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Good evening and welcome to the Tuesday, February 24, 2026, regular business

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meeting of the Olympia City Council. For the record, we have a quorum with all council

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members present tonight. So before we adopt the agenda, I do have a statement here that

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I wish to read regarding the rally that is taking place just outside. So there was a call

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that went out to the community for individuals to be here tonight to comment to us on

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flock cameras. We always want to encourage community members to give public comments

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on the issues that are important to them. However, I do want to take a moment to reiterate

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several facts about flock camera, our flock camera program before we continue with tonight's

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public comment. So, late last year we heard from community members about strong concerns

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with flock and a call to shut it down. We heard fears and anger about the federal government using

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data and other communities for purposes of immigration enforcement, data security and overall

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privacy concerns, and the expanding use of advanced license plate reader or ALPR, which it will

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be referred to from here on out, and other similar technologies. We as a city respond it to those

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concerns. The FLOC camera program has been suspended since December. All camera equipment has been

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removed and the current contract with FLOC will not be renewed. All data outside the 30-day

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retention window or which is required for local law enforcement investigation purposes has been

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deleted. We remain committed to providing opportunities for transparent processes with public input

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before any future movement towards public safety technology solutions.

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We have also taken action to help community members feel safer and more empowered in response to ICE activities.

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We are upholding our sanctuary city commitments, educating community members by making available

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no-your-rights cards, issuing a mayor's statement, convening elected officials from the region to talk about safety planning, and providing opportunities for

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community members to take part in or help co-host know your rights trainings.

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Tonight, Council will also take formal action on two items that demonstrate our sanctuary

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city values in commitment.

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The first is the approval of a resolution calling for the end of dangerous immigration enforcement

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tactics by ICE and US customs and border protection.

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Using protection of constitutional rights, urging protection, excuse me, of constitutional rights,

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and requiring guardrails on Department of Homeland Security funding.

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The second is an update on the Olympia Municipal Code that prohibits the use of city-owned

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or controlled property for civil immigration enforcement activities or operations by federal

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agents.

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We acted in response to community concerns about suspending flock and we will continue to act

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in response to our community's concerns about actions by the federal government, specifically

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specifically the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Custom Enforcement.

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Earning and maintaining public trust is critical to this council, city leadership, and the Olympia Police Department.

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So with that, I do believe we will hear more from our community members during our public comment segment of the meeting.

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But for now, we will continue with the rest of the agenda and I need a motion to adopt tonight's agenda.

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Move to adopt the agenda.

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Second.

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All those in favor of adopting the agenda is published, signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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We have an agenda.

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So our first item tonight is special recognition, which is a poetry reading from the city of Olympia's Poet Laureate Ocean, who was here with us tonight.

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So I'd like to welcome up Stephanie Johnson, who is our arts program manager to.

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Hi Stephanie.

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Hi, thank you. Mayor Payne and members of Council, I am Stephanie Johnson with City of Olympia Parks Arts and Recreation and I'm here tonight with our Poet Laureate for 2025 to 2027 Ocean.

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And part of the work of Olympia's Poet Laureate is to present a Poet Laureate Policy Council meeting near the beginning of each year.

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And the goals of the Poet Laureate Program are to promote poetry as an art form, expand access to the literary arts,

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connect the community to poetry, promote poetry as a community voice that contributes

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to a sense of place, and to address the topic of the Poet Laureate appointment, which

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is to utilize the power of poetry and language to contribute to thoughtful response and

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centering around the concept of resilience.

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Hi, Elshin, it's good to see you.

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Hi.

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Thanks, Tom.

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The old

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tree breathed with me, O bright child, placenta, Doug undercrumbed to feed this

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seedling, ye coast pines, swung and broken, clawing cliffside, over glitter seas, blighting

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brine.

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Where under slither tenderl, through my father's ashes, and arch in spring-time

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reverie, or swing in shore-gales, cackling, Up through brittling air,

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strain branches, strain arms, in the space-lintled between finger and twig snag

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whispers of revenants, we breathe each other, have ever breathed, through alveoli and stomata,

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leaves and skin co-evolved to vain the star.

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We oxygen-brithers,

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we external lungs of our ancient kin, you one-legged gods who rise over us,

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strong of phloem and bast, who sleep bowed in hibernal ice only to erupt again in seas

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of Verdant foliage, your cycle of rebirth modeled for us religion.

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All mothers coil back to you, we peel over skin your bark.

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sun flare in leaf and palm, unfurl to receive star heat, red-wing flood in

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pilgrimage, star-ling and flutter-hawk, chlorophyll boiling in the mammals

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loins to make life from drops of sun all it is is oxygen, mother-molded

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matrices, and whirling helices, mammals but a side-roll in the drama beyond our reckoning.

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You old ones sing your story, brushing canopy against canopy.

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Trail weak ghosts mother, I raise my eye-waters glimmering on the sky. Old tree, breathe with me,

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we're here a while yet.

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Just a moment ocean. Just a moment.

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Thank you so much. That was beautiful, but I would love to hear more about

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what inspired you to write it or I see that it's from 2025 to 2027. So when exactly did you write it?

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This is my latest poem and I was working on it for my friend puts out a magazine for severed branches press.

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who's here tonight. And he invited poems around sacred trees. And so I was

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working on this theme of how we humans and trees, I mean the animals and the

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plants breathe together and how ancient that story is. So that was my theme and

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the sort of resilience of our relationship with the plant beings. Yeah. Thanks

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for asking. Yeah, beautiful. Well, thank you so much for sharing with us. And this is the first of

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several that in the future during your term that you'll be back here to read. And well, other than

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when you first were appointed obviously, but the first for this year. Are there any other comments

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from Council? Yes, Council Member Gilman. Thank you, Ocean. I wonder if you or Stephanie might

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describe what kinds of opportunities there are for people in the community to interact with you as

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Polet Lauret in this year. I could say that coming up in the spring that we have an in-person

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poetry workshop planned and a poetry reading plan that's open to the public also including an

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open mic so folks could come to that if you want to write and you can also come to that if you

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want to listen and you want to pretend share your work. That will be at the Olympia Center

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and traditions on the same day. But I have to look up what the aid is because I can't

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think of it. I'll stop my head. But that's in April. That might be a wonderful first

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place for folks to meet.

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Thank you for that question and the additional comments. Well, thank

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you so much again for sharing it with us. And I'll just quickly say that I'm going to admit

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to you that I highlighted at least 12 words that are not part of my vocabulary so this poem is

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also very educational for me to do my homework and find out what they mean.

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Thank you. Thanks Ocean.

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All right so that concludes our special recognition portion of our

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agenda for tonight and we are going to move on to public comment and I am going to turn it over to

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Mayor Pro Tem.

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All right.

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So for any of you that are need to public comment, each public comment trick, it's two minutes.

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We have quite a few public commenters signed up.

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And so if it does exceed 30 minutes total of public comment time, please know that we will

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pick up and continue public comment after all of the business meeting items.

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And so we will return to public comment if it doesn't make it within the 30 minutes.

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Because we have so many signed up, we are going to prioritize the folks that came to speak on topics that we're covering tonight, both in person and online, and then we'll pick it up with everyone else.

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So with that, I will call forward a few different names or a few names that you can sort of know when you're in queue to stand up at the podium here.

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Once you start speaking, the two-minute timer right over here will begin counting down to your time.

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It'll give you a little notice where it'll turn yellow in the lights before you to tell you that you have 30 minutes,

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or sorry, not 30 minutes.

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You have 30 seconds.

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You have 30 seconds, so that just tells you to wrap up your time.

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And if you hear me say thank you, that's my way of trying to politely wrap you up

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so that we can get to the next person.

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And with that, if your time elapses of two minutes,

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you can feel free to submit your comments through email.

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Mayor, we don't typically take Q&A during this time,

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but we have a community member with their hand raised

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that do you mind?

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If I, OK, go ahead.

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You'll let me speak, because I have a disability.

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I cannot be out driving at night,

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and I can only tolerate artificial lives for a short time.

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So I'm hoping that you'll just let me speak.

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I'm the first one in.

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I'll make it quick.

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Are you Kristen?

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I am.

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Okay.

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Thank you for that.

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Got it.

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Thanks for sharing.

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Was that everything?

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All right.

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So without further ado, we'll get started.

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So we do have Kristen first.

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Yes.

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And then we have Edith, who would follow by Rick Bird?

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And when you do come up, please state your first and last name for the record.

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Yeah, my name is Christina Townsend, 2141 Grove Road.

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I am also part of the soft lights foundation because I now have a new fun brain injury

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from LED street lights. Don't worry, they're not from yours.

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But I'm here to raise awareness on your light pollution that has gotten pretty severe.

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You guys have an amazing light policy, unfortunately nobody is following it and nobody is enforcing

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it.

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This is the border scale.

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A few years back you were back in here which is still bad but you now are here.

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And unfortunately no one got the memo on LED lights and there's absolutely no safety,

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no regulation and no standards for LEDs.

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What we now know is LED lights are linked to everything,

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and I'm sorry I'm going to like start your meeting off

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with some depressing news.

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Good news is it's easy fixable.

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But these lights now living under, these lights you guys see,

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increases everybody's risk of cancer by 30 to 60%.

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Let me let that say again, 30 to 60%.

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But now we know in the last year,

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There's so much research, over 20,000 research articles now coming out flooding on the impacts

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of LED lights, especially the blue, the flicker, and the strobing.

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So now we know that these also increase cardiac risk by 54% and stroke risk by 54% increase

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cardiac deaths by 28% and the main damage happens between the hours of 1130 and 530 at night.

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We have some serious things to go on.

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Here's your main culprit.

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So here's what a house should look like

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or a business should look like when they're closed.

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Unfortunately this is what's happening

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where people are putting out these high intensity LED lights.

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I said, cause permanent eye damage, by the way. You can't test these on humans because they cause damage. I think that's what they're looking at. This is, this is not good. This is good. We need the dark sky. You be the LED blue light, immediate impacts the macular. It is increasing macular Alzheimer's, dementia, permanent working memory and children, whether getting exposed to all these bright lights that are in schools, that are on the side of the road. We need to correct this really fast.

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But I'm going to give you a quick little history. So LED lights, I might done.

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Yes, although if you would like to leave any of that information with us, we can look at it.

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And if you had further comments, please feel free to email us.

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I will. Is there possibly a time that I can actually schedule to do a better presentation for the council?

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Is that allowable?

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I'm going to ask staff to follow up with you and also retrieve the documents from you.

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I want to you'll get the answer to your question. Yeah. Thank you.

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Okay. Next we have Edith. Who?

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My name is Edith Hewlett. I live on Woodard Green Drive. On the north side of that street is a

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Huntington apartment complex. It's a very big apartment complex. On the south is Sequoia assistant

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Living at the end of the street and across Lily Road is Kaiser Hospital and so we do get a lot of traffic there.

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My problem is this street is a very, very long block that's by the apartments and assisted living and then a short block where there's 26 houses.

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people have figured out that they can park their car there and just leave it. It's a safe place.

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Occasionally one gets towed away, but not often enough.

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The vehicles make it impossible to pass someone. You have to wait until the car goes by and then you can...

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It's not a two-lane anymore. It's a one-lane.

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I've been informed that the residents of the apartment complex have filed some kind of paper work to have something done about these abandoned vehicles, but nothing has happened.

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And so I understand they're allowed to be there three days, 72 hours, and then they have to be moved.

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I have pictures of some that have been there since 2022 and I would like to

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lead them with someone who would be able to give it to whoever the person is who

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would take care of this. Okay? That's about it. Thank you. Thank you Edith. We

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have staff coming up now that I'll follow up with you and take your documents.

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With that, we have Rick Bird, followed by Jessa Davis, followed by Roslyn Irwin.

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Council members, my name is Rick Bird. I've lived in Olympia since 1973, a long time teacher and administrator with the Olympia school district.

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Currently, my wife and I live at Briggs East in the 55-plus Silver Leap Apartments from old folks.

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And one of the main reasons that we moved there was the whole concept about the bridge village.

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we want to be able to walk to a grocery store. We want to walk to the YMCA. It's part of our

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understanding about how to age in a way that works. And so, as you are considering, the

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changes that have been proposed for the Briggs Village, we ask you to be very aware

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of the motivation of people like us and others that have bought property in the village community

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to have that walkable community and to have the services that we need. If that means reducing

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the size of the grocery store to 9200 square feet in order to attract to make that happen then I'm

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for that. But as long as the grocery store is big enough for fresh fruit, fresh vegetables,

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the kinds of things that you need, the healthy kind of foods that you need. I encourage you to

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make sure that that happens. Thank you. Thank you. For those of you that are hoping for a response

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from Council, you may very well get one at the end of the 30 minutes. There will be a time for

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counsel to respond if they choose to do so. But we are listening. So oh I think we have our next

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Hello everyone thanks. My name is Jesse Davis my apprentice is she her and I'm the executive

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director of the Seattle Coalition for Family and Relationship Equity. So I wanted to come up today

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to say thank you for the hard work and effort that you've been putting into two bills that are before

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counsel tonight. And you know as a former Olympia resident someone who lived on the west side here

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instills a lot of connections in this community and comes here for work a lot. I just wanted

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to underscore the importance that bills like these protecting people's family and relationship

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status will have for those of us who live and work here even if we don't live here, right?

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So the organization for polyamory in Ethical Lamanogamy gives us some data that shows that social

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stigma is one of the greatest barriers that people who are polyamorous face in society.

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and non-discrimination efforts like these bills will help people begin to live

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authentically and openly. And so I'm excited for how creating this space in

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the public sphere to change the tone of the conversation will allow people to

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come out of the closet, speak up, and begin to chip away at that stigma, right? So

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the changes they're making in the law tonight hopefully are going to build

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towards a movement of acceptance. And I'm excited to see that Olympia is moving

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forward with increasing its status as a welcoming city. So thank you very much. I'm done early,

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which I was afraid I wouldn't be. So thank you. Yes, well done. Next we have Rosalyn Irwin.

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And if I do miss for now, it's your name. Please do correct it for the record. And followed by Brian

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Faller, followed by Linda Shotwell. All right. My name is Rosalyn Irwin. I'm speaking on the issue

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a family in relationship structure. My daughter has three parents when she was just two days old,

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her midwife came for her checkup and found that her heart was beating at about half the pace

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that it should have been. We rushed her to the ER where she was taken into the back with her

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biological mom. When we checked in the person at the front desk asked who we were to the patient.

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One of us hesitated and then we said mom, other mom and dad. In that moment we feared that the

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a person sitting across from us might say,

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well, only two parents can go back with the child,

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with the patient, or that there may be other questions

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that would keep us from our baby for any longer.

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The person across from us gave us a search and look,

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and then to our relief, we were allowed to go back with her.

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No parent should ever have to fear being kept

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from their child because of their relationship

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or family structure.

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No child should ever be separated from their parent

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because of their family structure,

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not even for a moment.

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Thank you for recognizing the need to pass protections for people with different

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relationships structures. Our daughter is two years old now and is happy and healthy and driving.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Next we have Brian Fowler.

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Good evening. I'm Brian Fowler with the Briggsville community group.

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I'm here to speak about the minimum grocery store size for urban villages like Briggs.

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The Planning Commission recommended a 12,000 square foot minimum for the grocery.

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The ordinance before you now provides for a minimum of only 9,200 square feet.

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Well you might say 9,200 square feet is only a minimum and that won't prevent a bigger

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store.

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If say a bigger grocery comes along, the problem is that grocery stores pay lower rents.

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And if the minimum stays at 9,200, the developer will build exactly that to maximize profits.

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He'll build a shell store at 9200 square feet that locks out any chance of a larger store

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that would better serve the community grocery needs.

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We're offering a compromise amendment to the ordinance.

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Set the minimum at 12,000 square feet as the Planning Commission recommended, but allow

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the developer to build down to 9200 feet if he actually has a grocery operator under contract.

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We've been waiting for it.

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This protects what we call the Goldilocks Zone, the stores between 9,200 and 12,000 square feet.

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These are the proven successful neighborhood grocers, H&O produce Lakewood,

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Tacoma boys and Tacoma and Puyallup.

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Harbor Greens and Gig Harbor and Spokane, in the Olympia food co-ops,

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planned 10,000 square-foot store. These stores are big enough to meet a lot of

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grocery needs and be successful.

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in summary. Oh, I still have time. Oh, I was rushing.

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It's summary. Our

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compromise hits another Goldilocks out. It better protects the community's

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needs and it still gives the developer flexibility. It's a fair and

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reasonable path forward. Thank you.

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Thank you. We have Linda Shotwell, followed by

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Tyson Holman and David Carlson.

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Well, you just said my name, but I'll say it again anyway.

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Hello, I'm Linda Schottwell, and I'm a resident

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at a cooperative village itself sound.

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It's just Kitty Corner from Briggs, why?

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And besides everything that Brian just said very well,

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I'm here to just respectfully ask that you consider

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honoring the Briggs master plan which included a full service grocery store and I

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would like to say that a full service grocery store will offer us life

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sustaining healthy food choices and a smaller store can't always do that

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especially when it comes to quality fresh fruit and produce. So thank you very much for listening,

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and I appreciate it, and you could have had more time, Brian, or wherever you are.

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Thank you, Linda. It doesn't work that way, but I appreciate you.

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I know. Did I sound like a kill,

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Joy? Thank you, Linda. All right. To add Tyson Holman?

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Okay. Hello. I am Tyson Holman,

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and I'm with the Seattle Coalition for Family and Relationship Equity.

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And I'm really stoked to be here tonight.

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I drove all the way from Seattle, and I came here to thank each and every one of you for passing protections for diverse family structures.

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I think it's really important for me personally. I'm a polyamorous and queer man, and I know firsthand what it's like to have to face discrimination and have to edit myself to prevent that from happening.

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I've got in the public with people that I love and have to pretend like that love doesn't exist.

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I've gotten really, really good at using the word partner as broadly and generally as possible to make sure people don't realize that I have more than one

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And this isn't just me. This is something that we all have to deal with. This editing of ourselves to avoid discrimination some of us when talking to a landlord

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We have to say roommate when really we mean family. Some of us when introducing a partner to a coworker

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We say just a friend when really we mean partner and I think one of the most tragic things that we have to deal with is some of us

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have to choose which partners are visible in public and which remain hidden.

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And I can tell you, I have been the hidden partner and it is a painful thing

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to go out into this world and feel like the way that I love isn't real or doesn't exist

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and it makes me question myself sometimes.

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And so the protections that you're putting forth for the City of Olympia

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are going to really dramatically help people like me.

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And I really, generally, hope that the City of Seattle is able to follow your leadership

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and implement similar protections. Again, thank you.

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Thank you.

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David Carlson, followed by Debbie Carter and Tom Colleen.

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Good evening, friends. My name is David Carlson.

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I'm the Legislative Campaign Coordinator for Open.

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That's the organization, probably Henry and ethical nominogamy.

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Really, I'm just a fear because I got to say thank you.

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I've been doing this job for over a year and talking to city council members across the country.

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Y'all show real leadership. This is impressive. We were able to have a conversation.

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You understood the need for your community, for the people that love in your community.

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And you took it up. You didn't ask, you asked real questions. You had concerns.

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And you moved forward. You didn't, you didn't make up issues. I've seen that.

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You didn't slow-roll it. You saw the need and you took, you took action.

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and so really, I'm just here to say thank you.

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Thank you, Debbie, go ahead.

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Council members, my name is Debbie Carter

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and this is actually my first time

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at a city council meeting, so fun.

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I am a resident of Silverleaf apartments

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and I am actually my apartment and faces out

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to the Briggs YMCA, Briggs TAP room

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and the most amazing ice cream shop ever, Humblecow.

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I'm here today because I'm concerned about the changes that are being...

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I've spoken to about the rezoning. Already, just from my apartment building looking out, I can see where parking has become an issue without anything even being built in those green spaces. Also, I'm concerned about the amount of traffic that additional housing units in that area would bring. It's really hard. People will come over and actually park over in our open parking area.

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across from humble cow and they are trying to get over across the street and I'm concerned with

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little kids that are out there we actually almost witnessed a little kid being hit trying to

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cross the street and so it's just my concern about putting more housing in there the parking and

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also I'm kind of concerned about the infrastructure also if it will support the additional

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units in there. Last summer, we had about four power outages because of power

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surges. And I'm not sure if that has been corrected. And then, yeah, like I said,

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I'm just concerned about having more housing units put in there. Thank you.

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Thank you. Tom, you're up next, followed by Ribbon Beagle. And then just for head

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up for staff, and then we're going to move to virtual.

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I, my name is Tom Colhane.

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I live near Olympia High School, and I'm an active member of Briggs, YMCA.

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I oppose amending the zoning requirement to increase the number of residential units and

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decrease the required commercial space in urban villages, including Briggs.

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The existing requirements took into consideration plans to decrease traffic and support a walk-walk

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community. They include a strategic mix of residential and commercial space and shared

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parking plans for commercial properties. To change the zoning now, Arthur requested

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the developer, Mr. Gill, after he provided virtually no evidence of a meaningful effort

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to recruit a full service grocer would be wrong.

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In public meetings, Mr. Gill has mentioned only a single contact with Spuds and that contact

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was never pursued.

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Obviously it's more lucrative for Mr. Gill if the grocery

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requirement is reduced and he's allowed to lease the space to hire rent tenants.

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However the council is supposed to be acting on behalf of the community and not

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just one individual. Briggs is a great location for a grocery store for our

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region. The man exists, the community exists there, the walkable design exists. What's missing

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is a developer willing to pursue the grocery store, the city plan for, and the residents

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were promised. For these reasons, I asked the council to uphold the original zoning requirements

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requiring a grocery size that actually meets the community needs. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Ribbon Beagle.

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Good evening, City Council.

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And thank you for your time today.

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I'll try to be brief.

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My name is Ribbon Beagle, and I am a member of the Olympia Democratic Socialists of America.

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I would like to start by thanking you and your efforts around the additions and amendments to

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City Code in regards to family and relationship structure.

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I am a polyamorous woman, and conversations are about, and my partner is always the ones I'm open about,

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and the ones I'm not open about.

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So I appreciate City Council's quick and immediate action once this ordinance was suggested the council.

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I understand that city counselors are asked to learn about a lot, even in topics where

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they have no understanding in, especially in these uncertain times of safety within

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our sanctuary cities.

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It is important that ordinance like these are simple and easy to do in your own words.

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These are protections that will add another layer of legal lifelines of safety for our communities

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wholly in intent, whether it be in great families had to link together and hiding from ice,

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way back to that, legally documented or not, to queer families who have been promised the

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freedom to be who they wish to be, and to live how they wish to love, only to be let

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down time and time again. And even yes, your mother-in-law, that is on the mortgage

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of lives downstairs on the first floor because it's cheaper than the apartment or a nursing

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home, sorry Robert. Me and my comrades may have fine disagreements

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with the City Council and business-owning class cooperation and success to Simon Proposition

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1. But ordinances like this are how we show that we as a chapter are committed to assisting

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in the defense of every one in Olympia, regardless of those disagreements.

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It is also within the same breath that I must ask for the City Council to take another

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look in regards to the resolution in regards to CBP and ICE.

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ICE has blown open the door quite literally to the conversation around the immigration,

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robbing due process and civil liberties from people regardless if they are an American citizen

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or not.

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The only difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one is paperwork.

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Reforming ICE is a conservative position, abolishing ICE is the moderate position.

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We need to stand up for our neighbors and the most marginalize and any nonviolent means

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should be possible. And the second to last line of defense should be the Olympia Police Department

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to uphold our sanctuary policies and laws and punish anyone who wishes to harm our neighbors

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for and domestic. Any organization that is also colluded with us should be held accountable as well.

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Thank you again for your time. I appreciate it. It is all I can ask for.

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Thank you, Ribbon. We'll go ahead and move to online public comments.

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First, we have Andrew Peterson.

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Yes, hi, thank you, Councilmembers, for the opportunity to speak tonight.

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My name is Andrew Peterson.

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My family and I have lived in Briggs Village for more than a decade.

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We've bought here for the dream of a walkable neighborhood with good parks for the kids and

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easy access to fitness, shops, and grocery stores.

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So I support the proposals suggested earlier by Brian Fowler.

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I understand Mr. Gil's desire to build more apartments, and we're willing to compromise

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some of our dream because Olympia needs more housing.

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Against our best interest, we even compromise when the original grocery store size because

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we just want something built that's large enough for us to buy the ingredients we need to

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make a healthy meal for our families.

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We have not, however, seen any willingness for Mr. Gil to compromise.

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In fact, he spends a lot of money to not compromise.

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His high-price attorney pushes his rejected proposals forward and planning commission recommendations

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to get ignored.

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He bought a market study that doesn't hold up any serious review to try and trick us into

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believing his proposals were justified.

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His potential business partners and our interest groups write letters of support claiming

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there's no commercial demand and that we shouldn't trust our lying eyes, that people line up

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ice cream, and crowd tables for beer and pizzas on weekdays in the middle of winter.

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If his claims were true, he could have saved up those letter fees and just shown us evidence

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he's been trying to actually sell the commercial space.

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He could have shown us the listings, he could have shown us phone calls or emails.

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In the full 12 months we've been going through this, he's shown us nothing.

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We'd even look for the evidence and we've found nothing, not mad because I don't like being

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lied to.

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But if the City Council allows it to not count the entire Briggs property in determining commercial space or allows him to build multiple tiny food stores, I'll just be sad.

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I'll be sad for me, my family, my neighbors, because the dream that we brought into got sold from beneath us to an out of town developer with deep pockets.

433
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Weaved his money around and got his way. Thank you.

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Thank

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you. Next we have Franklin Wilson.

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Is Franklin with us?

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Okay.

438
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Can you hear me now? We can. You sound great. Go ahead.

439
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:48,170
Well, that's great. Thank you for allowing me to speak. My wife and I have lived in

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Briggs Village since, what, May of 2019. And we oppose to proposed alterations in the city's

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zoning codes in relation to Briggs Village. We believe the zoning regulations adopt

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adopted at the outset of Briggs Village, constitute a moral, if not a legal, contract with

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the citizens who have purchased or rent homes and apartments in Briggs Village.

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Further, we believe that capitulating to the demands of the developer before the original

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descriptions of Briggs Village had been given opportunity to work, constitutes a breach

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of trust between the city and residents who live in Briggs Village, as I think others have

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indicated so well this evening. Finally we believe that any current or future alterations

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to the original Briggs plan should be made contingent on the developer first a providing

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a Briggs 12,000 square foot or larger village grocery store and B working out appropriate

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arrangements for the maintenance and management of the planned commercial areas of Briggs

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Village including the regular removal of trash and the pruning of trees in the village

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commercial center and along the streets. I mean, the landscaping is minimally done in this village

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and especially along the streets. The trees are in terrible shape. And finally, see, working out

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appropriate arrangements for the management and maintenance of trees and sidewalks in the Briggs

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Village neighborhood, these things should be done prior to any alterations to the original Briggs

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Village Plan that was and and it seems to us that the city should support the

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residents primarily and development yes but when when the development sticks to

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the plan as purchased or sold. So thank you for your time. Appreciate it very

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much.

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Thank you. Next we have Ike Peterman.

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Thank you very Betty Bailey.

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Hello. Can you hear me? Yes we can.

463
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Okay. Great. Thank you. I'm also commenting on the Briggs Village development. It's where I live and I support a minimum 12,000 square foot grocery store and using the entire property to determine the minimum commercial space.

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It's been 13 years since I moved here primarily because of the grocery store and the walkable community concept.

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It seems like a pretty natural and organic idea, but people who don't live here are making

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life impacting decisions about us.

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So I support whatever my neighbors are supporting in this.

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It has been too long, and I'd like to see the council support their residents here, rather

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again, and outside individual.

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So thank you very much for your time and your consideration.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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so we have Betty Bailey and then we'll finish this round of public comment with Heather Burgess.

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Thank you. I'm Betty Bailey. I live adjacent to Briggs Village or, yes, at the Village Co-op

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of South Sound. And I have written testimony before you, but I do wish to speak briefly.

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There are hundreds, likely thousands of neighbors and interested parties who want this grocery

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store and other commercial plants in the Briggs Village.

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And we also want to win win solution, as Andrew mentioned, we've sometimes compromised

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what our original goal was mainly because we do want this grocery so badly.

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So, we do want to win for the developer, otherwise obviously you won't do the work.

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And we want a win for the community.

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So, high density.

483
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Okay, well, we're fine with that if parking is addressed.

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And that is a win for the developer.

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Adding another floor to the apartment buildings.

486
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Well, okay, again, if the parkings handled, and that is a win for the developer.

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Really, the only way to have a win for our community is to put in that grocery store.

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And I love what Brian Waller said about the 12,000 square foot requirement,

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flexing down to the 9,200 if the grocer was identified.

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And signed into a lease, right?

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so please give us a win-win solution. The neighbors are counting on it. Thank you.

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Thank you. Right, so our final public commenter. Thank you. Heather Burgess.

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Good evening members of City Council.

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This is Heather Burgess of the law firm of Dix and Frolic Phillips Burgess. I represent Briggs R.E. development and its principal Gordy Gill, who owns the undeveloped property being addressed this evening

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as part of the OMC 1805 amendments. I submitted a detailed comment to you on February 17th,

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2026, and another one earlier today regarding applicants requested amendments to the proposal.

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I appreciate you considering those requests. I wanted to make two brief additional points.

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First, to draw the council's attention to written comments that you received from Kathy McCormick.

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Ms. McCormick was a city planner at the time the original Urban Village Code was written

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and also actively participated in the 2013 master plan amendment process, which is addressed in some detail in your staff report.

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She's pointed out that changes that occurred to reduce housing density elsewhere in the city over the last 20 years,

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such as the down zoning of LV8 Park have contributed to the lack of commercial demand at Briggs Village that was expected by the original plan,

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and that were built into the assumptions underneath it.

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So that's consistent with the results of the CIA and AI market study, increasing residential

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density and right sizing the retail component, including the grocery store, is necessary

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to achieve the vision that Ms. McCormick and others had in creating the urban village

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concept in that the neighbors and

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The residents there deserve and want to see. Finally, I just want to address briefly. There are many comments in the record from the why and its members about parking, although the applicant has disagreed and made that clear to city staff that about its legal duties to provide the why with free parking. He is committed to working cooperatively with the why and with the city to resolve those issues is needed in conjunction with the master plan amendment, which is the next step in the process.

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We urge the council to please consider allowing the smaller demising grocery stores as a way

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to bring grocers to the village and again greatly appreciate your time and consideration

511
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and the staff's work on this extended process.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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At this time we're going to conclude this portion of public comment and I recognize that

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we have a number of in-person and online public commenters that have been awaiting to speak

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and we just appreciate your patient so much and we will pick it up after we conclude business items.

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For what it's worth, many people are here to speak about Briggs Urban Village and I hope you

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will stick around to listen to those business items as they come up and counsel discuss them.

519
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But for now, let's turn it back to the mayor.

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Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. And just for the folks that are either in person or online,

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And actually, if you're looking at your agenda,

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we'll return to public comment after item 6D

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on your agenda.

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So stay tuned.

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All right, so we're going to move on to adoption

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of the consent calendar.

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I am tracking that we are going to pull.

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I am for G and for H. Are there any additional requests

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for polls for questions or comments on the consent calendar all right seeing

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none so at this time I will pull them after I get a second so is there

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a motion to adopt tonight's consent calendar so must second all right we have

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a motion in a second and we're going to begin with item 4g which is the approval of

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a resolution calling for an end to dangerous immigration enforcement tactics by

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs Border Protection,

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urging protection of constitutional rights and requiring meaningful guardrails

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on Department of Homeland Security funding. And this resolution is spearheaded by Council

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Member Gilman who has comments and has requested support.

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Thank you. I'm really pleased that we can

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bring this resolution. We're bringing it at the same time as many cities across the United States

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are bringing very similar language and it's to help bolster our members of Congress who are willing

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to call to put guardrails contingent on any additional funding for the Department of Homeland Security

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to stop the ridiculous, cruel, dangerous tactics and actions that immigration is taking right now.

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So I also wanted to shout out that Councilmember Theresa Mosqueda from King County Council

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reached out to us and helped have a discussion with staff from King County about both this measure

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and the 4-H, how they're going about prohibiting ICE from staging on public property.

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So I just, I very much appreciate that we're bringing this forward.

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Thank you, Council Member Gilman, are any additional questions or comments?

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All right, I just want to say thank you to Council Member Gilman, again, for your work in

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spearheading this in arranging the meeting with Council Member Mosqueda and her staff.

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This is important because the resolution is about stating our position, frankly, as a local government,

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one of several across this country who disagree with the way that our federal agencies are handling the current enforcement of our immigration policies at the moment.

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and this resolution will also be shared with our congressional delegation as well to let them know

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our position and that we're one of many cities that are lending our voice to this conversation.

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And so I thank you for that. All right. So that's item 4G and then for item 4H we have the

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approval of an ordinance enacting Olympia Municipal Code chapter 12.75, which is prohibiting

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the use of city-owned or control property for civil immigration enforcement activities

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or operations by federal agents, declaring an emergency and establishing an effective date

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first and final reading. And just a few weeks ago, I made a request to the city manager that we

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to explore the concept of prohibiting ICE or any other federal agency from using city

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property for any of their purposes of enforcing their immigration policies that includes their

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personnel, their equipment, whatever.

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And so this gives us a mechanism to put this into our code and to enforce that code.

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And frankly, what's important is that we have a mechanism to challenge this, should this

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become a problem in the future.

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And so I will just be transparent about the fact that this does not mean that it cannot

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occur, and I want to be clear about that.

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But it does give us some ability to push back against it, and hopefully prevail if we need

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if we need to do that and if it comes to that and so hence the reason for making sure that we

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adopt this into our code as something that we feel very strongly about and so I understand that

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this is not something that everyone in our community is happy about but by majority our community is a

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welcoming city and we welcome people from all different backgrounds and this is one of very few ways

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that local governments have to try to have some kind of control of what's happening across

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communities across the country, and so we are happy to take this up to do all that we

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can as we promised our community members that we would.

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All right, so we have a motion in a second to adopt tonight's consent calendar.

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Actually before I do that, I also want to take the time to thank staff for acting so quickly

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And for doing a work particularly our legal department to prepare this for us to act on tonight. So thank you for your work. Much appreciated.

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All right, so we have that motion in a second. All those in favor of adopting tonight's consent calendar, signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Hi, consent calendars adopted. So that takes us to our first business item, which is item 6a,

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which is the approval of an ordinance amending the Olympia Municipal Code related to development

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standards for urban villages. And we have Jackson Ewing, who is our senior planning planner for

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community planning and development, who is presenting tonight.

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00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:57,090
Hi Jackson. Good evening. Thank you.

585
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So just give me a pair with me a moment while I get set up.

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00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:06,110
Thank you, Mayor Payne, and thank you, Council.

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My name is Jackson Ewing, Senior Planner with the Community Economic Development Department.

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And I am here to discuss amendments, proposed amendments to development standards regarding

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urban villages being OMC 1805.

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And I guess I'll start. There's a lot of names up here on the on my presentation. I have myself, Nicole Floyd, planning director,

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Jinnick Machado, economic development director and Tim Smith, the CPED director here as well with me to answer any questions.

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And if we need to get into some depth on this project.

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So, I'll start with some history of Olympia centers in the village approach.

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This kind of came to light through the 1995 Comprehensive Plan update looking out into

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the next 20 years, where we recently just adopted a new comprehensive plan looking out

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into 45.

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There's four types of villages within the city of Olympia that the code would allow creation

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of that be a neighborhood center. It's a very small retail district neighborhood village,

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which is a slightly larger with more of a retail core, an urban village, which is intended to be

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the largest of the mixed use village, and then the community oriented shopping center,

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which generally doesn't have any residential components. So we're talking about the largest of our

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urban villages and the comprehensive plan really points to the reasons why these are important.

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To provide a mix of housing types, village green, that's the central draw to the urban

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village, a balance of retail, office, residential, and recreation, and open space, that's all

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usable by the community members that live in that space.

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and this urban village is intended to serve a number of nearby neighborhoods, so you think that it's not just a draw for the folks that live in the village, but that folks living nearby the village would also be drawn for the retail services and recreation opportunities, parks or open space where events might be taking place.

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So talking about the zoning code amendment evaluation process, really looking at furthering

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the goals of the comprehensive plan, looking at urban villages as walking mixed use regional

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commercial centers. Learning from the past, in 1995, the assumption was that commercial was the

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main economic driver. And we are really in a different place than we were back in the mid-90s.

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But most development was commercial focused at that time, that was where the profit was.

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We couldn't predict COVID, and basically the First and County Economic Development Council

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data indicate that there's an increase in commercial demand, but not office-based demand.

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and we're looking to allow the amendment,

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the zoning code amendment evaluation process

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was looking to allow for adaptability

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and to really avoid over detailed requirements.

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The code that sets up urban villages is incredibly detailed

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and staff supports some clear clean requirements

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that have direct tiebacks to their purposes.

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So now I'm talking about the Briggs Urban Village.

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It's important because in the city of Olympia,

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the Briggs Urban Village is the only urban village

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of its type approved under OMC 1805.

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There are neighborhood centers and

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and other types of villages approved under 1805.

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But when we're talking about an urban village,

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bridge, Briggs urban village is the one that has been developed in the city of Olympia

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with no others of its type. The Briggs urban village is 137 acres, 75 of that is open

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space, there's lots of kettles and park space that both are protected for critical area

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purposes as well as dedicated for folks to enjoy. This area was annexed back in 1999.

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Between 97 and 2003 was when the city went through its plan to adopt these urban village

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code requirements. And like I said, it's the only one of its kind.

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And so, this is an important slide, getting into the differences between the zoning code

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amendments and master plan amendments.

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I think there's been a lot of public comment about a number of different things, but this

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slide really clarifies what we're looking at tonight and what we'll be on our plate as

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we move into the future looking at any potential changes to the adopted BRICS master plan.

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So the zoning code is what establishes the master plan.

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The master plan takes that zoning code and applies it to the site.

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And so what we're talking about tonight is the actual zoning code that establishes these

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village villages density, the grocery size, the range of allowable commercial space and

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height are things that are applicable to the zoning code amendments.

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Things like the number of residential units, how the village is laid out, where a grocery

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might be, parking requirements, things like that, will all be looked at in depth if

646
00:59:24,810 --> 00:59:29,230
an amendment to the bridge's master plan is brought forward.

647
00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:37,810
any changes that are decided on tonight would not affect the current adopted

648
00:59:37,810 --> 00:59:45,110
Bregs Urban Village and the plan. That would require separate public process that

649
00:59:45,110 --> 00:59:46,150
we'll talk about in a little bit.

650
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:57,640
Okay, so this this this project has been before

651
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,680
planning commission as well as the

652
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,840
City Council Land Use and Environment Committee. And the recommended zoning changes that came from those public processes were reducing the required commercial space in the village, removing office space requirements as well, increasing the allowed percentage of multifamily and reducing the required percentage of single-family homes allowed in urban villages, eliminating the maximum square

653
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:37,360
For a maximum number of stories for mixed use buildings facing the town square, maintaining

654
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,340
their requirement for a grocery store and setting a minimum of 9,200 square feet.

655
01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:47,720
The current zoning code does not set a minimum for the grocery store.

656
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:54,340
It is a range of zero to 50,000 square feet with the caveat that one that a grocery must

657
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:59,040
be provided in an urban village.

658
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:10,600
and so this is actually the 9200 would set that minimum threshold of the expectation for the amended plan.

659
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:18,960
And an additional thing is that there's a new threshold being set for the timing of development of the village green or plaza.

660
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:30,040
Currently, the code requires that that space be developed when 50% of the commercial space has been built out in the urban village.

661
01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:40,780
As we know, the development has been relatively slow out there and we're nowhere close to that 50% number to establish that village green.

662
01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:55,940
but these changes aim to, well, the code would require the next residential project, any residential units being constructed in the mixed use core to require that establishment of the village green.

663
01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:07,330
And this really breaks down throughout the ordinance where changes are happening.

664
01:02:07,330 --> 01:02:16,630
and so you can see on the screen what is adopted and what is proposed and so I'll just walk through them real quick.

665
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:25,510
A daycare currently is required in urban villages and being proposed to being allowed as a permitted use.

666
01:02:26,330 --> 01:02:34,770
The amount of commercial space removing the tie between residential units and providing a certain amount of commercial space,

667
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:42,870
moving towards a range that still meets the general intent of what was expected for commercial

668
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:53,990
through this or through the original master plan approval and would hopefully allow a flexibility

669
01:02:54,850 --> 01:03:01,550
in what that commercial would look like. You're not locked into 500. You could really choose

670
01:03:01,550 --> 01:03:04,130
that range per acre to provide.

671
01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:07,130
Single-family multi-family, I won't get into that.

672
01:03:08,290 --> 01:03:14,010
The numbers are pretty straightforward, but the height of mixed use buildings,

673
01:03:14,350 --> 01:03:21,470
fronting the town square, going from three stories to four, allowing for more units above

674
01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:27,050
areas where there would be required commercial space on the ground floor.

675
01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:39,950
and removing max housing densities removing that limit to allow as many housing units as the village could support.

676
01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:51,450
The next is that phasing. You can see as it was adopted before it used to say before 50% of the required commercial space is under construction.

677
01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:59,830
the proposed is at the time, at the time residential development occurs in the village core and then the grocery store requirements.

678
01:04:00,770 --> 01:04:07,250
What is adopted is that the grocery stores required in urban villages, no minimum with a maximum of 50,000.

679
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:17,410
The proposed code amendments would still require the grocery store and set a minimum of 9,200 square feet with a maximum of 50,000.

680
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:18,750
So,

681
01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:28,330
what really guided staff's review of this before it ever got to Plain and Commission,

682
01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:35,530
I'm working through with the applicant to get a package that could be considered by Plain

683
01:04:35,530 --> 01:04:42,730
and Commission was really looking at the comprehensive plan for the support and where we needed to move

684
01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:44,730
with this project.

685
01:04:44,730 --> 01:05:14,710
And really, these goals from the comprehensive plan really supported taking, looking at these amendments and looking at ways that we could decrease, or increase residential units while being flexible towards the retail and the retail and office space side of things, recognizing that over the past 20 plus years since the adoption of the Bergs Master Plan.

686
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:18,770
and that things have changed and market conditions have changed as well.

687
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:25,150
And so I want to point out that the bottom, the bottom goal require village integrity,

688
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:30,210
but providing, provide flexibility for developers to respond to market conditions.

689
01:05:31,230 --> 01:05:36,350
And I think that as we took, as staff took this project on and took it through the process,

690
01:05:36,590 --> 01:05:43,390
that was a really important thing is to look at really maintaining the integrity of the village,

691
01:05:43,390 --> 01:05:50,410
but also allowing for potential change that we don't have to stay locked into exactly what was

692
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:58,590
proposed in the past or approved in the past. So public comments, there were a lot of public

693
01:05:58,590 --> 01:06:05,270
comments received throughout the process, a lot of community input and throughout planning commission

694
01:06:05,870 --> 01:06:13,130
and public comments received up until this evening. Those public comments were mainly

695
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:18,070
around grocery size and making sure that the grocery size was big enough to support

696
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:25,110
basic food needs, not a convenience store was really what we heard. Not allowing the

697
01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:34,570
applicant or city to abandon the intent of the urban village and focusing on basically

698
01:06:34,570 --> 01:06:40,760
the expectation of a walkable community that people can get to services easy and don't

699
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,040
to get in their car and drive to Safeway.

700
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:51,220
And the other one is parking as recognized as a major concern as related to the YMCA

701
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:51,880
at Briggs.

702
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:58,860
And I'll just say that we recognize that concern and that there are,

703
01:07:01,510 --> 01:07:03,410
we will be doing a deep

704
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:09,810
dive into that and ensuring that the YMCA is provided with the adequate parking through

705
01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:12,410
that master plan amendment if it does move forward.

706
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,440
I did want to address some comments that were submitted by the applicant because they

707
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:20,780
seemed to relevant.

708
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:27,760
After the Land Use Environment Committee meeting, the applicant had looked at putting together

709
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:36,560
Mark plans to see what the future would look like and how the fork story buildings would

710
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:43,360
work and it was identified that design standards in Briggs Village would not allow the fourth

711
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:48,940
story to be built because of requirements for really tall ceilings on the first floor,

712
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:55,320
high-gloss windows throughout areas in Briggs for the commercial part of the requirement.

713
01:07:56,260 --> 01:08:03,100
And so the applicant had reached out and said that they wouldn't be able to get the fourth story

714
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:10,240
with the current 45 feet height limit and that 50 feet would be needed to achieve those four stories.

715
01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:19,040
As you've probably read, the applicant also has provided information about the challenges around the grocery store requirements in the village.

716
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:25,400
And at this point, I think I will open it up to questions.

717
01:08:25,660 --> 01:08:29,660
I thank you all for being here and I'm excited to field questions.

718
01:08:29,660 --> 01:08:33,720
I have a group of my co-workers available as well.

719
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:40,760
This was definitely a team effort that was worked on by a number of folks and over the

720
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,380
course of a number of years.

721
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,140
So, I'll open up from the floor to any questions.

722
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:45,680
Thank you.

723
01:08:46,460 --> 01:08:46,980
Yeah.

724
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,500
Well, thank you so much, Jackson, for the presentation and for your work on this.

725
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:53,980
Thank you.

726
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:54,840
Yes.

727
01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:56,120
Council Member Mendron.

728
01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:57,780
Yeah.

729
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:58,180
Thank you.

730
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:58,840
I wanted to share.

731
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,680
Just a conversation that happened in land use committee to bring it to where it is today.

732
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:07,780
And I also have some follow up questions for staff just because of some of the conversations

733
01:09:07,780 --> 01:09:13,880
we had there and some of the ongoing work that's happened on it since then.

734
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:23,240
And I think one of the primary issues on this concept of an urban village is very similar

735
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,500
to a lot of the conversations we've had around neighborhood centers before where we have an

736
01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:31,260
idea of what we want to have, where we want to have it, what it should look like, and

737
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:35,540
then nobody comes along and builds it, nobody opens the business, and you know it's one

738
01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:38,840
of those, it's one of those situations where we can have the best vision in the world for

739
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,360
something, but we ultimately, we can't force the bell, we can't force a business to open.

740
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:49,780
And so some of the concept around this is that, you know, if we're able to achieve more

741
01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:54,120
housing in that area, commercial becomes more viable, including a grocery store.

742
01:09:55,460 --> 01:10:02,940
And so that's kind of the premise of some of the conversation that we had in the Land Use Committee.

743
01:10:04,340 --> 01:10:10,360
I also wanted to follow up with Jackson and your team there with some of the questions that have come up.

744
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:14,920
You know, one of our public commenters spoke about maintenance issues.

745
01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:23,040
We talked about this a little bit and the Land Use Committee expressing some frustration actually with the lack of maintenance

746
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,680
and then said is required in the private area.

747
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,840
So I'm wondering if you could share a little bit about that

748
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,460
to bring the council up to speed.

749
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,020
And what are the levers that we can pull

750
01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:32,780
to address maintenance issues?

751
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:34,960
Thank you, Council Member.

752
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:37,460
I will actually call on Tim Smith

753
01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:38,820
to speak to those issues.

754
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:41,420
I think it's more of a collaborative approach

755
01:10:41,420 --> 01:10:42,240
from our department.

756
01:10:45,730 --> 01:10:46,310
Yeah, good evening.

757
01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:47,830
Tim Smith can be planning

758
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:50,130
an economic development director here at the City of Olympia.

759
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:51,790
And Council Member Modrona,

760
01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:54,050
I assume you're talking about maintenance of public infrastructure

761
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:58,790
or private infrastructure such as roads, street trees, lighting, sidewalks,

762
01:10:58,810 --> 01:11:00,830
deeds growing, the trees, all of that.

763
01:11:01,290 --> 01:11:04,270
Yeah, right, so those were installed by the developers some years ago in anticipation

764
01:11:04,270 --> 01:11:09,970
of the commercial core developing and so that hasn't happened and over time we've seen some

765
01:11:09,970 --> 01:11:11,790
deterioration of those facilities.

766
01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:16,710
What staff generally does every few years is that our department reaches out to public works

767
01:11:16,710 --> 01:11:21,450
and they do an inventory of the facilities looking primarily at life safety issues first.

768
01:11:21,450 --> 01:11:27,430
And so an example, you know, if there's striping, this missing signage that's gone, everything, that's the top priority.

769
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:34,430
We develop the list, and then we coordinate with the owner in cooperation to get a plan for improving those,

770
01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:37,890
or making the necessary maintenance items move forward and improved.

771
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:40,510
And so it's a collaborative effort.

772
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:43,210
We don't like to go down the code of code enforcement unless there's resistance.

773
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:48,810
Typically, the owner is cooperative and does make those, but it is time to do that again.

774
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:50,410
And so we can start that process.

775
01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:55,870
Okay, great. I appreciate us being proactive on that, because I've been in that area recently,

776
01:11:55,870 --> 01:12:00,890
and I'm like, yeah, this is very problematic to have, you know, the infrastructure itself

777
01:12:00,890 --> 01:12:05,050
will degrade over time without that maintenance. And one of the things I'm hearing and what

778
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:10,110
you're saying is that there's a belief that if we can get the full development of the commercial

779
01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:14,870
and housing in there, then that would naturally occur, a more frequent maintenance. However,

780
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:18,430
it is a current responsibility that it does need to happen on a regular basis.

781
01:12:18,430 --> 01:12:24,650
So, okay. That's all ahead on that. Just wanted to make sure, especially since it came up in public comment.

782
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:34,210
Also, the 9200 square feet for a grocery store. It's not a number that was invented by the Land Use Committee.

783
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:39,930
My understanding is that our economic development director read through the market study and I see her coming up right now.

784
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:43,650
She probably knew I was going to ask this question. So I just want to get some perspective.

785
01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:52,890
That was the number that was recommended to us by staff in terms of what was feasible realistic in terms of a grocery store size.

786
01:12:53,050 --> 01:12:57,050
So if you could just speak to that 9200 square feet number and where that comes from.

787
01:12:57,610 --> 01:13:05,750
Sure. So I believe the staff and land use environment committee recommendation is a data driven recommendation that comes from the market analysis.

788
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:11,690
And this recommendation matches the minimum size to demonstrated subordable square footage.

789
01:13:12,210 --> 01:13:18,170
And so the study identifies 900 square feet as the maximum potential size based on demand.

790
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:24,390
And so this avoids exceeding quantified demand, preserves flexibility, and reduces risk

791
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:25,630
of long-term vacancy.

792
01:13:26,050 --> 01:13:31,410
I think the risk of vacancy exists at any minimum size, but the recommendation is based on

793
01:13:31,410 --> 01:13:35,670
the data provided and aims to decrease the chance of a vacant development.

794
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:42,090
The 12,000 square foot minimum that was mentioned exceeds the upper bound of what was supported

795
01:13:42,090 --> 01:13:43,630
by the data and the analysis.

796
01:13:44,770 --> 01:13:45,970
Okay, great, thank you.

797
01:13:47,650 --> 01:13:52,370
And I also understand that, you know, one of the things that Jackson shared is like markets

798
01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:53,350
have changed over time.

799
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:56,550
It used to be that commercial was very strong, now housing is more strong.

800
01:13:56,650 --> 01:14:01,230
But I also understand that one of the changes that have happened in this nearby area since

801
01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:06,670
the envisioning of breaks that maybe has changed this equation is when the city decided to preserve

802
01:14:06,670 --> 01:14:11,990
LBA woods. So there was going to be significant housing over in that area and now it's preserved

803
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:16,450
as a park. So that's also part of the equation of how the market has changed around over this

804
01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:21,730
over time. So my understanding looking at the market study that was conducted in 2023 they looked

805
01:14:21,730 --> 01:14:29,310
at existing conditions and that is how they quantified demand. Okay great, thank you. And just for

806
01:14:29,310 --> 01:14:32,290
a little bit more context. One of the things I understood from the planning commission,

807
01:14:32,590 --> 01:14:38,010
because there is no minimum size for a grocery store at this point, and one of the things

808
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:42,430
the planning commission was, I think, rightfully concerned about was getting a mini-mart instead

809
01:14:42,430 --> 01:14:47,270
of a grocery store, a mini-mart being probably 3,000 square feet or less. So that's why the

810
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:51,170
conversation even came up at all. I believe it came from the planning commission to establish

811
01:14:51,730 --> 01:14:56,750
a minimum size. And just for some context, I just did some quick googling on this. So,

812
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:59,850
like, you know, spuds, the larger size store is 4,400.

813
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:29,860
So, just to contextualize some things, I think on the land use committee, one of the things we talked about is really wanting to make sure that you all get a grocery store and not wanting to take away so much flexibility that it doesn't happen at all. So that's some of the context there. I did hear one of the decisions that was made on the land use committee was to not allow the separation of that into

814
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:34,720
multiple businesses. And that was very intentional. We wanted there to be a grocery store where you

815
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:39,960
can get every single ingredient you need to make a meal. Not have to go to one store because it's

816
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,680
a butcher and one store because it sells cheese and then you get to the end of it and you don't

817
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:48,620
even have all the ingredients. So that was intentional. So I do hear that Ms. Burgess is requesting

818
01:15:48,620 --> 01:15:54,260
that amendment and I wouldn't support that myself. I think I have one final question for you Jackson

819
01:15:54,260 --> 01:16:01,800
and that is Ms. Burgess asked about adjusting the maximum building height to 50 feet from 45 so

820
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:08,020
that they can actually accommodate four stories. Previously, the number was 55 feet when it came to

821
01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:10,880
land use committee, but it sounds like 50 feet is now feasible.

822
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:14,720
We asked this question at land use

823
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,900
at the time, but has your perspective changed on that at all? Do you think that 45 feet is enough or

824
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:24,220
should we tonight consider boosting that up to 50 so they actually are able to achieve

825
01:16:24,220 --> 01:16:31,200
four stories. Thank you for that question. It does seem important. The documents I have

826
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:36,680
reviewed seem to show that four stories would be extremely difficult to achieve based on the design

827
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:45,140
standards at the 45 feet, 45 foot height and that 50 feet does seem appropriate if we want to

828
01:16:45,140 --> 01:16:46,660
to achieve the fourth story.

829
01:16:47,140 --> 01:16:50,420
Okay, so an additional thing for us to consider tonight,

830
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:52,740
this is new information since the Land Use Committee

831
01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:54,960
last talked about it as we may consider an amendment

832
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,000
to raise that commercial area up to 50 feet

833
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,940
so that they can actually achieve the four stories

834
01:17:00,940 --> 01:17:02,580
that are part of the recommended change.

835
01:17:02,860 --> 01:17:05,280
So I know I talked earlier about people talking a lot

836
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,800
in council meetings, but I actually did have a lot

837
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,420
to say on this one, and I'm done now.

838
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:12,870
I wasn't too bad at all.

839
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:18,430
All right. Yes, Council Member Green followed by Council Member Barrett.

840
01:17:19,210 --> 01:17:23,930
Thank you, Mayor Payne. Council Member Madron, thank you for that background. You answered

841
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:31,490
a couple of my questions. I will say I would be, you know, I appreciate the process that

842
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:35,890
planning commission and that land use went through. The multiple tenant option to me is appealing

843
01:17:35,890 --> 01:17:41,650
only because, like for myself, I live in a neighborhood where there is a bakery and there is

844
01:17:41,650 --> 01:17:47,510
a butcher and there, you know, and so I feel like there are models, or even if you think

845
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:50,850
about when you go to a farmer's market, right, you don't go to one stall to find everything.

846
01:17:51,710 --> 01:17:57,090
And so when I think about the ideal of getting some commercial development and getting some

847
01:17:57,090 --> 01:18:01,790
food in there, I feel like that's one of those flexibility pieces, but I, you know, I recognize

848
01:18:01,790 --> 01:18:07,170
the concern on the other end as well, so I just would say I would be supportive of reconsidering

849
01:18:07,170 --> 01:18:09,250
that amendment, but there it is.

850
01:18:09,250 --> 01:18:11,070
But I have a question for Jenica.

851
01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:20,170
So we heard some people tonight and we've seen some written public comment and just as

852
01:18:20,170 --> 01:18:27,790
a matter of practice, would you help me understand if someone is developing any type of reach

853
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:34,910
and so I'm thinking even of like craft district or if you are a developer, is it typically,

854
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:40,750
is it typical that that developer needs to recruit tenants retail, that sort of thing

855
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:47,330
or if the design and the location and everything is right, are retailers regularly sort of

856
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:48,830
seeking out those opportunities?

857
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:57,980
I guess I'd be hesitant to comment on what typically happens because it can look different

858
01:18:57,980 --> 01:19:02,160
for different developments and so I don't know that I would feel comfortable saying this

859
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,400
is the way something should proceed in that area.

860
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:05,500
Yeah.

861
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:06,360
Okay.

862
01:19:06,540 --> 01:19:09,460
Then you're probably not going to answer this question, but I'll just take, because where

863
01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:22,460
my brain is, is with no retailer coming in in 30 years, I just question, is it a combination

864
01:19:22,460 --> 01:19:23,520
of both of that?

865
01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:28,420
It feels like if that was an attractive space, an attractive design, an attractive whatever

866
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:35,260
that would have happened, or does that just never happen if a realtor or developer or somebody

867
01:19:35,260 --> 01:19:39,260
is an actively sort of selling that location.

868
01:19:40,980 --> 01:19:47,840
I think I have not had enough time meeting with the developer, chatting to really understand

869
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:53,880
more of the historical context of what has or hasn't taken place in terms of marketing

870
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:58,520
or conversations with potential tenants.

871
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:00,640
And that's fine.

872
01:20:00,780 --> 01:20:01,520
I want to be like this.

873
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,240
I'm not necessarily asking specifically about this developer and I don't feel like anybody

874
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,380
but he has to give evidence of it.

875
01:20:07,580 --> 01:20:09,400
I just was curious if in general

876
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,040
sort of how that market works.

877
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:15,140
So if I'm a specialty grocery store,

878
01:20:15,340 --> 01:20:17,080
am I out looking for the next opportunity

879
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:18,760
if I'm ready to grow or am I waiting

880
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,240
for somebody to come to me and say,

881
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,080
hey, we've got this awesome spot.

882
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,020
I see it happen both ways.

883
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:24,980
Okay, thank you.

884
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:29,920
Thank you, Council Member Barrett.

885
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:32,780
Thank you.

886
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,440
Jenica, I have a question too.

887
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:45,560
It's regarding the market study, it's my understanding that that study was, that the data

888
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:51,960
used was several years old as far as population and whatnot, and so it doesn't include the

889
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:57,880
900 people that are anticipated moving into Briggs Village when it's built out.

890
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:08,620
There was additional comments submitted by CAI who noted that there had been no material

891
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:13,580
change in the number of households close to Briggs Village or the number of households

892
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:19,320
or the competitive supply in the area to warrant additional technical analysis and so no

893
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,140
additional technical analysis was provided.

894
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:39,980
Is my understanding that actually 400 more residents have moved in in the last two years in the general region of Briggs, new developments and whatnot, particularly kind of on the county side.

895
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:52,380
So, it certainly didn't include the 900 people that are anticipated once it's built out,

896
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:55,100
correct?

897
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:04,140
I mean, my recommendation and staff recommendation is based on the hard data that was provided to us in the market study.

898
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:14,340
Yeah, but I'm just questioning market study and the facts they're in. So the market study

899
01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:22,320
didn't include the population of what Briggs would be when it's totally built out. That's

900
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:27,840
all. So the people who would be moving in would of course be accounted.

901
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,740
I guess that's

902
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:34,500
I just wanted to make that point, thanks.

903
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:37,380
Thank you.

904
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:38,540
Council Member Gilman.

905
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,180
Thank you.

906
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:43,320
I've got a couple of questions and a little bit of a rant.

907
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:49,280
So I realized we're not dealing with the parking

908
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,680
is really going to be reflected in the master plan,

909
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,320
but here's my question about parking.

910
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:00,260
We've reduced across the city the parking requirements

911
01:23:00,260 --> 01:23:01,260
for multi-family.

912
01:23:01,260 --> 01:23:12,680
So would those reduced parking requirements apply to the next round of multi-family units being built in the village?

913
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:26,240
That is correct. The currently adopted parking standards would apply to a current project right now or a future project in the village.

914
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:34,160
There aren't separate, there aren't the ability to have separate parking standards in the village compared to areas outside.

915
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,080
I just wanted to check my understanding.

916
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,340
That means there's two sort of compounding factors.

917
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:44,700
One is we're going to propose allowing increased density in this area.

918
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:52,360
And then since the plan was adopted, the city has reduced the parking requirements for multi-family,

919
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:59,700
which means that the artists' renderings, the sketches in the master plan, won't reflect

920
01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:06,220
the kind of parking that would actually be required. That is a correct assumption.

921
01:24:07,380 --> 01:24:11,860
The one thing that I would say regarding, I guess, the YMCA concern is that

922
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:19,100
that was the YMCA's approval when they went through the expansion, had a specific requirement

923
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:36,620
to provide parking spaces off site and they are still in the process of working through how that would look as the rest of the commercial core at Briggs is developed.

924
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:41,700
So there's more to that story, but that's where I'm listening to Jackson.

925
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:48,000
So I'm just trying to picture, we're relying on the on the street parking, which is currently

926
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:53,340
used by the retail, there is retail there now, and that retail uses the along the street

927
01:24:53,340 --> 01:24:53,800
parking.

928
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:03,000
And at this point in history, we haven't really pivoted to walking everywhere we go.

929
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,280
So people tend to get their ice cream cone via single occupancy vehicles.

930
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:11,140
It's just the reality right now.

931
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:17,840
So apartment dwellers also haven't gone down to 0.6 of a car per unit.

932
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:22,120
And so they're parking along the streets surrounding our apartment complexes.

933
01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:27,800
So I'm just I'm thinking out loud about that pressure for a minute, which to my mind means

934
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:35,760
these changes do impact parking even though we're going to address it more specifically if there

935
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,880
are master plan amendments that come after this. So that's the first thing. The other one is

936
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:51,840
I want to clarify because I'm this 9,200, 12,000, there's two different ways to think about commercial

937
01:25:51,840 --> 01:26:00,580
space. One is for construction, the shell and core, the empty space on the first floor

938
01:26:00,580 --> 01:26:06,360
of the building, how much square footage do we ask them to build to be ready for commercial

939
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:13,380
utilization? And then the other one is what is the minimum amount of a lease, a grocery

940
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:20,320
store lease that might get built out within that space? So when we're talking about 9,200

941
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:31,900
Would that likely be the size of the commercial shell in core that would be built so that that would effectively be an upper limit on what a grocery store could be?

942
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:35,440
That's a great question.

943
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:39,260
I would say there's a lot of flexibility in that.

944
01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:47,620
The layout of how the village might look through a master plan amendment will have to show.

945
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:56,560
So show those commercial spaces where they'd be located up to the required minimum square

946
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:03,700
footage. Oftentimes we see kind of a minimum and then a maximum provided in these type of

947
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:12,440
plans to give a scale of feasibility that both ranges could work based on how the buildings

948
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:15,480
and parking areas and everything is being laid out.

949
01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:19,360
And so I don't have a, I guess a clear answer,

950
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,940
other than to provide that background information

951
01:27:21,940 --> 01:27:26,400
that it could go both ways.

952
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,520
So that gives me interest in the comments we've had

953
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,740
about the 12,000 number, perhaps being appropriate

954
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:39,740
for how much space is left for a potential retail

955
01:27:39,740 --> 01:27:47,160
or grocery use within the first floor of this next large building and then it's a separate

956
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:53,480
discussion about what in the master plan would be a minimum size of grocery tenant within

957
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:54,060
that space.

958
01:27:54,280 --> 01:28:02,480
So I just want to make sure that we don't limit, you know, size it all down so we limit

959
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:08,440
the commercial build out initially the open space that's not residential on the first floor

960
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:12,700
And then that further limits who might come to grocery.

961
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:15,780
That's a good point.

962
01:28:16,460 --> 01:28:17,060
Yeah, thank you.

963
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,300
So that's on my mind.

964
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:19,480
That makes me interested.

965
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,500
And I just, I can't help but question.

966
01:28:24,140 --> 01:28:29,700
From my experience, the saying that commercial was the driver in 1995

967
01:28:29,700 --> 01:28:31,320
and today it's residential.

968
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:37,020
My experience living through that urban village in Dupont

969
01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:42,720
And that whole was kind of a fad in planning, was that it was planners having a vision of

970
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:51,960
walkable, village type, street nowly kinds of centers that we might master plan, which we're

971
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,900
calling the master plan villages, and that it wasn't so much that there was a huge demand for

972
01:28:56,900 --> 01:29:02,620
small grocery stores, and we were going to accommodate that, it was our trying to insist actually

973
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:08,300
over neighborhood opposition 30 years ago that this master plan was a better vision for

974
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:15,160
the future and my experience at least in Western Washington was that the struggle to get the

975
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:22,100
grocery store was the same in both urban in downtown Seattle and downtown Tacoma as well as in

976
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:30,400
these these planned community master planned communities. It just wasn't easy for anybody to find

977
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:35,240
a grocery store that was going to come into a neighborhood and plunk down.

978
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:41,360
So, I just want to acknowledge that's my experience of that history.

979
01:29:41,940 --> 01:29:49,980
But I believe that the people who bought homes and who bought businesses within Bergs Village

980
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:56,380
in these intervening 30 years bought it with an understanding of the master plan and the

981
01:29:56,380 --> 01:29:59,500
vision and the promise of a grocery store.

982
01:29:59,500 --> 01:29:59,980
All right.

983
01:30:00,620 --> 01:30:29,880
And then I would just close by saying, I also believe that the current owner purchased the Briggs Village project with the understanding that it was master plan, that it was guided by these documents and that these documents included the requirement to make provision for a grocer. So, I just, that's, you know, that's Mike Smith. And I was way over in the West side, not in the Southeast. So I didn't have a front row seat to all this.

984
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:40,480
but I watched pretty closely and I'm glad that we're considering I think this is a reasonable

985
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:49,500
move. I do appreciate both the proposal to consider including the total area and not just

986
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:56,260
the buildable area and also this idea of a larger shell-in-core to make sure that there's room

987
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:02,800
when a tenant is located, so that's, I appreciate the time, thank you.

988
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,140
Thank you, Council Member Gellman.

989
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:09,620
Yes, Council Member Marron.

990
01:31:11,380 --> 01:31:18,920
Mr. Mayor, I'm not sure that this is the correct form, and so I'll have to defer to the city manager and the attorney,

991
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:26,040
but I do have a couple of amendments I want to, I want the council to consider that I've circulated,

992
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:34,840
And sure, is it appropriate for me to make that motion now or should I just want to make

993
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,700
sure we follow the right decorum?

994
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:36,880
Sure.

995
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:38,420
One moment, Council Member Barrett.

996
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,980
I have a couple of questions and then we'll get to that.

997
01:31:42,660 --> 01:31:46,440
Are there, but before I go, does anybody else have any additional questions?

998
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:48,440
Okay.

999
01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:56,020
All right, Jackson, the development agreement caps the number of units.

1000
01:31:56,020 --> 01:32:08,200
it's 810 currently. So what would be the new threshold or maximum at that point if we don't have 810?

1001
01:32:08,980 --> 01:32:18,020
Yeah, so the land area would actually be the driving factor, removing the density, fitting in units

1002
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:31,500
around those services above those services is the goal and basically that cap was based on a lot of community

1003
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:38,500
concern over the amount of residents moving into the area and concern over the adoption of the

1004
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:47,340
Bergsmaster Plan and my understanding that they 110 was to not go too far and it also tied

1005
01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:52,740
directly back to the amount of required office and commercial that would have

1006
01:32:52,740 --> 01:33:00,000
been that's that was required per the current code and so there wouldn't the

1007
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:05,180
only thing restricting would be development standards setbacks height limits and

1008
01:33:05,180 --> 01:33:10,080
then what else is required in the village and so those commercial those

1009
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:14,360
commercial spaces would need to be accounted for but the rest could be

1010
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,640
developed in a configuration of different housing types?

1011
01:33:19,820 --> 01:33:29,980
Okay. I'm asking this question in part because of the conversation that Councilmember

1012
01:33:29,980 --> 01:33:35,540
Gilman just mentioned a moment ago around parking and that was going to be my point as

1013
01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:43,780
well or my question as well is that so if we're not sure of what the new maximum threshold

1014
01:33:43,780 --> 01:33:50,940
is and any action we take tonight would in fact affect the master planning process.

1015
01:33:51,760 --> 01:34:00,420
So I'm trying to understand like if we don't understand what that maximum is, that would

1016
01:34:00,420 --> 01:34:03,740
have implications on the parking concerns, correct?

1017
01:34:03,740 --> 01:34:14,540
So I feel like there's a little bit of a potential consequence as a result of that.

1018
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:21,860
And so I'm just trying to understand, because I hear the community members that are here, frankly,

1019
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,900
the concern is congestion, right?

1020
01:34:27,020 --> 01:34:32,160
And unfortunately for the people who are living there also having difficulty finding parking.

1021
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:40,140
And then you have to think about the people who are living there when they have guests in their homes, and they also have visitors and they need to park.

1022
01:34:41,140 --> 01:34:52,960
And so, I'm struggling a little bit with this concern around the parking and not having an understanding of the maximum number of units that would be developed.

1023
01:34:55,820 --> 01:34:56,700
Councilmember Branderpool.

1024
01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:03,480
Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of thoughts about Urban Villages and we've talked a little

1025
01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:08,040
bit around it, and I had a bunch of notes here, but my two councilmates said everything

1026
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:12,680
I was going to say, which is awesome, but then you talked about the issues of congestion

1027
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,520
and transportation issues around breaks.

1028
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:22,360
You know, one of the things about cities and planning in places like downtowns and urban

1029
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:28,580
densities or areas is that there's this tipping point where you have to hit a certain amount of

1030
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:35,560
units per acre housing 20-ish before you start seeing people walking more than driving and it's

1031
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:39,840
one of those little growing pains that we experience right where we wanted to have the density

1032
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:44,800
for walkability but you also have people surrounding it and low density housing right which is

1033
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:50,960
kind of the the the the issue we're dealing with right to understand the fact that even if you make

1034
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:56,080
density inside, you still have people that live a quarter mile away and the bus route doesn't go

1035
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:01,660
quite there, right? And so that's what that's, I think that's the most complicated part of this

1036
01:36:01,660 --> 01:36:06,900
and I'm glad you're bringing that up because, you know, I don't want us to over build parking

1037
01:36:06,900 --> 01:36:12,440
and then there be no space for housing and you don't want to under build how, under build parking

1038
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:17,880
before you transition to walkability. And so I think that's one of the, I think that's,

1039
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:23,180
That's one of the most difficult things, and I want to express that when we're talking

1040
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:27,440
about minimums, and this is, I just want to talk to this for a second because there's

1041
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,460
always confusion about what parking minimums are, right?

1042
01:36:30,860 --> 01:36:34,660
Parking minimums are the minimum that a city requires a developer.

1043
01:36:34,980 --> 01:36:37,900
They're not the amount that a developer will build, right?

1044
01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:39,520
And I always want to express that.

1045
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:47,160
The other side of this is the city of Olympia had reduced parking minimums for housing, but

1046
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,840
not for commercial. We haven't touched that yet as far as I know. We need to have a

1047
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,840
knot. And so that's the other part of it, right? Because this is mixed use. The commercial

1048
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:02,540
part of it will have some layer of requirement on parking, right? I see Tim Smith standing

1049
01:37:02,540 --> 01:37:08,320
up and walking over to maybe I don't know. But that's kind of the thing that I, that is

1050
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:12,260
the trickiest part of it is we don't really want to overdo it. We also don't want to underdo

1051
01:37:12,260 --> 01:37:19,100
it, right? And I hear the stress that folks have over this because they want to be able

1052
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:22,880
to get to that service, but they want to get to walk a building one day, right? And so

1053
01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:28,020
we have to think about the future while also thinking about where we are. And I kind of

1054
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:33,520
wanted to, while you're talking about that, kind of speak to that, that weird transition

1055
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,420
to get there, right? Just some thoughts I was having on.

1056
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,080
Just to add a couple more points, so the master planning process is good.

1057
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:48,620
I need to look at parking and how we can provide parking for the area including the issue with the YMCA.

1058
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:52,180
I will say that we're talking a lot about increasing residential, increasing parking.

1059
01:37:52,180 --> 01:37:57,200
If you remember, we're also decreasing commercial, decreasing retail in this situation too.

1060
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,340
So it's not necessarily net gain or loss.

1061
01:37:59,380 --> 01:38:02,480
We don't know the exact number, but retail is a huge traffic generator.

1062
01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:04,920
And we're reducing that amount and we're increasing residential.

1063
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:11,760
So I guess here and say that it's going to be a big impact to do know that it something was typically would be worked out through the master plan process.

1064
01:38:18,740 --> 01:38:26,520
Hello, I'm Nicole Floyd. I'm the director of planning and I happen to know that the applicant had sort of envisioned about 1400 units.

1065
01:38:27,340 --> 01:38:32,720
And I think that's a relatively safe number. So they would go from 810 to about 1400.

1066
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:38,100
That's obviously not been calculated for parking and all the different things, but I thought that was really.

1067
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:40,900
Thank you, Nicole. That's helpful.

1068
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:49,380
Okay. Any additional discussion on that? Yes, Council

1069
01:38:49,380 --> 01:38:54,840
member Renderpool. Nicole, I don't know if you want to speak to this a little, but I'll

1070
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:59,480
be for the public. When it comes to parking and when it gets to the hearings in the

1071
01:38:59,480 --> 01:39:03,820
Samaritan Park, could you express what is the possibility? What comes out of that? Because

1072
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:09,260
sometimes a hearing examiner decides some of that. There's some not decides, but some of

1073
01:39:09,260 --> 01:39:10,360
that is interpreted, right?

1074
01:39:12,670 --> 01:39:14,790
Well, so when we get to the master plan,

1075
01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:17,490
it will go through a bit of a road show.

1076
01:39:18,030 --> 01:39:20,210
Mostly it's gonna go to the design review board

1077
01:39:20,210 --> 01:39:21,690
to make sure that the design standards

1078
01:39:21,690 --> 01:39:24,010
that they propose are consistent with the vision

1079
01:39:24,010 --> 01:39:25,850
and values of the comprehensive plan.

1080
01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:29,630
Then the packet of things will go to the hearing examiner

1081
01:39:30,210 --> 01:39:31,890
and that's more of a technical review

1082
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:33,950
to make sure that it does as a whole,

1083
01:39:34,110 --> 01:39:36,410
the whole master plan meets the standards.

1084
01:39:36,970 --> 01:39:39,870
It's not every single building precisely.

1085
01:39:39,870 --> 01:39:48,330
We don't know how big each building is going to be, so we won't know precisely how many parking spaces each building will have to have, but we have a good idea.

1086
01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:55,130
So what typically happens is that the applicant would propose some sketches of what's possible.

1087
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:59,730
That's typically what manages or gets into the master plan.

1088
01:40:00,170 --> 01:40:06,670
And that's why you see, for example, in the master plan currently it shows about a 30,000 square foot grocery store.

1089
01:40:06,670 --> 01:40:09,790
Well, the minimum is zero and the maximum is 60.

1090
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:14,190
They picked, they picked something and they said, well, here's how we could accommodate

1091
01:40:14,190 --> 01:40:14,450
that.

1092
01:40:14,610 --> 01:40:15,390
It fits on the site.

1093
01:40:15,530 --> 01:40:16,170
There's enough parking.

1094
01:40:16,590 --> 01:40:21,310
So that's the review that would happen at the hearing exam or level is, does it all conceptually

1095
01:40:21,310 --> 01:40:24,430
fit within the ranges of what's available?

1096
01:40:24,990 --> 01:40:30,450
And so they would have to show how all of the parking for commercial and residential could

1097
01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:30,710
fit.

1098
01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:35,450
But they wouldn't have to pick precisely how big each building was going to be or exactly

1099
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:40,450
how the parking lot would be laid up then it comes to City Council after that.

1100
01:40:40,690 --> 01:40:41,430
Thank you.

1101
01:40:45,460 --> 01:40:46,120
All right.

1102
01:40:49,820 --> 01:40:56,500
So I'm hearing a couple of things that just kind of just want to quickly recap.

1103
01:40:58,060 --> 01:41:05,100
I'm hearing about the additional five feet or the 50 feet in height for the commercial space for the fourth floor.

1104
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:09,980
there's some interest in making that amendment or adjustment.

1105
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,460
Also Councilmember Gilman's

1106
01:41:14,460 --> 01:41:23,940
point about incorporating the total area, not just the building area, and still some concerns

1107
01:41:23,940 --> 01:41:31,180
around parking minimums for me. I want to make sure that we're not creating a problem that a future

1108
01:41:31,180 --> 01:41:38,080
Council is going to have to address it later. And Council member Vanderpool, you were kind

1109
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:46,160
of speaking to the complexities of trying to weigh that. And I also hear the recommendations

1110
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:51,360
from the Planning Commission and the Land Use and Environment Committee's recommendation

1111
01:41:51,360 --> 01:42:01,060
as well. So I would love to just hear more about when we get to the master planning

1112
01:42:01,060 --> 01:42:10,820
process. How can we ensure that we're not going to create this problem that we're talking about

1113
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:16,820
right now, which is just this jam of congestion for this area and not enough spaces?

1114
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:20,520
How can we make

1115
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:29,620
sure that that is part of the dialogue around master planning? Thank you, Mayor Payne. I'll do my best

1116
01:42:29,620 --> 01:42:36,240
to answer that, but I think it really, so as Nicole described, we'd look at a general layout,

1117
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:42,420
but when an individual project comes in each, so even though there's a master plan approved

1118
01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:48,200
for Briggs Village, each one of those projects that then gets built comes in for land use review.

1119
01:42:48,820 --> 01:42:55,920
And depending on the size of the project, that might trigger a traffic impact analysis,

1120
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:05,880
which would potentially look at adding streetlights or other crossings or speaking generally for any project.

1121
01:43:06,300 --> 01:43:14,420
But each project, so Master Plan gets amended when each project comes in after that,

1122
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:18,720
they would be reviewed for how many units, how much square footage of commercial,

1123
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:32,200
and then they would need to before before the city was able to recommend approval of of such project they would need to show how their meeting are adopted range of parking standards.

1124
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:45,740
And so the master plan is this overarching document, but then when we get down to each individual project level, those projects would also be reviewed and scrutinized by the code.

1125
01:43:45,740 --> 01:43:49,520
and ensure that each project being built out

1126
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:54,160
has the space to provide what our code requires

1127
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,780
for both commercial and residential.

1128
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:04,560
So it is hard to speak to the BRiggs Master Plan at large,

1129
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:10,160
but it really often comes out on a project by project basis

1130
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,580
of whether or not we need that traffic impact analysis,

1131
01:44:13,580 --> 01:44:19,360
us whether we need to figure out is this an unusual use that's going to draw a lot more people

1132
01:44:19,940 --> 01:44:27,600
to the area. That's the time where we city staff requires a traffic engineer to get involved

1133
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:34,280
to provide studies of that type of use and what expected peak trips would be, things like that.

1134
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:41,980
And so I understand definitely the community's concern and I think

1135
01:44:41,980 --> 01:44:49,000
I think that the other piece is just that YMCA parking agreement and the fact that they

1136
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:57,340
do not have the parking that they were approved under land use for and that hopefully as we

1137
01:44:57,340 --> 01:44:59,600
move into the future that that will be resolved.

1138
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,100
And alleviate a lot of the problems with the existing conditions. Knowing that there's a lot of commercial spaces and parking that has yet to be developed.

1139
01:45:12,940 --> 01:45:33,020
I think the other piece that you're talking about this really meaty thing of like, how do we best use the land and what is an urban village? And I think looking back to the comprehensive plan might bring some value because it's a helpful guidance document about what what is the vision for this area? And when you look at what an urban

1140
01:45:33,020 --> 01:45:41,080
villages opposed to be, it's a lot more like downtown than it is like other places. And I think

1141
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:46,700
it's fair to say that downtown doesn't have enough parking. And I think that's by design.

1142
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:55,660
And so when you think about what was the vision in 03 and then in 2016, I think you might find that

1143
01:45:55,660 --> 01:46:04,020
that it looks more like Ballard or the U-District or some of these places where you do have

1144
01:46:04,020 --> 01:46:10,360
to kind of build it and then walkability happens because driving is inconvenient.

1145
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:16,680
And so that's, I think, part of what's built into our comprehensive plan is this idea of

1146
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,040
really putting more into our multimodal transportation methods.

1147
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:28,740
is it's why parking was reduced for multifamily in part because I think council was weighing

1148
01:46:29,140 --> 01:46:34,520
whether we wanted more housing or more parking when land is short supply, you don't really

1149
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:35,000
get both.

1150
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:38,840
And that's a heavy thing to evaluate, especially on this scale.

1151
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:45,500
But in this moment, there's also a significant reduction in area that's going to be spent

1152
01:46:45,500 --> 01:46:52,440
on commercial, which does tend to have higher parking volumes and parking counts, so I think all

1153
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:58,780
of that ties together to a more philosophical point of, it's a hard decision, Council, to evaluate.

1154
01:47:00,710 --> 01:47:06,810
Thank you, Nicole. Thank you both, actually. Jackson and I appreciate the mention of the

1155
01:47:06,810 --> 01:47:11,930
traffic impact analysis on a project by project basis. I think that's helpful in terms of me understanding.

1156
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:20,650
Nicole, I, yeah, you're talking about growing pains, so yeah, that's a tough one.

1157
01:47:21,650 --> 01:47:21,850
All right.

1158
01:47:23,310 --> 01:47:24,910
Yes, Council Member Vanderpool.

1159
01:47:25,630 --> 01:47:29,950
Not to belittle this and make it any longer than it is, but I have a couple, when we're

1160
01:47:29,950 --> 01:47:35,690
talking about traffic analysis, the thing that came to my mind, the other part of this,

1161
01:47:36,350 --> 01:47:40,570
is the investment in the multimodal protected bike lanes, all of that.

1162
01:47:40,570 --> 01:47:46,570
because one of the concerns I hear from folks in and around Briggs is also the safety problems with

1163
01:47:46,570 --> 01:47:50,350
young highway and high speeds and other issues like that. That didn't get brought up tonight,

1164
01:47:50,350 --> 01:47:56,310
but that is a part of it, right? With higher amounts of vehicle traffic, there's a safety concern.

1165
01:47:56,570 --> 01:48:01,370
Well, there was a few comments about that, people crossing the street with kids, and so I don't,

1166
01:48:01,470 --> 01:48:08,270
we don't have anyone from public works here, but I'm very curious about if there were any

1167
01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:14,830
conversations with the developer about impacts and investments for the developer in that

1168
01:48:14,830 --> 01:48:20,230
safety, in that corridor around safety. If there was any conversations about including

1169
01:48:22,090 --> 01:48:25,930
investments to make it the traffic slower and safer for people who live through there,

1170
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:31,930
because that is a major concern and with more vehicles that could potentially cause more problems.

1171
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:54,980
Councilmember Vanderbilt, I'd say I can't really fully speak to that. There haven't really been those discussions. Often those discussions come down more from city engineering staff and through hearing examiner decisions or land use decisions of conditions that are put on projects.

1172
01:48:54,980 --> 01:49:03,780
And in my position right now, I couldn't speak to, we haven't had those conversations with the developer and

1173
01:49:05,260 --> 01:49:10,860
those would generally come down from our city engineering public works department.

1174
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:14,400
Yeah,

1175
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:18,060
it's really a timing issue.

1176
01:49:18,220 --> 01:49:21,420
I mean, typically for zoning code amendments, we don't get into those types of conversations.

1177
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:25,360
At the master plan stage or project stage, certainly that's a big issue.

1178
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:31,280
So, um, tensor question, no, that conversation hasn't happened, but it's forthcoming in the future.

1179
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:36,180
So, if it, when it comes back from the hair examiner, there may be an opportunity to have a conversation about this.

1180
01:49:36,380 --> 01:49:38,440
Yes. Okay. Thank you. I look forward to that.

1181
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:42,660
Mayor Pro Temwen.

1182
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,540
Yeah. Um, it kind of sounds like we were a little bit wrapping up here.

1183
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:57,920
So, I just wanted to share with my colleagues that I would be interested in supportive of, uh, having that, uh,

1184
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:06,480
90 to 100 square feet. The stay at 90 to 100 square feet have the flexibility of

1185
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:14,500
separating it into multiple food specific, different sizes, I suppose. So just

1186
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:19,160
having the flexibility for that but keeping it to be food. So I'm not sure if

1187
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:25,060
there's more discussion on that. Yes, Council Member Madron. Yeah, I just wanted to

1188
01:50:25,060 --> 01:50:29,220
be hearing different opinions on different pieces of this. I wanted to just kind of

1189
01:50:29,220 --> 01:50:39,600
recommended that maybe there's a motion for the, you know, what's articulated there and then we consider amendment by amendment and people can introduce amendments as they are interested.

1190
01:50:39,740 --> 01:50:45,700
We discussed them separately. We learned about impacts from staff, potential impacts from staff and then vote on the amendment separately.

1191
01:50:46,420 --> 01:50:55,860
Yep. You beat me to the punch. So that was going to be the next thing that I mentioned. So I know we have a couple different opinions here on the days and we have.

1192
01:50:55,860 --> 01:51:00,920
of a potential, potentially different motions.

1193
01:51:01,980 --> 01:51:06,020
So if one passes, then we can't entertain

1194
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:07,780
the other proposal.

1195
01:51:08,540 --> 01:51:13,340
So my suggestion would be for us to speak

1196
01:51:13,340 --> 01:51:16,120
to what exactly it is that we're supporting.

1197
01:51:16,900 --> 01:51:19,160
And if there is a motion that is made,

1198
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,540
then we will vote on that motion.

1199
01:51:21,540 --> 01:51:28,220
if it fails then we will move on to the other motion. But if we take up one and speak to it right

1200
01:51:28,220 --> 01:51:33,920
away and then it passes then we can't consider the other motion. Does that make sense? And so we need

1201
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:38,160
to be able to speak to each of them. Yes?

1202
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,660
I was thinking, because you're thinking that if a

1203
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:49,640
amendment comes forward and fails then a different amendment couldn't be considered or?

1204
01:51:50,260 --> 01:51:56,700
no, not a amendment by a amendment specifically, but we have a proposal for a potential amendment here

1205
01:51:56,700 --> 01:52:03,980
to be added with a motion, and so what I'm saying is is that if we put a motion on the floor

1206
01:52:03,980 --> 01:52:10,120
and there is an alternative motion to be proposed later, if we then vote on that motion,

1207
01:52:10,540 --> 01:52:12,580
we can't go back to the other.

1208
01:52:13,100 --> 01:52:13,880
I see what you're saying.

1209
01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:14,140
Yeah.

1210
01:52:14,140 --> 01:52:24,320
I think what we could do is make the original motion and then introduce amendments through that process one at a time and then and then we

1211
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:31,780
And then we got you know can alter the the original motion as we go through the process. Sure. Sure

1212
01:52:32,460 --> 01:52:33,880
Yes, thank you

1213
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:34,900
Yes

1214
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:42,180
City manager Bernie. I'm just here in the discussion to conferring with the city attorney and just to counsel member Madrone's proposal

1215
01:52:42,180 --> 01:52:48,640
what you could do is make the motion that is the land use committee's recommendation, make a motion in a second.

1216
01:52:49,260 --> 01:52:53,100
Right? Once it's seconded, Mayor, you don't have to call for a vote. You can continue to discussion.

1217
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:58,500
There could be an amendment proposal that's made. If that amendment proposal is seconded, you could have discussion.

1218
01:52:58,700 --> 01:53:04,720
And then you can have a vote just on the amendment only. If that amendment vote fails, that it's not considered in the original motion.

1219
01:53:05,340 --> 01:53:10,100
And so we could help you over here keep track of what's proposed and what amendments come forward.

1220
01:53:10,100 --> 01:53:11,660
to help you wrap this up at the end.

1221
01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:14,000
Okay, so if the amendment vote fails,

1222
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,000
it's not considered that we are adopting the whole thing.

1223
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:21,420
It just means that the original motion stays

1224
01:53:21,420 --> 01:53:24,460
as is minus any proposed amendment if it doesn't succeed.

1225
01:53:24,780 --> 01:53:26,320
Okay, thank you for that clarification.

1226
01:53:26,340 --> 01:53:29,440
I'm trying to keep, I'm trying to keep these guys

1227
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:32,380
from attacking me later if I get it wrong.

1228
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:35,920
Okay, all right.

1229
01:53:36,340 --> 01:53:38,640
So we will go ahead and do that then.

1230
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:46,700
And so is there a motion to for the land use and environment committees recommendation?

1231
01:53:48,140 --> 01:53:55,380
You looked at me, so I will go ahead and move to approve an ordinance amending OMC chapter

1232
01:53:55,380 --> 01:53:57,820
1805 related to urban villages.

1233
01:54:00,210 --> 01:54:00,550
Second.

1234
01:54:01,310 --> 01:54:01,950
All right.

1235
01:54:02,090 --> 01:54:03,310
We have a motion in a second.

1236
01:54:03,730 --> 01:54:07,230
And so is there any discussion further discussion?

1237
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:18,840
Mr. Mayor, I would like to make a motion to amend the recommendation by the Land Use Committee.

1238
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:27,100
And I've handed out the substance of my motion, if I shall I just speak to them a bit, thank you.

1239
01:54:28,020 --> 01:54:33,560
I have two, I'd like to move them both as one amendment or

1240
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:39,720
to shall I bless those in half? Okay, we'll have two. Okay, the first amendment addresses the number

1241
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:47,060
of square feet of commercial space and how it's calculated. And it's not inconsistent with the

1242
01:54:47,060 --> 01:54:53,620
report that was given, but it kind of locks in. The report I feel was somewhat vague, you know,

1243
01:54:53,620 --> 01:55:09,120
just locks in the point that it's designed to make sure that the open space is included in the formula of how to determine the required number of square feet for commercial space allowed.

1244
01:55:10,180 --> 01:55:20,700
It's just saying let's be clear that the critical areas in the open space are a part of that calculation.

1245
01:55:20,700 --> 01:55:30,080
that eliminates any day-gary, and it's consistent, I think, with what you presented.

1246
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:36,980
Correct. Yeah, that's right. So that would be my first amendment. And that deals with

1247
01:55:36,980 --> 01:55:41,380
the total number of commercial space totally at rings, which, by the way,

1248
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:50,280
you know, there's been a lot of moaning about all the failed businesses and what I, but actually

1249
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:59,780
the businesses are booming at Briggs, you know, so I believe if we can add commercial space we will

1250
01:55:59,780 --> 01:56:06,900
have a robust, we will have a robust business area that will add to the city's coffers through

1251
01:56:06,900 --> 01:56:08,280
tax revenue, drinkly.

1252
01:56:13,290 --> 01:56:15,790
Yes, Council Member Madroman followed by Council Member Gilman.

1253
01:56:16,150 --> 01:56:22,710
Yeah, Council Member Ben, I wonder if you could just move to amend and just read it off to open up

1254
01:56:22,710 --> 01:56:27,370
beneficial motion. And then someone could second and then we can discuss, we can ask questions

1255
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:32,690
of staff, et cetera. Okay, I thank you very much, Councilman. I moved

1256
01:56:32,690 --> 01:56:43,190
to amend OMC 518-05-05 table 5.02, the amount of commercial space district, row, a minimum

1257
01:56:43,190 --> 01:56:51,010
or maximum total amount of commercial floor space, column, urban village, to read as follows,

1258
01:56:51,010 --> 01:56:58,050
minimum, 500 square feet per acre of the entire village.

1259
01:56:58,190 --> 01:57:00,430
The entire is really the amendment.

1260
01:57:01,310 --> 01:57:06,450
And maximum, 1,300 square feet per acre of the entire village.

1261
01:57:06,670 --> 01:57:09,070
So it's really adding just the word entire.

1262
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:10,330
Second.

1263
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:10,910
All

1264
01:57:14,590 --> 01:57:14,710
right.

1265
01:57:14,910 --> 01:57:17,990
We have a motion and a second on that first amendment.

1266
01:57:18,410 --> 01:57:20,370
And Council Member Madron, you have the floor.

1267
01:57:20,370 --> 01:57:30,310
with discussion open. And I believe you just asked our staff this question, but I just want to be clear, you know, is what you said that this change really has no impact?

1268
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:36,390
Or what is the impact of making this change? Let me just make that clear. Yeah, what does this do for us?

1269
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:48,710
Well, that's a great question. So we do have a lot of different ways that we calculate, look at total properties and determine different things like density.

1270
01:57:48,710 --> 01:57:51,910
We do pull out critical areas and things like that.

1271
01:57:51,910 --> 01:58:01,230
The code is generally silent on how we would calculate the total acreage.

1272
01:58:01,450 --> 01:58:04,930
And so in that case, we would look at the entire site.

1273
01:58:05,330 --> 01:58:10,310
However, I don't see anything wrong with adding that language for clarity.

1274
01:58:10,670 --> 01:58:14,810
There are a lot of different density calculations that we have that are

1275
01:58:14,810 --> 01:58:20,110
in a different part of our code that do speak about excluding a lot of different certain

1276
01:58:20,110 --> 01:58:25,990
areas from that calculation, and I guess there could be an argument made that that's

1277
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:32,030
how you should, you could look at this, but that's just off the cuff I guess.

1278
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:40,650
So by adding the word entire, it just clarifies that that is the method that we would use,

1279
01:58:40,910 --> 01:58:43,990
and it's probably what we would have done anyway, is that what I'm hearing you say?

1280
01:58:43,990 --> 01:58:45,210
It's what we would have done anyway,

1281
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:46,990
but it would provide additional clarity.

1282
01:58:47,290 --> 01:58:47,690
Okay, great.

1283
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:48,430
Thank you.

1284
01:58:48,530 --> 01:58:48,990
I'm supportive.

1285
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:52,980
Thank you.

1286
01:58:53,300 --> 01:58:54,920
Additional discussions on that amendment.

1287
01:58:57,190 --> 01:58:57,390
All right.

1288
01:59:01,580 --> 01:59:02,020
Okay.

1289
01:59:02,420 --> 01:59:05,420
And so you made the motion on that first one.

1290
01:59:05,900 --> 01:59:06,640
So, yeah.

1291
01:59:07,940 --> 01:59:08,380
Yes.

1292
01:59:09,220 --> 01:59:11,080
Okay. Mayor Brotems making our way back.

1293
01:59:11,420 --> 01:59:11,580
All

1294
01:59:15,330 --> 01:59:15,470
right.

1295
01:59:15,690 --> 01:59:19,110
So there's been a motion and a second on that first amendment.

1296
01:59:20,250 --> 01:59:21,410
That one there on the top.

1297
01:59:21,410 --> 01:59:25,390
So, all those in favor, signify by saying aye.

1298
01:59:25,870 --> 01:59:26,050
Aye.

1299
01:59:27,070 --> 01:59:27,230
Aye.

1300
01:59:27,670 --> 01:59:28,050
Opposed?

1301
01:59:28,690 --> 01:59:29,050
Okay.

1302
01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:29,910
Motion passes.

1303
01:59:30,630 --> 01:59:31,030
All right.

1304
01:59:31,190 --> 01:59:32,110
And now for your second.

1305
01:59:32,290 --> 01:59:32,990
Thank you.

1306
01:59:34,210 --> 01:59:42,230
Ms. Red, this amendment, amends the approach to the size of the supermarket.

1307
01:59:42,230 --> 01:59:45,670
And essentially what it says is, if the,

1308
01:59:48,970 --> 01:59:51,290
if, well, let me, let me just read the amendment

1309
01:59:51,290 --> 01:59:53,390
and then I'll discuss it a bit.

1310
01:59:54,570 --> 01:59:59,970
I'd like to amend OMC 1805.0.

1311
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,620
Section 06BE to read as follows.

1312
02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:29,400
Urban village and community oriented shopping center, district requirements, the minimum grocery store size is 12,000 instead of 9,200 square feet with a maximum size of 50,000 square feet of gross floor area provided. This is a new language provided. If a grocer has committed.

1313
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:36,600
by contract to lease or buy a grocery space of at least 9,200 square feet such

1314
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:42,840
store may be permitted and constructed not withstanding the 12,000 square

1315
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:53,180
feet minimum. And the reason for this is a we can talk about all kinds of grocery

1316
02:00:53,180 --> 02:01:04,860
store models. But the popular models for a mid-sized store is more in the 10 to 11,000,

1317
02:01:04,940 --> 02:01:14,000
12,000 square foot range. It is true. There are stores all different sizes. We're not

1318
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:22,740
saying that the developer can't have a 92-hundred square foot store, but he must have a store

1319
02:01:22,740 --> 02:01:27,500
under contract if he wants to go down that otherwise it needs to be larger.

1320
02:01:29,780 --> 02:01:33,700
So it just allows a greater flexibility.

1321
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:42,940
I think there's a great fear that if we were to just say 9200 square feet there's an

1322
02:01:42,940 --> 02:01:49,460
argument against just locking in that number and this is the argument that the developer would

1323
02:01:49,460 --> 02:01:56,120
probably then build a 9200's Fairth Square with Shell and that he'd say that's going to be

1324
02:01:56,120 --> 02:02:06,960
the super market and that would be that, including the opportunity for many grocery retailers

1325
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:18,840
that might be very interested in the Briggs space. So in my view, it expands the opportunities

1326
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:23,460
for different retailers moving in, and that's why it's a good amendment.

1327
02:02:26,750 --> 02:02:29,030
All right. Thank you. Is there a second on that motion?

1328
02:02:29,310 --> 02:02:33,430
Second. All right. We have a motion in the second. Is there further discussion?

1329
02:02:33,630 --> 02:02:41,030
Council Member Gilman. Here's the scenario that makes me supportive of this amendment,

1330
02:02:41,590 --> 02:02:48,770
and that's that first you've got our requirements and our guidelines requiring what gets built when

1331
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:53,190
And a mixed use, a commercial and residential building is put up.

1332
02:02:53,810 --> 02:03:00,330
And I want to ensure that there is an adequate size area that's built for commercial use on that first floor.

1333
02:03:01,350 --> 02:03:12,430
Because while the master plan requires a grocer, there's no way to guarantee that a particular grocer who might come in is going to stay for the rest of time.

1334
02:03:13,150 --> 02:03:20,870
And so for us law and I actually I guess the rest I think it's a 50 year agreement there's there's some time on the master agreement is in there.

1335
02:03:22,540 --> 02:03:24,220
I did not have that information.

1336
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:30,840
It might not be for eternity but nonetheless a grocer could come in and leave.

1337
02:03:31,540 --> 02:03:39,300
And we would still have the another the desire for another grocer to come in and for it to be at least 90 200 square feet.

1338
02:03:39,300 --> 02:03:55,220
But it's two separate discussions, what kind of a groucher and what rules we put on them and what kind of a commercial space we insist they leave on the ground floor of a mixed use building to allow for a groucher to come in.

1339
02:03:55,660 --> 02:03:58,760
So that's why I think that this language would help.

1340
02:04:01,780 --> 02:04:02,260
Thank you.

1341
02:04:02,260 --> 02:04:04,460
So Council Member Green, followed by Council Member Madron.

1342
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,000
Yeah, thank you for that Council Member Gilman.

1343
02:04:09,940 --> 02:04:15,800
I'm not in favor of this amendment for really one big reason, and I know there's a lot

1344
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:21,800
of disagreement about the data that was used in the market study and in the assessment, but

1345
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:26,220
there was something that jumped out in that study to me that had nothing to do with that

1346
02:04:26,220 --> 02:04:26,540
data.

1347
02:04:26,540 --> 02:04:32,300
And that was the reality that the way Briggs is currently constructed and will continue

1348
02:04:32,300 --> 02:04:38,100
to be constructed, any business that goes in, any retail inclusive of a brochure is going

1349
02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:45,560
to be, you know, by design in the middle of the village in the core. And the busy thoroughfare

1350
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:52,320
there is Yamahaway. So that any brochure there will not be pulling in business that's on its

1351
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:56,880
way to somewhere else. Or, you know, I'm on my way to Safeway, but oh, I see that there's a

1352
02:04:56,880 --> 02:05:01,600
whatever right here. And I'm going to pull over the audience or the customer base is truly

1353
02:05:02,220 --> 02:05:08,400
the people living in the community, which again is totally the intent and people who go to

1354
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:13,020
that community, you know, intentionally, right? I'm going to the YMCA. I'm going to the dentist.

1355
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:19,580
I'm like that like that is the audience. And so I feel like the higher we set that minimum,

1356
02:05:19,580 --> 02:05:28,540
Um, the higher the likelihood that no one will do it because the bigger you get in square footage and the more you recognize it.

1357
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:32,260
And I recognize that the population there will be bigger than what it is now.

1358
02:05:32,260 --> 02:05:48,280
Again, that's like that's all totally the point, but I just really worry that, um, making this, uh, that this minimum bigger and envisioning, uh, you know, the original plan envisioned a certain size grocery store and it's 30 years later and it hasn't come.

1359
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:54,780
And I just feel like what I hear is interest in moving this forward.

1360
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:59,460
And I just feel like this is setting it up for another long stretch of, you know, the

1361
02:05:59,460 --> 02:06:00,740
reality of the free market.

1362
02:06:00,860 --> 02:06:06,200
And Councilmember Madron, you mentioned this earlier, is that we can't dictate a business

1363
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:08,500
to open if it's not going to be profitable, right?

1364
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:13,580
We live in a capitalist society and people feel all kinds of ways about that.

1365
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:14,220
And that's okay.

1366
02:06:14,220 --> 02:06:20,960
but the reality is, if I can't make a profit in 12,000 square feet based on the number of people

1367
02:06:21,500 --> 02:06:27,200
that will be shopping at my store, it's just, you know, no amount of municipal code in the

1368
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:35,200
world is going to change that reality for me. So, for me, I'm not in favor of that. And to,

1369
02:06:35,700 --> 02:06:41,460
you know, Jackson, you mentioned earlier that one of the goals you had was to avoid overly detailed

1370
02:06:41,460 --> 02:06:45,560
requirements, and I will admit, and I think I asked you about this once, Councilmember

1371
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:50,320
Barrett, it took me forever to understand the language in this. I was like, it's the minimum

1372
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:55,120
12 or is it 9200, and I don't understand why we're saying 12, but not really 12. And

1373
02:06:55,120 --> 02:07:01,080
so I do understand it now, but I don't feel like it's clear. I don't feel like it's a strong

1374
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:01,720
amendment.

1375
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:08,590
All right. Councilmember Madron followed by Mayor Pro Tem win.

1376
02:07:09,610 --> 02:07:11,710
I'm laughing a little bit, because it's actually not clear to me.

1377
02:07:13,570 --> 02:07:19,230
Because, and so Jackson, I'll ask you to clarify, but I'll just show you my, my plane

1378
02:07:19,230 --> 02:07:21,850
interpretation, not being a planner or a developer.

1379
02:07:23,710 --> 02:07:31,270
I read that to say that the minimum is 12,000 unless somebody has a contract in hand saying

1380
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:34,350
I will open a grocery store, but it'll be 9,200 square feet.

1381
02:07:35,010 --> 02:07:38,550
And at that point, it could be constructed at 9,200 square feet.

1382
02:07:41,090 --> 02:07:43,490
That is my exact reading of the code as well.

1383
02:07:44,050 --> 02:07:48,490
Okay, so it actually doesn't get to the goal that council member Gilman was just stating

1384
02:07:48,490 --> 02:07:51,730
in terms of having a larger building that could be grown into.

1385
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:53,870
Correct.

1386
02:07:54,610 --> 02:08:00,670
Okay, so I don't see this amendment as reaching the goal that I heard articulated.

1387
02:08:01,250 --> 02:08:04,230
And so for that reason, I don't support it.

1388
02:08:08,070 --> 02:08:08,530
Thank you.

1389
02:08:08,650 --> 02:08:09,290
Mayor Pratton-Win.

1390
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:16,500
Jackson, you're a champ.

1391
02:08:17,140 --> 02:08:17,820
Thank you.

1392
02:08:18,540 --> 02:08:21,380
So, we're all the public commenters that are waiting to speak.

1393
02:08:24,300 --> 02:08:36,520
I absolutely support sort of keeping our promise, if you will, or I guess councils before

1394
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:42,260
us, of the vision of breaks and having a fresh food available, right?

1395
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:43,940
And so, we've been hearing that tonight.

1396
02:08:43,940 --> 02:08:54,960
right? I don't think that this amendment will help make that a reality. I, for the reasons

1397
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:59,920
that Council member Green said about just, you know, if they would get enough visibility

1398
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:06,700
and traffic. Also, on Yom Highway, there are at least two major grocers,

1399
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:13,920
I think, big

1400
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:20,680
And I question if another grocery or grocery is going to want to compete with that.

1401
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:27,180
I also think of when people talk about neighborhood centers, and they light up when they talk

1402
02:09:27,180 --> 02:09:32,120
about places like the co-op, they talk about spuds, smaller, large spuds.

1403
02:09:34,380 --> 02:09:38,720
And even people still talk about the little general that used to be in downtown.

1404
02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:55,580
And I think about the, I think, making it larger is, I think it's a dated idea.

1405
02:09:56,740 --> 02:10:02,660
I think that we're seeing smaller footprints for restaurants, for grocery, for other service deliveries.

1406
02:10:02,660 --> 02:10:09,540
stories. And I don't want to get locked into our idea of what, you know, what a grocery

1407
02:10:09,540 --> 02:10:14,660
store needs to be like. I think just being really focused on, will there be fresh food

1408
02:10:14,660 --> 02:10:22,340
available? You know, will there be things that are not the sort of typical convenience stores?

1409
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:32,640
But if we could get a convenience store, like the ones that they have in Japan, I'm all

1410
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:36,540
I just don't see that this one adding value I think that it would work against us.

1411
02:10:36,620 --> 02:10:42,360
I think it comes with great intentions. I worry about the impact. Also perhaps this is another

1412
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:51,220
amendment, a separate amendment mayor, but I am not only in favor of keeping it 9200, but also

1413
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,220
with the flexibility of separating it out potentially.

1414
02:11:01,630 --> 02:11:04,550
Yeah, so hold on to that because

1415
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:09,910
Because should this amendment fail, you'll need to make a proposed and alternative.

1416
02:11:10,770 --> 02:11:13,230
All right, Council Member Vanderbilt, followed by Council Member Mangeron.

1417
02:11:14,170 --> 02:11:20,610
Well, I want to clear, I want to ask a staff, a clarifying question about what Council Member

1418
02:11:20,610 --> 02:11:29,530
Drones said about, if you're a developer and you're trying to build the ground floor

1419
02:11:29,530 --> 02:11:35,650
of a mixed-use development, right, and you read this and they say,

1420
02:11:35,650 --> 02:11:38,170
as, you know, I want to build the building,

1421
02:11:38,170 --> 02:11:39,690
and then I want to attract it.

1422
02:11:39,950 --> 02:11:45,570
Do developers usually attract the tenants first,

1423
02:11:45,970 --> 02:11:47,010
or do they build it first?

1424
02:11:47,170 --> 02:11:49,590
What is usually the place of thought

1425
02:11:49,590 --> 02:11:51,450
that people go through when they go through this?

1426
02:11:51,530 --> 02:11:54,290
Because that's kind of the crux of the question

1427
02:11:54,290 --> 02:11:55,870
I'm hearing from my council mates is like,

1428
02:11:56,750 --> 02:11:59,590
is would the developer build it,

1429
02:11:59,670 --> 02:12:01,470
and then something would happen,

1430
02:12:01,770 --> 02:12:03,430
or would they attract,

1431
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:10,570
Like, because that's what this provided statement is really about the crux of is, would

1432
02:12:11,890 --> 02:12:16,990
the developers usually just build a space, like we see it in downtown all over the place

1433
02:12:16,990 --> 02:12:21,290
where we, like, just over here, there's a, there's a, on state, there's some vacant spaces,

1434
02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:21,630
right?

1435
02:12:21,890 --> 02:12:23,070
Some of them are starting to come in.

1436
02:12:23,490 --> 02:12:32,150
So, my question is, does this, that's the provided question, right, is, is, if they're

1437
02:12:32,150 --> 02:12:37,150
to develop a mixed-use development with so many feet up and have this many units, aren't

1438
02:12:37,150 --> 02:12:42,210
they going to have to build the whole bottom first anyway? Or would the provided limit

1439
02:12:42,210 --> 02:12:43,150
that? I'm just curious.

1440
02:12:45,110 --> 02:12:51,410
Thank you, Council Member Vanderpool. I would say, going back to Gina's comments, that it

1441
02:12:51,410 --> 02:12:59,150
does kind of go both ways, but I would agree this amendment would require that larger space

1442
02:12:59,150 --> 02:13:16,560
to be built out if they didn't have a tenant and so I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all approach to how businesses seek out tenant spaces.

1443
02:13:16,580 --> 02:13:25,560
I think that it all kind of is dependent on exactly their story. I'll leave it at that.

1444
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:39,540
Can I clarify a question, maybe Tim can answer it, but let's say the developer builds the whole space, and then they look at this provided, and they put up walls that meet that provided, right?

1445
02:13:39,680 --> 02:13:47,600
They have a huge floor, wide floor, and then they subdivide it to the 9200 and it says, and based on the provided, would a developer do that?

1446
02:13:48,020 --> 02:13:51,740
Or is that something that doesn't make any sense because utility and other things?

1447
02:13:53,180 --> 02:13:57,880
I would say that would be difficult to, I mean they could petition it off and create

1448
02:13:57,880 --> 02:14:06,120
that smaller 9200 square foot space, but I think they'd be renting likely the whole space

1449
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:11,680
unless they broke out these really small micro commercial spaces to be used for something

1450
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:12,500
else in that building.

1451
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:15,460
But I think I have Tim behind me that might want to speak to it.

1452
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:15,860
Okay.

1453
02:14:16,340 --> 02:14:16,940
Thank you.

1454
02:14:21,340 --> 02:14:23,860
My responsibility is based on what the market is.

1455
02:14:24,080 --> 02:14:27,420
I mean downtown you're seeing very hot residential development market,

1456
02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:29,060
not so much for gone for retail.

1457
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:32,180
And so what's happening is that they're building shell space

1458
02:14:32,180 --> 02:14:34,680
for the commercials, for future tenants use.

1459
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:38,100
And then the residential goes and it gets immediately rented out.

1460
02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:41,560
Probably the same thing within Briggs unless there's a huge market change

1461
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:44,360
it's likely to be a mixed use building with a shell for the commercial

1462
02:14:44,360 --> 02:14:45,980
and then the residential on top.

1463
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,640
And so whether or not it's to partition out that again depends on the market as well.

1464
02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:52,920
Sometimes it's, it'll work sometimes it doesn't.

1465
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:57,140
And so it's this kind of a big answer of that's really what we're seeing.

1466
02:14:57,740 --> 02:14:59,720
with the language as it is.

1467
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:23,660
There's a limit, someone from subdividing it. I guess it's not a way to ask it. I think it's subdivided, but unless the council get direction that you could partition off into this into different spaces, it would have to be used for something besides commercial. Okay. Thank you. Or at least as a store, it could be something else in office or some other type of thing. Okay. So there's nothing in it that would limit them from doing that. Just cost. Okay. Thank you.

1468
02:15:26,740 --> 02:15:31,300
All right. Council Member Menderon. Don't worry. This one's not a question for you, Jackson.

1469
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:36,580
I just want to remind us all that currently the minimum is zero.

1470
02:15:37,500 --> 02:15:40,080
So we are establishing a minimum through this conversation.

1471
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:45,480
And I also want, you know, as we've been talking about, like, you know, will they build

1472
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:45,880
it first?

1473
02:15:46,120 --> 02:15:51,000
Will they build it after someone's, you know, secured, you know, that we can't really speculate

1474
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:52,600
about the future.

1475
02:15:55,220 --> 02:16:06,520
and I think we see some examples downtown where we do require commercial to be built with housing and and some of it gets filled and some of it stays vacant.

1476
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:19,240
So I think that's something that we need to keep in our minds, you know, what if we end up requiring something to be built that remains vacant is that a service to the community.

1477
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:20,740
So just want to put that out there.

1478
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:29,920
So we have a motion in a second on this amendment.

1479
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:36,580
So I'm going to go ahead and take that vote unless there is any further discussion, and

1480
02:16:36,580 --> 02:16:37,480
I'm not seeing any.

1481
02:16:38,500 --> 02:16:38,700
Okay.

1482
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:44,960
So all those are favor of adopting the amendment as proposed, signified by saying aye.

1483
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:45,620
Aye.

1484
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:46,960
Opposed?

1485
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:47,820
Nay.

1486
02:16:48,260 --> 02:16:48,320
Nay.

1487
02:16:49,420 --> 02:16:50,220
All right.

1488
02:16:50,220 --> 02:16:51,980
All right, amendment fails.

1489
02:16:54,460 --> 02:16:56,360
So, yes, Council Member Green.

1490
02:16:57,260 --> 02:16:58,300
I'd like to make a new amendment.

1491
02:16:58,600 --> 02:16:58,700
Sure.

1492
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:02,500
And I unfortunately don't have the exact language,

1493
02:17:02,500 --> 02:17:05,980
so I'm not sure the best process.

1494
02:17:07,620 --> 02:17:09,540
So, you manager, do you have a recommendation?

1495
02:17:11,060 --> 02:17:14,240
I think you're going to make a motion to amend,

1496
02:17:14,440 --> 02:17:17,620
to allow the space to be subdivided into smaller spaces.

1497
02:17:17,940 --> 02:17:19,180
Is that the one you're speaking of?

1498
02:17:19,180 --> 02:17:40,400
Correct, so when I'm looking at this language in B that we're seeing here, but negating the 12,000, rather than saying grocery store, saying grocery square footage, that could be comprised of multiple grocery tenants.

1499
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:51,740
I'm going to look at Tim and Nicole and Jackson, but I think we could probably work with the intent if you made that motion in that way and then we could construct the language as it comes back to you on second reading to match what you're asking.

1500
02:17:54,760 --> 02:18:00,240
There was some language that came to the land use committee and we changed it.

1501
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:02,120
Do you have that in front of you Jackson?

1502
02:18:02,540 --> 02:18:04,540
I was looking for it. I could not find it in the packet.

1503
02:18:04,540 --> 02:18:34,120
I do not have it right in front of me, but it was very much along the lines of what you just spoke to being able to take that $9,200 and break it into things that would fall under the food store definition, which is where the grocery store lives and that would be something some business that primarily sells some food product and that that could be a bakery that could be a butcher shop those are a nice cream or not a nice cream.

1504
02:18:34,120 --> 02:18:43,400
You may not be for, not retail, not a restaurant, but something you would buy food, leave it, prepare it at home.

1505
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:59,080
So, that is my motion to amend this to make 9,200 the required square footage for grocery, but achievable through multiple businesses that meet the food store definition or tenants.

1506
02:18:59,480 --> 02:19:01,060
Yeah, multiple tenants, but it's properly.

1507
02:19:01,060 --> 02:19:02,100
All right,

1508
02:19:04,650 --> 02:19:06,010
is there a second on that motion?

1509
02:19:06,430 --> 02:19:06,610
Second.

1510
02:19:07,230 --> 02:19:10,070
All right, we have a motion in a second.

1511
02:19:10,210 --> 02:19:10,950
Councilmember Majron.

1512
02:19:13,470 --> 02:19:16,690
I was just trying to frantically find the language and ledistar.

1513
02:19:17,550 --> 02:19:19,930
I just want to make sure that what we,

1514
02:19:20,370 --> 02:19:22,070
what I think, what your intent is,

1515
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:23,610
I'm still on support if I'm going to vote against it.

1516
02:19:23,850 --> 02:19:24,830
Just to be transparent.

1517
02:19:25,230 --> 02:19:29,590
But I just want to make sure that we're still talking

1518
02:19:29,590 --> 02:19:31,050
about food stores.

1519
02:19:31,050 --> 02:19:38,270
And I think that was the language that came to lane you so it can't be broken up for any kind of retail. Okay. That's all. All

1520
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:42,400
right. Thank you council member Gilman.

1521
02:19:42,780 --> 02:19:47,060
Well, that's an example of I'm from the government and I'm here to help. That's pretty nice.

1522
02:19:47,540 --> 02:19:54,240
Pretty nice. So, so I'm speaking against this this motion.

1523
02:19:54,240 --> 02:20:07,540
In my perspective, the deal that was made to approve the Briggs Urban Village in 2006

1524
02:20:07,540 --> 02:20:16,220
was that the neighbors agreed to have dense multifamily in an area that was primarily

1525
02:20:16,220 --> 02:20:23,580
single-family houses in exchange for also having a retail center that had at its core a

1526
02:20:23,580 --> 02:20:29,800
grocery store. That grocery store has been, that was the, that was the center of the end

1527
02:20:29,800 --> 02:20:38,540
of the debate, however many years ago that was, 20 years ago, and it's been the center

1528
02:20:38,540 --> 02:20:45,720
of the last year of conversation around this. So for me, a single grocery store was the

1529
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:51,120
deal, and it was the deal, as I said earlier, when this current property owner purchased

1530
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:51,740
just the property.

1531
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:53,680
They bought it with this master agreement,

1532
02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:58,160
this master plan for the village in place.

1533
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:02,420
So I would prefer that we left it as a single grocery store.

1534
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:05,460
Thank you.

1535
02:21:05,780 --> 02:21:06,760
Count some member, Madron.

1536
02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:09,600
Yes, first half I found the language.

1537
02:21:10,540 --> 02:21:13,960
And so we're all on the same page.

1538
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:18,500
After a floor area, the language was grocery or food stores

1539
02:21:18,500 --> 02:21:21,160
can be separated into multiple tenant spaces.

1540
02:21:21,620 --> 02:21:22,480
That's what it says.

1541
02:21:24,020 --> 02:21:26,240
I'm on team Gilman on this one.

1542
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:30,900
The discussion that we had in the land use committee is we want the folks at Briggs Village

1543
02:21:30,900 --> 02:21:36,960
to be who live in that area to be able to walk over to a store and get everything they need to make a meal.

1544
02:21:37,400 --> 02:21:40,740
They are not guaranteed to be able to do that under this kind of scenario.

1545
02:21:41,300 --> 02:21:47,640
So that I think I think what councilmember Gilman was speaking to in terms of, you know,

1546
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:54,660
So what we've heard from the community on this and what they bought into as being a part

1547
02:21:54,660 --> 02:21:58,720
of that community, that's what we've been trying, that was what we wrestled with the

1548
02:21:58,720 --> 02:22:02,480
Land Use Committee even talking about what's the right square footage to make sure that

1549
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:05,840
we get a grocery store to not have enough flexibility.

1550
02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:10,380
I think once you start allowing that to be separated into separate tenant spaces for different

1551
02:22:10,380 --> 02:22:14,960
types of food stores, you've lost the intent there.

1552
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:15,700
All

1553
02:22:18,320 --> 02:22:28,920
right. Yes. Councilmember Green. Yeah. You know, I completely appreciate the sentiment and I and again, I know you all had robust discussion about this.

1554
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:41,260
I think just one additional comment on where my lens is with this is that, you know, and when we've heard it from several people tonight, is that small retail there is working, right?

1555
02:22:41,260 --> 02:23:01,940
The ice cream parlor is busy, the tap house is busy, and so in my mind, giving some flexibility to this just increases the opportunity again that someone's going to see that as an opportunity of, you know, a smaller square footage, which is a little less expensive to lease less expensive to operate just maybe more appealing.

1556
02:23:01,940 --> 02:23:16,860
So my intent is really around, it feels like more of an opportunity to get there, but I recognize that, you know, at the end of the day, you know, if it's not the exact perfect mix of tenants, you know, again, you don't meet that.

1557
02:23:16,940 --> 02:23:25,560
So that was just a piece of where I was coming from is the smaller footprints are working out there. So it feels like the ability to build on to those to achieve a goal.

1558
02:23:25,560 --> 02:23:28,620
All right,

1559
02:23:31,340 --> 02:23:33,500
Council Member Gilman, followed by Council Member Barrett.

1560
02:23:34,820 --> 02:23:44,300
So I just want to check my understanding that the grocery store, we're talking about

1561
02:23:44,300 --> 02:23:48,520
sort of the requirement for the grocery store, some parameters around it, but we're not

1562
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:51,360
talking about the total commercial space.

1563
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:56,020
So there are several retail and office spaces now.

1564
02:23:56,840 --> 02:23:59,400
There are some parcels along, is that Henderson?

1565
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:03,420
Yeah, along Henderson that there are folks

1566
02:24:03,420 --> 02:24:06,320
have expressed interest in having additional retail

1567
02:24:06,320 --> 02:24:06,820
and commercial.

1568
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:10,740
So something I don't know is if you took that minimum

1569
02:24:10,740 --> 02:24:14,620
500 square feet for the entire village,

1570
02:24:14,780 --> 02:24:19,500
how much more retail that might be other small shops?

1571
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:33,720
What's the net between 10,000 square feet of grocery store and the amount that's built and then the amount that's required under the urban village plan?

1572
02:24:34,940 --> 02:24:39,340
Great question and I do have a few numbers prepared to speak to that.

1573
02:24:40,520 --> 02:24:47,420
Currently doing some math or looking at the assessor's records there's about 14,000 square feet of commercial retail.

1574
02:24:47,420 --> 02:24:53,040
that counts the coffee, the coffee stand, the ice cream parlor and the dentistry with Briggs

1575
02:24:53,040 --> 02:25:03,140
tap house, all those different spaces. The code based on the math, it would require approximately

1576
02:25:03,140 --> 02:25:13,500
68,000 of commercial as a minimum based on these proposed amendments. And so doing some quick math,

1577
02:25:13,500 --> 02:25:22,160
your left with, you know, over 40,000 after subtracting out the required grocery and what's

1578
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:28,580
existing. Thank you, Jackson. So this could be really good news. This might mean that we could

1579
02:25:28,580 --> 02:25:32,920
hold on to the grocery store requirement and there could still be room for oodles of small food shops.

1580
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:40,950
Not oodles, parking, remember. All right.

1581
02:25:40,950 --> 02:25:45,490
All right. Councilmember Barrett.

1582
02:25:45,650 --> 02:25:51,450
Thank you. I just want to voice my opposition to this.

1583
02:25:51,690 --> 02:26:00,490
We don't want a wine shop, a deli, a vinegar store, a cheese shop, next to each other.

1584
02:26:00,630 --> 02:26:06,830
We want a supermarket where there is fresh food and big goods and meat,

1585
02:26:11,330 --> 02:26:20,570
I don't think that vusting up the space really serves the needs of the community and just leave it at that.

1586
02:26:25,140 --> 02:26:26,100
Council member Vanderpool.

1587
02:26:29,060 --> 02:26:35,740
I'm against this, but I also want to express an understanding of why because, you know,

1588
02:26:37,780 --> 02:26:41,960
I want to express this because

1589
02:26:41,960 --> 02:26:47,640
because we really don't see the problem with urban villages and the problem with this type

1590
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:50,900
of development and it was kind of expressed a little earlier and I had it in my thoughts

1591
02:26:50,900 --> 02:26:55,540
earlier but we kind of passed that but the problem with an urban village and the problem

1592
02:26:55,540 --> 02:27:02,040
with where we are and having this conversation I'm just kind of deeply looking into this is

1593
02:27:03,180 --> 02:27:09,860
to get to a walkable mix used place like a downtown and other places usually you don't have

1594
02:27:09,860 --> 02:27:15,440
Now this type of granular, prescriptive code amendments and stuff.

1595
02:27:15,720 --> 02:27:21,560
But for me, it's, you know, I'm just, I'm glad that we're having these conversations

1596
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:22,960
because we want to get there.

1597
02:27:23,140 --> 02:27:28,660
We want to get to that, that use and I appreciate the amendment to consider what do we do if

1598
02:27:28,660 --> 02:27:29,320
we split it up.

1599
02:27:29,360 --> 02:27:30,140
We do this and that.

1600
02:27:30,460 --> 02:27:34,160
But ultimately, I can't wait until, I'm saying this, I'm probably going to say this later,

1601
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:38,320
I can't wait till we don't have to do this type of planning for a while or maybe never

1602
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:38,820
again.

1603
02:27:38,820 --> 02:27:48,400
because I'm such a fan of flexibility and zoning and so this is kind of navigating through this. I

1604
02:27:48,400 --> 02:27:54,360
wouldn't say I appreciate the amendment even though I'm going against it because I understand

1605
02:27:54,360 --> 02:28:00,080
that the need to try to get the thing and it's really difficult because cities don't build things but

1606
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:06,180
we have to like navigate prior code from years ago to get the thing because half of it's already built

1607
02:28:06,180 --> 02:28:12,260
and there's only one developer on like a downtown where you have multiple parcels right all over the place

1608
02:28:12,260 --> 02:28:18,000
But they're on by one person and so I want to say I appreciate that even though I'm gonna vote against it. Thank

1609
02:28:20,720 --> 02:28:21,140
you

1610
02:28:21,140 --> 02:28:26,760
We are about two and a half hours in and we still have three other business items

1611
02:28:26,760 --> 02:28:35,600
So I just want to mention that for us to make that mental note, although this is an important conversation and we also have public commenters here as well

1612
02:28:36,400 --> 02:28:37,480
Mayor Pro Temwen.

1613
02:28:39,650 --> 02:28:43,070
That's just my final effort to say that I don't think

1614
02:28:43,070 --> 02:28:53,250
that the 9200 square footage is and it being only a single

1615
02:28:53,250 --> 02:28:56,750
grocery location, I don't think it's the only way to have a store

1616
02:28:56,750 --> 02:29:00,550
where people can go and use it as a grocery store,

1617
02:29:00,670 --> 02:29:02,910
not just a place to buy one thing.

1618
02:29:03,770 --> 02:29:13,810
There we've seen smaller models succeed in our city, and also just for me, I don't go

1619
02:29:13,810 --> 02:29:15,470
to any grocery store and find all of my ingredients.

1620
02:29:15,910 --> 02:29:17,530
I have different ingredients in different places.

1621
02:29:17,930 --> 02:29:20,470
I won't say who, but some people got bad produce, okay?

1622
02:29:20,850 --> 02:29:26,350
I buy it and then in two days it's going brown, okay, and so I've marked them in my mind

1623
02:29:26,350 --> 02:29:31,770
as great for bread, bad for produce, you know, and there's a little laughter maybe because

1624
02:29:31,770 --> 02:29:38,490
people can relate to that. You know, maybe one day I want to be making Asian food. One day I'm

1625
02:29:38,490 --> 02:29:43,470
going to be Asian American food. You know, I'm going to need different ingredients. So, hey, and I

1626
02:29:43,470 --> 02:29:51,250
also I get that this is about walkability, but I just and I would love for it to be a grocery store

1627
02:29:51,250 --> 02:29:58,170
that's local. I really, really would. I think that it I think it would be hard to have a local

1628
02:29:58,170 --> 02:29:59,710
that's 9,200.

1629
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,960
Square foot, or feet. And then I also think about like, okay, well, are we just, you know, holding out hope that there's going to be a big chain grocery store that comes in? I'm not sure if they will, because not too far away, there's some big chain grocery stores. So I don't, again, want to, you know, abandon the notion of having a Briggs village that is an urban village that has food that people

1630
02:30:29,960 --> 02:30:37,380
can walk to. And also we had heard from one of our planners that it's going to look a little bit

1631
02:30:37,380 --> 02:30:43,640
more like downtown. In a good way hopefully, you know, that's a smaller footprint. People getting

1632
02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:49,800
their their produce, it's changed. People sign up for a community shared or community supported

1633
02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:56,000
agriculture. They'll go and get their pickup of fresh produce somewhere nearby. They'll even,

1634
02:30:56,240 --> 02:31:00,240
there's all of these, I don't want to advertise for them. I feel like they're already on my algorithm.

1635
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:06,680
But there's all of these like fresh food boxes that required no or a little prep that

1636
02:31:06,680 --> 02:31:14,420
get shipped to your door and people do that now and so I just feel like why are we,

1637
02:31:16,660 --> 02:31:20,860
I think with good intention, but why are we boxing in what a grocery store needs to look

1638
02:31:20,860 --> 02:31:21,200
like?

1639
02:31:21,720 --> 02:31:27,940
You know, I think it's over complicating it to an extent and if they get a single one, great.

1640
02:31:27,940 --> 02:31:32,520
right. If they can do it with multiple, great. At the end of the day, don't we want to

1641
02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:38,100
just get fresh food to people? So that's not a question, Jackson. Okay.

1642
02:31:40,620 --> 02:31:41,700
I do wonder

1643
02:31:41,700 --> 02:31:45,680
though, if there is a way, I know we're already long on this, but I wonder if there is a way

1644
02:31:46,140 --> 02:31:51,920
that they could break it up, perhaps, because it kind of seems like this motion is failing,

1645
02:31:51,920 --> 02:32:15,400
even by some that race to second it, though I wonder if there's something that we can put in about, you know, if you can break it up if you get a grocery store with all the traditional things that we think of a grocery store that's smaller than 92 hundred square foot and then you can do something else with the rest.

1646
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:23,400
Yeah, other food things, but it's just also why are we acting like we don't go bananas when there's a new bakery in town?

1647
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:31,040
When there's a new taco shop in town, I guess we're not going for a restaurant here, but when there's a new cheese shop, you know, I mean this town loves it.

1648
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:40,140
If you look at the best of Olympia page, people are freaking out over shops that only sell one thing. So I suppose I rest my case.

1649
02:32:42,500 --> 02:32:52,240
All right, so we have a motion in the second on the floor for the previously proposed amendment.

1650
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:54,100
So we're going to go ahead and take that vote now.

1651
02:32:54,280 --> 02:32:55,340
There's no further discussion.

1652
02:32:56,380 --> 02:32:59,180
All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1653
02:32:59,720 --> 02:32:59,880
Aye.

1654
02:33:00,860 --> 02:33:01,100
Aye.

1655
02:33:01,860 --> 02:33:02,460
Opposed?

1656
02:33:02,840 --> 02:33:03,100
May.

1657
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:05,340
Motion fails.

1658
02:33:07,590 --> 02:33:08,010
Okay.

1659
02:33:08,470 --> 02:33:09,730
So that takes us.

1660
02:33:09,730 --> 02:33:14,530
Yes, all right. Council Member Maggiorne followed by Council Member Vanderpool.

1661
02:33:15,050 --> 02:33:23,750
I do have one more amendment. I move that we adjust the maximum building height

1662
02:33:23,750 --> 02:33:29,450
for mixed use buildings facing the town square to 50 feet from 45.

1663
02:33:30,450 --> 02:33:34,810
Second. That's right. Any discussion on this?

1664
02:33:36,190 --> 02:33:39,470
All right, all those in favor signify by saying aye.

1665
02:33:40,030 --> 02:33:40,270
Aye.

1666
02:33:41,850 --> 02:33:42,370
Aye.

1667
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:44,710
All right, motion passes unanimously.

1668
02:33:45,290 --> 02:33:45,650
Thank you.

1669
02:33:46,690 --> 02:33:47,450
All right.

1670
02:33:48,250 --> 02:33:54,090
So that takes us back to adoption of this entire slate.

1671
02:33:54,430 --> 02:33:55,430
Yes, Mayor Patelman.

1672
02:33:57,880 --> 02:33:59,240
Okay, this is my last last try.

1673
02:34:02,860 --> 02:34:06,520
So I just, I just don't want to ignore the mark.

1674
02:34:06,520 --> 02:34:11,240
and the organizations that, you know, do economic development that have reached out to us.

1675
02:34:11,420 --> 02:34:27,100
So, with that, I, I'll just say in my own words, I would like to amend that the night that we do have the minimum at 9200 square feet for a grocer.

1676
02:34:27,100 --> 02:34:39,020
And we would be considerate of breaking up to smaller food stores if there can be a

1677
02:34:39,020 --> 02:34:45,900
main sort of grocer with, I guess, the typical grocery items that are smaller.

1678
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:52,500
And that's your motion.

1679
02:34:52,740 --> 02:35:00,940
Okay, so I guess I want to check in is that specific enough to capture the intent?

1680
02:35:00,940 --> 02:35:01,700
I

1681
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:06,230
mean, seeing head nods from staff, we generally are

1682
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:08,190
in agreement that we understand what the motion is.

1683
02:35:08,610 --> 02:35:08,950
If it's made.

1684
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:11,820
Second.

1685
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:13,340
All right.

1686
02:35:13,540 --> 02:35:14,660
We have a motion in a second.

1687
02:35:14,980 --> 02:35:15,380
Uh, yes.

1688
02:35:15,560 --> 02:35:16,320
Council member Barrett.

1689
02:35:18,410 --> 02:35:21,150
I'd like to ask the staff what the motion was then.

1690
02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:29,090
I'll try since I put Jackson in this box.

1691
02:35:29,550 --> 02:35:29,970
All right.

1692
02:35:30,410 --> 02:35:35,370
What I heard was that you could subdivide the 9200 square feet.

1693
02:35:35,370 --> 02:35:45,890
If you have a main tenant that is a grocer, there's kind of a one-stop grocer, and you can still have some smaller tenants that do other things.

1694
02:35:46,910 --> 02:35:49,310
That's what I heard. That's what I heard as well.

1695
02:35:53,020 --> 02:35:55,180
Yes, thank you, Jay. Council member Madrown.

1696
02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:57,360
I'm also not going to support this one.

1697
02:35:58,140 --> 02:36:03,760
We set the 9200 square feet based on the data-driven recommendation from staff.

1698
02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:08,800
And at this point, I just kind of want to get on with it.

1699
02:36:12,540 --> 02:36:15,820
All right, we have a motion in a second on that.

1700
02:36:16,700 --> 02:36:18,960
Mayor Pro Tem, would you like to proceed on a vote?

1701
02:36:21,130 --> 02:36:22,470
Yeah, I like to do things all the way.

1702
02:36:22,770 --> 02:36:23,010
Okay.

1703
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:26,870
All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1704
02:36:27,470 --> 02:36:27,830
Aye.

1705
02:36:28,850 --> 02:36:29,330
Opposed?

1706
02:36:29,810 --> 02:36:30,110
No.

1707
02:36:30,910 --> 02:36:31,950
Okay, motion fails.

1708
02:36:33,170 --> 02:36:33,790
All right.

1709
02:36:33,790 --> 02:36:41,070
All right, so that takes us back to adoption of the whole thing which we made the original

1710
02:36:41,070 --> 02:36:48,130
motion for to move to approve the ordinance amending OMC chapter 18.05 related to urban

1711
02:36:48,130 --> 02:36:53,830
villages with all of the approved amendments signify by saying aye.

1712
02:36:55,950 --> 02:36:58,850
One moment looks like we have a question.

1713
02:36:58,850 --> 02:37:03,970
I would love to hear what I believe there's two that were approved.

1714
02:37:04,310 --> 02:37:04,510
Sorry.

1715
02:37:04,690 --> 02:37:05,490
Give us three.

1716
02:37:05,770 --> 02:37:06,890
So if you give me a quick recap.

1717
02:37:06,970 --> 02:37:07,310
Or two.

1718
02:37:07,570 --> 02:37:07,690
Two.

1719
02:37:08,210 --> 02:37:08,350
Sorry.

1720
02:37:09,890 --> 02:37:10,870
Jackson, you got it.

1721
02:37:11,690 --> 02:37:12,850
I'm going to rely on you.

1722
02:37:13,210 --> 02:37:13,870
Over there.

1723
02:37:14,130 --> 02:37:14,810
J, thank you.

1724
02:37:15,090 --> 02:37:15,330
Okay.

1725
02:37:15,730 --> 02:37:19,630
So the first one is and I need any of that sheetback that I gave to Susan.

1726
02:37:20,370 --> 02:37:21,110
Oh, sorry.

1727
02:37:21,530 --> 02:37:25,210
The first one is number one above on table.

1728
02:37:25,210 --> 02:37:29,470
the amendments a table 5.02 so that was the amendment was supported.

1729
02:37:30,130 --> 02:37:39,210
The second was the change to 50 feet for building height and the third, that's it, that's

1730
02:37:39,210 --> 02:37:39,470
the second.

1731
02:37:39,610 --> 02:37:40,070
That's the two.

1732
02:37:42,430 --> 02:37:42,670
Uh-huh.

1733
02:37:43,070 --> 02:37:43,510
Thank you.

1734
02:37:43,730 --> 02:37:43,970
Okay.

1735
02:37:44,410 --> 02:37:45,790
So we're going to return to that vote.

1736
02:37:46,030 --> 02:37:53,230
So all those in favor of the motion to amend OMC chapter 18.05 related to urban villages

1737
02:37:53,230 --> 02:37:56,170
with all of the approved amendments by by saying aye.

1738
02:37:56,170 --> 02:38:00,830
Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. I'm posed. Motion passes.

1739
02:38:01,610 --> 02:38:03,610
Thank you very much. Thank you.

1740
02:38:05,290 --> 02:38:12,310
Jackson, you are a trooper. Yeah, I wish I could walk away, but I have another presentation again.

1741
02:38:13,150 --> 02:38:13,570
Oh, anywhere.

1742
02:38:16,670 --> 02:38:26,150
Yeah. Alright. So, next item on our agenda is item 6B, which is the approval of a resolution authorizing an agreed.

1743
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:29,790
agreement to terminate the Briggs Urban Village Development Agreement.

1744
02:38:30,510 --> 02:38:34,410
And we have Jackson Ewing, our Senior Planner, presenting on this item as well.

1745
02:38:35,710 --> 02:38:36,370
Thank you, Mayor Payne.

1746
02:38:36,530 --> 02:38:39,650
I'll hopefully keep this one a little shorter than the last presentation.

1747
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:48,730
So the item today is regarding the Briggs Urban Village Development Agreement termination.

1748
02:38:49,890 --> 02:38:54,650
And my name is Jackson Ewing, and I'm a Senior Planner here with Community Planning and

1749
02:38:54,650 --> 02:38:59,890
economic development. And we're talking about Briggs Urban Village. I won't go

1750
02:38:59,890 --> 02:39:06,450
through the stats but we'll get us cited here. The development agreement, what's

1751
02:39:06,450 --> 02:39:11,670
important about it. The applicant has requested to terminate this

1752
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:17,050
development agreement associated with Briggs Village. And the key points of this

1753
02:39:17,050 --> 02:39:22,210
are that the agreement occurred before the adoption of the Briggs Village. The

1754
02:39:22,210 --> 02:39:30,430
agreement caps the number of residential units at 810, including 80 years. And that other

1755
02:39:30,430 --> 02:39:35,430
elements of the agreement created the zoning, or created zoning standards and the city

1756
02:39:35,430 --> 02:39:43,950
has since adopted a zoning, zoning code chapter four urban villages and the AMC, which you

1757
02:39:43,950 --> 02:39:46,710
just voted to amend during your last action.

1758
02:39:48,670 --> 02:39:54,190
The benefits of terminating this agreement, it would allow an increase in housing density

1759
02:39:54,190 --> 02:39:56,850
to support the commercial space, including a grocer.

1760
02:39:57,490 --> 02:40:04,290
It supports furthering residential development in the village, including accessory dwelling

1761
02:40:04,290 --> 02:40:04,830
units.

1762
02:40:05,050 --> 02:40:10,150
Currently, if someone came in and wanted to permit an accessory dwelling unit in a subdivision

1763
02:40:10,150 --> 02:40:16,590
that's part of Briggs master plan, they would not be able to, based on the current agreement

1764
02:40:16,590 --> 02:40:23,050
It supports development where infrastructure is in place furthering our climate goals.

1765
02:40:25,230 --> 02:40:32,250
City Council has basically two options today either to approve, to terminate the development

1766
02:40:32,250 --> 02:40:34,710
agreement or retaining the development agreement.

1767
02:40:36,730 --> 02:40:43,210
I didn't have this in the slide, but if it would take both parties wanting to renegotiate

1768
02:40:43,210 --> 02:40:46,390
to come up with something new.

1769
02:40:47,270 --> 02:40:49,010
And so just as a note,

1770
02:40:49,270 --> 02:40:51,070
terminating the agreement is necessary

1771
02:40:51,070 --> 02:40:53,470
for the applicant to increase the number

1772
02:40:53,470 --> 02:40:56,590
of residential dwelling units provided

1773
02:40:56,590 --> 02:40:58,170
by the requested code amendments

1774
02:40:58,170 --> 02:41:00,410
that you just heard.

1775
02:41:02,450 --> 02:41:05,990
And I will stop there and open it up for any questions.

1776
02:41:06,210 --> 02:41:09,070
I can go back to probably the third slide

1777
02:41:09,070 --> 02:41:10,570
if you'd like to see that again.

1778
02:41:15,000 --> 02:41:15,360
Thank you.

1779
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:20,920
Council Member Gilman, followed by Council Member Vanderpoul.

1780
02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:29,140
Jackson, I just want to check my understanding. I think they're sort of an affirmative argument

1781
02:41:29,140 --> 02:41:36,740
for terminating this agreement that many of the items that were described in this agreement

1782
02:41:36,740 --> 02:41:43,980
are now incorporated into our urban village chapter within our codes so that we don't require

1783
02:41:43,980 --> 02:41:45,280
a separate agreement here.

1784
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:52,300
That is correct. The agreement took place in a time where those codes were being developed and

1785
02:41:52,300 --> 02:41:57,800
there was a partner in the community that was interested in going down that path.

1786
02:41:58,860 --> 02:42:05,320
So this is the development agreement. We still have the master agreement that we discussed in

1787
02:42:05,320 --> 02:42:10,740
the previous item. The master agreements intact, this development agreement would essentially be folded

1788
02:42:10,740 --> 02:42:14,220
it into the urban village zoning codes.

1789
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:17,140
And that's correct.

1790
02:42:17,580 --> 02:42:21,240
The only thing that really staff was able to find applicable

1791
02:42:22,500 --> 02:42:26,420
from this agreement that's left over is the unit cap.

1792
02:42:26,780 --> 02:42:31,980
All of the other items that were spelled out in that have been either executed or

1793
02:42:32,600 --> 02:42:33,940
code has been adopted.

1794
02:42:34,580 --> 02:42:34,860
Thank you.

1795
02:42:34,900 --> 02:42:35,600
I have a premonition.

1796
02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:37,500
This won't go more quickly than the last item.

1797
02:42:37,500 --> 02:42:38,480
You

1798
02:42:43,340 --> 02:42:46,820
said in a great, you mentioned briefly that after this there will be an agreement

1799
02:42:46,820 --> 02:42:51,660
with amongst both parties. Could you just generally for the public quickly express what

1800
02:42:51,660 --> 02:42:54,960
that is after this, after this?

1801
02:42:55,260 --> 02:43:01,640
I apologize for that confusion. I meant to say that amending this development agreement

1802
02:43:01,640 --> 02:43:08,300
when I was going over council's options, that amending it would not be an option unless both

1803
02:43:08,300 --> 02:43:12,640
both the applicant and city council were agreeable to the terms.

1804
02:43:13,020 --> 02:43:13,820
Thank you.

1805
02:43:18,140 --> 02:43:19,900
All right, I see council member Barrett.

1806
02:43:20,040 --> 02:43:21,760
Yeah, I just had a question.

1807
02:43:24,060 --> 02:43:28,420
Supporting development where infrastructures in place are further in climate goals.

1808
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:32,500
That could be a thousand different things.

1809
02:43:32,800 --> 02:43:35,020
Could you flesh that out a little bit?

1810
02:43:36,040 --> 02:43:38,040
Yeah, thank you for that question.

1811
02:43:38,260 --> 02:43:42,160
That's kind of a high level one, but I'm prepared to answer that tonight.

1812
02:43:42,340 --> 02:44:09,940
We look at cities like Olympia as the takers of density were mandated by the Growth Management Act to protect rural areas within counties and natural resource areas and that a city that has sewer and water and infrastructure in the streets are already there.

1813
02:44:09,940 --> 02:44:16,800
Those are prime opportunities to support our housing and climate goals because we are not

1814
02:44:17,700 --> 02:44:27,480
say supporting a new large lot subdivision of five acre parcels out in a forest land area.

1815
02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:29,040
That's my best example.

1816
02:44:36,050 --> 02:44:36,750
Council Member Madron.

1817
02:44:38,450 --> 02:44:43,850
I do go ahead and just make a motion here. I move to approve a resolution authorizing an agreement

1818
02:44:43,850 --> 02:44:46,690
to terminate the Briggs Urban Village Development Agreement.

1819
02:44:47,050 --> 02:44:47,410
Second.

1820
02:44:48,310 --> 02:44:48,630
All right.

1821
02:44:48,830 --> 02:44:49,870
We have a motion in a second.

1822
02:44:50,050 --> 02:44:51,110
Is there any further discussion?

1823
02:44:52,730 --> 02:44:53,630
Council Member Mendron.

1824
02:44:54,030 --> 02:44:57,110
Just want to quickly again thank Jackson and team.

1825
02:44:57,330 --> 02:44:59,970
This has been a significant amount of work to get it this far.

1826
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:19,420
I know you're not done yet, but just want to offer my gratitude. Thank you. All right, thank you. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? All right, motion passes. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for now.

1827
02:45:25,940 --> 02:45:32,660
Sure. Anyone else need a little bit of a break. So let's go ahead and take a five minute recess.

1828
02:45:32,660 --> 02:45:33,440
us. All

1829
02:55:34,360 --> 02:56:03,560
right, we're going to come on back. Just want to thank the council for that robust discussion on our last two agenda items. And I also want to thank the council members who it did quite a bit of engagement with many of the community members in previous months on that particular issue. I know that there were a few of us that met with folks in that area. So thank you for doing that and bringing representing those voices back here at council. Thank you. All right. So we're going to move on.

1830
02:56:03,560 --> 02:56:08,520
on to agenda item 6c, which is the approval of an ordinance amending Olympia municipal

1831
02:56:08,520 --> 02:56:16,600
code chapter 5.80 on unfair housing practices related to diverse family structures. And

1832
02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:22,340
this presentation I believe will roll right into our next agenda item, which is 6d, which

1833
02:56:22,340 --> 02:56:28,540
is the approval of an ordinance enacting Olympia municipal code chapter 7.01, the Olympia

1834
02:56:28,540 --> 02:56:35,760
code against discrimination. So we will present and but we will act on these two items separately,

1835
02:56:35,800 --> 02:56:40,400
even though they will be presented together. So now I'm going to turn it over to City Manager

1836
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:45,660
J. Bernie. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council members, for the record, J. Bernie City Manager. In front

1837
02:56:45,660 --> 02:56:50,080
of you, this evening for your consideration are two ordinance updates that address the request

1838
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:55,660
outline in the referral around diverse family structures. As the mayor said, I'm going to take

1839
02:56:55,660 --> 02:56:58,260
on 6C and 60 is just one presentation.

1840
02:56:58,260 --> 02:56:59,660
I'm going to serve them both up to you.

1841
02:56:59,940 --> 02:57:02,320
There will be two separate motions at the end.

1842
02:57:04,830 --> 02:57:06,630
Just looking back at the referral,

1843
02:57:07,030 --> 02:57:08,910
the diverse family structures referral was introduced

1844
02:57:08,910 --> 02:57:10,210
by Council Member Vanderpul

1845
02:57:10,210 --> 02:57:11,970
at the January 13th council meeting,

1846
02:57:12,510 --> 02:57:14,110
supported by Mayor Payne and Pro Tem,

1847
02:57:14,310 --> 02:57:17,050
when passed by the full council to explore the issue.

1848
02:57:17,770 --> 02:57:20,390
The problems outlined in the referral included

1849
02:57:21,060 --> 02:57:23,190
diverse families face systemic barriers

1850
02:57:23,190 --> 02:57:26,450
in housing, healthcare, education, and services.

1851
02:57:27,150 --> 02:57:29,990
The diverse family definition is around single parent,

1852
02:57:30,190 --> 02:57:33,690
multigenerational blended, chosen, non-monogamous structures,

1853
02:57:33,990 --> 02:57:34,530
family structures.

1854
02:57:35,170 --> 02:57:38,290
The existing policies often assume dual income or nuclear households

1855
02:57:38,290 --> 02:57:39,510
creating inequities.

1856
02:57:40,530 --> 02:57:44,010
The request of a proposal was to add family relationship structure

1857
02:57:44,010 --> 02:57:47,630
as a protected category in city code to cover multi-parent,

1858
02:57:48,090 --> 02:57:51,350
blended, multigenerational, chosen, non-monogamous,

1859
02:57:51,350 --> 02:57:56,550
and single parent by choice households, and that you ask the city attorney to draft this

1860
02:57:56,550 --> 02:57:58,010
based on the model legislation.

1861
02:58:00,110 --> 02:58:06,530
In terms of equity, excuse me, and that enforcement be done through civil action, and that in

1862
02:58:06,530 --> 02:58:12,790
terms of an equity impact, this work supports inclusion, reduces discrimination, affirms non-traditional

1863
02:58:12,790 --> 02:58:17,670
families in our community, and it also advances Olympia's sanctuary city and civil rights commitments.

1864
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:25,120
So, in looking at the referral, the city attorney is proposing adding a new OMC chapter

1865
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:28,820
and amending another to address the items requested in the referral.

1866
02:58:29,560 --> 02:58:33,800
The new OMC proposed is Olympian Municipal Code, chapter 7.01.

1867
02:58:34,540 --> 02:58:39,300
This new chapter would establish comprehensive protections against unlawful discrimination

1868
02:58:39,300 --> 02:58:41,720
in Olympia, closing any gaps.

1869
02:58:42,220 --> 02:58:46,540
It is a comprehensive policy declaration of the city of Olympia against discrimination.

1870
02:58:46,540 --> 02:58:54,340
and it also expands protections and coverage to discrimination that includes familiar status and family relationship structures.

1871
02:58:54,900 --> 02:59:02,280
And one thing I want to point out here, we have some late breaking news, a late breaking email, that as we drafted this ordinate 7.01,

1872
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:10,940
we added family and relationship structures, families with children and familial status in 7.01.01.0,

1873
02:59:10,940 --> 02:59:17,380
but we also needed to add it in the same definition in 0.040, and it's just a drafting mistake.

1874
02:59:17,940 --> 02:59:26,240
So I'm going to ask you tonight if you support this to make your motion as amended to update 7.040,

1875
02:59:26,360 --> 02:59:28,960
and we'll make sure we make that change when it comes back to you on second reading.

1876
02:59:29,720 --> 02:59:30,900
So that's what's in front of you there.

1877
02:59:33,690 --> 02:59:39,630
Also is proposed as an amendment to Olympianist of Code Chapter 5.80 on for our housing practice.

1878
02:59:39,630 --> 02:59:44,970
This amendment specifically adds protections for traditional and non-traditional family structures and

1879
02:59:44,970 --> 02:59:49,050
Concentral relationship structures. It also adds new and clarified definitions

1880
02:59:49,050 --> 02:59:56,090
And as I mentioned both the new OMC and the amended OMC provide civil enforcement revenues for any violations

1881
02:59:56,090 --> 02:59:59,790
Which means the city is not the enforcement mechanism for

1882
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,680
Complaints against the ordinance. This provides a civil remedy for folks in court.

1883
03:00:08,410 --> 03:00:32,010
Staff believes that approval of both the new OMC and the amended OMC meet the intent of what was requested in the referral and provide the required protections. With that, having to take any questions or approval of the two motions on the screen, I would just add, I think you have a much shorter motion on your motion sheet in front of you. If you want to make that motion, rather than want it's here, I just ask if you make the motion around OMC chapters.

1884
03:00:32,010 --> 03:00:35,630
or 7.01 you make it as amended to 0.040.

1885
03:00:38,810 --> 03:00:39,530
That's it for me.

1886
03:00:40,290 --> 03:00:41,730
Thank you, City Manager Bernie.

1887
03:00:42,930 --> 03:00:46,990
Can you say that chapter one more time, point 0?

1888
03:00:47,450 --> 03:00:52,790
Chapter 7.01, making amendment to section 0.040

1889
03:00:53,170 --> 03:00:58,470
to match the definitions that are included in 7.01.010.

1890
03:01:01,800 --> 03:01:02,120
Okay.

1891
03:01:03,860 --> 03:01:05,600
It's late, as amended.

1892
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:06,460
Okay.

1893
03:01:10,480 --> 03:01:18,140
Yes. All right. So I'm going to turn it over to the prime sponsor of the referral

1894
03:01:18,140 --> 03:01:25,020
that brought forward our first item on this topic, Council Member Vanderpool.

1895
03:01:25,460 --> 03:01:31,340
I'm just going to speak to both, because that's the intent. You know, I had written something

1896
03:01:31,340 --> 03:01:35,720
down, but then I also wrote a little bit more afterwards because of folks who came and commented

1897
03:01:35,720 --> 03:01:42,380
because the folks in the community, you're the reason for this change, it's your lived experience,

1898
03:01:42,680 --> 03:01:54,600
it's you coming to us and expressing your concerns, your experiences that you feel that you've had

1899
03:01:54,600 --> 03:02:00,240
in the community of discrimination, because I may not always experience it, but I want to listen to

1900
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:06,280
what folks in the community are living through and be there for you because this policy is because

1901
03:02:06,280 --> 03:02:10,620
folks came to us and I think that I want to express that. I got thanked for this and we got

1902
03:02:10,620 --> 03:02:14,120
thanked for this but it's ultimately because folks in the community are willing to come forward

1903
03:02:14,120 --> 03:02:19,760
and talk with us about this. That makes it makes the real difference. I'm going to speak a little

1904
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:25,220
bit to the history and a little bit where this comes from and that will hopefully have a motion.

1905
03:02:25,220 --> 03:02:31,180
So, over a year ago, we had folks in the community reach out and ask the council to create

1906
03:02:31,180 --> 03:02:37,500
a sanctuary city status for LGBTQIA2S plus folks in the community.

1907
03:02:37,760 --> 03:02:41,880
Since then, we've had an opportunity to talk with folks who are experiencing discrimination

1908
03:02:42,440 --> 03:02:44,440
or identify as part of this community.

1909
03:02:44,980 --> 03:02:49,380
Out of those conversations came an idea of strengthening our sanctuary city status with

1910
03:02:49,380 --> 03:02:51,180
city code through civil protections.

1911
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:57,080
Several groups talked, I've talked about, talked with, on the concept of civil protection

1912
03:02:57,080 --> 03:03:02,840
related to family structures, specifically diverse family structures, including chosen,

1913
03:03:03,080 --> 03:03:07,000
nominog and a splendid, multi-generational, single parent, and polyamory.

1914
03:03:07,760 --> 03:03:14,460
With the help of the folks that open, and the local DSA group, Socialist, Feminist, Queer,

1915
03:03:14,620 --> 03:03:19,600
Working Group, and many individuals who I've spoken with, who experience stomach and

1916
03:03:19,600 --> 03:03:25,000
culture just discrimination each and every day were able to create a referral with the intent

1917
03:03:25,000 --> 03:03:31,780
of creating more civil protections. Proving that government can help folks when the federal

1918
03:03:31,780 --> 03:03:37,180
government is acting to harm civil liberties is very important that local, county, city,

1919
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:41,360
county, states continue to push for more protections.

1920
03:03:42,840 --> 03:03:46,640
I would lastly want to reflect on some feedback that I've had from some folks in the community

1921
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:48,680
and we not understand why we're doing this.

1922
03:03:49,560 --> 03:03:51,560
I had some folks tell me,

1923
03:03:51,900 --> 03:03:53,540
they'd rather have me focus on housing

1924
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or transportation policies.

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That is something that doesn't solve

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the real, the traditional role of local government.

1927
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My answer is yes and then some.

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Housing affordability, social housing,

1929
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public transportation, street safety, urbanism,

1930
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affordability crisis, and for working class folks,

1931
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or all the issues that I fight for and I push for, there are things that are dear to my heart,

1932
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but so are the people in our community. I have a responsibility to protections whether it be

1933
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civil or bicycle infrastructure, because ultimately we want to have a community where people feel

1934
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accepted and loved and welcomed. And so this is just, I'm very proud of this work. I'm proud of my

1935
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Council mates were supporting me on this and I'm proud of my community for coming and asking for these protections.

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Thank you.

1937
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Thank you.

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Council Member Vanderpool.

1939
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Any additional comments?

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Mayor Pro Temwen.

1941
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Yeah, I think Council Member Vanderpool covered it well.

1942
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I just want to lift up really your last word of protections.

1943
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A lot of times when folks, well, I suppose this is not going to sound good, but a lot

1944
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of times when folks, I hear about council mates wanting to pass something or see something

1945
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that says we're welcoming to so-and-so, not necessarily diverse family structures, just

1946
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in general, like the LGBT plus sanctuary city. To me, I was a no on that unless it had specific

1947
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things that we would do, unless it had something that people can hold on to and it had teeth to it.

1948
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And so when this came across, I was the same way I was like, well, are we just saying, you know,

1949
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is it a symbolic thing or is it going to be something that holds weight, right? Is there really

1950
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going to be a protection there. And so I think that probably the folks that are coming to advocate

1951
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for it, know enough about it. But I think it is a big deal to not just pass a proclamation

1952
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or say a statement to say that you care about ex-types of community members and you're broadly

1953
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welcoming, but to actually go and do things like this and to change code, that is something

1954
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to get behind because unfortunately, not to be downer, but unfortunately folks that want

1955
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to judge or want to discriminate, probably are going to do it anyway to some extent.

1956
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And so to have a protection was really something that was really important to me was important

1957
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to us so I just wanted to lift that up.

1958
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Thank you Mayor Prattam. Additional comments?

1959
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Thank you Council Member Vanderpool for bringing this forward. I was happy to

1960
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sign on to this as a as a co-sponsor specifically because you know I'm all for the expansion of

1961
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rights and civil liberties. And as an openly gay man, I can think about all the times when

1962
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people said that, you know, anything that states or local governments were doing in

1963
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the space of trying to legitimize those relationships was something that was we should not be doing.

1964
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And that was due to a lot of fear about the change in not understanding same-sex relationships

1965
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right now we see that happening with the transgender community, people do not

1966
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understand and so we see a lot of frankly brutal and archaic proposals coming

1967
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forward to weaponize specifically our transgender community members and so

1968
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for me this is recognizing the fact that people who are in different kinds of

1969
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families already live in our community, already have come forward, but some are not. And so I do want

1970
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to just point out the fact that we are talking about diverse family structures as a big umbrella.

1971
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Polyamory and non-monogamy is a part of that who certainly face the utmost discrimination in the

1972
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context of talking about diverse family structures. But I do also just want to point out that it is an

1973
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umbrella intentionally. And if you think about what we're doing here, there are not many people who

1974
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actually are part of a traditional family in the sense that your parents are married, not divorced,

1975
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all the children are from the same, and on and on all the way back. You will find that that is not

1976
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very many of us. Most of us do have some sort of non-traditional structure to our families.

1977
03:09:17,470 --> 03:09:33,130
And so what we're doing here tonight actually impacts people that you probably know, and it also affects people that are hiding as we just heard earlier or not coming out about who they truly are.

1978
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And so the chances are you have those people in your life too and they already live here.

1979
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And so I couldn't be more proud to be part of this body that's taking this action.

1980
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I do believe this would mean that we're the first city in our state to do this, similar

1981
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to what we did with LGBTQI2S plus sanctuary city resolution that we passed.

1982
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So it would be a similar thing here.

1983
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And so I'm certainly supportive of our efforts to do this tonight.

1984
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And then also, I do want to mention something that I noticed, sorry, I forgot that I had written

1985
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this down in my notes in my staff report packet on item 6D on the code against discrimination.

1986
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And the reason I wanted this is because the first item 6C addresses unfair housing practices

1987
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and that's extremely, extremely limited.

1988
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We want to, we want to outlaw discrimination across the board.

1989
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So it's important to have a discrimination code.

1990
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And so in the first section here of 7.01.010, which is what I believe you mentioned earlier referred to as the declaration of policy, it says the equal opportunity to all persons residing in the city of Olympia.

1991
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I'm wondering if we could have something to the effect of all persons residing and or employed or visiting in the city of Olympia.

1992
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is

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that okay it's a little technical change but I think it got it needs to be there okay all right

1994
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so I'm getting head nods on that and so other than that I just think everybody for for being

1995
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supportive of this action and ready to take this historic vote when you all are

1996
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counts remember

1997
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random will you have the motion yeah thank you I would like to move to approve an ordinance

1998
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Mending Olympia, Municipal Code, Chapter 5.8, unfair housing practices related to diverse

1999
03:11:48,120 --> 03:11:48,780
film structures.

2000
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Second. All those in favor? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion

2001
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passes unanimously.

2002
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Okay, and we have the next motion item 6D, and that is coming from Mayor

2003
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pro-time win.

2004
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I move to prove on first reading and for to second reading and ordinance enacting

2005
03:12:27,370 --> 03:12:39,610
new Olympia Municipal Code chapter 7.01 and 7.01 0.04. No you're good you can just say 7.01

2006
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as amended and we got you.

2007
03:12:43,660 --> 03:12:47,840
Let's do it again. I move to prove on first reading and for to second

2008
03:12:47,840 --> 03:12:54,040
reading and ordinance enacting new Olympia municipal code chapter 7.01 as amended

2009
03:12:54,880 --> 03:13:03,040
Olympia code against discrimination. Second all right just really quickly the important thing

2010
03:13:03,040 --> 03:13:09,360
on this item as well is that it also codifies all of the other protected areas where discrimination

2011
03:13:09,360 --> 03:13:14,680
has forbidden according to state law and then we're also adding this additional category as well

2012
03:13:14,680 --> 03:13:20,600
for diverse family structures and relationships, so that's important because this action actually

2013
03:13:21,540 --> 03:13:25,960
caused us to have a whole discrimination code and to codify what's already protected by

2014
03:13:25,960 --> 03:13:31,200
state law as well. So, yes, Council Member Rainerport. I want to thank staff for

2015
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thinking to work on this, the thinking about doing a whole new chapter in the city code, and that's

2016
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I think this is important for what it does for folks in our community, but it's also important because

2017
03:13:43,380 --> 03:13:49,060
it could be added on to, right? This is a place where in the future of Social Justice and Equity

2018
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Commission or any folks want to add onto this and add more freedoms, rights, civil liberties,

2019
03:13:54,900 --> 03:13:59,240
however you want to say it, onto what we have in the code. It can be put in there and I think that

2020
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that's valuable. And I just want to give some gratitude to the City Attorney on that one

2021
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for helping us get there. Thank you, Mark. Yes, thank you.

2022
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All right, we have a motion in a second, all those in favor signify by saying aye.

2023
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Aye.

2024
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Opposed?

2025
03:14:18,980 --> 03:14:20,320
Motion passes unanimously.

2026
03:14:28,510 --> 03:14:31,470
Thank you so much, City Manager Bernie and staff.

2027
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Again, our legal department, you are killing it as we say tonight.

2028
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So thank you for all of your work.

2029
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And I want to thank all of our community members who came out in support of this.

2030
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your presence is certainly important.

2031
03:14:50,750 --> 03:14:52,090
I know people were sort of questioning,

2032
03:14:52,310 --> 03:14:54,750
like is this something that people are actually asking for,

2033
03:14:55,010 --> 03:14:56,490
or where's this coming from?

2034
03:14:56,710 --> 03:14:59,290
And so your presence is actually very important,

2035
03:14:59,310 --> 03:14:59,910
and I hope.

2036
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It's a win for you and yours tonight, and it's a pleasure to see you. So congratulations.

2037
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All right, so that concludes our business items for tonight, and we're going to move on and return to our public comment section that we had our quite extensive list earlier. So there isn't a timer on this one, except you do have two minutes for your comments, but we're not going to cap it. Our business is done, so we will keep moving through our list until we're complete.

2038
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So mayor Proton. All right, so we'll start with in-person public comment and see if there is any remaining public commenters.

2039
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So start with Isaac Wagnitz.

2040
03:15:47,980 --> 03:15:50,420
Okay, moving on to Lynn Welton,

2041
03:15:56,660 --> 03:15:59,220
moving on to Liberty Evans Agnew,

2042
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Nova Stewart.

2043
03:16:09,150 --> 03:16:09,950
Hi.

2044
03:16:18,020 --> 03:16:26,700
I came to speak about the flat cameras. I wanted to start by saying that I was really impressed

2045
03:16:26,700 --> 03:16:34,980
and happy about how quickly the City Council moved to get the contracts suspended last year.

2046
03:16:35,940 --> 03:16:45,500
And I just wanted to emphasize a few points. One is that I would really hope that we don't have

2047
03:16:45,500 --> 03:16:52,700
any intention of replacing flock with another ALPR vendor. I think that, like, ALPRs in general

2048
03:16:52,700 --> 03:17:00,280
are a technology that we shouldn't really be moving into. And I would also encourage

2049
03:17:00,280 --> 03:17:07,540
three councils to consider banning or regulating private deployment of flock and other ALPR vendors.

2050
03:17:08,420 --> 03:17:14,200
Even though we don't have public flock cameras, there are still private deployments of them at, like,

2051
03:17:14,200 --> 03:17:21,600
Home Depot and grocery stores and things like that and finally I think considering

2052
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:28,060
regulation of ring cameras and other automated facial recognition systems

2053
03:17:28,060 --> 03:17:35,310
that are in use would be good so thank you. Thank you and thank you for your

2054
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patients. Moving on to Tracy Hartman,

2055
03:17:47,250 --> 03:17:49,310
David Webb, the mic is yours.

2056
03:17:53,540 --> 03:17:54,640
David Webb,

2057
03:17:57,000 --> 03:18:11,800
I do want to address that when a crowd shows up, they just want to believe you'll do the right thing, but historically public pressure seems to be the only way good things have happened.

2058
03:18:12,620 --> 03:18:23,660
I do say seams because that is how it seems, and I understand that may not be how it seems from your guys is you, but that crowd is outside because they feel like if they're not there, you won't do the right thing.

2059
03:18:25,360 --> 03:18:29,220
If you're an fascist, which you do seem to be, you don't need to be so defensive.

2060
03:18:30,340 --> 03:18:34,100
I see that you're trying to ensure Olympia protects its people and on the right side

2061
03:18:34,100 --> 03:18:35,580
of history, and I do appreciate it.

2062
03:18:36,240 --> 03:18:40,420
So thank you very, very, very much for recognizing non-traditional relationships.

2063
03:18:41,160 --> 03:18:44,140
I am a polyamorous man, and the way you handle this matter is great.

2064
03:18:44,720 --> 03:18:47,660
I wish this party handled more like it without the double speak.

2065
03:18:48,900 --> 03:18:50,160
Thank you, too, Mr. Manager.

2066
03:18:50,580 --> 03:18:51,880
I appreciate how this was put together.

2067
03:18:53,320 --> 03:18:56,420
Notably, this does seem to be one of the indicators of a progressive city.

2068
03:18:56,680 --> 03:19:00,320
I'm proud of some reveal Massachusetts, where I'm from, not some reveal, but Massachusetts.

2069
03:19:01,120 --> 03:19:04,040
And this is a reason to be proud of Olympia.

2070
03:19:04,820 --> 03:19:06,800
That being said, this police department is not.

2071
03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:10,720
Sure, maybe it's less oppressive than to come what were spoken.

2072
03:19:11,400 --> 03:19:14,140
But if your goal is less oppressive, you're still on the wrong side of history.

2073
03:19:15,080 --> 03:19:19,080
I'm talking about this because I was an unlawfully arrested December 9th.

2074
03:19:19,080 --> 03:19:23,660
And then a few days later, only an hour after first talking about that experience at the

2075
03:19:23,660 --> 03:19:28,240
stand to this body, threatened with arrest for constitutionally protected speech by the

2076
03:19:28,240 --> 03:19:33,580
OPD. I recognize that a city manager needs to support his departments, but it seems there's

2077
03:19:33,580 --> 03:19:39,440
a glaring lack of accountability here. Olympia has an independent auditor, but all they appear to do

2078
03:19:39,440 --> 03:19:45,100
is make sure that OPD followed their policies and procedures. There is no part of any investigation

2079
03:19:45,100 --> 03:19:56,500
As far as I can tell, that questions whether or not the police's policies and procedures are systematically harmful and should be changed simply, even if simply if those policies were followed.

2080
03:19:57,680 --> 03:20:06,620
The city contracting with the OIG group is so the city can pretend to have a semblance of oversight instead of actual accountability for its departments ongoing harm.

2081
03:20:07,420 --> 03:20:19,660
I had had to just ask Chief Parker if there was an outstanding probable cause for me, and I don't even know what that really means, but because I was arrested without a lawful process being completed, I have no reason to know if I can be arrested at any time walking down the street going forward.

2082
03:20:20,420 --> 03:20:23,780
Obviously, this is harmful, it's anxiety inducing, and kind of scared.

2083
03:20:24,680 --> 03:20:32,480
I'm certain I'm not the only one this has happened to, because when people do shit like this to me, they typically are doing it much, much, much, much more to people who aren't white men.

2084
03:20:32,720 --> 03:20:33,440
Thank you, David.

2085
03:20:33,440 --> 03:20:37,340
I hope this city can hold its police accountable. Thank you. Thank you.

2086
03:20:40,440 --> 03:20:41,960
And thank you for your patience.

2087
03:20:46,530 --> 03:20:49,550
Jeff Thomas, you seem to have an advocate on council here.

2088
03:20:52,190 --> 03:20:53,570
Hi, go ahead.

2089
03:20:54,610 --> 03:20:55,890
Thanks for hanging out.

2090
03:20:57,530 --> 03:21:04,730
Council members, my name is Jeff Thomas. I come here to share with you what I believe to be the bottom line on surveillance.

2091
03:21:04,730 --> 03:21:10,790
violence, and policing as well. I believe that we should, there is no safe way to outsource

2092
03:21:10,790 --> 03:21:16,090
policing and surveillance to private corporations. And we can look at this informed by history,

2093
03:21:16,670 --> 03:21:23,290
going back to 1893 when they outlawed the government hiring the pinker pins. And there

2094
03:21:23,290 --> 03:21:26,990
is a lot of actually the same issues being discussed that we might consider today.

2095
03:21:28,110 --> 03:21:32,750
The foundations of why privatized policing and surveillance are not outsourced is well

2096
03:21:32,750 --> 03:21:39,990
established and but today we have new threats and outsourcing surveillance to venture capital

2097
03:21:39,990 --> 03:21:46,090
back startups replicates old dangers. It removes public oversight, creates a paywall for public

2098
03:21:46,090 --> 03:21:54,390
data, replaces democratic accountability with corporate interests. In this new era that we live in,

2099
03:21:54,570 --> 03:21:59,530
we have threats that we should be thinking about. I'm particularly afraid of election fraud

2100
03:21:59,530 --> 03:22:06,030
in tampering. I know that's held handled by the county, but the county is thinking about having

2101
03:22:06,910 --> 03:22:11,750
cameras that the public will not know where they are. As somebody who's showing up tonight,

2102
03:22:12,850 --> 03:22:16,930
if I understand it right, I'm considered to be by the federal government a domestic terrorist.

2103
03:22:17,610 --> 03:22:22,690
I don't take that lightly. That Trump said that people affiliated with the deflocked motion

2104
03:22:22,690 --> 03:22:28,370
movement are domestic terrorists, and that scares me to think that there might end up being

2105
03:22:28,370 --> 03:22:34,250
cameras at election sites that are live streaming my images.

2106
03:22:34,890 --> 03:22:39,550
So I don't say, Mayor Payne, I know that you're working closely with Commissioner

2107
03:22:39,550 --> 03:22:44,910
Mejia, and she is pushing an ordinance with the county to look into surveillance systems.

2108
03:22:45,130 --> 03:22:51,390
And so I hope that the county can swiftly ask an ordinance that blocks any corporate surveillance.

2109
03:22:51,650 --> 03:22:55,630
Especially if it's being done anything of involving your elections.

2110
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Thank you.

2111
03:22:57,030 --> 03:23:10,150
Thank you. And for Jeff or others that are hoping to get a response from council, once we go through all the public comments, then there could be an opportunity for responses.

2112
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Thanks for standing by. Next we have VL Huntington Bradley.

2113
03:23:25,500 --> 03:23:30,480
Oh, wonderful. Thanks for being patient tonight and you can begin when you're ready.

2114
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:43,140
Hello. I'm here. Well, first of all, I would like to say, speaking favor of the anti-ice

2115
03:23:43,140 --> 03:23:50,980
resolutions and reiterate what someone said earlier that pressuring Congress to like

2116
03:23:51,840 --> 03:24:01,020
restructure, DHS is not enough. It is extremely reasonable to advocate for the abolition of

2117
03:24:01,020 --> 03:24:09,340
Department of Homeland Security and ICE, that's a department that has only existed since 2003.

2118
03:24:09,540 --> 03:24:15,220
It's younger than probably most of us in this room, it's, yeah.

2119
03:24:16,660 --> 03:24:21,000
And also to applaud the pro-polyamory resolutions.

2120
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And also I'm here to speak out against AI surveillance as many others are.

2121
03:24:29,420 --> 03:24:36,840
It's good that the city has terminated the contract with ICE and will not be renewing it,

2122
03:24:36,880 --> 03:24:44,140
but I think that Olympia residents also should have a right to absolutely know that we're

2123
03:24:44,140 --> 03:24:51,680
not being surveilled and are images being sent to the cloud by private businesses in Olympia as well.

2124
03:24:51,960 --> 03:24:58,900
I think it is reasonable to consider legislation against AI-powered surveillance

2125
03:24:58,900 --> 03:25:11,020
in general in Olympia as well as data being sent to the cloud and retained. Thank you.

2126
03:25:11,140 --> 03:25:12,080
Thank you.

2127
03:25:15,740 --> 03:25:17,740
Terry Ballard. Did you know it was your turn?

2128
03:25:20,030 --> 03:25:22,350
Oh, it's your turn. Yes.

2129
03:25:23,650 --> 03:25:30,390
Yeah, I was trying to connect with you just now. Oh, we're not supposed to have a back and forth. That's right, Mayor. Go ahead.

2130
03:25:33,360 --> 03:25:42,400
Hi, my name is Terry Ballard. I own property, which is on the list. I'm not going to list it in Olympia in 2017.

2131
03:25:43,080 --> 03:25:52,840
I bought that property for an investment. Also in 2017, I had a wetland specialist go out and say it was in a wetland.

2132
03:25:54,260 --> 03:26:08,840
In February of 2018, I found out why it was at land is because the city of Olympia through its piping system was dumping sediment and storm water without an easement onto my property.

2133
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:15,240
You are the genera of the waste and you are responsible for the cleanup of my property.

2134
03:26:17,140 --> 03:26:24,840
In the geomaping system, I had it removed, that's, I had it removed from the geomaping system

2135
03:26:24,840 --> 03:26:32,100
and I had it removed from the assessors printout, which were faulty and they were all blaming

2136
03:26:32,100 --> 03:26:33,180
each other at that time.

2137
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:40,840
The sediment and erosion is going to the lowest point of the property in the kettle.

2138
03:26:41,800 --> 03:26:50,060
It's collected in a sediment and the soil is so absorbent there that the sediment is

2139
03:26:50,060 --> 03:26:59,720
causing the land, the water to collect and it doesn't filter into the soil as it should

2140
03:26:59,720 --> 03:27:00,080
be.

2141
03:27:02,780 --> 03:27:06,140
As far as last month, I did a spill report.

2142
03:27:07,000 --> 03:27:09,820
I've offered the city many times by this property.

2143
03:27:11,320 --> 03:27:16,960
You can develop it to five to eight residents per acre or lots per acre.

2144
03:27:17,500 --> 03:27:18,720
That's what it can be developed in.

2145
03:27:19,140 --> 03:27:23,120
I did a pre-submission. I can only develop 24 lots out of it.

2146
03:27:23,520 --> 03:27:28,740
Each lot by a developer is worth 50K a lot.

2147
03:27:29,400 --> 03:27:30,600
I already know the price of it.

2148
03:27:30,600 --> 03:27:36,060
And as far as the generator waste and storm water and

2149
03:27:36,060 --> 03:27:42,340
fiddling with it, what you have a sediment and erosion people to help clean up

2150
03:27:42,340 --> 03:27:47,860
these properties, but you haven't. And what I did was I contacted the

2151
03:27:47,860 --> 03:27:53,160
Department of Ecology. So they do the sediment and clean up because storm water

2152
03:27:53,160 --> 03:27:59,600
is not your utility. Storm water was given to the EPA. EPA gave it to

2153
03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:05,780
Department of Ecology and you have it on a five year permit from the from Ecology.

2154
03:28:05,880 --> 03:28:06,540
Thank you Terry.

2155
03:28:06,980 --> 03:28:16,760
Okay, so you can talk to me, I'm talkable, but I'm just tired of paying $3,000 a year for taxes for this property.

2156
03:28:17,530 --> 03:28:17,980
Thank you.

2157
03:28:18,300 --> 03:28:19,140
Thank you.

2158
03:28:20,830 --> 03:28:24,690
All right, looking at staff moving to online now.

2159
03:28:24,690 --> 03:28:32,430
if there are any online folks still standing by, at first I see Chris Wickham,

2160
03:28:34,610 --> 03:28:35,730
okay. Craig

2161
03:28:35,730 --> 03:28:36,210
Burley?

2162
03:28:40,170 --> 03:28:41,610
Chris, no really, yes?

2163
03:28:44,690 --> 03:28:45,210
Wonderful.

2164
03:28:47,710 --> 03:28:50,430
And we'll just give Chris a moment to get online.

2165
03:28:52,760 --> 03:28:59,400
Okay, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you so much for standing by. Of course. First of all,

2166
03:28:59,400 --> 03:29:03,480
I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your efforts. You've done some really important work

2167
03:29:03,480 --> 03:29:10,420
tonight. I appreciate that. And given the outcome of the conversation about the Briggs Village

2168
03:29:11,000 --> 03:29:15,260
grocery store, it feels a little awkward, but there's still important things to be said here.

2169
03:29:16,260 --> 03:29:22,060
I'm a member of the Briggs Community, and here to explain why you should reject 40-gills proposal

2170
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,980
It comes from Gill's market study which contains major errors such as failing to count more than 500 residents already living in Briggs Village and ignoring the 1,000 plus future residents in the 600 units Gill wants to add. But even with those mistakes, the study itself actually calculated a supportable grocery size 11,000 square feet. It then dismissed that number by claiming that there were no prototypes.

2171
03:30:29,980 --> 03:30:31,260
type stores of that size.

2172
03:30:32,060 --> 03:30:34,000
But that contradicts the study itself,

2173
03:30:34,220 --> 03:30:37,180
which cites three examples around 1,100 square feet

2174
03:30:37,180 --> 03:30:40,060
in University Place, Gig Harbor, and Spokane.

2175
03:30:40,460 --> 03:30:41,760
And we can name four more.

2176
03:30:42,040 --> 03:30:44,160
H&L Produce and Lakewood at 900

2177
03:30:44,160 --> 03:30:46,700
to coma boys and to coma and to allop,

2178
03:30:46,800 --> 03:30:51,860
at 11,000, in the plan to 10,000 square foot,

2179
03:30:51,940 --> 03:30:52,940
Olympia food co-op.

2180
03:30:53,680 --> 03:30:57,660
Second, dividing the 9,200 square feet

2181
03:30:57,660 --> 03:31:02,260
into small specialty shops will not provide the anchor grocery and urban village needs.

2182
03:31:02,800 --> 03:31:08,000
Under Jill's amendment, the requirement would be met with things like a wine bar that sells

2183
03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:13,240
bottles, a cookie shop, vinegar store, or a mini-mart. Jill justifies this model by comparing

2184
03:31:13,240 --> 03:31:19,300
Briggs Village to Whistler Village, a ski resort, a tourist town. But we are a neighborhood that needs a

2185
03:31:19,300 --> 03:31:23,820
store where families can find a broad affordable selection of groceries for real meals,

2186
03:31:23,820 --> 03:31:29,780
not a cluster of boutique shops geared toward tourist grabbing snacks. Thank you.

2187
03:31:30,700 --> 03:31:31,780
Thank you.

2188
03:31:33,950 --> 03:31:45,120
Next, we have LaHella Peterson, Maria Ruth, and finally David Merchant.

2189
03:31:49,370 --> 03:31:56,370
I'm still here. Yes, thank you all for sticking around. I'm a resident of Briggs Village and I would

2190
03:31:56,370 --> 03:32:01,070
signed on to everything that's been said by the commentators. I would also really like to thank

2191
03:32:01,790 --> 03:32:05,750
the council members who met with us and discussed our concern.

2192
03:32:07,590 --> 03:32:12,050
As was just mentioned it's a little awkward to talk about what's already done but in many ways

2193
03:32:12,050 --> 03:32:18,090
it's perfectly fine because my concern is actually more future oriented. Is that the developer

2194
03:32:18,890 --> 03:32:25,950
will build out residential units and structure the process to minimize or delay the actual building

2195
03:32:25,950 --> 03:32:33,070
out of commercial. And in looking at this, I'd ask you all a rhetorical question, which is

2196
03:32:33,070 --> 03:32:38,210
more consistent with the evidence you've seen, A, that the developer has been actively trying

2197
03:32:38,210 --> 03:32:44,030
to build out according to the plan, and just can't do it despite his best efforts, or B,

2198
03:32:44,430 --> 03:32:49,790
the developer sees more profit in residential, has the funds to hold on to the property,

2199
03:32:50,270 --> 03:32:55,770
and has created the conditioning he now complains about, and is using that to get changes in the

2200
03:32:55,770 --> 03:33:02,450
plan. It's been more than a year into this process. And we have seen zero evidence of any marketing.

2201
03:33:04,150 --> 03:33:11,990
There's been the market study. I won't go into the math as much. But I will, I was kind of

2202
03:33:11,990 --> 03:33:17,710
curious. Anybody reading this says this is kind of is not right. They didn't talk to the businesses,

2203
03:33:17,710 --> 03:33:22,890
didn't talk to the people. And I wondered about CAI. So I looked them up, very rapid people company.

2204
03:33:23,890 --> 03:33:26,010
And they've been hired by the city of Bellevue.

2205
03:33:26,130 --> 03:33:28,100
They did a retail study for the city of Bellevue

2206
03:33:28,410 --> 03:33:31,070
and a different one for one of the neighborhoods in Bellevue.

2207
03:33:31,250 --> 03:33:35,290
And everything that's missing in the market study

2208
03:33:35,290 --> 03:33:37,330
that was given to the city of Olympia

2209
03:33:37,330 --> 03:33:39,850
is present in the city of Bellevue study.

2210
03:33:40,990 --> 03:33:43,710
The biggest part of it is interviewing residents

2211
03:33:43,710 --> 03:33:46,450
and the people who are going to use the retail markets.

2212
03:33:48,010 --> 03:33:49,590
I know I'm running out of time,

2213
03:33:49,590 --> 03:33:51,150
but I would suggest you look at that

2214
03:33:51,150 --> 03:33:57,410
and does do not give it any credence to that market study. Now here's the worry and I'll be

2215
03:33:57,410 --> 03:34:03,170
I'll wrap it up fairly quickly. Based on the numbers that were provided earlier, there's 44,000

2216
03:34:03,170 --> 03:34:08,790
square feet of commercial that needs to be built out in addition to the store. That's basically

2217
03:34:08,790 --> 03:34:15,610
three of the humble cow buildings. I am very worried that the developer will structure the project

2218
03:34:15,610 --> 03:34:24,530
So that those will be done last and might not ever be done at all because clearly the developer is focused on a residential building.

2219
03:34:24,970 --> 03:34:29,070
So as we move forward in this process, if you

2220
03:34:32,820 --> 03:34:34,840
can still hear me, I really appreciate.

2221
03:34:35,320 --> 03:34:40,020
We really appreciate you hanging on and sharing your thoughts at this.

2222
03:34:40,180 --> 03:34:45,320
I did let it go a little over two minutes because you've hung on so long.

2223
03:34:45,320 --> 03:34:54,140
So, I think on Zoom, it comes across much more abrupt since you're moved out instead

2224
03:34:54,140 --> 03:34:59,160
of sort of, if you're in person, then we would say thank you and let you wrap up and

2225
03:34:59,160 --> 03:35:00,020
kind of walk away.

2226
03:35:00,240 --> 03:35:02,160
So, I hope you won't take any offense to that.

2227
03:35:03,380 --> 03:35:05,280
We are listening to what you're saying, though.

2228
03:35:05,980 --> 03:35:09,340
With that, that concludes public comment and we'll turn it back to the mayor.

2229
03:35:10,460 --> 03:35:11,720
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

2230
03:35:11,720 --> 03:35:20,460
them. So are there any responses from Council on public comment? All right. Council member

2231
03:35:20,460 --> 03:35:20,700
Green.

2232
03:35:21,880 --> 03:35:28,960
Mine will be quick. I just want to, you know, as the flocc refresher comes around, I just

2233
03:35:28,960 --> 03:35:33,320
want to give credit where credit is due and just remind folks that City Council did not

2234
03:35:33,320 --> 03:35:39,480
take any action on flocc. It was a recommendation from Interim Chief Parker, leadership of OPD

2235
03:35:39,480 --> 03:35:43,100
that was approved by the city manager. So I just want to kind of come back to that was as

2236
03:35:43,100 --> 03:35:48,320
much as we were there and ask questions and had conversations that was ultimately the recommendation

2237
03:35:48,320 --> 03:35:54,760
of OPD that we had those cameras removed and we were new in the contract. So I just want to give

2238
03:35:54,760 --> 03:35:56,900
a lot of credit to that leadership team for that.

2239
03:35:59,710 --> 03:36:02,210
Yeah, important clarification, thank you.

2240
03:36:02,710 --> 03:36:03,690
Mayor Pro Temwen.

2241
03:36:07,840 --> 03:36:13,500
Yeah, I just wanted to thank the public commenters that are still here. I had

2242
03:36:13,500 --> 03:36:20,880
some, for both, well, I guess all of the topics covered tonight, but I had some new learnings

2243
03:36:21,500 --> 03:36:32,520
and sort of curiosities from Jeff and Nova. Something that each one of you said

2244
03:36:32,520 --> 03:36:39,440
stuck out to me, and so Nova, you were talking about also, you know, when you had kind of digressed

2245
03:36:39,440 --> 03:36:44,100
from flock and you're talking about just like private or commercial surveillance and then

2246
03:36:44,100 --> 03:36:51,720
also thought of like regulating ring cameras perhaps or cameras like that basically like home cameras.

2247
03:36:52,420 --> 03:37:01,760
So it's just something that I'm chewing on. So I thank you for that. And then likewise with Jeff,

2248
03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:13,240
Yes, it's interesting that surveillance election, yeah, I won't say that I necessarily

2249
03:37:13,240 --> 03:37:19,460
have an opinion now, although I am also worried about tampering of elections and I'm also

2250
03:37:19,460 --> 03:37:26,960
worrying about, you know, tampering of getting video footage and then what might happen with

2251
03:37:26,960 --> 03:37:33,540
that, right? And so it is, yeah, it's a really interesting thing, I'll say. And I think

2252
03:37:33,540 --> 03:37:38,800
that you are actually right to come to us a while. We are not the Auditor's Office

2253
03:37:38,800 --> 03:37:46,420
or Thurson County Commission. We do work with them and interact with them quite a bit.

2254
03:37:46,540 --> 03:37:53,860
I mean, this last election, but the presidential election, we actually had some briefings with

2255
03:37:53,860 --> 03:38:01,020
them about just about election tampering, right? And it is something that we've talked about,

2256
03:38:01,280 --> 03:38:05,920
you know, when we all the elected sort of know each other, right? Doesn't necessarily mean we all like

2257
03:38:05,920 --> 03:38:12,580
each other. But so it is something that I'll bring up in conversation and trying to learn more about

2258
03:38:12,580 --> 03:38:20,160
that. So I just thank you for for bringing that that learning to me tonight. And then also folks

2259
03:38:20,160 --> 03:38:22,860
that are online for breaks can still hear me.

2260
03:38:25,780 --> 03:38:31,080
I appreciate you sticking on and hanging out in the awkward space.

2261
03:38:32,320 --> 03:38:36,520
I recognize that it could be awkward, but you still had some things to share.

2262
03:38:36,820 --> 03:38:38,420
And I appreciate that.

2263
03:38:40,500 --> 03:38:43,700
I also want to say that for what it's worth,

2264
03:38:44,100 --> 03:38:49,580
there's colleagues here that have done a lot more work on the breaks village

2265
03:38:49,580 --> 03:39:06,520
and I have myself I think about colleagues that were on the land use and environment committee when you know that sort of that makeup of land use and environment when they were going through the proposed amendments and also some folks that did get outreach.

2266
03:39:06,520 --> 03:39:18,320
And so I just think that we got here tonight for what it's worth because of that continued community care and bringing your issues to us.

2267
03:39:18,320 --> 03:39:25,660
So while the amendments that we're leaving with tonight, folks might not have gotten

2268
03:39:25,660 --> 03:39:30,400
everything that they wanted, I think that we wouldn't have gotten here if it wasn't

2269
03:39:30,400 --> 03:39:33,080
for that continued engagement, so thank you.

2270
03:39:36,100 --> 03:39:40,660
Terry on yours, I'll leave you out, Terry, I see you've been sitting there and you've been

2271
03:39:41,280 --> 03:39:47,480
joining us every so often at City Council Meeting, so all I can say is that I will follow

2272
03:39:47,480 --> 03:39:49,860
up with my colleagues and with staff.

2273
03:39:51,440 --> 03:39:52,260
Thank you.

2274
03:39:55,120 --> 03:39:55,800
All right.

2275
03:39:56,060 --> 03:39:56,880
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

2276
03:39:57,740 --> 03:40:03,500
There's no other comments, actually I do have a comment for Jeff.

2277
03:40:04,400 --> 03:40:12,920
I will consult, I'll have a conversation with Commissioner Mejia on the county's surveillance

2278
03:40:12,920 --> 03:40:18,740
policy and see the work that they're doing there and learn more, so thank you.

2279
03:40:18,740 --> 03:40:27,120
All right, so if there's no further response to public comment, we're going to move on to council reports.

2280
03:40:29,040 --> 03:40:34,980
So just a quick mayor's report, let's try to not take 40 minutes like we talked about.

2281
03:40:36,560 --> 03:40:48,100
Okay, so attended the opioid abatement council meetings where we are in the process of having each of the jurisdictions sign the ILA

2282
03:40:48,100 --> 03:40:55,000
so that we can get, which will allow us to then start to form an RFP process so that

2283
03:40:55,000 --> 03:41:00,140
we can start getting dollars out of the door to fund organizations that are doing the

2284
03:41:00,140 --> 03:41:06,900
work of helping us respond to our drug crises. Eventually, this money will run dry, but

2285
03:41:07,440 --> 03:41:12,120
my understanding is that the opioid abate and council will have work through 2038.

2286
03:41:12,920 --> 03:41:24,620
So, I did have a background briefing with Council Member Gilman as well on and learned

2287
03:41:24,620 --> 03:41:32,460
a little bit more because we are the new members assigned to the council and so we learned

2288
03:41:32,460 --> 03:41:38,940
more about the one Washington memorandum of understanding which specifies how we're

2289
03:41:38,940 --> 03:41:41,640
allowed to spend the opioid resettlement funds.

2290
03:41:42,400 --> 03:41:45,780
And we also learned that our county is one of the co-chairs

2291
03:41:45,780 --> 03:41:49,480
of the state opioid abatement and overdose response plan,

2292
03:41:49,480 --> 03:41:52,340
or what's called SOARP, and we're actually

2293
03:41:52,340 --> 03:41:55,080
the only local government to be part of that,

2294
03:41:55,840 --> 03:41:59,020
helping develop a response plan for our state.

2295
03:41:59,220 --> 03:42:00,840
So that was great information to learn.

2296
03:42:01,820 --> 03:42:04,760
I also enjoyed my visit to Franklin Street

2297
03:42:04,760 --> 03:42:14,360
harm reduction site. They had come to us a few weeks ago and we expressed some concerns about

2298
03:42:14,360 --> 03:42:20,480
some of the activity we were seeing around the space downtown and they have since been very

2299
03:42:20,480 --> 03:42:26,380
responsive to some of those concerns and so we were able to visit and by the time I even got

2300
03:42:26,380 --> 03:42:30,740
there for that visit they had already taken action on a few things that we were concerned about.

2301
03:42:31,280 --> 03:42:36,800
things like loitering, they've added additional lighting to the space and things like that.

2302
03:42:37,020 --> 03:42:42,340
So I'm very pleased to see that and we'll continue engaging with them on Good Neighbor Policies,

2303
03:42:42,400 --> 03:42:44,200
but I appreciate the work that they're doing.

2304
03:42:45,000 --> 03:42:51,680
And lastly, I just want to say I had an incredible time at the Lunar New Year celebration with Mayor Pro Tem win

2305
03:42:52,360 --> 03:42:54,520
at the Lean Hoa Buddhist Temple.

2306
03:42:55,000 --> 03:42:59,780
And I hope I said that appropriately, but it was an incredible honor to be there.

2307
03:42:59,780 --> 03:43:05,240
there was so many people there were at least 300 people and it was a huge celebration and

2308
03:43:05,240 --> 03:43:08,400
they were very pleased to have us there and I was pleased to be there.

2309
03:43:08,680 --> 03:43:13,620
So thank you for the invitation and I look forward to joining you.

2310
03:43:15,020 --> 03:43:17,680
And with that, I'll start to my left with Council Member Barrett.

2311
03:43:20,380 --> 03:43:20,700
Thank you.

2312
03:43:20,820 --> 03:43:21,880
I'm going to keep it very short.

2313
03:43:22,680 --> 03:43:31,040
I do things I attended, I attended the EMS-1 briefing and there's talk of having a

2314
03:43:31,040 --> 03:43:39,920
levy lid lift in August of 27. I just want to get that on people's radar. It hasn't been

2315
03:43:39,920 --> 03:43:49,120
finalized yet, but in our fiscal planning, it might be important. I also have attended the

2316
03:43:49,120 --> 03:43:59,560
Olympic Clean Air Agency, and there's probably a budget crunch going on because they're losing

2317
03:43:59,560 --> 03:44:07,280
a quite a bit of state, vodka funding, model toxic control act funding, and one of the places

2318
03:44:07,280 --> 03:44:13,920
where they're making up some of that funding is through a recommendation and increase

2319
03:44:13,920 --> 03:44:22,520
S-bestus inspection fees of houses by $50. So they go from like $47 to $100, actually $53.

2320
03:44:23,280 --> 03:44:27,960
We haven't voted on that yet, but that's something that will be coming along. And I would

2321
03:44:27,960 --> 03:44:28,720
just leave it at that.

2322
03:44:31,310 --> 03:44:37,770
Thank you. Questions, comments for Council Member Barrett? I don't suspect

2323
03:44:37,770 --> 03:44:43,390
it'll be any for anyone. Council Member Gray. Thank you Mayor Payne. I have nothing to report.

2324
03:44:44,230 --> 03:44:45,510
Thank you. Mayor Pro Temwen.

2325
03:44:49,810 --> 03:44:54,170
I just have some gratitude that I think it is important to say now.

2326
03:44:56,070 --> 03:44:57,450
in this space.

2327
03:45:00,860 --> 03:45:10,880
In this space, in prior years, I felt like this responsibility to bring things like the

2328
03:45:10,880 --> 03:45:16,720
Lunar New Year proclamation or any sort of recognition about it.

2329
03:45:18,800 --> 03:45:21,800
And there are years

2330
03:45:21,800 --> 03:45:23,920
where if I didn't bring it up, it would be missed.

2331
03:45:26,060 --> 03:45:30,740
And this past year, and to be clear,

2332
03:45:30,900 --> 03:45:39,780
I did start feeling away about that. Though this past year, we have assistant to the

2333
03:45:39,780 --> 03:45:46,000
City Council, Melissa McKee, that spent a lot of time working to intentionally draft it.

2334
03:45:46,000 --> 03:45:51,860
And, you know, checking, checking in, doing some research, checking in with me, thinking

2335
03:45:51,860 --> 03:45:57,020
about the language that it's not generic, but it's very specific to this lunar new year,

2336
03:45:57,140 --> 03:45:58,440
the year of the fire horse.

2337
03:46:00,600 --> 03:46:03,140
And it was something I appreciate very much.

2338
03:46:04,040 --> 03:46:12,840
I really appreciate colleagues going out, so I know Councilmember Gilman and Vanderpool went

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to the Olympia Area Chinese Association's Lunar New Year celebration. You had delivered

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the Proclamation Council Member Gilman and had stayed and I'm sure you made some funny jokes

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too and just and just were in community with with that group of folks and the Olympia Area Chinese

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association till this day exist to one preserve Chinese culture and traditions and to be in

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community with other Olympians to say hey we're part of your community too and come have fellowship

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with us. I mean that is why they exist and so I think that's it meant a lot to to many people. I'm

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my personal email, your photos, popping up. I'll share them with you, but popping up on their

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newsletter, they're so proud. If you go to their website, today, they have it on their homepage.

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That's it. You just have to go to their website. You will find a photo of yourself.

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They're so excited. And then I know Mayor Payne had just shared the other one about the Vietnamese

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Buddhist temple. There are other people there too, but it is a Vietnamese Buddhist temple. And

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And there was just a moment where I was totally overwhelmed in a good way in that space

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with other Vietnamese people and they handed me the mic and I blinked out and I started

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speaking English.

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It was very weird.

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And all's to say is I know that we all have a lot of places to be and we're at different

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events when we can.

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and I just felt like it was so great this year to have intentionality and be out in community.

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So, yeah, that's how I want to share in the report, so thank you so much.

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It means a lot to a lot of people.

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Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, and Happy Lunar New Year.

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All right.

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Questions or comments for the Mayor Pro Tem?

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Seeing none, Councilmember Gilner.

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I've had a busy couple weeks and we had an awesome finance committee last night, and I'm going to tell you about it next week.

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Thanks. Council Member Vanderpool.

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I'm going to keep it to two items and the rest I'll just email you.

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So, land use, matte last Tuesday, went through the interviews for the hearing examiner.

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On Thursday, we'll go over that, make a decision, and it'll come back to council just letting you know.

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So, you'll get a recommendation soon.

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The other one is, the reason why I'm not putting this in email because this is kind

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of an interesting.

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I've been continuing to hear from folks in the community that are very concerned and

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I've expressed to them it's a different system than ours, but I've had a lot of concerns

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about the library system from folks, about what's going on with the budget, what's going

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on with the employees, and the impact on the community.

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I want to bring this to our attention because although we are a separate entity, we are partners

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with them and this is something that I feel that we may need to either reach out as a city or

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talk with them about because I have some concerns about what's going on and I'm only hearing from

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the great vine about what's happening and I want to get some clarity on the future of because the

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downtown library is owned by the city, the properties owned by the city and there's future plans

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on stuff, and I'm a little nervous right now with the budget, and I'm nervous about

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what's going on over there, and so I just want to bring out the focus attention.