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The regular council meeting for Monday, July 9, 2018. I'd like to call the meeting to order. The clerk tonight is Ms. Sheila Gurry. And before we get going, I want to first off recognize that we are on the traditional territory of this name of First Nations. The second is that anyone that's wishing to ask questions during question period, the sign-up sheet will be overbind the clerks by the computers over there. And you simply need to put your name and your item you wish to speak about.

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Introduction of late items, please, Ms. Curry.

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Thank you, Your Worship.

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On the agenda this evening, for agenda item 10-D, we're adding delegations from Martin,

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Jaloo, and Raymond DeVield, regarding 20 bars be avenue.

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Agenda item 10-F, development permit, DP1088, for 3, 4, 2, 5, uplands drive, we're adding

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a delegation from Randy Dorma.

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Agenda Item 10G, Development Permit, 4775, Uplands Drive, we're adding a delegation from Judith Guy.

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Agenda Item 10J, Provincial Support for Daytime Drop-In Resource Center, we're adding a delegation from Matthew O'Donnell.

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Agenda Item 10K Cannabis Task Force update, we're replacing the introduction by Mr. Dale Lindsay and replacing it with Councillor Kip.

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And we're also adding a delegation from Matthew O'Donnell, as well as some correspondence

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data July 5th, 2018 from the NIMO Lady Smith Public Schools regarding cannabis task force

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recommendations.

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For agenda item 12b, we're replacing zoning amendment by law 4500.117 with the attached

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version to correct the covenant registration date.

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For agenda item 12c, zoning amendment by law 2018 number 4500.121.

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We're replacing with the attached version to show the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure Approval

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Data June 25th, 2018 and then we're there for replacing the by-law status sheet for 12 item 12D not set your worship.

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Thank you very much.

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Councillor Neill and the other late items.

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Councillor Rohn.

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Thank you.

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Can I please add Kevin Shaw to 6B with regards to Victoria Cresson Association.

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He has a short presentation.

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Six

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B. Yes, please.

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Do you have a seconder?

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Seconded by Councilor Kim.

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Any discussion?

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Seeing none, call the questionals in favor.

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Opposed, motion carries.

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Any others come?

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Seeing none, motion to adopt the agenda as amended.

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Moved by Councilor Hall and seconded by Councilor Armstrong.

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Thank you.

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Call the questionals in favor.

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Opposed, motion carries.

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Next one is adoption of minutes.

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There are five, probably six sets of minutes to be adopted.

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You can take them as a block, moved by Councilor Besswick,

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seconded by Councilor Hong, any errors or emissions.

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Seeing none, call the question, all his favour.

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Opposed, motion carries.

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Next one is presentation, reproposed, council, procedure by law.

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I miss sugary.

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Thank you, worship. So my presentation this evening is just to give all of council and

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the public a heads up that a new council procedure by law is on its way. This presentation

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will just outline the reasons for new by law and some of the highlight proposed changes

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to the new by law. Then I'll also go through an engagement process that we'll be doing and

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and giving you, basically, an update on the next steps.

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So why a new council procedure by-law?

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Our current by-law, number 7060, was adopted in 2007.

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There's been three amendments since then, and they've just been minor amendments.

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Good governance is one of council's priorities.

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And consultants prepared the Watson report in 2013, so it's been five years now since that

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Watson report was conducted, many of the recommendations that that report made have been implemented,

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but there are a number that were involving a new procedure by law that haven't been done.

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There was staff previously that had prepared draft by laws, but the work had not been completed.

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We need to address council to quorum and proper parliamentary procedures that are absent in their current by law and would be a very useful tool going forward.

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So this is a good opportunity for change.

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The new by-law combines recommendations from most consultants input and research, and it will be written

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in a clear concise plain language way, and it's a useful tool for this counsel and future counsels.

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So a summary of the by-law updates will be the next several slides.

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This is a combination of the consultants reports.

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We had two previous parliamentarians come in and draft some bylaws and

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recommends and changes and this is a combination of that as well as since I've been the city clerk the last couple of years.

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Things that would have been very useful for me had they been in our procedure by law, as well as recommendations that members of the public have made at the podium and

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Councillors that have made here at the table have provided a lot of input that has influenced

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the changes that you'll see coming forward. So some of the changes are it addresses the absence

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of parliamentary procedures. So proper steps for reconsideration of a matter points of order,

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tabling or referring a matter back to staff and proper time to debate a by-law at the appropriate

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reading of the by-law. All of these will be laid out in the new procedure by-law so that if there is

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Any question on parliamentary procedures or Robert's rules of order?

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The important ones are written right into the by-law, which then helps provide more weight and a reference that we can turn to.

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And it's not just somebody's knowledge of Robert's rules of order, it's actually written into the procedure by-law.

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Requirements for raising hand to vote.

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Right now it's written in our current procedure by-law that the way voting is handled is by a raise of hand in the affirmative.

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The absence of a hand raised is still a vote in the affirmative unless you raise your hand when the chair calls for those opposed.

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Escribe allows for voting to occur on tablets and appear on the screen, so keeping technology how it's advancing in the future.

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In mind, the new procedure by law will allow for this as we get to that point with our technology.

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Council Decoram, it's not mentioned in our current by-law and the new by-law will outline

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clear guidelines for acceptable conduct and debate and this goes not only for members

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of council and staff but also members of the public when they're at the podium and it

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will assist in better meeting management.

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In camera meeting times so right now our by-law is silent in camera meeting times which is

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why if members of the public or council have noticed there's a meeting change for every

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Council meeting, we have a meeting time change part of me. We changed the time of all of our

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regularly scheduled council meetings to account for the in-camera meeting times. Other than

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that, if we didn't have that, we would have to have a special council meeting. So if some

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of you remember several months ago, I've changed it to changing the meeting time. But before

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that, we'd have to have two agendas because each in-camera meeting would have to be a special

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Council meeting, so this would just account for, it would really assist in less staff time

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and resources in producing double agendas and constantly changing the notices to accommodate

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the start and early time.

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So the regular open sessions would still commence at 7 p.m.

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Late items and addendums, if we move to the printing and publishing of the agendas to Thursdays

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which previously years ago it had been done that way, it would eliminate the need to have

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an addendum which would cut down on staff resources and laid items.

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Again, these are just potential changes and council I'll explain with the next steps

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your ability to provide further input.

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Public can sign up to speak on an agenda item and tell Monday if we were to move the printing of the agenda to Thursdays

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and they'd be able to sign up till Monday and there would be no addentums and no extra laid items

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added besides the delegations and the item's council would want to bring to at the meeting.

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Committee of the halls, these would be brought back to their originally intended format,

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which is a less formal meeting where issues are brought to the table, can be debated and

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discussed fully before coming to a council meeting to be voted on, much like you do at the regional district of Nanaimal.

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And this will aid in shortening council meetings as a full-sum discussion would already have taken place at the committee of the whole meeting.

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Speaking limits, nothing in the current by-law addresses speaking times for members,

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so putting limits in place will help move meetings along and stay on to the deck.

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Members can make a motion and vote if they wish to speak longer, and it will aid in helping

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meetings run more efficiently.

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Summary of by-law updates continued.

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Consent agenda, this is one of my favorites.

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It's a list of various items and recommendations to address those items.

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Matters excluded from the list include items pertaining to the financial plan, the annual

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no simple report and changes to any strategic plans, but this will give a list of all items,

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besides those three that have outlined their Council may vote on and adopt in one motion.

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All of those recommendations listed in that consent agenda, unless one of the members of Council

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would like an item removed. You don't need a motion for that. You can just request for it to be

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removed from the list and you can debate and consider it separately.

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Public hearings right now,

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They are not addressed in our current procedure by-law, so it will outline the process.

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The new by-law will outline the process, and it's designed to assist the Chair and

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Council members by stating proper procedures to follow.

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Supporting policies, there is a new section which clearly defines when a supporting

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policy would be helpful to provide additional rules to support the new by-law.

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Council would adopt these policies, and policies are easier to amend than the by-law

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because they just require a resolution of council, not an amendment to the by-law.

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And with the procedure by law, it requires publication, notice of changes to the procedure by law.

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We have to provide notice in the paper in accordance with Section 94 of the Community Charter.

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So in conclusion, these updates that I have just or proposed updates that I have just listed are issues that have been brought to the attention of council.

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Problems that are apparent to me as the corporate officer and it clearly outlines the rule of order and

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Parliamentary procedures, which I believe would be really beneficial on a helpful tool in a new procedure by law.

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So the next steps which I don't have a slide for is we have already, like I stated earlier, had two parliamentarians complete drafts of work done by staff,

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which also included a survey to mayor and council a couple of years ago.

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Lisa Swarn, the parliamentarian surveyed you for your proposed ideas.

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Members of the public have come to meetings and provided suggestions.

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Mayor and council have provided feedback and suggestions to myself.

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In doing this job, I've come across issues that had been spelled out clearly in the procedure by law.

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It would have been of great assistance to me and my job.

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So going forward, the draft by law will be on the committee of the whole agenda for August 27th.

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So the draft will be there with the current by law and the changes proposed.

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closed for a council to provide feedback and suggestions and get a detailed explanation

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of the changes at that time.

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There will then be a public engagement session on August 28th with Lisa Sorn, parliamentarian

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who will go through this procedure by-law process and allow for public feedback.

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The community charter outlines the public notice that must be provided under Section 124

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and Section 94 of the charter must then be followed.

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So Section 124 says, when you plan on updating or amending your procedure by law, you must follow

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the notice requirements in Section 94, which is just basically publication in the newspaper.

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I plan to take it a step further and also have that engagement session as well as a full

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some discussion with Council at a committee of the whole.

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My plan then is to have three readings in front of you, hopefully, by October 1st and then

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Then adoption for October 15th and this will allow the incoming council to not have to

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learn to proceed your bylaws.

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They'll just have the one new one that you have helped to create and implement that will

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hopefully be a really good tool for that council and future councils.

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That's it.

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Thank you very much.

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I see no questions for you.

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On to the next item, which of course is the mayor's report.

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You had a question?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Good evening, Kevin Shaw, the Victoria President Association.

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The association would like to thank the City of the Normal and invite everyone to our

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bathtub weekend street festival.

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On Saturday, July 21st, the road's next to the China steps will once again be blocked

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off for all sorts of free fun activities.

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For the kids, there will be a couple of giant slides, inflatable bouncy castle, a 60 foot obstacle

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course challenging your skills to see if you're a ninja warrior gladiator. We'll have kids games,

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face painting, and animal balloons. For the adults, a car show featuring the Gabriel of Cruisers,

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the Old English car club, and those dirt devil rods, they're called. You'll be able to stop your

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feet to the Nanaimo fiddle society, but relax to the slow moves of Tai Chi Nanaimo. The RCMP

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an animal search and rescue, and the an animal fire rescue will be on hand to show their vehicles.

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Well, I have a dunk tank and no bathtub weekend would be

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Complete without the famous service rates. So join us Saturday, July 21st, it all begins at 9.30 in the morning for the all-free. It's the Victoria

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Crescent Street Festival, and it's on Bath tub weekend. Thanks very much. Thank you very much, sir.

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No questions. Thank you. So in the mayor's report, I have, I just wanted to bring

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everybody's attention to the fact that it's, it's, it's, it's a reinvestable month. And it started off this last weekend with Dragon

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vote. There were thousands and thousands of people down at the fail setting over the

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course of the weekend. The weather was great. There were 59 teams that competed. The

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numbers actually down a little bit from past years, only because there were a number

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of teams, including, I believe, 7 or 8 local teams that were off in Venice that are competing

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for the worlds, if you can imagine that. So next weekend on Sunday, July 15th, don't forget

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There's the Child Development Center's biggest fundraiser of the year, the CiliBot Races.

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Again, it may fail a certain park.

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Following that, on Friday, it starts the activities with respect to Beth Thub and Beth Thub

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Weekend.

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There's all kinds of different activities you can go on to the Royal Order and I'm a Beth

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Thub Society website, and whether all we described.

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Don't forget following Weekend after that is the BC Day Long Weekend, and two days after

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the BC day, BC day Monday, is another big event in Anamo, which is of course the snowbirds

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come back to fly over to Anamo. So it's a Wednesday, it's two days after the holiday

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Monday, and it proves to be again a good, a great time. Make your dinner reservations early

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because I know you can't buy, you can't get a dinner reservation on that night when the

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Stonebridge come. Thank you. Next item of course is administration and there are a number

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of advisory committee minutes. There are six of them in total. They can all come together.

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Someone prepared to move all of them. Moved by Councilor Thorpe. Thank you. Seconder.

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Seconded by Councilor Armstrong. Thank you. Any errors or missions? Seeing none, call the

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question. All of the favour? Opposed? Motion carried.

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Next one is under corporate services, and it will be the internal borrowing resolution to be introduced by a windie fuller manager, business asset and financial planning.

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Ms. Fuller.

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Thank you.

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As council will recall, when we reviewed the budget this spring, the 2018-2022 financial plan included internal borrowing for three sanitary sewer projects in 2018-2019-2020 and 2022.

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Internal boring doesn't require a resolution from Council, however, it is best practice to obtain such a resolution.

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We are asking you to approve a resolution for the internal borrowing for

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2018 for DCC SS 45, which is the Chase River Pump Station Enforcement.

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We will return in subsequent years to get a resolution for the internal borrowing that is planned in that year.

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Thank you very much, someone prepared to move the recommendation.

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Moved by Councilor Brennan, seconded by Councilor Thorpe, any discussion?

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Seeing none, call the questionals in favour, opposed motion carries.

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Next one is under public services and that is first item, morning side drive sewer cost share to be introduced by Mr. Bill Simms.

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Go ahead, Mr. Simmson.

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Thank you, Your Worship.

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In front of you have a report regarding the possibility of providing sewer to Morningside Drive.

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So a number of residents along Morningside Drive are currently on septic fields, currently

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failing, and they've banded together and approached the city to see if we could cost share so

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that they could expedite the installation of sanitary sewer along Morningside.

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For the city, it's an opportunity to provide a service to Washington, like instead of a port-a-party at Neck Point Park, so that helps our interest as well.

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And so we've engaged to consult and looked at a number of different options and the most appropriate is a low-pressure sewer system.

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Similar to other areas we find it quite effective, and it's just because of the geography of the street.

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So,

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of course, that comes with a cost.

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We estimate in the range of 150 to 240,000, as you can see on the report.

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And after quite a bit of discussion with the Resonance Association or Regist Resonance Group,

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I should say, they've indicated a willingness to contribute to 12,200 for

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each property for a total of 61,000 towards the entire cost of the project, which I think is quite

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quite reasonable. They're going to have significant expenses on their own property as well.

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So, in lieu of replacing a septic field, it does work out to be economic and best practice for both parties.

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Of course, one of the best features about this is that it really cleans up one of the, one of the pristine waterfront areas in the city.

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So the, there's two bylaws required if Council agrees to go forward.

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We would approach the residents to sign a petition for a local area service under the community charter.

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That would be one bylaw and then the other bylaw would be to appropriate funds from the appropriate

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sewer fund for the work.

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I'd be happy to answer any questions.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Hone.

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Thank you.

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three to staff. Mr. Sims, what did the residents of, I think, green lake? Was that the last

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one that did the buy-in? What did they pay each to buy into the sewer if I'm not mistaken?

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My recollection is that Council waved any fees they had some costs on site, but as far as

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the contribution to the overall project. And I believe that was tied into an understanding

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that they would be serviced as part of a malgommation in the 70s.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Vester.

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Thank you. Just do that green lake situation somewhat different than this, but at the time the green lake residents were given a certain period of time in which to take advantage of the opportunity which I think might have been on a percentage of what

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the estimated cost was, and if they went outside because some folks there had just recently replaced their

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septic systems, so weren't necessarily in a position at that time financially to do the sewer

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system hook up. But if they went outside a window, a period of time, then they lost that

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But that benefited an advantage of the initial offering.

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I can't remember what the number was, but there was a number if you bought in originally or if you bought in after.

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I just can't remember, I don't know, I don't want to throw a number out there because I can't remember what it was.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Someone prepared to move the recommendation.

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Move by Councilor Hong, seconded by Councilor Bessert.

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Thank you.

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I'll call the question on the favour, opposed motion carries.

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Next one is property distribution, property disposition, part in plan 174 RW of lot 7 and

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the memo river road to be introduced by Mr. D. L. Lindsay.

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Mr. Lindsay.

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Thank you, Your Worship.

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As you mentioned, we're here this evening to see Council's approval for the disposition of

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the subject property.

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This is a piece of remnant land that was previously owned by the greater name.

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I'm a water district, it's now, we're recommending that it be disposed of and sold to LaFarge, who is the neighboring property owner.

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The property itself is about 0.28 hectares, and there's a value of $16,500.

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We have now completed the required notification, and it's required under legislation, and it's here for final consideration by Council.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Is someone prepared to move the recommendation?

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I'm going to vote.

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Moving both, Councillor Hone.

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Thank you.

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Seconded by Councillor Fork.

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Thank you.

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Any discussion?

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Seeing none, call the question.

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All in favour?

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Next item is rezoning application number R-A-390 at 215 Saviston Street and to be introduced

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by Mr. Lindsay.

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Thank you, Worship.

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This is an application as you mentioned for rezoning.

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We're seeking Council's recommendation on 1st and 2nd reading of the associated bylaws

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this evening.

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The rezoning, if approved, would rezone the subject property from R1 to R6 in order to

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allow for a 5-unit multifamily project.

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The air photo, which is from page 81 of your agenda, is displayed on the screen.

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Thank you very much.

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Councillor Hone.

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Thank you.

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I see that they're putting $5,000 towards the park improvements.

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Do we have any say, is this what they're picking up?

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Because I keep picking up this question that we have a housing crisis, and

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that pot that we need is going to grow.

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So $5,000 for a park improvement, or can we put $5,000 into an

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an affordable housing pot for this area?

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Do we have that option?

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Your Worship Through to Councilor Hong, I think it's important to note that community contributions are ultimately voluntary contributions.

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And there's lists of potential projects that the money can be provided towards.

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And those lists are generated either through the Official Community Plan or in this case through the Neighborhood Plan.

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So staff would provide them with a list of identified opportunities that are in the Neighborhood Plan.

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and it's really up to the applicants to identify where they would wish their community contributions

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to be resourced to.

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Now in this case, they've identified the park.

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I would say certainly the trend with recent applications has been towards your affordable

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housing strategy, and that's always identified by staff as an option.

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Just to follow up on that then, thank you.

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If you don't mind, is this the $1,000 per door that we keep talking about, or is that something

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different. No, it is exactly that ownership. It's the community contribution which for

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multi-family is $1,000 dollars adorious. So I would really eventually like to have

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a look at that where that $1,000 per door goes to affordable housing. And if they wanted

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to community contribution to the park for variances, I'd be more inclined to have a look at that

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way. Because I like to, like I said, grow that pot that we need for housing. Land isn't

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getting any cheaper, the city doesn't have much more inventory.

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We're going to have to start buying some sooner or later.

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And we're going to have to get that land, that money from somewhere.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Browne.

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I don't have anything.

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I'll make the motion.

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Actually, I was going to, it just needs, as a by-law, it needs to go to Councilor.

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Okay, thank you, Councilor Fuller.

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A quick question to Mr. Lindsay.

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Did we read this at $1,000 per door at this point?

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Or are we going to revisit that because I recall mentioning it at some point?

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Yes, your worship.

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The last time it was reviewed was through the Development Process Review Committee, which is probably going back three or four years now.

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There is an existing council motion on the books to review that policy, yes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Thorpe.

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Thank you, Chair.

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So I will move that zoning amendment bylaw 2018, number 4500.125, to rezone 2 on 5

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Sabbath and street from single dwelling residential R1 to townhouse residential

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R6 pass first reading.

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Seconded by Councilor Bacerck.

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Thank you, discussion.

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Seeing none, call the questions in favor, posed, motion carries.

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And I would move that zoning amendment bylaw 2018, number 4500.125, pass second reading.

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Thank you, seconded by Councilor Besswick, any discussion?

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Seeing none, call the questionals in favor, opposed, motion carries.

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And I would further move the Council direct staff to secure the community contribution,

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prior to the adoption of the bylaw, should Council support the bylaw at third reading.

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Thank you, seconded by Councilor Besswick.

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all those in favor.

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Opposed? Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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Next one, development permit number D.P.1073 at 20 bars.

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We have it, Mr. Lindsay.

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Thank you, Your Worship.

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We could ask that page 92 in the agenda.

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Sorry, the airfoad, that's fine.

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Thank you very much.

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I wanted to start off here because this is certainly a challenging site for many perspectives.

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because it's a previously disturbed site, first of all.

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There's been activity on this property for many years,

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but it's also challenging that it's bound on almost all sides

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by watercourse setbacks.

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So you have before you this evening a development permit,

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this property may look familiar to Council

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because there has been a previous development permit

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on this property for 58 units.

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This application is a revision to that.

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Previous application is now seeking a development permit

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which will allow for 90 units

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on the subject property.

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There are variances to building height, yard setbacks, water course setbacks, and parking.

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Thank you very much.

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We have a delegation, Mr. Martin, Juro, and Raymond DeBield.

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Thank

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you, gentlemen.

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You have 10 minutes.

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Raymond DeBield, architect to the project and

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Martin Juro project manager for platinum properties.

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We're really just here if you guys have any questions in regards to us.

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Okay, thank you, Councillor Vestor, it has questions.

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Thank you, Councillor.

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Sorry, thank you.

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You're asking for six amendments and

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The reparations set back, the reduced watercourse set back at the top of the bank from 30 meters to 0. Help me understand what the tradeoff is.

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Help me understand what the tradeoff in terms of the community benefit in the trailway that exists and how you will enhance,

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It's, assumingly, that Parkway connected trail from, I'll say Bowen Park, to Swaya-Lana.

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And I asked that question because in recognition of the zero setback at the top of the water

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course, if you will, making an assumption that there will be a boardwalk or some enhanced

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walkway behind there, or in front.

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First slide is that we're enhancing along the bar speed area there in terms of the length

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weight, the connection between the long and the best tone, and I don't know if I can

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get this one.

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How do I point it in?

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Oh, left and right.

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I don't know.

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Top and down.

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Can you pull the microphone?

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I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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From this to the other slide here.

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This one here shows the return and setback, and also in red is the fisheries BS setback.

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The footprint of the building is actually the same as the identical, like 98% the same as the original building.

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The original building, Parkade was falling just on the outside of that light blue line of where we've kind of straightened it out.

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So it makes change for that with the extra story to pay for the parkade.

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We're also updating all the riparian area between around the Milestone right-of-way and

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our property as well as providing natural vegetation to the podium areas.

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So there's an increased habitat area.

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The, like I say, the building existence was essentially the same as before, so yeah, I don't

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know.

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So pre this we don't really get involved in what your design looks like and all that

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stuff.

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So my question is, will folks be walking in the front of the building and

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connect back on, or will they be walking behind the building on the mill stone side?

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It's still, we haven't changed where the pathway is that goes around part to the north.

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Okay, so but you will be enhancing the pedestrian walkway for

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for its connectivity.

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Yes, part of that was done by the property being given back where the pathway was on this property originally by the previous owner.

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So that would have been dedicated on the previous D.P.

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Okay, I'm not sure, maybe Mr. Lindsey can help me if he understands it a little bit where I'm going.

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So

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you wish if the question is normally we look for compensation anytime we go into a repair and setback so if your question is where is that compensation it's a it's a combination of improvements on the site and in the park in terms of the removal of invasive species the replanting of those areas so from our perspective the improvements that are being done both on the land and in the adjacent park allow for basically net zero in terms of the overall impact is in this what way

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We look for anytime we're looking for water, of course, setbacks.

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And we're also improving the streetscape along the lane on bars, because it's not.

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It's actually a big thing.

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Well, you'd have to do that with your development, would you not?

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No, but it's, I think it's a big benefit, because it's a major bikeway through it and a walkway through there.

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And that's why I'm asking the question, because of the major cycling and pedestrian traffic that goes through there.

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But that's primarily bars.

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Thanks.

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Between the bridge.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Hong.

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Thank you.

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It's due to the delegation or maybe staff.

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When you had 58 units, how many parking stalls were you providing?

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There was a previous DP which we were not at my show.

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I can't tell you because that was in the years enough.

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Okay.

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It had a lot of the variances that we have with this project in terms of the only difference

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is we have more parking, I think our variance is actually better than theirs.

442
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:19,870
We have the same front yard setback to bars because they did the same front yard setback

443
00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:24,070
for the parquet as they did building footprint is essentially the same as the original project.

444
00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:28,370
The only thing that we're doing that's different is the extra story in terms of height.

445
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:29,990
They had a variance for height as well.

446
00:35:30,690 --> 00:35:32,410
I don't know about half as much as we do.

447
00:35:33,330 --> 00:35:38,550
And the parquet essentially allows us and the parking underneath to essentially pay for

448
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:43,590
a lot of the upgrades to the park and also we're providing a lot more native vegetation

449
00:35:43,590 --> 00:35:47,390
on top of the podium, which is the park A, which the image scheme wasn't doing.

450
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:49,250
Okay.

451
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:54,050
Thank you, because I just wanted to follow up on that with this variance from, I guess.

452
00:35:54,570 --> 00:36:00,410
So I just also say sorry to interrupt, but we also have one in two tiers with this project

453
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:06,410
so we're providing electro-vehicle charging cars share a lot more bike storage and that kind

454
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:06,790
of stuff.

455
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:10,870
We're also providing the part of the tiers and the vehicle as well.

456
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:13,050
That's all part of the parking variance.

457
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:20,170
Thank you, yes, so just to follow up on that, we approved a senior's facility.

458
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:29,130
This is exactly from staff report right here, it's 57 rental apartment building on 20 per dose street with a huge variance.

459
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:32,390
The area is going to be busy.

460
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:42,330
I didn't know that this was going to be a 90 unit condo development.

461
00:36:43,150 --> 00:36:45,810
I thought it was actually a lot smaller in scale.

462
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:50,890
So my question I think is going to be what the residents in that area are going to be concerned

463
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:52,670
about is parking.

464
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:59,210
On street parking is going to be very limited and since that these are going to be condos,

465
00:36:59,210 --> 00:37:04,950
you're going to have guests coming, 90 units, and assume you're going to have guests.

466
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:10,310
You're going to have no parking for them, very limited street parking, if anything.

467
00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:15,690
So I have concerns about the parking.

468
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:21,110
I would be okay with at least one stall per condo.

469
00:37:23,090 --> 00:37:27,290
You know, you haven't even, I don't know what the condo units are if they're going to be,

470
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:31,970
you know, micros because I would love to see some microsweets and all the other stuff

471
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:37,250
but it doesn't tell me that from your variants of 58 to 90 and

472
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:43,270
For that reason I have concerns about it because it's not helping with our affordability

473
00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:48,830
With the designs that we need and especially with parking for for a condo unit rental

474
00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:53,890
I could look at but when it comes to a condo

475
00:37:53,890 --> 00:38:00,270
So, it's going to be a tough decision, so I'm going to have to listen to what some other colleagues have to say.

476
00:38:00,450 --> 00:38:00,690
Thank you.

477
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:03,220
Thank you.

478
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:05,200
Councillor Armstrong.

479
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:09,340
Just for clarification, I think they're only asking for five.

480
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,700
They went from 90 to 85.

481
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:14,160
Yeah, that was the previous scheme, sorry.

482
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,400
You're asking for 85 parkans, a variance to 85 from 90, correct?

483
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:20,360
Thank you.

484
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,000
Thank you.

485
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,600
We have no more questions for you.

486
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,920
Thank you very much.

487
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:31,400
If someone prepared to move the recommendation, moved by Councillor Armstrong, seconded by

488
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,640
Councillor Besswick, any further discussion?

489
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:38,280
Seeing none, call the questions in favour, opposed, motion carries.

490
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:46,900
Next one, development permit number D.P.1075 at 3598, Norwell Drive, to be introduced by Mr.

491
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Lindsay.

492
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:48,440
Thank you, Worship.

493
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:58,800
Again, this property may be familiar to Council as it was rezoned just last fall to allow for this project to allow for a row housing development.

494
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,500
So this evening, you're considering a development permit as noted at the time of rezoning,

495
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:12,980
given the nature of the property, it does require a lot depth variance from 27 meters to 19.46 meters.

496
00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:21,260
In addition to the variance that was previously identified, the applicant's also requesting relatively minor height variances for these buildings.

497
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,900
Thank you very much.

498
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:24,680
Is someone prepared to move the recommendation?

499
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:28,700
Moved by Councillor Besswick, seconded by Councillor Thorpe, any discussion?

500
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,280
Seeing none, call the questions all in favour?

501
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,620
Opposed? Motion carries.

502
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,020
Next one.

503
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:42,660
So, development permit number DP-10888 at 3-4, 2-5, up on the strife, to be introduced by Mr. Nancy.

504
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,740
Thank you, Worship.

505
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,800
Again, this is an application that went through the rezoning process.

506
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,760
In this case, it was actually approved in the fall of 2016.

507
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:57,260
Council, I think you're aware that this application is from the NIMO Association of Community Living.

508
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:03,700
And I note that partly because of the size of the parking stall variances, and

509
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:05,380
and council may have questions about that.

510
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:07,800
This was identified at the time of rezoning.

511
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160
The overall development is for 28 units

512
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,880
with 12 of those units being identified for NACL clients.

513
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:18,160
And given the nature of their clients,

514
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:22,700
parking is, we believe, not required for those units.

515
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,880
The remaining 16 units are identified for affordable rentals.

516
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,180
So the applicants are providing one stall

517
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:32,340
for each of the rental plus one additional stall.

518
00:40:32,340 --> 00:40:36,640
but that's ultimately the variance from 46 to 17.

519
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:37,620
Thank you.

520
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:38,520
Thank you very much.

521
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:39,600
We have two delegations.

522
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:42,420
The first one is Mr. Graham-Mauri, Executive Director

523
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:44,660
and Animal Association for Community Living

524
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,140
and Mr. John Jessica Project Manager

525
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,180
and Animal Association for Community Living.

526
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:49,860
Gentlemen,

527
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:01,340
you have up to 10 minutes.

528
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:06,980
We are going to waive our rate for a presentation

529
00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:10,880
but we wanted to be here in case there were any questions

530
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Park concerns that we might be able to respond to the work in the council report.

531
00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:19,320
Okay. Thank you very much. Councillor Armstrong?

532
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:24,200
Yeah. Just have a question on the parking. I know that you said that there'd be one extra

533
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,480
or whatever it was. Is there disabled parking more than just one spot for that particular

534
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:36,440
project? I believe there's one disabled park out of the total 17.

535
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Thank you.

536
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Thank you very much you know for the questions no for the questions thank you.

537
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:53,990
Thank you. No we have actually we have a delegation another delegation. Mr. Randy dormant.

538
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:27,270
I'm the neighbor next door at 3405 and I have a lot of issues with the idea of the parking.

539
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:33,050
I have some pictures that I brought with me that I want to make sure that I hand out of this part of my 10 minutes.

540
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:52,220
The

541
00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:03,160
first agenda would be about the parking.

542
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,660
They have one manager parking.

543
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:13,380
When they're running their programs during the day, I live right next door.

544
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,780
There's always two more cars there every morning to help people get going in the morning.

545
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:28,140
If you read through, I don't know if any of you have read through this, but it does talk about their programs that they run through the one building.

546
00:43:30,340 --> 00:43:46,620
There will be also with such a large development there will be definitely be an maintenance person and also a groundskeeper to keep this property up, which would, you know, at least three more stalls than just the one for the manager.

547
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:59,710
The 15 renters, we all know single people do have more than one friend for 15 people.

548
00:44:01,590 --> 00:44:05,030
Because that's what they've asked is for one visitor parking stall, right?

549
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:10,950
And so I think there should be at least another five for those people to have friends over

550
00:44:11,370 --> 00:44:13,210
and maybe have people stay the night.

551
00:44:13,210 --> 00:44:19,170
and for most of the NCL clients, it's their first time

552
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:20,870
from ever moving away from home.

553
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:24,890
So parents and other family members will all be visiting.

554
00:44:26,350 --> 00:44:28,210
There should be at least another five

555
00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:31,310
for those people that are coming to visit as well,

556
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:34,010
for a total of 10.

557
00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:37,030
Extra on top.

558
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:40,890
The one wheelchair, sure, that's bare minimum.

559
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:41,810
I

560
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:57,950
think really they need 12 with their people.

561
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,280
And their people, the guest parking, they need at least 12 more minimum parking stalls.

562
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Pictures I have taken here of the area where the parking is going to be now. So you see on the picture there, the lower parking below the sewage on the picture up there. That is where I've taken the first picture of and it is 90 feet below the sewer line.

563
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:41,540
And at this time, they're only using about 40 to 45 feet of that picture I've taken there of open area.

564
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,540
So it's not really going to be cutting down any more trees.

565
00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:51,090
So there's lots more room there for a building or parking.

566
00:45:55,620 --> 00:46:00,160
The second picture is there if they're parking on the street, looking left and

567
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:00,440
right.

568
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:07,140
Those two cars on both the pictures are over 25 feet away from my,

569
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:10,860
by exiting my driveway, looking both directions.

570
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,480
So parking on the street would totally cause danger to me,

571
00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:20,940
and my people around me that live on my little road

572
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:21,740
that I have in there.

573
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,300
The city made me, if you see the one picture,

574
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:28,400
they made me block off my other exit there.

575
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,960
So there's a fence looking down there too,

576
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,000
that you can see in the picture just barely.

577
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,280
They made me block off my other driveway.

578
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,360
The

579
00:46:38,570 --> 00:46:42,490
east facing, I'm going to move on now to the east facing decks and building.

580
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:50,050
They wanted to move closer and onto my property closer to my property line.

581
00:46:50,670 --> 00:46:59,550
They failed to mention the fact that this would ruin my privacy to my two homes on the east property.

582
00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:05,110
The first picture is looking up at my driveway towards Uplands.

583
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:12,240
Neighbors sit on that deck and tan and barbecue enjoy quiet times.

584
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,620
My kids play hockey and basketball on the concrete pad that you see before the dog.

585
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,540
The second picture is

586
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:30,890
how close they will be standing watching my kids play and watching

587
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:32,450
my neighbors tan.

588
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:33,390
And the

589
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:45,120
front windows that you see upstairs are my children's bedrooms that they are going

590
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,800
to be looking at from

591
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,800
those balconies 10 feet off my property line.

592
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:59,520
And the fifth picture is what I'll be looking at when I go to work every morning at 4.30.

593
00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:08,260
The city should have a by-law in place for apartments that when and if they neighboring

594
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:15,020
property are single-family dwellings and if the builder would like to put apartments sideways

595
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:23,600
on the property, there must be a backyard variance of seven meters for us single-family dwellings.

596
00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:33,400
So this does not happen now or in the future, or up the road at Collins Place,

597
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,140
whereas now for sale, how are we going to tell those people they can't? You guys are making

598
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:42,740
decision here today for that piece of property as well because this is going to

599
00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:47,260
make the difference to call in as well. He has a brand new $1 million home up the

600
00:48:47,260 --> 00:48:51,940
road. The one next door is for sale. They want to see about getting our six zoning

601
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:58,140
there too. Are we going to be allowed to put the apartment sideways in 10 feet from

602
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:01,060
his property line looking in at his family and his kids?

603
00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:08,540
Sorry. As you all saw on

604
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:13,760
the first picture. There is enough room for the building without cutting down more trees.

605
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:21,020
That third building B should be down below, which would give them more suitable parking

606
00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:30,340
up top where most of the apartments are. There's 25 apartments up top. They have six parking

607
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:35,300
stalls for those 25 apartments up top. When it's snowing and raining, who's really going

608
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:40,220
to want to go use those 10 down below. They don't even have a path for them to walk up.

609
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:43,560
They've got to walk up the hill. It's horrible parking,

610
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:47,060
especially you can say in the nature

611
00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:54,180
of the people, right? There's no reason. When I bought this property, it was to give my children

612
00:49:54,180 --> 00:50:02,620
and my family a safe place to play and have fun outside without fear. If these decks even place

613
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:09,820
three meters from our property line will be too close. Needles, razors, cigarettes and

614
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:13,680
other things can be all thrown into our yard with ease.

615
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:20,650
I did discuss this with Graham

616
00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:26,230
before about the third home that backed on to my property. I would give them sewage right

617
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:32,390
away through the bottom end of my property so they could put the third home down and it

618
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:55,270
It was also access the other properties beyond their property for sewage below the line that is there now, because the line where the sewage is now is less than half, those are 540 feet deep, and I think where he's at there is maybe 200 where the sewage is, so there's a lot of wasted land there.

619
00:50:56,310 --> 00:51:07,210
He was talking about also on there about how not him himself, but this thing here at the wetlands.

620
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:08,650
It's not wet back there.

621
00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:13,830
It's gravel all the way to the last maybe 30 feet of the before the creek.

622
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:19,890
And that's how much the zoning by-law asks for is 15 meters, so it's plenty.

623
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:27,270
Anyways, I have no more to say unless you have, okay, one last thing.

624
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:29,850
Sorry. Where is it?

625
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:47,730
This decision you make to hopefully disallow it will make a much better place to protect single family dwellings in the right to our privacy and the way we have it now. Thank you.

626
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:51,330
Thank you very much, sir. I see no questions.

627
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:59,630
Is someone prepared to move the recommendation to go on the floor?

628
00:52:00,730 --> 00:52:04,830
move by Councillor Brennan. Seconded by Councillor Armstrong. Thank you.

629
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:10,430
Discussion? Councillor Armstrong. Thank you. I cannot support the parking

630
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:14,990
variants. I'm very concerned about the lack of parking. Many of the individuals there

631
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:18,890
will have home care support. Where are they going to park? I agree with what the

632
00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:21,950
presenter said that there's visitors. There's whatever and I don't believe one spot

633
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:25,550
is enough. So for those reasons I cannot support the parking variants. Thank you.

634
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:26,050
Thank you.

635
00:52:26,550 --> 00:52:27,470
Councillor Besson.

636
00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:27,990
That's right.

637
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:28,610
Thank you.

638
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:34,630
I will be supporting the variance for the additional height and the parking is an issue,

639
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:35,010
of course.

640
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:41,170
And I do think that this will set a precedent for the neighboring properties that will

641
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:52,890
just simply magnify and proliferate the problem of parking and density, which density is

642
00:52:52,890 --> 00:53:00,170
It's a double-edged sword, it's kind of good, but not always, and not in every location, and not in every place.

643
00:53:01,470 --> 00:53:08,950
And over the years, I've often times challenged how dense is dense, and I have a real serious concern,

644
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:19,490
not with the proponents and what their intentions are, but rather the location and the impact that it will

645
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:24,990
will have on neighboring properties in the future, so I won't be supporting them.

646
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:25,970
Thank you.

647
00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:27,250
Councilor Hong.

648
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:31,190
Thank you, actually unlike the last one, I will support this variance.

649
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:39,270
For that reason is because this is a good project.

650
00:53:39,730 --> 00:53:41,970
This is going to add to affordable housing.

651
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:49,190
It's not a lot, but it is 15 affordable rental housing units as we know that rental

652
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:57,030
units, not everybody has a car, so I'm not as concerned, and ACL has a great reputation

653
00:53:57,770 --> 00:54:06,930
for care for their clients. And having an on-site manager, it is really good for development

654
00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:13,270
this size. If the residents have concerns and issues, they can easily address this.

655
00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:19,170
You're

656
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:26,590
And I will support those variances, and I think this is a good project, and this is going to afford, you know, give a nice home for the people at the AACL.

657
00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:27,850
Thank you.

658
00:54:28,290 --> 00:54:29,590
Thank you, Councilor Thorpe.

659
00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:31,270
Thank you, Chair.

660
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:37,150
Similar to Councillor Hong, I have supported this project when it's come before us.

661
00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:42,350
I think NACL is a very worthwhile organization.

662
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:48,830
I certainly had a close look at the parking variance, and it was a concern to me, but I was satisfied when

663
00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:55,930
I read the report of the rationale for the reduction, and I'm not totally comfortable

664
00:54:55,930 --> 00:55:00,070
with it, but I think I can support it based on what I have read.

665
00:55:00,570 --> 00:55:08,010
The other variances, although I sympathize with the delegation, the other variances are

666
00:55:08,010 --> 00:55:14,610
relatively minor, and I don't think would greatly affect the overall result of the building.

667
00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:21,530
And I recognize that he has concerns about the project and its design overall,

668
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:24,430
but I think we're basically past that point now.

669
00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:29,550
So the bottom line for me is I can live with the parking variants, and I will support

670
00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:30,230
the recommendation.

671
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:32,450
Thank you, Councillor Brennan.

672
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:38,170
I don't have anything to add to what the Councillor Hall and Councillor Thorpe

673
00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:49,650
of said, I support this application, I support the NACL, I am very happy that their clients

674
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:57,490
will have this kind of housing, it's housing that we've needed for some time and I look

675
00:55:57,490 --> 00:56:06,890
forward to seeing it happen, I think, you know, we live in a city, sometimes we can see our

676
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:13,370
on the street, playing hockey and whatever, and from my point of view, that's a good

677
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:19,150
thing that we can watch each other's children play. So, I'm really satisfied with this.

678
00:56:19,830 --> 00:56:24,670
Thank you. So, Councilor Firelli, if you ask the question, I will call the question all

679
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:31,090
those in favor? Opposed? So, Councilor Armstrong, Councilor Besswick, opposed? Motion carries.

680
00:56:32,850 --> 00:56:38,690
Next item, development permit number 1093 at 4775 up on Strive.

681
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:41,710
To be introduced by Mr. Lindsay.

682
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:46,190
Thank you, Worship.

683
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:49,050
This is development permit as you mentioned on the subject property.

684
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:54,970
This is for two four story buildings and it's the next phase of the successful Longwood

685
00:56:54,970 --> 00:56:55,490
project.

686
00:56:55,650 --> 00:56:59,950
There is a height variance is being requested and I would note that's to allow for Gable

687
00:57:01,450 --> 00:57:04,630
with the overall design that you see in that community.

688
00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:10,740
Thank you very much.

689
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:13,900
We have one delegation and that is Judith Guy,

690
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:14,520
and

691
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:24,820
I hope I pronounce it properly.

692
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:26,580
Actually, it's Guy, but thank you.

693
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor and thank you to the council members who are here.

694
00:57:32,140 --> 00:57:35,800
We are here, Mr. Jackson and myself,

695
00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:41,060
not representing any of the people other than ourselves.

696
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:48,740
We are here as residents of the strata, the IS-499, with concerns about this new development

697
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:54,320
of two apartment buildings with 86 units slated to eventually become part of our strata.

698
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:03,700
And if you're looking at the map and the map on the page there, it will be in the lower

699
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:09,400
the right area of 4775 that this building is going in.

700
00:58:10,060 --> 00:58:16,200
The part vote line by red, there is only one street

701
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,700
that goes into this development, and it's a laneway.

702
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,420
It doesn't have shoulders, it basically allows two cars to pass.

703
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:30,860
With this new development, there will be seven driveways opening onto a lane that is about

704
00:58:30,860 --> 00:58:34,580
about 175 meters long, about a city block.

705
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,000
Currently, there are three entrances with 117 units using

706
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,120
underground parking ramps that have limited visibility.

707
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,780
So as we come out of some of those buildings,

708
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:49,480
it isn't a clear visibility to see who's moving along

709
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,320
at Waterland.

710
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:58,170
Three other buildings further on down, use this driveway

711
00:58:58,170 --> 00:59:05,410
way and they are 164 units and they use this driveway to access uplands because the visibility

712
00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:08,370
is somewhat better than it is in front of another building.

713
00:59:10,290 --> 00:59:18,350
This new development will add 86 units but an increase of four driveways, two for off-road

714
00:59:18,350 --> 00:59:25,390
parking and two for underground parking and one of them has a very sharp U-shaped turn

715
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:30,510
to get into the underground parking, making visibility different, are very difficult.

716
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:38,570
That's building B. In 175 meters, which is about one city block, there will be seven parking

717
00:59:38,570 --> 00:59:43,810
driveways with the potential use overall by 367 units.

718
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:46,910
Some residents having more than two cars.

719
00:59:48,350 --> 00:59:52,410
So in this area right now, we have residents who walk.

720
00:59:52,410 --> 00:59:58,570
some of them have mobility limitations and often others use the roadway to walk.

721
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
Go grocery shopping into walk their dogs. So if you factor into that picture, a big garbage truck parked at the top of one of those ramps going to the underground parking to pick up the garbage and then this increase in the number of cars that would be using that now our roadway, it really does affect how people walk and move around in our complex. The general development permit area design guide states

722
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:39,860
that off-speak parking should be provided in a number of small parking areas separated by areas of landscaping and safety includes, for example,

723
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:51,900
designs that successfully integrate pedestrian and vehicle circulation or project designs that promote social interaction and a sense of mutual responsibility for one another safety.

724
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:55,560
We see this as quite a serious safety issue.

725
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:01,240
many of the residents, it's not limited to people who are elderly, but many of the residents

726
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:09,300
are older. And we hope that this plan could be revised with some of the parking access

727
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:19,480
be reduced so that driveways will not come into such a condensed area. I see it is quite

728
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:20,560
a serious issue.

729
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,700
And then we're also concerned about the unnecessary removal of mature trees.

730
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:35,800
There are at estimate 50 trees on this property that are between 60 and 70 feet tall. And all

731
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:42,420
of our buildings in this area have surrounding clumps of trees that really give a sense of privacy

732
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:50,280
for each building in a sense of, I guess it's a sense of structure of a very nice garden landscape.

733
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:59,040
and the indication from what we can see on the plans is that five single-spaced

734
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,380
five-meter Douglas fir trees will be added after all this timber has taken

735
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:09,860
down there will be a lot of small landscape strawberry but basically in

736
01:02:09,860 --> 01:02:14,320
terms of the very large trees they are stated to be removed.

737
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:17,640
Also under the

738
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:23,040
general development permit area design guidelines, the development must relate to the natural

739
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:29,000
real environment, and it's a fundamental aspect of quality of life and an IMO. Building

740
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,260
in site design should therefore complement and relate to the character of this site.

741
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,220
And certainly for the other buildings on the Longwood development, those trees have been

742
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:45,960
preserved and protected in plumps, certainly not intense through the whole area, but there

743
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,560
There are enough trees to be significant and that will change with this development.

744
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,780
So we're asking that these two things be considered.

745
01:02:57,810 --> 01:03:00,640
The safety issue is really key.

746
01:03:02,020 --> 01:03:07,600
We don't want people injured and we want people to be able to move around with a sense of safety

747
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:08,100
and comfort.

748
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:13,840
And the other one is that once those trees come down they won't be back.

749
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,940
360 and 70 feet tall. Take a long time to grow.

750
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:23,030
So we're asking that consideration be given

751
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:26,310
in the planning of the sighting of those two buildings.

752
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:34,620
Thank you. Thank you. Before you go away, we have a question from Councillor Armstrong.

753
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:39,140
Well, thank you. I appreciate your concerns, however. What we're being asked to is to look

754
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:44,360
at the maximum building height increase from 14 meters to 16 meters. Do you have any,

755
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:46,740
I never

756
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:52,880
not why we're here. And we didn't say that was why. That's what we asked to vote on though.

757
01:03:53,820 --> 01:04:00,700
Okay, so then who do we speak to about this? Because we have phone City Hall on three or four occasions asking who to speak to?

758
01:04:03,580 --> 01:04:09,880
No, you're at the right place. Sorry? Yes. We're approving a development for Ed Vellan-Berman tonight with one variance.

759
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,160
Okay. Thank you very much. No other questions for you. Oh, Councillor Brennan, do you have a question for the delegation?

760
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:24,660
I don't know. It isn't that one number one. I apologize for not giving back to you. Okay. Thank you. But thank you. I do want to ask some questions.

761
01:04:29,570 --> 01:04:46,830
Go ahead. So, when we have a question like this, the request in front of us is for this variance. But we have concern. I don't necessarily have concerns about the height, but

762
01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:51,650
But they do have concerns about the buffering between the two projects.

763
01:04:53,530 --> 01:05:01,270
So while we have that question before us in terms of height, if I want to address this

764
01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:08,290
or if the neighbors want to address this, where do they go or can they go anywhere, do

765
01:05:08,290 --> 01:05:14,930
our bylaws provide for opportunities to ask for more buffering.

766
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:24,950
because when I drove through Longwood, it was carefully constructed for that reason,

767
01:05:25,090 --> 01:05:25,210
right?

768
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:30,590
And now it comes to the neighbor and it doesn't appear to be as important and I wonder

769
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:33,390
how or if we can address that.

770
01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:44,220
Generally your worship with development permits, they brought before council because we feel

771
01:05:44,220 --> 01:05:48,000
they comply with the forming character guidelines that the city has.

772
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:54,640
So, unless there is a specific variance that council has concern with, it's somewhat difficult

773
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,740
to turn down development permit unless you believe staff are wrong and there's something

774
01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:05,160
fundamentally about this design that does not comply with the city's design guidelines.

775
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,940
Not the guidelines of the development or the strata, but the city's design guidelines.

776
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:15,680
And in this case, staff are the perspective that they do comply.

777
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:21,120
There's an image, maybe I could just ask page 150 to be brought up.

778
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:27,040
This is the overall landscape plan, but what I wanted to comment on is there is as

779
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,180
the delegation mentioned, a number of access points into that internal roadway.

780
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:35,900
Again, that's a private roadway, Edgewater, it's not a city road that was part of the original

781
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:39,900
comprehensive plan from 1995, I think it was.

782
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:46,400
So the number of accesses along that road, although we review it, it's ultimately not controlled by city by law.

783
01:06:46,540 --> 01:06:53,560
So there's no real concern from an access point where we're concerned is where edgewater hits uplands, and that's where our staff would be looking at.

784
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,680
But staff have no concerns again. It's in our minds with the original intent of the property.

785
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:09,080
In terms of the overall design, the variance height variance is partially a response to that design, those design cues that are on the surrounding buildings.

786
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,720
And all is also is the significant amounts of underground parking.

787
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:22,560
So there is some surface parking here, but the vast majority of the parking will be under building as it is with the original phases of the Longwood development.

788
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:38,750
Do we have any input into, like I would think that the design advisory panel has input into saying we'd like it if you could keep more trees here or there or whatever.

789
01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:39,730
Who's responsible?

790
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:40,350
Who did it?

791
01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:41,250
Yeah, absolutely.

792
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:45,610
That's something that staff look at, first of all, in all cases, but also the design panel.

793
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:53,650
And in the report, there's a number of recommendations that came forward with from the design panel that then the applicants go back in their architect, try to incorporate into the project.

794
01:07:53,830 --> 01:07:58,690
So any opportunity to preserve existing tree canopy is always something that we will look for.

795
01:07:59,110 --> 01:08:04,050
To be honest, it becomes difficult, especially with you're talking large-scale fir trees.

796
01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:10,730
So it becomes difficult to develop a site and retain sufficient enough buffers around those trees to allow for their protection.

797
01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:16,210
So, as I think was mentioned by the delegation, although there may be opportunities for limited tree protection,

798
01:08:16,510 --> 01:08:24,030
there is a substantial tree replanting with some of those being large scale, or ultimately will be large scale trees.

799
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:26,680
Thank you.

800
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:28,180
Councillor Hong.

801
01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:36,720
Thank you. Through you to staff, was this phase and this size, it said that it conformed

802
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:43,940
to what staff recommendations were, so they're not asking for more units than what they originally had asked for, is that correct?

803
01:08:48,770 --> 01:08:53,410
I'm not sure what you mean by, so I'm not sure you mean by originally it asked for, if you mean what had been

804
01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:55,390
originally identified in the master plan?

805
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:56,110
Yes.

806
01:08:57,610 --> 01:09:00,750
I'm sorry, I don't recall if there was an exact number of units.

807
01:09:00,790 --> 01:09:06,990
What I would say is the building form in massing is as per the original master plan.

808
01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:21,910
Okay, because I'm just reading on here, the subject property has two covenants registered on title that restricts the scale of the development unit size and total number of units and provide additional design and as a proposed development meets all of the covenant requirements.

809
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:24,230
That's sorry, I better understand the question.

810
01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:27,830
Yes, in that case, the covenants that were registered at the time of the original master plan.

811
01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:33,470
Again, this project complies with the intent of that master plan and those specific covenants, yes.

812
01:09:33,850 --> 01:09:38,330
Great, so the residents at that time knew that this was going to be developed.

813
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:40,110
This isn't something that we're throwing on.

814
01:09:40,850 --> 01:09:44,550
Those people that are living in these complexes, saying that you're taking away our park space.

815
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:49,670
They knew that this was coming or it was proposed to come.

816
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:53,390
And I didn't hear that, to be fair, from speakers, I didn't hear them say that.

817
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:58,730
I think everybody that lives there understands that this was the next phase in that overall.

818
01:09:58,770 --> 01:09:59,350
Thank you.

819
01:10:00,930 --> 01:10:01,690
Councillor Fuller,

820
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:06,080
just a quick question.

821
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:14,780
If this development did not have the recommendation for the variance, would it even be coming before us?

822
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:24,800
Given the size of the project, they still would have likely need to come to council.

823
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,500
under your delegation bylaw? I know you're getting under your delegation bylaw.

824
01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:33,220
If there's no variances or only minor variances, those can be deferred to staff to approve those

825
01:10:33,220 --> 01:10:37,120
forming character development permits. But I think this project just on the number of units,

826
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:42,620
if it's not on, it's very close to that bar when it would need to ultimately come to council with or without variances.

827
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:46,940
That's just curious. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Thorough.

828
01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:53,860
Thank you, Chair. To me, this seems somewhat similar to the previous

829
01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:56,880
I said, development permit that we were talking about a few minutes ago.

830
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:06,680
Again, I have sympathy for the delegation, but I repeat as Councillor Armstrong said,

831
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:13,380
what we're here to do is approve the increase in building height, the variation of two meters,

832
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:20,520
which to me does not greatly change the overall development and the look of it.

833
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:29,440
And it seems to me that although I don't know that all of the residents that are existing in the buildings

834
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:36,520
and nearby knew of this pending development, but the fact remains that this fits zoning.

835
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:40,620
The project is within the guidelines that the city had set out.

836
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:48,600
And I'm sure they would prefer that there was a bigger buffer or that there was fewer,

837
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:55,600
There were fewer intrusions on to their privacy, but this does fit with the current zoning and it is allowable.

838
01:11:56,500 --> 01:12:02,440
And so, if I am only looking at the variants for height, I'll be supporting that, and

839
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:03,940
therefore supporting this project.

840
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:04,720
Thank you.

841
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:06,160
Thank you.

842
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:08,870
Councillor Verdon.

843
01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:17,370
Yeah, I don't feel that there is any alternative to supporting this, and so I will.

844
01:12:17,370 --> 01:12:33,390
Well, but I would urge the developer to meet with the neighbors in a meaningful way and see if the issue of the buffering can be better addressed, at least close to their satisfaction.

845
01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:36,470
Thank you very much.

846
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:38,670
Someone prepared to move the recommendation.

847
01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:40,510
Moved by Councillor Hone.

848
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:43,130
Seconded by Councillor Armstrong.

849
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:44,790
Thank you. Any further discussion?

850
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:46,030
Councillor Hone.

851
01:12:46,030 --> 01:12:50,310
Thank you. Yes, this did come before the Design Advisory Panel.

852
01:12:50,950 --> 01:13:00,350
As you can see on the recommendations, they did make a lot, and the developer actually has acknowledged all those changes and improved on the recommendations.

853
01:13:01,070 --> 01:13:02,530
So, they're for a support. Thank you.

854
01:13:02,990 --> 01:13:04,010
Thank you very much.

855
01:13:04,670 --> 01:13:09,810
If you're ready to call the question, I'll call the questionals in favor, opposed motion carries.

856
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:15,170
Next one, BC Energy Step Code Implementation Strategy.

857
01:13:15,170 --> 01:13:17,070
to be introduced by Mr. Lindsay.

858
01:13:18,940 --> 01:13:19,700
Thank you, Worship.

859
01:13:19,940 --> 01:13:25,580
I mean, immediately turn it over to Rob Lawrence, who is our environmental planner, as a brief presentation to walk you through the report this evening.

860
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:26,660
Thank you.

861
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:28,480
Your Worship.

862
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:37,600
The intention is really to seek your endorsement to implement a strategy to implement the BC Energy Step Code.

863
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,100
And I'm going to go through a few slides just to give you a bit of background.

864
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:49,320
So, the code itself is a provincial legislation that was adopted in April 2017 and came into a force in December.

865
01:13:49,780 --> 01:13:57,980
It builds on the BC building code by providing a voluntary compliance path to focusing on energy efficiency.

866
01:13:58,740 --> 01:14:07,120
It's looking at performance based targets as opposed to prescriptive, which allows flexibility by the builder in how they meet the steps.

867
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:13,400
steps and works toward an ultimate compliance that the province is looking at for 2032.

868
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:22,760
When you look at the step code diagram here, step for part nine buildings, steps run

869
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:29,320
from one to five, step one being code compliance, so basically existing code with doing an energy

870
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,820
assessment or energy modeling depending on the scale of the building energy.

871
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:38,700
And then progressively going up to scales, similar to for step two,

872
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,600
being entered guide 80 and all the way up to net zero ready,

873
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,740
which is going to be a requirement by the province by that time in 2032.

874
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:54,440
So it provides an opportunity through a step process and with a long time frame for

875
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,920
local governments to work with the local building community.

876
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:58,660
and

877
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:17,260
And an other stakeholders to come up with a series of either incentives or regulatory measures to eventually work toward meeting the target in 2032. As for part nine buildings, there's a similar code for part three high performance,

878
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:20,840
and more complex buildings that go up at step four.

879
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:27,120
And the NIMO is within the area where part three buildings can also participate in the program.

880
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:36,040
So a key component I think at this stage for us is education and awareness and

881
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:41,320
encouraging the use of home energy assessors and energy modeling.

882
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:46,620
So one thing we do want to see as an important step in this is developing an energy

883
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:52,660
rebate program basically following a similar structure to what the regional district has been

884
01:15:52,660 --> 01:16:01,060
following for a few years where home energy assessments can receive a rebate for doing an

885
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:02,120
assessment for their home.

886
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,940
The only difference in the NIMO is that we would look at doing new constructions as well as

887
01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:12,860
existing homes for the first year to allow for education and awareness about the energy

888
01:16:12,860 --> 01:16:20,160
step code and the requirements to meet those steps as a way of encouraging education and training by the building community.

889
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:31,440
So for an initial rebate for $150, home energy assessment could be done, we would encourage that to be at the mid construction stage.

890
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:38,880
So there's an opportunity to look for opportunities to improve efficiency for a new home, but for an existing home it would be likely,

891
01:16:38,880 --> 01:17:01,520
Again, at one point in time, and a follow-up rebate would be allowed with additional funds up to $200, depending on how much more efficient the home is for an existing home, and whether or not for a new construction, any kind of issues that needed to be improved upon were completed by the end of construction.

892
01:17:02,940 --> 01:17:15,520
The other components of the strategy really look at the training opportunities and the good connections we have with the building community, but also with the regional district and other communities up and down the islands.

893
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:29,760
So there have been efforts and initiatives already underway at the city's been participating in and we would continue to do that and build those baisons and develop training opportunities that fit what the needs are for the building community here.

894
01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:48,780
We would also look at some incentive opportunities beginning with looking at some amendments to our schedule D in the zoning by-law where we are going to we would allow additional amenity points for builders that meet or exceed step three.

895
01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:59,200
and also as a kind of a fundamental step looking at the building by law and requiring

896
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:07,740
that step one become a requirement for all construction in a one year effective date

897
01:18:07,740 --> 01:18:11,720
from when the by-laws is introduced to council.

898
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:39,480
So again, step one is simply going through and doing an energy assessment to confirm what's already required in the building in the building code so it's not going any further than what's already done currently, but it provides that opportunity for education awareness and for the builder in the homeowner to understand what the actual energy efficiency of the home they're getting is at the end of the day.

899
01:18:41,690 --> 01:18:52,850
The other point would be looking at further down the road in 2019, looking at a re-zoning policy to require multi-family mixed use buildings to enter into a cover.

900
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:55,650
Covenant where they would require step two compliance.

901
01:18:56,810 --> 01:19:09,810
Throughout all these steps, we would continue to monitor and work with the building community to see how the responses as we've kind of moved through these steps going forward between now in 2020 and we would make adjustments as we go forward.

902
01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:15,710
Those are my slides, but I'm happy to take any questions.

903
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:16,870
Thank you.

904
01:19:16,990 --> 01:19:17,330
It comes wrong.

905
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:21,910
Thank you, thank you, staff for that presentation.

906
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:26,510
I think it's great that if we can build more energy efficient housing, obviously we know

907
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:32,690
BC Hydro and everything isn't going down, so that's good, but I just have a question with

908
01:19:32,690 --> 01:19:34,310
regards to a cost.

909
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:41,330
For example, a standard house built up building code will say is half a million dollars to

910
01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:49,390
build it? What from step two, I guess the three to four to five, what are the costs?

911
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:55,050
So how do we justify that two residents that are interested in buying a step four house?

912
01:19:56,210 --> 01:20:01,250
I guess to underscore things at this point, we're not going to be requiring higher steps.

913
01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:05,650
This is going to be a voluntary measure so that there are incentives for

914
01:20:05,650 --> 01:20:19,930
or developers who are willing, for example, for additional density to go to those higher steps and I would argue by getting that additional density that's covering the cost that they would have to meet to try and get to those higher steps.

915
01:20:20,810 --> 01:20:32,770
So at the end of the day you get a better product and the resident gets a better more energy efficient home and we still meet those, those needs and in ways like that as opposed to just making it a regulatory requirement at this point.

916
01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:41,230
Great. Thank you. Then just to follow up on that with regards to the $150 and to the $200

917
01:20:41,230 --> 01:20:49,370
rebate. Is that enough initiative for a builder, a new house to apply for that?

918
01:20:49,450 --> 01:20:58,270
It's per house. It's an incentive. There are other rebates out there that a developer or

919
01:20:58,270 --> 01:21:02,010
or an existing homeowner could take advantage of depending on what their needs are.

920
01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:07,530
An energy home assessment can run anywhere from $300 to $500 depending on the scale of the home.

921
01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:13,090
So it does provide a significant incentive and there'll as they say through

922
01:21:13,090 --> 01:21:17,490
Terrison, through BC Hydro, there are the rebates out there that they can double up on if they wish.

923
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:22,030
And we would provide that information on our website as part of the rebate web page.

924
01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:23,010
Okay, thank you.

925
01:21:23,010 --> 01:21:29,670
Thank you very much. I just wanted to just make a comment and that is the tool of

926
01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:35,830
incentivizing with the identity balancing. We know that that tools are already being

927
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:46,370
used by many communities to help with non-market housing in current developments. So I can see

928
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:51,970
some challenges. And I said that at the event that we are the training session that we attended

929
01:21:51,970 --> 01:21:57,550
at the RDN that I'm concerned that when you're offering density-bonusing for non-markerable

930
01:21:57,550 --> 01:22:03,310
housing, you know, embedded in a project, then you're offering more density-bonusing

931
01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:11,630
or the tools already been used for this type of thing for the step code.

932
01:22:12,170 --> 01:22:13,450
There could be some conflicts.

933
01:22:13,450 --> 01:22:24,630
If I recall, the unit at Bonerode, the NMO Aboriginal Center, they were around 10% premium,

934
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:30,550
but they were working, at least to explain, I understand they were working, it was the first

935
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:39,110
time, it was a passive house, and they discovered that they actually had, they actually had, they

936
01:22:39,110 --> 01:23:03,770
While I did head on with the new seismic code however in the building of that they actually learned a lot of things that they could actually reduce some of the exterior walls, walls because of the pillars that they were creating and in fact they said they could probably they had to do that project again, the premium would be significantly less, I guess that's what they advised me. Thank you.

937
01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:07,470
So, I have no further questions for you, Mr. Lawrence.

938
01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:08,950
Thank you.

939
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:09,530
Thank you.

940
01:23:11,090 --> 01:23:14,710
Next item is back to the supervised consumption service.

941
01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:26,570
Well, I'm sorry, pardon me, that Council endorsed the implementation strategy of the Energy Step Code as outlined with the report titled BC Energy Step Code Implementation Strategy.

942
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:28,050
Council are home.

943
01:23:29,170 --> 01:23:30,470
And the second right, Council are kept.

944
01:23:30,650 --> 01:23:30,950
Thank you.

945
01:23:31,410 --> 01:23:32,330
All is in favor.

946
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:34,530
Opposed motion carries.

947
01:23:35,210 --> 01:23:40,870
Now, supervised consumption service, proposed zoning by law amendments to be introduced by Mr.

948
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:41,150
Lindsay.

949
01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:43,170
Thank you, Worship.

950
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:48,990
As you mentioned, this report's regarding supervised consumption services, but maybe just a back up a little bit in some history.

951
01:23:49,670 --> 01:23:56,550
It's been over 10 years since the city looked at zoning for what I would call its social service uses.

952
01:23:57,310 --> 01:24:00,990
At that time, when the last sort of comprehensive review was done,

953
01:24:00,990 --> 01:24:06,250
There's three main categories identified for social service uses, basically office,

954
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:13,390
people providing advocacy and counseling, and then the third tier being for drug and alcohol treatment.

955
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:19,070
The drug treatment portion was left at that time as a site-specific rezoning.

956
01:24:19,630 --> 01:24:25,570
So today if you want to have a supervised consumption service in the community, it requires site-specific rezoning.

957
01:24:25,570 --> 01:24:40,490
And if you recall a number of months ago, Dr. Hasselbeck from Ireland Health was in front of you and one of his recommendations was that we may be time to step back and look at how the community deals was zoning specifically in response to the overdose crisis that we're currently experiencing.

958
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:51,050
So this report before this evening is just the first step in the staff are recommending that it is time to review our regulations around social service zoning.

959
01:24:51,050 --> 01:25:01,930
and by a way of kicking off this process, recommending that you refer it to the Planning and Development Committee and the Public Safety Committee for their review and input.

960
01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:03,150
Thank you.

961
01:25:03,490 --> 01:25:05,690
Is anyone prepared to move the recommendation?

962
01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:09,230
Thank you, Councillor Hone, and seconded by Councillor Armstrong.

963
01:25:09,670 --> 01:25:09,970
Thank you.

964
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:11,730
Any discussion?

965
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:16,630
Seeing none, a couple of questions, a favor? Opposed? Motion carries.

966
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:24,290
Next one is for the provincial support of Daytime Drop-in Resource Center to be introduced by Mr. Lindsay.

967
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:26,150
Again, thank you, Worship.

968
01:25:26,610 --> 01:25:33,990
Councillor, you'll recall that in your 2018 budget, you specifically added $100,000 for Daytime Drop-in.

969
01:25:34,490 --> 01:25:41,570
At that time, staff did note that the only way to bring forward a project would be to use that money in conjunction with other partners.

970
01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:48,030
that we neither need to find other partners to bring forward a daytime drop-in facility.

971
01:25:48,850 --> 01:25:53,530
So this is what we believe is the best approach after talking to those partners is the recommendation

972
01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:59,730
for a letter to be sent from the mayor's office through our MLA Leonard Kroge requesting

973
01:26:00,430 --> 01:26:04,590
that it be brought forward to an inter-ministerial forum for consideration.

974
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:09,910
So the draft letter is attached to the report and we're seeking councils endorsement this

975
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:10,090
evening.

976
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:12,070
Thank you very much.

977
01:26:12,290 --> 01:26:14,430
We do have one delegation, Mr. Matthew O'Donnell.

978
01:26:26,730 --> 01:26:27,150
Thank you, sir.

979
01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:27,890
You have ten minutes.

980
01:26:28,530 --> 01:26:28,870
Thank you.

981
01:26:29,170 --> 01:26:30,110
I'll be brief.

982
01:26:30,630 --> 01:26:30,830
Hi.

983
01:26:30,910 --> 01:26:32,170
My name is Matthew O'Donnell.

984
01:26:32,670 --> 01:26:35,290
I live on Old Victoria Road in Nanaimo.

985
01:26:36,570 --> 01:26:43,090
I'm here just to talk about the drop-in center and kind of how it's gone.

986
01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:49,670
How it was originally discussed back in March and how it's kind of evolved now to a $650,000

987
01:26:51,970 --> 01:27:01,290
project where the city is now going to be asking the provincial government for $550,000 of that $650,000 per year.

988
01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:18,410
To make this drop in center happen, and of the $650,000, $400,000 of that is earmarked every year just for four staff members, apparently three outreach workers and one maintenance personnel, whatever that means.

989
01:27:19,230 --> 01:27:23,550
So, as a private citizen, I would like to say that if you're going to direct Mayor McCay

990
01:27:23,550 --> 01:27:28,410
to ask the provincial government for over a half million dollars, then why not ask for

991
01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:34,150
something that will directly help ease the pressure of the homeless crisis, something that

992
01:27:34,150 --> 01:27:37,530
a $650,000 a year center will not provide.

993
01:27:38,410 --> 01:27:44,090
Most homeless people I have spoken to about the drop-in center, and this was when the number

994
01:27:44,090 --> 01:27:45,890
are floated around with only $100,000.

995
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:49,570
Most are in opposition of the drop-and-center due

996
01:27:49,570 --> 01:27:52,270
to the high cost and the fact that these drop-and-centres

997
01:27:52,270 --> 01:27:55,490
have existed before, and preferred to see that money

998
01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:59,210
to go into actual housing or initiatives

999
01:27:59,210 --> 01:28:00,790
that would provide immediate housing.

1000
01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:05,030
Now that it's at over $650,000 per year,

1001
01:28:05,250 --> 01:28:06,250
that's a huge number.

1002
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:08,910
And if we were going to ask for that large amount from the province,

1003
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:11,250
could we not earmark those funds somewhere

1004
01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:16,590
where it would have a more immediate effect on the clear homeless crisis that we're experiencing

1005
01:28:16,590 --> 01:28:18,770
right here in Denimo, right in this downtown.

1006
01:28:19,730 --> 01:28:24,330
I would suggest with all due respect that our municipal government is slightly out of touch

1007
01:28:24,330 --> 01:28:28,390
with the true reality on the ground here in Denimo pertaining to the homeless crisis.

1008
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:32,670
And please understand that I use the word crisis and the truest of words.

1009
01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:36,330
It's not just a tagline for me, it's a real crisis.

1010
01:28:37,670 --> 01:28:44,530
If we're going to ask the province for over half a million dollars, then let's ask for something that will actually fight back against this crisis.

1011
01:28:45,070 --> 01:28:55,150
Instead of asking for an extremely expensive $650,000 bandaid that will do absolutely nothing to mitigate this crisis and will maintain the status quo.

1012
01:28:55,150 --> 01:29:00,770
And if we would like to look at the status quo, we all we have to really look at is one port drive or

1013
01:29:00,770 --> 01:29:04,890
the tents that are here at the conference center right now outside.

1014
01:29:05,310 --> 01:29:08,650
Just people staying out of the rain and whatnot, we're in crisis mode.

1015
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:13,930
So I really don't think that a $650,000 drop in center is the answer.

1016
01:29:14,030 --> 01:29:18,790
I think that we need more immediate solutions, so that's realistically all I have to say about that.

1017
01:29:19,190 --> 01:29:20,990
Thank you very much.

1018
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:21,930
Those are wrong.

1019
01:29:22,690 --> 01:29:23,030
Thank you.

1020
01:29:23,230 --> 01:29:23,930
Thank you, Mr. Donald.

1021
01:29:24,170 --> 01:29:24,710
Just a question.

1022
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:32,370
When staff brought this to us, to debate, why didn't you come and tell us that you didn't

1023
01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:33,130
need the $100,000?

1024
01:29:33,390 --> 01:29:35,070
Why did we waste so much time doing this?

1025
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:37,310
If now you're telling us that it's not going to make a difference?

1026
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:41,470
With all due respect, I really hope you're not putting this back on me as a private citizen.

1027
01:29:42,030 --> 01:29:47,790
The fact of the matter is, in March, you know, that was part of the city offered

1028
01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:52,450
that they're going to put $100,000 toward the drop-in center.

1029
01:29:52,730 --> 01:29:57,130
I've been in support of a place for homeless people to go during the day,

1030
01:29:57,550 --> 01:29:59,330
where they can get out of the rain, where they don't have to-

1031
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,580
In the doorways of your businesses, I'm in favor of that. What I'm not in favor of is a $650,000 project where $400,000 of it is earmarked toward staffing. So I'm in favor of a project that puts homeless people somewhere. I'm not in favor of an overfunded $650,000 a year of monstrosity. How much did you really think it was going to cost? I don't know how much does it cost to rent a building in downtown and Imo for commercial reasons $1,000 a month?

1032
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:45,760
Good luck, but the problem is staff, we as a city, pay people well, unless it's nonprofits are going to step up to do this, and from what I can see, we didn't have anybody step up to do this.

1033
01:30:46,060 --> 01:30:57,740
So if we have to do this, and we want to do it properly with the proper help, properly train people, nobody is going to go to school to become a nurse aid and all these other things.

1034
01:30:57,740 --> 01:31:00,220
things, and do this for free.

1035
01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:06,020
That wasn't our expectation, our expectation was to put $100,000 as a placeholder to get

1036
01:31:06,020 --> 01:31:10,500
other people to buy in to it so we can actually make a center that was actually making a

1037
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:16,400
difference, not renting a space and saying, hey, you can come in here because we have a space

1038
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,380
with somebody that's just volunteering.

1039
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:20,040
That wasn't the goal.

1040
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:31,400
The goal was to actually make a space have services, have experienced staff, help these people, and that was the goal.

1041
01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:44,760
So, I don't understand what you thought we were going to do, because, you know, the goal when I read this from our council was, this was a placeholder, we were going to try to get other funding and other organizations to step up.

1042
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:48,920
This just isn't a city of the NIMO council issue.

1043
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:50,820
This is a provincial issue, this is a federal issue.

1044
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,100
If we can get money from these other levels of government, why not?

1045
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:55,540
Let's try it.

1046
01:31:56,100 --> 01:32:00,360
So I will fully support this and our staff's effort to get to this point.

1047
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:01,240
Thank you.

1048
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:01,940
Absolutely.

1049
01:32:02,140 --> 01:32:07,940
I would just like to rebut really quickly about once again with the cost.

1050
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,780
I personally firsthand know several like many actually outreach workers,

1051
01:32:12,780 --> 01:32:18,500
professionals who are more than qualified to provide outreach to the homeless who they're

1052
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:22,300
more than happy to just volunteer their time to do it because it's important to them and

1053
01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:27,880
because they care about their city. So don't tell me for one second nobody can tell me that for

1054
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:34,960
four salary positions it's going to be $400,000. That's BS. You know it, I know it.

1055
01:32:35,580 --> 01:32:40,100
You haven't seen this stuff, wages and what nurses and doctors and everybody else makes.

1056
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:44,920
That's the standard one you go ask an outreach worker and then I'm older. They make $100,000 a year

1057
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:49,080
I don't think so not even with benefits and I'm not saying that they don't deserve it either

1058
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:55,460
I'm just saying that you're you're $400,000 for four staff positions is outrageous. That's all I'm saying

1059
01:32:56,620 --> 01:32:58,840
Okay, this is supposed to be for questions

1060
01:32:58,840 --> 01:32:59,940
Kelsa run

1061
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:09,140
Questions of him not questions. Okay, I thought I was back there on question period

1062
01:33:10,740 --> 01:33:20,060
Mr. O'Donnell, we've been sort of watching the homeless in this camp that we have.

1063
01:33:20,940 --> 01:33:25,080
And at the beginning we were told that there was a council.

1064
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:32,040
I'm assuming that it would have been an elected council of the individual residents there.

1065
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:43,660
and that decision-making was placed in the hands of the council. And I assumed that meant that there

1066
01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:50,480
was confidence that that council was going to make good decisions and be looking out for the

1067
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:59,060
welfare and the interests of the residents at the camp. I think we've seen that that's a fallen apart

1068
01:33:59,060 --> 01:34:08,940
a little bit. People volunteering their time to create a government structure, and with

1069
01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:15,240
that comes I am assuming some enforcement. How else do you say to people, well you know

1070
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:21,140
what, your behavior is such that we just can't let you stay here, you've got to go, so I'm

1071
01:34:21,140 --> 01:34:27,380
not sure how that gets enforced. So yeah, so in my view, maybe it's naive, but I'm kind

1072
01:34:27,380 --> 01:34:38,020
of taking that experience and putting it on the drop in center and saying, well, if you

1073
01:34:38,020 --> 01:34:46,220
got a drop in center, you need to be able to do better than have volunteers be entirely

1074
01:34:46,220 --> 01:34:51,480
in charge of how things are going to run, what the expected behaviors are, what are the

1075
01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:55,980
the consequences of not behaving in those ways.

1076
01:34:56,820 --> 01:35:00,300
For me, that means you need to have some staffing in place

1077
01:35:01,380 --> 01:35:05,040
to help the residents manage the relationships

1078
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,480
with each other, manage the relationships

1079
01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:09,820
with the staff, manage the relationships

1080
01:35:09,820 --> 01:35:11,800
with the people who walk by on the street.

1081
01:35:15,220 --> 01:35:19,080
To me, the other piece of that staffing

1082
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:26,580
in a drop-in center would be like Councillor Holmes said, nursing staff maybe, but it would

1083
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:35,060
also be people who are trained in assisting people with the obstacles that they have

1084
01:35:35,060 --> 01:35:46,460
in being qualifying for income assistance or EI or Canada pension or whatever. Those people

1085
01:35:46,460 --> 01:35:50,760
will need to be paid well enough that they stay, they need to be paid well enough.

1086
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,880
And I know this isn't a question necessarily until we get to the end.

1087
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,660
And then I'll say, isn't that so and it will have been made a question.

1088
01:36:00,460 --> 01:36:07,640
So I just want to be able to put this out there that when you want to have something, we've

1089
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:12,240
seen the experience of using just straight wronged ears and sometimes that doesn't work out

1090
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:12,720
that well.

1091
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,560
Now, this is a city run initiative.

1092
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:21,000
We need to have ways of governing it in relationships.

1093
01:36:21,700 --> 01:36:27,920
We want to be able to offer more than just a pool table, and we want to be able to offer

1094
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:33,140
access to services that are going to people may want to use, I'm not saying they have to,

1095
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:38,820
but may want to use to step themselves into a different situation where they're on income

1096
01:36:38,820 --> 01:36:43,840
assistance, where they have an income, where they have access to health benefits, those

1097
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,080
kinds of things. So that's why I think this is a good idea.

1098
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,860
So here we go. Isn't that

1099
01:36:50,860 --> 01:36:55,500
so? Thank you for your question, Councillor Brennan.

1100
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:03,820
I guess my concern, I've discussed with people today as well. Our concern is the fact that

1101
01:37:03,820 --> 01:37:10,200
This is, and you're about to vote to get Mayor McCay to send a letter to Leonard Krog

1102
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,840
asking for something that the province is just not going to do.

1103
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:22,360
And if a layman can figure that out, then I'm sure everyone here has at least thought about that.

1104
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,980
And, you know, I'm just going to say it, you know, with an election this year.

1105
01:37:26,980 --> 01:37:36,400
I mean, we're concerned about people playing politics against other people to set up situations where other people look bad.

1106
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:47,820
And if you all want to do that, in a political campaign season, fine, fair enough, welcome to politics, but it's not really cool to do that on the backs of a bunch of homeless people,

1107
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,700
especially when we're in the middle of a homeless crisis.

1108
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:53,700
And I'm not saying, I'm not pointing any fingers, nothing like that.

1109
01:37:53,820 --> 01:37:57,900
I'm just saying, this is how it's appearing to a lot of people and perception is reality.

1110
01:38:00,650 --> 01:38:01,490
I hear what you're saying.

1111
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:03,270
No, you get to say it's not so.

1112
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:04,450
Is that so?

1113
01:38:06,570 --> 01:38:09,610
I think there's an element of truth to what you're saying.

1114
01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:11,730
Thank you. Councilor Fuller.

1115
01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:17,610
Could you give me a list of those outreach workers that are willing to volunteer?

1116
01:38:18,430 --> 01:38:41,730
the average salary of outreach workers is over $20 per hour, so if you know some outreach workers that are willing to commit to 35, 40 hours a week at $0.00 an hour, provided their professionals, not just straight volunteers, we've seen how well that's worked at the ghetto you supported.

1117
01:38:42,750 --> 01:38:50,090
So, if you have the name of some qualified outreach workers who would be willing to offer up free time,

1118
01:38:50,270 --> 01:38:55,690
I'm sure if we do get the funding because you are right, we may not, but we may as well,

1119
01:38:55,810 --> 01:39:03,010
because the province also recognizes a homeless crisis and they're contributing mass amounts of monies

1120
01:39:03,010 --> 01:39:10,130
to it. In my opinion, not enough. It could be masses more. But I'm sure if this happens,

1121
01:39:11,050 --> 01:39:16,710
having extra volunteers to supplement the paid workers might actually cut down on cost.

1122
01:39:17,190 --> 01:39:20,630
So if you could send me a list of those volunteers, I'd appreciate it.

1123
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:22,170
Not a problem, Councillor Fuller.

1124
01:39:22,330 --> 01:39:22,770
Not absolutely.

1125
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:27,670
I also know a bunch of outreach workers who would probably love to work at the landing pad

1126
01:39:27,670 --> 01:39:29,950
for a $100,000 salary year as well.

1127
01:39:30,270 --> 01:39:31,430
So I mean we can exchange notes.

1128
01:39:33,310 --> 01:39:34,370
Thank you, Councillor Kip.

1129
01:39:35,670 --> 01:39:36,010
Thank you.

1130
01:39:36,330 --> 01:39:40,110
I guess the biggest thing for me is the homeless people blame in me for their work.

1131
01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:45,550
problem as a city counsellor. That really does bother me because when the circus came to town,

1132
01:39:45,550 --> 01:39:50,310
it wasn't my circus, but now they're my monkeys, right? And so I have to try and take care of them.

1133
01:39:50,990 --> 01:39:58,170
And so the concept of a living room came out in 1995, 1996. We first put one out there and

1134
01:39:59,990 --> 01:40:04,330
former social people worked on it, but it failed. It fell apart because people didn't want to go

1135
01:40:04,330 --> 01:40:08,650
there. It wasn't the whole concept of it is to make a comfortable place for people to go

1136
01:40:08,650 --> 01:40:10,450
when they spend the whole night wandering

1137
01:40:10,450 --> 01:40:13,050
around the community, scared at night,

1138
01:40:13,250 --> 01:40:14,870
they can go to a place during the day

1139
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:16,910
and feel comfortable and get through support service.

1140
01:40:17,610 --> 01:40:20,250
I too look at the wages and the benefits for this

1141
01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:23,050
and think that's crazy because we don't pay people

1142
01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:25,610
that much money, we probably should.

1143
01:40:26,530 --> 01:40:28,790
But for me, what is our options

1144
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:29,950
as a municipal government?

1145
01:40:30,610 --> 01:40:35,070
What can we do, we get lobby on all sides of this issue

1146
01:40:35,950 --> 01:40:38,030
to build homes, to not build homes,

1147
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:40,850
to push these people out to not push them out,

1148
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:42,750
to give them water, to not give them water.

1149
01:40:43,330 --> 01:40:44,450
That's a real tough position.

1150
01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:46,930
And as a municipal council, all we can really do

1151
01:40:46,930 --> 01:40:48,530
is lobby those responsible.

1152
01:40:48,690 --> 01:40:49,450
That's the province.

1153
01:40:50,370 --> 01:40:52,390
That's the representatives that have represented us

1154
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:52,950
for a few years.

1155
01:40:53,150 --> 01:40:54,950
So that's, I think, the concept here

1156
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:56,670
is to help pay for some of this stuff.

1157
01:40:57,170 --> 01:41:00,150
Right now, the tent city is costing money

1158
01:41:00,670 --> 01:41:04,190
that does not and will not go to helping homeless.

1159
01:41:05,010 --> 01:41:06,530
It's costing money like crazy.

1160
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:13,550
and they've shown up. I mean, you must know how many people aren't there. Are they're all Canadians?

1161
01:41:14,290 --> 01:41:21,430
Yeah, they're all BC people, maybe yeah. They're all from the NIMO, maybe. But who's responsible to pay for that?

1162
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:28,090
My tax dollars to pay for that? I'm already sending tax dollars to the province and the feds. They're supposed to pay.

1163
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:34,530
And so we have to put pressure on them to pay up. And that's, I guess, the toughest thing for me is to get

1164
01:41:34,530 --> 01:41:38,150
being blamed that we are the problem for this homeless situation.

1165
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:43,490
When we tried for years, how many housing have we built wet houses in the last year?

1166
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:46,790
How many times we stood in front of people screaming at us that we're going to kill

1167
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:47,310
their children?

1168
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:48,770
We heard tonight the fear.

1169
01:41:49,790 --> 01:41:50,730
So how do we deal with that?

1170
01:41:51,650 --> 01:41:57,310
It's easy sometimes to throw up your hands and go, that's not my circus, but we're trying

1171
01:41:57,310 --> 01:41:57,550
to help.

1172
01:41:57,890 --> 01:42:01,970
And this is an idea to try and open it up and I do believe the price has gone way beyond

1173
01:42:01,970 --> 01:42:04,430
on what it can actually value, what it will serve.

1174
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:08,230
So my question is, it's not, it's a statement.

1175
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:08,910
Thank you.

1176
01:42:10,330 --> 01:42:12,070
Absolutely, that's where I'm trying to say too,

1177
01:42:12,170 --> 01:42:15,210
it's the cost that, getting to that $650,000,

1178
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:16,550
it's all tax money too.

1179
01:42:16,690 --> 01:42:19,070
I mean, as a tax, or as a, I'm not a municipal taxpayer,

1180
01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:21,350
I don't own property, but as a, you know,

1181
01:42:21,550 --> 01:42:23,850
as a citizen, we all pay taxes,

1182
01:42:24,050 --> 01:42:25,610
so there's provincial, federal, municipal,

1183
01:42:25,930 --> 01:42:28,830
and I do understand the fact that municipal government,

1184
01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:30,110
you're limited in what you can do.

1185
01:42:30,110 --> 01:42:33,710
And, you know, quite frankly, with the City Council over the last couple of years, you guys

1186
01:42:33,710 --> 01:42:35,490
kind of get blamed for everything.

1187
01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:42,230
But at the same time, I look at it as a community issue, and to me personally, I know people

1188
01:42:42,230 --> 01:42:43,650
who are homeless who have drug addictions.

1189
01:42:43,790 --> 01:42:47,570
I know people who are homeless who are just scripts and other life in order yet.

1190
01:42:47,950 --> 01:42:50,070
I also know homeless people who just can't pay the rent.

1191
01:42:50,170 --> 01:42:51,890
They got renovated and they're really good people.

1192
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:55,170
They have jobs, not just at tent city, but all over the city.

1193
01:42:55,330 --> 01:42:59,730
And I really believe that I said a certain point, there's a human or moral obligation that

1194
01:42:59,730 --> 01:43:02,610
that rises above whose job is what, where, whatever.

1195
01:43:03,230 --> 01:43:04,730
We just need to come together as a community

1196
01:43:04,730 --> 01:43:06,130
because we're gonna let people in Ottawa

1197
01:43:06,130 --> 01:43:08,190
don't really care about what happens in Vancouver Island

1198
01:43:08,190 --> 01:43:09,770
and quite frankly, the people in Victoria

1199
01:43:09,770 --> 01:43:11,810
don't really care about what happens in the NIMO.

1200
01:43:12,450 --> 01:43:14,790
So we do start looking at community solutions

1201
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:16,210
and while I understand the landing pad,

1202
01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:18,430
that sounds like a community solution to me

1203
01:43:18,430 --> 01:43:23,490
until we hear $650,000, $40,000 going to staffing.

1204
01:43:25,210 --> 01:43:25,810
Thank you.

1205
01:43:26,210 --> 01:43:26,450
Thank you.

1206
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:28,370
I just wanted to say before we let you go,

1207
01:43:28,370 --> 01:43:34,050
I'm sure at all that we asked our staff to do something.

1208
01:43:34,750 --> 01:43:35,970
They came back with a report.

1209
01:43:36,690 --> 01:43:37,530
They gave us the numbers.

1210
01:43:39,410 --> 01:43:45,670
They're asking us to now take it to the next step to get into request participation by the provincial government,

1211
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:47,390
which we said from the onset.

1212
01:43:47,550 --> 01:43:48,390
That's what we were going to do.

1213
01:43:49,130 --> 01:43:54,770
Here's the difference, it's a different price tag than what it was before and they may totally reject us as you'd suggest,

1214
01:43:54,770 --> 01:44:00,670
but they might come up with something different and we'll talk about it with the provincial government.

1215
01:44:01,270 --> 01:44:06,110
So, we're responding here to a report that was given to us by our staff after we asked them for it.

1216
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:08,030
That's all we're dealing with here.

1217
01:44:09,570 --> 01:44:10,390
Okay, thank you.

1218
01:44:10,730 --> 01:44:11,190
Okay, thanks.

1219
01:44:11,210 --> 01:44:11,770
No further questions.

1220
01:44:13,530 --> 01:44:15,790
So, is someone prepared to move the recommendation?

1221
01:44:17,210 --> 01:44:20,130
Moved by Councillor Hong, seconded by Councillor Brown.

1222
01:44:20,130 --> 01:44:25,710
Are there any further discussion? Seeing none, call the questions.

1223
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:30,190
A favor, a posed, shall councilor Besswick and Kippa posed, motion carries.

1224
01:44:31,390 --> 01:44:37,030
Next one is Canada's task force update to be introduced by Councillor Kapp.

1225
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:41,630
Thank you very much. I'm going to read a book together. Staff put something together for me to read.

1226
01:44:41,930 --> 01:44:45,950
I appreciate it very much. Council on the public is aware that the ad hoc

1227
01:44:45,950 --> 01:44:50,950
Canada's task force was established in order to consider the impacts of the pending

1228
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:54,170
legalization of cannabis and to make recommendation to counsel.

1229
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:58,170
As a chair of the task force, I'm pleased to announce that we have the task force has

1230
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,500
As per the approved terms of reference and the seeding council has received the series of recommendations from the task force for consideration. The legalization of cannabis is a challenging topic for local governments and one that is guaranteed to evolve as federal and provincial governments continue to adjust into this brand new growing and thriving industry. The recommendations we're presenting to council from the task force this evening are based on the known regulatory schemes that are

1231
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:36,140
established to date, both provincial and federal, and as these evolve, so will the local government's response.

1232
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:45,520
As such, you'll see that the run of the recommendations is the task force is to review the associated bylaws and amendments on a one year anniversary of the implementation.

1233
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:52,080
I want to think a moment to thank the task force members for their time and thoughtful considerations of this very interesting topic.

1234
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,720
We had representatives from a number of city communities from the city,

1235
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:00,540
Bowdoin Loeb, representing planning and development committee.

1236
01:46:01,140 --> 01:46:03,820
Dennis Montmon, representing the community, vitality committee.

1237
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:06,700
Rob Witten, representing the public safety committee.

1238
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,800
Robert Laurie, representing the cannabis industry.

1239
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,240
Philip Lucas, representing the cannabis industry.

1240
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,140
Dr. Paul Hasselback from Ireland Health, and

1241
01:46:15,140 --> 01:46:17,160
Corporal Mann Nguyen from the RCMP.

1242
01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:21,720
There's also individuals attended, and I think we had over 18 delegations in

1243
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:26,960
presentation received by the task force and I just like to say that I think when we started

1244
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,160
off the background or we covered all federal and provincial regulations zoning and business

1245
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:36,340
bookman licensing and looked at liquor and control substances. Another meeting we reviewed

1246
01:46:36,340 --> 01:46:42,120
all of the options for retail, for siding, for licensing production, and corporate production

1247
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:48,760
and sort of residential production, both the smoking bylaws and of course the personal consumption.

1248
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:54,840
And then after that staff reported on the stakeholder input, the recommendations came forward.

1249
01:46:55,400 --> 01:47:00,260
Currently in Iowa has what I would consider a viable retail business, about 30 or more

1250
01:47:00,260 --> 01:47:01,840
stores are in process.

1251
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,780
But what we had to figure out is where and when and who was involved in this for operations

1252
01:47:07,780 --> 01:47:12,800
and production and where and how the big retail productions would happen.

1253
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:21,200
And I guess this has a new connotation for Airbnb because there's people are looking for local and small productions.

1254
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:27,080
And of course, we looked at the safety aspects for children and the criminal aspects involved in it.

1255
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:32,760
And I would like to say that we may be missed having the school district involved because they have sent for

1256
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,180
the letter that we received today, and they're looking at having some distances.

1257
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:41,820
One of the things that I will say that came out of the committee was sometimes the distance has seemed very arbitrary.

1258
01:47:41,820 --> 01:47:43,280
that we make up a distance.

1259
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:45,720
And what is the proven value of that distance?

1260
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:49,020
And how does it make, like if it's 300 meters from a school,

1261
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,080
does that stop the kids?

1262
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:51,080
Is that enough?

1263
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:53,680
I don't think so, so that's kind of arbitrary things.

1264
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,800
But I'd like to pass it on to Mr. Lindsey right now,

1265
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,840
at this point, and he can introduce more

1266
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:00,540
of the associated recommendations.

1267
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,000
But as a task force, we completed it,

1268
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,360
April, May and June, we did our job, we did it fast.

1269
01:48:05,940 --> 01:48:07,900
And I appreciate the work that people did.

1270
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,380
And there were some very interesting debates at the table.

1271
01:48:10,380 --> 01:48:13,780
and very interesting delegations too. So thank you very much.

1272
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:16,220
We do have a delegation.

1273
01:48:18,230 --> 01:48:21,270
Are you going to get into the recommendations, Mr. Nansi?

1274
01:48:21,710 --> 01:48:25,630
Your words should be certainly up to counsel, but I can and prepare to run through the recommendations.

1275
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:29,190
I can use that before or after your delegation. How about we hear that delegation?

1276
01:48:29,770 --> 01:48:33,670
Okay, it's normal practice. Mr. delegation, Mr. Matthew O'Donnell.

1277
01:48:34,270 --> 01:48:34,670
The

1278
01:48:37,930 --> 01:48:38,470
going distances.

1279
01:48:47,310 --> 01:48:52,250
Hi there, Matthew O'Donnell. I won't waste too much of your time. I feel like I'm

1280
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:58,610
spoken enough today. I'm just here actually to speak in support of the

1281
01:48:58,610 --> 01:49:04,890
majority of the recommendations with the exception of one. I've been on nipping

1282
01:49:04,890 --> 01:49:09,950
at this council's heels for basically three years now to have some sort of

1283
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:15,510
regulations and regulate cannabis mainly because I look at it as a billion

1284
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:19,150
dollar industry that's existed in British Columbia for decades now whether we

1285
01:49:19,150 --> 01:49:23,310
want to admit it or not, and it's just about to be plugged into the legal economy.

1286
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:27,470
So why shouldn't we take advantage of it as a municipality and as a city?

1287
01:49:27,650 --> 01:49:30,190
I mean, it's here anyway, and why not?

1288
01:49:30,410 --> 01:49:34,890
So that's the reason why I've always been basically yapping about cannabis.

1289
01:49:35,710 --> 01:49:39,590
My only gripe, I guess, with the current regulations.

1290
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:43,770
There's 300 meters between the actual retail shops and the sales.

1291
01:49:45,210 --> 01:49:46,930
I feel like it's over-regulation.

1292
01:49:48,230 --> 01:49:53,490
I know that the argument in the staff report is that, you know, we have to factor in density and, you know,

1293
01:49:53,970 --> 01:49:55,010
blah, blah, blah, blah.

1294
01:49:55,050 --> 01:50:00,590
But the fact of the matter is, NINIMO is in a unique position from the rest of the country where the rest of the

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country can talk about hypotheticals and what would happen if a bunch of dispensaries moved into one area or

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whatever. Here in NINIMO, we've had close to 30 operating for about three years now.

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The sky hasn't fallen.

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Everything's fine.

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And as a matter of fact, I can think of one former problematic bar in downtown

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and IMO, which turned into a complete dispensary, cancelled their liquor license,

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and all of the complaints across the street that the Pacifica high-rise condo is completely disappeared.

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You can go ask the by-law department yourself, or as I'm in a complaint in years.

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Because the fact of the matter is, donors like to go to bed early, and they don't like noise, et cetera, et cetera.

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The point being here is that the 300 meters between retail shops,

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It does nothing to mitigate the risk of children, it won't increase it, it won't decrease it.

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01:50:45,090 --> 01:50:49,010
The fact of the matter is, unfortunately, I smoke cigarettes, and I also use cannabis.

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I can go to any corner store, gas station, grocery store, drug store, or wherever, and

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I can buy a pack of smokes.

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I think cigarettes are a little bit more dangerous than cannabis.

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01:51:00,210 --> 01:51:04,690
Just overall, I believe 300 meters between the shops, it's just over regulation.

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Not only that provincial law is going to state, as you're all aware of, that if someone wants a retail cannabis license,

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number one, they have to go through a public forum, meaning they have to, just like if you're going to open up a liquor store.

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And number two, this council has to approve it. Every single one, the province is not going to approve any license unless

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as support from the municipal government. With that said, public hearing, and you guys have the final say,

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Why eliminate the possibility of allowing businesses to thrive by automatically putting in that 300 meters between shops rule?

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Because all you're doing is over-regulating for the sake of regulation, there's no benefit there.

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So I respectfully ask that you consider dropping the 300 meters between the dispensaries.

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If the school board's suggesting doing 300 meters from a daycare in a park or a school to a dispensary, I mean fair enough.

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I also personally don't really believe that it's not going to increase or decrease the risk of the community, but if you have to do it, you have to do it, I understand it.

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01:52:05,070 --> 01:52:10,510
But I mean, if you're going to put 300 meters between shops, it's going to result also in job loss right off the bat.

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01:52:11,010 --> 01:52:15,570
Sure, some of these dispensaries are probably not going to get licensed, some are going to close down.

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There's going to be job loss already in any way.

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So as a local government, what you can do is do what you kind of mitigate the loss of jobs just because you don't really have to put in this regulation.

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Another point, too, is just the fact that commercial vacancies, I don't really see a line up of here in the South Minimo, a line up of new businesses that are just eager to fill all those vacant commercial spots that those dispensaries are going to result in having here in a couple of months.

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So, once again, let's encourage small business growth, even if it is a taboo subject like

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cannabis.

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And, yeah, it's given the fighting chance.

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01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:54,910
I know.

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Thank you.

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01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:57,490
Councillor, I'm strong.

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01:52:57,870 --> 01:52:58,090
Oh, no.

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I might spur staff up.

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01:53:00,230 --> 01:53:00,330
Okay.

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Councillor Besswick.

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Thank you.

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01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:05,810
Mr. Donald, you mentioned 30 dispensaries operating in denial.

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Some within 300 metres of each other.

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And are they all operating legally?

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01:53:13,790 --> 01:53:17,670
Actually, they're all currently operating illegally if we're going by the word of law.

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01:53:18,210 --> 01:53:20,730
Right, and do they have business licenses?

1341
01:53:21,530 --> 01:53:24,410
No, they don't, but that's not to say they haven't tried for the last three years.

1342
01:53:25,390 --> 01:53:26,730
But they don't have business licenses.

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01:53:27,870 --> 01:53:29,690
The city won't accept their money, that's correct.

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Thank you.

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01:53:32,250 --> 01:53:32,790
Thank you.

1346
01:53:33,210 --> 01:53:33,810
No further questions.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Armstrong.

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No, I'm waiting for staff after.

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I'll wait until he does his report, and then I'll ask my question.

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01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:41,210
Okay, great, thank you.

1352
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Okay, sorry.

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01:53:42,610 --> 01:53:46,070
Damn, pardon me, Councilor Brown, I don't know if you're okay.

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01:53:47,050 --> 01:53:47,690
Mr. Lindsay.

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Thank you, Worship.

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I just have a few slides to walk through the recommendations.

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Before we start, I'm not going to go into a lot of the regulatory context here, but

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in general, I think everybody knows we're moving quickly towards the legalization of cannabis in the country.

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We're now scheduled for October for cannabis to become legal, the way the systems being set up right now in real general terms is that the federal government is going to license and approve production.

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They put in rules in place about production. They put in rules in place about personal cultivation.

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They've largely left decisions around distribution to each province.

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So each province has done it a little bit different.

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Here in BC they're following a model, which I would describe most similar, are almost identical to how we deal with liquor distribution.

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And then it'll be done through the province through the liquor distribution board.

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In terms of the retail model in the province is what we're being told is there'll be a combination of both public and private stores.

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Again, exactly like we see on the liquor store front.

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So the task force looked at a number of topics as Councillor Kipp recommended, but certainly

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part of the main part of the discussion was around how do we address this issue of retail

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stores in the community. The province has really left it to each local government to determine

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how they want to proceed. And when we talked to the task force there's really three main options

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and we said we can identify cannabis retail as an as-of-right use in our zoning viala, which

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which means it would be a use permitted in multiple zones.

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We looked at the second option of creating site-specific zoning, so you create a specific

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use for cannabis retail and you require rezoning for each of those, or the third option is

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not to allow any retail at all within the community.

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And the task force is recommended that second option, so the first three recommendations before

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you this evening are really around that recommendation and it's that we make sure it's clear in our

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01:55:50,690 --> 01:55:56,090
zoning bylaw, the cannabis retail stores are separate and different than our general retail designation.

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And that we require site-specific rezoning for each and every cannabis retail store.

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So again exactly like liquor stores, the applications that we made to the provinces, referrals will come

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to Nanaimo. And if council approves with this approach, those applicants would need to submit

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01:56:14,930 --> 01:56:21,730
rezoning applications to ultimately be vetted by Council and approved by Council.

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01:56:22,970 --> 01:56:31,870
To assist with the rezoning, there is a recommendation to proceed with criteria which will assist

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in those review of those files.

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Now it's important to note that these are guidelines.

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They're not adopted by by law, so anything we talk about in terms of a setback or a distance

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in separation is just that.

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A guideline that we would have got

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the right applications against

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and bring them forward to Council.

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So like with any other guideline,

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Council has the ability to consider them

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as part of an application,

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but they do not become black and white laws, so to speak.

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So the guidelines that were included,

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and I'll go into a little bit more detail,

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include a separation between cannabis stores

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of 300 meters.

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The draft guidelines we put in front of the committee

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And he also had a recommendation of 150 meter separation from retail stores, from schools and daycares,

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which is again similar to your rezoning criteria you have for liquor stores.

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So we were, because the province is dealing with it, generally the same as liquor stores,

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the approach from staff was to maintain that philosophy and treat them similar to liquor stores.

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You'll note in here part of the recommendation by the task force was that we reach out specifically to the school board

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and receive their input on the separations from schools.

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The school board, and I think it's attached to your agenda this evening, is a correspondence you receive from the school board.

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And they're actually recommending it not proceed with the 150, which is in the current draft, but

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that we look at increasing that to 300 meters from schools and daycare.

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So I'll talk about that a little bit more in the upcoming slide.

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The final recommendation around retail stores is that we not look at creating a specific business license fee for

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retail stores right now, liquor stores in the community apply under our general business

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license fees, which are $165.

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We do have varying fees in our business license by-law for night clubs and cabbages and lounges,

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which are higher.

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So there's been a long-standing understanding that we're going to review those as part

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01:58:25,490 --> 01:58:30,150
of a liquor control strategy, so the recommendation of the task force was not to introduce new rates

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It's now but it be reviewed as part of a review of those liquor license fees in the future.

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So just talking a little bit about the guidelines, I know this is impossible to read on the screen.

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But those, the polygons you see here are setbacks of 150 meters around existing schools and

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existing licensed daycares in the community, the colored areas, the brown and the yellow and red.

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Those are the areas in town where we generally see commercial uses.

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So we're just giving a sense at this time when we put this together to the committee of what are the impacts of 150 meter setbacks on our existing commercial areas.

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The next slide is we took the recommendation from the school board and increased those buffers to 300 meters so this entire city obviously on the left on the right is a little close up of downtown just to give you some context.

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So the green is setbacks around school board property and the purple is setbacks around licensed daycare.

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01:59:29,180 --> 01:59:33,440
So again, these are recommendations and you've got your first round of input from the school board.

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I think as we go through this process and the public hearing, you'll continue to get input on what the appropriate setbacks are.

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We're not here this evening to get final determination from council.

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I think that'll come as we bring forward the bias, but I wanted to give you a sense of what those policy recommendations would look like.

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01:59:50,900 --> 01:59:59,640
The setback between stores is interesting and this is where we differ a little bit between what the pros

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Approach to cannabis retail. Under the province's own rules for separations around liquor store, they have a 1-kilometer separation. So that's the policy which is governed the most recent round of liquor stores that have been added to the community. So most of those stores exist within 1-kilometer or a minimum of 1-kilometer from each other. The province was very clear when they brought forward cannabis retail that they were not going to implement the 1-kilometer setback at a provincial level, and instead they were going to leave it to local governments to decide what the appropriate

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separation between stores where so I include this graphic and we do this for the committee just to give you a sense when you look at something like the

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downtown what a one kilometer buffer we do in terms of separation versus a 300 meter buffer which is ultimately what what the committee was

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recommending and again in the guidelines I think it's important to point out it talks about a recommendation of 300 meters but it does say there's areas in

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in town, where you have higher density like your downtown, where you may want to look at a reduced setback below what to 300 meters is.

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Again, we'll be reviewed on a site by site recommendation.

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The next series of recommendations deal with the processing.

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So, of course, under our existing viola right now, we have medical marijuana growing in production.

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This is quickly going to become an antiquated term.

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We no longer need medical, but it'll simply be growing in production.

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So we're recommending that be replaced with cannabis production and processing, and then these will, again, will be federally licensed facilities.

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02:01:28,970 --> 02:01:36,790
Right now, medical marijuana and growing production is a site-specific use in the I-4 zone, given the changes that are being done at a federal level.

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The task force is recommending that council consider outing that as an outright use in the I-4 zone.

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02:01:41,970 --> 02:01:46,630
So generally, if you think of the area at Duke Point, recommendation number six.

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02:01:47,190 --> 02:01:53,470
So, the federal government in addition to allowing the larger-scale cannabis production and processing,

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they're also prepared to license what they're calling microbe or craft processors.

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And I'll talk about a little bit more on the next slide, but they're generally the small-scale processors.

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So, the recommendation from the task force is that we look at allowing small-scale production within our I-1 and I-2 zones

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subject to an older abatement strategy, which is very similar to how we deal with other similar uses.

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A recommendation number seven was that we not look at adding cannabis production within our air cultural zone at this time,

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or our AR-1, AR-2, the city has limited amounts of agricultural land and the vast majority of those are within close proximity to residential or there on lands which are designated for other uses.

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So the recommendation was to not include them on air cultural zone properties now.

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02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:52,310
I would note that the ALR is still struggling with this issue of how well they address them on ALR lands, but

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the city has a very, a very small amount of ALR lands within our boundaries.

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I include this graphic because it's possibly the most Canadian thing I've ever seen.

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02:03:03,170 --> 02:03:08,750
But the federal government, when they came out with this discussion about what micro cannabis is,

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Yes, they said it's 200 square meters or half of a neutral zone of an NHL hockey rink

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and they actually included this in their literature at the federal level.

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So I thought I had to find a way to include that in a presentation.

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But 200 square meters is that micro-processing that the federal government will license

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in again is that recommendation to include that in our light industrial zones.

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Next series of recommendations around public consumption and recommendation number nine is

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that we update our smoking by law to clarify that it includes cannabis.

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So there's a draft smoking by law that's attached to the report this evening, but we will

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be bringing it forward.

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I have counsel proceeds with these recommendations and for consideration of by law adoption.

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Recommendations number 10 and 11, last

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slide, sorry, 10 and 11, so 10, the task force had

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a recommendation that this package of recommendations be sent to the school board for the review and

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input. Since that time, I've sat down with school board, reviewed the report with them in the

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letter that you have before you this evening is actually their response. So it includes two things,

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a recommendation to increase the setback to 300 meters from schools and daycares but also that

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the school board be included on referrals with individual applications so that they can provide

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input as those applications are vetted by council. And then as councilor Kip mentioned,

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recommendation number 11 was that councilor direct staff to complete a review upon the anniversary of

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these files. As we would do with almost any time we bring forward comprehensive new regulations,

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We'd recommend obviously that those be evaluated and reviewed in this case when you're following the adoption.

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And your worship, that's summary of the recommendations.

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Thank you.

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Is someone prepared to move the recommendations?

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Thank you.

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Moved by Councillor Kip, seconded by Councillor Rimmam.

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Councillor Hall.

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Thank you.

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Through you to staff, with regards to renaming a cannabis production and processing.

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What about all this stuff that we hear about extracting oils and cooking and, you know, as that comes, where does that fit in?

1486
02:05:36,060 --> 02:05:37,320
Is that going to fit somewhere?

1487
02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:47,520
Yeah, in your, in your worship, I think this is what Councillor Kip was referring to when he's saying that the rules are going to evolve.

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02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:56,830
So right now, the federal government's been very clear that this is about dried cannabis and seed, so

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the retail store will be dried cannabis and seeds, but the store has certainly been left open for

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oils and edibles in the future.

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So I think those issues around other forms are going to change issues around public or consumption.

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Lounge, for example, those things are going to evolve and change, but

1493
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And these recommendations are a response solely to what we know as the regulatory landscape as it's proposed to exist come October, but you're right, it's absolutely going to evolve.

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So, then a follow-up with me, if somebody decides to come and say, well, I want to have an extraction facility to extract oils from cannabis, would that be a one-off for us to come before council to put them in a zoning, I guess.

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Yes, Your Worship, I think the way it's drafted right now, it just says cannabis production and processing.

1496
02:06:48,910 --> 02:06:50,870
So I don't think you would need any further amendment.

1497
02:06:51,290 --> 02:06:58,470
As long as you had federal approval to do that, you could do that under our, the draft zoning is being recommended by the task force.

1498
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:59,830
Which is only I-4.

1499
02:07:00,430 --> 02:07:02,870
For the large scale facility, that's correct, yes.

1500
02:07:03,090 --> 02:07:03,390
Thank you.

1501
02:07:03,810 --> 02:07:04,310
Thank you.

1502
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:05,650
Councillor Armstrong.

1503
02:07:06,350 --> 02:07:11,730
First of all, I want to thank Councillor Kip for all the work that he did, Mr. Witten gave us an update and said they were

1504
02:07:11,730 --> 02:07:16,190
really excellent sessions and really well done. So thank you very much for all the work that you guys did.

1505
02:07:17,290 --> 02:07:22,350
I struggle to with the 300 meters, I don't see why we even need a distance.

1506
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:28,010
You talk to kids and whatever and they say actually the closer to the school, the harder it is to get because there's more eyes looking at them.

1507
02:07:28,810 --> 02:07:36,630
So, you know, so I just find it, you know, it's interesting when we spoke or attended at the LGA, LGLA sessions with the lawyers who

1508
02:07:36,630 --> 02:07:43,350
You recommended not having distances because it can change so much that one minute woodland school would be an example.

1509
02:07:43,450 --> 02:07:45,170
Now we build it, then they decide to reopen the school.

1510
02:07:45,290 --> 02:07:48,490
What do you do with the built or the people that are already there?

1511
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:52,130
Because if you allow the school to reopen, you're breaking your own zoning, so they're one off, so whatever.

1512
02:07:52,370 --> 02:07:53,170
But that's an issue.

1513
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:57,970
And then my other question is that I don't know if it would go here, but what about those?

1514
02:07:58,270 --> 02:08:03,510
Is there any place where you have to declare that you've been growing plants for future?

1515
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:07,330
because mold will be an issue no matter what, whether you're growing 10 or you're growing 40 plants.

1516
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:11,970
You could have mold and water damage and there should be something I believe in our,

1517
02:08:12,450 --> 02:08:19,170
our bylaws or whether it has to be in the real estate to disclose that marijuana has been grown.

1518
02:08:19,550 --> 02:08:20,010
Thank you.

1519
02:08:23,570 --> 02:08:34,890
You wish to thank you and that question actually ties into something which I was going to note which is apparently I missed a slide here with recommendation number eight, which is in your report, which deals with this issue of personal cultivation.

1520
02:08:36,170 --> 02:08:45,370
We've had a history of having problems with homes that are used for large scale production and mold is just one of the problems that we end up with.

1521
02:08:45,870 --> 02:08:54,350
At this point, it looks like under the licensing, people can obtain licensing to grow for their own under the federal existing federal program.

1522
02:08:54,610 --> 02:08:57,350
It looks like that will continue for some period of time.

1523
02:08:58,090 --> 02:09:27,210
In addition to that, which brings around, brings those challenges around, you know, homes and mold and et cetera, in addition to that, the federal changes around cannabis legalization are very clear that they include provisions for individuals to grow for own personal cultivation, and the limit is four plants per what they call dwelling house, four plants per dwelling house, and that's around, so regardless of how many adults you have in the house, you know,

1524
02:09:27,210 --> 02:09:43,250
four plants inside or outside the house, and then they left it to the province to further regulate that, and the province is saying, yes, you can have four plants outside the house, but they can't be visible from any public area, so like a public street, for example, you wouldn't be able to see someone's plants growing.

1525
02:09:43,650 --> 02:09:56,890
So the committee looked at the federal regulations, the provincial regulations, and decided based on where they're going not to add any further local government or municipal regulations around that four-plant personal cultivation.

1526
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:16,820
I want to thank Councillor Kip as well, we'll go back to the council on 2011, I can remember

1527
02:10:17,370 --> 02:10:25,760
Councillor Kip telling us that we were going to have to start looking at this whole issue

1528
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:34,380
of cannabis and zoning, and where it could be sold and among lots of other things, and

1529
02:10:34,380 --> 02:10:38,580
he felt that we should get started on that.

1530
02:10:39,560 --> 02:10:45,120
And so I want to thank him for that, because it was a long time coming, but here we are

1531
02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:46,640
with this report today.

1532
02:10:47,020 --> 02:10:53,520
It's a good report, I want to thank Mr. Lindsey and the staff and that whole committee.

1533
02:10:53,520 --> 02:11:01,220
I have a couple of questions. First one, not agricultural rural residential zone.

1534
02:11:02,460 --> 02:11:06,760
Is that different than the agricultural land reserve?

1535
02:11:09,460 --> 02:11:15,960
Yes, your worship. The city has a, I think of agricultural zones,

1536
02:11:16,340 --> 02:11:20,060
much the area around Linley Valley, for example, or north of Linley would be agricultural.

1537
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:26,000
control, much of the area in Jinglepot would be agricultural, some of the lands in the

1538
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:32,460
Jinglepot on the far reaches of the community would be in the ALR, but the vast majority

1539
02:11:32,460 --> 02:11:33,140
would not be.

1540
02:11:33,340 --> 02:11:37,300
So, these ones we control, that is correct.

1541
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:38,540
That is correct.

1542
02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:39,100
Thank you.

1543
02:11:40,200 --> 02:11:49,780
The other thing that I thought was interesting is what Councillor Armstrong said about the

1544
02:11:49,780 --> 02:12:02,920
a local government academy suggesting that we not have zones, I guess, or circles or areas where you couldn't be.

1545
02:12:03,480 --> 02:12:13,740
I have no opinion on that whatsoever, really, except that if we do maintain them, I think we need to address how you measure them.

1546
02:12:13,740 --> 02:12:20,280
Because it certainly come up when we've had liquor stores wanting to open up.

1547
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:27,780
And we've been of the opinion that it doesn't, that with, it isn't outside the circle.

1548
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:30,500
And they're saying what depends on how you measure it.

1549
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:34,760
And so we need to be precise about those things.

1550
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:50,480
And the thing about the numbers of, you know, how far apart each individual store can be.

1551
02:12:50,840 --> 02:13:02,340
I think that that's been problematic in cities where they have gone ahead and embarked upon issuing licenses

1552
02:13:02,340 --> 02:13:07,880
and then ran into the trouble about who gets first pick, right?

1553
02:13:08,140 --> 02:13:14,080
Is it a difference of one day applying on Thursday and someone else coming in,

1554
02:13:14,420 --> 02:13:17,920
applying on Friday and because they got here Thursday, they get the prize.

1555
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:24,240
They found, other cities have found that to be a problem simply because they have been

1556
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:32,160
allowed to be there, not licensed, but none of them have been licensed.

1557
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:36,620
And so how do you choose one over the other in terms of how close the art to one another?

1558
02:13:37,060 --> 02:13:45,260
And I asked a counselor in Victoria if she had any regrets about the work that they did

1559
02:13:45,260 --> 02:13:46,720
and the rules that they put in place.

1560
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:49,680
And she said that really was the only one.

1561
02:13:49,960 --> 02:13:55,920
And in her view at this time, you just have to let the market decide.

1562
02:13:57,320 --> 02:14:11,620
And otherwise, it just becomes really wide open, I would say, to some sort of quid pro quo or, you know, some tampering with the rules or whatever.

1563
02:14:12,060 --> 02:14:18,440
And you want to look at, if you want to be as clean as possible and you don't want to be open to that or even open to the charges of that.

1564
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:24,240
So, those are the only comments I have, except

1565
02:14:26,410 --> 02:14:31,050
to say I don't think that we give permission for schools to open or close, do we?

1566
02:14:31,730 --> 02:14:37,910
So, you know, we wouldn't have to worry about giving woodlands the okay to open and,

1567
02:14:40,570 --> 02:14:44,190
yeah, but they don't have to ask if they can open, they decide to open.

1568
02:14:44,190 --> 02:14:51,670
Anyway, that's just, um, thank you. Councilor Four, I'd curious if you would happen to

1569
02:14:51,670 --> 02:14:57,890
know how many of the 30 dispensaries in the 9-0.

1570
02:15:01,010 --> 02:15:10,810
Closet, pochup, in the NIMO, are within that 300 meter distance of each other. I know of three up on

1571
02:15:11,370 --> 02:15:16,750
Nickel Street, but I'm not sure about any of the others being within that distance. I'm curious if you know

1572
02:15:20,260 --> 02:15:25,880
University of Councilor Phil, I don't know exact numbers, but there are areas of concentration. I agree with you. Nickel Street would be one.

1573
02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:32,140
We tried to build some flexibility in the guidelines for that very thing that there may be some areas of town where you want to consider

1574
02:15:32,140 --> 02:15:36,760
or something less than 300 square meters, but I'm sorry, I don't know.

1575
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:39,660
Well, I'm actually quite fine with the 300 meters.

1576
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:42,760
I don't think it's going to limit small business.

1577
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:47,240
I've done some math, and I think even with the 300 meters,

1578
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:52,240
it would allow for roughly 10,144 dispensaries,

1579
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:55,280
if they all chose to get business license at one time.

1580
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:58,800
So we could be inundated.

1581
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:07,920
If we could become the pot dispensary capital of Canada, if we so chose to work this into

1582
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:14,880
our tourism, I, I, I, glad that we're looking at the smoking byline regulating, that's

1583
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:23,280
a definite one, I know right now. I, I, I smoke for 42 years and I quit smoking cigarettes

1584
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:27,500
that's the day I died, so that's been three and a half years now.

1585
02:16:28,280 --> 02:16:31,240
And I don't even like the smell of cigarettes anymore.

1586
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:33,840
I can't believe how bad they actually smell.

1587
02:16:34,460 --> 02:16:37,480
And when I'm walking down the street, I can smell pot.

1588
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:44,140
And some types of pot smell a heck of a lot worse than others.

1589
02:16:44,700 --> 02:16:47,980
So I don't really want to be breathing that in,

1590
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:51,060
whether it'll have any effect on my lungs

1591
02:16:51,060 --> 02:16:53,220
that the smoking hasn't already or not.

1592
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:57,380
So I really appreciate what Councillor Kip

1593
02:16:57,380 --> 02:16:59,180
the rest of the task force have done.

1594
02:16:59,540 --> 02:17:04,760
And I look forward to voting on these recommendations.

1595
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:07,320
Cute Councillor Kip.

1596
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:08,740
Oh, thank you.

1597
02:17:08,860 --> 02:17:09,820
I just chaired the committee.

1598
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:10,400
That's it.

1599
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:12,060
Chair, I don't know on the committee.

1600
02:17:12,700 --> 02:17:13,980
We're using the work term cannabis

1601
02:17:13,980 --> 02:17:16,960
because marijuana has a bad connotation.

1602
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:18,280
So we decided to change that.

1603
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:22,580
But vaporizing would be in the smoking bylaws too, I don't know if that's clear to people.

1604
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:24,620
The distance, I believe, is arbitrary.

1605
02:17:25,380 --> 02:17:29,440
I attended FCM, and it was the same issues across the country that people are dealing with.

1606
02:17:30,100 --> 02:17:36,840
And it's really a cowboy show out there, and it's going to be an interesting paradigm over time.

1607
02:17:37,260 --> 02:17:40,740
But I appreciate the work that staff did, Mr. Lindsey and the staff did a great job.

1608
02:17:41,240 --> 02:17:43,120
Pulled it together quickly, and the people that participated.

1609
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:49,660
So I would just want to mention those couple of things that it is the smoking bylaws

1610
02:17:49,660 --> 02:17:51,280
an important one for it to look at, too.

1611
02:17:52,680 --> 02:17:53,900
Thank you, Councillor Fester.

1612
02:17:55,020 --> 02:17:55,660
Thank you.

1613
02:17:55,960 --> 02:17:57,820
Just thanks to Jim and his committee.

1614
02:17:58,060 --> 02:18:05,500
Quickly, the BC government's website has the regulations for those people that are out there

1615
02:18:05,500 --> 02:18:12,440
thinking that they can run down to City Hall and make application for a retail dispensing license.

1616
02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:27,080
All applications will go through the province, and then they'll be sent back to us at the city, as long as they check all the boxes off to be able to be sent back to us for consideration by the municipality.

1617
02:18:28,220 --> 02:18:33,420
So step one is to go to the province, step one is not to come to the city.

1618
02:18:34,440 --> 02:18:39,880
And so all the rules and regs are on the BC government's website right now.

1619
02:18:40,020 --> 02:18:45,060
On October 17th, I think, is the day that it all kicks into gear.

1620
02:18:45,340 --> 02:18:53,040
So if there's any other clarifications there, Mr. Lindsay, then perhaps you could let us know.

1621
02:18:55,310 --> 02:18:59,410
Councillor Hull, thank you on the same lines of what Councillor Brestwick was saying.

1622
02:19:00,310 --> 02:19:05,570
and what Councillor Brennan was saying, how do we know so is it first come first served

1623
02:19:05,570 --> 02:19:11,130
because we don't know when the province is going to process or they're going to send

1624
02:19:11,130 --> 02:19:16,750
us a lump at a time or they're going to send us one at a time and then we're sending

1625
02:19:16,750 --> 02:19:21,350
it to school district 68, all applications to be vetted.

1626
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:27,390
So it seems like it's a little bit complicated or how is this going to roll out so the people

1627
02:19:27,390 --> 02:19:29,970
that want to apply what Council of Restwick says,

1628
02:19:30,350 --> 02:19:31,810
went to the province and the province

1629
02:19:32,770 --> 02:19:35,470
kind of gives us a different order when they come back

1630
02:19:35,470 --> 02:19:37,370
and they say, well, we've got 20 downtown,

1631
02:19:37,510 --> 02:19:41,670
so that's it, we're done for downtown and no more,

1632
02:19:42,270 --> 02:19:45,550
but then the 23rd one comes in and they're all for downtown,

1633
02:19:45,650 --> 02:19:47,270
so how are we going to deal with that

1634
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:48,930
when it comes up, is there going to be a process?

1635
02:19:51,410 --> 02:19:53,150
Yeah, I think those are good questions

1636
02:19:53,150 --> 02:19:55,370
and I think a little bit is going to depend on

1637
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:58,710
how we finally see the province rule us out

1638
02:19:58,710 --> 02:20:02,470
So the guidelines suggest that what we'll want from the province is sort of a preliminary

1639
02:20:02,470 --> 02:20:03,350
letter of approval.

1640
02:20:04,010 --> 02:20:07,850
So it's the province and their licensing branch that will ultimately determine who's

1641
02:20:07,850 --> 02:20:12,770
fit the word they use, the term they use is fit and proper, who's fit and proper to hold

1642
02:20:12,770 --> 02:20:18,030
a license to sell this heavily regulated form of cannabis.

1643
02:20:18,610 --> 02:20:23,110
So our intent is that they would redo that fit and proper, give us a letter of approval

1644
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:26,270
in principle, and then council would vet those applications.

1645
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:32,510
You know, with the one kilometer setback for liquor stores, it kind of became somewhat,

1646
02:20:33,110 --> 02:20:37,070
they regulated the number you would get in a store because of their imposed setback.

1647
02:20:37,290 --> 02:20:37,930
You're right.

1648
02:20:38,050 --> 02:20:43,770
Without that setback in place, I'm not exactly sure how they'll vet that, but I think we're

1649
02:20:43,770 --> 02:20:47,170
going to have to take a somewhat of wait and see approach in terms of applications.

1650
02:20:47,630 --> 02:20:51,570
But councilor Besswick's absolutely correct, the initial application ultimately will be to

1651
02:20:51,570 --> 02:20:52,070
the province.

1652
02:20:52,070 --> 02:20:58,130
I don't even know that they're ready to open up and receive applications yet, not the last, they weren't the last time I looked at their website.

1653
02:20:59,710 --> 02:21:15,690
These recommendations, if they're passed tonight, are going to come forward for by-law amendments, so we need to, we still need to go through that process, finalize the by-law adoptions, have counsel finalize the guidelines, and then before we're in place to start taking applications, so we're sometime off before we get to that point.

1654
02:21:17,930 --> 02:21:18,150
Thank you.

1655
02:21:19,370 --> 02:21:23,370
Councillor Caprican. I just want to say that the liquor store spacing

1656
02:21:23,370 --> 02:21:29,130
to me when it first came out was almost an anti-competition issue because they owned the liquor

1657
02:21:29,130 --> 02:21:34,090
stores until that came out and then they didn't want competition close to their own vehicle

1658
02:21:34,090 --> 02:21:40,370
of sales so I believe they put a fairly large distance in. The incident I don't think that

1659
02:21:40,370 --> 02:21:46,130
is I can walk about every two or three hundred yards and then I walk the main highway and get

1660
02:21:46,130 --> 02:21:52,990
to drink beer or glass of wine at every restaurant, every licensed place, every facility.

1661
02:21:53,370 --> 02:22:00,710
So relating to a one kilometer for liquor stores is kind of, it's a bit of a misnomer

1662
02:22:00,710 --> 02:22:05,990
for the relational value of how much alcohol is available, how many cigarettes are available,

1663
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:06,970
and those type of things.

1664
02:22:07,530 --> 02:22:12,170
So again, I just wanted to make sure that I thought it was an anti-competition law stopping

1665
02:22:12,170 --> 02:22:15,410
the private people coming into liquor business, and that's changed dynamically.

1666
02:22:15,410 --> 02:22:19,510
And then it changed also that they can move their liquor establishment around.

1667
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:25,010
And it wasn't allowed yet to be with your beer parlor or whatever before and now you can move it around.

1668
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:29,050
So those rules are there but they vary quite often, thank you.

1669
02:22:29,890 --> 02:22:30,570
Thank you.

1670
02:22:31,210 --> 02:22:37,450
So you know for the speakers, there's 11 different motions here, can take them together.

1671
02:22:37,730 --> 02:22:38,790
They've been moved and seconded.

1672
02:22:39,210 --> 02:22:43,410
Call the question halls in favor, a post, motion carries.

1673
02:22:44,050 --> 02:22:44,410
Thank you.

1674
02:22:44,410 --> 02:22:48,630
Now, we were supposed to take a recess at 9 o'clock.

1675
02:22:49,130 --> 02:22:52,810
What's counsel's pleasure to keep moving or to take a recess?

1676
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:56,650
Okay, we'll keep going.

1677
02:22:57,090 --> 02:23:02,630
So, the next item is under bylaws with no company report, Park Dedication

1678
02:23:02,630 --> 02:23:10,090
Bylaw, number 2018, at 7259, and then it's the motion that counsel reconsider.

1679
02:23:10,290 --> 02:23:11,490
Who's moving this motion, please?

1680
02:23:11,490 --> 02:23:14,550
I would be able to not have available at the time the motion was a win.

1681
02:23:14,610 --> 02:23:17,290
This is my first opportunity to address it at a council meeting.

1682
02:23:17,830 --> 02:23:20,910
And I would appreciate the council reviewed the.

1683
02:23:21,010 --> 02:23:21,310
Thank you.

1684
02:23:21,490 --> 02:23:24,430
So it's been moved by Councillor Kip.

1685
02:23:24,670 --> 02:23:25,270
Is there a seconder?

1686
02:23:26,110 --> 02:23:28,150
Seconded by Councillor Fuller.

1687
02:23:28,270 --> 02:23:28,570
Thank you.

1688
02:23:31,690 --> 02:23:32,410
Councillor Thorpe.

1689
02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:36,860
The reading of your mouth.

1690
02:23:37,060 --> 02:23:37,880
Thank you, Chair.

1691
02:23:38,180 --> 02:23:41,420
Is now the time to read the by-law or do we vote first whether or not to reconsider?

1692
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:42,220
Pardon me.

1693
02:23:43,480 --> 02:23:44,200
All is in favor.

1694
02:23:45,140 --> 02:23:46,580
Opposed? Motion carries.

1695
02:23:48,980 --> 02:23:57,260
And now I will move that part dedication by law 2018, number 7259, to dedicate, sorry,

1696
02:23:57,420 --> 02:24:00,560
to dedicate land for part purpose to be adopted.

1697
02:24:00,900 --> 02:24:01,780
Second the move.

1698
02:24:02,360 --> 02:24:06,260
Thank you. It's been moved and seconded. Any speakers?

1699
02:24:07,320 --> 02:24:11,180
Before we vote on adoption, I'm not going to debate it. I just want to make a declaration

1700
02:24:12,260 --> 02:24:21,340
that with 250 acres available, I can still find it hard to believe we couldn't find 10, 15% of that to use for affordable housing.

1701
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:23,040
So I'll be voting against it.

1702
02:24:23,560 --> 02:24:24,940
Call the question, all those in favor.

1703
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:26,180
Opposed?

1704
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:28,000
Show Mamma K. Opposed.

1705
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:28,760
Motion carries.

1706
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:34,100
Next one, zoning amendment by law, 4,500.117.

1707
02:24:34,960 --> 02:24:35,900
Thank you, Chair.

1708
02:24:36,020 --> 02:24:52,460
I'll move that zoning amendment by law 4,500, 0.117 RA 378 to rezone a portion of 2560 Bowen Road to allow a site-specific use permitting auto-sale service and rental in the Community Corridor Zone, CLR3 be adopted.

1709
02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:53,640
Thank you.

1710
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:55,240
Sir Secretary.

1711
02:24:55,820 --> 02:24:57,460
Seconded by Councillor Armstrong.

1712
02:24:57,820 --> 02:24:58,080
Thank you.

1713
02:24:58,860 --> 02:24:59,560
Any discussion?

1714
02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:02,260
Seeing none, call the questions in favor.

1715
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:03,440
Opposed?

1716
02:25:03,440 --> 02:25:04,820
motion carries.

1717
02:25:06,380 --> 02:25:07,320
Next one.

1718
02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:32,760
I will move that zoning amendment by law 2018, number 450-0.121, to rezone 2202 Meredith Road from single dwelling residential R1 to townhouse residential R6 with site-specific provisions to increase the maximum permitted building height to 9.2 meters and increase the maximum allowable floor area ratio to 0.7 be adopted.

1719
02:25:32,760 --> 02:25:32,860
Seconded.

1720
02:25:33,160 --> 02:25:34,200
Thank you very much.

1721
02:25:35,340 --> 02:25:35,940
Seconded.

1722
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:37,380
Seconded by Councillor Hongon.

1723
02:25:37,440 --> 02:25:38,140
I won't make the mistake.

1724
02:25:39,080 --> 02:25:40,140
Again, call the question.

1725
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:40,960
All is in favour.

1726
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:42,340
Opposed?

1727
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:43,460
Motion carries.

1728
02:25:45,020 --> 02:25:50,500
There's a viola status sheet which is page 1516 of the addendum.

1729
02:25:50,860 --> 02:25:52,060
It's for information only.

1730
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:53,540
There's no correspondence.

1731
02:25:54,180 --> 02:25:55,040
Notice of motions.

1732
02:25:56,840 --> 02:25:59,900
And last but not least, question, period.

1733
02:26:03,260 --> 02:26:03,540
Thank you.

1734
02:26:04,820 --> 02:26:08,080
There's only one listed, and that is Bernie Brunny.

1735
02:26:09,810 --> 02:26:11,910
Do you wish to ask a question?

1736
02:26:19,460 --> 02:26:19,980
Come on down.

1737
02:26:26,440 --> 02:26:30,900
You're a steward avenue, mayor and honorable councillors.

1738
02:26:32,210 --> 02:26:39,920
The director of community development is asking that you close the deal for a piece of property

1739
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:43,060
that's owned by the city on the NIMO River Road.

1740
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:50,380
I'd like to ask why you're considering selling this piece of property in a time when there's very

1741
02:26:50,380 --> 02:26:56,300
Little property around that could be used for a community value also the price on this

1742
02:26:56,300 --> 02:26:57,820
piece of land is

1743
02:26:57,820 --> 02:26:59,400
16,500

1744
02:27:00,260 --> 02:27:05,580
Excuse me somebody is really getting a good deal here somewhere down the road

1745
02:27:05,580 --> 02:27:12,480
So I'd like to know why you're considering selling this property at this time because being owned by the city of

1746
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:17,860
a memo means that it is actually being owned by the people of Nanaimo.

1747
02:27:19,320 --> 02:27:20,040
Thank you.

1748
02:27:20,380 --> 02:27:24,740
In actual fact, it's not a piece of property that we would normally, that we would

1749
02:27:24,740 --> 02:27:26,340
normally consider to be a property.

1750
02:27:26,460 --> 02:27:30,380
It's actually a very narrow sliver of a right-away for a sewer pipe.

1751
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:32,600
It's being used for a sewer?

1752
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:33,360
Correct.

1753
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:36,000
There's no longer in service.

1754
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:40,000
So the people that are buying it are putting in a sewer there?

1755
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:47,260
No, no, it's a piece of property that we have as a city as a rate of way on their property that we're

1756
02:27:47,260 --> 02:27:48,200
going to be selling to them.

1757
02:27:49,160 --> 02:27:50,900
Okay, because we're not using it anymore.

1758
02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:56,960
Okay, maybe you could just have clarified that a little bit further because, you know, when land is being sold

1759
02:27:56,960 --> 02:27:59,880
by the city, like it, I sort of, you know, worry about it.

1760
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:01,540
Can you ask one more question?

1761
02:28:06,140 --> 02:28:07,300
Well, there's a lot of development.

1762
02:28:07,300 --> 02:28:08,600
There's a precedent, Brunei.

1763
02:28:08,860 --> 02:28:14,620
There's a lot of development happening in the city, and I'd like to know if you ever check the

1764
02:28:14,620 --> 02:28:19,160
trees that are on those properties, because the trees are being cut down like crazy.

1765
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:23,600
And there's lots of cities in the world now that are not cutting trees down anymore.

1766
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:27,660
And pretty soon it's not going to be green, and I'd like you to just really think of that.

1767
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:33,700
I mean, every time a development comes along, bang, first thing that happens is the trees come down.

1768
02:28:34,260 --> 02:28:35,680
You know, really?

1769
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:35,780
All right.

1770
02:28:36,700 --> 02:28:37,480
Thank you.

1771
02:28:38,020 --> 02:28:43,320
Good day to explain some of the things that we look at.

1772
02:28:43,660 --> 02:28:44,120
Mr. Lindsey?

1773
02:28:48,620 --> 02:28:57,280
Your worship, certainly, with all development applications, they are vetted under our tree management plan and the tree bylaw.

1774
02:28:57,380 --> 02:29:02,780
So if trees have to be removed and on many sites, they do have to be removed to accommodate development.

1775
02:29:03,280 --> 02:29:09,260
Their replacement is our first priority, but generally, we look at both conservation wherever possible.

1776
02:29:09,260 --> 02:29:15,940
replacement where removal is required. Thank you. The recording secretary, Ms.

1777
02:29:16,060 --> 02:29:16,380
Gruey.

1778
02:29:19,000 --> 02:29:22,960
Thank you, Your Worship. There's a gentleman that just came down that is wondering if

1779
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:27,980
its Councillor's pleasure, if you could ask a couple of questions. Mr. Anderson?

1780
02:29:39,980 --> 02:29:45,340
We're actually more points of information on things that came up tonight. My name is

1781
02:29:45,340 --> 02:29:59,060
I'm Jess Anderson. I live up on Selby Street. I'm more than slightly familiar with the homeless situation last eight years of lived on Selby Street. I've watched 49 evictions.

1782
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,740
I've reported over 35 break-ins at my place.

1783
02:30:05,820 --> 02:30:29,980
I've seen the drug deals, the prostitution, the fights, and to everything else it goes with a street scene. What I have noticed over the years is that one of the biggest things about the homeless problem is their visibility. And you're talking about a drop-in center during this.

1784
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:39,260
the day, but it's their behaviors and their homeless situation at night that has to be dealt

1785
02:30:39,260 --> 02:30:45,520
with, and a daily drop-in when they can already go to the library and so on and so forth isn't

1786
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:46,280
really effective.

1787
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:49,040
Do you have a question for Councilman, Mr. Anderson?

1788
02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:50,540
Okay.

1789
02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:58,140
My question is, would the Council consider taking some of that money and putting it into

1790
02:30:58,140 --> 02:31:03,960
something effective. What I mean by effective is, it's their visibility that

1791
02:31:03,960 --> 02:31:09,200
bothers everybody most. And one of the biggest parts of the visibility is they

1792
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:16,900
have to carry their household with them in a cart or a shopping cart or whatever.

1793
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:20,880
They're visible, they're dragging it around, they're sitting in everybody's

1794
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:26,580
doorway, they're getting chased, hitherto on, you got 14 or 15 security guards,

1795
02:31:26,580 --> 02:31:28,820
It's chasing away from different buildings downtown.

1796
02:31:29,700 --> 02:31:31,900
If the council would consider

1797
02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:39,000
renting a storage space for them to throw their stuff during the day,

1798
02:31:39,260 --> 02:31:44,160
those that wanted to work would be able to not have to worry about their property.

1799
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:46,480
They'd be less visible.

1800
02:31:47,060 --> 02:31:49,120
They'd be a little less unhappy.

1801
02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:53,780
And by law enforcement wouldn't be running and grabbing their stuff all the time.

1802
02:31:53,780 --> 02:32:02,740
And it's pretty cheap to rent a bunch of two-foot lockers and place them in a public parking lot,

1803
02:32:02,740 --> 02:32:08,080
say lock your stuff up for the day, especially for the ones that want to go to work and currently can't,

1804
02:32:08,140 --> 02:32:09,920
because they've got to carry too much stuff around.

1805
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:13,740
So to answer your question, sir.

1806
02:32:14,660 --> 02:32:20,860
The question is, would you consider doing something like that, which is cheap and simple and easy?

1807
02:32:20,860 --> 02:32:25,720
and far more cost-effective than a plate of service.

1808
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:31,660
Thank you, sir. Thank you. To answer your question, yes, I do believe that that was part

1809
02:32:31,660 --> 02:32:37,600
of the drop-in centers mandate, including a number of other things, showers, those sorts

1810
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:41,220
of things. But storage facilities were part of that.

1811
02:32:41,820 --> 02:32:46,500
Okay. Second part, I was going to ask on.

1812
02:32:46,500 --> 02:32:57,960
The question was raised by one of your counselors about cannabis processing for oils and foods and so on and so forth.

1813
02:32:58,300 --> 02:33:01,060
And nobody seemed really sure on how that would be done.

1814
02:33:02,060 --> 02:33:08,800
It would probably, my understanding from talking to people with health Canada would be dealing with that same as they do with all the natural

1815
02:33:12,100 --> 02:33:14,520
that's just a point of information I wanted to bring forward.

1816
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:15,160
Thank you.

1817
02:33:15,460 --> 02:33:15,960
Thank you.

1818
02:33:16,180 --> 02:33:17,040
Thank you for your time.

1819
02:33:17,220 --> 02:33:17,980
Thank you.

1820
02:33:18,020 --> 02:33:18,600
Thank you.

1821
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:19,960
Motion to adjourn.

1822
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:20,520
Seconder.

1823
02:33:21,340 --> 02:33:23,260
Vice Councilor Thorpe, thank you all those in favor.

1824
02:33:23,980 --> 02:33:24,360
Opposed?

1825
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:25,240
Motion carries.