1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:16,960 Yeah, >> that was that was the downfall. 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:22,240 Otherwise, it was an awesome weekend. >> You had to quit early at Brent. 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:28,039 » Yes. Yeah, that's what we're visiting about. It's the raining stand 4 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,119 out. 5 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:59,000 It's going to go over a 6 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:41,280 Okay. Call the meeting to order. Ellie, you want to take roll call, please? 7 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,479 » Dave >> here. 8 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,439 » Brian >> here. 9 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,640 » Lori >> here. 10 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,640 » Denny >> here. 11 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:55,520 » Moving of the agenda. We have a motion to approve the agenda 12 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:00,799 as presented. >> Go ahead. So move second it. 13 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:03,119 » All those in favor signify with I. >> I. 14 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:07,600 » I. >> Motion carries insurance update. Adam 15 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,039 right. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've got a quote right in 16 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,440 front of you. Uh rates went down again this year. 17 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:20,080 » Highlight all the important spots to look at. It's double-sided. So page one 18 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:25,599 is a front page. Page two is right behind that. Page three it showed the 19 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:32,959 decrease of 4.69%. Main reason why is page four 20 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:40,560 the overall base rating and risk level were lower. The base rating this year.3% 21 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:45,680 it was down from 4% in 2025. That's the size of the pool of each plan 22 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:50,319 or the pool size of each plan risk level. uh the expected medical claims 23 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:55,519 from the risk for that group is what that's categor categorized as that's 24 00:02:52,879 --> 00:03:00,640 down 7.41%. That was a big factor in the total 25 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:06,200 decrease of 4.69. New premium for a family is 1,96169 26 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:18,000 is down from last year 2058. Uh it's $924.92 for a single down from 9 27 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:23,519 $970.38 in 2025. We have one single contract and 28 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:28,879 six family contracts. Overall new premium starting in October 29 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:36,400 $12,695. Uh last year that total premium 30 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:43,440 this year till the renewal was 13,31940. But it's about a $7,500 year service for 31 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:48,319 all exact same plan. Um, as I do all the time, I ran a ACA quote. We were to 32 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:53,760 move, got to go to a portable care act group plan quote. Um, the closest I 33 00:03:51,680 --> 00:04:01,360 could get is a high deductible silver plan. The deductible would be 6,250 for 34 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:07,920 a single contract and 12,500 for a family. Uh right now it's 2,000 single, 35 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:12,560 4,000 for a family. So it's a heck of a lot higher 36 00:04:09,519 --> 00:04:16,639 deductibles um and out of pocket maxes and it costs more. That premium is 37 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:20,639 $13,2360. It's not in there. I have the quote here 38 00:04:18,239 --> 00:04:27,840 though if you would like to see it. Uh it's essentially about $4,000 more for a 39 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:33,120 worse benefit coverage claim. I would say continue on with the same 40 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:36,639 one, renewing October one. Delta Dental, again, I didn't print off 41 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,720 all all that. I have a copy here if anybody wants to see it. The dental 42 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:46,560 insurance, uh, that's pretty much stayed exactly the same. Rates went up just a 43 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:52,240 little bit for adults 21 years and older. Children just a little bit, which 44 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:56,240 are 0 to 20. Last year's premium was 664.58. 45 00:04:53,919 --> 00:05:01,360 This year it's 669.40. So, that's almost identical. The extra 46 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,639 benefits, which is the life, accidental death, and dismemberment, short-term 47 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:10,280 disability rates, that all stayed the same. Those don't change. They're 48 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,280 guaranteed to 2029. 49 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:20,560 » Questions? Sure. Adam on insurance. >> I had one question and it's not nec 50 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:26,400 necessarily anything to do with our plan, but why 51 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:29,840 » why is dental insurance why doesn't it pay very much 52 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:34,960 » uh through an appointment? >> You know what I mean? Because you you 53 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:38,960 can have a a root canal and it'll cost you $1,500 54 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:44,000 over and above what the insurance will pay. What I mean, you pay premiums for 55 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,720 it, but Right. What's the What's the deal with dental insurance? 56 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:50,800 » Employer plans are typically a lot better. Typically, the out or the 57 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,880 benefit amount they'll pay back per year is anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000. A lot 58 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:59,680 of my clients I work with on the individual basis when they're on 59 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:04,720 Medicare, um, dental insurance is not very good. The benefit max will pay back 60 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:10,160 in a year is $1,000. So, a typical plan I'll see right now on Medicare, it's 61 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:14,240 like $40 a month. 40 time 12, you're 480 in just to have the premium. 62 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:18,560 uh you get two teeth cleanings a year which is covered. Um you know you can 63 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,680 check with your local dentist office to see what it costs to have your two 64 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,919 cleanings that a year but typically it's less than that premium. 65 00:06:23,919 --> 00:06:29,520 So then if you get root canals, cavities, anything else, you got a $100 66 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:35,280 deductible you got to meet. So now you're 480 plus 100. You're 580 in just 67 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:39,520 to get $1,000 back. About nine out of 10 of my clients don't buy the dental 68 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:46,639 insurance on Medicare. Uh, I compare that to my wife's plan at at her school 69 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:51,680 district. Um, hers is a $2,000 benefit and the school pays for hers. So, she's 70 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:56,080 on it and it didn't matter if we had one child or all of us. We all got on the 71 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,560 same plan. Uh, she pays just a little extra for hers. That's why I used to 72 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:03,520 never have my own dental insurance until we were able to jump on our employer. 73 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:08,000 So, it's it's pretty uncommon to see it on an individual basis. typically when 74 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:12,720 it's when it's allocated towards an employer plan, the benefit maxes are 75 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,240 quite a bit better. >> But a lot of the time too, they look at 76 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,639 that, they don't want people not having dental insurance and then uh I got a 77 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:24,479 root canal coming up and so I'm going to go buy it. Even if you tried to buy it, 78 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,919 then there's a waiting period. Typically, it's about 12 months, but 79 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,680 they want you to pay that premium for a while before you start getting any kind 80 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,960 of benefits. But the benefits aren't the greatest when you're buying it on an 81 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:39,120 individual. I just curious what your thoughts were. 82 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:43,840 I I've had dental insurance for a long 83 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:49,520 time, but now my wife carries it and it doesn't pay any better now than it did 84 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:54,280 when I carried it. Okay, any other questions for Adam? 85 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Very good. Thank you very much. It's nice to see a rate go down instead of up 86 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,840 years in a row. Yeah. 87 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:12,720 Okay, department reports. Uh, Ethan. >> Yeah. Uh, sorry I was busy last week, so 88 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,800 I didn't get around to typing one up like I usually do. Uh, couple things 89 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:24,319 that I wanted to go over with you guys. Uh, I did get the, uh, first of the two 90 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:29,360 traffic studies done from the sheriff's office. 91 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:32,640 Um, I plan on asking them hopefully within the next couple of weeks to set 92 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:38,080 that up again so we can compare what the traffic was like over the summer as 93 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:44,480 opposed to once school starts. Um I was shocked uh just in that one week period 94 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:50,959 and that was between se or sorry August 9th and August 15th 95 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:57,600 um just in that 300 block of West by the church there was 2,250 vehicles that 96 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,880 passed through during just that time. Uh so it was already a little more traffic 97 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,920 than what I considered in the first place. Um so I'll be interested to see 98 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,000 what that looks like now that school started. What was that number again, 99 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:15,279 Ethan? >> 2,250 vehicles. And that u that accounts 100 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:20,959 for uh vehicles coming at the uh device and also going away from it. And 101 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:25,040 it combines those in there. Um it was a it was a several page report. Um but it 102 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:30,000 was just to kind of give you an idea of what it shows. Um it gave like 103 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:36,080 percentages of how many people were above the posted speed limit, how many 104 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:40,640 were below it, uh what the average speed was. Uh the average speed during that 105 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:44,080 week was actually uh just over 20 miles an hour. Uh so the average speed of the 106 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:50,959 vehicles was actually below the posted speed limit of 25. 107 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:56,240 Uh 36% of those vehicles were actually violating the speed limit. Uh but the 108 00:09:53,519 --> 00:10:00,640 average violating speed was less than five miles per hour over the posted 109 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:07,360 speed limit. Uh so overall it's pretty good. The one outlier uh was a like 54 110 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:10,560 miles per hour. Um I did check the time stamp on that to see if we had any 111 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:15,200 medical calls or anything to see if it was an uh emergency vehicle. I didn't 112 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,360 see anything. So either somebody really had to go to the bathroom bad. I don't 113 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:22,560 know what was going on. But um but it does give a pretty good idea of when 114 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,320 those high levels of traffic are. Uh so I'll be interested to see what this next 115 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:30,959 one is and then maybe give us a better idea we need to adjust uh any kind of 116 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:36,640 stop signs or anything at those intersections like we discussed. 117 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Um the other thing I'm getting lots of people um either online or in person or 118 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:51,200 uh third third party uh lots of complaints and questions about ebikes 119 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:58,160 and ecooters. Um that's kind of a hot topic right now. Um it's a buzzword so a 120 00:10:56,079 --> 00:11:01,440 lot of people are talking about it. Uh I'm a little bit torn on it. I think 121 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:05,040 it's fantastic that we have something that's actually getting kids out and 122 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:12,240 about and not just sitting inside the house um you know on their phones or on 123 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:16,959 video games. However, uh these are powered machines that go a little bit 124 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:22,079 faster than if they were just you know a kick scooter pedaling their bikes. Um so 125 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:26,320 there is a little bit of a safety concern. Uh people are asking if they're 126 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:30,399 going to do anything about that. Uh I've talked to Tony. I've been watching 127 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:34,079 myself when I see a group of them out to see if they're actually stopping at the 128 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:38,160 stop signs. Um, I've been talking with the schools uh to let them know like, 129 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:40,880 hey, these are the expectations. Just because you don't have a driver's 130 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:46,000 license or not driving a car doesn't mean you can't be cited uh for these 131 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:50,160 kind of things. Uh, for the most part, we haven't had any issues. I believe it 132 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:55,200 was just last week or the week before we had a kid run into the back of a car on 133 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:59,120 his bike. Um, that was because he was on his phone. We found out later some 134 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:03,200 neighbors saw him playing on his boat. So, not necessarily an ebike thing, but 135 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:07,040 he happened to be on an ebike probably doing about close to 20 m an hour, I 136 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:13,440 would imagine, and ran into the back of this lady's car. So, um I've told you 137 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:17,519 guys before in reports that the state uh that uh they had that house study bill, 138 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:22,560 it ended up dying. So, they're still considered just like any other bicycle 139 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:26,959 or scooter. Um, as far as the state is concerned, they're allowed anywhere that 140 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:30,240 a bike can go. Uh, what some places are doing is they left it up to the 141 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:34,320 municipalities to draft their own ordinances that just restrict that a 142 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,440 little bit. Um, with all the complaints and stuff I've been looking at, I think 143 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:40,880 it's probably not a bad idea to look into that, see what other places are 144 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:44,240 doing. Um, if that's something where maybe we restrict certain roads that 145 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:49,839 these are allowed on, maybe certain times of the day. Um, because there is 146 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:53,519 there is concerns within the public. Um, and I do agree that there there can be 147 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:57,279 some safety concerns with that, too, because these kids are going a lot 148 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:02,320 faster than if they were just on a normal biker scooter. 149 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Um, so just something for you guys to consider. Um, I can also, Emily and I 150 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:12,000 can probably look into what other places are doing to see if we can adopt or 151 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,519 draft something um that's working in other towns. 152 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:22,320 Uh, the other thing, I've talked with Emily about this. Uh, I noticed we have 153 00:13:18,079 --> 00:13:25,519 a lot more golf carts and UTVs traveling around town, especially with gas prices 154 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:30,959 going up. That seems to be the preferred method for a lot of people. Um, I've 155 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:36,160 noticed when I'm doing my school patrols with people bringing their kids to 156 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:41,200 school on these, I saw somebody holding their one-year-old on their left knee 157 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:44,880 while going down the street in the golf cart. 158 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:50,560 I looked it up. There actually is no state code that specifically talks about 159 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:56,240 restraint systems in a golf cart or a UTV. It just talks about when and where 160 00:13:52,480 --> 00:14:02,800 they can be driven. It's up to the local government to decide that. Um, with it 161 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:06,639 becoming more and more prevalent, I I would rather not see a kid get hurt on a 162 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,360 golf cart or something like that. So, that's something else we're going to 163 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,920 look into. We did get a response on that and it seemed a little vague. Um, uh, 164 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:17,440 but that's also something I'm going to look into because we are seeing that 165 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:23,040 more and more and I just I really hate to see a kid or kids get get hurt 166 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,680 because, you know, they're just kind of dangling off of a golf cart or something 167 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,320 like that. >> Ethan, can kids can't drive ATVs, can 168 00:14:29,839 --> 00:14:32,720 they? >> No. So, 169 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:37,360 » but they can golf carts. >> No. So, the way this the way the state 170 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:42,240 code if they're going to be on the road, they have to be uh licensed and they 171 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:46,480 have to be 18. So, you can't it's not even just being 16 and having a license 172 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,480 the way the state code is written on that. If they're in their own yards or 173 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:53,600 private whatever and they can do whatever, but if they're going to be on 174 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,839 the roadways like everybody else, and that is for four-wheelers, golf carts, 175 00:14:55,279 --> 00:15:04,560 all that, um they have to be licensed and they have to be at least 18 176 00:15:01,199 --> 00:15:10,560 » at that point. Some of those will go for like ebikes, the ones that look like 177 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:15,440 little dirt bikes. Well, they really do 45 miles an hour. So, there there's a 178 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:20,800 there's a whole size differential in with with all of 179 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:24,399 those. My kid thought he was he he ordered something he told me was an 180 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:28,800 ebike and I unboxed it when he was gone and it was a dirt bike and it said right 181 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,800 on there off-road use only. And I was like, well, I'm sorry, buddy. They're 182 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:38,399 not going to it. It's just too powerful. They have to be they're considered an 183 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:43,839 ebike the the tier of an ebike has to be like 184 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:47,279 under 750 watts I believe before but when it's just recognized as just a 185 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:51,600 normal bicycle. When it gets past that and it's more powerful it can achieve 186 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,880 those bigger speeds that's when it's no longer considered just a a bike and 187 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000 that's when you're going to start looking into restrictions on where it 188 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:02,639 can be ridden, who can actually drive it, stuff like that. When I was riding 189 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:07,519 dirt bikes, you had two different things. One of them had to have brake 190 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:13,519 lights, headlights, all kind mufflers, all kinds of stuff. 191 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:17,440 The dirt bike for off the road, it was just a big motor. And 192 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,680 » yeah, for the off-road stuff, not really. But 193 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:25,360 » but I see those on the sidewalks. >> Yeah. 194 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:32,240 » You know, and that's not right. And I know my kids in Texas, they the 195 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:35,279 neighborhoods are just alive with them. And some of them are thousands of 196 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:39,440 dollars because there's some really wealthy 197 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:44,399 people out there. And they're running old ladies down and everything else, you 198 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:48,079 know. So that's not that's not kosher. >> So yeah, and those those would not 199 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:52,399 qualify under what the state recognizes as a bicycle at that point. It would be 200 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:54,800 like a a motorized bike at that point. So, 201 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:57,839 » and then it would have to have stop lights and stuff or probably not if it's 202 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,160 an off-road. >> I was going to say if it's it would have 203 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:06,319 to um it would have to have all the equipment that you would need to ride um 204 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:10,480 on the road just like anything else at that point is my understanding. But a 205 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,039 lot a lot of what I've been Oh, sorry. Go ahead. 206 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:17,039 » Golf carts never have any of that stuff. >> And even if they do, a lot of golf carts 207 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:21,039 that you can buy now, you can get them with turning signals, lights, all that 208 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,000 stuff. But the way the state code is written, you still can't operate though, 209 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:28,319 even if they have the equipment to do so. They're not supposed to be operated 210 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,799 uh when the sun's not up. >> Oh, sure. 211 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,960 » Y >> when you said golf carts licensed, is it 212 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,480 the cart that's licensed or the person that needs to be 213 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:43,640 » the person operating it has to have a bad license? It has to be at least 18 214 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,640 years old. 215 00:17:43,679 --> 00:17:51,200 » Uh we discovered that too because we had some kids riding uh four-wheelers to 216 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,480 school last year um that were I mean they had their license. They just didn't 217 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,919 realize they assumed since they had their full license that they could do 218 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:03,840 that. I looked into it and know you actually have 18 to 219 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:05,840 » and those ATV vehicles have to be licensed 220 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:09,240 » and those have to be registered and licensed through. 221 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:16,559 » Thank you. Any questions for Ethan other than that? 222 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:20,880 » Uh Emily, did we get anything from Dan and 223 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:25,039 Chad? >> Dad's on vacation this week and Dan's on 224 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,640 vacation. >> Okay. 225 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:33,840 Andy's the lone man out there right now. >> What about you? 226 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:38,640 » Um, I just have that Wednesday, October 7th, Vision Bank is going to have a 227 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:44,080 customer appreciation day from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. and they want to block 228 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:50,559 off the street um to the east like they do. And I told them that shouldn't be a 229 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:55,440 problem. I would let Dan know to get them road close signs. 230 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:01,080 What day did you say it was? >> Uh, Wednesday, October 7th from 11 to 2. 231 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:11,440 And um, our 2013 fire truck has been sold. 232 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:17,200 Um, actually sold it for more than we paid for it in 2013. 233 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:22,799 And Rick is in Minnesota picking up the new fire truck today. 234 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:26,640 » I saw him out. people out various people up looking at that truck. So the new one 235 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,799 must be done. >> Yeah. Um 236 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:34,080 » going to Georgia, right? >> Going to Georgia. 237 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,679 » Yeah. And they said the next time we have a truck that's ready to be sold, 238 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:45,039 just contact them directly because they would be interested. So 239 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:48,919 that's all I got. >> Ellie, do you have anything? 240 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:58,840 Uh the consent agenda, does anything need to be added or removed from the 241 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,840 consent agenda? 242 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:07,440 » I'm just going to ask apparently they did a change order that decreased the 243 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:13,600 price of something at >> on the Yeah. Um there we got a discount 244 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:18,320 on the playground equipment. >> Oh, sure. 245 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:23,360 » So they did a change order for that. The development agreement with Casey's 246 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Brian, does that include the street going further? 247 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:32,240 » It does. It goes all the way to the end of well where u 248 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:36,080 » East Veterans >> Greg's property 249 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:40,400 » really lives >> clear to the end because initially it 250 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:44,320 they were going to stop it at the end of their property and I said, "No, no, no. 251 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:48,880 We're not going to do that. It has to go all the way to the end because that's 252 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:54,640 not fair to to Greg or whoever would happen to live 253 00:20:52,159 --> 00:21:00,080 in that house on the north side of the street. Plus, it gives us if that ever 254 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:05,600 develops out there, it gives us a place to take off from. So, and they weren't I 255 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:08,960 think it was a matter of u 256 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,360 a different person >> in charge of it 257 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:16,480 » in charge of it and they didn't understand what we were requesting 258 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:21,840 there. So, yeah, it does. It goes all the way to the end. And so, they'll 259 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:27,600 they'll probably be in touch with you at some point, Greg, when they get ready to 260 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,280 do that and uh figure out where you want your driveway entrance and how you want 261 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,840 that approach and >> Well, they're going to put a new 262 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:38,640 driveway for >> just the entrance. 263 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,640 » But it'd be nice, wouldn't it? >> Yeah. 264 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:45,520 » So, is that project moving along? Not the not just the road, but I mean the 265 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,840 whole project. >> Do we know anything more about that? 266 00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:55,440 » From everything I understand, they're going to start construction in May, 267 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,440 May of next year. >> So, 268 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:03,600 » but that could change just like last time. Of 269 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:10,000 » course, we've been hearing that for seven years. 270 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:15,840 Is there contingency in the paperwork that says 271 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:20,480 when you won't be on the thing for 272 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:27,840 contributing to that road if they don't cons start or sometime there's something 273 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:33,200 I read in there like that rightly >> well I'm not aware of that 274 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,799 » okay but I you know we haven't looked at it for years so 275 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:45,280 I thought it said something about >> Did you are you saying if they started 276 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,280 it in they don't start it in May that we would be on the 277 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:56,400 » or if we put this agreed to put the street in 278 00:22:51,200 --> 00:23:00,320 uh and make payments on that then they have to move forward with building the 279 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,320 station >> in non-war terms. 280 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,799 I don't know. I don't know where I read that. But 281 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:13,600 » I bet they don't won't do that road until after they've started the store. 282 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:18,640 » That'd be good cuz they'll have to do all their 283 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:22,960 » streetes and have all their equipment going in to do that. So, I would think 284 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:28,000 the store would come first and then the road. 285 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:32,159 » Anything about the I remember they used to want to have it for semis to fill up 286 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:35,360 and stuff. They're not planning. >> They caught that, didn't they? 287 00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:37,280 » They are going to keep the diesel pumps, but not 288 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:43,400 » they're not planning on >> not planning on large approach for 289 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,400 semir. 290 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,360 » Any other questions on that? >> No, sir. 291 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:55,200 » So, do we have a motion to approve the consent agenda? We have to have a motion 292 00:23:53,600 --> 00:24:02,400 for that. >> I second it. 293 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:08,640 » All those in favor signify with an I. I. Motion carries. 294 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,440 Uh Rebecca, >> how are you guys? Good. 295 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:17,440 » Good. Yourself? >> Pretty good. Um I wanted to talk about 296 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:22,000 chickens. I know it's a sore topic in this town, but I'm not looking to poke 297 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:28,000 anybody. Um, I have examples of how 298 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,960 and in a clean way we could have chickens 299 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:38,799 without um neighbors getting involved and being mad 300 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:46,480 at each other and stuff. Um, so my examples are pretty much like what you 301 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:52,799 could fill out, what the rules would be. Um, I got signatures from a whole bunch 302 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:58,000 of people, but also in order to have chickens, I would also go around to 303 00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:02,960 every single neighbor of mine and make sure that the person who wants chickens, 304 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:09,440 all their neighbors agree that it's okay for them to have chickens. Obviously, no 305 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:15,400 roosters or anything like that. Um, I have examples here if you want to read 306 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,400 them. 307 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:25,919 And if it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass. It's fine. 308 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:33,400 But um I just thought it would be nice to just have the option for like a 309 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:33,400 limited amount of pens. 310 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:48,400 » A question about neighbors. >> Yeah. Let's say my neighbor 311 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:56,080 uh let's see how would I put that 312 00:25:51,679 --> 00:26:04,880 neighbor Agrees to chickens for neighbor B and then neighbor A moves to De Moine. 313 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:11,200 Somebody else moves in there. Neighbor B has a $5,000 investment in 314 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:15,600 fence, chicken coupe, inspections, all that stuff. 315 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:23,840 all of a sudden then then the new neighbor a 316 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:28,080 force you out of business >> out of business. 317 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:35,039 » Well, out of the chickens. So, in other words, it's never static 318 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:41,279 anymore for very long. Some people do live here forever like me, but 319 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:47,919 where my kids live down in De Moine, you know, the the tail in the neighborhood 320 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:54,720 is never static. You stay there for 3 years and move on to some other place. 321 00:26:52,240 --> 00:27:01,919 So, I I don't know how you would address that since you put out five, six, seven, 322 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:07,279 $8,000 for fences and all that inspections and coups and all that kind 323 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:15,039 of stuff. Because the kind of coups that I see that actually in these 324 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:21,600 townships that allow it are not the kind of coups that they showed us a picture 325 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:31,279 of. You know, it's Mhm. >> And and I look at building permits all 326 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:32,640 the time and a shed anymore is 10 grand, you know. 327 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,960 » Yeah. >> So 328 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:40,720 5,000 won't even, you know, it cost me 5,000 to build my garage. You can't buy 329 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,279 a shed for that now. >> Well, 330 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:49,200 » how do you handle that? >> We kind of made our own. Like we went to 331 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:54,080 Menards and got all the uh supplies to do it. We just put it together and it's 332 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,720 a lot cheaper that way. >> I get that. Not everybody can do that. 333 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,640 » I know >> I can. 334 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:06,559 It's 5% of the people that can build their own stuff. And then 335 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:13,520 when we spent nine months on this before, we saw all kinds of examples and 336 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:18,240 like in even in bigger cities they allow it in 337 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:24,640 certain areas and it's where 338 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:33,679 typically people are further apart and um 339 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:37,760 but it allowed like 200 lb of waste, 340 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:43,279 you know, whatever the chickens produce for them to eat. 341 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:49,200 » Uh, so what I've always done whenever I had chickens was 342 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:53,840 I used hay as their bedding, right? And then before winter, I spread it all 343 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,360 throughout my lawn. And by that time, it's all dry and it doesn't smell like 344 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:02,240 anything. And um then over the winter it breaks 345 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,039 down and then it's like healthy for my lawn. 346 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,039 Um >> I worked in an aven environment when I 347 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:14,559 was in high school >> and it never doesn't stink. 348 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:18,000 » It was a turkey it was a turkey place. Same thing. 349 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:21,840 » Well, if you don't air out your uh poop well enough, then it doesn't it's going 350 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,799 to build up stink. It's just the moisture. 351 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:30,960 » It has a lot of ammonia in it. >> Huh? Chicken poop has a lot of ammonia, 352 00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:35,039 which is very >> Rebecca, can I ask a question? Do you 353 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,760 currently have chickens? >> Yeah. 354 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120 » So, you know you're in violation of city code? 355 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:44,080 » I am. >> Okay. And 356 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,320 do you know how it was reported to us that you had chickens? 357 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:55,520 » Oh, >> because you were disposing of your your 358 00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:59,120 chicken manure on city property. No, I wasn't. 359 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:02,240 » Well, somewhere along the way, we have pictures of that. 360 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,039 » Where? >> In the library. 361 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,360 » On the library. >> Library back. 362 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:16,640 » Our guys mowing had pictures of it. That's the only reason that 363 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:23,039 » back there by chickens. I don't know >> because I always keep on my property. 364 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:28,399 So, so my point with this is that when we went through this before, there were 365 00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:35,279 people that had chickens in town and then it became an issue where the 366 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:40,240 neighbors didn't want the chickens right there. They offered to help move and the 367 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:46,080 person that had the chickens said, "No, I'm not going to do that." And so then 368 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:55,240 there was a complaint filed with this this body, the co the council, and we 369 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:55,240 had to do something about it. And so 370 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:03,600 » and this law has been on the books. >> It's kind of like if if I guess I I can 371 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:09,520 drive 80 miles an hour in a 55 mph speed zone till I get caught, but when I get 372 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:16,919 caught, then it's then I have to pay the price. And I'm not I don't know if 373 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,919 that's equating that to the same, but 374 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:25,120 um there's probably as I mean if if we wanted to we could probably go out and 375 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:32,559 get as many signatures of people that don't want chickens in town. 376 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:38,880 And um so we we have to find a happy medium here and our happy medium is to 377 00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:43,919 to just not allow it. I guess at this point now I 378 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:49,440 I've spoke my piece. If somebody else has an opinion, please talk. I 379 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:53,840 » No, I I agree. I mean, I I appreciate this, but 380 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:59,600 » we saw a lot of this when we talked about it before, and I guess I don't see 381 00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:06,240 any new information, and we do have we already had the ordinance on the books 382 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:16,080 of no livestock in town. So I I guess I'm not inclined to without any new, 383 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:18,399 you know, ideas to to approve. 384 00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:22,440 » Yeah. >> Moving forward with that. 385 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:34,399 » I I'm totally against it. Um, we have ordinances 386 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:41,519 against animals in town and uh I mean if you can have your 387 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:47,360 chicken, why can't I have my horse? My horse is a 2,000lb horse. 388 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:52,320 I have several of them. I'm going to upset somebody. 389 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:57,600 Um, I am a firm believer in no animals in 390 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:03,480 town. And were I to have my way, there wouldn't be 391 00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:03,480 dogs or cats either, 392 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,919 » because I just don't believe they belong in town. 393 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,640 But we're we appreciate the fact that you've come 394 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,279 » Yeah. >> forward and ask. Um but if if you have 395 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,880 chickens now, you need to get rid of them. 396 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:27,039 » Yeah. >> So, um 397 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:30,039 unless anybody else has any other questions. 398 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,159 » Okay. >> Okay. 399 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,159 » Thank you. Mhm. 400 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:51,120 » Uh moving moving forward with uh the uh I didn't get anything from Marber's as 401 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:57,279 to what only thing I can say that might be 402 00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:02,240 pertinent to her report would be that both the workforce tax credit grants 403 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:12,320 were approved. Oh, good. >> Um, so above the fitness center is where 404 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:17,760 Zack Mloud has that. That's He's going to put apartments up there. 405 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:21,839 » I thought the gas tank was an issue. The >> No, no, no. That was for 406 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,679 » That's for Yeah. >> And 407 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:26,639 » that was like federal funding. >> It was from USDA. 408 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:34,000 » Oh, okay. >> That's what they were seeking. 409 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:36,639 Uh, and the other one was uh Abby, 410 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,560 right? >> Yeah. 411 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:45,200 » Abby Gilroy. >> Gilroy for Couldn't think of her last 412 00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:54,200 name. Sorry. Um, her workforce uh tax credits were approved for uh down at 413 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:54,200 back behind your place at the 414 00:34:54,879 --> 00:35:01,599 » Johnson property. Mind I'm losing words here tonight. 415 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,119 So, uh I know that she's scheduled a meeting with uh some of the neighbors 416 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:11,200 » tomorrow >> tomorrow evening 417 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:16,880 uh talk about some of their concerns and then I believe she's going to offer a 418 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:21,920 community meeting on sometime in October so that she can talk about the whole 419 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,920 process. 420 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,280 Um Dave, do you have any 421 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,560 » no >> comments 422 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:35,839 » or anything else? >> I had one comment and it was about the 423 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:43,920 garbage rates and it's not about the necessarily the rates but um we have at 424 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,839 our end of town the garbage man is the guy from Huxley I believe 425 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:54,560 » guys. Huh? >> Garbage guys. garbage guys and they 426 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:59,520 evidently have raised their rates and I have 427 00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:04,880 um automatic pay out of the bank. Well, now I'm like three months behind on what 428 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,839 they raised it because I I was never notified. 429 00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:13,440 » Oh, we get emails >> and so I was just wondering if if I if 430 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:20,480 anybody else had gotten >> we we do have garbage guys and we get 431 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:24,240 emails from them. uh and that whether it's you know they're 432 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:29,440 not going to pick up a certain day but also the rates 433 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:35,599 uh have been so I don't know >> I must just be on the I must not have 434 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:41,119 got given them my email because I'm like two months behind or 50 435 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:47,200 cents that whatever they raised at 50 cents a month I'm a couple of months 436 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:51,359 behind so I thought the bank when you have an automatic 437 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,520 payment it automatically would they take out that new amount but 438 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,760 » I don't know if they didn't do that or what because I 439 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:05,280 » now it's instead of whatever the rate is I'm a dollar behind and I don't I know 440 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:09,680 that's not a big deal except that >> I 441 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,960 think we have auto pay too and I don't think we have that 442 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:18,560 » I brought mine up and showed it to Emily and I thought well maybe I'm reading 443 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:23,599 this wrong because I Anyway, I'll contact them and make sure I get on 444 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:27,280 their email. Lori, 445 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:32,560 » uh, a couple things. Uh, I did have a complaint from a citizen about some junk 446 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:37,040 in the yards of a couple places that have been there quite a while. And I 447 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:41,920 don't know if Ethan, you want to talk to them, but there's down on Division 448 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:48,079 Street West. They're both on west division further 449 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:53,760 closer to the um school. So there's a stove that's been sitting in the one 450 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:58,400 yard on the on the south side and there's um 451 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:03,680 » a mattress and box springs on that corner right by the funeral home on the 452 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:09,359 this anyway >> house wasn't big. So they had to go in 453 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,480 and there was a rid of a big So they the sheriff's office showed up and tore 454 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,119 everything out of the house >> and put it on the curb and then he just 455 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:21,440 kind of took what he could take with him. Um I assumed when they brought that 456 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:26,640 rolloff out because somebody bought all that from Jason Taylor and they're 457 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:29,520 redoing those units. So I assumed when they had that roll off that they were 458 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:33,440 going to start throwing that stuff in there. 459 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,240 But I can try to find a contact for them. I don't have anything right now. 460 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,880 » Yeah, >> I don't know about the across the 461 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:41,760 street. The stove. I >> I don't know about the stove, but I know 462 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,520 that one though that was >> okay 463 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:46,400 » cuz the sheriff's office ripped everything out of it and went it to the 464 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,280 curb. The guy wasn't >> They making that into four units instead 465 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,520 of two. >> I'm not sure what they're doing. Um 466 00:38:51,440 --> 00:39:00,480 » something told me that. I don't not somebody, but just looking at it. 467 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:07,760 And then we had another construction meeting today and uh I mean things are 468 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:15,119 moving along but maybe not fast enough. And so um tenfold and 469 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:21,520 be both um really impressed that it was critical 470 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:26,880 that they get the infield. uh this uh Iowa athletic field are the ones that 471 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:34,000 are doing the infields and to get in there in the next next two weeks to to 472 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:40,400 get in and do demo and put the new in so that we make sure that we can get that 473 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:47,480 seating and saw it in uh before it's too late uh in in the year. Um trying to 474 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,480 think 475 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:54,800 um should I mention about those trees at this point? 476 00:39:51,760 --> 00:40:02,160 » Um just for information. >> So 477 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:09,680 on the east side of the whole property uh the there's a property that is owned 478 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:13,839 by somebody but it's in the care of the bank right now. And there's some dead 479 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:18,320 trees, dead ash trees. There's three dead ash trees on there. And the concern 480 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,800 is, I mean, it would be really nice to be able to 481 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:28,800 get those down before our fencing goes in in case they 482 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:34,400 would fall over cuz they're they're dead dead. Um, and so they were supposed to 483 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:39,440 give us a because it's supposedly cheaper just to 484 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:44,560 knock them down and cut them up than uh later, you know, have a tree service 485 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:49,920 come in and take the whole thing out. Um, 486 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,680 so she sent they sent Emily the cost. What' you say 36? 487 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:59,599 » I think it was 3750. >> Yeah. the current person in the pro at 488 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:05,520 the property probably would not be able to afford to to do that. So, just 489 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:13,119 throwing that out for consideration. I know we can't decide that today, but um 490 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:17,359 whether the city wants to to do that with our cost just to 491 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,640 safeguard our potential our our future fence there 492 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:27,119 because Steve said, you know, down the road it might cost you more to repair 493 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:32,400 the fence than it would be to take the trees down now. But Emily thinks that 494 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:37,119 maybe our normal guy might be able to take this even cheaper even than that 495 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:42,520 that amount. So that's something to think about. 496 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,520 » Attach it to the taxes. 497 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,040 » You probably could 498 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:52,160 » and let them pay for it over a period of time. 499 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,760 I >> but with the stuff that we have for 500 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:04,560 insurance, you're probably right. It it it cost us more to 501 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:09,119 » I think the property is in foreclosure process though. So 502 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:14,760 I that'll go back on somebody else's. 503 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,760 Yeah. 504 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:24,319 » Well, anyway, there's throw that out there. Um they are 505 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:30,319 uh let's see they'll we'll they'll be asking us for 50% down payment on the 506 00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:33,319 playground equipment here pretty soon. Um 507 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:42,160 and let's see otherwise they still need to get 508 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:47,119 connected with Brandon. They have not had that meeting yet. And uh but they 509 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:52,400 hope to get the concrete in this fall. We have taken everything out of the two 510 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:57,280 sheds. So, the one will be demolished. It's ready for that. And they took down 511 00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:04,800 that big tree that was kind of back behind the uh the concession stand. Um 512 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:10,560 the other shed is pretty much empty and that'll be moved over to by the 513 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:15,040 community garden. Um we've done everything. I don't think we 514 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:21,440 are other than those trees. there's nothing more that is on our plate to do 515 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:26,000 at this point. But um so I think they're just going to try to keep pushing uh 516 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:31,680 these guys to make sure that in the next two weeks some significant stuff is done 517 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:39,400 um by by our next we have another meeting in two weeks. So 518 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,400 anybody have any questions on that? 519 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:48,640 Okay. Uh and then I just have a question. you know, the house that burnt 520 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:54,880 over I don't know what street that is. And I thought the insurance 521 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:59,520 company said that had they had so much and it wasn't that long of a time period 522 00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:06,800 to demolish that house, but it's still standing. So, what was status? Well, 523 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:13,839 I was in I just sent the message off to the insurance company asking when's the 524 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:18,240 plan because it's almost been a year. And um they were they have somebody 525 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:21,839 that's going to take it down, but they have to remove the asbestous. 526 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,480 So, they're going to have to do asbestous removal before they tear it 527 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:31,040 down. But and then the last thing was is they want they wanted to know if it was 528 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:37,520 okay if they um do this edging and then put a fence 529 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:41,760 around it. And I said and I told them no, it needs to be back filled and 530 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:46,160 seated cuz they're not rebuilding a home there. Otherwise, there's probably going 531 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:50,400 to be this hole there for >> the homeowners asked that question. No, 532 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:55,119 the insurance company because it wasn't in their bid 533 00:44:52,319 --> 00:45:02,400 » to backfill and seed. And I said, but there's not a home going back up. So, 534 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:06,640 » I feel like for the city, it needs to be backfilled and 535 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:12,160 » seated because who knows when another home may ever be buil built there. You 536 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:16,240 know, I don't know. I know that the Rorels aren't building a new home there. 537 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,040 So >> give us x number of dollars. 538 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:28,079 » Yeah, they the insurance company has given us I think the it's like 26,000. 539 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:32,880 » Um and that will um if they don't get it done then we can use those funds to tear 540 00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:37,520 it down, but they they told me they're in the process. So 541 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:41,280 » I I will call them again. >> Yeah. I mean been a while. 542 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,440 » Yeah. Um, 543 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:49,920 and Orels say they didn't hire anybody to tear it down, but the insurance 544 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:54,319 company says, "Well, they did. We are, you know, we are not the ones that hire 545 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:58,960 it. It's the homeowner." But we'll get it figured out. But somebody's But they 546 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:04,000 were did they were waiting on asbestous results, too. I know. So, 547 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:07,720 last I talked to him. So, >> that was all I had. 548 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,480 Got >> nothing. 549 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,160 public comments. >> Yes, I do have 550 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:25,359 » What's your name? My name is Mr. Ley. Ley Ley. L A K E Y. Okay. 551 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:29,680 » I do have something to say all that's just a pattern I've noticed. I've 552 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:34,720 gone ahead and made out a speech for you. It said, "Good evening, members of 553 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:40,720 the Ogden City Council. My name is Mr. Leaky. I am the owner of Ethical 554 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:44,640 Emotions LLC. My work centers on computational affective intelligence for 555 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:49,280 human AI temporal interaction and modeling. I work with artificial 556 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:54,079 intelligence every day. I know a fair amount of what it takes to power it, 557 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:58,560 too. Massive data centers are moving closer and closer to Ogden. We need to 558 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:03,760 face the immediate threats that they pose to the cost of living and our local 559 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:08,240 resources. At full capacities, these facilities can draw an incredible 1,000 560 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:13,359 megawatts of power from our regional grid. But it isn't just an energy 561 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:17,680 problem. It's a water problem, too. Data centers scale uh on this scale can 562 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:22,800 swallow millions of gallons of water every single day uh just to keep their 563 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:27,040 servers from ju just to keep their servers from overheating. We have 564 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:33,599 already seen a single facility in Council Bluff Bluffs, the Google Council 565 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:38,960 Bluffs data center grow to consume 21% of that city's entire water supply. So 566 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:43,040 almost a fourth. Uh when tech corporations strain our regional power 567 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:48,160 and local water grids, utility costs inevitably shift at everyday people. If 568 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:53,359 Ogden is not actively collaborating with neighboring cities right now to protect 569 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:58,240 our shared resources, our cost of living more than likely will go up by proxy. I 570 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:04,000 urge this council to make regional infrastructure adv and advocacy on an 571 00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:08,319 immediate priority before corporate loopholes lock us out of our own 572 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,160 resources. This is Ogden. Don't just make it yours, keep it yours, too. Thank 573 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:14,640 you. >> Thank you. 574 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,839 » Thank you. I think there is a lot of concern about 575 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:24,480 data centers. There's no doubt about it. Was at a meeting today where they talked 576 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:29,440 about data centers. So, >> we appreciate that. 577 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:36,720 » Does a Does a data center consume as much as a mediumsiz nuclear reactor? 578 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:42,240 » Nuclear reactor outputs energy. >> No, I'm saying. 579 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:47,359 » Yeah, I'm saying I agree with that. >> Yeah. And so there will have to be I'm 580 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:53,119 just trying to say, you know, we're all against nuclear reactors, not me. But 581 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:59,119 yeah, aren't these going to cause a lot of uh I mean, Google just bought 582 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:05,359 » Well, it's supply and demand. Why would I hand out extra energy to the uh crowd 583 00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:11,760 of people when I can say that price and demand has 584 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:15,040 gone, right? So I don't actually need to hand out a bunch of energy at the same 585 00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:17,839 price. I can sit there and say, "Oh, the metric has gone up. Hey, let me string 586 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:23,040 you along now." >> That was going to be my second thing. 587 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:28,960 » We have We don't have transmission capacity for all this wires, 588 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:33,760 » cables, they will put it on. Yeah. >> But every time they put it on, 589 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,599 » then they then it costs us more per kilowatt hour. 590 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,640 » Yeah. It it it drives up supply and demand 591 00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:46,000 » you know. >> Yeah. It's uh it it heavily relies on 592 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:51,119 infrastructure and these companies are bolstering our own infrastructure to do 593 00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:54,720 this. There are uh capacitors that they're ordering from Facebook, for 594 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:59,599 Google, for for Amazon to get these things done within our own cities and 595 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:04,400 the they sit there and say, "Oh, it's going to be really good for you." No, 596 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:08,319 it's not >> in the long run. No, it's not. 597 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,640 » Well, they're going to get a huge tax. >> They shouldn't, 598 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,400 you know, >> they should they shouldn't be getting a 599 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,839 tax break. They're taking away in the long term resources away from everyday 600 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:24,400 people. That's you, me, everyone here in Ogden. Just by proxy, just by being in 601 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:27,680 another city. Yeah. Just by drawing off on top of another city's grid. 602 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,040 » We're on a grid, right? Or >> we're on a grid. 603 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,839 » Yeah. Yeah. It's not hard to siphon off of one grid to go to another grid. 604 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:37,599 There's power lines that lead from here to Ames and Ames to here. You know, it's 605 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:41,280 only a matter of and they're talking about putting one in as too. You know, 606 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:46,400 they're they're talking about some of these data centers and and that's one 607 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:51,200 data center of proposing three in this area. 608 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,880 » It's insane. >> It is insane. They're they're they're 609 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,720 trying to find loopholes right now and they're using AI to do it. And it's only 610 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,800 a matter of time before AI can sit there and poke and prod that thing that 611 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:07,520 doesn't sleep and and and say, "Oh, well, you know, I did find a plot of 612 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:11,520 land out out there that a farmer wants to sell for 10 $10 million or $10 613 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,440 billion, whatever it is, they have the money to do it. They have they have the 614 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,240 funds to secure that kind of asset because they know it's going to work out 615 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,920 for them in the long run and it's not going to work work out for them in the 616 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,720 long run. And if if you look at past cases of this where people have been 617 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:31,040 literally evicted from their houses uh because the data center is there, the 618 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:35,680 noise that it generates, the the lack of security uh that people get, the the 619 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:39,359 infringement of security where they they place cameras outside of every one of 620 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:42,960 these data centers. They they'll read your license plate, they'll know your 621 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:49,680 face, they'll know your your your biometrics, all of it. And and and just 622 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:56,559 kind of exist being able to do this. I don't think that I I'm I'm just very as 623 00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:01,599 much as I use AI is as much as I say that is one of the most 624 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:07,040 wasteful things that we could possibly do is 625 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:13,520 allow data centers to enter proximity of our town not just in our town proximity. 626 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:19,760 One data center is consuming 21% council bluffs. What happens when we have five? 627 00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:23,760 » Okay, thank you. Great. Uh, you guys talked about what I wanted to talk 628 00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:27,520 about. >> Mrs. Rogers, 629 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:33,760 » I got several. Well, last month, Lori Anderson spoke 630 00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:39,040 and said that she was going to talk to the Leonard Good Trust about writing a 631 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,920 letter to see about funding at the right time. 632 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,040 » See about funding about what? >> Their park. 633 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,480 » We already have. We've received funding from them. But you was going to have 634 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,440 them have a written notice or written written paper because you hadn't talked 635 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,200 to him yet. >> You said that in the meeting. 636 00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:58,800 » But anyway, >> you've had that funding for a while. So, 637 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,119 » but you're not listening to what I said. >> I'm not understanding. I'm sorry. 638 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:09,520 » You just made the statement that you when mayor asked you about the if you 639 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:15,200 had the park and stuff and you said that you um had to go talk to the Leonard 640 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:19,920 Good Trust to see if they would write up Oh, I know what you're talking about 641 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:26,480 yet. Yes. Okay, I'm with you. It was a um we went a different way. Uh we were 642 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:31,359 going to go with three banks. Now we're just we've just got a loan uh through 643 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:35,440 Vision Bank. So, we did not have to do what 644 00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:39,119 » uh the that written piece of >> paper. I can't remember what it was 645 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:43,280 called now. The something that they had to give a guarantor. 646 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:49,040 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is not happening now because we were we found out that 647 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,559 the bank can just cover that. >> When you started the project, you should 648 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:58,319 have had that done. But that's that you're said. You're fine. You're fine. 649 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:02,720 No, it's Emily. I asked you about the the um alleyway 650 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:07,119 behind my house. >> The driveway. Yep. Yep. The alley. 651 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:11,839 » Okay. Then on the and you said that it would not be taken down and it would be 652 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:15,280 used for the trucks to go in and out. >> It'll be used for the whole wreck that's 653 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:22,240 going to be >> Okay. But then you in the minutes last 654 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:29,839 week when when I ran it off, you said um that um it would not be unable it it 655 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:34,960 will not be usable in the future. The alley will be used for an exiting of the 656 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,160 park. Yeah. 657 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,880 » Okay. >> It's still going to be You can still 658 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,720 utilize it. >> No, I am not saying can. 659 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,559 » But then do I have to go all the way over to the driveway of the schoolhouse 660 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,119 and get >> No, 661 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,800 » there because if I want to go in by stumbles into two houses in, 662 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:59,200 » you can do that. >> Then it's not an exit. But when um for 663 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:03,359 there's going to be an entrance into the park, you know, where that where you 664 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:08,240 used to go into the school, that's going to be an entrance and people then are 665 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:11,680 going to have to go out that way. >> She's saying, "Can she come in while 666 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,880 people are going out?" >> Owner of that property, can I drive 667 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,960 through the alley and go into >> into yours? Yeah. There's not going to 668 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:22,000 be a there's not going to be a >> one way. 669 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,880 » Do not enter. It's a oneway. No, it's just they want the general traffic flow 670 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,760 during >> Okay. 671 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:31,040 » activities to utilize that way for traffic. 672 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,800 » This is what I read in here and it made it sound a different way. 673 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:36,319 » Oh, okay. >> Yeah. 674 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:41,599 » So then um >> but you can still they could neighbors 675 00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:46,240 can still go both ways or you you're behind your home 676 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:48,799 » but during games that's going to be the >> how people are going to exit. 677 00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:52,160 » The next question is then are you going to pave that? No, 678 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,920 » it's just going to be >> It's gonna be rock. It's gonna just be 679 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:59,680 rock. Yep. >> It's just going to be rock. 680 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:02,319 » But I would like to make a comment on that chicken lady. 681 00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:05,760 » Sure. >> I mean, and I don't give a rats about 682 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:11,680 chickens. I wish the hell would we get rid of the dogs and cats also 683 00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:15,839 because those if chickens talk all day and night, them dogs bark all night in 684 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:20,880 my neighborhood. So, but I want you guys to know there's 685 00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:24,440 more people involved than it has chicken than you know about. 686 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,160 I'm done. 687 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:35,760 » Okay. >> Thank you. I got that straightened out 688 00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:40,559 about the That was Yeah. >> Anything else? 689 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:45,200 Anybody else have anything? I would entertain a motion to So moved. 690 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:52,280 » Seconded. All those in favor say I. 691 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,280 » Good. Thank you. We are ajourned.