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We'll say the council meeting of June 27th to order, scheduled by July 10th.

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Take the roll, please. Mayor Hamken here, council member Alder.

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I'll swim for Isomper here.

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I'll swim for London.

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Yes.

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Let's swim for Hof.

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Thank you.

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I'm also to prove the regular meeting minutes of June 13.

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So moved.

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The second that we prove the regular meeting minutes of June 13.

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Any discussion?

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Sign up.

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Take the vote.

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I'll swim for Elder.

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I'll swim for Isomper.

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Yes.

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That's member London.

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Yes.

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I'll swim for Hof.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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At this time we have an open form.

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Anyone wishing to address the council.

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on a matter that is not on this agenda may do so at the site and I'm going to ask you to

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sign make sure you sign in with either an email or a phone number so that the police department

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or the community development folks can get a hold of you if they need to and keep your comments

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in three minutes if you could please.

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Thank you. My name is Evan Swanson. Say it again. My name is Evan Swanson.

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Thank you. I live it 3 9 4 9 list constantly. And then I've been in correspondence with

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going to be already this week and over the last month. So if I look and sound tired today,

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because I am very tired. I'm tired because I lay awake and I worry. I'm tired because I get a

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sinking feeling in my stomach when I turn on my block. I'm tired because I worry every day from my

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from my wife's safety to the safety of my neighbors.

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One year ago tomorrow, the former owner of my home bar came to you and told you all that

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the house next door had become scary, really scary.

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You can re-watch them eating yourself, the Steak Council,

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archives are online June 27, 2021.

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Regretfully, my wife and I were unaware of the city archives when we purchased our first home.

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We were so elated that we could finally buy and afford a home, and we thought we found a place to start a family.

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Now I keep an Excel sheet. Calculating how many days I have to live in New Hope before I can afford the cell.

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You are all aware of the property issues of 395-7 in this continent.

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Last year, Mayor Hempkin respectfully asked that the citizens who came and assembled gathered

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that they not repeat the same story over and over again, which is a fair request.

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I have the same request, not to live the same story over and over again every few days,

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every few weeks.

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The swearing and shouting next door keeps us from drawing our deck, and sometimes even

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inside of our own home.

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A window was knocked out of the second story a week ago, and he is yet to be replaced,

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ladders, and old windows sit in the backyard on attended.

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The lawn and the building are going into disrepair.

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And if you don't care about me or my wife, but I would ask you to think about the individuals

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at the property.

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How could anyone live or rehabilitate in that environment?

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And here to tell you that I'm not opposed to group homes.

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I have a little sister with mental disabilities and I can only imagine what would happen to her if she didn't have family to take care of her.

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I'm not here so you can reassure me the things are being done.

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I do not need to be reminded that it's complicated and that there are many departments involved.

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I know that there are county licenses and city licenses and laws that give us due process

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and that there's much consideration that goes into these properties.

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And here to ask you to put yourselves in my shoes,

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I want you to ask yourself, this is the type of city you want,

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one where the newest residents fear for the safety,

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and want to sell before integrating themselves into the community.

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Do you really think we will stay in a house where we feel uncomfortable

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with a shouting and the property are falling apart?

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Do you think we tell our friends when their house is going up for sale in our neighborhood?

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I'm here tonight to ask you specifically the City Council and Mayor Hemkin to advocate for me and my wife for the residents of the home.

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Next door. And for the rest of our neighbors in the community, is it complicated, yes? Are there legal considerations, yes?

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So, help me. Talk to the county, talk to the state. I know you have already, but I'm asking you again, because

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whether or not there's been anything done to date from where I live. It sure doesn't feel like it.

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So I've reached out to you all individually and I have an open invitation to any of you to discuss this ongoing issue.

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Our home is open if you would like to come sit on our back porch.

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I usually have to hold my breath when we have people over.

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When my sister and her three children are there,

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or when my wife comes up, or when my mother comes up to visit us.

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So that is my request for your help, for your advocacy.

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I know you're concerned already, but concern is not enough at this point.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Evan, did you leave the email address first?

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Well, okay.

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Thank you very much.

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I'm Jeff Harper.

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I'm Evan Staber.

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I was here last year.

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Jeff Harper.

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H-A-R-P-E-R.

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And I'd like to start by telling you how much I love live in a new world.

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Raise my three kids here.

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went to Armstrong. It's been good. It was not exaggerating.

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I mean, just a few examples.

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So let's just, let's just, so if I went out my backyard, the neighbor's wife is out there,

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and I threatened her in the most horrible, awful way possible. I would imagine something

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happen to me, right? I mean, shouldn't it? How about, you know, if the neighbors are having

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a party and kids are involved, and I'm out my backyard as a resident, and I decide it's too

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far to go inside to go to the bathroom. Public urination, right? Shouldn't something happen?

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Shouldn't something be done? No, this is from a year ago, but it continues.

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You know,

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side, my new neighbor's outside, wonderful young lady.

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And I'm going to try to make a little legal solicit

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drug sale, you know, or buy, you know, or what, you know,

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it's just, it's incontradible.

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So as a resident, nobody would put up with this.

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Not at all.

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I mean, and this is now 60 times they've been,

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we come home and the police are outside.

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Nobody's arguing, who comes.

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I will say this about this place.

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It's not private.

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It should have never been there.

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It should not be allowed to be there.

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They cannot keep within the walls what they're trying to do.

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The owner does not live in New Hope.

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It's run as a business and Evans correct, they don't.

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I mean, they have a plant that's been dead for three years and it's still hang

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up in the front of the house.

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And those are minor things.

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But I mean, threats, drug solicitation, public urination.

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My wife got chased out of the yard.

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Within two weeks ago with obscenities, you know, I don't say a lot, dad or her what?

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She's just out in the grass gardening. You know, beautiful backyard. Everybody gets along.

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All these rules that if I did any of this or my neighbor did any of this,

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there's no way. But this, why is this allowed? Why did they get a pass? And it's like heaven said y'all know it. You know, it's getting a pass.

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It's classified it's it's I got a lot of nice emails and please don't send me any more

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I don't want calls or letters because you know, it's all been polite

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Like the fact that matter is is it's being classified in a way that nobody wants to deal with it

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Nobody's gonna deal with it. It's been over a year

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People are selling their houses everybody is talking about we do we just need to move you're gonna let this one place that's owned by somebody that doesn't live in New Hope

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chase the whole neighborhood, hoping that other people will live in and put up with it.

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Now I'm getting angry again. I do what I just as I didn't want to speak.

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It just, I don't understand why if it's good for a resident, it should be good for this place.

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The owners should be held accountable.

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I mean, it's ridiculous. They knocked out the back window and a place that already, you can hear the conversations.

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I mean, if they're on their deck, it's a small consiguer that's accustomed to swear,

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And I could tell you to prepare them what they're saying when I'm out on my death.

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And I have a little dog that barks and I don't let it bark too much.

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I'm worried about what the neighbor's going to think.

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And when I walk by, there's another one down in the corner, I talk to the residents, they're

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wonderful.

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It's not that, it's the owner, it's the type of house, that's not private.

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The type of business they're trying to do there should be.

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It shouldn't be in Evan and Josie's living room or in last year.

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I think he really understood it.

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It would be nice to go back because when Barb came here at 85-year-old woman, my neighbor, for over 20 years.

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the most mellow, comperson, was terrified by the world's going on in that house.

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All is an individual, I think it's the owner.

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They put people in there and they don't do anything about it until they see if they fit.

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There's no work with the psychologist or the county or anybody to say this is someone that's going to work good in this house.

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We're going to get a landscaping place, we're going to cut the grass, we're going to make it look good.

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So it's nice for the people in there, they'll enjoy being there, they'll be good neighbors.

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And we've been told, you call 911 and I get the last time the policeman called me

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back and he was very nice on the phone, played.

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The suggestion was kind of that, you know, the weather's warm and up, so you should probably

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you know, expect to tolerate this, because we know all about it, nothing we can do or

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hands or time.

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Not exactly what I wanted here, when I called because someone's out there,

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and swearing, and I think there is throwing the

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identities out my wife.

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You know, I hear all the time, would you put up with this?

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I don't think anybody should have put up with this.

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Group homes are great.

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I spent 35 years as a service technician.

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We had contracts.

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I worked for a series of robots.

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I had contracts to do their entertainment,

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and their treadmills,

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and their microwaves, and their washing machines.

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You go on a most of them.

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They were well-run.

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People were polite.

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They had everybody.

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It was a nice home.

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There's many different definitions of the home.

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And I think the expectations should be the same for all of them.

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If my home, if I was so abusive inside my home,

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that the neighbors across the street could hear me with the windows closed,

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that should not be permitted.

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That's for a resonance, a group home, whatever.

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This particular place is not kept within the walls.

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And that always is the same thing.

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Well, you know, we went over there and knocked on the door,

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and everything seems okay.

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It's ridiculous.

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Just ridiculous. I believe there's been 60 calls in the last year. So, you know, let's, let's, let's, just please.

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I agree. Evan and Josie are a godson to me and my family because they're wonderful neighbors.

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I would love to be there in my retirement and watch them raise a family.

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But you know what? I'm probably going to move right behind them because I don't want to put up with it anymore.

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And everybody, you know, is allowing it.

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It's being allowed to happen, and it shouldn't be.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jim.

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I'm Carol Klein.

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I live at 394, eight Wisconsin.

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I have new.

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I'd rather not be here today talking to you,

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because I was here 365 days ago.

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And it's really saddened.

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I'm saddened.

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And disturbed is the fact that, for us,

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it seems like nothing has happened.

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Last night, I rewatched what we each said,

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spoke about, and a lot of things came up that I went, oh yeah, that's right. But I also

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really paid attention because all five of you are the same that we're here 364 days ago.

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So what I'd like to do is just remind you of the things that you spoke to us. Mayor,

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you said you want us to talk to you. You said we're trying to take care of these problems.

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You said it's not in your jurisdiction. You said you didn't know if they had a rental license

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but during the night it was confirmed they do and I do believe that they do.

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You said the notes that were being taken that night were going to be forwarded to the county.

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You also said something is happening.

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You took our email addresses and said you would give back to us, never did.

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Councilmember Elder, you believe that individuals need different allocations of needs.

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I completely agree with you on that.

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And I think this house is potentially exactly that.

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You said the notes would go to the legislature and to the county.

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You said that council and police departments are hearing us,

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and we'll do all it is possible.

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You said you need documentation that there are issues,

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so you encourage us to continue to call 911.

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We do, and we have.

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But nothing happens.

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The city has a relationship with the county, you said, so they can help.

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We want to help you, you said.

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And you said this is beyond disturbing.

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But you need to follow due process, we understand. Questions from those of us that were here that night, somebody said, what can we do to help? We are all saying, what can we do? We're not just saying, here it is, here's the problem. We're happy to help. We'll meet with whoever, talk with whoever. Somebody said, we're looking for your help.

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They said, the residents, they are need help. They aren't getting it. They need to be taken care of. All of us have expressed

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concerned with who's living there, we're very concerned for their well-being.

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Somebody asked to kind of encounter health and human services could attend the meeting.

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A word used was chaos, I think that defines it head-on.

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Somebody asked who else do we need to talk to?

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Not next year, not in six months, soon.

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But here we are, 365 days later.

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We care about people, special needs, need to be taken care of.

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People want something done.

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Somebody suggested we go to the media.

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We might be there.

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Jonathan London made a motion to look at revoke in the license.

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After discussion, everyone seemed to agree with that.

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You also asked if Frasier and Rest could be at a special meeting.

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This was later on in the meeting.

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Today I watched what you guys spoke after we walked out.

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So, Jonathan, you talked about that.

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Mary, you asked for a special vote.

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Once you had the info that you needed from the city attorney.

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You said, I don't want to wait for the next month for the meeting.

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If we have it, we can get the information and decide we want to do it now.

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You didn't even want to wait till the next meeting.

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But we hear we are a year later and nothing has happened.

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And then Jeff Sergeant had said he needed to ask the city attorney

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those questions.

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I personally have children 13 and 15.

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My 13 year old loves to shoot baskets.

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We have a basketball hoop.

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He's afraid to go up front.

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Even if I'm out there with him, that's not okay.

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And this might sign sound my new.

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But if I put my garbage can out four hours early,

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Or if I don't put it away tomorrow night before I go to bed, I'll get a letter.

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But these people do things way worse than that.

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But nothing seems to happen.

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And the frustrating part is, here we are, a year later, and for us nothing's changed.

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And something needs to.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Joe.

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Anyone else?

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Anybody want to talk about something besides Wisconsin Avenue?

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Okay.

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Well,

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then we'll move on to the presentation, presentation of an award, before I do that,

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let me just tell you, we typically take comment, we don't, we the council don't give

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comment back.

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We just don't, you know, we don't answer your questions about what we do take

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the comment and then we meet with the police chief in the city directorism. We're very frustrated

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Okay, five point one, the presentation of the Board of Excellence for the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association.

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Good evening Mayor, City Council.

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Thank you for having us here tonight.

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We'd like to bring forward item 5.1 and staff requests that the City Council accept this award of excellence from the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association.

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This award is being given to the City for the Civic Center Park and Pool Project and the Parks and Facilities category.

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Elizabeth Owens will present the award on behalf of the MRPA Awards Committee

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Welcome to Elizabeth and I'm Aaron Dillon recreation supervisor Parks and

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Recreation Jeff. Aaron. I didn't hear what you just said you'll last

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day. Yeah, thank you. Aaron Dillon recreation supervisor Parks and Recreation

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Recreation. Got it. Thank you. And Tony Porter's on Recreation

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Facility Supervisor Parks and Recreation.

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Good evening Mayor and council members. Thank

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very much for having me here tonight. I am Elizabeth Owens, and I'm here tonight

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representing Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association Awards Committee. This evening,

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it is my honor to present the Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association.

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In 2021, a word of excellence to the City of New Hope for the Civic Center Park and Pool project. Before I dig too much into that, I'd like to take a few minutes to tell you about Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association.

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Our association was formed in 1937 to foster the growth and development of the Parks and Recreation

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Profession.

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Presently, we have nearly 900 members throughout the entire state.

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Members of our association come from municipal, county, state, district, commercial, and private agencies.

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The Minnesota Recreation and Parks Awards Committee was created in 1987, with a purpose to acknowledge individual members and agencies for their excellence in the field of parks, recreation and leisure services.

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The awards of excellence, which is what I'm here to present tonight, is our annual program

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that recognizes agencies and their staff for an exceptional project that was either implemented

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in 2021 or receives substantial revisions. The awards of excellence program is presented by Minnesota

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recreation and parks association and proudly sponsored by our partner, Highway Credit Union.

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Association members may nominate a project for an award of excellence in seven

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different categories. Nominations are received, reviewed, evaluated, and scored by all of our committee

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This year we received 35 applications and only the top scoring nominations are selected to receive an award of excellence.

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This year, the Civic Center Park and Pool Project is receiving an award of excellence in the Park and Facility category.

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Whereas committee members were impressed with the stunning amenities, the beautiful design and the increase of park use.

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We were most impressed with the strategic planning process.

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The community relationships maximized and the community impact this exceptional park will have for years to come.

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I would be in this, if I did not think, Erin and Tony, for the time and the energy that

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they gave to this application and the nomination process.

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So, on behalf of Minnesota Recreation and Parks Associations Awards Committee, it is my pleasure

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tonight to present an award of excellence to the New Hope City Council for its award winning

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project, the Civic Center Park and Pool project.

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Thank you, Elizabeth, Mayor and Coltsville.

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Thank you very much for having us here.

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And what a project, as you all know,

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there was a lot that went into this project.

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And we couldn't do without you with staff, the engineers,

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the contractors, everyone made this such a beautiful facility.

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This whole area is just wonderful.

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And as you can tell on a day like today, it's busy.

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And that's exactly what I want to say.

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There's so many people enjoying themselves having fun.

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And we're just so proud of this project.

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So thank you.

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Tony, do you have anything to say?

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Do you want to talk about the 1,616 people we had?

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We could go Tuesday?

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Yeah.

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We've had a couple of record-breaking days this year.

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We served a lot of people since last year when we opened.

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I think it was about 46,000 people over the course of the last year.

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We're up to 15,000 this year, about 16,000.

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And just really happy to be able to serve that many people and employee that many employees

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and just get everyone out and join the park.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, guys.

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Okay.

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Let's move on to the consent business.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor.

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Council Tim White.

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I think City Manager and Chief of Police.

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We have seven consent items on tonight's agenda.

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item 6.1 involves Viking Licker, which is located at 71-41-42nd Avenue North, which

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was recently sold and the new owner is requesting approval of a tobacco license.

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The liquor license will be considered under 7.1.

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Also, the gas station at 9,436 Avenue North changed ownership, and the new owner is requesting approval

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of a gas station car wash into tackle licenses. All paperwork and fees have been received.

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Item 6.2 involved routine financial claims. Item 6.4, appoint selection judges for the elections as

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all in accordance with Minnesota state statutes.

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The city has eight precincts that require staffing level

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of four to 70 election judges per polling place.

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City Clerk valiant and I recommend approval.

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Item 6.5 accepts donations totaling $1,800 for the movies

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in the park and music in the park programs

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that are being offered during the summer of 2022.

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Sponsors include the U.S. Metro Fire Rescue Exillery,

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the New Hope Lions Club, Thrivent, the New Hope Women of today in Affinity Plus Credit Union,

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Directorator and I recommend acceptance of these donations.

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Item 6.6 accepts contributions totaling $400 from several organizations

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for the 2021-2020 to donate, make you wonder, and author series programs.

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New Hope Parks and Recreation Department, along with neighboring cities,

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response from monthly events that attract many older adults.

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Directorator and I recommend acceptance of these contributions.

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Item 6.7 authorizes Pub-42 with the assistance of the Lions Club to conduct

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liquor sales at the July 15th through 17th stop all tournaments at Victory Park

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and Northwood Park.

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Pub-42 holds an on sale liquor license and is eligible to dispense

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speaker at community festivals without any additional licenses per state statute.

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Last year, beer was sold at Victory Park in Arthur Park, and there were no incidents.

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Pub42 provided the necessary certificate of insurance, and the police department will

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be asked to conduct a compliance check to ensure there are no underage sales.

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The city clerk and I recommend approval.

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Item 6.8 approves waving the permit fees for temporary sign permit fees, and a special

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has a permit required for a tent, totaling $165.

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The Lions Club will be hosting the corn feed on August 10th from 4 p.m. to 830 p.m.

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at the parking lot in your lifetime fitness lot.

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Director Sergeant and I recommend approval.

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Any questions for Chief?

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Yes, thank you.

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Chief Hoyt, Acting City Manager of Hoyt, I guess, in the approval for the business licenses.

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Are you familiar at all, or maybe someone else, in terms of the data that we're receiving now?

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At one time, we used to receive some financial data.

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There used to be assets and liabilities along with when someone applied for a liquor license.

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Specifically, I can't remember what it was.

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New hope, liquor, or something.

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They are next to where the old coffee shop was.

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I remember, at the time.

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I don't see that with this application.

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So I'm just wondering if anything is changed,

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that you're aware of.

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That data that we receive for liquor licenses,

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that is back in my office.

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So I don't have it.

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I mean, we compile all the data as far as a number of calls

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that we have there.

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If we've had anything of importance that I need

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to tell the council, I don't have that with me,

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but I can get it for you.

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Okay, I just ask for consistency.

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And then on the six seven item,

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well, the compliance checks occur at both locations.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Can I get a motion on the consent business?

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I'll make a motion approving consent agenda item 6.16.26.4 through 6.8 second.

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We've been seconded that we approve the items on the consent business and the other discussion.

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Take a vote.

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Yes.

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That's number one.

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Yes.

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That's number one.

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Yes.

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Here I am, Ken.

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And Council member Alder.

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Thank you.

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7.1, a motion of proving in off-sale liquor license to sonar LLC doing business

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have biking liquor at 471-41-42nd, have you know it?

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At 7.1 is a public hearing to consider granting and off sale intoxicating liquor license

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to soon our LLC on Viking liquor.

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It's located at 7141-42nd Avenue, North.

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The business was recently sold to Rajeev Sunar.

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He is in attendance this evening and is here to answer questions by the council.

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The required background investigation was conducted, and there's...

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And nothing detrimental to report. The applicant understands the city's ordinance relative to compliance checks, and the 2022 license fee is pro-rated as followed by city ordinance.

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And the city clerk and I recommend approval. And Rajis is here.

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You'd like to come to the podium and give us your name and tell us what you're about to do.

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Hi, good evening everybody. My name is Rajasana, and I just moved from Atlanta over here.

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I'm just living in a salt-beez apartment right now. I've just recently moved over a week before.

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And I assume my family background is actually the business, and we still own the business.

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this, my family is taking care in the management and from the past also I have been doing

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business with my family business is going on right now and I have been doing business

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from Texas 2 and 2010s until now and that's all my family backgrounds and that's why I was trying

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to move here for New York because my cousin will live down here and that's why I was

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You must interest it on liquid business that I did before too, and I'm aware of the law

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of the liquid business, too, by selling the miners, and others too.

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So, we are very strict about selling alcohol and tobacco to miners.

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And we do compliance checks.

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And you don't want to have to stand in front of me and explain why you didn't comply.

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Yep.

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I'll go truck to stay on your parking lot.

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Yes, please.

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Any other questions?

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And Janet?

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Madam Mayor, thank you.

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Sooner or...

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I guess one of the things...

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Mr. Sooner.

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I was having a little trouble of understanding you.

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Did you say that you're wanting to move to New Hope?

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Where do you live now?

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I live in South Beach.

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My address is 42.73.

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46th Avenue now.

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in the Salad Bizepon Mint.

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Sorry, Salad Bizepon Mint is on the new.

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New, New, New.

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Okay, I apologize.

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All right, very good.

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I thought you were living somewhere else.

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And that's just really what I wanted to understand.

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Thank you, Salad.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Salad.

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So can I get a motion, too?

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Is there anyone in the audience that would like to address the session?

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Seeing that, can I get a motion to close the public hearing?

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So moved.

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Move to the second.

470
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:55,810
That we close the public hearing on the off sale license for Sunar LLC doing business

471
00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:58,510
as Viking liquor and the other discussion on that.

472
00:32:58,830 --> 00:32:59,790
Take the vote?

473
00:33:01,050 --> 00:33:01,530
Yes.

474
00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:04,070
Yes.

475
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:04,510
Yes.

476
00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:04,550
Yes.

477
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:05,030
That's for elder.

478
00:33:05,890 --> 00:33:06,750
And constant for isover.

479
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:07,210
Yes.

480
00:33:07,510 --> 00:33:07,950
Thank you.

481
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:14,610
I need a motion of proving and off-sale liquor license to Sunar LLC doing business at Viking

482
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:17,310
liquor at 41 or 71 or 41 or 41 or 42.

483
00:33:17,770 --> 00:33:19,530
I'll make a motion of proving at some point.

484
00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:25,690
Want to prove in an off-sale liquor license to Sunar LLC, DBA Viking liquor, 71, 41,

485
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:27,150
42nd Avenue North.

486
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:27,750
Oh, second.

487
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:28,730
Move to the second.

488
00:33:28,910 --> 00:33:32,970
Is that we approve this off-sale liquor license any other discussion?

489
00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:34,970
Take a vote.

490
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:38,110
Yes.

491
00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:38,570
Yes.

492
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:39,310
I'll swim for Alder.

493
00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:40,830
I'll swim for Eisenberg.

494
00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:41,230
Yes.

495
00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:42,170
I'll swim for London.

496
00:33:42,670 --> 00:33:42,690
Yes.

497
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:45,430
Welcome to doing business in New Hope.

498
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:47,130
Thank you for being here.

499
00:33:47,530 --> 00:33:47,970
Thank you.

500
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:50,250
You remember what I told you about?

501
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:50,570
Yes.

502
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:51,230
Okay.

503
00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:53,570
Okay.

504
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:53,950
8.

505
00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:59,150
One of the resolution improvement additional use permit for open outdoor storage area relating

506
00:33:59,150 --> 00:34:00,310
to the real property.

507
00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:00,970
Okay.

508
00:34:00,970 --> 00:34:05,650
at 92-10 Science Center Drive, New Hope Planning Case 22-01.

509
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:36,300
Testing, there we go.

510
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,900
Palette 1 is just to give you a brief description.

511
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:44,260
Palette 1 is one of the largest palette manufacturers in the country.

512
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:51,800
The new hope facility will be used for delivering new palettes as well as an intake and

513
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,460
outtake for cycling old palettes.

514
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:59,960
and open outdoor storage area will be used for by the applicant to store their own.

515
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,300
So

516
00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:16,330
this is the proposed site plan. A conditional use permit is needed if the storage area would exceed 20% of the building's gross footage area.

517
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:27,090
So the building, in this case, is approximately 55,000 square feet in the proposed storage area is 20,000 square feet, which triggers the need for a conditional use permit.

518
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:33,430
If you look at this proposed site plan, these gray areas are the proposed expansion areas.

519
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:36,130
You can see a loading dock.

520
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:43,230
So all the open outdoor storage area will be done on that eastern parking lot.

521
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:48,650
There's a little bit of pavement going in on the western parking lot, but that is not part

522
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:50,150
of the open outdoor storage.

523
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Just a quick glance at the actual property.

524
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,580
This is the western side of the property.

525
00:35:56,580 --> 00:36:06,680
And on the eastern side, where the open outdoor storage area will take place, I should note this is an old photo, so those cars are no longer there, they don't need that parking.

526
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:14,900
And then this little green belt that you can see here, this is where the proposed screening will take place that I'll discuss later.

527
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:38,580
So, the applicant is proposing to store 45 semi-trailers, you can see 19 stalls here on the northern side and 26 stalls on the southern side and that those blacks, those black and white strips you see are concrete pads to rest the trailers on.

528
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:46,740
So part of open outdoor storage is that if part of the requirements are it must be surfaced

529
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:55,140
with concrete or a two-minute material and it also requires perimeter curbing all around

530
00:36:55,140 --> 00:37:02,100
the paved area so they will be doing the applicant will be doing as you can see here

531
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:07,060
these blue lines indicate where all the standard curbing will take place and then that red line

532
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:12,280
on the northern side indicates where there'll be some multiple curbing to allow for drainage

533
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,220
on the property.

534
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,840
There's a, if you remember from earlier, there's a storm water pond at the northern part

535
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,480
of the property, and that's where all that water from that paved area will be draining to.

536
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:32,900
And then also, let's see, one of the big things with temporary outdoor storage is screening

537
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:40,720
in landscaping, a conditional use permit requires that all temporary outdoor storage is screened

538
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:41,920
from the right of way.

539
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:48,180
And in certain instances security, Fencing is also required. But in

540
00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:53,640
this case, it's just trailers, so security Fencing is not required as long as all semi-trailers

541
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:59,180
are being locked and secured during that business hours. I just want to go over some of

542
00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:02,100
This is the applicant's plan for screening.

543
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:10,340
They're proposing to install 21 Colorado green spruce trees.

544
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,620
At installation, they'll be four to six feet high and grow eight inches.

545
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:21,320
Approximately eight inches annually until they reach a height of 20 to 30 feet.

546
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:27,900
You can see here they have 18 trees placed on that sort of that island right there.

547
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:33,440
and then staff also requested another three to four additional trees being stalled on that

548
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:38,580
eastern side of the eastern parking lot entrance and the applicant was amenable to that.

549
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,340
So in terms of zoning criteria, the applicants proposal met all zoning code criteria for

550
00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:48,880
the industrial zone area.

551
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:55,910
A public hearing was conducted at the June 7th Planning Commission meeting

552
00:38:55,910 --> 00:39:00,990
property owners within 500 feet were notified by mail. Public hearing notice was published

553
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:07,710
in the sun post and on the city website and a notice of land use petition sign was installed

554
00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:12,710
on the property and there was no one to speak at the Planning Commission meeting.

555
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,700
So the recommendation,

556
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:20,960
the Planning Commission recommended approval of the request of the seven to zero vote subject

557
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,200
to the following conditions. All outdoor storage areas shall be screened and landscape from

558
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:33,700
Jason right away. Number two, Jason are the applicant must add three Colorado spruce trees

559
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:39,360
to their plan and locate them on the east side of the easternmost parking lot entrance in line

560
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,040
with those on the west side of the entrance. Number three, the outdoor storage is exclusive to

561
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:51,120
semi trailers and the semi trailers stored on the lot must be locked and secured. Number four,

562
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,520
The outdoor storage area must be surfaced with concrete or

563
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,480
bituminous material and a perimeter curving provided in the areas

564
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,780
directed by the city engineer.

565
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:13,480
Number 5, grading, drainage, stormwater management, and wetland delineation, protection, and restoration plans shall be subject to review and final approval by the city engineer and stormwater specialist.

566
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Number 6, outdoor storage area shall not occupy, required for parking, loading areas or access drives.

567
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,860
If the number seven of the Hitchiner plans to add outdoor lighting, which they do not in their

568
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:33,380
plan currently, they shall submit a photometric plan that shall meet minimum lighting standards

569
00:40:33,380 --> 00:40:38,480
for buildings, parking lots and pedestrian areas, number eight, the petitioner shall enter into

570
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,600
a stormwater maintenance agreement with the city to be recorded with the offices of the

571
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,440
Hitchiner County Registrar of titles and Hitchiner County Recorder, which shall cover all

572
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,760
stormwater improvements to be prepared by the city attorney.

573
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,260
Number nine, owner and petitioner are required to address refuse and upkeep of property

574
00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:58,980
area used for outdoor storage activities.

575
00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:06,740
Number 10, snow removed from the outdoor storage area shall be stored at the east and

576
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:09,060
north ends of the proposed lot expansion.

577
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:14,300
Number 11, and as bill plan shall be provided to the city once the project is completed.

578
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,520
Number 12, the conditional use permit shall be recorded against the property in both the

579
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,940
office of the county recorder and the register of titles and for

580
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:28,100
hendiping county as the property is both abstract and registered

581
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,100
horns.

582
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Steph and the applicant are both available to answer any

583
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,860
questions.

584
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,720
Any questions?

585
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,480
Thank you.

586
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,320
Brandon, why do we think that it's acceptable that just put in

587
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:51,080
or for a high trees to screen the storage facility

588
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,640
when it'll take 10 plus years to actually screen the facility.

589
00:41:57,460 --> 00:42:02,100
So four to six feet is what our code mentions as acceptable.

590
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,680
And this is what we discussed in the different meetings.

591
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,940
We had about this, so it fits the code.

592
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:15,160
And then also eight inches a year is a pretty rapidly growing

593
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:22,780
tree if, as you can see, this is an example of what I have on screen of what these screws

594
00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:28,160
trees will look like. So if you can imagine eight key in those, you know, just on that

595
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:34,900
one island part, it should provide pretty good screening that will actually look nice as

596
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:41,580
opposed to an eight foot fence that, you know, they could have put in an eight foot chain

597
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:48,740
fence with cloth, tighter on it, so we think this is an amenable solution.

598
00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:55,400
Right, but what is the point of screening, right? I mean, because these are semi-truck trailers.

599
00:42:55,860 --> 00:43:00,520
I just looked it up. It's like 14 feet high. So even at eight feet, that's not screening.

600
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:06,780
Right? And you're not really even addressing my question, is that it's going to take a decade

601
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,600
for the treat of growth to something like your picture.

602
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,000
That's not what they're putting in, so we're fooling ourselves.

603
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,600
We're putting in a four-foot high tree, or a six-foot high tree and it's going to grow

604
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,400
eight inches.

605
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:21,540
What's your guess on how long it would take to grow to that?

606
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,320
That's what I'm going to, that's my question.

607
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:31,180
Sure, so like I was staying with, this is according to the city code that they fulfilled

608
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:31,800
these standards.

609
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:36,740
We could certainly look at a mending in the code, but the current one allows for this

610
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:42,040
to treat to be installed. There's also cost considerations to factor in that if a business

611
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:48,080
moved into the area and want to make this improvement, if they had to install a 15-foot

612
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:54,540
tree they're looking at massive expenses for that. So it's also to be sort of accountable

613
00:43:54,540 --> 00:44:02,000
to new businesses moving in the area. And I realize Councilman Belendon, you do have a very

614
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:10,100
good point. It's very difficult to screen a 12, 13 foot trailer. And you know, to be able

615
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:17,080
to immediately screen that you would have to build a wall. And that's also not exactly visually

616
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,780
aesthetic that you're looking for, even. Right. And then you go back to your, if I could finish

617
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:27,260
off. Okay. But that's what the code is for. Then the code is essentially dictates what goes

618
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:30,560
in there and what doesn't, not we just accept anything

619
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,640
and we'll just figure out how the code can make it work for people,

620
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,120
right?

621
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,600
I mean, the other question I have is on the outdoor lighting.

622
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,360
We went ahead and I had asked director Sergeant

623
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,860
in the police department to go ahead and put in and make sure

624
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:47,420
that there was adequate outdoor lighting

625
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:49,840
in all industrial buildings.

626
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,640
I'm guessing this one passes our code,

627
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:56,640
but with outdoor storage

628
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,960
and no actual lockdown. I mean, it's going to be...

629
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,140
Open for people to drive in at night. We're not requiring any extra, you know, the police are going to have to respond to calls.

630
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:15,140
We're not requiring any extra on the parking lot that's 20,000 square feet and is going to have 45 trailers.

631
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:21,260
So, all the trailers are required to be locked.

632
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:28,300
And this is a pallet company, so they'll mostly just be filled with pallets, so there won't be anything else in there.

633
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:34,420
I wouldn't assume it's a very high risk, but our code states that you don't need security

634
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:35,000
fencing.

635
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:41,020
It is long as the storage trailers are a lot that's part of the city code.

636
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:42,980
Councilman.

637
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:43,540
London.

638
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:51,450
As far as the police safety side of it, we corner off the city in the three areas.

639
00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:55,470
So we have enough people on that we will make it through the lot.

640
00:45:55,690 --> 00:45:58,850
We'll make it through pretty much every line of the less we're busy at night.

641
00:45:58,850 --> 00:46:06,750
We have our checks that we go through and our officers go through so as far as safety and security this is an out of the ordinary

642
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:12,890
We have many businesses around here car dealerships that they do not have walls around it

643
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:18,790
And their cars are left out and as far as having you know break into anything like that

644
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:20,250
It's few and far between

645
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:24,970
Right, but to be fair that the lighting at whatever the name of it is I'm 40 second

646
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:28,290
I can see from my house. It's so bright, but that's another story

647
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:37,350
We had officers seeing in dark lots up on Bass Lake Road that never even reported the lights being out. That's another, but all right.

648
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:42,330
I'm running. Can you put the picture back up where this is located?

649
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,000
There you go. That one.

650
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,920
So there aren't any people around. Hoses. It's all in dust real.

651
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:04,980
It's in the northwest industrial area, and it's pretty much right in the middle of it, so there's not really anybody any residential areas nearby.

652
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:11,900
So the screening is basically, I mean, it's not like you're screening it from somebody's backyard.

653
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:17,080
No, it would mostly just be screening it from the science center drive.

654
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:24,180
And it's just part of our code requirement that if you're going to have these types of storage areas, they need to be screened.

655
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,420
There's businesses across the street that maybe they don't.

656
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:33,500
It's not ideal for them to have to look at lots of trailers sitting out there,

657
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
so it's just something that's taken into consideration.

658
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:38,380
Okay, thank you. Any other questions for Brandon?

659
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,280
So if we asked them to put in bigger trees, we would have to be changing the code

660
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,320
to then ask them to put in better trees, essentially.

661
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:49,260
We could ask them to put in bigger trees,

662
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:53,880
but yeah, they are fulfilling their need with the city code with what they are doing.

663
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,160
Okay.

664
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,260
That's what I wanted to know.

665
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,020
Thank you.

666
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,980
Any other questions?

667
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,080
I get a motion on 8.1.

668
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:08,760
I'll make a motion of proving conditional use permit for open door storage area relating

669
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,500
to real property located at 92.10.

670
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,860
Science Center Drive, New Hope Planning Case 22-01.

671
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,260
How's that going?

672
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:21,500
moved in seconds that we passed the resolution of proving the

673
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,340
conditional use permit for open outdoor storage for the

674
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:28,940
property at 9210 Science Center Drive and the other

675
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:32,120
discussion. Take the vote.

676
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,740
Yes. Yes.

677
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,220
Yes.

678
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:35,620
Yes.

679
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,760
Thank you, gentlemen.

680
00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:51,990
8.2 resolution approved the conditional use permit for

681
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:58,890
Isaiah Panto doing business as the river of Covenant International Ministry at 9220 best

682
00:48:58,890 --> 00:49:04,550
like grown sweet 85, Newgo Plani case 22, dash 0.2.

683
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:08,810
Good evening and thank you Madam Mayor, Jeff Elger, Community Development Specialist.

684
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:15,070
Our subject property for this request is shown on screen on the green box.

685
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:19,950
It's on best like road in between Highway 169 and Gettysburg Avenue.

686
00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:28,350
You can see at a butt-single family to the north and to the east, industrial to the south, and high-one of 169 to the west.

687
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:40,460
Here is a table that shows proposed meeting times for a church that would like to locate in this building, the river of Covenant International Ministry.

688
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:44,680
They're proposed meeting times are shown at the top of the screen here.

689
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:54,100
According to the applicant, it is expected that 15-20 people would attend services every Sunday from 12-30 pm to 2 pm.

690
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:59,980
There would also be a Bible study session every Tuesday from 7-30 pm to 8 pm.

691
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,760
830 PM with 3 to 5 people in attendance. And the service every Friday from 730 to 830 PM, 2 to 3 people in attendance.

692
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:15,120
The River of Covenant International Ministry also plans to host conferences once a month at this location.

693
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:28,920
From 730 to 930 PM, there'd be about 10 to 15 people in attendance for those. And then they would intend to meet at the building on occasional Saturdays from 7 AM to 730 AM.

694
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Before they go out for community volunteer days, and there be five to six people attending those meetings.

695
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:44,200
So you can see how their proposed schedule aligns with Calvary Chapel and Valley and Church.

696
00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:53,660
So there's two other churches that have been approved to locate in this building, Calvary and Valley and obtained conditional use permits in 2019 and 2020.

697
00:50:54,820 --> 00:51:00,460
The applicant, here this evening for the River of Covenant International Ministry, anticipates

698
00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:05,440
that the Church will grow to 25 to 30 people within the next 5 to 10 years.

699
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,060
The applicant states that he hopes that the Church will have its own facility within that

700
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:11,540
timeframe.

701
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:19,090
The proposed plans would not change the footprint of the existing building or the parking

702
00:51:19,090 --> 00:51:22,030
configuration at 90 to 20 best-lake road.

703
00:51:22,030 --> 00:51:25,970
There are 220 parking stalls for the entire building.

704
00:51:27,070 --> 00:51:34,030
Guests of this church would park in the west lot, mainly in the area shown on red on screen here.

705
00:51:35,130 --> 00:51:38,670
And they would enter through a west facing door, which is in that parking area.

706
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:42,530
So there are 42 parking stalls on the west side of the building.

707
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:47,290
That includes the red area and the area kind of to the south of there.

708
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:59,910
Staff, of course, conducted a parking analysis for the site and determined that if the church is approved, the site will have enough parking and will continue to meet minimum parking requirements as per city code.

709
00:52:00,930 --> 00:52:09,410
So here is that red parking area referred to, see 169 entrance ramp in the background.

710
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:18,570
And here's the entrance door that you can see kind of on the right of the building that would be used to access the church.

711
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:28,940
A couple areas wanted to touch on the first of which is the building and fire code topic that was discussed at the Planning Commission meeting.

712
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:43,600
So after a business use certificate of occupancy permit was submitted, the building official and deputy fire marshal completed an inspection of the space with the owner to give the applicant and understanding of what would need to be completed.

713
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,080
prior to holding services at this location.

714
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,360
These space appeared to be set up to hold services

715
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,100
at the time with an altar, chairs, musical instruments,

716
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,400
microphones, projection, system, and place.

717
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,600
So staff conveyed to the applicant that services

718
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,120
could not be held in this location until or unless

719
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,240
a conditional use permit had been granted.

720
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,020
A letter summarizing this information was

721
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:09,140
mailed to the applicant as well as the property owner.

722
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,380
And a letter from the building official

723
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:18,160
and deputy fire marshal, summarizing work that needs to be done to bring the space into compliance

724
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,820
with building and fire codes was also sent to the applicant as well as the building owner.

725
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:28,540
There are significant changes that need to be made within the suite and the basement in

726
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:35,140
which it would be located in, including the installation of a one-hour fire wall in between

727
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:41,320
the church's suite and other uses. The addition of a second exit out of the church's suite,

728
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:48,960
And the addition of a second exit out of the building from the basement, so this church is proposing to locate in the basement.

729
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:59,740
In the revised narrative submitted by the applicant on May 27, the applicant states that the building owner and property owner are working on the necessary improvements.

730
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:10,060
Staff in the Planning Commission reviewed conditional use permit criteria and felt that it met all the requirements shown on screen.

731
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:17,840
There was a public hearing held at the June 7th Planning Commission meeting.

732
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:22,860
As always, property owners within 500 feet of the parcel were notified of the requests

733
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,360
and the public hearing notice was sent out by mail.

734
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,100
Legal notice was published in the Sun Post and posted on the city's website and there

735
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,840
were a couple land use petition signs that were placed at the property.

736
00:54:35,260 --> 00:54:41,060
So a staff received probably over a dozen calls from residents of that neighborhood asking

737
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:43,760
what those signs are for, what's being proposed here.

738
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,120
So, obviously we shared that information with them.

739
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,100
There were two owners of a property

740
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,500
who expressed concerns about screening

741
00:54:53,060 --> 00:54:55,540
between the subject property and single family homes

742
00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:56,160
to the north.

743
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:58,280
They attended the Planning Commission meeting.

744
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:14,800
So if you look on screen here, going back to 2001, conditional use permit was approved for the conversion of this building, which was an office warehouse, to a multi-tenant office building in 2001.

745
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:28,740
So one of the requirements was, if you look at the red area on the left, was the construction of a fence along the north property line from the west end of the site towards the west end of the building and then south down to the building.

746
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:35,060
So that fence is in place, it's still in good shape, it's providing the screening at supposed to.

747
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:43,240
In 2001, no other screening was required along the north side of the building, so as you can see in the white box,

748
00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:49,480
there was no additional screening requirements implemented at that time when this conditional use permit was approved.

749
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,460
You can see there is a fair amount of vegetation along that area.

750
00:55:56,860 --> 00:56:00,300
And most of that continues to remain to this day.

751
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:04,020
Subsequent requests for conditional use permits.

752
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,020
That's property of not involved the installation of new parking

753
00:56:07,020 --> 00:56:10,100
or alterations to the exterior of the building.

754
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:14,000
And new screening requirements have not been implemented.

755
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:18,680
Staff conducted a site visit on June 9th of this year

756
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,960
to review landscaping plans from when the conversion

757
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,380
was approved as compared to now.

758
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:30,380
and is not recommending any additional required screening as part of the conditional use permit request.

759
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:38,160
If the property owner elects to remove trees in the future, they will be responsible for replacing them,

760
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,260
or screening those areas as required by the conditional use permit.

761
00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:49,770
So with that, the Planning Commission did recommend approval of this case with a seven to zero vote,

762
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:51,990
subject to the following seven conditions.

763
00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:57,870
Number one, service and meeting times shall be limited to the hours of operations specified

764
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:59,490
in the petitioner's application.

765
00:57:00,390 --> 00:57:04,690
If conditions change that create an increase in parking demand beyond the current capacity,

766
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:09,790
the petitioner and owner shall construct additional parking or adjust building operations

767
00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:12,430
to fit within the parking available on site.

768
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:19,410
Number two, seating capacity shall be limited to no more than 50 people within suite LL-85,

769
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:21,370
which is where this church would be located.

770
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:25,150
If greater seating capacity becomes necessary,

771
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:27,930
an amendment to this COP would be required.

772
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:31,530
Three of the petitioners shall provide a seating

773
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:33,570
diagram illustrating seat arrangements,

774
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:36,890
aisle widths, access and egress, and other features

775
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:38,630
of the assembly area.

776
00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:43,390
For building and fire code, assessment and architectural

777
00:57:43,390 --> 00:57:46,350
drawing shall be prepared by a registered architect,

778
00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:51,070
illustrating the improvements needed for the introduction of a church into the proposed site.

779
00:57:52,110 --> 00:57:56,290
So the reason all these requirements are coming in the place because this is an office building,

780
00:57:56,530 --> 00:58:00,750
and basically the office building where they're proposing to introduce an assembly use,

781
00:58:01,450 --> 00:58:04,730
which requires all of these building changes.

782
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,060
Number five, building plan shall identify location of the

783
00:58:11,060 --> 00:58:15,940
within the building and proposed access routes to the church, bathrooms, and other

784
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:19,680
ancillary areas of the building that may be available to the church.

785
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:24,740
Number six, a complete review and approval of building and fire prevention plans

786
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:27,940
by the Deputy Fire Martial and Building Official shall be completed.

787
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:32,880
Services shall not take place until the sweet and building meet minimum requirements

788
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,500
for the proposed use and an occupancy permit has been issued.

789
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,760
And seven, the conditional use permit shall be recorded against the property

790
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,000
in both the Office of the County Recorder and the Register of Titles, and in forehand

791
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,060
up in County as the properties registered both in torrents and abstract.

792
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,920
The applicant is here this evening, and he and staff, of course, have you answered any questions?

793
00:58:58,460 --> 00:58:59,660
Any questions for Jeff?

794
00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:03,560
If you go back a couple of slides that shows that white boxed area,

795
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,060
the white boxed area,

796
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:10,540
I'll tell you those trees.

797
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:18,800
Those trees are very tall. They're probably 25 to 35 feet in height, most of them.

798
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:19,560
Thank you.

799
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,220
Any other questions for Jeff?

800
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:24,720
Yep. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

801
00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:34,220
Jeff, I seem to remember that we have the screening issues when I think another church,

802
00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:36,720
maybe the second church went into this office building.

803
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:47,500
And the question I have is, along council member elders, you know, questioning, this looks great from the sky.

804
00:59:49,060 --> 00:59:52,980
But that's not what matters to those five houses behind it, right?

805
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:59,980
So why don't we have a photograph from what the residents actually see of the...

806
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:27,420
This is another screening issue. We seem to be getting these wrong. This was an issue before, and if I remember correctly, some of the trees were so high, you could still see right into the building or the building could look right into the houses. Some needed to be trimmed or when it's winter. I think the people that the residents that came, there's no screening.

807
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,600
at four o'clock and the lights are on and everyone can see right in and out. So again, it's

808
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:43,720
a failure. What's being presented to us from, you know, whatever the satellite photo looks

809
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:50,000
plausible. But when you dig deeper and you actually put yourself into the people's, the residents

810
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:57,800
homes were failing up. And so, I mean, I see, again, it's a problem with screening. And I think

811
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,880
we've got to take it up inside community development

812
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:05,520
so that the stuff is actually we're looking

813
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,540
at what the residents are looking at

814
01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:09,980
or what the business is looking at.

815
01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:12,700
Thank you for the comments.

816
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:14,600
Council member London,

817
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:17,060
we did look into this pretty thoroughly

818
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,100
going back to approvals from 2001

819
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,520
when the conditional use permit was approved

820
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,740
to convert this building into this office space.

821
01:01:26,740 --> 01:01:32,940
Generally speaking, what they did was add windows along that side.

822
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,520
Our code doesn't require the screening of windows.

823
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:41,220
So it was made clear at that time by the Planning Commission and by the City Council that

824
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:43,840
additional screening would not be required at that time.

825
01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:49,000
The owner, however, did there were several meetings where the owner of the building met with residents

826
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:49,540
in the area.

827
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:54,700
There was Planning Commission or two meeting where they tried to work these issues out.

828
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:59,880
They agreed to the building owner agreed to install blinds at that time, as well as light

829
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,520
timers to address some of the issues that the concerns from neighbors.

830
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:13,240
But when looking at the approvals that were set forth 20 years ago, we believe they are still

831
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:18,620
meeting those requirements because the screening that was in place then remains today.

832
01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:25,340
And the other thing is, I believe, now I'm remembering even more, that the building owner

833
01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:30,700
here owned one of the residences behind and it was a rental, right?

834
01:02:31,580 --> 01:02:37,120
So, I mean, it's somewhat impartial to say, and he was, he wasn't even managing to maintain

835
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,160
the home.

836
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:43,560
I remember because I went by this home, and the front steps were falling in, right?

837
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:45,060
Mike, correct?

838
01:02:45,740 --> 01:03:04,080
You know, Councilmember London, I believe the owner of 92-20 best lake road may have a property to the north there, yes, although, according to residents who attended the planning commission meeting, the building was scheduled to be sold in the last few weeks.

839
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:10,500
So we have not received confirmation whether or not that is gone through, but there may be new ownership and play here.

840
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:14,810
Jeff, I have a couple of questions.

841
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:17,990
How will we know that they're not having services

842
01:03:19,090 --> 01:03:21,310
there before all this work is not?

843
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:22,210
It's a Sunday.

844
01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:25,290
Are we going to send a inspector out of the Sunday?

845
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,360
Madam Mayor, we generally would not have an inspector

846
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,480
come in on the weekend to check on these types of issues

847
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,760
to be frank.

848
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:40,520
If we receive complaints from other tenants

849
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,760
in the building from neighbors in the area,

850
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:52,280
we would certainly follow up on that, so we're hopeful that the applicant will abide by the

851
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,900
conditions set forth in the conditional use permit and make the necessary improvements

852
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:58,340
before services are held.

853
01:03:58,420 --> 01:04:00,300
And what happens if he doesn't?

854
01:04:01,220 --> 01:04:05,200
In that case, potentially the condition used permit could be revoked.

855
01:04:05,540 --> 01:04:12,320
There could be a do not occupy sticker placed on the suite, or no one could use that space anymore.

856
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,360
Finds could potentially be levied against the property owner.

857
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,280
Is there a few of the options?

858
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,160
The other thing, when I'm looking at this picture on that west side,

859
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,640
all the cars that are parked there, I take it this picture was taken during the week.

860
01:04:28,180 --> 01:04:31,180
Because that parking lot doesn't look like it would hold too many more people.

861
01:04:33,490 --> 01:04:37,710
Yeah, between that area and kind of to the below there,

862
01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:42,630
I think we said there's a total of 40, 42 stalls.

863
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:50,070
So yeah, he anticipating no more than 20, 25 people attending services.

864
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:54,310
So I'm assuming all those cars that are parked there are now, if that's during the week,

865
01:04:54,450 --> 01:04:55,530
they wouldn't be there on Sunday.

866
01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:59,970
That's correct, because all the other businesses in this building, aside from the two.

867
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,220
Existing churches are Monday through Friday, nine to five operations.

868
01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:12,580
I know you sent me a bunch of information about the, and this has nothing to do with the church,

869
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:20,620
but just about the screening to the north. And we're not doing anything more about that.

870
01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:28,900
At this time, the planning commission and staff are not recommending any additional screening. If the property owner were to remove trees

871
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:33,260
that were part of that initial approval from 2001.

872
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,040
We would require their replacement at that time.

873
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,100
Any other questions for Jeff?

874
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:40,640
Yes.

875
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:42,120
Yes.

876
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,920
So just to clarify, the house is in question that would be affected by the screening.

877
01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:52,540
We're notified about what's going on and had an opportunity to weigh in on the situation

878
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:54,460
and none of them shows, too.

879
01:05:54,460 --> 01:06:04,740
Well, Craig Councilmember Eisenberg, one property owner, consisting of two individuals did attend the planning commission meeting as expressed those concerns.

880
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,160
Everyone else would have received a mailing.

881
01:06:08,260 --> 01:06:09,880
Then we did not receive any other feedback.

882
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:11,680
Thank you.

883
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:12,380
Okay.

884
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:13,700
Get a motion on 8.2.

885
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:21,340
Okay.

886
01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:31,000
I'll make a motion to pass a resolution of proving the conditional use permit for Isaiah Panto doing business as the river of Covenant.

887
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:38,440
international ministry at 92 20 best-take road sweet LL 85 oh seconded moved in

888
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:44,120
seconded in the other discussion seeing them take the boat

889
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:54,380
remember elder yes let's move right somewhere yes yes yes yes thank you

890
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,700
So, is the petitioner here in the audience?

891
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:01,380
Yes.

892
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:04,580
Can you just,

893
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,860
okay, I know that you don't own the building.

894
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,940
But please be sure that the owner of that building

895
01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:15,940
does the work that needs to be done

896
01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:19,440
because you're the one that's going to suffer if he doesn't.

897
01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:22,780
And do not have services there until it's done.

898
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:23,620
Yes, absolutely.

899
01:07:23,620 --> 01:07:31,840
And I think you contact them, these guys and tell them it's done and they'll come out and expect and give you the little stamp of approval.

900
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:33,680
Okay. Don't get in trouble.

901
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:34,620
Thank you.

902
01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:35,720
Thank you.

903
01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:38,920
Okay.

904
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:45,860
8.3 resolution approved in plans and specs for the authorization and advertising of the bills for the post 2022.

905
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:46,760
2023.

906
01:07:47,460 --> 01:07:49,180
Sanitary sewer lining project.

907
01:07:49,540 --> 01:07:51,320
We always leave the funds up till the end.

908
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,300
I think so.

909
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:58,900
And before you start, thank you very much to Santa, to you and the Santa crew, the

910
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:03,360
funny two of you, all the work you did and then then you feed the crew to thank you so

911
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:03,660
much.

912
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:10,340
We really appreciate the volunteers.

913
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:11,300
Thank you.

914
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,280
I want to ask your 18 sites.

915
01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:15,080
Sure.

916
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:22,400
Dan Boyam, city engineer and we'll run through the PowerPoint on our sanitary sewer lining project.

917
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,960
the reality. I didn't even count them.

918
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,020
But I know the background is that the city does an annual

919
01:08:32,020 --> 01:08:37,580
sanitary sewer lining project to reduce inflone infiltration in the sanitary sewer system.

920
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:46,220
Just some information on your sanitary sewer pipe. You do have a total of 377,000,000,

921
01:08:46,220 --> 01:08:51,480
32 feet of sanitary syrup pipe throughout new hope, so that's a lot of pipe.

922
01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:55,780
You've been doing this cured in place, lining for a few years.

923
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:04,540
You have around 77,462 feet, that's around 20.5% and once again, the benefits of lining

924
01:09:04,540 --> 01:09:09,700
your sanitary sewers that reduces those ionite flows and some of the fees from the

925
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:16,700
council, it adds approximately 50 years of life to the sanitary sewer, it's less expensive than the

926
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:22,200
open cut replacement. If we had some major issues with the sanitary sewer and if we were

927
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:27,160
reconstructing a street then we might look at open cutting and replacing because we would be removing

928
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:32,880
the pletuminous anyway. And also the percentage of costs that are spent on it we get a credit

929
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,500
on some of our work plan work with the MCS.

930
01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:43,320
Here's a background sheet that shows your various CIP lining throughout the city of New Hope.

931
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:48,580
I've got it divided in the north half on the left side, the right half on, or excuse me,

932
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:49,880
south half on the right side.

933
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:55,460
And the red piping color is where you've had your CIP lining.

934
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,960
There's a little green in that northwest corner and that's some of the lining that was...

935
01:10:03,740 --> 01:10:18,020
The city has been recently awarding two years of lining in a project as one project, usually the larger projects get a little more interest from our contractors who are bidding the project and we feel we get competitive vids.

936
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:20,480
It also saves on some of those indirect costs.

937
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,000
Our 2022 Lining Project is still in that Northwest part of New Hope.

938
01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:28,080
That's where we've been concentrating the last few years.

939
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,420
There's still a few streets left with that Lining is needed.

940
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:33,760
Also there's some manholes where the

941
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,260
man that is going to be building the new noise wall.

942
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,820
And so we want to get those manholes sealed up because there will be just some difficulties

943
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:44,880
getting in there once that noise wall is there.

944
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:51,100
Also, in the 2023, there's one more street in the Northwest area and then we're going to move to the

945
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:57,120
Northeast area because that's where the city has identified some I&I flows at the

946
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,060
lift station at 60th and Quebec.

947
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:04,800
And in both of these areas, we have some alternate cell talk about some of the next slides.

948
01:11:07,190 --> 01:11:16,110
So 2022, we're lining these green areas of the Northwest area and that some of the

949
01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:23,210
information on that, there's a 1,613 feet of 9-inch clay pipe and 9-14 feet of 12-inch

950
01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:27,350
reinforced concrete pipe that will be lined, and also those five manholes that are

951
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:34,130
long, kind of that, kind of that trunk highway 169 entrance ramp, kind of area.

952
01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:41,510
On 2023, we just have for the base bid, we just have that north west, the cul-de-sac,

953
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:49,450
What is it, for me, Bass Creek's circle, yeah, Bass Creek's circle up there in the northwest area.

954
01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:58,850
There's a total, you know, counting that little cul-de-sac in some of the streets on the next slide around 3,701 feet of 9-inch clay pipe that will be lying.

955
01:12:00,430 --> 01:12:05,770
Here in the northeast, we've got our blue color, is all the base bed streets.

956
01:12:05,770 --> 01:12:10,650
And then if you remember, two years ago when we bid the project, we ended up getting some

957
01:12:10,650 --> 01:12:15,690
cost that came in very favorably and then we did a change order and then a cold project.

958
01:12:16,150 --> 01:12:21,530
And so this year we kind of added a variety after I show you that 371 feet again.

959
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:28,390
We added some various alternates, so we have this alternate one, which is 696 feet.

960
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:37,950
alternate 2 is in the light blue 1272 feet, alternate 3 in green, keep going, alternate 4,

961
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:43,630
and finally alternate 5 kind of on the west side of that northeast area for 797 feet.

962
01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:47,990
And so the goal of that is just to have a variety of different options if we would end up

963
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:52,470
seeing prices coming in less than what we estimated we could add some of these alternates,

964
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:57,290
maybe a void doing that, you know, coming back to you for a change order or a cold take

965
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:57,770
project.

966
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:05,020
For those people who maybe haven't seen it in our audience, maybe we'll show

967
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:09,780
a few pictures of cured and placed lining. Here's the equipment that you see when they're

968
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:15,020
working above the ground, they put that liner into the pipe, and you see on the bottom

969
01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:19,120
right side of there's that liner that's going through a man, they eventually will come

970
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,820
back and cut through that liner so that we have access for our jetting and cleaning

971
01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:29,360
of our pipes. The next slide shows on the left side, the existing clay pipe. You can see some

972
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:34,640
of the roots that have come in. That's kind of the nature of clay pipes. There's their

973
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:40,080
shorter sections of pipe. We have more joints. Eventually, those joints leak and have an I and I.

974
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:45,400
So on the bottom right is kind of after this pipe was lined and you can see they'll come back in

975
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:51,020
wherever there's a service for a resident. She'll property or business. They'll come back and

976
01:13:51,020 --> 01:13:53,680
cut that out so that the sewer flows.

977
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,580
Here's our table of the estimated project costs.

978
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:02,060
And one thing based on what public work

979
01:14:02,060 --> 01:14:05,300
director Weber and I have heard from contractors,

980
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:08,720
they've just kind of indicated that you should assume

981
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,140
or close to 20, 25% increase of costs.

982
01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:15,960
And so we've kind of identified that

983
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,040
in this inflation and supply shortage cost.

984
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:24,520
that just in case that happens, this is what we're estimating to kind of get to our budget.

985
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,240
You have some contingencies indirect costs, but you can see you know, I'm going to highlight

986
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:37,160
that 90,000 of inflation supply shortage costs and then the 617,000 on project costs.

987
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,800
And you can see on the bottom side of the table we have all the various alternates for their costs

988
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,500
on that very right side.

989
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:55,740
Go to this next slide and so you can see with the 617,000, the city in these next two years has budgeted around 700,000, 350,000 a year for 700,000.

990
01:14:55,940 --> 01:14:59,960
So we're around 82,000 less than...

991
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Our estimate of what that base bid work would be. So you can see on these alternates, you know, you could pick like alternate number two, my cover that 82,000. But there's that 90,000 that, you know, just in case like these contractors tell us that, well, you should estimate for inflation for shortage of supplies, you know, 20, 25% in case we didn't see that and we got better bids, you know, then you have some of those other alternates that can add up to that 90,000 that I showed on that.

992
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,880
previous slide. So that's kind of how we approach it this year to have more

993
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,960
alternate just in case pricing comes in. Last we feel the 617, you know, we're

994
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:45,440
still around 80, 2000, less than that budget so we feel comfortable with that

995
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:50,220
inflation number, et cetera, that we won't come over budget on our on our base

996
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:56,800
bid cons. So we're presenting tonight if the council decides to proceed with the

997
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:02,860
project we would plan on opening bids on July 28th, we'd bring those bids back at the August

998
01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:08,700
8th meeting. This type of work the contractors are usually doing it in the fall, kind of

999
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:15,440
November, December, substantial completion would be in the winter for the 2022 project, you know,

1000
01:16:15,580 --> 01:16:21,940
2023 project would start up next summer or fall and be completed winter, 2023, 2024.

1001
01:16:24,660 --> 01:16:29,040
So, at this point in time, we're looking for a resolution of proving the plans and specs

1002
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:35,020
in authorizing advertisement of Bids for the proposed 2022-2023 sanitary sewer lining project.

1003
01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:38,320
And I can answer any questions that Council may have at this time.

1004
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:44,340
Dan, does this alleviate the possibilities of what happened in St. Louis Park?

1005
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,940
So are we talking about not with the light rail?

1006
01:16:48,940 --> 01:17:13,880
You don't know what I'm talking about with the sanitary sewer bent up and well, I mean, so yeah, I guess as you have, I and I occurring on your sanitary sewer, you know, there can come up point where you might have a collapse in your sanitary sewer if you don't fix it. So by lining your sanitary sewer, you're you're helping to avoid some of those situations. I don't have all the history on that St. Louis park.

1007
01:17:14,740 --> 01:17:19,340
problem so I should read up on that so I can answer better that question but right

1008
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:22,900
lining kind of prevents you know when you're bringing in water into your pipe

1009
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:26,820
sometimes there's some sediment that can come eventually you get some boys and

1010
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:31,860
you can have collapsed pipe. Thank you. Any other questions for Dan?

1011
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:37,460
I'm here if I could. Thank you. Dan one of the things we're talking about here is

1012
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:42,380
the inflow and infiltration and that's one of the reasons we're doing these

1013
01:17:42,380 --> 01:17:47,880
projects, right? But one of the things that I've really struggled with in my time and I

1014
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:54,360
asked numerous times, right, is, well, we're doing studies, right? We've got how many things,

1015
01:17:54,460 --> 01:18:00,980
maybe one or two in the city that are currently monitoring the flows, but yet we're going to

1016
01:18:00,980 --> 01:18:08,920
put forth, you know, a bid for $700,000, and we don't have an idea of what's happening there.

1017
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:20,960
So I guess what I'm getting at is, can we start with a regular schedule of info and infiltration measurements, right?

1018
01:18:21,340 --> 01:18:27,500
And have it be on a regular basis because this is going to come every few years we're lining these projects, right?

1019
01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:30,880
So we should be able to show that it's effective.

1020
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:40,320
So yeah, as the council as we've presented in the past on this project or the lining projects as well as not talking tonight.

1021
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:47,600
I mean, the city is doing metering. So the metering that was done in 2019 kind of identified this Northwest area.

1022
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:53,780
So we waited until the 2020 project was done, the 2021 project was done.

1023
01:18:53,780 --> 01:19:02,020
So we are going to be doing metering this summer to see how the flows in that Northwest area have been changed after doing all the

1024
01:19:02,020 --> 01:19:07,340
that mining. Also part of it, it was a green grant that we applied for back, and I think

1025
01:19:07,340 --> 01:19:12,980
it was 2018, and God, there's also going to be some educational part of it that we have

1026
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:18,460
to do, and then so we do the metering, we do the educational component, and we do some final

1027
01:19:18,460 --> 01:19:24,500
metering, again, just to see if that educational component, if something changed by the residents.

1028
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:29,720
So I hear what you're saying that we have done the metering in the past. The city has purchased

1029
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,600
some of their own meters so that we're looking at using them as part of this metering

1030
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:34,260
this summer.

1031
01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:39,980
So we'll continue and probably I know we applied for a grant to get some more funds for

1032
01:19:39,980 --> 01:19:45,740
some more metering, but I think what we weren't successful with that grant that we heard

1033
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:46,800
about in early January.

1034
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,200
So we'll kind of just keep working as part of our budget to have some funds for metering,

1035
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:56,180
which if we went back to one slide, you kind of saw a line item for metering so that we

1036
01:19:56,180 --> 01:19:59,960
Keep that in our, in our looking, keep, keep following through on it.

1037
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,760
If I could ask the Acting City Manager, maybe we could add this to our performance management report.

1038
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:17,720
We have the street conditions, the pavement condition index, PCI, that we monitor. This is costing the city millions of dollars over time.

1039
01:20:17,980 --> 01:20:20,940
I think it should be added as well. Thank you.

1040
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:21,500
Thank you.

1041
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:25,980
So, Danny, you sent a lot of stuff that let me just make sure that I urge, right?

1042
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:31,520
We are metering, and we are trying to figure out if we are saving money by doing this.

1043
01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:34,680
We just don't have enough historical data to do it quite yet.

1044
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:41,380
Well, so we did metering before we started lining that Northwest area, and now the lining

1045
01:20:41,380 --> 01:20:45,080
got completed here this last winter, so now we'll be metering again.

1046
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:47,380
So yeah, we are doing a program of metering.

1047
01:20:47,380 --> 01:20:52,820
We just don't have this Northwest area completed yet after the work was done.

1048
01:20:53,020 --> 01:20:53,260
Okay, perfect.

1049
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,620
Thank you.

1050
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:55,600
Any other questions?

1051
01:20:56,620 --> 01:20:58,200
The motion on 8.3?

1052
01:20:58,420 --> 01:21:03,320
I move item 8.3 a resolution of proving the plans and specs and authorizing the advertisement for

1053
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:03,840
Bids.

1054
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,200
The proposed 2022-2023 sanitary sewer lining project.

1055
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:10,740
Improvement project 1,086.

1056
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:11,260
Second.

1057
01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:18,760
moved in second that we passed the resolution for the plans and specs for the sewer lining project any other discussion?

1058
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:21,120
Take the vote.

1059
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:22,120
I'll swim for Isomer.

1060
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:23,040
Yes.

1061
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:23,740
I'll swim for London.

1062
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:25,360
Yes.

1063
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:25,580
Yes.

1064
01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:26,200
Your Amkin.

1065
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:26,740
Yes.

1066
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:27,120
Yes.

1067
01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:29,060
Thank you gentlemen.

1068
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:29,780
10.

1069
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:32,160
What a resolution ratifying the 20.

1070
01:21:32,740 --> 01:21:33,420
Thank you again.

1071
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:39,160
We're going to identify in the 2023-25 labor agreement with law enforcement, labor service

1072
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,460
is L, E, L, S, local, number 77.

1073
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,880
Good evening, Madam Mayor, and council members, your chance in the director of each

1074
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,940
hour and administrative services for the city.

1075
01:21:49,940 --> 01:21:53,980
Before I get to the item that I want to bring to tonight, I know we had a couple of questions

1076
01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:01,260
on cost of turnover at the work session and the cost of this contract proposal.

1077
01:22:01,260 --> 01:22:30,060
So, first of all, I'll turn over as we talked, I mean, it's a widely critter, I guess, I would say, as far as how much, you know, what, what turnover really costs you, I pull some different statistics, employee benefit, news reports, it's 33% of an annual, I work as annual salary, so if somebody was making $100,000 in a year, $33,000 is what turnover costs to replace that position.

1078
01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:37,220
There's other things, sure, in the society, for human resource management, has suggested the figure

1079
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:42,400
between six and nine months, so half two, three quarters of a person's salary.

1080
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:53,020
Another group that weighed in said for technical positions, which police officer would be one

1081
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:57,780
of, the cost jumps from 100 to 150 percent of the person's salary.

1082
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,680
So, as you can see, that's my hesitancy to give you a number and what turnover costs.

1083
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:07,500
I can't give you an honest answer that I can stand behind and quantify.

1084
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,980
And, in one thing, typically, when we talk about turnover, it's viewed as a negative,

1085
01:23:15,540 --> 01:23:16,880
and I concur with that typically.

1086
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,980
There are some examples that if somebody isn't performing well or if they're not happy in that position,

1087
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:23,660
then turnover is not necessarily bad.

1088
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,020
I think it's time for them to find something that they're good at.

1089
01:23:26,020 --> 01:23:33,800
and so on. All this being said, the U.S. Bureau of Labor and Standards or Labor Statistics

1090
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:39,220
produces an annual report and I just wanted to reference that. In 2021, the average

1091
01:23:39,220 --> 01:23:43,820
turnover rate for state and local government excluding education for the Midwest region

1092
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:53,700
was 20.2%. In 2021, the city of New Hope's turnover rate was 7.5%. And I think that

1093
01:23:53,700 --> 01:23:54,280
says something.

1094
01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:59,140
It says something about the strong reputation that the city has in the, you know, as far

1095
01:23:59,140 --> 01:24:04,240
as public employers in the metro, it says we have a very supportive city council, strong

1096
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:09,920
leadership, but facility is good equipment, fair wages, strong benefits, et cetera.

1097
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:16,440
The work culture is very good, and this is another step to keep it in that direction.

1098
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,540
That's seven and a half percent of turnover that we had last year.

1099
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,360
That's seven people.

1100
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,740
Three of those folks were, it was due to retirement.

1101
01:24:27,740 --> 01:24:30,980
So if you take those out of the equation, it drops significantly.

1102
01:24:31,340 --> 01:24:33,400
So again, I think we have a real good thing going.

1103
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:42,100
I can move on to the contract with LALS 77, the police officers.

1104
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:47,200
kind of the highlights is in your packet. It's a three-year agreement 2022, excuse me,

1105
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:54,240
2023 through 2025. It includes a 3% market adjustment for 2023 as well as a 3%

1106
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:59,980
across the board wage increase. A 3% across the wage board wage increase.

1107
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:28,100
And the same, a 3% wage increase for 2025. Increasing specialty pay from $2.95 to $325 per month, adding the crime prevention officer to that list of positions. Shift differential pay increasing from $0.60 to $0.75 per hour. We cleaned up some holiday language, and we would be renewing all the memorandums of understanding with the agreement.

1108
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:32,140
And I'd be happy to answer any questions for you.

1109
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,800
Any questions for Rich?

1110
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,080
I'd just want to thank you for doing that work.

1111
01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:39,960
And thank the police department,

1112
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,640
considering what's going on around the country,

1113
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,320
we're very fortunate to have the police department that we have.

1114
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:47,520
Thank you, Councilman Prof.

1115
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,840
I would hold her delivery.

1116
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,140
We have a great group of folks.

1117
01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:52,680
And we definitely want to keep them.

1118
01:25:54,220 --> 01:25:56,020
Does you have some of the any other comments?

1119
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:02,360
I'll just say things for getting that info for me, it kind of verified what I thought about

1120
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,120
the cost of replacing some.

1121
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:05,400
Thank you.

1122
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:05,660
Okay.

1123
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,020
Can I get a motion on 10.1?

1124
01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:15,580
I'll make a motion approving plant now for resolution ratifying the 2023-2025 labor agreement

1125
01:26:15,580 --> 01:26:20,440
with a law enforcement labor service as LELS local number 77 seconds.

1126
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:27,860
We've been seconded that we ratified the labor agreement with the law enforcement labor of services and the other discussion

1127
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:30,000
Take the board

1128
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:38,480
Yes, I'll spend the hot. Yes, you have a good. Yes, I'll remember elder. Yes. I'll remember I summer. Yes. Thank you gentlemen

1129
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:40,140
And thank you please officers

1130
01:26:40,140 --> 01:26:42,660
Good question. Yes

1131
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:48,140
You and you had conspond London I got lost on something that you said earlier

1132
01:26:48,140 --> 01:26:59,140
You were inquiring about calls for service and things like that for the liquor license, is that what you were asking for?

1133
01:26:59,980 --> 01:27:00,820
And this reason?

1134
01:27:01,260 --> 01:27:02,460
Yes sir.

1135
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:03,500
Calls for service?

1136
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:05,920
Okay.

1137
01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:07,460
Please.

1138
01:27:08,260 --> 01:27:09,480
I believe in that call.

1139
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:11,300
Talk into the mic so I can hear you.

1140
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:16,820
I believe what Calls remember London was asking about was regarding the applicants.

1141
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:22,600
application, correct on this new license for the off-sell liquor store.

1142
01:27:23,420 --> 01:27:30,800
What I was, yeah, the question that I posed was in the past, we had received different

1143
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,340
information on the application.

1144
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:42,760
So I wasn't sure if the officer has some discretion as to what information is shared with

1145
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:49,860
us when he provides us with, you know, I approve, or if there's a standard set of information

1146
01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:50,780
that we receive.

1147
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,200
There is a standard application that they fill out.

1148
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:03,760
It does include all of their financial, all of their funding, the purchase, what their banking records

1149
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:09,900
are, all of that goes into the background and investigation that, so that's least department.

1150
01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:15,780
It's just not shared with the application isn't shared because of the data privacy roles.

1151
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,100
Oh, did that change in the last year or two?

1152
01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:28,740
No, but we have had a different detective doing the background now and he probably Tony Loser had done it in the past

1153
01:28:28,740 --> 01:28:38,860
and maybe he included additional information. I thought we were following the same procedure, but I can look into that.

1154
01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:39,760
Thank you.

1155
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:40,220
That's all.

1156
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:40,760
That's all.

1157
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:43,040
Thank you.

1158
01:28:44,580 --> 01:28:44,880
All right.

1159
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,560
Did anybody get anything else you want to talk about before we go over all of the stuff

1160
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:49,940
that's going on in the city?

1161
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:51,240
I don't know if I got that.

1162
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:53,800
I'm 39.57.

1163
01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:59,500
I know we're going to get to this at some point in a work session or something, but I want the city

1164
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:02,640
attorney to provide us with the written

1165
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:11,200
opinion from the state or what we have.

1166
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,660
I'd like to see the State Attorney General

1167
01:29:13,660 --> 01:29:17,100
for written legal opinion from the State Attorney General

1168
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:21,160
as to what can be done by the cities in these instances

1169
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,780
if we're going to be told that we can be do nothing.

1170
01:29:24,460 --> 01:29:26,320
Because what I see happening eventually

1171
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:27,940
is this is going to go to a court.

1172
01:29:28,620 --> 01:29:31,120
Is that the only thing that we seem to want to hide behind

1173
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,680
is that it's going to be the law?

1174
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,620
And at some point, I want to be able to make the recommendation

1175
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:41,360
And I already have that we revoked the license here.

1176
01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:52,320
But I want it to be well written and understood by the rest of the council so that we can move forward and actually make some progress.

1177
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:55,100
Council member, London.

1178
01:29:56,460 --> 01:29:59,960
I think the main approach is probably the rental.

1179
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,120
Registration permits.

1180
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:09,960
In terms of, if there are enough violations and the constitutes are evoking

1181
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:17,940
of that permit. So that wouldn't really have anything to do with the State Attorney General or group homes

1182
01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:27,880
per se. But that's kind of, you know, the direction we're looking at and I don't have very much information

1183
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:35,240
at all in terms of, you know, when the last complaints are made, when, you know, what

1184
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:43,040
the incidents were. So that's the information I need to have and that's what we're looking

1185
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:49,540
at. So, all right. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens, but as the time goes on and you can see

1186
01:30:49,540 --> 01:30:55,620
a year has passed, we still are dealing with the same issues here, council members and city staff.

1187
01:30:55,620 --> 01:31:05,600
And it's very unfortunate because I've dealt with other issues like this where the issue was there were no citations ever written.

1188
01:31:06,220 --> 01:31:09,360
But the police were out numerous, numerous, numerous times.

1189
01:31:09,980 --> 01:31:13,540
And for whatever reason, they just felt, you know, we're not going to write a citation.

1190
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:19,380
So if it comes back that a citation needs to be written, then everything falls apart.

1191
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,640
And that's where I'm going to say, listen, this is ridiculous.

1192
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:29,080
because I, like I said, I dealt with numerous other types of problems, other than this

1193
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:35,520
group home, where people could not live next to their neighbors, and the police kept

1194
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:40,680
coming out, and the arbitration, they went to arbitrate, nothing ever was achieved.

1195
01:31:41,380 --> 01:31:46,520
And that's a failure of government all along the way.

1196
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:53,640
So I hope to see what you propose and and show us, but it needs to be an expedited manner

1197
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:59,540
because we're already a year in, we've already lost one resident, another resident is putting

1198
01:31:59,540 --> 01:32:06,340
our house up for sale, you've got people moving out of the city, and that should not happen,

1199
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:13,280
especially as we don't live next to them, it's fine. I mean, I know that people understand the problem,

1200
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,220
And I know that some people are working within the law.

1201
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:21,360
But as I said, there's no more in my opinion,

1202
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:25,400
reason to allow this type of group home.

1203
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:26,100
There are 15.

1204
01:32:26,260 --> 01:32:28,040
I sat down with Commissioner Lundy.

1205
01:32:29,260 --> 01:32:31,000
There are 15 types of group homes.

1206
01:32:32,060 --> 01:32:34,660
This type of group home, with these types of residents,

1207
01:32:35,780 --> 01:32:40,020
need to be relocated into a place

1208
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:44,940
that doesn't exist 10 feet or 15 feet from other residential structures.

1209
01:32:45,740 --> 01:32:47,000
Leave it at that, thank

1210
01:32:50,010 --> 01:32:50,210
you.

1211
01:32:51,330 --> 01:32:56,930
I can't remember London did Commissioner Lundy give us any advice on what we could do.

1212
01:32:59,340 --> 01:33:11,640
What we need to do, according to Commissioner Lundy, is ask Senator Rest and Representative Frazier to sponsor a task force,

1213
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:20,940
which would probably run $20 million to have an outside consulting firm look at and pull together all the data within

1214
01:33:20,940 --> 01:33:32,600
an open county with all the group homes and issues that are being had, you know, probably be a 50 to 100 page report and so that's what needs to come next.

1215
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:40,540
And, you know, it should happen if they really want to solve the problem, it should happen.

1216
01:33:40,540 --> 01:33:45,060
They've known about these problems, because I've been talking about group homes for eight years.

1217
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,580
So, let's do something.

1218
01:33:51,250 --> 01:33:51,570
Yes?

1219
01:33:52,130 --> 01:34:04,570
I would encourage us then to, in speaking with Commissioner Lundy, in a period that this would be a protracted thing to get this.

1220
01:34:04,570 --> 01:34:12,530
a commission up and running and an investigation of this if we have another route such as the

1221
01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:18,350
rental registration, I think we need to look at that. I think that's what expedites it.

1222
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:19,730
So, thank you.

1223
01:34:22,290 --> 01:34:25,770
I would agree with you as well. I think something needs to be done.

1224
01:34:27,330 --> 01:34:29,630
Did you want to weigh on this chief?

1225
01:34:31,730 --> 01:34:36,830
I can. When we, one of the things comes from our line in the

1226
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:44,110
And some of the residents that we're here tonight and spoke about the situation is, you know,

1227
01:34:44,110 --> 01:34:51,590
we do feel for you the, when you spoke last year and some of the other people spoke last

1228
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:59,270
year, what had happened at the group one, that particular incident was taken here.

1229
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,180
People that were living there, it was addressed. And I think it goes kind of skew that. You know what we're talking about? No citations. You said no citations. We're issued. We don't issue citations. We deal with ordinances. We're not going to write a citation to someone that can't form intent on some of the criminal laws that you're talking about. So we work with the city attorney. We work with community development.

1230
01:35:30,220 --> 01:35:36,860
We have certain criteria that we can't go after the rental license and that was done last year.

1231
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,800
This is a new incident.

1232
01:35:38,940 --> 01:35:43,920
This is a new situation that is popping up.

1233
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,180
Granted, it has been.

1234
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,640
It is a new situation that has popped up.

1235
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,180
The incident that happened last year was taking care of.

1236
01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:53,280
It was addressed by our staff.

1237
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,020
This is new people, different people that are living there.

1238
01:35:58,020 --> 01:36:06,440
We do address it through all the apartments as the console knows we've had violations that

1239
01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:09,220
have brought owners in front of the console.

1240
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,880
So there's certain steps that we have to take and we are taking them.

1241
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,580
One of the residents is still here.

1242
01:36:17,860 --> 01:36:22,900
We gave the information that no ordinance violations were issued.

1243
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,540
There was one that came across my desk today.

1244
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:35,820
So it's an every evolving situation that we are addressing and I'm not going to ask for patients.

1245
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:42,960
I get that and I'm not asking for patients from the residents, but we are dealing with it as it evolves.

1246
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:50,300
Can you explain a little bit what happens when your issue of citation versus a disorderly behavior?

1247
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:57,360
it's too separate thing. When we issue a citation to someone that commits a crime, it's

1248
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:04,060
basically something to court. So it's saying you committed a certain crime. We're going to

1249
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:12,360
issue a citation. They get a summons basically to go in front of the judge. When we're

1250
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:18,900
issuing an ordinance violation, it starts us issuing the ordinance violation. It's between

1251
01:37:18,900 --> 01:37:26,040
me, I signed the form letter, and I believe it's Eric Hansen, sorry, is it?

1252
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:33,840
Yeah, it's more of an administrative citation, because we can enforce any violation in our city code,

1253
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:41,920
and that's so it's not a misdemeanor citation, it's an administrative citation, and that's the route.

1254
01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:43,640
I think that is being taken.

1255
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:49,480
So that the clients, the residents, you wouldn't issue a citation of them.

1256
01:37:49,780 --> 01:37:57,200
I think it's going to the owner for failure to manage, properly manage, you know, control, whatever.

1257
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:03,760
So yeah, I think the focus is on the owner who should be managing this house.

1258
01:38:03,980 --> 01:38:04,540
Yeah, again.

1259
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:10,960
Because the people, the residents are incapable of forming an intent to commit a crime.

1260
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:17,900
So, you can issue the citation and it goes to court and gets dismissed right away.

1261
01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:22,180
I can't answer for the judge, but based on...

1262
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:27,700
In your pattern of, in your history and experience, Chief, is that what you've seen has happened?

1263
01:38:28,340 --> 01:38:32,220
Almost always. They can't form intent. The judge is not going to...

1264
01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:33,220
Can't go through.

1265
01:38:34,340 --> 01:38:38,860
So, we are following the steps in the procedures that was looking for trajectors.

1266
01:38:38,860 --> 01:38:45,360
I thought you'd flip out the door, but we are currently working together and we are addressing

1267
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:52,660
the issues and we are going to meet with the city attorney and we will address the issue.

1268
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:59,940
Jonathan brought up a really interesting point. There's 15 different types of group homes and

1269
01:38:59,940 --> 01:39:05,660
the residents of this particular group home really don't belong in a residential setting.

1270
01:39:07,130 --> 01:39:08,910
Does that correct?

1271
01:39:09,870 --> 01:39:18,370
That's not from that is not for me to answer that I mean that would that that isn't for me to answer that is I I can't answer that

1272
01:39:18,370 --> 01:39:20,450
That would have to go through ahead of in county

1273
01:39:21,650 --> 01:39:22,150
Okay

1274
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:30,230
And are you bringing in the different divisions of the city that are impacted by the sort of a response?

1275
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:36,010
Yes, we are bringing in our embedded social worker along with the embedded social worker

1276
01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:42,570
there is someone that specializes in dealing with group homes and we will meet with

1277
01:39:43,250 --> 01:39:48,910
some of the residents tomorrow and we are meeting with the owner of that particular group.

1278
01:39:50,890 --> 01:39:59,970
And the 60 calls that they kept bringing up. Those aren't all behavioral problems. Those are...

1279
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,780
Medical also? Well, there's a wide array of calls that come into group homes, and that particular group

1280
01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:14,540
home. There's medical calls, there's informational calls, either from the county or from staff or from

1281
01:40:14,540 --> 01:40:25,680
the owner. It's just very easy, but as far as ordinance violations that we can address, not all

1282
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,560
60 of them are ordinance violations.

1283
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:29,820
Okay, thank you.

1284
01:40:30,060 --> 01:40:31,400
Any other questions?

1285
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:32,060
Come on.

1286
01:40:33,340 --> 01:40:36,180
Okay, let's move on to the upcoming events.

1287
01:40:37,940 --> 01:40:40,340
So Friday, July 1st, from 11 to 2,

1288
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:44,220
is the food truck Friday at City Hall on Saturday 2nd from 9 to 1.

1289
01:40:44,220 --> 01:40:46,540
Is the community farmers market?

1290
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,720
I have to tell people that we only use Minnesota grown stuff,

1291
01:40:51,260 --> 01:40:53,460
so don't expect corn on the cob yet.

1292
01:40:53,460 --> 01:41:05,120
It's not there, and Monday the fourth Independence Day the officers are closed and there's no human rights commission meeting that day, and the fifth and Tuesday is the planning commission meeting at 7 o'clock at City Hall

1293
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:14,700
The sixth at one 30 securing water commission meeting and at 7 to 830 is music in the park. Sawyer's dream I understand that's a 70's band

1294
01:41:15,380 --> 01:41:22,480
They're at the New Hope Performance Center and the eighth is 11 to two is food to Friday again at City Hall

1295
01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:29,560
12 o'clock is the crepe prevention fund, golf tournament. I understand that that may get

1296
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:35,740
put off for a while because there's not a lot of people sign up for that. So before you come

1297
01:41:35,740 --> 01:41:40,800
to play golf on the ace, you better check with the police department. Okay, and the ninth is

1298
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:47,400
91 is the farmers market on the 11th. There's no city council meeting on the 12th of July,

1299
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:53,300
which is Susan Rader's birthday from 8.30 to 8 at night is the Community Conversations hosted

1300
01:41:53,300 --> 01:41:58,560
by the New Hope Human Rights Commission at Civic Center Park and at 7 o'clock is the Citizens

1301
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:05,600
of the Advisory Commission meeting. On the 13th at 6.30 is West Metro Fire Rescue Board meeting

1302
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:11,740
at station number three, on the 14th at 12.30 is the Signal Creek Watershed Management Commission.

1303
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:16,760
9.15 is to 10.45 is movies in the park.

1304
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,100
They're showing the Lion King sponsored by the New Hope Lions.

1305
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,240
And on Friday the 15th there's no food truck because there's a regional swimming.

1306
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,440
And on the 16th there's no farmers market because of the regional swimming.

1307
01:42:30,980 --> 01:42:35,880
And if you remember when we decided to build a pool we got some money from the swimming clubs

1308
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,580
and that was part of the contract that we would let them have a regional swimming.

1309
01:42:40,580 --> 01:42:47,560
So Monday the 18th is no council meeting or I'm sorry no work session on the 20th of July

1310
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:53,120
at 3 o'clock is a business networking meeting and I believe it's a pocket square.

1311
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:55,340
Okay that's been confirmed, okay.

1312
01:42:55,640 --> 01:43:00,140
At 3 o'clock on Thursday the 21st at 830 is the Baxter Creek Watershed Management Commission

1313
01:43:00,140 --> 01:43:00,740
meeting.

1314
01:43:01,900 --> 01:43:04,600
And Thursday the Saturday is the off Broadway.

1315
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:10,320
I just have an amazing technical or dream coat and the performance center starts at 8 o'clock.

1316
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,460
You're asking for a $4 free-world donation for that.

1317
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:21,400
Friday the 22nd from 11 o'clock is Food Truck Friday and City Hall and on the 23rd from 91

1318
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:26,940
is New Hope Power as Market and Lord behold, on the 25th, they're going to have a consummating

1319
01:43:26,940 --> 01:43:30,820
at 7 o'clock. So that pretty much takes care of the light,

1320
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:32,980
right?

1321
01:43:35,180 --> 01:43:36,980
Okay. Michael, do you want to?

1322
01:43:36,980 --> 01:43:39,520
Yes, I would like to make a motion to adjourn this meeting.

1323
01:43:39,860 --> 01:43:40,340
Sir, come.

1324
01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:41,980
We'll do the second on the favor.

1325
01:43:42,820 --> 01:43:43,880
Be a good adjourn. Thank you, gentlemen.