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[0:09] We'll say the council meeting of June 27th to order, scheduled by July 10th.
[0:29] Take the roll, please. Mayor Hamken here, council member Alder.
[0:34] I'll swim for Isomper here.
[0:36] I'll swim for London.
[0:37] Yes.
[0:37] Let's swim for Hof.
[0:39] Thank you.
[0:40] I'm also to prove the regular meeting minutes of June 13.
[0:42] So moved.
[0:44] The second that we prove the regular meeting minutes of June 13.
[0:47] Any discussion?
[0:50] Sign up.
[0:50] Take the vote.
[0:51] I'll swim for Elder.
[0:53] I'll swim for Isomper.
[0:54] Yes.
[0:54] That's member London.
[0:55] Yes.
[0:56] I'll swim for Hof.
[0:57] Yes.
[0:57] Yes.
[0:58] At this time we have an open form.
[1:00] Anyone wishing to address the council.
[1:02] on a matter that is not on this agenda may do so at the site and I'm going to ask you to
[1:09] sign make sure you sign in with either an email or a phone number so that the police department
[1:14] or the community development folks can get a hold of you if they need to and keep your comments
[1:19] in three minutes if you could please.
[1:25] Thank you. My name is Evan Swanson. Say it again. My name is Evan Swanson.
[1:31] Thank you. I live it 3 9 4 9 list constantly. And then I've been in correspondence with
[1:38] going to be already this week and over the last month. So if I look and sound tired today,
[1:45] because I am very tired. I'm tired because I lay awake and I worry. I'm tired because I get a
[1:52] sinking feeling in my stomach when I turn on my block. I'm tired because I worry every day from my
[1:59] from my wife's safety to the safety of my neighbors.
[2:04] One year ago tomorrow, the former owner of my home bar came to you and told you all that
[2:09] the house next door had become scary, really scary.
[2:13] You can re-watch them eating yourself, the Steak Council,
[2:16] archives are online June 27, 2021.
[2:20] Regretfully, my wife and I were unaware of the city archives when we purchased our first home.
[2:26] We were so elated that we could finally buy and afford a home, and we thought we found a place to start a family.
[2:35] Now I keep an Excel sheet. Calculating how many days I have to live in New Hope before I can afford the cell.
[2:43] You are all aware of the property issues of 395-7 in this continent.
[2:50] Last year, Mayor Hempkin respectfully asked that the citizens who came and assembled gathered
[2:58] that they not repeat the same story over and over again, which is a fair request.
[3:03] I have the same request, not to live the same story over and over again every few days,
[3:09] every few weeks.
[3:11] The swearing and shouting next door keeps us from drawing our deck, and sometimes even
[3:16] inside of our own home.
[3:19] A window was knocked out of the second story a week ago, and he is yet to be replaced,
[3:24] ladders, and old windows sit in the backyard on attended.
[3:28] The lawn and the building are going into disrepair.
[3:32] And if you don't care about me or my wife, but I would ask you to think about the individuals
[3:36] at the property.
[3:37] How could anyone live or rehabilitate in that environment?
[3:42] And here to tell you that I'm not opposed to group homes.
[3:44] I have a little sister with mental disabilities and I can only imagine what would happen to her if she didn't have family to take care of her.
[3:52] I'm not here so you can reassure me the things are being done.
[3:57] I do not need to be reminded that it's complicated and that there are many departments involved.
[4:02] I know that there are county licenses and city licenses and laws that give us due process
[4:13] and that there's much consideration that goes into these properties.
[4:18] And here to ask you to put yourselves in my shoes,
[4:22] I want you to ask yourself, this is the type of city you want,
[4:26] one where the newest residents fear for the safety,
[4:29] and want to sell before integrating themselves into the community.
[4:35] Do you really think we will stay in a house where we feel uncomfortable
[4:39] with a shouting and the property are falling apart?
[4:43] Do you think we tell our friends when their house is going up for sale in our neighborhood?
[4:51] I'm here tonight to ask you specifically the City Council and Mayor Hemkin to advocate for me and my wife for the residents of the home.
[5:00] Next door. And for the rest of our neighbors in the community, is it complicated, yes? Are there legal considerations, yes?
[5:11] So, help me. Talk to the county, talk to the state. I know you have already, but I'm asking you again, because
[5:19] whether or not there's been anything done to date from where I live. It sure doesn't feel like it.
[5:26] So I've reached out to you all individually and I have an open invitation to any of you to discuss this ongoing issue.
[5:36] Our home is open if you would like to come sit on our back porch.
[5:42] I usually have to hold my breath when we have people over.
[5:45] When my sister and her three children are there,
[5:47] or when my wife comes up, or when my mother comes up to visit us.
[5:54] So that is my request for your help, for your advocacy.
[5:58] I know you're concerned already, but concern is not enough at this point.
[6:05] Thank you for your time.
[6:06] Thank you.
[6:07] Evan, did you leave the email address first?
[6:10] Well, okay.
[6:11] Thank you very much.
[6:20] I'm Jeff Harper.
[6:22] I'm Evan Staber.
[6:23] I was here last year.
[6:25] Jeff Harper.
[6:26] H-A-R-P-E-R.
[6:30] And I'd like to start by telling you how much I love live in a new world.
[6:33] Raise my three kids here.
[6:35] went to Armstrong. It's been good. It was not exaggerating.
[6:44] I mean, just a few examples.
[6:47] So let's just, let's just, so if I went out my backyard, the neighbor's wife is out there,
[6:54] and I threatened her in the most horrible, awful way possible. I would imagine something
[7:00] happen to me, right? I mean, shouldn't it? How about, you know, if the neighbors are having
[7:07] a party and kids are involved, and I'm out my backyard as a resident, and I decide it's too
[7:13] far to go inside to go to the bathroom. Public urination, right? Shouldn't something happen?
[7:19] Shouldn't something be done? No, this is from a year ago, but it continues.
[7:28] You know,
[7:29] side, my new neighbor's outside, wonderful young lady.
[7:33] And I'm going to try to make a little legal solicit
[7:35] drug sale, you know, or buy, you know, or what, you know,
[7:39] it's just, it's incontradible.
[7:44] So as a resident, nobody would put up with this.
[7:47] Not at all.
[7:48] I mean, and this is now 60 times they've been,
[7:50] we come home and the police are outside.
[7:53] Nobody's arguing, who comes.
[7:56] I will say this about this place.
[7:58] It's not private.
[8:00] It should have never been there.
[8:01] It should not be allowed to be there.
[8:03] They cannot keep within the walls what they're trying to do.
[8:07] The owner does not live in New Hope.
[8:10] It's run as a business and Evans correct, they don't.
[8:15] I mean, they have a plant that's been dead for three years and it's still hang
[8:18] up in the front of the house.
[8:20] And those are minor things.
[8:22] But I mean, threats, drug solicitation, public urination.
[8:26] My wife got chased out of the yard.
[8:28] Within two weeks ago with obscenities, you know, I don't say a lot, dad or her what?
[8:35] She's just out in the grass gardening. You know, beautiful backyard. Everybody gets along.
[8:42] All these rules that if I did any of this or my neighbor did any of this,
[8:48] there's no way. But this, why is this allowed? Why did they get a pass? And it's like heaven said y'all know it. You know, it's getting a pass.
[8:58] It's classified it's it's I got a lot of nice emails and please don't send me any more
[9:03] I don't want calls or letters because you know, it's all been polite
[9:07] Like the fact that matter is is it's being classified in a way that nobody wants to deal with it
[9:13] Nobody's gonna deal with it. It's been over a year
[9:16] People are selling their houses everybody is talking about we do we just need to move you're gonna let this one place that's owned by somebody that doesn't live in New Hope
[9:24] chase the whole neighborhood, hoping that other people will live in and put up with it.
[9:30] Now I'm getting angry again. I do what I just as I didn't want to speak.
[9:35] It just, I don't understand why if it's good for a resident, it should be good for this place.
[9:40] The owners should be held accountable.
[9:41] I mean, it's ridiculous. They knocked out the back window and a place that already, you can hear the conversations.
[9:48] I mean, if they're on their deck, it's a small consiguer that's accustomed to swear,
[9:51] And I could tell you to prepare them what they're saying when I'm out on my death.
[9:54] And I have a little dog that barks and I don't let it bark too much.
[10:00] I'm worried about what the neighbor's going to think.
[10:02] And when I walk by, there's another one down in the corner, I talk to the residents, they're
[10:06] wonderful.
[10:08] It's not that, it's the owner, it's the type of house, that's not private.
[10:13] The type of business they're trying to do there should be.
[10:16] It shouldn't be in Evan and Josie's living room or in last year.
[10:22] I think he really understood it.
[10:24] It would be nice to go back because when Barb came here at 85-year-old woman, my neighbor, for over 20 years.
[10:29] the most mellow, comperson, was terrified by the world's going on in that house.
[10:36] All is an individual, I think it's the owner.
[10:39] They put people in there and they don't do anything about it until they see if they fit.
[10:44] There's no work with the psychologist or the county or anybody to say this is someone that's going to work good in this house.
[10:52] We're going to get a landscaping place, we're going to cut the grass, we're going to make it look good.
[10:56] So it's nice for the people in there, they'll enjoy being there, they'll be good neighbors.
[11:01] And we've been told, you call 911 and I get the last time the policeman called me
[11:06] back and he was very nice on the phone, played.
[11:10] The suggestion was kind of that, you know, the weather's warm and up, so you should probably
[11:15] you know, expect to tolerate this, because we know all about it, nothing we can do or
[11:18] hands or time.
[11:21] Not exactly what I wanted here, when I called because someone's out there,
[11:25] and swearing, and I think there is throwing the
[11:27] identities out my wife.
[11:32] You know, I hear all the time, would you put up with this?
[11:34] I don't think anybody should have put up with this.
[11:37] Group homes are great.
[11:38] I spent 35 years as a service technician.
[11:41] We had contracts.
[11:42] I worked for a series of robots.
[11:43] I had contracts to do their entertainment,
[11:45] and their treadmills,
[11:47] and their microwaves, and their washing machines.
[11:50] You go on a most of them.
[11:52] They were well-run.
[11:53] People were polite.
[11:54] They had everybody.
[11:55] It was a nice home.
[11:56] There's many different definitions of the home.
[12:00] And I think the expectations should be the same for all of them.
[12:03] If my home, if I was so abusive inside my home,
[12:06] that the neighbors across the street could hear me with the windows closed,
[12:10] that should not be permitted.
[12:11] That's for a resonance, a group home, whatever.
[12:14] This particular place is not kept within the walls.
[12:19] And that always is the same thing.
[12:20] Well, you know, we went over there and knocked on the door,
[12:22] and everything seems okay.
[12:24] It's ridiculous.
[12:24] Just ridiculous. I believe there's been 60 calls in the last year. So, you know, let's, let's, let's, just please.
[12:35] I agree. Evan and Josie are a godson to me and my family because they're wonderful neighbors.
[12:41] I would love to be there in my retirement and watch them raise a family.
[12:45] But you know what? I'm probably going to move right behind them because I don't want to put up with it anymore.
[12:49] And everybody, you know, is allowing it.
[12:51] It's being allowed to happen, and it shouldn't be.
[12:56] Thank you.
[12:57] Thank you, Jim.
[13:09] I'm Carol Klein.
[13:10] I live at 394, eight Wisconsin.
[13:12] I have new.
[13:14] I'd rather not be here today talking to you,
[13:16] because I was here 365 days ago.
[13:19] And it's really saddened.
[13:20] I'm saddened.
[13:22] And disturbed is the fact that, for us,
[13:24] it seems like nothing has happened.
[13:27] Last night, I rewatched what we each said,
[13:29] spoke about, and a lot of things came up that I went, oh yeah, that's right. But I also
[13:35] really paid attention because all five of you are the same that we're here 364 days ago.
[13:41] So what I'd like to do is just remind you of the things that you spoke to us. Mayor,
[13:46] you said you want us to talk to you. You said we're trying to take care of these problems.
[13:52] You said it's not in your jurisdiction. You said you didn't know if they had a rental license
[13:57] but during the night it was confirmed they do and I do believe that they do.
[14:02] You said the notes that were being taken that night were going to be forwarded to the county.
[14:06] You also said something is happening.
[14:09] You took our email addresses and said you would give back to us, never did.
[14:15] Councilmember Elder, you believe that individuals need different allocations of needs.
[14:21] I completely agree with you on that.
[14:22] And I think this house is potentially exactly that.
[14:27] You said the notes would go to the legislature and to the county.
[14:31] You said that council and police departments are hearing us,
[14:34] and we'll do all it is possible.
[14:38] You said you need documentation that there are issues,
[14:41] so you encourage us to continue to call 911.
[14:45] We do, and we have.
[14:48] But nothing happens.
[14:51] The city has a relationship with the county, you said, so they can help.
[14:55] We want to help you, you said.
[14:58] And you said this is beyond disturbing.
[15:01] But you need to follow due process, we understand. Questions from those of us that were here that night, somebody said, what can we do to help? We are all saying, what can we do? We're not just saying, here it is, here's the problem. We're happy to help. We'll meet with whoever, talk with whoever. Somebody said, we're looking for your help.
[15:25] They said, the residents, they are need help. They aren't getting it. They need to be taken care of. All of us have expressed
[15:31] concerned with who's living there, we're very concerned for their well-being.
[15:37] Somebody asked to kind of encounter health and human services could attend the meeting.
[15:42] A word used was chaos, I think that defines it head-on.
[15:48] Somebody asked who else do we need to talk to?
[15:50] Not next year, not in six months, soon.
[15:55] But here we are, 365 days later.
[15:58] We care about people, special needs, need to be taken care of.
[16:04] People want something done.
[16:07] Somebody suggested we go to the media.
[16:10] We might be there.
[16:13] Jonathan London made a motion to look at revoke in the license.
[16:17] After discussion, everyone seemed to agree with that.
[16:21] You also asked if Frasier and Rest could be at a special meeting.
[16:26] This was later on in the meeting.
[16:28] Today I watched what you guys spoke after we walked out.
[16:31] So, Jonathan, you talked about that.
[16:33] Mary, you asked for a special vote.
[16:36] Once you had the info that you needed from the city attorney.
[16:40] You said, I don't want to wait for the next month for the meeting.
[16:43] If we have it, we can get the information and decide we want to do it now.
[16:48] You didn't even want to wait till the next meeting.
[16:50] But we hear we are a year later and nothing has happened.
[16:55] And then Jeff Sergeant had said he needed to ask the city attorney
[16:57] those questions.
[16:59] I personally have children 13 and 15.
[17:02] My 13 year old loves to shoot baskets.
[17:04] We have a basketball hoop.
[17:06] He's afraid to go up front.
[17:07] Even if I'm out there with him, that's not okay.
[17:11] And this might sign sound my new.
[17:13] But if I put my garbage can out four hours early,
[17:17] Or if I don't put it away tomorrow night before I go to bed, I'll get a letter.
[17:23] But these people do things way worse than that.
[17:27] But nothing seems to happen.
[17:29] And the frustrating part is, here we are, a year later, and for us nothing's changed.
[17:36] And something needs to.
[17:37] Thank you.
[17:40] Thank you, Joe.
[17:47] Anyone else?
[17:50] Anybody want to talk about something besides Wisconsin Avenue?
[17:57] Okay.
[17:57] Well,
[18:02] then we'll move on to the presentation, presentation of an award, before I do that,
[18:08] let me just tell you, we typically take comment, we don't, we the council don't give
[18:15] comment back.
[18:22] We just don't, you know, we don't answer your questions about what we do take
[18:26] the comment and then we meet with the police chief in the city directorism. We're very frustrated
[18:36] Okay, five point one, the presentation of the Board of Excellence for the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association.
[18:47] Good evening Mayor, City Council.
[18:49] Thank you for having us here tonight.
[18:50] We'd like to bring forward item 5.1 and staff requests that the City Council accept this award of excellence from the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association.
[18:59] This award is being given to the City for the Civic Center Park and Pool Project and the Parks and Facilities category.
[19:05] Elizabeth Owens will present the award on behalf of the MRPA Awards Committee
[19:10] Welcome to Elizabeth and I'm Aaron Dillon recreation supervisor Parks and
[19:17] Recreation Jeff. Aaron. I didn't hear what you just said you'll last
[19:23] day. Yeah, thank you. Aaron Dillon recreation supervisor Parks and Recreation
[19:27] Recreation. Got it. Thank you. And Tony Porter's on Recreation
[19:30] Facility Supervisor Parks and Recreation.
[19:40] Good evening Mayor and council members. Thank
[19:43] very much for having me here tonight. I am Elizabeth Owens, and I'm here tonight
[19:48] representing Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association Awards Committee. This evening,
[19:55] it is my honor to present the Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association.
[20:01] In 2021, a word of excellence to the City of New Hope for the Civic Center Park and Pool project. Before I dig too much into that, I'd like to take a few minutes to tell you about Minnesota Recreation and Parks Association.
[20:16] Our association was formed in 1937 to foster the growth and development of the Parks and Recreation
[20:25] Profession.
[20:27] Presently, we have nearly 900 members throughout the entire state.
[20:33] Members of our association come from municipal, county, state, district, commercial, and private agencies.
[20:41] The Minnesota Recreation and Parks Awards Committee was created in 1987, with a purpose to acknowledge individual members and agencies for their excellence in the field of parks, recreation and leisure services.
[21:00] The awards of excellence, which is what I'm here to present tonight, is our annual program
[21:08] that recognizes agencies and their staff for an exceptional project that was either implemented
[21:15] in 2021 or receives substantial revisions. The awards of excellence program is presented by Minnesota
[21:24] recreation and parks association and proudly sponsored by our partner, Highway Credit Union.
[21:32] Association members may nominate a project for an award of excellence in seven
[21:37] different categories. Nominations are received, reviewed, evaluated, and scored by all of our committee
[21:47] This year we received 35 applications and only the top scoring nominations are selected to receive an award of excellence.
[22:00] This year, the Civic Center Park and Pool Project is receiving an award of excellence in the Park and Facility category.
[22:08] Whereas committee members were impressed with the stunning amenities, the beautiful design and the increase of park use.
[22:19] We were most impressed with the strategic planning process.
[22:24] The community relationships maximized and the community impact this exceptional park will have for years to come.
[22:33] I would be in this, if I did not think, Erin and Tony, for the time and the energy that
[22:39] they gave to this application and the nomination process.
[22:45] So, on behalf of Minnesota Recreation and Parks Associations Awards Committee, it is my pleasure
[22:50] tonight to present an award of excellence to the New Hope City Council for its award winning
[22:58] project, the Civic Center Park and Pool project.
[23:22] Thank you, Elizabeth, Mayor and Coltsville.
[23:25] Thank you very much for having us here.
[23:27] And what a project, as you all know,
[23:30] there was a lot that went into this project.
[23:32] And we couldn't do without you with staff, the engineers,
[23:37] the contractors, everyone made this such a beautiful facility.
[23:41] This whole area is just wonderful.
[23:43] And as you can tell on a day like today, it's busy.
[23:45] And that's exactly what I want to say.
[23:46] There's so many people enjoying themselves having fun.
[23:48] And we're just so proud of this project.
[23:50] So thank you.
[23:53] Tony, do you have anything to say?
[23:56] Do you want to talk about the 1,616 people we had?
[24:00] We could go Tuesday?
[24:02] Yeah.
[24:02] We've had a couple of record-breaking days this year.
[24:06] We served a lot of people since last year when we opened.
[24:11] I think it was about 46,000 people over the course of the last year.
[24:14] We're up to 15,000 this year, about 16,000.
[24:18] And just really happy to be able to serve that many people and employee that many employees
[24:25] and just get everyone out and join the park.
[24:30] Thank you.
[24:30] Thanks.
[24:31] Thanks, guys.
[24:35] Okay.
[24:36] Let's move on to the consent business.
[24:40] Good evening, Madam Mayor.
[24:41] Council Tim White.
[24:42] I think City Manager and Chief of Police.
[24:45] We have seven consent items on tonight's agenda.
[24:47] item 6.1 involves Viking Licker, which is located at 71-41-42nd Avenue North, which
[24:55] was recently sold and the new owner is requesting approval of a tobacco license.
[25:00] The liquor license will be considered under 7.1.
[25:04] Also, the gas station at 9,436 Avenue North changed ownership, and the new owner is requesting approval
[25:10] of a gas station car wash into tackle licenses. All paperwork and fees have been received.
[25:17] Item 6.2 involved routine financial claims. Item 6.4, appoint selection judges for the elections as
[25:25] all in accordance with Minnesota state statutes.
[25:28] The city has eight precincts that require staffing level
[25:31] of four to 70 election judges per polling place.
[25:36] City Clerk valiant and I recommend approval.
[25:40] Item 6.5 accepts donations totaling $1,800 for the movies
[25:44] in the park and music in the park programs
[25:46] that are being offered during the summer of 2022.
[25:50] Sponsors include the U.S. Metro Fire Rescue Exillery,
[25:53] the New Hope Lions Club, Thrivent, the New Hope Women of today in Affinity Plus Credit Union,
[26:01] Directorator and I recommend acceptance of these donations.
[26:05] Item 6.6 accepts contributions totaling $400 from several organizations
[26:10] for the 2021-2020 to donate, make you wonder, and author series programs.
[26:17] New Hope Parks and Recreation Department, along with neighboring cities,
[26:20] response from monthly events that attract many older adults.
[26:24] Directorator and I recommend acceptance of these contributions.
[26:29] Item 6.7 authorizes Pub-42 with the assistance of the Lions Club to conduct
[26:35] liquor sales at the July 15th through 17th stop all tournaments at Victory Park
[26:39] and Northwood Park.
[26:41] Pub-42 holds an on sale liquor license and is eligible to dispense
[26:45] speaker at community festivals without any additional licenses per state statute.
[26:51] Last year, beer was sold at Victory Park in Arthur Park, and there were no incidents.
[26:56] Pub42 provided the necessary certificate of insurance, and the police department will
[27:01] be asked to conduct a compliance check to ensure there are no underage sales.
[27:06] The city clerk and I recommend approval.
[27:09] Item 6.8 approves waving the permit fees for temporary sign permit fees, and a special
[27:14] has a permit required for a tent, totaling $165.
[27:19] The Lions Club will be hosting the corn feed on August 10th from 4 p.m. to 830 p.m.
[27:26] at the parking lot in your lifetime fitness lot.
[27:30] Director Sergeant and I recommend approval.
[27:35] Any questions for Chief?
[27:39] Yes, thank you.
[27:40] Chief Hoyt, Acting City Manager of Hoyt, I guess, in the approval for the business licenses.
[27:49] Are you familiar at all, or maybe someone else, in terms of the data that we're receiving now?
[27:55] At one time, we used to receive some financial data.
[27:59] There used to be assets and liabilities along with when someone applied for a liquor license.
[28:05] Specifically, I can't remember what it was.
[28:07] New hope, liquor, or something.
[28:09] They are next to where the old coffee shop was.
[28:12] I remember, at the time.
[28:14] I don't see that with this application.
[28:16] So I'm just wondering if anything is changed,
[28:19] that you're aware of.
[28:20] That data that we receive for liquor licenses,
[28:23] that is back in my office.
[28:25] So I don't have it.
[28:26] I mean, we compile all the data as far as a number of calls
[28:29] that we have there.
[28:30] If we've had anything of importance that I need
[28:34] to tell the council, I don't have that with me,
[28:37] but I can get it for you.
[28:39] Okay, I just ask for consistency.
[28:41] And then on the six seven item,
[28:45] well, the compliance checks occur at both locations.
[28:49] Yes.
[28:50] Thank you.
[28:52] Any other questions?
[28:54] Can I get a motion on the consent business?
[28:56] I'll make a motion approving consent agenda item 6.16.26.4 through 6.8 second.
[29:03] We've been seconded that we approve the items on the consent business and the other discussion.
[29:09] Take a vote.
[29:13] Yes.
[29:13] That's number one.
[29:14] Yes.
[29:15] That's number one.
[29:15] Yes.
[29:16] Here I am, Ken.
[29:17] And Council member Alder.
[29:19] Thank you.
[29:20] 7.1, a motion of proving in off-sale liquor license to sonar LLC doing business
[29:27] have biking liquor at 471-41-42nd, have you know it?
[29:35] At 7.1 is a public hearing to consider granting and off sale intoxicating liquor license
[29:41] to soon our LLC on Viking liquor.
[29:44] It's located at 7141-42nd Avenue, North.
[29:47] The business was recently sold to Rajeev Sunar.
[29:52] He is in attendance this evening and is here to answer questions by the council.
[29:56] The required background investigation was conducted, and there's...
[30:00] And nothing detrimental to report. The applicant understands the city's ordinance relative to compliance checks, and the 2022 license fee is pro-rated as followed by city ordinance.
[30:12] And the city clerk and I recommend approval. And Rajis is here.
[30:17] You'd like to come to the podium and give us your name and tell us what you're about to do.
[30:23] Hi, good evening everybody. My name is Rajasana, and I just moved from Atlanta over here.
[30:32] I'm just living in a salt-beez apartment right now. I've just recently moved over a week before.
[30:39] And I assume my family background is actually the business, and we still own the business.
[30:44] this, my family is taking care in the management and from the past also I have been doing
[30:51] business with my family business is going on right now and I have been doing business
[30:56] from Texas 2 and 2010s until now and that's all my family backgrounds and that's why I was trying
[31:05] to move here for New York because my cousin will live down here and that's why I was
[31:12] You must interest it on liquid business that I did before too, and I'm aware of the law
[31:18] of the liquid business, too, by selling the miners, and others too.
[31:25] So, we are very strict about selling alcohol and tobacco to miners.
[31:30] And we do compliance checks.
[31:32] And you don't want to have to stand in front of me and explain why you didn't comply.
[31:41] Yep.
[31:42] I'll go truck to stay on your parking lot.
[31:44] Yes, please.
[31:47] Any other questions?
[31:49] And Janet?
[31:50] Madam Mayor, thank you.
[31:53] Sooner or...
[31:54] I guess one of the things...
[31:57] Mr. Sooner.
[31:58] I was having a little trouble of understanding you.
[32:01] Did you say that you're wanting to move to New Hope?
[32:04] Where do you live now?
[32:05] I live in South Beach.
[32:07] My address is 42.73.
[32:10] 46th Avenue now.
[32:11] in the Salad Bizepon Mint.
[32:15] Sorry, Salad Bizepon Mint is on the new.
[32:19] New, New, New.
[32:21] Okay, I apologize.
[32:23] All right, very good.
[32:24] I thought you were living somewhere else.
[32:28] And that's just really what I wanted to understand.
[32:30] Thank you, Salad.
[32:31] Thank you.
[32:32] Any other questions?
[32:36] Thank you.
[32:37] Thank you, Salad.
[32:37] So can I get a motion, too?
[32:39] Is there anyone in the audience that would like to address the session?
[32:43] Seeing that, can I get a motion to close the public hearing?
[32:46] So moved.
[32:48] Move to the second.
[32:48] That we close the public hearing on the off sale license for Sunar LLC doing business
[32:55] as Viking liquor and the other discussion on that.
[32:58] Take the vote?
[33:01] Yes.
[33:03] Yes.
[33:04] Yes.
[33:04] Yes.
[33:04] That's for elder.
[33:05] And constant for isover.
[33:06] Yes.
[33:07] Thank you.
[33:07] I need a motion of proving and off-sale liquor license to Sunar LLC doing business at Viking
[33:14] liquor at 41 or 71 or 41 or 41 or 42.
[33:17] I'll make a motion of proving at some point.
[33:19] Want to prove in an off-sale liquor license to Sunar LLC, DBA Viking liquor, 71, 41,
[33:25] 42nd Avenue North.
[33:27] Oh, second.
[33:28] Move to the second.
[33:28] Is that we approve this off-sale liquor license any other discussion?
[33:34] Take a vote.
[33:37] Yes.
[33:38] Yes.
[33:38] I'll swim for Alder.
[33:39] I'll swim for Eisenberg.
[33:41] Yes.
[33:41] I'll swim for London.
[33:42] Yes.
[33:43] Welcome to doing business in New Hope.
[33:45] Thank you for being here.
[33:47] Thank you.
[33:48] You remember what I told you about?
[33:50] Yes.
[33:50] Okay.
[33:53] Okay.
[33:53] 8.
[33:54] One of the resolution improvement additional use permit for open outdoor storage area relating
[33:59] to the real property.
[34:00] Okay.
[34:00] at 92-10 Science Center Drive, New Hope Planning Case 22-01.
[34:35] Testing, there we go.
[34:36] Palette 1 is just to give you a brief description.
[34:41] Palette 1 is one of the largest palette manufacturers in the country.
[34:45] The new hope facility will be used for delivering new palettes as well as an intake and
[34:51] outtake for cycling old palettes.
[34:54] and open outdoor storage area will be used for by the applicant to store their own.
[35:02] So
[35:05] this is the proposed site plan. A conditional use permit is needed if the storage area would exceed 20% of the building's gross footage area.
[35:17] So the building, in this case, is approximately 55,000 square feet in the proposed storage area is 20,000 square feet, which triggers the need for a conditional use permit.
[35:28] If you look at this proposed site plan, these gray areas are the proposed expansion areas.
[35:33] You can see a loading dock.
[35:37] So all the open outdoor storage area will be done on that eastern parking lot.
[35:43] There's a little bit of pavement going in on the western parking lot, but that is not part
[35:48] of the open outdoor storage.
[35:52] Just a quick glance at the actual property.
[35:54] This is the western side of the property.
[35:56] And on the eastern side, where the open outdoor storage area will take place, I should note this is an old photo, so those cars are no longer there, they don't need that parking.
[36:08] And then this little green belt that you can see here, this is where the proposed screening will take place that I'll discuss later.
[36:16] So, the applicant is proposing to store 45 semi-trailers, you can see 19 stalls here on the northern side and 26 stalls on the southern side and that those blacks, those black and white strips you see are concrete pads to rest the trailers on.
[36:40] So part of open outdoor storage is that if part of the requirements are it must be surfaced
[36:46] with concrete or a two-minute material and it also requires perimeter curbing all around
[36:55] the paved area so they will be doing the applicant will be doing as you can see here
[37:02] these blue lines indicate where all the standard curbing will take place and then that red line
[37:07] on the northern side indicates where there'll be some multiple curbing to allow for drainage
[37:12] on the property.
[37:14] There's a, if you remember from earlier, there's a storm water pond at the northern part
[37:17] of the property, and that's where all that water from that paved area will be draining to.
[37:24] And then also, let's see, one of the big things with temporary outdoor storage is screening
[37:32] in landscaping, a conditional use permit requires that all temporary outdoor storage is screened
[37:40] from the right of way.
[37:44] And in certain instances security, Fencing is also required. But in
[37:48] this case, it's just trailers, so security Fencing is not required as long as all semi-trailers
[37:53] are being locked and secured during that business hours. I just want to go over some of
[37:59] This is the applicant's plan for screening.
[38:02] They're proposing to install 21 Colorado green spruce trees.
[38:11] At installation, they'll be four to six feet high and grow eight inches.
[38:15] Approximately eight inches annually until they reach a height of 20 to 30 feet.
[38:21] You can see here they have 18 trees placed on that sort of that island right there.
[38:27] and then staff also requested another three to four additional trees being stalled on that
[38:33] eastern side of the eastern parking lot entrance and the applicant was amenable to that.
[38:40] So in terms of zoning criteria, the applicants proposal met all zoning code criteria for
[38:47] the industrial zone area.
[38:52] A public hearing was conducted at the June 7th Planning Commission meeting
[38:55] property owners within 500 feet were notified by mail. Public hearing notice was published
[39:00] in the sun post and on the city website and a notice of land use petition sign was installed
[39:07] on the property and there was no one to speak at the Planning Commission meeting.
[39:14] So the recommendation,
[39:16] the Planning Commission recommended approval of the request of the seven to zero vote subject
[39:20] to the following conditions. All outdoor storage areas shall be screened and landscape from
[39:26] Jason right away. Number two, Jason are the applicant must add three Colorado spruce trees
[39:33] to their plan and locate them on the east side of the easternmost parking lot entrance in line
[39:39] with those on the west side of the entrance. Number three, the outdoor storage is exclusive to
[39:45] semi trailers and the semi trailers stored on the lot must be locked and secured. Number four,
[39:51] The outdoor storage area must be surfaced with concrete or
[39:54] bituminous material and a perimeter curving provided in the areas
[39:58] directed by the city engineer.
[40:01] Number 5, grading, drainage, stormwater management, and wetland delineation, protection, and restoration plans shall be subject to review and final approval by the city engineer and stormwater specialist.
[40:14] Number 6, outdoor storage area shall not occupy, required for parking, loading areas or access drives.
[40:24] If the number seven of the Hitchiner plans to add outdoor lighting, which they do not in their
[40:28] plan currently, they shall submit a photometric plan that shall meet minimum lighting standards
[40:33] for buildings, parking lots and pedestrian areas, number eight, the petitioner shall enter into
[40:38] a stormwater maintenance agreement with the city to be recorded with the offices of the
[40:42] Hitchiner County Registrar of titles and Hitchiner County Recorder, which shall cover all
[40:47] stormwater improvements to be prepared by the city attorney.
[40:51] Number nine, owner and petitioner are required to address refuse and upkeep of property
[40:56] area used for outdoor storage activities.
[41:00] Number 10, snow removed from the outdoor storage area shall be stored at the east and
[41:06] north ends of the proposed lot expansion.
[41:09] Number 11, and as bill plan shall be provided to the city once the project is completed.
[41:14] Number 12, the conditional use permit shall be recorded against the property in both the
[41:19] office of the county recorder and the register of titles and for
[41:24] hendiping county as the property is both abstract and registered
[41:28] horns.
[41:31] Steph and the applicant are both available to answer any
[41:33] questions.
[41:36] Any questions?
[41:37] Thank you.
[41:38] Brandon, why do we think that it's acceptable that just put in
[41:45] or for a high trees to screen the storage facility
[41:51] when it'll take 10 plus years to actually screen the facility.
[41:57] So four to six feet is what our code mentions as acceptable.
[42:03] And this is what we discussed in the different meetings.
[42:07] We had about this, so it fits the code.
[42:10] And then also eight inches a year is a pretty rapidly growing
[42:15] tree if, as you can see, this is an example of what I have on screen of what these screws
[42:22] trees will look like. So if you can imagine eight key in those, you know, just on that
[42:28] one island part, it should provide pretty good screening that will actually look nice as
[42:34] opposed to an eight foot fence that, you know, they could have put in an eight foot chain
[42:41] fence with cloth, tighter on it, so we think this is an amenable solution.
[42:49] Right, but what is the point of screening, right? I mean, because these are semi-truck trailers.
[42:55] I just looked it up. It's like 14 feet high. So even at eight feet, that's not screening.
[43:01] Right? And you're not really even addressing my question, is that it's going to take a decade
[43:06] for the treat of growth to something like your picture.
[43:09] That's not what they're putting in, so we're fooling ourselves.
[43:13] We're putting in a four-foot high tree, or a six-foot high tree and it's going to grow
[43:16] eight inches.
[43:18] What's your guess on how long it would take to grow to that?
[43:21] That's what I'm going to, that's my question.
[43:24] Sure, so like I was staying with, this is according to the city code that they fulfilled
[43:31] these standards.
[43:32] We could certainly look at a mending in the code, but the current one allows for this
[43:36] to treat to be installed. There's also cost considerations to factor in that if a business
[43:42] moved into the area and want to make this improvement, if they had to install a 15-foot
[43:48] tree they're looking at massive expenses for that. So it's also to be sort of accountable
[43:54] to new businesses moving in the area. And I realize Councilman Belendon, you do have a very
[44:02] good point. It's very difficult to screen a 12, 13 foot trailer. And you know, to be able
[44:10] to immediately screen that you would have to build a wall. And that's also not exactly visually
[44:17] aesthetic that you're looking for, even. Right. And then you go back to your, if I could finish
[44:21] off. Okay. But that's what the code is for. Then the code is essentially dictates what goes
[44:27] in there and what doesn't, not we just accept anything
[44:30] and we'll just figure out how the code can make it work for people,
[44:35] right?
[44:35] I mean, the other question I have is on the outdoor lighting.
[44:39] We went ahead and I had asked director Sergeant
[44:42] in the police department to go ahead and put in and make sure
[44:45] that there was adequate outdoor lighting
[44:47] in all industrial buildings.
[44:50] I'm guessing this one passes our code,
[44:53] but with outdoor storage
[44:56] and no actual lockdown. I mean, it's going to be...
[45:00] Open for people to drive in at night. We're not requiring any extra, you know, the police are going to have to respond to calls.
[45:08] We're not requiring any extra on the parking lot that's 20,000 square feet and is going to have 45 trailers.
[45:17] So, all the trailers are required to be locked.
[45:22] And this is a pallet company, so they'll mostly just be filled with pallets, so there won't be anything else in there.
[45:28] I wouldn't assume it's a very high risk, but our code states that you don't need security
[45:34] fencing.
[45:35] It is long as the storage trailers are a lot that's part of the city code.
[45:42] Councilman.
[45:43] London.
[45:46] As far as the police safety side of it, we corner off the city in the three areas.
[45:52] So we have enough people on that we will make it through the lot.
[45:55] We'll make it through pretty much every line of the less we're busy at night.
[45:58] We have our checks that we go through and our officers go through so as far as safety and security this is an out of the ordinary
[46:07] We have many businesses around here car dealerships that they do not have walls around it
[46:12] And their cars are left out and as far as having you know break into anything like that
[46:18] It's few and far between
[46:20] Right, but to be fair that the lighting at whatever the name of it is I'm 40 second
[46:24] I can see from my house. It's so bright, but that's another story
[46:29] We had officers seeing in dark lots up on Bass Lake Road that never even reported the lights being out. That's another, but all right.
[46:38] I'm running. Can you put the picture back up where this is located?
[46:49] There you go. That one.
[46:51] So there aren't any people around. Hoses. It's all in dust real.
[46:56] It's in the northwest industrial area, and it's pretty much right in the middle of it, so there's not really anybody any residential areas nearby.
[47:05] So the screening is basically, I mean, it's not like you're screening it from somebody's backyard.
[47:12] No, it would mostly just be screening it from the science center drive.
[47:17] And it's just part of our code requirement that if you're going to have these types of storage areas, they need to be screened.
[47:25] There's businesses across the street that maybe they don't.
[47:29] It's not ideal for them to have to look at lots of trailers sitting out there,
[47:33] so it's just something that's taken into consideration.
[47:36] Okay, thank you. Any other questions for Brandon?
[47:39] So if we asked them to put in bigger trees, we would have to be changing the code
[47:43] to then ask them to put in better trees, essentially.
[47:47] We could ask them to put in bigger trees,
[47:49] but yeah, they are fulfilling their need with the city code with what they are doing.
[47:53] Okay.
[47:54] That's what I wanted to know.
[47:55] Thank you.
[47:57] Any other questions?
[47:59] I get a motion on 8.1.
[48:03] I'll make a motion of proving conditional use permit for open door storage area relating
[48:08] to real property located at 92.10.
[48:11] Science Center Drive, New Hope Planning Case 22-01.
[48:17] How's that going?
[48:18] moved in seconds that we passed the resolution of proving the
[48:22] conditional use permit for open outdoor storage for the
[48:26] property at 9210 Science Center Drive and the other
[48:28] discussion. Take the vote.
[48:32] Yes. Yes.
[48:34] Yes.
[48:35] Yes.
[48:39] Thank you, gentlemen.
[48:48] 8.2 resolution approved the conditional use permit for
[48:51] Isaiah Panto doing business as the river of Covenant International Ministry at 9220 best
[48:58] like grown sweet 85, Newgo Plani case 22, dash 0.2.
[49:04] Good evening and thank you Madam Mayor, Jeff Elger, Community Development Specialist.
[49:10] Our subject property for this request is shown on screen on the green box.
[49:15] It's on best like road in between Highway 169 and Gettysburg Avenue.
[49:19] You can see at a butt-single family to the north and to the east, industrial to the south, and high-one of 169 to the west.
[49:30] Here is a table that shows proposed meeting times for a church that would like to locate in this building, the river of Covenant International Ministry.
[49:40] They're proposed meeting times are shown at the top of the screen here.
[49:45] According to the applicant, it is expected that 15-20 people would attend services every Sunday from 12-30 pm to 2 pm.
[49:54] There would also be a Bible study session every Tuesday from 7-30 pm to 8 pm.
[50:00] 830 PM with 3 to 5 people in attendance. And the service every Friday from 730 to 830 PM, 2 to 3 people in attendance.
[50:10] The River of Covenant International Ministry also plans to host conferences once a month at this location.
[50:15] From 730 to 930 PM, there'd be about 10 to 15 people in attendance for those. And then they would intend to meet at the building on occasional Saturdays from 7 AM to 730 AM.
[50:28] Before they go out for community volunteer days, and there be five to six people attending those meetings.
[50:37] So you can see how their proposed schedule aligns with Calvary Chapel and Valley and Church.
[50:44] So there's two other churches that have been approved to locate in this building, Calvary and Valley and obtained conditional use permits in 2019 and 2020.
[50:54] The applicant, here this evening for the River of Covenant International Ministry, anticipates
[51:00] that the Church will grow to 25 to 30 people within the next 5 to 10 years.
[51:06] The applicant states that he hopes that the Church will have its own facility within that
[51:11] timeframe.
[51:14] The proposed plans would not change the footprint of the existing building or the parking
[51:19] configuration at 90 to 20 best-lake road.
[51:22] There are 220 parking stalls for the entire building.
[51:27] Guests of this church would park in the west lot, mainly in the area shown on red on screen here.
[51:35] And they would enter through a west facing door, which is in that parking area.
[51:39] So there are 42 parking stalls on the west side of the building.
[51:42] That includes the red area and the area kind of to the south of there.
[51:47] Staff, of course, conducted a parking analysis for the site and determined that if the church is approved, the site will have enough parking and will continue to meet minimum parking requirements as per city code.
[52:00] So here is that red parking area referred to, see 169 entrance ramp in the background.
[52:11] And here's the entrance door that you can see kind of on the right of the building that would be used to access the church.
[52:22] A couple areas wanted to touch on the first of which is the building and fire code topic that was discussed at the Planning Commission meeting.
[52:29] So after a business use certificate of occupancy permit was submitted, the building official and deputy fire marshal completed an inspection of the space with the owner to give the applicant and understanding of what would need to be completed.
[52:43] prior to holding services at this location.
[52:47] These space appeared to be set up to hold services
[52:50] at the time with an altar, chairs, musical instruments,
[52:53] microphones, projection, system, and place.
[52:56] So staff conveyed to the applicant that services
[52:58] could not be held in this location until or unless
[53:02] a conditional use permit had been granted.
[53:05] A letter summarizing this information was
[53:07] mailed to the applicant as well as the property owner.
[53:10] And a letter from the building official
[53:12] and deputy fire marshal, summarizing work that needs to be done to bring the space into compliance
[53:18] with building and fire codes was also sent to the applicant as well as the building owner.
[53:24] There are significant changes that need to be made within the suite and the basement in
[53:28] which it would be located in, including the installation of a one-hour fire wall in between
[53:35] the church's suite and other uses. The addition of a second exit out of the church's suite,
[53:41] And the addition of a second exit out of the building from the basement, so this church is proposing to locate in the basement.
[53:50] In the revised narrative submitted by the applicant on May 27, the applicant states that the building owner and property owner are working on the necessary improvements.
[54:01] Staff in the Planning Commission reviewed conditional use permit criteria and felt that it met all the requirements shown on screen.
[54:13] There was a public hearing held at the June 7th Planning Commission meeting.
[54:18] As always, property owners within 500 feet of the parcel were notified of the requests
[54:23] and the public hearing notice was sent out by mail.
[54:27] Legal notice was published in the Sun Post and posted on the city's website and there
[54:31] were a couple land use petition signs that were placed at the property.
[54:35] So a staff received probably over a dozen calls from residents of that neighborhood asking
[54:41] what those signs are for, what's being proposed here.
[54:45] So, obviously we shared that information with them.
[54:48] There were two owners of a property
[54:50] who expressed concerns about screening
[54:53] between the subject property and single family homes
[54:55] to the north.
[54:56] They attended the Planning Commission meeting.
[55:00] So if you look on screen here, going back to 2001, conditional use permit was approved for the conversion of this building, which was an office warehouse, to a multi-tenant office building in 2001.
[55:16] So one of the requirements was, if you look at the red area on the left, was the construction of a fence along the north property line from the west end of the site towards the west end of the building and then south down to the building.
[55:28] So that fence is in place, it's still in good shape, it's providing the screening at supposed to.
[55:35] In 2001, no other screening was required along the north side of the building, so as you can see in the white box,
[55:43] there was no additional screening requirements implemented at that time when this conditional use permit was approved.
[55:50] You can see there is a fair amount of vegetation along that area.
[55:56] And most of that continues to remain to this day.
[56:01] Subsequent requests for conditional use permits.
[56:04] That's property of not involved the installation of new parking
[56:07] or alterations to the exterior of the building.
[56:11] And new screening requirements have not been implemented.
[56:15] Staff conducted a site visit on June 9th of this year
[56:18] to review landscaping plans from when the conversion
[56:21] was approved as compared to now.
[56:24] and is not recommending any additional required screening as part of the conditional use permit request.
[56:31] If the property owner elects to remove trees in the future, they will be responsible for replacing them,
[56:38] or screening those areas as required by the conditional use permit.
[56:44] So with that, the Planning Commission did recommend approval of this case with a seven to zero vote,
[56:50] subject to the following seven conditions.
[56:52] Number one, service and meeting times shall be limited to the hours of operations specified
[56:57] in the petitioner's application.
[57:00] If conditions change that create an increase in parking demand beyond the current capacity,
[57:05] the petitioner and owner shall construct additional parking or adjust building operations
[57:09] to fit within the parking available on site.
[57:13] Number two, seating capacity shall be limited to no more than 50 people within suite LL-85,
[57:19] which is where this church would be located.
[57:22] If greater seating capacity becomes necessary,
[57:25] an amendment to this COP would be required.
[57:29] Three of the petitioners shall provide a seating
[57:31] diagram illustrating seat arrangements,
[57:34] aisle widths, access and egress, and other features
[57:36] of the assembly area.
[57:39] For building and fire code, assessment and architectural
[57:43] drawing shall be prepared by a registered architect,
[57:46] illustrating the improvements needed for the introduction of a church into the proposed site.
[57:52] So the reason all these requirements are coming in the place because this is an office building,
[57:56] and basically the office building where they're proposing to introduce an assembly use,
[58:01] which requires all of these building changes.
[58:07] Number five, building plan shall identify location of the
[58:11] within the building and proposed access routes to the church, bathrooms, and other
[58:15] ancillary areas of the building that may be available to the church.
[58:20] Number six, a complete review and approval of building and fire prevention plans
[58:24] by the Deputy Fire Martial and Building Official shall be completed.
[58:28] Services shall not take place until the sweet and building meet minimum requirements
[58:32] for the proposed use and an occupancy permit has been issued.
[58:37] And seven, the conditional use permit shall be recorded against the property
[58:40] in both the Office of the County Recorder and the Register of Titles, and in forehand
[58:45] up in County as the properties registered both in torrents and abstract.
[58:50] The applicant is here this evening, and he and staff, of course, have you answered any questions?
[58:58] Any questions for Jeff?
[59:00] If you go back a couple of slides that shows that white boxed area,
[59:07] the white boxed area,
[59:09] I'll tell you those trees.
[59:11] Those trees are very tall. They're probably 25 to 35 feet in height, most of them.
[59:19] Thank you.
[59:22] Any other questions for Jeff?
[59:23] Yep. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[59:24] Jeff, I seem to remember that we have the screening issues when I think another church,
[59:34] maybe the second church went into this office building.
[59:38] And the question I have is, along council member elders, you know, questioning, this looks great from the sky.
[59:49] But that's not what matters to those five houses behind it, right?
[59:53] So why don't we have a photograph from what the residents actually see of the...
[1:00:01] This is another screening issue. We seem to be getting these wrong. This was an issue before, and if I remember correctly, some of the trees were so high, you could still see right into the building or the building could look right into the houses. Some needed to be trimmed or when it's winter. I think the people that the residents that came, there's no screening.
[1:00:30] at four o'clock and the lights are on and everyone can see right in and out. So again, it's
[1:00:36] a failure. What's being presented to us from, you know, whatever the satellite photo looks
[1:00:43] plausible. But when you dig deeper and you actually put yourself into the people's, the residents
[1:00:50] homes were failing up. And so, I mean, I see, again, it's a problem with screening. And I think
[1:00:57] we've got to take it up inside community development
[1:01:01] so that the stuff is actually we're looking
[1:01:05] at what the residents are looking at
[1:01:07] or what the business is looking at.
[1:01:11] Thank you for the comments.
[1:01:13] Council member London,
[1:01:15] we did look into this pretty thoroughly
[1:01:17] going back to approvals from 2001
[1:01:20] when the conditional use permit was approved
[1:01:22] to convert this building into this office space.
[1:01:26] Generally speaking, what they did was add windows along that side.
[1:01:33] Our code doesn't require the screening of windows.
[1:01:36] So it was made clear at that time by the Planning Commission and by the City Council that
[1:01:41] additional screening would not be required at that time.
[1:01:44] The owner, however, did there were several meetings where the owner of the building met with residents
[1:01:49] in the area.
[1:01:49] There was Planning Commission or two meeting where they tried to work these issues out.
[1:01:54] They agreed to the building owner agreed to install blinds at that time, as well as light
[1:01:59] timers to address some of the issues that the concerns from neighbors.
[1:02:05] But when looking at the approvals that were set forth 20 years ago, we believe they are still
[1:02:13] meeting those requirements because the screening that was in place then remains today.
[1:02:18] And the other thing is, I believe, now I'm remembering even more, that the building owner
[1:02:25] here owned one of the residences behind and it was a rental, right?
[1:02:31] So, I mean, it's somewhat impartial to say, and he was, he wasn't even managing to maintain
[1:02:37] the home.
[1:02:38] I remember because I went by this home, and the front steps were falling in, right?
[1:02:44] Mike, correct?
[1:02:45] You know, Councilmember London, I believe the owner of 92-20 best lake road may have a property to the north there, yes, although, according to residents who attended the planning commission meeting, the building was scheduled to be sold in the last few weeks.
[1:03:04] So we have not received confirmation whether or not that is gone through, but there may be new ownership and play here.
[1:03:13] Jeff, I have a couple of questions.
[1:03:15] How will we know that they're not having services
[1:03:19] there before all this work is not?
[1:03:21] It's a Sunday.
[1:03:22] Are we going to send a inspector out of the Sunday?
[1:03:27] Madam Mayor, we generally would not have an inspector
[1:03:30] come in on the weekend to check on these types of issues
[1:03:34] to be frank.
[1:03:37] If we receive complaints from other tenants
[1:03:40] in the building from neighbors in the area,
[1:03:43] we would certainly follow up on that, so we're hopeful that the applicant will abide by the
[1:03:52] conditions set forth in the conditional use permit and make the necessary improvements
[1:03:56] before services are held.
[1:03:58] And what happens if he doesn't?
[1:04:01] In that case, potentially the condition used permit could be revoked.
[1:04:05] There could be a do not occupy sticker placed on the suite, or no one could use that space anymore.
[1:04:13] Finds could potentially be levied against the property owner.
[1:04:17] Is there a few of the options?
[1:04:18] The other thing, when I'm looking at this picture on that west side,
[1:04:22] all the cars that are parked there, I take it this picture was taken during the week.
[1:04:28] Because that parking lot doesn't look like it would hold too many more people.
[1:04:33] Yeah, between that area and kind of to the below there,
[1:04:37] I think we said there's a total of 40, 42 stalls.
[1:04:43] So yeah, he anticipating no more than 20, 25 people attending services.
[1:04:50] So I'm assuming all those cars that are parked there are now, if that's during the week,
[1:04:54] they wouldn't be there on Sunday.
[1:04:55] That's correct, because all the other businesses in this building, aside from the two.
[1:05:00] Existing churches are Monday through Friday, nine to five operations.
[1:05:06] I know you sent me a bunch of information about the, and this has nothing to do with the church,
[1:05:12] but just about the screening to the north. And we're not doing anything more about that.
[1:05:21] At this time, the planning commission and staff are not recommending any additional screening. If the property owner were to remove trees
[1:05:28] that were part of that initial approval from 2001.
[1:05:33] We would require their replacement at that time.
[1:05:36] Any other questions for Jeff?
[1:05:40] Yes.
[1:05:41] Yes.
[1:05:42] So just to clarify, the house is in question that would be affected by the screening.
[1:05:47] We're notified about what's going on and had an opportunity to weigh in on the situation
[1:05:52] and none of them shows, too.
[1:05:54] Well, Craig Councilmember Eisenberg, one property owner, consisting of two individuals did attend the planning commission meeting as expressed those concerns.
[1:06:05] Everyone else would have received a mailing.
[1:06:08] Then we did not receive any other feedback.
[1:06:10] Thank you.
[1:06:12] Okay.
[1:06:12] Get a motion on 8.2.
[1:06:21] Okay.
[1:06:21] I'll make a motion to pass a resolution of proving the conditional use permit for Isaiah Panto doing business as the river of Covenant.
[1:06:31] international ministry at 92 20 best-take road sweet LL 85 oh seconded moved in
[1:06:38] seconded in the other discussion seeing them take the boat
[1:06:44] remember elder yes let's move right somewhere yes yes yes yes thank you
[1:06:56] So, is the petitioner here in the audience?
[1:07:01] Yes.
[1:07:03] Can you just,
[1:07:07] okay, I know that you don't own the building.
[1:07:10] But please be sure that the owner of that building
[1:07:13] does the work that needs to be done
[1:07:15] because you're the one that's going to suffer if he doesn't.
[1:07:19] And do not have services there until it's done.
[1:07:23] Yes, absolutely.
[1:07:23] And I think you contact them, these guys and tell them it's done and they'll come out and expect and give you the little stamp of approval.
[1:07:33] Okay. Don't get in trouble.
[1:07:34] Thank you.
[1:07:35] Thank you.
[1:07:38] Okay.
[1:07:39] 8.3 resolution approved in plans and specs for the authorization and advertising of the bills for the post 2022.
[1:07:46] 2023.
[1:07:47] Sanitary sewer lining project.
[1:07:49] We always leave the funds up till the end.
[1:07:52] I think so.
[1:07:53] And before you start, thank you very much to Santa, to you and the Santa crew, the
[1:07:58] funny two of you, all the work you did and then then you feed the crew to thank you so
[1:08:03] much.
[1:08:05] We really appreciate the volunteers.
[1:08:10] Thank you.
[1:08:12] I want to ask your 18 sites.
[1:08:14] Sure.
[1:08:16] Dan Boyam, city engineer and we'll run through the PowerPoint on our sanitary sewer lining project.
[1:08:22] the reality. I didn't even count them.
[1:08:28] But I know the background is that the city does an annual
[1:08:32] sanitary sewer lining project to reduce inflone infiltration in the sanitary sewer system.
[1:08:38] Just some information on your sanitary sewer pipe. You do have a total of 377,000,000,
[1:08:46] 32 feet of sanitary syrup pipe throughout new hope, so that's a lot of pipe.
[1:08:52] You've been doing this cured in place, lining for a few years.
[1:08:55] You have around 77,462 feet, that's around 20.5% and once again, the benefits of lining
[1:09:04] your sanitary sewers that reduces those ionite flows and some of the fees from the
[1:09:09] council, it adds approximately 50 years of life to the sanitary sewer, it's less expensive than the
[1:09:16] open cut replacement. If we had some major issues with the sanitary sewer and if we were
[1:09:22] reconstructing a street then we might look at open cutting and replacing because we would be removing
[1:09:27] the pletuminous anyway. And also the percentage of costs that are spent on it we get a credit
[1:09:32] on some of our work plan work with the MCS.
[1:09:38] Here's a background sheet that shows your various CIP lining throughout the city of New Hope.
[1:09:43] I've got it divided in the north half on the left side, the right half on, or excuse me,
[1:09:48] south half on the right side.
[1:09:50] And the red piping color is where you've had your CIP lining.
[1:09:55] There's a little green in that northwest corner and that's some of the lining that was...
[1:10:03] The city has been recently awarding two years of lining in a project as one project, usually the larger projects get a little more interest from our contractors who are bidding the project and we feel we get competitive vids.
[1:10:18] It also saves on some of those indirect costs.
[1:10:20] Our 2022 Lining Project is still in that Northwest part of New Hope.
[1:10:25] That's where we've been concentrating the last few years.
[1:10:28] There's still a few streets left with that Lining is needed.
[1:10:31] Also there's some manholes where the
[1:10:33] man that is going to be building the new noise wall.
[1:10:37] And so we want to get those manholes sealed up because there will be just some difficulties
[1:10:41] getting in there once that noise wall is there.
[1:10:44] Also, in the 2023, there's one more street in the Northwest area and then we're going to move to the
[1:10:51] Northeast area because that's where the city has identified some I&I flows at the
[1:10:57] lift station at 60th and Quebec.
[1:10:59] And in both of these areas, we have some alternate cell talk about some of the next slides.
[1:11:07] So 2022, we're lining these green areas of the Northwest area and that some of the
[1:11:16] information on that, there's a 1,613 feet of 9-inch clay pipe and 9-14 feet of 12-inch
[1:11:23] reinforced concrete pipe that will be lined, and also those five manholes that are
[1:11:27] long, kind of that, kind of that trunk highway 169 entrance ramp, kind of area.
[1:11:36] On 2023, we just have for the base bid, we just have that north west, the cul-de-sac,
[1:11:41] What is it, for me, Bass Creek's circle, yeah, Bass Creek's circle up there in the northwest area.
[1:11:50] There's a total, you know, counting that little cul-de-sac in some of the streets on the next slide around 3,701 feet of 9-inch clay pipe that will be lying.
[1:12:00] Here in the northeast, we've got our blue color, is all the base bed streets.
[1:12:05] And then if you remember, two years ago when we bid the project, we ended up getting some
[1:12:10] cost that came in very favorably and then we did a change order and then a cold project.
[1:12:16] And so this year we kind of added a variety after I show you that 371 feet again.
[1:12:21] We added some various alternates, so we have this alternate one, which is 696 feet.
[1:12:28] alternate 2 is in the light blue 1272 feet, alternate 3 in green, keep going, alternate 4,
[1:12:38] and finally alternate 5 kind of on the west side of that northeast area for 797 feet.
[1:12:43] And so the goal of that is just to have a variety of different options if we would end up
[1:12:47] seeing prices coming in less than what we estimated we could add some of these alternates,
[1:12:52] maybe a void doing that, you know, coming back to you for a change order or a cold take
[1:12:57] project.
[1:13:00] For those people who maybe haven't seen it in our audience, maybe we'll show
[1:13:05] a few pictures of cured and placed lining. Here's the equipment that you see when they're
[1:13:09] working above the ground, they put that liner into the pipe, and you see on the bottom
[1:13:15] right side of there's that liner that's going through a man, they eventually will come
[1:13:19] back and cut through that liner so that we have access for our jetting and cleaning
[1:13:23] of our pipes. The next slide shows on the left side, the existing clay pipe. You can see some
[1:13:29] of the roots that have come in. That's kind of the nature of clay pipes. There's their
[1:13:34] shorter sections of pipe. We have more joints. Eventually, those joints leak and have an I and I.
[1:13:40] So on the bottom right is kind of after this pipe was lined and you can see they'll come back in
[1:13:45] wherever there's a service for a resident. She'll property or business. They'll come back and
[1:13:51] cut that out so that the sewer flows.
[1:13:55] Here's our table of the estimated project costs.
[1:13:59] And one thing based on what public work
[1:14:02] director Weber and I have heard from contractors,
[1:14:05] they've just kind of indicated that you should assume
[1:14:08] or close to 20, 25% increase of costs.
[1:14:13] And so we've kind of identified that
[1:14:15] in this inflation and supply shortage cost.
[1:14:19] that just in case that happens, this is what we're estimating to kind of get to our budget.
[1:14:25] You have some contingencies indirect costs, but you can see you know, I'm going to highlight
[1:14:29] that 90,000 of inflation supply shortage costs and then the 617,000 on project costs.
[1:14:37] And you can see on the bottom side of the table we have all the various alternates for their costs
[1:14:41] on that very right side.
[1:14:43] Go to this next slide and so you can see with the 617,000, the city in these next two years has budgeted around 700,000, 350,000 a year for 700,000.
[1:14:55] So we're around 82,000 less than...
[1:15:00] Our estimate of what that base bid work would be. So you can see on these alternates, you know, you could pick like alternate number two, my cover that 82,000. But there's that 90,000 that, you know, just in case like these contractors tell us that, well, you should estimate for inflation for shortage of supplies, you know, 20, 25% in case we didn't see that and we got better bids, you know, then you have some of those other alternates that can add up to that 90,000 that I showed on that.
[1:15:30] previous slide. So that's kind of how we approach it this year to have more
[1:15:34] alternate just in case pricing comes in. Last we feel the 617, you know, we're
[1:15:39] still around 80, 2000, less than that budget so we feel comfortable with that
[1:15:45] inflation number, et cetera, that we won't come over budget on our on our base
[1:15:50] bid cons. So we're presenting tonight if the council decides to proceed with the
[1:15:56] project we would plan on opening bids on July 28th, we'd bring those bids back at the August
[1:16:02] 8th meeting. This type of work the contractors are usually doing it in the fall, kind of
[1:16:08] November, December, substantial completion would be in the winter for the 2022 project, you know,
[1:16:15] 2023 project would start up next summer or fall and be completed winter, 2023, 2024.
[1:16:24] So, at this point in time, we're looking for a resolution of proving the plans and specs
[1:16:29] in authorizing advertisement of Bids for the proposed 2022-2023 sanitary sewer lining project.
[1:16:35] And I can answer any questions that Council may have at this time.
[1:16:39] Dan, does this alleviate the possibilities of what happened in St. Louis Park?
[1:16:46] So are we talking about not with the light rail?
[1:16:48] You don't know what I'm talking about with the sanitary sewer bent up and well, I mean, so yeah, I guess as you have, I and I occurring on your sanitary sewer, you know, there can come up point where you might have a collapse in your sanitary sewer if you don't fix it. So by lining your sanitary sewer, you're you're helping to avoid some of those situations. I don't have all the history on that St. Louis park.
[1:17:14] problem so I should read up on that so I can answer better that question but right
[1:17:19] lining kind of prevents you know when you're bringing in water into your pipe
[1:17:22] sometimes there's some sediment that can come eventually you get some boys and
[1:17:26] you can have collapsed pipe. Thank you. Any other questions for Dan?
[1:17:32] I'm here if I could. Thank you. Dan one of the things we're talking about here is
[1:17:37] the inflow and infiltration and that's one of the reasons we're doing these
[1:17:42] projects, right? But one of the things that I've really struggled with in my time and I
[1:17:47] asked numerous times, right, is, well, we're doing studies, right? We've got how many things,
[1:17:54] maybe one or two in the city that are currently monitoring the flows, but yet we're going to
[1:18:00] put forth, you know, a bid for $700,000, and we don't have an idea of what's happening there.
[1:18:08] So I guess what I'm getting at is, can we start with a regular schedule of info and infiltration measurements, right?
[1:18:21] And have it be on a regular basis because this is going to come every few years we're lining these projects, right?
[1:18:28] So we should be able to show that it's effective.
[1:18:32] So yeah, as the council as we've presented in the past on this project or the lining projects as well as not talking tonight.
[1:18:40] I mean, the city is doing metering. So the metering that was done in 2019 kind of identified this Northwest area.
[1:18:48] So we waited until the 2020 project was done, the 2021 project was done.
[1:18:53] So we are going to be doing metering this summer to see how the flows in that Northwest area have been changed after doing all the
[1:19:02] that mining. Also part of it, it was a green grant that we applied for back, and I think
[1:19:07] it was 2018, and God, there's also going to be some educational part of it that we have
[1:19:12] to do, and then so we do the metering, we do the educational component, and we do some final
[1:19:18] metering, again, just to see if that educational component, if something changed by the residents.
[1:19:25] So I hear what you're saying that we have done the metering in the past. The city has purchased
[1:19:29] some of their own meters so that we're looking at using them as part of this metering
[1:19:33] this summer.
[1:19:34] So we'll continue and probably I know we applied for a grant to get some more funds for
[1:19:39] some more metering, but I think what we weren't successful with that grant that we heard
[1:19:45] about in early January.
[1:19:47] So we'll kind of just keep working as part of our budget to have some funds for metering,
[1:19:51] which if we went back to one slide, you kind of saw a line item for metering so that we
[1:19:56] Keep that in our, in our looking, keep, keep following through on it.
[1:20:00] If I could ask the Acting City Manager, maybe we could add this to our performance management report.
[1:20:07] We have the street conditions, the pavement condition index, PCI, that we monitor. This is costing the city millions of dollars over time.
[1:20:17] I think it should be added as well. Thank you.
[1:20:21] Thank you.
[1:20:21] So, Danny, you sent a lot of stuff that let me just make sure that I urge, right?
[1:20:26] We are metering, and we are trying to figure out if we are saving money by doing this.
[1:20:31] We just don't have enough historical data to do it quite yet.
[1:20:35] Well, so we did metering before we started lining that Northwest area, and now the lining
[1:20:41] got completed here this last winter, so now we'll be metering again.
[1:20:45] So yeah, we are doing a program of metering.
[1:20:47] We just don't have this Northwest area completed yet after the work was done.
[1:20:53] Okay, perfect.
[1:20:53] Thank you.
[1:20:54] Any other questions?
[1:20:56] The motion on 8.3?
[1:20:58] I move item 8.3 a resolution of proving the plans and specs and authorizing the advertisement for
[1:21:03] Bids.
[1:21:04] The proposed 2022-2023 sanitary sewer lining project.
[1:21:08] Improvement project 1,086.
[1:21:10] Second.
[1:21:11] moved in second that we passed the resolution for the plans and specs for the sewer lining project any other discussion?
[1:21:20] Take the vote.
[1:21:21] I'll swim for Isomer.
[1:21:22] Yes.
[1:21:23] I'll swim for London.
[1:21:24] Yes.
[1:21:25] Yes.
[1:21:25] Your Amkin.
[1:21:26] Yes.
[1:21:27] Yes.
[1:21:28] Thank you gentlemen.
[1:21:29] 10.
[1:21:29] What a resolution ratifying the 20.
[1:21:32] Thank you again.
[1:21:33] We're going to identify in the 2023-25 labor agreement with law enforcement, labor service
[1:21:39] is L, E, L, S, local, number 77.
[1:21:43] Good evening, Madam Mayor, and council members, your chance in the director of each
[1:21:46] hour and administrative services for the city.
[1:21:49] Before I get to the item that I want to bring to tonight, I know we had a couple of questions
[1:21:54] on cost of turnover at the work session and the cost of this contract proposal.
[1:22:01] So, first of all, I'll turn over as we talked, I mean, it's a widely critter, I guess, I would say, as far as how much, you know, what, what turnover really costs you, I pull some different statistics, employee benefit, news reports, it's 33% of an annual, I work as annual salary, so if somebody was making $100,000 in a year, $33,000 is what turnover costs to replace that position.
[1:22:30] There's other things, sure, in the society, for human resource management, has suggested the figure
[1:22:37] between six and nine months, so half two, three quarters of a person's salary.
[1:22:46] Another group that weighed in said for technical positions, which police officer would be one
[1:22:53] of, the cost jumps from 100 to 150 percent of the person's salary.
[1:22:58] So, as you can see, that's my hesitancy to give you a number and what turnover costs.
[1:23:03] I can't give you an honest answer that I can stand behind and quantify.
[1:23:10] And, in one thing, typically, when we talk about turnover, it's viewed as a negative,
[1:23:15] and I concur with that typically.
[1:23:17] There are some examples that if somebody isn't performing well or if they're not happy in that position,
[1:23:22] then turnover is not necessarily bad.
[1:23:23] I think it's time for them to find something that they're good at.
[1:23:26] and so on. All this being said, the U.S. Bureau of Labor and Standards or Labor Statistics
[1:23:33] produces an annual report and I just wanted to reference that. In 2021, the average
[1:23:39] turnover rate for state and local government excluding education for the Midwest region
[1:23:44] was 20.2%. In 2021, the city of New Hope's turnover rate was 7.5%. And I think that
[1:23:53] says something.
[1:23:54] It says something about the strong reputation that the city has in the, you know, as far
[1:23:59] as public employers in the metro, it says we have a very supportive city council, strong
[1:24:04] leadership, but facility is good equipment, fair wages, strong benefits, et cetera.
[1:24:10] The work culture is very good, and this is another step to keep it in that direction.
[1:24:18] That's seven and a half percent of turnover that we had last year.
[1:24:21] That's seven people.
[1:24:24] Three of those folks were, it was due to retirement.
[1:24:27] So if you take those out of the equation, it drops significantly.
[1:24:31] So again, I think we have a real good thing going.
[1:24:36] I can move on to the contract with LALS 77, the police officers.
[1:24:42] kind of the highlights is in your packet. It's a three-year agreement 2022, excuse me,
[1:24:47] 2023 through 2025. It includes a 3% market adjustment for 2023 as well as a 3%
[1:24:54] across the board wage increase. A 3% across the wage board wage increase.
[1:25:00] And the same, a 3% wage increase for 2025. Increasing specialty pay from $2.95 to $325 per month, adding the crime prevention officer to that list of positions. Shift differential pay increasing from $0.60 to $0.75 per hour. We cleaned up some holiday language, and we would be renewing all the memorandums of understanding with the agreement.
[1:25:28] And I'd be happy to answer any questions for you.
[1:25:32] Any questions for Rich?
[1:25:34] I'd just want to thank you for doing that work.
[1:25:38] And thank the police department,
[1:25:40] considering what's going on around the country,
[1:25:43] we're very fortunate to have the police department that we have.
[1:25:46] Thank you, Councilman Prof.
[1:25:47] I would hold her delivery.
[1:25:48] We have a great group of folks.
[1:25:51] And we definitely want to keep them.
[1:25:54] Does you have some of the any other comments?
[1:25:57] I'll just say things for getting that info for me, it kind of verified what I thought about
[1:26:02] the cost of replacing some.
[1:26:04] Thank you.
[1:26:05] Okay.
[1:26:06] Can I get a motion on 10.1?
[1:26:08] I'll make a motion approving plant now for resolution ratifying the 2023-2025 labor agreement
[1:26:15] with a law enforcement labor service as LELS local number 77 seconds.
[1:26:20] We've been seconded that we ratified the labor agreement with the law enforcement labor of services and the other discussion
[1:26:28] Take the board
[1:26:31] Yes, I'll spend the hot. Yes, you have a good. Yes, I'll remember elder. Yes. I'll remember I summer. Yes. Thank you gentlemen
[1:26:38] And thank you please officers
[1:26:40] Good question. Yes
[1:26:43] You and you had conspond London I got lost on something that you said earlier
[1:26:48] You were inquiring about calls for service and things like that for the liquor license, is that what you were asking for?
[1:26:59] And this reason?
[1:27:01] Yes sir.
[1:27:02] Calls for service?
[1:27:05] Okay.
[1:27:06] Please.
[1:27:08] I believe in that call.
[1:27:09] Talk into the mic so I can hear you.
[1:27:11] I believe what Calls remember London was asking about was regarding the applicants.
[1:27:17] application, correct on this new license for the off-sell liquor store.
[1:27:23] What I was, yeah, the question that I posed was in the past, we had received different
[1:27:30] information on the application.
[1:27:35] So I wasn't sure if the officer has some discretion as to what information is shared with
[1:27:42] us when he provides us with, you know, I approve, or if there's a standard set of information
[1:27:49] that we receive.
[1:27:51] There is a standard application that they fill out.
[1:27:55] It does include all of their financial, all of their funding, the purchase, what their banking records
[1:28:03] are, all of that goes into the background and investigation that, so that's least department.
[1:28:09] It's just not shared with the application isn't shared because of the data privacy roles.
[1:28:16] Oh, did that change in the last year or two?
[1:28:18] No, but we have had a different detective doing the background now and he probably Tony Loser had done it in the past
[1:28:28] and maybe he included additional information. I thought we were following the same procedure, but I can look into that.
[1:28:38] Thank you.
[1:28:40] That's all.
[1:28:40] That's all.
[1:28:42] Thank you.
[1:28:44] All right.
[1:28:44] Did anybody get anything else you want to talk about before we go over all of the stuff
[1:28:48] that's going on in the city?
[1:28:50] I don't know if I got that.
[1:28:52] I'm 39.57.
[1:28:54] I know we're going to get to this at some point in a work session or something, but I want the city
[1:28:59] attorney to provide us with the written
[1:29:06] opinion from the state or what we have.
[1:29:11] I'd like to see the State Attorney General
[1:29:13] for written legal opinion from the State Attorney General
[1:29:17] as to what can be done by the cities in these instances
[1:29:21] if we're going to be told that we can be do nothing.
[1:29:24] Because what I see happening eventually
[1:29:26] is this is going to go to a court.
[1:29:28] Is that the only thing that we seem to want to hide behind
[1:29:31] is that it's going to be the law?
[1:29:34] And at some point, I want to be able to make the recommendation
[1:29:37] And I already have that we revoked the license here.
[1:29:41] But I want it to be well written and understood by the rest of the council so that we can move forward and actually make some progress.
[1:29:53] Council member, London.
[1:29:56] I think the main approach is probably the rental.
[1:30:00] Registration permits.
[1:30:04] In terms of, if there are enough violations and the constitutes are evoking
[1:30:09] of that permit. So that wouldn't really have anything to do with the State Attorney General or group homes
[1:30:17] per se. But that's kind of, you know, the direction we're looking at and I don't have very much information
[1:30:27] at all in terms of, you know, when the last complaints are made, when, you know, what
[1:30:35] the incidents were. So that's the information I need to have and that's what we're looking
[1:30:43] at. So, all right. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens, but as the time goes on and you can see
[1:30:49] a year has passed, we still are dealing with the same issues here, council members and city staff.
[1:30:55] And it's very unfortunate because I've dealt with other issues like this where the issue was there were no citations ever written.
[1:31:06] But the police were out numerous, numerous, numerous times.
[1:31:09] And for whatever reason, they just felt, you know, we're not going to write a citation.
[1:31:14] So if it comes back that a citation needs to be written, then everything falls apart.
[1:31:19] And that's where I'm going to say, listen, this is ridiculous.
[1:31:22] because I, like I said, I dealt with numerous other types of problems, other than this
[1:31:29] group home, where people could not live next to their neighbors, and the police kept
[1:31:35] coming out, and the arbitration, they went to arbitrate, nothing ever was achieved.
[1:31:41] And that's a failure of government all along the way.
[1:31:46] So I hope to see what you propose and and show us, but it needs to be an expedited manner
[1:31:53] because we're already a year in, we've already lost one resident, another resident is putting
[1:31:59] our house up for sale, you've got people moving out of the city, and that should not happen,
[1:32:07] especially as we don't live next to them, it's fine. I mean, I know that people understand the problem,
[1:32:13] And I know that some people are working within the law.
[1:32:17] But as I said, there's no more in my opinion,
[1:32:21] reason to allow this type of group home.
[1:32:25] There are 15.
[1:32:26] I sat down with Commissioner Lundy.
[1:32:29] There are 15 types of group homes.
[1:32:32] This type of group home, with these types of residents,
[1:32:35] need to be relocated into a place
[1:32:40] that doesn't exist 10 feet or 15 feet from other residential structures.
[1:32:45] Leave it at that, thank
[1:32:50] you.
[1:32:51] I can't remember London did Commissioner Lundy give us any advice on what we could do.
[1:32:59] What we need to do, according to Commissioner Lundy, is ask Senator Rest and Representative Frazier to sponsor a task force,
[1:33:11] which would probably run $20 million to have an outside consulting firm look at and pull together all the data within
[1:33:20] an open county with all the group homes and issues that are being had, you know, probably be a 50 to 100 page report and so that's what needs to come next.
[1:33:32] And, you know, it should happen if they really want to solve the problem, it should happen.
[1:33:40] They've known about these problems, because I've been talking about group homes for eight years.
[1:33:46] So, let's do something.
[1:33:51] Yes?
[1:33:52] I would encourage us then to, in speaking with Commissioner Lundy, in a period that this would be a protracted thing to get this.
[1:34:04] a commission up and running and an investigation of this if we have another route such as the
[1:34:12] rental registration, I think we need to look at that. I think that's what expedites it.
[1:34:18] So, thank you.
[1:34:22] I would agree with you as well. I think something needs to be done.
[1:34:27] Did you want to weigh on this chief?
[1:34:31] I can. When we, one of the things comes from our line in the
[1:34:36] And some of the residents that we're here tonight and spoke about the situation is, you know,
[1:34:44] we do feel for you the, when you spoke last year and some of the other people spoke last
[1:34:51] year, what had happened at the group one, that particular incident was taken here.
[1:35:00] People that were living there, it was addressed. And I think it goes kind of skew that. You know what we're talking about? No citations. You said no citations. We're issued. We don't issue citations. We deal with ordinances. We're not going to write a citation to someone that can't form intent on some of the criminal laws that you're talking about. So we work with the city attorney. We work with community development.
[1:35:30] We have certain criteria that we can't go after the rental license and that was done last year.
[1:35:37] This is a new incident.
[1:35:38] This is a new situation that is popping up.
[1:35:44] Granted, it has been.
[1:35:45] It is a new situation that has popped up.
[1:35:48] The incident that happened last year was taking care of.
[1:35:51] It was addressed by our staff.
[1:35:54] This is new people, different people that are living there.
[1:35:58] We do address it through all the apartments as the console knows we've had violations that
[1:36:06] have brought owners in front of the console.
[1:36:10] So there's certain steps that we have to take and we are taking them.
[1:36:15] One of the residents is still here.
[1:36:17] We gave the information that no ordinance violations were issued.
[1:36:23] There was one that came across my desk today.
[1:36:26] So it's an every evolving situation that we are addressing and I'm not going to ask for patients.
[1:36:36] I get that and I'm not asking for patients from the residents, but we are dealing with it as it evolves.
[1:36:44] Can you explain a little bit what happens when your issue of citation versus a disorderly behavior?
[1:36:51] it's too separate thing. When we issue a citation to someone that commits a crime, it's
[1:36:57] basically something to court. So it's saying you committed a certain crime. We're going to
[1:37:04] issue a citation. They get a summons basically to go in front of the judge. When we're
[1:37:12] issuing an ordinance violation, it starts us issuing the ordinance violation. It's between
[1:37:18] me, I signed the form letter, and I believe it's Eric Hansen, sorry, is it?
[1:37:26] Yeah, it's more of an administrative citation, because we can enforce any violation in our city code,
[1:37:34] and that's so it's not a misdemeanor citation, it's an administrative citation, and that's the route.
[1:37:41] I think that is being taken.
[1:37:43] So that the clients, the residents, you wouldn't issue a citation of them.
[1:37:49] I think it's going to the owner for failure to manage, properly manage, you know, control, whatever.
[1:37:57] So yeah, I think the focus is on the owner who should be managing this house.
[1:38:03] Yeah, again.
[1:38:05] Because the people, the residents are incapable of forming an intent to commit a crime.
[1:38:10] So, you can issue the citation and it goes to court and gets dismissed right away.
[1:38:18] I can't answer for the judge, but based on...
[1:38:22] In your pattern of, in your history and experience, Chief, is that what you've seen has happened?
[1:38:28] Almost always. They can't form intent. The judge is not going to...
[1:38:32] Can't go through.
[1:38:34] So, we are following the steps in the procedures that was looking for trajectors.
[1:38:38] I thought you'd flip out the door, but we are currently working together and we are addressing
[1:38:45] the issues and we are going to meet with the city attorney and we will address the issue.
[1:38:53] Jonathan brought up a really interesting point. There's 15 different types of group homes and
[1:38:59] the residents of this particular group home really don't belong in a residential setting.
[1:39:07] Does that correct?
[1:39:09] That's not from that is not for me to answer that I mean that would that that isn't for me to answer that is I I can't answer that
[1:39:18] That would have to go through ahead of in county
[1:39:21] Okay
[1:39:22] And are you bringing in the different divisions of the city that are impacted by the sort of a response?
[1:39:30] Yes, we are bringing in our embedded social worker along with the embedded social worker
[1:39:36] there is someone that specializes in dealing with group homes and we will meet with
[1:39:43] some of the residents tomorrow and we are meeting with the owner of that particular group.
[1:39:50] And the 60 calls that they kept bringing up. Those aren't all behavioral problems. Those are...
[1:40:00] Medical also? Well, there's a wide array of calls that come into group homes, and that particular group
[1:40:06] home. There's medical calls, there's informational calls, either from the county or from staff or from
[1:40:14] the owner. It's just very easy, but as far as ordinance violations that we can address, not all
[1:40:25] 60 of them are ordinance violations.
[1:40:28] Okay, thank you.
[1:40:30] Any other questions?
[1:40:31] Come on.
[1:40:33] Okay, let's move on to the upcoming events.
[1:40:37] So Friday, July 1st, from 11 to 2,
[1:40:40] is the food truck Friday at City Hall on Saturday 2nd from 9 to 1.
[1:40:44] Is the community farmers market?
[1:40:47] I have to tell people that we only use Minnesota grown stuff,
[1:40:51] so don't expect corn on the cob yet.
[1:40:53] It's not there, and Monday the fourth Independence Day the officers are closed and there's no human rights commission meeting that day, and the fifth and Tuesday is the planning commission meeting at 7 o'clock at City Hall
[1:41:05] The sixth at one 30 securing water commission meeting and at 7 to 830 is music in the park. Sawyer's dream I understand that's a 70's band
[1:41:15] They're at the New Hope Performance Center and the eighth is 11 to two is food to Friday again at City Hall
[1:41:22] 12 o'clock is the crepe prevention fund, golf tournament. I understand that that may get
[1:41:30] put off for a while because there's not a lot of people sign up for that. So before you come
[1:41:35] to play golf on the ace, you better check with the police department. Okay, and the ninth is
[1:41:41] 91 is the farmers market on the 11th. There's no city council meeting on the 12th of July,
[1:41:47] which is Susan Rader's birthday from 8.30 to 8 at night is the Community Conversations hosted
[1:41:53] by the New Hope Human Rights Commission at Civic Center Park and at 7 o'clock is the Citizens
[1:41:58] of the Advisory Commission meeting. On the 13th at 6.30 is West Metro Fire Rescue Board meeting
[1:42:05] at station number three, on the 14th at 12.30 is the Signal Creek Watershed Management Commission.
[1:42:12] 9.15 is to 10.45 is movies in the park.
[1:42:17] They're showing the Lion King sponsored by the New Hope Lions.
[1:42:21] And on Friday the 15th there's no food truck because there's a regional swimming.
[1:42:26] And on the 16th there's no farmers market because of the regional swimming.
[1:42:30] And if you remember when we decided to build a pool we got some money from the swimming clubs
[1:42:35] and that was part of the contract that we would let them have a regional swimming.
[1:42:40] So Monday the 18th is no council meeting or I'm sorry no work session on the 20th of July
[1:42:47] at 3 o'clock is a business networking meeting and I believe it's a pocket square.
[1:42:53] Okay that's been confirmed, okay.
[1:42:55] At 3 o'clock on Thursday the 21st at 830 is the Baxter Creek Watershed Management Commission
[1:43:00] meeting.
[1:43:01] And Thursday the Saturday is the off Broadway.
[1:43:04] I just have an amazing technical or dream coat and the performance center starts at 8 o'clock.
[1:43:10] You're asking for a $4 free-world donation for that.
[1:43:14] Friday the 22nd from 11 o'clock is Food Truck Friday and City Hall and on the 23rd from 91
[1:43:21] is New Hope Power as Market and Lord behold, on the 25th, they're going to have a consummating
[1:43:26] at 7 o'clock. So that pretty much takes care of the light,
[1:43:32] right?
[1:43:35] Okay. Michael, do you want to?
[1:43:36] Yes, I would like to make a motion to adjourn this meeting.
[1:43:39] Sir, come.
[1:43:40] We'll do the second on the favor.
[1:43:42] Be a good adjourn. Thank you, gentlemen.