[0:10] Yeah,
>> that was that was the downfall.
[0:13] Otherwise, it was an awesome weekend.
>> You had to quit early at Brent.
[0:20] » Yes. Yeah, that's what we're visiting
about. It's the raining stand
[0:28] out.
[0:54] It's going to go over a
[1:35] Okay. Call the meeting to order. Ellie,
you want to take roll call, please?
[1:40] » Dave
>> here.
[1:41] » Brian
>> here.
[1:42] » Lori
>> here.
[1:43] » Denny
>> here.
[1:49] » Moving of the agenda.
We have a motion to approve the agenda
[1:53] as presented.
>> Go ahead. So move second it.
[1:58] » All those in favor signify with I.
>> I.
[2:01] » I.
>> Motion carries insurance update. Adam
[2:06] right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I've got a quote right in
[2:09] front of you. Uh rates went down again
this year.
[2:13] » Highlight all the important spots to
look at. It's double-sided. So page one
[2:18] is a front page. Page two is right
behind that. Page three it showed the
[2:22] decrease of 4.69%.
Main reason why is page four
[2:29] the overall base rating and risk level
were lower. The base rating this year.3%
[2:36] it was down from 4% in 2025.
That's the size of the pool of each plan
[2:42] or the pool size of each plan risk
level. uh the expected medical claims
[2:48] from the risk for that group is what
that's categor categorized as that's
[2:52] down 7.41%.
That was a big factor in the total
[2:57] decrease of 4.69.
New premium for a family is 1,96169
[3:06] is down from last year 2058.
Uh it's $924.92 for a single down from 9
[3:16] $970.38
in 2025. We have one single contract and
[3:20] six family contracts.
Overall new premium starting in October
[3:26] $12,695.
Uh last year that total premium
[3:32] this year till the renewal was 13,31940.
But it's about a $7,500 year service for
[3:39] all exact same plan. Um, as I do all the
time, I ran a ACA quote. We were to
[3:46] move, got to go to a portable care act
group plan quote. Um, the closest I
[3:51] could get is a high deductible silver
plan. The deductible would be 6,250 for
[3:58] a single contract and 12,500 for a
family. Uh right now it's 2,000 single,
[4:04] 4,000 for a family.
So it's a heck of a lot higher
[4:09] deductibles um and out of pocket maxes
and it costs more. That premium is
[4:14] $13,2360.
It's not in there. I have the quote here
[4:18] though if you would like to see it. Uh
it's essentially about $4,000 more for a
[4:24] worse benefit coverage claim.
I would say continue on with the same
[4:29] one, renewing October one.
Delta Dental, again, I didn't print off
[4:34] all all that. I have a copy here if
anybody wants to see it. The dental
[4:38] insurance, uh, that's pretty much stayed
exactly the same. Rates went up just a
[4:43] little bit for adults 21 years and
older. Children just a little bit, which
[4:48] are 0 to 20. Last year's premium was
664.58.
[4:53] This year it's 669.40.
So, that's almost identical. The extra
[4:58] benefits, which is the life, accidental
death, and dismemberment, short-term
[5:03] disability rates, that all stayed the
same. Those don't change. They're
[5:06] guaranteed to 2029.
[5:12] » Questions? Sure. Adam on insurance.
>> I had one question and it's not nec
[5:19] necessarily anything to do with our
plan, but why
[5:22] » why is dental insurance why doesn't it
pay very much
[5:29] » uh through an appointment?
>> You know what I mean? Because you you
[5:31] can have a a root canal and it'll cost
you $1,500
[5:36] over and above what the insurance will
pay. What I mean, you pay premiums for
[5:41] it, but Right. What's the What's the
deal with dental insurance?
[5:45] » Employer plans are typically a lot
better. Typically, the out or the
[5:48] benefit amount they'll pay back per year
is anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000. A lot
[5:53] of my clients I work with on the
individual basis when they're on
[5:56] Medicare, um, dental insurance is not
very good. The benefit max will pay back
[6:01] in a year is $1,000. So, a typical plan
I'll see right now on Medicare, it's
[6:06] like $40 a month. 40 time 12, you're 480
in just to have the premium.
[6:12] uh you get two teeth cleanings a year
which is covered. Um you know you can
[6:16] check with your local dentist office to
see what it costs to have your two
[6:20] cleanings that a year but typically it's
less than that premium.
[6:23] So then if you get root canals,
cavities, anything else, you got a $100
[6:27] deductible you got to meet. So now
you're 480 plus 100. You're 580 in just
[6:32] to get $1,000 back. About nine out of 10
of my clients don't buy the dental
[6:36] insurance on Medicare. Uh, I compare
that to my wife's plan at at her school
[6:42] district. Um, hers is a $2,000 benefit
and the school pays for hers. So, she's
[6:49] on it and it didn't matter if we had one
child or all of us. We all got on the
[6:54] same plan. Uh, she pays just a little
extra for hers. That's why I used to
[6:58] never have my own dental insurance until
we were able to jump on our employer.
[7:02] So, it's it's pretty uncommon to see it
on an individual basis. typically when
[7:06] it's when it's allocated towards an
employer plan, the benefit maxes are
[7:10] quite a bit better.
>> But a lot of the time too, they look at
[7:14] that, they don't want people not having
dental insurance and then uh I got a
[7:19] root canal coming up and so I'm going to
go buy it. Even if you tried to buy it,
[7:22] then there's a waiting period.
Typically, it's about 12 months, but
[7:26] they want you to pay that premium for a
while before you start getting any kind
[7:30] of benefits. But the benefits aren't the
greatest when you're buying it on an
[7:33] individual.
I just curious what your thoughts were.
[7:37] I
I've had dental insurance for a long
[7:41] time, but now my wife carries it and it
doesn't pay any better now than it did
[7:45] when I carried it.
Okay, any other questions for Adam?
[7:55] Very good. Thank you very much. It's
nice to see a rate go down instead of up
[8:00] years in a row. Yeah.
[8:04] Okay, department reports. Uh, Ethan.
>> Yeah. Uh, sorry I was busy last week, so
[8:11] I didn't get around to typing one up
like I usually do. Uh, couple things
[8:15] that I wanted to go over with you guys.
Uh, I did get the, uh, first of the two
[8:22] traffic studies done from the sheriff's
office.
[8:26] Um, I plan on asking them hopefully
within the next couple of weeks to set
[8:30] that up again so we can compare what the
traffic was like over the summer as
[8:34] opposed to once school starts. Um I was
shocked uh just in that one week period
[8:41] and that was between
se or sorry August 9th and August 15th
[8:48] um just in that 300 block of West by the
church there was 2,250 vehicles that
[8:54] passed through during just that time. Uh
so it was already a little more traffic
[8:59] than what I considered in the first
place. Um so I'll be interested to see
[9:02] what that looks like now that school
started. What was that number again,
[9:05] Ethan?
>> 2,250 vehicles. And that u that accounts
[9:10] for uh vehicles coming at the uh
device and also going away from it. And
[9:17] it combines those in there. Um it was a
it was a several page report. Um but it
[9:23] was just to kind of give you an idea of
what it shows. Um it gave like
[9:28] percentages of how many people were
above the posted speed limit, how many
[9:32] were below it, uh what the average speed
was. Uh the average speed during that
[9:38] week was actually uh just over 20 miles
an hour. Uh so the average speed of the
[9:42] vehicles was actually below the posted
speed limit of 25.
[9:46] Uh 36% of those vehicles were actually
violating the speed limit. Uh but the
[9:53] average violating speed was less than
five miles per hour over the posted
[9:58] speed limit. Uh so overall it's pretty
good. The one outlier uh was a like 54
[10:04] miles per hour. Um I did check the time
stamp on that to see if we had any
[10:08] medical calls or anything to see if it
was an uh emergency vehicle. I didn't
[10:13] see anything. So either somebody really
had to go to the bathroom bad. I don't
[10:16] know what was going on. But um but it
does give a pretty good idea of when
[10:20] those high levels of traffic are. Uh so
I'll be interested to see what this next
[10:24] one is and then maybe give us a better
idea we need to adjust uh any kind of
[10:29] stop signs or anything at those
intersections like we discussed.
[10:33] Um the other thing I'm getting lots of
people um either online or in person or
[10:42] uh third third party uh lots of
complaints and questions about ebikes
[10:48] and ecooters. Um that's kind of a hot
topic right now. Um it's a buzzword so a
[10:56] lot of people are talking about it. Uh
I'm a little bit torn on it. I think
[10:59] it's fantastic that we have something
that's actually getting kids out and
[11:02] about and not just sitting inside the
house um you know on their phones or on
[11:07] video games. However, uh these are
powered machines that go a little bit
[11:14] faster than if they were just you know a
kick scooter pedaling their bikes. Um so
[11:20] there is a little bit of a safety
concern. Uh people are asking if they're
[11:23] going to do anything about that. Uh I've
talked to Tony. I've been watching
[11:28] myself when I see a group of them out to
see if they're actually stopping at the
[11:31] stop signs. Um, I've been talking with
the schools uh to let them know like,
[11:36] hey, these are the expectations. Just
because you don't have a driver's
[11:39] license or not driving a car doesn't
mean you can't be cited uh for these
[11:43] kind of things. Uh, for the most part,
we haven't had any issues. I believe it
[11:48] was just last week or the week before we
had a kid run into the back of a car on
[11:52] his bike. Um, that was because he was on
his phone. We found out later some
[11:56] neighbors saw him playing on his boat.
So, not necessarily an ebike thing, but
[12:01] he happened to be on an ebike probably
doing about close to 20 m an hour, I
[12:05] would imagine, and ran into the back of
this lady's car. So, um I've told you
[12:11] guys before in reports that the state uh
that uh they had that house study bill,
[12:15] it ended up dying. So, they're still
considered just like any other bicycle
[12:19] or scooter. Um, as far as the state is
concerned, they're allowed anywhere that
[12:24] a bike can go. Uh, what some places are
doing is they left it up to the
[12:28] municipalities to draft their own
ordinances that just restrict that a
[12:32] little bit. Um, with all the complaints
and stuff I've been looking at, I think
[12:35] it's probably not a bad idea to look
into that, see what other places are
[12:38] doing. Um, if that's something where
maybe we restrict certain roads that
[12:42] these are allowed on, maybe certain
times of the day. Um, because there is
[12:47] there is concerns within the public. Um,
and I do agree that there there can be
[12:52] some safety concerns with that, too,
because these kids are going a lot
[12:55] faster than if they were just on a
normal biker scooter.
[12:59] Um, so just something for you guys to
consider. Um, I can also, Emily and I
[13:04] can probably look into what other places
are doing to see if we can adopt or
[13:09] draft something um that's working in
other towns.
[13:14] Uh, the other thing, I've talked with
Emily about this. Uh, I noticed we have
[13:18] a lot more golf carts and UTVs traveling
around town, especially with gas prices
[13:24] going up. That seems to be the preferred
method for a lot of people. Um, I've
[13:28] noticed when I'm doing my school patrols
with people bringing their kids to
[13:32] school on these, I saw somebody holding
their one-year-old on their left knee
[13:39] while going down the street in the golf
cart.
[13:42] I looked it up. There actually is no
state code that specifically talks about
[13:48] restraint systems in a golf cart or a
UTV. It just talks about when and where
[13:52] they can be driven. It's up to the local
government to decide that. Um, with it
[14:00] becoming more and more prevalent, I I
would rather not see a kid get hurt on a
[14:04] golf cart or something like that. So,
that's something else we're going to
[14:07] look into. We did get a response on that
and it seemed a little vague. Um, uh,
[14:12] but that's also something I'm going to
look into because we are seeing that
[14:15] more and more and I just I really hate
to see a kid or kids get get hurt
[14:20] because, you know, they're just kind of
dangling off of a golf cart or something
[14:24] like that.
>> Ethan, can kids can't drive ATVs, can
[14:29] they?
>> No. So,
[14:30] » but they can golf carts.
>> No. So, the way this the way the state
[14:34] code if they're going to be on the road,
they have to be uh licensed and they
[14:40] have to be 18. So, you can't it's not
even just being 16 and having a license
[14:44] the way the state code is written on
that. If they're in their own yards or
[14:48] private whatever and they can do
whatever, but if they're going to be on
[14:51] the roadways like everybody else, and
that is for four-wheelers, golf carts,
[14:55] all that, um they have to be licensed
and they have to be at least 18
[15:01] » at that point. Some of those will go for
like ebikes, the ones that look like
[15:07] little dirt bikes. Well, they really do
45 miles an hour. So, there there's a
[15:13] there's a whole
size differential in with with all of
[15:17] those. My kid thought he was he he
ordered something he told me was an
[15:22] ebike and I unboxed it when he was gone
and it was a dirt bike and it said right
[15:26] on there off-road use only. And I was
like, well, I'm sorry, buddy. They're
[15:30] not going to it. It's just too powerful.
They have to be they're considered an
[15:35] ebike
the the tier of an ebike has to be like
[15:40] under 750 watts I believe before but
when it's just recognized as just a
[15:45] normal bicycle. When it gets past that
and it's more powerful it can achieve
[15:49] those bigger speeds that's when it's no
longer considered just a a bike and
[15:54] that's when you're going to start
looking into restrictions on where it
[15:56] can be ridden, who can actually drive
it, stuff like that. When I was riding
[15:59] dirt bikes, you had two different
things. One of them had to have brake
[16:05] lights, headlights,
all kind mufflers, all kinds of stuff.
[16:09] The dirt bike for off the road,
it was just a big motor. And
[16:15] » yeah, for the off-road stuff, not
really. But
[16:18] » but I see those on the sidewalks.
>> Yeah.
[16:22] » You know, and that's not right. And I
know my kids in Texas, they the
[16:29] neighborhoods are just alive with them.
And some of them are thousands of
[16:33] dollars
because there's some really wealthy
[16:36] people out there. And they're running
old ladies down and everything else, you
[16:41] know. So that's not that's not kosher.
>> So yeah, and those those would not
[16:46] qualify under what the state recognizes
as a bicycle at that point. It would be
[16:50] like a a motorized bike at that point.
So,
[16:52] » and then it would have to have stop
lights and stuff or probably not if it's
[16:56] an off-road.
>> I was going to say if it's it would have
[16:59] to um it would have to have all the
equipment that you would need to ride um
[17:04] on the road just like anything else at
that point is my understanding. But a
[17:08] lot a lot of what I've been Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
[17:10] » Golf carts never have any of that stuff.
>> And even if they do, a lot of golf carts
[17:15] that you can buy now, you can get them
with turning signals, lights, all that
[17:19] stuff. But the way the state code is
written, you still can't operate though,
[17:22] even if they have the equipment to do
so. They're not supposed to be operated
[17:26] uh when the sun's not up.
>> Oh, sure.
[17:29] » Y
>> when you said golf carts licensed, is it
[17:33] the cart that's licensed or the person
that needs to be
[17:36] » the person operating it has to have a
bad license? It has to be at least 18
[17:40] years old.
[17:43] » Uh we discovered that too because we had
some kids riding uh four-wheelers to
[17:48] school last year um that were I mean
they had their license. They just didn't
[17:52] realize they assumed since they had
their full license that they could do
[17:55] that. I looked into it and know you
actually have 18 to
[18:00] » and those ATV vehicles have to be
licensed
[18:04] » and those have to be registered and
licensed through.
[18:09] » Thank you. Any questions for Ethan other
than that?
[18:14] » Uh
Emily, did we get anything from Dan and
[18:18] Chad?
>> Dad's on vacation this week and Dan's on
[18:24] vacation.
>> Okay.
[18:26] Andy's the lone man out there right now.
>> What about you?
[18:30] » Um, I just have that Wednesday, October
7th, Vision Bank is going to have a
[18:35] customer appreciation day from 11:00
a.m. to 2:00 p.m. and they want to block
[18:41] off the street um to the east like they
do. And I told them that shouldn't be a
[18:47] problem. I would let Dan know to get
them road close signs.
[18:54] What day did you say it was?
>> Uh, Wednesday, October 7th from 11 to 2.
[19:02] And um, our 2013 fire truck has been
sold.
[19:08] Um, actually sold it for more than we
paid for it in 2013.
[19:13] And Rick is in Minnesota picking up the
new fire truck today.
[19:20] » I saw him out. people out various people
up looking at that truck. So the new one
[19:25] must be done.
>> Yeah. Um
[19:27] » going to Georgia, right?
>> Going to Georgia.
[19:31] » Yeah. And they said the next time we
have a truck that's ready to be sold,
[19:35] just contact them directly because they
would be interested. So
[19:41] that's all I got.
>> Ellie, do you have anything?
[19:49] Uh the consent agenda, does anything
need to be added or removed from the
[19:55] consent agenda?
[20:00] » I'm just going to ask apparently they
did a change order that decreased the
[20:05] price of something at
>> on the Yeah. Um there we got a discount
[20:10] on the playground equipment.
>> Oh, sure.
[20:14] » So they did a change order for that.
The development agreement with Casey's
[20:20] Brian, does that include
the street going further?
[20:25] » It does. It goes all the way to the end
of well where u
[20:31] » East Veterans
>> Greg's property
[20:33] » really lives
>> clear to the end because initially it
[20:38] they were going to stop it at the end of
their property and I said, "No, no, no.
[20:42] We're not going to do that. It has to go
all the way to the end because that's
[20:46] not fair to
to Greg or whoever would happen to live
[20:52] in that house on the north side of the
street. Plus, it gives us if that ever
[20:57] develops out there, it gives us a place
to take off from. So, and they weren't I
[21:03] think it was a matter of
u
[21:07] a different person
>> in charge of it
[21:09] » in charge of it and they didn't
understand what we were requesting
[21:13] there. So, yeah, it does. It goes all
the way to the end. And so, they'll
[21:19] they'll probably be in touch with you at
some point, Greg, when they get ready to
[21:24] do that and uh figure out where you want
your driveway entrance and how you want
[21:29] that approach and
>> Well, they're going to put a new
[21:32] driveway for
>> just the entrance.
[21:36] » But it'd be nice, wouldn't it?
>> Yeah.
[21:39] » So, is that project moving along? Not
the not just the road, but I mean the
[21:44] whole project.
>> Do we know anything more about that?
[21:47] » From everything I understand, they're
going to start construction in May,
[21:52] May of next year.
>> So,
[21:59] » but that could change just like last
time. Of
[22:02] » course, we've been hearing that for
seven years.
[22:06] Is there contingency in the paperwork
that says
[22:12] when you won't be on the
thing for
[22:18] contributing to that road if they don't
cons start or sometime there's something
[22:23] I read in there like that rightly
>> well I'm not aware of that
[22:30] » okay but I you know we haven't looked at
it for years so
[22:36] I thought it said something about
>> Did you are you saying if they started
[22:42] it in they don't start it in May that we
would be on the
[22:46] » or if we put this agreed to put the
street in
[22:51] uh and make payments on that then they
have to move forward with building the
[22:58] station
>> in non-war terms.
[23:02] I don't know. I don't know where I read
that. But
[23:04] » I bet they don't won't do that road
until after they've started the store.
[23:11] » That'd be good
cuz they'll have to do all their
[23:15] » streetes and have all their equipment
going in to do that. So, I would think
[23:21] the store would come first and then the
road.
[23:25] » Anything about the I remember they used
to want to have it for semis to fill up
[23:30] and stuff. They're not planning.
>> They caught that, didn't they?
[23:33] » They are going to keep the diesel pumps,
but not
[23:36] » they're not planning on
>> not planning on large approach for
[23:40] semir.
[23:45] » Any other questions on that?
>> No, sir.
[23:49] » So, do we have a motion to approve the
consent agenda? We have to have a motion
[23:53] for that.
>> I second it.
[23:57] » All those in favor signify with an I. I.
Motion carries.
[24:05] Uh Rebecca,
>> how are you guys? Good.
[24:10] » Good. Yourself?
>> Pretty good. Um I wanted to talk about
[24:15] chickens. I know it's a sore topic in
this town, but I'm not looking to poke
[24:20] anybody.
Um, I have examples of how
[24:26] and
in a clean way we could have chickens
[24:30] without um
neighbors getting involved and being mad
[24:35] at each other and stuff. Um, so my
examples are pretty much like what you
[24:43] could fill out, what the rules would be.
Um, I got signatures from a whole bunch
[24:48] of people, but also in order to have
chickens, I would also go around to
[24:55] every single neighbor of mine and make
sure that the person who wants chickens,
[25:01] all their neighbors agree that it's okay
for them to have chickens. Obviously, no
[25:05] roosters or anything like that. Um, I
have examples here if you want to read
[25:12] them.
[25:17] And if it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass.
It's fine.
[25:22] But um I just thought it would be nice
to just have the option for like a
[25:29] limited amount of pens.
[25:40] » A question about neighbors.
>> Yeah. Let's say my neighbor
[25:46] uh
let's see how would I put that
[25:51] neighbor Agrees to chickens for neighbor
B and then neighbor A moves to De Moine.
[26:01] Somebody else moves in there.
Neighbor B has a $5,000 investment in
[26:08] fence, chicken coupe, inspections, all
that stuff.
[26:12] all of a sudden
then then the new neighbor a
[26:20] force you out of business
>> out of business.
[26:25] » Well, out of the chickens.
So, in other words, it's never static
[26:32] anymore for very long. Some people do
live here forever like me, but
[26:38] where my kids live down in De Moine, you
know, the the tail in the neighborhood
[26:45] is never static. You stay there for 3
years and move on to some other place.
[26:52] So, I I don't know how you would address
that since you put out five, six, seven,
[26:58] $8,000 for fences and all that
inspections and coups and all that kind
[27:04] of stuff. Because the kind of coups that
I see that actually in these
[27:12] townships that allow it are not the kind
of coups that they showed us a picture
[27:18] of. You know, it's Mhm.
>> And and I look at building permits all
[27:25] the time and a shed anymore is 10 grand,
you know.
[27:31] » Yeah.
>> So
[27:34] 5,000 won't even, you know, it cost me
5,000 to build my garage. You can't buy
[27:38] a shed for that now.
>> Well,
[27:42] » how do you handle that?
>> We kind of made our own. Like we went to
[27:46] Menards and got all the uh supplies to
do it. We just put it together and it's
[27:52] a lot cheaper that way.
>> I get that. Not everybody can do that.
[27:56] » I know
>> I can.
[27:58] It's 5% of the people that can build
their own stuff. And then
[28:04] when we spent nine months on this
before, we saw all kinds of examples and
[28:11] like in
even in bigger cities they allow it in
[28:16] certain areas
and it's where
[28:21] typically people are further apart
and um
[28:27] but it allowed like 200 lb of
waste,
[28:35] you know, whatever the chickens produce
for them to eat.
[28:39] » Uh, so what I've always done whenever I
had chickens was
[28:45] I used hay as their bedding, right? And
then before winter, I spread it all
[28:51] throughout my lawn. And by that time,
it's all dry and it doesn't smell like
[28:55] anything.
And um then over the winter it breaks
[29:00] down and then it's like healthy for my
lawn.
[29:04] Um
>> I worked in an aven environment when I
[29:07] was in high school
>> and it never doesn't stink.
[29:11] » It was a turkey it was a turkey place.
Same thing.
[29:15] » Well, if you don't air out your uh poop
well enough, then it doesn't it's going
[29:19] to build up stink.
It's just the moisture.
[29:22] » It has a lot of ammonia in it.
>> Huh? Chicken poop has a lot of ammonia,
[29:28] which is very
>> Rebecca, can I ask a question? Do you
[29:32] currently have chickens?
>> Yeah.
[29:35] » So, you know you're in violation of city
code?
[29:38] » I am.
>> Okay. And
[29:42] do you know how it was reported to us
that you had chickens?
[29:46] » Oh,
>> because you were disposing of your your
[29:51] chicken manure on city property. No, I
wasn't.
[29:56] » Well, somewhere along the way, we have
pictures of that.
[30:00] » Where?
>> In the library.
[30:03] » On the library.
>> Library back.
[30:08] » Our guys mowing had pictures of it.
That's the only reason that
[30:14] » back there by chickens. I don't know
>> because I always keep on my property.
[30:19] So, so my point with this is that when
we went through this before, there were
[30:25] people that had chickens in town and
then it became an issue where the
[30:31] neighbors didn't want the chickens right
there. They offered to help move and the
[30:38] person that had the chickens said, "No,
I'm not going to do that." And so then
[30:43] there was a complaint filed with this
this body, the co the council, and we
[30:49] had to do something about it. And so
[30:56] » and this law has been on the books.
>> It's kind of like if if I guess I I can
[31:01] drive 80 miles an hour in a 55 mph speed
zone till I get caught, but when I get
[31:06] caught, then it's then I have to pay the
price. And I'm not I don't know if
[31:11] that's equating that to the same, but
[31:17] um there's probably as I mean if if we
wanted to we could probably go out and
[31:23] get as many signatures of people that
don't want chickens in town.
[31:28] And um so we we have to find a happy
medium here and our happy medium is to
[31:36] to just not allow it. I guess at this
point now I
[31:42] I've spoke my piece. If somebody else
has an opinion, please talk. I
[31:47] » No, I I agree. I mean, I I appreciate
this, but
[31:51] » we saw a lot of this when we talked
about it before, and I guess I don't see
[31:55] any new information, and we do have we
already had the ordinance on the books
[32:01] of no livestock in town. So I I guess
I'm not inclined to without any new,
[32:12] you know, ideas
to to approve.
[32:17] » Yeah.
>> Moving forward with that.
[32:23] » I I'm totally against it. Um,
we have ordinances
[32:31] against animals in town
and uh I mean if you can have your
[32:38] chicken, why can't I have my horse? My
horse is a 2,000lb horse.
[32:44] I have several of them.
I'm going to upset somebody.
[32:50] Um,
I am a firm believer in no animals in
[32:54] town. And
were I to have my way, there wouldn't be
[32:59] dogs or cats either,
[33:04] » because I just don't believe they belong
in town.
[33:09] But we're we appreciate the fact that
you've come
[33:12] » Yeah.
>> forward and ask. Um but if if you have
[33:17] chickens now, you need to get rid of
them.
[33:19] » Yeah.
>> So, um
[33:25] unless anybody else has any other
questions.
[33:33] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[33:35] » Thank you. Mhm.
[33:40] » Uh moving moving forward with uh the uh
I didn't get anything from Marber's as
[33:48] to what
only thing I can say that might be
[33:54] pertinent to her report would be that
both the workforce tax credit grants
[33:59] were approved. Oh, good.
>> Um, so above the fitness center is where
[34:09] Zack Mloud has that. That's He's going
to put apartments up there.
[34:14] » I thought the gas tank was an issue. The
>> No, no, no. That was for
[34:19] » That's for Yeah.
>> And
[34:22] » that was like federal funding.
>> It was from USDA.
[34:25] » Oh, okay.
>> That's what they were seeking.
[34:28] Uh, and the other one was uh
Abby,
[34:36] right?
>> Yeah.
[34:37] » Abby Gilroy.
>> Gilroy for Couldn't think of her last
[34:39] name. Sorry. Um, her workforce uh tax
credits were approved for uh down at
[34:49] back behind your place at the
[34:54] » Johnson property. Mind I'm losing words
here tonight.
[34:58] So, uh I know that she's scheduled a
meeting with uh some of the neighbors
[35:04] » tomorrow
>> tomorrow evening
[35:07] uh talk about some of their concerns and
then I believe she's going to offer a
[35:13] community meeting on sometime in October
so that she can talk about the whole
[35:19] process.
[35:23] Um
Dave, do you have any
[35:26] » no
>> comments
[35:28] » or anything else?
>> I had one comment and it was about the
[35:32] garbage rates and it's not about the
necessarily the rates but um we have at
[35:41] our end of town the garbage man is the
guy from Huxley I believe
[35:46] » guys. Huh?
>> Garbage guys. garbage guys and they
[35:52] evidently have raised their rates and I
have
[35:56] um automatic pay out of the bank. Well,
now I'm like three months behind on what
[36:02] they raised it because I I was never
notified.
[36:05] » Oh, we get emails
>> and so I was just wondering if if I if
[36:11] anybody else had gotten
>> we we do have garbage guys and we get
[36:15] emails from them. uh
and that whether it's you know they're
[36:22] not going to pick up a certain day but
also the rates
[36:26] uh have been so I don't know
>> I must just be on the I must not have
[36:32] got given them my email
because I'm like two months behind or 50
[36:38] cents that whatever they raised at 50
cents a month I'm a couple of months
[36:43] behind so I thought
the bank when you have an automatic
[36:49] payment it automatically would they take
out that new amount but
[36:53] » I don't know if they didn't do that or
what because I
[36:57] » now it's instead of whatever the rate is
I'm a dollar behind and I don't I know
[37:02] that's not a big deal except that
>> I
[37:06] think we have auto pay too and
I don't think we have that
[37:10] » I brought mine up and showed it to Emily
and I thought well maybe I'm reading
[37:14] this wrong because I Anyway, I'll
contact them and make sure I get on
[37:20] their email.
Lori,
[37:24] » uh, a couple things. Uh, I did have a
complaint from a citizen about some junk
[37:30] in the yards of a couple places that
have been there quite a while. And I
[37:34] don't know if Ethan, you want to talk to
them, but there's down on Division
[37:39] Street West.
They're both on west division further
[37:44] closer to the um school. So there's a
stove that's been sitting in the one
[37:50] yard on the on the south side and
there's um
[37:55] » a mattress and box springs on that
corner right by the funeral home on the
[38:01] this anyway
>> house wasn't big. So they had to go in
[38:06] and there was a rid of a big So they the
sheriff's office showed up and tore
[38:10] everything out of the house
>> and put it on the curb and then he just
[38:15] kind of took what he could take with
him. Um I assumed when they brought that
[38:20] rolloff out because somebody bought all
that from Jason Taylor and they're
[38:22] redoing those units. So I assumed when
they had that roll off that they were
[38:28] going to start throwing that stuff in
there.
[38:31] But I can try to find a contact for
them. I don't have anything right now.
[38:35] » Yeah,
>> I don't know about the across the
[38:37] street. The stove. I
>> I don't know about the stove, but I know
[38:40] that one though that was
>> okay
[38:42] » cuz the sheriff's office ripped
everything out of it and went it to the
[38:44] curb. The guy wasn't
>> They making that into four units instead
[38:48] of two.
>> I'm not sure what they're doing. Um
[38:51] » something told me that. I don't not
somebody, but just looking at it.
[38:58] And then we had another construction
meeting today and uh I mean things are
[39:05] moving along but maybe not fast enough.
And so um tenfold and
[39:12] be both um
really impressed that it was critical
[39:18] that they get the infield. uh this uh
Iowa athletic field are the ones that
[39:24] are doing the infields and to get in
there in the next next two weeks to to
[39:30] get in and do demo and put the new in so
that we make sure that we can get that
[39:36] seating and saw it in uh before it's too
late uh in in the year. Um trying to
[39:44] think
[39:47] um should I mention about those trees at
this point?
[39:51] » Um just for information.
>> So
[39:56] on the east side of the whole property
uh the there's a property that is owned
[40:07] by somebody but it's in the care of the
bank right now. And there's some dead
[40:11] trees, dead ash trees. There's three
dead ash trees on there. And the concern
[40:16] is, I mean, it would be really nice to
be able to
[40:20] get those down
before our fencing goes in in case they
[40:26] would fall over cuz they're they're dead
dead. Um, and so they were supposed to
[40:32] give us a
because it's supposedly cheaper just to
[40:36] knock them down and cut them up than uh
later, you know, have a tree service
[40:42] come in and take the whole thing out.
Um,
[40:46] so she sent they sent Emily the cost.
What' you say 36?
[40:51] » I think it was 3750.
>> Yeah. the current person in the pro at
[40:57] the property probably would not be able
to afford to to do that. So, just
[41:03] throwing that out for consideration. I
know we can't decide that today, but um
[41:09] whether the city wants to
to do that with our cost just to
[41:15] safeguard
our potential our our future fence there
[41:20] because Steve said, you know, down the
road it might cost you more to repair
[41:24] the fence than it would be to take the
trees down now. But Emily thinks that
[41:29] maybe our normal guy might be able to
take this even cheaper even than that
[41:34] that amount. So that's something to
think about.
[41:38] » Attach it to the taxes.
[41:44] » You probably could
[41:48] » and let them pay for it over a period of
time.
[41:53] I
>> but with the stuff that we have for
[41:57] insurance, you're probably right. It it
it cost us more to
[42:02] » I think the property is in foreclosure
process though. So
[42:07] I
that'll go back on somebody else's.
[42:11] Yeah.
[42:15] » Well, anyway, there's throw that out
there. Um they are
[42:21] uh let's see they'll we'll they'll be
asking us for 50% down payment on the
[42:27] playground equipment here pretty soon.
Um
[42:33] and let's see
otherwise they still need to get
[42:39] connected with Brandon. They have not
had that meeting yet. And uh but they
[42:45] hope to get the concrete in this fall.
We have taken everything out of the two
[42:50] sheds. So, the one will be demolished.
It's ready for that. And they took down
[42:54] that big tree that was kind of back
behind the uh the concession stand. Um
[43:02] the other shed is pretty much empty and
that'll be moved over to by the
[43:06] community garden. Um
we've done everything. I don't think we
[43:12] are other than those trees. there's
nothing more that is on our plate to do
[43:18] at this point. But um so I think they're
just going to try to keep pushing uh
[43:23] these guys to make sure that in the next
two weeks some significant stuff is done
[43:29] um by by our next we have another
meeting in two weeks. So
[43:34] anybody have any questions on that?
[43:39] Okay. Uh and then I just have a
question. you know, the house that burnt
[43:46] over I don't know what street that is.
And I thought the insurance
[43:51] company said that had they had so much
and it wasn't that long of a time period
[43:57] to demolish that house, but it's still
standing. So, what was status? Well,
[44:03] I was in I just sent the message off to
the insurance company asking when's the
[44:10] plan because it's almost been a year.
And um they were they have somebody
[44:16] that's going to take it down, but they
have to remove the asbestous.
[44:21] So, they're going to have to do
asbestous removal before they tear it
[44:23] down. But and then the last thing was is
they want they wanted to know if it was
[44:28] okay if they
um do this edging and then put a fence
[44:34] around it. And I said and I told them
no, it needs to be back filled and
[44:39] seated cuz they're not rebuilding a home
there. Otherwise, there's probably going
[44:43] to be this hole there for
>> the homeowners asked that question. No,
[44:48] the insurance company because it wasn't
in their bid
[44:52] » to backfill and seed. And I said, but
there's not a home going back up. So,
[44:58] » I feel like for the city, it needs to be
backfilled and
[45:03] » seated because who knows when another
home may ever be buil built there. You
[45:09] know, I don't know. I know that the
Rorels aren't building a new home there.
[45:14] So
>> give us x number of dollars.
[45:18] » Yeah, they the insurance company has
given us I think the it's like 26,000.
[45:24] » Um and that will um if they don't get it
done then we can use those funds to tear
[45:30] it down, but they they told me they're
in the process. So
[45:35] » I I will call them again.
>> Yeah. I mean been a while.
[45:39] » Yeah.
Um,
[45:42] and Orels say they didn't hire anybody
to tear it down, but the insurance
[45:47] company says, "Well, they did. We are,
you know, we are not the ones that hire
[45:51] it. It's the homeowner." But we'll get
it figured out. But somebody's But they
[45:56] were did they were waiting on asbestous
results, too. I know. So,
[46:01] last I talked to him. So,
>> that was all I had.
[46:08] Got
>> nothing.
[46:11] public comments.
>> Yes, I do have
[46:15] » What's your name? My name is Mr. Ley.
Ley Ley. L A K E Y. Okay.
[46:20] » I do have something to say all
that's just a pattern I've noticed. I've
[46:27] gone ahead and made out a speech for
you. It said, "Good evening, members of
[46:32] the Ogden City Council. My name is Mr.
Leaky. I am the owner of Ethical
[46:36] Emotions LLC. My work centers on
computational affective intelligence for
[46:42] human AI temporal interaction and
modeling. I work with artificial
[46:46] intelligence every day. I know a fair
amount of what it takes to power it,
[46:51] too. Massive data centers are moving
closer and closer to Ogden. We need to
[46:56] face the immediate threats that they
pose to the cost of living and our local
[47:00] resources. At full capacities, these
facilities can draw an incredible 1,000
[47:06] megawatts of power from our regional
grid. But it isn't just an energy
[47:10] problem. It's a water problem, too. Data
centers scale uh on this scale can
[47:15] swallow millions of gallons of water
every single day uh just to keep their
[47:21] servers from ju just to keep their
servers from overheating. We have
[47:24] already seen a single facility in
Council Bluff Bluffs, the Google Council
[47:30] Bluffs data center grow to consume 21%
of that city's entire water supply. So
[47:36] almost a fourth. Uh when tech
corporations strain our regional power
[47:40] and local water grids, utility costs
inevitably shift at everyday people. If
[47:45] Ogden is not actively collaborating with
neighboring cities right now to protect
[47:50] our shared resources, our cost of living
more than likely will go up by proxy. I
[47:56] urge this council to make regional
infrastructure adv and advocacy on an
[48:01] immediate priority before corporate
loopholes lock us out of our own
[48:05] resources. This is Ogden. Don't just
make it yours, keep it yours, too. Thank
[48:10] you.
>> Thank you.
[48:12] » Thank you.
I think there is a lot of concern about
[48:16] data centers. There's no doubt about it.
Was at a meeting today where they talked
[48:21] about data centers. So,
>> we appreciate that.
[48:25] » Does a Does a data center consume as
much as a mediumsiz nuclear reactor?
[48:33] » Nuclear reactor outputs energy.
>> No, I'm saying.
[48:40] » Yeah, I'm saying I agree with that.
>> Yeah. And so there will have to be I'm
[48:44] just trying to say, you know, we're all
against nuclear reactors, not me. But
[48:49] yeah, aren't these going to cause a lot
of uh I mean, Google just bought
[48:57] » Well, it's supply and demand. Why would
I hand out extra energy to the uh crowd
[49:02] of people when
I can say that price and demand has
[49:07] gone, right? So I don't actually need to
hand out a bunch of energy at the same
[49:13] price. I can sit there and say, "Oh, the
metric has gone up. Hey, let me string
[49:16] you along now."
>> That was going to be my second thing.
[49:20] » We have We don't have transmission
capacity for all this wires,
[49:26] » cables, they will put it on. Yeah.
>> But every time they put it on,
[49:30] » then they then it costs us more per
kilowatt hour.
[49:34] » Yeah. It it it drives up supply and
demand
[49:38] » you know.
>> Yeah. It's uh it it heavily relies on
[49:43] infrastructure and these companies are
bolstering our own infrastructure to do
[49:48] this. There are uh capacitors that
they're ordering from Facebook, for
[49:52] Google, for for Amazon to get these
things done within our own cities and
[49:57] the they sit there and say, "Oh, it's
going to be really good for you." No,
[50:01] it's not
>> in the long run. No, it's not.
[50:06] » Well, they're going to get a huge tax.
>> They shouldn't,
[50:10] you know,
>> they should they shouldn't be getting a
[50:12] tax break. They're taking away in the
long term resources away from everyday
[50:17] people. That's you, me, everyone here in
Ogden. Just by proxy, just by being in
[50:22] another city. Yeah. Just by drawing off
on top of another city's grid.
[50:26] » We're on a grid, right? Or
>> we're on a grid.
[50:28] » Yeah. Yeah. It's not hard to siphon off
of one grid to go to another grid.
[50:32] There's power lines that lead from here
to Ames and Ames to here. You know, it's
[50:36] only a matter of and they're talking
about putting one in as too. You know,
[50:39] they're they're talking about some of
these data centers and and that's one
[50:44] data center
of proposing three in this area.
[50:49] » It's insane.
>> It is insane. They're they're they're
[50:52] trying to find loopholes right now and
they're using AI to do it. And it's only
[50:56] a matter of time before AI can sit there
and poke and prod that thing that
[51:00] doesn't sleep and and and say, "Oh,
well, you know, I did find a plot of
[51:04] land out out there that a farmer wants
to sell for 10 $10 million or $10
[51:09] billion, whatever it is, they have the
money to do it. They have they have the
[51:13] funds to secure that kind of asset
because they know it's going to work out
[51:16] for them in the long run and it's not
going to work work out for them in the
[51:20] long run. And if if you look at past
cases of this where people have been
[51:24] literally evicted from their houses uh
because the data center is there, the
[51:28] noise that it generates, the the lack of
security uh that people get, the the
[51:33] infringement of security where they they
place cameras outside of every one of
[51:37] these data centers. They they'll read
your license plate, they'll know your
[51:40] face, they'll know your your your
biometrics, all of it. And and and just
[51:46] kind of exist being able to do this. I
don't think that I I'm I'm just very as
[51:54] much as I use AI is as much as I say
that is one of the most
[51:59] wasteful
things that we could possibly do is
[52:03] allow data centers to enter proximity of
our town not just in our town proximity.
[52:10] One data center is consuming 21% council
bluffs. What happens when we have five?
[52:16] » Okay, thank you. Great. Uh, you guys
talked about what I wanted to talk
[52:21] about.
>> Mrs. Rogers,
[52:25] » I got several.
Well, last month, Lori Anderson spoke
[52:31] and said that she was going to talk to
the Leonard Good Trust about writing a
[52:36] letter to see about funding at the right
time.
[52:40] » See about funding about what?
>> Their park.
[52:42] » We already have. We've received funding
from them. But you was going to have
[52:46] them have a written notice or written
written paper because you hadn't talked
[52:49] to him yet.
>> You said that in the meeting.
[52:54] » But anyway,
>> you've had that funding for a while. So,
[52:57] » but you're not listening to what I said.
>> I'm not understanding. I'm sorry.
[53:00] » You just made the statement that you
when mayor asked you about the if you
[53:06] had the park and stuff and you said that
you um had to go talk to the Leonard
[53:12] Good Trust to see if they would write up
Oh, I know what you're talking about
[53:16] yet. Yes. Okay, I'm with you. It was a
um we went a different way. Uh we were
[53:23] going to go with three banks. Now we're
just we've just got a loan uh through
[53:29] Vision Bank. So, we did not have to do
what
[53:32] » uh the that written piece of
>> paper. I can't remember what it was
[53:36] called now. The something that they had
to give a guarantor.
[53:41] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is not happening
now because we were we found out that
[53:46] the bank can just cover that.
>> When you started the project, you should
[53:50] have had that done. But that's that
you're said. You're fine. You're fine.
[53:55] No, it's Emily.
I asked you about the the um alleyway
[54:01] behind my house.
>> The driveway. Yep. Yep. The alley.
[54:04] » Okay. Then on the and you said that it
would not be taken down and it would be
[54:09] used for the trucks to go in and out.
>> It'll be used for the whole wreck that's
[54:14] going to be
>> Okay. But then you in the minutes last
[54:17] week when when I ran it off, you said um
that um it would not be unable it it
[54:25] will not be usable in the future. The
alley will be used for an exiting of the
[54:33] park.
Yeah.
[54:35] » Okay.
>> It's still going to be You can still
[54:38] utilize it.
>> No, I am not saying can.
[54:40] » But then do I have to go all the way
over to the driveway of the schoolhouse
[54:45] and get
>> No,
[54:46] » there because if I want to go in by
stumbles into two houses in,
[54:51] » you can do that.
>> Then it's not an exit. But when um for
[54:57] there's going to be an entrance into the
park, you know, where that where you
[55:01] used to go into the school, that's going
to be an entrance and people then are
[55:05] going to have to go out that way.
>> She's saying, "Can she come in while
[55:10] people are going out?"
>> Owner of that property, can I drive
[55:13] through the alley and go into
>> into yours? Yeah. There's not going to
[55:16] be a there's not going to be a
>> one way.
[55:19] » Do not enter. It's a oneway. No, it's
just they want the general traffic flow
[55:24] during
>> Okay.
[55:25] » activities to utilize that way for
traffic.
[55:28] » This is what I read in here and it made
it sound a different way.
[55:32] » Oh, okay.
>> Yeah.
[55:33] » So then um
>> but you can still they could neighbors
[55:38] can still go both ways or you you're
behind your home
[55:42] » but during games that's going to be the
>> how people are going to exit.
[55:47] » The next question is then are you going
to pave that? No,
[55:51] » it's just going to be
>> It's gonna be rock. It's gonna just be
[55:54] rock. Yep.
>> It's just going to be rock.
[55:57] » But I would like to make a comment on
that chicken lady.
[56:01] » Sure.
>> I mean, and I don't give a rats about
[56:04] chickens. I wish the hell would we get
rid of the dogs and cats also
[56:08] because those if chickens talk all day
and night, them dogs bark all night in
[56:14] my neighborhood.
So, but I want you guys to know there's
[56:19] more people involved than it has chicken
than you know about.
[56:25] I'm done.
[56:31] » Okay.
>> Thank you. I got that straightened out
[56:33] about the That was Yeah.
>> Anything else?
[56:37] Anybody else have anything? I would
entertain a motion to So moved.
[56:43] » Seconded.
All those in favor say I.
[56:48] » Good. Thank you. We are ajourned.