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>> we all right.

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>> we are in the city chambers

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and I call the city commission

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workshop meeting to order.

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Commissioners present are

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commissioner mcdowell. Myself

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mayor white vice mayor

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commissioner average. I

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acknowledge that. Vice and

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vice mayor. But langdon is

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commissioner hear that there's

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present for this meeting also

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the PRESIDENT Our city manager

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fletcher city attorney slayton

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city clerk though. There, I'm

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sorry michael.

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>> I had to take I didn't take

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my notes really sorry.

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>> I do say place to for

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garrison back there and is

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that chief titus back there

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thank you for waving your

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>> that's always is a little

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do the pledge and could I

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have. Carol what would you

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previous in in the

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>> I pledge allegiance to flag

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of united states of america

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for which it stands one nation

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under GOD indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> alright

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>> city clerk do we have any

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public comment. All right.

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Good

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>> my name is racing on north

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course see all the black spots

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on this map. These are

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single-family homes that

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already exist and are little

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areas so this is about zoning

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in the shire and activity

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center number 6. South

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barcelona drought. Has already

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recently been reconsidered to

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remain a pocket that is rsf 2.

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North of barcelona should

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remain the same also. And

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alternative could be in the

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architectural style. Script

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chan, it could read single

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family as well as what else is

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there. Another the is bordered

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between cocoa kloman

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bethelehem waterways and north

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barcelona 30 single family

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homes. Outside of that

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boundary. Also there's a large

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completely occupied section

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west of christ from yorkshire

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they can accommodate

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commercial activity center and

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the prizes as well as river

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road as well as further up and

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the c a so those are the

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alternatives. Thank you for

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your time and attention this

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morning. Okay.

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>> is so we have no online

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public comment think okay,

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thank you. All right, I guess

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without further ado we'll move

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on general business. City

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manager. This is your item.

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>> thank you MADAM Mayor, the

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side of the discussion

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possible you of the guard and

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real question to sex the real

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to be in the charter of the

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cold the city of to the city's

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authority to issue obligation

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of bombs as I was coming for

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for discussion as a

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conversation occurred after we

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had hurricane ian all last

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year. It is no secret that was

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a good move one of very few if

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any municipalities in the

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state that do not have so or

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enter into without going to

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put your vehicle to that

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referendum. And it could

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impact the city's ability in

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the future. If we were to come

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critical situation. Therefore

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we would back and we explored

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several options based on what

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do. 2 out state route are

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surrounding municipalities of

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it you're stuck in similar in

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size. Focus the city of port.

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Today we have dozen taken by

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the attorney's office finance

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department to do information

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in office to consider court

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order for people discussion

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that we come back to you

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voting item on baker

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commission now MISTER Michael

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going to it's vision we have a

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lot of people the question

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that MAY go through your

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process but the fbi for thank

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thank you.

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>> good morning commissioner,

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thank city as city manager.

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Just said you know we are here

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to present this presentation

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as directed on the for

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potential bond referendum. My

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of so. On NOVEMBER 8th

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twenty-twenty to the

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commission unanimously voted

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to direct staff to start the

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process of ordering the

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referendum. For the general

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election in 2024 2 men

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section, one to be see chart a

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lot of 2 issue general

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obligation or revenue bonds.

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The future MS. Presentation

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we're going to talk about is

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the city's legal authority

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issue general obligation new

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bonds under florida law and it

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highlights some compared to

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jurisdictions and how their

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charters do with bombs. Higher

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supreme will then provide its

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recommendations for commission

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consideration for many of the

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charter and also city's bond

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council MISTER Steve miller is

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here answer specific a

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specific bond questions.

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Commission MAY have I relate

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with the city is doing or.

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Conditions might have so with

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that. He will move on to

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section one to get each other

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in summary. Effectively

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restricts the city from

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incurring debt. Any type. Any

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amount unless approved by a

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majority of voters at a

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referendum. This restriction

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is uncommon and could impact

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the city's ability to respond

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to an emergency situation.

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scenario, we'll talk a little

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bit more about that later.

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Officers found no other

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jurisdiction in the state.

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It's a strict language its

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charter litsa bonds, however,

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because the way the city's

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charter is written. It's

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arguable that referendum

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firemen our charter applies to

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all types of debt and not just

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bought. But focusing on bonds

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for now. Our charter

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specifically identifies both

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general obligation and revenue

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bonds and florida law treats

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general obligation bonds

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little bit differently. So

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we're going to get into the

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difference there. And what

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these types of bonds are and

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the difference is are

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required. Legal authority

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regarding general obligation

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bonds fan of the florida

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constitution. It provides the

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general obligation bonds

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secured traveler. I want

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station as property taxes

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based on property values and

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it must be approved by

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referendum vote. When the bond

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matures more and 12 months

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missions. So there are those

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parameters there general

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obligation within 12 months

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referendums required. They all

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ask yourself what 12 months.

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That is the next question for

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them. MISTER Let colleagues

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have the authority issue

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general obligation bonds less

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than a year. Out a referendum.

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So short term financing that

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would be an example commercial

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bank loans that sort of thing

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lines of credit, something

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that the city could do. But is

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prohibited from doing. Legal

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authority regarding revenue

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bonds is found in florida

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statute. Statute provides as

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long as the bonds payable from

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the source. It is not ad

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valorem taxes. No referendums

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acquired. So there are on

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table from reading this as I

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just said these can be

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anything from. Utilities

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excise taxes, gas taxes

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general revenues. Operation of

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the pregnancy project, france

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fees, those sort of things can

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be used to pay that's major

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difference is. In those 2 bond

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times. As we're going to take

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a look at what other

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comparable jurisdictions are

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doing and how they're charged

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with ons. These are comparable

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duty to the size of the

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jurisdiction. Proximity to

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port. And as you see some

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charters. I mentioned on

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sunday on some do it all.

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Jurisdiction on this slide.

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They have no bomb in the

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teeming which in their

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charters you know they don't

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mention anything about bonds

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but it simply provide follow

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the process as provided by

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florida law. Works others.

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Don't have anything within the

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tournament might their code my

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deal guns and how to do so

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some of comparable

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jurisdictions I do a bombing

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which now talk about for

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example sarasota county.

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Referenced require mundt.

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taxes. There they say when

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county tax revenues are used

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to pay indebtedness the

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referendum is required unless

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the amounts less then

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17 million dollars and

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70 million dollar amount was

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in 2003. So there's are solely

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table so if people from other

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types of revenue enterprise

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fund impact assessment. Those

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are not subject to this

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referendum requirement.

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Monitor limitation. The county

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will issue can issue any bond

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that's below its monetary

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level. And then they have

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built an escalator you'll see

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that every year on OCTOBER

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one. A builder escalator in my

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cpi. Consumer price index that

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12 month period. A limitation

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from 2003 has been a slate

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every year there are now about

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28 million. Plus dollars.

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Currently. Referendum is

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required any bond that exceed

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that fiscal amount per project

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per year. And then they have

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additional for requirements.

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limitations they out on a limb

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per project. So you MAY have

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multiple projects that are

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under 28 million dollars they

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can do bond each project. But

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they could not break up the

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project in separate parts

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separate box for each part of

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one project one project, their

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limits that bond to that

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project. Some make sense that

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you can break it up get around

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that a limitation. Venice,

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this a little bit differently

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they had their general

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obligation bonds follow

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florida law. And they require

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a referendum, more than one

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year. Revenue on simply

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require 50% plus majority the

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commission to say. We're going

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to city of sarasota. Like for

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dinner general obligations,

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bonds follow florida law but

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they set a limit on the

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maximum amount of that van and

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the way that their math works

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is 10% of the emphasis valiant

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city real product. I don't

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know what that number is

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currently for they do when

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they got to do have the

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maximum out can't go past that

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limit for revenue bonds is

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simply approved by city

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commission. No additional

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limitations on hoping to

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creek. So they said a florida

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law. Another limitation

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regarding of our county. For

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the general obligation bonds

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they follow florida law. And

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then they have revenue a

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patient's to limit my limits,

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15 million dollars per project

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that limit expires every 2

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years. So if they wanted to do

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the same project again after 2

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years they could that and it

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specifically excludes certain

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projects from this limitation

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the 15 million dollars. Those

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projects are. Not related to.

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Those mandated by court order.

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Liquidity project utility or

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enterprise fund were road

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projects vitesse taxes. So

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those would not fall under

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that cap additionally

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commission grants themselves

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the authority. Case of an

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emergency. But it declared by

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the governor the PRESIDENT

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States related to hair every

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truck shun of certain

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infrastructure. So they if the

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commission determines there's

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an emergency it's related to

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these things they can direct

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deposit. A specific carpet for

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that. So some possible

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amendments to north port char

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so as you've heard for the law

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provides the general framework

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for how local governments can

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issue these general

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obligations of revenue bonds

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as long as that framework is

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follow it jurisdiction can.

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Facing a guide rails that want

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on self without a charter will

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allow. If commission

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determines that it wants to

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move forward propose an

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amendment to chart following

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most common limitations that

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we've seen out there. Kind of

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like al a carte menu though

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you can go with none of these

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options all that option. Some

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of options that's going to

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recommend. To you, but we'll

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go over. With the possible

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amendments could be so. He

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wants you to simply rely on a

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constitutional limits within

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obligation bonds. You can do

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that. By repealing any

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reference and wanted to to

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revenue that haitians you can

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simply clarify that this is

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going to follow all along. And

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the referendums only required

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for general obligation bonds

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choose you could clarify that

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the referendum is not required

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for bank loans and other

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private places like we

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discussed our charter language

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interpreted as any kind of.

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Loan taken out authorized

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revenue bonds completely or

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within limitations. You could

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set a maximum authorized them

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out. You can increase it by

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cpi. You can set when that

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period increases annual like

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we've seen in other places.

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You can require commission

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vote. 100% to 2%. In the

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middle. Respondent you could

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have a referendum only for if

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debt matures at a certain

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period more less than 1020 30

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years for example. You could

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authorize them for certain

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categories for example during

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a declared emergency is

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determined by. Governor the

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PRESIDENT This board. Said the

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mercy of turnpike commission

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you can increase it you can

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set it to simply public safety

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reasons emergency recovery

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response to regulators. We're

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that sort of thing. What we've

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seen out there with other

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jurisdictions are doing with

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our limitations are. This pass

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it over to staff must have any

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questions legal but they're

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recommending.

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>> good morning. My name is

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irene and go and then my

429
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>> and I'm going to talk about

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some of options that we are

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recommending.

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>> option won this is our

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recommended option. And this

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where commission would be

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awesome I seem to issue in an

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emergency situation and in

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this we would define emergency

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declared a local state or

439
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federal emergency.

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>> as well as public health

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and safety and public safety

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health and would be defined as

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response to regulatory.

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Agencies such for example

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department health would come.

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Which required to do some kind

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of major infrastructure

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upgrade. Other wednesday,

449
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which down are holding

450
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>> with the.

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>> get to safety

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infrastructure. Such as roads

453
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bridges.

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>> what a control structure to

455
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work. In the water and then

456
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also in response to police

457
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fire. Disaster. So this is our

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recommended option also wanted

459
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to provide more than just one.

460
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So here we have too. With this

461
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we would just follow. Florida

462
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law. This is similar to how a

463
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nurse brevard county as well

464
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as other jurisdictions are

465
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doing just like michael

466
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mention.

467
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>> we would still need to

468
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establish acceptable that

469
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limit policies.

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>> in order to maintain credit

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rating.

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>> and our 3rd where we

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structure with some set new

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members bonding limitations.

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With this commission would be

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awesome raising that payable

477
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from taxes for one time within

478
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a set structured. Sections

479
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once every 90 days up to set

480
00:18:24,149 --> 00:18:27,149
him project like 15 up to

481
00:18:28,153 --> 00:18:28,821
15 million. And with annual

482
00:18:28,821 --> 00:18:31,821
cpi adjustment they have to

483
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first. With this option we

484
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would recommends the

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commission I would wave to

486
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monitor limit if there is an

487
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emergency. As we define I

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defined in option, one. And

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with this option that that

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would be so we pay bills from

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enterprise fund impact fees or

492
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months would not be subject

493
00:19:00,251 --> 00:19:00,919
limitations. And as some other

494
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jurisdictions I do projects

495
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would not allowed to be broken

496
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into separate parts wanted to

497
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the mitigation. Here I wanted

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to apologize. I the way and

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the it was scrivener's error

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on weight since option, one on

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both of those projects that

502
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should be option option 2 is

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offering to follow florida

504
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law. I'm sure wanted to

505
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provide some hypothetical

506
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projects these are not actual

507
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projects we have they're just

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one hypothetical just for

509
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example.

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>> wanted to present what

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would be our which options

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would be able if we had these

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type of projects out there

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that we wanted to bonds.

515
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>> so the project we have

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police station for 50 million

517
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revenue on that would be

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secured by certain taxes.

519
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Option 2 would be the only

520
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option that the commission

521
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would be able to operate.

522
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Other with options you have to

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go to a referendum. Our unless

524
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the first project it would

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qualify as an emergency. But

526
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in this case we are saying

527
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that that's not an emergency

528
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just the station that you get

529
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to regular replacement. Our

530
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second project here is a road

531
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improvements and it's at

532
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15 million revenue

533
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because it's up to 15 million

534
00:20:43,955 --> 00:20:44,522
for option I would

535
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option.

536
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>> 2 would be following

537
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florida law.

538
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>> on 3rd a project we to

539
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control its for structure

540
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where it is an emergency and

541
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the public health and safety.

542
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We wanted to issue 20 million

543
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revenue bond, all 3 options

544
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would be able this case

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commission would be able to

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right for that project. And

547
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then the 4th project, its

548
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parks improvement general

549
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obligation bond.

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Regardless of the florida law

551
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we

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have do a referendum.

553
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>> here wanted to show some

554
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list port possible projects.

555
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>> that MAY. The future of

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finance with that. Not

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necessarily that we're going

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go and get projects just

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wanted to put in some

560
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perspective.

561
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>> and what are some possible

562
00:21:55,927 --> 00:21:57,495
projects. This is not a

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comprehensive much something

564
00:21:58,195 --> 00:22:01,766
to think about in the future.

565
00:22:01,766 --> 00:22:05,366
Some of these projects will to

566
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do.

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>> wanted to recap.

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>> recommended options option.

569
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One is the one that

570
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recommending.

571
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>> commission would be

572
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raising, we'd be able to

573
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authorized to issue debt for

574
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emergency. As as I mentioned

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declared a local state and

576
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federal emergency in public

577
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health and safety. With option

578
00:22:36,768 --> 00:22:40,368
we with the city follow state

579
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long. And then option is where

580
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we would parameters and

581
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bonding with medication.

582
00:22:48,513 --> 00:22:48,913
>> with exceptions bill you'll

583
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be able to.

584
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Also raise our current just

585
00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:02,291
wanted to.

586
00:23:04,896 --> 00:23:08,945
Talk as you all know the city

587
00:23:08,945 --> 00:23:11,345
is still recovering. Through

588
00:23:13,771 --> 00:23:16,171
hurricane here we have

589
00:23:17,275 --> 00:23:20,275
activity from ian. And some

590
00:23:22,347 --> 00:23:23,480
project costs. This is not a

591
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,480
comprehensive list of all of

592
00:23:26,351 --> 00:23:29,351
costs this is cost as

593
00:23:32,356 --> 00:23:33,491
>> time we pulled.

594
00:23:33,491 --> 00:23:36,491
>> but due to a financial

595
00:23:37,428 --> 00:23:41,280
policies that the city had we

596
00:23:41,165 --> 00:23:44,165
able to cover all activities

597
00:23:45,136 --> 00:23:45,770
while we wait for fema and

598
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:47,606
insurance reimbursement.

599
00:23:47,606 --> 00:23:48,239
Wanted to point out what if it

600
00:23:48,239 --> 00:23:48,940
was in that day and that

601
00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:51,940
happened within just a short

602
00:23:52,377 --> 00:23:53,111
period time.

603
00:23:53,111 --> 00:23:53,811
>> I don't know if we put able

604
00:23:53,811 --> 00:23:56,811
to finance with our current.

605
00:24:03,721 --> 00:24:04,789
>> cash on hand to do it not

606
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:05,422
that would strain city's

607
00:24:05,422 --> 00:24:07,822
finances and eventually a

608
00:24:11,963 --> 00:24:15,563
brisk on the credit. Wanted to

609
00:24:17,668 --> 00:24:18,369
show 70 and was example.

610
00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:21,369
Damage from to water control

611
00:24:22,573 --> 00:24:25,573
structure within you know we

612
00:24:26,778 --> 00:24:29,778
have price roads peeler we

613
00:24:33,952 --> 00:24:36,352
have chancellor there. Stated

614
00:24:42,293 --> 00:24:42,994
earlier. If we need to borrow.

615
00:24:42,994 --> 00:24:43,627
>> and they have an emergency

616
00:24:43,627 --> 00:24:46,627
our current you have rent

617
00:24:48,699 --> 00:24:49,334
them. As you all know where

618
00:24:49,334 --> 00:24:51,734
primary and general only

619
00:24:55,373 --> 00:24:56,400
occur. Every years. We could

620
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,400
go to special elections but

621
00:25:00,411 --> 00:25:02,811
special elections, time. We

622
00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:03,647
have to get supervisor of

623
00:25:03,647 --> 00:25:04,282
election and the cost of

624
00:25:04,282 --> 00:25:06,682
special elections about a

625
00:25:10,454 --> 00:25:11,890
100,000. When there haim it

626
00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:14,890
also has money is there's

627
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:18,590
inflation. So just wanted to

628
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:19,964
reiterate our current process.

629
00:25:19,964 --> 00:25:20,532
It's restricts our ability to

630
00:25:20,532 --> 00:25:22,532
respond to emergency

631
00:25:23,434 --> 00:25:25,434
situations. Critical

632
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:31,740
infrastructure. Includes a

633
00:25:38,215 --> 00:25:40,215
presentation which. Okay.

634
00:25:40,251 --> 00:25:40,918
>> what I like to do is

635
00:25:40,918 --> 00:25:41,652
opening up to commissioner

636
00:25:41,652 --> 00:25:43,654
questions I like to go without

637
00:25:43,654 --> 00:25:47,254
a court order. That's all of

638
00:25:48,225 --> 00:25:50,225
you

639
00:25:51,495 --> 00:25:52,964
>> and then.

640
00:25:52,964 --> 00:25:55,232
>> have around if you have a

641
00:25:55,232 --> 00:25:57,632
question regarding though that

642
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:01,338
commissioners question. So

643
00:26:01,338 --> 00:26:02,140
that we stay on the topic

644
00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:02,874
because I found workshop

645
00:26:02,874 --> 00:26:05,874
sometimes we bounce around and

646
00:26:06,744 --> 00:26:07,378
I'd like to get something.

647
00:26:07,378 --> 00:26:08,246
Clear through rather than

648
00:26:08,246 --> 00:26:08,980
having to come back and

649
00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:10,148
revisit it I made myself clear

650
00:26:10,148 --> 00:26:12,750
that's how like to do that and

651
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:13,417
before we do that like the

652
00:26:13,417 --> 00:26:14,952
record to recognize former

653
00:26:14,952 --> 00:26:17,952
commissioner tom jones in the

654
00:26:22,927 --> 00:26:27,127
audience. I don't. It is a it.

655
00:26:28,633 --> 00:26:29,567
>> all right I'll start much.

656
00:26:29,567 --> 00:26:30,401
>> yeah, I didn't really have

657
00:26:30,401 --> 00:26:31,101
any through fairly thoroughly

658
00:26:31,101 --> 00:26:34,370
I want to hear what the other

659
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:34,738
commissioners had to and on

660
00:26:34,738 --> 00:26:38,338
the question part of that but

661
00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:41,542
I'll save my comments. Have

662
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,800
any questions. Sounds good.

663
00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:55,890
Question's only. What was the

664
00:26:59,496 --> 00:27:02,496
law you recommend option want.

665
00:27:04,869 --> 00:27:06,869
What your thinking.

666
00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:11,740
>> take what happened.

667
00:27:13,811 --> 00:27:14,712
>> wanted to be able to.

668
00:27:14,712 --> 00:27:16,712
>> issue bonds increase

669
00:27:17,881 --> 00:27:20,281
emergency situations. So we

670
00:27:23,153 --> 00:27:23,821
thought this point. And bonds

671
00:27:23,821 --> 00:27:26,821
when there is an emergency

672
00:27:31,128 --> 00:27:31,795
that is crucial

673
00:27:31,795 --> 00:27:34,831
>> are we want to make that

674
00:27:34,831 --> 00:27:37,231
what we recommend you.

675
00:27:38,769 --> 00:27:39,470
>> show that we're not looking

676
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:43,107
for a. We have already us you

677
00:27:43,107 --> 00:27:43,740
to be able to issue.

678
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:44,408
>> well I'm a half of the

679
00:27:44,408 --> 00:27:47,408
citizens. But what we want

680
00:27:48,445 --> 00:27:49,147
something that the texas. Case

681
00:27:49,147 --> 00:27:52,282
also and you know that public

682
00:27:52,282 --> 00:27:52,983
statement taken care of life

683
00:27:52,983 --> 00:27:55,983
like the most important thing

684
00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:57,187
that we do with the government

685
00:27:57,187 --> 00:27:57,821
being able to react to those

686
00:27:57,821 --> 00:28:00,221
needs situations that are

687
00:28:02,626 --> 00:28:03,294
timely important.

688
00:28:03,294 --> 00:28:03,995
>> and that obviously that

689
00:28:03,995 --> 00:28:07,595
makes lot of sense was going

690
00:28:07,864 --> 00:28:08,565
conduct an emergency. With

691
00:28:08,565 --> 00:28:11,565
regard to our water structure

692
00:28:11,935 --> 00:28:14,138
richard so. I think we're at a

693
00:28:14,138 --> 00:28:17,738
pace of about one possibly to

694
00:28:18,776 --> 00:28:20,911
a year which at at that pace

695
00:28:20,911 --> 00:28:22,413
would take us about 30 years

696
00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:23,113
to work our way through those

697
00:28:23,113 --> 00:28:23,747
certainly don't constitute an

698
00:28:23,747 --> 00:28:25,747
emergency unless there's

699
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,520
another but. Certainly

700
00:28:32,756 --> 00:28:33,290
represents serious issue to

701
00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:33,925
our city and to our

702
00:28:33,925 --> 00:28:35,925
infrastructure ability to

703
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,867
develop and grow. I I guess

704
00:28:43,867 --> 00:28:44,534
what I'm saying I mean I sort

705
00:28:44,534 --> 00:28:45,202
of know the answer to this

706
00:28:45,202 --> 00:28:48,202
question with the same time

707
00:28:49,473 --> 00:28:52,109
like to hear it is. Why not

708
00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:55,109
address the elephant in the

709
00:28:55,179 --> 00:28:56,179
room which we have serious

710
00:28:56,179 --> 00:28:57,381
infrastructure and

711
00:28:57,381 --> 00:28:59,381
transportation road project

712
00:29:00,317 --> 00:29:01,318
issues in this city that we're

713
00:29:01,318 --> 00:29:02,190
severely hampered from

714
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:02,719
addressing because we have to

715
00:29:02,719 --> 00:29:03,654
go to a referendum to borrow

716
00:29:03,654 --> 00:29:05,923
money for anything you know,

717
00:29:05,923 --> 00:29:10,123
and you know if we don't take

718
00:29:10,194 --> 00:29:10,928
that approach. We basically

719
00:29:10,928 --> 00:29:11,562
for going to be opportunity of

720
00:29:11,562 --> 00:29:14,562
ever getting ahead of the

721
00:29:14,965 --> 00:29:15,699
curve on this.

722
00:29:15,699 --> 00:29:19,299
>> the reason why that was not

723
00:29:20,104 --> 00:29:20,737
included was well will start

724
00:29:20,737 --> 00:29:21,371
fail and it automatically

725
00:29:21,371 --> 00:29:23,771
covid public safety alert

726
00:29:24,341 --> 00:29:27,341
which qualifies it. Fact out

727
00:29:29,145 --> 00:29:29,880
others had a lack of planning

728
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,816
or for maintenance that led us

729
00:29:32,816 --> 00:29:33,484
to this point and I mean over

730
00:29:33,484 --> 00:29:36,484
decades not over the course

731
00:29:39,323 --> 00:29:39,690
recent memory when the singer.

732
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:40,390
One here.

733
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:41,558
>> we need to figure that out

734
00:29:41,558 --> 00:29:42,892
within our budget which is

735
00:29:42,892 --> 00:29:43,961
allowed on the books permit to

736
00:29:43,961 --> 00:29:44,694
do that and we need something

737
00:29:44,694 --> 00:29:48,666
in addition to that we come to

738
00:29:48,666 --> 00:29:49,366
you and say now point where we

739
00:29:49,366 --> 00:29:51,702
need to. Addressed that issue

740
00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,504
so issue could be brought that

741
00:29:54,504 --> 00:29:56,504
for bonnie opportunities.

742
00:29:57,641 --> 00:29:58,342
Addition to public safety or

743
00:29:58,342 --> 00:29:59,900
emergency, but they shouldn't

744
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,609
sort of just be included in

745
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,447
here because big could.

746
00:30:06,116 --> 00:30:07,884
>> we out that outs out

747
00:30:07,884 --> 00:30:08,652
operate outside the bounds of

748
00:30:08,652 --> 00:30:09,286
what we would call something

749
00:30:09,286 --> 00:30:12,286
that was emergency and a

750
00:30:16,227 --> 00:30:16,993
public meeting at

751
00:30:16,993 --> 00:30:17,695
>> good okay does anybody have

752
00:30:17,695 --> 00:30:20,950
any questions with reference

753
00:30:22,332 --> 00:30:23,660
what vice mayor asked about

754
00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:26,660
that situation. While we're on

755
00:30:27,371 --> 00:30:29,371
that topic.

756
00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:33,644
>> commissioner mcdowell.

757
00:30:33,644 --> 00:30:35,112
>> just to make sure that I am

758
00:30:35,112 --> 00:30:37,512
clear on the differences

759
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:44,721
general. General obligation

760
00:30:44,721 --> 00:30:48,321
bond and the revenue bonds to

761
00:30:48,792 --> 00:30:50,260
please kind of walk me not

762
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:50,727
just for myself to make sure

763
00:30:50,727 --> 00:30:53,727
I'm understanding it. But for

764
00:30:54,631 --> 00:30:57,310
the citizens. Because it's

765
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,603
bond but what are distinctive

766
00:30:59,603 --> 00:31:02,300
differences between the 2. In

767
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,720
a nutshell.

768
00:31:05,976 --> 00:31:07,976
>> yeah, general obligation

769
00:31:09,846 --> 00:31:10,547
bond controlled by. For its

770
00:31:10,547 --> 00:31:12,820
constitution which and that's

771
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:15,151
what we used to pay that you

772
00:31:15,151 --> 00:31:18,151
have a impact. Whereas a.

773
00:31:21,959 --> 00:31:22,692
Revenue. As got to pay other

774
00:31:22,692 --> 00:31:25,692
revenue sources. Hey for those

775
00:31:26,796 --> 00:31:29,796
box. Not for impact. Another

776
00:31:30,534 --> 00:31:32,934
controller for look the

777
00:31:36,573 --> 00:31:38,573
national

778
00:31:40,443 --> 00:31:41,144
>> where is assessment all

779
00:31:41,144 --> 00:31:42,179
because I don't see it listed

780
00:31:42,179 --> 00:31:44,179
in here.

781
00:31:45,182 --> 00:31:47,582
>> and the revenue bonds.

782
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:56,623
>> so so. It okay. Thank you

783
00:31:57,794 --> 00:31:58,528
for that.

784
00:31:58,528 --> 00:31:59,195
>> I have no further questions

785
00:31:59,195 --> 00:32:01,999
on that one, but I do have

786
00:32:01,999 --> 00:32:03,999
other questions.

787
00:32:10,106 --> 00:32:10,774
>> I had a question about.

788
00:32:10,774 --> 00:32:12,442
County tap which you said a

789
00:32:12,442 --> 00:32:14,344
17 million it was in 2003 and

790
00:32:14,344 --> 00:32:16,146
now it's about 28 ok news

791
00:32:16,146 --> 00:32:16,680
that's per project is that

792
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,248
only do they have a

793
00:32:18,248 --> 00:32:19,549
stipulation I'm sorry I missed

794
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:20,216
it emergencies and public

795
00:32:20,216 --> 00:32:20,884
health and safety only

796
00:32:20,884 --> 00:32:22,785
anything any project below

797
00:32:22,785 --> 00:32:25,785
that amount. We're not require

798
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,997
it. Okay. And they have that

799
00:32:33,997 --> 00:32:35,632
in place in general since 2003

800
00:32:35,632 --> 00:32:38,632
that's when limit was set

801
00:32:40,804 --> 00:32:43,804
right as a 2003. Equated every

802
00:32:45,442 --> 00:32:47,411
year it's to a price index

803
00:32:47,411 --> 00:32:48,845
since that all right and then

804
00:32:48,845 --> 00:32:50,680
emergency situation would we

805
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,314
already have grandmothers for

806
00:32:51,314 --> 00:32:51,981
that what constitutes an

807
00:32:51,981 --> 00:32:53,981
emergency situation where's

808
00:32:54,117 --> 00:32:58,121
that in port. Here in the city

809
00:32:58,121 --> 00:32:58,721
know,

810
00:32:58,721 --> 00:33:01,121
>> it would what you're

811
00:33:02,910 --> 00:33:03,160
proposing recommending is

812
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,861
emergency for public safety.

813
00:33:04,861 --> 00:33:05,495
So we only have 2 grandmothers

814
00:33:05,495 --> 00:33:06,196
in place for when it's an

815
00:33:06,196 --> 00:33:08,650
emergency we have officially

816
00:33:08,650 --> 00:33:10,650
declare it.

817
00:33:10,567 --> 00:33:11,267
>> carry emergency, yes, but 2

818
00:33:11,267 --> 00:33:15,467
but take a bond out based on

819
00:33:18,141 --> 00:33:18,841
that now. Know every in port.

820
00:33:18,841 --> 00:33:20,143
City the bond any moment any

821
00:33:20,143 --> 00:33:23,743
money that we're trying to to

822
00:33:24,113 --> 00:33:24,780
get require a referendum.

823
00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:25,515
Regardless of what is right

824
00:33:25,515 --> 00:33:28,951
right where that money comes a

825
00:33:28,951 --> 00:33:29,920
case.

826
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,620
>> all right and and it was

827
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:32,489
mentioned it apos a $100,000

828
00:33:32,489 --> 00:33:35,489
for a special election. Right

829
00:33:40,764 --> 00:33:43,764
now. Okay. The question here.

830
00:33:48,271 --> 00:33:48,972
I teach. See okay. Back to

831
00:33:48,972 --> 00:33:51,972
commissioner emerged to do a

832
00:34:00,316 --> 00:34:00,983
question question.

833
00:34:00,983 --> 00:34:01,618
>> now for going under the

834
00:34:01,618 --> 00:34:02,885
emergency status and then

835
00:34:02,885 --> 00:34:05,285
you're talking about option.

836
00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:08,791
Does that mean that. Regular

837
00:34:08,791 --> 00:34:09,493
maintenance of stuff in

838
00:34:09,493 --> 00:34:10,160
projects would not have to go

839
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,760
to referendum or is it just

840
00:34:13,863 --> 00:34:15,699
emergency.

841
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:17,300
>> if if it would be just

842
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,900
emergency and then I'm just a

843
00:34:21,238 --> 00:34:23,440
reminder bonding it would. For

844
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,207
the majority has to be capital

845
00:34:24,207 --> 00:34:27,430
projects that can be just

846
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:27,743
regular maintenance and major

847
00:34:27,743 --> 00:34:28,412
projects and stuff like that

848
00:34:28,412 --> 00:34:32,120
because you did put up the

849
00:34:32,982 --> 00:34:34,885
police station.

850
00:34:34,885 --> 00:34:36,530
>> and that right now is not

851
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:38,321
emergency status, so that

852
00:34:38,321 --> 00:34:39,560
would fall under the emergency

853
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,256
that would still have to go to

854
00:34:43,527 --> 00:34:45,527
referendum.

855
00:34:46,863 --> 00:34:49,980
>> the other 2 options with 2

856
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:52,698
in 2, to and that's all I

857
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:56,305
thank you. Now it has to do

858
00:34:56,305 --> 00:34:58,705
with this emergency definition

859
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,412
because. What happens because

860
00:35:06,149 --> 00:35:06,749
of hurricane ian everybody's I

861
00:35:06,749 --> 00:35:07,316
would assume absolutely

862
00:35:07,316 --> 00:35:10,316
equates to what is an

863
00:35:12,221 --> 00:35:14,621
emergency. I'm I'm very

864
00:35:15,959 --> 00:35:18,359
concerned. Who determines and

865
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,960
how is that 2 tournament as to

866
00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:24,133
what is an emergency. How is

867
00:35:24,133 --> 00:35:25,301
it determined by emergency is

868
00:35:25,301 --> 00:35:26,200
that determined by the

869
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:26,569
commission is that determined

870
00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:27,304
by city managers that

871
00:35:27,304 --> 00:35:30,304
determined by finance. How is

872
00:35:35,545 --> 00:35:37,380
that defined. Defines it. That

873
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:37,747
to me is the crux of it

874
00:35:37,747 --> 00:35:39,747
because.

875
00:35:41,117 --> 00:35:44,117
>> like when the pool, the

876
00:35:45,822 --> 00:35:46,455
pool sale. And it could have.

877
00:35:46,455 --> 00:35:48,855
Been classified when our

878
00:35:50,993 --> 00:35:51,293
original or that was 60 years

879
00:35:51,293 --> 00:35:51,962
old.

880
00:35:51,962 --> 00:35:53,162
>> was failing hayes is an

881
00:35:53,162 --> 00:35:53,963
emergency we have to make

882
00:35:53,963 --> 00:35:54,697
emergency repairs to this pool

883
00:35:54,697 --> 00:35:55,298
or we're going to shut it down

884
00:35:55,298 --> 00:35:58,298
and now the pool isn't

885
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:02,705
working. Is that emergency.

886
00:36:02,705 --> 00:36:03,806
>> PRESIDENT Not so I'm very

887
00:36:03,806 --> 00:36:06,206
concerned and cautious about

888
00:36:06,809 --> 00:36:07,510
how that's done so maybe you

889
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:08,244
can help me or maybe this is

890
00:36:08,244 --> 00:36:11,244
something that's going to have

891
00:36:13,516 --> 00:36:14,217
to come back. A little k so.

892
00:36:14,217 --> 00:36:14,884
>> hopefully the commission's

893
00:36:14,884 --> 00:36:15,585
going to have to determine

894
00:36:15,585 --> 00:36:19,185
whether or not the city isn't

895
00:36:22,558 --> 00:36:23,258
take out a possum.

896
00:36:23,258 --> 00:36:26,129
Depending on how language is

897
00:36:26,129 --> 00:36:26,729
traffic if says that the what

898
00:36:26,729 --> 00:36:29,132
it once in emergency is

899
00:36:29,132 --> 00:36:31,132
declared either. PRESIDENT

900
00:36:33,469 --> 00:36:34,103
Governor this book was body.

901
00:36:34,103 --> 00:36:34,804
then this commission can

902
00:36:34,804 --> 00:36:35,371
determine there's there's an

903
00:36:35,371 --> 00:36:36,539
emergency related to.

904
00:36:36,539 --> 00:36:39,539
Something that needs to the

905
00:36:39,909 --> 00:36:40,543
repair. The commission at the

906
00:36:40,543 --> 00:36:43,543
time will determine is an

907
00:36:44,414 --> 00:36:45,470
emergency. They say this is an

908
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:46,482
emergency we need to get

909
00:36:46,482 --> 00:36:47,950
prepared because it's going to

910
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:50,252
but the city versus. Have a

911
00:36:50,252 --> 00:36:52,154
crack in the pool. The

912
00:36:52,154 --> 00:36:54,690
commission term of the bat an

913
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:57,900
emergency they're pretty. I'm

914
00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:00,830
living abroad. They are able

915
00:37:00,830 --> 00:37:03,830
to the things that you

916
00:37:04,901 --> 00:37:07,301
wouldn't mistake think time.

917
00:37:09,238 --> 00:37:11,238
>> so.

918
00:37:12,541 --> 00:37:13,208
>> when you say it's in a

919
00:37:13,208 --> 00:37:15,477
declared emergency. And it

920
00:37:15,477 --> 00:37:17,877
says local federal. State

921
00:37:22,152 --> 00:37:22,785
declarations. If if there's a

922
00:37:22,785 --> 00:37:24,387
federal declaration that

923
00:37:24,387 --> 00:37:27,387
somewhere in the country with

924
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:30,526
that and mind.

925
00:37:30,526 --> 00:37:32,926
>> these are my concerns

926
00:37:34,964 --> 00:37:35,664
because there could be a state

927
00:37:35,664 --> 00:37:36,398
emergency. That doesn't even

928
00:37:36,398 --> 00:37:38,100
affect yes, yes, that's a good

929
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:38,768
question we would.

930
00:37:38,768 --> 00:37:39,401
>> we've gotten such a way

931
00:37:39,401 --> 00:37:42,401
that it would be limited

932
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,939
affecting. If cleared

933
00:37:43,939 --> 00:37:47,539
throughout the city or I can

934
00:37:48,444 --> 00:37:49,278
see. The language itself

935
00:37:49,278 --> 00:37:49,946
hasn't been written yet would

936
00:37:49,946 --> 00:37:51,130
know that is that it looks

937
00:37:51,130 --> 00:37:51,647
like that of course that we

938
00:37:51,647 --> 00:37:54,470
something you would take

939
00:38:00,623 --> 00:38:01,657
mission. What if.

940
00:38:01,657 --> 00:38:04,657
>> going back to my pool

941
00:38:05,461 --> 00:38:08,461
example. What if there isn't

942
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:09,766
an a declared emergency. You

943
00:38:09,766 --> 00:38:12,166
know hurricane ian obviously

944
00:38:14,504 --> 00:38:15,438
is a declared emergency but

945
00:38:15,438 --> 00:38:16,172
the pool has to get fixed or

946
00:38:16,172 --> 00:38:17,106
it's going to get shut down in

947
00:38:17,106 --> 00:38:20,106
this is an emergency repair.

948
00:38:24,113 --> 00:38:26,716
But it's not too clear.

949
00:38:26,716 --> 00:38:27,750
>> but you but we said the

950
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:28,451
city would to the commission

951
00:38:28,451 --> 00:38:31,220
as what we believe cause that

952
00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:31,954
is an emergency we have to be

953
00:38:31,954 --> 00:38:34,189
approved by this board. So the

954
00:38:34,189 --> 00:38:34,890
commission itself with the

955
00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:37,290
tournament. The parameters we

956
00:38:38,193 --> 00:38:41,798
did we give us. Over in this

957
00:38:41,798 --> 00:38:44,198
direction pathway that world

958
00:38:46,535 --> 00:38:47,603
we would bring you woods is an

959
00:38:47,603 --> 00:38:48,504
example of.

960
00:38:48,504 --> 00:38:50,504
>> either infrastructure

961
00:38:51,307 --> 00:38:52,410
issues or problems that MAY

962
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:52,742
come up a do or don't qualify

963
00:38:52,742 --> 00:38:54,711
put them in front of you for

964
00:38:54,711 --> 00:38:57,111
your consideration any budget

965
00:38:59,582 --> 00:39:00,449
only by the commission.

966
00:39:00,449 --> 00:39:01,751
Direction would only get

967
00:39:01,751 --> 00:39:04,751
approved for us issue do.

968
00:39:08,157 --> 00:39:08,824
Thank you for that.

969
00:39:08,824 --> 00:39:09,558
>> that's all ahead on that

970
00:39:09,558 --> 00:39:11,193
subject mayor, I don't know if

971
00:39:11,193 --> 00:39:13,593
anybody else wants piggyback

972
00:39:15,163 --> 00:39:15,865
off that you had my man.

973
00:39:15,865 --> 00:39:19,435
>> so basically if we were to

974
00:39:19,435 --> 00:39:23,350
go in this direction. We could

975
00:39:25,374 --> 00:39:27,576
ease not we could. We could

976
00:39:27,576 --> 00:39:28,945
create a combination emergency

977
00:39:28,945 --> 00:39:29,645
declarations in other words we

978
00:39:29,645 --> 00:39:32,448
could say we could clean more

979
00:39:32,448 --> 00:39:35,150
clearly define it. We could

980
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:39,350
say we're there to be a local

981
00:39:40,389 --> 00:39:41,900
state or federal. Emergency

982
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,490
declaration which effects the

983
00:39:44,226 --> 00:39:47,226
city in port. The city

984
00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:49,429
commission in addition

985
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,900
consider sent an emergency. I

986
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,900
mean it triggers our ability

987
00:39:58,808 --> 00:39:59,475
to. Incur debt. So it's in

988
00:39:59,475 --> 00:40:00,142
that definition and that's

989
00:40:00,142 --> 00:40:03,142
something we could with you

990
00:40:04,347 --> 00:40:06,747
know. Weigle and whatever

991
00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:10,286
additional support im put I

992
00:40:10,286 --> 00:40:13,540
mean you could bring that back

993
00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:14,890
to us so we could create that

994
00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:15,490
kind condition that might

995
00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:16,910
create a comfort level

996
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:18,491
obviously the red here

997
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,227
commission with bell says we

998
00:40:19,227 --> 00:40:19,895
don't want to create a car

999
00:40:19,895 --> 00:40:22,895
launch situation but we do

1000
00:40:23,732 --> 00:40:24,333
want to protect the city and

1001
00:40:24,333 --> 00:40:26,733
its ability to address

1002
00:40:29,605 --> 00:40:30,373
emergencies. And GOD forbid we

1003
00:40:30,373 --> 00:40:31,600
did another emergency like ian

1004
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,176
in the short term and we

1005
00:40:34,176 --> 00:40:36,211
didn't have to really that the

1006
00:40:36,211 --> 00:40:38,611
financial wherewithal we had

1007
00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:42,380
we would have been tough spot.

1008
00:40:43,953 --> 00:40:44,586
And and it would cost what

1009
00:40:44,586 --> 00:40:45,321
because we wouldn't any

1010
00:40:45,321 --> 00:40:48,921
ability to borrow the money we

1011
00:40:48,991 --> 00:40:51,391
needed to address debris

1012
00:40:52,828 --> 00:40:53,496
removal, all kinds

1013
00:40:53,496 --> 00:40:54,230
infrastructure replacement,

1014
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:55,264
you know it is important we do

1015
00:40:55,264 --> 00:40:55,897
this is just important we do

1016
00:40:55,897 --> 00:40:57,132
it in a way that creates

1017
00:40:57,132 --> 00:41:00,132
enough protection so that our

1018
00:41:00,302 --> 00:41:02,702
citizens. Have that comfort

1019
00:41:04,273 --> 00:41:06,508
level to know that there are

1020
00:41:06,508 --> 00:41:07,750
some good and strong

1021
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:09,750
restrictions and and

1022
00:41:09,645 --> 00:41:10,346
identifiable and the amateurs

1023
00:41:10,346 --> 00:41:13,946
because in order to make this

1024
00:41:14,716 --> 00:41:17,716
change. We're going ask them.

1025
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:19,722
The vote on so you know it

1026
00:41:19,722 --> 00:41:20,890
needs to be very clear it

1027
00:41:20,890 --> 00:41:21,557
needs to be concise should be

1028
00:41:21,557 --> 00:41:23,957
something that the public's

1029
00:41:24,126 --> 00:41:24,793
going to understand so that

1030
00:41:24,793 --> 00:41:25,527
they don't think we're just

1031
00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:28,430
asking for card wants to spend

1032
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:32,300
dollars. So I some that could

1033
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:33,669
be done. That's that's.

1034
00:41:33,669 --> 00:41:34,369
>> what for today also

1035
00:41:34,369 --> 00:41:34,669
direction of what you like to

1036
00:41:34,669 --> 00:41:36,669
see.

1037
00:41:37,439 --> 00:41:39,439
>> and we can

1038
00:41:44,479 --> 00:41:45,146
>> that for your

1039
00:41:45,146 --> 00:41:45,781
>> I just want to provide a

1040
00:41:45,781 --> 00:41:48,181
little bit of additional

1041
00:41:48,583 --> 00:41:49,151
clarification an option number

1042
00:41:49,151 --> 00:41:51,551
one. There's a couple

1043
00:41:53,522 --> 00:41:54,256
different moving parts in so

1044
00:41:54,256 --> 00:41:58,456
for example you have to be you

1045
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,228
read the port commission MAY

1046
00:41:59,228 --> 00:41:59,828
authorize debt for declared

1047
00:41:59,828 --> 00:42:02,164
local state or federal

1048
00:42:02,164 --> 00:42:04,564
emergency. That's what I

1049
00:42:07,602 --> 00:42:08,503
second night. Public health

1050
00:42:08,503 --> 00:42:11,503
and here's some items under

1051
00:42:14,777 --> 00:42:15,211
that public health and safety.

1052
00:42:15,211 --> 00:42:15,844
First bullet.

1053
00:42:15,844 --> 00:42:17,212
>> response to regulatory

1054
00:42:17,212 --> 00:42:18,460
certainty to put that back up

1055
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,616
because yeah that's I just it

1056
00:42:20,616 --> 00:42:22,616
change chain.

1057
00:42:22,618 --> 00:42:25,180
>> over the weekend haha.

1058
00:42:27,656 --> 00:42:28,290
Okay, so that we can see what

1059
00:42:28,290 --> 00:42:30,290
you're saying appreciate

1060
00:42:30,425 --> 00:42:31,930
problem. Thank you michael.

1061
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:34,930
>> so the second for public

1062
00:42:35,497 --> 00:42:36,498
health and safety. Under

1063
00:42:36,498 --> 00:42:37,733
public so health and safety

1064
00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:38,434
there's a couple of items, the

1065
00:42:38,434 --> 00:42:40,834
first response to regulatory

1066
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:45,774
agency. For example swiftmud

1067
00:42:45,774 --> 00:42:46,975
supports or water management

1068
00:42:46,975 --> 00:42:47,710
district department amendment

1069
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:50,279
protection and they tell us is

1070
00:42:50,279 --> 00:42:50,846
the city we need to do

1071
00:42:50,846 --> 00:42:51,546
something. So this is

1072
00:42:51,546 --> 00:42:53,215
something cases going to come

1073
00:42:53,215 --> 00:42:56,652
to the commission for us. This

1074
00:42:56,652 --> 00:43:00,252
is the second item under this

1075
00:43:01,423 --> 00:43:02,230
public health and safety

1076
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:03,158
bullet. Infrastructure,

1077
00:43:03,158 --> 00:43:03,892
including roads bridges, water

1078
00:43:03,892 --> 00:43:05,892
control structures, sanitation

1079
00:43:06,494 --> 00:43:10,940
water and sewer. So need to

1080
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:11,766
put something in not.

1081
00:43:11,766 --> 00:43:12,400
>> in an emergency basis we

1082
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,000
just this week we need to

1083
00:43:16,337 --> 00:43:17,500
water control structure. And

1084
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:17,639
for that I be coming to the

1085
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:18,606
commission as well any of

1086
00:43:18,606 --> 00:43:21,600
those infrastructure items. In

1087
00:43:22,544 --> 00:43:25,214
the 3rd bullet. Police fire

1088
00:43:25,214 --> 00:43:28,214
declared a disaster. So police

1089
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,520
and fire MAY have a need. So

1090
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:31,754
what's included under option.

1091
00:43:31,754 --> 00:43:34,690
Number one, we tried to do is

1092
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:35,357
not only cover the emergencies

1093
00:43:35,357 --> 00:43:37,590
but some public safety type

1094
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:39,590
things and infrastructure.

1095
00:43:39,928 --> 00:43:40,528
That can be very expensive

1096
00:43:40,528 --> 00:43:42,831
that would be included

1097
00:43:42,831 --> 00:43:45,231
underneath book this option.

1098
00:43:47,168 --> 00:43:49,168
Thank

1099
00:43:49,337 --> 00:43:50,305
>> yeah, I appreciate that is

1100
00:43:50,305 --> 00:43:53,410
actually that was going to be

1101
00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:53,842
basis of my my questions that

1102
00:43:53,842 --> 00:43:56,842
we do have 2 segments we're

1103
00:43:57,892 --> 00:43:58,350
not just talking about

1104
00:43:58,350 --> 00:43:58,141
declared emergencies. That

1105
00:43:58,141 --> 00:44:01,141
it's other things that can

1106
00:44:04,185 --> 00:44:05,254
come up that need to be

1107
00:44:05,254 --> 00:44:06,321
infrastructure, including

1108
00:44:06,321 --> 00:44:07,523
roads in our control

1109
00:44:07,523 --> 00:44:08,590
structures that that's when

1110
00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:09,558
something happens. That's not

1111
00:44:09,558 --> 00:44:10,992
related to an emergency, but

1112
00:44:10,992 --> 00:44:14,362
it's got be taken care of. I'm

1113
00:44:14,362 --> 00:44:15,630
thinking about. And you

1114
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:18,630
remember this the great flood

1115
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:22,738
of 92. When the water control

1116
00:44:22,738 --> 00:44:25,138
structures wouldn't work and

1117
00:44:26,410 --> 00:44:26,741
then a day just collapse that

1118
00:44:26,741 --> 00:44:28,476
wasn't in the clair emergency

1119
00:44:28,476 --> 00:44:29,444
that was just a lot of rain we

1120
00:44:29,444 --> 00:44:32,147
had. But that had to be taken

1121
00:44:32,147 --> 00:44:33,615
care of so that this this

1122
00:44:33,615 --> 00:44:34,983
would apply in that situation

1123
00:44:34,983 --> 00:44:39,183
this has to get fixed. And we

1124
00:44:40,722 --> 00:44:41,422
could. Authorized and that we

1125
00:44:41,422 --> 00:44:42,424
would is still to come before

1126
00:44:42,424 --> 00:44:44,492
the commission correct. Yes,

1127
00:44:44,492 --> 00:44:47,492
so either way everything was

1128
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:48,730
still come before any

1129
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:51,730
commission. So this would be

1130
00:44:51,867 --> 00:44:52,601
in the future any sitting

1131
00:44:52,601 --> 00:44:53,768
commissioners. They would have

1132
00:44:53,768 --> 00:44:56,168
decide whether it warrants

1133
00:44:59,740 --> 00:44:59,707
winning getting a bond. City

1134
00:44:59,707 --> 00:45:01,943
manager I don't speak it

1135
00:45:01,943 --> 00:45:02,577
causes. MADAM Mayor for.

1136
00:45:02,577 --> 00:45:05,577
>> he was in addition to

1137
00:45:06,114 --> 00:45:06,782
remember realize that. We do

1138
00:45:06,782 --> 00:45:08,716
want to ensure that the the

1139
00:45:08,716 --> 00:45:09,351
situations that were. One

1140
00:45:09,351 --> 00:45:11,751
person mostly what we're

1141
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:14,823
seeing. We do want to it seem

1142
00:45:14,823 --> 00:45:15,524
like that we're going to just

1143
00:45:15,524 --> 00:45:18,493
start borrowing money to fix

1144
00:45:18,493 --> 00:45:19,194
things but out people having

1145
00:45:19,194 --> 00:45:21,696
their say so in those things

1146
00:45:21,696 --> 00:45:24,696
that wouldn't be hit that

1147
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:26,701
we're trying carry out. It be

1148
00:45:26,701 --> 00:45:27,903
the word emergency in the

1149
00:45:27,903 --> 00:45:31,503
public in all of the public

1150
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:32,807
health and safety item. We do

1151
00:45:32,807 --> 00:45:33,908
need to make sure that the

1152
00:45:33,908 --> 00:45:34,643
language is clear that it was

1153
00:45:34,643 --> 00:45:36,812
mostly on pushing so that it's

1154
00:45:36,812 --> 00:45:37,678
not something that's a look at

1155
00:45:37,678 --> 00:45:38,380
say. Well you didn't prepare

1156
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:41,980
properly. And now you want us

1157
00:45:44,886 --> 00:45:46,688
to react quickly that's not.

1158
00:45:46,688 --> 00:45:47,923
>> right and I appreciate that

1159
00:45:47,923 --> 00:45:48,590
because I'm thinking could

1160
00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:49,190
have a road bridge collapse

1161
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:51,459
has nothing to do with

1162
00:45:51,459 --> 00:45:54,596
anything else. But it. And and

1163
00:45:54,596 --> 00:45:55,296
that has to get it fixed. I

1164
00:45:55,296 --> 00:45:58,896
just had one of the question

1165
00:46:01,102 --> 00:46:03,505
about that the county cap.

1166
00:46:03,505 --> 00:46:06,505
>> and she was my question.

1167
00:46:10,945 --> 00:46:11,646
Come back to me. Curious

1168
00:46:11,646 --> 00:46:15,246
they would you know that has

1169
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:18,820
come before them to prove.

1170
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:19,487
They have kept does that mean

1171
00:46:19,487 --> 00:46:20,154
they'll have to come before

1172
00:46:20,154 --> 00:46:22,554
the county commissioners of

1173
00:46:23,558 --> 00:46:26,428
its over that 17 million or.

1174
00:46:26,428 --> 00:46:27,950
>> it's currently over

1175
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:27,662
228 million anyway so it's

1176
00:46:27,662 --> 00:46:30,620
over that it require

1177
00:46:30,165 --> 00:46:33,165
referendum. Okay it's under it

1178
00:46:34,135 --> 00:46:34,835
goes to the board and they

1179
00:46:34,835 --> 00:46:37,835
still approve it yet correct

1180
00:46:39,306 --> 00:46:43,506
or not okay. I that's it for

1181
00:46:44,312 --> 00:46:46,548
my questions so MISTER Image.

1182
00:46:46,548 --> 00:46:48,383
>> yeah that's that's the spot

1183
00:46:48,383 --> 00:46:49,417
where I was looking at it if

1184
00:46:49,417 --> 00:46:51,286
we didn't the commissioner

1185
00:46:51,286 --> 00:46:51,986
stokes we didn't restrictions

1186
00:46:51,986 --> 00:46:56,900
per se and let's say the cap

1187
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:56,757
is 28 million. And a tornado

1188
00:46:56,757 --> 00:46:57,392
comes through and takes out

1189
00:46:57,392 --> 00:46:59,792
the police station we're

1190
00:47:00,561 --> 00:47:01,262
looking at 50 million. We

1191
00:47:01,262 --> 00:47:01,930
would have to go back out to

1192
00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:04,930
referendum to go ahead and

1193
00:47:06,667 --> 00:47:07,368
make up that difference. Under

1194
00:47:07,368 --> 00:47:10,304
option, that we could decide

1195
00:47:10,304 --> 00:47:10,972
as a commission. To go ahead

1196
00:47:10,972 --> 00:47:12,740
and approve going out there

1197
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:13,441
and doing that.

1198
00:47:13,441 --> 00:47:15,309
>> revenue for dinner and the

1199
00:47:15,309 --> 00:47:17,309
van.

1200
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,882
>> I just want to make

1201
00:47:20,882 --> 00:47:21,682
understand there's

1202
00:47:21,682 --> 00:47:24,682
restrictions it's not a type

1203
00:47:25,486 --> 00:47:27,522
thing going out there to spend

1204
00:47:27,522 --> 00:47:28,323
spend but I don't ian came

1205
00:47:28,323 --> 00:47:29,240
through you look at the

1206
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:30,257
debris, we're looking at what

1207
00:47:30,257 --> 00:47:30,991
you have been on the slide

1208
00:47:30,991 --> 00:47:31,659
45 million dollars that we had

1209
00:47:31,659 --> 00:47:35,230
to pay out just for debris,

1210
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:39,430
cleanup. What if we did have a

1211
00:47:40,167 --> 00:47:40,901
second ian. You know. We would

1212
00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:41,603
have been stopped and we would

1213
00:47:41,603 --> 00:47:42,370
have been relying on a lot of

1214
00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:44,370
the neighboring communities.

1215
00:47:46,607 --> 00:47:49,277
And really still be stuck in

1216
00:47:49,277 --> 00:47:50,946
probably still devastated to

1217
00:47:50,946 --> 00:47:51,812
this day rather than being in

1218
00:47:51,812 --> 00:47:54,616
the position that we were and

1219
00:47:54,616 --> 00:47:55,717
getting everything cleaned up

1220
00:47:55,717 --> 00:47:57,952
quickly and getting our

1221
00:47:57,952 --> 00:47:58,653
citizens back to work and and

1222
00:47:58,653 --> 00:48:01,220
working properly there still

1223
00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:01,723
some damage out there. Yes,

1224
00:48:01,723 --> 00:48:05,827
but not as much as could have

1225
00:48:05,827 --> 00:48:06,594
that so. Yes, I just want to

1226
00:48:06,594 --> 00:48:10,198
make sure it still came to the

1227
00:48:10,198 --> 00:48:11,199
commission if it was over that

1228
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:12,867
cap or that went out to the

1229
00:48:12,867 --> 00:48:13,534
public and then now you're

1230
00:48:13,534 --> 00:48:14,235
taking time your cost more

1231
00:48:14,235 --> 00:48:17,235
special said you know they're

1232
00:48:18,673 --> 00:48:21,673
so. Thank you. All right

1233
00:48:23,111 --> 00:48:23,811
commissioner mcdowell. I

1234
00:48:23,811 --> 00:48:26,811
cannot recall when we've had

1235
00:48:27,315 --> 00:48:28,160
special election for bonds.

1236
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,717
That's always been something

1237
00:48:29,717 --> 00:48:32,717
that was done a general

1238
00:48:38,459 --> 00:48:39,526
election. So I'm not too. Sure

1239
00:48:39,526 --> 00:48:43,726
we need to be concerned with a

1240
00:48:46,434 --> 00:48:48,136
special election. But anyways

1241
00:48:48,136 --> 00:48:49,537
my my concern is we have to

1242
00:48:49,537 --> 00:48:50,171
sell this to citizens and why

1243
00:48:50,171 --> 00:48:52,571
appreciate what the city

1244
00:48:53,708 --> 00:48:54,800
manager is saying that then

1245
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:54,809
says.

1246
00:48:54,809 --> 00:48:55,543
>> for unforeseen incidences

1247
00:48:55,543 --> 00:48:57,678
like go back to what assistant

1248
00:48:57,678 --> 00:49:00,678
city manager said that sounds

1249
00:49:02,517 --> 00:49:04,619
like it's also for water

1250
00:49:04,619 --> 00:49:06,354
control structures a police

1251
00:49:06,354 --> 00:49:07,540
station and other things and

1252
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:07,688
that grant I understand it's

1253
00:49:07,688 --> 00:49:10,959
going to come back to the

1254
00:49:10,959 --> 00:49:13,959
commission. With the to be

1255
00:49:14,395 --> 00:49:15,230
able to issue the bonds.

1256
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:18,230
Thinking about how are we

1257
00:49:21,102 --> 00:49:23,971
selling this too. The citizen

1258
00:49:23,971 --> 00:49:25,206
and making sure that we have

1259
00:49:25,206 --> 00:49:26,173
parameters in place for like a

1260
00:49:26,173 --> 00:49:26,808
dollar limit I don't know

1261
00:49:26,808 --> 00:49:29,208
10 million dollars is our

1262
00:49:31,745 --> 00:49:35,345
limit. And that we then they

1263
00:49:36,517 --> 00:49:37,952
they still have authority as

1264
00:49:37,952 --> 00:49:38,586
citizens to be able to approve

1265
00:49:38,586 --> 00:49:41,586
or deny the bond request,

1266
00:49:44,858 --> 00:49:45,760
especially if it's. Revenue

1267
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
I'm wanting to get kind of

1268
00:49:49,564 --> 00:49:50,197
feedback from you guys on.

1269
00:49:50,197 --> 00:49:52,597
>> leader of the special

1270
00:49:53,301 --> 00:49:54,100
election. The fact that they

1271
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,371
have it has occurred you know

1272
00:49:57,371 --> 00:49:58,720
frequency you mentioned in the

1273
00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:58,840
past put in there because if

1274
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,840
there was an emergency really

1275
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:02,677
need to then go have special

1276
00:50:02,677 --> 00:50:05,179
and action in order to have

1277
00:50:05,179 --> 00:50:05,913
this referendum put on about 4

1278
00:50:05,913 --> 00:50:09,150
people to react to so it's not

1279
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:09,850
based on what is in the past

1280
00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:12,850
it's about making that we're

1281
00:50:12,887 --> 00:50:13,520
protected for the future and

1282
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,520
again the infrastructure

1283
00:50:17,759 --> 00:50:18,493
improvements that are efforts.

1284
00:50:18,493 --> 00:50:19,126
We need to make sure that what

1285
00:50:19,126 --> 00:50:19,827
we're seeing and what is

1286
00:50:19,827 --> 00:50:22,227
understood that the citizens

1287
00:50:23,598 --> 00:50:25,233
is on the best. It is of their

1288
00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:25,867
behalf. The fact that a public

1289
00:50:25,867 --> 00:50:26,968
safety issue has occurred

1290
00:50:26,968 --> 00:50:27,668
because this infrastructure

1291
00:50:27,668 --> 00:50:30,400
has failed. And so we action

1292
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,604
needs to be taken that is

1293
00:50:34,708 --> 00:50:36,543
either timely to make sure no

1294
00:50:36,543 --> 00:50:37,211
one knows is her is her or the

1295
00:50:37,211 --> 00:50:37,879
financial implications are

1296
00:50:37,879 --> 00:50:40,879
working in the city's favor

1297
00:50:41,249 --> 00:50:41,916
specific save the money and as

1298
00:50:41,916 --> 00:50:44,585
able to make sure that you

1299
00:50:44,585 --> 00:50:45,920
know several of the districts

1300
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,189
in order if we were to not

1301
00:50:48,189 --> 00:50:50,589
have bonding authority it

1302
00:50:52,493 --> 00:50:54,893
would allow for. The

1303
00:50:56,330 --> 00:50:56,997
decreasing up to the east a

1304
00:50:56,997 --> 00:50:59,533
rate increases. It would be

1305
00:50:59,533 --> 00:51:01,369
able to be able to to be able

1306
00:51:01,369 --> 00:51:02,670
to pay it out into more term

1307
00:51:02,670 --> 00:51:04,138
systematic manner as opposed

1308
00:51:04,138 --> 00:51:04,772
to having a large increase you

1309
00:51:04,772 --> 00:51:05,472
know we didn't get to our

1310
00:51:05,472 --> 00:51:08,472
citizens and their ability to

1311
00:51:08,576 --> 00:51:09,276
react to it therefore we

1312
00:51:09,276 --> 00:51:12,276
asking too reactive into more

1313
00:51:13,114 --> 00:51:16,114
proactive way that we play.

1314
00:51:17,184 --> 00:51:19,687
But you said. The failure of a

1315
00:51:19,687 --> 00:51:21,687
water control structure.

1316
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:23,390
>> and I agree that is an

1317
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:24,240
emergency whether it's

1318
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,624
declared or not it is an

1319
00:51:27,962 --> 00:51:28,629
emergency it failed. When I

1320
00:51:28,629 --> 00:51:31,629
heard MISS Julie talking it

1321
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:33,601
sounded more like a.

1322
00:51:33,601 --> 00:51:34,335
>> we need to do these water

1323
00:51:34,335 --> 00:51:37,335
control structures or hey this

1324
00:51:39,740 --> 00:51:42,676
bridge is close to failing.

1325
00:51:42,676 --> 00:51:43,511
>> so I'm hearing different

1326
00:51:43,511 --> 00:51:44,211
language and intentional on

1327
00:51:44,211 --> 00:51:46,280
what this is going to be for

1328
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,280
public safety. Let me clarify

1329
00:51:50,351 --> 00:51:50,984
for so.

1330
00:51:50,984 --> 00:51:53,721
>> in an example of what

1331
00:51:53,721 --> 00:51:57,321
really over saying if we need

1332
00:51:57,724 --> 00:52:00,124
to fix 10 water control

1333
00:52:00,494 --> 00:52:01,161
structures welcome you with

1334
00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:03,561
authority or public safety

1335
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:04,698
needs because they don't under

1336
00:52:04,698 --> 00:52:05,432
the direct authority that

1337
00:52:05,432 --> 00:52:08,168
asking for permission put them

1338
00:52:08,168 --> 00:52:08,869
on a regular. A rep for the

1339
00:52:08,869 --> 00:52:12,239
way you would do today in was

1340
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:12,906
still a little bit. But that

1341
00:52:12,906 --> 00:52:14,742
those were building and we

1342
00:52:14,742 --> 00:52:18,342
said hey in the next. Well,

1343
00:52:18,445 --> 00:52:19,179
they're going to all out that

1344
00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:19,880
we really need to do something

1345
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,583
we haven't been there we can

1346
00:52:22,583 --> 00:52:23,250
make it work. It was say, hey

1347
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:26,687
we need to talk about doing

1348
00:52:26,687 --> 00:52:27,354
this right now otherwise we

1349
00:52:27,354 --> 00:52:28,880
wait for the next election

1350
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,688
going there and then move with

1351
00:52:31,959 --> 00:52:33,761
it as usual. The authority

1352
00:52:33,761 --> 00:52:34,461
that we're asking are you just

1353
00:52:34,461 --> 00:52:36,830
been now does not remove any

1354
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:38,232
all authority to go to the

1355
00:52:38,232 --> 00:52:38,933
citizens. We're asking you for

1356
00:52:38,933 --> 00:52:42,936
what you as a board and they

1357
00:52:42,936 --> 00:52:43,838
staff should be very aware of

1358
00:52:43,838 --> 00:52:44,704
as it relates to how do you

1359
00:52:44,704 --> 00:52:47,704
keep the public safe protect

1360
00:52:48,375 --> 00:52:48,943
taxpayers dollars that was 2.

1361
00:52:48,943 --> 00:52:49,677
>> thank you for that

1362
00:52:49,677 --> 00:52:52,770
clarification that that helped

1363
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:55,816
a lot thank you. Vice mayor.

1364
00:52:55,816 --> 00:52:59,416
>> yeah, I'm in that same it's

1365
00:53:00,870 --> 00:53:02,487
basically. Things that are.

1366
00:53:06,127 --> 00:53:06,760
Just seeing for emergencies.

1367
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,160
Don't happen in ordinary

1368
00:53:10,264 --> 00:53:13,864
course of business. So what we

1369
00:53:16,336 --> 00:53:17,400
do see that there as city

1370
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,400
manager said infrastructure

1371
00:53:19,573 --> 00:53:22,542
issue that was looming and

1372
00:53:22,542 --> 00:53:24,411
eminent MAY not what would

1373
00:53:24,411 --> 00:53:26,800
qualify as a serious

1374
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:26,747
emergency, but clearly

1375
00:53:26,747 --> 00:53:29,747
something that is going to

1376
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:30,717
fail or is imminent to look

1377
00:53:30,717 --> 00:53:32,519
those conditions can be built

1378
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:34,221
into that option. One. With

1379
00:53:34,221 --> 00:53:37,221
the proper language that you

1380
00:53:37,525 --> 00:53:38,225
know we would you know we

1381
00:53:38,225 --> 00:53:41,225
would put some around our

1382
00:53:45,366 --> 00:53:46,330
weeks. We bonded and again

1383
00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:48,433
reiterate what city manager

1384
00:53:56,844 --> 00:53:57,444
said. This month there late

1385
00:53:57,444 --> 00:53:59,444
season, hurricane. But

1386
00:54:00,647 --> 00:54:02,647
devastating proportion. We

1387
00:54:02,849 --> 00:54:06,449
would have no option. We would

1388
00:54:08,622 --> 00:54:10,490
be sure forest. As we sit now,

1389
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:11,658
hold a special election soon

1390
00:54:11,658 --> 00:54:12,258
humanly possible that you know

1391
00:54:12,258 --> 00:54:14,658
something we could get

1392
00:54:15,228 --> 00:54:16,290
permission to do it and that

1393
00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:16,830
would cost the city 100 grand

1394
00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:20,430
a pop everything else it will

1395
00:54:22,235 --> 00:54:23,637
cost because. Right now we're

1396
00:54:23,637 --> 00:54:24,338
limited to every 2 years

1397
00:54:24,338 --> 00:54:26,173
thing and it's true emergency

1398
00:54:26,173 --> 00:54:29,173
at and then offseason. We

1399
00:54:31,244 --> 00:54:31,845
would have no option but to go

1400
00:54:31,845 --> 00:54:32,545
out and hold a special

1401
00:54:32,545 --> 00:54:35,545
election polls point to that

1402
00:54:36,483 --> 00:54:38,251
why that come up the other

1403
00:54:38,251 --> 00:54:38,952
thing we can additionally due

1404
00:54:38,952 --> 00:54:40,520
to create some say the courts

1405
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,120
as you mentioned they shun is

1406
00:54:44,458 --> 00:54:47,427
create a super majority. The

1407
00:54:47,427 --> 00:54:48,796
simple majority of commission

1408
00:54:48,796 --> 00:54:49,496
3 to 2 super-majority which

1409
00:54:49,496 --> 00:54:53,960
require for in this case out

1410
00:54:54,340 --> 00:54:55,602
of 5. You know, that's that

1411
00:54:55,602 --> 00:54:57,400
much more comfort level that

1412
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:57,638
the vast majority everybody on

1413
00:54:57,638 --> 00:54:59,638
commission so comfortable

1414
00:55:04,411 --> 00:55:04,778
with. Board. Absolutely

1415
00:55:04,778 --> 00:55:06,778
everyone.

1416
00:55:12,986 --> 00:55:13,687
>> the. The request of the

1417
00:55:13,687 --> 00:55:14,788
only authority the burden of

1418
00:55:14,788 --> 00:55:15,522
for that it live on you know

1419
00:55:15,522 --> 00:55:19,722
we have the burden of proof to

1420
00:55:19,726 --> 00:55:20,393
make sure that you understand

1421
00:55:20,393 --> 00:55:21,940
the request and we can

1422
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:21,795
validate the concern that the

1423
00:55:21,795 --> 00:55:22,763
emergency authorization would

1424
00:55:22,763 --> 00:55:25,763
be necessary and needed that

1425
00:55:27,467 --> 00:55:28,168
is it you would not authorize

1426
00:55:28,168 --> 00:55:30,337
it and then we would sort of

1427
00:55:30,337 --> 00:55:32,505
going the way that we were

1428
00:55:32,505 --> 00:55:33,573
going. So we feel very

1429
00:55:33,573 --> 00:55:34,274
strongly that in those

1430
00:55:34,274 --> 00:55:37,344
situations where it was it we

1431
00:55:37,344 --> 00:55:38,440
would have information to

1432
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,913
provide you with a book that

1433
00:55:39,913 --> 00:55:42,913
will in that decision on

1434
00:55:43,484 --> 00:55:44,218
happens is if you witness it.

1435
00:55:44,218 --> 00:55:47,818
>> just to finish up the short

1436
00:55:47,988 --> 00:55:48,855
commissioner mcdowell takes

1437
00:55:48,855 --> 00:55:51,255
put the sort of

1438
00:55:51,425 --> 00:55:53,825
proper perspective. Staff did.

1439
00:55:54,627 --> 00:55:58,227
Get it touch on it initially

1440
00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:01,668
michael we're the only city.

1441
00:56:01,668 --> 00:56:05,268
These kinds of all of this

1442
00:56:08,608 --> 00:56:11,608
kind of restriction. We are

1443
00:56:12,212 --> 00:56:12,880
some little municipality we

1444
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,280
are huge. We're 250 million

1445
00:56:16,182 --> 00:56:18,582
dollar budget with. Hearing

1446
00:56:21,321 --> 00:56:22,220
the 100,000 people. Order to

1447
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:24,791
respond in order adjust order

1448
00:56:24,791 --> 00:56:27,791
to properly one. A government

1449
00:56:28,428 --> 00:56:30,564
decisive city this size there

1450
00:56:30,564 --> 00:56:31,531
has to be some level of social

1451
00:56:31,531 --> 00:56:34,340
already and there to be some

1452
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:34,701
level of that's really what's

1453
00:56:34,701 --> 00:56:36,470
being asked here there MAY

1454
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:36,770
have very good reasons in the

1455
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:37,804
past.

1456
00:56:37,804 --> 00:56:40,474
>> for the citizens of this

1457
00:56:40,474 --> 00:56:42,874
city. Question. Its leadership

1458
00:56:46,513 --> 00:56:48,548
and 2. It's these kinds of

1459
00:56:48,548 --> 00:56:51,548
restrictions but as the city

1460
00:56:53,953 --> 00:56:54,620
grows. It is just unreasonable

1461
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,256
and and get on just want to

1462
00:56:57,256 --> 00:57:00,427
say it people take issue with

1463
00:57:00,427 --> 00:57:01,528
but if the people of this city

1464
00:57:01,528 --> 00:57:04,431
can have confidence in a

1465
00:57:04,431 --> 00:57:06,831
structured system of debt.

1466
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,700
With the proper safeguards and

1467
00:57:11,437 --> 00:57:12,605
the proper decision making of

1468
00:57:12,605 --> 00:57:13,907
its government and its

1469
00:57:13,907 --> 00:57:14,641
leadership and its elected

1470
00:57:14,641 --> 00:57:17,978
officials and it just needs to

1471
00:57:17,978 --> 00:57:18,745
elect new officials but by

1472
00:57:18,745 --> 00:57:21,745
needs to have the flexibility

1473
00:57:21,882 --> 00:57:22,549
operate a city this size and

1474
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:24,785
that needs to be something

1475
00:57:24,785 --> 00:57:27,387
everybody needs to think about

1476
00:57:27,387 --> 00:57:28,880
we're going to change this

1477
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,880
citizens. North port have to

1478
00:57:32,993 --> 00:57:33,994
decide that. They're willing

1479
00:57:33,994 --> 00:57:34,694
to buy into otherwise old time

1480
00:57:34,694 --> 00:57:37,940
we're spending here absolute

1481
00:57:38,731 --> 00:57:39,700
waste of time citizens need to

1482
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,369
take some comfort in the fact

1483
00:57:42,369 --> 00:57:43,970
that we have professionally

1484
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:44,670
run city and we have elected

1485
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:45,805
officials that really worked

1486
00:57:45,805 --> 00:57:48,700
for the best interest of the

1487
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:48,675
people here and and I hope

1488
00:57:48,675 --> 00:57:51,675
that they're ready to make

1489
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:55,649
that leap of faith.

1490
00:57:55,649 --> 00:57:59,249
>> group to add to that vice

1491
00:58:00,987 --> 00:58:02,188
mayor is we are very good.

1492
00:58:02,188 --> 00:58:02,722
That is very cold with getting

1493
00:58:02,722 --> 00:58:04,722
outside independent

1494
00:58:06,759 --> 00:58:07,460
third-party opinions advice

1495
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:08,127
well, even when the situation

1496
00:58:08,127 --> 00:58:09,863
warrants so that you're not

1497
00:58:09,863 --> 00:58:10,563
still leave about lot going

1498
00:58:10,563 --> 00:58:14,163
people within the wall to all

1499
00:58:14,701 --> 00:58:15,669
or that the commission.

1500
00:58:15,669 --> 00:58:16,470
>> all right. Thank you i

1501
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:17,137
thank you. Vice mayor and to

1502
00:58:17,137 --> 00:58:19,873
get back what you just said

1503
00:58:19,873 --> 00:58:22,273
there because at night

1504
00:58:22,975 --> 00:58:23,676
crossings off my list, but yes

1505
00:58:23,676 --> 00:58:26,676
we have a representative form

1506
00:58:28,147 --> 00:58:29,983
of government so we are have

1507
00:58:29,983 --> 00:58:31,951
been elected to make decisions

1508
00:58:31,951 --> 00:58:32,819
and sometimes are not easy

1509
00:58:32,819 --> 00:58:33,486
decisions. But their decisions

1510
00:58:33,486 --> 00:58:37,860
that have to be made people

1511
00:58:37,891 --> 00:58:38,558
complain about government

1512
00:58:38,558 --> 00:58:39,792
moving so slowly sometimes

1513
00:58:39,792 --> 00:58:40,693
because we have all these

1514
00:58:40,693 --> 00:58:41,394
restrictions in place rather

1515
00:58:41,394 --> 00:58:43,296
than allowing those that were

1516
00:58:43,296 --> 00:58:44,164
elected

1517
00:58:44,164 --> 00:58:46,600
in our are very qualified

1518
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,600
staff to make. The best

1519
00:58:49,903 --> 00:58:50,836
decisions to

1520
00:58:50,836 --> 00:58:51,538
move forward. Something like

1521
00:58:51,538 --> 00:58:55,708
this that we have in place is

1522
00:58:55,708 --> 00:58:57,677
very. It's very hindering I

1523
00:58:57,677 --> 00:58:59,412
mean if we had a real problem

1524
00:58:59,412 --> 00:59:00,113
have go through all this and

1525
00:59:00,113 --> 00:59:00,814
people wonder how comments on

1526
00:59:00,814 --> 00:59:04,851
fixed yet. Well we have to go

1527
00:59:04,851 --> 00:59:05,719
through all this. I wouldn't

1528
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:07,530
want my last question is and

1529
00:59:07,530 --> 00:59:07,687
I'm sorry if you answer this

1530
00:59:07,687 --> 00:59:10,190
have and option one is is

1531
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:10,624
there a cap. It's been

1532
00:59:10,624 --> 00:59:12,624
established.

1533
00:59:14,694 --> 00:59:15,394
>> not not with option on. But

1534
00:59:15,394 --> 00:59:18,994
with option 3 there is a cap

1535
00:59:24,837 --> 00:59:25,538
emergency. Is reason why staff

1536
00:59:25,538 --> 00:59:26,205
for option, one which is what

1537
00:59:26,205 --> 00:59:26,873
recommending why he didn't

1538
00:59:26,873 --> 00:59:29,873
recommend a calf with that

1539
00:59:31,577 --> 00:59:32,679
one.

1540
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,679
>> in case they are emergency

1541
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:37,784
situation is more than and.

1542
00:59:37,784 --> 00:59:38,451
>> and some of lake with the e

1543
00:59:38,451 --> 00:59:42,651
and you saw some of that is

1544
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:44,724
significant.

1545
00:59:44,724 --> 00:59:47,724
>> you just say that the

1546
00:59:49,662 --> 00:59:52,662
county up to 20. 23 9 yeah and

1547
00:59:54,734 --> 00:59:56,734
change.

1548
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,730
>> all right commissioner I

1549
01:00:00,730 --> 01:00:00,774
>> from my level of comfort.

1550
01:00:00,774 --> 01:00:04,374
>> there really needs to be a

1551
01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:07,781
cap. And I understand that

1552
01:00:07,781 --> 01:00:08,448
emergencies happen in that you

1553
01:00:08,448 --> 01:00:09,715
know just the debris remove

1554
01:00:09,715 --> 01:00:12,715
all along was 43 million but

1555
01:00:13,819 --> 01:00:15,621
this way we have we have the

1556
01:00:15,621 --> 01:00:16,623
benefit of being able to issue

1557
01:00:16,623 --> 01:00:20,823
a bond for an emergency up to

1558
01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:22,562
a specific dollar amount. But

1559
01:00:22,562 --> 01:00:23,296
then we also have our fund

1560
01:00:23,296 --> 01:00:26,896
balance policy to help pick up

1561
01:00:29,135 --> 01:00:32,735
that slack. This point in time

1562
01:00:33,506 --> 01:00:34,908
it really is and what we want.

1563
01:00:34,908 --> 01:00:39,108
Voters get to decide on so we

1564
01:00:39,111 --> 01:00:40,113
have to make sure voters have

1565
01:00:40,113 --> 01:00:42,915
a level of comfort not me not

1566
01:00:42,915 --> 01:00:43,850
anybody sitting up here not

1567
01:00:43,850 --> 01:00:46,286
staff. The voters need that

1568
01:00:46,286 --> 01:00:49,886
level of comfort and I really

1569
01:00:50,790 --> 01:00:51,491
think a cap MAY give them that

1570
01:00:51,491 --> 01:00:52,292
I don't know I don't want to

1571
01:00:52,292 --> 01:00:55,892
speak for our voters but to

1572
01:00:57,997 --> 01:01:00,397
leave it. Open ended.

1573
01:01:00,733 --> 01:01:01,467
Especially after the last

1574
01:01:01,467 --> 01:01:02,134
referendum. And the feedback I

1575
01:01:02,134 --> 01:01:04,534
received from the last

1576
01:01:05,371 --> 01:01:08,371
referendum. Am I I am

1577
01:01:08,908 --> 01:01:09,575
concerned that it MAY not

1578
01:01:09,575 --> 01:01:10,576
pass. So I'm just throwing

1579
01:01:10,576 --> 01:01:14,176
that out there for a book 0.2

1580
01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,518
and think about. So if. If

1581
01:01:19,518 --> 01:01:22,518
this referendum. Does not pass

1582
01:01:23,622 --> 01:01:25,858
let me back up. We're going to

1583
01:01:25,858 --> 01:01:28,858
be doing this referendum in

1584
01:01:31,298 --> 01:01:33,698
primary or general election.

1585
01:01:36,435 --> 01:01:37,403
>> does that time.

1586
01:01:37,403 --> 01:01:38,371
>> how we doing this

1587
01:01:38,371 --> 01:01:40,390
referendum that we're

1588
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:40,740
discussing today are we doing

1589
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:42,242
that at a primary referendum

1590
01:01:42,242 --> 01:01:44,642
or at the general.

1591
01:01:45,411 --> 01:01:47,811
>> the general 0.4. What what

1592
01:01:48,414 --> 01:01:50,414
are

1593
01:01:52,985 --> 01:01:54,853
>> all right so. The public

1594
01:01:54,853 --> 01:01:58,453
over the language to about. I

1595
01:01:59,325 --> 01:01:59,993
thought wouldn't

1596
01:01:59,993 --> 01:02:00,693
>> we were still waiting on

1597
01:02:00,693 --> 01:02:01,394
direction from our consultant

1598
01:02:01,394 --> 01:02:03,529
on the timing of when to put

1599
01:02:03,529 --> 01:02:06,866
it on, but if we have to elect

1600
01:02:06,866 --> 01:02:07,566
its next year ideally getting

1601
01:02:07,566 --> 01:02:09,101
the bomb lane which approval

1602
01:02:09,101 --> 01:02:09,802
would go in the first one in

1603
01:02:09,802 --> 01:02:12,802
the project that was related

1604
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:14,673
what was needed as we know

1605
01:02:14,673 --> 01:02:15,408
right you know that of our

1606
01:02:15,408 --> 01:02:17,376
police station would be on the

1607
01:02:17,376 --> 01:02:18,440
second win in the general

1608
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,112
election. The first getting

1609
01:02:20,112 --> 01:02:22,512
approved second it election

1610
01:02:23,283 --> 01:02:25,218
would be for the actual

1611
01:02:25,218 --> 01:02:27,853
product is so now that's ideal

1612
01:02:27,853 --> 01:02:28,721
world and it MAY not work that

1613
01:02:28,721 --> 01:02:29,388
way but as we continue to work

1614
01:02:29,388 --> 01:02:31,191
with the consultant I think

1615
01:02:31,191 --> 01:02:31,891
we'll have more information as

1616
01:02:31,891 --> 01:02:34,894
it relates to the timing the

1617
01:02:34,894 --> 01:02:35,628
report to you.

1618
01:02:35,628 --> 01:02:39,228
>> and that is exactly why I'm

1619
01:02:39,632 --> 01:02:40,332
asking this question if it's

1620
01:02:40,332 --> 01:02:42,968
imperative that we know when

1621
01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:46,568
this is going on because I

1622
01:02:46,773 --> 01:02:47,840
don't want to squander

1623
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,800
election to do the things that

1624
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:49,709
the commission has spoke about

1625
01:02:49,709 --> 01:02:52,109
water control structures. The

1626
01:02:55,781 --> 01:02:58,181
police station. Bridges, those

1627
01:02:58,926 --> 01:02:59,290
things still have to get done

1628
01:02:59,290 --> 01:03:01,190
with or without this bond

1629
01:03:01,190 --> 01:03:02,388
referendum. And I would hate

1630
01:03:02,388 --> 01:03:04,560
to wander an opportunity to be

1631
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:04,790
able to put something out to

1632
01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:07,693
bond which would then delaying

1633
01:03:07,693 --> 01:03:09,693
these projects.

1634
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:11,730
>> as we move forward with

1635
01:03:11,730 --> 01:03:12,431
the.

1636
01:03:12,431 --> 01:03:15,431
>> deeper dive into the needs

1637
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:18,771
of our issues we're cautiously

1638
01:03:18,771 --> 01:03:22,971
aware that we do not want to

1639
01:03:24,310 --> 01:03:25,100
put a. Value in general

1640
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:28,100
election people what they do

1641
01:03:28,414 --> 01:03:29,148
half of billion dollars with a

1642
01:03:29,148 --> 01:03:31,884
b dollars that number is going

1643
01:03:31,884 --> 01:03:34,884
to be. Intimidating for any

1644
01:03:35,822 --> 01:03:38,523
voter in a bubble. So being

1645
01:03:38,523 --> 01:03:39,192
able to ask them would you

1646
01:03:39,192 --> 01:03:39,892
language in pudding a high

1647
01:03:39,892 --> 01:03:40,559
bond that on the same ballot

1648
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:42,959
is almost certain certainly

1649
01:03:44,363 --> 01:03:45,970
not to get it past trying to

1650
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,933
break it up but as it believes

1651
01:03:47,933 --> 01:03:48,668
all items you just mention

1652
01:03:48,668 --> 01:03:50,836
that could go over and that we

1653
01:03:50,836 --> 01:03:52,872
need those items are all

1654
01:03:52,872 --> 01:03:53,506
needed. But we will likely

1655
01:03:53,506 --> 01:03:55,908
would not be bringing all

1656
01:03:55,908 --> 01:03:56,575
those I don't ask for both

1657
01:03:56,575 --> 01:03:58,975
consideration. In the fall

1658
01:04:00,913 --> 01:04:01,580
election of 2024. The cap. It

1659
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:02,448
if you decide to put a cap

1660
01:04:02,448 --> 01:04:04,616
over their support a little

1661
01:04:04,616 --> 01:04:07,160
whether it's arbitrary number

1662
01:04:08,554 --> 01:04:09,555
that's but let's also remember

1663
01:04:09,555 --> 01:04:10,289
there are various ways to

1664
01:04:10,289 --> 01:04:12,324
engage our citizens before you

1665
01:04:12,324 --> 01:04:14,960
get to election. Instead of

1666
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,928
just waiting at the elections

1667
01:04:15,928 --> 01:04:19,365
c as a commissioner when you

1668
01:04:19,365 --> 01:04:20,699
would say, yes, I feel like

1669
01:04:20,699 --> 01:04:23,699
this is something we should

1670
01:04:25,805 --> 01:04:26,505
vote all survey due to get

1671
01:04:26,505 --> 01:04:27,720
different things in theory in

1672
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:27,773
order to gauge their

1673
01:04:27,773 --> 01:04:29,808
temperature that would help a

1674
01:04:29,808 --> 01:04:31,808
decision

1675
01:04:31,877 --> 01:04:32,544
>> and follow up with on that

1676
01:04:32,544 --> 01:04:34,944
same meeting state statute

1677
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:39,185
does not allow government to

1678
01:04:39,185 --> 01:04:39,819
expend money and if we were to

1679
01:04:39,819 --> 01:04:42,819
do surveys that's kind of

1680
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:46,250
spending money. So we have to

1681
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:46,759
be very cognizant on how we

1682
01:04:46,759 --> 01:04:49,162
educate and how we get a pulse

1683
01:04:49,162 --> 01:04:49,829
of our citizens because we the

1684
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:51,829
government entities cannot

1685
01:04:55,902 --> 01:04:56,269
spend money can a way I didn't

1686
01:04:56,269 --> 01:04:56,936
say mail.

1687
01:04:56,936 --> 01:04:57,636
>> I'm pretty sure there is

1688
01:04:57,636 --> 01:05:00,636
there are 3 ways to survive,

1689
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,908
but I get your point we can't

1690
01:05:02,908 --> 01:05:03,608
we can't spend money survey

1691
01:05:03,608 --> 01:05:04,276
survey isn't the only way to

1692
01:05:04,276 --> 01:05:04,944
engage the community if you

1693
01:05:04,944 --> 01:05:06,845
want to get opinions before

1694
01:05:06,845 --> 01:05:09,348
you make your decision. But

1695
01:05:09,348 --> 01:05:10,160
point is we don't want

1696
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,616
following way and say oh a

1697
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,520
referendum is the way that

1698
01:05:19,591 --> 01:05:20,292
commissioner

1699
01:05:20,292 --> 01:05:23,262
>> yeah this is probably for

1700
01:05:23,262 --> 01:05:26,798
the city clerk. When it comes

1701
01:05:26,798 --> 01:05:27,433
down to the special elections.

1702
01:05:27,433 --> 01:05:29,433
>> approximately how long

1703
01:05:30,869 --> 01:05:31,403
would it take. Should go for a

1704
01:05:31,403 --> 01:05:33,403
special election or

1705
01:05:33,805 --> 01:05:34,506
referendum. And I note. I'm

1706
01:05:34,506 --> 01:05:38,106
timing and stuff like that we

1707
01:05:38,410 --> 01:05:40,245
can piggyback. Often the

1708
01:05:40,245 --> 01:05:41,747
election that could be coming

1709
01:05:41,747 --> 01:05:42,514
up like. Let's say next year,

1710
01:05:42,514 --> 01:05:43,182
but it's all through the

1711
01:05:43,182 --> 01:05:43,916
supervisor of elections and

1712
01:05:43,916 --> 01:05:46,180
the reason I'm getting to this

1713
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:49,618
point is. And hit in SEPTEMBER

1714
01:05:50,255 --> 01:05:53,255
of 2022. The next election was

1715
01:05:53,992 --> 01:05:54,693
NOVEMBER of 2022. No I don't

1716
01:05:54,693 --> 01:05:57,693
believe there was enough time

1717
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:59,164
to be able assess our needs

1718
01:05:59,164 --> 01:05:59,898
and then put it on a

1719
01:05:59,898 --> 01:06:01,867
referendum in that three-month

1720
01:06:01,867 --> 01:06:04,267
window is that truer.

1721
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:07,773
>> I would say that pretty I

1722
01:06:07,773 --> 01:06:09,341
don't have a way to determine

1723
01:06:09,341 --> 01:06:09,942
how long it would take to get

1724
01:06:09,942 --> 01:06:10,676
something to a special

1725
01:06:10,676 --> 01:06:12,911
election because it ultimately

1726
01:06:12,911 --> 01:06:13,612
is up to the county. We just

1727
01:06:13,612 --> 01:06:16,983
let them know that we have an

1728
01:06:16,983 --> 01:06:18,116
item our special election. And

1729
01:06:18,116 --> 01:06:18,818
we can present dates to them,

1730
01:06:18,818 --> 01:06:20,850
but it is ultimately up to

1731
01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:20,686
them to say yes or no we can

1732
01:06:20,686 --> 01:06:24,286
do that if there is an

1733
01:06:24,736 --> 01:06:25,290
election in another

1734
01:06:25,290 --> 01:06:25,991
municipality. I know from the

1735
01:06:25,991 --> 01:06:26,725
last time we talked about it

1736
01:06:26,725 --> 01:06:27,959
with the they will say why can

1737
01:06:27,959 --> 01:06:31,559
you not. On this one and

1738
01:06:31,997 --> 01:06:33,999
piggyback on that. So it is

1739
01:06:33,999 --> 01:06:35,670
ultimately up to them and if

1740
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:36,235
they have a lot of things

1741
01:06:36,235 --> 01:06:37,370
going on with the supervisor

1742
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:37,970
of elections that will also

1743
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:41,570
push it out I know they

1744
01:06:41,807 --> 01:06:42,541
reviewing some election. Some

1745
01:06:42,541 --> 01:06:43,208
things that were going on with

1746
01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:45,608
the actual election process

1747
01:06:45,777 --> 01:06:47,780
this last time and they said

1748
01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:48,647
that we would not have been

1749
01:06:48,647 --> 01:06:49,381
able to get a special election

1750
01:06:49,381 --> 01:06:50,810
at the time that we're looking

1751
01:06:50,810 --> 01:06:50,616
at last time they would have

1752
01:06:50,616 --> 01:06:52,484
pushed us to other

1753
01:06:52,484 --> 01:06:54,484
municipalities.

1754
01:06:57,523 --> 01:06:58,224
>> and our falls into the

1755
01:06:58,224 --> 01:07:00,925
hands of other people at that

1756
01:07:00,925 --> 01:07:02,894
point. Depending on the time

1757
01:07:02,894 --> 01:07:05,894
lines and stuff. You know

1758
01:07:07,233 --> 01:07:10,680
it's. It's very difficult if

1759
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:10,735
we're an emergency situation

1760
01:07:10,735 --> 01:07:14,935
and we need to take care of

1761
01:07:15,207 --> 01:07:15,874
stuff so. You know, I just

1762
01:07:15,874 --> 01:07:18,309
want to get that out there

1763
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:19,411
because it it wouldn't have

1764
01:07:19,411 --> 01:07:20,790
happened. You know and and a

1765
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:23,790
timely matter even it was 6

1766
01:07:23,816 --> 01:07:24,583
months later. Still a little

1767
01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:27,920
bit too long to get our needs

1768
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,320
and our citizens care.

1769
01:07:32,657 --> 01:07:33,358
>> commissioner.

1770
01:07:33,358 --> 01:07:34,793
>> the the answer to what we

1771
01:07:34,793 --> 01:07:35,427
would do in that situation is

1772
01:07:35,427 --> 01:07:36,161
that's why you have good

1773
01:07:36,161 --> 01:07:38,290
financial controls in place to

1774
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:38,396
have whether it's to preserve

1775
01:07:38,396 --> 01:07:39,130
that is.

1776
01:07:39,130 --> 01:07:42,730
>> and with the excess of that

1777
01:07:43,435 --> 01:07:44,369
or is there the cash flow

1778
01:07:44,369 --> 01:07:46,769
ability to handle emergencies

1779
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:48,474
which is what we were very

1780
01:07:48,474 --> 01:07:51,844
fortunate to have based on our

1781
01:07:51,844 --> 01:07:55,444
staff and our. Pre planning to

1782
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:57,449
order to cover that without

1783
01:07:57,449 --> 01:07:58,150
having to ask the citizens for

1784
01:07:58,150 --> 01:08:01,860
evening as related to gotten

1785
01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:01,720
reimburse a timely manner so

1786
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,720
we're coming back sort of

1787
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:06,791
feeling that book it back up.

1788
01:08:06,791 --> 01:08:08,861
But in the example and the end

1789
01:08:08,861 --> 01:08:11,861
of another union that's what

1790
01:08:13,732 --> 01:08:14,399
makes those vulnerable in the

1791
01:08:14,399 --> 01:08:17,399
the outside soul the county

1792
01:08:21,573 --> 01:08:22,975
and it's that but help was

1793
01:08:22,975 --> 01:08:23,675
totally out of our control but

1794
01:08:23,675 --> 01:08:25,510
I know it's a citizen looking

1795
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:29,110
back and saying why didn't you

1796
01:08:30,548 --> 01:08:31,583
city of port. Change and alter

1797
01:08:31,583 --> 01:08:33,151
your abilities when you could

1798
01:08:33,151 --> 01:08:35,453
in a time that you could have

1799
01:08:35,453 --> 01:08:38,624
done it as opposed to leaving

1800
01:08:38,624 --> 01:08:39,257
us double in a time of need.

1801
01:08:39,257 --> 01:08:42,494
so this what sort of help

1802
01:08:42,494 --> 01:08:43,950
efforts to taxes for that.

1803
01:08:43,950 --> 01:08:44,620
>> and I agree with you

1804
01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:47,466
because we did have end and

1805
01:08:47,466 --> 01:08:48,700
then we have a threat of I

1806
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:49,400
doubt and luckily that wasn't

1807
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,737
as devastating as was, but it

1808
01:08:52,737 --> 01:08:54,172
could have that. Yes are you

1809
01:08:54,172 --> 01:08:54,739
know, and we are in hurricane

1810
01:08:54,739 --> 01:08:57,139
season once again and

1811
01:08:58,776 --> 01:08:59,511
everything so. We go through

1812
01:08:59,511 --> 01:09:02,511
every year hopefully it's most

1813
01:09:02,781 --> 01:09:03,482
most of the missiles but hey

1814
01:09:03,482 --> 01:09:05,751
and got a spat and we need to

1815
01:09:05,751 --> 01:09:06,451
learn from that. So I

1816
01:09:06,451 --> 01:09:08,851
appreciate all your efforts.

1817
01:09:10,656 --> 01:09:11,323
Thank you.

1818
01:09:11,323 --> 01:09:11,923
>> commissioner mcdowell my

1819
01:09:11,923 --> 01:09:15,523
last one has to do with

1820
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:18,730
timing. Commissioner much

1821
01:09:18,730 --> 01:09:20,599
touched on how long it takes

1822
01:09:20,599 --> 01:09:21,432
to do a special election I

1823
01:09:21,432 --> 01:09:23,835
know when we the special

1824
01:09:23,835 --> 01:09:24,435
election to get mayor white.

1825
01:09:24,435 --> 01:09:26,435
It took approximately 5

1826
01:09:29,574 --> 01:09:30,942
months. To draft an ordinance

1827
01:09:30,942 --> 01:09:31,609
and talk to the supervisor of

1828
01:09:31,609 --> 01:09:32,911
elections and actually hold

1829
01:09:32,911 --> 01:09:33,578
that election.

1830
01:09:33,578 --> 01:09:36,578
>> but not all intents and

1831
01:09:40,184 --> 01:09:41,219
purposes. Issue a bond for

1832
01:09:41,219 --> 01:09:43,155
whatever emergency reason if

1833
01:09:43,155 --> 01:09:47,355
this was to get passed by the

1834
01:09:47,525 --> 01:09:48,193
voters would take 5 to 6

1835
01:09:48,193 --> 01:09:50,593
months anyways because they

1836
01:09:50,628 --> 01:09:51,429
have to talk with council. How

1837
01:09:51,429 --> 01:09:52,197
is this going to be done so

1838
01:09:52,197 --> 01:09:52,831
that it's not affecting our

1839
01:09:52,831 --> 01:09:55,831
credit rating. We have to

1840
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:57,769
issue ordinance the commission

1841
01:09:57,769 --> 01:09:58,470
has to cure it twice and I

1842
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:59,470
pray that this is going to be

1843
01:09:59,470 --> 01:10:02,470
done by ordinance and not

1844
01:10:03,208 --> 01:10:03,841
resolution. But that's part of

1845
01:10:03,841 --> 01:10:06,241
that conversation of what

1846
01:10:11,516 --> 01:10:12,817
we're looking for. So this

1847
01:10:12,817 --> 01:10:13,885
isn't quick and easy thing

1848
01:10:13,885 --> 01:10:14,586
like oh we have an emergency

1849
01:10:14,586 --> 01:10:17,422
and then a month later we can

1850
01:10:17,422 --> 01:10:20,692
do to readings. So unless you

1851
01:10:20,692 --> 01:10:21,426
guys have things in the

1852
01:10:21,426 --> 01:10:22,930
pipeline. That we're not aware

1853
01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:22,760
of that our emergency that

1854
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,760
would scare cheaper side of

1855
01:10:28,533 --> 01:10:30,601
me. Government is quick and

1856
01:10:30,601 --> 01:10:33,571
easy we all recognize that,

1857
01:10:33,571 --> 01:10:34,272
but if you have.

1858
01:10:34,272 --> 01:10:37,208
>> there is in jail where you

1859
01:10:37,208 --> 01:10:37,876
have an election in NOVEMBER.

1860
01:10:37,876 --> 01:10:40,912
It could get done in the 5

1861
01:10:40,912 --> 01:10:41,613
months that you referenced in

1862
01:10:41,613 --> 01:10:42,780
mayor do why would you not do

1863
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:43,415
that as opposed to waiting to

1864
01:10:43,415 --> 01:10:44,820
something that happens in

1865
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:46,482
NOVEMBER and then beginning

1866
01:10:46,651 --> 01:10:47,385
that process from the you

1867
01:10:47,385 --> 01:10:50,550
should really be able to react

1868
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:50,756
as a government in a way it

1869
01:10:50,756 --> 01:10:53,756
allows you to preserve public

1870
01:10:54,592 --> 01:10:55,260
safety as quick as possible.

1871
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:55,961
Not quite private quick the

1872
01:10:55,961 --> 01:10:58,361
quicker government quick and

1873
01:10:59,463 --> 01:11:00,164
that still means they're all

1874
01:11:00,164 --> 01:11:00,832
the right steps that does not

1875
01:11:00,832 --> 01:11:03,232
mean taking shortcuts that

1876
01:11:03,702 --> 01:11:04,903
does not mean doing anything

1877
01:11:04,903 --> 01:11:05,870
that is it in the best fiscal

1878
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:07,870
responsibility.

1879
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,400
>> of municipalities.

1880
01:11:12,644 --> 01:11:13,345
>> it just means that you as

1881
01:11:13,345 --> 01:11:14,120
board would have the right to

1882
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,680
make a decision that was in

1883
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,382
the interests of the most

1884
01:11:17,382 --> 01:11:18,820
people order to make sure that

1885
01:11:18,820 --> 01:11:21,682
we were the homeless and it's

1886
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:22,754
possible.

1887
01:11:22,754 --> 01:11:24,923
>> understand that, but my

1888
01:11:24,923 --> 01:11:25,623
point is comparing the

1889
01:11:25,623 --> 01:11:27,626
timeline to do ordinance talk

1890
01:11:27,626 --> 01:11:30,626
with on council get the

1891
01:11:31,596 --> 01:11:32,431
commission to readings it's

1892
01:11:32,431 --> 01:11:35,366
going to take 5 or 6 months

1893
01:11:35,366 --> 01:11:36,401
just like a special election,

1894
01:11:36,401 --> 01:11:39,700
what but with a special

1895
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:41,720
election. I recognize the fact

1896
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:41,840
that the voters ultimately

1897
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,840
would decide is this something

1898
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:48,710
they want to approve if. Kathy

1899
01:11:49,548 --> 01:11:50,248
forced doesn't get past. I

1900
01:11:50,248 --> 01:11:53,248
agree something needs to get

1901
01:11:54,552 --> 01:11:55,887
past. What that looks like we

1902
01:11:55,887 --> 01:11:56,554
have to be very careful

1903
01:11:56,554 --> 01:11:59,554
because the voters are the

1904
01:12:00,291 --> 01:12:00,959
ones in control. Not and I

1905
01:12:00,959 --> 01:12:03,959
really hope that there are

1906
01:12:07,799 --> 01:12:11,399
going to be dollar limits on

1907
01:12:12,737 --> 01:12:13,472
all I've got to say because.

1908
01:12:13,472 --> 01:12:15,173
Always to get something passed

1909
01:12:15,173 --> 01:12:16,975
and if it's not feeding the

1910
01:12:16,975 --> 01:12:19,975
appetite of the voters. It's

1911
01:12:27,180 --> 01:12:28,319
not going to passed.

1912
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:29,153
Vice mayor and that I think of

1913
01:12:29,153 --> 01:12:29,820
public comments before I start

1914
01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:31,523
looking for some consensus,

1915
01:12:31,523 --> 01:12:33,923
yeah just to clarify.

1916
01:12:35,126 --> 01:12:35,526
>> this issue

1917
01:12:35,526 --> 01:12:37,526
>> special

1918
01:12:38,796 --> 01:12:41,796
>> election. And then the by

1919
01:12:43,568 --> 01:12:46,537
just to to a pond. Okay is a 5

1920
01:12:46,537 --> 01:12:47,204
to 7 month process. I mean

1921
01:12:47,204 --> 01:12:49,204
realistically whatever time

1922
01:12:49,207 --> 01:12:52,807
frame it takes. But it's you

1923
01:12:55,647 --> 01:12:56,314
to wait. Until a special

1924
01:12:56,314 --> 01:12:59,150
election in order to begin

1925
01:12:59,150 --> 01:12:59,851
that process you're talking

1926
01:12:59,851 --> 01:13:02,251
about what potentially could

1927
01:13:03,754 --> 01:13:05,256
be a half a year or more. To

1928
01:13:05,256 --> 01:13:08,856
get to the special election to

1929
01:13:11,329 --> 01:13:13,464
get the voters to approve.

1930
01:13:13,464 --> 01:13:16,464
Which would start the process

1931
01:13:17,135 --> 01:13:17,802
obtaining the so we're talking

1932
01:13:17,802 --> 01:13:19,360
about the time with that I

1933
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:19,704
think is what city manager was

1934
01:13:19,704 --> 01:13:23,304
trying to point out so that

1935
01:13:24,642 --> 01:13:25,943
you know to me.

1936
01:13:25,943 --> 01:13:26,644
>> a no-brainer I mean, can

1937
01:13:26,644 --> 01:13:28,980
you bring up the first slide

1938
01:13:28,980 --> 01:13:31,282
option, one because. There

1939
01:13:31,282 --> 01:13:34,882
were 2 parts to okay so we

1940
01:13:38,723 --> 01:13:39,423
have a public health and

1941
01:13:39,423 --> 01:13:41,823
safety response to regulatory

1942
01:13:50,968 --> 01:13:51,635
agencies. Responding to a 3rd

1943
01:13:51,635 --> 01:13:55,390
party a party that tells us

1944
01:13:55,390 --> 01:13:56,341
something needs to be done.

1945
01:13:56,341 --> 01:13:57,375
When we get to infrastructure,

1946
01:13:57,375 --> 01:13:58,750
including roads bridges, water

1947
01:13:58,750 --> 01:14:00,750
control structure sanitation

1948
01:14:00,578 --> 01:14:03,800
water and sewer. Police fire

1949
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,800
and the clear disaster could

1950
01:14:13,291 --> 01:14:14,492
items. For a and public safety

1951
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:16,930
and health and response to

1952
01:14:16,930 --> 01:14:17,295
regulatory agencies which

1953
01:14:17,295 --> 01:14:17,962
gives us flexibility a

1954
01:14:17,962 --> 01:14:19,797
catastrophic hurricane and

1955
01:14:19,797 --> 01:14:22,797
tornado GOD forbid the course

1956
01:14:23,701 --> 01:14:25,169
the city a 100 million

1957
01:14:25,169 --> 01:14:26,700
dollars. I mean to be tracked

1958
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:28,372
to shift iin 20 25 million

1959
01:14:28,372 --> 01:14:31,372
dollar cap would be. Insane.

1960
01:14:32,977 --> 01:14:35,377
But. Roads bridges water

1961
01:14:37,414 --> 01:14:39,814
structures. Pro project. Might

1962
01:14:40,785 --> 01:14:43,785
be reasonable in those cases

1963
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:46,724
because the dollar. Costs to

1964
01:14:46,724 --> 01:14:49,724
replace them or address the

1965
01:14:53,597 --> 01:14:54,298
problem. Or certainly up a

1966
01:14:54,298 --> 01:14:55,000
lesser dollars value and MAY

1967
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,000
give voters more for comfort

1968
01:14:58,302 --> 01:14:59,770
trying to. Rich the issue that

1969
01:14:59,770 --> 01:15:01,705
commissioner mcdowell

1970
01:15:01,705 --> 01:15:04,705
springing up. It's esta this

1971
01:15:06,177 --> 01:15:09,179
is going to have to meet. You

1972
01:15:09,179 --> 01:15:10,615
know comfort level of our of

1973
01:15:10,615 --> 01:15:11,382
our voting public out there so

1974
01:15:11,382 --> 01:15:14,318
I'm trying to think how do we

1975
01:15:14,318 --> 01:15:14,952
protect our souls from

1976
01:15:14,952 --> 01:15:17,352
something shuman this in

1977
01:15:20,624 --> 01:15:23,624
nature. First is what this

1978
01:15:25,396 --> 01:15:27,565
what we would consider it in

1979
01:15:27,565 --> 01:15:29,333
crisis road bridge water

1980
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:31,302
control structure nature but

1981
01:15:31,302 --> 01:15:32,200
that had some parameters on

1982
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,104
dollars point is doable it's

1983
01:15:34,104 --> 01:15:34,405
certainly within your free

1984
01:15:34,405 --> 01:15:35,390
too.

1985
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:38,639
>> do that to the set the

1986
01:15:38,943 --> 01:15:39,677
limits and senate multipliers

1987
01:15:39,677 --> 01:15:42,447
which would increase over time

1988
01:15:42,447 --> 01:15:43,147
get more so we could something

1989
01:15:43,147 --> 01:15:46,147
later with the previous that

1990
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:46,884
they get the aside from our

1991
01:15:46,884 --> 01:15:49,284
council that about 3 to 4

1992
01:15:51,222 --> 01:15:51,922
months to get the

1993
01:15:51,922 --> 01:15:52,823
>> that would give something

1994
01:15:52,823 --> 01:15:53,758
to play with create a little

1995
01:15:53,758 --> 01:15:54,458
more structure to whole thing

1996
01:15:54,458 --> 01:15:57,458
so it's a slight modification

1997
01:15:58,896 --> 01:15:59,630
option one. Should chicken

1998
01:15:59,630 --> 01:16:00,397
getting a little option 3 into

1999
01:16:00,397 --> 01:16:02,397
into option. One.

2000
01:16:03,233 --> 01:16:04,835
>> it's.

2001
01:16:04,835 --> 01:16:08,435
>> it also clear we want to

2002
01:16:09,806 --> 01:16:11,308
remind that. There are units

2003
01:16:11,308 --> 01:16:13,440
other than just so there, you

2004
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,440
know everything just in the

2005
01:16:23,354 --> 01:16:24,210
bonn bucket.

2006
01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:27,210
>> okay match or you're on

2007
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,694
here yes that I going to say

2008
01:16:29,694 --> 01:16:34,494
okay all right. If I MAY yes I

2009
01:16:36,767 --> 01:16:37,401
have.

2010
01:16:37,401 --> 01:16:39,801
>> on takes about 3 to 4

2011
01:16:41,706 --> 01:16:42,406
months to issue. As the bonds

2012
01:16:42,406 --> 01:16:43,107
that the voters approved for

2013
01:16:43,107 --> 01:16:45,507
price boulevard already been

2014
01:16:50,647 --> 01:16:52,647
issued.

2015
01:16:54,151 --> 01:16:57,151
>> because you to go until

2016
01:16:57,855 --> 01:16:59,556
you're faced with the design

2017
01:16:59,556 --> 01:17:00,324
is the needs of the project

2018
01:17:00,324 --> 01:17:03,260
we're going the project based

2019
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:03,927
on what that change just off

2020
01:17:03,927 --> 01:17:06,897
of the timeline what it the

2021
01:17:06,897 --> 01:17:09,667
time and now. The other I

2022
01:17:09,667 --> 01:17:12,103
would say was about you know

2023
01:17:12,103 --> 01:17:15,103
the the might that look

2024
01:17:16,741 --> 01:17:17,374
something happening in issue

2025
01:17:17,374 --> 01:17:19,276
in MAY. Most of this but

2026
01:17:19,276 --> 01:17:22,276
special election. And I heard

2027
01:17:22,579 --> 01:17:23,313
that a clerk

2028
01:17:23,313 --> 01:17:25,713
>> ration regarding on factors

2029
01:17:25,883 --> 01:17:26,517
that could affect that.

2030
01:17:26,517 --> 01:17:28,517
>> the special elections

2031
01:17:28,819 --> 01:17:29,453
kaufman we're talking about

2032
01:17:29,453 --> 01:17:32,453
it. You it with decision

2033
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:34,858
without. Using potentially

2034
01:17:34,858 --> 01:17:36,858
$100,000 of dollars when

2035
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:40,797
everyone would say yes we

2036
01:17:40,797 --> 01:17:41,398
wanted ask the emergency at a

2037
01:17:41,398 --> 01:17:43,398
situation. You probably

2038
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,838
exercise your authority as an

2039
01:17:47,838 --> 01:17:48,572
elected official at the say

2040
01:17:48,572 --> 01:17:49,272
well I need to go back to the

2041
01:17:49,272 --> 01:17:52,272
citizens asked are the place

2042
01:17:54,779 --> 01:17:58,379
is. Going do now that would

2043
01:17:59,917 --> 01:18:00,851
this state to replace to us it

2044
01:18:00,851 --> 01:18:02,953
all within the scope of

2045
01:18:02,953 --> 01:18:03,520
responsibilities that we are

2046
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,221
charged you know all

2047
01:18:04,221 --> 01:18:06,221
representing important people

2048
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:10,360
are.

2049
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,940
>> if

2050
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:14,940
>> I can continue because city

2051
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:15,765
manager opened the door, we're

2052
01:18:15,765 --> 01:18:16,400
not just talking we're talking

2053
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,800
about other decked being

2054
01:18:25,442 --> 01:18:27,410
incurred. Is all of that

2055
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:29,880
whatever avenue of debt being

2056
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:30,581
incurred whether its bond or

2057
01:18:30,581 --> 01:18:34,181
is that covered in what we're

2058
01:18:45,362 --> 01:18:46,930
talking about today.

2059
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:47,631
>> yes, been a lot lots of

2060
01:18:47,631 --> 01:18:48,932
talk about getting the voters

2061
01:18:48,932 --> 01:18:51,932
confidence and I know I've

2062
01:18:52,669 --> 01:18:53,337
talked to people that and I

2063
01:18:53,337 --> 01:18:54,370
know people my life we just

2064
01:18:54,370 --> 01:18:57,637
don't want to spend money on

2065
01:18:57,908 --> 01:19:02,108
anything but I I. Do want they

2066
01:19:02,713 --> 01:19:03,380
just they want break. But when

2067
01:19:03,380 --> 01:19:06,980
things have to be done they

2068
01:19:07,417 --> 01:19:08,151
have to be to spend money on

2069
01:19:08,151 --> 01:19:08,786
things that I've never and all

2070
01:19:08,786 --> 01:19:11,489
the years lived here have

2071
01:19:11,489 --> 01:19:13,357
never known commission to just

2072
01:19:13,357 --> 01:19:14,910
spend money on something for

2073
01:19:14,910 --> 01:19:17,627
religiously in. And it's a set

2074
01:19:17,627 --> 01:19:18,295
was a big mistake. I mean

2075
01:19:18,295 --> 01:19:20,695
everything was well thought

2076
01:19:20,798 --> 01:19:23,798
had a plan. Staff presented.

2077
01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:26,670
What what's being done. This

2078
01:19:26,670 --> 01:19:27,337
idea that I know there are

2079
01:19:27,337 --> 01:19:30,337
people out there that think

2080
01:19:31,308 --> 01:19:32,977
that. If we're not watching

2081
01:19:32,977 --> 01:19:34,110
what you're doing you're going

2082
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:34,811
to be spending money to send

2083
01:19:34,811 --> 01:19:37,114
people to on a trip around the

2084
01:19:37,114 --> 01:19:37,981
world or something don't know

2085
01:19:37,981 --> 01:19:39,616
what but we're talking about

2086
01:19:39,616 --> 01:19:41,616
emergency situations we're

2087
01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:44,421
talking about public health

2088
01:19:44,421 --> 01:19:46,590
and safety being able to make

2089
01:19:46,590 --> 01:19:47,791
those decisions and get things

2090
01:19:47,791 --> 01:19:48,525
done so we can continue to

2091
01:19:48,525 --> 01:19:51,928
live our lives and not have to

2092
01:19:51,928 --> 01:19:52,696
worry about these what I call

2093
01:19:52,696 --> 01:19:56,296
nuts and bolts of living like

2094
01:19:56,933 --> 01:19:57,635
that's what your job is to

2095
01:19:57,635 --> 01:20:01,235
take care of those things and

2096
01:20:02,672 --> 01:20:04,741
what you need to get it done.

2097
01:20:04,741 --> 01:20:06,743
And I say great this is what

2098
01:20:06,743 --> 01:20:08,278
we need to I guess we do have

2099
01:20:08,278 --> 01:20:11,278
discussed about caps I like

2100
01:20:14,151 --> 01:20:14,919
mayers idea different

2101
01:20:14,919 --> 01:20:15,619
different. The 2 agents here

2102
01:20:15,619 --> 01:20:17,530
with the 2 check marks those

2103
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:19,530
are 2 completely different

2104
01:20:20,691 --> 01:20:21,425
segments here so. At this time

2105
01:20:21,425 --> 01:20:24,461
I'd like to ask if there's any

2106
01:20:24,461 --> 01:20:26,461
public comment.

2107
01:20:29,132 --> 01:20:29,800
>> jasmine bowman. Public

2108
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:30,467
referendum should always be

2109
01:20:30,467 --> 01:20:31,134
part of any decisions made

2110
01:20:31,134 --> 01:20:31,435
about more borrowing. Thank

2111
01:20:31,435 --> 01:20:33,435
you.

2112
01:20:38,975 --> 01:20:39,642
>> all right, yes,

2113
01:20:39,642 --> 01:20:42,642
>> wasn't what it what next

2114
01:20:42,846 --> 01:20:43,547
and what you we want from you.

2115
01:20:43,547 --> 01:20:44,180
Yeah so the conversation that

2116
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:47,780
we heard you know we will

2117
01:20:48,318 --> 01:20:49,820
bring you back. Lately that

2118
01:20:49,820 --> 01:20:52,555
you know has a 3 combined

2119
01:20:52,555 --> 01:20:53,289
based on you know the cap

2120
01:20:53,289 --> 01:20:54,925
conversation definitions about

2121
01:20:54,925 --> 01:20:57,925
the emergency what does that

2122
01:20:58,729 --> 01:20:59,930
mean in how to better get your

2123
01:20:59,930 --> 01:21:01,865
comfort level. There is his

2124
01:21:01,865 --> 01:21:05,465
push them out in ways that

2125
01:21:06,136 --> 01:21:07,203
would still he MAY be caps or

2126
01:21:07,203 --> 01:21:07,937
either either suncap for some

2127
01:21:07,937 --> 01:21:10,937
guidance toward taub of dollar

2128
01:21:13,943 --> 01:21:16,943
amounts can factored into your

2129
01:21:18,314 --> 01:21:18,949
decision to what the upside it

2130
01:21:18,949 --> 01:21:19,650
>> ok so you don't need a

2131
01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:22,185
consensus for those things it

2132
01:21:22,185 --> 01:21:24,185
got

2133
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:29,860
that. I can sense it would be

2134
01:21:29,860 --> 01:21:30,560
great what you're looking for

2135
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,560
specifically but we know that

2136
01:21:36,650 --> 01:21:37,233
having to come back. What to

2137
01:21:37,233 --> 01:21:37,901
present stick to the advisory

2138
01:21:37,901 --> 01:21:38,602
work but also to bring back

2139
01:21:38,602 --> 01:21:40,602
what you

2140
01:21:44,208 --> 01:21:46,208
>> all right. Okay.

2141
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:53,470
>> the floor, yes.

2142
01:21:53,883 --> 01:21:54,718
>> always a question that to

2143
01:21:54,718 --> 01:21:58,318
MAY be trying to prepare or

2144
01:22:01,190 --> 01:22:01,892
trying to present a consensus.

2145
01:22:01,892 --> 01:22:04,892
Are we not overly qualifying

2146
01:22:05,161 --> 01:22:08,310
this. We've had. A pretty

2147
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:10,310
flexible discussion here.

2148
01:22:11,935 --> 01:22:14,935
Wondering what it. And again,

2149
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:15,672
I'm looking for direction city

2150
01:22:15,672 --> 01:22:19,272
manager as well as as city

2151
01:22:21,544 --> 01:22:22,245
attorney. Do we want bring for

2152
01:22:22,245 --> 01:22:25,782
the consensus or do you folks

2153
01:22:25,782 --> 01:22:26,450
have a comfort level for the

2154
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:28,850
general parameters of what

2155
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:30,530
we're looking for and see what

2156
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:32,453
might brought concerned only

2157
01:22:36,826 --> 01:22:40,426
about us. And not giving you

2158
01:22:40,496 --> 01:22:41,832
as much flexibility to really

2159
01:22:41,832 --> 01:22:42,532
come up with something you've

2160
01:22:42,532 --> 01:22:45,532
heard everything we've had to

2161
01:22:45,702 --> 01:22:46,469
say we're also missing one

2162
01:22:46,469 --> 01:22:47,103
commissioner and and this is

2163
01:22:47,103 --> 01:22:49,503
not something that that's

2164
01:22:50,339 --> 01:22:51,700
going to a real but can final

2165
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:54,770
decision it's going to be a

2166
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:54,911
bit of a process here. If I'm

2167
01:22:54,911 --> 01:22:58,511
just wondering do you need us

2168
01:22:58,615 --> 01:23:01,615
to really do a consensus.

2169
01:23:04,721 --> 01:23:05,355
>> up to that you've that city

2170
01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:06,230
attorney it says it as it

2171
01:23:06,230 --> 01:23:09,230
relates to getting the most

2172
01:23:10,894 --> 01:23:11,761
definitive. The I don't you

2173
01:23:11,761 --> 01:23:12,495
get consensus on any direction

2174
01:23:12,495 --> 01:23:16,333
you could not all of the unit,

2175
01:23:16,333 --> 01:23:17,233
what that should look like you

2176
01:23:17,233 --> 01:23:20,300
qualify, but is no box in

2177
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:22,739
district to what we're able to

2178
01:23:22,739 --> 01:23:23,840
sort of. Explore for greenback

2179
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,376
your final decision made that

2180
01:23:26,376 --> 01:23:27,110
that was the ways that we kept

2181
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:27,710
the bucket. But I believe that

2182
01:23:27,710 --> 01:23:29,245
we all have been given

2183
01:23:29,245 --> 01:23:31,645
sufficient direction and her

2184
01:23:31,748 --> 01:23:35,348
under if permission for us to

2185
01:23:35,351 --> 01:23:36,520
go continue to develop this to

2186
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:36,452
the process. We are based on

2187
01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:38,452
what we do

2188
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,929
launch yes, are related to

2189
01:23:46,929 --> 01:23:47,630
getting the language to give

2190
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:49,832
leverage you know on timeline

2191
01:23:49,832 --> 01:23:52,401
part of the reason why it sort

2192
01:23:52,401 --> 01:23:56,100
of get to that I separate

2193
01:23:57,873 --> 01:23:58,542
meeting early 2024. So so

2194
01:23:58,542 --> 01:23:59,209
based on what we heard you

2195
01:23:59,209 --> 01:24:01,711
know I feel very as to what

2196
01:24:01,711 --> 01:24:02,245
you do, but I would like to

2197
01:24:02,245 --> 01:24:04,245
with it

2198
01:24:08,651 --> 01:24:09,286
that was to

2199
01:24:09,286 --> 01:24:10,620
>> I respect what you're

2200
01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:13,200
saying with not having

2201
01:24:15,391 --> 01:24:16,590
consensus it would make. Do do

2202
01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:18,961
that highlights that we are

2203
01:24:18,961 --> 01:24:19,562
trying to get into in hitting

2204
01:24:19,562 --> 01:24:20,263
the charters current

2205
01:24:20,263 --> 01:24:20,964
requirements to go to charter

2206
01:24:20,964 --> 01:24:23,964
review advisory board to get

2207
01:24:25,835 --> 01:24:26,536
there. They're advising

2208
01:24:26,536 --> 01:24:29,105
commission if you could give

2209
01:24:29,105 --> 01:24:29,805
wrought. Consensus something

2210
01:24:29,805 --> 01:24:34,500
that you would like to see it

2211
01:24:34,143 --> 01:24:34,777
would. It would be helpful if

2212
01:24:34,777 --> 01:24:37,714
you choose not to get it

2213
01:24:37,714 --> 01:24:40,114
that's fine to teenagers

2214
01:24:41,384 --> 01:24:42,118
office too. Provide.

2215
01:24:42,118 --> 01:24:43,653
Correction or provide language

2216
01:24:43,653 --> 01:24:45,653
based on

2217
01:24:47,790 --> 01:24:48,257
>> so do I have someone. If

2218
01:24:48,257 --> 01:24:50,257
the consensus.

2219
01:24:55,431 --> 01:24:58,330
>> talk you want to try for

2220
01:24:58,330 --> 01:25:00,330
>> consensus construct. City

2221
01:25:03,773 --> 01:25:06,773
attorney city. And that staff

2222
01:25:11,347 --> 01:25:14,517
to come back with. A proposed.

2223
01:25:14,517 --> 01:25:16,917
Charter amendment. Based on

2224
01:25:24,561 --> 01:25:27,561
option one. We situation of.

2225
01:25:30,299 --> 01:25:32,299
>> apps.

2226
01:25:35,438 --> 01:25:37,438
>> non-emergency or clemson

2227
01:25:42,846 --> 01:25:45,214
some caps. Rich you trying to

2228
01:25:45,214 --> 01:25:45,915
keep general what's possible.

2229
01:25:45,915 --> 01:25:48,915
So something more you'd like

2230
01:25:49,719 --> 01:25:51,787
to see their might.

2231
01:25:51,787 --> 01:25:53,255
>> whatever you

2232
01:25:53,255 --> 01:25:56,255
>> we want to add something

2233
01:25:58,694 --> 01:25:59,362
that.

2234
01:25:59,362 --> 01:26:00,296
>> I I understand why city

2235
01:26:00,296 --> 01:26:03,296
attorney needs a consensus is.

2236
01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:07,269
This is why. I really don't

2237
01:26:07,269 --> 01:26:07,837
like workshops because we

2238
01:26:07,837 --> 01:26:09,972
could if we had it on

2239
01:26:09,972 --> 01:26:11,972
commission meeting.

2240
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:17,313
>> we could gain a motion and

2241
01:26:17,313 --> 01:26:19,148
majority will look at that

2242
01:26:19,148 --> 01:26:21,170
workshop now we just have we

2243
01:26:21,170 --> 01:26:21,784
have only a consensus as

2244
01:26:21,784 --> 01:26:24,784
opposed to clear and decisive

2245
01:26:25,721 --> 01:26:26,389
direction to city manager.

2246
01:26:26,389 --> 01:26:28,124
>> if we start small small

2247
01:26:28,124 --> 01:26:30,524
bites of the apple.

2248
01:26:33,196 --> 01:26:34,863
>> talk about caps.

2249
01:26:34,863 --> 01:26:36,365
>> talk about what we want in

2250
01:26:36,365 --> 01:26:37,990
this recommendation for option

2251
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:37,800
one it might give him a little

2252
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,768
bit clearance putting it all

2253
01:26:39,768 --> 01:26:41,971
in one bucket little bites of

2254
01:26:41,971 --> 01:26:45,571
the apple of buck. Well it

2255
01:26:48,277 --> 01:26:49,110
might be more beneficial.

2256
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:51,681
>> let's say we with that with

2257
01:26:51,681 --> 01:26:52,314
your consensus that was pretty

2258
01:26:52,314 --> 01:26:55,914
lot it didn't set any cap

2259
01:26:56,218 --> 01:26:57,887
limits on set have caps for

2260
01:26:57,887 --> 01:26:58,420
those 2 bullet check both to

2261
01:26:58,420 --> 01:27:00,420
components there so

2262
01:27:02,325 --> 01:27:02,925
commissioner average.

2263
01:27:02,925 --> 01:27:06,525
>> yeah I was I was in

2264
01:27:07,463 --> 01:27:08,130
agreement with that. With the

2265
01:27:08,130 --> 01:27:08,831
saying being with the caps

2266
01:27:08,831 --> 01:27:11,367
going on, but I would like to

2267
01:27:11,367 --> 01:27:12,680
stay conducive

2268
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:13,903
to what the counting I don't

2269
01:27:13,903 --> 01:27:16,806
want to cut it short that. You

2270
01:27:16,806 --> 01:27:19,575
know there 28 mountain. I I'm

2271
01:27:19,575 --> 01:27:23,450
giving you a cut off, but

2272
01:27:23,450 --> 01:27:23,746
right around 30 million. Would

2273
01:27:23,746 --> 01:27:25,381
be were I rather than having

2274
01:27:25,381 --> 01:27:27,817
it all wide open. You know on

2275
01:27:27,817 --> 01:27:30,285
those other areas. So that's

2276
01:27:30,285 --> 01:27:33,155
what I'm looking at not giving

2277
01:27:33,155 --> 01:27:35,324
you a number that's just. I

2278
01:27:35,324 --> 01:27:38,924
can agree with some tips. All

2279
01:27:39,995 --> 01:27:40,662
right so yes.

2280
01:27:40,662 --> 01:27:41,264
>> I'm a yes, vice mayor of

2281
01:27:41,264 --> 01:27:44,864
I'm a yes with that and

2282
01:27:46,668 --> 01:27:47,402
started commissioner mcdowell.

2283
01:27:47,402 --> 01:27:50,172
What happens when you bring it

2284
01:27:50,172 --> 01:27:50,472
back all up to the voters and

2285
01:27:50,472 --> 01:27:51,173
you.

2286
01:27:51,173 --> 01:27:53,842
>> please be cognizant if you

2287
01:27:53,842 --> 01:27:56,879
want this pass. Have to make

2288
01:27:56,879 --> 01:27:57,613
sure that voters are going to

2289
01:27:57,613 --> 01:28:00,613
be amenable to caps 30 million

2290
01:28:02,251 --> 01:28:02,952
dollars.

2291
01:28:02,952 --> 01:28:03,619
>> sitting up here is totally

2292
01:28:03,619 --> 01:28:04,319
different than sitting out

2293
01:28:04,319 --> 01:28:08,391
there and if I had to vote on

2294
01:28:08,391 --> 01:28:09,492
this is a citizen, not being

2295
01:28:09,492 --> 01:28:10,126
elected official not

2296
01:28:10,126 --> 01:28:10,793
understanding 30 million

2297
01:28:10,793 --> 01:28:13,793
dollars would scare I mean

2298
01:28:14,730 --> 01:28:14,835
it's a #

2299
01:28:14,835 --> 01:28:14,937
#

2300
01:28:14,937 --> 01:28:15,380
#

2301
01:28:15,380 --> 01:28:15,143
#

2302
01:28:15,143 --> 01:28:16,932
not.

2303
01:28:16,932 --> 01:28:18,534
>> that's going to feature

2304
01:28:18,534 --> 01:28:20,934
discount you're you're you're

2305
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:21,637
so can either be safe and

2306
01:28:21,637 --> 01:28:23,637
prepared.

2307
01:28:26,175 --> 01:28:26,876
>> or I

2308
01:28:26,876 --> 01:28:27,543
>> I get that but we have to

2309
01:28:27,543 --> 01:28:28,210
make sure that the citizens

2310
01:28:28,210 --> 01:28:31,810
are going to be amenable to

2311
01:28:33,749 --> 01:28:35,918
that if you need another or

2312
01:28:35,918 --> 01:28:37,918
yes, it

2313
01:28:41,790 --> 01:28:42,458
>> thank you MADAM Mayor, the.

2314
01:28:42,458 --> 01:28:43,159
>> rose bowl to make their

2315
01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:44,860
decisions that will be both a

2316
01:28:44,860 --> 01:28:45,561
vote on behalf of what they

2317
01:28:45,561 --> 01:28:49,161
think is in the best interest

2318
01:28:50,967 --> 01:28:51,667
of their so you as a board

2319
01:28:51,667 --> 01:28:52,334
today we're asking you which

2320
01:28:52,334 --> 01:28:54,360
is what you're trying quit

2321
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:54,737
which is the thing about the

2322
01:28:54,737 --> 01:28:57,706
most people and the good for

2323
01:28:57,706 --> 01:29:00,676
the most of city. That's the

2324
01:29:00,676 --> 01:29:01,343
difference in so we look at a

2325
01:29:01,343 --> 01:29:04,343
workshop shot we have these

2326
01:29:04,914 --> 01:29:06,914
conversations has rescission

2327
01:29:07,617 --> 01:29:08,284
that can you imagine tech

2328
01:29:08,284 --> 01:29:09,886
overnight meeting. At that

2329
01:29:09,886 --> 01:29:10,586
acting to the already busy

2330
01:29:10,586 --> 01:29:12,889
agenda. We need direction so

2331
01:29:12,889 --> 01:29:16,258
we don't go in. There are hold

2332
01:29:16,258 --> 01:29:19,762
the waste time way since that

2333
01:29:19,762 --> 01:29:20,863
wasting taxpayer dollars. So

2334
01:29:20,863 --> 01:29:24,166
our goal here is to get

2335
01:29:24,166 --> 01:29:24,900
because does get the direction

2336
01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:27,803
we can then narrowly focus our

2337
01:29:27,803 --> 01:29:28,503
efforts into something that

2338
01:29:28,503 --> 01:29:29,237
not only is time since might

2339
01:29:29,237 --> 01:29:32,237
be just important it is

2340
01:29:33,909 --> 01:29:37,509
sensitive sort of of a pickle

2341
01:29:39,682 --> 01:29:40,349
of that that we. Property for

2342
01:29:40,349 --> 01:29:40,982
the future. But we have to

2343
01:29:40,982 --> 01:29:44,186
make sure that we get the

2344
01:29:44,186 --> 01:29:44,853
right direction from you over

2345
01:29:44,853 --> 01:29:45,388
that city doing both at the

2346
01:29:45,388 --> 01:29:47,388
day

2347
01:29:51,894 --> 01:29:52,628
>> okay, so.

2348
01:29:52,628 --> 01:29:55,628
>> clarity what you are asking

2349
01:29:56,999 --> 01:29:57,500
for caps when you look at

2350
01:29:57,500 --> 01:29:58,667
casper category.

2351
01:29:58,667 --> 01:29:59,402
>> that's bring up end of that

2352
01:29:59,402 --> 01:30:02,402
training that for screening to

2353
01:30:02,504 --> 01:30:04,504
check mark.

2354
01:30:05,207 --> 01:30:07,607
>> so basically it's consensus

2355
01:30:10,179 --> 01:30:13,779
bring back with us option one.

2356
01:30:17,853 --> 01:30:18,487
With some caps on. 3 are the

2357
01:30:18,487 --> 01:30:19,788
bottom to infrastructure,

2358
01:30:19,788 --> 01:30:22,240
including roads bridges, water

2359
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:23,859
control structure sanitation

2360
01:30:23,859 --> 01:30:26,795
water and sort police fire and

2361
01:30:26,795 --> 01:30:27,462
the clear to falls on the

2362
01:30:27,462 --> 01:30:28,364
public's health safety that

2363
01:30:28,364 --> 01:30:31,964
would be whatever cap is that

2364
01:30:33,101 --> 01:30:34,369
would apply to all 3 of those.

2365
01:30:34,369 --> 01:30:36,171
>> little not necessarily as

2366
01:30:36,171 --> 01:30:37,206
public health and safety with

2367
01:30:37,206 --> 01:30:38,173
but that's what they're

2368
01:30:38,173 --> 01:30:39,341
determining its public health

2369
01:30:39,341 --> 01:30:41,741
and safety the regulatory

2370
01:30:43,145 --> 01:30:44,460
agency though I would to a

2371
01:30:44,460 --> 01:30:44,746
cap. On regular tour on the

2372
01:30:44,746 --> 01:30:46,282
response regulatory agencies

2373
01:30:46,282 --> 01:30:49,882
with mike came in made a

2374
01:30:49,918 --> 01:30:52,918
declaration we need to do

2375
01:30:52,921 --> 01:30:54,489
something it turned out to be

2376
01:30:54,489 --> 01:30:55,157
30 million dollar expense and

2377
01:30:55,157 --> 01:30:57,559
we have a cap per event of

2378
01:30:57,559 --> 01:30:58,660
15 million dollars or

2379
01:30:58,660 --> 01:30:59,795
20 million dollars that would

2380
01:30:59,795 --> 01:31:00,529
severely restrict to me the

2381
01:31:00,529 --> 01:31:02,965
bottle to the latest there are

2382
01:31:02,965 --> 01:31:04,233
the items were. My personal

2383
01:31:04,233 --> 01:31:07,233
opinion I felt there were

2384
01:31:08,203 --> 01:31:08,903
some. That could be

2385
01:31:08,903 --> 01:31:11,903
instituted, but when it comes

2386
01:31:12,841 --> 01:31:15,841
to. The clear local state

2387
01:31:16,879 --> 01:31:19,281
federal emergency or in terms

2388
01:31:19,281 --> 01:31:19,915
of public health and safety a

2389
01:31:19,915 --> 01:31:22,315
response to a regulatory

2390
01:31:23,152 --> 01:31:24,386
agency, things I don't think

2391
01:31:24,386 --> 01:31:26,522
you can put a cap on should

2392
01:31:26,522 --> 01:31:27,656
put a cap on because they

2393
01:31:27,656 --> 01:31:28,757
could be huge and they could

2394
01:31:28,757 --> 01:31:29,458
be extremely restrictive. It's

2395
01:31:29,458 --> 01:31:32,458
the bottom 2 items there that

2396
01:31:34,797 --> 01:31:38,397
I fell. What was some dollar

2397
01:31:38,667 --> 01:31:39,101
cops. Get what you want some

2398
01:31:39,101 --> 01:31:39,768
back without.

2399
01:31:39,768 --> 01:31:40,435
>> and then at that time we

2400
01:31:40,435 --> 01:31:41,737
could discuss we wanted to

2401
01:31:41,737 --> 01:31:43,838
break it up my understanding

2402
01:31:43,838 --> 01:31:46,238
was those 3 bullet points

2403
01:31:46,675 --> 01:31:47,800
under public health and

2404
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,800
safety.

2405
01:31:51,146 --> 01:31:51,947
>> not matter we're so I was

2406
01:31:51,947 --> 01:31:52,614
it was it would be a cap on

2407
01:31:52,614 --> 01:31:55,140
the emergency category the

2408
01:31:56,180 --> 01:31:57,886
capital put a category. I

2409
01:31:57,886 --> 01:31:58,587
would look and see what the

2410
01:31:58,587 --> 01:32:02,187
county doesn't on with it is

2411
01:32:03,324 --> 01:32:04,125
you know per project I really

2412
01:32:04,125 --> 01:32:05,193
are there was appetite to

2413
01:32:05,193 --> 01:32:05,894
follow the county does what I

2414
01:32:05,894 --> 01:32:08,363
thought was very good to keep

2415
01:32:08,363 --> 01:32:11,963
us in alignment with one of

2416
01:32:11,967 --> 01:32:13,368
the you know jurisdictions

2417
01:32:13,368 --> 01:32:15,690
around so maybe following

2418
01:32:15,690 --> 01:32:15,670
model based on how they do it

2419
01:32:15,670 --> 01:32:17,972
because we shouldn't be

2420
01:32:17,972 --> 01:32:18,673
sitting here trying to

2421
01:32:18,673 --> 01:32:19,274
reinvent the wheel. Let's do

2422
01:32:19,274 --> 01:32:21,274
something that someone

2423
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:22,177
successfully around this good

2424
01:32:22,177 --> 01:32:23,846
that we is sort of back of

2425
01:32:23,846 --> 01:32:24,479
that model okay.

2426
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,479
>> and when it comes back

2427
01:32:29,584 --> 01:32:30,251
that's we could night that.

2428
01:32:30,251 --> 01:32:30,852
>> commissioner average you

2429
01:32:30,852 --> 01:32:31,520
know one last thing and

2430
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:32,654
basically they're following

2431
01:32:32,654 --> 01:32:35,654
what state allows. So that's

2432
01:32:36,580 --> 01:32:36,792
what that's about in line. You

2433
01:32:36,792 --> 01:32:40,992
know in my opinion so we can't

2434
01:32:42,864 --> 01:32:44,864
do anything illegal.

2435
01:32:44,967 --> 01:32:45,634
>> did you say had something

2436
01:32:45,634 --> 01:32:48,634
else turning the mayor that

2437
01:32:49,304 --> 01:32:49,971
we've this meant.

2438
01:32:49,971 --> 01:32:52,971
>> manager could make a all

2439
01:32:55,911 --> 01:32:56,645
right. We public. Okay. All

2440
01:32:56,645 --> 01:33:00,548
right so when you want to move

2441
01:33:00,548 --> 01:33:02,551
on to. Item anybody need short

2442
01:33:02,551 --> 01:33:06,151
break stake. Frank what do you

2443
01:33:07,676 --> 01:33:11,876
that also in your go bags you

2444
01:33:13,449 --> 01:33:15,449
should have non-perishable

2445
01:33:16,586 --> 01:33:19,586
batteries or all power goes

2446
01:33:20,456 --> 01:33:21,457
out we good break on 97 any

2447
01:33:21,457 --> 01:33:23,126
break any emergency

2448
01:33:23,126 --> 01:33:26,126
information all right we're on

2449
01:33:28,197 --> 01:33:28,831
to.

2450
01:33:28,831 --> 01:33:29,532
>> item d discussion and

2451
01:33:29,532 --> 01:33:31,133
possible direction regarding

2452
01:33:31,133 --> 01:33:31,834
the draft of not unified land

2453
01:33:31,834 --> 01:33:34,234
development code chapter for

2454
01:33:34,806 --> 01:33:36,873
site development part. City

2455
01:33:36,873 --> 01:33:39,273
manager this is your

2456
01:33:42,378 --> 01:33:43,790
>> they came this active going

2457
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:46,790
to development co chapter for

2458
01:33:47,116 --> 01:33:47,951
part 2 is.

2459
01:33:47,951 --> 01:33:48,651
>> a lot what the commission

2460
01:33:48,651 --> 01:33:51,321
have received in review over

2461
01:33:51,321 --> 01:33:53,623
the course both we are headed

2462
01:33:53,623 --> 01:33:54,324
towards completion of this

2463
01:33:54,324 --> 01:33:57,324
very sooner rather than later

2464
01:33:58,494 --> 01:34:00,950
kind excited. But we do have

2465
01:34:00,950 --> 01:34:00,796
our team here on the table and

2466
01:34:00,796 --> 01:34:04,100
to go through this with us a

2467
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:05,201
little further as we get word.

2468
01:34:05,201 --> 01:34:06,269
It would indirectly the

2469
01:34:06,269 --> 01:34:07,360
workshop, so that we can bring

2470
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,636
for some action in the future

2471
01:34:14,477 --> 01:34:16,877
over to this case.

2472
01:34:29,726 --> 01:34:32,126
>> I you want it.

2473
01:34:32,228 --> 01:34:34,228
Good for the

2474
01:34:37,300 --> 01:34:37,967
record katie while planet 3.

2475
01:34:37,967 --> 01:34:38,601
>> with the city of port so

2476
01:34:38,601 --> 01:34:39,301
today we're going to talk

2477
01:34:39,301 --> 01:34:42,901
about you want to chapter for

2478
01:34:46,242 --> 01:34:48,642
part 2. So my presentation

2479
01:34:51,247 --> 01:34:52,415
basically covers updates on 23

2480
01:34:52,415 --> 01:34:54,483
am. After 4 part 2 I'm going

2481
01:34:54,483 --> 01:34:55,150
to go over what we want last

2482
01:34:55,150 --> 01:34:55,851
time least briefly just so

2483
01:34:55,851 --> 01:34:58,687
that you know what we cover

2484
01:34:58,687 --> 01:34:59,288
last time what the second part

2485
01:34:59,288 --> 01:34:59,956
is when you go over the

2486
01:34:59,956 --> 01:35:01,657
article specific some major

2487
01:35:01,657 --> 01:35:04,570
changes. I included the

2488
01:35:05,294 --> 01:35:07,694
consensus items. There's I

2489
01:35:09,165 --> 01:35:09,832
think 6 of what the next steps

2490
01:35:09,832 --> 01:35:12,832
are and then questions and

2491
01:35:13,369 --> 01:35:16,969
comments at the end. We don't

2492
01:35:16,972 --> 01:35:19,372
have any major project

2493
01:35:20,743 --> 01:35:23,110
chapters one through of. Are

2494
01:35:23,110 --> 01:35:24,380
you guys have all seen. We

2495
01:35:24,380 --> 01:35:26,916
don't have any major changes

2496
01:35:26,916 --> 01:35:30,852
to one of the big changes is

2497
01:35:30,852 --> 01:35:32,821
that we're going to have 6

2498
01:35:32,821 --> 01:35:33,522
chapters instead of 5 chapters

2499
01:35:33,522 --> 01:35:36,910
we're going to have signs to

2500
01:35:36,910 --> 01:35:36,892
their own chapter they will be

2501
01:35:36,892 --> 01:35:37,993
chapter 5 that was sort of at

2502
01:35:37,993 --> 01:35:40,393
the recommendation of our

2503
01:35:42,231 --> 01:35:43,933
legal counsel just in case in

2504
01:35:43,933 --> 01:35:45,340
the future we are ever

2505
01:35:45,340 --> 01:35:46,202
challenge shifts. It will

2506
01:35:46,202 --> 01:35:46,869
remain chapter and being

2507
01:35:46,869 --> 01:35:47,502
spread out through multiple

2508
01:35:47,502 --> 01:35:50,502
chapters, it just sort of

2509
01:35:51,140 --> 01:35:52,141
helps us. So that's the big

2510
01:35:52,141 --> 01:35:54,541
change. There's that chapter 5

2511
01:35:55,444 --> 01:35:59,440
the signs. And that that will

2512
01:35:59,915 --> 01:36:01,170
have 6 chapters

2513
01:36:01,170 --> 01:36:02,985
>> so chapter 4 is all that

2514
01:36:02,985 --> 01:36:05,385
site development in our

2515
01:36:05,621 --> 01:36:07,356
previous workshops, we went

2516
01:36:07,356 --> 01:36:08,240
over for so that talked about

2517
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,240
rules measurements. Buffers

2518
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:11,600
development standards fire

2519
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:11,694
safety lighting.

2520
01:36:11,694 --> 01:36:13,694
>> bran improvements open

2521
01:36:15,798 --> 01:36:16,332
space parking loading. Our 2

2522
01:36:16,332 --> 01:36:16,999
include storm water

2523
01:36:16,999 --> 01:36:18,999
subdivisions transportation

2524
01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:25,207
and utilities. Really in part

2525
01:36:25,207 --> 01:36:27,309
to not a whole changed from

2526
01:36:27,309 --> 01:36:30,646
what our current code says a

2527
01:36:30,646 --> 01:36:31,280
lot of these are sort

2528
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,280
engineering specific type

2529
01:36:33,416 --> 01:36:36,416
standards and so we there's

2530
01:36:37,653 --> 01:36:41,253
just a huge amount of change.

2531
01:36:41,891 --> 01:36:43,125
Article 10 is on storm water.

2532
01:36:43,125 --> 01:36:46,125
Basically the major change to

2533
01:36:46,195 --> 01:36:47,630
most of these is that the

2534
01:36:47,630 --> 01:36:47,763
engineering or public works

2535
01:36:47,763 --> 01:36:49,965
department is going to create

2536
01:36:49,965 --> 01:36:52,365
an engineering design manual.

2537
01:36:52,434 --> 01:36:53,102
So a lot of those specifics

2538
01:36:53,102 --> 01:36:55,502
about like road complexion

2539
01:36:59,374 --> 01:37:01,110
and. You know water flow

2540
01:37:01,110 --> 01:37:01,810
things that are specific to

2541
01:37:01,810 --> 01:37:04,210
engineering standards are not

2542
01:37:04,446 --> 01:37:05,113
going to be part of the uldc

2543
01:37:05,113 --> 01:37:05,814
which will make it a little

2544
01:37:05,814 --> 01:37:06,448
bit easier for them to update

2545
01:37:06,448 --> 01:37:10,480
over time as they need to

2546
01:37:10,986 --> 01:37:13,386
know. So. Nothing earth

2547
01:37:15,891 --> 01:37:16,558
breaking shattering and storm

2548
01:37:16,558 --> 01:37:17,393
water. Most of the changes

2549
01:37:17,393 --> 01:37:18,600
again are going to be and

2550
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,763
changes. I'm annual we just

2551
01:37:20,763 --> 01:37:21,464
took out all of the specifics.

2552
01:37:21,464 --> 01:37:24,464
So the stormwater chapters up

2553
01:37:24,566 --> 01:37:25,268
same as what we have now

2554
01:37:25,268 --> 01:37:26,668
subdivisions again about the

2555
01:37:26,668 --> 01:37:30,868
same as what we have now. The

2556
01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:33,242
big change. If follow the big

2557
01:37:33,242 --> 01:37:35,744
changes that a lot of our

2558
01:37:35,744 --> 01:37:36,444
general standards had been

2559
01:37:36,444 --> 01:37:37,146
located the subdivision

2560
01:37:37,146 --> 01:37:39,315
section we instead have moved

2561
01:37:39,315 --> 01:37:42,315
those out likable sections and

2562
01:37:43,952 --> 01:37:45,588
the rest of chapter

2563
01:37:45,588 --> 01:37:46,221
subdivision still has

2564
01:37:46,221 --> 01:37:46,855
basically the same

2565
01:37:46,855 --> 01:37:48,855
requirements for accuracy

2566
01:37:49,958 --> 01:37:50,793
easements lots blocks

2567
01:37:50,793 --> 01:37:52,394
orientation natural features

2568
01:37:52,394 --> 01:37:54,363
monuments and those are

2569
01:37:54,363 --> 01:37:56,763
monuments like the serving

2570
01:37:59,534 --> 01:38:00,169
monuments. I'm like a little

2571
01:38:00,169 --> 01:38:02,938
monuments that are in the

2572
01:38:02,938 --> 01:38:05,938
corner of your property. The

2573
01:38:08,877 --> 01:38:10,979
stakes that sort of park space

2574
01:38:10,979 --> 01:38:11,614
public amenities roads and

2575
01:38:11,614 --> 01:38:12,314
sidewalks storm water

2576
01:38:12,314 --> 01:38:14,714
management utilities and and

2577
01:38:16,651 --> 01:38:17,319
the subdivision section

2578
01:38:17,319 --> 01:38:17,886
specifically for roads and

2579
01:38:17,886 --> 01:38:18,621
sidewalks stormwater

2580
01:38:18,621 --> 01:38:19,154
management utilities basically

2581
01:38:19,154 --> 01:38:20,589
it says look at the

2582
01:38:20,589 --> 01:38:23,589
requirements that are in the

2583
01:38:27,429 --> 01:38:29,829
rest of chapter 4. Article 12.

2584
01:38:33,635 --> 01:38:35,904
So the transportation. So

2585
01:38:35,904 --> 01:38:37,706
basically it took the

2586
01:38:37,706 --> 01:38:38,207
categories from what was kurt

2587
01:38:38,207 --> 01:38:38,907
previously in our

2588
01:38:38,907 --> 01:38:41,143
transportation section or the

2589
01:38:41,143 --> 01:38:43,543
roads and sidewalks section.

2590
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:46,982
Again all of those specific

2591
01:38:46,982 --> 01:38:47,849
engineering standards will be

2592
01:38:47,849 --> 01:38:48,483
in the engineering design

2593
01:38:48,483 --> 01:38:49,118
manual. They're currently

2594
01:38:49,118 --> 01:38:49,818
working on that is being

2595
01:38:49,818 --> 01:38:52,818
developed with this in mind.

2596
01:38:53,322 --> 01:38:56,322
>> and so. This article just

2597
01:38:57,526 --> 01:39:00,526
gives a lake. Overview tells

2598
01:39:01,575 --> 01:39:02,564
you that you have to have a

2599
01:39:02,564 --> 01:39:03,232
public public works permit. It

2600
01:39:03,232 --> 01:39:03,966
gives you some general, you

2601
01:39:03,966 --> 01:39:04,833
know minimum right of way with

2602
01:39:04,833 --> 01:39:07,833
its turning right you guys

2603
01:39:09,370 --> 01:39:10,105
that we require sidewalks that

2604
01:39:10,105 --> 01:39:10,972
we want bike lanes a multiple

2605
01:39:10,972 --> 01:39:14,572
trails and how to do street

2606
01:39:16,712 --> 01:39:17,312
names we sort of at us as a

2607
01:39:17,312 --> 01:39:18,130
skeleton so that the

2608
01:39:18,130 --> 01:39:20,413
engineering design manual can

2609
01:39:22,350 --> 01:39:25,350
fill in the gaps. Article 13,

2610
01:39:27,489 --> 01:39:28,190
it's all about water.

2611
01:39:28,190 --> 01:39:30,759
>> this is basically the same

2612
01:39:30,759 --> 01:39:31,427
as our current water standards

2613
01:39:31,427 --> 01:39:32,127
or utilities. Most of it is

2614
01:39:32,127 --> 01:39:35,127
water-related some of that is

2615
01:39:38,660 --> 01:39:38,800
not a water related. With

2616
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:39,535
utilities. This is really just

2617
01:39:39,535 --> 01:39:41,536
a reorganization of all of the

2618
01:39:41,536 --> 01:39:42,237
standards that we currently

2619
01:39:42,237 --> 01:39:45,837
have so that they're a little

2620
01:39:46,708 --> 01:39:47,643
bit easier understand. So we

2621
01:39:47,643 --> 01:39:48,276
broke them down into potable

2622
01:39:48,276 --> 01:39:50,110
water systems wastewater

2623
01:39:50,110 --> 01:39:50,745
systems reuse water systems

2624
01:39:50,745 --> 01:39:53,745
other utilities. So that other

2625
01:39:55,484 --> 01:39:56,151
utilities is where. Table

2626
01:39:56,151 --> 01:39:58,551
electricity. Those types of

2627
01:40:01,656 --> 01:40:03,892
things would be drafted. That

2628
01:40:03,892 --> 01:40:06,494
sort my brief overview of the

2629
01:40:06,494 --> 01:40:09,494
chapter. Because this is sort

2630
01:40:10,198 --> 01:40:13,198
of a. And sharing specific

2631
01:40:15,204 --> 01:40:15,904
section.

2632
01:40:15,904 --> 01:40:16,638
>> we don't have a whole lot

2633
01:40:16,638 --> 01:40:17,272
of more details that we really

2634
01:40:17,272 --> 01:40:17,840
need to go into of course

2635
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,240
we're happy to answer

2636
01:40:21,509 --> 01:40:22,243
questions we did have 6

2637
01:40:22,243 --> 01:40:23,445
consensus items that were sort

2638
01:40:23,445 --> 01:40:27,450
of a combination of the part

2639
01:40:27,483 --> 01:40:28,183
one and part 2 because one of

2640
01:40:28,183 --> 01:40:28,884
the commissioners was absent

2641
01:40:28,884 --> 01:40:32,484
for the workshop for the part

2642
01:40:34,656 --> 01:40:35,724
one. So I can either go over

2643
01:40:35,724 --> 01:40:36,491
questions now and then go

2644
01:40:36,491 --> 01:40:37,192
through the consensus items or

2645
01:40:37,192 --> 01:40:40,792
we can the consensus items it

2646
01:40:46,701 --> 01:40:47,402
is up to commission.

2647
01:40:47,402 --> 01:40:48,136
>> questions first. What was

2648
01:40:48,136 --> 01:40:51,736
present it on to the consensus

2649
01:40:56,178 --> 01:40:56,912
items. Look to see what they

2650
01:40:56,912 --> 01:40:57,612
want no. Yeah I liked and I to

2651
01:40:57,612 --> 01:40:59,648
know what the consensus items

2652
01:40:59,648 --> 01:41:00,281
are okay.

2653
01:41:00,281 --> 01:41:02,681
>> so we have 6 consensus

2654
01:41:04,180 --> 01:41:06,822
items. I sort of lump them

2655
01:41:06,822 --> 01:41:09,822
together by topic. So the

2656
01:41:11,393 --> 01:41:12,930
first relates to large palms

2657
01:41:12,930 --> 01:41:13,795
being substituted for canopy

2658
01:41:13,795 --> 01:41:17,995
trees on a one to one ratio.

2659
01:41:20,402 --> 01:41:21,360
This was.

2660
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:21,603
>> landscaping materials

2661
01:41:21,603 --> 01:41:23,603
offers a landscaping

2662
01:41:27,175 --> 01:41:29,175
landscaping. Master treeless.

2663
01:41:29,777 --> 01:41:30,479
>> an article 3 of the

2664
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:34,790
chapter. So this is from part

2665
01:41:35,183 --> 01:41:35,850
one.

2666
01:41:35,850 --> 01:41:36,951
>> one of the commissioners

2667
01:41:36,951 --> 01:41:37,685
has requested that we do not

2668
01:41:37,685 --> 01:41:38,419
allow substitution on a one to

2669
01:41:38,419 --> 01:41:41,590
one ratio that we keep it that

2670
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:42,224
the 3 to one.

2671
01:41:42,224 --> 01:41:45,224
>> large palms as well as

2672
01:41:46,395 --> 01:41:49,395
smaller palms. That would be

2673
01:41:49,831 --> 01:41:52,231
my first consensus item.

2674
01:41:53,401 --> 01:41:55,401
>> okay.

2675
01:41:57,572 --> 01:41:58,639
>> so if you're on go from

2676
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:02,239
here about what want to ask

2677
01:42:04,980 --> 01:42:06,948
questions. Man. Input half you

2678
01:42:06,948 --> 01:42:10,548
got and with regard keep that.

2679
01:42:12,887 --> 01:42:15,887
Yeah there go. I personally

2680
01:42:18,727 --> 01:42:20,729
have to get of palm trees a as

2681
01:42:20,729 --> 01:42:22,797
kind of petri site I think you

2682
01:42:22,797 --> 01:42:26,397
know a lot of countries like

2683
01:42:27,769 --> 01:42:28,436
themselves to I'm not big fan

2684
01:42:28,436 --> 01:42:32,360
black and and and the other

2685
01:42:32,807 --> 01:42:35,444
options there from my gauge

2686
01:42:35,444 --> 01:42:36,111
citizens that I've talked to

2687
01:42:36,111 --> 01:42:39,111
their awful like slump, but

2688
01:42:42,551 --> 01:42:43,952
I'm curious as to what our.

2689
01:42:43,952 --> 01:42:46,454
You know our promise people

2690
01:42:46,454 --> 01:42:47,889
you know what what are they

2691
01:42:47,889 --> 01:42:48,590
telling us. You know are they

2692
01:42:48,590 --> 01:42:51,590
comfortable with this is that

2693
01:42:51,726 --> 01:42:53,726
their recommendation.

2694
01:43:03,380 --> 01:43:04,906
>> I don't remember where.

2695
01:43:04,906 --> 01:43:07,809
>> ratio or the one to one

2696
01:43:07,809 --> 01:43:08,643
ratio for the alms that we

2697
01:43:08,643 --> 01:43:09,344
they're specifically large

2698
01:43:09,344 --> 01:43:12,213
large alms they have over 20

2699
01:43:12,213 --> 01:43:14,213
feet of spread

2700
01:43:15,550 --> 01:43:16,250
>> palm fronds so you're

2701
01:43:16,250 --> 01:43:18,650
looking at particularly large

2702
01:43:19,254 --> 01:43:20,550
palm trees, the one to one

2703
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:22,230
ratio is used in other

2704
01:43:22,230 --> 01:43:24,423
jurisdictions for these types

2705
01:43:25,694 --> 01:43:28,940
of palms. Staff thinks

2706
01:43:29,864 --> 01:43:30,665
separate allowing these in

2707
01:43:30,665 --> 01:43:33,650
some instances you know

2708
01:43:33,501 --> 01:43:34,690
landscaping code already.

2709
01:43:34,690 --> 01:43:34,769
Doesn't allow you to

2710
01:43:34,769 --> 01:43:37,769
substitute more then I think

2711
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:38,974
it's. 40% of your tree

2712
01:43:38,974 --> 01:43:41,342
requirement with palm trees

2713
01:43:41,342 --> 01:43:44,942
anyways. So this would be a

2714
01:43:46,814 --> 01:43:47,982
substitution. That would allow

2715
01:43:47,982 --> 01:43:49,517
some variation the types of

2716
01:43:49,517 --> 01:43:52,190
trees that we would counted

2717
01:43:52,190 --> 01:43:54,355
tours canopy trees I think it

2718
01:43:54,355 --> 01:43:56,240
would just add variety.

2719
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,393
>> and with regard to number 2

2720
01:43:58,393 --> 01:44:01,462
here. When we talk about palm

2721
01:44:01,462 --> 01:44:04,366
trees as street trees, the

2722
01:44:04,366 --> 01:44:07,366
fine street trees for us.

2723
01:44:09,404 --> 01:44:11,139
>> so the city has a street

2724
01:44:11,139 --> 01:44:11,839
tree requirements. For new so

2725
01:44:11,839 --> 01:44:13,842
this would be a type of tree

2726
01:44:13,842 --> 01:44:16,842
that developer could in the

2727
01:44:19,447 --> 01:44:22,750
right of as a street tree.

2728
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:23,752
Street trees have multiple

2729
01:44:23,752 --> 01:44:26,152
purposes there to provide

2730
01:44:26,287 --> 01:44:29,124
shade they help with. As crazy

2731
01:44:29,124 --> 01:44:32,124
as it sounds. Traffic and

2732
01:44:33,461 --> 01:44:37,610
speeding. They help. And a lot

2733
01:44:38,399 --> 01:44:40,201
of what so there. Well a palm

2734
01:44:40,201 --> 01:44:41,336
tree is not going to provide

2735
01:44:41,336 --> 01:44:43,905
the shade overstreet that an

2736
01:44:43,905 --> 01:44:46,905
oak tree wilpon spot interfere

2737
01:44:47,976 --> 01:44:48,643
with. The pavement. You're

2738
01:44:48,643 --> 01:44:49,377
still going to get a lot of

2739
01:44:49,377 --> 01:44:51,646
those other benefits of having

2740
01:44:51,646 --> 01:44:53,248
the trees. And again it will

2741
01:44:53,248 --> 01:44:55,648
probably provide some variety.

2742
01:45:01,155 --> 01:45:03,124
Are streetscape.

2743
01:45:03,124 --> 01:45:04,359
>> commissioner now the only

2744
01:45:04,359 --> 01:45:05,494
reason why requested this is

2745
01:45:05,494 --> 01:45:06,194
because the other poems that

2746
01:45:06,194 --> 01:45:09,794
were in that section, many of

2747
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:11,533
them were 3 to one. The 2 that

2748
01:45:11,533 --> 01:45:15,133
I had requested was the royal

2749
01:45:16,404 --> 01:45:17,639
palms that cuban in florida.

2750
01:45:17,639 --> 01:45:19,540
Be replaced at 3 to one also

2751
01:45:19,540 --> 01:45:22,760
because the other ones are 3

2752
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:22,777
to that that is the reason why

2753
01:45:22,777 --> 01:45:25,146
was requesting it and we need

2754
01:45:25,146 --> 01:45:28,583
a consensus on it. It's not

2755
01:45:28,583 --> 01:45:29,250
all palms are one to one.

2756
01:45:29,250 --> 01:45:29,884
There are many other ponds

2757
01:45:29,884 --> 01:45:33,484
that are 3 to one in that

2758
01:45:35,289 --> 01:45:37,289
list.

2759
01:45:41,963 --> 01:45:43,197
>> okay MISTER Image. I know

2760
01:45:43,197 --> 01:45:43,998
she had just mention the royal

2761
01:45:43,998 --> 01:45:44,699
but do queen palms fall under

2762
01:45:44,699 --> 01:45:46,334
that category as large funds

2763
01:45:46,334 --> 01:45:48,334
as well.

2764
01:46:01,683 --> 01:46:02,350
>> I mean look at now.

2765
01:46:02,350 --> 01:46:03,500
There

2766
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:06,500
another name that those would

2767
01:46:07,922 --> 01:46:09,922
go by.

2768
01:46:13,694 --> 01:46:14,662
>> queen bee bombs.

2769
01:46:14,662 --> 01:46:15,663
>> I don't see queen palms

2770
01:46:15,663 --> 01:46:16,330
specifically on the list and

2771
01:46:16,330 --> 01:46:18,365
double checked, I tried to

2772
01:46:18,365 --> 01:46:20,365
include florida native.

2773
01:46:21,802 --> 01:46:24,802
>> and most of treeless came

2774
01:46:25,606 --> 01:46:25,907
from our existing true but I

2775
01:46:25,907 --> 01:46:26,607
did.

2776
01:46:26,607 --> 01:46:27,275
>> I don't see that on there,

2777
01:46:27,275 --> 01:46:30,611
but it could be a goes by a

2778
01:46:30,611 --> 01:46:30,912
different name that could be

2779
01:46:30,912 --> 01:46:32,613
true.

2780
01:46:32,613 --> 01:46:33,181
>> my main thing when they're

2781
01:46:33,181 --> 01:46:35,583
going 3 to one and I

2782
01:46:35,583 --> 01:46:36,284
understand how big the royals

2783
01:46:36,284 --> 01:46:39,284
get their normally they're in

2784
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:40,755
a great thing are 3 to one.

2785
01:46:40,755 --> 01:46:44,355
>> so it's kind of hard group

2786
01:46:44,492 --> 01:46:45,159
these large trees in an area.

2787
01:46:45,159 --> 01:46:45,861
All right so I I could deal

2788
01:46:45,861 --> 01:46:50,610
with the large palms as a one

2789
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:52,934
to one. And should they be

2790
01:46:52,934 --> 01:46:54,201
allowed to street trees now

2791
01:46:54,201 --> 01:46:55,603
this is where my my main

2792
01:46:55,603 --> 01:46:56,337
question comes census on the

2793
01:46:56,337 --> 01:46:58,472
developer who's maintained and

2794
01:46:58,472 --> 01:47:01,472
all those palm trees. Because

2795
01:47:02,944 --> 01:47:03,978
once they become on the story.

2796
01:47:03,978 --> 01:47:04,646
That it could be the city's

2797
01:47:04,646 --> 01:47:05,346
responsibility to make sure

2798
01:47:05,346 --> 01:47:08,346
that those palms are trimmed

2799
01:47:11,185 --> 01:47:12,420
and taken out of roadway and

2800
01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:14,222
and you've already mentioned

2801
01:47:14,222 --> 01:47:14,922
that yeah there are less

2802
01:47:14,922 --> 01:47:16,924
damaging than the oak trees,

2803
01:47:16,924 --> 01:47:17,525
but I believe in some of your

2804
01:47:17,525 --> 01:47:20,525
areas or you've got re

2805
01:47:21,620 --> 01:47:22,529
barriers that are going to be

2806
01:47:22,529 --> 01:47:23,230
place to where the roots will

2807
01:47:23,230 --> 01:47:24,665
not go towards the sidewalks

2808
01:47:24,665 --> 01:47:27,665
and everything so. You know

2809
01:47:29,636 --> 01:47:31,272
it's sort of like a. And I'm

2810
01:47:31,272 --> 01:47:34,800
>> I think it depends on the

2811
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:34,709
ownership but I'm not.

2812
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:36,911
>> entirely sure how we deal

2813
01:47:36,911 --> 01:47:38,911
with that now.

2814
01:47:40,581 --> 01:47:41,282
>> public works director so if

2815
01:47:41,282 --> 01:47:42,817
palm trees or whatever trees

2816
01:47:42,817 --> 01:47:45,817
are planted. Within the city

2817
01:47:47,689 --> 01:47:48,356
right of way that's an

2818
01:47:48,356 --> 01:47:49,230
improvement to the right of

2819
01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:49,757
way that the property they

2820
01:47:49,757 --> 01:47:52,757
would be the responsibility of

2821
01:47:52,927 --> 01:47:54,328
the property owners take.

2822
01:47:54,328 --> 01:47:56,163
>> and if they don't maintain

2823
01:47:56,163 --> 01:47:57,980
and we've got sanitation

2824
01:47:57,980 --> 01:47:57,865
trucks going down there or

2825
01:47:57,865 --> 01:47:59,865
getting battered problems

2826
01:48:01,735 --> 01:48:02,700
oakland's whatever the tree

2827
01:48:02,700 --> 01:48:02,804
MAY be.

2828
01:48:02,804 --> 01:48:05,139
>> how are we going to rectify

2829
01:48:05,139 --> 01:48:05,840
that we're going to code

2830
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:06,574
enforcement first. If it's a

2831
01:48:06,574 --> 01:48:09,574
safety issue then public works

2832
01:48:11,912 --> 01:48:14,480
will take care. I'm a little

2833
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:18,248
iffy on the on the street tree

2834
01:48:19,287 --> 01:48:19,987
basis but I understand it's

2835
01:48:19,987 --> 01:48:20,655
different and it MAY be more

2836
01:48:20,655 --> 01:48:21,389
welcoming because we are in

2837
01:48:21,389 --> 01:48:24,989
the south and tropical this at

2838
01:48:26,594 --> 01:48:27,194
other so. I just didn't want

2839
01:48:27,194 --> 01:48:27,895
big wants to be grouped

2840
01:48:27,895 --> 01:48:30,295
together because that's going

2841
01:48:34,168 --> 01:48:35,269
to nearly impossible.

2842
01:48:35,269 --> 01:48:36,337
>> and just to clarify so that

2843
01:48:36,337 --> 01:48:39,337
should that should want a 1,

2844
01:48:40,374 --> 01:48:41,642
2, 3 ratio 9 one to

2845
01:48:41,642 --> 01:48:44,478
>> know for the large palms,

2846
01:48:44,478 --> 01:48:46,213
we have a few that are one to

2847
01:48:46,213 --> 01:48:49,317
one and there few other palm

2848
01:48:49,317 --> 01:48:49,883
trees that are 3 to one ratio

2849
01:48:49,883 --> 01:48:50,584
to this question was

2850
01:48:50,584 --> 01:48:53,584
specifically about the one to

2851
01:48:54,522 --> 01:48:55,189
one ratio on to want that.

2852
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:55,890
>> large it's a big secret,

2853
01:48:55,890 --> 01:48:59,760
I'm not not favor of this at

2854
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:00,494
all palms are. Not trees and

2855
01:49:00,494 --> 01:49:02,894
especially we're talking about

2856
01:49:06,834 --> 01:49:08,702
canopy canopy goes over.

2857
01:49:08,702 --> 01:49:09,370
>> whereas palms really don't

2858
01:49:09,370 --> 01:49:10,710
provide that these are all

2859
01:49:10,710 --> 01:49:13,710
palms, you have here planted

2860
01:49:15,810 --> 01:49:18,579
at cocoa and also at culver's

2861
01:49:18,579 --> 01:49:19,980
and people talk all the time

2862
01:49:19,980 --> 01:49:20,647
about a sea of asphalt those

2863
01:49:20,647 --> 01:49:23,470
parking lots because palms

2864
01:49:25,285 --> 01:49:26,320
were used as opposed to. To

2865
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:27,210
actual trees, there's a reason

2866
01:49:27,210 --> 01:49:28,422
again for canopy trees, it's

2867
01:49:28,422 --> 01:49:30,491
to it's to provide.

2868
01:49:30,491 --> 01:49:32,491
>> cooling shade.

2869
01:49:33,828 --> 01:49:35,963
>> and not going to get the

2870
01:49:35,963 --> 01:49:38,766
same type of cooling effects

2871
01:49:38,766 --> 01:49:41,869
that you do with trains. So

2872
01:49:41,869 --> 01:49:45,469
when you have the water that

2873
01:49:46,573 --> 01:49:47,208
comes up out through so they

2874
01:49:47,208 --> 01:49:50,677
the trunk and out to the

2875
01:49:50,677 --> 01:49:51,879
leaves up to 15%. You can have

2876
01:49:51,879 --> 01:49:52,512
your temperature reduce under

2877
01:49:52,512 --> 01:49:54,912
trees that doesn't happen

2878
01:49:57,184 --> 01:49:57,884
under pump. And things street

2879
01:49:57,884 --> 01:50:00,540
trees. Palms are not going to

2880
01:50:00,540 --> 01:50:01,755
give you that kind of shame

2881
01:50:01,755 --> 01:50:03,623
and we're talking about

2882
01:50:03,623 --> 01:50:06,623
providing shade for not just

2883
01:50:06,626 --> 01:50:08,662
the roadway, but typically

2884
01:50:08,662 --> 01:50:11,662
talking about sidewalks and as

2885
01:50:12,432 --> 01:50:14,832
as the commissioner emerich

2886
01:50:14,935 --> 01:50:15,636
said there are ways to

2887
01:50:15,636 --> 01:50:16,270
accommodate the religious and

2888
01:50:16,270 --> 01:50:18,500
that really is not as an

2889
01:50:18,500 --> 01:50:20,405
exception when you're talking

2890
01:50:22,142 --> 01:50:23,977
about problems with sidewalks

2891
01:50:23,977 --> 01:50:24,978
because I've been up to all

2892
01:50:24,978 --> 01:50:25,712
the developments up and

2893
01:50:25,712 --> 01:50:26,313
sarasota it's city of sarasota

2894
01:50:26,313 --> 01:50:29,313
and with the county and

2895
01:50:29,850 --> 01:50:33,450
honore. And even when they did

2896
01:50:34,287 --> 01:50:34,988
have some have some lifting it

2897
01:50:34,988 --> 01:50:35,623
placed sidewalk and that's it

2898
01:50:35,623 --> 01:50:38,623
they kept the trees they

2899
01:50:38,725 --> 01:50:39,427
didn't take the trees out

2900
01:50:39,427 --> 01:50:41,628
because that's the reason why

2901
01:50:41,628 --> 01:50:44,280
you're walking sidewalks and

2902
01:50:44,712 --> 01:50:44,815
biking on the sidewalks is

2903
01:50:44,815 --> 01:50:46,734
because shaded you're not

2904
01:50:46,734 --> 01:50:47,401
going to get that was was a so

2905
01:50:47,401 --> 01:50:51,100
I'm not going to get chance

2906
01:50:55,410 --> 01:50:55,375
for me for this what we want

2907
01:50:55,375 --> 01:50:56,430
to do.

2908
01:50:56,430 --> 01:50:57,311
>> commissioner mcdowell I

2909
01:50:57,311 --> 01:50:58,445
only spoke to number consensus

2910
01:50:58,445 --> 01:50:59,146
because I thought we were just

2911
01:50:59,146 --> 01:51:01,114
taking them one at a time but

2912
01:51:01,114 --> 01:51:02,716
since they're being lumped

2913
01:51:02,716 --> 01:51:05,716
together this is precisely why

2914
01:51:07,288 --> 01:51:07,988
I the street trees. The palm

2915
01:51:07,988 --> 01:51:10,988
trees for street trees, they

2916
01:51:12,359 --> 01:51:14,359
don't offer sheet.

2917
01:51:14,361 --> 01:51:15,610
>> they're just there for

2918
01:51:15,610 --> 01:51:15,663
pretty nurse to commissioner

2919
01:51:15,663 --> 01:51:16,296
and richest point I was

2920
01:51:16,296 --> 01:51:18,696
concerned also about the

2921
01:51:18,933 --> 01:51:19,600
maintenance of them.

2922
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,000
>> yeah the property owner

2923
01:51:22,569 --> 01:51:25,569
supposed to maintain but. We

2924
01:51:28,408 --> 01:51:29,777
know how that works

2925
01:51:29,777 --> 01:51:32,777
>> I am amenable to and

2926
01:51:33,247 --> 01:51:33,547
requested that they be removed

2927
01:51:33,547 --> 01:51:34,181
for.

2928
01:51:34,181 --> 01:51:36,581
>> palm trees being shade

2929
01:51:36,951 --> 01:51:37,651
trees and street chains. This

2930
01:51:37,651 --> 01:51:41,851
is why it is up for consensus

2931
01:51:45,458 --> 01:51:46,160
request.

2932
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:47,261
>> so there's no other well I

2933
01:51:47,261 --> 01:51:50,330
think mayor is I you know.

2934
01:51:50,330 --> 01:51:53,930
>> the only concern I well I

2935
01:51:54,301 --> 01:51:55,200
see the points.

2936
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:55,702
>> commissioner, I'm rich and

2937
01:51:55,702 --> 01:51:59,302
mcdowell it and they are way

2938
01:52:00,674 --> 01:52:01,408
to it. Regarding.

2939
01:52:01,408 --> 01:52:03,808
>> shane issues cooling issues

2940
01:52:03,843 --> 01:52:05,843
all the rest.

2941
01:52:07,470 --> 01:52:10,470
>> we went through a hurricane

2942
01:52:11,652 --> 01:52:12,520
and the majority of trees that

2943
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:12,719
came down.

2944
01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:15,719
>> what black wall of trees

2945
01:52:15,756 --> 01:52:16,490
oak trees trees that have

2946
01:52:16,490 --> 01:52:18,726
lousy routes because basically

2947
01:52:18,726 --> 01:52:19,626
they just topple over

2948
01:52:19,626 --> 01:52:20,294
especially when they're

2949
01:52:20,294 --> 01:52:22,596
incorrectly water which is

2950
01:52:22,596 --> 01:52:24,640
what happens throughout the

2951
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:24,698
city. So the more they get

2952
01:52:24,698 --> 01:52:27,980
water even though they're

2953
01:52:27,935 --> 01:52:30,935
supposed only in their first

2954
01:52:31,380 --> 01:52:33,400
year. When you trees, those

2955
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:33,974
routes stay hall, look at what

2956
01:52:33,974 --> 01:52:35,943
we saw over the city trees

2957
01:52:35,943 --> 01:52:38,943
down and they were trees.

2958
01:52:39,179 --> 01:52:41,579
>> they were oaks and

2959
01:52:44,251 --> 01:52:44,951
throughout the city, I mean

2960
01:52:44,951 --> 01:52:46,320
everywhere I went people said

2961
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,320
they're not really going to

2962
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:50,290
make we plant trees again are

2963
01:52:50,290 --> 01:52:51,291
they.

2964
01:52:51,291 --> 01:52:52,392
>> so you know I appreciate

2965
01:52:52,392 --> 01:52:54,394
the need for shade and all the

2966
01:52:54,394 --> 01:52:55,280
rest that I just raise it a as

2967
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:58,280
an issue to be discussed

2968
01:52:59,299 --> 01:53:01,768
because. By no means am I an

2969
01:53:01,768 --> 01:53:04,771
expert in this area and. You

2970
01:53:04,771 --> 01:53:05,438
know it's really a question of

2971
01:53:05,438 --> 01:53:09,638
what we wanted to I mean if

2972
01:53:11,178 --> 01:53:11,845
it's. You know, maybe I really

2973
01:53:11,845 --> 01:53:14,845
don't matter to solve this

2974
01:53:15,148 --> 01:53:16,500
problem, but but certainly

2975
01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:18,151
doing the same thing over and

2976
01:53:18,151 --> 01:53:19,719
over again and running the

2977
01:53:19,719 --> 01:53:20,387
risk of these trees going down

2978
01:53:20,387 --> 01:53:21,121
every time there's a major

2979
01:53:21,121 --> 01:53:23,257
storm which is what's going to

2980
01:53:23,257 --> 01:53:24,257
happen. You know just doesn't

2981
01:53:24,257 --> 01:53:26,657
seem intelligent to me.

2982
01:53:27,127 --> 01:53:29,127
>> and

2983
01:53:31,731 --> 01:53:32,465
>> I don't know been a real

2984
01:53:32,465 --> 01:53:33,133
suggestion just offering up an

2985
01:53:33,133 --> 01:53:35,133
alternative perspective on

2986
01:53:36,300 --> 01:53:38,300
this.

2987
01:53:38,339 --> 01:53:41,909
>> okay and I I am respond to

2988
01:53:41,909 --> 01:53:45,509
some of good because you know

2989
01:53:46,646 --> 01:53:47,381
hoping I would something but

2990
01:53:47,381 --> 01:53:48,815
yes, acadiana at a 150 mile an

2991
01:53:48,815 --> 01:53:52,415
hour winds. We did have trees

2992
01:53:52,785 --> 01:53:54,521
that went down. They the oak

2993
01:53:54,521 --> 01:53:57,521
trees on sumpter had very

2994
01:53:58,358 --> 01:54:01,228
canopies they offered a lot of

2995
01:54:01,228 --> 01:54:02,960
resistance and eventually they

2996
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:02,830
succumbed that is is nature it

2997
01:54:02,830 --> 01:54:05,320
doesn't mean that you're going

2998
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:06,366
throw the baby out with the

2999
01:54:06,366 --> 01:54:08,802
bathwater there's a lot of

3000
01:54:08,802 --> 01:54:09,469
people including myself i

3001
01:54:09,469 --> 01:54:10,237
still have all the original

3002
01:54:10,237 --> 01:54:10,937
trees that are left when my

3003
01:54:10,937 --> 01:54:13,907
house was built 30 years ago

3004
01:54:13,907 --> 01:54:14,608
and I know that they say.

3005
01:54:14,608 --> 01:54:18,208
>> my house I didn't have one

3006
01:54:20,747 --> 01:54:23,550
shingle that left my roof and

3007
01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:24,451
again you see tree that fell

3008
01:54:24,451 --> 01:54:25,418
his house, it's very dramatic

3009
01:54:25,418 --> 01:54:26,286
and you're going to see that

3010
01:54:26,286 --> 01:54:26,987
but you're also not saying how

3011
01:54:26,987 --> 01:54:29,889
many houses were safe because

3012
01:54:29,889 --> 01:54:30,557
they did have.

3013
01:54:30,557 --> 01:54:31,224
>> I developed lots next to

3014
01:54:31,224 --> 01:54:34,824
them and they they took the

3015
01:54:35,695 --> 01:54:38,765
brunt of of that so as far if

3016
01:54:38,765 --> 01:54:39,466
they're properly pruned and

3017
01:54:39,466 --> 01:54:42,936
send out that the wind could

3018
01:54:42,936 --> 01:54:43,570
pass through a little better.

3019
01:54:43,570 --> 01:54:44,270
And again as commissioner

3020
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:46,640
mcdowell said the whole point

3021
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:47,974
of street trees and had and

3022
01:54:47,974 --> 01:54:49,743
putting trees and development

3023
01:54:49,743 --> 01:54:50,544
projects is for shade is to

3024
01:54:50,544 --> 01:54:51,178
have places for people to

3025
01:54:51,178 --> 01:54:54,778
gather and to to get some

3026
01:54:55,481 --> 01:54:56,182
relief from the sun. And I'm

3027
01:54:56,182 --> 01:55:00,382
no black alex that I that is

3028
01:55:02,322 --> 01:55:03,289
not a common trait that's part

3029
01:55:03,289 --> 01:55:04,624
tree. That's a well in part

3030
01:55:04,624 --> 01:55:07,327
because the black all also

3031
01:55:07,327 --> 01:55:08,161
called something there's a

3032
01:55:08,161 --> 01:55:09,996
difference is a different

3033
01:55:09,996 --> 01:55:10,731
species that says shady lady

3034
01:55:10,731 --> 01:55:11,398
is not a black olive and shady

3035
01:55:11,398 --> 01:55:14,367
ladies are not native, but

3036
01:55:14,367 --> 01:55:15,101
they are florida friendly. And

3037
01:55:15,101 --> 01:55:17,737
they are plant they plant them

3038
01:55:17,737 --> 01:55:21,337
a lot as as street race.

3039
01:55:23,143 --> 01:55:25,543
Around we used interchange

3040
01:55:27,847 --> 01:55:28,548
they were all right so.

3041
01:55:28,548 --> 01:55:31,548
Looking for for a consensus,

3042
01:55:31,918 --> 01:55:34,918
yeah. I'll start with number 2

3043
01:55:36,990 --> 01:55:41,190
because it seems to I will ask

3044
01:55:41,761 --> 01:55:43,696
for consensus that palm trees.

3045
01:55:43,696 --> 01:55:45,332
>> specifically the mural the

3046
01:55:45,332 --> 01:55:46,660
royal on cuba, the royal palm

3047
01:55:46,660 --> 01:55:49,536
florida be removed as a street

3048
01:55:49,536 --> 01:55:51,536
tree.

3049
01:55:58,879 --> 01:55:59,279
>> sure and rich. Agree with

3050
01:55:59,279 --> 01:56:00,130
vice mayor.

3051
01:56:00,130 --> 01:56:00,714
>> yeah, I'm going to go along

3052
01:56:00,714 --> 01:56:04,314
with your son should go more

3053
01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:09,686
than yes. I mean, yes. Have

3054
01:56:10,423 --> 01:56:13,627
>> and I'm a yes. That removed

3055
01:56:13,627 --> 01:56:17,227
it. This next one we might

3056
01:56:18,432 --> 01:56:19,166
have a little bit conversation

3057
01:56:19,166 --> 01:56:22,766
additional I don't know but to

3058
01:56:23,937 --> 01:56:25,939
substitute up on the trees.

3059
01:56:25,939 --> 01:56:29,409
>> to be 3 to one for the

3060
01:56:29,409 --> 01:56:31,411
royal florida to be 3 to one

3061
01:56:31,411 --> 01:56:35,611
as opposed to what it's on as

3062
01:56:37,984 --> 01:56:39,752
want one. Is that only for

3063
01:56:39,752 --> 01:56:41,621
those particular those are the

3064
01:56:41,621 --> 01:56:43,690
only only ones that are and

3065
01:56:43,690 --> 01:56:44,457
then but bismarck palms are

3066
01:56:44,457 --> 01:56:45,158
huge so I left that they're

3067
01:56:45,158 --> 01:56:46,626
huge and they're and they're

3068
01:56:46,626 --> 01:56:50,226
again they're not even need a

3069
01:56:50,597 --> 01:56:51,798
one of the cabbage palms are

3070
01:56:51,798 --> 01:56:54,100
they. They are now owners are

3071
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:55,350
already 3 to one okay, so it's

3072
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:55,735
just these particular these 2

3073
01:56:55,735 --> 01:56:59,306
are what ice I stuck with but

3074
01:56:59,306 --> 01:57:00,707
if you want to add. It's mark

3075
01:57:00,707 --> 01:57:01,374
palm. I thought they gave a

3076
01:57:01,374 --> 01:57:03,760
little bit more she didn't

3077
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,445
have a little bit more

3078
01:57:05,445 --> 01:57:07,845
distinction. Then the florida.

3079
01:57:09,816 --> 01:57:11,985
And cuba, royal palms. Those

3080
01:57:11,985 --> 01:57:13,530
are the only ones that are one

3081
01:57:13,530 --> 01:57:14,988
to one o k and just to clarify

3082
01:57:14,988 --> 01:57:16,857
canopy trees this would apply

3083
01:57:16,857 --> 01:57:17,557
to development sites. We know

3084
01:57:17,557 --> 01:57:20,557
doesn't know missus palms in

3085
01:57:23,463 --> 01:57:26,463
this section table called the

3086
01:57:27,700 --> 01:57:30,637
majority them are 3 to want to

3087
01:57:30,637 --> 01:57:32,605
that I requested the consensus

3088
01:57:32,605 --> 01:57:34,574
on are listed as one to want

3089
01:57:34,574 --> 01:57:36,509
so I'm requesting a consensus

3090
01:57:36,509 --> 01:57:37,777
change guess my question is

3091
01:57:37,777 --> 01:57:39,512
what when where this be years

3092
01:57:39,512 --> 01:57:43,112
we're talking about a 3 to one

3093
01:57:43,783 --> 01:57:44,183
that would be used in terms

3094
01:57:44,183 --> 01:57:44,885
south all.

3095
01:57:44,885 --> 01:57:48,485
>> all over the city we have

3096
01:57:48,588 --> 01:57:50,988
canopy tree requirements. For

3097
01:57:52,825 --> 01:57:53,526
a couple of the larger palms,

3098
01:57:53,526 --> 01:57:54,160
would allow them to be a one

3099
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:57,160
to one substitution for a

3100
01:57:57,664 --> 01:57:58,664
canopy tree, however, a code

3101
01:57:58,664 --> 01:58:01,664
specifies that you cannot have

3102
01:58:02,468 --> 01:58:04,104
more than 50% of your trees

3103
01:58:04,104 --> 01:58:05,404
substituted was pumps with

3104
01:58:05,404 --> 01:58:06,606
pops so you would still get

3105
01:58:06,606 --> 01:58:07,540
your canopy trees this would

3106
01:58:07,540 --> 01:58:09,750
just be an alternative for

3107
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:09,743
some of them can count towards

3108
01:58:09,743 --> 01:58:12,743
canopy trees as opposed to

3109
01:58:12,745 --> 01:58:14,745
understory trees.

3110
01:58:16,716 --> 01:58:20,316
>> so that so asking is that

3111
01:58:22,989 --> 01:58:23,690
that without it.

3112
01:58:23,690 --> 01:58:26,690
>> so we have multiple lists

3113
01:58:28,661 --> 01:58:29,362
on the list. One list is

3114
01:58:29,362 --> 01:58:31,798
canopy trees these poems are

3115
01:58:31,798 --> 01:58:34,340
not listed as candy treats and

3116
01:58:34,340 --> 01:58:34,867
there's another list of

3117
01:58:34,867 --> 01:58:37,267
understory trees. Ponds are

3118
01:58:39,380 --> 01:58:40,473
not listed understory trees,

3119
01:58:40,473 --> 01:58:41,140
there's a 3rd list that's

3120
01:58:41,140 --> 01:58:44,140
called palms there in this

3121
01:58:44,477 --> 01:58:45,244
list for pumps. And then the

3122
01:58:45,244 --> 01:58:47,790
next list which we've already

3123
01:58:47,790 --> 01:58:50,790
talked about is street treats.

3124
01:58:51,351 --> 01:58:53,786
I am requesting to have the

3125
01:58:53,786 --> 01:58:54,421
ratio from one to one 3 to

3126
01:58:54,421 --> 01:58:57,421
one. For these royal palm

3127
01:58:59,426 --> 01:59:00,593
trees. I'm so not clear

3128
01:59:00,593 --> 01:59:03,563
because you said it would as

3129
01:59:03,563 --> 01:59:05,563
it can be.

3130
01:59:06,566 --> 01:59:08,968
>> yet so there are 3 palm

3131
01:59:08,968 --> 01:59:10,737
trees that 2 types of royal

3132
01:59:10,737 --> 01:59:14,337
palms and the bismarck I'm ce

3133
01:59:14,340 --> 01:59:17,477
that instead of doing a 3 to

3134
01:59:17,477 --> 01:59:20,477
one ratio. As a replacement

3135
01:59:20,913 --> 01:59:21,614
for a canopy a tree. We

3136
01:59:21,614 --> 01:59:24,350
allowed to want a lot because

3137
01:59:24,350 --> 01:59:25,180
they're particularly large on

3138
01:59:25,180 --> 01:59:28,618
trees. So our palms, I know

3139
01:59:33,860 --> 01:59:35,280
that they're not sure so.

3140
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,428
Commissioners request was to

3141
01:59:38,864 --> 01:59:39,598
for the 2 royal palms to

3142
01:59:39,598 --> 01:59:41,998
change that substitution ratio

3143
01:59:43,569 --> 01:59:44,170
from one to to 3 to one.

3144
01:59:44,170 --> 01:59:46,570
That's that's what this

3145
01:59:48,641 --> 01:59:50,543
consensus item us.

3146
01:59:50,543 --> 01:59:51,211
>> okay in order to qualify as

3147
01:59:51,211 --> 01:59:54,211
a candidate it's still more

3148
01:59:56,816 --> 01:59:57,517
than 50% can be correct. I

3149
01:59:57,517 --> 01:59:58,951
commissioner is that that one

3150
01:59:58,951 --> 02:00:01,951
to 3 what you're asking for

3151
02:00:03,456 --> 02:00:07,560
rita want. Yes. So your yes.

3152
02:00:17,803 --> 02:00:19,500
I'll be yes with that.

3153
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:19,739
>> this is where I'm a little

3154
02:00:19,739 --> 02:00:21,841
stop because I I don't think

3155
02:00:21,841 --> 02:00:23,876
that they're going to be a

3156
02:00:23,876 --> 02:00:24,544
pleasing at 3 to one the size

3157
02:00:24,544 --> 02:00:25,478
that they're at and I don't

3158
02:00:25,478 --> 02:00:28,314
want to replace canopy trees.

3159
02:00:28,314 --> 02:00:31,914
At all either. I would just

3160
02:00:32,385 --> 02:00:35,385
assume make these. You know

3161
02:00:37,223 --> 02:00:37,890
like extras if.

3162
02:00:37,890 --> 02:00:39,893
>> you know if they wanted

3163
02:00:39,893 --> 02:00:40,593
this in their yard doesn't

3164
02:00:40,593 --> 02:00:41,928
count what we're asking them

3165
02:00:41,928 --> 02:00:46,128
to do, but it could be an

3166
02:00:46,799 --> 02:00:48,701
accessory try tree. I mean

3167
02:00:48,701 --> 02:00:49,769
I'll be a yes to go along with

3168
02:00:49,769 --> 02:00:51,360
the board but I'm really not

3169
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:53,436
in favor of putting 3

3170
02:00:57,242 --> 02:00:57,877
>> on a property.

3171
02:00:57,877 --> 02:00:58,611
>> and I get what you're

3172
02:00:58,611 --> 02:01:00,813
saying but I but when you're

3173
02:01:00,813 --> 02:01:01,447
saying no more than 50% can be

3174
02:01:01,447 --> 02:01:02,147
palms that wouldn't be

3175
02:01:02,147 --> 02:01:02,682
physically possible to have 3

3176
02:01:02,682 --> 02:01:04,682
bismarck psi would.

3177
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:08,487
>> I think.

3178
02:01:08,487 --> 02:01:09,122
>> on on a quarter acre lot

3179
02:01:09,122 --> 02:01:12,122
that's just not going to

3180
02:01:16,896 --> 02:01:19,699
happen is they are monster. So

3181
02:01:19,699 --> 02:01:20,366
we have both of those taken

3182
02:01:20,366 --> 02:01:21,800
care of that content right

3183
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:25,400
thank MISS Katie. And what was

3184
02:01:25,738 --> 02:01:27,173
the next one.

3185
02:01:27,173 --> 02:01:27,806
>> all right so the next

3186
02:01:27,806 --> 02:01:30,206
relates to single family

3187
02:01:32,679 --> 02:01:33,346
residential development. Sort

3188
02:01:33,346 --> 02:01:33,979
of in a similar vein should

3189
02:01:33,979 --> 02:01:36,615
there be a minimum entry

3190
02:01:36,615 --> 02:01:37,282
requirement for residential

3191
02:01:37,282 --> 02:01:39,682
development. Right now the

3192
02:01:39,986 --> 02:01:40,653
code only requires shrubs the

3193
02:01:40,653 --> 02:01:43,530
proposed new code requires

3194
02:01:45,525 --> 02:01:46,225
shrubs and trees.

3195
02:01:46,225 --> 02:01:48,625
Commissioners request was to

3196
02:01:49,828 --> 02:01:50,496
not require trees as there's

3197
02:01:50,496 --> 02:01:51,397
been some concern about how

3198
02:01:51,397 --> 02:01:53,797
impact the drain field.

3199
02:01:57,202 --> 02:01:57,904
However. That code does have

3200
02:01:57,904 --> 02:01:58,604
some alternatives for accept

3201
02:01:58,604 --> 02:01:59,838
trees in the front ship shape

3202
02:01:59,838 --> 02:02:03,843
trees in the pack. So and so

3203
02:02:03,843 --> 02:02:06,450
forth so. Are there is some

3204
02:02:06,450 --> 02:02:09,450
flexibility the second one on

3205
02:02:09,810 --> 02:02:10,182
the side is do we want to

3206
02:02:10,182 --> 02:02:10,816
require residential

3207
02:02:10,816 --> 02:02:13,218
development in the r one

3208
02:02:13,218 --> 02:02:16,155
district to have a and do we

3209
02:02:16,155 --> 02:02:19,191
want to size for that so we

3210
02:02:19,191 --> 02:02:21,160
can take those. Together

3211
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:23,560
separately. Those are the 2

3212
02:02:28,334 --> 02:02:29,101
for the side.

3213
02:02:29,101 --> 02:02:29,835
>> okay so number three's

3214
02:02:29,835 --> 02:02:30,502
about minimum tree requirement

3215
02:02:30,502 --> 02:02:31,637
you're saying right now we

3216
02:02:31,637 --> 02:02:33,637
don't have that.

3217
02:02:35,908 --> 02:02:36,575
>> right now we only require

3218
02:02:36,575 --> 02:02:37,143
shrubs and we don't have a

3219
02:02:37,143 --> 02:02:39,143
tree requirement for

3220
02:02:39,211 --> 02:02:39,945
single-family properties.

3221
02:02:39,945 --> 02:02:43,545
Almost looks like it was taken

3222
02:02:46,619 --> 02:02:47,353
out last minute. Most places,

3223
02:02:47,353 --> 02:02:48,870
including cape coral, which is

3224
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:51,870
a very similar communities, is

3225
02:02:52,625 --> 02:02:55,625
MAY. Have a tree requirement

3226
02:02:59,898 --> 02:03:00,632
for single-family properties.

3227
02:03:00,632 --> 02:03:04,832
>> you know how I knew that it

3228
02:03:08,941 --> 02:03:10,676
was 35% the charity. Where's

3229
02:03:10,676 --> 02:03:10,976
I'm sorry words the page where

3230
02:03:10,976 --> 02:03:12,976
it's.

3231
02:03:15,747 --> 02:03:18,484
>> you do have I'm sorry can't

3232
02:03:18,484 --> 02:03:20,484
find it now.

3233
02:03:22,454 --> 02:03:23,189
>> it's section 4 points 3.5.

3234
02:03:23,189 --> 02:03:23,923
I don't know what page it's on

3235
02:03:23,923 --> 02:03:27,159
because I have my notes that I

3236
02:03:27,159 --> 02:03:28,227
submitted.

3237
02:03:28,227 --> 02:03:31,827
>> this you know where that is

3238
02:03:32,865 --> 02:03:33,765
about that trees.

3239
02:03:33,765 --> 02:03:35,401
>> landscaping for single into

3240
02:03:35,401 --> 02:03:38,401
family dwellings is on page 18

3241
02:03:40,105 --> 02:03:40,773
okay up the draft code that I

3242
02:03:40,773 --> 02:03:41,473
have it up on the screen. A

3243
02:03:41,473 --> 02:03:44,473
case that's where saying that

3244
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:46,179
you had to have. To cap trees

3245
02:03:46,179 --> 02:03:48,579
for every 7500 square feet

3246
02:03:51,116 --> 02:03:51,850
correct. So a 10,000

3247
02:03:51,850 --> 02:03:54,152
square-foot lot would be about

3248
02:03:54,152 --> 02:03:57,152
3 trees that doesn't quite if

3249
02:03:59,691 --> 02:04:00,993
there. My yes. Okay so that's

3250
02:04:00,993 --> 02:04:03,393
what you're proposing. Correct

3251
02:04:12,605 --> 02:04:14,605
okay.

3252
02:04:16,542 --> 02:04:17,843
>> to my request yes for surf

3253
02:04:17,843 --> 02:04:21,443
a better that ability is not

3254
02:04:21,747 --> 02:04:22,181
in our drive to did that added

3255
02:04:22,181 --> 02:04:22,814
after draft.

3256
02:04:22,814 --> 02:04:24,814
>> likability section was

3257
02:04:25,584 --> 02:04:29,454
added based off of my notes to

3258
02:04:29,454 --> 02:04:31,557
your chapter for comments. To

3259
02:04:31,557 --> 02:04:32,524
clarify which properties

3260
02:04:32,524 --> 02:04:36,124
apply. So this is my working

3261
02:04:37,863 --> 02:04:40,999
draft. So what it is not. 100%

3262
02:04:40,999 --> 02:04:42,100
the same as the one that

3263
02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:44,401
submitted and since you

3264
02:04:45,804 --> 02:04:46,805
brought up my notes for for

3265
02:04:46,805 --> 02:04:49,805
when I submitted my questions

3266
02:04:50,476 --> 02:04:53,476
comments thing last week. The

3267
02:04:54,313 --> 02:04:54,980
thing that I received back

3268
02:04:54,980 --> 02:04:55,714
didn't have any comments or

3269
02:04:55,714 --> 02:04:59,314
answers to my questions it was

3270
02:04:59,785 --> 02:05:00,485
blank.

3271
02:05:00,485 --> 02:05:03,989
>> did they fall off some how

3272
02:05:03,989 --> 02:05:04,556
did I get the wrong document.

3273
02:05:04,556 --> 02:05:07,556
>> I'm not sure we we

3274
02:05:08,894 --> 02:05:09,194
definitely created comments

3275
02:05:09,194 --> 02:05:10,950
back.

3276
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:11,960
>> I see the man we'll make

3277
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:12,631
sure that you get I would

3278
02:05:12,631 --> 02:05:14,966
appreciate it because I didn't

3279
02:05:14,966 --> 02:05:16,902
I just received exactly what I

3280
02:05:16,902 --> 02:05:17,669
submitted to you maybe it was

3281
02:05:17,669 --> 02:05:19,204
sent to my fellow

3282
02:05:19,204 --> 02:05:19,871
commissioners for today's

3283
02:05:19,871 --> 02:05:20,572
discussion but usually the

3284
02:05:20,572 --> 02:05:23,241
comments are also included I

3285
02:05:23,241 --> 02:05:26,241
didn't receive anyhow so the

3286
02:05:27,546 --> 02:05:28,514
reason why I had requested

3287
02:05:28,514 --> 02:05:29,748
that we have this discussion

3288
02:05:29,748 --> 02:05:32,748
is because when we approved

3289
02:05:35,621 --> 02:05:36,688
the tree. Code we allowed the

3290
02:05:36,688 --> 02:05:37,756
property owner for single

3291
02:05:37,756 --> 02:05:39,591
family residential to

3292
02:05:39,591 --> 02:05:40,292
determine if they wanted to

3293
02:05:40,292 --> 02:05:43,292
have trees on their property

3294
02:05:44,897 --> 02:05:46,164
or not the.

3295
02:05:46,164 --> 02:05:46,898
>> overwhelming majority was

3296
02:05:46,898 --> 02:05:49,298
it's single family residential

3297
02:05:51,670 --> 02:05:53,839
there 80 by one 20 lot. This

3298
02:05:53,839 --> 02:05:57,439
will require I have 80 by one

3299
02:05:57,710 --> 02:05:58,243
20 lot. It's approximately

3300
02:05:58,243 --> 02:05:59,111
10,025 square feet.

3301
02:05:59,111 --> 02:06:01,680
>> and I would be required to

3302
02:06:01,680 --> 02:06:04,800
have canopy trees and

3303
02:06:08,153 --> 02:06:10,553
understory trees. Because it's

3304
02:06:11,900 --> 02:06:13,490
more than 7500 square feet.

3305
02:06:16,695 --> 02:06:17,962
>> so

3306
02:06:17,962 --> 02:06:18,897
>> I took my situation and

3307
02:06:18,897 --> 02:06:20,320
applied it to the pre platted

3308
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:23,320
lots because the majority of

3309
02:06:23,869 --> 02:06:24,670
pre platted lots are more than

3310
02:06:24,670 --> 02:06:27,670
7500 square feet so that would

3311
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:31,710
have to double this and a lot

3312
02:06:31,710 --> 02:06:33,144
of people especially after

3313
02:06:33,144 --> 02:06:33,979
hurricane ian don't want any

3314
02:06:33,979 --> 02:06:36,810
trees on their property

3315
02:06:36,810 --> 02:06:38,217
because of the damage to their

3316
02:06:38,217 --> 02:06:38,917
pool cages and their only

3317
02:06:38,917 --> 02:06:39,551
knows what else and the cost

3318
02:06:39,551 --> 02:06:42,551
to remove them after the

3319
02:06:43,788 --> 02:06:47,393
hurricane. So is why I put it

3320
02:06:47,393 --> 02:06:48,930
on there that we need to have

3321
02:06:48,930 --> 02:06:51,930
this discussion. I can still

3322
02:06:52,564 --> 02:06:53,865
plant a tree if I but this is

3323
02:06:53,865 --> 02:06:54,733
mandating that I have a

3324
02:06:54,733 --> 02:06:56,968
minimum of 4 canopy trees or

3325
02:06:56,968 --> 02:06:59,368
its equivalent. On my

3326
02:07:00,739 --> 02:07:02,707
property. What they found

3327
02:07:02,707 --> 02:07:05,707
developing a new home. You

3328
02:07:07,613 --> 02:07:09,280
can't make not. So I just

3329
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:09,982
wanted to have conversation

3330
02:07:09,982 --> 02:07:12,830
with you guys because we took

3331
02:07:12,830 --> 02:07:15,683
it out of the cold. Requiring

3332
02:07:17,722 --> 02:07:21,322
trees. If they want to have

3333
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:25,600
trees they get credits. And

3334
02:07:25,263 --> 02:07:25,931
that was it was their choice

3335
02:07:25,931 --> 02:07:29,167
but this is now putting it

3336
02:07:29,167 --> 02:07:29,868
back in that they must have.

3337
02:07:29,868 --> 02:07:30,501
So I really hope that we can

3338
02:07:30,501 --> 02:07:32,901
have a conversation about

3339
02:07:38,910 --> 02:07:39,510
this.

3340
02:07:39,510 --> 02:07:40,912
>> and this is that the

3341
02:07:40,912 --> 02:07:42,912
development stage correct.

3342
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:48,887
Yeah correct understand okay.

3343
02:07:48,887 --> 02:07:49,621
2 things.

3344
02:07:49,621 --> 02:07:53,558
>> one the I was out last week

3345
02:07:53,558 --> 02:07:54,392
so emails until morning. But I

3346
02:07:54,392 --> 02:07:56,527
did look at that e-mail this

3347
02:07:56,527 --> 02:07:58,927
morning that was questions

3348
02:07:59,331 --> 02:08:00,199
that you that the commissioner

3349
02:08:00,199 --> 02:08:00,799
had that I would email that

3350
02:08:00,799 --> 02:08:01,499
was sent to all of the

3351
02:08:01,499 --> 02:08:03,101
commissioners and opened that

3352
02:08:03,101 --> 02:08:06,605
document. If you look at that

3353
02:08:06,605 --> 02:08:09,605
document. That cop there are

3354
02:08:10,975 --> 02:08:11,677
small yellow boxes. Embedded

3355
02:08:11,677 --> 02:08:15,277
in that document you have to

3356
02:08:15,614 --> 02:08:16,314
hover over those yellow if you

3357
02:08:16,314 --> 02:08:16,981
just try to print it out it's

3358
02:08:16,981 --> 02:08:17,582
not you're not going to see

3359
02:08:17,582 --> 02:08:20,582
the comments but in the

3360
02:08:21,819 --> 02:08:23,321
digital form. A small yellow

3361
02:08:23,321 --> 02:08:23,989
boxes if you hover over that

3362
02:08:23,989 --> 02:08:26,989
it's going to expand and

3363
02:08:29,930 --> 02:08:30,228
you'll see the response staff.

3364
02:08:30,228 --> 02:08:31,129
Loved it I read all the

3365
02:08:31,129 --> 02:08:31,830
responses this morning they

3366
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:35,430
were in the document that was

3367
02:08:36,535 --> 02:08:36,835
sent off when I went print it

3368
02:08:36,835 --> 02:08:37,535
out.

3369
02:08:37,535 --> 02:08:38,470
>> I direct current all of it

3370
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:39,471
so they didn't show up so

3371
02:08:39,471 --> 02:08:40,739
that's why I'm saying they

3372
02:08:40,739 --> 02:08:42,400
there were no comments the

3373
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:42,740
comments are in the digital

3374
02:08:42,740 --> 02:08:45,643
doc, I so if you if you just

3375
02:08:45,643 --> 02:08:46,100
open the digital document on

3376
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:46,678
your pad.

3377
02:08:46,678 --> 02:08:49,678
>> you'll be able to hover

3378
02:08:49,681 --> 02:08:51,616
over those boxes see those

3379
02:08:51,616 --> 02:08:52,851
comments. But yes, we're

3380
02:08:52,851 --> 02:08:53,551
talking the development status

3381
02:08:53,551 --> 02:08:56,788
would not apply to homes that

3382
02:08:56,788 --> 02:08:58,156
are already existing. If

3383
02:08:58,156 --> 02:09:00,925
you're if you're a lot is

3384
02:09:00,925 --> 02:09:03,325
12,000 square feet. Then you

3385
02:09:05,463 --> 02:09:06,798
have. 2 canopy trees required.

3386
02:09:06,798 --> 02:09:10,398
It doesn't round up to the

3387
02:09:14,273 --> 02:09:14,940
next. Number you don't another

3388
02:09:14,940 --> 02:09:15,640
tree wouldn't kick in until

3389
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,400
you have another 7500 square

3390
02:09:23,748 --> 02:09:24,449
feet. Okay and it's very calm

3391
02:09:24,449 --> 02:09:26,718
and I mean almost unheard of

3392
02:09:26,718 --> 02:09:29,787
for a city not to have a tree

3393
02:09:29,787 --> 02:09:31,789
with choir meant on

3394
02:09:31,789 --> 02:09:32,790
single-family even with well

3395
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:36,390
and septic it's very easy to

3396
02:09:38,197 --> 02:09:40,597
accommodate. Canopy trees and

3397
02:09:41,232 --> 02:09:41,966
I do recall some of the

3398
02:09:41,966 --> 02:09:42,634
discussions when that

3399
02:09:42,634 --> 02:09:45,634
requirement was taken out I

3400
02:09:45,971 --> 02:09:47,105
when I first started with the

3401
02:09:47,105 --> 02:09:49,240
city and my recollection was a

3402
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:50,142
lot of the reason for it being

3403
02:09:50,142 --> 02:09:50,876
taken out was because of

3404
02:09:50,876 --> 02:09:53,276
problems with enforcement that

3405
02:09:54,312 --> 02:09:55,613
had happened in the past and

3406
02:09:55,613 --> 02:09:56,348
trying to ensure that those

3407
02:09:56,348 --> 02:09:58,449
trees remain I can tell you in

3408
02:09:58,449 --> 02:09:59,651
every jurisdiction, I've

3409
02:09:59,651 --> 02:10:01,180
worked in. We have not had

3410
02:10:01,180 --> 02:10:01,653
that issue because we we do

3411
02:10:01,653 --> 02:10:04,530
enforce there methods for

3412
02:10:07,626 --> 02:10:10,626
enforcement of that of and

3413
02:10:11,162 --> 02:10:12,764
ongoing enforcement of so I'm

3414
02:10:12,764 --> 02:10:13,465
confident we can enforce

3415
02:10:13,465 --> 02:10:16,465
without any any problems that

3416
02:10:18,769 --> 02:10:19,738
I don't. Quite understand all

3417
02:10:19,738 --> 02:10:20,371
of forsman issues that

3418
02:10:20,371 --> 02:10:21,380
happened in the past and

3419
02:10:21,380 --> 02:10:23,438
issues with builders taking

3420
02:10:24,642 --> 02:10:25,844
the trees out and moving them

3421
02:10:25,844 --> 02:10:26,945
around but. Every jurisdiction

3422
02:10:26,945 --> 02:10:29,681
fort and we've managed not to

3423
02:10:29,681 --> 02:10:33,281
have that. Problem and so I

3424
02:10:33,918 --> 02:10:34,986
think we can circumvent that.

3425
02:10:34,986 --> 02:10:36,288
Respond.

3426
02:10:36,288 --> 02:10:39,888
>> I got to floor right I'm

3427
02:10:41,626 --> 02:10:42,360
middle of my question yeah. Do

3428
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:45,360
trees. Some certain free trees

3429
02:10:45,896 --> 02:10:47,310
with they qualify as.

3430
02:10:47,310 --> 02:10:48,165
>> they would have for the for

3431
02:10:48,165 --> 02:10:51,165
the required trees they would

3432
02:10:51,803 --> 02:10:53,338
have to be on our route tree

3433
02:10:53,338 --> 02:10:54,605
list do you have an interest

3434
02:10:54,605 --> 02:10:55,273
trees like orange are great

3435
02:10:55,273 --> 02:10:58,273
fried or anything like that

3436
02:10:58,743 --> 02:10:59,443
that grow fairly large.

3437
02:10:59,443 --> 02:11:02,443
>> that could be sub staying

3438
02:11:05,984 --> 02:11:08,152
by the people as well.

3439
02:11:08,152 --> 02:11:09,220
>> there are there's does

3440
02:11:09,220 --> 02:11:09,921
there's a citrus trees are

3441
02:11:09,921 --> 02:11:12,921
understory tree right, I know

3442
02:11:16,627 --> 02:11:17,329
that. Average high of. Average

3443
02:11:17,329 --> 02:11:18,796
orange trees like 15 feet or

3444
02:11:18,796 --> 02:11:22,734
is like the average high of a

3445
02:11:22,734 --> 02:11:24,202
mango tree is like 30 feet. So

3446
02:11:24,202 --> 02:11:24,936
it is something that we could

3447
02:11:24,936 --> 02:11:26,271
look into where perhaps we can

3448
02:11:26,271 --> 02:11:29,871
add it if they're not there

3449
02:11:30,708 --> 02:11:31,409
already, some fruit trees like

3450
02:11:31,409 --> 02:11:32,770
or avocado trees which are a

3451
02:11:32,770 --> 02:11:35,770
little bit larger than your

3452
02:11:37,140 --> 02:11:39,140
average citrus tree.

3453
02:11:39,950 --> 02:11:41,920
>> as an it would give them

3454
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:44,550
options and it would benefit

3455
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:45,890
both you're getting a tree and

3456
02:11:45,890 --> 02:11:47,250
b they're getting a product

3457
02:11:47,250 --> 02:11:47,725
off of their tree they can

3458
02:11:47,725 --> 02:11:48,326
boost to the neighbors say I

3459
02:11:48,326 --> 02:11:50,261
got the most avocados a

3460
02:11:50,261 --> 02:11:50,929
seasoned here take some. I

3461
02:11:50,929 --> 02:11:53,929
mean it's just something to

3462
02:11:55,667 --> 02:11:56,601
work with. I have no issues

3463
02:11:56,601 --> 02:12:00,201
with having a couple on the

3464
02:12:00,404 --> 02:12:02,404
developed properties, it.

3465
02:12:05,443 --> 02:12:07,745
Okay. Vice mayor. I correct

3466
02:12:07,745 --> 02:12:09,745
plant development communities,

3467
02:12:11,917 --> 02:12:12,617
whether it be well up toledo

3468
02:12:12,617 --> 02:12:13,217
village that's coming up any

3469
02:12:13,217 --> 02:12:13,651
of others they all act

3470
02:12:13,651 --> 02:12:15,651
requirements.

3471
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:20,691
>> case. They have both

3472
02:12:20,691 --> 02:12:21,392
requirements for the

3473
02:12:21,392 --> 02:12:23,392
subdivision and requirements

3474
02:12:23,728 --> 02:12:25,496
for the end of lot and so I no

3475
02:12:25,496 --> 02:12:26,164
reason why single family

3476
02:12:26,164 --> 02:12:27,865
residential property should

3477
02:12:27,865 --> 02:12:30,265
those same requirements just

3478
02:12:32,737 --> 02:12:35,737
seems consistent to me. I.

3479
02:12:38,776 --> 02:12:39,344
>> I just wanted to.

3480
02:12:39,344 --> 02:12:40,578
>> thank you for the

3481
02:12:40,578 --> 02:12:41,679
clarification about and that

3482
02:12:41,679 --> 02:12:42,614
the math here so 10,000 square

3483
02:12:42,614 --> 02:12:43,281
feet which is typically a

3484
02:12:43,281 --> 02:12:44,582
quarter acre lot would just

3485
02:12:44,582 --> 02:12:45,683
require 2 trees. And one has

3486
02:12:45,683 --> 02:12:49,487
to be in the front is that

3487
02:12:49,487 --> 02:12:50,788
what this is saying.

3488
02:12:50,788 --> 02:12:51,623
>> it says at least one canopy

3489
02:12:51,623 --> 02:12:54,623
tree or the equivalent number

3490
02:12:55,426 --> 02:12:57,294
understory trees, a so this is

3491
02:12:57,294 --> 02:13:00,294
another place for that that

3492
02:13:01,345 --> 02:13:01,523
paul ratio could come into

3493
02:13:01,523 --> 02:13:01,629
play where if they don't have

3494
02:13:01,629 --> 02:13:01,732
enough for him in their front

3495
02:13:01,732 --> 02:13:03,301
yard canopy tree they could do

3496
02:13:03,301 --> 02:13:06,901
one royal palm in the front

3497
02:13:07,338 --> 02:13:08,973
yard has a one to one ratio or

3498
02:13:08,973 --> 02:13:09,607
they can do 3 small palms on a

3499
02:13:09,607 --> 02:13:12,607
3 to one ratio right. So

3500
02:13:12,910 --> 02:13:13,644
that's that works and.

3501
02:13:13,644 --> 02:13:15,113
>> and I just wanted to put it

3502
02:13:15,113 --> 02:13:15,913
out there for the public

3503
02:13:15,913 --> 02:13:16,581
record you can plant as as

3504
02:13:16,581 --> 02:13:19,581
directors that you can have

3505
02:13:19,717 --> 02:13:20,417
trees in the front. I just

3506
02:13:20,417 --> 02:13:23,417
having a drain field doesn't

3507
02:13:24,221 --> 02:13:26,323
mean you can't put anything.

3508
02:13:26,323 --> 02:13:27,240
Their selection and placement

3509
02:13:27,240 --> 02:13:30,240
yes, very important, but you

3510
02:13:31,329 --> 02:13:32,960
can.

3511
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:32,797
>> I know from my own

3512
02:13:32,797 --> 02:13:33,497
experience and you can drive

3513
02:13:33,497 --> 02:13:34,332
around and see people of huge

3514
02:13:34,332 --> 02:13:36,732
oak trees in front.

3515
02:13:39,670 --> 02:13:40,405
>> I doesn't mean just because

3516
02:13:40,405 --> 02:13:44,500
you have septic, you can't you

3517
02:13:45,643 --> 02:13:46,310
can't do that. And just the

3518
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:48,710
fruit avocado mango trees,

3519
02:13:48,979 --> 02:13:49,613
yeah, I like people having

3520
02:13:49,613 --> 02:13:52,613
that option but again if

3521
02:13:54,252 --> 02:13:54,919
you're talking about hurricane

3522
02:13:54,919 --> 02:13:55,586
resistant. They're not all

3523
02:13:55,586 --> 02:13:57,488
right there again, none of

3524
02:13:57,488 --> 02:14:00,488
those are native and they

3525
02:14:02,761 --> 02:14:03,694
failed miserably thailand.

3526
02:14:03,694 --> 02:14:04,395
>> but that's what people want

3527
02:14:04,395 --> 02:14:06,300
they're under story so other

3528
02:14:06,300 --> 02:14:08,430
than the mango avocado.

3529
02:14:10,236 --> 02:14:12,570
>> which are giant trace. Can

3530
02:14:12,570 --> 02:14:13,237
have a problem with that with

3531
02:14:13,237 --> 02:14:16,237
that orange tree falling on

3532
02:14:16,941 --> 02:14:20,541
your house. And I think that's

3533
02:14:24,882 --> 02:14:25,549
I hand. That.

3534
02:14:25,549 --> 02:14:28,549
>> you might you do mention

3535
02:14:30,388 --> 02:14:31,589
understory. Trees but you

3536
02:14:31,589 --> 02:14:32,323
cannot substitute understory

3537
02:14:32,323 --> 02:14:35,323
for all your canopy correct

3538
02:14:44,469 --> 02:14:45,670
right you sort of everything.

3539
02:14:45,670 --> 02:14:46,337
>> good is read anything about

3540
02:14:46,337 --> 02:14:46,971
trees on people are ok what

3541
02:14:46,971 --> 02:14:47,671
where their little option

3542
02:14:47,671 --> 02:14:51,271
added hair okay, but you took

3543
02:14:52,977 --> 02:14:54,946
care of everything.

3544
02:14:54,946 --> 02:14:55,613
>> but I I appreciate that all

3545
02:14:55,613 --> 02:14:57,613
commissioner mcdowell thank

3546
02:14:58,883 --> 02:14:59,550
you for the clarity on that

3547
02:14:59,550 --> 02:15:01,950
7500 square feet because I

3548
02:15:02,860 --> 02:15:04,322
read that multiple times and I

3549
02:15:04,322 --> 02:15:06,924
kept I have seen 7500 okay

3550
02:15:06,924 --> 02:15:07,891
7500 nom on to the next 7500.

3551
02:15:07,891 --> 02:15:12,910
so now I'm going to the fore

3552
02:15:14,980 --> 02:15:14,431
canopy trees.

3553
02:15:14,431 --> 02:15:15,660
>> my.

3554
02:15:15,660 --> 02:15:15,733
>> concern and I know the

3555
02:15:15,733 --> 02:15:18,133
mayor and totally opposite

3556
02:15:19,137 --> 02:15:19,837
pages on one. People are not

3557
02:15:19,837 --> 02:15:20,571
going to plant trees in their

3558
02:15:20,571 --> 02:15:24,771
front yard to say have a drink

3559
02:15:25,209 --> 02:15:26,377
field. If they have a septic

3560
02:15:26,377 --> 02:15:28,513
and that's what the majority

3561
02:15:28,513 --> 02:15:29,380
of our 80 by one 20 lott. R I

3562
02:15:29,380 --> 02:15:32,980
can understand if they don't a

3563
02:15:34,510 --> 02:15:34,719
septic system in their front.

3564
02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:37,719
And there a preplanned the

3565
02:15:39,723 --> 02:15:40,891
community 19 a conversation.

3566
02:15:40,891 --> 02:15:41,592
You're in a pre-planned the

3567
02:15:41,592 --> 02:15:42,259
community you're on tour. So

3568
02:15:42,259 --> 02:15:43,761
you can plant them in your

3569
02:15:43,761 --> 02:15:44,428
front yard but to require it

3570
02:15:44,428 --> 02:15:47,731
for pre pro at community of

3571
02:15:47,731 --> 02:15:49,731
pre platted house.

3572
02:15:49,834 --> 02:15:50,534
>> that that to me is

3573
02:15:50,534 --> 02:15:52,534
unrealistic expectation. Lot

3574
02:15:54,338 --> 02:15:54,772
of builders in.

3575
02:15:54,772 --> 02:15:55,506
>> you know.

3576
02:15:55,506 --> 02:15:56,206
>> how are you going to put it

3577
02:15:56,206 --> 02:15:59,206
in there because the builders

3578
02:15:59,476 --> 02:16:01,440
have always said we have to

3579
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:02,380
bring in so much bill because

3580
02:16:02,380 --> 02:16:03,915
of the septic tank, so how are

3581
02:16:03,915 --> 02:16:04,582
they going to either one

3582
02:16:04,582 --> 02:16:08,182
preserve a tree or plea to

3583
02:16:09,554 --> 02:16:10,687
plant a tree on there with

3584
02:16:10,687 --> 02:16:11,388
joint field, so it in the

3585
02:16:11,388 --> 02:16:12,389
current proposal, it does not

3586
02:16:12,389 --> 02:16:15,989
have to be a canopy tree.

3587
02:16:17,428 --> 02:16:19,430
>> doesn't it says. At least

3588
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:20,231
one canopy tree or the

3589
02:16:20,231 --> 02:16:20,865
equivalent number understory

3590
02:16:20,865 --> 02:16:23,865
trees and palms shall be

3591
02:16:26,770 --> 02:16:27,672
placed in the front yard. I

3592
02:16:27,672 --> 02:16:29,874
don't see anybody putting any

3593
02:16:29,874 --> 02:16:30,574
type of tree understory or

3594
02:16:30,574 --> 02:16:34,174
canopy there is in there from

3595
02:16:36,580 --> 02:16:38,348
there 0 reason absolutely no

3596
02:16:38,348 --> 02:16:39,490
physical reason why an

3597
02:16:39,490 --> 02:16:41,852
understory tree or palm trees

3598
02:16:41,852 --> 02:16:42,552
cannot be placed in the front

3599
02:16:42,552 --> 02:16:46,752
yard. On even on a house that

3600
02:16:46,757 --> 02:16:48,920
has well and septic. The

3601
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:51,692
septic field does not take up

3602
02:16:52,329 --> 02:16:55,929
the entire the front yard area

3603
02:16:56,100 --> 02:16:58,835
on trees require very little

3604
02:16:58,835 --> 02:16:59,536
area for root you put it on

3605
02:16:59,536 --> 02:17:00,238
the periphery of the property

3606
02:17:00,238 --> 02:17:03,838
to other side of the driveway

3607
02:17:05,420 --> 02:17:05,743
put it up close to the house.

3608
02:17:05,743 --> 02:17:06,577
Countries can be planted 2 to

3609
02:17:06,577 --> 02:17:07,244
3 feet from the foundation of

3610
02:17:07,244 --> 02:17:09,847
a home without causing any

3611
02:17:09,847 --> 02:17:12,847
damage at all. So there's

3612
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:14,170
there's no physical reason

3613
02:17:14,170 --> 02:17:17,170
that would interfere with a

3614
02:17:19,757 --> 02:17:20,858
septic system. It is obviously

3615
02:17:20,858 --> 02:17:23,160
a the preference of the

3616
02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:24,228
community but if you allow

3617
02:17:24,228 --> 02:17:27,228
every single planet lot to

3618
02:17:28,650 --> 02:17:29,399
clear their completely and not

3619
02:17:29,399 --> 02:17:33,599
that any trees that it will a

3620
02:17:33,804 --> 02:17:34,905
tree that sir which is why

3621
02:17:34,905 --> 02:17:35,606
most communities require this

3622
02:17:35,606 --> 02:17:38,606
even for properties that are

3623
02:17:44,982 --> 02:17:45,682
on setting. Current. Code for

3624
02:17:45,682 --> 02:17:46,350
tree code it says if you get

3625
02:17:46,350 --> 02:17:47,840
your seo and you keep your

3626
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:49,586
tree for year after year I can

3627
02:17:49,586 --> 02:17:50,287
remove that tree.

3628
02:17:50,287 --> 02:17:53,287
>> that is being proposed to

3629
02:17:56,427 --> 02:17:57,194
change as well.

3630
02:17:57,194 --> 02:17:57,895
>> we're having properties be

3631
02:17:57,895 --> 02:18:01,495
clear cut we hearing that and

3632
02:18:02,332 --> 02:18:03,000
over from the community.

3633
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:04,101
>> that we don't want clear

3634
02:18:04,101 --> 02:18:06,236
cutting and we were hopeful

3635
02:18:06,236 --> 02:18:07,705
that that treat code that we

3636
02:18:07,705 --> 02:18:08,872
instituted would help solve

3637
02:18:08,872 --> 02:18:11,272
that with the conservation

3638
02:18:13,510 --> 02:18:15,510
kind of

3639
02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:19,383
>> and of course it has yet no

3640
02:18:19,383 --> 02:18:20,351
it is should hasn't and and

3641
02:18:20,351 --> 02:18:21,850
people used hurricane as a as

3642
02:18:21,850 --> 02:18:24,221
a fig excuse to remove all the

3643
02:18:24,221 --> 02:18:26,189
trees on their property.

3644
02:18:26,189 --> 02:18:26,890
>> but what we're going to

3645
02:18:26,890 --> 02:18:27,525
have our entire neighborhoods

3646
02:18:27,525 --> 02:18:31,125
that have no trees if we

3647
02:18:31,528 --> 02:18:32,462
continue down that path. So

3648
02:18:32,462 --> 02:18:33,164
that's why we are proposing

3649
02:18:33,164 --> 02:18:36,164
after seeing the effects and

3650
02:18:36,366 --> 02:18:37,330
the impacts of that tree

3651
02:18:37,330 --> 02:18:37,635
ordinance that's why we are

3652
02:18:37,635 --> 02:18:39,635
proposing some changes

3653
02:18:39,770 --> 02:18:42,170
because. You know unintended

3654
02:18:48,111 --> 02:18:49,846
consequences are the. That's

3655
02:18:49,846 --> 02:18:50,548
where we we there were

3656
02:18:50,548 --> 02:18:51,248
unintended consequences from

3657
02:18:51,248 --> 02:18:53,583
that we're going to see those

3658
02:18:53,583 --> 02:18:57,183
on a grand scale. We don't.

3659
02:19:04,395 --> 02:19:05,129
Make some reversing decisions.

3660
02:19:05,129 --> 02:19:08,129
And that mitigation that's one

3661
02:19:09,366 --> 02:19:10,634
component of tree.

3662
02:19:10,634 --> 02:19:11,268
>> ordinance because before

3663
02:19:11,268 --> 02:19:12,803
they clear cutting and we

3664
02:19:12,803 --> 02:19:13,504
weren't getting anything the

3665
02:19:13,504 --> 02:19:15,904
change 36 inches in diameter

3666
02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:19,376
which absurd. And that's

3667
02:19:19,376 --> 02:19:20,430
what's allowing us to have

3668
02:19:20,430 --> 02:19:21,178
such a wonderful tree fund

3669
02:19:21,178 --> 02:19:24,178
that were actually. Trying to

3670
02:19:27,117 --> 02:19:27,817
decide how to use that money.

3671
02:19:27,817 --> 02:19:31,321
Yes palms. I know if somebody

3672
02:19:31,321 --> 02:19:32,550
had to not harm palms in their

3673
02:19:32,550 --> 02:19:33,190
front yard. I mean they didn't

3674
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:33,857
seem to have a problem because

3675
02:19:33,857 --> 02:19:35,910
that they have an extensive

3676
02:19:35,910 --> 02:19:37,910
system as well.

3677
02:19:39,797 --> 02:19:40,464
>> and it.

3678
02:19:40,464 --> 02:19:41,164
>> director right thank you

3679
02:19:41,164 --> 02:19:41,899
for bringing that up that you

3680
02:19:41,899 --> 02:19:44,768
can still have the drain field

3681
02:19:44,768 --> 02:19:47,570
doesn't take up your entire

3682
02:19:47,570 --> 02:19:48,239
front yard and and people do

3683
02:19:48,239 --> 02:19:49,740
plant palms in their front

3684
02:19:49,740 --> 02:19:50,340
yards with snow. No problem so

3685
02:19:50,340 --> 02:19:51,909
that is an option here

3686
02:19:51,909 --> 02:19:54,909
understory and um's I think

3687
02:19:56,747 --> 02:19:58,515
again you have you have

3688
02:19:58,515 --> 02:19:59,316
addressed every concern and

3689
02:19:59,316 --> 02:19:59,983
there is really no reason why

3690
02:19:59,983 --> 02:20:02,983
people can son trees around

3691
02:20:03,620 --> 02:20:04,588
around their house. So you're

3692
02:20:04,588 --> 02:20:06,656
looking for a consensus on

3693
02:20:06,656 --> 02:20:09,656
that first item. That was

3694
02:20:15,310 --> 02:20:15,699
number 3. We want to should

3695
02:20:15,699 --> 02:20:19,169
there be a minimum farm and

3696
02:20:19,169 --> 02:20:21,169
the residential development.

3697
02:20:22,606 --> 02:20:25,600
Commissioner emerge. Tell you

3698
02:20:26,643 --> 02:20:29,643
what staff recommended. I mean

3699
02:20:35,118 --> 02:20:35,786
yes well, and yes, I'm a yes.

3700
02:20:35,786 --> 02:20:38,786
Your your direction and the

3701
02:20:38,956 --> 02:20:41,356
second one is about.

3702
02:20:41,457 --> 02:20:44,457
>> raj for require a garage.

3703
02:20:45,462 --> 02:20:46,496
For residential development.

3704
02:20:46,496 --> 02:20:49,699
>> so one of the changes and

3705
02:20:49,699 --> 02:20:52,699
the proposed is that all

3706
02:20:53,751 --> 02:20:53,897
properties are our one would

3707
02:20:53,897 --> 02:20:54,304
have to have an attacker. They

3708
02:20:54,304 --> 02:20:57,904
would have to have a garage

3709
02:21:00,243 --> 02:21:01,144
that was at minimum size. Sort

3710
02:21:01,144 --> 02:21:01,844
of as a way of maintaining the

3711
02:21:01,844 --> 02:21:03,844
character existing character

3712
02:21:08,485 --> 02:21:09,219
of our want districts. Are our

3713
02:21:09,219 --> 02:21:11,619
the district are existing

3714
02:21:16,526 --> 02:21:18,395
single-family sticks. So. Our

3715
02:21:18,395 --> 02:21:20,730
thought process there was that

3716
02:21:20,730 --> 02:21:21,431
if are one requires garage and

3717
02:21:21,431 --> 02:21:22,980
it will help maintain sort of

3718
02:21:22,980 --> 02:21:24,980
similar characteristics for

3719
02:21:26,136 --> 02:21:26,836
the development. There's been

3720
02:21:26,836 --> 02:21:29,236
some discussion about whether

3721
02:21:29,839 --> 02:21:32,275
or not we should require and

3722
02:21:32,275 --> 02:21:32,876
then. As opposed like a

3723
02:21:32,876 --> 02:21:35,780
carport parking pad or

3724
02:21:35,780 --> 02:21:37,478
something along those lines.

3725
02:21:38,615 --> 02:21:39,450
And if we do require garage.

3726
02:21:39,450 --> 02:21:41,985
How big should encourage and

3727
02:21:41,985 --> 02:21:43,520
and the code we specified it

3728
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:46,520
would be I think 10 by 20

3729
02:21:47,424 --> 02:21:51,240
which is a single-car so it's

3730
02:21:51,461 --> 02:21:53,461
not overly burdensome.

3731
02:21:54,631 --> 02:21:56,631
>> all interesting. Vice

3732
02:21:58,768 --> 02:21:59,703
mayor.

3733
02:21:59,703 --> 02:22:01,571
>> this will be for just

3734
02:22:01,571 --> 02:22:03,971
clarification soupy for our

3735
02:22:07,477 --> 02:22:10,981
one. Right. I am an advocate

3736
02:22:10,981 --> 02:22:12,815
of I just you know I I know

3737
02:22:12,815 --> 02:22:15,815
many people who have moved

3738
02:22:18,555 --> 02:22:19,523
into this area moved planned

3739
02:22:19,523 --> 02:22:21,923
developments like well, im

3740
02:22:26,462 --> 02:22:27,163
park chose to leave that kind

3741
02:22:27,163 --> 02:22:27,897
environment for single-family

3742
02:22:27,897 --> 02:22:31,497
home looked all over port town

3743
02:22:33,203 --> 02:22:33,903
some beautiful homes. But were

3744
02:22:33,903 --> 02:22:37,503
turned off by general look of

3745
02:22:38,740 --> 02:22:39,509
a neighborhood in the street

3746
02:22:39,509 --> 02:22:40,143
GOD knows what will over the

3747
02:22:40,143 --> 02:22:42,345
sidewalks the streets to

3748
02:22:42,345 --> 02:22:45,348
swales the side of houses and

3749
02:22:45,348 --> 02:22:47,384
decided to go elsewhere

3750
02:22:47,384 --> 02:22:48,180
because it just looked awful

3751
02:22:48,180 --> 02:22:51,488
and so I'm a big advocate

3752
02:22:51,488 --> 02:22:54,488
garages. Think that's also of

3753
02:22:57,193 --> 02:22:57,794
the problems but it's a. If I

3754
02:22:57,794 --> 02:23:00,794
>> that was part of the

3755
02:23:01,598 --> 02:23:02,298
consideration here is that.

3756
02:23:02,298 --> 02:23:05,201
Times and other parts of the

3757
02:23:05,201 --> 02:23:05,935
country you have a basement

3758
02:23:05,935 --> 02:23:09,439
that you're able to keep stuff

3759
02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:10,140
all of your stuff in and in

3760
02:23:10,140 --> 02:23:10,874
florida. Obviously we cannot

3761
02:23:10,874 --> 02:23:14,377
have basements and so a lot of

3762
02:23:14,377 --> 02:23:16,279
people use their so then if

3763
02:23:16,279 --> 02:23:16,913
you don't require the garage

3764
02:23:16,913 --> 02:23:19,850
instead do a car part or

3765
02:23:19,850 --> 02:23:22,250
something along those lines.

3766
02:23:23,119 --> 02:23:23,920
Oftentimes you have storage of

3767
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:24,621
that those things under the

3768
02:23:24,621 --> 02:23:28,221
carport are in the side yard

3769
02:23:29,325 --> 02:23:31,394
or. Somewhere else. So this

3770
02:23:31,394 --> 02:23:32,695
would at least for the r one

3771
02:23:32,695 --> 02:23:34,330
districts require the and

3772
02:23:34,330 --> 02:23:37,330
there are 2 district we had

3773
02:23:38,235 --> 02:23:38,902
some mike's ability where it

3774
02:23:38,902 --> 02:23:39,535
because we're allowing tiny

3775
02:23:39,535 --> 02:23:40,770
homes and those types of

3776
02:23:40,770 --> 02:23:43,170
things are smaller dwelling

3777
02:23:44,541 --> 02:23:46,409
units in our 2 district. We

3778
02:23:46,409 --> 02:23:47,110
would allow like a carport or

3779
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:47,811
something but they would have

3780
02:23:47,811 --> 02:23:49,846
to have some type of enclosed

3781
02:23:49,846 --> 02:23:50,547
storage on the property as

3782
02:23:50,547 --> 02:23:52,982
well so that's how we worded

3783
02:23:52,982 --> 02:23:55,982
it to allow some flexibility.

3784
02:23:57,287 --> 02:23:59,687
We design and districts.

3785
02:24:02,426 --> 02:24:04,427
>> commissioner I'm and again

3786
02:24:04,427 --> 02:24:06,429
this is for new construction

3787
02:24:06,429 --> 02:24:07,931
and just yeah I'm I'm in

3788
02:24:07,931 --> 02:24:08,665
agreement with the having a

3789
02:24:08,665 --> 02:24:10,967
garage or and just think what

3790
02:24:10,967 --> 02:24:11,334
my dimensions or single cars

3791
02:24:11,334 --> 02:24:12,340
10 by 20.

3792
02:24:12,340 --> 02:24:15,634
>> and I think that should be

3793
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:20,844
the minimum.

3794
02:24:20,844 --> 02:24:21,912
>> commissioner 1000 ship

3795
02:24:21,912 --> 02:24:23,790
question no I didn't have a

3796
02:24:23,790 --> 02:24:26,790
question I was advocating not

3797
02:24:26,416 --> 02:24:27,250
to have a large because it to

3798
02:24:27,250 --> 02:24:27,917
the cost of the house not

3799
02:24:27,917 --> 02:24:30,653
everybody wants grant and I

3800
02:24:30,653 --> 02:24:33,653
think state statute also does

3801
02:24:36,159 --> 02:24:39,759
not allow design. For the city

3802
02:24:40,163 --> 02:24:40,697
to hinder design of of

3803
02:24:40,697 --> 02:24:41,397
single-family home.

3804
02:24:41,397 --> 02:24:44,997
>> and you know, I'm not I'm

3805
02:24:45,469 --> 02:24:46,903
not up on the state statute on

3806
02:24:46,903 --> 02:24:47,671
that but I do believe that

3807
02:24:47,671 --> 02:24:48,371
this is something that can

3808
02:24:48,371 --> 02:24:51,474
help cut down on the cost we

3809
02:24:51,474 --> 02:24:52,175
have code enforcement.

3810
02:24:52,175 --> 02:24:53,342
>> that make sure that things

3811
02:24:53,342 --> 02:24:56,942
are not full debris in crop.

3812
02:24:57,130 --> 02:24:57,947
You know laying around that's.

3813
02:24:57,947 --> 02:25:00,947
Don't know what the exact

3814
02:25:02,551 --> 02:25:05,551
terminology is it's a single

3815
02:25:06,456 --> 02:25:07,490
family home that somebody is

3816
02:25:07,490 --> 02:25:09,425
building and I'm not talking

3817
02:25:09,425 --> 02:25:10,426
about in the preplanning

3818
02:25:10,426 --> 02:25:11,861
communities, but this is more

3819
02:25:11,861 --> 02:25:15,461
of a property rights I should

3820
02:25:15,498 --> 02:25:17,634
not be required to build one.

3821
02:25:17,634 --> 02:25:18,268
I can put it in a car or or a

3822
02:25:18,268 --> 02:25:20,403
pat to help keep my cost

3823
02:25:20,403 --> 02:25:23,403
building a home down we're

3824
02:25:25,410 --> 02:25:25,775
looking for affordability here

3825
02:25:25,775 --> 02:25:28,945
and I am against happened this

3826
02:25:28,945 --> 02:25:29,645
in our coating requirement,

3827
02:25:29,645 --> 02:25:31,213
totally different when you're

3828
02:25:31,213 --> 02:25:31,915
talking about a preplanned the

3829
02:25:31,915 --> 02:25:34,915
community like in one parker

3830
02:25:35,685 --> 02:25:36,386
kept her now. This is also

3831
02:25:36,386 --> 02:25:39,386
it's and with preplanned the

3832
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:42,560
community.

3833
02:25:44,794 --> 02:25:46,730
>> I can speak to the statute.

3834
02:25:46,730 --> 02:25:47,430
It prohibits the city

3835
02:25:47,430 --> 02:25:49,430
regulating the architectural

3836
02:25:52,468 --> 02:25:53,202
static. Elements of

3837
02:25:53,202 --> 02:25:55,305
single-family property it does

3838
02:25:55,305 --> 02:25:58,305
not prohibit city or county

3839
02:26:00,900 --> 02:26:00,609
from acquiring a good watch.

3840
02:26:00,609 --> 02:26:01,744
That's a structural and

3841
02:26:01,744 --> 02:26:04,144
functional element that under

3842
02:26:06,615 --> 02:26:07,316
the purview 2 cities and

3843
02:26:07,316 --> 02:26:07,917
counties that clarity you're

3844
02:26:07,917 --> 02:26:09,385
welcome and I'm I'm not

3845
02:26:09,385 --> 02:26:10,190
familiar with any other

3846
02:26:10,190 --> 02:26:12,419
jurisdiction in the state

3847
02:26:14,224 --> 02:26:16,959
that. Does not require a

3848
02:26:16,959 --> 02:26:17,660
garage for single-family home.

3849
02:26:17,660 --> 02:26:21,260
Something we can look at that

3850
02:26:21,430 --> 02:26:24,430
I it would. Very surprising.

3851
02:26:25,301 --> 02:26:28,301
most do require a garage.

3852
02:26:29,705 --> 02:26:30,740
Anything else I appreciate you

3853
02:26:30,740 --> 02:26:34,340
brought this phone bank. I did

3854
02:26:34,444 --> 02:26:35,111
yeah.

3855
02:26:35,111 --> 02:26:36,780
>> because I'm thinking of

3856
02:26:36,780 --> 02:26:38,681
years ago we had a builder all

3857
02:26:38,681 --> 02:26:42,281
state that that. I don't know

3858
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:43,752
if they had it was an option,

3859
02:26:43,752 --> 02:26:47,352
but some people they put the

3860
02:26:48,124 --> 02:26:48,858
french doors garage door do we

3861
02:26:48,858 --> 02:26:51,194
require that there be a garage

3862
02:26:51,194 --> 02:26:51,895
doors or option that if

3863
02:26:51,895 --> 02:26:54,895
people. No they're just going

3864
02:26:56,365 --> 02:26:57,670
for storage which. Most people

3865
02:26:57,670 --> 02:27:00,670
that's why we have 6 vehicles

3866
02:27:00,502 --> 02:27:01,170
that can go on a driveway.

3867
02:27:01,170 --> 02:27:04,770
That they can put doors on

3868
02:27:04,874 --> 02:27:07,274
instead of garage door.

3869
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:11,460
>> we did not specify. What

3870
02:27:11,460 --> 02:27:11,747
type of door the garage have

3871
02:27:11,747 --> 02:27:12,348
to have so I don't know that

3872
02:27:12,348 --> 02:27:14,748
there would be anything

3873
02:27:16,953 --> 02:27:17,586
prohibiting. Property owner

3874
02:27:17,586 --> 02:27:19,986
from using storage space

3875
02:27:21,690 --> 02:27:24,690
there. It prohibit a property

3876
02:27:27,397 --> 02:27:30,397
owner from converting it to

3877
02:27:30,499 --> 02:27:31,434
living space. They want let's

3878
02:27:31,434 --> 02:27:32,268
say you have a 2 car garage

3879
02:27:32,268 --> 02:27:32,902
and you want to convert a

3880
02:27:32,902 --> 02:27:35,902
portion of that to living

3881
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:36,806
space you would be able to do

3882
02:27:36,806 --> 02:27:39,275
so as long as the remaining at

3883
02:27:39,275 --> 02:27:42,275
the size requirement. For the

3884
02:27:45,648 --> 02:27:46,348
garage space for the we did

3885
02:27:46,348 --> 02:27:49,170
not get into the weeds as to

3886
02:27:49,170 --> 02:27:49,451
what type of garage that

3887
02:27:49,451 --> 02:27:50,152
should have.

3888
02:27:50,152 --> 02:27:53,255
>> but right now it has to be

3889
02:27:53,255 --> 02:27:57,455
a garage door code or I don't

3890
02:27:59,329 --> 02:28:01,631
know that our current.

3891
02:28:01,631 --> 02:28:02,598
>> specifies that and the new

3892
02:28:02,598 --> 02:28:03,866
code also does not specify so

3893
02:28:03,866 --> 02:28:04,533
I don't see any reason why

3894
02:28:04,533 --> 02:28:08,133
they wouldn't be able to do

3895
02:28:13,509 --> 02:28:13,842
french doors on the

3896
02:28:13,842 --> 02:28:15,144
>> they

3897
02:28:15,144 --> 02:28:15,844
>> are why oregon's on

3898
02:28:15,844 --> 02:28:17,844
services assistant director,

3899
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:22,251
the current draft uldc.

3900
02:28:22,251 --> 02:28:24,651
Includes some line which

3901
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:27,656
speaking to the door requires

3902
02:28:27,656 --> 02:28:29,525
operable door capable of

3903
02:28:29,525 --> 02:28:31,525
allowing allowing vehicular

3904
02:28:34,596 --> 02:28:36,599
now that is very dissimilar

3905
02:28:36,599 --> 02:28:38,134
from other communities code

3906
02:28:38,134 --> 02:28:40,534
requirements, which really get

3907
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:43,739
into the details about

3908
02:28:43,739 --> 02:28:45,700
operable overhead so if a

3909
02:28:45,700 --> 02:28:47,407
garage could be designed.

3910
02:28:48,177 --> 02:28:50,177
>> 2.

3911
02:28:52,348 --> 02:28:53,810
>> some other. The work sure

3912
02:28:53,810 --> 02:28:56,810
that would still allow vehicle

3913
02:28:57,553 --> 02:29:00,553
access. Then it could be

3914
02:29:03,125 --> 02:29:04,693
incorporated current class.

3915
02:29:04,693 --> 02:29:05,327
>> obviously the coach changed

3916
02:29:05,327 --> 02:29:07,727
the years because there's

3917
02:29:09,198 --> 02:29:09,799
houses out there that at. You

3918
02:29:09,799 --> 02:29:12,199
know those french doors

3919
02:29:14,370 --> 02:29:15,738
commission without them. So

3920
02:29:15,738 --> 02:29:18,700
the current draft as they

3921
02:29:18,700 --> 02:29:18,641
stated has to have a operable

3922
02:29:18,641 --> 02:29:21,641
garage door to allow make

3923
02:29:22,177 --> 02:29:23,712
vehicle to go in. But the part

3924
02:29:23,712 --> 02:29:27,312
that also makes me have pause

3925
02:29:29,117 --> 02:29:30,486
is no garage shall be used as

3926
02:29:30,486 --> 02:29:31,186
living quarters on last

3927
02:29:31,186 --> 02:29:33,586
another garage is constructed

3928
02:29:36,225 --> 02:29:38,294
prior to that conversion.

3929
02:29:38,294 --> 02:29:39,761
These days there are so with

3930
02:29:39,761 --> 02:29:41,530
the cost of housing there are

3931
02:29:41,530 --> 02:29:42,164
so many people that are trying

3932
02:29:42,164 --> 02:29:44,564
convert their garage into

3933
02:29:44,933 --> 02:29:45,667
additional living space.

3934
02:29:45,667 --> 02:29:49,400
>> and there are many that are

3935
02:29:49,400 --> 02:29:50,206
trying to do it legally.

3936
02:29:50,206 --> 02:29:52,207
Because they want to have a

3937
02:29:52,207 --> 02:29:53,142
safe place with the proper

3938
02:29:53,142 --> 02:29:53,842
ingress and egress is and all

3939
02:29:53,842 --> 02:29:55,945
the air conditioning and all

3940
02:29:55,945 --> 02:29:58,345
the proper requirements, but

3941
02:29:59,649 --> 02:30:00,882
give them additional space

3942
02:30:00,882 --> 02:30:04,482
space is a garage how many

3943
02:30:04,487 --> 02:30:05,187
people use their and k. And

3944
02:30:05,187 --> 02:30:08,187
and that is considered living

3945
02:30:10,793 --> 02:30:14,993
space. And. I just. I go back

3946
02:30:15,864 --> 02:30:16,665
to enforcement. You know how

3947
02:30:16,665 --> 02:30:20,865
do you have say no you can't

3948
02:30:21,203 --> 02:30:23,239
have an space inside of a

3949
02:30:23,239 --> 02:30:23,973
garage because kind of like a

3950
02:30:23,973 --> 02:30:27,573
family or family room which is

3951
02:30:28,677 --> 02:30:30,980
living space in a garage. And

3952
02:30:30,980 --> 02:30:32,381
to require a garage be

3953
02:30:32,381 --> 02:30:33,115
additionally constructed when

3954
02:30:33,115 --> 02:30:35,952
people want to comfort their

3955
02:30:35,952 --> 02:30:38,352
for additional living space.

3956
02:30:38,787 --> 02:30:42,387
Just seems to me as very

3957
02:30:44,260 --> 02:30:46,426
burdensome property owners. I

3958
02:30:46,428 --> 02:30:47,620
can't agree to this because

3959
02:30:47,620 --> 02:30:49,898
it's my and if I want to

3960
02:30:49,898 --> 02:30:52,340
legally convert my garage,

3961
02:30:52,340 --> 02:30:52,735
keeping a board that chopper

3962
02:30:52,735 --> 02:30:55,735
double okay and why shouldn't

3963
02:30:56,471 --> 02:31:00,175
I be able to. So I'm not in

3964
02:31:00,175 --> 02:31:01,177
favor of this change.

3965
02:31:01,177 --> 02:31:03,479
>> I would like to add or

3966
02:31:03,479 --> 02:31:04,980
clarify something there when I

3967
02:31:04,980 --> 02:31:05,648
state living space I'm talking

3968
02:31:05,648 --> 02:31:08,648
about living space from the

3969
02:31:10,850 --> 02:31:12,850
florida building perspective.

3970
02:31:13,222 --> 02:31:13,889
So for the building there is a

3971
02:31:13,889 --> 02:31:14,490
separation requirement, 3rd

3972
02:31:14,490 --> 02:31:15,224
different construction

3973
02:31:15,224 --> 02:31:17,624
requirements for living spaces

3974
02:31:20,729 --> 02:31:22,665
for garages and garages. I

3975
02:31:22,665 --> 02:31:23,665
mean there's a reason that

3976
02:31:23,665 --> 02:31:24,700
it's built the way that it is

3977
02:31:24,700 --> 02:31:25,968
is vented the way that it to

3978
02:31:25,968 --> 02:31:28,968
help ensure life safety issues

3979
02:31:31,173 --> 02:31:32,274
so when we're talking about

3980
02:31:32,274 --> 02:31:33,442
living space like converting

3981
02:31:33,442 --> 02:31:34,109
your garage to living space.

3982
02:31:34,109 --> 02:31:36,509
I'm talking about creating

3983
02:31:37,412 --> 02:31:38,280
something that is like a

3984
02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:39,140
dwelling unit or an extra

3985
02:31:39,140 --> 02:31:42,140
bedroom that is compliant with

3986
02:31:42,517 --> 02:31:45,517
the florida building code, not

3987
02:31:47,220 --> 02:31:47,723
necessarily you know tv and

3988
02:31:47,723 --> 02:31:48,424
couch in the garage that you

3989
02:31:48,424 --> 02:31:51,160
just happen to just keep the

3990
02:31:51,160 --> 02:31:51,727
tv the couch in there, I'm

3991
02:31:51,727 --> 02:31:53,727
talking about actual

3992
02:31:56,398 --> 02:31:57,332
conversion into. Another

3993
02:31:57,332 --> 02:31:58,534
bedroom, another dwelling

3994
02:31:58,534 --> 02:31:59,868
unit, another you know

3995
02:31:59,868 --> 02:32:02,268
someplace review actively live

3996
02:32:05,907 --> 02:32:07,742
because. Building code

3997
02:32:07,742 --> 02:32:08,410
requires different separation

3998
02:32:08,410 --> 02:32:09,111
if there's carbon monoxide

3999
02:32:09,111 --> 02:32:10,278
issues, there's all sorts of

4000
02:32:10,278 --> 02:32:10,913
other life safety issues.

4001
02:32:10,913 --> 02:32:12,381
>> that's what I mean by

4002
02:32:12,381 --> 02:32:14,781
living space. In this

4003
02:32:15,650 --> 02:32:17,650
instance.

4004
02:32:18,387 --> 02:32:20,387
>> okay.

4005
02:32:21,223 --> 02:32:23,225
>> but just to clarify. Right

4006
02:32:23,225 --> 02:32:25,127
now we don't require a or is

4007
02:32:25,127 --> 02:32:29,327
that just part of the code and

4008
02:32:29,664 --> 02:32:30,332
talking about changing it. As

4009
02:32:30,332 --> 02:32:33,235
the city want to require a

4010
02:32:33,235 --> 02:32:33,969
garage.

4011
02:32:33,969 --> 02:32:37,569
>> so I don't think that right

4012
02:32:41,343 --> 02:32:41,944
now we require

4013
02:32:41,944 --> 02:32:43,944
>> commissioner emerge.

4014
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:46,615
>> you're talking about living

4015
02:32:46,615 --> 02:32:48,116
spaces and the garage and the

4016
02:32:48,116 --> 02:32:49,618
little guys are recessed by

4017
02:32:49,618 --> 02:32:51,686
about 4 inches and that's for

4018
02:32:51,686 --> 02:32:52,388
in case anything happens

4019
02:32:52,388 --> 02:32:53,550
inside the house for water or

4020
02:32:53,550 --> 02:32:56,655
anything to get out of the

4021
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:00,396
house. And like you said, most

4022
02:33:00,396 --> 02:33:01,630
garages are not under air just

4023
02:33:01,630 --> 02:33:02,497
like most lynn eyes are not

4024
02:33:02,497 --> 02:33:06,970
under air. So if you choose

4025
02:33:07,335 --> 02:33:08,200
use it as living space. You're

4026
02:33:08,200 --> 02:33:08,737
either going to be burdened

4027
02:33:08,737 --> 02:33:09,438
with me either have a portable

4028
02:33:09,438 --> 02:33:13,380
ac unit or anything out there

4029
02:33:13,776 --> 02:33:14,676
so. Yeah it is. Good for

4030
02:33:14,676 --> 02:33:16,912
storage and everything like

4031
02:33:16,912 --> 02:33:19,912
that, but you know where

4032
02:33:20,716 --> 02:33:21,649
people choose to live. Years

4033
02:33:21,649 --> 02:33:22,351
ago I slept in a garage with

4034
02:33:22,351 --> 02:33:23,652
no air and stuff because that

4035
02:33:23,652 --> 02:33:26,789
was the only place that was

4036
02:33:26,789 --> 02:33:28,323
available for me. But I was

4037
02:33:28,323 --> 02:33:31,323
trying to nickels together to

4038
02:33:35,397 --> 02:33:37,333
make 7 extra but. In the in my

4039
02:33:37,333 --> 02:33:38,300
opinion it's the aesthetics of

4040
02:33:38,300 --> 02:33:38,967
the neighborhood to keep

4041
02:33:38,967 --> 02:33:41,967
everything the same we have

4042
02:33:44,239 --> 02:33:47,375
all port which is often the

4043
02:33:47,375 --> 02:33:48,143
biscayne areas and and you

4044
02:33:48,143 --> 02:33:48,877
have called carports you know

4045
02:33:48,877 --> 02:33:49,611
you don't have the garages.

4046
02:33:49,611 --> 02:33:52,614
Those were the houses built in

4047
02:33:52,614 --> 02:33:53,314
50's and 60's and as you

4048
02:33:53,314 --> 02:33:56,652
progress we've gone up just a

4049
02:33:56,652 --> 02:33:59,187
little bit. Into the garage

4050
02:33:59,187 --> 02:34:00,550
area. So that's why I do

4051
02:34:00,550 --> 02:34:02,455
support the garage new

4052
02:34:04,325 --> 02:34:06,928
construction. And you know it

4053
02:34:06,928 --> 02:34:07,695
is part of the house, I mean

4054
02:34:07,695 --> 02:34:10,695
people can use that extra

4055
02:34:10,698 --> 02:34:12,534
space out there choose to do

4056
02:34:12,534 --> 02:34:13,235
it. If you have a garage door

4057
02:34:13,235 --> 02:34:16,835
a nobody see what's going on

4058
02:34:17,805 --> 02:34:18,507
behind that dam door. That's

4059
02:34:18,507 --> 02:34:22,707
it that's all I got there on

4060
02:34:23,612 --> 02:34:26,612
cover of this. Vice mayor.

4061
02:34:27,682 --> 02:34:30,682
Yeah get goes back to.

4062
02:34:31,119 --> 02:34:32,587
>> solana there virtually no

4063
02:34:32,587 --> 02:34:33,155
municipality step you know I

4064
02:34:33,155 --> 02:34:35,155
know that.

4065
02:34:39,494 --> 02:34:41,494
Requirement mean.

4066
02:34:43,532 --> 02:34:44,166
>> it.

4067
02:34:44,166 --> 02:34:47,166
>> you only need to drive

4068
02:34:50,405 --> 02:34:51,720
around the city to see how

4069
02:34:51,720 --> 02:34:53,541
looks on many many streets

4070
02:34:53,541 --> 02:34:56,177
where there are not or even

4071
02:34:56,177 --> 02:34:57,245
where there people just

4072
02:34:57,245 --> 02:34:57,945
insistent leaving their after

4073
02:34:57,945 --> 02:34:58,680
household stuff out along the

4074
02:34:58,680 --> 02:35:01,800
side of the and.

4075
02:35:03,919 --> 02:35:06,688
>> if your neighbor. You know

4076
02:35:06,688 --> 02:35:08,724
it affects you so I get it,

4077
02:35:08,724 --> 02:35:10,792
I'm a property rights too but

4078
02:35:10,792 --> 02:35:11,727
at the same time we all in

4079
02:35:11,727 --> 02:35:12,760
this part of the community

4080
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:15,730
we're not out in the wild west

4081
02:35:15,730 --> 02:35:17,265
we're not sitting on a 100

4082
02:35:17,265 --> 02:35:17,965
acres where nobody sees we

4083
02:35:17,965 --> 02:35:18,567
live next each other there's

4084
02:35:18,567 --> 02:35:20,967
some common decency and

4085
02:35:21,203 --> 02:35:21,836
courtesy that goes along with

4086
02:35:21,836 --> 02:35:24,236
having a property that's

4087
02:35:27,208 --> 02:35:28,276
maintained kept out having a

4088
02:35:28,276 --> 02:35:28,977
is going to lend itself to

4089
02:35:28,977 --> 02:35:31,947
that and it's not going to be

4090
02:35:31,947 --> 02:35:36,147
a cure all. And it brings with

4091
02:35:36,284 --> 02:35:38,684
it some enforcement issues.

4092
02:35:39,354 --> 02:35:40,210
You know for a new bills I

4093
02:35:40,210 --> 02:35:43,424
agree and you I don't want

4094
02:35:43,424 --> 02:35:44,493
tell everybody looked here for

4095
02:35:44,493 --> 02:35:46,228
2030 years you got know, but

4096
02:35:46,228 --> 02:35:46,895
any new I see no reason why it

4097
02:35:46,895 --> 02:35:49,295
shouldn't include a garage

4098
02:35:52,367 --> 02:35:54,936
just. Seems like it it makes

4099
02:35:54,936 --> 02:35:55,570
our city that much more

4100
02:35:55,570 --> 02:35:57,970
appealing that much more

4101
02:35:58,500 --> 02:35:59,641
attractive and like I say I

4102
02:35:59,641 --> 02:36:00,308
many people do not buy

4103
02:36:00,308 --> 02:36:01,800
single-family homes in this

4104
02:36:01,800 --> 02:36:03,411
community because of the fact

4105
02:36:03,411 --> 02:36:04,780
that their neighborhood that

4106
02:36:04,780 --> 02:36:07,678
they look at and there are

4107
02:36:07,782 --> 02:36:09,350
some make homes. But you look

4108
02:36:09,350 --> 02:36:10,418
around the neighbors and it's

4109
02:36:10,418 --> 02:36:14,180
such a they just shot goal

4110
02:36:14,890 --> 02:36:14,989
moved some of the community

4111
02:36:14,989 --> 02:36:18,326
and that's our think it really

4112
02:36:18,326 --> 02:36:18,960
is that's a so.

4113
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:20,960
>> thank you commissioner

4114
02:36:22,364 --> 02:36:22,998
mcdowell them and it's all

4115
02:36:22,998 --> 02:36:23,665
about choices if somebody

4116
02:36:23,665 --> 02:36:24,332
doesn't want to buy a house

4117
02:36:24,332 --> 02:36:25,867
next to somebody that has a

4118
02:36:25,867 --> 02:36:26,534
carport that's their choice.

4119
02:36:26,534 --> 02:36:30,134
But at the same time we're

4120
02:36:31,139 --> 02:36:32,473
trying to make housing

4121
02:36:32,473 --> 02:36:33,174
affordable and by not allowing

4122
02:36:33,174 --> 02:36:34,609
conversion of a garage into a

4123
02:36:34,609 --> 02:36:37,609
living space done legally that

4124
02:36:40,215 --> 02:36:41,416
to me is just wrong. And so I

4125
02:36:41,416 --> 02:36:43,118
know I'm in the minority and

4126
02:36:43,118 --> 02:36:44,219
I'm not going to change

4127
02:36:44,219 --> 02:36:45,387
anybody else's mind just like

4128
02:36:45,387 --> 02:36:46,588
nobody's going to change mind

4129
02:36:46,588 --> 02:36:47,255
but it's all about choices and

4130
02:36:47,255 --> 02:36:49,655
trying to things affordable

4131
02:36:51,392 --> 02:36:54,992
and that's what my goal thank

4132
02:36:55,163 --> 02:36:56,397
you for bringing

4133
02:36:56,397 --> 02:36:58,990
>> word I do agree with said

4134
02:36:58,990 --> 02:36:58,766
the vice mayor is talking

4135
02:36:58,766 --> 02:37:00,435
about people who have store

4136
02:37:00,435 --> 02:37:02,436
everything they own on the

4137
02:37:02,436 --> 02:37:03,438
side of their house ice,

4138
02:37:03,438 --> 02:37:04,139
especially notices and the

4139
02:37:04,139 --> 02:37:04,806
older developments where they

4140
02:37:04,806 --> 02:37:07,475
don't have a garage carport

4141
02:37:07,475 --> 02:37:10,475
or. Places like holiday park.

4142
02:37:11,713 --> 02:37:13,548
And then we just. Coming to an

4143
02:37:13,548 --> 02:37:14,249
enforcement you know if we're

4144
02:37:14,249 --> 02:37:14,949
going to ok we'll put a code

4145
02:37:14,949 --> 02:37:16,717
in place that you can do that

4146
02:37:16,717 --> 02:37:19,717
well then it just becomes

4147
02:37:22,524 --> 02:37:23,625
another. Another problem we do

4148
02:37:23,625 --> 02:37:25,160
share property lines. Yes,

4149
02:37:25,160 --> 02:37:25,760
it's our property. But share

4150
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:26,461
property lines with her

4151
02:37:26,461 --> 02:37:29,461
neighbor and that's going to

4152
02:37:32,333 --> 02:37:33,350
affect. Our life former

4153
02:37:33,350 --> 02:37:35,369
commissioner luke one said it

4154
02:37:35,369 --> 02:37:36,638
was a choice of people to live

4155
02:37:36,638 --> 02:37:37,572
in a municipality which is

4156
02:37:37,572 --> 02:37:38,272
going generally have higher

4157
02:37:38,272 --> 02:37:38,940
standards than if you live in

4158
02:37:38,940 --> 02:37:41,340
unincorporated parts of the

4159
02:37:44,579 --> 02:37:48,820
county. Just we do think of of

4160
02:37:48,820 --> 02:37:51,180
each other and how what we do

4161
02:37:51,180 --> 02:37:55,818
yeah, I was not be in favor of

4162
02:37:58,626 --> 02:38:02,226
free. I'm taking us away. So

4163
02:38:06,801 --> 02:38:11,100
you want I think they you it.

4164
02:38:13,641 --> 02:38:17,241
>> I'm going to get a but

4165
02:38:17,733 --> 02:38:17,877
>> deals flexible for

4166
02:38:17,877 --> 02:38:17,984
flexibility with buffer design

4167
02:38:17,984 --> 02:38:18,860
when a fence or a wall is

4168
02:38:18,860 --> 02:38:20,860
included for says.

4169
02:38:23,551 --> 02:38:24,218
Not including also.

4170
02:38:24,218 --> 02:38:24,719
>> our tight d and type ii

4171
02:38:24,719 --> 02:38:26,719
buffers both had

4172
02:38:33,127 --> 02:38:33,828
for alternative where. If you

4173
02:38:33,828 --> 02:38:35,396
included offense and this is

4174
02:38:35,396 --> 02:38:38,996
just a place to 4 foot fence.

4175
02:38:40,835 --> 02:38:42,803
You could have a smaller. For

4176
02:38:42,803 --> 02:38:43,471
it would reduce so take wood

4177
02:38:43,471 --> 02:38:44,271
reduced from 15 feet to 10

4178
02:38:44,271 --> 02:38:47,871
feet if you included some type

4179
02:38:48,576 --> 02:38:49,410
of barrier. So a fence or wall

4180
02:38:49,410 --> 02:38:50,111
and then that would be reduced

4181
02:38:50,111 --> 02:38:53,481
from 10 feet to 5 feet if you

4182
02:38:53,481 --> 02:38:56,918
include the law. These are our

4183
02:38:56,918 --> 02:38:59,918
least intense. First of these

4184
02:39:00,788 --> 02:39:02,390
are small as buffers and again

4185
02:39:02,390 --> 02:39:05,390
it just provides some there

4186
02:39:06,828 --> 02:39:08,729
was direction too. Not have a

4187
02:39:08,729 --> 02:39:09,330
lot of that flexibility or not

4188
02:39:09,330 --> 02:39:10,998
reduce the size if they

4189
02:39:10,998 --> 02:39:11,699
decided to include the fence

4190
02:39:11,699 --> 02:39:15,299
intent with the buffer is to

4191
02:39:16,170 --> 02:39:19,170
help. Reduce the visual impact

4192
02:39:20,174 --> 02:39:20,908
of potential in compatibility

4193
02:39:20,908 --> 02:39:22,910
ease. Staff believes that with

4194
02:39:22,910 --> 02:39:25,910
the your help mitigating that

4195
02:39:26,914 --> 02:39:28,749
more than just you know that

4196
02:39:28,749 --> 02:39:29,317
extra 5 feet of the buffer if

4197
02:39:29,317 --> 02:39:30,170
you were to do action

4198
02:39:30,170 --> 02:39:32,886
landscaping you doing at the

4199
02:39:32,886 --> 02:39:35,886
same. So we would recommend

4200
02:39:38,326 --> 02:39:39,160
keeping the flexibility. So

4201
02:39:39,160 --> 02:39:40,461
the question for a consensus

4202
02:39:40,461 --> 02:39:41,161
is should the city allow

4203
02:39:41,161 --> 02:39:42,397
flexibility design for reduce

4204
02:39:42,397 --> 02:39:45,397
spot for one offenses included

4205
02:39:48,703 --> 02:39:49,503
and the buffer area.

4206
02:39:49,503 --> 02:39:50,204
>> ok and kim ju just

4207
02:39:50,204 --> 02:39:53,204
reference where that is again

4208
02:39:56,277 --> 02:39:59,877
and there. And here the page.

4209
02:40:02,516 --> 02:40:04,516
>> this

4210
02:40:05,820 --> 02:40:08,820
>> should be about page 22. I

4211
02:40:12,526 --> 02:40:14,526
commissioner emrich.

4212
02:40:17,932 --> 02:40:19,932
>> on 2 scenarios. You're

4213
02:40:20,801 --> 02:40:21,502
going from 15 down to 10 or 10

4214
02:40:21,502 --> 02:40:25,102
down the 5 craft can you show

4215
02:40:25,406 --> 02:40:26,140
or tell

4216
02:40:26,140 --> 02:40:26,808
>> what type areas these would

4217
02:40:26,808 --> 02:40:30,378
be and are they just single

4218
02:40:30,378 --> 02:40:31,780
residential are they. You know

4219
02:40:31,780 --> 02:40:32,280
from the 10 down the is that

4220
02:40:32,280 --> 02:40:35,280
like a mobile I mean.

4221
02:40:40,388 --> 02:40:41,880
>> so we have. This is our

4222
02:40:41,880 --> 02:40:44,880
matrix so we're talking about

4223
02:40:45,592 --> 02:40:47,610
all of ease. Andy is so it

4224
02:40:47,610 --> 02:40:49,163
would be like a single-family

4225
02:40:49,163 --> 02:40:51,563
home next to property.

4226
02:40:56,504 --> 02:40:57,138
>> or.

4227
02:40:57,138 --> 02:40:57,838
>> our 2 property next to

4228
02:40:57,838 --> 02:41:00,838
arwen properties so these are

4229
02:41:01,275 --> 02:41:01,976
the.

4230
02:41:01,976 --> 02:41:04,976
>> these are the areas where

4231
02:41:05,513 --> 02:41:07,514
you basically have compatible

4232
02:41:07,514 --> 02:41:08,248
uses maybe one is slightly

4233
02:41:08,248 --> 02:41:08,950
more intense than the other so

4234
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:11,950
we're requiring some type of

4235
02:41:12,319 --> 02:41:14,154
but it's a pretty minimal

4236
02:41:14,154 --> 02:41:14,855
buffer just to sort of a

4237
02:41:14,855 --> 02:41:16,855
systemically separate provide

4238
02:41:18,493 --> 02:41:19,927
some visual separation there.

4239
02:41:19,927 --> 02:41:20,695
>> yeah I can understand that

4240
02:41:20,695 --> 02:41:21,395
your role you're only talking

4241
02:41:21,395 --> 02:41:24,395
four-foot fence. So it's not

4242
02:41:24,765 --> 02:41:25,499
really a 6 foot. Keeping your

4243
02:41:25,499 --> 02:41:29,990
eyes out of the property thing

4244
02:41:31,739 --> 02:41:32,807
but. I I struggle with going

4245
02:41:32,807 --> 02:41:33,507
from 10 down to 5. I think you

4246
02:41:33,507 --> 02:41:36,507
know maybe minimum should be

4247
02:41:38,579 --> 02:41:39,713
at least 10 all the way across

4248
02:41:39,713 --> 02:41:43,313
the board. I can see going 10

4249
02:41:43,384 --> 02:41:44,551
down 5 I can 15 going down the

4250
02:41:44,551 --> 02:41:45,253
but I can see that I'm going

4251
02:41:45,253 --> 02:41:48,853
down the fire. I think that's

4252
02:41:49,256 --> 02:41:53,456
just cut that way too close. I

4253
02:41:55,290 --> 02:41:57,290
so

4254
02:41:57,565 --> 02:41:58,232
>> alright, vice mayor yeah I

4255
02:41:58,232 --> 02:42:00,134
commissioner with regard to

4256
02:42:00,134 --> 02:42:04,334
but I also want to make clear.

4257
02:42:04,539 --> 02:42:06,374
When it comes to other I have

4258
02:42:06,374 --> 02:42:07,740
no problem if we're talking

4259
02:42:07,740 --> 02:42:09,474
compatible properties or one

4260
02:42:11,245 --> 02:42:11,979
twos threes but when we get

4261
02:42:11,979 --> 02:42:15,579
into areas where with all that

4262
02:42:17,117 --> 02:42:18,919
development we're doing. Yeah,

4263
02:42:18,919 --> 02:42:20,521
I want to make sure that the

4264
02:42:20,521 --> 02:42:21,188
city has the ability to I'm

4265
02:42:21,188 --> 02:42:23,588
very concerned about areas

4266
02:42:24,858 --> 02:42:25,860
where we're building.

4267
02:42:25,860 --> 02:42:27,795
Commercial or industrial in

4268
02:42:27,795 --> 02:42:29,795
closer proximity residential

4269
02:42:32,600 --> 02:42:35,603
and I want to make sure that.

4270
02:42:35,603 --> 02:42:37,571
You know if at all possible

4271
02:42:37,571 --> 02:42:38,305
what we're keeping the natural

4272
02:42:38,305 --> 02:42:41,408
trees said are there if at all

4273
02:42:41,408 --> 02:42:43,311
possible to totally blocked

4274
02:42:43,311 --> 02:42:44,611
for some of those people saw

4275
02:42:44,611 --> 02:42:45,278
what might be commercial or

4276
02:42:45,278 --> 02:42:47,678
industrial property and to

4277
02:42:50,350 --> 02:42:51,510
make sure that there's rich

4278
02:42:51,510 --> 02:42:51,752
enough but for us and fencing

4279
02:42:51,752 --> 02:42:53,870
standards and everything else

4280
02:42:53,870 --> 02:42:53,720
to make darned sure that you

4281
02:42:53,720 --> 02:42:56,720
know we're doing much to

4282
02:42:56,857 --> 02:42:59,257
protect. A welding. Property

4283
02:43:00,627 --> 02:43:02,950
owners.

4284
02:43:02,950 --> 02:43:05,199
>> so there are 2 that sort of

4285
02:43:05,199 --> 02:43:08,799
go to that south. On the

4286
02:43:09,136 --> 02:43:09,837
buffer matrix which. Tried to

4287
02:43:09,837 --> 02:43:13,374
make a little bit bigger city

4288
02:43:13,374 --> 02:43:14,800
you can see a little bit are

4289
02:43:14,800 --> 02:43:16,408
usually so basically are

4290
02:43:16,877 --> 02:43:19,877
useless go from we just

4291
02:43:21,115 --> 02:43:22,849
intense to most the top of the

4292
02:43:22,849 --> 02:43:25,520
column to the bottom and then

4293
02:43:25,520 --> 02:43:27,188
from the front of the road to

4294
02:43:27,188 --> 02:43:29,222
the back. And so you can see

4295
02:43:29,222 --> 02:43:31,826
that lake when you have a new.

4296
02:43:31,826 --> 02:43:34,826
You have activity center next

4297
02:43:36,631 --> 02:43:39,310
to enact property. Required

4298
02:43:39,366 --> 02:43:42,966
buffers and a buffer a buffer.

4299
02:43:44,338 --> 02:43:47,338
Is a 50 foot buffer with

4300
02:43:47,374 --> 02:43:48,976
canopy trees for understory

4301
02:43:48,976 --> 02:43:49,710
trees, the continuous at a

4302
02:43:49,710 --> 02:43:50,377
minimum wall of 6 feet and you

4303
02:43:50,377 --> 02:43:53,977
have to have a 5 so you're

4304
02:43:55,383 --> 02:43:57,783
looking. 13 feet of elevation

4305
02:43:59,620 --> 02:44:00,187
between those uses that. That

4306
02:44:00,187 --> 02:44:00,887
new activity center's

4307
02:44:00,887 --> 02:44:03,657
developer has to put in to be

4308
02:44:03,657 --> 02:44:04,391
able offer from the

4309
02:44:04,391 --> 02:44:06,391
potentially single-family home

4310
02:44:08,495 --> 02:44:09,129
that's next door. We

4311
02:44:09,129 --> 02:44:11,129
definitely have increased

4312
02:44:14,535 --> 02:44:15,135
buffer sizes heights.

4313
02:44:15,135 --> 02:44:18,372
Education and a b and c

4314
02:44:18,372 --> 02:44:20,772
buffers really. The second

4315
02:44:22,944 --> 02:44:23,644
thing is that.

4316
02:44:23,644 --> 02:44:26,644
>> over at the height and

4317
02:44:27,694 --> 02:44:30,694
sitting in this matrix that's

4318
02:44:30,851 --> 02:44:33,851
scene minimum berm. Which for

4319
02:44:38,920 --> 02:44:38,659
the first 2. Requires a 5 so

4320
02:44:38,659 --> 02:44:39,359
they have to create

4321
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:41,759
essentially a 5 foot mountain

4322
02:44:43,130 --> 02:44:43,697
that for will sit on.

4323
02:44:43,697 --> 02:44:45,532
>> and then you have

4324
02:44:45,532 --> 02:44:47,532
additional.

4325
02:44:47,734 --> 02:44:50,571
>> 6 feet because the top of.

4326
02:44:50,571 --> 02:44:51,271
>> you have put the ball. So

4327
02:44:51,271 --> 02:44:54,871
then you have a six-foot wall

4328
02:44:55,910 --> 02:44:57,177
on top of that.

4329
02:44:57,177 --> 02:45:00,381
>> the tie, buffer you have a

4330
02:45:00,381 --> 02:45:03,981
3 and then you have a six-foot

4331
02:45:04,818 --> 02:45:05,486
wall but you also have. And

4332
02:45:05,486 --> 02:45:09,860
the you have a canopy trees

4333
02:45:09,890 --> 02:45:09,890
per 100 linear feet the type b

4334
02:45:09,890 --> 02:45:12,290
you have 5 can 100 linear

4335
02:45:13,960 --> 02:45:15,960
feet.

4336
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:17,298
>> most canopy trees have the

4337
02:45:17,298 --> 02:45:19,633
spread of 30 so I mean you're

4338
02:45:19,633 --> 02:45:22,633
talking about a pretty dense.

4339
02:45:25,672 --> 02:45:26,473
>> coverage in those. Areas,

4340
02:45:26,473 --> 02:45:27,274
no minimums on high though

4341
02:45:27,274 --> 02:45:29,242
with those kind of patriots 1,

4342
02:45:29,242 --> 02:45:31,242
2, so the materials.

4343
02:45:34,915 --> 02:45:35,583
>> so we have. Material

4344
02:45:35,583 --> 02:45:36,383
standards at planting they

4345
02:45:36,383 --> 02:45:37,818
have to be a minimum 8 feet I

4346
02:45:37,818 --> 02:45:40,218
believe 4 inches wide. So

4347
02:45:41,789 --> 02:45:42,456
that's your minimum when you

4348
02:45:42,456 --> 02:45:45,292
plant it, most canopy trees

4349
02:45:45,292 --> 02:45:46,794
are going to be anywhere from

4350
02:45:46,794 --> 02:45:50,394
25 to 50 feet in height. So i

4351
02:45:51,310 --> 02:45:53,200
mean. With a type a buffer

4352
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:55,600
you're looking at between

4353
02:45:57,905 --> 02:45:58,539
>> the wall.

4354
02:45:58,539 --> 02:45:59,206
>> the canopy tree you're

4355
02:45:59,206 --> 02:46:01,606
looking at probably 80 feet

4356
02:46:05,450 --> 02:46:06,914
of.

4357
02:46:06,914 --> 02:46:07,581
>> dense vegetation and wall

4358
02:46:07,581 --> 02:46:08,282
do it to make sure that you

4359
02:46:08,282 --> 02:46:11,282
can't see whatever's going on

4360
02:46:14,288 --> 02:46:15,355
in the property next door.

4361
02:46:15,355 --> 02:46:16,890
>> is a slightly steps down

4362
02:46:16,890 --> 02:46:18,489
version but again you're

4363
02:46:19,193 --> 02:46:22,193
looking at so I probably 52 60

4364
02:46:22,529 --> 02:46:24,631
feet worth of coverage. And

4365
02:46:24,631 --> 02:46:26,566
then on top of these

4366
02:46:26,566 --> 02:46:30,166
requirements and I. I think we

4367
02:46:32,639 --> 02:46:35,390
put them in chapter.

4368
02:46:40,213 --> 02:46:40,914
>> and our.

4369
02:46:40,914 --> 02:46:43,150
>> forget the name check but

4370
02:46:43,150 --> 02:46:46,150
anyways in areas of transition

4371
02:46:48,755 --> 02:46:49,456
that's what we call it. Where

4372
02:46:49,456 --> 02:46:50,223
we have new zoning districts

4373
02:46:50,223 --> 02:46:53,223
that are next to existing

4374
02:46:53,226 --> 02:46:53,693
potentially nexus existing

4375
02:46:53,693 --> 02:46:54,295
single family.

4376
02:46:54,295 --> 02:46:55,763
>> we required that any

4377
02:46:55,763 --> 02:46:56,960
buffers that was required

4378
02:46:56,960 --> 02:46:58,960
there.

4379
02:47:00,701 --> 02:47:01,301
>> has to be increased by 10

4380
02:47:01,301 --> 02:47:02,502
feet to be able to help

4381
02:47:02,502 --> 02:47:03,269
mitigate the existing use to

4382
02:47:03,269 --> 02:47:06,840
the news so we did add that

4383
02:47:06,840 --> 02:47:07,541
into those requirements. So

4384
02:47:07,541 --> 02:47:10,541
there are quite a safeguards

4385
02:47:11,945 --> 02:47:12,645
to make sure that the buffers

4386
02:47:12,645 --> 02:47:13,347
are going to be adequate for

4387
02:47:13,347 --> 02:47:15,747
whatever type of development

4388
02:47:20,553 --> 02:47:20,920
comes be q. Commissioner

4389
02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:22,556
mcdowell.

4390
02:47:22,556 --> 02:47:23,256
>> and so while we were

4391
02:47:23,256 --> 02:47:23,957
talking about fence. I'm glad

4392
02:47:23,957 --> 02:47:26,994
that it has evolved into the

4393
02:47:26,994 --> 02:47:27,294
buffering section because you

4394
02:47:27,294 --> 02:47:29,294
know.

4395
02:47:32,165 --> 02:47:32,866
>> if you live in our won

4396
02:47:32,866 --> 02:47:33,500
which is for all intents and

4397
02:47:33,500 --> 02:47:34,167
purposes a preplanned the

4398
02:47:34,167 --> 02:47:34,901
community and something is

4399
02:47:34,901 --> 02:47:36,970
going to go up in a mixed use.

4400
02:47:36,970 --> 02:47:38,338
That's right next to you

4401
02:47:38,338 --> 02:47:41,938
buffering is a d which is

4402
02:47:42,420 --> 02:47:45,420
like. Not quite bear base.

4403
02:47:46,613 --> 02:47:49,613
It's more. Aesthetic it's it's

4404
02:47:49,782 --> 02:47:52,782
not offering is like. Is

4405
02:47:52,852 --> 02:47:53,454
buffering is the most

4406
02:47:53,454 --> 02:47:55,454
intensive type offering

4407
02:47:58,759 --> 02:48:02,359
possible. Dea and the ins. So

4408
02:48:02,896 --> 02:48:06,496
much and I was talking about

4409
02:48:09,702 --> 02:48:10,570
our one to and max one.

4410
02:48:10,570 --> 02:48:11,271
>> our want to annex one would

4411
02:48:11,271 --> 02:48:14,271
be like a single-family home

4412
02:48:18,245 --> 02:48:20,245
potentially 2 town houses.

4413
02:48:23,650 --> 02:48:24,840
>> small strips enter its.

4414
02:48:24,840 --> 02:48:24,818
>> very low.

4415
02:48:24,818 --> 02:48:25,919
>> that low intensity it's not

4416
02:48:25,919 --> 02:48:29,189
especially use it as a side.

4417
02:48:29,189 --> 02:48:31,424
There's a lot of. Intrusive

4418
02:48:31,424 --> 02:48:33,824
minister mx one too.

4419
02:48:33,960 --> 02:48:36,930
>> and and I don't like that

4420
02:48:36,930 --> 02:48:40,901
being a deep. It needs to be a

4421
02:48:40,901 --> 02:48:41,534
little bit more protected

4422
02:48:41,534 --> 02:48:42,135
because of the sights and

4423
02:48:42,135 --> 02:48:43,337
sounds you're not just

4424
02:48:43,337 --> 02:48:45,737
protecting the esthetic lee

4425
02:48:46,172 --> 02:48:47,107
you're also the sounds of

4426
02:48:47,107 --> 02:48:50,107
things and that really doesn't

4427
02:48:53,347 --> 02:48:56,883
happen. I don't see where it

4428
02:48:56,883 --> 02:48:57,651
is addressed in offering

4429
02:48:57,651 --> 02:49:00,287
matrix from mx one existing

4430
02:49:00,287 --> 02:49:02,989
single family home. To an end

4431
02:49:02,989 --> 02:49:05,989
next one with the restaurant.

4432
02:49:06,927 --> 02:49:07,894
It's in the same zoning

4433
02:49:07,894 --> 02:49:10,894
because it's being changed the

4434
02:49:10,897 --> 02:49:11,531
house is

4435
02:49:11,531 --> 02:49:14,531
>> where is that in this

4436
02:49:15,302 --> 02:49:18,302
section. So it's in a

4437
02:49:22,176 --> 02:49:22,843
different section.

4438
02:49:22,843 --> 02:49:23,543
>> as part of our previous

4439
02:49:23,543 --> 02:49:25,543
conversations on transitional

4440
02:49:26,130 --> 02:49:26,779
design elements. We have a

4441
02:49:26,779 --> 02:49:29,179
whole section in chapter 3

4442
02:49:30,417 --> 02:49:31,685
that that.

4443
02:49:31,685 --> 02:49:32,118
>> speaks to all the

4444
02:49:32,118 --> 02:49:34,118
requirements.

4445
02:49:36,856 --> 02:49:37,523
>> one of them.

4446
02:49:37,523 --> 02:49:39,250
>> is that buffer shall be

4447
02:49:39,250 --> 02:49:39,893
enhanced in the areas that are

4448
02:49:39,893 --> 02:49:40,627
transitioning where a

4449
02:49:40,627 --> 02:49:41,461
single-family home is adjacent

4450
02:49:41,461 --> 02:49:44,461
to a permissible primer used

4451
02:49:45,565 --> 02:49:46,933
for the au sable that is not

4452
02:49:46,933 --> 02:49:47,633
single family in these areas

4453
02:49:47,633 --> 02:49:50,633
the required buffer should be

4454
02:49:50,937 --> 02:49:51,605
increased to the next level.

4455
02:49:51,605 --> 02:49:52,272
So I misspoke it wasn't 10

4456
02:49:52,272 --> 02:49:55,872
feet it's to the next level

4457
02:49:58,978 --> 02:49:59,712
up. So for example if the

4458
02:49:59,712 --> 02:50:00,380
required buffer is in each for

4459
02:50:00,380 --> 02:50:03,980
that ad type buffer then be

4460
02:50:07,186 --> 02:50:09,880
required. So essentially. You

4461
02:50:09,880 --> 02:50:10,156
up and then it says in

4462
02:50:10,156 --> 02:50:11,290
instances where in a type

4463
02:50:11,290 --> 02:50:12,158
required an additional 10 feet

4464
02:50:12,158 --> 02:50:12,892
will be added to the required

4465
02:50:12,892 --> 02:50:15,892
buffers eyes because buffer is

4466
02:50:16,996 --> 02:50:17,631
already.

4467
02:50:17,631 --> 02:50:18,464
>> sizable so we're just

4468
02:50:18,464 --> 02:50:21,701
adding a little bit of extra

4469
02:50:21,701 --> 02:50:22,402
to

4470
02:50:22,402 --> 02:50:23,690
>> mitigate any potential in

4471
02:50:23,690 --> 02:50:25,305
compatibility and this must

4472
02:50:25,305 --> 02:50:28,905
be. Someone knew I knew that

4473
02:50:29,709 --> 02:50:33,309
we had talked about in zoning

4474
02:50:33,447 --> 02:50:34,614
district house versus the new

4475
02:50:34,614 --> 02:50:36,516
development. I just I was

4476
02:50:36,516 --> 02:50:37,217
expecting to see it here so

4477
02:50:37,217 --> 02:50:37,918
forgive me for that I'm glad

4478
02:50:37,918 --> 02:50:39,619
that you do have a cover they

4479
02:50:39,619 --> 02:50:42,220
can't wait to see what the

4480
02:50:42,220 --> 02:50:43,123
final outcome of that draft

4481
02:50:43,123 --> 02:50:47,323
looks like. But as far as the

4482
02:50:49,362 --> 02:50:50,430
fence part. It's only a foot

4483
02:50:50,430 --> 02:50:52,765
fence in some regards and and

4484
02:50:52,765 --> 02:50:53,700
to my fellow commissioners

4485
02:50:53,700 --> 02:50:56,700
reducing it, 5 feet from 10 to

4486
02:50:57,236 --> 02:50:59,500
5 that's like nothing. So I

4487
02:50:59,500 --> 02:51:02,500
would be more inclined to

4488
02:51:04,977 --> 02:51:05,678
remove though. Reduction in

4489
02:51:05,678 --> 02:51:09,278
that buffering area for the d

4490
02:51:19,359 --> 02:51:20,426
buffers. Consensus.

4491
02:51:20,426 --> 02:51:22,295
>> making consensus now for

4492
02:51:22,295 --> 02:51:24,264
that long we have it for the

4493
02:51:24,264 --> 02:51:24,998
fences yeah because dna only

4494
02:51:24,998 --> 02:51:26,980
if if I remember correctly the

4495
02:51:26,980 --> 02:51:29,980
minimum height is 4 feet and

4496
02:51:29,402 --> 02:51:33,200
that does not. And it doesn't

4497
02:51:33,907 --> 02:51:34,641
have to be opaque does it.

4498
02:51:34,641 --> 02:51:35,375
>> it does have pick I'm sorry

4499
02:51:35,375 --> 02:51:39,812
it does have to be does it say

4500
02:51:39,812 --> 02:51:40,479
it has to be opaque. Decker

4501
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:42,879
defenses doesn't really say

4502
02:51:44,551 --> 02:51:46,551
opaque. Take buffer.

4503
02:51:46,619 --> 02:51:48,619
>> include.

4504
02:51:52,124 --> 02:51:54,524
>> decker defense. Says does

4505
02:51:59,398 --> 02:52:02,398
it say it has too.

4506
02:52:04,904 --> 02:52:05,638
>> to double check and wear.

4507
02:52:05,638 --> 02:52:06,372
Where that language is but I'm

4508
02:52:06,372 --> 02:52:07,674
fairly certain that it that it

4509
02:52:07,674 --> 02:52:10,740
has to be fake.

4510
02:52:12,450 --> 02:52:14,480
>> his past. Okay and then are

4511
02:52:14,480 --> 02:52:17,216
we requiring offense. Or is it

4512
02:52:17,216 --> 02:52:19,510
a MAY.

4513
02:52:19,510 --> 02:52:21,510
>> if you have.

4514
02:52:24,623 --> 02:52:25,292
>> don't have a fence. Then

4515
02:52:25,292 --> 02:52:26,920
you have to have the larger

4516
02:52:26,920 --> 02:52:26,793
buffer that's how that works

4517
02:52:26,793 --> 02:52:28,194
if you have a fence, then you

4518
02:52:28,194 --> 02:52:31,530
can have the smaller for size

4519
02:52:31,530 --> 02:52:34,134
so for d. If you don't want to

4520
02:52:34,134 --> 02:52:34,834
include offense. You have a 15

4521
02:52:34,834 --> 02:52:35,501
foot buffer. You do include a

4522
02:52:35,501 --> 02:52:39,101
fast and you have a 10 foot

4523
02:52:39,171 --> 02:52:39,972
buffer. Theoretically you

4524
02:52:39,972 --> 02:52:40,673
could include the sense of the

4525
02:52:40,673 --> 02:52:43,673
15 foot buffer, if you wanted

4526
02:52:47,513 --> 02:52:48,214
to. But it's it would only be

4527
02:52:48,214 --> 02:52:51,214
required and smaller sides of

4528
02:52:52,452 --> 02:52:53,119
way. Yeah that.

4529
02:52:53,119 --> 02:52:54,520
>> mayor if we could get a

4530
02:52:54,520 --> 02:52:56,920
consensus that the city.

4531
02:52:57,924 --> 02:53:00,324
>> should not. Reduce the

4532
02:53:01,427 --> 02:53:05,270
buffer when 2 I keep it a

4533
02:53:06,632 --> 02:53:09,632
tent. We're 15 for 15. So the

4534
02:53:13,572 --> 02:53:14,273
city should not reduce the

4535
02:53:14,273 --> 02:53:14,941
buffer when offenses included

4536
02:53:14,941 --> 02:53:15,575
so they'll have to come up

4537
02:53:15,575 --> 02:53:16,776
with the correct language

4538
02:53:16,776 --> 02:53:17,477
based on our consensus, okay,

4539
02:53:17,477 --> 02:53:21,581
so we'll be keeping it at the

4540
02:53:21,581 --> 02:53:23,581
15 and the time.

4541
02:53:25,985 --> 02:53:26,653
>> much.

4542
02:53:26,653 --> 02:53:30,253
>> do that. But I was good

4543
02:53:32,191 --> 02:53:33,193
with the we do that on the 15

4544
02:53:33,193 --> 02:53:36,193
foot buffer down to 10 foot

4545
02:53:36,295 --> 02:53:36,963
buffer, but the other one one

4546
02:53:36,963 --> 02:53:39,963
and then not walk 5, 5, was

4547
02:53:40,320 --> 02:53:43,632
too short. I'm good with the

4548
02:53:46,372 --> 02:53:48,942
consensus. Look at with that.

4549
02:53:48,942 --> 02:53:50,942
Station.

4550
02:53:52,440 --> 02:53:55,440
>> just double your page city

4551
02:53:58,751 --> 02:54:01,187
is just make sure 4 feet is

4552
02:54:01,187 --> 02:54:04,187
>> so that the last consensus

4553
02:54:08,294 --> 02:54:10,963
item is in regards to box.

4554
02:54:10,963 --> 02:54:11,630
>> part 2 chapter staff

4555
02:54:11,630 --> 02:54:13,630
reduced setback requirement

4556
02:54:16,435 --> 02:54:18,137
for docs multi-family

4557
02:54:18,137 --> 02:54:19,238
properties from 20 feet to 15

4558
02:54:19,238 --> 02:54:23,438
feet. So this is set back from

4559
02:54:24,376 --> 02:54:27,976
outside. Line. It so that the

4560
02:54:30,583 --> 02:54:31,284
reduction it's just to make it

4561
02:54:31,284 --> 02:54:33,152
a little bit are usable user

4562
02:54:33,152 --> 02:54:35,654
friendly have more half. More

4563
02:54:35,654 --> 02:54:38,540
dock. Access or multifamily

4564
02:54:41,694 --> 02:54:43,896
properties. So the consensus

4565
02:54:43,896 --> 02:54:44,764
item should we require

4566
02:54:44,764 --> 02:54:45,464
setbacks for docs we could do

4567
02:54:45,464 --> 02:54:48,464
0 set back which would allow

4568
02:54:49,340 --> 02:54:51,434
for an our connectivity

4569
02:54:51,737 --> 02:54:52,438
between sites or we can do

4570
02:54:52,438 --> 02:54:53,138
reduce setback at 15 feet or

4571
02:54:53,138 --> 02:54:56,138
the current gold standard is

4572
02:54:58,544 --> 02:54:59,178
20 feet. So should we require

4573
02:54:59,178 --> 02:55:02,147
act how large should that

4574
02:55:02,147 --> 02:55:04,547
setback be if any.

4575
02:55:06,197 --> 02:55:09,797
>> was this in the cold again

4576
02:55:17,529 --> 02:55:19,529
ma'am.

4577
02:55:19,565 --> 02:55:20,266
>> I like it's in the marine

4578
02:55:20,266 --> 02:55:22,535
improvements, it was in part

4579
02:55:22,535 --> 02:55:26,735
but I think point which so. It

4580
02:55:41,820 --> 02:55:43,820
is page 41.

4581
02:55:55,534 --> 02:55:56,602
Number 6 all talk

4582
02:55:56,602 --> 02:55:57,303
for fear structures must be

4583
02:55:57,303 --> 02:55:57,936
set back a minimum of 15 feet

4584
02:55:57,936 --> 02:56:00,336
from the nearest property

4585
02:56:00,439 --> 02:56:01,507
line.

4586
02:56:01,507 --> 02:56:03,750
>> yeah, that was changed

4587
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:03,776
after we had the discussion on

4588
02:56:03,776 --> 02:56:06,245
part is changed between part

4589
02:56:06,245 --> 02:56:08,645
one and part 2. Remember

4590
02:56:11,784 --> 02:56:12,185
correctly whenever its right

4591
02:56:12,185 --> 02:56:12,852
about that.

4592
02:56:12,852 --> 02:56:13,519
>> improvement section that

4593
02:56:13,519 --> 02:56:14,953
was brought forward in the

4594
02:56:14,953 --> 02:56:17,289
initial part one discussion.

4595
02:56:17,289 --> 02:56:18,224
>> needed some tweaks and

4596
02:56:18,224 --> 02:56:21,824
staff knew that going into the

4597
02:56:22,528 --> 02:56:23,763
workshop.

4598
02:56:23,763 --> 02:56:24,430
>> and that's why I was like I

4599
02:56:24,430 --> 02:56:25,970
didn't ask for consensus on

4600
02:56:25,970 --> 02:56:26,699
this but that's because you

4601
02:56:26,699 --> 02:56:30,299
guys changed it. And I asked

4602
02:56:31,236 --> 02:56:34,836
change so. Why was a change 25

4603
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:35,675
2.15.

4604
02:56:35,675 --> 02:56:38,675
>> I believe the reason was

4605
02:56:40,112 --> 02:56:43,112
just allow for more space.

4606
02:56:43,215 --> 02:56:45,615
Staff would support. 0 set

4607
02:56:46,510 --> 02:56:46,752
back if we want to go that

4608
02:56:46,752 --> 02:56:49,752
direction. Again this is just

4609
02:56:50,389 --> 02:56:50,957
from the side property lines.

4610
02:56:50,957 --> 02:56:52,957
>> for commercial or

4611
02:56:56,361 --> 02:56:58,361
multifamily.

4612
02:57:04,169 --> 02:57:07,769
>> if I MAY mayor goodman. The

4613
02:57:10,242 --> 02:57:10,909
dax would be going. Where give

4614
02:57:10,909 --> 02:57:11,744
me give me some examples of

4615
02:57:11,744 --> 02:57:14,714
bodies of water where these

4616
02:57:14,714 --> 02:57:16,782
docks would go because if

4617
02:57:16,782 --> 02:57:20,382
there next if they're in a

4618
02:57:20,519 --> 02:57:21,353
proposed zoning change area.

4619
02:57:21,353 --> 02:57:22,220
Next to single family

4620
02:57:22,220 --> 02:57:24,620
residential or r to

4621
02:57:27,426 --> 02:57:28,394
residential even maybe even

4622
02:57:28,394 --> 02:57:29,610
multifamily residential, those

4623
02:57:29,610 --> 02:57:32,610
docks are getting closer to

4624
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:33,733
those property where would

4625
02:57:33,733 --> 02:57:36,133
where would something like

4626
02:57:38,737 --> 02:57:40,272
that to place.

4627
02:57:40,272 --> 02:57:41,106
>> potentially a lot like the

4628
02:57:41,106 --> 02:57:44,106
myakka you're one of there's

4629
02:57:44,943 --> 02:57:47,943
some areas that we're in

4630
02:57:48,140 --> 02:57:50,490
corporating and to get a whole

4631
02:57:50,490 --> 02:57:51,884
lot of fun faces on the myakka

4632
02:57:51,884 --> 02:57:52,852
hatchee critique why would we

4633
02:57:52,852 --> 02:57:56,452
allow docks on the myakka head

4634
02:57:58,424 --> 02:58:00,424
she we there.

4635
02:58:00,458 --> 02:58:01,930
>> all right well, I

4636
02:58:01,930 --> 02:58:01,760
potentially exposed rocks

4637
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:02,427
could be used for something

4638
02:58:02,427 --> 02:58:05,427
other you could do outdoor

4639
02:58:12,438 --> 02:58:14,438
seating I

4640
02:58:17,543 --> 02:58:20,913
>> I don't know a lot about

4641
02:58:20,913 --> 02:58:21,580
taking correct the public

4642
02:58:21,580 --> 02:58:23,348
interest. You got past MISS

4643
02:58:23,348 --> 02:58:24,483
Katie eye-catching creek. On

4644
02:58:24,483 --> 02:58:24,883
the title side of our

4645
02:58:24,883 --> 02:58:26,883
structures.

4646
02:58:28,860 --> 02:58:31,860
>> there's areas there. But I

4647
02:58:31,290 --> 02:58:31,990
also you have the coco plum

4648
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:34,859
which has commercial one side

4649
02:58:34,859 --> 02:58:35,427
residential another. There's

4650
02:58:35,427 --> 02:58:37,427
some england they're

4651
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:40,230
commercial. And residential

4652
02:58:44,203 --> 02:58:46,539
probably family as well.

4653
02:58:46,539 --> 02:58:50,139
>> okay so water a body of

4654
02:58:51,577 --> 02:58:52,411
water. Could like a lake and

4655
02:58:52,411 --> 02:58:53,345
I'm thinking of a lake that

4656
02:58:53,345 --> 02:58:55,345
doesn't happen development,

4657
02:58:57,316 --> 02:58:57,716
you're overnight. We do blade

4658
02:58:57,716 --> 02:58:58,384
and price.

4659
02:58:58,384 --> 02:58:59,840
>> there's a big beautiful

4660
02:58:59,840 --> 02:59:02,840
like back there. There's also

4661
02:59:03,421 --> 02:59:04,122
a link work shire that have

4662
02:59:04,122 --> 02:59:06,158
like docks on it if it was to

4663
02:59:06,158 --> 02:59:06,592
get developed.

4664
02:59:06,592 --> 02:59:08,592
>> it could.

4665
02:59:11,296 --> 02:59:12,131
>> that's all private though.

4666
02:59:12,131 --> 02:59:12,998
>> yeah I understand that

4667
02:59:12,998 --> 02:59:13,665
those are private that's what

4668
02:59:13,665 --> 02:59:14,399
we also have to think about

4669
02:59:14,399 --> 02:59:17,202
you know as private and public

4670
02:59:17,202 --> 02:59:19,202
in.

4671
02:59:19,471 --> 02:59:21,871
>> think those are both.

4672
02:59:25,410 --> 02:59:26,780
Parcel. Water body. Person

4673
02:59:26,780 --> 02:59:28,313
doesn't cure sep 2 separate

4674
02:59:28,313 --> 02:59:30,313
parcels.

4675
02:59:34,853 --> 02:59:35,554
>> I think. I'm not seeing a

4676
02:59:35,554 --> 02:59:37,756
huge change here but at the

4677
02:59:37,756 --> 02:59:40,756
same time the 25 foot staff

4678
02:59:41,359 --> 02:59:42,600
initially requested was 25 so

4679
02:59:42,600 --> 02:59:44,696
maybe we should just keep it

4680
02:59:44,696 --> 02:59:48,296
25 feet. It can always ask for

4681
02:59:48,400 --> 02:59:49,340
a waiver.

4682
02:59:49,340 --> 02:59:51,434
>> a lorry barnes system

4683
02:59:53,606 --> 02:59:55,700
director development services.

4684
02:59:55,700 --> 02:59:56,508
Existing code has a 25 foot

4685
02:59:56,508 --> 02:59:59,770
setback and when when I look

4686
02:59:59,770 --> 03:00:03,877
at I can tell you I could not

4687
03:00:07,452 --> 03:00:08,487
ascertain. That 25 foot

4688
03:00:08,487 --> 03:00:09,187
setback for a dock on

4689
03:00:09,187 --> 03:00:11,187
multifamily was incorporated

4690
03:00:13,358 --> 03:00:14,293
the code to begin with. And

4691
03:00:14,293 --> 03:00:14,993
many cases exceeds the

4692
03:00:14,993 --> 03:00:16,993
building setback requirement

4693
03:00:19,698 --> 03:00:22,568
on a multifamily property. As

4694
03:00:22,568 --> 03:00:23,268
katy said we would even

4695
03:00:23,268 --> 03:00:25,668
support going 0 because when

4696
03:00:26,371 --> 03:00:29,371
you think about impacts of

4697
03:00:30,208 --> 03:00:30,976
residential on the adjacent

4698
03:00:30,976 --> 03:00:31,777
property owner. What what what

4699
03:00:31,777 --> 03:00:35,377
are the impacts what are we

4700
03:00:36,782 --> 03:00:37,582
trying to. What negative

4701
03:00:37,582 --> 03:00:39,982
impact or potential negative

4702
03:00:41,153 --> 03:00:44,122
impact are we attempting to

4703
03:00:44,122 --> 03:00:45,224
medicaid and if incorporated

4704
03:00:45,224 --> 03:00:46,124
to 0 back there could be

4705
03:00:46,124 --> 03:00:46,758
connectivity between that

4706
03:00:46,758 --> 03:00:48,758
stocks, especially public

4707
03:00:49,394 --> 03:00:51,794
access is permanent. Providing

4708
03:00:55,266 --> 03:00:57,235
a walkable area. Coke bottle

4709
03:00:57,235 --> 03:00:57,902
lake for example it could be

4710
03:00:57,902 --> 03:00:58,570
subdivided in the future of

4711
03:00:58,570 --> 03:01:01,540
the property along the bank

4712
03:01:01,540 --> 03:01:02,207
could be subdivided the future

4713
03:01:02,207 --> 03:01:05,807
and when you think about a

4714
03:01:06,244 --> 03:01:06,878
mixed use component developed

4715
03:01:06,878 --> 03:01:09,278
adjacent to a multifamily

4716
03:01:10,582 --> 03:01:13,518
property and then cannot thing

4717
03:01:13,518 --> 03:01:15,918
that waterfront access way

4718
03:01:18,490 --> 03:01:20,358
from that adjacent property.

4719
03:01:20,358 --> 03:01:21,260
What if we created we've

4720
03:01:21,260 --> 03:01:23,426
created a disconnected site

4721
03:01:24,263 --> 03:01:27,263
along the waterfront. So when

4722
03:01:29,301 --> 03:01:31,301
we propose the 15.

4723
03:01:31,336 --> 03:01:33,271
>> the thought process was why

4724
03:01:33,271 --> 03:01:35,540
are we restricting the size of

4725
03:01:35,540 --> 03:01:36,508
docks on multifamily and let's

4726
03:01:36,508 --> 03:01:37,209
you know, let's let's reduce

4727
03:01:37,209 --> 03:01:41,409
that a little bit to a large

4728
03:01:43,348 --> 03:01:44,983
allow a larger. Structure.

4729
03:01:44,983 --> 03:01:45,650
>> but further consideration

4730
03:01:45,650 --> 03:01:48,500
conversations with katie I

4731
03:01:49,288 --> 03:01:51,288
completely agree that.

4732
03:01:51,356 --> 03:01:52,560
>> you 0 stop MAY just very

4733
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:55,560
well be appropriate to allow

4734
03:02:04,369 --> 03:02:06,369
for that connectivity.

4735
03:02:07,172 --> 03:02:07,873
>> commissioner yeah just

4736
03:02:07,873 --> 03:02:09,107
double checking because there

4737
03:02:09,107 --> 03:02:12,107
is some waterfront coco plum

4738
03:02:13,110 --> 03:02:15,130
and hillsborough that. I'm

4739
03:02:15,130 --> 03:02:18,130
trying to see if it's

4740
03:02:19,317 --> 03:02:21,717
multi-family that's next to.

4741
03:02:29,961 --> 03:02:30,662
Residential. I think as you're

4742
03:02:30,662 --> 03:02:33,662
suggesting the 15 foot to go

4743
03:02:36,134 --> 03:02:37,435
from 25 to 0. I don't think I

4744
03:02:37,435 --> 03:02:39,303
could be amenable to that but

4745
03:02:39,303 --> 03:02:39,972
the 15 yes, and if a developer

4746
03:02:39,972 --> 03:02:43,441
comes in wants to change it

4747
03:02:43,441 --> 03:02:44,750
you can ask for weight. To go

4748
03:02:44,750 --> 03:02:44,943
down to the 0 and if the

4749
03:02:44,943 --> 03:02:47,943
commission at that time says

4750
03:02:54,686 --> 03:02:55,386
yeah. You know we they can

4751
03:02:55,386 --> 03:02:58,756
always come in and ask for a

4752
03:02:58,756 --> 03:02:59,457
waiver I just was asking why

4753
03:02:59,457 --> 03:03:02,457
what was the change purpose.

4754
03:03:09,100 --> 03:03:09,801
From 25 to 15. That.

4755
03:03:09,801 --> 03:03:12,703
>> I just question about the

4756
03:03:12,703 --> 03:03:13,504
when you're talking about even

4757
03:03:13,504 --> 03:03:14,372
a 0 chris that is from the

4758
03:03:14,372 --> 03:03:17,972
property line that would be on

4759
03:03:18,443 --> 03:03:19,760
the side. Correct.

4760
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:22,676
>> so if we have a 0 foot

4761
03:03:23,715 --> 03:03:24,682
setback it would allow

4762
03:03:24,682 --> 03:03:25,450
adjacent properties to connect

4763
03:03:25,450 --> 03:03:26,885
the dot docks together

4764
03:03:26,885 --> 03:03:27,586
essentially so that you have a

4765
03:03:27,586 --> 03:03:29,986
continuous waterfront carry a

4766
03:03:30,421 --> 03:03:31,122
right.

4767
03:03:31,122 --> 03:03:34,122
>> much like that picture you

4768
03:03:36,661 --> 03:03:37,629
had there. But I was. They had

4769
03:03:37,629 --> 03:03:38,629
a picture up there now and

4770
03:03:38,629 --> 03:03:39,297
missed it and think

4771
03:03:39,297 --> 03:03:41,297
commissioner mcdowell wear

4772
03:03:44,302 --> 03:03:45,169
that we have just people that

4773
03:03:45,169 --> 03:03:48,169
water but it restaurant out

4774
03:03:48,873 --> 03:03:51,873
there, but. Okay so this

4775
03:03:52,100 --> 03:03:54,100
picture that shows. 0.

4776
03:03:56,800 --> 03:03:56,814
>> setback is that.

4777
03:03:56,814 --> 03:03:57,849
>> which is say if each one of

4778
03:03:57,849 --> 03:03:58,549
those buildings is somebody

4779
03:03:58,549 --> 03:03:59,584
else's property is that what

4780
03:03:59,584 --> 03:04:02,584
you're saying yes, believe uk

4781
03:04:03,550 --> 03:04:05,550
okay.

4782
03:04:08,250 --> 03:04:09,927
>> I looking for.

4783
03:04:09,927 --> 03:04:10,995
>> consensus to to propose

4784
03:04:10,995 --> 03:04:12,163
something get a about a

4785
03:04:12,163 --> 03:04:12,897
consensus to change it to keep

4786
03:04:12,897 --> 03:04:15,897
it at the staff recommendation

4787
03:04:20,939 --> 03:04:22,939
of 15 feet. Much.

4788
03:04:24,376 --> 03:04:27,376
>> I would 0% setback. I can

4789
03:04:35,653 --> 03:04:37,722
deal with that. An that many

4790
03:04:37,722 --> 03:04:38,389
>> yeah and I would go for the

4791
03:04:38,389 --> 03:04:39,190
0 as well the whole idea if

4792
03:04:39,190 --> 03:04:41,993
it's to utilize the waterfront

4793
03:04:41,993 --> 03:04:44,228
utilites the water that. Well

4794
03:04:44,228 --> 03:04:46,364
little we have of it here. So

4795
03:04:46,364 --> 03:04:48,364
I prefer 0. Commissioner

4796
03:04:51,403 --> 03:04:53,403
mcdowell.

4797
03:04:55,440 --> 03:04:58,440
>> my consensus was for edge

4798
03:04:59,177 --> 03:04:59,877
to it in the for multifamily

4799
03:04:59,877 --> 03:05:02,813
got so this picture does need

4800
03:05:02,813 --> 03:05:05,813
that what we're talking about.

4801
03:05:06,551 --> 03:05:07,251
picture is this pictures

4802
03:05:07,251 --> 03:05:08,419
commercial when we're talking

4803
03:05:08,419 --> 03:05:11,419
about is one multi-family to

4804
03:05:13,324 --> 03:05:13,758
another multifamily creating

4805
03:05:13,758 --> 03:05:14,392
connectivity.

4806
03:05:14,392 --> 03:05:15,920
>> maybe they don't want

4807
03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:18,950
people coming I am not favor

4808
03:05:18,950 --> 03:05:18,829
of a 0 set back and there

4809
03:05:18,829 --> 03:05:21,829
there's a reason you suggested

4810
03:05:25,336 --> 03:05:26,370
the 15 stick with that.

4811
03:05:26,370 --> 03:05:29,370
>> ok pictures now multi she

4812
03:05:31,976 --> 03:05:33,976
yes.

4813
03:05:34,278 --> 03:05:37,878
>> so clear that have with for

4814
03:05:38,850 --> 03:05:41,250
that here clear that

4815
03:05:42,687 --> 03:05:44,687
>> you get

4816
03:05:45,423 --> 03:05:46,858
>> that is my last consensus

4817
03:05:46,858 --> 03:05:47,391
item so for the next

4818
03:05:47,391 --> 03:05:49,391
>> basically hour.

4819
03:05:52,930 --> 03:05:54,798
>> chapter.

4820
03:05:54,798 --> 03:05:55,433
>> 5 which assigns is mostly

4821
03:05:55,433 --> 03:05:56,101
time as we had planned on

4822
03:05:56,101 --> 03:05:59,101
having it with chapter 4 so

4823
03:06:01,706 --> 03:06:02,606
that should be coming and then

4824
03:06:02,606 --> 03:06:03,208
we have a natural resources,

4825
03:06:03,208 --> 03:06:03,908
environmental resources

4826
03:06:03,908 --> 03:06:06,710
chapter that will be the last

4827
03:06:06,710 --> 03:06:09,710
one. So we're sort grounding

4828
03:06:12,950 --> 03:06:13,617
all at this point will do

4829
03:06:13,617 --> 03:06:14,218
probably workshops will do

4830
03:06:14,218 --> 03:06:16,187
workshops for chapter 5

4831
03:06:16,187 --> 03:06:16,821
chapter 6 and then we'll bring

4832
03:06:16,821 --> 03:06:20,421
it back with our and it's

4833
03:06:27,164 --> 03:06:29,164
04:00am. Just exciting.

4834
03:06:29,333 --> 03:06:30,100
Questions comments concerns

4835
03:06:30,100 --> 03:06:32,500
commissioner goodell is still

4836
03:06:33,166 --> 03:06:33,671
on their yeah yeah so based on

4837
03:06:33,671 --> 03:06:34,505
what you said are we going to

4838
03:06:34,505 --> 03:06:35,720
be talking about chapter 5

4839
03:06:35,720 --> 03:06:37,472
chapter 6 in the next

4840
03:06:39,844 --> 03:06:40,578
workshop.

4841
03:06:40,578 --> 03:06:41,779
>> right breaking them up they

4842
03:06:41,779 --> 03:06:43,800
will be broken up it will be

4843
03:06:43,800 --> 03:06:44,182
it will have a discussion on

4844
03:06:44,182 --> 03:06:46,884
chapter 5 and then we'll have

4845
03:06:46,884 --> 03:06:47,585
a discussion on chapter 5 will

4846
03:06:47,585 --> 03:06:51,185
be like JANUARY and 6 will be

4847
03:06:51,188 --> 03:06:53,588
like FEBRUARY yes tentatively

4848
03:06:58,429 --> 03:07:00,429
s.

4849
03:07:00,664 --> 03:07:01,599
>> and so since our workshop

4850
03:07:01,599 --> 03:07:03,367
in JANUARY is right after the

4851
03:07:03,367 --> 03:07:05,569
holidays and we're supposed to

4852
03:07:05,569 --> 03:07:06,303
get these 2 weeks beforehand

4853
03:07:06,303 --> 03:07:07,370
and that we have holidays in

4854
03:07:07,370 --> 03:07:08,939
between that you said that the

4855
03:07:08,939 --> 03:07:09,340
sign code is already pretty

4856
03:07:09,340 --> 03:07:11,340
much done.

4857
03:07:13,440 --> 03:07:14,450
>> maybe we can get it.

4858
03:07:14,450 --> 03:07:15,880
>> sooner than that 2 weeks so

4859
03:07:15,880 --> 03:07:19,283
that way then we have a little

4860
03:07:19,283 --> 03:07:19,984
extra time the holidays to

4861
03:07:19,984 --> 03:07:20,684
review that's possible please

4862
03:07:20,684 --> 03:07:21,850
we can do our best to get it

4863
03:07:21,850 --> 03:07:23,850
to you or.

4864
03:07:26,891 --> 03:07:28,920
>> I don't know. We haven't

4865
03:07:28,920 --> 03:07:29,393
discussed. Official timing yet

4866
03:07:29,393 --> 03:07:33,397
as to how we want to do it,

4867
03:07:33,397 --> 03:07:33,698
but that sort of general doing

4868
03:07:33,698 --> 03:07:34,365
well.

4869
03:07:34,365 --> 03:07:35,320
>> hopefully sooner rather

4870
03:07:35,320 --> 03:07:36,670
than later because I'm sure

4871
03:07:36,670 --> 03:07:39,667
you don't want to be answering

4872
03:07:40,710 --> 03:07:40,771
my questions during the

4873
03:07:40,771 --> 03:07:41,438
holidays. I'm the only other

4874
03:07:41,438 --> 03:07:44,842
question that I have is you

4875
03:07:44,842 --> 03:07:45,776
were talking about a new co

4876
03:07:45,776 --> 03:07:48,176
that's going through public

4877
03:07:50,414 --> 03:07:51,820
works something engineering.

4878
03:07:51,820 --> 03:07:53,820
Designing yeah, engineering

4879
03:07:56,320 --> 03:07:58,756
design manual. How does that

4880
03:07:58,756 --> 03:08:01,625
get approved, I mean is that

4881
03:08:01,625 --> 03:08:03,727
if it's being referenced in

4882
03:08:03,727 --> 03:08:05,163
this cold wouldn't that design

4883
03:08:05,163 --> 03:08:05,830
manuel have to then also be

4884
03:08:05,830 --> 03:08:06,564
approved by the commission

4885
03:08:06,564 --> 03:08:09,564
since it's being referenced in

4886
03:08:11,969 --> 03:08:13,969
this co.

4887
03:08:14,380 --> 03:08:15,380
>> so it's created separately

4888
03:08:15,380 --> 03:08:17,438
and reference adopted by

4889
03:08:20,511 --> 03:08:21,212
ordinance I resolution. So

4890
03:08:21,212 --> 03:08:24,812
that they can then change it

4891
03:08:27,951 --> 03:08:29,520
as the standards change.

4892
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:31,880
>> all right so when are we

4893
03:08:31,880 --> 03:08:32,256
going to see that because if

4894
03:08:32,256 --> 03:08:32,823
this uldc takes effect and you

4895
03:08:32,823 --> 03:08:35,223
still working on this

4896
03:08:38,395 --> 03:08:39,630
engineering. And it's being

4897
03:08:39,630 --> 03:08:39,696
reference but you guys have

4898
03:08:39,696 --> 03:08:42,696
been headed to prove jeff

4899
03:08:43,367 --> 03:08:44,302
what's that look like.

4900
03:08:44,302 --> 03:08:45,200
>> commissioner mcdowell were

4901
03:08:45,200 --> 03:08:48,602
hoping to planes at the same

4902
03:08:50,708 --> 03:08:51,375
time. If in the event the

4903
03:08:51,375 --> 03:08:53,375
engineering design standard

4904
03:08:56,747 --> 03:08:57,382
manuals it's delayed then we

4905
03:08:57,382 --> 03:08:59,183
will re incorporate those

4906
03:08:59,183 --> 03:09:01,583
technical standards into the

4907
03:09:04,880 --> 03:09:06,190
uldc to get it adopted without

4908
03:09:06,190 --> 03:09:08,358
delaying any further the uldc

4909
03:09:08,358 --> 03:09:09,260
and then make appropriate

4910
03:09:09,260 --> 03:09:11,426
amendments to remove those

4911
03:09:11,862 --> 03:09:14,262
technical standards down the

4912
03:09:14,732 --> 03:09:15,900
road that is not our the

4913
03:09:15,900 --> 03:09:16,601
engineering division assures

4914
03:09:16,601 --> 03:09:18,736
us they are working very hard

4915
03:09:18,736 --> 03:09:21,136
with their consultants. They

4916
03:09:21,506 --> 03:09:25,106
do have a draft prepared. And

4917
03:09:27,712 --> 03:09:28,379
it it completed and this

4918
03:09:28,379 --> 03:09:31,379
friend right along with the

4919
03:09:32,516 --> 03:09:34,516
uldc.

4920
03:09:34,518 --> 03:09:35,653
>> what why do we go to

4921
03:09:35,653 --> 03:09:36,387
engineering design manual to

4922
03:09:36,387 --> 03:09:38,556
begin with when everything was

4923
03:09:38,556 --> 03:09:39,590
pretty much already in the

4924
03:09:39,590 --> 03:09:41,358
uldc.

4925
03:09:41,358 --> 03:09:41,993
>> many cities separate the

4926
03:09:41,993 --> 03:09:42,659
engineering the technical

4927
03:09:42,659 --> 03:09:45,590
standards from the unified

4928
03:09:45,362 --> 03:09:47,762
land development code because

4929
03:09:47,932 --> 03:09:48,565
the members members of the

4930
03:09:48,565 --> 03:09:50,965
general public that that

4931
03:09:53,537 --> 03:09:55,937
information and very technical

4932
03:09:57,541 --> 03:10:00,541
and it's not information that

4933
03:10:00,611 --> 03:10:01,979
most individuals need to delve

4934
03:10:01,979 --> 03:10:02,713
into per se it's something

4935
03:10:02,713 --> 03:10:05,713
that our engineers are looking

4936
03:10:06,117 --> 03:10:08,517
for the developers engineers.

4937
03:10:14,591 --> 03:10:15,590
So so that's one reason is to.

4938
03:10:15,590 --> 03:10:15,726
>> substantial

4939
03:10:15,726 --> 03:10:18,126
>> technical jargon and the

4940
03:10:18,962 --> 03:10:19,696
uldc and make it a more

4941
03:10:19,696 --> 03:10:22,960
user-friendly document for the

4942
03:10:24,167 --> 03:10:26,670
majority of people. The second

4943
03:10:26,670 --> 03:10:27,538
reason is by incorporating it.

4944
03:10:27,538 --> 03:10:30,538
I reference whether them as

4945
03:10:31,740 --> 03:10:31,642
part of the unified land

4946
03:10:31,642 --> 03:10:32,342
development it's the

4947
03:10:32,342 --> 03:10:32,976
engineering department needs

4948
03:10:32,976 --> 03:10:35,376
to change a technical

4949
03:10:37,814 --> 03:10:40,814
standard. That you know based

4950
03:10:40,884 --> 03:10:41,985
on changes in materials or

4951
03:10:41,985 --> 03:10:43,888
lessons learned they're able

4952
03:10:43,888 --> 03:10:46,490
to make that change with one

4953
03:10:46,490 --> 03:10:48,559
public hearing by resolution

4954
03:10:48,559 --> 03:10:49,860
rather than ordinance which

4955
03:10:49,860 --> 03:10:50,527
would be required of all those

4956
03:10:50,527 --> 03:10:52,927
standards one for PRESIDENT

4957
03:10:53,630 --> 03:10:55,630
The uldc.

4958
03:10:55,165 --> 03:10:57,565
>> public input. Thank you.

4959
03:11:00,638 --> 03:11:03,274
Okay. So chapters, 5, will be

4960
03:11:03,274 --> 03:11:06,874
coming back. For us next year

4961
03:11:07,110 --> 03:11:07,644
too.

4962
03:11:07,644 --> 03:11:10,644
>> do we have any public

4963
03:11:15,952 --> 03:11:16,720
comment. Jasmine bowman.

4964
03:11:16,720 --> 03:11:17,420
>> development sites

4965
03:11:17,420 --> 03:11:18,255
preserving implanting are not

4966
03:11:18,255 --> 03:11:18,922
the same plant in young trees

4967
03:11:18,922 --> 03:11:19,623
is nice, but young trees do

4968
03:11:19,623 --> 03:11:22,623
not have the roots structures

4969
03:11:23,961 --> 03:11:24,861
to mature trees. Sure resource

4970
03:11:24,861 --> 03:11:26,861
center urban flooding,

4971
03:11:27,970 --> 03:11:29,497
preventing erosion oil there

4972
03:11:29,800 --> 03:11:30,834
serving at least mature trees

4973
03:11:30,834 --> 03:11:32,102
and development sites should

4974
03:11:32,102 --> 03:11:33,237
be a requirement every day I

4975
03:11:33,237 --> 03:11:35,806
see a lot that I see lots that

4976
03:11:35,806 --> 03:11:36,540
are completely clear but every

4977
03:11:36,540 --> 03:11:37,207
living and then too much

4978
03:11:37,207 --> 03:11:40,207
houses crammed onto 2 and a

4979
03:11:40,910 --> 03:11:43,380
lot. How is this being allowed

4980
03:11:43,380 --> 03:11:44,114
we're fortunate to still have

4981
03:11:44,114 --> 03:11:44,715
trees in north port preserving

4982
03:11:44,715 --> 03:11:45,315
some of them should be

4983
03:11:45,315 --> 03:11:47,315
prioritized about every

4984
03:11:47,317 --> 03:11:50,317
building every lot. And in

4985
03:11:59,864 --> 03:12:00,564
person we have carolyn rice.

4986
03:12:00,564 --> 03:12:01,231
>> came to speak on one item

4987
03:12:01,231 --> 03:12:03,366
and I have several now I've

4988
03:12:03,366 --> 03:12:04,702
heard some of the discussions.

4989
03:12:04,702 --> 03:12:08,302
I'm going back to the palm.

4990
03:12:09,573 --> 03:12:10,240
>> issue.

4991
03:12:10,240 --> 03:12:13,240
>> some of the things that

4992
03:12:13,977 --> 03:12:15,980
came to my mind is that most

4993
03:12:15,980 --> 03:12:17,247
of the palms except for the

4994
03:12:17,247 --> 03:12:17,981
sabal palm which is also the

4995
03:12:17,981 --> 03:12:20,451
cap which I'm sorry have which

4996
03:12:20,451 --> 03:12:24,651
is a state most of those palms

4997
03:12:24,955 --> 03:12:25,622
are not native to this area.

4998
03:12:25,622 --> 03:12:29,222
And having had palms on my

4999
03:12:29,459 --> 03:12:30,294
property having planted them.

5000
03:12:30,294 --> 03:12:30,994
They have not survive some of

5001
03:12:30,994 --> 03:12:34,197
that frost and freeze is that

5002
03:12:34,197 --> 03:12:36,197
at.

5003
03:12:38,368 --> 03:12:39,690
The other thing is that palms

5004
03:12:39,690 --> 03:12:39,670
have a I football root system

5005
03:12:39,670 --> 03:12:42,700
which is extensive root

5006
03:12:42,572 --> 03:12:43,140
system. Those are very prone

5007
03:12:43,140 --> 03:12:46,140
to blowing over in a

5008
03:12:46,877 --> 03:12:49,580
hurricane. Because it's not an

5009
03:12:49,580 --> 03:12:50,647
extensive branching out

5010
03:12:50,647 --> 03:12:51,381
system. So they're just as

5011
03:12:51,381 --> 03:12:55,581
likely as oak tree to be blown

5012
03:13:00,256 --> 03:13:01,625
over. The oxygen that's going

5013
03:13:01,625 --> 03:13:02,259
to be generated by a canopy

5014
03:13:02,259 --> 03:13:03,827
tree as opposed to a palm

5015
03:13:03,827 --> 03:13:06,463
tree, it's not the same.

5016
03:13:06,463 --> 03:13:09,463
Nowhere near the same. Because

5017
03:13:09,500 --> 03:13:12,500
you don't have a 40 foot.

5018
03:13:13,403 --> 03:13:14,771
Canopy growth regular tree as

5019
03:13:14,771 --> 03:13:18,371
opposed to a 20 foot for a

5020
03:13:25,282 --> 03:13:28,282
tree. It's a liability. The

5021
03:13:30,190 --> 03:13:30,753
falling palm fronds. If you

5022
03:13:30,753 --> 03:13:31,455
look at the royal palms, their

5023
03:13:31,455 --> 03:13:33,357
palm fronds if they come down

5024
03:13:33,357 --> 03:13:36,526
to hit somebody that's a huge

5025
03:13:36,526 --> 03:13:37,161
liability right there. As a

5026
03:13:37,161 --> 03:13:39,561
candidate the tree that's

5027
03:13:40,196 --> 03:13:43,196
losing leagues or a court.

5028
03:13:46,637 --> 03:13:49,637
That liability is not there.

5029
03:13:50,740 --> 03:13:51,808
That to the suffering. I'm

5030
03:13:51,808 --> 03:13:52,442
going to go back to the 3.20

5031
03:13:52,442 --> 03:13:53,410
project which is the one

5032
03:13:53,410 --> 03:13:56,112
that's closest to my heart for

5033
03:13:56,112 --> 03:13:58,112
obvious reasons.

5034
03:14:04,955 --> 03:14:06,890
The. Buffering. As proposed

5035
03:14:06,890 --> 03:14:06,756
which I'm not sure understood

5036
03:14:06,756 --> 03:14:10,600
all of it with the fencing

5037
03:14:10,600 --> 03:14:13,600
etcetera but. Putting in a

5038
03:14:16,399 --> 03:14:17,340
foot trees. Is in no way going

5039
03:14:17,340 --> 03:14:21,234
to view from a house to a

5040
03:14:21,705 --> 03:14:22,472
industrial building. It will

5041
03:14:22,472 --> 03:14:25,472
take years before thao's trees

5042
03:14:26,877 --> 03:14:30,477
are going to block the view.

5043
03:14:33,250 --> 03:14:36,250
Have a 40 foot canopy. Adding

5044
03:14:37,120 --> 03:14:37,854
a 10 foot to an easement. It's

5045
03:14:37,854 --> 03:14:42,540
only going to create more of a

5046
03:14:42,726 --> 03:14:45,126
flooding problem. When you

5047
03:14:46,730 --> 03:14:49,566
ways raise up those that

5048
03:14:49,566 --> 03:14:50,266
water's got to go someplace.

5049
03:14:50,266 --> 03:14:53,866
We don't have a sewer system

5050
03:14:54,704 --> 03:14:58,304
out there. So any that are

5051
03:14:58,575 --> 03:14:59,709
created for the buffering

5052
03:14:59,709 --> 03:15:01,440
zones, I've got a force that

5053
03:15:01,440 --> 03:15:01,678
water out to the street area

5054
03:15:01,678 --> 03:15:02,379
because it's going to be

5055
03:15:02,379 --> 03:15:04,948
higher than the elevation of

5056
03:15:04,948 --> 03:15:06,948
street.

5057
03:15:12,550 --> 03:15:12,789
>> thank you comments.

5058
03:15:12,789 --> 03:15:16,389
>> okay so that poses out that

5059
03:15:16,460 --> 03:15:19,460
item, looking for what what

5060
03:15:20,509 --> 03:15:20,864
you want to do you want tackle

5061
03:15:20,864 --> 03:15:21,564
the next one you want break.

5062
03:15:21,564 --> 03:15:25,164
And come back tackle the next

5063
03:15:26,736 --> 03:15:30,336
one or what. Minutes back. We

5064
03:15:30,473 --> 03:15:31,141
okay with that.

5065
03:15:31,141 --> 03:15:31,808
>> and that we then we can

5066
03:15:31,808 --> 03:15:34,477
wrap it up and then what we

5067
03:15:34,477 --> 03:15:36,246
want it will and won't be

5068
03:15:36,246 --> 03:15:39,246
somebody has use the restroom.

5069
03:15:40,517 --> 03:15:41,218
>> right okay, so 10 minutes

5070
03:15:41,218 --> 03:15:44,818
all right so we'll come back

5071
03:15:59,702 --> 03:16:01,702
1237.

5072
03:16:02,272 --> 03:16:05,272
>> yes should have your better

5073
03:16:06,910 --> 03:16:08,910
you it just

5074
03:16:13,830 --> 03:16:13,983
it

5075
03:16:13,983 --> 03:16:14,952
>> I'm stacey low emergency

5076
03:16:14,952 --> 03:16:16,190
management coordinator for the

5077
03:16:16,190 --> 03:16:16,686
city of north port and I'm

5078
03:16:16,686 --> 03:16:19,356
going to tell you the

5079
03:16:19,356 --> 03:16:20,230
difference between flood zones

5080
03:16:20,230 --> 03:16:23,230
and evacuation zones are in

5081
03:16:23,359 --> 03:16:24,260
sarasota county. We call them

5082
03:16:24,260 --> 03:16:25,962
evacuation levels. So flood

5083
03:16:25,962 --> 03:16:26,662
zones are generated by fema

5084
03:16:26,662 --> 03:16:29,499
and they're used to determine

5085
03:16:29,499 --> 03:16:30,700
the likelihood that you'll

5086
03:16:30,700 --> 03:16:31,601
flood and they're used to

5087
03:16:31,601 --> 03:16:32,201
determine if you need flood

5088
03:16:32,201 --> 03:16:35,201
insurance if you have a

5089
03:16:35,638 --> 03:16:36,706
mortgage on your home. Now the

5090
03:16:36,706 --> 03:16:37,374
evacuation zones are based on

5091
03:16:37,374 --> 03:16:40,374
storm surge data that comes

5092
03:16:40,944 --> 03:16:42,646
from the national hurricane

5093
03:16:42,646 --> 03:16:43,212
center. And they use

5094
03:16:43,212 --> 03:16:43,880
topography as well as

5095
03:16:43,880 --> 03:16:45,880
hurricane vulnerability for

5096
03:16:46,616 --> 03:16:47,584
storm surge for the area and

5097
03:16:47,584 --> 03:16:49,886
we use those to determine who

5098
03:16:49,886 --> 03:16:50,553
needs to evacuate during a

5099
03:16:50,553 --> 03:16:51,554
storm so it's important to

5100
03:16:51,554 --> 03:16:53,290
understand that there is a

5101
03:16:53,290 --> 03:16:54,240
difference if you're

5102
03:16:54,240 --> 03:16:54,691
interested in finding out what

5103
03:16:54,691 --> 03:16:55,825
evacuation zone you are and

5104
03:16:55,825 --> 03:16:56,492
which we highly recommend you

5105
03:16:56,492 --> 03:16:59,963
do. You can use your search

5106
03:16:59,963 --> 03:17:01,898
engine of choice. And type

5107
03:17:01,898 --> 03:17:02,599
sarasota county know your

5108
03:17:02,599 --> 03:17:03,199
level and that will take you

5109
03:17:03,199 --> 03:17:05,599
to the sarasota county

5110
03:17:17,547 --> 03:17:19,547
government website.

5111
03:17:23,286 --> 03:17:24,154
>> water nurse. Well that's

5112
03:17:24,154 --> 03:17:26,554
kind of the my

5113
03:17:27,190 --> 03:17:30,190
>> your house is not flooding.

5114
03:17:31,761 --> 03:17:32,429
Within us after storm event.

5115
03:17:32,429 --> 03:17:33,960
>> water should be in that

5116
03:17:33,960 --> 03:17:33,429
swell to 72 hours after the

5117
03:17:33,429 --> 03:17:35,429
storm.

5118
03:17:37,466 --> 03:17:41,660
That allows the filter to get

5119
03:17:41,337 --> 03:17:42,705
the stuff came room and the

5120
03:17:42,705 --> 03:17:43,440
road out of the water so that

5121
03:17:43,440 --> 03:17:44,140
when reaches the habitat it no

5122
03:17:44,140 --> 03:17:46,540
longer has those contaminants

5123
03:17:48,744 --> 03:17:49,445
and also provides an

5124
03:17:49,445 --> 03:17:50,800
opportunity to slow down

5125
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:53,800
waters so that the water

5126
03:17:54,283 --> 03:17:54,617
doesn't go so fast that their

5127
03:17:54,617 --> 03:17:56,353
roads.

5128
03:17:56,353 --> 03:17:57,200
>> roadways any other

5129
03:17:57,200 --> 03:17:59,420
infrastructure, so when you

5130
03:18:00,556 --> 03:18:01,558
see water it's only you know

5131
03:18:01,558 --> 03:18:02,258
up to 72 hours since the last

5132
03:18:02,258 --> 03:18:05,858
rain that is letting is doing

5133
03:18:16,806 --> 03:18:18,806
its job.

5134
03:18:20,777 --> 03:18:22,312
>> mine in the van pull it

5135
03:18:22,312 --> 03:18:22,979
from product facility manager

5136
03:18:22,979 --> 03:18:23,646
with the city of north port

5137
03:18:23,646 --> 03:18:26,215
and today we're going to be

5138
03:18:26,215 --> 03:18:26,949
talking with you guys about

5139
03:18:26,949 --> 03:18:28,117
our free swim evaluation. It's

5140
03:18:28,117 --> 03:18:30,120
important that we do need from

5141
03:18:30,120 --> 03:18:31,487
a valuation so kids

5142
03:18:31,487 --> 03:18:32,188
registering for swim programs

5143
03:18:32,188 --> 03:18:34,900
they get placed in the right

5144
03:18:34,900 --> 03:18:35,124
class what we're looking at

5145
03:18:35,124 --> 03:18:37,930
doing something you ation is

5146
03:18:37,930 --> 03:18:38,494
every swim level has what's

5147
03:18:38,494 --> 03:18:39,996
called exit skill assessments.

5148
03:18:39,996 --> 03:18:40,663
So what we do is we have your

5149
03:18:40,663 --> 03:18:42,198
child get in the water and

5150
03:18:42,198 --> 03:18:43,600
will go through a series of

5151
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:44,466
different movements can eagle

5152
03:18:44,466 --> 03:18:46,236
into the water I can you show

5153
03:18:46,236 --> 03:18:48,370
us your phone call can you

5154
03:18:48,370 --> 03:18:49,720
show us back shows elementary

5155
03:18:49,720 --> 03:18:49,772
back different strokes within

5156
03:18:49,772 --> 03:18:52,108
and what we're doing is we're

5157
03:18:52,108 --> 03:18:52,775
trying to where your child

5158
03:18:52,775 --> 03:18:55,978
test to before it becomes a

5159
03:18:55,978 --> 03:18:56,946
challenge for at that point

5160
03:18:56,946 --> 03:18:57,714
once we assess that that will

5161
03:18:57,714 --> 03:18:58,414
let you know and you can go

5162
03:18:58,414 --> 03:19:00,616
ahead and sign your child up

5163
03:19:00,616 --> 03:19:02,686
for that appropriate level

5164
03:19:02,686 --> 03:19:03,720
there. It's important that we

5165
03:19:03,720 --> 03:19:04,888
have these so that way when

5166
03:19:04,888 --> 03:19:07,557
we're teaching a level one we

5167
03:19:07,557 --> 03:19:08,224
don't have kids that should

5168
03:19:08,224 --> 03:19:08,824
potentially a level 2 and a

5169
03:19:08,824 --> 03:19:10,626
level one class because

5170
03:19:10,626 --> 03:19:11,727
they're not learning the

5171
03:19:11,727 --> 03:19:13,696
appropriate skills that they

5172
03:19:13,696 --> 03:19:14,697
needed that point in time

5173
03:19:14,697 --> 03:19:15,998
right now when we're in full

5174
03:19:15,998 --> 03:19:18,634
summer we have some people

5175
03:19:18,634 --> 03:19:19,302
come between 8.10 deduce from

5176
03:19:19,302 --> 03:19:20,670
evaluation just as you can

5177
03:19:20,670 --> 03:19:21,236
hear the water splashing in

5178
03:19:21,236 --> 03:19:22,771
the background slide.

5179
03:19:22,771 --> 03:19:23,973
Everything like that, but any

5180
03:19:23,973 --> 03:19:25,942
day of the that open you can

5181
03:19:25,942 --> 03:19:27,577
come in at any point in time

5182
03:19:27,577 --> 03:19:28,711
enough for evaluations we

5183
03:19:28,711 --> 03:19:29,412
always have a certified so

5184
03:19:29,412 --> 03:19:30,120
much doctor on site that have

5185
03:19:30,120 --> 03:19:33,120
your child take a swim

5186
03:19:44,360 --> 03:19:46,360
assessment.

5187
03:19:52,234 --> 03:19:52,802
>> stacey la salle and the

5188
03:19:52,802 --> 03:19:53,436
emergency management

5189
03:19:53,436 --> 03:19:55,170
coordinator for the city

5190
03:19:55,170 --> 03:19:56,973
of north port and I'm going to

5191
03:19:56,973 --> 03:19:57,673
be talking about having an

5192
03:19:57,673 --> 03:19:59,700
evacuation plan it's a point

5193
03:19:59,700 --> 03:20:00,343
have an evacuation plan ahead

5194
03:20:00,343 --> 03:20:02,178
of time and it's very

5195
03:20:02,178 --> 03:20:05,178
important to write it down

5196
03:20:05,181 --> 03:20:05,915
because that way you have it

5197
03:20:05,915 --> 03:20:07,490
somewhere present everybody in

5198
03:20:07,490 --> 03:20:09,850
your family can see it and

5199
03:20:09,850 --> 03:20:09,985
keep it fresh in their minds

5200
03:20:09,985 --> 03:20:12,188
and you also share it with

5201
03:20:12,188 --> 03:20:12,855
people in your family or your

5202
03:20:12,855 --> 03:20:14,257
neighbors so that they know

5203
03:20:14,257 --> 03:20:15,910
what your plans are ahead of

5204
03:20:15,910 --> 03:20:17,360
time and how to get a hold of

5205
03:20:17,360 --> 03:20:19,162
your way to look for you after

5206
03:20:19,162 --> 03:20:20,630
a disaster for your evacuation

5207
03:20:20,630 --> 03:20:21,364
you should have multiple

5208
03:20:21,364 --> 03:20:24,364
routes to get to location.

5209
03:20:25,134 --> 03:20:27,690
You're planning to go to just

5210
03:20:27,690 --> 03:20:28,371
because traffic was traffic on

5211
03:20:28,371 --> 03:20:29,720
75 might be gridlocked there

5212
03:20:29,720 --> 03:20:31,173
could be some very good back

5213
03:20:31,173 --> 03:20:33,176
roads to get to where you're

5214
03:20:33,176 --> 03:20:35,770
going that could get you there

5215
03:20:35,770 --> 03:20:36,179
more quickly without stuck in

5216
03:20:36,179 --> 03:20:37,112
traffic when you're making

5217
03:20:37,112 --> 03:20:39,381
evacuation plan. We usually

5218
03:20:39,381 --> 03:20:41,183
tell you 4 different things

5219
03:20:41,183 --> 03:20:42,384
you should stay home if you

5220
03:20:42,384 --> 03:20:45,210
are not in his own that's

5221
03:20:45,210 --> 03:20:47,560
being evacuated and if your

5222
03:20:47,560 --> 03:20:49,858
home is built to withstand the

5223
03:20:49,858 --> 03:20:50,993
forecasted storm if you can

5224
03:20:50,993 --> 03:20:52,962
stay home. And you evacuate

5225
03:20:52,962 --> 03:20:54,363
your next option should be to

5226
03:20:54,363 --> 03:20:55,831
go to a friend or family home

5227
03:20:55,831 --> 03:20:56,466
that is outside of the

5228
03:20:56,466 --> 03:20:58,670
evacuation area and it is

5229
03:20:58,670 --> 03:20:58,768
structurally sound to us and

5230
03:20:58,768 --> 03:21:02,368
the storm option would be go

5231
03:21:04,106 --> 03:21:05,700
to a hotel. They're much more

5232
03:21:05,700 --> 03:21:05,641
comfortable than I've

5233
03:21:05,641 --> 03:21:06,342
accusation. Center's 4th

5234
03:21:06,342 --> 03:21:06,976
option would be to go to one

5235
03:21:06,976 --> 03:21:07,643
of our evacuation center

5236
03:21:07,643 --> 03:21:09,478
sarasota county has fallen

5237
03:21:09,478 --> 03:21:10,146
back away shuns center's.

5238
03:21:10,146 --> 03:21:13,746
Those can be found on their

5239
03:21:24,727 --> 03:21:26,727
website.

5240
03:21:29,565 --> 03:21:30,867
>> at the city of north port

5241
03:21:30,867 --> 03:21:31,767
we are here to

5242
03:21:31,767 --> 03:21:34,767
>> serve you. And there are

5243
03:21:35,971 --> 03:21:36,672
many ways to connect with us.

5244
03:21:36,672 --> 03:21:38,707
You will always find friendly

5245
03:21:38,707 --> 03:21:39,408
faces when you come to city

5246
03:21:39,408 --> 03:21:42,844
hall. You first walk in there

5247
03:21:42,844 --> 03:21:43,546
we'll see our customer care

5248
03:21:43,546 --> 03:21:43,979
center. The care center helps

5249
03:21:43,979 --> 03:21:44,847
customers to

5250
03:21:44,847 --> 03:21:45,547
call into the city to get

5251
03:21:45,547 --> 03:21:48,184
answers they need in a timely

5252
03:21:48,184 --> 03:21:48,884
fashion.

5253
03:21:48,884 --> 03:21:49,552
>> our care center has helped

5254
03:21:49,552 --> 03:21:51,552
more than 10,000 customers

5255
03:21:52,788 --> 03:21:54,560
last month alone. Next to the

5256
03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:54,957
call center.

5257
03:21:54,957 --> 03:21:57,357
You'll find a self-service

5258
03:21:58,260 --> 03:21:58,961
kiosk for code enforcement and

5259
03:21:58,961 --> 03:21:59,561
building divisions. Using the

5260
03:21:59,561 --> 03:22:00,496
qr code or by visiting

5261
03:22:00,496 --> 03:22:03,496
our website you can schedule

5262
03:22:03,833 --> 03:22:05,868
your appointments with ease.

5263
03:22:05,868 --> 03:22:06,602
>> have you checked out our

5264
03:22:06,602 --> 03:22:07,235
website from employment

5265
03:22:07,235 --> 03:22:07,937
opportunities to building

5266
03:22:07,937 --> 03:22:08,671
codes you can find just about

5267
03:22:08,671 --> 03:22:11,671
anything using the search bar.

5268
03:22:13,676 --> 03:22:14,243
Finally you can download the

5269
03:22:14,243 --> 03:22:15,211
north report app and

5270
03:22:15,211 --> 03:22:15,845
submit non-emergency issues to

5271
03:22:15,845 --> 03:22:18,147
city hall in less than a

5272
03:22:18,147 --> 03:22:19,140
minute. The app is help

5273
03:22:19,140 --> 03:22:21,140
correct more than 12,000

5274
03:22:22,484 --> 03:22:23,185
issues across the city. No

5275
03:22:23,185 --> 03:22:25,621
matter the method you choose

5276
03:22:25,621 --> 03:22:26,221
the city is here for you and

5277
03:22:26,221 --> 03:22:28,621
together we will build

5278
03:22:33,696 --> 03:22:35,696
stronger community.

5279
03:22:39,602 --> 03:22:41,537
>> why do we flood. During

5280
03:22:41,537 --> 03:22:42,137
significant rain events port

5281
03:22:42,137 --> 03:22:44,537
nearly always floods in

5282
03:22:45,374 --> 03:22:47,143
certain areas of the city.

5283
03:22:47,143 --> 03:22:47,910
This is thanks to the locally

5284
03:22:47,910 --> 03:22:48,577
named myakka hatchee creek

5285
03:22:48,577 --> 03:22:52,177
also known as the big slew

5286
03:22:53,916 --> 03:22:55,317
watershed.

5287
03:22:55,317 --> 03:22:56,510
>> the 195 square mile

5288
03:22:56,510 --> 03:22:58,451
drainage area flows through

5289
03:22:59,121 --> 03:23:00,890
desoto manatee and sarasota

5290
03:23:00,890 --> 03:23:03,890
counties then through our city

5291
03:23:03,625 --> 03:23:05,694
to exit at charlotte harbor.

5292
03:23:05,694 --> 03:23:06,395
As the city of north port is

5293
03:23:06,395 --> 03:23:08,797
located at the low end of the

5294
03:23:08,797 --> 03:23:10,699
big slew watershed drainage

5295
03:23:10,699 --> 03:23:11,701
system. The city's current

5296
03:23:11,701 --> 03:23:12,401
flooding and water quality

5297
03:23:12,401 --> 03:23:14,801
conditions are attributed not

5298
03:23:15,671 --> 03:23:18,507
only to the city's growth. But

5299
03:23:18,507 --> 03:23:19,174
also to upstream runoff in the

5300
03:23:19,174 --> 03:23:19,841
desoto manatee and sarasota

5301
03:23:19,841 --> 03:23:22,841
county portions of the big

5302
03:23:23,145 --> 03:23:25,545
slow. During significant rain

5303
03:23:28,150 --> 03:23:28,851
events ponding can also occur

5304
03:23:28,851 --> 03:23:29,952
ponding occurs and low-lying

5305
03:23:29,952 --> 03:23:32,352
areas that are characterized

5306
03:23:33,210 --> 03:23:34,990
by poorly drained or super

5307
03:23:34,990 --> 03:23:35,924
saturated soils with

5308
03:23:35,924 --> 03:23:36,559
back-to-back rainfall events

5309
03:23:36,559 --> 03:23:37,259
the ground is totally

5310
03:23:37,259 --> 03:23:39,659
saturated which increases the

5311
03:23:43,650 --> 03:23:44,967
runoff during a storm. The

5312
03:23:44,967 --> 03:23:45,601
city works hard to maintain

5313
03:23:45,601 --> 03:23:46,635
its stormwater conveyance

5314
03:23:46,635 --> 03:23:47,402
system which is comprised of

5315
03:23:47,402 --> 03:23:49,802
roadside swales draining into

5316
03:23:51,240 --> 03:23:53,509
79 miles of named waterways.

5317
03:23:53,509 --> 03:23:54,377
>> and 132 miles of retention

5318
03:23:54,377 --> 03:23:55,111
ditches that interconnect with

5319
03:23:55,111 --> 03:23:58,711
each other and with the myakka

5320
03:23:58,781 --> 03:24:00,582
hatchee creek. There are 64

5321
03:24:00,582 --> 03:24:02,982
water control structures of

5322
03:24:02,985 --> 03:24:05,385
which 23 are gated water

5323
03:24:06,121 --> 03:24:08,560
control structures 5 are gated

5324
03:24:08,560 --> 03:24:08,724
drop structures, 28 are fixed.

5325
03:24:08,724 --> 03:24:11,124
We're structures and 8 are

5326
03:24:13,595 --> 03:24:14,263
dropped structures. The

5327
03:24:14,263 --> 03:24:15,364
control elevations of these

5328
03:24:15,364 --> 03:24:16,999
structures are designed so

5329
03:24:16,999 --> 03:24:17,633
that water is retained in the

5330
03:24:17,633 --> 03:24:20,330
waterways and a step-down

5331
03:24:20,269 --> 03:24:20,969
elevation system

5332
03:24:20,969 --> 03:24:22,337
configuration.

5333
03:24:22,337 --> 03:24:24,140
>> this means the water levels

5334
03:24:24,140 --> 03:24:25,730
in the waterway segments

5335
03:24:25,730 --> 03:24:25,741
between structures

5336
03:24:25,741 --> 03:24:26,442
progressively decreases in

5337
03:24:26,442 --> 03:24:29,442
elevation from north to south

5338
03:24:29,978 --> 03:24:31,547
and from east to west. This

5339
03:24:31,547 --> 03:24:32,247
system configuration allows

5340
03:24:32,247 --> 03:24:34,216
both retention of storm water

5341
03:24:34,216 --> 03:24:34,849
runoff for water quality

5342
03:24:34,849 --> 03:24:37,249
treatment and storage for

5343
03:24:38,530 --> 03:24:39,200
potable water use in

5344
03:24:39,200 --> 03:24:39,721
preparation for a storm, the

5345
03:24:39,721 --> 03:24:43,321
gates are opened as needed to

5346
03:24:45,461 --> 03:24:47,461
convey flood waters.

5347
03:24:48,603 --> 03:24:48,709
>> the city has an ongoing

5348
03:24:48,709 --> 03:24:51,499
program to inspect and replace

5349
03:24:51,499 --> 03:24:53,168
old corroded structures since

5350
03:24:53,168 --> 03:24:55,568
2006 13 of the high priorities

5351
03:24:56,138 --> 03:24:57,139
structures have been replaced

5352
03:24:57,139 --> 03:24:59,207
or rehabilitated the city also

5353
03:24:59,207 --> 03:25:00,342
has a program to clear the

5354
03:25:00,342 --> 03:25:02,742
ditches of sediment deposits

5355
03:25:03,178 --> 03:25:03,879
that have accumulated over and

5356
03:25:03,879 --> 03:25:06,879
clear fallen chasing and then

5357
03:25:12,188 --> 03:25:14,188
my our back.

5358
03:25:17,259 --> 03:25:19,940
>> I after the last you know a

5359
03:25:19,940 --> 03:25:19,995
you can convey escape to thank

5360
03:25:19,995 --> 03:25:22,531
her her presentation and also

5361
03:25:22,531 --> 03:25:24,931
feel phone calls from.

5362
03:25:26,301 --> 03:25:27,350
Residents and they have

5363
03:25:27,350 --> 03:25:29,505
nothing but good things to say

5364
03:25:29,505 --> 03:25:31,106
about when they deal with and

5365
03:25:31,106 --> 03:25:31,707
it always makes them feel at

5366
03:25:31,707 --> 03:25:32,541
ease because she is so

5367
03:25:32,541 --> 03:25:35,541
knowledgeable and just the way

5368
03:25:36,545 --> 03:25:37,245
she comes across is very

5369
03:25:37,245 --> 03:25:40,845
positive so I just wanted to

5370
03:25:40,916 --> 03:25:41,216
if you can share that with

5371
03:25:41,216 --> 03:25:43,216
her.

5372
03:25:46,855 --> 03:25:49,255
>> started out to mention

5373
03:25:53,161 --> 03:25:53,762
>> we're moving to item c.

5374
03:25:53,762 --> 03:25:54,463
Discussion and possible

5375
03:25:54,463 --> 03:25:56,463
direction regarding suggested

5376
03:25:58,660 --> 03:26:00,469
agenda items for the 2020 for

5377
03:26:00,469 --> 03:26:01,103
a convocation of governments

5378
03:26:01,103 --> 03:26:03,638
based on the inter local

5379
03:26:03,638 --> 03:26:04,372
agreement school facility

5380
03:26:04,372 --> 03:26:07,372
planning. City manager this is

5381
03:26:08,343 --> 03:26:09,440
your item.

5382
03:26:09,440 --> 03:26:09,745
>> it is not a mere up first

5383
03:26:09,745 --> 03:26:13,820
of all apologize like this it

5384
03:26:13,820 --> 03:26:16,682
is item last year in board

5385
03:26:17,850 --> 03:26:19,485
review topics NOVEMBER 22nd.

5386
03:26:20,321 --> 03:26:23,910
This 8 of the publication is

5387
03:26:23,910 --> 03:26:23,792
still coming in JANUARY but we

5388
03:26:23,792 --> 03:26:24,492
missed to the station for the

5389
03:26:24,492 --> 03:26:26,194
so we reached out to them and

5390
03:26:26,194 --> 03:26:29,130
they said if we were give some

5391
03:26:29,130 --> 03:26:29,798
direction by the end business

5392
03:26:29,798 --> 03:26:32,200
today. That we find that we

5393
03:26:32,200 --> 03:26:35,104
spoke with staff that doesn't

5394
03:26:35,104 --> 03:26:38,704
have any new wooden items or

5395
03:26:38,707 --> 03:26:39,708
their but we can update on 2

5396
03:26:39,708 --> 03:26:40,275
of the items which is which

5397
03:26:40,275 --> 03:26:42,675
are important to us.

5398
03:26:45,446 --> 03:26:49,460
Wait the traffic light that we

5399
03:26:51,253 --> 03:26:52,387
are installing. Port high with

5400
03:26:52,387 --> 03:26:53,210
you the board voted on and

5401
03:26:53,210 --> 03:26:55,421
gave approval that we're

5402
03:26:56,424 --> 03:26:57,225
moving forward believe that

5403
03:26:57,225 --> 03:26:58,600
the schedule of that traffic

5404
03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:00,929
light will be during the

5405
03:27:00,929 --> 03:27:01,630
offseason of this upcoming

5406
03:27:01,630 --> 03:27:02,531
school year. You MAY remember

5407
03:27:02,531 --> 03:27:05,660
that we asked the school to

5408
03:27:05,660 --> 03:27:05,934
participate in the funding of

5409
03:27:05,934 --> 03:27:06,668
the item but they were unable

5410
03:27:06,668 --> 03:27:10,605
to commit to doing so time say

5411
03:27:10,605 --> 03:27:14,205
we will move forward. Yeah, I

5412
03:27:14,543 --> 03:27:16,812
we're going school board issue

5413
03:27:16,812 --> 03:27:17,512
up the. Technical college in

5414
03:27:17,512 --> 03:27:20,512
there exhilaration of for the

5415
03:27:22,510 --> 03:27:22,718
year expanded. A's expanding

5416
03:27:22,718 --> 03:27:25,987
next phase of the our team

5417
03:27:25,987 --> 03:27:28,987
that they're working with not

5418
03:27:29,691 --> 03:27:31,492
only news school

5419
03:27:31,492 --> 03:27:32,194
superintendent but as well as

5420
03:27:32,194 --> 03:27:32,794
doctor below leadership over

5421
03:27:32,794 --> 03:27:35,330
at the college you MAY

5422
03:27:35,330 --> 03:27:36,300
remember that we win it myself

5423
03:27:36,300 --> 03:27:36,731
in the mirror, but the school

5424
03:27:36,731 --> 03:27:39,731
board got their blessing few

5425
03:27:41,690 --> 03:27:42,704
months ago as well. So post

5426
03:27:42,704 --> 03:27:43,438
that blessing with the school

5427
03:27:43,438 --> 03:27:46,141
board we have been working any

5428
03:27:46,141 --> 03:27:46,875
mask arenas it working in

5429
03:27:46,875 --> 03:27:49,275
developing contacts within the

5430
03:27:50,778 --> 03:27:51,512
business community to further

5431
03:27:51,512 --> 03:27:52,147
and get their support for

5432
03:27:52,147 --> 03:27:53,882
upcoming expansion of the

5433
03:27:53,882 --> 03:27:56,282
college which would mean

5434
03:27:58,387 --> 03:27:59,121
better more training or. The

5435
03:27:59,121 --> 03:28:01,521
health care professionals that

5436
03:28:01,990 --> 03:28:02,891
we need for upcoming hospitals

5437
03:28:02,891 --> 03:28:03,591
as well as different

5438
03:28:03,591 --> 03:28:05,991
programming that will benefit

5439
03:28:07,395 --> 03:28:08,960
the city of north port. As we

5440
03:28:08,960 --> 03:28:11,696
continue on that some of the

5441
03:28:12,167 --> 03:28:12,767
school board members have been

5442
03:28:12,767 --> 03:28:14,767
successful unhelpful in

5443
03:28:15,137 --> 03:28:16,404
lobbying for some of the

5444
03:28:16,404 --> 03:28:17,720
funding gap between that

5445
03:28:17,720 --> 03:28:18,907
project what is needed the

5446
03:28:18,907 --> 03:28:21,577
total of that project. It's

5447
03:28:21,577 --> 03:28:23,345
22 million dollars school

5448
03:28:23,345 --> 03:28:24,179
board. We had funding in the

5449
03:28:24,179 --> 03:28:26,579
out years 18 million dollars

5450
03:28:28,316 --> 03:28:28,950
even if they decide to look

5451
03:28:28,950 --> 03:28:30,485
all 18 million which that

5452
03:28:30,485 --> 03:28:32,788
asked to say the least it was

5453
03:28:32,788 --> 03:28:35,490
still be appointing at so

5454
03:28:35,490 --> 03:28:36,257
working with them not only for

5455
03:28:36,257 --> 03:28:36,959
the programming to be decide

5456
03:28:36,959 --> 03:28:40,559
the poem that the funding and

5457
03:28:41,430 --> 03:28:42,363
how it will be. Salt as well

5458
03:28:42,363 --> 03:28:45,363
as the program hospital as

5459
03:28:45,801 --> 03:28:46,501
well so I'm sure I will we

5460
03:28:46,501 --> 03:28:47,168
know when the update on that

5461
03:28:47,168 --> 03:28:50,168
at this school board that's

5462
03:28:51,906 --> 03:28:52,607
that's a multi into multiple

5463
03:28:52,607 --> 03:28:56,770
effort and we're just a part

5464
03:28:56,770 --> 03:28:56,811
of that but we are. And as you

5465
03:28:56,811 --> 03:28:58,679
raise those issues up and get

5466
03:28:58,679 --> 03:29:02,879
to that project the we will be

5467
03:29:03,184 --> 03:29:03,852
soliciting our partners in

5468
03:29:03,852 --> 03:29:04,486
state leadership roles that

5469
03:29:04,486 --> 03:29:07,486
will allow for funding to

5470
03:29:11,125 --> 03:29:12,994
occur as so time just like

5471
03:29:12,994 --> 03:29:13,595
ward in this city contributed

5472
03:29:13,595 --> 03:29:14,296
to building of the shed

5473
03:29:14,296 --> 03:29:16,696
installed library over there

5474
03:29:18,566 --> 03:29:20,602
or the sec. I'm going we

5475
03:29:20,602 --> 03:29:21,302
contributed to that there will

5476
03:29:21,302 --> 03:29:21,970
be a petition asking the city

5477
03:29:21,970 --> 03:29:25,570
some point in time to help

5478
03:29:27,410 --> 03:29:28,777
with the when doubt. I said

5479
03:29:28,777 --> 03:29:29,777
all that say we don't have to

5480
03:29:29,777 --> 03:29:30,411
have any new item to the list

5481
03:29:30,411 --> 03:29:32,380
this board item that they

5482
03:29:32,380 --> 03:29:33,348
would like us to consider and

5483
03:29:33,348 --> 03:29:36,348
discuss anything to do. He

5484
03:29:37,552 --> 03:29:38,252
would have to discussed been

5485
03:29:38,252 --> 03:29:41,456
there and then bring back to

5486
03:29:41,456 --> 03:29:42,190
you before we vote because

5487
03:29:42,190 --> 03:29:42,924
they have to be submitted

5488
03:29:42,924 --> 03:29:45,924
after the business after today

5489
03:29:47,828 --> 03:29:49,231
of the business.

5490
03:29:49,231 --> 03:29:49,931
>> okay so again this clarify

5491
03:29:49,931 --> 03:29:54,131
we are going to bring up the

5492
03:29:54,369 --> 03:29:55,690
traffic light.

5493
03:29:55,690 --> 03:29:55,770
>> I will be with the traffic

5494
03:29:55,770 --> 03:29:56,337
light during our conversation

5495
03:29:56,337 --> 03:29:59,337
because it will be an

5496
03:29:59,975 --> 03:30:03,110
opportunity to do so. But we

5497
03:30:03,110 --> 03:30:03,745
do have any new items to to

5498
03:30:03,745 --> 03:30:06,745
the occasional estes or direct

5499
03:30:07,482 --> 03:30:08,216
other okay.

5500
03:30:08,216 --> 03:30:09,917
>> also think that's important

5501
03:30:09,917 --> 03:30:11,719
because I again I am a lot of

5502
03:30:11,719 --> 03:30:14,119
people don't realize that

5503
03:30:17,192 --> 03:30:17,859
traffic concerns or hat our.

5504
03:30:17,859 --> 03:30:18,526
The responsibility of that

5505
03:30:18,526 --> 03:30:20,926
municipality that and they

5506
03:30:21,562 --> 03:30:22,263
assume that the school board

5507
03:30:22,263 --> 03:30:25,263
was paid for crossing guards

5508
03:30:27,568 --> 03:30:29,304
and all that, but they do it.

5509
03:30:29,304 --> 03:30:30,400
>> so was moore's was still

5510
03:30:30,400 --> 03:30:33,400
specifically the fact that if

5511
03:30:34,976 --> 03:30:37,976
we get the traffic and

5512
03:30:38,813 --> 03:30:40,813
something happened happened

5513
03:30:41,160 --> 03:30:42,417
subsequent that I didn't want

5514
03:30:42,417 --> 03:30:43,840
the school board say we did in

5515
03:30:43,840 --> 03:30:43,785
what the potential is there

5516
03:30:43,785 --> 03:30:44,519
any way and not be supporting

5517
03:30:44,519 --> 03:30:47,455
us sure is that they supported

5518
03:30:47,455 --> 03:30:48,155
us in the effort of the

5519
03:30:48,155 --> 03:30:51,559
traffic light. Can mid to for

5520
03:30:51,559 --> 03:30:52,260
this

5521
03:30:52,260 --> 03:30:55,260
>> all right I have anything

5522
03:30:58,366 --> 03:30:59,670
from. My fellow commissioners.

5523
03:30:59,670 --> 03:31:01,467
Commissioner mcdowell yeah, I

5524
03:31:03,771 --> 03:31:04,438
just want this letter dated

5525
03:31:04,438 --> 03:31:06,838
the 20 seconds was already

5526
03:31:06,874 --> 03:31:07,542
sent to them are you sending

5527
03:31:07,542 --> 03:31:11,142
it tonight at the close of

5528
03:31:12,279 --> 03:31:13,281
business. Letter dated the 20

5529
03:31:13,281 --> 03:31:14,548
seconds I don't know there's a

5530
03:31:14,548 --> 03:31:17,548
letter in the back material

5531
03:31:18,860 --> 03:31:18,719
support from the city of port

5532
03:31:18,719 --> 03:31:19,654
and stated the 22nd, I'm

5533
03:31:19,654 --> 03:31:22,857
asking if it was sent or are

5534
03:31:22,857 --> 03:31:23,557
you sending at the end of

5535
03:31:23,557 --> 03:31:26,557
business today. That was last

5536
03:31:28,863 --> 03:31:29,430
letter is already sewing me.

5537
03:31:29,430 --> 03:31:33,300
Is it too late to add

5538
03:31:34,680 --> 03:31:34,735
something. In addition

5539
03:31:34,735 --> 03:31:37,735
everything I just yes, yes,

5540
03:31:39,173 --> 03:31:39,874
sir.

5541
03:31:39,874 --> 03:31:40,575
>> it is that it is the will

5542
03:31:40,575 --> 03:31:41,909
of his board to add something

5543
03:31:41,909 --> 03:31:45,913
we will add it to the only

5544
03:31:45,913 --> 03:31:46,647
thing that we have discussed

5545
03:31:46,647 --> 03:31:47,381
without getting any direction

5546
03:31:47,381 --> 03:31:50,381
from border are the same 2

5547
03:31:51,486 --> 03:31:52,186
item that I you can't.

5548
03:31:52,186 --> 03:31:52,887
>> the reason why I'm asking

5549
03:31:52,887 --> 03:31:57,870
is because we do only get to

5550
03:31:57,358 --> 03:31:58,793
meet with the school board 1,

5551
03:31:58,793 --> 03:31:59,460
2, year. And I I have heard

5552
03:31:59,460 --> 03:32:02,460
from many parents about the

5553
03:32:03,732 --> 03:32:05,299
concerns about safety at

5554
03:32:05,299 --> 03:32:05,967
school. From the fights in the

5555
03:32:05,967 --> 03:32:08,367
hallways, the never ending

5556
03:32:12,140 --> 03:32:12,841
fights in the bathrooms. And

5557
03:32:12,841 --> 03:32:15,443
this is ongoing problem, it's

5558
03:32:15,443 --> 03:32:16,410
not isolated incident and I

5559
03:32:16,410 --> 03:32:19,280
know that it's cool and

5560
03:32:19,280 --> 03:32:21,148
everybody seems to fight in

5561
03:32:21,148 --> 03:32:23,170
school. I remember being in

5562
03:32:23,170 --> 03:32:25,186
high school myself that this

5563
03:32:25,186 --> 03:32:25,920
is now moving entry school and

5564
03:32:25,920 --> 03:32:30,120
even going down and and in the

5565
03:32:30,257 --> 03:32:30,991
middle school. And I think

5566
03:32:30,991 --> 03:32:33,561
maybe a conversation on school

5567
03:32:33,561 --> 03:32:35,830
safety will be paramount. And

5568
03:32:35,830 --> 03:32:38,632
to find out what they're doing

5569
03:32:38,632 --> 03:32:39,234
to help the students in

5570
03:32:39,234 --> 03:32:41,234
addressing these safety

5571
03:32:41,969 --> 03:32:43,738
concerns with the fighting and

5572
03:32:43,738 --> 03:32:44,439
the inability for many

5573
03:32:44,439 --> 03:32:45,720
students to even go into the

5574
03:32:45,720 --> 03:32:47,472
bathroom because it's so

5575
03:32:49,143 --> 03:32:49,810
unsafe. The only thing that I

5576
03:32:49,810 --> 03:32:50,511
wanted to bring up because

5577
03:32:50,511 --> 03:32:54,140
this is our only chance to do

5578
03:32:54,140 --> 03:32:58,214
so. Ok do what we think about

5579
03:33:02,223 --> 03:33:02,890
that. Much to

5580
03:33:02,890 --> 03:33:06,490
>> to add that is item for

5581
03:33:08,462 --> 03:33:09,129
discussion.

5582
03:33:09,129 --> 03:33:11,529
>> this is quite difficult

5583
03:33:12,633 --> 03:33:15,330
because we can't really

5584
03:33:15,135 --> 03:33:15,803
oversee those items bn school

5585
03:33:15,803 --> 03:33:16,504
board resource officers up

5586
03:33:16,504 --> 03:33:20,700
there we can find out if they

5587
03:33:20,700 --> 03:33:21,141
planned on doing anything but

5588
03:33:21,141 --> 03:33:21,810
I'm just asking is it more of

5589
03:33:21,810 --> 03:33:24,810
a conversation that have on

5590
03:33:27,140 --> 03:33:28,115
here. Monthly meeting city

5591
03:33:28,115 --> 03:33:28,750
manager that you have with the

5592
03:33:28,750 --> 03:33:29,484
mayor and stuff like that

5593
03:33:29,484 --> 03:33:32,484
going forward because that's a

5594
03:33:33,321 --> 03:33:35,721
meeting every single month.

5595
03:33:36,624 --> 03:33:37,291
>> commissioner so what I say

5596
03:33:37,291 --> 03:33:40,891
it says we don't know what

5597
03:33:41,128 --> 03:33:41,762
items they are going to

5598
03:33:41,762 --> 03:33:42,496
discuss it, I'm happy to

5599
03:33:42,496 --> 03:33:45,900
respond back to them know that

5600
03:33:45,900 --> 03:33:47,735
the updates on the 2 items

5601
03:33:47,735 --> 03:33:48,302
will be coming forward and

5602
03:33:48,302 --> 03:33:48,936
then introduce those

5603
03:33:48,936 --> 03:33:49,637
conversations that you're

5604
03:33:49,637 --> 03:33:53,237
having right now get the get

5605
03:33:54,174 --> 03:33:55,750
into. During the meetings

5606
03:33:55,750 --> 03:33:55,776
we've all attended then there

5607
03:33:55,776 --> 03:33:57,144
is always an opportunity and

5608
03:33:57,144 --> 03:33:59,544
an encouragement from the

5609
03:33:59,981 --> 03:34:03,351
school board for us too speak

5610
03:34:03,351 --> 03:34:04,850
about what's important to us.

5611
03:34:04,850 --> 03:34:04,785
I don't believe that that item

5612
03:34:04,785 --> 03:34:07,221
is something that's going to

5613
03:34:07,221 --> 03:34:07,889
be so unique that there

5614
03:34:07,889 --> 03:34:08,689
wouldn't be the opportunity

5615
03:34:08,689 --> 03:34:09,390
for discussion and

5616
03:34:09,390 --> 03:34:11,790
conversation for security of

5617
03:34:12,593 --> 03:34:13,294
our students in our schools.

5618
03:34:13,294 --> 03:34:14,280
>> yeah, I'm just curious on

5619
03:34:14,280 --> 03:34:16,197
what would be the proper place

5620
03:34:16,197 --> 03:34:17,631
a proper time to discuss that

5621
03:34:17,631 --> 03:34:20,735
to where we could have a lake.

5622
03:34:20,735 --> 03:34:23,135
Commissioner mcdowell says it

5623
03:34:23,971 --> 03:34:24,671
is going to be a longer

5624
03:34:24,671 --> 03:34:25,273
conversation when it comes to

5625
03:34:25,273 --> 03:34:27,673
our children and what's

5626
03:34:29,100 --> 03:34:29,710
actually going on. Within

5627
03:34:29,710 --> 03:34:30,344
those school boards and what

5628
03:34:30,344 --> 03:34:31,979
the resource officers are

5629
03:34:31,979 --> 03:34:32,680
doing what the school still on

5630
03:34:32,680 --> 03:34:34,315
that you know that and I know

5631
03:34:34,315 --> 03:34:36,715
there's timelines on this

5632
03:34:37,851 --> 03:34:38,486
upcoming meeting so.

5633
03:34:38,486 --> 03:34:39,720
>> I would think that the

5634
03:34:39,720 --> 03:34:40,388
complication would be the

5635
03:34:40,388 --> 03:34:41,550
direct the best audience to

5636
03:34:41,550 --> 03:34:43,257
have that conversation and

5637
03:34:43,257 --> 03:34:46,857
then we follow up sort of

5638
03:34:49,931 --> 03:34:52,331
routinely about the progress

5639
03:34:53,901 --> 03:34:54,601
or their plans in council

5640
03:34:54,601 --> 03:34:55,870
government meetings and that

5641
03:34:55,870 --> 03:34:57,104
would be my suggestion even

5642
03:34:57,104 --> 03:34:57,805
get ball rolling and then

5643
03:34:57,805 --> 03:34:58,472
continuing that's that's what

5644
03:34:58,472 --> 03:35:02,376
I was sort of us over that.

5645
03:35:02,376 --> 03:35:04,376
>> vice mayor.

5646
03:35:06,346 --> 03:35:07,480
>> yeah I can get that can

5647
03:35:07,480 --> 03:35:11,180
more put up at the meeting I

5648
03:35:11,180 --> 03:35:12,620
don't know that we need this.

5649
03:35:12,620 --> 03:35:16,220
This is time sensitive get out

5650
03:35:17,791 --> 03:35:19,627
today. I can't imagine that.

5651
03:35:19,627 --> 03:35:20,327
this it's such important

5652
03:35:20,327 --> 03:35:21,280
subject that I can feel it's

5653
03:35:21,280 --> 03:35:21,728
not going to come up in some

5654
03:35:21,728 --> 03:35:24,310
way shape or form anyway. And

5655
03:35:24,310 --> 03:35:28,231
if it doesn't any of to bring

5656
03:35:29,870 --> 03:35:30,671
it up. It's opportunity speak

5657
03:35:30,671 --> 03:35:31,305
>> you're saying that it's too

5658
03:35:31,305 --> 03:35:33,607
late to add that set the

5659
03:35:33,607 --> 03:35:37,207
agenda item way. But we can

5660
03:35:37,378 --> 03:35:37,711
just bring it up we were

5661
03:35:37,711 --> 03:35:38,545
there.

5662
03:35:38,545 --> 03:35:40,945
>> additionally you are asking

5663
03:35:42,583 --> 03:35:43,483
bay. It's a topics as a board

5664
03:35:43,483 --> 03:35:44,217
and you decide on all of those

5665
03:35:44,217 --> 03:35:47,220
topics and then that letter is

5666
03:35:47,220 --> 03:35:47,954
set to school board and they

5667
03:35:47,954 --> 03:35:52,154
are where they have that is in

5668
03:35:52,192 --> 03:35:53,627
the put it on there divide it

5669
03:35:53,627 --> 03:35:54,361
was what I'm saying is this

5670
03:35:54,361 --> 03:35:57,698
year since we got the ball and

5671
03:35:57,698 --> 03:35:59,633
we've missed that deadline.

5672
03:35:59,633 --> 03:36:00,501
They're still asking us and

5673
03:36:00,501 --> 03:36:03,501
allowed us to submit that

5674
03:36:04,400 --> 03:36:05,305
thought that, but I would

5675
03:36:05,305 --> 03:36:07,574
careful too and anything new

5676
03:36:07,574 --> 03:36:09,176
when I talked to today because

5677
03:36:09,176 --> 03:36:12,112
you with the board did not

5678
03:36:12,112 --> 03:36:13,247
officially upon it an official

5679
03:36:13,247 --> 03:36:13,948
about to go back in a big too

5680
03:36:13,948 --> 03:36:14,615
I love that you have are for

5681
03:36:14,615 --> 03:36:15,883
you see in the book I think

5682
03:36:15,883 --> 03:36:18,520
that would be fine if I would

5683
03:36:18,520 --> 03:36:20,520
say something like the topic

5684
03:36:20,520 --> 03:36:24,191
did not come in the agenda and

5685
03:36:24,191 --> 03:36:24,891
I said to them and said think

5686
03:36:24,891 --> 03:36:25,792
MADAM Chair roads there chair

5687
03:36:25,792 --> 03:36:29,392
right now were able to submit

5688
03:36:30,530 --> 03:36:31,465
the topic of school safety is

5689
03:36:31,465 --> 03:36:33,400
important court. I would like

5690
03:36:33,400 --> 03:36:34,902
to put it on the record now

5691
03:36:34,902 --> 03:36:35,636
that we have conversation that

5692
03:36:35,636 --> 03:36:39,236
we think that is the important

5693
03:36:39,573 --> 03:36:40,707
item top of it. He bore in our

5694
03:36:40,707 --> 03:36:41,409
peers were not ready to

5695
03:36:41,409 --> 03:36:43,644
discuss it at this time of a

5696
03:36:43,644 --> 03:36:44,344
follow up through the school

5697
03:36:44,344 --> 03:36:45,450
superintendent and their

5698
03:36:45,450 --> 03:36:47,450
border representative during

5699
03:36:50,250 --> 03:36:51,652
the cop meetings think

5700
03:36:51,652 --> 03:36:52,353
>> appreciate commissioner

5701
03:36:52,353 --> 03:36:53,870
mcdowell bring that up it is

5702
03:36:53,870 --> 03:36:55,322
it is a concern and I think it

5703
03:36:55,322 --> 03:36:57,825
needs to be out there. So that

5704
03:36:57,825 --> 03:37:01,425
are aware of this eye made

5705
03:37:02,395 --> 03:37:02,796
aware of this for quite some

5706
03:37:02,796 --> 03:37:04,796
time with.

5707
03:37:05,232 --> 03:37:05,866
>> school board adopted their

5708
03:37:05,866 --> 03:37:07,866
police resource officers

5709
03:37:10,971 --> 03:37:11,705
anymore I I think that we just

5710
03:37:11,705 --> 03:37:12,406
need to make our concerns now

5711
03:37:12,406 --> 03:37:14,574
now no one has anything to do

5712
03:37:14,574 --> 03:37:17,811
with the other but it's also

5713
03:37:17,811 --> 03:37:19,460
on an unfortunate. Byproduct

5714
03:37:19,460 --> 03:37:22,460
of what's going on. In

5715
03:37:26,353 --> 03:37:27,870
general. Out there so I really

5716
03:37:27,870 --> 03:37:27,788
would like to have brought up,

5717
03:37:27,788 --> 03:37:29,423
however you think that should

5718
03:37:29,423 --> 03:37:33,230
be dot thank you, MADAM Aaron

5719
03:37:33,293 --> 03:37:36,293
is the point of reference.

5720
03:37:36,329 --> 03:37:37,298
>> when we started doing as we

5721
03:37:37,298 --> 03:37:37,998
continue to do our own state

5722
03:37:37,998 --> 03:37:40,867
the measures in this building

5723
03:37:40,867 --> 03:37:41,568
in other city buildings. We

5724
03:37:41,568 --> 03:37:45,168
look at what the schools were

5725
03:37:47,141 --> 03:37:47,841
doing an example how to begin

5726
03:37:47,841 --> 03:37:49,510
our processes and I know that

5727
03:37:49,510 --> 03:37:52,245
based on the climate of

5728
03:37:52,245 --> 03:37:53,279
country the county in the

5729
03:37:53,279 --> 03:37:56,279
state. They are always for

5730
03:37:56,650 --> 03:37:57,317
ways processes so working lots

5731
03:37:57,317 --> 03:38:00,917
I think he could be helpful

5732
03:38:01,822 --> 03:38:03,230
for us all.

5733
03:38:03,230 --> 03:38:04,157
>> commissioner dow the only

5734
03:38:04,157 --> 03:38:07,757
reason I was hoping that this

5735
03:38:08,128 --> 03:38:08,862
might be an agenda item at at

5736
03:38:08,862 --> 03:38:10,862
convocation government meeting

5737
03:38:12,866 --> 03:38:14,901
JANUARY with the school board.

5738
03:38:14,901 --> 03:38:17,204
Was because many have brought

5739
03:38:17,204 --> 03:38:20,804
this to my attention and this

5740
03:38:22,409 --> 03:38:23,510
isn't open. Meeting where is

5741
03:38:23,510 --> 03:38:24,678
cobb meetings that are held

5742
03:38:24,678 --> 03:38:26,746
monthly are pretty much closed

5743
03:38:26,746 --> 03:38:27,413
meetings and citizens can't

5744
03:38:27,413 --> 03:38:30,413
hear the results and what's

5745
03:38:31,150 --> 03:38:31,885
what steps are taking place. I

5746
03:38:31,885 --> 03:38:33,720
really think this conversation

5747
03:38:33,720 --> 03:38:36,723
needs to be had. And hopefully

5748
03:38:36,723 --> 03:38:38,191
we can get some some concrete

5749
03:38:38,191 --> 03:38:40,591
information that the parents

5750
03:38:43,330 --> 03:38:44,130
can take a little bit of. Hope

5751
03:38:44,130 --> 03:38:44,798
that things are being

5752
03:38:44,798 --> 03:38:47,198
addressed instead of being

5753
03:38:50,237 --> 03:38:51,471
swept under rug because this

5754
03:38:51,471 --> 03:38:53,807
involving almost daily and

5755
03:38:53,807 --> 03:38:54,708
it's going on the bus is now 2

5756
03:38:54,708 --> 03:38:55,375
and it's happening at the bus

5757
03:38:55,375 --> 03:38:59,790
stops. I get a lot of phone

5758
03:38:59,790 --> 03:39:01,482
calls on this so. Hopefully we

5759
03:39:01,482 --> 03:39:02,182
can have a bigger conversation

5760
03:39:02,182 --> 03:39:05,182
at this JANUARY meeting with

5761
03:39:06,853 --> 03:39:07,554
the school

5762
03:39:07,554 --> 03:39:08,722
>> yes, and I would encourage

5763
03:39:08,722 --> 03:39:09,723
parents to contact the school

5764
03:39:09,723 --> 03:39:11,959
board and their voice known at

5765
03:39:11,959 --> 03:39:16,159
those at those just tell it is

5766
03:39:21,969 --> 03:39:22,770
a concern all right. Okay. And

5767
03:39:22,770 --> 03:39:26,370
my board is clear here any

5768
03:39:28,175 --> 03:39:28,842
public comment all right. All

5769
03:39:28,842 --> 03:39:32,442
right so I think that's it

5770
03:39:35,148 --> 03:39:38,170
we're which all right do I

5771
03:39:38,170 --> 03:39:38,719
before. All right so it is

5772
03:39:38,719 --> 03:39:41,119
1251 in this workshop session