't have anything to do with it.
You're generosity.
That's what was at the old police station.
It's promoting the kingdom.
So I just wanted to thank you guys for doing that.
So in that concludes my question.
One other thing, Y'all were talking about the snow removal.
I'm going to tell you something about Kenny Martin.
During that snow, when most of us, some of us when they even get out, you know, I got
out and made some of the best snowcream I've ever made.
For those of you who knows anything about snowcream, but it was fantastic, I'm just telling
I'm not bragging about it, but I really am, my snowcream was great this time, that snow was
really good.
I talked to Kenny Martin, you know what he was doing while I was eating snowcream, enjoying
and other city officials, other city departments out as, as they've been talking about and doing a great job,
Kenny was going to shut in people's houses and physically clean in their driveway off.
He did that and then the second day robbed Rob Porter and his dad and his son, right?
I don't want to say that.
Yeah, they went and done it. It blew my mind, but they're again. That's that's what we're about
So thank you Kenny. Thank you board again for
Given that that that mystery way
Thank y'all that also it's my comments good good comments. Okay. Going to district four commissioner Brian. All right. Well
As usual the time it gets here just about everything is said
So did out everything that all you guys said
The one thing I would like to say is I appreciate Mark Youngman from Providence, UMC coming out and doing our prayer.
So he makes me proud when my home church is doing the prayer at the VOC meeting, so I appreciate Mark and Providence very much.
That concludes my next time you want to start.
I think we should do that, so go that one.
All right.
Go into the city manager, Kenny Martin.
Thank you, Mayor.
And there was a hidden agenda for the snow removal.
For one is, I'm too stir crazy and I couldn't stand it.
But for two is, if you know these shut-ins and all the folks that we helped,
they bring likes of, like, pies and cookies and things like that.
But our city house was a little bit of a agenda.
And the works I guess you'd say.
But we got to meet some really sweet people.
We did a little bit at even yesterday with the little lady we went to help
before I knew that the load just kept getting bigger and bigger, but that's the community
guys I'll live in just like the folks from P. and the folks from P. and the folks from
the P. and the folks from P. and the folks from P. and the folks from P. and the folks
that are here tonight. They're doing a lot of things behind the scenes that we don't
realize and I'm hoping to have some pretty neat announcements in the future, Mayor and Board
of Commissioners, those at home for some partnerships that we have with these folks and
things that they help do in the community. We'll be doing the community, either through our
BPAT program, or Greenways, Wallways, and Parks programs. I'm pretty excited about that
I hope that will come with some announcements in the future.
But Kudos to all the departments, Parks, Public Works, Police, and Fire, and particular,
an IT from Mr. Travis back there.
With that beard, you can really see a smile now.
You can do it on how to even notice it before, but with that beard, you can see it.
But Travis Hepters get all the messages out and it's true, everybody at a phenomenal job, and
it is a family.
Here's how I appreciate everybody so much, and speaking to family, well, not your UT fan
or not, and I know how it folks feel in our mayor.
And for those of you that are duty fans,
if you're not, it's still pretty cool to have coach
former in town.
All the enough, I guess it would have been a week or so
before Peyton came, you know, with,
when the Super Bowl yesterday.
And if you missed that event, hopefully it'll be in the future
that we're working on that could actually be Peyton
and come to town.
And at that point, hopefully it'll be retired
and it'll be neat to get seen.
But I'd like to say that Mount Duelett and coach
former Kimber was a little bit of a good look,
charm, because I don't think that Denver
was favorite in that game.
Where are they?
And they went by two touchdowns.
So for those Tennessee fans out there
if you're a Peyton fan, congratulations
and there's nice having coach form here in town.
I'd like to thank the commission for helping make that possible.
And also civil site design and also resolve financials
for stepping up and sponsoring that.
We really do appreciate that.
And speaking of family, there's young men
that we'd like to recognize.
And before I do that, I'd like to call Chief Hamburg.
And then of course I'm going to make sure I get this right.
It must Natalie Hughes from a sin credit union to recognize one of our beloved employees.
And a lot of times you know you want to what what it takes to run an organization like a city like this and we'd like to think our city is better than any on the planet and our goal is to make it better than it was yesterday.
But we have a young man here that I've had the privilege of watching literally grow up here and he hates this, but I've always said he had this boyish charm about him.
I don't know if it's the dimples or what it is and it's amazing to sit back there and watch them.
You still got the dimples, by the way.
It's got this beautiful family now.
It's hard to believe.
I've either been here a long time or I'm getting old.
But I'd like to bring up an employee and it's family as well.
I'd like for them to share.
Because I know the sacrifices may be on just here.
I mean, I'll let him make that decision.
But I'd like to bring up Sergeant Jason Brottman with the manager of police department to be recognized
as our employee of the month and then I'll let Chief and Miss Natalie speak from there.
because Ms. Natalie Hughes was a sin-feather-creating unit
and is the proud sponsor of our Employee's Month Program.
Mayor Board of Commission, a city staff, and certainly to all of the citizens, not Julie, we're proud of Sergeant
Brockman, it's been set for the employee of the month for January. Just wanted to go over one thing. He's doing a great job as he's taken over the leadership of our CSU, crime suppression union.
And I want to make this one thing back in December, along with the 17th drug test for
us, Lebanon, PD, the TBI, and working conjunction with them, I had a convicted felon
and doing the surveillance of drugs of aliens, Sergeant Brockman, and other members of that
team, and the four mentioned agency, we're working together.
In the middle on the story, sure, during the investigation that they did, they saw a non-fell and put weapons into a vehicle.
During that time, they began to investigate, they recovered approximately 85 pounds of marijuana, 52 weapons that was rifles and handgunned.
three large gun saves, large amount of ammunition, and the magazines to those handguns and rifles,
and other items that were used to process and package and redistribute marijuana.
And doing this investigation also, they were able to seize over $400,000 in U.S. currency,
doing this operation. It started to rock and is doing a phenomenal job in leading the CSU team,
and we crowd them here at the bottom of the TV,
we're going to take you back to that.
And Jason, on behalf of a sin federal credit union,
we give you this $25 visa gift card to you
and say congratulations on being selected as employee of the month.
I don't think I would say is that thanks to my wife,
And what I do, there's the phone always rings, the officers are calling, this was, I think
we started this at 8 o'clock at night, starting at home, almost 6 o'clock, things more.
But between officers, the informants and everything else, that I'm always, I'm always on the phone,
I'm always doing something, and she's the one who takes the brown of all of it,
and I mean, you all know that you can stitch when it's calling, he has up in there before too,
it. It just takes it to all when I just want to publicly
ventilate my little board. So thank you.
Mayor, it's good to have one more comment and that's how to
respect for Mr. Cameron, who came tonight in regards to the change in
the ordinance regarding chickens. I'll take full blame for that one.
Mr. Cameron, you and I have our opportunity to meet, but back in my
police chief days, we used to have plenty of subdivisions when the city
was less dense. The allow for chickens and things that nature and
subdivisions, but it became, you know, as we got dentured became tougher to do.
I wanted to explain to Mr. Cameron, I appreciate him,
to come out. He's been nothing but a complete professional
in gentleman, and with our correspondence back and forth,
and he and I will continue to correspond.
I know he's coming from with a tiny house, you know,
there's a lot of things that are changing and evolving.
So he and I will continue to communicate and bring forth
any ideas we may have going forward in the future.
But I'd like to thank him for coming out.
And then when I think I was terrible that we were terrible,
this is something that's pretty common.
And thank you for so much for coming out.
and he and I will continue to conversate from there, Mayor, and other than that, that concludes my report.
Okay, thank you very much.
We're going to go into the business portion of our agenda.
All the microphones are on at the table.
And we will start with item...
Well, actually, 9-1 and 9-2 are poll aren't they?
We need to take action.
Or do we need to just... do they just roll?
We need to take action.
And every time I will just put it wrong,
I think we can do the high-end.
I think that's what I want to say.
The F can reset me and ask if it could
especially for two more meetings, which would be a total of four weeks out.
They'd like to bring it back up to this.
And if they do, they don't let us find, but two meetings out four weeks.
So we did need to defer it.
Okay?
All right. Well, we'll have to go through it, I guess.
Can we do a simultaneous flight, anybody object?
No, I don't get it.
Item 9192, an ordinance demanding ordinance number 2012-44, the zoning map adopted July 23, 2012,
as amended by changing the zoning classification of approximately 5.1 acres of land, owned by Bradshaw Properties LLC,
and located at 10645-11 and road, and as described here in from our S40 to commercial retail center, being map 05-4, parcel 02100,
And also, 92, an ordinance of mending ordinance number 2012-44, the zoning map adopted July 23, 2012,
as amended by changing the zoning classification of approximately 1.6 acres of land, owned by James Ars Sullivan,
and located at 1.057-711 in road.
And as described here in, from RS-40, the Commercial Retail Center,
the map 0.5 or parcel 0.2, 3, 0, 0, 0, is there a motion? Motion? Is there a second?
Second? Second. Okay, it's on the table. Is there a motion to defer for two meetings?
I'll make that motion. Second. Any objection? Any discussion on deferral?
All in favor of a deferral, two meetings, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstention?
Okay, that is deferred two meetings by a vote of four zero one.
Next item of business is item nine three, in order in some ending part B of the Unified Development Code of the City of Malcholia, Tennessee.
No, no, no, no.
It's a zoning regulations, ordinance 2001 dash 29.
Adopted October 8, 2001, as amended, by modifying cable 6 dash 102A, permitted and
conditional use in structures allowable within mixed use in commercial districts to take
out restaurants.
Is there a motion?
Motion?
Is there second?
The questions are comments from the commission.
All in favor?
Signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Any opposed? That passes unanimously. Our next item is 9-4.
Nordinants to amend the fiscal year 2015-2016 budget ordinance, 2015-26.
To transfer appropriations from traffic light maintenance to the acquisition of traffic light test equipment.
Sir, motion.
Sir, second? Second. Question to comments from the commission.
This
is one that we want to mend it.
We've got a note to amend the Sheila.
Mayors says 12,000.
It
has.
But it wants to.
We need to amend its 12,000.
I'll make a motion to amend its 12,000.
Okay, and I'll second.
Any questions or comments on the amendment?
All in favor of the amendment.
Signify by saying aye.
back on the ordinance as amended and any questions or comments.
All in favor, signify by saying aye, aye.
Passes unanimously.
Next item is nine five in ordinance to amend the fiscal year 2015-2016 budget ordinance,
2015-26, to recognize donations to the Explorer Program and appropriate donations to the program.
Sir, motion, motion, sir, second, second.
Questions or comments?
We're going to get a shout-out, Kenny.
To the donors?
Absolutely.
Do we know who they are?
Steve.
You're more appropriate.
You're in the fire chief.
As a fire chief, step out.
The one is low, and I believe the other is Walmart.
That was in Walmart.
Chief is not in his head.
And that inadvertently, that target out.
Target low is in Walmart.
And they have been for a long, long time.
We continue to be.
And of course, there's going to be more folks coming on board
as the city continues to grow.
Chiefs nodding his head, so we thank you, Lowe's, Walmart and Tart.
Yes, sir.
Thank you very much.
All in favor of this one, signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Any opposed?
That passes unanimously.
Next item is new business.
111, an ordinance of the city of Mount Juliet to amend the Mount Juliet city code chapter four,
alcoholic beverages by adding section 4-5, retail, food, store, wine, certificate.
Okay.
Sir, motion.
Motion.
Sir, second.
Second.
What are we doing here, genome?
Where are Kenny?
Who's going to take this?
You know?
This is the ordinance to allow wine cells in stores.
Okay.
This came to us from the state.
We drafted this based on the state ordinance.
We really don't have a lot of control over this.
It all goes through the alcoholic beverage commission at the state.
They give them all the approvals for here.
They just have to comply with our zoning.
So this is changing our alcoholic beverages to allow for the zoning treated same way as you
with the sale of beer, not for consumption, but for purchase and leaving.
So it's a hundred foot space between churches, et cetera, and so forth, as it is with the
not for consumption just for clothes containers for sale.
I think there to take this start, I believe, to do live first.
I get it.
If I remember correctly.
July 6th first this year.
Think.
Hang on.
If we do nothing on this, that means it's just open across the board.
Continue to state laws.
Commission justice.
It's kind of what I was going to ask.
I mean, it's just already a state law as a reason why we should put it.
Yeah, they still have to come in and make application to us, make sure they're a good
more character, et cetera, which is part of the TABC. Plus, we can limit it with our zoning
to put some strictures on it.
For example, exercise stores, so you didn't have to want to refer to them, and I guess they're
a grocery store, and have limited amount of groceries, but yet, we want to set a line.
It really turns more into a line store than a grocery store.
You know, some of those stores are, you know,
small or mom-in-law type, first of all.
Are restrictions like that in the end?
Right.
And also make sure that they go through the TABC to furnish those proof
that they're operating, whether they put the burden on us,
to see them sell them something,
then they go have to do the application itself.
I don't know about the others.
I'm a little, I mean, it's not very clear
on the new laws that's coming out, is that I mean, for Crowvers probably, it's a
place like that, is where it's at the ones in the allow.
But I'm here in the back of the story, it's not in the allow, it's correct.
What delineates the two?
I mean, what keeps it from the end?
It is now here.
It's following TCA Kitches 7-3-8-6.
They've got to go get the permission from the state before they can come to us to make the application.
So they got us out of the state statute and get us a tip get before they come to us.
Do we know what the state statute is and relates to a grocery store as opposed to, like, the back of Mayor's back of school?
Yeah, say to find a store is the engage in the sale of food, retail, and I don't have it with me, I can pull it up before we get out of here though.
But basically, though, it's enough of the definition, and though that it's going to be a large grocery
Proverbs of publics, et cetera, et cetera.
All these, maybe, exactly.
Math co.
No, we're not co.
No, not co, no, no, that's why there's a clear footage of the clear footage.
Requirements, it has to be a, it's a big store.
It's not a hurry back, uh, right, and that was a convenient, you know, I didn't
like they wanted to make convenience stores, they don't.
It is first reading, so I guess if we need to check it out better, we get in on the second reading.
This as long as it's a specific square footage, it's going to be significant difference.
Like I'm going to map hell in a crowbar.
Yeah, because a smaller star star is usually about 26,000 square feet.
That's what I feel.
Spill croaks are, I guess, can we have the stores put a skull?
I don't think we would need anything else.
That's it.
But it was about 26,000 square feet.
That was at the time.
Our largest.
So you see how much bigger they are now than that.
Okay.
He's broken.
Any other questions?
All in favor?
Signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Any opposed?
That passes unanimously.
Next item is 11.
Two.
An ordinance of the city of Mount Juliette.
To amend the Mount Juliette City Codes article four.
alarm systems, chapter 12 section 12-48 registration fee to amend to allow staggered terms for renewals.
Is there a motion?
Motion?
Okay, I'll second.
Questions or comments?
Commissioner Giles.
It may be in here.
What my concern was or I guess I just a question about it.
Let's say whatever where everything falls into this aid of ALF or whatever it is.
If someone just applies for a permit say today or the end of this month, and then their
goes into that letter, I mean is there a pro-wation to some of this or is there a need to?
Am I just misunderstanding this?
It's not that I'm against it, I just want to, does that make sense?
I mean, it's like I'll lose a little bit because of the pro-wation somewhere in there.
They have been corroborated because it's $10, I believe, a year and it's been automatic renewal at one time.
But do you see what I'm saying?
It's like some of my past $10.
Let me it's not very much.
But I guess you're a long and faded worry and then a more safe.
Yeah.
I mean, that's not quite fair.
Is there anything in there, it's a dress?
Who's sponsorship?
This came from the police department of China.
Do you understand the question?
Okay, what are we going to do about that?
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Let's do this.
Just come over, we're pro-rated feet.
We come over some type of feet to where
If they're paying on this month, then you're added to play for instance, if it's a
pandemic, it would equal out to $12.
And they would be due to the fall of panic on the public side.
If you're doing this to save staff time, I say.
But it's obvious as the city is growing.
And more and more people are getting their lump in it.
It's for the burning on the staff when it all comes in one time.
because a lot of putting it out and getting those out,
and there are normal days where it's put aside.
So what we're trying to do is make it more efficient to have
to wear a spread out, they can continue there
at that normal work duties as well,
and that'd be so far down in the process of the long run.
I like to go, but that hypothetical that Commissioner
mentioned is pretty severe. Come in and pay on February and then you're because of the
letter of your last name you pay again on March, you know, that could be...
I wouldn't, I wouldn't like that either, but if I'm saying it, it's $10 and then you're talking
about four different times. So you're talking about 250 as long and I would just say, you know,
1250 and then you're not doing until the next, you know, the next time when you're,
they said something y'all can handle in-house or we got a fix that right here.
We would need the word pro ready to go somewhere.
I think what Chief is saying, if you come in February, you would just pay for the rest of that period.
The rest of that period plus the next year or so, like if you pay today, you wouldn't pay again until March of 2017.
We know the right, we know that on your 13 months as to what, or still one in that scenario.
In the middle of it, what is it six months?
I guess.
I'm sorry, right.
That's another year.
But then, which that's good to get a bit from, actually.
What is this paper?
I guess my question is why does it, why does an alarm need to be registered with a police department?
That has to be registered with an alarm company.
it doesn't monitor anything directly, isn't there a fee for it, we call, but we are responding
to those things.
You are responding to the call, but that's not worth it, I'm wondering what the...
I don't know, they came in my house one time and I was glad they did.
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know what that, I mean, you know, I think it was not far along.
go off to, you know, of course I pay a monthly bill, or to 80, or whatever, monotronics or
whatever it may be. You pay a monthly bill, and then they monitor it again, and as it goes
off, they call, not one one or they call it, please pardon whoever it is, then it please respond.
So I guess my question is, why are we paying a fee? What is it for? What is it painful?
This is why it was explained to me was you had the problem with people going out of town for a week of vacation and the alarm goes off
And I think you asked for additional contact information
So they have somebody in town the contact the turning alarm off instead of the neighbors next door
And have it at a listen to it. They guess they shoot the horn out or something
Now they long the long will receive themselves in a certain period
But it was that they thought about what was explained as the original purpose was to get an extra contact
And so we're going to make him pay $20 a year to get a contract?
$10 a year.
I want $10 a year.
And it's $25 if it's commercial.
This isn't something that just the city of Mount Julia is doing.
This is something that every city across the United States does, really.
That doesn't justify to me to pay.
Nobody told me yet what we're paying for while we're getting.
I can tell you, when two guys came to my door and I was glad they did.
the $10.00 it was a false in the $10.00
I didn't begin to cover two guys dropping to my house and not all right absolutely not but I mean my point is
and things between me and you just in your career and in my career how many alarm calls do you
like the two of us have answered you think you go up into the thousands probably yeah I mean you know I've been to those
And it's in the out of the deal, I mean, you know, when you're on duty, you go to a call, sometimes most of the time it's a call, but that's not a time.
There's also a penalty.
Bro, believe that.
I number a call.
After two false calls, maybe you don't have it registered, you don't know who to send it to, to penalize it.
So we're making people pay the $10 a year so that we can penalize them later on.
I just see this. I was glad to pay it. I'd rather pay the tan than pay it.
Well, I've got the payment for you. I promise you. And I know the amount of your
employees department, whether you pay that $10 or not, they still would have come to your
house. Yeah? I'm sure. I promise you that. And if they had them, Wilson can't
come to your house. My face is bad enough, Lebanon would have come to your house. I'm very
I just don't the $10, it may seem to help.
It just never makes sense to me to feel done.
So, speed has been around for a while.
Not sure of how it gets, you know, when you get started.
That's what it is.
And nobody knows what it's for.
Before our time.
Yeah.
It's good to question.
I mean, I just like to know what it's for.
Can we find out what it actually goes for?
Is it, if somebody has researched before the next meeting?
We had a big, we had a big discussion on this right at the court.
No, actually I was here when it was you.
Yeah, I was.
None of that changed, does it change?
No, no, no.
This is just this part of this.
This is changed from one that we worked so long.
No, remember that?
But that was wrong.
The whole thing was doing.
That was wrong.
And people come in.
People moving in, getting along.
It's just, you know, is the workload of, you know,
you know, increase from it.
I bet the 10 bucks that need to cover the clerk to process it.
Well, I'll bet.
Hmm.
Paying the neck to write the check.
Tell you the truth for 10 dollar, rather, be more.
Well, when it comes time, you're more than
putting money back on the phone.
I didn't have another question for you.
But based on this ordinance, it says shall be $120 per month for a direct monitoring
by the city.
Does the city do any direct monitoring?
To my, you know, years ago we used to live in the people who had their alarms to where
we were directly within dispatch and board within dispatch, and white would go off and
off.
It was a little green from, yeah, I remember that, yeah, was that not back in the 60s or something, but I don't know.
The business might make sure to, which I'm going to do.
I'm going to do that.
The business might make sure to, which I'm going to do.
I'm going to do that.
Y'all go ahead.
I'm sorry.
All right.
Other questions or comments?
May I back and get you some clarification?
I'm about to board this time.
Backing this and forth.
How can you make that in that position?
It's first reading.
Okay, all in favor, signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Any opposed?
That passes unanimously.
Next item is 113.
An ordinance granting franchise to Peatmont Natural Gas Company incorporated.
Is there a motion?
Sir, second.
I'll second.
Questions or comments?
Almost a great pass.
I don't know, John came up.
I guess he's got something to say.
I'll say it's a renewal of a one that we put in 2006, which was a renewal of a one of
a thousand or a fact in 1997, I think. There's no real modification to it, other than
they did ask that we extended rather than 10 years to go out 20, and they have offered us
an exit clause at the end of 10. So we don't go through this again unless we want to.
And so much of refreshment, everyone. What is ramifications of not doing this?
You're not going to be a gas, so you're not going to be a gas.
So they can whip and buy a gas.
I'm just curious.
You don't want to pay that to happen, but you have to not give up 5% of the gross sales in the revenue part.
Here he is.
I'd like to keep your heat on though, wouldn't you?
Yes, yes.
Commissioners, the Tennessee code requires that natural gas companies that are in
best-round natural gas utilities are required to have a franchise in order to provide
service to cities.
So it's a requirement of state law.
And again, I'm just curious, but if another company came in here, they wanted to provide
Yes, service to the city. Would that prevent that from happening?
Under the franchise, as we have put that we have been engaged in,
to provide for an exclusive franchise.
The practical fact, even absent a exclusive franchise,
because of the capital intensive nature of the natural gas business.
It's extraordinarily unlikely that another gas companies would come in and want to overlay
into an existing system on the hopes of gaining customers.
Just because, you know, unlike a telecom franchise or something like that.
like TDS did the call for laying out that capital as you guys know, we have a lot of
allow so many.
It's our cash cropping list again.
There's been.
Thank you.
Yeah.
That explicitness that you were referring to is that from renewal to renewal.
Part of that period for a certain amount of time whether we renew it or not.
That is embodied within the franchise agreement, so if in 10 years if you chose to, if you chose to exit the current franchise and you wanted to remove exclusivity, that would be your option.
But it's for 10 years, that's what this whole thing is for.
This franchise, the franchise, and that's something that John mentioned, what we had asked to do, because of the capital intensive nature of the business.
you know, we're making long-term investments
at just, you do this commissioners and so.
But we also recognize that it seems that
it's not due to the appetite of what's for a 10-year term.
So what we asked to do is to sort of meet in the middle
of the say, this is a 20-year franchise.
However, the city has an exit at 10 years
should you choose to exercise it?
So it's the equivalent of a 10-year franchise.
But I do, and this we're granting you a monopoly, right, for 20 years, and a senior.
I assume that your rates are regulated by state.
That's correct.
Our rates, our rates, our service provisions, our service standards,
all of that's regulated by the
the growth as we grow and you set the vision as coming in and we're within the regional
planning area in five years or maybe another company that we want to come to some area.
So I think it's good to have a time frame on that because I have nothing to just keep on
like you're very good.
They do.
But I think for the city, you know, in five years or maybe another player out there for
some area.
And you know, I would beg so I can make a big deal with the legislature.
You know, government's grant legal monopolies, because you don't want to set their gas lines
run all through the city, you know?
You don't want to multiple, you know?
Because the multiple lines, walking measures, there was multiple water companies.
And I think that does speak, again, in terms of practicality.
And for practical purposes, you're not going to have that overlay in terms of the public safety for spots and the confusion that is required.
I don't think anybody else has been knocking down the doors, not doing it here lately.
But I guess I have to lay a second set of pipes.
Yeah, I do have a question.
And in the legislature, what Mr. Charles was saying just
minutes ago, and that is that we've got a lot of areas that is not developed.
Yeah, it is going to be developed.
Where P0 does not now have lines.
Now, if another company came in, you wanted to go into that area.
And P0 said, well, that's not something we want to attack right now.
Would that be an opportunity there to proceed, y'all, to allow someone else to
and handle that market, or is that something the child would want to?
I can't speak in the end.
And hop of that, what the situation would be, but I can tell you that we've got a pretty robust infrastructure around within Mount Juliet.
And typically how a natural gas utility expands, they don't typically sort of start in an area.
You know, you have to connect out to the transmission infrastructure that's out there. So typically the way a natural gas utility expands as they expand from the center out.
creating a new center is extraordinarily difficult, because to do that, then they have to run their own infrastructure to a transmission pipeline to get that going.
So, again, in theory, I could see where that could happen, but in practice, just the nature of the way a natural gas system is built, it seems extraordinarily unlikely.
And basically, that's another regulatory type item there so, for instance, as you develop new neighborhoods and they are the franchise, they can't say no, they have to provide the service to those subdivisions.
Correct?
Well, we, because we're a regulated utility, every customer sort of has to stand on its own.
Our regulators don't like the notion of your existing customer subsidizing service at a new subdivision.
So if it doesn't make, if it's not economically viable,
our regulator won't let us subsidize, subsidize a customer
growth.
But I can also tell you that the most important thing,
the most important thing for P. Mont Natural Gas is safe.
Next to that, though, is we want to continue
to take care of our existing customers.
And we want to continue to grow our customers,
because unlike the public sector, it's a business.
And growth, customer growth is one of our primary goals.
So I can assure you that at any chance,
but we have to add to our customer base,
it's good for P-min and it's good for the city
because of our financial arrangement that we have.
So I would say to one of the things that each of you can do
as new developments come online is to ask them
or not, they're utilizing natural gas, and then they say no, they say why not, and if you still don't get a great answer, tell me, we'll try to work it out.
Well, let me just cut that one in half or I'm calling you right now. The people in my district don't work off a webinar,
not, but don't have access against it. If you can handle that next week or two, I'd really appreciate it.
I'll certainly give a shot. Thank you.
And for give us on the question, the whole American systems based on competition, and so we're
granting you a monopoly, and consumers typically aren't real comfortable with monopolies.
So, of course, we have a re-operative monopoly with our sewer system, so we have the same
kinds of similar type goals and objectives in servicing customers expand the system in
the form of support.
Anyway, now the question is a comments.
All in favour?
Think if I buy a saying aye?
Any opposed?
That passes unanimously.
Thanks.
Yes, sir.
Before we...
Before we move on, if I could.
Got in several emails and text alerts about the
durian road conditions.
I don't know if there's anything left on the agenda that we might want to
consider flooding off to the next sort of picture.
We're at the end of it, isn't that bad?
Yeah, I see.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but that's good point, that's good point.
So much for the desk, and we got the desk in earlier, but whatever's happened since
has been a little bit more in Mayer, where that said I'd like to pull my particular item indefinitely
until further notice, which you want to let in for?
Yes, sir.
Okay, let in for is pulled until later notice, what else we got?
115, sounds like he can roll, that okay? Kenny, justor. 115 rolls, 116. Can y'all just do that real quick for me?
Get appointments to the Parks Board, Parks and Greenway Board, Gay Lynn Wilson and Rick Williams.
They both provided BIOS for you. I hope you had a chance to check them out.
Be great additions to our Parks and Greenway Board.
All in favor?
That's just an appointment with the confirmation by the board so all in favor of those two sing if I'm by saying aye
Okay, thank you all and then we have one more. We've got to do any stop is
being nominated to
Continue to serve on the Board of Equalization for another one year two year term. Sorry
Two year term. That's also a nomination by me in a vote on the out by the commission all in favor of
He's not serving in that role, I think if I'm by saying aye.
Aye.
And he posed.
And Commissioner Abs.
And you want to roll your?
Yeah.
The last two items are discussions.
So we'll just roll those to the next.
Lemonate in the 11-9 will be rolled.
If you're out on the road, please be safe.
We're going to go ahead and abruptly close our meeting.
They're all exposed.
So that we need a motion to adjourn.
For a second, all in favor of adjournings.
We are adjourned. Thank you all very much.