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Okay, welcome to the Monday, October 9th, 2023 city council meeting here in Orno. I know that all council members are present tonight. We always start with the Pledge of Allegiance, so I welcome you to stand and face the flag. Such

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allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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All right. Thank you for that. Next has the approval of the agenda, and before we get to the approval of the agenda, I just wanted to take a quick moment of silence for the atrocities that have happened in the state of Israel and all the bad things that have happened.

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All right. Thank you for that. Okay. Next is the approval of the agenda. And on it, we will vote on everything that's on the agenda with one vote.

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And I'll go through the list before we vote on it to see if there's any things that people

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want taken off the list for consent.

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We'd like to start with the consent agenda tonight.

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I'll take care of it this evening.

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Item number 9 and 10 were requested to be pulled by Council Member Benson and I'm looking

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to add item number 14 and item number 16 to the consent.

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Is there anything else besides that?

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So what we've got on the consent tonight is number one, the City Council meeting minutes

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of September 25th.

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We have two of the City Council work session minutes of September 25th.

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We have three claims and bills.

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We have four approval of interphone loan and transfers.

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We have five approval of non-waver of tort limits, resolution number 7412.

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Number six, we have approval of rental license.

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Number seven, we have approval of the next work session agenda.

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Number eight, we have approval of Minnesota Department of Public Safety Grant Resolution

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Number 74-13.

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We're pulling nine and ten and we'll put those down under the fire report.

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Number 11 is LA-23-47, Eric Way, 22-45 French Lake Road Barriences Resolution Number 74-14.

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Number 12 is LA-23-48, share at design, 35-48 ivy place, lot area, lot width, and hardcover

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variances. Resolution number 74-08. 13 is LA-23-52, Revis Stevenson. 37-60 Watertown

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Road Variance Resolution number 74-09. We're adding number 14, which is LA-23-26, as

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on behalf of Dean and Heidi Martinson, 26-05 North Shore Drive Variance Resolution number 7410,

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and we're adding number 16, which is LA-23-49, Stonewood on behalf of Michael Gorman,

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3,001 Casco Point Road, Average Lake Shore Setback Variance Resolution number 7411.

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Is there any of these items on here that we're going to be voting on that anybody wants to have taken off tonight?

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Seeing none, I have a motion. Do I have a second?

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All right, so I can count some from Johnson.

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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No, that passes 5-0.

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Okay, that'll bring us to our community development report, which we will have number 15,

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which is LA-23-46, Rebecca Holzum, 34-07 East Lake Street variants.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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Just a moment and I will pull up the plans in the area here.

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Good evening.

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This application is regarding variances from average lakes or setback, 75 foot setback,

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hard cover within the 75 foot setback, overall hard cover, all for

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the construction of a 280 square foot deck that you can see on your screen.

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The subject property, 34-07 East Lake Street, is located a few locks away from Stubz Bay.

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Let's see on the aerial here.

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However, the OHWL extends onto the property, considering it to be a lake lot, and making

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it subject to not only the 75-foot setback, but also the average lake shore setback.

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The lot is extremely substandard in size.

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It's under 5,000 total square feet where the minimum required for the zoning

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district is two acres. There's an existing home on the property and it is within

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75-foot setback. It's also over the allowable hardcover. Variances for this were

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approved back in 2005 and the house was constructed.

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The existing home just

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This currently does not have any outdoor living space of any kind.

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The previous resolution back in 2005, Resolution 5222,

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specifically did state that the deck, that any type of deck design or outdoor space was foregone in order to minimize the hardcover request.

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The current request today is for 280 square foot deck that encroaches not only in the 75 foot setback,

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for the site, from 27% to 35%.

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Staff finds that the property does have some practical difficulties in the small size

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of the property and the lack of building envelope.

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Staff finds that a request for outdoor living space when there is none is a reasonable request.

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And staff also finds that the encroachment into the average lecture setback does not impact

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the neighboring view of the lake.

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That being said, the increase in hardcover percentages substantial and the previously approved

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variance was specific to state that no deck was permitted and future expansion of any

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hardcover would likely not be supported.

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Staff is not supported of the requested deck size without any other reduction in hardcover.

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The Planning Commission held public hearing on September 18th.

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The Planning Commission noted that the project is not out of character for the neighborhood

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and believe that there were practical difficulties in place.

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The commission had a split vote, ultimately recommending approval by a vote of 4 to 2.

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A member of the public was also there in spoken favor of the project.

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Staff has not received any additional comments except for the neighbor acknowledgement forms.

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Staff is requesting City Council review the application.

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I believe the homeowner was also the applicant is here tonight.

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Staff is recommending denial of this recommendation.

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I'm here for any questions as well.

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Any questions for staff?

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Is the homeowner here like to come up and talk about their project?

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You see your name and address, it'd be great.

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Thanks.

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My name is Rebecca Holzon.

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I live at 3407 East Lake Street.

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When I originally purchased the house in 1996,

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There was a very small cabin on the property with a small garage, a one car garage that was

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along the creek. And I went to the city back in 2004, worked with the city, met all

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of the side variances, et cetera. Although it's stated in the documents that I

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If you look at the minutes from the August 14, 2004 planning commission, there was conversation during that meeting that I anticipated to eventually add a deck on to the property.

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Apparently that was not noted in various communications since I've started this process.

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My process is two parts, when I built the house, the city, I don't know, inspectors reviewed

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my soil, said that the soil needed to be tested, I ended up spending over $45,000 to put

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helical piers under my house, which substantially will cause a lot of problems with the budget,

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let's put it that way.

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So, I ended up putting a vinyl side in my house, et cetera, and this project with the deck is also included in a project where I'm reciting the house and all the tram with hearty signing.

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And so, I wanted to work with this construction company to add a deck at this time.

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As mentioned, I am the only person on my neighborhood, the side of the street I live in, also across the street that does not have any outdoor living space.

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Never had a deck. All I have is a front driveway and that's not usable for entertaining, enjoying the outdoors.

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I did go through the neighborhood and on my side of the street I reviewed all the decks

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and patios that were in my neighbor's yards and I took measurements and the average

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square footage of those decks is actually over 300 square feet.

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So when you look at all the different properties and you can see up across there all of the

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decks pretty much run from one edge of the household to the next. I don't think I'm being greedy

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and asking for the size of deck that I am. Where the mere fact is, smaller deck would

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not allow for outdoor furniture such as sofa, chairs, table, chairs, and a grill. My house

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is extremely small. It's hard for me to entertain with such a small space so it would be nice to have

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the extra space outside or entertaining in the summer months. When I was sitting here during the

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planning councils or admissions meeting I found it interesting how some members disagreed but others

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strongly disagreed and they were most of them in agreement that the 2004-2005 approval

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of hardscape should not be a factor in this particular request since it's been almost

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20 years since that time, things have changed, rules have changed, etc.

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I guess I'm just very humbly asking that with, along with the planning commission who

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voted four to two in favor, that you all see and can acknowledge that during extended

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conversations, during the planning commission meeting, that you will agree as well.

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questions for the applicant.

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I have one with that.

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Can you go back to this?

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But I was with the average lake shore setback.

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If you had a deck that folded on itself

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and didn't come out as much,

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would that improve the lake shore setback?

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If you had it where it became down three

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and then turned and went back.

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So it didn't protrude all the way.

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Well, unfortunately, there is a patio door on the lower level.

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And if you tried to do that,

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it would block all views of the lake of the creek so you know we were very

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thoughtful in designing the deck and putting the stairs where they are to maximize

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the views from the interior of the house and also allow for that availability to

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go into the yard.

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line

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right there is the average. Yeah and also I did hurt the planning commission. One of the

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stipulations I guess in making their approval was that I go to the Mini-Haha Creek Watershed District

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and get pre-approved for permits. I did go to them and per the details with trade

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We need Jonas with the many how-how Creek Watershed District.

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I do not require permits.

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I'm not in a position where it would be detrimental to the creek.

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Anything else for the applicant?

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We want to call you back.

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Thanks.

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Any thoughts?

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It's always tough when someone has been in a built a house and said that they don't need

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But, you know, what a lot of people do is they want to maximize the house, so they just,

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because I've had houses that were built next to me, and they maximize the house, put no decks in.

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And the people who bought it came and said, where's my deck, and I go, you don't get a deck

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because they built such a big house, they wanted to maximize the house, and so, but then the rules

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changed a little bit since then in terms of the zero to 75 and the hardcover and how that's figured

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out, so then now they have a deck, because that has changed. But this is a really small lot.

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This is, I mean, is there lots even smaller than this?

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Not sure, but it is one of the smallest that I've seen.

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The way the creek comes back, is this actually considered a lakeshore as well?

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Yes, because the OHWL extends onto the property.

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We're taking the 75 from there. And the interesting thing is that they're only getting the average

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lake source that back from one of the neighboring properties, not both. But it is a unique

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line that is situated like this and it has to adhere to my

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neighbor to the west. Came to

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the city requested the build of a 20 by 20 garage. And if you look at that, where she's

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pointing right now, that is only 19.5 feet off of the creek, where the deck I'm proposing

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is more than 26 feet off of the creek.

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Were they replacing something that was there, or they built a brand new garage back there?

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There was no structure there at the time that they applied for their variance.

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They also changed the driveway.

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They were also asked to remove certain hardscapes, which they initially did, but they have

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since put back.

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And here's the thing, when I came to the city, it's like, I didn't want to just add a deck.

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And that was one of the comments in the August 14-20-04 meeting is one of the planning commissioners.

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It had that a lot of people come back and without approval add decks no matter what.

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And I'm not doing that. I'm trying to be honest. I'm trying to be upfront. I'm trying to do this the right way.

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and I just find it hard to believe that 3409 has 48% hard cover and there

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a lot is 6 feet wide in line and I'm just increasing to 30, what is it, 35, 35%

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hard cover. So a lot that's greater in size than mine is has more hard

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landscape in my tiny little lot.

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And if you look at the house, my house is very tiny.

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And, you know, I followed all the parameters when, you know,

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I built the house back in 2005.

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And I would just like a little more grace, so to speak,

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in allowing me to add this deck.

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Yeah.

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A lot of work at the major part of the lake is

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I don't know what the hardship would be for adding additional hardcover, I mean, it's a 25% hardcover area, it's already in excess.

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And they have a original variance, I think, bump them up to 27.

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Yeah, they're at 27.63 according to what we are providing the packet anyway.

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So they're, the lot, a lot of those for 25% hardcover, it's over hardcover right now.

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And I can't think of an example of wanting more, you know, school,

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or were we just given more hard cover?

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I guess that's what I guess I struggle with is obviously

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the smallness of a lot is it's own hardship

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and practical difficulty.

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We've got a lot of lots like that.

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I'm Crystal Bay Road, where Mr. T. Henderson is sitting back there

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and a number of other houses were really, really small lots

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that they all kind of fit in the same,

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but they're all way over the hard cover

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because the lots are just so small.

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There's just not a lot, it's hard to work with that.

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Obviously, we've always taken the strides

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that we want houses to be functional.

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It's not our job to design them, obviously.

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And I think people need to have decks.

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I think the problem that you struggle with is

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somebody wanted to build a, well, you built it, right?

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You wanted to build the biggest house you could.

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And if you had a deck, you may not have got

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as big a house back then.

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Well, you see the game in the yang of that

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because we have people that are trying to omit things and then in the middle of the night

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they put back things in place that they wanted, but we do want them to be functional because

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we want the practicality of living and having to act and enjoying your house and your yard.

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It's the struggle of how it got there, but I'm sympathetic for sure.

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Could you come up to the mic one more moment please?

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The one that you're proposing is like a 14 by 20, is that correct?

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Are there other hardscapes you could omit on the property if for sake of argument of just

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having that conversation?

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Well, you're not getting any pervious surface credit on your survey, so that means?

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We don't give credit if it's in the 75 foot setback, we don't give that 100 foot credit that we would if it was outside of that setback, but yes, I think you're thinking about the 100 foot square foot.

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I'm talking about a driveway or a walk.

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Oh, okay, you drink it that way.

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You know, those, you could pick up a hundred square feet of, so you get up, right?

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A hundred square feet, credit.

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If she did like a pervious walkway in the front or something.

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If it's, if it's pavers instead of, you must have a cement sidewalk or something.

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So you could switch a hundred square feet of it to, that's 10 by 10, a hundred square

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feet of it to pervious surface, and then you could add a hundred square feet or I would

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be open to adding 100 square feet onto the deck, because your hardcover wouldn't go

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up that.

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Because we have a credit, you get a 100 square foot credit for a deck, and a normal

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situation.

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So I have a single car garage, but a double wide driveway that when I have visitors, people

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aren't parking on the street.

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And I guess what you want me to just pick up all my half my driveway in the walkway.

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Well, I'm not making any suggestion what compromises you make, but

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what I'm just trying to give you another way to look at it is you're not taking advantage

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of the 100 square foot credit that you can get that helps small lots by using

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in encouraging people to use pervious surfaces like pavers as an example.

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And if you removed a 100 square feet, then you would have a 100 square feet transferable.

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So you could have a 10 by 10 deck as an example of that 100 square feet.

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I'm just trying to give you some ideas, because I'm not necessarily supportive of adding hard cover to the lot.

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But that might be a way for you to maybe get part of what you want

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So the only thing I can see there that makes sense because I don't think the driveway makes sense a lot, but you do have a walk

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A walk and there's a it says walk in patio on there. So I'm that exactly what that is there's what the dimensions

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My second floor is what's covering that so-called patio

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So that can't be removed

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support beam is coming down to support that second floor right there.

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Well, the hard cover is calculated what she's got there.

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For I've raised to 267, the walk is 41.

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Maybe you just look at reducing the size.

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Because I do see some practical difficulty with having the creek right there.

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It's a very small lot.

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When I came to the city back in 2004,

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I was coming as my own general contractor.

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And I know I'd be dealing with this right now.

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I would have adjusted the size of that house,

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as I mentioned before.

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It was more of a financial situation at that time,

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not to add a deck.

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It was always my intention to add a deck, and I know that I'd be standing here today

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or getting more of that.

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I probably would have adjusted some things in the house.

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Unfortunately, I did.

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It wasn't a matter of deceiving anybody to get the most hardscape.

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I was just trying to build a house that was livable, that had a decent sized kitchen,

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living room, two bedrooms, where I came from a house that was only 563 square feet.

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And unfortunately I stand here today with a conundrum as to how I add some decent

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outside living space. That's usable. When you look at a 10 by 10 deck you're now

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adding a six inch railing around it and then you have to add the stairs someplace so you're

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ending up with a very small deck that is really not used at all. You can maybe put two chairs out

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there and that would be it. You know where do you put a table? You feel you definitely need stairs

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from there? Yes it is the second level and it's also a safety issue the only way of getting in my

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My house is the front door, the door off of the garage, and that patio door.

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So if there's ever a fire on the lower level of my home, I have no way out.

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By adding this, there isn't a door there right now, so I have to add a door, so that's

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an added expense.

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By adding that door, then that allows me to safely get out of my house if there is a fire.

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The stairwell within my house is very narrow, it's kind of a square where you come up, it

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kind of turns, comes up, and turns again, it's hard to bring furniture and stuff into

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my house or take things out, this would allow me a little bit easier access to bring things

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in and out of my home.

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I do like the suggestion that Matt's going to brought up of trying to figure out if we can

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find 100 square feet, we'll give you the other 100 square feet that gives you 200 square

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feet which maybe isn't a 14 by 20 it's a 12 by 15 or 12 by 16 still very

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functional size.

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The stairway is you know I'm not sure about the stairways I just

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had just more square finish going down but we have the quandary if we we built

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the house with agreement not you know to foregoal essentially so we're gonna

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revisiting that. Unfortunately, I don't know. I don't know. hindsight's always 2020, right?

288
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Thanks for coming up. I was willing when I spoke to the planning commission to deduct

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four feet along the west side. So it'd be four feet by 14. On the west side of what?

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It's by the existing garage on the side of the existing garage. So of the deck removing 4 feet

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by 14 feet. So that would shave off a substantial amount right there. So instead of 14 you'd have to be at 10 by 14.

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So it would end by 20.

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16 by 14.

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I

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think obviously pointed out by the Planning Commission is a 4-to-2 vote.

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It's a very tricky thing and a lot of that has gone into it on your end.

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At this point, I can't change the past.

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Obviously, what if?

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But I think if you make a...

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I'd be...

301
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All right.

302
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If you had some size difference in the deck to meet in the middle, I think middle ground is where the solution lies.

303
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So I would be in favor of that.

304
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Are you willing to allow that for production?

305
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I would be.

306
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I'd be in favor of it.

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What is the stone walk?

308
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Is that just pebbles, just rocks, lands?

309
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It's just some stepping stone.

310
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Oh, it's just stepping.

311
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That's not part of the heart cover.

312
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Is that part of the heart cover?

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It's being calculated, yeah.

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Stepping stones are.

315
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The way that it was brought to us, it has been calculated towards the hardcover.

316
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Yes, we can take a closer look at it and see if there's anything that can be deducted

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from it.

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Do we have those calculations?

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Are they in the packet?

320
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Yeah.

321
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They're in there.

322
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It's not necessary.

323
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I think it's 56 feet or so mad that you have more of an issue with it's the depth.

324
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No, my issue is that expanding the hard cover isn't something that we've done to an existing because they want to add a deck.

325
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I mean, if they want to reduce the 100 square feet, there's some room to have some, but no, I wasn't really supporting a deviation from that.

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Currently

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The stone walk in the front is 53 square feet. So I'm not sure how much of that could be reduced.

328
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The front are in the backyard. We got the side yard. That's where it says stone walk is on the side. It's the only way to get into the back of my yard. It's walking around the house. In the hardcover calculations are dated currently. The survey is an old one. So the hardcover calculations came from an existing

329
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I'm sorry, no, the survey is new.

330
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It's recent.

331
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The survey is new and the hard-covered conditions are.

332
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You are standing in the back of my house.

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If you try to get to the back of the house on the west side,

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there is a huge tree that I refused to cut down when I built the house.

335
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However, there are roots coming out,

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and there's just a very narrow space between those roots

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and my air conditioner to get back into the yard,

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so the only way being able to get into the backyard

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is on that east side.

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And as it's what he frequently, it was difficult.

341
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I will barrel through there on what would you call it mulch.

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I took it upon myself to put a more stable surface.

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And there's quite a different amount

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of distance between the rock and I have planted moss in between there but if

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that's something where you're saying I need to get rid of what is it 53 square

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feet yes I can do that and go back to the way things work because that's 53

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square feet and your your little walk with and that's in the front is 41 square

348
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there's 94 right there yeah but how do you get in my house it's very

349
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difficult yeah I don't know if you you said you pulled up a photo of it yeah

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it's

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I know this is really difficult, I know what it is.

352
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That goes back to the, I think that's why we have a delay.

353
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I shouldn't do that.

354
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No, better than that, what do you have?

355
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Not just that.

356
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And they get to vote.

357
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Yes, it is.

358
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With a condition that I go to the Minihaha Creek Watershed District,

359
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and it pre-approval, and they said I do not need permits.

360
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But I think with the reduction to the 16 by 14 deck,

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I'm in agreement with what councilmember Johnson said regarding not wanting to intrude further on the hardcover issue.

362
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And that's.

363
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But yet you've allowed the neighbors to the west 48% hardcover.

364
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That's kind of confusing to me.

365
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Right, and I won't be able to speak to that.

366
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That's something maybe that's historically in the ordinances that have changed over time in the city of Orno.

367
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And I can't rewrite history, however that happened or whenever that happened in the past.

368
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It sounds like ordinances or rules have changed over time with regard to hardcover in the 75 foot.

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I wouldn't be able to speak to that as well as Natalie.

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No, my understanding and I wasn't here when this, when the neighborhood property went through.

371
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But I believe there was some sort of replacement and that's why.

372
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But again, you said there wasn't a garage there, so I remember that one, because I remember it was a really odd one.

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I think it was an old, very dilapidated, like, condamped, yeah.

374
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And so they were just in a replacement, yeah, so they got a replacement for what was there, because they left it.

375
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They never tore it down, they came in first to get a replacement, but it was, but there was something there.

376
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But then obviously that goes way back from when actually it was there, but I still will

377
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come back to I think what Maria talks about I mean I I think there's a middle ground

378
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I think I need I want to teach houses to be livable they need to be livable I think maybe

379
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mistakes were made back when it was done then said I'll just for goal this and hopefully

380
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I can solve it later down the road but I think if you're I would say if you can get rid

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of that stone walk on the side, because I don't have any stone walks to go around my house,

382
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you're going to walk in the grass of around my house or the mulch.

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You know, otherwise people come inside and they go through and they go out the back door.

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So I think that would be an easy one.

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I think you need to keep the driveway in the walk, because you need, like you said, a way

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to get in your house.

387
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:59,740
You need access to that.

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But I'd be, if you get rid of that and reduce the, the deck, I guess I, I think that would

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be a good compromise.

390
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To like a, what was it, 16 by 14?

391
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,360
16 by 14, and that almost sounded like a motion.

392
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,300
I forgot to let everybody still have some more conversation before that, but.

393
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I know I have too much more to add, other than I do agree that if there's a solution that can be worked out with regard to that hard-governed difference, then I'm amenable to that.

394
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I think that's reasonable.

395
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I make a motion with the verbiage of removing and going to a 16-14.

396
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And so I see that there would be reasonable, because I do feel like with this lot in the creek there, there is a practical difficulty, a very small lot.

397
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I think I agree with the mayor.

398
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There is a middle ground here.

399
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We have a motion, do I have a second?

400
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and to approve with the Stonewalk

401
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approval of the six-to-by-fourteen.

402
00:36:01,130 --> 00:36:05,110
So we would, I haven't brought forward a resolution yet.

403
00:36:05,350 --> 00:36:06,270
That's just for direction.

404
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,790
So I would come back with an approval resolution with those

405
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stipulations that it's a 16-by-fourteen

406
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and that the removal of the...

407
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So basically the motion is then to bring a resolution

408
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in the next...

409
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With those elements and then a site plan,

410
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that would manage that.

411
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:23,270
Okay. Is that though?

412
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is what's on here, the 20 feet of the deck and then you have another 3 feet of or 4 feet of stairs there so it's 24 feet long or is it 20 feet?

413
00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:42,110
Oh no, the house is 24 feet and it's from my own question. So you have 4 foot wide of stair.

414
00:36:42,190 --> 00:36:49,130
Right. So yeah, guys, here's an extra. You should address what your total width you're talking about.

415
00:36:49,130 --> 00:37:03,460
Well, she hadn't mentioned that she would reduce four feet from the last was her actual deck would be 14 by 16 and then there would be the four foot stairs and then the addition of the stairs.

416
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:14,760
I would just bring that to their attention that it's right. Yeah, the state is you get a four full white. So how much of that would actually be on the ground, not in the air with the deck, but in terms of the stairs.

417
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Yes.

418
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,760
Probably just the landing pass, 4x4.

419
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4x4 landing pass.

420
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16 square feet, which is basically a 4x4.

421
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:35,260
Okay, so I've got a motion in a second.

422
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Any other thoughts?

423
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:38,440
Okay, my favorite say aye.

424
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Aye.

425
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:39,660
Opposed?

426
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:40,220
Aye.

427
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:44,580
Okay, note that pass is 4 to 1 to bring a resolution to us in a couple of weeks, right?

428
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Yeah.

429
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,420
Okay, we'll see you then.

430
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Thanks.

431
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Okay, put my sheet back here.

432
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4 to 1.

433
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:58,150
Okay, that'll bring us to our, Laura, do we have any more community development report here?

434
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:58,730
I

435
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have the permit revenue slide.

436
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,980
I can share with you.

437
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,280
So in front of you is the permit revenue slide so far a year to date.

438
00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:32,000
We are up out about 75,000 from 2022 at this time, so we are above our projections and on

439
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:40,200
the right track and very busy with permits on that side. We have about 130 permits that

440
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we issue last month. That's right on par with what we've done the last few September's

441
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compared to 2022 and 2021 so we're right on track with all those permits as well. Staff

442
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is busy this week prepping our planning commission packet with planning commission meeting coming

443
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up next week. We published our legal notice with that with seven applications and then one

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text amendment for that retaining wall in the shoreland we finished working through with some

445
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:14,920
minor adjustments with the DNR comments and so that will be presented for a public hearing at the

446
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:21,360
planning commission on this coming month. So with that we're just kind of eight on track trying to

447
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:28,440
wrap up end of summer projects and get permits out before things get very cold. But I'd be happy to

448
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:33,040
So we're at 623,000 right now for a year to date.

449
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:34,960
So what's our budget again?

450
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:35,580
I forget.

451
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,480
I have 65, okay.

452
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,100
All right, that's all I had.

453
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,380
That's everything else for Laura?

454
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,900
All right, thanks.

455
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:50,620
Thank you.

456
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,020
All right, we're over to run for a finance report.

457
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,440
Thank you, Mayor.

458
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:03,360
Just to have a couple quick items, a couple of weeks ago, I told you that we had sent out the certification letters for

459
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:11,780
on the 8 utility bills. Total unpaid at that time was $122,000 and now we're down to $101,000.

460
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,120
By the time we actually certify them, I would assume we'll be down around $80,000.

461
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:22,760
Which is good. We reckon much prefer to collect the money in a timely manner than certify it.

462
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,580
And then the other bit of information or news is we are a few noticed up above.

463
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:33,200
of you see the new look that of what's being streamed.

464
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:38,980
We are now live with the swig at doing it from a distance.

465
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,280
So this is the first night.

466
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:44,520
So hopefully, everything continues to go smoothly.

467
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:47,360
And nobody in the back room running this,

468
00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:49,200
it's just all being done remotely.

469
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:51,780
It's been a while, but we're finally there.

470
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,160
We're there.

471
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:52,860
That's awesome.

472
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,060
All right, anything else for for run?

473
00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:04,640
That will bring us to Josh in our parks report with the, we have number 17 which are events

474
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,280
sponsorship program.

475
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:13,380
Thank you, Mayor and council.

476
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:17,920
So tonight staff is bringing our request from the park commission.

477
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,280
We've started going about doing community events.

478
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:29,400
In the past we've had learned dog days over the last four years now we've had the annual

479
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,960
tree lighting, a little pause with during COVID, but it has continued to grow over these

480
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,000
last few years. And one issue that the Part Commission has been running into is as they

481
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:47,060
go out to solicit donations. I think there's been a little, there's been some questions

482
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:54,820
as to what benefit is it to those businesses? How do we even get this money to you?

483
00:41:58,820 --> 00:41:59,380
And

484
00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:05,820
for a sponsorship program, with that sponsorship program we'll have different tiers of support.

485
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:13,920
So for the base tier, it's a certain dollar amount you would receive maybe some recognition

486
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,920
at the City Council, your company logo or name would be show up in a newsletter.

487
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:23,040
And then it just increases from there.

488
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:29,020
So give away a few golf passes to the Oronal Golf Course, maybe some other golf courses

489
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:29,960
if anyone wants to donate.

490
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,900
So yeah, we're just trying to create more of a formalized process

491
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:41,220
for a sponsorship program. And this is something that as staff, we can't go out and solicit

492
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:45,660
donations, elected officials can't do it. So it would really be down to our park commission

493
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:50,840
to take this. And it also would be something that would be active on our city website as well.

494
00:42:52,600 --> 00:43:01,620
So, when people, perhaps condition good solicit donations, are they tax deductible if they

495
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:02,280
give it to the city?

496
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:10,300
I don't believe it would be, Ron, I would do the standard disclaimer they should check

497
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:11,320
with their tax purpose.

498
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,060
So, there's kind of a lead-in question because what my point in the end was going to be is

499
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:35,000
There is the ornal legacy 501c3 that you could potentially steer them to them to make the donation because then becomes tax deductible and then they can pull those dollars to you on behalf of the donor with that information.

500
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,080
and so I just want to make sure that those avenues,

501
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,120
because I know having to be tax deductibles,

502
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:42,820
sometimes some people maybe don't care,

503
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,440
but I know some people do care,

504
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,840
so I just want to make sure that those opportunities

505
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,140
are available or being told to them as well.

506
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,760
And one way that this is maybe a little different

507
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,820
from the 501C3 is that a lot of our donations are hot dogs

508
00:43:58,820 --> 00:44:02,360
or brots or cookies that are donated to us.

509
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:04,560
So again, we want to be able to-

510
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,260
Which makes sense to recognize their contribution to the city and have them feel like they're partnering with yeah

511
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:15,260
No, I know at the tree lighting ceremony. We get the lions there. We get

512
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,900
Other groups that are bringing food and drinks and all that kind of stuff

513
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:26,840
So yeah, I know this it could be a great. I think it's a great idea to have that set up like that one's is done stuff and yeah

514
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,380
Longers done stuff so nice. No, the thing Josh didn't tell you is that with the program that

515
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,480
that he and Kim came up with is based off

516
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,480
what our neighboring cities do.

517
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:40,780
Chaskar or Chan Hasen.

518
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,900
Chan Hasen, a lot of this is borrowed from.

519
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:45,940
The ideas are.

520
00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:46,640
Good idea.

521
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:48,200
This is a good problem to have.

522
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:50,340
I mean, we only started really going out looking

523
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:52,600
for donations for like the two lightings here.

524
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,100
Just a few years ago, so we really haven't

525
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,140
really done that a whole lot.

526
00:44:58,380 --> 00:44:59,960
So I think this is a great idea to-

527
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,260
If we can ramp up and have more momentum with that, I know where people come in and just give donations out of their goodness of their heart. Like, I know, Richie Anderson for the dog, for the police department, does that? And a number of other people have done that for the police department and for the department and that kind of stuff, too. So I think it's a great idea. I'm fully supportive of it, absolutely. And one of our other thoughts for this program is that it's not specific to parks. This could be for our fire department. It could be for our police department.

528
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:37,860
any future events that they would like to run with, individuals or businesses can contribute to that, and then that would go into their fund for.

529
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:38,840
And I think it's a great idea.

530
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:44,060
Josh, do neighboring cities also have their parks commission typically organize these types of ventures?

531
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,700
It could be a Chamber of Commerce, that does it, but yeah.

532
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:52,780
My only, and I think it's good to formalize processes for sure.

533
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,580
The question I have is about that 501-C3, that's not something I know a lot about as it relates to our parks department.

534
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,620
And when we talk about people donating money that goes into a 501-C3, that then comes back to the city.

535
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:10,660
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so I'm wondering what the explanation would be on that end financially.

536
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:15,400
So this, what this program here has nothing to do with the 501-C3?

537
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,860
But we're talking about people donating money to the 501-C3 that then comes into the city.

538
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:25,720
Or no, what we're talking about right now is a sponsorship program.

539
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:26,080
Yes.

540
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,500
So, example, tree lighting ceremony,

541
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,980
lens viral leaves in the past has donated a bunch of cookies.

542
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,920
If they, in this example, donated $500 worth of cookies or less,

543
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,100
they would be a bronze sponsor of that event,

544
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,140
which entitles them to all the things that's in the bronze.

545
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:54,560
they be listed as one of the sponsoring entities and those sorts of things.

546
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:58,580
These are direct donations to the city.

547
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:05,800
I think what the mayor was talking about is another means for folks to donate to city activities,

548
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,200
particularly on parks, is there is a 501-C3 that was set up a number of years ago.

549
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:18,880
So, it's a nonprofit that has a mission to collect and money for parks, park projects.

550
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,560
I personally would see that more as a capital type thing if we were to do that.

551
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,160
No, that would definitely work.

552
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,280
That would definitely work.

553
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:26,440
No, that would definitely work.

554
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,040
That would definitely work.

555
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,780
The last time it was used was Big Island.

556
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:36,300
When we did the Big Island project, a bunch of folks entities donated to that 501-C3 and

557
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:45,020
In turn, provided that those resources to the city for that particular, your mark for that particular project.

558
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:50,040
This is a more general, you normally events type thing.

559
00:47:50,380 --> 00:48:00,160
I think holiday tree lighting, lort and dog days, you know, within the future we have fun runs or things like that associated with the police department.

560
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:07,580
You're talking about durable goods that are donated, that are not necessarily going to be tax deductible for these purposes, but we'll get records.

561
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:10,480
It doesn't preclude cash, but-

562
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,360
But you're looking essentially to get recognition, and yeah, that makes sense.

563
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:28,400
But that was going to be one of my questions that we've already addressed now is how is this program separate from any other programs related to public private partnerships, 501-C-3 other types of funding sources.

564
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,380
is this completely separate? Nothing about this program has anything to do with other

565
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:36,240
monies. Okay. I only just brought it up just to make

566
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:41,340
a way because we did as an example in the couple of years ago we had a local family

567
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:50,080
that wanted all the money for the fireworks for the tree lighting and they wanted to be taxed

568
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:57,520
deductible so we suggested if you want to tax that but then you can donate a legacy and the

569
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,660
then it's a funnel, but then they get a tax deduction for that.

570
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:02,880
I was using the dollars that they provided.

571
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:07,720
So it's just an option if somebody has cash had nothing to do with this as it was more

572
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,180
just bringing it up to make sure everybody is aware of that stuff.

573
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,600
This is a program most separately by itself, so was anybody have any more thoughts on the

574
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,440
structure of the program and what they've got set up?

575
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,820
When are you hoping to implement this?

576
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:31,110
Because this would involve website changes, presumably, or other types of publications about this process.

577
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:35,090
Yeah, we're, this is something we've been talking about for a few years now.

578
00:49:36,310 --> 00:49:46,610
We are hoping to roll it out as soon as we can, we'd have to get a page set up on our website, we'd have to get flyers out, which we are starting to create already.

579
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:53,430
One other question I had, Josh, is this, is this process been talked about in regular

580
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:54,090
parks meeting?

581
00:49:54,310 --> 00:49:57,130
I always like to go back and try to figure out where these conversations are happening

582
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:58,970
or is this in subcommittees or work sessions?

583
00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:00,550
Where is these conversations been had?

584
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:06,270
For sure it's happened in our subcommittee, so for our events planning subcommittee, mainly

585
00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:08,870
for the tree lighting event, we've had these discussions.

586
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:11,450
I don't recall if we've had it.

587
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,760
I think it's helpful in the future when initiatives are coming about to have that record

588
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,640
of them, I know I appreciate that, so that's an aside, but thank you for this.

589
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:26,860
Any other questions for staff on this?

590
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,100
I'll make a motion.

591
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:34,120
I'll make a motion to approve the event sponsorship program.

592
00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:35,360
I'll second that.

593
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,960
On favor say aye.

594
00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:37,540
Aye.

595
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:38,300
Aye.

596
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,100
Aye.

597
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:39,160
Aye.

598
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Aye.

599
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,220
Aye.

600
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Aye.

601
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:44,880
Aye.

602
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,840
Anything else, Josh, on parks?

603
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,220
Yeah, so we are getting close to end of season.

604
00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:51,760
Mainly for golf and parks.

605
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:55,000
All the trees are starting to drop leaves pretty quick now.

606
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,680
We have another couple inches of rain coming our way,

607
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:58,580
which is great news.

608
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,760
Not so great for the golf course.

609
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,960
We had a very strong year at the golf course this year.

610
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:08,940
We are about $40,000 over where we were last year.

611
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,440
So we keep seeing these increases,

612
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,840
not just in revenue, but also in play.

613
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:21,880
So, this year we saw, again, almost a 40% increase in junior rounds, which we love to

614
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,100
see.

615
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,200
So, our clubhouse manager, Kim, has done a great job.

616
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:27,480
She brought in a junior league this year.

617
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Yeah, very fun to see them out there.

618
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:36,320
They were our most dedicated golfers this year, and we're looking to continue to grow that

619
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:36,780
program.

620
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,100
So, we're really excited about the future of the golf course.

621
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:45,300
I mean, sales are great, but now to see just the enthusiasm at the golf course are really

622
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,500
happy to really invest in that right now.

623
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:56,560
Other updates, so we are doing our annual maintenance, our early maintenance at work right

624
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:56,800
now.

625
00:51:57,820 --> 00:52:00,340
So, it's pretty drastic change.

626
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:01,240
You'll see all the grass.

627
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:02,980
It's all moved.

628
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:03,540
It's all moved down.

629
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:04,160
All moved down.

630
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:06,540
Yeah, we're going to be doing some trail projects this fall.

631
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:13,180
And then, yeah, I guess moving forward, it's all about irrigation blowouts and putting the golf course event.

632
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:16,320
Oh, yes.

633
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,300
We've also contracted with SEMS to serve.

634
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:23,060
They were with Hennepin County corrections.

635
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,100
They were out around City Hall this weekend.

636
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,620
They will also be in Highwood Park, the rest of this week, removing buckthorn.

637
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:32,760
So it's a great asset for us.

638
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,260
It's great for us to work with them.

639
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:39,100
We have a very cool program and they've done amazing jobs so far.

640
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,360
Josh, what did you say they were doing the management of the buckthorn, which park?

641
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:44,760
Highwood Park.

642
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:45,200
I would.

643
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:45,700
Yeah.

644
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,220
Right off of.

645
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,020
How much do they expect to clear?

646
00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:52,980
Is it like a week long or a couple weeks?

647
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,860
We have 21 days contracted with them.

648
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:56,420
Okay.

649
00:52:57,060 --> 00:53:01,380
And how often does the city contract with sentencing serve for this type of service?

650
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:02,700
Annually.

651
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:09,380
I think we've been annually contracting with them since 2015, maybe.

652
00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:10,860
Did it happen last year?

653
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,800
It did not happen.

654
00:53:11,860 --> 00:53:12,740
Yeah, I didn't think so.

655
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,880
No, we have an annual contract with them for a certain number of days, which is that there's

656
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:25,780
a day rate per crew that they have, and that there have been some years where they just don't

657
00:53:25,780 --> 00:53:27,520
have enough crews so we don't get them.

658
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,580
We still have a contract, but obviously they don't work, we don't pay.

659
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:36,300
I'm glad to hear that because this is the time of year to do buckthorn control.

660
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,740
And also, I was going to ask you as part of your parks report, what if any updates you

661
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:47,300
have about any types of restoration projects or invasive removal, that type of thing?

662
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,140
We've talked about that before at Casco and other parks.

663
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:54,640
Again, our focus right now is buckthorn in the fall.

664
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,560
this is the best time to remove it, to prevent spread, but we're also spread than ourselves

665
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,960
during the fall, so right now we're just mainly contracting that work out.

666
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:13,150
Is there any talk of neighbourhoods, there's been talk like that in the past of doing those sorts of initiatives.

667
00:54:13,890 --> 00:54:20,570
There was talk in the past of casco, that park there, doing that type of initiative, or is that not something that's going on right now.

668
00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:24,830
We haven't had much interaction or communication on that.

669
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:29,290
We've had a few individuals reach out and ask if they could remove certain species,

670
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:32,870
but it hasn't been a neighborhood scale.

671
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:39,530
Is that something that any of the commissioners ever talk about related to the parks that they ever see?

672
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:46,950
So in our park commission right now, what we're trying to do is put a more of a focus on our adopt a park program.

673
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:53,570
And I think we'll see some parks where it will be a family that adopts that park and

674
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:56,730
And it maybe requires a little more oversight from staff and park commission.

675
00:54:57,390 --> 00:55:03,470
But we are also trying to push initiatives where maybe a community adopts that park and they can invest in that more.

676
00:55:04,090 --> 00:55:08,650
Do some projects with staff where maybe it's removal or plantings, upkeep.

677
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:15,890
So again, maybe with our sponsorship program, we're also looking at more formalized process for our adopted park.

678
00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:23,230
Thanks for that, I appreciate hearing that because I think with all the planning and infrastructure that we have coming down the pipeline, these sorts of things are very.

679
00:55:23,230 --> 00:55:28,730
very important and critical for reducing the spread of those invasives in the cities.

680
00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:29,290
Thanks.

681
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:32,260
All right, thanks, James.

682
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,940
All right, that's going to bring us to our fire report.

683
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:44,400
We'll start with number nine, which is authorization to hire part-time firefighters chief out of hell.

684
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:45,940
Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.

685
00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:52,420
So what we have before you is the purpose of this action is to get approval to hire part-time

686
00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:55,240
Firefighters for a weekday daytime duty cruise.

687
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:02,760
The Ornal Fire Department is currently seeking part-time firefighters for our weekday daytime duty cruise for our station to call area.

688
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:11,380
The selection process has been myself, some city employees, Josh and Anna and DJF helped out with some of the initial interviews.

689
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:19,100
They've gone through psychological exams, pre-employment medical, probationary period, and such and all of the applicants have passed.

690
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:23,720
Shea's experience with a firefighter with another couple of cities.

691
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,960
He's passed Firefighter 1 and Firefighter 2.

692
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:30,900
Nate and Kayla are just starting their Firefighter careers with us.

693
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,480
Nate is currently enrolled in Firefighting classes at Century College.

694
00:56:34,820 --> 00:56:41,940
Kayla is enrolled in the EMT class and will move forward after the first of the year when she's done with her EMT for a firefighting class.

695
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,220
All are excited to become charter members of the Arnold Fire Department and

696
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:50,300
And we look forward to creating the best fire department in the relief association that

697
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:50,520
we have.

698
00:56:50,820 --> 00:56:57,000
So, I do recommend Shay, Nate, and Kayla to receive conditional job offers as part time

699
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,600
firefighters with effective start dates of tomorrow with limited administrative duties

700
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,820
and time through the year.

701
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:10,660
And then we'll start firefighter training and the other such duties after January 1, 2024.

702
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:14,660
Any questions for James?

703
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:21,600
I do have some. First of all, actually, this one's a legal question first for Silverin or for attorney.

704
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:29,420
I do want to have it stated for the record that hiring any part-time firefighters for

705
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:32,580
the city at Mourno is not in violation of the injunction.

706
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:39,660
Councillor Member Benson may or members of the council have asked all members who is representing

707
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:42,700
the city to specifically address that very point.

708
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:56,380
Councilmember Benson and Mayor and Councilmembers, no, absolutely not.

709
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,020
The order is very specific as to recruiting.

710
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,380
There's no prohibition on hiring and that was specifically discussed at the hearing.

711
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:11,400
I actually ordered the transcript and that was a point the court made clear was deal with

712
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,480
people who come to the city on their own volition.

713
00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:19,500
So there is a difference between recruiting and hiring and the court was very specific in

714
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:20,120
the terminology.

715
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:27,880
So, in my opinion, the city is well within the bounds of the law and the order to proceed

716
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:28,560
with this action.

717
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:34,970
I don't have any further questions and I just want that stated for the record.

718
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:35,890
Thank you.

719
00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:37,250
I have further questions for Chief Van.

720
00:58:37,310 --> 00:58:37,970
I'll not for you.

721
00:58:40,340 --> 00:58:40,840
I'll sit down.

722
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:41,380
I do.

723
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:44,420
For Chief Van, I'll but not nothing more legal at this point.

724
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,260
So are these individuals currently working with long-leaf fire?

725
00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:59,700
No, none of these three are currently working with the long and this is for part time, so it's for duty crew.

726
00:59:01,420 --> 00:59:05,260
This is for, yeah, part time firefighters for our week day, day time duty crews.

727
00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:07,260
Now, one of them could be a paid on-call firefighter.

728
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:14,360
She's interested in being a full time firefighter somewhere, so getting her into police and fire parra will help her career.

729
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,080
And what is the purpose for hiring these individuals now?

730
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:25,520
The purpose is to start doing some light administrative type duties, whether we're outspecking

731
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:32,000
trucks, bringing their expertise, like Shea's expertise, along to be able to do that, getting

732
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,720
them trained.

733
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:39,520
So Kayla is EMT class right now and she'll be in there until the end of the year and then

734
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,120
we've got to get her into a fire fighter class.

735
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:47,360
Nate is in a firefighter class right now and then has to start EMR EMT after

736
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,680
January, so it's really to start getting the ball rolling with their training.

737
00:59:51,220 --> 00:59:55,780
Also come up here within the next probably 30 to 45 days we'll have to start

738
00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:59,980
sizing for turnout care uniforms and getting them

739
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,800
I'm fit tested with masks. Turn out here it takes anywhere from three to six months to order and get in. So we need to start ordering that now for each individual firefighter that we have. And the pay, the starting pay is $20 an hour. Or the part-time daytime duty crew is starting at $20. Okay. And long legs currently paying its duty crew $12.5 an hour. I have no idea what long legs paying their duty crew. I believe that's what I read because we talked about the budget last meeting. You weren't here. Actually, no, I don't believe you were here for that.

740
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:50,020
I will say something that comes to mind here is that Orno is planning on paying these part-time people $20 an hour to significantly more than Long Lake is paying theirs, and I don't know if the court would see that as any type of competition as it relates to a limited amount of resource.

741
01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:50,220
Yes.

742
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,580
So also a key there is to note that this is a hiring action for part-time employees.

743
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:55,980
Yes.

744
01:00:56,260 --> 01:01:00,080
Long Lake has no part-time employees or have any other.

745
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,980
I thought, okay, I thought we were talking about duty crews here.

746
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,040
Is this not duty crews?

747
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,360
These are part-time employees who will be our duty crew.

748
01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:06,420
We have it.

749
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:13,800
We have in the organization that the council adopted a month or two ago, our duty crews are made

750
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,540
up of part-time employees.

751
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,580
the city of the long lake is using a completely different duty crew model.

752
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:21,820
It's an important distinction to make.

753
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,620
So they are using a paid on-call firefighters and

754
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:30,320
paying them a stipend to serve a certain amount of time in the fire stations.

755
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,600
So it's a different, it's a different.

756
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:35,980
I see, no, I see what you're saying, thanks for the clarification.

757
01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:43,260
So are these individuals, people that would be stationed starting July of next year,

758
01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:47,140
out of station that servicing that area two of the city of Orno.

759
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,360
For a set number of hours, correct.

760
01:01:56,980 --> 01:02:03,000
So if a call came in in July of next year, two calls came in.

761
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:07,700
One in the city of the side of call station one and call station two.

762
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:11,440
These are not people who are going to be working paid on call.

763
01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:15,380
These are only people who are going to be working in a duty crew capacity.

764
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:23,360
So they'd have an area that they were responsible for, they would not be responding to calls in station one and station two area.

765
01:02:24,580 --> 01:02:30,220
We only have asked to remove the call area for station two, the two CAD zones out.

766
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:34,600
So we would only be paid to those unless it's a mutual aid call by another department.

767
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:41,440
And then at that time, we would respond just like we would for any other, if it's long-lake, if it's a noun, if it's a cell share, if it's a permit.

768
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,880
But anybody like that that would call for mutual aid,

769
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,840
we would respond to those,

770
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,700
and hope that they would in turn then respond to ours,

771
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:49,500
which we've had those conversations.

772
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:50,460
I

773
01:02:55,710 --> 01:02:56,830
have any other questions on this.

774
01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:57,210
Thank you.

775
01:02:57,610 --> 01:02:59,190
That's all right.

776
01:02:59,370 --> 01:03:00,210
All right, any other thoughts?

777
01:03:01,410 --> 01:03:02,030
Can we make a motion?

778
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:04,770
No, happy to have them.

779
01:03:05,790 --> 01:03:09,010
I said happy to have these firefighters sign.

780
01:03:09,130 --> 01:03:10,590
Oh, a nice job, chief, get them.

781
01:03:12,010 --> 01:03:14,770
I'll make a motion to approve the conditional job offers

782
01:03:22,810 --> 01:03:42,950
thank you very much thanks for coming also thank you thank you as a part-time firefighter at the rate of $20 per hour with the start date of October 10th 2023.

783
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:43,050
Three.

784
01:03:43,770 --> 01:03:44,170
Okay.

785
01:03:44,250 --> 01:03:44,650
A motion?

786
01:03:44,850 --> 01:03:45,230
No, second.

787
01:03:45,590 --> 01:03:46,130
I was taking it.

788
01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:50,250
I'd just like to state for the record why I don't support this.

789
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:54,930
Before we have a vote, I don't support this hiring of the part-time firefighters for the

790
01:03:54,930 --> 01:04:01,070
City of Ornell because this venture is costing our residents significantly more than they would

791
01:04:01,070 --> 01:04:03,870
need to pay for fire contract service with the City of Long Lake.

792
01:04:04,330 --> 01:04:09,030
It's also exposing our city to a great degree of risk in that this department is untested

793
01:04:09,030 --> 01:04:13,450
and has not been evaluated by an independent, unbiased third party.

794
01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:14,970
So I just want to state that for the record.

795
01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:17,670
What did you want tested by unbiased third party?

796
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:19,890
The formation of an Ornal Fire Department.

797
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:26,590
I said this model, this project has not had eyes laid on it by an unbiased third party

798
01:04:29,350 --> 01:04:31,370
outside evaluation or agent.

799
01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:37,290
I guess I say that the reason that we are doing this and that we are supportive of the fire department that we have

800
01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:41,990
decided to form as a city council and our city needs to be staffed. I think we're finding

801
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:47,470
great staff people. We have our party expert right here as well as we have our engineer

802
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:51,710
expert when we have engineering issues. We have legal expert when we have legal issues.

803
01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:55,990
We have equal to third parties for those. So we have our expert.

804
01:04:56,430 --> 01:05:02,930
I understand that. It's my opinion that when cities such as Hopkins, if I interrupted you

805
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:04,310
That's correct. If I interrupted you, right?

806
01:05:04,770 --> 01:05:06,490
That's correct. If I interrupted you, I apologize.

807
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:12,110
And so, I do, we have decided to have a fire department.

808
01:05:12,750 --> 01:05:17,350
It's our obligation to fund it, it's our obligation to staff it.

809
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:21,170
We would be spending the same amount of money with long lake,

810
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:28,190
except we'd be giving them all the money, and we'd be giving them all of the vehicles and everything else.

811
01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:32,850
We have decided to bring that in-house, and it's our obligation to fund the things

812
01:05:32,850 --> 01:05:38,630
is that we have voted to move forward death as a council in a city of Orno.

813
01:05:39,330 --> 01:05:45,930
Just as the city of Long Lake proceeded to go to Wise Ed of Fire, I don't believe

814
01:05:45,930 --> 01:05:51,710
they got an outside study done before they decided to do what they felt was the best

815
01:05:51,710 --> 01:05:52,790
thing for their city.

816
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:53,750
Is that a police community?

817
01:05:54,090 --> 01:05:55,430
Yeah, why is that a police, I'm sorry.

818
01:05:56,170 --> 01:06:01,810
So, you know, it's the same thing that Orno was doing is we felt it's the best

819
01:06:01,810 --> 01:06:08,190
thing that we can do for our citizens because we are 87% of the budget to bring

820
01:06:08,190 --> 01:06:10,770
that in house and take care of that.

821
01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:12,330
So, that's why we're going ahead.

822
01:06:12,850 --> 01:06:18,110
And you need to, you know, we've made the decision that we're going ahead with

823
01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:21,270
Orno Fire, you need to staff it and you need to equip it.

824
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:25,070
And if you're not doing that, you're not serving the people of Orno.

825
01:06:25,550 --> 01:06:29,090
You're serving in your mind or somebody else's mind, the people along the lake,

826
01:06:29,090 --> 01:06:30,310
which doesn't help anybody.

827
01:06:30,310 --> 01:06:33,030
So just to that, are you finished, I don't want to interrupt.

828
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:34,970
Go ahead, thank you.

829
01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:44,890
So just to that point, it is common practice when cities are looking at even making changes to a well-established apartment like Hopkins has.

830
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:50,790
It is standard practice to understand that even though as elected officials, we know a lot, we don't know everything.

831
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:59,470
And we have our own biases, we have our own blind spots, and to not take advantage of especially in an undertaking that is new.

832
01:06:59,470 --> 01:07:08,410
that is unproven. That has not been done before. It's a significant risk. I don't believe we know our ISO rating. That is still a question.

833
01:07:09,370 --> 01:07:22,310
This is a significant undertaking. And to say in this undertaking that we as a city, that we as council members who are not experts in fire, or that our staff, even though we have a chief,

834
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:29,630
That doesn't require an outside look, that we can hire somebody who then gives justification for

835
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:35,350
a department that that individual has been hired to oversee, that is not best practice.

836
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:38,570
So that is what I want to say for the record, and that's all.

837
01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:45,970
Well, as a retired, as a retired ten-year firefighter, I definitely did have some expertise and

838
01:07:46,810 --> 01:07:53,490
That's one thing, and we've hired a chief who's outstanding, who knows his business really, really well.

839
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:58,650
But we're here to do the best thing for the citizens of Orano.

840
01:07:58,790 --> 01:08:03,910
That's what we're elected to do, and we're responsible for those dollars.

841
01:08:04,310 --> 01:08:09,770
And when we decided to go ahead with the fire department to take care of it and run it, we need to equip it.

842
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:12,030
And we need to get the proper personnel in there.

843
01:08:12,310 --> 01:08:13,190
That's our job.

844
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:21,370
No, voting no on that does not help that position, and it does not support the citizens of Orno, which is what we were elected to do.

845
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:27,810
Well, I would also argue that the citizens of Orno have been speaking out at nearly every meeting in opposition to this undertaking.

846
01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:41,910
So, and I would also argue that if we are going to take into consideration the needs and desires of our residents related to recreational sports that we discussed earlier tonight, we might well do the same as it relates to public safety.

847
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:46,390
Okay, so we've had a motion and a second on favor say aye.

848
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:49,870
I propose no that passes 4 to 1.

849
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:56,030
Okay, we'll move on to number 10, which is authorization to hire paid-on-call firefighters.

850
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:56,930
Chief.

851
01:08:57,130 --> 01:08:58,070
Thanks, Mr. Mayor and Council.

852
01:08:59,310 --> 01:09:02,950
The purpose of this action is to give approval to hire some paid-on-call firefighters for

853
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:05,130
response down to station 2.

854
01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:10,290
The Toronto Fire Department is currently speaking, paid on co-fire fighters cover that's station two call area.

855
01:09:11,850 --> 01:09:19,590
The recommended candidates are Jeff Crawl, Ryan, and Ivy JV SEALs, Justin Hinker, Mike Johnson, Ben Carlson, Tom Aldrich.

856
01:09:20,210 --> 01:09:28,670
Olive experience as a firefighter with another department, all of past firefighter one and two, and I are either an EMT or EMR medically certified.

857
01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:34,950
All are excited to become charter members of the Toronto Fire Department and look forward to creating the best fire department

858
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:41,790
around in the real associations. I would recommend Jeff Crawled with 19 years, Ryan

859
01:09:41,790 --> 01:09:46,910
Canivie with 13 years, JB Seals with 5, Justin Hinker with 2, Mike Johnson with 2, Ben

860
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:52,290
Carlson with 2, and Tom Aldridge with 34 years of experience, conditional job offers is paid

861
01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:58,390
on call, firefighters, for the City of Ornall, effective start date would be October 10th,

862
01:09:58,470 --> 01:10:02,850
for limited administrative time and duties, and then firefighter training and other such

863
01:10:02,850 --> 01:10:04,750
students would begin January 1st?

864
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:07,160
Wonderful.

865
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,160
With a starting pay of $16 an effort.

866
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:10,680
Right, yep.

867
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,660
On the bill.

868
01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:13,480
They don't call side at $16 an office.

869
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:16,460
Any other questions?

870
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:17,180
I have another question.

871
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,040
I just like our attorney to address this one as well.

872
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:21,520
As it relates to the injunction.

873
01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:30,310
I would reiterate what I indicated before that the order is very specific.

874
01:10:30,650 --> 01:10:31,870
And there's no prohibition on hiring.

875
01:10:32,530 --> 01:10:36,590
And I see no reason not to proceed with taking action.

876
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:37,510
Thank you.

877
01:10:41,290 --> 01:10:47,330
So this is for the paid on call and are all these individuals currently servicing the

878
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:48,630
city of Long Lake through Long Lake Fire.

879
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:52,750
The last time I've spoke with them, yes, they were still on the department.

880
01:10:53,690 --> 01:10:55,410
Can you spoke with them at a recruiting event?

881
01:10:56,610 --> 01:11:03,570
Multiple recruiting events, lunches, text messages for happy birthdays and happy anniversaries,

882
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:04,570
those types of things, yeah.

883
01:11:04,570 --> 01:11:07,270
And our proposed pay is $16 an hour?

884
01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:11,370
For a paid on call, firefighters, yes, the proposed pay is $16 an hour.

885
01:11:11,470 --> 01:11:19,810
Okay, and I believe looking at Long Lake's budget, they're proposing, or we are still in debate about $15.60 cents or so.

886
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:24,930
For Long Lake firefighters, so we're paying more in the city of Orno for paid on call.

887
01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:26,390
$15.65.

888
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:34,490
$15.65, thank you, so we are paying, we are proposing to pay Orno recruits more.

889
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:35,370
more than the City of Long Lake.

890
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:46,630
I did do a right, how was that a number arrived at, $16 an hour?

891
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:49,910
A similar, it was a wage study that was done a while ago.

892
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:54,930
For surrounding fire departments, up and down the western suburban side here.

893
01:11:55,650 --> 01:12:01,070
And I took that pay and kind of averaged it out and said we don't necessarily want to be the highest for paid alcohol,

894
01:12:01,210 --> 01:12:03,250
but we don't want to be the lowest, we want to be somewhere in between.

895
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:07,510
$16 is kind of what I came with as a budgetary loan.

896
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:15,200
Do you think that's going to have any impact on long lake as it relates to their operations?

897
01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:17,300
I couldn't answer that question, I'm sorry.

898
01:12:17,940 --> 01:12:23,580
Okay, so this is where I would like to address the question I had earlier regarding

899
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:29,900
Pied on Call, Firefighters, who may be employed with the City of Orno or be paid on call.

900
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,560
I should say with the City of Orno, as well as those who are currently,

901
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,900
it sounds like these individuals currently serve long lake fire.

902
01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:45,500
So in July of next year, how would that work if there are calls, let's say multiple calls at one time that would require paid on call?

903
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:48,420
How do these individuals know which city there is funding to?

904
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:54,060
I guess that would be up to them on which city they would want to respond to on a paid on call perspective.

905
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:59,520
Whichever page goes off, typically the first one would probably, that's where they would respond.

906
01:13:00,220 --> 01:13:06,740
And then we'd have, you know, if there's a back-to-back call, then we'd have to take a look at what other options there are.

907
01:13:07,620 --> 01:13:12,440
Do you, and you don't think having a pay difference is going to affect that decision in any way?

908
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:19,060
I could answer for my firefighters as to what it is. Most of them say they don't do it for the pay.

909
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,020
They do it to serve the communities.

910
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:25,370
I don't have anything else, thanks.

911
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:34,410
I just want to point out that chief Mike we brought up serving multiple departments and then I think he said currently there are

912
01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:38,090
handful. I want to say four or five that serve on another department.

913
01:13:38,150 --> 01:13:41,030
Yeah, I know of a couple on long legs and still serve on a couple of days.

914
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:46,890
It's not on those for those communities where they're serving on multiple departments located this close to each other.

915
01:13:47,190 --> 01:13:47,250
Yes.

916
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:48,950
What so would it be?

917
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:52,850
It's just a fire or a long leg fire so they butt right up against each other.

918
01:13:53,730 --> 01:13:54,990
Okay, thank you.

919
01:13:57,730 --> 01:13:58,990
Anybody want to make a motion?

920
01:13:59,750 --> 01:14:00,630
I'll make a motion.

921
01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:06,910
I'll make a motion to approve the conditional job offers of Jeff Crawl, Ryan Canayvy,

922
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:19,850
J.B. Seals, Jason Hinker, Mike John's Root, Ben Carlson, and Tom Aldrich as paid on call firefighters at the rate of $16 an hour with the start date of October 10th, 2023.

923
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:33,630
And I'll just say that for the record again that I have the same concerns about this agenda item that I did about the previous one, this department is untusted and we're increasing risk to the city and to our residents.

924
01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:47,450
I'm sorry to take a moment to say I'm sorry that we use that time to not acknowledge our charter members and just wanted to say thank you personally for coming and thank you to the charter members for being part of something special.

925
01:14:50,230 --> 01:14:57,470
Okay motion a second all in favor say aye. I opposed no that passes 4 to 1 get that right I didn't have

926
01:14:57,470 --> 01:14:59,610
Yep, this is a big this is a big day

927
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:12,260
And we have one more to go. Congratulations. We have one more to go. We've single one individual out. Number 18, which is another authorization to hire paid on call. Yes. No discussion.

928
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:19,780
So the purpose of this action is to gain approval to hire a paid on call firefighter for response at station two.

929
01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:22,520
selection process has been the same as the previous.

930
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,820
Ben Beach has experienced a firefighter with another department.

931
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:31,620
He's passed firefighter 1 and 2 and is currently EMR with conversations of becoming an EMT for us.

932
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:37,520
He's excited to become a charter member of the Orno Fire Department and looks forward to creating the best Fire Department and Relief Association.

933
01:15:38,340 --> 01:15:42,300
I do recommend Ben Beach with six years of serving Orno for conditional job offers.

934
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:47,180
A paid uncle firefighter with effective start date of October 10, 2023.

935
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:54,440
For limited administrative duties, firefighter training, and other such duties will begin on or after January 1st, 2024.

936
01:15:55,700 --> 01:15:56,860
Any other questions?

937
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:00,920
No, I just stay for the record that I understand.

938
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,520
I don't know that any Councilmember Beach needs to recuse herself from this vote.

939
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:07,840
Chief, she is recuse yourself.

940
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:12,180
Yeah, Mr. Mayor, Council, I have talked to Councilmember Beach about this.

941
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:17,160
I do feel she has an inflictive interest that asks her not to vote on this or participate in this.

942
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,520
discussion on this particular item.

943
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,600
You see for the record what the conflict is, please.

944
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:22,560
It's your husband.

945
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:24,520
And there's an appointment.

946
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:24,640
There's an appointment.

947
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:25,980
Okay, thank you.

948
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:28,080
Any other questions?

949
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,860
No, I would just say, again, this is an area where I've expressed concern before.

950
01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:40,880
And it's an unfortunate situation when the optics of fire in our city and the optics of an appointment

951
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:46,900
or a hire like this are, in my opinion, not ideal for a city that's engaged in a law

952
01:16:46,900 --> 01:16:51,820
to and having this much discord around this issue of fire service in our city.

953
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,580
Okay, like a motion.

954
01:16:55,180 --> 01:17:01,760
Yeah, I'm excited to make this motion to approve the conditional job offer to bend each.

955
01:17:02,180 --> 01:17:08,000
As a paid-on-qual firefighter at the rate of $16 an hour with a start date of October 10th, 2023.

956
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:09,960
Congratulations, Ben.

957
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:12,280
I'll second that.

958
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,240
All right, well in favor say aye.

959
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,180
Aye.

960
01:17:15,540 --> 01:17:15,700
Opposed?

961
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:16,300
No.

962
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:17,860
That passes three to one.

963
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:19,360
Okay.

964
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:20,660
That'll bring us to 19.

965
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,460
Thank you, Ben.

966
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:22,920
Absolutely.

967
01:17:23,980 --> 01:17:27,920
That's going to bring us to number 19, which is authorization to direct staff to begin process

968
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,480
further creating the Ornall Fire Relief Association.

969
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,920
I do want to say one thing before we move on to this one, that reason that all of them aren't

970
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,960
here tonight is I didn't ask them to be here tonight.

971
01:17:38,540 --> 01:17:42,780
I do want them to come back once we have them in uniform and do a nice sweat in ceremony

972
01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:47,880
probably be January to February timeframe, to be able to do that and do what we're doing.

973
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,460
We would enjoy that as well.

974
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:50,800
Yeah, it would be awesome.

975
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,940
Yeah, Shane helped us out a little bit today so he was able to swing by his state so I was

976
01:17:55,940 --> 01:17:56,620
kind of happy.

977
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:57,480
All right.

978
01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:57,680
All right.

979
01:18:01,580 --> 01:18:01,980
Sure.

980
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,600
Oh, I do not view this as there being a conflict of interest.

981
01:18:07,780 --> 01:18:11,780
This is a procedural item to create a process for the entire city.

982
01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:14,270
That's right.

983
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:17,750
So thanks Mr. Mayor and Council.

984
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:21,810
So the purpose of this action item before us is to authorize staff to convene the paid

985
01:18:21,810 --> 01:18:26,930
on-call firefighters together, the purpose of creating a relief association, Council approved

986
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:30,630
the creation of a municipal fire department, the hiring of paid on-call firefighters allows

987
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:35,430
for the formation of the first relief association, or the fire relief association for the purpose

988
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:40,630
of overseeing the pensions of the paid on-call firefighters, the hiring of paid on-call

989
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:44,850
firefighters allows the opportunity to select a relief association board, and to begin the

990
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:47,190
process of creating a fire relief association.

991
01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:50,130
Relief board is made up of six paid on-call firefighters and three

992
01:18:50,130 --> 01:18:51,150
exhibition members.

993
01:18:51,790 --> 01:18:55,930
Those three official members typically are the fire chief, the city administrator and the mayor.

994
01:18:56,590 --> 01:19:00,530
The board along with the paid on-call firefighters are able to determine their type of pension benefit.

995
01:19:01,430 --> 01:19:06,590
That they so choose, they will then have to file bylaws with the state of Minnesota auditor's office.

996
01:19:07,210 --> 01:19:09,230
Complete an investment policy with them also.

997
01:19:10,050 --> 01:19:14,770
Besides that, the relief board will have to file articles of incorporation.

998
01:19:14,770 --> 01:19:18,310
for a non-profit with the Secretary of State.

999
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:24,150
The relief board should be able to be selected by December 1st, the bylaws and articles and

1000
01:19:24,150 --> 01:19:25,450
the corporation, hopefully filed.

1001
01:19:26,050 --> 01:19:29,950
We're looking at a March 1st timeline to do that to be done.

1002
01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:33,770
Once those are drafted, obviously we've got to go through a legal review and we'll bring

1003
01:19:33,770 --> 01:19:35,850
them back to the City Council for approval also.

1004
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:41,110
Staff recommends that the Council authorize staff to begin the creation of a relief fire

1005
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:47,330
Any other questions for the chief on that?

1006
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:49,790
All right.

1007
01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:51,010
Seeing none, I'm going to make a motion.

1008
01:19:51,570 --> 01:19:58,630
Yeah, I'll make a motion to direct staff to begin the process to create a fire relief association.

1009
01:19:59,510 --> 01:20:00,230
I'll second that.

1010
01:20:00,590 --> 01:20:01,030
Second.

1011
01:20:01,810 --> 01:20:04,650
I don't support this for reasons I stated earlier.

1012
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:05,930
No, did.

1013
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:07,450
I want a favor say aye.

1014
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:08,050
Aye.

1015
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:08,730
Opposed?

1016
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:09,090
No.

1017
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:10,710
That passes 4-1.

1018
01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:14,310
Okay, if that'll any other things for fire reports and HG?

1019
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:24,890
Well, yeah, chief, it means really important, it's really good to get to everything going here.

1020
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:27,930
And this relief is a really important piece of this.

1021
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:34,210
And what I like a lot about this is we're getting these firefighters on.

1022
01:20:34,570 --> 01:20:39,670
And you get to be part of the formation of our new department, it's really important.

1023
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:43,790
There's been a lot of talk about bringing in experts in all these pieces.

1024
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:59,650
But what this allows us to do is get the direct impact of the firefighters at this effects and we have an opportunity here as a city to get this started off in the right way and with a lot of firefighter input that is our inaugural group coming in.

1025
01:20:59,830 --> 01:21:07,330
So this is a really important step. I'm excited about it and nice job getting this started.

1026
01:21:07,330 --> 01:21:13,750
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. We also just finished up a couple of years last Thursday, so we're going to be looking at them.

1027
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:24,250
One is for the Firefighter Tech Admin position, which is open until the end of the month here, and then we have two more interviews coming up this coming Thursday, therefore part-time duty crew members.

1028
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:30,810
So we've got a lot of momentum moving, and I do want to thank the council for their support. Thank you.

1029
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:31,690
All right. Thank you.

1030
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:35,790
That will bring us to our city attorney report.

1031
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:39,810
Mr. Mayor, members of the council, I don't have any report for right now.

1032
01:21:39,970 --> 01:21:42,070
We will have a close session later on in the agenda.

1033
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:46,350
That will bring us to Adam, our city administrator, and your report.

1034
01:21:46,890 --> 01:21:51,430
On the engineering side, we're getting to the fall, so we're wrapping up most of our major

1035
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:52,350
construction projects.

1036
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:58,470
Most recently, the Tonkwell Parton was placed into operation.

1037
01:21:58,470 --> 01:22:04,850
That project still has a bunch of restoration to do along the site, but that was for last

1038
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:08,630
major moving piece was getting the park would remain into operation.

1039
01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:13,590
Over at our public new public work facility, you see a lot of concrete going in.

1040
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:21,650
So curving for the parking lot area went in last week as well as we finally had ore inside

1041
01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:22,070
the building.

1042
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:28,030
We had concrete flooring inside the office area with the other areas soon to get their flooring

1043
01:22:28,030 --> 01:22:42,970
So the idea there is to get the building buttoned up for the winter with all that the interior trades will continue to work throughout the winter so that we are still on track for an April project completion on that one.

1044
01:22:44,410 --> 01:22:45,290
And that's all I have.

1045
01:22:47,330 --> 01:22:52,870
That will bring us to our council committee reports, number 20, we had our long-lake fire

1046
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:53,710
advisory board.

1047
01:22:55,190 --> 01:22:56,410
Are you and Richard?

1048
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:06,260
I guess I missed the last council meeting I apologize, I had a funeral that evening

1049
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:07,920
for young men in the area.

1050
01:23:10,340 --> 01:23:16,740
On the last fire advisory board meeting I thought we were in a positive, we had some positive

1051
01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:17,260
momentum.

1052
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:27,100
some regarding pay, the budget, going in the proper direction of departments working together, possibly in the future.

1053
01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:43,320
A lot of that, I think, has been dashed with lack of communication, lack of long lake, fulfilling its obligation, showing us rationals regarding their duty crew models and so forth.

1054
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,900
The Orano Fire Department is going to happen, it is happening.

1055
01:23:50,660 --> 01:23:52,900
So we're proceeding to move ahead.

1056
01:23:53,140 --> 01:24:02,140
We had discussions on pay and that's exactly why I wanted to move their pay higher than what they were recommending back at the time.

1057
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:05,060
So I recommend it 1565.

1058
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:17,860
Some of my big concerns is as the City of Long Lake's biggest client, we can't get the chief out here to have a meeting or to have a discussion with us.

1059
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:25,120
And we've asked them it's not going to be an interrogation, but to give updates, kind of see where things are rat for them.

1060
01:24:26,620 --> 01:24:30,740
And to have the chief not respond is not real positive.

1061
01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:44,940
So that's not the future of a working relationship, and I have concerns that unfortunately people are putting egos ahead of the job, and that's a problem.

1062
01:24:46,220 --> 01:24:58,620
It's important to take care of and do the job that you're there for, and I would have liked to see some positive steps forward from the chief and

1063
01:24:58,620 --> 01:25:28,560
folks at long-lake to do that and because to gain a working relationship, because the chief has been doing this for a long time, I know him very well, and it's important that chiefs and fire personnel work well with their neighboring cities, and it's a little part of mutual aid and so forth, and if there's not a discussion to bring things together now, and try to bridge that gap, even if long-lake decides to go out and they're going to go out on their own, which

1064
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:34,180
which is fine, they have that opportunity, it's not a lot of room for growth.

1065
01:25:35,140 --> 01:25:37,180
So those are my biggest concerns.

1066
01:25:39,230 --> 01:25:41,830
I have, did you want to share more about?

1067
01:25:42,210 --> 01:25:49,350
Sure, I shared at our last meeting a recap of what I thought was a pretty successful meeting and

1068
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:58,630
good conversation and again, I went actually to their long legs meeting to talk in person because I thought

1069
01:25:58,630 --> 01:26:01,250
But our in-person conversations have been quite fruitful.

1070
01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:08,070
I think there's been compromise and understanding that can't be done by packets and emails.

1071
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:13,410
And I've reached out saying that I think that that's the best way to move forward is to continue that.

1072
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:21,690
And I think we have a request out to have another meeting and I think we're, I'm hopeful that that will happen.

1073
01:26:22,990 --> 01:26:29,230
I'm thinking back to the meeting where you weren't able to be here, we discussed the long-lake fire budget at the last meeting.

1074
01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:53,150
It's something that I've been trying to understand why it is that we would have had that agenda item on there when you weren't able to be here, given that you two are the representatives and have done, as I said in the meeting, a great degree of work over three, I think at least three-fired advisory boardings to hone a budget that was able to be presented to us.

1075
01:26:53,150 --> 01:26:54,990
that night that was recommended by staff.

1076
01:26:55,350 --> 01:27:00,830
And I do know that the condition about lowering that cost of duty crews,

1077
01:27:00,830 --> 01:27:05,930
which you've mentioned, was very concerning to you from around 80 or

1078
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:08,510
so thousand to underneath 60, which it was.

1079
01:27:08,850 --> 01:27:14,910
And my understanding was with the fruitful discussions, and with that number of vettings of that budget,

1080
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:19,970
I met a loss as to why we weren't in agreement or

1081
01:27:19,970 --> 01:27:22,110
still couldn't be about getting that pass.

1082
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:28,390
we've tabled at the last meeting, but I'm not understanding the purpose for another go around

1083
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:33,470
at a fire advisory meeting when we've had two representatives who've done all the hard work and

1084
01:27:33,470 --> 01:27:37,010
have had fruitful discussions and we had a staff recommendation to prove that night.

1085
01:27:38,450 --> 01:27:39,750
And I can speak to that.

1086
01:27:40,290 --> 01:27:45,090
I'd like to hear Councilmember Crosby as well because you're, you're both heading in.

1087
01:27:45,090 --> 01:27:52,390
So for me, me not being here was a very late last-minute decision that I had to make.

1088
01:27:53,530 --> 01:27:54,750
You know, he had no choice.

1089
01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:59,030
So it was a personal decision that I had to make.

1090
01:27:59,150 --> 01:28:03,610
I wanted to be around to support my daughter during a very difficult time.

1091
01:28:05,790 --> 01:28:13,870
But I also thought that the ball was moving forward as far as progression and people working together and things of that nature.

1092
01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:15,850
And that's not happening.

1093
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:23,970
It hasn't happened as far as discussions of having the chief possibly fill one of the

1094
01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:29,250
duty crew roles at station two, which would alleviate a lot from the budget.

1095
01:28:30,370 --> 01:28:36,150
You know, those things were not moving forward even though there was discussion on it.

1096
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:38,390
So that's concerning.

1097
01:28:38,650 --> 01:28:43,330
And again, I have the utmost respect for Chief Island.

1098
01:28:43,330 --> 01:28:48,650
I've worked with him. He's a great man. But I think it's important that he gets here

1099
01:28:48,650 --> 01:28:52,630
and addresses the counsel and addresses any questions the counsel may have. That's

1100
01:28:52,630 --> 01:28:58,970
not unreasonable. James would come to the counsel on a periodic basis and address the

1101
01:28:58,970 --> 01:29:03,450
counsel and give us updates and so forth, too, when he was the long-lake fire chief.

1102
01:29:03,970 --> 01:29:08,770
Those aren't unreasonable requests. And if it takes having another fire advisory board

1103
01:29:08,770 --> 01:29:11,990
If they're meeting if they're not willing to do it, that's a problem.

1104
01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:17,590
You know, I don't think it's bad to hire some of these things out.

1105
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:24,510
Because as our representatives, you've been going to at least, I think it was three meetings to discuss the budget.

1106
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:31,550
They were fruitful, and what I'm trying to understand is, is there a condition attached to this budget related to the chief fan aisle

1107
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:40,290
working somehow to fill in hours of training or to save budgetary expenses on the

1108
01:29:40,290 --> 01:29:43,950
part of Orno, is that part of, is that what is holding it?

1109
01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:47,490
I think you would have to see a working relationship, yeah.

1110
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:52,990
At least, at least for me, it would help to show there's a bridge there that you're

1111
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:58,030
willing to work together, which is necessary because I think it was you that pointed

1112
01:29:58,030 --> 01:29:58,410
it out.

1113
01:29:58,830 --> 01:29:59,970
It's necessary that need

1114
01:30:01,380 --> 01:30:09,360
Well, if we're not doing it now, it's going to be very difficult down the road. And I agree with you, it is important. The neighboring

1115
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:16,640
cities work together. Right. What I'm trying to prove. So that's part of one of the things that we were talking about by having

1116
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:25,200
James fill that role. And he knows almost all, if not every single piece of personnel over there, so that helps

1117
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:43,820
What I'm trying to understand is whether or not our chief chief and Isles participation in overdoing whatever it is administrative training duties in order to reduce budget on the part of order of 2024, is that a condition of approving this budget is what I'm trying to understand.

1118
01:30:43,820 --> 01:30:46,060
Let me speak to it just for a quick second.

1119
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,520
I mean, Marie can speak to this more, too.

1120
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:53,580
When they're having these conversations, they report back as well that the chief Highland

1121
01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:55,880
over at Long Lake said he would think about these items.

1122
01:30:56,380 --> 01:30:59,500
Well, thinking about them and giving us a response for two different things we've not had

1123
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:00,280
any responses.

1124
01:31:00,820 --> 01:31:04,800
So until we actually get responses, we're not under any obligation to do anything.

1125
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,300
We need to get some answers, and I think it's reasonable to get those answers.

1126
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:14,020
And then on top of it, the budget also had no recollection, which I think we just got

1127
01:31:14,020 --> 01:31:17,940
the numbers now for the Nabar part that has the whole territory of the value.

1128
01:31:18,460 --> 01:31:20,700
We have to have the correct budget for the year.

1129
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:25,120
We're just not going to do a budget for an entire year and say we'll figure out the part

1130
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,340
that we need to subtract later.

1131
01:31:26,620 --> 01:31:30,300
Now, we need to have the right budget, and they did not have the right budget yet, so that's

1132
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:31,100
also part of it.

1133
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,860
So was that part of the discussions between Council Member Crosby and Veech during these

1134
01:31:35,860 --> 01:31:45,420
that you needed to have an agreement prior to approving the 2024 budget that's the area two was going to be somehow carved out.

1135
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:46,800
That was an agreement of that.

1136
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,220
No, it was not.

1137
01:31:48,380 --> 01:31:53,660
From my personal perspective, it was us moving ahead in a working type of relationship.

1138
01:31:54,620 --> 01:31:58,100
And the response that we've seen, I'm not seeing it.

1139
01:31:58,860 --> 01:32:02,400
So I don't think it's bad to engage again in conversation.

1140
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:09,420
I know I'm personally willing to go to another fire advisory board meeting and have more discussions.

1141
01:32:09,780 --> 01:32:17,060
What exactly, it would help me to quantify exactly what it is that the city of Orna is looking for in this budget.

1142
01:32:17,060 --> 01:32:19,640
The dollar amount that needs to be decreased, or is it?

1143
01:32:19,860 --> 01:32:21,520
The chief needs to give us some answers, he says.

1144
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,820
No, when I said quantify, the word is quantify, that means what is it?

1145
01:32:26,380 --> 01:32:32,020
I'd like to see the chief that we're paying most of his salary actually show up at an

1146
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:33,300
Orano City Hall meeting.

1147
01:32:33,660 --> 01:32:36,720
So we can approve the budget if Chef Island comes before the-

1148
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,300
Well, it's going to be part of it, yeah, that'll be part of it.

1149
01:32:40,660 --> 01:32:49,420
And then the other things they'll break down is dollars wise if James was there, what would that reduce the budget by?

1150
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:54,340
If James as a piece of personnel was there, what can that help us with?

1151
01:32:54,340 --> 01:33:00,120
And Ron can come up with a figure with Adam and say, this is approximately how much this would save us.

1152
01:33:00,820 --> 01:33:01,780
So we are in act-

1153
01:33:01,780 --> 01:33:03,200
For those things should be analyzed.

1154
01:33:03,940 --> 01:33:13,120
We are in active litigation, and I would also point out that if there are specific questions that the City Council

1155
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:20,500
feels that Chief Highland or the City of Long Lake Fire needs to have answered, it would be helpful to have those expressly

1156
01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:25,680
We determined a head of calling Chief Highland in front of Ornus City Council.

1157
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:29,440
I'm interested to know what specifically we're looking for.

1158
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:35,340
I don't mean to cut you out, but that would be the purpose of another meeting is to establish that on the record.

1159
01:33:35,700 --> 01:33:41,620
So we don't know at this point what it is we as a council need to understand better from Chief Highland.

1160
01:33:41,940 --> 01:33:42,900
I think we all do.

1161
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,000
Yeah, no, we've said, so you say quantify, I say quantify.

1162
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,100
Right, what are the questions?

1163
01:33:47,980 --> 01:33:48,420
Qualifying.

1164
01:33:48,420 --> 01:33:56,240
So it's a so the duty crew program itself is a hundred percent just a test it's a beta you get possibly better results

1165
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:02,860
But it is not changing the operating style that they're doing right now. They are still all paid on call every call is paid

1166
01:34:02,860 --> 01:34:05,200
Shout it changes nothing. It is just a

1167
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:12,180
A beta test, right? So for us to pay a beta test and not have any quantifiable

1168
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:18,300
Numbers so we've gotten some reporting from and we were trying to approve a budget with

1169
01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:20,440
one month of results at first, right?

1170
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,960
Well, now we have a quarter worth of duty group,

1171
01:34:23,220 --> 01:34:26,060
and I think we could get much more data to support

1172
01:34:26,060 --> 01:34:28,180
what is the best budget we'll be in forward.

1173
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,680
When you ask are there conditional spends,

1174
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,240
conditional terms, no, but those are all for me, there isn't.

1175
01:34:34,620 --> 01:34:37,360
I wouldn't say I would only do this if this happens.

1176
01:34:37,660 --> 01:34:39,320
I will never say I will vote this way,

1177
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:43,240
because I think that handcuffs you to not being open

1178
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,940
to listening in my opinion, coming to a meeting,

1179
01:34:45,940 --> 01:34:50,660
being coming to something with a preset idea, well then what's the point?

1180
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:51,960
You already made your decision.

1181
01:34:52,820 --> 01:34:57,000
So for me, I thought that every meeting I've gone to has been productive.

1182
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:02,940
I encourage, I went there in person to shake their hands to say, here's where I'm thinking,

1183
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:10,480
and here's why I think in person meetings was told, hey, by the agreement, we only have to have so many.

1184
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:12,600
I go, I get that, but if it is beneficial.

1185
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:17,540
And when you say it can reduce Orno's budget, it would also reduce long-lakes budget, right?

1186
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:18,880
Because it's a budget we share.

1187
01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:27,360
So it is something that I think it's a win-win when having good conversation builds relationship or rebuilds.

1188
01:35:27,540 --> 01:35:37,340
I think it brings out instead of just addressing issues as they come up, it brings out holistic approach to solution problem-solving.

1189
01:35:37,340 --> 01:35:43,520
I mean, and I don't think, I mean, I think that's where a conversation is, so I think that's the question.

1190
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:49,660
I could not agree more that in person negotiation or however, it is a very important thing.

1191
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:57,520
What I'm trying to wrap my head around is that we had, and again, you had a need to be somewhere which is as it is in life at times.

1192
01:35:58,020 --> 01:36:04,540
But we had a budget before us recommended by staff that we weren't in a place to approve after three fired vice report meetings.

1193
01:36:04,540 --> 01:36:08,960
So what I'm trying to understand is what needs to be different in order to get this budget approved.

1194
01:36:09,140 --> 01:36:15,480
And as far as untested models and beta sites go, the Orno Fire Department is being set up with no testing at all.

1195
01:36:19,050 --> 01:36:26,690
So regarding the idea that we don't want to fund duty crews, or having trouble with the financials for

1196
01:36:26,690 --> 01:36:32,590
duty crews because it is a beta or a test model with long lake, therefore we don't have enough data.

1197
01:36:32,590 --> 01:36:37,490
We have no data on the Orner Fire Department, and we're willing to put a millions of dollars to it.

1198
01:36:38,250 --> 01:36:41,330
So that's all I have to say, I think what my suggestion is-

1199
01:36:41,330 --> 01:36:44,450
It's also a brand new department, not one that's been around a long time.

1200
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:47,670
That's not an apple's name.

1201
01:36:48,670 --> 01:36:49,810
It's not an apple's name.

1202
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:54,270
I am having a conversation because this is about our residents and it was about public safety.

1203
01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:57,130
So our model is untested.

1204
01:36:57,630 --> 01:37:01,110
It involves a high degree of risk and millions of dollars.

1205
01:37:01,110 --> 01:37:08,430
And we are not having this type of debate regarding capital expenditures or operational costs for the Hornet Fire Department.

1206
01:37:08,690 --> 01:37:15,130
We are having it at a budget that is increased by about 20-22% over last year, which is fairly standard.

1207
01:37:15,330 --> 01:37:17,890
And we've all agreed that it has been underfunded over time.

1208
01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:24,110
So all I ask is that I will support, if it's another meeting, I think face to face is great.

1209
01:37:24,250 --> 01:37:28,950
I think what my perspective is, is there needs to be a very, very tangible and

1210
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:35,010
a chief of all goal going into this rather than because we have built relationships we spent.

1211
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:40,830
Now we are two representatives, there's been a great deal of time doing this already.

1212
01:37:41,290 --> 01:37:44,410
So what's going to be different with another meeting is the question.

1213
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:48,210
Well, first of all, maybe the chief will show up to the meeting because two out of the three meetings, the chief didn't.

1214
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:52,890
And as it relates to that, I want to, when you're finished, I want to address something about that.

1215
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:58,510
Okay, it matters a great deal in the fire community.

1216
01:37:59,250 --> 01:38:09,710
And in basic decency in general, that we as a council not talk about other municipalities,

1217
01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:13,450
staff, elected officials in terms that are disparaging.

1218
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:20,260
And what I know, having met with a number of people in fire, not in Orno and Long Lake,

1219
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:26,180
but in surrounding communities is that all cities are watching exactly what we do at all times,

1220
01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:27,760
especially as it relates to fire.

1221
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:33,520
So we can't, in one breath, say that Chief Hyland is welcome here and we want to

1222
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:38,360
interrogate and then make comments that he had with us.

1223
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,340
No, no, no, no.

1224
01:38:39,460 --> 01:38:40,500
Well, no, no, no.

1225
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:41,900
I wasn't saying that.

1226
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,740
I specifically said how much I respected Mike Hyland.

1227
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:54,060
So when you get on the soapbox and start telling our city how we should conduct

1228
01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:59,320
ourselves with other elected officials, it's laughable.

1229
01:38:59,860 --> 01:39:02,700
I keep my mouth shut when it comes to other city officials.

1230
01:39:03,180 --> 01:39:05,500
I don't get the same respect coming back.

1231
01:39:06,260 --> 01:39:10,740
And I specifically said, here tonight, and it's great because we've got several

1232
01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:16,140
attorneys present how much I respected and liked Mike Highland and worked with him.

1233
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,140
He's not going to be interrogated here.

1234
01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:21,920
It's a simple question and answer.

1235
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:23,200
That's it.

1236
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,220
He's been invited several times.

1237
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,780
Chief Ann Isle showed up to meetings when he was the chief of Long Lake Fire.

1238
01:39:30,260 --> 01:39:32,480
That's not an unreasonable request.

1239
01:39:33,740 --> 01:39:34,240
It's not.

1240
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:44,040
And I just think it's amazing that you can so quickly vote for any Long Lake budget

1241
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:50,340
whatsoever, but when it comes to an Orno budget or supplying the Orno Fire Department

1242
01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:54,920
with a personnel, any equipment it needs, it's a no, no, no.

1243
01:39:54,920 --> 01:40:01,060
Well, guess what, I look at this wall, that says Orno, it does not say Long Lake.

1244
01:40:01,420 --> 01:40:06,740
We are here to represent Orno, and for somebody who served the Fire Department for

1245
01:40:06,740 --> 01:40:11,400
10 years to say that I don't care about these people, is an insult.

1246
01:40:12,100 --> 01:40:15,200
I don't know that I said that, Councilmember Crosby.

1247
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,400
But you didn't care about that.

1248
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:22,520
I'm saying, think about representing the City of Orno and instead of representing

1249
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:23,700
the City of Long Lake.

1250
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:24,640
point of order.

1251
01:40:24,740 --> 01:40:25,740
Because that is our job.

1252
01:40:26,420 --> 01:40:27,760
That's what we were sworn to do.

1253
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:28,340
Point of order.

1254
01:40:28,940 --> 01:40:51,620
Okay, so I think we can move this along, but, you know, in summary here, the point of this particular item was a report from the advisory board, and we established at the last meeting, I have no idea why you have such a great sense of urgency to get this budget passed.

1255
01:40:51,620 --> 01:41:18,440
We establish there is time, we have time to pass this budget and only make sense to continue our conversations with Long Lake, make sure that we are optimizing all of the efficiencies that we can have because we're not doing that right now, let's understand it, let's benefit, this relationship is ended, the contract is ending.

1256
01:41:18,980 --> 01:41:24,620
We want to find a way to work together in the future, because it isn't together, we've established that.

1257
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,160
We're starting our own department, but they're still our neighbor, we want to work with them.

1258
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:35,120
Let's keep, thank you for both of you, for continuing to work towards some amicable solutions.

1259
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:36,940
I think we should keep talking.

1260
01:41:37,420 --> 01:41:41,240
We haven't tell the end of the year to get the budget passed, there is no urgency.

1261
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,740
So let's keep communicating and get to an end to it.

1262
01:41:44,940 --> 01:41:47,940
And I think with that, we can find the next item, can we?

1263
01:41:47,940 --> 01:41:53,560
I would like to know what does not, what happens if this budget is not passed by the end of the year.

1264
01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:54,040
What happened?

1265
01:41:55,040 --> 01:42:00,780
Okay, last meeting, there's provisions inside of our contract, but we're not at that point.

1266
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:13,840
We have until the end of December to put it together, so let these two continue with their good progress on this subject, and we'll get closer to good answers, and we'll move on from there.

1267
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,740
I don't know more than willing to do another fire advisory board meeting.

1268
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,320
I'm not going to speak for you, Maria, but I've been here.

1269
01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:20,140
Okay.

1270
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,480
I think discussion is going to be important.

1271
01:42:23,860 --> 01:42:28,880
I support all of that and there's not the sense of urgency is simply trained to understand

1272
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:33,240
what it is we're missing here, because we could have meeting after meeting and it's,

1273
01:42:33,460 --> 01:42:38,820
and it's important to understand if you're having a meeting what the purpose is.

1274
01:42:38,820 --> 01:43:06,640
because I think there have been my understanding, multiple meetings, and the information reporting out of those meetings was that it was productive, we were converging, and we had a motion or agenda item to approve with staff recommends last time, so the urgency wasn't set by me, it's that we've already decided to postpone something that was before us a few weeks ago, so I'm trying to understand a path forward, and I support another meeting as well, if that's what it takes.

1275
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:08,940
I'll make a motion and discussion.

1276
01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:11,840
Okay, let's move on to public comments.

1277
01:43:13,260 --> 01:43:16,280
This is an opportunity for the public to address the City Council.

1278
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,580
The Council will not engage in discussion to take action and items presented at this time.

1279
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:25,380
However, the Council may refer issues to staff or follow-up or consideration at a future meeting.

1280
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:29,880
Speakers should state their name and home address and city at the podium before speaking.

1281
01:43:30,460 --> 01:43:34,440
The Council will first open up the podium to City of Ordinal Residence before opening the podium

1282
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:37,240
to any member of the public wishing to address the council.

1283
01:43:37,780 --> 01:43:43,300
If three minutes, I will keep the timings on the screen so you can watch it as you're

1284
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:43,640
talking.

1285
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,760
So is any oral residents here tonight that like to come up and talk?

1286
01:43:56,980 --> 01:43:59,300
Hi, I'm Kim Karswell at 261 Signet Place.

1287
01:43:59,980 --> 01:44:04,900
As a resident of Orano, I will continue to comment on how the city is proceeding to build

1288
01:44:04,900 --> 01:44:08,680
a new fire department up until the next election when we have people up for election.

1289
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,540
Ms. Vitch, Mr. Crosby and Mr. Walsh.

1290
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:15,100
So, our citizens continue to engage and understand what is happening.

1291
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:16,760
Tonight I will share four points.

1292
01:44:17,620 --> 01:44:21,740
The Council has adamantly refused to truly listen to the residents of Orano.

1293
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,000
Open houses sound good on paper.

1294
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:30,500
However, they have been handled on a way to stifle comments and collect the collected data is not deemed valuable.

1295
01:44:31,340 --> 01:44:35,940
The benefits of Orano building a fire department from the ground up have not been clearly articulated.

1296
01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:39,300
Yes, we are the bigger city and yes, we pay a larger portion.

1297
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:43,520
of the cost with Lawn Lake. This is acceptable to many of us who value that.

1298
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:51,920
Response times that were cited by our fire chief without data were disputed by the Lawn Lake Fire Department with sound data.

1299
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:56,580
The cost seemed to be more, so what are the true benefits of the citizens of Orano?

1300
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,980
The mediation session yielded nothing as Orano did.

1301
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:22,100
It did not truly go into that process constructively as the mayor indicated he would, and an earlier council meeting when he was asked, asked, sorry. The financial picture of this endeavor is high level and obtuse in the public eye. How can a city the size of Orono with the current budget assumes such a cost without significant risk? And it's hard to understand those. Thank you very much.

1302
01:45:22,860 --> 01:45:25,460
Any other one of residents that would like to come up tonight?

1303
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:35,960
I'm Helen Landgraver.

1304
01:45:36,260 --> 01:45:51,540
I live at 2570 Thurobred Lane in O'Neill and I'm really glad I came to this meeting because I have to say this was the first meeting that I've come to where Council Member Crosby, I've actually agreed with something that you've uttered.

1305
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:57,600
Yes, you were elected to represent the citizens of O'Neill.

1306
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:04,540
Councilmember Johnson, you were elected to represent the citizens of Orano.

1307
01:46:07,300 --> 01:46:14,420
Mayor Walsh, you were elected to represent the citizens of Orano.

1308
01:46:15,860 --> 01:46:26,720
Councilmember Vich, you were seated, but your responsibility is to represent the citizens of Orano.

1309
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:35,580
Councilmember Benson, you were elected to represent the citizens of Arno and I thank you for your service.

1310
01:46:37,700 --> 01:46:49,180
What is very clear after many meetings, after a vocal opposition continued vocal opposition

1311
01:46:49,850 --> 01:46:57,420
to the formation of an independent fire department for Arno, that this council, the majority of the

1312
01:46:57,420 --> 01:47:06,820
The members on this council have not made a compelling case for the reason that an independent fire department must exist.

1313
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:23,720
So with that, I ask I plead again and again and as have other community members for you to actually listen to what your citizenship is saying.

1314
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:36,930
One final note, Mayor Walsh, I appreciate that you seem to have an interest in people

1315
01:47:36,930 --> 01:47:38,470
not talking over each other.

1316
01:47:39,010 --> 01:47:48,070
I would really like to express my hope that you apply that same standard across the entire

1317
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:48,830
council.

1318
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:50,750
Thank you.

1319
01:47:52,330 --> 01:47:54,890
Anybody else from Oernow would like to come up tonight?

1320
01:47:57,540 --> 01:47:59,760
You know other people from Oernow?

1321
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:03,580
Is there any other non-citizens of Oernow that would like to come up and speak tonight?

1322
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:21,740
Veterans in 21, 150 horseshoe trail, I just moved recently, I'm glad I'm not in this neighborhood anymore.

1323
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:28,700
Mr. Crosby, a couple three meetings ago, two meetings ago, we had a,

1324
01:48:28,700 --> 01:48:31,380
A little bit of a curve fuffle out front.

1325
01:48:31,740 --> 01:48:34,380
I hope it was caught on body camera.

1326
01:48:34,900 --> 01:48:36,120
I almost got arrested.

1327
01:48:37,480 --> 01:48:38,780
That was interesting.

1328
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:44,780
But it was all over the Nazi stuff, remember?

1329
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:47,040
Three meetings ago.

1330
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,960
You called me a Nazi from the dais here in Orano.

1331
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:52,740
How is that representing the citizens here?

1332
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:54,560
Why are you looking at them?

1333
01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:58,600
Are they going to arrest me for exercising my first amendment, right?

1334
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:04,540
Is that what you were doing out in Washington, D.C. on January 6th of 2021?

1335
01:49:05,220 --> 01:49:06,380
Is that what you were doing?

1336
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:07,880
That's funny to you.

1337
01:49:08,660 --> 01:49:09,760
I don't think it's real funny.

1338
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:11,720
Boring to you?

1339
01:49:12,140 --> 01:49:13,540
I don't think it's real boring either.

1340
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:20,540
I don't think that legally you should even be allowed to sit there.

1341
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:24,440
Because in the Constitution, as you should know,

1342
01:49:26,750 --> 01:49:28,710
anyone who has any part in

1343
01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:31,130
insurrection or giving aid or

1344
01:49:31,130 --> 01:49:33,690
comfort to anyone involved in an

1345
01:49:33,690 --> 01:49:37,430
insurrection is unfit for

1346
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:39,670
office. I think that includes

1347
01:49:39,670 --> 01:49:42,490
you. I wonder how involved he

1348
01:49:42,490 --> 01:49:44,730
was, you know, with the videos

1349
01:49:44,730 --> 01:49:46,650
you guys send out. What kind of

1350
01:49:46,650 --> 01:49:48,730
stuff are you guys into? You

1351
01:49:48,730 --> 01:49:50,070
know, there's a there's a town

1352
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:53,630
down in Tennessee just south of

1353
01:49:53,630 --> 01:49:55,490
where those two black lawmakers

1354
01:49:55,490 --> 01:49:57,650
workers got thrown out and then voted back in.

1355
01:49:58,250 --> 01:49:59,210
That was something, huh?

1356
01:49:59,810 --> 01:50:03,470
They got proud boys showing up now to protect

1357
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:09,210
their city council people who are running from mayor.

1358
01:50:09,630 --> 01:50:10,210
Isn't that weird?

1359
01:50:11,150 --> 01:50:14,310
Yeah, I think Franklin or Franklin Coney, I can't remember.

1360
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:16,430
Tennessee, look it up.

1361
01:50:17,050 --> 01:50:18,330
Is that what we're gonna have here?

1362
01:50:18,670 --> 01:50:20,410
Your body's gonna come and protect you?

1363
01:50:20,970 --> 01:50:24,130
You got these guys here for no, but how long is that gonna go on?

1364
01:50:24,130 --> 01:50:26,250
Why do they need to protect you?

1365
01:50:27,270 --> 01:50:29,930
Why were the proud boys needing to protect you?

1366
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:31,730
Don't let the governors mention.

1367
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:35,650
And who was protecting you out in Washington?

1368
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:37,890
And who's going to protect us from you?

1369
01:50:38,490 --> 01:50:40,990
That's what I'm wondering, right?

1370
01:50:42,110 --> 01:50:44,870
All this right-wing ultra-mega, whatever.

1371
01:50:45,550 --> 01:50:47,470
You've gone off the tracks, man.

1372
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:52,970
You need to apologize and denounce this kind of stuff.

1373
01:50:53,610 --> 01:51:00,490
Take a step back. Are you going to be a man? Mr. Walsh isn't. You don't get to deny it. It's on tape.

1374
01:51:01,610 --> 01:51:09,250
He's got at least one or two degrees of separation. You don't. You sat here. She tried to stop you and you shut her down.

1375
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:10,550
Thank you, Brad.

1376
01:51:10,810 --> 01:51:11,170
Roode.

1377
01:51:11,950 --> 01:51:12,390
Roode.

1378
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:14,830
On the original residents that would like to come up tonight.

1379
01:51:16,570 --> 01:51:17,750
One more, I'm back there.

1380
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:19,310
Again, thank

1381
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:27,660
you.

1382
01:51:27,780 --> 01:51:30,880
Richie Anderson, I live at 302-05, Crystal Bay Road.

1383
01:51:31,180 --> 01:51:34,780
I own a couple of marinas in Orno,

1384
01:51:35,180 --> 01:51:37,980
I'm on five with the six marinas in Orno.

1385
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,660
And I've lived here 70 years.

1386
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:46,580
I started in 1976 and in our first marina.

1387
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,980
So, interesting that we're talking about the fire department.

1388
01:51:51,980 --> 01:52:07,720
The predecessors, Mayor Peterson and Mayor Jebore got the first fire stations going and I think they signed a 25 year note with long leg if I'm Matt could correct me.

1389
01:52:08,540 --> 01:52:09,440
Well, let's come do.

1390
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:16,120
And I'm so glad that you pulled 9 and 10 off the agenda consent.

1391
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:21,160
This is a monumental night. This is the start of their OFD.

1392
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:27,220
And I want to thank the folks that have signed up.

1393
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:33,780
I personally talked to one of the six that are going to be full time.

1394
01:52:35,540 --> 01:52:39,180
He was losing sleep over his decision to leave his previous

1395
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:49,940
of fire department because of the pressure that he was facing from John Cue Public and

1396
01:52:51,260 --> 01:52:55,700
his compadres, but he made the decision to come over to here.

1397
01:52:56,420 --> 01:53:00,060
And how about a 34-year-old veteran coming over to the OFD?

1398
01:53:00,780 --> 01:53:01,360
That's pretty cool.

1399
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:06,080
I want to personally thank the three-part time as one of which is here,

1400
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:14,400
Shea, Nate, Kayla, I want to really reach out and tell them how proud I am of Jeff

1401
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:23,960
Kroll, Ryan Canive, JB, Justin Hinker, Mike John's Rude, Ben Carlson, and Tom Aldrich

1402
01:53:24,350 --> 01:53:30,580
and Mr. Veech, because it is not an easy decision to do this.

1403
01:53:30,580 --> 01:53:36,960
And the horse that Clyde Stales have left the barn, we are moving forward through the

1404
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:46,380
tutelage of the chiefs, and Adam, to get this thing done.

1405
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:51,400
So these guys, in my opinion, are heroes for starting this thing.

1406
01:53:52,180 --> 01:53:58,760
And we talked about the Relief Association Fund, and I know it's not started yet, but North

1407
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:07,600
sure Marina will commit to the next five years for $50,000. First $10,000 check is right

1408
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:16,200
here to start the relief fund. Wow. And by me leading on guys that got, if I had their

1409
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:21,820
money, I'd burn mine. They'll step up to the plate and they'll help fund this thing.

1410
01:54:22,500 --> 01:54:28,200
This is monumental. This is not a scorch-shurse thing. This started way back in the day when

1411
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:32,160
and the two fire stations got set up.

1412
01:54:33,140 --> 01:54:35,300
Anyway, I'd like to come down and shake your hand.

1413
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:35,780
Yeah.

1414
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:37,520
If you accept this,

1415
01:54:38,940 --> 01:54:39,140
Dave,

1416
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:40,760
that's awesome.

1417
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:41,980
Thank you, Richie.

1418
01:54:42,180 --> 01:54:43,300
Yeah, I'm doing business here.

1419
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:44,900
Yeah, I'm Danny.

1420
01:54:53,930 --> 01:54:55,150
Let's do a

1421
01:55:02,570 --> 01:55:03,210
picture right now.

1422
01:55:11,790 --> 01:55:12,390
If you come back up,

1423
01:55:12,410 --> 01:55:13,930
I was going to picture just right under the, uh,

1424
01:55:14,510 --> 01:55:16,330
Arnold Crestier.

1425
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,220
All right, get it off the TV.

1426
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:42,000
Thanks, Richie.

1427
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:43,580
You're studying.

1428
01:55:43,580 --> 01:55:44,200
I

1429
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:54,300
was seeing nobody else.

1430
01:55:56,150 --> 01:55:59,750
Talk tonight, I will move it to the Mayor Council report.

1431
01:56:01,610 --> 01:56:02,590
Councilmember Beach.

1432
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:06,140
I'm speechless.

1433
01:56:06,660 --> 01:56:08,840
I talked

1434
01:56:14,530 --> 01:56:19,930
to James and Adam last week and said, you have a lot.

1435
01:56:20,410 --> 01:56:27,730
The expectations are high and everything that I ask for from any current contract, I would

1436
01:56:27,730 --> 01:56:31,370
absolutely ask for from our moving forward.

1437
01:56:32,430 --> 01:56:38,130
And every conversation I have makes me pretty excited about what's going on.

1438
01:56:40,890 --> 01:56:41,330
Mr. Benson.

1439
01:56:42,190 --> 01:56:46,090
Yes, I was disappointed to learn that the City of Orno and the City of Long Lake were unable

1440
01:56:46,090 --> 01:56:50,970
to use the time in court-ordered mediation to come to a mutually agreeable solution with

1441
01:56:50,970 --> 01:56:51,410
the contract.

1442
01:56:52,410 --> 01:56:57,010
And one thing that I would like to hear more of in the future conversations around the

1443
01:56:57,010 --> 01:57:02,910
fair department is what's known as insurance service office or ISO rating for our citizens

1444
01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:09,650
in Orno. This is how fire departments are assessed for risk, and the risk in a new department

1445
01:57:09,650 --> 01:57:14,630
that is untested. You led by a chief that while he has experience, he has never stood up a

1446
01:57:14,630 --> 01:57:20,350
department before. The risk is significant. And this is a risk that has not been adequately

1447
01:57:20,350 --> 01:57:26,630
explained to our residents, especially those in the service area of number two down by Navar.

1448
01:57:27,050 --> 01:57:32,610
Insurance companies do not favor risk, and our ISO rating at this point is undetermined.

1449
01:57:32,910 --> 01:57:34,450
So that's all I'd like to share.

1450
01:57:36,250 --> 01:57:37,430
Council member Frazby.

1451
01:57:38,830 --> 01:57:41,270
Richie Anderson, you've blown me away a man.

1452
01:57:41,950 --> 01:57:44,210
That was just totally awesome.

1453
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:49,090
I was just going to say,

1454
01:57:49,410 --> 01:57:53,210
your love and commitment to Orano

1455
01:57:53,210 --> 01:57:55,430
is just beautiful.

1456
01:57:56,490 --> 01:57:58,650
So God bless you and your family.

1457
01:57:59,550 --> 01:58:01,850
Your generosity has been outstanding.

1458
01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:04,650
So I really appreciate it.

1459
01:58:04,810 --> 01:58:10,850
It definitely almost brings a tear to my eye.

1460
01:58:11,170 --> 01:58:13,730
It's, you know, it's so nice to see that kind of commitment.

1461
01:58:14,370 --> 01:58:18,470
And, you know, like, it's the one thing, you know,

1462
01:58:18,610 --> 01:58:21,310
and James knows because he was a volunteer firefighter

1463
01:58:21,310 --> 01:58:22,350
before he came to chief.

1464
01:58:22,630 --> 01:58:25,650
But when you volunteer and you give to your community,

1465
01:58:26,050 --> 01:58:27,430
you get so much back.

1466
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:28,890
It's tenfold.

1467
01:58:30,730 --> 01:58:44,170
The amount of excitement that comes into firefighting and learning medicals and things of that nature and helping your fellow citizens in the middle of the night come through some of the worst times that our life, it's awesome.

1468
01:58:44,590 --> 01:58:52,230
And the training that you get that you wind up using, you never know where could be a gym or something, right, Chase?

1469
01:58:53,770 --> 01:59:05,150
It's valuable and it's great, so I'm sorry Miss last week, like I said, that meeting could not be avoided being missed.

1470
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:17,210
Our community lost a very nice young man who I knew personally and my daughter and her husband are very close friends with him and it was a tragic loss.

1471
01:59:18,210 --> 01:59:21,210
But I felt like that was the decision I needed to make.

1472
01:59:24,090 --> 01:59:28,950
But other than that, you know, it's, I'm excited.

1473
01:59:29,450 --> 01:59:31,230
I'm excited for one out of fire.

1474
01:59:31,810 --> 01:59:33,370
I think it's going to be outstanding.

1475
01:59:34,410 --> 01:59:37,730
We've got the ducks on the truck, and it looks good.

1476
01:59:38,630 --> 01:59:45,130
So you know, it's going to be terrific, and we've got a great leader, we've got great personnel

1477
01:59:45,130 --> 01:59:50,990
joining the department already, so it's going to be an exciting time it really is

1478
01:59:50,990 --> 01:59:58,890
but that will not close the door ever on us working with the city of

1479
01:59:58,890 --> 01:59:59,910
Long Lake down the road.

1480
02:00:00,340 --> 02:00:08,940
Because as everybody knows, in the fire service, it's about working together, community, and helping each other out. And that's most important.

1481
02:00:12,500 --> 02:00:30,080
Thank you. A couple things just want to address some of the resident feedback here. And I think there is a misconception that if we have a different opinion than you, that means we're not listening.

1482
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:37,800
And I think what we saw tonight was a resident that's in support of the fire department and

1483
02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:44,800
what we're doing, come out of the woodwork and say, hey, I want to make it clear that I support what's going on here.

1484
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:53,840
And as much as I appreciate, the regular attenders of our meetings and

1485
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:58,300
it's been valuable getting your feedback and information.

1486
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:06,680
I don't always agree with you, and what you don't have visibility to is that I talk to many, many, many residents.

1487
02:01:07,660 --> 02:01:18,020
And so in my decisions and in my votes, I'm representing the population of Orno, not just the people that come in the meetings every week.

1488
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:26,580
You don't have visibility to who I talk to, what information I have, what other residents are wanting us to do.

1489
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:31,120
And so I take my vote seriously, I understand what my job is.

1490
02:01:31,460 --> 02:01:35,060
I 100% believe in what we're doing with Orno Fire.

1491
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,980
This is not the easiest thing to do.

1492
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:42,020
It's not the most popular thing to do, but it's the right thing to do.

1493
02:01:42,660 --> 02:01:48,720
And this puts Orno in the position to protect their citizens to the level of service and

1494
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:52,680
expectations that our residents require of us.

1495
02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:54,460
And this puts us in that position.

1496
02:01:54,780 --> 02:01:55,300
It's difficult.

1497
02:01:55,300 --> 02:01:58,880
It's expensive, but it's the right thing for the future.

1498
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:03,940
So I don't want there to be confusion between if I disagree with you, which means I'm not

1499
02:02:03,940 --> 02:02:08,300
listening because that isn't a fair relationship that you're trying to make.

1500
02:02:08,980 --> 02:02:14,940
The other thing is really important that you don't represent rumors as facts.

1501
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:16,660
And I'll address two of those.

1502
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:21,360
I participated at the mediation.

1503
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:29,780
And anyone that says that we didn't go there in an honest effort to find a solution wasn't there.

1504
02:02:30,220 --> 02:02:35,900
Because if you were, you'll want to walk away saying, boy, Orno didn't do their part.

1505
02:02:36,260 --> 02:02:37,760
I was there, we did our part.

1506
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:41,220
So don't say it if you don't know it as a fact.

1507
02:02:41,820 --> 02:02:47,080
And the other thing about sound data, another big annoyance, and glad it was brought up.

1508
02:02:47,900 --> 02:02:50,480
We spent a lot of time understanding data.

1509
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:53,760
If people want to understand more, ask more questions.

1510
02:02:54,400 --> 02:03:00,300
Our data was honest about evaluating response times.

1511
02:03:01,700 --> 02:03:09,380
So, people might use different ways to evaluate it, but ours was honest based on a nationally recognized methodology.

1512
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:18,680
So, it's very important if you want to be a, us to be good listeners, you'll be a good listener too.

1513
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:24,460
And listen and don't state things that you don't know for sure is fact.

1514
02:03:24,900 --> 02:03:27,180
And I think we can make a lot more progress that way.

1515
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:32,420
Lastly, you know, I just, you know, thank you, Richie and I, you know,

1516
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:36,700
something that he said in his comments is that, you know,

1517
02:03:36,700 --> 02:03:52,020
So what these firefighters are is about sacrifice and this extra complication of not having some elected officials and some public against these firefighters that are making the decision to move over to Orno is real.

1518
02:03:53,220 --> 02:04:02,720
And so we're placing an extra burden on them, but this decision has been made, and I really respect the firefighters that are new to us.

1519
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:13,520
And the firefighters that are having the courage to not only protect our community, but also come aboard even though it's not the easiest thing to do, but they know it's the right thing to do too.

1520
02:04:14,220 --> 02:04:15,600
So, thank you, Richie.

1521
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:19,480
Thanks for bringing that point up, and thanks for the new firefighters.

1522
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:20,360
Thanks.

1523
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:21,080
I

1524
02:04:23,900 --> 02:04:37,180
echo everything you said, so I'm not going to relaborate again, but what I will say is the people who come up here and say that you don't listen to the vocal opposition, this is what the vocal support looks like.

1525
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:43,240
This is what the vocal support sounds like, and there's everywhere that I talk to as well.

1526
02:04:45,610 --> 02:04:48,430
Since the last meeting, a whole bunch of stuff is going on.

1527
02:04:49,010 --> 02:04:52,090
Besides a sad game with the Vikings that I attended.

1528
02:04:53,090 --> 02:04:55,850
typical, typical, one and four.

1529
02:04:56,590 --> 02:04:58,890
Yeah, there you go.

1530
02:04:59,130 --> 02:05:01,410
So I guess that's a rebuilding year.

1531
02:05:02,070 --> 02:05:03,870
Another rebuilding year I guess.

1532
02:05:04,710 --> 02:05:07,850
Last week we had the homecoming game versus Providence.

1533
02:05:08,310 --> 02:05:09,890
Oerno is a six and all.

1534
02:05:10,130 --> 02:05:10,870
They are killing it.

1535
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:12,150
They are doing great.

1536
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:16,190
We, I was 34 and a half time or something.

1537
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:18,110
So we watched the festivities a half time

1538
02:05:18,110 --> 02:05:18,990
and then it was freezing.

1539
02:05:19,290 --> 02:05:21,490
So we laughed and came back and picked up

1540
02:05:21,490 --> 02:05:28,570
the girls later, but they are doing great. The last home game is this Friday. So if you want to go to the last home game, it's this Friday.

1541
02:05:29,350 --> 02:05:32,650
It's the definition of a fair weather to fan.

1542
02:05:36,070 --> 02:05:42,250
And it is senior night. So they'll have some fun stuff for seniors. I've got a senior. So she's definitely looking forward to it.

1543
02:05:42,350 --> 02:05:47,970
And all the seniors at the homecoming game had all this great paraphernalia on.

1544
02:05:47,970 --> 02:05:53,030
is they had so much fun with the homecoming dance the next night so we're bringing girls

1545
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:58,090
all over town to different places to eat and then to dance and then to after parties

1546
02:05:58,090 --> 02:06:01,950
then to sleep over so it was it was a blast so it's fun to see.

1547
02:06:02,390 --> 02:06:08,070
We also had the first ever homecoming parade with the Ornall Fire Department.

1548
02:06:08,530 --> 02:06:15,190
She found out I all drove me and councilmember Vichin, councilmember Crosby here and we

1549
02:06:15,190 --> 02:06:17,790
We honked the horn at gazillion times, people were waving.

1550
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:19,770
We had an absolute blast.

1551
02:06:19,990 --> 02:06:20,410
That was fun.

1552
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:21,450
That was the inaugural.

1553
02:06:21,870 --> 02:06:22,430
So we were there.

1554
02:06:22,650 --> 02:06:23,750
And you had a blast.

1555
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:24,210
And you had a blast.

1556
02:06:24,210 --> 02:06:25,050
Yeah, you had a blast.

1557
02:06:25,310 --> 02:06:25,370
Right.

1558
02:06:25,690 --> 02:06:25,950
The rail.

1559
02:06:26,210 --> 02:06:28,150
He was absolutely thrilled.

1560
02:06:29,010 --> 02:06:35,550
I was also invited to, by rabbi's Zimmerman, to come out to Camp Tico in Orno.

1561
02:06:35,950 --> 02:06:43,350
There's a very large camp on the Orno chain here and they had a $13 million campaign that

1562
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:49,370
that they put together over the course of time to re-do the entire camp for more kids for

1563
02:06:49,370 --> 02:06:56,150
the next 50 years because they've owned it for 60 years to get it all placed camp and

1564
02:06:56,150 --> 02:06:56,930
it's just amazing.

1565
02:06:57,170 --> 02:07:01,410
They've been through the council, so we helped them get all that through, and so that was

1566
02:07:01,410 --> 02:07:01,950
a great event.

1567
02:07:02,210 --> 02:07:06,470
I think I posted them on the Facebook side, I think it was in the lake or pioneer, and it

1568
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:12,290
was an absolute great, it's owned by a temple Israel, it's called Camp Tico, and my heart

1569
02:07:12,290 --> 02:07:19,590
was out to the people from Israel as well that's going on over the Middle East.

1570
02:07:20,170 --> 02:07:24,810
The coffee, my mayor for coffee, was typically the second Wednesday of the month.

1571
02:07:25,110 --> 02:07:28,090
It's going to be the third Wednesday of the month this month, because I'm not available

1572
02:07:28,090 --> 02:07:29,510
on this coming Wednesday.

1573
02:07:30,030 --> 02:07:34,750
I know I think it just went out on the list serve from right at him today, I think I saw it

1574
02:07:34,750 --> 02:07:38,450
go out to make sure everybody knows not to come Wednesday morning for donuts and coffee.

1575
02:07:38,910 --> 02:07:39,950
It'll be next Wednesday morning.

1576
02:07:41,370 --> 02:07:50,410
I think that's all I got right now, so we're, this meeting is going to be closed after

1577
02:07:50,410 --> 02:07:56,710
this as permitted by the Attorney Client Privilege Section 13DO5 subdivision 3B to discuss

1578
02:07:57,290 --> 02:08:02,030
litigation strategy regarding the following lawsuits, one, the City of Long Lake versus

1579
02:08:02,030 --> 02:08:05,850
the City of Orno and two, Jane Aguard versus the City of Orno, Sorn Manic.

1580
02:08:05,850 --> 02:08:10,670
So with that motion to close the meeting, so moved.

1581
02:08:11,110 --> 02:08:12,130
On favor say aye.

1582
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:12,510
Aye.

1583
02:08:13,950 --> 02:08:14,990
We'll take a five minute.