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Good evening and welcome to the February 3rd, Naperville City Council meeting, roll call. Warley. Here. Gibson. Here. Holds our. Here. Jane. Here. Kelly. Here. McProom. Saiyan. Yep. White. Here. Wilson. Here. Please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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Our first item in the agenda tonight is awards and recognitions. Councilman White will present the first proclamation for Black History Month.

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right. Good evening everyone. Can I get the members from the Naperville

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Neighbors United to come on down?

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This is the office of the Mayor of City of

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Naperville Proclamation for Black History Month February 2026. Whereas Black

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History Month observed each February is a time to honor the rich history culture and

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contributions of black Americans who have played a pivotal role in shaping the

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fabric of our nation and local community.

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And whereas the study and celebration of black history

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are essential to understanding the enduring struggles,

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resilience and achievements that have marked the journey

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toward equity and justice in our society.

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And whereas the city of Naperville

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maintains within its mission statement

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a commitment to create an inclusive community

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that values diversity.

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And whereas recognizing Black History Month

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provides an opportunity not only to reflect on history,

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but also to recommit ourselves to the ongoing work

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of equity, inclusion, and mutual respect in Naperville.

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And whereas Naperville neighbors United

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exemplifies the spirit of unity and education

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by fostering dialogue, creating connections,

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and celebrating the diversity that enriches our community.

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And whereas through initiatives, events, and conversations,

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Naperville Neighbors United continues to inspire individuals to engage in meaningful learning

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and to act toward creating an inclusive environment for all residents.

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Now, therefore I, Scott Werley, mayor of Naperville, do hereby recognize

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Naperville Neighbors United for its unwavering commitment to fostering unity

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and inclusivity and proclaim February 2026 as Black History Month in the City of Naperville.

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And I encourage all residents to participate in this celebration to learn about Black History

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and Culture and to contribute to building a community that values and uplifts diversity.

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Good evening.

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My name is Sean Rule and I'm a senior at Wabonzi Valley High School.

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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share what Black History Month means to me.

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Black History Month is more than a time to revisit historical moments or recognize well-known figures.

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To me, it represents a chance to acknowledge the depth and impact of Black contributors

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that have helped shape this country and continue to influence it today.

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Many of these contributors were made in times where recognition was very limited.

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Yet their effects remain present in our culture and everyday lives.

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Black History Month also highlights the importance of understanding history as a shared experience.

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Black history is not separate from American history is an essential part of it.

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From advancements in art and music to leadership and science, education, sports, and social

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progress, Black individuals have put a crucial role in shaping the world around us.

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Recognizing these contributors allows us to gain a more complete and accurate understanding

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of our collective past.

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Black history month also encourages reflection.

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It challenges us to look beyond what we already know and to engage with perspectives that may have not always been centered.

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Through learning and discussion, we are reminded that progress is built over time and that awareness is a key step toward understanding and respect.

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For me, Black History Month represents recognition, reflection, and continued learning.

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It is meaningful, it is a meaningful opportunity, is an meaningful opportunity to honor the past while thoughtfully engaging with the present.

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Thank you for your time.

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Have a good night.

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Black history is American history.

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That is a fact.

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It is not separate.

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It is not supplemental.

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And it is foundational to who we are as a nation.

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Black history tells the story of perseverance

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and the face of injustice.

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Leadership forged through adversity and progress

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driven by faith and courage.

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It reflects both the challenges that were faced

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in the growth that followed.

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This February marks the 100-year anniversary of Black History Month, a moment to reflect

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and to reminder that celebrating and uplifting these stories remain important today.

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I'd like to take a moment to share one of these stories and recognize someone who is here

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with us this evening, Naperville, resident, Lewis Freeman.

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Mr. Freeman.

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Mr. Freeman spent 36 years with Southwest Airlines becoming the first black pilot in 1980.

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And in 1992, he became the first black chief pilot of any airline.

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And to be clear, Mr. Freeman wasn't chosen because he was black.

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He was chosen because he was the best.

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I've been grateful to hear his story shared.

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And one moment that always stands out to me is when he was selected to fly Rosa Parks,

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a pioneer of the civil rights movement to her final resting place.

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A reflection of the respect he earned through excellence and leadership.

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At a time when history and lived experiences are being questioned or overlooked,

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moments like these remind us my black history matters.

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And why these stories must continue to be shared and remembered, we cannot go

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backward only forward. The story of America is still being written. What will the

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chapters ahead say about who we choose to be? Thank you.

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Mr. Schatz, we have one speaker signed up for comment on. Yes, we have one speaker signed up, Regina

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Brent.

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Good evening, everyone.

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I just want to bring you a little black history note for this month.

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From the African Methodist Episcopal Church, a statement on the removal of exhibits at the

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president's house site. And this is being read tonight because I want to let Mayor Whirlie know

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that we appreciate his courage and his continued support and that we appreciate

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Benny and the rest of the council for all of their courage and loyalty to continue to recognize

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African-American contributions that we've given to not only

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Naperville but DuPage County as a whole. On Thursday, January 22, the

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exhibit, the dirty business of slavery related interpretive panels were

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removed from the president's house, cited Independence National Park in Philadelphia

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Pennsylvania. We write to express our profound sorrow, righteous anger and deep

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alarm that this assault on the history of the United States and on the history of Christianity in

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this land. This act does not restore truth, but attempts to sanitize it, precisely targeting

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those narratives that name slavery, white supremacy and black resistance as central to American

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story. As formerly enslaved persons, Bishop Allen and Father Jones organized a free African society

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and 1780 for economic, spiritual, and social support.

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The true insanity is the belief that tearing down signs

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can alter the truth of this nation's tortured past

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or erase the fact that many of the so-called founding fathers

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held human beings in bondage while proclaiming liberty.

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Removing these panels does not heal our division.

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It deepens unheal wounds,

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obscures the sin of slavery and it is ongoing legacy.

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We name the pain and outrage these actions caused to people of Philadelphia and to the

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communities across the country.

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Bishop Allen said before his death that the lamp which we have watered with our tears

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and our blood is now our mother country and we are well satisfied to stay where wisdom

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abounds and the gospel is free.

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a testimony that indicts any effort to make freedom's story smaller, wider or less truthful.

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And so, Mayor Whirly, while these things are painful to our community, you have healed

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our hearts tonight.

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We're presenting us with such a proclamation.

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We thank you.

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God bless you.

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Next I will present the proclamation for 203-day, Superintendent Bridges and students.

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and I think we've got some of the mayor's office interns.

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Please join me at the front dies or at the front podium.

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Well, if you haven't figured it out, today's February 3rd,

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203 day.

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That's the superintendent bridges of district 203.

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And then we have three of our mayor's office interns

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with us here today who are serving from different high schools

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to accompany him for this presentation in the proclamation.

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And it reads,

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Naperville Community Unit School District 203-203-D,

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whereas February 3rd, 2026 marks the celebration of 203-D

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for the Naperville 203 community.

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And whereas Naperville Community Unit School District 203 seeks to honor the achievements

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and the contributions of its students, staff, and community on February 3rd, 203.

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as a time to reflect on and celebrate collective success.

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And whereas this special day is dedicated to gratitude,

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giving and celebrating the teachers, the staff, the students, parents,

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volunteers, schools, community members, businesses, past, present, and future,

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all of those who work together to make Naperville 203 an exemplary school district.

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And whereas students and staff will use the 203-day celebration as an opportunity

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to share in model acts of kindness and service throughout schools and the broader community.

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Strengthening those connections and spreading positivity.

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And whereas Naperville Community Unit School District 203 annually commemorates 203 day

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by engaging the community and empowering students to develop a learner's mindset, demonstrate

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adaptability, communicate effectively, think critically and grow as global citizens.

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And whereas Naperville 203 remains committed to upholding the dignity and uniqueness of every individual fostering responsible citizenship and demonstrating the excellence that has achieved through the collective efforts of students, staff, parents, and the broader community.

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Now, therefore, I, Scott Whirley, mayor of the City of Naperville, who hereby proclaim February 3rd, 2026, as 203-day in the City of Naperville.

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Congratulations.

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Just be very brief.

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First of all, thank you, mayor.

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Thank you, members of the council for this recognition on 203-day.

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Thanks to our all-hon, Rihanna and Abigail for joining me up here this evening.

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In 2022, Naperville 203 celebrated its 50th anniversary as a consolidated unit school district.

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in the city of Naperville, and there's an offshoot of that in collaboration with the

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National Education Foundation.

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We look for ways to be able to thank the community, both local and global, for the support

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of public education, and specifically, Naperville 203 within our community.

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So 203 day is celebrated in the second month, in the third day of every year now, and is dedicated

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to gratitude, kindness, and service across the Naperville 203 community.

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So members of our student body today took a moment throughout the day to pause and express various levels of gratitude

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Whether it be thank yous to bus drivers valentines day cards to service members or other expressions of gratitude for people throughout our global community

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So I appreciate the recognition and support of our district and then as I think about my 14th year here at superintendent in this school district

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I'm grateful for the support of the community throughout. Thank you very much

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Next on the agenda is public forum, I'd like to remind everyone of the citizen participation rules in the city's municipal code for speaking at city council meetings.

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Speakers are asked to present their comments in a respectful and courteous manner.

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Speakers should be on topic, stay on topic, and be cognizant of their words.

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Personal attacks on council members, staff, other speakers, or members of the audience are not allowed.

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If inappropriate language or comments are expressed during this meeting, you will be asked immediately to stop commenting.

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Also, for audience members, there is no cheering and no cheering.

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Actions such as applauding, cheering, booing, or any other noises during or at the conclusion

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of any remarks made by any speaker are not allowed.

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If this occurs, you will be asked to stop immediately.

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And if it continues to persist, I will recess the meeting until the audience abides by the rules in our city code.

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No speakers should ever feel intimidated by the crowd.

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Audience disruption is meant to intimidate those speaking and I will not allow it in this chamber.

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audience members with signs and signs must not block any other audience members view.

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Speakers are given three minutes to address the city council and to help speakers stay within the three minute time frame.

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We have a timer located on the side dius to your right.

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It will give the visual cue when the three minutes are expiring.

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This helps speakers conclude their comments in a timely manner without being cut off.

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The timer will buzz when it hits zero and we will alert the speaker that their time is up.

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If a speaker's name is called and they are not in the room,

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We will move on to the next speaker and we will not go back.

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Speakers are encouraged to remain in the council chambers until the conclusion of public forum in the event council members want to ask follow-up questions.

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And tonight we have lots of speakers for different topics, as well as our public forum at the beginning of the meeting.

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We have this roped-off section right here in the front row.

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Mr. Schatz is going to call groups of speakers, and as those groups are called, we want you to come up to the front row so you're already in set for the podium.

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Mr. Schatz please call the speakers.

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The first two speakers in public form are Tim Faredo and Richard Stark.

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Hello, my name is Tim Faredo. I'm the neighborhood resident.

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I'm here to talk about area missions. There was a live conversation two weeks ago during the city council meeting about area missions.

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And I thought I could add some clarity.

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I worked in the energy industry for 30 years, had it dealt with air emission regulations

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a lot.

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So, in 1990, the amendment to Clean Air Act was enacted to regulate and reduce criteria

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pollutants such as nitrogen oxides, particulate matter and sulfur dioxide, and it was regulated

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to a demand mislevel. That was a whole plan to get to a low level or it doesn't harm the environment.

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This is done for both stationary and mobile sources.

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So with this meant for diesel generators themselves, the EPA created a pathway based on tear levels.

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And that's why I'm showing on this diagram here in the chart.

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The vertical axis is PMs, the horizontal axis is NOx.

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As you can see, as each tier level got more and more, as we went from tier 1 to tier 4 final,

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there was a huge reduction in those emissions.

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So after billions of dollars spent by the industries, they were able to achieve a 98% reduction

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in these pollutants from 1990 levels.

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It's a huge accomplishment, and I think something that's overlooked a lot.

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They did this by reformulating fuel, engine design, adding catalyst systems, and also adding filtration systems.

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So this is not only with generators, but with cars, buses, school buses, trucks, all the modern transportation vehicles have seen a 98% reduction since 1990 levels.

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I want to talk about the diesel generators for the carousel data center.

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I'm not here to resurrect the data center, but when you look at that design, there's 24 diesel

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generators.

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If you do the math, the exercising events that would occur throughout the year will only

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occupy 1.5% of the time if they hit their max 10 hours, only 1.5% of the time.

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So now I'm going to focus on PM 2.5 emissions, because I think it's really shows him how impressive

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these machines are.

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So if you go down to a lower box, you'll see PM 2.5 emissions for a generator is about

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15 grams, for one log fire is about the same, 17, but it gets even more interesting, because

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Because with the diesel generators, they can symbolize error and they put out a live exhaust, which is inert.

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It's nitrogen, steam, and carbon dioxide.

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So the concentration of PMs is very, very long compared to a log fire.

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That's it.

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Thank you.

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The next speakers are Richard Stark.

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followed by Dan Georgievich, followed by Swati Dale.

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Hi, my name is Richard Stark, and I've been a resident of Naperville for six and a half years. Now, all of you know me as the leader of the modeling team, but that's not why I'm here tonight. I'm here tonight in the role of strategy to offer a simple but meaningful recommendation. And my recommendation is that the city council begin in the new business tonight.

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to the process of assigning Brian growth the responsibility of developing a long-term electricity strategy.

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This is the moment to answer the fundamental question, what are we trying to achieve and to establish a framework that will guide

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and they prevail forward towards these objectives.

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to support for Brian in this work, several of us with deep strategy experience have formed a small advisory group.

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My own background includes more than 15 years of developing, implementing, analyzing, and refining strategies as a senior director of strategy and a vice president of corporate development.

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My partner in this, Mike Milano, is a retired Army Major General and retired executive from Target.

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He has significant strategy expertise from his service as Director of Strategy on the joint staff in the Pentagon,

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where he was responsible for developing the U.S. National Military Strategy.

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He is also author of the book, Large and Encharge, which is about leadership.

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We look forward to the City Council providing the strategic guidance needed in this area.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker.

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The next speaker is Dan Jergevik, followed by Swati Dale.

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Good evening, everybody.

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I'll stay well under my three minutes here.

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Dan Jergevik, I'm a lifelong resident, I'm a local home builder, and I'm here.

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Tonight speaking on behalf of Northern Illinois Home Builders Association of which I'm a past

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President and specifically the Housing Advocacy Committee of which I'm a member coming to make

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a few remarks tonight about the consideration of building stretch codes in addition to the recent

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code update cycle that we went through to get on the ICC 2024. I want to let everybody know that the

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Northern Illinois Home Builders Association opposes consideration of the stretch code for a variety of

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reasons, the majority of which have to do with the cost prohibitive nature of any benefit that this code would end up providing.

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A group of my colleagues and I came to a building review board meeting in October, and we're able to listen to a stretch code presentation.

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It was suggested during that presentation that a typical cost increase on a house would be around $3,000.

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My colleagues and I have done actual analysis on real projects with actual energy

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raters and our findings are quite different, tens of thousands of dollars with very negligible

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energy savings and return.

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We hope to introduce the home housing advocacy committee tonight as a resource to both the

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city staff as they continue consideration of the stretch codes.

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We'd like to be a resource to city staff.

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We also seek an audience with City Council members for any meetings or input that we can

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provide to try to give you guys the best information possible as you're making these very important

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decisions for our community and our residents.

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As I stand before you, I can tell you that my experience is a home builder for over 20 years.

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Most recently the thing that we see most is an affordability issue, specifically in our

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community for attaining housing in Naperville.

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The stretch code doesn't do any favors in terms of improving the affordability issue that we already have, and we look forward to being a part of the process going forward for the consideration of this stretch code implementation. Thank you.

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Thank you, next speaker.

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The final speaker in public forum is Swadi Dale.

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Respected Mayor Sir, City Council and community members.

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I, Swadi Dale, a resident of Furnick River for almost four years now, would like to begin.

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By thanking you all for giving me the opportunity to speak today.

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With 20 plus years of experience spanning multiple industries, I'm known to be a global

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marketing strategist and entrepreneur, a business leader, and a lifelong learner.

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But today, it's all about education. As we all know, today,

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203 seeks to honour the achievements and contributions of its students,

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staff, teachers, parents, and community that make 203 and exemplary

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I'd like to share my views around how technology and educators can come together to empower

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learning.

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I understand and fully respect that the district is a-

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I'm also eager to see if performance methodology is going to be considered for this proposed

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stretch code.

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I've heard that only a prescriptive methodology would be allowed.

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So in that case, you're being given an arbitrary set of things to follow without having any

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any actual measurement to see how effectively the house is performing from a building tightness from an energy consumption.

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So we could definitely take that back to the committee.

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Yeah, and I really appreciate that.

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Kind of where I'm going with that is a lot of times in life as an 80, 20 rule.

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And if it's like, hey, you could get 80% of the improvement with much less costs.

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And then that last 20%, maybe there's a couple items in there that are just,

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just really cost prohibitive and aren't delivering much value.

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One of the benefits we have being Naperville is we have such a good professional staff.

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We have professionals in the community who like yourself who can sit down around a table

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and write some of these rules where maybe a smaller community may not have the resources

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to do that.

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I'm just throwing it out there.

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I don't see myself saying like just no carte blanche, I'm not going to do any kind of revision

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of the code.

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but if there's like a reasonable set of changes that could be made that wouldn't

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be as onerous, like I'm very open to that already. I'll just put in that out there.

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Right. I think that's a great suggestion.

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Yep. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Councilwoman Gibson.

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Thank you, Mayor. At the end of last year, Council directed staff to take a look at

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muffler, aftermarket muffler upgrades and window tinting and whether these things

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are being sold in the city and if there was anything in the city can do I know it's been a complaint

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of you know people downtown downtown businesses and it seems like a way we can address the

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root of the problem rather than just counting on our police enforcement and I was wondering if we could

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get an update from yeah. Mr. DeSanto, I'll take that. Sure Mayor, thank you Councilwoman we did

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look into it we determined that the Illinois vehicle code likely already handles this there's a provision

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in the code which says that no person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle

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in a manner that will amplify or increase the noise of such a vehicle and so we've been

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working with the police department to develop strategies and make sure that that is being

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enforced. Similarly, we also identified some provisions in the vehicle code which may

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make it difficult for us to as a city council to modify that provision as it's already in

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the law.

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Okay. Thank you. Sorry just to clarify. So this is something that we couldn't force to prohibit

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the sale. We wouldn't have to put on some new ordinance. It's already correct and be done.

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All right. Thank you.

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Councilman Wilson. Thank you, Mayor. Dan. Sorry. I tried to get you

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to stay ahead a couple more questions. We're

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sending the ably councilman. How close are the

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for him while he comes down.

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I'll just stay up front for the rest of the night here.

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Quick question, so who was the original, originally estimated that it would cost like

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a few thousand dollars for the changes?

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You know Nate, I was looking back at the agenda for the October 15th Building Review Board

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to, there was an organization that made a presentation that day I, you know, the few moments I had to

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get home from work and get ready to income here did not find that but it was a presentation

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that was formally made at the BRB meeting on October 15th.

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Yeah, okay.

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This organization, they're not, didn't seem like they're builders though, I don't believe

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so.

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Yeah, okay.

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And then have you given the increased costs of doing these things, have you run across

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Anyone that will go, hey, I know it will cost more to do this, but I'll tell you what, I'll subsidize the cost. Say if it's, you know, has anyone gone to say, hey, even if it's $20,000, I'll take that out of my pocket, give it to the builder and get these bill. So I personally have not, but you candidly, I'm a very small builder business. I do about 10 homes a year. That's part of the thought process, I suppose, as I would imagine there are certain people that would be happy to make that investment that we've choose to build to this stretch code. And I believe that that is their God-given right now.

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to do so and that's wonderful. I don't think that it should be made mandatory as a building

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code for Naperville or any community for that matter if it doesn't provide any real

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benefit, any real savings or benefit to what it's intending to do. And I think we have the

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data to support that claim.

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But that's mine. I haven't heard from anyone willing to put that out there either, but thanks

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Dan.

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Yeah.

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Anybody else?

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I think you're good.

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No, no, no.

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Oh, he's got one more?

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Councilman McRome.

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You had your chance.

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Thank you for the hook after this.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Just kind of almost same lines as Councilman Wilson just to clarify.

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Anyone that wanted to implement these stretch codes on your custom home builder.

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Yes.

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Anyone that wanted to do this, there's nothing stopping them.

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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It supersedes minimum code compliance.

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And so if somebody chose to put more insulation in their attic walls,

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do advance framing, whatever they wanted to do to be more energy efficient installs solar panels in their home,

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whatever they want to do, I've done a number of solar systems and a number of geothermal systems.

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I have clients that are passionate about certain things and environmental sensibility is certainly high on everybody's priority list.

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I think what you'll find, though, is when you look at the cost versus the savings,

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and if you want to get granular on what's the carbon footprint of a dollar, of $10,000.

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What does it look like when you have a negative rate of return on the investment for

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something and you're having to earn that additional income each year to pay for

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the 30-year mortgage on your home?

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There's environmental impact to all these things.

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I think that the way that we've seen the code updates happen since I've been a professional in the late 1990s,

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till now, is going from like the stone age to the space age.

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We've reached that point of diminishing returns in any suggestion that we can make things better by increasing our value.

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I think we're finally getting that point where there's a negative return on that.

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Okay, perfect.

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And as far as the cost question, I don't know who you heard, that number, the couple thousand, I know where I heard it, we have a task force here and that's at least where I heard it.

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It was two or $3,000 is the cost to increase costs that they would get back in energy savings.

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But you build houses and you disagree with that number.

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Are they close on the number or do you think?

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No, I mean, we presented at the October BRB meeting and

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there were about a half a dozen all local builders, mostly Naperville builders,

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that took homes that they're currently building.

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And had their energy rate or do a real analysis on the things that they would have to do to meet the stretch code and what the associated cost would be and I'm just going down a chart right here was 21,000, 42,000,

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and $31,000, $24,000, $30,000, $39,000.

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And you get down to the end of the spreadsheet

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where you've got your calculated yearly energy savings

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and it's $98, $349, $143, $200, $300, $308.

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So you're talking about tens of thousands of dollars

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up front for annual savings that are $100, $200, $300

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at order of magnitude.

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All right, thanks.

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You're off the hook.

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Okay.

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Any

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other council members for public forum?

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Okay, our next item is the consent agenda.

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We have a motion to use the omnibus method to approve the consent agenda.

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Councilman White.

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Mayor moved to use the omnibus method to approve the consent agenda.

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Councilman Kelly.

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Second.

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We have a motion in a second to use the omnibus method to approve the consent agenda.

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All those in favor sign eye?

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Opposed?

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Motion passes.

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9-0.

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We have a motion to approve the consent agenda.

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Councilman White.

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A move to approve the consent agenda removing item I 11.

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Mr. Kelly?

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Second Kelly.

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All right.

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We have a motion.

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A second.

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Mr. Schatz, please read the consent agenda removing I 11.

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A position of support on I 12 was submitted and posted to the city website.

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Approval of the January 20th, 2026 regular city council meeting minutes.

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Approval of the city council meeting schedule for February, March and April, 2026.

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approval of the award of change or number two to option your number two of the

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contract for consulting engineering services for soils and material

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testing to national soil testing for an amount not to exceed $144,776.31

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approval of the award of change or number two to the contractor fire engine

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replacement and maintenance agreement to McQueen equipment LLC for an

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amount not to exceed $20,000 approval of the award of the option of change

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number one to the work order for 248 Avenue face to engineering to

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civil tech engineering for about not to exceed 74,239 and 74 cents approval

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of the award of change or number one to the contract for fairway and

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country lakes water main improvements to blue water construction LLC for

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an amount not to exceed 117,422 dollars and 19 cents and for 61 additional days

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approval of the award of change or number one to the work order for

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construction engineering services, fairway and country lakes water main

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improvements to Crawford Murphy and Tilly for about not to exceed $11,600

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for an additional 242 calendar days. Proof of the award of change

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during number one to the contract for 2025. Southeast Waterworks

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Generator replacement to William T. Connolly, DBA Connolly Electric

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for an additional 99 days. Proof of the award of change during number

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one to the contract for Northwest Waterworks improvements phase two to

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day mechanical industries for an additional one hundred and twenty four days.

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Approval and appointment to the transportation advisory board.

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Waving the first reading and passing the ordinance amending section two dash sixteen

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dash two of the neighborhood municipal code to add a non voting member of the

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accessible community task force to the advisory commission on disabilities and

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waving the first reading and passing the ordinance amending section one dash nine

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dash G the neighborhood municipal code regarding the nine one one system search

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charge. We have a motion in a second on the consent agenda removing I 11 roll call.

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Worley. Yes. Gibson. Aye. Holds our. Aye. Jane. Aye. Kelly. Aye. Miproon. Aye. Sian. Aye.

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White. Aye. Wilson. Aye. Aye. Aye 11. Item I 11 is a recommendation to conduct the first reading

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of an ordinance amending chapter one building codes of Title V building regulations of the

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and Naperville Municipal Code adopting the 2024

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International Code Council set of codes,

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including proposed local amendments.

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There are two speakers, court airheart and Chad Mies.

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Good evening, my name is court airheart.

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President of airheart construction,

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I'm a second generation home builder.

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I'm an SOB, a son of a builder.

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This is our 60 second year building homes

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throughout Naperville and greater DuPage in Cain County.

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I also happen to be a past president

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I'm Northern Illinois Home Builders Association and I'm the current chairman of the Housing Advocacy Committee and we represent over 250 building professionals and we're involved in well over 1.1 billion dollars in residential home construction and remodeling.

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I know the building code adoption is tonight first read but I wanted to bring up the energy stretch code that Dan also talked about earlier.

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I do want to say one thing, the current energy code is extremely stringent, it's extremely

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solid, it is extremely energy efficient, homes built today under the current code are 50%

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more efficient than homes that were built in 1975. And this is from the Department of Energy

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Website. I think there's a little confusion regarding the cost to meet the energy stretch

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and Stan mentioned, we had a number of builders who actually bid out a existing home that they built.

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We built our Oakfield model, which is a 9,1,915 square foot ranch, two bedroom full basement.

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Met with our energy raider to review the stretch code.

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Under the prescriptive message, we would need to make insulation changes, we would need to make framing method changes.

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We need to add frame and materials, our exterior cladding would increase due to taller structures to meet attic insulation requirements.

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We would have electric enhancements in preparation for future changes.

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The cost for these changes, I was the low man that Dan was talking about, I was $21,612.86.

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This is an increase of $11.29 per foot.

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This is a price increase on the house of over 5%.

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The annual energy saving in dollars for that is $98.

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This is a low return for the significant investment and simply not warranted.

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It's a classic case of diminishing returns.

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We already build extremely energy efficient homes and

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that's why this kind of cost does not add return.

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Stretch code is an option under the current code.

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somebody can build that if they want to, and they certainly can, it should not be the energy code for

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Naperville. Please do not implement the energy stretch code. We at Northern Illinois Home Builder's

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Association and the House and Advocacy Committee would love to be a part of any future discussions

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with staff and implementation. We have four other builders who've actually priced out the stretch

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code and the cost. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Next speaker.

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The second and final speaker on this item is Chad Mies.

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Yeah, I'm going to just call Dan up and haven't speak for me when I might as well.

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My name is Chad Mies, I'm a lifelong Naperville resident and business owner in Naperville.

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I own Red Star construction and we've been building in Naperville for over 20 years.

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I'm also the vice president of the Northern Illinois Home Builder Association and

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a member of the Housing Advocacy Committee.

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I'm a certified graduate builder and remodeler through the National Home Builder Association.

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And I'm here tonight to speak on the concerns about the conversations and cost concerning the adoption of Illinois stretch code.

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First, I want to make it clear, like my colleagues, we support energy efficiency.

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Everyone wants lower utility bills, better buildings, affordable housing, responsible construction, which we feel we do already.

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Nihba and housing advocacy committee are here as a resource for

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Naperville, the building review board, the council, and anybody that would like to be

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educated and we can provide support in that.

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With that said, the reality of the stretch code is that it does increase up front cost of

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building.

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It adds requirements that often mean higher price materials, as my colleagues have spoken to.

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to more expensive mechanical systems, additional design, testing, paperwork.

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Those costs don't disappear, they get passed on to the taxpayers, the homeowners,

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the renters, and the small business owners in our community.

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At a time when affordability is already a major concern, the stretch code will make it harder to build remodeled affordable housing.

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Some developments that are barely feasible today won't move forward at all.

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That means fewer new homes, fewer improvements to existing homes and higher prices for everyone.

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It also adds complexity for contractors, local plan reviewers and inspectors.

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Does Naperville have the staffing, training, and resources to enforce these requirements consistently?

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The building community already deals with additional cost, permit delays, and

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confusion within the local building departments resulting in costly redesigns and change orders.

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My colleagues have been meeting with the building department on those issues.

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This has a huge impact on our residences, the small builders and local businesses like mine who can't absorb those impacts.

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Another concern is that the payback isn't guaranteed.

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What is guaranteed are higher costs for all.

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The models assume perfect conditions, but real world performance varies.

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What we do know is that costs are immediate and

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certain while savings can take years, more years, the most families will stay in their home.

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many families and business can't afford to take that kind of trade off.

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If the goal is to improve energy efficiency, there are better options.

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incentives, rebates, voluntary programs, and phased improvements that encourage progress.

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Without making housing and construction more expensive overnight.

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So again, I support smart energy solutions, but

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let's protect affordability, keep projects moving, pursue practical improvements that work for

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our community implementation of the Illinois stretch code does not do any of these things.

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Thanks for your time.

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Thank you, Councilman Oliver. Thank you, Mayor.

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You know, just while I was listening to the speakers, I just did a little bit of research on my own

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and, and of course, like I want to sit down and think about this longer, but one thing I noticed

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is the state of Illinois had a national laboratory, so this is a federal agency, it's not an advocacy

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But they had the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory do an analysis on the cost of the stretch code. It's kind of interesting because the cost they came up with was higher than what

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the, I guess the $2,000 number or whatever was cited but also considerably lower than some of the figures that were cited by Dan earlier.

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So I for one would just kind of like to learn more about this and again what the cost benefit of some of these things is.

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Yeah, I mean, on the just looking at this report and again, I'm not a long time to look at it, but it seems to me like some of the lower hanging fruit easier things on here.

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May not be anywhere close to the cost that we're being cited. Maybe some of the more expensive parts of it, you know, the negative return that you're talking about, Dan could absolutely be there. But all that to say, you know, I think it merits a look from an unbiased source. Thank you, Mayor.

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Councilor Wilson.

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:19,460
Thank you, Mayor.

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01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,740
Court had a question for you.

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And, Chad, I guess, too.

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If you guys both want to come back,

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Dan only answered for himself.

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So I guess I'll ask you guys as well,

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given the cost that you presented here,

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Court, for $20,000 of increase.

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Have you come across many people

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that similarly would go,

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hey, I'll subsidize the cost

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and give it over to the builder?

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No.

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No.

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Chad of you?

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No.

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Okay.

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That's interesting.

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01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:05,940
And like you guys said, this would increase the price by forcibly, forcibly enforcing an

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artificial number, I guess you could say, on the market.

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And effectively, would you also agree by doing that, it would bid up other homes that you

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aren't building because you've increased the price that you have to build that?

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Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

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Thank you, guys.

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01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:37,760
Okay. This was the first reading tonight.

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This will come back at our February 17th City Council meeting.

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And it will be an agenda item there.

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So there's no council action to be taken tonight on item I 11.

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01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:55,430
Item J1.

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Item J1 is to conduct the public hearing for the Community Development Black Grant Program.

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from your 2026 annual action plan.

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Public hearing on the Community Development Block Grant Program

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for your 2026 annual action plan is now open.

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Anyone who wishes to speak may come forward.

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Georgia Vicks not coming forward.

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01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:20,180
All right.

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Councilman White may have a motion to close the public hearing.

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01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,000
I move to close the public hearing.

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01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:25,920
Councilman Kelly?

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Second Kelly.

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All those in favor?

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Aye and aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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The public hearing is now closed.

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Item 01 is a recommendation to approve the committee development block grant program year 2026 annual action plan allocating $535,000.

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Councilman White.

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01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:56,320
Mayor moved to approve the community development block grant program year 2026 annual action plan allocating $535,000.

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01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Councilman Kelly?

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:57,800
Second Kelly.

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,760
We have a motion and second.

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01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,100
I'm on one roll call Gibson. I

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I call sour. I Jane I Kelly I

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I make room I say it I wait I will

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send I worry yes item

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O2 item O2 is

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recommendation to consider whether to

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direct staff to discontinue for the

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time being negotiations for a

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successor power sales agreement with

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the Illinois municipal electric agency

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01:03:29,030 --> 01:03:34,350
the IMEA. To the website, we were at what has been posted to the website was 36 positions

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01:03:34,350 --> 01:03:40,730
of support, two positions of opposition, and 17 written comments. We have 25 speakers

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on this item.

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All right. Before we start on 02, we do have a lot of public speakers tonight and I just

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want to go through a few reminders before we start the public speakers. I want to remind

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everybody that the citizen participation rules that I read at the beginning of the meeting

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the bill.

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If the participation rules are

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violated you will be asked to stop

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01:04:05,890 --> 01:04:07,090
immediately and if it continues

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to persist I will recess the

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meeting and tell the

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audience abides the rules in the

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city code.

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If you have signs, the signs

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must not block any other

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audience members view.

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I recommend you hold them

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01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:21,210
Beneath your chin so you can see and the person behind you can see

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Each speaker will get three minutes and Mrs. Shots will call the speakers and groups of four when your names called

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01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:33,310
Please come have a seat in the front row so we can eliminate any delays and if a speaker's name is called

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01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:39,050
They're not in the room. We will move on to the next speaker. We will not go back the timer again is in play

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That will be over on the the right Dias or the side Dias to your right

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It will buzz when it hits zero and we will alert the speaker that their time is up

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Let's begin with the first four.

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The first four speakers and item O2 are Michael Lapinski,

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Catherine Clarkin, Steve Kushman and John Desmond Doyle.

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01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:11,480
Hi, I'm Michael Lapinski.

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01:05:13,580 --> 01:05:16,480
Good evening to the mayor and council members.

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01:05:17,620 --> 01:05:21,380
What do citizens expect from their city council?

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Number one loyalty to its people, now and in the future.

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01:05:26,340 --> 01:05:35,480
Number two, understand citizens household profiles, such as earnings, cost pressures, unrelenting

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01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,460
taxes, utility services, et cetera.

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01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:46,540
Number three, as it is, there is mounting pressure on many Napervo families to meet

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their monthly expenses.

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This is led to using charitable organizations to supplement food requirements and more.

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This likely contributes to why loaves and fishes, people's resource center and other organizations are expanding to meet increasing demand.

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01:06:07,660 --> 01:06:15,620
Number four, compassion for your fellow man and women to accept that everyone has a place at the table in Naperville.

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01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:22,820
Number five, don't reject making the tough decision because of politics

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01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:29,160
or the short-term feel-good choice that could greatly impact our future energy costs.

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Number six, listen to concerned citizens, PUAV, consultants, and industry expert input

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01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:44,000
when examining difficult supply contract decisions.

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,460
Number seven, the difficult decision for city council is to choose status quo.

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that has a proven supply track record and stable cost to minimize cost impact on citizens.

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01:06:59,780 --> 01:07:09,060
We expect your sensibility over a short-term feel good vote, that has a long-term cost burden to rate payers in each of you.

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01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:11,000
Number 8.

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The way forward with stable prices, stable supply, reduced infrastructure, complexity,

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and renewable supply capability is with IMEA.

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01:07:25,140 --> 01:07:33,680
Number nine, this is your time to step up and cast your vote for the citizens you represent

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,540
and approve the new IMEA contract.

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:38,840
Thank you.

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01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:41,650
Thank you, next speaker.

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01:07:42,010 --> 01:07:43,590
The next speaker is Catherine Clarkin.

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01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:47,260
Good evening.

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01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:52,840
I'm Kathy Clarkin, a Naperville resident of 16 years and an environmental scientist.

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:59,540
As you prepare for the IMEA vote, I'd like you to imagine a future in which Naperville

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01:07:59,540 --> 01:08:06,680
has stable low-cost electricity, insulated from the volatility of capacity pricing and

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01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:13,180
rising cost of transmission. A city where people want to move because well-designed homes

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01:08:13,180 --> 01:08:19,980
are cheap to heat and cool. Imagine parking at the grocery store on a snowy

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day, and not having to clear your windshield because you're under a solar array. Picture getting

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01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:34,500
paid to have your electric vehicle discharge back to the grid when peak demand is high. You

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could even have a choice in where your electricity comes from. This future is already happening

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01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:49,100
in cities around the country and around the world. Solar and wind energy are inexhaustible,

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and batteries allow that energy deployment 24-7.

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01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,520
These clean energy technologies

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are already cheaper than fossil fuels

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01:08:59,140 --> 01:09:01,620
and create significantly less health

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and environmental impact.

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They also offer job opportunities

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that a fossil fuel plant doesn't.

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Job opportunities right here in Naperville.

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Because Naperville is already our own electric utility,

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We are perfectly positioned to take advantage of these opportunities from virtual power plants to local generation and storage to time of use rates to efficiency and electrification incentives.

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01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:43,080
NAPERville can exert local control and chart our own path, meaning our electricity needs

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affordably and aligned with our community values.

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Life without IMEA is not scary, it's not risky.

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These opportunities are exciting.

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Let's do this.

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Thank you, next speaker.

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The next four speakers are Steve Kishman, John Desmond Doyle, Patrick Hughes, and

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and she gel core.

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Good evening, my name is Steve Kushman.

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I'm a 38-year resident of Naperville.

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01:10:13,340 --> 01:10:16,080
I'm here to recommend that the city renew the IMEA.

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01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,160
I'm going to use IMEA.

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01:10:17,540 --> 01:10:19,400
The IMEA contract extension.

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,620
I recently read a letter that all of the council received.

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01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:26,060
I understand in January 2026 from the IMEA president

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01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:28,660
to the city council and was impressed with the work

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01:10:28,660 --> 01:10:31,040
that IMEA has done in the 15 years

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01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,320
they've been our energy supplier.

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01:10:32,860 --> 01:10:35,100
I was also surprised that apparently IMEA

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01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:40,580
has not been invited to an open public meeting to directly answer questions about the proposed

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01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:46,120
contract extension. I recommend that the council provide such an invitation to IMEA and

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01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:50,760
help gather relevant information in a public transparent manner. Reading the IMEA letter

689
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,880
provides a historical perspective about past council goals such as delivering stable reliable

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:01,940
power supply with a financial hedge. Naperville is currently in an enviable position because

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01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:02,820
of that foresight.

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01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:08,460
Not only has IMEA provided affordable, reliable and sustainable power, they're also helping

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01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:13,680
its members navigate the transition to cleaner power in a responsible and I repeat responsible

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,140
manner.

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01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:19,020
We've got to be careful not to let the changes to our electric supply get ahead of what

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01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:21,780
the capabilities of current capabilities of technology.

697
01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:28,640
IMEA is committed though to a net zero future by 2050 and also is well positioned to help

698
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,460
plus navigate through the current and near-term expected volatility in the energy markets.

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,760
Naperville is frequently cited as one of the best places to live in the nation.

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01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:44,520
Manufacturers go into that, but a very important factor is affordable, predictable energy supply with trusted partners.

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01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:50,840
Failure to renew the contract places a significant risk to all 150,000 Naperville residents.

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01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:55,320
As well as future Naperville citizens, it also puts business partners at risk.

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01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:01,700
as they rely on reliable, affordable energy supply when deciding to where to locate.

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,440
We have a wonderful reputation.

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01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:05,080
Reputations get built in decades.

706
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:07,860
They can be destroyed pretty quick with wrong decisions.

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,080
I would also remind the council that about 25% of Naperville households live in households

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01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:18,880
of income of $75,000, excuse me, dollars or less, and we'll find it much more difficult

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,740
to pay for what could be skyrocketing future energy bills.

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01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:31,280
We in Naperville had benefited from a positive legacy of that pass city council, and we should not squander that opportunity to continue with the trusted partner.

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01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:47,580
One final thought, I just received my most recent January 2026 electric bill, and I noted in there in this Naperville connected newsletter that our average electric bill in Naperville is 16% lower than ComEd's average bill.

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01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:51,760
Thank you, IMEA, for all your work and continuing work over the 15 years.

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,100
And thank you to that past council and thank you to this council for your time and attention.

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01:13:00,510 --> 01:13:01,310
Thank you, next speaker.

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01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:03,570
The next speaker is John Desmond Doyle.

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01:13:05,290 --> 01:13:07,710
Good evening, Mr. Mayor and council, thank you for having me.

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01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:14,230
My name is John Doyle, long time resident, and for the past decade or so, I have been working for an environmental solutions company.

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01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:16,050
And prior to that, I was in recycling.

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01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:22,390
And in my experience, the entire debate on sustainability and green energy, I mean, it really comes

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01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:26,770
down to cost, right? That's what this is about. Because you don't really meet people who

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01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:31,430
are pro-pollution. I don't think anybody behind me is going to come up and say, can't wait

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01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:37,170
to smell some smog again, right? That's not what we're debating here. What we're debating

723
01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:43,530
is the cost. And, you know, I'm of the opinion that if we have the means to do something,

724
01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:45,010
and we have an obligation to do it.

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01:13:46,050 --> 01:13:48,130
And one thing that we all in this room can agree with

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01:13:48,130 --> 01:13:51,210
is Naperville's never been described as being without means.

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01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:54,730
And it's frustrating to me

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01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:56,110
that we're still having this conversation

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01:13:56,110 --> 01:13:59,490
because I thought that it was pretty obvious

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01:13:59,490 --> 01:14:00,670
after last year's election

731
01:14:00,670 --> 01:14:02,270
that I'm not alone in that opinion.

732
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:05,970
This was the number one issue going into the election.

733
01:14:06,670 --> 01:14:08,110
Hands down, it was the first question

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01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:09,190
that Naperville's son asked.

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01:14:09,730 --> 01:14:10,930
And they were plain blank.

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01:14:10,930 --> 01:14:17,370
like they said, what's the priority, affordability or sustainability, and I would like to remind

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01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:19,510
the council of some of the answers provided to that question.

738
01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:26,770
The city should issue a comprehensive RFP that clearly defines our priorities, sustainability,

739
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:32,370
reliability, cost effectiveness, sustainable first, cost glass.

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01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:38,570
Another answer, the city council must ensure that our future energy contract does not exchange

741
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:41,170
in short-term cost savings for long-term problems.

742
01:14:42,430 --> 01:14:45,310
Those answers came from members White and Gibson,

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01:14:45,670 --> 01:14:48,610
who received the most votes and second amount of most votes.

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01:14:49,570 --> 01:14:51,110
On the other side of the issue,

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01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:55,230
we had answers like, we had answers like,

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01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:58,070
we need to adopt a reliable, cost-effective,

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01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:59,710
clean strategy.

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01:14:59,710 --> 01:14:59,750
you

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:27,440
We're putting costs above clean. And another, quite bluntly said, our energy strategy must prioritize affordability. The two gentlemen that gave those answers came in last and second to last. The results were not even close. You asked us, you told us, you said, if we vote for you, you will get us a greener contract, even if it costs more. And we voted for you. It was a landslide. The city spoke.

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01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:31,180
I don't understand why we're still having this conversation.

751
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:37,520
So that's why I'm here asking that not only do we suspend negotiations, we go ahead

752
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,900
and formally let them know that we will be severing our relationship at the other contract.

753
01:15:43,220 --> 01:15:45,800
The city spoke loud and clear last April.

754
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:52,340
We want a greener option than what IMEA has to offer and their red lines and the response

755
01:15:52,340 --> 01:15:57,240
from our counter-proposal show clearly that they're never going to need us in the middle.

756
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:04,060
Let's stop wasting everybody's time, cut our ties, and so all 32 communities can start

757
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:09,990
making plans for 2035 and beyond. Thank you. Thank you, next speaker.

758
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:15,230
The next speaker is our Patrick Hughes, C. Gilgore, Joseph Hus, and Teresa Hus.

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01:16:18,620 --> 01:16:22,060
Good evening, Mayor, Council members and fellow residents. My name is Pat Hughes.

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:25,300
I've lived

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01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:36,640
is a member of a affordable neighbor bill, where a group of concerned citizens and not IMEA employees were dedicated to holding our government accountable for delivering affordable, reliable energy that allows families to thrive.

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:45,480
Last September I learned that the Council might be considering walking away from our 24-year bond investments with IMEA.

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01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:53,120
By 2035, when our current contract ends, neighborhood ratepayers will have paid roughly $700 million towards that bond.

764
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:58,680
At that point, just as the debt is paid off and we find the only assets that free, we abandoned them.

765
01:16:59,180 --> 01:17:03,000
This is just like paying off your home mortgage and they're walking away from the house.

766
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:07,400
It simply makes no sense and especially now.

767
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:13,820
Current headlines more to increasing stress on the grid and price spikes as demand surges from things like data centers,

768
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,040
electric vehicles and just economic growth.

769
01:17:18,260 --> 01:17:21,080
Recent laws are also reducing reliable energy supply.

770
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,000
Thanks, Siege. Should prediction become reality, the resulting price

771
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,400
I will act like a regressive tax hitting the neediest families first and hardest.

772
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,160
For them, this could force impossible choices between keeping the lights on,

773
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,200
buying groceries, filling prescriptions, and heating their homes in the winter.

774
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:41,800
I respectfully urge the council to approve the proposed 20-year extension with IMIA.

775
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,640
They are requesting this now so they can plan and build the infrastructure will need for decades ahead.

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01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:52,220
If you don't move forward on the request, or put it on the back burner, the most likely

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01:17:52,220 --> 01:17:56,960
outcome is that Emil will find other partners eager to take out our seat at the table and

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01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,900
benefit from the $700 million of paid off assets that Naperville leaves behind.

779
01:18:01,900 --> 01:18:05,180
Emil has delivered steady low-cost power since 2011.

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01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:11,400
Even with bonds across included, Naperville's rates remain 20% to 30% below Com ads, leaving

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01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,520
all of us with a little bit more money in our pockets.

782
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,680
now some may believe demand will ease and renewables like wind and solar will

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01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,360
fully meet our needs at lower cost. However, evidence shows significant

784
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,660
challenges in scaling clean energy quickly enough with reliable base load

785
01:18:25,660 --> 01:18:30,200
support like the kind I may have revised. If Nest or others claim cheaper alternatives

786
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,780
exist, I ask the council for full transparency. Release the market analysis,

787
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:37,900
modeling results, and data so the public can see the facts.

788
01:18:42,460 --> 01:18:43,720
Approving the IMEA extension

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:44,800
safeguards that are for our

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01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,200
families and our

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01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:46,760
economy.

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01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,260
We'll never have any

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01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:52,220
If you haven't done so

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01:18:52,220 --> 01:18:53,660
already, I respectfully ask

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01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:54,900
you to bring IMEA to the

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01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:56,920
work shop to discuss details and

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01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,700
address any questions and

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01:18:58,700 --> 01:18:59,060
concerns.

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01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,280
Thank you for your careful

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01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,140
consideration, and

801
01:19:02,140 --> 01:19:03,180
concern for the residents

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01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:08,060
of

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01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:10,780
The next speaker is Siegel Gore, followed by Joseph Huss.

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01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:14,680
Next speaker.

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01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:21,300
The next speakers are Joseph Huss, Theresa Huss, Larry College, and Al Carvellis.

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01:19:38,420 --> 01:19:44,540
I'm Joe Huss, I've been a neighbor of the whole resident for over 25 years and I'm a next volunteer.

807
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:54,440
Sign in a contract nine years before it starts without any competitive quotes for an extension that lasts till 2055

808
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,860
with no way to exit is unprecedented.

809
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,120
The consultants, the city hired,

810
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,120
said they had never heard of anyone doing anything similar.

811
01:20:04,060 --> 01:20:07,140
My day job involves reviewing dozens of business cases

812
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:10,700
each year and I've never seen a contract this large

813
01:20:10,700 --> 01:20:13,260
with so little supporting financial evidence.

814
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,980
IME's current performance would have to be remarkable

815
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,520
to take this unprecedented action,

816
01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:23,220
but instead IME's costs are higher than the market

817
01:20:23,220 --> 01:20:29,820
and IMAs plant generates more air pollution than any other plant in the state.

818
01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:35,480
Since IMAs offer two years ago, we've focused on a single option.

819
01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:41,660
It's time to follow a standard procurement process by putting the contract out for competitive bids

820
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:46,580
on a schedule that works best for the residents of Naperville rather than IMAA.

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01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:52,820
So I would not support just bringing in IMAs the only option to have them speak

822
01:20:52,820 --> 01:20:53,360
to Council.

823
01:20:56,380 --> 01:21:03,140
There are three reasons why NESS opposes IMEA extension. The first is IMEA

824
01:21:03,140 --> 01:21:08,460
has been and continues to be more expensive than the alternatives. Second, we lose flexibility

825
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:15,740
and control for the next 30 years. No other option takes away our energy autonomy like IMEA.

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01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:23,080
Third, we continue to pay IMEA to burn millions of tons of coal to generate electricity.

827
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:28,340
There are three facts that we'll talk about in our presentation.

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01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:35,220
The first is that IMAA charges about $90 megawatt hour, not the $35 that you might have seen.

829
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:43,360
IMAA consistently costs more than the alternatives, and IMAA consistently pollutes more than the alternatives.

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01:21:44,180 --> 01:21:53,960
In 2025, IMAA charges just under $90 megawatt hour, you can easily see this data from the city's electricity bills.

831
01:21:53,960 --> 01:22:00,080
In 2026, IMEA will be even more expensive as they announced a transmission rate increase

832
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,700
of 12% on January 1st of this year.

833
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:09,820
Not only are they not heading toward $35 per megawatt hour, but IME bills are going up.

834
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:15,660
The top left shows that over the past five years it's been over a 12% annual increase

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01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:18,000
on average in transmission costs.

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01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,500
The lower right is what IMEA gave us, and they're even saying that the costs are increasing.

837
01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:32,700
So if people reference $35 a megawatt, please share our bills and let them know that that's just a small part of the actual cost.

838
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:33,540
Thank you.

839
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:36,430
Thank you, next speaker.

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01:22:36,690 --> 01:22:39,510
The next speaker is Theresa Huss, followed by Larry Colis.

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01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:45,520
I'm Theresa Huss, also a long time neighborful resident in S volunteer.

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01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:55,260
I'm talking about the second concern we have, which is the IMEA cost, and the city has provided helpful information to support our analysis.

843
01:22:55,900 --> 01:23:05,280
On the left is the latest manager's memo, which used PGM's Naperville node price to explain to residents how electricity is priced here in Naperville.

844
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:11,180
Nest used the same Naperville node price that was in the manager's memo to create our analysis.

845
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:41,990
We have a 22-minute video that explains the formula so you can replicate and check our numbers, and to be clear, because this has been misrepresented, this chart isn't meant to propose a future plan.

846
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:47,910
One, its purpose is to show the premium that Naperville has been paying under IMEA.

847
01:23:48,290 --> 01:23:59,070
In every one of the 12 years for which we have data, Naperville's costs have been higher under IMEA than the market alternatives for the exact same product.

848
01:23:59,590 --> 01:24:01,890
So that leads me to have two questions.

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01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:08,250
Are we getting value for the millions of extra dollars we're spending each year with IMEA?

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01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:13,730
and have we fully explored the many other options that are available to us.

851
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:22,050
Our hope is that neighborhood develops a real energy strategy and ultimately an RFP built around neighborhood needs.

852
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:27,470
So the city can understand the true financial cost of staying with IMEA and

853
01:24:27,470 --> 01:24:31,130
how it compares to the full range of market alternatives.

854
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:37,270
And if you don't like Ness' costs analysis, you don't want to try and replicate our data.

855
01:24:38,170 --> 01:24:40,350
We have two more independent analyses.

856
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:45,590
The Chicago Tribune has written extensively about IMEA's high costs.

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01:24:45,730 --> 01:24:47,270
You can see one of those up on the left.

858
01:24:47,950 --> 01:24:53,990
And on the right is an analysis from CJT Energy Law, a city contractor hired to provide insights

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01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:55,450
into the electricity market.

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01:24:55,450 --> 01:25:03,110
At the July Energy Workshop, they said that IMEA was more expensive than the ComEd proxy wholesale power benchmark.

861
01:25:03,790 --> 01:25:07,210
So we've got three sources of information, three different benchmark.

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01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:11,870
IMEA has been more expensive and there's no reason to think that's going to change.

863
01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:15,710
We are also concerned about residents' bills.

864
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:24,290
That's the reason we recommend exploring all the alternatives to find a sustainable and affordable option.

865
01:25:25,230 --> 01:25:26,110
Thank you.

866
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,220
Thank you, next speaker.

867
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,280
The next speakers are Larry Colash,

868
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:34,740
Al Carvellas, Tim Faredo, followed by Rich Darnal.

869
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:38,260
One

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01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:42,920
of these.

871
01:25:52,450 --> 01:25:52,810
Thank you.

872
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:55,850
Hello, my name is Larry Colash.

873
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:58,930
I'm a Naperville resident of 30 years.

874
01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:02,390
And I'm also a volunteer with nest.

875
01:26:04,290 --> 01:26:09,410
Please let me allow you to remind you that in addition to

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01:26:09,410 --> 01:26:14,290
I may be in more expensive, it is also a huge polluter.

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01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:18,190
The information I'll present is referenced

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01:26:18,190 --> 01:26:19,230
on these websites.

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01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:28,760
I may's coal plant is Illinois's largest source

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01:26:29,290 --> 01:26:30,500
of air pollution.

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01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,820
It's the largest emitter of carbon dioxide

882
01:26:33,820 --> 01:26:40,040
with over 12 million tons of CO2 emitted each year.

883
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:49,760
This leads to climate change, which means more frequent intense heat waves, polar vortexes and hurricanes.

884
01:26:51,360 --> 01:27:09,040
It's also the largest submitter of methane, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, that result in acid rain and caused severe respiratory issues such as asthma, lung disease, heart attacks and premature deaths.

885
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,080
How

886
01:27:12,710 --> 01:27:20,970
does IMA create so much air pollution because 86% of the electricity IMA generates

887
01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:24,590
is from coal, the dirtiest of fuels.

888
01:27:25,930 --> 01:27:32,810
According to the city greenhouse gas inventory report that with IMA is our vendor, Naperville

889
01:27:32,810 --> 01:27:39,630
is responsible for 3.5 billion pounds of air pollution annually.

890
01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:50,330
Even though IMAA has a presentation on reducing pollution, the contract does not include any commitments to that plan.

891
01:27:52,030 --> 01:28:05,890
IMAA's member-directed resource or MDR option doesn't reduce our emissions since the contract first requires us to buy all of our electricity from IMAA resources.

892
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:14,350
and consider that if, you know, if a fewer communities sign up for the polluting plants, they will eventually retire.

893
01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:30,290
In summary, we advise the city to stop negotiating with IMEA. IMEA contract does not serve the Naperville's interest due to its high costs and pollution.

894
01:28:31,470 --> 01:28:40,270
Instead, Naperville should develop a clear long-term energy strategy and follow our procurement

895
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:43,910
process to solicit competitive bids.

896
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:46,190
It's time to move forward.

897
01:28:47,210 --> 01:28:50,030
Naperville has so many other strong alternatives.

898
01:28:50,490 --> 01:28:53,870
Thank you and I appreciate the effort everyone's put in over the last two years.

899
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:57,540
Thank you, next speaker.

900
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,660
The next speaker is Al Carvella, followed by Tim Faredo.

901
01:29:00,660 --> 01:29:01,580
Good

902
01:29:07,060 --> 01:29:13,460
evening. My name is Albert Carvilles. I have worked and lived in Aprilville for

903
01:29:13,670 --> 01:29:24,780
over 35 years. The IMEA extension locks Naperville into a 30-year one-sided contract with

904
01:29:24,780 --> 01:29:33,360
a coal-centric agency. This creates a unique risk. Under the contract, Naperville is limited

905
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:40,880
to a one-thirty-second vote voice in IMEA voting, except in unique circumstances,

906
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:50,980
and even then, Naperville never has a controlling vote. This contract features greatly diminishes

907
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:59,980
Naperville's ability to influence any proposed large expenditures, every bond obligation, and

908
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,160
And any decarbonization avoidance or delay. Moreover, the proposed contract imposes no quantitative

909
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:17,900
metrics, performance metrics on IMEA, thereby pushing even more risk on to day prevail.

910
01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:26,760
These contract features, combined with IMEA's historical lack of transparency, are bound

911
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:33,680
to retard timely adoption of constantly emerging lower cost technology.

912
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,380
Thank you for the opportunity to address you.

913
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:41,300
Thank you, next speaker.

914
01:30:41,660 --> 01:30:46,820
The next four speakers are Tim Faredo, Rich, Sternel, James Filar, and Adi Julga.

915
01:30:56,870 --> 01:31:01,170
Tim Faredo, a Naperville resident, and a member of a affordable Naperville.

916
01:31:02,450 --> 01:31:07,910
We have up on the screen right here is the LNP, is a graph of the LNP prices for

917
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:11,630
or the Naperville node, one's for the Comma's own,

918
01:31:11,710 --> 01:31:12,830
the other one's for the Naperville node,

919
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:16,550
but the top graph is what Mark Kurt showed

920
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:18,770
at one of the PUAB meetings

921
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:22,050
and what he was trying to point out

922
01:31:22,050 --> 01:31:24,710
was a volatility in this LNP market.

923
01:31:25,450 --> 01:31:28,790
And he went on the set to say that cities do not want

924
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:31,570
to buy from the LNP market, it's too volatile.

925
01:31:32,830 --> 01:31:35,610
Down below is what happened to us last month.

926
01:31:35,610 --> 01:31:43,690
This is a Naperville node and shows a volatility of last month when we had the cold snap the price is tripled

927
01:31:43,690 --> 01:31:46,770
So imagine being on an hourly rate

928
01:31:47,290 --> 01:31:53,870
With comment or with comment or with anyone your priceway tripled plus your usage will went up

929
01:31:53,870 --> 01:31:55,530
You would have been stuck with a big bill

930
01:31:55,530 --> 01:31:56,510
So

931
01:32:00,860 --> 01:32:07,460
this proxy has been talked about the LNP market proxy. It's invalid proxy. No one uses it

932
01:32:07,460 --> 01:32:14,800
But no major city buys off of it, it's invalid, it should not be used as a comparison.

933
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,140
Plus, it's not an alternative.

934
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,620
And that's not my view on it only.

935
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:25,500
But the two consultants that we here had her in Naperville said that as well.

936
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:28,320
And the consultant, St. Charles, repeated that.

937
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,880
He said, cities want stable pricing, they don't want volatile pricing.

938
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:43,420
And they went and the St. Charles consultant went on to talk about how power marketers would even recommend cities to say away from the LNP market.

939
01:32:46,660 --> 01:32:49,400
So next I want to talk about the

940
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:56,510
RFP, the request for power that was put in, put out for the MDR.

941
01:32:56,910 --> 01:33:03,850
At least for 70 megawatts, it's a lot of power and would fill most of the neighborhood residential demand.

942
01:33:03,850 --> 01:33:07,710
It definitely would attract interest for people of bid on it.

943
01:33:08,430 --> 01:33:17,490
We still don't have the numbers, still in dark, but I could put some numbers together that we have from the outside, from public information.

944
01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:32,170
But first, when you get the data, you all have seen the numbers, what you need to do is add a total adder, which will include capacity correction and load following to normalize the data.

945
01:33:32,170 --> 01:33:39,010
As you can see, solar, if you want with solar, you will have to add $38 in megawatt.

946
01:33:39,610 --> 01:33:44,510
Right now, IMEA's price is at $50 in megawatt when you strip out transmission and bonds.

947
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:51,370
When we look outside, like some deals that were done and true those up, you have a no-brainer exercise.

948
01:33:52,170 --> 01:34:01,630
IMEA at $50 in megawatt, again, without transmission or the bonds, versus alternative external contract at $97.

949
01:34:01,630 --> 01:34:02,710
and now there's a megawatt hour.

950
01:34:03,370 --> 01:34:04,150
Thank you.

951
01:34:05,010 --> 01:34:06,370
Thank you, next speaker.

952
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:07,930
The next speaker is Rich Journal,

953
01:34:08,170 --> 01:34:09,330
followed by James Fuller.

954
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,080
Good evening, my name's Rich Journal.

955
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,460
I've been a resident in the April Bill for 25 years.

956
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:23,040
Last summer, when Neckos City Council dealt

957
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,560
with this decision itself, and they went with IMEA.

958
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,900
They had a statement on June 18th

959
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:35,540
in their 2025 explaining their decision.

960
01:34:35,540 --> 01:34:37,760
I'm going to do some excerpts from that.

961
01:34:39,020 --> 01:34:46,460
The bill approved the extension to supply contract Illinois with IMEA through 2055.

962
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:51,660
We understand that this is a contentious issue, doing part to IMA's use of the coal and

963
01:34:51,660 --> 01:34:53,340
its current power generation portfolio.

964
01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:58,160
The bill's council is not a fan of coal and we are deeply concerned about the environment.

965
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,580
The decision to extend the contract and continue with IMA was not taken lightly at all.

966
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:21,240
Reviewed the issue for 14 months at five study sessions on the topic where extensive public comment was heard we spoke with business people directly involved with the supply and the equipment in the power grid met with energy consultant on multiple occasions.

967
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:28,560
We investigated the village's options with power marketers that supply power to municipalities and reported back his findings.

968
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:33,120
It was a exhaustive effort undertaken to understand an extremely complex issue.

969
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:39,220
And the best interest of the village ability to supply a predictable, reliable, and affordable

970
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:42,620
power with limited risk of interruption.

971
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:50,300
They continued to make the choice to pursue a different electric supplier option and a rapidly

972
01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:55,180
changing electric market would have been significant risk that the council was unwilling to take.

973
01:35:55,180 --> 01:35:59,600
They understood that on the service that looks like we are supporting electricity from

974
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:00,220
coal generation.

975
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:01,720
This is not the case.

976
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:06,320
We are maintaining our existing outstanding reliable and affordable delivery of electricity

977
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:11,760
to Moneca's homes and businesses, and supporting our energy supplier and its plans to move toward

978
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,120
carbon neutral generation.

979
01:36:15,710 --> 01:36:19,870
So from Moneca's statement, you can see the prize regarding electric power contract.

980
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:26,510
So for individuals in this room and elsewhere to advocate, leaving IMA and adopting all

981
01:36:26,510 --> 01:36:30,570
sort for Naperville's electric power and need to understand the law of unintended consequences,

982
01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:35,470
naming our multi-electric bill, delving or tripling in the not-too-distant future.

983
01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:42,310
Tonight the council has the decision to essentially support a co-op of communities to share the

984
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:47,210
expense of producing economical, reliable energy rather than putting Naperville at the mercy

985
01:36:47,210 --> 01:36:54,830
of a for-profit energy providers, I urge the council to extend a contract, I'm A. Thank

986
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:54,950
you.

987
01:36:57,230 --> 01:36:57,970
Thank you.

988
01:36:58,430 --> 01:36:59,030
Next speaker.

989
01:36:59,330 --> 01:37:04,330
The next four speakers are James Filar, Addy, Jilka, Ashley Pennick, and Robert Geese.

990
01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:12,620
Good evening.

991
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,160
This plot of pricing from IMEA for the last ten years.

992
01:37:19,540 --> 01:37:23,200
The red sections are transmission fees imposed by the grids.

993
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:26,680
The blue bars represent pricing for energy and bonds.

994
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,420
note the blue bars are lower now than they were 10 years ago.

995
01:37:31,180 --> 01:37:34,280
The chart on the left shows hourly pricing in our area.

996
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,100
The chart on the right is for January.

997
01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:41,240
Note prices reached almost $1,000 per megawatt during the recent storm.

998
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,140
Per estate produces at $35 per megawatt, no matter what the weather.

999
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,140
No municipality buys power this way, but Nest tells us, tells its followers.

1000
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,140
This is an option for Naperville.

1001
01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:58,680
This is an index of wind and solar prices released by level 10 last week.

1002
01:37:59,180 --> 01:38:01,720
Wind and solar prices are rising unabated.

1003
01:38:02,340 --> 01:38:07,120
To this day, Nest tells its followers that wind and solar prices are plummeting.

1004
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:14,700
At a more local level, or the city, Naperville ratepayers paid 25% less for their power than

1005
01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:16,560
their common neighbors last year.

1006
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:18,880
This trend will not reverse itself.

1007
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:24,020
This map shows generating plants surrounding our city.

1008
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,680
Natural gas, plants are blue, nuclear plants are green.

1009
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,060
It's clearly received no power from a coal plant.

1010
01:38:31,620 --> 01:38:34,340
In fact, Naperville's generation is very clean.

1011
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:38,920
Seja requires a shutdown of all fossil fuel plants

1012
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:40,760
in Illinois by 2045.

1013
01:38:41,540 --> 01:38:44,820
Of that, 12 gigawatts of capacity in our area

1014
01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:47,340
is required to shut down in 2030.

1015
01:38:47,340 --> 01:38:50,800
That's equivalent to the entire nuclear fleet of Illinois.

1016
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,880
Less power equals higher prices.

1017
01:38:55,020 --> 01:39:00,480
In December, the Illinois Power Agency released its resource adequacy report.

1018
01:39:00,900 --> 01:39:07,720
It stated PGM is expected to experience a capacity shortfall beginning in 2029, and

1019
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,440
the deficit will widen in subsequent years.

1020
01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:17,510
This chart from the report shows the capacity shortfalls is indicated at the top of each bar.

1021
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:23,390
The term capacity shortfalls is grid-speak for blackouts becoming reality.

1022
01:39:24,190 --> 01:39:28,810
In January, NERC released their long-term reliability assessment.

1023
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:35,470
Like the Illinois Power Agency, NERC's report warns that both PJM and Mycell are classified

1024
01:39:35,470 --> 01:39:42,030
as high-risk areas for shortfalls starting in 2029, as shown in red on the table in the map.

1025
01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:45,870
High-risk means shortages, which equals higher prices.

1026
01:39:45,870 --> 01:39:51,810
Note the two independent reports highlight 2030 as the period of high risk.

1027
01:39:52,630 --> 01:39:58,550
Coincidentally, should Naperville decide to leave the beneficial embrace of IMEA.

1028
01:39:59,050 --> 01:40:05,310
This is the exact time Naperville would begin an ill-advised search for a better power supplier.

1029
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:08,910
It's such an event unfolds.

1030
01:40:09,050 --> 01:40:15,330
It's likely to be one of the most predictable slow motion economic train wrecks in the city's history.

1031
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:21,990
63,000 families and businesses are counting on you to provide them affordable power.

1032
01:40:22,170 --> 01:40:22,370
Thank you.

1033
01:40:23,730 --> 01:40:24,370
Thank you.

1034
01:40:24,730 --> 01:40:24,890
Thank you.

1035
01:40:24,890 --> 01:40:25,090
Next speaker.

1036
01:40:25,390 --> 01:40:28,270
The next speaker is Eddie Jilka, followed by Ashley Penneck.

1037
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:34,680
Hello.

1038
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:36,200
My name is Eddie Jilka.

1039
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,140
I would like to thank our council members for allowing me and many others to speak here

1040
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:40,340
today.

1041
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,600
I'm the member of Power Better Future and was an intern at a separate climate solutions

1042
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:45,260
over the summer.

1043
01:40:45,860 --> 01:40:48,080
I also am a sophomore at Naperville Central High School.

1044
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:49,920
Like many of us here today.

1045
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:56,780
I wanted to talk about the IMEA contract, but I thought I could bring a different perspective as a youth member of our community.

1046
01:40:57,460 --> 01:41:02,540
The IMEA provides electricity to Naperville and wants to continue doing so for the next 30 years.

1047
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:07,000
For reference, I am 15 right now and I will be 45 by that time.

1048
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:09,360
I will be bald and have a beard.

1049
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:18,560
The other issue about the IMEA is that 80% of the electricity that it produces is cold-based energy.

1050
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:24,220
And the energy from which this coal energy is procured amidst millions of tons of carbon emissions,

1051
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:29,260
cost billions of dollars in medical bills, and kill over 100 people every single year.

1052
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:32,880
We are, in effect, the dirtiest city in all of Illinois.

1053
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:39,200
And are complicit in both the damage to our environment and everyday Illinois' financial and physical well-being.

1054
01:41:39,740 --> 01:41:42,280
How many more habitats will we have to destroy?

1055
01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:45,720
How many more families will we have to put in crippling medical debt?

1056
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,860
or people will we have to harm to make a change to the council?

1057
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,400
Before you make your decision today, I would like for you to think about your legacy.

1058
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:59,340
The decision you make today will affect people like me and others for future generations.

1059
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:05,980
I would like, will you want to be remembered as the trailblazers who changed the trajectory of

1060
01:42:05,980 --> 01:42:10,560
Naperville's energy or as the council members who condemned our city to a dark and dirty future?

1061
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:11,600
Thank you for your time.

1062
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:15,550
Thank you, next speaker.

1063
01:42:15,550 --> 01:42:20,610
The next speakers are Ashley Pennick, followed by Robert Geese, Andrea Ramirez, and Stephanie

1064
01:42:20,610 --> 01:42:21,170
Jacks.

1065
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,580
Ashley Pennick here, you know I work in restaurants.

1066
01:42:26,140 --> 01:42:28,540
I had a question, asked the other day the first time ever.

1067
01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:32,640
I guess ask me, why don't you give a drink menu out to every single person?

1068
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:36,220
My response to him was, because you only have a certain number.

1069
01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:41,600
If you give one out to every single person we've gone out, not everyone wants a drink menu.

1070
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,580
A menu is only one of many moving parts when operating a restaurant.

1071
01:42:45,580 --> 01:42:49,180
Some of the moving parts that you deal with are the cost of labor, rent,

1072
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:53,240
linens, food, liquor, and equipment, if it breaks.

1073
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:58,660
I could go on, but these are just some of the moving parts when making a restaurant run.

1074
01:42:59,420 --> 01:43:03,180
A pamphlet called iPens was written by Leonard Reed in 1958.

1075
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:09,320
He was the founder of a free market think tank called Fee, foundation for economic education.

1076
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:13,860
It's the first free market think tank established in the United States in 1946.

1077
01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:20,240
The point of eye pencil is this, a pencil is at face value is just a pencil.

1078
01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:24,340
But there are many moving parts like a restaurant that build a pencil.

1079
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:30,460
You have the wood, eraser, the graphite, the paint, the saw that cuts down the tree.

1080
01:43:31,020 --> 01:43:33,520
There is no one thing that makes some pencil.

1081
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,580
It is the combination of everything working together that makes the pencil.

1082
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,880
I have always been a proponent of free markets, and in the beginning, from more of a philosophical

1083
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:46,980
perspective, but when I became a restaurant manager, it helped confirm what I had learned and put it into practice.

1084
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:54,640
I am not opposed to things, prices going up and down, but from a business perspective, you want things to be stable.

1085
01:43:55,120 --> 01:44:01,040
And business, when prices of things constantly change, whether labor, added fees from new regulations,

1086
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,240
knowing something that price of it from years on out is phenomenal.

1087
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:08,920
Narrow exposure to the market is one of the highlights with IMEA.

1088
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:13,780
If we stay enrolled in IMEA, we will only be exposed partially to the market.

1089
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:18,920
If we are not enrolled in IMEA, we'll be exposed to market forces 100%.

1090
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,900
It will go up and down much more drastically.

1091
01:44:22,220 --> 01:44:23,000
It's the stability.

1092
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:28,380
If businesses or homeowners know that the right of energy is going to remain partly stable,

1093
01:44:28,660 --> 01:44:31,100
we have budgeting, one of the moving parts.

1094
01:44:32,180 --> 01:44:35,920
Having some predictability even if it is not beneficial completely.

1095
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:39,940
Another reason I'd price this go up is because of transmission costs.

1096
01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:45,360
Transmission costs are the fees charged to transport high voltage, electricity and

1097
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:50,360
bulk from power generation plants to local utility distribution substations.

1098
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:52,500
Government plays a big role in this.

1099
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:57,700
Transmission costs are from added regulation which create unforeseen costs.

1100
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:59,860
but also due to the man user.

1101
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:21,600
Members of the system, much of it added government barriers to entry. This is especially true in restaurants. Lastly, I am a member of affordable neighborhood. Restaurant wheat runs until February 8th. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. The next speaker is Robert Geese followed by Andrea Ramirez.

1102
01:45:25,090 --> 01:45:32,230
My name is Robert Geese. I have been a neighborhood resident since 1972 when I graduated from Stanford with a PhD in physics.

1103
01:45:32,230 --> 01:45:35,330
and started a career at Argonne National Laboratory.

1104
01:45:35,850 --> 01:45:37,290
I'm part of Affordable Naperville

1105
01:45:37,290 --> 01:45:38,850
because I care about Naperville.

1106
01:45:39,310 --> 01:45:43,430
I spent most of my 26 years at Argonne

1107
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:45,030
in the Energy System Division,

1108
01:45:45,290 --> 01:45:47,190
studying electric utility systems.

1109
01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:49,370
These systems are very complex

1110
01:45:49,370 --> 01:45:52,410
and I could spend an hour refuting nest assertion.

1111
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:54,610
However, that would get us into the weeds

1112
01:45:54,610 --> 01:45:56,670
so I will spend my time indicating

1113
01:45:56,670 --> 01:45:59,750
what walking away from negotiation with IMEA

1114
01:45:59,750 --> 01:46:01,990
will cost citizens of Naperville.

1115
01:46:02,510 --> 01:46:05,590
To manage costs and reliability on peak demand days,

1116
01:46:06,190 --> 01:46:08,350
utilities join together to help each other.

1117
01:46:08,710 --> 01:46:12,590
Both comment and an IMEA belong to PGM,

1118
01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:14,830
which covers much of the Northeast.

1119
01:46:15,230 --> 01:46:17,110
Things are projected to get much tighter

1120
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with PGM and other networks and costs will go up.

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01:46:20,890 --> 01:46:23,490
The last coal snap challenge, the PGM system,

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01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:26,110
the cost for purchasing a daily contract

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01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:28,110
for electricity increased 30 fold.

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01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:31,410
And an hourly contract would have been much worse.

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01:46:31,870 --> 01:46:33,950
IMEA protects us from such swings.

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01:46:34,450 --> 01:46:36,990
Right now, IMEA provides Naperville customers

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01:46:36,990 --> 01:46:40,350
with electricity priced about 25% lower

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01:46:40,350 --> 01:46:41,530
than combat customers.

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01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:44,010
If you want to rely on solar and wind,

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01:46:44,190 --> 01:46:45,690
you will most likely have to put up

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01:46:45,690 --> 01:46:47,870
with more frequent power outages.

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01:46:48,630 --> 01:46:50,830
Battery storage is not a panacea either.

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01:46:51,010 --> 01:46:53,690
Batteries provide power for a limited time.

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01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:55,550
If you guess wrong and when to use them,

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01:46:55,650 --> 01:46:56,650
you lose their benefit.

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01:46:56,650 --> 01:47:02,270
It also current battery technology presents fire hazards that can't be put out with water.

1137
01:47:02,990 --> 01:47:07,290
The other issue is virtual signaling that won't accomplish anything positive.

1138
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:10,890
IMEA's coal plant will run with or without us.

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01:47:11,310 --> 01:47:14,030
Naperville can't choose where their elections will come from.

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01:47:14,750 --> 01:47:19,370
Furthermore, those council people who want to leave the contract don't really represent

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01:47:19,370 --> 01:47:20,350
all of Naperville.

1142
01:47:20,910 --> 01:47:24,890
Everyone I've talked to says it's a no-brainer to stay with IMEA.

1143
01:47:24,890 --> 01:47:30,790
The people who elected the council people on nest side only represent 12% of Naperville.

1144
01:47:31,050 --> 01:47:35,790
Most people didn't vote in the previous election and didn't even know that IMEA was an issue.

1145
01:47:36,430 --> 01:47:39,550
They haven't expressed their opinion on leaving IMEA.

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01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:46,090
Right now, Loves and Fishes has experienced a three-fold increase in people using their facility since COVID.

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01:47:46,590 --> 01:47:51,070
About 25% of Naperville residents qualify for using Loves and Fishes.

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01:47:51,070 --> 01:47:54,510
any increase in electricity costs will affect them very much.

1149
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:56,610
It's a shame that it's come to this.

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01:47:57,070 --> 01:48:02,430
So the real issue is we have a burden hand versus totally unknown if we leave.

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01:48:02,810 --> 01:48:08,670
If we leave present trends indicate costs will be going up with any other supplier, probably fast.

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01:48:09,110 --> 01:48:14,090
There will be overhead costs for Napierville, New Staff, Legal and Regulations.

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01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:18,770
Furthermore, in 2035, the loan will be paid off, lowering our energy costs.

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01:48:18,770 --> 01:48:23,930
Because transmission is a red herring, any option will probably subject to similar transmission

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01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:24,270
costs.

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01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:29,850
We haven't even asked IMEA to counsel to make for both of them.

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01:48:30,170 --> 01:48:30,710
Let's continue.

1158
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:31,350
It's an negotiate.

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01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:32,110
Thank you.

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01:48:32,590 --> 01:48:38,510
The next speaker is Andrew Ramirez, followed by Stephanie Jax, Dick Firstenaw, and Don Heller.

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01:48:43,540 --> 01:48:44,100
Next speaker?

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01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:45,940
The next speaker is Stephanie Jax.

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01:48:49,870 --> 01:48:50,690
Next speaker?

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01:48:51,230 --> 01:48:52,950
The next speaker is Dick Firstenaw.

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01:49:10,420 --> 01:49:11,720
Hello, counsel and mayor.

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01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:21,680
My name is Dick Ferson. I've been in town since 1977 that figures out close to 50 years in the same house by the way using the electricity whatever comes through the line.

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01:49:23,260 --> 01:49:41,390
I happened to be the one of the guys in the room when this contract was signed and we went through everything that we could and I would say that we made one mistake and we didn't get enough say that was a mistake in that contract but going with IMEA was not a mistake.

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01:49:42,150 --> 01:49:48,970
I'm going to tell you, and you probably heard this, but in 24 and 25, China is the biggest

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01:49:48,970 --> 01:49:54,530
leader in electricity. They're the most electrified country in the world right now. And you

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01:49:54,530 --> 01:50:03,550
know why? They built a hundred of those coal plants in both years. So that's 200 plants

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01:50:03,550 --> 01:50:09,690
they built there. And they're using coal. That's how it works. And they are the most electrified

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01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:17,570
country in the world right now. And we've got one coal plant and we're going crazy over it.

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01:50:18,010 --> 01:50:25,130
We shouldn't do that. Whatever you get, whatever you buy, wherever you go, it's going to cost more.

1174
01:50:26,350 --> 01:50:30,090
And I heard a number here tonight that didn't start with me. I thought it was pretty close.

1175
01:50:30,530 --> 01:50:34,510
And that was the number of how much we've already invested in that plant.

1176
01:50:34,510 --> 01:50:36,590
and if you don't believe that number,

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01:50:37,010 --> 01:50:38,670
you should talk to Craig or there.

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01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:40,170
He can give you the answer.

1179
01:50:40,350 --> 01:50:41,190
He's got the answer.

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01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:42,650
He knows how much they've spent,

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01:50:42,830 --> 01:50:44,170
how much Naperville has spent.

1182
01:50:44,590 --> 01:50:46,790
And it's not been cheap either, by the way.

1183
01:50:47,170 --> 01:50:50,570
We invested a lot and you're gonna walk away from that

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01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:51,830
and have no partner.

1185
01:50:52,530 --> 01:50:54,650
And I talked about this a while back

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01:50:55,890 --> 01:50:58,370
and the one thing that you cannot do

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01:50:58,370 --> 01:51:01,850
when I go flip my switch, the light needs to go on.

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01:51:01,850 --> 01:51:18,670
And what the robots are taking, I'm not too sure that's going to happen, but if you stick with the coal and you may even have to expand that plant in the future, I don't know for sure, I'm not a guy with all those numbers, I don't spend that much time on it.

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01:51:18,670 --> 01:51:28,730
But I can tell you that I was a purchasing chief officer at loosened up here in AT&T Western

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01:51:28,730 --> 01:51:33,650
Electric and the Bell Laboratories for the last 10 years of my career with that outfit.

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01:51:34,930 --> 01:51:44,570
And I was responsible for procurement of everything that AT&T bought in this country, west of the

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01:51:44,570 --> 01:51:51,630
Mississippi River, and it was billions of dollars, negotiated numbers of contracts before.

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01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:58,690
And as far as I'm concerned, if we walk away from IMEA, we have no basis for

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01:51:58,690 --> 01:52:03,530
anybody. These guys we've known for years. These guys want to supply us.

1195
01:52:04,510 --> 01:52:09,690
These guys came through for us when we asked them. They built the power plant down there while we waited.

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01:52:09,690 --> 01:52:13,230
I wasn't too sure it was going to get built, but it happened.

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01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:15,870
You cannot.

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01:52:16,110 --> 01:52:16,770
There's time is up.

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01:52:17,090 --> 01:52:17,890
Thank you.

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01:52:17,970 --> 01:52:19,010
You cannot leave.

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01:52:19,290 --> 01:52:19,870
I am here.

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01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:20,470
Thank you.

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01:52:20,890 --> 01:52:26,210
The next speakers are Don Heller, followed by Marilyn Schweitzer, Judith McGowan, and Greg

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01:52:26,210 --> 01:52:26,590
Hubert.

1205
01:52:28,630 --> 01:52:31,090
Thank you, everyone, for the opportunity.

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01:52:31,090 --> 01:52:38,950
My name is Don Heller, 27 year neighbor Bill Federeron, Federeron resident, but I'm not

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01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:44,910
Not going to touch upon environmental issues, but two factors that jumped out at me is both

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01:52:44,910 --> 01:52:50,970
cost effectiveness, financial impact to the actual consumer, the citizens of Naperville.

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01:52:52,230 --> 01:52:59,230
My own experience with public involvement for 32 years, I was with the federal government.

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01:52:59,610 --> 01:53:03,570
We worked on, we promulgated multi-million dollar environmental decisions.

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01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:11,670
I've spoken in public hearings much larger auditoriums as with much larger hostile crowds.

1212
01:53:12,150 --> 01:53:19,510
One thing we made a point of for key decisions which profoundly impact members of the community

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01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:23,070
as we tried as much as possible to fully inform them.

1214
01:53:23,730 --> 01:53:32,350
We issued public notices full statement of basis at fully weighed cost effectiveness and pros and cons

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01:53:32,350 --> 01:53:36,190
of each alternative, we allowed a public comment period.

1216
01:53:37,250 --> 01:53:40,970
Again, I've sat in front of hundreds of hostile people with this,

1217
01:53:41,470 --> 01:53:46,570
but we fully informed the public before the final decisions were issued.

1218
01:53:47,630 --> 01:53:51,590
It's kind of surprised me, if not for some of my church friends

1219
01:53:52,020 --> 01:53:55,770
who are with Affordable Neighbor Bill, I didn't even know this wasn't an issue coming up.

1220
01:53:56,450 --> 01:54:01,590
I did look at one thing on a website that apparently there was a FOIA request

1221
01:54:01,590 --> 01:54:10,510
for kilowatt hour per unit costs for some of the green energy alternatives. And I was appalled.

1222
01:54:11,150 --> 01:54:14,610
Apparently it was mostly black. It was redacted. Why?

1223
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:20,830
I mean, if the work I've done, if we had gone to the public with a document like that,

1224
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:26,950
we would have needed in the public hearings we did, we would have needed police assistance.

1225
01:54:28,130 --> 01:54:36,410
So, to me, I think the council has a responsibility to fully inform the public for whether the

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01:54:36,410 --> 01:54:43,910
green alternatives are staying with IMEA to weigh the pros and cons and easy language

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01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:47,170
to understand what the cost per consumer would be.

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01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:54,850
And again, it's no secret that increased energy costs would profoundly affect the pocket

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01:54:54,850 --> 01:55:00,370
the books of all the residents because not every neighbor bill resident lives in a five bedroom

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01:55:00,370 --> 01:55:10,250
house or pulls in a six or seven digit annual income. So before making any decision I would

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01:55:10,250 --> 01:55:17,810
charge the council to more fully inform the public and easy to understand language including all the

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01:55:17,810 --> 01:55:24,690
cost alternatives and for like the green alternatives what factor public funds subsidies play with them.

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01:55:24,850 --> 01:55:27,230
for that. Thank you very much for your opportunity.

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Thank you, next speaker.

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01:55:30,370 --> 01:55:32,970
The next speaker is Marilyn Schweitzer, followed by Judith McGowan.

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01:55:33,670 --> 01:55:35,190
Good evening, Marilyn Schweitzer.

1237
01:55:36,130 --> 01:55:40,190
And it may be February 3rd, but it really feels like Groundhog Day to me.

1238
01:55:40,990 --> 01:55:45,710
For years, even before IMEA came out with an Earl Renewal contract,

1239
01:55:46,530 --> 01:55:50,910
a large constituency in Naperville had been requesting that the city investigate

1240
01:55:50,910 --> 01:55:57,430
alternatives to IMEA or changes to future IMEA contracts. Those requests were

1241
01:55:57,430 --> 01:56:04,070
largely ignored until IME proposed an early renewal contract in opposition to

1242
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:08,250
that agreement without adequate exploration of alternatives became

1243
01:56:08,250 --> 01:56:15,130
intense. I'm glad that the council finally hired a consultant. I'm glad the PAUB had

1244
01:56:15,130 --> 01:56:19,990
a chance to weigh in and I really liked the minority vote for the on the PAUB

1245
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:26,530
review. I'm glad council finally held a workshop. I'm pleased that council delayed matters

1246
01:56:26,530 --> 01:56:31,850
with I'm not pleased that the council delayed matters with IMEA until September with

1247
01:56:31,850 --> 01:56:36,690
a suggested counter proposal that passed only as a motion of substitution, but at least

1248
01:56:36,690 --> 01:56:43,030
that was a step forward. And tonight here we are again without a firm counteroffer and

1249
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:49,030
without a firm plan to move on. Just more vagaries. Enough waffling is time to move on.

1250
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:55,850
Based on Mr. Gross' comment from during the Council Q&A, Naperville has about two or three

1251
01:56:55,850 --> 01:56:57,610
years to explore alternatives.

1252
01:56:58,530 --> 01:57:03,870
So please don't simply vote yes to hold off on negotiating a nine-month-old expired

1253
01:57:03,870 --> 01:57:11,670
successful contract, vote yes to explore seriously options other than IMEA with firm commitments

1254
01:57:11,670 --> 01:57:16,650
and a clear plan, something that many in the community has been advocating for many years.

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01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:17,870
Thank you very much.

1256
01:57:17,870 --> 01:57:20,520
Thank you.

1257
01:57:20,980 --> 01:57:21,360
Next speaker.

1258
01:57:21,780 --> 01:57:26,220
The next speaker is Judith McGowan followed by Greg Hubert, Julie Berkowitz, and Jimina

1259
01:57:26,220 --> 01:57:26,860
Argueta.

1260
01:57:28,260 --> 01:57:29,260
Good evening.

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01:57:29,940 --> 01:57:35,020
I'm here to urge the council to continue negotiations for extension of the IMEA contract

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01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:41,360
and secure the energy sources, pricing, and infrastructure that IMEA provides to Naperville

1263
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:45,540
as we move into a period of volatility in the decades to come.

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01:57:45,540 --> 01:57:50,780
maintain the fiscal advantages and reliability of our electrical source that is a key component

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01:57:50,780 --> 01:57:56,200
that makes Naperville a success and is an important part of the value of our homes and

1266
01:57:56,200 --> 01:58:02,480
our businesses. It's daunting to commit to a decade's long contract of this nature.

1267
01:58:02,940 --> 01:58:09,080
Just go ask the farmers who are signing wind leases and it quickly becomes a multi-generational

1268
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:14,360
decision. It's a 20-something child or grandchild who's

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01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:20,460
going to be dealing with the back end of those 40 year commitments and hopefully they're

1270
01:58:20,460 --> 01:58:28,360
not left when they reach their 40s, 50s and beyond wondering what and why their parents

1271
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:35,180
and grandparents entered into those agreements decades ago. Ask me how I know it's an experience

1272
01:58:35,180 --> 01:58:37,000
that my family is dealing with right now.

1273
01:58:39,180 --> 01:58:41,960
The same thing is happening here with City Council.

1274
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:45,560
These long-term agreements are heavy and high stakes to be sure.

1275
01:58:46,460 --> 01:58:51,400
The nature of such transactions has also lent itself to political activism, and instead

1276
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:57,080
of a rational, analytical negotiation to extend the contract, the process has been infected

1277
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:00,060
by virtue signaling and a rallying cry for no coal.

1278
01:59:00,700 --> 01:59:06,980
I care about the reliability and the cost of the energy for my neighbor's home of 34 years.

1279
01:59:06,980 --> 01:59:13,260
I disagree with Nest, and I find the presentation of the issues to be incredibly one-sided without

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01:59:13,260 --> 01:59:15,740
regard to source, reliability or cost.

1281
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:21,540
Green doesn't mean clean, and honestly, the energy that powers Naperville comes from

1282
01:59:21,540 --> 01:59:24,940
coal, leaving IMEA will not change that.

1283
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:33,900
I do have some concern, and one reason I came out to speak tonight was I have concern about

1284
01:59:33,900 --> 01:59:40,300
Well, the role of Nest and the nature of this organization as a task force, you can see

1285
01:59:40,300 --> 01:59:47,800
from the comments that have been said tonight and surround this issue, that Nest doesn't

1286
01:59:48,660 --> 01:59:54,100
represent how everyone in Naperville views this issue and the long-term impacts.

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01:59:54,100 --> 01:59:59,720
I would ask the council to provide

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02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:22,280
If nest is to continue as a task force to maybe re-examine its composition, the wait or whether it should have that association and status. If it's to remain, please take steps to make this more well-rounded and to represent all voices and stakeholders. Thank you.

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02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:29,060
Thank you, next speaker. The next speaker is Greg Cuberd, followed by Julie Berkowitz.

1290
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:36,700
Good evening.

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02:00:36,700 --> 02:00:41,600
As a Naperville resident, I've tracked IMEA since 2018.

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02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:46,820
Prior to nest, with nest, and now as co-founder of Clean Energy Naperville,

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02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:49,720
where we continue to share our findings online.

1294
02:00:50,590 --> 02:00:53,000
Please keep the word trust in mind.

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02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:55,040
I'll return to it in my conclusion.

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02:00:56,140 --> 02:01:01,220
IMEA is a unit of local government responsible for our public dollars.

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02:01:01,900 --> 02:01:04,700
And here are some events in my IMEA journey.

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At a summer 2019 IMEA Board meeting, I heard leadership say that contract extensions

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02:01:11,700 --> 02:01:13,400
might soon be necessary.

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02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:20,920
In November 2019, Nest and I shared concerns about early renewal here at City Council.

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02:01:22,100 --> 02:01:29,580
IMEA's November 2019 closed planning meeting minutes still remains sealed from the public

1302
02:01:29,580 --> 02:01:34,820
today, more than five years later, by repeated board vote.

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02:01:35,380 --> 02:01:42,440
In January 2022, Council learned from us that the carbon capture pilot project wasn't

1304
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:47,440
totally free to members, which was the impression from lack of information from IMEA.

1305
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:54,660
In December 2023, City Council listened to our concerns about IMEA's sustainability plan,

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02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:57,800
which was developed without public input.

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02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:12,340
This past December, I shared that IMEA refused to provide performance for transmission ownership projects withholding data from the public on costs, benefits, risks, and assumptions.

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02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:16,480
IMEA doesn't provide board meeting recordings.

1309
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:23,140
When I requested a webinar clip of the resource planning presentation,

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02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:29,380
IMEA's formal response was, the record you requested does not exist.

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02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:38,520
WTF, did you know we can't see the market sales revenues since their buried and net expense accounting?

1312
02:02:39,140 --> 02:02:44,420
While legal and audited, this also blocks public understanding.

1313
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:53,040
And back again to 2007, months after we signed our contract, IMEA signed the Prairie State

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02:02:53,040 --> 02:03:00,640
Owners Agreement with a confidentiality section which is used to withhold planning and financial

1315
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:03,320
reports from the public who pay the bills.

1316
02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:13,160
Sure looks to me like IMEA has forgotten about the public and public power and that principle

1317
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:15,920
of trust but verify.

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02:03:16,460 --> 02:03:18,080
It's now 2026.

1319
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:23,740
We see widespread community concerns and misinformation too.

1320
02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:28,240
We're paying quite a price, both tangible and

1321
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:32,160
intangible, for IMEA's way of supplying power.

1322
02:03:33,100 --> 02:03:37,040
It's time to seek out options for our neighbor's way.

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02:03:37,620 --> 02:03:38,320
Thank you.

1324
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:41,160
Thank you, next speaker.

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02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:44,220
The next speaker is Julie Berkowitz, followed by him and not Argueda.

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02:03:47,460 --> 02:03:55,040
Good evening, I serve as a Will County board member and force preserve commissioner for Will County.

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My name is Julie Berkowitz, I live in South Naperville in district 10.

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02:04:01,420 --> 02:04:06,180
I come before you tonight as elected officials.

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02:04:06,180 --> 02:04:11,120
One of your most important responsibilities is public safety and

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02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:15,620
welfare of businesses and the residents that call Naperville home.

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02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:26,340
A component of this includes critical energy resources, which allow us to achieve the highest standard of living here in Naperville.

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02:04:26,900 --> 02:04:34,340
When my family first moved to Naperville over 30 years ago, the electric grid was strained.

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02:04:34,340 --> 02:04:41,060
And there were frequent power outages which unfortunately became a common occurrence.

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02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:49,300
The continued growth in Naperville presented many, many challenges for the city.

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02:04:49,700 --> 02:04:56,040
And part of that was because of our success in becoming a national destination.

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Since Naperville has joined IMEA, our residents have taken for granted this dependable plentiful

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source of electricity.

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We no longer worry about the lights going out.

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As technology and production processes have advanced, IMEA produces electric power that

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is clean and affordable.

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02:05:21,140 --> 02:05:24,560
Why would you choose to leave a partnership that works?

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02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:29,700
Naperville is a vested partner in the success of IMEA.

1343
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:34,900
There's a huge disadvantage to Naperville if we walk away.

1344
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:41,560
Let me make a few comments, real facts that are occurring.

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02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:45,780
There's a lot of talk about sustainable energy, clean energy.

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02:05:46,380 --> 02:05:53,560
Let me tell you about how solar facilities are impacting our neighbors here in Illinois.

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02:05:53,560 --> 02:06:02,220
In Wilk County, the strain of these solar facilities are creating a heavy burden.

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02:06:03,180 --> 02:06:07,820
Nobody wants to live surrounded by a solar facility.

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02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:13,840
I know Naperville's very developed and we don't have to worry about it in our backyard.

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02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:17,260
But there are neighbors throughout Wilk County.

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02:06:17,260 --> 02:06:25,200
And then there are also issues with the materials that are used with the panels.

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02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:27,900
So please keep all of this in mind.

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02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:39,420
We have a incredible opportunity here to secure the future of our energy and also bring

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02:06:39,420 --> 02:06:44,080
affordable and affordable plan for the future.

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Comed, many of the customers are complaining about higher prices, talk to your neighbors

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02:06:53,220 --> 02:06:53,860
out there.

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02:06:55,300 --> 02:06:55,560
Thank you.

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Thank you.

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02:06:56,140 --> 02:06:56,520
Thank you.

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02:06:56,780 --> 02:06:58,640
The final speaker is Jimina Argueda.

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02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:05,660
Good evening, Mayor and Council members.

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My name is Hemena Argueda, and I'm a senior at Bonzi Valley High School, and I volunteer

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02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:12,580
in previous intern at Accelerate Climate Solutions.

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This past summer, I was one of the many local youth who came together under the youth-created

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02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:23,200
organization power a better future to position to reject the IMEA contract and advocate for

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Naperville to commit to a climate action plan.

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Now I'm here tonight to ask you not to extend the IMEA contract and to instead consider

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how the decision you'll be making tonight will impact the lives of both the current and

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02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:38,600
also future residents of Naperville for an extensive period of time.

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This decision will not only affect my generation but also the next to come and that is something

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02:07:44,140 --> 02:07:45,280
that is not worth forgetting.

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02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:51,020
We need clean energy now, not decades more of coal, especially as the world is moving

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02:07:51,020 --> 02:07:54,020
towards alternative solutions to coal in great masses.

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02:07:54,720 --> 02:08:00,700
The ability to have and maintain a sustainability run city is in your hands, and I urge you

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to not dismiss this.

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Thank you for your time for hearing the voices of local youth and for considering the future

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02:08:06,580 --> 02:08:08,000
generations to come in the April.

1378
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,040
Thank you, are there any more public speakers?

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02:08:13,660 --> 02:08:15,620
Seeing none, it is 902.

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We will be back at 9-10. We're going to take a short break. Thank you.

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02:16:19,730 --> 02:16:22,470
We're going to go ahead and restart the meeting. If you could take your seats, please.

1382
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:43,440
Okay, council, public forum is concluded. We can now begin deliberations, councilman Hozerah. Thank you, Mayor. First, I wanted to thank every spingles speaker who came out here tonight. I listened to your comments closely. It took notes. And I can honestly say that I believe that every single speaker who came out here tonight did someone good faith, making good points, you know, believing in

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their cause, and that's something we can be proud of as a community, and it's very different

1384
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:54,200
than talking on social media to actually come out and face your neighbors on an issue

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02:17:54,200 --> 02:18:00,720
like this that says something. This is an issue with a lot of strong opinions, some

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02:18:00,720 --> 02:18:07,220
emotions, and honestly it can be easier sometimes to tune out people we don't agree with than

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to try to find some common ground. I'd ask that regardless of whether you think you agree

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02:18:12,620 --> 02:18:17,820
with my prior comments on this that you give me a few minutes to share some areas where

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02:18:17,820 --> 02:18:23,820
I think we as a community can find common ground. So the first area where I think we can

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02:18:23,820 --> 02:18:31,600
find common ground is on a defined term and that term is base load capacity. So anyone

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to my knowledge who is serious about this conversation understands that you have to have

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a stable base load, which means any time of day or night, if electricity use goes up,

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02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:50,360
there needs to be something that you can reliably increase the generation of, right?

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02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:56,120
So for example, wind will never be the base load, you know, the city, maybe part of it,

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02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:58,180
a small part of it is never going to be the base load.

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02:18:59,660 --> 02:19:06,200
Fundamentally, for base load capacity, you are talking about purchasing a commodity, whether

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So that is natural gas, it's coal, it could be nuclear, it could be oil, hydro and a few

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02:19:15,800 --> 02:19:21,360
others just to name a few, but you are tied to the price of commodity if you're talking

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about base load capacity.

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So I want to laser focus on one issue regarding base load capacity and that is the biggest

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02:19:31,140 --> 02:19:40,560
story of the last 26 years in the United States, which has been the relationship between

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02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:47,980
the price of natural gas versus coal. So if you go back to the year, the early 2000s,

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02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:53,660
this is a time where nobody foresaw the fracking boom that was going to happen in North Dakota,

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02:19:54,800 --> 02:20:00,020
nobody foresaw kind of all these new natural gas reserves that we're going to come about.

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02:20:00,020 --> 02:20:06,620
So that was the time when Prairie State was being proposed and it was thought that coal

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02:20:06,620 --> 02:20:10,300
was going to be a lot cheaper than natural gas.

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In 2010, Naperville is around 70% or above tide to coal.

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02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:24,020
So heavily dependent on the price of that commodity and what happens with fracking, with all the

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02:20:24,020 --> 02:20:26,980
changes that happen in the energy markets.

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Natural gas rapidly goes down in price.

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And I really want to highlight this

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because during those first years of the IMA contract,

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we paid substantially more in Naperville for our power

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02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:48,360
because of the lower price of natural gas in relation to coal.

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02:20:48,580 --> 02:20:50,680
And you don't have to just take my word for it.

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I'm not going to read this word for word,

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02:20:52,980 --> 02:21:02,060
But if you read a Chicago Tribune article from 2014, at that time, we were paying 16% more in

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02:21:02,060 --> 02:21:08,060
Naperville for our power than we were, then I'm sorry, neighboring communities would have been.

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02:21:08,140 --> 02:21:12,640
So basically the exact inverse of, you know, the statistic that was cited for last year.

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And I actually want to set aside whether this is because IMEA is great or bad or anything else.

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02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:22,560
a lot of it just had to do with the prices of those two commodity.

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02:21:22,880 --> 02:21:25,720
Actually, most of it had to do with the prices of those two commodities.

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02:21:26,540 --> 02:21:32,400
Now, for most of that time period, gas was beating coal by a lot.

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02:21:33,480 --> 02:21:40,320
So the percentage of power in the United States coming from coal drops from like 45% to 15%.

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That's not because of environmental regulation or because people suddenly had a change of heart.

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02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:47,700
that's simply cold-hard economics.

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02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:52,100
And if you want to take a look at the U.S.

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02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:54,820
Energy Information Administration's website,

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02:21:55,140 --> 02:22:01,740
they list the wholesale prices of natural gas and coal.

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In 2020, natural gas is going for $2.40 per million BTUs,

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02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:12,680
which is substantially lower than what coal is right now.

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02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:14,640
What happens right after that though?

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02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:20,580
Russia invades Ukraine, which causes this huge, huge shock to the natural gas market

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02:22:20,580 --> 02:22:27,840
in the world. Natural gas goes up to $7.21 for what used to be $2.40. So you're seeing

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something triple in just a few years. So yes, I will concede in that time period,

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coal starts to look really attractive compared to natural gas. But to me, this is why you diversify.

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02:22:39,720 --> 02:22:44,460
By this one of order, Mayor, Councilman Hall's hours had four minutes.

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02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:49,560
Point will take, and there's a three minute limit.

1439
02:22:50,740 --> 02:22:53,360
Okay, is that going to be enforced across the board?

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02:22:54,360 --> 02:22:55,600
That would be enforced across the board.

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02:22:56,120 --> 02:22:59,260
Okay, then I'll just wrap it up, Councilman.

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02:22:59,660 --> 02:23:09,400
Okay, I'll conclude these comments by saying the 70% bet on one commodity.

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02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:20,380
is a gamble to me. That is not by any means a diversified portfolio. We asked for guarantees. There would be more diversification.

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02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:29,900
That was not given. And I understand I've gone to five minutes. I will be keeping track of how long everyone else talks to make sure we're equal. Thank you, Mayor.

1445
02:23:30,920 --> 02:23:31,440
Thank you.

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02:23:33,710 --> 02:23:35,450
Any other council comments?

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02:23:40,010 --> 02:23:41,110
Council Member Bloom.

1448
02:23:42,650 --> 02:23:43,570
Thank you, Mayor.

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02:23:47,670 --> 02:23:53,590
So, you know, we all have full-time jobs, we're part-time city council members.

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02:23:54,870 --> 02:24:01,870
We hired experts, industry experts to advise us on our options and, you know, Councilman

1451
02:24:01,870 --> 02:24:05,590
Hulsauer, I'll do respect. You're not an expert. I'm not an expert.

1452
02:24:05,590 --> 02:24:11,030
I could argue I've probably put more hours into this than most of my colleagues up here I'm not an expert on it

1453
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:16,070
So appreciate the commentary. I think we should be listened to to our paid experts

1454
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:25,030
So one comment about a particular speaker tonight Mr. Doyle. I appreciate it the honesty and I just we there so much of this

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02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:31,670
Conversation has has not been honest and and he actually gave us some great honesty

1456
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:39,290
mentioned that in the election, the individuals who had the least priority put on cost of energy

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02:24:39,290 --> 02:24:45,170
got the most votes. I think that's probably true. And then the candidates that put the highest

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02:24:45,170 --> 02:24:52,310
priority on cost lost their election. And so, and then he inferred that this vote should be

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02:24:52,310 --> 02:24:58,390
political. So out of the 12% of people that vote in town, a majority of those voted for higher

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02:24:58,390 --> 02:25:02,790
or energy costs, and so that's how the vote should end up being.

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02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:08,410
So if I think what's going to happen tonight is going to happen, I just want you to know

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02:25:08,410 --> 02:25:10,290
the opposite is happening, okay?

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02:25:10,470 --> 02:25:14,530
So with renewal of the IMEA contract, we have an MDR option.

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02:25:15,150 --> 02:25:20,390
We have the quotes on carbon-free energy for 20% of our peak load, which is 50% of our total

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02:25:20,390 --> 02:25:20,750
load.

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They're confidential.

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I'm just going to tell you, they're substantially higher.

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So, Council tonight has the opportunity to add carbon free resources to our portfolio

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and raise everybody's rate.

1470
02:25:38,110 --> 02:25:39,910
So, that option's available tonight.

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I don't know if that's going to happen.

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02:25:41,730 --> 02:25:42,510
We'll see.

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02:25:42,750 --> 02:25:47,070
So, you know, I think a motion's going to happen.

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02:25:47,350 --> 02:25:51,870
I'll have an opportunity to kind of chime in on what I think should be taken place.

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02:25:51,870 --> 02:25:55,390
But I do think that we've seen a little bit of a shift in education.

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02:25:56,030 --> 02:26:01,870
I think that a lot of what I think is propaganda that has been put out has been debunked.

1477
02:26:03,150 --> 02:26:08,710
And, you know, somebody mentioned the MDR doesn't reduce carbon emissions.

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02:26:09,210 --> 02:26:12,830
The other thing that doesn't reduce carbon emissions is us leaving IMEA.

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02:26:13,190 --> 02:26:15,850
So I think people are starting to understand how the grid works.

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and so I'll save my rest of my comments for further discussion when there's a motion here.

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02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:30,050
Councilman Wilson. Thank you, Mayor. I guess a quick thing,

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02:26:31,130 --> 02:26:37,030
JC's does a snow-shoveling program. A guy's shovel snow for is homebound. One of the things he

1483
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:45,790
had massaged me about was his concern for, so I can't come to council meetings but please vote

1484
02:26:45,790 --> 02:26:52,390
to stay in IMEA I'm homebound I'm on a fixed income limited resources cost

1485
02:26:52,390 --> 02:26:53,330
is important to me.

1486
02:26:55,370 --> 02:26:58,830
The other one I guess would be directed at Joe Haas comparing

1487
02:26:58,830 --> 02:27:04,510
the $35 megawatt hour I presume that slides for me because he had emailed me

1488
02:27:04,510 --> 02:27:09,670
asking where I got that number from. Nestering some of their presentations gives

1489
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:18,930
site's Lazard when they presented directly in Lazard have it in front of me happy to share it later

1490
02:27:18,930 --> 02:27:27,690
the cost of generation when IMEA came here to speak to us that it was 30 between 30 and $35.

1491
02:27:28,210 --> 02:27:36,330
This aligns with what Lazard has for existing coal builds where I get that number from is

1492
02:27:36,330 --> 02:27:44,690
the production expenses divided by how much energy is produced looked at another

1493
02:27:44,690 --> 02:27:54,390
example from Sherborn County which is public available data filed in FERC. That

1494
02:27:54,390 --> 02:27:59,850
similarly is $29.91 megawatt an hour.

1495
02:28:02,190 --> 02:28:03,950
So this aligns well. I'd be happy to cite

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02:28:03,950 --> 02:28:08,210
other sources other counties which do cold generation. The problem with their

1497
02:28:08,210 --> 02:28:11,730
analysis is that they include things like transmission costs.

1498
02:28:14,410 --> 02:28:15,270
Which it doesn't

1499
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:18,450
make sense to do that because they vary and they're out of our control.

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With

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the with the MDR we would get Rex it's physically impossible to get unless you're

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02:28:27,630 --> 02:28:32,050
not living on the grid for those that aren't aware it's physically impossible to

1503
02:28:32,050 --> 02:28:42,290
get directed energy from a solar field, for example, to us because we get energy from

1504
02:28:42,290 --> 02:28:42,690
the grid.

1505
02:28:44,950 --> 02:28:49,910
And then I guess circling back to folks that say we're a wealthy community,

1506
02:28:50,110 --> 02:28:56,890
we can afford it, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, feel free to subsidize those that are

1507
02:28:56,890 --> 02:29:00,790
increase costs. So those are my comments. Thank you, Mayor.

1508
02:29:04,550 --> 02:29:05,490
Thank you, Councilman Kelly.

1509
02:29:06,350 --> 02:29:11,650
Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate everybody coming out. It's been a long road like

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02:29:11,650 --> 02:29:16,770
Maryland mentioned. This has been six, seven, eight years in the making to get to this point.

1511
02:29:17,630 --> 02:29:22,450
A lot of us have talked a lot about it. I've had comments in the past already. I don't really feel

1512
02:29:22,450 --> 02:29:26,710
the need to regurgitate everything, but I took some notes while some of the speakers presented

1513
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:31,790
tonight and just want to hit a few high level points as to why I'm thinking the way that I'm thinking

1514
02:29:31,790 --> 02:29:37,470
tonight and I kind of categorize some of the things that we know for certain, some things we don't

1515
02:29:37,470 --> 02:29:44,630
know for certain looking back and looking forward. Some things that we know I think that we can all

1516
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:48,890
agree on with certainty is that the kind and probably everybody in this room knows it but just for

1517
02:29:48,890 --> 02:29:54,010
the public who might be watching the contract we are currently in has nine more years on it no

1518
02:29:54,010 --> 02:29:56,370
no matter what we do tonight, that's locked in,

1519
02:29:56,430 --> 02:29:58,650
nothing's gonna change in terms of source

1520
02:29:58,650 --> 02:29:59,970
or in terms of cost of cost.

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02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:27,120
The cost might go up or down, depending on certain factors, but it's not going to be a result of any council vote tonight that cost won't be impacted. The reliability also is not going to change quite frankly for the next nine years or beyond that when we talk about turning on the lights, making sure the power comes on. That's a result of our municipally owned electric utility and PJM grid operator, not a result of where we buy our electrons from, whether that's IMEA or somewhere else.

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02:30:27,660 --> 02:30:29,680
What we don't know about, in my

1523
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:31,020
opinion, some important things that

1524
02:30:31,020 --> 02:30:33,240
we still don't know are the source

1525
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:36,320
or cost of IMEA's energy post-2035.

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02:30:36,780 --> 02:30:37,740
It's not in the contract.

1527
02:30:37,960 --> 02:30:38,540
We all know that.

1528
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,000
Any future potential bonds we've

1529
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:43,420
heard talk about, well, the bonds

1530
02:30:43,420 --> 02:30:44,820
will be paid off for the coal plant.

1531
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:47,680
That's probably true, but we don't

1532
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:48,860
know what will come after that.

1533
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:50,380
Either there could be carbon capture

1534
02:30:50,380 --> 02:30:51,280
we heard a reference to.

1535
02:30:51,420 --> 02:30:52,460
That would be a billion dollar

1536
02:30:52,460 --> 02:30:53,440
project, at least.

1537
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:59,020
Or if the coal plant does get decommissioned, they'll have to do something new.

1538
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:00,500
There'll have to be some generation, right?

1539
02:31:00,580 --> 02:31:02,780
So it's not as if the costs are just going to go away.

1540
02:31:03,800 --> 02:31:06,020
Siege may remain in place, it may not.

1541
02:31:06,280 --> 02:31:08,920
It may be modified, it may be sped up, it may be delayed.

1542
02:31:09,620 --> 02:31:13,280
We'll have at least one new president before this contract comes up.

1543
02:31:13,980 --> 02:31:17,540
New technologies may come in, supply and demand might change.

1544
02:31:17,640 --> 02:31:20,780
We've heard a lot, just recently, obviously the data center here in Naperville.

1545
02:31:20,780 --> 02:31:26,800
So the prevailing theory is demand is going to spike, supply is going to have a hard time

1546
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:27,320
keeping up.

1547
02:31:28,060 --> 02:31:29,220
And we don't know that for sure, right?

1548
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:30,260
The chips may change.

1549
02:31:30,480 --> 02:31:35,660
I listen to an interview on Bloomberg today with an utilities analyst who had the contrarian

1550
02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:43,360
view that demand is actually going to fire out, demand will, I'm sorry, supply will outweigh

1551
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:46,380
demand over the next 10 years for a variety of factors.

1552
02:31:46,500 --> 02:31:50,460
If you just look at the math of projects in the grid coming up versus what data centers

1553
02:31:50,460 --> 02:31:56,840
are actually going to need. We don't really don't. Looking back, you know, Councilman

1554
02:31:56,840 --> 02:32:00,240
Holsauer still some of my comments about entering into this contract when it first

1555
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:04,340
happened. Natural gas was volatile felt like a lot of risk. I understand why it was

1556
02:32:04,340 --> 02:32:08,800
done. Nuclear was not an option. Now nuclear is an option. Things have changed in

1557
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:13,480
that regard. I think over the life of the contract, it's pretty clear IMEA was

1558
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:17,000
more expensive. Right now, I think it's pretty clear IMEA is a little cheaper.

1559
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:24,600
It just seems to change over time we don't know how that's going to play out over the next 10 years let alone after 10 years 20 years after that

1560
02:32:25,260 --> 02:32:28,060
So I try to figure out where am I going to be looking forward

1561
02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:34,760
Knowing that in my opinion any prediction has to cost in 2035 you've got to take that with a very large grain of sand

1562
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:38,680
If anybody is very certain telling you it's going to be cheaper or more expensive

1563
02:32:39,140 --> 02:32:43,620
I I just I don't really believe it to be quite honest. I don't think anybody really knows

1564
02:32:44,500 --> 02:32:50,180
We are going to have exposure to the market if we're just an IMEA or if we just buy from the market.

1565
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:58,220
An alternative is power market, third-party power marketers, that would be a set price that locks it in.

1566
02:32:59,580 --> 02:33:05,480
So, last point in terms of looking forward, NDR, we've had conversation about that something I'm very interested in.

1567
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:10,540
That's why I was interested in the compromise, I credit the mayor for trying to go down that road.

1568
02:33:10,540 --> 02:33:13,800
My concern is the full requirement nature of the contract.

1569
02:33:14,280 --> 02:33:20,260
To me, it makes MDR really nothing more than a very expensive and glorified wreck, which I don't love.

1570
02:33:21,380 --> 02:33:36,580
If I may as listening for myself, I would be interested in continuing to talk if they were willing to modify that full requirement nature so that we could actually purchase third-party power and not just have it as a credit on our bill.

1571
02:33:36,580 --> 02:33:41,320
I don't know that the rest of the council is there through conversations that I've had.

1572
02:33:41,620 --> 02:33:45,380
And so I don't think we have a really cohesive coherent Councilman, you can wrap it up.

1573
02:33:45,500 --> 02:33:46,720
I will wrap it up, yeah.

1574
02:33:47,700 --> 02:33:48,100
Position.

1575
02:33:48,360 --> 02:33:53,340
And so I don't really see how we can direct staff to negotiate to the agenda item.

1576
02:33:54,020 --> 02:33:55,660
I've got a motion I could make mayor.

1577
02:33:55,740 --> 02:33:57,580
I don't know if you want that now or later.

1578
02:33:57,980 --> 02:33:58,140
Sure.

1579
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:02,760
So I can get into more detail if there's more conversation.

1580
02:34:02,760 --> 02:34:08,400
but I think where I'm at I hope is clear and if things do change from a staff perspective

1581
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:13,320
with IMEA I hope you bring it to us and we have that conversation but at this point I would move

1582
02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:19,500
to direct city staff to pause formal negotiations with IMEA regarding a contract extension and less

1583
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:24,960
a majority of city council members direct staff to re-engage in such negotiations. Is there a second?

1584
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:31,360
second. Second, old tower. Motion and second discussion and Councilwoman Gibson.

1585
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:36,080
Yes, thank you mayor. I want to take a minute to acknowledge that this is a

1586
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:40,480
really complicated issue and to echo Councilman Hall's Howard's points. I really

1587
02:34:40,480 --> 02:34:43,820
appreciate everybody who came out on all sides of the discussion.

1588
02:34:46,020 --> 02:34:46,800
It's very

1589
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:52,300
important to our day-to-day life here in Naperville that our lights turn on and a

1590
02:34:52,300 --> 02:34:55,840
A big part of that is thanks to our Napro electric utility,

1591
02:34:56,200 --> 02:34:57,540
Director Garoth and his team.

1592
02:34:57,720 --> 02:35:02,060
We're really lucky to have a reliable city-owned electric utility.

1593
02:35:03,160 --> 02:35:06,260
But where we're buying our actual electricity from?

1594
02:35:06,660 --> 02:35:08,920
There's a lot of decisions we need to wake carefully,

1595
02:35:09,440 --> 02:35:10,840
cost, environmental sustainability,

1596
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:13,700
reliability, long-term risk,

1597
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:17,080
and the flexibility in a rapidly changing market

1598
02:35:17,540 --> 02:35:19,640
to choose what's best for our city.

1599
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:25,120
And, again, reasonable people can disagree on how much weight we should put on to each of

1600
02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:25,640
those factors.

1601
02:35:26,380 --> 02:35:30,660
And that's why it's important we have these discussions up here in our community, the

1602
02:35:30,660 --> 02:35:33,480
public comments, and that we respectfully have these discussions.

1603
02:35:34,560 --> 02:35:38,760
And I recognize I, you know, I know all of my colleagues have spent a lot of time on this.

1604
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:41,340
I'm not going to sit here and say I've spent more, I've spent less.

1605
02:35:41,720 --> 02:35:47,440
I think, you know, as leaders in our community, we have an obligation to respectfully discuss

1606
02:35:47,440 --> 02:35:53,460
this and listen to each other's points of view and not disparage people who just might put

1607
02:35:53,460 --> 02:35:59,040
different weight on different aspects of this decision. So for me, the central question has been

1608
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:04,020
whether it's prudent to make this decades-long commitment for our city before our needs,

1609
02:36:04,380 --> 02:36:09,960
Naperville's needs, dictate that we make this decision and tie our hands for the next three years.

1610
02:36:09,960 --> 02:36:15,760
I understand why IMEA wants us to make a decision.

1611
02:36:16,300 --> 02:36:22,280
I appreciate the efforts by both IMEA and our Naperville staff to see if we could come

1612
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:28,960
to an agreement where IMEA can get the certainty they're looking for and Naperville would

1613
02:36:28,960 --> 02:36:35,680
get concessions or parts of an agreement that would make it worth our while to commit this

1614
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:40,260
soon to commit energy contract with IMEA through 2055.

1615
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:48,160
But regardless of IMEA's needs in this situation, my obligation is to the people of Naperville

1616
02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:51,740
and I just don't think we've got into that point with the contract negotiations.

1617
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:57,620
The contract has no cost guarantees, no early termination clauses, no flexibility in return

1618
02:36:58,460 --> 02:37:00,240
terms of the full requirements clause.

1619
02:37:01,860 --> 02:37:04,940
And I think we are in a rapidly changing market.

1620
02:37:04,940 --> 02:37:10,320
And if Naperville's needs don't dictate that we make this long-term decision now,

1621
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:15,780
we should wait until those needs dictate that we start looking at our future options.

1622
02:37:16,220 --> 02:37:18,080
I think our community deserves a plan.

1623
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:24,140
It deserves a thorough exploration of all the opportunities, not one that's dominated by one option.

1624
02:37:24,580 --> 02:37:26,720
And for those reasons, I think we should pause.

1625
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:29,280
I agree with Councilman Kelly's motion.

1626
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:32,620
I think we'll look to staff over the coming years.

1627
02:37:32,620 --> 02:37:35,580
the Q&A had some answers on the timeline we're looking at.

1628
02:37:36,600 --> 02:37:44,720
But I think this discussion should be done in a thorough way that explores all our opportunities on a timeline that makes sense for us, the people of Naperville.

1629
02:37:45,180 --> 02:37:45,580
Thank you.

1630
02:37:48,040 --> 02:37:58,860
My experience, I've learned that negotiation and patience and compromise aren't signs of weakness or how you get lasting, meaningful results when you have a strong bargaining position.

1631
02:37:59,620 --> 02:38:02,440
And I don't see what we gain by walking away now.

1632
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:08,520
Now, if we stop negotiations or discussions, let's just talk about discussions with IMEA.

1633
02:38:08,660 --> 02:38:14,020
We effectively lock ourselves and future councils into our current generation mix and cost

1634
02:38:14,020 --> 02:38:18,460
structure for nearly the next decade with no possibility of a change.

1635
02:38:18,980 --> 02:38:24,220
That limits Naperville's ability to reduce costs, adopt cleaner technology and respond to

1636
02:38:24,220 --> 02:38:26,040
a rapidly changing energy landscape.

1637
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:27,780
That's just the simple truth, folks.

1638
02:38:27,780 --> 02:38:36,860
There's been a lot of discussion about issuing an RFP and bidding out the role of IMEA considering the size of the contract that would likely occur in 2029.

1639
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:48,180
At a time when the recent Illinois Power Agency study just released back on December 15th said that the PGM interconnection is expected to see a capacity shortfall.

1640
02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:57,320
We're in that PGM zone hoping we have responsive bidders to an RFP during that time could be very difficult.

1641
02:38:57,320 --> 02:39:03,460
Just take, for example, the recent RFP for a carbon-free member-directed resource as well as RFP we

1642
02:39:03,460 --> 02:39:10,620
issued was much smaller than a full requirements power supply contract. The results were disappointing.

1643
02:39:11,580 --> 02:39:17,940
552 companies received our RFP broadcast only 34 of them actually downloaded the RFP

1644
02:39:17,940 --> 02:39:23,620
and of those only four tended responses with one that was truly responsive to the requirements

1645
02:39:23,620 --> 02:39:30,800
in the RFP and each of those carbon free proposals would increase our electric rates potentially

1646
02:39:30,800 --> 02:39:34,420
by a significant percentage if they were rolled out today.

1647
02:39:34,980 --> 02:39:41,560
That's a real example of an RFP process in the energy space for a top ranked triple A bonded city.

1648
02:39:42,120 --> 02:39:45,380
Hope is not a strategy, options are.

1649
02:39:47,260 --> 02:39:52,820
If there were an easy path where everyone got a win we would have taken it long ago but there isn't an easy solution to this.

1650
02:39:52,820 --> 02:39:57,500
I sincerely believe in the progress we've seen since my counter-proposal for negotiation

1651
02:39:57,500 --> 02:40:02,240
with IMEA was approved by a 7-2 vote from this council several months ago, and the rapid

1652
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:06,040
evolution in our nation's energy grid and infrastructure that Naperville is best off

1653
02:40:06,040 --> 02:40:12,300
by retaining optionality and flexibility, those things we lose when we rush to achieve an

1654
02:40:12,300 --> 02:40:12,640
outcome.

1655
02:40:13,380 --> 02:40:18,640
That's why I will vote to continue our city's conversations with the IMEA.

1656
02:40:18,640 --> 02:40:23,720
We can and should work to achieve compromises at strength in our community make no mistake

1657
02:40:23,720 --> 02:40:27,600
This is not an ask to actively bargain to last and final or impasse

1658
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:33,020
But rather just keep the discussions open knowing that our conversations have netted progress

1659
02:40:33,020 --> 02:40:37,580
And maybe will even net more progress over time

1660
02:40:38,200 --> 02:40:44,660
By keeping those conversations open and working in good faith we can keep fighting for real change and outcomes that's securely

1661
02:40:44,660 --> 02:40:49,820
affordability, secure affordability, and our local economy, improved environmental sustainability,

1662
02:40:50,140 --> 02:40:56,160
and maintain the high reliability our electric utility is known for, that families and businesses rely on.

1663
02:40:56,880 --> 02:41:02,180
The best way to achieve the balanced resolution of affordability, reliability, and sustainability is to keep working at it.

1664
02:41:02,480 --> 02:41:08,360
And not to close the door on a decision that affects our largest operational cost for the next decade.

1665
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:12,140
I'll always work to improve this city.

1666
02:41:12,140 --> 02:41:18,340
I always stand up for the families and businesses who trust us to secure the best possible deal on their behalf

1667
02:41:19,080 --> 02:41:20,040
Councilman McBrune

1668
02:41:21,340 --> 02:41:22,360
Thank you mayor

1669
02:41:23,660 --> 02:41:25,620
You know, I appreciate

1670
02:41:26,420 --> 02:41:36,140
Council McKellys kind of softening the language of the agenda item and kind of softening the posture of this a lot of what this conversation has been

1671
02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:42,120
You know when you understand markets and you understand how the grid works

1672
02:41:42,140 --> 02:41:50,960
works. We don't, we're not in a leveraged position. The IMEA members, and we pretend like

1673
02:41:50,960 --> 02:41:54,200
there's some big company that's coming after us trying to get our business. These are

1674
02:41:54,200 --> 02:41:59,900
communities that we've been in business with for a long time, who are asking us if we

1675
02:41:59,900 --> 02:42:06,860
want to have a seat at the table during a seismic shift and renewables and commitments

1676
02:42:06,860 --> 02:42:09,160
to get to net zero in 2050.

1677
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:12,940
I've heard people call IMEA attorney salesmen.

1678
02:42:13,480 --> 02:42:16,120
There's been accusations of deception.

1679
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:19,480
And so I do have a real concern

1680
02:42:19,480 --> 02:42:22,020
that we're teetering on burning a bridge.

1681
02:42:22,540 --> 02:42:24,580
If I was one of one of these communities

1682
02:42:24,580 --> 02:42:26,540
and I saw some of these meetings,

1683
02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:29,020
I might tell Naperville to go pound sand.

1684
02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:33,020
They certainly have a financial incentive to do so.

1685
02:42:33,020 --> 02:42:38,840
But, you know, we got a letter from Kevin Gaden, who's retiring soon from IMEA,

1686
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:40,720
Super Professional.

1687
02:42:41,540 --> 02:42:46,120
I mean, I think that the employees who are our employees, they work for us.

1688
02:42:46,120 --> 02:42:51,580
I think they're professional, and I think that they are going to continue to serve our needs.

1689
02:42:52,480 --> 02:42:56,660
Even if we tell them that we're not going to work with them in the future, they made a commitment to us.

1690
02:42:56,660 --> 02:43:00,540
So, you know, I do think the motion, however,

1691
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:03,220
is a kick the can a little bit.

1692
02:43:04,020 --> 02:43:05,720
You know, you guys all read the same information

1693
02:43:05,720 --> 02:43:10,440
we did, energy shortages are coming in 2009, 2030.

1694
02:43:11,220 --> 02:43:13,680
That's the position that has been suggested

1695
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:17,160
or has been suggested, is that we go to market at that time.

1696
02:43:17,260 --> 02:43:19,660
We start looking for another provider,

1697
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:25,520
a for-profit entity during an energy shortage.

1698
02:43:29,360 --> 02:43:34,400
But I do think we've benefited a little bit from community education and if this goes

1699
02:43:34,400 --> 02:43:38,980
on longer, I think people just get more educated, so I'm kind of inclined to support the

1700
02:43:38,980 --> 02:43:39,300
pause.

1701
02:43:40,460 --> 02:43:45,200
But, you know, mayor, your statement, you're 100% right, you're 100% right.

1702
02:43:45,460 --> 02:43:48,460
We should continue the relationship, the conversations.

1703
02:43:49,860 --> 02:43:54,420
So you kind of flip me back to, I don't think I'm going to support the pause, but I do appreciate

1704
02:43:54,420 --> 02:44:01,300
the softening of the language there and we'll see what happens so thanks. Councilman Wilson second round.

1705
02:44:04,120 --> 02:44:10,740
Turn your microphone off. There we go thank you. To Councilman Kelly's motion I was

1706
02:44:10,740 --> 02:44:20,960
wondering if you'd be open to I don't know what the right phrase amending this to perhaps holding

1707
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:30,540
off on this vote until we heard from I guess another stakeholder that being IMEA and I say that

1708
02:44:30,540 --> 02:44:36,740
because we've heard from a lot of stakeholders. We've got an email from residents folks here that

1709
02:44:36,740 --> 02:44:44,680
want to continue with IMEA from heard folks from NUS at PUAB board meetings. We've heard from various

1710
02:44:44,680 --> 02:44:50,940
consultants but the one entity I guess you could say that we haven't heard from

1711
02:44:51,820 --> 02:44:57,640
publicly is IME itself the one we're negotiating. So I wanted to see if you'd be

1712
02:44:57,640 --> 02:44:59,800
open to amending that motion.

1713
02:45:00,050 --> 02:45:09,550
And to, I guess holding off, I don't know what the right term here would be until we've heard from IMEA.

1714
02:45:13,180 --> 02:45:32,920
Councilman Kelly? Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate the thought, but I would say no. I would not want to change the motion to account for that. To the mayor's point, I think certainly there will be conversations. I think there has to be conversations. We work with them. Our electric utility director is the vice president of IMEA.

1715
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:38,100
he's down there for the board meetings. They will be in communication. And part of the point of

1716
02:45:38,100 --> 02:45:43,600
the motion, the end of it certainly was that if a majority of city council members direct staff

1717
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:48,660
otherwise we can bring this back at any moment in time. So my expectation is there will be some

1718
02:45:48,660 --> 02:45:54,020
conversations. If staff thinks there's a material change in an IMEA's position I would hope they

1719
02:45:54,020 --> 02:45:58,000
would bring that to us whether that's Friday confidential managers, remember random whatever the

1720
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:03,380
format might be, and if staff gathers from council that there might be an opening to

1721
02:46:03,380 --> 02:46:08,340
having a more formal negotiation, all for it, but I don't think I want to just leave

1722
02:46:08,340 --> 02:46:12,520
it open-ended and who knows when they're going to come what that would look like.

1723
02:46:12,980 --> 02:46:19,800
I think for all the meetings we've had we need a little bit of a resolution at this point

1724
02:46:19,800 --> 02:46:24,400
in time, not that it has to be final, final, final, but I don't want to leave it open more

1725
02:46:24,400 --> 02:46:24,720
tonight.

1726
02:46:24,720 --> 02:46:28,900
So appreciate the thought, but I would like to keep the motion as it is.

1727
02:46:30,540 --> 02:46:31,960
Councilwoman Gibson, second round.

1728
02:46:32,580 --> 02:46:33,420
Yes, thank you.

1729
02:46:33,540 --> 02:46:34,560
I just want to clarify.

1730
02:46:34,940 --> 02:46:37,020
I mean, maybe this is a question from Mr. Krieger.

1731
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:41,740
But I don't want the public to think we haven't been talking with IMEA.

1732
02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:50,080
You know, we've in this body had a 7-2 vote to give IMEA a list of, you know, the 10 things that are important to us.

1733
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:56,620
an IME, IMEA did respond. That is in the packet. It's not like IMEA has been excluded

1734
02:46:56,620 --> 02:47:01,440
from this discussion. We've had plenty of rounds of contract negotiations with them.

1735
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:06,140
And I think that's why we've given our list of what we would like to see that would make

1736
02:47:06,140 --> 02:47:11,880
it worth our while to renew early. IMEA said, you know, some of these we can somewhat meet,

1737
02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:16,820
some of these we can meet, some of these we definitely can't meet. And that is why I think

1738
02:47:16,820 --> 02:47:21,980
now is the appropriate time to say all right we talked we tried to see if we could come to common

1739
02:47:21,980 --> 02:47:28,000
terms we don't think we're there so we're going to make decisions based on a timeline appropriate for

1740
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:28,440
our needs.

1741
02:47:33,240 --> 02:47:36,920
Councilman Hozar second round thank you mayor I'll make this really quickly just as a second

1742
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:45,940
on the motion. I do want to make it clear you know I don't agree with the framing of Councilman

1743
02:47:45,940 --> 02:47:47,840
and Kelly's motion that it's softening anything.

1744
02:47:50,100 --> 02:47:52,540
IMEA said no to neighborhood requirements.

1745
02:47:52,960 --> 02:47:54,480
Okay, I want to be really clear about that.

1746
02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:58,180
They said it publicly, they did not agree with the terms

1747
02:47:58,180 --> 02:47:59,880
that neighborhood sent out.

1748
02:48:00,480 --> 02:48:02,640
We are taking that and saying we want to explore

1749
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:03,820
other options, okay?

1750
02:48:04,100 --> 02:48:05,400
I want to be clear about that signal.

1751
02:48:06,140 --> 02:48:10,240
I do not envision this being a sole source procurement

1752
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:13,120
where we continue for another six months or a year

1753
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,100
with the assumption that this is the one entity

1754
02:48:15,100 --> 02:48:17,980
we're negotiating with, so I'm just putting that out there. Thank you, Mayor.

1755
02:48:19,560 --> 02:48:21,820
Councilman Sajad. Thank you, Mayor.

1756
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:32,920
I'm so happy to see you all so engaged, committed, so passionate about IMMA.

1757
02:48:33,580 --> 02:48:40,840
I met a lot of people in last four years talking about IMMA at POAB meetings,

1758
02:48:40,840 --> 02:48:44,880
meetings, city council meetings, and also at different events.

1759
02:48:46,060 --> 02:48:51,960
In the last four years, I really have learned about IMEA, thanks to you all, the people

1760
02:48:51,960 --> 02:48:57,200
who are supporting and the people who are opposing, thanks to everyone, because you have that

1761
02:48:57,200 --> 02:49:04,240
passion, and you have taught me a lot of things about IMEA, and thank you to you all, first

1762
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:04,420
thing.

1763
02:49:04,420 --> 02:49:10,680
I have a question for Director, Director, how long we have been negotiating with IMEA?

1764
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:14,810
Director Growth.

1765
02:49:15,490 --> 02:49:20,830
Director Growth Electric Utility Director, we received the offer from IMEA in February

1766
02:49:20,830 --> 02:49:27,950
of 2024, and at the Direction of Council we began negotiating with IMEA in August of this

1767
02:49:27,950 --> 02:49:28,130
year.

1768
02:49:28,610 --> 02:49:30,170
Yeah, so thank you so much.

1769
02:49:30,170 --> 02:49:38,270
So, since 2024 we have been talking about IME, we have been discussing issues plus minus

1770
02:49:38,270 --> 02:49:44,350
everything what we have been talking about, but we have not moved an inch to take a decision.

1771
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:47,810
How long we will continue talking about this thing?

1772
02:49:48,370 --> 02:49:51,550
And for me, it looks like we are doing a lip service.

1773
02:49:52,130 --> 02:49:56,870
We are not justifying ourselves as city council members, as staff, as community.

1774
02:49:57,370 --> 02:49:58,890
We need to take some decisions.

1775
02:49:59,570 --> 02:50:03,910
Maybe it is hard, some tough decisions, and that's what you know,

1776
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:08,570
neighbor is famous for, that we take very hard decisions, tough decisions,

1777
02:50:08,950 --> 02:50:10,010
and others follow us.

1778
02:50:10,850 --> 02:50:16,970
So, in last four years, I have attended many workshops, meetings,

1779
02:50:16,990 --> 02:50:18,210
and all those things, you know.

1780
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:22,310
And I made up my mind that today we need to take a decision.

1781
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:27,030
If we extend, then again for next one year, two years,

1782
02:50:27,030 --> 02:50:32,210
three years will continue and we have got time today, nine years till we have

1783
02:50:32,210 --> 02:50:37,610
got, we are not shutting down the doors, still director will be representing us

1784
02:50:37,610 --> 02:50:43,190
and we are part of the IME as of now but my only concern is that without

1785
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:49,730
looking for any other options, why are we getting into IME right now? So as a

1786
02:50:49,730 --> 02:50:55,090
person, I want options. See, if I don't like something, I will look for next option

1787
02:50:55,090 --> 02:50:56,710
and second, third, fourth option.

1788
02:50:57,210 --> 02:50:59,810
Can we work together to get that options

1789
02:51:00,280 --> 02:51:02,990
and take decision, what is best for Niperville,

1790
02:51:03,390 --> 02:51:04,110
best for community?

1791
02:51:04,810 --> 02:51:09,030
So I will be supporting Councilman Kelly's motion

1792
02:51:09,480 --> 02:51:11,530
so that we can look for different options

1793
02:51:11,530 --> 02:51:14,930
and then come to a conclusion so that we take care

1794
02:51:14,930 --> 02:51:16,630
of the community as well as city.

1795
02:51:17,530 --> 02:51:17,970
Thank you.

1796
02:51:21,070 --> 02:51:21,830
Councilor Boyle.

1797
02:51:24,270 --> 02:51:24,950
Thank you, Mayor.

1798
02:51:25,270 --> 02:51:26,910
And I want to just thank everyone

1799
02:51:26,910 --> 02:51:36,350
one who came out to speak tonight, and also want to thank the many volunteers who have given their personal time and pursuit of the best solution for our community.

1800
02:51:37,350 --> 02:51:52,130
Our residents on the PUA B Commission and the Nest Task Force and other community organizations have spent countless hours working through these issues to present a thoughtful input and also good recommendations.

1801
02:51:53,130 --> 02:51:59,710
Additionally, our city staff has endured many questions I know you have, and quite frankly

1802
02:51:59,710 --> 02:52:04,590
at times a lack of direction from the council, but I appreciate the patience you all have

1803
02:52:04,590 --> 02:52:07,110
shown throughout this process as well.

1804
02:52:07,770 --> 02:52:13,550
At the end of the day, I believe we share the same goal that is providing our community

1805
02:52:13,550 --> 02:52:18,370
with power that's efficient, environmentally responsible, reliable, and affordable.

1806
02:52:18,370 --> 02:52:29,210
Since this process began, we have been inundated with data, opinions and forecast projecting 20 to 30 years into the future.

1807
02:52:30,090 --> 02:52:35,870
Even the most seasoned experts struggle to predict conditions that far out.

1808
02:52:36,590 --> 02:52:39,090
That's why I returned to a fundamental principle.

1809
02:52:39,650 --> 02:52:44,790
When the city makes major purchases exceeding whatever the threshold might be,

1810
02:52:44,790 --> 02:52:49,910
We see competitive pricing, safety, quality, and value.

1811
02:52:51,900 --> 02:52:56,440
We are discussing a multi-billion dollar contract.

1812
02:52:57,040 --> 02:53:03,860
Think about that, a multi-billion dollar contract that could extend all the way out through 2050.

1813
02:53:04,780 --> 02:53:12,180
One that could effectively lock us in and limit our flexibility to respond to future market changes.

1814
02:53:12,180 --> 02:53:19,920
in a decision of this magnitude, I believe it is essential that we follow our standard procurement

1815
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:28,560
practices. In my opinion, we should issue an RFP and an RFQ to identify the most responsible

1816
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:36,980
and cost effective providers capable of supplying power to our community. This process should be

1817
02:53:36,980 --> 02:53:43,400
open to multiple organizations, including IMEA, if they choose to participate as well.

1818
02:53:44,500 --> 02:53:50,280
But before we do that, I think it's important that we define what our priorities are,

1819
02:53:50,940 --> 02:53:54,320
and we do come up with a strategy for our energy.

1820
02:53:55,690 --> 02:54:06,760
I appreciate Mr. Stark's recommendation as far as having our director lead the discussion

1821
02:54:06,760 --> 02:54:09,040
and as far as developing that strategy,

1822
02:54:09,540 --> 02:54:11,320
I think that's a pretty good idea.

1823
02:54:11,640 --> 02:54:14,140
However, I do think we're probably a few years early,

1824
02:54:14,600 --> 02:54:17,820
given what I've spoken to other council members,

1825
02:54:17,820 --> 02:54:21,440
as well as staff, that we probably are mayor

1826
02:54:21,440 --> 02:54:22,560
and others have said it.

1827
02:54:22,940 --> 02:54:25,920
Probably about 2029 or so in those discussions,

1828
02:54:26,420 --> 02:54:27,860
probably need to take place.

1829
02:54:27,860 --> 02:54:30,180
If we do it too soon, the technology,

1830
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:32,140
the good chance of it will change.

1831
02:54:32,320 --> 02:54:35,540
We see how things are changing so quickly in this market.

1832
02:54:35,540 --> 02:54:38,080
So that's kind of where I'm landing with this.

1833
02:54:38,760 --> 02:54:42,940
I appreciate all the great discussion and the passion

1834
02:54:42,940 --> 02:54:45,860
that everyone in this room, including those up here

1835
02:54:45,860 --> 02:54:48,200
on the diets have shown so that we can get

1836
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:49,720
the best decision for our community.

1837
02:54:50,340 --> 02:54:50,640
Thank you.

1838
02:54:51,680 --> 02:54:52,200
Councilman Jane.

1839
02:54:52,820 --> 02:54:53,620
Thank you, Mayor.

1840
02:54:54,780 --> 02:54:58,000
Just a question to kind of reiterate and clarify

1841
02:54:58,420 --> 02:55:01,460
what has been alluded to as the year 2029.

1842
02:55:01,460 --> 02:55:04,140
I know this question was posed on the Q&A,

1843
02:55:04,140 --> 02:55:33,260
But if I could direct a question to Director Grah about how that number was calculated and is that a hard number should you should you monitor trends and feel concerned that it may be going in a direction where you know prices are much higher might you be able to might you suggest that we should start looking earlier could that scenario play out Director growth.

1844
02:55:35,080 --> 02:55:40,600
Brian growth electric utility director addressing the two items in the Q&A one is the state

1845
02:55:40,600 --> 02:55:46,980
mandated integrated resource planning that IMEA has to begin they will likely start

1846
02:55:46,980 --> 02:55:51,080
that this year it will take probably a year or two years to get through that process and

1847
02:55:51,080 --> 02:55:56,140
that talks about how they will serve their load through 2035 at this point they do not

1848
02:55:56,140 --> 02:56:01,140
have a contract from neighborhood or st. Charles so they will not plan for that load past

1849
02:56:01,140 --> 02:56:04,700
September 30th, 2035, which is their contractual obligation.

1850
02:56:05,180 --> 02:56:09,640
The second part of that, and IMEA is looking into this right now, is the pseudotide.

1851
02:56:09,900 --> 02:56:16,620
So Prairie State is financially tied to PJM to serve load up here, primarily when that

1852
02:56:16,620 --> 02:56:23,460
cost St. Charles, Naperville, and that is a financial instrument that allows them to bid Prairie

1853
02:56:23,460 --> 02:56:26,620
State into the PJM market, even though it's located in MISO.

1854
02:56:26,620 --> 02:56:34,020
And so if Naperville is not with IMEA, they do not need that pseudotai, and they would

1855
02:56:34,020 --> 02:56:35,320
look to break that pseudotai.

1856
02:56:36,740 --> 02:56:39,240
It's not exactly clear as to what timeline is.

1857
02:56:39,260 --> 02:56:44,560
I've heard six to seven years be thrown around, but that's not based in anything other than

1858
02:56:44,560 --> 02:56:48,320
what people remember when they got the pseudotais in place to serve us.

1859
02:56:48,720 --> 02:56:55,280
So I expect IMEA will be looking into some more exact time frames around hard decisions

1860
02:56:55,280 --> 02:56:59,060
that will have to make about what they can serve the load or not, and some of those decisions

1861
02:56:59,060 --> 02:56:59,940
are irreversible.

1862
02:57:00,440 --> 02:57:05,840
And what about the timeline for us if we were to look for alternative options?

1863
02:57:06,280 --> 02:57:10,300
When would that actively need to take place?

1864
02:57:10,940 --> 02:57:11,300
Certainly.

1865
02:57:12,120 --> 02:57:18,880
Wide range of options as outlined by CES, some options, for example, building our own generation

1866
02:57:19,480 --> 02:57:22,400
met with a couple of generators, builders.

1867
02:57:23,300 --> 02:57:29,160
I know Waterloo, one of the IMEA member towns, put it in a natural gas turbine.

1868
02:57:29,640 --> 02:57:31,140
They were about an eight year lead time.

1869
02:57:32,260 --> 02:57:36,360
So building our own resources is probably an eight to ten year horizon.

1870
02:57:37,260 --> 02:57:39,960
Contracting with the power marketer is probably one to two years.

1871
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:45,580
The indications that they've given us in our conversations is probably on the shorter side.

1872
02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:50,600
In there is staffing up and performing the functions that IMEA does for us.

1873
02:57:51,460 --> 02:57:54,760
Obviously staffing takes time, getting people on board,

1874
02:57:55,800 --> 02:58:02,180
you know, doing regression testing to the market where the trades right was the execution, you know, financially responsible.

1875
02:58:02,580 --> 02:58:05,460
So I would say anywhere from 8 to 10 years, all the way up to two years.

1876
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:08,540
Okay, thank you. Thank you, Director.

1877
02:58:08,720 --> 02:58:15,180
I asked this question because I think that timeline contextualizes the pause.

1878
02:58:15,180 --> 02:58:21,580
like what you know what do we mean by the pause and how long do we hold the pause and then

1879
02:58:21,580 --> 02:58:28,360
will staff be alerting us to a point where council will need to perhaps by majority bring the

1880
02:58:28,360 --> 02:58:33,720
discussion back I think those are some logistical questions that I that I have on on the process but

1881
02:58:33,720 --> 02:58:41,540
I also believe part of there's a part of the discussion that may not have touched on costs

1882
02:58:41,540 --> 02:59:05,040
with ongoing discussion meaning the time it's taking our staff to keep engaging in these discussion hasn't been something that's been referred to I think the pause allows us to let it sit for a little bit and then possibly look at alternative options and bring it back in a more timely, timely fashion.

1883
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:09,060
So it's just just a few points that I wanted to bring up.

1884
02:59:11,420 --> 02:59:19,220
Councilman Kelly do you want to repeat your motion actually you've hit your third so you've

1885
02:59:19,220 --> 02:59:19,720
exceeded your

1886
02:59:21,800 --> 02:59:24,020
councilman Kelly repeat your motion.

1887
02:59:24,300 --> 02:59:32,100
I move to direct city staff to pause formal negotiations with IMEA regarding a contract

1888
02:59:32,100 --> 02:59:37,320
extension and less a majority of city council members direct staff to re-engage in such

1889
02:59:37,320 --> 02:59:41,100
negotiations. Okay, we have a motion and a second roll call.

1890
02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:42,780
Holds our aye.

1891
02:59:43,620 --> 02:59:48,840
Jane. Yes. Kelly. Aye. McBrown. No. Say it. Aye.

1892
02:59:49,300 --> 02:59:57,160
White. Aye. Wilson. No. Morley. No. Gibson. Aye. Motion passes 6-3.

1893
03:00:02,380 --> 03:00:25,820
Final item tonight is new business, as a reminder, new business is for items this council is asking staff to bring on a future agenda for motions to reconsider or for motions to reconsider, past city council votes. Do any council members have any item for new business? Seeing none may have a motion to adjourn, Councilman White. Motion to adjourn. Councilman Kelly. Second Kelly. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? We are adjourned.

1894
03:00:25,820 --> 03:00:26,600
Alright.

1895
03:00:31,440 --> 03:00:32,820
Commit it.

1896
03:00:32,820 --> 03:00:33,660
What is it?

1897
03:00:33,700 --> 03:00:34,100
What is it?

1898
03:00:34,300 --> 03:00:35,240
What is it?

1899
03:00:35,240 --> 03:00:35,240
What

1900
03:00:39,470 --> 03:00:40,310
is it?