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and I'd love to get a picture of you

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guys because I've got like the best view

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so I can figure out how to get my camera

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to work don't worry about it

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please

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like Jonah

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don't know

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if you could all join me in a moment of

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silence

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thank you

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I like to call this meeting order this

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is Monday August 21st of uh 2023 at 6

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30. we have four of the five council

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members of President we are missing uh

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councilwoman Tucker tonight

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our first order of business is we have a

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recognition of our comfort canine

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exander and officer Ashley Pierce

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would you be able to share just a few

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words about the the contest that that

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these guys won sure after Mass services

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holds a canine Grant every year this

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year we had over 700 entries Nationwide

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and her entry with Xander got first our

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second place in the tier so um they were

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rewarded a thousand dollars for the

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canine program

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uh so we are so grateful for this

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additional funding and so grateful for

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officer Pierce and Xander and all that

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they do for our community did everybody

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get a chance to pet Xander hopefully out

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there good

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night

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area

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thank you

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all right

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okay

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that was very nice that was up always

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great to do one of those things all

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right next up I have approval of the

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minutes for May 24 23 special session

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and June 5th regular session Mr chair

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I'll make a motion to approve the May

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24th and June 5th meetings second all

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right I have a motion in a second any

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discussion

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all right I'll call the boat all those

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in favor say aye aye

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opposed name okay

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what's with people outside are watching

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the talk to the people I want to make

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sure they hear us I like them when I can

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hear you gotta talk right into them okay

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on the public comment I do have some uh

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Quest public comment

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I see two of them are for

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the two ordinances did you all want to

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speak when we do the ordinances you want

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to speak now

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we can go ahead and do it now

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so first up will be uh Mr Shank

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hello everybody uh Stephen shank 112

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Boardwalk Avenue Oviedo I'm just here

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about the uh I know it's only first

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reading uh or a setting scheduled first

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reading but to get some ideas and stuff

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thoughts in the head about golf carts

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and the upcoming uh ordinance uh first

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uh you know it's mentioned in there the

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extensive research that's done but

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there's absolutely nothing attached to

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that packet that shows any research has

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done whatsoever

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to give you any idea of why what where

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when how

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and what went into putting this together

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so you know if I can get that tomorrow

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that'd be great but uh you know that

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that's what I'd like to see first and

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foremost is the research that was done

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um why who's looking for this uh what

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brought this forward what groups groups

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Etc have brought this forward to make

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this uh put motion

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uh what areas are going to be most

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affected as part of that research what

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areas are going to be most affected uh

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that you again that the research points

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out that will be getting

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the most traffic from golf carts uh

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things like that

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uh how did you determine that golf carts

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streets there that stated in there as

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part of thing that it was determined

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that they could be safely on city

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streets what was that determination how

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is that done

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reports mechanisms Etc uh why was

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Chapman and them all specifically left

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out those seem two interesting thoughts

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especially Chapman to me since the back

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end is almost rural it's an interesting

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thought that that was designated to not

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have any golf cart traffic on it

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as far as cost there's it says costs who

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knows you know some estimate of the cost

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that's going to be involved in not only

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registration that should theoretically

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take care of itself never does but

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should theoretically take care of the

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cost of administration

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but of taking care of the officers and

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everybody enforcing those uh things we

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already have golf carts that are in

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multiple neighborhoods and are I'm going

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to say the word problematic but they're

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problematic they ride on the sidewalk

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they're out on the street they have kids

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riding etc etc how will that solve this

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problem because that's illegal currently

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so how does this help change that which

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is already happening

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and have you gone around to any

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neighbors the neighborhoods that will be

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affected uh and said you know this is

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what we're thinking this is what we're

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looking at what do you propose I live on

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the areas that's it's already has golf

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carts come through

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some of them street legal which is

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currently legal if you have a Street

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you can drive that currently

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so you're adding in what looks like

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almost Street Legal golf carts if you

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look at the definition of what you need

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to have it and then a license from the

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um if you want to designate certain

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areas that are allowed and those areas

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want it I'm all for it but that would be

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the step to me not

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broaden compassing and then trying to

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come back and say well these areas don't

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like it thank you for your time thank

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you sir

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okay next up I have a Donald Terry

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hi uh thank you for allowing me to speak

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Donald Terry 1911 silverweed way

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I live across the street from the mall

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and the townhouses I was here previously

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at the zoning board talking about the

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units that are being developed in front

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of the mall and that strip on the

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boulevard I would like to address this

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557 unit multi-family residents

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developed next door to the dwell

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so we got the dwell which is 300 units

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let's say so that's 600 cars so now you

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want to add a

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557 unit I mean that's a big amount of

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people so that's 1100 cards

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and the only way in and out is Sugar

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Mill or is there going to be another way

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in or out that little that other little

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street that goes to West Broadway I mean

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Maggie new had told me that that would

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be one of the exits for the dwell

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but I don't see another way out for this

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557 unit

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monstrosity that you're putting up in

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another Woods I mean

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I understand this is Florida you need to

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develop there's rules about development

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but does it have to be so massive

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I mean I understand it has to be so big

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it covers the expenses for the developer

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covers a lot of things for the developer

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it'll be very profitable with that many

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units but I mean

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it reaches a point here in Oviedo where

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there's not going to be any woods

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anywhere it's just going to be

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wall-to-wall Apartments retail Banks

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dentist office

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the traffic

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so you put up a light where there's

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Sugar Mill

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off of a Rita of of you know Mall

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Boulevard but if you're driving east

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from the mall over 417 and you want to

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turn in a Sugar Mill there's no turning

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lane

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what are you going to do with 1100

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people who want to get into

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those the dwell and the other new unit

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it says here there's no uh expense for

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improvements to the developer

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uh can't they pay for something

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um so I I'm very much against this

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of course I don't have very much support

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I have one other guy here who who agrees

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with me

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um and I presume then there's another

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public meeting after this September one

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or something like that do I need to

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bring more people to get a voice

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um I don't know it's you read in on

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Facebook all the time oh there's too

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much development too much development

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no one shows up no one cares I don't

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know

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it's when I moved here 12 years ago was

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a little teeny town no traffic now you

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could barely make a turn you can't pull

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a lot of Culver's those little retail

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shops in West Broadway that have the

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drill behind it you can't pull a lot of

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those it's very hard to pull into those

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so I don't know

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it reaches a point where it's absurd I

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think and 550 units just sounds like a

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monstrosity that's all I have to say

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thank you great thank you

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I have two for the resolution do you all

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want to speak at the resolution

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okay next up is the consent agenda what

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is the pleasure of council I move we

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approve the consent agenda but take

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number nine separately please

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so uh approved consent agenda items

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number four through eight please

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which one which one you want to remove

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uh item nine nine

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second

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all right I have a motion in a second

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any discussion

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okay

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so the motion is to approve agenda

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except removing number nine

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number nine would go into

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discussion item

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that would be number uh

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attendee or 9A no Stephanie mayor just

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make it 9A and we'll consider it

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separately okay

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okay so we had the motion and a second

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all those in favor say aye aye

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okay now let's do 9A

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and not for no need on my end to do a

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big formal presentation I read the

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packet so I've just hoping we can

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consider it separately oh thank you

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okay so we get resolution number

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4366-23 FY 2022 23 Florida recreational

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development assistance program Grant

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application for Riverside Park

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Mr Cobb how shall we proceed uh thank

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you Deputy Mayor this is request for

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Council to approve the submittal of a

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Grant application for the Ferd app the

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Florida Recreation development uh

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I'm not sure on the AP but it's it's a

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recreation Grant to the State of Florida

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and to authorize a work order with rmpk

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funding who is our grant writer for uh

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four thousand dollars for the

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preparation in the submittal of the

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Grant application the Grant application

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is for Riverside Park and still new

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improvements to the uh multi-purpose

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field down below where The Pavilions are

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also to bring in picnic areas as well as

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create an official dog park which we

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know from past history that a lot of

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folks use that area as a unofficial doc

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Park and so the staff is looking at the

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idea of actually creating a smaller

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version of the BART card which is up at

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Shane Kelly Park uh and then also to do

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some resurfacing of the uh of the

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parking lot uh Mr Mr Belden is here uh

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to answer any questions the city's

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policy requires Council approval for us

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to be able to submit the application so

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that's why we have this on the agenda

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tonight we're seeking your approval to

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submit the application it is a four

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hundred thousand dollar Grant uh the

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first grant program requires the city

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fund to fund the full 400 000 up front

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and then after the Project's done we

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would seek reimbursement for two hundred

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thousand dollars it's sort of a

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one-to-one funding ratio

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um Mr Bill is there any other items that

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we need have I covered everything

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okay so uh it's recommended that city

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council adopt resolution number 4366-23

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okay

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well it's a pleasure of council

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[Music]

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Mr chairman I'll move to approve

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resolution number 4366-2-3

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oh second it

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all right Motion in a second any

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discussion oh Brian did you say is this

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a one-to-one match it is it's uh so the

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state Grant is for 200 000 the city's

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match would be 200 000 okay yes all

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right

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I think that's all I had to be cleared

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up I've

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is the four thousand dollars for the

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preparation is that a standard fee for

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for a new Grant uh yes for our for our

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grant writer to produce that he what he

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will do is if you prepare the grant

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itself submit it but then he'll also dog

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it through the process of addressing any

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type of questions that the state may

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have and then he also assists us on the

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back end once if we are if we get funded

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then he also assists us with the reports

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medals uh our annual report submittals

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after we get the grant okay

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that sounds like money well spent is are

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we going to need to uh notify our

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lobbyists

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for any help with this we usually do uh

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anytime that we submit a grant we also

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let Mr commodity know so that there's

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anything that he can assist with okay

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thank you okay

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Mr Belden I've got a question for you uh

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so I mean we're we're taking 200 000

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basically out of out of our our city

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funds to to take to

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work on these projects this was an area

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that was completely underwater when the

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the hurricane came through well these

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improvements if something like that were

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to happen again with these improvements

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be

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destroyed

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with the improvements to the

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multi-purpose field we're not looking to

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put Bermuda in there we're trying to

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make it a re-leveled surface regrading

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new Turf just providing that safe and

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more usage of a field for like the

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soccer groups our flight football

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program lacrosse teams and possibly you

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know bring that up a little bit but make

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it more level we'll provide that space

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since Shane Kelly and osc are a

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primarily a shutdown facility for our

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contractual youth organizations so then

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the dog park we're trying to put

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elements within it that aren't going to

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be washed away or destroyed through

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future flooding you know knock on wood

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we're not going to get the storm again

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so we're being very cautious with what

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we're you're not going to raise the

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elevation of the surface okay I thought

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I heard that and then with the park

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amenities the park amenities within the

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or around The Pavilions and around the

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facilities they're deteriorated we've

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requested it through our CIP program

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they're rusted out we feel that this

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gives us an opportunity to refurbish

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those amenities picnic tables trash

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receptacles and park benches with a

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multi-purpose field but also Around The

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Pavilions surrounding that Park okay so

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so for the most part I mean the These

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funds are going to something that even

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if it was underwater it when the water

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water receded that it would still be I

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feel that this is uh improving our Parks

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infrastructure perfect in addition to

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improving the facility okay okay all

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right thank you thank you okay if you

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asked pre-asked a lot of a lot of my

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questions uh so that's one of my

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concerns and the other is I like that

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that field is just a free-for-all and

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that it's not formal and that people can

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go and their dogs can use it or anybody

402
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can use it so I'm a little bit hesitant

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to create something that may be rentable

404
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because there's very little space that's

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just free play space and and I I like

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the idea of keeping that free play space

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and if we have to redo our our all the

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stuff that's under The Pavilions anyway

409
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this does seem like a sensible thing so

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a question though if we do get the 200

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thousand dollars and it comes back and

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it turns out that getting the parking

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lots fixed and the other things besides

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formalizing the field and maybe

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formalizing a dog area if it comes in

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lower are we are we allowed to do the

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less than because half off coupon we

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still have to pay the half so I'm

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hesitant to pay more than what what the

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community collectively traditionally if

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we do not expend what we sought after

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then we would just get a less

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reimbursement back from the state okay

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okay perfect

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all right thank you all right

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with a motion on a second all those in

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favor say aye aye

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okay so that passes

429
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okay we have no public hearings

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we have the first reading of the

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ordinances first one up is

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1736

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this Cobb we provide a brief

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introduction we need the attorney first

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resolution audio ordinance all right

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Mr Deputy Mayor if we could I

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resolution 43 58 23 I mentioned it prior

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to the meeting that we may need to move

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that up to public hearings the item does

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require a public hearing so I was

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wondering if we could move that item and

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do that now under public hearings rather

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than waiting until resolutions to do

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that item there was a all right and we

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don't need to schedule that

446
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yeah go ahead and do it now the public

447
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hearing has already been advertised and

448
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noticed all the notice requirements have

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been fulfilled it it was just something

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that happened when when it was being

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input into the system uh there is a

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there is a check box for public hearing

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I have a feeling what happened was

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public comment got got checked under

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resolutions you get two choices public

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hearing or public comment I think you

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get the public comment got checked and

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so it went down into the resolution

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section of the agenda but if we could do

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that now as a public hearing and I would

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need you to actually open and close the

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public hearing as part of this

463
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okay so we will open a public hearing

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here for resolution number 43 58-22

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street light assessment rate

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which is item number 14. so if anybody

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in the audience is looking at an agenda

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sheet item 14 just moved to sort of like

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it's in between 10 and 11. so it's 10A

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Mrs Ross can you read my title only

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a resolution of the city of Oviedo

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Florida relating to the delivery and

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funding of Street lighting services

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within the city amending ratifying and

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confirming the final rate resolution for

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fiscal year

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2023-2024 determining that that certain

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real property is specially benefited by

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Street lighting Services approving the

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assessment role providing the method of

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collection and providing for

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implementing administrative actions

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scrivener's errors conflict separability

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and effective date

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this cop can give us a brief

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introduction yes thank you Deputy Mayor

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I ever since we instituted the street

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Life program one of the requirements of

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the state statute is that every year we

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need to recertify the tax roll and the

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reason we need to do that is because

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every year we have new people moving

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into the City and so it is what the

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statute says is that you have to provide

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notice to anyone who is receiving this

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for the first time so any new residents

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have to be have to receive a notice and

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so what what we have to do is part of

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that process is that we have to

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recertify the tax roll that's what this

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resolution does it re-certifies the tax

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roll for the coming year and then it

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also maintains the uh

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the fee at the 78 dollars and uh

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13 cents yeah 78 and 13 cents it

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re-adops the the fee as well so there's

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no change in the fee this year and uh

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but that's what this pretty much is is a

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recertification of the tax roll for the

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impact for the street light district and

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so it's recommended that you conduct a

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public hearing and adopt resolution

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number 4358-23

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okay

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yes sir I'll make a motion to uh adopt

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resolution

517
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4358-23 oh we've got to do public

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hearing questions yeah

519
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okay so no it's okay

520
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I have no written requests obviously for

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this is there anybody in the audience

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that wish to speak on the subject

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and by not trying to do a fake head Bob

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okay I will close the public record or

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public comment

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what is the pleasure at councils

527
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Mr chair I'll make a motion to approve

528
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adopt resolution number 4358-23

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second all right I have a motion in a

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any discussion

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yeah I just Brian as far as the street

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light uh

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count we set that up to pay the electric

534
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bill and then to do improvements are we

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are we on schedule for all the

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improvements that we've planned I

537
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believe we are I mean the fee pays for

538
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what the fee does it pays for the

539
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maintenance Leasing and the electricity

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for all of our street lights and it also

541
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has some money set aside for Capital

542
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and the city has been very aggressive

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over the past few years in getting

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retrofitted into the different

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neighborhoods uh the most recent one was

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where we were operating in Alafaya woods

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and Twin Rivers was the big retrofit

548
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there and we also did the we couldn't

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install the lighting up on the North

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side of Lockwood Boulevard

551
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as far as I know as we mentioned in our

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staff report

553
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we still need to do Lockwood South

554
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and that's that's another retrofit on

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the Lockwood South and then looking at

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doing some

557
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,159
conversions in the Oviedo on the Park

558
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:11,520
area to go to uh to get every all of the

559
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,620
lights to the

560
00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:15,539
um LED because some of the lights in the

561
00:26:15,539 --> 00:26:17,220
video on the park aren't LEDs we need to

562
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:19,080
get them get them all to LEDs so those

563
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,220
are two of the projects that we need to

564
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:21,720
do we're still going to be looking at

565
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,240
areas where we don't have lighting so

566
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,140
that we can fill in and but we're doing

567
00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:31,320
it as the um as we have you know Capital

568
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,840
funds available for us to do it uh

569
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,760
thankfully uh

570
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,159
FPL was great right out of the box they

571
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:39,720
did the East Side they retrofitted the

572
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,539
east side of town everything went to LED

573
00:26:42,539 --> 00:26:44,640
um and Duke took a little bit longer but

574
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,799
now Duke actually has a program similar

575
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,179
to

576
00:26:48,179 --> 00:26:48,960
um

577
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,260
uh Florida FPL they have a similar

578
00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:55,140
program now and so even though the Duke

579
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:57,480
retrofits crossed a little bit more they

580
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,640
don't cost as much as with initially was

581
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,500
quoted to us so it's easier for us to do

582
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:03,659
retrofits in the Duke neighborhoods now

583
00:27:03,659 --> 00:27:06,179
as well so yeah I think we are I think

584
00:27:06,179 --> 00:27:07,679
we're right on schedule in getting

585
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:09,840
getting the different uh upgrades as

586
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,179
well as doing new new capital items okay

587
00:27:12,179 --> 00:27:13,740
are we

588
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:16,080
solvent as far as you know I look at my

589
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,120
electric bill every month and it's way

590
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,559
higher than it was last year do we have

591
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,659
enough funds to pay the electric bill oh

592
00:27:21,659 --> 00:27:23,340
yes I mean that that is for that is

593
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:24,779
first the you know like I said

594
00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:27,059
maintenance Leasing and electricity

595
00:27:27,059 --> 00:27:28,559
those are the very first that's the top

596
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,419
priorities with this fund it's

597
00:27:30,419 --> 00:27:32,039
whatever's left over is how much we have

598
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,380
for capital okay thanks

599
00:27:34,380 --> 00:27:37,130
okay

600
00:27:37,140 --> 00:27:39,840
I'm good you would but I do have I want

601
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,159
to make sure everybody in the room knows

602
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:42,659
what's going on because we've got a lot

603
00:27:42,659 --> 00:27:43,980
of young people who it's probably their

604
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:45,419
their first time hearing about this so

605
00:27:45,419 --> 00:27:46,980
what we're talking about is who pays for

606
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:48,539
the street lights are y'all following

607
00:27:48,539 --> 00:27:49,380
this

608
00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:53,700
so there is a line on the tax bill

609
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,940
for paying 78 dollars or something like

610
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:59,039
that we pay for electricity we actually

611
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,880
rent a lot of the the power poles uh and

612
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,679
then you know we can put new ones in

613
00:28:04,679 --> 00:28:07,380
different ways and sometimes we own them

614
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:08,700
so the new ones we're putting in we're

615
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:10,080
trying to own so we don't have to pay

616
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,480
rent on power poles every single month

617
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,419
so that's what we're voting on today is

618
00:28:15,419 --> 00:28:18,840
not the 78 dollar fee but whether we

619
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,380
agree that the tax roll is correct and

620
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:26,039
what the tax roll is is the list of each

621
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:29,340
property in Oviedo and who owns it

622
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:31,740
so we're saying we agree that this is

623
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:33,480
who owns each property and we're going

624
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,640
to send them a bill for the right amount

625
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,039
based on the formula that was approved

626
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:40,919
previously like five years ago or so

627
00:28:40,919 --> 00:28:42,900
so it's kind of a complicated thing and

628
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:44,220
we could talk more later about it but I

629
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:45,120
just want to make sure you know we're

630
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,100
talking about lights

631
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:51,610
okay

632
00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:54,059
well we're technically we're not allowed

633
00:28:54,059 --> 00:28:55,799
to do questions in public comments but

634
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:56,880
after the meeting if you can stick

635
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,100
around or email one of us yep

636
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,380
okay so I have a motion in a second what

637
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:03,419
is the favor of council

638
00:29:03,419 --> 00:29:07,020
oh I'm sorry oh those in favor say aye

639
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:08,880
aye aye opposed

640
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,860
okay

641
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:12,659
stumbling along here

642
00:29:12,659 --> 00:29:14,400
thank you deputy mayor for accommodating

643
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,409
us on that we appreciate it

644
00:29:18,419 --> 00:29:21,120
okay next up we have

645
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,200
ordinances

646
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,850
[Music]

647
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:31,140
and the ordinance we have up here we're

648
00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:34,500
in 1736 Mr Ross we read the orange by

649
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,620
title only

650
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:39,779
[Music]

651
00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:43,799
map of approximately 13.81 acres of land

652
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,159
generally located approximately 476 feet

653
00:29:47,159 --> 00:29:49,380
south of Winter Springs Boulevard and

654
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:52,020
approximately 150 feet west of West

655
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:54,360
Broadway street from Office commercial

656
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,720
OC to residential R3 providing for

657
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,000
conflict separability codification as

658
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,559
well as the correction and scrivener's

659
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,020
errors and an effective date

660
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:05,279
thank you

661
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:06,840
this cobby gave us a brief introduction

662
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,179
yes thank you Deputy Mayor all right

663
00:30:09,179 --> 00:30:11,340
this is a zoning map Amendment and so

664
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:13,380
we're City councils asked to change the

665
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:16,200
zoning of the property from Office

666
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,980
commercial to R3 residential uh the

667
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:21,840
applicant is proposing to construct

668
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,159
multi-family residential on the property

669
00:30:25,159 --> 00:30:27,779
multi-family residential is not a

670
00:30:27,779 --> 00:30:29,340
permissible use within the current

671
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,980
zoning classification and Madeline can

672
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:34,320
you pull up the maps for us and so we

673
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,899
can see this is basic the the location

674
00:30:36,899 --> 00:30:38,940
if you only you'll need there we go this

675
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:40,260
is the location of the property it's

676
00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:41,640
obviously it's located south of Winter

677
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,320
Springs Boulevard West of State Route

678
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,940
426 and north of ovina ball Boulevard

679
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:49,500
its primary access is the new Sugar Mill

680
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,419
Road that's being currently developed by

681
00:30:51,419 --> 00:30:53,940
by the dwell I don't think we could go

682
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:55,620
on to the next one there we go thank you

683
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:57,179
all right the properties feature land

684
00:30:57,179 --> 00:31:00,299
use designation is the newly created

685
00:31:00,299 --> 00:31:01,640
West Gate

686
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,679
designation and the thing about it is

687
00:31:04,679 --> 00:31:05,760
that when you have a zoning

688
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,559
classification zoning classification the

689
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,360
very first thing you ask is is it

690
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,679
consistent with the future land use

691
00:31:10,679 --> 00:31:13,559
designation the OC zoning designation is

692
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:17,039
not and so uh one of the requests one of

693
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,659
the reasons that the applicant is

694
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:21,419
requesting the change to R3 is so the R3

695
00:31:21,419 --> 00:31:24,600
is a zoning classification that is

696
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,520
consistent with the properties future

697
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,559
land use designation

698
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,659
manual because the next one all right

699
00:31:30,659 --> 00:31:32,220
one of the other things that you look at

700
00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:34,320
as well is uh is the zoning

701
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,520
classification compatible with

702
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,860
surrounding area well you can see to the

703
00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:39,659
South you've got PUD you've also got

704
00:31:39,659 --> 00:31:41,700
some OC and you've got commercial C2 are

705
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:45,059
surrounding uh this property and so one

706
00:31:45,059 --> 00:31:46,440
of the things about the arts for the

707
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,360
examine district is that it can be used

708
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,059
as a buffer area for between residential

709
00:31:51,059 --> 00:31:54,600
and Commercial areas so the the R3

710
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,520
zoning district is compatible Madeleine

711
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,200
if you'll go to the next next map you'll

712
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
see the R3 zoning District actually is

713
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,120
compatible with the surrounding area

714
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,740
with the surrounding zoning Districts

715
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:06,659
The third question you ask is is the

716
00:32:06,659 --> 00:32:09,360
permissible use is compatible with the

717
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,980
surrounding zoning districts and if you

718
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:13,919
think about the the applicant is

719
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:15,779
proposing to construct multi-family on

720
00:32:15,779 --> 00:32:18,120
the property there's multi-family to the

721
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,220
South already that's being constructed

722
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:22,620
in it's also compatible with the

723
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:24,419
commercial that is to the East and to

724
00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:27,720
the north and so yes the staff in their

725
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,720
analysis did find that the the proposed

726
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,059
uses within the R3 zoning District are

727
00:32:33,059 --> 00:32:36,419
compatible with the surrounding area

728
00:32:36,419 --> 00:32:38,700
and so those those are the basic when

729
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,380
you're looking at a zoning map Amendment

730
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:42,059
those are the basic tenets that you look

731
00:32:42,059 --> 00:32:45,120
at are whether or not to recommend

732
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,159
approval obviously the staff they their

733
00:32:47,159 --> 00:32:49,620
findings are presented in the supporting

734
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:52,080
data inventory and Analysis uh they

735
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,779
recommend approval of ordinance not 1736

736
00:32:54,779 --> 00:32:56,960
uh based on the findings in their report

737
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,640
the local planning agency conducted a

738
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,820
public hearing on Tuesday August 1st and

739
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,799
recommended approval recommended

740
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:06,299
adoption of the ordinance there was

741
00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:08,220
concern expressed during their public

742
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:11,279
hearing about the connection to oviedo's

743
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,740
to Winter Springs Boulevard which we are

744
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:15,720
currently going through addressing with

745
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,659
our Mobility plan

746
00:33:17,659 --> 00:33:19,980
tonight it's recommended that the city

747
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:21,659
council

748
00:33:21,659 --> 00:33:23,700
schedule of public hearing for September

749
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,700
the 7th 2023.

750
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,500
great thank you

751
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,720
is the applicant present

752
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,330
would you like to say a few words

753
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:37,760
my name is David axle axle real estate

754
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,240
1757 West Broadway Street Oviedo and as

755
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,120
this is just first reading I won't make

756
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,820
any comments I am here to ask answer any

757
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:49,200
questions and if there's any public

758
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,419
comment to address that so I ask that

759
00:33:51,419 --> 00:33:52,740
you proceed and schedule the public

760
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:56,990
hearing for the next meeting thank you

761
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,100
we did have one written request which we

762
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,260
already did is there anybody else that

763
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:03,419
did not send a written request at one to

764
00:34:03,419 --> 00:34:06,889
speak on the subject

765
00:34:06,899 --> 00:34:08,339
CNN

766
00:34:08,339 --> 00:34:10,859
move on

767
00:34:10,859 --> 00:34:13,500
what is the pleasure of council

768
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:15,599
Mr chair yes I'll make a motion to

769
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,280
schedule a public hearing for September

770
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,500
7th 2023.

771
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,020
second all right I have a motion and a

772
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:24,000
second any discussion

773
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,050
um Mr axel

774
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:33,000
the 557 dwelling units is that is that

775
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,500
what's being proposed

776
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,440
So today we're just doing zoning and as

777
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,460
part of that process you have to project

778
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:44,580
a certain amount and compare it to the

779
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:45,780
prior use

780
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:48,780
so we attempted to use maximum but it

781
00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:51,659
came out slightly lower because as we

782
00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:53,520
were working through the application we

783
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,639
got new Wetland surveys so I would

784
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,920
venture to say there's there's some

785
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
slight difference in the I think the

786
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,119
third set of numbers from the second set

787
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,880
of numbers what's likely to occur but

788
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,820
it's part of the site approval is less

789
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,520
than half this amount but today we're

790
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,339
just here about the zoning and we also

791
00:35:14,339 --> 00:35:17,339
had to apply for school capacity so the

792
00:35:17,339 --> 00:35:19,619
analysis had to be done on a number and

793
00:35:19,619 --> 00:35:21,900
we tried to use the 50 units per acre

794
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,880
that the land use allows and there was a

795
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,380
little snafu in the math that's all

796
00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:27,480
right does that answer the question yes

797
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,740
thank you

798
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:30,240
okay

799
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,400
any further discussion

800
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,960
well there there's a couple of things

801
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,540
that bug me about this and none of them

802
00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:38,780
can we do anything about

803
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:41,180
we do not control

804
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:44,820
where students are zoned to go to school

805
00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:47,700
that is exclusively the jurisdiction of

806
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:49,020
the school board

807
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:51,660
so it really bugs me that there's no

808
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:54,540
capacity for these students to go

809
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:56,460
without a bus to Lawton Elementary and

810
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:57,599
that they would probably have to be

811
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,000
buzzed pretty far but we can't say no on

812
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,260
account of that and we're not saying yes

813
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:04,920
or no at all today so just as a matter

814
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,420
of procedure for all the people in the

815
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:09,119
room you're hearing stuff about like hey

816
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,140
should we build allow somebody to build

817
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:14,280
550-something Apartments well why aren't

818
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,839
we voting on that what we're doing is

819
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,420
voting to have a second hearing to vote

820
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:20,820
about it at another later time

821
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:22,740
and we had one person come and speak out

822
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:24,119
against it so there will be one more

823
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:25,859
chance only one more chance for the

824
00:36:25,859 --> 00:36:28,560
public to come and and express concern

825
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,079
and we've got some pretty high bars to

826
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,780
overcome because there's this thing it's

827
00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:35,400
like the constitution of land use called

828
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,740
the comprehensive plan and the current

829
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:41,760
zoning has to be compatible with that so

830
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,940
the constitution of land use says it has

831
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:47,820
to be something other than what it is

832
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:50,280
so the landowner came and said hey we

833
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,500
want to make it something that matches

834
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:56,339
what's allowed so we're we're going to

835
00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:58,560
have a quasi-judicial hearing where we

836
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,560
kind of act like a court next month so

837
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,780
come back for the stunning conclusion to

838
00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:05,579
all of this because all we're voting on

839
00:37:05,579 --> 00:37:08,760
today is whether to have a hearing a

840
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,240
second hearing on this next month so all

841
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,560
these vote like you're hearing all these

842
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,940
votes and we're voting on these really

843
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:17,880
obscure technical things so hopefully

844
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,560
you're kind of catching on to some of

845
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,780
that but I want to make sure

846
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,579
everybody knows that

847
00:37:23,579 --> 00:37:25,320
very good so we have a motion in a

848
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,560
second all those in favor say aye aye

849
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,500
opposed all right so that was not a vote

850
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,720
to allow the apartments that was a vote

851
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:46,730
to have a second hearing

852
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:48,780
okay next up we have ordinance number

853
00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:51,599
1737

854
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:55,730
Ross can you read that by title only

855
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:58,680
an ordinance of the city of Oviedo

856
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,599
Florida pertaining to the use of golf

857
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,119
carts upon designated roads within the

858
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,099
city of Oviedo subject to specified

859
00:38:05,099 --> 00:38:07,380
restrictions and the provisions of state

860
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:09,839
law providing for legislative purposes

861
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,119
findings and intent providing for

862
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,920
definitions providing for the

863
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,320
designation and prohibition of roads and

864
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,880
the potential addition of Roads

865
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,579
providing for authorized means of

866
00:38:20,579 --> 00:38:23,339
Youth and prohibited and unlawful means

867
00:38:23,339 --> 00:38:26,339
of use providing for signage only as may

868
00:38:26,339 --> 00:38:28,980
be required by state law providing for

869
00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:31,079
enforcement penalties and collections

870
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:32,579
providing for implementing

871
00:38:32,579 --> 00:38:34,460
administrative action

872
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:36,599
providing for a savings provision

873
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:38,940
providing for conflicts providing for

874
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:41,220
severability providing for codification

875
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:43,260
as well as the correction of scrivener's

876
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:44,880
errors in providing for an effective

877
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,900
date

878
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:48,420
thank you Mr kyleby give us a brief uh

879
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:50,040
introduction all right thank you Deputy

880
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,839
American yes the council has asked to

881
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:52,980
adopt what we call the golf cart

882
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:55,260
ordinance and what this will do this

883
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:57,780
ordinance establishes that golf carts

884
00:38:57,780 --> 00:39:00,359
will be permissible forms of

885
00:39:00,359 --> 00:39:04,200
Transportation on on city streets that

886
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:04,740
um

887
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:07,859
have a posted speed limit of less than

888
00:39:07,859 --> 00:39:10,619
30 miles per hour or less

889
00:39:10,619 --> 00:39:15,540
I it also establishes that the golf

890
00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:17,640
carts can only be operated on the

891
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,460
roadways that are designated and but

892
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:22,680
they cannot be performed operated on

893
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,680
state or County roadways unless they are

894
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,500
crossing at a signalized intersection

895
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,900
there are some streets that we did say

896
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,880
yes they can't be used on they're mainly

897
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,060
our primary roadways uh I know it was

898
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:37,859
mentioned about Chapman Road Chapman

899
00:39:37,859 --> 00:39:40,500
Road East which is a local Street and

900
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,200
has a speed limit of 25 it's eligible

901
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,300
it's Chapman Road West that goes from

902
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,599
434 to 426 which is four lanes and has a

903
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,480
speed limit of 40 that we said no don't

904
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,359
operate on that one so

905
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:55,020
um

906
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:57,900
I remember that was mentioned as well

907
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,960
and so we also have requirements that

908
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,359
you need to have a driver's license or a

909
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:04,560
learner's permit

910
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,260
and that the if you do have a learner's

911
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:08,400
permit then you have to have somebody

912
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,339
who is 21 or older and has a driver's

913
00:40:11,339 --> 00:40:13,200
license sitting next to you while

914
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,000
operating the um

915
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,460
operating the golf cart golf carts also

916
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:19,079
if you to be operated on private

917
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,000
property they have to have the owner's

918
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,619
permission to be operated on the private

919
00:40:22,619 --> 00:40:24,960
property and that they are not operate

920
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,760
authorized to be operating on the

921
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,220
sidewalks or the bicycle pass or the

922
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:32,040
trails our Trails have regulations that

923
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,420
you can't put a motorized vehicle on

924
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:35,339
them unless it's like the county doing

925
00:40:35,339 --> 00:40:38,880
maintenance on it so tonight is the

926
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,820
first reading of the ordinance and it is

927
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:43,380
recommended that the city council

928
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,119
schedule public hearing for September

929
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,400
the 7th 2023.

930
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,260
okay

931
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:51,660
we had the one written request already

932
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:54,000
speak uh is there anyone who did not

933
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,550
turn a request that would like to speak

934
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,380
okay seeing none we will move on

935
00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:03,420
what is the pleasure our Council Mr

936
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:06,000
chair yes I'll make a motion to schedule

937
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,859
a public hearing for ordinance number

938
00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:12,060
1737 on September 7th 2023

939
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,579
second okay Motion in a second any

940
00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:15,780
discussion

941
00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:19,800
now we can save it for September 7th

942
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,599
I think we should not save it for

943
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,520
September 7th I had a lot of the same

944
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,560
concerns as Mr shank has already brought

945
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,859
up and I I don't fully understand how

946
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:31,200
what we are doing is any different from

947
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,619
the state level law other than the state

948
00:41:34,619 --> 00:41:36,119
level law did mention that we have to

949
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,700
designate certain roads as safe like it

950
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,619
seems like we can designate additional

951
00:41:40,619 --> 00:41:42,540
roads and safe Beyond

952
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,060
what the state law says and I'm

953
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,400
scrolling through because I asked a

954
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,079
couple of yes no questions related to

955
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:50,460
this item and I'm scrolling through just

956
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:52,380
to make sure that I understood some of

957
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:55,980
the the questions how they were answered

958
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:58,440
and so Madam mayor I was the one that

959
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,240
that brought this this subject up

960
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,400
initially and the the reason I brought

961
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,820
this up was because it's very difficult

962
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:08,400
to register a golf cart you have to get

963
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,260
a VIN number

964
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:12,180
um you you know basically what this

965
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:15,660
ordinance is doing is

966
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:18,079
putting all the same state level

967
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,640
standards correct me if I'm wrong Chief

968
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,140
but it's basically putting all the same

969
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,060
state level standards on the golf cart

970
00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:26,520
with the exception of actually having to

971
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,760
get that VIN number and you know to to

972
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,740
get a license tag number so instead of

973
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:34,740
getting a tag for it you get a you you

974
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:38,940
get the the city you know permit for it

975
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:41,640
but it's basically the same thing

976
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,500
without having to spend all the money on

977
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,599
getting the VIN number and everything

978
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,240
we are taking on the city would be taken

979
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:49,859
on all of the safety checks all of the

980
00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:52,020
everything else it seems like it we're

981
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:54,180
biting off an awful lot and the state

982
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:55,320
already

983
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,260
kind of volunteers to do that for us

984
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:04,309
yeah

985
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:04,859
um

986
00:43:04,859 --> 00:43:07,319
uh councilmember you're pretty close on

987
00:43:07,319 --> 00:43:09,660
that we followed the state statute on

988
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:11,760
what a low-speed vehicle would be we

989
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,220
added a few things one of them statute

990
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:16,440
was just changed to require a driver's

991
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,880
license uh for somebody over the age of

992
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,400
our learner's permit we incorporate that

993
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,560
early on because basically we want

994
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,240
somebody to have some Driving Experience

995
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,520
preferably a driver it also prevents

996
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,640
somebody who may have a DUI and not have

997
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,200
a driver's license they they cannot

998
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,579
drive one of these on the city streets

999
00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:36,540
as well

1000
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:39,599
uh uh we incorporated a few more

1001
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,000
safety features I would call it uh like

1002
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,220
if you have small children we require or

1003
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:48,720
improved child carrier per child animals

1004
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,520
should be securely fastened we'll leave

1005
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,079
that up to the owner but if we do

1006
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,900
require them to be

1007
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:57,119
restrained securely it doesn't require

1008
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,099
registration if you're going to drive it

1009
00:43:59,099 --> 00:44:00,500
at night you got to have lights

1010
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,839
headlamps and things of that nature so

1011
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:05,700
it is very similar to the low speed

1012
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:07,859
vehicle but as you said it does not

1013
00:44:07,859 --> 00:44:09,500
require

1014
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:11,880
somebody to have to take it to the DMV

1015
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,640
to get it registered and inspect it

1016
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,380
we're going to require them to do their

1017
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:17,819
own Inspections just like you do your

1018
00:44:17,819 --> 00:44:21,060
own motor vehicle uh you know used to we

1019
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:22,380
did inspections in Florida if you've

1020
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:23,760
been here long enough but we don't do

1021
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,800
that anymore you basically ascertain

1022
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,740
your vehicle is roadworthy and if it's

1023
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:30,660
not we stop you we could you can be

1024
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:33,140
cited for it as well the same thing here

1025
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:35,940
if you're either there'll be a check off

1026
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:38,160
list that you you'll attest to that you

1027
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,000
have this equipment and uh and we'll

1028
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,560
we'll go in good faith that that's what

1029
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,060
you have and if you're seeing driving

1030
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:48,060
without it you could be cited well

1031
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,579
um get prohibited on sidewalks same same

1032
00:44:50,579 --> 00:44:53,220
rules apply as the lbv or low speed

1033
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:55,380
Vehicles no sidewalks has to be on the

1034
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:56,940
streets it has to be under 30 miles an

1035
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:57,780
hour

1036
00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:59,400
so

1037
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,040
do we have a a number in mind for what

1038
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,380
we would charge people to get this

1039
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:05,760
thing that lets them not have to get

1040
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,480
event that's not my uh area I don't know

1041
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,220
I don't have a number no but uh I

1042
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:14,760
figured that would be figured on after

1043
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,099
everyone once the ordinance or at a

1044
00:45:17,099 --> 00:45:20,819
later time Chief I I see golf carts all

1045
00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:22,560
over my neighborhood how are you

1046
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,440
enforcing the rules on those

1047
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,599
uh we're not we're not going to be we're

1048
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:28,980
not heavy-handed on them because

1049
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:31,619
basically uh you're right most

1050
00:45:31,619 --> 00:45:33,300
neighborhoods they're in them I don't

1051
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:34,579
know of a neighborhood that you're not

1052
00:45:34,579 --> 00:45:36,839
uh and people a lot of people just

1053
00:45:36,839 --> 00:45:39,119
assume they are legal and this makes it

1054
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,400
legitimate otherwise right now it's

1055
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,660
state statutes and it's actually

1056
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:44,220
criminal in some cases where if you're

1057
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:46,440
letting a 14 year old driver unlicensed

1058
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,900
motorized vehicle on a roadway that is a

1059
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,599
criminal offense and I don't think any

1060
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,579
parent needs to have that you know

1061
00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:55,859
allegation to charge to them so we do a

1062
00:45:55,859 --> 00:45:57,240
lot of warning a lot of warning but like

1063
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:59,640
most times parents don't always listen

1064
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,740
to uh to the direction

1065
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:03,900
this makes it an easier path to get that

1066
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:05,339
done so they don't have the argument

1067
00:46:05,339 --> 00:46:08,220
that council member Pollock said where I

1068
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:09,839
don't I don't have time I don't have the

1069
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:11,220
effort to go get it registered at the

1070
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:13,260
DMV I don't know you know get a VIN

1071
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:16,020
number for it so this makes it a much

1072
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:17,520
easier process it's coming through

1073
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,839
getting getting the registration and

1074
00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:23,400
playing it on but applying it to the

1075
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,329
golf cart

1076
00:46:26,339 --> 00:46:30,060
and the city gets fees for this as

1077
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:35,400
opposed to if DMV the DMV soon

1078
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,040
keep this one last thing in the uh in

1079
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,839
the staff report talked about uh the

1080
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,940
traffic surveys that were done um we're

1081
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:43,319
here to one resident that was asking

1082
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:44,640
about that is that coming from the

1083
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,220
Planning Group in the traffic studies do

1084
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:49,020
you know about the traffic studies

1085
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:51,180
uh the

1086
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:53,579
we don't have a defined traffic study we

1087
00:46:53,579 --> 00:46:55,619
looked at traffic studies there's

1088
00:46:55,619 --> 00:46:58,020
traffic places that have done the same

1089
00:46:58,020 --> 00:46:59,579
thing we've reached out to them in

1090
00:46:59,579 --> 00:47:01,380
several of the Cities Stanford's a good

1091
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:03,599
example uh how well is their program

1092
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,400
working what do they have problems with

1093
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
and and several other jurisdictions I

1094
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,540
think DeBerry was either looking at it

1095
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:11,819
or now has it and looking at what would

1096
00:47:11,819 --> 00:47:14,280
what do they recommend and every one of

1097
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,020
them said you know keep them in

1098
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:18,240
basically the neighborhoods are off off

1099
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,560
busy thrower Affairs even if you can and

1100
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,079
you know nobody's had any major issues

1101
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,359
like any other motorized vehicle if you

1102
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:28,800
got the wrong person driving it bad

1103
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,780
things can happen but they're generally

1104
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:32,339
a little bit more cognizant of the

1105
00:47:32,339 --> 00:47:34,380
vehicles around them because one they're

1106
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:36,060
open air you know and they're not

1107
00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:37,800
they're not they're able to hear

1108
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,300
everything but they're also know that

1109
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:40,800
they're the smaller it's kind of like

1110
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,540
being a bicyclist on the road I think

1111
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:44,280
you could relate to that you pay a lot

1112
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,180
more attention to what's going around

1113
00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:47,280
you than you do if you're the the the

1114
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,099
truck on the road like a Dodge truck or

1115
00:47:50,099 --> 00:47:51,960
something you know on the roads

1116
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,020
uh and and so they not really had

1117
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:57,839
anywhere we found of any major there's

1118
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,040
always going to be the crash there's

1119
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,660
always going to be somebody that did

1120
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:02,760
something but as a general rule they

1121
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,460
provided a pretty safe Avenue to

1122
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:07,319
transport around town

1123
00:48:07,319 --> 00:48:10,440
I guess one last question on on the

1124
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,880
and it's a great point about having

1125
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,740
underage kids that drive drive the

1126
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:16,079
vehicles I do see it you know in similar

1127
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:17,819
neighborhoods that I go through I guess

1128
00:48:17,819 --> 00:48:19,980
my question would be obviously we'll do

1129
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,540
whatever you can you know once we get

1130
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:23,579
past a hearing if it does pass us to

1131
00:48:23,579 --> 00:48:25,619
communicate it but not everybody sees

1132
00:48:25,619 --> 00:48:27,720
the communications those individuals

1133
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:29,099
that are pulled over the first time is

1134
00:48:29,099 --> 00:48:31,680
it a warning is it a citation right away

1135
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,720
I mean how do you handle the underage

1136
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,119
kids that are driving them the underages

1137
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,280
have a a conversation with the parents

1138
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,520
and say look this is the warning it's

1139
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,839
going to get very expensive if you

1140
00:48:42,839 --> 00:48:44,460
continue this on we're trying to keep

1141
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:47,180
your kids safe in the neighborhood safe

1142
00:48:47,180 --> 00:48:49,200
they're not allowed because most of the

1143
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,700
time they're with their friends and

1144
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:53,040
they're driving generally on the

1145
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,780
sidewalk right you know what I would

1146
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:56,400
consider recklessly but not maybe you're

1147
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,380
a hazard to health but a hazard to

1148
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:00,420
everybody else we're not going to be

1149
00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:01,859
tolerant of it I can tell you that we'll

1150
00:49:01,859 --> 00:49:04,020
try to get compliance first but if it

1151
00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:05,400
shows that we've we've been out with

1152
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,160
them before they'll probably get cited

1153
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,619
and um and see where it goes from there

1154
00:49:10,619 --> 00:49:11,819
okay

1155
00:49:11,819 --> 00:49:13,560
thank you and you have one more question

1156
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,740
back in 2017 we adopted a golf cart

1157
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:18,660
ordinance and my understanding is not a

1158
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:20,880
single person registered so it sends it

1159
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,940
automatically what

1160
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:27,420
is different now that we think people

1161
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:29,940
will register I mean unless we're really

1162
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:31,260
going to push the registering people

1163
00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:32,579
will continue just to drive the golf

1164
00:49:32,579 --> 00:49:35,460
carts as they have since 2017. we will

1165
00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:37,020
probably start an education process

1166
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:38,760
where if we see golf carts on the road

1167
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,260
that aren't registered we'll stop them

1168
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:41,339
and inform them they need to be

1169
00:49:41,339 --> 00:49:43,680
registered it would be a citable offense

1170
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,260
again much a very expensive citation

1171
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:49,440
because that's a state citation

1172
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,380
um and to gain the compliance the other

1173
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:55,020
thing is then it was only on the east

1174
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:57,599
side of Lockwood so effectively if you

1175
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:58,500
weren't

1176
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,119
uh you didn't live in the golf course

1177
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,880
half of Twin Rivers it was not useful to

1178
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,640
you but you couldn't you couldn't go go

1179
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,400
anywhere but there but if you're in Mead

1180
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,980
Manor you can go all of mead Manor you

1181
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:12,660
know your sub like Live Oak as an

1182
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:15,060
example they could go up to Publix are

1183
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:16,980
you saying with a new proposal correct

1184
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:18,660
okay because my understanding is they

1185
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:20,400
can go beyond that you can go as far as

1186
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,319
your battery will take you or your I

1187
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:23,579
guess you could get a gas powered golf

1188
00:50:23,579 --> 00:50:25,859
cart as far as there's a 30 mile an hour

1189
00:50:25,859 --> 00:50:27,660
correct exactly you're like you can't go

1190
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:29,640
down Lockwood so anybody Twin Rivers

1191
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,839
going could not drive down the window

1192
00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:33,839
but you can Crossroads correct you had a

1193
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:35,460
signalized intersection

1194
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:38,160
so that that's that's okay and the

1195
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,480
reason is that's the safest way to cross

1196
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,760
the street so there are boundaries so

1197
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,380
you can go only within your neighborhood

1198
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:45,420
and then once you hit 419 you're out of

1199
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:47,460
luck correct you can't just go alongside

1200
00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:50,940
it unless and until we are able to build

1201
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:53,640
a golf cart so there's a pathway to get

1202
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,940
there legally okay we looked at every

1203
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:58,980
subdivision and see how far they could

1204
00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:00,720
go

1205
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,180
um legally even if they had to go way

1206
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:06,839
around you know you know a big circle to

1207
00:51:06,839 --> 00:51:08,579
go down and make it legally some

1208
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:11,220
neighborhoods they can go quite far some

1209
00:51:11,220 --> 00:51:12,900
neighborhoods they can't go that far at

1210
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:16,260
all uh it just depends on the

1211
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:19,859
on on what road to borders on okay so as

1212
00:51:19,859 --> 00:51:21,839
long as soon as you hit a 45 or 30 or

1213
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:24,599
higher you're kind of capped out

1214
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,640
so it's you know if there's a signalized

1215
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,160
light they can cross over to another

1216
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,020
Street that's under 30 they can keep

1217
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:33,000
going so and the goal was kind of look

1218
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,160
at Oviedo in the park and see how how

1219
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,020
many people could get to there they had

1220
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:39,359
a golf cart like for instance a meat

1221
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:40,980
Manor is a good example they can get

1222
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:43,020
there you can come down Division Street

1223
00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:45,300
to Oviedo Boulevard uh you know through

1224
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,280
the roundabout crossover 419 at the

1225
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,260
light and make it all the way to Oviedo

1226
00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:50,819
Boulevard I mean all the way to Oviedo

1227
00:51:50,819 --> 00:51:52,319
in the park without

1228
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:55,020
legally if you're in Alafaya Woods you

1229
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:57,119
can get to uh Oviedo on the park because

1230
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,059
you can come down Alexandria to clearly

1231
00:52:00,059 --> 00:52:03,000
to uh to again crossover and you're in

1232
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,260
Oviedo in the park and that's kind of

1233
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:06,720
what the focus point was when we were

1234
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:07,920
looking at it because that's where our

1235
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,680
events are and things so they could make

1236
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,780
it to there not every subdivision is

1237
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:14,040
going to I mean the majority of

1238
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,480
subdivisions can't make it there but as

1239
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,760
many as we could make it there is how we

1240
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,020
were looking at it

1241
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:20,819
thank you okay

1242
00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:22,680
great thank you sir

1243
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,020
all right we had a motion in a second to

1244
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:27,059
schedule a public hearing on September

1245
00:52:27,059 --> 00:52:28,920
7th

1246
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:35,569
all those in favor say aye aye

1247
00:52:35,579 --> 00:52:38,700
moving on to resolutions we are on

1248
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,640
resolution

1249
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,619
4364-23 there's a Cobb we provide a

1250
00:52:43,619 --> 00:52:45,780
brief introduction uh yes thank you

1251
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:49,319
Deputy Mayor actually Dr Correa is going

1252
00:52:49,319 --> 00:52:51,599
to provide the staff presentation for

1253
00:52:51,599 --> 00:53:01,790
this item

1254
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,380
good evening mayor Deputy Mayor City

1255
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:07,559
Council Members this is a request for

1256
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,540
the city council to approve an end stud

1257
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:11,640
story development agreement in a master

1258
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,040
land use plan for the Lockwood Village

1259
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,720
shopping center

1260
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,559
all the sea sections 2.5 is 7 and 11

1261
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,319
state that the city council shall have

1262
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:23,780
final

1263
00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:26,880
authority over development agreements in

1264
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,040
muscle induce plan

1265
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:29,640
um

1266
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,400
if we can move to the next step thank

1267
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,140
you so

1268
00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:37,500
um this the subject project property is

1269
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:42,240
approximately 7.7 Acres along this side

1270
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,839
of Lockwood next to the intersection

1271
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:47,780
with Mitchell hammock

1272
00:53:47,780 --> 00:53:50,579
it is uh

1273
00:53:50,579 --> 00:53:53,460
part of the Twin Rivers PUD

1274
00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:55,859
so the future land use is beauty the

1275
00:53:55,859 --> 00:54:00,200
zoning is also PUD and the proposed used

1276
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,359
users are in accordance with the C2

1277
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,300
zoning District

1278
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:09,119
the idea is to create so this is the

1279
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,160
parcel the big part of the shopping

1280
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,380
center where where you have the

1281
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:16,559
Winn-Dixie supermarket and the idea is

1282
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,200
to create two Lots now

1283
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,000
so you have lot one which is the

1284
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,760
remaining shopping center at around

1285
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,260
seven acres

1286
00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:28,440
in log 2 is going to be carved out of

1287
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,839
the Big Lot for a proposed restaurant

1288
00:54:30,839 --> 00:54:33,900
for the Longhorn Restaurant if you can

1289
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:35,700
move to the next one

1290
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,880
so this is the site

1291
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:44,390
if we can click it should show the new

1292
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,780
can you

1293
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:48,839
yeah so this is the the Longhorn

1294
00:54:48,839 --> 00:54:51,000
Restaurant being proposed so it's

1295
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,680
carving out from the big parcel

1296
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,660
the access points remain the same

1297
00:54:57,660 --> 00:55:00,540
and it's just

1298
00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:03,059
um a reorganization of the site

1299
00:55:03,059 --> 00:55:06,420
internally if you can move forward

1300
00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:09,660
so this is the site this is the

1301
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:11,400
um

1302
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,440
we can move forward this is the site

1303
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,619
plan so you have the longhorn now with

1304
00:55:16,619 --> 00:55:20,760
some parking around it so there was just

1305
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,700
the rearrangement of the parking area

1306
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:27,300
moving forward the development agreement

1307
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:29,640
um the entitlements are not being

1308
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,099
changed so they are within the Pud

1309
00:55:32,099 --> 00:55:35,400
parameters that were approved as I said

1310
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,140
the permissible uses are going to be the

1311
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:39,780
ones according to the C2 it's just a

1312
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:42,480
single phase project and the development

1313
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,520
agreement allows for modifications for

1314
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,160
standards to be negotiated while we're

1315
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,660
on this slide can you let us know the

1316
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:50,339
year in which the original development

1317
00:55:50,339 --> 00:55:53,220
agreement was approved

1318
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:58,040
I do know by 19 like 1990 something yeah

1319
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,180
1987. okay thank you I think it's

1320
00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:02,460
rounding there

1321
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:04,740
thank you Mr Kaaba I would not know I

1322
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:06,960
know it's it's been a while but I would

1323
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,540
not know exactly the date the

1324
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:12,960
modifications so for the buffer it's we

1325
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,540
are just so we're keeping the 20 feet

1326
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:18,780
um buffer around but internally between

1327
00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:21,059
the two lots we are excluding the buffer

1328
00:56:21,059 --> 00:56:22,500
requirements because that doesn't would

1329
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,500
not make sense the open space is not

1330
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,839
being reduced so it's still 30 percent

1331
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:30,900
overall in the Pud and actually in this

1332
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:32,700
particular site they are increasing the

1333
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:34,500
open space because they are turning

1334
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:37,140
parking spaces into there is now some

1335
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:38,880
landscape areas so they are increasing

1336
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,980
the open space

1337
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:44,119
um there are some deviations for

1338
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:47,640
landscape islands and

1339
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,400
these are just really minor deviations

1340
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,240
from the code if you can move forward

1341
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,559
um

1342
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,160
the parking size space for the for the

1343
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,520
the whole development is being kept the

1344
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,599
same and the parking

1345
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:09,059
counts has been reduced right because

1346
00:57:09,059 --> 00:57:11,400
now we are creating this restaurant in

1347
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,280
the in the parking lot so what they are

1348
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,520
providing now is 272 parking spaces and

1349
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,319
there is a slide showing you know this

1350
00:57:19,319 --> 00:57:21,359
the the breakdown

1351
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:25,680
the loading the parking space size is

1352
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,900
still the same but the parking space

1353
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:31,260
number is less yeah the size is the the

1354
00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:34,680
is the footprint the footprint so they

1355
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,020
have a weird number which is I think

1356
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,760
it's um

1357
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,140
um

1358
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:45,720
10 by 18. so our our regular 10 by 20

1359
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,460
per code

1360
00:57:47,460 --> 00:57:49,020
in their development agreement they

1361
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,000
already had a different in a difference

1362
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,000
from our code and we are moving because

1363
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,160
we are rewriting the code we are moving

1364
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,859
to the compact which today what is

1365
00:57:58,859 --> 00:58:00,359
considered compact

1366
00:58:00,359 --> 00:58:02,359
which actually is the standard in other

1367
00:58:02,359 --> 00:58:04,920
jurisdictions which is nine it's nine by

1368
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,680
18. so we are keeping the same you know

1369
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,280
the the number for the for lot one lot

1370
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,260
two is proposing I think a different one

1371
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:16,559
but the packing space is the number of

1372
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,559
spaces have been reduced and do they

1373
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,319
still meet the space requirement the

1374
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:24,180
parking requirements I will show the

1375
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:26,819
next led the slide will have a a

1376
00:58:26,819 --> 00:58:29,160
breakdown of those

1377
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,839
um the loading area it's being used for

1378
00:58:32,839 --> 00:58:35,400
the parking space so the loading is

1379
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,220
going to be off hours we are also

1380
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:39,900
removing the requirement because there

1381
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:44,460
is no spillover from lighting and when

1382
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:46,559
you have Parcels but because they are

1383
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,119
internal and they have you know Common

1384
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:51,780
parking spaces and parking lots we a lot

1385
00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:55,920
we are removing those and they have the

1386
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,619
lot too which is longhorn requested an

1387
00:58:58,619 --> 00:59:00,960
allowance of 2.5 square feet of building

1388
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,160
signage for each building Frontage

1389
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,599
with a maximum of six signs

1390
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,260
the lot one which is the remaining

1391
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:15,660
shopping center is going to also have a

1392
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:18,480
tree restoration to kind of restore a

1393
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,980
little bit the side because with the

1394
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:24,119
years some trees are are you know bad

1395
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:26,819
and been replaced Etc so they are going

1396
00:59:26,819 --> 00:59:28,380
to restore

1397
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:32,870
next slide please

1398
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,819
um well the next steps they have a

1399
00:59:35,819 --> 00:59:37,319
non-state story

1400
00:59:37,319 --> 00:59:39,960
um subdivision and they're reviewing a

1401
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,540
site development order uh already under

1402
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:45,119
the under review and the architecture

1403
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:46,920
has already been approved

1404
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,319
there should be a slide for can you move

1405
00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:51,240
forward to see if

1406
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,700
well this is the land LPA

1407
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,920
recommendations we should have one for

1408
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,359
the parking count

1409
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:01,680
no so I can explain the parking count we

1410
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,619
have two numbers we have the number that

1411
01:00:04,619 --> 01:00:07,140
was originally approved which is 300

1412
01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:10,500
parking spaces and then with the new so

1413
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:12,119
what we're doing is that you're removing

1414
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:14,160
parking spaces and putting a restaurant

1415
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,440
a restaurant demands for more parking

1416
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,140
right so the new parking account would

1417
01:00:19,140 --> 01:00:19,880
be

1418
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,160
350 something uh parking spaces that

1419
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,680
would be the new one

1420
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,480
required for the code today

1421
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,780
we are again we are reviewing the code

1422
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:33,359
in the LDC and we are going to be

1423
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,500
reducing those numbers because

1424
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:41,520
usually we over Park you know the the

1425
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,940
the standard to provide for peak days

1426
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:47,520
right for Christmas for days that you

1427
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,440
know there is a lot of demand for

1428
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,920
shopping centers so we are kind of now

1429
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,200
bringing more to reality because you

1430
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,720
know we did not want to have a lot of

1431
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,660
parkings a lot of area designated to

1432
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:01,980
parking spaces

1433
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:05,220
so this what they are providing today

1434
01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:09,839
which is 273 is a 24 deviation for what

1435
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:11,640
the code would require

1436
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,579
and that is I had a slide there for this

1437
01:01:14,579 --> 01:01:15,960
breakdown

1438
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,339
and but it's basically a 24 deviation

1439
01:01:20,339 --> 01:01:24,180
so that is that is the major you know uh

1440
01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:25,920
you know in a way deviation that they

1441
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,900
are requesting from the codes

1442
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:35,040
so with this being two separate lots are

1443
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,720
we going to get into a situation like we

1444
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,220
have over here at Oviedo on the park

1445
01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:41,040
where this is their parking and this is

1446
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,720
their part no it's a shared parking

1447
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,460
agreement so they have cross access

1448
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:46,680
easements in a shared parking agreement

1449
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,559
that's part of the development agreement

1450
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:51,540
so everybody can park anywhere

1451
01:01:51,540 --> 01:01:53,760
there isn't a longhorn

1452
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,280
you know specific parking and there

1453
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:03,530
isn't the rest you know

1454
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:05,760
you're welcome

1455
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,859
I do have uh two written requests to

1456
01:02:07,859 --> 01:02:15,589
speak the first one is Mr de Matteo

1457
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:19,849
please state your name and your address

1458
01:02:19,859 --> 01:02:23,040
yes I'm loud thank you Council Connor

1459
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,220
demateo 1009 Pearson Drive Oviedo

1460
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:28,079
Florida

1461
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,299
council members I am speaking and Mike

1462
01:02:30,299 --> 01:02:33,180
sassy as a citizen now unrelated to Cafe

1463
01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:35,940
panuzos I often talk about the need for

1464
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:37,799
prioritizing infrastructure over

1465
01:02:37,799 --> 01:02:40,260
development to allow for the smart and

1466
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:42,660
sustainable growth of Obito it is not a

1467
01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:44,520
question but a fact that oviedo's

1468
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,339
roadways are stressed we see over 20 000

1469
01:02:47,339 --> 01:02:49,500
cars pass through the city every day by

1470
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,780
fdot reports Lockwood alone has an

1471
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:53,400
annual average daily traffic count of

1472
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,380
over 17 000.

1473
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:57,299
we can see all the traffic backups at

1474
01:02:57,299 --> 01:02:58,260
the Lockwood and Mitchell hammock

1475
01:02:58,260 --> 01:02:59,819
intersection just as well as the

1476
01:02:59,819 --> 01:03:01,380
Lockwood and Broadway intersections

1477
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:03,359
whether that's a car stopped in the

1478
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:04,440
middle of the intersection waiting to

1479
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,599
turn Northbound onto Lockwood or if it

1480
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,119
is the inability of a car to turn across

1481
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,859
the southbound Lanes into the Northbound

1482
01:03:10,859 --> 01:03:13,680
Lanes the traffic on Lockwood is rough

1483
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,140
putting some numbers on this claim at

1484
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:17,339
the intersection of Lockwood and

1485
01:03:17,339 --> 01:03:18,900
Mitchell hammock there have been 24

1486
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,240
traffic crashes in the last 12 months

1487
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,339
the most recent being less than a month

1488
01:03:23,339 --> 01:03:24,359
ago

1489
01:03:24,359 --> 01:03:26,579
even worse the intersection of East

1490
01:03:26,579 --> 01:03:28,859
Broadway and Lockwood has seen 66

1491
01:03:28,859 --> 01:03:31,140
traffic crashes in the same time period

1492
01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:34,440
the most recent being today

1493
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,540
our roadways are ill-equipped for

1494
01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:38,099
increased traffic flow is an

1495
01:03:38,099 --> 01:03:39,240
understatement

1496
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,099
our roadways can barely withstand our

1497
01:03:41,099 --> 01:03:42,780
current volume and the addition of a

1498
01:03:42,780 --> 01:03:43,980
LongHorn Steakhouse on Lockwood

1499
01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:46,200
Boulevard will undoubtedly exacerbate

1500
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,119
the issues we are already facing on our

1501
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:50,520
streets even if this council is

1502
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,680
incapable of voting down this Longhorn

1503
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,119
development it should not go without

1504
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:56,339
saying that it is not in the best

1505
01:03:56,339 --> 01:03:57,900
interest of the community to continue

1506
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:00,359
the pace of development in the city I

1507
01:04:00,359 --> 01:04:02,700
implore you all to stop and reflect on

1508
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:04,980
the impact development has beyond the

1509
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:06,059
monetary

1510
01:04:06,059 --> 01:04:08,760
it can damage our community identity our

1511
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,760
way of life and our safety I further ask

1512
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,380
that this Council and the city officials

1513
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:15,299
gathered here tonight

1514
01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:17,220
strongly consider hosting public forums

1515
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:19,500
and appropriate actionable civil

1516
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:21,599
discourse with our local business owners

1517
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,760
local residents and local groups Beyond

1518
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,160
those during a city council meeting many

1519
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,079
individuals are simply unaware or

1520
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:30,000
unprepared to voice their concerns in a

1521
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,799
manner that will be able to Spur change

1522
01:04:31,799 --> 01:04:34,079
in the community and I truly believe

1523
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:37,559
that is unfair in my heart of hearts our

1524
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,480
role as public servants

1525
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,220
in the words of the Constitution is to

1526
01:04:41,220 --> 01:04:42,960
establish justice provide for the common

1527
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,520
defense and promote the general welfare

1528
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,740
this comes in many forms and at its core

1529
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:48,839
it is ensuring the public is informed

1530
01:04:48,839 --> 01:04:50,520
enough to be able to make informed

1531
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,859
decisions and offer direction to its

1532
01:04:52,859 --> 01:04:54,720
public officials to enact change it

1533
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,540
deems appropriate I fully recognize the

1534
01:04:57,540 --> 01:04:59,099
burden you all Face In Your Capacity as

1535
01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:00,660
council members and I respect you all

1536
01:05:00,660 --> 01:05:01,859
for putting yourselves in that position

1537
01:05:01,859 --> 01:05:04,920
to make tough decisions but as we look

1538
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,079
forward looking towards tomorrow and

1539
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:09,000
next week and next year we have to

1540
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,859
accept that each of the actions and

1541
01:05:10,859 --> 01:05:12,420
inactions

1542
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:14,520
we take will all affect us in one way or

1543
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,079
another I do not envy you for the

1544
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,460
decisions you have to make nor do I hold

1545
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,200
any ill will against any of you for what

1546
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,480
is at the end of the day just business I

1547
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,220
do however ask that you listen to the

1548
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:25,260
concerns of the citizens to ensure that

1549
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:26,940
this kind of commercialization of our

1550
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:29,280
great city does not continue beyond

1551
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,380
recognition thank you all very much for

1552
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:32,880
your consideration and I of course look

1553
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,319
forward to your continued work thank you

1554
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:37,200
great thank you

1555
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:47,270
next up I have Miss Delgado

1556
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,599
I am Kalina Delgado at 1004 wheeler

1557
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,040
Place Oviedo

1558
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,440
good evening council members I'm here

1559
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,480
speaking to you on behalf of my family's

1560
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,059
restaurant Cafe panuzos we have been

1561
01:06:00,059 --> 01:06:01,619
lucky enough to serve our Oviedo

1562
01:06:01,619 --> 01:06:03,359
community and have proudly done so for

1563
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:06,059
the last 15 years we are most definitely

1564
01:06:06,059 --> 01:06:08,940
a family business my dad is the chef my

1565
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:10,740
sister and cousin are servers my baby

1566
01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:12,480
brother is a host and we think of the

1567
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,760
rest of our staff as family too

1568
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,619
as I'm sure you can imagine we are

1569
01:06:16,619 --> 01:06:18,119
deeply concerned about the proposed

1570
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:20,579
Longhorn development while we recognize

1571
01:06:20,579 --> 01:06:22,380
we cannot stop the development due to

1572
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:24,359
the land zoning in the plaza I wanted to

1573
01:06:24,359 --> 01:06:26,240
present my concerns to you for remedy

1574
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,500
unfortunately we were not notified of

1575
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:29,940
this impending construction with any

1576
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:31,859
advance notice so we were incapable of

1577
01:06:31,859 --> 01:06:33,839
raising our concerns throughout their

1578
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:36,480
application and planning process if you

1579
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:37,980
refer to tonight's packet under the

1580
01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:39,799
exhibits for resolution

1581
01:06:39,799 --> 01:06:42,420
436423 you will notice that the longhorn

1582
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:44,880
faces away from panuzos therefore

1583
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,559
panuzos will be in full view of

1584
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,140
LongHorn's back facade although we

1585
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:50,640
recognize that they will provide some

1586
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,319
fencing and hedging around the dumpsters

1587
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,359
and back door this does not mean that it

1588
01:06:54,359 --> 01:06:55,920
will not affect our own business under

1589
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,140
its current orientation

1590
01:06:58,140 --> 01:06:59,880
having been in the restaurant industry

1591
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,339
for well over a decade we know that no

1592
01:07:02,339 --> 01:07:03,839
amount of fencing will stop the smell

1593
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:06,180
from radiating outward this in

1594
01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:07,980
conjunction with flies employees on

1595
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,780
break behind the restaurant and the

1596
01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:11,760
inevitable influx of Scavenging birds

1597
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,500
all have the potential to affect our

1598
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:15,660
patio business which is very prominent

1599
01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:17,760
for most of the year in addition to our

1600
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,799
general foot traffic we know our food

1601
01:07:19,799 --> 01:07:21,660
simply won't be as appetizing to patrons

1602
01:07:21,660 --> 01:07:23,220
with the smell of a dumpster at our

1603
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:25,619
doorstep to be clear we want to be

1604
01:07:25,619 --> 01:07:27,720
supportive of a growing Oviedo but we

1605
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,039
want to ensure that the growth and

1606
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:30,780
development is Equitable for all the

1607
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:33,180
affected parties that said we would like

1608
01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:34,380
to please ask for your help and

1609
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:36,180
consideration regarding the orientation

1610
01:07:36,180 --> 01:07:38,520
of the restaurant we are asking that the

1611
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,619
freestanding development be rotated 90

1612
01:07:40,619 --> 01:07:43,260
degrees clockwise or counterclockwise to

1613
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:44,880
reduce the potential impact on our

1614
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,099
family business if rotating the business

1615
01:07:47,099 --> 01:07:49,260
is not an option we would at the very

1616
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:51,359
least request the dumpsters be relocated

1617
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,119
to another part of the proposed lot

1618
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:55,980
we know just as well as LongHorn

1619
01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:57,539
Steakhouse that when it comes to the

1620
01:07:57,539 --> 01:08:00,119
service industry Impressions matter this

1621
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:01,980
includes the quality of the food the

1622
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:03,720
quality of the staff and the overall

1623
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,579
appearance of the restaurant inside and

1624
01:08:05,579 --> 01:08:08,039
out we feel as though if the tables were

1625
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:09,480
turned and we were proposing a

1626
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,099
restaurant to be constructed in front of

1627
01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:13,200
a longhorn they wouldn't be happy if our

1628
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,299
dumpsters fenced or not were at their

1629
01:08:15,299 --> 01:08:17,759
front entrance likewise we don't believe

1630
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:19,380
it's fair that our visibility to and

1631
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:21,359
from Lockwood will now be separated by a

1632
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:22,920
building with a view of fenced-in

1633
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,420
dumpsters and hedges

1634
01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:26,400
we fully recognize that this is a big

1635
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,380
ask of you but we do truly feel like

1636
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:30,420
this is about a big enough issue for our

1637
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:31,980
business that it should be considered

1638
01:08:31,980 --> 01:08:34,440
for resolution my family has loved

1639
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:36,120
contributing to Oviedo and we are

1640
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,620
forever grateful for the opportunities

1641
01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:40,020
this city has presented us we want to be

1642
01:08:40,020 --> 01:08:41,640
able to continue that tradition of love

1643
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,859
and Community for many years to come and

1644
01:08:43,859 --> 01:08:45,719
we hope that you council members will

1645
01:08:45,719 --> 01:08:47,279
help maximize our chance to do that

1646
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,440
alongside our new neighbors thank you

1647
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:50,520
all so much for your time and

1648
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,880
consideration great thank you

1649
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,859
I have no more written requests or to

1650
01:08:55,859 --> 01:08:57,299
anybody that would wish to speak on the

1651
01:08:57,299 --> 01:08:58,739
subject that did not turn in a written

1652
01:08:58,739 --> 01:09:01,610
request

1653
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:03,839
okay saying none we will close out for

1654
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:04,980
the record

1655
01:09:04,980 --> 01:09:11,030
what is the pleasure our Council

1656
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,020
Leanne for purposes of discussion move

1657
01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:18,709
we approve resolution 4363-23

1658
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:21,299
do I have a second I'll second for

1659
01:09:21,299 --> 01:09:23,100
discussion my uh

1660
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:25,199
iPad's going anywhere around me here so

1661
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,239
I don't have it in front of me okay

1662
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,580
we have a motion of discussion uh Motion

1663
01:09:29,580 --> 01:09:31,140
in a second what

1664
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:32,819
discussion

1665
01:09:32,819 --> 01:09:35,400
that's a very reasonable request to not

1666
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,259
have the dumpster be in your face thank

1667
01:09:37,259 --> 01:09:39,299
you for bringing that up

1668
01:09:39,299 --> 01:09:43,199
and for proposing a solution is the

1669
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:45,900
applicant present tonight

1670
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:48,480
I I think it's a reasonable request can

1671
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,219
you accommodate it

1672
01:09:50,219 --> 01:09:52,080
um unfortunately in that case we do have

1673
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,060
the building owner's approval to put the

1674
01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:54,960
dumpster

1675
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,060
um and the plaza where it's at

1676
01:09:57,060 --> 01:09:59,520
um they are also signing the nsda in

1677
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,520
this case as they are the property owner

1678
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,780
so we've worked with with the building

1679
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:05,820
owner in this case I get that you've

1680
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:07,620
worked with the building owner but can

1681
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:09,719
you of your own free will ask the

1682
01:10:09,719 --> 01:10:12,360
building owner to think about it I'm

1683
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,239
saying the plaza owner again the plaza

1684
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:17,820
owner yes or are they open to I don't

1685
01:10:17,820 --> 01:10:20,100
think they care where it is I mean

1686
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:21,780
Longhorn cares where it is in this case

1687
01:10:21,780 --> 01:10:23,880
I would recommend that they speak with

1688
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,880
their tenant on their concerns but we

1689
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,600
have

1690
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,540
that owner of the Plaza's concern so

1691
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:32,219
what's your role in this

1692
01:10:32,219 --> 01:10:34,020
um we're with Longhorn the development

1693
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:37,140
yes and then the person who is signing

1694
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:39,540
this nsda is the owner of the plaza in

1695
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:41,640
the rear okay

1696
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:42,780
um

1697
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:46,380
so are any of those people in the room

1698
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:48,179
we don't have the

1699
01:10:48,179 --> 01:10:50,940
um the property owner at this time we do

1700
01:10:50,940 --> 01:10:52,560
have a gentleman here that used to be

1701
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,420
the property owner um and they're the

1702
01:10:54,420 --> 01:10:56,280
developer for this as well

1703
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,560
um but I mean Harris can speak to it as

1704
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,360
well they are signing this nsda they

1705
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,699
have reviewed our site plans they are in

1706
01:11:02,699 --> 01:11:05,100
full consent of this okay

1707
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:09,000
thank you so that puts us in a really

1708
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,540
bizarre situation uh it does look like

1709
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:14,580
so I guess we need Dr Korea back up here

1710
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:19,140
to address the extent to which we are

1711
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:22,380
required to agree to deviations

1712
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:26,699
uh so back in 1987 or so

1713
01:11:26,699 --> 01:11:29,580
the ability to put something of the

1714
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:31,739
shape and footprint of Longhorn already

1715
01:11:31,739 --> 01:11:34,320
existed that is not a dispute at this

1716
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,040
time it sounds like there is some leeway

1717
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,159
being suggested from staff

1718
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:43,500
with regards to the parking spaces so we

1719
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,540
don't have to agree to that the

1720
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:46,920
developers agreement

1721
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,100
shifting within that module

1722
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:52,199
then this is a question for our attorney

1723
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:54,960
we have we do not have discretion to

1724
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,360
shift within the limits of the

1725
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,739
developers agreement is that correct

1726
01:11:58,739 --> 01:12:00,900
because it's a sort of a quasi-judicial

1727
01:12:00,900 --> 01:12:03,350
thing

1728
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:04,679
a question I'd have to do a little

1729
01:12:04,679 --> 01:12:06,480
research to get you the best answer on

1730
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,600
that okay so where'd this is going to my

1731
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,159
brain is we may need to table this until

1732
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:14,520
we have more of these answers

1733
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,679
because I think we've got deviations

1734
01:12:16,679 --> 01:12:19,020
that we don't have to Grant

1735
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:21,719
possibly and if we don't have to grant

1736
01:12:21,719 --> 01:12:26,400
them and an existing person has made a

1737
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,620
kind of a reasonable request even if the

1738
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,380
property owners all agree

1739
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:33,239
maybe we could have a discussion about

1740
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:35,880
it anyway mayor I'll be honest it's

1741
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,980
unfortunate that this was not brought to

1742
01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:40,920
the attention of Staff either like a

1743
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,540
long time ago because last time you

1744
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:44,820
could have just we could have because I

1745
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:47,640
think relocating a dumpster it's much

1746
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,320
easier than

1747
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,239
um you know shifting Shifting the

1748
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:53,460
building right that can happen yeah that

1749
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:55,140
would be completely different it would

1750
01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:56,820
be a different lot it would be a

1751
01:12:56,820 --> 01:12:58,800
different you know configuration it

1752
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,140
changed the whole thing changing a

1753
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:04,440
dumpster is an easier right I know the

1754
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:06,420
architecture was already approved so we

1755
01:13:06,420 --> 01:13:08,460
already had that being discussed in the

1756
01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:11,219
previous meeting that was in June but

1757
01:13:11,219 --> 01:13:14,280
it's an easier you know configuration or

1758
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,880
change in a plan especially in so in the

1759
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,159
property owner so this was not

1760
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:22,980
advertised to the tenants because we

1761
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:24,840
have the property owner authorization he

1762
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,960
was the one applying right so um and

1763
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,960
that is the reason why we we would not

1764
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,300
you know the city is not obligated to to

1765
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:35,880
but everything we do is it's on the on

1766
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,750
public records but um

1767
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:40,620
[Music]

1768
01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:43,980
so I mean staff would be willing to to

1769
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:45,540
look at the site and see if there is any

1770
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:48,480
other proposal for a dumpster location

1771
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,159
but

1772
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,320
um we are not the property owners so we

1773
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:53,640
we cannot

1774
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,910
um

1775
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,080
have the final

1776
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,460
and I guess I've got another question

1777
01:13:59,460 --> 01:14:03,080
for the property owner with this trigger

1778
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,400
re-engineering your site or is this like

1779
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,380
not a big deal

1780
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:09,780
so how Longhorn works on their dumpsters

1781
01:14:09,780 --> 01:14:11,580
in a specific location which is behind

1782
01:14:11,580 --> 01:14:13,140
the kitchen to prevent those people

1783
01:14:13,140 --> 01:14:15,960
sitting on crates in a parking area and

1784
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,580
so it's all shielded with a wall and

1785
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:19,260
then with large gates in front of the

1786
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:21,239
dumpster but that building is configured

1787
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:22,860
in a certain way where the dumpster has

1788
01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:24,080
to be attached to the building

1789
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,100
additionally if you look at the site

1790
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,860
plan we do have a limited lot space and

1791
01:14:28,860 --> 01:14:30,540
we don't have the ability to go to that

1792
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:32,400
property owner in the rear because we

1793
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,739
are selling out this prop parcel and

1794
01:14:34,739 --> 01:14:36,900
having a dumpster shared onto their lot

1795
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:38,159
that's something that they wouldn't

1796
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:40,380
agree to because then you would have

1797
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:42,540
tenants you know walking through to the

1798
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:45,060
rear of the other building for the

1799
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:46,980
dumpster situation um so we are

1800
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:49,140
providing dumpster enclosure meeting

1801
01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:51,540
oral architectural and legac

1802
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:54,000
requirements all of our Landscaping

1803
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,820
except for two islands which is due to

1804
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:58,500
existing lighting fixtures is also

1805
01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:01,020
meeting Land Development code and then

1806
01:15:01,020 --> 01:15:03,120
the only deviations is in regards to

1807
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,040
parking in those small items that she

1808
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,260
brought up before we did do full parking

1809
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:09,900
study as well as a traffic study and we

1810
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:12,000
are within ite trip generation and

1811
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,920
parking generation for this project at

1812
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,320
maximum hours can you point on this or

1813
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,719
somebody point on this where are the

1814
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:24,250
dumpsters proposed to be yes

1815
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:26,820
and you can see the gates in front of it

1816
01:15:26,820 --> 01:15:29,280
and then the wall on all sides and then

1817
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:35,930
the rear doors Okay so

1818
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:38,159
trees all in that Island

1819
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,280
so roughly how many feet is between the

1820
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,480
the dumpster area and the facade of the

1821
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:54,830
building to the east

1822
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,360
100 feet

1823
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,080
and so this is include these have lids

1824
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,360
they're going to be done how often are

1825
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,070
you going to empty the dumpsters

1826
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,260
like twice a week three every day

1827
01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:13,560
twice a week okay if needed they usually

1828
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,260
the the concern I have with with the

1829
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:17,880
dumpsters is we just had a code

1830
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,820
enforcement action across the street at

1831
01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:23,520
the Tijuana Flats shopping center and I

1832
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:24,900
mean and that was horrible if that

1833
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:26,100
occurred here

1834
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:29,580
that that would that would really be

1835
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:32,100
detrimental to to the neighbors so in

1836
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:33,659
this

1837
01:16:33,659 --> 01:16:35,219
imagine this is on the is on the side of

1838
01:16:35,219 --> 01:16:37,970
their kitchen

1839
01:16:37,980 --> 01:16:39,780
concerns in regards to

1840
01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:41,400
um that how they care for the dumpster

1841
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,500
can also become a Florida department of

1842
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:45,239
health issue because their kitchen is

1843
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:46,980
right out the back door of that so

1844
01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:48,840
that's obviously something Longhorn is

1845
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:49,679
really

1846
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:52,199
adamant about their kitchen safety as

1847
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:54,840
well as the dumpster being kept in a

1848
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:55,860
certain way just because of the

1849
01:16:55,860 --> 01:17:00,410
proximity to the kitchen

1850
01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:02,400
Deputy Mayor can we get her name and

1851
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,940
address please oh yes Malaya storm 5404

1852
01:17:05,940 --> 01:17:08,100
Cypress Center Drive thank you or Tampa

1853
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:09,540
Florida

1854
01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:12,709
thank you

1855
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:16,610
that's all I've got for now

1856
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:18,840
okay any further discussion well is

1857
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,880
there was there a suggestion to table

1858
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,500
this because I have the same pretty much

1859
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:26,300
the same concerns the mayor brought up

1860
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:29,460
the only viable thing I can see is to

1861
01:17:29,460 --> 01:17:31,080
shift everything to the left and put

1862
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,940
more parking in the rear of the building

1863
01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:35,460
unless in in front of it and I guess

1864
01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:38,040
that means moving things to the

1865
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,340
I guess that would be to the West

1866
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:44,400
and put some more space between the

1867
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,500
building and the and the existing

1868
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:48,060
restaurants because it's not just

1869
01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:49,560
panuzos out there there's a couple other

1870
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,320
restaurants on that row too that if I

1871
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,390
understand

1872
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,260
so we had a motion in a second there are

1873
01:17:58,260 --> 01:18:01,140
you saying you want to and I I I would

1874
01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:03,360
like to take back my motion and move

1875
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,719
that we table resolution

1876
01:18:05,719 --> 01:18:09,600
4364-23 until September 7th so we can

1877
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,179
get the information about

1878
01:18:12,179 --> 01:18:15,540
you know what we are required to allow

1879
01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:18,179
in the form of deviations relative to

1880
01:18:18,179 --> 01:18:23,090
the original developers agreement

1881
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:25,320
I don't think we're we're not allowed to

1882
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:30,169
accept anything

1883
01:18:30,179 --> 01:18:32,880
okay I think we can allow I don't know

1884
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,699
what the process is go ahead go ahead

1885
01:18:35,699 --> 01:18:38,640
thanks for everyone's time uh I'm Blake

1886
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,020
McRae uh 2215 Emory Drive Tifton Georgia

1887
01:18:43,020 --> 01:18:45,060
I'm with Stafford development the parent

1888
01:18:45,060 --> 01:18:48,540
company of the developer that is in a

1889
01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:51,540
lease agreement with Longhorn the parent

1890
01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:53,580
company of Longhorn is Dart in

1891
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:54,320
restaurants

1892
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,420
some of y'all may know Darden is this is

1893
01:18:57,420 --> 01:18:59,520
pretty much their Hometown

1894
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,320
um so I'm sure they take all this in

1895
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,120
consideration just as much as I do I

1896
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,560
know developers come in here and they

1897
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,659
propose things but with a particular

1898
01:19:06,659 --> 01:19:08,159
relationship that we have with Darden at

1899
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,560
this time they're very cognizant of the

1900
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,540
situation and the magnitude of this

1901
01:19:12,540 --> 01:19:16,140
development I just ask that maybe with

1902
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:18,179
the I know they're still you know

1903
01:19:18,179 --> 01:19:19,620
building permits to be reviewed maybe

1904
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:22,380
the dumpster enclosure can be noted at

1905
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:23,699
that time maybe something be worked out

1906
01:19:23,699 --> 01:19:26,280
at that time as well and I'm sure Darden

1907
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:27,659
they would be okay with you know working

1908
01:19:27,659 --> 01:19:29,400
something out with the city too I know

1909
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,440
we're not just going to just let it ride

1910
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,360
and sweep underneath the rug I'm sure

1911
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,860
they want to address it just as much as

1912
01:19:34,860 --> 01:19:36,600
we want to so we're very concerned about

1913
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,239
that but at the same time we are here

1914
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:41,940
tonight to uh just thank everyone for

1915
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:43,500
your time and consideration this has

1916
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,360
been a long process just thanks again

1917
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,980
for your time and just listening to us

1918
01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:49,370
this evening

1919
01:19:49,380 --> 01:19:52,790
Mr Cobb are you going to say something

1920
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,760
uh yes mayor you withdrew your motion

1921
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,620
yes okay

1922
01:19:58,620 --> 01:20:00,540
definitely you don't have a motion on

1923
01:20:00,540 --> 01:20:02,400
the table right now so there's nothing

1924
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,840
to table

1925
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,780
however you can that's true you can

1926
01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:10,320
continue your consideration to a date

1927
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,300
certain and you will need to specify the

1928
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:14,880
day the mayor recommended September 7th

1929
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,340
but I will tell you those deadlines for

1930
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:19,440
submittal are coming up in the next few

1931
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:20,880
days

1932
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,120
um what is it next Monday

1933
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,400
or next Thursday

1934
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,400
September 1st we have to publish

1935
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,260
well it seems like we ought to be able

1936
01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:32,760
to very quickly

1937
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,239
find the answer about you know with the

1938
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,640
deviations and all that good stuff and I

1939
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,199
don't want to hold up the project that's

1940
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:41,880
that's not the intent here it's let's

1941
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,380
get the information that we're lacking

1942
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:45,360
as quickly as we can okay one thing

1943
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,159
about it is

1944
01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:49,800
yes there was a what they call it there

1945
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,360
was a development agreement done back in

1946
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,179
1987 that was for the Twin Rivers PUD

1947
01:20:54,179 --> 01:20:56,520
this is a commercial track within the

1948
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,040
Twin Rivers PUD subsequently there was

1949
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,080
probably at that time because it was

1950
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,300
before I got your a conditional use

1951
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:05,159
permit which is today's site development

1952
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:06,840
order that was done for the shopping

1953
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:07,860
center

1954
01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:10,260
and so those were done the the

1955
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:12,420
the development agreement for Twin

1956
01:21:12,420 --> 01:21:14,940
Rivers basically says it's C2 it follows

1957
01:21:14,940 --> 01:21:16,800
C2 and that's really all it says doesn't

1958
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,300
get into the detail that we get into

1959
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:20,400
nowadays with our non-statutorial

1960
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,840
development agreements when you're doing

1961
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,460
a non-state 40 development you're

1962
01:21:23,460 --> 01:21:25,560
establishing minimum standards you're

1963
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,239
not really doing deviations yes they

1964
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:29,340
look like deviations because it's

1965
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:30,840
something different from what's in our

1966
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,699
code but for this property you're

1967
01:21:32,699 --> 01:21:34,679
actually setting minimum standards for

1968
01:21:34,679 --> 01:21:37,679
that this applicant did us like with the

1969
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:40,260
parking this applicant did a study they

1970
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:42,060
said that there was there was capacity

1971
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:45,120
to accommodate the lesser of the Lesser

1972
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,460
thing across the entire property this

1973
01:21:47,460 --> 01:21:49,080
does encompass the entire the shopping

1974
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:50,940
center as well as the long part it

1975
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:52,920
encompasses everything they did as

1976
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,540
parking study the parking study said

1977
01:21:54,540 --> 01:21:56,040
that there was adequate parking to

1978
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,320
accommodate the restaurant as well as

1979
01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,699
the shopping center they did a traffic

1980
01:21:59,699 --> 01:22:01,380
study as well they really didn't have to

1981
01:22:01,380 --> 01:22:02,880
do a traffic study because that was all

1982
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,100
taken care of during the approved back

1983
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:08,100
in 1987 with the approval of Twin Rivers

1984
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:11,520
uh so but you can continue it if you

1985
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,560
have questions yes that's within your

1986
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,480
your authority to say we would like to

1987
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,280
continue this then make sure it's to a

1988
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,980
date certain so that then we can get we

1989
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:21,300
can get the answers to your questions

1990
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:24,120
for you and get that put back in we have

1991
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,100
two meetings in September September 7th

1992
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:28,020
which is a Thursday and we also have

1993
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:30,600
September the 18th so

1994
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,020
so you're saying this is not a 24

1995
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:35,640
deviation then no not in this case

1996
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,440
you're setting the minimum standard in

1997
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:38,580
other words you're going to set the

1998
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:40,320
minimum standard for this development

1999
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:41,580
that's what you're doing that's what

2000
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:42,900
that's the difference with the between

2001
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:44,880
the development agreement and a site

2002
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,320
development order a site development or

2003
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,540
if it was coming for you it would be

2004
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:51,540
listed as a deviation a 24 deviation to

2005
01:22:51,540 --> 01:22:53,760
the parking regulations but in this case

2006
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,320
you're actually saying that this

2007
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,920
property will have how much 200 257 so

2008
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,219
we're we're making rules right out of

2009
01:23:02,219 --> 01:23:04,500
thin air and that is my concern is that

2010
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:06,420
we're making rules out of thin air it's

2011
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:07,980
not out of thin air well no it's based

2012
01:23:07,980 --> 01:23:11,699
on stuff I agree based on studies but we

2013
01:23:11,699 --> 01:23:14,760
don't have to have these be the rules we

2014
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,340
can have different rules because we are

2015
01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:19,679
making them up not making them base

2016
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:21,960
basing them on but issues not parking

2017
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,179
right the issue is is the dumpster is

2018
01:23:24,179 --> 01:23:26,400
the location so two considerations that

2019
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,440
I wanted to bring one is that this is

2020
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:32,159
not a a unique situation right in

2021
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:34,080
Suburban development when you have the

2022
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,840
development sat way back there are

2023
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,480
sometimes out Parcels right so we have

2024
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,520
several examples of that Central Square

2025
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,860
is building the last out parcel right

2026
01:23:43,860 --> 01:23:46,679
the publics have several out Parcels so

2027
01:23:46,679 --> 01:23:49,920
this is not an uncommon situation now we

2028
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,440
can try so for the dumpster if we cannot

2029
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:54,179
move the dumpster there are landscape

2030
01:23:54,179 --> 01:23:57,000
you know solutions that we can you know

2031
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,940
enhance to to

2032
01:23:59,940 --> 01:24:02,880
trying to to disguise right or to try to

2033
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,340
buffer or like get some fans that have

2034
01:24:05,340 --> 01:24:07,920
to blow towards Longhorns or something I

2035
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,980
don't know we we can work on that so I

2036
01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:13,260
don't know if um because if it's a

2037
01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:16,320
completely rearrangement of the site

2038
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,659
then it's going to be very hard to come

2039
01:24:18,659 --> 01:24:21,300
in September 7th right it feels like

2040
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:23,400
it's going to be beautiful can Longhorn

2041
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,420
agree to put fans blowing any potential

2042
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:28,820
smells well

2043
01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:31,980
that's not it I mean we're not Engineers

2044
01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:34,440
here but that's something all we're

2045
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:36,179
trying to do is we we know that there's

2046
01:24:36,179 --> 01:24:39,000
a there could be a new sense caused by

2047
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,980
the dumpsters and we need to find a way

2048
01:24:40,980 --> 01:24:44,460
a solution to resolve that nuisance but

2049
01:24:44,460 --> 01:24:46,560
we're allowed to put that in this type

2050
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,360
of document that's what I'm saying this

2051
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,659
is such a flexible malleable document we

2052
01:24:51,659 --> 01:24:54,360
can put these things in it and it could

2053
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,600
directly address the one concern

2054
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,060
that I I think we can probably address

2055
01:25:00,060 --> 01:25:04,140
this late in the game which is the smell

2056
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:06,540
is that something you can just on that

2057
01:25:06,540 --> 01:25:07,500
spot

2058
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:11,709
say you're cool with

2059
01:25:11,719 --> 01:25:14,219
I feel like that would move over into a

2060
01:25:14,219 --> 01:25:15,780
building permitting type of document

2061
01:25:15,780 --> 01:25:18,300
while the mlup does kind of leave

2062
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:19,679
availability

2063
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:21,960
um for us to make deviations from code

2064
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,699
I'm not sure that it sets the

2065
01:25:23,699 --> 01:25:25,560
availability to implement stuff above

2066
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,780
code requirements um so with that being

2067
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:30,120
said you know we did provide everybody

2068
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,100
as well as staff the parking studies

2069
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:34,860
support it the parking counts we do meet

2070
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:36,659
Seminole County code on the parking

2071
01:25:36,659 --> 01:25:39,719
study as well and then we would just ask

2072
01:25:39,719 --> 01:25:41,100
potentially that we could make a

2073
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:43,860
condition of this approval that we add

2074
01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:47,640
additional landscaping or buffer between

2075
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:53,340
the trash enclosure and the rear uses as

2076
01:25:53,340 --> 01:25:55,679
a condition of this document

2077
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,900
so how what would that look like from a

2078
01:25:57,900 --> 01:25:59,400
legal perspective we would not

2079
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,500
necessarily approve this document per se

2080
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:03,960
tonight we would approve a document

2081
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,940
that's slightly modified and we'd still

2082
01:26:05,940 --> 01:26:08,280
have to revisit it on the 7th

2083
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,100
I think that it's a messy mayor um

2084
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:13,380
procedurally I would like a chance to

2085
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:14,639
look at it just

2086
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:17,699
the options are in this specific context

2087
01:26:17,699 --> 01:26:20,159
okay so it sounds like at this point the

2088
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,260
cleanest method is to continue this

2089
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:24,239
until September 7th I would continue it

2090
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:27,000
till September 18th that far I don't

2091
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,860
want to that gives them time to research

2092
01:26:28,860 --> 01:26:31,250
it

2093
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:35,100
can you guys live with the 17th 18th or

2094
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:36,719
18th whatever yeah

2095
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:39,300
I know you don't want to live beyond

2096
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,600
today but yeah no I understand I mean uh

2097
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,520
unfortunately we would not be able to to

2098
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,560
live with it because per our lease

2099
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,480
agreement we have to have government

2100
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,639
approval by a certain date

2101
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:52,860
and what's your drop dead date like this

2102
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:55,860
Friday so Friday and your staff has been

2103
01:26:55,860 --> 01:26:58,560
awesome with getting us here and I

2104
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,360
appreciate every one of you guys but it

2105
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,340
is really is it's like it's at that

2106
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:04,380
point and so as far as certain

2107
01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:06,239
conditions that we can discuss I mean I

2108
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:07,620
know there's

2109
01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:09,659
um as far as dumpster enclosure you know

2110
01:27:09,659 --> 01:27:11,580
as far as if there's regular maintenance

2111
01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:12,840
associated with that with pressure

2112
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,659
washing and cleaning of the dumpsters uh

2113
01:27:15,659 --> 01:27:17,460
you know disposing getting them

2114
01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:19,679
maintained more often you know we'd have

2115
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:22,080
to talk to the owner about that but yeah

2116
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,940
we're kind of at that at that critical

2117
01:27:23,940 --> 01:27:26,510
moment that

2118
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,920
2021 and if we don't get approved this

2119
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,300
week then

2120
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:32,760
all bets are off it's all done like and

2121
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,739
we're out I mean yes I guess the only

2122
01:27:34,739 --> 01:27:36,179
question I would have in this back to

2123
01:27:36,179 --> 01:27:37,800
staff how did we get to this point we're

2124
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,600
we're at a deadline

2125
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,000
tonight for the for Friday for this

2126
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,860
applicant it seems like this should have

2127
01:27:43,860 --> 01:27:47,689
come to us sooner

2128
01:27:47,699 --> 01:27:49,980
we can only bring when it's ready right

2129
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:52,380
so yeah but it's ready he has a deadline

2130
01:27:52,380 --> 01:27:55,139
by this Friday I mean so how does that

2131
01:27:55,139 --> 01:27:56,820
happen

2132
01:27:56,820 --> 01:27:58,980
to me everything we do is on the clock

2133
01:27:58,980 --> 01:28:01,739
we did not control the applicants

2134
01:28:01,739 --> 01:28:05,040
right so everything if every time we

2135
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,800
review plans it's on the clock

2136
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,500
today's efficiency 21 8 Days first

2137
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:14,159
compliance 21 to a second compliance

2138
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:18,480
14th when did the applicant turn in the

2139
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,280
proposed like who crafted this I'm

2140
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,020
guessing the applicant crafted the

2141
01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:24,540
non-statutory development agreement when

2142
01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:26,580
did it come in

2143
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:29,100
so I don't have debates here okay we got

2144
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:30,300
dates back here somebody's going to jump

2145
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:32,600
in and tell us

2146
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,600
I don't understand how we have four days

2147
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,380
development review manager the

2148
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:40,080
application came in in November of 2021.

2149
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,340
so

2150
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:44,219
this non-statutory development agreement

2151
01:28:44,219 --> 01:28:46,920
has been in our hands for two almost two

2152
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:48,960
years and it's never been shown to us

2153
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,900
until four days before they have a

2154
01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:54,540
triggered deadline am I understanding

2155
01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:56,040
this correctly

2156
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,199
we've gone through the process where

2157
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:00,420
they go through review and then they go

2158
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:02,219
to land planning agency into City

2159
01:29:02,219 --> 01:29:03,900
Council

2160
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:05,460
I'm talking about this document

2161
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:06,840
specifically the non-statutory

2162
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,460
development agreement

2163
01:29:08,460 --> 01:29:11,340
when that that not the site plan not the

2164
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:12,540
architectural I know they've been going

2165
01:29:12,540 --> 01:29:14,159
through different parts of review but

2166
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:16,739
this the nsda

2167
01:29:16,739 --> 01:29:21,300
uh when did this hit our end

2168
01:29:21,300 --> 01:29:24,060
it was November of 2021 that came in

2169
01:29:24,060 --> 01:29:26,040
there was a period of time where this

2170
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,139
application laid dormant for almost a

2171
01:29:28,139 --> 01:29:28,980
year

2172
01:29:28,980 --> 01:29:32,280
and then they revved it up okay so this

2173
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,500
has been an on our in our court since

2174
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:37,500
2021. the application came over here

2175
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:43,250
just the application not the nsda

2176
01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:45,659
yes so the application comes it's an

2177
01:29:45,659 --> 01:29:47,940
nsga in a conceptual development plan

2178
01:29:47,940 --> 01:29:50,940
right this document the 21 Pages not the

2179
01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:54,120
final one but in the final one not but

2180
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,219
the proposal the application to start

2181
01:29:56,219 --> 01:29:58,679
the process yes the thought to create a

2182
01:29:58,679 --> 01:30:01,500
21-page or so document that began in

2183
01:30:01,500 --> 01:30:04,560
2021. at what point did was there a

2184
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,239
draft of what we're looking at now the

2185
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:09,229
21 pages

2186
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:11,580
the the current draft that we have

2187
01:30:11,580 --> 01:30:14,159
or some something kind of close to it

2188
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:15,719
that would have

2189
01:30:15,719 --> 01:30:18,420
said what the buffers were and all these

2190
01:30:18,420 --> 01:30:19,920
things

2191
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,340
the documents changed over time so the

2192
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:26,159
most recent where it was close to this

2193
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:28,380
version is probably back in May or June

2194
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:30,840
of this year okay so three four months

2195
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,659
maybe yeah and and since then there's

2196
01:30:33,659 --> 01:30:35,340
been some tweaks in language and back

2197
01:30:35,340 --> 01:30:37,620
and forth to make sure that the

2198
01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:39,179
development agreement reported to the

2199
01:30:39,179 --> 01:30:41,760
Twin Rivers ped and some other issues

2200
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,380
that we need to go ahead and iron out as

2201
01:30:43,380 --> 01:30:45,540
far as you know having the proper owner

2202
01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:48,000
and you know little items that we have

2203
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,739
to iron out to make sure that it's ready

2204
01:30:49,739 --> 01:30:51,480
to go to the land planning agency and

2205
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:55,729
city council okay

2206
01:30:55,739 --> 01:30:58,860
mayor if I may that there is no site

2207
01:30:58,860 --> 01:31:01,199
plan at the moment that's submitted so

2208
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:04,800
you it is possible if the council once

2209
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,780
wishes to put

2210
01:31:06,780 --> 01:31:09,420
um conditions on the approval of what's

2211
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:11,520
before you tonight that's that is an

2212
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,320
option if you would like to do that and

2213
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,239
then you can address the further

2214
01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:17,760
concerns in the site plan approval but

2215
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,440
would this site plan necessarily come

2216
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:22,260
before us they don't have to correct as

2217
01:31:22,260 --> 01:31:24,320
long as there's no deviations

2218
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,580
this is back to the thing we already had

2219
01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:28,440
an issue with so I don't want us to get

2220
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:30,900
stuck in a spot where this is our last

2221
01:31:30,900 --> 01:31:33,239
bite at the Apple and we don't address

2222
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:34,980
what would I think is a reasonable

2223
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:36,000
concern

2224
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,520
yeah unless you have specific requests

2225
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,340
so if you it's to enhance the landscape

2226
01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:44,580
so that it buffers you know any nuisance

2227
01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:46,260
you're laughing at me but I'm serious

2228
01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:50,100
fans that's that gets the smell going

2229
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:52,560
the right way for sure if you guys can

2230
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,060
agree to fans

2231
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:58,550
I'm all in tonight

2232
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,500
so why not enclose it with a roof and

2233
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:04,020
put exhaust fans on it and then if it

2234
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:05,880
smells under the roof you guys will have

2235
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,550
to do something about it

2236
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,719
you know I don't know this this really

2237
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:15,120
is impacting existing

2238
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,860
restaurants out there I know you've

2239
01:32:16,860 --> 01:32:19,980
probably worked in good faith but these

2240
01:32:19,980 --> 01:32:21,360
these folks have been here for a long

2241
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,100
time and

2242
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:24,840
I can't see where it wouldn't impact

2243
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,239
them so we need to do something to try

2244
01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:30,110
to mitigate that

2245
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:31,260
um

2246
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:33,060
I mean as of right now she's making a

2247
01:32:33,060 --> 01:32:34,380
phone call to the director of real

2248
01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:37,260
estate for Darden she's the key decision

2249
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:38,699
maker

2250
01:32:38,699 --> 01:32:40,500
um she can see what asked if they can

2251
01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:43,679
meet with with staff or or the I mean

2252
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:45,960
tenants the fans I'm I'm very

2253
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:47,880
open-minded to anything

2254
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,380
um but as we know with anything that's

2255
01:32:49,380 --> 01:32:51,000
mounted outside such as a fan or

2256
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,800
anything like that how long is that

2257
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,420
going to last is it going to break down

2258
01:32:54,420 --> 01:32:56,940
I mean I I totally get it that's the

2259
01:32:56,940 --> 01:32:58,500
same thing with the gates yeah how long

2260
01:32:58,500 --> 01:32:59,760
does it get I mean the gate's going to

2261
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,440
stay closed and they just leave them

2262
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:03,420
wide open that's right and you get the

2263
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:04,920
rodents and everything else in there in

2264
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,080
front of the restaurant right no I

2265
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,760
totally get it I totally understand what

2266
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,320
you guys are saying

2267
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,880
um I just feel like maybe during site

2268
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,320
plan review or building permit reviews

2269
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,000
some of that stuff can be addressed we

2270
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,080
can still sit down and have those

2271
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,840
discussions at that time I'm just asking

2272
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,400
for approval with conditions so we can

2273
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,440
move this still forward provide a nice

2274
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:24,300
sit-down restaurant for the citizens of

2275
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:26,159
Oviedo so

2276
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:28,139
is there even a mechanism in our code

2277
01:33:28,139 --> 01:33:31,679
for us to approve condition upon us

2278
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,360
getting to deal with the dumpsters later

2279
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,719
I don't think we have we do okay please

2280
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:38,760
tell us about this method you could do

2281
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,739
it you could do a motion to adopt with

2282
01:33:40,739 --> 01:33:42,360
the condition that

2283
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,120
the dumpster the dumpster enclosure

2284
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,800
we'll just call it I'll call it

2285
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,900
enclosure the enclosure of the dumpsters

2286
01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:51,060
will have to be addressed at site at

2287
01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:54,239
site development order to

2288
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:55,980
and it has to come back to council I

2289
01:33:55,980 --> 01:33:57,540
think that staff can't do it on their

2290
01:33:57,540 --> 01:34:00,840
own with increased Landscaping ever how

2291
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,820
you know even like Mr Britton explore

2292
01:34:02,820 --> 01:34:04,380
that option you didn't answer your

2293
01:34:04,380 --> 01:34:06,840
question you know and we wanted to come

2294
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,460
back to us I think do we all want it to

2295
01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:09,239
come back

2296
01:34:09,239 --> 01:34:12,000
versus staff just said oh that's as good

2297
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,260
as it gets I want to be sure that

2298
01:34:13,260 --> 01:34:14,820
whatever solution we come up with

2299
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:18,179
actually works and that it's done

2300
01:34:18,179 --> 01:34:20,520
I will say this coordination of the

2301
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,940
tenants you can insert language into the

2302
01:34:23,940 --> 01:34:25,020
development agreement that the site

2303
01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:26,699
development order must be approved by

2304
01:34:26,699 --> 01:34:29,699
Council okay but you can't impose it on

2305
01:34:29,699 --> 01:34:31,620
them they have to agree to it the

2306
01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:34,080
agreement isn't it is an agreement they

2307
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:35,460
have to agree to the conditional

2308
01:34:35,460 --> 01:34:37,679
language being added to the added to the

2309
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:40,260
nsda okay that their side plan will be

2310
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:42,420
approved by Council if they don't agree

2311
01:34:42,420 --> 01:34:43,980
to it then we'll write back to I would

2312
01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:48,179
say continuous okay but can I can I ask

2313
01:34:48,179 --> 01:34:50,280
the applicant question real quick yes so

2314
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,800
you said that it has to be approved by

2315
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,219
the governing body by Friday right

2316
01:34:56,219 --> 01:34:58,800
but it's not getting approved because

2317
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,159
the site development order or the the

2318
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:04,860
um final engineering does this allow a

2319
01:35:04,860 --> 01:35:06,960
closing to occur is that that the bench

2320
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,120
Mark year ma'am I'm sorry does this

2321
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:10,679
allow a closing to occur like you get

2322
01:35:10,679 --> 01:35:12,540
the nsda then everything is set so you

2323
01:35:12,540 --> 01:35:15,360
can begin your real estate moving okay

2324
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,739
so you're you're working towards a

2325
01:35:16,739 --> 01:35:19,080
closing correct right okay and this is

2326
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,300
your deadline on Friday so if we approve

2327
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:25,260
it uh subject to uh adding language that

2328
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:27,780
the site plan will come before this body

2329
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:29,639
to make sure that we're cool with the

2330
01:35:29,639 --> 01:35:31,920
dumpster resolution at a later date will

2331
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,139
that get you where you need to go

2332
01:35:34,139 --> 01:35:36,360
I can't really answer that I don't know

2333
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,280
if uh she's she's probably on the phone

2334
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:39,540
with somebody trying to figure out what

2335
01:35:39,540 --> 01:35:40,860
she's probably talking to a person that

2336
01:35:40,860 --> 01:35:42,659
probably needs to be here to tell us yes

2337
01:35:42,659 --> 01:35:44,940
or no uh unfortunately Madam I'm I'm

2338
01:35:44,940 --> 01:35:47,639
unable to answer that part so

2339
01:35:47,639 --> 01:35:52,260
um so I'm sorry okay well well can we

2340
01:35:52,260 --> 01:35:54,900
can we do this and give them some time

2341
01:35:54,900 --> 01:35:58,860
and let's you want to talk about the

2342
01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:00,719
discussion item and then we can come

2343
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:03,239
back to this while you guys uh actually

2344
01:36:03,239 --> 01:36:10,310
she's coming back now yep

2345
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,300
you're on the hot seat

2346
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:16,800
sorry so where we are right now is uh

2347
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,380
proposing language to approve this

2348
01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:21,960
roughly as it is but added a provision

2349
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,719
if you guys will agree to it that the

2350
01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:27,239
site plan uh the site development order

2351
01:36:27,239 --> 01:36:30,179
will return to council so we can make

2352
01:36:30,179 --> 01:36:31,800
sure we're comfortable with the the way

2353
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:36,229
the dumpsters are addressed

2354
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:39,239
so it's so the question that was then

2355
01:36:39,239 --> 01:36:41,699
it's site plan not the site development

2356
01:36:41,699 --> 01:36:49,850
oh that okay

2357
01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:53,340
happy to me if I could re request that

2358
01:36:53,340 --> 01:36:55,679
this is bumped to the last item and we

2359
01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,920
can have a meeting even with the

2360
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,179
panusa's representative to see if we can

2361
01:37:00,179 --> 01:37:02,880
have any kind of agreement you know that

2362
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:04,860
would be good okay all right okay I

2363
01:37:04,860 --> 01:37:06,659
think we're in agreement there all right

2364
01:37:06,659 --> 01:37:08,280
okay thank you so what are we going to

2365
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,320
the uh we're going to the concessions

2366
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,080
the discussion item

2367
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,719
you guys are hardcore all the scouts

2368
01:37:15,719 --> 01:37:18,239
thank you for sticking this out I am so

2369
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:19,400
impressed

2370
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,719
got a real lesson today they're helping

2371
01:37:21,719 --> 01:37:25,040
us with a pledge of allegiance yeah

2372
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:33,470
you're good

2373
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:39,669
they're all revved up for you

2374
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:41,820
I got time to go to the restaurant this

2375
01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:43,139
usually doesn't yeah we'll take a five

2376
01:37:43,139 --> 01:43:48,350
minute bile break

2377
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,100
we're ready to go ahead and move on to

2378
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:52,860
discussion item

2379
01:43:52,860 --> 01:43:56,699
[Music]

2380
01:43:56,699 --> 01:43:59,880
so we're on item 15 here

2381
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,460
discussion item veto sports complex and

2382
01:44:02,460 --> 01:44:04,980
Shane Kelly concession operations Mr

2383
01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:06,960
Kyle be by the brief introduction are

2384
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,219
you going to let this Belden go ahead

2385
01:44:08,219 --> 01:44:10,500
and jump right into it all right let Mr

2386
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:14,629
Belden go at it

2387
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:16,260
good evening honorable mayor Deputy

2388
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:17,820
married council members tonight City

2389
01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:19,679
staff is requesting

2390
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:21,719
direction from city council with regards

2391
01:44:21,719 --> 01:44:23,460
to Outsourcing

2392
01:44:23,460 --> 01:44:25,500
concessions operations at Oviedo Sports

2393
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:28,380
Complex and Shane Kelly Park tonight

2394
01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:30,659
staff is recommending that we amend the

2395
01:44:30,659 --> 01:44:32,699
existing agreements with Oviedo Babe

2396
01:44:32,699 --> 01:44:36,239
Ruth and the Florida crazed Crush youth

2397
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:39,119
organizations to allow them to operate

2398
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:40,619
their own concessions utilizing City

2399
01:44:40,619 --> 01:44:42,719
facilities with the respective

2400
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:44,880
facilities that they use Oviedo Babe

2401
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,280
Ruth uses a comp Sports Complex creates

2402
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,320
crushes at Shane Kelly Park

2403
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:51,119
secondly staff is recommending that we

2404
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:53,760
utilize the net savings from these

2405
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,880
changes to unfreeze to maintenance

2406
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,040
worker one positions that would then be

2407
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:00,300
utilized within the Park's maintenance

2408
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:02,699
division in your packet we had

2409
01:45:02,699 --> 01:45:04,320
attachment number one that provided

2410
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,380
those net savings to you

2411
01:45:06,380 --> 01:45:09,659
to break that down for you from savings

2412
01:45:09,659 --> 01:45:12,360
and temporary staffing and concession

2413
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,159
supplies there was approximately overall

2414
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:17,100
Savings of 137 thousand dollars

2415
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:18,900
on the flip side with us giving up the

2416
01:45:18,900 --> 01:45:20,760
concession stands to the youth leagues

2417
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:22,739
there is obviously a reduction of

2418
01:45:22,739 --> 01:45:25,199
Revenue so the net revenue loss

2419
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:27,719
incorporating the concession stand lease

2420
01:45:27,719 --> 01:45:29,360
that the leagues would pay the city

2421
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:32,159
equates to a little bit over forty six

2422
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:34,619
thousand dollar deduction at the end of

2423
01:45:34,619 --> 01:45:37,320
the day net savings is just shy of

2424
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,420
ninety one thousand dollars which we

2425
01:45:39,420 --> 01:45:41,460
staff is requesting to be

2426
01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:42,119
um

2427
01:45:42,119 --> 01:45:43,920
recommended to unfreeze those two

2428
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,040
positions this evening it is recommended

2429
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,020
that city council provide discussion and

2430
01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:51,119
direction to staff with regarding the

2431
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:53,639
libido concession stand operations and

2432
01:45:53,639 --> 01:45:55,920
this evening I have joining me is our

2433
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,480
the president of your Babe Ruth Jason

2434
01:45:57,480 --> 01:45:59,520
McCluskey he'd be more than happy to

2435
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:00,900
answer any questions regarding them

2436
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:04,080
taking on on their role best idea ever

2437
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,940
I've been hoping we do this for seven

2438
01:46:05,940 --> 01:46:08,340
years it's about time

2439
01:46:08,340 --> 01:46:10,739
so is uh

2440
01:46:10,739 --> 01:46:12,360
is there going to be a cost sharing or

2441
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:14,280
is it going to be at least to the the

2442
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,320
leagues or what so

2443
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,480
presently if this is a uh if we get the

2444
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:19,920
proper direction this evening we would

2445
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,119
do an amendment to their agreement

2446
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:23,040
incorporating a concession lease as part

2447
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,440
of their normal agreement okay with

2448
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:27,239
regards to Oviedo Babe Ruth it would

2449
01:46:27,239 --> 01:46:29,280
basically be twelve thousand dollars how

2450
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,619
much twelve thousand dollars Revenue a

2451
01:46:31,619 --> 01:46:33,900
thousand dollars per per month okay uh

2452
01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:36,239
Florida crazy crust would be a four

2453
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,340
thousand dollars per year uh broken down

2454
01:46:38,340 --> 01:46:39,900
you know by monthly

2455
01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:41,639
so where does the

2456
01:46:41,639 --> 01:46:43,860
the revenue for the maintenance workers

2457
01:46:43,860 --> 01:46:44,760
come from

2458
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:46,440
there's no revenue for the maintenance

2459
01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:48,780
workers we're not paying people to sell

2460
01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:50,280
constructions anymore yeah so so we

2461
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,020
pulled so we're pulling off City staff

2462
01:46:52,020 --> 01:46:53,580
that were running the thing and

2463
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:55,800
transferring that over to them so labor

2464
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,840
running these concession stands is one

2465
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,119
of our key components it took it took up

2466
01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:03,600
a lot of our uh you know budget uh we're

2467
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,219
not capturing the full-time hours that

2468
01:47:05,219 --> 01:47:07,199
are associated with this so full-time

2469
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:08,940
staff are just being reallocated we are

2470
01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:11,280
shifting our model of concessions over

2471
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,440
to the gymnasium and Aquatics facility

2472
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:16,619
the Cantina in Oviedo in the park and

2473
01:47:16,619 --> 01:47:18,900
Riverside Park which soon will have our

2474
01:47:18,900 --> 01:47:20,340
new Senior Center as well as a skate

2475
01:47:20,340 --> 01:47:21,840
park so you weren't making money on

2476
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,480
these concessions we were they were they

2477
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:26,100
were making money

2478
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:28,080
um this is the chance that we just did a

2479
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,780
full review of the operations and we

2480
01:47:30,780 --> 01:47:33,119
feel that by making these changes we can

2481
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:35,960
shift our resources elsewhere without

2482
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,159
losing the service level to the

2483
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:39,239
customers

2484
01:47:39,239 --> 01:47:41,400
partnering with Oviedo Babe Ruth and

2485
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:43,980
crazed Crush will serve as a fundraiser

2486
01:47:43,980 --> 01:47:46,199
for those programs they can now generate

2487
01:47:46,199 --> 01:47:48,060
some fundraising activity to now be

2488
01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:49,679
pumped into their program and

2489
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:51,540
potentially be offset and return to the

2490
01:47:51,540 --> 01:47:53,520
city for maintenance so let me put

2491
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,500
another way your recommendation is a is

2492
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:57,179
a net

2493
01:47:57,179 --> 01:47:59,520
cost to the city's Net Zero cost of the

2494
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,750
city

2495
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:04,679
there's true savings we are trying to

2496
01:48:04,679 --> 01:48:06,119
reallocate those savings into the

2497
01:48:06,119 --> 01:48:07,739
maintenance workers that are truly

2498
01:48:07,739 --> 01:48:09,540
needed in the Parks division

2499
01:48:09,540 --> 01:48:11,639
one of them would be stationed at Oviedo

2500
01:48:11,639 --> 01:48:13,139
Sports Complex there's four individuals

2501
01:48:13,139 --> 01:48:15,060
that maintain that facility so it's a

2502
01:48:15,060 --> 01:48:17,460
net zero

2503
01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:19,440
essentially I mean better cost recovery

2504
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:22,320
in our and our efficiency increases by

2505
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:24,060
making this transition

2506
01:48:24,060 --> 01:48:25,520
okay okay

2507
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:30,770
do you want to say something

2508
01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:33,480
I can't so uh my name is Jason McCluskey

2509
01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:36,119
I'm the president of Vito Babe Ruth uh

2510
01:48:36,119 --> 01:48:38,639
so like Paul pointed out that this is

2511
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:40,380
going to help us with fundraising in the

2512
01:48:40,380 --> 01:48:43,199
park uh all of our families and stuff

2513
01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,540
like that where we can donate stuff back

2514
01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:47,520
to the park to do some upgrades that

2515
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,560
they're asking for

2516
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,420
um and basically just allow us to be

2517
01:48:51,420 --> 01:48:53,760
open during all of our times because

2518
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,739
there has been some times that well the

2519
01:48:55,739 --> 01:48:58,080
city can't host everything that we have

2520
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,940
going on so the concessions are closed

2521
01:48:59,940 --> 01:49:00,780
and

2522
01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:02,520
we have people asking us where they can

2523
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,560
get waters and stuff and we have

2524
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,719
injuries and nobody can get ice and

2525
01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:08,699
stuff like that so this allows us to

2526
01:49:08,699 --> 01:49:10,199
help out everybody that's there at the

2527
01:49:10,199 --> 01:49:12,119
park to play with us so you guys are in

2528
01:49:12,119 --> 01:49:13,860
agreement correct yeah we went through

2529
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:16,260
our board we've been talking now I think

2530
01:49:16,260 --> 01:49:19,080
for like six months back and forth

2531
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,060
um and then we went to our our board and

2532
01:49:21,060 --> 01:49:23,100
our board approved it I have not

2533
01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:25,320
mentioned it to all of our players yet

2534
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,659
until tonight until it was approved or

2535
01:49:27,659 --> 01:49:30,000
whatever uh then I was gonna go to the

2536
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,560
all the families to let them know but

2537
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:32,820
right now it's just our board members

2538
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:35,400
that know okay okay all right some

2539
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,600
crazies the same way they're

2540
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:40,920
was receptive we are still working on

2541
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,139
some of the the the details on how to

2542
01:49:43,139 --> 01:49:45,300
take that over uh which I'm confident we

2543
01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:47,400
would work those details out the uh

2544
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,139
Oviedo literally they don't use our

2545
01:49:49,139 --> 01:49:50,820
facilities do they they're just out did

2546
01:49:50,820 --> 01:49:52,739
they use um the sports complex but they

2547
01:49:52,739 --> 01:49:54,659
have their own concessions stands at

2548
01:49:54,659 --> 01:49:55,980
their facility now you're running that

2549
01:49:55,980 --> 01:49:59,280
themselves okay we're one of the few

2550
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:00,719
municipalities that actually run our own

2551
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:02,340
concessions in the state little in the

2552
01:50:02,340 --> 01:50:04,440
nation a lot of Youth groups operate

2553
01:50:04,440 --> 01:50:07,199
their own concession stands and we feel

2554
01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:08,699
um you know there's been discussions in

2555
01:50:08,699 --> 01:50:10,500
the past about concessions and even the

2556
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:12,420
facility for that matter and after

2557
01:50:12,420 --> 01:50:15,060
further thought and review of Staff I'm

2558
01:50:15,060 --> 01:50:17,100
open to this opportunity um it's I think

2559
01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:18,239
it's going to be a benefit for the city

2560
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:19,440
but I think it's gonna be a benefit for

2561
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:20,520
the community

2562
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,100
on top of that so so I have a I have a

2563
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:24,659
couple questions so the current

2564
01:50:24,659 --> 01:50:26,580
concession supplies that are in there

2565
01:50:26,580 --> 01:50:28,739
that were paid for by the city what's

2566
01:50:28,739 --> 01:50:31,619
going to happen to those supplies are

2567
01:50:31,619 --> 01:50:34,020
they going to be reallocated together so

2568
01:50:34,020 --> 01:50:36,119
the the the reduction of supplies is

2569
01:50:36,119 --> 01:50:37,560
sixty thousand five hundred dollars

2570
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,800
that's the savings so what's the Forty

2571
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,540
thousand for

2572
01:50:42,540 --> 01:50:44,520
are we still putting supplies in the

2573
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,500
concession stand so yeah the remaining

2574
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:48,300
forty thousand is for the three is for

2575
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:49,500
the stands that are still open the

2576
01:50:49,500 --> 01:50:51,360
gymnasium and Aquatics facility okay yes

2577
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,860
yeah we're still operating those things

2578
01:50:52,860 --> 01:50:54,840
so but the the ones that are in the

2579
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:59,100
concession stand at at the at Shane

2580
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:00,900
Kelly and at

2581
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:03,420
um of the Sports Center Sports Complex

2582
01:51:03,420 --> 01:51:06,960
those ones are those those con those

2583
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,460
supplies are going to be reallocated to

2584
01:51:08,460 --> 01:51:10,139
the existence we reduce those completely

2585
01:51:10,139 --> 01:51:11,699
from the budget from those four stands

2586
01:51:11,699 --> 01:51:13,679
yes okay that's what he's asking is if

2587
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:15,239
there's stuff left over when they take

2588
01:51:15,239 --> 01:51:17,340
over we're giving them shells of

2589
01:51:17,340 --> 01:51:18,840
buildings not supplies that they're

2590
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,340
selling and keeping the profit that's

2591
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:21,840
one thing I didn't share with you as

2592
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,119
we're currently working on

2593
01:51:24,119 --> 01:51:26,639
um as part of their Amendment any of the

2594
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:28,560
equipment that's left in the stands the

2595
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,500
league is um willing to purchase that

2596
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:33,000
back from the city as part of their

2597
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:34,040
Amendment

2598
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:37,320
but what if we have a city event at

2599
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:40,199
those facilities now we're not going to

2600
01:51:40,199 --> 01:51:42,000
have access to the to the concession

2601
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,420
stands at the at the complex or Shane

2602
01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:47,699
Kelly yes that's something we would

2603
01:51:47,699 --> 01:51:49,560
still work in with them uh they would

2604
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,239
provide the opportunity to open

2605
01:51:51,239 --> 01:51:53,639
concessions for those events we don't

2606
01:51:53,639 --> 01:51:55,380
have any City events at those two

2607
01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:57,480
locations right now other than the the

2608
01:51:57,480 --> 01:51:59,760
crazed Crush Youth League games

2609
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:03,179
or the sports complex tournaments or

2610
01:52:03,179 --> 01:52:10,629
their own you know

2611
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:13,860
we did the project pressure way back

2612
01:52:13,860 --> 01:52:15,380
um

2613
01:52:15,380 --> 01:52:19,040
my issue is is we're giving we're giving

2614
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,739
you know something that you know piece

2615
01:52:22,739 --> 01:52:25,500
of our property you know over to them I

2616
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:27,600
mean there's a there's a lease agreement

2617
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,580
but then we're not entitled to use it

2618
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:32,040
anymore for anything that we may want to

2619
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:33,960
do right as part of the the agreement

2620
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,000
we're also going to require that if

2621
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,739
there's any usage in the in the complex

2622
01:52:37,739 --> 01:52:39,060
that they're going to be responsible for

2623
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:40,739
opening the stands for those groups so

2624
01:52:40,739 --> 01:52:43,080
if if a beetle B Ruth is not as complex

2625
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:44,820
but literally just using the you know

2626
01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:46,739
two fields for instance they would have

2627
01:52:46,739 --> 01:52:48,420
to open up the stand for that practice

2628
01:52:48,420 --> 01:52:50,940
same for a softball tournament same

2629
01:52:50,940 --> 01:52:52,320
thing just like for our adult softball

2630
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,179
teams that are City sponsored if we have

2631
01:52:54,179 --> 01:52:56,340
a games going on on Monday night out

2632
01:52:56,340 --> 01:52:58,020
there but there's no other activity in

2633
01:52:58,020 --> 01:53:00,360
the complex Oviedo Babe Ruth will be

2634
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:01,679
required to open up the stand for our

2635
01:53:01,679 --> 01:53:04,199
city-sponsored program okay okay and

2636
01:53:04,199 --> 01:53:06,659
that's that's a revenue generator for

2637
01:53:06,659 --> 01:53:08,040
for you guys I assuming you're going to

2638
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:09,960
be using volunteers right correct yeah

2639
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,139
so the volunteers uh basically of our

2640
01:53:13,139 --> 01:53:15,659
members of The League uh we are so we're

2641
01:53:15,659 --> 01:53:17,820
going to reach out to high schools and

2642
01:53:17,820 --> 01:53:19,739
stuff like that uh and try to do the

2643
01:53:19,739 --> 01:53:21,659
community service hours and stuff like

2644
01:53:21,659 --> 01:53:22,800
that

2645
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,600
okay be careful with that I haven't used

2646
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:25,980
to do that

2647
01:53:25,980 --> 01:53:27,960
we ate more popcorn than we sold yeah

2648
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:29,400
and there's also be a transition period

2649
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:30,300
with this

2650
01:53:30,300 --> 01:53:32,400
um If This Were to if we got the

2651
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:33,719
direction from Council this evening we

2652
01:53:33,719 --> 01:53:35,639
would use the month of September as a

2653
01:53:35,639 --> 01:53:37,199
slow transition period we would you know

2654
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:40,080
the leagues only take on one stand

2655
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,460
the other two stands would be monitored

2656
01:53:41,460 --> 01:53:42,719
by City staff so there could be a

2657
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:43,739
transition we're going to train their

2658
01:53:43,739 --> 01:53:45,060
staff we're also going to work them

2659
01:53:45,060 --> 01:53:46,860
through the tanks and

2660
01:53:46,860 --> 01:53:48,420
um as far as the equipment and show them

2661
01:53:48,420 --> 01:53:50,219
how to use it properly also make sure

2662
01:53:50,219 --> 01:53:51,900
that their staff or volunteers are

2663
01:53:51,900 --> 01:53:54,119
certified through the Safe Surf program

2664
01:53:54,119 --> 01:53:56,820
so no it sounds like a good plan

2665
01:53:56,820 --> 01:54:01,080
sale I'm not sold on that okay well

2666
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,060
greatest thing ever but it sounds like

2667
01:54:03,060 --> 01:54:06,119
you got consensus so we have consensus

2668
01:54:06,119 --> 01:54:07,619
right we have consensus okay all right

2669
01:54:07,619 --> 01:54:09,360
all right sorry Bob all right thank you

2670
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,020
thank you thank you Mr McCloskey

2671
01:54:13,020 --> 01:54:15,060
no appreciate it

2672
01:54:15,060 --> 01:54:17,340
all right all right we're back to

2673
01:54:17,340 --> 01:54:18,980
resolution

2674
01:54:18,980 --> 01:54:22,219
4364-23 Master land we use plan and

2675
01:54:22,219 --> 01:54:24,420
non-statutory development agreement plan

2676
01:54:24,420 --> 01:54:29,209
for Lockwood Village shopping center

2677
01:54:29,219 --> 01:54:31,380
thank you Deputy Mayor so we reached an

2678
01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:34,139
agreement uh we what we're going to do

2679
01:54:34,139 --> 01:54:38,000
so he is we're going to flip the the

2680
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,940
dumpsters the enclosure they are facing

2681
01:54:41,940 --> 01:54:44,280
now East

2682
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,340
now they're gonna face Southeast

2683
01:54:47,340 --> 01:54:49,380
so they are not gonna face

2684
01:54:49,380 --> 01:54:52,380
um if we can pull the the I got it

2685
01:54:52,380 --> 01:54:58,070
pictured

2686
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,179
yeah that okay with you guys

2687
01:55:00,179 --> 01:55:02,870
all right

2688
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,030
okay

2689
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:06,600
so it's not gonna face the restaurant

2690
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:10,679
anymore and uh what we agreed also is to

2691
01:55:10,679 --> 01:55:14,699
increase the the enclosure the walls and

2692
01:55:14,699 --> 01:55:17,760
then to enhance with landscape okay so

2693
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:19,139
they are not going to look at the

2694
01:55:19,139 --> 01:55:21,420
dumpsters it's going to be now facing

2695
01:55:21,420 --> 01:55:24,600
the drive aisle so where you see over

2696
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,260
there the South you know east corner

2697
01:55:28,260 --> 01:55:30,960
where you have the huge island that's

2698
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,020
where we're gonna put the dumpsters and

2699
01:55:34,020 --> 01:55:36,619
now they're gonna be facing 90 degrees

2700
01:55:36,619 --> 01:55:38,639
to the

2701
01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:42,000
um driving aisle that it's going you

2702
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,119
know to the east so that area is going

2703
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:48,659
where you have the dumpsters it's going

2704
01:55:48,659 --> 01:55:50,400
to be moved and over there you're gonna

2705
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:54,119
have dumpsters to move higher walls more

2706
01:55:54,119 --> 01:55:56,659
Landscaping more landscape enough

2707
01:55:56,659 --> 01:55:59,400
so that little curved area

2708
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:00,960
Corner that's where the dumpsters are

2709
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:02,340
going to go yes there's some Landscaping

2710
01:56:02,340 --> 01:56:03,960
in there and then you'll move the

2711
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,840
Landscaping over a little bit yeah okay

2712
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,119
all right okay everyone's agreeing and

2713
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:11,639
we are going to I'm going to um we're

2714
01:56:11,639 --> 01:56:14,159
gonna communicate now with the

2715
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,199
um tenants and we are going to send to

2716
01:56:16,199 --> 01:56:19,320
them just so that we need to make any of

2717
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:23,639
that in our in the motion or are we good

2718
01:56:23,639 --> 01:56:26,340
we need words we can trust you and I can

2719
01:56:26,340 --> 01:56:29,699
sign this on Friday so we're so we're

2720
01:56:29,699 --> 01:56:30,960
not signing something tonight I want to

2721
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:32,760
make sure that the words that we come up

2722
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:34,980
with in this agreement is reflected I

2723
01:56:34,980 --> 01:56:36,540
think you approved with the condition

2724
01:56:36,540 --> 01:56:38,400
that the conceptual development plan is

2725
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:42,179
is is amended and the side plan reflects

2726
01:56:42,179 --> 01:56:44,780
you know the amendment to show the

2727
01:56:44,780 --> 01:56:48,060
dumpsters at that location where you

2728
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:49,860
have the island

2729
01:56:49,860 --> 01:56:51,659
um not facing the restaurant so not

2730
01:56:51,659 --> 01:56:53,460
facing the shopping center facing the

2731
01:56:53,460 --> 01:56:57,900
South you know East portion with higher

2732
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:00,600
enclosures and enhanced landscape around

2733
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:01,800
it

2734
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:04,940
okay I move we do what she just said

2735
01:57:04,940 --> 01:57:08,040
can we also add a second can we add one

2736
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:09,480
other thing

2737
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:11,040
that we don't have to amend the

2738
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:15,000
architectural design order to do this

2739
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,520
you've already approved it back in June

2740
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:20,639
and I would appreciate that we can do

2741
01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:22,560
these these adjustments without having

2742
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:23,760
to think that they're going to change

2743
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,699
right yeah it doesn't change the

2744
01:57:26,699 --> 01:57:29,340
materials no so that's what we approved

2745
01:57:29,340 --> 01:57:31,320
yeah I just want to make sure because of

2746
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:33,060
the Mr developer can you do this as a

2747
01:57:33,060 --> 01:57:35,099
field change

2748
01:57:35,099 --> 01:57:38,810
okay uh

2749
01:57:38,820 --> 01:57:41,340
we got Pastor bedtime

2750
01:57:41,340 --> 01:57:44,040
at least we're not Winter Springs yet

2751
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:45,900
so

2752
01:57:45,900 --> 01:57:49,080
Okay so

2753
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,060
all right so basically what I would

2754
01:57:51,060 --> 01:57:52,920
recommend is this make it make a motion

2755
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,099
to adopt the resolution

2756
01:57:56,099 --> 01:57:59,460
uh with the

2757
01:57:59,460 --> 01:58:04,020
changes that were addressed by Dr Correa

2758
01:58:04,020 --> 01:58:06,900
in that the dumpster area will be

2759
01:58:06,900 --> 01:58:10,679
relocated facing the southeast and that

2760
01:58:10,679 --> 01:58:12,599
there will be taller Walls and More

2761
01:58:12,599 --> 01:58:16,199
landscaping and did I cover everything

2762
01:58:16,199 --> 01:58:20,280
and that that has to be all done as part

2763
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:21,960
of the stock development

2764
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:27,709
I move we have adopt resolution 4364-23

2765
01:58:27,719 --> 01:58:30,260
on the condition that we add in language

2766
01:58:30,260 --> 01:58:33,239
that the angle of the dumpsters will be

2767
01:58:33,239 --> 01:58:35,400
shifted to the southeast the walls will

2768
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:38,460
be higher by an amount of

2769
01:58:38,460 --> 01:58:39,840
two feet

2770
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,380
and additional Landscaping in the form

2771
01:58:43,380 --> 01:58:45,900
of

2772
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:49,679
bushes trees and other it that it will

2773
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:52,560
not pay a buffer an opaque okay A little

2774
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,840
pig buffer I like that something that we

2775
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:58,199
cannot tell is a wall so much vegetation

2776
01:58:58,199 --> 01:59:01,790
we can't tell it's a wall

2777
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:03,780
I think that's the motion no that is the

2778
01:59:03,780 --> 01:59:05,760
motion is that the motion I don't know

2779
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,800
if I said a complete sentence is the

2780
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:09,659
last thing but second you get the idea

2781
01:59:09,659 --> 01:59:11,880
we have a motion in a second

2782
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:14,930
a discussion

2783
01:59:14,940 --> 01:59:16,320
all right I'm glad we were able to

2784
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,500
resolve this tonight so everybody can

2785
01:59:19,500 --> 01:59:20,699
move forward

2786
01:59:20,699 --> 01:59:22,320
okay and thank you for coming and

2787
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,599
speaking

2788
01:59:24,599 --> 01:59:26,159
oh yes we can

2789
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:30,169
all those in favor say aye aye

2790
01:59:30,179 --> 01:59:31,680
thank you so much thank you

2791
01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:36,890
[Music]

2792
01:59:36,900 --> 01:59:39,300
okay city managers report I have no

2793
01:59:39,300 --> 01:59:41,940
report deputy mayor all right City

2794
01:59:41,940 --> 01:59:43,739
attorney's report

2795
01:59:43,739 --> 01:59:46,139
Mr Deputy Mayor good evening mayor

2796
01:59:46,139 --> 01:59:47,219
council

2797
01:59:47,219 --> 01:59:49,500
I just wanted to report that at the last

2798
01:59:49,500 --> 01:59:51,840
meeting you requested that I send a

2799
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:53,639
request for an advisory opinion to the

2800
01:59:53,639 --> 01:59:55,619
division of Elections

2801
01:59:55,619 --> 01:59:58,199
um pertaining to

2802
01:59:58,199 --> 02:00:01,560
um whether the city's authorized to post

2803
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:03,239
factual information about the bond

2804
02:00:03,239 --> 02:00:06,060
referendum on its social media as well

2805
02:00:06,060 --> 02:00:08,460
as website and just wanted to let you

2806
02:00:08,460 --> 02:00:11,699
know that that request was sent on

2807
02:00:11,699 --> 02:00:14,340
August 14th the division of Elections

2808
02:00:14,340 --> 02:00:17,699
confirmed receipt on August 16th and in

2809
02:00:17,699 --> 02:00:19,560
the request I did include a statement of

2810
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,260
necessity for an expedited response so

2811
02:00:22,260 --> 02:00:24,659
hoping to hear back soon

2812
02:00:24,659 --> 02:00:28,440
thank you okay thank you

2813
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:30,179
council member Britton

2814
02:00:30,179 --> 02:00:33,960
uh real quick just want to

2815
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:35,820
kind of update on the league of cities

2816
02:00:35,820 --> 02:00:37,500
conference that we went to last week it

2817
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:39,770
was

2818
02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:41,280
you don't always go to every every

2819
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,900
session they have but they had some good

2820
02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:44,480
sessions on

2821
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:47,900
the effects of artificial intelligence

2822
02:00:47,900 --> 02:00:52,020
they had a couple CNN anchors on there

2823
02:00:52,020 --> 02:00:53,900
that gave a pretty pretty cool

2824
02:00:53,900 --> 02:00:56,699
presentation on on the state of things

2825
02:00:56,699 --> 02:00:59,099
that we have in our country and maybe

2826
02:00:59,099 --> 02:01:01,199
the need to tone it down a little bit

2827
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:05,099
and I'll wait to see that from them

2828
02:01:05,099 --> 02:01:07,199
one conversation I had was with a group

2829
02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:09,199
that's

2830
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:12,659
vendor for this program called red speed

2831
02:01:12,659 --> 02:01:14,520
and chief I've I've talked to you about

2832
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:18,119
it uh it's a program that the state

2833
02:01:18,119 --> 02:01:19,980
legislatures have passed into the law

2834
02:01:19,980 --> 02:01:23,340
where they would put speed cameras up in

2835
02:01:23,340 --> 02:01:24,659
school zones

2836
02:01:24,659 --> 02:01:26,099
and it'll

2837
02:01:26,099 --> 02:01:27,900
have a sign they're saying you're on

2838
02:01:27,900 --> 02:01:31,199
camera any car going over uh 10 miles an

2839
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,480
hour over the limit in the school zone

2840
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:34,679
gets a hundred dollar ticket

2841
02:01:34,679 --> 02:01:36,960
automatically

2842
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,300
I think that's a good idea that there

2843
02:01:39,300 --> 02:01:41,159
was a report on the news the other night

2844
02:01:41,159 --> 02:01:43,260
that I think Winter Garden has already

2845
02:01:43,260 --> 02:01:46,139
implemented it and it's it's pretty easy

2846
02:01:46,139 --> 02:01:47,580
to see there's a sign that said you're

2847
02:01:47,580 --> 02:01:49,139
on camera and here's your speed and if

2848
02:01:49,139 --> 02:01:50,099
you don't slow down you're going to get

2849
02:01:50,099 --> 02:01:52,199
a hundred dollar ticket so Chief I know

2850
02:01:52,199 --> 02:01:54,179
you wanted to to work with the county on

2851
02:01:54,179 --> 02:01:57,420
this but I I'd hate to wait to let that

2852
02:01:57,420 --> 02:01:59,639
bureaucracy take effect is there any way

2853
02:01:59,639 --> 02:02:00,540
we can

2854
02:02:00,540 --> 02:02:02,400
take some steps and get out in front of

2855
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:07,689
this and maybe be the leaders on this

2856
02:02:07,699 --> 02:02:11,400
okay I'm not advocating the fellow I

2857
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:14,580
talked to was very very impressive uh

2858
02:02:14,580 --> 02:02:16,800
so but I'm not advocating a particular

2859
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:18,599
vendor just just want to see if we can

2860
02:02:18,599 --> 02:02:20,820
go find someone that can do this and

2861
02:02:20,820 --> 02:02:23,280
take the lead and do what we normally do

2862
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:26,040
lead lead stuff shouldn't we vet it a

2863
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:27,780
little bit more just to make sure that

2864
02:02:27,780 --> 02:02:29,040
there's no there's always going to look

2865
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,380
at it may make sure it doesn't because I

2866
02:02:31,380 --> 02:02:33,179
think there's some legislation that had

2867
02:02:33,179 --> 02:02:35,219
to do with red light ticketing uh red

2868
02:02:35,219 --> 02:02:37,320
light cameras this last season I know

2869
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:39,239
comes up over and over again and and it

2870
02:02:39,239 --> 02:02:41,280
there's this red light cameras this was

2871
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,980
school zone I get it the red light in a

2872
02:02:43,980 --> 02:02:45,540
school zone may be kind of different

2873
02:02:45,540 --> 02:02:47,280
things but I think there will be some

2874
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:48,420
pushback

2875
02:02:48,420 --> 02:02:50,280
well I hope there is because I go

2876
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:51,599
through school zones all the time and I

2877
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:55,080
get past like crazy especially on 419.

2878
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:57,540
uh I've been hit

2879
02:02:57,540 --> 02:02:59,099
by a bunch of emails from different

2880
02:02:59,099 --> 02:03:01,260
vendors on the same thing once once the

2881
02:03:01,260 --> 02:03:03,239
bill was passed it only specifically

2882
02:03:03,239 --> 02:03:05,840
governs school zones during school times

2883
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:07,980
is effectively a red light camera

2884
02:03:07,980 --> 02:03:09,900
instead of a camera a red light is for

2885
02:03:09,900 --> 02:03:12,420
Speed yeah and uh it's a flat rate

2886
02:03:12,420 --> 02:03:15,119
already already decided to pass by the

2887
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:18,000
state legislator for all uh all of

2888
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:19,040
Florida

2889
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:21,540
I've we had a Chiefs meeting the other

2890
02:03:21,540 --> 02:03:23,520
day and it doesn't appear to anybody in

2891
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,260
the county is ready to move forward on

2892
02:03:25,260 --> 02:03:28,139
it uh any any municipalities or the

2893
02:03:28,139 --> 02:03:30,540
county itself but we'll start looking

2894
02:03:30,540 --> 02:03:33,540
into it and see where we go with this

2895
02:03:33,540 --> 02:03:35,940
for what vendor and what it'll take and

2896
02:03:35,940 --> 02:03:38,520
what the costs are and all of that so

2897
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:41,520
okay I don't

2898
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,860
try to keep in my mind what what school

2899
02:03:43,860 --> 02:03:45,659
zones we have in the city and I think

2900
02:03:45,659 --> 02:03:49,800
there's only uh on 419 maybe on Alafaya

2901
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:51,199
Woods Boulevard

2902
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:53,880
depending on depending on where they

2903
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:56,040
what roads they allow them on and I

2904
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:57,599
can't I don't I don't I can't give you

2905
02:03:57,599 --> 02:03:59,880
that answer Mitchell hammock and uh

2906
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:02,219
Alfie Woods Boulevard yeah it's a

2907
02:04:02,219 --> 02:04:04,440
signalized intersection but still yeah I

2908
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:06,000
don't yeah I don't see the sign hanging

2909
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,340
over the road saying you know 20 miles

2910
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:09,960
an hour when the lights flashing like

2911
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:11,760
they have correct uh in front of

2912
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:15,360
stenstrom uh in front of by just by

2913
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:16,860
every Elementary School somewhere

2914
02:04:16,860 --> 02:04:18,960
there's probably one parking's got one

2915
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,320
on our street on Twin Rivers Boulevard

2916
02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:25,310
Alfie Woods Boulevard

2917
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:26,880
off the top of my head that's the two

2918
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:31,199
Live Oak has one yeah that would

2919
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:34,440
probably be yeah I just uh I think it's

2920
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,500
attractive to me because I I see us

2921
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:39,840
every day people driving like

2922
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,540
Knuckleheads and if anything can keep

2923
02:04:42,540 --> 02:04:45,179
them aware of their surroundings I think

2924
02:04:45,179 --> 02:04:47,699
it's a good thing okay we'll take a look

2925
02:04:47,699 --> 02:04:50,159
into it okay all right that's all I have

2926
02:04:50,159 --> 02:04:52,199
all right

2927
02:04:52,199 --> 02:04:53,820
council member Tucker is not here

2928
02:04:53,820 --> 02:04:56,340
tonight Madame mayor

2929
02:04:56,340 --> 02:04:58,800
on League of cities this

2930
02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:00,659
I got a little note that I have

2931
02:05:00,659 --> 02:05:01,860
officially been appointed to the

2932
02:05:01,860 --> 02:05:03,360
taxation committee and I'm very excited

2933
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:04,920
about that because

2934
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:07,020
um part of their wrap up at the league

2935
02:05:07,020 --> 02:05:08,580
and I was not on that committee I was on

2936
02:05:08,580 --> 02:05:10,679
land use this last year but the taxation

2937
02:05:10,679 --> 02:05:13,860
committee uh was they listed as the hot

2938
02:05:13,860 --> 02:05:16,679
bills to watch the pair bills that were

2939
02:05:16,679 --> 02:05:19,020
inspired by Oviedo and the once at sales

2940
02:05:19,020 --> 02:05:21,239
tax and expanding its use to be allowed

2941
02:05:21,239 --> 02:05:24,300
for maintenance in addition to Capital

2942
02:05:24,300 --> 02:05:26,520
expenditures so I'm looking forward to

2943
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:28,199
digging into that on I think it's

2944
02:05:28,199 --> 02:05:30,119
September 8th as the first policy

2945
02:05:30,119 --> 02:05:31,380
meeting

2946
02:05:31,380 --> 02:05:33,840
and also the original bills that were

2947
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:36,300
filed last year are coming back both of

2948
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:39,540
those sponsors are open to if we can

2949
02:05:39,540 --> 02:05:41,099
address some of the concerns that kept

2950
02:05:41,099 --> 02:05:43,080
them from moving last season they're

2951
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,179
they're both open to to file them again

2952
02:05:45,179 --> 02:05:47,340
so I'm really hopeful that we can get

2953
02:05:47,340 --> 02:05:48,239
this done

2954
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:50,840
and are you on a committee yes

2955
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,460
taxation okay which I have done before

2956
02:05:53,460 --> 02:05:55,380
and it was not exciting but I'm really

2957
02:05:55,380 --> 02:05:57,060
excited about this pair of bills so I'm

2958
02:05:57,060 --> 02:05:58,739
going to power through it because we

2959
02:05:58,739 --> 02:06:00,599
need all the whole state get excited

2960
02:06:00,599 --> 02:06:03,119
about it okay I'm on the transportation

2961
02:06:03,119 --> 02:06:06,000
and uh yeah you're like Transportation

2962
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,980
guy how many years have you been on that

2963
02:06:07,980 --> 02:06:09,360
one

2964
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:12,540
I'm glad you do it maybe yeah that I

2965
02:06:12,540 --> 02:06:14,760
poked my head in there and it's not as

2966
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,880
exciting as land use oh we have fun

2967
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:19,500
uh and one other thing I wanted to let

2968
02:06:19,500 --> 02:06:21,060
you guys know about is there is a guy

2969
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:24,239
named Mr Young who noticed a problem a

2970
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:25,679
while ago and in one of our

2971
02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:27,300
neighborhoods and that is that there was

2972
02:06:27,300 --> 02:06:29,760
no place for the kids who were coming to

2973
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:31,440
the bus stop to hang out so he went and

2974
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:33,179
he had stalled a bench at his own

2975
02:06:33,179 --> 02:06:35,639
expense in his house uh you know it's

2976
02:06:35,639 --> 02:06:37,320
kind of by the sidewalk and then he

2977
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:38,940
planted trees

2978
02:06:38,940 --> 02:06:40,440
and they've been there for a while and I

2979
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:42,179
think the city recognized him at the

2980
02:06:42,179 --> 02:06:44,340
time but this post has gone viral guys

2981
02:06:44,340 --> 02:06:46,320
everybody uh in the whole country now

2982
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:49,440
knows about Mr Young and the really cool

2983
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:51,239
thing he did seeing a problem he just

2984
02:06:51,239 --> 02:06:52,860
saw this so I wanted to give him a shout

2985
02:06:52,860 --> 02:06:54,179
out because

2986
02:06:54,179 --> 02:06:56,340
it was just really cool seeing that he's

2987
02:06:56,340 --> 02:06:58,020
like oh no big deal I know how to do

2988
02:06:58,020 --> 02:06:59,880
this I'll fix it and and he did so

2989
02:06:59,880 --> 02:07:01,920
that's an inspiration to all of us too

2990
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:05,280
we see a problem just fix it man

2991
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:07,679
that's all I got great council member

2992
02:07:07,679 --> 02:07:08,699
Pollock

2993
02:07:08,699 --> 02:07:10,880
I've got another report

2994
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:12,179
[Music]

2995
02:07:12,179 --> 02:07:13,850
while you're out this time too

2996
02:07:13,850 --> 02:07:15,300
[Music]

2997
02:07:15,300 --> 02:07:17,760
um just a couple of things uh obviously

2998
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,280
there was a great Optical peers coming

2999
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:23,099
in and xanier that's uh always good to

3000
02:07:23,099 --> 02:07:24,960
see them so that was great do you know

3001
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:27,179
what they're going to use that money for

3002
02:07:27,179 --> 02:07:29,580
not yet not yet they'll come back and

3003
02:07:29,580 --> 02:07:34,260
let us know dog food dog food yeah and

3004
02:07:34,260 --> 02:07:36,239
officer Bongo I just we found he's going

3005
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:38,520
to be our second motorcycle officer all

3006
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:40,739
right congratulations to you sir that is

3007
02:07:40,739 --> 02:07:42,719
great stuff

3008
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:44,400
cheap one more thing I had a few things

3009
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:45,960
for you tonight but one more thing was

3010
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:48,239
uh I would sit down in South Florida

3011
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:50,699
this week and I went by and I was

3012
02:07:50,699 --> 02:07:52,199
telling Mr Cobb I went by the Fort

3013
02:07:52,199 --> 02:07:53,820
Lauderdale Police Department and it is

3014
02:07:53,820 --> 02:07:55,679
being torn down being rebuilt and that

3015
02:07:55,679 --> 02:07:58,260
was curious if we could find out how

3016
02:07:58,260 --> 02:08:00,179
they're doing that what is her plan to

3017
02:08:00,179 --> 02:08:03,060
do it and how it's being funded Mr Cobbs

3018
02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:04,619
suggested maybe you could reach out to

3019
02:08:04,619 --> 02:08:06,239
your counterpart and see if maybe you

3020
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:07,619
could find out anything or know somebody

3021
02:08:07,619 --> 02:08:10,280
down there that could find anything out

3022
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,780
yeah it looks like they're completely

3023
02:08:12,780 --> 02:08:15,000
tearing down the building and rebuilding

3024
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,340
it but they had to fund it somehow I was

3025
02:08:17,340 --> 02:08:18,719
curious how they were funding it and

3026
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:20,820
what was their plan

3027
02:08:20,820 --> 02:08:23,040
property taxes property taxes the

3028
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,500
highest in the country

3029
02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:27,840
donut but I thought was interesting

3030
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,300
especially since it's a hot topic for us

3031
02:08:30,300 --> 02:08:32,099
so

3032
02:08:32,099 --> 02:08:34,850
um

3033
02:08:34,860 --> 02:08:36,719
and obviously uh

3034
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:38,880
the research I know that Mr shank had

3035
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:40,739
asked about research I know you kind of

3036
02:08:40,739 --> 02:08:42,000
addressed a little bit Yeah if there's

3037
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,260
anything

3038
02:08:43,260 --> 02:08:45,599
great I'm glad we were able to work out

3039
02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:48,119
the situation with the longhorn and Cafe

3040
02:08:48,119 --> 02:08:49,920
penuzo I'm glad we could come to our

3041
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:51,780
agreement on that appreciate everybody's

3042
02:08:51,780 --> 02:08:54,540
work on that scat troop 787 they're

3043
02:08:54,540 --> 02:08:56,639
already gone to bed so but thanks for

3044
02:08:56,639 --> 02:08:59,400
them for for coming in tonight and uh

3045
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:01,320
that was good Paul that was a great idea

3046
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:03,000
with the concessions thing I think

3047
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:04,380
that's uh that's going to be a winner

3048
02:09:04,380 --> 02:09:06,239
there so appreciate how you're looking

3049
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:07,920
at parks and rec as a business and

3050
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:09,840
really trying to find a ways there to

3051
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:11,219
improve it and really looking at the

3052
02:09:11,219 --> 02:09:13,920
money so great job there there and

3053
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:17,219
that's all I got uh future meeting dates

3054
02:09:17,219 --> 02:09:19,800
uh Monday August 28th we have a work

3055
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:22,020
session that is still

3056
02:09:22,020 --> 02:09:25,380
uh Thursday August uh September 7th is a

3057
02:09:25,380 --> 02:09:27,599
budget CRA governing board tentative

3058
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:30,119
tentative actually you're going to have

3059
02:09:30,119 --> 02:09:32,159
a meeting but it's a different topic you

3060
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:35,520
did your budget tonight so okay

3061
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:38,040
Thursday September 7th we have a budget

3062
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:40,860
regular session with Council

3063
02:09:40,860 --> 02:09:43,500
Monday September 18th at 6 30 we have

3064
02:09:43,500 --> 02:09:45,840
budget regular session

3065
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:49,260
and Monday is September 25th is a work

3066
02:09:49,260 --> 02:09:51,060
session tentative it's still tentative

3067
02:09:51,060 --> 02:09:53,580
still tentative all right

3068
02:09:53,580 --> 02:09:56,219
anything else for the good of the order

3069
02:09:56,219 --> 02:09:59,300
we are adjourned