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That's what I mean.

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I heard that
heard.

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» How are you?
>> That's my team.

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» Hey, how you doing?

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Yeah, that's right.

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[laughter]

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» Somebody mine.
>> I had an ink.

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» I had somebody touch it.

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» Got to go. We got to start.
>> Ready.

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» Thank you. Ready?

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» No.

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Make sure my phone is on. Ringer on
to the Apple store.

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Does that not bother you? Right.
>> Okay. If it do, just let me know. That's

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all.

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Good evening. This is a conference
meeting of the municipal council of the

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city of Orange Township held at City
Hall, 29 North Day Street, Orange, New

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Jersey, on Tuesday, June 16th at 7:02
p.m.

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» Roll call. Councilman Coley,
>> present.

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» Councilwoman Een,
>> here.

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» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council
Vice President Mig.

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» Councilman Ross,
>> present. Councilwoman Sims Johnson is

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absent. Council President Wooten here.
>> Also, President Trisha Cypio, Chris

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Hartwh, business administrator. Derek
Brown, fire chief. Now, Clemens, fi CFO,

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Brian Mooney, police chief,
Aaron, Miss Rahee, deputy city attorney,

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and Marlon G. Town's legislative
research officer.

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We'll now observe a moment of silence.
Is there any council person who would

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like to dedicate this moment to
something or someone?

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» Yes,
>> I do too.

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» Okay. Moment of silence. I attended a
funeral today from Orange High um David

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Marshall
>> from Orange High School uh class of 19

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uh 77
and he had he had it today

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unfortunately. one of my friends
>> and also council president uh um a uh a

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friend church member of Bethle Baptist
Church long long serving member uh she

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turned 100 years old not too long ago uh
Miss Ruth Brown and we would like to

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include her in this moment of silence.
>> What's her name again?

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» Ruth Brown.
>> Thank you.

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» Yeah.
And also for me is Miss um Emma Gaskins,

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longtime resident in the city of
Orangetown. She big family. Um she lives

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in the East Ward. Um she passed
recently. Yeah. 400 open.

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» And to
Walter Pewight who was a graduate of

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Orange High and a
star in the community teaching all the

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young kids how to swim. and we next
meeting I hope we will have a

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proclamation available for him. I'm
waiting for his obituary.

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» Thank you
so much for those. David Marshall, class

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of 77 Orange High School. Uh Ruth Brown,
100 years old. Emma Gins, who passed

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away, Emma, and Walter Peanut Wright.
Let's have a moment of silence.

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Thank you all.
Please be apprised. Anyone wishing to

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discuss agenda or general items shall
sign their name on the comment signup

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sheet and will be allowed a maximum of 3
minutes to interact with council.

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Sunshine law. The requirements of NJSA
10 col4-9s

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sunshine law has been met. A notice of
this meeting was sent to the Star Ledger

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and published in the record transcript
on Thursday, July 10th, 2025, posted on

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the bulletin board in city hall and
council's website, the city's website,

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and filed in the office of the city
clerk.

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Matters for discussion, we have none. um
legislation. The resolutions and

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ordinances to be presented at tonight's
meeting are listed on the attached

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regular meeting agenda. If any council
member wishes to discuss any resolution

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or ordinance, it may be discussed at
this time. Before we um go on, I would

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like to let council members know to
check their desk. There are two

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amendments that I want to present to
you. The fair ordinance

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16-2026.

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If you go through there are strikeouts
and highlights for um for that

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ordinance.
Starting on the first page, you'll see

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the the word attached was removed twice.
on the third page and firefighting was

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deleted. Deputy police safety director,
chief of uh chief of chief of was

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removed. Emergency management was added.
Letter H was removed.

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Emergency management was added to J
by the direction of the mayor or

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business administrator was removed from
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Number nine was removed. And on the last
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um, the first line was removed. You you
should see all of the, uh, amendments

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inside on your desk. The second one is
ordinance 27.

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And on this
uh, the last page, it adds, you'll see

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the the additions added on the last page
for police chief, fire chief, and public

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safety director. Do all council members
see where the changes are, the

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amendments are?
>> Yes. Can I just make just one note to

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that?
>> Um, the fire director and police

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director should be stried out as well.
>> We have to do that in a separate

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ordinance after we abolish the position.
>> Okay. All right.

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Is there any
legislations that pieces of legislation

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that uh any council member would like to
discuss at this time?

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I have an amendment
for resolution 326 2026.

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And if you flip over to the second page,

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» the seventh recital.
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» 326.
>> 326.

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The seventh recital. It should read
Central Avenue and Carterette, please.

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Is that

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» Central Avenue and Carter instead of
Essex? Instead of Es

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» the seventh recital
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» You said 336 or 326?
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» Where was it?
number seventh recital down

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» on the second page.
And you see Central Avenue, we should

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say Central Avenue to to uh Carterette
instead of Essex.

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» Any other council members?

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» Anyone else?
>> That's it.

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» Sure. Okay. Can I have a motion to
adjurnn?

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» Motion to adjurnn.
>> Second.

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» Motion to adjurnn by councilwoman Tincy
Een. Second by council vice president

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Welen Mu the third. On the motion. All
those in favor vote by saying I.

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» Any opposed? We stand adjourn at 7:10
p.m.

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Okay.

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This is a regular meeting of the
municipal council of the city of Orange

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Township held at city hall 29 North D
Street, Orange, New Jersey on Tuesday,

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June 16th following the conference
meeting. Could we please all stand for

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the pledge of allegiance? Who would you
like to be led by? Council President,

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» Councilwoman Ty East, please.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> With liberty and justice for all.

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» Liberty and justice for all. She
>> Thank you, ma'am.

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Roll call. Councilman Coley,
>> present.

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» Councilwoman Een,
>> here. Councilwoman Hillbot is absent.

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Council Vice President Wel the third
>> present.

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» Councilwoman Ross here. Councilwoman
Summers Johnson is absent. Council

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President Wooten
>> here.

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» Also present is Trisha Cypio. Chris
Hartwark, business administrator. Derek

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Brown, fire chief. Now Clemens, CFO,
Brian Mooney, police chief,

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Aaron Ms. Rahee, deputy city attorney,
and Marlon G. Town's legislative

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research officer. The requirements of
NJSA 104-9 SSA Sunshine Law has been

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met. A notice of this meeting was sent
to the star ledger published in the

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record transcript on Thursday, July
10th, 2025, posted on the bulletin board

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at city hall, the the council's website,
the city's website, and filed in the

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office of the city clerk. First on the
agenda, approval of meeting minutes,

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June 3rd,
2026 conference meeting minutes. The

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councilwoman Summers Jasa was absent and
still absent today. So, uh, can I get a

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motion to approve? Motion
>> second Ross.

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» Motion by Councilman Mu the third.
Second by Councilman Ross. All those in

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favor vote by saying I.
>> I.

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» Any oppose? This has been approved.

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Uh June 3rd regular meeting minutes.
Is there a motion?

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» Motion. Coley.
>> Second. Monty.

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» Third.
Motion by Councilman Kohley, second by

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Councilman Vice President Montyu the
third. All those in favor vote by saying

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I. I.
>> Any opposed?

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» This has been approved. Um budget
hearing minutes for May 28th, 2026.

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Council member Ross was absent and
should abstain. Is there a motion?

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» Motion Coley.
>> Second E.

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» Motion by Councilman Kohley. Second by
Councilwoman Een. on the motion.

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Roll call. Councilman Coley,
>> yes.

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» Councilwoman Een,
>> yes.

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» Councilman Woman Hilbert is absent.
Councilman Muy the third,

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» yes.
>> Councilman Ross,

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» abstain.
>> Councilwoman Summer Champson is absent.

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And Council President Wooten,
>> yes.

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» That is four years, two absent, one
abstain. This is approved.

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June 11th, 2026 budget hearing minutes.
Councilman Ross was absent and should

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abstain. Is there a motion?
>> Motion Coley.

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» Second. Een.
>> Motion by Councilman Coley. Second by

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Councilwoman Een on the motion. Roll
call. Councilman Coley.

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» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Eston.

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» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hilbert is absent.

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Councilman Monu the third.
>> Yes.

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» Councilwoman Ross
>> abstain.

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» Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.
And Councilwoman Council President Wen.

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» Yes.
>> That's four ys. One abstain. Two

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absence. This has been approved.
Department revenue collections for the

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month of May 2026. The Department of
Community Services collected $18,483.

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Park and meters $11,73124.

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Department of Planning $60,461.
Department of Public Works $19,853.

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Citizen comments. Members of the public
wishing to address the council may do so

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during this portion of the meeting.
Speakers must sign their name on the

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comment comment signup sheet and
approach the microphone when called

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upon. To allow maximum public
involvement, each speaker is permitted

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one three-minute period to interact with
the council and must provide his or her

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name and street address prior to
beginning any remarks. Visual aids are

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not permitted. Speakers are reminded to
be courteous and mindful of other

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individuals. Each person has a right to
speak on any subject, but is responsible

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for the abuse of that right. The city
bears no liability for any comments made

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by the public and maintains discretion
to remove any person engaging in an

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obscene or disruptive conduct. The
council will consider all comments and

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questions and will respond if and when
appropriate, which may or may not be

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during this me meeting. Council
President

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Darnell Gibbs

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Good. Okay, cool. How's everybody doing?
>> Good.

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» Thanks. So, I'm going to talk about the
same thing I talked about last meeting

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on June 3rd, but I just want to bring
sign up real fast on I'm sorry, Darnell

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Gibbs, One Hope Drive.
Um on the June 3rd meeting it said that

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the
final reading for ordinance number

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23-2026
and 24-2026

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was on it was going to be July 1st. So
is that still happening? No. I just

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wanted to make sure I was right. So it's
being done today, right? [cough]

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» It was it was written on the agenda but
it was announced that it would be today.

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» Okay, cool. Okay. So for this developer
for 23-2026

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the last project that you guys approved
for them was ordinance number 66 20223

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from that ordinance built inside of all
these tax abatements. They say that they

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shall they should make a good faith
effort to hire qualified residents and

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then it states how to go about it. It
states that they will seek the

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assistance from human resources or the
great township of Orange to help

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facilitate this. So my question is with
this developer Vanta Development Group

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for their ordinance 66 2023 when was
their workshop and how many residents

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was hired if you know

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» they held a workshop. I don't know the
date and I don't have the numbers with

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me on who was hired. Okay, good enough.
So, I'll ask for it next meeting. So,

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you bring it.
>> I can get it to you before that.

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» Perfect. Sounds good. And then other
thing that I had, same question I had

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from last meeting. How do we go about
coming up with a number for these tax

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abatements? Like I said, last meeting,
I'll bring up the same exact thing this

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time. Ordinance number 23, 2026 is
building a 457 unit apartment building.

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To my understanding, none of these units
are low income. Correct.

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» That's correct. and they're getting a
23-year tax abatement. Ordinance number

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24-2026
is building 104 units, no low income

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housing units for that one, too.
Correct.

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And they're also receiving a 23-year tax
abatement. So, I'm just astonished on

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how a project that's offering 104 units
is getting the same tax abatement as a

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project that's offering 457 units.

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No, no answer.
>> I didn't know it was a question.

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» That was a question. I'm trying to
figure out the calculation or formula

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that is used.
>> Calculation is based on annual gross

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revenue and cost analysis. The cost
analysis on a 104 unit is less than a

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457 unit and the annual gross revenue is
greater.

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» The annual gross revenue is going to be
greater for the 104 unit.

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» 157 unit building. the annual gross
revenue is greater. So when you do the

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calculations of gross revenue versus
costs,

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» yes,
>> the actual number of years for the

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abatement can be very similar.
>> Even though we're going to get less

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money from the 104 unit than we're going
to do the 4,

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» it's going to cost less to build.
>> It's going to cost less to build. So

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they're going to still get the same tax
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» Correct. Okay.
>> Alicia Rodriguez.

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Um, Trisha, could you just move that
paper to my left, please? Thank you.

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Uh, Lisa Rodriguez, 487, Mountain View
A. Um, I would like to speak regarding

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several ordinances before you tonight
and ask for clarification on how these

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decisions are being justified. First,
regarding Ordinance 272026, Orange is

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approximately 2.2 2 square miles with
about 35,000 residents. The ordin

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ordinance ordinance references
municipalities such as East Orange,

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Irvington, Planefield, Atlantic City,
and Hillside. Many of these communities

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are significantly larger in population,
geographic size, and governmental

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demands. And some of them are not even
in Exus County. For example, East Orange

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has 70,000 residents, Arrington has
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Atlantic City is not even in our region.
My question is, who selected these

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municipalities, and what methodology was
used to justify these comparisons? If

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residents cannot challenge their
property taxes by pointing to a similar

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home in another municipality, why should
we elected salary? Why should we have

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salaries be justified um for places that
are nowhere near orange? Regarding

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ordinance 24 and 18206
concerns about the city's proposed

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$150,000 contribution towards
infrastructure um improvements connected

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to a private redevelopment project. If
the redeveloper is already obligated to

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complete project related improvements,
what specific infrastructure work is the

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city funding? What why was this
improvement requested by a developer or

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was it an existing city need? What
percentage of the overall project cost

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is being contributed to the by the
developer? And what is the city's

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expected return on the investment? Also,
2426 requires that the investor does

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improvements to the sidewalks, to the
roads. So, I'm confused why we're taking

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out $150,000 additional even though
they're responsible for these things

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already in the contract. I would also
appreciate clarification regarding the

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term substantial completion. Does that
mean the tax abatement period begins

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only after construction is completed? If
so, what taxes or revenues are being

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paid to the city during the
construction? Orange continues to

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approve new residential developments and
tax abatements based on the needs for

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additional housing. What data is being
used to support the need after nearly

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eight years of redevelopment activity?
Are these buildings reachable? Um, are

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these buildings reaching sustainable
occupancy levels? And what measures the

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city use to determine whether rents are
affordable or at least attainable for

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Orange residents? If many of these
projects don't include affordable

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housing, what public goal is being
achieved through these tax incentives?

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Um, do agendas and information have to
be available to the public prior to any

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public meeting, and if so, how long is
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Lastly, ordinance 1626. Why wasn't this
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And I'm a little bit confused. Are CPAs
being voted on tonight because they

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weren't on the agenda.

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» Those are my questions.
>> Are which one?

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» My last question.
>> Last question.

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» Are CBAs being voted on tonight? Because
I didn't see any on the agenda.

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» The community benefit agreements were
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» for first reading. Yeah.
>> No. Community benefit agreements are

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resolution. They only require one.
>> Got it.

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» I frankly couldn't keep up with all your
questions. So,

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» 30 minutes is not easy.
>> Um I caught a few of them. Uh with

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respect to
um ordinance 16,

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um
you asked why it wasn't available.

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» Yeah. Um to my knowledge it was posted
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» It was not okay.
>> Um with respect to

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um when we have to provide notice of the
agenda, it's supposed to be 48 hours in

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advance to the extent known
and it can be changed between that 48

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hours added to or subtracted from.

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» Yeah.
With respect to your other questions, if

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you send them to me, I'll answer them.

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» Jada Audri.

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» Good evening.
>> Good evening.

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» Good evening.
>> I'm Jada Arri. I'm actually from East

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Orange.
Um, this is more of an introduction. Um,

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I work as a economic development
strategist and I attended last c the

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last council meeting. I understand that
the orange residents want more

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responsible developers that benefit the
community and as the orange population

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is rapidly growing, we want to keep the
dollars within the community. So

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therefore, I would like for my firm to
work cohesively with UEZ and developers

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here to develop a vibrant business
landscape, create more community

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programming and opportunities for Orange
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Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Aman,

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» Gloria Boseman. I know um Dr. Dr.
Boseman will but when you approach the

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it's okay Dr. Boseman please make sure
that you're speaking loudly so that that

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the public can hear you. Thank you.
Before we we begin I have a question for

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some clarity in terms of when I can
speak to the ordinances and when I can

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speak to general comments because as I
see on this it appears as though you can

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speak to each one of the second reading
of the ordinances. Is that correct?

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That's correct.
>> So we're not there yet.

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» All right then. and I'm ready.
>> Okay. Good evening. Gloria Boseman, 345

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Orcott Street. Um, I come for several
reasons, but I'll start with this one

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since I'm going to talk to general
issues first. Every month, we watch this

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council approve redevelopment plans and
pilot agreements for multi-million

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dollar developers. Yet, the residents
living next to these projects have zero

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input on how the community development
funds or the benefits are assigned. The

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current process behind closed doors
leaves much of the public input out of

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the actual consideration in its
entirety. To fix this gap in

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transparency, I'm proposing to the
council a residentled Orange Community

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Redevelopment Advisory Board. This
independent board will not cost the

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taxpayers a dime. Instead, it will be
made up of uncompensated everyday

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residents from all wards, maybe local
businesses and other community

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advocates. Their sole job will be to
review the developer agreements. to hold

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independent public hearings to ensure
that the neighborhood improvement funds

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are assigned transparently via an
objective scoring system. We are tired

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of playing catch-up with these meetings
after developers deals are already

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finalized. We need an institutional seat
at the table before the contracts are

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signed. I'm asking for tonight for the
council members to give this

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consideration and to sponsor an
ordinance in forming this board. Give

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the people of Orange a real oversight of
the future of our neighborhoods and the

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development. This isn't about trust. I
trust all of you, but we'd appreciate

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some structural transparency if the
funds are going to be handled perfectly.

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The administration should welcome an
independent resident board to review,

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verify, and celebrate the success
publicly. So, I'm going to add I been to

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a meeting on this, but I don't remember
getting any feedback with regard to it.

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If I had my brothers, some of these
things that we might be able to consider

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would be modern uh weather turfs or all
weather turfs for our our public parks.

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I would consider resil resilient safety
surfacing. I would consider secondary

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playground spaces that are echofriendly.
I would consider sensory playgrounds

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that are available to our uh our our ch
I won't say challenge but those who fall

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on the sensory deficit continuum. I'd
also look for my sensory not sensory but

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my senior playground. I want to play. Um
I would also look for multi-generational

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hubs that sponsor career development.
that sponsor educational development

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that sponsor social activity and
community cohesiveness. I hope that you

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will consider this. Don't make me run.
Anyway, nevertheless, I thank you. I

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think my time is up for this. So, that
means that I will be able to come back

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on second second readings. Am I correct?
Thank you so much.

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» Thank you, Dr. Bose.
>> Anthony Burke. [applause]

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Good evening, Anthony Burke, 4 477
Hillside Avenue.

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Um, regarding
ordinance 16 uh 2026, the public

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regarding the public safety director on
position, the council previously voted

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against creating this public safety
director on separate occasions. What are

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the circumstances that have changed now
that justify creating this position?

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What specific operational need exist
that cannot be addressed by the current

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fire department and police department
leadership structure?

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What duties and responsibilities will be
assigned to the public safety director?

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What certifications are required for
this pos uh this position? What license

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are required for this position? What's
the minimum education and experience

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requirements required for this position?
Has the job description been finalized?

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If so, can we have a copy of it?
If yes, where was it advertised? On what

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date was it posted? How long will the
posting be remain open? And what's the

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applica? What's the application
deadline? What's the salary range, the

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benefits package, the total anticipated
annual cost of this position?

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And
was any study, staff analyst, uh,

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analyst, consultant report, or
efficiency review conducted to support

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the creation of this position? If so,
can you please provide some

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documentation for that? And last and not
least, regarding the conversation that

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came up, uh I don't remember what the
resolution was, but it's regarding the

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the monies for the Washington Street uh
fire station, the renov the renovation

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of it. Was there engineering,
architectural, or facilities assessment

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conducted to support the estimate
estimated renovation cost of

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approximately $1.8 million for the
firehouse located at 261 Washington

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Street?
If such study exists, who performed it

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and when was it completed? Can the
public review the report estimates or

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supporting documents used to arrive at
the $1.18 million figure?

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What specific repairs, upgrades, or
renovations are included in this

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renovation?

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» So, I'll address the firehouse issue
first. Um the responsibility for the

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engineering, architectural, and
construction drawings is with the

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developer. That's part of the
development agreement. [snorts] Um there

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has been a couple of contractors that
we've had walk through the facility to

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get a ballpark figure. We think it's
less than the $1.8 million, but we won't

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know that until we have actual
architectural drawings. Um it's early in

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the process. The building still has some
environmental remediation to do. Um the

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community benefit agreement requires
them to come with a conceptual rendering

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of an architect um within 6 months of
signing the agreement. Um and then

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within
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another 12 months they have to begin
construction once we accept the uh

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conceptual renderings and the budget for
the project.

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So a lot of the things that you're
asking for in terms of architectural

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engineering construction those are all
part of the agreement under the

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community benefits agreement.
So, how does that $1.8 million fall into

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that?
>> It was easy. We took the number of units

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and multiplied it by $4,000

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and made it similar to all of the other
community benefit agreements that we

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have from a cash perspective. We're just
applying the cash to a different

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project.
>> When you say units, I don't understand

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what you mean by units.
>> So, the community benefit agreement

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applied to 50 Maine. There are 457
living units at 50 Maine. We took the

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457 units, multiplied it by $4,000 per
unit, and came up with the $1.28

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million.
>> Okay.

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» Anything else regarding the public
safety director, please?

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» So, um I'm not aware of other uh
attempts to create a public safety

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director. Maybe it was before I was
here. Um there's been discussion of it,

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but there's been no ordinances uh
introduced as far as I can recall. Um

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but [snorts]
the the ordinance lays out that um

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whoever is considered for the position
has to have 10 years of law enforcement

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experience, a minimum of 10 years of law
enforcement experience.

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Um,
there is no job search or criteria

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because no one there's been no
advertisement. The position hasn't been

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created yet. Um, and it would be silly
to advertise or create a job description

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until the position is actually created.
>> I thought there was a ordinance that was

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already passed um
>> previously about the position.

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» The ordinance was introduced. this
ordinance was introduced. I don't

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believe there was ever an ordinance
passed. And in terms of the

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efficiencies, there are two titles on
the salary guide, the director of police

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and the director of fire. Those would
both be eliminated. The structure would

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be that the public safety director would
take charge of the budgeting and

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administration of those two departments
along with emergency services or

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emergency management.
um and would have the uh administrative

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support u of one person as opposed to
the current structure which has two

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director on paper two directors
um and four support staff.

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» Okay,
>> that's all the time I have.

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» Okay, thank you. Corum rhymes.

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» Good evening. Thank you, Council
President. Council members,

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» speak up a little bit for me there.
>> Sure.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Council President. Um,

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council members and other officials in
the city of Orange. Um, I come before

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you, um, just to recognize Councilwoman
Tensson East. I had the privilege of

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serving with her from 2000 to 2008 uh
which ended my term. During that time I

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and up to present able to witness u a
transformation that she has made into a

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leadership role um within the city, the
county and she's recognized um

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statewide.
I um also like to thank her for her

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support. Um, I'm involved with
organization called BDPA, which is Black

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Data Processing Associates, and she over
over the years has been able to

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recommend students to us, especially
when we're giving out the free laptops.

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Um, but it was just helpful um for her
guidance to to be there. So, just wanted

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to um bid her uh a
well do rest and thank her for her her

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service. Thank you.
>> Thank you,

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Bashier.

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Good evening. Good evening. Good
evening. How's everybody doing? Do I

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need a microphone? Am I good?
>> You're great. Thank you.

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» Giving honor to God to be here. Thank
God to see council president

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» Wooten
>> and

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so many of you I haven't seen in years.
Our great fire chief, Mr. Brown, my

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01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:36,960
police chief, Mr. Moody,
>> I'm so sorry,

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01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,679
» but would you do me with one favor
first? State your full name and your

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01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:44,080
address first.
>> Rashier McGran,

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01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,080
308 North Walnut Street, East Orange,
New Jersey.

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01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:50,960
» Thank you.
>> So, for over the past probably 30 years,

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01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:55,040
a lot of people would probably know I've
been working in the community of Orange

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:21:01,280
for years.
I'm here today because I want to

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01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:07,360
acknowledge someone who has been very
dear to my life,

439
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:13,120
very dear to my mentor program, and very
dear to all of the work that God has

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01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:18,239
allowed me to be in the center of.
>> Uh [clears throat] when I moved to

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01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:23,280
Orange in the early 2000s,
I opened up a barber shop called Boys to

442
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:28,719
Men Barber Shop.
When I opened that barber shop, I didn't

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01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:34,159
know anybody in Orange at the time.
I met Tensy Een.

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01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:40,560
We had a great conversation about work
she wanted to do in the North Ward.

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01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:46,719
I felt her spirit. I felt her desire. I
felt her passion.

446
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:51,120
She introduced me to her great family.
And she decided that I was going to be

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01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:56,639
somebody that she would support. So,
I've done a lot of work in the city of

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01:21:53,440 --> 01:22:03,760
Orange. And today, I'm here to honor
Tensy Een with a gift just to say thank

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:08,159
you for all of the work that you've done
in my life, for all of the things that

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01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:13,760
I've accomplished
over the past 25 years. If it wasn't for

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01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:17,840
you, I wouldn't have been standing here
uh acknowledging that. So, I'm just

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01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:24,440
going to ask briefly if everybody could
stand, if you don't mind.

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01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,440
and give a round of applause.

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01:22:26,616 --> 01:22:28,636
[applause]

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01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:38,080
And I would like to present I would like
to present this to Tency

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:43,280
and I'll read it. It says to
councilwoman and former council

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01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:48,880
president Teny Een, congratulations and
thank you for your years and decades of

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01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:53,840
outstanding service in the state of New
Jersey and the city of Orange. We are a

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01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:57,000
great community because of you and we
love you.

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01:22:57,402 --> 01:22:59,422
[applause]

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01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:08,520
And this is a card.

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01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:17,000
» Thank you guys very much.
>> God bless you all.

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01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,000
» God bless you.

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01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:27,199
» Yarro Wilman. I can't read the last
name.

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01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,840
» Sorry.
>> Oh, no problem.

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:34,560
» Yeah. Yara Wilman. Cole.
>> Say it one more time for me.

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01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:39,120
» Wilman Cole. Yeah. 1549 Vauxh Hall Road.
Um I am here to testify in support of

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01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:43,600
Councilwoman Hilbert's resolution to
urge the state to fully fund and expand

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01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:47,280
our child care assistance program. I
work as the workplace justice director

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01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:52,080
at New Jersey Citizen Action and we
convene a New Jersey uh child care for

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01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:56,239
all organizing table and collectively we
represent thousands of low and moderate

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01:23:54,159 --> 01:24:00,080
income workers including childare
workers across New Jersey and in Orange

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01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:04,000
who are impacted by the lack of
affordable quality child care. To give

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01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:08,000
you some brief background, some of you
may be aware, but the state budget

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01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:11,600
didn't adequately fund the child cap
child care assistance program known as

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01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,679
CCAP. And the program was frozen from
August till May. So that meant for nine

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01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:20,239
months, thousands of low-income families
were prevented from accessing this vital

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01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:25,360
support. Without child care, working
families and early child care educators,

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01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:29,679
child care centers are pushed to even
more precarious situations than they

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01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:34,080
were previously. My shirt says it all.
Our economy runs on child care and our

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01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:38,239
state must invest in it to make it more
affordable and accessible for all. More

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01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,639
than 40% of New Jerseyians are
struggling to make ends meet. One in

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01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:47,679
nine of our children live in poverty and
many families spend an average of 19% on

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01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:51,600
their monthly budget on child care.
Access to affordable child care is

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01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:55,120
critical not only as a key affordability
issue for our families, but also because

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01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:59,520
it's an important educational and
developmental support for growing

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01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:03,600
children's hearts and brains. A parent
who lives here in Orange was unable to

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01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:08,880
join us but wanted to share her story.
She loved her work as an early childhood

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01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:12,239
worker but not the pay. She managed to
get by and was looking into continuing

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01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:16,800
her studies and early childhood
development until she had her first

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01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:21,199
child. She knew child care was expensive
but she was unable to find a child care

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01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:26,000
spot that she could afford while she
continued to work in the field. And she

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01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:30,159
was unable to access CCAP because the
program was frozen from new applicants.

494
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:34,800
She was fortunate to be able to continue
to live with her family while she

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01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:38,320
figured out work and care, but um it
made it so that she was destabilizing

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01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:42,639
her financial security and her career
path. She would love to come share her

497
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:46,560
person her story in person and make sure
others understand that this is an issue

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01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:51,679
not a personal failure that they can't
get ahead but a structural and systemic

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01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:55,600
one that we can change. So we urge you
today to pass the resolution because the

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01:25:53,520 --> 01:26:00,239
city of Orange should stand with working
families, childare workers and children

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01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:05,520
to ensure that our state budget reflects
our values, pri prioritize child care

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01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:09,760
funding to put our families first, lower
cost and provide stability for child

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01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:14,880
care providers and strengthen our child
care system, which also helps employers

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01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:18,560
and our economy overall. So together, we
want to urge you to pass this resolution

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01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:21,840
so that we can build a more affordable
New Jersey. and we thank you so much for

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01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:25,880
giving us this opportunity here in
Orange.

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01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:25,880
» Thank you.

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01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:34,920
» I think the last name is Castellian.

509
01:26:35,519 --> 01:26:42,040
[clears throat]
>> What's the first name? Got to come to

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01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:42,040
the mic first.

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01:26:56,719 --> 01:27:04,480
I'm going to help to translate into
English. Um, so I don't know how you

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01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:08,480
want to go if she say the statements.
>> First, state the name and address first.

513
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,760
» Yeah, she said it already.
>> Okay. So, you translated in English.

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01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:21,400
Okay. To English. Her name is Ingri
Castong and she live in the 37572

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:21,400
Mechanic Street here in Orange.

516
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:43,920
Jersey. Okay, we are here in support of
resolution 329. And she say like um dear

517
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:48,080
or orange township council member, thank
you so much for the opportunity to share

518
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:52,159
my testimony around issues that affect
hund families in our community and

519
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,440
throughout the state of New Jersey.
>> Okay. When you speak, I need you to

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01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:59,320
speak louder into the mic. Okay. I'm
sorry. They texted me.

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01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:06,280
The laundry workers.

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01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:26,639
My name Okay. My name is Ingri Caston.
I'm a leading organizer of the

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01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:30,239
organization Laundry Workers Center. I'm
also an immigrant women from the

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01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:34,760
Salvador and resident of Orange for
seven years with my two teenagers.

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01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:48,159
Like many other families in Orange,
child care has always been a great

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01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:53,800
challenge. As a single mother, I didn't
understand why the cost is so high and

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01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,800
unaffordable.

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01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:12,760
When I arrive in Orange, I start working
as a kitchen assistant in a restaurant

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01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:12,760
where they only pay me $8 per hours.

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01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:34,239
I f I feel I I was being exploited. They
impose me more task on my in me than I

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01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:43,000
have to do and require me to complete
them in less time which was reflected in

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01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:43,000
my income since they pay me few hours.

533
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,520
However, I have to make full payment of
the pay of the person who take care of

534
01:29:53,440 --> 01:30:00,600
my children. I'm sorry, this is taking
longer. So, I don't know if you allowed

535
01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:00,600
her to finish.

536
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:07,040
» Because I have to translate. So,
>> and instead of her saying it, can you

537
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:12,000
just read it in English?
>> Okay. Or if you can allow us to make

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01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:15,679
copies and we give it to each one of the
>> We already provide copies

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01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:18,719
» in in this pamphlet, right? Okay. Yeah.
Okay.

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01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:22,800
» But can we finish the
>> um how much longer is that?

541
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:26,520
» Two paragraphs. One
>> two paragraphs. Okay.

542
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:42,000
This is how I have to make the sad
decision to leave my children alone,

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01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:45,960
sending them to a school and letting
them to return home unsupervises.

544
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:01,600
This situation was not only stressful
for me but also put the wellbeing and

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01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:05,080
safety of my children at risk. But I
have no choice.

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01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:36,000
My case is not unique to the p to um my
my case is not unique to the past. Hund

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01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:41,120
of families have to face the situation
right now. Now as an organizer I visit

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01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:44,800
laundry mat workers and it's a systemic
problem that I have seen in the industry

549
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:48,560
is that many workers have been bring
their children to the laundromats

550
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:53,840
because they cannot afford child care
and bad employers use this as exploit

551
01:31:51,199 --> 01:32:00,760
the workers do not pay minimum wage or
provide basic needs. We cannot continue

552
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:00,760
allow this type of abuse.

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01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,760
The New Jersey.

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01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:46,080
It is essential that all families
regarding the their economy situation

555
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:50,639
without distinction have access to free
child care. All children deserve to grow

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01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:55,120
in a safe loving environment. A mother
like me need support to be able to work

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01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:59,920
and care for our children at the same
time. That's why I'm part of the New

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01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:05,679
Jersey Care for all and I strongly
support change in our system. Free child

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01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:10,159
care is a right that should be available
for all families. I strongly urge the

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01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:15,280
city of Orange to approve this
resolution to continue and join the

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01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,679
other cities like Newark Precport and
many others.

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01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:22,199
» Okay. Thank you so much.
>> Gracias.

563
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,199
» Thank you. Thank you.

564
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:27,760
» Can I have a motion to close citizens
comments?

565
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:32,800
» And council members
>> close citizen comments.

566
01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:37,679
» That was resolution 329 2026
in our packet.

567
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:42,000
» Is there a second? Second Ross.
>> Motion to close citizens comments was

568
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:46,000
made by council vice president Monty the
third, second by Councilman Ross. All

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01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:51,520
those in favor vote by saying I.
>> I. Any opposed?

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01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:57,360
» Council uh citizen comments has been
closed. Council comments.

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01:33:54,159 --> 01:34:01,239
And I want to announce that uh uh city
attorney arrived at 7:48.

572
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:09,120
» Councilman Clifford Ross.
Thank you, Council President. Good

573
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:15,040
evening, everyone. [clears throat]
Um, I just want to follow up with a few

574
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:21,360
um questions from the BA. U mostly about
um signs. I want to follow up with the

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01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:27,920
left turn sign that was requested and
approved um for Scotland Road.

576
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:31,520
» You mean by the building on Lincoln and
Scotland? Yes. It's been ordered and so

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01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,159
have the stansions.
>> It's there. No, I said so have the

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01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:38,080
stansions.
>> Oh, it's been ordered. Yes.

579
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:43,120
» Okay.
>> Um, what about the followup on the

580
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:46,600
autism signs that was passed also?
>> I have to check.

581
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:56,655
» And what is the status of the one-way
sign on Clarinet Street?

582
01:34:54,635 --> 01:34:56,655
[snorts]

583
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:03,040
We were changing it. we was changing
Claritin from one direction to the other

584
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:08,880
direction.
>> So, we did the engineering study. Um, it

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01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:13,199
was reported to the neighborhood. There
are a number of items that have to be

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01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:18,639
taken, a number of steps that have to be
taken with NJ DOT and the engineering

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01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:24,000
firm in order to move [snorts] forward.
The engineering firm's been instructed

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01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:29,440
to take those steps with DOT. And once
those steps are taken and the report is

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01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:34,960
submitted, we'll get the okay from DOT
to actually make the change.

590
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:37,600
» Okay. Do we have a time frame when this
will be completed?

591
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:44,880
» It's DOT.
>> Okay. So, take a while.

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01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:51,440
» What is the um status of the parking
garage um by the New Jersey by the train

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01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:54,239
station? Have all of that equipment been
in there? Is that ready? And

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01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:57,800
» we're waiting for the last software
piece to be installed.

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01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:08,159
» And same question I ask every every u
meeting. Status of the parking utility

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01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:15,199
and when will it start?
>> So the PATs equipment hasn't arrived

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01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:18,880
yet. Um we're ready with the the list of
people who are going to be hired for

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01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:23,920
enforcement.
Um their uniforms are already been

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01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:27,280
ordered. All their equipment that we
need to order from an outside vendor has

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01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:32,560
been ordered. We're just waiting on the
Pat's equipment.

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01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:35,560
Okay. [clears throat]
Um

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01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:42,080
the official date of the opening of our
parks, pools, and spray parks is Jan

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01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,119
July 1st,
>> correct?

604
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:50,159
» Summer camp also?
>> Yes.

605
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:58,080
» Okay. Thank you. Um I have a couple of
announcements. Um the first one is um

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01:36:54,320 --> 01:37:02,960
the Junior Public Safety Academy.
And if the um fire chief wants to talk

607
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:08,880
about this, he can. But you know, this
is going to be happening on July 13th

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01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:16,000
through August 7th, Monday through
Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 400 pm. It's a

609
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:22,440
fruit free program. And um how long has
this program been going on?

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01:37:19,392 --> 01:37:22,440
[snorts] About

611
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:31,080
20 plus years.
>> How long?

612
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:31,080
» About 20 plus years.

613
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,960
» We got five years.
>> Five years.

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01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:40,880
» Derek Brown, fire chief. Orange.
>> Just just let people know what this

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01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:43,679
program is about because it's a great
program.

616
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:47,600
» Orange Police and Fire have come
together. We have the Junior Public

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01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:52,719
Safety Academy. It will be starting July
13th and proceeding into August 7th. We

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01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:58,400
do have a component now since the county
has been involved and have uh

619
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:02,159
we say granted us funds for the academy
this year. So we have a Olympics this

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01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:07,280
year with the county with other
organizations of children having

621
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:10,400
Olympics on August 8th. Um the
applications are online that can be

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01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:14,880
filled out online if you go to the
police or the fire department website

623
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:19,119
and you fill out that information. If
you have any issues with the on-site,

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01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:22,119
you can call us at the department at
9739-52-6134

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01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:29,600
or 6143. Captain Dawson and Captain
Smith from the fire starter handling

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01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:33,280
things. We do have those on the police
side as well. So, applications can be

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01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:36,560
filled out. We are accepting
applications and we're looking for a

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01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,800
great camp this year from police and
fire.

629
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:43,840
» Thank you. You're welcome. And while
you're up there, [clears throat]

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01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:48,480
fire department has a open house and
recruitment fair coming up on um June

631
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:52,080
27th found on that.
>> So we don't know the date when the

632
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:56,239
applications are coming out online for
civil service whether it will be July.

633
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:59,920
So in preparation that we preparing
those for that time to fill out the

634
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:03,600
applications and the awareness about
what it is to become a firefighter. So

635
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:07,280
that will be happening at the fieldhouse
as you have the flyer there coming up

636
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:09,040
soon. Um, so we're looking forward to
that on the 27th,

637
01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:11,119
» correct?
>> Of this month.

638
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,679
» Thank you, F.
>> You're welcome.

639
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:16,480
» Thank you, President.
Can I ask him something while he's there

640
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:19,119
if you don't mind?
>> This the last time I'm going to let you

641
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:23,243
do this.
>> The last time I [laughter]

642
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:33,760
uh I went on the um the website to try
and find the application

643
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:37,119
and I couldn't. So, I don't know. Was
that uh is it it's under the fire

644
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,000
department, right?
>> Yes.

645
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:44,000
» So, have you any of you went on it and
>> I have done it? I've coached somebody

646
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:47,760
through it as well. So, like I said, any
issues with getting online, you can give

647
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:52,280
us a call at the fire department. I give
you my direct line as well, 9739526132.

648
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:58,080
So, just call me direct. I'll coach you
right through those things to get online

649
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:01,119
and fill out that application.
>> Yeah, because I'm quite sure some of the

650
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:03,199
residents are having the same issues I
have.

651
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:06,560
» Okay. We'll we'll further look into it
now, but I couldn't find the

652
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:08,000
application.
>> Okay.

653
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:11,760
» Yeah. All right.
>> We'll look into it now. Thank you so

654
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:15,679
much. And uh Council Me, thank you so
much for your time here with the city

655
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,719
and everything that you've done here in
your career as as a council woman and

656
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:21,520
council president from the fire
department. We say thank you. We love

657
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,560
you very much. So, you're going to be
greatly missed, but you're always here

658
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:29,999
for you. Thank you so much for all
you've done for the city of Orange.

659
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:32,019
» Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jesus.
>> [applause]

660
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:40,000
» Thank you. Um, one more announcement.
The city of Orange um is going to have a

661
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:48,639
gospel festival
on Saturday, June 27th at Monty Irving

662
01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:53,679
Orange Park um from 12 to 6:00 p.m.
Enjoy a day of music, praise, bouncy

663
01:40:51,040 --> 01:41:00,560
house, trivia, and raffles. It's a good
time. So, please come out if you can.

664
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:05,360
And um before I close, I would just like
to take a moment to recognize and wish

665
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:11,600
all the fathers a very happy father's
day this coming Sunday.

666
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:17,840
Um a father is more than a title.
A father is a provider, a protector,

667
01:41:15,195 --> 01:41:22,400
[snorts] a teacher, a mentor, and a role
model.

668
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:27,840
He is someone who makes sacrifices often
without recognition to ensure his family

669
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:32,880
is cared for, supported, and given every
opportunity to succeed. Fathers help

670
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:38,320
shape the values, character, and future
of their children through their love,

671
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:43,360
guidance, and example. As a proud father
myself, I can say that being a dad has

672
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:49,520
been one of the greatest blessings of my
life, and I wouldn't have it any other

673
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:54,239
way. To all the fathers, stepfathers,
grandfathers, and father figures who

674
01:41:52,320 --> 01:42:00,239
lead with strength, compassion, and
commitment. Thank you all that you do.

675
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:04,560
Thank you all for all that you do. And
happy Father's Day to you all. Thank

676
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:08,905
you, Council President.
>> You're welcome,

677
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:11,679
» Councilman Montigue.
[snorts and clears throat]

678
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:17,199
» Good evening, everyone.
I just want to um let everyone know I

679
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:23,040
think I let everyone know about this a
lot of times.

680
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:30,080
Um we're having a kids summer camp.
We're taking them this the second annual

681
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:37,520
to Lebanon, Pennsylvania from July 19th
to July 24th. They get an opportunity

682
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:42,560
outbound games, drawing and painting,
swimming,

683
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:47,440
uh nature walks,
you know, all kinds of stuff. A a

684
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:52,080
beautiful program, well supervised.
So,

685
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:57,840
we need we need more people or we're
going to have to open it up to other

686
01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:04,880
communities. I think we we have like 11
or 12 people from Orange, but everybody

687
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:09,840
from East Orange, different areas, I
keep telling them, "No, you have to be

688
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:16,239
from Orange." So, if you know any kids
that barely go on vacations, never leave

689
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:20,159
the city of Orange, and they want to,
it's like the fresh air fun when I was

690
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:27,000
young. You getting the opportunity to
leave the city.

691
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:27,000
Please give me a call at 9734768384.

692
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:39,679
This is so organized and so safe. Uh
Clifford Ross and myself, we drive with

693
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:44,560
the kids up there.
So, it's a it's a beautiful camp. You

694
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:50,239
know, a lot of kids all they do is go
from park to park to park. Let's give

695
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:54,560
them something that they can remember.
Okay? So please give me a call.

696
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:57,560
Councilman Montigue
973476

697
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:05,840
8384.
Thank you.

698
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,560
» That's it. Council.
>> Well, yeah. I have one more thing.

699
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:12,480
» Oh, okay.
>> What am I going to ask you?

700
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:17,679
» Was the status of the rec center?
>> Yes.

701
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:23,600
» In the hospital.
Um, we're getting ready to reissue the

702
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:28,719
RFP and we're in discussions with three
developers already to get some sense

703
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:35,440
from them as to whether or not they'd be
interested in pursuing the project.

704
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:42,800
» Now, please, let's definitely not turn
the Y into an apartment building. That's

705
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:45,520
not what we want in Orange. Please. So,
are they still are we going to still

706
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:50,000
have the rec center there?
>> Yes. Okay, long as we have that. All

707
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:57,920
right,
I'm gonna I'm gonna defer to my council

708
01:44:52,320 --> 01:45:02,000
colleagues to the great Tennessee Een.
>> Is that who you was going to call?

709
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:06,000
» No, I was not, but go ahead. [laughter]
>> Okay. Did you I'm done. Thank you,

710
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:09,840
Council President.
>> Councilman Coley.

711
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:14,560
» Thank you, Council President. I'd be
real brief. Um

712
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:22,080
I
I know that everyone who um have cars um

713
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:29,679
you know deser and deserve a place to
park. Um, but we have uh a lot of people

714
01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:33,840
around the city who u make illegal
driveways in front of the house. And

715
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:39,280
again, like I said, I know people, you
know, deserve to have somewhere to park.

716
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:45,360
And being that uh those illegal
driveways are uh not being um enforced

717
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:52,719
by uh you know, giving out summones when
people are jumping the curb uh tearing

718
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:56,800
up the sidewalk. uh we should um uh
govern that. we should do something to

719
01:45:55,040 --> 01:46:04,880
govern that. and and and if that's going
to be the case, um change the zoning um

720
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:09,760
laws and uh have them, you know, um you
know, uh pay for the um you know, um

721
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:14,880
whatever it is that they're doing for
the parking because we have so many

722
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:22,000
people that's jumping the curb, tearing
the curbs up and and parking and and

723
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:28,400
like I said, I understand people need to
have somewhere to park, but it should be

724
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:32,719
regulated in some way, shape or form,
you know. Um,

725
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:40,159
and I've seen
um many cases where people um jumped the

726
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:45,679
curve
in these illegal parking spaces and then

727
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:52,080
someone pulled up and blocked them in
and now you have this whole situation

728
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:56,239
about um um I'm blocked in and no, you
shouldn't have been there in the first

729
01:46:53,119 --> 01:47:01,920
place. So we should regulate it in some
way, shape or form, you know, um, you

730
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:06,159
know, just to combat that and and um
just to, you know, just either we're

731
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:09,520
going to do it or we're not going to do
it. is gonna be enforced or not gonna be

732
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:18,320
enforced,
you know, and and um and we was it you t

733
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:26,480
um a few years back we had the uh
commercial vehicle um ordinance pass

734
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:35,119
where um like commercial vehicles that
uh park on a um city street um

735
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:40,480
» yeah we did you know but that's that's
something that we need to um again I I

736
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:43,119
understand people are working and and
they need to have somewhere to park, you

737
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:46,719
know, but if we're going to have an
ordinance on on the books and it's not

738
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:51,440
being enforced, either we're going to
take it off the books or we're going to

739
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:55,360
enforce it. And if we do enforce it, you
know, um I don't want to say that we

740
01:47:53,520 --> 01:48:00,480
just start beating people side the head,
you know, but maybe create a flyer or

741
01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:08,719
something and the vehicles that are in
violation. Um just kindly remind them

742
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:14,159
that uh you are in violation of whatever
ordinance number it is. And at some

743
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:19,840
point in time, uh, we're going to, um,
start, um, enforcing this and that will

744
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:25,840
help ease some of the, uh, uh, parking,
um, around the city. Um, I'm going leave

745
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:32,719
it right there. And I just want to, um,
thank um, my friend,

746
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:40,639
Councilman N, um, for all your years of
service. It has not been easy. Um it has

747
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:47,360
been um up and down but uh one thing I
can say it's been constant. Um you have

748
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:54,800
always been here um leading, guiding and
directing and never backing down on what

749
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:58,800
you believe and I thank you for that.
I'll leave right there. Thank you,

750
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:05,600
» Councilwoman E.
>> Yes. First before I let me just make two

751
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:11,840
announcements or one announcement
and easy pickings is closing.

752
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:16,159
» It's been here for eons.
>> So I hope we have some place somebody

753
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:19,360
going in that spot because that's on a
major corner. Can you hear me? Can you

754
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:25,119
hear me? Okay.
>> And I want to announce that on July the

755
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:30,639
10th the division of motor vehicle
mobile unit will be at St. Matthew's

756
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:34,560
Church from 10 to 2.
The appointment schedule opened up

757
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:40,320
today. So, if you want to come and make
an appointment,

758
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:44,560
the link is online or you can get the
link through St. Matthew's Church, but

759
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:48,960
it is open. If you go on the motor
vehicle site, you can see the link. You

760
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:54,239
have to have an appointment to be there
and it lists all of the services that

761
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:58,960
it's going to offer on that day. you
don't need appointment if you want to

762
01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:02,320
drop off your license plates
uh and some of the other things. So, you

763
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:07,040
can just come in and drop off your old
license plates.

764
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:13,440
Uh the other thing I want to talk about
is I want to thank you all for being my

765
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:21,760
council colleagues,
you know, and say what I say.

766
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:25,840
I'm sad about leaving. I'm sad and happy
because now I can do some other things

767
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:31,440
that I wanted to do. And I just want to
say the counselor was just a title. I am

768
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:36,159
still Mrs. E. I will still be here. I
will still be in my award because you

769
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:39,679
all know I love the North Ward. So I
will make sure the North Ward is taken

770
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:43,520
care of even though I don't have the
title anymore.

771
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:48,880
But I want to thank my good friends that
came in tonight to say thank you. I

772
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:53,920
appreciate you guys. I love you and I
love the city of Orange and I'm going to

773
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:57,679
continue to work in the city of the only
difference is now I have an opportunity

774
01:50:55,760 --> 01:51:02,880
to say a lot of things I couldn't say as
a council woman so I can dispel a lot of

775
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:07,199
the negativity of the things that are
coming up that are not true untrue and

776
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:12,000
people making comments that are not
true. Um

777
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:17,760
but before I finish my comments, one
other thing um through our um business

778
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:20,159
administrator Lakeside and
uh Cleveland Street, there's a vacant

779
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,920
lot.
>> Okay.

780
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:30,080
» Is that a possibility we could turn that
into city parking and charge a fee for

781
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:33,440
people to park their cars there? I mean,
you have cars and there could be

782
01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:39,760
cleaning up. The reason I say that is,
and Councilman Coley can attest to this,

783
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:44,320
when I brought up the booting the other
council meeting, you guys laughed me

784
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:52,719
often, remember?
But it has spread like wildfire.

785
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:57,599
A lot of the private owners are hiring
these contractors, these towing trucks,

786
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:01,599
and they're booting cars. They're
starting in the parking lots of the

787
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:08,159
buildings.
So, one of the buildings has now

788
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:13,360
enforced one space for each apartment.
So, if you got two cars, they won't give

789
01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:18,480
you another space.
So, over there by three corner deli, we

790
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:22,400
don't have the luxury of the big
apartment buildings that's got the

791
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:26,800
parking garages where people can park
and they can go in and rent a space. So,

792
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:33,280
I'm wondering if we can make Lakeside
and Cleveland. Could we look at that a

793
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:38,000
parking lot is city owned property and
we probably could legislate it and

794
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:42,960
charge a fee so people have a second
option to park those cars.

795
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:47,360
So could you make a note I will follow
up with you in the next coming weeks to

796
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:50,639
make sure that we make that happen.
>> Okay.

797
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:58,400
» Yeah. But I I want to talk a little bit
about real talk. Orange Wheel talk

798
01:52:55,679 --> 01:53:02,880
that started out being a positive site
and then has become a negative site. And

799
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:07,840
I just want to say a lot of the comments
that's on there are untrue. People don't

800
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:13,679
give the facts. And I want our residents
that's online to understand that that is

801
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:17,840
not a site you go to get the facts.
That's a site where you go to get an

802
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:23,599
opinion. And people are being very
negative. And I just want to talk about

803
01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:28,880
what the
policy is. If you want to be on a board

804
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:32,000
or an organiz or a committee, all you
have to do is call your council person,

805
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:36,880
give them your name, and tell them
you're interested. As we walk this city,

806
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:40,320
and my council colleagues can say, we
always ask, do you want to get in the

807
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:45,040
minutes of government? Do you want to
get on a board? Just let us know. We

808
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:50,080
take names and we follow through. So for
someone to get up there and say that we

809
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:56,400
are doing things underhanded,
undermining, that is totally not true

810
01:53:53,840 --> 01:54:00,239
because everything we do is transparent
and if you have a concern, you can

811
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:04,719
always b it with your council person,
with the mayor or with our business

812
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:09,679
administrator. So, I just want to and
I'm hoping and I'm praying as we go

813
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:14,719
through with new development that we
bring in positive people that want to

814
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:19,119
build on what we built in this city. And
please guys, don't let us lose ground

815
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:24,400
and go backward because the people that
are talking only represent a small

816
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:29,199
number. We have over 30,000 people in
this city and you know how many show up

817
01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:33,440
at council meeting because the rest of
them they address their concerns when

818
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:39,040
we're walking. We're talking to them. So
I'm just praying that as you guys

819
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:43,440
and when people talk about pilots a lot
of because they really don't understand

820
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:47,440
what a pallet really is. You know they
get a lot of what I'm say on [snorts]

821
01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:51,599
the street information. they don't get
the facts and they put it up like it's

822
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:56,239
the facts because we do make money
eventually on those ballots and it helps

823
01:54:53,679 --> 01:55:02,719
the taxpayers. So guys, please stay
positive. I will be here. I'm not going

824
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:07,599
anywhere. I love my ward. I love my city
and I want to thank the residents for

825
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:14,560
the opportunity to serve them for 24
years. So I'm not sad about leaving.

826
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:18,719
I need some rest.
>> I need some time off.

827
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:22,400
But I'm still your friend.
>> Thank you.

828
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:26,960
» Thank you, Council. [applause]
Council President, can I just add on Can

829
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:31,920
I add on one thing that um she brought
up the uh the towing services and I may

830
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:39,920
have mentioned this before. I may have
mentioned this before. Um we should uh

831
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:49,760
create some legislation um regulating
and um and and uh how the towing

832
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:54,719
services on on these private um uh uh uh
properties are handled. They just

833
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:58,560
because now they can just come in any
towing service can come in to your

834
01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:02,560
vehicle or boot your vehicle and hold
your vehicle hostage. you know, it

835
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:09,440
should be some kind of um ordinance
created where um you have to come in um

836
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:15,040
you know, uh uh you know, do whatever,
you know, um registration it is. Um so

837
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:20,880
we can know exactly um who these towing
services are, you know, because now

838
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:25,360
anyone can just come in um um do these
services, boot your vehicle, tow your

839
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:30,560
vehicle, hold your vehicle hostage and
uh and and and it's just a nightmarish

840
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:36,800
uh uh situation. I think we need to
create some type of um ordinance

841
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:41,760
governing the um uh uh towing services.
Council President, could I just

842
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:47,760
» Council Acol, we're step ahead of you.
Our city attorney, Aaron Mitsrai, is

843
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:51,920
already doing that. We should have it in
the next couple of days. He's putting

844
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:58,080
together the guidelines for the police
department, how they operate for those

845
01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:02,000
touring that's being contracted by
private owners.

846
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:09,040
So, they should have it in the next
couple of days because I found out

847
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:14,800
this weekend they do have to register
with the city in order to operate even

848
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:21,040
though they're contracted by a private
owner and that is going to be

849
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:25,280
reinforced. And I guess Chief Mooney, if
you want to talk to uh Detective

850
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:31,199
Richards
uh and um our attorney, they're already

851
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:35,679
working on that. so that they can give
you guys some guidelines to use so that

852
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:40,000
our officers are not out there on
Saturday and Sunday not knowing how to

853
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:42,000
handle those situations. So, it's
already in the works.

854
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:44,880
» Thank you very much.
>> Okay.

855
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:49,320
» Thank you. So, before I speak, I would
like to bring up the Orange Police

856
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,320
Department.

857
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:59,679
» Thank you, Chief Moon.
>> Good evening. And yes, Mr. CE, that that

858
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:03,040
is correct. met with Sergeant Richards
today and uh I know he was having some

859
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:07,040
meetings today and I'm going to get an
update on but uh that's a concern and uh

860
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,880
I know they're putting some things
together to correct some of that problem

861
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:12,880
with these out out of town and the uh
some of the stuff that's going on on

862
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:16,639
private property.
>> Yeah. Just to say your captain is still

863
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:20,560
at work even though he's retiring.
>> Oh, absolutely. So, thank you council

864
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:23,280
president for bringing me up for an
opportunity to speak on behalf of the

865
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:28,560
men and women of the Orange Police
Department. Uh, Councilwoman Een, uh, on

866
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:31,679
behalf of them, I just want to say thank
you. Thank you for the years. I think

867
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:36,159
most of my career, you've been in your
position. Thank you for the opportunity.

868
01:58:33,679 --> 01:58:39,679
Always a fair conversation. Good times
and bad. We've had some wonderful

869
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:43,360
moments over my career, and we've had
some some lousy ones, some officer

870
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:47,360
deaths, and some bad moments when you're
always there. And you gave us a fair

871
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:50,480
opportunity when there was um things
where the the Orange Police Department

872
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:54,000
was being questioned, and sometimes it
was it was rightly so. but you gave us

873
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:58,480
an opportunity to speak and explain
ourselves to the the citizens and and

874
01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:02,000
your constituents and we're uh we're
thankful and grateful for that. I I

875
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:05,280
loved our dialogue. I know when the
phone rang and it was going to be a

876
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:08,800
serious conversation about what was
going on whether it was when I was in

877
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:12,239
enforcement or community service or no
matter where I worked, it was going to

878
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:15,440
be that, you know, this is serious and
you always thought of your citizens

879
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:18,960
first and how, you know, it could be
better and the police department could

880
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:23,760
serve them better. So, I I just want to
say thank you for the men and women um

881
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:26,560
for always giving us a chance uh for
standing up when we needed someone to

882
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:31,040
stand up and question us when we needed
to be questioned. And uh I always

883
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:34,719
brought uh enjoyed that transparency and
I wish you nothing but the best. I know

884
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:38,159
you said it. I know your fire is still
burning and that's not going to change.

885
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:41,760
So, from that perspective, I expect to
hear from you in the future. So, I wish

886
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:47,480
you nothing but the best and good luck.
>> I give your father-in-law my best.

887
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,480
» Absolutely.

888
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:57,360
So, I want to start off by talking about
Saturday in the city of Orange Township.

889
01:59:54,400 --> 02:00:01,840
Saturday was a great um day. It was an
exciting day. It was a long day,

890
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:06,639
Councilman. Um Monty, you and I were out
there. So, we started off Saturday

891
02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:12,400
morning in College Park with the girls
flag football team, which there was a

892
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:17,840
phenomenal game. I regret to say we
lost, but that's okay. Um, but we, you

893
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:22,080
know, had a good time, good conversation
with the coach from East Orange. And

894
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:26,080
what we're going to do is take our
girls, um, to have some scrimmage games

895
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:29,280
with them. We're going to set up
something where they can go over and

896
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:32,880
play games and they can come over and
play games. But that was a really good

897
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:37,599
game. Really good to see young ladies
out there playing football. It was

898
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:43,760
absolutely amazing. Then from Flag
Football, we popped over to the um

899
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:47,360
what's that thing where they throw the
paint um

900
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,880
» Orange Park.
>> Mhm.

901
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:52,320
» Orange Park, right?
>> It was the I I can't remember the name

902
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:57,360
of but but it's where the young people
have these paint packets and they color

903
02:00:55,440 --> 02:01:01,520
run. That's what it is. Yeah. So, we
left Flag football. We went over to

904
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:04,880
Orange Park. There was a color run. So,
believe me, I stayed out of the color

905
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:08,400
room, but people were pink and purple
and all different [laughter] colors. It

906
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:11,280
was the end of orange week for the board
of education, which we had tennis last

907
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:18,880
week.
>> We left there and we went um to Orange

908
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:24,000
Park where a young man um I knew him as
Cowboy. Um he passed away a couple of

909
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:29,520
weeks ago, but the seniors, it was about
50 or 60 seniors in the park. They had a

910
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:34,000
memorial service for him, which was
absolutely beautiful. It was absolutely

911
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:43,520
amazing. There were seniors there from
268, 300, 400 and all over town. Then we

912
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:48,159
popped back to um the park, college park
where there was a scrimmage baseball

913
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:51,840
game and and welder councilman Monteu
was there with the young men which was

914
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:56,719
absolutely phenomenal. Y'all know that
baseball is my favorite sport. It was a

915
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:58,320
good game. And who was the team we we
were playing?

916
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,480
» Elizabeth.
>> We played Elizabeth. We beat them too,

917
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:04,400
right?
>> Yes,

918
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:08,800
» we did. We did beat them. Um so sports
are alive in the city of Orange

919
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:12,480
Township. Um, we popped over to the
pool. The pool has been open on

920
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:17,280
weekends. Only the central pool. All of
the other pools are ready to be open

921
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:25,199
right on July 1st. So, that's a great
thing as as well. Um, resolution 392026,

922
02:02:22,159 --> 02:02:30,880
the resolution um supporting the New
Jersey Child Care Assistance Program is

923
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:35,679
something that um y'all know I work for
Senator Timberlake is a piece of

924
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:40,239
legislation that she's worked on. um
with that legislation and also with the

925
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:44,639
laundry workers center. She's also
worked with them on some legislation. So

926
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:50,480
um this is a piece of legislation that
I'm going to be proud um to support. And

927
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:54,480
then I want to talk a bit about um 319
2026.

928
02:02:52,000 --> 02:03:01,440
There was a power outage in Orange on
Oakwood Avenue um on June the 7th. A

929
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:05,920
tree fell. It knocked out just about all
the buildings on Oakwood Avenue. who I

930
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:10,400
think it knocked out some homes on all
it and knocked out that entire church

931
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:17,119
St. Matthew's church. Um but we had
people in our community who um thought

932
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:22,560
it not robbery to go over and check on
our seniors and deputy chief Nelson

933
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:27,440
Rivera of two or two was one of those
people. So he went over that morning and

934
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:33,760
he purchased, you know, out of his
pocket food for the seniors in the three

935
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:38,960
senior buildings. And um Deputy Chief
Rivera has gone into his pocket several

936
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:43,280
time in the city of Orange Township. He
did it with the sneakers one day,

937
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:45,840
Councilman Monty, he did it with um
rental insurance for people. So he's

938
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:48,960
always
>> the bikes. Remember he did the bikes.

939
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:52,080
» The bikes as well.
>> The bikes.

940
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:56,639
» Uhuh. but he's always somebody that we
can count on and he does it unsolicited.

941
02:03:54,960 --> 02:04:02,719
So, I wanted to write this piece of
legislation um for him to um just say

942
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:05,679
thank you. Um we have a great fire
department, we have a great police

943
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:11,520
department, but I just want to say thank
you, a special thank you to Deputy Chief

944
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:18,239
Nelson Rivera. [snorts] Also want to
talk about Junth. We all know about

945
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:22,501
Junth. Um there are several several
events going on in the city of Orange

946
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:26,639
Township. Charge you to go to one of
[snorts] those events. We all know what

947
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:30,560
the history is behind Junth. I'm going
to make you laugh. We put out a flyer

948
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:35,440
that said this event is going to happen
on Junth. And people started calling and

949
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:40,639
we're like, well, when is Junth? And I'm
like, oh my god. Like you don't know

950
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:44,159
that it's June 19th. But you know, you
had to just explain it to a few people.

951
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:48,159
But um that's something that we
celebrate. I've been celebrating that as

952
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:51,599
a child, but I grew up in the south and
I don't know if it was something that

953
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:55,760
was celebrated up here in the north. Um
but that's a very um special holiday

954
02:04:54,080 --> 02:05:01,040
talking about our freedom and talking
about when we were emancipated as black

955
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:05,920
folks. I do want to end up to speak
about um

956
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:11,760
kind of what Councilwoman East was
talking about, but I want to talk about

957
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:17,760
something from the point of view of
Fanny Liu Hamer. And of course, you all

958
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:21,920
knew who she is. Um
Adam Clayton Pal Jr., we all knew who he

959
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:29,840
was.
um just people who were in our community

960
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:36,400
who were advocates and who fought for
people. And I just want you to look at

961
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:40,239
those people and see how they were in
our neighborhoods and look at the

962
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:45,280
statements that they made and see how
they did things with class and poise.

963
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:51,199
And then I want you to look at the
advocates that we have today. And that's

964
02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:55,679
all I'm going to end with that.
Um to Councilwoman Een, you are

965
02:05:53,679 --> 02:06:00,320
definitely going to be missed, but you
know, I will come over there to your

966
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:05,119
house and we will sit in that backyard
and sit on that front porch and talk

967
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:10,560
about um good times and bad times. I
know that you are solid cuz you are a

968
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:16,320
woman of God and you know God places you
certain places in your life. So, and he

969
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:20,080
doesn't make any mistakes. So, I know
that you're all good with that. You are

970
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:24,000
definitely definitely definitely going
to be missed and thank you for all your

971
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:29,280
service to the city of Orange Township.
That's from me and my family and anybody

972
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:33,320
else who wants to tag along. But thank
you so much. You're going to be missed.

973
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:44,960
We'll move the agenda.
Ordinance on second reading.

974
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:49,199
Ordinance 11-2026.
It's an ordinance to amend the code of

975
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:52,679
the city of Orange Township chapter 200
section 200-10.2

976
02:06:53,199 --> 02:07:01,679
entitled residential permit parking zone
A to update the hours of parking on

977
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:10,199
Nassau Street sponsored by council
member Jamie B. Summers Johnson. Are

978
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:10,199
there any citizens who wish to comment?

979
02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:16,880
today.
>> Motion to close.

980
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:19,599
» Second.
>> Okay.

981
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:23,840
» Second.
>> Motion to close. Citizens comments were

982
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:28,639
m was made by councilwoman Een. Second
by council president Wooten. All those

983
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,840
in favor by saying I.
>> I.

984
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:32,840
» I.
>> Anyh

985
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:41,040
» on the motion?
>> Nope. Not yet. Motion to adopt.

986
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:46,800
» Move is uh since the comments is closed
now. Is there a motion

987
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:50,079
» on motion to adopt? Motion to adopt or
or whatever or postpone. Do you want to

988
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:54,400
postpone it?
>> I would like to postpone it because I

989
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:57,840
know um that's Nassau Street and
Councilwoman Summers Johnson was going

990
02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:03,440
back and forth with the residents
regarding the time. Some people wanted

991
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:07,599
to change the time to 3 pm. Some people
didn't want to change it to 3 pm. I

992
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:11,440
think she was talking about us changing
whatever time we're going to change it

993
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:15,119
to to make like one time across the
board so we don't have the police

994
02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:20,880
officers jumping over here at 4:00, here
at 3, here at 2. So, um, if we could

995
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:24,800
just postpone it and then bring it back
next week.

996
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:29,119
» So, can we have a motion? Wouldn't it be
a motion to table?

997
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:31,404
» Most motion to postpone till the next
meeting.

998
02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:35,280
» Okay.
[cough]

999
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:37,760
» All right. So, we we were in a motion.
Are we

1000
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:41,760
» Yeah, cuz I was
>> That's what I'm saying. She has to to

1001
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:47,760
resend her. I'll resend my motion and
make a motion to postpone this.

1002
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:51,119
» Attorney, you don't need to do that.
Just It's a mot. There's a motion on the

1003
02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:52,639
table, right? Just change it to You want
to postpone it?

1004
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:55,840
» Just change the motion.
>> Just postpone. Just make a mo. Yeah.

1005
02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:59,040
Vote to postpone it.
>> She just did. Yep. Okay. Now I need a

1006
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:03,760
second.
>> Second.

1007
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:08,400
» Motion by Councilwoman E. Second by
Council Vice President Monica the third

1008
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:11,440
to postpone to the next meeting. On the
motion. Roll call. Councilman Coley.

1009
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:12,880
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Een.

1010
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:16,239
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council

1011
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:19,119
Vice President Monica the third. Yes.
>> Counciloman Ross. Yes. Councilwoman

1012
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:20,560
Summers Johnson is absent. Council
President Wooten.

1013
02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:24,560
» Yes.
>> That's five yays, two absent. This is

1014
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:28,480
approved is postponed to the next
meeting.

1015
02:09:26,159 --> 02:09:32,239
Ordinance 13-2026,
an ordinance to exceed the municipal

1016
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:37,760
budget appropriation limits and to
establish a cap bank in accordance with

1017
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:43,520
NJSA4A
4-45.14

1018
02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:47,960
for the calendar year 2026 budget. Are
there any citizens who wish to comment?

1019
02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:54,560
» Yes.
What does this cap budget actually do if

1020
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:58,239
we don't have a budget yet? How are we I
mean, maybe I'm just not understanding

1021
02:09:55,840 --> 02:10:02,719
the ordinance appropriately, but it's
hard to understand how we are

1022
02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:06,719
establishing a cap to go above our
allowed amount, but we have no budget

1023
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:09,599
yet. So, I'm confused. Maybe I'm just
not understanding the ordinance.

1024
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:11,599
» Before we respond, and I didn't want to
interrupt, just put your name and

1025
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:17,119
address on the record.
>> Alicia, 47 Mountain View.

1026
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:23,119
» Good evening. So, this ordinance does
two things. one, it increases the total

1027
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:26,880
appropriation uh limit to 3.5% which is
standard but then the municipality has

1028
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:34,239
to opt in and in addition to you're
referencing the CAT bank. So on that

1029
02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:38,560
3.5% say that we have $100,000 that
we're allowed to appropriate and we

1030
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:42,880
don't that goes into our CAT bank and
it's allowed to be used in a future

1031
02:10:40,239 --> 02:10:48,000
year. So, this gives the municipality
the option to use that 100,000 whatever

1032
02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:52,560
that difference is in between where we
land and where [clears throat] we

1033
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:58,000
appropriate in a future year. This is
done before the uh budget is adopted on

1034
02:10:55,599 --> 02:11:01,280
an annual basis. Uh it's been sent to
the state so that they can review to

1035
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:06,800
know where you land as far as the
appropriation uh limits. So, it has to

1036
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:10,719
be done before the budget is adopted.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, what

1037
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:14,159
you're saying is,
yeah, that's confusing. Sorry. So, this

1038
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:17,440
has nothing to do with us exceeding the
allowed budget that we're allowed to

1039
02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:21,440
exceed. You don't have some we have to
submit an application to the state. If

1040
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:23,920
you go over the allowed amount that you
can increase, this has nothing to do

1041
02:11:22,719 --> 02:11:27,440
with that. This is just saying if you
have extra money, you could put it away

1042
02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:31,760
somewhere. I'm sorry.
>> Correct. This allows you to bank the

1043
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:35,920
difference of where your budget finishes
for appropriations and where you're

1044
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:39,040
allowed to appropriate,
>> but it doesn't reflect it doesn't

1045
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:42,800
actually reflect how much we're actually
going to go over yet.

1046
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:46,840
» No, that's in the adopted budget.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1047
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:46,840
» Yes, ma'am.

1048
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:53,440
Anyone else?
Motion to close citizens comments.

1049
02:11:52,239 --> 02:11:56,159
» Motion to close.
>> Second Coley.

1050
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:59,599
» Motion to close citizens comments was
made by Councilwoman East. Second by

1051
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:02,880
Councilman Coley. All those in favor by
saying I. I.

1052
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:06,239
» Any opposed? Citizens comment is closed.
Is there a motion on the floor?

1053
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:09,360
» Move. Wooten.
>> Second.

1054
02:12:07,599 --> 02:12:13,199
» Motion by Council President Wooten.
Second by Council Vice President Moner

1055
02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:14,480
the third on the motion. Roll call.
Councilman Coley.

1056
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:15,679
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Een.

1057
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:19,199
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hillbot is absent. Council

1058
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:20,560
Vice President Moni.
>> Yes.

1059
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:23,440
» Counciloman Ross.
>> Yes. Counciloman Summers Johnson is

1060
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:28,480
absent. Council President Wooden.
>> Yes. That's five yays, two absence. This

1061
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:28,480
is approved.

1062
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:35,280
Resolution, I'm sorry. Ordinance
15-2026,

1063
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:39,280
an ordinance of the municipal council of
the city of Orange Township, Essis

1064
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:43,599
County, New Jersey, amending chapter 210
of the municipal code of the city of

1065
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:48,400
Orange Township, entitled development
regulations to revise off- streetet

1066
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:52,079
parking, space, size, and access in
accordance with the residential site

1067
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:56,800
improvement standards codified under the
title 5, chapter 21 of the New Jersey

1068
02:12:54,800 --> 02:13:01,040
administrative code. Sponsored by
council member Welen Montigue the third.

1069
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:04,040
Are there any citizens who wish to
comment?

1070
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:14,239
» State your name and address.
>> Aisha Samuel 401 Highland Terrace. What

1071
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:21,040
exactly is this for? Because we all know
that Orange has parking issues. So what

1072
02:13:18,159 --> 02:13:27,040
exactly is this about? because it's not
very pro it's not very clear like what

1073
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:31,280
this is for.
>> So there's a state statute called the

1074
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:38,400
residential site improvement standards
and it sets forth requirements for the

1075
02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:43,280
size of parking spaces. Um
our ordinance is not in conformity with

1076
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:47,360
that statute. So this ordinance brings
us into conformity with the statute.

1077
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:54,079
» Okay. Does that mean that now we're
going to have parking spaces painted or

1078
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:57,520
something or is it just like some legal
lease that has to be changed?

1079
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:00,800
» Well, eventually you'll have painted
parking spaces and they'll have to

1080
02:13:59,119 --> 02:14:04,520
comply with this ordinance.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1081
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:08,119
» Anyone else?

1082
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:13,119
Is a motion to close?
>> Motion to close. Ross,

1083
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:16,159
» second, Eston.
>> Motion to close. Citizens comments was

1084
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:19,119
made by Councilman Ross, second by
Councilwoman Een. All those in favor by

1085
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:24,719
saying I.
>> I. Any oppose? Citizen comments is

1086
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:27,599
closed. Is there a motion on the floor?
>> Motion to adopt.

1087
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:32,480
» Second, Coley.
>> Motion to adopt made by Councilwoman

1088
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:36,159
Een, second by Councilman Coley. On the
motion, roll call. Councilman Coley.

1089
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:37,360
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman E.

1090
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:40,320
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council

1091
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,440
vice president Monty the third.
>> Yes.

1092
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:44,320
» Counciloman Ross,
>> yes. Counciloman Sus Johnson is absent.

1093
02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:46,800
Council President Wooten.
>> Yes.

1094
02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:54,079
» That's five years, two absence. This is
approved. Ordinance 16-2026,

1095
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:57,760
an ordinance amending chapter 18, fire
department and chapter 26 police

1096
02:14:55,920 --> 02:15:00,800
department of the revised code of the
city of Orange Township by creating the

1097
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:05,199
department of public safety and
providing for the appointment of a

1098
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:09,480
public director amended. Is are there
any citizens who wish to comment?

1099
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:18,000
Motion to close.
>> No, we have someone. She's getting here.

1100
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:24,320
» I'm coming. It takes me a little longer,
but I'm coming. Gloria Boseman, 345

1101
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:28,560
Alcott Street, Orange. Um, first, a
couple of things uh I want to address,

1102
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:33,599
but first I want to say to our police
and fire community and the last

1103
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:37,599
community meeting that they had. Um, the
difference between going to those

1104
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:42,960
meetings, well, let me put it this way.
Those meetings we ask the same tough

1105
02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:47,679
questions but we get answers. Those
meetings no matter how difficult the

1106
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:51,840
experience might be they entertain it
try to try to help us clarify certain

1107
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:55,280
issues and I just want to say I
appreciate them and I appreciate the way

1108
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:59,360
they receive the community and I
appreciate the way that they've

1109
02:15:56,480 --> 02:16:03,199
enlightened me on a number of instances.
I want to say to those people who come

1110
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:07,920
to this podium don't be discouraged. uh
Frederick Douglas added to those said

1111
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:11,840
power doesn't concede without a demand.
Power doesn't concede without a

1112
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:16,719
struggle. Power does not concede unless
it is confronted. So the fact is that we

1113
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:21,040
have that opportunity in this free world
to come before. But the public safety

1114
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:25,040
director I spoke to be I've spoken to
that position before. Let me speak on

1115
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:30,480
that issue very briefly because my
brother here gave such a detailed and

1116
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:34,080
informed question experience with regard
to that. I'm hoping those questions

1117
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:38,639
which will will be answered which will
solve mine. But I want us to make

1118
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:42,960
certain that we stop ignoring the
comments of people from this community

1119
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:46,800
including mine with regard to looking at
the public safety director. I don't

1120
02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:52,399
speak from opinion. Everything I want to
find out about I try to go to either

1121
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:56,160
authorities or to the research to ex to
probably give me some information that I

1122
02:16:54,319 --> 02:17:00,719
may not have had before because I'm not
an expert on all things. A lot of things

1123
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:03,840
but not on all things. It represents two
departments. We want to be careful. I

1124
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:06,880
heard you talk about the job
description. I'm going to be looking

1125
02:17:05,439 --> 02:17:10,080
carefully at that job description
because I've looked at other job

1126
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:14,160
descriptions. Someone told me the reason
this is happening because that these

1127
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:18,000
positions exist in comparable
communities. Well, sometimes we come to

1128
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:21,359
the podium and you ask us not to compare
ourselves to other communities. So, when

1129
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:24,800
it's convenient, we should compare
ourselves to the community. But I want

1130
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:28,479
to get to the job description that I had
an opportunity to look at because the

1131
02:17:26,479 --> 02:17:32,800
only thing that I heard today is 10
years of law enforcement experience. The

1132
02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:38,000
descriptions I looked at were so much
more and so broad that it allowed for

1133
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:42,240
people who had expertise not only with
regard to that but with regard to all of

1134
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:47,040
the disciplines that they represented as
well as the experience of administration

1135
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:49,920
and the ability to look at issues from a
variety of sides. So I'm going to be

1136
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:53,439
looking at that. But I'm particularly
going to be looking because once I was

1137
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:58,080
on a board and they asked me if I would
leave because they perceived that other

1138
02:17:55,679 --> 02:18:02,000
boards that I was on may have a conflict
of interest. It did not. But they did

1139
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:05,840
not want the community to get the
perception that there could be bias

1140
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:09,920
introduced. They did not want the
community to get the perception of

1141
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:14,240
impropriy. And as a result of that they
said we'll bring you at another time.

1142
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:18,080
And unfortunate unfortunately I have
been brought back to that board as I

1143
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:21,920
have relinquished other board positions.
So, I'm going to be looking carefully at

1144
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:26,399
this to make certain that the same
things that we say exist in other

1145
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:30,559
communities will be fairly represented
by the public and the public I keep

1146
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:34,599
saying that incorrectly the public
safety director here.

1147
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:41,319
» Darnell gives one hope drive.

1148
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:49,439
» I'm good to go. Cool. So, I I had a
question in reference to

1149
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:52,719
like in reference to actually doing
hiring. Only reason I say that is

1150
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:56,880
because there's already been studies
where they say officers who are actually

1151
02:18:55,200 --> 02:19:01,120
part of the community, i.e. live in the
community, do a better job within the

1152
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:05,519
community. So, with this position that
we're proposing, my question is to you,

1153
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:10,880
would
it even be entertained to possibly let

1154
02:19:09,519 --> 02:19:15,359
one of officers who already worked for
our great city, perhaps in a rank of

1155
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:18,479
sergeant or above, to actually apply for
this position without the need to

1156
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:22,559
actually resign from the Orange Police
Department? That's my question.

1157
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:28,080
» It's possible.
>> Possible. Fair enough.

1158
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:33,120
Anyone
else? Can I have a motion to close?

1159
02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:35,920
Move. Wooten.
>> Second. Was

1160
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:39,679
» motion to close. Citizen comments was
made by Council President Wooten. Second

1161
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:43,359
by Councilman Ross. All those in favor
by saying I.

1162
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:46,880
» Any oppose?
>> So moved. Can I get a motion on the

1163
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:51,840
floor?
>> Move. Wooten.

1164
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:56,399
» Second. Een.
>> Moved by Council President Wooten.

1165
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:59,120
Second by Councilwoman Een. On the
motion. Roll call. Counciloman Coley.

1166
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:00,319
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Een.

1167
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:03,359
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council

1168
02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:05,920
Vice President Moni. Yes.
>> Counciloman Ross.

1169
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:07,359
» Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.
Council President Wooten.

1170
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:15,280
» Yes.
>> That's five years to nos. This has two

1171
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:20,800
absences. This has been approved.
Ordinance 18-2026.

1172
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:24,880
A bond ordinance providing for issuance
of redevelopment area bonds to finance

1173
02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:30,880
infrastructure improvements to a
redevelopment project located at 330

1174
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:35,600
Main Street, 98 Oakwood Avenue, 50 Main
Street, 18 Oakwood Avenue, 12 Oakwood

1175
02:20:33,359 --> 02:20:39,680
Avenue, and 28 Main Street in the city
of Orange Township in the county of

1176
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:45,200
Essex, state of New Jersey, the city
appropriating 150,000 therefore and

1177
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:50,399
authorizing the issuance of 150,000
bonds or notes of the city to finance

1178
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:54,040
the cost thereof. Are there any citizens
who wish to comment?

1179
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:59,840
» Alicia 487 Mountain View. These are
questions I asked earlier, but since

1180
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:03,680
it's relevant, I'm going to ask them
again. Hopefully, I don't have to email

1181
02:21:00,880 --> 02:21:07,520
them. Um, what is other related
improvements projects quote unquote

1182
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:11,520
entail? Does this refer to streets,
sidewalks, upkeep, replacements, and

1183
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:15,200
improvement to which Laauana Best would
be responsible for making these

1184
02:21:12,880 --> 02:21:20,720
determinations and suggestions based on
the language in the document. If in this

1185
02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:25,280
because she's a planning um the planning
person, if in this agreement, the

1186
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:29,760
investor is required and responsible to
do improvements, why are we taking out

1187
02:21:27,359 --> 02:21:35,280
an additional $150,000?
it. In this specific agreement, it says

1188
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:39,120
that they're responsible to provide
improvements to the road, improvements

1189
02:21:36,758 --> 02:21:44,160
[snorts] to the sidewalks, and add
additional things. So, why the extra

1190
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:50,280
150? Um, was there a specific
improvement that needed fixing that was

1191
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:50,280
determined by Orange and the investor?

1192
02:21:51,680 --> 02:22:01,840
» There are two reasons. Um the first is
that um there are specific improvements

1193
02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:09,040
related to the main street street design
that um we're adding comp some

1194
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:14,479
contribution to for the main street
street design to make sure that it's

1195
02:22:10,880 --> 02:22:22,319
complete and consistent. Um and the
second reason is that um we often

1196
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:32,399
include RABS um because the inclusion of
a RAB allows for the aggregate annual uh

1197
02:22:29,439 --> 02:22:36,560
the minimum annual service charge to go
below 10%.

1198
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:43,120
Without the RAB, the minimum annual
service charge can't go below 10% under

1199
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:49,520
the statute. So if you have a a project
that doesn't support a 10% minimum

1200
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:52,960
annual service charge then you can
include a RAB to get it under the

1201
02:22:51,359 --> 02:22:57,120
minimum annual service charge.
>> So the purpose of the bonds probably all

1202
02:22:55,359 --> 02:23:01,520
three bonds is so that then you guys can
collect up to that 10%. It gives the

1203
02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:04,880
ability that's the only I guess the main
benefit

1204
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:09,920
» below the 10%. Yes. It has to be below
or at sorry

1205
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:15,680
» the the inclusion of the RAB allows you
to go below the 10% annual minimum

1206
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:19,439
service charge that the statute requires
>> of the bond

1207
02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:23,280
» of the minimum service charge under the
pilot

1208
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:25,439
» for whom for the message
>> the pilot that's being paid by the

1209
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:29,040
project
>> sorry I don't understand the lingual so

1210
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:32,640
I I don't mean to be redundant um I
think that was the last question oh yes

1211
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:37,120
and can you explain what substantial
completion is so So, do they have to pay

1212
02:23:35,359 --> 02:23:42,880
a year after their substantial
completion? And then is it what do they

1213
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:46,319
pay now or until the construction is
done?

1214
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:51,280
» They pay taxes until the pilot kicks in.
Um, whatever the taxes are on the

1215
02:23:48,319 --> 02:23:55,359
property, that's what they pay. Um, and
substantial completion is a defined term

1216
02:23:53,439 --> 02:24:02,640
under the agreement. It's somewhat
complicated, but basically you have to

1217
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:05,520
have either a temporary CO or a CO
>> livable.

1218
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:08,920
» Thank you.
>> Anyone else?

1219
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:17,920
» Good evening everyone. Tanya Chamaro for
409 Minton please.

1220
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:21,120
» Say that one more time. I didn't hear
you. I'm sorry.

1221
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:24,720
» I said good evening everyone. 409 Minton
please New Jersey.

1222
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:28,399
» And your name? Tamaro.
>> Thank you.

1223
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:34,160
» You're welcome. Um, so, uh, when it
comes to this, I'm sorry, I just lost

1224
02:24:30,479 --> 02:24:38,359
it. What exactly are we improving
in these areas in Oakwood?

1225
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:48,720
» The funds will be used for sidewalks,
curbs, and street improvements.

1226
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:54,720
» Okay. Um when you do do we have like a
specific um time period once this gets

1227
02:24:52,479 --> 02:24:58,560
approved of how long it would take?
>> It's done at the conclusion of

1228
02:24:56,479 --> 02:25:03,040
construction so that the improvements
aren't damaged.

1229
02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:05,520
» Okay. So we we don't have approximately
time.

1230
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:07,600
» Just the construction schedule that's
all.

1231
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:13,439
» Okay. Do you do you happen to know how
long that would take? So they have to

1232
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:16,160
commence construction within 12 months
of the signing of their documents.

1233
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:22,399
» Uhhuh.
>> Um and construction usually takes about

1234
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:28,359
24 to 26 months.
>> Okay. That's quite a long time. Okay.

1235
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:28,359
Thank you.

1236
02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:33,160
» Anyone else?

1237
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:42,080
» Are any of these buildings? State your
name.

1238
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:46,319
» Aisha Samuel 401 Highland Terrace. Are
any of these buildings along the

1239
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:53,120
scattered sites
or the main street uh replanning

1240
02:25:50,479 --> 02:25:55,600
or whatever y'all want to call it?
>> Redevelopment.

1241
02:25:53,920 --> 02:26:01,359
» Redevelopment. Thank you.
>> These are all part of the

1242
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:05,520
the Main Street redevelopment plan.
>> Okay. So, if it's a part of the Main

1243
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:11,520
Street Redevelopment Plan, isn't there
supposed to be a grant for that

1244
02:26:08,240 --> 02:26:14,640
» or a partial grant for that?
>> For the Main Street redevelopment plan,

1245
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:19,040
» correct?
>> No,

1246
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:22,080
» I think you're confusing it with the
Main Streetscape

1247
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:26,160
plan,
>> which is the renovation of Main Street

1248
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:30,640
from
Scotland Road to the East Orange border.

1249
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:36,640
And yes, we've applied for grants for
that.

1250
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:41,840
» So, this is on the other side of Main
Street.

1251
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:46,000
» It's down, this particular project is
from

1252
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:51,040
uh Wendy's
to Oakwood.

1253
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:57,359
» So, that should be among the property
that would be a part of that grant.

1254
02:26:54,479 --> 02:27:01,840
the the public improvements in that area
will be a part of the grant. That's what

1255
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:06,560
some of this funding would go to to make
sure that it's consistent because they

1256
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:10,399
won't be done at the same time.
>> So, will this be done before the grant

1257
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:13,399
time?
>> Depends.

1258
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:26,560
» Okay. Cuz uh like this is confusing.
So, you don't really have a start date

1259
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:32,240
for when this is getting done, but you
also don't really have a start date for

1260
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:37,040
the redevelopment of Main Street, but
you do have some money for the

1261
02:27:34,479 --> 02:27:42,640
redevelopment of Main Street, but this
won't be a part of that redevelopment

1262
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:48,040
money for Main Street. Is that correct?
>> Yes.

1263
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:48,040
» Okay. Ain't that

1264
02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:51,760
» anyone else?

1265
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:58,880
Motion to close.
Move. Wooten.

1266
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:02,319
» Motion to close. Citizen comments made
by Councilwoman E. Second by Council

1267
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:05,760
President Wooten. All those in favor
vote by saying I.

1268
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:10,720
» Any objections?
So carried. Is there a motion?

1269
02:28:08,479 --> 02:28:14,000
» Motion to adopt.
>> Second, Ross.

1270
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:19,840
» Motion to adopt. Adopt was made by
Councilwoman Een. Second by Council Men

1271
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:21,200
Ross. On the motion. Roll call.
Counciloman Kohley.

1272
02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:22,479
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Eastston.

1273
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:25,760
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council

1274
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:28,399
Vice President Monica the third.
>> Yes.

1275
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:30,399
» Councilwoman Councilman Ross.
>> Yes.

1276
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:32,000
» Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.
Council President Wooten.

1277
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:37,760
» Yes.
>> That's five years, two absence. This has

1278
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:41,680
been approved. Ordinance 20-2026,
a bond ordinance providing for the

1279
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:46,479
issuance of redevelopment area bonds to
finance infrastructure improvements to a

1280
02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:50,560
redevelopment project located at 410
Main Street and 15-17

1281
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:54,399
Lincoln Avenue in the city of Orange
Township in the county of Essex, state

1282
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:59,920
of New Jersey, the city appropriating
150,000 therefore and authorizing the

1283
02:28:56,880 --> 02:29:04,319
issuance of 150,000 bonds or notes to
the city to finance the cost thereof.

1284
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:07,319
Are there any citizens who wish to
comment?

1285
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:11,680
Is there a motion to close? Move.
Wooten.

1286
02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:15,040
» Second. Ros.
>> Motion to close made by Council

1287
02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:19,040
President Wooten. Second by Councilman
Ross. All those in favorable vote by

1288
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:21,680
saying I.
>> Citizens comments closed. Is there a

1289
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:24,080
motion?
>> Motion to adopt.

1290
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:28,160
» Second.
>> Motion by Councilwoman Een. Second by

1291
02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:31,680
Council Vice President Monica the third.
On the motion. Roll call. Councilman

1292
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:34,800
Coley.
>> Yes. Councilwoman Eastston, yes.

1293
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:38,960
Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council
Vice President Moni, yes. Councilman

1294
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:40,880
Ross, Councilwoman Summit Johnson is
absent. Council President Wooten,

1295
02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:47,040
» yes.
>> That's five years, two absent. This has

1296
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:52,000
been approved.
Ordinance 23-2026,

1297
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:57,359
Ordinance of the Municipal Council of
the City of Orange Township to approve a

1298
02:29:53,680 --> 02:30:02,880
tax exemption for a 23-year period and
authorizing the execution of a financial

1299
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,200
agreement between the city and VA 50M
Urban Renewal LLC for the property

1300
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:17,040
located at 30 Main Street, block 3104,
lot 8, 98 Oakwood Avenue, block 3104,

1301
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:26,960
lot 1, 50 Main Street, block 310 3104
lot 7 18 Oakwood Avenue block 3104 lot 4

1302
02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:34,760
12 Oakwood Avenue block 3104 lot 5 28
Main Street block 3104 lot 9 are there

1303
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:34,760
any citizens who wish to comment

1304
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:45,200
» Darnell Gibbs one hope drive
cuz I asked BA earlier um in open

1305
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:48,720
comments so with this particular project
meas is going to get back to me in

1306
02:30:46,640 --> 02:30:52,399
reference to uh this particular
developer if they did the workshop and

1307
02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:55,600
if they hired any residents. Just was
curious if you had an answer for that

1308
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:58,560
one.
>> Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

1309
02:30:56,720 --> 02:31:02,160
» I was asking with this particular
developer

1310
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:07,359
as per all the pilots, they state that
they have to host with the assistance of

1311
02:31:04,479 --> 02:31:11,840
the township a workshop to hire local
residents. So remember earlier I asked

1312
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:14,640
you if it was done, what day was it and
how many residents was hired? You said

1313
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:17,600
you look into it. wasn't sure if it
would be answered now or later. So

1314
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:21,040
that's what I was asking. That's my
first question.

1315
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:24,399
» You trailed off at the end. I still
couldn't hand

1316
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:25,600
» I'm asking with this particular
developer.

1317
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:30,680
» Yes.
>> On their last project, it was

1318
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:42,640
66 2023. They were supposed to hopes
uh job fair. When was the job fair? How

1319
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:44,240
many of our great residents were hired?
if you're

1320
02:31:43,359 --> 02:31:49,359
» get you the information.
>> Okay, cool. No problem. I wanted to do a

1321
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:54,240
quick quote
>> and I know Council Member Culie, prior

1322
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:55,680
service. Yes.
>> Okay. No problem.

1323
02:31:54,960 --> 02:31:58,240
» Councilman Coley,
>> I'll still say the quote. You prior

1324
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:00,160
service. Yes.
>> Yes.

1325
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:02,160
» NCO officer, if you don't mind me
asking.

1326
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:06,319
» NCO.
>> NCOs's lead the way. Who? So, I'm in my

1327
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:11,439
18th year in the military. All right.
I've been deployed to maybe 17 different

1328
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:18,080
countries with four different combat com
conflicts. All right. During my

1329
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:22,800
development as a NCL,
I came across a great mentor. And this

1330
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:25,120
mentor, I had to text him to get the
quote, find out who actually said it.

1331
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:30,479
So, I'm going to read it to you real
fast. It says, "The trouble with most of

1332
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:37,200
us is that we would rather be ruined by
praise than saved by criticism."

1333
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:41,680
And I only say that is because with
being critiqued, you become a better

1334
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:46,080
version of yourself.
I've always critiqued my children, all

1335
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:50,240
four of them, to be a better version of
himself. Throughout my military career,

1336
02:32:48,560 --> 02:32:55,600
I've always been critiqued to be a
better NCO than the day I was before. I

1337
02:32:53,280 --> 02:33:02,800
never took any one critique as a
personal attack on me. I took that

1338
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:09,600
critique as the person giving me tools
and suggestions to be a better NCO, a

1339
02:33:06,319 --> 02:33:14,800
better leader. If anyone feels that any
citizen that they supposed to represent

1340
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:19,280
critiquing them is a personal attack,
that is not. It's just simply the

1341
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:23,640
citizen asking for clarity and
understanding. That's all.

1342
02:33:33,991 --> 02:33:38,640
» [snorts]
>> That's hard to follow because it's so

1343
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:42,080
appropriate, but I will. Nevertheless,
I'm I am urging

1344
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:46,479
» Name and address. I'm sorry.
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Gloria Boseman,

1345
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:50,160
forgive me. 345 Oak Street where the
tree fell, but not on my house.

1346
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:55,920
Hallelujah.
>> Um, for months, citizens have been

1347
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:59,920
coming to this podium and coming to
these chambers. They've submitted

1348
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:03,840
petitions. They've repeatedly asked
about these developments and the

1349
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:08,160
financial strain on our community and
the impact on our community with regard

1350
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:12,399
to quality of life, infrastructure, and
other things. Yet, we feel as though

1351
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:17,120
these voices are being ignored. These
tax abatements and long-term tax

1352
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:22,399
shelters for developers who may be
wealthy are at the direct expense of our

1353
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:27,200
community. Under this agreement, what
contributions are actually made to us

1354
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:31,680
that are that are other than the
community development funds which we are

1355
02:34:29,439 --> 02:34:36,720
having some difficulty kind of deciding
where they should go. What developer

1356
02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:42,160
locks in a stable discounted rate for de
decades? And while they do this, regular

1357
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:48,640
homeowners and small business owners are
forced to shoulder the rising cost via

1358
02:34:45,359 --> 02:34:53,840
our rising taxes. If this project is a
sound investment, let the developer pay

1359
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:59,520
standard property taxes just like the
rest of us. Listen to your constituents.

1360
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:06,399
Respect the consistent public
opposition. And finally, say no. I say

1361
02:35:04,080 --> 02:35:13,200
we are continuously approving these
developers, handing out ex even over and

1362
02:35:09,680 --> 02:35:19,359
above the explicit objections of members
of this community. Taxpayers should be

1363
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:23,920
driving these developments. I know that
you love Orange. I love Orange. But

1364
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:29,280
gentrification is on the way. I've seen
it in DC. I know it in Harlem. I saw it

1365
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:35,680
in Jersey City and we saw it in Hobok.
And if a developer needs both an LTE tax

1366
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:42,240
exemption, which I had to look up, and
an RA bond to make a profit in this

1367
02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:47,200
thriving real estate market. It is a bad
project and it is a bad deal for our

1368
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:52,880
community. The community has
demonstrated that they want to be heard

1369
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:58,000
and we will continue to do that in
whatever way we have to do it. And I

1370
02:35:55,920 --> 02:36:01,359
apologize if you consider and that was
so excellent. I got to get that quote.

1371
02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:07,560
If you consider our coming to this
podium negative, this is not the

1372
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:07,560
position you need to have.

1373
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:20,240
Just say no. We grew up listening to
that.

1374
02:36:17,439 --> 02:36:24,960
» Oh, Aisha Samuel, 401 Highland Terrace.
We grew up listening to that. We grew up

1375
02:36:22,319 --> 02:36:30,160
watching that. I'm telling y'all, just
say no. I've been telling y'all to say

1376
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:35,760
no to pilots for the last five years or
however long I've been attending these

1377
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:41,359
meetings. There is no need for any
company who is making an apartment

1378
02:36:38,240 --> 02:36:50,080
building an apartment building to need a
a pilot. If they have to have Okay, let

1379
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:58,560
me slow down. If they have to make money
and have to have a pilot to do so, they

1380
02:36:54,240 --> 02:37:02,680
do not need to build in orange. Period.
Just say no.

1381
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:10,560
Alicia 487 Mountain View. Um, how much
is the cost of this project? And is

1382
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:14,040
there a
>> Hold on one second.

1383
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:23,000
» Go ahead.
>> And is there affordable housing included

1384
02:37:19,359 --> 02:37:23,000
in this project?

1385
02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:31,280
» And oh, sorry. Um, do we have
legislation to establish what affordable

1386
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:36,640
is in Orange?
So there's no affordable included in the

1387
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:42,000
project. There are
457 units. The project costs

1388
02:37:39,280 --> 02:37:49,840
approximately $200 million
and a little more than that actually.

1389
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:54,960
And um the definition of affordable is
set by the state. Is it possible for

1390
02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:58,800
Orange to set their own
>> like so that for us to make legislation

1391
02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:01,760
then to establish what affordable
housing is, you know, to probably

1392
02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:07,040
protect ourselves from?
>> I'll defer to the lawyers, but I think

1393
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:11,520
it's probably um
superseded by state statute.

1394
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:13,840
» Agreed.
>> What does that mean, supersede by state

1395
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:17,359
statute?
>> The state once the state speaks, the

1396
02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:22,479
municipality can't.
>> Gotcha. So then we um council can't make

1397
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:26,680
legislation to establish that in orange.
>> Right. Correct.

1398
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,680
» Got it. Thank you.

1399
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:41,920
» Fear spends 357.
Um, so I just want to just inform you

1400
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:51,015
guys um that
the average income household in the city

1401
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:53,840
of Orange is about 43 to $52,000 a year.
[clears throat] And um with the

1402
02:38:52,000 --> 02:39:01,840
redevelopment that is going up in this
city

1403
02:38:55,600 --> 02:39:06,160
uh you know it's starting at 22 $2500 a
month. So what happens to these

1404
02:39:04,560 --> 02:39:12,720
residents that's been living here for
over the past 25 years is

1405
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:16,720
you displace them
and then the people that wants to live

1406
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:22,560
in this city can't even afford it
because they are making the average of

1407
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:28,640
anywhere from 55 you know to $70,000 a
year. So what you guys should really be

1408
02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:32,240
looking at is
what does the demographic of people and

1409
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:36,000
where you guys want these people to come
from

1410
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:43,120
because the closer and closer you guys
get uh you know to developing these

1411
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:47,680
projects in this 2.2 square mile radius
the more and more crucial it gets for

1412
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:52,640
you guys too as well. So you just have
to understand what the end results are,

1413
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:57,920
right? Because uh you know this is a
community that uh you know that is

1414
02:39:56,240 --> 02:40:03,760
familiar with everybody. If you go in
any of our neighboring cities right now,

1415
02:40:00,640 --> 02:40:08,800
South Orange Maplewood, I mean Milbour,
I mean Livingston,

1416
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:13,040
I not tolerating that stuff, man.
They're not tolerating that. So I think

1417
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:16,880
you know council I mean we should look
into that stuff too man. I mean we just

1418
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:20,560
need to be a little bit more
considerate. I mean all of our residents

1419
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:23,840
I mean especially the lifelong residents
we should be a little bit more

1420
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:28,479
considerate about this and I mean we
should start talking I mean to the state

1421
02:40:26,399 --> 02:40:31,520
too as well and we need to implement
more of our own legislations in place

1422
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:36,720
with this. That's what the council body
is here for. I mean not just I mean the

1423
02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:41,439
BA the BA makes a lot of sounds
decisions but the council has to get

1424
02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:44,319
engaged with this. You can't let this
like you just can't let the BA answer

1425
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:50,680
all these questions and do everything
itself. You know, that's not the way

1426
02:40:46,160 --> 02:40:50,680
this should work. All right. Thank you.

1427
02:40:57,280 --> 02:41:08,160
» Tanya Chamar 49, please Orange, New
Jersey.

1428
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:11,840
Um, when we talk about a 23-year
exponential

1429
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:17,520
for the taxes, I think that's just
crazy. Um, if the developers have money

1430
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:23,920
and investors and everything like that,
so why do we need to give them such a

1431
02:41:19,439 --> 02:41:28,479
big amount of time for a tax exemption
at that point? It makes us the residents

1432
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:33,760
feel like we should get one, too. We
also need the help. So like I don't

1433
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:38,160
understand that and we don't have any
help. We have to go outside. We have to

1434
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:43,920
work and make it happen to pay our taxes
to pay our bills and to be able to live

1435
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:52,160
in this community. Also following what
um this sir just said um talking about

1436
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:56,880
the approximately um what is it um what
the minimum wage is for Orange, New

1437
02:41:54,000 --> 02:42:02,399
Jersey. Um I come from I came here when
I was 7 years old. I come from Peru. I

1438
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:07,840
want to be here to retired. I want my
kids to look at orange and look at it

1439
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:14,399
like I want to be here as well as my
mother and so for I don't want them to

1440
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:20,720
have to look for an apartment or a
housing. Well, one we're having so many

1441
02:42:17,680 --> 02:42:24,960
new builds. There's not enough houses in
New Jersey. And if they are, they're

1442
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:29,439
uprising because of these new bills are
also uprising their rents. Like he said,

1443
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:36,240
apartments are going up starting at
what, maybe 1,800 and so on and for

1444
02:42:31,760 --> 02:42:42,399
more. Young kids who come out as 21 or
22 from college and they have debts with

1445
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:46,640
college can't afford that right now. The
prices of um food is going up. The

1446
02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:51,520
prices of taxes is going up. Everything
is going up. Can we really look at the

1447
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:57,040
future kids that they can afford this
type of like housing in Orange? I feel

1448
02:42:54,800 --> 02:43:00,720
like we're at we're getting at a certain
point that you're going to push us the

1449
02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:04,800
residents out that have been living here
for x amount of time to look into

1450
02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:08,479
somewhere else. And then who was going
to stay in Orange is going to be new

1451
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:13,520
members, not the old ones that were here
from a long time ago, not I who was here

1452
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:18,960
when I was 7 years old. And like I said,
I want to be here until I retired. I

1453
02:43:16,399 --> 02:43:22,720
love Orange. I feel like there's so many
possibility in Orange. Orange has

1454
02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:27,280
progressed throughout all these years
since I've been here and I would like to

1455
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:33,280
continue like that. But if we have new
developments that are asking for 23

1456
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:39,200
years for a tax exemption, I just don't
see that. And also no affordable

1457
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:43,840
housing. It's how is that fair to the
residents here? How is that fair to our

1458
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:49,279
future children that want to move out of
our homes and stay in Orange? So, I just

1459
02:43:47,040 --> 02:43:53,800
wish the council people would take that
in consideration. Thank you.

1460
02:43:57,120 --> 02:44:02,399
» Is there a motion to close?
>> Motion to close.

1461
02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:05,600
» Is there a second?
>> Second. Ross.

1462
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:10,240
» Motion to close. Citizens comments made
by Councilwoman E. Second by Councilman

1463
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:15,120
Ross. All those in favor by saying I. I.
>> Any oppose? Citizens comments is closed.

1464
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:19,200
Is there a motion on the floor?
>> Move. Wooten. Second. Een.

1465
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:23,279
» Motion by Council President Wooten.
Second by Councilwoman Een. On the

1466
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:24,560
motion, roll call. Councilman Coley.
>> Yes.

1467
02:44:23,600 --> 02:44:26,720
» Councilwoman Eston.
>> Yes.

1468
02:44:24,880 --> 02:44:29,439
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council
Vice President Marita the third. Yes.

1469
02:44:28,319 --> 02:44:32,240
» Counciloman Ross. Yes.
>> Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.

1470
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:39,359
Council President Wooten.
>> Yes. That's 5 years, two absence. This

1471
02:44:34,399 --> 02:44:44,960
has been approved. Ordinance 24-2026.
Ordinance of the municipal council of

1472
02:44:41,279 --> 02:44:51,200
the city of Orange Township to approve a
tax exemption for the 23year period and

1473
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:57,399
authorizing the execution of a financial
agreement between the city and NJT

1474
02:44:54,399 --> 02:44:57,399
2022-0509

1475
02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:09,920
Urban Renewal LLC for the property
located at 410 Main Street, block 2603,

1476
02:45:04,960 --> 02:45:16,399
lot 8 and 15-17 Lincoln Avenue, block
2603, lot 10. Are there any citizens who

1477
02:45:13,840 --> 02:45:21,120
wish to comment?
>> Alicia, 487 Mountain View. Just one

1478
02:45:18,640 --> 02:45:27,720
question. Um, what is this property
contributing toward taxes right now?

1479
02:45:23,359 --> 02:45:27,720
Maybe Niles could look that up.

1480
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:34,399
» What's your next question?
>> That's my question.

1481
02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:39,600
» Oh,
so we wait for business to come back.

1482
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:45,359
H
>> Niles can't see it.

1483
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:49,960
» Niles, can you see what the what the
taxes are on this property currently?

1484
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:53,640
» 20

1485
02:45:53,840 --> 02:45:58,200
» and the address is 410 Main Street.

1486
02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:26,600
2025 they paid $90,876
for property taxes.

1487
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:26,600
» Thank you.

1488
02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:41,279
» Darno gives one hope drive.
Mr. be a Would you happen to know the

1489
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:45,840
cost for this particular build for a 23
uh 24-2026?

1490
02:46:44,319 --> 02:46:51,840
» The estimated cost? I know it's not
exact.

1491
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:56,640
» Uh I think we're looking at about 27 to
$29 million.

1492
02:46:53,279 --> 02:47:00,240
» 27 we we going to make it 30 million.
>> Fine.

1493
02:46:57,600 --> 02:47:08,080
» Okay. So, I just want to make sure I'm
I'm clear.

1494
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:15,040
The previous project 23-2026
is approximately $200 million and

1495
02:47:10,960 --> 02:47:20,880
they're getting a 23-year tax abatement.
This project 24-2026

1496
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:26,960
is $30 million and they're getting the
same 23-year tax abatement. Not sure how

1497
02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:32,160
that math adds up.
Cool. But anyway, we talked earlier,

1498
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:36,960
council member Kulie uh talked earlier
about the residents illegally parking. I

1499
02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:42,880
agree with him. No one should have to
illegally park for somewhere they live.

1500
02:47:39,520 --> 02:47:48,560
However, the parking issue has been
raised by many residents as we started

1501
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:52,560
to adopt these pilot programs to build
these

1502
02:47:50,319 --> 02:47:56,880
luxury apartment buildings. We kept
saying over and over the amount of units

1503
02:47:54,960 --> 02:48:01,760
that they're offering versus the parking
doesn't match. And we kept telling being

1504
02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:07,359
told over and over, parking is not an
issue. And here we are in reference to

1505
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:09,279
the great council member stating that
people are legally parking on a

1506
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:13,439
sidewalk.
>> Excuse me, Mr. Gibbs.

1507
02:48:11,279 --> 02:48:15,920
» The comments during a public hearing on
an ordinance have to relate to the

1508
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:22,279
ordinance
>> specifically. Okay, fair enough. No

1509
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:22,279
problem. I apologize.

1510
02:48:23,920 --> 02:48:27,840
That was it cuz I was going to say
something else but it's not related.

1511
02:48:26,560 --> 02:48:36,800
That was it. So I just want to make sure
I'm clear so everybody know.

1512
02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:44,680
2326 $200 million 23 year tax abatement
2024 2026 $30 million same 23 year tax

1513
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:44,680
abatement.

1514
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:59,600
Aisha Samuel, 401 Highland Terrace. Just
say

1515
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:05,760
no
to tax abatements.

1516
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:10,960
Period. End the story. We should not
have to pay not one dime towards these

1517
02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:15,439
builders at all towards these
developers.

1518
02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:23,439
They already make too much money.
Why are we giving them a tax abatement?

1519
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:29,479
Why are we lowering our standards
for somebody else to make money off of

1520
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:29,479
this town?

1521
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:38,560
How does that make sense?
How do you guys keep on voting for this?

1522
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:44,240
How do you keep saying yes to this and
then expect us to pat you on the back

1523
02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:49,760
like you did good? because you ain't
doing good.

1524
02:49:46,880 --> 02:49:55,279
Because I really would God, let me calm
down. Calm down.

1525
02:49:52,640 --> 02:50:00,640
I really want to understand what goes on
in your mind because it absolutely does

1526
02:49:58,319 --> 02:50:04,800
not make sense
at all.

1527
02:50:03,040 --> 02:50:10,080
Y'all don't give tax abatements to
homeowners.

1528
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:14,960
Why should a builder, a developer get a
tax abatement?

1529
02:50:12,640 --> 02:50:19,920
Homeowners are the ones who actually run
this town. All the money comes from the

1530
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:24,120
homeowners
and y'all giving them money.

1531
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:36,240
And the CBAs, they not worth anything
because it's a $200 million project and

1532
02:50:31,439 --> 02:50:40,120
y'all getting $100,000. That's a CBA.
How does that make sense?

1533
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:52,080
And nowhere on God's green earth would
that make sense.

1534
02:50:46,399 --> 02:50:59,960
But somehow here in orange, that's okay.
We've been telling you for years, just

1535
02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:59,960
say no. And yet y'all keep saying yes.

1536
02:51:00,479 --> 02:51:08,479
Y'all just said yes.
And I'mma tell y'all again, say no. And

1537
02:51:06,080 --> 02:51:13,120
I know y'all gonna still say yes, but
I'mma keep on telling y'all no. Y'all

1538
02:51:10,960 --> 02:51:16,760
want somebody to pat you on the back?
Start saying no.

1539
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:26,160
Is there a motion? Oh, sorry.
>> Motion to close.

1540
02:51:23,279 --> 02:51:31,200
» No, no, no. Sorry. I have one more.
>> I'm sorry.

1541
02:51:28,479 --> 02:51:37,840
» Tanya Chamar 4 and I mentioned Police
New Jersey. Is there any way that we can

1542
02:51:34,960 --> 02:51:43,680
like maybe meet halfway instead of like
23? Can we do 15 18 something? Ba help

1543
02:51:42,880 --> 02:51:50,399
us out.
>> We went from 30 to 23. So fairly

1544
02:51:46,960 --> 02:51:57,279
substantial negotiating process over a
course of several months, actually a

1545
02:51:53,279 --> 02:52:02,640
couple years, the projects don't work
>> at less than these numbers. So at all

1546
02:52:00,399 --> 02:52:08,000
» if if you want to come in and go through
the numbers in my office, I'm happy to

1547
02:52:05,439 --> 02:52:12,160
do that with you instead of standing
here and and guessing about costs and

1548
02:52:11,439 --> 02:52:16,960
revenues.
>> Mhm.

1549
02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:19,600
» But the numbers at 23 years barely work.
>> Okay.

1550
02:52:17,359 --> 02:52:25,520
» They work.
>> So with this, we are profiting from

1551
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:30,720
this. That's what you're telling me.
We're getting far more revenue out of

1552
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:33,680
the properties that are being developed
than they're generating currently in

1553
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:38,640
taxes.
>> Okay. And this is all on paper. If we

1554
02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:44,479
were to look it up if we come to your
office and Okay. What time are you here

1555
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:47,520
tomorrow?
>> I'm going to look it up.

1556
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:53,040
» You can call and make an appointment.
>> I can call and make an appointment. Got

1557
02:52:49,040 --> 02:52:57,680
it. Um, but in the future, please
council members, please. We're try,

1558
02:52:55,520 --> 02:53:01,279
we're letting you guys know, there's
plenty of us here right now that we

1559
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:08,880
don't want this anymore in our
community. 23 years is extremely too

1560
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:15,120
long. 30 years is I'm 30. Sheesh.
Like, it's ridiculous.

1561
02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:20,080
We work so hard to keep our homes, to
get our homes. Especially as an

1562
02:53:16,960 --> 02:53:24,160
immigrant myself, we work so hard. We
start from nothing, from scratch. We

1563
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:29,359
don't have investors. We make our own
money and we try to make our own homes

1564
02:53:26,800 --> 02:53:35,120
and keep our own homes. We don't get any
any tax advances. We don't get any tax

1565
02:53:31,920 --> 02:53:39,760
cuts. That is just not it just doesn't
seem fair to us at all. And like I said,

1566
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:44,080
I'm also thinking about my kids. I want
our kids. I know you guys have home

1567
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:47,760
here. I know you guys also want your
kids possibly to stay here, too. and

1568
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:53,680
your grandkids.
Is this really reasonable?

1569
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:59,359
And I'm looking at all of y'all.
Is this really reasonable?

1570
02:53:56,399 --> 02:54:03,520
Please, guys. Please. I have three kids.
I want them here. I'm a mother. I don't

1571
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:10,200
want my kids to go to another state, to
another city. Please.

1572
02:54:06,960 --> 02:54:10,200
Thank you.

1573
02:54:12,479 --> 02:54:17,680
Is there anyone else?
Is there a motion to close?

1574
02:54:17,279 --> 02:54:20,240
» Motion.
>> Motion to close.

1575
02:54:18,960 --> 02:54:24,240
» Second, Ross.
>> Motion to close made by Councilwoman E.

1576
02:54:22,399 --> 02:54:28,160
Second by Councilman Ross. All those in
favor by saying I.

1577
02:54:25,439 --> 02:54:32,240
» I. Oppose. Citizen comments is closed.
Is there a motion on the floor?

1578
02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:36,000
» Motion to adopt. Second. W.
>> Motion to adopt made by Councilwoman E.

1579
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:38,399
Second by Council President Wooten. On
the motion. Roll call. Councilman

1580
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:39,680
Kohley.
>> Yes.

1581
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:42,800
» Councilwoman Eston.
>> Yes.

1582
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:45,439
» Councilwoman Hillwood is absent. Council
Vice President M. Yes. Counciloman Ross.

1583
02:54:45,120 --> 02:54:48,319
Yes.
>> Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.

1584
02:54:47,200 --> 02:54:50,960
Council President Wooten,
>> yes.

1585
02:54:48,640 --> 02:54:58,800
» That's five years, two absence. This has
been approved.

1586
02:54:54,080 --> 02:55:02,240
Um, ordinance 25-2026,
an ordinance of the municipal council of

1587
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:08,560
the city of Orange Township, county of
Essex, state of New Jersey, correcting

1588
02:55:05,279 --> 02:55:12,800
triveners errors within the main street
redevelopment and rehabilitation plan in

1589
02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:18,640
accordance with the local redevelopment
and housing law NJSA48

1590
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:22,479
col2A-1.
Are there any citizens who wish to

1591
02:55:21,359 --> 02:55:24,800
comment?
>> Alicia, 487 Mountain View.

1592
02:55:24,006 --> 02:55:28,560
[clears throat]
So, can you explain what significant

1593
02:55:27,040 --> 02:55:32,720
change this will have on the plan when
it comes to setbacks, restrictions, or

1594
02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:38,120
permitted uses? What is it allowing or
not allowing right now that a change was

1595
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:38,120
requested?

1596
02:55:43,120 --> 02:55:48,640
» All this is doing is correcting a minor
scrivener's error.

1597
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:53,359
» Yeah. What is that?
the writer wrote it wrong.

1598
02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:57,680
In other words, the planner said
something and when they drafted the

1599
02:55:55,120 --> 02:56:01,520
document, they drafted it not in
accordance with what the planner said,

1600
02:55:59,520 --> 02:56:08,399
» which was
>> it has to do with

1601
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:16,319
use of a facility on the first floor and
having something above it. So it it

1602
02:56:13,200 --> 02:56:21,439
basically said, if I remember correctly,
that you couldn't have, for example, a

1603
02:56:19,040 --> 02:56:26,880
restaurant on the first floor if there
were second and third stories above the

1604
02:56:24,640 --> 02:56:30,160
above the restaurant, and that was not
what was intended by the planner. Right.

1605
02:56:28,960 --> 02:56:33,680
» So that was corrected.
>> No, that answers my question. The word

1606
02:56:32,399 --> 02:56:37,560
the whole thing didn't have any
explanations. Thank you.

1607
02:56:37,760 --> 02:56:43,359
» Any other citizens?
Is there a motion to close citizen

1608
02:56:42,560 --> 02:56:47,600
comments?
>> Motion second.

1609
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:52,640
» Motion to close citizens comments was
made by council vice president Matthew

1610
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:57,600
the third. Second by councilwoman Een.
All those in favor vote by saying I.

1611
02:56:55,760 --> 02:57:00,880
» Citizens comments closed. Is there a
motion on the floor?

1612
02:56:59,520 --> 02:57:05,600
» Move it. Ross.
>> Second. Wooten.

1613
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:09,439
» Motion by Councilman Ross. Second by
council president Wooten. On the motion.

1614
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:11,040
Roll call. Councilman Coley,
>> yes.

1615
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:12,880
» Councilwoman N,
>> yes.

1616
02:57:11,279 --> 02:57:14,720
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council
Vice President Mi Third,

1617
02:57:14,399 --> 02:57:18,160
» yes.
>> Councilwoman Ross, yes. Councilwoman

1618
02:57:16,319 --> 02:57:21,479
Summers Johnson is absent, and Council
President Wooten.

1619
02:57:22,479 --> 02:57:27,279
» Mhm. Council President Wooten.
>> Yes.

1620
02:57:24,880 --> 02:57:32,479
» Thank you. That's five years, two
absence. This has been approved.

1621
02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:37,680
Ordinance on introduction. First
reading. Ordinance 27-2026.

1622
02:57:35,680 --> 02:57:43,040
an ordinance amending ordinance number
21-20 2017 and an ordinance number

1623
02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:47,840
15-2020
relating to the salaries and certain

1624
02:57:45,279 --> 02:57:53,520
employees of the city of Orange Township
uh sponsored by council member Clifford

1625
02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:59,600
RS amended is there a motion
>> move Wooten second

1626
02:57:56,399 --> 02:58:04,880
» there motion by council president Wooten
second by council vice president Mer the

1627
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:07,200
third on the motion roll call council
manoli Yes.

1628
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:09,600
» Councilwoman Eastston.
>> Yes.

1629
02:58:07,439 --> 02:58:12,479
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council
Councilman Margie the third. Yes.

1630
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:16,240
» Councilman Ross. Yes.
>> Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.

1631
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:20,040
Council President Wooten.
>> Abstain.

1632
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:20,040
» Abstain.

1633
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:30,240
That is four years. One abstain, two
absence. This is approved.

1634
02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:35,520
Consent agenda.
All items listed with an asterisk are

1635
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:39,840
considered to be routine by the city
council and will be enacted by one

1636
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:44,160
motion. There will be no separate
discussion of these items unless a

1637
02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:47,279
council member so request in which event
the item will be removed from the

1638
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:52,880
general order of business and consider
in its normal sequence of on the agenda.

1639
02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:57,040
Are there any council members who wish
to remove a resolution for a separate

1640
02:58:55,200 --> 02:59:01,640
vote?
>> I do.

1641
02:58:57,680 --> 02:59:01,640
» Yes, ma'am. 319

1642
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:06,040
329

1643
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:09,640
332

1644
02:59:10,800 --> 02:59:14,200
might be it

1645
02:59:25,439 --> 02:59:30,240
328
Anyone

1646
02:59:29,600 --> 02:59:34,240
else?
>> Yes. Um, council president.

1647
02:59:33,760 --> 02:59:36,720
» Okay.
>> I'm sorry, Councilman Ross.

1648
02:59:35,600 --> 02:59:41,520
» 320.
>> 320.

1649
02:59:38,399 --> 02:59:44,520
» Um, did you say 332?
>> Yes.

1650
02:59:47,840 --> 02:59:58,319
» Anyone else?
>> Okay. The consent agenda consists of

1651
02:59:53,439 --> 03:00:11,120
321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 330,
331, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339,

1652
03:00:05,040 --> 03:00:16,000
340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347,
348, and 349. Is there a motion to adopt

1653
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:21,520
the consent agenda?
>> Motion to adopt the consent agenda.

1654
03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:25,840
» Second, Coley. Motion by Councilman Maru
the third. Second by Councilman Coley.

1655
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:27,200
On the motion. Roll call. Councilman
Coley.

1656
03:00:26,560 --> 03:00:30,240
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Een. Yes.

1657
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:32,960
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent.
Councilman Mu the third. Yes.

1658
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:36,080
» Councilman Ross. Yes.
>> Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.

1659
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:39,040
Council President Wooten.
>> Yes.

1660
03:00:36,479 --> 03:00:45,680
» That's five years, two absence. The
consent agenda has been approved. We

1661
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:50,640
will go back to resolution 319-2026.
A resolution of the municipal council of

1662
03:00:47,439 --> 03:00:55,760
the city of Orange Township recognizing
and honoring deputy fire chief Nelson

1663
03:00:53,279 --> 03:00:59,359
Rivera tour to city of Orange Township
Fire Department and his outstanding

1664
03:00:57,200 --> 03:01:04,479
generosity and dedicated service to the
to the residents of Orange Township.

1665
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:10,319
Introduced by Council President Adrien
Wooten. Is there a motion? Move Wooten.

1666
03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:14,399
» Second Ross.
>> Motion by Council President Wooten.

1667
03:01:12,720 --> 03:01:18,240
Second by Councilman Ross. on the
motion.

1668
03:01:15,840 --> 03:01:22,960
» I just stand with what I said earlier
about him giving and always giving to

1669
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:27,279
our town. Um, and I just want to thank
him and his family and his daughter for

1670
03:01:25,120 --> 03:01:32,000
it. Um, I know it takes a lot to be a
fireman, fire official, and a police

1671
03:01:29,439 --> 03:01:35,920
officer. And they give a lot of time in
his job as well as outside of his job

1672
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:40,800
for the city of Orange Township. So, I
just want to say thank you. Anyone else

1673
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:44,720
on the motion?
Roll call. Councilman Coley.

1674
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:48,479
» Yes. Councilwoman E.
>> Yes.

1675
03:01:45,120 --> 03:01:51,840
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent.
>> Councilman

1676
03:01:50,479 --> 03:01:55,439
Monu the third.
>> Councilman Ross. Yes.

1677
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:57,520
» Councilman Summons Johnson is absent.
And council president Wooten.

1678
03:01:57,200 --> 03:02:02,479
» Yes.
>> That's five years, two absence. This

1679
03:01:59,439 --> 03:02:05,920
passes. Resolution 320-2026,
a resolution of the municipal council of

1680
03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:10,800
the city of Orange Township honoring and
celebrating the class of 2026 introduced

1681
03:02:08,479 --> 03:02:15,040
by council president Adrien Wooten. Is
there a motion?

1682
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:19,600
» Motion. Second, Wooten.
>> Motion by Council Vice President Muy the

1683
03:02:18,240 --> 03:02:22,800
Third. Second by Council President
Wooten. On the motion,

1684
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:26,479
» on the motion,
>> Councilman Ross.

1685
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:32,399
» Yeah. I just um would like to extend my
sincere congratulations to the

1686
03:02:29,279 --> 03:02:37,680
graduating class of 2026
for their hard work, their dedication,

1687
03:02:34,479 --> 03:02:42,240
and perseverance.
um as they begin to meet the the next

1688
03:02:40,319 --> 03:02:48,640
chapter of their journey, I wish them
much success, happiness, and endless

1689
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:52,640
opportunities, and may their futures be
bright and filled with great

1690
03:02:50,080 --> 03:02:56,000
accomplishments. Congratulations to all
the graduates. Thank you, Council

1691
03:02:54,880 --> 03:03:00,279
President.
>> Uhhuh.

1692
03:02:56,479 --> 03:03:00,279
» Anyone else on the motion?

1693
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:03,920
» Roll call. Councilman Coley,
>> yes.

1694
03:03:02,880 --> 03:03:07,200
» Councilwoman Eston,
>> yes.

1695
03:03:04,319 --> 03:03:09,040
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council
me the third.

1696
03:03:08,720 --> 03:03:10,399
» Yes.
>> Councilman Ross,

1697
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:13,840
» yes.
>> Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.

1698
03:03:12,479 --> 03:03:19,279
Council President Wooten,
>> yes.

1699
03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:23,680
» That's five days to absence. This
passes.

1700
03:03:21,439 --> 03:03:26,680
Uh resolution
328-206.

1701
03:03:27,520 --> 03:03:37,760
The amendment needs to state that
uh Dr. Fatima Turner will be fulfilling

1702
03:03:34,800 --> 03:03:44,560
the unexpired term of Ashanti Connor
expiring on February 14th, 2029. Is

1703
03:03:42,399 --> 03:03:48,160
there a motion to accept the resolution
as amended?

1704
03:03:46,399 --> 03:03:52,560
» Motion.
>> Second.

1705
03:03:50,319 --> 03:03:57,920
» Motion by Councilman Moni the third,
second by Council President Wooten. On

1706
03:03:55,040 --> 03:04:00,000
the motion, roll call. Councilman Coley,
>> yes.

1707
03:03:58,240 --> 03:04:03,439
» Councilwoman Een,
>> yes. Yes. Councilwoman Hilbert is

1708
03:04:01,680 --> 03:04:06,720
absent. Cap.
>> Councilman Ross. Yes. Councilwoman

1709
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:08,479
Summers Johnson is absent. Council
President Wooten.

1710
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:14,319
» Yes.
>> That's five years to absence. This

1711
03:04:10,880 --> 03:04:20,000
passes resolution 329-2026
resolution in support of full and

1712
03:04:16,880 --> 03:04:25,840
expanded funding for the New Jersey
Child Care Assistance Program NJCCAP

1713
03:04:23,120 --> 03:04:30,319
sponsored by Council Member Quantavia El
Hilbert and the Municipal CL Council. on

1714
03:04:28,399 --> 03:04:34,399
the mo uh is there a motion?
>> Move it. Ross

1715
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:39,200
» second. Wooten.
>> Moved by Councilman Ross, second by

1716
03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:46,399
Council President Wooten. on the motion.
>> I just um wanted to say to the families

1717
03:04:43,359 --> 03:04:57,279
like this is a very important um deal
and I totally um am honored to support

1718
03:04:52,000 --> 03:05:05,600
this legislation and I hope that it um
is raised and I hope um that nothing

1719
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:08,399
happens where it's stalled. So,
>> Council President,

1720
03:05:06,720 --> 03:05:13,680
» Councilwoman East.
>> Yeah. I And I also want to say to each

1721
03:05:10,560 --> 03:05:18,160
of you, if you have not done so, please
reach out to your legislators, your

1722
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:22,560
congressmen, your senators, even the
governor, write them letters and let

1723
03:05:20,000 --> 03:05:27,359
them know that you want this because you
need that reduction, the extra money for

1724
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:32,399
child care. So, make sure you have your
community write letters and flood them

1725
03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:39,040
because then they will pay attention to
what you're trying to do.

1726
03:05:36,160 --> 03:05:40,399
» Anyone else on a motion? Roll call.
Council Kohley.

1727
03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:41,920
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman N.

1728
03:05:41,600 --> 03:05:45,520
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Hilbert is absent. Council

1729
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:48,640
Vice President Monica the third.
>> Yes.

1730
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:51,520
» Councilman Ross. Councilwoman Summers
Johnson is absent. Council President

1731
03:05:50,880 --> 03:05:54,479
Wooten.
>> Yes.

1732
03:05:52,160 --> 03:06:01,080
» That's five yays, two absences. This
passes resolution

1733
03:05:58,080 --> 03:06:01,080
» 3

1734
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:05,720
uh resolution 332-2026

1735
03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:11,840
a resolution of the municipal council of
the city of Orange Township, Essex

1736
03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:16,080
County, New Jersey, appointing
Christopher L. Murray as municipal tax

1737
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:19,680
assessor for the city of Orange
Township. Is there a motion?

1738
03:06:18,720 --> 03:06:24,640
» Motion Coley.
>> Second, Wooten.

1739
03:06:22,640 --> 03:06:30,800
Motion by Councilman Coley, second by
Council President Wooten. On the motion,

1740
03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:34,960
» is it all right if if um Mr. Murray
comes up and makes a statement to us?

1741
03:06:32,880 --> 03:06:36,720
Can we do that on the motion?
>> Sure.

1742
03:06:35,600 --> 03:06:40,319
» Yeah.
>> But also, could I just say something

1743
03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:44,200
first? Mr. Murray, would you approach
the

1744
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:44,200
» up to the podium?

1745
03:06:47,840 --> 03:06:53,840
I just want to say thank you for
everything you do and for always

1746
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:57,520
returning phone calls
>> and when you in the office you always

1747
03:06:55,359 --> 03:07:01,200
answer your phone. So thank you for
supporting the city of Orange and and

1748
03:06:59,760 --> 03:07:05,200
still being here. Thank you.
>> I enjoy being with you. Really love it.

1749
03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:09,120
» I want to say the same thing like thank
you for whenever there's a question for

1750
03:07:07,120 --> 03:07:13,920
a senior freeze or anchor or anything
like that and a resident sends us sends

1751
03:07:11,359 --> 03:07:19,520
us an email and I email you. Thank you
for emailing me back with all of the

1752
03:07:16,720 --> 03:07:23,279
attachments that we can also send out to
the residents. I really really

1753
03:07:21,040 --> 03:07:28,240
appreciate it. And I see the work the
work that y'all do um with the state

1754
03:07:26,080 --> 03:07:32,560
when it um as it pertains to the school
board um those taxes. I don't know the

1755
03:07:31,120 --> 03:07:36,640
exact name of it, but I see the work
that you and a city attorney does and

1756
03:07:34,800 --> 03:07:39,840
totally appreciate that too. So, thank
you so much for that. You're

1757
03:07:38,000 --> 03:07:44,880
» welcome. Appreciate it.
>> Um yes. on the motion.

1758
03:07:42,560 --> 03:07:49,279
» Um Chris,
you've been doing a great job. I

1759
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:54,560
appreciate everything you've done and
will continue to do. But um for full

1760
03:07:52,319 --> 03:07:58,880
transparency, you know, for folks that
don't know you, you know, could you just

1761
03:07:56,560 --> 03:08:03,600
tell us a little bit about what a tax
assessor does and what your department

1762
03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:07,920
does? Um what accomplishments you have
made and what compliments you attend to

1763
03:08:06,399 --> 03:08:11,840
fulfill in the future?
>> Of course. So the role

1764
03:08:09,439 --> 03:08:14,080
» step up to the mic because can't hear
you.

1765
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:19,040
» Sorry. Uh the role of the tax assessor
is we're we determine um assessments for

1766
03:08:17,120 --> 03:08:22,319
property tax. So in the state of New
Jersey, we have an advorum tax system.

1767
03:08:20,960 --> 03:08:26,399
So you're basically taxed based on
property value. So when we determine an

1768
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:29,520
assessment, we have to do a market
analysis. So we look at sales in a

1769
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:33,120
particular sampling period and and
basically comp it out just like an

1770
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:36,960
appraisal. And also which complicates
the issue a little bit more is we have a

1771
03:08:35,120 --> 03:08:41,600
um a ratio to deal with. So we have to
kind of keep our assessments in uniform

1772
03:08:39,600 --> 03:08:44,720
because we don't reassess every year. So
if we determine an assessment

1773
03:08:43,120 --> 03:08:48,960
hypothetically in 2026, we have to kind
of keep it in line with when we did the

1774
03:08:46,399 --> 03:08:54,560
reval in 2022. So we have to apply the
ratio to that market value. Um regarding

1775
03:08:52,000 --> 03:08:59,680
accomplishments, um council president
touched on it. Our biggest uh feats that

1776
03:08:57,200 --> 03:09:05,359
we've done was uh successfully sue the
division of taxation and get um

1777
03:09:02,560 --> 03:09:10,800
overrides in our ratio. those increases
in the the ratio help save um the

1778
03:09:08,560 --> 03:09:15,120
residents here in county taxes towards
the county and it's it's pretty

1779
03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:20,479
substantial the four times we've done it
accumulatively if we've saved roughly $3

1780
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:26,399
million but that's just based off of the
the first year you have to keep in mind

1781
03:09:22,720 --> 03:09:29,920
when we do um a county aortionment it
kind of like we we're resetting it back

1782
03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:34,479
to the base hypothetically if we have to
contribute $10 million to the county um

1783
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:38,399
we challenge the ratio we bring it down
85 so like $8 million just for their

1784
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:42,080
example like that would be our new base
versus not challenging it then our

1785
03:09:40,240 --> 03:09:47,040
county aortionment would be 10 million
so every year it keeps going up we're

1786
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:52,399
kind of like delaying like that increase
um future goals for the department it's

1787
03:09:50,399 --> 03:09:56,560
just you know transparency and just
giving um the residents you know

1788
03:09:55,200 --> 03:10:00,080
information about the real estate market
I'm really real estate based I really

1789
03:09:58,720 --> 03:10:04,399
don't do too much with like property
taxes but if anybody has any questions

1790
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:08,720
about the real estate market, you know,
um sales in their neighborhood or what's

1791
03:10:06,479 --> 03:10:12,000
just going on across the the board. Like
I'm a really good source of information

1792
03:10:10,240 --> 03:10:16,240
for and I can give spreadsheets. I love
spreadsheets. I give spreadsheets to

1793
03:10:13,359 --> 03:10:18,880
everybody. Um if they just, you know,
just ask for it, I'll give it to them.

1794
03:10:17,840 --> 03:10:22,240
Yeah.
>> Thank you. And you have my full support.

1795
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:27,520
» Thank you.
>> Absolutely.

1796
03:10:24,240 --> 03:10:29,920
» Anyone else on a motion?
>> Roll call. Councilman Coley.

1797
03:10:29,600 --> 03:10:32,720
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman E.

1798
03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:35,439
» Yes. Councilwoman Hbert is absent.
Council Vice President Wati,

1799
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:38,319
» yes.
>> Counciloman Ross, yes.

1800
03:10:36,479 --> 03:10:41,439
» Councilwoman Summers Johnson is absent.
Councilwoman, Council President Wooten,

1801
03:10:40,800 --> 03:10:46,720
» yes.
>> That's five years, two absent

1802
03:10:44,080 --> 03:10:51,040
» and another
from the audience. This passes. Thank

1803
03:10:49,279 --> 03:10:55,040
you so much,
>> Council Councilwoman E. It was a

1804
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:58,080
pleasure working with you and I hope you
have, you know, enjoy the next chapter

1805
03:10:56,560 --> 03:11:02,800
of your life and travel. Travel as much
as you can. [laughter]

1806
03:10:59,520 --> 03:11:08,720
» Absolutely. Thank you.
>> Okay, council members, on your desk, you

1807
03:11:07,120 --> 03:11:12,520
have
uh three walk-ons.

1808
03:11:12,880 --> 03:11:20,960
Three
out of order here. Got my out of order.

1809
03:11:18,479 --> 03:11:23,960
One sec.
Okay.

1810
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:31,439
Resolution 350-2026
WOO. A resolution honoring the life and

1811
03:11:29,120 --> 03:11:37,040
legacy of David Marshall, sponsored by
council member Welen and Maru thei and

1812
03:11:34,240 --> 03:11:44,800
the city of Orange Township Municipal
Council. Um, resolution 351-2026WO,

1813
03:11:42,960 --> 03:11:52,479
a resolution allowing the city of Orange
Township to deposit 446,000

1814
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:57,520
into an A NJ Transit building department
escrow account for payments that will be

1815
03:11:54,640 --> 03:12:02,880
due to NJ
Transit for their work on the city of

1816
03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:09,200
Orange Township's Highland Avenue train
station. Resolution 352-2026

1817
03:12:07,439 --> 03:12:13,600
WO, a resolution of the municipal
council at the city of of the city of

1818
03:12:11,359 --> 03:12:17,760
Orange Township, county of Essex, state
of New Jersey, authorizing and directing

1819
03:12:15,439 --> 03:12:21,439
the planning board to study the scatter
sites redevelopment area in order to

1820
03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:26,319
determine whether it should remain
designated as an area in need of

1821
03:12:23,920 --> 03:12:30,880
redevelopment and further directing the
planning board to hold a public hearing,

1822
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:35,200
report to the municipal count municipal
council and prepare any proposed

1823
03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:39,680
amendments. ments to the scattered sites
redevelopment plan as deemed

1824
03:12:37,520 --> 03:12:43,279
appropriate. Can I get a motion to walk
these three resolutions on to the

1825
03:12:42,560 --> 03:12:46,800
agenda?
>> Motion

1826
03:12:45,040 --> 03:12:51,840
» to walk these on.
>> Motion to walk on these three

1827
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:55,279
resolutions to the agenda was made by
council vice president Migu the third.

1828
03:12:53,520 --> 03:12:59,680
Second by council president Wooten. On
the motion

1829
03:12:57,760 --> 03:13:02,399
all those in favor vote by saying I.
>> I.

1830
03:13:00,399 --> 03:13:07,040
» Any opposed?
This has been adopted. The three

1831
03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:14,080
resolutions have been walked onto the
agenda. I'm going to take one vote to

1832
03:13:10,319 --> 03:13:19,760
I'll read them again to the record
so we can take a vote on them.

1833
03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:25,200
» Yeah, I need to talk.
>> Okay, no problem. We'll do them. We'll

1834
03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:32,760
do them separately. Yes, ma'am.
>> No problem. Okay. Uh resolutions

1835
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:32,760
350-

1836
03:13:36,880 --> 03:13:39,880
Motion

1837
03:13:41,120 --> 03:13:44,560
» Monty
>> and second

1838
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:48,479
» Een.
>> Thank you. Motion by Council Vice

1839
03:13:46,560 --> 03:13:52,560
President Mu. Second by Councilwoman
Een. On the motion.

1840
03:13:50,640 --> 03:13:55,120
» Roll call. Councilman Coley.
>> Yes.

1841
03:13:52,880 --> 03:13:56,880
» Councilman Councilwoman Een.
>> Yes.

1842
03:13:55,439 --> 03:13:59,200
» Councilwoman Hilbert is absent.
Councilman Maria the third.

1843
03:13:58,960 --> 03:14:02,239
» Yes.
>> Counciloman Ross. Yes. Councilwoman

1844
03:14:00,720 --> 03:14:04,399
Summers Johnson is asking. Council
President Wooten,

1845
03:14:03,120 --> 03:14:08,399
» yes.
>> That's five years, two absences. This

1846
03:14:06,319 --> 03:14:11,399
has been approved. Resolution
351-2026WO.

1847
03:14:16,080 --> 03:14:23,120
a resolution allowing the city of Orange
Township to deposit $46,000 into a New

1848
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:27,680
Jersey Transit building department
escrow account for payments that will be

1849
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:31,760
due to New Jersey Transit for their work
on the city of Orange Township's

1850
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:34,319
Highland Avenue train station. Is there
a motion?

1851
03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:37,920
» Movement Ross.
>> Second, E.

1852
03:14:35,520 --> 03:14:41,920
» Moved by Councilman Ross, second by
Councilwoman Een on the motion. Roll

1853
03:14:40,640 --> 03:14:43,920
call. Counciloman Coley,
>> yes.

1854
03:14:42,319 --> 03:14:48,080
» Councilwoman Een,
>> yes. Yes. Councilwoman Hill Hilbert is

1855
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:50,880
absent. Councilman Mari the third. Yes.
Councilman Ross. Yes.

1856
03:14:49,359 --> 03:14:58,160
» Councilwoman
Summers Johnson is absent. Council

1857
03:14:53,840 --> 03:15:03,120
» Council Council President Wen.
>> Yes. Thank you, ma'am. That's five

1858
03:15:00,239 --> 03:15:08,560
years, two absences. I got hot. This
passes. Resolution

1859
03:15:06,399 --> 03:15:11,760
352-2026
WOO. a resolution of the municipal

1860
03:15:10,239 --> 03:15:14,880
council of the city of Orange Township,
County of Essex, state of New Jersey,

1861
03:15:13,279 --> 03:15:18,479
authorizing and directing the planning
board to study the scatteriz

1862
03:15:16,319 --> 03:15:22,800
redevelopment area in order to determine
whether it should remain designated as

1863
03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:27,120
an area in need of redevelopment and
further directing the planning board to

1864
03:15:24,960 --> 03:15:31,120
hold a public hearing, report to the
municipal council, and prepare a any

1865
03:15:29,359 --> 03:15:35,359
proposed amendments to the scattered
sites redevelopment plan as deemed

1866
03:15:33,200 --> 03:15:36,960
appropriate. Is there a motion?
>> Move it.

1867
03:15:36,479 --> 03:15:41,680
» Second.
>> Second to you. Moved by Councilman Ross,

1868
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:45,840
second by Council Vice President Marty
the third. On the motion.

1869
03:15:42,960 --> 03:15:50,000
» On the motion.
>> Just me.

1870
03:15:47,200 --> 03:15:55,040
» Yeah. Um I'm fully in agreement with
this u Mr. BA, but can we put some time

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restrictions on this?
>> Well,

1872
03:15:56,730 --> 03:15:58,750
[clears throat]

1873
03:15:59,200 --> 03:16:04,399
it has to be directed to the planning
board and there are certain procedures

1874
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:08,560
they have to follow. So, I can ask them
to move it as quickly as possible, but I

1875
03:16:07,359 --> 03:16:15,160
don't think you can put time
restrictions on another body's um

1876
03:16:12,160 --> 03:16:15,160
deliberations.

1877
03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:21,120
» Okay. And and I only say that because,
you know, we had a conversation today.

1878
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:26,399
You know, there's other properties
that's on this list that, you know, is

1879
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:30,319
trying to do development as we speak.
And, you know, I'm trying to avoid that.

1880
03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:34,880
So that's [clears throat] why I asked
for some time frame or some time

1881
03:16:32,319 --> 03:16:41,600
restrictions so that this can get you
know um done.

1882
03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:48,960
» Yeah. I think um what we'll do is
for any that have not already gone

1883
03:16:44,239 --> 03:16:56,239
through the TRC process. Um,
we will probably discourage people who

1884
03:16:51,520 --> 03:17:00,399
come in with proposals to develop before
they go through the process and let them

1885
03:16:58,720 --> 03:17:04,720
know that we're looking at making
amendments to the plan.

1886
03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:12,080
» Okay. Okay.
But we you so you we can't put like 60

1887
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:18,560
days 90 days on
>> Okay. Thank you.

1888
03:17:14,479 --> 03:17:25,120
So my question is, and this is a BA
question. It might be um attorney

1889
03:17:20,479 --> 03:17:30,880
Montilus's question. So I'm
along with some of my colleagues

1890
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:36,880
proposing an ordinance to look at the
setbacks

1891
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:43,040
um as they relate to all development,
but specifically scattered sites.

1892
03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:47,680
So how would that coincide? because this
is a resolution and I know once I do the

1893
03:17:45,520 --> 03:17:52,000
ordinance, the planning board will have
to get back to me in about 35 days with

1894
03:17:50,160 --> 03:17:55,299
an answer and they're going to look to
see if it's

1895
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:58,239
» at the um the um what's
[cough and clears throat] the big plan?

1896
03:17:57,760 --> 03:18:04,479
» M
>> the master plan, right? So,

1897
03:18:01,840 --> 03:18:09,200
how would that ordinance
coincide or be affected with this if

1898
03:18:07,680 --> 03:18:13,760
they're already going to be looking at
scattered sites?

1899
03:18:11,279 --> 03:18:19,680
because we we don't want anyone to have
a piece of property where the setbacks

1900
03:18:17,760 --> 03:18:25,680
are zero
and a high-rise building is built zero

1901
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:32,479
at someone's property. So, we want to
possibly change the setbacks, but we

1902
03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:39,680
looking at doing it like percentage-wise
instead of saying like 20 ft or 10 ft.

1903
03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:47,319
Cuz if you do percentage wise, then you
can give the property owner the best

1904
03:18:42,160 --> 03:18:47,319
outcome. Does it make sense?

1905
03:18:48,997 --> 03:18:55,279
» [laughter]
>> I I've never seen setbacks set by

1906
03:18:53,520 --> 03:18:57,680
percentage. So, I'd have to look into
that.

1907
03:18:56,160 --> 03:19:00,319
» I can come to your office and explain
it. Okay. You're probably going to make

1908
03:18:59,680 --> 03:19:03,120
all
>> I mean,

1909
03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:09,439
» um, but we just don't want like what
happened on Lindsley place to happen

1910
03:19:05,520 --> 03:19:15,200
again. So, we probably are going to look
at changing the setbacks, but also like

1911
03:19:12,399 --> 03:19:22,399
for example,
say you have a house on ABC Street and

1912
03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:26,080
and a house that lives said Daffy Duck
lives here and Donald Duck lives right

1913
03:19:24,080 --> 03:19:31,200
beside Daffy and something happens to
Donald Duck's house. We don't want a

1914
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:37,120
developer to buy that as a scattered
site and then come and build a fourstory

1915
03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:43,680
building when all of the houses on the
streets are two stories.

1916
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:48,160
» So, we want to do an ordinance
to minimize those things, but how would

1917
03:19:46,640 --> 03:19:53,600
that
coincide or how would that affect this

1918
03:19:51,680 --> 03:20:00,120
or how would this affect an ordinance
which will be ready for the next council

1919
03:19:55,279 --> 03:20:00,120
meeting? So, um,

1920
03:20:01,680 --> 03:20:06,720
if you're looking solely at scattered
sites,

1921
03:20:05,520 --> 03:20:09,359
» you won't look at all
>> and you want to look at all the

1922
03:20:07,760 --> 03:20:12,560
redevelopment claims.
>> It's not going to be as simple as doing

1923
03:20:11,120 --> 03:20:19,200
an ordinance.
>> Um, because that would be an amendment

1924
03:20:16,319 --> 03:20:21,840
to each redevelopment plan going
forward,

1925
03:20:20,160 --> 03:20:24,479
» right? But it would still be an
amendment to each redevelopment plan.

1926
03:20:23,920 --> 03:20:28,720
» Um,
>> and a master plan possibly.

1927
03:20:27,359 --> 03:20:31,840
» I don't even think you can amend the
master plan.

1928
03:20:29,680 --> 03:20:38,080
» Chris, Chris,
>> can we quick question based on and I

1929
03:20:34,720 --> 03:20:42,080
guess Mont I don't know. I think I
understand what you understand what

1930
03:20:39,520 --> 03:20:45,680
council Wooten is saying but in all of
the experiences of being I think that

1931
03:20:43,840 --> 03:20:52,399
needs to be discussed with the planning
board of attorney because of the simple

1932
03:20:49,040 --> 03:20:58,080
reason that there are variances that you
can request that can be approved. So I

1933
03:20:56,479 --> 03:21:03,040
think that should something that should
be brought up to the planning board have

1934
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:09,200
their attorney in land use and zoning to
look at that to see if it's possible for

1935
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:13,920
the council to legislate that because
keep in mind land use comes from the

1936
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:18,640
state. So
I think you might want to get that

1937
03:21:15,760 --> 03:21:24,000
question offer that question to that or
Mr. Hazel who is

1938
03:21:22,239 --> 03:21:28,960
but Mr. Hazel probably could give you
some guidance on that also.

1939
03:21:26,319 --> 03:21:34,880
» So this is what I would I would
recommend. Um

1940
03:21:32,160 --> 03:21:40,319
you move forward with this resolution
and I huddle up with the law department

1941
03:21:38,080 --> 03:21:45,680
and the planning board attorney and the
planning department to see how we best

1942
03:21:42,880 --> 03:21:50,080
accomplish what you want to accomplish
which is a revisitation of all of the

1943
03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:56,640
setback requirements in every
redevelopment plan. Can can So at that

1944
03:21:54,080 --> 03:21:59,600
some point could councilman Ross and I
sit down with

1945
03:21:58,479 --> 03:22:04,239
» Can't hear you.
>> I said at some point would could

1946
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:09,120
councilman Ross and I sit down with I
guess the planning board or whomever we

1947
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:12,640
need to sit down with regarding this is
and another council member. So would it

1948
03:22:10,880 --> 03:22:16,239
be three of us?
>> Yeah. I think I I don't think it needs

1949
03:22:14,800 --> 03:22:21,600
to be the planning board. I think it
needs to be the internal working group

1950
03:22:19,120 --> 03:22:26,720
that we put together so that we can come
up with a process that will achieve what

1951
03:22:25,520 --> 03:22:30,720
you want to achieve.
>> Okay.

1952
03:22:28,560 --> 03:22:32,960
» Cuz I think there's going to have to be
a referral to the planning board.

1953
03:22:32,399 --> 03:22:38,160
» Mhm.
>> And there's going to have to be notice

1954
03:22:35,439 --> 03:22:42,560
» to property owners for the change in
zoning

1955
03:22:39,120 --> 03:22:48,800
» if I'm remembering correctly. and and
you know, don't take me at at

1956
03:22:46,160 --> 03:22:52,060
gospel
>> a week. [laughter]

1957
03:22:52,080 --> 03:22:58,000
» So, that's how I think you should
proceed

1958
03:22:55,359 --> 03:23:03,279
» and we can set that meeting up, you
know, this week if we need to.

1959
03:23:01,600 --> 03:23:07,760
» What are you thinking, Council Ross? You
look like you got

1960
03:23:05,600 --> 03:23:11,520
» Yeah, I like the idea and we need to sit
down and talk about it and hash this

1961
03:23:09,680 --> 03:23:17,120
thing out so it can make we can make it
happen. So, sure.

1962
03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:21,720
» Okay. So, still go forward with the
ordinance, but go forward with this

1963
03:23:18,720 --> 03:23:21,720
tonight.

1964
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:25,600
» Go ahead.
>> Okay.

1965
03:23:25,200 --> 03:23:30,399
» Anyone else?
>> Anybody else on the motion?

1966
03:23:28,239 --> 03:23:31,920
» Roll call. Councilman Coley.
>> Yes.

1967
03:23:30,880 --> 03:23:36,319
» Councilwoman E.
>> Yes. Councilwoman Hilbert is absent.

1968
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:37,680
Council Vice President Moni,
>> yes.

1969
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:40,479
» Councilman Ross,
>> yes.

1970
03:23:38,080 --> 03:23:43,279
» Councilwoman Summer Johnson is absent.
Council President Wooten,

1971
03:23:42,160 --> 03:23:49,279
» yes.
>> That's five years, two absences. This

1972
03:23:46,239 --> 03:23:52,560
passes. There are there's no old
business. Is there anything else for the

1973
03:23:50,960 --> 03:23:55,040
record for?
>> Okay.

1974
03:23:53,120 --> 03:23:59,120
» Before you close,
>> one one second. Councilman Ross

1975
03:23:57,520 --> 03:24:04,479
» was first. I'm sorry. Just want to say
again thanks to all of you. Um

1976
03:24:02,479 --> 03:24:09,279
appreciate you and I want to let them
know our CFO that we appreciate him

1977
03:24:06,560 --> 03:24:16,319
also. Thank you for always being there
that I come sit in your office and and

1978
03:24:12,160 --> 03:24:20,720
to our business administrator.
It's been great working with you. You

1979
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:25,120
know I'm not going away. So we'll be
talking. And to

1980
03:24:23,200 --> 03:24:29,600
turn my tell I think you play soccer
today. You look like you played soccer.

1981
03:24:26,640 --> 03:24:31,520
Did you? [laughter]
What?

1982
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:34,000
» I didn't play. I just watched soccer
court.

1983
03:24:31,840 --> 03:24:39,040
» I just watched.
>> Thank you for uh always taking my phone

1984
03:24:36,479 --> 03:24:43,760
calls. Thank you also. Just continue to
be a good team. Big good team.

1985
03:24:41,439 --> 03:24:48,800
» Yeah. And I just wanted to give you this
from the council. This is a small token

1986
03:24:46,399 --> 03:24:53,520
of our appreciation for all that you
have done for us. All you what you have

1987
03:24:51,680 --> 03:24:59,359
done for the city and especially the
north ward. You know we're going to miss

1988
03:24:55,600 --> 03:25:04,880
your big mouth. Okay. So, we love you
and we support you and best of luck in

1989
03:25:02,000 --> 03:25:09,920
your next chapter of your life.
>> And I have some cupcakes for everybody.

1990
03:25:07,359 --> 03:25:13,120
So, don't leave. Have some cupcakes and
you know, you can continue to say

1991
03:25:11,439 --> 03:25:17,200
goodbye to her if you like to.
>> Do we have champagne?

1992
03:25:14,800 --> 03:25:21,160
» No.
>> Call it chambers.

1993
03:25:22,160 --> 03:25:28,640
» Anyone else?
Is there a motion to adjurnn?

1994
03:25:26,560 --> 03:25:31,680
» Motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion to adjurnn by Councilwoman Een.

1995
03:25:30,800 --> 03:25:35,600
Second by
>> Second Coley.

1996
03:25:32,720 --> 03:25:38,960
» Second by Councilman Kohley. On the
motion, all those in favor vote by

1997
03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:46,399
saying I.
>> Any oppose? We stand adjourned at 9:41

1998
03:25:43,600 --> 03:25:50,319
p.m. The next scheduled municipal
council conference meeting and regular

1999
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:56,319
meeting will be held on Wednesday, July
1st, 2026, following inauguration and

2000
03:25:52,560 --> 03:25:56,319
reorganization meeting at Monte

2001
03:25:57,040 --> 03:26:06,279
at the Monty Irving Comedy Community
Center in Orange Park. Thank you and

2002
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:06,279
have a wonderful night.