1 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:07,140 Mr. Riddick, please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Riddick. 2 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:15,980 Heavenly Father, we come to you this evening asking you to continue to bless our citizens and our residents. 3 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:29,700 We also ask, Lord, that you go to places in our country that have challenges as far as natural catastrophes are concerned, wildfires, floods, hurricanes. 4 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,520 people in Puerto Rico, the people in Australia. 5 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:39,740 We ask that you give us the ability to do this job in a fair and just manner. 6 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,880 We thank all the households who are represented here tonight. 7 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,740 We hope we can disagree without being disagreeable. 8 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,380 We ask that you give every person here traveling mercy 9 00:10:52,380 --> 00:10:54,560 that they can get back to their homes safely. 10 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,500 These and all of us asking our name, amen. 11 00:10:57,980 --> 00:10:58,300 Amen. 12 00:10:59,140 --> 00:11:05,580 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for 13 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:11,960 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 14 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:12,440 To 15 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,820 clerk, please call the roll. 16 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,040 Ms. Doyle. 17 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:30,240 Here. 18 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:31,140 Ms. Graves. 19 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Here. 20 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,020 Ms. Johnson. 21 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:32,800 Here. 22 00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:33,640 Ms. McClellan. 23 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:34,180 Here. 24 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:34,840 Mr. Riddick. 25 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:35,460 Here. 26 00:11:35,460 --> 00:11:43,400 Mr. Smeagol here. Mr. Thomas here. Dr. Alexander here the motion is to dispense with the reading of the minutes of our previous meeting 27 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:52,000 Mrs. Doyle. Hi, Mrs. Graves. Hi, Mrs. Johnson. Hi, Mrs. McClellan. Hi, Mr. Riddick. Hi, Mr. Smeagol. Hi, Mr. Thomas. Hi, Dr. 28 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Alexander. Hi, Mr. Clark, please read the resolution certifying the closed meeting 29 00:11:57,540 --> 00:12:04,620 for resolution certifying a closed meeting of the Council of the City of Norfolk in accordance with the provisions of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act about the resolution 30 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:05,440 Ms. Doyle. 31 00:12:05,660 --> 00:12:05,920 Aye. 32 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:06,720 Ms. Graves. 33 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:06,940 Aye. 34 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:07,480 Ms. Johnson. 35 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:08,060 Aye. 36 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:08,760 Ms. McClellan. 37 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:09,060 Aye. 38 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Mr. Smeagol. 39 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:10,900 Aye. 40 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:11,400 Mr. Thomas. 41 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:11,780 Aye. 42 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:12,320 Dr. Alexander. 43 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,260 Aye. 44 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,000 Good evening. 45 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:21,740 For the benefit of those who do not regularly attend our council meetings, our procedure 46 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:24,500 is to take up ceremonial items first. 47 00:12:25,180 --> 00:12:31,300 Next, we take up public hearings, then the Cassin agenda, which will be voted on in 48 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:31,580 a block. 49 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:36,940 If any member of the council or the public wishes to discuss an item, it will be removed 50 00:12:36,940 --> 00:12:39,840 from the Cassin agenda and considered separately. 51 00:12:40,740 --> 00:12:45,740 Following the Cassin agenda, we'll take up the Regulagina items in the order as they 52 00:12:45,740 --> 00:12:47,100 appear on the docket. 53 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:51,540 Upon the completion of the agenda, we'll then take up any new business that comes 54 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:52,180 up for the council. 55 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,540 To address the agenda, you should have registered to speak in the lobby of the 56 00:12:57,540 --> 00:12:59,920 council chamber before 7 p.m. 57 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:07,300 When your name is called, please come to the podium, state your name and your address, 58 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,580 and please limit your comments to three minutes. 59 00:13:16,740 --> 00:13:18,040 Mr. Clerk, IB-1. 60 00:13:18,860 --> 00:13:23,200 IB-1 is the next item of the receipt of bids pursuant to imitation of bids and notice 61 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,180 the public hearing scheduled to state pursuant to state law public notice. 62 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,940 I've been inserted into local press by the city clerk to accept bids for long-term wireless facilities franchise agreement. 63 00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:37,360 with a term of 10 years, with up to three renewal terms of five years each in the city's 64 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,180 rights of way, subject to certain terms and conditions. 65 00:13:41,140 --> 00:13:42,600 So how many bids have you received? 66 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:43,980 We've received one bid, sir. 67 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,480 Please read the bid and mark it for identification. 68 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:58,390 Mobile ID LLC has submitted the following bid. 69 00:13:59,170 --> 00:14:02,350 Please consider this correspondence a former response to the City of Norfolk's 70 00:14:02,350 --> 00:14:06,150 request for bids for a franchise for the use of city rights of way. 71 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:11,570 In close review and reference, you will find the non-exclusive wireless facilities franchise 72 00:14:11,570 --> 00:14:16,570 agreement has finalized between Mobile ID LLC and the city pursuant to discussions with 73 00:14:16,570 --> 00:14:21,550 the city staff Mobile ID LLC seeks access to rights of way to install, maintain and 74 00:14:21,550 --> 00:14:24,770 operate wireless facilities in the city. 75 00:14:25,810 --> 00:14:27,990 Are there any additional bids offered? 76 00:14:29,710 --> 00:14:32,570 If there are no additional bids offered, I declare the bidding closed. 77 00:14:32,570 --> 00:14:36,590 Is there any member of the public who wishes to be heard on this matter? 78 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,560 If there's no member of the public who wishes to be heard, I declare the public to be enclosed. 79 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:48,960 Is there a recommendation from the city staff regarding a bid received from Mobile Light LLC? 80 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:54,140 Mayor, the city staff recommends that the bid by Mobile Light LLC be reviewed by city staff 81 00:14:54,140 --> 00:14:57,980 and a recommendation be made to the council at the January 28, 2020 meeting. 82 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Is there a motion to continue this man until January 28, 2020, meeting of the city council to receive the recommendation of city staff and to consider the bid from Mobileite LLC? 83 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,460 Mr. Mayor, I so move. 84 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,100 I second the motion. 85 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Is there any further discussion? If not, Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. 86 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,900 Certainly, the motion is to continue to January 28. Mrs. Doyle. 87 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:21,220 Aye. 88 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,260 Mrs. Graves. 89 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:22,580 Aye. 90 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:23,260 Mrs. Johnson. 91 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:23,720 Aye. 92 00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:24,440 Mrs. McClellan. 93 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Aye. 94 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,380 Mr. Riddick. 95 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:26,300 Mr. Smeagol. 96 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:26,580 Aye. 97 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,040 Mr. Thomas. 98 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:27,780 Aye. 99 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:28,440 Dr. Alexander. 100 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:29,140 Aye. 101 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:29,600 Mr. Clerk. 102 00:15:30,340 --> 00:15:35,160 Motion to continue PH1 until January 28th. 103 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,340 Motions continue PH1 until January 28th. 104 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,100 Mrs. Doyle. 105 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:39,500 Aye. 106 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:40,540 Mrs. Graves. 107 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:40,900 Aye. 108 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:41,600 Mrs. Johnson. 109 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,100 Aye. 110 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:42,780 Mrs. McClellan. 111 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Aye. 112 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:43,700 Mr. Riddick. 113 00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:43,920 Aye. 114 00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:44,600 Mr. Smeagol. 115 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:44,800 Aye. 116 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:45,300 Mr. Thomas. 117 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:45,720 Aye. 118 00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:46,600 Dr. Alexander. 119 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:47,140 Aye. 120 00:15:47,140 --> 00:15:48,500 Mr. Clerk, PH2. 121 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:51,560 Public hearing two scheduled to stand at the state law. 122 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,840 Public notice haven't been inserted in the local press 123 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,260 by the city clerk on the application 124 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:57,600 of the city planning commission for a text amendment 125 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,520 to the Norfolk zoning ordinance to revise 126 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,360 and remove inconsistent definitions 127 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,960 and fixed clerical areas. 128 00:16:03,420 --> 00:16:06,240 Errors in section 3.9.6.B. 129 00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:10,040 Definitions section 3.9.7.G. 130 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:12,900 Definitions section 5.7.3. 131 00:16:13,220 --> 00:16:16,560 Definition of terms in section 8.3.2 132 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,420 terms defined. 133 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,660 Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. 134 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:24,600 I have an ordinance to amend sections 3.9, 5.7, and 8.3 of the no-folk zoning ordinance 135 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:30,580 so as to review and remove inconsistent definitions and fix clinical areas dispensed with the Charter 136 00:16:30,580 --> 00:16:34,440 requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date, Mrs. Doyle. 137 00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:34,720 Hi. 138 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:35,820 Mrs. Graves. 139 00:16:35,940 --> 00:16:36,060 Hi. 140 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:36,980 Mrs. Johnson. 141 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:37,440 Hi. 142 00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:38,200 Mrs. McClellan. 143 00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:38,500 Hi. 144 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:39,160 Mr. Riddick. 145 00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:39,340 Hi. 146 00:16:39,460 --> 00:16:40,000 Mr. Smeagol. 147 00:16:40,060 --> 00:16:40,180 Hi. 148 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:40,700 Hi, Mr. Thomas. 149 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:41,040 Hi. 150 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:41,880 Dr. Alexander. 151 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:42,600 Hi. 152 00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:43,440 PH3. 153 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,900 Public hearing three, scheduled to stay under state law. 154 00:16:46,020 --> 00:16:49,760 Public notice having been inserted in the local press by the city clerk to hear commerce 155 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:57,060 comments approving a non-exclusive telecommunications franchise agreement with Peg Bandwith, Virginia, 156 00:16:57,260 --> 00:16:57,540 LLC. 157 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,440 Please call the roll. 158 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:03,580 I have an ordinance approving a non-exclusive telecommunication franchise agreement with 159 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:07,540 Peg Bandwith, Virginia, LLC, dispensed with the Charter requirement for the ordinance 160 00:17:07,540 --> 00:17:09,300 that's twice in a dot with the effective date. 161 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,120 Mrs. Doyle. 162 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:11,500 Mrs. Graves. 163 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:11,760 Hi. 164 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,320 Mrs. Johnson. 165 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:12,840 Hi. 166 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:13,620 Mrs. McClellan. 167 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Hi. 168 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:14,620 Mr. Riddick. 169 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Hi. 170 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:15,600 Mr. Sneagall. 171 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:15,780 Hi. 172 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,360 Mr. Thomas. 173 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:16,820 Hi. 174 00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:17,520 Dr. Alexander. 175 00:17:17,940 --> 00:17:18,100 Hi. 176 00:17:18,420 --> 00:17:18,860 PH4. 177 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:20,600 Public and enforcement until this day 178 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,800 under state law public notice 179 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,360 haven't been inserted in the local press 180 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:24,140 by the city clerk. 181 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:26,980 To hear comments authorizing the vacation 182 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:29,620 of two utility easements 183 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:31,860 in the closed portion of Wittes Avenue. 184 00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:34,780 I've been ordnance authorizing the vacation 185 00:17:34,780 --> 00:17:36,080 of two utility easements 186 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,180 in the closed portion of Woodus Avenue, dispensed with the Charter of Requirement for Reading 187 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:46,420 Ordinance twice, not with the effective date, Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Graves, Mrs. Johnson, Mrs. 188 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:52,980 McClellan, Mr. Riddick, Mr. Smiggo, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander, P.H.5, public hearing five 189 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:56,120 scheduled this day under the state law public notice haven't been inserted in the local 190 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:01,960 press by the city clerk to hear commerce approving a lease agreement with S.B.A. 191 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:10,740 2012 TC assets LLC for a parcel of land at 1311 Bayville Street. I have an ordinance approving 192 00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:18,160 a lease agreement with SBA 2012 TC assets LLC for a parcel of land at 1311 Bayville Street 193 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,300 dispensed with the charter requirement for reading ordinance twice and adopt with the 194 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:28,620 effective date Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Graves, Mrs. Johnson, Mrs. McClellan, Mr. Riddick, Mr. 195 00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:29,020 Mr. Smeagol. 196 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:29,900 Mr. Thomas. 197 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:30,300 Aye. 198 00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:31,200 Dr. Alexander. 199 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:31,780 Aye. 200 00:18:31,940 --> 00:18:32,380 PH6. 201 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,280 Public hearing six, scheduled under the state law. 202 00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:39,260 Public notice having been inserted in the local press by the city clerk to hear comments 203 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:45,320 approving a lease agreement with Verizon Virginia LLC for a parcel of land at Fairlawn Elementary 204 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:51,400 School Recreation Center of an ordinance approving a lease agreement with Verizon Virginia 205 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,720 LLC for a parcel of land at Fairlawn Elementary School Recreation Center in 206 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,620 the city of Norfolk. 207 00:18:56,620 --> 00:19:02,520 Dispense with the Charter requirement for the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date. Mrs. Doyle. Hi, Mrs. Graves 208 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:10,400 Mrs. Johnson. Hi, Mrs. McClellan. Hi, Mr. Riddick. Hi, Mr. Smigel. Hi, Mr. Thomas. Hi, Dr. Alexander. Mr. Clerk 209 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,820 Motion is to continue C1 to February 25th 210 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,460 Motion continue C1 until February 25th 211 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,920 Mrs. Doyle. Hi 212 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,460 Okay. 213 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:23,920 Okay. 214 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Mrs. Graves? 215 00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:25,700 Aye. 216 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:26,900 Mrs. Johnson? 217 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,420 Aye. 218 00:19:27,620 --> 00:19:28,360 Mrs. McClellan? 219 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:28,700 Aye. 220 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:29,560 Mr. Riddick? 221 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:29,740 Aye. 222 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:30,640 Mr. Smeagol? 223 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:30,940 Aye. 224 00:19:31,220 --> 00:19:31,720 Mr. Thomas? 225 00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:32,200 Aye. 226 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:32,800 Dr. Alexander? 227 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:33,620 Aye. 228 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:42,520 Mr. Clerk, the motion is to include C2, C3, C4, C5, C7, C8, C9, C10, and C11 in the 229 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:42,660 block. 230 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,180 All except C6. 231 00:19:46,020 --> 00:19:49,160 Approve those items with the consent and agenda dispensed with a charter requirement 232 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,920 for reading the ordinances twice and adopt with the effective dates except C6. 233 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:56,380 Mrs. Doyle. 234 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:56,760 Aye. 235 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:58,660 Mrs. Graves. 236 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:58,900 Aye. 237 00:19:59,080 --> 00:19:59,600 Mrs. Johnson. 238 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:00,060 Aye. 239 00:20:00,220 --> 00:20:00,840 Mrs. McClellan. 240 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:01,220 Aye. 241 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:01,740 Mr. Riddick. 242 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:01,960 Aye. 243 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Mr. Spiegel. 244 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,100 Aye. 245 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:03,620 Mr. Thomas. 246 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:04,020 Aye. 247 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:04,700 Dr. Alexander. 248 00:20:05,220 --> 00:20:05,400 Aye. 249 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:06,340 Mr. Clark C6. 250 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:18,120 C6 is an ordinance amending the FY2020 annual appropriations ordinance number 47636 so as to accept, appropriate and authorize the expenditure of grant funds. 251 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:25,300 up to the sum of 77,467 dollars from the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services for 252 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:30,260 the Camp Hope Youth Engagement Program for Victims of Domestic Violence for the Norfolk 253 00:20:30,260 --> 00:20:30,980 Sheriff's Office. 254 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:31,980 L.S.W. James. 255 00:20:57,310 --> 00:20:58,030 Mr. Mayor, 256 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:08,520 Mr. Vice Mayor, and members of the Council, my name is L.S.W. James. 257 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,700 I reside at 2021 Ken Lake Place in the City of Norfolk. 258 00:21:15,980 --> 00:21:28,730 I wanted to call attention to this C6 item and put an exclamation mark beside it. 259 00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:43,980 This is a very important area and I'm delighted to see that the Sheriff's Office 260 00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:54,680 this is handling the program, they have an excellent record in this city of doing the 261 00:21:54,680 --> 00:22:00,020 kind of work that this item C6 represents. 262 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:11,320 The Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services for Camp Hope Youth Engagement Program 263 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:18,840 for victims of domestic violence and it's being handled of course by the Norfolk 264 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:28,000 Sheriff's Office. This is an extremely important area in my opinion and I would 265 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:37,340 hope that the council will vote solidly and unanimously in favor of 266 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:47,000 authorizing the expenditure of the funds that are involved here. 267 00:22:48,620 --> 00:22:55,780 This is a big ticket item, Mr. City Manager, in so many ways. 268 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,520 And I appreciate your patience. 269 00:23:01,140 --> 00:23:02,420 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 270 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,500 Thank you, Mr. James. 271 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:06,320 Mr. Clerk, call the roll. 272 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,800 Dispense with the charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date. This is Doyle. Hi, Mrs. 273 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:16,680 Graves. Hi, this is Johnson. Hi, this is McClellan. Hi, mr. Really? Hi, mr. 274 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,700 Smeagol. Hi, mr. Thomas. Hi, dr. 275 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:26,580 Alexander. Hi, Mr. Clerk R1. R1 is an ordinance approving the lease of certain property owned by the city of Norfolk located at 276 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:33,800 204 East Main Street to Philly D, Inc. for a period of up to five years upon certain conditions and authorizing the city manager to 277 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,880 negotiate and execute the lease agreement on behalf of the city. 278 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,760 Spence with the charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective 279 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,200 date. 280 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:43,900 Mrs. Doyle. 281 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,740 Mrs. Graves. 282 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:46,960 Aye. 283 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:47,840 Mrs. Johnson. 284 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:48,260 Aye. 285 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,240 Mrs. McClellan. 286 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:49,500 Aye. 287 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:50,560 Mr. Riddick. 288 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:50,900 Aye. 289 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:51,740 Mr. Smeagol. 290 00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:51,960 Aye. 291 00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:53,160 Mr. Thomas. 292 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,760 Abstain. 293 00:23:55,340 --> 00:23:55,940 Thank you. 294 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:56,440 Dr. Alexander. 295 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Aye. 296 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,600 Mr. Clerk, R2. 297 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,780 R2 is an ordinance to amend and reordering the city's operating budget for a fifth 298 00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:11,340 school year 2020 to add $358,184 to the budget into amend and reordain section 1 of ordinance 299 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:17,900 number 47636 and section 1 of ordinance number 47742. 300 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:22,740 So it's to appropriate and authorize the expenditure of St. Paul's area of transformation 301 00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:26,720 designated funds from the general fund balance for administration of St. Paul's area of 302 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,100 transformation. 303 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:27,440 information. 304 00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:29,860 Ellis W. James. 305 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,480 Mr. Mayor. 306 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,440 Mr. Vice Mayor. 307 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,820 Members of the council. 308 00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:57,460 My name is Ellis W. 309 00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:58,060 James. 310 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,200 I know you don't hear from me very 311 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,220 often, but I'm here to 312 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:08,030 whisper sweet nothing 313 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:09,850 in your ears. 314 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:13,090 This, 315 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:16,190 the reason I'm concerned 316 00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:18,070 about R2 is 317 00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:27,200 it involves something that the residents of the area that's going to be 318 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:42,760 impacted have legitimate concerns about. Now I am not a big fan of HUD and I 319 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,980 wanted to say that to you up front. 320 00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:52,510 The problem is that the man who now 321 00:25:52,510 --> 00:26:02,750 runs HUD for the current administration is no friend of those of us who have 322 00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:08,710 fought for years to eliminate discrimination in housing especially 323 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:13,900 where HUD is involved. 324 00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:23,410 The issue itself is extremely important and I hope 325 00:26:23,410 --> 00:26:34,530 that you will not be swayed by my concerns but if there are residents who come forward 326 00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:42,190 to speak on this issue or express their concerns during the public hearing session afterwards 327 00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:49,590 after the regular agenda that you will pay close attention to what their concerns are. 328 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:58,010 I know that some of you good people on council have had concerns and have 329 00:26:58,010 --> 00:27:05,970 expressed in the informal session your reservations and you put forward your 330 00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:06,630 questions. 331 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:18,890 St. Paul's represents an area that is about to be subjected to some 332 00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:28,090 rough and tumble when it comes to the issue of housing legitimately the 333 00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:36,130 residents who are going to be displaced and impacted. I know that is may sound 334 00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:47,870 strange to you but it is said to you from a person who happens to be the 335 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:55,290 head of Tidewater Fair Housing. I know a little bit about this battle and how 336 00:27:55,290 --> 00:28:02,150 long it's been going on and I do know what some of the pitfalls are. Thank you, 337 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:05,410 Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. James. Mr. Clerk, call the roll. 338 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:08,150 Dispense with the charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and 339 00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:13,150 adopt with the effective date. Mrs. Doyle. Hi. Mrs. Graves. I would just like to 340 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:16,570 say I want to take the opportunity to thank Susan and her staff for all 341 00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:21,950 hard work. Instead of allowing this money to go by the wayside as unused, is it on? 342 00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:26,630 Yeah, okay. Instead of allowing this money to go by the wayside as unused funds, they 343 00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:32,710 are diligent in making sure that every nickel penny and dime that is allotted for St. Paul's 344 00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:40,050 is used responsibly and is used ethically and therefore the request for the rollover of funds. 345 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:46,150 So this is operating budget money and we want to make sure we don't fall to the old adage 346 00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:50,510 of use it unnecessarily or lose it, that we roll it over, 347 00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:53,050 and that we use it and use it wisely. 348 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:56,910 So thanks to the staff, but not for someone 349 00:28:56,910 --> 00:29:00,110 who looks at this, eats, drinks, and sleeps this every day. 350 00:29:00,810 --> 00:29:04,370 Like Susan and her staff do, we may have very well overlooked 351 00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:05,830 this pot of money. 352 00:29:06,130 --> 00:29:07,370 So thank you, and I vote aye. 353 00:29:07,550 --> 00:29:07,990 Thank you. 354 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:09,030 Ms. Johnson? 355 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:09,610 Aye. 356 00:29:10,090 --> 00:29:10,770 Ms. McClellan? 357 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:11,130 Aye. 358 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:11,950 Mr. Riddick? 359 00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:12,310 Aye. 360 00:29:13,030 --> 00:29:13,830 Mr. Smeagol? 361 00:29:13,910 --> 00:29:14,050 Aye. 362 00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:14,870 Mr. Thomas. 363 00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:15,250 Hi. 364 00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:16,770 Dr. Alexander. 365 00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:17,210 Hi. 366 00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:17,770 R3. 367 00:29:18,610 --> 00:29:23,950 R3 is an ordinance accepting the bid by McKinnon Tower LSE for a long-term garage parking 368 00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:24,330 agreement. 369 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:29,270 With a term of 20 years for the lease of 81 parking spaces in commercial place garage 370 00:29:29,270 --> 00:29:35,190 located at 520 East Main Street, 118 parking spaces in the Fountain Park garage located 371 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:40,730 at 130 Bank Street, 91 spaces in the Waterside garage located at 15 Martins Lane and 372 00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:48,050 89 spaces and the bank street garage located at 441 Street in the city of Norfolk and this item was passed by December 10th 373 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:52,350 And I need a recommendation from the city manager in order to move forward 374 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:54,210 Mr. Manager 375 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:59,950 So our city staff is examined the fiscal impact of this bid and we're recommending that council reject this 376 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:08,440 And if I may, Mr. Mayor, there's been a little bit of confusion that we had two drafts of this 377 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,100 ordinance. One was in the affirmative to vote yes to accept the manager's recommendation. 378 00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:18,840 The draft that you have before you tonight is in the negative. And so to accept the manager's 379 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,460 recommendation, the vote would be no, that we're not accepting the bid. And so that 380 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:27,600 if you agree with the manager, your vote would be no tonight on this ordinance. 381 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:27,880 Thanks. 382 00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:29,100 Thank you, Mr. Pishko. 383 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,560 Thank you, Dr. Feiler. 384 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,720 Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. 385 00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:33,520 The motion is to reject the bid. 386 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,420 Mrs. Doyle? 387 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,100 No. 388 00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:36,660 Mrs. Graves? 389 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,060 A no vote is a yes vote to support the manager, or a yes vote is a no vote to support the 390 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:42,400 manager. 391 00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:43,720 I'm sorry. 392 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:46,740 The clerk read it in the affirmative. 393 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,340 The clerk read it in the affirmative, and the ordinance that I have is in the 394 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:50,700 negative. 395 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,900 So if I vote yes, is that no, or if I vote no, is that yes? 396 00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:03,160 So, Mr. Clark, strike the previous one, let's start again. 397 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,000 The motion is written in the affirmative, but the ordinance is written in the negative. 398 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,480 So what you'll be loading on is the ordinance accepting the bid, so the manager's recommendation 399 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,500 is in the negative. 400 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,000 Right. 401 00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:21,520 So to go with the manager's recommendation, it would be a no. 402 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,060 All right. 403 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,900 Sorry about the confusion. 404 00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:23,800 Thank you. 405 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,040 So I reaffirm my no vote. 406 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,060 Thank you. 407 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:27,380 All right. 408 00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:29,020 This is great. 409 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:29,720 No. 410 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,420 This is Johnson. 411 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,120 Yeah. 412 00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:33,260 This is McClelland. 413 00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:33,680 Epstein. 414 00:31:37,170 --> 00:31:38,090 Mr. Riddick. 415 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:38,470 No. 416 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,280 Mr. Smigiel. 417 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:41,500 No. 418 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:42,480 Mr. Thomas. 419 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:42,940 No. 420 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:43,780 Dr. Alexander. 421 00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:44,460 No. 422 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Is there any additional? 423 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,260 That's all I have to say. 424 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,300 We're about to start our new business. 425 00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:58,720 When your name is called, please come to the podium, state your name and your address 426 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,100 Please limit your comments to three minutes. 427 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,720 Danny Lee Gen. 428 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,440 My name is Danny Lee Gen. 429 00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:18,080 I reside at 3844 Dare Circle. 430 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:21,500 I know many of you have gathered in this chamber tonight 431 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,200 because you're concerned about your constitutional rights, 432 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,480 and you should be, and you should stand up for them. 433 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960 But I think you need to change your priorities somewhat 434 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640 because I think you're probably ill-informed 435 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,160 that in this very city, in the city of Norfolk, 436 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:45,240 There is a written ordinance that gives the mayor of this city the right to strip you 437 00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:48,540 of your First Amendment rights, your freedom of speech. 438 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:55,620 It enables him the power that if he decides not to hear what you want to say, or he feels 439 00:32:55,620 --> 00:33:02,540 that it's cumulative in presentation, it's repetitive, it has been adequately discussed, 440 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:11,520 He has the power by the city council to stop this presentation and discussion if he so desires. 441 00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:19,620 So I think that you should be aware that not only your second amendment or rights may be challenged, 442 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:26,550 but in this very city, your freedom of speech and your first amendment rights have already been denied 443 00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:32,390 Denied if the mayor of the city so desires to exercise it and it is in writing 444 00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:38,170 so you you may want to take a very good look at 445 00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:41,130 having this portion of the 446 00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:49,230 Statement removed as I have tried to do for years in order to ensure that you will have your first amendment rights 447 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:51,190 guaranteed in this city 448 00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:53,350 Thank You, Mr. Ginn 449 00:33:57,070 --> 00:34:08,810 Carl Poole, Carl Poole the second, the third, Carl Poole, maybe downstairs, okay yes sir come right 450 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:09,050 forward. 451 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:21,160 Mr. Mayor, Mr. Vice Mayor, City Council, good evening. Good evening. First thing, I'm not 452 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:26,500 going to talk about guns. Just so you know, just so you know you say. If you state your name 453 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:30,900 and your address. Well I'm just going to get that out. Okay. My address is 234 West 33rd 454 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:32,720 Street, Norfolk, Virginia, and Park Place. 455 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,560 Thank you. 456 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,880 Although this is new business, what I am going to talk about is something that should be 457 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,780 older business to you. 458 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:50,320 In August of 2017, you passed an unanimously resolution expressing the desire to relocate 459 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,380 the main street statue honoring Confederate soldiers and requesting that the Attorney 460 00:34:55,380 --> 00:35:01,180 Attorney General to expedite providing an opinion regarding the legality of relocation. 461 00:35:04,820 --> 00:35:14,460 Mr. Mayor, you said that night that it was the Council's consensus that the time had now 462 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:15,560 come to move the monument. 463 00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:25,660 Councilman Graves, you further asked to clarify about that ask of the Attorney General that 464 00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:32,680 But if it was to see if it was illegal for the city council to ask to move the monument, 465 00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:38,420 and you also stated that it would help to begin to heal this our city and continue conversations 466 00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:42,100 about our past because we cannot forget about our past. 467 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:46,520 However, in the last few months, I've been wondering whether or not you guys have forgotten 468 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,980 your real recent past. 469 00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:53,800 End of October last year, I believe the Attorney General, after some legal suits 470 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,800 had been filed, had finally given an opinion on the matter, and although I'm not a lawyer, 471 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:04,160 I've been made to understand that he said you could move the monument, that he wasn't 472 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,840 going to do anything, that his office wasn't going to do anything, and that the law that 473 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,700 you were concerned with didn't apply to the monument downtown. 474 00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:13,200 That was October. 475 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,900 November, what did you do? 476 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,600 I don't know. 477 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,860 December, what did you do? 478 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:21,260 I don't know. 479 00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:28,080 So, January, I'm here to ask just one question, and you don't have to answer me verbally because 480 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:34,940 I was raised by, with the mantra of my words don't mean anything to reflect my intentions 481 00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:36,580 more than my actions do. 482 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,080 So my question is simple. 483 00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:41,360 What are you all going to do? 484 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,020 The Attorney General said he's going to do nothing because it's legal for you to move 485 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:47,540 that monument. 486 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:53,220 And in that resolution, you did state that you expressed your desire to relocate the monument. 487 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:56,200 So what are you going to do? 488 00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:59,160 You don't have to answer that question here. 489 00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:02,960 Like everyone in Norfolk, I'll be watching your actions. 490 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,080 And your actions will tell me what your intentions are. 491 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,160 Thank you. I appreciate it. 492 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,660 Thank you. 493 00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:10,920 Robert Brown. 494 00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:24,070 To reoff the agenda already. 495 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:25,450 Thank you. 496 00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:32,290 I'm Robert Brown, I'm an 8507 Troy Street, and I'm Chairman of the Norfolk Republican 497 00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:32,650 Party. 498 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:34,690 I'm here in support of the Second Amendment. 499 00:37:35,350 --> 00:37:41,370 You've been reached out to by a number of citizens in Norfolk, asking you to put a second-minute 500 00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:42,590 resolution on the agenda. 501 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:47,110 We've heard very little from you, so I'm here to ask you, to your face, once you 502 00:37:47,110 --> 00:37:50,290 put a Second Amendment, Constitutional Amendment on the agenda. 503 00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:55,610 Our founding fathers believed that the right to keep and bear arms was fundamental to our 504 00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:00,910 very freedom as a people and Virginia is the birthplace of freedom in our country and I 505 00:38:00,910 --> 00:38:03,890 will not sit idly by and watch those freedoms be diminished. 506 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:10,030 The second amendment is not about honey, it's not about target practice, it is a political 507 00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:10,390 right. 508 00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:15,550 History makes it clear it was necessary to write it into our constitution. 509 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:18,070 They want a protection for a good reason. 510 00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:23,230 When the British made their first attempt to squash liberty and failed, it was because 511 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:24,290 the colonists were armed. 512 00:38:24,970 --> 00:38:27,930 Because our founding farmers were armed, we gained independence. 513 00:38:28,830 --> 00:38:33,530 That's why the second minute was added to our constitution so that we would remain free. 514 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:37,610 We the people believe our rights come from our Creator. 515 00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:48,050 We hold these truths to be self-evident that we are all created equal and we are 516 00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:49,450 and the pursuit of happiness. 517 00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:54,530 This is what American exceptionalism is all about. 518 00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:58,970 That's why the Constitution begins with we the people, 519 00:38:59,570 --> 00:39:03,990 not we the elected, not we the elite, but we the people. 520 00:39:04,570 --> 00:39:07,050 Our rights come from a creator and not from government. 521 00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:10,390 The Constitution said that our rights are on an ill-billed. 522 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:12,990 The Bill of Rights does not say the Constitution 523 00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:14,710 gives you the right to bear arms. 524 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:18,710 It says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. 525 00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:25,390 The founding fathers believed that the right to bear arms comes from our creator and not 526 00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:25,810 our government. 527 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:30,130 Our founding fathers knew that if they didn't have the right to bear arms, they would have 528 00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:30,550 been crushed. 529 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:36,190 The right to bear arms is a political right designed to safeguard freedom so that no 530 00:39:36,190 --> 00:39:37,670 government can take away these rights. 531 00:39:38,290 --> 00:39:42,330 That God is willing to give you those written by the people who spent their lives fighting 532 00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:45,130 the greatest power in the world at the time, the British Empire. 533 00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:49,710 They gave their fortunes, their sacred honor, and their lives to found this 534 00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:53,010 county and preserve that freedom. They knew if they didn't have the right to 535 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:56,990 bear arms, they would have been enslaved. They didn't want us to be enslaved either 536 00:39:56,990 --> 00:40:00,770 and that's why they guarantee us the right to protect ourselves. The Second 537 00:40:00,770 --> 00:40:04,670 Amendment is a political right of the deepest importance of the societal of 538 00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:08,610 the freedom in America. Control of our legislators was bought by outside 539 00:40:08,610 --> 00:40:12,650 entities with millions of dollars to buy control of the Commonwealth. We 540 00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:18,030 to solve most expensive statewide races in Virginia history. Mayor Bloomberg spent over 541 00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:23,790 two and a half million. Globis, George Soros spent millions. We want Virginians deciding 542 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:29,170 our political future, not outsiders. What we are seeing in Virginia is a phenomenal grassroots 543 00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:31,250 effort to hold a line on the Second Amendment. 544 00:40:31,330 --> 00:40:32,430 Mr. Brown, thank you so much for coming. 545 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:37,070 Not the grassroots that brought control, but a real organic grassroots like Dutthings 546 00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:38,230 Everything. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 547 00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:39,130 Thank you, Mr. Brown. 548 00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:40,230 Victoria 549 00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:51,810 Hainline. Victoria, yes. 550 00:40:56,730 --> 00:41:01,170 Good evening. My name is Victoria Hainline and my address 551 00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:04,790 is 323 West 34th Street in Norfolk. 552 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:13,680 According to the annual crime data, the crime rate in 553 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:20,920 Norfolk is 111 percent higher than the average of the whole state of Virginia. And when compared 554 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:27,960 with the national average is 52% higher. When looking at violent crimes, Norfolk has a 132% 555 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:35,160 higher violent crime rate than the Virginia average, while remaining 22% higher than the 556 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,520 national average. In property crime, Norfolk, Virginia is 108% higher than the average of 557 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:48,660 Virginia and is 57% higher than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there 558 00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:52,440 There are 10.76 daily crimes that occur in Norfolk. 559 00:41:53,540 --> 00:41:58,120 Norfolk is only safer than 13 percent of the cities in the United States. 560 00:41:58,260 --> 00:42:02,660 That means that 87 percent of the cities in the United States are safer than the city 561 00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:03,140 of Norfolk. 562 00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:08,800 In Norfolk, you have a one in 26 chance of becoming a victim of any crime. 563 00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:15,400 In Norfolk, Virginia, you have a one in 216 chance of falling victim to a violent 564 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:22,380 crimes such as rape, robbery, assault, or even murder. In terms of property crime, your chances 565 00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:28,780 of being a victim are 1 in 29. These crimes include theft, vehicle theft, and burglary. 566 00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:34,240 Your overall chance of being a victim of crime in Norfolk is 1 in 26, as I stated a minute 567 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:39,560 ago. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not saying that to you to disparage the city of Norfolk, 568 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:45,400 to disrespect the city of Norfolk. I have lived in Norfolk for 24 years. I could 569 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,320 have moved out of the city of Norfolk at any time. I have moved once within the 570 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:56,020 city of Norfolk. I actually moved from Granby Street, 6700 block of Granby 571 00:42:56,020 --> 00:43:01,280 Street, 15 years ago to Park Place and I know all of you know about Park Place. 572 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:08,000 When I moved into Park Place I heard gunfire in my neighborhood and what 573 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,960 That sounded very close, although it's difficult to think about how far away gunfire is. 574 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,300 But I heard gunfire, I would say, probably on a weekly basis, that was back in 2004. 575 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,300 We actually had two cars drive the wrong direction down 34th Street, the second car shooting 576 00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,940 out of the window with a sawed-off shotgun, and the police were out in front of my house 577 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:31,500 the next day picking up casings off the street. 578 00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:37,000 There are people who would think that that should make me very strongly against guns, 579 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,720 against so-called assault weapons. 580 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:47,800 But I'm a patriot first, an American citizen first before a Norfolk citizen, but I do 581 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,700 love my city. 582 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,500 But I'm concerned about the crime rate in Norfolk. 583 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,320 I recently put the neighbor's app on my phone, and you get notifications. 584 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,620 So I just wanted to say that we have the right to protect ourselves, and I ask you to support 585 00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:08,180 a Second Amendment resolution and a hearing so that we can come back and speak and vote 586 00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:08,520 on that. 587 00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,360 Thank you so much. 588 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,520 James Leterno? 589 00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:30,690 My name is Jim Leterno. 590 00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:34,570 I live at 137 West Ocean Avenue in Norfolk. 591 00:44:36,490 --> 00:44:40,550 Distinguished council, thank you for taking our time to listen to our voices. 592 00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:43,370 I had a speech lined up. 593 00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:48,710 I was going to quote some Constitution at you guys, you already know it. 594 00:44:49,530 --> 00:44:54,570 I'm sure every one of you have read the Constitution and understand how it works. 595 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,800 I was going to make some quotes on some famous 596 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,300 Historical people. But I don't think I need to do that. This lady just presented exactly 597 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:15,020 one of our main immediate reasons why we need to be armed, especially in this area. I didn't 598 00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:21,840 own guns. I didn't own handguns for many, many, many years. I stopped using a gun when I could 599 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,300 afford to put meat on my table. It was primarily used for honey. I gave it up for many years. 600 00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:32,840 about two years ago a young man was murdered there, two houses down from my 601 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,880 house. A week later I went out and bought a shotgun because I thought I needed to 602 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,180 defend my family. And that's all irrelevant because that's not what the 603 00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:46,560 Constitution is is there for and that's not what the Second Amendment is 604 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:46,960 there for. 605 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:56,000 You guys know this. The big problem I have right now is I made 606 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:03,140 phone calls and sent emails to this council two weeks ago. I received one 607 00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:11,920 response and in that response the council member assured me that in the event 608 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:19,080 unconstitutional laws were passed down from Richmond that this council would 609 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,800 direct the city's attorneys to fight those unconstitutional laws. 610 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,200 I respect that. 611 00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:33,280 In my opinion, that's not good enough. 612 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,780 In my opinion, we should not be here tonight having this conversation. 613 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,720 Another gentleman has come forward and was obviously displeased with the council's 614 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:54,980 inaction on another matter. And in my position, this is another issue that there's been an 615 00:46:54,980 --> 00:47:04,840 inaction taken, you as members of the council should have already drafted up a resolution 616 00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:14,680 and absolutely, unequivocally told Richmond that we will not comply with unconstitutional laws 617 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,940 and Mr. Smeagol, you're an attorney, correct? 618 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:21,320 I'm sorry, there is an attorney here. 619 00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:22,740 I'm sorry, Mr. Thomas. 620 00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:30,310 You should know that a law that is unconstitutional, 621 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:33,790 you have no moral or legal responsibility 622 00:47:33,790 --> 00:47:34,990 to follow those laws. 623 00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:38,390 And you have every responsibility to resist those. 624 00:47:38,570 --> 00:47:39,650 Thank you so much for coming. 625 00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:40,130 You're welcome. 626 00:47:40,330 --> 00:47:41,030 Thank you for your time. 627 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:43,490 Ben Leola, Ben 628 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,400 Leola, followed 629 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:54,870 by James Quell. 630 00:48:03,150 --> 00:48:04,690 Mayor, good evening, City Council. 631 00:48:05,110 --> 00:48:06,550 Thank you for the opportunity to speak here tonight. 632 00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:11,470 My name is Ben Loyola, 3261, Wilderness Lane, Virginia Beach, Virginia. 633 00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:15,990 Got blessed the ability to be able to assemble here and speak and share our concerns. 634 00:48:16,570 --> 00:48:22,490 I ask you to support a Second Amendment constitution to support our ability to write to self-defense. 635 00:48:23,130 --> 00:48:27,310 I want to share my humble beginnings because it's first-person experience of what happens 636 00:48:27,310 --> 00:48:31,130 when a country can be taken over by the disarmingist people. 637 00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:39,070 I was born in Havana, Cuba and Fidel Castro promised the masses prosperity and opportunity and how he took over a country was first 638 00:48:39,070 --> 00:48:42,150 to disarm the people and after he disarmed those people 639 00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:46,860 he summarily arrested many of them and killed tens of thousands of them and 640 00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:52,590 That has been repeated throughout history too many times and that's my history. I live that 641 00:48:52,590 --> 00:49:00,270 Second amendment is there for a reason. It's it's a reason that God given inalienable rights to defend ourselves from tyranny 642 00:49:00,830 --> 00:49:02,070 Individual tyranny, yes. 643 00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:06,190 From an individual that might want to hurt us, but also government tyranny. 644 00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:09,710 The founding fathers here in Virginia wrote it in the Constitution, 645 00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:12,630 a Constitution oath that I took numerous times, 646 00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:15,770 and that same authors have brought it into the American Constitution. 647 00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:18,330 We've taken the oath. You've taken the oath. 648 00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:20,950 I served in the military. I went to Naval Academy. 649 00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:23,590 I served 30 years as a combat naval aviator. 650 00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:24,870 I retired as naval captain. 651 00:49:25,350 --> 00:49:27,430 Throughout my career, I took that oath to defend the Constitution 652 00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:29,010 against all enemies born in domestic. 653 00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:32,530 The same constitution that you took us to follow as well. 654 00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:38,410 It's unbelievable that we're here even questioning that fundamental God-given right, that inalienable right. 655 00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:42,390 So I asked you to support the support of the Second Amendment. 656 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:45,730 It's God-given. It's a human right. 657 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:47,310 It's embodied our constitution. 658 00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:50,810 And we are here today because of that ability. 659 00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:57,230 I mean, King George III sent his redcoats died here in Virginia to disarm the colonists 660 00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:58,670 because they don't like what they were doing. 661 00:49:59,090 --> 00:50:00,110 And he took their guns away. 662 00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:03,790 And that is in American history. 663 00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:05,590 It's in my history that I was born 664 00:50:05,590 --> 00:50:07,230 because of we fled Communist Cuba. 665 00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:09,890 So I can't say enough of the importance of that. 666 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:14,410 It's sad that it's not supported here in Norfolk, 667 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,050 like all the other municipalities across Virginia 668 00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:19,390 where tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people 669 00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:20,090 have supported that. 670 00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:22,510 It's a clear message to what's going on 671 00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:24,750 where a governor wants to take our rights away 672 00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:28,210 and basically make felons of individuals that want to defend themselves. 673 00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:34,050 We want to run our lands, run our businesses, take care of our family, just live the American dream like I am. 674 00:50:34,450 --> 00:50:38,490 And we have to have the ability to defend ourselves and defend ourselves against tyranny, 675 00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:41,570 like the founding fathers, like our constitutional rights gives us that. 676 00:50:42,070 --> 00:50:45,330 God bless you, God bless America, and God bless the Commonwealth of Virginia. 677 00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:46,610 Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 678 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,840 James Quill, fathered by Cameron Carson. 679 00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:05,930 Hello, my name is James Quayle. I live on 9329 Mason Creek Road. Mr. Mayor, members of 680 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:10,130 the council, I've never been accused of a crime or ever convicted of a crime. I've been 681 00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:16,630 a service member in the Army since 2014. I've been overseas multiple times. And with the 682 00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:20,770 laws that are being proposed by Richmond, I would be instantly made a felon not only 683 00:51:20,770 --> 00:51:26,150 by the firearms I own, but by maintaining possession of the weapon magazines that 684 00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:30,170 the government's issued me. I'm concerned for myself because if I'm pulled over for 685 00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:34,970 whatever reason and a police officer under the new laws are being proposed sees the stuff 686 00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:39,710 the government's issued me, I could be arrested until I get someone from my unit down to validate 687 00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:45,390 that they were signed over to me. My unit does not get enough funding to train for 688 00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:50,530 firearms regularly, so I own an AR-15 so that I can maintain my own proficiency for 689 00:51:50,530 --> 00:51:55,090 when I go overseas on my own time and my own money. If the new laws are passed, 690 00:51:55,090 --> 00:51:57,970 I'll be made a felon for possessing that weapon. 691 00:51:58,830 --> 00:52:05,610 I do not believe that someone being afraid of a scary rifle that I may own trumps my 692 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:10,050 right to have it, just as I believe that if someone does something I disagree with, they 693 00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:10,830 have a right to do it. 694 00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:13,890 I don't have a right to take that ability from the do that away from them. 695 00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:17,870 I feel like that's the American way, and that's the only fair way to go about this. 696 00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:20,770 I thank you for letting me speak, and thanks for your time. 697 00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:21,450 Thank you. 698 00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:30,090 Cameron Carson, followed by Kim Shroutz. 699 00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:37,490 Good evening, honorable mayor, city council members. 700 00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:38,510 This is Doyle. 701 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:39,130 It's good to see you again. 702 00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:40,350 My name is Cameron Carlson. 703 00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:42,490 Actually, as of yesterday, Dr. Cameron Carlson. 704 00:52:42,830 --> 00:52:43,210 Congratulations. 705 00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:44,150 Thank you. 706 00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:44,630 Thank you. 707 00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:50,910 I live at 1611 La Salle Avenue in Norfolk, Virginia, in accordance with the rules of 708 00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:52,230 the decorum of the city council chambers. 709 00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:56,030 All members and residents in support of a 2-Alpha resolution, please rise. 710 00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:03,370 Thank you all. 711 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:03,910 Please be seated. 712 00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:04,930 Again, 713 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,840 my name is Dr. Cameron Carlson. I'm a proud but frustrated resident of the city 714 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,600 of Norfolk. Honorable Mayor Alexander and council members, 715 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,900 Virginians have a long and proud history of protecting the citizenry of this state. 716 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,520 In the American Revolution, Virginians fought and died at Trenton, Monmouth Courthouse, 717 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,080 Germantown and many other battlefields whose names are inexorably linked to our country's 718 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,320 proud heritage. At first bull run, General Bernard B. in an effort to rally his exhausted 719 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,940 troops was reported to have said, look, men, there stands Jackson like a stone wall. Let 720 00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:45,440 us be determined to die here today and we shall be victorious. Rally behind the Virginians. 721 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:51,800 Thank God they are here. Virginians here tonight have that same spirit as our ancestors. 722 00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:56,280 We have previously asked you to support a Second Amendment constitutional city resolution. 723 00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:00,740 We have asked and we ask again for your help to fight the unconstitutional actions 724 00:54:00,740 --> 00:54:02,600 of our representatives in Richmond. 725 00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:04,560 Once more, we seek your help. 726 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,360 I call on the city council to draft the resolution 727 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,540 dedicating Norfolk as a second amendment 728 00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:11,780 constitutional city. 729 00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:14,660 To lose this constitutional right is to open the door 730 00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:16,680 to further degradations of our other rights. 731 00:54:17,340 --> 00:54:19,560 You and the citizens of Virginia and Norfolk 732 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,360 have a duty to protect our rights. 733 00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:22,920 We beg you to do this tonight. 734 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,260 Not everyone owns a firearm, carries a firearm 735 00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:27,760 or even wants to be around a firearm. 736 00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:29,100 And that is their right. 737 00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:33,300 Others, like those before you tonight, are advocates of responsible firearm ownership, 738 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,580 and that is our right. 739 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,420 We ask you to respect and honor everyone's right tonight. 740 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,000 Billions of firearms already exist in our country. 741 00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:43,860 Individuals with evil and illegal motives will obtain firearms. 742 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,480 We can't stop them by legislation. 743 00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,140 How do we stop them? 744 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,060 I don't know. 745 00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:52,240 But the present attack on the Second Amendment rights of all citizens, honorable or otherwise, 746 00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:53,340 is not the answer. 747 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:56,040 I remind you of one of the most recent church shootings. 748 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,540 had it not been for an armed parishioner, many people could have died. 749 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,780 To paraphrase William Douglas, the amendments to our constitution, all of them, including 750 00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:08,580 the Second Amendment, makes confidence in the common sense of our people and in maturity 751 00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:11,300 of their judgment, the great postulate of our democracy. 752 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,460 In closing, if you feel how we feel, if you see the injustice being perpetrated 753 00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:22,900 all around us, I ask you to become champions for our city and fight for the people 754 00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:28,040 People in this room, downstairs and around the country, because these people will do the 755 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,700 same for you. 756 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:35,220 We ask the city council, beg the city council to please draft and pass a resolution to declare 757 00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:37,180 Norfolk a Second Amendment Sanctuary City. 758 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:37,940 Thank you. 759 00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:38,480 Thank you. 760 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,740 Kim Shroutz, followed by Eric Hoveck. 761 00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:52,200 Hi, I'm Kim Shorts. 762 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:53,080 Shorts, okay. 763 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,760 Good evening, Mayor Alexander and the city council members. 764 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,520 I'm very nervous. 765 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:03,380 I'm Kim Schwartz, I was at 227 Sir Oliver Road, Norfolk and the Cromwell Farms area. 766 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,980 I'm third generation owner of my home. 767 00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:08,820 My father was raised there. 768 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:15,240 Through the years I've seen many accomplishments in this city and I come to you out of concern 769 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,200 this evening for my rights as a Virginian. 770 00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:23,480 You may recall the horrible rain event that took place in 2009 I'm sure. 771 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,640 My husband was working to help those trapped in the rising water in the Tidewater Drive underpass. 772 00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:36,200 While he was there, he was beaten and left for dead on the street to die. 773 00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:41,140 It chokes me up to talk about it. 774 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:47,000 The result of this attack left him with PTSD, as you can imagine. 775 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:52,760 And as a result, my husband never leaves our home without his firearm. 776 00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:06,740 He's an avid hunter. He's taught my three children how to respect the respect of a firearm as well as handling firearms, and he takes them hunting as well. 777 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,880 My concern over the proposed legislation is it doesn't seem to have been thoroughly thought out. 778 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:21,300 The fact is our governor has proven to be less than honest and will do and say anything to make amends to those he has harmed. 779 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:28,800 Those amends and his restitution should not come at my expense or these people's expense. 780 00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:38,620 He is removing the citizens' rights to protect us from the very people, such as unvetted refugees coming into our communities, 781 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:45,100 as well as unleashing criminals back out onto the streets. 782 00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:49,860 Our legislature continues to talk out of both sides of their mouth. 783 00:57:50,400 --> 00:58:02,900 They tell me my children aren't allowed to bathe or smoke or drink until they're 21, yet they're able to go and get birth control or an abortion at the age of 15. 784 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,960 My son can go to war at the age of 18, and he can die for his country. 785 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,140 But when he comes back to Virginia, he's not going to be allowed to handle a gun until he's 21. 786 00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:25,520 I'm sorry, the truth is, I just feel like the truth is nobody wants to address the real 787 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,320 mental health issues going on in this country. 788 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,760 They want to take care of the low-hanging fruit, which is the gun. 789 00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:40,140 It's easy to go in and take a gun from somebody, even though we are rifle law-abiding citizens 790 00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:40,940 every day. 791 00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:44,940 My gun does not jump out of a closet and assault anyone. 792 00:58:45,740 --> 00:58:51,800 I'm sorry, and I urge the council to please protect my rights, protect my husband's right 793 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,520 to defend himself and my children. 794 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,560 Thank you. 795 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,220 Thank you. 796 00:59:01,220 --> 00:59:04,260 Here's a call-up by Robert Allen. 797 00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:08,180 Before my three-minute start, I got a question. 798 00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:10,420 This is my third time here. 799 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:11,960 I came November. 800 00:59:12,460 --> 00:59:13,340 I came December. 801 00:59:13,940 --> 00:59:19,440 November, I asked the same thing, and then when I came back in December, I was told, hey, 802 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,780 here's the process. 803 00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:26,560 So I followed the process, I crafted an email, I sent it to you, Mr. Smeagol, you, Mrs. McClellan, 804 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,620 you, Mayor Alexander, and you, Mr. Bull. 805 00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:31,120 So this is really inefficient. 806 00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:33,020 Give me your address, and... 807 00:59:33,020 --> 00:59:39,400 My name's Eric Hovick, HOV is in Victor I.K., my address is 169 West Ocean Avenue. 808 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,400 So if I correspond with you again in the future, I expect to be acknowledged. 809 00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:47,300 I don't work for you. 810 00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:55,020 Alright, so this is my third time here. 811 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,740 The last time I was here I spoke with you and I wrote a written resolution. 812 01:00:00,980 --> 01:00:05,320 Requesting that you make Norfolk a sanctuary city, so it's already, the work's been done 813 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:10,120 for you. I'm just asking that you vote on it. The legislation be proposed by the 814 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,940 governor and the assembly is unconstitutional, so there's no obligation 815 01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:21,000 to follow those laws. The government's conduct, the governor's conduct and the 816 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,160 assembly's conduct in this legislation basically violates my 817 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,800 First Amendment rights, my Second Amendment rights, and my Fourth Amendment rights. 818 01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:32,940 By doing that, their conduct is criminal. 819 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,580 I urge you to read Section 242 of U.S. Code Title 18. 820 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:45,440 It states, Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for any person acting under color 821 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,760 of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the 822 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,500 Constitution or laws of the United States. 823 01:00:53,500 --> 01:01:01,320 For the purpose of Section 242, acts under color of law include acts only done, not only 824 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,760 done by federal, state, or local officials within their lawful authority, but also acts 825 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,540 done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority. 826 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,360 If the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in 827 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,600 the performance of his or her official duties, persons acting under color of law within 828 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,240 in the meaning of this statute include police officers, 829 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,400 prisons, guards, and other law enforcement officials, 830 01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:31,380 as well as judges, care providers in public health 831 01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:35,560 facilities, and any others who are acting as public officials. 832 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,620 It is not necessary that the crime 833 01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:40,920 be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, 834 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,020 sex, handicap, familial status, 835 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,980 or national origin of the victim. 836 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,740 The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment 837 01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:54,380 up to a life term or the death penalty depending upon the circumstances of the crime and the 838 01:01:54,380 --> 01:02:01,260 resulting injury, if any. If gun confiscations are to take place in the city where you come 839 01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:06,360 to an otherwise law-abiding person's home and attempt to disarm them, people are going 840 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:12,560 to get hurt. And it is going to be on this council and on the governor and on the Virginia 841 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:20,640 the assembly. Thank you so much. Robert, what do I have to do? What have I not done? I understand. 842 01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:24,920 Your time has expired, sir. I get that, but I've been ignored. I want to know what I have 843 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,620 to do to get you to vote on this, Mr. Mayor. What email do I have to send? What memo do 844 01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:35,580 I have to write? What do I have to do for you to take action, Mr. Mayor? Thank you 845 01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:36,100 for coming, sir. 846 01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:45,000 Robert Allen, followed by Rich Williams. 847 01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:50,490 Robert Allen, 848 01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:57,350 okay. All right, 849 01:02:57,570 --> 01:03:01,990 so, um, Williams, Rich Williams. Rich Williams. Come on here, come on here. 850 01:03:04,310 --> 01:03:06,130 Followed by Terry 851 01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:07,170 Secretary Sancher? 852 01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:08,450 Secretary. 853 01:03:08,650 --> 01:03:09,010 Sancher. 854 01:03:09,170 --> 01:03:09,450 You followed? 855 01:03:09,810 --> 01:03:09,970 Rich. 856 01:03:11,490 --> 01:03:17,510 Uh, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, uh, thank you for being here tonight and for 857 01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:18,750 having us this meeting. 858 01:03:18,930 --> 01:03:24,010 It's an exercise in democracy and people know it better than you ask for their government. 859 01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:25,350 My name is Rick Williams. 860 01:03:25,570 --> 01:03:28,150 I live at 1-6-1-2, God-I-N-Grile. 861 01:03:29,850 --> 01:03:40,010 I want to urge City Council to adopt a resolution that would make Norfolk a 862 01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:44,830 sanctuary city in defense of our Constitutional Second Amendment rights. 863 01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:57,370 It is my thought that standing in such a manner with other localities that have 864 01:03:57,370 --> 01:04:06,430 defend our rights and to make clear to legislators that it is not worth the time 865 01:04:06,430 --> 01:04:13,710 and effort to assure those legislations that in fact are unconstitutional and 866 01:04:13,710 --> 01:04:14,530 will not work. 867 01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:22,450 By by defending the second amendment we do in fact enhance 868 01:04:22,450 --> 01:04:31,670 public safety. When we defend the rights of one, we defend the rights of all, and we put 869 01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:38,330 the owner where it needs to be, which is crafting laws that aptly, honestly, enhance public 870 01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:45,430 safety by keeping criminals off the street and addressing problems without threatening 871 01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:49,170 and undermining the rights of law-abiding citizens. 872 01:04:50,090 --> 01:04:58,990 One example of what I consider to be a threat to our second constitution amendment is the 873 01:04:58,990 --> 01:05:07,870 so-called red flag laws which would presumably address the issue of people who have mental 874 01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:12,970 issues having their fire taken away until those issues are advocated. 875 01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:21,190 Well, the fact of the matter is, the way those modern legislation is written, what would 876 01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:29,950 happen is those complaints can be fired against an individual without any co-operating evidence. 877 01:05:31,450 --> 01:05:37,430 The individual making the complaint doesn't have to be unrecorded to their name. 878 01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:43,610 That flies in the face of being able to confront your accuser. 879 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:54,310 It puts the onus on somebody who is accused, who had the fire in Catholic Stadium, as it 880 01:05:54,310 --> 01:05:54,470 were. 881 01:05:55,450 --> 01:05:59,270 It puts the onus on them to prove they're not a problem. 882 01:06:00,370 --> 01:06:04,430 It says, you're guilty until you prove you're innocent. 883 01:06:04,430 --> 01:06:12,210 That stands our basic premise of American Jew Apprentice on its head. 884 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:16,230 We say you're innocent until proven guilty. 885 01:06:16,790 --> 01:06:17,950 Thank you so much, sir. 886 01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:19,210 Thank you. 887 01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:19,550 Terry 888 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,400 is followed by John Appomethy. 889 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:29,100 Hello. 890 01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:31,240 My name is Terry Allen Santuri. 891 01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:36,600 I live at 6389 Parker Street, Novel. 892 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:46,320 And I, is this man behind me, spoke of deprivation of rights under color of law? 893 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,260 That was what I wanted to talk about. 894 01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:57,220 Hey, the governor is saying this stuff is all constitutional what he's proposing. 895 01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,580 And that's not true. 896 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,620 It hasn't been to the Supreme Court yet. 897 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:23,160 And if someone is God forbid killed in a red flag incident, the law you enforce today is maybe the law that is overturned later on. 898 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,560 And I don't think that's a shit sandwich. I don't think we want to take a bite off. 899 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,840 and it could get you prosecuted later. 900 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,900 I don't think anybody would get locked up over it 901 01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:36,000 or put to death about it, 902 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,020 but I could see somebody losing everything they got 903 01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,620 and everything they're ever gonna get. 904 01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:45,500 And I don't think we wanna go there 905 01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,640 so I recommend you adopt a resolution 906 01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:52,480 to not use any city resources to enforce this kind of 907 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:52,840 stuff. 908 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,220 And as far as the universal background checks go, 909 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:05,880 Hey, one time I was in favor of them, you know, but the lowest learner in the IRS scandal 910 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:12,440 showed me that the government has a tendency to collect information for one reason and abuse 911 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,340 it for another one. 912 01:08:13,460 --> 01:08:20,680 That's why I don't believe in the UBCs or the registration of the rifles or anything 913 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:26,300 like that because I don't want it to be an electronic star of David that's going 914 01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:32,700 used to stigmatize people, keep them off juries, target them for audits, use it to 915 01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:38,480 deny, delay services and benefits. People don't need that. As far as the safety 916 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:46,440 issues go, I'll tell you what, if the revolution, if the Nazi Germany, Miles 917 01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:56,280 China, that's too long ago, we got Venezuela today. Chavez took over, the 918 01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:01,640 One of the first things he did was registration and one of the second things he did was confiscation 919 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:06,940 of privately owned arms and then he's proceeded to run that country into the dirt. 920 01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:14,580 And I don't think we want to go there either. And as far as safety goes, prison isn't safe 921 01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:21,620 and they don't have guns there. And to quote Thomas Jefferson, I prefer dangerous freedom 922 01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:25,100 rather than safe slavery. Thank you very much. 923 01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:33,290 John's followed by Diane Sexton. 924 01:09:33,810 --> 01:09:34,830 Good evening. Thank you, Mayor. 925 01:09:35,230 --> 01:09:36,750 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is John Abernathy. 926 01:09:36,910 --> 01:09:39,110 I live at 448 Cummings Road, Virginia Beach. 927 01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:42,410 I've been at nine of these meetings. 928 01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:44,310 This is some serious stuff. 929 01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:48,130 And everything everybody has said here is so factually true, 930 01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:51,290 that all you need to be worried about is two things 931 01:09:51,290 --> 01:09:52,930 or be concerned about is two things. 932 01:09:53,850 --> 01:09:58,110 What are you going to do come August 1st if all these laws pass as written? 933 01:09:59,050 --> 01:09:59,970 Are you concealed carry? 934 01:10:00,590 --> 01:10:05,830 Your family is going to be in danger because the criminals are still going to have guns and you're not. 935 01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:11,330 All this is doing and the lawyer can tell us it's not law-abiding. 936 01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:12,610 It's common sense. 937 01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:15,570 No such thing as common sense safety gun laws. 938 01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:16,490 That's a load. 939 01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:20,950 It's the people right here that want you to stand up with them 940 01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:30,030 and tell that tyrannical blackface liar in Richmond that you stand for us, that you are 941 01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:35,750 here to back the people here. And I see a couple of smug faces up there on the tax dollar. 942 01:10:36,030 --> 01:10:44,030 You work for us. And we just ask you to stand with us. We just ask you to not agree that 943 01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:48,810 these laws are good, bad, or whatever. I don't care if you're a Democrat, Democrat, 944 01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:53,770 independent, Republican, whatever, all we're asking to do, all we're asking for you to 945 01:10:53,770 --> 01:11:00,810 do is stand with us, put it on the agenda, let it get voted on, and you put it on the 946 01:11:00,810 --> 01:11:05,590 agenda and I'll bet a paycheck, you have three times as many people at the next meeting 947 01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:07,170 to make sure that you vote on it. 948 01:11:07,690 --> 01:11:12,650 And if you don't vote on it, there's a little checkmark by your name, sharpen your pencils, 949 01:11:13,210 --> 01:11:17,210 clear out your desk, write your resume, because you will be voted out of office. 950 01:11:17,210 --> 01:11:20,750 The people want to hear that you are with them and for them. 951 01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:21,630 That's all. 952 01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:22,050 Thank you. 953 01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:22,530 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 954 01:11:22,710 --> 01:11:23,390 Thank you. 955 01:11:29,220 --> 01:11:31,960 Diane Sexton followed by Robert Allen. 956 01:11:32,380 --> 01:11:32,740 Yes, sir. 957 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:33,760 Hi. 958 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:34,980 My name is Diane Sexton. 959 01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:37,180 I live at 7020 Gale Drive in Norfolk. 960 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,620 I'd like to thank you guys for doing the job that you do for us first. 961 01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:43,980 I am from a long line of a military family. 962 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,180 My father was a World War II veteran. 963 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,440 He was a mighty man of God and served the United States of America in the military 964 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:57,980 for 40 years. His brother also was a World War II veteran. I'm a Marine Corps widow. I 965 01:11:57,980 --> 01:12:02,920 have two children, Timmy and Cory, that I have raised since my husband was killed 21 966 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:09,820 years ago. Two out of the three military members in my family and household died serving 967 01:12:09,820 --> 01:12:16,060 this country because they believed in the God whose government has the shoulders of 968 01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:20,240 this whole, the whole government is upon his shoulders. They believed it. They believed 969 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,760 We did so much that they died for it. 970 01:12:23,380 --> 01:12:24,240 They died for it. 971 01:12:24,620 --> 01:12:25,540 I'm without an uncle. 972 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:26,380 I'm without a husband. 973 01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:35,080 And for the city of Norfolk and each one of you not to consider to uphold and make Norfolk 974 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:43,660 a sanctuary city is a slap in my face because I have family members that die defending 975 01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:44,680 this Constitution. 976 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:50,340 You sit where you sit because of my father, because of my uncle, and because of my husband. 977 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,660 Please honor their memory. 978 01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,260 And thank you for the job you do for the city in Norfolk. 979 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,620 You have a tough job. 980 01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,100 I wouldn't want it, but thank you so much, and we will pray for you. 981 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,020 God bless you guys. 982 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:01,660 Thank you. 983 01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:08,140 Robert Allen, 984 01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:12,560 followed by Matthew Adams. 985 01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:16,450 Good evening. 986 01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:17,270 Good evening. 987 01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:20,290 Born in Norfolk, Raising Hampton Roads, 48 years. 988 01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:26,030 U.S. Army veteran, son, nephew, uncle, brother of Virginia's police officers. 989 01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:32,370 We are – lawful gun owners are force multipliers of the police department. 990 01:13:33,130 --> 01:13:33,970 They need us. 991 01:13:34,690 --> 01:13:37,870 The burden should not be on them to protect our citizens. 992 01:13:37,950 --> 01:13:40,990 We can protect ourselves, but we can't have our hands tied. 993 01:13:42,010 --> 01:13:43,530 We need each other. 994 01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:48,030 My mother said if you haven't heard it tonight, my mother says it all the time. 995 01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:52,110 I carry a gun because I cannot carry a police officer. 996 01:13:53,330 --> 01:14:01,190 My wife and my little girl have been involved twice in situations where they were outnumbered at a stoplight. 997 01:14:01,290 --> 01:14:05,870 Their car was surrounded just because they tapped their horn to let them know they were at a green light. 998 01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:10,750 And if my wife were not armed, who knows what would have happened. 999 01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:14,390 They literally drove over the hood of my wife's car to stop her from leaving. 1000 01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:21,070 I'm very shaken because my brother was murdered in Norfolk because he didn't have the ability 1001 01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:23,490 to arm himself because of where he was. 1002 01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:27,690 You know the right thing. 1003 01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:32,750 Virginia Beach, Chesapeake, tonight Portsmouth is considering the same thing. 1004 01:14:33,650 --> 01:14:34,310 We got this. 1005 01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:35,930 We're all neighbors. 1006 01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:39,210 We're right down the street from you in Virginia Beach. 1007 01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:40,990 They did the right thing. 1008 01:14:40,990 --> 01:14:44,710 you guys please stand with us, stand with the people. 1009 01:14:45,130 --> 01:14:46,090 Stan, what is your address? 1010 01:14:47,170 --> 01:14:48,430 557-76, Glen V Drive. 1011 01:14:49,290 --> 01:14:49,650 What city? 1012 01:14:50,130 --> 01:14:50,630 Virginia Beach. 1013 01:14:50,930 --> 01:14:51,430 Thank you, sir. 1014 01:14:51,650 --> 01:14:51,910 Yes, sir. 1015 01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,960 Matthew Adams, call it by. 1016 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:09,430 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Matthew Adams. I live at 73 Kirby Crescent, Norfolk, Virginia. 1017 01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:17,810 And I represent the average guy, okay? When I say the average guy, I'm talking about 20 1018 01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:23,610 years in the service. I was law enforcement in the Navy. I served on five different continents 1019 01:15:23,610 --> 01:15:29,310 supporting five different countries defending five different peoples. I 1020 01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:35,190 fought pirates, I fought terrorists, and I fought sailors and marines. 1021 01:15:38,690 --> 01:15:41,470 So as an 1022 01:15:41,470 --> 01:15:48,350 average guy, let me tell you a little bit about my family. My wife's Hispanic, my 1023 01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:53,890 daughter lives in California. I have seven grandkids. Her husband is a strong 1024 01:15:53,890 --> 01:16:00,890 black man. Color means nothing to me. I've heard this argument is about race. 1025 01:16:01,090 --> 01:16:04,310 I've heard we're all racist. I've heard we've all got prejudices. 1026 01:16:07,940 --> 01:16:09,100 I bleed blue. 1027 01:16:09,860 --> 01:16:14,640 I bleed red. We all do. Okay. 1028 01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:20,570 This right is not granted by the Constitution. 1029 01:16:20,570 --> 01:16:29,090 This right is an inalienable human right, just like our right to worship and our right to speak. 1030 01:16:30,150 --> 01:16:33,290 Somebody's feelings don't matter. 1031 01:16:34,170 --> 01:16:39,970 I don't know why it is that somewhere in between the 1950s and the 1960s, 1032 01:16:39,970 --> 01:16:46,910 we decided that we should make our decisions based on feelings rather than facts. 1033 01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:53,590 And the facts say that an armed citizenry is a safer citizenry. 1034 01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:55,450 Look at Chicago. 1035 01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:57,310 Look at most of our major cities. 1036 01:16:58,010 --> 01:17:00,210 This is a fact that is undeniable. 1037 01:17:01,730 --> 01:17:02,150 Okay? 1038 01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:04,650 We all want our kids to be safe. 1039 01:17:05,290 --> 01:17:07,350 We all want our loved ones to be safe. 1040 01:17:09,340 --> 01:17:12,880 Taking long-abiding citizens' guns away does not make them safe. 1041 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,240 In fact, it probably puts them in danger. 1042 01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:20,740 And that is an indisputable fact. 1043 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:31,360 So Richmond says that it's okay to abort a baby after he's born, 1044 01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:36,660 but we want to take away your guns to protect our children. 1045 01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:39,930 So which is it? 1046 01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:45,650 At what point is my child's life valuable? 1047 01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:51,490 Does anybody have an answer for me? 1048 01:17:51,970 --> 01:17:56,310 because I say conception in the womb 1049 01:17:58,930 --> 01:18:01,810 until God takes him home. 1050 01:18:04,590 --> 01:18:05,650 Thank you so much. 1051 01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:06,650 One more thing. 1052 01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:11,820 When the Romans came to take Jesus... 1053 01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:13,760 Sir, your time has expired. 1054 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,700 After 20 minutes talking to the Lieutenant Governor yesterday 1055 01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:19,880 and he did interrupt me once, I don't expect to be interrupted here. 1056 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,500 Sir, your time has expired. You have other people who want to speak. 1057 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,520 When the Roman soldiers came to take Jesus away, the apostles were armed. 1058 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,900 The rest won't, because I will adjourn the meeting and all the people who signed up, sir, 1059 01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:32,660 will be disrespected because of you. 1060 01:18:35,010 --> 01:18:35,890 Josiah Hunter. 1061 01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:40,860 Good 1062 01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:46,660 evening, Mayor, City Council. 1063 01:18:46,940 --> 01:18:47,860 Thank you for having us. 1064 01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:49,560 My name is Josiah Hunter. 1065 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,540 I live at 301 East Randall Avenue, Norfolk, Virginia. 1066 01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:56,900 I'm representing Mr. Smeagol, Mrs. McClellan, and of course yourself, Mayor. 1067 01:18:57,060 --> 01:18:57,380 Thank you. 1068 01:18:58,300 --> 01:18:59,440 I came to Norfolk from the Navy. 1069 01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:03,040 I've been a proud Norfolk resident for 27 years. 1070 01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:04,440 I love Norfolk. 1071 01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:05,580 Could have moved somewhere else. 1072 01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:07,760 Stayed here because I like it. 1073 01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:19,080 I'm here also to ask you to represent me and my fellow citizens to stand up and stand up for the civil liberties of all Norfolk residents 1074 01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:27,900 and join our neighbor cities of Virginia Beach and Chesapeake in declaring Norfolk a Second Amendment constitutional city. 1075 01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:32,200 I'm passionate about the Second Amendment for a lot of reasons, one of which is I'm only 1076 01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,260 here speaking to you tonight because I carried a gun. 1077 01:19:35,180 --> 01:19:41,240 In December 2003, I was violently attacked in the Oakdale Farm section of town in front 1078 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,620 of my house by a stranger I'd never seen. 1079 01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,360 It was a four minute response before the Norfolk Police showed up. 1080 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:48,920 I'm happy they showed up. 1081 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,320 They were outstanding once on scene, but in those four minutes, if I hadn't had 1082 01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,240 a gun, I was going to die. 1083 01:19:57,940 --> 01:20:03,480 Going to jump ahead, just a few months ago, I had a friend who was killed, Christopher 1084 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:11,580 Rapp on May 31, 2019, at Virginia Beach City Complex. 1085 01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:16,680 I like to think he might have been alive had Ms. Nixon had her gun on her that day. 1086 01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:21,320 Gun-free zones do not make us safer. 1087 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:28,160 The Governor and a lot of the General Assembly is putting forth a lot of legislation that 1088 01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:33,040 even by their own admittance wouldn't have stopped that, wouldn't have done anything and 1089 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,360 quite frankly it's not going to make anyone any safer. 1090 01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:44,770 Segment rights as stated before, they're not my rights, they're our rights, they're 1091 01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:47,610 women's rights, they're minority rights, they're gay rights, they're straight rights, 1092 01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:50,970 they're everybody's rights, they're human rights. 1093 01:20:50,970 --> 01:21:00,130 I'm asking for you, my elected representatives, to stand with us in telling Richmond that 1094 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,680 the rights of the citizens of Norfolk shall not be infringed. 1095 01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:08,340 Thank you for your time and consideration. 1096 01:21:08,820 --> 01:21:09,280 Thank you. 1097 01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:17,700 Richard Baldwin, followed by Bruce Sherman. 1098 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,340 Mr. Mayor, City Council, ladies and gentlemen, President, my name is Richard Baldwin. 1099 01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:36,420 I reside at 339 East Leicester, East Leicester Avenue in the Ocean View. 1100 01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:39,040 I'm a retired Navy Mustang. 1101 01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,020 I am a retired North Church deputy. 1102 01:21:44,980 --> 01:21:51,560 As of tonight, 125 out of 133 jurisdictions in the state of Virginia, they declared 1103 01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,860 themselves for the Second Amendment, for the rights of its citizens. 1104 01:21:55,860 --> 01:22:01,840 I'm here to urge you in the strongest possible terms to adopt a resolution to that effect 1105 01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:05,500 that you stand for the rights of the citizens of Norfolk. 1106 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,640 I know resolutions don't carry the power of law. 1107 01:22:10,540 --> 01:22:11,940 They speak very loudly. 1108 01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,420 125 out of 133 jurisdictions in the state. 1109 01:22:19,060 --> 01:22:20,420 There aren't very many people here tonight. 1110 01:22:21,180 --> 01:22:23,260 Come with me Monday, come with me to Richmond 1111 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,460 and look at the people that are going to be there 1112 01:22:25,460 --> 01:22:26,660 for this very same purpose. 1113 01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:35,110 The General Assembly is supposed to represent me 1114 01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:36,310 and my rights. 1115 01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:38,430 It's not just me, but my rights also. 1116 01:22:39,670 --> 01:22:43,170 City Council represents me and is supposed to represent my rights. 1117 01:22:44,850 --> 01:22:45,750 Please do it. 1118 01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:50,890 I should not come here and beg for something as simple as that. 1119 01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:55,870 Stand up and stand for freedom. 1120 01:22:56,870 --> 01:23:01,610 It's not about gun control as much as it's about control, as much as it's about freedom. 1121 01:23:01,610 --> 01:23:01,710 freedom. 1122 01:23:04,460 --> 01:23:09,260 When the Constitution of the country and the state both say the right to keeping 1123 01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:13,160 bare arms shall not be infringed and shall be protected, 1124 01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:18,550 I don't want us to say to you, 1125 01:23:19,290 --> 01:23:25,170 I don't want you dragging your feet on this. Stand up and do the right thing for us, for 1126 01:23:25,170 --> 01:23:29,970 all of us, us and us. It's about your freedom. 1127 01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:34,100 Thank you. 1128 01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:34,860 Thank you. 1129 01:23:39,770 --> 01:23:42,070 Bruce, followed by Ken Reid. 1130 01:23:48,530 --> 01:23:51,370 Mr. Mayor, Council people, thank you for having this session. 1131 01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:58,990 If the Commonwealth of Virginia were considering a law where a person can only post 10 times a month to social media, 1132 01:23:59,790 --> 01:24:03,310 or needs a permit to open a Facebook account. 1133 01:24:03,470 --> 01:24:05,310 Sir, can you give us your name and your address? 1134 01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:09,250 Oh, I'm sorry. Bruce Sherman, 1127 Llewellyn, Norfolk. 1135 01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:18,870 Or, if you need a permit to open up a Facebook account, you would stand with the people and 1136 01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:19,790 make your voice known. 1137 01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:32,830 I urge you to join the 91 of 95 counties, 13 of 38 independent cities, and 24 towns 1138 01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:36,490 who have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries. 1139 01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:43,790 This symbolic action will show that Norfolk stands with decent law-abiding Virginia citizens 1140 01:24:44,010 --> 01:24:47,890 and not with outside state big-money interests. 1141 01:24:49,210 --> 01:24:58,290 As part of a targeted community, any restriction on our rights will negatively impact us, 1142 01:24:58,790 --> 01:25:01,190 my community, and Norfolk directly. 1143 01:25:01,190 --> 01:25:07,210 Exactly. A few months ago, on my way to go worship, 1144 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,180 I heard a commotion coming from a 1145 01:25:11,180 --> 01:25:17,980 nightclub next to where I worship. I personally stopped a woman from being beaten by her partner 1146 01:25:17,980 --> 01:25:25,280 that night. When his anger turned towards me, I showed that I was able to defend myself 1147 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:33,620 with the lethal force. He second guessed his actions and left. Police on the scene told 1148 01:25:33,620 --> 01:25:42,980 me that I was justified and legal in my actions. At the court case, the person received two 1149 01:25:42,980 --> 01:25:49,640 years probation along with a no contact order with the victim. And I'm not a police officer. 1150 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:56,580 I'm not a veteran. I'm a regular citizen who prevented something that could have been very 1151 01:25:56,580 --> 01:26:07,660 horrible. I urge you to join 95-plus percent of the land mass of the state of Virginia 1152 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:16,040 in declaring us a Second Amendment sanctuary location. I know that it's symbolic. I know 1153 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:21,080 Now it does not carry the weight of law, but it carries the will of the people, and that's 1154 01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:22,040 what you're elected to do. 1155 01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:24,160 Thank you. 1156 01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,180 Ken Reid, followed by Carolyn Fight. 1157 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:37,760 Thank you for the time, Dr. Mayer. 1158 01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:38,880 I guess it's Dr. Mayer. 1159 01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:42,740 And members of the council, my name is Ken Reid, 506 Spotswood Avenue. 1160 01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:46,060 I'm a new resident, relatively, and I love the city a lot. 1161 01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,340 It's got a lot of potential. 1162 01:26:47,340 --> 01:26:48,620 It really does. 1163 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,940 I moved here from Northern Virginia and I'm a proud member of this great Orthodox Jewish 1164 01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:54,440 community. 1165 01:26:54,580 --> 01:26:59,940 You see a lot of our members here in the audience tonight in support of the Second Amendment 1166 01:26:59,940 --> 01:27:00,860 and here's why. 1167 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:05,680 I think we all know there's been a surge of anti-Semitism in this country and it's 1168 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:11,280 been horrible and it's been one of the worst anti-Semitism probably since the 30s. 1169 01:27:11,620 --> 01:27:15,700 And even in the 30s I'm not aware of people being shot and killed in synagogues as 1170 01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:23,400 they have been in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and in California, all of which have very restrictive 1171 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:30,640 gun laws. Recently, a member of our community mentioned that he was walking along, and as 1172 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:35,960 you know, we all walk because we walk on Shabbos. We don't use our cars. We don't use our cars 1173 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:41,080 on holidays, Jewish holidays. And someone said to him on a bike, get out of my way, 1174 01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:46,200 why you effin' Jew." And I couldn't believe this. And neither could he. And so we spoke 1175 01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:50,740 to a member of our community, said, I want to get a gun. What do I have to do to get 1176 01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:54,080 it? And he says, well, there is no requirements, really. You just go down and you get it. You 1177 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,720 should take training, whatever. You should do this, get a concealed permit, is something 1178 01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,900 else. So a lot of our members have that ability. And I think that's probably one 1179 01:28:02,900 --> 01:28:07,840 of the reasons why you don't see people praying upon the Orthodox Jewish community 1180 01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:13,740 in Norfolk. It's because probably a lot of criminals know that people are armed. However, 1181 01:28:13,820 --> 01:28:18,380 Virginia's General Assembly and the governor are now poised to do the same mistake that 1182 01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:22,160 New York and New Jersey are doing. And what they're doing up there in New York and New 1183 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:28,340 Jersey is not just making it more difficult to own a firearm, but they're also relaxing 1184 01:28:28,340 --> 01:28:33,040 criminal enforcement. And that's why I'm coming to you tonight. It's because in 1185 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:39,600 your legislative agenda, you support safe neighborhoods. That's a quote. And what they're 1186 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:44,660 talking about by eliminating certain cash bill requirements and by making that a felony 1187 01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:51,900 only if you steal over $900 and going back to parole is going to create more of a problem 1188 01:28:52,820 --> 01:28:57,980 coupled with the restrictions on firearms ownership. That's what concerns me. 1189 01:29:01,860 --> 01:29:01,860 And 1190 01:29:01,860 --> 01:29:03,060 that may not happen here. 1191 01:29:03,740 --> 01:29:05,480 That's always what people say. 1192 01:29:05,980 --> 01:29:08,400 And it seems to me just from listening to the people tonight 1193 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,880 that you have been kicking the can down the road 1194 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,380 and you have refused to even offer a debate 1195 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,660 on a second amendment sanctuary or a constitutional city. 1196 01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:20,220 Why don't you amend your legislative agenda? 1197 01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:22,360 Bring your sheriff, your police chief, 1198 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,640 and your legislators in and ask them, 1199 01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:27,520 do you really want to relax criminal enforcement 1200 01:29:28,060 --> 01:29:28,920 in this state? 1201 01:29:29,340 --> 01:29:30,960 Do you really want to expose 1202 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:38,860 is my community, Muslims, Sikhs, or anybody who looks different to criminals, that's the 1203 01:29:38,860 --> 01:29:42,480 problem and can you live with that if something like that were to happen in this great city. 1204 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:43,340 Thank you very much. 1205 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:43,940 Thank you so much. 1206 01:29:43,940 --> 01:29:44,160 Thank you so much. 1207 01:29:50,290 --> 01:29:52,810 Carolyn is followed by William Jackson, senior. 1208 01:29:54,330 --> 01:29:56,070 Mr. Riddick, you need a cup of coffee, sir. 1209 01:29:56,230 --> 01:29:56,450 Sir. 1210 01:29:58,610 --> 01:29:59,010 Hi. 1211 01:29:59,090 --> 01:29:59,710 My name is Carolyn. 1212 01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:59,970 Hi. 1213 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,920 My address is 9430 Atlands and Oceanview, Norfolk. 1214 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,720 I was, for a living, I helped handicap people be mobile. 1215 01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:14,520 One of my clients came in today and made me aware of this meeting tonight, and I had to be here. 1216 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:20,280 Been in Norfolk for about a year, wasn't in my house for about four months, 1217 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:21,620 and I had a bullet go through my window. 1218 01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:24,900 I'm just happy I have a gun. 1219 01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:27,880 I'm happy I'm able to defend myself. 1220 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:35,340 if somebody comes in my house single parent you know I just want to be able 1221 01:30:35,340 --> 01:30:41,380 to defend myself and I hope you guys don't let that go away it's all I gotta 1222 01:30:41,380 --> 01:30:44,880 say William 1223 01:30:48,820 --> 01:30:52,840 Jackson followed by Dustin Edwards good 1224 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,640 evening Mr. Mayor the 1225 01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:02,860 City Council particularly Angela and Mamie know both well and our great 1226 01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:03,160 people. 1227 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:13,200 I'm 78 years old and I've been in Norfolk, Virginia since 1971. I spent four 1228 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:17,900 years in the U.S. Air Force and Military Police. I worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard 1229 01:31:17,900 --> 01:31:22,580 for 31 and a half years and I crawled in some holes that you wouldn't want to go 1230 01:31:22,580 --> 01:31:22,800 in. 1231 01:31:25,540 --> 01:31:31,720 I spent all day yesterday in the Pocahontas building in Hirschman, 1232 01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:32,180 in Virginia. 1233 01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:40,840 Wavy TV last night said that there was approximately 200 people in favor 1234 01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:46,760 of the guns. That's a lie because I was in that building and there had to be well over 1235 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:53,340 2,000 people. I went from floor one to the fifth floor and you couldn't move around 1236 01:31:53,340 --> 01:31:53,980 in the place. 1237 01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:01,320 I didn't prepare a text tonight because I really didn't plan to come here 1238 01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:02,300 but I 1239 01:32:04,510 --> 01:32:12,710 want to ask all of you to contact your representative and tell them vote no 1240 01:32:12,710 --> 01:32:20,720 on all this garbage that they're trying to push through. Even the three that they 1241 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:28,400 want to pass through to give you the authority to ban guns at a parade or 1242 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:35,540 any city function, okay? You can ban guns. They want to let you ban guns in all of 1243 01:32:35,540 --> 01:32:42,080 your city buildings. City parks. City parks are safe places, aren't they? Okay? At night 1244 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:42,520 in particular. 1245 01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:47,950 I'm going to tell you what those bills are if you want to write 1246 01:32:47,950 --> 01:32:56,590 them down. SB 35 parades and marches, SB 615 buildings and parks, 1247 01:32:56,590 --> 01:33:05,670 S.B. 450 chambers of local governing bodies, guess where that is? If they pass 1248 01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:13,650 that, I've seen a number of these great people here are carrying. I don't carry 1249 01:33:13,650 --> 01:33:16,030 yet but I'm about to start I think. 1250 01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:24,370 Please give very serious consideration to 1251 01:33:24,370 --> 01:33:31,410 this Sanctuary City Constitutional Amendment, whichever they want to call it. Sanctuary 1252 01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:36,670 Cities is great with me. If you want to add constitutional, it's okay. But give a serious 1253 01:33:39,210 --> 01:33:43,470 consideration and give us a chance to vote on it. Thank you very much. 1254 01:33:43,630 --> 01:33:44,010 Thank you. 1255 01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:52,490 Dustin, followed by Adam Nassbaum. 1256 01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:58,130 My name is Dustin Edwards. I live at 6127 Edward Street. I had a whole list of stuff 1257 01:33:58,130 --> 01:34:03,130 here to say, but everyone's already said it. There's only one question. There's only one 1258 01:34:03,130 --> 01:34:05,910 thing that hasn't been addressed. I hear all these plans about how you're going to get 1259 01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:09,750 the guns from the slaughtered by the citizens. Now, one time I've heard how you're going to 1260 01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:13,730 get it from the criminals. The ones that are actually doing the crimes. The one that 1261 01:34:13,730 --> 01:34:17,150 are killing people. The one that are robbing. That's one of the questions. You have all 1262 01:34:17,150 --> 01:34:19,670 these laws. How are you going to get it from me? Which, you're not going to get 1263 01:34:19,670 --> 01:34:22,730 it from me. I can tell you that right now. And most of them, too. You ain't 1264 01:34:22,730 --> 01:34:25,110 going to get it from them, either. How are you going to get it from the bad guys? 1265 01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:30,590 The Second Amendment isn't a guarantee of safety, it's a guarantee of a fighting chance against 1266 01:34:30,590 --> 01:34:33,570 tyranny, even if it comes from our own government, which it is. 1267 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,860 Adam is followed by Robert Duncan. 1268 01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:46,400 Good evening. 1269 01:34:46,740 --> 01:34:49,860 My name is Adam Nussbaum, and I live at 201 Westover Avenue. 1270 01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:51,880 I hope everyone here had a good holiday season. 1271 01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,000 Just to be clear, any of my viewpoints shared here tonight do not reflect any of my places 1272 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:56,400 of work. 1273 01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,500 Throughout my time serving in the U.S. Navy as a current graduate student at American 1274 01:35:00,500 --> 01:35:05,880 University as a current employee of NATO, I have given my all to uphold American values 1275 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,760 and defend this country from foreign threats. 1276 01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:11,860 Even though I took that oath today, I enlisted, I never actually thought I would have to defend 1277 01:35:11,860 --> 01:35:13,460 this great nation from domestic threats. 1278 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,920 However, these are trying times and defend these threats I will. 1279 01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,280 The Bill of Rights was not written as a suggestion or even as rights bestowed upon 1280 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:21,900 us by the government. 1281 01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:27,320 These rights are simply recognized as fundamental inalienable rights and as such are protected 1282 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,700 by both the U.S. and Virginia constitutions. 1283 01:35:30,340 --> 01:35:36,180 Even the current U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres states peace, security, and human rights 1284 01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:42,240 are mutually reinforcing and rights violations signal threats to security, but rights upheld 1285 01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:43,400 contribute to peace. 1286 01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,200 A fellow Virginian Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers shared these beliefs and 1287 01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,600 even wrote down their thoughts regarding this in the Federalist Papers. 1288 01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:55,160 Throughout my studies and my work in international affairs, I have seen firsthand what happens 1289 01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:58,040 to countries whose leaders forcefully take guns away from law-abiding citizens. 1290 01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:00,280 These leaders were above the law. 1291 01:36:01,060 --> 01:36:04,640 By not becoming a second member of Sanctuary City, you are in effect telling all of us 1292 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,340 and your constituents that you agree with the unconstitutional laws come down from 1293 01:36:08,340 --> 01:36:09,220 a legitimate Richmond. 1294 01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:14,360 The latest one, HB961, is even more restrictive than the previous SB16. 1295 01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,780 However, these laws exclude those in the legislator, police officers, and military 1296 01:36:18,780 --> 01:36:19,200 veterans. 1297 01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:23,240 This truly means that this assumed higher class of people is above the law. 1298 01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:27,180 law. These laws discriminate against anyone who hasn't worked for the government and even 1299 01:36:27,180 --> 01:36:31,360 some that have. With the grandfather clauses, they also discriminate against those who do 1300 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:37,440 not yet own a firearm, children, and our future generations. The 1 percent can still 1301 01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:41,400 afford armed security for self-defense, also granting them the status that they are better 1302 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,560 than the rest of us. This notion of having an upper class above the rest of us has 1303 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,940 already plagued America's past for hundreds of years. Frankly, I am astonished that 1304 01:36:49,940 --> 01:36:53,800 that you are willing to re-enact and support such laws as this idea should be anathema 1305 01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,920 to each and every one of you. Personally, I side with the Declaration of Interdependence 1306 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,800 and Jefferson's words, that all men are created equal. They are endowed by the Creator with 1307 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,880 certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. 1308 01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,320 That secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, driving their powers 1309 01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:15,620 from the consent of the government. In the Virginia Declaration of Rights, George 1310 01:37:15,620 --> 01:37:20,100 The Lord's mission also says certain inherent rights of which they cannot be deprived. 1311 01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:21,980 I, for one, do not consent. 1312 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,680 I implore you to take these words to heart. 1313 01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,300 Be guided by real common sense, not emotions. 1314 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:32,880 Make Norfolk a second amendment sanctuary city and join the 90-plus percent of Virginia localities. 1315 01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:36,160 Otherwise, you are unequivocally telling us, your constituents, 1316 01:37:36,620 --> 01:37:39,540 that you and your common parts in Richmond are above the law. 1317 01:37:39,980 --> 01:37:40,660 Thank you for your time. 1318 01:37:40,660 --> 01:37:41,680 Thank you. 1319 01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:48,860 Robert Duncan followed by Julie Besko. 1320 01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:57,490 Good evening my name is 1321 01:37:57,490 --> 01:38:02,030 Robert Duncan. I reside at 11 and a 4 taller place in Norfolk, Virginia. 1322 01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:05,330 I'm 1323 01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:09,210 really shocked that we're here today to even talk about something that when I 1324 01:38:09,210 --> 01:38:13,990 was growing up was it's a constitutional right but here we are a lot of this 1325 01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:17,090 grounds are been covered so I don't want to go over the history lesson of 1326 01:38:17,090 --> 01:38:17,370 course. 1327 01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:25,290 Just Saturday, we had to dispute in a house right behind mine. I had to call the 1328 01:38:25,290 --> 01:38:32,370 police. It took 17 minutes or longer for the police to get there. There were three phone 1329 01:38:32,370 --> 01:38:37,070 calls put in, and I don't blame the police. They're spread then. They can't be everywhere 1330 01:38:37,070 --> 01:38:43,410 at once. But luckily, I knew in the back of my head that I had the power to take 1331 01:38:43,410 --> 01:38:48,730 care of myself if need be. And luckily that didn't arise. I've had a gun since I was probably 1332 01:38:48,730 --> 01:38:55,250 about 10 years old. I started caring since I was about 21 and bartending. And I've luckily 1333 01:38:55,250 --> 01:38:59,890 never had to pull my gun to use it. And I pray to God I never have to. But to know 1334 01:38:59,890 --> 01:39:05,350 that I can defend myself, my family, my little three-year-old and my seven-year-old and 1335 01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:10,790 keep that right, I urge you guys to let us keep that right. I think what it comes 1336 01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:16,650 down to is basically it's a tool and it's like a plunger. If you ever need one 1337 01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:20,570 of those, whether it's a plunger or a gun, you better have one or it's going to be 1338 01:39:20,570 --> 01:39:21,870 in a really bad position. 1339 01:39:33,490 --> 01:39:36,070 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Julie Vascoe. I 1340 01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:41,130 live at 1214 East Ocean View Avenue and I thank you for your polite 1341 01:39:41,130 --> 01:39:41,530 attention. 1342 01:39:43,770 --> 01:39:47,310 We are a port city. Norfolk's history shows that enemies have 1343 01:39:47,310 --> 01:39:51,270 arrived here from over the sea and from all directions on the land side as 1344 01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:58,930 I'm sure people know just right out here on the street, there's a cannonball that was fired by the British in the church wall. 1345 01:40:01,790 --> 01:40:10,810 Many years have passed during which our forefathers and our foremothers have lived through differing scenarios in the interplay between weapons and government and war. 1346 01:40:11,970 --> 01:40:19,870 Thousands of those years, as Europeans have experienced them, are the ones I know most about as my forebearers are Europeans. 1347 01:40:19,870 --> 01:40:24,910 After thousands of years trying different political systems in these many countries of Europe, 1348 01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:30,030 early Americans came here to America and wrote what they had learned 1349 01:40:30,030 --> 01:40:35,190 through those prior centuries into a hopeful document that we still call the American Constitution. 1350 01:40:36,350 --> 01:40:40,130 And our Constitution has served America almost 250 years, 1351 01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:43,030 having been tweaked ever since America's founding. 1352 01:40:43,770 --> 01:40:48,010 Well, now we're here in Virginia and we're leading the nation again in our thinking 1353 01:40:48,010 --> 01:40:53,250 in our debate about whether the collective wisdom on guns and government of these past 1354 01:40:53,250 --> 01:41:00,810 1,250 years needs alteration now in this new age, this age in which we also have to deal 1355 01:41:00,810 --> 01:41:07,630 with the internet and the bombardments of 24-hour news and pressures from those who advocate 1356 01:41:07,630 --> 01:41:13,190 a world government and the cries of those who believe that the end times are already 1357 01:41:13,190 --> 01:41:19,830 upon us and advances in shooting technology, and so they cry that the second amendment, 1358 01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:24,150 which simply put, says that the average citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms 1359 01:41:24,150 --> 01:41:30,370 needs to be altered, or they do so in a sneakier way, wishing to adopt new laws that would 1360 01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:31,370 undercut this right. 1361 01:41:32,410 --> 01:41:33,070 I think not. 1362 01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:39,270 What's really changed in the 250 years since we had the second amendment? 1363 01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:44,330 Well, the buzzing of the Internet does not alter the need to defend our bodies and our 1364 01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:45,550 homes against invasion. 1365 01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:52,490 Of the bombardments of 24-hour news, we are wisest to limit our daily intake, but they 1366 01:41:52,490 --> 01:41:55,310 do not remove our need to be ready to defend ourselves. 1367 01:41:56,370 --> 01:42:02,150 Of the pressures of those who advocate world government, to them I ask, do you really 1368 01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:04,310 want to hand America over without a fight? 1369 01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:10,430 The history of Europe shows that such a thing could happen any minute and does happen all 1370 01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:12,570 the faster when the citizens are denied arms. 1371 01:42:14,990 --> 01:42:18,870 For the cries of those who believe that the end times are upon us, why does this make 1372 01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:21,250 it necessary to alter our Second Amendment rights? 1373 01:42:22,230 --> 01:42:26,550 On the contrary, I would say that our forebears suffered thousands of years of abuse at 1374 01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:31,350 the hands of various governments and that our sacred U.S. Constitution has put the 1375 01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:33,630 situation right via the Second Amendment. 1376 01:42:33,630 --> 01:42:44,000 And so just to quickly finish, although – to the technology, although the bullets fly faster 1377 01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:50,080 now as a freedom-loving American wanting to protect my little home in Ocean View, I just 1378 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,480 know if someone comes at me with a fast gun, I want to have a gun that's faster. 1379 01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:54,640 Thank you. 1380 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:55,300 Thank you. 1381 01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:03,110 We have no speakers left. 1382 01:43:03,110 --> 01:43:05,310 So is that the last speaker? 1383 01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:05,550 Okay. 1384 01:43:06,290 --> 01:43:06,590 All right. 1385 01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:09,130 Thank you very much, Mr. 1386 01:43:11,190 --> 01:43:11,290 Clerk. 1387 01:43:16,750 --> 01:43:25,410 Okay, concerning the Second Amendment Sanctuary City, I'm prepared as the clerk to send this 1388 01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:31,050 letter to Governor Northam, Lieutenant Governor Fairfax, Attorney General Herring and members 1389 01:43:31,050 --> 01:43:35,090 of the General Assembly and members of the Norfolk City Council. 1390 01:43:35,490 --> 01:43:40,670 We have been presented with a petition requesting the City of Norfolk adopt the resolution 1391 01:43:40,670 --> 01:43:45,590 declaring Norfolk a Second Amendment sanctuary city is enclosed along with the correspondence 1392 01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:51,550 and formal remarks provided by citizens regarding this matter which will include emails and comments 1393 01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:58,590 this evening. Upon taking office, in accordance with Section 49.1 of the Code of Virginia members 1394 01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:02,270 of the City Council swear in oath to support the Constitution of the United States, 1395 01:44:02,690 --> 01:44:07,410 this includes the Second Amendment, support the Virginia Constitution of 1971, 1396 01:44:07,410 --> 01:44:11,850 and faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent upon them. 1397 01:44:12,650 --> 01:44:17,690 Neither U.S. Constitution or Virginia's Constitution provides municipalities with illegal means 1398 01:44:17,690 --> 01:44:22,850 to choose not to uphold the laws of the United States and the Commonwealth of Virginia. 1399 01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:31,880 The Norfolk City Council members respect and hopefully will deliberate, 1400 01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,080 hope that you will deliberate this issue during the 2020 session of the General Assembly. 1401 01:44:37,260 --> 01:44:38,840 respectfully submitted in Richard A. Boll.