and I'd love to get a picture of you
guys because I've got like the best view
so I can figure out how to get my camera
to work don't worry about it
please
like Jonah
don't know
if you could all join me in a moment of
silence
thank you
I like to call this meeting order this
is Monday August 21st of uh 2023 at 6
30. we have four of the five council
members of President we are missing uh
councilwoman Tucker tonight
our first order of business is we have a
recognition of our comfort canine
exander and officer Ashley Pierce
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would you be able to share just a few
words about the the contest that that
these guys won sure after Mass services
holds a canine Grant every year this
year we had over 700 entries Nationwide
and her entry with Xander got first our
second place in the tier so um they were
rewarded a thousand dollars for the
canine program
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uh so we are so grateful for this
additional funding and so grateful for
officer Pierce and Xander and all that
they do for our community did everybody
get a chance to pet Xander hopefully out
there good
night
area
thank you
all right
okay
that was very nice that was up always
great to do one of those things all
right next up I have approval of the
minutes for May 24 23 special session
and June 5th regular session Mr chair
I'll make a motion to approve the May
24th and June 5th meetings second all
right I have a motion in a second any
discussion
all right I'll call the boat all those
in favor say aye aye
opposed name okay
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what's with people outside are watching
the talk to the people I want to make
sure they hear us I like them when I can
hear you gotta talk right into them okay
on the public comment I do have some uh
Quest public comment
I see two of them are for
the two ordinances did you all want to
speak when we do the ordinances you want
to speak now
we can go ahead and do it now
so first up will be uh Mr Shank
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hello everybody uh Stephen shank 112
Boardwalk Avenue Oviedo I'm just here
about the uh I know it's only first
reading uh or a setting scheduled first
reading but to get some ideas and stuff
thoughts in the head about golf carts
and the upcoming uh ordinance uh first
uh you know it's mentioned in there the
extensive research that's done but
there's absolutely nothing attached to
that packet that shows any research has
done whatsoever
to give you any idea of why what where
when how
and what went into putting this together
so you know if I can get that tomorrow
that'd be great but uh you know that
that's what I'd like to see first and
foremost is the research that was done
um why who's looking for this uh what
brought this forward what groups groups
Etc have brought this forward to make
this uh put motion
uh what areas are going to be most
affected as part of that research what
areas are going to be most affected uh
that you again that the research points
out that will be getting
the most traffic from golf carts uh
things like that
uh how did you determine that golf carts
May safely be operational on city
streets there that stated in there as
part of thing that it was determined
that they could be safely on city
streets what was that determination how
is that done
reports mechanisms Etc uh why was
Chapman and them all specifically left
out those seem two interesting thoughts
especially Chapman to me since the back
end is almost rural it's an interesting
thought that that was designated to not
have any golf cart traffic on it
as far as cost there's it says costs who
knows you know some estimate of the cost
that's going to be involved in not only
registration that should theoretically
take care of itself never does but
should theoretically take care of the
cost of administration
but of taking care of the officers and
everybody enforcing those uh things we
already have golf carts that are in
multiple neighborhoods and are I'm going
to say the word problematic but they're
problematic they ride on the sidewalk
they're out on the street they have kids
riding etc etc how will that solve this
problem because that's illegal currently
so how does this help change that which
is already happening
um
and have you gone around to any
neighbors the neighborhoods that will be
affected uh and said you know this is
what we're thinking this is what we're
looking at what do you propose I live on
Oviedo in a park I figure that's one of
the areas that's it's already has golf
carts come through
some of them street legal which is
currently legal if you have a Street
Legal golf cart
you can drive that currently
so you're adding in what looks like
almost Street Legal golf carts if you
look at the definition of what you need
to have it and then a license from the
city
um if you want to designate certain
areas that are allowed and those areas
want it I'm all for it but that would be
the step to me not
broaden compassing and then trying to
come back and say well these areas don't
like it thank you for your time thank
you sir
okay next up I have a Donald Terry
hi uh thank you for allowing me to speak
Donald Terry 1911 silverweed way
I live across the street from the mall
and the townhouses I was here previously
at the zoning board talking about the
units that are being developed in front
of the mall and that strip on the
boulevard I would like to address this
557 unit multi-family residents
developed next door to the dwell
so we got the dwell which is 300 units
let's say so that's 600 cars so now you
want to add a
557 unit I mean that's a big amount of
people so that's 1100 cards
and the only way in and out is Sugar
Mill or is there going to be another way
in or out that little that other little
street that goes to West Broadway I mean
Maggie new had told me that that would
be one of the exits for the dwell
but I don't see another way out for this
557 unit
monstrosity that you're putting up in
another Woods I mean
I understand this is Florida you need to
develop there's rules about development
but does it have to be so massive
I mean I understand it has to be so big
it covers the expenses for the developer
covers a lot of things for the developer
it'll be very profitable with that many
units but I mean
it reaches a point here in Oviedo where
there's not going to be any woods
anywhere it's just going to be
wall-to-wall Apartments retail Banks
dentist office
the traffic
so you put up a light where there's
Sugar Mill
off of a Rita of of you know Mall
Boulevard but if you're driving east
from the mall over 417 and you want to
turn in a Sugar Mill there's no turning
lane
what are you going to do with 1100
people who want to get into
those the dwell and the other new unit
it says here there's no uh expense for
improvements to the developer
uh can't they pay for something
um so I I'm very much against this
of course I don't have very much support
I have one other guy here who who agrees
with me
um and I presume then there's another
public meeting after this September one
or something like that do I need to
bring more people to get a voice
um I don't know it's you read in on
Facebook all the time oh there's too
much development too much development
Oviedo but
no one shows up no one cares I don't
know
it's when I moved here 12 years ago was
a little teeny town no traffic now you
could barely make a turn you can't pull
a lot of Culver's those little retail
shops in West Broadway that have the
drill behind it you can't pull a lot of
those it's very hard to pull into those
so I don't know
it reaches a point where it's absurd I
think and 550 units just sounds like a
monstrosity that's all I have to say
thank you great thank you
I have two for the resolution do you all
want to speak at the resolution
okay next up is the consent agenda what
is the pleasure of council I move we
approve the consent agenda but take
number nine separately please
so uh approved consent agenda items
number four through eight please
which one which one you want to remove
uh item nine nine
second
all right I have a motion in a second
any discussion
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okay
so the motion is to approve agenda
except removing number nine
number nine would go into
discussion item
that would be number uh
attendee or 9A no Stephanie mayor just
make it 9A and we'll consider it
separately okay
okay so we had the motion and a second
all those in favor say aye aye
okay now let's do 9A
and not for no need on my end to do a
big formal presentation I read the
packet so I've just hoping we can
consider it separately oh thank you
okay so we get resolution number
4366-23 FY 2022 23 Florida recreational
development assistance program Grant
application for Riverside Park
Mr Cobb how shall we proceed uh thank
you Deputy Mayor this is request for
Council to approve the submittal of a
Grant application for the Ferd app the
Florida Recreation development uh
I'm not sure on the AP but it's it's a
recreation Grant to the State of Florida
and to authorize a work order with rmpk
funding who is our grant writer for uh
four thousand dollars for the
preparation in the submittal of the
Grant application the Grant application
is for Riverside Park and still new
improvements to the uh multi-purpose
field down below where The Pavilions are
also to bring in picnic areas as well as
create an official dog park which we
know from past history that a lot of
folks use that area as a unofficial doc
Park and so the staff is looking at the
idea of actually creating a smaller
version of the BART card which is up at
Shane Kelly Park uh and then also to do
some resurfacing of the uh of the
parking lot uh Mr Mr Belden is here uh
to answer any questions the city's
policy requires Council approval for us
to be able to submit the application so
that's why we have this on the agenda
tonight we're seeking your approval to
submit the application it is a four
hundred thousand dollar Grant uh the
first grant program requires the city
fund to fund the full 400 000 up front
and then after the Project's done we
would seek reimbursement for two hundred
thousand dollars it's sort of a
one-to-one funding ratio
um Mr Bill is there any other items that
we need have I covered everything
okay so uh it's recommended that city
council adopt resolution number 4366-23
okay
well it's a pleasure of council
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Mr chairman I'll move to approve
resolution number 4366-2-3
oh second it
all right Motion in a second any
discussion oh Brian did you say is this
a one-to-one match it is it's uh so the
state Grant is for 200 000 the city's
match would be 200 000 okay yes all
right
I think that's all I had to be cleared
up I've
is the four thousand dollars for the
preparation is that a standard fee for
for a new Grant uh yes for our for our
grant writer to produce that he what he
will do is if you prepare the grant
itself submit it but then he'll also dog
it through the process of addressing any
type of questions that the state may
have and then he also assists us on the
back end once if we are if we get funded
then he also assists us with the reports
medals uh our annual report submittals
after we get the grant okay
that sounds like money well spent is are
we going to need to uh notify our
lobbyists
for any help with this we usually do uh
anytime that we submit a grant we also
let Mr commodity know so that there's
anything that he can assist with okay
thank you okay
Mr Belden I've got a question for you uh
so I mean we're we're taking 200 000
basically out of out of our our city
funds to to take to
work on these projects this was an area
that was completely underwater when the
the hurricane came through well these
improvements if something like that were
to happen again with these improvements
be
destroyed
with the improvements to the
multi-purpose field we're not looking to
put Bermuda in there we're trying to
make it a re-leveled surface regrading
new Turf just providing that safe and
more usage of a field for like the
soccer groups our flight football
program lacrosse teams and possibly you
know bring that up a little bit but make
it more level we'll provide that space
since Shane Kelly and osc are a
primarily a shutdown facility for our
contractual youth organizations so then
the dog park we're trying to put
elements within it that aren't going to
be washed away or destroyed through
future flooding you know knock on wood
we're not going to get the storm again
so we're being very cautious with what
we're you're not going to raise the
elevation of the surface okay I thought
I heard that and then with the park
amenities the park amenities within the
or around The Pavilions and around the
facilities they're deteriorated we've
requested it through our CIP program
they're rusted out we feel that this
gives us an opportunity to refurbish
those amenities picnic tables trash
receptacles and park benches with a
multi-purpose field but also Around The
Pavilions surrounding that Park okay so
so for the most part I mean the These
funds are going to something that even
if it was underwater it when the water
water receded that it would still be I
feel that this is uh improving our Parks
infrastructure perfect in addition to
improving the facility okay okay all
right thank you thank you okay if you
asked pre-asked a lot of a lot of my
questions uh so that's one of my
concerns and the other is I like that
that field is just a free-for-all and
that it's not formal and that people can
go and their dogs can use it or anybody
can use it so I'm a little bit hesitant
to create something that may be rentable
because there's very little space that's
just free play space and and I I like
the idea of keeping that free play space
and if we have to redo our our all the
stuff that's under The Pavilions anyway
this does seem like a sensible thing so
a question though if we do get the 200
thousand dollars and it comes back and
it turns out that getting the parking
lots fixed and the other things besides
formalizing the field and maybe
formalizing a dog area if it comes in
lower are we are we allowed to do the
less than because half off coupon we
still have to pay the half so I'm
hesitant to pay more than what what the
community collectively traditionally if
we do not expend what we sought after
then we would just get a less
reimbursement back from the state okay
okay perfect
all right thank you all right
with a motion on a second all those in
favor say aye aye
okay so that passes
okay we have no public hearings
we have the first reading of the
ordinances first one up is
1736
this Cobb we provide a brief
introduction we need the attorney first
resolution audio ordinance all right
Mr Deputy Mayor if we could I
resolution 43 58 23 I mentioned it prior
to the meeting that we may need to move
that up to public hearings the item does
require a public hearing so I was
wondering if we could move that item and
do that now under public hearings rather
than waiting until resolutions to do
that item there was a all right and we
don't need to schedule that
yeah go ahead and do it now the public
hearing has already been advertised and
noticed all the notice requirements have
been fulfilled it it was just something
that happened when when it was being
input into the system uh there is a
there is a check box for public hearing
I have a feeling what happened was
public comment got got checked under
resolutions you get two choices public
hearing or public comment I think you
get the public comment got checked and
so it went down into the resolution
section of the agenda but if we could do
that now as a public hearing and I would
need you to actually open and close the
public hearing as part of this
okay so we will open a public hearing
here for resolution number 43 58-22
street light assessment rate
which is item number 14. so if anybody
in the audience is looking at an agenda
sheet item 14 just moved to sort of like
it's in between 10 and 11. so it's 10A
Mrs Ross can you read my title only
a resolution of the city of Oviedo
Florida relating to the delivery and
funding of Street lighting services
within the city amending ratifying and
confirming the final rate resolution for
fiscal year
2023-2024 determining that that certain
real property is specially benefited by
Street lighting Services approving the
assessment role providing the method of
collection and providing for
implementing administrative actions
scrivener's errors conflict separability
and effective date
this cop can give us a brief
introduction yes thank you Deputy Mayor
I ever since we instituted the street
Life program one of the requirements of
the state statute is that every year we
need to recertify the tax roll and the
reason we need to do that is because
every year we have new people moving
into the City and so it is what the
statute says is that you have to provide
notice to anyone who is receiving this
for the first time so any new residents
have to be have to receive a notice and
so what what we have to do is part of
that process is that we have to
recertify the tax roll that's what this
resolution does it re-certifies the tax
roll for the coming year and then it
also maintains the uh
the fee at the 78 dollars and uh
13 cents yeah 78 and 13 cents it
re-adops the the fee as well so there's
no change in the fee this year and uh
but that's what this pretty much is is a
recertification of the tax roll for the
impact for the street light district and
so it's recommended that you conduct a
public hearing and adopt resolution
number 4358-23
okay
yes sir I'll make a motion to uh adopt
resolution
4358-23 oh we've got to do public
hearing questions yeah
okay so no it's okay
I have no written requests obviously for
this is there anybody in the audience
that wish to speak on the subject
and by not trying to do a fake head Bob
okay I will close the public record or
public comment
what is the pleasure at councils
Mr chair I'll make a motion to approve
adopt resolution number 4358-23
second all right I have a motion in a
any discussion
yeah I just Brian as far as the street
light uh
count we set that up to pay the electric
bill and then to do improvements are we
are we on schedule for all the
improvements that we've planned I
believe we are I mean the fee pays for
what the fee does it pays for the
maintenance Leasing and the electricity
for all of our street lights and it also
has some money set aside for Capital
and the city has been very aggressive
over the past few years in getting
retrofitted into the different
neighborhoods uh the most recent one was
where we were operating in Alafaya woods
and Twin Rivers was the big retrofit
there and we also did the we couldn't
install the lighting up on the North
side of Lockwood Boulevard
as far as I know as we mentioned in our
staff report
we still need to do Lockwood South
and that's that's another retrofit on
the Lockwood South and then looking at
doing some
conversions in the Oviedo on the Park
area to go to uh to get every all of the
lights to the
um LED because some of the lights in the
video on the park aren't LEDs we need to
get them get them all to LEDs so those
are two of the projects that we need to
do we're still going to be looking at
areas where we don't have lighting so
that we can fill in and but we're doing
it as the um as we have you know Capital
funds available for us to do it uh
thankfully uh
FPL was great right out of the box they
did the East Side they retrofitted the
east side of town everything went to LED
um and Duke took a little bit longer but
now Duke actually has a program similar
to
um
uh Florida FPL they have a similar
program now and so even though the Duke
retrofits crossed a little bit more they
don't cost as much as with initially was
quoted to us so it's easier for us to do
retrofits in the Duke neighborhoods now
as well so yeah I think we are I think
we're right on schedule in getting
getting the different uh upgrades as
well as doing new new capital items okay
are we
solvent as far as you know I look at my
electric bill every month and it's way
higher than it was last year do we have
enough funds to pay the electric bill oh
yes I mean that that is for that is
first the you know like I said
maintenance Leasing and electricity
those are the very first that's the top
priorities with this fund it's
whatever's left over is how much we have
for capital okay thanks
okay
I'm good you would but I do have I want
to make sure everybody in the room knows
what's going on because we've got a lot
of young people who it's probably their
their first time hearing about this so
what we're talking about is who pays for
the street lights are y'all following
this
so there is a line on the tax bill
for paying 78 dollars or something like
that we pay for electricity we actually
rent a lot of the the power poles uh and
then you know we can put new ones in
different ways and sometimes we own them
so the new ones we're putting in we're
trying to own so we don't have to pay
rent on power poles every single month
so that's what we're voting on today is
not the 78 dollar fee but whether we
agree that the tax roll is correct and
what the tax roll is is the list of each
property in Oviedo and who owns it
so we're saying we agree that this is
who owns each property and we're going
to send them a bill for the right amount
based on the formula that was approved
previously like five years ago or so
so it's kind of a complicated thing and
we could talk more later about it but I
just want to make sure you know we're
talking about lights
okay
well we're technically we're not allowed
to do questions in public comments but
after the meeting if you can stick
around or email one of us yep
okay so I have a motion in a second what
is the favor of council
oh I'm sorry oh those in favor say aye
aye aye opposed
okay
stumbling along here
thank you deputy mayor for accommodating
us on that we appreciate it
okay next up we have
ordinances
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and the ordinance we have up here we're
in 1736 Mr Ross we read the orange by
title only
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map of approximately 13.81 acres of land
generally located approximately 476 feet
south of Winter Springs Boulevard and
approximately 150 feet west of West
Broadway street from Office commercial
OC to residential R3 providing for
conflict separability codification as
well as the correction and scrivener's
errors and an effective date
thank you
this cobby gave us a brief introduction
yes thank you Deputy Mayor all right
this is a zoning map Amendment and so
we're City councils asked to change the
zoning of the property from Office
commercial to R3 residential uh the
applicant is proposing to construct
multi-family residential on the property
multi-family residential is not a
permissible use within the current
zoning classification and Madeline can
you pull up the maps for us and so we
can see this is basic the the location
if you only you'll need there we go this
is the location of the property it's
obviously it's located south of Winter
Springs Boulevard West of State Route
426 and north of ovina ball Boulevard
its primary access is the new Sugar Mill
Road that's being currently developed by
by the dwell I don't think we could go
on to the next one there we go thank you
all right the properties feature land
use designation is the newly created
West Gate
designation and the thing about it is
that when you have a zoning
classification zoning classification the
very first thing you ask is is it
consistent with the future land use
designation the OC zoning designation is
not and so uh one of the requests one of
the reasons that the applicant is
requesting the change to R3 is so the R3
is a zoning classification that is
consistent with the properties future
land use designation
manual because the next one all right
one of the other things that you look at
as well is uh is the zoning
classification compatible with
surrounding area well you can see to the
South you've got PUD you've also got
some OC and you've got commercial C2 are
surrounding uh this property and so one
of the things about the arts for the
examine district is that it can be used
as a buffer area for between residential
and Commercial areas so the the R3
zoning district is compatible Madeleine
if you'll go to the next next map you'll
see the R3 zoning District actually is
compatible with the surrounding area
with the surrounding zoning Districts
The third question you ask is is the
permissible use is compatible with the
surrounding zoning districts and if you
think about the the applicant is
proposing to construct multi-family on
the property there's multi-family to the
South already that's being constructed
in it's also compatible with the
commercial that is to the East and to
the north and so yes the staff in their
analysis did find that the the proposed
uses within the R3 zoning District are
compatible with the surrounding area
and so those those are the basic when
you're looking at a zoning map Amendment
those are the basic tenets that you look
at are whether or not to recommend
approval obviously the staff they their
findings are presented in the supporting
data inventory and Analysis uh they
recommend approval of ordinance not 1736
uh based on the findings in their report
the local planning agency conducted a
public hearing on Tuesday August 1st and
recommended approval recommended
adoption of the ordinance there was
concern expressed during their public
hearing about the connection to oviedo's
to Winter Springs Boulevard which we are
currently going through addressing with
our Mobility plan
tonight it's recommended that the city
council
schedule of public hearing for September
the 7th 2023.
great thank you
is the applicant present
would you like to say a few words
my name is David axle axle real estate
1757 West Broadway Street Oviedo and as
this is just first reading I won't make
any comments I am here to ask answer any
questions and if there's any public
comment to address that so I ask that
you proceed and schedule the public
hearing for the next meeting thank you
we did have one written request which we
already did is there anybody else that
did not send a written request at one to
speak on the subject
CNN
move on
what is the pleasure of council
Mr chair yes I'll make a motion to
schedule a public hearing for September
7th 2023.
second all right I have a motion and a
second any discussion
um Mr axel
the 557 dwelling units is that is that
what's being proposed
So today we're just doing zoning and as
part of that process you have to project
a certain amount and compare it to the
prior use
so we attempted to use maximum but it
came out slightly lower because as we
were working through the application we
got new Wetland surveys so I would
venture to say there's there's some
slight difference in the I think the
third set of numbers from the second set
of numbers what's likely to occur but
it's part of the site approval is less
than half this amount but today we're
just here about the zoning and we also
had to apply for school capacity so the
analysis had to be done on a number and
we tried to use the 50 units per acre
that the land use allows and there was a
little snafu in the math that's all
right does that answer the question yes
thank you
okay
any further discussion
well there there's a couple of things
that bug me about this and none of them
can we do anything about
we do not control
where students are zoned to go to school
that is exclusively the jurisdiction of
the school board
so it really bugs me that there's no
capacity for these students to go
without a bus to Lawton Elementary and
that they would probably have to be
buzzed pretty far but we can't say no on
account of that and we're not saying yes
or no at all today so just as a matter
of procedure for all the people in the
room you're hearing stuff about like hey
should we build allow somebody to build
550-something Apartments well why aren't
we voting on that what we're doing is
voting to have a second hearing to vote
about it at another later time
and we had one person come and speak out
against it so there will be one more
chance only one more chance for the
public to come and and express concern
and we've got some pretty high bars to
overcome because there's this thing it's
like the constitution of land use called
the comprehensive plan and the current
zoning has to be compatible with that so
the constitution of land use says it has
to be something other than what it is
so the landowner came and said hey we
want to make it something that matches
what's allowed so we're we're going to
have a quasi-judicial hearing where we
kind of act like a court next month so
come back for the stunning conclusion to
all of this because all we're voting on
today is whether to have a hearing a
second hearing on this next month so all
these vote like you're hearing all these
votes and we're voting on these really
obscure technical things so hopefully
you're kind of catching on to some of
that but I want to make sure
everybody knows that
very good so we have a motion in a
second all those in favor say aye aye
opposed all right so that was not a vote
to allow the apartments that was a vote
to have a second hearing
okay next up we have ordinance number
1737
Ross can you read that by title only
an ordinance of the city of Oviedo
Florida pertaining to the use of golf
carts upon designated roads within the
city of Oviedo subject to specified
restrictions and the provisions of state
law providing for legislative purposes
findings and intent providing for
definitions providing for the
designation and prohibition of roads and
the potential addition of Roads
providing for authorized means of
Youth and prohibited and unlawful means
of use providing for signage only as may
be required by state law providing for
enforcement penalties and collections
providing for implementing
administrative action
providing for a savings provision
providing for conflicts providing for
severability providing for codification
as well as the correction of scrivener's
errors in providing for an effective
date
thank you Mr kyleby give us a brief uh
introduction all right thank you Deputy
American yes the council has asked to
adopt what we call the golf cart
ordinance and what this will do this
ordinance establishes that golf carts
will be permissible forms of
Transportation on on city streets that
um
have a posted speed limit of less than
30 miles per hour or less
I it also establishes that the golf
carts can only be operated on the
roadways that are designated and but
they cannot be performed operated on
state or County roadways unless they are
crossing at a signalized intersection
there are some streets that we did say
yes they can't be used on they're mainly
our primary roadways uh I know it was
mentioned about Chapman Road Chapman
Road East which is a local Street and
has a speed limit of 25 it's eligible
it's Chapman Road West that goes from
434 to 426 which is four lanes and has a
speed limit of 40 that we said no don't
operate on that one so
um
I remember that was mentioned as well
and so we also have requirements that
you need to have a driver's license or a
learner's permit
and that the if you do have a learner's
permit then you have to have somebody
who is 21 or older and has a driver's
license sitting next to you while
operating the um
operating the golf cart golf carts also
if you to be operated on private
property they have to have the owner's
permission to be operated on the private
property and that they are not operate
authorized to be operating on the
sidewalks or the bicycle pass or the
trails our Trails have regulations that
you can't put a motorized vehicle on
them unless it's like the county doing
maintenance on it so tonight is the
first reading of the ordinance and it is
recommended that the city council
schedule public hearing for September
the 7th 2023.
okay
we had the one written request already
speak uh is there anyone who did not
turn a request that would like to speak
okay seeing none we will move on
what is the pleasure our Council Mr
chair yes I'll make a motion to schedule
a public hearing for ordinance number
1737 on September 7th 2023
second okay Motion in a second any
discussion
now we can save it for September 7th
I think we should not save it for
September 7th I had a lot of the same
concerns as Mr shank has already brought
up and I I don't fully understand how
what we are doing is any different from
the state level law other than the state
level law did mention that we have to
designate certain roads as safe like it
seems like we can designate additional
roads and safe Beyond
what the state law says and I'm
scrolling through because I asked a
couple of yes no questions related to
this item and I'm scrolling through just
to make sure that I understood some of
the the questions how they were answered
and so Madam mayor I was the one that
that brought this this subject up
initially and the the reason I brought
this up was because it's very difficult
to register a golf cart you have to get
a VIN number
um you you know basically what this
ordinance is doing is
putting all the same state level
standards correct me if I'm wrong Chief
but it's basically putting all the same
state level standards on the golf cart
with the exception of actually having to
get that VIN number and you know to to
get a license tag number so instead of
getting a tag for it you get a you you
get the the city you know permit for it
but it's basically the same thing
without having to spend all the money on
getting the VIN number and everything
we are taking on the city would be taken
on all of the safety checks all of the
everything else it seems like it we're
biting off an awful lot and the state
already
kind of volunteers to do that for us
yeah
um
uh councilmember you're pretty close on
that we followed the state statute on
what a low-speed vehicle would be we
added a few things one of them statute
was just changed to require a driver's
license uh for somebody over the age of
our learner's permit we incorporate that
early on because basically we want
somebody to have some Driving Experience
preferably a driver it also prevents
somebody who may have a DUI and not have
a driver's license they they cannot
drive one of these on the city streets
as well
uh uh we incorporated a few more
safety features I would call it uh like
if you have small children we require or
improved child carrier per child animals
should be securely fastened we'll leave
that up to the owner but if we do
require them to be
restrained securely it doesn't require
registration if you're going to drive it
at night you got to have lights
headlamps and things of that nature so
it is very similar to the low speed
vehicle but as you said it does not
require
somebody to have to take it to the DMV
to get it registered and inspect it
we're going to require them to do their
own Inspections just like you do your
own motor vehicle uh you know used to we
did inspections in Florida if you've
been here long enough but we don't do
that anymore you basically ascertain
your vehicle is roadworthy and if it's
not we stop you we could you can be
cited for it as well the same thing here
if you're either there'll be a check off
list that you you'll attest to that you
have this equipment and uh and we'll
we'll go in good faith that that's what
you have and if you're seeing driving
without it you could be cited well
um get prohibited on sidewalks same same
rules apply as the lbv or low speed
Vehicles no sidewalks has to be on the
streets it has to be under 30 miles an
hour
so
do we have a a number in mind for what
we would charge people to get this
thing that lets them not have to get
event that's not my uh area I don't know
I don't have a number no but uh I
figured that would be figured on after
everyone once the ordinance or at a
later time Chief I I see golf carts all
over my neighborhood how are you
enforcing the rules on those
uh we're not we're not going to be we're
not heavy-handed on them because
basically uh you're right most
neighborhoods they're in them I don't
know of a neighborhood that you're not
uh and people a lot of people just
assume they are legal and this makes it
legitimate otherwise right now it's
state statutes and it's actually
criminal in some cases where if you're
letting a 14 year old driver unlicensed
motorized vehicle on a roadway that is a
criminal offense and I don't think any
parent needs to have that you know
allegation to charge to them so we do a
lot of warning a lot of warning but like
most times parents don't always listen
to uh to the direction
this makes it an easier path to get that
done so they don't have the argument
that council member Pollock said where I
don't I don't have time I don't have the
effort to go get it registered at the
DMV I don't know you know get a VIN
number for it so this makes it a much
easier process it's coming through
getting getting the registration and
playing it on but applying it to the
golf cart
and the city gets fees for this as
opposed to if DMV the DMV soon
keep this one last thing in the uh in
the staff report talked about uh the
traffic surveys that were done um we're
here to one resident that was asking
about that is that coming from the
Planning Group in the traffic studies do
you know about the traffic studies
uh the
we don't have a defined traffic study we
looked at traffic studies there's
traffic places that have done the same
thing we've reached out to them in
several of the Cities Stanford's a good
example uh how well is their program
working what do they have problems with
and and several other jurisdictions I
think DeBerry was either looking at it
or now has it and looking at what would
what do they recommend and every one of
them said you know keep them in
basically the neighborhoods are off off
busy thrower Affairs even if you can and
you know nobody's had any major issues
like any other motorized vehicle if you
got the wrong person driving it bad
things can happen but they're generally
a little bit more cognizant of the
vehicles around them because one they're
open air you know and they're not
they're not they're able to hear
everything but they're also know that
they're the smaller it's kind of like
being a bicyclist on the road I think
you could relate to that you pay a lot
more attention to what's going around
you than you do if you're the the the
truck on the road like a Dodge truck or
something you know on the roads
uh and and so they not really had
anywhere we found of any major there's
always going to be the crash there's
always going to be somebody that did
something but as a general rule they
provided a pretty safe Avenue to
transport around town
I guess one last question on on the
and it's a great point about having
underage kids that drive drive the
vehicles I do see it you know in similar
neighborhoods that I go through I guess
my question would be obviously we'll do
whatever you can you know once we get
past a hearing if it does pass us to
communicate it but not everybody sees
the communications those individuals
that are pulled over the first time is
it a warning is it a citation right away
I mean how do you handle the underage
kids that are driving them the underages
have a a conversation with the parents
and say look this is the warning it's
going to get very expensive if you
continue this on we're trying to keep
your kids safe in the neighborhood safe
they're not allowed because most of the
time they're with their friends and
they're driving generally on the
sidewalk right you know what I would
consider recklessly but not maybe you're
a hazard to health but a hazard to
everybody else we're not going to be
tolerant of it I can tell you that we'll
try to get compliance first but if it
shows that we've we've been out with
them before they'll probably get cited
and um and see where it goes from there
okay
thank you and you have one more question
back in 2017 we adopted a golf cart
ordinance and my understanding is not a
single person registered so it sends it
automatically what
is different now that we think people
will register I mean unless we're really
going to push the registering people
will continue just to drive the golf
carts as they have since 2017. we will
probably start an education process
where if we see golf carts on the road
that aren't registered we'll stop them
and inform them they need to be
registered it would be a citable offense
again much a very expensive citation
because that's a state citation
um and to gain the compliance the other
thing is then it was only on the east
side of Lockwood so effectively if you
weren't
uh you didn't live in the golf course
half of Twin Rivers it was not useful to
you but you couldn't you couldn't go go
anywhere but there but if you're in Mead
Manor you can go all of mead Manor you
know your sub like Live Oak as an
example they could go up to Publix are
you saying with a new proposal correct
okay because my understanding is they
can go beyond that you can go as far as
your battery will take you or your I
guess you could get a gas powered golf
cart as far as there's a 30 mile an hour
correct exactly you're like you can't go
down Lockwood so anybody Twin Rivers
going could not drive down the window
but you can Crossroads correct you had a
signalized intersection
so that that's that's okay and the
reason is that's the safest way to cross
the street so there are boundaries so
you can go only within your neighborhood
and then once you hit 419 you're out of
luck correct you can't just go alongside
it unless and until we are able to build
a golf cart so there's a pathway to get
there legally okay we looked at every
subdivision and see how far they could
go
um legally even if they had to go way
around you know you know a big circle to
go down and make it legally some
neighborhoods they can go quite far some
neighborhoods they can't go that far at
all uh it just depends on the
on on what road to borders on okay so as
long as soon as you hit a 45 or 30 or
higher you're kind of capped out
so it's you know if there's a signalized
light they can cross over to another
Street that's under 30 they can keep
going so and the goal was kind of look
at Oviedo in the park and see how how
many people could get to there they had
a golf cart like for instance a meat
Manor is a good example they can get
there you can come down Division Street
to Oviedo Boulevard uh you know through
the roundabout crossover 419 at the
light and make it all the way to Oviedo
Boulevard I mean all the way to Oviedo
in the park without
legally if you're in Alafaya Woods you
can get to uh Oviedo on the park because
you can come down Alexandria to clearly
to uh to again crossover and you're in
Oviedo in the park and that's kind of
what the focus point was when we were
looking at it because that's where our
events are and things so they could make
it to there not every subdivision is
going to I mean the majority of
subdivisions can't make it there but as
many as we could make it there is how we
were looking at it
thank you okay
great thank you sir
all right we had a motion in a second to
schedule a public hearing on September
7th
all those in favor say aye aye
moving on to resolutions we are on
resolution
4364-23 there's a Cobb we provide a
brief introduction uh yes thank you
Deputy Mayor actually Dr Correa is going
to provide the staff presentation for
this item
good evening mayor Deputy Mayor City
Council Members this is a request for
the city council to approve an end stud
story development agreement in a master
land use plan for the Lockwood Village
shopping center
all the sea sections 2.5 is 7 and 11
state that the city council shall have
final
authority over development agreements in
muscle induce plan
um
if we can move to the next step thank
you so
um this the subject project property is
approximately 7.7 Acres along this side
of Lockwood next to the intersection
with Mitchell hammock
it is uh
part of the Twin Rivers PUD
so the future land use is beauty the
zoning is also PUD and the proposed used
users are in accordance with the C2
zoning District
the idea is to create so this is the
parcel the big part of the shopping
center where where you have the
Winn-Dixie supermarket and the idea is
to create two Lots now
so you have lot one which is the
remaining shopping center at around
seven acres
in log 2 is going to be carved out of
the Big Lot for a proposed restaurant
for the Longhorn Restaurant if you can
move to the next one
so this is the site
if we can click it should show the new
can you
yeah so this is the the Longhorn
Restaurant being proposed so it's
carving out from the big parcel
the access points remain the same
and it's just
um a reorganization of the site
internally if you can move forward
so this is the site this is the
um
we can move forward this is the site
plan so you have the longhorn now with
some parking around it so there was just
the rearrangement of the parking area
moving forward the development agreement
um the entitlements are not being
changed so they are within the Pud
parameters that were approved as I said
the permissible uses are going to be the
ones according to the C2 it's just a
single phase project and the development
agreement allows for modifications for
standards to be negotiated while we're
on this slide can you let us know the
year in which the original development
agreement was approved
I do know by 19 like 1990 something yeah
1987. okay thank you I think it's
rounding there
thank you Mr Kaaba I would not know I
know it's it's been a while but I would
not know exactly the date the
modifications so for the buffer it's we
are just so we're keeping the 20 feet
um buffer around but internally between
the two lots we are excluding the buffer
requirements because that doesn't would
not make sense the open space is not
being reduced so it's still 30 percent
overall in the Pud and actually in this
particular site they are increasing the
open space because they are turning
parking spaces into there is now some
landscape areas so they are increasing
the open space
um there are some deviations for
landscape islands and
these are just really minor deviations
from the code if you can move forward
um
the parking size space for the for the
the whole development is being kept the
same and the parking
counts has been reduced right because
now we are creating this restaurant in
the in the parking lot so what they are
providing now is 272 parking spaces and
there is a slide showing you know this
the the breakdown
the loading the parking space size is
still the same but the parking space
number is less yeah the size is the the
is the footprint the footprint so they
have a weird number which is I think
it's um
um
10 by 18. so our our regular 10 by 20
per code
in their development agreement they
already had a different in a difference
from our code and we are moving because
we are rewriting the code we are moving
to the compact which today what is
considered compact
which actually is the standard in other
jurisdictions which is nine it's nine by
18. so we are keeping the same you know
the the number for the for lot one lot
two is proposing I think a different one
but the packing space is the number of
spaces have been reduced and do they
still meet the space requirement the
parking requirements I will show the
next led the slide will have a a
breakdown of those
um the loading area it's being used for
the parking space so the loading is
going to be off hours we are also
removing the requirement because there
is no spillover from lighting and when
you have Parcels but because they are
internal and they have you know Common
parking spaces and parking lots we a lot
we are removing those and they have the
lot too which is longhorn requested an
allowance of 2.5 square feet of building
signage for each building Frontage
with a maximum of six signs
the lot one which is the remaining
shopping center is going to also have a
tree restoration to kind of restore a
little bit the side because with the
years some trees are are you know bad
and been replaced Etc so they are going
to restore
next slide please
um well the next steps they have a
non-state story
um subdivision and they're reviewing a
site development order uh already under
the under review and the architecture
has already been approved
there should be a slide for can you move
forward to see if
well this is the land LPA
recommendations we should have one for
the parking count
no so I can explain the parking count we
have two numbers we have the number that
was originally approved which is 300
parking spaces and then with the new so
what we're doing is that you're removing
parking spaces and putting a restaurant
a restaurant demands for more parking
right so the new parking account would
be
350 something uh parking spaces that
would be the new one
required for the code today
we are again we are reviewing the code
in the LDC and we are going to be
reducing those numbers because
usually we over Park you know the the
the standard to provide for peak days
right for Christmas for days that you
know there is a lot of demand for
shopping centers so we are kind of now
bringing more to reality because you
know we did not want to have a lot of
parkings a lot of area designated to
parking spaces
so this what they are providing today
which is 273 is a 24 deviation for what
the code would require
and that is I had a slide there for this
breakdown
and but it's basically a 24 deviation
so that is that is the major you know uh
you know in a way deviation that they
are requesting from the codes
so with this being two separate lots are
we going to get into a situation like we
have over here at Oviedo on the park
where this is their parking and this is
their part no it's a shared parking
agreement so they have cross access
easements in a shared parking agreement
that's part of the development agreement
so everybody can park anywhere
there isn't a longhorn
you know specific parking and there
isn't the rest you know
you're welcome
I do have uh two written requests to
speak the first one is Mr de Matteo
please state your name and your address
yes I'm loud thank you Council Connor
demateo 1009 Pearson Drive Oviedo
Florida
council members I am speaking and Mike
sassy as a citizen now unrelated to Cafe
panuzos I often talk about the need for
prioritizing infrastructure over
development to allow for the smart and
sustainable growth of Obito it is not a
question but a fact that oviedo's
roadways are stressed we see over 20 000
cars pass through the city every day by
fdot reports Lockwood alone has an
annual average daily traffic count of
over 17 000.
we can see all the traffic backups at
the Lockwood and Mitchell hammock
intersection just as well as the
Lockwood and Broadway intersections
whether that's a car stopped in the
middle of the intersection waiting to
turn Northbound onto Lockwood or if it
is the inability of a car to turn across
the southbound Lanes into the Northbound
Lanes the traffic on Lockwood is rough
putting some numbers on this claim at
the intersection of Lockwood and
Mitchell hammock there have been 24
traffic crashes in the last 12 months
the most recent being less than a month
ago
even worse the intersection of East
Broadway and Lockwood has seen 66
traffic crashes in the same time period
the most recent being today
our roadways are ill-equipped for
increased traffic flow is an
understatement
our roadways can barely withstand our
current volume and the addition of a
LongHorn Steakhouse on Lockwood
Boulevard will undoubtedly exacerbate
the issues we are already facing on our
streets even if this council is
incapable of voting down this Longhorn
development it should not go without
saying that it is not in the best
interest of the community to continue
the pace of development in the city I
implore you all to stop and reflect on
the impact development has beyond the
monetary
it can damage our community identity our
way of life and our safety I further ask
that this Council and the city officials
gathered here tonight
strongly consider hosting public forums
and appropriate actionable civil
discourse with our local business owners
local residents and local groups Beyond
those during a city council meeting many
individuals are simply unaware or
unprepared to voice their concerns in a
manner that will be able to Spur change
in the community and I truly believe
that is unfair in my heart of hearts our
role as public servants
in the words of the Constitution is to
establish justice provide for the common
defense and promote the general welfare
this comes in many forms and at its core
it is ensuring the public is informed
enough to be able to make informed
decisions and offer direction to its
public officials to enact change it
deems appropriate I fully recognize the
burden you all Face In Your Capacity as
council members and I respect you all
for putting yourselves in that position
to make tough decisions but as we look
forward looking towards tomorrow and
next week and next year we have to
accept that each of the actions and
inactions
we take will all affect us in one way or
another I do not envy you for the
decisions you have to make nor do I hold
any ill will against any of you for what
is at the end of the day just business I
do however ask that you listen to the
concerns of the citizens to ensure that
this kind of commercialization of our
great city does not continue beyond
recognition thank you all very much for
your consideration and I of course look
forward to your continued work thank you
great thank you
next up I have Miss Delgado
I am Kalina Delgado at 1004 wheeler
Place Oviedo
good evening council members I'm here
speaking to you on behalf of my family's
restaurant Cafe panuzos we have been
lucky enough to serve our Oviedo
community and have proudly done so for
the last 15 years we are most definitely
a family business my dad is the chef my
sister and cousin are servers my baby
brother is a host and we think of the
rest of our staff as family too
as I'm sure you can imagine we are
deeply concerned about the proposed
Longhorn development while we recognize
we cannot stop the development due to
the land zoning in the plaza I wanted to
present my concerns to you for remedy
unfortunately we were not notified of
this impending construction with any
advance notice so we were incapable of
raising our concerns throughout their
application and planning process if you
refer to tonight's packet under the
exhibits for resolution
436423 you will notice that the longhorn
faces away from panuzos therefore
panuzos will be in full view of
LongHorn's back facade although we
recognize that they will provide some
fencing and hedging around the dumpsters
and back door this does not mean that it
will not affect our own business under
its current orientation
having been in the restaurant industry
for well over a decade we know that no
amount of fencing will stop the smell
from radiating outward this in
conjunction with flies employees on
break behind the restaurant and the
inevitable influx of Scavenging birds
all have the potential to affect our
patio business which is very prominent
for most of the year in addition to our
general foot traffic we know our food
simply won't be as appetizing to patrons
with the smell of a dumpster at our
doorstep to be clear we want to be
supportive of a growing Oviedo but we
want to ensure that the growth and
development is Equitable for all the
affected parties that said we would like
to please ask for your help and
consideration regarding the orientation
of the restaurant we are asking that the
freestanding development be rotated 90
degrees clockwise or counterclockwise to
reduce the potential impact on our
family business if rotating the business
is not an option we would at the very
least request the dumpsters be relocated
to another part of the proposed lot
we know just as well as LongHorn
Steakhouse that when it comes to the
service industry Impressions matter this
includes the quality of the food the
quality of the staff and the overall
appearance of the restaurant inside and
out we feel as though if the tables were
turned and we were proposing a
restaurant to be constructed in front of
a longhorn they wouldn't be happy if our
dumpsters fenced or not were at their
front entrance likewise we don't believe
it's fair that our visibility to and
from Lockwood will now be separated by a
building with a view of fenced-in
dumpsters and hedges
we fully recognize that this is a big
ask of you but we do truly feel like
this is about a big enough issue for our
business that it should be considered
for resolution my family has loved
contributing to Oviedo and we are
forever grateful for the opportunities
this city has presented us we want to be
able to continue that tradition of love
and Community for many years to come and
we hope that you council members will
help maximize our chance to do that
alongside our new neighbors thank you
all so much for your time and
consideration great thank you
I have no more written requests or to
anybody that would wish to speak on the
subject that did not turn in a written
request
okay saying none we will close out for
the record
what is the pleasure our Council
Leanne for purposes of discussion move
we approve resolution 4363-23
do I have a second I'll second for
discussion my uh
iPad's going anywhere around me here so
I don't have it in front of me okay
we have a motion of discussion uh Motion
in a second what
discussion
that's a very reasonable request to not
have the dumpster be in your face thank
you for bringing that up
and for proposing a solution is the
applicant present tonight
I I think it's a reasonable request can
you accommodate it
um unfortunately in that case we do have
the building owner's approval to put the
dumpster
um and the plaza where it's at
um they are also signing the nsda in
this case as they are the property owner
so we've worked with with the building
owner in this case I get that you've
worked with the building owner but can
you of your own free will ask the
building owner to think about it I'm
saying the plaza owner again the plaza
owner yes or are they open to I don't
think they care where it is I mean
Longhorn cares where it is in this case
I would recommend that they speak with
their tenant on their concerns but we
have
that owner of the Plaza's concern so
what's your role in this
um we're with Longhorn the development
yes and then the person who is signing
this nsda is the owner of the plaza in
the rear okay
um
so are any of those people in the room
we don't have the
um the property owner at this time we do
have a gentleman here that used to be
the property owner um and they're the
developer for this as well
um but I mean Harris can speak to it as
well they are signing this nsda they
have reviewed our site plans they are in
full consent of this okay
thank you so that puts us in a really
bizarre situation uh it does look like
so I guess we need Dr Korea back up here
to address the extent to which we are
required to agree to deviations
uh so back in 1987 or so
the ability to put something of the
shape and footprint of Longhorn already
existed that is not a dispute at this
time it sounds like there is some leeway
being suggested from staff
with regards to the parking spaces so we
don't have to agree to that the
developers agreement
shifting within that module
then this is a question for our attorney
we have we do not have discretion to
shift within the limits of the
developers agreement is that correct
because it's a sort of a quasi-judicial
thing
a question I'd have to do a little
research to get you the best answer on
that okay so where'd this is going to my
brain is we may need to table this until
we have more of these answers
because I think we've got deviations
that we don't have to Grant
possibly and if we don't have to grant
them and an existing person has made a
kind of a reasonable request even if the
property owners all agree
maybe we could have a discussion about
it anyway mayor I'll be honest it's
unfortunate that this was not brought to
the attention of Staff either like a
long time ago because last time you
could have just we could have because I
think relocating a dumpster it's much
easier than
um you know shifting Shifting the
building right that can happen yeah that
would be completely different it would
be a different lot it would be a
different you know configuration it
changed the whole thing changing a
dumpster is an easier right I know the
architecture was already approved so we
already had that being discussed in the
previous meeting that was in June but
it's an easier you know configuration or
change in a plan especially in so in the
property owner so this was not
advertised to the tenants because we
have the property owner authorization he
was the one applying right so um and
that is the reason why we we would not
you know the city is not obligated to to
but everything we do is it's on the on
public records but um
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so I mean staff would be willing to to
look at the site and see if there is any
other proposal for a dumpster location
but
um we are not the property owners so we
we cannot
um
have the final
and I guess I've got another question
for the property owner with this trigger
re-engineering your site or is this like
not a big deal
so how Longhorn works on their dumpsters
in a specific location which is behind
the kitchen to prevent those people
sitting on crates in a parking area and
so it's all shielded with a wall and
then with large gates in front of the
dumpster but that building is configured
in a certain way where the dumpster has
to be attached to the building
additionally if you look at the site
plan we do have a limited lot space and
we don't have the ability to go to that
property owner in the rear because we
are selling out this prop parcel and
having a dumpster shared onto their lot
that's something that they wouldn't
agree to because then you would have
tenants you know walking through to the
rear of the other building for the
dumpster situation um so we are
providing dumpster enclosure meeting
oral architectural and legac
requirements all of our Landscaping
except for two islands which is due to
existing lighting fixtures is also
meeting Land Development code and then
the only deviations is in regards to
parking in those small items that she
brought up before we did do full parking
study as well as a traffic study and we
are within ite trip generation and
parking generation for this project at
maximum hours can you point on this or
somebody point on this where are the
dumpsters proposed to be yes
and you can see the gates in front of it
and then the wall on all sides and then
the rear doors Okay so
trees all in that Island
so roughly how many feet is between the
the dumpster area and the facade of the
building to the east
100 feet
and so this is include these have lids
they're going to be done how often are
you going to empty the dumpsters
like twice a week three every day
twice a week okay if needed they usually
the the concern I have with with the
dumpsters is we just had a code
enforcement action across the street at
the Tijuana Flats shopping center and I
mean and that was horrible if that
occurred here
that that would that would really be
detrimental to to the neighbors so in
this
imagine this is on the is on the side of
their kitchen
concerns in regards to
um that how they care for the dumpster
can also become a Florida department of
health issue because their kitchen is
right out the back door of that so
that's obviously something Longhorn is
really
adamant about their kitchen safety as
well as the dumpster being kept in a
certain way just because of the
proximity to the kitchen
Deputy Mayor can we get her name and
address please oh yes Malaya storm 5404
Cypress Center Drive thank you or Tampa
Florida
thank you
that's all I've got for now
okay any further discussion well is
there was there a suggestion to table
this because I have the same pretty much
the same concerns the mayor brought up
the only viable thing I can see is to
shift everything to the left and put
more parking in the rear of the building
unless in in front of it and I guess
that means moving things to the
I guess that would be to the West
and put some more space between the
building and the and the existing
restaurants because it's not just
panuzos out there there's a couple other
restaurants on that row too that if I
understand
so we had a motion in a second there are
you saying you want to and I I I would
like to take back my motion and move
that we table resolution
4364-23 until September 7th so we can
get the information about
you know what we are required to allow
in the form of deviations relative to
the original developers agreement
I don't think we're we're not allowed to
accept anything
okay I think we can allow I don't know
what the process is go ahead go ahead
thanks for everyone's time uh I'm Blake
McRae uh 2215 Emory Drive Tifton Georgia
I'm with Stafford development the parent
company of the developer that is in a
lease agreement with Longhorn the parent
company of Longhorn is Dart in
restaurants
some of y'all may know Darden is this is
pretty much their Hometown
um so I'm sure they take all this in
consideration just as much as I do I
know developers come in here and they
propose things but with a particular
relationship that we have with Darden at
this time they're very cognizant of the
situation and the magnitude of this
development I just ask that maybe with
the I know they're still you know
building permits to be reviewed maybe
the dumpster enclosure can be noted at
that time maybe something be worked out
at that time as well and I'm sure Darden
they would be okay with you know working
something out with the city too I know
we're not just going to just let it ride
and sweep underneath the rug I'm sure
they want to address it just as much as
we want to so we're very concerned about
that but at the same time we are here
tonight to uh just thank everyone for
your time and consideration this has
been a long process just thanks again
for your time and just listening to us
this evening
Mr Cobb are you going to say something
uh yes mayor you withdrew your motion
yes okay
definitely you don't have a motion on
the table right now so there's nothing
to table
however you can that's true you can
continue your consideration to a date
certain and you will need to specify the
day the mayor recommended September 7th
but I will tell you those deadlines for
submittal are coming up in the next few
days
um what is it next Monday
or next Thursday
September 1st we have to publish
well it seems like we ought to be able
to very quickly
find the answer about you know with the
deviations and all that good stuff and I
don't want to hold up the project that's
that's not the intent here it's let's
get the information that we're lacking
as quickly as we can okay one thing
about it is
yes there was a what they call it there
was a development agreement done back in
1987 that was for the Twin Rivers PUD
this is a commercial track within the
Twin Rivers PUD subsequently there was
probably at that time because it was
before I got your a conditional use
permit which is today's site development
order that was done for the shopping
center
and so those were done the the
the development agreement for Twin
Rivers basically says it's C2 it follows
C2 and that's really all it says doesn't
get into the detail that we get into
nowadays with our non-statutorial
development agreements when you're doing
a non-state 40 development you're
establishing minimum standards you're
not really doing deviations yes they
look like deviations because it's
something different from what's in our
code but for this property you're
actually setting minimum standards for
that this applicant did us like with the
parking this applicant did a study they
said that there was there was capacity
to accommodate the lesser of the Lesser
thing across the entire property this
does encompass the entire the shopping
center as well as the long part it
encompasses everything they did as
parking study the parking study said
that there was adequate parking to
accommodate the restaurant as well as
the shopping center they did a traffic
study as well they really didn't have to
do a traffic study because that was all
taken care of during the approved back
in 1987 with the approval of Twin Rivers
uh so but you can continue it if you
have questions yes that's within your
your authority to say we would like to
continue this then make sure it's to a
date certain so that then we can get we
can get the answers to your questions
for you and get that put back in we have
two meetings in September September 7th
which is a Thursday and we also have
September the 18th so
so you're saying this is not a 24
deviation then no not in this case
you're setting the minimum standard in
other words you're going to set the
minimum standard for this development
that's what you're doing that's what
that's the difference with the between
the development agreement and a site
development order a site development or
if it was coming for you it would be
listed as a deviation a 24 deviation to
the parking regulations but in this case
you're actually saying that this
property will have how much 200 257 so
we're we're making rules right out of
thin air and that is my concern is that
we're making rules out of thin air it's
not out of thin air well no it's based
on stuff I agree based on studies but we
don't have to have these be the rules we
can have different rules because we are
making them up not making them base
basing them on but issues not parking
right the issue is is the dumpster is
the location so two considerations that
I wanted to bring one is that this is
not a a unique situation right in
Suburban development when you have the
development sat way back there are
sometimes out Parcels right so we have
several examples of that Central Square
is building the last out parcel right
the publics have several out Parcels so
this is not an uncommon situation now we
can try so for the dumpster if we cannot
move the dumpster there are landscape
you know solutions that we can you know
enhance to to
trying to to disguise right or to try to
buffer or like get some fans that have
to blow towards Longhorns or something I
don't know we we can work on that so I
don't know if um because if it's a
completely rearrangement of the site
then it's going to be very hard to come
in September 7th right it feels like
it's going to be beautiful can Longhorn
agree to put fans blowing any potential
smells well
that's not it I mean we're not Engineers
here but that's something all we're
trying to do is we we know that there's
a there could be a new sense caused by
the dumpsters and we need to find a way
a solution to resolve that nuisance but
we're allowed to put that in this type
of document that's what I'm saying this
is such a flexible malleable document we
can put these things in it and it could
directly address the one concern
that I I think we can probably address
this late in the game which is the smell
is that something you can just on that
spot
say you're cool with
I feel like that would move over into a
building permitting type of document
while the mlup does kind of leave
availability
um for us to make deviations from code
I'm not sure that it sets the
availability to implement stuff above
code requirements um so with that being
said you know we did provide everybody
as well as staff the parking studies
support it the parking counts we do meet
Seminole County code on the parking
study as well and then we would just ask
potentially that we could make a
condition of this approval that we add
additional landscaping or buffer between
the trash enclosure and the rear uses as
a condition of this document
so how what would that look like from a
legal perspective we would not
necessarily approve this document per se
tonight we would approve a document
that's slightly modified and we'd still
have to revisit it on the 7th
I think that it's a messy mayor um
procedurally I would like a chance to
look at it just
the options are in this specific context
okay so it sounds like at this point the
cleanest method is to continue this
until September 7th I would continue it
till September 18th that far I don't
want to that gives them time to research
it
can you guys live with the 17th 18th or
18th whatever yeah
I know you don't want to live beyond
today but yeah no I understand I mean uh
unfortunately we would not be able to to
live with it because per our lease
agreement we have to have government
approval by a certain date
and what's your drop dead date like this
Friday so Friday and your staff has been
awesome with getting us here and I
appreciate every one of you guys but it
is really is it's like it's at that
point and so as far as certain
conditions that we can discuss I mean I
know there's
um as far as dumpster enclosure you know
as far as if there's regular maintenance
associated with that with pressure
washing and cleaning of the dumpsters uh
you know disposing getting them
maintained more often you know we'd have
to talk to the owner about that but yeah
we're kind of at that at that critical
moment that
2021 and if we don't get approved this
week then
all bets are off it's all done like and
we're out I mean yes I guess the only
question I would have in this back to
staff how did we get to this point we're
we're at a deadline
tonight for the for Friday for this
applicant it seems like this should have
come to us sooner
we can only bring when it's ready right
so yeah but it's ready he has a deadline
by this Friday I mean so how does that
happen
to me everything we do is on the clock
we did not control the applicants
right so everything if every time we
review plans it's on the clock
today's efficiency 21 8 Days first
compliance 21 to a second compliance
14th when did the applicant turn in the
proposed like who crafted this I'm
guessing the applicant crafted the
non-statutory development agreement when
did it come in
so I don't have debates here okay we got
dates back here somebody's going to jump
in and tell us
I don't understand how we have four days
development review manager the
application came in in November of 2021.
so
this non-statutory development agreement
has been in our hands for two almost two
years and it's never been shown to us
until four days before they have a
triggered deadline am I understanding
this correctly
we've gone through the process where
they go through review and then they go
to land planning agency into City
Council
I'm talking about this document
specifically the non-statutory
development agreement
when that that not the site plan not the
architectural I know they've been going
through different parts of review but
this the nsda
uh when did this hit our end
it was November of 2021 that came in
there was a period of time where this
application laid dormant for almost a
year
and then they revved it up okay so this
has been an on our in our court since
2021. the application came over here
just the application not the nsda
yes so the application comes it's an
nsga in a conceptual development plan
right this document the 21 Pages not the
final one but in the final one not but
the proposal the application to start
the process yes the thought to create a
21-page or so document that began in
2021. at what point did was there a
draft of what we're looking at now the
21 pages
the the current draft that we have
or some something kind of close to it
that would have
said what the buffers were and all these
things
the documents changed over time so the
most recent where it was close to this
version is probably back in May or June
of this year okay so three four months
maybe yeah and and since then there's
been some tweaks in language and back
and forth to make sure that the
development agreement reported to the
Twin Rivers ped and some other issues
that we need to go ahead and iron out as
far as you know having the proper owner
and you know little items that we have
to iron out to make sure that it's ready
to go to the land planning agency and
city council okay
mayor if I may that there is no site
plan at the moment that's submitted so
you it is possible if the council once
wishes to put
um conditions on the approval of what's
before you tonight that's that is an
option if you would like to do that and
then you can address the further
concerns in the site plan approval but
would this site plan necessarily come
before us they don't have to correct as
long as there's no deviations
this is back to the thing we already had
an issue with so I don't want us to get
stuck in a spot where this is our last
bite at the Apple and we don't address
what would I think is a reasonable
concern
yeah unless you have specific requests
so if you it's to enhance the landscape
so that it buffers you know any nuisance
you're laughing at me but I'm serious
fans that's that gets the smell going
the right way for sure if you guys can
agree to fans
I'm all in tonight
so why not enclose it with a roof and
put exhaust fans on it and then if it
smells under the roof you guys will have
to do something about it
you know I don't know this this really
is impacting existing
restaurants out there I know you've
probably worked in good faith but these
these folks have been here for a long
time and
I can't see where it wouldn't impact
them so we need to do something to try
to mitigate that
um
I mean as of right now she's making a
phone call to the director of real
estate for Darden she's the key decision
maker
um she can see what asked if they can
meet with with staff or or the I mean
tenants the fans I'm I'm very
open-minded to anything
um but as we know with anything that's
mounted outside such as a fan or
anything like that how long is that
going to last is it going to break down
I mean I I totally get it that's the
same thing with the gates yeah how long
does it get I mean the gate's going to
stay closed and they just leave them
wide open that's right and you get the
rodents and everything else in there in
front of the restaurant right no I
totally get it I totally understand what
you guys are saying
um I just feel like maybe during site
plan review or building permit reviews
some of that stuff can be addressed we
can still sit down and have those
discussions at that time I'm just asking
for approval with conditions so we can
move this still forward provide a nice
sit-down restaurant for the citizens of
Oviedo so
is there even a mechanism in our code
for us to approve condition upon us
getting to deal with the dumpsters later
I don't think we have we do okay please
tell us about this method you could do
it you could do a motion to adopt with
the condition that
the dumpster the dumpster enclosure
we'll just call it I'll call it
enclosure the enclosure of the dumpsters
will have to be addressed at site at
site development order to
and it has to come back to council I
think that staff can't do it on their
own with increased Landscaping ever how
you know even like Mr Britton explore
that option you didn't answer your
question you know and we wanted to come
back to us I think do we all want it to
come back
versus staff just said oh that's as good
as it gets I want to be sure that
whatever solution we come up with
actually works and that it's done
I will say this coordination of the
tenants you can insert language into the
development agreement that the site
development order must be approved by
Council okay but you can't impose it on
them they have to agree to it the
agreement isn't it is an agreement they
have to agree to the conditional
language being added to the added to the
nsda okay that their side plan will be
approved by Council if they don't agree
to it then we'll write back to I would
say continuous okay but can I can I ask
the applicant question real quick yes so
you said that it has to be approved by
the governing body by Friday right
but it's not getting approved because
the site development order or the the
um final engineering does this allow a
closing to occur is that that the bench
Mark year ma'am I'm sorry does this
allow a closing to occur like you get
the nsda then everything is set so you
can begin your real estate moving okay
so you're you're working towards a
closing correct right okay and this is
your deadline on Friday so if we approve
it uh subject to uh adding language that
the site plan will come before this body
to make sure that we're cool with the
dumpster resolution at a later date will
that get you where you need to go
I can't really answer that I don't know
if uh she's she's probably on the phone
with somebody trying to figure out what
she's probably talking to a person that
probably needs to be here to tell us yes
or no uh unfortunately Madam I'm I'm
unable to answer that part so
um so I'm sorry okay well well can we
can we do this and give them some time
and let's you want to talk about the
discussion item and then we can come
back to this while you guys uh actually
she's coming back now yep
you're on the hot seat
sorry so where we are right now is uh
proposing language to approve this
roughly as it is but added a provision
if you guys will agree to it that the
site plan uh the site development order
will return to council so we can make
sure we're comfortable with the the way
the dumpsters are addressed
so it's so the question that was then
it's site plan not the site development
oh that okay
happy to me if I could re request that
this is bumped to the last item and we
can have a meeting even with the
panusa's representative to see if we can
have any kind of agreement you know that
would be good okay all right okay I
think we're in agreement there all right
okay thank you so what are we going to
the uh we're going to the concessions
the discussion item
you guys are hardcore all the scouts
thank you for sticking this out I am so
impressed
got a real lesson today they're helping
us with a pledge of allegiance yeah
you're good
they're all revved up for you
I got time to go to the restaurant this
usually doesn't yeah we'll take a five
minute bile break
we're ready to go ahead and move on to
discussion item
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so we're on item 15 here
discussion item veto sports complex and
Shane Kelly concession operations Mr
Kyle be by the brief introduction are
you going to let this Belden go ahead
and jump right into it all right let Mr
Belden go at it
good evening honorable mayor Deputy
married council members tonight City
staff is requesting
direction from city council with regards
to Outsourcing
concessions operations at Oviedo Sports
Complex and Shane Kelly Park tonight
staff is recommending that we amend the
existing agreements with Oviedo Babe
Ruth and the Florida crazed Crush youth
organizations to allow them to operate
their own concessions utilizing City
facilities with the respective
facilities that they use Oviedo Babe
Ruth uses a comp Sports Complex creates
crushes at Shane Kelly Park
secondly staff is recommending that we
utilize the net savings from these
changes to unfreeze to maintenance
worker one positions that would then be
utilized within the Park's maintenance
division in your packet we had
attachment number one that provided
those net savings to you
to break that down for you from savings
and temporary staffing and concession
supplies there was approximately overall
Savings of 137 thousand dollars
on the flip side with us giving up the
concession stands to the youth leagues
there is obviously a reduction of
Revenue so the net revenue loss
incorporating the concession stand lease
that the leagues would pay the city
equates to a little bit over forty six
thousand dollar deduction at the end of
the day net savings is just shy of
ninety one thousand dollars which we
staff is requesting to be
um
recommended to unfreeze those two
positions this evening it is recommended
that city council provide discussion and
direction to staff with regarding the
libido concession stand operations and
this evening I have joining me is our
the president of your Babe Ruth Jason
McCluskey he'd be more than happy to
answer any questions regarding them
taking on on their role best idea ever
I've been hoping we do this for seven
years it's about time
so is uh
is there going to be a cost sharing or
is it going to be at least to the the
leagues or what so
presently if this is a uh if we get the
proper direction this evening we would
do an amendment to their agreement
incorporating a concession lease as part
of their normal agreement okay with
regards to Oviedo Babe Ruth it would
basically be twelve thousand dollars how
much twelve thousand dollars Revenue a
thousand dollars per per month okay uh
Florida crazy crust would be a four
thousand dollars per year uh broken down
you know by monthly
so where does the
the revenue for the maintenance workers
come from
there's no revenue for the maintenance
workers we're not paying people to sell
constructions anymore yeah so so we
pulled so we're pulling off City staff
that were running the thing and
transferring that over to them so labor
running these concession stands is one
of our key components it took it took up
a lot of our uh you know budget uh we're
not capturing the full-time hours that
are associated with this so full-time
staff are just being reallocated we are
shifting our model of concessions over
to the gymnasium and Aquatics facility
the Cantina in Oviedo in the park and
Riverside Park which soon will have our
new Senior Center as well as a skate
park so you weren't making money on
these concessions we were they were they
were making money
um this is the chance that we just did a
full review of the operations and we
feel that by making these changes we can
shift our resources elsewhere without
losing the service level to the
customers
partnering with Oviedo Babe Ruth and
crazed Crush will serve as a fundraiser
for those programs they can now generate
some fundraising activity to now be
pumped into their program and
potentially be offset and return to the
city for maintenance so let me put
another way your recommendation is a is
a net
cost to the city's Net Zero cost of the
city
there's true savings we are trying to
reallocate those savings into the
maintenance workers that are truly
needed in the Parks division
one of them would be stationed at Oviedo
Sports Complex there's four individuals
that maintain that facility so it's a
net zero
essentially I mean better cost recovery
in our and our efficiency increases by
making this transition
okay okay
do you want to say something
I can't so uh my name is Jason McCluskey
I'm the president of Vito Babe Ruth uh
so like Paul pointed out that this is
going to help us with fundraising in the
park uh all of our families and stuff
like that where we can donate stuff back
to the park to do some upgrades that
they're asking for
um and basically just allow us to be
open during all of our times because
there has been some times that well the
city can't host everything that we have
going on so the concessions are closed
and
we have people asking us where they can
get waters and stuff and we have
injuries and nobody can get ice and
stuff like that so this allows us to
help out everybody that's there at the
park to play with us so you guys are in
agreement correct yeah we went through
our board we've been talking now I think
for like six months back and forth
um and then we went to our our board and
our board approved it I have not
mentioned it to all of our players yet
until tonight until it was approved or
whatever uh then I was gonna go to the
all the families to let them know but
right now it's just our board members
that know okay okay all right some
crazies the same way they're
was receptive we are still working on
some of the the the details on how to
take that over uh which I'm confident we
would work those details out the uh
Oviedo literally they don't use our
facilities do they they're just out did
they use um the sports complex but they
have their own concessions stands at
their facility now you're running that
themselves okay we're one of the few
municipalities that actually run our own
concessions in the state little in the
nation a lot of Youth groups operate
their own concession stands and we feel
um you know there's been discussions in
the past about concessions and even the
facility for that matter and after
further thought and review of Staff I'm
open to this opportunity um it's I think
it's going to be a benefit for the city
but I think it's gonna be a benefit for
the community
on top of that so so I have a I have a
couple questions so the current
concession supplies that are in there
that were paid for by the city what's
going to happen to those supplies are
they going to be reallocated together so
the the the reduction of supplies is
sixty thousand five hundred dollars
that's the savings so what's the Forty
thousand for
are we still putting supplies in the
concession stand so yeah the remaining
forty thousand is for the three is for
the stands that are still open the
gymnasium and Aquatics facility okay yes
yeah we're still operating those things
so but the the ones that are in the
concession stand at at the at Shane
Kelly and at
um of the Sports Center Sports Complex
those ones are those those con those
supplies are going to be reallocated to
the existence we reduce those completely
from the budget from those four stands
yes okay that's what he's asking is if
there's stuff left over when they take
over we're giving them shells of
buildings not supplies that they're
selling and keeping the profit that's
one thing I didn't share with you as
we're currently working on
um as part of their Amendment any of the
equipment that's left in the stands the
league is um willing to purchase that
back from the city as part of their
Amendment
but what if we have a city event at
those facilities now we're not going to
have access to the to the concession
stands at the at the complex or Shane
Kelly yes that's something we would
still work in with them uh they would
provide the opportunity to open
concessions for those events we don't
have any City events at those two
locations right now other than the the
crazed Crush Youth League games
or the sports complex tournaments or
their own you know
we did the project pressure way back
um
my issue is is we're giving we're giving
you know something that you know piece
of our property you know over to them I
mean there's a there's a lease agreement
but then we're not entitled to use it
anymore for anything that we may want to
do right as part of the the agreement
we're also going to require that if
there's any usage in the in the complex
that they're going to be responsible for
opening the stands for those groups so
if if a beetle B Ruth is not as complex
but literally just using the you know
two fields for instance they would have
to open up the stand for that practice
same for a softball tournament same
thing just like for our adult softball
teams that are City sponsored if we have
a games going on on Monday night out
there but there's no other activity in
the complex Oviedo Babe Ruth will be
required to open up the stand for our
city-sponsored program okay okay and
that's that's a revenue generator for
for you guys I assuming you're going to
be using volunteers right correct yeah
so the volunteers uh basically of our
members of The League uh we are so we're
going to reach out to high schools and
stuff like that uh and try to do the
community service hours and stuff like
that
okay be careful with that I haven't used
to do that
we ate more popcorn than we sold yeah
and there's also be a transition period
with this
um If This Were to if we got the
direction from Council this evening we
would use the month of September as a
slow transition period we would you know
the leagues only take on one stand
the other two stands would be monitored
by City staff so there could be a
transition we're going to train their
staff we're also going to work them
through the tanks and
um as far as the equipment and show them
how to use it properly also make sure
that their staff or volunteers are
certified through the Safe Surf program
so no it sounds like a good plan
sale I'm not sold on that okay well
greatest thing ever but it sounds like
you got consensus so we have consensus
right we have consensus okay all right
all right sorry Bob all right thank you
thank you thank you Mr McCloskey
no appreciate it
all right all right we're back to
resolution
4364-23 Master land we use plan and
non-statutory development agreement plan
for Lockwood Village shopping center
thank you Deputy Mayor so we reached an
agreement uh we what we're going to do
so he is we're going to flip the the
dumpsters the enclosure they are facing
now East
now they're gonna face Southeast
so they are not gonna face
um if we can pull the the I got it
pictured
yeah that okay with you guys
all right
okay
so it's not gonna face the restaurant
anymore and uh what we agreed also is to
increase the the enclosure the walls and
then to enhance with landscape okay so
they are not going to look at the
dumpsters it's going to be now facing
the drive aisle so where you see over
there the South you know east corner
where you have the huge island that's
where we're gonna put the dumpsters and
now they're gonna be facing 90 degrees
to the
um driving aisle that it's going you
know to the east so that area is going
where you have the dumpsters it's going
to be moved and over there you're gonna
have dumpsters to move higher walls more
Landscaping more landscape enough
so that little curved area
Corner that's where the dumpsters are
going to go yes there's some Landscaping
in there and then you'll move the
Landscaping over a little bit yeah okay
all right okay everyone's agreeing and
we are going to I'm going to um we're
gonna communicate now with the
um tenants and we are going to send to
them just so that we need to make any of
that in our in the motion or are we good
we need words we can trust you and I can
sign this on Friday so we're so we're
not signing something tonight I want to
make sure that the words that we come up
with in this agreement is reflected I
think you approved with the condition
that the conceptual development plan is
is is amended and the side plan reflects
you know the amendment to show the
dumpsters at that location where you
have the island
um not facing the restaurant so not
facing the shopping center facing the
South you know East portion with higher
enclosures and enhanced landscape around
it
okay I move we do what she just said
can we also add a second can we add one
other thing
that we don't have to amend the
architectural design order to do this
you've already approved it back in June
and I would appreciate that we can do
these these adjustments without having
to think that they're going to change
right yeah it doesn't change the
materials no so that's what we approved
yeah I just want to make sure because of
the Mr developer can you do this as a
field change
okay uh
we got Pastor bedtime
at least we're not Winter Springs yet
so
Okay so
all right so basically what I would
recommend is this make it make a motion
to adopt the resolution
uh with the
changes that were addressed by Dr Correa
in that the dumpster area will be
relocated facing the southeast and that
there will be taller Walls and More
landscaping and did I cover everything
and that that has to be all done as part
of the stock development
I move we have adopt resolution 4364-23
on the condition that we add in language
that the angle of the dumpsters will be
shifted to the southeast the walls will
be higher by an amount of
two feet
and additional Landscaping in the form
of
bushes trees and other it that it will
not pay a buffer an opaque okay A little
pig buffer I like that something that we
cannot tell is a wall so much vegetation
we can't tell it's a wall
I think that's the motion no that is the
motion is that the motion I don't know
if I said a complete sentence is the
last thing but second you get the idea
we have a motion in a second
a discussion
all right I'm glad we were able to
resolve this tonight so everybody can
move forward
okay and thank you for coming and
speaking
oh yes we can
all those in favor say aye aye
thank you so much thank you
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okay city managers report I have no
report deputy mayor all right City
attorney's report
Mr Deputy Mayor good evening mayor
council
I just wanted to report that at the last
meeting you requested that I send a
request for an advisory opinion to the
division of Elections
um pertaining to
um whether the city's authorized to post
factual information about the bond
referendum on its social media as well
as website and just wanted to let you
know that that request was sent on
August 14th the division of Elections
confirmed receipt on August 16th and in
the request I did include a statement of
necessity for an expedited response so
hoping to hear back soon
thank you okay thank you
council member Britton
uh real quick just want to
kind of update on the league of cities
conference that we went to last week it
was
you don't always go to every every
session they have but they had some good
sessions on
the effects of artificial intelligence
they had a couple CNN anchors on there
that gave a pretty pretty cool
presentation on on the state of things
that we have in our country and maybe
the need to tone it down a little bit
and I'll wait to see that from them
one conversation I had was with a group
that's
vendor for this program called red speed
and chief I've I've talked to you about
it uh it's a program that the state
legislatures have passed into the law
where they would put speed cameras up in
school zones
and it'll
have a sign they're saying you're on
camera any car going over uh 10 miles an
hour over the limit in the school zone
gets a hundred dollar ticket
automatically
I think that's a good idea that there
was a report on the news the other night
that I think Winter Garden has already
implemented it and it's it's pretty easy
to see there's a sign that said you're
on camera and here's your speed and if
you don't slow down you're going to get
a hundred dollar ticket so Chief I know
you wanted to to work with the county on
this but I I'd hate to wait to let that
bureaucracy take effect is there any way
we can
take some steps and get out in front of
this and maybe be the leaders on this
okay I'm not advocating the fellow I
talked to was very very impressive uh
so but I'm not advocating a particular
vendor just just want to see if we can
go find someone that can do this and
take the lead and do what we normally do
lead lead stuff shouldn't we vet it a
little bit more just to make sure that
there's no there's always going to look
at it may make sure it doesn't because I
think there's some legislation that had
to do with red light ticketing uh red
light cameras this last season I know
comes up over and over again and and it
there's this red light cameras this was
school zone I get it the red light in a
school zone may be kind of different
things but I think there will be some
pushback
well I hope there is because I go
through school zones all the time and I
get past like crazy especially on 419.
uh I've been hit
by a bunch of emails from different
vendors on the same thing once once the
bill was passed it only specifically
governs school zones during school times
is effectively a red light camera
instead of a camera a red light is for
Speed yeah and uh it's a flat rate
already already decided to pass by the
state legislator for all uh all of
Florida
I've we had a Chiefs meeting the other
day and it doesn't appear to anybody in
the county is ready to move forward on
it uh any any municipalities or the
county itself but we'll start looking
into it and see where we go with this
for what vendor and what it'll take and
what the costs are and all of that so
okay I don't
try to keep in my mind what what school
zones we have in the city and I think
there's only uh on 419 maybe on Alafaya
Woods Boulevard
depending on depending on where they
what roads they allow them on and I
can't I don't I don't I can't give you
that answer Mitchell hammock and uh
Alfie Woods Boulevard yeah it's a
signalized intersection but still yeah I
don't yeah I don't see the sign hanging
over the road saying you know 20 miles
an hour when the lights flashing like
they have correct uh in front of
stenstrom uh in front of by just by
every Elementary School somewhere
there's probably one parking's got one
on our street on Twin Rivers Boulevard
Alfie Woods Boulevard
off the top of my head that's the two
Live Oak has one yeah that would
probably be yeah I just uh I think it's
attractive to me because I I see us
every day people driving like
Knuckleheads and if anything can keep
them aware of their surroundings I think
it's a good thing okay we'll take a look
into it okay all right that's all I have
all right
council member Tucker is not here
tonight Madame mayor
on League of cities this
I got a little note that I have
officially been appointed to the
taxation committee and I'm very excited
about that because
um part of their wrap up at the league
and I was not on that committee I was on
land use this last year but the taxation
committee uh was they listed as the hot
bills to watch the pair bills that were
inspired by Oviedo and the once at sales
tax and expanding its use to be allowed
for maintenance in addition to Capital
expenditures so I'm looking forward to
digging into that on I think it's
September 8th as the first policy
meeting
and also the original bills that were
filed last year are coming back both of
those sponsors are open to if we can
address some of the concerns that kept
them from moving last season they're
they're both open to to file them again
so I'm really hopeful that we can get
this done
and are you on a committee yes
taxation okay which I have done before
and it was not exciting but I'm really
excited about this pair of bills so I'm
going to power through it because we
need all the whole state get excited
about it okay I'm on the transportation
and uh yeah you're like Transportation
guy how many years have you been on that
one
I'm glad you do it maybe yeah that I
poked my head in there and it's not as
exciting as land use oh we have fun
uh and one other thing I wanted to let
you guys know about is there is a guy
named Mr Young who noticed a problem a
while ago and in one of our
neighborhoods and that is that there was
no place for the kids who were coming to
the bus stop to hang out so he went and
he had stalled a bench at his own
expense in his house uh you know it's
kind of by the sidewalk and then he
planted trees
and they've been there for a while and I
think the city recognized him at the
time but this post has gone viral guys
everybody uh in the whole country now
knows about Mr Young and the really cool
thing he did seeing a problem he just
saw this so I wanted to give him a shout
out because
it was just really cool seeing that he's
like oh no big deal I know how to do
this I'll fix it and and he did so
that's an inspiration to all of us too
we see a problem just fix it man
that's all I got great council member
Pollock
I've got another report
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while you're out this time too
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um just a couple of things uh obviously
there was a great Optical peers coming
in and xanier that's uh always good to
see them so that was great do you know
what they're going to use that money for
not yet not yet they'll come back and
let us know dog food dog food yeah and
officer Bongo I just we found he's going
to be our second motorcycle officer all
right congratulations to you sir that is
great stuff
cheap one more thing I had a few things
for you tonight but one more thing was
uh I would sit down in South Florida
this week and I went by and I was
telling Mr Cobb I went by the Fort
Lauderdale Police Department and it is
being torn down being rebuilt and that
was curious if we could find out how
they're doing that what is her plan to
do it and how it's being funded Mr Cobbs
suggested maybe you could reach out to
your counterpart and see if maybe you
could find out anything or know somebody
down there that could find anything out
yeah it looks like they're completely
tearing down the building and rebuilding
it but they had to fund it somehow I was
curious how they were funding it and
what was their plan
property taxes property taxes the
highest in the country
donut but I thought was interesting
especially since it's a hot topic for us
so
um
and obviously uh
the research I know that Mr shank had
asked about research I know you kind of
addressed a little bit Yeah if there's
anything
great I'm glad we were able to work out
the situation with the longhorn and Cafe
penuzo I'm glad we could come to our
agreement on that appreciate everybody's
work on that scat troop 787 they're
already gone to bed so but thanks for
them for for coming in tonight and uh
that was good Paul that was a great idea
with the concessions thing I think
that's uh that's going to be a winner
there so appreciate how you're looking
at parks and rec as a business and
really trying to find a ways there to
improve it and really looking at the
money so great job there there and
that's all I got uh future meeting dates
uh Monday August 28th we have a work
session that is still
uh Thursday August uh September 7th is a
budget CRA governing board tentative
tentative actually you're going to have
a meeting but it's a different topic you
did your budget tonight so okay
Thursday September 7th we have a budget
regular session with Council
Monday September 18th at 6 30 we have
budget regular session
and Monday is September 25th is a work
session tentative it's still tentative
still tentative all right
anything else for the good of the order
we are adjourned