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Hi, Preston. How are you?

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» [clears throat]

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» I'll call you at least once.

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» Okay, I've got six o'clock. I would like

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to first start by welcoming everybody to

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the city of Nampa planning and zoning

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commission meeting August 25th, 2026.

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Um, can we have a roll call, please?

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>> Chairman Miller

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>> here.

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>> Thank you. Vice Chair Garner,

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absent.

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Commissioner Kho

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>> here.

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Commissioner Daffer

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absent.

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Commissioner Morgan

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Copeland

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absent. Commissioner Kirkman

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Turner

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Fi

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>> here.

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>> Thank you.

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» Looking. I'm looking. Where did he go?

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>> Who? He's right there behind the TV.

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>> Oh, [laughter] where did he go? I don't

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see him back there.

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>> Uh, Mr. Chair and Commissioners, Rodney

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Ashby, planning and zoning director. For

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the record, um, we had four uh, final

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plats that were approved by city council

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number two, Spring Hollow Ranch number

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six, Trestle Creek number one, and

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Reflections Edge number five. And then

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we had two public hearings. Uh the first

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one was for a variance for reduced front

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yard setback and um reduced landscape

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buffer requirements at an existing

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inhome daycare. And that was uh 3424

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East Greenhurst Road and that was uh

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approved. Um five in favor, one opposed.

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The next one was a zoning map amendment

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from BC to BN and RD

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uh and a development agreement and

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subdivision preliminary plat for Spring

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Shores Commons. Uh you recommended

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approval

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uh on J July 14th and the city council

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approved it on a three to three and then

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the mayor uh broke the tie and approved

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it.

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And that's all I have.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Ronnie. Appreciate it.

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» Take a motion.

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>> Oh, yeah. Sorry, Mr. Chair. I'll make a

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motion that we approve consent agenda.

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>> Second.

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It's been moved by Kirkman, seconded by

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Fiend to approve the consent agenda. All

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those in favor?

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>> Any opposed?

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Um, we will go ahead and move right into

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our public hearing portion of this

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meeting. Um, so the way it works, if you

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haven't been here before, uh, we will

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open the meeting up,

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uh, call the applicant up. They will

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have seven minutes to present what their

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thoughts and plans are to do with the

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piece of property. We'll then turn the

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time over to staff. They'll give us a

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report on facts and findings, and then

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we will open it up for public testimony.

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When you come to the mic, we would ask

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you to speak into the mic and give us

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your name and address for the record.

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It's really important uh for the records

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that we have that information and we

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don't want to stop you once you start.

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So, if you could try to remember that,

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it's it's helpful. Um each person will

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have three minutes per item. If you'd

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like to speak on each item, that's fine.

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You get three minutes each time you come

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up to the mic and speak. Um, if you just

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agree with what's already been said, we

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have no problem with you coming to the

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mic and saying, "I agree. You know,

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traffic's bad," whatever your thoughts

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are. Um, and then sit down and we'll

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take that to note and it'll be part of

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the record. So uh with that we will

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start with item 3-1 annexation and

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zoning to RD zoning district conditional

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use permit for duplexes

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subdivision preliminary plat and plan

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unit development for southside duplexes

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subdivision at 1111 Southside Boulevard

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for KBY Hillbig representing Enoch Amos

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Living Trust is the applicant

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>> [snorts]

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» Good evening um gentlemen of the

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commission. It's a pleasure to um

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present today. Uh my name is Mike

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Washburn with Focus Consulting. My

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address is 1001 North Rosario uh Sweet

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100 in Meridian, Idaho. Um, so we're

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here today to present the project at

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11-11 Southside Boulevard. Uh, this is a

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coordinated application for annexation,

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a PUD, a conditional use permit, and

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preliminary plat. And our goal with this

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project was to create an appropriate

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infill

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um for the property that responds to the

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uh surrounding neighborhood, the uh

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city's comprehensive plan and the unique

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configuration of this site. As you will

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see, I'm able to scroll on this.

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fast. There we go. Oh, out again.

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Um, this property sits along Southside

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Boulevard between some existing uh

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residential u neighborhoods on the west

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and some highdensity uh residential uh

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use going along Southside Boulevard. And

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this location is important because we

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see this property as really as a natural

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transition between the single family

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homes located on the west and the

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already high density uh use that's going

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along the corridor uh there.

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Okay. Uh this property is approximately

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3.98 acres um of underutilized property

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which includes an uninhabitable home. Uh currently um

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the comprehensive plan identifies this

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as a medium density and um so we're not

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proposing you know something to um go

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beyond that at this time. And uh within

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those we propose a uh a mix of duplexes

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and six family lots. Like I said,

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creating a transition between uh both

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sides where we have single family homes

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and higher density uh to the east. Um

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sort of our site plan and um a lot of

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thought and intentionality went into

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meeting with the neighbors of um this

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community and the surrounding uh land

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owners. Um even so is that they have um

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provided enough feedback where we

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actually uh pivoted and and listened to

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them and changed our initial proposal.

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Um so we replaced 14 duplexes and now

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have six single family lots um to match

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the existing use there on that side. Um

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we've put all the existing uh or the six

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family lots on the north side to kind of

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create a buffer some space there. Uh

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we've curved uh the public roadway there

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to you know provide kind of a more

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residential feel as well as for some

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traffic calming. Uh as far as parking

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goes, we are providing five additional

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than the 59 that were required. So we're

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not, you know, putting all the um

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parking on potentially uh the

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surrounding neighborhood. Uh we even met

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with a family. they had a a child that

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loved basketball and so hey we're going

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to we're going to throw in a basketball

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hoop in our property as well. Um and

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then also we've got the open space uh

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adjacent there to the uh property to the

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south. And then we're also um looking at

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those two lots on the west. We actually

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have a um a variance for those two lots.

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feet, but we're actually not reducing

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those lot sizes. We want to make them

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larger in order to fit with the um

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single family lots that already exist on

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the west over there. Um so the

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comprehensive plan um it's medium

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density residential. So the R six uh so

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the RS4 zone uh fits with that. Um the

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duplexes are supported uh through the

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conditional use permit process, you

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know, which gives the city the

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opportunity uh to evaluate compatibility

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with the surrounding development. Um and

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then with the PUD, um we see this as

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providing uh targeted flexibility for

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the site because of its unusual uh

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narrow constraints. you know, it's 130

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ft wide and it's almost 1500 feet long

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and uh we're really looking to um find

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some good use in that. We we feel like

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we've come up with a uh a great solution

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here. Um so the requested relief, like I

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said, it's a very long, very narrow

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site. So we would like to um have the

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rear setbacks reduced from 15t to 4T.

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And this allows the duplexes to sit uh

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inside uh this property. Uh the parking

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setback, we would go from 20 to zero to

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allow for covered parking. And as I

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mentioned before, the lot size

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exception. We want those two abuing lots

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to kind of fit with that uh existing

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single family neighborhood there to the

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renderings on the next uh few slides. Uh

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we just didn't want to make sure this

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was compatible on paper. We wanted to

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add some beauty and aesthetic to the

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surrounding neighborhood. Um, so the

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intent is kind of like a residential

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streetscape and these duplexes will have

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variations in colors and textures, uh,

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covered patios and really a nice

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emphasis on street presence for that

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area.

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the duplexes, covered parking.

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Who doesn't love a nice playground slash

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basketball hoop?

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uh, project here is these duplex, um,

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the unit design. Uh the the company that

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designs these is actually based in

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Caldwell. So we're, you know, we're

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wanting local uh Idaho in-house uh

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builders and manufacturers to contribute

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to the community. Um so steel uh steel

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structures, fire sprinklers, high

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efficiency, like I said, that uh

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appealing street presence.

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Uh with the staff findings, um

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we really found this to be in harmony

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with the the comprehensive plan.

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Speaking of that medium density

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residential,

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um the project also qualifies as infill

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because it's taking an uninhabitable

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unusable space and turning it into

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something for the community. Um police

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and fire services are readily available

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as well as sewer, water, and pressure

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irrigation.

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And overall, um, we believe this is a,

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you know, thoughtful infill project that

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will take a space that is currently, um,

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underutilized and kind of an eyesore

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there with the the abandoned house and

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provide, uh, some housing and some, um,

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just aesthetic appeal to the

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neighborhood as well. uh the PUD

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flexibility is there to not so that we

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can maximize lots on the site but that

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we can work with the constraints of this

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unique site and really make something um

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viable there for the community. So

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that is all.

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>> We'll call you back up. We have

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questions a little later. Okay. Thank

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you,

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Miss Fry.

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We're up.

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Okay. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and

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commissioners. My name is Candace Fry,

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associate planner for the city of Nampa.

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The request before you this evening is

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an annexation and zoning to RS4 single

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family residential. The RD was a typo,

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but we did send out corrected notices,

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and the sign was corrected as well.

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Conditional use permit for the duplexes,

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a subdivision preliminary plat, and a

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planned unit development for southside

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duplexes. The original concept is 19

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residential lots, including six single

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family detached homes and 13 two-unit

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dup duplex dwellings with reduced rear

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yard duplex setbacks to 4 feet and

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reduced duplex front setback to zero for

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the garages and the carports.

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Property details. This parcel is

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currently under Canyon County

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jurisdiction. The surrounding zoning to

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the north is Canyon County. To the south

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is RD two family residential. To the

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west is RS6 single family residential

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and to the east is Canyon County and RML

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limited multifamily residential.

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Comprehensive plan designates this area

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as medium density residential. The

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surrounding land use designation. The

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adjacent parcels are currently

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designated as medium density residential

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and some commercial to the east. Here

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is a copy of the preliminary plat

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and then a lot of applicable

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regulations. So the first one is for

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annexation Idaho state code title

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50-2225

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and NA city code title 10 chapter 2 4C

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outline the requirements for annexation

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with consent of property owners

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specifically those four. You have seen

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them before but they are here again for

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reference.

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And then the zoning. So 1023.C

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conclusions of law pertinent to proposed

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zoning map amendments. And then NA city

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code title 10 chapter 8 the RS zoning

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district single family residential and

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then chapter 27-1.C

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which is the subdivision code.

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even more applicable regulations.

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This is for the conditional use permit.

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So, chapter 25 of title 10 talks about

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the conditional use permit and then the

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conditional use permit criteria is below

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for your reference as well.

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All right. Title 10, chapter 26 is the

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plan unit development chapter and then

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they also have under 1026-4.b

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be the bulk requirements. The bulk

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requirements that would otherwise be

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applicable to a project developed in a

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given zone wherein a PUD is proposed

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slashallowed may be altered by the

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commission as a part of the PUD review

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and approval process. And then at the

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very bottom it is 1026-4.b.2.

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Parking space clearance that talks about

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the garage and carports shall be no

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closer to the street or alley than 20

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ft.

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I think we're done with that one.

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Correspondence. No public comments were

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received. The Nampa Fire District does

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not oppose the application subject to

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compliance with code requirements and

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conditions of approval as noted in the

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attached memo in your staff report.

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Nampa engineering division engineering

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provided general water and sewer

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comments also provided standard comments

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regarding access and traffic and then

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their attached memo is in the staff

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report as well. The Nampa Police

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Department Nampa PD projects future

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service needs based on the overall

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population

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density and development type. Southside

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Duplexes is projected to add 77 new

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residents to the city of Nampa's current

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population.

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Therefore, Nampa PD is recommending a

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commitment to fund 0.1 additional

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officers and 0.05 additional support

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staff if this project is approved to

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maintain current police levels.

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So, a lot in the staff analysis. So, I

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will dig in. According to the

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comprehensive plan, we do have a section

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for infill development. So, infill

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development is the process of developing

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vacant or underused parcels within the

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city. Infill development allows the

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utilization of existing community

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services such as water and sewer rather

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than constructing new facilities in

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areas that have not been developed in

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city limits. police and fire services

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areas wouldn't need to be extended and

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in addition infill development can and

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then I have listed that out here.

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Oops.

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And then way down at the bottom is Nampa

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City Code 1032,

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which is our land use chart. So in the

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RS zone, dwelling single family homes is

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a permitted use in the RS zoning

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district and then duplexes require a

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conditional use permit in the RS zoning

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district.

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So here 1085-

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A is the spatial and bulk requirements

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for principal structures and accessory

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structures. So I do have the setbacks

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listed here. So in the front it's 20 to

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the garage and then 15 to the living

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area. And then the sides are 5 ft and

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then the rear setbacks are 15 ft.

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And then the applicant is requesting

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those reduced rear yard setbacks. They

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are requesting to reduce the setback

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from 15 ft for rear setbacks for st for

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standard buildable lots to four feet.

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And then I'd like to also mention that reduced setback is only for the

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duplex lots. It is not for the single

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family homes. Those will follow the

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standard setbacks.

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1085.B

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is the density requirements and lot

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sizes. So the lot sizes in the RS4 zone

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range from 4,000 to 8,000 square ft. The

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lot sizes for this project range from

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4,323

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square ft to 8,817

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square ft. There are two lots that

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exceed the 8,000 square ft maximum lot

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size. Block one, lot three and block

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one, lot two is included in the

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exception request. City council will

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make the final decision for this

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exception request. And then density.

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Medium density residential designation

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has a density range of 2 and 12 to eight

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dwelling units an acre. This project is

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proposing a total of 32 residential

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units on 4 acres. The overall density

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for this project will be eight dwelling

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units an acre.

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And then the parking. So 1022-6

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talks [clears throat] about the number

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of spaces required. So single family

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homes in the RS zone require two parking

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spots and one of them shall be covered.

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And then each they mentioned staff staff

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the applicant mentioned that all of the

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duplexes will be two bedrooms. So doing

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the math according to city code they

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would need a minimum of 71 parking

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spaces. And after confirming with the

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applicant there has been a change and

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it's highlighted here and then later on

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in the facts for your reference they

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have clarified that the 70 they are

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providing 76 parking spaces which is

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more than the minimum that is required.

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There was a mention of I believe it was

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64 that was for the duplexes only. So,

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we did add once we did the math again

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for the single family homes, they were

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over that minimum requirement.

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And then parking setback reduction. So,

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Nampa City Code 10264.B.2

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requires garages and carports to be no

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closer than 20 ft to the street.

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However, the applicant is requesting for

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the duplex lots to be located directly

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adjacent to the internal road with no

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setback.

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the open space requirements. So 10276N.2

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developments with a gross acreage of 2

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to 4.99 acres need to provide at least

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10% of the total gross parcel area for

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qualified open space. This project is

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proposing to provide 0.48 acres or 12%

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of qualified open space. And then some

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of the amenities that they listed in

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their narrative was a barbecue area, a

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shaded structure, a tot lot, and then as

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you heard tonight, a basketball hoop.

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And then landscaping 1033-4

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C3.A

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is the landscape buffer for a single

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family residential subdivision. So, a

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25- foot landscape buffer will be

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required along Southside Boulevard and a

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landscape plan will be reviewed to meet

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code requirements with the building

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permit.

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And then I do have here as well as in

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the staff report the PUD request and the

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elements. So, I did take all of the

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information from the PUD code and how it

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applied to their project and what they

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were requesting to make it a little

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easier to read, but I will try and speed

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through it if I can. So, 10264.b.1

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B.1 is building separation and it they

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shall meet current adopted international

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building code and then the applicant has

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indicated that all structures will meet

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building code separation requirements

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and then staff has no issues. The

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building department will review each

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permit for compliance with code. And

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then 1026-4.b.2

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is parking space clearance. So that one

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again talks about the 20 ft for garages

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and carports. They can't be any closer

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than the 20 ft. However, the applicant

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is requesting relief from the 20ft

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garage/carport

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setback. And then the covered carports

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and open parking stalls on the duplex

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lots are proposed directly adjacent to

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the internal road with no setback. The

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single family homes will follow the

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standard setback requirements for the RS

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zone. And then city code does require

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that there will be a 20 foot setback

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from the front property line. 10264.b3

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is regarding access. So access to a

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public street is assured to each and

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every building lot by direct access. And

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then the applicant has stated that

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access to a public street is assured to

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each building lot by direct frontage on

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the internal public road. And then

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10264.B.4

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is the height of the buildings. So in

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the PUB code, you can if you would like

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request to extend two stories above the

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limitation of the zone

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in which it is located only when the

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zone does not above a single family

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resident, residential subdivision,

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residential zoning district or lower

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medium density residential land use

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designation on the future land use map.

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And then the applicant has stated in

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their narrative that all buildings will

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be two stories. The building heights

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will not exceed the RS zone height

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limitations.

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And then 1026-4.C.2

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is the buildable lot size and density

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requirements. So you may new lots

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created on or after October 4, 2021 by a

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lot split or through a subdivision of

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the land must conform to the minimum and

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maximum lot size and density

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requirements established for the zoning

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district assigned to that parcel or as

550
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:12,320
approved through a PUD in order to be

551
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,279
considered a buildable lot. So again,

552
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,440
the applicant is requesting an exception

553
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,399
to the maximum lot size in the RS zone

554
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:23,679
for block one, lots two and three. The

555
00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:25,760
exception request will ultimately be up

556
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,880
to city council whether to approve or

557
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,960
not. So block one, lot two is only above

558
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,520
the maximum lot size requirement by four

559
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,520
feet or square feet. And then lot three,

560
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,159
block one, is over the 8,000 square foot

561
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:46,880
maximum by 817 square feet.

562
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,600
10264.B

563
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,159
talks about the bulk requirements and so

564
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,320
that could be setbacks, property depth,

565
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,000
property width, building height,

566
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,399
density, and street frontage. So they

567
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,559
are requesting that reduced rear yard

568
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,279
setback. And then the PUB code allows

569
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,600
for the commission to allow deviations

570
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,919
from the setback lot sizes, property

571
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:11,760
death, so on and so forth with one

572
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,000
without one or more variance application

573
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,080
permits being required. So that's why

574
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,320
they are requesting it through a PUD,

575
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880
not a variance.

576
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600
And then I have at the very bottom 102

577
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,120
1022-6

578
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,520
which is the parking. And then I do have

579
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,600
that corrected here as well that they

580
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,520
are providing 76 parking spaces instead

581
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,080
of that 64. So they are above the

582
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,039
minimum requirement.

583
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:48,310
So findings for RS4 zoning to RS4

584
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,720
and then

585
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,360
findings for annexation. So, the

586
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,520
proposed zoning map amendment for the

587
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,520
parcel listed is in harmony with the

588
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080
comprehensive plan because it proposes a

589
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,880
zone of RS that is allowed in the

590
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,640
designation of medium density

591
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,279
residential on the future land use map

592
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,799
and complies with the principles

593
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,440
outlined in the comprehensive plan. The

594
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,360
future land use map was established

595
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,240
after thoroughly analyzing land uses for

596
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
compatibility. The project provides a

597
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,559
set of uses that would be reasonably

598
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,120
compatible adjoining property because

599
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,240
the existing uses are all proposed are

600
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,039
residential and it is in the public's

601
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,799
best interest and reasonably necessary

602
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,360
because it will extend city utilities.

603
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760
It will install frontage improvements

604
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,440
and it is compatible with the

605
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,240
surrounding uses and it will comply with

606
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,919
adopted city codes.

607
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:46,559
more findings and then even more

608
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,200
findings for the conditional use permit.

609
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,440
So weighing the facts in department and

610
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,159
agency input, the proposed use is again

611
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,880
supported by the comprehensive plan. It

612
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,600
is near major transportation corridors

613
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,200
and it meets the goals and strategies

614
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,399
for economic development. The use is

615
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,120
making efficient use of vacant parcels

616
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,600
and it will not adversely impact the

617
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,080
intended character and appearance of the

618
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240
general vicinity through design,

619
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,480
construction, operation and maintenance

620
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,399
and will not be detrimental to the

621
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:20,799
economic welfare of the community. It

622
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,200
will be adding dwelling units to an area

623
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840
adequately served by transportation,

624
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,960
jobs, and educational opportunities. The

625
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,799
proposed development will not involve

626
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,320
activities

627
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,559
or processes, materials, equipment, or

628
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,480
conditions of operation that will be

629
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,799
detrimental to any persons, property, or

630
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,360
general welfare by reason of excessive

631
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,760
traffic, noise, smoke, fume, glares, or

632
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,120
odors because it is it has access to

633
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,000
adequate utility and emergency services.

634
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,760
It must follow all city codes and

635
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,559
standards at the time of development,

636
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,360
including building permits, design

637
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,159
review, signage, landscaping, all of

638
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:02,880
those.

639
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,039
Here are the recommended conditions of

640
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,440
approval and any others that the

641
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,799
commission wishes to add.

642
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,720
Here are your potential motions and I

643
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,470
will stand for any questions.

644
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,679
» Questions? Yeah, Mr. Chair, make I want

645
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,559
to make sure I follow this parking. So,

646
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,600
how many parking stalls are required

647
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,320
from just the duplexes?

648
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,870
>> 52.

649
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,559
» That's what my math says.

650
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,480
>> And and it wasn't clear to me if guest

651
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,720
parking required for duplexes or just

652
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:48,630
multif family like apartments.

653
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Mr. Chairman and Commissioner

654
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,039
Morgan. So, parking. Well, maybe

655
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,320
Christie has something to say.

656
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,360
>> Way to hesitate.

657
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,640
>> I want to take the spotlight. [laughter]

658
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,279
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, and Mr.

659
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:09,279
Morgan. The um parking chapter outlines

660
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,159
a two family development

661
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:15,760
has to have the 2.5 parking spaces. So,

662
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,760
anything that includes more than one or

663
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840
two duplexes is considered a

664
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,760
development. So, it would have to

665
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,760
provide the 2.5 for the duplexes.

666
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:30,640
>> 0.25 per unit. So, we're at 52 + 7. So,

667
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,200
that's 59.

668
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,480
>> They're providing 64

669
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,080
>> 60.

670
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,440
Okay.

671
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,440
And they're I guess what I was driving

672
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840
at is they're not counting parking in

673
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,799
front of the single family residences to

674
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,760
meet the requirements for the duplexes.

675
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,919
>> Um Commissioner Morgan, not to my

676
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,360
knowledge, they're not. They're using

677
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,039
the single family homes have their own

678
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,279
parking garages, all of that. And then

679
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:58,880
everything else is separated with the

680
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720
duplexes.

681
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,480
>> That's what I thought. I just the map

682
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,640
wasn't

683
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:11,669
>> not my strong suit.

684
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,560
Uh Mr. Yeah. Sorry, one quick question

685
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,159
if you know and maybe the applicant

686
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,159
would know this, but how much space

687
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:29,190
after the

688
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,960
weigh? I mean, how much without the 20

689
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,800
foot setback?

690
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,470
You know,

691
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,159
» Daniel's going to tell us to

692
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,119
>> anything that has to [clears throat] do

693
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,079
with wheels. Uh, Mr. Chair, Commissioner

694
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,159
Kirkman, uh, the way the preliminary

695
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,560
plat shows it, they would have and and

696
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,240
one of the conditions that we placed on

697
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,040
there that there would be a um valley

698
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,919
gutter or ribbon curb delineating the

699
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:59,359
public roadway from the parking area. um

700
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:02,720
they would be proposing a zero setback

701
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,359
there. And so there would not be between

702
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,839
the public roadway and the the parking

703
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,320
area. There would not necessarily be any

704
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,560
um area. They are proposing to put the

705
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,720
public sidewalk in front of those

706
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,640
parking areas so that you don't have

707
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000
people walking behind them um when

708
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,800
they're trying to pull out. Um, with

709
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,200
that being the case, um, it would be

710
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,240
similar to, um, some of the angled

711
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,920
parking we have downtown. Other than

712
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,040
this would be, uh, perpendicular. Um,

713
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,040
and so that's that's the way that

714
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,560
they've shown it on their preliminary

715
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,119
plat.

716
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:40,480
>> So, they [clears throat] were backing

717
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,400
out, they'd back in. They'd back up.

718
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,320
They'd back out right into the public

719
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,960
roadway.

720
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,480
>> Just just like any single family

721
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,720
residential would do. it would just be

722
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,760
their parking location would be there um

723
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,760
right next to the roadway rather than

724
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,800
separated by a sidewalk. Um but it it

725
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,560
would be no different than me pulling

726
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,520
out of my driveway at at my house.

727
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,400
>> So if I had a vehicle that was bigger

728
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
than 20 ft, would I be ticketed for

729
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,800
parking there?

730
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,160
>> Um if if you were overhanging into the

731
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,040
roadway, that would be an issue. But I

732
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,560
can't back in because then my hitch

733
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,400
hangs over the sidewalk. So I'd get a

734
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,440
ticket for that.

735
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,480
>> So the the size of vehicle may play into

736
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,720
who should buy these properties if

737
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:25,359
approved.

738
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:26,160
>> That's what I [clears throat] was going

739
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,960
to say.

740
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,760
>> Okay.

741
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,000
>> Thank you.

742
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,670
Other questions?

743
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,359
Um,

744
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:44,480
usually I kind of glance over because

745
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,920
it's always kind of pretty apparent on

746
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,599
the fire turnarounds and what the fire

747
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,240
department asked for.

748
00:36:52,240 --> 00:37:05,270
Daniel,

749
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,280
sorry. Got to get back to Okay. So the

750
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,720
this the you would have your access on

751
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,119
um southside and then there is a stub

752
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,400
street that was in installed with the um

753
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,720
Taylor sub or Eagleclaw subdivision

754
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,880
Taylor Street that they would connect

755
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,119
onto and so there would be no need for a

756
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,359
turnaround there. The fire would have

757
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:30,000
fire and the public would have access um

758
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,800
in and through through multiple public

759
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
streets.

760
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,960
So this will connect to the existing

761
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440
>> that is the proposal and what what staff

762
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,480
has uh that is the purpose of that

763
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,680
street being there. Um and so staff has

764
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,839
made that recommendation that that that

765
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:50,320
connection is required.

766
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:56,390
>> Okay. Thank you.

767
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,320
» Else good right now.

768
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Okay. I think that's it.

769
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Uh, madam clerk, do we have a signup

770
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,400
sheet? Okay,

771
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,826
>> thank you. Calling Lenita Canavves.

772
00:38:13,836 --> 00:38:25,030
[clears throat]

773
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Good evening. My name is Lenita Knavey

774
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,040
and I live at 2810 Taylor Court and that

775
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,000
piece of property

776
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,800
um my backyard would face the single

777
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,320
family home area

778
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,000
and my concern is

779
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200
um number one that our neighborhood

780
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,560
which is just really three streets it's

781
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,359
Georgia Taylor and then Taylor port

782
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,240
which I live on,

783
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,880
they have no sidewalks.

784
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,760
So the children because it's such a

785
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,760
quiet area, the children play in the

786
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,920
streets

787
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,079
because there's no sidewalks to walk on.

788
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,680
So they're riding their bikes on the

789
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,680
streets

790
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,320
and they're planning on, if I have this

791
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,682
right, sorry I knocked over your

792
00:39:18,682 --> 00:39:19,280
[clears throat] gabble.

793
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,040
>> You're good. um they're planning on um

794
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,960
busting out Taylor Street to go into

795
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,400
their area. Correct.

796
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,200
And so,

797
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,400
um to give you an example, we had one

798
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,960
high-speed chase that came through our

799
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,599
neighborhood because the weird driver

800
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,400
didn't realize he was going to come into

801
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,200
a nonac. the police had to chase him.

802
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,599
In my piece of property in the front, I

803
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,640
have three boulders, you know, or

804
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,000
several boulders that are right next to

805
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,960
the property.

806
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,560
And um the guy knocked one boulder over

807
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,240
and

808
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,880
matched up his car and kept on going.

809
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,240
Anyway, the police finally came back and

810
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,349
um wanted to make sure we were all okay.

811
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:19,040
Well, these kind of things scare me

812
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,839
because this can happen because now

813
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,240
we're going to have access. Well, the

814
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,119
other night, I don't know what happened,

815
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,200
but Saturday night, somebody came

816
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,760
through in the middle of the night,

817
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,680
knocked one of those boulders, and I'm

818
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,680
kidding, these are big. I couldn't even

819
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,160
move it five feet into my front yard,

820
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,800
and my neighbor had to push it back for

821
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,359
me. So these are the things that worry

822
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:49,680
me about opening that up and the speed.

823
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,720
Also what worries me is my property

824
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,920
that faces that area. It's all, you

825
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,839
know, it's all country back there right

826
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,359
now.

827
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:06,079
And on the other side of that skinny

828
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,359
place where they're going to put all

829
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,160
these houses, on the other side of that

830
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,839
is

831
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:14,400
a cow ranch.

832
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,880
So I just have

833
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,280
a little horse fence, you know, that you

834
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,400
can see through. So my request is that

835
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,200
there be a wall

836
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,680
so no one can see into my property.

837
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,040
And that would be my number one request

838
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,480
because that would be frightening to me

839
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
to have all those people and all those

840
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040
duplexes and everything being able to

841
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,160
have access to my property.

842
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,720
So,

843
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,839
>> okay. Thank you.

844
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:48,079
>> Those are my concerns.

845
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:49,839
>> Okay, we'll ask the questions for you.

846
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:52,400
And I'm concerned about the traffic

847
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,800
coming through there

848
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,200
tonight. Trying to get through onto

849
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Southside just from Georgia took me a

850
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,000
while because Southside is really busy

851
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,560
now because we have the other apartments

852
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,079
now.

853
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,880
And this is just a Southside's just a

854
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
little street, you know, it's becoming a

855
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,359
highway.

856
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:15,200
So [clears throat] that's something the

857
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,280
city needs to think about.

858
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,760
>> Thank you. That's your time.

859
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Okay, next

860
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:34,150
>> Andre Soliv.

861
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,160
» Good evening. My name is Andre Solivi. I

862
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,480
live at 1119

863
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,040
South Taylor Street.

864
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,760
Uh the concerns I have is it's nice that

865
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,359
you know my kid wants the basketball

866
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:48,960
court but he's 12 and he doesn't realize

867
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,200
the danger of all the traffic like when

868
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
mentioned before there's no sidewalks.

869
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,000
All of our kids just get outside, ride

870
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,040
their bikes, play play ball, play

871
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,480
basketball right now outside on the

872
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,560
streets. So if that street is going to

873
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,160
be through street, I mean we're going to

874
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,119
get a lot more traffic. Um the home I

875
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,560
live in has been in our family since

876
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,240
2007. It's been quiet neighborhood. No

877
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,800
extra traffic coming in, coming out. And

878
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,520
you know, just now realizing that we

879
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,920
cannot let our kids go in the front

880
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000
yard, you know, pretty much just, hey,

881
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,119
make sure you play in the backyard. Um,

882
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,000
we take our kid to private school every

883
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
morning and leaving from Georgia Street

884
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,960
to southside sometimes can be 3, five

885
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,280
minutes wait. There's a lot of school

886
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,359
buses stopped right in front of the new

887
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,359
um town homes or apartments, whatever

888
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:42,240
there is, and sometimes impossible

889
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,480
leaving. So, with that adding an extra

890
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,599
street, [clears throat]

891
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,119
it's just going to create even more

892
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,240
traffic. Um it's going to be disaster

893
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,520
because some of those people going to,

894
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,599
you know, try to exit the other way

895
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,520
whichever they go. So, that's that's our

896
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,560
concerns is um safety, traffic. Um like

897
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,800
mentioned before, southside has been

898
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,839
nothing but like like a highway lately.

899
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:09,280
Um I you know I know sooner or later

900
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,280
it's going to have to be built no matter

901
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,240
what. But if it gets continued with like

902
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,920
sizes we have you know close to half an

903
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,920
acre lots under I'm sure you know

904
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,240
everybody's going to be fine with that.

905
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,640
But on a 4 acre lot I mean if you just

906
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,040
going to bring more people that already

907
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,040
live in a whole subdivision it's just

908
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,190
going to be a disaster.

909
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,870
Thank you. Appreciate it.

910
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,800
» No one further has submitted public

911
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,720
testimony for this topic.

912
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,040
>> Okay. Is there anyone else that would

913
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,119
like to speak for, against, or undecided

914
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,150
on this item?

915
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,680
Okay. Mr. Washburn, would you like to

916
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,599
come back up

917
00:44:53,599 --> 00:45:23,589
answer some questions for us?

918
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,640
Mr. Chairman and uh commission members,

919
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,839
um firstly, we want to address um I

920
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:32,319
believe it was Anita. Um we're willing

921
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:34,560
to put in a sixoot fence. You know, I

922
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,440
think we had plans for that um fence

923
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,800
along there uh in our preliminary plat.

924
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,520
and um she currently as it sits will be

925
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,839
abuing the open space park and there

926
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:47,839
will be lots of uh trees growing into

927
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:51,040
mature trees eventually. So we don't um

928
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,359
foresee an issue of privacy there in the

929
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:56,960
long run. And for Andre um

930
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,800
uh it says he didn't want a neighbor

931
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,200
directly next to him. So we put uh an

932
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,160
open space as a buffer um behind his lot

933
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,319
as well. And that um

934
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:11,760
yes, that is all I have.

935
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,720
>> We have questions.

936
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,599
>> Yeah, Mr. Chair. Um the fence, what type

937
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,119
of fence?

938
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:18,480
>> You just said a fence. I was just

939
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,680
wondering if you could clarify what

940
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:19,920
type.

941
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,359
>> Yeah, it will be a vinyl fence.

942
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:23,440
>> Okay. So, a vinyl privacy fence, not a

943
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,160
chain link.

944
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:24,560
>> Correct.

945
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:24,960
>> Okay.

946
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,990
>> Yes. [laughter]

947
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,589
» Anybody else?

948
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,520
Okay, I think that's all we have for

949
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,240
you. Thank you.

950
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,599
>> Motion to close public hearing.

951
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,240
>> So moved. [cough]

952
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,119
Been moved by Commissioner Kirkman,

953
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,720
seconded by Kho to close the public

954
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,400
hearing. All those in favor?

955
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,880
>> I.

956
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,839
>> Any opposed? Okay. Public testimony

957
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:54,640
portions closed.

958
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:01,270
What are our thoughts?

959
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200
My thought is if this passes, I hope

960
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,440
they give that abandoned house to the

961
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,800
fire department and let the fire

962
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,200
department burn it down for training.

963
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,280
>> Yeah, no kidding.

964
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,640
>> Such an eyesore there.

965
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,800
>> Oh,

966
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,359
>> I think this is a, you know, it's a very

967
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:20,319
unique piece of land there. Yeah,

968
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:21,200
extremely

969
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,280
>> challenging to do something with, but I like the design and I like the

970
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,599
accommodations that the applicant has

971
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,880
made to some of the concerns that were brought forward. I know it didn't

972
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,400
alleviate all of them, but I think

973
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,119
they've mitigated um [clears throat]

974
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,640
uh most of them with the open space and

975
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,520
putting the multifamily the duplexes

976
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,160
down at the other end where there's no

977
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
homes. And anyway, so I I think it's a

978
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,359
great infill project for this particular

979
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,599
I'm not particularly happy right there

980
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:55,599
at Southside because it that goes right

981
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:56,960
around the corner there and it's almost

982
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,119
a blind corner when you have some of

983
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:00,560
that traffic coming out of the

984
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,400
apartments and some other developments

985
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,119
there. But we just have to drive more

986
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:11,270
carefully, I guess.

987
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,240
» Mr. Chair, I got I got a couple of

988
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,839
thoughts. And not sure [clears throat]

989
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:19,680
which way I want to go on this, but

990
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,000
4 foot backyards is nothing. And I mean,

991
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,760
granted, there's some open space, play

992
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,720
areas for the kids, but moms can't be

993
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,400
down there constantly with the kids.

994
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,640
They've still got to do laundry and

995
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,720
dishes and

996
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,119
cook meals. And the kids don't have a

997
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,559
place to play out back. I mean, four

998
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,359
foot. I'm 63 and I would I couldn't even

999
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:44,319
lay down in the stupid thing. So I I I'm

1000
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:45,760
really struggling with that 4 foot

1001
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,000
because that that just there's nothing

1002
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,680
back there. Typically the town houses

1003
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,920
don't do much. They don't have much of a

1004
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,040
backyard anyway, but 4 foot is nothing.

1005
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,240
And then I I start to have concerns with

1006
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,680
that property to the south

1007
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,359
when somebody goes to develop that and

1008
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:07,440
they've got a 4 foot

1009
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,880
>> to a two-story building.

1010
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,440
>> Yeah. It's going to I know this is a

1011
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,760
very dis difficult lot to try to do

1012
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,440
something with because it is so long and

1013
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,200
skinny and I'd love I'm like Jeff I'd

1014
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,920
love to see that old

1015
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,760
thing burned down or tore down or

1016
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,599
something because I get to drive by it

1017
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,160
at least twice a day like you do. So it

1018
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,800
would be nice to see it gone. But I I

1019
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,760
think that man that 4 foot and it's

1020
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,680
going to make that south property to the

1021
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,800
south difficult to do something with

1022
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,960
down the road. So I that kind of bothers

1023
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,800
me with what what could happen there.

1024
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,880
And I think it's saying 4 foot and then

1025
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,680
you got a two-story building and I think my thought my thought with that

1026
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,000
is you know yes the 4 foot but then you

1027
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,440
got no front yard either.

1028
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
>> Yeah. Neither. Yeah. You have no place

1029
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,079
for

1030
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,680
>> a sidewalk in front of the place and

1031
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,559
then a 4 foot.

1032
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,559
>> Yeah. It's just like if you're the kind

1033
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,480
of person who has a vehicle longer than

1034
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,160
20 foot, maybe you won't live here. And

1035
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,280
if you're the kind of person that wants

1036
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,559
a front and backyard, you won't live

1037
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:07,440
here either.

1038
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
>> I guess there's some of that, too. It is

1039
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,119
just a two-bedroom, multiple bedroom.

1040
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,190
So,

1041
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,710
» that's my thoughts for now.

1042
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,400
» Daniel, go ahead. Sorry.

1043
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,000
>> Sorry. Uh, I agree with both

1044
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,559
other commissioners that the the lot is

1045
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,440
extremely unusual.

1046
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,559
Bowling alley is about the only thing

1047
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,119
that would fit in here,

1048
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:36,880
but uh don't have too many outdoor

1049
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,599
bowling alleys.

1050
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:45,270
And the parking situation

1051
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,720
doesn't leave a lot to be desired

1052
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:50,069
either.

1053
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,480
The answer, I guess, is just

1054
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,520
don't like it when you look at it, don't

1055
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,520
rent or buy there and you'd be all

1056
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,440
right. So,

1057
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,880
tough choice to make, but I would say I

1058
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,839
would be in favor of it.

1059
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:06,880
But it looks like we have a

1060
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,839
comment.

1061
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:08,800
>> I have a question.

1062
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,920
>> Question. So, in a situation like this

1063
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,680
where we are potentially tying into an

1064
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,960
older older subdivision um with no

1065
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,559
sidewalks,

1066
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,200
is there something that the developer

1067
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,160
could do that the city could do as like

1068
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,880
a traffic calming?

1069
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Um there is certainly um

1070
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,760
that could be a condition that was

1071
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,520
placed on it that they install traffic

1072
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,800
calming along Taylor and Georgia. Um if

1073
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,839
that's a concern, um that would likely

1074
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:49,359
look like um speed humps along that. Um

1075
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:51,040
typically

1076
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,000
um when we look at

1077
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,160
um

1078
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,040
these types of things, my recommendation

1079
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,880
would be um that we collect speed data

1080
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,800
on Georgia and probably not Taylor just

1081
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,680
because of its length, but on Georgia to

1082
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,240
prior to the development going in and

1083
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,400
the condition be placed that those

1084
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,800
evaluations are done and then say at the

1085
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,839
point where 50% of the the homes in that

1086
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:23,920
development are owner occupi or

1087
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,480
occupied, we go back and redo that

1088
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,839
evaluation and that the developer has um

1089
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,319
designed and bonded for those traffic

1090
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:34,000
calming improvements in the other

1091
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,599
subdivision. But we only do them if if

1092
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:42,559
that those speeds um are have now

1093
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,119
warranted it um more than they did

1094
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,680
previously. If the if the residents of a

1095
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,960
existing subdivision are going 25 miles

1096
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,040
an hour, you know, is their typical

1097
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,000
speed, the development goes in, that

1098
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,359
continues to be the same situation. Um,

1099
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,680
the volumes we would be talking about

1100
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,359
increasing there um would not warrant

1101
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:08,240
that unless the speeds significantly

1102
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:08,880
increased.

1103
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,880
>> Speeds increase to 45, then it's a

1104
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:11,680
different conversation.

1105
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,319
>> Yeah. I mean, even if they increase to

1106
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:17,200
30 at that point, then yes, it's it it's

1107
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,480
had an impact. Um, if the though if

1108
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960
those speeds stay the same as they were

1109
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,200
pre-development, um, at that point, it

1110
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,520
probably doesn't warrant putting in um,

1111
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,599
those. Um, but that's kind of the

1112
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,599
evaluation. If if that's something

1113
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,839
you're inclined to place as a condition,

1114
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:36,480
my recommendation would be that um, it's

1115
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,400
a condition that those speeds are

1116
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,040
evaluated prior to the development. Um

1117
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,359
and the developer is required to um

1118
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:48,720
design and bond for those improvements

1119
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,160
uh to then be installed say after 50%

1120
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,640
occupancy and a re-evaluation to

1121
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,400
determine if it's appropriate.

1122
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,119
>> Okay.

1123
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:58,640
>> That's still not going to account for

1124
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,400
the guy running from the cops and

1125
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,119
running

1126
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,599
>> and those those are outliers that you

1127
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,440
know as much as I would love to be able

1128
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,280
to account for those I I don't I don't

1129
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,680
have a way to do that. I I had the

1130
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,280
street I grew up in, we had a we had one

1131
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,079
of the very nice cross drains that um

1132
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,000
would take out a transmission and we had

1133
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,160
a guy running from the cops when I was a

1134
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,160
kid and took out his transmission and

1135
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,160
had to get out of the car to run from

1136
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,280
him continually.

1137
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,150
>> How many transmissions did you lose?

1138
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,440
» Thank you, Daniel. Appreciate it.

1139
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,760
>> Any other questions or comments? Go

1140
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,520
ahead. Um,

1141
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,000
I like the idea of getting in some

1142
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,280
housing, um, diversity and continuing to

1143
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,520
do that in this area. Um, we need

1144
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,599
continue to have that supply in order to

1145
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,720
keep prices where we want them.

1146
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,559
I think this is as good of a design as

1147
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,680
you can do on this type of a lot.

1148
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,559
I however am concerned with the 4 foot

1149
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,040
setback and having a if it was a

1150
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,200
one-story building maybe I don't think

1151
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
it would bother me as much but having

1152
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,160
5 foot tall

1153
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,040
structure 4t away if I were to make a

1154
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,400
motion I would approve all of it except

1155
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,480
for that exemption

1156
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,119
>> what would you do though

1157
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,920
the applicant to do building shorter

1158
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,549
>> well

1159
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:33,520
Mr. Chair, in response to Commissioner Morgan's

1160
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,839
comment, I I agree. I had a nextdoor

1161
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,880
neighbor who had uh it was probably a

1162
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,559
six-foot backyard. And when she was

1163
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,319
building her house, we thought she was

1164
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:44,960
nuts to put in

1165
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,720
uh but she only needed three strips of

1166
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:48,799
grass too, saw when she put that in

1167
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:52,000
there. Um but it was small. We couldn't

1168
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,839
believe it was right up next to the in a normal subdivision. I don't know

1169
00:55:57,839 --> 00:55:59,440
that

1170
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,760
we can make a decision or at least for

1171
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,440
me anyways, my opinion can make a

1172
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,119
decision based on what might be south of

1173
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,760
this. We'd have to address that when

1174
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,319
that or if that would ever come up and

1175
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,240
then make at at that point we could

1176
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,599
certainly make a look at making

1177
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,440
conditions like the first this row up

1178
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,119
against there has to be one story, you

1179
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:20,160
know, or something like that. We've done

1180
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,359
that in other uh in other uh public

1181
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:25,760
hearings also. I just don't know. I

1182
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,680
think we just have to address what is

1183
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,640
presented to us here rather than

1184
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,559
assuming down the road what might be

1185
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,240
because it may not be either

1186
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:42,079
owned for duplexes if that helps.

1187
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,400
one story duplexes,

1188
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,160
>> two story.

1189
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,640
>> I guess we're my thought is we're

1190
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,240
minimizing impact on a neighbor.

1191
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,599
>> So Rodney, does that create a future

1192
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,920
problem with a 4ft setback and then the

1193
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
neighbor asks for a

1194
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,480
rear setback of five feet, then we have

1195
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,680
nine feet between buildings.

1196
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,359
I'm I'm kind of looking at the attorney

1197
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:09,520
here because we have to evaluate each

1198
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,440
project on its own merits. Right. So,

1199
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,119
I'm heading down the right direction. I

1200
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:16,079
hope there.

1201
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,599
>> Yeah. Commissioner, for the record,

1202
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,280
Preston Ruer. Yes. What Rodney's

1203
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,119
proposing, we got to take each of these

1204
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:24,319
case by case. Though that's relevant for

1205
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:25,920
a future one, it's not before you

1206
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,799
tonight.

1207
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:28,160
>> Thank you for the clarification.

1208
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,119
Appreciate it.

1209
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,319
>> I think um Mr. Sure.

1210
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:37,119
One of my other concerns is that

1211
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,799
connection through the existing

1212
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:42,480
neighborhood um

1213
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,799
and home values and how that impacts

1214
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:48,480
them as far as these it's it's a deadend

1215
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,119
street. It's not a through street and

1216
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,559
how people buy what they look for low

1217
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:58,720
traffic, etc., etc. That's wiped out

1218
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,520
now. Um,

1219
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,359
I'm all for property rights and people

1220
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,839
be able to do, but now when does that

1221
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:07,760
cross the line? When does that start

1222
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,430
impacting somebody else's also?

1223
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,160
» So, what are your thoughts then on

1224
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,640
traffic calming? Does that help ease

1225
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,599
your mind a little or No, [sighs]

1226
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:27,200
>> not really. No, not really. Um,

1227
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,599
if it were already if it were already a

1228
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,359
through street, if there was already

1229
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:33,520
traffic that could run in multiple

1230
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,559
directions, then yeah, maybe traffic

1231
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:37,920
calming just because you're going to add

1232
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,440
more traffic that would be accessing

1233
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,520
that street.

1234
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,359
um

1235
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:47,520
but as as it is right now.

1236
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,280
>> And I guess my only thought on that is

1237
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,599
we've got plenty of subdivisions around

1238
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,599
the valley, not just Nampa, but around

1239
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,680
the valley that are very similar to this

1240
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,599
older subdivision have those stub

1241
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,280
streets. And the reason that there's sub

1242
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,960
streets is so they can connect. So, you

1243
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,640
know, if they were trying to purchase a

1244
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,319
piece of property, take a house out so

1245
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:08,160
they could connect through that lot,

1246
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,599
that's a little different conversation,

1247
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,200
but it's just connecting a substrate

1248
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,960
that was intended for connection in the

1249
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,119
first place. So, that's my thought. I

1250
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:16,480
mean, I understand what you're saying,

1251
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,720
but

1252
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,799
>> look at what the original thought was.

1253
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:22,720
>> Yeah, that's the intent. Otherwise, it

1254
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,119
wouldn't be wouldn't be developed that

1255
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:26,400
way. Uh,

1256
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,079
>> they would have put a lot there. Made a

1257
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:29,200
lot bigger. really would have I mean

1258
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,079
there would have been a lot of things

1259
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,400
different but that's the whole intent is

1260
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,480
for future growth and connection so

1261
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,960
>> yeah culdeac there at the end of Taylor

1262
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:46,630
court one and Taylor court two

1263
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,670
» back to my setback thing

1264
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,440
hypothetically if we had both projects

1265
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,680
before us today

1266
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,160
it it would make sense to allow the

1267
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,990
exception on this lot

1268
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,599
hardship, you know,

1269
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,549
>> not be quite as lenient on.

1270
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,559
» I think that's where my thought is, too.

1271
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,720
It's the constraints on this piece of

1272
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,760
property are pretty big and it's I think

1273
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,079
they've done a pretty good job designing

1274
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,880
what they have and also speaking with

1275
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,640
the neighbors and trying to accommodate

1276
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,760
as much as they possibly can and and

1277
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,480
still make some money doing it. I mean,

1278
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,040
>> and if I were to I probably wouldn't

1279
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,400
make him go all the way back to 15

1280
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,829
either.

1281
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:45,680
or is tight.

1282
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,559
>> It is, but I mean, you know, like has

1283
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,720
been stated, maybe people would look at

1284
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,520
it say,

1285
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:51,920
>> "Yeah,

1286
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,200
>> all I want to put back there is my

1287
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,480
barbecue anyway." So, what difference

1288
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,520
does it make?

1289
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,000
>> No room for barbecue on. [clears throat]

1290
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,119
>> I don't know. Depends how big your

1291
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,400
barbecue is. If you only got two people

1292
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,599
living in the house, all you need is a

1293
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,640
little round guy.

1294
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:12,789
Anyway,

1295
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,720
» well, Mr. Chair, if there's no further

1296
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,119
comment or discussion,

1297
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,720
>> all right, then I will make a motion

1298
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,480
that we recommend approval of the

1299
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,319
project as stated on the screen with the

1300
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:25,920
recommended conditions.

1301
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,400
>> Been moved by Kirkman, seconded by Kho

1302
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,880
to recommend approval for this item.

1303
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,400
Madam clerk, can I get a roll call?

1304
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,040
>> Can before Mr. Mr. Chair, before that,

1305
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,559
uh, I just want to make it clear in that

1306
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,480
motion that that does not include any

1307
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,880
traffic mitigation. No, no speed humps

1308
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,960
or bumps or anything like that.

1309
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,990
>> That wasn't included.

1310
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,599
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Garner absent.

1311
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:52,720
Miller,

1312
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,000
>> hi.

1313
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,520
>> Daffer

1314
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,000
absent. Turner.

1315
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,920
>> Nay.

1316
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:00,720
>> Kho.

1317
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,480
>> Hi.

1318
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,440
Morgan,

1319
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,119
>> yes.

1320
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:07,920
>> Kirkman,

1321
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,400
>> hi

1322
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,680
>> Fen.

1323
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,400
>> Hey.

1324
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:32,950
>> Copeland. Absent.

1325
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,750
Four eyes, one nay.

1326
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,960
» Oh, two, sorry. Four eyes, two nays.

1327
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,359
>> Thank you.

1328
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:45,440
>> Mr. Chair. Just a quick question. Was

1329
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,319
Wasn't there a conditional use it in

1330
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:50,640
there that was approved? Does that have

1331
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,480
to be Do you have to read that? I mean,

1332
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,240
does that go along with the conditional

1333
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,680
use permit process?

1334
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,680
>> Chairman, I'll speak to this. Um, this

1335
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,040
one actually is an interesting

1336
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,640
application. and it has a lot of moving

1337
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,640
parts to it because you're lumped in

1338
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,480
there with a cop, a preliminary plat, a

1339
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,040
plan unit development. A cup and a plan

1340
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,640
unit development are usually approved by

1341
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,880
you. However, because this is lumped in

1342
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,200
with an annexation request, it actually

1343
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,440
all becomes one bundled package that you

1344
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,160
recommend up to city council.

1345
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,400
And at that time, they'll need to make

1346
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,079
um first an initial finding on the

1347
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,640
annexation piece, which you've talked on

1348
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,720
tonight. And then if they get through

1349
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,640
that hurdle, then they'll have to see if

1350
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,119
it meets the criteria of a cup and a

1351
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:36,160
plan unit development. Um, so kind of

1352
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,760
from an academic standpoint, there's a

1353
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,359
lot of parts here, but that's why it

1354
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:40,000
moves up.

1355
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:40,319
>> Okay.

1356
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:41,119
>> Yeah.

1357
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:42,799
>> Thank you for the clarification.

1358
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:46,549
Appreciate it.

1359
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,799
» Okay. We will go ahead and move on to

1360
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:51,520
the next item 3-2.

1361
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,920
Annexation and zoning to an IIL zoning

1362
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,640
district on two parcels addressed as 22

1363
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,640
Happy Valley Road and Zero Happy Valley

1364
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,200
Road for Scott Marshall of Straight Line

1365
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,839
Architects representing Cashing Holdings

1366
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:12,230
LLC is the applicant here.

1367
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,760
Dennis Durant, 1465

1368
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,079
East Bird Dog Drive, Meridian, Idaho

1369
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,480
83642.

1370
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,400
I will be representing the applicant

1371
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,720
today. [clears throat]

1372
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,799
I'd like to begin by just giving you a

1373
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:28,559
brief understanding of what the

1374
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,839
applicant actually does. So, in this

1375
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:33,760
room, there are three doors that are

1376
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,440
visible. One to the left, one to the

1377
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,839
right, and actually two doors, a double

1378
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:40,000
door to the rear.

1379
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,799
So those doors are the product that

1380
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:46,000
Western Specialty supplies and they do

1381
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,400
slight modifications to those products

1382
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,599
as they come in from their suppliers. So

1383
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:54,079
they'll bring in a blank door and

1384
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,640
they'll bring in frames. And if we were

1385
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,880
using the door to the back as an

1386
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,119
example, you'll notice that there is a

1387
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:04,240
glass transom above the door. That

1388
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,400
requires a little bit of modification to

1389
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,240
the frame. the glass is going to be

1390
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,799
custom and so they'll put in the

1391
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:14,880
horizontal seal for that glass and that

1392
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,880
will be their modification that they're

1393
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,839
making to the frame. So what they're

1394
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:21,599
doing is they're bringing in product

1395
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,559
that is mostly preassembled but then

1396
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,880
they're going to do some finishing work

1397
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,119
inside of their um finished building. So

1398
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:32,880
if you were to take the door to the left

1399
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,359
over here, it's actually a wood door.

1400
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,680
That door has a steel frame and it has a

1401
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,799
small window unit in it. And so they

1402
01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:43,680
would take a blank door. The door's um

1403
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,599
already probably cut for hinges and the

1404
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,119
lock set, but they need to cut in the

1405
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,599
window frame opening. And so that's what

1406
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:50,880
they'll do is they'll cut that in in

1407
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,640
their little wood shop and then that

1408
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,240
door would then be delivered to their

1409
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,039
enduse customer.

1410
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,720
I've known Western Specialties for

1411
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720
approximately 20 years. Um they're

1412
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,359
currently located in Garden City, Idaho.

1413
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,599
Um they started with a very small

1414
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:09,280
operation about four people total. Um

1415
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,240
currently they have between eight and 10

1416
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,440
employees and their hours of operation

1417
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,880
are Monday through Friday um about 7:30

1418
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,599
to 5:00 p.m.

1419
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,599
Um granted there are emergency

1420
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,520
situations where a customer may need

1421
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,760
something um maybe on a Saturday or

1422
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,280
something where they need a lock set or

1423
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,440
something and and they'll supply those

1424
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,760
products for them on an emergency basis,

1425
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,160
but they're not operating their FAB

1426
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,359
location or doing anything like that.

1427
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:41,520
um all of the operations that they

1428
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,839
perform are contained within the

1429
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:45,839
building unit. They do not perform any

1430
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:47,520
operations outside. They don't store

1431
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,680
things outside. Everything is confined

1432
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,520
inside.

1433
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,231
Um

1434
01:06:53,231 --> 01:06:54,000
[clears throat]

1435
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,760
this building is designed for growth.

1436
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,720
They currently have about 10,000 square

1437
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,559
feet that they're utilizing in one

1438
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,559
location and then they have several

1439
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,280
remote storage locations because their

1440
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,240
current facility is not large enough to stock all the inventory that they do.

1441
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,760
So this building is large enough for um

1442
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,680
growth times two. And what they

1443
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,000
anticipate is as they grow and if they

1444
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,039
were to fully utilize the building um

1445
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:28,240
they would probably have a total of 14

1446
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,079
employees.

1447
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,119
Currently they receive about one truck

1448
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:37,200
per day as far as incoming freight as

1449
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,480
far as a semi-truck coming in. Um, they

1450
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,680
might have a delivery from an incidental

1451
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,680
carrier like Amazon or something like

1452
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,640
that to drop something off. And they do

1453
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,599
have a little bit of will call traffic.

1454
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:53,280
And when we say a little bit, it could

1455
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,200
range from two to three people customers

1456
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,440
stopping to get something in a day or it

1457
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,160
could be five or six. This is not a Home

1458
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,960
Depot operation. And this is um a

1459
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,079
specialty business that caters to

1460
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:13,270
specifically doors and frames.

1461
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,200
Um

1462
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,199
the building has been designed in the

1463
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:19,920
lot. Um I just like to speak a little

1464
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,400
bit to the actual application.

1465
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,199
So, we are requesting that we do an

1466
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:26,799
annexation

1467
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:28,560
on this piece of property from the

1468
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,159
county into the city and then a reszone

1469
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,480
from the current zoning which is rural

1470
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:39,199
residential to an IL zone. The IIL zone

1471
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:41,040
is compatible

1472
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,600
with [clears throat] what our use is

1473
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,520
currently. The surrounding properties

1474
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,480
are to the south is a city-owned

1475
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:51,600
property which is IIL's own. Properties

1476
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,960
to the west include the airport.

1477
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,600
Um and then to the north is residential

1478
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,709
and to the east is residential.

1479
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:06,799
Through our planning and discussions

1480
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:09,440
with the city, we had an opportunity to

1481
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,880
meet with city staff and in that meeting

1482
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,960
we discussed with all the local

1483
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,920
jurisdictions some of the the thought

1484
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,440
and the requirements that would be

1485
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:22,080
placed upon the property in order to

1486
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,880
develop it in this way.

1487
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,440
The highway district made a proposal

1488
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,719
that uh since there are two lots

1489
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:33,759
um the existing residential house which

1490
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:36,960
is on the northwest corner and then um

1491
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,400
the larger lot that there be one

1492
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,279
combined access point to service both

1493
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,040
lots.

1494
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,839
And our our plan shows that combined

1495
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:51,440
access point. And so the house would um

1496
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:54,400
would enter with the main entrance and

1497
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,080
then they would turn to the north to

1498
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,669
enter the residence.

1499
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:03,120
In this application, the residence is

1500
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,000
designed to stay in place as a

1501
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,400
non-conforming use. Um it would be

1502
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,239
reszoned to an IL zone. Um but the

1503
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,960
owners prefer to stay and live in this

1504
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,480
location

1505
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,800
and as long as they're inhabiting the

1506
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,400
house um which is to their discretion

1507
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,800
would be it would remain as a

1508
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:30,550
residential living um area.

1509
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,120
As you enter the facility, um you'll

1510
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,520
notice that the building is placed the

1511
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,840
large building to the um eastern end of

1512
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,199
the property is placed that we have a

1513
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:42,880
fire lane around the whole building and

1514
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,199
then landscaping buffering to the north

1515
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,320
and to the east. We have approximately

1516
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,640
55 ft from the building to the property

1517
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,360
line to the north and about

1518
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,880
um

1519
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,679
50 60 feet to the east. When it's all

1520
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:02,080
said and done, we place the truck ramp

1521
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,600
um on the building to be located away

1522
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,280
from any residential areas. It actually

1523
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,159
is h situated to the south property

1524
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,840
which is the ILZ owned city piece.

1525
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,080
All of the unloading of trucks will be

1526
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,600
done at the loading dock and the loading

1527
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:26,000
dock is is enclosed and uh all of the

1528
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,400
traffic goes is contained within the

1529
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,719
building.

1530
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:32,400
Additionally, there is a building which

1531
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,560
we call building number two which is

1532
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,760
located on the western side of the

1533
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,360
property.

1534
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,159
This is a flex space building and is

1535
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,320
designed to

1536
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,239
um have contractors of similar nature to

1537
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,840
inhabit the space. And

1538
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,480
I think that ends my seven minutes I

1539
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,280
think. So if there's any questions I can

1540
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,560
answer or I'll sit down.

1541
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,520
>> I have a question.

1542
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,320
>> Yep.

1543
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,280
>> Um looking at your site plan here, are

1544
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,920
those trucks depictions of trucks making

1545
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,280
turns? what what's on those roadways.

1546
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,719
>> Yes. So So what we're depicting is how a

1547
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,040
truck would actually circulate or could

1548
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,760
circulate in the lot. And we're

1549
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,840
depicting that so that we can have the

1550
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,000
proper radius so that as a truck is

1551
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,920
making a corner, they're not driving

1552
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,239
over a landscaping buffer, hitting the

1553
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,480
corner of a building, hitting a car. So

1554
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,400
it's it's just for p space constraints

1555
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,960
for our planning purpose.

1556
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,400
>> Doesn't look like they're running over

1557
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,080
things.

1558
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:41,360
Um, it appears that they might be, but

1559
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,239
as this is designed, they will not be.

1560
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:44,640
So,

1561
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:45,040
>> okay.

1562
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,480
>> Yeah, that's what it's all about. It's

1563
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,080
designed so that we're not running over

1564
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:48,640
things.

1565
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,320
>> They don't allow to be 54t trucks

1566
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,199
either.

1567
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:51,760
>> What's that?

1568
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,320
>> They don't all have to be 54 54t trucks

1569
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,120
either.

1570
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,640
>> Uh, 50 64.

1571
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,679
>> Could be.

1572
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:00,800
>> They could be various sizes.

1573
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,760
>> Could be. Yeah.

1574
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,360
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1575
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:05,760
here.

1576
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,120
>> Yes.

1577
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,800
>> Um,

1578
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,719
what's the what's the height of your

1579
01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:13,360
warehouse and of your flex buildings?

1580
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,080
>> Uh, 32 feet is the finished height of

1581
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,199
the warehouse.

1582
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,640
And then on the flex space building, um,

1583
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:28,390
less than 20.

1584
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,840
Do you have any landscape plans for the

1585
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,640
north and east sides of the property?

1586
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,280
>> So, the landscaping is we're very open

1587
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,199
to what we can do on the property for

1588
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,360
landscaping. We have a landscaping

1589
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,760
buffer reserved. We're planning on

1590
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,080
fencing which would be compatible with a

1591
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,600
residential

1592
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,040
nature. We don't know if it would be

1593
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,360
best for wood or for vinyl or what that

1594
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,320
would be best served. Um, one of the

1595
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,760
restrictions that we have on the lot is

1596
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,600
a landscaping requirement from the

1597
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,040
airport that the landscaping is not to

1598
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,719
allow wildlife or especially birds, I

1599
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,640
think, is what the overall concept is.

1600
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:08,960
So,

1601
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,880
>> get those trees that birds don't like.

1602
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,199
>> Yeah. [laughter] Right.

1603
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:14,080
>> Yeah.

1604
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,679
>> It does make it tough.

1605
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:17,600
>> Yeah. So, we're willing to do whatever

1606
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,920
is best in that regard, but there's some

1607
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,920
restrictions with what the airport would

1608
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,400
prefer or want to have there.

1609
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,470
>> Thank you,

1610
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:32,159
» Mr. Chair. This rendering just shows two

1611
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:35,040
uh loading docks. Is there only going to

1612
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:35,920
be one?

1613
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,120
>> Um, the render the loading dock is

1614
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,120
actually to the right side of the upper

1615
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,600
building. You can see the curb. Yeah,

1616
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,600
>> those are overhead doors and are not

1617
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,480
loading docks.

1618
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:52,470
>> Okay, I see.

1619
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:53,840
» Okay, we'll call you back up.

1620
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,480
>> Okay, thank you.

1621
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,199
>> Thank you.

1622
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:03,167
>> Okay, Miss Friend.

1623
01:15:03,177 --> 01:15:10,790
[clears throat]

1624
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,360
Good evening, commissioners and um

1625
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,840
chairman. My name is Terry Friend,

1626
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,480
associate planner for the city of Nampa.

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01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:20,320
The request before you tonight is

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,280
annexation and zoning to IL or light

1629
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,080
industrial for two parcels along North

1630
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,199
Happy Valley Road, which is in the

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01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:35,270
airport overlay zone.

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,159
The application covers two parcels.

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01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,360
Those total five acres. Um the

1634
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,080
comprehensive plan designation in this

1635
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,760
area is low density residential within

1636
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,600
the airport overlay area. The applica

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01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,400
the applicant is requesting a stretch of

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01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,760
the industrial land use designation from

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01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,960
the city airport area from the west of

1640
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,470
Happy Valley Road.

1641
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,960
The two properties are adjacent to

1642
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,800
parcels that are within the city of

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:13,360
Nampa. Um, but they are currently um

1644
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,159
under Canyon County jurisdiction. They

1645
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,920
are within an area of rural residential

1646
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,480
under counties zoning definitions and

1647
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,199
their map. Um, the surrounding

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01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:27,840
properties have varying zoning. to the

1649
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,520
north and to the east are under county

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01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,480
count canyon county jurisdiction in an

1651
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,520
area of rural residential. But to the

1652
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,480
west and to the south, those are areas

1653
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,199
that are owned by the city of Nampa and

1654
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:48,080
they are zoned IL light industrial.

1655
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,719
The applicant is requesting annexation

1656
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:52,960
and zoning to that light industrial

1657
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,120
designation to match the south and the

1658
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,719
west.

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01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:59,440
This is the proposed uh site plan for

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01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,640
the project. It really complain contains

1661
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,280
three components. The first would be

1662
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,239
that existing residential property to

1663
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,679
the northwest. There is a um house and

1664
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:13,760
there is a shop structure that are

1665
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,120
intended to remain. And then to the east

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,000
is the 30,000 square foot building for

1667
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,880
Western Specialties. Um, and then and as

1668
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,480
he discussed, that's going to have

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01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,440
office, shop, and warehouse space. And

1670
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,920
then to the southwest, that portion of

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01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,080
the property is intended to have a

1672
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,440
10,000 square f foot multi-tenant flex

1673
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,880
building. Um, right now, as it's drawn,

1674
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,840
they're proposing four tenant spaces.

1675
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,000
Here are the conceptual drawings for the

1676
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,760
two new industrial uh buildings. The

1677
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,640
Western Specialties building is intended

1678
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,760
to be about 30,000 square feet. At the

1679
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,440
front, it's um planned to be 32 square,

1680
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:04,640
sorry, 32 feet high. It does slope

1681
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,719
towards the back. So, the back was like

1682
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:08,320
28.

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,040
Um and then the multi-tenant building is

1684
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,840
going to be singlestory about 16 feet

1685
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,149
high.

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01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,480
So for our applicable regulations today,

1687
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:21,840
we're really just talking about

1688
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,800
annexation and zoning. So that's what

1689
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,440
the code we're looking at. Um Idaho

1690
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,000
state code does expressly provide for

1691
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,960
cities to be able to annex lands um

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01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,679
which are reasonably necessary to assure

1693
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,400
orderly development which allow

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,960
efficient and economical and viable

1695
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,320
provision of municipal services that in

1696
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,760
order enable the orderly development of

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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,239
private lands which would benefit from

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01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:53,679
those cost-effective municipal services

1699
01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:56,560
and to equitably allocate the cost of

1700
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,159
public services in management of um

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01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:04,239
development on the urgent urban fringe.

1702
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,360
The annexation must satisfy four

1703
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,640
requirements uh which are detailed in

1704
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,120
Idaho code section 50-22 and then they

1705
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,400
must also pass a test of reasonleness

1706
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,360
to accept the annexation application.

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,840
It's got to meet those four criterias as

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01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,800
listed at the top of the slide. And this

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01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,120
application has been evaluated and

1710
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:30,800
confirmed to meet each of those

1711
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:36,320
criteria. For zoning, city code 1023.C

1712
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,280
details three criteria for approval of

1713
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,760
the requested zoning. These are shown on

1714
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,360
the bottom of the slide and will be

1715
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,719
addressed a little later in the

1716
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:47,280
presentation here.

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01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,440
As you know, we do send every

1718
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,159
application out to be evaluated by

1719
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,400
various departments and connected

1720
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,159
agencies um in our area. So, here we

1721
01:19:58,159 --> 01:19:59,520
have some comments that have come

1722
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,000
through from the engineering department.

1723
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,400
They do not oppose the application.

1724
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,640
They've provided the comments about the

1725
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,840
availability of domestic water, sewer,

1726
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,920
and pressurized irrigation in the

1727
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,600
vicinity of the project.

1728
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,880
They've also um specified some access

1729
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,080
and layout requirements. They indicated

1730
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,400
that um access to the property is

1731
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,679
provided by Happy North Happy Valley

1732
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:30,000
Road. That's classified as a minor

1733
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,480
arterial and it has a speed limit of 40

1734
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:34,719
miles an hour.

1735
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:36,719
The applicant will be required to

1736
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:39,520
dedicate 50 feet of rightway along North

1737
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,120
Happy Valley with the annexation and

1738
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,679
they will be responsible for um frontage

1739
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:48,320
improvements at the time of the property

1740
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,440
development. The two properties will be

1741
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:56,320
required to um to share one access point

1742
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,920
which they've designed for you in that

1743
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,719
site layout. The existing access points

1744
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:02,560
will be required to be permanently

1745
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,590
closed.

1746
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,560
A traffic impact study may be required

1747
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,719
at the time of development if the

1748
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:12,800
project meets the threshold that's

1749
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,520
identified by engineering policy. And

1750
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,040
just two general comments um about

1751
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,920
needing to employ a surveyor to provide

1752
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,679
legal descriptions for the various

1753
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:26,560
components of this application and that

1754
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,640
any online wells or septic shall be

1755
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,910
abandoned at the time of development.

1756
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,960
Nampa airport did also provide comments.

1757
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,199
Um they indicated that the proposed

1758
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,679
light industrial use would be compatible

1759
01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:44,880
land use for the near the airport. The

1760
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,000
developer will be required to submit um

1761
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,960
an application 7460, which is a notice

1762
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,400
of proposed construction with the FAA

1763
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,000
prior to um building permits so that the

1764
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,760
FAA has an chance to evaluate um any

1765
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,719
conflicts. The developer should use

1766
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,719
landscaping that does not attract

1767
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:10,239
wildlife such as birds. Um, and then any

1768
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,400
proposed buildings should have finishes

1769
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,880
that are not reflective. And the last

1770
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,360
thing is that all the building and site

1771
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,400
lighting should be focused downward.

1772
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,560
Nampa Highway District did not oppose

1773
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:27,360
the application subject to theou

1774
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,760
and the fire district provided comments

1775
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,520
indicating that the development is

1776
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,920
approximately 0.9

1777
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,719
miles from fire station number five with

1778
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:39,440
an approximate response time of 1

1779
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:42,400
minute. Um they did indicate that all of

1780
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,120
the development plans would be evaluated

1781
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,360
compared to applicable regulations at

1782
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,520
the time of the building permit, but

1783
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,080
specifically noted that based on the

1784
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,280
scope of the project, the um it will

1785
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:01,510
require a full life safety plan review.

1786
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,920
Couple of public comments received

1787
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,040
regarding this application.

1788
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,120
Uh, Maria, and I'm I'm gonna take a stab

1789
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,440
at it. Cuentes of 28 North Happy Valley

1790
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:18,480
um Road wrote in. She formally opposes

1791
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,400
the application and the proposed

1792
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,960
industrial development. Maria states

1793
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,520
that she chose her property for its

1794
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,920
rural character, which she believes

1795
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,440
would be compromised by the new

1796
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,760
development due to issues such as

1797
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,679
incompatibility with the surrounding

1798
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:36,880
area, increased noise, light pollution,

1799
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,840
loss of privacy, heightened traffic and

1800
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,080
safety concerns and potential health

1801
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,960
impacts, and possible depreciation of

1802
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,960
property values.

1803
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,719
Drake, excuse me, Drake Cifuentes, also

1804
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:55,040
of 28 North Happy Valley Road in. He um

1805
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,199
formally opposes the application and the

1806
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,920
proposed industrial development. Sharing

1807
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,000
a fence with the adjacent parcel near

1808
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,960
the Nampa Municipal Airport, Drake

1809
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,360
expresses concerns about airport

1810
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,600
compatibility, highlighting the risks

1811
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,560
posed by potential air traffic conflict

1812
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,040
created by the development such as

1813
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:19,360
obstruction of visual light issues and

1814
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,520
wildlife attraction, which could

1815
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,480
jeopardize pilot safety. He emphasizes

1816
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,560
the importance of protecting the

1817
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,120
airport's long-term viability from

1818
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,159
future complaints that could limit its

1819
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:34,719
operations and supports concerns

1820
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:38,080
addressed by his mother, Maria Suentes,

1821
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,560
um regarding incompatibility with the

1822
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,679
rural character of the area, noise,

1823
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:46,400
light pollution, and other negative

1824
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,800
impacts.

1825
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,280
And not included originally in your

1826
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,920
staff report, but um emailed to you

1827
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,800
separately was a comment from Mike

1828
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,480
Heaidman of 30 North Happy Valley Road.

1829
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,199
Uh he opposes zoning for the industrial

1830
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:05,280
development, having lived in the area

1831
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,920
for over eight years. Hideamman and his

1832
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,000
wife appreciate the quiet private

1833
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,000
atmosphere and scenic views of the

1834
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,800
Wahhees during the day and stars at

1835
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,760
night which influenced their decision to

1836
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,920
purchase their home. Although the

1837
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,840
anticipated um they anticipated future

1838
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,719
um additional residences, Haidman states

1839
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:28,560
that introduction of two large

1840
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,520
industrial buildings, one reaching 32

1841
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,000
feet in height would significantly

1842
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,480
disrupt their quality of life with

1843
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:39,120
increased noise, light pilution, and

1844
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,840
potential decreases in property value.

1845
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,400
Haidman has gathered signatures from

1846
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,520
neighbors within a 300 foot radius with

1847
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,920
nearly unanimous opposition to the

1848
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,960
reszoning. Um emphasizing the

1849
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,280
inappropriate nature of industrial

1850
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,800
zoning amidst a residential community.

1851
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,000
Um he urges local authorities to deny

1852
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,560
the reasonzoning request for the parcel.

1853
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,239
And here you see the um the petition

1854
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:11,840
that went through. This slide shows uh

1855
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,719
the petition that he circulated. The map

1856
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:17,120
to in the upper right corner I've

1857
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,760
actually pinpointed the addresses that

1858
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,800
are shown on those um to indicate the

1859
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:28,149
neighbors that we're talking about.

1860
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,639
All right. So proposed findings for

1861
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:34,159
annexation. Um the property owner is the

1862
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:36,400
property is contiguous to city limits.

1863
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,719
The property is located in Nampa's

1864
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:40,960
planning area and has a future land use

1865
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,199
map designation of lowdensity

1866
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:45,920
residential. The application requests a

1867
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,080
stretch of the industrial airport

1868
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,400
overlay land use designation from the

1869
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,199
property to the west. An annexation of

1870
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,760
roadway um will be subject to the

1871
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,400
revised and other agreements between the

1872
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,320
city of Nampa and Nampa's highway

1873
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,669
district.

1874
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:06,320
The facts for the reasonzoning have

1875
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,320
mostly been gone over in the rest of my

1876
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,320
presentation. I highlighted a couple of

1877
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,510
important things. Um

1878
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:14,239
[clears throat]

1879
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,320
on this slide, we've already gone over

1880
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,520
them, but on this slide, I just wanted

1881
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:20,960
to point out some things because we

1882
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,280
didn't talk very specifically about the

1883
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,040
comprehensive plan. So the project is um

1884
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,280
proposes that the existing residential

1885
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,480
single family dwelling units um on the

1886
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:35,760
1acre parcel will remain with their

1887
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,400
residential use to continue. Now

1888
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:38,960
[clears throat]

1889
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:43,280
um based on our land use um controls

1890
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,800
chart a single family dwelling is not an

1891
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,760
allowed use in an IL zone. So we are

1892
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,159
technically creating a non-conforming

1893
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:55,280
use um for that property during the

1894
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,679
duration that it is continues to be

1895
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:01,199
residential. The comprehensive plan does

1896
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:05,199
address um public airport facilities

1897
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:08,400
specifically in chapter 14. The

1898
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,520
objective of the planned land uses need

1899
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,719
to be compatible with the airport. And

1900
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:17,840
the strategies to do that is to adhere

1901
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,239
to guidelines provided by the airport's

1902
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:23,679
master plan for land use compatibility,

1903
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:26,080
to zone for commercial and industrial

1904
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,360
uses in proximity of the airport, and to

1905
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,159
prohibit uses in the airport area such

1906
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:34,080
um that would attract birds, create

1907
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,280
visual hazards, and emit transmissions

1908
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,840
which might interfere with aviation

1909
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,560
communications or otherwise obstruct or

1910
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:48,790
conflict with the airport operations.

1911
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,040
And according to the comments provided

1912
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,000
by the airport, um they're satisfied

1913
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,320
that this application can meet all of

1914
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,960
those requirements based on the

1915
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,719
comprehensive plan and the airport's

1916
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:04,390
master plan.

1917
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,480
And again, three written public comments

1918
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,199
were received. Um, the third written

1919
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:11,840
comment included a petition indicating

1920
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,159
opposition by 38 residents in the

1921
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:17,679
immediate area and that uh below

1922
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:19,280
outlines the things that we've already

1923
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,120
covered for what their concerns were.

1924
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,199
And city codes are written to protect

1925
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,280
the public interest by providing

1926
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,920
guidance for development. Therefore, the

1927
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,199
project is presumed to be in the public

1928
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:35,840
interest because um any further

1929
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,920
development or redevelopment of the

1930
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,480
property will be required to meet city

1931
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:42,639
standards for development and shall

1932
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:45,199
install appropriate site improvements

1933
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:48,870
upon development.

1934
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,280
This paragraph summarizes everything

1935
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,199
that we just went over and provides a

1936
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:56,159
potential conclusion for

1937
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:59,520
um approving IL light industrial zoning.

1938
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,639
This is listed in your staff report in

1939
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:06,000
the proposed conditions of approval also

1940
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,960
listed in your staff report. Um that

1941
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,040
detail the things that engineering was

1942
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,199
going to require

1943
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:20,229
that the airport needed to address.

1944
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:24,560
And uh finally any other additional

1945
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,800
conditions that you wish to apply

1946
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,320
and there are your potential motions.

1947
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,950
What can I answer for you?

1948
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,960
» Any questions?

1949
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,920
>> Mr. [clears throat] Chair, um one of our

1950
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,880
findings says that this is in

1951
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,320
um accordance with our comprehensive

1952
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:47,840
plan

1953
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,070
is I

1954
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,239
approved zoning for low city

1955
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:55,920
residential.

1956
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,760
>> No, but our future land use map does

1957
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,520
allow for a land use designation

1958
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:07,440
to be stretched one parcel deep. So when

1959
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,080
we look at that future land use map,

1960
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,320
sorry, got to click got a number of

1961
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:13,920
slides,

1962
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,960
you can see that to the west of the

1963
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:22,310
property

1964
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,800
is to the west and to the south are um

1965
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,480
industrially zoned and it's industrial

1966
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:33,840
future land use map designation. So they

1967
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,080
would be allowed to stretch that land

1968
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,560
use designation over the two parcels

1969
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,639
because each one is adjacent to that

1970
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,400
aisle

1971
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,040
sorry industrial land use on the future

1972
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:50,159
land use map.

1973
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:51,679
>> So it would be more accurate to say

1974
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:53,920
we're stretching

1975
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,920
land use from adjacent parcels rather

1976
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,239
than it's in accordance with the comp

1977
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,159
plan.

1978
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:02,239
>> Randy would like to speak to that.

1979
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,560
>> Mr. chair and commissioners. Um I I

1980
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,040
think we need to remember the purpose

1981
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,040
behind a comprehensive plan future land

1982
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,679
use map and there never were intended to

1983
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:15,120
be exact, right? So those boundaries are

1984
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,480
kind of uh blurry for comprehensive

1985
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:22,080
plans and um and in this situation

1986
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,239
that's exactly what it is. It's kind of

1987
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:26,000
in that gray area where you can stretch

1988
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,480
it. We have it specifically stated on

1989
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:30,320
our comprehensive plan future land use

1990
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,639
map that you can stretch it. And so I

1991
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:34,639
would say that it is consistent with

1992
01:32:34,639 --> 01:32:36,960
that as that statement on our

1993
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,880
comprehensive plan.

1994
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,880
>> Just didn't want Preston to have

1995
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,320
something that's not accurate in the

1996
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:48,229
findings.

1997
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:50,639
» The current the current residents

1998
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:53,440
residential portion of this property.

1999
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:56,080
Um, what would it take for them to just

2000
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,600
eliminate that and build another

2001
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,030
building?

2002
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,880
» Once it is zoned to IIL, they would be

2003
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,840
allowed to repurpose either the

2004
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,760
buildings on that property for an

2005
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,880
industrial purpose if it met the

2006
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,800
building requirements. Um or they could

2007
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,960
raise those buildings and build others

2008
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,400
that to meet the industrial

2009
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,400
requirements,

2010
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,840
>> but they couldn't do any redevelopment

2011
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,239
and keep it residential.

2012
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:31,120
>> Thank you. Um

2013
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,000
very very limited changes would be

2014
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,480
allowed to the property. Um

2015
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:39,440
>> what about hooking up to city services?

2016
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:41,840
>> They would be annexed into the proper

2017
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,920
into the city. So they would be able to

2018
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,360
hook up to city services.

2019
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,600
>> That doesn't qualify as a redevelopment.

2020
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:53,669
Okay.

2021
01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:56,880
Thank you,

2022
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,520
Madam Clerk. Do we have a signup sheet?

2023
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,920
>> Here we do.

2024
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,920
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Calling Mike

2025
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:12,790
Hydeman.

2026
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,120
Good evening. My name is Mike Heidman.

2027
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,400
My wife and I are the owners and

2028
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,320
residents of 30 North Happy Valley Road,

2029
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,080
which directly borders the parcel being

2030
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,880
discussed tonight, just to the north.

2031
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,320
I've worked from home as a construction

2032
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,760
estimator ever since we purchased the

2033
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,480
home over eight years ago. We chose this

2034
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:30,000
location because it's outside of the

2035
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,639
city. It's not in a development.

2036
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:34,639
Surrounding properties are spacious.

2037
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,480
They're residential and they feel

2038
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,960
private. the view of the Aahes during

2039
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,800
the day and the stars at night due to

2040
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,199
minimal light pollution.

2041
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:44,719
We've always been aware that one day a

2042
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:46,000
house or two could be built on the

2043
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,520
neighboring parcel since it's zoned for

2044
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,679
residential. Had it been zoned for

2045
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:51,199
commercial or industrial, we never would

2046
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,760
have purchased it. Not just because it's

2047
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,000
extremely close to the house, but also

2048
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,320
the additional noise, traffic, and light

2049
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,400
pollution.

2050
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,080
All the windows in our living room,

2051
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,080
dining room, and kitchen face this

2052
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,080
neighboring parcel, as does our

2053
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,480
backyard, deck, outdoor seating and

2054
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:11,040
dining. We spend most evenings in our

2055
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,679
backyard, enjoying the sunset and many

2056
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:16,159
times the stars afterwards. On weekends,

2057
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:17,679
we enjoy our morning coffee outside

2058
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:20,159
before starting the day.

2059
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:21,920
Now, we're faced with the possibility of

2060
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,600
two industrial zone buildings being

2061
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,000
built right outside our back door in an

2062
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,280
area surrounded by homes on three sides.

2063
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,120
The largest and closest building is

2064
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,120
proposed to stick more than 32 feet in

2065
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,239
the sky above finish grade. Even with a

2066
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:37,679
six or eight foot fence, it would still

2067
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:39,840
be visible from both outside and inside

2068
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,560
our home. We're looking at increased

2069
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,880
noise from vehicle traffic, trucks

2070
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,560
navigating through a parking lot and

2071
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,480
idling, backup beepers, forklifts

2072
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:50,719
loading and unloading material, as well

2073
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:52,400
as the sound of saws and drills while

2074
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,719
they do their modifications.

2075
01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:56,400
We're also looking at a considerable

2076
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,920
increase in light pollution at night

2077
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,600
from parking lot lights to building

2078
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,120
mounted lighting on every side of the

2079
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,320
buildings. Lastly, the decreased home

2080
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,880
values that are sure to follow.

2081
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,800
Even if the potential new owners say the

2082
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,560
noise and traffic will be minimal,

2083
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,480
that's subjective and it can always

2084
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:14,719
change once they're there. If they

2085
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:16,320
decide to sell or lease more of the

2086
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,840
property in the future, what type of

2087
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,880
industrial businesses, noise, traffic,

2088
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,320
and light pollution will that bring to

2089
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,480
all the surrounding homes?

2090
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:26,080
Um, I brought with me a copy of the

2091
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:27,840
petition containing signatures from all

2092
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,520
the neighbors within 300 feet who are

2093
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,440
opposed to the reszoning and the

2094
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,840
proposed use of this property. I focused

2095
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,679
on those homes first since that's all

2096
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:38,239
the city was required to notify.

2097
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:39,920
I also collected signatures from

2098
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,600
neighbors next to them, including those

2099
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,840
within line of sight.

2100
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,920
Every neighbor I talked with, except for

2101
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:49,040
one, signed an opposition. The only

2102
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:50,880
neighbor I didn't talk with is the one

2103
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:52,480
trying to sell the residential property

2104
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,960
as potential commercial or industrial

2105
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,000
use because it's worth more money.

2106
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,520
The property listing is shown pending

2107
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,880
since at least the beginning of this

2108
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,560
year. It's a safe guess that [snorts]

2109
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,159
that's contingent on the reasonzoning of

2110
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:07,280
proposed use being approved. Um the

2111
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,440
current view that's up on your screen

2112
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:12,400
right now is zoomed in. It doesn't show

2113
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:17,590
how close all the surrounding homes are.

2114
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,880
I ask you to consider

2115
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,760
these issues and ask yourselves, is this

2116
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,520
an appropriate location for industrial

2117
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,199
zoning when all the neighbors who live

2118
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:34,870
around it are opposed to it? Thank you,

2119
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:53,430
» Steve Great House.

2120
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:55,119
I wanted to go back to that screen we

2121
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:58,692
just had. Have you got control or not?

2122
01:37:58,692 --> 01:38:00,560
[cough]

2123
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,880
>> All right, that works.

2124
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,719
But the laser pointer

2125
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:05,119
>> doesn't work.

2126
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:07,119
>> It doesn't work.

2127
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:10,560
Um, all right.

2128
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,800
The only meeting that was held to

2129
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:13,760
discuss this

2130
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:14,960
>> name and address for the record.

2131
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,280
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Steve Greathouse. Uh,

2132
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,719
address is 13 North Campbell Lane,

2133
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:23,600
Nampa. It's literally

2134
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,560
the right side that they've cut it right

2135
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,320
along my property line and they it's the

2136
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,119
right side of that image.

2137
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:36,000
Um,

2138
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,880
we were out of town uh when they held

2139
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,520
the meeting on June 27th. So, when the

2140
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,760
first time I was ever really able to see

2141
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,800
what the plan was was when these prints

2142
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:50,080
were loaded up to the website uh and

2143
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,719
submitted to the planning and zoning. It

2144
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:55,040
was only then that I found out that the

2145
01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:00,080
size and nature of this monstrosity of

2146
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,199
32 feet high, 30,000 square foot

2147
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:06,960
literally becomes my west side of my

2148
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,480
property.

2149
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,719
There is I can't see over it. I can't

2150
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:14,080
see around it. Everything is a big blank

2151
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,960
wall. There's not even windows in it.

2152
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,560
It's totally shielding me from anything.

2153
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,800
I've never even imagined that something

2154
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,119
like that could happen.

2155
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,960
Um, we have a bounce house

2156
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,520
uh that we use often with kids that or

2157
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,560
grandkids and stuff that come in. Uh,

2158
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:39,760
they that will be in the shadow when the

2159
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,239
sun goes down. This that building will

2160
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:46,560
shade shade that it'll shade our house.

2161
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,199
Uh semitrs,

2162
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:52,880
as you can see, are between my kitchen

2163
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,639
window and the building.

2164
01:39:56,639 --> 01:40:00,159
There's I've only got 16 ft from my

2165
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:02,400
house to the middle of that property

2166
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:06,239
lane. And they are putting 40 ft of

2167
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:08,960
asphalt to get the semis to be able to

2168
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,719
go through there.

2169
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:12,960
Do you like to have semis driving in

2170
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:14,719
your backyard?

2171
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:19,520
Literally within a rock throw everything

2172
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,239
trying to sleep. Our our bedroom windows

2173
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:25,840
are just straight to the right of of

2174
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,639
where that bottom semi is.

2175
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:32,880
I I mean we it's intolerable that we

2176
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,840
have to live and think of that in our

2177
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,920
future.

2178
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,800
uh if they if this is a the final

2179
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,719
uh designation of what they're going to

2180
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:47,920
do, they're going to have some lawsuits.

2181
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,840
I will not put up with that kind of

2182
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,719
thing. This is just ridiculous that you

2183
01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:55,920
would force this just because somebody

2184
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,920
feels that they want to have this

2185
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,119
property which isn't compatible with the

2186
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,920
whole rest of the uh neighborhood.

2187
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,920
You know, when you reszone something

2188
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,920
that's already residential and the

2189
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,280
people around it have uh incorporated

2190
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,360
that as a residential plan in their

2191
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:17,280
thoughts and you then change that they

2192
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,800
have the person um now assuming the

2193
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,840
ownership has to work with the existing

2194
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:27,840
people to be able to be integrated into

2195
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,679
them. We have to integrate this into us.

2196
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:35,199
It won't. This design, this plan does

2197
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:37,840
not integrate into the whole rest of the

2198
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,679
plans from um Happy Valley Road clear

2199
01:41:41,679 --> 01:41:42,960
over to Robinson.

2200
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:43,920
>> Mr. Chair,

2201
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:44,960
>> Victory. No,

2202
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,639
>> thank you.

2203
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:49,760
>> There's I could go on and on and on, but

2204
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,280
literally

2205
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:55,199
uh we have nothing in our backyard

2206
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:57,600
except a monstrous building.

2207
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,390
Unacceptable. Thank you.

2208
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:10,229
Virginia Great House.

2209
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:13,600
» Virginia Great House, 13 North Campbell

2210
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:18,639
Lane, Nampa, Idaho 83687.

2211
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:21,360
Thank you for this chance to offer our

2212
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,840
opinion on uh this building. I I thought

2213
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,239
the name of the company was Big D

2214
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:30,159
Builders. That's not the case.

2215
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:32,400
Apparently, that was on some of the

2216
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,360
paperwork. But nonetheless,

2217
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,520
I'd like to take you all with me for a

2218
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:44,239
minute and imagine your backyard of your

2219
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:47,199
house. Now, I know they're probably all

2220
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,920
very different, but visualize those

2221
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:53,760
backyards

2222
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,960
and what you do in those backyards.

2223
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:01,040
You relax, you play, you entertain, you

2224
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,119
have children and grandchildren that

2225
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:06,159
come and they play in the yard.

2226
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:09,040
Now, think of those fun and entertaining

2227
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,199
moments and the memories that you're

2228
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:12,800
building

2229
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,600
and the ones that you have planned

2230
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,239
coming up. Think of them with a huge

2231
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:21,119
industrial building in your backyard.

2232
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:23,760
Because literally, as my husband said,

2233
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,480
that's what it would be right in our

2234
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:28,639
backyard.

2235
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:31,280
And we'll have the increased noise of

2236
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,639
loading docks, backup alarms, semitrs

2237
01:43:34,639 --> 01:43:37,040
with their loud rumbling engines driving

2238
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,000
around the building, emitting diesel

2239
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,080
exhaust and fumes into the air that you

2240
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,239
and your guests and your children,

2241
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:49,119
grandchildren are breathing in, reducing

2242
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:55,679
your outdoor enjoyment, all the while you're trying to relax and have

2243
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:58,960
some happy memories. and be with loved

2244
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,639
ones.

2245
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:02,239
Along

2246
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:04,320
with all that noise is the noise that

2247
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,480
will come from the industrial machinery

2248
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:09,679
itself invading your family time. And

2249
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:12,000
even before any of that gets rolling,

2250
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,639
there's the noise of the construction of

2251
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:17,280
such a huge building of property.

2252
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,800
Morning shifts will start. I heard 7:30.

2253
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,119
Some of us are not morning people.

2254
01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:25,840
That's why we like to be out by

2255
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,840
ourselves. And with residential people,

2256
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,280
usually that area is pretty quiet and

2257
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,760
early birds can get up early, late birds

2258
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,159
can sleep in late.

2259
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:40,080
But if I'm getting up to all those

2260
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,880
machines, worring and buzzing and

2261
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,199
hammering, nobody's going to sleep

2262
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,320
through that. Also, we mentioned the

2263
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:51,040
dust and concerns for health and safety,

2264
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,360
the light pollution, the ground

2265
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,239
vibrations from the semitrs,

2266
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:59,040
potential contamination risks and odors

2267
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:03,119
from the uh occupants garbage which is

2268
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:05,280
directly

2269
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,639
across from our patio like 30 feet

2270
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:12,960
maybe. So, um, don't forget, and I don't

2271
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,000
want to forget the negativity of the

2272
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,480
having a huge building and the effect

2273
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:21,280
that it will have on our property value.

2274
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:25,280
Please, I ask you to say no to this

2275
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,639
annexation. Leave it residential.

2276
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:31,440
We're ready for houses to move in behind

2277
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:34,639
us, but not a big huge building. Thank

2278
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:38,320
you. Thank you,

2279
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:43,738
>> Ian Twitchell.

2280
01:45:43,748 --> 01:45:48,310
[clears throat]

2281
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:49,600
» Good evening, commissioners. Ian

2282
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,920
Twitchell, 4906 East Victory Road here

2283
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,840
in Nampa. I want to thank you guys for

2284
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:55,520
the opportunity to speak on this matter

2285
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,520
tonight. My wife and I bought our home

2286
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,440
here 10 years ago because it offered the

2287
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,360
best of Nampa. It still felt like the

2288
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,360
quiet, open, old Nampa that we love and

2289
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,199
grew up in while keeping us close to

2290
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:07,119
services. We'd planned for this to be

2291
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:08,960
our forever home. We have wonderful

2292
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:10,480
neighbors, many of whom are here tonight

2293
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:13,360
to oppose this annexation. Over the last

2294
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,280
decade, rapid expansion has chipped away

2295
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,760
at our community. Um, coming home to the

2296
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,360
valley doesn't feel quite the same as it

2297
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:20,880
used to. I'm sure a lot of you have felt

2298
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,679
that same way when the residential and

2299
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:25,280
farming properties that built this

2300
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,159
community are constantly targeted for

2301
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:30,239
industrial growth. I stand before you

2302
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:32,000
tonight to respectfully ask that you

2303
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,360
recommend denial of this proposed

2304
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,840
annexation and industrial resoning.

2305
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,840
While there are light commercial uses

2306
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:39,920
near the airport across the street, this

2307
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,320
proposal introduces critical conflicts.

2308
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,239
The field directly adjacent to the

2309
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,080
property is flagged against future

2310
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:47,600
development because it falls within the

2311
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,600
designated airport approach zone.

2312
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,440
Because no future industrial expansion

2313
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:53,760
can ever happen on that adjoining land,

2314
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,000
forcing a single industrial complex on

2315
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,600
this lot creates an isolated,

2316
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,920
incompatible footprint. If development's

2317
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:01,920
inevitable here, keeping it residential

2318
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,159
creates a logical, safe transition zone

2319
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,000
between the airport restrictions and our

2320
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,880
homes. Our household relies on a shared

2321
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:10,560
domestic well located on my neighbor's

2322
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,280
property, Mr. Grey House, which directly

2323
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,679
adjoins the subject's site. The wellhead

2324
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:18,239
is less than 10 feet from the direct

2325
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,480
property line. We also have a very

2326
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:23,600
shallow well at 35 ft. The applicant's

2327
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:24,880
proposal mentions the future

2328
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:26,560
possibilities of connecting to city

2329
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,560
sewer, but currently plans to install a

2330
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,480
commercial septic system. Once

2331
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:31,840
installed, if there's no enforcement

2332
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,080
mechanism to force a future connection,

2333
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,920
the issue becomes what contamination

2334
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,000
issues possibly lie in that. Has there

2335
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,760
been any geological studies mapping the

2336
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:41,440
rock layers and fracture angles to

2337
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:42,880
determine how the affluence going to

2338
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,360
migrate towards our properties? Annexing

2339
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:46,960
industrial uses without requiring

2340
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,239
immediate connection to the city

2341
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:51,119
proposes that risk. The applicant claims

2342
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,119
the traffic will be minimal, citing just

2343
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:54,639
one or two trucks and up to 14

2344
01:47:54,639 --> 01:47:56,159
employees, but that estimate only

2345
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:58,080
accounts for the warehouse, completely

2346
01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:59,679
ignoring the compounded traffic

2347
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:01,679
generated by the multi-tenant building.

2348
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:03,840
Happy Valley is already past its limit.

2349
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,520
Anybody who has driven that in the peak

2350
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,760
times knows that it is extremely busy.

2351
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,360
We've seen multiple accidents less than

2352
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:11,440
a mile away at airport and Happy Valley

2353
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:12,719
as well as the street lights at the

2354
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:14,239
roundabout being knocked over multiple

2355
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,159
times due to this traffic overload.

2356
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:18,239
Pushing freight delivery vehicles shift

2357
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:19,840
change traffic to two commercial

2358
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,639
structures creates an additional hazard.

2359
01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:24,560
Nampa's primary light industrial hubs

2360
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:26,239
are established directly across the

2361
01:48:26,239 --> 01:48:28,320
freeway over by Amazon. That's where the

2362
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,480
industrial buildings are happening.

2363
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,239
That's where these types of things

2364
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:34,320
should be forced and not into our

2365
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,480
locations. Putting that unwarranted

2366
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:38,320
industrial parks where they don't

2367
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:39,760
belong, where they don't fit with it

2368
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,800
being residential. Placing that 30,000t

2369
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:44,800
warehouse and flex space, loading docks,

2370
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,719
vehicle idling, night security lights

2371
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:48,639
directly up against established homes

2372
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:50,719
creates an immediate demunition of value

2373
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:52,159
for those surrounding residential

2374
01:48:52,159 --> 01:48:54,320
properties. As has been discussed,

2375
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:55,920
existing homeowners should not be forced

2376
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,320
to absorb that real estate devaluation

2377
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,639
to subsidize spot reszoning that belongs

2378
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:03,119
in an industrial park. Growth in Nampa

2379
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:04,480
should be orderly and respecting

2380
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:06,320
existing homeowners. Please protect our

2381
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,159
water, our roads, our airspace, and our

2382
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:09,679
neighbors stability by recommending

2383
01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:11,760
denial of this project. Thank you.

2384
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:20,310
>> Thank you,

2385
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:30,229
» Clark Krider.

2386
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,880
Evening. Clark Krider, 34 North, Happy

2387
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,480
Valley.

2388
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:36,239
I wasn't going to speak this evening

2389
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:38,719
till I saw this. This is the first time

2390
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:40,880
I've seen this. Here's the things I

2391
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,320
asked all of you to consider.

2392
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:47,840
34 North or Happy Valley Road lines up

2393
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,480
with the air airport and the glide path.

2394
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:53,679
Could you show me that picture, please?

2395
01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:56,639
So, you show a 54 foot truck up there,

2396
01:49:56,639 --> 01:49:58,800
and it's a lot taller than a regular

2397
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,960
vehicle. The other day when I came home,

2398
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,600
the airplane was down low enough to

2399
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:09,679
where it could have struck a vehicle.

2400
01:50:09,679 --> 01:50:12,719
Other thing I want you to consider is

2401
01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:15,280
what is the manufacturer's noise limits

2402
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,679
going to be? Just as the neighbors

2403
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:20,480
mentioned earlier today,

2404
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:22,320
they're going to have vacuums. They're

2405
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:23,920
going to have all kinds of stuff that's

2406
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,239
outside the building,

2407
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:29,040
not depicted on that building.

2408
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,360
Okay? So, they're going to have to

2409
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,679
listen to that every day. And also,

2410
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:36,080
you're going to have the trash

2411
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,840
going to now be increased noise from

2412
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:39,679
that. So, I would ask that that be

2413
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:41,920
considered as well for all those people

2414
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,679
that are living around that that

2415
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:45,760
building.

2416
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:49,040
The next thing in there is the light

2417
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,560
pollution and then the track vehicles

2418
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,280
that come into this site. Right now is

2419
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:58,400
they said Monday through Friday.

2420
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,000
I actually work with people that build

2421
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,719
this stuff.

2422
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:04,719
They're going to be there on Saturday.

2423
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:06,320
They're going to be there on Sunday. It

2424
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,159
doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what you

2425
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,960
or I say. They're going to show up at

2426
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,880
whatever hour they need to get the job

2427
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,239
done.

2428
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:16,880
So, please consider that.

2429
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,560
Would ask that the fire department come

2430
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,040
back out and look at that site and make

2431
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:22,880
sure that it's supported. There's

2432
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,600
nothing that depicts the fire hydrants.

2433
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,080
And I would ask that the fire uh

2434
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,080
protection officer

2435
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,000
that's reviewed those plans go back and

2436
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,600
look at that again, especially the

2437
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,920
radiuses around those vehicles. Thank

2438
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:41,510
you for your time. Thank you.

2439
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:49,830
» Paul Flatt.

2440
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,080
» Uh my name is Paul Flat. I live at 12

2441
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,480
North Queen Victoria Court and that's

2442
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:57,440
located about 400 ft to the right of the

2443
01:51:57,440 --> 01:52:00,320
property line where that property is.

2444
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,880
Been there 24 years and moved there

2445
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:04,159
because it was residential, light

2446
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:09,440
residential. And uh as some people I'm opposed to it. Many of the reasons

2447
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:11,760
people have already said among the

2448
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,719
things this is isolated. The property to

2449
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:16,960
the south is going to be encroaching on

2450
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,080
the glide path of the airport. Uh last

2451
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,800
year I had an airplane fly so low. I

2452
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,880
reported his end number was like in my

2453
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,440
face. He was that low. And I reported

2454
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:29,040
that had a call back a few months later

2455
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:31,520
that he had problems. He made this bank

2456
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,080
turn and it would have been like maybe a

2457
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,800
100 feet over this building. Probably

2458
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,040
not very good. Uh I ask you to look at

2459
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:40,560
the bigger picture. [clears throat]

2460
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,159
Several years ago, high school was built

2461
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:45,119
to the south. Some sidewalks around the

2462
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:47,760
high school. Great. Nothing extended

2463
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,639
north or south. Roundabout was built

2464
01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:52,880
really nice. Wonderful. Took care of

2465
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:55,520
traffic a lot. Again, no pedestrian

2466
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:58,159
access at all. Pedestrians tend to walk

2467
01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:00,719
through that area. Good luck. And every

2468
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:02,560
day I see pedestrians on the side of

2469
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:04,560
Happy Valley. Now, Happy Valley is going

2470
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:06,400
to grow. Understand that. It is a major

2471
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,480
north south road. They already have

2472
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:10,880
congestion where it intersects with the

2473
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,520
interstate. There's a lot of This is a

2474
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,760
much bigger picture. Looking at this one

2475
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,239
little thing. Oh, it's only small little

2476
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:21,440
change, but it affects everything around

2477
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:24,800
it. I oppose it. Please don't do this.

2478
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:30,950
Thank you.

2479
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:38,390
Mario DeLeon.

2480
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:41,040
Uh, good evening. Mario Deleó, 985 West

2481
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:44,523
Corporate Lane. Uh, I'm here. We believe

2482
01:53:44,523 --> 01:53:46,159
[clears throat] Light Industrial is a

2483
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,080
logical and compatible use for this

2484
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,040
property for several reasons. First, the

2485
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:52,719
property is contiguous with the

2486
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:54,560
city-owned property immediately to the

2487
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,280
south, making this a natural extension

2488
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,679
of existing city land and development

2489
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:02,560
patterns rather than isolated industrial

2490
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,080
use.

2491
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:05,760
Second, the property sits directly

2492
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,840
across Happy Valley Road from the

2493
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:10,480
municipal airport. Allowing appropriate

2494
01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:12,159
light industrial development in this

2495
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,560
location can help protect the long-term

2496
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,119
viability of the airport by creating

2497
01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:19,520
compatible uses around it, reducing

2498
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,360
potential for additional residential

2499
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,760
development immediately adjacent to the

2500
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:25,789
airport operations.

2501
01:54:25,789 --> 01:54:27,040
[snorts] Third, this area of Happy

2502
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:29,520
Valley Road is already changing between

2503
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,360
Victory Road and Stan Lane. Multiple

2504
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:32,560
commercial and light industrial

2505
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,560
properties have been built or have been

2506
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,119
approved. This proposal is consistent

2507
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:38,639
with the direction this corridor is

2508
01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:40,639
already moving in and would complement

2509
01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:43,599
those existing uses. Light industrial

2510
01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:45,199
also provides an opportunity for

2511
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:47,119
additional business investment

2512
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:50,239
employment and ex and expansion of NA's

2513
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:52,960
tax base.

2514
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,800
For those reasons, I believe Light

2515
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:56,320
Industrial is an appropriate long-term

2516
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:58,080
use for this property and a good fit for

2517
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,400
the city of Nampa. Thank you.

2518
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:05,430
>> Thank you.

2519
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:17,990
Jared Hopson.

2520
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,159
Uh, Mr. Chair, city council, my name is

2521
01:55:20,159 --> 01:55:24,000
Jared Hobson, uh, 10622 West Sandpiper,

2522
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,159
uh, Boisee, Idaho. Uh, I'm actually the

2523
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:28,960
owner of Western Specialties.

2524
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,199
Um, and I've been looking forward to

2525
01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:32,800
this project for many years as well as

2526
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,920
my employees. Um, we are uh growing

2527
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,719
business. Uh, we are uh maxed out where

2528
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,960
we are currently in Garden City as was

2529
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,040
mentioned earlier and uh this is a

2530
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,400
project that we look forward to for many

2531
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,840
years. Uh hopefully you can see that as

2532
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:52,719
uh been stated it does not um uh it

2533
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:55,040
matches adjacent properties and it will

2534
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:56,639
be a good improvement to that property

2535
01:55:56,639 --> 01:55:59,280
currently. Uh, thank you for your time.

2536
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:02,629
>> Thank you.

2537
01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:04,159
» And Chairman Miller, if I may, for the

2538
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:06,560
record, um, just out of a total

2539
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:08,400
abundance of caution, I do know Mr.

2540
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,119
Hopson. Technically, he is a relative of

2541
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:13,119
the fifth degree to me. If you want to

2542
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:14,960
know what that is, that would be my

2543
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,800
wife's cousin's husband. And, uh, Idaho

2544
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:20,560
law would not require this. There's no

2545
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,320
financial interest I have in it, but

2546
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,719
just an abundance of caution. Um, just

2547
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,719
note that for the record and the legal

2548
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:28,639
advice I'll give here is as if it was

2549
01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:30,719
another stranger here as an applicant,

2550
01:56:30,719 --> 01:56:32,880
but just an abundance of caution. It's

2551
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,960
good to see you, Jared.

2552
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:36,400
>> That's assuming we would have figured

2553
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,639
out what fifth degree is. [laughter] I'm

2554
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:42,470
still trying to Google it.

2555
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,719
» Thank you, Preston.

2556
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:47,199
>> Thank you. I apologize if I get your

2557
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:56,709
name wrong. Juliano Seafur.

2558
01:56:56,719 --> 01:56:58,239
» Uh, thank you for letting me speak

2559
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,320
tonight. My name is Juliano. Um, I live

2560
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,599
over at 11 North P Victoria Court, a

2561
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:06,719
little bit closer than Paul, but uh, I

2562
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:08,320
had written a whole list of things to

2563
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:09,599
talk about, but at the end of the day,

2564
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:11,599
every single one of my neighbors uh, hit

2565
01:57:11,599 --> 01:57:14,159
on each point. Um, it is important, it

2566
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:15,679
is important to emphasize the amount of

2567
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:17,280
traffic that'll be increased on Happy

2568
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:18,320
Valley. I understand it's part of the

2569
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:20,800
master plan. It'd be one thing if that

2570
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:22,639
master plan was already in place to the

2571
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:25,119
point of traffic control, but it's not.

2572
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:26,560
We've got a roundabout down there that

2573
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,119
was done a few years ago. People have

2574
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:31,440
hitten that light. I uh I have

2575
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,440
experience as an EMT. I did some medical

2576
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:34,880
training. I have assisted multiple

2577
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:37,520
people in accidents along that road,

2578
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:39,199
including a gentleman who got sideswiped

2579
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:42,239
on a motorcycle. Um, as a writer myself,

2580
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:43,760
motorcycles are cautioned in that

2581
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:45,360
roundabout area just because of the

2582
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:47,440
severe amount of traffic and people

2583
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:48,719
generally not knowing how to use a

2584
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:50,639
roundabout. Um, I'm pretty sure

2585
01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:52,000
everybody here in this room knows that

2586
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,760
one. Um, so traffic is a huge issue. But

2587
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,000
the other thing too is I am a consultant

2588
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,360
for a cleaning company here in the

2589
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:02,239
valley. We service over 400 customers,

2590
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:05,040
small businesses. Um, stuff like Western

2591
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:06,480
Specialties, you know, some of my

2592
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:08,400
customers today are Greylock, Gem State

2593
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:10,000
Doors and Millwork Work. I understand

2594
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,920
the work that these gentlemen do. So,

2595
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,119
when somebody tells me that they're

2596
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:15,920
going to be there from 7:30 to 5, I'm a

2597
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,239
cleaner. I know what time you're there.

2598
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:19,679
I know when we take your trash. I know

2599
01:58:19,679 --> 01:58:21,040
when to clean your restrooms. And that's

2600
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,360
just a flatout lie. I've been there many

2601
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:24,960
times in the weekends and have people do

2602
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:26,400
double shifts and overnight shifts

2603
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:29,040
because they got big orders. This kind

2604
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,440
of building put into a place where

2605
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:32,880
there's adjacent to residential

2606
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:34,960
properties makes me wonder why I bought

2607
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:36,719
my house in the first place. You know,

2608
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:38,159
if that's the kind of zoning that'll be.

2609
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:39,440
I mean, I think everybody in this room

2610
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,000
who lives close by, if you told us that

2611
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:43,199
you're going to put six or seven homes

2612
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:44,480
on that property, I'm pretty sure that

2613
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:45,760
other developer would have loved this

2614
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:48,800
place, um, I probably wouldn't be

2615
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,080
opposed to it. Probably be a little

2616
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,159
pissed off about eight, nine, 10 homes

2617
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:54,880
there, right? But this, this is a whole

2618
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:57,199
different monster. I service so many

2619
01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:58,719
places that look like this that have

2620
01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:01,679
traffic levels

2621
01:59:01,679 --> 01:59:03,440
are just insane. And at the end of the

2622
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:05,040
day, the numbers that are probably

2623
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,679
given, you know, 14 employees,

2624
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:09,199
the gentleman from Western Specialty

2625
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:11,840
said himself, he's a growing company.

2626
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,080
They've already maxed out their space.

2627
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:15,920
What's to say as time goes on, they

2628
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,520
don't try to fill this space even a

2629
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,280
little bit further, push it a little

2630
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,840
further, store a little bit more? I can

2631
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,960
only imagine the kind of risk it'll put.

2632
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:26,560
The other thing, too, is I've got a

2633
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,840
wife, four kids, right? We sit in a back

2634
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,320
uh in our backyard. I've got a giant

2635
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:35,199
covered patio that we look out of. My

2636
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:36,239
neighbors probably think I'm crazy

2637
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:37,679
because the kind of patio that I put in,

2638
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:40,480
but we enjoy it. We look at the Warhawk

2639
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,320
uh shows that they put off in August,

2640
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,960
the Warhawk Roundup, if you all have

2641
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:46,960
seen it. We enjoy looking outside of our

2642
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,360
backyard. Putting something like this up

2643
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:53,119
blocks it. The sunsets blocked. Um and

2644
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:55,280
that's just the comfort side of things.

2645
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:56,800
Um I'd probably say those are

2646
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:58,639
insignificant to the safety side of

2647
01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:00,320
things. Again, as somebody who's

2648
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,239
serviced over 400 people in the valley,

2649
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:04,080
who appreciates the growth, who benefits

2650
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:06,800
from the growth, I don't think this is

2651
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:08,159
the right kind of building to put into

2652
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:11,199
place so close to residential places,

2653
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:13,520
residential homes that are counter to

2654
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:15,119
it. Thank you for your time.

2655
02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:19,270
>> Thank you.

2656
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,440
Mr. Chair. No further names

2657
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,800
were submitted for public testimony.

2658
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,560
Is there anyone one else in the audience

2659
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,239
that would like to speak for against or

2660
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:30,159
undecided on this? Okay, we'll just take

2661
02:00:30,159 --> 02:00:31,520
you one at a time. So, go ahead and come

2662
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:37,168
on up and give us your name and address.

2663
02:00:37,178 --> 02:00:47,189
[laughter]

2664
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:48,560
» I'll [cough] bring her with me.

2665
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,800
>> No, you have to speak.

2666
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,119
My name is Chris Avery and I am the

2667
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:56,480
great housewoman, Virginia's sister. So

2668
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,599
I'm at 13 North Campbell. Her home and

2669
02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:02,000
Steve's home has helped our family. It's

2670
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,159
a large home. They've lived there 13

2671
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:06,960
years. Um they [cough and clears throat]

2672
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:09,119
have helped our family many ways. Many

2673
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,920
people have come and stayed and enjoyed

2674
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:14,880
Christmases there. Uh New Year's there.

2675
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,599
We go out on their deck and you can see

2676
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:21,760
the valley on the 4th of July. One of

2677
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:23,520
our favorite things is watching the air

2678
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,840
show this weekend.

2679
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:28,268
I am greatly opposed to this

2680
02:01:28,268 --> 02:01:28,880
[clears throat]

2681
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:32,080
and my family that is out of town is

2682
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:35,040
like you get in there and tell them

2683
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:38,080
no, we're opposed all of the reasons

2684
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:41,360
that they have given. And I appreciate,

2685
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,840
you know, owner of Western Specialties.

2686
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:47,440
I love that he's local. There are many

2687
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:50,080
places in Nampa that are already

2688
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:51,760
industrial.

2689
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:54,159
No reason

2690
02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:58,000
leave it residential and we can work

2691
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:00,560
with that. But this with the airport

2692
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,960
right there,

2693
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:05,440
I oppose greatly. Thank you.

2694
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:09,030
>> Thank you.

2695
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:10,960
Is there anybody else in the audience

2696
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:15,510
that' like to speak this evening?

2697
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:18,719
Nope. Nope. Got to come up.

2698
02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:20,000
Need your name and address for the

2699
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,589
record, please.

2700
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:26,480
Ryder, 34 North Happy Valley Road. I

2701
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:30,000
submitted an opposal, an opposed comment

2702
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:32,639
online and I didn't see it. Does that

2703
02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:34,560
actually make its way to you?

2704
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,040
>> Why don't you just tell us what you

2705
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:38,560
>> It's pretty much what everyone else

2706
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:41,920
says. It will severely disrupt the

2707
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,080
nature of our neighborhood. We have

2708
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:47,280
livestock and most of our neighbors do

2709
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:50,560
also. So that is a concern the health

2710
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,719
and well-being of our livestock as well

2711
02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:56,560
as our our families. The emissions that

2712
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,760
are going to be in the air.

2713
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:03,599
The noise is very disruptive to all the

2714
02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:05,599
livestock actually. horses, cows,

2715
02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:08,480
chickens, they get very distressed by

2716
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,560
that type of thing.

2717
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:13,119
The gist of it is this does not fit in

2718
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,520
this neighborhood. It's a nice quiet

2719
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,119
neighborhood.

2720
02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:19,679
We don't need industrial here. It's

2721
02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:22,239
zoned as residential. I would like to

2722
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:24,800
see it remain residential.

2723
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:29,189
>> Thank you.

2724
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:35,350
Okay. Anybody else?

2725
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,000
Hey, Mr. Durant, come back up answer

2726
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,830
some questions.

2727
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:51,750
Have questions,

2728
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:53,440
» comments heard, and then we can

2729
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:56,880
>> Yeah, you have.

2730
02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:00,880
So, regarding some of the comments, um,

2731
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:02,400
I'll address a couple of those

2732
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,159
specifically.

2733
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:08,080
Um, regarding the gentleman who,

2734
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:12,960
um, referred to Western Specialties as

2735
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:15,040
maybe being dishonest in how they

2736
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,520
perform their business.

2737
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:19,679
I would suggest that that he is

2738
02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:22,560
completely incorrect. He may service 400

2739
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:24,639
other businesses.

2740
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:26,639
I believe that he services Western

2741
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:28,560
Specialties so he should not be speaking

2742
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:31,679
as if he does. The hours represented

2743
02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:34,080
that Western Specialties works is the

2744
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,960
hours that they work. The vehicle trips

2745
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:40,880
that we discussed are accurate and they

2746
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:46,719
are they are exactly what we do. Um the

2747
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:50,400
number of 14 employees would be with

2748
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,239
doubling the size of their current

2749
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:55,280
operation. Currently they have 8 to 10

2750
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:57,840
employees.

2751
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:00,960
I would al also like to just um just

2752
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:04,320
share with the fact that

2753
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:07,360
the seller made an um a strategic

2754
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:11,040
decision in how they proposed to market

2755
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,840
and sell this building. Their choice was

2756
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:17,040
to go the light industrial route because

2757
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:19,360
they were going to continue to live in

2758
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:21,920
this location.

2759
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:23,679
There were offers available and

2760
02:05:23,679 --> 02:05:25,760
opportunities available for highdensity

2761
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:27,440
housing which is located just to the

2762
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,280
north of this property across, you know,

2763
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:31,599
about a half a mile away.

2764
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:34,560
And if this were to be annexed in and go

2765
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,400
to the high density route, well, you

2766
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:38,560
would have buildings the same size as

2767
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:41,280
far as the height. Your vehicle trips

2768
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,440
would be triple or quadruple to what

2769
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:45,199
we're suggesting that they would be with

2770
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:46,960
this development.

2771
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:50,560
The noise pollution would be immense.

2772
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:52,080
Um

2773
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:54,560
the uh the pollution that would come

2774
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:57,280
just from children in neighborhood

2775
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:59,840
traffic would be incredible. It was

2776
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:05,199
discussed that uh potentially that the waste from Western specialties could

2777
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:07,679
be hazardous to the health of the

2778
02:06:07,679 --> 02:06:11,760
neighborhood. Um completely incorrect.

2779
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:14,320
I I think that the concerns that have

2780
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:17,280
been addressed

2781
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:19,679
while emotional

2782
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:22,880
may not be completely factual

2783
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:27,520
and I appreciate the emotion.

2784
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,360
is a really really important

2785
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:31,360
thing.

2786
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:33,360
One of the guarantees that we have in

2787
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:35,520
the state of Idaho is the right to use

2788
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,520
our property.

2789
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:40,960
And as a property owner, I do not have

2790
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,280
to guarantee the visual sighteline of my

2791
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,119
neighbor.

2792
02:06:45,119 --> 02:06:48,880
I have a property that has a wall from

2793
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,920
my neighbor.

2794
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:53,679
The only way I could control that

2795
02:06:53,679 --> 02:06:55,520
neighborhood property is if I chose to

2796
02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:00,639
buy it. Then I could control that.

2797
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:03,599
the the property owner has the right to

2798
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:05,920
use this property in the highest and

2799
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,800
best manner in which they see fit so

2800
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:11,679
long as it's compatible with the

2801
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:13,599
comprehensive plan and the codes and

2802
02:07:13,599 --> 02:07:17,760
ordinances that the city imposes.

2803
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,000
The property and the development that

2804
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:23,360
we're proposing is to annex the property

2805
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:25,679
light industrial which is contiguous

2806
02:07:25,679 --> 02:07:27,867
across the street to the west and to

2807
02:07:27,867 --> 02:07:29,920
[clears throat] the south.

2808
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:33,840
We're proposing that we put in a project

2809
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:37,599
that that may appear large to a

2810
02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:40,880
homeowner but actually is quite small

2811
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:43,119
when you view it in a light industrial

2812
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:44,800
application.

2813
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,440
And to find a lot that you can put a

2814
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:50,400
smaller project on is very challenging

2815
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,880
in the whole Treasure Valley.

2816
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:56,159
Very, very challenging. And so we're

2817
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:59,280
proposing this project and we we ask you

2818
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:02,400
to review it on its merits and to

2819
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:06,149
approve the annexation.

2820
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:08,800
» Question.

2821
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,840
>> Yeah, Mr. Chair, I have a question. Um,

2822
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:13,280
and please don't take this I'm not

2823
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:14,880
trying to be argumentative, but I just

2824
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,840
wanted to comment on what you said as

2825
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,760
far as compatibility.

2826
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:23,360
Um, I I don't disagree with you 100%,

2827
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:25,520
but wouldn't compatibility in that

2828
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:29,199
context also include the surrounding

2829
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:32,639
existing residential homes?

2830
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:34,960
How would how how do you square the

2831
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:38,960
compatibility of this project with those

2832
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:43,194
that are literally 20 to 40 feet away?

2833
02:08:43,194 --> 02:08:43,440
[clears throat]

2834
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,840
>> Thank you for the question.

2835
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:49,760
If I started on Happy Valley Road and I

2836
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:53,280
was driving from, let's say, Airport

2837
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:56,719
Road headed south and I was making a

2838
02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:58,960
visual observation

2839
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:00,800
of the neighborhood and how the

2840
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:02,800
neighborhood was developing and the

2841
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:07,040
compatibility of that corridor.

2842
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,199
I would have

2843
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:11,440
light industrial projects intermixed

2844
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:14,880
with residential. I would have high high

2845
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,360
density residential and I have an

2846
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:20,239
airport. And when I'm squaring the

2847
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:23,520
compatibility in the neighborhood, I'm

2848
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:26,239
looking at the whole what is it today?

2849
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:28,079
What is it going to be in five years?

2850
02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:32,149
And where is it going to be in 20?

2851
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:36,320
I believe that the city has forecasts

2852
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,440
the direction that they want to go by

2853
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:41,599
approving the light industrial projects

2854
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:43,599
around Happy Valley that are in close

2855
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:46,159
proximity to this property.

2856
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:49,199
I believe that the airport

2857
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:51,119
has forecast that we want light

2858
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:53,040
industrial properties to surround the

2859
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:54,719
airport.

2860
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:56,560
And so that's how I square my

2861
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:01,109
compatibility issue.

2862
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:03,199
I must be

2863
02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:06,079
not remembering,

2864
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:09,199
but what other light industrial

2865
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:10,719
properties

2866
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:14,719
around that area and and other than the

2867
02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:19,119
closer you get to the freeway?

2868
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:21,679
Are there any other and the airport

2869
02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:22,400
obviously?

2870
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:24,560
>> Yeah, you got a couple that new new one

2871
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:27,440
just south of airport on the east side.

2872
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:28,800
They've got two of the buildings up. I

2873
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:29,920
think there's one or two more buildings

2874
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:30,480
going on there.

2875
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:33,040
>> That's right. You got the brand new one

2876
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:35,440
on the other side that cleaning company

2877
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:38,400
that has that great big barbecuer that

2878
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:38,800
we

2879
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:42,320
>> There's Oh, yeah. Okay. There's You

2880
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:44,480
drive that a billion times a day and you

2881
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:46,239
forget. You just forget all this stuff.

2882
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:48,079
So, I appreciate that. And then there is

2883
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:51,360
some down airport or down Victory.

2884
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:52,880
>> Um,

2885
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:54,079
>> yeah, there's that new one that's going

2886
02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:55,679
in right as you come around the round

2887
02:10:55,679 --> 02:10:56,239
right there.

2888
02:10:56,239 --> 02:10:57,280
>> All right.

2889
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:58,800
>> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate I

2890
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:07,750
appreciate the the comments. Thank you.

2891
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:09,920
» There was there's questions about light

2892
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:14,320
pollution and noise pollution from not I

2893
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:16,400
mean I think the truck noise is pretty

2894
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:21,119
clear. Do you want to speak to what the operational noise like in the shops

2895
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:24,400
is and then like the lighting?

2896
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:27,679
>> Yes. So, the operational noise that

2897
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:31,119
would come from I'll address the 30,000

2898
02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:34,880
square foot building. Um, there's

2899
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:36,639
several components that are happening

2900
02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:42,000
within that building. You have the weld

2901
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,800
shop where you're going to weld a a

2902
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:48,880
frame of a of a hollow metal frame door.

2903
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:51,440
And then you have the wood shop. And the

2904
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:55,679
wood shop is cutting a like a window

2905
02:11:55,679 --> 02:12:00,400
unit into a an already already developed

2906
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:03,599
wood slab.

2907
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:06,800
So within those units there will be um

2908
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:10,639
there will be dust mitigation controls

2909
02:12:10,639 --> 02:12:12,960
and those dust mitigation controls will

2910
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:16,560
be housed within the building but bagged

2911
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,880
outside.

2912
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:21,119
So there will be a hopper that is

2913
02:12:21,119 --> 02:12:24,719
collecting that sawdust or that refined

2914
02:12:24,719 --> 02:12:26,320
dust.

2915
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:31,040
Um in the shop itself there will be a

2916
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:34,400
saw to cut and there will be a drill

2917
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:43,360
that would actually drill a hole for a lock set. And then there would also be

2918
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:46,079
a welding machine.

2919
02:12:46,079 --> 02:12:48,320
uh the welding machine. I mean, I

2920
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,159
couldn't speak to decibb. I know that

2921
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:52,000
I've been

2922
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:54,239
um at the existing location where these

2923
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,400
functions are performed.

2924
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:59,520
They're inside.

2925
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,119
As a customer outside, I've never

2926
02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:03,280
noticed any noise.

2927
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:08,239
Um the shops, both shops aren't running,

2928
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:10,719
I don't think more than six hours per

2929
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:13,920
day as far as actually time frame. It's

2930
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:16,000
done during business hours between the

2931
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:20,560
hours of 8 am and 5:00 pm.

2932
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:25,360
There could be people home, but I don't think that the noise from inside

2933
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:29,280
the building would be audible to anybody

2934
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:32,000
standing at the property line.

2935
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:33,840
>> What about um loading and unloading

2936
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:34,880
trucks?

2937
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:36,960
>> Loading and unloading trucks. Like I

2938
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:39,599
said earlier, currently there's about

2939
02:13:39,599 --> 02:13:42,639
one truck that comes per day.

2940
02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:46,560
Um, if that were to double and maximize,

2941
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,719
then that would be two truck per day.

2942
02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:50,880
And that would be a semi-truck enclosed

2943
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:52,480
van.

2944
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:55,840
Um, it takes approximately from the time

2945
02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:57,760
the truck arrives until he's unloaded,

2946
02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,840
it takes approximately an hour, hour and

2947
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:02,560
a half to do the unload.

2948
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:04,400
Truck will back up into the loading

2949
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:07,679
dock. um dock cushions around the the

2950
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,560
truck and then a forklift will go inside

2951
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:13,199
the loading dock or inside the truck to

2952
02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:16,480
move the material inside into the

2953
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:21,040
appropriate place or rack storage. Um

2954
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,040
the forklift

2955
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,280
electric or propane,

2956
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,760
it does have a backup sensor. It's it's

2957
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:31,440
contained inside the building. I again I

2958
02:14:31,440 --> 02:14:33,199
don't know that you would you would hear

2959
02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:36,000
it outside

2960
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:37,920
have to be

2961
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:40,320
extremely

2962
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:43,520
good hearing to hear that. Um the other

2963
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,239
operations inside the shop are just

2964
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:48,000
office

2965
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:57,990
far as clerical work and and sales.

2966
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,760
Good.

2967
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:05,669
Thank you for your time.

2968
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:08,960
» So, I move to close public hearing.

2969
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:10,159
>> Second.

2970
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:11,840
>> Been moved by Commissioner Kirkman,

2971
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:13,840
seconded by Kho to close the public

2972
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:15,599
hearing. All those in favor?

2973
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:18,800
>> I [clears throat] closed. Okay. Public

2974
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:24,149
testimony portion is closed.

2975
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:32,149
Uh

2976
02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:34,800
the southern property, Rodney, for the

2977
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:38,880
city. What are potential develop? Could

2978
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:41,599
that ever develop into anything?

2979
02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:42,320
>> What's [cough and clears throat] a race

2980
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:43,760
>> or Daniel?

2981
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,400
>> I think we know this both of us. um

2982
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:51,760
because it's in that uh uh the

2983
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:56,239
airport runway protection zone RPZ. Um

2984
02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:57,920
there's really nothing that can be

2985
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:00,639
developed on that that property.

2986
02:16:00,639 --> 02:16:01,119
>> Okay.

2987
02:16:01,119 --> 02:16:03,199
>> Turn it into a park.

2988
02:16:03,199 --> 02:16:04,560
>> Excuse me.

2989
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,289
a park

2990
02:16:07,289 --> 02:16:09,199
[clears throat]

2991
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:14,229
>> um

2992
02:16:14,239 --> 02:16:15,920
in in [clears throat] an industrial zone

2993
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:18,560
like this, is there any decibel

2994
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:23,750
limitations?

2995
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:27,760
» Um Mr. Chairman, again, Rodney Ashby, um

2996
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:31,360
I mean, this is a subjective question.

2997
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:36,000
Um I think um you you need to balance

2998
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,399
the needs of the area and the

2999
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:40,559
compatibility of the area and that's a

3000
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:42,240
tough decision.

3001
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:46,080
>> Um we don't have specific decibb listed

3002
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:50,559
in code for this zone. Um so you'd have

3003
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:53,200
to think about that. But our code just

3004
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:55,679
says a nuisance. It shouldn't become a

3005
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:59,519
nuisance. I I'm I've struggled with that

3006
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:01,519
language because I don't know what that

3007
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:02,719
means exactly.

3008
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:04,160
>> Different for different people.

3009
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,399
>> Yeah. Different for different people. So

3010
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:08,719
I I think this is a a decision you have

3011
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:10,080
to make.

3012
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:12,719
>> While you're there, Rodney, get back. Um

3013
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:16,880
so the airport manager, whoever is for

3014
02:17:16,880 --> 02:17:18,479
this,

3015
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:20,639
what what would the airport prefer to

3016
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:22,559
have close to it? Would they rather have

3017
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:26,719
industrial or residential? Yeah, this um

3018
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:31,280
Mr. Chair and Commissioner Turner, um so

3019
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:32,800
I've had this conversation with the

3020
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,359
airport commission and with the airport

3021
02:17:35,359 --> 02:17:38,240
uh uh superintendent, and both of them

3022
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:41,040
have said what they prefer is

3023
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:44,960
industrial. What they don't want is lots

3024
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:48,080
of people gathered together in

3025
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:49,840
residences

3026
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:52,639
that if there was a terrible accident

3027
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:56,479
that there be a lot of damage done.

3028
02:17:56,479 --> 02:18:00,479
>> So they what they see as less likely to

3029
02:18:00,479 --> 02:18:03,679
cause a problem is is the industrial use

3030
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:19,429
over the residential.

3031
02:18:19,439 --> 02:18:21,359
Mr. Chair, is that all questions you

3032
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:22,719
have?

3033
02:18:22,719 --> 02:18:23,359
>> Go ahead.

3034
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:25,200
>> Okay. I didn't want to interrupt. You

3035
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:26,479
looked like you were looking for another

3036
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:26,800
one.

3037
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:28,559
>> I'm in I'm in thought. Go ahead.

3038
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:32,399
>> All right. Uh, Daniel,

3039
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:34,479
you know this was about Happy Valley, so

3040
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:39,830
you knew this was going to come up.

3041
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,240
the

3042
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:44,880
you get one car on Happy Valley that's

3043
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:46,960
traveling south and I don't care if it's

3044
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:48,800
up by Locust or if it's up by the

3045
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:52,479
freeway if it wants to turn left and

3046
02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:57,439
it's at 4 or 5:00 it's going to back up

3047
02:18:57,439 --> 02:19:01,679
50 60 cars. I've been involved with that

3048
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:05,439
a number of times. You put one big semi

3049
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:07,439
52-footer

3050
02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:09,200
that is going to turn left into this

3051
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:11,679
coming south on Happy Valley, it's just

3052
02:19:11,679 --> 02:19:15,359
going to exacerbate the problem. So,

3053
02:19:15,359 --> 02:19:17,920
what is the possibility of putting a

3054
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,960
turn lane if this project were to move

3055
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:24,719
forward in that location to at least

3056
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:26,639
keep some of that traffic moving if a

3057
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:27,760
truck were there?

3058
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,599
>> That is certainly something that if you

3059
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:31,599
feel is appropriate, you can place as a

3060
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:33,359
condition of approval. Is there enough

3061
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:35,040
space

3062
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,280
>> there? The existing rideway in those

3063
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:40,399
areas, we have a 50- foot total, so 25

3064
02:19:40,399 --> 02:19:42,319
foot prescriptive on either side of the

3065
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:45,599
roadway. Um, so that does provide enough

3066
02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:47,920
room that with some widening on either

3067
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:52,080
side that can provide for a turn lane,

3068
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:53,439
>> but you're going to have to put one long

3069
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:57,040
enough to accommodate a 52 54 foot

3070
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:58,800
truck. Is there enough space that way

3071
02:19:58,800 --> 02:19:59,680
too?

3072
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:02,880
>> Yes. So, so we have that 50 feet up and

3073
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:04,560
down the entire length.

3074
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:06,560
>> Um, and so they would ultimately just

3075
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:08,560
have to design it such that

3076
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:11,600
>> that that's has the appropriate tapers

3077
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:14,640
and storage length and that for that.

3078
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:15,439
>> Okay.

3079
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:16,800
>> Can I follow up on that,

3080
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,240
>> please?

3081
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:20,880
>> I'd like to know the legality of like

3082
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:22,880
can we require that and can we require

3083
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:24,240
them to add a turn lane beyond the

3084
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,720
extents of their property or what's how

3085
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:27,600
does that work?

3086
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:29,200
>> Is that our road? That's not our road,

3087
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:30,640
is it? Happy Valley.

3088
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:31,920
>> Um,

3089
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:34,000
>> half of it. Anyways,

3090
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:36,240
>> one second.

3091
02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:37,600
>> The eastern half.

3092
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:39,600
>> I can wait till

3093
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:40,640
they know answers that question.

3094
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:42,240
>> Regardless of whether it's our road or

3095
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:44,240
not, we would be able to work with the

3096
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:49,120
highway district to make that happen. If that would not necessarily be a

3097
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:49,840
hindrance.

3098
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:52,000
>> Okay.

3099
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,240
>> Yeah. Commissioner, if I may, this gets

3100
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:57,120
to some constitutional principles. Nolan

3101
02:20:57,120 --> 02:20:59,040
and Nolan are some famous cases that

3102
02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:00,720
talk about where when you put a

3103
02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:02,399
condition on it has to be has to be

3104
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:04,479
roughly proportionate to what their

3105
02:21:04,479 --> 02:21:07,040
impact is. That's one prong. The other

3106
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:08,399
one there has to be a nexus, right? It

3107
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,560
has to be related to it. So you can't

3108
02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:12,720
have them put a you know a water tower

3109
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:14,560
in or amusement park, right? That's not

3110
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:16,479
related as much as you may want either

3111
02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:19,359
those or not. And so what's being

3112
02:21:19,359 --> 02:21:21,280
requested here if there's a rational if

3113
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:22,800
there's a nexus connected with the

3114
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,040
project and what is being requested as a

3115
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:27,040
rough proportionality

3116
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:29,200
to their impact that's what the law does

3117
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:31,760
allow you to do. Obviously the condition

3118
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:34,319
can't render the property entirely you

3119
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:37,439
know deprive it of all economic use or

3120
02:21:37,439 --> 02:21:40,880
just make it futile. Um so that's that's

3121
02:21:40,880 --> 02:21:43,600
the analysis you want to run Daniel's um

3122
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:45,359
or the condition that's being discussed

3123
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:47,600
through is it roughly proportionate and

3124
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:57,190
is there a nexus connection?

3125
02:21:57,200 --> 02:21:58,720
Well,

3126
02:21:58,720 --> 02:22:01,680
in that light, if the commission were to

3127
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:04,240
move down that road, no pun intended, I

3128
02:22:04,240 --> 02:22:08,479
think that that definitely would.

3129
02:22:08,479 --> 02:22:11,120
>> There would be a Lexus Nexus. Is that

3130
02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:12,000
what you said?

3131
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:13,280
>> A Nexus. It's

3132
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:17,030
>> he he'll get the joke. [laughter]

3133
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:19,280
» A Nexus and Yeah.

3134
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:20,640
>> Even just coming out of there to turn

3135
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:23,040
right and head back north. That road's

3136
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:25,439
not that wide there. That's

3137
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:26,800
It would just give them a little more

3138
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:28,399
room with a semi to be coming out there

3139
02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:30,080
to,

3140
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:32,160
you know, the ones that are turning

3141
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:34,080
right at airport there with those blocks

3142
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:36,640
right on the corner. They got to take up

3143
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:38,960
both lanes to get around that corner.

3144
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:40,160
>> They do.

3145
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,399
>> So

3146
02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:44,720
clarify. So nexus would be that it's

3147
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:46,720
related, which I think a left turn lane

3148
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,720
into it would be related. proportional

3149
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:50,319
mean

3150
02:22:50,319 --> 02:22:52,720
if it costs $10 million to do something

3151
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:54,560
and you know what I mean like and the

3152
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:57,520
property is selling for like is that

3153
02:22:57,520 --> 02:22:59,200
where the proportionality comes in or

3154
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:00,720
what's proportional mean

3155
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:03,680
>> chairman so the proportionality is

3156
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:06,000
really what impact they're anticipated

3157
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:07,600
and if there's a you know a study

3158
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:08,960
provided here if there's a traffic

3159
02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:12,960
impact study or other data um it may not

3160
02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:14,880
just hypothetical right it may not be

3161
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:17,040
proportions required you know a seven

3162
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:19,040
lane main road coming out of there,

3163
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:20,720
right? Based off the volume that's

3164
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:22,800
generated. So, you want whatever is

3165
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:24,479
there needs to have a rough proportion

3166
02:23:24,479 --> 02:23:26,399
to what they're bringing to the table

3167
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:29,439
and it needs to have that rough fit, if

3168
02:23:29,439 --> 02:23:30,800
you will. Doesn't have to be exact

3169
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:32,399
science. It's what the law said. It's a

3170
02:23:32,399 --> 02:23:34,319
rough proportionality.

3171
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:36,160
>> Thank you.

3172
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:37,520
>> And then the other test you'll run

3173
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,439
through on these is okay, would this

3174
02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:42,240
condition be arbitrary,

3175
02:23:42,240 --> 02:23:44,880
capricious, or an abuse of the

3176
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:46,960
discretion? Right? And there's pretty

3177
02:23:46,960 --> 02:23:48,399
the case law says there's pretty vast

3178
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:50,399
discretion and so those are kind of the

3179
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:52,960
fail safes so that you know there's not

3180
02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:54,560
you know crazy or ludicrous things that

3181
02:23:54,560 --> 02:23:57,439
are imposed. Um but starting point is

3182
02:23:57,439 --> 02:23:59,200
that nexus and then the rough

3183
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:01,680
portionality. So, what I'm hearing is we

3184
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:03,359
don't want to be putting on conditions

3185
02:24:03,359 --> 02:24:05,520
that are making it so hard you just

3186
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:10,630
can't develop as we want to.

3187
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:13,760
» If if the conditions were a nexus to it

3188
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,359
and roughly proportionate to their

3189
02:24:15,359 --> 02:24:17,520
impact, the law allows that to be

3190
02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:21,809
imposed.

3191
02:24:21,819 --> 02:24:22,240
[laughter]

3192
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:23,920
>> Now, just to be clear, the word

3193
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:25,280
reasonable and [snorts] unreasonable has

3194
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,280
not been used here. It's nexus and rough

3195
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:30,640
proportionality, right? So, So putting a

3196
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:32,160
condition

3197
02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:34,399
to add a center lane, a center turn lane

3198
02:24:34,399 --> 02:24:37,680
from victory to airport, it would not be

3199
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:40,720
com. Yeah, that would not be

3200
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:43,280
an appropriate condition.

3201
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:44,960
Um

3202
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:47,920
I, you know, on another note, I I'm

3203
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:49,120
struggling a little bit with the

3204
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:53,520
compatibility of this location. As much

3205
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:55,920
as I would love to bring business to

3206
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:58,000
Nampa and steal jobs away from other

3207
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:03,280
communities in the Treasure Valley, I I really struggle with the location of

3208
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:06,319
this industrial area

3209
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:09,040
in the compatibility arena of the

3210
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:10,800
residences

3211
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:13,760
that have been there for

3212
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:20,790
well, as long as I've been around.

3213
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:33,910
Just throwing that out there.

3214
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:36,960
Yeah, I understand uh the concern there,

3215
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:39,280
building height and all those kind of

3216
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:44,000
things. Um I can also respect property

3217
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:48,399
rights um for both sides.

3218
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:51,600
Um, and then I think down the road,

3219
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:52,880
what's Happy Valley going to look like

3220
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:56,000
in 10 years, 20 years?

3221
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,359
Looks a lot different now than it did

3222
02:25:57,359 --> 02:26:00,080
when I was a kid. That's for sure.

3223
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:02,000
>> Oh, there's just more cars on it. It

3224
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:03,760
doesn't look any different.

3225
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:12,309
>> It looks quite a bit different.

3226
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:14,720
But most of that traffic when highway 16

3227
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:16,720
or not highway 16. I think I asked this

3228
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:19,040
question at the last hearing or the last

3229
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:21,600
uh meeting uh

3230
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:24,479
meeting that we had was was about Happy

3231
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:26,399
Valley when it came up before and I

3232
02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:28,160
think that the tra the intent is the

3233
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:29,680
traffic's going to get pushed over to

3234
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:31,280
Robinson

3235
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:32,160
>> with um

3236
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:33,439
>> with Dur but yeah

3237
02:26:33,439 --> 02:26:36,720
>> Dur with Highway 16.

3238
02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:40,000
So there there's no plans

3239
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,040
to widen Happy Valley to a major

3240
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,640
arterial or a connector even though it

3241
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:46,160
goes straight to the freeway, which I

3242
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:48,160
still don't understand, Dan. But that

3243
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:50,240
that's just that's just my not

3244
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:50,800
understanding.

3245
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:52,080
>> We're going to let Daniel We're going to

3246
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:54,160
let Daniel speak to it. So we are

3247
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:55,680
>> that's the emotion that's coming

3248
02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:57,200
through.

3249
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,840
>> So So when you say there are no plans,

3250
02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:03,120
um that that is not 100% accurate. Oh,

3251
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:03,840
that's great.

3252
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:06,319
>> The Happy Happy Valley is planned to

3253
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:08,880
ultimately be a fivelane facility.

3254
02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:12,800
>> Um I do not have plans for construction

3255
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:17,200
of that right now. We are currently um

3256
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:20,240
reddoing our transportation master plan

3257
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:23,840
that will repprioritize and identify and

3258
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:28,800
so not knowing what um that that will

3259
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:31,520
bring. Happy Valley is one of our

3260
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:34,720
congested corridors and that may the

3261
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:36,319
priority structure that we have

3262
02:27:36,319 --> 02:27:38,880
currently that may with things that have

3263
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:41,280
been done that may change those

3264
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:43,760
priorities and so until we have that

3265
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:46,080
update in the transportation master plan

3266
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:48,479
I can't give you a definitive of when

3267
02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:53,040
that will happen but yes there is a the plan for Happy Valley will be

3268
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:56,479
ultimately a fivelane facility.

3269
02:27:56,479 --> 02:27:58,080
>> Okay.

3270
02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:00,399
at that time. Will they put left turn

3271
02:28:00,399 --> 02:28:02,640
lanes at airport?

3272
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:02,880
>> Okay.

3273
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:03,520
>> Yes.

3274
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:06,000
>> So, so it'll have it'll have left turn

3275
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:08,319
lane up and down, center turn lane, all

3276
02:28:08,319 --> 02:28:09,359
of that.

3277
02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:14,710
>> Y

3278
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:17,280
» Rodney or Terry,

3279
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:20,960
um, is there any other large industrial

3280
02:28:20,960 --> 02:28:22,720
areas that are not developed in this

3281
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:24,640
area or close by? I know you mentioned

3282
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:28,000
several which surprised Jeff, but I

3283
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:29,680
don't I never go out there my entire

3284
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:30,960
life. I've never been out there. I have

3285
02:28:30,960 --> 02:28:40,230
no idea what's out there.

3286
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:41,840
» Thank you, Chairman and Commissioner

3287
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:45,120
Kho. Um so what you see on the screen

3288
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:48,720
now is the future land use map and you

3289
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:52,399
can see that that whole southoutheastern

3290
02:28:52,399 --> 02:28:55,520
section is

3291
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:57,760
future land use map designation of

3292
02:28:57,760 --> 02:28:59,359
industrial.

3293
02:28:59,359 --> 02:29:02,240
So other potential industrial

3294
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:04,479
development there. I don't know of

3295
02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:06,640
anything specifically that's in the

3296
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:12,630
works.

3297
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:14,960
Oh, thank you. And Rodney points out

3298
02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:18,160
that it's also everything north of

3299
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:20,399
Victory almost all the way up to Kings

3300
02:29:20,399 --> 02:29:23,840
Road. So that whole northeast

3301
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:31,429
northwest, sorry, section.

3302
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:34,160
» Well, Mr. Chair, I I think I have the

3303
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:37,359
same struggle you're having is

3304
02:29:37,359 --> 02:29:40,640
we're pro business. We want to bring

3305
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:42,880
growing businesses here. I Some people

3306
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:44,479
have talking about how they'll work

3307
02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:46,319
harder than they say they work. I don't

3308
02:29:46,319 --> 02:29:49,439
know if I that's a bad thing. We want

3309
02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:51,280
hardworking business owners that are

3310
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:52,720
growing their businesses here in our

3311
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:56,399
community. Um

3312
02:29:56,399 --> 02:30:00,080
I think if if you look at this map,

3313
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:02,319
industrial does fit. I mean, we've got

3314
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:03,920
industrial across the street in both

3315
02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:06,319
directions and then we've got this the

3316
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:08,720
county residential on the other sides.

3317
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:10,640
We're at that the borderland where we

3318
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:14,000
always hit, right? And when we're at at

3319
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:16,560
these borders between two different

3320
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:19,280
types of uses, we look at compatibility

3321
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:22,560
of like are we transitioning?

3322
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:24,399
And

3323
02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:26,560
this is just such a big building right

3324
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:29,520
on that edge that it's it's hard to

3325
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:33,110
transition. I wish that

3326
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:35,600
I want to support it

3327
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:38,479
for economic reasons for the city, but

3328
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:41,439
it is a really big building on that edge

3329
02:30:41,439 --> 02:30:43,920
of that lot.

3330
02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:45,439
And I don't know if there's another way

3331
02:30:45,439 --> 02:30:47,200
to reconfigure that lot to make this

3332
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:49,359
work so that they're closer to Happy

3333
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:54,870
Valley. I mean, it gets narrower there.

3334
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,680
I I would just note that the current

3335
02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:00,000
zoning of the city-owned property to the

3336
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,680
south is light industrial,

3337
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:02,160
>> right?

3338
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:03,439
>> Um

3339
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:05,304
>> while the comp plan does show

3340
02:31:05,304 --> 02:31:06,880
[clears throat] it as residential, the

3341
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:10,399
current zoning of it is industrial,

3342
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:12,240
>> which is why I say it fits. And it's

3343
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,680
this border. Yeah. It's just this

3344
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:18,960
kind of no man's land between lower low

3345
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:20,399
density residential and light

3346
02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:22,399
industrial.

3347
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:25,680
I wish it was more of a transition like

3348
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:27,600
if the flex buildings were closer to the

3349
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:30,479
residential and the larger building was

3350
02:31:30,479 --> 02:31:32,960
closer to the road but the lot doesn't

3351
02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:33,840
>> doesn't work that way

3352
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:38,790
>> doesn't work for that

3353
02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:43,200
» car. Yeah. Um maybe Rody can answer this

3354
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:46,399
or that flight path, the red area on

3355
02:31:46,399 --> 02:31:50,160
that slide right there that cuts through

3356
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:55,760
looks like over 50% of that south lot.

3357
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:58,399
>> So is that like a no build zone?

3358
02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:01,520
>> Yeah, that's that's a zero zone. So even

3359
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:06,000
so yes, [clears throat] this lot is

3360
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:08,640
>> is technically right there and light

3361
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:10,640
industrial,

3362
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:13,520
>> but it's pretty much unusable.

3363
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:18,880
So, you know, you can use that. It's almost

3364
02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:30,950
>> Yeah.

3365
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:33,439
Miller and commissioners, I just wanted

3366
02:32:33,439 --> 02:32:36,000
to respond just briefly to the concerns

3367
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:38,479
about height.

3368
02:32:38,479 --> 02:32:43,840
So, if this came into the city and was

3369
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:46,880
zoned a zoning that matches the

3370
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:49,359
lowdensity residential land use

3371
02:32:49,359 --> 02:32:52,880
designation, that would put it as RA,

3372
02:32:52,880 --> 02:32:56,399
suburban residential, or an RS zoning

3373
02:32:56,399 --> 02:33:01,280
district. In both of those options,

3374
02:33:01,280 --> 02:33:04,160
the maximum building height for a

3375
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:08,319
residence is 30 feet

3376
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:11,840
and it would be a 15 foot rear yard

3377
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:16,000
setback and 5- foot sideyard setback. So

3378
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:18,960
the potential for

3379
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:23,760
a view blocking structure would be there

3380
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:26,880
whether we choose this industrial zoning

3381
02:33:26,880 --> 02:33:30,160
and their proposed 32 foot high building

3382
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:33,040
or a residential zoning within the city

3383
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:36,160
which would allow a 30 foot high

3384
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:37,840
building maximum

3385
02:33:37,840 --> 02:33:40,399
>> and that's again to the top plate of the

3386
02:33:40,399 --> 02:33:44,800
wall. It's not to the peaked roof. So

3387
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:47,520
technically you could have a very steep

3388
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:49,359
roof. You could have a very large house,

3389
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:51,520
very steep roof,

3390
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:56,240
wide house, which then can play into how

3391
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:59,680
high that roof peak can go. So

3392
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:02,800
potentially you could be another

3393
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:07,920
easily 18 feet or so potentially

3394
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:09,359
>> above that 30 foot wall.

3395
02:34:09,359 --> 02:34:11,600
>> I don't think that's true. No,

3396
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:12,319
>> there's

3397
02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:15,120
>> Chairman Miller and Commissioner Fine, I

3398
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:18,160
agree that we don't know what that very

3399
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:22,720
steeped peak roof could be or how long

3400
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:25,760
their building would be. I just wanted

3401
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:29,120
to add in that a 30-foot height

3402
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:31,439
allowance is allowed and the city

3403
02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:34,560
measures to the top plate of a building

3404
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:37,439
from grade to the top plate without the

3405
02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:40,640
peak involved. What's been proposed here

3406
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:42,479
is a

3407
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:44,399
>> to have a very high building to have a

3408
02:34:44,399 --> 02:34:45,600
very high roof line.

3409
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:49,359
>> Yeah. I mean, you could even 12 foot raptors, you're up to 42

3410
02:34:49,359 --> 02:34:50,000
ft.

3411
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:53,600
>> I I think to the the thought that the

3412
02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:56,479
setback would be significantly closer. I

3413
02:34:56,479 --> 02:34:59,680
mean, you 15 ft. So,

3414
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:00,479
>> we're talking

3415
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:01,920
>> 24T building could be

3416
02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:04,640
>> the east east boundary is the rear

3417
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:08,070
setback.

3418
02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:10,800
Correct.

3419
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:13,840
>> We typically determine the front based

3420
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:16,880
on the addressing of the building. So

3421
02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:20,240
assuming it remained this 4 foot large

3422
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:23,439
parcel, which doesn't necessarily fit in

3423
02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:26,960
our zoning requirements, um yes, front

3424
02:35:26,960 --> 02:35:29,760
would face Happy Valley and rear would

3425
02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:33,439
be to the east.

3426
02:35:33,439 --> 02:35:35,680
What what are the setbacks industrially

3427
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:40,309
for side setbacks?

3428
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:41,680
» This one has 50 feet.

3429
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:44,240
>> Well, I realize what it says, but my

3430
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,080
question is what are the setbacks?

3431
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:48,800
>> Yeah, sorry. Christie is quickly looking

3432
02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:50,800
that up for me because it makes a

3433
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:53,760
difference when it's setting next to um

3434
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:57,510
residential properties.

3435
02:35:57,520 --> 02:36:00,800
» So, 10 next to residential properties.

3436
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:02,479
So it could be 10 ft away from those

3437
02:36:02,479 --> 02:36:06,800
homes instead of 50 whatever feet.

3438
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:07,760
>> They're not going to do that because

3439
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:09,040
they won't be

3440
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:12,000
>> No. If if if this wasn't going to be

3441
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:14,319
built here suburban res.

3442
02:36:14,319 --> 02:36:18,479
>> I think what's important too is if this

3443
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:23,590
was voted on and passed,

3444
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:26,399
do we tie it to conceptual plan or do we

3445
02:36:26,399 --> 02:36:27,920
just say it's now light industrial, you

3446
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:29,600
can build what you want. because then

3447
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:31,200
they could say, "Oh, well, the setback

3448
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:34,080
is X. I've just changed my mind and I

3449
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:35,359
want to move the building even closer to

3450
02:36:35,359 --> 02:36:36,960
the neighbors."

3451
02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:39,680
>> Chairman Miller, that's an excellent um

3452
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:43,840
observation. And you could recommend to

3453
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:47,680
city council that they

3454
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:50,000
require a development agreement and

3455
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:53,600
things like that could be included in

3456
02:36:53,600 --> 02:36:58,150
the development agreement.

3457
02:36:58,160 --> 02:36:59,600
I mean, because we've we've seen plenty

3458
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:02,960
of things come before us that they say

3459
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:05,439
they want to do one thing and then it's

3460
02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:06,800
something totally different. So, that's

3461
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:10,080
why I like to try to tie it to something

3462
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:12,720
so we at least have some idea of what we

3463
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:15,600
said yes to and then what is going to

3464
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:17,920
happen moving forward. So

3465
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:19,840
>> I I think Ken, thank you for that

3466
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:21,359
context of the building heights that

3467
02:37:21,359 --> 02:37:22,560
would be allowed in the residential, but

3468
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:24,319
I I there's got to be a difference

3469
02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:28,399
between a 32 flat building that's 100 ft

3470
02:37:28,399 --> 02:37:31,840
long versus a a peak.

3471
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:33,359
It's just a different feel.

3472
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:34,240
>> Yeah.

3473
02:37:34,240 --> 02:37:37,600
>> Unless there's a series of buildings

3474
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:39,280
with peaks.

3475
02:37:39,280 --> 02:37:40,560
>> That's what I'm saying. That's less

3476
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:42,720
obtrusive than one giant.

3477
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:44,080
>> Oh, I thought you were just talking like

3478
02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:46,160
one building with a peak. I was like, I

3479
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:48,000
don't think they'd put one there.

3480
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:48,720
>> Of course.

3481
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:52,389
>> Yeah.

3482
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:55,280
» Which would

3483
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:57,200
>> I mean, even if that was the case, it'd

3484
02:37:57,200 --> 02:37:58,720
still bring a lot more traffic like the

3485
02:37:58,720 --> 02:38:00,160
applicant said, there'd be a lot more

3486
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:03,280
traffic there with

3487
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:04,800
>> if it was residential.

3488
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:09,190
>> Yep.

3489
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:16,309
» Sorry, I interrupted you.

3490
02:38:16,319 --> 02:38:18,080
Well, Mr. Chair, I think looking at that

3491
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:20,000
context and what we were just discussing

3492
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:27,280
in the and and I I think I'm not 100%

3493
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:31,120
with this industrial going here, but I'd

3494
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:34,880
rather see a 32 foot building than a 32

3495
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:38,399
foot building with 12oot peaks and more

3496
02:38:38,399 --> 02:38:42,160
traffic. I think, you know, I think it

3497
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:43,840
it's stretching a little bit, but I

3498
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:45,520
think it it does fit here. I mean,

3499
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:47,600
you've got industrial properties down

3500
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:51,359
the airport or down Victory. Um,

3501
02:38:51,359 --> 02:38:54,080
and and it's they're not they're not not

3502
02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:56,240
around this area.

3503
02:38:56,240 --> 02:38:58,720
I if I were to move forward with this

3504
02:38:58,720 --> 02:39:01,439
and and agree

3505
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:04,720
and vote yes, I would want a truck turn

3506
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:06,720
lane into this property, too, just to

3507
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:08,319
help alleviate some of that traffic

3508
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:10,240
that's going to get backed up. It

3509
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:13,840
already gets backed up at the at the

3510
02:39:13,840 --> 02:39:16,479
roundabout there, Victory in Happy

3511
02:39:16,479 --> 02:39:21,110
Valley.

3512
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:24,880
And I'm thinking out loud again. Um

3513
02:39:24,880 --> 02:39:26,479
I want and I guess I should ask the

3514
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:27,600
applicant. I wonder if there's a

3515
02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:31,120
specific reason for the 32 foot height

3516
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:32,000
um

3517
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:33,760
>> storage racks.

3518
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:36,000
>> Yeah. But I mean I visit a lot of

3519
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:37,840
facilities similar to this and I don't

3520
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,600
think that I've seen any 32 foot high

3521
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:41,359
storage racks because forklifts can't

3522
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:42,240
reach that high.

3523
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:45,680
>> Oh yeah. I mean depending and I guess I

3524
02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:46,560
understand but

3525
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:48,720
>> we don't do these kinds of buildings but

3526
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:50,800
36 clear height's pretty typical in a

3527
02:39:50,800 --> 02:39:52,319
big warehouse you know.

3528
02:39:52,319 --> 02:40:03,055
>> Guess I understand that then. So

3529
02:40:03,065 --> 02:40:07,990
[clears throat]

3530
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:10,560
I'm not sure if I'm on which way I'd

3531
02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:12,240
vote on a motion. I don't I don't know

3532
02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:13,760
that I could support a motion that had

3533
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:15,359
that requirement. That requirement makes

3534
02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:16,240
me nervous.

3535
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:18,000
>> What requirement?

3536
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:20,800
>> Why?

3537
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:28,550
>> It's a heavy burden.

3538
02:40:28,560 --> 02:40:31,680
» A fairly high expense.

3539
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:33,359
>> I like the idea, but I think

3540
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:35,280
>> but it's not necessarily the expense,

3541
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:38,160
it's the proportionality.

3542
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:39,920
>> Correct.

3543
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:40,399
you

3544
02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:42,479
>> you're listening Jeff [laughter]

3545
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:43,760
>> Nexus

3546
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:45,280
>> I see you're in the thick of it right

3547
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:49,200
now. Um so the proportionality is the

3548
02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:52,240
scope right what the market may or may

3549
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:56,479
not be on it um would be relevant here

3550
02:40:56,479 --> 02:40:59,359
but really the case law is okay what is

3551
02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:02,080
being asked here and you don't

3552
02:41:02,080 --> 02:41:03,760
necessarily take into consideration

3553
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:09,120
maybe the cost although that's more of a second analysis the

3554
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:10,960
first one is is it justified is it

3555
02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:13,600
roughly proportionate with their impact

3556
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:16,560
and then if so the Second one would be

3557
02:41:16,560 --> 02:41:19,760
yeah do you you believe that would be um

3558
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:23,120
proper to impose um again the costs can

3559
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:25,120
come into play but that's not the first

3560
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:27,200
analysis is is it proportionate

3561
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:28,880
>> well and I guess I have to I have to

3562
02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:33,280
look at it too um yes this is a specific

3563
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:38,880
a fairly specific um proposed use but

3564
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:40,800
what if something were to happen and

3565
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:42,560
that proposed use went by the wayside

3566
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:44,479
and it changes and now it's slight

3567
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:46,240
industrial And instead of one truck a

3568
02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:48,800
day, we get 15. I mean, it's slight

3569
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:52,080
industrial, so

3570
02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:53,920
I don't know. I mean, I'm struggling.

3571
02:41:53,920 --> 02:41:55,439
>> Well, then you definitely need a turn

3572
02:41:55,439 --> 02:41:55,760
line.

3573
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:57,280
>> Well, that's that's what I'm saying. I

3574
02:41:57,280 --> 02:41:59,840
understand both ways. And it's it's kind

3575
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:03,750
of a

3576
02:42:03,760 --> 02:42:06,080
» Could we just make a recommendation to

3577
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:07,600
city council if we were to move this

3578
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:10,479
forward that they take a serious look at

3579
02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:13,760
possibly requiring it if they deem

3580
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:16,960
necessary? Maybe by then Daniel could do

3581
02:42:16,960 --> 02:42:18,479
some a little bit of analysis or

3582
02:42:18,479 --> 02:42:21,840
something on it just to see if it

3583
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:24,000
instead of us requiring it, putting it

3584
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:24,720
on there.

3585
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:26,240
>> Would you be open to a motion that

3586
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:27,920
requires them to do a traffic impact

3587
02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:30,399
study and

3588
02:42:30,399 --> 02:42:32,160
>> required by the traffic impact study?

3589
02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:34,560
You know,

3590
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:37,280
I'm I I like the traffic impact studies,

3591
02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:40,000
but I have conducted my own traffic

3592
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:43,040
impact study about 50,000 times over the

3593
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:45,280
last few years as Happy Valley has

3594
02:42:45,280 --> 02:42:46,960
become bit busier and busier. And

3595
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:48,399
especially since they put that

3596
02:42:48,399 --> 02:42:52,560
roundabout in, you go at night or after

3597
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:55,120
in the afternoon, you can't get through

3598
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:57,359
there because everybody's coming west.

3599
02:42:57,359 --> 02:42:58,800
And it's the same thing at Amity. It's

3600
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:00,160
the same thing up at Greenhurst.

3601
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:01,359
Everybody's coming west. And you sit

3602
02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:02,640
there, you sit there, and you sit there.

3603
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:04,800
And yes, typically I'm one that's like,

3604
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:06,880
"Hey, traffic is traffic. We all got to

3605
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:10,080
deal with it." But you add a truck, a

3606
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:14,720
52, 54 foot semi that's sitting in that

3607
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:16,720
lane to turn left in this because

3608
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:18,640
there's all this traffic that's headed

3609
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:20,160
north.

3610
02:43:20,160 --> 02:43:23,920
I That's the You can do your traffic

3611
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:28,399
impact study, but I've already done one.

3612
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:30,720
>> I know that's not supposed to play into

3613
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:33,680
But but it really especially that close

3614
02:43:33,680 --> 02:43:35,600
to the roundabout.

3615
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,200
>> Okay, let me push back on that. I the purpose of the traffic impact study

3616
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:42,240
would be that we have backing that it's

3617
02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:44,000
got nexus and it's proportional. We

3618
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:45,600
would we would be able to then establish

3619
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:47,520
that this property is causing the

3620
02:43:47,520 --> 02:43:50,640
problem, not background traffic. And

3621
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:51,920
therefore,

3622
02:43:51,920 --> 02:43:53,760
>> I don't I it seems like it protects us,

3623
02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:55,680
>> right? if the traffic impact study was

3624
02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:57,520
done during when the buses are running

3625
02:43:57,520 --> 02:43:59,680
in the morning and when everybody's

3626
02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:02,960
coming home from work. I just I just

3627
02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:04,560
>> it takes the emotion out of it.

3628
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:06,080
>> And I guess you're I understand that,

3629
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:08,160
but I think it's kind of pointless. If

3630
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:09,920
it's one or two trucks a day, I don't

3631
02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:10,960
think it's going to make an impact

3632
02:44:10,960 --> 02:44:12,560
enough that the traffic impact stud is

3633
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:13,439
going to show anything.

3634
02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:14,880
>> Well, then why should we require them to

3635
02:44:14,880 --> 02:44:15,359
do so?

3636
02:44:15,359 --> 02:44:16,640
>> Exactly.

3637
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,200
But but then my point that if it the use

3638
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:22,880
were to change from this specific to

3639
02:44:22,880 --> 02:44:24,080
something different

3640
02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:26,240
>> and chairman I may have Daniel come up

3641
02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:28,960
and speak on the traffic effect policy.

3642
02:44:28,960 --> 02:44:31,200
>> So looking at this and the square

3643
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:34,240
footage and talking to them about the or

3644
02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:37,439
listening to their um employee counts

3645
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:40,640
and that this is not uh likely to

3646
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:47,760
trigger the need for a TIS. And so if I would say that if if you are concerned

3647
02:44:47,760 --> 02:44:52,479
about the the turning movements and that

3648
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:54,240
I would recommend that you just

3649
02:44:54,240 --> 02:44:55,760
recommend that as a condition of

3650
02:44:55,760 --> 02:45:00,240
approval um rather than trying to have

3651
02:45:00,240 --> 02:45:02,160
the expense of a traffic impact study

3652
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:05,760
that is likely not warranted.

3653
02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:08,240
Chairman, if I may, a cleaner way to if

3654
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:09,840
that's the route you want to go as a

3655
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:13,040
condition of approval. Um

3656
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:15,040
though a DA is not put here in the

3657
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:17,520
application, this is a recommendation

3658
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:19,200
that can be included here and then it

3659
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:22,160
goes up as a package to city council

3660
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:25,200
that it could be a pretty skinny DA that

3661
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:26,960
talks about this condition of a traffic

3662
02:45:26,960 --> 02:45:30,880
impact study that that's produced.

3663
02:45:30,880 --> 02:45:33,760
>> So based on the proposed use, is there

3664
02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:35,760
any way that we could limit the amount

3665
02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:37,600
of traffic coming and going from this

3666
02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:39,279
facility?

3667
02:45:39,279 --> 02:45:40,640
I mean that's I know it's

3668
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:41,520
>> How would you do that?

3669
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:44,800
>> Well, and I don't know. I mean, that's I have to ask and that's the thing,

3670
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:46,080
>> right? Because like I said, it's

3671
02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:47,920
proposed that well, it's one truck,

3672
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:50,720
maybe two a day, but

3673
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:51,520
>> that's the whole

3674
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:53,439
>> what if they outgrow and he moves and

3675
02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:54,960
now we have a different company that

3676
02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:57,279
moves in. We got I don't know. I mean,

3677
02:45:57,279 --> 02:45:59,040
I'm playing devil's advocate here, but

3678
02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:01,200
>> being a little

3679
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:02,640
>> I think we're all here for limited

3680
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:04,319
government, right? We don't want we

3681
02:46:04,319 --> 02:46:05,680
don't want city people going out there

3682
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:06,880
counting trucks and then saying

3683
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:09,279
>> Yeah, exactly.

3684
02:46:09,279 --> 02:46:11,359
You know, I just I'm I'm thinking of up

3685
02:46:11,359 --> 02:46:13,520
on Southside,

3686
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:15,439
right north or right south of

3687
02:46:15,439 --> 02:46:18,080
Greenhurst, there's a new development

3688
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,800
that went in and they put in a left turn

3689
02:46:20,800 --> 02:46:22,720
lane that's about three and a half ft

3690
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:23,120
long.

3691
02:46:23,120 --> 02:46:24,000
>> Yeah,

3692
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:26,720
>> it's four.

3693
02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:28,640
>> And when I saw that go in, I I chuckled

3694
02:46:28,640 --> 02:46:30,000
a little bit. I was like, my gosh,

3695
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:32,160
there's this is the smallest turn lane

3696
02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:34,720
I've ever seen. But the reason was is

3697
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:36,319
that there was no other there wasn't

3698
02:46:36,319 --> 02:46:38,000
enough space to put a longer one or

3699
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:39,200
something like that in. And so that

3700
02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:42,240
that's kind of what I'm looking at is is

3701
02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:44,560
did that require a traffic impact study?

3702
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:47,200
I don't know. Maybe it did.

3703
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:50,720
But I you just now you've got these big

3704
02:46:50,720 --> 02:46:53,200
a big truck. Let's just say it's one.

3705
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:55,040
Again, I know I'm beating this dead

3706
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:58,319
horse, but that

3707
02:46:58,319 --> 02:47:00,319
a truck heading south, turning right,

3708
02:47:00,319 --> 02:47:02,560
turning left, uh, turning left into that

3709
02:47:02,560 --> 02:47:05,279
property right before that roundabout at

3710
02:47:05,279 --> 02:47:07,600
particular times of the day. I mean, I

3711
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:10,080
don't I'm not 100% sold on this project

3712
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:12,720
anyways, but that would sure help me

3713
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,680
move to a

3714
02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:18,960
>> So, this would basically just be I guess

3715
02:47:18,960 --> 02:47:21,040
a DA

3716
02:47:21,040 --> 02:47:23,120
like you said in the skinny

3717
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:25,120
>> very light skinny, you know, if it was

3718
02:47:25,120 --> 02:47:27,520
an approving motion. Um, you would

3719
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:30,560
modify that to add a DA in there with

3720
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:32,640
that condition. It'd be pretty pretty

3721
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:34,800
basic addition to it. And then council

3722
02:47:34,800 --> 02:47:37,200
would you'd be that' be packaged up and

3723
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,600
given to them to review and they can

3724
02:47:39,600 --> 02:47:41,120
keep it there, strike it, whatever.

3725
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:41,760
Yeah.

3726
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:45,600
>> But it needs to be noticed because it's different than what was noticed

3727
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:46,960
coming into this meeting. It's an

3728
02:47:46,960 --> 02:47:49,680
addition and that'll keep us legally

3729
02:47:49,680 --> 02:47:51,040
compliant and keep this thing moving

3730
02:47:51,040 --> 02:48:06,790
forward.

3731
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:09,040
Mr. Cherry, any other thoughts or

3732
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:09,920
discussion before

3733
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:11,760
>> I like that idea of putting it in the

3734
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:14,640
>> I just say we throw it out there and

3735
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:17,359
let the city council

3736
02:48:17,359 --> 02:48:19,200
>> All right. Well, Mr. Chair, if there is

3737
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:21,359
no other further discussion, I will move

3738
02:48:21,359 --> 02:48:23,760
to recommend approval of the project as

3739
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:25,840
stated on the screen with the additional

3740
02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:30,160
of a simple DA development agreement

3741
02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:33,680
that would add a truck turn lane into

3742
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:36,399
the property off of Happy Valley

3743
02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:37,600
>> southbound.

3744
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:40,080
like one northbound, too. No,

3745
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:41,840
just southbound.

3746
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:44,319
>> So, does the DA also lock him into this

3747
02:48:44,319 --> 02:48:45,760
concept

3748
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:48,160
>> concept of the site plan? sightful.

3749
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:50,560
>> Yeah.

3750
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:53,120
And that would be what's already

3751
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:53,600
>> present

3752
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:57,349
>> presented. So,

3753
02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:59,920
I'll second that. [clears throat]

3754
02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:02,479
>> It's been moved by Kirkman, seconded by

3755
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:05,920
Turner to approve the item. Uh, madam

3756
02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:10,389
clerk, can we have a roll call, please?

3757
02:49:10,399 --> 02:49:16,070
» Garner absent. Miller.

3758
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:18,240
Hi.

3759
02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:20,960
Daffer absent. Turner.

3760
02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:22,560
>> Hi.

3761
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:23,520
>> Kho.

3762
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:24,960
>> No.

3763
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:25,760
>> Morgan.

3764
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:27,200
>> No.

3765
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:31,349
>> Kirkman.

3766
02:49:31,359 --> 02:49:33,279
» Yes. Even though I'm hesitating on my

3767
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:35,279
own motion.

3768
02:49:35,279 --> 02:49:36,960
>> Yes.

3769
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:47,269
>> Copeland. Absent. Fiend.

3770
02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:49,297
No

3771
02:49:49,297 --> 02:49:52,000
[clears throat] fails.

3772
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:56,790
>> Thank you. Motion fails.

3773
02:49:56,800 --> 02:50:01,670
» Thank you.

3774
02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:02,479
» We're not done yet.

3775
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:04,160
>> No, I know. We got to

3776
02:50:04,160 --> 02:50:06,720
>> We got to either figure out how to

3777
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:09,200
approve this or deny it, but one of the

3778
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:14,950
>> or recommend. Yeah.

3779
02:50:14,960 --> 02:50:16,880
is I'm not opposed to the annexation and

3780
02:50:16,880 --> 02:50:19,840
zoning to IIL. I'd like them to

3781
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:21,439
reconfigure the site plan, but I don't

3782
02:50:21,439 --> 02:50:22,479
know how to

3783
02:50:22,479 --> 02:50:23,920
>> I don't think they can with what they're

3784
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:25,760
trying to do. I don't think they

3785
02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:27,600
>> Well, I think I think it would be

3786
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:30,560
removal of the existing resident goal. I

3787
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:32,240
think I they have to get a lot of work

3788
02:50:32,240 --> 02:50:40,870
done.

3789
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:44,240
So, Mr. Chair, for Commissioner Morgan

3790
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:46,880
and others, is it is it the is it a

3791
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:48,640
compatibility?

3792
02:50:48,640 --> 02:50:50,080
>> Yes,

3793
02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:52,960
>> that's what I struggled with also. So,

3794
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:55,453
it's not the truck turning.

3795
02:50:55,453 --> 02:50:56,560
[laughter]

3796
02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:57,279
>> I don't feel like

3797
02:50:57,279 --> 02:50:59,600
>> a good attempt, but no,

3798
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:02,319
>> I feel like if we if we were asked being

3799
02:51:02,319 --> 02:51:04,800
asked to change the zoning,

3800
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:08,240
then it should hit overwhelmingly or

3801
02:51:08,240 --> 02:51:11,279
pretty strong. And there seems to be a

3802
02:51:11,279 --> 02:51:14,960
lot that's kind of in the middle here.

3803
02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:16,720
>> There seems to be more industrial land

3804
02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:19,439
nearby.

3805
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:21,520
Pick up your pants and move down the

3806
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:22,960
street.

3807
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:25,520
>> Well, well, I guess too I I look at it

3808
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:28,880
this way that you know has been stated

3809
02:51:28,880 --> 02:51:30,720
if this was a residential project, the

3810
02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:35,190
airport would probably be against it

3811
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:37,200
depending on the size of the residential

3812
02:51:37,200 --> 02:51:37,920
development

3813
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:41,600
>> and the discussion, you know, the airport,

3814
02:51:41,600 --> 02:51:43,279
we want it to be viable. We want it to

3815
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:45,359
stay there. It It's great for the city

3816
02:51:45,359 --> 02:51:49,439
of Napa. And if they prefer to have

3817
02:51:49,439 --> 02:51:51,600
industrial around it, so it does protect

3818
02:51:51,600 --> 02:51:54,640
it from the residentials, that's going

3819
02:51:54,640 --> 02:51:58,800
to cause problems, then

3820
02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:00,080
I don't want to see that airport go

3821
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:01,279
away. I don't want to see the air shows

3822
02:52:01,279 --> 02:52:04,399
go away. And and yeah, if you were to

3823
02:52:04,399 --> 02:52:08,160
turn this into even four houses back

3824
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:09,600
there, they're only going to be 10 feet

3825
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:11,040
apart and you're going to have roofs

3826
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:13,200
like you say that are

3827
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:15,359
>> they're not going to be 45 ft.

3828
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:17,359
>> If you're 30 foot to the top sill plate

3829
02:52:17,359 --> 02:52:18,960
and then you put raptors above it.

3830
02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:21,040
>> Nobody that's a threetory building.

3831
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:22,479
>> Yeah. Nobody

3832
02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:24,399
>> they could but

3833
02:52:24,399 --> 02:52:26,319
>> but even even if you go 20 foot and put

3834
02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:28,240
a a

3835
02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:30,240
>> 12 15 foot raptors, you're going to be

3836
02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:30,720
taller.

3837
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:32,640
>> 35 ft. You're going to be taller than 13

3838
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:33,680
and you're only going to have 10 foot

3839
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:36,720
windows between between structures.

3840
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:37,920
>> Granted, it's not going to be a big

3841
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:38,240
wall.

3842
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:39,680
>> I think it feels different than a big

3843
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:40,319
two.

3844
02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:42,399
>> It would definitely, but it's you still

3845
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:44,880
are going to pretty much lose all your

3846
02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:48,319
sight to that direction.

3847
02:52:48,319 --> 02:52:49,840
>> That's why I'm saying I' I'd like to

3848
02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:54,630
zone it to I

3849
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:57,359
» and there is a lot of coming down Happy

3850
02:52:57,359 --> 02:52:59,760
Valley. So, Happy Valley has definitely

3851
02:52:59,760 --> 02:53:02,950
changed.

3852
02:53:02,960 --> 02:53:04,399
I'm not opposed to that. I I think

3853
02:53:04,399 --> 02:53:06,479
that's the correct

3854
02:53:06,479 --> 02:53:09,439
method for it or the correct

3855
02:53:09,439 --> 02:53:12,720
recommendation for it, but not that lot.

3856
02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:14,080
I think it needs to be moved down the

3857
02:53:14,080 --> 02:53:15,680
road.

3858
02:53:15,680 --> 02:53:17,040
>> Yeah, but this is the property they

3859
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:17,439
have.

3860
02:53:17,439 --> 02:53:20,319
>> I know.

3861
02:53:20,319 --> 02:53:22,240
>> We've heard that it's going to be that

3862
02:53:22,240 --> 02:53:24,560
the proposed

3863
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:27,840
five lane for that. We don't know when

3864
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:31,040
that's going to be.

3865
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:33,600
So,

3866
02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:35,920
in choosing to pro in choosing to change

3867
02:53:35,920 --> 02:53:38,080
zoning

3868
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:39,680
with

3869
02:53:39,680 --> 02:53:41,920
if if we had more of a okay, that's a

3870
02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:46,230
five-year plan,

3871
02:53:46,240 --> 02:53:50,160
maybe it makes sense, but with it being

3872
02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:58,070
unknown in the future as of right now,

3873
02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:00,880
is it prudent to chain zoning at this

3874
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:03,439
time. That that's one thing that we're

3875
02:54:03,439 --> 02:54:07,120
all we're we can always look at when we

3876
02:54:07,120 --> 02:54:09,040
look at annexation.

3877
02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:13,680
Is it appropriate at this time?

3878
02:54:13,680 --> 02:54:15,359
That's part of the latitude as I

3879
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:17,120
understand that we have. Am I correct

3880
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:19,760
with that?

3881
02:54:19,760 --> 02:54:21,359
>> Okay.

3882
02:54:21,359 --> 02:54:25,520
>> Yeah. Timing is one of the big things.

3883
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:27,120
>> Yeah. This is a what you call a

3884
02:54:27,120 --> 02:54:29,600
legislative decision. Uh what that means

3885
02:54:29,600 --> 02:54:32,160
is it's uh pretty wide open on the

3886
02:54:32,160 --> 02:54:34,560
playbook for reasonings for an

3887
02:54:34,560 --> 02:54:36,240
annexation. Uh it's not like a

3888
02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:38,000
conditional use permit where there's

3889
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:40,080
certain criteria that they meet it or

3890
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:42,000
they don't. It's and it's looked at more

3891
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:45,600
scrutin scrutinized. This is timing is

3892
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:49,120
often an element compatibility. Again,

3893
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:50,880
you can't go into this abuse of

3894
02:54:50,880 --> 02:54:52,960
discretion arbitrary world. That's not

3895
02:54:52,960 --> 02:54:56,080
allowed. But short of that, um the law

3896
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:58,800
does give commissions and city councils

3897
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:00,880
a lot of latitude.

3898
02:55:00,880 --> 02:55:02,880
I mean being often cited among other

3899
02:55:02,880 --> 02:55:19,990
things.

3900
02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:32,950
» I don't think my motion would pass. So

3901
02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:36,319
Um, I move that we approve recommend

3902
02:55:36,319 --> 02:55:38,640
approval of the annexation and zoning to

3903
02:55:38,640 --> 02:55:42,640
an IL zoning district as stated on the

3904
02:55:42,640 --> 02:55:45,680
screen with the condition that the

3905
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:48,000
um

3906
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:52,000
that the lot be reconfigured so that the impact to the neighbors is

3907
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:53,040
minimized.

3908
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:55,439
the city council can

3909
02:55:55,439 --> 02:55:59,670
interpret that how they will.

3910
02:55:59,680 --> 02:56:03,840
» I like that, but I don't know that ever

3911
02:56:03,840 --> 02:56:05,520
happened that way.

3912
02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:09,200
>> We can do that though.

3913
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:11,359
>> And if that's the motion again, you'll

3914
02:56:11,359 --> 02:56:14,000
want to package that up in that DA

3915
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:14,640
version.

3916
02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:16,399
>> Okay. I'll bend my motion to say

3917
02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:17,840
>> Yeah. Amend that.

3918
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:20,880
>> That would be done through a DA.

3919
02:56:20,880 --> 02:56:26,630
>> That'll be good enough. Yeah.

3920
02:56:26,640 --> 02:56:31,429
With that.

3921
02:56:31,439 --> 02:56:33,760
» Yeah. I got a second.

3922
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:35,439
>> Okay. It's been moved by Morgan,

3923
02:56:35,439 --> 02:56:38,319
seconded by Kho to approve the item with

3924
02:56:38,319 --> 02:56:41,359
the added DA. We need any clarification.

3925
02:56:41,359 --> 02:56:42,160
Rodney,

3926
02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:46,000
>> can can we just make repeat that motion

3927
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:46,479
again?

3928
02:56:46,479 --> 02:56:47,040
>> Yeah.

3929
02:56:47,040 --> 02:56:50,000
>> With Okay. move that we um recommend

3930
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,640
approval of annexation and zoning to a

3931
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:55,680
light industrial zoning district

3932
02:56:55,680 --> 02:56:57,200
with the condition that we add a

3933
02:56:57,200 --> 02:57:00,000
development agreement to

3934
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:02,000
um

3935
02:57:02,000 --> 02:57:05,200
establish the site plan and a

3936
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:12,389
recommendation to city council that they

3937
02:57:12,399 --> 02:57:14,560
» consider the impact that consider

3938
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:17,200
rearranging the site plan to lessen the

3939
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:21,600
impact on the residential

3940
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:23,600
>> due to the height of the building.

3941
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:25,040
>> Due to the due to the bulk of the

3942
02:57:25,040 --> 02:57:25,439
building.

3943
02:57:25,439 --> 02:57:29,510
>> Yeah.

3944
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:31,040
» Does that work? Right.

3945
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:34,399
>> That legal that a legal motion.

3946
02:57:34,399 --> 02:57:36,880
>> Yeah. And it may may help to say what

3947
02:57:36,880 --> 02:57:39,040
kind of impact type of visual type of

3948
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:40,640
traffic noise.

3949
02:57:40,640 --> 02:57:42,960
>> I that my big like the noise I think he

3950
02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:46,560
addressed well. I think it's the bulk of

3951
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:48,160
the building being at the back of the

3952
02:57:48,160 --> 02:57:50,560
lot and the trucks being between the

3953
02:57:50,560 --> 02:57:53,120
bulk of the building and the residential

3954
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:57,590
which yeah [snorts]

3955
02:57:57,600 --> 02:58:00,000
I think if those concerns accompany the

3956
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:02,319
recommendation then

3957
02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:05,120
and I would second it.

3958
02:58:05,120 --> 02:58:07,120
>> Okay. So it's been moved by Commissioner

3959
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:09,840
Morgan, seconded by Commissioner Kho to

3960
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:11,520
approve the item, recommend approval for

3961
02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:15,120
the item with the added development

3962
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:17,439
agreement. Madam clerk, can we have a

3963
02:58:17,439 --> 02:58:20,240
roll call?

3964
02:58:20,240 --> 02:58:23,200
>> Garner absent. Miller

3965
02:58:23,200 --> 02:58:26,160
>> I.

3966
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:28,800
>> Daffer absent. Turner.

3967
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:30,800
>> No.

3968
02:58:30,800 --> 02:58:31,760
>> Kho.

3969
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:33,840
>> Hi.

3970
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:34,560
>> Morgan.

3971
02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:36,240
>> Yes.

3972
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:37,120
>> Kirkman.

3973
02:58:37,120 --> 02:58:40,000
>> No.

3974
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:45,910
>> Copeland. Absent. Fine.

3975
02:58:45,920 --> 02:58:50,150
Yes,

3976
02:58:50,160 --> 02:58:54,000
» thank you. The eyes have it.

3977
02:58:54,000 --> 02:59:00,469
>> Thank you.

3978
02:59:00,479 --> 02:59:03,840
» Okay, we will move into item 3-3,

3979
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:06,560
conditional use permit for a non.

3980
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:09,760
>> Mr. Chair, can I make a motion to take a

3981
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:10,399
fiveminute recess?

3982
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:12,240
>> Take a fiveminute recess. Yes.

3983
02:59:12,240 --> 02:59:17,269
Absolutely. Please.

3984
02:59:17,279 --> 03:08:01,750
» Yeah, I know. Go ahead.

3985
03:08:01,760 --> 03:08:05,520
Okay, we're going to come back to order,

3986
03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:07,760
get started again.

3987
03:08:07,760 --> 03:08:10,365
So we are looking at uh item 3-3

3988
03:08:10,365 --> 03:08:10,960
[clears throat]

3989
03:08:10,960 --> 03:08:13,120
conditional use permit for a non-kennel

3990
03:08:13,120 --> 03:08:15,600
non-commercial kennel license in an RS

3991
03:08:15,600 --> 03:08:19,040
zoning district addressed as 816 7th

3992
03:08:19,040 --> 03:08:21,200
Avenue South

3993
03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:23,520
for Savannah Sloan is the applicant

3994
03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:38,870
here.

3995
03:08:38,880 --> 03:08:41,840
all of any roofing. So,

3996
03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:44,479
um, my name is Savannah. I live at 816

3997
03:08:44,479 --> 03:08:48,479
7th Avenue South Nampa.

3998
03:08:48,479 --> 03:08:50,640
Yes. Sorry.

3999
03:08:50,640 --> 03:08:55,750
Okay, there we go.

4000
03:08:55,760 --> 03:08:59,840
Okay. Um, I made a PowerPoint. Um, I'm

4001
03:08:59,840 --> 03:09:01,760
here because I'm trying to keep my seven

4002
03:09:01,760 --> 03:09:04,479
dogs. Um, three of which are little

4003
03:09:04,479 --> 03:09:06,319
chihuahua. They're smaller than cats.

4004
03:09:06,319 --> 03:09:09,279
One is a labradooki. One is a husky mix

4005
03:09:09,279 --> 03:09:11,840
and a pitbull. And then I have a lab

4006
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:14,000
pointer mix that I've had for several

4007
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:20,070
years and I love them very much.

4008
03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:23,600
Um, so this just kind of shows um what

4009
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:25,920
I'm trying to do here. Um, everybody

4010
03:09:25,920 --> 03:09:28,399
spayed and knitted. I don't breed. I

4011
03:09:28,399 --> 03:09:31,439
don't house it for people in my home.

4012
03:09:31,439 --> 03:09:34,720
Um, I'm just trying to keep my own dogs.

4013
03:09:34,720 --> 03:09:37,120
Um, I work really hard to take care of

4014
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:40,479
them. I keep them as safe as I can. Um,

4015
03:09:40,479 --> 03:09:42,240
and I try to keep them from being in

4016
03:09:42,240 --> 03:09:46,720
anybody's way as much as I can as well.

4017
03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:49,840
Um, so I'm a veterinary technician. Um,

4018
03:09:49,840 --> 03:09:52,720
I have been for over 10 years now. Um,

4019
03:09:52,720 --> 03:09:54,160
part of that is how I've ended up with

4020
03:09:54,160 --> 03:09:56,560
all these babies. Um, most of them are

4021
03:09:56,560 --> 03:09:59,760
rescues. Um, they get advanced medical

4022
03:09:59,760 --> 03:10:01,600
care. They get everything that they

4023
03:10:01,600 --> 03:10:03,760
need. They get regular routine care.

4024
03:10:03,760 --> 03:10:05,680
They're already fully licensed with the

4025
03:10:05,680 --> 03:10:07,920
city. They're up to date on vaccines as

4026
03:10:07,920 --> 03:10:11,520
well. They get um laboratory care. Um

4027
03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:14,240
they're also really good citizens where

4028
03:10:14,240 --> 03:10:16,160
we use them for practice when we're

4029
03:10:16,160 --> 03:10:18,080
needing to practice blood draws or teach

4030
03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:20,080
people. When we were shopping for a new

4031
03:10:20,080 --> 03:10:21,920
ultrasound machine, it was my dogs that

4032
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:23,520
I would bring in that we could practice

4033
03:10:23,520 --> 03:10:26,960
on. Same with my cats. Um, and then, uh,

4034
03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:28,960
Jimothy is actually large enough to be a

4035
03:10:28,960 --> 03:10:30,960
blood donor dog if that's ever needed as

4036
03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:33,840
well.

4037
03:10:33,840 --> 03:10:37,359
Um, so they have mostly been rescued.

4038
03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:39,279
Um, that's little baby Almost and

4039
03:10:39,279 --> 03:10:41,359
Jimothy next to her. Those were the

4040
03:10:41,359 --> 03:10:44,319
first photos that I saw of them. And,

4041
03:10:44,319 --> 03:10:46,560
um, that's kind of what pushed me to

4042
03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:48,319
save them. They are both off euthanasia

4043
03:10:48,319 --> 03:10:51,120
lists. um almost was never going to make

4044
03:10:51,120 --> 03:10:54,000
it to the adoption floor because she was

4045
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:57,600
just so ill. Um they just they just

4046
03:10:57,600 --> 03:10:58,880
weren't going to be able there's so many

4047
03:10:58,880 --> 03:11:00,640
healthy dogs. They were both pulled out

4048
03:11:00,640 --> 03:11:03,279
of Texas and then Jimmy was actually in

4049
03:11:03,279 --> 03:11:05,439
a kennel and at the shelter for 6

4050
03:11:05,439 --> 03:11:08,080
months. I pulled him um from being

4051
03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:10,319
euthanized about two hours prior to the

4052
03:11:10,319 --> 03:11:13,840
procedure. Um and then uh Pink, you

4053
03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:15,600
can't see her in this photo, but she's

4054
03:11:15,600 --> 03:11:18,160
my Labradooki. Um, she was going to be

4055
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:20,880
shot by a farmer down in EMTT who didn't

4056
03:11:20,880 --> 03:11:22,399
believe in taking dogs to shelters

4057
03:11:22,399 --> 03:11:24,240
because he didn't want to pay the uh,

4058
03:11:24,240 --> 03:11:26,479
relinquish fee, but he had too many dogs

4059
03:11:26,479 --> 03:11:28,160
due to accidental litters. And so, he

4060
03:11:28,160 --> 03:11:29,439
was just going to shoot her and put him

4061
03:11:29,439 --> 03:11:32,319
down himself. Um, and then the little

4062
03:11:32,319 --> 03:11:34,720
Chihuahua, those are the only ones that

4063
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:37,680
didn't come to me as direct rescues. Um,

4064
03:11:37,680 --> 03:11:40,399
except one of them. Um, I had the there

4065
03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:42,399
was an accidental litter and I had that

4066
03:11:42,399 --> 03:11:44,000
person reach out to me directly asking

4067
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:45,920
if I would take her so that she wouldn't

4068
03:11:45,920 --> 03:11:49,040
end up in a bad situation. So, I did.

4069
03:11:49,040 --> 03:11:52,399
Um, and I take them everywhere with me.

4070
03:11:52,399 --> 03:11:55,040
Um, so I work really hard to keep them

4071
03:11:55,040 --> 03:11:58,000
clean. Um, unfortunately my yard is all

4072
03:11:58,000 --> 03:11:59,920
dirt. Um, it turns out it's actually

4073
03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:02,800
really expensive to put in a lawn. Um,

4074
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:04,479
and also kind of hard when you have the

4075
03:12:04,479 --> 03:12:06,800
dogs. Um, but they get baths. I'm

4076
03:12:06,800 --> 03:12:09,760
constantly cleaning up after them. Um,

4077
03:12:09,760 --> 03:12:11,120
they're a little naughty and they like

4078
03:12:11,120 --> 03:12:13,120
to counter surf and, you know, tear

4079
03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:14,640
things up, but they're living their best

4080
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:17,359
lives and, you know, mind over matters.

4081
03:12:17,359 --> 03:12:20,080
So, I love them more than I love things.

4082
03:12:20,080 --> 03:12:23,120
Um, I have a 6ft fence all around my

4083
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:26,560
yard. Um, so they can't escape. Um, they

4084
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:29,040
still try and they have, but I stand

4085
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:30,800
outside with them anytime they're

4086
03:12:30,800 --> 03:12:33,120
outside now. Um, to prevent that from

4087
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:36,230
happening.

4088
03:12:36,240 --> 03:12:38,000
Um, and then this is a little bit of a

4089
03:12:38,000 --> 03:12:39,920
look into our lives. Um, I'm really

4090
03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:42,000
outdoorsy. I'm constantly hiking,

4091
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:44,560
camping. I do back country, so even

4092
03:12:44,560 --> 03:12:45,760
though we're on trails, they're not

4093
03:12:45,760 --> 03:12:47,840
running up and harassing other people.

4094
03:12:47,840 --> 03:12:50,319
Where I go is way out in the boondocks.

4095
03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:52,479
Um, so that they can kind of run around,

4096
03:12:52,479 --> 03:12:55,200
play wolf. Um, but they're really

4097
03:12:55,200 --> 03:12:56,720
obviously really well behaved and they

4098
03:12:56,720 --> 03:12:58,000
stay with me. And when we're not out

4099
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,399
hiking, we're I call it the pile and

4100
03:13:00,399 --> 03:13:02,640
we're all cuddled in the pile in bed.

4101
03:13:02,640 --> 03:13:04,960
Um, and that's my very favorite place to

4102
03:13:04,960 --> 03:13:07,760
be.

4103
03:13:07,760 --> 03:13:09,520
Um, this was a link to a video. I don't

4104
03:13:09,520 --> 03:13:11,359
know if it'll actually work. Um, but

4105
03:13:11,359 --> 03:13:13,040
it's just a little video of kind of what

4106
03:13:13,040 --> 03:13:14,720
it looks like into our life. For time's

4107
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:17,120
sake, I'll just skip it. Um, but there's

4108
03:13:17,120 --> 03:13:18,880
just another photo of us kind of out in

4109
03:13:18,880 --> 03:13:21,200
the snow. We do stuff all year round.

4110
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:23,359
Um, the Wawaas typically stay home when

4111
03:13:23,359 --> 03:13:25,040
the snow is really deep or really cold,

4112
03:13:25,040 --> 03:13:26,640
but they all have jackets and they all

4113
03:13:26,640 --> 03:13:28,560
have sweaters, including the big dogs,

4114
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:30,080
so that they're taken care of and warm

4115
03:13:30,080 --> 03:13:33,120
and happy. Um, I actually am high

4116
03:13:33,120 --> 03:13:36,239
functioning autism and ADHD. I routinely

4117
03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:38,960
take medication every single day to make

4118
03:13:38,960 --> 03:13:42,479
life easier for me. Um, I don't need to

4119
03:13:42,479 --> 03:13:44,399
take as much medication when I'm with my

4120
03:13:44,399 --> 03:13:46,479
animals. They help regulate me the way

4121
03:13:46,479 --> 03:13:48,479
that the medication was when I'm does

4122
03:13:48,479 --> 03:13:51,439
when I'm not around them. Um, I also

4123
03:13:51,439 --> 03:13:54,479
have really bad PTSD. Um, I've had a lot

4124
03:13:54,479 --> 03:13:56,560
of struggles in my life. I'm a rape

4125
03:13:56,560 --> 03:13:59,520
survivor. I'm a domestic abuse survivor.

4126
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:03,279
I am a child abuse survivor and um these

4127
03:14:03,279 --> 03:14:05,200
dogs really helped me to get through it.

4128
03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:07,840
Um I also grew up military and when you

4129
03:14:07,840 --> 03:14:10,239
grow up in that kind of environment, you

4130
03:14:10,239 --> 03:14:12,399
aren't living somewhere long enough to

4131
03:14:12,399 --> 03:14:15,359
build super lasting relationships. And

4132
03:14:15,359 --> 03:14:19,040
so as a child, my lasting relationships

4133
03:14:19,040 --> 03:14:20,720
that I could always count on were worth

4134
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:22,239
my animals. And that's what part of the

4135
03:14:22,239 --> 03:14:26,560
reason I place so much value in them.

4136
03:14:26,560 --> 03:14:28,479
Um, this just goes on a little bit more

4137
03:14:28,479 --> 03:14:30,160
about what they give me, the dopamine

4138
03:14:30,160 --> 03:14:32,960
regulation. Um, and then they help me so

4139
03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:34,960
I don't have to take every medication

4140
03:14:34,960 --> 03:14:37,680
every day or as much medication every

4141
03:14:37,680 --> 03:14:40,479
day.

4142
03:14:40,479 --> 03:14:42,239
Um, and then this is just a comparison

4143
03:14:42,239 --> 03:14:44,160
of care standards of kind of what they

4144
03:14:44,160 --> 03:14:45,439
get in the shelter and what they get in

4145
03:14:45,439 --> 03:14:47,040
typical households versus what they can

4146
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:49,265
get with me.

4147
03:14:49,265 --> 03:14:51,200
[snorts]

4148
03:14:51,200 --> 03:14:53,040
Um, and then this just goes over the

4149
03:14:53,040 --> 03:14:56,800
youth in Asia statistics. Um, 5.8

4150
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:59,920
million animal shelter intakes um,

4151
03:14:59,920 --> 03:15:01,520
happen and that's and I don't want to

4152
03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:03,200
contribute to the homeless animal

4153
03:15:03,200 --> 03:15:06,560
situation. Um, I can't save all of them,

4154
03:15:06,560 --> 03:15:08,720
but I can keep these seven safe and

4155
03:15:08,720 --> 03:15:11,680
loved for the rest of their life. Um,

4156
03:15:11,680 --> 03:15:15,520
out of those 5.8 million, 600,000 are

4157
03:15:15,520 --> 03:15:18,720
euthanized. Um, and that's typically

4158
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:24,479
younger dogs, there's puppies, there's dogs that are perfectly fine um

4159
03:15:24,479 --> 03:15:26,960
to be adopted that don't get to find

4160
03:15:26,960 --> 03:15:28,880
homes.

4161
03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:31,920
And then this just goes over um if you

4162
03:15:31,920 --> 03:15:34,080
can take some of that and you can say

4163
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:35,680
some of it's for euthanasia or

4164
03:15:35,680 --> 03:15:38,160
behavioral problems. But as you can see

4165
03:15:38,160 --> 03:15:41,040
the euthanasia rate is still it's only

4166
03:15:41,040 --> 03:15:43,840
390k to 210k

4167
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:46,399
um that are euthanized due to behavior

4168
03:15:46,399 --> 03:15:50,630
and medical problems.

4169
03:15:50,640 --> 03:15:51,840
And then there's just extra

4170
03:15:51,840 --> 03:15:53,520
vulnerability for certain breeds like

4171
03:15:53,520 --> 03:15:55,520
pit bulls and huskys. I actually think

4172
03:15:55,520 --> 03:15:59,439
almost is mixed with a pitbull as well.

4173
03:15:59,439 --> 03:16:01,200
And then there's part of a look into the

4174
03:16:01,200 --> 03:16:03,840
pile that just goes over cats a little

4175
03:16:03,840 --> 03:16:08,640
bit. Um my my long-term um goal is to

4176
03:16:08,640 --> 03:16:10,160
move. I'm actually in the process of

4177
03:16:10,160 --> 03:16:12,479
doing that now. I've already spoken to

4178
03:16:12,479 --> 03:16:14,960
my boss for the company that I work for.

4179
03:16:14,960 --> 03:16:17,920
We have locations in Kentucky, um which

4180
03:16:17,920 --> 03:16:19,600
is actually pretty far, but I can't

4181
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:22,160
afford to move out of city here. I can't

4182
03:16:22,160 --> 03:16:25,120
afford to move to Kentucky and be able

4183
03:16:25,120 --> 03:16:27,520
to afford a property that we can all

4184
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:30,640
exist happily and peacefully on. Um, I'm

4185
03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:32,720
not just asking for permission from you

4186
03:16:32,720 --> 03:16:35,120
guys to keep my dogs. I'm asking for

4187
03:16:35,120 --> 03:16:37,680
your help to help me keep them so that I

4188
03:16:37,680 --> 03:16:41,359
can move to a better place for us. Thank

4189
03:16:41,359 --> 03:16:42,479
you.

4190
03:16:42,479 --> 03:16:43,920
>> Thank you,

4191
03:16:43,920 --> 03:16:45,120
>> Mr. Chair. Quick question.

4192
03:16:45,120 --> 03:16:46,160
>> Yep.

4193
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:48,479
>> Uh, how you have seven dogs?

4194
03:16:48,479 --> 03:16:49,359
>> I have seven.

4195
03:16:49,359 --> 03:16:51,840
>> How many cats? There's no regulation on

4196
03:16:51,840 --> 03:16:53,600
how many cats, so I'd rather not discuss

4197
03:16:53,600 --> 03:16:59,429
that.

4198
03:16:59,439 --> 03:17:02,000
» Okay. Yep. Thank you.

4199
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:04,160
>> Thank you.

4200
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:06,960
>> Okay. Christie.

4201
03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:08,160
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman and

4202
03:17:08,160 --> 03:17:09,600
commissioners. Christy Watkins,

4203
03:17:09,600 --> 03:17:12,080
principal planner for the city of Nampa.

4204
03:17:12,080 --> 03:17:13,760
The request before you tonight is for

4205
03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:15,040
conditional use permit for a

4206
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:17,359
non-commercial kennel in an RS6 zoning

4207
03:17:17,359 --> 03:17:21,200
district to keep seven dogs.

4208
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:23,600
The property is located in the RS6 zone

4209
03:17:23,600 --> 03:17:25,840
and it is completely surrounded by RS6

4210
03:17:25,840 --> 03:17:29,200
zoned properties.

4211
03:17:29,200 --> 03:17:32,640
So according to our animal code um

4212
03:17:32,640 --> 03:17:35,600
potbelly pigs and dogs equate to each

4213
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:37,680
other. So you are allowed to have two

4214
03:17:37,680 --> 03:17:41,600
dogs or two pigs or one dog and one pig

4215
03:17:41,600 --> 03:17:45,040
um in combination. Anything over that

4216
03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:47,040
requires a conditional use permit for a

4217
03:17:47,040 --> 03:17:49,840
non-commercial kennel. I'm I'm sorry.

4218
03:17:49,840 --> 03:17:53,040
Can you go back to that, Mr. Chair? Just

4219
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:54,800
uh clarification because right there in

4220
03:17:54,800 --> 03:17:57,120
that first sentence it says in which

4221
03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:59,920
more than two dogs and or cats of at

4222
03:17:59,920 --> 03:18:01,760
least six months. That's why I asked the

4223
03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:05,040
question how many cats she's got seven

4224
03:18:05,040 --> 03:18:08,000
dogs. Wouldn't however many cats come

4225
03:18:08,000 --> 03:18:10,399
into play also because there could be

4226
03:18:10,399 --> 03:18:14,389
more than seven.

4227
03:18:14,399 --> 03:18:15,920
» So that's the definition for a

4228
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:18,080
non-commercial kennel.

4229
03:18:18,080 --> 03:18:20,080
Um,

4230
03:18:20,080 --> 03:18:23,439
we don't regulate the maximum number in

4231
03:18:23,439 --> 03:18:28,000
chapter 21 for cats.

4232
03:18:28,000 --> 03:18:30,319
And in chapter,

4233
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:32,000
I guess chapter 3, where it says you

4234
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:33,200
need a conditional use permit for

4235
03:18:33,200 --> 03:18:34,800
anything over that amount, that's what

4236
03:18:34,800 --> 03:18:37,760
they would be asking for. Um, there's a

4237
03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:39,520
number of other animals that are on the

4238
03:18:39,520 --> 03:18:41,279
property as well that don't fall into

4239
03:18:41,279 --> 03:18:43,359
the need for a conditional use permit

4240
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:46,960
either. It's either allowed or it isn't.

4241
03:18:46,960 --> 03:18:50,720
So I I'm not quite sure how to defend

4242
03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:53,680
that definition with a cat because cats

4243
03:18:53,680 --> 03:18:55,359
are cats are cats

4244
03:18:55,359 --> 03:18:57,680
>> and it's a but and it's very specific

4245
03:18:57,680 --> 03:19:00,560
and or cats or but anyways that that's

4246
03:19:00,560 --> 03:19:02,000
the reason I asked the question because

4247
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:03,439
>> that is very specific

4248
03:19:03,439 --> 03:19:07,840
>> includes dogs and cats or cats.

4249
03:19:07,840 --> 03:19:09,279
So [clears throat] if she's if if the

4250
03:19:09,279 --> 03:19:12,560
applicant says seven dogs, I mean,

4251
03:19:12,560 --> 03:19:14,239
however many cats, does it bump it up

4252
03:19:14,239 --> 03:19:15,920
even more beyond that?

4253
03:19:15,920 --> 03:19:21,269
>> Not according to the definition in 1021.

4254
03:19:21,279 --> 03:19:25,670
» X 1021 says,

4255
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:29,840
» it would certainly be more than two.

4256
03:19:29,840 --> 03:19:32,239
>> Okay, thank you.

4257
03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:34,560
>> Um, as you know, there are four criteria

4258
03:19:34,560 --> 03:19:36,399
for conditional use permit that need to

4259
03:19:36,399 --> 03:19:38,560
be met. However, in this case, two of

4260
03:19:38,560 --> 03:19:40,960
those criteria don't really apply to

4261
03:19:40,960 --> 03:19:42,560
this application. So, we're going to be

4262
03:19:42,560 --> 03:19:46,319
focusing on just two of them.

4263
03:19:46,319 --> 03:19:48,080
Um, the only correspondence that we

4264
03:19:48,080 --> 03:19:50,239
received was from the police department.

4265
03:19:50,239 --> 03:19:51,920
Uh, they opposed the issuance of the

4266
03:19:51,920 --> 03:19:53,920
conditional use permit. They have

4267
03:19:53,920 --> 03:19:55,920
responded to her residence in several

4268
03:19:55,920 --> 03:19:58,319
occasions. Most recent was June of this

4269
03:19:58,319 --> 03:20:00,800
year. On this occasion, she was found to

4270
03:20:00,800 --> 03:20:02,479
be in possession of the following list

4271
03:20:02,479 --> 03:20:05,120
of animals. 12 plus cats is what they

4272
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:06,960
listed in their letter.

4273
03:20:06,960 --> 03:20:08,960
While at the residence, officers found

4274
03:20:08,960 --> 03:20:10,800
the condition of the home and yard to be

4275
03:20:10,800 --> 03:20:12,399
unsatisfactory for the keeping and

4276
03:20:12,399 --> 03:20:14,160
maintenance of animals. Miss Sloan was

4277
03:20:14,160 --> 03:20:15,840
charged with animal cruelty, and this

4278
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:17,200
case is currently working its way

4279
03:20:17,200 --> 03:20:19,279
through the court process. Over the last

4280
03:20:19,279 --> 03:20:20,880
couple of years, NPA animal control

4281
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:22,640
officers have had several concert

4282
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:24,880
conversations with her regarding the

4283
03:20:24,880 --> 03:20:26,560
number of animals that she keeps and the

4284
03:20:26,560 --> 03:20:30,560
various conditions of her property.

4285
03:20:30,560 --> 03:20:32,239
So, the surrounding land uses are

4286
03:20:32,239 --> 03:20:34,160
primary single family residential. The

4287
03:20:34,160 --> 03:20:36,880
lot is an averagesized lot in the RS6

4288
03:20:36,880 --> 03:20:39,680
district. Um they are kept in the

4289
03:20:39,680 --> 03:20:42,239
backyard in a fenced backyard. That is a

4290
03:20:42,239 --> 03:20:46,880
fact. Um according to chapter 21, the

4291
03:20:46,880 --> 03:20:49,680
left chapter or the left column is what

4292
03:20:49,680 --> 03:20:52,160
is allowed by code to be kept. That can

4293
03:20:52,160 --> 03:20:55,680
all be kept together at in one place. Um

4294
03:20:55,680 --> 03:20:58,000
you can see where in some cases those

4295
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:02,229
numbers are exceeded.

4296
03:21:02,239 --> 03:21:04,800
This is just a snippet of um the

4297
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:06,239
information that came from animal

4298
03:21:06,239 --> 03:21:08,239
control um with the number of visits

4299
03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:13,590
that they made to the property.

4300
03:21:13,600 --> 03:21:15,760
These are the names of the seven dogs

4301
03:21:15,760 --> 03:21:18,319
that she's asking for today. In July of

4302
03:21:18,319 --> 03:21:21,040
2022, she was approved for two dogs and

4303
03:21:21,040 --> 03:21:24,720
two pot belly pigs. in April of 2024,

4304
03:21:24,720 --> 03:21:26,640
that conditional use permit was revoked

4305
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:29,200
due to the numerous calls by uh law law

4306
03:21:29,200 --> 03:21:32,239
enforcement to that property.

4307
03:21:32,239 --> 03:21:34,000
So, while that conditional use permit

4308
03:21:34,000 --> 03:21:36,000
was revoked due to multiple citations,

4309
03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:39,279
this is a new request for seven dogs and

4310
03:21:39,279 --> 03:21:42,319
no pigs.

4311
03:21:42,319 --> 03:21:45,200
The conditional use permit criteria that

4312
03:21:45,200 --> 03:21:47,279
applies is the design, construction,

4313
03:21:47,279 --> 03:21:48,399
operation, and maintenance of the

4314
03:21:48,399 --> 03:21:50,000
property and project will not adversely

4315
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:51,680
impact the intended character and

4316
03:21:51,680 --> 03:21:54,239
appearance of the general vicinity. It's

4317
03:21:54,239 --> 03:21:56,640
a residential neighborhood. Um she

4318
03:21:56,640 --> 03:21:59,279
stated that she keeps everything clean.

4319
03:21:59,279 --> 03:22:01,760
Um there's minimal noise impact. Um

4320
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:05,359
secure containment. Um, and then we've

4321
03:22:05,359 --> 03:22:07,279
got the other side of that coin, um,

4322
03:22:07,279 --> 03:22:09,279
from animal control that says due to the

4323
03:22:09,279 --> 03:22:10,720
number and types of animals, there's

4324
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:12,000
evidence that the state of this property

4325
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:13,359
is not aligned with the intended

4326
03:22:13,359 --> 03:22:14,319
character of the residential

4327
03:22:14,319 --> 03:22:17,349
neighborhood.

4328
03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:18,800
Um, and then the other one is the

4329
03:22:18,800 --> 03:22:21,439
proposed use will not involve activities

4330
03:22:21,439 --> 03:22:23,600
um that will be determined to be

4331
03:22:23,600 --> 03:22:26,000
detrimental to persons general welfare,

4332
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:28,000
causing traffic, noise, and odors, that

4333
03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:31,600
kind of thing. Um, again, she had some

4334
03:22:31,600 --> 03:22:33,840
um

4335
03:22:33,840 --> 03:22:36,640
quotes in her narrative where she talks

4336
03:22:36,640 --> 03:22:38,880
through some of the general welfare and

4337
03:22:38,880 --> 03:22:40,640
the noise and the odors and all of those

4338
03:22:40,640 --> 03:22:44,160
things. Um, and I just go back to the

4339
03:22:44,160 --> 03:22:48,000
numerous visits by law enforcement.

4340
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:49,439
Um, these are the conditions of

4341
03:22:49,439 --> 03:22:52,800
approval. They kind of are the they are

4342
03:22:52,800 --> 03:22:54,479
the same conditions that were approved

4343
03:22:54,479 --> 03:22:58,239
with the last conditional use permit. Um

4344
03:22:58,239 --> 03:23:00,080
and then also you know coming into

4345
03:23:00,080 --> 03:23:02,080
compliance with the number of the other

4346
03:23:02,080 --> 03:23:05,840
animals so that that meets code.

4347
03:23:05,840 --> 03:23:07,680
These are your potential motions. I

4348
03:23:07,680 --> 03:23:09,359
would ask that when you make your motion

4349
03:23:09,359 --> 03:23:13,600
you give a reason for whatever you

4350
03:23:13,600 --> 03:23:16,160
decide. I need you to come to the

4351
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:19,439
conclusion on this one.

4352
03:23:19,439 --> 03:23:21,040
I'd be happy to answer any questions.

4353
03:23:21,040 --> 03:23:23,840
>> Got a quick question for if I could sir.

4354
03:23:23,840 --> 03:23:28,720
So, if we were to to deny this,

4355
03:23:28,720 --> 03:23:30,560
does she have would she have a certain

4356
03:23:30,560 --> 03:23:33,600
amount of time to remove all the animals

4357
03:23:33,600 --> 03:23:37,439
that are over the limit or is it we just

4358
03:23:37,439 --> 03:23:39,120
going to keep having to keep send animal

4359
03:23:39,120 --> 03:23:41,520
control over there? Um, Commissioner

4360
03:23:41,520 --> 03:23:43,680
Turner, I imagine that animal control

4361
03:23:43,680 --> 03:23:45,920
would do an initial visit and would set

4362
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:49,520
up a a plan to be rid of them in a

4363
03:23:49,520 --> 03:23:51,520
certain period of time and then they

4364
03:23:51,520 --> 03:23:53,200
would continue to monitor it.

4365
03:23:53,200 --> 03:24:01,910
>> Okay, thank you.

4366
03:24:01,920 --> 03:24:28,950
questions.

4367
03:24:28,960 --> 03:24:34,960
Um, Commissioner Morgan, that definition in chapter 21 is the one

4368
03:24:34,960 --> 03:24:36,720
that causes the conditional use permit

4369
03:24:36,720 --> 03:24:38,960
to be required. And that's where it

4370
03:24:38,960 --> 03:24:40,399
talks about the two pigs or the two

4371
03:24:40,399 --> 03:24:44,880
dogs. And then the chart itself

4372
03:24:44,880 --> 03:24:46,960
lays out how many in total of the other

4373
03:24:46,960 --> 03:24:49,200
types of animals they can have without a

4374
03:24:49,200 --> 03:24:51,439
conditional use permit. So

4375
03:24:51,439 --> 03:24:53,279
>> what we're talking about today,

4376
03:24:53,279 --> 03:24:55,802
>> seven dogs.

4377
03:24:55,802 --> 03:25:02,469
[snorts]

4378
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:13,590
Yes.

4379
03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:17,840
Madam clerk, do we have a signup sheet?

4380
03:25:17,840 --> 03:25:32,950
Yes. Calling Gilliano's furl.

4381
03:25:32,960 --> 03:25:37,120
If Mr. S uh Spurl is not present, then

4382
03:25:37,120 --> 03:25:39,600
we have no other uh speaker signed up

4383
03:25:39,600 --> 03:25:41,760
for public testimony.

4384
03:25:41,760 --> 03:25:44,560
>> Okay. Uh is there anyone that would like

4385
03:25:44,560 --> 03:25:46,399
to speak for, against, or undecided on

4386
03:25:46,399 --> 03:25:49,760
this specific item?

4387
03:25:49,760 --> 03:25:51,760
>> Go ahead and come on up. Remember to

4388
03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:53,120
give us your name and address for the

4389
03:25:53,120 --> 03:25:55,439
record, please.

4390
03:25:55,439 --> 03:25:58,560
>> Hi. Uh, my name is Jonathan Doppkins.

4391
03:25:58,560 --> 03:26:02,560
Um, I live at 2770 West Tango Creek

4392
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:06,960
Drive in Meridian, Idaho. Um, but I am a

4393
03:26:06,960 --> 03:26:10,640
friend and a co-orker of Savannah. Um, I

4394
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:12,800
have known her for about four or five

4395
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:15,920
years and um, I've gotten to know her

4396
03:26:15,920 --> 03:26:19,600
with and her animals and her dogs. And I

4397
03:26:19,600 --> 03:26:23,920
have not once um thought that they were

4398
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:29,200
mistreated in any way. And um I have

4399
03:26:29,200 --> 03:26:31,120
been to her house and they have been

4400
03:26:31,120 --> 03:26:33,200
taken care of. They're wellfed. They're

4401
03:26:33,200 --> 03:26:37,760
in healthy condition. Um and so I asked

4402
03:26:37,760 --> 03:26:40,399
that she would be able to keep her dogs.

4403
03:26:40,399 --> 03:26:43,680
Um and this is this permit is only for

4404
03:26:43,680 --> 03:26:45,760
the dogs. So I don't think the other

4405
03:26:45,760 --> 03:26:48,479
animals would be put into the equation.

4406
03:26:48,479 --> 03:26:52,309
Thank you.

4407
03:26:52,319 --> 03:26:58,469
» Anybody else that would like to speak?

4408
03:26:58,479 --> 03:27:00,800
» My name is Del Oram and I live at 51

4409
03:27:00,800 --> 03:27:03,359
East Blue Heron Lane in Meridian, Idaho.

4410
03:27:03,359 --> 03:27:04,880
Um, I've known Savannah for the past

4411
03:27:04,880 --> 03:27:06,239
three years and she's not only become

4412
03:27:06,239 --> 03:27:07,600
like my best friend, but a sister that I

4413
03:27:07,600 --> 03:27:10,880
didn't have. And the dogs in her are I

4414
03:27:10,880 --> 03:27:12,319
can't imagine her without her dogs. Like

4415
03:27:12,319 --> 03:27:13,840
that is her family. That is her life.

4416
03:27:13,840 --> 03:27:16,399
Um, and they're the things that keep her

4417
03:27:16,399 --> 03:27:17,920
stable. like when she calls me and she's

4418
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:19,200
having a bad day, she's I know that

4419
03:27:19,200 --> 03:27:22,160
she's in a pile with the animals. Um to

4420
03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:23,760
say that they're like, you know, not

4421
03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:24,880
being taken care of to say that they're

4422
03:27:24,880 --> 03:27:27,760
abused is I think it's a grievous in a

4423
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:29,040
statement. I think that it it really

4424
03:27:29,040 --> 03:27:30,880
hurts my soul to see the people to know

4425
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:32,319
that she has people in her quarter that

4426
03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:34,800
support her. We've got lists of over

4427
03:27:34,800 --> 03:27:40,950
like 15 plus letters of recommendation.

4428
03:27:40,960 --> 03:27:44,160
Yeah, that um that just I think I just

4429
03:27:44,160 --> 03:27:45,279
think if you take it away from her like

4430
03:27:45,279 --> 03:27:46,960
I think that it just be be really

4431
03:27:46,960 --> 03:27:49,359
detrimental to her and then to me and I

4432
03:27:49,359 --> 03:27:50,560
don't want to lose my best friend

4433
03:27:50,560 --> 03:27:52,880
because you know stuff we are planning

4434
03:27:52,880 --> 03:27:55,520
to leave here we don't want to be a a

4435
03:27:55,520 --> 03:27:57,680
pain to anybody but um if you want to

4436
03:27:57,680 --> 03:27:58,960
know what real animal abuse looks like

4437
03:27:58,960 --> 03:28:01,200
I'm work the same profession um I have

4438
03:28:01,200 --> 03:28:02,960
seen things that I don't want to speak

4439
03:28:02,960 --> 03:28:06,800
about and this is not abuse um and this

4440
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:09,439
is they're well cared for um and she

4441
03:28:09,439 --> 03:28:10,880
would not be she would not take these

4442
03:28:10,880 --> 03:28:12,080
animals on if she could not care for

4443
03:28:12,080 --> 03:28:14,479
them

4444
03:28:14,479 --> 03:28:17,040
can take that in consideration.

4445
03:28:17,040 --> 03:28:20,550
>> Thank you.

4446
03:28:20,560 --> 03:28:27,110
Anybody else?

4447
03:28:27,120 --> 03:28:28,399
» Name is Sloan. Do you have anything to

4448
03:28:28,399 --> 03:28:32,399
add? Yep. Go ahead and come back up.

4449
03:28:32,399 --> 03:28:45,429
Yep. Go ahead, please.

4450
03:28:45,439 --> 03:28:48,960
of time before. Um, but all of these

4451
03:28:48,960 --> 03:28:51,520
binders are medical records.

4452
03:28:51,520 --> 03:28:53,920
It's all their blood work and then it's

4453
03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:56,640
letters of character from people

4454
03:28:56,640 --> 03:28:59,359
and then it's not a secret to the four

4455
03:28:59,359 --> 03:29:01,279
of us that we know who's reporting me

4456
03:29:01,279 --> 03:29:04,239
and it's it's not from the neighborhood.

4457
03:29:04,239 --> 03:29:06,880
It's it's a co it's co-workers, which is

4458
03:29:06,880 --> 03:29:08,880
another reason that we're leaving. I've

4459
03:29:08,880 --> 03:29:10,399
also had footprints that have they've

4460
03:29:10,399 --> 03:29:12,160
seen outside my house in my yard that

4461
03:29:12,160 --> 03:29:14,160
aren't mine in the snow. I don't feel

4462
03:29:14,160 --> 03:29:16,080
safe at home. I don't feel safe at work.

4463
03:29:16,080 --> 03:29:17,840
My animals make me feel safe. It's

4464
03:29:17,840 --> 03:29:19,279
another reason I'm trying to move. I

4465
03:29:19,279 --> 03:29:21,120
just want to move. I just want to keep

4466
03:29:21,120 --> 03:29:23,600
my animals and move. That's all I want

4467
03:29:23,600 --> 03:29:26,720
to do. I just want to leave. I've done

4468
03:29:26,720 --> 03:29:29,840
the I bought my house when I was 24. It

4469
03:29:29,840 --> 03:29:32,880
was a fixer upper. It's still a fixer

4470
03:29:32,880 --> 03:29:35,600
upper. When I was 24, I was sleeping on

4471
03:29:35,600 --> 03:29:37,359
my friend's couch. I didn't have a home.

4472
03:29:37,359 --> 03:29:39,600
And I went from that to having a home

4473
03:29:39,600 --> 03:29:41,200
that I thought I could live happily with

4474
03:29:41,200 --> 03:29:42,800
and just have my animals, have my old

4475
03:29:42,800 --> 03:29:46,239
lady dreams, my Disney princess life. I

4476
03:29:46,239 --> 03:29:48,479
don't have internet. I don't watch TV. I

4477
03:29:48,479 --> 03:29:50,479
don't have TV at my house. It's my

4478
03:29:50,479 --> 03:29:53,200
animals. I go home and I'll just play

4479
03:29:53,200 --> 03:29:55,120
with them and stare at them and hiking

4480
03:29:55,120 --> 03:29:57,520
and camping. Like, that's my life.

4481
03:29:57,520 --> 03:29:59,359
That's what we do. I know it's different

4482
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:01,840
from other people's hobbies, but I'm

4483
03:30:01,840 --> 03:30:03,840
different and I'm really tired of having

4484
03:30:03,840 --> 03:30:05,600
to take medication every day to fit in

4485
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:07,840
better and I have to do that to feel

4486
03:30:07,840 --> 03:30:11,040
safe at my own home. It's not right. And

4487
03:30:11,040 --> 03:30:13,040
here I am, you know, six, seven years

4488
03:30:13,040 --> 03:30:14,640
later and my house is still a fixer

4489
03:30:14,640 --> 03:30:16,720
upper because

4490
03:30:16,720 --> 03:30:19,379
I don't have the funds to do all that. I

4491
03:30:19,379 --> 03:30:21,200
[snorts] don't I don't especially now

4492
03:30:21,200 --> 03:30:23,200
with how prices have gone up. I wouldn't

4493
03:30:23,200 --> 03:30:24,560
have been able to afford my house as a

4494
03:30:24,560 --> 03:30:26,479
24 year old if I didn't buy it right in

4495
03:30:26,479 --> 03:30:29,840
2019 before I before the prices went out

4496
03:30:29,840 --> 03:30:31,439
above and beyond. And that's why I can't

4497
03:30:31,439 --> 03:30:33,359
afford to move out of the city here.

4498
03:30:33,359 --> 03:30:35,120
That's why I have to move out of state.

4499
03:30:35,120 --> 03:30:37,600
When I was 24, I didn't know to look at

4500
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:39,840
city ordinances. I knew not to live in

4501
03:30:39,840 --> 03:30:41,840
an HOA,

4502
03:30:41,840 --> 03:30:43,439
but I didn't think about city

4503
03:30:43,439 --> 03:30:46,160
ordinances. And I wish that I knew what

4504
03:30:46,160 --> 03:30:48,560
I know now because I would never have

4505
03:30:48,560 --> 03:30:51,680
bought that house. I resent it. I don't

4506
03:30:51,680 --> 03:30:55,040
want to be there anymore. I just want

4507
03:30:55,040 --> 03:30:57,520
permission to exist there until I can

4508
03:30:57,520 --> 03:30:59,359
leave, which is what I'm trying to do.

4509
03:30:59,359 --> 03:31:00,479
It's probably going to be at least

4510
03:31:00,479 --> 03:31:03,120
within the next year. And I did look at

4511
03:31:03,120 --> 03:31:04,720
the ordinances in Kentucky. And it

4512
03:31:04,720 --> 03:31:05,920
doesn't matter if you live in city or

4513
03:31:05,920 --> 03:31:07,200
outside of city. You can have as many

4514
03:31:07,200 --> 03:31:09,359
cats and dogs as you want. I learned

4515
03:31:09,359 --> 03:31:11,439
I've learned.

4516
03:31:11,439 --> 03:31:13,600
So, if you guys want to review medical

4517
03:31:13,600 --> 03:31:15,279
records and review letters, you're

4518
03:31:15,279 --> 03:31:18,160
welcome to. It's an open book. Um I've

4519
03:31:18,160 --> 03:31:20,239
had trouble with the law enforcement. I

4520
03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:21,600
know it doesn't look good and I'm really

4521
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:23,200
tired of being painted as this horrible

4522
03:31:23,200 --> 03:31:25,439
picture through animal control. My house

4523
03:31:25,439 --> 03:31:27,520
wasn't nice when I bought it. It's not

4524
03:31:27,520 --> 03:31:30,560
because my animals. It's it's just it's

4525
03:31:30,560 --> 03:31:32,399
it smelled bad when I bought it. It

4526
03:31:32,399 --> 03:31:34,080
looked bad when I bought it. It was what

4527
03:31:34,080 --> 03:31:36,239
a 24 year old could afford all on her

4528
03:31:36,239 --> 03:31:38,960
own. And I worked really hard and I was

4529
03:31:38,960 --> 03:31:43,600
really proud of my house until now.

4530
03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:46,239
Okay.

4531
03:31:46,239 --> 03:31:48,399
>> You have questions for

4532
03:31:48,399 --> 03:31:54,150
Guess

4533
03:31:54,160 --> 03:32:02,150
that's all. Thank you.

4534
03:32:02,160 --> 03:32:04,560
» I do have a question. I'm sorry.

4535
03:32:04,560 --> 03:32:12,790
>> Miss Sloan, if you don't mind.

4536
03:32:12,800 --> 03:32:18,800
Um, would you mind speaking to what the current charges and situation in the

4537
03:32:18,800 --> 03:32:20,720
court is just so we have a better idea?

4538
03:32:20,720 --> 03:32:22,160
>> Yeah, absolutely. And I actually I

4539
03:32:22,160 --> 03:32:23,680
didn't bring my phone, but I also was

4540
03:32:23,680 --> 03:32:25,359
just texting with my lawyer yesterday to

4541
03:32:25,359 --> 03:32:26,720
see if there was an update too that I'd

4542
03:32:26,720 --> 03:32:28,960
be happy to share. Um, so when they came

4543
03:32:28,960 --> 03:32:31,760
to my house, um, it was for a welfare

4544
03:32:31,760 --> 03:32:35,760
check on my dogs again and, um, they had

4545
03:32:35,760 --> 03:32:38,239
found Thank you. Um, and they found that

4546
03:32:38,239 --> 03:32:42,080
I had 24 chickens. However, I had they

4547
03:32:42,080 --> 03:32:43,840
were all less than six months old except

4548
03:32:43,840 --> 03:32:45,680
like five because people get chickens.

4549
03:32:45,680 --> 03:32:47,040
You grow them out, you see what's a

4550
03:32:47,040 --> 03:32:48,560
rooster, you see what's not, you keep

4551
03:32:48,560 --> 03:32:50,479
what you want, and you don't you don't

4552
03:32:50,479 --> 03:32:51,760
keep the others. Other people are

4553
03:32:51,760 --> 03:32:54,080
allowed to do that. Um, other people in

4554
03:32:54,080 --> 03:32:55,920
my neighborhood do have roosters, but

4555
03:32:55,920 --> 03:32:59,200
they they um took all my they took all

4556
03:32:59,200 --> 03:33:02,160
my chickens that day. Um, I also had two

4557
03:33:02,160 --> 03:33:04,080
mini ponies in my backyard, which I've

4558
03:33:04,080 --> 03:33:06,960
had there for several years. Um, and

4559
03:33:06,960 --> 03:33:08,800
they told me that I just had to move

4560
03:33:08,800 --> 03:33:10,239
them. So, I moved them. They're

4561
03:33:10,239 --> 03:33:12,800
outboarding with my large horse now. So,

4562
03:33:12,800 --> 03:33:15,359
I moved them. That's fine. They

4563
03:33:15,359 --> 03:33:17,920
confiscated the chickens, which Adele

4564
03:33:17,920 --> 03:33:20,000
went and picked up the very next day cuz

4565
03:33:20,000 --> 03:33:22,560
we were told that if they were picked up

4566
03:33:22,560 --> 03:33:24,800
and just relocated by somebody who

4567
03:33:24,800 --> 03:33:27,439
wasn't me, then there wouldn't be any

4568
03:33:27,439 --> 03:33:30,160
charges. Um, but then, uh, the shelter

4569
03:33:30,160 --> 03:33:34,399
hadn't finished processing them. Um, and

4570
03:33:34,399 --> 03:33:36,800
so Adele had to pick him up the next day

4571
03:33:36,800 --> 03:33:39,200
in which they charged her $700 to bail

4572
03:33:39,200 --> 03:33:41,520
them out of chicken jail. Um, and we

4573
03:33:41,520 --> 03:33:44,720
were not told of those fees. Um, but

4574
03:33:44,720 --> 03:33:46,800
they basically when I asked why they I

4575
03:33:46,800 --> 03:33:48,560
was being charged with cruelty because

4576
03:33:48,560 --> 03:33:51,920
I'm not cruel to the animals. I'm not cruel to them. I even have

4577
03:33:51,920 --> 03:33:53,520
medical records on my chickens of when I

4578
03:33:53,520 --> 03:33:58,160
took them to surgery and um but um I

4579
03:33:58,160 --> 03:33:59,600
asked why I was being charged with

4580
03:33:59,600 --> 03:34:01,120
cruelty and they said it was just the

4581
03:34:01,120 --> 03:34:03,279
category that it falls under and they're

4582
03:34:03,279 --> 03:34:05,840
trying to charge me each for cruelty for

4583
03:34:05,840 --> 03:34:07,840
each individual chicken. So like 24

4584
03:34:07,840 --> 03:34:10,080
counts of cruelty towards each chicken

4585
03:34:10,080 --> 03:34:11,840
and two counts of cruelty towards my

4586
03:34:11,840 --> 03:34:14,399
ponies. And it's very contradicting

4587
03:34:14,399 --> 03:34:16,800
because if the animals safety and I was

4588
03:34:16,800 --> 03:34:19,760
cruel to them was really what they were

4589
03:34:19,760 --> 03:34:21,279
worried about, then why were we allowed

4590
03:34:21,279 --> 03:34:23,600
to get them to get them back so I could

4591
03:34:23,600 --> 03:34:25,600
still have access to them? Why were my

4592
03:34:25,600 --> 03:34:27,120
dogs left at my house if I was being

4593
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:28,800
cruel to animals? Why were the cats left

4594
03:34:28,800 --> 03:34:31,120
at my house? Why? It's very

4595
03:34:31,120 --> 03:34:33,520
contradicting. Um, and the update that

4596
03:34:33,520 --> 03:34:37,200
my lawyer gave me yesterday was

4597
03:34:37,200 --> 03:34:45,349
um let me scroll down and find it here.

4598
03:34:45,359 --> 03:34:47,439
Um because I did ask him for advice

4599
03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:49,760
about coming here too because I don't

4600
03:34:49,760 --> 03:34:51,279
know if I could afford a lawyer he'd be

4601
03:34:51,279 --> 03:34:53,760
up here with me right now. Um but he

4602
03:34:53,760 --> 03:34:55,920
said where zoning is a civil issue. It

4603
03:34:55,920 --> 03:34:57,920
is outside the scope of my appointment

4604
03:34:57,920 --> 03:34:59,600
and I'm afraid I have a full calendar of

4605
03:34:59,600 --> 03:35:01,520
cases tomorrow. So he wasn't able to

4606
03:35:01,520 --> 03:35:03,648
make it tonight. He says I don't have

4607
03:35:03,648 --> 03:35:05,040
[clears throat] any updates on your case

4608
03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:06,960
currently. The prosecutor handling the

4609
03:35:06,960 --> 03:35:09,359
matter has been away dealing with family

4610
03:35:09,359 --> 03:35:11,840
stuff. I currently have nine other cases

4611
03:35:11,840 --> 03:35:14,080
set for jury trial on the same day or

4612
03:35:14,080 --> 03:35:16,640
prior to your case. I'm hoping the log

4613
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:18,800
jam of cases work in your favor to

4614
03:35:18,800 --> 03:35:20,800
encourage the prosecutor to dismiss your

4615
03:35:20,800 --> 03:35:23,120
case or maybe at least reduce it from a

4616
03:35:23,120 --> 03:35:25,920
misdemeanor to an infraction. You know,

4617
03:35:25,920 --> 03:35:27,439
because he has actual crimes to be

4618
03:35:27,439 --> 03:35:29,279
concerned with.

4619
03:35:29,279 --> 03:35:41,510
That was his exact quote.

4620
03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:42,960
Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to close

4621
03:35:42,960 --> 03:35:44,560
the public hearing.

4622
03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:45,760
>> Second.

4623
03:35:45,760 --> 03:35:48,000
>> Then moved by Turner, seconded by Kho to

4624
03:35:48,000 --> 03:35:49,439
close the public hearing. All those in

4625
03:35:49,439 --> 03:35:50,399
favor?

4626
03:35:50,399 --> 03:35:50,720
>> I.

4627
03:35:50,720 --> 03:35:53,840
>> Any opposed?

4628
03:35:53,840 --> 03:35:55,394
>> Closed.

4629
03:35:55,394 --> 03:36:04,309
[clears throat]

4630
03:36:04,319 --> 03:36:06,479
What?

4631
03:36:06,479 --> 03:36:09,359
I have some real concerns. We we granted

4632
03:36:09,359 --> 03:36:11,600
her one in July of 2022 and within two

4633
03:36:11,600 --> 03:36:15,920
years she she'd gone way over what was

4634
03:36:15,920 --> 03:36:18,239
allowed with the two potbelly pigs and

4635
03:36:18,239 --> 03:36:22,560
the two dogs at the time where she had

4636
03:36:22,560 --> 03:36:26,800
what horses and goats and wasn't even

4637
03:36:26,800 --> 03:36:29,359
two years and it was revoked.

4638
03:36:29,359 --> 03:36:32,469
I

4639
03:36:32,479 --> 03:36:34,000
countless

4640
03:36:34,000 --> 03:36:38,880
calls to even three calls from her to

4641
03:36:38,880 --> 03:36:43,600
that she had report a lost dog. So

4642
03:36:43,600 --> 03:36:46,960
I I have serious concerns with extending

4643
03:36:46,960 --> 03:36:48,640
this and giving her another chance to

4644
03:36:48,640 --> 03:36:52,239
have seven dogs because if history

4645
03:36:52,239 --> 03:36:54,880
repeats itself, which it usually does,

4646
03:36:54,880 --> 03:36:57,439
the seven dogs are going to turn into

4647
03:36:57,439 --> 03:37:01,520
who knows what else. And

4648
03:37:01,520 --> 03:37:07,670
I I mean at the one time she had

4649
03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:09,520
46

4650
03:37:09,520 --> 03:37:12,479
animals. I know farms that don't have 46

4651
03:37:12,479 --> 03:37:15,359
animals. [laughter]

4652
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:22,319
So So uh I I am not for giving

4653
03:37:22,319 --> 03:37:28,710
CU for this.

4654
03:37:28,720 --> 03:37:31,359
I have to agree. I don't know how many

4655
03:37:31,359 --> 03:37:32,960
chances you can get in life, but uh

4656
03:37:32,960 --> 03:37:34,800
she's had a lot more chances to get get

4657
03:37:34,800 --> 03:37:36,720
her act together than I've ever had in

4658
03:37:36,720 --> 03:37:38,800
my life.

4659
03:37:38,800 --> 03:37:41,520
Can't get together now. Hasn't been able

4660
03:37:41,520 --> 03:37:43,040
to in the past. I can't see that she can

4661
03:37:43,040 --> 03:37:45,520
in the future either.

4662
03:37:45,520 --> 03:37:50,870
Probably disregards

4663
03:37:50,880 --> 03:37:52,160
claims that she doesn't know what they

4664
03:37:52,160 --> 03:37:56,239
are, which that's not excusable to me.

4665
03:37:56,239 --> 03:37:57,760
Think about the police department and

4666
03:37:57,760 --> 03:38:00,640
the dollars that they spend

4667
03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:04,160
trying to address just her issue. It's

4668
03:38:04,160 --> 03:38:05,600
expense to the city that we don't need

4669
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:09,830
to have.

4670
03:38:09,840 --> 03:38:13,110
All right.

4671
03:38:13,120 --> 03:38:14,880
Chairman, if I may, while we're in

4672
03:38:14,880 --> 03:38:18,000
deliberation stage, um as deliberations

4673
03:38:18,000 --> 03:38:19,439
are happening, there's a box here on the

4674
03:38:19,439 --> 03:38:21,680
right that has the two there's

4675
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:23,200
technically four criteria, but these are

4676
03:38:23,200 --> 03:38:25,680
the two that are gerine to this. the

4677
03:38:25,680 --> 03:38:28,000
other two really don't apply.

4678
03:38:28,000 --> 03:38:30,880
As you make your comments, can you speak

4679
03:38:30,880 --> 03:38:33,120
commissioners to those points of where

4680
03:38:33,120 --> 03:38:36,319
it fits into it? Where this is a quasi

4681
03:38:36,319 --> 03:38:39,200
judicial decision, you got to fit it

4682
03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:41,840
squarely and tightly within those. So,

4683
03:38:41,840 --> 03:38:43,520
as you continue the deliberation, do

4684
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:44,720
that. Thank you.

4685
03:38:44,720 --> 03:38:45,600
>> Thank you.

4686
03:38:45,600 --> 03:38:47,520
>> Yeah, Mr. Chair. In fact, that's exactly

4687
03:38:47,520 --> 03:38:52,160
what I was just looking at here is the I do not believe that the number of dogs

4688
03:38:52,160 --> 03:38:54,720
and the request at the CUP fits the

4689
03:38:54,720 --> 03:38:58,640
nature of where this location is, where

4690
03:38:58,640 --> 03:39:00,000
the house is in the neighborhood. It's

4691
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:02,960
not com, you know, it's I think it's

4692
03:39:02,960 --> 03:39:05,520
detrimental to the neighbors, the

4693
03:39:05,520 --> 03:39:08,800
general welfare, not to mention the tra

4694
03:39:08,800 --> 03:39:10,800
traffic. We mention traffic all the

4695
03:39:10,800 --> 03:39:12,551
time. That's why

4696
03:39:12,551 --> 03:39:14,319
[clears throat and laughter]

4697
03:39:14,319 --> 03:39:16,800
not to mention the noise and the odor

4698
03:39:16,800 --> 03:39:20,000
from Seven Dogs um and whatever else

4699
03:39:20,000 --> 03:39:22,960
might be there in the home. Um I just

4700
03:39:22,960 --> 03:39:25,200
don't think that there's I'm not

4701
03:39:25,200 --> 03:39:29,920
convinced that the property is um

4702
03:39:29,920 --> 03:39:32,399
equipped well enough to handle seven

4703
03:39:32,399 --> 03:39:34,080
dogs.

4704
03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:37,200
And it's evident from encounters with

4705
03:39:37,200 --> 03:39:39,200
law enforcement that that has been the

4706
03:39:39,200 --> 03:39:44,080
case. So that's why I am inclined to uh

4707
03:39:44,080 --> 03:40:02,070
deny this.

4708
03:40:02,080 --> 03:40:04,160
I haven't lived as long as Steve has,

4709
03:40:04,160 --> 03:40:06,080
but I've been given more second chances

4710
03:40:06,080 --> 03:40:08,720
than that.

4711
03:40:08,720 --> 03:40:12,150
Um,

4712
03:40:12,160 --> 03:40:18,229
a lot of times on these cups we

4713
03:40:18,239 --> 03:40:20,239
almost better to have them than not

4714
03:40:20,239 --> 03:40:25,600
because then we have some leverage and there's there's motivation for her

4715
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:28,399
to follow the rules when we have the

4716
03:40:28,399 --> 03:40:30,800
conditional use permit.

4717
03:40:30,800 --> 03:40:37,349
Um,

4718
03:40:37,359 --> 03:40:38,960
I don't know if I have many thoughts

4719
03:40:38,960 --> 03:40:41,760
beyond that, but

4720
03:40:41,760 --> 03:40:44,960
>> I've got a question. So, if we were to

4721
03:40:44,960 --> 03:40:48,160
issue a CUP in this situation,

4722
03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:50,239
um, and let's just say somebody from

4723
03:40:50,239 --> 03:40:53,439
Boyisey called and made a complaint.

4724
03:40:53,439 --> 03:40:55,200
They know her, they don't like her for

4725
03:40:55,200 --> 03:40:58,080
whatever reason, they're not a direct

4726
03:40:58,080 --> 03:40:59,840
neighbor.

4727
03:40:59,840 --> 03:41:06,550
Is that a valid complaint?

4728
03:41:06,560 --> 03:41:09,200
Um, I'm I'm hoping we can look up that

4729
03:41:09,200 --> 03:41:11,920
language in code. I I'll do that in just

4730
03:41:11,920 --> 03:41:15,200
a second here. I think um I think it

4731
03:41:15,200 --> 03:41:17,920
relates to a neighbor within a certain

4732
03:41:17,920 --> 03:41:21,359
distance if if I remember right. So, let

4733
03:41:21,359 --> 03:41:23,600
me let me take a look at that code. If

4734
03:41:23,600 --> 03:41:26,000
there were two complaints from

4735
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:27,520
neighbors,

4736
03:41:27,520 --> 03:41:30,720
if you issue the cup and the cup is to

4737
03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:32,880
be revoked, I think it has to be two

4738
03:41:32,880 --> 03:41:36,319
neighbors within a certain distance that

4739
03:41:36,319 --> 03:41:39,760
uh complaint. So I if you got that

4740
03:41:39,760 --> 03:41:42,160
>> commissioner or may or chairman, um I

4741
03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:44,319
believe the language is in 102512 on

4742
03:41:44,319 --> 03:41:47,200
revocation. says, "Any citizen complaint

4743
03:41:47,200 --> 03:41:49,600
or city citation related to

4744
03:41:49,600 --> 03:41:50,960
non-compliance with the conditions of

4745
03:41:50,960 --> 03:41:53,279
the CUP shall be investigated by city

4746
03:41:53,279 --> 03:41:54,880
staff."

4747
03:41:54,880 --> 03:41:58,080
Um, again, I don't see any other as I'm

4748
03:41:58,080 --> 03:41:59,359
scanning through it, it appears that

4749
03:41:59,359 --> 03:42:00,880
it's going to be just for citizen

4750
03:42:00,880 --> 03:42:03,920
complaints or city citation.

4751
03:42:03,920 --> 03:42:05,520
And, you know, understanding is a lot of

4752
03:42:05,520 --> 03:42:07,840
these are complaint driven and so they

4753
03:42:07,840 --> 03:42:11,040
kind of come case by case analysis. And

4754
03:42:11,040 --> 03:42:14,479
so, but somebody who's totally remotely,

4755
03:42:14,479 --> 03:42:17,279
you know, from the situation, that's

4756
03:42:17,279 --> 03:42:19,840
going to be a case by case analysis. So,

4757
03:42:19,840 --> 03:42:21,200
>> the planning department has to

4758
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:23,680
substantiate it, act on it, right?

4759
03:42:23,680 --> 03:42:25,279
>> Uh, I believe so. Yes. It's here

4760
03:42:25,279 --> 03:42:27,040
investigated by city staff and it's in

4761
03:42:27,040 --> 03:42:28,399
title 10 of your code.

4762
03:42:28,399 --> 03:42:30,363
>> Rodney has to do it himself. Um,

4763
03:42:30,363 --> 03:42:31,439
[laughter]

4764
03:42:31,439 --> 03:42:33,520
but I I would I would imagine that the

4765
03:42:33,520 --> 03:42:35,680
intent of the word citizen in there is a

4766
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:37,680
citizen of

4767
03:42:37,680 --> 03:42:40,000
this jurisdiction. Yeah, that's only

4768
03:42:40,000 --> 03:42:46,710
reasonable interpretation to it. Yeah.

4769
03:42:46,720 --> 03:42:48,880
» Yeah. And the only last thing I would

4770
03:42:48,880 --> 03:42:50,880
add to that is just that um we were just

4771
03:42:50,880 --> 03:42:53,040
looking at the code. It also says found

4772
03:42:53,040 --> 03:42:55,680
to be credible. So yeah, I would have to

4773
03:42:55,680 --> 03:42:58,800
go out, visit it, visit the site, see if

4774
03:42:58,800 --> 03:43:00,640
it's credible, what the complaint is

4775
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:04,239
about. And it's up a little bit of notch

4776
03:43:04,239 --> 03:43:08,080
as you stated here, a notch up for um

4777
03:43:08,080 --> 03:43:10,479
those who can make that complaint

4778
03:43:10,479 --> 03:43:14,000
against a cup versus just an average

4779
03:43:14,000 --> 03:43:16,000
code compliance issue, anybody could

4780
03:43:16,000 --> 03:43:18,319
call in, right? They could be in Boisey

4781
03:43:18,319 --> 03:43:20,880
and call that in. But for a cup to be

4782
03:43:20,880 --> 03:43:25,590
revoked, it has to come from citizens.

4783
03:43:25,600 --> 03:43:29,840
Rody, along that same line, um

4784
03:43:29,840 --> 03:43:31,520
the police department, they're citizens

4785
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:33,760
of Nampa. Would that count as a citizen

4786
03:43:33,760 --> 03:43:35,520
or does that count as an official duty

4787
03:43:35,520 --> 03:43:39,830
or a citation?

4788
03:43:39,840 --> 03:43:41,680
» Mr. Chair and commissioners, there's

4789
03:43:41,680 --> 03:43:45,680
also discretion given to us. if there is

4790
03:43:45,680 --> 03:43:50,399
a agency um uh complaint or concern from

4791
03:43:50,399 --> 03:43:53,359
the animal control or whatever, we can

4792
03:43:53,359 --> 03:43:55,120
go out and visit and make that

4793
03:43:55,120 --> 03:43:56,720
determination.

4794
03:43:56,720 --> 03:43:59,680
I typically don't do that unless I get a

4795
03:43:59,680 --> 03:44:02,239
notice from somebody. I I wouldn't just

4796
03:44:02,239 --> 03:44:07,199
go out and visit a a cup issued location

4797
03:44:07,199 --> 03:44:09,439
unless we had the two complaints from

4798
03:44:09,439 --> 03:44:14,080
neighbors or I had um an a staff member

4799
03:44:14,080 --> 03:44:16,319
of the city notifying me there was a

4800
03:44:16,319 --> 03:44:17,600
problem and then I would go out and

4801
03:44:17,600 --> 03:44:26,469
visit.

4802
03:44:26,479 --> 03:44:29,600
Is it possible to put limitation time

4803
03:44:29,600 --> 03:44:34,389
restrictions on a cup?

4804
03:44:34,399 --> 03:44:36,880
» Mr. Chair and commissioners, yes. Um, we

4805
03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:39,040
have done that in the past and we've

4806
03:44:39,040 --> 03:44:42,080
said you can you can have this for a

4807
03:44:42,080 --> 03:44:43,920
certain amount of time and you by this

4808
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:46,560
date you have to do these things. Um,

4809
03:44:46,560 --> 03:44:49,199
we've done that put conditions but again

4810
03:44:49,199 --> 03:44:52,239
it's the Nolan Dolan Nexus and

4811
03:44:52,239 --> 03:44:54,960
proportionality rule. uh you just need

4812
03:44:54,960 --> 03:44:57,840
to be um it has to relate directly to

4813
03:44:57,840 --> 03:45:01,990
what's being requested

4814
03:45:02,000 --> 03:45:03,760
but you can't make excuse me you can't

4815
03:45:03,760 --> 03:45:11,429
make a condition

4816
03:45:11,439 --> 03:45:12,640
what I'm trying to say but I can't say

4817
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:16,389
it um

4818
03:45:16,399 --> 03:45:19,359
one of the conditions that that you say

4819
03:45:19,359 --> 03:45:20,960
your time limit is like he's talking

4820
03:45:20,960 --> 03:45:23,439
about you can't say well by January 25th

4821
03:45:23,439 --> 03:45:26,399
that you have to have no compliance

4822
03:45:26,399 --> 03:45:28,525
issues. Every time you have a compliance

4823
03:45:28,525 --> 03:45:30,399
[snorts] issue, that's another another

4824
03:45:30,399 --> 03:45:34,710
citation.

4825
03:45:34,720 --> 03:45:36,319
» You don't you don't give

4826
03:45:36,319 --> 03:45:37,120
>> I think you say

4827
03:45:37,120 --> 03:45:40,960
>> I think I she's trying to move and so

4828
03:45:40,960 --> 03:45:42,479
>> but she

4829
03:45:42,479 --> 03:45:45,920
>> if if we put a time condition on that

4830
03:45:45,920 --> 03:45:49,439
and say okay conditional you use permit

4831
03:45:49,439 --> 03:45:50,880
>> how long you going to get her to move?

4832
03:45:50,880 --> 03:45:52,399
Well, I think I think that's the that's

4833
03:45:52,399 --> 03:45:55,760
the whole point of the conversation is is it six months? Is it a year? And

4834
03:45:55,760 --> 03:45:57,520
then if that time runs out, then she

4835
03:45:57,520 --> 03:45:58,960
would have to come back before us and

4836
03:45:58,960 --> 03:46:00,399
ask

4837
03:46:00,399 --> 03:46:04,550
>> what's to keep her from [clears throat]

4838
03:46:04,560 --> 03:46:06,000
trying for a year and have five

4839
03:46:06,000 --> 03:46:07,840
complaints and then come back next and

4840
03:46:07,840 --> 03:46:10,239
do four complaints and come back five

4841
03:46:10,239 --> 03:46:12,399
more complaints.

4842
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:13,199
>> Assumptions.

4843
03:46:13,199 --> 03:46:14,960
>> Yeah. And if there are complaints there,

4844
03:46:14,960 --> 03:46:16,800
that is that gives grounds for

4845
03:46:16,800 --> 03:46:20,560
revocation of a of a of the permit.

4846
03:46:20,560 --> 03:46:22,640
Correct.

4847
03:46:22,640 --> 03:46:24,319
>> Yeah.

4848
03:46:24,319 --> 03:46:25,840
I care for her neighbors and I care for

4849
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:29,441
the city itself. We have laws. We have

4850
03:46:29,441 --> 03:46:31,199
[cough] regulations. We should comply

4851
03:46:31,199 --> 03:46:33,120
with them. If the police department goes

4852
03:46:33,120 --> 03:46:35,279
out there as many times as it has, that

4853
03:46:35,279 --> 03:46:43,990
sufficient for me.

4854
03:46:44,000 --> 03:46:47,359
I guess if that's still out there, um,

4855
03:46:47,359 --> 03:46:49,840
police will investigate for kind of code

4856
03:46:49,840 --> 03:46:52,560
compliance, maybe criminal liability,

4857
03:46:52,560 --> 03:46:56,399
whereas here, this is a, um, land use

4858
03:46:56,399 --> 03:46:59,359
investigation. So Rodney's and his team

4859
03:46:59,359 --> 03:47:01,040
would conduct their own investigation on

4860
03:47:01,040 --> 03:47:03,120
that. And so there would be a different

4861
03:47:03,120 --> 03:47:04,960
investigation when it comes to the cup.

4862
03:47:04,960 --> 03:47:06,399
Think of that as its own little box of

4863
03:47:06,399 --> 03:47:08,000
rules that's governed and administered

4864
03:47:08,000 --> 03:47:10,319
and enforced by a planning and zoning

4865
03:47:10,319 --> 03:47:12,800
department. PD, they still can do as

4866
03:47:12,800 --> 03:47:14,560
they need per calls. There's nothing

4867
03:47:14,560 --> 03:47:16,960
that stops them from that. And the

4868
03:47:16,960 --> 03:47:18,640
conditions you put on here, I mean, it's

4869
03:47:18,640 --> 03:47:19,840
implied in the name. This is a

4870
03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:22,560
conditional use permit. Um, put the

4871
03:47:22,560 --> 03:47:27,120
conditions on that would um meet the

4872
03:47:27,120 --> 03:47:28,640
criteria of our code that's up on your

4873
03:47:28,640 --> 03:47:31,680
screen in the box. And it can be a time

4874
03:47:31,680 --> 03:47:32,880
and it doesn't have to be to the

4875
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:34,640
property, right? It can be for time and

4876
03:47:34,640 --> 03:47:37,040
limited to the occupant owner as long as

4877
03:47:37,040 --> 03:47:38,319
they're there for a certain period of

4878
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:54,710
time.

4879
03:47:54,720 --> 03:47:57,920
I understand concerns about

4880
03:47:57,920 --> 03:47:59,520
prior.

4881
03:47:59,520 --> 03:48:01,279
I've also had many second chances in my

4882
03:48:01,279 --> 03:48:06,469
life, too. So,

4883
03:48:06,479 --> 03:48:08,319
I don't know. I think like I've said

4884
03:48:08,319 --> 03:48:10,080
before

4885
03:48:10,080 --> 03:48:14,150
issue you have more control.

4886
03:48:14,160 --> 03:48:54,630
I don't know. Two point

4887
03:48:54,640 --> 03:48:57,473
You done just a good job.

4888
03:48:57,473 --> 03:49:06,550
[clears throat] You've been on point.

4889
03:49:06,560 --> 03:49:09,520
Well, if there's no more discussions or

4890
03:49:09,520 --> 03:49:13,279
anything, I'll make a motion to approve

4891
03:49:13,279 --> 03:49:16,479
the permit as stated on the screen with

4892
03:49:16,479 --> 03:49:18,479
the conditions

4893
03:49:18,479 --> 03:49:25,670
for my um reasons being

4894
03:49:25,680 --> 03:49:27,920
a a time limit

4895
03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:33,030
on the on the permit.

4896
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:39,830
with with a time limit of one year

4897
03:49:39,840 --> 03:49:42,880
» to the occupant only, not to the

4898
03:49:42,880 --> 03:49:45,120
property.

4899
03:49:45,120 --> 03:49:47,199
>> What I'm hearing you say is to the

4900
03:49:47,199 --> 03:49:50,800
earlier of um occupant no longer owning

4901
03:49:50,800 --> 03:49:53,120
the property or one year, whatever comes

4902
03:49:53,120 --> 03:49:53,840
earlier.

4903
03:49:53,840 --> 03:49:54,239
>> Correct.

4904
03:49:54,239 --> 03:49:57,429
>> Okay.

4905
03:49:57,439 --> 03:49:59,840
» Mr. Chair, I I believe we still need

4906
03:49:59,840 --> 03:50:04,319
some uh reasoning too because how does

4907
03:50:04,319 --> 03:50:06,960
it meet the criteria? [snorts] I think

4908
03:50:06,960 --> 03:50:08,640
we just need a little more clarity

4909
03:50:08,640 --> 03:50:10,560
there.

4910
03:50:10,560 --> 03:50:13,120
If you want to add some analysis or

4911
03:50:13,120 --> 03:50:15,600
reasons based off those two in the box,

4912
03:50:15,600 --> 03:50:20,790
that'd be needed here.

4913
03:50:20,800 --> 03:50:22,160
» I know there's a motion on the table.

4914
03:50:22,160 --> 03:50:25,199
Can we discuss

4915
03:50:25,199 --> 03:50:26,479
a second?

4916
03:50:26,479 --> 03:50:29,279
>> Absolutely. discuss.

4917
03:50:29,279 --> 03:50:31,840
>> I'll hold it. I I don't know if the

4918
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:33,199
applicant would even be amendable to

4919
03:50:33,199 --> 03:50:35,439
this, but I I wonder if we could

4920
03:50:35,439 --> 03:50:37,439
include, you know, she's already gotten

4921
03:50:37,439 --> 03:50:39,120
rid of the chickens and the ponies, and

4922
03:50:39,120 --> 03:50:40,560
I think that's a good thing if we could

4923
03:50:40,560 --> 03:50:42,319
just enshrine that in the conditions,

4924
03:50:42,319 --> 03:50:45,920
too. That would make

4925
03:50:45,920 --> 03:50:47,600
better

4926
03:50:47,600 --> 03:50:50,160
is that that's kosher, right?

4927
03:50:50,160 --> 03:50:51,439
>> Yeah. If you want

4928
03:50:51,439 --> 03:50:52,640
>> if you want to have them amend the

4929
03:50:52,640 --> 03:50:56,399
motion to include that. Yeah. Um, and

4930
03:50:56,399 --> 03:50:58,319
yes, that would be permitted. Um, it's

4931
03:50:58,319 --> 03:51:00,160
not uncommon we'll see, hey, by a

4932
03:51:00,160 --> 03:51:01,520
certain time you have to be in

4933
03:51:01,520 --> 03:51:04,720
compliance, um, and have certain changes

4934
03:51:04,720 --> 03:51:06,880
happen, whether removed or added to your

4935
03:51:06,880 --> 03:51:08,880
situation. If you fail to do that, then

4936
03:51:08,880 --> 03:51:10,319
the whole thing crumbles, right? Then

4937
03:51:10,319 --> 03:51:11,920
it's revoked. It's almost like an

4938
03:51:11,920 --> 03:51:19,429
automatic revocation.

4939
03:51:19,439 --> 03:51:24,070
I might do two years.

4940
03:51:24,080 --> 03:51:36,229
But those are only suggestions you do.

4941
03:51:36,239 --> 03:51:39,359
I'm looking at the top one and it says

4942
03:51:39,359 --> 03:51:40,640
that the design, construction,

4943
03:51:40,640 --> 03:51:42,160
operation, maintenance of the property

4944
03:51:42,160 --> 03:51:44,399
and project will not adversely impact

4945
03:51:44,399 --> 03:51:46,720
the intended character and appearance of

4946
03:51:46,720 --> 03:51:49,040
the general vicinity.

4947
03:51:49,040 --> 03:51:52,560
They're not necessarily new animals.

4948
03:51:52,560 --> 03:51:55,439
This has been like this.

4949
03:51:55,439 --> 03:51:57,600
I don't see anybody here from the

4950
03:51:57,600 --> 03:52:00,319
neighborhood complaining about it

4951
03:52:00,319 --> 03:52:04,479
changing the neighborhood.

4952
03:52:04,479 --> 03:52:06,560
And if it did adversely affect the

4953
03:52:06,560 --> 03:52:08,319
neighborhood, I would expect someone

4954
03:52:08,319 --> 03:52:10,080
from the neighborhood to be here saying

4955
03:52:10,080 --> 03:52:12,319
so. So, I don't live in that

4956
03:52:12,319 --> 03:52:14,319
neighborhood, so I can't I'm not going

4957
03:52:14,319 --> 03:52:17,040
to speak whether it does or not.

4958
03:52:17,040 --> 03:52:23,110
andows

4959
03:52:23,120 --> 03:52:42,389
us to have these conditions that would

4960
03:52:42,399 --> 03:52:44,720
discuss this. I would I'm okay with

4961
03:52:44,720 --> 03:52:47,439
adding some conditions

4962
03:52:47,439 --> 03:52:49,840
If those are very specific, very

4963
03:52:49,840 --> 03:52:52,319
specific time frame, very specific

4964
03:52:52,319 --> 03:52:57,120
number of dogs and no other animals and

4965
03:52:57,120 --> 03:52:59,359
you know that would be an automatic

4966
03:52:59,359 --> 03:53:02,399
violation or revocation.

4967
03:53:02,399 --> 03:53:05,279
That's what I would be able to.

4968
03:53:05,279 --> 03:53:07,439
I want her to have her dogs, but I don't

4969
03:53:07,439 --> 03:53:11,520
want her to have 17 27 chickens and 14

4970
03:53:11,520 --> 03:53:13,439
cows and all that other kind of stuff at

4971
03:53:13,439 --> 03:53:14,880
our property either because that

4972
03:53:14,880 --> 03:53:17,359
definitely isn't

4973
03:53:17,359 --> 03:53:22,000
the nature of where this location is.

4974
03:53:22,000 --> 03:53:23,680
So, if there are very specific

4975
03:53:23,680 --> 03:53:31,510
conditions in the

4976
03:53:31,520 --> 03:53:34,541
» This might be a lengthy motion then.

4977
03:53:34,541 --> 03:53:35,439
>> [laughter]

4978
03:53:35,439 --> 03:53:39,120
>> Uh so I'll I'll make a motion move to

4979
03:53:39,120 --> 03:53:42,560
approve the conditional use permit

4980
03:53:42,560 --> 03:53:45,199
based on

4981
03:53:45,199 --> 03:53:48,229
25482

4982
03:53:48,239 --> 03:53:51,520
the lack of

4983
03:53:51,520 --> 03:53:55,600
um neighborhood opposition.

4984
03:53:55,600 --> 03:53:59,520
I will put the conditions on there of

4985
03:53:59,520 --> 03:54:01,680
one year

4986
03:54:01,680 --> 03:54:04,800
either occupant

4987
03:54:04,800 --> 03:54:07,600
or sells

4988
03:54:07,600 --> 03:54:09,920
property

4989
03:54:09,920 --> 03:54:14,080
with the condition of just the dogs

4990
03:54:14,080 --> 03:54:16,399
given the prior

4991
03:54:16,399 --> 03:54:20,150
am

4992
03:54:20,160 --> 03:54:24,160
because of the past amount of other

4993
03:54:24,160 --> 03:54:27,520
animals and other issues that have been

4994
03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:34,469
with Does

4995
03:54:34,479 --> 03:54:37,840
» that work Preston?

4996
03:54:37,840 --> 03:54:41,120
>> I think so. Um maybe one cleanup or

4997
03:54:41,120 --> 03:54:43,840
clarification on the ownership piece. It

4998
03:54:43,840 --> 03:54:46,880
could be if you're again it'll be you to

4999
03:54:46,880 --> 03:54:50,239
propose the amendment, not me. But um

5000
03:54:50,239 --> 03:54:52,960
you know if ownership changes or

5001
03:54:52,960 --> 03:54:56,160
occupant no longer uh or ceases to you

5002
03:54:56,160 --> 03:55:00,160
know reside there that way they move

5003
03:55:00,160 --> 03:55:04,399
sell whatever abandon it it's gone right

5004
03:55:04,399 --> 03:55:06,800
or and then the in the fall fall back

5005
03:55:06,800 --> 03:55:11,910
over this is a hard oneear back stop.

5006
03:55:11,920 --> 03:55:14,560
Can I ask a clarification?

5007
03:55:14,560 --> 03:55:16,800
We said seven dogs, specifically seven

5008
03:55:16,800 --> 03:55:18,640
dogs,

5009
03:55:18,640 --> 03:55:22,000
but what if what about cats? There's

5010
03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:24,960
certainly some additional

5011
03:55:24,960 --> 03:55:26,560
some cats there, too. I don't know how

5012
03:55:26,560 --> 03:55:29,840
many there might or is that included in

5013
03:55:29,840 --> 03:55:31,439
this motion or

5014
03:55:31,439 --> 03:55:32,479
>> seven?

5015
03:55:32,479 --> 03:55:33,840
>> Just seven dogs.

5016
03:55:33,840 --> 03:55:36,000
>> Just to reiterate on the motion, it's

5017
03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:37,840
for seven dogs

5018
03:55:37,840 --> 03:55:39,920
>> because that's what we're talking about.

5019
03:55:39,920 --> 03:55:41,439
and these seven dogs

5020
03:55:41,439 --> 03:55:43,439
>> and these these particular seven dogs

5021
03:55:43,439 --> 03:55:46,399
that have been listed and named in the

5022
03:55:46,399 --> 03:55:48,160
staff report that was

5023
03:55:48,160 --> 03:55:51,199
>> Yeah, I I think you've nailed it. I I

5024
03:55:51,199 --> 03:55:54,640
the request today is not for anything

5025
03:55:54,640 --> 03:55:57,120
but the dogs. So, we have to address

5026
03:55:57,120 --> 03:55:58,239
that.

5027
03:55:58,239 --> 03:56:02,469
>> Yes.

5028
03:56:02,479 --> 03:56:04,479
» Okay. So, the motion's good.

5029
03:56:04,479 --> 03:56:05,279
>> I think so.

5030
03:56:05,279 --> 03:56:06,160
>> We don't need to redo it.

5031
03:56:06,160 --> 03:56:07,760
>> Motion's good. The record's caught it.

5032
03:56:07,760 --> 03:56:10,160
So, yeah.

5033
03:56:10,160 --> 03:56:10,880
a second.

5034
03:56:10,880 --> 03:56:13,199
>> We have a second.

5035
03:56:13,199 --> 03:56:14,720
>> Um

5036
03:56:14,720 --> 03:56:17,199
I I would second I'm a little nervous

5037
03:56:17,199 --> 03:56:19,040
about the one-year timeline. It seems

5038
03:56:19,040 --> 03:56:20,960
optimistic.

5039
03:56:20,960 --> 03:56:22,880
>> And do we want her to have to come back

5040
03:56:22,880 --> 03:56:25,760
every year, pay the fee every year, come

5041
03:56:25,760 --> 03:56:28,399
back and do this permit?

5042
03:56:28,399 --> 03:56:30,640
>> Sounds like you I've already mentioned

5043
03:56:30,640 --> 03:56:31,120
two years.

5044
03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:33,359
>> I mentioned two years. You stuck with

5045
03:56:33,359 --> 03:56:35,120
one year. I if you want to stick with

5046
03:56:35,120 --> 03:56:36,399
one year, that's fine. But that would be

5047
03:56:36,399 --> 03:56:39,520
my suggestion. Then we'll go 18 months.

5048
03:56:39,520 --> 03:56:42,950
How's that? [laughter]

5049
03:56:42,960 --> 03:56:44,800
» It gives her I mean she's she wants to

5050
03:56:44,800 --> 03:56:46,160
be out in a year.

5051
03:56:46,160 --> 03:56:46,479
>> Yes.

5052
03:56:46,479 --> 03:56:47,920
>> Years have been done.

5053
03:56:47,920 --> 03:56:48,239
>> Correct.

5054
03:56:48,239 --> 03:56:50,720
>> And I I just don't want to burden her or

5055
03:56:50,720 --> 03:56:52,640
the planning staff with having to come

5056
03:56:52,640 --> 03:56:58,790
back more than is necessary.

5057
03:56:58,800 --> 03:57:01,199
» Mr. Chair. So the motion

5058
03:57:01,199 --> 03:57:02,479
>> are you amending it?

5059
03:57:02,479 --> 03:57:05,040
>> Motion's amended. And for the second

5060
03:57:05,040 --> 03:57:06,800
>> and I'll just go with Commissioner

5061
03:57:06,800 --> 03:57:10,870
Morgan for two years.

5062
03:57:10,880 --> 03:57:11,680
» I have a second.

5063
03:57:11,680 --> 03:57:12,560
>> Second.

5064
03:57:12,560 --> 03:57:15,760
>> I has been moved by Commissioner Fiend,

5065
03:57:15,760 --> 03:57:18,080
second by Commissioner Morgan to approve

5066
03:57:18,080 --> 03:57:21,120
this item.

5067
03:57:21,120 --> 03:57:24,449
>> Yeah. Can Can you restate the motion?

5068
03:57:24,449 --> 03:57:25,040
[laughter]

5069
03:57:25,040 --> 03:57:27,120
Just so that I'm clear. I think things

5070
03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:29,439
have changed a little bit. Mr. Chair, if

5071
03:57:29,439 --> 03:57:30,800
you could could you read it? Yeah. What

5072
03:57:30,800 --> 03:57:31,840
do you got over there?

5073
03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:33,680
>> Clerk can read it. I I'm pretty sure

5074
03:57:33,680 --> 03:57:35,040
that I have it, but

5075
03:57:35,040 --> 03:57:36,000
>> think I've got it.

5076
03:57:36,000 --> 03:57:36,319
>> Okay,

5077
03:57:36,319 --> 03:57:37,279
>> I'm looking at the clip.

5078
03:57:37,279 --> 03:57:38,160
>> I have been

5079
03:57:38,160 --> 03:57:39,439
>> Christiey's got it right there in her

5080
03:57:39,439 --> 03:57:40,000
notes,

5081
03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:42,000
>> writing seriously.

5082
03:57:42,000 --> 03:57:44,479
>> Okay. Um, thank you, Mr. Chairman and

5083
03:57:44,479 --> 03:57:49,750
commissioners. Um, for approval,

5084
03:57:49,760 --> 03:57:53,760
» because of 4 A2, the property has been

5085
03:57:53,760 --> 03:57:56,319
in this condition for some time. There

5086
03:57:56,319 --> 03:57:57,840
are no neighbors in attendance to

5087
03:57:57,840 --> 03:58:00,080
testify that it adversely impacts the

5088
03:58:00,080 --> 03:58:01,600
character and appearance of the general

5089
03:58:01,600 --> 03:58:04,239
vicinity. With the conditions of

5090
03:58:04,239 --> 03:58:06,720
approval that there is a time limit of

5091
03:58:06,720 --> 03:58:10,160
two years for the occupant only or as

5092
03:58:10,160 --> 03:58:12,319
long as the occupant or until the

5093
03:58:12,319 --> 03:58:13,920
occupant no longer resides at the

5094
03:58:13,920 --> 03:58:17,120
property for just these seven dogs and

5095
03:58:17,120 --> 03:58:18,800
not the other animals due to the

5096
03:58:18,800 --> 03:58:20,960
previous citations

5097
03:58:20,960 --> 03:58:23,520
that were listed by animal control.

5098
03:58:23,520 --> 03:58:26,160
So, it's two years or before she moves,

5099
03:58:26,160 --> 03:58:27,279
whichever comes first.

5100
03:58:27,279 --> 03:58:27,760
>> Yep. Yeah.

5101
03:58:27,760 --> 03:58:29,520
>> Two years or she no longer resides at

5102
03:58:29,520 --> 03:58:33,120
the property. Whichever comes first.

5103
03:58:33,120 --> 03:58:36,950
>> That is my motion.

5104
03:58:36,960 --> 03:58:38,560
» Okay. Madam Cler, can we have a roll

5105
03:58:38,560 --> 03:58:42,550
call?

5106
03:58:42,560 --> 03:58:45,199
» Garner absent. Miller,

5107
03:58:45,199 --> 03:58:47,120
>> hi.

5108
03:58:47,120 --> 03:58:49,600
>> Daffer absent.

5109
03:58:49,600 --> 03:58:50,479
Turner.

5110
03:58:50,479 --> 03:58:52,800
>> Nay. [clears throat]

5111
03:58:52,800 --> 03:58:53,600
>> Kho,

5112
03:58:53,600 --> 03:58:55,199
>> no.

5113
03:58:55,199 --> 03:58:56,160
>> Morgan,

5114
03:58:56,160 --> 03:58:58,000
>> yes.

5115
03:58:58,000 --> 03:58:59,040
>> Kirkman,

5116
03:58:59,040 --> 03:59:01,520
>> no.

5117
03:59:01,520 --> 03:59:04,319
>> Copeland, absent. Fine.

5118
03:59:04,319 --> 03:59:09,670
>> Yes.

5119
03:59:09,680 --> 03:59:28,469
» We're at 33. Motion failed.

5120
03:59:28,479 --> 03:59:32,469
situation.

5121
03:59:32,479 --> 03:59:34,720
» I will make a motion that we deny the

5122
03:59:34,720 --> 03:59:36,000
conditional use permit for a

5123
03:59:36,000 --> 03:59:37,920
non-commercial kennel license for seven

5124
03:59:37,920 --> 03:59:41,040
dogs in NRS6 single family residential

5125
03:59:41,040 --> 03:59:43,040
zoning district.

5126
03:59:43,040 --> 03:59:45,760
The reason is because this fails to

5127
03:59:45,760 --> 03:59:48,000
comply with

5128
03:59:48,000 --> 03:59:50,319
41025

5129
03:59:50,319 --> 03:59:52,479
4.8.2.

5130
03:59:52,479 --> 03:59:54,560
I know that there's nobody here from

5131
03:59:54,560 --> 03:59:57,120
that is that has been here to testify in

5132
03:59:57,120 --> 03:59:59,680
opposition, but there's plenty of police

5133
03:59:59,680 --> 04:00:04,239
reports that have specifically said this

5134
04:00:04,239 --> 04:00:08,080
is not conducive to this environment, to

5135
04:00:08,080 --> 04:00:10,560
this neighborhood. And there's been

5136
04:00:10,560 --> 04:00:13,040
noise complaints that have there's been

5137
04:00:13,040 --> 04:00:14,720
written

5138
04:00:14,720 --> 04:00:18,080
documentation from animal control about

5139
04:00:18,080 --> 04:00:20,160
the concerns of what the property how

5140
04:00:20,160 --> 04:00:22,479
the the state of the property and how

5141
04:00:22,479 --> 04:00:25,920
the the dogs were taken care of and and

5142
04:00:25,920 --> 04:00:31,279
so that's why I think that in the big

5143
04:00:31,279 --> 04:00:34,560
picture that this fails to comply and

5144
04:00:34,560 --> 04:00:37,040
that's why I make this motion to deny.

5145
04:00:37,040 --> 04:00:38,960
>> Second it.

5146
04:00:38,960 --> 04:00:40,800
It's been moved by Kirkman, second by

5147
04:00:40,800 --> 04:00:43,279
Turner to deny.

5148
04:00:43,279 --> 04:00:47,199
Madam clerk, can we have a roll call?

5149
04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:49,520
>> Garner absent. Miller,

5150
04:00:49,520 --> 04:00:52,399
>> no.

5151
04:00:52,399 --> 04:00:54,479
>> Daffer absent. Turner.

5152
04:00:54,479 --> 04:00:57,199
>> Hi.

5153
04:00:57,199 --> 04:00:58,319
>> Kho.

5154
04:00:58,319 --> 04:01:01,040
>> I

5155
04:01:01,040 --> 04:01:02,000
>> Morgan.

5156
04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:04,399
>> No.

5157
04:01:04,399 --> 04:01:05,359
>> Kirkman.

5158
04:01:05,359 --> 04:01:08,469
>> Hi.

5159
04:01:08,479 --> 04:01:09,920
and Fi

5160
04:01:09,920 --> 04:01:11,279
>> no

5161
04:01:11,279 --> 04:01:15,012
>> and Copeland absent

5162
04:01:15,012 --> 04:01:15,520
[clears throat]

5163
04:01:15,520 --> 04:01:17,520
>> three three motion fails

5164
04:01:17,520 --> 04:01:19,120
>> but people need to show up for these

5165
04:01:19,120 --> 04:01:26,710
hearings

5166
04:01:26,720 --> 04:01:29,760
» I mean to those voting to deny are there

5167
04:01:29,760 --> 04:01:31,840
any conditions that would get you to

5168
04:01:31,840 --> 04:01:35,510
vote for approval

5169
04:01:35,520 --> 04:01:37,840
» I'm not going to say there's not because

5170
04:01:37,840 --> 04:01:40,160
I always think there's I always think

5171
04:01:40,160 --> 04:01:42,239
that there there is we just need to find

5172
04:01:42,239 --> 04:01:43,680
those and I apologize that this was

5173
04:01:43,680 --> 04:01:45,040
running late, but I think it's very

5174
04:01:45,040 --> 04:01:46,479
important I think it's important to the

5175
04:01:46,479 --> 04:01:49,680
applicant to keep these dogs. My concern

5176
04:01:49,680 --> 04:01:52,080
is especially when they've been when

5177
04:01:52,080 --> 04:01:53,520
animal control has been out there and

5178
04:01:53,520 --> 04:01:56,960
it's documented of the state of the

5179
04:01:56,960 --> 04:02:00,880
property that that's in and

5180
04:02:00,880 --> 04:02:03,279
the the dogs and the safety and animal

5181
04:02:03,279 --> 04:02:04,800
cruelty and all that. And I know that's

5182
04:02:04,800 --> 04:02:06,080
still running through the court, but

5183
04:02:06,080 --> 04:02:07,680
that's documented here. And so that's

5184
04:02:07,680 --> 04:02:09,840
why I bring it up.

5185
04:02:09,840 --> 04:02:11,199
Not saying that this is something that

5186
04:02:11,199 --> 04:02:14,239
I'm thinking about. And so I'm I'm

5187
04:02:14,239 --> 04:02:19,040
wondering I I I'm okay with the with the

5188
04:02:19,040 --> 04:02:21,120
time limit. I think two years is too

5189
04:02:21,120 --> 04:02:23,680
much is too long. I think there should

5190
04:02:23,680 --> 04:02:28,399
be I think if there were some spot

5191
04:02:28,399 --> 04:02:30,080
checkins

5192
04:02:30,080 --> 04:02:33,520
>> just already on their radar. [laughter]

5193
04:02:33,520 --> 04:02:35,600
>> That's true. That's true.

5194
04:02:35,600 --> 04:02:40,710
>> They're already checking on

5195
04:02:40,720 --> 04:02:41,279
a year.

5196
04:02:41,279 --> 04:02:43,120
>> Yeah, I think and and I think that just

5197
04:02:43,120 --> 04:02:45,279
it just kind of it just kind of pulls it

5198
04:02:45,279 --> 04:02:46,880
Yeah. Well, I don't want to I don't want

5199
04:02:46,880 --> 04:02:47,279
to

5200
04:02:47,279 --> 04:02:49,760
>> pressure, but does it make it

5201
04:02:49,760 --> 04:02:52,640
>> that it's immediate?

5202
04:02:52,640 --> 04:02:55,040
>> Yeah. that that things are kept clean

5203
04:02:55,040 --> 04:02:57,760
knowing that there's a time frame and if

5204
04:02:57,760 --> 04:03:00,399
she has to come back and get an

5205
04:03:00,399 --> 04:03:02,880
extension on the cup

5206
04:03:02,880 --> 04:03:04,640
then that's a pro that's the process

5207
04:03:04,640 --> 04:03:06,640
that everyone has and everyone is

5208
04:03:06,640 --> 04:03:09,840
afforded to um so

5209
04:03:09,840 --> 04:03:11,040
>> well but I guess at that point if it

5210
04:03:11,040 --> 04:03:13,120
hadn't been revoked would there be a

5211
04:03:13,120 --> 04:03:14,960
reason for us not

5212
04:03:14,960 --> 04:03:18,479
>> no if it hasn't been revoked or if it

5213
04:03:18,479 --> 04:03:20,319
I mean if everything is going the way it

5214
04:03:20,319 --> 04:03:21,840
should be going and there's no re

5215
04:03:21,840 --> 04:03:23,760
there's no violation and it's and it's

5216
04:03:23,760 --> 04:03:28,710
held to that and at one year.

5217
04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:30,800
So I I think there is definitely room

5218
04:03:30,800 --> 04:03:33,120
for compromise. Absolutely. And the two

5219
04:03:33,120 --> 04:03:34,880
years was kind of the thing that I was

5220
04:03:34,880 --> 04:03:35,920
>> That's too long.

5221
04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:38,080
>> Yeah, I think so.

5222
04:03:38,080 --> 04:03:39,600
That was really the only thing that kind

5223
04:03:39,600 --> 04:03:39,760
of

5224
04:03:39,760 --> 04:03:42,960
>> So is it one year or 18 months?

5225
04:03:42,960 --> 04:03:47,189
>> I'm serious. What? [clears throat]

5226
04:03:47,199 --> 04:03:50,000
» Well, I mean, I think 18 months is is

5227
04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:51,920
fine because you're right. if she's

5228
04:03:51,920 --> 04:03:53,439
looking to move

5229
04:03:53,439 --> 04:03:55,520
>> there's a will there's a will there's a

5230
04:03:55,520 --> 04:03:57,279
way out of

5231
04:03:57,279 --> 04:03:58,640
>> going to be a challenge moving and

5232
04:03:58,640 --> 04:04:00,319
finding a place like and I totally get

5233
04:04:00,319 --> 04:04:02,720
that so I'm I'm good with 18 months I I

5234
04:04:02,720 --> 04:04:04,800
just don't want this to drag out

5235
04:04:04,800 --> 04:04:07,279
>> there's always the option though since

5236
04:04:07,279 --> 04:04:09,439
this is a cup for someone in the

5237
04:04:09,439 --> 04:04:11,760
neighborhood who does

5238
04:04:11,760 --> 04:04:12,800
>> find absolutely

5239
04:04:12,800 --> 04:04:15,279
>> a violation to make a complaint

5240
04:04:15,279 --> 04:04:17,040
>> and so that option is always there so I

5241
04:04:17,040 --> 04:04:19,040
think 18 months for me personally I

5242
04:04:19,040 --> 04:04:21,439
think 18 months is better than two

5243
04:04:21,439 --> 04:04:23,439
and not necessarily as quick as one

5244
04:04:23,439 --> 04:04:27,510
minute.

5245
04:04:27,520 --> 04:04:28,960
» Maybe people in the neighborhood haven't

5246
04:04:28,960 --> 04:04:30,160
complained because they think it's being

5247
04:04:30,160 --> 04:04:31,040
taken care of.

5248
04:04:31,040 --> 04:04:32,880
>> Well, that's for them to decide at that

5249
04:04:32,880 --> 04:04:33,920
point.

5250
04:04:33,920 --> 04:04:36,080
>> That's not that's of no concern for me

5251
04:04:36,080 --> 04:04:38,399
right now.

5252
04:04:38,399 --> 04:04:40,000
They got a complaint. They got a there's

5253
04:04:40,000 --> 04:04:41,439
a process to follow.

5254
04:04:41,439 --> 04:04:43,199
>> Redo your motion from the first one. Cut

5255
04:04:43,199 --> 04:04:44,399
it down to 18 months.

5256
04:04:44,399 --> 04:04:46,160
>> I just want you to have the practice.

5257
04:04:46,160 --> 04:04:49,120
>> Thanks. Okay. Just chair. I'll make a

5258
04:04:49,120 --> 04:04:52,800
motion to approve the previous motion

5259
04:04:52,800 --> 04:04:57,359
with the amendment of 18 months

5260
04:04:57,359 --> 04:04:59,040
reduced from the two years.

5261
04:04:59,040 --> 04:05:00,319
>> Second.

5262
04:05:00,319 --> 04:05:02,720
>> Been moved by Commissioner Fi. Second by

5263
04:05:02,720 --> 04:05:04,960
Morgan to approve the item with the

5264
04:05:04,960 --> 04:05:08,640
amendment to the original.

5265
04:05:08,640 --> 04:05:12,160
>> Madam clerk, can you roll call?

5266
04:05:12,160 --> 04:05:14,720
>> Garner absent. Miller

5267
04:05:14,720 --> 04:05:16,479
>> I.

5268
04:05:16,479 --> 04:05:18,479
>> Daffer absent. Turner.

5269
04:05:18,479 --> 04:05:21,279
>> Nay.

5270
04:05:21,279 --> 04:05:22,319
>> Kho.

5271
04:05:22,319 --> 04:05:23,600
>> No.

5272
04:05:23,600 --> 04:05:24,239
>> Morgan,

5273
04:05:24,239 --> 04:05:25,920
>> yes.

5274
04:05:25,920 --> 04:05:26,720
>> Kirkman,

5275
04:05:26,720 --> 04:05:29,040
>> yes.

5276
04:05:29,040 --> 04:05:31,359
>> Copeland, absent. Fiend.

5277
04:05:31,359 --> 04:05:35,990
>> Yes.

5278
04:05:36,000 --> 04:05:38,960
» Four to two. The motion carries.

5279
04:05:38,960 --> 04:05:41,040
>> Okay.

5280
04:05:41,040 --> 04:05:43,439
This cup will become effective 15

5281
04:05:43,439 --> 04:05:45,199
calendar days from the date the written

5282
04:05:45,199 --> 04:05:46,560
decision and reason statement is

5283
04:05:46,560 --> 04:05:48,239
provided to the applicant unless an

5284
04:05:48,239 --> 04:05:49,680
appeal has been filed with the planning

5285
04:05:49,680 --> 04:05:51,120
and zoning department with the

5286
04:05:51,120 --> 04:05:53,439
appropriate fee. No action should be

5287
04:05:53,439 --> 04:05:55,279
taken on this cup until the appeal

5288
04:05:55,279 --> 04:05:57,359
period has concluded. The applicant must

5289
04:05:57,359 --> 04:05:59,040
confirm with planning and zoning staff

5290
04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:04,870
there have been no appeals.

5291
04:06:04,880 --> 04:06:08,800
» Okay, we will move into item 3-4.

5292
04:06:08,800 --> 04:06:10,399
>> Mr. chair. Since it's late, should we

5293
04:06:10,399 --> 04:06:12,720
just push this to the next meeting?

5294
04:06:12,720 --> 04:06:14,000
>> I'm just kidding. I'm [laughter] just

5295
04:06:14,000 --> 04:06:15,760
kidding.

5296
04:06:15,760 --> 04:06:19,590
>> I was going to vote on that.

5297
04:06:19,590 --> 04:06:19,760
[laughter]

5298
04:06:19,760 --> 04:06:23,040
>> Uh annexation and zoning to RS4, RMH,

5299
04:06:23,040 --> 04:06:25,120
and BC zoning districts and a master

5300
04:06:25,120 --> 04:06:27,279
plan community with a potential

5301
04:06:27,279 --> 04:06:29,840
development agreement for Lonear.

5302
04:06:29,840 --> 04:06:33,359
addressed is 000 Smith Avenue, 00 Lonear

5303
04:06:33,359 --> 04:06:37,279
Road for Lonear 110 LLC, Challenge

5304
04:06:37,279 --> 04:06:39,120
Development Incorporated, representing

5305
04:06:39,120 --> 04:06:42,640
Lonear 110, and Corey Barton,

5306
04:06:42,640 --> 04:06:46,000
the applicant here, please.

5307
04:06:46,000 --> 04:06:48,080
>> Good evening. Uh Stephanie Hopkins. I'm

5308
04:06:48,080 --> 04:06:51,120
with KM Engineering. Our address is 5725

5309
04:06:51,120 --> 04:06:53,840
North Discovery Way in Boyisey. I'm very

5310
04:06:53,840 --> 04:06:55,439
excited to be here this evening to talk

5311
04:06:55,439 --> 04:06:56,960
about Lonear with you. This has been a

5312
04:06:56,960 --> 04:06:58,560
really interesting agenda. I've been

5313
04:06:58,560 --> 04:07:01,279
very um the whole wide variety of

5314
04:07:01,279 --> 04:07:03,279
topics. So,

5315
04:07:03,279 --> 04:07:06,319
>> um we're thrilled to be representing uh

5316
04:07:06,319 --> 04:07:07,920
multiple

5317
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:09,920
property owners and developers on this

5318
04:07:09,920 --> 04:07:12,160
property. Uh we're requesting annexation

5319
04:07:12,160 --> 04:07:13,520
to the city of Nampa with three

5320
04:07:13,520 --> 04:07:15,439
different zoning districts. We're

5321
04:07:15,439 --> 04:07:17,040
including a master plan community

5322
04:07:17,040 --> 04:07:21,279
request uh for Lonear uh plan community

5323
04:07:21,279 --> 04:07:22,880
with a potential development agreement

5324
04:07:22,880 --> 04:07:24,960
as well. We've met with the city to

5325
04:07:24,960 --> 04:07:26,319
understand requirements. We've held a

5326
04:07:26,319 --> 04:07:28,319
neighborhood meeting in March. There are

5327
04:07:28,319 --> 04:07:30,239
three attendees

5328
04:07:30,239 --> 04:07:31,920
uh and have researched the southwest

5329
04:07:31,920 --> 04:07:35,439
Nampa specific area plan in depth um in

5330
04:07:35,439 --> 04:07:37,040
designing what we're going to be showing

5331
04:07:37,040 --> 04:07:38,800
you this evening. We're requesting a

5332
04:07:38,800 --> 04:07:40,399
positive recommendation on the master

5333
04:07:40,399 --> 04:07:42,399
plan community and the annexation and

5334
04:07:42,399 --> 04:07:45,680
zoning. Um our team is very excited to

5335
04:07:45,680 --> 04:07:47,600
support the city's vision in this area.

5336
04:07:47,600 --> 04:07:48,880
As I was listening to all of the

5337
04:07:48,880 --> 04:07:51,520
hearings on the southwest Nampa specific

5338
04:07:51,520 --> 04:07:53,600
area plans, staff did a really great job

5339
04:07:53,600 --> 04:07:55,760
explaining the intent behind the

5340
04:07:55,760 --> 04:07:57,199
specific area plan. And at one point

5341
04:07:57,199 --> 04:07:59,120
they said specific area plans allow for

5342
04:07:59,120 --> 04:08:01,359
the city to be proactive and plan

5343
04:08:01,359 --> 04:08:03,840
slashprepare for growth while giving the

5344
04:08:03,840 --> 04:08:05,520
community and land owners certainty on

5345
04:08:05,520 --> 04:08:07,040
what to expect in the future. And I

5346
04:08:07,040 --> 04:08:09,520
think Lonear perfectly personifies that

5347
04:08:09,520 --> 04:08:12,000
objective the city had with the specific

5348
04:08:12,000 --> 04:08:15,910
area plan in this area.

5349
04:08:15,920 --> 04:08:17,600
I think

5350
04:08:17,600 --> 04:08:19,199
So, this is uh where the propertyy's

5351
04:08:19,199 --> 04:08:22,239
located. It's approximately 149 acres.

5352
04:08:22,239 --> 04:08:23,760
There's several parcels in

5353
04:08:23,760 --> 04:08:26,000
unincorporated Canon County. It's

5354
04:08:26,000 --> 04:08:28,560
located north of uh near the southeast

5355
04:08:28,560 --> 04:08:31,600
corner of Smith Avenue and Midway Road

5356
04:08:31,600 --> 04:08:33,760
in Southwest Nampa. Right across the

5357
04:08:33,760 --> 04:08:36,160
street from Midway Park uh and near

5358
04:08:36,160 --> 04:08:39,520
existing zoned properties. There's RS7,

5359
04:08:39,520 --> 04:08:44,160
RS6, RS 8.5, RS22, and BC districts in

5360
04:08:44,160 --> 04:08:47,120
the nearby area. If approved for

5361
04:08:47,120 --> 04:08:48,479
annexation, this would be the first

5362
04:08:48,479 --> 04:08:50,239
master plan community within the

5363
04:08:50,239 --> 04:08:52,160
southwest Nampa specific area plan. So,

5364
04:08:52,160 --> 04:08:53,760
it's a really great opportunity to have

5365
04:08:53,760 --> 04:08:56,479
a large assemblage of pro property

5366
04:08:56,479 --> 04:08:58,960
brought in uh as the first development

5367
04:08:58,960 --> 04:09:01,520
within the specific area plan. It's

5368
04:09:01,520 --> 04:09:03,840
opportunityly placed near transportation

5369
04:09:03,840 --> 04:09:06,239
corridors. Uh it's near existing

5370
04:09:06,239 --> 04:09:08,720
services, Midway Park, as I mentioned,

5371
04:09:08,720 --> 04:09:11,359
and is in a beautiful part of Nampa, as

5372
04:09:11,359 --> 04:09:14,239
you're all aware.

5373
04:09:14,239 --> 04:09:16,160
Our annexation and zoning request is

5374
04:09:16,160 --> 04:09:17,680
consistent with the comprehensive plan.

5375
04:09:17,680 --> 04:09:19,359
It's in alignment with the specific area

5376
04:09:19,359 --> 04:09:21,680
plan and the future land use map. The

5377
04:09:21,680 --> 04:09:23,359
proposed uses will be designed to be

5378
04:09:23,359 --> 04:09:24,640
compatible with this existing

5379
04:09:24,640 --> 04:09:26,080
development. Right now, we just have a

5380
04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:28,080
concept a conceptual plan that shows you

5381
04:09:28,080 --> 04:09:29,680
a rough road network that I'll show you

5382
04:09:29,680 --> 04:09:32,080
in a little bit with some land uses and

5383
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:33,920
zonings. We don't have a preliminary

5384
04:09:33,920 --> 04:09:35,760
plat or anything showing layout at this

5385
04:09:35,760 --> 04:09:37,120
point, but we will eventually if this

5386
04:09:37,120 --> 04:09:40,399
annexation's approved. Uh and a reszone

5387
04:09:40,399 --> 04:09:42,239
to the BC, the Community Business

5388
04:09:42,239 --> 04:09:45,359
District, uh RS4 and RMH is consistent

5389
04:09:45,359 --> 04:09:49,429
with the specific area plan.

5390
04:09:49,439 --> 04:09:52,000
We're requesting about 30 acres in the

5391
04:09:52,000 --> 04:09:55,120
community business district, 90.65 in

5392
04:09:55,120 --> 04:09:57,120
the RS4 for the single family. That's

5393
04:09:57,120 --> 04:09:58,720
shown in yellow on the map in front of

5394
04:09:58,720 --> 04:10:02,319
you. And uh the RH district, which is uh

5395
04:10:02,319 --> 04:10:06,560
shown in the brown, is 28.66 acres.

5396
04:10:06,560 --> 04:10:08,960
Overall, the property is 149 acres. And

5397
04:10:08,960 --> 04:10:11,040
we've uh developed this specifically to

5398
04:10:11,040 --> 04:10:13,199
comply with the requirements of the

5399
04:10:13,199 --> 04:10:16,319
specific area plan. So that shows the

5400
04:10:16,319 --> 04:10:17,920
50%

5401
04:10:17,920 --> 04:10:20,880
it's 5 to 50% multif family with the

5402
04:10:20,880 --> 04:10:23,840
rest is commercial in that area. So the

5403
04:10:23,840 --> 04:10:25,439
southwest Nampa plan was carefully

5404
04:10:25,439 --> 04:10:27,120
developed as you're all aware reviewed

5405
04:10:27,120 --> 04:10:30,399
and revised over last couple of years.

5406
04:10:30,399 --> 04:10:31,760
Uh there were a lot of meetings about it

5407
04:10:31,760 --> 04:10:34,319
and city council approved it last year.

5408
04:10:34,319 --> 04:10:36,319
The plan specifically places low

5409
04:10:36,319 --> 04:10:39,040
density. So one dwelling unit per acre

5410
04:10:39,040 --> 04:10:41,040
and one to two and a half dwelling units

5411
04:10:41,040 --> 04:10:43,040
per acre shown in light yellow here and

5412
04:10:43,040 --> 04:10:46,239
the one unit per acre is or sorry one

5413
04:10:46,239 --> 04:10:48,319
unit per acre is in light green shown on

5414
04:10:48,319 --> 04:10:50,239
the map here adjacent to Lake LOL and

5415
04:10:50,239 --> 04:10:52,880
the wildlife refuge that was placed

5416
04:10:52,880 --> 04:10:54,399
there specifically to preserve those

5417
04:10:54,399 --> 04:10:57,120
areas in uh feed in relation to the

5418
04:10:57,120 --> 04:10:58,319
feedback that was received as part of

5419
04:10:58,319 --> 04:11:00,720
the specific area plan. The plan places

5420
04:11:00,720 --> 04:11:02,560
higher density with a mix of uses near

5421
04:11:02,560 --> 04:11:04,479
existing city infrastructure including

5422
04:11:04,479 --> 04:11:06,560
water, sewer, PI, and community

5423
04:11:06,560 --> 04:11:08,319
amenities such as Midway Park and

5424
04:11:08,319 --> 04:11:10,800
services such as the future Nampa school

5425
04:11:10,800 --> 04:11:12,960
district sites that are shown on this

5426
04:11:12,960 --> 04:11:16,640
site right where Lonear is uh proposed.

5427
04:11:16,640 --> 04:11:19,680
So within the area that we are proposing

5428
04:11:19,680 --> 04:11:22,160
development in, uh it's programmed to

5429
04:11:22,160 --> 04:11:24,560
see five to eight units per acre and 8

5430
04:11:24,560 --> 04:11:27,279
to 12 units per acre.

5431
04:11:27,279 --> 04:11:29,600
Within the community mixed use area,

5432
04:11:29,600 --> 04:11:32,960
we're including um the RH district to

5433
04:11:32,960 --> 04:11:35,120
fulfill the requirement for the 5 to 50%

5434
04:11:35,120 --> 04:11:37,600
multifamily. And then we're requesting a

5435
04:11:37,600 --> 04:11:40,000
density increase of up to 20% within

5436
04:11:40,000 --> 04:11:42,239
that area so that we can build more

5437
04:11:42,239 --> 04:11:44,640
density into what is programmed to be

5438
04:11:44,640 --> 04:11:47,520
more high highdensity housing to keep

5439
04:11:47,520 --> 04:11:49,680
some of our single family less dense and

5440
04:11:49,680 --> 04:11:52,080
to really support the commercial uses

5441
04:11:52,080 --> 04:11:54,560
that are going that are proposed within

5442
04:11:54,560 --> 04:11:56,080
the medium density residential area

5443
04:11:56,080 --> 04:11:58,319
which is on the periphery shown uh in

5444
04:11:58,319 --> 04:12:00,560
the highlight here. Uh we're proposing

5445
04:12:00,560 --> 04:12:02,960
RS4 which has a density range of 5 to

5446
04:12:02,960 --> 04:12:07,670
eight units per acre.

5447
04:12:07,680 --> 04:12:09,279
This is one of the exhibits from the

5448
04:12:09,279 --> 04:12:11,279
specific area plan that shows the mix of

5449
04:12:11,279 --> 04:12:12,880
uses that's anticipated with this area.

5450
04:12:12,880 --> 04:12:14,640
So, as you can see along Midway Road,

5451
04:12:14,640 --> 04:12:16,720
this is the Lonear project outline in

5452
04:12:16,720 --> 04:12:20,000
red. Along uh Midway Road, there is

5453
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:21,600
commercial and then along a portion of

5454
04:12:21,600 --> 04:12:23,760
Lonear, there's commercial as well. And

5455
04:12:23,760 --> 04:12:26,160
then it uh transitions in density. So

5456
04:12:26,160 --> 04:12:27,359
there's some higher density residential

5457
04:12:27,359 --> 04:12:28,880
right up against the commercial and it

5458
04:12:28,880 --> 04:12:30,560
transitions to more of a single family

5459
04:12:30,560 --> 04:12:34,640
lower in density product

5460
04:12:34,640 --> 04:12:37,120
which is consistent with this diagram as

5461
04:12:37,120 --> 04:12:38,720
well. As you can see the city wants to

5462
04:12:38,720 --> 04:12:40,640
see some mix of uses along major

5463
04:12:40,640 --> 04:12:42,720
transportation corridors in proximity to

5464
04:12:42,720 --> 04:12:45,040
Midway Park and uh future school

5465
04:12:45,040 --> 04:12:46,560
district

5466
04:12:46,560 --> 04:12:48,560
potentially developed but owned

5467
04:12:48,560 --> 04:12:50,080
properties

5468
04:12:50,080 --> 04:12:51,600
and that is consistent with the concept

5469
04:12:51,600 --> 04:12:54,560
plan that we've submitted. So this is

5470
04:12:54,560 --> 04:12:57,199
the concept plan that's in your packet.

5471
04:12:57,199 --> 04:12:59,040
We're showing the BC district in the

5472
04:12:59,040 --> 04:13:01,920
pink color and that's right up against

5473
04:13:01,920 --> 04:13:04,880
Midway Road and on I both sides of

5474
04:13:04,880 --> 04:13:07,760
Lonear Road. And then we have a multif

5475
04:13:07,760 --> 04:13:11,199
family shown right in between the the

5476
04:13:11,199 --> 04:13:12,720
commercial and the single family to

5477
04:13:12,720 --> 04:13:14,800
provide a nice transition within the

5478
04:13:14,800 --> 04:13:17,760
multifamily area. We're proposing 75%

5479
04:13:17,760 --> 04:13:20,319
apartments or multifamily living and

5480
04:13:20,319 --> 04:13:22,239
then um the other 25% will be a town

5481
04:13:22,239 --> 04:13:23,920
home product. So the idea would be to

5482
04:13:23,920 --> 04:13:26,080
transition in density from a more

5483
04:13:26,080 --> 04:13:28,319
intense use on the commercial side to

5484
04:13:28,319 --> 04:13:30,000
kind of a higher density multif family

5485
04:13:30,000 --> 04:13:31,600
and then transition to the single family

5486
04:13:31,600 --> 04:13:35,279
homes as you go further east.

5487
04:13:35,279 --> 04:13:36,399
At this point we're showing some

5488
04:13:36,399 --> 04:13:38,560
connectivity that will occur as the

5489
04:13:38,560 --> 04:13:40,800
phases come in. So right now we're

5490
04:13:40,800 --> 04:13:43,279
showing um you know internal roadway

5491
04:13:43,279 --> 04:13:46,080
network that could occur with every

5492
04:13:46,080 --> 04:13:47,840
preliminary platter final plat that

5493
04:13:47,840 --> 04:13:49,600
comes in. We do have a collector shown

5494
04:13:49,600 --> 04:13:51,840
on our far east boundary as well that

5495
04:13:51,840 --> 04:13:54,479
would extend down to Lonear eventually.

5496
04:13:54,479 --> 04:13:56,479
And because this property does connect

5497
04:13:56,479 --> 04:13:58,800
on both sides of Lonear improvements,

5498
04:13:58,800 --> 04:14:01,199
the whole Lonear section that's shown on

5499
04:14:01,199 --> 04:14:02,560
both sides of our property would be

5500
04:14:02,560 --> 04:14:04,560
improved as well as improvements along

5501
04:14:04,560 --> 04:14:06,800
Midway Road and Smith Avenue on the

5502
04:14:06,800 --> 04:14:08,479
north side. So those improvements would

5503
04:14:08,479 --> 04:14:10,239
be made as each final plaque came come

5504
04:14:10,239 --> 04:14:14,880
in um if the sanexation was approved.

5505
04:14:14,880 --> 04:14:17,199
And then there um is going to be a

5506
04:14:17,199 --> 04:14:18,800
pathway along the canal that's in the

5507
04:14:18,800 --> 04:14:21,040
northeast corner of the site uh in

5508
04:14:21,040 --> 04:14:22,560
alignment with the pathways plan the

5509
04:14:22,560 --> 04:14:27,030
city has.

5510
04:14:27,040 --> 04:14:29,040
So the single family residential area is

5511
04:14:29,040 --> 04:14:32,239
about 90 acres. The density in the uh

5512
04:14:32,239 --> 04:14:34,239
plan is 5 to eight units per acre. We

5513
04:14:34,239 --> 04:14:35,680
don't have a specific number of lots,

5514
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:38,560
but we would comply with that.

5515
04:14:38,560 --> 04:14:41,520
Multifamily is designed here. These are

5516
04:14:41,520 --> 04:14:43,359
some amenities and some open space areas

5517
04:14:43,359 --> 04:14:46,239
that we would plan on including there.

5518
04:14:46,239 --> 04:14:47,760
And as I mentioned, we're requesting a

5519
04:14:47,760 --> 04:14:51,040
20% bonus on density there. Commercial

5520
04:14:51,040 --> 04:14:53,199
is about 30 acres and that's compliant

5521
04:14:53,199 --> 04:14:55,439
with the specific area plan. I'm running

5522
04:14:55,439 --> 04:14:56,560
out of time, so I'm trying to go quick,

5523
04:14:56,560 --> 04:14:58,960
but I'm happy to answer questions. Um,

5524
04:14:58,960 --> 04:15:01,040
these are some open space highlights. We

5525
04:15:01,040 --> 04:15:03,120
included some design guidelines with our

5526
04:15:03,120 --> 04:15:05,199
application to include consistent

5527
04:15:05,199 --> 04:15:08,000
compatible design for all of the

5528
04:15:08,000 --> 04:15:09,439
commercial, single family, and

5529
04:15:09,439 --> 04:15:11,680
multifamily components of the project.

5530
04:15:11,680 --> 04:15:13,439
And then there will be a list of project

5531
04:15:13,439 --> 04:15:15,920
benefits, but I think the most important

5532
04:15:15,920 --> 04:15:18,159
thing is the opportunity to partner with

5533
04:15:18,159 --> 04:15:20,080
the developer on the first largecale

5534
04:15:20,080 --> 04:15:22,319
development in this area. It's not often

5535
04:15:22,319 --> 04:15:23,920
that this much property comes in at one

5536
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:25,120
time and you can really have a

5537
04:15:25,120 --> 04:15:27,760
comprehensive look and try to set forth

5538
04:15:27,760 --> 04:15:29,920
a foundation for what the city envisions

5539
04:15:29,920 --> 04:15:32,560
for growth in an area that has not a lot

5540
04:15:32,560 --> 04:15:34,640
of growth. Um, I think I heard loud and

5541
04:15:34,640 --> 04:15:36,239
clear from all the hearings that the

5542
04:15:36,239 --> 04:15:38,479
city really wants to see commercial in

5543
04:15:38,479 --> 04:15:39,840
this area and that's something that this

5544
04:15:39,840 --> 04:15:42,399
project is really excited to bring. Uh,

5545
04:15:42,399 --> 04:15:45,279
timing it'll be probably 10 to 15 years.

5546
04:15:45,279 --> 04:15:46,399
So, it's going to be an incremental

5547
04:15:46,399 --> 04:15:48,159
process. It's not going to be overnight,

5548
04:15:48,159 --> 04:15:50,720
but um we're all very excited and um I'm

5549
04:15:50,720 --> 04:15:52,319
happy to answer any questions if you

5550
04:15:52,319 --> 04:15:54,640
have them

5551
04:15:54,640 --> 04:15:56,960
>> questions.

5552
04:15:56,960 --> 04:15:58,399
Not right now.

5553
04:15:58,399 --> 04:16:00,239
>> Okay, call you back up.

5554
04:16:00,239 --> 04:16:01,040
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

5555
04:16:01,040 --> 04:16:05,510
>> Thank you,

5556
04:16:05,520 --> 04:16:09,830
» Mr. Ashby.

5557
04:16:09,840 --> 04:16:12,800
Go ahead.

5558
04:16:12,800 --> 04:16:14,720
Thank you, Jim Cart.

5559
04:16:14,720 --> 04:16:15,439
>> Oh, no.

5560
04:16:15,439 --> 04:16:18,560
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Did I [laughter]

5561
04:16:18,560 --> 04:16:19,520
>> Sorry about that.

5562
04:16:19,520 --> 04:16:20,399
>> You're good.

5563
04:16:20,399 --> 04:16:24,162
>> He's wanting to go home, too.

5564
04:16:24,162 --> 04:16:24,640
[laughter]

5565
04:16:24,640 --> 04:16:26,159
>> It's getting late.

5566
04:16:26,159 --> 04:16:30,080
>> Yeah, I'm getting tired myself. Um,

5567
04:16:30,080 --> 04:16:32,640
okay. So, I'm You've seen where this is

5568
04:16:32,640 --> 04:16:36,560
located near Midway Park. Um, we'll kind

5569
04:16:36,560 --> 04:16:38,239
of move through some of these slides

5570
04:16:38,239 --> 04:16:40,159
pretty quickly. The applicants presented

5571
04:16:40,159 --> 04:16:43,840
their proposal, so I'll skip that there.

5572
04:16:43,840 --> 04:16:45,359
Um,

5573
04:16:45,359 --> 04:16:48,239
I can't see very well, so let me look at

5574
04:16:48,239 --> 04:16:51,760
this. Um, so the Lonear uh master plan

5575
04:16:51,760 --> 04:16:53,520
community is in the Nampa comprehensive

5576
04:16:53,520 --> 04:16:56,080
plan planning area and within the

5577
04:16:56,080 --> 04:16:58,960
Southwest Nampa specific area plan. uh

5578
04:16:58,960 --> 04:17:02,880
you saw the applicant's um justification

5579
04:17:02,880 --> 04:17:06,159
for how they met the specific area plan

5580
04:17:06,159 --> 04:17:09,199
standards and uh I looked at those

5581
04:17:09,199 --> 04:17:11,920
standards as well and found that it was

5582
04:17:11,920 --> 04:17:14,159
really consistent with the specific area

5583
04:17:14,159 --> 04:17:17,920
plan. Um that that plan isn't perfect,

5584
04:17:17,920 --> 04:17:21,439
right? We we took a moment of time and

5585
04:17:21,439 --> 04:17:23,279
there was at that time they were

5586
04:17:23,279 --> 04:17:27,120
considering some um schools u being

5587
04:17:27,120 --> 04:17:30,720
placed there. the levy didn't pass. So,

5588
04:17:30,720 --> 04:17:32,479
some of that is going to be different,

5589
04:17:32,479 --> 04:17:35,359
but overall the principles of the plan

5590
04:17:35,359 --> 04:17:37,439
were followed and the land uses that

5591
04:17:37,439 --> 04:17:45,520
were under those uh those parcels are still applicable here. Um

5592
04:17:45,520 --> 04:17:48,479
the location and size Lonear master plan

5593
04:17:48,479 --> 04:17:50,960
community is in the uh Nampa planning

5594
04:17:50,960 --> 04:17:53,359
area east of Midway Road and between

5595
04:17:53,359 --> 04:17:55,520
Smith Avenue and Lonear Road with a

5596
04:17:55,520 --> 04:17:58,239
smaller portion south of Lonear Road,

5597
04:17:58,239 --> 04:18:01,120
all consisting of five parcels and and

5598
04:18:01,120 --> 04:18:06,159
rideway totaling 149.31 acres. Uh the

5599
04:18:06,159 --> 04:18:08,560
current land uses you've you've already

5600
04:18:08,560 --> 04:18:11,040
seen um some of those. I'm sorry. This

5601
04:18:11,040 --> 04:18:13,680
is the specific area plan map. They've

5602
04:18:13,680 --> 04:18:16,080
already shown that a closer view of

5603
04:18:16,080 --> 04:18:17,600
that.

5604
04:18:17,600 --> 04:18:20,479
Um you can see the the designations

5605
04:18:20,479 --> 04:18:23,840
here. To the uh south is a large lot

5606
04:18:23,840 --> 04:18:26,800
single family homes Kenyon County uh

5607
04:18:26,800 --> 04:18:29,520
farm fields in Kenyon County as well as

5608
04:18:29,520 --> 04:18:33,920
the RS uh I think that says 8.5

5609
04:18:33,920 --> 04:18:36,880
uh designation for a subdivision. And

5610
04:18:36,880 --> 04:18:39,520
then uh

5611
04:18:39,520 --> 04:18:42,960
the uh that's the Sonata Point

5612
04:18:42,960 --> 04:18:44,880
subdivisions

5613
04:18:44,880 --> 04:18:46,800
uh that have been partially developed

5614
04:18:46,800 --> 04:18:50,800
out. It came in as Coronado Point and um

5615
04:18:50,800 --> 04:18:53,520
only partially developed but are under

5616
04:18:53,520 --> 04:18:56,399
consideration still for development.

5617
04:18:56,399 --> 04:19:00,080
Um again to the north the you can see

5618
04:19:00,080 --> 04:19:03,279
the county subdivisions up there and

5619
04:19:03,279 --> 04:19:06,880
some a land and then to the east of

5620
04:19:06,880 --> 04:19:10,159
course is um the ones that I've talked

5621
04:19:10,159 --> 04:19:12,800
about but also a church and some farm

5622
04:19:12,800 --> 04:19:17,189
fields in King County.

5623
04:19:17,199 --> 04:19:19,840
So, I wanted to use this to just

5624
04:19:19,840 --> 04:19:23,520
highlight um some of the uh approvals

5625
04:19:23,520 --> 04:19:27,359
that we've had over the last year. Um

5626
04:19:27,359 --> 04:19:29,840
you can see uh three different

5627
04:19:29,840 --> 04:19:31,680
residential subdivisions and then one

5628
04:19:31,680 --> 04:19:33,760
commercial subdivision out in that that

5629
04:19:33,760 --> 04:19:35,840
area. So, those blue boxes are those

5630
04:19:35,840 --> 04:19:37,680
that have been approved in the past

5631
04:19:37,680 --> 04:19:40,880
year. Um and then on the right hand side

5632
04:19:40,880 --> 04:19:43,120
is is their proposal for how they're

5633
04:19:43,120 --> 04:19:45,760
zoning this. If you go back another

5634
04:19:45,760 --> 04:19:49,199
basically another year, you've got uh 29

5635
04:19:49,199 --> 04:19:52,640
single family homes is Sunnyale North uh

5636
04:19:52,640 --> 04:19:55,199
num or excuse me, Sunnyale number six

5637
04:19:55,199 --> 04:19:58,159
and that is just south of Carter Road

5638
04:19:58,159 --> 04:20:01,920
and then Wagers Dair which is 43 single

5639
04:20:01,920 --> 04:20:04,800
family homes and approximately 34 of a

5640
04:20:04,800 --> 04:20:08,000
mile north of Carter Road. So, in total,

5641
04:20:08,000 --> 04:20:10,960
I think there was likeund I want to say

5642
04:20:10,960 --> 04:20:12,880
31

5643
04:20:12,880 --> 04:20:16,000
uh units of everything that's been

5644
04:20:16,000 --> 04:20:19,199
approved in the last couple of years

5645
04:20:19,199 --> 04:20:23,510
for this area.

5646
04:20:23,520 --> 04:20:25,760
Uh utilities, you can see those there.

5647
04:20:25,760 --> 04:20:27,279
You saw that in the packet. I'm not

5648
04:20:27,279 --> 04:20:29,359
going to spend a lot of time here, but

5649
04:20:29,359 --> 04:20:32,000
that but oh, one last thing is the just

5650
04:20:32,000 --> 04:20:34,319
the last comment there. City utility

5651
04:20:34,319 --> 04:20:36,560
systems have adequate capacity. to serve

5652
04:20:36,560 --> 04:20:38,880
this property and the project will be

5653
04:20:38,880 --> 04:20:40,720
required to construct utilities to and

5654
04:20:40,720 --> 04:20:45,279
through the property as as all are.

5655
04:20:45,279 --> 04:20:48,239
Okay. So um I wanted to highlight this

5656
04:20:48,239 --> 04:20:51,600
one uh because in our master plan

5657
04:20:51,600 --> 04:20:54,159
community language in our comprehensive

5658
04:20:54,159 --> 04:20:57,840
plan and in the master or in the uh

5659
04:20:57,840 --> 04:21:00,000
specific area plan they highlight the

5660
04:21:00,000 --> 04:21:04,239
need to create some uh connectivity

5661
04:21:04,239 --> 04:21:08,560
in within a master plan community. Um so

5662
04:21:08,560 --> 04:21:10,159
you can see that on the right how

5663
04:21:10,159 --> 04:21:12,319
they're proposing to do that. They've

5664
04:21:12,319 --> 04:21:16,399
got a uh proposed east west route and a

5665
04:21:16,399 --> 04:21:20,080
north south route with um on the far

5666
04:21:20,080 --> 04:21:24,960
east is a collector roadway unnamed um

5667
04:21:24,960 --> 04:21:29,920
but that is a potential there and I I

5668
04:21:29,920 --> 04:21:34,479
have some recommendations on that in the conditions. I'll talk about that.

5669
04:21:34,479 --> 04:21:36,720
But again, you can see all those

5670
04:21:36,720 --> 04:21:39,120
different connections and the different

5671
04:21:39,120 --> 04:21:42,800
um amenities that they're providing.

5672
04:21:42,800 --> 04:21:45,199
Okay, so annexation application

5673
04:21:45,199 --> 04:21:47,760
criteria. This is we just analyze this

5674
04:21:47,760 --> 04:21:49,840
when it comes in to make sure that it

5675
04:21:49,840 --> 04:21:52,560
meets the state code. Um, again, you

5676
04:21:52,560 --> 04:21:54,560
have lots of flexibility since this is a

5677
04:21:54,560 --> 04:21:56,720
legislative action to approve or deny an

5678
04:21:56,720 --> 04:21:58,319
annexation.

5679
04:21:58,319 --> 04:22:02,800
But zoning takes a little more work. Um,

5680
04:22:02,800 --> 04:22:06,000
you have to meet these criteria. And

5681
04:22:06,000 --> 04:22:10,000
this is what you would use if if you

5682
04:22:10,000 --> 04:22:13,279
wanted to annex um and approve the

5683
04:22:13,279 --> 04:22:15,520
zoning, you would use these criteria and

5684
04:22:15,520 --> 04:22:17,600
they have to be met in order to approve

5685
04:22:17,600 --> 04:22:20,239
this project.

5686
04:22:20,239 --> 04:22:23,600
Um so correspondence we've received. So

5687
04:22:23,600 --> 04:22:27,439
NPA uh engineering division uh I've

5688
04:22:27,439 --> 04:22:30,159
asked Daniel to speak about this and

5689
04:22:30,159 --> 04:22:39,590
then um and then I'll jump back up.

5690
04:22:39,600 --> 04:22:41,760
So Rodney asked me to speak a little bit

5691
04:22:41,760 --> 04:22:45,920
about um our comments and um more

5692
04:22:45,920 --> 04:22:48,399
specifically regarding the uh traffic

5693
04:22:48,399 --> 04:22:53,040
analysis. So our our codes require uh

5694
04:22:53,040 --> 04:22:55,520
traffic impact studies to be completed

5695
04:22:55,520 --> 04:22:58,239
at the time of a preliminary plat or a

5696
04:22:58,239 --> 04:23:00,000
building permit that meets certain

5697
04:23:00,000 --> 04:23:03,279
criterias. um they do not require that

5698
04:23:03,279 --> 04:23:05,920
at the time of a master plan community.

5699
04:23:05,920 --> 04:23:10,239
Um mainly um because a master plan

5700
04:23:10,239 --> 04:23:13,199
community without a preliminary plat is

5701
04:23:13,199 --> 04:23:15,120
more of the bubble diagram that we've

5702
04:23:15,120 --> 04:23:16,800
been looking at. It doesn't have the

5703
04:23:16,800 --> 04:23:19,359
specific lot counts. It doesn't have the

5704
04:23:19,359 --> 04:23:21,439
level of information that would be

5705
04:23:21,439 --> 04:23:23,920
typically needed to complete a full

5706
04:23:23,920 --> 04:23:27,760
traffic impact study. um they have um

5707
04:23:27,760 --> 04:23:29,840
had their traffic engineer put together

5708
04:23:29,840 --> 04:23:32,960
a tech tech memo on the traffic for

5709
04:23:32,960 --> 04:23:35,439
that. We received that uh middle of last

5710
04:23:35,439 --> 04:23:38,640
week. Um I've done um a cursory review

5711
04:23:38,640 --> 04:23:42,560
of it. It it scopes out the required

5712
04:23:42,560 --> 04:23:44,479
things that will be studied when the

5713
04:23:44,479 --> 04:23:46,399
they do come forward with a preliminary

5714
04:23:46,399 --> 04:23:52,159
plat as well as looking at um the um

5715
04:23:52,159 --> 04:23:55,439
some general stuff for for that. Um, we

5716
04:23:55,439 --> 04:23:58,800
will have a more complete analysis of

5717
04:23:58,800 --> 04:24:01,359
that when we make it to city council.

5718
04:24:01,359 --> 04:24:03,439
Uh, but the general look that I've done

5719
04:24:03,439 --> 04:24:06,560
at this point, um, it does appear to

5720
04:24:06,560 --> 04:24:08,640
meet the same intent that we've used

5721
04:24:08,640 --> 04:24:10,560
when we've looked at other master plan

5722
04:24:10,560 --> 04:24:14,399
communities to provide that, um, general

5723
04:24:14,399 --> 04:24:16,319
guidance of how we will look at the

5724
04:24:16,319 --> 04:24:18,560
traffic um, when they do come forward

5725
04:24:18,560 --> 04:24:21,680
with preliminary plat. Um, and so if

5726
04:24:21,680 --> 04:24:23,439
there are any questions on that, I'll be

5727
04:24:23,439 --> 04:24:29,990
happy to answer that.

5728
04:24:30,000 --> 04:24:32,239
» Thank you, Daniel. Uh, Nampa Fire

5729
04:24:32,239 --> 04:24:34,239
District, I just I I think the bolded

5730
04:24:34,239 --> 04:24:36,239
section is kind of speaks for itself.

5731
04:24:36,239 --> 04:24:38,239
Approximate response time is four

5732
04:24:38,239 --> 04:24:42,319
minutes, well under what their goal is.

5733
04:24:42,319 --> 04:24:46,080
Um, and then, uh, parks didn't they did

5734
04:24:46,080 --> 04:24:50,720
respond. Um it does comply I mean they

5735
04:24:50,720 --> 04:24:52,800
are going to have to comply with the

5736
04:24:52,800 --> 04:24:55,120
park's requirements for the pathway as

5737
04:24:55,120 --> 04:24:57,840
you've already heard but um we wanted a

5738
04:24:57,840 --> 04:24:59,680
little more detail from them because of

5739
04:24:59,680 --> 04:25:02,239
the proximity of Midway Park and so I've

5740
04:25:02,239 --> 04:25:05,279
asked Mark Stoyer uh senior director of

5741
04:25:05,279 --> 04:25:07,359
development services to speak about his

5742
04:25:07,359 --> 04:25:11,750
interaction with the parks department.

5743
04:25:11,760 --> 04:25:13,439
» Uh good evening uh chair and

5744
04:25:13,439 --> 04:25:15,439
commissioner. So, want to provide some

5745
04:25:15,439 --> 04:25:18,640
more details on on a connection with uh

5746
04:25:18,640 --> 04:25:20,560
with the Nampa facility, I mean rather

5747
04:25:20,560 --> 04:25:22,479
with the parks facility, and that is

5748
04:25:22,479 --> 04:25:26,000
Midway Park. Um, as you can see on the

5749
04:25:26,000 --> 04:25:28,560
map before you uh kind of along Midway

5750
04:25:28,560 --> 04:25:31,680
right there, that northwest corner uh is

5751
04:25:31,680 --> 04:25:34,000
Caddy Corner to the southeast corner of

5752
04:25:34,000 --> 04:25:36,880
Midway Park. Uh you might remember that

5753
04:25:36,880 --> 04:25:40,000
this property was purchased by the city

5754
04:25:40,000 --> 04:25:42,319
u within the unincorporated area but has

5755
04:25:42,319 --> 04:25:44,479
not been able to be annexed by the city

5756
04:25:44,479 --> 04:25:46,640
because there's no contiguous uh

5757
04:25:46,640 --> 04:25:49,279
pathway. Uh if this development was

5758
04:25:49,279 --> 04:25:51,199
approved, there would be a pathway

5759
04:25:51,199 --> 04:25:52,960
because of that caddy corner right there

5760
04:25:52,960 --> 04:25:55,199
that connects to Midway Park and the

5761
04:25:55,199 --> 04:25:58,159
city would be able to annex that to

5762
04:25:58,159 --> 04:26:00,319
within the city limits. Uh some of the

5763
04:26:00,319 --> 04:26:03,279
benefits in doing that are that to this

5764
04:26:03,279 --> 04:26:05,520
point any improvements at Midway Park

5765
04:26:05,520 --> 04:26:07,439
have been under the county permitting

5766
04:26:07,439 --> 04:26:10,239
process. And so for example, the parks

5767
04:26:10,239 --> 04:26:11,920
department wanted to put in some parking

5768
04:26:11,920 --> 04:26:14,000
lot lighting and maybe some various ball

5769
04:26:14,000 --> 04:26:16,319
field lighting also as well, but county

5770
04:26:16,319 --> 04:26:18,319
requirements disallowed us from doing

5771
04:26:18,319 --> 04:26:20,319
that. If it was under the city permit

5772
04:26:20,319 --> 04:26:22,159
process, they would be able to put in

5773
04:26:22,159 --> 04:26:23,920
that lighting to increase safety in the

5774
04:26:23,920 --> 04:26:26,000
parking lot and also for people to

5775
04:26:26,000 --> 04:26:27,439
utilize those ball fields during

5776
04:26:27,439 --> 04:26:31,199
nighttime hours. Uh, another benefit to

5777
04:26:31,199 --> 04:26:33,120
being under the city process, you might

5778
04:26:33,120 --> 04:26:35,520
know that on midway there is a concrete

5779
04:26:35,520 --> 04:26:37,760
barrier there. So that prevents lefthand

5780
04:26:37,760 --> 04:26:40,319
turns into the park and left-hand turns

5781
04:26:40,319 --> 04:26:42,640
out. The city would not require that

5782
04:26:42,640 --> 04:26:44,560
barrier to be there. So ingress and

5783
04:26:44,560 --> 04:26:47,199
egress would be uh would be enhanced

5784
04:26:47,199 --> 04:26:49,920
there at that location. Uh, another

5785
04:26:49,920 --> 04:26:52,399
benefit, as uh, Rodney explained, water

5786
04:26:52,399 --> 04:26:54,960
and sewer would be extended down uh,

5787
04:26:54,960 --> 04:26:57,120
down Midway and that would also provide

5788
04:26:57,120 --> 04:26:59,199
a connection for the park to connect

5789
04:26:59,199 --> 04:27:02,080
their sewer and and water to that system

5790
04:27:02,080 --> 04:27:04,399
also as well. Currently, the park

5791
04:27:04,399 --> 04:27:06,960
utilizes a under capacity septic system.

5792
04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:09,040
So, they're pumping that every 3 to four

5793
04:27:09,040 --> 04:27:11,199
months and they get their water from a

5794
04:27:11,199 --> 04:27:13,279
temporary lease of a water well that's

5795
04:27:13,279 --> 04:27:15,199
on the property. So, that would be

5796
04:27:15,199 --> 04:27:17,279
another benefit if this development was

5797
04:27:17,279 --> 04:27:20,000
approved. Uh lastly, police department

5798
04:27:20,000 --> 04:27:22,319
would be able to respond to calls for

5799
04:27:22,319 --> 04:27:24,080
enforcement at the park. Right now, it's

5800
04:27:24,080 --> 04:27:26,560
under the county and this kind of vague

5801
04:27:26,560 --> 04:27:28,479
on exactly who can respond to calls

5802
04:27:28,479 --> 04:27:30,399
there at that site. So, Nampa would be

5803
04:27:30,399 --> 04:27:32,800
able to provide that enforcement since

5804
04:27:32,800 --> 04:27:35,680
it's within the city limits.

5805
04:27:35,680 --> 04:27:37,840
>> Mr. Chair, can I ask a quick question to

5806
04:27:37,840 --> 04:27:39,760
Mark? Would that be automatically

5807
04:27:39,760 --> 04:27:42,960
annexed in as soon as it touches

5808
04:27:42,960 --> 04:27:43,760
>> uh chair and commission?

5809
04:27:43,760 --> 04:27:44,560
>> Would you have to go through that

5810
04:27:44,560 --> 04:27:46,479
annexation process? Yes, we would have

5811
04:27:46,479 --> 04:27:48,880
to go through the annexation process for

5812
04:27:48,880 --> 04:27:50,880
the park specifically. It's not part of

5813
04:27:50,880 --> 04:27:52,080
this.

5814
04:27:52,080 --> 04:27:54,080
>> So, it's not it was hasn't been future

5815
04:27:54,080 --> 04:27:55,120
annexed.

5816
04:27:55,120 --> 04:27:56,399
>> No.

5817
04:27:56,399 --> 04:28:02,309
>> Okay.

5818
04:28:02,319 --> 04:28:04,319
» All right. So then if we move into our

5819
04:28:04,319 --> 04:28:06,479
public comments, again just a reminder,

5820
04:28:06,479 --> 04:28:09,040
we did receive some additional comments

5821
04:28:09,040 --> 04:28:11,600
that were provided to you um that

5822
04:28:11,600 --> 04:28:13,520
weren't didn't make the staff packet,

5823
04:28:13,520 --> 04:28:16,880
but um these were the ones that did. So

5824
04:28:16,880 --> 04:28:20,000
Maria Lyman um opposed to apartments due

5825
04:28:20,000 --> 04:28:24,399
to existing uh traffic in the area. Um

5826
04:28:24,399 --> 04:28:28,479
Jamie Vander, I'm sorry. I'm gonna move

5827
04:28:28,479 --> 04:28:30,560
my screen so I can see what I'm looking

5828
04:28:30,560 --> 04:28:34,399
at. There we go. Um Jamie Vanderhoff,

5829
04:28:34,399 --> 04:28:37,520
I'm sorry about that. Uh was a resident

5830
04:28:37,520 --> 04:28:39,760
nearby was opposed due to the following

5831
04:28:39,760 --> 04:28:42,239
concerns. The density is too high. It

5832
04:28:42,239 --> 04:28:44,080
will provide large-scale commercial that

5833
04:28:44,080 --> 04:28:46,000
is not justified by the market and will

5834
04:28:46,000 --> 04:28:47,920
make existing commercial no longer

5835
04:28:47,920 --> 04:28:50,479
viable. Uh the development will be

5836
04:28:50,479 --> 04:28:52,800
incompatible with existing large acre

5837
04:28:52,800 --> 04:28:55,520
rural residences, existing and added

5838
04:28:55,520 --> 04:28:57,600
traffic due to cutthrough trips to

5839
04:28:57,600 --> 04:29:03,120
bypass Carter Road. And then Tony Engel,

5840
04:29:03,120 --> 04:29:05,199
I hope that's right. Opposed because of

5841
04:29:05,199 --> 04:29:07,279
the high number of units impacting

5842
04:29:07,279 --> 04:29:09,359
quality of life, traffic, utilities,

5843
04:29:09,359 --> 04:29:11,760
noise, and cost of services. Again,

5844
04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:14,560
they're their specific uh language that

5845
04:29:14,560 --> 04:29:16,239
they wrote is in your packet. This is

5846
04:29:16,239 --> 04:29:19,520
just a real quick summary. Um Tasha

5847
04:29:19,520 --> 04:29:22,319
Sweeney uh opposed because of the

5848
04:29:22,319 --> 04:29:24,000
existing traffic congestion and

5849
04:29:24,000 --> 04:29:26,159
concerns, infrastructure is not in place

5850
04:29:26,159 --> 04:29:39,910
to handle more growth.

5851
04:29:39,920 --> 04:29:42,800
Go. Uh Shannon Jones was another

5852
04:29:42,800 --> 04:29:46,399
resident nearby opposed um for loss of

5853
04:29:46,399 --> 04:29:49,040
rural lifestyle, traffic congestion and

5854
04:29:49,040 --> 04:29:51,680
lack of capacity on roadways, loss of

5855
04:29:51,680 --> 04:29:54,239
farmland, dwindling water supply, belief

5856
04:29:54,239 --> 04:29:56,319
that residents are overt taxed and

5857
04:29:56,319 --> 04:29:58,560
developers pay nothing. assumption of

5858
04:29:58,560 --> 04:30:01,520
elected and appointed officials greed.

5859
04:30:01,520 --> 04:30:05,359
Uh Cheryl Hickley uh opposed due to the

5860
04:30:05,359 --> 04:30:08,399
to traffic congestion claimed that

5861
04:30:08,399 --> 04:30:12,159
existing and future uh

5862
04:30:12,159 --> 04:30:16,000
traffic concerns weren't considered uh

5863
04:30:16,000 --> 04:30:18,319
and all the approvals of developments

5864
04:30:18,319 --> 04:30:21,680
along Carter Road weren't considered. Um

5865
04:30:21,680 --> 04:30:25,040
density seems too high for the area. uh

5866
04:30:25,040 --> 04:30:26,960
it will provide large-scale commercial

5867
04:30:26,960 --> 04:30:29,279
that is not justified by the market and

5868
04:30:29,279 --> 04:30:31,120
then loss of rural character of the

5869
04:30:31,120 --> 04:30:33,120
area. And then just other general

5870
04:30:33,120 --> 04:30:35,359
concerns from comments that I received

5871
04:30:35,359 --> 04:30:37,199
the need to preserve farmland, the

5872
04:30:37,199 --> 04:30:39,279
desire to maintain a rural field with

5873
04:30:39,279 --> 04:30:42,399
large lot single family residential. Uh

5874
04:30:42,399 --> 04:30:44,720
belief that the adopted plans don't

5875
04:30:44,720 --> 04:30:46,640
address the desires of those who live

5876
04:30:46,640 --> 04:30:49,120
nearby and then belief that utilities

5877
04:30:49,120 --> 04:30:51,600
can support the can't support the new

5878
04:30:51,600 --> 04:30:53,520
development.

5879
04:30:53,520 --> 04:30:55,439
Uh again, we did receive late comments

5880
04:30:55,439 --> 04:30:57,279
that were uploaded to the project record

5881
04:30:57,279 --> 04:31:00,239
for your review.

5882
04:31:00,239 --> 04:31:04,640
And then um staff analysis. So

5883
04:31:04,640 --> 04:31:07,990
um

5884
04:31:08,000 --> 04:31:13,040
it so much of what comments seem to

5885
04:31:13,040 --> 04:31:17,040
imply or have concerns about are because

5886
04:31:17,040 --> 04:31:20,159
there's not the detail yet that we would

5887
04:31:20,159 --> 04:31:23,840
get at a preliminary plat. So, I I just

5888
04:31:23,840 --> 04:31:28,950
want to emphasize that um

5889
04:31:28,960 --> 04:31:32,560
the this proposal that they gave you,

5890
04:31:32,560 --> 04:31:36,720
this one here, um show several qualified

5891
04:31:36,720 --> 04:31:39,600
open space amenities, but those aren't

5892
04:31:39,600 --> 04:31:42,159
going to be really all of the amenities

5893
04:31:42,159 --> 04:31:45,760
or all of the open space um analysis

5894
04:31:45,760 --> 04:31:48,319
until we get to the plat stage. So, I

5895
04:31:48,319 --> 04:31:50,479
just want to make sure that's clear. Um

5896
04:31:50,479 --> 04:31:52,399
in the northwest area they show open

5897
04:31:52,399 --> 04:31:54,800
grassy areas, trees, bike friendly

5898
04:31:54,800 --> 04:31:57,600
trails and kids play zone. Uh the

5899
04:31:57,600 --> 04:31:59,840
northeast area shows open grassy areas,

5900
04:31:59,840 --> 04:32:03,279
tree pedestrian paths and activity play,

5901
04:32:03,279 --> 04:32:06,640
a sports court. Uh and then southeast

5902
04:32:06,640 --> 04:32:09,199
area shows open grassy areas, trees, an

5903
04:32:09,199 --> 04:32:11,760
interactive play area for kids and

5904
04:32:11,760 --> 04:32:13,920
sports courts, two pickle ball courts

5905
04:32:13,920 --> 04:32:16,880
and a basketball court. And then they

5906
04:32:16,880 --> 04:32:19,760
don't show anything for multifamily, but

5907
04:32:19,760 --> 04:32:21,920
that is a requirement that they will

5908
04:32:21,920 --> 04:32:24,239
need to address when they go and develop

5909
04:32:24,239 --> 04:32:27,120
that.

5910
04:32:27,120 --> 04:32:29,199
Again, that's the concept conceptual

5911
04:32:29,199 --> 04:32:33,279
site plan. Uh a traffic impact study.

5912
04:32:33,279 --> 04:32:35,279
The last thing, just the note at the

5913
04:32:35,279 --> 04:32:37,760
bottom there is my thoughts here.

5914
04:32:37,760 --> 04:32:39,680
Traffic impact studies evaluate the

5915
04:32:39,680 --> 04:32:41,279
existing traffic as well as the

5916
04:32:41,279 --> 04:32:43,359
estimated traffic based on all

5917
04:32:43,359 --> 04:32:46,960
jurisdictional land uses use approvals.

5918
04:32:46,960 --> 04:32:49,199
Traffic mitigation and fees are assessed

5919
04:32:49,199 --> 04:32:50,800
to address the impact of the new

5920
04:32:50,800 --> 04:32:53,359
development on the system to maintain a

5921
04:32:53,359 --> 04:32:56,239
council adopted level of service. So

5922
04:32:56,239 --> 04:32:58,319
again, traffic impact studies are not

5923
04:32:58,319 --> 04:33:00,399
necessarily an opportunity for you to

5924
04:33:00,399 --> 04:33:03,359
say or for any elected official or

5925
04:33:03,359 --> 04:33:06,959
appointed official to say we don't agree

5926
04:33:06,959 --> 04:33:10,320
with the engineering that was done to

5927
04:33:10,320 --> 04:33:12,959
produce this traffic impact study.

5928
04:33:12,959 --> 04:33:15,520
Really, that's in the way that a traffic

5929
04:33:15,520 --> 04:33:18,000
impact study is set up from the very

5930
04:33:18,000 --> 04:33:22,561
start. So if you don't agree with the

5931
04:33:22,561 --> 04:33:24,799
traffic impact study, that's different

5932
04:33:24,799 --> 04:33:27,439
than what's the the results of that

5933
04:33:27,439 --> 04:33:30,240
traffic impact study you're saying. Um

5934
04:33:30,240 --> 04:33:38,080
so at some point we have to say well it may feel really difficult to put

5935
04:33:38,080 --> 04:33:41,039
additional traffic onto these roadways.

5936
04:33:41,039 --> 04:33:44,799
But at some point we have to step back

5937
04:33:44,799 --> 04:33:48,240
and say, do can we trust the engineering

5938
04:33:48,240 --> 04:33:51,359
that's done to produce these traffic

5939
04:33:51,359 --> 04:33:53,760
impact studies? And I know that's

5940
04:33:53,760 --> 04:33:56,959
challenging. Um, but

5941
04:33:56,959 --> 04:34:00,240
that's kind of the the situation we're

5942
04:34:00,240 --> 04:34:06,639
in. um we go through those processes and have a result that comes back to you

5943
04:34:06,639 --> 04:34:09,920
for for your consideration, but they

5944
04:34:09,920 --> 04:34:13,520
will be applied regardless of whether

5945
04:34:13,520 --> 04:34:15,680
you analyze these or not. These

5946
04:34:15,680 --> 04:34:18,480
conditions will be applied to uh any

5947
04:34:18,480 --> 04:34:21,439
project.

5948
04:34:21,439 --> 04:34:25,039
Um okay, so criteria for evaluating a

5949
04:34:25,039 --> 04:34:27,680
community, a master plan community,

5950
04:34:27,680 --> 04:34:30,160
these are all of them. Um there's it's

5951
04:34:30,160 --> 04:34:32,000
pretty extensive.

5952
04:34:32,000 --> 04:34:35,920
Um you want to look in more detail than

5953
04:34:35,920 --> 04:34:38,400
just a a typical subdivision. You want

5954
04:34:38,400 --> 04:34:41,520
to see how it feels in a larger scale.

5955
04:34:41,520 --> 04:34:44,160
Is it connected? Is it providing the

5956
04:34:44,160 --> 04:34:46,400
appropriate landscaping, a theme or

5957
04:34:46,400 --> 04:34:49,760
character? Um is it providing a mix of

5958
04:34:49,760 --> 04:34:51,840
land uses?

5959
04:34:51,840 --> 04:34:56,080
Um so I think you can look at that

5960
04:34:56,080 --> 04:34:58,080
yourself. But those were all the things

5961
04:34:58,080 --> 04:35:00,561
that I found in code.

5962
04:35:00,561 --> 04:35:04,240
Um again this is in code sorry that was

5963
04:35:04,240 --> 04:35:06,400
in our our uh comprehensive plan and

5964
04:35:06,400 --> 04:35:09,760
this is in code and very similar um up

5965
04:35:09,760 --> 04:35:12,000
to 30% of the area may be zoned a

5966
04:35:12,000 --> 04:35:14,561
district not permitted by the the future

5967
04:35:14,561 --> 04:35:17,760
land use map. Um in addition they've

5968
04:35:17,760 --> 04:35:20,000
already uh talked about this. They are

5969
04:35:20,000 --> 04:35:24,320
requesting a 20% uh increase in density.

5970
04:35:24,320 --> 04:35:27,760
Um and that requires approval from uh

5971
04:35:27,760 --> 04:35:30,561
city council and uh you can recommend

5972
04:35:30,561 --> 04:35:34,080
that or or recommend denial of that.

5973
04:35:34,080 --> 04:35:38,719
Um at least 15% of qualified open space

5974
04:35:38,719 --> 04:35:40,959
is required. That's pretty standard for

5975
04:35:40,959 --> 04:35:43,920
any commercial or any uh development.

5976
04:35:43,920 --> 04:35:45,840
And then uh it has to be greater than

5977
04:35:45,840 --> 04:35:48,480
50% commercial

5978
04:35:48,480 --> 04:35:52,080
uh in the uh CMU designation on the comp

5979
04:35:52,080 --> 04:35:55,680
plan future land use map and at least 5%

5980
04:35:55,680 --> 04:35:59,600
as a high density residential or light

5981
04:35:59,600 --> 04:36:02,789
industrial.

5982
04:36:02,799 --> 04:36:04,561
Um, the applicant is requesting an

5983
04:36:04,561 --> 04:36:07,439
increased density from the limit of 12

5984
04:36:07,439 --> 04:36:14,561
dwelling units per acre placed on the CMU area or the community mixeduse

5985
04:36:14,561 --> 04:36:16,400
area in the southwest Nampa specific

5986
04:36:16,400 --> 04:36:19,680
area plan. So, the comprehensive plan

5987
04:36:19,680 --> 04:36:23,600
says CMU and that doesn't have a density

5988
04:36:23,600 --> 04:36:28,160
max, but the the Southwest Nampa

5989
04:36:28,160 --> 04:36:30,959
specific area plan limits that density

5990
04:36:30,959 --> 04:36:33,760
and provides a max. So, that's what

5991
04:36:33,760 --> 04:36:37,119
they're asking for is a an extension of

5992
04:36:37,119 --> 04:36:41,920
20% above what the specific area plan uh

5993
04:36:41,920 --> 04:36:45,359
requires or max the max limit of the

5994
04:36:45,359 --> 04:36:49,269
density.

5995
04:36:49,279 --> 04:36:52,799
um staff analysis. So, here's some city

5996
04:36:52,799 --> 04:36:55,760
boundaries. Um you can't see it maybe

5997
04:36:55,760 --> 04:36:58,160
all that well, but Caldwell is all in

5998
04:36:58,160 --> 04:37:01,600
gray and ours is just the colored areas.

5999
04:37:01,600 --> 04:37:03,680
And I wanted to point out some specific

6000
04:37:03,680 --> 04:37:06,400
desk destinations in this area. Midway

6001
04:37:06,400 --> 04:37:09,760
Park, of course, uh no specific order

6002
04:37:09,760 --> 04:37:12,719
here. uh commercial. A lot of people

6003
04:37:12,719 --> 04:37:15,279
travel to the this commercial area and

6004
04:37:15,279 --> 04:37:18,400
to get on to I 84.

6005
04:37:18,400 --> 04:37:20,799
Uh you've got Lake LOL that people are

6006
04:37:20,799 --> 04:37:22,639
traveling to.

6007
04:37:22,639 --> 04:37:25,039
Uh this is the site of the new LDS

6008
04:37:25,039 --> 04:37:27,760
temple. So that's kind of out in this

6009
04:37:27,760 --> 04:37:31,349
area.

6010
04:37:31,359 --> 04:37:35,199
And um then if

6011
04:37:35,199 --> 04:37:37,039
my point here is that if the priority

6012
04:37:37,039 --> 04:37:39,520
goal is to preserve farmland in an area

6013
04:37:39,520 --> 04:37:41,439
then a no growth approach could

6014
04:37:41,439 --> 04:37:44,400
accomplish that goal for a while unless

6015
04:37:44,400 --> 04:37:46,400
other communities in the county approve

6016
04:37:46,400 --> 04:37:48,561
development in the area. So if that's

6017
04:37:48,561 --> 04:37:52,080
the goal to preserve farmland, you take

6018
04:37:52,080 --> 04:37:55,600
a no growth policy. uh approving large

6019
04:37:55,600 --> 04:37:58,000
lot single family residential consumes

6020
04:37:58,000 --> 04:38:00,959
more farmland per unit than a mixed

6021
04:38:00,959 --> 04:38:04,480
density does. So this approach does not

6022
04:38:04,480 --> 04:38:07,039
preserve farmland. There was some a

6023
04:38:07,039 --> 04:38:08,719
little bit of inconsistency in some of

6024
04:38:08,719 --> 04:38:11,760
the comments that I read just saying hey

6025
04:38:11,760 --> 04:38:13,840
we want to preserve farmland we should

6026
04:38:13,840 --> 04:38:17,439
approve densities of lower than three

6027
04:38:17,439 --> 04:38:21,920
units per acre. Well, that those do two

6028
04:38:21,920 --> 04:38:26,230
opposite things.

6029
04:38:26,240 --> 04:38:30,639
And here's the Caldwell zoning. Um I I

6030
04:38:30,639 --> 04:38:33,119
put on the right here I just a a brief

6031
04:38:33,119 --> 04:38:35,520
analysis of their zoning code found that

6032
04:38:35,520 --> 04:38:39,039
the RS7 zone which appears to be what uh

6033
04:38:39,039 --> 04:38:40,799
we're butdding up against here in this

6034
04:38:40,799 --> 04:38:45,680
area um is similar to our RS7 or excuse

6035
04:38:45,680 --> 04:38:50,000
me their R1 similar to our RS7. However,

6036
04:38:50,000 --> 04:38:53,039
they allow duplexes and town houses in

6037
04:38:53,039 --> 04:38:59,590
the RS7 zone, which we don't.

6038
04:38:59,600 --> 04:39:02,561
So, the last part of this is if the

6039
04:39:02,561 --> 04:39:04,639
priority goal is to maintain a rural

6040
04:39:04,639 --> 04:39:06,561
feel, then a city should plan for

6041
04:39:06,561 --> 04:39:09,520
density transitioning and consider the

6042
04:39:09,520 --> 04:39:11,680
market demand and need for each type of

6043
04:39:11,680 --> 04:39:13,680
development. I've drawn some circles

6044
04:39:13,680 --> 04:39:16,000
around these just to try to give you

6045
04:39:16,000 --> 04:39:18,959
that feel. So, you start out with pretty

6046
04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:22,719
dense um commercial and and higher

6047
04:39:22,719 --> 04:39:25,039
density residential. As you move away,

6048
04:39:25,039 --> 04:39:28,080
you get to five to eight dwelling units

6049
04:39:28,080 --> 04:39:30,959
per acre. And then beyond that, it's

6050
04:39:30,959 --> 04:39:34,639
potentially eight uh or excuse me, um

6051
04:39:34,639 --> 04:39:38,560
2.5 to five dwelling units per acre. And

6052
04:39:38,560 --> 04:39:40,320
then you get beyond that and you're

6053
04:39:40,320 --> 04:39:42,798
going to one to 2.5 dwelling units per

6054
04:39:42,798 --> 04:39:45,360
acre. And then beyond that is even one

6055
04:39:45,360 --> 04:39:48,320
or less dwelling units per acre. And

6056
04:39:48,320 --> 04:39:50,718
that is what the specific area plan

6057
04:39:50,718 --> 04:39:53,760
tried to do is trying to make a

6058
04:39:53,760 --> 04:39:56,480
transition as we move away from these

6059
04:39:56,480 --> 04:39:59,760
core centers of commercial development.

6060
04:39:59,760 --> 04:40:02,958
try to transition away from those so

6061
04:40:02,958 --> 04:40:07,600
that we're not um negatively impacting

6062
04:40:07,600 --> 04:40:10,878
all new development in the future for uh

6063
04:40:10,878 --> 04:40:13,520
and creating incompatibility.

6064
04:40:13,520 --> 04:40:16,560
We also require that when you're up

6065
04:40:16,560 --> 04:40:19,680
against a residential development

6066
04:40:19,680 --> 04:40:22,798
um a subdivision that you have buffering

6067
04:40:22,798 --> 04:40:25,280
to that subdivision. So the lot sizes on

6068
04:40:25,280 --> 04:40:28,160
the the edges have to be larger. So

6069
04:40:28,160 --> 04:40:30,718
that's another way that we try to buffer

6070
04:40:30,718 --> 04:40:34,000
these developments, the new development

6071
04:40:34,000 --> 04:40:36,718
and the existing larger lot

6072
04:40:36,718 --> 04:40:39,990
subdivisions.

6073
04:40:40,000 --> 04:40:41,520
Here are the proposed conditions. These

6074
04:40:41,520 --> 04:40:44,320
are all right from the staff

6075
04:40:44,320 --> 04:40:46,320
communications from engineering. And

6076
04:40:46,320 --> 04:40:48,560
then I added this one. uh property

6077
04:40:48,560 --> 04:40:50,160
owners shall enter into the development

6078
04:40:50,160 --> 04:40:54,080
agreement with the city of Nampa and um

6079
04:40:54,080 --> 04:40:57,360
to en ensure compliance with the

6080
04:40:57,360 --> 04:41:00,560
proposed major roadway alignments. Um

6081
04:41:00,560 --> 04:41:02,798
major roadway

6082
04:41:02,798 --> 04:41:06,560
um being roadways being lined with

6083
04:41:06,560 --> 04:41:09,440
significant landscaping and trees. Uh

6084
04:41:09,440 --> 04:41:12,320
the depiction of the type of amenities

6085
04:41:12,320 --> 04:41:14,560
that they showed on their landscape

6086
04:41:14,560 --> 04:41:18,240
plan. uh the depiction of pathways. Uh

6087
04:41:18,240 --> 04:41:20,878
that was critical in the master plan

6088
04:41:20,878 --> 04:41:24,080
community um requirements and that the

6089
04:41:24,080 --> 04:41:26,718
owner applicant provide any multif

6090
04:41:26,718 --> 04:41:28,798
family or commercial design standard as

6091
04:41:28,798 --> 04:41:30,878
amenities that exceed the requirements

6092
04:41:30,878 --> 04:41:33,600
in city code for review by council as

6093
04:41:33,600 --> 04:41:35,040
part of the development agreement

6094
04:41:35,040 --> 04:41:37,840
approval. If there's anything beyond

6095
04:41:37,840 --> 04:41:41,440
what they are, you know, just following

6096
04:41:41,440 --> 04:41:44,878
uh city code, um then we need to address

6097
04:41:44,878 --> 04:41:47,200
those in here. And and the reason I say

6098
04:41:47,200 --> 04:41:48,718
that is because the master plan

6099
04:41:48,718 --> 04:41:50,798
community in the comp plan and in the

6100
04:41:50,798 --> 04:41:54,958
code calls for higher design standards.

6101
04:41:54,958 --> 04:41:57,280
So, we're just trying to see how how

6102
04:41:57,280 --> 04:42:00,080
does that play out with this project.

6103
04:42:00,080 --> 04:42:02,878
and then uh a phasing plan if there is

6104
04:42:02,878 --> 04:42:06,400
one and then uh the BC zoned property

6105
04:42:06,400 --> 04:42:09,120
shall not be developed as residential.

6106
04:42:09,120 --> 04:42:13,040
Um we have that ability to get a cup in

6107
04:42:13,040 --> 04:42:15,360
a BC zone and so we're saying because

6108
04:42:15,360 --> 04:42:17,920
it's in community mixed use and at least

6109
04:42:17,920 --> 04:42:20,878
50% have to be commercial, we don't want

6110
04:42:20,878 --> 04:42:23,600
that to be an option for them to go to a

6111
04:42:23,600 --> 04:42:27,990
cup for multifamily.

6112
04:42:28,000 --> 04:42:30,480
Here are the findings. Uh the and

6113
04:42:30,480 --> 04:42:32,480
conclusion is the proposed reszone is in

6114
04:42:32,480 --> 04:42:34,000
harmony with the city's compl

6115
04:42:34,000 --> 04:42:36,878
comprehensive plan um because the

6116
04:42:36,878 --> 04:42:38,718
development is located on the future

6117
04:42:38,718 --> 04:42:42,878
land use map designation of MDR and CMU

6118
04:42:42,878 --> 04:42:44,480
and the development also provides

6119
04:42:44,480 --> 04:42:46,718
essential housing options as described

6120
04:42:46,718 --> 04:42:50,000
in the plan. The proposed zoning dep

6121
04:42:50,000 --> 04:42:51,440
district districts comply with the

6122
04:42:51,440 --> 04:42:53,360
designation shown on the future land use

6123
04:42:53,360 --> 04:42:55,520
map with the allowance of variance

6124
04:42:55,520 --> 04:42:57,360
variations through a master plan

6125
04:42:57,360 --> 04:42:59,600
community as noted in the legend on the

6126
04:42:59,600 --> 04:43:01,600
map.

6127
04:43:01,600 --> 04:43:04,798
Uh then uh this is the second one. The

6128
04:43:04,798 --> 04:43:07,280
proposed land uses are in harmony with

6129
04:43:07,280 --> 04:43:08,958
the surrounding properties because of

6130
04:43:08,958 --> 04:43:11,840
conformance with the comp plan uh map

6131
04:43:11,840 --> 04:43:14,480
and text. The comp plan is the city's

6132
04:43:14,480 --> 04:43:16,240
established policy for creating

6133
04:43:16,240 --> 04:43:17,840
compatibility.

6134
04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:21,440
The existing land uses are agriculture,

6135
04:43:21,440 --> 04:43:23,280
residential, and church in the immediate

6136
04:43:23,280 --> 04:43:25,520
area. These are common neighbors and

6137
04:43:25,520 --> 04:43:27,440
growing communities. Though the proposed

6138
04:43:27,440 --> 04:43:29,680
land use doesn't match exactly the

6139
04:43:29,680 --> 04:43:31,920
existing land uses, the fact that there

6140
04:43:31,920 --> 04:43:34,240
is compatibility built into future plans

6141
04:43:34,240 --> 04:43:36,320
for the area and the fact that these

6142
04:43:36,320 --> 04:43:38,480
land uses are frequently neighbors in

6143
04:43:38,480 --> 04:43:40,160
growing community. The result is that

6144
04:43:40,160 --> 04:43:43,200
the proposal is found to be compatible.

6145
04:43:43,200 --> 04:43:45,120
>> Also education land in there, isn't

6146
04:43:45,120 --> 04:43:46,160
there?

6147
04:43:46,160 --> 04:43:46,958
>> Yeah.

6148
04:43:46,958 --> 04:43:48,886
>> that's correct.

6149
04:43:48,886 --> 04:43:50,560
[clears throat] And again, those those

6150
04:43:50,560 --> 04:43:53,440
properties are still owned by the school

6151
04:43:53,440 --> 04:43:55,680
district, but they don't have the money

6152
04:43:55,680 --> 04:43:57,600
to develop them.

6153
04:43:57,600 --> 04:43:59,920
>> I can't speak to when that would happen.

6154
04:43:59,920 --> 04:44:01,760
I just know that at some point in the

6155
04:44:01,760 --> 04:44:04,000
future, as this area develops out,

6156
04:44:04,000 --> 04:44:07,910
there's going to be that need.

6157
04:44:07,920 --> 04:44:10,160
And then the last uh the last one is the

6158
04:44:10,160 --> 04:44:12,000
proposed amendment is our or would be in

6159
04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:13,200
the interest of the public and

6160
04:44:13,200 --> 04:44:14,798
reasonably necessary because the

6161
04:44:14,798 --> 04:44:16,400
proposed project is in line with the

6162
04:44:16,400 --> 04:44:18,718
city's comp plan which outlines the

6163
04:44:18,718 --> 04:44:20,400
public interest for future development

6164
04:44:20,400 --> 04:44:22,080
that provides a diversity of housing

6165
04:44:22,080 --> 04:44:24,320
options and commercial services that are

6166
04:44:24,320 --> 04:44:26,560
needed for community to function. That

6167
04:44:26,560 --> 04:44:29,600
was a run-on sentence.

6168
04:44:29,600 --> 04:44:31,760
And there is a couple of motions for

6169
04:44:31,760 --> 04:44:33,520
your consideration and I'd be happy to

6170
04:44:33,520 --> 04:44:36,240
answer any questions.

6171
04:44:36,240 --> 04:44:38,718
Ronnie, when I was looking at the staff

6172
04:44:38,718 --> 04:44:41,040
report yesterday, I noticed how close

6173
04:44:41,040 --> 04:44:44,080
this application is to Midway Park and

6174
04:44:44,080 --> 04:44:46,638
Midway Park has got lots of open space.

6175
04:44:46,638 --> 04:44:49,120
Is can a developer say, "Hey, since it's

6176
04:44:49,120 --> 04:44:50,958
I'm right next door to this, can I do

6177
04:44:50,958 --> 04:44:54,000
this instead of open space or can I do

6178
04:44:54,000 --> 04:44:55,920
can they trade or bargain with you on

6179
04:44:55,920 --> 04:44:57,520
that?"

6180
04:44:57,520 --> 04:45:00,480
>> Um, so they a lot of times what we

6181
04:45:00,480 --> 04:45:03,280
encourage people to do is to contribute

6182
04:45:03,280 --> 04:45:06,958
land. Um, so that yeah, you don't have

6183
04:45:06,958 --> 04:45:08,958
to necessarily have it in your

6184
04:45:08,958 --> 04:45:11,040
subdivision, but if you dedicated

6185
04:45:11,040 --> 04:45:14,560
property to the city to expand a park or

6186
04:45:14,560 --> 04:45:16,798
something, then that's possible. But

6187
04:45:16,798 --> 04:45:19,680
just having a park nearby, you don't

6188
04:45:19,680 --> 04:45:21,680
have the ability to count that as your

6189
04:45:21,680 --> 04:45:23,440
>> What can they get though? What what can

6190
04:45:23,440 --> 04:45:25,680
they trade for?

6191
04:45:25,680 --> 04:45:28,240
>> They they can't. They They would have to

6192
04:45:28,240 --> 04:45:31,280
dedicate land for City Park,

6193
04:45:31,280 --> 04:45:33,280
>> but they get nothing in return for that.

6194
04:45:33,280 --> 04:45:35,280
they would count that towards their

6195
04:45:35,280 --> 04:45:37,040
qualified open space.

6196
04:45:37,040 --> 04:45:38,480
>> Maybe we could get them to build a high

6197
04:45:38,480 --> 04:45:39,440
school out there on that.

6198
04:45:39,440 --> 04:45:42,000
>> Yeah.

6199
04:45:42,000 --> 04:45:42,718
>> Thank you.

6200
04:45:42,718 --> 04:45:45,600
>> Yeah.

6201
04:45:45,600 --> 04:45:48,878
>> Thank you, Rod.

6202
04:45:48,878 --> 04:45:54,070
Have a signup sheet.

6203
04:45:54,080 --> 04:45:59,750
Calling Jim Carr.

6204
04:45:59,760 --> 04:46:00,958
» You think it's [clears throat] about

6205
04:46:00,958 --> 04:46:03,040
time? Morning. [laughter]

6206
04:46:03,040 --> 04:46:05,680
>> Wake up.

6207
04:46:05,680 --> 04:46:07,040
>> Close.

6208
04:46:07,040 --> 04:46:10,560
>> My name is Jim Mar and I live at 1471

6209
04:46:10,560 --> 04:46:14,160
Wooley Drive which is Office Smith,

6210
04:46:14,160 --> 04:46:17,520
which this proposal is just across the

6211
04:46:17,520 --> 04:46:21,040
road from us. I do oppose the proposal

6212
04:46:21,040 --> 04:46:23,600
pretty much what everybody uh wrote in

6213
04:46:23,600 --> 04:46:27,040
for, but my main concern and you

6214
04:46:27,040 --> 04:46:31,760
represent Corey Barton. Is that correct?

6215
04:46:31,760 --> 04:46:34,604
Okay. But Corey Barton's one has this.

6216
04:46:34,604 --> 04:46:36,000
[clears throat]

6217
04:46:36,000 --> 04:46:36,560
>> You got

6218
04:46:36,560 --> 04:46:38,320
>> Sir, please direct your comments.

6219
04:46:38,320 --> 04:46:40,798
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just got I just

6220
04:46:40,798 --> 04:46:44,240
got to straighten something up. So, this

6221
04:46:44,240 --> 04:46:47,920
piece of ground has a ditch running

6222
04:46:47,920 --> 04:46:50,480
right through them through it. It goes

6223
04:46:50,480 --> 04:46:52,638
from Lonear

6224
04:46:52,638 --> 04:46:56,240
north to Smith. That ditch is an

6225
04:46:56,240 --> 04:46:59,120
irrigation ditch that provides our

6226
04:46:59,120 --> 04:47:02,320
irrigation water into our subdivision,

6227
04:47:02,320 --> 04:47:04,400
which the last two years we've had

6228
04:47:04,400 --> 04:47:06,320
issues with trying to get water through

6229
04:47:06,320 --> 04:47:09,680
that because the farmer

6230
04:47:09,680 --> 04:47:12,320
has always in the past has kept that

6231
04:47:12,320 --> 04:47:14,320
ditch clean. This year that hasn't

6232
04:47:14,320 --> 04:47:15,920
happened.

6233
04:47:15,920 --> 04:47:17,920
My question,

6234
04:47:17,920 --> 04:47:19,520
I don't know if I can direct it to you

6235
04:47:19,520 --> 04:47:20,400
or to them.

6236
04:47:20,400 --> 04:47:23,760
>> Please do. If this development goes

6237
04:47:23,760 --> 04:47:26,320
through, are they going to tile that

6238
04:47:26,320 --> 04:47:28,400
ditch for us so we can still get our

6239
04:47:28,400 --> 04:47:31,200
irrigation water? They can't fill it in,

6240
04:47:31,200 --> 04:47:31,760
can they?

6241
04:47:31,760 --> 04:47:33,040
>> No.

6242
04:47:33,040 --> 04:47:34,798
>> 100%.

6243
04:47:34,798 --> 04:47:40,000
>> So, you're 100% going to say to me that will be tiled.

6244
04:47:40,000 --> 04:47:42,560
>> Uh, they,

6245
04:47:42,560 --> 04:47:44,240
as far as I understand, they just have

6246
04:47:44,240 --> 04:47:45,920
to they just have to make sure that you

6247
04:47:45,920 --> 04:47:47,840
are able to get your water.

6248
04:47:47,840 --> 04:47:48,560
>> Okay.

6249
04:47:48,560 --> 04:47:50,320
>> They can't take your water away.

6250
04:47:50,320 --> 04:47:51,600
>> Okay. because it runs about

6251
04:47:51,600 --> 04:47:53,920
>> how how it looks

6252
04:47:53,920 --> 04:47:56,000
could be a hund different ways but they

6253
04:47:56,000 --> 04:47:56,958
have I don't care how

6254
04:47:56,958 --> 04:47:58,240
>> you have to maintain they have to

6255
04:47:58,240 --> 04:47:59,840
maintain your ability to get your water

6256
04:47:59,840 --> 04:48:02,400
>> the way it runs now it comes to Smith

6257
04:48:02,400 --> 04:48:04,400
goes underneath the road and it goes

6258
04:48:04,400 --> 04:48:07,040
underneath the Phyllis canal and then

6259
04:48:07,040 --> 04:48:09,840
comes up into our ditch that feeds our

6260
04:48:09,840 --> 04:48:12,878
subdivision. So that was my main concern

6261
04:48:12,878 --> 04:48:15,920
is about the irrigation ditch

6262
04:48:15,920 --> 04:48:18,000
but [snorts] we're okay with they won't

6263
04:48:18,000 --> 04:48:19,200
fill it in. Y

6264
04:48:19,200 --> 04:48:20,638
>> we can we can ask them what they're

6265
04:48:20,638 --> 04:48:22,718
intending to do, but one way or the

6266
04:48:22,718 --> 04:48:24,560
other they're they have to preserve it.

6267
04:48:24,560 --> 04:48:27,600
>> Okay, that was that was my uh that's my

6268
04:48:27,600 --> 04:48:29,520
main concern. So, thank you.

6269
04:48:29,520 --> 04:48:34,230
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

6270
04:48:34,240 --> 04:48:48,628
» Stephen Reed.

6271
04:48:48,638 --> 04:48:51,840
Evening, Mr. Chairman and uh

6272
04:48:51,840 --> 04:48:55,040
commissioners. Uh I reside at Oh, I

6273
04:48:55,040 --> 04:48:56,958
guess I didn't I should say my name,

6274
04:48:56,958 --> 04:49:00,160
shouldn't I? Steven Reed called, so I

6275
04:49:00,160 --> 04:49:03,920
responded. I live at 14

6276
04:49:03,920 --> 04:49:09,280
328 Red River Avenue in Nampa. I'm I'm

6277
04:49:09,280 --> 04:49:13,520
one of the people just to the west of

6278
04:49:13,520 --> 04:49:17,200
this project. Uh, I confess to you that

6279
04:49:17,200 --> 04:49:20,798
I wish I'd been able to memorize this

6280
04:49:20,798 --> 04:49:22,400
65page

6281
04:49:22,400 --> 04:49:25,120
staff report, which I did my best to

6282
04:49:25,120 --> 04:49:27,200
learn, but I didn't. [clears throat] But

6283
04:49:27,200 --> 04:49:30,320
I do have some questions. I want to join

6284
04:49:30,320 --> 04:49:31,920
with

6285
04:49:31,920 --> 04:49:34,718
the numerous written com uh comments

6286
04:49:34,718 --> 04:49:36,798
that you received about the density

6287
04:49:36,798 --> 04:49:42,718
proposals. Uh my math is way in the uh

6288
04:49:42,718 --> 04:49:45,520
rear vision rear view mirror tonight,

6289
04:49:45,520 --> 04:49:49,600
but if I calculate correctly of the

6290
04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:53,440
allocation of five to eight houses uh

6291
04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:56,958
per acre that the developer proposed

6292
04:49:56,958 --> 04:49:59,680
earlier this evening, that's those are

6293
04:49:59,680 --> 04:50:02,894
lots that are somewhere between

6294
04:50:02,894 --> 04:50:03,760
[clears throat]

6295
04:50:03,760 --> 04:50:07,920
5,500 and about 8,600 square F feet.

6296
04:50:07,920 --> 04:50:11,440
Those are tiny lots. Those are the same

6297
04:50:11,440 --> 04:50:16,798
size lots, at least to my eye, as in old

6298
04:50:16,798 --> 04:50:21,360
uh Nampa. They are you you heard you

6299
04:50:21,360 --> 04:50:23,520
heard testimony and talked about quite a

6300
04:50:23,520 --> 04:50:26,480
bit earlier this evening with regard to

6301
04:50:26,480 --> 04:50:28,160
Southside

6302
04:50:28,160 --> 04:50:31,200
uh about front yards of the the duplexes

6303
04:50:31,200 --> 04:50:33,600
that we're going to have four four foot

6304
04:50:33,600 --> 04:50:37,440
backyards and roughly equal four uh

6305
04:50:37,440 --> 04:50:39,200
front yards. Well, that's what that

6306
04:50:39,200 --> 04:50:41,600
that's what you're going to get with

6307
04:50:41,600 --> 04:50:46,000
five five to eight uh par lots, excuse

6308
04:50:46,000 --> 04:50:49,520
me, buildings uh per acre. Unless the

6309
04:50:49,520 --> 04:50:51,760
houses are going to be just tiny houses,

6310
04:50:51,760 --> 04:50:54,958
in which case uh they probably would

6311
04:50:54,958 --> 04:50:58,080
have larger yards, but they're going to

6312
04:50:58,080 --> 04:51:01,360
be considerably less desirable for the

6313
04:51:01,360 --> 04:51:03,680
whole neighborhood. people that that

6314
04:51:03,680 --> 04:51:05,600
commented on density, I think, were

6315
04:51:05,600 --> 04:51:07,840
worried about the fact that we were

6316
04:51:07,840 --> 04:51:10,480
going to end up with a very compact

6317
04:51:10,480 --> 04:51:13,600
bunch of houses in this in this area.

6318
04:51:13,600 --> 04:51:16,718
And that's probably borne out by the

6319
04:51:16,718 --> 04:51:20,000
proposal for all the green area uh that

6320
04:51:20,000 --> 04:51:23,520
is shown on their maps. We also have no

6321
04:51:23,520 --> 04:51:25,600
information whatsoever

6322
04:51:25,600 --> 04:51:28,320
uh how what

6323
04:51:28,320 --> 04:51:31,520
density is going to be in multifamily.

6324
04:51:31,520 --> 04:51:34,400
Uh we're told that some will be uh

6325
04:51:34,400 --> 04:51:39,280
condominiums or owner owner uh property

6326
04:51:39,280 --> 04:51:41,520
or they're going to be rental. Well, how

6327
04:51:41,520 --> 04:51:44,560
many uh how tall? We don't have any of

6328
04:51:44,560 --> 04:51:47,120
that information. Once again, that's the

6329
04:51:47,120 --> 04:51:49,760
density that the people wrote into you

6330
04:51:49,760 --> 04:51:52,480
and that I have concern about. And then

6331
04:51:52,480 --> 04:51:57,280
honestly, the commercial area is uh to

6332
04:51:57,280 --> 04:52:00,958
me a big red flag. First of all, I don't

6333
04:52:00,958 --> 04:52:03,360
think we need it. I live in the area. I

6334
04:52:03,360 --> 04:52:06,400
certainly don't find myself worrying

6335
04:52:06,400 --> 04:52:10,480
about or or missing out on uh uh place

6336
04:52:10,480 --> 04:52:14,160
to shop or supplies. Now, I see that the

6337
04:52:14,160 --> 04:52:17,200
uh clock has exhausted my time, so I'll

6338
04:52:17,200 --> 04:52:24,080
quit. But I'll just tell you that I the opening paragraph of this report

6339
04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:27,200
says that tonight you are going to

6340
04:52:27,200 --> 04:52:30,560
approve an application for annexation

6341
04:52:30,560 --> 04:52:34,320
and zoning. Good. That's terrific for a

6342
04:52:34,320 --> 04:52:38,400
master plan community with a development

6343
04:52:38,400 --> 04:52:40,160
agreement. I didn't find a development

6344
04:52:40,160 --> 04:52:42,320
agreement in here. Now, I'll grant you I

6345
04:52:42,320 --> 04:52:45,520
read it awfully fast and it's if it's in

6346
04:52:45,520 --> 04:52:47,840
there, it's hidden. I didn't see it.

6347
04:52:47,840 --> 04:52:50,718
Maybe uh Mr. Ashby can tell me where I

6348
04:52:50,718 --> 04:52:53,040
can find it, but at least as of this

6349
04:52:53,040 --> 04:52:55,680
moment, I don't know where it is. And I

6350
04:52:55,680 --> 04:53:00,798
would urge you not to approve tonight an

6351
04:53:00,798 --> 04:53:04,638
a proposal that obligates you to an

6352
04:53:04,638 --> 04:53:06,160
open-ended

6353
04:53:06,160 --> 04:53:08,480
uh development agreement. Thank you for

6354
04:53:08,480 --> 04:53:10,320
paying attention to me.

6355
04:53:10,320 --> 04:53:14,708
>> Thank you, sir.

6356
04:53:14,718 --> 04:53:21,510
Bob Williams.

6357
04:53:21,520 --> 04:53:25,600
» My name is Bob Williams. I live at 12220

6358
04:53:25,600 --> 04:53:30,320
Apple Roseway in Nampa. Um, I bought a

6359
04:53:30,320 --> 04:53:33,440
house just a couple of months ago just

6360
04:53:33,440 --> 04:53:36,958
north of the park and now I find that

6361
04:53:36,958 --> 04:53:39,840
Midway, which my house borders on, is

6362
04:53:39,840 --> 04:53:42,638
going to have a whole ton more traffic.

6363
04:53:42,638 --> 04:53:44,320
Now, it's obvious that this is a

6364
04:53:44,320 --> 04:53:46,560
foregone conclusion and we're not going

6365
04:53:46,560 --> 04:53:50,320
to be able to stop it or slow it down.

6366
04:53:50,320 --> 04:53:52,240
But one of the things I've noticed since

6367
04:53:52,240 --> 04:53:55,520
living here in Nampa is that, you know,

6368
04:53:55,520 --> 04:53:59,920
driving up Middleton, uh, Midland,

6369
04:53:59,920 --> 04:54:02,240
uh, the developments there that have

6370
04:54:02,240 --> 04:54:04,718
gone in get all these nice, beautiful

6371
04:54:04,718 --> 04:54:08,000
setbacks and vinyl fences and privacy

6372
04:54:08,000 --> 04:54:10,080
and noise abatement and everything from

6373
04:54:10,080 --> 04:54:12,400
all the traffic. But those of us that

6374
04:54:12,400 --> 04:54:15,440
have existing houses get screwed.

6375
04:54:15,440 --> 04:54:19,760
And Midway is going to take 75 90% of

6376
04:54:19,760 --> 04:54:22,000
the traffic from this development, which

6377
04:54:22,000 --> 04:54:23,760
is going to have to turn that into a

6378
04:54:23,760 --> 04:54:26,638
four-lane road. So, I'm going to lose

6379
04:54:26,638 --> 04:54:30,080
property that I just purchased. The

6380
04:54:30,080 --> 04:54:31,920
traffic is going to be closer to my

6381
04:54:31,920 --> 04:54:36,240
bedroom window. And I plan on next

6382
04:54:36,240 --> 04:54:39,520
spring putting in a a living hedge to

6383
04:54:39,520 --> 04:54:41,520
try to get rid of some of the traffic

6384
04:54:41,520 --> 04:54:44,080
noise and create privacy from the

6385
04:54:44,080 --> 04:54:46,320
existing midway. Well, that's all going

6386
04:54:46,320 --> 04:54:48,080
to get pulled out and cost me several

6387
04:54:48,080 --> 04:54:52,638
thousand dollars of lost lost u uh

6388
04:54:52,638 --> 04:54:54,160
landscaping.

6389
04:54:54,160 --> 04:55:00,560
So, I I guess what I'm asking is what can be done for those of us that

6390
04:55:00,560 --> 04:55:03,040
aren't in the development

6391
04:55:03,040 --> 04:55:08,948
but are affected by the development?

6392
04:55:08,958 --> 04:55:15,430
» Thank you for your question,

6393
04:55:15,440 --> 04:55:25,510
» Lynn Hodgeges.

6394
04:55:25,520 --> 04:55:30,320
Uh Lynn Hodgeges, 11455 Lonear Road. I'm

6395
04:55:30,320 --> 04:55:33,280
just south of the property that is in

6396
04:55:33,280 --> 04:55:36,240
question. Uh it's also it's the old

6397
04:55:36,240 --> 04:55:38,638
Lonear School, former Hope House

6398
04:55:38,638 --> 04:55:41,760
Children's Home. Uh I've been there for

6399
04:55:41,760 --> 04:55:44,160
23 years. Worked my fingers to the bone

6400
04:55:44,160 --> 04:55:47,200
fixing that place up. It was a mess. Uh

6401
04:55:47,200 --> 04:55:50,480
I oppose this uh this subdivision going

6402
04:55:50,480 --> 04:55:54,240
in. Uh and as I had a little bit of time

6403
04:55:54,240 --> 04:55:56,560
tonight to play with numbers from things

6404
04:55:56,560 --> 04:55:58,560
I've seen from the previous

6405
04:55:58,560 --> 04:56:01,520
presentations and also from online

6406
04:56:01,520 --> 04:56:02,958
resources, I wanted to share some

6407
04:56:02,958 --> 04:56:07,680
numbers. So they're they're allowed 1,69

6408
04:56:07,680 --> 04:56:10,240
dwellings. They're asking for 20% more.

6409
04:56:10,240 --> 04:56:12,878
That takes it to,282

6410
04:56:12,878 --> 04:56:14,798
dwellings.

6411
04:56:14,798 --> 04:56:17,840
City of Nampa uses 2.76 people per

6412
04:56:17,840 --> 04:56:22,000
dwelling. That's 3538 people. Uh from

6413
04:56:22,000 --> 04:56:24,798
one of the slides I gathered that uh

6414
04:56:24,798 --> 04:56:27,200
police cost, and I did some math, that's

6415
04:56:27,200 --> 04:56:28,480
going to cost the police department

6416
04:56:28,480 --> 04:56:31,280
about $44,000.

6417
04:56:31,280 --> 04:56:34,000
Hopefully I didn't do the math wrong. Uh

6418
04:56:34,000 --> 04:56:36,320
Sonata Point West, which is directly

6419
04:56:36,320 --> 04:56:38,560
next to me, uh when they got their

6420
04:56:38,560 --> 04:56:41,200
proposal turned in, they used 9.44 44

6421
04:56:41,200 --> 04:56:45,280
vehicle trips per day per dwelling. That

6422
04:56:45,280 --> 04:56:48,160
equals 12,100

6423
04:56:48,160 --> 04:56:52,000
trips per day. And those roads out there

6424
04:56:52,000 --> 04:56:54,878
will not handle 12,100. You would have

6425
04:56:54,878 --> 04:56:58,320
to widen roads all the way out to every

6426
04:56:58,320 --> 04:57:02,718
collector everywhere. Uh so the density

6427
04:57:02,718 --> 04:57:06,638
uh that they're proposing very dense a

6428
04:57:06,638 --> 04:57:08,718
lot of apartments a lot of town homes

6429
04:57:08,718 --> 04:57:11,920
and RS4 they could have 4,000 square

6430
04:57:11,920 --> 04:57:16,400
foot lots and uh

6431
04:57:16,400 --> 04:57:18,560
I don't see much mix there. It's all

6432
04:57:18,560 --> 04:57:20,718
very high density. Let's pack as much in

6433
04:57:20,718 --> 04:57:24,160
as we can. Uh, one note from one of the

6434
04:57:24,160 --> 04:57:26,878
staff comments that that they brought up

6435
04:57:26,878 --> 04:57:31,600
was, uh, there was ballpark 140ome homes

6436
04:57:31,600 --> 04:57:33,520
approved out there in the last couple

6437
04:57:33,520 --> 04:57:36,958
years. This development, one development

6438
04:57:36,958 --> 04:57:41,200
is over 10 times that size. So it is a

6439
04:57:41,200 --> 04:57:46,718
massive massive impact not only to us

6440
04:57:46,718 --> 04:57:48,560
that have been out there for a long time

6441
04:57:48,560 --> 04:57:52,480
but that entire area uh will be dwarfed

6442
04:57:52,480 --> 04:57:56,878
with traffic with people uh and so I I

6443
04:57:56,878 --> 04:58:00,400
oppose this and I would urge you to uh

6444
04:58:00,400 --> 04:58:08,948
do the same. Thank you. Thank you,

6445
04:58:08,958 --> 04:58:18,868
» Cheryl Higgley.

6446
04:58:18,878 --> 04:58:20,638
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and

6447
04:58:20,638 --> 04:58:22,240
Commissioners.

6448
04:58:22,240 --> 04:58:25,920
I'm Cheryl Higgley at 12441 South Abbott

6449
04:58:25,920 --> 04:58:28,958
Downing Way here in Nampa. I want to

6450
04:58:28,958 --> 04:58:31,200
express my strong opposition to the

6451
04:58:31,200 --> 04:58:33,440
application for Lonear master plan

6452
04:58:33,440 --> 04:58:36,000
community. No preliminary plat was

6453
04:58:36,000 --> 04:58:38,080
provided. However, based on the density

6454
04:58:38,080 --> 04:58:40,798
shown in the specific area plan plus a

6455
04:58:40,798 --> 04:58:43,760
20% increase in density allowed, it

6456
04:58:43,760 --> 04:58:46,560
could be over,00

6457
04:58:46,560 --> 04:58:48,958
excuse me, dwelling units. Here are my

6458
04:58:48,958 --> 04:58:50,798
reasons why commercial and residential

6459
04:58:50,798 --> 04:58:53,920
development should be limited. First,

6460
04:58:53,920 --> 04:58:56,958
just as the train poses an issue to

6461
04:58:56,958 --> 04:59:00,000
southeast Nampa, this area has unique

6462
04:59:00,000 --> 04:59:02,240
geographic factors and infrastructure

6463
04:59:02,240 --> 04:59:05,280
challenges, too. It is lake locked on

6464
04:59:05,280 --> 04:59:07,840
two sides, to the south and the west.

6465
04:59:07,840 --> 04:59:10,080
Therefore, traffic has to go north and

6466
04:59:10,080 --> 04:59:12,718
east to highway 84 where most jobs,

6467
04:59:12,718 --> 04:59:15,280
goods, and services are located. The

6468
04:59:15,280 --> 04:59:17,520
traffic will funnel funnel directly into

6469
04:59:17,520 --> 04:59:19,360
one of the most problematic interchanges

6470
04:59:19,360 --> 04:59:22,000
at Carter, Coldwell Boulevard, and

6471
04:59:22,000 --> 04:59:25,280
Highway 84. Even though the road is

6472
04:59:25,280 --> 04:59:27,040
being widened, the traffic will never

6473
04:59:27,040 --> 04:59:29,440
flow well. With six signals in the one

6474
04:59:29,440 --> 04:59:31,040
and a half miles from Middleton Road to

6475
04:59:31,040 --> 04:59:32,560
Costco,

6476
04:59:32,560 --> 04:59:34,240
it will remain a tangled knot of

6477
04:59:34,240 --> 04:59:36,878
congestion. To avoid the congestion on

6478
04:59:36,878 --> 04:59:38,798
Carter, residents will seek alternate

6479
04:59:38,798 --> 04:59:40,878
routes and head east all the way through

6480
04:59:40,878 --> 04:59:43,680
Nampa to get to the freeway. I know

6481
04:59:43,680 --> 04:59:46,160
because I do that now. This will cause

6482
04:59:46,160 --> 04:59:48,080
increased traffic congestion throughout

6483
04:59:48,080 --> 04:59:50,480
the city due to the insufficient road

6484
04:59:50,480 --> 04:59:52,718
capacity of the two-lane roads to handle

6485
04:59:52,718 --> 04:59:55,120
the volume of vehicles. Second,

6486
04:59:55,120 --> 04:59:57,200
regarding the anticipated residential

6487
04:59:57,200 --> 04:59:59,920
growth, the proposed density seems way

6488
04:59:59,920 --> 05:00:02,638
too high for this rural area. Apartments

6489
05:00:02,638 --> 05:00:05,920
in tiny 4,000 foot lots are incompatible

6490
05:00:05,920 --> 05:00:08,240
with the adjacent rural residences and

6491
05:00:08,240 --> 05:00:10,638
the nearby subdivisions.

6492
05:00:10,638 --> 05:00:13,120
In addition, per the email from the

6493
05:00:13,120 --> 05:00:15,680
engineering department, both Midway and

6494
05:00:15,680 --> 05:00:18,560
Lone Lonear roads are classified as

6495
05:00:18,560 --> 05:00:22,160
minor arterial two-lane rural rural

6496
05:00:22,160 --> 05:00:24,560
roads. And last year at the area of

6497
05:00:24,560 --> 05:00:26,080
impact public hearing before the board

6498
05:00:26,080 --> 05:00:28,400
of county commissioners, Crystal Craig

6499
05:00:28,400 --> 05:00:30,878
testified that there are currently no

6500
05:00:30,878 --> 05:00:33,040
road improvement projects planned for

6501
05:00:33,040 --> 05:00:37,680
Midway Road. Code section 10-12-1

6502
05:00:37,680 --> 05:00:40,878
regarding RH states that it is intended

6503
05:00:40,878 --> 05:00:43,760
to be situated near major commerce

6504
05:00:43,760 --> 05:00:47,200
areas, campus locations, and major

6505
05:00:47,200 --> 05:00:49,920
thoroughfare intersections and around

6506
05:00:49,920 --> 05:00:52,480
the downtown districts. This location is

6507
05:00:52,480 --> 05:00:54,878
the exact opposite of that description.

6508
05:00:54,878 --> 05:00:57,120
And to put an RH zone here is a

6509
05:00:57,120 --> 05:01:00,160
contradiction to our city's code,

6510
05:01:00,160 --> 05:01:04,320
especially an RH zone with the 20% bonus

6511
05:01:04,320 --> 05:01:06,878
increase in density, which I believe

6512
05:01:06,878 --> 05:01:08,798
will have the highest density of

6513
05:01:08,798 --> 05:01:11,200
dwelling units per acre in the city.

6514
05:01:11,200 --> 05:01:12,638
Rodney can correct me if I'm wrong

6515
05:01:12,638 --> 05:01:14,000
there, but it's the highest I've heard

6516
05:01:14,000 --> 05:01:15,920
of.

6517
05:01:15,920 --> 05:01:18,000
Third, regarding the anticipated

6518
05:01:18,000 --> 05:01:20,320
commercial growth, 30 acres of

6519
05:01:20,320 --> 05:01:22,878
commercial does not seem condu conducive

6520
05:01:22,878 --> 05:01:25,840
to this area. That's the size of the

6521
05:01:25,840 --> 05:01:28,638
entire shopping center where Hobby Lobby

6522
05:01:28,638 --> 05:01:31,920
is located. From Sportsman Warehouse to

6523
05:01:31,920 --> 05:01:34,878
TJ Maxx, Burlington out to Midland down

6524
05:01:34,878 --> 05:01:37,760
to Cracker Barrel. That's 31 acres

6525
05:01:37,760 --> 05:01:43,040
there. This would be 30 um or yeah,

6526
05:01:43,040 --> 05:01:45,280
especially for the 34 acres of

6527
05:01:45,280 --> 05:01:47,040
commercial has already been approved in

6528
05:01:47,040 --> 05:01:49,920
the nearby developments of Adera and the

6529
05:01:49,920 --> 05:01:52,400
Charles at Carter, which are within one

6530
05:01:52,400 --> 05:01:54,958
and a half miles and have already broken

6531
05:01:54,958 --> 05:01:57,680
ground. The truth is that if there was

6532
05:01:57,680 --> 05:01:59,520
ever an area in Nampa that needs to be

6533
05:01:59,520 --> 05:02:02,160
kept rural and very low density, this is

6534
05:02:02,160 --> 05:02:05,440
it. Due to its unique geographic factors

6535
05:02:05,440 --> 05:02:07,600
and infrastructure challenges,

6536
05:02:07,600 --> 05:02:10,000
development should be limited.

6537
05:02:10,000 --> 05:02:12,240
>> Please consider this before you make

6538
05:02:12,240 --> 05:02:14,798
your decision and please deny the

6539
05:02:14,798 --> 05:02:17,120
recommend or have a recommendation of

6540
05:02:17,120 --> 05:02:18,638
denial. Thank you.

6541
05:02:18,638 --> 05:02:27,670
>> Thank you,

6542
05:02:27,680 --> 05:02:30,080
» Mr. Chair. We have uh received no

6543
05:02:30,080 --> 05:02:33,200
further requests to speak under public

6544
05:02:33,200 --> 05:02:41,750
testimony.

6545
05:02:41,760 --> 05:02:44,958
» Good evening. My name's uh Ted Jones. I

6546
05:02:44,958 --> 05:02:48,550
live at [clears throat] 11855,

6547
05:02:48,560 --> 05:02:50,958
excuse me, West Patt

6548
05:02:50,958 --> 05:02:54,798
uh Drive in Nampa. Formerly, I lived uh

6549
05:02:54,798 --> 05:02:57,360
in the Arbor Landing subdivision, which

6550
05:02:57,360 --> 05:03:01,040
is just to the west of Midway Park,

6551
05:03:01,040 --> 05:03:04,400
right off of Smith. There was uh 16

6552
05:03:04,400 --> 05:03:08,798
parcels, one acre. Uh everybody in our

6553
05:03:08,798 --> 05:03:12,320
entire HOA was opposed to this because

6554
05:03:12,320 --> 05:03:14,560
the density is just too aggressive, I

6555
05:03:14,560 --> 05:03:16,878
think. And everybody in the neighborhood

6556
05:03:16,878 --> 05:03:18,638
felt the same way. We were all in a

6557
05:03:18,638 --> 05:03:22,878
rural area surrounded by farms and now

6558
05:03:22,878 --> 05:03:25,360
what you're proposing [clears throat]

6559
05:03:25,360 --> 05:03:28,000
to go to take it

6560
05:03:28,000 --> 05:03:30,958
what you have plus another 20% just

6561
05:03:30,958 --> 05:03:35,200
doesn't make any sense. Um the traffic

6562
05:03:35,200 --> 05:03:38,718
as it is now is just has been a fiasco.

6563
05:03:38,718 --> 05:03:40,718
I lived there for four years and I just

6564
05:03:40,718 --> 05:03:45,200
moved about a year ago. Uh because

6565
05:03:45,200 --> 05:03:47,680
there's just no infrastructure

6566
05:03:47,680 --> 05:03:51,040
and just to go to Costco from Midway and

6567
05:03:51,040 --> 05:03:54,878
Smith was a complete disaster and the

6568
05:03:54,878 --> 05:03:57,120
roadway is still a mess as you as you

6569
05:03:57,120 --> 05:04:00,480
guys know. Um the other thing on the BC

6570
05:04:00,480 --> 05:04:02,240
zoning,

6571
05:04:02,240 --> 05:04:05,760
my concern is on that I don't see enough

6572
05:04:05,760 --> 05:04:09,280
demand for it. Number one. Number two, I

6573
05:04:09,280 --> 05:04:11,680
think you're going to actually rob

6574
05:04:11,680 --> 05:04:14,160
potentially downtown and some of the

6575
05:04:14,160 --> 05:04:21,200
other areas um from um commerce. And I

6576
05:04:21,200 --> 05:04:23,600
think it's important that you guys keep

6577
05:04:23,600 --> 05:04:27,520
the downtown uh vitalized and all the

6578
05:04:27,520 --> 05:04:29,840
other current areas.

6579
05:04:29,840 --> 05:04:32,868
Um

6580
05:04:32,878 --> 05:04:34,638
right now with the economy the way it

6581
05:04:34,638 --> 05:04:39,280
is, it is very difficult for retailers

6582
05:04:39,280 --> 05:04:43,280
and by carving up more space for uh

6583
05:04:43,280 --> 05:04:44,878
commercial.

6584
05:04:44,878 --> 05:04:48,160
I think you're going to dilute

6585
05:04:48,160 --> 05:04:50,160
um and that's going to create more

6586
05:04:50,160 --> 05:04:52,958
problems. So those are my only comments.

6587
05:04:52,958 --> 05:04:56,080
I would just ask that you deny it and if

6588
05:04:56,080 --> 05:04:58,798
you are going to pass it for sure do not

6589
05:04:58,798 --> 05:05:02,560
allow the 20% increase. Thank you.

6590
05:05:02,560 --> 05:05:05,910
>> Thank you.

6591
05:05:05,920 --> 05:05:07,120
There anybody else who would like to

6592
05:05:07,120 --> 05:05:14,230
speak for against or undecided?

6593
05:05:14,240 --> 05:05:16,798
» Okay, you guys want to come back up

6594
05:05:16,798 --> 05:05:21,750
answer some questions?

6595
05:05:21,760 --> 05:05:23,200
» Thank you, Mr. chair, members of the

6596
05:05:23,200 --> 05:05:24,718
commission, Rodney, I don't know if we

6597
05:05:24,718 --> 05:05:26,320
can put our slide back up because I have

6598
05:05:26,320 --> 05:05:30,480
a couple things on traffic in there.

6599
05:05:30,480 --> 05:05:31,920
So, really appreciate all the written

6600
05:05:31,920 --> 05:05:33,360
testimony and then folks sticking around

6601
05:05:33,360 --> 05:05:35,440
to provide their spoken testimony, too.

6602
05:05:35,440 --> 05:05:38,160
It's really good to have feedback. Um,

6603
05:05:38,160 --> 05:05:40,798
we let's see

6604
05:05:40,798 --> 05:05:44,560
uh on the density stuff. So the 20%

6605
05:05:44,560 --> 05:05:46,400
density bonus we're requesting is just

6606
05:05:46,400 --> 05:05:48,480
for the RH district and the intent

6607
05:05:48,480 --> 05:05:51,040
behind that is that we can provide more

6608
05:05:51,040 --> 05:05:52,878
of a variety of housing within that

6609
05:05:52,878 --> 05:05:55,600
area. So 12 units per acre is pretty

6610
05:05:55,600 --> 05:05:58,320
limiting. It doesn't allow for uh

6611
05:05:58,320 --> 05:06:02,160
apartments essentially. So if you uh any

6612
05:06:02,160 --> 05:06:05,040
So a 20% bonus on the 12 would get us to

6613
05:06:05,040 --> 05:06:07,360
14.4 units an acre which would allow us

6614
05:06:07,360 --> 05:06:09,760
to do a twotory apartment building

6615
05:06:09,760 --> 05:06:11,920
basically with some town homes fixed in.

6616
05:06:11,920 --> 05:06:13,520
So it really increases the variety of

6617
05:06:13,520 --> 05:06:15,600
housing product that's there. It allows

6618
05:06:15,600 --> 05:06:18,320
us to transition the density from the

6619
05:06:18,320 --> 05:06:21,040
intense commercial to more high density

6620
05:06:21,040 --> 05:06:23,040
to less density to the single family

6621
05:06:23,040 --> 05:06:24,560
residential. So that's the intent behind

6622
05:06:24,560 --> 05:06:29,760
that request. Uh looking at our zoning

6623
05:06:29,760 --> 05:06:33,840
district um requests, uh the gentleman

6624
05:06:33,840 --> 05:06:37,040
that had all of the math um that he

6625
05:06:37,040 --> 05:06:39,520
provided was really great. I think what

6626
05:06:39,520 --> 05:06:41,360
we're envisioning because this is a

6627
05:06:41,360 --> 05:06:42,718
master plan community there's required

6628
05:06:42,718 --> 05:06:44,638
to be 15% open space throughout the

6629
05:06:44,638 --> 05:06:48,320
entire development which is um it's

6630
05:06:48,320 --> 05:06:50,480
difficult to get density with that

6631
05:06:50,480 --> 05:06:52,718
amount of open space. So realistically

6632
05:06:52,718 --> 05:06:54,320
in the single family area we've been

6633
05:06:54,320 --> 05:06:56,400
looking at five units per acre and

6634
05:06:56,400 --> 05:06:59,040
that's what our traffic impact uh study

6635
05:06:59,040 --> 05:07:01,760
analysis contemplated. So we'd probably

6636
05:07:01,760 --> 05:07:04,718
be more at with 90 acres probably more

6637
05:07:04,718 --> 05:07:08,080
around 450 to maybe 500 units within the

6638
05:07:08,080 --> 05:07:12,638
RS4 area. The RH area if we went up to

6639
05:07:12,638 --> 05:07:16,400
the 14 units per acre at around 28 29

6640
05:07:16,400 --> 05:07:18,878
acres that'd be around 400 units which

6641
05:07:18,878 --> 05:07:21,760
is a typical size for a multifamily

6642
05:07:21,760 --> 05:07:24,718
development. So, that's what we envision

6643
05:07:24,718 --> 05:07:26,798
and I think we'd be comfortable with a

6644
05:07:26,798 --> 05:07:28,400
condition that maybe stated something

6645
05:07:28,400 --> 05:07:30,400
along those lines if that's how the

6646
05:07:30,400 --> 05:07:32,000
commission feels they'd like to make a

6647
05:07:32,000 --> 05:07:33,760
recommendation.

6648
05:07:33,760 --> 05:07:35,920
Um,

6649
05:07:35,920 --> 05:07:38,798
the gentleman that brought up the ditch,

6650
05:07:38,798 --> 05:07:40,638
we are required to comply with state

6651
05:07:40,638 --> 05:07:42,878
code 42-12

6652
05:07:42,878 --> 05:07:45,280
requires that we maintain water that's

6653
05:07:45,280 --> 05:07:46,878
being delivered to adjacent properties.

6654
05:07:46,878 --> 05:07:48,080
And at this point, we haven't done a

6655
05:07:48,080 --> 05:07:50,320
whole lot of engineering uh on this

6656
05:07:50,320 --> 05:07:52,080
property, but it's likely that we'll be

6657
05:07:52,080 --> 05:07:53,600
tiling that because I think the one that

6658
05:07:53,600 --> 05:07:54,958
he's talking about goes straight through

6659
05:07:54,958 --> 05:07:56,240
the middle of the site where we have

6660
05:07:56,240 --> 05:07:57,600
some roadways and some other things

6661
05:07:57,600 --> 05:07:59,120
planned. But we will make sure that we

6662
05:07:59,120 --> 05:08:01,520
work with him to make sure that's

6663
05:08:01,520 --> 05:08:05,430
delivered to his property.

6664
05:08:05,440 --> 05:08:07,040
» Quick question on that while you're

6665
05:08:07,040 --> 05:08:09,280
Yeah, while you're there. So, it sounds

6666
05:08:09,280 --> 05:08:11,760
like the farmer hasn't been doing

6667
05:08:11,760 --> 05:08:13,520
anything this last year, so the weeds

6668
05:08:13,520 --> 05:08:15,520
probably grew up and it was slowing down

6669
05:08:15,520 --> 05:08:18,000
the the water flow. If this did get

6670
05:08:18,000 --> 05:08:20,798
approved, could the developer keep that

6671
05:08:20,798 --> 05:08:22,480
clean until he gets to the point where

6672
05:08:22,480 --> 05:08:24,718
he does tile it so that they the one to

6673
05:08:24,718 --> 05:08:26,240
the north does get their water without

6674
05:08:26,240 --> 05:08:27,280
an issue?

6675
05:08:27,280 --> 05:08:28,878
>> Mr. Chair, Commissioner, I can say that

6676
05:08:28,878 --> 05:08:30,320
we'd be comfortable committing to that.

6677
05:08:30,320 --> 05:08:30,798
Yeah,

6678
05:08:30,798 --> 05:08:31,440
>> thank you.

6679
05:08:31,440 --> 05:08:32,958
>> We'll make sure that we com coordinate

6680
05:08:32,958 --> 05:08:37,830
that with our client.

6681
05:08:37,840 --> 05:08:39,360
Uh, another thing that's really

6682
05:08:39,360 --> 05:08:40,718
important, I think, for folks to

6683
05:08:40,718 --> 05:08:42,320
recognize when they're talking about the

6684
05:08:42,320 --> 05:08:44,080
density and maybe the size of lots

6685
05:08:44,080 --> 05:08:45,600
within this development is that this

6686
05:08:45,600 --> 05:08:47,280
will all be incrementally phased

6687
05:08:47,280 --> 05:08:49,360
throughout the development. So, it is a

6688
05:08:49,360 --> 05:08:51,280
large swath of ground, but

6689
05:08:51,280 --> 05:08:53,920
realistically, you know, the northwest

6690
05:08:53,920 --> 05:08:55,280
corner, I'm trying to show you pictures

6691
05:08:55,280 --> 05:08:56,480
and I'm forgetting where they are in my

6692
05:08:56,480 --> 05:08:59,520
slide deck, but the northwest corner is

6693
05:08:59,520 --> 05:09:00,798
probably going to be where we would

6694
05:09:00,798 --> 05:09:02,958
first go and then all of the yellow is

6695
05:09:02,958 --> 05:09:05,520
probably what would be developing first

6696
05:09:05,520 --> 05:09:08,560
because we need the rooftops to support

6697
05:09:08,560 --> 05:09:10,798
the commercial. So, it's likely that the

6698
05:09:10,798 --> 05:09:12,080
yellow would develop first and then some

6699
05:09:12,080 --> 05:09:13,680
of the multif family may kind of be

6700
05:09:13,680 --> 05:09:16,240
sprinkled in there or may develop uh

6701
05:09:16,240 --> 05:09:18,320
second. A preliminary plat would be

6702
05:09:18,320 --> 05:09:20,160
proposed at some point showing probably

6703
05:09:20,160 --> 05:09:23,040
the entire property boundary with lots

6704
05:09:23,040 --> 05:09:24,560
within the single family area and then

6705
05:09:24,560 --> 05:09:26,638
we'd probably lot out the multif family

6706
05:09:26,638 --> 05:09:28,240
area and then maybe show some commercial

6707
05:09:28,240 --> 05:09:30,480
lots with conceptual plans for

6708
05:09:30,480 --> 05:09:33,680
commercial uses. So over a period of 10

6709
05:09:33,680 --> 05:09:36,080
to 15 years the preliminary plat for the

6710
05:09:36,080 --> 05:09:37,680
single family and the multif family

6711
05:09:37,680 --> 05:09:39,360
would be developed and then commercial

6712
05:09:39,360 --> 05:09:40,958
would come in when the market supports

6713
05:09:40,958 --> 05:09:43,360
it. So the intention is not for this to

6714
05:09:43,360 --> 05:09:46,320
be a huge commercial area. 30 acres

6715
05:09:46,320 --> 05:09:49,040
sounds like a lot. Um, this is kind of

6716
05:09:49,040 --> 05:09:52,400
in relation to Cheryl's comments. Uh, it

6717
05:09:52,400 --> 05:09:54,400
sounds like a lot, but really we're

6718
05:09:54,400 --> 05:09:57,600
looking at more of a like a smaller

6719
05:09:57,600 --> 05:09:59,280
market or a smaller like maybe an

6720
05:09:59,280 --> 05:10:01,520
Albertson's uh like a neighborhood

6721
05:10:01,520 --> 05:10:04,000
market type of store supported by other

6722
05:10:04,000 --> 05:10:06,560
retailers, restaurants, fast casual

6723
05:10:06,560 --> 05:10:08,638
dining stuff. uh maybe like a coffee

6724
05:10:08,638 --> 05:10:10,160
shop, stuff that people can really walk

6725
05:10:10,160 --> 05:10:12,958
to so that they're not accessing Midway

6726
05:10:12,958 --> 05:10:16,878
Road or Lonear to go over to Carter uh

6727
05:10:16,878 --> 05:10:20,320
to get to a store. So, the idea is

6728
05:10:20,320 --> 05:10:22,320
really to try to alleviate traffic by

6729
05:10:22,320 --> 05:10:24,320
having services close by where a lot of

6730
05:10:24,320 --> 05:10:28,080
folks will be living eventually.

6731
05:10:28,080 --> 05:10:31,200
So, traffic, uh speaking of traffic, um

6732
05:10:31,200 --> 05:10:33,920
is always a big concern. We have uh

6733
05:10:33,920 --> 05:10:35,120
we've been working with KDson

6734
05:10:35,120 --> 05:10:36,400
Associates. they've been coordinating

6735
05:10:36,400 --> 05:10:39,600
with the city on scoping this project

6736
05:10:39,600 --> 05:10:42,240
out and one of the largest benefits I

6737
05:10:42,240 --> 05:10:43,520
think that we've found with the master

6738
05:10:43,520 --> 05:10:45,280
plan communities is it provides them an

6739
05:10:45,280 --> 05:10:47,360
opportunity to have an overarching view

6740
05:10:47,360 --> 05:10:50,000
of traffic for the entire area and then

6741
05:10:50,000 --> 05:10:51,520
when the preliminary plaque comes in

6742
05:10:51,520 --> 05:10:53,680
they have to do a more detailed analysis

6743
05:10:53,680 --> 05:10:55,840
and city staff reviews it to make sure

6744
05:10:55,840 --> 05:10:58,240
that the mitigations conform with what

6745
05:10:58,240 --> 05:11:00,320
they think should be required. So, there

6746
05:11:00,320 --> 05:11:03,600
were a lot of roadway segments that were

6747
05:11:03,600 --> 05:11:06,320
reviewed and part of the scoping area.

6748
05:11:06,320 --> 05:11:08,638
That's all outlined in black here. You

6749
05:11:08,638 --> 05:11:10,160
can see where our site is. It's in

6750
05:11:10,160 --> 05:11:12,240
green. So, that it's pretty expansive.

6751
05:11:12,240 --> 05:11:14,400
It looked at Smith Avenue from Midway

6752
05:11:14,400 --> 05:11:16,080
Road all the way to Nampa Calwell

6753
05:11:16,080 --> 05:11:19,360
Boulevard, Orchard Avenue, Lonear Road,

6754
05:11:19,360 --> 05:11:22,718
uh Midway Road from Lake to Moss, and

6755
05:11:22,718 --> 05:11:24,320
then Middleton Road from Orchard Avenue

6756
05:11:24,320 --> 05:11:28,560
to Nampa Caldwell Boulevard. Um, and

6757
05:11:28,560 --> 05:11:32,000
they're at this point the findings. So

6758
05:11:32,000 --> 05:11:34,958
they're they're basing these trip, you

6759
05:11:34,958 --> 05:11:37,120
know, the potential trips off of

6760
05:11:37,120 --> 05:11:38,878
potential densities, right? So we don't

6761
05:11:38,878 --> 05:11:40,400
have a layout that they can really look

6762
05:11:40,400 --> 05:11:43,440
at in a detailed way, but this is all um

6763
05:11:43,440 --> 05:11:45,920
stuff that they're stipulating based on

6764
05:11:45,920 --> 05:11:48,718
potential densities. So the overall

6765
05:11:48,718 --> 05:11:53,040
traffic um will be substantial for the

6766
05:11:53,040 --> 05:11:55,120
whole project, but as each phase

6767
05:11:55,120 --> 05:11:57,040
develops, they'll be required to make

6768
05:11:57,040 --> 05:11:58,480
improvements to roadways. So they'll

6769
05:11:58,480 --> 05:12:01,040
widen Lonear, they'll widen Midway, and

6770
05:12:01,040 --> 05:12:02,718
then there will be traffic signals

6771
05:12:02,718 --> 05:12:05,040
required. Um one thing I found

6772
05:12:05,040 --> 05:12:06,480
interesting in the analysis is it's

6773
05:12:06,480 --> 05:12:07,840
actually there are several intersections

6774
05:12:07,840 --> 05:12:09,440
and several roadways that need to be

6775
05:12:09,440 --> 05:12:11,440
improved just now with background

6776
05:12:11,440 --> 05:12:13,760
traffic. So it's not necessarily like

6777
05:12:13,760 --> 05:12:15,280
this development is going to trigger

6778
05:12:15,280 --> 05:12:16,878
those improvements. it would help to pay

6779
05:12:16,878 --> 05:12:20,160
for them if um if they came in but it

6780
05:12:20,160 --> 05:12:22,638
wouldn't you know require it on its own.

6781
05:12:22,638 --> 05:12:31,510
So um I think

6782
05:12:31,520 --> 05:12:33,440
then with each you know final plat you'd

6783
05:12:33,440 --> 05:12:35,680
get impact fees and that's what helps to

6784
05:12:35,680 --> 05:12:39,760
pay for improvements as you all know.

6785
05:12:39,760 --> 05:12:42,160
>> What else am I missing?

6786
05:12:42,160 --> 05:12:43,760
We really appreciate your consideration

6787
05:12:43,760 --> 05:12:46,240
and um I'm in agreement with the staff

6788
05:12:46,240 --> 05:12:48,320
report the conditions of approval. So

6789
05:12:48,320 --> 05:12:50,000
I'm happy to answer any other questions

6790
05:12:50,000 --> 05:12:53,830
you may have.

6791
05:12:53,840 --> 05:12:55,440
» Questions, Mr. Chair?

6792
05:12:55,440 --> 05:12:57,520
>> Yes. Um you touched on the phasing of

6793
05:12:57,520 --> 05:12:59,680
the project. Do you have any idea what

6794
05:12:59,680 --> 05:13:03,440
the timeline would be like? Are we

6795
05:13:03,440 --> 05:13:05,360
>> uh Mr. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Morgan,

6796
05:13:05,360 --> 05:13:08,160
we I don't have a defined timeline, but

6797
05:13:08,160 --> 05:13:10,000
if this annexation were to be approved,

6798
05:13:10,000 --> 05:13:11,440
our client wants to move forward with

6799
05:13:11,440 --> 05:13:13,280
the premier plat as soon as we can. So,

6800
05:13:13,280 --> 05:13:14,878
that typically takes, you know, through

6801
05:13:14,878 --> 05:13:17,600
the entitlement process, probably six

6802
05:13:17,600 --> 05:13:20,240
months, and then we would uh pursue a

6803
05:13:20,240 --> 05:13:22,480
final plat for the first phase, you

6804
05:13:22,480 --> 05:13:25,120
know, probably soon after that. So maybe

6805
05:13:25,120 --> 05:13:27,360
that's usually I'm going to guesstimate

6806
05:13:27,360 --> 05:13:29,680
um you know a year from design to

6807
05:13:29,680 --> 05:13:32,638
approval of construction plans and then

6808
05:13:32,638 --> 05:13:34,480
um construction would occur. So I'm

6809
05:13:34,480 --> 05:13:36,480
going to guess probably two to three

6810
05:13:36,480 --> 05:13:37,280
years out.

6811
05:13:37,280 --> 05:13:41,920
>> Okay. And then how what percentage rough

6812
05:13:41,920 --> 05:13:44,160
real rough ballpark of the project would

6813
05:13:44,160 --> 05:13:46,560
that be? And then how how long until the

6814
05:13:46,560 --> 05:13:49,680
next phases follow after that or is it

6815
05:13:49,680 --> 05:13:52,000
all just going to be continuous? So, if

6816
05:13:52,000 --> 05:13:55,120
we had four to 450 units, my guess is

6817
05:13:55,120 --> 05:13:58,320
they'd probably do under 100 for each

6818
05:13:58,320 --> 05:14:00,080
phase. I'm going to call it five phases

6819
05:14:00,080 --> 05:14:03,600
just to make it simple. But, um, if we

6820
05:14:03,600 --> 05:14:05,680
were to do the first phase, say the

6821
05:14:05,680 --> 05:14:07,040
first phase is constructed and they have

6822
05:14:07,040 --> 05:14:09,920
a final plat recorded in two years,

6823
05:14:09,920 --> 05:14:11,840
that's pretty aggressive. But, I'm just

6824
05:14:11,840 --> 05:14:13,440
using example. I think that they would

6825
05:14:13,440 --> 05:14:15,040
probably sequentially go through each

6826
05:14:15,040 --> 05:14:17,360
phase within a year after that. So, it'

6827
05:14:17,360 --> 05:14:19,360
probably be a phase a year. So, two

6828
05:14:19,360 --> 05:14:22,320
years to start and then maybe seven

6829
05:14:22,320 --> 05:14:24,400
after seven years. I I'm not holding you

6830
05:14:24,400 --> 05:14:25,920
to anything. Yeah. No, because we're

6831
05:14:25,920 --> 05:14:27,920
gonna we're gonna ask Daniel we're gonna

6832
05:14:27,920 --> 05:14:29,680
ask Daniel how

6833
05:14:29,680 --> 05:14:31,440
>> soon roadways are going to get improved.

6834
05:14:31,440 --> 05:14:31,920
Sure.

6835
05:14:31,920 --> 05:14:34,400
>> You know, and so having a rough idea.

6836
05:14:34,400 --> 05:14:36,798
>> I think what we been planning on is

6837
05:14:36,798 --> 05:14:39,280
around 10 years, but seven would be I'm

6838
05:14:39,280 --> 05:14:41,040
sure you know

6839
05:14:41,040 --> 05:14:43,120
>> and that's just the RS4.

6840
05:14:43,120 --> 05:14:44,240
>> Yeah, that would just be the single

6841
05:14:44,240 --> 05:14:45,600
family residential and then the

6842
05:14:45,600 --> 05:14:48,000
multifamily will be market dependent. So

6843
05:14:48,000 --> 05:14:49,760
if there's a developer that wants to

6844
05:14:49,760 --> 05:14:51,600
come in and do that, I think, you know,

6845
05:14:51,600 --> 05:14:53,440
they would certainly be amendable to

6846
05:14:53,440 --> 05:14:57,030
doing that earlier.

6847
05:14:57,040 --> 05:14:58,480
» Thank you,

6848
05:14:58,480 --> 05:15:01,040
>> Mr. Chair. Kind of a followup to that.

6849
05:15:01,040 --> 05:15:02,560
I've always been curious. I mean, this

6850
05:15:02,560 --> 05:15:04,560
is a huge

6851
05:15:04,560 --> 05:15:07,520
project. I would I would imagine one of

6852
05:15:07,520 --> 05:15:10,080
the biggest that we've seen in the city,

6853
05:15:10,080 --> 05:15:12,718
you know, but well, maybe not. So, but

6854
05:15:12,718 --> 05:15:14,878
it's a big one and it's going to have a

6855
05:15:14,878 --> 05:15:16,638
big footprint. Yeah. if it gets

6856
05:15:16,638 --> 05:15:18,080
approved.

6857
05:15:18,080 --> 05:15:24,798
>> Um what what kind of market analysis or

6858
05:15:24,798 --> 05:15:28,160
do you do to consider let's move forward

6859
05:15:28,160 --> 05:15:30,718
with reaching out to NA and see if

6860
05:15:30,718 --> 05:15:32,718
they'll if they'll be acceptable to a

6861
05:15:32,718 --> 05:15:35,600
project this big. I mean population

6862
05:15:35,600 --> 05:15:38,080
growth trends all that kind of stuff. I

6863
05:15:38,080 --> 05:15:39,920
mean is it

6864
05:15:39,920 --> 05:15:41,680
>> uh Mr. Chair, Commissioner Kirkman

6865
05:15:41,680 --> 05:15:44,160
>> without divulging any proprietary

6866
05:15:44,160 --> 05:15:46,000
>> I think I mean so [laughter]

6867
05:15:46,000 --> 05:15:47,680
I work at an engineering firm or a

6868
05:15:47,680 --> 05:15:49,440
consultant for developers who do this

6869
05:15:49,440 --> 05:15:51,280
kind of work all the time and so I think

6870
05:15:51,280 --> 05:15:53,680
a lot of times it's sometimes they just

6871
05:15:53,680 --> 05:15:56,320
know and one of the property owners in

6872
05:15:56,320 --> 05:15:57,920
this is a real estate broker so they

6873
05:15:57,920 --> 05:16:00,160
have a really good feel for you know

6874
05:16:00,160 --> 05:16:02,560
what the uh market is calling for what

6875
05:16:02,560 --> 05:16:04,400
the current trends are and then I think

6876
05:16:04,400 --> 05:16:06,240
a lot of them are really involved with

6877
05:16:06,240 --> 05:16:08,718
planning processes and understand what

6878
05:16:08,718 --> 05:16:10,798
decisions are made and and from those

6879
05:16:10,798 --> 05:16:12,638
decisions a lot of times land uses are

6880
05:16:12,638 --> 05:16:16,080
determined so um I might be a bit above

6881
05:16:16,080 --> 05:16:18,560
my abilities or pay grade to understand

6882
05:16:18,560 --> 05:16:20,958
exactly what decisions go into that.

6883
05:16:20,958 --> 05:16:23,280
That's a question I get a lot of people

6884
05:16:23,280 --> 05:16:25,920
just asking why why so many developments

6885
05:16:25,920 --> 05:16:27,840
I mean and it is there's concerns with

6886
05:16:27,840 --> 05:16:29,840
the comments that we've seen of you know

6887
05:16:29,840 --> 05:16:31,520
do we have the infrastructure to support

6888
05:16:31,520 --> 05:16:32,718
it and

6889
05:16:32,718 --> 05:16:35,040
>> does it does growth pay for itself and

6890
05:16:35,040 --> 05:16:36,958
we all know that that you know the

6891
05:16:36,958 --> 05:16:37,920
answer to that and

6892
05:16:37,920 --> 05:16:38,480
>> sure

6893
05:16:38,480 --> 05:16:43,120
>> it doesn't pay for itself no it does not

6894
05:16:43,120 --> 05:16:43,840
>> it helps

6895
05:16:43,840 --> 05:16:44,958
>> be a little careful

6896
05:16:44,958 --> 05:16:48,240
>> but it doesn't pay for itself

6897
05:16:48,240 --> 05:16:50,560
um but we just see all and I I think

6898
05:16:50,560 --> 05:16:53,280
there's some legitimate concerns with a

6899
05:16:53,280 --> 05:16:54,798
lot of especially with a lot of these

6900
05:16:54,798 --> 05:16:56,560
big

6901
05:16:56,560 --> 05:16:59,200
um developments going in.

6902
05:16:59,200 --> 05:17:00,958
>> So anyway, it's more of a curiosity

6903
05:17:00,958 --> 05:17:03,600
question than anything else because

6904
05:17:03,600 --> 05:17:06,560
and along with that the the commercial

6905
05:17:06,560 --> 05:17:09,360
node at the center of this is

6906
05:17:09,360 --> 05:17:11,280
>> do you anticipate

6907
05:17:11,280 --> 05:17:14,240
probably seeing more like box stores or

6908
05:17:14,240 --> 05:17:16,480
more of a village feel or something to

6909
05:17:16,480 --> 05:17:17,600
that?

6910
05:17:17,600 --> 05:17:20,480
>> Mr. Chair Commissioner Kirkman um to

6911
05:17:20,480 --> 05:17:22,160
comment on the size of the project just

6912
05:17:22,160 --> 05:17:25,360
really quick. So this isund what is it

6913
05:17:25,360 --> 05:17:27,840
130 acres? I can't remember offh hand.

6914
05:17:27,840 --> 05:17:29,520
So that's roughly I mean most of the

6915
05:17:29,520 --> 05:17:31,760
subdivisions around 40 to 80 acres. So

6916
05:17:31,760 --> 05:17:33,600
it's not huge but it is a good

6917
05:17:33,600 --> 05:17:35,520
collection of property I think to make a

6918
05:17:35,520 --> 05:17:37,600
comprehensively planned project which is

6919
05:17:37,600 --> 05:17:39,760
a cool opportunity. Um

6920
05:17:39,760 --> 05:17:41,600
>> the commercial component they really

6921
05:17:41,600 --> 05:17:43,120
envision being similar to the

6922
05:17:43,120 --> 05:17:45,360
Albertson's that's over off of Amity and

6923
05:17:45,360 --> 05:17:48,080
Eagle. So, kind of a, you know, that's a

6924
05:17:48,080 --> 05:17:49,520
really great amenity for folks over

6925
05:17:49,520 --> 05:17:51,360
there that didn't have any commercial

6926
05:17:51,360 --> 05:17:54,560
really options. Um, and it's not huge,

6927
05:17:54,560 --> 05:17:56,160
but they do have some other kind of

6928
05:17:56,160 --> 05:17:57,680
ancillary

6929
05:17:57,680 --> 05:18:00,000
uh retail and some smaller restaurants.

6930
05:18:00,000 --> 05:18:01,600
That's what they're envisioning here.

6931
05:18:01,600 --> 05:18:03,120
And we did include some design

6932
05:18:03,120 --> 05:18:05,040
guidelines in our um application that

6933
05:18:05,040 --> 05:18:07,120
they'd be held to. So, some different

6934
05:18:07,120 --> 05:18:09,440
architectural stylings and color, you

6935
05:18:09,440 --> 05:18:12,080
know, schemes that uh will give it its

6936
05:18:12,080 --> 05:18:15,040
own unique feel. And the idea was to try

6937
05:18:15,040 --> 05:18:18,560
to, you know, embrace the heritage of

6938
05:18:18,560 --> 05:18:20,480
Damp in this area recognizing it's an

6939
05:18:20,480 --> 05:18:23,120
important area for the T for city. So,

6940
05:18:23,120 --> 05:18:25,914
>> okay. Thank you.

6941
05:18:25,914 --> 05:18:30,150
[clears throat]

6942
05:18:30,160 --> 05:18:32,400
» Good.

6943
05:18:32,400 --> 05:18:33,360
Okay.

6944
05:18:33,360 --> 05:18:34,320
>> Thank you.

6945
05:18:34,320 --> 05:18:36,400
>> You have something to add, Rodney,

6946
05:18:36,400 --> 05:18:37,120
please.

6947
05:18:37,120 --> 05:18:40,560
>> Mr. Jared, I just had two questions that

6948
05:18:40,560 --> 05:18:44,560
were from the um the public. Will they

6949
05:18:44,560 --> 05:18:46,718
tile Oh, I guess we talked about the

6950
05:18:46,718 --> 05:18:49,520
tiling. Uh development agreement.

6951
05:18:49,520 --> 05:18:51,600
>> Do you want me to respond to that one,

6952
05:18:51,600 --> 05:18:52,320
>> please?

6953
05:18:52,320 --> 05:18:54,878
>> Um so, a development agreement in most

6954
05:18:54,878 --> 05:18:57,360
cases is developed as we have this

6955
05:18:57,360 --> 05:19:00,240
discussion in a public hearing. Um it

6956
05:19:00,240 --> 05:19:03,280
will be a decision by city council as

6957
05:19:03,280 --> 05:19:05,360
well. So you can recommend a development

6958
05:19:05,360 --> 05:19:08,160
agreement and you can include certain

6959
05:19:08,160 --> 05:19:10,000
conditions to be placed in that

6960
05:19:10,000 --> 05:19:12,000
development agreement. We don't have a

6961
05:19:12,000 --> 05:19:14,798
development agreement developed yet.

6962
05:19:14,798 --> 05:19:18,080
It's part of this process. Um but I did

6963
05:19:18,080 --> 05:19:20,160
put in the staff report a list of

6964
05:19:20,160 --> 05:19:22,400
conditions that I would recommend we

6965
05:19:22,400 --> 05:19:24,000
place in that development agreement. And

6966
05:19:24,000 --> 05:19:25,840
then we have a standard template that we

6967
05:19:25,840 --> 05:19:29,040
use for legal ease.

6968
05:19:29,040 --> 05:19:32,080
>> Thank you for the clarification, Rodney.

6969
05:19:32,080 --> 05:19:36,708
Close

6970
05:19:36,718 --> 05:19:37,600
the public hearing.

6971
05:19:37,600 --> 05:19:38,718
>> Second.

6972
05:19:38,718 --> 05:19:40,240
>> Been moved by Commissioner Morgan,

6973
05:19:40,240 --> 05:19:41,760
second by Kirkman to close the public

6974
05:19:41,760 --> 05:19:43,120
hearing. All those in favor?

6975
05:19:43,120 --> 05:19:43,920
>> I.

6976
05:19:43,920 --> 05:19:45,840
>> Any opposed?

6977
05:19:45,840 --> 05:19:49,920
Okay. Public hearing is closed.

6978
05:19:49,920 --> 05:19:51,280
>> Yes.

6979
05:19:51,280 --> 05:19:54,996
>> Rodney and friends. Um

6980
05:19:54,996 --> 05:19:55,760
[laughter]

6981
05:19:55,760 --> 05:19:57,920
you guys you guys showed us a really

6982
05:19:57,920 --> 05:20:03,200
cool tool a couple weeks ago about um

6983
05:20:03,200 --> 05:20:05,360
Kirkham's bold statement that growth

6984
05:20:05,360 --> 05:20:08,320
does not pay for growth.

6985
05:20:08,320 --> 05:20:12,000
>> No, I didn't say I said

6986
05:20:12,000 --> 05:20:16,948
>> go back. Rewind the tape.

6987
05:20:16,958 --> 05:20:18,638
» Can we see that? Why why don't we have

6988
05:20:18,638 --> 05:20:20,160
that yet? It's not ready.

6989
05:20:20,160 --> 05:20:22,958
>> We It's not quite ready. Um,

6990
05:20:22,958 --> 05:20:24,480
>> this would be a great

6991
05:20:24,480 --> 05:20:28,718
>> It would be great. Um, and we don't want

6992
05:20:28,718 --> 05:20:31,200
to release something unless we're really

6993
05:20:31,200 --> 05:20:35,360
certain it's accurate. We don't want,

6994
05:20:35,360 --> 05:20:38,320
you know, we don't want council

6995
05:20:38,320 --> 05:20:42,000
um debating whether this is um an

6996
05:20:42,000 --> 05:20:46,000
accurate tool and some people siding on

6997
05:20:46,000 --> 05:20:48,798
one side saying, "Yeah, it looks good

6998
05:20:48,798 --> 05:20:52,560
because it gets what I want or the other

6999
05:20:52,560 --> 05:20:55,440
side and saying, hey, this this is wrong

7000
05:20:55,440 --> 05:20:56,958
because

7001
05:20:56,958 --> 05:20:57,200
um

7002
05:20:57,200 --> 05:20:58,000
>> I don't agree.

7003
05:20:58,000 --> 05:20:59,760
with the process or the

7004
05:20:59,760 --> 05:21:02,320
methodology." So, we're trying to refine

7005
05:21:02,320 --> 05:21:05,040
it enough to make sure that we poked all

7006
05:21:05,040 --> 05:21:12,798
the holes in it and made sure that it's solid. So, we um we're considering

7007
05:21:12,798 --> 05:21:16,000
right now maybe even having like a third

7008
05:21:16,000 --> 05:21:18,400
party just look at it and say, "What did

7009
05:21:18,400 --> 05:21:21,680
we miss?" You know, did um one of the

7010
05:21:21,680 --> 05:21:22,240
things

7011
05:21:22,240 --> 05:21:23,920
>> Can I pause you for a second? I jumped

7012
05:21:23,920 --> 05:21:25,680
in there. For those who don't know,

7013
05:21:25,680 --> 05:21:28,638
there was a meeting last week, city

7014
05:21:28,638 --> 05:21:30,798
council, an early morning meeting where

7015
05:21:30,798 --> 05:21:32,958
the city's budget department presented a

7016
05:21:32,958 --> 05:21:34,560
tool they're developing that helps

7017
05:21:34,560 --> 05:21:38,638
analyze developments more accurately

7018
05:21:38,638 --> 05:21:40,878
like the costs of the development to the

7019
05:21:40,878 --> 05:21:44,560
city and the re not rewards isn't the

7020
05:21:44,560 --> 05:21:45,920
right word, the revenue.

7021
05:21:45,920 --> 05:21:47,360
>> The revenue cost. Yeah.

7022
05:21:47,360 --> 05:21:49,440
>> And and basically

7023
05:21:49,440 --> 05:21:51,040
>> what's the balance is does it pay for

7024
05:21:51,040 --> 05:21:53,600
itself or does it not? And

7025
05:21:53,600 --> 05:21:54,798
>> the answer depends a lot on the

7026
05:21:54,798 --> 05:21:56,080
variables you punch in.

7027
05:21:56,080 --> 05:22:01,120
>> Absolutely. Yeah. And we were really conservative in all the

7028
05:22:01,120 --> 05:22:05,840
assumptions we put in there. Um but you

7029
05:22:05,840 --> 05:22:08,400
know when we start refining those

7030
05:22:08,400 --> 05:22:10,480
assumptions and saying well this isn't

7031
05:22:10,480 --> 05:22:12,798
quite accurate then we need to refine

7032
05:22:12,798 --> 05:22:15,600
more assumptions and it it gets a little

7033
05:22:15,600 --> 05:22:18,718
bit tricky. So what amount of

7034
05:22:18,718 --> 05:22:21,440
specificity are we comfortable with? And

7035
05:22:21,440 --> 05:22:22,958
that's that's what we're working on

7036
05:22:22,958 --> 05:22:23,440
right now.

7037
05:22:23,440 --> 05:22:24,958
>> So that you're not comfortable enough in

7038
05:22:24,958 --> 05:22:26,000
the tool to

7039
05:22:26,000 --> 05:22:28,958
>> to release it. No, we we also want to do

7040
05:22:28,958 --> 05:22:32,080
a test run of a development and maybe

7041
05:22:32,080 --> 05:22:34,480
even do one that's existed that we've

7042
05:22:34,480 --> 05:22:37,920
already um developed and then it kind of

7043
05:22:37,920 --> 05:22:41,200
gives us a sense of did it actually

7044
05:22:41,200 --> 05:22:46,240
estimate. Well, so thank you.

7045
05:22:46,240 --> 05:22:48,080
>> I have the floor. Can I call Daniel up

7046
05:22:48,080 --> 05:22:48,718
please?

7047
05:22:48,718 --> 05:22:51,440
>> Please. And would you speak to any

7048
05:22:51,440 --> 05:22:52,958
roadway improvements that are already

7049
05:22:52,958 --> 05:22:58,550
planned for this area, please?

7050
05:22:58,560 --> 05:23:01,360
» So, we don't have anything in the

7051
05:23:01,360 --> 05:23:04,320
five-year plan for for Midway at this

7052
05:23:04,320 --> 05:23:06,320
point. Um there are a number of

7053
05:23:06,320 --> 05:23:09,440
developments that are proposed out there

7054
05:23:09,440 --> 05:23:12,160
that will ultimately do traffic impact

7055
05:23:12,160 --> 05:23:15,040
studies that may trigger improvements

7056
05:23:15,040 --> 05:23:17,600
um if they are approved and um go

7057
05:23:17,600 --> 05:23:19,360
forward just like this development.

7058
05:23:19,360 --> 05:23:21,360
We'll have to do those analysis and

7059
05:23:21,360 --> 05:23:23,760
would likely trigger um improvements

7060
05:23:23,760 --> 05:23:26,958
associated with it as well. Um but as

7061
05:23:26,958 --> 05:23:28,878
for a

7062
05:23:28,878 --> 05:23:31,280
wholesale, we're widening midway to five

7063
05:23:31,280 --> 05:23:34,000
lanes. um that that's not something

7064
05:23:34,000 --> 05:23:36,480
that's in the in the five-year plan at

7065
05:23:36,480 --> 05:23:38,798
this point. Again, we are working on our

7066
05:23:38,798 --> 05:23:41,440
transportation master plan that will go

7067
05:23:41,440 --> 05:23:44,878
through and do those analyses and and

7068
05:23:44,878 --> 05:23:46,958
identify where the priority corridors

7069
05:23:46,958 --> 05:23:51,200
are and and re um set our our projects

7070
05:23:51,200 --> 05:23:53,520
list.

7071
05:23:53,520 --> 05:23:56,320
>> Well, can I get something from Daniel

7072
05:23:56,320 --> 05:23:58,798
really quick? Um, can you address the

7073
05:23:58,798 --> 05:24:00,958
one property owner that lives just north

7074
05:24:00,958 --> 05:24:04,160
of the park on Midway and what we could

7075
05:24:04,160 --> 05:24:06,798
possibly do to address the noise and

7076
05:24:06,798 --> 05:24:09,920
mitigate for him, I believe he's in the

7077
05:24:09,920 --> 05:24:11,440
county, so there's not a whole lot we

7078
05:24:11,440 --> 05:24:14,638
can do. So, so until we are doing actual

7079
05:24:14,638 --> 05:24:17,680
design um plans and looking at project

7080
05:24:17,680 --> 05:24:21,200
property specific uh when we do do those

7081
05:24:21,200 --> 05:24:25,040
designs, we are looking at how do we

7082
05:24:25,040 --> 05:24:27,280
minimize our impacts to existing

7083
05:24:27,280 --> 05:24:31,120
property owners. Um not I did not pull

7084
05:24:31,120 --> 05:24:33,920
up that address so I don't know um

7085
05:24:33,920 --> 05:24:36,638
specifically what the situation is.

7086
05:24:36,638 --> 05:24:41,360
There are times where the um

7087
05:24:41,360 --> 05:24:42,958
depending on the vintage of the

7088
05:24:42,958 --> 05:24:45,360
development that they are in, what those

7089
05:24:45,360 --> 05:24:48,000
setbacks were required to be can be

7090
05:24:48,000 --> 05:24:50,798
challenging on that. Um I'm happy to

7091
05:24:50,798 --> 05:24:53,840
talk with him and and talk over where um

7092
05:24:53,840 --> 05:24:56,000
we would anticipate those rideway lines

7093
05:24:56,000 --> 05:24:58,400
are. So if he's putting improvements in

7094
05:24:58,400 --> 05:25:00,240
that he's not putting in pro

7095
05:25:00,240 --> 05:25:02,480
improvements that we then have to go

7096
05:25:02,480 --> 05:25:06,240
purchase in the future um to to minimize

7097
05:25:06,240 --> 05:25:10,400
those impacts. Um but ultimately um

7098
05:25:10,400 --> 05:25:12,480
those are those are things we do on

7099
05:25:12,480 --> 05:25:15,520
every single project on a mile or half

7100
05:25:15,520 --> 05:25:18,400
mile section road when we go to

7101
05:25:18,400 --> 05:25:21,360
transform it from a rural two-lane

7102
05:25:21,360 --> 05:25:24,160
section to an you know the urban urban

7103
05:25:24,160 --> 05:25:26,958
section that it ultimately needs to be.

7104
05:25:26,958 --> 05:25:29,840
>> Thanks.

7105
05:25:29,840 --> 05:25:32,320
Why are you there? [laughter]

7106
05:25:32,320 --> 05:25:35,200
>> Um, there was something about there was

7107
05:25:35,200 --> 05:25:37,840
a project about a month and a half ago

7108
05:25:37,840 --> 05:25:42,718
or so and Midway was brought up and the

7109
05:25:42,718 --> 05:25:46,000
redoing of it and if they wanted to do

7110
05:25:46,000 --> 05:25:47,280
improvements, they had to go

7111
05:25:47,280 --> 05:25:50,480
underground. Will that be over or is

7112
05:25:50,480 --> 05:25:52,878
this even in in that area where Midway

7113
05:25:52,878 --> 05:25:55,760
was improved?

7114
05:25:55,760 --> 05:26:00,560
>> I'm not remembering that. Um, the only

7115
05:26:00,560 --> 05:26:04,000
things we've had out on Midway recently

7116
05:26:04,000 --> 05:26:06,638
have been the proposal for the Grace

7117
05:26:06,638 --> 05:26:07,360
Bible Church.

7118
05:26:07,360 --> 05:26:09,360
>> I believe that was it. And there and for

7119
05:26:09,360 --> 05:26:11,040
them to get their utilities, they

7120
05:26:11,040 --> 05:26:13,120
everything had to be underground.

7121
05:26:13,120 --> 05:26:14,000
>> So there was

7122
05:26:14,000 --> 05:26:16,080
>> because of an improvement to Midway up

7123
05:26:16,080 --> 05:26:17,440
to a certain point.

7124
05:26:17,440 --> 05:26:21,360
>> There was a comment from someone asking

7125
05:26:21,360 --> 05:26:24,000
whether or not they would we would

7126
05:26:24,000 --> 05:26:26,000
require the power lines to be put

7127
05:26:26,000 --> 05:26:28,480
underground. if I remember correctly and

7128
05:26:28,480 --> 05:26:30,638
that is not something that the city

7129
05:26:30,638 --> 05:26:35,920
dictates. Um so aerial power is fine. Um

7130
05:26:35,920 --> 05:26:38,400
obviously the other utilities and stuff

7131
05:26:38,400 --> 05:26:40,718
pretty much everybody but power goes

7132
05:26:40,718 --> 05:26:42,718
underground. I'm just I'm recalling

7133
05:26:42,718 --> 05:26:44,958
something about the repaving of it and

7134
05:26:44,958 --> 05:26:46,400
since it was done

7135
05:26:46,400 --> 05:26:51,360
>> so [snorts] okay so that um there was

7136
05:26:51,360 --> 05:26:55,840
work done by uh canyon for highway

7137
05:26:55,840 --> 05:26:58,480
district number four um when those

7138
05:26:58,480 --> 05:27:02,320
properties come into the city um we we

7139
05:27:02,320 --> 05:27:05,760
have jurisdiction over those their codes

7140
05:27:05,760 --> 05:27:09,040
require a four fiveyear moratorum

7141
05:27:09,040 --> 05:27:12,320
um on on things our codes do not have

7142
05:27:12,320 --> 05:27:14,718
that. Uh we do have patch requirements

7143
05:27:14,718 --> 05:27:17,280
and those types of things for that. Um

7144
05:27:17,280 --> 05:27:19,600
but no, that that's not something that's

7145
05:27:19,600 --> 05:27:33,190
in city code.

7146
05:27:33,200 --> 05:27:34,958
» Well, you guys, you're all running

7147
05:27:34,958 --> 05:27:38,638
around the mouth. Um, you know, let let

7148
05:27:38,638 --> 05:27:42,400
>> I got a I I mean, the city the staff

7149
05:27:42,400 --> 05:27:44,558
were did a lot of outreach to develop

7150
05:27:44,558 --> 05:27:47,040
these specific area plans and reached

7151
05:27:47,040 --> 05:27:48,798
out to the communities, had a lot of

7152
05:27:48,798 --> 05:27:51,360
community input and stuff on them. This

7153
05:27:51,360 --> 05:27:53,360
one, the other ones around Highway 16

7154
05:27:53,360 --> 05:27:56,160
and Eustic and stuff. And I if I

7155
05:27:56,160 --> 05:27:57,440
remember right, there was a lot of

7156
05:27:57,440 --> 05:28:01,200
comments from people that wanted

7157
05:28:01,200 --> 05:28:03,760
some business centers, some shopping and

7158
05:28:03,760 --> 05:28:05,840
stuff down there because they had to

7159
05:28:05,840 --> 05:28:08,798
drive so far. So, and it's not going to

7160
05:28:08,798 --> 05:28:11,120
happen until the rooftops get there. But

7161
05:28:11,120 --> 05:28:12,878
it would be nice. I mean, there's no

7162
05:28:12,878 --> 05:28:14,400
store or anything down that area. If you

7163
05:28:14,400 --> 05:28:17,600
could get a local grocery store and few

7164
05:28:17,600 --> 05:28:19,200
restaurants and stuff, they wouldn't

7165
05:28:19,200 --> 05:28:21,600
have to drive forever. But there was a,

7166
05:28:21,600 --> 05:28:23,040
if I remember right, there was quite a

7167
05:28:23,040 --> 05:28:25,920
few comments of people wanting

7168
05:28:25,920 --> 05:28:27,680
some business in the area so they didn't

7169
05:28:27,680 --> 05:28:29,760
have to drive clear across town,

7170
05:28:29,760 --> 05:28:31,200
>> especially the car.

7171
05:28:31,200 --> 05:28:32,400
>> Yeah. Yeah.

7172
05:28:32,400 --> 05:28:34,160
>> Well, I think the comments, the negative

7173
05:28:34,160 --> 05:28:36,638
comments about commercial, um, a lot of

7174
05:28:36,638 --> 05:28:37,840
people just don't understand what

7175
05:28:37,840 --> 05:28:41,360
commercial would do.

7176
05:28:41,360 --> 05:28:44,798
Um, and they assume that it will

7177
05:28:44,798 --> 05:28:46,400
increase traffic when actually it does

7178
05:28:46,400 --> 05:28:48,240
just the opposite because people that

7179
05:28:48,240 --> 05:28:50,400
live in the area tend to travel less

7180
05:28:50,400 --> 05:28:52,480
distance to that said commercial

7181
05:28:52,480 --> 05:28:55,920
property. So there isn't the effect on

7182
05:28:55,920 --> 05:28:57,600
the entire city that there is if there's

7183
05:28:57,600 --> 05:28:59,040
not that

7184
05:28:59,040 --> 05:29:01,600
>> and there there plan to do the

7185
05:29:01,600 --> 05:29:03,440
commercial and the real high high

7186
05:29:03,440 --> 05:29:05,200
density up against it and then pays that

7187
05:29:05,200 --> 05:29:08,080
down to town homes and then go to the

7188
05:29:08,080 --> 05:29:11,040
single family. I like the plan. I think

7189
05:29:11,040 --> 05:29:12,718
it's what we're trying to get these

7190
05:29:12,718 --> 05:29:15,120
areas to do. But

7191
05:29:15,120 --> 05:29:16,798
I think they did a good job addressing

7192
05:29:16,798 --> 05:29:18,798
what our

7193
05:29:18,798 --> 05:29:21,280
scope of that area that plan was for.

7194
05:29:21,280 --> 05:29:22,558
And I think they've done a good job at

7195
05:29:22,558 --> 05:29:23,840
addressing it. But

7196
05:29:23,840 --> 05:29:25,120
>> well, I think it took a lot of time

7197
05:29:25,120 --> 05:29:27,200
putting this area plan together. I mean,

7198
05:29:27,200 --> 05:29:27,520
it was

7199
05:29:27,520 --> 05:29:30,320
>> it did was quite a while. If I remember

7200
05:29:30,320 --> 05:29:32,878
right, staff worked on it. So,

7201
05:29:32,878 --> 05:29:34,558
>> but

7202
05:29:34,558 --> 05:29:38,080
I'm I'm I like it. I'm for it. But and

7203
05:29:38,080 --> 05:29:40,080
it's it's not happening over the next

7204
05:29:40,080 --> 05:29:42,638
two years. It's they'll be still

7205
05:29:42,638 --> 05:29:44,480
building there seven, eight years from

7206
05:29:44,480 --> 05:29:45,680
now. So,

7207
05:29:45,680 --> 05:29:47,360
>> or more.

7208
05:29:47,360 --> 05:29:50,958
>> Yeah. Or more. [clears throat]

7209
05:29:50,958 --> 05:30:02,178
Um, I agree with all

7210
05:30:02,188 --> 05:30:04,470
[clears throat]

7211
05:30:04,480 --> 05:30:07,280
» 11:30. Give me a break.

7212
05:30:07,280 --> 05:30:11,920
>> Um, I agree with all chairman Turner

7213
05:30:11,920 --> 05:30:14,480
sentiments. However, I feel like I have

7214
05:30:14,480 --> 05:30:17,360
a hard time with these kinds of plans

7215
05:30:17,360 --> 05:30:20,160
because

7216
05:30:20,160 --> 05:30:22,160
like has been stated, annexation and

7217
05:30:22,160 --> 05:30:24,000
zoning is our when we have the most

7218
05:30:24,000 --> 05:30:25,600
discretion,

7219
05:30:25,600 --> 05:30:27,120
but we have the least amount of

7220
05:30:27,120 --> 05:30:29,120
information. You know what I mean? Like

7221
05:30:29,120 --> 05:30:31,680
when we don't we don't know. We we think

7222
05:30:31,680 --> 05:30:33,040
they're going to put the bigger lots

7223
05:30:33,040 --> 05:30:35,440
next to the existing residential, but we

7224
05:30:35,440 --> 05:30:36,958
don't know that. And by the time the

7225
05:30:36,958 --> 05:30:39,920
plaque comes, we have less

7226
05:30:39,920 --> 05:30:42,480
discretion, I would say.

7227
05:30:42,480 --> 05:30:45,830
>> And

7228
05:30:45,840 --> 05:30:46,160
go ahead.

7229
05:30:46,160 --> 05:30:47,600
>> Maybe I'm out of turn. He's gonna

7230
05:30:47,600 --> 05:30:49,600
correct me. Go ahead.

7231
05:30:49,600 --> 05:30:50,798
>> Actually, I'm just going to ask a

7232
05:30:50,798 --> 05:30:54,000
question. Are you talking about the lock

7233
05:30:54,000 --> 05:30:56,558
compatibility requirements we have in

7234
05:30:56,558 --> 05:30:57,440
code?

7235
05:30:57,440 --> 05:30:59,680
>> I'm just I'm just saying like it's a big

7236
05:30:59,680 --> 05:31:02,480
blob of RS4, which could be a lot of

7237
05:31:02,480 --> 05:31:05,920
things. And I don't know, do we still

7238
05:31:05,920 --> 05:31:08,480
have

7239
05:31:08,480 --> 05:31:10,958
what I understand is this is our this is

7240
05:31:10,958 --> 05:31:18,708
our moment of greatest discretion.

7241
05:31:18,718 --> 05:31:20,798
So, our code specifically addresses

7242
05:31:20,798 --> 05:31:23,200
compatibility when it's adjacent to a

7243
05:31:23,200 --> 05:31:25,840
previously platted subdivision.

7244
05:31:25,840 --> 05:31:29,360
>> So, where the RS4 is on the west side

7245
05:31:29,360 --> 05:31:32,000
against the existing uh residential

7246
05:31:32,000 --> 05:31:32,798
lots,

7247
05:31:32,798 --> 05:31:33,200
>> yeah,

7248
05:31:33,200 --> 05:31:34,798
>> there may be some compatibility

7249
05:31:34,798 --> 05:31:36,160
requirements on that side.

7250
05:31:36,160 --> 05:31:37,440
>> That's a really good example.

7251
05:31:37,440 --> 05:31:40,400
>> Yeah. And so I think that if memory

7252
05:31:40,400 --> 05:31:42,638
serves me correctly, the RS4

7253
05:31:42,638 --> 05:31:44,638
compatibility requirement is 8,000

7254
05:31:44,638 --> 05:31:46,480
square feet.

7255
05:31:46,480 --> 05:31:47,920
>> Okay, that's and that's what I'm getting

7256
05:31:47,920 --> 05:31:50,160
at is maybe even 8,000 is a little too

7257
05:31:50,160 --> 05:31:50,878
small

7258
05:31:50,878 --> 05:31:54,320
>> for you know and and so maybe some more

7259
05:31:54,320 --> 05:31:56,000
um

7260
05:31:56,000 --> 05:31:58,718
granularity a word, right?

7261
05:31:58,718 --> 05:32:01,120
>> I think you know you know you know what

7262
05:32:01,120 --> 05:32:02,000
I'm trying to say.

7263
05:32:02,000 --> 05:32:03,760
>> Since this is a master plan community,

7264
05:32:03,760 --> 05:32:07,040
you have some flexibility in

7265
05:32:07,040 --> 05:32:09,680
um in lot sizes and what you would

7266
05:32:09,680 --> 05:32:12,080
approve. That's the definition of the

7267
05:32:12,080 --> 05:32:13,840
master plan community is that you have

7268
05:32:13,840 --> 05:32:16,558
that flexibility. So in your development

7269
05:32:16,558 --> 05:32:19,120
agreement, you could outline that the

7270
05:32:19,120 --> 05:32:20,638
properties on the west have to be a

7271
05:32:20,638 --> 05:32:24,240
certain size or maybe even

7272
05:32:24,240 --> 05:32:27,600
I don't know just um the setbacks might

7273
05:32:27,600 --> 05:32:29,360
be larger. There might be a landscape

7274
05:32:29,360 --> 05:32:31,120
buffer or there might be you know some

7275
05:32:31,120 --> 05:32:32,558
different things that might transition

7276
05:32:32,558 --> 05:32:34,878
better to those lot sizes that you would

7277
05:32:34,878 --> 05:32:37,040
prefer. Those are all conditions you can

7278
05:32:37,040 --> 05:32:38,958
put in the in the development agreement.

7279
05:32:38,958 --> 05:32:40,798
>> We just talk a lot about diversity of

7280
05:32:40,798 --> 05:32:43,120
housing types and this looks like this

7281
05:32:43,120 --> 05:32:45,920
looks to me like two housing types. I'm

7282
05:32:45,920 --> 05:32:47,920
not sure I'm sure that it'll be more

7283
05:32:47,920 --> 05:32:50,320
than that, but we can't see that at this

7284
05:32:50,320 --> 05:32:52,718
point. And so when it comes to their

7285
05:32:52,718 --> 05:32:55,760
preliminary plat and if if I'm sitting

7286
05:32:55,760 --> 05:32:58,558
up here and I say this is not enough

7287
05:32:58,558 --> 05:33:00,718
housing diversity,

7288
05:33:00,718 --> 05:33:02,320
is there anything I can do at that point

7289
05:33:02,320 --> 05:33:09,120
or is it just quasi judicial and they meet code and you're done.

7290
05:33:09,120 --> 05:33:13,520
>> So there was a lot there. Sorry. Um Mr.

7291
05:33:13,520 --> 05:33:16,724
Chair and commissioner, I I um

7292
05:33:16,724 --> 05:33:18,160
[clears throat] a couple of things.

7293
05:33:18,160 --> 05:33:20,240
First of all, maybe we need to address

7294
05:33:20,240 --> 05:33:22,638
some of the type of housing that they're

7295
05:33:22,638 --> 05:33:25,040
proposing. I saw on their slide that

7296
05:33:25,040 --> 05:33:28,558
they're proposing um some attached and

7297
05:33:28,558 --> 05:33:30,878
some detached.

7298
05:33:30,878 --> 05:33:33,840
And so that's one difference that you

7299
05:33:33,840 --> 05:33:36,958
could see in diversity of housing. Um,

7300
05:33:36,958 --> 05:33:40,320
but then yeah, you can put if you want a

7301
05:33:40,320 --> 05:33:42,798
principle in there to use against the

7302
05:33:42,798 --> 05:33:45,520
preliminary plat, you can put that in

7303
05:33:45,520 --> 05:33:47,360
the DA so that [clears throat] when the

7304
05:33:47,360 --> 05:33:49,200
preliminary plaque comes forward, you

7305
05:33:49,200 --> 05:33:51,760
say, "Yeah, we put that statement in

7306
05:33:51,760 --> 05:33:54,718
there because we wanted to see this and

7307
05:33:54,718 --> 05:33:57,600
you don't quite match what we're we were

7308
05:33:57,600 --> 05:33:59,600
saying." you know, you have some

7309
05:33:59,600 --> 05:34:02,718
discretion to to approve or deny that

7310
05:34:02,718 --> 05:34:06,000
based on its compatibility or uh

7311
05:34:06,000 --> 05:34:07,680
compliance with the development

7312
05:34:07,680 --> 05:34:11,190
agreement.

7313
05:34:11,200 --> 05:34:14,798
» Thank you. That answers my

7314
05:34:14,798 --> 05:34:16,638
>> And my question for the group then, I

7315
05:34:16,638 --> 05:34:18,798
guess, do you guys have any concerns

7316
05:34:18,798 --> 05:34:21,760
with that 20% increase that they're

7317
05:34:21,760 --> 05:34:24,080
asking for? No, because like I don't

7318
05:34:24,080 --> 05:34:25,600
because like she was saying they want to

7319
05:34:25,600 --> 05:34:28,080
try to increase the from what I the way

7320
05:34:28,080 --> 05:34:31,760
I understood it the multif family up

7321
05:34:31,760 --> 05:34:33,840
next to the commercial and then phase it

7322
05:34:33,840 --> 05:34:35,760
down as she goes out towards the single

7323
05:34:35,760 --> 05:34:37,760
family. So I think that's where she's

7324
05:34:37,760 --> 05:34:39,520
trying if I understood her correctly

7325
05:34:39,520 --> 05:34:41,280
that's where they're trying to get add

7326
05:34:41,280 --> 05:34:43,200
that higher density is up against the

7327
05:34:43,200 --> 05:34:45,760
commercial and work out from it. So

7328
05:34:45,760 --> 05:34:47,840
couldn't So would the average over the

7329
05:34:47,840 --> 05:34:52,150
whole thing still be at 12?

7330
05:34:52,160 --> 05:34:54,000
» That makes sense what I'm saying.

7331
05:34:54,000 --> 05:34:56,320
>> Mr. Chair, I I think I need to jump in

7332
05:34:56,320 --> 05:34:58,000
here because I I heard a couple of

7333
05:34:58,000 --> 05:35:01,440
comments like that in uh the public

7334
05:35:01,440 --> 05:35:03,680
presentations. We need to make sure that

7335
05:35:03,680 --> 05:35:05,520
this is very clear. They are only

7336
05:35:05,520 --> 05:35:08,638
requesting a 20% increase to their

7337
05:35:08,638 --> 05:35:11,840
highdensity residential designation. So

7338
05:35:11,840 --> 05:35:15,680
that goes to 14 dwelling units per acre.

7339
05:35:15,680 --> 05:35:17,040
Is that right? 20

7340
05:35:17,040 --> 05:35:18,320
>> 14.4.

7341
05:35:18,320 --> 05:35:23,360
>> Yeah, 14.4. Um, so that's the only one.

7342
05:35:23,360 --> 05:35:25,840
And then yeah, you could you could put

7343
05:35:25,840 --> 05:35:28,718
restrictions on, hey, it up against

7344
05:35:28,718 --> 05:35:32,798
those lots that are a large lot, single

7345
05:35:32,798 --> 05:35:34,958
family. You could put restrictions on

7346
05:35:34,958 --> 05:35:36,638
those to say, hey, it has to be a

7347
05:35:36,638 --> 05:35:38,798
certain size lot. From

7348
05:35:38,798 --> 05:35:40,240
>> what I understood when she was

7349
05:35:40,240 --> 05:35:42,240
explaining it, that's what they were

7350
05:35:42,240 --> 05:35:43,360
going to do. And then as they got out

7351
05:35:43,360 --> 05:35:44,718
towards the single family, they were

7352
05:35:44,718 --> 05:35:47,200
going to even do some town homes. So

7353
05:35:47,200 --> 05:35:49,360
they're they're stepping down,

7354
05:35:49,360 --> 05:35:51,920
>> which is what we want them to do.

7355
05:35:51,920 --> 05:35:52,400
>> Okay.

7356
05:35:52,400 --> 05:35:55,040
>> Yeah. And I think if they're developing

7357
05:35:55,040 --> 05:35:56,160
the whole thing, they're going to want

7358
05:35:56,160 --> 05:35:58,638
to do that to make it compatible. If you

7359
05:35:58,638 --> 05:36:00,400
go from the high density apartments down

7360
05:36:00,400 --> 05:36:02,798
to transition down to town homes and

7361
05:36:02,798 --> 05:36:05,440
then the single family, it's it's nice

7362
05:36:05,440 --> 05:36:07,920
gradual transition instead of the

7363
05:36:07,920 --> 05:36:09,200
apartments right up against the single

7364
05:36:09,200 --> 05:36:11,040
family. So I guess if we're looking at

7365
05:36:11,040 --> 05:36:13,920
the highdensity housing, when we say

7366
05:36:13,920 --> 05:36:16,638
we're giving them the 20% increase, does

7367
05:36:16,638 --> 05:36:18,958
that mean that's the maximum density in

7368
05:36:18,958 --> 05:36:21,360
that area or the average density over

7369
05:36:21,360 --> 05:36:23,600
the whole thing or is that the same or

7370
05:36:23,600 --> 05:36:26,400
you looking at that as the same thing?

7371
05:36:26,400 --> 05:36:27,600
>> That do you do you don't understand the

7372
05:36:27,600 --> 05:36:28,798
difference of what I'm asking?

7373
05:36:28,798 --> 05:36:31,920
>> I think so. But are you saying for the

7374
05:36:31,920 --> 05:36:34,558
whole development the average or just

7375
05:36:34,558 --> 05:36:35,600
multifamily?

7376
05:36:35,600 --> 05:36:38,558
>> Just the Yeah, multif family part.

7377
05:36:38,558 --> 05:36:39,840
So yeah, the

7378
05:36:39,840 --> 05:36:41,760
>> So do you analyze it all as one big

7379
05:36:41,760 --> 05:36:42,798
thing?

7380
05:36:42,798 --> 05:36:44,638
>> We do.

7381
05:36:44,638 --> 05:36:46,000
>> So all this gray area,

7382
05:36:46,000 --> 05:36:48,400
>> the multif family, if it came in, we

7383
05:36:48,400 --> 05:36:49,680
would look at the density that they

7384
05:36:49,680 --> 05:36:50,718
provided

7385
05:36:50,718 --> 05:36:52,400
>> on just because they're not they're

7386
05:36:52,400 --> 05:36:53,760
probably not going to develop all that

7387
05:36:53,760 --> 05:36:55,600
gray at once, right?

7388
05:36:55,600 --> 05:36:57,120
>> Correct. Yeah.

7389
05:36:57,120 --> 05:37:00,400
>> So each individual

7390
05:37:00,400 --> 05:37:02,240
application that comes in

7391
05:37:02,240 --> 05:37:02,480
>> Yeah.

7392
05:37:02,480 --> 05:37:07,110
>> could be as high as 14.4.

7393
05:37:07,120 --> 05:37:08,000
Correct.

7394
05:37:08,000 --> 05:37:10,958
>> Okay. So, so really that whole gray the

7395
05:37:10,958 --> 05:37:12,878
potentially could be 14.4.

7396
05:37:12,878 --> 05:37:15,120
>> Correct. Yeah.

7397
05:37:15,120 --> 05:37:17,120
>> But we could also at this point like I

7398
05:37:17,120 --> 05:37:18,558
say put in the development agreement

7399
05:37:18,558 --> 05:37:22,000
that as it transitions towards the

7400
05:37:22,000 --> 05:37:25,280
single family detached homes that has to

7401
05:37:25,280 --> 05:37:28,718
transition to town to town home style

7402
05:37:28,718 --> 05:37:29,920
duplexes or something.

7403
05:37:29,920 --> 05:37:31,840
>> We we want to see some transition.

7404
05:37:31,840 --> 05:37:34,878
>> Transition. Yeah.

7405
05:37:34,878 --> 05:37:37,920
>> Yeah. From west to east. West. Yes.

7406
05:37:37,920 --> 05:37:40,718
>> And can we say that in the RS4? Do we

7407
05:37:40,718 --> 05:37:42,638
want to see that same kind of step down

7408
05:37:42,638 --> 05:37:45,600
as we move west to east or

7409
05:37:45,600 --> 05:37:47,440
>> I think in the single family I think

7410
05:37:47,440 --> 05:37:49,280
they need to make sure that the lots

7411
05:37:49,280 --> 05:37:51,040
around the exterior against the other

7412
05:37:51,040 --> 05:37:53,600
lots are compatible.

7413
05:37:53,600 --> 05:37:55,200
>> I think that's I think that's the more

7414
05:37:55,200 --> 05:37:57,040
important thing is saying that the

7415
05:37:57,040 --> 05:38:00,320
>> the lots the current residential lots

7416
05:38:00,320 --> 05:38:02,480
that but the RS4 need to be more

7417
05:38:02,480 --> 05:38:06,150
compatible than

7418
05:38:06,160 --> 05:38:08,160
You mind going back to the specific area

7419
05:38:08,160 --> 05:38:16,150
plan?

7420
05:38:16,160 --> 05:38:17,600
You have one that's got this one

7421
05:38:17,600 --> 05:38:19,360
highlighted

7422
05:38:19,360 --> 05:38:24,470
or is that in the other presentation?

7423
05:38:24,480 --> 05:38:33,590
» Sorry.

7424
05:38:33,600 --> 05:38:35,520
Well, he's finding that I have a I just

7425
05:38:35,520 --> 05:38:39,360
had a comment or a thought. If if we're

7426
05:38:39,360 --> 05:38:43,040
a if we're agreeing to the 20% increase

7427
05:38:43,040 --> 05:38:45,840
and they do transition,

7428
05:38:45,840 --> 05:38:50,470
do we have to go with RS4

7429
05:38:50,480 --> 05:38:52,080
six

7430
05:38:52,080 --> 05:38:57,350
neighboring is 7 8.5

7431
05:38:57,360 --> 05:39:00,868
etc.

7432
05:39:00,878 --> 05:39:02,798
I don't know.

7433
05:39:02,798 --> 05:39:05,040
Or is that

7434
05:39:05,040 --> 05:39:06,878
I know it has to pencil out. I get it.

7435
05:39:06,878 --> 05:39:10,240
>> Yeah, that's a good one right there.

7436
05:39:10,240 --> 05:39:17,110
>> What happened there? That's a good one.

7437
05:39:17,120 --> 05:39:19,040
» I got to do the math to invert it

7438
05:39:19,040 --> 05:39:21,840
because I got to go from units per acre

7439
05:39:21,840 --> 05:39:27,510
to square feet.

7440
05:39:27,520 --> 05:39:31,520
Yeah, correct. So the tricky part about

7441
05:39:31,520 --> 05:39:35,040
this uh is that we are looking with a

7442
05:39:35,040 --> 05:39:36,958
specific area plan. We're looking at a

7443
05:39:36,958 --> 05:39:39,440
really big area beyond just this

7444
05:39:39,440 --> 05:39:43,280
development and how it transitions. So

7445
05:39:43,280 --> 05:39:45,360
this five to eight dwelling units per

7446
05:39:45,360 --> 05:39:48,080
acre, we're kind of stuck there.

7447
05:39:48,080 --> 05:39:49,520
>> That's just and that's RS4.

7448
05:39:49,520 --> 05:39:51,520
>> Yeah, that's RS4.

7449
05:39:51,520 --> 05:39:54,000
So if you go beyond that then it starts

7450
05:39:54,000 --> 05:39:57,520
getting to the you know less than that

7451
05:39:57,520 --> 05:40:00,080
2.5 to five dwelling units per acre on

7452
05:40:00,080 --> 05:40:02,558
the southern side of that

7453
05:40:02,558 --> 05:40:05,840
and then even on the as you transition

7454
05:40:05,840 --> 05:40:09,680
back over to the west it's 2.5 to five

7455
05:40:09,680 --> 05:40:12,638
dwelling units per acre but the area

7456
05:40:12,638 --> 05:40:17,920
that we're talking about is the higher part of that medium

7457
05:40:17,920 --> 05:40:19,920
density residential

7458
05:40:19,920 --> 05:40:21,360
>> I think and I'm comfortable able with

7459
05:40:21,360 --> 05:40:24,080
that. I think I would like to arc the

7460
05:40:24,080 --> 05:40:26,160
compatibility and I'll take your guys'

7461
05:40:26,160 --> 05:40:28,400
input compatibility to allow it to go

7462
05:40:28,400 --> 05:40:30,878
beyond that 8,000 because it's it's up

7463
05:40:30,878 --> 05:40:35,200
against like acre lots, right?

7464
05:40:35,200 --> 05:40:36,718
>> I don't know.

7465
05:40:36,718 --> 05:40:39,760
>> So, in our code, RS6 and RS7 max out at

7466
05:40:39,760 --> 05:40:44,150
10,000 square feet.

7467
05:40:44,160 --> 05:40:46,878
» That's as much as they could go.

7468
05:40:46,878 --> 05:40:49,680
That's as much as they're required to go

7469
05:40:49,680 --> 05:40:53,520
>> or 80% of whatever they're next to. So

7470
05:40:53,520 --> 05:40:55,440
>> I like I like something like that. I I

7471
05:40:55,440 --> 05:40:57,200
was going to throw out 50% of what

7472
05:40:57,200 --> 05:40:58,400
they're next to, but

7473
05:40:58,400 --> 05:41:01,840
>> 80% is the lower if it's

7474
05:41:01,840 --> 05:41:03,280
>> Oh, that's the lower bound.

7475
05:41:03,280 --> 05:41:04,480
>> Whatever.

7476
05:41:04,480 --> 05:41:06,000
>> The other one you just said is the upper

7477
05:41:06,000 --> 05:41:06,480
bound.

7478
05:41:06,480 --> 05:41:07,760
>> Yeah.

7479
05:41:07,760 --> 05:41:10,718
>> So yeah, exactly. It would max out at

7480
05:41:10,718 --> 05:41:12,916
10,000.

7481
05:41:12,916 --> 05:41:15,670
[snorts]

7482
05:41:15,680 --> 05:41:19,280
» Is anybody as concerned as I am.

7483
05:41:19,280 --> 05:41:22,000
>> But that is that what's in the code?

7484
05:41:22,000 --> 05:41:24,400
>> The code. So the code would be 8,000.

7485
05:41:24,400 --> 05:41:27,120
The ones along the edge abuing

7486
05:41:27,120 --> 05:41:29,920
>> the existing residential would be 8,000.

7487
05:41:29,920 --> 05:41:30,718
>> 8,000 max.

7488
05:41:30,718 --> 05:41:32,480
>> It's still pretty small compared to

7489
05:41:32,480 --> 05:41:34,000
what's there.

7490
05:41:34,000 --> 05:41:36,638
>> But you have the flexibility with an MPC

7491
05:41:36,638 --> 05:41:39,760
to make that condition bigger.

7492
05:41:39,760 --> 05:41:40,718
>> Only up to 10 though.

7493
05:41:40,718 --> 05:41:42,958
>> No, I'm just giving you an example. RS6

7494
05:41:42,958 --> 05:41:45,360
and RS7 go to 10,000. So

7495
05:41:45,360 --> 05:41:46,000
>> bigger.

7496
05:41:46,000 --> 05:41:47,840
>> Sorry, I'm just I'm just throwing out

7497
05:41:47,840 --> 05:41:49,680
the numbers that we have in code just to

7498
05:41:49,680 --> 05:41:50,400
give you an idea.

7499
05:41:50,400 --> 05:41:52,638
>> So we could require those along the

7500
05:41:52,638 --> 05:41:55,040
existing county

7501
05:41:55,040 --> 05:42:01,600
lots to maybe go 70% of the lot width

7502
05:42:01,600 --> 05:42:04,638
that they but up to. So they' be close

7503
05:42:04,638 --> 05:42:07,040
70 75%. So you wouldn't have to match

7504
05:42:07,040 --> 05:42:09,120
them completely, but the width that they

7505
05:42:09,120 --> 05:42:11,040
would be button up to would be darn

7506
05:42:11,040 --> 05:42:12,480
close to what's already there. Something

7507
05:42:12,480 --> 05:42:14,638
like that. my mind is just do like a

7508
05:42:14,638 --> 05:42:15,920
percentage or something. Yeah, like

7509
05:42:15,920 --> 05:42:18,240
>> I don't know

7510
05:42:18,240 --> 05:42:21,200
>> that could start cutting into the the

7511
05:42:21,200 --> 05:42:24,718
required densities

7512
05:42:24,718 --> 05:42:28,948
>> specific area plan.

7513
05:42:28,958 --> 05:42:29,840
I

7514
05:42:29,840 --> 05:42:31,920
>> I to

7515
05:42:31,920 --> 05:42:32,558
>> Yeah.

7516
05:42:32,558 --> 05:42:33,440
>> kind of what you want

7517
05:42:33,440 --> 05:42:34,638
>> because that's where we always run into

7518
05:42:34,638 --> 05:42:37,760
a problem with these these larger lots

7519
05:42:37,760 --> 05:42:39,360
county subdivisions when something comes

7520
05:42:39,360 --> 05:42:41,440
along that people you know they're

7521
05:42:41,440 --> 05:42:43,280
looking at getting four lots across the

7522
05:42:43,280 --> 05:42:45,360
back property line and and that just

7523
05:42:45,360 --> 05:42:47,280
isn't compatible most of the time. So if

7524
05:42:47,280 --> 05:42:49,840
we could say that they have to be

7525
05:42:49,840 --> 05:42:52,320
at least 75% of the width of the

7526
05:42:52,320 --> 05:42:54,638
>> even 50% I think

7527
05:42:54,638 --> 05:42:57,280
>> or something so of those lots that

7528
05:42:57,280 --> 05:42:59,520
they're going to butt up against

7529
05:42:59,520 --> 05:43:03,990
>> and then I guess we need to look at

7530
05:43:04,000 --> 05:43:06,080
» like this this is impacting such a small

7531
05:43:06,080 --> 05:43:09,040
portion of this

7532
05:43:09,040 --> 05:43:10,558
but I think it's an important part.

7533
05:43:10,558 --> 05:43:11,920
Yeah, there's not a lot of lots.

7534
05:43:11,920 --> 05:43:13,840
>> If that's required though, how much how

7535
05:43:13,840 --> 05:43:16,638
much are you going to have to change on

7536
05:43:16,638 --> 05:43:18,638
the interior? I mean, they have to

7537
05:43:18,638 --> 05:43:19,840
reback. Are they going to have to go

7538
05:43:19,840 --> 05:43:20,798
back and redo the whole

7539
05:43:20,798 --> 05:43:22,878
>> They haven't planned any of it out yet.

7540
05:43:22,878 --> 05:43:25,200
>> Oh, they got a pretty good idea.

7541
05:43:25,200 --> 05:43:27,520
>> They don't have lots laid out.

7542
05:43:27,520 --> 05:43:29,812
>> Well, they're not even an acre.

7543
05:43:29,812 --> 05:43:30,798
[laughter]

7544
05:43:30,798 --> 05:43:32,638
>> They're 3/4 of an acre.

7545
05:43:32,638 --> 05:43:33,680
>> They're pretty wide. So,

7546
05:43:33,680 --> 05:43:36,480
>> those are even like the chairman said,

7547
05:43:36,480 --> 05:43:39,040
you know, if we make them 50%. So, but

7548
05:43:39,040 --> 05:43:40,878
isn't that a ditch

7549
05:43:40,878 --> 05:43:43,760
>> that divides them?

7550
05:43:43,760 --> 05:43:44,958
>> There's a canal there.

7551
05:43:44,958 --> 05:43:47,360
>> So, they actually aren't even a budding.

7552
05:43:47,360 --> 05:43:48,638
>> So, yeah, there's a

7553
05:43:48,638 --> 05:43:51,120
>> there's a there's already a buffer. So,

7554
05:43:51,120 --> 05:43:53,200
you could do a landscape buffer to get

7555
05:43:53,200 --> 05:43:56,798
them even further away.

7556
05:43:56,798 --> 05:43:57,840
>> Changing the

7557
05:43:57,840 --> 05:44:00,480
>> the lot sizes.

7558
05:44:00,480 --> 05:44:04,320
>> That's a pretty good size canal though.

7559
05:44:04,320 --> 05:44:06,080
Right away,

7560
05:44:06,080 --> 05:44:07,920
>> Mr. chair and commissioners, it looks to

7561
05:44:07,920 --> 05:44:10,320
me like um the even though there is a

7562
05:44:10,320 --> 05:44:14,718
ditch there, the uh properties extend to

7563
05:44:14,718 --> 05:44:17,360
the center line of the ditch on both

7564
05:44:17,360 --> 05:44:20,000
sides. And so you are abudding those

7565
05:44:20,000 --> 05:44:22,558
properties. So you'd still have that

7566
05:44:22,558 --> 05:44:25,120
requirement that's already built into

7567
05:44:25,120 --> 05:44:28,240
code, but you could increase that. I'm a

7568
05:44:28,240 --> 05:44:30,320
little bit nervous about giving a

7569
05:44:30,320 --> 05:44:34,080
percentage because um some of these

7570
05:44:34,080 --> 05:44:37,600
properties if they're budding up against

7571
05:44:37,600 --> 05:44:39,760
two of these properties and it's a

7572
05:44:39,760 --> 05:44:41,520
percentage it's going to be really

7573
05:44:41,520 --> 05:44:43,440
challenging for me to figure out what I

7574
05:44:43,440 --> 05:44:47,440
should do. Right? So I would prefer

7575
05:44:47,440 --> 05:44:49,680
since these are about a 3/4 of an acre.

7576
05:44:49,680 --> 05:44:51,760
That one that I'm kind of pointing at

7577
05:44:51,760 --> 05:44:54,558
here is 2 acres but that's kind of an

7578
05:44:54,558 --> 05:44:58,718
outlier for that subdivision. Um I would

7579
05:44:58,718 --> 05:45:01,920
recommend we do some exact number. So

7580
05:45:01,920 --> 05:45:05,520
that's you have to have

7581
05:45:05,520 --> 05:45:09,840
you know from this range maybe um 10 to

7582
05:45:09,840 --> 05:45:12,320
12,000 square feet or something like

7583
05:45:12,320 --> 05:45:12,878
that.

7584
05:45:12,878 --> 05:45:15,120
>> Good numbers

7585
05:45:15,120 --> 05:45:17,280
>> but two that what do you got there? You

7586
05:45:17,280 --> 05:45:19,440
got 20 foot on each side of that canal.

7587
05:45:19,440 --> 05:45:20,798
That's probably

7588
05:45:20,798 --> 05:45:22,558
>> that's actually the Phillis canal. So

7589
05:45:22,558 --> 05:45:24,878
it's a not

7590
05:45:24,878 --> 05:45:26,718
>> Yeah. Uh, so then you got 20 feet on

7591
05:45:26,718 --> 05:45:27,840
each side of it, right, for the

7592
05:45:27,840 --> 05:45:29,680
rightway. So, I mean, you're not even

7593
05:45:29,680 --> 05:45:30,958
going to be buttoning up to them come

7594
05:45:30,958 --> 05:45:33,040
to, you know, when you look at it. So, I

7595
05:45:33,040 --> 05:45:34,558
think if we just leave it the way code

7596
05:45:34,558 --> 05:45:36,718
says, then I think we'd be good.

7597
05:45:36,718 --> 05:45:38,000
>> Okay.

7598
05:45:38,000 --> 05:45:39,280
>> I mean, they're long going to be a long

7599
05:45:39,280 --> 05:45:40,080
ways apart.

7600
05:45:40,080 --> 05:45:42,558
>> 8,000

7601
05:45:42,558 --> 05:45:45,200
>> feet bigger. Yeah. As we get what code

7602
05:45:45,200 --> 05:45:46,638
and I think they'll work on it and do

7603
05:45:46,638 --> 05:45:48,958
their best to make make it compatible.

7604
05:45:48,958 --> 05:45:50,878
You're Yeah. Phyllis Canals. How wide is

7605
05:45:50,878 --> 05:45:53,840
that thing? 12 15 feet something like

7606
05:45:53,840 --> 05:45:55,760
that. maybe bigger. So, you're going to

7607
05:45:55,760 --> 05:45:58,080
be over half a football field apart

7608
05:45:58,080 --> 05:46:01,200
anyway from the prop line where you know

7609
05:46:01,200 --> 05:46:04,080
>> what if we just said

7610
05:46:04,080 --> 05:46:08,708
there's no 8,000 limit

7611
05:46:08,718 --> 05:46:11,600
as compatible as they

7612
05:46:11,600 --> 05:46:15,360
>> sounds perfect. Go for it.

7613
05:46:15,360 --> 05:46:17,440
Could

7614
05:46:17,440 --> 05:46:18,958
we say [laughter]

7615
05:46:18,958 --> 05:46:22,708
but

7616
05:46:22,718 --> 05:46:24,320
» from the person who has to review the

7617
05:46:24,320 --> 05:46:26,080
preliminary plat

7618
05:46:26,080 --> 05:46:26,958
>> that's too loose.

7619
05:46:26,958 --> 05:46:28,320
>> Yeah. It would be really hard to just

7620
05:46:28,320 --> 05:46:29,920
look at it and be like it's close

7621
05:46:29,920 --> 05:46:32,000
enough.

7622
05:46:32,000 --> 05:46:34,400
>> Could do that. [laughter]

7623
05:46:34,400 --> 05:46:36,000
>> If you word it like that I could do

7624
05:46:36,000 --> 05:46:36,400
that.

7625
05:46:36,400 --> 05:46:38,080
>> They're not they're not incentivized to

7626
05:46:38,080 --> 05:46:44,548
make those huge lots. And if they did,

7627
05:46:44,558 --> 05:46:46,240
» but if you're good with 8,000, they'll

7628
05:46:46,240 --> 05:46:46,638
probably

7629
05:46:46,638 --> 05:46:47,680
>> I don't know that I am.

7630
05:46:47,680 --> 05:46:49,120
>> Okay.

7631
05:46:49,120 --> 05:46:50,558
>> We just leave it up to what's in code.

7632
05:46:50,558 --> 05:46:50,958
So

7633
05:46:50,958 --> 05:46:52,480
>> do a range. Well, 8,000 is what's in

7634
05:46:52,480 --> 05:46:54,240
code to So if you're not good with that,

7635
05:46:54,240 --> 05:46:55,360
then

7636
05:46:55,360 --> 05:46:59,040
>> I'd like to see 10 or more there.

7637
05:46:59,040 --> 05:47:00,718
>> 10 to 12. 10 to 12.

7638
05:47:00,718 --> 05:47:02,240
>> Okay.

7639
05:47:02,240 --> 05:47:03,760
>> There you go.

7640
05:47:03,760 --> 05:47:04,718
>> Is that a motion?

7641
05:47:04,718 --> 05:47:06,958
>> Since that's what time it is.

7642
05:47:06,958 --> 05:47:11,270
>> 10 to [laughter] 12.

7643
05:47:11,280 --> 05:47:12,558
that a motion.

7644
05:47:12,558 --> 05:47:13,120
>> Okay.

7645
05:47:13,120 --> 05:47:14,000
>> Anything else?

7646
05:47:14,000 --> 05:47:16,878
>> No, just got to get the the motion back

7647
05:47:16,878 --> 05:47:18,320
up there so you can get it made.

7648
05:47:18,320 --> 05:47:22,788
>> Um,

7649
05:47:22,798 --> 05:47:25,280
» to most people are is everybody How's

7650
05:47:25,280 --> 05:47:26,798
everybody feeling? I heard Steve say he

7651
05:47:26,798 --> 05:47:29,280
doesn't like the 20% increase, but

7652
05:47:29,280 --> 05:47:30,878
sounds like everybody else is okay with

7653
05:47:30,878 --> 05:47:32,080
>> Oh, I have I don't have a problem with

7654
05:47:32,080 --> 05:47:34,240
the 20% increase.

7655
05:47:34,240 --> 05:47:36,798
>> You're going from 12 to 14 year. You

7656
05:47:36,798 --> 05:47:39,200
feel better? I just like the fact that

7657
05:47:39,200 --> 05:47:42,480
you get a little going to give the 20%

7658
05:47:42,480 --> 05:47:44,400
then give a little bit more on the

7659
05:47:44,400 --> 05:47:46,718
single family side

7660
05:47:46,718 --> 05:47:49,196
>> and

7661
05:47:49,196 --> 05:47:49,760
[snorts]

7662
05:47:49,760 --> 05:47:50,240
>> Okay.

7663
05:47:50,240 --> 05:47:52,080
Go for I'll move to recommend

7664
05:47:52,080 --> 05:47:54,080
approval of the project as stated on

7665
05:47:54,080 --> 05:47:56,958
screen with remen

7666
05:47:56,958 --> 05:47:58,958
with recommended conditions and proposed

7667
05:47:58,958 --> 05:48:01,440
findings

7668
05:48:01,440 --> 05:48:05,280
with the additional

7669
05:48:05,280 --> 05:48:07,200
understanding because I kind of want to

7670
05:48:07,200 --> 05:48:10,400
put this into a development we go.

7671
05:48:10,400 --> 05:48:13,830
>> Okay.

7672
05:48:13,840 --> 05:48:15,760
with a development agreement. Can I just

7673
05:48:15,760 --> 05:48:18,638
say that that incorporates

7674
05:48:18,638 --> 05:48:21,120
the principles of transitioning the

7675
05:48:21,120 --> 05:48:25,040
density of the multifamily housing at

7676
05:48:25,040 --> 05:48:28,558
moving for decreasing from west to east

7677
05:48:28,558 --> 05:48:35,350
and lots that are abuing existing homes

7678
05:48:35,360 --> 05:48:39,040
are 10,000 to 12,000 square feet in lie

7679
05:48:39,040 --> 05:48:41,600
of the

7680
05:48:41,600 --> 05:48:45,830
8,000 currently.

7681
05:48:45,840 --> 05:48:48,080
Second.

7682
05:48:48,080 --> 05:48:49,760
>> Okay. It's been moved by Commissioner

7683
05:48:49,760 --> 05:48:51,760
Morgan, second by Commissioner Turner to

7684
05:48:51,760 --> 05:48:54,080
approve the item with the development

7685
05:48:54,080 --> 05:48:56,480
agreement.

7686
05:48:56,480 --> 05:48:56,558
We

7687
05:48:56,558 --> 05:48:59,440
>> have a roll call, please.

7688
05:48:59,440 --> 05:49:02,000
>> Garner absent. Miller,

7689
05:49:02,000 --> 05:49:03,600
>> yes.

7690
05:49:03,600 --> 05:49:05,680
>> Daffer, absent. Turner,

7691
05:49:05,680 --> 05:49:07,360
>> hi.

7692
05:49:07,360 --> 05:49:08,240
>> Kho,

7693
05:49:08,240 --> 05:49:09,440
>> I

7694
05:49:09,440 --> 05:49:11,120
>> Morgan,

7695
05:49:11,120 --> 05:49:12,638
>> yes.

7696
05:49:12,638 --> 05:49:13,760
Kirkman,

7697
05:49:13,760 --> 05:49:15,200
>> yes.

7698
05:49:15,200 --> 05:49:17,600
>> Copeland, absent. Fiend,

7699
05:49:17,600 --> 05:49:19,360
>> yes.

7700
05:49:19,360 --> 05:49:23,910
>> Okay, motion passes.

7701
05:49:23,920 --> 05:49:25,360
» Motion to adjurnn.

7702
05:49:25,360 --> 05:49:28,878
>> Second. Been moved by Commissioner

7703
05:49:28,878 --> 05:49:31,040
Morgan, second by Commissioner Turn to

7704
05:49:31,040 --> 05:49:32,080
all those in favor?

7705
05:49:32,080 --> 05:49:33,680
>> I. Any opposed?

7706
05:49:33,680 --> 05:49:36,080
>> I

7707
05:49:36,080 --> 05:49:37,280
That's how we do it.

7708
05:49:37,280 --> 05:49:39,440
>> Thank you all. Appreciate it.

7709
05:49:39,440 --> 05:49:40,958
>> I could have made it to midnight, but

7710
05:49:40,958 --> 05:49:43,120
whatever. What's up to you guys? Thanks

7711
05:49:43,120 --> 05:49:45,840
for sticking it out.

7712
05:49:45,840 --> 05:49:48,000
>> Maybe my wife. [laughter]

7713
05:49:48,000 --> 05:49:51,040
>> What's up to you guys?