1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 New one. Your hair looks great, Erin. It really does. Okay, we can get started. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Excellent. Good evening. And are we ready? Right. Great. Good evening and welcome to the February 5th, 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,000 2026 City of Napa Regular Meeting for the Planning Commission. Roll call, please. 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Commissioner Ivak. Here. Commissioner Massaro. Here. Commissioner Myers. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Vice chair Olin. And chair shot will. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Present. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:46,000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation undergone. 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:57,000 The Planning Commission conducts all meetings in accordance with the Ralph Milton Brown Act. 9 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:06,000 California government code section 54950 at sec and pursuant to the city's rules of order for planning commission meetings. 10 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Policy resolution 10. Staff. Any changes to this evening's agenda or any supplemental reports? 11 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,000 No changes. Commissioners, any proposed changes to the evening's agenda. 12 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Tonight we will vote on the Planning Commission chair and vice chair. 13 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:32,000 And I just wanted to say before doing so it has really been an interesting ride. 14 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:39,000 I've really enjoyed it. My tenure here is in two years of being chair. 15 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:50,000 It was daunting, but rewarding and it would be my honor to nominate vice chair Olin as chair. 16 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,000 And vice and commissioner Myers as vice chair. 17 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:05,000 I am open to other nominations if needed. Do we have any other nominations? 18 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 No second. All in favor. 19 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Hi. 20 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Great. Thank you. Enjoy. I just want to do this one last. 21 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 But we're not adjourned. 22 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Do we switch? 23 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Yeah, so you will immediately switch and then. 24 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 I might need a lesson on this. 25 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 This should be the script. 26 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Oh, there's something to do. 27 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Excuse me. 28 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 So. 29 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 We just finished this. 30 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 So. 31 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 All right. 32 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Let's start with public. 33 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Okay. 34 00:02:47,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Public comment provides an opportunity for members of the public to directly address the planning commission on items of interest. 35 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Not otherwise noted on the agenda. 36 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Each speaker's comments will be limited to three minutes and will comply with the rules of order for planning commission meetings. 37 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Do we have any members of the public who wish to provide public comments and non agenda items? 38 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Oh, I thought. 39 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000 I'm sorry. 40 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,000 I said we do because I thought she was here. 41 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Okay. 42 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 That's okay. 43 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Do I need to even open comments? 44 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 We just closed comment. 45 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 All right. 46 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 The consent calendar. 47 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 These routine items may be approved by a single vote. 48 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,000 However, any member of the public or commissioner may remove an item for consideration during the public hearing portion of the agenda. 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,000 This evening, we are reviewing the planning commission regular meeting minutes for December 18, 2025. 50 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 And December 15, 20, 26. 51 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Do I have a motion to approve the minutes for December 18, 20, 25? 52 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Some moved. 53 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 All those in favor? 54 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Second. 55 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Second. 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Second. 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Second. 58 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:08,000 I will abstain from January 15, but I approve December 18. 59 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 We're sorry. 60 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 We're doing both of them at the same time. 61 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Sure. 62 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I know what to have two separate questions. 63 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 I was doing just December 18. 64 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Okay. 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Great. 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 So I abstain from December 18. 67 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Perfect. 68 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 All right. 69 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 So all those in favor say aye. 70 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Aye. 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Approved. 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000 And now motion to approve the meeting minutes for January 15, 20, 26. 73 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Do I have a motion? 74 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,000 So moved. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 And do I have a second? 76 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Second. 77 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 All those in favor? 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Aye. 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,000 abstain. 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 abstain. 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 All right. 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Fair with me. 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 This is no. 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Consent hearings. 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 We have no consent hearings. 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Public hearings appeals. 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 None of those. 88 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Administrative reports. 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Administrative report items include reports and recommendations from city staff that do not require. 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 A public hearing prior to action by the commission. 91 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 The commission may take action if the agenda description provides for it. 92 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Only the planning commission may authorize public input for these items. 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 It is within the discretion of the chair and commission to allow public testimony. 94 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Tonight we have item eight a annual review of policy resolution number 10. 95 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Ralph M. Brown Act and conflict of interest laws. 96 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,000 We will now hear a report from staff. 97 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 That would be me. 98 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Can't afford to. 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:38,000 I've taken the reports from the past and tried to summarize them and make them a little shorter. 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,000 The review is on policy resolution number 10. 101 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,000 The Brown Act and the applicable conflict of interest laws. 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Let's see. 103 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 I have a little device here. 104 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 There we go. 105 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:05,000 So it seems to me appropriate to point out that the goal of all these things is to foster public trust and confidence. 106 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Because as we get into. 107 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,000 What the rules are there so many rules we couldn't go over them all here. 108 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,000 But it helps me when I think about. 109 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Trying to make sense of all the laws and rules things to understand if I. 110 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Excuse me if I need to decide what the appropriate rule is. 111 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,000 It always helps me to understand what the goal is underlying goal. 112 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,000 And for all three of these items that we're going to review. 113 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:46,000 The underlying goal is to foster public trust and confidence in government. 114 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,000 So as as you go through your. 115 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 You know your practice is a commissioner if you're thinking. 116 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 What do I need to do here? 117 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:02,000 What's the right approach is this consistent with the Brown Act or. 118 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Or do I have a conflict? 119 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,000 It always helps to think well you know what's the underlying purpose here. 120 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,000 And that usually helps me find the right answer. 121 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,000 So in this case. 122 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:31,000 The way that these three items achieve that goal is with respect to policy resolution number 10. 123 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 It requires government officials. 124 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,000 In this case the commissioners to follow certain rules and procedures. 125 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 It applies to you as individuals right. 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 With respect to the Brown Act. 127 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:51,000 It requires that government be conducted in the open that's the underlying thing. 128 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:57,000 And I hope that as we go through this and we'll go through it as quickly as I possibly can. 129 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:05,000 That you'll see that you know that everything is about making sure that government is not done in secret. 130 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,000 And with respect to conflict of interest laws. 131 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,000 It applies to individual government officials to make sure that they're acting in the public interest. 132 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:24,000 And not out of their own self interest. 133 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 So starting with policy resolution number 10. 134 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,000 By the way, does everyone have a copy of policy resolution 10? 135 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,000 I've read it several times. 136 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:46,000 And I've been asked many questions from commissioners and staff. 137 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,000 And most of the time when I go to look for the answer I find it in there somewhere. 138 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Right. 139 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:05,000 So for example, Alex, I think you asked me a couple of meetings ago about whether a motion was necessary to open and close public hearing. 140 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 I think so. 141 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Yeah. 142 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Do you recall that? 143 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 And I never got back to you here. 144 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 I am getting back to you. 145 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 I'm wondering. 146 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Yeah. 147 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I'm sure it was keeping up at night. 148 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 A motion is not required. 149 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 The chair can open public hearing. 150 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,000 But a motion is supposed to be required to close the public hearing. 151 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:34,000 So the chair has broad authority to govern the meeting, the new chair. 152 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:43,000 But when it comes to closing public hearing, that should be done by a motion second and a vote. 153 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Other questions come up about how to make motions, how to recuse things like that. 154 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Pretty much everything is in policy resolution number 10. 155 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:02,000 So anyway, policy resolution number 10 applies to rules for conduct. 156 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Individual conduct as well as group conduct as commissioners. 157 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:18,000 The two primary sort of rules are to conduct yourself with professional respect and civility. 158 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And to attend each meeting and be prepared to fully discuss all the items on the agenda. 159 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:31,000 And there are various aspects of that that go into a lot more detail. 160 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,000 That's in that policy resolution. 161 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:48,000 So one thing that I'd like to mention just as kind of tearing from what Dan has to say is it's really important from staff as far as expectations for attendance. 162 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Relates to conflict of interest to be notified early in advance because when we prepare agenda forecasts. 163 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Put projects on agendas and comply with all noticing requirements. 164 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Some of those, especially as it pertains to residential projects, we have very tight timelines that we have to meet. 165 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:20,000 And so if we're not aware of maybe a conflict or an absence until soon before the meeting, it kind of puts us in a predicament. 166 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,000 And at times we can run into legal implications if we don't have the ability to process it. 167 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 So if anything to reiterate, he's had. 168 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:37,000 When we're doing agenda forecast, if any questions about projects, ten of the timelines or projects kind of on the horizon. 169 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:45,000 So if we're free to reach out to staff if you have a question about conflicts. 170 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 So again. 171 00:11:49,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Individual conduct group conduct, which are the procedures for meetings, order of business for meetings is described in detail. 172 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 How the meetings are conducted. 173 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:10,000 The authority of the chair is set forth in some detail. 174 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Everything you need is pretty much in sections eight, nine and ten of policy resolution number ten. 175 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:31,000 If you have any questions about that, I'm going to move on to the Brown Act, but if you have questions, you know, feel free to interrupt me and ask. 176 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:39,000 I don't want to try to go into detail about everything that you can open policy resolution number ten and look at. 177 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:46,000 The Ralph M. Brown Act, and I have to credit Beverly for telling me that it's the Ralph M. Brown Act. 178 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 I always called it the Brown Act before she enlighten me as to that. 179 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:01,000 So again, these are rules to ensure that government is conducted in the open. 180 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:14,000 The primary way that's done is to require government officials to deliberate and to act in the open before the public and not in secret. 181 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:24,000 And so all commission deliberations and actions have to occur in the context of a duly notice public meeting. 182 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:42,000 And except in a duly notice public meeting commissioners are prohibited from communicating with one another in a way that would cause them to deliberate or discuss items that are within the commission's jurisdiction. 183 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:53,000 So that is in a nutshell what is required and then there of course are a thousand variations on how to comply or not comply with that. 184 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Which again are in policy resolution number ten. 185 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:10,000 But the rules are basically that you're not allowed to meet for lunch and at least three of you I should say you know it applies. 186 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:17,000 The rule is that a majority of the commission cannot meet. 187 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:35,000 I think just as a matter of perception it's good practice not to meet even if it's not a majority of the commission and to meet and discuss you know to informally these kinds of things because I could lead to what is called a serial meeting. 188 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:44,000 It does everyone understand the concept of a serial meeting okay so I don't need to go into that but. 189 00:14:44,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Those are basically the the two big rules right everything has to be done in a meeting and you can't have serial meetings and serial meetings can occur when you know Beverly talks Alex and then Alex talks to Lindsey and. 190 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Suddenly, you've decided on some action at the commission that you haven't acted on in public. They could also happen if you're talking to someone who's not a commission member, you know, an applicant or someone some member of the public who's playing a game of telephone basically, right? And you're talking about commission actions. So, you know, no informal meetings, there are, you know, civil and criminal penalties. 191 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:37,000 These are these sorts of things you probably aware that and nobody wants to be faced with those sorts of things. 192 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:53,000 So, there are some exceptions to the rule of, through these sort of informal meeting rule where three commissioners, you know, are not supposed to be meeting. 193 00:15:53,000 --> 00:16:05,000 But these exceptions again are in the policy resolution, but I'll run through them quickly. 194 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:22,000 If you're attending a conference and three or four members of the commission there are there and it's a general interest, you know, then you're not prohibited from talking about topics that are relevant to the conference, but you don't want to wind up. 195 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:32,000 You wind up having the conversation lead into items that the commission is going to come before the commission that would be a violation of the Brown Act. 196 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Commissioners are allowed to attend meetings of the city council and things like that, you know, you could, of course, all attend meetings and discuss those items there. 197 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Social events, you know, you're not told you can't all attend the same social event. 198 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:01,000 I'm guessing there may be one tomorrow night that will be attended by more than three commissioners. 199 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:14,000 No violation of the Brown Act there, as long as we don't see you in the corner, you know, whispering and talking about items that are going to come before the commission. 200 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:32,000 There, there were a number of, you may have heard that there were, there was a big piece of legislation that had to do with reform of the Brown Act this year. 201 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:42,000 And all those reforms, none of them applied to these fundamental Brown Act restrictions on your conduct. 202 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:55,000 You know, they relate to things like how to conduct teleconferences, a lot of it was updating to bring these meeting laws into the 21st century. 203 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:10,000 But I've looked at it and I don't see anything that relates to the fundamental prohibition on, you know, restriction to meetings and prohibition on informal meetings and serial meetings. 204 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:19,000 So there's nothing there as far as I can tell that needs to be updated with respect to those kinds of violations. 205 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And I'd be happy to look at it further if you have questions about it, but I don't think it relates to your conduct really so. 206 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Any questions on Brown Act because I'm going to leave that topic to now. 207 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:42,000 I just have, oh, I have a couple and unless someone would like to ask something first. 208 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:50,000 So a couple of things, do you know whether the revisions have. 209 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:57,000 I'm not on social media, by the way, but I know it came up that. 210 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:13,000 That there may be a big conflict if people are on social media and they like tag something that is related to an agenda item either past or future. 211 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Yeah, I don't think that the reforms. 212 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:35,000 I address that specifically, but the risk of using social media is related to the risk of having a serial meeting right where you've communicated with someone. 213 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:45,000 On the commission and you use social media back and forth and two or three of you have talked and suddenly you have a serial meeting where. 214 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:53,000 You're not conducting, you know, the commission's business in the context of a public duly notice meeting. 215 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,000 That's how that problem typically arises. 216 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:14,000 The other question I had is I've always been apprehensive to talk too much about items that we've already voted on and have moved to city council until they've been voted on by city council. 217 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Because I've always wondered could something come back to us before it was whatever agenda item that may be in question or for the vote on city council could anything ever come back to us. 218 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Make sure I understand is the question whether if something that the commission has approved. 219 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:55,000 I've moved and recommended, you know, to forward a recommendation to city council and then we start we so we voted let's say we voted in it majority and then we're all like celebrating that was, you know, I'm so glad. 220 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Well, great conversation, you know, after the fact and then it goes to city council and is there ever a possibility of it coming back to us. 221 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,000 After the council has acted. 222 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Sure. 223 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:23,000 I mean, so is that I mean, so that that would that would just it makes me think that we'll then should we ever talk about anything after we've already voted. 224 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:31,000 The way the I mean the most common way and I'm not sure I can think of another way that it would come back. 225 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Is if the council acted in a way that sent it back to the planning commission, you know, maybe they. 226 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:47,000 If there was some sort of action like say a development agreement was presented and. 227 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Commission recommended approval it went to the city council and they. 228 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:07,000 And it's not the same D.A. that wasn't considered by the planning commission. 229 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Well, in that case, since it's a D.A. and has to go to planning. 230 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:18,000 It has, you know, has to go to planning commission and then council and if they change it then it's not the same D.A. that was a planning. 231 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:27,000 You were okay, that makes complete sense because if it comes back to us, there will it it comes back with some type of re like revision. 232 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Yeah, yeah, and that would apply to like a general plan or specific plan. 233 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Any any approval that is required to go to planning commission and city council. 234 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:50,000 We changed in the meantime, without having to go back, I shouldn't say can't be, but can't be substantially changed in a way that. 235 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,000 You know, otherwise it has to go back to planning commission. 236 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Okay, thank you. 237 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,000 I mean, there can be revisions, but. 238 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,000 It would minor right so we wouldn't we I total unclear. 239 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Okay crystal clear. Thank you. 240 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Yeah, of course. 241 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,000 Brown ex stuff or no. 242 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Conflict of interest. Everybody's favorite topic, I'm sure. 243 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:26,000 So there's basically two kinds. There are lots of different laws again that prohibit conflicts of interest. 244 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,000 There's basically two kinds. Financial conflicts and non financial conflicts, right? 245 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:39,000 And there are government code provisions that prohibit financial conflicts of interest. 246 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:46,000 The three kinds you probably or the two kinds, I should say relating to financial interest that you probably heard about her. 247 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Government code 1090 which prohibits someone interested in a contract from influencing or voting on that contract. 248 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:04,000 And then there's political reform act prohibitions that are broader than that. 249 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:12,000 And actually political reform act kind of encompasses the government code 1090. 250 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:26,000 But political reform act addresses not only contracts, but conflicts of interest that may arise from relationships with sources of gifts or income. 251 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:35,000 You can't vote on something from an applicant who is your employer. 252 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:42,000 For example, is a source of income or someone who has given you gifts of a certain value. 253 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,000 I think it's still around $500 a year. 254 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:58,000 If the decision relates to real property that you own as to be specifically related and commissioner, you might like. 255 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:04,000 I writer told me that you may have a question about this. 256 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Also, you business investments of yours. 257 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:17,000 If you have an investment in a company and the company is an applicant before you, then that would be a financial interest. 258 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:27,000 The other thing to keep in mind about financial interest is it could be a financial interest of your spouse or dependent. 259 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:38,000 That could be attributed to you and give rise to a conflict that could be disqualified. 260 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:49,000 So with respects to the real property writer, correct me from around to actually commissioner, you could. 261 00:25:49,000 --> 00:26:00,000 My understanding was you have property that may be within 500 feet of certain applications that will be coming to the commission. 262 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:19,000 No, so I'm looking for clarification on the definition of how how it is interpreted like financial interest in a property because I rent where I live and I've seen different interpretations of this in some cases. 263 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,000 And I think it relates in part to the length of the least from what I've seen. 264 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Yeah, unfortunately poor use of laying in this laws are not always well written as I'm sure we all know. 265 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:54,000 The law itself uses the term least hold interest can give rise to that kind of conflict, but month to month leases are have been determined not to count not to like you're monthly residents if you have a month to month lease. 266 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:10,000 That's not a disqualifying conflict of interest now having said that if if you had a month to month lease. 267 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:29,000 And the applicant the property was within 500 feet you know that wouldn't necessarily be a disqualifying conflict, but you could have a non financial interest the other type that you know I mentioned right so. 268 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:44,000 If if for some reason you were opposed to the project because you believe it was inappropriate in the neighborhood or you know or there were other effects of the project that you were opposed to and. 269 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:59,000 You didn't think that you could be impartial then you would be prudent to consider or to recuse yourself from that and you know these. 270 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:15,000 The conflict determinations they're on you guys to make right and it's up to you to determine whether the conflict that you feel like you may have is a disqualifying conflict or not. 271 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:24,000 And there are lots of sources where you can go to talk to you know lead the city attorney's office obviously but. 272 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:40,000 FPPC other places that provide guidance on this but in the end you know you're the one who has to determine for yourself whether that's disqualifying conflict of interest. 273 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:50,000 And fairer unfair if you get it wrong you could be subject to civil or criminal liability right so. 274 00:28:50,000 --> 00:29:01,000 It it makes sense to reach out and investigate these things if you feel like you may have a problem. 275 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Do you clarify what you mean by month to month please. 276 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Do you mean like the at least where you pay the rent on a monthly basis and where. 277 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Well, and I will tell you this is my interpretation right and I haven't seen anything. 278 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:36,000 In the cases or in the law that spells it out with great clarity but in my view if you have like a a three year lease requires payment on a month a month basis and you have like a 30 day right to. 279 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000 To get out or they have a right to give you 30 day notice. 280 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Excuse me that's month a month please okay so it's not okay got it I was thinking like the term of the least agreement that's not what you got no no thank you and. 281 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000 And again I mean. 282 00:29:53,000 --> 00:30:00,000 That's my interpretation if you had a 25 year lease you know that that. 283 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:14,000 It had rights of termination in the middle. That would be a factor in determining whether you had a conflict. 284 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:29,000 I think that I would still not change. I think that when they put the word leasehold interest in the law, they were talking about more commercial kinds of leases and things like that that really almost are like, 285 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,000 you know, the equivalent of fee title and the property, right? 286 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:45,000 You know, that give you a, you know, because you see 100 year leases, 50 year leases, my interpretation is that those are the kinds of leases, 287 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:54,000 leasehold interest that were intended to give rise to the kinds of conflicts that could give rise to criminal liability. 288 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:09,000 And in this case, I likely will still refuse myself because of the perception that I could have impacts on me based on the impact of the development, but that's helpful. 289 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Thank you. And I'm glad you said that, actually, because that relates to the next point about the non-financial interest. 290 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:35,000 That extends even to like an appearance of impropriety, right? If the public believes that, or if it would be reasonable for someone in the public to think, you know, 291 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:52,000 you, you could have a bias here, even though you know in your heart and in your head that, you know, whatever this, the factor is that's giving rise to this potential conflict is not present for you. 292 00:31:52,000 --> 00:32:04,000 If it's reasonable for someone in the public to think that you may have a bias, then you should probably think about whether, you know, it makes sense to recuse or abstain. 293 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:33,000 So, lots to think about where you guys there, but, okay, so, what to do, if you have a conflict, you refuse, right? You refuse yourself from the item on the agenda and you make no attempt to influence the decision at all. 294 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Right? And, refusal process is pretty simple. Again, it's laid out very clearly in policy resolution number 10. 295 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:57,000 You, after the chair has introduced the item, you identify your, you know, your interest that gives rise to the conflict. 296 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:10,000 If the item is not on the consent calendar, then you have to leave the room. If it's on the consent calendar, you just leave the dyes, but you don't have to leave the room. 297 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:24,000 And then again, you don't participate in the vote or to try to influence the vote at all. 298 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:31,000 And as usual, there are exceptions to the rule about influencing the vote. 299 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Limited exceptions, if, if you're a design professional, I know there are design professionals here, and you have a client and you've been retained to prepare designs. 300 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:57,000 And then you can do that, and you can talk to staff, you know, and you can appear at a hearing and, you know, explain and discuss the designs and answer questions, right? 301 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:06,000 In the capacity of your professional work and representing your client. 302 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,000 Of course, you're not going to vote on the, you know, the matter, right? 303 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:22,000 The other exception to the rule is you can appear at a public hearing as a member, just in your own capacity as a citizen, right? 304 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Just as a member of the general public. 305 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:41,000 You can't represent anyone else, but, you know, if there's a matter that you've been conflicted out of, but you have, you want to appear and voice your interests in your capacity as a citizen, 306 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000 then you're allowed to do that. 307 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:50,000 It's first amendment right, basically, so. 308 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:59,000 Dan, just to clarify, on number one, be out if you're in the design profession. 309 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,000 You can talk, as it says up there, you can talk to the city staff. 310 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,000 We're guiding all your documents and things like that, but when it actually comes to your presentation in front of the commission, 311 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 you're not allowed to, is that, to the commission? 312 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000 No, you can't. 313 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000 Excuse me. 314 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,000 You can appear as the applicants. 315 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Or is there ever, yeah, or design professional, but. 316 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Yeah, I mean, you know, these are squishy, right? 317 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:42,000 So you have to be careful what you're saying, right, you know, but of course, if you're the engineer or the designer or whatever, 318 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,000 the commission may have questions for you about it, you know, and. 319 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 I think, you know, one of the. 320 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Was, you know, Bob was on the commission. 321 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000 Sure. 322 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,000 And when our projects came through, we typically go and we meet with each of the commissioners. 323 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,000 We meet with city council and whatnot, but he would never do those meetings. 324 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,000 Right. 325 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000 And so that's something I would never do. 326 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000 I would send someone else to do those meetings. 327 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Yeah. 328 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:19,000 The rules explicitly say that partners, business colleagues are not prevented from doing that. 329 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000 You know, and so I mean, I understand that. 330 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 That's the prudent thing to do, right? 331 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 I think. 332 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,000 But there is a tension with, you know, 333 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,000 I don't want to say it's. 334 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:44,000 I mean, there's a tension with first amendment actually, you know, and so. 335 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,000 I would follow, I think yours and Bob's practice. 336 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,000 But I think that's the right thing to tell you. 337 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000 Did you do that, right? 338 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000 Yeah. 339 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000 But I think that's the right way to do it. 340 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000 Yeah. 341 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Yeah. 342 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Okay. 343 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Very good. 344 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Thank you. 345 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000 I mean, that's clear. 346 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Question. 347 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Others. 348 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,000 Okay. 349 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Well, I think I said this already, but if you do have questions, I mean, 350 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:25,000 I can't urge you strongly enough to, you know, talk to someone. 351 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,000 If you feel like you have a conflict because, frankly, the repercussions could be serious, right? 352 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,000 So, I mean, in most cases, they're probably not, but you never know. 353 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000 And politics can be a dirty business, you know. 354 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:47,000 So, you know, you got the city attorney's office that you can talk to. 355 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,000 The FPPC has two avenues for advice. 356 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000 You can get informal advice and you can log under their website. 357 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:02,000 And they will communicate with you and answer questions and things like that. 358 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:08,000 And you can get an informal opinion from them that can be very helpful. 359 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,000 But if you want formal advice, there's a separate process that you need to go through. 360 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Again, it's on the website. 361 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:26,000 And if you get a formal FPPC opinion that will immunize you against criminal or civil life, I think it's both liability. 362 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:37,000 So, you know, if you had a serious issue and you were worried about it, it would probably be worth getting a formal FPPC opinion. 363 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000 But it takes a while. 364 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000 It does take a while. 365 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000 Yes. 366 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Have you been through that process? 367 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Really? 368 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,000 Yeah. 369 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Okay. 370 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 I have not, so. 371 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Real pain. 372 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000 How long? 373 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,000 I think it was, I mean, around a month, which is tough if you don't have enough. 374 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Yeah, right. 375 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000 Because it always comes up in the last minute, right? 376 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000 It's actually not as long as I thought. 377 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:11,000 It could have been longer, but that's my recollection. 378 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Anyway, also, the Institute for Local Government website is up there. 379 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 It's a pretty useful place. 380 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000 They have a lot of information about conflicts of interest. 381 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:29,000 So, that could be very helpful. 382 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:37,000 I think, oh, that's going to say I think I've come to the end, but I haven't. 383 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:47,000 So, there are two, a couple of other things I wanted to mention. 384 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:53,000 This city charter has a prohibition that, on accepting gifts. 385 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000 It's section 103. 386 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,000 You can't accept gifts from a single source that exceed $460 in a year. 387 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000 I'm not sure whether that's gone up or not. 388 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,000 That was the last publication of the charter. 389 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:21,000 And, of course, you can't accept gifts from a person who's doing business with or seeking to do business with the city. 390 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:27,000 You know, these, again, are kind of common sense. 391 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000 I learned everything in kindergarten. 392 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,000 I need to know what you think, hard enough. 393 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:45,000 The government code requires that you undergo by any old ethics training. 394 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000 Every two years, you have to certify to the city clerk that you've done this. 395 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,000 This was actually news to me, but not having been a commissioner. 396 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000 I didn't know that. 397 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000 So, you're supposed to certify to the city clerk. 398 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,000 What is within 60 days of becoming a commissioner? 399 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000 And then every two years, and then within 60 days of departing as a commissioner. 400 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000 You know, a quizzical look is me. 401 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:26,000 I don't know what the penalty is, but I said it, and there it is. 402 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000 And then every, I don't know if you fill out four of seven hundreds. 403 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:36,000 Okay, everyone knows about that. 404 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Anyway, I think that brings me to the end. 405 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000 So, any questions? 406 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 Any questions for staff? 407 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 No, thank you. 408 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000 Thanks for sitting through it. 409 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000 The Planning Commission requires no formal action. 410 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000 Are there any additional questions or comments for staff? 411 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000 Is this number nine? 412 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,000 No, that was number four for eight. 413 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000 Now, moving on to number nine. 414 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Are there any comments by commissioners and or staff? 415 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Beverly, thank you for two exceptional years as the chair. 416 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,000 Really wonderful job. 417 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000 And I think we all enjoyed your chair. 418 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Personship very much. 419 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 Wow, thank you. 420 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000 That's very kind. 421 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:33,000 And as I had mentioned, it really is daunting. 422 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:41,000 But it literally took six to eight months for me to understand my take on it. 423 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,000 And what I can contribute, you know. 424 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000 So, it's individual. 425 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000 In my opinion, it's individual for each chair. 426 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Everyone does it differently. 427 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,000 And I couldn't be happier with our band. 428 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000 We've broken it. 429 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,000 Well, it was a pleasure sitting next to you the last year and learning what I could. 430 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Bear with me as I get my footing. 431 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000 I do truly appreciate your confidence and support. 432 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000 I'm donating me for chair. 433 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000 And I'm grateful to work alongside such thoughtful commissioners. 434 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,000 And I look forward to continuing our work together in serving our community here in Napa. 435 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000 So thank you. 436 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,000 Any other comments? 437 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Well, just echo as Alex. 438 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000 Thank you. 439 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,000 Beverly, for your service. 440 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 The last year. 441 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,000 It's been really good for me to be up here with this group of people. 442 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,000 And you, especially. 443 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000 And you also in the rest of you guys too. 444 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000 So I appreciate that. 445 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000 I look forward to this coming here. 446 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000 Thank you. 447 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000 All right. 448 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Was that? 449 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000 Oh, the next regularly scheduled meeting. 450 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000 I do have one update. 451 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,000 Planning manager, staff response, tentative agenda schedule projects. 452 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Yes. 453 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000 I do have a quick update to go through. 454 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000 But I'll echo what the fellow commissioners have said. 455 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,000 Congratulations on your two years as chair. 456 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000 Now commissioner shot well. 457 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,000 Also, congratulations to chair. 458 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000 Oh, and invite chair Myers. 459 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,000 I look forward to the growth within those roles and the confidence that you build over time. 460 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000 I mean, making decisions within your roles. 461 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:32,000 But yes, we've heard an interest from the commission just to provide kind of a tentative schedule of projects on the horizon just to kind of gauge the pulse. 462 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,000 Sometimes it's an interest of planning out your year. 463 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:44,000 And so with the agenda forecast on the horizon, next planning commission meeting tentatively schedule. 464 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,000 We have the general plan annual progress report and housing element annual progress report. 465 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:59,000 Angela Planner and our office is working very diligently on those numbers and it's taking a lot of time for her to work on that. 466 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000 We should have that. 467 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:19,000 That's to present to you as admin reports for the next planning commission meeting. As far as March, beginning a March, we don't have anything scheduled for that planning commission meeting, but we do have a relatively busy schedule, tentatively for the second meeting in March. 468 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:26,000 If it helps at all a lot of the times that the project files are the address for the project and I know that's helpful. 469 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:36,000 We can commit to as if we don't have the address listed on the files to list the address as well if it helps in any way determining whether there's a conflict or not. 470 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,000 And as you plan kind of your individual schedules. 471 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:49,000 One thing I'd like to mention to on Tuesday this week that the Health Subdivision was approved by City Council unanimously. 472 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:55,000 So if you haven't watched that yet and go back and watch the recording for his infant health subdivision, 473 00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,000 we'll receive definitely was not the most popular project of the night. 474 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,000 There was a Lincoln Avenue discussion that filled the council chambers. 475 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,000 As far as April, we don't have anything tentatively scheduled yet, but that was subject to change. 476 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:26,000 One other update to provide as far as conference is zoning update or likely chat kind of tracking to have a screen check draft of the zoning ordinance update for public review around spring. 477 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:35,000 We don't have a set date for that yet to know set dates for workshops or subsequent hearings. 478 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,000 Ultimately, overall timelines still tracking for the fall for full adoption. 479 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,000 So if you have any questions, always available. 480 00:46:46,000 --> 00:47:01,000 I want to just say thank you because getting that responses in terms of how things went with City Council is so helpful because oftentimes I have every intention of watching it or at least following up. 481 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:10,000 And so thank you for that and this advanced forecast of what's ahead is also so very helpful. 482 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,000 Thank you. 483 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:19,000 And always open the feedback to if you're looking for any regular updates. 484 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:27,000 I do have a question about next month's training has any decisions been made about which commissioners are going to be able to go. 485 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,000 Not yet, but we'll keep you up to another. 486 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:42,000 All right, the next regularly scheduled meeting for the Planning Commission of the City of Napa is February 19, 2026 this meeting is adjourned.