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we'll now bring the August 7th 2024 city
council uh meeting to order uh call upon
the City attorney is there any
reportable action no reportable action
Mr Mayor thank you
sir we'll now have the Pledge of
Allegiance led by council member Berwin
Hannah ready to
begin Al to the of the United States of
America to the for it stands
na
andice we'll now have the invocation by
associate pastor Lazaro Santiago Beacon
Hill Assembly of God good evening sir I
don't think we've met before
welcome peaceful and quiet lives in all
godliness and Holiness this is good and
pleases God our savior Heavenly Father
we thank you for our city thank you for
our elected and appointed officials the
businesses the churches the families and
the individuals that make our city the
great place that it is I pray for this
council meeting tonight give the council
members wisdom and guidance as they
deliberate on the items before them may
every decision be righteous in your
sight for our benefit and For Your Glory
Almighty one I thank you for this
meeting today Lord Lord there is an
agenda and we ask that your Holy Spirit
lead and direct all discussions that
take place during this council meeting I
pray that you will use the skills and
abilities within each of our council
members and participating citizens to
accomplish the task set before us help
us to remain positive in all decisions
made and to maintain peace and Good Will
towards each other God bless our great
city of Norco in the name of the father
and of the son and of the holy spirit
amen thank you Mr sanago
I'm going to bring up Joe holspa
Joe here tonight there you
go all
right so I'm president of nor horse week
uh we wanted to uh and thank you for
giving us the opportunity uh to present
some checks ceremonial checks to some of
our larger donations we were fortunate
enough to be able to contribute to this
year uh for those of you don't know
Norco horse week is a nonprofit
organization we're run by volunteers
strictly volunteers uh and everything
that excuse me that we make and don't
Reserve back to run our event for the
next year we donate back out to uh local
city organizations and uh some of the
city uh departments itself uh we could
not do this event without the help of
the city and the city council and uh
most importantly our
volunteers so I won't take up too much
your time uh but if I could have up uh
Melvin Sparks please uh he'll be
accepting on behalf of animal control
and nart
how you
doing good
good so we were able to donate $10,000
to the animal shelter and uh $4,000 to
nart you get both
thank you so
much thank you all right next can I
please have the representative for Norco
seniors and
[Music]
pets so would you like to say a little
bit about your
organization what you guys do Norco
seniors and pets has been around Norco
since 19 1989 and we help low-income
seniors here in town we um help them
with food we help them with uh pet
expenses we U get donations of dog food
and just try to help them
out so as you can see a very worthwhile
organization so we always like to give
what we can uh so we're proud to be able
to donate uh believe
10,000 to the Norco seniors and pets
Here's the the real
check thank thank you very
much thank you thank you for all you
guys
do all right if we could have please a
representative for the senior center
it's uh Alejandra Gonzalez and Cindy
Garcia so uh senior Center's always been
an important Organization for uh uh a
horse week right uh everybody gets old
it's nice to give somewhere for
everybody to go and enjoy so uh we were
lucky enough to be able to donate
$110,000 to the senior center this year
thank you thank
you uh and last but not least uh we have
FFA so FFA every year uh I've been a
part of horse week now uh for the better
part of 20 years and for as long as I've
been around I've known they've helped
they've been a huge help and they
increase every year so we're happy to be
able to donate $10,000 to the FFA this
year thank you
[Laughter]
uh so that's all I have for this year we
did donate uh to several other
organizations that helped us but I don't
want to take up your whole night uh
thank you for allowing us to present
those and I look forward to next year
thank you Joe appreciate
[Applause]
it so now we're going to call upon
director Hamilton city of Norco mounting
block pilot project
good evening city council so tonight I
have a presentation on the horse
mounting block pilot project in our city
parks you work
good thank thank
you this year the city has aligned with
the community-based initiative Norco
Mount up Mission
2024 this initiative advocates for
placing safe mounting Platforms in local
parks and business
centers Maria pase and Kim Adams have
spearheaded this initiative and while
they are working on having donated
mounting blocks installed at private
businesses they have asked the city to
add these amenities to our public parks
installing mounting blocks in areas
where Riders normally Dismount and mount
can increase usage of noros trails and
Parks uh many riders have difficulty
getting on and off a horse and will
search out large rocks stumps picnic
tables and anything to give them
themselves a boost um which sometimes
can be unstable or slippery since this
is H down USA is only fitting that we
advocate for our Riders and the city has
allocated funding for this project as
part of fiscal year 2425
for this pilot project $220,000 has been
allocated to install ADA Compliant horse
mounting blocks um with this being a
pilot project uh we are going to be
installing four ramps this year and
we'll monitor the usage of those ramps
along with maintenance
factors depending on the pilot Project's
outcomes uh the city May program
additional funding for other parks and
facilities in future years each ramp
will cost about $5,000 and will be
installed by City Crews it is important
to note that this pilot project was
brought to the parks and rec Commission
on June 10th for review and discussion
staff received positive feedback from
the commission and has been working with
handy ramp uh on an amenity that would
also be Ada
accessible the pilot project locations
include coron staging area Pacer Park
Hawk Crest Park and Norco Hills
Park placement of these mounting blocks
would sit adjacent to any holding pen or
Arena and with that I have any if you
have any questions but I would also like
to bring up Maria and Kim just to say
hello to the council and talk about an
exciting uh reveal that they have this
weekend at grocery
allet thank you I'm Kim unfortunately
I'm so sorry Maria got help helping
somebody in distress so you got Kimmer G
right here I'm going to bottle you I've
decided I'm going to bottle that energy
and sell it amen thank you bless by holy
SP and Jesus thank you oh gosh you know
what it all started with a with a dream
um it's a on a saddle talk Marie and I
one day in December were taking a ride
and she's got some handicap disabilities
and she rides a 17 hand thorough bread
and whenever she gets on her horse at
home she uses her Mount to go on safely
and she always prays that nothing
happens when she has to get off her
horse and find something like she was
saying which isn't safe and so
especially we are riding by the parks
and she's like oh my gosh sometimes I
got to go potty you know but I can't get
back on my horse so we got talking and I
thought you know I bet you if it's not
her you know um there's got to be more
people like you out there so we got off
our ride and ran in in the house and I
grabbed my husband Peter beos and right
over there and I said you got to make a
video we're gonna get this out on
Facebook and we're gonna hashtag Kevin
bash and that's how it started many
times don't give up on your dream big
time Big Time so I am just honored Who
would know that this little idea that we
had would be here today and and it
branched off you know to the to the
private sector as people are paying for
these beautiful wood Mount UPS our first
one was set up in in July at Mavericks
we're Happ we're having our second one
this installation this Saturday at
grocery outlet and um gosh and just the
backup and just so many people on
Facebook just like we love that idea we
want more can you put one here can you
put one there and just like oh it just
so amazing I'm just honored to that you
know God put that inspiration in our
minds and we just didn't give up and uh
hashtag you so so anyways thank you so
much and I hope everybody can make it
out Saturday 10: a.m. Grocery Outlet um
and then we're moving up to uh um Boot
Barn and just all the way up Sixth
Street and then ster Brothers on coron
and river and there she is right
here she made it but anyways but thank
you so so much and we'll have a m up
everywhere in nor thank you thank you
very much and uh
Amanda where' Amanda go Amanda thank you
and your staff for making this happen
this is really uh it's one of those
unique Norco winds so thank you Mayer
yes I got a question yep the ramps are
they made out of aluminum yes they are
are they going to be slip proof on the
yes they do have some grit to them and
they're made specifically for um this
type of application in parks and in
Trails um yeah they will have a they
will have a grit to them on the ramp
area okay thank you any other
questions congratulations so next uh
going to call upon Isabelle heinrikson
and Jamie Shin for the read to ride
program how are you young lady I haven't
seen you in a long time nice to see you
do you know the lady at the end no not
at all
so for those of you that don't know my
name is Izzy oh Isabelle Hendrickson but
I do go by Izzy um when I joined so I
kind of had this idea of joining the
Norco Fair committee um and I thought
what new ideas can I bring to the Norco
Fair committee I knew other fairs that
did this reading program um and from
there we I brought it up to the naral
fair committee so far we have one
sponsor thank you
Woody this is our pilot year um for this
program so basically the the idea is the
kids read um they write a summary and
they get ride tickets in return um now
I'll go ahead and hand it over to Jamie
so she can explain more detail on
that good evening everyone my name is
Jamin I'm the branch manager for the
Eastville and norgo libraries on behalf
of the library we are very thankful for
this opportunity to give you all a brief
overview on the online platform
beanstack which R toite is held on the
Riverside County library system is
currently using oops sorry currently do
me a favor can you talk right into them
it's there you go gotcha the Riverside
County library system is currently using
bean stack to hold multiple reading
challenges throughout the year including
the current collaboration between the
Norco library and the Norco Fair called
read to write beanstack is an online
program where our library patrons are
able to create accounts to participate
in the reading challenges our system has
published our patrons also known as
readers participate in these challenges
by logging the reading activity and
completing tasks either through the
beanstack app or the website
more specifically our readers interact
with beanstack by being able to choose
which reading challenges they'd like to
register for readers are in points and
badges by completing the required
activities determined by the associated
challenges these activities can include
submitting a book summary um and logging
their total minutes of reading bean
stack tracks the reader progress and
allows Library staff to issue Awards
corresponding to their
participation the noral fair R toide
program like isad explained is our first
Branch specific Challenge on beanstack
RTO ride will be active in until August
16th and is available to our nro patrons
R toide encourages readers from
preschool to 6th grade to Ride book
summaries in exchange for ride tickets
and a free shaved ice from Woody shaved
ice to earn ride tickets each book
summary will earn them an increasing
number of Free Ride tickets for example
readers that submit one book summary
will earn two tickets two will earn
three and so on until um they' submitted
up to eight summaries which is rewarded
by 10 ride tickets a free shaved ice
kind of follows the same rule where
they'll uh shave the shaved ice will
increase in size depending on the book
summaries they submitted so one to two
will earn a small one and the jumbo free
shaved ice is the um range between seven
to eight book summaries um so yeah
readers are then able to pick up their
ride tickets and free shaped ice at the
noral fair by using their first and last
name at a designated R to ride check-in
area currently we have a total of 52
participants and a total of 120 badges
earned um 55 book summaries have been
submitted and 13 participants have
completed all their activities
uh my reports share that the age groups
with the most participants are between 7
to 8 years old and the majority of our
patrons are noral patrons but local
participants have joined the Challenge
from nearby branches like Eastville and
home gardens but they're all within the
same county
system the future of beanstack is full
of upcoming CH reading challenges and
programs the Riverside County library
system has reading challenges available
on beanstack year round for patrons for
all ages to participate in we welcome
any future collaborations as we work to
serve our GR community at the noral
library thank you do we have any
questions this is wonderful this is
really wonderful I I is there some way
we can get this out to
uh I I think we need to put this on our
website and maybe put it on our Norco
app and that kind of thing this is
wonderful it's nice to see you're doing
great things still I remember you when
you were
[Laughter]
little any questions
comments well thank
you yeah I saw
yeah
cely coming out of our pocket yeah go
great thank
you all right next up
uh we have one other thing that we need
to do um is the lieutenant
here can you come on up
here I'm gonna rub
it for the first two years and Newton
couldn't stand it so he brought a ringer
this year and I would have won so with
great
reluctance I have to give you the cow
throwing contest award but no it
was a ringer an ex- minor leager I know
and tell him we used to want him back in
Norco but not
anymore
anyway and
stands for cops and we want you to help
proud we are even when you throw
sh I'm gonna get so much trouble from my
wife
Lieutenant if if you would tell Andy
that c does not stand for cops it stands
for Cubs oh as at his
request Riverside County deputies are
not losers it's
cops all right moving
on uh we'll have city council reports on
Regional boards councilman grun
Meer uh nothing to report thank you Mr
Mayor councilwoman Alman yes I on July
18th um I attended the north northwest
mosquito and vector Control District
Board of Trustees meeting and just a
couple points out of that meeting um in
terms of West Nile um the district only
reports when mosquitoes are found that
have West Nile in our County any reports
of humans um who have been infected
would come from the county department of
health um and so you can check uh their
website they have a social media and an
Instagram um this year in the state I
think there's only been two cases and
they did just find the a first pool that
had West Nile in our County um and then
that they'll base their treatment plans
based on that uh and then the second is
that we have hired a new general Council
and so we will begin working on our
strategic plan one of which is to
continue uh to be proactive and protect
the health of the public when it comes
to mosquitoes and Vector born
diseases council member
Hannah yeah tonight I want to read this
about
uh Joe tavalon he was uh longtime member
of just about every Transportation
Commission that there was in the state
of
California in July he just celebrated
his 101st
birthday and up until just a few months
before that he was as sharp as anybody
and a pleasure to talk to him I know
several members of his family and
everything but uh he joined the
California Transportation Commission in
2002 and retired excuse me in July live
2024 and he had over 20 years of
transportation and over 50 years in
construction and he helped rctc receive
state funding for a lot of major
projects including the wiing of the I
215 State Route 91
I-15 and State Route
60 and Senator Roth is preparing a
resolution to dedicate the 60 91215
interchange in his name but uh I
remember I hadn't seen him in several
years and when we did the groundbreaking
on
the express lanes of the 15 freeway over
here well he walked up and started
talking just like we'd seen each other
the day before he he never forgot people
and he was quite a gentleman and it's
sad that he's passing but it's uh a good
deal that they're going to name that
interchange after he m over there and
that's all I have mayor sir
Greg thank you mayor uh last week U head
board meeting Chino Bas and dalter
Authority board of directors meeting um
I was going to do a a riveting report on
uh the Chino Basin uh plume that we
spend uh a lot of time working on but
I'm going to put that off and I'm going
to show a little video U this was an
item we went over um at our meeting uh
it's done by
jcsd and then I'm going to ask our fire
chief with your permission mayor to um
uh speak on this but this has to do with
a article that U I read here a little
bit ago about helip pods and helah
hydrants and um
and and I'll ask the chief to touch on
it but we've had discussions on moving
forward with Wildlife well Wildland
protection Chief will touch on that go
go ahead and play that it's only two
minutes at herua Community Services
District we pride ourselves on being
Regional leaders in the services we
provide every day jcsd provides
essential services for our community and
our commitment to Innovation and
Community safety is stronger than ever
through jcsds helah hydrant project
designed to bolster our community's fire
response and Public Safety the helah
hydrant is a game changer in our
emergency response strategy and is the
first of its kind in the Inland Empire
region each hydrant is a 15 ft wide
nearly 10,000g tank designed to expedite
the water collection process for
firefighting helicopters each hel
hydrant is a little different this
particular one takes about 7 minutes and
it'll fill to the top situated
strategically in fire prone areas these
helah hydrant are constructed to
integrate seamlessly with jcsds existing
Water Systems when a fire breaks out the
jcsd hydrant quickly fills when
activated by an approaching firefighting
helicopter providing a valuable water
source that SA critical time in the
battle against fire when a fire
emergency erupts firefighters can rely
on jcsds H hydrant to be ready for
action and allows for us to get water on
the fire's Edge as as quickly as we can
in the summer of 20124 we celebrated a
major Milestone with the inauguration of
the first jcsd helah hydron in service
located in haropa Valley's Country
Village neighborhood helping
firefighting efforts in the area we
initiated a discussion with calire and
said hey can we look at doing a project
like this over in JCS area through
Forward Thinking and long-term planning
the jcsd helah hydrant project will
install a total of four helah hydrants
across jcsd service area in Eastvale and
haropa Valley ensuring robust coverage
and protection for our region with the
helah hydrons jcsd is not just helping
fight fires we're building resilience
and safe guarding our community's future
for generations to come to learn more
about our Innovative projects programs
and Community initiatives visit
jcsd.us thank you uh mayor this is
something I'd like to with your
permission to uh um do some further re
research with uh staff and calire
um this was also I believe it's um paid
through with a grant from uh Riverside
County flood control and and I think
something like this is very appropriate
um especially for our area
and given what's going on recently so
Chief would you like
to make a few comments briefly
and explain it a lot better than I
good evening Mr Mayor and members of the
city council um so yeah I'd say about
two years ago jcsd uh approached myself
and chief VI and they were interested in
putting in these hydrants so what we did
is we teamed with them and we went out
to different locations within Hupa
Valley and Eastville so the one you saw
here is the first of four that are going
in that one's off a Country Village Road
just north and their next one's going to
be in East down by the river bottom and
then a couple more along the river
bottom in herua Valley so um we team
with them we had our Pilots come out and
uh they they cleared the areas what's
safe for them and this product really is
safe for our pilots and that's one of
the main reasons we did it it's quick
easy access they control it from the air
to fill the uh device up to fill the
tank up and then they can drain it after
they leave and water goes back down into
the system so it's really a great system
um I'm an advocate for it
um the more the better for our Pilots
the safer it's going to be for them so
if you guys have any questions I'll try
to answer them the best I
can any
questions thank you sir all
righty Chief I appreciate it um just one
other comment that it's controlled by
the helicopter but it ties to our
scatter system and
um and I think we have some ideal
locations
where where this could be placed
so with your permission mayor thank you
yes please thanks Chief okay no worries
okay
anytime uh so a couple of things um the
Western Regional Council of governments
uh a couple of issues that we talked
about first off we had a pretty
interesting water um presentation that
we have some water issues in Southern
California what was very interesting to
me is that the the Western principal
water uh company director um I had gone
on a water tour with him up to the Delta
and at that time he did not know how
many houses we had to build in the area
and he said oh we have plenty of water
for all the houses he's changed his tune
he now realizes that the amount of
houses that they want us to build
Apartments um it's a real problem and
the reality is they're asking us to do
we all these houses they want us to
build we don't have enough water we
don't have enough all kinds of stuff so
one of the things that um at the end of
this meeting I'm going to talk about is
I know it's an impossible task but I'm
going to talk about um how do we truly
beef up our recycled water program so
I'll talk about that um uh Katherine and
I went to the Riverside City College
District trustees meeting I'm going to
um basically there was a bond um did you
stay for the whole thing Katherine did
you say to the end um they actually are
going to pass a bond uh it's one of the
few bonds that I am actually supporting
um we are hearing that there's going to
be a lot of job loss in the state of
California in the next coming year
hundreds of thousand of jobs maybe we
have people leaving and they're saying
kids that are 20 years old are probably
going to have to learn skills all
through their life they predict they'll
live to 100 and so junior colleges are
an incredible way to retool they're also
an incredible way to uh get your first
two years in whenever I see somebody
from Norco college and so I'm just going
to Norco College say that's great that's
fantastic your parents going to love you
because it's almost free so um I am
going to support that particular Bond
and then finally I want to add this um
to the council you've all been very
supportive we've we have been trying to
list expand the list to include the Navy
base on the national register of
historic places and after a lot of talk
we finally spoke to an expert attorney
in
preservation law and I wish the heck we
talked to this woman a long time ago um
on February 2nd
2018 we unanimously received approval to
expand the national register from the
state historic preservation
commission we didn't know this till we
did fo requests but the Navy opposed it
and they submitted in October of the
same year a technical review that was
just flat wrong we didn't know about It
ultimately through a lot of gations we
didn't know until almost in fact four
years later that the keeper apparently
agreed with the Navy but she didn't
actually deny our petition she said I'm
making no judgment
well they had 45 days it says
nominations will be included in the
National register within 45 days of
receipt by The Keeper a design unless
the keeper disapproves a nomination an
appeal is filed or the owner of the
private property etc etc etc Navy
actually waited 3 years to tell us
keeper almost four years to tell us and
it actually appears that if there's no
decision it has to be treated as if it's
on the national register so at the end
of this meeting I'm going to be asking
that we uh along with the lcf who's
agreed to co-partner with us that we
hire this attorney and make it known
that this belongs on the national
register if this is actually true we've
overcome politicians we've overcome
Navy bureaucrats we've overcome if this
is as simple as it gets I'm going to be
really upset because I spend a lot of
time on this thing but 45 days is 45
days and the soonest that the uh the
Navy notified anybody
was eight months later so this may well
be a huge win and that's all I have so
moving on to the consent calendar uh do
council members have any items that need
to be
pulled mayor we're at public
comments
in I have
um
3K
3M mayor we are at the um public comment
item number two not consent calendar
yet oh I'm sorry I I apologize yes I
apologize hold that thought guys I
apologize uh are there any public
comments yes there is um this is the
time on person's wishing to address the
presiding governmental body regarding
the consent calendar or matters not on
the agenda may be heard please limit
comments to 3 minutes or less the
governmental body shall not discuss or
act relative to any general public
comment my first speaker is Dylan wimple
hi Dylan how are
you well
good good evening Council my name is
Dylan wimple here as a resident of Norco
ask the city of Norco to implement an
organic farm friendly weed and Pest
Management plan organic farmers are
limited in the chemicals they can use on
or near their farms and the city's use
of glyphosate and other similar products
May overspray and jeopardize their
Organic certification and many residents
have worked hard to obtain this I ask
the city review organic Alternatives and
maintenance of our trails and public
spaces and UTI regenerative agriculture
practices in weed and pest suppression
integrated Pest Management and ground
cover such as mulch can help maintain
the health of our soils and changes like
these protect our small plot Farmers
eliminating the risk of
cross-contamination on their farmland
and harvests thank you for your time
great thank you sir our next speaker is
Sergeant
eof are we supposed to salute no I'm not
I'm not a
zero um um good good evening to the city
council I just wanted to um thank the
city of Narco the city council the staff
Amanda over there um U Lori anybody else
who is involved uh we got a call for our
brick table at the National Night Out um
when was that yesterday oh man and uh we
were there from 2:30 till 8:00 at night
and Larry how many people did we talk to
67 we talked to 67 people we're real
picky about this we always have somebody
that clicks the amount of uh people that
we talk to but I just wanted to thank
the the staff Amanda let me know about
this uh and we set it up almost
immediately and uh the staff came out
there and set it up for us and they took
it down but and these people that do
this get paid for it and they of course
they should get paid for it but that's
not the point it's their attitude and I
know I've talked about this before but
it's always their attitude they do these
things with a smile on their face if we
ask them can we get another chair they
just run out and get another chair
they're so easy to work with and it's
like they if if they could uh do it they
would do it for free I mean this is how
how good they are um the other thing is
that Lori introduced me to a QR codes
which I have which I have on my back and
anybody behind me thinking about what's
that weirdo gotta buy a brick on his
back you you're more than welcome to
come up behind me and take a picture of
the of the QR code and thank you again
Lori for bringing this you created a
monster I'm a QR code nut uh the other
thing is uh that I'd like to talk about
is the um the fact that my wife and I or
myself had decided that we're
seniors I I know really I I'm not a
senior so we went to the we go always go
to the senior
breakfast uh but we started going to Tai
Chi and we did Tai Chi and we had again
wonderful people over at the senior
center I know these things don't happen
by Magic and I have my the our taii and
instructor could you please stand Cindy
wonderful lady and we have a greeting
that we
do and she puts up with us I mean we we
forget all these things and she say oh
you're doing so great and we know we
just screwed up the whole farm and
everything but they have so many things
so we went on from taiichi to chair of
volleyball which is crazy if you stand
up you lose a point but everybody just
laughs the whole time uh they have a
newly form formed uh chess club that
Jordan runs he's great we do that and
Sergeant eov I hate to interrupt you I
can't believe you were tamed by the taii
instructor over there but you're out of
time I'm out of time thank you thank you
sir and Alejandra would you please let
your staff know that you were
complimented by a sergeant from the
United States Marine Corps
our next speaker is Greg
Bowen I'll make this short and sweet um
for the norcar rodeo this year we're
going to try something different on
Sunday um I have
contacted um four different counties and
we're going to have law enforcement on
Horseback on Sunday and we're going to
have approximately over a 100 law
enforcement that actually are doing that
for a living uh coming to Norco and
doing our grand
entry uh we've got sanino County Sheriff
sanino County Rangers sanino County PD
sanino County uh Chino
PD
LAPD is a I haven't got a complete
number from them yet but laso the
sheriff Department's coming Orange
County Sheriff Department's going
Anaheim Irvine Fullerton Huntington
Beach and most of these people live in
this
town uh Riverside Chad biano is going to
be our Grand
Marshall and Corona PD and possibly uh
Palm Springs PD is going to be bringing
horses um a quick breakdown what we're
going to be
doing um we're gonna everybody's going
to check in early on Sunday they're
going to get saddled up get their
briefing uh then we're going to do a
small trail ride down Sixth Street with
approximately 100 horses we're gonna I
have Saddles sword Rider going to come
out and just like they do their trail
rides that's all this is going to be is
a trail ride and we're going to go down
to tamiscal turn around and get all the
bugs out of the
horses then they're going to come up and
they're going to line up and the rodeo
starts at 5: so approximately 4:30
they're going to be lining up in the
back and then we'll go ahead and make a
uh proceed into the arena and then after
that the national anthem the Queens show
the flag and all that stuff they're
going to be dismissed but what I want to
really capture on it's the first time
this has ever been done in California uh
we do it in Sacramento each year
sometimes with 70 sometimes with 100
it's phenomenal we ride all through
Sacramento um and it's you don't really
realize how many horses are in Southern
California that actually do law
enforcement on Horseback and what better
City to promote that or even show it off
is it Norco so we're going to do that uh
this year at the Norco Rodeo September
25th the rodeo is at 5:00 if anybody
wants to show
up uh and that's all I got and by the
way Amanda day the cowboy awesome and
Berwin those uh mounting blocks those
are made for just me and
you all right thank you thank you
sir our next speaker is JN Kiros
good evening sir good evening um I
appreciate your your warmth of how you
conduct these these Council meetings
they're they're uh they're a breath of
fresh air well thank you okay
um I'd like to my name is John Kos and
I'm a a future resident of Norco and uh
I want to thank you for the opportunity
to address the city council and let me
start by saying the city is doing so
much good work across the board I agree
100% with the pastor that Norco is a a
truly great City we love the traditional
American values that Norco symbolizes we
embrace the city's love of horses
Agriculture and self-reliance Norco
embodies the small town American Spirit
that seems lacking throughout much of
the State uh we love this town and we
intend to call it home with that being
said I'm here tonight to say my peace
with respect to the 4030 Acacia home
build it's just down uh as you go north
on Hammer um right by the uh gy
gymnasium it's it's the new Corner House
it's it's gorgeous I think you'll agree
um that it was built with love and pride
and attention to
detail uh the problem you're going to
hear about from uh the owner Maria who's
going to speak after me tonight is that
after uh building plans were approved
Corrections were given to the Builder
the Builder made those corrections after
the home was built after multiple
inspections including two electrical
inspections after the inspection card
was signed the city has decided to
change its uh enforcement of a 20 plus
year old building code uh to require uh
underground rather than above ground uh
power source obviously this is added
significant delays costs and not to
mention
heartache I think folks have the common
sense to know that changing the
rules at the end of the game um and to
change the outcome smells to high heaven
whether it's legal or not ask yourself
this question why now why wait till the
very end of the
build uh the city has asked if the city
had asked to change at the onset this
would have been done by
now um let me end by saying that the
last hour changes to the Bild would seem
to go against all the values that uh
embody this great
town this is the sort of mess you'd
expect other places but not in Norco
respectfully I request the council's
attention to this matter and I
appreciate your leadership to help the
city come to mutually agreed upon
solution uh sincerely thank you thank
you sir Alma so I'm assuming you'll
reach out and okay our next speaker is
Maria Fernandez
evening council members and
mayor at all um 430 AA it's a home I
built with a lot of love for my family
we're all been trying to call nor homes
we got three homes under construction uh
my granddaughter starts school at
turning point on uh Norco Street on the
12th but uh now we we're hoping to
finish our home by um my daughter's home
by the by July but that didn't happen um
my concern is and I'm upset about it
because I feel like if this would have
been given to me in the very beginning
of course there was no question about if
it's underground requirements that's
underground requirement from Power if
we're not here to not do what we're
supposed to do but for God's sake you
know we got a panel that is going put in
the north side of the property it looks
like we don't even know what it's going
to involved yet because we were just
told on the 25th of July that um oh it
looks like we you guys did not bring the
power underground Our rough electrical
was inspected on December uh last year
our service panel was insed on July
1st and after the service panel passed
obviously the next step is we continue
calling so they can release this to the
power company so then Edison can power
up so we can test fire sprinklers
um the rest of stuff um air conditioning
so on so we're looking for a final
towards the mid July and July so we can
kind of make that move and now we're all
stuck over here kind of crying and being
upset and talking to different people at
planning I honestly feel like um it's
unfortunate that the planning department
failed to notify it as even through the
progress of it would have been framing
okay but I mean when they passed these
panels This individuals saw that the
electrical was feed through the overhead
driving to Norco I see a lot of
properties that are newer near build I
still see a lot of overhead and I'm not
here to argue who's win and that's
really not my department I'm glad to
follow the rules I've done this for the
last 26 years I bu for my family I buil
for friends that's my trade I this is
not the first home I built and I am just
um I would say upset or surprised that
it took this department this long to say
there is no way I beg and asking hey is
there a way we can at least power up the
property for now and then in the next
few months Edis is going to take at
least four months to change the plans
it's a big burden and I've asked to
please look into it and to end I don't
want to just come in complain I love the
city if we have wonderful people Public
Works have done an awesome job the girls
at the counter they're just such a
beautiful job they go on and beyond
their Duty not to mention Lacy Davis
she's such a great person so I'm not
here to just complain great people
people but right now I feel like a
couple people in the planning um
organization may be messed up by um not
giving us directions in the very
beginning thank you for your time did
you bu did you also renovate the house
next door excuse me was did you renovate
the house right next door to that was
that your house somebody else I just
curious thank you we just put you the
corner line yeah thank you ma'am thank
you our next speaker is Bonnie slager
hi Bonnie good evening everybody do you
have well you know it's fair time and so
I'm reminding everybody that you can buy
Fair buttons now they're $15 ahead of
time they're $2 at the gate and uh
they're for sale at a lot of places on
Sixth Street they're for sale here at
City Hall and some places on Hamer and I
just happen to have some with me tonight
if anybody wants to to buy a fair button
uh my second thing that I wanted to
mention again tonight is that um with
the election coming up uh Norco
Horsemen's Association and Rural has
partnered to have a candidates night and
so I hope everybody will put on their
calendar uh September 19th Thursday
September
19th um at Nelly Weaver Hall I guess I'm
sorry I always call it I guess it's the
hall now but it's still Nelly waiver
Hall to me and at 6:30 we'll be having
candidates night so I think the
um I think this Friday is when the the
deadline is for money it actually
extends if the um if one incumbent does
not um put papers in so it'll extend to
the 14th okay so so it may go till the
14th correct correct all right cuz then
I want to get letters out to all of the
candidates so I can't do that until that
but anyway so please put on your
calendar to come on September 19th and
by Fair buttons thank you thank you
Bonnie there's no further public comment
mayor closing public comments now moving
to the consent calendar I
oh all right quickly we'll
reopen that's all right it I'll be real
brief uh Council she's new to Norco yeah
right 30 some
years no I just want to give my
compliments to the young ladies that
started the bean stack challenges I
remember when I was that age not that
long ago and it was so special for us
because I was raised in the City of
Pomona and they used to have King
Arthur's Round Table during the summer
at the library for the kids from K
through sixth grade and it was a great
place for us kids to go we couldn't go
to the local plunge we got to go to the
library where it was air conditioned but
they had something very similar to this
so my hats off to these gals that
started this and I hope businesses will
get behind them and help them their with
their support thank you thank
you anyone else no further comment mayor
going once going twice closed all right
moving on to consent calendar uh Greg
you are giving me a list
not quite a list two items 3K
3M move to approve the rest um
I have
one second hang on no I also want to
pull I want to pull 3F
now what's your
motion
sorry please vote
Greg motion passage unanimous thank
you you would be first yeah I was going
to let you go first well since that's
the truth um I just want to get actually
just an update on the 2023 General plan
annual progress report just a little bit
from
someone yeah this is uh every year we
have to create the annual report based
on the activities of pretty much the
Community Development Department so
we're um required to um there's not
really a deadline but we're supposed to
submit it yearly so this report is
basically a a summary of what has gone
on in basically the Planning and
Building Division and for were submitt
to the state so that's the purpose of
this
report um I guess my question is and
looking at it it
looks looks pretty impressive in my
opinion
um I'm pretty pleased with uh the way
the report's laid out I'm really pleased
with um the planning that's gone on I'm
really pleased I'm just really really
pleased I'm I'm I'm I'm impressed and I
really want to give you and your
department Kudos thank you yeah
sincerely and I really really mean that
can you let everybody in your department
know that yes I will do that thank you
and with that I will move to do we close
them all at the same time or just one at
a time motion
to you vote on him one at a time okay so
motion to
approve please vote
much passage unanimous thank you okay
Greg
3K thank you
mayor um
Sam so this
item is going to seem somewhat political
but there is a staff
question
um have
um uh this change order I I understand
our our backs are up against the wall on
this
um have you or Chad at this point
reached out to our Edison rep
representative on this item okay
and I I don't want to make it political
but I'm going to do a little bit we have
a change order from Edison on um on a
lift station which is legitimate as far
as the request for change my request is
um asking staff
um $6,000 in
labor $2,200 in material which would
seem to be the bulk of a job
$42,000 in
other as it as it is um a $27
credit for
Salvage and a 24% tax rate or another
$2,000 so a job that's
approximately
$10,000 is going to cost the residents
six almost
$66,000 and I think
that it would be prudent to have staff
reach out to to our our government
representative and and question this I
mean it it's
just we all know Edison screws us right
they impact every construction job uh
the the time frame on this is ridiculous
also but it's
just I think we need to dig in a little
bit and and try to fight it so okay and
like I said I I would appreciate this I
um I'll make a motion to approve because
we have to move forward on it but not
liking it at
all do we have any thanks
Sam cover public comments anything from
Council I have no public
comments nothing um I second that oh oh
you did okay
good please vote
um for the record Berwin seconded
it motion passes unanimous thank you
thank you moving on to
3M so my questions are directed to Colin
on on this item three um this is
a to move forward with u an agreement
with cosmon u transaction
Services um one I'd like an explanation
on where it says no Financial impact I I
didn't see where that was addressed in
this report and also this strikes me as
a
um like a cleanup item that was
uh um
over
authorizations
so it so yes it is it is like a cleanup
item because uh we need additional
authority to to go over the $50,000 city
manager contract Authority on the fiscal
impact portion I should have spelled
that out better the reason there was no
fiscal impact was because uh silverlakes
is supposed to reimburse the city for
100% of the cost of this contract so we
will pay the
$90,000 but we'll get reimbursed 100% by
Silver Lakes so it should be a wash with
no fiscal impact but you're right that
should have been spelled out better in
in the
section and
then uh understanding and or
notwithstanding their their expertise in
um these type of
transactions
um would you feel it would also be
prudent to have our accounting
firm look at
um at this
situation and also do you think it would
be prudent to put out a um an RFP for a
firm that does um more large Sports
Parks
financing it's definitely something
that's staff can look into uh it
would provide another uh objective set
of eyes to some of the numbers we're
looking at so if if Council wants us to
proceed down that we can go ahead and
take a look and gather some information
and come back to council with with what
that would look like
okay thank you that's all I
have did you want to make a motion for
that okay so you okay I'll move to
approve but I would like it noted in the
minutes that baloa management group is
reimbursing the city for the cost of the
services
second please vote
motion passes with council member or
mayor protim Newton voting
no moving on to
5A uh community development director
will answer any questions you have does
council have any questions or concerns
about
5A do we have any public
comments no public comments on 5 a uh I
ask for a motion on
5A move to
approve
second please
vote do you need to read this no Mr
Mayor we read it on the first read
okay motion passes unanimous thank you
moving onone to 5B uh does council have
any question questions or concerns with
Sam any public comments no public
comments on 5 b ask for a
motion have a motion I need a second
I'll
second I know I was like that was a
second second in a second sorry can I
make the motion sign again I made a
second please vote oh God I'm G to get
fired motion passes unanimous thank you
thank you moving on to 5c this will be
for the
attorney uh do we have any questions or
concerns through
Colin are there any public comments we
have one public comment card Dylan
wimple
are there public comments on a second
read yes there are okay okay thank
you good evening good evening Dylan wimo
is a resident I just want to say good
help is hard to find I think you all put
in a lot of work I think it's entirely
reasonable to do a onetime adjustment on
a 20-year-old decision and I support the
motion thank you sir any other public
comments no further comments closing
public comments bringing it back to
council for motion move to approve
second please
vote motion Was Defeated
um we have council member Newton voting
no council member grum Gren Meer voting
no and council member Hannah abstaining
from
vote all
right moving on discussion um order
presentation for discussion items will
be staff report presentation Council
questions of Staff public comment
Council discussion and
action we'll begin with 6A
um G
Rios nice to see you is this your first
time presenting it is good luck thank
you good evening city council tonight I
have before you the California Native
tolerant Landscaping
policy on April 17th of
2024 the Narco city council directed
staff to create a California Native
drought tolerant Landscaping policy for
review at a future meeting the proposed
policy will prioritize the use of
California Native drought tolerant
landscaping and will support noro's
conservation goals along with complying
with state and local water
regulations the policy intends to apply
these practices to City facilities
during Landscaping upgrades or new
projects striving to use native drought
tolerant plants wherever feasible the
city will make every effort to utilize
ize California Native drought tolerant
plans as reasonably
achievable the purpose of this policy is
to promote sustainable Landscaping
practices at City facilities to conserve
water enhance biodiversity and
strengthen resilience to drought and
climate
variability this policy applies to all
new Landscaping installations and
Rehabilitation projects at City
facilities which will be managed by the
park
superintendent the proposed guidelines
include native plant
selection the city encourages the
selection of California Native drought
tolerant plants as recommended by the
California Native Plant Society and the
Riverside Corona resource Conservation
District water conservation the city
will prioritize the use of low water use
plants and efficient irrigation methods
to significantly reduce water waste
moreover Turf elimination Turf will be
eliminated as a ground for option in
medians Parkways and for purely
ornamental
purposes so why native plants native
plants improve water conservation native
plants are naturally adapted to thrive
in Southern California's Aid climate
requiring minimal supplemental
irrigation once established this
characteristic not only prevents Water
waste but also eleviate strain on local
Water
Resources native plant support biodivers
iers native plants are vital to noro's
local ecosystems providing essential
habitat sources food sources and nesting
sites for indigenous Wildlife species
including Birds insects and pollinators
like bees and
butterflies they also possess natural
defenses against pests and diseases
attracting beneficial insects and
animals that enhance natural Pest
Management native plants also adapt to
climate change these species are
inherently resilient and adaptable to
climate variability making them well
suited to cope with changing
environmental conditions furthermore
they advanc sustainability initiatives
native planting serve as effective tools
for carbon sequestration by absorbing
carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and
storing it in vegetation and soil this
process mitigates carbon emissions and
supports broader efforts to combat
climate change
the city of Norco is committed to
partnering with the cnps to utilize
their expertise on native plants and
Landscaping through resources like
calscape which is a database that offers
detailed information on California
native plants for Effective
integration collaborations will also
extend to the
rccd which provides valuable services
including Environmental Education soil
Health assistance and Native Plant
propagation or reproduction
additionally Partnerships with the
Western Municipal Water District will
focus on promoting sustainable
landscaping and securing grant funding
to replace Turf with drought tolerant
native plants at City
facilities attached to this policy is
the native plant species list the
California native plant species list
recommended by the cnps and the rccd
includes plants that require moderate to
very low water intake the city is
committed to incorporating these native
drought tolerant species were ever
feasible however factors such as plant
availability and maintenance
requirements May necessitate the use of
alternative drought tolerant plants
including succulent and cacti when
native options are not available
furthermore under Norco municipal code
alander is prohibited and must not be
planted or maintained within City
Limits thank you for your time and I
will now answer any questions that you
may have does council have any questions
well done by the way thank
you Robin I had a question for you on
some of the native plants that are uh
listed uh in the report a couple of
them they're native so they're not
invasive but they do have a tendency to
spread pretty aggressively so when the
planting decisions are made on the parks
areas uh I would assume asse the
superintendent would take that into
consideration
correct right yes okay perfect so and
then just for you know if anybody's
familiar equisetum or horse tail was
listed in one of these morning glories
um know at the a department we fight
those all the time because we do have
them planted but they do they're very
aggressive and take over entire areas so
just want to make sure as we're
promoting native plants uh within the
city and just in general for folks at
home that they um that were
communicating clearly with some of these
that um they can be a bit aggressive in
nature as far as how they spread so
thank you for your report thank you
anything yeah yeah I just I had sent in
a question earlier just looking because
when we were looking at doing this
policy some feedback I had given was
looking at is there a recommended
percent of natives um and there wasn't
from our uh subject matter experts so
thank you
GRE good report thank you so you
graduated yeah I graduated last year all
right well I know Amanda's happy with
all your work and she's proud of you um
couple of things i' and to you and to
staff that I know you've been doing
this quite um a while um with with
Native plants this is nothing new to uh
you know our staff I do appreciate in
your report that U you took the time to
list plants that are also available and
coste
effective okay um which is something
that we should always be aware of
um when you mentioned Oleander
okay did we check any of these
plants or Rec recommendation plants for
toxicity to
animals no okay
so you know when you're looking for
something to
do maybe just want to run down that
list we did not but we could we could
definitely um look through it again yeah
I
mean that's all I have good job
appreciate it
any other questions
bwin stay
nearby um do we have any public
comments no public comments on this item
okay closing that bringing back to
council for Action sorry mayor we do we
have one Dylan
wimple all hello
again hi uh my name is Dylan wimple here
as a resident of Norco to comment on the
policy first I'd like to say thank you
for Council for provid providing the
direction and thank you to City staff
for all of the invested time and effort
that went into this I appreciate our
commitment as a city to Green Space I
would ask for a few clarification points
and request some minor adjustments if
possible uh we call out that water is a
precious a precious resource and
destructive force a native drought
tolerant Landscaping policy neglects the
potential use of riparian and other
native plants that can help drain
flooded areas that are prone to flooding
during seasonal Water Events native
riparian buffers can be installed to
infiltrate and soak up storm water
quickly reducing the burden on our storm
water infrastructure please allow in
certain instances high water use plants
and include them in our storm water
management plan I don't see any trees on
the list there's shrubs perals and
everything else trees are major points
of biodiversity our native Oaks Willows
and Cherry support hundreds of species
of caterpillars and are keystones for
biodiversity please take the opportunity
to review our street tree list in a
future session and work to increase
native tree options ideally giving
preference to them when site conditions
allow long-term care and maintenance
costs will be reduced so I ask Council
take the opportunity to invest in
training City staff on the maintenance
and care of native plantings this will
help save on cost for failed
installations and ensures that the right
plant is chosen for the right place in
larger projects I'd ask that bloom
periods are taken into account to
support pollinators with forage of
nectar and pollen throughout the entire
year smaller installations may be exempt
as side conditions
allow if suitable plant material is not
available aset before switching to a
non-native option an alternative native
option or an alternative native size so
if it's a one gallon that we can only
find in three gallons or Etc that that
be given preference and finally I would
ask that as this effort is a municipal
program that when we contract out work
and when we uh push for commercial
applications that we encourage the
inclusion of native plants in those so
potentially and Landscaping contracts I
know we bid everything out and apply
weighted scores to everything if we can
include a native plant weight on our
analyses and sorry my fault and in
commercial plantings when we're
requiring native green or we're
requiring green space and all of these
if we can offer support to these
commercial Endeavors make it easy for
them to just plug and play an approved
option that works with their conditions
and take the burden off of them so that
it's more easily adapted changes like
those I think will better reflect our
city and keep a cohesive vision for the
entire city and I thank you for your
time thank you
sir no further comments mayor all right
bring you back to council for
Action I'd just like to comment uh thank
you to this uh staff and the parks
department for and facilities for
already implementing some of this if you
look at the Cathy aavo Memorial if you
look at the Veterans area the
Landscaping in front of the community
center has all been done already with
this in mind prior to policy so I want
to thank staff for being proactive on
that and with that I will move to
approve second
please
vote motion passes unanimous thank you
moving on to
6B um do we have
any staff report first of all yes
yes good evening
Council this agenda item uh 6B is the
required annual review of accessory
building our accessory building
ordinance was is chapter 1868 of our nor
municipal code and this is uh
non-habitable accessory buildings
consisting primarily of um RV garages
garages and barns so part of when when
the count adopted this um this ordinance
it was required to be um reviewed on an
annual basis so here we are uh the um
annual review typically consists of uh
provides the the council well our
Planning Commission and city council a
history of what the changes that have
been done um uh beginning in 2017 when
the ordinance was adopted and it
provides um the number of accessory
buildings that were approved in the
prior calendar year and it goes into
issu isues that may have come up as um
during the year that may warrant some
changes so tonight's presentation is
basically going to focus on uh
discussion items of uh just issues
potential changes that have come up in
the previous year that are worthy for of
consideration to see if there's any
potential changes so the first
discussion item um that um is being
recommended for discussion is that um in
the approval of an accessory building
there's required findings that have to
be made and there are in ordinance staff
is recommending uh that an additional
finding be added so that um when an
accessory building is approved um that
we analyze and make sure that there's
still room to add an Adu of the minimum
size of 800 square feet um I incorrectly
mentioned 850 Square F feet but for an
Adu the minimum size that we have to
allow is 800 square feet now the reason
being that um we allow for a detached
accessory dwelling unit or Adu we allow
1,200 sare fet but if they can't meet
all the requirements we have to add a
minimum allow 800 square fet that could
potentially end up in the in the pack if
it's not you know um feasible anywhere
else so what we want to add is the
finding that you know after with the
approving of this garage for example
garage there's still room to um add an
Adu that's not going to obstruct the um
animal keeping area uh Planning
Commission reviewed this and they they
agreed with straff recommendation that a
finding should be added so the second
item is that we amend the development
standards to address conversion of
accessory buildings into adus so um as
the council is aware uh in addition to
allowing a detached new newly
constructed Adu uh residents do have the
ability to convert uh an accessory
building like for
example a garage into an additional Adu
so what what uh the discussion was the
plan with the Planning Commission is
that we look at the development
standards of the accessory buildings and
um potentially amend them to not make it
as easy I guess to facilitate a
conversion so what the the Planning
Commission directed or or recommended
that we look at the
um uh the uh RV garages and the RV
garages are allowed at 1,000 sare ft²
with an additional 400 square F feet uh
the recommendation is that we consider
um removing the additional 400 square F
feet and maybe making them more narrow
uh so that they're basically built only
to accommodate uh RVs or or structure as
opposed to an additional Adu uh the
second item for discussion is that we C
centralize the requirement for an AA or
an animal keeping open animal keeping
area in chapter 1868 right now the way
it's written it just defers to the
underlying Zone staff has recommended
that as part of the development
standards the um the provision for the
AA uh be specified in in chapter 1868
and plan commission said yes that's a
good idea so um the other item for
discussion is that we codify the number
of accessory buildings Allowed by type
um you know for example the code allows
RV
garage uh and smaller buildings 864 s
feet and Barnes um the recommendation is
that we codify for example that only one
RV
garage um with be allowed and not
several um and that if conditions
warranted they can apply for a variance
to allow for more uh another point of
discussion is that um we did get a a
letter written by a a property owner
that we look at the height of of for
example RV garages versus animal keeping
structures um right now the height of an
RV garage is uh the wall actually the
wall is is uh taller than um 16 ft than
was it allowed for a um animal keeping
structure which is limited at at 10 ft
um and that we consider the concern was
that we're more permissive for arvi
garage height as opposed to a barn but
there was a reason for um why we limited
it because again for um an RV garage the
cap is at a th000 square feet for a barn
it could go much bigger depending on the
number of animal units and hence you're
you can go ultimately go transition up
to 18 ft but it starts low because you
know you're when it's a big structure
you're actually breaking up the
appearance of a big block as opposed to
um uh as opposed to a big large um um
Square so uh and finally um increase the
square footage of buildings except from
Planning Commission review um let me
Backtrack on the the height reviewing
the height the commission said you know
just basically leave it alone and there
is a variance process to um you know to
um warrant discussion for individual
Property Owners on a case-by Case basis
so the last point of discussion is that
um increasing the square footage of
buildings that are exempt from Planning
Commission review right now buildings
that are 240 ft don't require Planning
Commission review they still have to
meet with the requirements but they
don't require Planning Commission review
the recommendation was that we possibly
go all the way up to 864 square feet for
exempt from Planning Commission review
Planning Commission uh reie uh basically
said that no let's just leave it how it
is to only exempt those that are 240
square fet or less so again part of the
this is just discussion uh part of the
um required um anual review of accessory
building uh ordinance chapter
1868 um and discussion for issues and um
concerns are always discussed as part of
our review and the purpose of this um
agenda item is for the uh uh city
council to review um uh the planning
commission's recommendations and
determine whether we should move forward
with code amendments and with that I
will conclude and answer any questions
thank you uh Council have any questions
bwin
Greg there we go
um on that explanation where it was um
concerned from the property owner that's
on page 288 of 341 yeah U middle of the
page Wall height
um
so it's on a barn yes it's 10 feet from
the eve yes right
but we can go up to 18
ft right so I don't really understand
the concern in in this
case that since it can be larger right
yes then let's say the RV storage so
yeah I was just trying to it it didn't
read real clear to me on that
um so it goes back to something you said
earlier um where we can impact pacas or
animal keeping areas based on what's
feasible so my question
is how how do we determine
feasibility um is as far
as I don't like the idea of giving up an
animaling area for an Adu or any other
structure so um would it be feasible um
like in a definition to say well you
have to remove a another structure to
make your Adu fit instead of impacting
the animal keeping
area so definition of what's feasible
and how would we determine that well
gener generally speaking what staff um
was looking at for example um accessory
buildings these like U garages barns are
not um they're not an automatic approval
so it's a discretionary approval by the
Planning Commission so they can be
denied M ad cannot they they're
ministerial they don't have to go before
the Planning Commission they're approved
at staff level uh and we have to allow
them we have to so what we were staff's
um uh
consensus on this was basically and in
the consensus by the Planning Commission
was that when we look at accessory
buildings like an nvy garage um we need
to look and see whether if some in
addition to that garage if somebody
comes in and wants to build an Adu we
want to make sure that there's still
room for that Adu outside of for
primarily the animal keeping area so
basically how they would show that is
maybe just do like a square of at least
800 square Fe showing hey you know you
guys allow This Barn uh we can still
make provision for an Adu that's not
going to be inside the Packa or obstruct
the access to it so they just they would
have to show it demonstrate if they
can't um demonstrate well then I guess
they would have to reduce the size of
their um accessory building if they
can't I'm sure that it could accommodate
because again if we can accommodate if
we after applying all the restrictions
like a Packa access to it all the step
backs and you can't at least accommodate
a a new detached 800t Adu it's got to go
either in the front yard or in what we
have as our animal keeping area and it
could be the Packa or the animal keep
and that's what we want to avoid
okay I like that we can become proactive
on this right yes that's the that's the
intent thanks to you planning staff and
Planning
Commission but they you can also put an
Adu in your front yard you can if that's
the only place that's left yeah
MH or take out the animal keeping pretty
much
yes
okay good luck thank
you C but I appreciate that Alma
thanks yes what is the cost for a
variance um it's listed in some cases if
if this were to go through someone could
apply for a variance what would the cost
be for a variance the cost for variance
in in addition to um the review for the
accessory building is
$3,885 and then um to build on what Greg
had said with the barns I drew myself a
little picture so I guess I'm thinking
most of our lots are half acre so the
way our accessory building ordinance is
currently written your barn can have 10
foot walls but it can go quite up to 18
but your RV garage can have 16t yes so
in that sense you are allowed a higher
building right not in the center but on
the side of your walls um on the same
size lot yes which was the the instance
where you know I think that person saw
an RV garage and thought well I can
build my barn in a similar fashion and
then found out that they could not
correct that it well based on the
description that they were providing us
it was intended for a barn so that's
where the Restriction came in okay and
then in the staff
report the recommendation cuz some of
them had to do with each other so I was
you know reading them all trying to
connect all the dots
um there was a suggestion of limiting
the size then of the RV garage so that
it would be a narrow building if the
walls were that high yes the the
suggestion basically came from you know
you're creating situations where you're
it's not easily converted into
a Adu so what was the recommendation is
that to eliminate the additional 400 ft
that is allowed in addition to 1,000
square F feet and then um establish some
kind of limit as to the width of it to
where it's only wide enough to basically
accommodate um what's intended for an RV
or a large vehicle so that way it would
be more of a skinny building um as
opposed to something that's wide that
could be turned into potentially an 18
okay and then what would the limit be
because I know one of the
recommendations later on that that did
not the Planning
Commission didn't recommend to adopt was
to allow more of a ministerial approval
for buildings that are 864 square feet
so are we talking about other than an RV
Garage in that
instance anything that's 8 uh no it
would it yes anything the height limit
to be ministerial would be at at 8 foot
walls and 14 foot tall so yes it would
not include an arv
garage and 86 64 ft and under okay I
just wanted to follow where all those
pieces were were coming okay I think
those are all my questions right now
thank you
Robin um what would it take to outright
ban
them ban accessory buildings because the
problem that we have is that we're
trying to promote animaling large plot
farming small plot farming we're trying
to promote a lifestyle of Elbow Room
with the last one left and so in
um I'm I'm actually surprised because we
actually have an Adu being built in the
front yard on somebody on California
Avenue and because they claimed they
didn't have the room in the back when
they did have room in the back but your
hands were tied and so I think that if
we're being forced to do this I think we
need to get rid of accessory buildings I
think I I totally get people want to
park motor homes and those kind of
things but how many motor homes will
take to sustain 7,000 rooftops to
maintain a Halfacre
parcel what would it take a Cote
Amendment from uh approved and adopted
by Council great thank you uh do we have
any public
comments no public comments on this item
right closing public comments bringing
back to council for comments
action always was like a good discussion
with you Kevin so I think Banning
accessory buildings would be difficult
um where would I park my horse
trailer horse trailer isn't as high as a
motor
home
um so are you suggesting all accessory
buildings or just certain uses like an
RV garage I think RV garages I think
that's really what I'm talking I'm
talking about workshops I'm talking
about the these big high
structures that
um that we've allowed in the past and
you know you know what you can you can
blame the city
council but the reality is this is the
state doing this this is their fault and
the reality is I'd rather have a horse
in the backyard or a workshop in the
backyard than a frig RV because remember
Orange Park Acres he used to shoe over
there guess what what that's RV Heaven
there's no horses there
anymore and it's not even so much the
horses it's that we are becoming RV
heaven and so I I'm not even proposing
we do that but I think that the reality
is is they put in an RV you have animal
keeping so it goes on top of that or it
goes in the front yard and if we buck
that we'd have the privilege of the
State of California saying guess what
you people don't know how to Zone and
they're just going to rip your zoning
away and I see the leac cities guy he's
shaking his head they're shaking their
head up and down up and down you don't
think that won't
happen that's why we can't play around
as Council people and I'm not saying we
do but this is a very serious situation
they walk up to the counter they slap it
down say I'm building an Adu and I'm
going to put it in my front yard because
in my opinion it doesn't fit in the
backyard so I think we really need to we
need to be coldhearted on this and maybe
go to our legislators I mean I know it
doesn't help because we're on the wrong
side of the aisle but the reality is is
that is the reality and we're trying to
protect the last one we're the last
Community like
this so you know a lot of people right
now you right now we're hearing about
the flight from the cities because of
the disasters they' become and Norco is
a Target and by the way just so we're
clear everybody thinks we're so
expensive we're cheap compared to you
know what you buy a postage stamp in Los
VES you're going to pay $2 million and
it's it's half the size of this room so
I don't know I'm not saying we do it but
I think we need to be serious about this
are we going to be RV Heaven I get the
horse trailer situation maybe we need to
do some investigation in terms of that
but it's the adus and I and we are doing
everything we possibly can to legalize
adus School District doesn't want to
play ball with us that's what what's
happening they they're like hey we need
that money it's not my fault there're I
mean I know what everybody says but
school district is not in great
financial shape I don't care what
anybody says right now nobody can be in
good shape because we don't know what's
going to happen we all pretend like you
know nothing's happening there's no
recession it's a crazy it's a crazy time
and all I'm trying to do is protect our
lifestyle how do we do that and how do
we make those hard choices I mean you
know Greg you and I we I mean my first
meeting we were talking about this right
Berwin that was my first topic of
discussion were were huge
buildings
so we have to we have to decide how does
this fit into our scheme of what we want
Norco to look like in 25 years that's
the key we lose animals or small lot uh
if we lose what keeps the large
Lots the next councils are going to come
along and they're just going to cut them
up because the way communities like ours
fall is they go well you know what if we
just reone that part that'll bring us
enough property tax that we'll be able
to take care of this part but then
eventually you go well that part's not
so expensive and besides that those
streets are kind of old and then if you
get districts then this District what
they'll do is they'll say well I don't
care about that it's happening Riverside
they're going to run those lines right
through one of their own districts I
mean you don't think that won't happen
in Norco
so I don't mean to I just what do you
guys want to do how do we want to
protect it can I yeah please thanks I'm
I'm
done no you're not
um on your discussion
item
um explain a little more on the last
item increase the square footage of a
building exempt from Planning Commission
review and what was what specifics with
that that and what was the planning
commission's um
opinion so uh the the to give you a
little more explanation on that right
now um accessory buildings like
workshops that are no taller than 14t to
the peak and 8ot to the wall if they're
240 feet or less we review them over the
counter they don't have to go to
Planning Commission 240 240 okay the
recommendation here was to increase the
exemption to for buildings up to 864 ft
where we would just approve them at
staff level and the reason for that is
that those are rarely an issue they're
very easily able to accommodate all the
requirements and I have not seen one
that has been denied by Planning
Commission because usually when they get
there they've met all the requirements
so it would be easier for the uh members
of the community to get those approved
because they're they're smaller Planning
Commission said no let's let's leave it
as it is 240 we want those to keep
coming to the Planning Commission that
was our recommendation and um yeah
that's okay so
currently we're just stopping at 240 for
staff approval correct that's the code
that's the way it's it's
codified nothing against staff I concur
though with the Planning Commission
recommendation only for an extra set
ofis yes right
um you know like we talked earlier about
feasibility right okay
um that's all I have right now thank you
anybody
else do we have a motion do we have a
thought
discussion we've already asked for
public
com so if if I can kind of help guide
the discussion a little bit um yeah so
again this is just a discussion this is
just uh to get some input on whether we
should move forward so if I can start
with the first item uh the first item is
whether we should go ahead and um come
back with at a future time I mean this
is not something think it's in a hurry
but that we should come back with a um
uh an amendment for a finding that you
know they can still accommodated ad
you that's my question yeah so to go by
one by one by these and see yes I love
that so I agree with the first
bullet does anybody else not
agree okay
okay okay so that's that's okay and the
second one is amend the standards for
example the commission told us to focus
on just um the um RV garages to where
you know maybe put us a limit on how how
wide they can be and eliminate the 400
sare F feet additional 400 square feet
and then can you just review almost so
what if it's not an RV garage how large
could someone they they could no longer
be, 1400 square feet right because that
was only well it's not I mean again The
Way It Was Written it's a large vehicle
so it could be a large truck I mean
pickup truck it could be just a large
vehicle
so then that would limmit all buildings
to 1,000 square F feet just what's for a
large vehicle parking building which for
example we keep using the RV because
that was the was the original right so
I'm exempting animal keeping from
because that depends on animal units but
let's say I wanted to build a workshop
what's the size limit for my workshop
864 feet okay this would be just for the
ones that are 100 1,000 square feet and
an additional 400 square feet on the
side so the suggestion is to amend that
that type of building
only to where we would no longer allow
an additional squ ft it's just a th000
ft and then just make a maximum uh a
what is it width to where it's you know
it's intended only to accommodate a
large vehicle and not converted into to
a house okay so you could have your
animal keeping
facility and up to 864 square feet for
some other kind of Workshop out building
or an RV structure that would be
below a th000 square feet I'm assuming
well it would stay a thousand but you
would make it just more narrow so it
could be long and skinny yeah that's
that's kind of what would they ask us to
consider but again okay I just want to
make sure I'm understanding the
recommendations yeah and again we would
just come back with the recommendation
for how we would change it if if the
council decides uh determines that we
should move forward with uh a code
Amendment okay yeah mayor if I may so I
think that the general direction is good
we can what you decide today we'll draft
and then you can ultimately decide
tomorrow modify as you give them more
thought any other comments
yeah Al on
that vehicle parking buildings versus
the large animal keeping shelters MH
should they be the same height what
height are you talking about the Wall
height the Wall height yes okay what how
tall are you talking about the the
concern was that for a large L vehicle
parking building like an RV garage we
allow Wall height of
18t 16 my my apologies 16 feet and then
ultimate Peak height at 18 feet for an
animal keeping structure the Wall height
maximum is 10 feet but but it could you
know kind of go up to um the peak height
maximum at 18 so that's where the
concern the concern was like Hey you
know you allow a taller wall high for an
Arvy than you do for an animal keeping
structure but there was a reason for
that when back in 2017 when all of this
was drafted so that that was the
conc taller the wall is on a horse
barn the harder the temperature control
for the animals is that's why most of
them standard are about 8 ft everywhere
and you go on up to 12 or M 14 then
you're going to have a hard time
controlling the the temperature like the
cold weather it's colder in there in a
taller building it's hotter in the
summertime in a taller building so I
couldn't imagine I mean there's some
people probably do it but
uh I couldn't imagine having one animal
keeping Barn 18t walls on it or 16
whatever Planning Commission said just
they their consensus was just leave it
as as it is if somebody needs a variance
we can consider it on a Case by case
basis
so and staff concurs with anyway that's
my
nickelsworth so I'm
sorry Rob you're okay
um where was
it I want to let that wall height slip
away yet
um I'm still thinking about this well I
think I'm okay on the the build an
exemption on the square footage um you
know as Berwin said I think based on
that letter um 10 foot
high from the the Eve for animal keeping
is fine right
um and you can go up to
16 at the ridge 18 at thege 18 on the
ridge all the way still an animal an yes
you it could just kind of progress all
right I think I'm good with all these
discussion items to okay
yeah let staff move forward a little bit
more with the
commission okay so it sounds like
there's consensus based on a
recommendation yeah clarification
clarifying question you say move forward
with the commission because they gave
their feedback on this I just want to
make sure understand what you're saying
well yeah but I mean staff would what
the commission tying some of these
discussion items together and I would
assume that you
would whatever these changes are run it
at the Planning Commission yeah so it
sounds like the clation that uh
Catherine um council member Alman is
saying is move forward with with the
recommendations of the Planning
Commission and come back with a code uh
code amendment to address all of them
how based on the recommendation so all
that would come back I guess what I was
saying then is if there's any other
little changes is
discussion what has to come back in to
run that to plan yeah it oh I see yeah
the actual yes the ordinances will go
that in then they'll come back to us
with the actual fleshed out language so
so we're good
okay okay moving
on thank you
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um mayor if I may yes might be if if you
I would suggest we take item D next
since I know we have you have a
colleague from the mayor from City of
camesa here all right so we will jump to
d uh consider the city's city of Norco
current participation League of
California cities and future
participation in California contract
cities
Association Lori thank you mayor so this
was brought up at a prior on June 5th
council meeting to come back to you for
a discussion so we've provided you with
some information about both about the
league of California cities the members
um the member benefits that we receive
the du's amounts and so forth so and we
do have tonight our um our regional
public affairs manager Jesse Ramirez is
here and then yeah I just learned
tonight Linda Molina from the city of
camesa is here tonight so they're here
on this item so really we're looking for
direction from you on this item with
regard to our membership in the league
of cities I provided some comments to
you in the staff report and then also as
part of that discussion you it was um
direction to also for you to discuss
contract cities so contract City
separate organization about 80 members
most of those members virtually all
those members are also cities members
they're really focused on cities that
have that Contract Services model like
we do here um and they provide other
sorts of levels of of advocacy and
support to cities that provide Contract
Services through the contract model the
Lakewood plan if you will to the
old-timers that's what it was called so
with that we're just looking for your
direction and discussion great um so
I'll just bring it to council for
comments I guess because I was the one
that kind of started this ball rolling
and the reason I did is uh I was having
some issues with some of the things that
were occurring but a lot of those issues
have now gone
away um the new chair of the state folks
uh is actually from Ranch kukamonga we
had a we have a very like interest in
that both of our cities are trying to
figure out a way to fairly receive some
of the funding coming from uh the
warehousing and the issue with the
warehousing of course is that for
whatever reason they kind of pulled the
rug out from under us we get the trucks
they get the money and so that was
extremely upsetting but what most upset
me was the fact that the uh League of
California cities we actually had a
decision to go forward with trying to
make it more fair and what happened was
the cities that had the warehouses and
were making all this money they went
outside the league and there were no
ramifications and they lobbied actually
against the position of our city um then
there was sort of a purge of a lot of
the folks that um were from our region
and there was a purge at the state level
a lot of that has now changed um we
Aaron sassy was was a pretty outstanding
um uh Regional rep for us and this last
meeting I have to say was really
excellent I now kind of wish everybody
had been there uh it was really put
together well I really appreciated it I
sense there's a big change coming I had
a long talk with um the rep that if
that's the rep for rev and tax revenue
and Taxation um there's a new direction
that appears we can go is the Inland
Empire um these are all very interesting
changes the reason that I thought about
maybe going to contract cities is the
fact that contract cities seems to be
more in touch with what this housing is
really doing to cities it's destroying
them and it's it's it's literally C it's
literally giving developers a license to
steal and we're facing it right now in
the city of Norco and
so that said
the the contract cities are pretty weak
at the moment in the Inland Empire I'm
also sensing that Within the Inland
Empire there is a new Strength um in
terms of the cities that are coming
together there's a real frustration with
how Northern California is kind of
pushing us around so my personal opinion
is is I think we need to and and not
that it's me but it looks like I'm about
ready to be the chair of revent tax
which means I will have the ability to
really tune get in touch and in tune
with ranch kukamonga and I'm very
pleased uh that that may happen um I
also think let's just face it League of
cities the most important part A lot of
times of the conferences is that we're
connecting with the other cities um I
know a lot of the Cities now that have
left that I was talking to with before
are now coming back to the league of
cities and so with that said um I'm I'm
open to discussions and that kind of
thing but I just wanted to to let you
know that my position is I think at
least for the coming year we need to
stay with the Le with the league um do
we have any comments or anything
questions okay um would would you mind
if we invited up uh our league
representative or our our Inland Empire
chairman I don't know well I just want
to make sure I can come on up and then
we'll have public comments after
that long time no see thank you for this
opportunity uh my name is Linda Molina
I'm here from a city much like uh Norco
calesa it's a rural City we're just a
little bit smaller by population and
square footage square miles I should say
but I'm really here um as president of
Riverside County Cal cities and here to
talk to the value of Cal cities this
year has been so challenging every year
we have at least, 1500 new bills good
ones bad ones and it's up to the city's
representatives to sorted out and work
together and I think this year more than
any other year prior Partnerships are
key getting information out is key and
so we have as president of ight County
and when I heard that there was some
discussion for Norco I thought it
prudent to come and show my support and
re reiterate how important it is to for
our cities for funding success for um
getting information out and and
encouraging all members of of the city
not just councils and thank you mayor
bash for for letting me talk here in
Council and City staff and Community I
appreciate this but um funding funding
success and education and and awareness
is key and so I think what we've done in
Riverside county is we have this year re
reached out to San Bernardino Division
and Mountain cities division we're
looking at Imperial County LA and Orange
County we're all in the same boat we all
have core issues we're all uniquely
different but the key thing is sorting
through the bad laws and the good laws
and supporting each other in that
respect and so I thought it prudent for
me to come here tonight to tell you
there is a value in Cal cities it's not
a perfect system just like any
everything else but um it's worked it's
working well in Riverside County and I
hope that you will continue to support
Riverside County excuse me there are
seven policy committees we encourage
all cities to participate in those it
gives you a just like a council has five
or seven different perspectives and you
make a decision as a whole the policy
committees are designed for the same
thing you give your input and then the
the the board hopefully listens and and
we move forward and we're successful and
so I think we've done well this year the
evil housing laws are just that um
funding is is being challenged at the
from the federal level all the way down
to the city level and um Partnerships
are are what working and getting
information out so we have uh member
meetings every other month we encourage
council members to come we encourage
encourage city managers we have
trainings this is this the strength of
Kel cities is the trainings new elected
trainings Brown act ethics um those are
key for successful for new for newly
electeds I remember when I first um got
on Council it was it there was a
learning curve and and you don't really
realize what the job is until you get in
that seat so so I hope that you'll
consider keeping uh strength in Cal
cities by participating and joining us
at our member cities I invite you invite
you all to come if you haven't been um
I'm I'm president this year of Riverside
County so I'm very proud to do so um
it's a passion for me to mainly get
information out and get input from every
city that's the only way we're going to
succeed is to have our voice heard and
so I'm here just just to say that please
um keep our our our County Strong
and um and be active I know Jesse has a
few things to say as well but um that
was the most important thing that I
wanted to to share is how important it
is for us to have our voice heard
because we have a lot to say thank you
thank
you hi Jesse good evening uh mayor and
council members uh thank you for your
time staff thank you for your time uh I
just want to give you guys a quick
overview and I want to start um uh at
this housing conversation with Adu since
it was fresh um we hired a housing
lobbyist shortly after I was hired there
in November uh he joined our team in
January and he hit the road running um
we have been playing defense uh as you
can imagine in Sacramento with some of
these housing laws coming through but
folks we have some real serious laws
coming out um currently that we're
opposing um ab1 1885 which uh enacts
Builder remedy for cities who haven't uh
had their housing element
uh approved is a big one they're
changing the housing element our housing
lobbyists worked with the Senate to
provide them with information on why hcd
should be audited and that's happening I
mean we're doing some really cool stuff
uh at the state level uh in and really
trying to protect that local zoning
control so I just wanted to start off
with that um I do want to give you a
quick uh just overview of Kel City's uh
as it is I'm going to break this down
into three different areas education
advocacy and then our political side um
our advocacy uh we have a legislative
director named Jason Ry and we have six
lobbyists at the state level that are
here to serve you um those areas include
Housing Development Public Safety power
energy and
transportation environmental Tax and
Revenue governance transparency and
Labor Relations uh and this year at our
legislative Summit our our uh lobbyist
did a really good job of connecting our
delegation to some of those members on
key committees uh and so we had a really
good conversation with those Folks up in
Sacramento around some of our regional
issues uh education just for next year
already we have a total of eight events
on the calendar uh Mayors and Council
Academy a city manager conference a
planning Commissioners conference Public
Works officers Institute uh city leaders
Summit which is our advocacy day in
Sacramento uh our city attorneys
conference and our annual conference
those conferences are outside of our
division uh conferences we have a total
of like M Linda mentioned six division
meetings per year and we're adding two
more next year one of them is going to
be a workshop for planning Commissioners
to better understand the laws and better
understand their responsibilities as
count as as planning Commissioners uh a
lot of folks uh in different areas of
the state their planning Commissioners
are not dealing with the types of
projects that we're dealing with here in
Riverside County and so that was super
important to them and so I've added that
I've gotten approval from Kel cities to
do that within the division so we'll be
doing that next year as well um the last
last aspect that I wanted to discuss was
the political arm of Kel cities as you
all know we have a fundraiser every
division has a fundraiser once a year
for City pack this pack goes toward
ballot measures that are directly
affecting negatively affecting local
control um this year we had a big win
with the cbrt ballot measure the Supreme
Court ruled it out uh but that would
have uh really impacted cities
negatively from a financial planning
process as well as a collection of fees
process Kel cities uh approached this in
a three-way approach we did a legal
Amicus brief where we fought it legally
we did a legislative approach where we
submitted ACA 13 and and put out a uh
opposition ballot measure and then we
ran a PR campaign where we submitted
over 220 resolutions from cities across
the state opposing this ballot measure
um as you may have heard uh at our last
meeting and I think mayor bash alluded
to it we got an update from our DA's
office as well as Sheriff bianco's
office on uh prop 36 this is the
District Attorney's ballot measure that
is uh aiming to repeal some aspects of
Prop 47 Kel City's board did vote to
support that measure and so we we're
going to be the face of that campaign
here in Riverside County um Kel cities
has again an aspect of of uh in kind
donation through my time uh that I will
put forth toward that that effort and so
um those are three the three advocacy
areas that we really approach um our our
legislative and and uh I guess
policymaking decisions from so I'd be
happy to answer any questions in the
report um but that's kind of a general
update on on how Kel City operates and
what we're doing here in Riverside
County in addition to that I want to
throw one last thing out there we we as
as Linda mentioned we this is the first
year we've actually partnered with
sanino County and Mountain division um
our strategy going in and this was uh a
lot a lot to do with Linda's leadership
here was to put all of these divisions
not together as one division but to talk
about similar issues warehousing
warehousing sales tax being one of them
um and what we've learned is that in the
first meeting we had over 220 attendees
housing homelessness warehousing these
are all issues that impact us
differently than other areas of the
state and so being able to put the
numbers together through Kel cities has
been very important with that being said
we also have an incoming president from
rancha kukamonga um council member Lynn
um gosh dang it I'm forgetting ly
Kennedy thank you um she'll be our
incoming president and so we'll have a
regional president and I'm really hoping
that uh between the collaboration of
both of those divisions we really move
some some good policy forward next year
so thank you do anybody have any
questions okay thank you sir yep um
moving to public comments I have no
public comments mayor bring back to
councel
well it would be my suggestion we stay
with League of cities at least for the
next year um one of the things I forgot
to mention was the fact that for the
first time we're linking with three
other counties that has never happened
before that's a huge positive step um
and that's while acknowledging maybe the
last year was not the strongest year
that we've had because of the
transition but I would also sort of want
to wait on the contract cities simply
because they're really just sort of
establishing in um Riverside County
um I don't think they have that many
cities and I think they're also kind of
reeling because the Three Counties
coming together has never happened
before so it would
be my recommendation that we go ahead
and we we stick it out for another year
and just kind of see what happens
because I really do see some positive
things
happening do we that's a motion oh go
for my next
yeah we're going to be discussing uh the
Supreme Court decision on homelessness
and homelessness encampments uh we're
going to have a really good panel to
discuss that so I encourage all of you
to come out to that it'll be September
9th I'll be sending out the flyer early
next week thank
you anyway that's a motion to stay with
the league of cities for the next year
and uh kind of just keep an eye on the
contract cities and see how they grow
and and I'd like to see how this Tri
County thing works by the way another
piece of that is that we are position in
ourselves in terms of the tech bridge
and the reason I'm bringing up the tech
bridge is because we are the center it's
not something that can be taken from us
by an education U Consortium although
parts of it are a little bit but we are
in the center of it and I I am hoping
that we might be able to within the
Norco Corona maybe the Eastville area we
might be able to utilize League of
cities to help us strengthen the tech
Bridge nobody else has what we have have
in our city so we're not just a one
horse Town we're not just a sports
Capital we could actually be a technical
hub for the entire Riverside sanino
County so it be nice to have help to do
that thank
okay please vote
and motion passes unanimous thank you
thank you
guys uh moving back to does can we keep
going do we need a break are we all
right okay moving on to
6C um uh before you begin I'd like to
recuse myself I have a conflict of
interest do the due to the location of
my personal
property oh you going to miss all the
fun
so first have a staff report yes uh good
evening Council this agenda item 6C is
um a request for an extension of 12
month extension of time to record uh the
final map for uh tenative partial map 9
excuse me
37939 with a new expiration dat of
September 7th 2025 as the council may
recall this um map was approved in
conjunction with the mixed use
development back in September 7th 2021
the map was approved for two years and
would expire unless it's extended uh
last year uh which was the expiration
date of September 7th 2023 uh last year
the council granted um the first of six
allowed uh map extensions uh with a new
expiration date of September 7th
2024 the um request before you this
evening is to extend um that date to uh
20 September 7th
2025 uh and staff is recommending
approval uh the applicant is here and um
we can answer any questions that the
commission may have I also also point
out that Erica Vega lus attorney is also
here to um assist in answer any
questions should they come up with that
I will conclude and answer
uh any questions thank you do we have
any questions
bwin
Greg all right Robin I have none any
public
comments I have no public comment mayor
closing public comments bringing you
back
for motion comments
discussion seeing done I make a motion
to approve
please vote
GRE your supposed to CH is
it I'm pushing
it I but maybe it's telling me
different motion passes thank you
so moving on to seven I think I covered
them all right jumping back I got them
all yep all right moving on to seven
public hearings presentation for public
hearing items staff report presentation
Council questions of Staff uh open
public hearing um public hearing is to
open uh then we will close the public
hearing I will state that it's going to
close Council discussion and action so
call upon director
freed hi good evening mayor and council
members uh we're here tonight to um
recommend amendments to our purchasing
ordinances in order to meet our
regulatory
requirements uh related to our recycling
purchasing and federal requirements
through um the office of uh management
and budget uh the state requirements
basically uh requires us to uh procure
recycled product and is setting
standards and uh specifications on on um
our paper products and as well as some
organic uh products and the Office of
Management and budget uh is announcing
um changes to the uniform grants
guidance and with that um we also uh
will be uh notifying staff of those
requirements uh once this uh passes um
our our uh policy or sorry excuse me our
um our city ordinance currently doesn't
require changes for the federal
requirements because we uh have a line
just saying that we're going to comply
with those requirements but the Recycled
product we don't have that specific
language in there so we are recommended
to add that section for the Recycled
purchasing and with that if you have any
questions Council I have any questions
for
LTE
Robin LTE what state agency enforces
this policy uh this is coming from
California um State be and it's uh we
we're participating with the Cal recycle
Grant and that's part of the requirement
through that Grant um requesting the
requirements with that and our public
works department is the one
administering that Grant and then how or
when are audits for compliance
done uh since Public Works would be
required to um report on some of the
numbers on this so that I don't have the
specifics but we could uh look into that
to to see when those requirements will
be so essentially since we've applied
for the grant we have to meet the
requirements and then we
self-report I I I don't know the the
details of the grant itself but I could
look into that okay thank you
Catherine
Greg you're not going to be forced to
use single ply are you um it says 45% uh
recycled climb for toilet paper
okay I had to
S
bwin right
um public hearing is now
open I have no public comments
mayor public hearing is now
closed was that good Sophia I do it
right thank you
all right bringing back to council for
discussion
action second
retitle yep please ordinance number 1123
an ordinance of the city council of the
city of Norco amending chapter 3.24
purchasing system of the norcan
municipal code code Amendment 202
24-9 please vote
motion passes unanimous thank
you all right moving on to city council
and staff Communications anything from
City
staff uh City attorney no thank you Mr
Mayor not a thing city
manager
Berwin Greg yes
the public comments that were made today
by the the two residents regarding their
electrical
services and
their dilemma that they're in with with
the construction
um I know Alma
that you're you're aware of that
situation obviously but I like to see
Council be given a a a a report
of of what what the situation
is and maybe a
timeline thank you it's a good one I
like that
Katherine just want to thank City staff
for all of their work and the volunteers
at day of the cowboy and also at
National Night Out so thank you
Robin would just like to wish the Little
League team from East Bale best of luck
tomorrow in their game so here's my
little plug and a little props to
Eastvale for their little league team so
best wishes to them tomorrow in their
game so awesome um I just have two
things one um I'd like to agendize a
discussion about the national register
it's very possible um I don't know
what's going to happen but the lmcf has
offered to
join us in that effort and if we could I
have to bring it before
Council um if we could uh agendize that
at a future
meeting thank
you please vote
yeah there it comes motion passes
unanimous and then finally I know this
is a a much much bigger lift but I would
like to
um I would like to agendize a discussion
regarding we are in a very unique
position as a city of norin that we have
our own Waterworks and one of the things
that is coming is a need for recycled
water and I know it's very expensive and
know we can't do it overnight but what I
would like to do is at least begin the
groundwork and have discussions on how
to begin to expand recycled water not
only to our Parks but into our cities I
know it's a huge lift but I think that
given the fact that the state refuses to
create storage I think that we need to
begin to include that the other thing
I'd also like to include I really liked
uh Greg's idea in terms of the putting
out the fires where the number one fire
zone in the entire United States so I'd
like to discuss what's that water
storage system cost
calledd helah hydrant or hel pod I'd
like to discuss putting a couple of
those in if it's possible I have no idea
but then the other thing is I'd like to
have a discussion on recycled water and
utilizing it because we're about ready
to get a whole bunch of recycled water
from the in fact we're already getting
it but I think that uh I'm not talking
this isn't tomorrow this isn't next week
but if we have a plan for the next 25
years as we're putting in
infrastructure uh we're doing a lot of
Street work there's no re well maybe
there is a reason but at least we look
at as we break open streets we begin to
put in Rec recycled water lines when we
can so I'd like to agendize that to at
least have a
discussion can we have a workshop on
that would you is
that whatever I mean I'm I'm open to
that so to have a workshop on that to
talk about water and the other thing too
is AG meters I mean all these things are
trying to do with a farm to Fork farming
I think I think a workshop would be
great mayor I think we need Clarity on
the motion again we need a Clarity on
the motion okay um so I make a motion
that we have a workshop on recycled
water and beginning to do the
infrastructure for that throughout the
city of Norco and at the same time I'd
like to talk about the um the water
storage system in the case of fires um
like it or not I I have no trust in
Edison in terms of what they want to run
down our throats and in fact one of the
things that makes me frustrated about
the league of cities just so we're clear
is that that's one of the areas we don't
stick together so we're going to have to
protect ourselves in the event of a fire
I think I think Greg's Greg's idea is an
excellent one so we talk about that and
we talk about recycled water okay and
with the use for a because I've had
questions about that as well yep so
those would be the three topic using the
Recycled water for agricultural uses
within the city and how we could make
that work before the infrastructure is
put in place so a water Workshop that
covering those topics yes okay
great please vote
a motion carries thank you thank you and
with that we are adjourned