[3:16] All right, it's 1:30.
I'd like to call the meeting of the
[3:20] Traffic and Transportation Commission
for March 16, 2026 to order. We'll go
[3:27] ahead and do roll call. Commissioner
Littlefield
[3:31] » present.
>> Commissioner KS is not available.
[3:35] Commissioner Hail
>> here, sir.
[3:37] » Commissioner Martinez is not available.
Commissioner Wyn
[3:41] » here.
>> Commissioner George
[3:43] » here.
>> Okay. And Commissioner Cornet is not
[3:46] available. So, we do have a quorum and
we are able to to proceed.
[3:52] We go on now to the next item. Uh,
approval of the minutes from February
[3:58] 16th, 2026. Can I have a motion, please?
>> Motion to approve.
[4:03] » Motion to approve by Commissioner Hail.
Do we have a second?
[4:06] » Second
>> by Commissioner Wyn. Any discussion?
[4:12] » Uh, if you if you recall, uh, we asked
for a presentation on parking meters,
[4:18] why, how come, where does the money go,
all that, that'll be in April.
[4:23] » Oh, okay. So, it is being worked. They
just asked if they could have a bit more
[4:28] time. Okay. So, we have a motion from
Commissioner Hail to approve, seconded
[4:33] by Commissioner Wyn to approve the
minutes of the February 16th, 2026.
[4:38] Votes, please.
[4:48] There it is. Item has passed. With all
five in favor,
[4:53] we go on now to reports from the traffic
services division in the counselor's
[4:57] office.
>> All right. You've got our standing
[5:00] standard monthly report before you. Um I
just want to make a few comments on the
[5:06] uh alternative speed abatement program
status report. We haven't had any new uh
[5:11] speed humps installed since mid December
of last year. Uh the reason for that is
[5:16] because we're in the process of looking
for a new vendor. We've been so until
[5:21] until we have someone new under contract
to provide them, we're kind of holding
[5:26] on pending applications and
like I said, working to find a new
[5:30] vendor. And as far as the rest of the
report, the only other thing of
[5:34] consequence is um on the last page there
is a under turn restrictions there's
[5:39] been a new one that's been installed
that is on Northclassen Boulevard at
[5:43] Northwest 13th Street and that is for a
northbound no left turn basically
[5:49] weekdays from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m.
And aside from that, I'm happy to answer
[5:55] any of the questions you might have
about our standing monthly reports.
[6:00] » All right. Thank you very much.
Council's office.
[6:02] » No reports today.
>> All right. Thank you very much, sir.
[6:06] » Okay. We go on to item four, the consent
docket. There are no items. We go to
[6:10] item five. 5A. Corey Hubert, parking
services manager. Uh item is up on the
[6:18] screen. Sir, if I could have your name
and address, you got five minutes.
[6:23] » Corey Hubert, 431 West Main Street,
Oklahoma City.
[6:29] uh North Hudson uh just west of the um
courthouse, we have two uh commercial
[6:37] loading zone spaces. We'd like to have
those loading zone spaces replaced with
[6:44] government use vehicles only in order to
reduce the amount of blockages uh to our
[6:52] street car that's negatively affecting
embark customers and the community at
[6:58] large.
[7:01] » All right. Thank you very much, sir.
Do we have anybody else want to speak on
[7:06] 5A?
Okay, staff. All right. In this
[7:10] particular case, the requested change is
going to eliminate a commercial loading
[7:14] zone in favor of parking for government
business adjacent to the Oklahoma County
[7:18] Courthouse. Um, you can see up on your
screen um a type of blockage that Mr.
[7:23] Hubert was referring to. So, in this
particular case, action is going to be
[7:29] at the direct at the discretion of the
commission. So, if the commission votes
[7:32] to remove the loading zone in favor of
the um reserve parking for government
[7:38] business, uh the commission's action on
removing the loading zone is final, but
[7:42] we'll need to take a uh an ordinance on
to the city council for the uh
[7:47] government business parking zone. So,
I'm happy to answer any questions you
[7:51] might have on this request.
>> All right. Thank you. Do we have a
[7:54] motion concerning 5A?
>> I've got a question.
[7:59] » Yes, sir. Um, it doesn't affect my
support of it, but would these parking
[8:04] spaces be available to the physically
disabled if need be
[8:12] with a just a placard?
>> In this particular case, there they
[8:17] would be reserved for the use by
official government vehicles. Primarily,
[8:21] it'd be uh law enforcement or other
similar agencies.
[8:29] » Okay. Can I have a motion concerning 5A?
[8:34] » Motion to approve.
>> Motion to approve by Commissioner Hail.
[8:37] Do we have a second?
>> Second.
[8:40] » Second by Commissioner George. Any
discussion?
[8:46] » I just have a comment. I guess wondering
we're just changes from one type of
[8:50] parking to another. How is that going to
necessarily fix anything? Sarah,
[8:55] » you come up.
[9:01] Thank you for the question.
>> When we've gone out when there's been
[9:05] blockages of negatively affecting the
street car and the community, we've gone
[9:10] out there and it's typically a nonl law
enforcement vehicle
[9:14] » that's parked over that line.
>> The idea is that the law enforcement
[9:20] agencies will follow those
>> guidelines. Okay. Okay.
[9:26] Good follow-up question. Yes, sir.
>> Another commercial loading zone. Where's
[9:30] the next closest one outside of this
one?
[9:33] » There's commercial loading zones on Park
Avenue. Um and then again on uh just
[9:41] north of the um museum.
Those are the two that ring the loudest
[9:48] bell in my head right now. I don't have
them all memorized.
[9:56] Well, just just to talk about it,
>> when it's a commercial loading zone, is
[10:01] that timelmited?
>> Yes,
[10:03] » usually.
>> Not necessarily. It can be.
[10:07] » So, that's my first question. And the
second thing is if it's a commercial
[10:11] loading zone, usually it's probably a
larger vehicle.
[10:14] » Yeah.
>> Which would be, you know, some U-Haul or
[10:17] something. Yeah. Something big
>> that may not fit in that space and then
[10:21] therefore caused the blockage. Is this
probably the only commercial loading
[10:25] zone that is near one of your tracks?
>> Um, I don't have that information
[10:32] readily available. Um, it is one of our
most problematic.
[10:37] » Okay.
>> Uh, blockage areas by far
[10:42] » where where the train has to stop and
you got to call the call the law
[10:47] enforcement and then they do something
and then you call a recorder eventually.
[10:51] » Correct.
>> What's the time? What's the time on
[10:53] that? Usually processed
30 minutes to an hour before you get it
[10:58] blocked. Usually, I mean, it depends on
if you can't find the owner,
[11:02] » local law enforcement, what they're
doing by the time they show up.
[11:06] » I doubt that
>> coming and addressing a street car
[11:10] blockage is the highest of their list of
priorities and they have
[11:14] » safety to be concerned with,
>> right? But but at some point they show
[11:18] up and then they do their process if I
remember right and then they call the
[11:22] wrecker and then the recorder's got to
come.
[11:24] » So this is your your worst spot.
>> Correct. And as you can see in this
[11:30] image, it's not a delivery vehicle. It
was actually someone else that was
[11:35] parked there that was attending court.
>> So let me go back to my first question.
[11:42] Is this a timelimited commercial loan
zone?
[11:45] » No. Typically, uh, commercial loading
zones are set up so that they can be
[11:49] used for basically an indefinite period
of time so long as you're actively
[11:53] engaged in the use of the zone by moving
things in or out, but uh, they're not
[11:58] set up so someone can just bring a
commercial vehicle and park them in
[12:02] there without showing any signs of
activity. So, most of the zones, I
[12:06] think, in the downtown area are not
timelmited.
[12:13] And what you're seeing at this spot is
parking more than loading and unloading.
[12:18] So you just want to get rid of it.
>> Correct.
[12:20] » Okay.
>> Yeah. I I've personally witnessed court
[12:24] reporters.
I've personally witnessed attendees of
[12:28] the court system.
I I cannot think of an instance where I
[12:34] saw a FedEx vehicle or a UPS vehicle or
any type of delivery vehicle utilizing
[12:40] it. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you very much, sir.
[12:43] » You bet.
>> Any other questions or comments on 5A?
[12:47] Yes, sir.
>> So, besides an obvious government
[12:51] vehicle like a police vehicle, what kind
of placard would they have if if it was
[12:58] a government somebody, but it wasn't
necessarily a vehicle that had anything
[13:03] on it identifying that? Is there a decal
or something?
[13:08] They may have a they may have a
government issued tag. Uh, a lot of
[13:12] times I've seen people leave like
business cards or other site forms of
[13:17] documentation to indicate that they're
they're on government business, but a
[13:21] lot of times for the most part you see
like police agency vehicles.
[13:24] » Okay.
[13:29] » All right. Any other talk on 5A?
>> Okay. We have a motion to approve 5A by
[13:34] Commissioner Hail, second by
Commissioner George. Votes, please.
[13:42] Item has passed with all five in favor.
We go on now to 5B. Caleb Morgan from
[13:48] Johnson and Associates. Uh the item is
up on the screen. Sir, if I can have
[13:53] your name and address, you got five
minutes.
[13:56] » Caleb Morgan, Johnson Associates, one
East Sheridan, uh Sweet 200, Oklahoma
[14:00] City. Thank you for hearing this item
this afternoon. Uh this is for uh to
[14:05] accompany on street parking on 10th
street u at the uh on the north side of
[14:11] 10th street east of Dwey Avenue. And uh
I'm sorry it's actually on on Dewey
[14:17] Avenue north of 10th Street and uh this
is a company of development that's going
[14:22] on in that area. We're closing Classen
Drive uh for public use and there's
[14:26] development uh going just on the
southwest corner of Classen Drive and
[14:31] this will be accompanying parking that's
on 10th Street and on Dewey Avenue. Uh
[14:36] we appreciate staff working with us on
this item and make sure everything's up
[14:39] to code. Um if you have any questions,
I'd be happy to answer them.
[14:46] » All right. Thank you. Anybody else want
to speak on 5B?
[14:49] Okay. Staff.
>> Okay. In in conjunction with a new
[14:52] development, the applicant is proposing
to build parking laybys on the east side
[14:56] of Dwey Avenue and a short one on the
north side of 10th Street. Uh the total
[15:01] number of spaces are going to be
increased by 21.
[15:05] So at this point in time, the uh they're
still within the prescribed ratio for
[15:10] the number of accessible parking spaces
for the physically disabled to the total
[15:15] number of parking spaces on the block.
So action on the on the item will be at
[15:19] the discretion of the commission. And I
just want to note that at this time the
[15:22] applicant is not requesting any controls
to regulate use of the proposed parking
[15:27] spaces which will be built on the east
side of Dwey and the few on the north
[15:31] side of 10th Street.
>> All right. Thank you. Do we have a
[15:35] motion concern in 5B?
>> Move for approval.
[15:39] » Move to approve by Commissioner
Littlefield. Do we have a second?
[15:45] » Second. Second by Commissioner Hail. Any
discussion on 5B?
[15:51] » We have a motion. Oh yes, sir.
>> I just real quickly want to thank you
[15:57] for fulfilling all the requirements for
on behalf of the disabled citizens in
[16:02] our city with this space. It's great.
Thank you.
[16:05] » We appreciate it. We appreciate staff
working with us making sure we meet all
[16:09] those requirements.
[16:12] » All right. Any other talk on 5B? Okay.
We got a motion to approve 5B from
[16:17] Commissioner Littlefield, seconded by
Commissioner Hail. Votes, please.
[16:26] Item has passed with all five in favor.
We are now go to 5C. Ryan Mcanahham.
[16:36] You're going to have to help me on that.
uh HSSE Systems from Dos Brothers uh
[16:45] hallway stop control North Oklahoma
Avenue and Northeast 82nd Street. Sir,
[16:51] » Frank, I'll be speaking on behalf of
>> Oh, very good.
[16:55] » Speak uh to to the uh intersection.
>> Sure.
[17:00] Come on up. Oh, here we go. Hello.
>> Yep. So, I'm going to introduce and then
[17:04] uh they're going to add some uh some
local flavor from their experience out
[17:08] there. Uh so, this is the new
intersection uh at uh 82nd in uh
[17:14] Oklahoma, the half development there. Uh
the intersection itself has been in in
[17:19] place and functional for a few years
now, but just recently the south half
[17:24] connected from the south and tied in uh
an approach from the southside making a
[17:29] fourlane intersection that was a T3 or
sorry four approach system that was a T3
[17:34] approach intersection. Uh previously I
have some pictures here. We just went
[17:38] out and took some um I'll show you an
aerial. Previously on the bottom it was
[17:43] that three approach. So no approach from
the bottom and this is the way it sits
[17:46] now. So they have a boulevard approach
from the B from the from the south. Uh
[17:51] so it's a four lane or four approaches
intersection. Now um the way it was
[17:56] installed when it was the T intersection
was to have a single yield sign from the
[18:00] north. So that single um approach
without the without the uh one coming
[18:06] from the south just had a yield sign. It
was free flowing east and west. So, uh,
[18:10] Delissi's on the corner there and
they're they're here who's speaking in
[18:13] the, uh, in the, uh, northeast corner
over there. Uh, just some pictures of
[18:18] that area. So, we understand traffic,
uh, staff has done a great job doing
[18:24] analysis on this intersection. It
doesn't meet the warrants for a four-way
[18:27] stop. Uh, that's based on current counts
and current, uh, collisions. They do
[18:32] have some uh there has been a a
collision recently with an injury and
[18:38] they're going to speak to that and a few
other incidents they've had out on site.
[18:41] Uh this area is developing rapidly and
there's the ENQ that just went in
[18:46] recently uh in the south uh west corner
of that picture there and there's a
[18:52] school that's being developed. You can
kind of see the dirt moving on the
[18:54] southeast corner of that picture. Uh so
they're going to you're going to have a
[18:58] lot of new traffic and and some high
schoolers in that area too. So, the
[19:02] concern is also for the future um to
protect the the pedestrians and citizens
[19:07] in the area. So, that's why we're
requesting it an all-way stop. Um and
[19:13] we're going to have them talk on a few
uh incidents they've had out there.
[19:17] Right.
[19:20] » Yes, sir. If I could have your name and
address, you'll have five minutes and
[19:23] then if you haven't filled out one of
these, fill it out when you're done,
[19:26] please.
>> We're good. My name is Kermit Frank. I'm
[19:29] with Deli at 8300 North Oklahoma Avenue.
I'm vice president of uh community and
[19:36] government relations there. Um
appreciate the opportunity to speak with
[19:42] you guys today. Really do. Um our
offices are located on that northeast
[19:46] corner of that intersection and um we
have nearly 175 of our 1,200 employees
[19:53] assigned there. We've been at that
location since 2021.
[19:58] And when we first moved in, we were
pretty isolated.
[20:03] Delicia has a strong safety culture and
our motto motto is safety always. So
[20:07] people have no problem uh speaking up
and telling us about things when they
[20:11] have an issue. So even being isolated,
we heard about numerous near misses and
[20:18] we had safety concerns for this
intersection going back to when it was a
[20:21] three-way.
Uh we submitted a request for an
[20:24] installation of a yield sign back in
2023.
[20:28] to help clarify the rightway so people
could understand what they're coming up
[20:32] to. Uh we didn't hear any response so it
remained unresolved.
[20:38] Fast forward to August of last year and
it's really hard for me to qu quantify
[20:43] to this commission um Mr. Chai how
appreciative we are of having Oklahoma
[20:50] Avenue open uh giving us true north
south access because we were captive to
[20:55] going north. Uh we just love it. We
really appreciate it. Thank you.
[21:00] However, almost immediately we began
getting reports from our people of near
[21:04] misses at this intersection and being a
four-way, they were dramatically
[21:08] different what we were hearing. And so
we submitted a request last September
[21:12] for a two-way stop
and that resulted in in the yield signs
[21:17] that we have now. Reports of near misses
have continued.
[21:23] However, I must say that when we got
notice last week that it was possible uh
[21:29] that we wouldn't get signs because we've
been telling everybody that gave us a
[21:34] near miss report. It's in the process.
We're working on it. Uh the the
[21:39] floodgates opened. I don't know. It's
impossible for me to tell you how many
[21:42] people have come to me and said, "I've
had a near miss." Folks that traveled
[21:47] here today on our behalf had near misses
on the way over here. Um, and I'll just
[21:53] say one of those includes my wife who
was coming to bring me something one day
[21:58] traveling west. Nearly got hit by a car
going north who didn't stop at the yield
[22:04] sign and she promptly called me and
said, "Do something about this. This is
[22:08] dangerous." So, she knows what I do and
thought that maybe I would have the
[22:12] chance. And so, thank you. I am here.
The most common theme I have found in
[22:17] the conversations that I've had with
people is that the yield signs are
[22:21] either being ignored and they just they
just aren't effective in this
[22:24] application. Uh most all of the concerns
and letters and documentation we have
[22:30] are about people going north and south.
So, I appreciate the time and effort of
[22:35] the of the people in the study, and it
seems to me a very good indicator of
[22:40] maybe a moment in time, but we're on the
cusp of explosive growth at 82nd in
[22:46] Oklahoma. I mean, we have a thriving
restaurant, a busy movie theater, an
[22:51] extremely popular entertainment venue in
Andredy, and a 300 unit apartment
[22:56] complex, not to mention another office
building. And most importantly, I think
[23:02] in just a few short months, we'll have
another business on the southwest
[23:06] corner. And in September, I just uh
attended the groundbreaking for another
[23:12] high volume entertainment
uh venue, uh the the Fieldhouse, which
[23:17] is going to be very cool. Uh but as
Caleb said, the one thing that's got me
[23:23] really really concerned is shortly
uh the opening of the new Bell Ale High
[23:28] School in 82nd is going to be an access
point for the high school and I was 16
[23:34] once upon a time. Anyway, in conclusion,
that intersection will never have less
[23:39] traffic than it has right now. And I
understand there's only been one
[23:43] accident and that's kind of one of the
triggers that it takes five to really
[23:48] establish criteria for something like
this. But I'd ask you please to grant
[23:54] this application for the four-way stop
so we can get a grip on this
[23:57] intersection and we don't have to come
back after four more and the possibility
[24:04] of some of our people getting hurt.
Anyway, thank you very much for your
[24:08] time and thank you very much for your
service to community serving on this
[24:13] commission. I appreciate it.
>> All right. Thank you very much, sir. Do
[24:17] we have anybody else want to speak on
5C?
[24:22] » All right, staff.
>> All right. You've got our comments
[24:25] before you. As you noted, um the
applicant had mentioned that this
[24:28] particular location presently does not
meet any of the MUTCD always stop
[24:33] control criteria. Uh the applicant has
provided a petition demonstrating local
[24:37] support for the traffic control change
they're seeking. So action on this item
[24:41] will be at the discretion of the
commission. I'm happy to answer any
[24:45] other questions you might have on this
application.
[24:49] » Thank you. Do we have a motion
concerning 5C?
[24:53] » Move to approve.
>> We have a motion to approve by
[24:55] Commissioner Wyn.
>> We have a second.
[24:57] » Second.
>> Second by Commissioner George. Any
[24:59] discussion?
[25:03] » Okay. Okay, we have a motion to approve
5C by Commissioner Wyn, seconded by
[25:07] Commissioner George, and we'll have our
votes here. That's my fault. Yep, please
[25:13] vote.
[25:29] It's green here.
[25:34] There we go. Item has passed. Would all
five in favor? Thank you.
[25:38] » Thank you. We go on now to 5C. Cara
Bowererman. Traffic signal at Northwest
[25:45] Pennsylvania Avenue and Northwest
198th Street.
[25:49] » Ma'am, if I could have your name,
address, you have up to five minutes.
[25:52] » Cara Berman, 2225 Northwest 198th
Street. Uh I'm a resident of the Lost
[25:58] Sonatada neighborhood and a school
counselor at H Heartland Middle School.
[26:01] Thank you for the opportunity to speak
today. I'm also supported by a few
[26:05] neighbors and students um on this
initiative, if you don't mind smiling
[26:09] and waving,
including my head principal at H
[26:12] Heartland. This intersection has been a
growing safety concern for years, and
[26:17] the situation is only getting worse as
our area continues to grow. The
[26:21] population in northeast Oklahoma City
and far northwest Edund has increased
[26:25] dramatically and traffic on Pennsylvania
continues to rise every year. What may
[26:29] have once functioned as a temporary
solution simply is not keeping up with
[26:32] the volume of vehicles and student
walkers using that crosswalk today.
[26:37] Before the crosswalk was installed,
students were actually jaywalking across
[26:41] Pennsylvania get to get to school
because the only signalized crossing
[26:44] nearby was at 192nd Street nearly a mile
away. to address that problem. At the
[26:50] time, the county commissioner, Kevin
Cowie, helped facilitate the
[26:53] installation of the current crosswalk.
That effort was well-intentioned and
[26:56] necessary at the time, but the crosswalk
that was installed did not anticipate
[27:00] the growth that this area would
experience. Today, the crosswalk relies
[27:04] on small yellow LED lights that are
difficult for drivers to see, especially
[27:08] in the early morning hours and
especially since daylight savings time.
[27:12] Even when activated, yellow lights do
not clearly direct drivers to stop. They
[27:17] simply flash um when the AC activated
button is pushed, which many younger
[27:21] students forget to do. The crossing can
give students a sense of protection
[27:25] while drivers may not realize a child is
about to step into the road. When I
[27:30] first began working at H Heartland, I
walked to the school myself from my
[27:33] neighborhood and would often help
students cross at that intersection. I
[27:38] did I did that until I became pregnant
and did not feel comfortable risking it
[27:41] anymore. After that, members of our
school administration, including my
[27:45] principal, tried to help facilitate
traffic through the area in the
[27:48] mornings, but that eventually became a
liability. At one point, our school
[27:53] resource officer uh through Edund Police
Department attempted to help direct
[27:57] traffic, but but she ultimately had to
step away because that road fell under
[28:01] Oklahoma City jurisdiction. I don't
think we can real realistically expect
[28:06] Oklahoma City police officers to be
stationed at that intersection every
[28:09] morning to manage traffic on a school
day. To help illustrate what families
[28:14] and staff experience every day, I've
provided a handout, a large handout that
[28:19] includes testimony from parents,
teachers, and neighbors describing close
[28:22] calls near accidents and the difficulty
drivers have seeing students in the
[28:26] early morning hours. You will also find
copies of a news article that previously
[28:31] reported on the concerns surrounding
this intersection as well as a letter of
[28:34] support from the president of the H
Heartland Parent Organization who has
[28:38] served as a board president for Safe
Kids Oklahoma. Together, these
[28:42] perspectives reflect a broad community
concern about the safety of this
[28:45] crossing. Another challenge is that the
current crossing has created something
[28:49] of a false sense of security. Students
assume the lights will protect them, but
[28:53] drivers often do not notice them or do
not know how to respond. The result is a
[28:57] situation where children are stepping
into a roadway with fast-moving traffic
[29:00] and limited visibility. This issue also
affects traffic entering and leaving the
[29:05] neighborhood. Because many parents do
not feel comfortable allowing their
[29:08] children to use the crosswalk, they
instead drive to pick them up and park
[29:11] near the entrance of Loanada. That
creates additional congestion and unsafe
[29:16] condition conditions along Pennsylvania
as well as inside the neighborhood
[29:19] itself.
A prop a proper traffic signal
[29:25] would help regulate the increasing
vehicle traffic entering and exiting the
[29:28] neighborhood. The growth in this area is
not slowing down. New neighborhoods
[29:32] continue to develop and more families
are moving to this part of the city
[29:35] every year. The number of children and
vehicles using this crosswalk will only
[29:39] continue to increase. My daughter will
one day attend Frontier and Hartland and
[29:44] would use the same crossing. In its
current condition, I would never feel
[29:47] comfortable allowing her to cross there
alone. I believe every parent in our
[29:51] community deserves to feel confident
that their child can cross the street
[29:54] safely on their way to school. Thank you
for your time.
[30:00] » Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Anybody else want
to speak?
[30:05] » Please. Yes, sir. Let me have your name
and address and you'll have up to five
[30:10] minutes and when you're done, fill out
one of the green forms, please.
[30:14] » Evan Allen. I live at 1 19909
Adagio Lane. That's where 198
[30:23] uh meets Adia Lane where it comes off of
Penn. Uh I've occupied that home for 15
[30:30] years. I've seen the development. The
schools have happened. We're having an
[30:36] integrous
uh
[30:40] nursing facility arriving on on the
previously uncluttered corner. There's a
[30:47] huge development behind the on uh the
Casey's gas station there. Um, and Karen
[30:55] never asked me to speak, but she's been
a a big factor in in all of this and and
[31:03] has lived and experienced it, as have I.
Too many events to to talk to. But
[31:11] sadly, people
grow worse and worse. We import more and
[31:17] more aliens from the Californiaiforns,
the Arkansass, the Texans, and who knows
[31:22] all where. So that all said,
I've lived for 29 years. We came to
[31:30] Oklahoma.
I lived in the city. My kids graduated
[31:34] from Patnham City North, so I've
experienced that. My grandchildren have
[31:39] graduated in the community, 26 and 13
year olds. And uh my wife and I have
[31:47] both served in state offices
in Wyoming and different places, lived
[31:55] in different cities. This has been the
worst intersection I've ever seen.
[32:02] Thanks for your time. Thanks for your
service. I know it's a thankless task.
[32:09] » All right.
>> And do you want me to
[32:11] » Yes, please fill out one of those forms.
Thank you very much. Anybody else want
[32:14] to speak? All right. You had your hand
up first, then I'll come to you. Okay.
[32:18] Name and address. You have five minutes
and fill out a form when you're done.
[32:21] » Okay. Allison Dearzky, 19616 Sonatina
Drive in Edmund/ Oklahoma City. Um, I am
[32:30] a parent. My son is not old enough for
the middle school yet. We still have
[32:33] about eight years till that. But I have
to turn left out of the neighborhood at
[32:38] peak time in the morning. And as Cara
mentioned, I have seen a lot of these
[32:44] near misses and problems. Um, I
appreciate the attempts at the crosswalk
[32:49] and its meaning and intention, but when
it's dark outside, you would think the
[32:55] lights are more visible, but the
children are not. So, I've seen the
[32:58] light activated and the child maybe the
first car closest to the side of the
[33:04] road will stop, but then the middle,
there's four lanes, so the two middle
[33:09] lanes might not stop. So, they will be
in the road and then have to look around
[33:13] a car to see if someone is flying down
Pennsylvania Avenue, not always in the
[33:18] um school zone speed limit. And so, I've
seen that. And then when they were
[33:25] trying to u mitigate the problem by
having someone direct traffic, turning
[33:30] left became impossible um because all of
the left turns out of the middle school
[33:36] will head south. And then when they let
that stop and they release the cars that
[33:41] had been blocked up, Pennsylvania would
all come and there would be no break. So
[33:46] it'd be a solid line. And so that wasn't
really working either. Um and going back
[33:52] to visibility, when they activate the
light during daytime, they don't the
[33:57] cars don't see the flashing light at
all. You might see the kid, but not the
[34:00] light, the vice versa. Um, so if it's
required for the students to walk
[34:06] because they're not within a busing
distance,
[34:11] keeping them safe is obviously our
primary goal. And so I appreciate Cara
[34:16] for bringing this to you and for you to
hear our plight and our worries. And I
[34:22] appreciate your consideration.
>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Ma'am, come on
[34:27] up.
[34:30] We'll have your name and address and you
have up to five minutes and then fill
[34:33] out a form.
>> My name is Rachel Sanders. I live at
[34:37] 2209 Northwest 199th Street in Edmond.
Um I brought my daughter here. She's
[34:43] sixth grade at H Heartland and firsthand
experience. She's probably been almost
[34:48] hit by a car a handful of times this
year crossing in the morning. Um she
[34:53] doesn't like to walk but like we said we
don't have a bus stop. I mean a bus
[34:56] route. So, unfortunately, that's the
only way. Um,
[35:01] especially now that it's dark in the
morning, like they've said, you can't
[35:04] see those kids.
It's dangerous more than you guys
[35:09] realize. And my daughter's life is at
jeopardy at times, crossing to get to
[35:16] school. And I'm afraid something's going
to happen before something h before
[35:21] something gets done.
Um, I have more kids, you know, they're
[35:26] going to go to H Heartland and
it's it's just scary. It's scary.
[35:31] Definitely as a parent sending her
across that street and not knowing if
[35:36] I'm going to get that call that, hey,
there was an accident. She's told me one
[35:40] one day she crossed and she barely
missed getting hit. And one of the
[35:44] counselors at H Heartland had to like
come for her and be like, hey, you
[35:47] really got to watch out. She watches
out.
[35:50] There's no way for her not like she
watches, she makes sure she crosses, she
[35:55] runs across that street and still barely
misses at times. So, I appreciate Cara
[36:00] for bringing this up and I hope you guys
choose something. Thank you.
[36:07] » Yes, ma'am. Anybody else want to speak
on 5D?
[36:12] All right, staff.
>> All right, you got our comments before
[36:16] you. Um, the commission last considered
a request for a traffic signal at this
[36:21] particular location that was submitted
by Miss Powerman back in July of 2023.
[36:26] That's a little bit of past history. Um,
we have done a complete signal warrant
[36:30] analysis based on traffic volumes,
pedestrian volumes, school warrant
[36:34] studies, and at this point in time, the
intersection currently does not meet any
[36:38] of the signalization criteria for at
this particular location. Um,
[36:46] a school crossing guard could be a good
would be a beneficial safety measure at
[36:51] this location to have help kids get
across the street. But should the
[36:54] traffic and transportation commission
approve the request for the signal, uh,
[36:58] the approval needs to include roadway
widening for dedicated for a dedicated
[37:03] northbound left turn lane on Penn for
safer left turn access to Northwest
[37:08] 198th Street. So, at this point in time,
action will be at the discretion of the
[37:12] commission. I'm happy to answer any
questions you might have on the
[37:15] application.
>> Thank you. Do we have a motion
[37:19] concerning item 5D?
[37:24] » Yeah, I've got So, it was in 2023 this
came up the same application.
[37:29] » Yes.
>> And I assume it was denied.
[37:32] » And did is that when we put in the the
school crossing guard instead?
[37:38] » Well, no. I
>> Or not the crossing guard, but the the
[37:41] » the school flashers. I think the flashes
were I think they were in place in
[37:45] place.
>> Yeah. What was what I believe occurred
[37:48] was the crossing was there
>> but the 25 mph school zone was closer to
[37:55] the school
>> and one of the things we recommended was
[37:59] move it.
>> We it did get moved back.
[38:01] » Yes, it is. So
>> that there is traffic warning to say
[38:05] slow down to 25 for school zone before
going northbound.
[38:09] » Right.
>> We're there. That's the other way.
[38:13] » Well, you know, obviously something
needs to be done here. 67 kids. That's a
[38:17] lot crossing right there. Um on just
that one day, you know, and it it
[38:22] doesn't say what the weather was. It
might even been a cold day. But uh um
[38:27] so there, you know, there's a traffic
light, but then the other option
[38:32] possibly um I guess is if you actually
do the the that doesn't just do the
[38:37] flashing yellow, but actually puts a
stop light like over on 23rd, I believe,
[38:41] a 23rd,
uh kind of in that re redone area, isn't
[38:47] it? Where you hit it and it
>> by the theater,
[38:49] » right? Yeah. And it actually has a stop
light.
[38:53] » That's correct.
>> And for it lasts for a minute or two
[38:55] minutes or however long it lasts.
>> Good point.
[38:57] » To get kids across. I mean, was that
you know the the fact that it doesn't
[39:04] meet any criteria for a stoplight is one
thing, but um I think we definitely have
[39:09] to soup up the safety factor there um in
my opinion. So I would be in favor of
[39:15] the stoplight or the crossing stoplight.
Is that something we can change on the
[39:22] field or is that have to be a new
application?
[39:25] » At this particular location, it's at an
intersection. So, the best traffic
[39:29] control would be for a full signal.
>> Okay. I'll I'll move approval for a full
[39:34] signal with widening for the left turn
lane.
[39:39] » Okay. We have a motion to approve 5D
from Commissioner George with the
[39:45] recommendation from staff.
>> Yes. Do we have a second for 5D?
[39:50] » Second.
>> Second by Commissioner Littlefield.
[39:54] » Okay. Comments. Good sir. One of the
problems I have with that is they're
[39:59] still going to be walking across the
street unattended
[40:02] where if you had a crossing guard to
regulate
[40:07] to help them, especially the younger
kids, uh it seems like a crossing guard
[40:12] for this situation would be more
effective, like I say, because you're
[40:16] still going to have your kids crossing
the street unattended. And I'm afraid
[40:20] that it may just lead to more of these
near misses where if they had a crossing
[40:25] guard, an adult there to help them
across the street, it seemed like that
[40:29] would be more of a safe avenue than
trusting the young children especially
[40:34] to uh trust the lights.
[40:40] » Okay. Would you like to make a comment?
police state.
[40:44] » Um, whenever I was participating in
helping kids cross, um, we we were not
[40:50] given permission from our district
safety coordinator to put a crossing
[40:54] guard there. So, I was crossing the
street 60 times
[40:59] » to help kids cross. Um, but I stopped
cuz I was almost getting hit as well
[41:05] when and I had become pregnant.
>> Why Why wasn't it approved?
[41:10] » Why wasn't it approved? I'm not sure. It
was Mike Johnston is our district safety
[41:14] coordinator. I don't know if it's
because it's Oklahoma City Road and it's
[41:17] Edund public schools.
>> Um
[41:19] » Edund students.
>> I'm not sure. I'm I I think I mean I
[41:23] think it was necessary. My principal
does, but um every time we've tried to
[41:27] get out in that that road, we've been
deterred by district.
[41:31] » All right. So, as far as the crossing
guard,
[41:33] » Mhm.
>> we all we all think we know that the
[41:37] process is the school puts in a request
and then the Oklahoma City funds it. The
[41:46] Oklahoma City has a funding for it. They
do the you do the training for the
[41:51] crossing guard, provide them all the
gear, and they get paid and they do
[41:55] their work. But in this situation, it's
a school from outside of our is Have you
[42:02] ever heard of that one before? Is that
one that we need to have legal maybe
[42:07] provide us counsel? If you could look
into it maybe to say, "Hey, uh, it is
[42:14] Oklahoma City kids on an Oklahoma City
road, but it they're walking to an
[42:20] Edmond school.
Uh, who would is it okay for the city to
[42:27] go ahead and pay for the because
do does Oklahoma City pay the person or
[42:33] does the school district gets the money
for it and then they the school district
[42:37] pays? Do you know
>> it's split between the police
[42:41] department?
>> But who actually pays the person?
[42:47] » See,
>> it comes from the city. The
[42:50] » funding is split but the check comes
from the city.
[42:53] » Check come from the city.
>> Okay.
[42:55] » And we the city supervises them, right?
>> They have authority through city
[42:59] ordinance to be a crossing guard,
>> right?
[43:01] » Those are city employees.
>> Okay.
[43:04] » Part time.
>> And it has you would would you in a in a
[43:08] layman's way think there'd be no problem
because the they're actually going to a
[43:12] different school in a different city. It
doesn't m do you think that matters?
[43:18] I think it matters in that the process
is different this time and so it's
[43:21] harder to get those channels moving in
the same direction.
[43:24] » Okay. So,
>> it's usually requested by the school
[43:26] district being that it's an Edmond
school district. It's not there's no
[43:30] request process in place.
>> Yeah. But we have
[43:34] » we have in Oklahoma City what 11 school
districts in our city.
[43:39] » I mean
>> more than that I think.
[43:42] » Yeah. Well, school district you count
all the different ones.
[43:44] » I think there's more. So
I I would ask the staff counselor's
[43:50] office in the uh in the PD to let's look
at that. Can we get a hold of admin and
[43:58] say okay we can have a crossing guard
there. You just have to submit a letter.
[44:02] Hey, we'd like to have a crossing guard
or do we even need that? Can we just
[44:08] say there is one? I I don't know
>> how how to work this. I think we can
[44:14] work together and
>> at least get an answer one way or the
[44:18] other, right?
>> Whether it's appropriate for there to be
[44:20] a crossing guard there.
>> But I think that's that's a a short poll
[44:23] that that we can work because once you
would have the process and we identify a
[44:30] person who would want to do it, get the
training done. You know, I'm not saying
[44:35] it's a tomorrow thing, but it's a short
poll. We could get that done pretty
[44:39] quick and get somebody out there this
school year. pro possibly
[44:44] » you'd be able to do that probably
quicker than to be able to fund the
[44:48] light.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The funding of light
[44:50] is years out.
>> No, we'll talk about that in a little
[44:53] bit.
>> Yeah. You know, so
[44:55] » but but but as far as short polls,
>> that's the first one. So if we could
[45:00] take that as an action to try to find a
way to get a crossing guard there. So
[45:06] that's the first thing. Somebody in a
vest with a sign
[45:09] » and say stop. could even help the cars
coming out of the neighborhood. You
[45:15] know, just keep everything organized in
that area. So, that's the first point I
[45:20] I have. The second one is you mentioned
that the Oklahoma City uh resource
[45:25] officer eventually said he couldn't do
that. So my question to you, Captain, is
[45:31] is there a reciprocal where they
actually could go uh 100 yards into OK
[45:37] Oklahoma City and do that process? As
she said that he said that he couldn't.
[45:43] » It's problematic. Their their score
resource officer would be an Edund
[45:47] police officer,
>> right?
[45:48] » And for an Edund police officer to enter
Oklahoma City limits and try to enforce
[45:52] any sort of traffic action or write a
ticket to some driver, it's impossible.
[45:58] Um,
>> so, so the reciprocal is only when
[46:01] emergencies and
>> I would expect a driver to respect the
[46:04] authority of an Edmond police officer
even though they were so close to the
[46:06] boundary line there. However, the Edmond
police officer does not have the
[46:10] authority to issue a citation in our
city limits. So there's there's no
[46:14] follow through on the authority.
>> Well, and also put them at risk
[46:18] » for they are at risk for trying to
enforce things when they don't have
[46:21] jurisdictional authority.
>> That's what I'm saying. So that's a true
[46:23] statement probably from the resource
officer. I think that the resource
[46:27] officer is doing the right thing by not
trying to enforce traffic in Oklahoma
[46:31] City.
>> Okay. Uh so I wanted to clarify that to
[46:35] make sure because that's a next day
thing that could be fixed right away. So
[46:39] if you maybe you could just ask if maybe
they could find if there is a way just
[46:46] check to make sure there is no way
>> for Edund PD to enforce traffic
[46:51] ordinance in Oklahoma City.
>> No.
[46:54] » Within 100 yards of Edund? Okay.
>> Well, you know, just to make sure that
[46:59] that's right because if if there is a
way that legal and everybody agrees that
[47:04] they could be sit there and do
something,
[47:08] if it could, then that could be a really
short poll.
[47:12] » So,
is Penn a completely a city Oklahoma
[47:17] City street?
>> Uh, could you call up where the map is
[47:22] of the
>> Yes. And it stops. It goes
[47:27] » is the crosswalk in Oklahoma City.
>> Yes.
[47:30] » Yeah. The crosswalk's in Oklahoma City
down here.
[47:34] And there's Edmond right there. So, it's
about 100 yards.
[47:38] » That blue green.
[47:43] » Now, county would be, but then they're
not the resource officer for that
[47:46] school. County. It's it's a city. Okay.
>> And then the third one, and it was
[47:52] mentioned how dark it is there. Is there
a street light at that intersection?
[47:56] » No, sir.
>> Okay. How do we ask for a street light
[47:59] to be put at that corner?
>> I believe you just did.
[48:02] » Okay. So, we're going to put in a have
the city put in a request to OG& to
[48:07] install street light there for the
darkness times.
[48:14] Uh they they usually just put one at a
corner
[48:18] » and you would think probably on the
corner of the of the uh crosswalk
[48:24] » and those LED lights that they use now
are very bright.
[48:30] » So So we have a request for lighting to
help something as soon as possible. Of
[48:35] course, we're getting into the point
now, but get into next year when it gets
[48:39] really dark in the mornings uh to be
able to have that. We're looking into uh
[48:46] can Edmond come into Oklahoma City.
We're looking into that. And then the
[48:51] last thing was I forgot it.
The crossing guard.
[48:56] » Yes. of how to how to pay for a crossing
guard that's in our area but supporting
[49:02] a school from outside the area.
>> Okay.
[49:04] » Okay. So, we're working on those three
things.
[49:06] » I I do want to point out visibility for
a crossing guard might be difficult. I I
[49:11] think you can see it in some of the
photos. The cars pull up right to to the
[49:15] crosswalk. Some even are parked on um
the crosswalk if they're waiting. And so
[49:21] whenever I've walked home before, if all
the cars are waiting, I kind of have to
[49:25] like peek around to the next like lane.
Um, so I think a crossing guard is
[49:30] great, but in the way that it it is
painted on the road now, visibility is
[49:35] tough for any human.
>> Okay. Uh,
[49:40] » will they have flag? They will have some
type of signage to
[49:44] » they have to stop sign.
>> I mean, they they won't just be jumping
[49:47] out there. They'll have some type of
warning.
[49:50] » Okay.
>> And then uh does the crosswalk need to
[49:53] be reainted?
>> I think so with just more direction.
[49:58] » Okay. So, if we could have them look to
see if it's faded out and needs to be
[50:03] reainted. Just things that we could do
now.
[50:06] » Yes. I appreciate any typical road
paints that say crosswalk ahead or
[50:11] anything as somebody's driving up toward
it or are we solely dependent on just
[50:16] those light? Well, and then we have the
crosswalk sign.
[50:20] » Yeah, there's there's that. And there's
um there are school zone flashers on the
[50:25] approach to it.
>> And are those activated at the right
[50:30] times? Are there sequences correct on
the timing because those could be
[50:35] adjusted?
>> That's a great question. So, um kids
[50:38] start walking to school probably at you
think like 6:50 7, but the lights don't
[50:43] go on until 7:10. And so there are kids
crossing when the speed limit is 40.
[50:48] » Okay. So let me clarify. I believe the
the actual school gets on a website and
[50:54] adjusts those times.
>> No, the school will send us uh
[50:57] information on crossing times when they
want the flashers to be activated.
[51:02] » Okay,
>> that's how we work that.
[51:03] » And then even for holidays, they send
you a note say please turn them off for
[51:07] » We typically get an annual schedule.
>> Okay,
[51:09] » so like right now the the flasher should
be deactivated for spring break. Okay.
[51:15] » So, they need the school to contact you
or Okay.
[51:19] » Okay.
>> So, the school needs to You just need to
[51:22] let them know what time people start
crossing and when it should be
[51:25] activated. Okay.
>> Good. All right. We're just trying to
[51:28] make it as safe as possible. I
appreciate it so much.
[51:31] » Know what we have.
>> Now, zone was extended the last time I
[51:35] requested this is because it used to be
so Frontier Elementary was built first.
[51:40] School zone was put in for Frontier.
Then Hartland was built a few years
[51:43] later and the school zone wasn't moved
to compensate. Um and so that that has
[51:48] helped um
>> for responsible drivers, but there there
[51:52] are still cars flying through there
probably up to 60 miles per hour.
[51:57] » Okay. And then while we're still
talking,
[52:00] uh a signal light, as it was mentioned
in the staff re report, would require a
[52:06] a widening of the road to put a a left
turn lane there. And also we just did a
[52:13] general obligation bond which goes out
for about 10 years and all that bond has
[52:19] been allocated.
And so we're so you're talking a very
[52:24] long-term process before it could get
in.
[52:27] » Right.
>> But I always recommend to the applicant
[52:30] you have a city council person and the
city council allocates funds. We don't.
[52:37] We just say okay we we want a light. we
want this and it goes into the system,
[52:42] the staff system, and the staff gets
counsel by the city council. So, if this
[52:49] gets approved
>> and it's something that uh $250,000
[52:54] project,
that's a long time before it's going to
[52:58] get done. That's why I'm trying to get
all these things cleared up as much as
[53:02] we can. But if you think it's such a big
priority,
[53:07] then your council person needs to know
that that it's a big priority for you.
[53:12] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Then you go from there.
[53:14] » See what they can do.
>> Is it legal to I mean $250,000 is a lot.
[53:19] Would it be legal to fund raise at H
Heartland or Frontier to help move this
[53:24] process along?
>> Yes.
[53:27] » Cool.
>> Yeah. there there's neighborhoods and
[53:30] and areas and shopping centers that that
the the developer or the neighborhood
[53:34] helps fund
>> to make it move quicker. So, there there
[53:37] are ways to do that. I would definitely
get with your city council person
[53:41] » and or our city council person and um
let them know, you know, that you're
[53:47] going to try to fund raise to that you
guys really think you need it.
[53:50] » That helps move things along.
>> Okay.
[53:51] » But but it is it could be a 10-year
project. That's why this the crossing
[53:55] guard was a great idea for now, you
know, because it could be even in the
[53:59] quickest it's going to be a year or two.
>> Okay. So,
[54:01] » yeah. No, I appreciate the thoroughess
very much. I'm learning a lot.
[54:05] » I had a whisper in my ear. It's probably
close to a million.
[54:09] » Okay.
>> Yeah, it's Yeah,
[54:11] » I was talking 40 year ago money. No.
>> Yeah, it's a lot.
[54:15] » It it it's probably it's probably a very
big number.
[54:19] » So,
>> quick question on that point.
[54:21] » Yes, sir.
>> So, the recommendation was for widening.
[54:23] Can you explain why we would want some
winding on this one? Because there's not
[54:27] really left turning accidents that we're
worried about. There's not rear ends
[54:30] happening there that so proportionately
that we would say, "Oh boy, we really
[54:34] need to separate the left turners out of
the through movement." This is really to
[54:38] try to stop people from going through
there quickly. I don't know if a
[54:42] widening is needed. I guess I'm not
understanding it.
[54:45] Well, I can I can tell you that just
about on every application where we've
[54:48] had where a traffic signal was installed
without roadway widening, almost from
[54:54] the day the signal gets turned on, we
start getting basically calls and
[54:58] requests for turn signals because they
can't make a left turn. Then we get
[55:02] asked to modify signal phasing to
accommodate left turns. Um when we did
[55:07] the 2017 general obligation bond, the
majority of projects in the uh in
[55:13] Proposition 3, which was for traffic
control, was to do widening projects at
[55:18] roadways where traffic signals had been
installed, but left turn lanes had not
[55:23] been included. So,
>> and I completely get everyone wants the
[55:27] Cadillac when they get Cadillac, right?
>> I think you guys want something that's
[55:31] functional as soon as possible. with
that. I think honestly the cost of just
[55:35] the signals is closer to that that 250
number when you do the widening and you
[55:40] have to go buy right away have to move
utilities and then you start ballooning
[55:44] the cost up and it's scope creep and
it's not only just money, it's time.
[55:48] It's going to take an extra four or five
years to get through the project
[55:51] development process to get to the point
of being able to do the roadway
[55:54] improvements. you start now you're at 15
years before you're starting to see the
[55:59] improvements as opposed to if you can go
figure out where signals can go in there
[56:03] do some sue analysis to see where you're
not going to be hitting some utilities
[56:07] you can go put some foundations in
tomorrow technically not with we don't
[56:11] have the money but if we have the money
put foundations in now get that set up
[56:14] with the cabinet and they'd be
operational without having to go buy
[56:17] right away and move utilities so yes it
won't function as great as something
[56:23] with those left turn bays but it would
function a lot faster and be a lot more
[56:27] cost effective.
>> Well,
[56:31] » remind everyone that the only place to
turn left that's not out of the
[56:35] neighborhood is going northbound on Penn
and there is the right lane that someone
[56:39] could get around if somebody's turning
left. When you're heading south there on
[56:44] Penn, there's nowhere to turn left. It's
a because it's essentially a three-way,
[56:48] » right? So we turn left into the
neighborhood all the time every day
[56:52] without a light and it's it doesn't
block up traffic. So just I appreciate
[56:58] you saying why do we have to widen?
>> Well and alter alternatively the uh if
[57:04] this is for a school crossing purpose
the school uh students don't have to
[57:09] cross at 198 street. If they wanted to
cross at a location north of that, then
[57:13] you could put then you could put in a
signal and not have to put worry about
[57:18] any roadway widening. So, say like the
crossing was located pretty much at the
[57:22] uh Oklahoma County, Edund, and Oklahoma
City limits, a uh a standard crossing
[57:29] just for pedestrian activity could be
installed. And that would not
[57:32] » solve a lot of problems having the
resource officer being able actually go
[57:36] police that then too.
>> It would be closer to the school.
[57:41] So
>> you'd have to build a sidewalk.
[57:43] » Yeah. So what you're saying is we build
a sidewalk on the left side on the west
[57:48] side
>> up to the green line where the county is
[57:54] and put the crosswalk there. And then we
could do like the 23rd Street crosswalk
[58:00] by the theater where it's just a push a
button and it turns a red light. Your
[58:05] concern is if we do that there because
it's an intersection it creates traffic
[58:11] flow problems. Who has a right away when
it's red light and yada yada. So that's
[58:18] a solution. Do you see what we're saying
ma'am?
[58:21] » Do you see what we're saying?
>> Yes. Go all the way to Coell. build a
[58:25] sidewalk to go north on the west side of
the road and put the crosswalk up there
[58:33] right at the school
where it's Edmond right down. No, down
[58:40] » down right there. Yeah.
>> Put a light there.
[58:45] » Well, then you could put Now that's not
a road, is it? That's just the entrance
[58:50] to the school.
>> Yes. That's car drop off.
[58:54] » Yeah, that's the entrance to the school.
It's not a road.
[58:56] » It's on the south side of the school.
Yes.
[58:58] » Right. But it's not a road.
>> It's not a road.
[59:00] » Street road. Okay. So, what we're saying
is
[59:04] have the students walk up on the west
side of the road going north and then
[59:11] put an a stop light activated crosswalk
like we have on 23rd Street by the Tower
[59:19] Theater. Is that what it's called? Mhm.
>> And we put that in as a midblock
[59:23] crossing where it actually stops
traffic.
[59:27] And that way you could do that. And And
how much
[59:31] less expensive is that than you know
>> that would be considerably less
[59:36] expensive because you'd only need two
signal poles for a project like that,
[59:40] » right? And I thought that was like
150,000 when they asked for an amount
[59:45] and then the city because we were going
to split it. You remember that they had
[59:49] that they were going to pay half and we
were going to pay half and then the city
[59:52] ate it.
>> Yeah. I would guess it would probably be
[59:55] 200,000 maybe a little bit less than
that for
[59:57] » Okay.
>> a midblock type crossing
[1:00:02] » just a second. Yeah. Just a second. Just
a second. Second. Let's let them finish
[1:00:06] up here.
[1:00:13] » Actually, I think that sidewalk is in
place already. You just have to have a
[1:00:16] landing that would come up to back up to
pin.
[1:00:20] » We need
Do you have a picture of that area
[1:00:24] closer that we can zoom in on? There we
go.
[1:00:29] » Is that a sidewalk going up that way?
>> Yeah.
[1:00:32] » So, there already is a sidewalk up to
that spot.
[1:00:36] » On the left side, it needs to be
extended. That's somebody that's
[1:00:40] farmland. That's not the neighborhood,
>> but right at the end of that sidewalk.
[1:00:45] Right at the end of the sidewalk, that's
where we we put the crossing
[1:00:49] » is where it would be put.
>> Oh, on our propert
[1:00:53] Yeah. Right there.
>> Right across there to the sidewalk.
[1:00:57] » Okay. And then we could do a a
walker activated stop stop light which
[1:01:06] would cut down the cost.
>> Mhm.
[1:01:10] » And uh only be used when it needs to be
used and it wouldn't require and it
[1:01:15] would move all that
energy closer to the school where it
[1:01:22] could be managed better. probably
>> the only concern is that would make it
[1:01:27] even harder for parents to turn left out
of the school onto 10 because it'll
[1:01:31] block up traffic when it gets activated
and then those cars will start going and
[1:01:37] then the cars will never get out of the
school.
[1:01:40] » Well, you're not talking a whole lot of
distance. What's that about 150 yards?
[1:01:46] If that
[1:01:50] and Edund PD could probably enforce your
resource officer to go out and help.
[1:01:55] Again, this is not anything that would
happen today
[1:01:59] and it would be an option to the to the
signal light and we'd have to ask
[1:02:04] council, do we need to can we modify
down to something like this?
[1:02:09] Well, it might be problematic with Open
Meeting Act because we we posted notice
[1:02:15] about action being taken at 198th and
Penn.
[1:02:18] » Okay.
>> And I mean, I know it's close, but it is
[1:02:21] a different intersection, a different
area. There could potentially be other
[1:02:25] people interested in in that question.
>> No, that's a good point.
[1:02:29] » We wouldn't be I don't think we'd be
able to pro approve that today, but it
[1:02:34] certainly is an option that could be
brought back. So, we could press on with
[1:02:39] this item. Let's say it gets approved.
We all know that that's a 10-year out
[1:02:43] thing for a for a million-doll project.
Then the staff could maybe look at a
[1:02:49] cost thing and see if there's effort
available from the city to maybe move
[1:02:55] something up. It see, you know, it could
start the process of looking at
[1:03:00] different options.
>> Okay.
[1:03:04] And we're already looking at some
short-term options and we could maybe
[1:03:08] look at a long-term option other than a
signal light there
[1:03:11] » and look at
>> I think it's a good idea.
[1:03:14] » Okay. Do you have any more input on
this?
[1:03:19] » Yes, sir.
>> Please come up to the mic.
[1:03:24] » Just wait. Just wait a second. Come up
to the mic.
[1:03:27] » Now I'll talk. Uh, I'd like to reinforce
that idea because the problem is that
[1:03:33] the people coming from the county are
growing in number daily and they drive
[1:03:39] faster and faster like Cara said up to
50 and 60 miles an hour and they don't
[1:03:45] care whether the cars are stationary
from 192nd to 206th trying to get into
[1:03:52] the school. They come speeding through
there. It's a 40 mile per hour zone and
[1:03:58] there's ve very little distance between
that. They come racing up and down
[1:04:04] actually. But the morning is the biggest
hazard with dropping children from the
[1:04:10] right. The cars are parked stationary.
They park across the pedestrian
[1:04:14] crossing. So everybody has to determine
that poor God will be his life will be
[1:04:21] at risk or the person's life will be at
risk with every child that he takes
[1:04:26] across there because nobody obeys the
law. They come racing down there at that
[1:04:31] speed with all the traffic congestion on
the right hand side. So nobody's moving
[1:04:36] here. And just bit just south of the the
image there's two communities where
[1:04:44] people need to enter and exit. So that
whole stretch where they're also going
[1:04:49] to squeeze the integrous
uh clinic that's opening in a month's
[1:04:56] time. Um paint has got to be less than a
million dollars. There's lots of
[1:05:02] opportunity to put bold
paint on the roads.
[1:05:08] By slowing the traffic down to 25 miles
an hour where they supposed to do it
[1:05:16] would help. They would be moving more
slowly in that section. They've just
[1:05:22] recently come along and stuck a big 40
mph sign as you exit to go south.
[1:05:31] that could even be it visible there with
a shadow
[1:05:35] saying okay you've passed the school
zone you can do 60 miles an hour um and
[1:05:42] uh it it's just treacherous
>> thanks for having
[1:05:49] » thank you sir you had a comment I
believe
[1:05:52] » just point of interest there's a a
midblock pedestrian crosswalk that was
[1:05:58] installed more recently than 23rd on
Northwest 63rd
[1:06:02] » between Western and what would that be?
Western Avenue and Grand Boulevard. You
[1:06:09] » I think it's between Western and Grand.
>> Could could be a good cost study there.
[1:06:15] » All right. All right. Any other talk on
item 5D?
[1:06:20] » Yes, sir.
>> So, definitely supportive of something
[1:06:22] needs to be done here
>> with us talking about the idea of moving
[1:06:27] the crosswalk up north a little bit. Is
this something that we could look at
[1:06:30] deferring action on this item until next
month while we are looking into what we
[1:06:35] need to do as far as open meeting act
requirements to maybe bring something on
[1:06:39] that instead or what what's the
procedural process here?
[1:06:42] » Well, what are you looking at wanting to
do by moving it? I mean moving a
[1:06:46] crosswalk is a simple process. Moving a
crosswalk and putting up a signal light
[1:06:52] is a little different,
>> right? And if we are approving the
[1:06:55] lights right now and then we're going to
talk about moving the crosswalk up to
[1:06:57] the north, does that make sense to have
the crosswalk separated from the signal
[1:07:01] lights that we'd be approving today?
>> Well,
[1:07:06] let's say after a year or two, it's
determined that the best option is a
[1:07:12] signal crosswalk
and move to that area. Then a motion
[1:07:17] comes up and we just cancel the light at
that place and
[1:07:24] make and approve that to occur
as a midblock crossing.
[1:07:31] » Am I Am I right?
>> Yeah. I mean, the the commission could
[1:07:34] undo a previously approved action,
>> right?
[1:07:39] This would just be a a long-term poll
put in the system
[1:07:43] and then if something better comes up
that's a least cost effective something
[1:07:49] could be done quicker maybe
>> uh then we would just undo what we did.
[1:07:56] » Well, and to reiterate, supportive of
doing something here. much more
[1:08:00] supportive of not including the widening
to make that long pole a little bit
[1:08:04] shorter so that potentially a bake sale
could happen or something that could
[1:08:09] help fund this a little bit faster with
the partnership with the city.
[1:08:13] » Right.
>> Right. For and for us to uh consider a
[1:08:16] midblock c signalized midblock crossing
to the north of 198 street would need to
[1:08:21] just get a revised request from the
applicant.
[1:08:23] » Yeah.
But we would want to know is that
[1:08:27] something that we would want is that
something that would work
[1:08:31] and then like we said work with your
with your council person to make to get
[1:08:36] their buy in because they can go hey
maybe find a smaller number easier than
[1:08:43] a bigger number.
Okay. Any other talk on item 5D? I've
[1:08:49] got a question on
>> on on pin kind of this whole new north
[1:08:55] pin new in the last 10 years 15 years
but um are there any intersections that
[1:09:01] have lights that don't have the turn or
on May that don't have that center that
[1:09:05] center left turn lane or they all
because they're almost all fairly new
[1:09:12] intersections
>> just about all new intersections come
[1:09:14] with turn lanes
>> so that you don't you can't think of any
[1:09:17] that are on here
Well, there there are a lot of existing
[1:09:21] intersections.
>> Yeah.
[1:09:22] » That were constructed, you know, further
in the past that will have like no turn
[1:09:26] lanes
>> and some will function all right, but
[1:09:29] others I mean, when you look at the size
of the development on the west side of
[1:09:32] Pennsylvania Avenue now, and there's
room for additional development to occur
[1:09:37] further to the west, uh this would
probably be a location where we would
[1:09:41] get a call for
>> to add a left turn
[1:09:44] » for widening. Okay. Well, you make a lot
of sense with what you're saying though.
[1:09:49] So,
>> yes, ma'am.
[1:09:52] » I was gonna say over on Danforth, not
far from us between um Penn and Western,
[1:09:59] the Danforth Farms neighborhood has a
four-way flashing stop that is just now
[1:10:03] getting a light, but has been flashing
stop signs for at least eight years that
[1:10:07] I've been here. So, there is one that
didn't have turn lanes.
[1:10:11] » That's correct. That's correct with the
that signal went in without turn lanes
[1:10:15] and that's because the uh the amount of
earth work that would be required and
[1:10:19] the and the size of the retaining walls
which would be necessary to widen um 100
[1:10:25] or 192nd Street at that location. It' be
pretty staggering because uh the
[1:10:30] properties that are on this especially
on the south side of 192nd Street sit
[1:10:35] considerably higher than 192nd itself.
Okay. Any other talk on 5D?
[1:10:45] » Just real quick, the concerns I and I
hate to go back to this, but the concern
[1:10:49] I have is that if you really got people
willing to go through a 25 mph zone, the
[1:10:54] school zone at 60 m hour, we need some
officers on the scene to slow people
[1:11:01] down. The other thing is I'm want I hate
to go back to it, but I personally would
[1:11:07] prefer to have an adult escorting
children across Pennsylvania Avenue. If
[1:11:13] I would really like to see y'all pursue
that because if your drivers on the
[1:11:18] north pin are that inattentive to pay
attention to a speed zone, I'm not sure
[1:11:24] how attentive they're going to be to uh
trying to get through a light quickly.
[1:11:29] Uh it just seems like that an adult
cross crossing guard would be the most
[1:11:35] effective way to make sure the kids get
across safely.
[1:11:41] » All right. So, Captain, could you put
the word out to that sector to please go
[1:11:45] look at this area and monitor it as best
as they can?
[1:11:49] » All right. Thank you very much, sir.
Okay. Any more for 5D?
[1:11:54] We have a motion to approve 5D from
Commissioner George to include the
[1:11:58] recommendation from staff seconded by
Commissioner Littlefield. Who votes,
[1:12:02] please?
>> And just real quick before I vote, so if
[1:12:07] we vote yes on this and it has the staff
recommendation, would that preclude us
[1:12:12] from funding signals if it didn't
include widening?
[1:12:16] » We could always change things. We can
change it, but is there a reason why we
[1:12:20] wouldn't just say let's fund it with
let's approve it right now without the
[1:12:24] required widening and if it needs
widening in the future that doesn't even
[1:12:28] have to come to this board, does it?
>> No. No, it would not. I mean, if if the
[1:12:34] intersection is signalized, it can be
modified at any time after that. So long
[1:12:38] as the traffic signal is maintained. I
mean, turn lanes can be added whether
[1:12:42] left or right turn. It doesn't require
any further action by this body.
[1:12:46] » Yeah. But it's it's city policy. It's
city not policy but
[1:12:53] » norm city norm that
>> best design practice.
[1:12:56] » Best design practice. Anytime you put in
a signal light, you put a left turn.
[1:13:01] » Yeah. I I do want to make sure mention
that as you put that left turn in,
[1:13:04] you're just increasing the distance that
those people have to walk as well across
[1:13:08] that street.
>> Right. And we provide adequate
[1:13:10] pedestrian clearance time for the for
the additional roadway width.
[1:13:15] Well, and completely understand. Just
because there's more time doesn't mean
[1:13:18] that someone doesn't run a red light and
hit and still.
[1:13:21] » Exactly.
>> The best design in the world will not
[1:13:23] preclude someone from running a red
light.
[1:13:24] » Completely agree. Just it seems odd that
we couldn't just approve the signals by
[1:13:29] themselves and then if widening is
necessary in the future, we figure out
[1:13:33] the widening that goes through,
especially as you work with communities
[1:13:36] to see if that's something that's
actually an issue in the future. again
[1:13:40] very supportive of I'm about to vote yes
on this but I just wanted to talk
[1:13:44] through that because right now what
we're saying is we're approving a
[1:13:47] project that is going to be a million
dollars plus which may kick the the can
[1:13:51] down the road that much further as
opposed to something that may be a much
[1:13:54] more attainable project in the near
term.
[1:13:56] » Okay. So then let me
say to uh to to
[1:14:04] Commissioner George
>> do you want to modify your motion? Yeah,
[1:14:09] I you know, I think you've your your
points are just right on. So, I I I
[1:14:13] would like to modify my motion to uh
approve the application um not including
[1:14:19] the widening of the road at this point.
Um
[1:14:24] there you go. Appreciate.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:26] » Okay. And then I go to the second.
Commissioner Littlefield, do you agree
[1:14:30] with the modification and do you
continue your second
[1:14:35] or do you
>> Look at y'all staring at me.
[1:14:44] There's a lot of things going on in
intersections that are controlled by
[1:14:49] lights besides pedestrians.
>> Oh yeah,
[1:14:52] » there's lots of things going on. One of
them and I've always been taught
[1:14:57] certainly in was if it was a signalized
intersection and it didn't have a a
[1:15:03] designated left turn lane, we see rear
end accidents all the time. You know,
[1:15:09] where where do you where do you put the
value of safety and and life saving when
[1:15:16] you skip one thing to make it safer for
another element? when we've had really
[1:15:25] good discussion here today about a human
being being present at the intersection
[1:15:30] probably would
solve 99% of safety issues with children
[1:15:35] as pedestrians there.
>> So, um I don't know if I want to if I
[1:15:40] want to agree seconding
your motion.
[1:15:44] » The uh let me ask on the light. Would
there still be a left arrow just in just
[1:15:50] in that in
>> without a left turn lane? The only way
[1:15:54] you could accommodate something like
that would be to attempt a splitphase
[1:15:58] operation, but it would not be very
traffic responsive. We would have to use
[1:16:02] a pre-programmed left turn arrow and it
would just use our best guess as far as
[1:16:07] the amount of left turn time allotted.
>> And to be fair, we're talking about an
[1:16:11] intersection that doesn't meet warrants
right now, right?
[1:16:14] » That's correct. So, I mean, the rules of
how we would do an intersection based on
[1:16:19] warrants is different than one that
doesn't meet warrants. And now we're
[1:16:22] saying, well, but how would this
function the best? Well, what we're
[1:16:25] trying to do is talk about kids crossing
the street. It's very different than how
[1:16:28] do we move vehicles around here? How we
make sure these left turners are getting
[1:16:32] through there? And we may end up with a
situation where yes, there could be a
[1:16:38] potential for rear end accidents that
happen in the future. I would hope that
[1:16:41] as we are getting closer to actually
implementing this project, there would
[1:16:46] be a look at what the AAD is at that
time and what turning movements there
[1:16:50] are, what kind of collisions are there,
so we could make the determination does
[1:16:53] a widening necessitate now or did we not
need it?
[1:16:58] » Well, you could always you could always
uh look at it that from the perspective
[1:17:02] that it will never be less expensive to
put in a left turn lane to do it now
[1:17:06] than it will be to retrofit it in the
future. Yeah.
[1:17:09] » Well,
>> from the it sounds like from the
[1:17:14] discussion that we've had, it would be
make more sense to have a pedestrian
[1:17:20] crossing light than an actual traffic
light. Well, I mean, it's we're talking
[1:17:25] about widening. We're talking about it
just it's what you're describing. It
[1:17:30] would make more sense just to have a
pedestrian crossing light than the
[1:17:35] actual traffic light,
>> but not at that intersection because
[1:17:39] then it creates traffic flow problems
because when the when
[1:17:44] » admittedly when the reds go away, who
has priority and all this other thing?
[1:17:49] » If you moved it down,
>> what move it up? Yeah,
[1:17:52] » I mean move it to the north. That would
be correct. I wouldn't have any
[1:17:55] heartburn with that, but it just seems
like it would make more sense than an
[1:17:58] actual traffic light if we're going to
go the light route instead of a crossing
[1:18:06] guard or with it. Just seems like it
would make more sense. It would be able
[1:18:12] to installed without the road work.
We're not having to worry about the turn
[1:18:17] lane. uh we don't have to worry about
the light functioning whenever the
[1:18:22] school is out
>> because the light would still function,
[1:18:25] » you know, whether school's in session or
not.
[1:18:27] » And if what we're trying to do is make
sure the kids are pedestrians safely,
[1:18:33] then that would make the most sense.
>> I've got to ask the applicant if they
[1:18:40] want to submit them.
Well,
[1:18:45] I I think a way ahead is to proceed with
this
[1:18:50] » to get it on the list,
>> right?
[1:18:52] » We all know the list is 10 10 years out,
>> right?
[1:18:57] » And then we all know that we're working
some short-term issues.
[1:19:01] » Right. And then we're working a
medium-term also where the staff is
[1:19:05] going to look at to what would it take
to be able to put a midterm crossing at
[1:19:10] the end of that sidewalk up there by the
school.
[1:19:14] » If they the applicant, everybody comes
back to us and says, "Hey, we this will
[1:19:21] work and it'll be a lot cheaper.
Even if we just move the crosswalk up
[1:19:26] there without the signal light, maybe
even better."
[1:19:30] that may be even another thing to think
about as a short term.
[1:19:35] » But then to go ahead and say, "Okay, we
need 200,000 is different than saying we
[1:19:41] need 1 million and if it can be fit into
a budget of operating money compared to
[1:19:47] a bond issue."
>> Well, that's where city council gets in,
[1:19:51] » right?
>> And then we could present all that to
[1:19:53] the city council and say, "This is what
is recommended."
[1:19:58] And then once that happens and there's
no more need for the light, then
[1:20:02] something comes to us and we say stop
it.
[1:20:06] » That's all I'm saying is that that's my
recommended flow which is to proceed on
[1:20:12] with this to include the staff
recommendation
[1:20:16] » because that's the worst case
meaning it costwise worst case costwise
[1:20:23] you know whether it's 700 you know five
500,000 for the light and 500,000 for
[1:20:30] the lane. That's still going to wait for
the for the bond.
[1:20:35] » So, am I not able to second his modified
recommendation? I'd love to do that.
[1:20:38] » Well,
>> yes.
[1:20:39] » You pulled your second.
>> I pulled my second.
[1:20:43] » I'll second it.
>> You'll second without staff
[1:20:45] recommendation. Okay. So, now we have a
motion
[1:20:48] » to approve if we can change when we get
that here in a second. once she changes
[1:20:55] it.
>> And may I change my vote?
[1:21:00] » Well, we have to here. Yeah.
>> You know, it just it moves it from a
[1:21:04] 10-year to a five-year by not by not
widening right now. And but then all
[1:21:10] these other steps are still in place,
which which you know the moving it up,
[1:21:16] putting the red the the stop, you know,
so the crossing guard, I mean, all those
[1:21:21] are in place now also. or will be
>> could be.
[1:21:25] » So, you know, I just think it it's the
>> Okay, so we have any more talk?
[1:21:33] » Traffic signal
>> hit your button.
[1:21:37] If a traffic signal here is approved
today and the improve the necessary
[1:21:42] improvements along with it, which is a
designated left turn lane, would that
[1:21:48] intersection produce two crosswalks, one
to the north and one to the south, or
[1:21:53] would it just be the one remaining
crosswalk?
[1:21:57] » You mean uh having crossing going across
198 plus a crossing going across uh pen?
[1:22:03] » No. um
>> on the north side of the intersection
[1:22:07] and the south side of the intersection
on pin.
[1:22:10] » Oh,
>> okay.
[1:22:14] » It would take a separate application for
a midblock a signalized midblock
[1:22:18] pedestrian crossing north of 198 Street.
>> Okay. That's that was just a question.
[1:22:23] The the comment that I want to make is
if it's if it's decided,
[1:22:30] we're coming up with great ideas to help
these people. Believe me, I'm not
[1:22:33] arguing with any of that.
>> But if we if we decide today to just do
[1:22:38] a light
>> and and leave the need for a designated
[1:22:44] left turn lane to the future, that
pushes that back into that 10-year realm
[1:22:51] of time, most more likely than not, too.
So,
[1:22:58] I'm just saying it. Well, well, what'll
happen is
[1:23:03] after five, eight, 10 years when they're
starting ready to go for another bond
[1:23:08] and they would look at this, they will
they'll go out and do another study.
[1:23:12] They'll look at traffic flow. They'll
look at what's all going on. And if they
[1:23:15] determine that they need a left turn and
to put it in, then staff would just do
[1:23:21] that. Am I right, sir?
>> Yeah.
[1:23:24] » Right. that you know when we make a
recommendation and we say to include
[1:23:28] staff that's just so when the staff goes
to the budget process and the planning
[1:23:34] process he has us in his back pocket he
can pull out and say traffic commission
[1:23:38] said it
>> but 8 to 10 years from now traffic is
[1:23:42] double more things are going on there's
more of a risk they do their assessment
[1:23:48] they look and go oh the traffic
commission didn't say it but they were
[1:23:51] looking at this narrow time
>> now it requires this,
[1:23:56] » they just do it.
>> They just do it. They don't
[1:23:58] » and they would add it into the project.
No, it wouldn't come back to us.
[1:24:01] » Oh, really? Okay.
>> You know, that's the the whole re, you
[1:24:06] know, the light is the thing.
>> The staff recommendation is part of the
[1:24:12] » planning and and who gets what kind of
thing. And if if if
[1:24:16] » if staff can have us as a backend, got
>> that helps. So like here, you know,
[1:24:23] let's say that it goes opposite. People
move out of the area and there's
[1:24:26] nothing. Well, you know,
>> right?
[1:24:28] » That's But that's not going to happen.
No.
[1:24:30] » In Oklahoma City,
>> it's just going to get worse and we know
[1:24:33] that.
>> So whether we go just the light or the
[1:24:38] light with recommendation, we're really
just saying the light.
[1:24:43] the the recommendation if
staff determines for safety and all that
[1:24:50] that something like that needs to be in
there, well, they're just going to do
[1:24:53] it.
>> Okay.
[1:24:54] » That's not anything that's our concern.
>> Am I correct, staff?
[1:25:00] » Yes. But typically, we put those things
in there because u it's it's best for uh
[1:25:06] others who may be looking at this in the
future. I mean, there's always staff
[1:25:09] turnover,
>> right? that that there's a record that
[1:25:13] turn lane improvements are supposed to
be included in a project like this.
[1:25:17] » The uh
but if we include it, you're not going
[1:25:22] to put a light in unless you widen it,
right? It's not like you're going to
[1:25:26] make that decision,
>> right?
[1:25:29] » What I'm saying, I mean, it the light's
not going until the w it gets widened if
[1:25:33] it if that's included
>> or it' be concurrent. H
[1:25:36] » it would be concurrent though the
intersection and
[1:25:39] » this way we can put a light in hopefully
a lot quicker for six $700,000 less and
[1:25:46] they can get it and maybe even help fund
it a little bit. But uh so that's my
[1:25:52] only I mean
>> of course I think the application before
[1:25:54] you is based is all based on pedestrian
safety for kids that are leaving that
[1:25:59] are crossing from the west side of Penn
to get to school in which case a
[1:26:03] midblock a signalized midblock
pedestrian crossing away from 198 street
[1:26:07] could still be an option
>> right
[1:26:09] » y
>> yeah and that's what what I would
[1:26:13] suggest you all do
>> bring that back
[1:26:16] » rightward
>> yeah and you all will have to do that.
[1:26:20] You'll have to make that application
>> because it won't come back on its own.
[1:26:27] » You you as a group need to think about
>> moving that up and getting the red light
[1:26:32] so that there'll be a safe crossing up
by the school,
[1:26:36] but you'll have to bring that
application
[1:26:39] because they we can't just do it, I
don't think. So, you all have to make
[1:26:43] it. Then you'll have that one might only
take a year. This one if it gets
[1:26:48] approved might take five years and if we
go back to widening it probably take 10
[1:26:53] years. So you know how quick you want to
do things.
[1:26:57] » Well let me just throw it out there.
>> Yeah.
[1:27:02] An option that could happen is the
applicant asked to defer this item
[1:27:08] » until staff and the applicant looks at a
possibility of doing a mid block
[1:27:16] crossing
>> up there by the school as we were
[1:27:20] talking about at the end of that
sidewalk
[1:27:24] » because I I don't want to say to defer
this and and immediately go home and
[1:27:30] type one up and submit because I don't
know if it can be done. I don't, you
[1:27:34] know, I haven't been out there.
Don't know right away. Don't know all
[1:27:39] that kind of stuff. All that probably
has to be looked at, right?
[1:27:42] » So,
>> so they can they can do a study just on
[1:27:45] your recommendation?
>> Uh, no. I would say that
[1:27:50] uh they would probably want to after
this item is voted on,
[1:27:57] » they would still want to submit a
package. Well, I'm just saying if they
[1:28:00] wanted to defer this,
>> they could defer,
[1:28:04] » but then on your recommendation, he can
do the the the more further north
[1:28:10] crosswalk.
>> Yeah, I was about to say on in this
[1:28:13] particular case, you know, deferring it,
withdrawing it, it's not going to change
[1:28:17] the timeline for its construction. If
the applicant would like to visit with
[1:28:21] us after this meeting is over and
explore options maybe for a a midblock
[1:28:25] pedestrian crossing someplace north of
198th Street. It doesn't have to
[1:28:29] necessarily be right at the uh you know
very close to the school's driveway.
[1:28:34] Could be at a location which would allow
both to function you know both 198th
[1:28:38] Street and the school driveway to
function
[1:28:41] » without with minimal congestion. We can
explore that option
[1:28:45] » because then you're only talking minor
infrastructure change by creating a a
[1:28:52] sidewalk entrance to the road a pen.
>> That's correct.
[1:28:55] » And then the crosswalk, you know, the
ADA stuff and then up to the sideway. So
[1:29:00] what he's saying is maybe not even all
the way up north to the school between
[1:29:05] the school road and
the 198
[1:29:11] » 198
>> 198 somewhere in between there to across
[1:29:15] it. And that way that clears that
intersection all the way. Kids don't
[1:29:20] even have to be around all that traffic.
It's halfway up. It doesn't affect the
[1:29:25] school entrance.
And that might work. And then we can put
[1:29:30] a school uh crossing light there where
you push a button, it turns red,
[1:29:36] everybody stops, cross, turns green,
recycles. Got to push a button again. Uh
[1:29:43] and it doesn't affect that's a good idea
also. And see, that's why I'm saying
[1:29:48] right here is not the place to actually
write it out.
[1:29:53] » So the option back to you, we could
proceed on with this vote and get it
[1:29:57] going. We could you could say let's
defer and let and I could ask the staff
[1:30:01] to just look at everything that we just
talked about and talk to you and come
[1:30:06] back with a a different option.
[1:30:12] Yes, sir.
I will say that I am having trouble
[1:30:18] supporting
a motion
[1:30:23] to do this without addressing all things
intersection.
[1:30:27] But I do support
taking this for the next 30 days and
[1:30:33] having the applicant and staff have an
opportunity to talk about something that
[1:30:39] is in my mind more in line with your
thinking
[1:30:43] in time and money and effectiveness.
I'm I'm seeing a little bit of a mess at
[1:30:48] this intersection that I'm not
comfortable with that I wasn't aware of
[1:30:53] until you guys started bringing up your
thoughts. So I would support a a
[1:30:59] continuence. Definitely.
>> Ma'am, now that you heard all this,
[1:31:07] maybe you can help us kind of my life
for like two years. I know it just you
[1:31:11] can go on and on and on. Um
I Is the crossing guard still going to
[1:31:17] be funded? Is that still something that
we're
[1:31:19] » Yes, that's something that's going to be
looked at. Can we do it?
[1:31:21] » Okay.
>> How do we work with Edmond School? How
[1:31:23] do we do it? All that.
>> Right. Thank you. I mean, everything
[1:31:26] you've suggested, I promise I'm going to
continue to try to work on. Um, I mean,
[1:31:31] I I still think there needs to be some
traffic control. I think that Pin is
[1:31:37] just get going to get busier and busier.
They're building up like crazy. New
[1:31:40] apartments. Um, our entrance to Loanada,
it's not just us leaving. There's
[1:31:45] Castleberry behind us, Skyler's Court.
Um, so so it really isn't just Loanata's
[1:31:50] um entrance. So, I I I still like the
original solution,
[1:31:57] but with the time being cut in half.
>> Oh,
[1:32:03] » yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:32:07] » All right. So,
counselor.
[1:32:11] » Well, I say whatever we do,
>> right?
[1:32:14] » Whatever we do, it has to come from the
commission.
[1:32:17] » Correct. Um, so I mean if if we want to
defer to the next meeting, then
[1:32:23] Commissioner George could revise his his
motion again or we could continue with
[1:32:28] the motion. That's
>> where I'm going right now.
[1:32:31] » I think we're at a point.
>> All right, we're going back. We
[1:32:36] currently have a motion to approve 5D
from Commissioner George, seconded by
[1:32:43] Commissioner Wyn. No votes yet. uh
without mentioning staff recommendation.
[1:32:49] That's the current motion on the table.
Is that motion stand, Commissioner
[1:32:54] George?
>> You know,
[1:32:56] you know, I
don't know. I I I kind of think that we
[1:33:01] had to look at that. You know, again,
the whole thing is to make it safer for
[1:33:05] the kids as quickly as possible, right?
And so I think that 30-day, can we get
[1:33:11] it done in 30 days? you know, um,
>> from a from
[1:33:15] » I know it's hard for you all to
>> come back.
[1:33:18] » Yeah, from an analysis standpoint, we've
got all the data we need.
[1:33:21] » Okay. So, you can do So, I mean, if we
do a 30-day until the next uh defer this
[1:33:26] for 30 days, gives you a chance to
figure out where the best spot would be
[1:33:31] to move it to the north, how far up.
>> We'll work with the applicant on that.
[1:33:36] » Right. Right. And, you know, traffic
flows would have would be part of it,
[1:33:39] too. you know, that coming in and out of
that school. But, um, and out of that,
[1:33:44] » um,
>> you know, and if it and if it comes down
[1:33:47] to just doing the the light again next
month, then we can just sure do that.
[1:33:51] You know, and like you said, it's not
going to add time. You know, this is a
[1:33:56] years and years out on these lights. You
wouldn't think it's not like a stop sign
[1:34:00] where they can put them in pretty quick,
but uh, it's years and years out. So, I
[1:34:05] I would move that we defer this resend
my second
[1:34:12] and make this my third uh
>> motion. No, that's fine.
[1:34:15] » Okay.
>> So, there's a third motion now.
[1:34:18] » Yes.
>> To defer this item
[1:34:21] » to the next meeting.
>> To the next meeting.
[1:34:23] » Yes.
>> And Commissioner Wyn,
[1:34:25] » I'll second.
>> We have a second by Commissioner. And
[1:34:28] let's wait till she changes the the
screen.
[1:34:35] I don't know. It's not popping up.
>> There it is. All right. Any other
[1:34:41] discussion on 5D?
We understand the applicant may not like
[1:34:47] the uh the affirm it, but if working
with the staff, no other solution, this
[1:34:54] item will come back up next month. Okay.
So, all right. So, we have a motion from
[1:35:00] Commissioner George, seconded by
Commissioner Wyn, to defer item 5D to
[1:35:05] the ne to the next meeting, the one in
April. Right.
[1:35:07] » Okay. Can I have your votes, please?
>> I'm I'm a yay. My It's not coming up on
[1:35:12] my screen for some reason.
>> Okay.
[1:35:15] » Okay. Item has passed, which is to defer
to the next meeting. All right. Thank
[1:35:20] you very much. Uh, we go on now to item
six, comments from citizens. Anybody out
[1:35:26] there want to say something? Any of the
kids want to get up and get on TV? You
[1:35:30] can you can see yourself on uh on you
YouTube.
[1:35:35] No. Okay.
When we're done, you you can come on up
[1:35:40] here, too, if you want. Okay. Yes,
ma'am. You come up to the mic, please.
[1:35:44] » Just a quick question. Will we be
notified for the meeting to come and
[1:35:47] speak and hear?
>> Oh, you'll be notified right after this
[1:35:50] meeting. And I'd like to leave an
invitation if anybody wants to have
[1:35:53] coffee on the corner and come see it in
action in the morning, just let us know.
[1:35:57] » All right. Thank you. All right. And
then uh
[1:36:02] no comments. So now we go around the
room here. Uh reports from the traffic
[1:36:07] commissioners. Item seven. Commissioner
Littlefield,
[1:36:10] » you are saved this month.
>> All right. Yahoo. Okay. We go to
[1:36:14] Commissioner uh Hail.
>> Nothing, sir.
[1:36:17] » Commissioner Win,
>> nothing.
[1:36:19] to George.
>> No, I don't think so.
[1:36:21] » Okay. Thanks.
>> Uh I don't have anything right now. Uh
[1:36:25] counselor, thank you for your help
today.
[1:36:28] » Yes, sir.
>> Appreciate it. And we even gave you some
[1:36:30] work to do. Some of
>> Yeah, I got some work.
[1:36:32] » There you go. Captain, thanks for
getting the uh notifying them to go out
[1:36:37] in that area. Hopefully, you'll see them
out there and also checking on
[1:36:41] » if they can come into our area and all
that. Okay. Appreciate all that. You got
[1:36:45] anything else?
>> No report.
[1:36:46] » Okay. Staff, you got anything else?
>> Nothing else to add.
[1:36:49] » Anybody have anything else for the
traffic commission? All right, we're
[1:36:52] adjourned.