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All right, it's 1:30.
I'd like to call the meeting of the

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Traffic and Transportation Commission
for March 16, 2026 to order. We'll go

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ahead and do roll call. Commissioner
Littlefield

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» present.
>> Commissioner KS is not available.

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Commissioner Hail
>> here, sir.

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» Commissioner Martinez is not available.
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» here.
>> Commissioner George

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>> Okay. And Commissioner Cornet is not

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available. So, we do have a quorum and
we are able to to proceed.

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We go on now to the next item. Uh,
approval of the minutes from February

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16th, 2026. Can I have a motion, please?
>> Motion to approve.

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» Motion to approve by Commissioner Hail.
Do we have a second?

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» Second
>> by Commissioner Wyn. Any discussion?

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» Uh, if you if you recall, uh, we asked
for a presentation on parking meters,

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why, how come, where does the money go,
all that, that'll be in April.

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» Oh, okay. So, it is being worked. They
just asked if they could have a bit more

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time. Okay. So, we have a motion from
Commissioner Hail to approve, seconded

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by Commissioner Wyn to approve the
minutes of the February 16th, 2026.

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Votes, please.

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There it is. Item has passed. With all
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we go on now to reports from the traffic
services division in the counselor's

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office.
>> All right. You've got our standing

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standard monthly report before you. Um I
just want to make a few comments on the

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uh alternative speed abatement program
status report. We haven't had any new uh

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speed humps installed since mid December
of last year. Uh the reason for that is

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because we're in the process of looking
for a new vendor. We've been so until

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until we have someone new under contract
to provide them, we're kind of holding

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on pending applications and
like I said, working to find a new

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vendor. And as far as the rest of the
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consequence is um on the last page there
is a under turn restrictions there's

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been a new one that's been installed
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Northwest 13th Street and that is for a
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weekdays from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m.
And aside from that, I'm happy to answer

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any of the questions you might have
about our standing monthly reports.

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» All right. Thank you very much.
Council's office.

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» No reports today.
>> All right. Thank you very much, sir.

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» Okay. We go on to item four, the consent
docket. There are no items. We go to

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item five. 5A. Corey Hubert, parking
services manager. Uh item is up on the

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screen. Sir, if I could have your name
and address, you got five minutes.

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» Corey Hubert, 431 West Main Street,
Oklahoma City.

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uh North Hudson uh just west of the um
courthouse, we have two uh commercial

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loading zone spaces. We'd like to have
those loading zone spaces replaced with

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government use vehicles only in order to
reduce the amount of blockages uh to our

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street car that's negatively affecting
embark customers and the community at

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large.

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» All right. Thank you very much, sir.
Do we have anybody else want to speak on

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5A?
Okay, staff. All right. In this

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particular case, the requested change is
going to eliminate a commercial loading

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zone in favor of parking for government
business adjacent to the Oklahoma County

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Courthouse. Um, you can see up on your
screen um a type of blockage that Mr.

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Hubert was referring to. So, in this
particular case, action is going to be

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at the direct at the discretion of the
commission. So, if the commission votes

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to remove the loading zone in favor of
the um reserve parking for government

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business, uh the commission's action on
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we'll need to take a uh an ordinance on
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government business parking zone. So,
I'm happy to answer any questions you

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might have on this request.
>> All right. Thank you. Do we have a

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motion concerning 5A?
>> I've got a question.

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» Yes, sir. Um, it doesn't affect my
support of it, but would these parking

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spaces be available to the physically
disabled if need be

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with a just a placard?
>> In this particular case, there they

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would be reserved for the use by
official government vehicles. Primarily,

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it'd be uh law enforcement or other
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» Okay. Can I have a motion concerning 5A?

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» Motion to approve.
>> Motion to approve by Commissioner Hail.

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Do we have a second?
>> Second.

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» Second by Commissioner George. Any
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» I just have a comment. I guess wondering
we're just changes from one type of

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parking to another. How is that going to
necessarily fix anything? Sarah,

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» you come up.

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Thank you for the question.
>> When we've gone out when there's been

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blockages of negatively affecting the
street car and the community, we've gone

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out there and it's typically a nonl law
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» that's parked over that line.
>> The idea is that the law enforcement

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agencies will follow those
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Good follow-up question. Yes, sir.
>> Another commercial loading zone. Where's

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the next closest one outside of this
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» There's commercial loading zones on Park
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north of the um museum.
Those are the two that ring the loudest

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bell in my head right now. I don't have
them all memorized.

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Well, just just to talk about it,
>> when it's a commercial loading zone, is

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that timelmited?
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» usually.
>> Not necessarily. It can be.

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» So, that's my first question. And the
second thing is if it's a commercial

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loading zone, usually it's probably a
larger vehicle.

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» Yeah.
>> Which would be, you know, some U-Haul or

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something. Yeah. Something big
>> that may not fit in that space and then

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therefore caused the blockage. Is this
probably the only commercial loading

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zone that is near one of your tracks?
>> Um, I don't have that information

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readily available. Um, it is one of our
most problematic.

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» Okay.
>> Uh, blockage areas by far

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» where where the train has to stop and
you got to call the call the law

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enforcement and then they do something
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» Correct.
>> What's the time? What's the time on

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that? Usually processed
30 minutes to an hour before you get it

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blocked. Usually, I mean, it depends on
if you can't find the owner,

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» local law enforcement, what they're
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» I doubt that
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blockage is the highest of their list of
priorities and they have

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» safety to be concerned with,
>> right? But but at some point they show

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up and then they do their process if I
remember right and then they call the

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wrecker and then the recorder's got to
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» So this is your your worst spot.
>> Correct. And as you can see in this

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image, it's not a delivery vehicle. It
was actually someone else that was

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parked there that was attending court.
>> So let me go back to my first question.

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Is this a timelimited commercial loan
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» No. Typically, uh, commercial loading
zones are set up so that they can be

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used for basically an indefinite period
of time so long as you're actively

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engaged in the use of the zone by moving
things in or out, but uh, they're not

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set up so someone can just bring a
commercial vehicle and park them in

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there without showing any signs of
activity. So, most of the zones, I

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think, in the downtown area are not
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And what you're seeing at this spot is
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So you just want to get rid of it.
>> Correct.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. I I've personally witnessed court

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reporters.
I've personally witnessed attendees of

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the court system.
I I cannot think of an instance where I

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saw a FedEx vehicle or a UPS vehicle or
any type of delivery vehicle utilizing

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it. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you very much, sir.

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» You bet.
>> Any other questions or comments on 5A?

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Yes, sir.
>> So, besides an obvious government

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vehicle like a police vehicle, what kind
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a government somebody, but it wasn't
necessarily a vehicle that had anything

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on it identifying that? Is there a decal
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They may have a they may have a
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times I've seen people leave like
business cards or other site forms of

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documentation to indicate that they're
they're on government business, but a

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lot of times for the most part you see
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» Okay.

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» All right. Any other talk on 5A?
>> Okay. We have a motion to approve 5A by

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Commissioner Hail, second by
Commissioner George. Votes, please.

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Item has passed with all five in favor.
We go on now to 5B. Caleb Morgan from

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Johnson and Associates. Uh the item is
up on the screen. Sir, if I can have

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your name and address, you got five
minutes.

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» Caleb Morgan, Johnson Associates, one
East Sheridan, uh Sweet 200, Oklahoma

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City. Thank you for hearing this item
this afternoon. Uh this is for uh to

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accompany on street parking on 10th
street u at the uh on the north side of

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10th street east of Dwey Avenue. And uh
I'm sorry it's actually on on Dewey

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Avenue north of 10th Street and uh this
is a company of development that's going

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on in that area. We're closing Classen
Drive uh for public use and there's

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development uh going just on the
southwest corner of Classen Drive and

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this will be accompanying parking that's
on 10th Street and on Dewey Avenue. Uh

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we appreciate staff working with us on
this item and make sure everything's up

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to code. Um if you have any questions,
I'd be happy to answer them.

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» All right. Thank you. Anybody else want
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Okay. Staff.
>> Okay. In in conjunction with a new

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development, the applicant is proposing
to build parking laybys on the east side

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of Dwey Avenue and a short one on the
north side of 10th Street. Uh the total

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number of spaces are going to be
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So at this point in time, the uh they're
still within the prescribed ratio for

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the number of accessible parking spaces
for the physically disabled to the total

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number of parking spaces on the block.
So action on the on the item will be at

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the discretion of the commission. And I
just want to note that at this time the

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applicant is not requesting any controls
to regulate use of the proposed parking

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spaces which will be built on the east
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side of 10th Street.
>> All right. Thank you. Do we have a

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motion concern in 5B?
>> Move for approval.

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» Move to approve by Commissioner
Littlefield. Do we have a second?

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» Second. Second by Commissioner Hail. Any
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» We have a motion. Oh yes, sir.
>> I just real quickly want to thank you

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for fulfilling all the requirements for
on behalf of the disabled citizens in

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our city with this space. It's great.
Thank you.

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» We appreciate it. We appreciate staff
working with us making sure we meet all

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those requirements.

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» All right. Any other talk on 5B? Okay.
We got a motion to approve 5B from

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Commissioner Littlefield, seconded by
Commissioner Hail. Votes, please.

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Item has passed with all five in favor.
We are now go to 5C. Ryan Mcanahham.

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You're going to have to help me on that.
uh HSSE Systems from Dos Brothers uh

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hallway stop control North Oklahoma
Avenue and Northeast 82nd Street. Sir,

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» Frank, I'll be speaking on behalf of
>> Oh, very good.

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» Speak uh to to the uh intersection.
>> Sure.

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Come on up. Oh, here we go. Hello.
>> Yep. So, I'm going to introduce and then

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uh they're going to add some uh some
local flavor from their experience out

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there. Uh so, this is the new
intersection uh at uh 82nd in uh

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Oklahoma, the half development there. Uh
the intersection itself has been in in

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place and functional for a few years
now, but just recently the south half

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connected from the south and tied in uh
an approach from the southside making a

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fourlane intersection that was a T3 or
sorry four approach system that was a T3

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approach intersection. Uh previously I
have some pictures here. We just went

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out and took some um I'll show you an
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that three approach. So no approach from
the bottom and this is the way it sits

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now. So they have a boulevard approach
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so it's a four lane or four approaches
intersection. Now um the way it was

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installed when it was the T intersection
was to have a single yield sign from the

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north. So that single um approach
without the without the uh one coming

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from the south just had a yield sign. It
was free flowing east and west. So, uh,

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Delissi's on the corner there and
they're they're here who's speaking in

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the, uh, in the, uh, northeast corner
over there. Uh, just some pictures of

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that area. So, we understand traffic,
uh, staff has done a great job doing

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analysis on this intersection. It
doesn't meet the warrants for a four-way

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stop. Uh, that's based on current counts
and current, uh, collisions. They do

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have some uh there has been a a
collision recently with an injury and

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they're going to speak to that and a few
other incidents they've had out on site.

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Uh this area is developing rapidly and
there's the ENQ that just went in

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recently uh in the south uh west corner
of that picture there and there's a

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school that's being developed. You can
kind of see the dirt moving on the

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southeast corner of that picture. Uh so
they're going to you're going to have a

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lot of new traffic and and some high
schoolers in that area too. So, the

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concern is also for the future um to
protect the the pedestrians and citizens

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in the area. So, that's why we're
requesting it an all-way stop. Um and

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we're going to have them talk on a few
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» Yes, sir. If I could have your name and
address, you'll have five minutes and

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then if you haven't filled out one of
these, fill it out when you're done,

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please.
>> We're good. My name is Kermit Frank. I'm

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with Deli at 8300 North Oklahoma Avenue.
I'm vice president of uh community and

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government relations there. Um
appreciate the opportunity to speak with

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you guys today. Really do. Um our
offices are located on that northeast

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corner of that intersection and um we
have nearly 175 of our 1,200 employees

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assigned there. We've been at that
location since 2021.

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And when we first moved in, we were
pretty isolated.

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Delicia has a strong safety culture and
our motto motto is safety always. So

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people have no problem uh speaking up
and telling us about things when they

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have an issue. So even being isolated,
we heard about numerous near misses and

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we had safety concerns for this
intersection going back to when it was a

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three-way.
Uh we submitted a request for an

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installation of a yield sign back in
2023.

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to help clarify the rightway so people
could understand what they're coming up

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to. Uh we didn't hear any response so it
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Fast forward to August of last year and
it's really hard for me to qu quantify

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to this commission um Mr. Chai how
appreciative we are of having Oklahoma

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Avenue open uh giving us true north
south access because we were captive to

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going north. Uh we just love it. We
really appreciate it. Thank you.

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However, almost immediately we began
getting reports from our people of near

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misses at this intersection and being a
four-way, they were dramatically

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different what we were hearing. And so
we submitted a request last September

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for a two-way stop
and that resulted in in the yield signs

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that we have now. Reports of near misses
have continued.

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However, I must say that when we got
notice last week that it was possible uh

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that we wouldn't get signs because we've
been telling everybody that gave us a

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near miss report. It's in the process.
We're working on it. Uh the the

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floodgates opened. I don't know. It's
impossible for me to tell you how many

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people have come to me and said, "I've
had a near miss." Folks that traveled

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here today on our behalf had near misses
on the way over here. Um, and I'll just

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say one of those includes my wife who
was coming to bring me something one day

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traveling west. Nearly got hit by a car
going north who didn't stop at the yield

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sign and she promptly called me and
said, "Do something about this. This is

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dangerous." So, she knows what I do and
thought that maybe I would have the

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chance. And so, thank you. I am here.
The most common theme I have found in

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the conversations that I've had with
people is that the yield signs are

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either being ignored and they just they
just aren't effective in this

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application. Uh most all of the concerns
and letters and documentation we have

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are about people going north and south.
So, I appreciate the time and effort of

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the of the people in the study, and it
seems to me a very good indicator of

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maybe a moment in time, but we're on the
cusp of explosive growth at 82nd in

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Oklahoma. I mean, we have a thriving
restaurant, a busy movie theater, an

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extremely popular entertainment venue in
Andredy, and a 300 unit apartment

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complex, not to mention another office
building. And most importantly, I think

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in just a few short months, we'll have
another business on the southwest

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corner. And in September, I just uh
attended the groundbreaking for another

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high volume entertainment
uh venue, uh the the Fieldhouse, which

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is going to be very cool. Uh but as
Caleb said, the one thing that's got me

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really really concerned is shortly
uh the opening of the new Bell Ale High

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School in 82nd is going to be an access
point for the high school and I was 16

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once upon a time. Anyway, in conclusion,
that intersection will never have less

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traffic than it has right now. And I
understand there's only been one

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accident and that's kind of one of the
triggers that it takes five to really

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establish criteria for something like
this. But I'd ask you please to grant

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this application for the four-way stop
so we can get a grip on this

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intersection and we don't have to come
back after four more and the possibility

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of some of our people getting hurt.
Anyway, thank you very much for your

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time and thank you very much for your
service to community serving on this

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commission. I appreciate it.
>> All right. Thank you very much, sir. Do

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we have anybody else want to speak on
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» All right, staff.
>> All right. You've got our comments

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before you. As you noted, um the
applicant had mentioned that this

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particular location presently does not
meet any of the MUTCD always stop

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control criteria. Uh the applicant has
provided a petition demonstrating local

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support for the traffic control change
they're seeking. So action on this item

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will be at the discretion of the
commission. I'm happy to answer any

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other questions you might have on this
application.

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» Thank you. Do we have a motion
concerning 5C?

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» Move to approve.
>> We have a motion to approve by

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Commissioner Wyn.
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» Second.
>> Second by Commissioner George. Any

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discussion?

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» Okay. Okay, we have a motion to approve
5C by Commissioner Wyn, seconded by

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Commissioner George, and we'll have our
votes here. That's my fault. Yep, please

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vote.

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It's green here.

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There we go. Item has passed. Would all
five in favor? Thank you.

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» Thank you. We go on now to 5C. Cara
Bowererman. Traffic signal at Northwest

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Pennsylvania Avenue and Northwest
198th Street.

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» Ma'am, if I could have your name,
address, you have up to five minutes.

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» Cara Berman, 2225 Northwest 198th
Street. Uh I'm a resident of the Lost

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Sonatada neighborhood and a school
counselor at H Heartland Middle School.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak
today. I'm also supported by a few

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neighbors and students um on this
initiative, if you don't mind smiling

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and waving,
including my head principal at H

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Heartland. This intersection has been a
growing safety concern for years, and

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the situation is only getting worse as
our area continues to grow. The

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population in northeast Oklahoma City
and far northwest Edund has increased

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dramatically and traffic on Pennsylvania
continues to rise every year. What may

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have once functioned as a temporary
solution simply is not keeping up with

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the volume of vehicles and student
walkers using that crosswalk today.

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Before the crosswalk was installed,
students were actually jaywalking across

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Pennsylvania get to get to school
because the only signalized crossing

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nearby was at 192nd Street nearly a mile
away. to address that problem. At the

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time, the county commissioner, Kevin
Cowie, helped facilitate the

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installation of the current crosswalk.
That effort was well-intentioned and

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necessary at the time, but the crosswalk
that was installed did not anticipate

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the growth that this area would
experience. Today, the crosswalk relies

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on small yellow LED lights that are
difficult for drivers to see, especially

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in the early morning hours and
especially since daylight savings time.

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Even when activated, yellow lights do
not clearly direct drivers to stop. They

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simply flash um when the AC activated
button is pushed, which many younger

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students forget to do. The crossing can
give students a sense of protection

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while drivers may not realize a child is
about to step into the road. When I

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first began working at H Heartland, I
walked to the school myself from my

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neighborhood and would often help
students cross at that intersection. I

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did I did that until I became pregnant
and did not feel comfortable risking it

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anymore. After that, members of our
school administration, including my

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principal, tried to help facilitate
traffic through the area in the

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mornings, but that eventually became a
liability. At one point, our school

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resource officer uh through Edund Police
Department attempted to help direct

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traffic, but but she ultimately had to
step away because that road fell under

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Oklahoma City jurisdiction. I don't
think we can real realistically expect

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Oklahoma City police officers to be
stationed at that intersection every

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morning to manage traffic on a school
day. To help illustrate what families

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and staff experience every day, I've
provided a handout, a large handout that

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includes testimony from parents,
teachers, and neighbors describing close

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calls near accidents and the difficulty
drivers have seeing students in the

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early morning hours. You will also find
copies of a news article that previously

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reported on the concerns surrounding
this intersection as well as a letter of

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support from the president of the H
Heartland Parent Organization who has

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served as a board president for Safe
Kids Oklahoma. Together, these

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perspectives reflect a broad community
concern about the safety of this

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crossing. Another challenge is that the
current crossing has created something

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of a false sense of security. Students
assume the lights will protect them, but

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drivers often do not notice them or do
not know how to respond. The result is a

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situation where children are stepping
into a roadway with fast-moving traffic

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and limited visibility. This issue also
affects traffic entering and leaving the

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neighborhood. Because many parents do
not feel comfortable allowing their

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children to use the crosswalk, they
instead drive to pick them up and park

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near the entrance of Loanada. That
creates additional congestion and unsafe

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condition conditions along Pennsylvania
as well as inside the neighborhood

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itself.
A prop a proper traffic signal

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would help regulate the increasing
vehicle traffic entering and exiting the

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neighborhood. The growth in this area is
not slowing down. New neighborhoods

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continue to develop and more families
are moving to this part of the city

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every year. The number of children and
vehicles using this crosswalk will only

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continue to increase. My daughter will
one day attend Frontier and Hartland and

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would use the same crossing. In its
current condition, I would never feel

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comfortable allowing her to cross there
alone. I believe every parent in our

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community deserves to feel confident
that their child can cross the street

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safely on their way to school. Thank you
for your time.

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» Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Anybody else want
to speak?

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» Please. Yes, sir. Let me have your name
and address and you'll have up to five

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minutes and when you're done, fill out
one of the green forms, please.

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» Evan Allen. I live at 1 19909
Adagio Lane. That's where 198

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uh meets Adia Lane where it comes off of
Penn. Uh I've occupied that home for 15

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years. I've seen the development. The
schools have happened. We're having an

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integrous
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nursing facility arriving on on the
previously uncluttered corner. There's a

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huge development behind the on uh the
Casey's gas station there. Um, and Karen

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never asked me to speak, but she's been
a a big factor in in all of this and and

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has lived and experienced it, as have I.
Too many events to to talk to. But

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sadly, people
grow worse and worse. We import more and

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more aliens from the Californiaiforns,
the Arkansass, the Texans, and who knows

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all where. So that all said,
I've lived for 29 years. We came to

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Oklahoma.
I lived in the city. My kids graduated

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from Patnham City North, so I've
experienced that. My grandchildren have

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graduated in the community, 26 and 13
year olds. And uh my wife and I have

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both served in state offices
in Wyoming and different places, lived

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in different cities. This has been the
worst intersection I've ever seen.

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Thanks for your time. Thanks for your
service. I know it's a thankless task.

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» All right.
>> And do you want me to

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» Yes, please fill out one of those forms.
Thank you very much. Anybody else want

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to speak? All right. You had your hand
up first, then I'll come to you. Okay.

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Name and address. You have five minutes
and fill out a form when you're done.

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» Okay. Allison Dearzky, 19616 Sonatina
Drive in Edmund/ Oklahoma City. Um, I am

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a parent. My son is not old enough for
the middle school yet. We still have

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about eight years till that. But I have
to turn left out of the neighborhood at

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peak time in the morning. And as Cara
mentioned, I have seen a lot of these

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near misses and problems. Um, I
appreciate the attempts at the crosswalk

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and its meaning and intention, but when
it's dark outside, you would think the

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lights are more visible, but the
children are not. So, I've seen the

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light activated and the child maybe the
first car closest to the side of the

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road will stop, but then the middle,
there's four lanes, so the two middle

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lanes might not stop. So, they will be
in the road and then have to look around

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a car to see if someone is flying down
Pennsylvania Avenue, not always in the

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um school zone speed limit. And so, I've
seen that. And then when they were

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trying to u mitigate the problem by
having someone direct traffic, turning

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left became impossible um because all of
the left turns out of the middle school

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will head south. And then when they let
that stop and they release the cars that

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had been blocked up, Pennsylvania would
all come and there would be no break. So

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it'd be a solid line. And so that wasn't
really working either. Um and going back

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to visibility, when they activate the
light during daytime, they don't the

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cars don't see the flashing light at
all. You might see the kid, but not the

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light, the vice versa. Um, so if it's
required for the students to walk

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because they're not within a busing
distance,

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keeping them safe is obviously our
primary goal. And so I appreciate Cara

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for bringing this to you and for you to
hear our plight and our worries. And I

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appreciate your consideration.
>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Ma'am, come on

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up.

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We'll have your name and address and you
have up to five minutes and then fill

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out a form.
>> My name is Rachel Sanders. I live at

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2209 Northwest 199th Street in Edmond.
Um I brought my daughter here. She's

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sixth grade at H Heartland and firsthand
experience. She's probably been almost

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hit by a car a handful of times this
year crossing in the morning. Um she

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doesn't like to walk but like we said we
don't have a bus stop. I mean a bus

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route. So, unfortunately, that's the
only way. Um,

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especially now that it's dark in the
morning, like they've said, you can't

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see those kids.
It's dangerous more than you guys

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realize. And my daughter's life is at
jeopardy at times, crossing to get to

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school. And I'm afraid something's going
to happen before something h before

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something gets done.
Um, I have more kids, you know, they're

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going to go to H Heartland and
it's it's just scary. It's scary.

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Definitely as a parent sending her
across that street and not knowing if

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I'm going to get that call that, hey,
there was an accident. She's told me one

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one day she crossed and she barely
missed getting hit. And one of the

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counselors at H Heartland had to like
come for her and be like, hey, you

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really got to watch out. She watches
out.

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00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:57,920
There's no way for her not like she
watches, she makes sure she crosses, she

415
00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:04,400
runs across that street and still barely
misses at times. So, I appreciate Cara

416
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:09,520
for bringing this up and I hope you guys
choose something. Thank you.

417
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:14,640
» Yes, ma'am. Anybody else want to speak
on 5D?

418
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:18,960
All right, staff.
>> All right, you got our comments before

419
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,800
you. Um, the commission last considered
a request for a traffic signal at this

420
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:28,320
particular location that was submitted
by Miss Powerman back in July of 2023.

421
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,079
That's a little bit of past history. Um,
we have done a complete signal warrant

422
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:36,800
analysis based on traffic volumes,
pedestrian volumes, school warrant

423
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:42,560
studies, and at this point in time, the
intersection currently does not meet any

424
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:49,119
of the signalization criteria for at
this particular location. Um,

425
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:53,280
a school crossing guard could be a good
would be a beneficial safety measure at

426
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:56,800
this location to have help kids get
across the street. But should the

427
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,560
traffic and transportation commission
approve the request for the signal, uh,

428
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:05,440
the approval needs to include roadway
widening for dedicated for a dedicated

429
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:10,880
northbound left turn lane on Penn for
safer left turn access to Northwest

430
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,480
198th Street. So, at this point in time,
action will be at the discretion of the

431
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:17,680
commission. I'm happy to answer any
questions you might have on the

432
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:23,640
application.
>> Thank you. Do we have a motion

433
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,640
concerning item 5D?

434
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,160
» Yeah, I've got So, it was in 2023 this
came up the same application.

435
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:34,720
» Yes.
>> And I assume it was denied.

436
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:39,839
» And did is that when we put in the the
school crossing guard instead?

437
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,440
» Well, no. I
>> Or not the crossing guard, but the the

438
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:45,680
» the school flashers. I think the flashes
were I think they were in place in

439
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,920
place.
>> Yeah. What was what I believe occurred

440
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:56,640
was the crossing was there
>> but the 25 mph school zone was closer to

441
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,839
the school
>> and one of the things we recommended was

442
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,040
move it.
>> We it did get moved back.

443
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:08,079
» Yes, it is. So
>> that there is traffic warning to say

444
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:10,160
slow down to 25 for school zone before
going northbound.

445
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,800
» Right.
>> We're there. That's the other way.

446
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:19,760
» Well, you know, obviously something
needs to be done here. 67 kids. That's a

447
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,760
lot crossing right there. Um on just
that one day, you know, and it it

448
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:29,599
doesn't say what the weather was. It
might even been a cold day. But uh um

449
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,720
so there, you know, there's a traffic
light, but then the other option

450
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:38,960
possibly um I guess is if you actually
do the the that doesn't just do the

451
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:43,920
flashing yellow, but actually puts a
stop light like over on 23rd, I believe,

452
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:49,040
a 23rd,
uh kind of in that re redone area, isn't

453
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,640
it? Where you hit it and it
>> by the theater,

454
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,079
» right? Yeah. And it actually has a stop
light.

455
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:57,280
» That's correct.
>> And for it lasts for a minute or two

456
00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:02,720
minutes or however long it lasts.
>> Good point.

457
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:07,280
» To get kids across. I mean, was that
you know the the fact that it doesn't

458
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:12,640
meet any criteria for a stoplight is one
thing, but um I think we definitely have

459
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:21,040
to soup up the safety factor there um in
my opinion. So I would be in favor of

460
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:24,400
the stoplight or the crossing stoplight.
Is that something we can change on the

461
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,520
field or is that have to be a new
application?

462
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:31,760
» At this particular location, it's at an
intersection. So, the best traffic

463
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:36,320
control would be for a full signal.
>> Okay. I'll I'll move approval for a full

464
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,320
signal with widening for the left turn
lane.

465
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:47,200
» Okay. We have a motion to approve 5D
from Commissioner George with the

466
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:51,359
recommendation from staff.
>> Yes. Do we have a second for 5D?

467
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:57,520
» Second.
>> Second by Commissioner Littlefield.

468
00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:00,800
» Okay. Comments. Good sir. One of the
problems I have with that is they're

469
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,079
still going to be walking across the
street unattended

470
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:09,599
where if you had a crossing guard to
regulate

471
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:14,640
to help them, especially the younger
kids, uh it seems like a crossing guard

472
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,240
for this situation would be more
effective, like I say, because you're

473
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,480
still going to have your kids crossing
the street unattended. And I'm afraid

474
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:27,680
that it may just lead to more of these
near misses where if they had a crossing

475
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:32,320
guard, an adult there to help them
across the street, it seemed like that

476
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:38,680
would be more of a safe avenue than
trusting the young children especially

477
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,680
to uh trust the lights.

478
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:47,520
» Okay. Would you like to make a comment?
police state.

479
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:52,240
» Um, whenever I was participating in
helping kids cross, um, we we were not

480
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:57,599
given permission from our district
safety coordinator to put a crossing

481
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:03,200
guard there. So, I was crossing the
street 60 times

482
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:08,000
» to help kids cross. Um, but I stopped
cuz I was almost getting hit as well

483
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:12,480
when and I had become pregnant.
>> Why Why wasn't it approved?

484
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:15,680
» Why wasn't it approved? I'm not sure. It
was Mike Johnston is our district safety

485
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,040
coordinator. I don't know if it's
because it's Oklahoma City Road and it's

486
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:21,359
Edund public schools.
>> Um

487
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,280
» Edund students.
>> I'm not sure. I'm I I think I mean I

488
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:29,119
think it was necessary. My principal
does, but um every time we've tried to

489
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:33,119
get out in that that road, we've been
deterred by district.

490
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:34,720
» All right. So, as far as the crossing
guard,

491
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:42,400
» Mhm.
>> we all we all think we know that the

492
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:49,119
process is the school puts in a request
and then the Oklahoma City funds it. The

493
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:52,880
Oklahoma City has a funding for it. They
do the you do the training for the

494
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,240
crossing guard, provide them all the
gear, and they get paid and they do

495
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:03,760
their work. But in this situation, it's
a school from outside of our is Have you

496
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:09,760
ever heard of that one before? Is that
one that we need to have legal maybe

497
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:17,760
provide us counsel? If you could look
into it maybe to say, "Hey, uh, it is

498
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:22,880
Oklahoma City kids on an Oklahoma City
road, but it they're walking to an

499
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:30,240
Edmond school.
Uh, who would is it okay for the city to

500
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:35,680
go ahead and pay for the because
do does Oklahoma City pay the person or

501
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:39,440
does the school district gets the money
for it and then they the school district

502
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,680
pays? Do you know
>> it's split between the police

503
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:45,960
department?
>> But who actually pays the person?

504
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,079
» See,
>> it comes from the city. The

505
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:54,880
» funding is split but the check comes
from the city.

506
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:58,160
» Check come from the city.
>> Okay.

507
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:01,599
» And we the city supervises them, right?
>> They have authority through city

508
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:03,760
ordinance to be a crossing guard,
>> right?

509
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,800
» Those are city employees.
>> Okay.

510
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:10,480
» Part time.
>> And it has you would would you in a in a

511
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:15,599
layman's way think there'd be no problem
because the they're actually going to a

512
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,240
different school in a different city. It
doesn't m do you think that matters?

513
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,599
I think it matters in that the process
is different this time and so it's

514
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,520
harder to get those channels moving in
the same direction.

515
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,319
» Okay. So,
>> it's usually requested by the school

516
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,000
district being that it's an Edmond
school district. It's not there's no

517
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:37,839
request process in place.
>> Yeah. But we have

518
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:41,119
» we have in Oklahoma City what 11 school
districts in our city.

519
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,160
» I mean
>> more than that I think.

520
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,280
» Yeah. Well, school district you count
all the different ones.

521
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:55,359
» I think there's more. So
I I would ask the staff counselor's

522
00:43:50,560 --> 00:44:00,079
office in the uh in the PD to let's look
at that. Can we get a hold of admin and

523
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,839
say okay we can have a crossing guard
there. You just have to submit a letter.

524
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Hey, we'd like to have a crossing guard
or do we even need that? Can we just

525
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:16,400
say there is one? I I don't know
>> how how to work this. I think we can

526
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:18,880
work together and
>> at least get an answer one way or the

527
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,359
other, right?
>> Whether it's appropriate for there to be

528
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:25,680
a crossing guard there.
>> But I think that's that's a a short poll

529
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:32,800
that that we can work because once you
would have the process and we identify a

530
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:37,839
person who would want to do it, get the
training done. You know, I'm not saying

531
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:42,400
it's a tomorrow thing, but it's a short
poll. We could get that done pretty

532
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,319
quick and get somebody out there this
school year. pro possibly

533
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,960
» you'd be able to do that probably
quicker than to be able to fund the

534
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,599
light.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The funding of light

535
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,920
is years out.
>> No, we'll talk about that in a little

536
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:58,240
bit.
>> Yeah. You know, so

537
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:02,240
» but but but as far as short polls,
>> that's the first one. So if we could

538
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,440
take that as an action to try to find a
way to get a crossing guard there. So

539
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,319
that's the first thing. Somebody in a
vest with a sign

540
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:17,359
» and say stop. could even help the cars
coming out of the neighborhood. You

541
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:22,880
know, just keep everything organized in
that area. So, that's the first point I

542
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:28,160
I have. The second one is you mentioned
that the Oklahoma City uh resource

543
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:33,440
officer eventually said he couldn't do
that. So my question to you, Captain, is

544
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:40,720
is there a reciprocal where they
actually could go uh 100 yards into OK

545
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:45,839
Oklahoma City and do that process? As
she said that he said that he couldn't.

546
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:48,160
» It's problematic. Their their score
resource officer would be an Edund

547
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,560
police officer,
>> right?

548
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:55,599
» And for an Edund police officer to enter
Oklahoma City limits and try to enforce

549
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:59,119
any sort of traffic action or write a
ticket to some driver, it's impossible.

550
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:02,640
Um,
>> so, so the reciprocal is only when

551
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,440
emergencies and
>> I would expect a driver to respect the

552
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,960
authority of an Edmond police officer
even though they were so close to the

553
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:12,720
boundary line there. However, the Edmond
police officer does not have the

554
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,920
authority to issue a citation in our
city limits. So there's there's no

555
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:20,160
follow through on the authority.
>> Well, and also put them at risk

556
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,319
» for they are at risk for trying to
enforce things when they don't have

557
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,680
jurisdictional authority.
>> That's what I'm saying. So that's a true

558
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:29,200
statement probably from the resource
officer. I think that the resource

559
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,760
officer is doing the right thing by not
trying to enforce traffic in Oklahoma

560
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:37,440
City.
>> Okay. Uh so I wanted to clarify that to

561
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:43,280
make sure because that's a next day
thing that could be fixed right away. So

562
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:49,359
if you maybe you could just ask if maybe
they could find if there is a way just

563
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,599
check to make sure there is no way
>> for Edund PD to enforce traffic

564
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,920
ordinance in Oklahoma City.
>> No.

565
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:01,040
» Within 100 yards of Edund? Okay.
>> Well, you know, just to make sure that

566
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:07,119
that's right because if if there is a
way that legal and everybody agrees that

567
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:11,040
they could be sit there and do
something,

568
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:14,319
if it could, then that could be a really
short poll.

569
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:19,119
» So,
is Penn a completely a city Oklahoma

570
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:23,440
City street?
>> Uh, could you call up where the map is

571
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:29,440
of the
>> Yes. And it stops. It goes

572
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,640
» is the crosswalk in Oklahoma City.
>> Yes.

573
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,960
» Yeah. The crosswalk's in Oklahoma City
down here.

574
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:42,359
And there's Edmond right there. So, it's
about 100 yards.

575
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,359
» That blue green.

576
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:50,720
» Now, county would be, but then they're
not the resource officer for that

577
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:54,079
school. County. It's it's a city. Okay.
>> And then the third one, and it was

578
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,960
mentioned how dark it is there. Is there
a street light at that intersection?

579
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:00,800
» No, sir.
>> Okay. How do we ask for a street light

580
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,960
to be put at that corner?
>> I believe you just did.

581
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:10,319
» Okay. So, we're going to put in a have
the city put in a request to OG& to

582
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:13,680
install street light there for the
darkness times.

583
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:19,760
Uh they they usually just put one at a
corner

584
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:26,880
» and you would think probably on the
corner of the of the uh crosswalk

585
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:32,800
» and those LED lights that they use now
are very bright.

586
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:36,559
» So So we have a request for lighting to
help something as soon as possible. Of

587
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:41,760
course, we're getting into the point
now, but get into next year when it gets

588
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:49,280
really dark in the mornings uh to be
able to have that. We're looking into uh

589
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:54,960
can Edmond come into Oklahoma City.
We're looking into that. And then the

590
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:59,680
last thing was I forgot it.
The crossing guard.

591
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:04,559
» Yes. of how to how to pay for a crossing
guard that's in our area but supporting

592
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,079
a school from outside the area.
>> Okay.

593
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,240
» Okay. So, we're working on those three
things.

594
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:12,240
» I I do want to point out visibility for
a crossing guard might be difficult. I I

595
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:18,880
think you can see it in some of the
photos. The cars pull up right to to the

596
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:23,359
crosswalk. Some even are parked on um
the crosswalk if they're waiting. And so

597
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:29,040
whenever I've walked home before, if all
the cars are waiting, I kind of have to

598
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:33,280
like peek around to the next like lane.
Um, so I think a crossing guard is

599
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:38,640
great, but in the way that it it is
painted on the road now, visibility is

600
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:42,960
tough for any human.
>> Okay. Uh,

601
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:46,240
» will they have flag? They will have some
type of signage to

602
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,680
» they have to stop sign.
>> I mean, they they won't just be jumping

603
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:51,359
out there. They'll have some type of
warning.

604
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,760
» Okay.
>> And then uh does the crosswalk need to

605
00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:01,760
be reainted?
>> I think so with just more direction.

606
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:05,599
» Okay. So, if we could have them look to
see if it's faded out and needs to be

607
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:09,680
reainted. Just things that we could do
now.

608
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:13,599
» Yes. I appreciate any typical road
paints that say crosswalk ahead or

609
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,920
anything as somebody's driving up toward
it or are we solely dependent on just

610
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:22,559
those light? Well, and then we have the
crosswalk sign.

611
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:28,640
» Yeah, there's there's that. And there's
um there are school zone flashers on the

612
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:32,720
approach to it.
>> And are those activated at the right

613
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:36,000
times? Are there sequences correct on
the timing because those could be

614
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:40,720
adjusted?
>> That's a great question. So, um kids

615
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,599
start walking to school probably at you
think like 6:50 7, but the lights don't

616
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:51,680
go on until 7:10. And so there are kids
crossing when the speed limit is 40.

617
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:55,760
» Okay. So let me clarify. I believe the
the actual school gets on a website and

618
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,440
adjusts those times.
>> No, the school will send us uh

619
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:02,319
information on crossing times when they
want the flashers to be activated.

620
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,280
» Okay,
>> that's how we work that.

621
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:09,200
» And then even for holidays, they send
you a note say please turn them off for

622
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:11,839
» We typically get an annual schedule.
>> Okay,

623
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:18,480
» so like right now the the flasher should
be deactivated for spring break. Okay.

624
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,839
» So, they need the school to contact you
or Okay.

625
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,760
» Okay.
>> So, the school needs to You just need to

626
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:27,200
let them know what time people start
crossing and when it should be

627
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,480
activated. Okay.
>> Good. All right. We're just trying to

628
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:33,280
make it as safe as possible. I
appreciate it so much.

629
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:38,079
» Know what we have.
>> Now, zone was extended the last time I

630
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:42,240
requested this is because it used to be
so Frontier Elementary was built first.

631
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:45,839
School zone was put in for Frontier.
Then Hartland was built a few years

632
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,920
later and the school zone wasn't moved
to compensate. Um and so that that has

633
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:54,480
helped um
>> for responsible drivers, but there there

634
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,720
are still cars flying through there
probably up to 60 miles per hour.

635
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,400
» Okay. And then while we're still
talking,

636
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:08,880
uh a signal light, as it was mentioned
in the staff re report, would require a

637
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:16,240
a widening of the road to put a a left
turn lane there. And also we just did a

638
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:21,760
general obligation bond which goes out
for about 10 years and all that bond has

639
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:26,720
been allocated.
And so we're so you're talking a very

640
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,760
long-term process before it could get
in.

641
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:34,079
» Right.
>> But I always recommend to the applicant

642
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:40,079
you have a city council person and the
city council allocates funds. We don't.

643
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:45,599
We just say okay we we want a light. we
want this and it goes into the system,

644
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:51,200
the staff system, and the staff gets
counsel by the city council. So, if this

645
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:57,200
gets approved
>> and it's something that uh $250,000

646
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,800
project,
that's a long time before it's going to

647
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:05,599
get done. That's why I'm trying to get
all these things cleared up as much as

648
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:10,160
we can. But if you think it's such a big
priority,

649
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:13,280
then your council person needs to know
that that it's a big priority for you.

650
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,760
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Then you go from there.

651
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:22,160
» See what they can do.
>> Is it legal to I mean $250,000 is a lot.

652
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:26,559
Would it be legal to fund raise at H
Heartland or Frontier to help move this

653
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,240
process along?
>> Yes.

654
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,640
» Cool.
>> Yeah. there there's neighborhoods and

655
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:35,839
and areas and shopping centers that that
the the developer or the neighborhood

656
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:39,440
helps fund
>> to make it move quicker. So, there there

657
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:45,359
are ways to do that. I would definitely
get with your city council person

658
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:48,480
» and or our city council person and um
let them know, you know, that you're

659
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:51,520
going to try to fund raise to that you
guys really think you need it.

660
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,920
» That helps move things along.
>> Okay.

661
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,680
» But but it is it could be a 10-year
project. That's why this the crossing

662
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:01,040
guard was a great idea for now, you
know, because it could be even in the

663
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,839
quickest it's going to be a year or two.
>> Okay. So,

664
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:08,480
» yeah. No, I appreciate the thoroughess
very much. I'm learning a lot.

665
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,400
» I had a whisper in my ear. It's probably
close to a million.

666
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:14,319
» Okay.
>> Yeah, it's Yeah,

667
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:17,920
» I was talking 40 year ago money. No.
>> Yeah, it's a lot.

668
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,920
» It it it's probably it's probably a very
big number.

669
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,599
» So,
>> quick question on that point.

670
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,200
» Yes, sir.
>> So, the recommendation was for widening.

671
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:29,359
Can you explain why we would want some
winding on this one? Because there's not

672
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:33,440
really left turning accidents that we're
worried about. There's not rear ends

673
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,319
happening there that so proportionately
that we would say, "Oh boy, we really

674
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,079
need to separate the left turners out of
the through movement." This is really to

675
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,680
try to stop people from going through
there quickly. I don't know if a

676
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,040
widening is needed. I guess I'm not
understanding it.

677
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:51,680
Well, I can I can tell you that just
about on every application where we've

678
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:56,240
had where a traffic signal was installed
without roadway widening, almost from

679
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:00,559
the day the signal gets turned on, we
start getting basically calls and

680
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:04,720
requests for turn signals because they
can't make a left turn. Then we get

681
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:10,720
asked to modify signal phasing to
accommodate left turns. Um when we did

682
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:16,079
the 2017 general obligation bond, the
majority of projects in the uh in

683
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:21,280
Proposition 3, which was for traffic
control, was to do widening projects at

684
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:25,599
roadways where traffic signals had been
installed, but left turn lanes had not

685
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:29,680
been included. So,
>> and I completely get everyone wants the

686
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,800
Cadillac when they get Cadillac, right?
>> I think you guys want something that's

687
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:37,920
functional as soon as possible. with
that. I think honestly the cost of just

688
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:41,920
the signals is closer to that that 250
number when you do the widening and you

689
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:46,559
have to go buy right away have to move
utilities and then you start ballooning

690
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:50,000
the cost up and it's scope creep and
it's not only just money, it's time.

691
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,119
It's going to take an extra four or five
years to get through the project

692
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:57,599
development process to get to the point
of being able to do the roadway

693
00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:02,240
improvements. you start now you're at 15
years before you're starting to see the

694
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,839
improvements as opposed to if you can go
figure out where signals can go in there

695
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,440
do some sue analysis to see where you're
not going to be hitting some utilities

696
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:13,040
you can go put some foundations in
tomorrow technically not with we don't

697
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,240
have the money but if we have the money
put foundations in now get that set up

698
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:20,880
with the cabinet and they'd be
operational without having to go buy

699
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:25,119
right away and move utilities so yes it
won't function as great as something

700
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:30,559
with those left turn bays but it would
function a lot faster and be a lot more

701
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:33,520
cost effective.
>> Well,

702
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:37,520
» remind everyone that the only place to
turn left that's not out of the

703
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:41,359
neighborhood is going northbound on Penn
and there is the right lane that someone

704
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,920
could get around if somebody's turning
left. When you're heading south there on

705
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:50,559
Penn, there's nowhere to turn left. It's
a because it's essentially a three-way,

706
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:55,040
» right? So we turn left into the
neighborhood all the time every day

707
00:56:52,799 --> 00:57:01,520
without a light and it's it doesn't
block up traffic. So just I appreciate

708
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:06,880
you saying why do we have to widen?
>> Well and alter alternatively the uh if

709
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:12,000
this is for a school crossing purpose
the school uh students don't have to

710
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:15,760
cross at 198 street. If they wanted to
cross at a location north of that, then

711
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:20,319
you could put then you could put in a
signal and not have to put worry about

712
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:25,599
any roadway widening. So, say like the
crossing was located pretty much at the

713
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:30,880
uh Oklahoma County, Edund, and Oklahoma
City limits, a uh a standard crossing

714
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,160
just for pedestrian activity could be
installed. And that would not

715
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,599
» solve a lot of problems having the
resource officer being able actually go

716
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,400
police that then too.
>> It would be closer to the school.

717
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:45,599
So
>> you'd have to build a sidewalk.

718
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:50,160
» Yeah. So what you're saying is we build
a sidewalk on the left side on the west

719
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:57,680
side
>> up to the green line where the county is

720
00:57:54,319 --> 00:58:02,559
and put the crosswalk there. And then we
could do like the 23rd Street crosswalk

721
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:08,720
by the theater where it's just a push a
button and it turns a red light. Your

722
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:13,680
concern is if we do that there because
it's an intersection it creates traffic

723
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:20,319
flow problems. Who has a right away when
it's red light and yada yada. So that's

724
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,720
a solution. Do you see what we're saying
ma'am?

725
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:29,599
» Do you see what we're saying?
>> Yes. Go all the way to Coell. build a

726
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:36,559
sidewalk to go north on the west side of
the road and put the crosswalk up there

727
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:43,599
right at the school
where it's Edmond right down. No, down

728
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:47,839
» down right there. Yeah.
>> Put a light there.

729
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,880
» Well, then you could put Now that's not
a road, is it? That's just the entrance

730
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,680
to the school.
>> Yes. That's car drop off.

731
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,079
» Yeah, that's the entrance to the school.
It's not a road.

732
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,680
» It's on the south side of the school.
Yes.

733
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,559
» Right. But it's not a road.
>> It's not a road.

734
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:08,319
» Street road. Okay. So, what we're saying
is

735
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:16,960
have the students walk up on the west
side of the road going north and then

736
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:21,520
put an a stop light activated crosswalk
like we have on 23rd Street by the Tower

737
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,680
Theater. Is that what it's called? Mhm.
>> And we put that in as a midblock

738
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:29,839
crossing where it actually stops
traffic.

739
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:35,119
And that way you could do that. And And
how much

740
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:38,400
less expensive is that than you know
>> that would be considerably less

741
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:42,400
expensive because you'd only need two
signal poles for a project like that,

742
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:47,280
» right? And I thought that was like
150,000 when they asked for an amount

743
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:51,200
and then the city because we were going
to split it. You remember that they had

744
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:53,200
that they were going to pay half and we
were going to pay half and then the city

745
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,799
ate it.
>> Yeah. I would guess it would probably be

746
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,920
200,000 maybe a little bit less than
that for

747
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:02,119
» Okay.
>> a midblock type crossing

748
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:09,960
» just a second. Yeah. Just a second. Just
a second. Second. Let's let them finish

749
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,960
up here.

750
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:19,119
» Actually, I think that sidewalk is in
place already. You just have to have a

751
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:22,160
landing that would come up to back up to
pin.

752
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:27,440
» We need
Do you have a picture of that area

753
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,440
closer that we can zoom in on? There we
go.

754
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:34,160
» Is that a sidewalk going up that way?
>> Yeah.

755
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,920
» So, there already is a sidewalk up to
that spot.

756
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:43,280
» On the left side, it needs to be
extended. That's somebody that's

757
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:47,839
farmland. That's not the neighborhood,
>> but right at the end of that sidewalk.

758
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:50,480
Right at the end of the sidewalk, that's
where we we put the crossing

759
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,799
» is where it would be put.
>> Oh, on our propert

760
01:00:53,359 --> 01:01:02,400
Yeah. Right there.
>> Right across there to the sidewalk.

761
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:08,079
» Okay. And then we could do a a
walker activated stop stop light which

762
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:12,640
would cut down the cost.
>> Mhm.

763
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:19,119
» And uh only be used when it needs to be
used and it wouldn't require and it

764
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:26,240
would move all that
energy closer to the school where it

765
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:29,760
could be managed better. probably
>> the only concern is that would make it

766
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:35,760
even harder for parents to turn left out
of the school onto 10 because it'll

767
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:39,440
block up traffic when it gets activated
and then those cars will start going and

768
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,920
then the cars will never get out of the
school.

769
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:50,200
» Well, you're not talking a whole lot of
distance. What's that about 150 yards?

770
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,200
If that

771
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:57,200
and Edund PD could probably enforce your
resource officer to go out and help.

772
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:02,799
Again, this is not anything that would
happen today

773
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:06,319
and it would be an option to the to the
signal light and we'd have to ask

774
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:11,599
council, do we need to can we modify
down to something like this?

775
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:17,760
Well, it might be problematic with Open
Meeting Act because we we posted notice

776
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:18,799
about action being taken at 198th and
Penn.

777
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:23,680
» Okay.
>> And I mean, I know it's close, but it is

778
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:28,559
a different intersection, a different
area. There could potentially be other

779
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,599
people interested in in that question.
>> No, that's a good point.

780
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,680
» We wouldn't be I don't think we'd be
able to pro approve that today, but it

781
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:41,920
certainly is an option that could be
brought back. So, we could press on with

782
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:47,680
this item. Let's say it gets approved.
We all know that that's a 10-year out

783
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:52,319
thing for a for a million-doll project.
Then the staff could maybe look at a

784
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:58,480
cost thing and see if there's effort
available from the city to maybe move

785
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:01,920
something up. It see, you know, it could
start the process of looking at

786
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,160
different options.
>> Okay.

787
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:10,400
And we're already looking at some
short-term options and we could maybe

788
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:13,599
look at a long-term option other than a
signal light there

789
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:18,079
» and look at
>> I think it's a good idea.

790
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:20,480
» Okay. Do you have any more input on
this?

791
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:24,200
» Yes, sir.
>> Please come up to the mic.

792
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:30,480
» Just wait. Just wait a second. Come up
to the mic.

793
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:36,240
» Now I'll talk. Uh, I'd like to reinforce
that idea because the problem is that

794
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:42,480
the people coming from the county are
growing in number daily and they drive

795
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:48,160
faster and faster like Cara said up to
50 and 60 miles an hour and they don't

796
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:54,480
care whether the cars are stationary
from 192nd to 206th trying to get into

797
01:03:52,240 --> 01:04:01,280
the school. They come speeding through
there. It's a 40 mile per hour zone and

798
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:06,880
there's ve very little distance between
that. They come racing up and down

799
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:13,039
actually. But the morning is the biggest
hazard with dropping children from the

800
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:18,160
right. The cars are parked stationary.
They park across the pedestrian

801
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:24,480
crossing. So everybody has to determine
that poor God will be his life will be

802
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:28,319
at risk or the person's life will be at
risk with every child that he takes

803
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:33,839
across there because nobody obeys the
law. They come racing down there at that

804
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:40,319
speed with all the traffic congestion on
the right hand side. So nobody's moving

805
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:48,480
here. And just bit just south of the the
image there's two communities where

806
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:52,720
people need to enter and exit. So that
whole stretch where they're also going

807
01:04:49,920 --> 01:05:00,160
to squeeze the integrous
uh clinic that's opening in a month's

808
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:05,760
time. Um paint has got to be less than a
million dollars. There's lots of

809
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:12,240
opportunity to put bold
paint on the roads.

810
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:19,359
By slowing the traffic down to 25 miles
an hour where they supposed to do it

811
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:26,559
would help. They would be moving more
slowly in that section. They've just

812
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:33,839
recently come along and stuck a big 40
mph sign as you exit to go south.

813
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:37,599
that could even be it visible there with
a shadow

814
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:46,720
saying okay you've passed the school
zone you can do 60 miles an hour um and

815
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:51,359
uh it it's just treacherous
>> thanks for having

816
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,359
» thank you sir you had a comment I
believe

817
01:05:52,960 --> 01:06:00,640
» just point of interest there's a a
midblock pedestrian crosswalk that was

818
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:06,400
installed more recently than 23rd on
Northwest 63rd

819
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:11,200
» between Western and what would that be?
Western Avenue and Grand Boulevard. You

820
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:18,240
» I think it's between Western and Grand.
>> Could could be a good cost study there.

821
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:21,200
» All right. All right. Any other talk on
item 5D?

822
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,039
» Yes, sir.
>> So, definitely supportive of something

823
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:29,440
needs to be done here
>> with us talking about the idea of moving

824
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:33,200
the crosswalk up north a little bit. Is
this something that we could look at

825
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:36,720
deferring action on this item until next
month while we are looking into what we

826
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:41,440
need to do as far as open meeting act
requirements to maybe bring something on

827
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:44,640
that instead or what what's the
procedural process here?

828
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:50,000
» Well, what are you looking at wanting to
do by moving it? I mean moving a

829
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:53,440
crosswalk is a simple process. Moving a
crosswalk and putting up a signal light

830
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:56,480
is a little different,
>> right? And if we are approving the

831
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,240
lights right now and then we're going to
talk about moving the crosswalk up to

832
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:04,400
the north, does that make sense to have
the crosswalk separated from the signal

833
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:10,160
lights that we'd be approving today?
>> Well,

834
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:14,880
let's say after a year or two, it's
determined that the best option is a

835
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:21,839
signal crosswalk
and move to that area. Then a motion

836
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:28,480
comes up and we just cancel the light at
that place and

837
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:32,640
make and approve that to occur
as a midblock crossing.

838
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:37,839
» Am I Am I right?
>> Yeah. I mean, the the commission could

839
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:41,680
undo a previously approved action,
>> right?

840
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:46,559
This would just be a a long-term poll
put in the system

841
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:51,760
and then if something better comes up
that's a least cost effective something

842
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:58,880
could be done quicker maybe
>> uh then we would just undo what we did.

843
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:02,480
» Well, and to reiterate, supportive of
doing something here. much more

844
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:07,280
supportive of not including the widening
to make that long pole a little bit

845
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:10,960
shorter so that potentially a bake sale
could happen or something that could

846
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:14,240
help fund this a little bit faster with
the partnership with the city.

847
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:18,960
» Right.
>> Right. For and for us to uh consider a

848
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:22,799
midblock c signalized midblock crossing
to the north of 198 street would need to

849
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,920
just get a revised request from the
applicant.

850
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:29,440
» Yeah.
But we would want to know is that

851
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:34,159
something that we would want is that
something that would work

852
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:39,759
and then like we said work with your
with your council person to make to get

853
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:46,000
their buy in because they can go hey
maybe find a smaller number easier than

854
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:52,400
a bigger number.
Okay. Any other talk on item 5D? I've

855
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:58,159
got a question on
>> on on pin kind of this whole new north

856
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:03,440
pin new in the last 10 years 15 years
but um are there any intersections that

857
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:10,239
have lights that don't have the turn or
on May that don't have that center that

858
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:12,719
center left turn lane or they all
because they're almost all fairly new

859
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,080
intersections
>> just about all new intersections come

860
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,199
with turn lanes
>> so that you don't you can't think of any

861
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:22,080
that are on here
Well, there there are a lot of existing

862
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,159
intersections.
>> Yeah.

863
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,600
» That were constructed, you know, further
in the past that will have like no turn

864
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,640
lanes
>> and some will function all right, but

865
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:35,199
others I mean, when you look at the size
of the development on the west side of

866
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:39,199
Pennsylvania Avenue now, and there's
room for additional development to occur

867
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:43,359
further to the west, uh this would
probably be a location where we would

868
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:48,080
get a call for
>> to add a left turn

869
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:52,000
» for widening. Okay. Well, you make a lot
of sense with what you're saying though.

870
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:55,360
So,
>> yes, ma'am.

871
01:09:52,880 --> 01:10:01,120
» I was gonna say over on Danforth, not
far from us between um Penn and Western,

872
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:05,520
the Danforth Farms neighborhood has a
four-way flashing stop that is just now

873
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:09,679
getting a light, but has been flashing
stop signs for at least eight years that

874
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:13,199
I've been here. So, there is one that
didn't have turn lanes.

875
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,280
» That's correct. That's correct with the
that signal went in without turn lanes

876
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:21,199
and that's because the uh the amount of
earth work that would be required and

877
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:27,920
the and the size of the retaining walls
which would be necessary to widen um 100

878
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:32,640
or 192nd Street at that location. It' be
pretty staggering because uh the

879
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:41,280
properties that are on this especially
on the south side of 192nd Street sit

880
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:47,679
considerably higher than 192nd itself.
Okay. Any other talk on 5D?

881
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:52,239
» Just real quick, the concerns I and I
hate to go back to this, but the concern

882
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:58,719
I have is that if you really got people
willing to go through a 25 mph zone, the

883
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:04,320
school zone at 60 m hour, we need some
officers on the scene to slow people

884
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:09,760
down. The other thing is I'm want I hate
to go back to it, but I personally would

885
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:15,040
prefer to have an adult escorting
children across Pennsylvania Avenue. If

886
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:21,920
I would really like to see y'all pursue
that because if your drivers on the

887
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:26,400
north pin are that inattentive to pay
attention to a speed zone, I'm not sure

888
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:33,360
how attentive they're going to be to uh
trying to get through a light quickly.

889
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:38,159
Uh it just seems like that an adult
cross crossing guard would be the most

890
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:42,800
effective way to make sure the kids get
across safely.

891
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:47,760
» All right. So, Captain, could you put
the word out to that sector to please go

892
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:51,040
look at this area and monitor it as best
as they can?

893
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:56,719
» All right. Thank you very much, sir.
Okay. Any more for 5D?

894
01:11:54,159 --> 01:12:00,480
We have a motion to approve 5D from
Commissioner George to include the

895
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:04,719
recommendation from staff seconded by
Commissioner Littlefield. Who votes,

896
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:09,760
please?
>> And just real quick before I vote, so if

897
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:14,159
we vote yes on this and it has the staff
recommendation, would that preclude us

898
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:18,400
from funding signals if it didn't
include widening?

899
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:22,560
» We could always change things. We can
change it, but is there a reason why we

900
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:26,000
wouldn't just say let's fund it with
let's approve it right now without the

901
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:31,440
required widening and if it needs
widening in the future that doesn't even

902
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:36,159
have to come to this board, does it?
>> No. No, it would not. I mean, if if the

903
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:40,400
intersection is signalized, it can be
modified at any time after that. So long

904
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:44,400
as the traffic signal is maintained. I
mean, turn lanes can be added whether

905
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:50,320
left or right turn. It doesn't require
any further action by this body.

906
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:55,360
» Yeah. But it's it's city policy. It's
city not policy but

907
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:58,239
» norm city norm that
>> best design practice.

908
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:02,800
» Best design practice. Anytime you put in
a signal light, you put a left turn.

909
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:06,320
» Yeah. I I do want to make sure mention
that as you put that left turn in,

910
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,280
you're just increasing the distance that
those people have to walk as well across

911
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:12,640
that street.
>> Right. And we provide adequate

912
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:17,520
pedestrian clearance time for the for
the additional roadway width.

913
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:19,920
Well, and completely understand. Just
because there's more time doesn't mean

914
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,000
that someone doesn't run a red light and
hit and still.

915
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,640
» Exactly.
>> The best design in the world will not

916
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,280
preclude someone from running a red
light.

917
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:31,760
» Completely agree. Just it seems odd that
we couldn't just approve the signals by

918
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:34,880
themselves and then if widening is
necessary in the future, we figure out

919
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:37,920
the widening that goes through,
especially as you work with communities

920
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:42,560
to see if that's something that's
actually an issue in the future. again

921
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:46,000
very supportive of I'm about to vote yes
on this but I just wanted to talk

922
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:49,040
through that because right now what
we're saying is we're approving a

923
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:53,360
project that is going to be a million
dollars plus which may kick the the can

924
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,560
down the road that much further as
opposed to something that may be a much

925
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:59,360
more attainable project in the near
term.

926
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:06,400
» Okay. So then let me
say to uh to to

927
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:11,120
Commissioner George
>> do you want to modify your motion? Yeah,

928
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:16,239
I you know, I think you've your your
points are just right on. So, I I I

929
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:21,920
would like to modify my motion to uh
approve the application um not including

930
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:25,600
the widening of the road at this point.
Um

931
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,000
there you go. Appreciate.
>> Yeah.

932
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:32,320
» Okay. And then I go to the second.
Commissioner Littlefield, do you agree

933
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:36,239
with the modification and do you
continue your second

934
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:40,080
or do you
>> Look at y'all staring at me.

935
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:51,679
There's a lot of things going on in
intersections that are controlled by

936
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:55,440
lights besides pedestrians.
>> Oh yeah,

937
01:14:52,320 --> 01:15:00,800
» there's lots of things going on. One of
them and I've always been taught

938
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:06,000
certainly in was if it was a signalized
intersection and it didn't have a a

939
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:12,239
designated left turn lane, we see rear
end accidents all the time. You know,

940
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:21,520
where where do you where do you put the
value of safety and and life saving when

941
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:27,360
you skip one thing to make it safer for
another element? when we've had really

942
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:32,880
good discussion here today about a human
being being present at the intersection

943
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:38,000
probably would
solve 99% of safety issues with children

944
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:43,520
as pedestrians there.
>> So, um I don't know if I want to if I

945
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:46,960
want to agree seconding
your motion.

946
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:52,239
» The uh let me ask on the light. Would
there still be a left arrow just in just

947
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,760
in that in
>> without a left turn lane? The only way

948
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,480
you could accommodate something like
that would be to attempt a splitphase

949
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:04,880
operation, but it would not be very
traffic responsive. We would have to use

950
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:10,080
a pre-programmed left turn arrow and it
would just use our best guess as far as

951
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:12,880
the amount of left turn time allotted.
>> And to be fair, we're talking about an

952
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:16,719
intersection that doesn't meet warrants
right now, right?

953
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:20,960
» That's correct. So, I mean, the rules of
how we would do an intersection based on

954
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,760
warrants is different than one that
doesn't meet warrants. And now we're

955
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,960
saying, well, but how would this
function the best? Well, what we're

956
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:31,120
trying to do is talk about kids crossing
the street. It's very different than how

957
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:36,080
do we move vehicles around here? How we
make sure these left turners are getting

958
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:39,679
through there? And we may end up with a
situation where yes, there could be a

959
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:44,400
potential for rear end accidents that
happen in the future. I would hope that

960
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:49,280
as we are getting closer to actually
implementing this project, there would

961
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,080
be a look at what the AAD is at that
time and what turning movements there

962
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:56,560
are, what kind of collisions are there,
so we could make the determination does

963
01:16:53,840 --> 01:17:00,320
a widening necessitate now or did we not
need it?

964
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:04,480
» Well, you could always you could always
uh look at it that from the perspective

965
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:08,560
that it will never be less expensive to
put in a left turn lane to do it now

966
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:11,920
than it will be to retrofit it in the
future. Yeah.

967
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:17,440
» Well,
>> from the it sounds like from the

968
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:22,640
discussion that we've had, it would be
make more sense to have a pedestrian

969
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:28,560
crossing light than an actual traffic
light. Well, I mean, it's we're talking

970
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:32,480
about widening. We're talking about it
just it's what you're describing. It

971
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:37,440
would make more sense just to have a
pedestrian crossing light than the

972
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:42,719
actual traffic light,
>> but not at that intersection because

973
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:47,120
then it creates traffic flow problems
because when the when

974
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:50,960
» admittedly when the reds go away, who
has priority and all this other thing?

975
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,760
» If you moved it down,
>> what move it up? Yeah,

976
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:56,640
» I mean move it to the north. That would
be correct. I wouldn't have any

977
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:02,239
heartburn with that, but it just seems
like it would make more sense than an

978
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:09,920
actual traffic light if we're going to
go the light route instead of a crossing

979
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:14,800
guard or with it. Just seems like it
would make more sense. It would be able

980
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:19,760
to installed without the road work.
We're not having to worry about the turn

981
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:23,280
lane. uh we don't have to worry about
the light functioning whenever the

982
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,880
school is out
>> because the light would still function,

983
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:30,640
» you know, whether school's in session or
not.

984
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:37,600
» And if what we're trying to do is make
sure the kids are pedestrians safely,

985
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:43,360
then that would make the most sense.
>> I've got to ask the applicant if they

986
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:49,040
want to submit them.
Well,

987
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:52,000
I I think a way ahead is to proceed with
this

988
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:56,080
» to get it on the list,
>> right?

989
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:59,199
» We all know the list is 10 10 years out,
>> right?

990
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:03,440
» And then we all know that we're working
some short-term issues.

991
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:07,600
» Right. And then we're working a
medium-term also where the staff is

992
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:12,400
going to look at to what would it take
to be able to put a midterm crossing at

993
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:17,040
the end of that sidewalk up there by the
school.

994
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:24,800
» If they the applicant, everybody comes
back to us and says, "Hey, we this will

995
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:29,520
work and it'll be a lot cheaper.
Even if we just move the crosswalk up

996
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:33,040
there without the signal light, maybe
even better."

997
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:37,600
that may be even another thing to think
about as a short term.

998
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:44,400
» But then to go ahead and say, "Okay, we
need 200,000 is different than saying we

999
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:49,360
need 1 million and if it can be fit into
a budget of operating money compared to

1000
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:51,679
a bond issue."
>> Well, that's where city council gets in,

1001
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,679
» right?
>> And then we could present all that to

1002
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,920
the city council and say, "This is what
is recommended."

1003
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:04,800
And then once that happens and there's
no more need for the light, then

1004
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:09,840
something comes to us and we say stop
it.

1005
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:14,000
» That's all I'm saying is that that's my
recommended flow which is to proceed on

1006
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:19,520
with this to include the staff
recommendation

1007
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:27,840
» because that's the worst case
meaning it costwise worst case costwise

1008
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:33,360
you know whether it's 700 you know five
500,000 for the light and 500,000 for

1009
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:37,360
the lane. That's still going to wait for
the for the bond.

1010
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,199
» So, am I not able to second his modified
recommendation? I'd love to do that.

1011
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,199
» Well,
>> yes.

1012
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:43,920
» You pulled your second.
>> I pulled my second.

1013
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:47,120
» I'll second it.
>> You'll second without staff

1014
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:52,000
recommendation. Okay. So, now we have a
motion

1015
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:57,600
» to approve if we can change when we get
that here in a second. once she changes

1016
01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:02,640
it.
>> And may I change my vote?

1017
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:07,920
» Well, we have to here. Yeah.
>> You know, it just it moves it from a

1018
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:13,040
10-year to a five-year by not by not
widening right now. And but then all

1019
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:19,040
these other steps are still in place,
which which you know the moving it up,

1020
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:24,560
putting the red the the stop, you know,
so the crossing guard, I mean, all those

1021
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,360
are in place now also. or will be
>> could be.

1022
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:32,360
» So, you know, I just think it it's the
>> Okay, so we have any more talk?

1023
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:39,440
» Traffic signal
>> hit your button.

1024
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:45,440
If a traffic signal here is approved
today and the improve the necessary

1025
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:51,120
improvements along with it, which is a
designated left turn lane, would that

1026
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:54,880
intersection produce two crosswalks, one
to the north and one to the south, or

1027
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:59,840
would it just be the one remaining
crosswalk?

1028
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:05,520
» You mean uh having crossing going across
198 plus a crossing going across uh pen?

1029
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:08,880
» No. um
>> on the north side of the intersection

1030
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:12,400
and the south side of the intersection
on pin.

1031
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:16,400
» Oh,
>> okay.

1032
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:21,280
» It would take a separate application for
a midblock a signalized midblock

1033
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:26,639
pedestrian crossing north of 198 Street.
>> Okay. That's that was just a question.

1034
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:32,320
The the comment that I want to make is
if it's if it's decided,

1035
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:35,600
we're coming up with great ideas to help
these people. Believe me, I'm not

1036
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,320
arguing with any of that.
>> But if we if we decide today to just do

1037
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:47,280
a light
>> and and leave the need for a designated

1038
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:55,679
left turn lane to the future, that
pushes that back into that 10-year realm

1039
01:22:51,199 --> 01:23:00,960
of time, most more likely than not, too.
So,

1040
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:06,159
I'm just saying it. Well, well, what'll
happen is

1041
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:10,320
after five, eight, 10 years when they're
starting ready to go for another bond

1042
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:13,679
and they would look at this, they will
they'll go out and do another study.

1043
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:18,639
They'll look at traffic flow. They'll
look at what's all going on. And if they

1044
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:23,600
determine that they need a left turn and
to put it in, then staff would just do

1045
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:26,800
that. Am I right, sir?
>> Yeah.

1046
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:31,679
» Right. that you know when we make a
recommendation and we say to include

1047
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:37,040
staff that's just so when the staff goes
to the budget process and the planning

1048
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:39,920
process he has us in his back pocket he
can pull out and say traffic commission

1049
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:45,840
said it
>> but 8 to 10 years from now traffic is

1050
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:50,000
double more things are going on there's
more of a risk they do their assessment

1051
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:53,600
they look and go oh the traffic
commission didn't say it but they were

1052
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:57,520
looking at this narrow time
>> now it requires this,

1053
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:00,320
» they just do it.
>> They just do it. They don't

1054
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:03,040
» and they would add it into the project.
No, it wouldn't come back to us.

1055
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:08,480
» Oh, really? Okay.
>> You know, that's the the whole re, you

1056
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:14,880
know, the light is the thing.
>> The staff recommendation is part of the

1057
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:20,320
» planning and and who gets what kind of
thing. And if if if

1058
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:25,199
» if staff can have us as a backend, got
>> that helps. So like here, you know,

1059
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:27,920
let's say that it goes opposite. People
move out of the area and there's

1060
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,760
nothing. Well, you know,
>> right?

1061
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:31,440
» That's But that's not going to happen.
No.

1062
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:34,000
» In Oklahoma City,
>> it's just going to get worse and we know

1063
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:40,639
that.
>> So whether we go just the light or the

1064
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:46,560
light with recommendation, we're really
just saying the light.

1065
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:52,320
the the recommendation if
staff determines for safety and all that

1066
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,159
that something like that needs to be in
there, well, they're just going to do

1067
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,840
it.
>> Okay.

1068
01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:02,159
» That's not anything that's our concern.
>> Am I correct, staff?

1069
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:08,320
» Yes. But typically, we put those things
in there because u it's it's best for uh

1070
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,320
others who may be looking at this in the
future. I mean, there's always staff

1071
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:14,719
turnover,
>> right? that that there's a record that

1072
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:20,080
turn lane improvements are supposed to
be included in a project like this.

1073
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:24,480
» The uh
but if we include it, you're not going

1074
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:29,440
to put a light in unless you widen it,
right? It's not like you're going to

1075
01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:31,600
make that decision,
>> right?

1076
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:34,639
» What I'm saying, I mean, it the light's
not going until the w it gets widened if

1077
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,320
it if that's included
>> or it' be concurrent. H

1078
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:41,679
» it would be concurrent though the
intersection and

1079
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:49,040
» this way we can put a light in hopefully
a lot quicker for six $700,000 less and

1080
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:53,520
they can get it and maybe even help fund
it a little bit. But uh so that's my

1081
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:57,679
only I mean
>> of course I think the application before

1082
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:01,440
you is based is all based on pedestrian
safety for kids that are leaving that

1083
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:04,960
are crossing from the west side of Penn
to get to school in which case a

1084
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:08,719
midblock a signalized midblock
pedestrian crossing away from 198 street

1085
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,560
could still be an option
>> right

1086
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:15,600
» y
>> yeah and that's what what I would

1087
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:18,800
suggest you all do
>> bring that back

1088
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:24,159
» rightward
>> yeah and you all will have to do that.

1089
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:30,639
You'll have to make that application
>> because it won't come back on its own.

1090
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:34,719
» You you as a group need to think about
>> moving that up and getting the red light

1091
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,840
so that there'll be a safe crossing up
by the school,

1092
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,600
but you'll have to bring that
application

1093
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:45,920
because they we can't just do it, I
don't think. So, you all have to make

1094
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:51,199
it. Then you'll have that one might only
take a year. This one if it gets

1095
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:56,719
approved might take five years and if we
go back to widening it probably take 10

1096
01:26:53,440 --> 01:27:00,320
years. So you know how quick you want to
do things.

1097
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:04,560
» Well let me just throw it out there.
>> Yeah.

1098
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:12,880
An option that could happen is the
applicant asked to defer this item

1099
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:18,080
» until staff and the applicant looks at a
possibility of doing a mid block

1100
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:21,120
crossing
>> up there by the school as we were

1101
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,120
talking about at the end of that
sidewalk

1102
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:32,719
» because I I don't want to say to defer
this and and immediately go home and

1103
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:37,120
type one up and submit because I don't
know if it can be done. I don't, you

1104
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:40,639
know, I haven't been out there.
Don't know right away. Don't know all

1105
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,840
that kind of stuff. All that probably
has to be looked at, right?

1106
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:47,520
» So,
>> so they can they can do a study just on

1107
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:53,600
your recommendation?
>> Uh, no. I would say that

1108
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:59,360
uh they would probably want to after
this item is voted on,

1109
01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:03,440
» they would still want to submit a
package. Well, I'm just saying if they

1110
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:06,400
wanted to defer this,
>> they could defer,

1111
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:12,080
» but then on your recommendation, he can
do the the the more further north

1112
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:16,080
crosswalk.
>> Yeah, I was about to say on in this

1113
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:19,760
particular case, you know, deferring it,
withdrawing it, it's not going to change

1114
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:22,800
the timeline for its construction. If
the applicant would like to visit with

1115
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:28,320
us after this meeting is over and
explore options maybe for a a midblock

1116
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:32,239
pedestrian crossing someplace north of
198th Street. It doesn't have to

1117
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:36,159
necessarily be right at the uh you know
very close to the school's driveway.

1118
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:40,000
Could be at a location which would allow
both to function you know both 198th

1119
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:43,760
Street and the school driveway to
function

1120
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:48,000
» without with minimal congestion. We can
explore that option

1121
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:54,880
» because then you're only talking minor
infrastructure change by creating a a

1122
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:57,360
sidewalk entrance to the road a pen.
>> That's correct.

1123
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:03,199
» And then the crosswalk, you know, the
ADA stuff and then up to the sideway. So

1124
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:09,520
what he's saying is maybe not even all
the way up north to the school between

1125
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:12,000
the school road and
the 198

1126
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:17,760
» 198
>> 198 somewhere in between there to across

1127
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:22,639
it. And that way that clears that
intersection all the way. Kids don't

1128
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:28,560
even have to be around all that traffic.
It's halfway up. It doesn't affect the

1129
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:33,679
school entrance.
And that might work. And then we can put

1130
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:39,840
a school uh crossing light there where
you push a button, it turns red,

1131
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:46,080
everybody stops, cross, turns green,
recycles. Got to push a button again. Uh

1132
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:51,040
and it doesn't affect that's a good idea
also. And see, that's why I'm saying

1133
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:55,600
right here is not the place to actually
write it out.

1134
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:59,520
» So the option back to you, we could
proceed on with this vote and get it

1135
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:03,760
going. We could you could say let's
defer and let and I could ask the staff

1136
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:11,960
to just look at everything that we just
talked about and talk to you and come

1137
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:11,960
back with a a different option.

1138
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:21,360
Yes, sir.
I will say that I am having trouble

1139
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:26,000
supporting
a motion

1140
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:30,320
to do this without addressing all things
intersection.

1141
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:35,280
But I do support
taking this for the next 30 days and

1142
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:41,600
having the applicant and staff have an
opportunity to talk about something that

1143
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:46,800
is in my mind more in line with your
thinking

1144
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:50,800
in time and money and effectiveness.
I'm I'm seeing a little bit of a mess at

1145
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:56,239
this intersection that I'm not
comfortable with that I wasn't aware of

1146
01:30:53,920 --> 01:31:03,199
until you guys started bringing up your
thoughts. So I would support a a

1147
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:09,600
continuence. Definitely.
>> Ma'am, now that you heard all this,

1148
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:14,560
maybe you can help us kind of my life
for like two years. I know it just you

1149
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:18,639
can go on and on and on. Um
I Is the crossing guard still going to

1150
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,159
be funded? Is that still something that
we're

1151
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:22,080
» Yes, that's something that's going to be
looked at. Can we do it?

1152
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:24,880
» Okay.
>> How do we work with Edmond School? How

1153
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:28,239
do we do it? All that.
>> Right. Thank you. I mean, everything

1154
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:34,560
you've suggested, I promise I'm going to
continue to try to work on. Um, I mean,

1155
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:38,800
I I still think there needs to be some
traffic control. I think that Pin is

1156
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:43,840
just get going to get busier and busier.
They're building up like crazy. New

1157
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:47,679
apartments. Um, our entrance to Loanada,
it's not just us leaving. There's

1158
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:54,560
Castleberry behind us, Skyler's Court.
Um, so so it really isn't just Loanata's

1159
01:31:50,880 --> 01:32:00,639
um entrance. So, I I I still like the
original solution,

1160
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:04,080
but with the time being cut in half.
>> Oh,

1161
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:10,320
» yeah.
>> Okay.

1162
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:13,679
» All right. So,
counselor.

1163
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:16,560
» Well, I say whatever we do,
>> right?

1164
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:20,719
» Whatever we do, it has to come from the
commission.

1165
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:26,480
» Correct. Um, so I mean if if we want to
defer to the next meeting, then

1166
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:29,840
Commissioner George could revise his his
motion again or we could continue with

1167
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:32,960
the motion. That's
>> where I'm going right now.

1168
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:41,199
» I think we're at a point.
>> All right, we're going back. We

1169
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:46,960
currently have a motion to approve 5D
from Commissioner George, seconded by

1170
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:52,239
Commissioner Wyn. No votes yet. uh
without mentioning staff recommendation.

1171
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:54,560
That's the current motion on the table.
Is that motion stand, Commissioner

1172
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:58,239
George?
>> You know,

1173
01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:03,520
you know, I
don't know. I I I kind of think that we

1174
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:08,080
had to look at that. You know, again,
the whole thing is to make it safer for

1175
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:14,480
the kids as quickly as possible, right?
And so I think that 30-day, can we get

1176
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:17,600
it done in 30 days? you know, um,
>> from a from

1177
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:19,840
» I know it's hard for you all to
>> come back.

1178
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:23,360
» Yeah, from an analysis standpoint, we've
got all the data we need.

1179
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:28,960
» Okay. So, you can do So, I mean, if we
do a 30-day until the next uh defer this

1180
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:34,639
for 30 days, gives you a chance to
figure out where the best spot would be

1181
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:38,400
to move it to the north, how far up.
>> We'll work with the applicant on that.

1182
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:41,440
» Right. Right. And, you know, traffic
flows would have would be part of it,

1183
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:45,360
too. you know, that coming in and out of
that school. But, um, and out of that,

1184
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:50,239
» um,
>> you know, and if it and if it comes down

1185
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:53,360
to just doing the the light again next
month, then we can just sure do that.

1186
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:58,639
You know, and like you said, it's not
going to add time. You know, this is a

1187
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:02,560
years and years out on these lights. You
wouldn't think it's not like a stop sign

1188
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:08,320
where they can put them in pretty quick,
but uh, it's years and years out. So, I

1189
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:14,560
I would move that we defer this resend
my second

1190
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,320
and make this my third uh
>> motion. No, that's fine.

1191
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,880
» Okay.
>> So, there's a third motion now.

1192
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:22,400
» Yes.
>> To defer this item

1193
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:23,920
» to the next meeting.
>> To the next meeting.

1194
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:26,719
» Yes.
>> And Commissioner Wyn,

1195
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,480
» I'll second.
>> We have a second by Commissioner. And

1196
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:33,480
let's wait till she changes the the
screen.

1197
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:44,800
I don't know. It's not popping up.
>> There it is. All right. Any other

1198
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:51,199
discussion on 5D?
We understand the applicant may not like

1199
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:57,040
the uh the affirm it, but if working
with the staff, no other solution, this

1200
01:34:54,159 --> 01:35:01,760
item will come back up next month. Okay.
So, all right. So, we have a motion from

1201
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,120
Commissioner George, seconded by
Commissioner Wyn, to defer item 5D to

1202
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,280
the ne to the next meeting, the one in
April. Right.

1203
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:15,360
» Okay. Can I have your votes, please?
>> I'm I'm a yay. My It's not coming up on

1204
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:19,280
my screen for some reason.
>> Okay.

1205
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:24,400
» Okay. Item has passed, which is to defer
to the next meeting. All right. Thank

1206
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:28,880
you very much. Uh, we go on now to item
six, comments from citizens. Anybody out

1207
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:34,000
there want to say something? Any of the
kids want to get up and get on TV? You

1208
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:38,320
can you can see yourself on uh on you
YouTube.

1209
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:41,840
No. Okay.
When we're done, you you can come on up

1210
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:45,440
here, too, if you want. Okay. Yes,
ma'am. You come up to the mic, please.

1211
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,080
» Just a quick question. Will we be
notified for the meeting to come and

1212
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:52,400
speak and hear?
>> Oh, you'll be notified right after this

1213
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:55,679
meeting. And I'd like to leave an
invitation if anybody wants to have

1214
01:35:53,920 --> 01:36:00,639
coffee on the corner and come see it in
action in the morning, just let us know.

1215
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:04,800
» All right. Thank you. All right. And
then uh

1216
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:08,960
no comments. So now we go around the
room here. Uh reports from the traffic

1217
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:11,920
commissioners. Item seven. Commissioner
Littlefield,

1218
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:16,400
» you are saved this month.
>> All right. Yahoo. Okay. We go to

1219
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:18,560
Commissioner uh Hail.
>> Nothing, sir.

1220
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,159
» Commissioner Win,
>> nothing.

1221
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,239
to George.
>> No, I don't think so.

1222
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:27,120
» Okay. Thanks.
>> Uh I don't have anything right now. Uh

1223
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:28,719
counselor, thank you for your help
today.

1224
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,360
» Yes, sir.
>> Appreciate it. And we even gave you some

1225
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,560
work to do. Some of
>> Yeah, I got some work.

1226
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:38,960
» There you go. Captain, thanks for
getting the uh notifying them to go out

1227
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:43,600
in that area. Hopefully, you'll see them
out there and also checking on

1228
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:45,920
» if they can come into our area and all
that. Okay. Appreciate all that. You got

1229
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,639
anything else?
>> No report.

1230
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:51,199
» Okay. Staff, you got anything else?
>> Nothing else to add.

1231
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:55,560
» Anybody have anything else for the
traffic commission? All right, we're

1232
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,560
adjourned.