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Recording in progress.

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I'm going to call to order the June 16th City Council meeting and ask that you stand for the flag salute if you are able. I

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States and America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. All right, and our land acknowledgement statement will be read by Council Member Emory.

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We hit your button there.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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We acknowledge the original inhabitants of this area, the Stohomis people, and their

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successors, the Tulalic tribes.

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Since time and memorial, they have hunted, fished, gathered, and taken care of these lands.

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We respect their sovereignty, their right to self-determination, and honor their sacred spiritual

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connection with the land and water.

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We understand the cultural and historic significance of the city of McAteal holds in respect of the

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signing of the point, Elliot Treaty of 1855.

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As the city, we commit to being honest about the legacy

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of colonization and our indigenous predecessors

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and commit to bringing you about a future

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that includes their people, stories, and voices

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to form and just in fair society.

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Thank you very much, Council Member Emery.

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Is there any council member or staff

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have anything on the agenda order?

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Anything on the agenda order?

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Right. And I have a proclamation to read this evening as well, Juneteenth.

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Whereas Juneteenth

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is the oldest nationally celebrated commemoration of the ending of slavery in the United States.

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And whereas Juneteenth commemorates African-American freedom and celebrates the successes gained

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through education and greater opportunity. And whereas on June 19th, 1865, two and a half

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years after the passage of the Emancipation Proclamation, Union General Gordon Granger and

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his troops rode to Galveston, Texas and enforce the end of slavery.

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And whereas combining the words June and 19th, June 10th has been celebrated for over 150

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years.

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And whereas Washington State passed House Bill 1016 making June 10th the legal state holiday,

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which went into effect June of 2023.

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Now therefore be it resolved that I, Joe Murray, mayor of the city of Michael Tio, do here

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hereby proclaim June 19th, 2025 as Juneteenth in the city of Michael Teal, and I urge all residents to join me in celebrating the victory of ending slavery in America, and the efforts that continue to be made to support and heal the black and African-American community.

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Thank you.

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Any council comments?

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Reports? Comments? Council Vice President Moon.

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So, thank you Mayor, I have three reports, one, this past week I had the distinct honor

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of joining fellow residents aboard the Navy's guided USS John Paul Jones and it was

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alongside the Chamber of Commerce, Rotary, Kiwanis, and other members in our community.

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And I think the most amazing thing about that experience was meeting the 300 sailors.

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Now, I didn't mean all 300, but the majority of the sailors are the lower levels, right?

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And so they're the ones that are 18, 19, 20, 21 years old.

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And a lot of them didn't have family at this family and friends event.

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Which is why I think we're trying to adopt this Navy ship is because we want to be a community for them.

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A lot of them are flying from all over the country to serve in the Navy, yet they don't have family.

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And so it was really great hearing about their stories, why they joined and you know, it's a difficult time

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And I think I want to make sure we support them in what they're doing

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But anyway, it was a great experience. Great community. So incoming commander Cody Locke will soon become the commander

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And she's she's an amazing leader as well and shout out to the tenants commander Michael

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Jebson who showed me around

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Thank you so much for that

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Next, I think some Mike might mention this, and I'll mention this a little later, but I want to congratulate all the Kamiach graduates, especially with our MEAC seniors who graduated.

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Daniel, Andre, Aaron, David, and others, so proud of you.

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And lastly, we had the PSRC Economic Development Board meeting, and just a quick update.

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We did a SWOT analysis of what our economic opportunity looks like.

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We also discussed the World Cup that's coming next year, and what we can do as a community

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to really help market it as well as prepare for potential people that come to our region.

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And so that is it for me.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any further council comments or reports?

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Seeing none, we'll move to public comments.

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We're going to start with George Barron.

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I'm on and ready to go.

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Looking forward to the current status on the McAteo speed

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cameras.

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I'm also looking forward to hearing what the results of the

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process survey were.

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With that in mind, I'd like to remind the council that the

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purpose of making the TDoc dive site into a city park is the

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keep divers and swimmers away from motor boats. The cost of maintaining the park

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should be very small. We've taken care of the dive site for about 30 years

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using only volunteer work and I'm not expecting or requesting in a

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significant change in that. I don't see any reason why it's not a goal and I'm

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glad that we're working on it. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Barron. Joe Hannon.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak tonight.

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And I am a Muckle Tio resident to live on 114 St. Southwest.

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I'm here tonight as a 28 year veteran and also as president of Muckle Tio Quantis.

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And in addition tonight, I'm here on behalf of three community groups, Muckle Tio Quantis,

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the South Everett, Rotary, and the Chamber of Commerce.

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South Everett, McEl'Teele, Rotary.

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The Rotary Club, so.

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But I was at the work session where a topic came up about asking the city to join into a partnership with the three community groups.

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Unfortunately, couldn't answer some of the questions, so I'll try to answer some of those that came up.

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As Councilmember Moon said, our goal here is to support the sailors and the families of one ship.

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The request for this came from the Navy.

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From the commander of Naval Station Everett, it's Captain Stacey Worthier, who made that

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request, which then in turn went to she wanted to identify a specific ship, and that was the

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John Paul Jones, and to their commander, who is a Muckle Teele resident, Brian Laws.

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And he follows a long tradition in Muckle Teele.

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Muckle Teele is the place of choice of commanders of ships there.

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So we've had most recently, some of you know, Muckle Teele Chocolate Company, started by a spouse

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of a commander of one of the ships.

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It's Jan Straub and her husband, he's just now retired, but Daniel Straub.

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In addition to that, the current and first female superintendent of anapolis lived in Harbor

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Point about a block from where I did.

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So she's a two-star admiral, now she brings, we met her last spring by accident but has

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That's very, very fond memories of Muckleteele and her time at Naval Base Everett.

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So there, we're here to invite 30 seconds left.

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Whoops, we're here to invite the city at a no cost to join with other community groups

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to meet some of the goals of the city of community engagement.

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This is the ultimate opportunity for us to reach out to people, young people that are serving

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and to help them integrate into our business community and to our schools.

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We've also approached the school district, 30 of the families on the John Pauls, well,

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30 of the families that Everett live in Muckle Teal, and they've asked for our assistance and help.

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We have a lot more, it's a no-cost thing, and we invite the city to join with Kiwanis.

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Over 100 years old, serving Michael Tio, the Rotary Club, and the Chamber of Commerce.

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Thank you, Mr. Hannon.

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I'm done.

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You didn't have to put it up.

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Sharon Dammell.

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Any questions that I can answer?

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We don't do that with it.

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Can't do the question.

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Thank you.

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Sharon Dammell, Michael Tio.

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The land statement is part of a broad movement to indoctrinate people into thinking that America

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is bad.

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I'm very sad that our elected officials want to participate in that movement.

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America is not bad, it is very good.

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And we should all be proud and grateful to live here.

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The legacy of Americans coming to this region is the ending of slavery here.

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Last meeting, you passed the safe and welcoming city resolution and

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then you passed an additional motion to display the resolution on the walls in all city buildings.

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It is absurd to display it at all city buildings.

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That would include every storm router processing building or storage shed.

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The public never goes in some city buildings. Does this mean that council thinks our city employees won't treat residents politely and fairly if they don't have a resolution on the wall?

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And even in the buildings that the public does go in people are very unlikely to stand there and read a wordy resolution.

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I would have made these points before you voted only once again a significant motion was made after public comment was closed. This is extremely frustrating.

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This resolution doesn't accomplish anything good.

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It's just intended to virtue signal, except by including the words gender identity,

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it just signals to women that they are second-rate, that women's rights to fairness, privacy,

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and safety matter less than the desires of men with fetishes.

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It also unfortunately plays a part in communicating the trans lie to young people,

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a lie that has done enormous damage both mentally and physically to young people.

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I am very grateful that Council Member Vego had the courage to vote no on this resolution

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on behalf of women. It looks pretty bad that a council of men voted down the one woman

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on the issue of women's rights. It is impossible to support both women and transit ideology

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because transit ideology requires the erasure of women. Either males are allowed in women's

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sports and spaces or they are not. I'm very sad and disappointed that the men on this council

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chose men with fetishes over women. The situation is not actually safe and welcoming to women.

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With the land statement, you want to virtue signal about the 170-year-old past when you

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are right now saying that girls and women have no right to fare sports, that we have no

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right to privacy and safety in our restrooms, and that you are okay with children being

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lied to and subsequently being sterilized and having their bodies mutilated.

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That's what you're doing right now.

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Council members have previously accused me of injecting culture war items, and even a few

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Two weeks ago, accused me of harming multi-million dollar negotiations and being, quote,

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offensive to a government entity.

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I will just remind you that I merely respond to what you put on the agenda.

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You are the ones unnecessarily introducing divisive topics to city council meetings.

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I would be more than happy to stop going back and forth about these topics and instead talk

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about matters of city business such as the city's finances.

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On that topic, I will just say now that the local program means taking on debt and that

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is a big step.

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Normally, the public has to vote on whether the city should take on debt, such as by issuing bonds.

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Debt, burdens, future residents, and ties the hands of future councils.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Delo.

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Tony Delo.

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On-line, we have elaine now.

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Good evening, council and mayor. First off, councilmember

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bravago does not represent this woman. Secondly, thank you for reading the Juneteenth

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proclamation. It takes me back to some comments that I heard Tyler Perry mention at the

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BET Awards a couple of weeks ago. What he said is, I want you to pay attention, he said to

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They are removing our book from libraries, they are removing our stories and our history,

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they are removing our names from government buildings as if someone wants to erase our footprints.

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Because what we need to understand is that if our children don't know our history,

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they won't know our power.

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And that sentence, they won't know our power.

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That could fit me too.

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If my children don't know my history, the good and the bad of it,

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But they won't know our power, the good things that we did, and the not so good things

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that we did.

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So just a few comments for him, but thank you again for reading the Juneteenth Proclamation

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and Councilmember Vago does not represent me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Nap.

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Alona Venduzer.

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Can you hear me?

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Yes, we can.

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Okay.

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I would like to ask that we do support the Navy and it's adoption of the ship and I know

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that last week there was a healthy discussion around that and not everyone was in favor.

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So I hope that the week's time in between that there was some research done and that folks

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have perhaps changed their mind. And again as one of the council members mentioned last week during

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the work session, this is about supporting the people on the ship not necessarily the war

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mission. I know that perhaps causes some conflict in the support that is being asked by the three

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city organizations but being a military wife and a military daughter I

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wholeheartedly support this endeavor. Thank you. Thank you Ms. Venduser. All

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right. Is there anybody else in the room that would like to address Kevin Stolz?

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What do you mean? I'll fill out the form a little bit. So I wanted to make some

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comments on the discussion on EV chargers. Actually I ran into three people

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people today on when I was jogging and the first person they pulled me aside, they come

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down from Harbor Point, they drive down every morning with their dog and they walk the

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water front and he asked me, did you hear about the EV that they're talking about taking

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those away and you know, and charging a dollar per kilowatt hour? He said, he's basically

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echoed exactly what I thought is a dollar per kilowatt hour you cannot expect to have any

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kind of people using that for a dollar per kilowatt hour. That's three times the go-and-rate

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on commercial chargers. So, you know, worst case, I mean, he said, well, if they're concerned

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about $4,500 a year, then why not just, you know, charge a lower rate, you know, charge

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like 10 or 15 cents or something like that. So, you know, that would, that would clear it

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out. And, you know, I think trying to use that as a profit center, you know, $20,000 if

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you had as much uses you have it for free isn't really that big of a thing.

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The other thing, let's see, so another thing is the every night when I take the dog out,

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I live like three blocks away from the speedway. And the cars at Lighthouse Park and if they're

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zoom in up the road, maybe they're getting tickets.

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I don't know.

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Every single night, it's loud.

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And we have to try to, I mean, we have to have somebody.

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Maybe the council can go down and there and see it.

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If you go down around sunset, until you like 10 o'clock

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when it closes and just the people making all that noise

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with the cars and stuff, it's not that big of a time period.

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And it would be really nice if we can get some action on that.

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It's just, it's really bad.

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And another person stopped me and said that, you know,

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they're trying to coordinate the time that they call.

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I've kind of given up on calling.

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It's been like five years since I originally looked up the RCW

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that allows the city to enforce that.

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And it seems like, okay, five years.

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I don't think much is happening.

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But I wish something.

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Also, I wanted to stress, you guys need to better understand the parking situation before

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you start making assumptions that the fact is that you're down like $200,000 from what

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you forecast on the parking.

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You have signs up there and nobody even knows how much it is.

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It's $3 an hour.

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You can't even tell that until you get online and put in your license number

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That's a simple thing to fix. I don't know why why you don't do that

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But you also have the ticket car and you know, you can get you can find out how many residents are down there how many people are

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paying for parking and how many aren't and so you guys should as a council you should ask for that data

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It's available, you know, so you know, use it

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Thank you, mr. Stoltz

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Anybody else in the room like to just the council?

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Okay.

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All right, we will move on with our consent.

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Is there a council member who needs

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to have any questions or pull an item off of consent?

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All right, we will move those as presented,

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which brings us to our first business item,

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the local program.

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And you will find that under tab number three

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and director Neenhouse will be coming up to the podium.

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Okay, good evening council.

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I am here for the two business items tonight, both of these fall under Council Priority 1.

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We have discussed these at work sessions and just in general in the past, so nothing

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new, but we're here at a regular meeting to possibly take action and get public comments.

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So the first one is the local program.

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So, just a reminder, summary, this is a financing tool to the Office of State Treasurer.

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And they pull these together with municipalities around the state into bonds that the cities

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then pay a fixed income stream, a regular principal interest payments, which I also have

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in Exhibit 2.

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And the financing terms also can range for four to ten years and then they give us a range

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range of a low and a high interest rate, but the interest rate obviously does not get

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set until they actually sell those bonds. So,

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quick peak at the vehicles and equipment.

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This comes from the six-year plan which was actually presented during the Bayano budget.

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These were the vehicles that we talked about for the two years. Some of these are in the

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budget. Some of these are not. So, these first ones are vehicles that are four-year

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The first two were for fire that actually council had talked about these recently.

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And resolution 2025-14 was voted on and approved.

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That should the EMS levy lit lift pass, that staff is directed to prepare a budget amendment

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for the fire department to increase the budget so these funds will be used out of that EMS

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levy.

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the self-contained breathing apparatus and the bunker here. So just as a reminder of that,

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I have them here still, but they were part of that resolution for the EMS levee.

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And then the two fort interceptors are actually in the current biennial budget

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under ERNR. Six-year vehicles and equipment, trucks and cars generally are falling under this six

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years. The ones we have, so we have some public works trucks,

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engineering escape to replace and a planning escape. That second public works

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truck I want to just highlight that that is no longer operational and I really

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don't want to be putting money the amount of money that would take to get that

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truck up and running would be significant so I do not want to continue to put

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money into that old truck so it's no longer you'll be seeing it on a surplus

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resolution in the near future.

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Ten-year vehicles and equipment. So our right-of-way

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mower, we have spent, oh and I just want to go back to this one I forgot I have

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included maintenance costs on these. You guys had asked about that last time. So

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this is your to date when I had made this the maintenance costs on these vehicles.

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Ten-year equipment to the right-of-way mower is dead. We spent a significant amount

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money over it over the years as you can see. Way more than we would ever want to

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spend and so you also we've seen that on a surplus resolution we are proposing

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to replace that with a very dedicated right-of-way mower rather than a

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tractor if in the future and then also the John Deere or the New Holland

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backhoe has had significant repairs it's well beyond its life so those are the

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two. I have a question mark in maintenance costs we could only find two

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$3,000 by remember spending a lot more than that early on, you know, like seven or eight years ago, we're just having trouble finding the receipts so

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There's any specific vehicle questions. I'll gladly answer those

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I did not include in here on the 10 year, but it has come up as the engine for the fire department

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That would be approximately $1.5 million for that, but that is also something that we could replace through this 10 year program

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payment schedule

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For your term, you can see there how much is financed, the range that would be the total

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cost depends on how much it is, and then approximately how much a year, that will vary

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a little bit, but so the four year term would be approximately $175,000 a year, six year

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term, $70,000 a year, and the ten year term, $63,000 a year.

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Now, if you want to just take the engine, if you want to figure that out, it's 1.5, so

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we take that 63 times 3, that could get us a pretty rough number of $189,000 a year

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as well.

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It would cost to finance the engine.

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So,

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steps, next steps, what's going on?

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So we have already filed the notice intent and the credit form.

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It'll be a few more weeks before we get anything back from Treasury.

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Is there working on that?

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And then they produce the council resolutions and all the financing documents that we would come back to council with to officially adopt those.

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So the no some intent in the credit app had to be in by July 3rd. We have that done.

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So we have until the middle of August to get all those documents back to OST and then the funds would be available towards the end of the year.

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, just you might ask what my own personal opinion is I would say that if this is something that council wishes to do

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We start with the long-term equipment and work our way down because those are the ones that significant financial resources to take

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Might be difficult for us to finance one off on those so I would go 10 then six and then maybe consider the four but really those 10 and six year ones in that order so

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Yes. Any questions? Council Member Harris?

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Yeah, it's a quick question. The maintenance costs on that chart. Were those the year-to-date

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or those like the life cycle? Life cycle today is what I meant to say.

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Oh, life cycle today, okay. Okay. And so there's really, so those numbers don't translate to

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a yearly maintenance cost. No, kind of. They fluctuate all over the place, but yes.

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Okay. Okay, thank you. Council President Jordan.

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Two things on the mower. What are we going to do now that we don't have a working mower and then how often does the back go get used?

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Not a working mower is a bit of an issue. They're very, very expensive to rent if we can even get one because the few that are out there getting high demand during the summer.

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And so what we do is we have to spot mo with our mini excavator that has a mower head

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but it's a lot more time consuming because we have to have a truck and a trailer unload it,

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mo load it back on, you know, so and that's really a stormwater equipment that should be being used

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on ponds and things like that and not on right away. So then we also take it away from stormwater being

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used. So we're really just trying to hit the hot spots with it. But yeah, so right away moeing is

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going to be an issue for the summer.

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We were able to get the speedway done

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and get that taken care of, so.

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And then the other question was about the backhoe.

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The backhoe gets used multiple times a week, right?

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So it's busy quite often, correct.

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And that one is mostly, so stormwater has one backhoe

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that they stormwater paste for and stormwater uses.

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This backhoe is specifically for streets and parks

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doing their work.

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And so it's cleaning the boat ramp

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and it's, you know, spreading chips and things like that, so yeah, it is all used.

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Council Member Emory.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Your question is about the life expectancy of all of this equipment.

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Yeah. Apparently, the back ho can last a very long time, maybe. The vehicles is a 10-year contract

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to pay them off. Is that equal to their life expectancy? Or can we get more out of them?

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So one of the things that makes this perhaps more or less interesting is do we have room after

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we pay off the debt to still use all of this equipment before we have to start the cycle again?

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Yeah, so the financing has to be for

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The life expectancy or less

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To the state and so most of our cars and trucks as you can see are going to be

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12 15 years old or so before we are replacing them

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So those are six year items. We're gonna get twice that out of it back

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Oh, we probably won't get twice 10 years although 99 you know, it's been a while

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But you know, those are at least 15 year items, correct? If you were just going on a schedule with a backup, it'd be 15 years

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Okay, I think that was good information

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Yeah, all right. Thank you

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Councilmember Harris. Yeah, so I

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Know that this is a

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Like I'm just taking a clear picture of like the city. We don't like debt here

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And we are usually very physically solvent and you know, very disciplined and whatnot, and I know that you know taking on debt kind of, you know, counter circumvents that and also circumvents one of our policies.

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I'm just going to jump right into it and say that like I believe that the bunker gear, the specifically the fire department needs, those are the things that I'm advocating to use for local because they're lifesaving.

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I'm wondering if there's another city we can contract with to maybe get theirs possibly?

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I really don't think so.

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They're going to be hot and heavy using it when we would need to use it.

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Those kinds of pieces of equipment are hard to, those are very specialized equipment.

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It's hard to do that without spending a lot of money.

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I'm curious, did we ask admins at all?

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I have not, but I've been in the industry a while and I kind of have an idea about those.

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Yes, I agree and I respect your experience and stuff. I believe Edmonds would be motivated to find revenue

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So that's kind of my thought there, but neither here nor there. I'm all for the fire department needs

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Out of this list

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Also present Jordan

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Yeah, money question

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The

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In addition to the interest rate, are there some fees up front in addition that are not reflected in in this?

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It's all built in okay, okay, so there's no like up front. Okay. Thanks. All right any further questions councilor Dixon. Okay

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So I have a couple of questions for you. What is the current balance just estimate any equipment reserve? I do not know like 650 650,000 ish

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Director Newton, yes, can probably check on that for you while we're.

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How much?

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687?

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847?

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Okay.

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And so currently what equipment per the budget would actually be funded by the equipment

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reserve?

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I think when you went through the analysis and we didn't include the bunker gear into breathing

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apparatus, there was like 300, 400,000 or something like that, keep you going.

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What is currently funded in the budget right now?

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Yes.

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That's on this list.

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Yes.

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The police interceptors.

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The two interceptors, the 92.5.

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Is what is budgeted for 2026?

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The 2025 items have already been purchased or ordered, right?

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So then the way the math works is the 867,

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unless the 292.5s, so about, I don't know, 700,000 or so,

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is left.

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Where's the 292.5?

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The 28th, the two interceptors, they're each 92-5.

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So, if you were to-

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$180,000, yeah, correct.

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So, that's what I meant by the two 92-5s.

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But then you would also have to make-

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I thought you were making two or nine out of that, yeah.

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No, so you'd have to, and then mechanically,

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you would have to leave the same amount that you removed

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from the equipment reserve in it, right?

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So you'd have to put another 190,000 back into the equipment replacement reserve.

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Well, you don't have to put it in, but you have to have that balance in there, right?

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So when you spend some 90, you have to have the balance of 190.

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And there's currently 870, so there's clearly that.

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Okay.

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So where I was going with it is if you were to use the equipment replacement reserve to pay for

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the breathing apparatus and the bunker gear, that's totals 450,000,

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And you were to use the equipment replacement reserve to do that.

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There's still, there'd be 450 left in there, so you don't have to put anything in, or you'd have to leave at least 450.

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How does that work?

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You're going to spend 450, you've got to leave 450.

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You're done, you have to have 450 in.

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Okay, so that's, the reason why I'm going through that is that the mechanics of that kind of, to me, highlight why this approach is important because there are very few things that you could actually do.

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If you understand the way the math works with the $800,000 with this list of, I don't know, what is this, $1.34 million of critical equipment because these are all priority one items as I recall, that two or three, but priority one and the most important priority one item that's not on there is the fire engine that's $1.3 million and has a 46 month lead time and you were currently planning on funding that with $350,000 annual contributions to the Equipment Replacement Reserve over,

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a four-year period. So I don't see how we ever would do that unless we were to take advantage

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of a program like this. Another question I got is, oh, you'd already answered if that

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was to analyze maintenance costs. The engine, you said the engine could be added and we could

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estimate that was 190,000 or so, which is fine. That makes perfect sense to me. I just want

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I'm going to push a little bit on the maintenance cost estimate for the backhoe.

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The backhoe is like 26 years and you said that the life cycle maintenance cost is $2,000,

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but it's in the shop with significant repairs in the past.

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Like I said, I think it does not, that's why I put the question plus question mark because

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I don't have the receipts for it, right?

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Okay, that's it.

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This is what we actually had documentation for, but I know there's been a lot more we just

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okay.

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All right, okay.

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That's all I have.

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Thank you.

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Councilmember Schmals.

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I'm

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going to kind of follow up on a couple of questions.

442
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:13,910
So I was looking at the budgets of what we've done in the past as far as investing in

443
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:22,850
equipment replacement and it really hasn't been very disciplined to pay for what these

444
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:25,150
priority one items are.

445
00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:29,330
So, I was kind of just kind of read, I think, I think, have the straight.

446
00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:33,470
In 2023, we put in zero.

447
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:42,290
2024, 270,000, and 25, and 26, 300 each, so that's 600,000.

448
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:49,390
So, I mean, to do the math about trying to purchase what you're asking for

449
00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:53,830
and what we're investing in to keep the policy is kind of,

450
00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:58,550
But to me is, I think we have some catching up to do

451
00:37:58,550 --> 00:38:01,230
as far as investing into the program.

452
00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:04,490
So do

453
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,200
you know,

454
00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:15,520
I mean, I really don't have,

455
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:19,840
I'm just kind of making some observations of what you guys

456
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,580
are feeling out there in the public works department

457
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:23,800
as far as getting equipment.

458
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,040
We're going to have to get it somehow.

459
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:42,780
So any idea where what you guys have been talking about as far as if we don't do a local program is just kind of put it in the shop and keep it running.

460
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:47,380
I think it's going to be very, very difficult to be able to purchase a new mower.

461
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:52,220
the backhoe we probably could keep running, but it's going to start having more and more

462
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:56,600
significant repairs and it's very old, but it's going to be very difficult to be able

463
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,300
to purchase those equipment, those pieces of equipment with kind of as you laid out

464
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:06,700
what we've gone in everywhere every year and that's for a long time, it's not been very consistent

465
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:10,080
right, so it's going to be, it's going to be difficult to be able to purchase those bigger

466
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:10,680
pieces of equipment.

467
00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:16,440
We've been good at replacing police cars and regular cars on a regular basis, but we're

468
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,480
getting to a point where like we try not to defer maintenance now I there's two

469
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,320
I'm just not going to spend the money on because it's not worth it but we we

470
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,660
have deferred purchases for a long time right it's nothing new and it's

471
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:35,840
catching up right and so looking forward even further than this list what do we

472
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,900
what are we talking about have you guys done any type of forecasting what you guys

473
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:50,180
We have a six-year plan, right, but it kind of has to roll backwards if we can't fund things.

474
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:56,220
So we keep deferring and extending life cycles year over year over year.

475
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,040
Okay, thank you.

476
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:00,700
Council Member Dixon.

477
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Yeah, let me go back.

478
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:11,220
So, if you, so a couple of quick questions, as far as the debt policy for the city, the

479
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:14,020
first item is that debt is not to be used for operating costs.

480
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,740
This is capital, right?

481
00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:19,420
This is capital expenses, this is not an operating cost, right?

482
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:19,900
Good capital.

483
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Yeah, okay.

484
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,900
And I know that the policy says that whenever possible the city will identify alternative

485
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,820
sources to minimize the use of debt financing.

486
00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:36,940
But this is this is to purchase capital the next item is that we do actually have a long-term general obligation debt as a city

487
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:44,840
Right and we use that to purchase the Rose Hill facility and I think that was I don't know 13 14 million dollars when it was originally issued and it was

488
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,860
Reef and has to refunding bond with 17 million dollars. I believe if I remember correctly and

489
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:59,790
My point is that we have issued long-term general obligation bonds in the past and we have

490
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:09,110
have in fact a significant amount of debt that we've taken on when we thought as a body

491
00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:16,130
that it was warranted for capital. And this is also capital. So I just want to make sure

492
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:25,910
that's understood. The last question is to Council Member Schmals' point, I've looked

493
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:32,130
that the priority 1, 2, 3, 6-year schedule that you guys have, could you help me to just

494
00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:39,290
envision if you were to go down this path? Currently, I think that was $300,000 or so annual

495
00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:47,070
expense for at least four years, layering in a few, you know, in the future for vehicle

496
00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:50,830
replacement setting aside the fire engine.

497
00:41:52,230 --> 00:42:01,490
Would you say $500,000 a year would satisfy the equipment replacement requirement if

498
00:42:01,490 --> 00:42:09,650
we were to utilize a local program as a mechanism to continually maintain the equipment replacement

499
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:14,870
needs, you know, these types of equipment going forward for the foreseeable future.

500
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:21,670
What is sort of a steady run rate I don't know if I can answer that without sitting down and really analyzing it

501
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:23,890
Okay, I think that would be helpful to understand

502
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:25,990
At least for me

503
00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:27,730
Thank you

504
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:29,530
Council President Jordan

505
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:35,070
Yeah, it's kind of reflecting on this and I wanted to share my thoughts it to me

506
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:42,370
It seems like the the biggest benefit is if we're going to do these between the four six and ten years is with with the ten years as you mentioned before

507
00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:49,250
And I think one of the things to consider in that is just the administrative effort that goes into setting up a local

508
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:57,930
loan. And another kind of benefit that I see is that if you can get money at under 5%, that's a pretty good deal.

509
00:42:58,250 --> 00:43:02,810
I wouldn't be surprised if equipment costs go up by more than 5% a year.

510
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:09,570
And then I'm asking myself and I ask you, but also do we really need this equipment?

511
00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:14,630
And coming into this, I was less certain that I am now.

512
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:18,270
It seems to me like in particular, like a lawnmower or the mowing machine.

513
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:23,510
It's pretty important for us to have to maintain our city looking the way we want it to look.

514
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:28,670
And then lastly, can we afford to do this without a local program?

515
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:33,530
And to me, it's, I'm kind of lean that the answer is no, but

516
00:43:34,070 --> 00:43:37,570
I'd be interested to hear what are the council members think on that point.

517
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:48,310
I'm looking at the interest rates, those set, those can be read, if the interest rates

518
00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:52,550
go down or can they be renegotiated or is that pretty much set.

519
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:57,030
Once, so that's a range that's in the amortization schedule, hi, hello.

520
00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:01,050
Once the bond is sold, the rate is set for the term of that bond.

521
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:07,190
So if it's 4%, it's 4%, prepaying does not do us any good.

522
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:12,210
We still have to pay the interest for the people that have the bond, right?

523
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:17,210
So it really doesn't do us any good and there is, I don't believe we can refinance it.

524
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:24,610
I thought maybe we could refinance real estate, but I know we can't refinance the equipment, thanks.

525
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:28,110
Any other questions?

526
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:30,330
Council Member Dixon.

527
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:32,350
I guess you'd ask what are thoughts.

528
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:35,330
I mean, this is sort of the question period, but you ask the question.

529
00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:38,350
And I think it makes all the sense in a world to go on this path.

530
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:42,430
I don't think there's an alternative because we haven't addressed the fire engine.

531
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:46,930
And I think back to the 2015 study for the fire department, and there were a number of items.

532
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:53,710
Some of these are included, even as Director Neenhouse suggested that we start with a 10 year schedule

533
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:54,650
and work our way back.

534
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:58,750
Well, the breathing apparatus for the fire department's on the four year schedule.

535
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:59,890
So if we do that.

536
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,080
That, unless we include that, we are going to be delisted or derated or whatever, as I understand it for next year. So there's a lot of critical equipment that's not funded unless we do this.

537
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:29,930
Can also member Harris. Yeah, it just want to add on if other council members are going to weigh in on the issue. Is like what equipment would you like to be used by a local programmer, which of this list would you like to see be used?

538
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:40,550
Thank you, Matt. I agreed with you that if we move forward the program, my personal

539
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:48,890
choice also was to go with the 10-year program. It does. It's less of a burden on the ERR fund,

540
00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:57,250
but I think that saying that we need to do everything isn't a good idea because that's

541
00:45:57,250 --> 00:46:01,670
That's a lot of money, and what other things are you going to cut to pay for this?

542
00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:03,450
Because you have to pay for this.

543
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:10,110
And when you have to pay for this, you have to look at what you're going to cut out of the budget to pay for this.

544
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:15,330
Because we don't have enough money to fund all of these things and not make a cut.

545
00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:21,910
So I would just like to know what you guys are willing to cut to pay for this program if you move forward with it.

546
00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:24,270
Council Member Emory.

547
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:25,530
Thank you, Mayor.

548
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:29,790
Those are good questions, actually.

549
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:37,350
And there's some potential answers to some of them by looking at the cash flow dynamic.

550
00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:44,550
So if we were to use our replacement fund as we had been using, we would spend that money

551
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:53,170
$840,000 of it would cover most of this, but that would be gone.

552
00:46:54,210 --> 00:47:01,750
If we use the locale program, the actual annual expenditure is far less, leaving us with

553
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:07,890
a balance in our equipment replacement fund that I presume would be put to use as being

554
00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:14,690
invest it, which could be turned almost exactly what the interest rate is if not better on the

555
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:22,630
bond. When we pay off any, one of these groups, we would, I would like to think we would

556
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:29,510
have the discipline and the capacity to continue to take the money we've been using for the

557
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:34,150
locale payments and put that back into the equipment replacement fund for the next round.

558
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:39,010
And that amount of money would not be necessarily very significant.

559
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:44,510
One of the advantages, one of the appeals of the locale program is we don't have to come

560
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:45,870
up with a lot of money all at once.

561
00:47:46,510 --> 00:47:47,610
We can spread it out over years.

562
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:54,490
So if you look at spreading out the expenses and not spending down the equipment replacement

563
00:47:54,490 --> 00:48:00,410
fund to begin with, which is what we've been doing, we have resources that we can invest.

564
00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:06,410
and when we pay off the reading effort of the other year and four years, we don't stop

565
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:11,390
making that payment, we pay it to ourselves so that when we need to renew it, we'll still

566
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:13,790
have some money in our equipment replacement fund.

567
00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:24,650
I think that helps me feel a little more comfortable with this concept because I otherwise am concerned

568
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:31,150
about going into debt, but I also think that at this point, we don't have a lot of choice,

569
00:48:31,410 --> 00:48:36,130
especially for some of this equipment. We have to buy it. We don't have enough resources at the

570
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:42,590
moment to do that. So, you know, I mean, I'm open to comments on questions on that concept,

571
00:48:42,590 --> 00:48:47,890
because I may have it wrong, but it seems like it works. It kind of works in the eastern

572
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:49,710
And what passes for my mind at this point?

573
00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:52,370
A council, a president, Turtle?

574
00:48:54,370 --> 00:48:59,670
Yeah, so, excuse me, I'll be a little redundant, but I'm kind of picking up on what other

575
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:00,390
people have said here.

576
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:06,430
You know, one, I would think it makes sense to focus on the moor and the backhoe, and

577
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:10,450
I would, you know, pay for that out of the equipment replacement money of a portion of that

578
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:12,070
that would otherwise go in there.

579
00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:17,130
And I think, I don't think we've discussed the fire truck enough yet at this point to have

580
00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:19,830
of emotion on that tonight, at least I wouldn't be comfortable doing that.

581
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:25,650
And then, you know, to me, it seems like, you know, another element of this, of course,

582
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:30,470
that we have been talking about a little bit as it commits us to spending $63,000 a year

583
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:31,290
for the next 10 years.

584
00:49:31,350 --> 00:49:38,390
And it takes flexibility away from the planners, whoever's making the budget in that given

585
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:38,690
year.

586
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:40,690
And there are pluses of minds to that.

587
00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:45,930
And here, I think that the pluses of having that discipline outweigh the minuses.

588
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:54,850
But then again, I wouldn't go too far into this because you don't want to commit all your money to being spent every year without any flexibility.

589
00:49:55,350 --> 00:50:01,870
But to me, it seems like at that level of half a million dollars, which amounts to $63,000 a year, that's pretty manageable.

590
00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:04,650
Council Member Dixon.

591
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:09,270
Yeah, no, I would build on Council Member Emery's point.

592
00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:11,570
I think you had it exactly correct, sir.

593
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:23,150
The only piece that at least my understanding of it, the only piece that I would slightly differ on is the $800,000 balance that we have in the Equipment Replacement Reserve.

594
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:24,910
If you spend some, you have to leave the same amount.

595
00:50:25,050 --> 00:50:28,170
You could only actually buy $400,000 worth of stuff, I think.

596
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:30,490
So I think you had it exactly right.

597
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:41,450
I think we've had a philosophical discussion about how to best cash fund our

598
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:46,990
equipment purchases and as we have seen over the years, that's really difficult to do.

599
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:55,250
The my understanding of the items on this list is these are not, the city actually goes

600
00:50:55,250 --> 00:51:01,590
through a very thorough prioritization process where they actually look at all of the equipment

601
00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:06,230
needs across the board and they prioritize them in priority item one, two, and three.

602
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:11,010
And these are the, these are some of the priority one items.

603
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:21,090
They're not all of them, and so I think that to not fund them would be a mistake.

604
00:51:21,830 --> 00:51:28,710
With respect to future challenges and tying, creating challenges for removing flexibility.

605
00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:35,290
In some ways, if you were going to do an equipment replacement reserve methodology,

606
00:51:35,290 --> 00:51:37,570
That is actually supposed to be the discipline.

607
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:47,250
If you go through these processes that we have as a city, you're supposed to have the discipline to fund the equipment replacement reserve based on your prioritized planning.

608
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:51,810
The challenge is that we have not done that because we have made trade-offs.

609
00:51:52,430 --> 00:52:04,050
And so in my view, actually the debt is the discipline we need because in the past we have not been able to impose that discipline on ourselves.

610
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:32,710
because the trade-offs have been challenging, and that's why the equipment replacement reserve is underfunded, and that's why there's so many of these critical pieces of equipment that are not purchased because we have unable to, and as Council Member Schmalz pointed out, there were some years where we transferred nothing into the equipment replacement reserve fund in spite of all of this process, and so in my view, actually, it's cheap money, like you had pointed out, it's under five percent, two and a half, three percent, four percent.

611
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:38,590
It's administered by the state through their Certificate of Participation Program statewide.

612
00:52:39,210 --> 00:52:42,730
So it doesn't really create much hardship for the staff.

613
00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:47,430
I think it's a gift and something that we should seriously consider.

614
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:51,750
And I can respect if we're not going to do the fire engine today, but

615
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:56,010
I really do think we need to look at that because as far as I understand it's critical equipment.

616
00:52:56,490 --> 00:52:59,470
It's the back up, we only have two, we don't have a third.

617
00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:05,690
So if something happens to one of the two that we have we don't have that one it's 23 years old

618
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:07,470
I think it's got a 10-year useful life

619
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:11,410
So if that's a that's an end and that would be

620
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:18,710
Tremendously difficult to fund in our current approach last point on that don't forget it has a 46-month lead time

621
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:26,110
So they don't start building that until we have we can give a deposit of at least half of that $1.3 million or something like that

622
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:33,690
So feasibly, you're looking at six, seven, eight years out in the future is when we could, if we were to do it today is when we would get it.

623
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:40,950
So, I mean, you're delaying it, something that's 23 years old, you're pushing, you're making that a 30 something year old decision.

624
00:53:41,290 --> 00:53:44,210
So, I would hope that we could revisit that soon.

625
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,000
Council Member Vaga.

626
00:53:49,360 --> 00:54:03,940
I think that you were kind of touching on my point, Council Member Dixon, that we haven't been always replacing that money in the Equipment Replacement Fund, and there's reasons for that.

627
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:16,040
What are those reasons? We need to identify those reasons because those reasons will be the cuts that we're going to make if we adopt this program and are forced to pay for this program.

628
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:22,640
I don't really believe in the force discipline, without actually knowing what you're going to cut out of the budget to pay for this.

629
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,960
And also, we're going into some challenging times.

630
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,400
It doesn't seem like a good time to take on debt.

631
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:39,520
I certainly would not take on debt if I was having financial difficulties in my own budget.

632
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:44,120
I don't think it's a good idea for the city either to get into a debt cycle.

633
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:52,180
And when we could potentially look at our budget and say, okay, what are we going to cut to pay for these items?

634
00:54:53,220 --> 00:55:00,180
And then, you know, before we even know what they are, go into debt and say, well now we have to pay for it.

635
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,280
Because what are you going to do? Are you going to cut staff? Because if you cut staff, who's going to use the lawnmower?

636
00:55:05,740 --> 00:55:06,640
Is what I want to know?

637
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:09,230
That's it.

638
00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:10,770
Council Member Harris.

639
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:14,210
Yeah, we didn't really discuss this.

640
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:16,070
I think this is exhibit two.

641
00:55:18,330 --> 00:55:28,130
I was wondering if you can obviously these are the terms and the percentages and stuff, but I'm wondering if you could just like do a quick run through of it just to clarify for residents.

642
00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:32,130
Yeah, so I just did a kind of synopsis in the PowerPoint.

643
00:55:32,130 --> 00:55:39,890
point. And so we have four and six year term, these are amortization schedules. So we have

644
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:44,630
the payment dates. So one date is paying principle, one date is paying interest, so twice

645
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:51,030
a year, that's just like a traditional bond. And then one is kind of what they anticipate

646
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:56,510
to be their current interest rate, if you're paying those, there you go, if it's two. And then

647
00:55:56,510 --> 00:56:01,290
the other line is kind of that pessimistic scenario. It's a little higher. And so most likely

648
00:56:01,290 --> 00:56:06,050
we will fall somewhere in there hopefully you know on the lower side so that is the actual

649
00:56:06,050 --> 00:56:12,910
amortization payment schedule for the 10, 6 and 4 year term based on these numbers in here.

650
00:56:12,910 --> 00:56:17,990
Now this will change if we prioritize you know maybe only buy a few of them out of the six year

651
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:21,910
you know that'll change and that we'll come back to council with that later on if that's kind of

652
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:27,230
the decision they make so this is the best that the treasury could get us based on these current

653
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:34,330
numbers. Okay so okay so that's very helpful. So are these numbers based on the higher of the two

654
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:42,690
percentages? I have both so okay I'm sorry so the 2.89 is the well I'm looking at the six-year

655
00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:49,090
term the debt service current interest is for 2.89 and the pessimistic scenario is for 3.8 okay got

656
00:56:49,090 --> 00:56:52,490
Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Thank you.

657
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:53,810
Okay, Councilmember Schmals.

658
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:58,900
Hey, Matt, so just looking at,

659
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,980
if we funded

660
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,420
all of these, for example, if we did all

661
00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:26,320
the different four, six and ten-year program, the payment would be between 300 and what would

662
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:34,920
that payment fee for people 300,000 a year. Is that about right? Between three and it kind

663
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,900
of goes up every year.

664
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:44,540
Yeah, a little over 300,000 a year. Okay. 300,000 a year. Okay. I'm

665
00:57:44,540 --> 00:57:51,480
just making sure I understand how this is working. And so the four year and the six year and

666
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:58,200
10-year are different equipment that can be leased by the program.

667
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,740
Those are the limitations of how much they can be leased on.

668
00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:05,620
Those are based on the useful life of the vehicle or equipment.

669
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,560
The financing terms have to be less than that.

670
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:13,620
And the treasure is very specific on what you're buying and the terms.

671
00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:18,040
And so, they have, I mean, it's a list that's very detailed.

672
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:19,940
And so, you know, for instance.

673
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:33,540
So we could literally do for, yeah, we could, okay, be 300,000 and then we get to four years and obviously that would fall off right.

674
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:34,860
Okay, great, thanks.

675
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,200
Councilor Antikson.

676
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,320
Yeah, but then you'd have to buy it again, right?

677
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:41,840
It would fall off but you'd buy the-

678
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,980
No, you usually would have a year or two or whatever, but yes.

679
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:52,080
So that's why I was saying maybe three to 500 is probably an annual realistic operational cost for

680
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:58,380
running this program to use it to fully fund all of our critical capital equipment.

681
00:58:59,420 --> 00:59:04,640
That in my mind that's kind of how I think of it and just wanted to remember what Council Member Emery was pointing out,

682
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:12,580
which is the $840,000 or so in the equipment replacement reserve could easily pay for

683
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:20,000
or one, two and a half, maybe three years of the payments that are required.

684
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:27,700
And in fact, since you're only paying 300 a year, you would still be earning interest on that.

685
00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:34,540
And it's probably comparable to the two and a half, three percent annualized debt service that you're paying.

686
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:40,800
So there is probably enough money in the equipment replacement reserve to pay the debt service for

687
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,220
a few years without having to lay off anybody or make any other cuts.

688
00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:47,000
The money is actually there in the equipment replacement reserve.

689
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:51,500
So from a cash flow standpoint, if we utilize that to pay the debt service, it's actually

690
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:51,960
a win-win.

691
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,380
I think that was Councilmember Emory's point, and I think it's a great way to look at it is

692
00:59:57,380 --> 00:59:59,880
if we use the equipment replacement.

693
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,520
Fund to simply cash fund in the prior way that we were doing it, it's less efficient, but if we use that money to pay the debt service, it's really efficient because it would pay for three years of debt service almost without ever doing anything, without changing anything, laying off anybody, firing anybody, making a single cut, we have the money there to pay for three years of this, and surely we'll be able to put another 100 or 200 a year into it and continue it all in perpetuity.

694
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,610
Council Member Vado.

695
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:38,190
I'd like to also note that the interest rate is one thing, but there's also additional

696
01:00:38,190 --> 01:00:39,710
fees attached to this money.

697
01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:48,210
And when you look at it from a perspective of adding in the fees, the four-year program

698
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:56,950
equals about 8 or 11% of total money that we're putting that it's costing us about 8 or 11%

699
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:59,490
If you include the fees in that, if I'm correct.

700
01:01:02,290 --> 01:01:06,530
I'm unclear of what fees you are referring to if you were asking me that question.

701
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,820
Let me turn yours back on, there you go.

702
01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:12,720
Sorry, I turn my button off all the time.

703
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:18,260
There's also fees associated with this correct, it's not just straight interest.

704
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,100
There's also additional fees attached to this.

705
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:26,900
All of the fees are built into the interest rate that we are charged.

706
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Okay, then I misunderstood that.

707
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:34,060
As far as what we have been talking to, talking to them, we do not get additional fees.

708
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:36,280
We have to pay the interest, but-

709
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:41,280
So the interest and this bottom line includes all the administrative fees that are included.

710
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,200
They all roll up into the interest rate.

711
01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:44,040
Okay.

712
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:44,520
I'm misunderstood.

713
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:47,660
Sorry about that if I made the unclear at any time.

714
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:50,900
Councillor Harris.

715
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Oh.

716
01:01:53,340 --> 01:01:53,600
Yeah.

717
01:01:53,600 --> 01:02:01,820
Yeah, well, I just wanted to respond kind of to the point about the added runway we would

718
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:06,480
be giving the city over the next three or so years because of our equipment replacement.

719
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:14,400
Like we should have either a clear idea of what revenues going to meet that need in that,

720
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:18,700
you know, at the end of that time span or where the cut's going to come from.

721
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:36,460
And so, like, that's why I'm pretty significantly just sticking with the fire department needs with the lifesaving apparatuses because those are things that have an immediate impact on people's lives that is very important.

722
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:46,480
We still have lots of discussion to have about the budget, the financial, long range financial plan and the like.

723
01:02:46,480 --> 01:03:02,920
And so, like, I'm, I don't really, there's just, there's some things out of sync for me and also it just feels like there's a lot of equipment here that we can roll up in this without a very clear picture of what our future is going to look like.

724
01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:13,780
And so, so yeah, that's why I'm saying yes to the, to the fire department equipment. Now we could have this discussion again later about other equipment or other needs.

725
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:20,560
But, and I'm not, you know, I just, that's my individual opinion and something that I think we should weigh.

726
01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:24,360
Council Member Emory. Thank you.

727
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,960
Thinking about this in the casual dynamic and the future, it's possible that we will also have

728
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:37,380
some additional revenue to work with to build up or protect the equipment replacement fund.

729
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:44,900
And so I find that concept encouraging, although I have no idea what the money might be.

730
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,460
But I am also want to be,

731
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,860
I want to express my concern about just becoming a permanent

732
01:03:53,860 --> 01:03:54,520
policy.

733
01:03:55,620 --> 01:04:01,340
I see this as something that we could use at the moment because we really don't know where

734
01:04:01,340 --> 01:04:03,960
it will be in six months or a year in terms of revenue.

735
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:11,720
You know, and I think it would be who we what we can to save our resources now and not

736
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:19,500
go out and out and pay for things and go and do the alone route because that helps

737
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:23,680
us protect our resources for if we need it for something else.

738
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:31,060
But we also have to be prepared to begin to figure out how to get out of this process once

739
01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:41,780
we started. I don't think this is a long-term functional way to deal with our equipment replacement

740
01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:48,280
fund because there's a whole lot of money that we have to be maintained here or built

741
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:55,380
up or reserved in order to do that. So I think if we do have extra revenue we can look at that

742
01:04:55,380 --> 01:05:03,780
That is a way to protect the equipment replacement fund and to build a plan to use the local

743
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:06,840
program for a while and then stop using it.

744
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:10,450
Councillor Schmals.

745
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:13,450
Thank you.

746
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:20,230
I probably wanted to start getting the public some comment on, but I'll just say, just kind

747
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:21,530
of listen to the conversation.

748
01:05:22,210 --> 01:05:25,790
It sounds like there's some council members that don't even have the confidence that we're

749
01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:32,570
We've been going to fund our own equipment replacement fund each year, not to mention just

750
01:05:32,570 --> 01:05:36,790
the small amount to pay a yearly payment.

751
01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:47,270
So I'm kind of listening to that and saying, okay, well, if we can't, if we're having problems

752
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:54,950
or questions about funding, just our payments for each year for this equipment, what means

753
01:05:54,950 --> 01:06:04,270
said we're going to have a whole lot of confidence to fund it, the whole paying cash down the rail when we really need to do it.

754
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:11,990
So I'd rather have that conversation about making, being able to afford the payments than just the whole thing.

755
01:06:12,190 --> 01:06:13,130
I would love to have cash.

756
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:23,750
If you look at the old equipment replacement funds from 2022, it had $4 million, $21, $4 million, then it just dwindled down because we never really invested it.

757
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:27,190
but we did that, but we just don't have the money.

758
01:06:27,310 --> 01:06:30,930
We're running a $4.6 million deficit in our budget.

759
01:06:31,310 --> 01:06:34,130
We have not much revenue coming in to fund it,

760
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:36,550
but maybe what we could do is part,

761
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:39,710
if we do this program, is that we put a resolution together

762
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:42,430
and say we're disciplined, we're going to fund it at least 350

763
01:06:42,430 --> 01:06:46,130
or whatever that payment is, we put it in

764
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:48,910
into each year to make that payment.

765
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:51,550
So there's a lot of things we can do for it,

766
01:06:51,550 --> 01:06:53,710
but I just don't hear a whole lot of confidence

767
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:57,730
in the council funding any equipment replacement at this point.

768
01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:58,430
Thank you.

769
01:06:59,650 --> 01:07:00,670
Council member Moon.

770
01:07:03,660 --> 01:07:04,300
Thank you.

771
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:07,660
I've been listening and I've been in the middle

772
01:07:07,660 --> 01:07:09,940
because I know the local programs good.

773
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:11,060
The interest rate's great.

774
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:14,520
We're working with the state to get money if we need it.

775
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:20,280
But discipline is not supposed to be something nice.

776
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,480
Discipline, when you discipline something or someone, it hurts.

777
01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:30,520
And I think the best way to discipline ourselves is perhaps not fully utilizing the local program.

778
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:33,620
I think that will force us to be more disciplined.

779
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:40,960
Yes, I think local program has benefits, but the question is will we be disciplined with the local program?

780
01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:45,840
I don't know, and I think that's where I'm at, is I don't know, like council member Emmey said.

781
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,320
I don't want it to be a long term thing.

782
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,860
If we do use it, I want to make sure it's temporary, and that we get back on being quote unquote disciplined.

783
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:58,480
But I think the best way to discipline ourselves is to not use the program.

784
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:05,280
I think it all hurts, but there are probably other ways to fund the equipment that we need.

785
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,200
But again, I think I'm still in the middle.

786
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:16,480
I don't know what will be the best for the city, but my personal mindset is I don't like that.

787
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:22,120
And I want to discipline myself to make sure it doesn't happen again and to pay it off in other ways

788
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:29,020
Then getting into debt. So that's kind of where I'm asked, but I'm again. I'm open to more conversation

789
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:32,420
Councilmember Emory

790
01:08:32,420 --> 01:08:40,600
We'll speak briefly to pass budgets and the failure to fully fund the equipment placement fund. We

791
01:08:41,860 --> 01:08:44,200
It's not a discussion to just what happens

792
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:48,940
organizations find that they're having a revenue problem.

793
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:58,360
They focus on keeping the business or function running with personnel and find the equipment

794
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:03,480
or capital projects and have to pay catch up, pay catch up at some time in the future.

795
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:08,660
That's what we've done, other communities have done that, businesses do that, some of us

796
01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:09,980
do that with our home budgets.

797
01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:13,400
You know, we really can't afford to replace the roof this year.

798
01:09:13,580 --> 01:09:15,100
We have to wait a couple of years to do it.

799
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,000
I guess we have other things that we need to do.

800
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:24,320
So there's nothing wrong with doing that.

801
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,600
It's just what we do because it's the least worst option

802
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,060
when it comes around.

803
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:33,600
And now we find ourselves in a spot where, again,

804
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:36,740
we may have the revenue to be more comfortable in funding

805
01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:39,920
all the things that we should be responsible in funding.

806
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:46,340
So again, this is to stop, get a measure for a couple of years until we can figure out

807
01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:52,760
how to really be disciplined and maybe have the revenue, then I have to be in this position

808
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,060
again.

809
01:09:53,620 --> 01:09:53,840
Thank you.

810
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,380
Council Member Dixon.

811
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:04,700
Director Neenhouse, when you were researching this, did you get a sense from the state how

812
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:10,860
How many other cities use this and how they go about their capital equipment procurement?

813
01:10:11,180 --> 01:10:13,840
I have not been actually the one talking to the state.

814
01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:16,500
I don't know how many other municipalities use it.

815
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,280
They continue to offer it so I'm assuming that.

816
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:20,780
Okay.

817
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,100
So we see that I do not have that kind of information now.

818
01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:31,480
And I guess, you know, Councilmember Van Gogh actually asks a very good question and the

819
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:37,420
The question is, while we can philosophically debate on whether it's 10, 50, or 100%.

820
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:43,100
The bigger question is, what do we do with what we don't fund?

821
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:45,760
Because the things on that list are critical.

822
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:52,240
I haven't heard what we're going to do if we don't buy the fire equipment, the breathing

823
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:52,620
apparatus.

824
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,140
If we don't do this, where do we get the money from?

825
01:10:56,380 --> 01:11:00,560
I guess it's going to come from the equipment replacement reserve because that's all it

826
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:06,140
purchase. What are we going to do about those other vehicles? How are we going to actually

827
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:13,260
do that? We are. We don't. The only thing that as as Director Neenhouse mentioned, the

828
01:11:13,260 --> 01:11:20,380
only thing in the 26 equipment budget is the two interceptor vehicles, which are 92,500 each.

829
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:25,660
We did not have the breathing apparatus included. We would have to purchase it in some way,

830
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:34,340
shape reform. So I think that's the bigger question if philosophically to answer is, in my

831
01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:40,520
mind, I would go 100% obviously, but that's fine if you disagree, but I guess the question

832
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:45,160
back to you would be kind of a dovetailing on Councilmember Bagel's question is if you

833
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,220
don't use this approach, how are you going to buy the equipment?

834
01:11:53,880 --> 01:12:09,040
I have to say, philosophically, I'm a little uncomfortable with this because it is a bond and normally our bonds are put forward to the residents because it's a big debt that we're taking on and they should have a say in it.

835
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:17,700
So from that perspective, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that this is a bond that's not going to go to the residents for a vote.

836
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:20,520
Council Member Jackson.

837
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,780
Yeah, that's a good point.

838
01:12:22,900 --> 01:12:25,660
It's not really, but it is analogous.

839
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,540
But I mean, it's not really, and I know you understand a difference, but it's a good point.

840
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,660
I think that this is a lease, you know, and it is the way to think of it.

841
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,460
A certificate of precipitation is a lease vehicle that the state is issuing.

842
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,100
We're able to purchase the equipment through it.

843
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:49,940
And you're right that it is signing up for a fixed, you know, fixed obligation.

844
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:57,480
And so it looks like debt, but it is not incurring the full faith and credit of the city.

845
01:12:57,900 --> 01:12:59,740
We're not levying taxes to do it.

846
01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:11,080
We're not creating a revenue bond where we create a road or something and we're going to prove that we have enough operating cash flow to support that with that service coverage and do a rating.

847
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:16,800
So it is an operating, it looks like a lease, it's essentially it's a capital lease.

848
01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:20,940
And if we were to lease a copier, we don't ask the city to, we don't ask the residents

849
01:13:20,940 --> 01:13:25,140
to vote on that, it's, so it looks like it, but it is different.

850
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:25,920
In my view.

851
01:13:28,590 --> 01:13:29,450
Councillor Schmals.

852
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:34,310
You know, just remind the council and the public that Rose Hill

853
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:39,290
bonds were not voted by the public if there were councilmanic bonds issued by the council

854
01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:41,410
that made the decision to

855
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:49,260
create $18 million worth of debt, which we're still paying off today.

856
01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:49,820
Thank you.

857
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:53,060
All right.

858
01:13:53,860 --> 01:13:54,960
We've got a loan here.

859
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,080
Thank you, Director Nenel.

860
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,180
So when we go to the public, I have at least one name on this Mr. Tony Dammock.

861
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:13,560
Tony Dammock, Michael Tio, first I'd like to start out with debt is never the discipline any

862
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,260
fiscal wise person needs.

863
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:20,320
Fundamentally, I'm opposed to using debt to purchase equipment like those listed in the

864
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,640
agenda bill attached, since they are items that are not new, they are replacements and

865
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:31,040
have known life cycles. A long-range financial plan should have taken this into account,

866
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:36,520
and budgets over the years should have set aside funds. Now the council is wanting to strap

867
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:42,220
citizens with debt without their explicit consent. This is fundamentally wrong. The Rosehill

868
01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:47,860
bonds, and I'll be corrected if I find otherwise Mr. Smolt said, the people got to vote, and

869
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:51,320
And there is a defined dedicated revenue source for those bonds.

870
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:56,420
The local program is a process which two conveniently side steps the voters and creates

871
01:14:56,420 --> 01:14:59,980
bond type obligations without a dedicated revocute...

872
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,160
Revenue source like REIT. Local will potentially force the taxpayers into future tax increases to avoid default or could shortchange other essential services if general fund general revenues run out. REIT cannot support both local and Rose Hill for the short term. Also REIT funds should not be dedicated should be dedicated to bigger capital infrastructure projects like waterfront development and not for replacing equipment.

873
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:33,000
Next, local is likely to start a debt treadmill.

874
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,380
The council needs to stop side-stepping the main issue.

875
01:15:36,580 --> 01:15:39,640
The EER has not been adequately funded.

876
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,040
Revenue has not kept up with the 20% inflation since 2020.

877
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:48,940
And now collective bargaining agreements are adjusting salaries higher due to cost of living.

878
01:15:49,460 --> 01:15:53,480
The 1% property tax and sales tax revenue increases have not kept up.

879
01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:59,820
EMS Levy Lidliff is the first step in adjusting the revenue side of the budget, but this local

880
01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:01,840
program is band-aiding the main issue.

881
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,960
It is kicking the can down the road and increasing the expense side of the budget.

882
01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:12,300
There should also be a break-even analysis showing local is improving the city's financial

883
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:16,380
condition, but all I see is the city getting the equipment it says it needs.

884
01:16:17,020 --> 01:16:20,660
There is nothing here to say the city is better off financially in the long term.

885
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:24,120
Here are some other shortcomings in the attachments.

886
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,780
Maintenance costs are shown as justification,

887
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,600
but the life cycle costs do these life cycle costs include routine maintenance

888
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,960
like oil changes that new trucks will also need.

889
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,160
Shouldn't the truck purchases be spread out by years?

890
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,240
Why purchase three trucks all at once?

891
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:42,220
And just like a spin-thrift husband,

892
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,400
this agenda bill shows replacing a practical SUV with a sports car.

893
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:55,760
Why not an escape plug-in hybrid that cost about 45K, or even better a gasoline model that costs in the mid-30s?

894
01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:59,440
Instead, they want to purchase a 56K sports car.

895
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:02,180
The same goes for the planning department vehicle.

896
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:06,040
Why a sports car and not a more practical SUV or passenger car?

897
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:12,520
To summarize, this local program is simply strapping the taxpayers with too much debt and too much cost

898
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,680
without a long-term revenue plan and the tax payers have no say.

899
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:17,480
Thank you.

900
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,500
Thank you, Mr. Damoff, online, and a loan of end user.

901
01:17:30,430 --> 01:17:31,670
I think you can hear me now.

902
01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:32,130
Yep.

903
01:17:33,090 --> 01:17:33,270
All right.

904
01:17:34,610 --> 01:17:39,050
As Councilmember Vago pointed out, I too would really like to have more of a discussion

905
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:45,310
of what cuts may possibly need to be enforced if we take on the local program.

906
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:50,530
And one question that you may have answered or the long-range financial planning committee

907
01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:55,890
may have addressed this and I just fail to understand. But why do we have to fund the

908
01:17:55,890 --> 01:18:03,670
ERR as we do? Dollar spent is a dollar kept. Could we potentially look at a dollar spent

909
01:18:03,670 --> 01:18:11,150
as a dollar spent and we could bring this down to zero? I understand we have the $847,000

910
01:18:11,150 --> 01:18:17,230
in there. I am more in favor of using that money to buy the priority one equipment that

911
01:18:17,230 --> 01:18:27,590
we need now and then discipline ourselves into, as Tony stated, funding that and at a regular

912
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:33,090
cycle and build that into any future budgets. But again, I'd like to better understand if there's

913
01:18:33,090 --> 01:18:40,650
the possibility of changing that to be a fund that we could zero out. And then as far as the engine,

914
01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:56,870
the fire engine. I agree it needs to be replaced. However, in my opinion, that discussion needs to occur, or that decision needs to occur once we've made a decision on whether we go RFA or not, I am not in favor of

915
01:18:56,870 --> 01:19:02,890
of children that debt for 10 years if the engine then goes to a South County fire.

916
01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:06,830
So that is something I certainly hope you don't vote on this evening.

917
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:07,650
Thank you.

918
01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:09,250
All right. Thank you, Ms. Venduser.

919
01:19:09,890 --> 01:19:10,890
Is there anybody else in the room?

920
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:12,130
Sharon Dammell.

921
01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:21,850
Thank you. Sharon Dammell, Michael Tio, I just jotted down some things here and some of it.

922
01:19:21,950 --> 01:19:27,070
Alona just said, fire engine should not buy until the RFA question is settled.

923
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:30,310
Just for the reason she said, we shouldn't take on that debt if it's just going to go away.

924
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:33,990
I totally agree with considering what will be cut.

925
01:19:34,270 --> 01:19:38,870
It's best to think about that before you commit to taking on the debt instead of committing

926
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:41,590
to the debt and then saying, okay, now what will we cut?

927
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:44,510
It sounds like we really need the mower.

928
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:52,430
The one point that makes me think this might be okay in a limited way is that inflation might

929
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:58,900
make future costs higher, though inflation has recently cooled dramatically from what it

930
01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:06,300
the last four years. As Tony mentioned, it was 20% from 2020 to 2023. Once you get on the debt treadmill,

931
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:11,660
it's hard to get off. I appreciate hearing council members say we need a way to exit.

932
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:19,080
debt is the millstone around your neck. It's not a good thing to do. The equipment reserve policy

933
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:25,600
is a policy that could be reviewed. So maybe I wouldn't go as far as alone and say take it down

934
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,480
on the zero, but it is a policy that you could review

935
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,320
and say we will spend some of that

936
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,940
rather than incurring debt.

937
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,580
So I realize those were a little bit,

938
01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:36,720
back and forth kind of mixed comments

939
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,860
much like how council member Moon said he sees this,

940
01:20:39,980 --> 01:20:41,000
but he also sees that.

941
01:20:41,260 --> 01:20:43,960
I'm the same way, the one positive thing is that

942
01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:47,160
if inflation made it reasonable,

943
01:20:47,340 --> 01:20:48,480
and it is a low interest rate,

944
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,040
but in general debt is bad,

945
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:51,300
don't buy things on credit.

946
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:52,500
Okay, thanks.

947
01:20:52,940 --> 01:20:53,580
Thank you, Ms. Timoff.

948
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:55,780
Is anybody else in the room or online?

949
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:03,260
All right, Councilor, we're back at you.

950
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,160
Councilor President Chordell.

951
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,160
Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to use local for the 10-year items.

952
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:14,460
All right.

953
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,180
We have a motion by Councilor President Chordell.

954
01:21:16,340 --> 01:21:16,820
This is for a second.

955
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,440
All right.

956
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:19,680
Second by Councilor Member Emory.

957
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:20,960
Councilor Chordell.

958
01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:22,280
Councilor President Chordell.

959
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:22,560
Yeah.

960
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:23,460
Yeah.

961
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:25,000
And just my thoughts on this.

962
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,960
You know, one, do we need this equipment?

963
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,840
And I think we've been convinced from what I've heard the answer is yes.

964
01:21:32,020 --> 01:21:33,960
Secondly, are there other ways to pay for this?

965
01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:37,880
And I think the answer is no.

966
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,860
And therefore, I think that's why I think it makes sense to use local.

967
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,160
And you could argue, well, yeah, there are always other, you can cut something to pay for it.

968
01:21:48,340 --> 01:21:50,560
But I don't think that that's likely to happen.

969
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,420
And third, is this a good value to use local?

970
01:21:54,420 --> 01:22:00,940
I think that's a very important point and I think it is between a fair interest rate and

971
01:22:01,580 --> 01:22:03,260
inflation that we're going to encounter otherwise.

972
01:22:03,940 --> 01:22:04,420
Fourth,

973
01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:11,600
people bring up about this imposing discipline and is this forever?

974
01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:17,860
And I think those things are linked and yeah, I think it's the second best option that we

975
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:18,020
have.

976
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:22,020
The first one would be if you had the money and you saved it and you had this great discipline

977
01:22:22,540 --> 01:22:28,160
I just don't think that's reality in our case, and therefore I think this is a good way to get some additional discipline.

978
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:33,140
And to me, I think there's some people are concerned that, yeah, this is going to go on forever.

979
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:40,800
And to me, if every 10 years we use it to buy a new mower and back over every 20 years, to me that's okay.

980
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,220
And I don't really have a concern with it being forever.

981
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:49,580
I think if you're, if you disagree with all those points strongly, then I would say don't support it.

982
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:53,240
But, yeah, those are my reasons for thinking this is a good idea.

983
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:59,200
I also wanted to say that the Fire Department equipment that we're really going to need,

984
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,520
I think that we're one of the reasons we're going to have an EMS levee just to pay for those things.

985
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,780
And I also do think that we should review our equipment replacement policy.

986
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:14,040
And I think that would be a good item for the long range financial planning committee to work on.

987
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:14,980
Thanks.

988
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:43,080
I would agree with the motion to go with the 10 year, but only if we were going to limit it to that one program this one time, and see what this program is like going forward, just kind of put our foot in the water as it were, and see if it actually works out for us that I would like to make an amendment to do that.

989
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,040
And

990
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:56,390
right now the motion is just for the tenure items, the two tenure items, so unless somebody does an amendment to the motion to, because I think from your comments, you were saying you support.

991
01:23:59,770 --> 01:24:05,750
Well, I'm just making sure that I understand you want it to be just for the tenure items.

992
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:15,430
Yes, and for the one time for this one program, this one time that we can't go back into the future or

993
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:19,710
go forward in the future and buy additional items on a 10-year program.

994
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:24,530
And I understand I don't that would almost be tying future councils.

995
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:33,750
Yeah, you can do that, but I think you have 95% of what you want in the main motion, which

996
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:39,690
is on the 10 years items unless somebody amends it to include more than you can adjust your

997
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:40,190
vote accordingly.

998
01:24:40,190 --> 01:24:40,890
I assume.

999
01:24:41,150 --> 01:24:41,370
Okay.

1000
01:24:41,370 --> 01:24:48,230
Okay. Council member Emory. Oh, you all just for the second.

1001
01:24:48,430 --> 01:24:51,790
You were the second second. Okay. Council member Dixon.

1002
01:24:52,950 --> 01:25:00,750
How will we, so the EMS Levy lid lift, if it's successful, we would utilize that to fund

1003
01:25:00,750 --> 01:25:06,970
the bunker gears at your thought. So then the $1.7 million that we were, that we might

1004
01:25:06,970 --> 01:25:14,010
raise, which would reduce the general fund reliance by $1.7 million. You're going to, right,

1005
01:25:14,210 --> 01:25:19,370
isn't that the idea? It would transfer. So if we raise the EMS levy, we don't have to take

1006
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:27,810
the 1.7 million from the general fund to transfer into the EMS fund. But if we reduce that 1.7 by

1007
01:25:27,810 --> 01:25:37,810
400,000, 450,000. We have 1.2-ish to transfer to it. Okay. And then how exactly would we

1008
01:25:37,810 --> 01:25:38,950
fund the other equipment?

1009
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,380
So the question you've been in particular,

1010
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:57,720
just the 367,000 and the 190,000 of fire equipment. What are your thoughts on that,

1011
01:25:57,820 --> 01:26:01,200
Council President? I guess. Hold on a second. There's no work

1012
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:07,160
So we can't just go back and forth and but Councilor Addiction, are you good for now, okay?

1013
01:26:10,810 --> 01:26:14,850
Your mic's not on is the issue. Councilor Addiction, do you want to continue?

1014
01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:20,850
So yeah, let me be succinct. I appreciate that. Thank you mayor. If we go down this path without amending the motion

1015
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:23,770
How do you propose funding the remaining equipment?

1016
01:26:24,190 --> 01:26:24,430
I

1017
01:26:26,610 --> 01:26:33,770
think you wanted to answer Council President Jordan. Yeah, on the funcord you're in breathing apparatus. I think that

1018
01:26:34,690 --> 01:26:47,830
All right, is that, well, my thought is that that was the EMS levee would cover those items, and so that would, you know, that way you wouldn't be able to say that 1.7 million from the General Fund be because you used 450,000 for those items.

1019
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:54,470
And then on the police cars, I guess my, I need to think this through a little bit more, but I don't have an answer to that.

1020
01:26:54,610 --> 01:27:00,790
I guess you've run the ones you have longer, but there probably needs to be more thought put into it than just that.

1021
01:27:00,790 --> 01:27:04,280
Council member Schmultz?

1022
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:09,510
I think about this a minute.

1023
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:15,230
So are we not going to invest any more money into the Equipment Replacement Fund?

1024
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:19,330
I mean, it sounds like that's kind of the kind of where we're heading.

1025
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:26,050
Because last in the budget that was passed just recently,

1026
01:27:26,370 --> 01:27:32,550
we invested $300,000 in 25, $300,000 in 26.

1027
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:36,870
that would have covered the payment for all of this equipment here.

1028
01:27:37,210 --> 01:27:37,950
That would have covered it all.

1029
01:27:38,610 --> 01:27:44,450
So people are saying, well, we've got to be disciplined, we've got to make cuts.

1030
01:27:44,670 --> 01:27:45,390
We've got to make cuts.

1031
01:27:45,530 --> 01:27:48,110
Well, we invested in 300,000.

1032
01:27:48,110 --> 01:27:53,590
We invested into the payment of all of this equipment in both years.

1033
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:59,170
So really what this is saying is if we want to invest, continue to invest,

1034
01:27:59,170 --> 01:28:06,390
a $300,000 from the general fund into the Equipment Replacement Fund to fund all of this

1035
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:18,090
equipment. I think that's more easily attainable than trying to fund $1.2 million. I'm trying

1036
01:28:18,090 --> 01:28:22,490
to fund it with cash. It's just not going to, we just don't, we just don't can't do that.

1037
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:31,230
So when I hear just the 10 year, I'm like, okay, but why not look at the other equipment as well?

1038
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:33,250
That would be probably a,

1039
01:28:36,570 --> 01:28:42,590
it seems folks are kind of like saying, well, we don't want to fund,

1040
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:47,670
we don't want to fund our equipment replacement, but we're going to have to, because we're going

1041
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:51,890
to have to pay for equipment that's going to be coming down the line in the future.

1042
01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:57,630
So this is just not a list of just now, we're going to have to fund it in 27, 28, 29,

1043
01:28:57,850 --> 01:28:58,510
all of that.

1044
01:28:58,690 --> 01:29:00,230
So we're going to have to invest into it anyway.

1045
01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:06,710
So I'm not sure what the argument is is that people don't want to carry on debt.

1046
01:29:07,330 --> 01:29:11,570
We might just have to because we don't have the money to buy this in cash.

1047
01:29:12,270 --> 01:29:14,770
And people say, well, we want to keep things going.

1048
01:29:15,710 --> 01:29:20,910
Well, as Matt said, I mean, this is no longer operational, you know, I mean, police cars

1049
01:29:20,910 --> 01:29:29,330
far as go. I mean we just have to be kind of realistic in all this. As far as the kind

1050
01:29:29,330 --> 01:29:34,070
of sidelines and this comment about debt and I will guess I'll make the comment afterwards

1051
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:44,870
about Rose Hill. We had to make adjustments for funding Rose Hill to fund our streets and

1052
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:51,050
another capital because we dedicated RE-1 to Rosehill payments because we didn't have

1053
01:29:51,050 --> 01:29:55,210
enough money in the fund money coming in to pay for it.

1054
01:29:55,210 --> 01:29:58,550
So, I mean, that, you know,

1055
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,480
Hold, you know, tie our hands up on a lot of capital projects because of that. So that was a commitment, a 20-year commitment. So we have acquired debt. We've acquired a lot of debt. And it's kind of funny that folks are talking about not don't want to acquire debt. We have debt. And it's really cost us dearly. And then we had actually had to go to the transportation benefit district, the .1% sales tax to pay for roads. And that was going to be paid by RE-1.

1056
01:30:29,480 --> 01:30:33,060
but we couldn't do that because we dedicated that to pay for Rose Hill.

1057
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:42,060
So all of that, I understand, but this seems to be kind of a low interest rate, kind of a way to,

1058
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,220
I don't know, I guess I'll make the amendment.

1059
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:58,360
I'll say funded all, funded all four, four, four years, the six year in the 10 year program.

1060
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,280
We have an amendment by Councilmember Schmoles, seconded by Councilmember Dixon, I assume.

1061
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:09,440
Okay. Did you want to speak to your amendment?

1062
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:10,860
Sorry to do it, okay.

1063
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:17,940
So we have a second on that, so we are speaking to the amendment council member Harris.

1064
01:31:19,020 --> 01:31:19,940
Or whatever you'd like to say.

1065
01:31:19,940 --> 01:31:20,660
Thank you.

1066
01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:31,100
Okay, just, I was looking through the minutes and obviously we did commit for

1067
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:38,780
the increase in the budget if the EMS levy passes. And that's a huge if, right? We don't

1068
01:31:38,780 --> 01:31:47,160
know if that's going to pass. And I just wanted to make that pretty clear because we don't

1069
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:48,060
know if that's going to pass.

1070
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,640
And we'll also have a public safety fund that we would probably look at as well.

1071
01:31:55,460 --> 01:32:02,440
Thank you, Mayor. I haven't heard anyone suggest that we not fund the equipment replacement

1072
01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:09,020
fund in future years. I think that would be really incumbent upon us to figure out how

1073
01:32:09,020 --> 01:32:17,180
to do that. That's the way out of revolving that cycle. So I think that's an important element

1074
01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:24,580
of moving forward. There are two or three different potential options that might provide

1075
01:32:24,580 --> 01:32:31,280
us the resources to help make that happen. One is our next topic of discussion, which

1076
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:38,820
will raise $400 and $7,000 per year that would take that much out of burden off of the

1077
01:32:38,820 --> 01:32:44,660
general fund, which we could use to expand the point and equipment replacement. The other

1078
01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:50,460
There is the Mets Levy, which performs the same function, which removes a burden loss

1079
01:32:50,460 --> 01:32:51,200
in general fund.

1080
01:32:51,820 --> 01:32:57,880
And the third is he still has a yet unknown revenue from our traffic cameras.

1081
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:04,480
So I would like to think, at least one of those three is going to work, to some extent,

1082
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:09,280
and that we will be in a better position to do the thing that we would all like to do.

1083
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:14,900
which is to fund the equipment replacement fund and build it up so that when these items,

1084
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,560
when the contract expires and these items reach the end of their useful life, we don't have

1085
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,260
to go back into debt to replace them.

1086
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:29,520
But I will support the three categories for this cycle.

1087
01:33:30,940 --> 01:33:38,080
Councilor Jackson? Yeah, I wanted to discuss a slight tweak on the approach because I think I have

1088
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,320
a solution that might actually work for us.

1089
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:46,540
If we were to go forward with the 10 year program and the four year program, that would

1090
01:33:46,540 --> 01:33:55,240
be $220,000 in annual payment, roughly, for the first four years, and then 60, whatever

1091
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,940
the 10 year payment is for the remaining six.

1092
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:06,640
The six year equipment we could actually purchase with the equipment replacement reserve fund,

1093
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:26,700
because the $840 or $50,000 we could easily purchase the $367,000 of equipment and leave the $367,000 at least in there and have sufficient money to pay for the two years of the debt.

1094
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:55,140
So I think if we were to slightly modify this, we could actually utilize the equipment replacement reserve in a way that it just described to maximize the current funding that we have and going forward if we had as has been suggested if we were to add 200, 300,000 dollars per year, which is sort of the traditional amount that we've added to it, it would definitely support that going forward and be sufficient.

1095
01:34:55,140 --> 01:35:14,740
So if this motion does not pass, I would like to make the motion that I just described where we fund the 10-year and the 4-year program and utilize the Equipment Replacement Reserve to purchase the items that are currently the 6-year items.

1096
01:35:17,150 --> 01:35:18,230
Councilmember Votto.

1097
01:35:19,410 --> 01:35:27,810
I can't support the motion to add all of these things when we're looking at uncertain

1098
01:35:27,810 --> 01:35:31,530
revenues and budget restrictions going forward.

1099
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:38,690
It doesn't make sense to me to take on more payments and to take on more expenses that

1100
01:35:38,690 --> 01:35:42,350
we're not completely 100% sure we're going to be able to pay.

1101
01:35:42,350 --> 01:35:52,250
Okay, yes, we do need the equipment, but I think we could be more selective about buying that equipment, and so I wouldn't support this.

1102
01:35:53,450 --> 01:35:54,670
The Council of Vice President Moom.

1103
01:35:56,230 --> 01:35:57,810
I think I'm closer to a decision.

1104
01:36:00,650 --> 01:36:02,370
I am not comfortable with that.

1105
01:36:02,510 --> 01:36:05,690
I don't think we're disciplined enough to go into the local program.

1106
01:36:05,690 --> 01:36:09,810
I can see our council leaning on the local program more and more.

1107
01:36:09,810 --> 01:36:17,930
Because again, it's a great program, low interest rates, and I think it's affordable, but I think it's a dangerous place to be.

1108
01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:26,250
Similar to the hiring freeze that we did, we had many exemptions, and a lot of us were like, this is a position that we really need.

1109
01:36:26,650 --> 01:36:34,130
It'll be a similar thing to our local program, this is a really important piece of equipment, we really need it, and I think it'll be similar.

1110
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:41,250
I don't, you know, if we don't purchase the mower, you know, maybe we mow less, maybe we

1111
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:41,830
don't mow it all.

1112
01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:46,130
I don't know what we're going to run into, but I think that's where our discipline

1113
01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:50,870
will kick in rather than going through a program like local.

1114
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:54,430
Again, it's, I think, it's a great program, but I think we're not disciplined enough to

1115
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:55,230
go into it.

1116
01:36:57,410 --> 01:36:58,070
Councilmember Dixon.

1117
01:36:58,430 --> 01:36:58,990
Call the question.

1118
01:36:59,930 --> 01:37:03,010
You were the last one, so all right.

1119
01:37:03,010 --> 01:37:09,570
Okay, we are voting on the amendment and let's see if that's up there, that's still on the 10-year items.

1120
01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:18,170
We will be voting again on the amendment, which is to fund it all from the local program.

1121
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:23,010
On your list, not everything, the city needs, but just what's on the list in front of you.

1122
01:37:23,710 --> 01:37:28,870
And that is the amendment, there we go, okay.

1123
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:35,150
All right. You should be in the second. Here you go. You should be voting on the amendment.

1124
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:49,360
All right. That will fail. Four to three with council member Schmals, council member Emory, and council member Dixon voting yes.

1125
01:37:50,060 --> 01:37:55,560
That brings us back to the main motion as unamended council member Dixon.

1126
01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:04,620
I can make an amendment to fund the 10-year program and the four-year program and purchase

1127
01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:07,840
the six-year items using the equipment replacement reserve.

1128
01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:12,690
10-year and the four-year, okay, with the six-year well.

1129
01:38:13,570 --> 01:38:14,050
I think, okay.

1130
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:16,990
We have an amendment to the motion.

1131
01:38:17,610 --> 01:38:18,410
Is there a second?

1132
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:21,730
Okay.

1133
01:38:22,110 --> 01:38:23,690
I got a second by Councillor Schmoles.

1134
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:26,150
He was about tied.

1135
01:38:26,150 --> 01:38:28,970
Does anybody want to speak to the amendment? Councillor Dixon.

1136
01:38:29,690 --> 01:38:36,210
Just to reiterate, if we go on this approach and we commit to procuring the six-year items

1137
01:38:36,210 --> 01:38:40,890
using the equipment replacement reserve, we purchase critical equipment that has been outlined

1138
01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:46,970
by the city staff through their deliberative process. These are items that, according

1139
01:38:46,970 --> 01:38:53,970
to the city's processes and the staff, cannot be deferred. And if we utilize the combination

1140
01:38:53,970 --> 01:39:14,490
of the two approaches, it actually utilizes the existing funds in a cost effective manner and would only require in maybe year three subsequent injection of $300,000 per year into the equipment replacement reserve, which has been the level that we have done in the past two years, so it should be quite doable.

1141
01:39:14,490 --> 01:39:15,390
Thank you.

1142
01:39:16,090 --> 01:39:17,090
Council Member Vago.

1143
01:39:18,010 --> 01:39:23,710
Yeah, I think Council Vice President Moonja said that this is what he was afraid of.

1144
01:39:24,090 --> 01:39:27,930
That you will start adding on to this program before you know it.

1145
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:33,930
And so in favor of that, I'm just going to say I wouldn't support this.

1146
01:39:34,710 --> 01:39:35,550
Council Member Emory.

1147
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:46,130
I think this is a reasonable compromise to get us through the next while I think we can't

1148
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,090
not have the Moor.

1149
01:39:48,990 --> 01:39:52,030
It's something our citizens would be very unhappy about.

1150
01:39:52,730 --> 01:39:57,830
It would make maintenance work much, much more difficult and probably more expensive.

1151
01:39:59,430 --> 01:40:04,150
And this is a good path to pursue on that because the Moor will last longer than the

1152
01:40:04,150 --> 01:40:06,950
the obligation, the same as true of the backhoe.

1153
01:40:07,790 --> 01:40:10,450
So I think that's a really good investment in this program.

1154
01:40:11,170 --> 01:40:14,730
And I think the bunker gear in reading apparatus

1155
01:40:14,730 --> 01:40:16,230
are absolutely essential.

1156
01:40:17,470 --> 01:40:19,490
And I think it's another way to, again,

1157
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:23,750
to protect our assets while we figure out how to move forward

1158
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:27,710
in a more rigorous and responsible way.

1159
01:40:29,150 --> 01:40:30,230
Council President Dirtle.

1160
01:40:30,230 --> 01:40:42,030
Yeah, I just think we should really focus on the EMS led me to pay for the bunker gear and breathing apparatus and if we can't do that then to pay for that out of the equipment reserve account.

1161
01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:47,640
Right. Any more discussion on the amended amendment to the motion?

1162
01:40:50,060 --> 01:41:00,840
We will go to voting and if you remember the amendment is to fund the ten year and the four year with the local and the six year through the existing equipment replacement fund.

1163
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:16,720
All right that will fail four to three with council member Dixon council member Amory and councilmember Schmultz voting. Yes

1164
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:22,020
Brings this back to our main motion has unamended in

1165
01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:24,840
Any further discussion on the main motion

1166
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:28,240
Are we can go to voting on that?

1167
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,140
We'll see how quickly Leslie can type

1168
01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:33,120
She's working hard

1169
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,060
Doing a great job Leslie.

1170
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,340
I'll give you a second

1171
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:51,000
Council President Jordan it's a question that can that be without amending it can it be paid out of the equipment reserve account the the month

1172
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:53,440
Payments every year for this

1173
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:59,480
It could be it could be right okay good to say yeah, it's just coming from the general right out of the up. Thanks

1174
01:41:59,480 --> 01:42:00,400
There

1175
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:07,120
we go the voting should be up can

1176
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:15,640
missing one

1177
01:42:19,980 --> 01:42:26,080
Okay, and that will actually fail four to three with councilmember Emory council president Jordan and

1178
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,320
and Council Member Dickson voting yes.

1179
01:42:31,150 --> 01:42:34,690
Okay, not exactly how I thought that would go on here, but all right.

1180
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:39,630
We are going to move on to our next item, which is the Transpiration Benefit District

1181
01:42:43,490 --> 01:42:45,530
and Director Neen House who did not go for.

1182
01:42:50,230 --> 01:42:51,190
No, I'm still here.

1183
01:42:58,340 --> 01:42:59,840
Okay, Transportation Benefit District.

1184
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:05,220
Just a little background reminder, we've looked at this a few times, but we do have a Transpiration

1185
01:43:05,220 --> 01:43:08,900
Benefit District that was formed in 2017.

1186
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:16,340
the voters did approve a .1% sales tax that same year became effective 2018 it

1187
01:43:16,340 --> 01:43:21,940
will sunset after 10 years and again these funds can be spent on transportation

1188
01:43:21,940 --> 01:43:28,180
maintenance operation preservation but generally we have transferred these funds

1189
01:43:28,180 --> 01:43:38,350
into the payment preservation program so the current street budget each year

1190
01:43:38,350 --> 01:43:45,590
transfer $635,000 from the general fund into the street fund to fully fund that, however

1191
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:50,070
the transportation benefit district can cover these funds if council wishes.

1192
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:54,970
And so an

1193
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:06,860
additional 0.1% sales tax can be done by councilmatic action and so if this was

1194
01:44:06,860 --> 01:44:17,100
tonight for 2025. It'd be about $112,500 and then 2026 we have $456,000 could be

1195
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:17,660
for that year.

1196
01:44:19,700 --> 01:44:24,360
And the benefits of this just helps ensure sustainable funding

1197
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,320
for our transportation and maintenance and operations and does reduce the

1198
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:33,480
general fund burden by what as we have been in the long-range financial plan by

1199
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:35,800
about one and a half units. So if

1200
01:44:41,530 --> 01:44:44,590
we adopt this ordinance night, we can accomplish that

1201
01:44:45,170 --> 01:44:48,850
and any questions for you. Councilmember Dickson.

1202
01:44:50,230 --> 01:44:56,770
What is the current sales tax for the city of Michael Teo and 0.6% if we did this

1203
01:44:56,770 --> 01:44:59,630
This consummatic tax increase would we have the highest tax.

1204
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:17,800
State's sales tax in the state? Yes, right now we are tied with several other entities. We are all about the same, but we would go up .1%. All right. Thank you. We don't want to win that. Any other questions? That's not a win. Any other? Okay.

1205
01:45:20,180 --> 01:45:29,840
Thank you. There are no questions at the moment. This is a perfect opportunity to go to the public. I don't have any people signed up for this.

1206
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,440
It doesn't mean that you cannot comment.

1207
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:33,600
Tony Dammell?

1208
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:42,460
Tony Dammell, if you want to say in general, anytime you raise taxes, you should go to the

1209
01:45:42,460 --> 01:45:43,320
people for a vote.

1210
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:48,100
That's just the way it ought to be, because we are the ones that are paying the bill, just

1211
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:48,720
like with the EMS.

1212
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:52,720
I mean, people didn't want to pay the EMS, let the last few times around.

1213
01:45:53,300 --> 01:45:55,460
You need to give the people the opportunity to vote.

1214
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:00,500
The other one is going to sunset, so you might as well go to the people now and vote.

1215
01:46:00,500 --> 01:46:05,480
maybe you want to vote for point two now and let the other one sunset. Thanks.

1216
01:46:06,340 --> 01:46:08,040
Thank you, Mr. Damov. Elaine Nath.

1217
01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:19,880
Elaine Nath, Michael Teo. I didn't know whether you passed by public comments at the end of

1218
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:25,920
the meeting like you sometimes do. So I just want to apologize to Council Member Vaggle for my comments

1219
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:31,060
earlier. I didn't mean to imply that I have not agreed with her on some issues because I have.

1220
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:36,060
what I don't want is for any member of the public to determine who represents me

1221
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:42,540
because I can do that by myself. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comments

1222
01:46:42,540 --> 01:46:45,400
on the TBD? Don Durant.

1223
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:55,880
Michael Teo, you know as much as this bums me out to be standing right here next to the

1224
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:00,580
guy that I think totally deserves the resources to get his job done. I don't

1225
01:47:00,580 --> 01:47:07,600
like this methodology whatsoever, I'll tell you when the vote was taken, I obviously

1226
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:12,060
was not in politics at the time, and I just read it as, okay, I'm just going to have to

1227
01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:20,000
start buying stuff outside the 98275. I mentioned it to my wife, but I can't decide what

1228
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,700
she does, so from that standpoint, she hasn't listened to me at all. But what I would say

1229
01:47:25,700 --> 01:47:32,380
is this. What I have learned through the course of time is that if you want less of something,

1230
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:36,580
and it doesn't matter what it is, if you want less of something, you tax it. You will

1231
01:47:36,580 --> 01:47:42,500
get less of that because people will make buying decisions based on that. I do it. That

1232
01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:47,020
having been said, I'm going to tie that back to something that Council Member Dixon continues

1233
01:47:47,020 --> 01:47:56,560
to pronounce, and that is that sales tax apparently, and we don't know for certain, but it appears

1234
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:04,260
as though this trend line on sales tax is dramatically lower than the historical trend line, and

1235
01:48:04,260 --> 01:48:11,300
certainly lower than forecast. So to that end, I'm not sure why we would increase something that

1236
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:17,340
is apparently already influencing, potentially influencing people's buying decisions, thinking

1237
01:48:17,340 --> 01:48:25,680
that if we tax more we will get more, right? That's just flawed logic as far as I can tell.

1238
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:30,700
Thank you, Mr. Dren. Anybody else there or online?

1239
01:48:34,810 --> 01:48:36,150
All right, Council back to you.

1240
01:48:45,570 --> 01:48:45,970
You can

1241
01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:47,230
and die for a lack of interest.

1242
01:48:47,690 --> 01:48:48,370
Councilor Vago.

1243
01:48:49,450 --> 01:48:51,770
Okay, for the sake of keeping the conversation going.

1244
01:48:53,310 --> 01:48:59,290
It's a little bit of a catch-22 because we need more tax revenue and to get more revenue,

1245
01:48:59,530 --> 01:49:03,170
we have to increase taxes and nobody wants to increase taxes.

1246
01:49:04,650 --> 01:49:12,730
And I don't know, I'd like to know anybody else's thoughts about if this would really make that big of an impact on our budget,

1247
01:49:12,730 --> 01:49:42,710
it seems like it would, to me, and I also understand that, you know, if you put a higher tax on it, somebody might shop somewhere else, which would be unfortunate, I don't think that way personally, I think I'm supporting my city by paying that sales tax, that's why I shop online a lot, but anyway, I'd kind of like to know your thoughts about, if you think

1248
01:49:42,710 --> 01:49:46,310
I think this would benefit the city if this tax would actually benefit the city or not?

1249
01:49:47,570 --> 01:49:48,530
Council Member Harris.

1250
01:49:48,990 --> 01:49:50,490
Yeah, I'd have it away in on that.

1251
01:49:51,010 --> 01:49:56,850
Yeah, we have a, I'm just going to be frank, we have a bleak, financial picture.

1252
01:49:57,570 --> 01:50:01,270
We either need to cut expenses or we need to raise revenue, period.

1253
01:50:02,090 --> 01:50:10,050
And the reality is that we have not done the work or we haven't had the gumption enough to

1254
01:50:10,050 --> 01:50:19,430
want to cut the expenses straight off the bat, right? And while I'm a full supporter of

1255
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:24,250
our staff and stuff, so that's not it, but obviously staffing is the biggest expense

1256
01:50:24,250 --> 01:50:29,450
and I don't want to dampen the mood or anything like that, but let's talk reality, right?

1257
01:50:30,670 --> 01:50:37,610
We do need the revenue. You know, the traffic camera revenue, it's going to be a bump for

1258
01:50:37,610 --> 01:50:42,750
a little bit, but the reality is it's going to go down after several months, so it's one

1259
01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:47,390
of those things that's not going to have a long-term impact or solvency in my opinion.

1260
01:50:48,750 --> 01:50:53,790
The EMS Levy Lidliff, we still don't know if that's going to go through, hopefully it

1261
01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:58,730
does, but the point is that I'm looking at finances as a total picture, which is why I'm

1262
01:50:58,730 --> 01:50:59,910
bringing in these other elements.

1263
01:51:00,870 --> 01:51:06,290
And I believe that this is a small drop in the bucket to increase our revenue.

1264
01:51:06,290 --> 01:51:15,350
the reality is, is that people, I do choose, like Council Member Vago, to purchase in the city

1265
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:21,370
because of the taxes going to the city. Our community really needs to rally around the true

1266
01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:26,890
financial picture of the city. And that's something that I, you know, I keep posing to our residents,

1267
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:32,630
because I do care about them, I do care about the costs, and I do care that it's expensive.

1268
01:51:32,630 --> 01:51:40,830
But the reality is that we are at a time where we have the ability to see the problem before

1269
01:51:40,830 --> 01:51:42,950
it is too big to really deal with.

1270
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:50,350
And if we don't do something now, then we will be in a situation where we're, you know,

1271
01:51:50,490 --> 01:51:55,730
we're caching in on our investments to pay for basic needs.

1272
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:58,610
This is what is happening in Edmunds currently.

1273
01:51:58,610 --> 01:52:04,770
And so, it's just one of those things where it's like I'm a firm believer that we need

1274
01:52:04,770 --> 01:52:08,890
to either raise revenue or cut expenses because we're not at the point where we're ready

1275
01:52:08,890 --> 01:52:09,670
to cut expenses.

1276
01:52:10,170 --> 01:52:12,310
Revenue is the option for me, and that's it.

1277
01:52:13,570 --> 01:52:14,490
Councillor Schmals.

1278
01:52:15,130 --> 01:52:15,550
Thank you.

1279
01:52:16,250 --> 01:52:17,450
A couple of things.

1280
01:52:19,230 --> 01:52:28,590
When I see sales tax revenue, especially when it comes to transportation, I look at the

1281
01:52:28,590 --> 01:52:36,170
look at it as, you know, I think everyone should participate in funding that.

1282
01:52:36,490 --> 01:52:43,390
So it would be tourists, people, visitors who ride our roads, businesses who drive on

1283
01:52:43,390 --> 01:52:47,750
our roads, residents that drive on our roads, and we would all participate in that.

1284
01:52:47,950 --> 01:52:54,030
And I think that's probably as the tax structure in Washington State is probably the most regressive

1285
01:52:54,030 --> 01:52:56,570
of any state there is in the country.

1286
01:52:56,570 --> 01:53:01,710
this seems to be the most fair than to put the burden, complete burden on our

1287
01:53:01,710 --> 01:53:07,190
residents to repair our transportation needs or our roads. So I think that the

1288
01:53:07,190 --> 01:53:15,280
sales tax warps as good as it can and that's why we did the TBD I think was

1289
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:20,740
back in 2017 or 2017 is when we went to the voters again. I still believe that

1290
01:53:20,740 --> 01:53:26,860
that's the way to go. I don't feel comfortable it was a council voting to do that.

1291
01:53:26,860 --> 01:53:31,980
I think the residents should or the voters should vote on this, put it to the people,

1292
01:53:32,820 --> 01:53:39,920
the voters to decide whether they want to increase their taxes to fund transportation needs.

1293
01:53:40,540 --> 01:53:44,360
The other thing is, is that what will we do with the general fund money that we save,

1294
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:49,000
again, sort of like the EMS, is like what we're going to do with it.

1295
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:53,260
You know, we're going to put it back into public safety, what are we going to do with it?

1296
01:53:53,260 --> 01:53:59,040
I think that's a legitimate question that I think we should also be trying to answer as well.

1297
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:06,240
So, if we do decide to go, I would favor of going to the ballot and ask the voters to vote for it.

1298
01:54:06,340 --> 01:54:12,380
I know we have one that's sunsetting that we need to address, but it might be good to go to both of these.

1299
01:54:12,620 --> 01:54:12,880
Thanks.

1300
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:15,120
Council Member Dixon.

1301
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:19,700
I would

1302
01:54:27,180 --> 01:54:36,140
agree that it's a consulmanic action to increase sales tax would be very on wise where we failed three levy lid lifts.

1303
01:54:36,580 --> 01:54:48,380
I don't think it would make a lot of sense to, as a body, simply choose to increase the sales taxes for everybody that buys anything in the city of

1304
01:54:48,380 --> 01:54:59,480
to you. Number one, number two, as Don Durant even mentioned earlier, we have baked into

1305
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:05,000
our Long Range Financial Plan forecast $4.2 million in sales tax revenue and whether

1306
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:13,860
it was 3.7 last year or not. The 4.2 is probably not reality and increasing at 4.5%, which is

1307
01:55:13,860 --> 01:55:18,100
is what we have baked into the long range financial plan is clearly not reality.

1308
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:25,980
And so it is highly likely that that $3.7 million number which is on audited, evidently

1309
01:55:25,980 --> 01:55:29,640
is the number now for last year, is probably the peak.

1310
01:55:30,300 --> 01:55:37,620
And so if you go down the path, I don't think it makes a lot of sense, but I guess the last

1311
01:55:37,620 --> 01:55:41,620
The first thing I see is, I'm really disappointed.

1312
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:46,120
I guess I'll save this for later, but that's all I have to see.

1313
01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:46,540
Thanks.

1314
01:55:47,580 --> 01:55:48,420
Council President Jordan.

1315
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:56,880
Yeah, I think the reason that our council priority and probably the highest priority was to

1316
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:01,540
look at generating revenues is because we have a budget problem in the coming years and I

1317
01:56:01,540 --> 01:56:05,960
think we can't forget that and it's a real problem and the student you would start addressing

1318
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:10,500
at the smaller of a problem it'll be, and the less painful it'll be down the road.

1319
01:56:11,860 --> 01:56:15,580
And so I think it makes sense to consider the additional tax.

1320
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:20,680
And if you look at where it impacts, we were given some numbers in the handouts that show

1321
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:25,640
about 30% is from retail sales tax, I guess that's from all of retail outlets here.

1322
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:35,880
20% is from construction, and I think that I don't think that a .1% increase in taxes

1323
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:37,560
is going to affect construction at all.

1324
01:56:38,380 --> 01:56:41,860
And lastly, 15% on hotel and restaurant.

1325
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:43,960
And I don't suspect that you're going to go

1326
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,760
to a different restaurant for 0.1% different in sales tax.

1327
01:56:47,980 --> 01:56:49,360
I think it's really important, too,

1328
01:56:49,460 --> 01:56:52,620
that you balance new revenues with cost cutting.

1329
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:55,560
And I would say that the city's actually

1330
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,980
done a fair amount of effort in that regard.

1331
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,440
I know we have two positions that are currently not filled.

1332
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,560
And one kind of voluntarily, because the city decided

1333
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:04,380
not to bring it forward.

1334
01:57:04,380 --> 01:57:08,120
and the other one that was held back by, because of the hiring freeze.

1335
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:13,480
And we should also remember that the city cut $150,000 from the budget that was presented last year.

1336
01:57:14,340 --> 01:57:17,540
And that was a painful thing for the city to do.

1337
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:23,760
And yeah, you can always find more cuts, but I think the more you do, the more painful it is and

1338
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,640
the more services are going to get reduced.

1339
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:28,040
I think that we're a relatively lean city.

1340
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:29,300
And I'm thankful for that.

1341
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:31,740
So anyhow, I'm supportive of this for that reason.

1342
01:57:33,340 --> 01:57:34,240
Councilmember Harris.

1343
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,720
Sorry, thank you for your points, Council President Drartelman.

1344
01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:41,550
Councilmember Dixon.

1345
01:57:45,090 --> 01:57:48,830
Yeah, I guess I would differ with that point of view.

1346
01:57:51,730 --> 01:57:57,630
In my opinion, we have not done a good job of implementing cuts in any meaningful way.

1347
01:57:57,630 --> 01:58:04,730
The only thing that we actually did was pass the hiring freeze for six months and 11 of the 12 positions were

1348
01:58:04,730 --> 01:58:14,790
exempted from the hiring freeze. One was voluntarily not brought forward and at which saves the city one month of salary because they're gonna bring it on July 1st

1349
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:23,530
when we cancel this in 10 days and then yet we choose to not fund critical equipment that we know is dire.

1350
01:58:24,170 --> 01:58:32,930
We don't know if the levee lid lift is going to pass, and we're asking the citizens to bank on having the breathing apparatus on that basis.

1351
01:58:34,490 --> 01:58:41,110
But yet we have no issue putting in place devices to take money from people.

1352
01:58:41,630 --> 01:58:43,430
And those are easy choices for us.

1353
01:58:43,790 --> 01:58:51,150
But when it's time to actually look at saving money or using the money we have economically, for some reason we choose not to do that.

1354
01:58:51,150 --> 01:58:55,030
So I really don't understand the logic of the council.

1355
01:58:57,480 --> 01:58:57,860
All right,

1356
01:59:00,540 --> 01:59:01,300
anything else?

1357
01:59:02,380 --> 01:59:03,360
Councilor Emory.

1358
01:59:04,820 --> 01:59:09,300
The long range financial planning committee was tasked with a number of things.

1359
01:59:09,300 --> 01:59:14,740
One of them was I think potentially suggestions for revenue increases.

1360
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:23,120
Because it's the issue is the disparity between what the city has been doing.

1361
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:29,160
The services that is provided, what a resident said, become a custom too, and I think expect

1362
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:34,760
and the income that we have generated to support all that.

1363
01:59:36,580 --> 01:59:46,740
We are in a difficult position, and if we're not interested in actually pursuing opportunities

1364
01:59:46,740 --> 01:59:52,620
to increase revenue, we would need to hear from our residents and

1365
01:59:52,620 --> 01:59:54,580
and what services they would like to see reduced.

1366
01:59:56,300 --> 01:59:59,980
It's pretty much that stark, at least at this point.

1367
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,060
That particular point, the budget that we have shows a significant deficit at the end of 2026.

1368
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:12,800
And leaving an ending fund balance below the minimum that we think is responsible. And I think

1369
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:21,180
it's really essential that if we really aren't going to be able to raise revenue, we need

1370
02:00:21,180 --> 02:00:27,320
some really difficult discussions on what is it we're not going to do, that we have been

1371
02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:33,700
and historically able to do, that will be a difficult conversation and we don't have a lot

1372
02:00:33,700 --> 02:00:40,200
of time to have that conversation in order to get through 2026 under current circumstances.

1373
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:50,440
I would support certainly taking this to the residents I think, however personally I would

1374
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:56,200
vote for this as a council member without taking it to the public, I know that's probably

1375
02:00:56,200 --> 02:01:02,880
political suicide but it's my job to look out for the benefit and welfare of the city as a whole

1376
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:08,420
and to do the things that I think are responsible to keep the city running and moving and

1377
02:01:08,420 --> 02:01:11,440
operating in the direction that we all appreciate and value.

1378
02:01:18,540 --> 02:01:19,620
That's up to you guys. Yeah,

1379
02:01:19,740 --> 02:01:25,900
Council President Jordan. Yes, I would like to make a motion to adopt ordinance 1518 imposing

1380
02:01:25,900 --> 02:01:30,960
an additional sales and use tax. All right, we have a motion by Council President Jordan,

1381
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:32,420
but also going to be council member Harris,

1382
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:34,540
do you anybody want to speak to the motion?

1383
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:37,140
The discussion, council member Harris.

1384
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:39,960
Yeah, and this is really just,

1385
02:01:40,340 --> 02:01:43,520
this is information, this is really a call to our residents

1386
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:46,640
to really just pay attention over the next several months

1387
02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:50,440
because like the picture is very clear

1388
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:52,300
over the next five to 10 years.

1389
02:01:52,820 --> 02:01:56,540
It is not good, and excuse me for being a warmist,

1390
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:00,780
but I don't see much alarm about this issue

1391
02:02:00,780 --> 02:02:04,860
and I'm trying to make logic out of it, and it just doesn't make sense.

1392
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:10,900
But the point is, is that in no way, shape-former fashion, do I want to raise taxes

1393
02:02:10,900 --> 02:02:15,840
on anybody in the stands, anybody not here or myself?

1394
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:24,240
But the difference between what I want and what's needed for the government to run are two different things.

1395
02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:29,660
And people really need to ground themselves in that reality because the difference

1396
02:02:29,660 --> 02:02:48,980
what's beneficial for you and what's beneficial for the government to run is starkly different and people today really need to understand that because it's making the emotional but the point is that yeah, it's not fun to have to raise taxes on people, but it's what we have to do.

1397
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:53,820
Any further discussion on the motion? Council member Dixon?

1398
02:02:55,500 --> 02:03:01,760
Yeah, I can respect your comments a little bit of a beg to differ slightly.

1399
02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:06,420
One of the things that we could have done when we did the budget not to rehash all of

1400
02:03:06,420 --> 02:03:13,940
this, but we never even looked at implementing a salary freeze or a salary reduction for the

1401
02:03:13,940 --> 02:03:18,560
non-represented employees, which in my analysis, because of the structure,

1402
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:24,460
the way that we implement the increases for the non-represented employees who were compensated

1403
02:03:24,460 --> 02:03:29,760
at the max of the band, that was easily a $300,000 increase.

1404
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:36,080
And simple things like that, implementing that freeze, rolling it back to 2023,

1405
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:39,260
which is actually quite legal because those are at-will employees.

1406
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,760
There are a variety of things that could be done.

1407
02:03:42,020 --> 02:03:43,380
We could have implemented furloughs.

1408
02:03:43,380 --> 02:03:47,680
We could have done all kinds of things and each of those things was a three to five hundred thousand dollar item

1409
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:54,920
And so before we go down the path of raising taxes to generate a hundred thousand this year and four hundred thousand next year

1410
02:03:54,920 --> 02:04:03,400
It is disappointing to me that we never took seriously any efforts to actually reduce costs by five hundred thousand dollars or a million

1411
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:05,600
Dollars and there are many things that we could have done

1412
02:04:08,260 --> 02:04:09,500
Council member Vago

1413
02:04:09,500 --> 02:04:18,200
Yeah, when we're looking at cutting our budget, I don't see why we should turn down revenue.

1414
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:23,340
If you're talking about cutting the budget, then why would you turn down revenue that doesn't make sense to me?

1415
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:29,580
And unfortunately, we have to raise taxes to get that income.

1416
02:04:30,260 --> 02:04:32,720
And so I'm going to support this.

1417
02:04:35,060 --> 02:04:36,980
Okay, any further discussion on the motion?

1418
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:43,160
Hearing none, we will go to voting.

1419
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:43,840
All

1420
02:04:58,020 --> 02:05:03,760
right, that will pass four to three with Councilmember Dixon, Councilmember Schmultz and Council Vice President Moon voting no

1421
02:05:04,980 --> 02:05:08,600
All right, thank you counsel. This will take us to new business

1422
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:14,080
Staff

1423
02:05:15,260 --> 02:05:16,860
Councilmember Dixon yeah

1424
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:21,620
City minister of powers. I think there were one or two items that I had asked to add as new business

1425
02:05:21,620 --> 02:05:24,660
And I thought you'd said you would I don't remember them coming up tonight

1426
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:28,540
Did I miss read that I think council president?

1427
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:40,200
Yes, sorry about that. Councilmember Nixon. Let's see here. I checked minus real quick here.

1428
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:51,560
Oh, the one in particular that I noted was about a report from the salary commission on the council compensation.

1429
02:05:52,260 --> 02:05:56,860
And we didn't find it. I didn't find that there was enough support from the rest of the council to bring that one forward.

1430
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:07,800
You had one last week that you emailed me after the agenda setting committee met, which I told you will take up tomorrow.

1431
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:11,740
And for the life of me, I don't remember what it is, but if you give me a moment, I can find it here.

1432
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:12,680
Okay.

1433
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:22,560
Oh, yes, yes, it was to explore forming an RFA with Everett and airport fire and I said I'll make sure we talk about it at tomorrow's meeting.

1434
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:25,520
Oh, at tomorrow's meeting, okay, thank you.

1435
02:06:25,700 --> 02:06:29,020
And so, very good.

1436
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:36,000
So I made the request that we explore joining a forming an RFA with the city of Everett

1437
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:43,900
and the airport fire department because it would be a lot cheaper than joining South County

1438
02:06:43,900 --> 02:06:48,820
and would retain local control and might be an interesting approach.

1439
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:52,480
that was the new business that I had asked for.

1440
02:06:52,620 --> 02:06:54,040
So thank you for taking that up tomorrow.

1441
02:06:54,380 --> 02:06:56,060
Are we doing comments now as well, Mr. Mayor?

1442
02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:57,180
Well, we may.

1443
02:06:57,620 --> 02:06:59,220
I'm gonna see if anybody else has any new business.

1444
02:07:00,200 --> 02:07:02,000
Staff, council, any other new business?

1445
02:07:02,780 --> 02:07:05,020
Or we will go to council comments?

1446
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:07,140
Council member Dixon.

1447
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:09,780
So since this is comment,

1448
02:07:13,260 --> 02:07:18,340
we kicked the can on whatever the priority one items

1449
02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:21,460
terms were tonight because we chose to not fund any of them.

1450
02:07:22,220 --> 02:07:26,020
We chose to not fund the 10-year, six-year and four-year.

1451
02:07:26,420 --> 02:07:28,660
We chose to not fund the 10-year and four-year.

1452
02:07:29,140 --> 02:07:34,600
We chose to not fund even the 10-year, yet we also chose to increase taxes on people.

1453
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:41,100
I don't know how I can become more effective as a council member.

1454
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:59,140
I'm not certain if I am helpful, but I don't think we did a good service to our residents tonight by choosing to kick the can on all of this equipment and leave all of these questions hanging in the balance.

1455
02:07:59,620 --> 02:08:04,860
If you're a fireman and you're sitting there wondering how are we going to buy the breathing apparatus.

1456
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:13,300
And, you know, the levies failed three times, and the council, as a body, chose to say, well, you know what?

1457
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:22,700
If the citizens really want it, then yeah, you'll get to buy the breathing apparatus and re-rate the fire department next year.

1458
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:28,000
And if they don't, even though we fail three levied lifts, that says a body what we are doing.

1459
02:08:28,460 --> 02:08:32,640
And so these kinds of decisions, I just think are highly reckless.

1460
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:35,680
this, maybe they're deeply personal, I don't know what they are.

1461
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:39,160
But they just do not strike me as rational or responsible.

1462
02:08:42,010 --> 02:08:43,250
Council vice president move.

1463
02:08:44,070 --> 02:08:44,350
Thank you.

1464
02:08:44,510 --> 02:08:49,750
And to respond to your comment, I think what you're forgetting is we're not funding it through local.

1465
02:08:50,730 --> 02:08:54,970
For the scuba, the tanks, for the gear, we're going to fund it.

1466
02:08:55,550 --> 02:09:00,750
Whether it's from the equipment replacement or wherever it is, we're going to be funding it.

1467
02:09:00,750 --> 02:09:02,710
And if the EMS, we're still going to fund it.

1468
02:09:02,930 --> 02:09:07,170
So I think we just got to keep in mind that the local programs didn't pass this time.

1469
02:09:07,930 --> 02:09:13,050
But for those other things, especially for the fire, they will get their equipment.

1470
02:09:13,450 --> 02:09:16,130
It's just a matter of not through local.

1471
02:09:16,690 --> 02:09:20,870
So I want to make sure that our firefighters know that for sure.

1472
02:09:22,190 --> 02:09:24,730
But yeah, there were very difficult decisions that we made.

1473
02:09:24,970 --> 02:09:29,430
And I think we're going to be learning from them in the next six, 12 months.

1474
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:35,930
But I'm hopeful that we will learn and we will be disciplined because again like I said discipline isn't an easy thing

1475
02:09:35,930 --> 02:09:41,910
It's going to be tough and it's supposed to be that way. So yeah looking forward to learn more together

1476
02:09:43,740 --> 02:09:45,480
Any other council comments

1477
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:53,040
All right, and I feel compelled to I don't really speak during

1478
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:58,740
The discussions and try to sway but I was quite frankly glad

1479
02:09:58,740 --> 02:10:02,360
we didn't pass local just so the public knows that did not come from the

1480
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:06,680
administration knorted this transportation benefit district sales tax

1481
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:12,400
increase. This was from council direction on trying to get revenue. I don't

1482
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:16,820
believe in the local program except for I would have supported on the 10 year I

1483
02:10:16,820 --> 02:10:22,540
think those items like a fire truck a 1.4 million dollar item that has a 20 to

1484
02:10:22,540 --> 02:10:27,220
25 year lifespan makes sense. I'm doing it because I think what and it wasn't

1485
02:10:27,220 --> 02:10:30,060
I don't really mention tonight, but the problem you're going to have is if you started

1486
02:10:30,060 --> 02:10:31,520
it, it was only 300,000 a year.

1487
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:36,880
Well this year looks great the first year, but when you start stacking it, before you're

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spending a million dollars a year in debt payment, and you still have new vehicles coming

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do, and you just get behind.

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And that was my fear on doing that, but for those large items, maybe a tool that we could use,

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and on the sales tax it would raise close to half a million but I for one I'm

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not excited that our city will have the highest sales time I mean that'll be a

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story probably on most major news things so not not too excited about that

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especially if they you know and all of this doom and gloom and shredding of

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garments about our budget and we're going oh we got it it I think again you guys

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or discounting the public safety fund through the traffic

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cameras and the numbers that we've seen coming in and I have

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faith in our community that they will pass the MS Levy

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this time. We just have to, if we want to support our fire

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department, we just have to do that. So I know there will be a

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02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:43,560
number of us out there encouraging that passage. So with that

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I'll give one more chance, council, comments,

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otherwise we will move to our public comments.

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All right, Sharon Dammell.

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Thank you.

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Sharon Dammell, Michael Teo, I would just like to say

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I hope no council members actively work against the EMS

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levy this time as has happened in the past

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because I think it does need to be funded.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Delona Venduser.

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Yes, I would like to go on public record

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as sometimes use the phrase.

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I did hear very distinctly that regardless of whether the EMS levy passes that the two

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firefighter items will be funded.

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They will either be funded through the EMS levy

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from

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the 1.7 million that is projected

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to be raised fund, but regardless of that firefighting equipment will be funded.

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And that did not come up for me as a debatable item.

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So I just want it to go on record that that is what I heard and I'm sure if I

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myths heard somebody will correct me. As far as the local program I just want to

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give kind of an anecdotal example. I had one credit card company reach out to

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02:13:09,250 --> 02:13:14,590
me as they do every couple of years. Hey if you don't use us we'll go ahead and

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close you out. I did not want that to happen. And since Jack and I retired we do

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02:13:20,530 --> 02:13:28,090
consider ourselves debt-free, besides the local, you know, water, electricity, etc., and

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so I used that credit card to make a purchase and then my daughter and I went shopping

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02:13:32,590 --> 02:13:38,130
a couple of weekends ago and using my JC penny card afforded me a much better discount

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02:13:38,130 --> 02:13:43,650
coupon while having those two credit card payments that month, this last month, that

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really caused me some anxiety.

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So, yes, that's my family budget, but knowing that I had those small outstanding debts out there, which I paid off immediately, caused me stress.

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So, I for one and glad that we did not go for the local program. I agree with what the mayor said that when and if we discuss the purchase of the fire engine, that type of a purchase I can get behind.

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But other than that, I appreciate that we did not go down that path. Thank you.

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All right. Thank you, Ms. Venduzer. Elaine Nath.

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Hi. Elaine Nath, Michael Teo. I just wanted to say that I agree that we need to get our firefighters whatever it is.

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They need however we have to do it. Secondly, I don't mind paying a little extra in sales tax, especially if it's going to mean more staff down at the park.

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because down there this morning was an absolute disgrace.

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All of the trash cans, greasy piece of boxes,

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you went to go into the lighthouse,

1541
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and there was so much on the sidewalk,

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mayonnaise, cartons, bottles.

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It was an absolute disgrace.

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So I don't mind kicking up my sales tax a little bit

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if it's going to help.

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Now, get us appropriate staffing to keep our lighthouse park pretty. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Nell. Don Durant.

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02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:17,020
Just a couple items. Two real quick ones. Let

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us see what they are. Oh, so to the chargers, you know, I really don't care. But sitting in that audience, listening about how difficult the budget is and the calamity that apparently is coming in the foreseeable future.

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I can't get my head wrapped around the fact that the council is so comfortable with giving power away.

1550
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And again, I don't care. I don't drive a battery-powered car.

1551
02:15:50,610 --> 02:15:58,830
And so it doesn't make any difference to me, but it makes a difference to me as a resident to hear you guys agonizing about the budget

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02:15:58,830 --> 02:16:01,830
and then being so cavalier about giving away power.

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Now, I don't have any idea what it should charge, and I do believe that, I was going to say

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02:16:08,730 --> 02:16:14,690
councilmember Stoltz, that Mr. Stoltz does know that, and so I'm completely comfortable

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02:16:14,690 --> 02:16:19,730
with it, let us at least capturing the costs of the infrastructure.

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02:16:20,150 --> 02:16:22,930
Can we at least cover our costs?

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02:16:23,530 --> 02:16:25,690
That's it, we don't need to make a profit, okay.

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Parking tickets, you guys talked about that last week, just something to be aware of.

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02:16:30,370 --> 02:16:36,050
We raised parking tickets on my tour of duty and we got

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02:16:36,050 --> 02:16:38,670
summarily shafted by the municipal courts.

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So just one thing to keep in mind, they will only accept certain levels of parking tickets.

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If the parking ticket is too high, they will let the person go.

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So I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't raise them because it sounds like they're about

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the same levels they were when I left office.

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02:16:56,210 --> 02:17:07,150
but you probably wouldn't be able to double them unless you're going to find the communities around here have $50 parking charges and I doubt they do.

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So just be cognizant of that.

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You can do whatever you want but the courts are going to decide whether they enforce it or not.

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And so don't be out of control on that one.

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Any more public comment? Kevin Stoltz.

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You can when we're done I guess even though we passed council comments but I'll come back.

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I have a couple of questions about the ticket cameras and do we know what the threshold

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02:17:36,670 --> 02:17:43,430
is right now, I mean is it what was originally proposed at six miles an hour over in the

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02:17:43,430 --> 02:17:49,510
school zone in 11 everywhere else or is it something different, we know yeah we know

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02:17:49,510 --> 02:17:55,230
I'm kind of I'm kind of curious about that I haven't heard what it is and I'm also wondering

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02:17:55,230 --> 02:18:03,690
what is with the radar speed indicators, because I know the ones at OV used to go like 5 over,

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02:18:03,850 --> 02:18:12,030
like when you're 35, it used to start flashing the speed 5 over up until 40, and then it would

1577
02:18:12,030 --> 02:18:22,250
say slow down. Now, recently, if you're going 37 or 38, it just flashes slow down.

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If you go

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and the last time I went up there, it's not even working.

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And so, I'm not quite sure what, I know it's changed,

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and this probably has something to do with the ticket cameras,

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02:18:37,490 --> 02:18:44,510
but, you know, not having it there doesn't help the speed situation

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02:18:44,510 --> 02:18:48,070
when the school zone is not in effect, and it's still a problem

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02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:51,970
with people zooming up the hill and through that.

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02:18:51,970 --> 02:19:02,390
And also it seems like the one down on just past the bridge, the rare speed indicator there,

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02:19:02,970 --> 02:19:07,610
seems like it's kind of quirky too. So I'm just wondering if that has something to do

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02:19:07,610 --> 02:19:12,950
with the ticket cameras or if it's just another setting that needs to be tweaked.

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02:19:13,530 --> 02:19:18,850
Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Schultz. So anybody else like to address the council in your comments?

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That's okay. Councilmember Schultz.

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02:19:21,930 --> 02:19:22,330
Oh, thanks.

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And I'm going to actually just try to answer Mayor Durand's comment.

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02:19:29,670 --> 02:19:34,090
The hearing examiner now will handle most parking tickets, is that correct?

1593
02:19:34,830 --> 02:19:38,370
So they'll be along with the speeding tickets, right?

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02:19:38,550 --> 02:19:43,250
So the costs, we're not going through the Everett Municipal or anything like that, it'll

1595
02:19:43,250 --> 02:19:44,670
be this handled in-house, okay.

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02:19:44,990 --> 02:19:48,350
So I think that would help with the costs on that.

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02:19:48,350 --> 02:19:49,770
that you have some concerns on.

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02:19:50,010 --> 02:19:50,270
Thank you.

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02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:53,260
All right, since you're asking,

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Mr. Stoll, 6 and 11, that's still a red.

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02:19:58,080 --> 02:19:59,940
Okay, anything for staff comments?

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02:20:02,290 --> 02:20:03,650
Oh, I thought sure, just what?

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02:20:04,810 --> 02:20:05,610
Cole, you sure?

1604
02:20:06,330 --> 02:20:06,610
Okay.

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All right, then we are adjourned.