[0:00] and I'd love to get a picture of you
[0:02] guys because I've got like the best view
[0:05] so I can figure out how to get my camera
[0:06] to work don't worry about it
[0:19] please
[0:32] like Jonah
[0:38] don't know
[0:42] if you could all join me in a moment of
[0:44] silence
[1:01] thank you
[1:02] I like to call this meeting order this
[1:04] is Monday August 21st of uh 2023 at 6
[1:09] 30. we have four of the five council
[1:11] members of President we are missing uh
[1:14] councilwoman Tucker tonight
[1:16] our first order of business is we have a
[1:18] recognition of our comfort canine
[1:21] exander and officer Ashley Pierce
[1:41] [Music]
[2:11] would you be able to share just a few
[2:14] words about the the contest that that
[2:16] these guys won sure after Mass services
[2:18] holds a canine Grant every year this
[2:21] year we had over 700 entries Nationwide
[2:24] and her entry with Xander got first our
[2:29] second place in the tier so um they were
[2:32] rewarded a thousand dollars for the
[2:34] canine program
[2:36] [Applause]
[2:38] uh so we are so grateful for this
[2:41] additional funding and so grateful for
[2:43] officer Pierce and Xander and all that
[2:45] they do for our community did everybody
[2:47] get a chance to pet Xander hopefully out
[2:49] there good
[3:21] night
[3:35] area
[3:42] thank you
[4:29] all right
[4:31] okay
[4:33] that was very nice that was up always
[4:36] great to do one of those things all
[4:37] right next up I have approval of the
[4:39] minutes for May 24 23 special session
[4:41] and June 5th regular session Mr chair
[4:44] I'll make a motion to approve the May
[4:46] 24th and June 5th meetings second all
[4:50] right I have a motion in a second any
[4:52] discussion
[4:53] all right I'll call the boat all those
[4:54] in favor say aye aye
[4:56] opposed name okay
[5:01] [Music]
[5:03] what's with people outside are watching
[5:06] the talk to the people I want to make
[5:07] sure they hear us I like them when I can
[5:09] hear you gotta talk right into them okay
[5:11] on the public comment I do have some uh
[5:16] Quest public comment
[5:19] I see two of them are for
[5:23] the two ordinances did you all want to
[5:26] speak when we do the ordinances you want
[5:27] to speak now
[5:29] we can go ahead and do it now
[5:32] so first up will be uh Mr Shank
[5:37] [Music]
[5:43] hello everybody uh Stephen shank 112
[5:46] Boardwalk Avenue Oviedo I'm just here
[5:49] about the uh I know it's only first
[5:51] reading uh or a setting scheduled first
[5:54] reading but to get some ideas and stuff
[5:55] thoughts in the head about golf carts
[5:58] and the upcoming uh ordinance uh first
[6:01] uh you know it's mentioned in there the
[6:04] extensive research that's done but
[6:06] there's absolutely nothing attached to
[6:08] that packet that shows any research has
[6:10] done whatsoever
[6:11] to give you any idea of why what where
[6:14] when how
[6:15] and what went into putting this together
[6:17] so you know if I can get that tomorrow
[6:19] that'd be great but uh you know that
[6:21] that's what I'd like to see first and
[6:22] foremost is the research that was done
[6:25] um why who's looking for this uh what
[6:28] brought this forward what groups groups
[6:30] Etc have brought this forward to make
[6:32] this uh put motion
[6:35] uh what areas are going to be most
[6:37] affected as part of that research what
[6:38] areas are going to be most affected uh
[6:41] that you again that the research points
[6:42] out that will be getting
[6:44] the most traffic from golf carts uh
[6:47] things like that
[6:48] uh how did you determine that golf carts
[6:51] May safely be operational on city
[6:52] streets there that stated in there as
[6:54] part of thing that it was determined
[6:56] that they could be safely on city
[6:57] streets what was that determination how
[6:59] is that done
[7:01] reports mechanisms Etc uh why was
[7:04] Chapman and them all specifically left
[7:07] out those seem two interesting thoughts
[7:09] especially Chapman to me since the back
[7:12] end is almost rural it's an interesting
[7:15] thought that that was designated to not
[7:17] have any golf cart traffic on it
[7:20] as far as cost there's it says costs who
[7:23] knows you know some estimate of the cost
[7:26] that's going to be involved in not only
[7:27] registration that should theoretically
[7:30] take care of itself never does but
[7:31] should theoretically take care of the
[7:33] cost of administration
[7:36] but of taking care of the officers and
[7:40] everybody enforcing those uh things we
[7:42] already have golf carts that are in
[7:44] multiple neighborhoods and are I'm going
[7:47] to say the word problematic but they're
[7:48] problematic they ride on the sidewalk
[7:49] they're out on the street they have kids
[7:50] riding etc etc how will that solve this
[7:54] problem because that's illegal currently
[7:56] so how does this help change that which
[7:59] is already happening
[8:01] um
[8:02] and have you gone around to any
[8:04] neighbors the neighborhoods that will be
[8:05] affected uh and said you know this is
[8:08] what we're thinking this is what we're
[8:09] looking at what do you propose I live on
[8:12] Oviedo in a park I figure that's one of
[8:14] the areas that's it's already has golf
[8:15] carts come through
[8:17] some of them street legal which is
[8:19] currently legal if you have a Street
[8:20] Legal golf cart
[8:22] you can drive that currently
[8:24] so you're adding in what looks like
[8:26] almost Street Legal golf carts if you
[8:28] look at the definition of what you need
[8:30] to have it and then a license from the
[8:32] city
[8:34] um if you want to designate certain
[8:35] areas that are allowed and those areas
[8:37] want it I'm all for it but that would be
[8:41] the step to me not
[8:43] broaden compassing and then trying to
[8:45] come back and say well these areas don't
[8:47] like it thank you for your time thank
[8:49] you sir
[8:54] okay next up I have a Donald Terry
[9:03] hi uh thank you for allowing me to speak
[9:06] Donald Terry 1911 silverweed way
[9:10] I live across the street from the mall
[9:12] and the townhouses I was here previously
[9:16] at the zoning board talking about the
[9:18] units that are being developed in front
[9:21] of the mall and that strip on the
[9:23] boulevard I would like to address this
[9:26] 557 unit multi-family residents
[9:29] developed next door to the dwell
[9:33] so we got the dwell which is 300 units
[9:37] let's say so that's 600 cars so now you
[9:41] want to add a
[9:43] 557 unit I mean that's a big amount of
[9:47] people so that's 1100 cards
[9:51] and the only way in and out is Sugar
[9:53] Mill or is there going to be another way
[9:56] in or out that little that other little
[10:00] street that goes to West Broadway I mean
[10:03] Maggie new had told me that that would
[10:05] be one of the exits for the dwell
[10:08] but I don't see another way out for this
[10:11] 557 unit
[10:14] monstrosity that you're putting up in
[10:17] another Woods I mean
[10:19] I understand this is Florida you need to
[10:22] develop there's rules about development
[10:25] but does it have to be so massive
[10:27] I mean I understand it has to be so big
[10:30] it covers the expenses for the developer
[10:33] covers a lot of things for the developer
[10:35] it'll be very profitable with that many
[10:37] units but I mean
[10:40] it reaches a point here in Oviedo where
[10:43] there's not going to be any woods
[10:45] anywhere it's just going to be
[10:47] wall-to-wall Apartments retail Banks
[10:51] dentist office
[10:53] the traffic
[10:55] so you put up a light where there's
[10:57] Sugar Mill
[10:59] off of a Rita of of you know Mall
[11:03] Boulevard but if you're driving east
[11:06] from the mall over 417 and you want to
[11:09] turn in a Sugar Mill there's no turning
[11:11] lane
[11:12] what are you going to do with 1100
[11:14] people who want to get into
[11:16] those the dwell and the other new unit
[11:19] it says here there's no uh expense for
[11:24] improvements to the developer
[11:27] uh can't they pay for something
[11:31] um so I I'm very much against this
[11:36] of course I don't have very much support
[11:38] I have one other guy here who who agrees
[11:42] with me
[11:43] um and I presume then there's another
[11:45] public meeting after this September one
[11:47] or something like that do I need to
[11:49] bring more people to get a voice
[11:51] um I don't know it's you read in on
[11:54] Facebook all the time oh there's too
[11:56] much development too much development
[11:57] Oviedo but
[11:59] no one shows up no one cares I don't
[12:03] know
[12:04] it's when I moved here 12 years ago was
[12:07] a little teeny town no traffic now you
[12:10] could barely make a turn you can't pull
[12:12] a lot of Culver's those little retail
[12:15] shops in West Broadway that have the
[12:17] drill behind it you can't pull a lot of
[12:19] those it's very hard to pull into those
[12:21] so I don't know
[12:25] it reaches a point where it's absurd I
[12:28] think and 550 units just sounds like a
[12:31] monstrosity that's all I have to say
[12:33] thank you great thank you
[12:39] I have two for the resolution do you all
[12:41] want to speak at the resolution
[12:48] okay next up is the consent agenda what
[12:51] is the pleasure of council I move we
[12:53] approve the consent agenda but take
[12:55] number nine separately please
[12:58] so uh approved consent agenda items
[13:01] number four through eight please
[13:04] which one which one you want to remove
[13:06] uh item nine nine
[13:09] second
[13:10] all right I have a motion in a second
[13:12] any discussion
[13:15] [Music]
[13:17] okay
[13:18] so the motion is to approve agenda
[13:21] except removing number nine
[13:23] number nine would go into
[13:26] discussion item
[13:29] that would be number uh
[13:31] attendee or 9A no Stephanie mayor just
[13:35] make it 9A and we'll consider it
[13:38] separately okay
[13:41] okay so we had the motion and a second
[13:43] all those in favor say aye aye
[13:47] okay now let's do 9A
[14:00] and not for no need on my end to do a
[14:03] big formal presentation I read the
[14:05] packet so I've just hoping we can
[14:07] consider it separately oh thank you
[14:12] okay so we get resolution number
[14:15] 4366-23 FY 2022 23 Florida recreational
[14:19] development assistance program Grant
[14:21] application for Riverside Park
[14:24] Mr Cobb how shall we proceed uh thank
[14:27] you Deputy Mayor this is request for
[14:29] Council to approve the submittal of a
[14:32] Grant application for the Ferd app the
[14:35] Florida Recreation development uh
[14:39] I'm not sure on the AP but it's it's a
[14:42] recreation Grant to the State of Florida
[14:44] and to authorize a work order with rmpk
[14:47] funding who is our grant writer for uh
[14:50] four thousand dollars for the
[14:51] preparation in the submittal of the
[14:53] Grant application the Grant application
[14:55] is for Riverside Park and still new
[14:58] improvements to the uh multi-purpose
[15:01] field down below where The Pavilions are
[15:04] also to bring in picnic areas as well as
[15:07] create an official dog park which we
[15:09] know from past history that a lot of
[15:12] folks use that area as a unofficial doc
[15:15] Park and so the staff is looking at the
[15:17] idea of actually creating a smaller
[15:19] version of the BART card which is up at
[15:21] Shane Kelly Park uh and then also to do
[15:24] some resurfacing of the uh of the
[15:27] parking lot uh Mr Mr Belden is here uh
[15:30] to answer any questions the city's
[15:33] policy requires Council approval for us
[15:35] to be able to submit the application so
[15:37] that's why we have this on the agenda
[15:39] tonight we're seeking your approval to
[15:41] submit the application it is a four
[15:43] hundred thousand dollar Grant uh the
[15:45] first grant program requires the city
[15:48] fund to fund the full 400 000 up front
[15:52] and then after the Project's done we
[15:54] would seek reimbursement for two hundred
[15:56] thousand dollars it's sort of a
[15:57] one-to-one funding ratio
[16:00] um Mr Bill is there any other items that
[16:02] we need have I covered everything
[16:04] okay so uh it's recommended that city
[16:06] council adopt resolution number 4366-23
[16:11] okay
[16:14] well it's a pleasure of council
[16:16] [Music]
[16:19] Mr chairman I'll move to approve
[16:21] resolution number 4366-2-3
[16:26] oh second it
[16:27] all right Motion in a second any
[16:29] discussion oh Brian did you say is this
[16:32] a one-to-one match it is it's uh so the
[16:36] state Grant is for 200 000 the city's
[16:38] match would be 200 000 okay yes all
[16:41] right
[16:42] I think that's all I had to be cleared
[16:45] up I've
[16:48] is the four thousand dollars for the
[16:50] preparation is that a standard fee for
[16:53] for a new Grant uh yes for our for our
[16:56] grant writer to produce that he what he
[16:58] will do is if you prepare the grant
[17:00] itself submit it but then he'll also dog
[17:02] it through the process of addressing any
[17:05] type of questions that the state may
[17:06] have and then he also assists us on the
[17:09] back end once if we are if we get funded
[17:11] then he also assists us with the reports
[17:14] medals uh our annual report submittals
[17:17] after we get the grant okay
[17:19] that sounds like money well spent is are
[17:22] we going to need to uh notify our
[17:24] lobbyists
[17:25] for any help with this we usually do uh
[17:28] anytime that we submit a grant we also
[17:29] let Mr commodity know so that there's
[17:31] anything that he can assist with okay
[17:33] thank you okay
[17:36] Mr Belden I've got a question for you uh
[17:39] so I mean we're we're taking 200 000
[17:44] basically out of out of our our city
[17:47] funds to to take to
[17:50] work on these projects this was an area
[17:53] that was completely underwater when the
[17:56] the hurricane came through well these
[17:58] improvements if something like that were
[18:00] to happen again with these improvements
[18:02] be
[18:03] destroyed
[18:05] with the improvements to the
[18:07] multi-purpose field we're not looking to
[18:09] put Bermuda in there we're trying to
[18:10] make it a re-leveled surface regrading
[18:13] new Turf just providing that safe and
[18:17] more usage of a field for like the
[18:19] soccer groups our flight football
[18:21] program lacrosse teams and possibly you
[18:24] know bring that up a little bit but make
[18:25] it more level we'll provide that space
[18:27] since Shane Kelly and osc are a
[18:29] primarily a shutdown facility for our
[18:31] contractual youth organizations so then
[18:33] the dog park we're trying to put
[18:35] elements within it that aren't going to
[18:37] be washed away or destroyed through
[18:38] future flooding you know knock on wood
[18:40] we're not going to get the storm again
[18:41] so we're being very cautious with what
[18:44] we're you're not going to raise the
[18:45] elevation of the surface okay I thought
[18:48] I heard that and then with the park
[18:49] amenities the park amenities within the
[18:51] or around The Pavilions and around the
[18:54] facilities they're deteriorated we've
[18:56] requested it through our CIP program
[18:57] they're rusted out we feel that this
[19:00] gives us an opportunity to refurbish
[19:01] those amenities picnic tables trash
[19:03] receptacles and park benches with a
[19:06] multi-purpose field but also Around The
[19:08] Pavilions surrounding that Park okay so
[19:10] so for the most part I mean the These
[19:13] funds are going to something that even
[19:15] if it was underwater it when the water
[19:17] water receded that it would still be I
[19:20] feel that this is uh improving our Parks
[19:22] infrastructure perfect in addition to
[19:24] improving the facility okay okay all
[19:26] right thank you thank you okay if you
[19:29] asked pre-asked a lot of a lot of my
[19:31] questions uh so that's one of my
[19:33] concerns and the other is I like that
[19:35] that field is just a free-for-all and
[19:38] that it's not formal and that people can
[19:40] go and their dogs can use it or anybody
[19:42] can use it so I'm a little bit hesitant
[19:44] to create something that may be rentable
[19:46] because there's very little space that's
[19:49] just free play space and and I I like
[19:52] the idea of keeping that free play space
[19:55] and if we have to redo our our all the
[19:58] stuff that's under The Pavilions anyway
[20:00] this does seem like a sensible thing so
[20:03] a question though if we do get the 200
[20:05] thousand dollars and it comes back and
[20:07] it turns out that getting the parking
[20:09] lots fixed and the other things besides
[20:12] formalizing the field and maybe
[20:14] formalizing a dog area if it comes in
[20:17] lower are we are we allowed to do the
[20:20] less than because half off coupon we
[20:22] still have to pay the half so I'm
[20:24] hesitant to pay more than what what the
[20:27] community collectively traditionally if
[20:29] we do not expend what we sought after
[20:31] then we would just get a less
[20:33] reimbursement back from the state okay
[20:35] okay perfect
[20:37] all right thank you all right
[20:39] with a motion on a second all those in
[20:41] favor say aye aye
[20:44] okay so that passes
[20:47] okay we have no public hearings
[20:50] we have the first reading of the
[20:52] ordinances first one up is
[20:56] 1736
[20:59] this Cobb we provide a brief
[21:02] introduction we need the attorney first
[21:05] resolution audio ordinance all right
[21:10] Mr Deputy Mayor if we could I
[21:14] resolution 43 58 23 I mentioned it prior
[21:18] to the meeting that we may need to move
[21:20] that up to public hearings the item does
[21:23] require a public hearing so I was
[21:25] wondering if we could move that item and
[21:27] do that now under public hearings rather
[21:29] than waiting until resolutions to do
[21:31] that item there was a all right and we
[21:35] don't need to schedule that
[21:37] yeah go ahead and do it now the public
[21:38] hearing has already been advertised and
[21:40] noticed all the notice requirements have
[21:42] been fulfilled it it was just something
[21:44] that happened when when it was being
[21:46] input into the system uh there is a
[21:48] there is a check box for public hearing
[21:51] I have a feeling what happened was
[21:52] public comment got got checked under
[21:54] resolutions you get two choices public
[21:56] hearing or public comment I think you
[21:58] get the public comment got checked and
[22:00] so it went down into the resolution
[22:01] section of the agenda but if we could do
[22:04] that now as a public hearing and I would
[22:06] need you to actually open and close the
[22:07] public hearing as part of this
[22:10] okay so we will open a public hearing
[22:12] here for resolution number 43 58-22
[22:16] street light assessment rate
[22:19] which is item number 14. so if anybody
[22:21] in the audience is looking at an agenda
[22:23] sheet item 14 just moved to sort of like
[22:26] it's in between 10 and 11. so it's 10A
[22:28] Mrs Ross can you read my title only
[22:43] a resolution of the city of Oviedo
[22:46] Florida relating to the delivery and
[22:48] funding of Street lighting services
[22:50] within the city amending ratifying and
[22:52] confirming the final rate resolution for
[22:55] fiscal year
[22:56] 2023-2024 determining that that certain
[22:59] real property is specially benefited by
[23:02] Street lighting Services approving the
[23:04] assessment role providing the method of
[23:07] collection and providing for
[23:09] implementing administrative actions
[23:10] scrivener's errors conflict separability
[23:12] and effective date
[23:15] this cop can give us a brief
[23:16] introduction yes thank you Deputy Mayor
[23:18] I ever since we instituted the street
[23:20] Life program one of the requirements of
[23:22] the state statute is that every year we
[23:24] need to recertify the tax roll and the
[23:26] reason we need to do that is because
[23:28] every year we have new people moving
[23:30] into the City and so it is what the
[23:32] statute says is that you have to provide
[23:34] notice to anyone who is receiving this
[23:36] for the first time so any new residents
[23:38] have to be have to receive a notice and
[23:41] so what what we have to do is part of
[23:43] that process is that we have to
[23:45] recertify the tax roll that's what this
[23:47] resolution does it re-certifies the tax
[23:49] roll for the coming year and then it
[23:51] also maintains the uh
[23:54] the fee at the 78 dollars and uh
[23:58] 13 cents yeah 78 and 13 cents it
[24:01] re-adops the the fee as well so there's
[24:04] no change in the fee this year and uh
[24:06] but that's what this pretty much is is a
[24:09] recertification of the tax roll for the
[24:11] impact for the street light district and
[24:13] so it's recommended that you conduct a
[24:15] public hearing and adopt resolution
[24:17] number 4358-23
[24:20] okay
[24:22] yes sir I'll make a motion to uh adopt
[24:25] resolution
[24:26] 4358-23 oh we've got to do public
[24:28] hearing questions yeah
[24:30] okay so no it's okay
[24:33] I have no written requests obviously for
[24:35] this is there anybody in the audience
[24:37] that wish to speak on the subject
[24:42] and by not trying to do a fake head Bob
[24:46] okay I will close the public record or
[24:48] public comment
[24:51] what is the pleasure at councils
[24:53] Mr chair I'll make a motion to approve
[24:55] adopt resolution number 4358-23
[24:59] second all right I have a motion in a
[25:02] any discussion
[25:04] yeah I just Brian as far as the street
[25:08] light uh
[25:10] count we set that up to pay the electric
[25:13] bill and then to do improvements are we
[25:15] are we on schedule for all the
[25:17] improvements that we've planned I
[25:19] believe we are I mean the fee pays for
[25:21] what the fee does it pays for the
[25:23] maintenance Leasing and the electricity
[25:26] for all of our street lights and it also
[25:30] has some money set aside for Capital
[25:32] and the city has been very aggressive
[25:34] over the past few years in getting
[25:36] retrofitted into the different
[25:38] neighborhoods uh the most recent one was
[25:40] where we were operating in Alafaya woods
[25:42] and Twin Rivers was the big retrofit
[25:44] there and we also did the we couldn't
[25:47] install the lighting up on the North
[25:49] side of Lockwood Boulevard
[25:50] as far as I know as we mentioned in our
[25:53] staff report
[25:54] we still need to do Lockwood South
[25:58] and that's that's another retrofit on
[26:01] the Lockwood South and then looking at
[26:03] doing some
[26:05] conversions in the Oviedo on the Park
[26:08] area to go to uh to get every all of the
[26:11] lights to the
[26:13] um LED because some of the lights in the
[26:15] video on the park aren't LEDs we need to
[26:17] get them get them all to LEDs so those
[26:19] are two of the projects that we need to
[26:20] do we're still going to be looking at
[26:21] areas where we don't have lighting so
[26:24] that we can fill in and but we're doing
[26:28] it as the um as we have you know Capital
[26:31] funds available for us to do it uh
[26:33] thankfully uh
[26:35] FPL was great right out of the box they
[26:38] did the East Side they retrofitted the
[26:39] east side of town everything went to LED
[26:42] um and Duke took a little bit longer but
[26:44] now Duke actually has a program similar
[26:46] to
[26:48] um
[26:48] uh Florida FPL they have a similar
[26:52] program now and so even though the Duke
[26:55] retrofits crossed a little bit more they
[26:57] don't cost as much as with initially was
[26:59] quoted to us so it's easier for us to do
[27:01] retrofits in the Duke neighborhoods now
[27:03] as well so yeah I think we are I think
[27:06] we're right on schedule in getting
[27:07] getting the different uh upgrades as
[27:09] well as doing new new capital items okay
[27:12] are we
[27:13] solvent as far as you know I look at my
[27:16] electric bill every month and it's way
[27:18] higher than it was last year do we have
[27:19] enough funds to pay the electric bill oh
[27:21] yes I mean that that is for that is
[27:23] first the you know like I said
[27:24] maintenance Leasing and electricity
[27:27] those are the very first that's the top
[27:28] priorities with this fund it's
[27:30] whatever's left over is how much we have
[27:32] for capital okay thanks
[27:34] okay
[27:37] I'm good you would but I do have I want
[27:39] to make sure everybody in the room knows
[27:41] what's going on because we've got a lot
[27:42] of young people who it's probably their
[27:43] their first time hearing about this so
[27:45] what we're talking about is who pays for
[27:46] the street lights are y'all following
[27:48] this
[27:49] so there is a line on the tax bill
[27:53] for paying 78 dollars or something like
[27:56] that we pay for electricity we actually
[27:59] rent a lot of the the power poles uh and
[28:02] then you know we can put new ones in
[28:04] different ways and sometimes we own them
[28:07] so the new ones we're putting in we're
[28:08] trying to own so we don't have to pay
[28:10] rent on power poles every single month
[28:12] so that's what we're voting on today is
[28:15] not the 78 dollar fee but whether we
[28:18] agree that the tax roll is correct and
[28:22] what the tax roll is is the list of each
[28:26] property in Oviedo and who owns it
[28:29] so we're saying we agree that this is
[28:31] who owns each property and we're going
[28:33] to send them a bill for the right amount
[28:35] based on the formula that was approved
[28:38] previously like five years ago or so
[28:40] so it's kind of a complicated thing and
[28:42] we could talk more later about it but I
[28:44] just want to make sure you know we're
[28:45] talking about lights
[28:47] okay
[28:51] well we're technically we're not allowed
[28:54] to do questions in public comments but
[28:55] after the meeting if you can stick
[28:56] around or email one of us yep
[28:59] okay so I have a motion in a second what
[29:01] is the favor of council
[29:03] oh I'm sorry oh those in favor say aye
[29:07] aye aye opposed
[29:08] okay
[29:10] stumbling along here
[29:12] thank you deputy mayor for accommodating
[29:14] us on that we appreciate it
[29:18] okay next up we have
[29:21] ordinances
[29:22] [Music]
[29:28] and the ordinance we have up here we're
[29:31] in 1736 Mr Ross we read the orange by
[29:34] title only
[29:38] [Music]
[29:39] map of approximately 13.81 acres of land
[29:43] generally located approximately 476 feet
[29:47] south of Winter Springs Boulevard and
[29:49] approximately 150 feet west of West
[29:52] Broadway street from Office commercial
[29:54] OC to residential R3 providing for
[29:57] conflict separability codification as
[30:00] well as the correction and scrivener's
[30:01] errors and an effective date
[30:04] thank you
[30:05] this cobby gave us a brief introduction
[30:06] yes thank you Deputy Mayor all right
[30:09] this is a zoning map Amendment and so
[30:11] we're City councils asked to change the
[30:13] zoning of the property from Office
[30:16] commercial to R3 residential uh the
[30:19] applicant is proposing to construct
[30:21] multi-family residential on the property
[30:25] multi-family residential is not a
[30:27] permissible use within the current
[30:29] zoning classification and Madeline can
[30:31] you pull up the maps for us and so we
[30:34] can see this is basic the the location
[30:36] if you only you'll need there we go this
[30:38] is the location of the property it's
[30:40] obviously it's located south of Winter
[30:41] Springs Boulevard West of State Route
[30:43] 426 and north of ovina ball Boulevard
[30:46] its primary access is the new Sugar Mill
[30:49] Road that's being currently developed by
[30:51] by the dwell I don't think we could go
[30:53] on to the next one there we go thank you
[30:55] all right the properties feature land
[30:57] use designation is the newly created
[31:00] West Gate
[31:01] designation and the thing about it is
[31:04] that when you have a zoning
[31:05] classification zoning classification the
[31:07] very first thing you ask is is it
[31:09] consistent with the future land use
[31:10] designation the OC zoning designation is
[31:13] not and so uh one of the requests one of
[31:17] the reasons that the applicant is
[31:18] requesting the change to R3 is so the R3
[31:21] is a zoning classification that is
[31:24] consistent with the properties future
[31:26] land use designation
[31:28] manual because the next one all right
[31:30] one of the other things that you look at
[31:32] as well is uh is the zoning
[31:34] classification compatible with
[31:35] surrounding area well you can see to the
[31:37] South you've got PUD you've also got
[31:39] some OC and you've got commercial C2 are
[31:41] surrounding uh this property and so one
[31:45] of the things about the arts for the
[31:46] examine district is that it can be used
[31:48] as a buffer area for between residential
[31:51] and Commercial areas so the the R3
[31:54] zoning district is compatible Madeleine
[31:56] if you'll go to the next next map you'll
[31:58] see the R3 zoning District actually is
[32:00] compatible with the surrounding area
[32:03] with the surrounding zoning Districts
[32:04] The third question you ask is is the
[32:06] permissible use is compatible with the
[32:09] surrounding zoning districts and if you
[32:10] think about the the applicant is
[32:13] proposing to construct multi-family on
[32:15] the property there's multi-family to the
[32:18] South already that's being constructed
[32:20] in it's also compatible with the
[32:22] commercial that is to the East and to
[32:24] the north and so yes the staff in their
[32:27] analysis did find that the the proposed
[32:30] uses within the R3 zoning District are
[32:33] compatible with the surrounding area
[32:36] and so those those are the basic when
[32:38] you're looking at a zoning map Amendment
[32:40] those are the basic tenets that you look
[32:42] at are whether or not to recommend
[32:45] approval obviously the staff they their
[32:47] findings are presented in the supporting
[32:49] data inventory and Analysis uh they
[32:52] recommend approval of ordinance not 1736
[32:54] uh based on the findings in their report
[32:56] the local planning agency conducted a
[32:59] public hearing on Tuesday August 1st and
[33:02] recommended approval recommended
[33:04] adoption of the ordinance there was
[33:06] concern expressed during their public
[33:08] hearing about the connection to oviedo's
[33:11] to Winter Springs Boulevard which we are
[33:13] currently going through addressing with
[33:15] our Mobility plan
[33:17] tonight it's recommended that the city
[33:19] council
[33:21] schedule of public hearing for September
[33:23] the 7th 2023.
[33:26] great thank you
[33:28] is the applicant present
[33:30] would you like to say a few words
[33:35] my name is David axle axle real estate
[33:37] 1757 West Broadway Street Oviedo and as
[33:42] this is just first reading I won't make
[33:45] any comments I am here to ask answer any
[33:47] questions and if there's any public
[33:49] comment to address that so I ask that
[33:51] you proceed and schedule the public
[33:52] hearing for the next meeting thank you
[33:57] we did have one written request which we
[33:59] already did is there anybody else that
[34:01] did not send a written request at one to
[34:03] speak on the subject
[34:06] CNN
[34:08] move on
[34:10] what is the pleasure of council
[34:13] Mr chair yes I'll make a motion to
[34:15] schedule a public hearing for September
[34:17] 7th 2023.
[34:19] second all right I have a motion and a
[34:22] second any discussion
[34:24] um Mr axel
[34:30] the 557 dwelling units is that is that
[34:33] what's being proposed
[34:34] So today we're just doing zoning and as
[34:37] part of that process you have to project
[34:40] a certain amount and compare it to the
[34:44] prior use
[34:45] so we attempted to use maximum but it
[34:48] came out slightly lower because as we
[34:51] were working through the application we
[34:53] got new Wetland surveys so I would
[34:56] venture to say there's there's some
[34:58] slight difference in the I think the
[35:01] third set of numbers from the second set
[35:03] of numbers what's likely to occur but
[35:05] it's part of the site approval is less
[35:08] than half this amount but today we're
[35:11] just here about the zoning and we also
[35:14] had to apply for school capacity so the
[35:17] analysis had to be done on a number and
[35:19] we tried to use the 50 units per acre
[35:21] that the land use allows and there was a
[35:23] little snafu in the math that's all
[35:25] right does that answer the question yes
[35:27] thank you
[35:28] okay
[35:30] any further discussion
[35:32] well there there's a couple of things
[35:33] that bug me about this and none of them
[35:36] can we do anything about
[35:38] we do not control
[35:41] where students are zoned to go to school
[35:44] that is exclusively the jurisdiction of
[35:47] the school board
[35:49] so it really bugs me that there's no
[35:51] capacity for these students to go
[35:54] without a bus to Lawton Elementary and
[35:56] that they would probably have to be
[35:57] buzzed pretty far but we can't say no on
[36:00] account of that and we're not saying yes
[36:01] or no at all today so just as a matter
[36:04] of procedure for all the people in the
[36:06] room you're hearing stuff about like hey
[36:09] should we build allow somebody to build
[36:12] 550-something Apartments well why aren't
[36:14] we voting on that what we're doing is
[36:15] voting to have a second hearing to vote
[36:18] about it at another later time
[36:20] and we had one person come and speak out
[36:22] against it so there will be one more
[36:24] chance only one more chance for the
[36:25] public to come and and express concern
[36:28] and we've got some pretty high bars to
[36:31] overcome because there's this thing it's
[36:33] like the constitution of land use called
[36:35] the comprehensive plan and the current
[36:37] zoning has to be compatible with that so
[36:41] the constitution of land use says it has
[36:44] to be something other than what it is
[36:47] so the landowner came and said hey we
[36:50] want to make it something that matches
[36:52] what's allowed so we're we're going to
[36:56] have a quasi-judicial hearing where we
[36:58] kind of act like a court next month so
[37:01] come back for the stunning conclusion to
[37:03] all of this because all we're voting on
[37:05] today is whether to have a hearing a
[37:08] second hearing on this next month so all
[37:12] these vote like you're hearing all these
[37:13] votes and we're voting on these really
[37:14] obscure technical things so hopefully
[37:17] you're kind of catching on to some of
[37:19] that but I want to make sure
[37:21] everybody knows that
[37:23] very good so we have a motion in a
[37:25] second all those in favor say aye aye
[37:27] opposed all right so that was not a vote
[37:31] to allow the apartments that was a vote
[37:33] to have a second hearing
[37:46] okay next up we have ordinance number
[37:48] 1737
[37:51] Ross can you read that by title only
[37:55] an ordinance of the city of Oviedo
[37:58] Florida pertaining to the use of golf
[38:00] carts upon designated roads within the
[38:03] city of Oviedo subject to specified
[38:05] restrictions and the provisions of state
[38:07] law providing for legislative purposes
[38:09] findings and intent providing for
[38:12] definitions providing for the
[38:13] designation and prohibition of roads and
[38:16] the potential addition of Roads
[38:17] providing for authorized means of
[38:20] Youth and prohibited and unlawful means
[38:23] of use providing for signage only as may
[38:26] be required by state law providing for
[38:28] enforcement penalties and collections
[38:31] providing for implementing
[38:32] administrative action
[38:34] providing for a savings provision
[38:36] providing for conflicts providing for
[38:38] severability providing for codification
[38:41] as well as the correction of scrivener's
[38:43] errors in providing for an effective
[38:44] date
[38:45] thank you Mr kyleby give us a brief uh
[38:48] introduction all right thank you Deputy
[38:50] American yes the council has asked to
[38:51] adopt what we call the golf cart
[38:52] ordinance and what this will do this
[38:55] ordinance establishes that golf carts
[38:57] will be permissible forms of
[39:00] Transportation on on city streets that
[39:04] um
[39:04] have a posted speed limit of less than
[39:07] 30 miles per hour or less
[39:10] I it also establishes that the golf
[39:15] carts can only be operated on the
[39:17] roadways that are designated and but
[39:20] they cannot be performed operated on
[39:22] state or County roadways unless they are
[39:25] crossing at a signalized intersection
[39:28] there are some streets that we did say
[39:30] yes they can't be used on they're mainly
[39:32] our primary roadways uh I know it was
[39:36] mentioned about Chapman Road Chapman
[39:37] Road East which is a local Street and
[39:40] has a speed limit of 25 it's eligible
[39:43] it's Chapman Road West that goes from
[39:45] 434 to 426 which is four lanes and has a
[39:48] speed limit of 40 that we said no don't
[39:51] operate on that one so
[39:54] um
[39:55] I remember that was mentioned as well
[39:57] and so we also have requirements that
[40:00] you need to have a driver's license or a
[40:03] learner's permit
[40:04] and that the if you do have a learner's
[40:07] permit then you have to have somebody
[40:08] who is 21 or older and has a driver's
[40:11] license sitting next to you while
[40:13] operating the um
[40:15] operating the golf cart golf carts also
[40:17] if you to be operated on private
[40:19] property they have to have the owner's
[40:21] permission to be operated on the private
[40:22] property and that they are not operate
[40:24] authorized to be operating on the
[40:26] sidewalks or the bicycle pass or the
[40:29] trails our Trails have regulations that
[40:32] you can't put a motorized vehicle on
[40:33] them unless it's like the county doing
[40:35] maintenance on it so tonight is the
[40:38] first reading of the ordinance and it is
[40:41] recommended that the city council
[40:43] schedule public hearing for September
[40:45] the 7th 2023.
[40:47] okay
[40:49] we had the one written request already
[40:51] speak uh is there anyone who did not
[40:54] turn a request that would like to speak
[40:58] okay seeing none we will move on
[41:01] what is the pleasure our Council Mr
[41:03] chair yes I'll make a motion to schedule
[41:06] a public hearing for ordinance number
[41:07] 1737 on September 7th 2023
[41:12] second okay Motion in a second any
[41:14] discussion
[41:15] now we can save it for September 7th
[41:19] I think we should not save it for
[41:21] September 7th I had a lot of the same
[41:23] concerns as Mr shank has already brought
[41:25] up and I I don't fully understand how
[41:28] what we are doing is any different from
[41:31] the state level law other than the state
[41:34] level law did mention that we have to
[41:36] designate certain roads as safe like it
[41:38] seems like we can designate additional
[41:40] roads and safe Beyond
[41:42] what the state law says and I'm
[41:45] scrolling through because I asked a
[41:47] couple of yes no questions related to
[41:49] this item and I'm scrolling through just
[41:50] to make sure that I understood some of
[41:52] the the questions how they were answered
[41:55] and so Madam mayor I was the one that
[41:58] that brought this this subject up
[42:00] initially and the the reason I brought
[42:02] this up was because it's very difficult
[42:05] to register a golf cart you have to get
[42:08] a VIN number
[42:10] um you you know basically what this
[42:12] ordinance is doing is
[42:15] putting all the same state level
[42:18] standards correct me if I'm wrong Chief
[42:20] but it's basically putting all the same
[42:22] state level standards on the golf cart
[42:24] with the exception of actually having to
[42:26] get that VIN number and you know to to
[42:29] get a license tag number so instead of
[42:31] getting a tag for it you get a you you
[42:34] get the the city you know permit for it
[42:38] but it's basically the same thing
[42:41] without having to spend all the money on
[42:43] getting the VIN number and everything
[42:45] we are taking on the city would be taken
[42:48] on all of the safety checks all of the
[42:49] everything else it seems like it we're
[42:52] biting off an awful lot and the state
[42:54] already
[42:55] kind of volunteers to do that for us
[42:58] yeah
[43:04] um
[43:04] uh councilmember you're pretty close on
[43:07] that we followed the state statute on
[43:09] what a low-speed vehicle would be we
[43:11] added a few things one of them statute
[43:14] was just changed to require a driver's
[43:16] license uh for somebody over the age of
[43:20] our learner's permit we incorporate that
[43:23] early on because basically we want
[43:25] somebody to have some Driving Experience
[43:27] preferably a driver it also prevents
[43:29] somebody who may have a DUI and not have
[43:32] a driver's license they they cannot
[43:34] drive one of these on the city streets
[43:35] as well
[43:36] uh uh we incorporated a few more
[43:39] safety features I would call it uh like
[43:42] if you have small children we require or
[43:44] improved child carrier per child animals
[43:48] should be securely fastened we'll leave
[43:50] that up to the owner but if we do
[43:52] require them to be
[43:53] restrained securely it doesn't require
[43:57] registration if you're going to drive it
[43:59] at night you got to have lights
[44:00] headlamps and things of that nature so
[44:03] it is very similar to the low speed
[44:05] vehicle but as you said it does not
[44:07] require
[44:09] somebody to have to take it to the DMV
[44:11] to get it registered and inspect it
[44:14] we're going to require them to do their
[44:16] own Inspections just like you do your
[44:17] own motor vehicle uh you know used to we
[44:21] did inspections in Florida if you've
[44:22] been here long enough but we don't do
[44:23] that anymore you basically ascertain
[44:25] your vehicle is roadworthy and if it's
[44:28] not we stop you we could you can be
[44:30] cited for it as well the same thing here
[44:33] if you're either there'll be a check off
[44:35] list that you you'll attest to that you
[44:38] have this equipment and uh and we'll
[44:42] we'll go in good faith that that's what
[44:43] you have and if you're seeing driving
[44:45] without it you could be cited well
[44:48] um get prohibited on sidewalks same same
[44:50] rules apply as the lbv or low speed
[44:53] Vehicles no sidewalks has to be on the
[44:55] streets it has to be under 30 miles an
[44:56] hour
[44:57] so
[44:59] do we have a a number in mind for what
[45:02] we would charge people to get this
[45:04] thing that lets them not have to get
[45:05] event that's not my uh area I don't know
[45:09] I don't have a number no but uh I
[45:11] figured that would be figured on after
[45:14] everyone once the ordinance or at a
[45:17] later time Chief I I see golf carts all
[45:20] over my neighborhood how are you
[45:22] enforcing the rules on those
[45:25] uh we're not we're not going to be we're
[45:27] not heavy-handed on them because
[45:28] basically uh you're right most
[45:31] neighborhoods they're in them I don't
[45:33] know of a neighborhood that you're not
[45:34] uh and people a lot of people just
[45:36] assume they are legal and this makes it
[45:39] legitimate otherwise right now it's
[45:41] state statutes and it's actually
[45:42] criminal in some cases where if you're
[45:44] letting a 14 year old driver unlicensed
[45:46] motorized vehicle on a roadway that is a
[45:48] criminal offense and I don't think any
[45:51] parent needs to have that you know
[45:53] allegation to charge to them so we do a
[45:55] lot of warning a lot of warning but like
[45:57] most times parents don't always listen
[45:59] to uh to the direction
[46:01] this makes it an easier path to get that
[46:03] done so they don't have the argument
[46:05] that council member Pollock said where I
[46:08] don't I don't have time I don't have the
[46:09] effort to go get it registered at the
[46:11] DMV I don't know you know get a VIN
[46:13] number for it so this makes it a much
[46:16] easier process it's coming through
[46:17] getting getting the registration and
[46:20] playing it on but applying it to the
[46:23] golf cart
[46:26] and the city gets fees for this as
[46:30] opposed to if DMV the DMV soon
[46:35] keep this one last thing in the uh in
[46:38] the staff report talked about uh the
[46:39] traffic surveys that were done um we're
[46:41] here to one resident that was asking
[46:43] about that is that coming from the
[46:44] Planning Group in the traffic studies do
[46:47] you know about the traffic studies
[46:49] uh the
[46:51] we don't have a defined traffic study we
[46:53] looked at traffic studies there's
[46:55] traffic places that have done the same
[46:58] thing we've reached out to them in
[46:59] several of the Cities Stanford's a good
[47:01] example uh how well is their program
[47:03] working what do they have problems with
[47:05] and and several other jurisdictions I
[47:08] think DeBerry was either looking at it
[47:09] or now has it and looking at what would
[47:11] what do they recommend and every one of
[47:14] them said you know keep them in
[47:16] basically the neighborhoods are off off
[47:18] busy thrower Affairs even if you can and
[47:21] you know nobody's had any major issues
[47:25] like any other motorized vehicle if you
[47:27] got the wrong person driving it bad
[47:28] things can happen but they're generally
[47:30] a little bit more cognizant of the
[47:32] vehicles around them because one they're
[47:34] open air you know and they're not
[47:36] they're not they're able to hear
[47:37] everything but they're also know that
[47:39] they're the smaller it's kind of like
[47:40] being a bicyclist on the road I think
[47:42] you could relate to that you pay a lot
[47:44] more attention to what's going around
[47:45] you than you do if you're the the the
[47:47] truck on the road like a Dodge truck or
[47:50] something you know on the roads
[47:51] uh and and so they not really had
[47:55] anywhere we found of any major there's
[47:57] always going to be the crash there's
[47:59] always going to be somebody that did
[48:00] something but as a general rule they
[48:02] provided a pretty safe Avenue to
[48:05] transport around town
[48:07] I guess one last question on on the
[48:10] and it's a great point about having
[48:11] underage kids that drive drive the
[48:13] vehicles I do see it you know in similar
[48:16] neighborhoods that I go through I guess
[48:17] my question would be obviously we'll do
[48:19] whatever you can you know once we get
[48:21] past a hearing if it does pass us to
[48:23] communicate it but not everybody sees
[48:25] the communications those individuals
[48:27] that are pulled over the first time is
[48:29] it a warning is it a citation right away
[48:31] I mean how do you handle the underage
[48:33] kids that are driving them the underages
[48:36] have a a conversation with the parents
[48:38] and say look this is the warning it's
[48:41] going to get very expensive if you
[48:42] continue this on we're trying to keep
[48:44] your kids safe in the neighborhood safe
[48:47] they're not allowed because most of the
[48:49] time they're with their friends and
[48:50] they're driving generally on the
[48:53] sidewalk right you know what I would
[48:54] consider recklessly but not maybe you're
[48:56] a hazard to health but a hazard to
[48:58] everybody else we're not going to be
[49:00] tolerant of it I can tell you that we'll
[49:01] try to get compliance first but if it
[49:04] shows that we've we've been out with
[49:05] them before they'll probably get cited
[49:08] and um and see where it goes from there
[49:10] okay
[49:11] thank you and you have one more question
[49:13] back in 2017 we adopted a golf cart
[49:16] ordinance and my understanding is not a
[49:18] single person registered so it sends it
[49:20] automatically what
[49:23] is different now that we think people
[49:27] will register I mean unless we're really
[49:29] going to push the registering people
[49:31] will continue just to drive the golf
[49:32] carts as they have since 2017. we will
[49:35] probably start an education process
[49:37] where if we see golf carts on the road
[49:38] that aren't registered we'll stop them
[49:40] and inform them they need to be
[49:41] registered it would be a citable offense
[49:43] again much a very expensive citation
[49:46] because that's a state citation
[49:49] um and to gain the compliance the other
[49:52] thing is then it was only on the east
[49:55] side of Lockwood so effectively if you
[49:57] weren't
[49:58] uh you didn't live in the golf course
[50:00] half of Twin Rivers it was not useful to
[50:02] you but you couldn't you couldn't go go
[50:05] anywhere but there but if you're in Mead
[50:08] Manor you can go all of mead Manor you
[50:10] know your sub like Live Oak as an
[50:12] example they could go up to Publix are
[50:15] you saying with a new proposal correct
[50:16] okay because my understanding is they
[50:18] can go beyond that you can go as far as
[50:20] your battery will take you or your I
[50:22] guess you could get a gas powered golf
[50:23] cart as far as there's a 30 mile an hour
[50:25] correct exactly you're like you can't go
[50:27] down Lockwood so anybody Twin Rivers
[50:29] going could not drive down the window
[50:30] but you can Crossroads correct you had a
[50:33] signalized intersection
[50:35] so that that's that's okay and the
[50:38] reason is that's the safest way to cross
[50:39] the street so there are boundaries so
[50:41] you can go only within your neighborhood
[50:43] and then once you hit 419 you're out of
[50:45] luck correct you can't just go alongside
[50:47] it unless and until we are able to build
[50:50] a golf cart so there's a pathway to get
[50:53] there legally okay we looked at every
[50:56] subdivision and see how far they could
[50:58] go
[51:00] um legally even if they had to go way
[51:03] around you know you know a big circle to
[51:06] go down and make it legally some
[51:08] neighborhoods they can go quite far some
[51:11] neighborhoods they can't go that far at
[51:12] all uh it just depends on the
[51:16] on on what road to borders on okay so as
[51:19] long as soon as you hit a 45 or 30 or
[51:21] higher you're kind of capped out
[51:24] so it's you know if there's a signalized
[51:26] light they can cross over to another
[51:29] Street that's under 30 they can keep
[51:31] going so and the goal was kind of look
[51:33] at Oviedo in the park and see how how
[51:35] many people could get to there they had
[51:37] a golf cart like for instance a meat
[51:39] Manor is a good example they can get
[51:40] there you can come down Division Street
[51:43] to Oviedo Boulevard uh you know through
[51:45] the roundabout crossover 419 at the
[51:47] light and make it all the way to Oviedo
[51:49] Boulevard I mean all the way to Oviedo
[51:50] in the park without
[51:52] legally if you're in Alafaya Woods you
[51:55] can get to uh Oviedo on the park because
[51:57] you can come down Alexandria to clearly
[52:00] to uh to again crossover and you're in
[52:03] Oviedo in the park and that's kind of
[52:04] what the focus point was when we were
[52:06] looking at it because that's where our
[52:07] events are and things so they could make
[52:10] it to there not every subdivision is
[52:12] going to I mean the majority of
[52:14] subdivisions can't make it there but as
[52:15] many as we could make it there is how we
[52:17] were looking at it
[52:19] thank you okay
[52:20] great thank you sir
[52:22] all right we had a motion in a second to
[52:25] schedule a public hearing on September
[52:27] 7th
[52:28] all those in favor say aye aye
[52:35] moving on to resolutions we are on
[52:38] resolution
[52:40] 4364-23 there's a Cobb we provide a
[52:43] brief introduction uh yes thank you
[52:45] Deputy Mayor actually Dr Correa is going
[52:49] to provide the staff presentation for
[52:51] this item
[53:01] good evening mayor Deputy Mayor City
[53:04] Council Members this is a request for
[53:07] the city council to approve an end stud
[53:09] story development agreement in a master
[53:11] land use plan for the Lockwood Village
[53:14] shopping center
[53:15] all the sea sections 2.5 is 7 and 11
[53:19] state that the city council shall have
[53:22] final
[53:23] authority over development agreements in
[53:26] muscle induce plan
[53:29] um
[53:29] if we can move to the next step thank
[53:32] you so
[53:34] um this the subject project property is
[53:37] approximately 7.7 Acres along this side
[53:42] of Lockwood next to the intersection
[53:45] with Mitchell hammock
[53:47] it is uh
[53:50] part of the Twin Rivers PUD
[53:53] so the future land use is beauty the
[53:55] zoning is also PUD and the proposed used
[54:00] users are in accordance with the C2
[54:03] zoning District
[54:05] the idea is to create so this is the
[54:09] parcel the big part of the shopping
[54:11] center where where you have the
[54:13] Winn-Dixie supermarket and the idea is
[54:16] to create two Lots now
[54:19] so you have lot one which is the
[54:21] remaining shopping center at around
[54:23] seven acres
[54:25] in log 2 is going to be carved out of
[54:28] the Big Lot for a proposed restaurant
[54:30] for the Longhorn Restaurant if you can
[54:33] move to the next one
[54:35] so this is the site
[54:38] if we can click it should show the new
[54:44] can you
[54:45] yeah so this is the the Longhorn
[54:48] Restaurant being proposed so it's
[54:51] carving out from the big parcel
[54:54] the access points remain the same
[54:57] and it's just
[55:00] um a reorganization of the site
[55:03] internally if you can move forward
[55:06] so this is the site this is the
[55:09] um
[55:11] we can move forward this is the site
[55:13] plan so you have the longhorn now with
[55:16] some parking around it so there was just
[55:20] the rearrangement of the parking area
[55:23] moving forward the development agreement
[55:27] um the entitlements are not being
[55:29] changed so they are within the Pud
[55:32] parameters that were approved as I said
[55:35] the permissible uses are going to be the
[55:37] ones according to the C2 it's just a
[55:39] single phase project and the development
[55:42] agreement allows for modifications for
[55:44] standards to be negotiated while we're
[55:47] on this slide can you let us know the
[55:48] year in which the original development
[55:50] agreement was approved
[55:53] I do know by 19 like 1990 something yeah
[55:58] 1987. okay thank you I think it's
[56:00] rounding there
[56:02] thank you Mr Kaaba I would not know I
[56:04] know it's it's been a while but I would
[56:06] not know exactly the date the
[56:09] modifications so for the buffer it's we
[56:12] are just so we're keeping the 20 feet
[56:15] um buffer around but internally between
[56:18] the two lots we are excluding the buffer
[56:21] requirements because that doesn't would
[56:22] not make sense the open space is not
[56:25] being reduced so it's still 30 percent
[56:27] overall in the Pud and actually in this
[56:30] particular site they are increasing the
[56:32] open space because they are turning
[56:34] parking spaces into there is now some
[56:37] landscape areas so they are increasing
[56:38] the open space
[56:40] um there are some deviations for
[56:44] landscape islands and
[56:47] these are just really minor deviations
[56:50] from the code if you can move forward
[56:54] um
[56:55] the parking size space for the for the
[56:59] the whole development is being kept the
[57:02] same and the parking
[57:06] counts has been reduced right because
[57:09] now we are creating this restaurant in
[57:11] the in the parking lot so what they are
[57:14] providing now is 272 parking spaces and
[57:17] there is a slide showing you know this
[57:19] the the breakdown
[57:21] the loading the parking space size is
[57:25] still the same but the parking space
[57:27] number is less yeah the size is the the
[57:31] is the footprint the footprint so they
[57:34] have a weird number which is I think
[57:37] it's um
[57:38] um
[57:40] 10 by 18. so our our regular 10 by 20
[57:45] per code
[57:47] in their development agreement they
[57:49] already had a different in a difference
[57:51] from our code and we are moving because
[57:54] we are rewriting the code we are moving
[57:56] to the compact which today what is
[57:58] considered compact
[58:00] which actually is the standard in other
[58:02] jurisdictions which is nine it's nine by
[58:04] 18. so we are keeping the same you know
[58:07] the the number for the for lot one lot
[58:11] two is proposing I think a different one
[58:13] but the packing space is the number of
[58:16] spaces have been reduced and do they
[58:19] still meet the space requirement the
[58:22] parking requirements I will show the
[58:24] next led the slide will have a a
[58:26] breakdown of those
[58:29] um the loading area it's being used for
[58:32] the parking space so the loading is
[58:35] going to be off hours we are also
[58:38] removing the requirement because there
[58:39] is no spillover from lighting and when
[58:44] you have Parcels but because they are
[58:46] internal and they have you know Common
[58:48] parking spaces and parking lots we a lot
[58:51] we are removing those and they have the
[58:55] lot too which is longhorn requested an
[58:58] allowance of 2.5 square feet of building
[59:00] signage for each building Frontage
[59:05] with a maximum of six signs
[59:08] the lot one which is the remaining
[59:12] shopping center is going to also have a
[59:15] tree restoration to kind of restore a
[59:18] little bit the side because with the
[59:19] years some trees are are you know bad
[59:24] and been replaced Etc so they are going
[59:26] to restore
[59:28] next slide please
[59:32] um well the next steps they have a
[59:35] non-state story
[59:37] um subdivision and they're reviewing a
[59:39] site development order uh already under
[59:42] the under review and the architecture
[59:45] has already been approved
[59:46] there should be a slide for can you move
[59:49] forward to see if
[59:51] well this is the land LPA
[59:53] recommendations we should have one for
[59:55] the parking count
[59:57] no so I can explain the parking count we
[1:00:01] have two numbers we have the number that
[1:00:04] was originally approved which is 300
[1:00:07] parking spaces and then with the new so
[1:00:10] what we're doing is that you're removing
[1:00:12] parking spaces and putting a restaurant
[1:00:14] a restaurant demands for more parking
[1:00:16] right so the new parking account would
[1:00:19] be
[1:00:19] 350 something uh parking spaces that
[1:00:23] would be the new one
[1:00:24] required for the code today
[1:00:27] we are again we are reviewing the code
[1:00:29] in the LDC and we are going to be
[1:00:33] reducing those numbers because
[1:00:36] usually we over Park you know the the
[1:00:41] the standard to provide for peak days
[1:00:44] right for Christmas for days that you
[1:00:47] know there is a lot of demand for
[1:00:49] shopping centers so we are kind of now
[1:00:52] bringing more to reality because you
[1:00:55] know we did not want to have a lot of
[1:00:57] parkings a lot of area designated to
[1:01:00] parking spaces
[1:01:01] so this what they are providing today
[1:01:05] which is 273 is a 24 deviation for what
[1:01:09] the code would require
[1:01:11] and that is I had a slide there for this
[1:01:14] breakdown
[1:01:15] and but it's basically a 24 deviation
[1:01:20] so that is that is the major you know uh
[1:01:24] you know in a way deviation that they
[1:01:25] are requesting from the codes
[1:01:27] so with this being two separate lots are
[1:01:35] we going to get into a situation like we
[1:01:36] have over here at Oviedo on the park
[1:01:38] where this is their parking and this is
[1:01:41] their part no it's a shared parking
[1:01:42] agreement so they have cross access
[1:01:44] easements in a shared parking agreement
[1:01:46] that's part of the development agreement
[1:01:48] so everybody can park anywhere
[1:01:51] there isn't a longhorn
[1:01:53] you know specific parking and there
[1:01:56] isn't the rest you know
[1:02:03] you're welcome
[1:02:05] I do have uh two written requests to
[1:02:07] speak the first one is Mr de Matteo
[1:02:15] please state your name and your address
[1:02:19] yes I'm loud thank you Council Connor
[1:02:23] demateo 1009 Pearson Drive Oviedo
[1:02:26] Florida
[1:02:28] council members I am speaking and Mike
[1:02:30] sassy as a citizen now unrelated to Cafe
[1:02:33] panuzos I often talk about the need for
[1:02:35] prioritizing infrastructure over
[1:02:37] development to allow for the smart and
[1:02:40] sustainable growth of Obito it is not a
[1:02:42] question but a fact that oviedo's
[1:02:44] roadways are stressed we see over 20 000
[1:02:47] cars pass through the city every day by
[1:02:49] fdot reports Lockwood alone has an
[1:02:51] annual average daily traffic count of
[1:02:53] over 17 000.
[1:02:55] we can see all the traffic backups at
[1:02:57] the Lockwood and Mitchell hammock
[1:02:58] intersection just as well as the
[1:02:59] Lockwood and Broadway intersections
[1:03:01] whether that's a car stopped in the
[1:03:03] middle of the intersection waiting to
[1:03:04] turn Northbound onto Lockwood or if it
[1:03:06] is the inability of a car to turn across
[1:03:09] the southbound Lanes into the Northbound
[1:03:10] Lanes the traffic on Lockwood is rough
[1:03:13] putting some numbers on this claim at
[1:03:16] the intersection of Lockwood and
[1:03:17] Mitchell hammock there have been 24
[1:03:18] traffic crashes in the last 12 months
[1:03:21] the most recent being less than a month
[1:03:23] ago
[1:03:24] even worse the intersection of East
[1:03:26] Broadway and Lockwood has seen 66
[1:03:28] traffic crashes in the same time period
[1:03:31] the most recent being today
[1:03:34] our roadways are ill-equipped for
[1:03:36] increased traffic flow is an
[1:03:38] understatement
[1:03:39] our roadways can barely withstand our
[1:03:41] current volume and the addition of a
[1:03:42] LongHorn Steakhouse on Lockwood
[1:03:43] Boulevard will undoubtedly exacerbate
[1:03:46] the issues we are already facing on our
[1:03:48] streets even if this council is
[1:03:50] incapable of voting down this Longhorn
[1:03:52] development it should not go without
[1:03:54] saying that it is not in the best
[1:03:56] interest of the community to continue
[1:03:57] the pace of development in the city I
[1:04:00] implore you all to stop and reflect on
[1:04:02] the impact development has beyond the
[1:04:04] monetary
[1:04:06] it can damage our community identity our
[1:04:08] way of life and our safety I further ask
[1:04:11] that this Council and the city officials
[1:04:13] gathered here tonight
[1:04:15] strongly consider hosting public forums
[1:04:17] and appropriate actionable civil
[1:04:19] discourse with our local business owners
[1:04:21] local residents and local groups Beyond
[1:04:23] those during a city council meeting many
[1:04:26] individuals are simply unaware or
[1:04:28] unprepared to voice their concerns in a
[1:04:30] manner that will be able to Spur change
[1:04:31] in the community and I truly believe
[1:04:34] that is unfair in my heart of hearts our
[1:04:37] role as public servants
[1:04:39] in the words of the Constitution is to
[1:04:41] establish justice provide for the common
[1:04:42] defense and promote the general welfare
[1:04:44] this comes in many forms and at its core
[1:04:46] it is ensuring the public is informed
[1:04:48] enough to be able to make informed
[1:04:50] decisions and offer direction to its
[1:04:52] public officials to enact change it
[1:04:54] deems appropriate I fully recognize the
[1:04:57] burden you all Face In Your Capacity as
[1:04:59] council members and I respect you all
[1:05:00] for putting yourselves in that position
[1:05:01] to make tough decisions but as we look
[1:05:04] forward looking towards tomorrow and
[1:05:07] next week and next year we have to
[1:05:09] accept that each of the actions and
[1:05:10] inactions
[1:05:12] we take will all affect us in one way or
[1:05:14] another I do not envy you for the
[1:05:16] decisions you have to make nor do I hold
[1:05:17] any ill will against any of you for what
[1:05:19] is at the end of the day just business I
[1:05:21] do however ask that you listen to the
[1:05:23] concerns of the citizens to ensure that
[1:05:25] this kind of commercialization of our
[1:05:26] great city does not continue beyond
[1:05:29] recognition thank you all very much for
[1:05:31] your consideration and I of course look
[1:05:32] forward to your continued work thank you
[1:05:34] great thank you
[1:05:37] next up I have Miss Delgado
[1:05:47] I am Kalina Delgado at 1004 wheeler
[1:05:51] Place Oviedo
[1:05:53] good evening council members I'm here
[1:05:55] speaking to you on behalf of my family's
[1:05:57] restaurant Cafe panuzos we have been
[1:06:00] lucky enough to serve our Oviedo
[1:06:01] community and have proudly done so for
[1:06:03] the last 15 years we are most definitely
[1:06:06] a family business my dad is the chef my
[1:06:08] sister and cousin are servers my baby
[1:06:10] brother is a host and we think of the
[1:06:12] rest of our staff as family too
[1:06:14] as I'm sure you can imagine we are
[1:06:16] deeply concerned about the proposed
[1:06:18] Longhorn development while we recognize
[1:06:20] we cannot stop the development due to
[1:06:22] the land zoning in the plaza I wanted to
[1:06:24] present my concerns to you for remedy
[1:06:26] unfortunately we were not notified of
[1:06:28] this impending construction with any
[1:06:29] advance notice so we were incapable of
[1:06:31] raising our concerns throughout their
[1:06:33] application and planning process if you
[1:06:36] refer to tonight's packet under the
[1:06:37] exhibits for resolution
[1:06:39] 436423 you will notice that the longhorn
[1:06:42] faces away from panuzos therefore
[1:06:44] panuzos will be in full view of
[1:06:46] LongHorn's back facade although we
[1:06:49] recognize that they will provide some
[1:06:50] fencing and hedging around the dumpsters
[1:06:52] and back door this does not mean that it
[1:06:54] will not affect our own business under
[1:06:55] its current orientation
[1:06:58] having been in the restaurant industry
[1:06:59] for well over a decade we know that no
[1:07:02] amount of fencing will stop the smell
[1:07:03] from radiating outward this in
[1:07:06] conjunction with flies employees on
[1:07:07] break behind the restaurant and the
[1:07:09] inevitable influx of Scavenging birds
[1:07:11] all have the potential to affect our
[1:07:13] patio business which is very prominent
[1:07:15] for most of the year in addition to our
[1:07:17] general foot traffic we know our food
[1:07:19] simply won't be as appetizing to patrons
[1:07:21] with the smell of a dumpster at our
[1:07:23] doorstep to be clear we want to be
[1:07:25] supportive of a growing Oviedo but we
[1:07:27] want to ensure that the growth and
[1:07:29] development is Equitable for all the
[1:07:30] affected parties that said we would like
[1:07:33] to please ask for your help and
[1:07:34] consideration regarding the orientation
[1:07:36] of the restaurant we are asking that the
[1:07:38] freestanding development be rotated 90
[1:07:40] degrees clockwise or counterclockwise to
[1:07:43] reduce the potential impact on our
[1:07:44] family business if rotating the business
[1:07:47] is not an option we would at the very
[1:07:49] least request the dumpsters be relocated
[1:07:51] to another part of the proposed lot
[1:07:54] we know just as well as LongHorn
[1:07:55] Steakhouse that when it comes to the
[1:07:57] service industry Impressions matter this
[1:08:00] includes the quality of the food the
[1:08:01] quality of the staff and the overall
[1:08:03] appearance of the restaurant inside and
[1:08:05] out we feel as though if the tables were
[1:08:08] turned and we were proposing a
[1:08:09] restaurant to be constructed in front of
[1:08:11] a longhorn they wouldn't be happy if our
[1:08:13] dumpsters fenced or not were at their
[1:08:15] front entrance likewise we don't believe
[1:08:17] it's fair that our visibility to and
[1:08:19] from Lockwood will now be separated by a
[1:08:21] building with a view of fenced-in
[1:08:22] dumpsters and hedges
[1:08:24] we fully recognize that this is a big
[1:08:26] ask of you but we do truly feel like
[1:08:28] this is about a big enough issue for our
[1:08:30] business that it should be considered
[1:08:31] for resolution my family has loved
[1:08:34] contributing to Oviedo and we are
[1:08:36] forever grateful for the opportunities
[1:08:37] this city has presented us we want to be
[1:08:40] able to continue that tradition of love
[1:08:41] and Community for many years to come and
[1:08:43] we hope that you council members will
[1:08:45] help maximize our chance to do that
[1:08:47] alongside our new neighbors thank you
[1:08:49] all so much for your time and
[1:08:50] consideration great thank you
[1:08:53] I have no more written requests or to
[1:08:55] anybody that would wish to speak on the
[1:08:57] subject that did not turn in a written
[1:08:58] request
[1:09:01] okay saying none we will close out for
[1:09:03] the record
[1:09:04] what is the pleasure our Council
[1:09:11] Leanne for purposes of discussion move
[1:09:13] we approve resolution 4363-23
[1:09:18] do I have a second I'll second for
[1:09:21] discussion my uh
[1:09:23] iPad's going anywhere around me here so
[1:09:25] I don't have it in front of me okay
[1:09:27] we have a motion of discussion uh Motion
[1:09:29] in a second what
[1:09:31] discussion
[1:09:32] that's a very reasonable request to not
[1:09:35] have the dumpster be in your face thank
[1:09:37] you for bringing that up
[1:09:39] and for proposing a solution is the
[1:09:43] applicant present tonight
[1:09:45] I I think it's a reasonable request can
[1:09:48] you accommodate it
[1:09:50] um unfortunately in that case we do have
[1:09:52] the building owner's approval to put the
[1:09:54] dumpster
[1:09:54] um and the plaza where it's at
[1:09:57] um they are also signing the nsda in
[1:09:59] this case as they are the property owner
[1:10:01] so we've worked with with the building
[1:10:03] owner in this case I get that you've
[1:10:05] worked with the building owner but can
[1:10:07] you of your own free will ask the
[1:10:09] building owner to think about it I'm
[1:10:12] saying the plaza owner again the plaza
[1:10:15] owner yes or are they open to I don't
[1:10:17] think they care where it is I mean
[1:10:20] Longhorn cares where it is in this case
[1:10:21] I would recommend that they speak with
[1:10:23] their tenant on their concerns but we
[1:10:26] have
[1:10:27] that owner of the Plaza's concern so
[1:10:30] what's your role in this
[1:10:32] um we're with Longhorn the development
[1:10:34] yes and then the person who is signing
[1:10:37] this nsda is the owner of the plaza in
[1:10:39] the rear okay
[1:10:41] um
[1:10:42] so are any of those people in the room
[1:10:46] we don't have the
[1:10:48] um the property owner at this time we do
[1:10:50] have a gentleman here that used to be
[1:10:52] the property owner um and they're the
[1:10:54] developer for this as well
[1:10:56] um but I mean Harris can speak to it as
[1:10:58] well they are signing this nsda they
[1:11:00] have reviewed our site plans they are in
[1:11:02] full consent of this okay
[1:11:05] thank you so that puts us in a really
[1:11:09] bizarre situation uh it does look like
[1:11:12] so I guess we need Dr Korea back up here
[1:11:14] to address the extent to which we are
[1:11:19] required to agree to deviations
[1:11:22] uh so back in 1987 or so
[1:11:26] the ability to put something of the
[1:11:29] shape and footprint of Longhorn already
[1:11:31] existed that is not a dispute at this
[1:11:34] time it sounds like there is some leeway
[1:11:38] being suggested from staff
[1:11:41] with regards to the parking spaces so we
[1:11:43] don't have to agree to that the
[1:11:45] developers agreement
[1:11:46] shifting within that module
[1:11:50] then this is a question for our attorney
[1:11:52] we have we do not have discretion to
[1:11:54] shift within the limits of the
[1:11:57] developers agreement is that correct
[1:11:58] because it's a sort of a quasi-judicial
[1:12:00] thing
[1:12:03] a question I'd have to do a little
[1:12:04] research to get you the best answer on
[1:12:06] that okay so where'd this is going to my
[1:12:09] brain is we may need to table this until
[1:12:11] we have more of these answers
[1:12:14] because I think we've got deviations
[1:12:16] that we don't have to Grant
[1:12:19] possibly and if we don't have to grant
[1:12:21] them and an existing person has made a
[1:12:26] kind of a reasonable request even if the
[1:12:28] property owners all agree
[1:12:31] maybe we could have a discussion about
[1:12:33] it anyway mayor I'll be honest it's
[1:12:35] unfortunate that this was not brought to
[1:12:37] the attention of Staff either like a
[1:12:40] long time ago because last time you
[1:12:42] could have just we could have because I
[1:12:44] think relocating a dumpster it's much
[1:12:47] easier than
[1:12:49] um you know shifting Shifting the
[1:12:51] building right that can happen yeah that
[1:12:53] would be completely different it would
[1:12:55] be a different lot it would be a
[1:12:56] different you know configuration it
[1:12:58] changed the whole thing changing a
[1:13:01] dumpster is an easier right I know the
[1:13:04] architecture was already approved so we
[1:13:06] already had that being discussed in the
[1:13:08] previous meeting that was in June but
[1:13:11] it's an easier you know configuration or
[1:13:14] change in a plan especially in so in the
[1:13:17] property owner so this was not
[1:13:20] advertised to the tenants because we
[1:13:22] have the property owner authorization he
[1:13:24] was the one applying right so um and
[1:13:27] that is the reason why we we would not
[1:13:30] you know the city is not obligated to to
[1:13:33] but everything we do is it's on the on
[1:13:35] public records but um
[1:13:38] [Music]
[1:13:40] so I mean staff would be willing to to
[1:13:43] look at the site and see if there is any
[1:13:45] other proposal for a dumpster location
[1:13:48] but
[1:13:50] um we are not the property owners so we
[1:13:52] we cannot
[1:13:53] um
[1:13:55] have the final
[1:13:58] and I guess I've got another question
[1:13:59] for the property owner with this trigger
[1:14:03] re-engineering your site or is this like
[1:14:05] not a big deal
[1:14:07] so how Longhorn works on their dumpsters
[1:14:09] in a specific location which is behind
[1:14:11] the kitchen to prevent those people
[1:14:13] sitting on crates in a parking area and
[1:14:15] so it's all shielded with a wall and
[1:14:17] then with large gates in front of the
[1:14:19] dumpster but that building is configured
[1:14:21] in a certain way where the dumpster has
[1:14:22] to be attached to the building
[1:14:24] additionally if you look at the site
[1:14:26] plan we do have a limited lot space and
[1:14:28] we don't have the ability to go to that
[1:14:30] property owner in the rear because we
[1:14:32] are selling out this prop parcel and
[1:14:34] having a dumpster shared onto their lot
[1:14:36] that's something that they wouldn't
[1:14:38] agree to because then you would have
[1:14:40] tenants you know walking through to the
[1:14:42] rear of the other building for the
[1:14:45] dumpster situation um so we are
[1:14:46] providing dumpster enclosure meeting
[1:14:49] oral architectural and legac
[1:14:51] requirements all of our Landscaping
[1:14:54] except for two islands which is due to
[1:14:56] existing lighting fixtures is also
[1:14:58] meeting Land Development code and then
[1:15:01] the only deviations is in regards to
[1:15:03] parking in those small items that she
[1:15:05] brought up before we did do full parking
[1:15:07] study as well as a traffic study and we
[1:15:09] are within ite trip generation and
[1:15:12] parking generation for this project at
[1:15:13] maximum hours can you point on this or
[1:15:16] somebody point on this where are the
[1:15:18] dumpsters proposed to be yes
[1:15:24] and you can see the gates in front of it
[1:15:26] and then the wall on all sides and then
[1:15:29] the rear doors Okay so
[1:15:35] trees all in that Island
[1:15:38] so roughly how many feet is between the
[1:15:41] the dumpster area and the facade of the
[1:15:45] building to the east
[1:15:54] 100 feet
[1:15:57] and so this is include these have lids
[1:16:01] they're going to be done how often are
[1:16:03] you going to empty the dumpsters
[1:16:07] like twice a week three every day
[1:16:10] twice a week okay if needed they usually
[1:16:13] the the concern I have with with the
[1:16:16] dumpsters is we just had a code
[1:16:17] enforcement action across the street at
[1:16:20] the Tijuana Flats shopping center and I
[1:16:23] mean and that was horrible if that
[1:16:24] occurred here
[1:16:26] that that would that would really be
[1:16:29] detrimental to to the neighbors so in
[1:16:32] this
[1:16:33] imagine this is on the is on the side of
[1:16:35] their kitchen
[1:16:37] concerns in regards to
[1:16:39] um that how they care for the dumpster
[1:16:41] can also become a Florida department of
[1:16:43] health issue because their kitchen is
[1:16:45] right out the back door of that so
[1:16:46] that's obviously something Longhorn is
[1:16:48] really
[1:16:49] adamant about their kitchen safety as
[1:16:52] well as the dumpster being kept in a
[1:16:54] certain way just because of the
[1:16:55] proximity to the kitchen
[1:17:00] Deputy Mayor can we get her name and
[1:17:02] address please oh yes Malaya storm 5404
[1:17:05] Cypress Center Drive thank you or Tampa
[1:17:08] Florida
[1:17:09] thank you
[1:17:12] that's all I've got for now
[1:17:16] okay any further discussion well is
[1:17:18] there was there a suggestion to table
[1:17:20] this because I have the same pretty much
[1:17:22] the same concerns the mayor brought up
[1:17:26] the only viable thing I can see is to
[1:17:29] shift everything to the left and put
[1:17:31] more parking in the rear of the building
[1:17:32] unless in in front of it and I guess
[1:17:35] that means moving things to the
[1:17:38] I guess that would be to the West
[1:17:41] and put some more space between the
[1:17:44] building and the and the existing
[1:17:46] restaurants because it's not just
[1:17:48] panuzos out there there's a couple other
[1:17:49] restaurants on that row too that if I
[1:17:52] understand
[1:17:56] so we had a motion in a second there are
[1:17:58] you saying you want to and I I I would
[1:18:01] like to take back my motion and move
[1:18:03] that we table resolution
[1:18:05] 4364-23 until September 7th so we can
[1:18:09] get the information about
[1:18:12] you know what we are required to allow
[1:18:15] in the form of deviations relative to
[1:18:18] the original developers agreement
[1:18:23] I don't think we're we're not allowed to
[1:18:25] accept anything
[1:18:30] okay I think we can allow I don't know
[1:18:32] what the process is go ahead go ahead
[1:18:35] thanks for everyone's time uh I'm Blake
[1:18:38] McRae uh 2215 Emory Drive Tifton Georgia
[1:18:43] I'm with Stafford development the parent
[1:18:45] company of the developer that is in a
[1:18:48] lease agreement with Longhorn the parent
[1:18:51] company of Longhorn is Dart in
[1:18:53] restaurants
[1:18:54] some of y'all may know Darden is this is
[1:18:57] pretty much their Hometown
[1:18:59] um so I'm sure they take all this in
[1:19:01] consideration just as much as I do I
[1:19:03] know developers come in here and they
[1:19:04] propose things but with a particular
[1:19:06] relationship that we have with Darden at
[1:19:08] this time they're very cognizant of the
[1:19:10] situation and the magnitude of this
[1:19:12] development I just ask that maybe with
[1:19:16] the I know they're still you know
[1:19:18] building permits to be reviewed maybe
[1:19:19] the dumpster enclosure can be noted at
[1:19:22] that time maybe something be worked out
[1:19:23] at that time as well and I'm sure Darden
[1:19:26] they would be okay with you know working
[1:19:27] something out with the city too I know
[1:19:29] we're not just going to just let it ride
[1:19:31] and sweep underneath the rug I'm sure
[1:19:33] they want to address it just as much as
[1:19:34] we want to so we're very concerned about
[1:19:36] that but at the same time we are here
[1:19:39] tonight to uh just thank everyone for
[1:19:41] your time and consideration this has
[1:19:43] been a long process just thanks again
[1:19:45] for your time and just listening to us
[1:19:46] this evening
[1:19:49] Mr Cobb are you going to say something
[1:19:52] uh yes mayor you withdrew your motion
[1:19:56] yes okay
[1:19:58] definitely you don't have a motion on
[1:20:00] the table right now so there's nothing
[1:20:02] to table
[1:20:03] however you can that's true you can
[1:20:06] continue your consideration to a date
[1:20:10] certain and you will need to specify the
[1:20:12] day the mayor recommended September 7th
[1:20:14] but I will tell you those deadlines for
[1:20:17] submittal are coming up in the next few
[1:20:19] days
[1:20:20] um what is it next Monday
[1:20:24] or next Thursday
[1:20:26] September 1st we have to publish
[1:20:29] well it seems like we ought to be able
[1:20:31] to very quickly
[1:20:32] find the answer about you know with the
[1:20:36] deviations and all that good stuff and I
[1:20:38] don't want to hold up the project that's
[1:20:40] that's not the intent here it's let's
[1:20:41] get the information that we're lacking
[1:20:43] as quickly as we can okay one thing
[1:20:45] about it is
[1:20:47] yes there was a what they call it there
[1:20:49] was a development agreement done back in
[1:20:51] 1987 that was for the Twin Rivers PUD
[1:20:54] this is a commercial track within the
[1:20:56] Twin Rivers PUD subsequently there was
[1:20:59] probably at that time because it was
[1:21:01] before I got your a conditional use
[1:21:03] permit which is today's site development
[1:21:05] order that was done for the shopping
[1:21:06] center
[1:21:07] and so those were done the the
[1:21:10] the development agreement for Twin
[1:21:12] Rivers basically says it's C2 it follows
[1:21:14] C2 and that's really all it says doesn't
[1:21:16] get into the detail that we get into
[1:21:18] nowadays with our non-statutorial
[1:21:20] development agreements when you're doing
[1:21:21] a non-state 40 development you're
[1:21:23] establishing minimum standards you're
[1:21:25] not really doing deviations yes they
[1:21:27] look like deviations because it's
[1:21:29] something different from what's in our
[1:21:30] code but for this property you're
[1:21:32] actually setting minimum standards for
[1:21:34] that this applicant did us like with the
[1:21:37] parking this applicant did a study they
[1:21:40] said that there was there was capacity
[1:21:42] to accommodate the lesser of the Lesser
[1:21:45] thing across the entire property this
[1:21:47] does encompass the entire the shopping
[1:21:49] center as well as the long part it
[1:21:50] encompasses everything they did as
[1:21:52] parking study the parking study said
[1:21:54] that there was adequate parking to
[1:21:56] accommodate the restaurant as well as
[1:21:58] the shopping center they did a traffic
[1:21:59] study as well they really didn't have to
[1:22:01] do a traffic study because that was all
[1:22:02] taken care of during the approved back
[1:22:05] in 1987 with the approval of Twin Rivers
[1:22:08] uh so but you can continue it if you
[1:22:11] have questions yes that's within your
[1:22:13] your authority to say we would like to
[1:22:15] continue this then make sure it's to a
[1:22:17] date certain so that then we can get we
[1:22:19] can get the answers to your questions
[1:22:21] for you and get that put back in we have
[1:22:24] two meetings in September September 7th
[1:22:26] which is a Thursday and we also have
[1:22:28] September the 18th so
[1:22:30] so you're saying this is not a 24
[1:22:33] deviation then no not in this case
[1:22:35] you're setting the minimum standard in
[1:22:37] other words you're going to set the
[1:22:38] minimum standard for this development
[1:22:40] that's what you're doing that's what
[1:22:41] that's the difference with the between
[1:22:42] the development agreement and a site
[1:22:44] development order a site development or
[1:22:46] if it was coming for you it would be
[1:22:48] listed as a deviation a 24 deviation to
[1:22:51] the parking regulations but in this case
[1:22:53] you're actually saying that this
[1:22:55] property will have how much 200 257 so
[1:22:58] we're we're making rules right out of
[1:23:02] thin air and that is my concern is that
[1:23:04] we're making rules out of thin air it's
[1:23:06] not out of thin air well no it's based
[1:23:07] on stuff I agree based on studies but we
[1:23:11] don't have to have these be the rules we
[1:23:14] can have different rules because we are
[1:23:17] making them up not making them base
[1:23:19] basing them on but issues not parking
[1:23:21] right the issue is is the dumpster is
[1:23:24] the location so two considerations that
[1:23:26] I wanted to bring one is that this is
[1:23:28] not a a unique situation right in
[1:23:32] Suburban development when you have the
[1:23:34] development sat way back there are
[1:23:36] sometimes out Parcels right so we have
[1:23:39] several examples of that Central Square
[1:23:41] is building the last out parcel right
[1:23:43] the publics have several out Parcels so
[1:23:46] this is not an uncommon situation now we
[1:23:49] can try so for the dumpster if we cannot
[1:23:52] move the dumpster there are landscape
[1:23:54] you know solutions that we can you know
[1:23:57] enhance to to
[1:23:59] trying to to disguise right or to try to
[1:24:02] buffer or like get some fans that have
[1:24:05] to blow towards Longhorns or something I
[1:24:07] don't know we we can work on that so I
[1:24:10] don't know if um because if it's a
[1:24:13] completely rearrangement of the site
[1:24:16] then it's going to be very hard to come
[1:24:18] in September 7th right it feels like
[1:24:21] it's going to be beautiful can Longhorn
[1:24:23] agree to put fans blowing any potential
[1:24:27] smells well
[1:24:28] that's not it I mean we're not Engineers
[1:24:31] here but that's something all we're
[1:24:34] trying to do is we we know that there's
[1:24:36] a there could be a new sense caused by
[1:24:39] the dumpsters and we need to find a way
[1:24:40] a solution to resolve that nuisance but
[1:24:44] we're allowed to put that in this type
[1:24:46] of document that's what I'm saying this
[1:24:48] is such a flexible malleable document we
[1:24:51] can put these things in it and it could
[1:24:54] directly address the one concern
[1:24:57] that I I think we can probably address
[1:25:00] this late in the game which is the smell
[1:25:04] is that something you can just on that
[1:25:06] spot
[1:25:07] say you're cool with
[1:25:11] I feel like that would move over into a
[1:25:14] building permitting type of document
[1:25:15] while the mlup does kind of leave
[1:25:18] availability
[1:25:19] um for us to make deviations from code
[1:25:21] I'm not sure that it sets the
[1:25:23] availability to implement stuff above
[1:25:25] code requirements um so with that being
[1:25:27] said you know we did provide everybody
[1:25:30] as well as staff the parking studies
[1:25:32] support it the parking counts we do meet
[1:25:34] Seminole County code on the parking
[1:25:36] study as well and then we would just ask
[1:25:39] potentially that we could make a
[1:25:41] condition of this approval that we add
[1:25:43] additional landscaping or buffer between
[1:25:47] the trash enclosure and the rear uses as
[1:25:53] a condition of this document
[1:25:55] so how what would that look like from a
[1:25:57] legal perspective we would not
[1:25:59] necessarily approve this document per se
[1:26:01] tonight we would approve a document
[1:26:03] that's slightly modified and we'd still
[1:26:05] have to revisit it on the 7th
[1:26:08] I think that it's a messy mayor um
[1:26:11] procedurally I would like a chance to
[1:26:13] look at it just
[1:26:14] the options are in this specific context
[1:26:17] okay so it sounds like at this point the
[1:26:20] cleanest method is to continue this
[1:26:22] until September 7th I would continue it
[1:26:24] till September 18th that far I don't
[1:26:27] want to that gives them time to research
[1:26:28] it
[1:26:31] can you guys live with the 17th 18th or
[1:26:35] 18th whatever yeah
[1:26:36] I know you don't want to live beyond
[1:26:39] today but yeah no I understand I mean uh
[1:26:42] unfortunately we would not be able to to
[1:26:44] live with it because per our lease
[1:26:46] agreement we have to have government
[1:26:48] approval by a certain date
[1:26:50] and what's your drop dead date like this
[1:26:52] Friday so Friday and your staff has been
[1:26:55] awesome with getting us here and I
[1:26:58] appreciate every one of you guys but it
[1:27:00] is really is it's like it's at that
[1:27:02] point and so as far as certain
[1:27:04] conditions that we can discuss I mean I
[1:27:06] know there's
[1:27:07] um as far as dumpster enclosure you know
[1:27:09] as far as if there's regular maintenance
[1:27:11] associated with that with pressure
[1:27:12] washing and cleaning of the dumpsters uh
[1:27:15] you know disposing getting them
[1:27:17] maintained more often you know we'd have
[1:27:19] to talk to the owner about that but yeah
[1:27:22] we're kind of at that at that critical
[1:27:23] moment that
[1:27:26] 2021 and if we don't get approved this
[1:27:28] week then
[1:27:30] all bets are off it's all done like and
[1:27:32] we're out I mean yes I guess the only
[1:27:34] question I would have in this back to
[1:27:36] staff how did we get to this point we're
[1:27:37] we're at a deadline
[1:27:39] tonight for the for Friday for this
[1:27:42] applicant it seems like this should have
[1:27:43] come to us sooner
[1:27:47] we can only bring when it's ready right
[1:27:49] so yeah but it's ready he has a deadline
[1:27:52] by this Friday I mean so how does that
[1:27:55] happen
[1:27:56] to me everything we do is on the clock
[1:27:58] we did not control the applicants
[1:28:01] right so everything if every time we
[1:28:05] review plans it's on the clock
[1:28:07] today's efficiency 21 8 Days first
[1:28:10] compliance 21 to a second compliance
[1:28:14] 14th when did the applicant turn in the
[1:28:18] proposed like who crafted this I'm
[1:28:20] guessing the applicant crafted the
[1:28:22] non-statutory development agreement when
[1:28:24] did it come in
[1:28:26] so I don't have debates here okay we got
[1:28:29] dates back here somebody's going to jump
[1:28:30] in and tell us
[1:28:32] I don't understand how we have four days
[1:28:35] development review manager the
[1:28:37] application came in in November of 2021.
[1:28:40] so
[1:28:41] this non-statutory development agreement
[1:28:44] has been in our hands for two almost two
[1:28:46] years and it's never been shown to us
[1:28:48] until four days before they have a
[1:28:51] triggered deadline am I understanding
[1:28:54] this correctly
[1:28:56] we've gone through the process where
[1:28:58] they go through review and then they go
[1:29:00] to land planning agency into City
[1:29:02] Council
[1:29:03] I'm talking about this document
[1:29:05] specifically the non-statutory
[1:29:06] development agreement
[1:29:08] when that that not the site plan not the
[1:29:11] architectural I know they've been going
[1:29:12] through different parts of review but
[1:29:14] this the nsda
[1:29:16] uh when did this hit our end
[1:29:21] it was November of 2021 that came in
[1:29:24] there was a period of time where this
[1:29:26] application laid dormant for almost a
[1:29:28] year
[1:29:28] and then they revved it up okay so this
[1:29:32] has been an on our in our court since
[1:29:34] 2021. the application came over here
[1:29:37] just the application not the nsda
[1:29:43] yes so the application comes it's an
[1:29:45] nsga in a conceptual development plan
[1:29:47] right this document the 21 Pages not the
[1:29:50] final one but in the final one not but
[1:29:54] the proposal the application to start
[1:29:56] the process yes the thought to create a
[1:29:58] 21-page or so document that began in
[1:30:01] 2021. at what point did was there a
[1:30:04] draft of what we're looking at now the
[1:30:06] 21 pages
[1:30:09] the the current draft that we have
[1:30:11] or some something kind of close to it
[1:30:14] that would have
[1:30:15] said what the buffers were and all these
[1:30:18] things
[1:30:19] the documents changed over time so the
[1:30:23] most recent where it was close to this
[1:30:26] version is probably back in May or June
[1:30:28] of this year okay so three four months
[1:30:30] maybe yeah and and since then there's
[1:30:33] been some tweaks in language and back
[1:30:35] and forth to make sure that the
[1:30:37] development agreement reported to the
[1:30:39] Twin Rivers ped and some other issues
[1:30:41] that we need to go ahead and iron out as
[1:30:43] far as you know having the proper owner
[1:30:45] and you know little items that we have
[1:30:48] to iron out to make sure that it's ready
[1:30:49] to go to the land planning agency and
[1:30:51] city council okay
[1:30:55] mayor if I may that there is no site
[1:30:58] plan at the moment that's submitted so
[1:31:01] you it is possible if the council once
[1:31:04] wishes to put
[1:31:06] um conditions on the approval of what's
[1:31:09] before you tonight that's that is an
[1:31:11] option if you would like to do that and
[1:31:13] then you can address the further
[1:31:15] concerns in the site plan approval but
[1:31:17] would this site plan necessarily come
[1:31:19] before us they don't have to correct as
[1:31:22] long as there's no deviations
[1:31:24] this is back to the thing we already had
[1:31:26] an issue with so I don't want us to get
[1:31:28] stuck in a spot where this is our last
[1:31:30] bite at the Apple and we don't address
[1:31:33] what would I think is a reasonable
[1:31:34] concern
[1:31:36] yeah unless you have specific requests
[1:31:38] so if you it's to enhance the landscape
[1:31:41] so that it buffers you know any nuisance
[1:31:44] you're laughing at me but I'm serious
[1:31:46] fans that's that gets the smell going
[1:31:50] the right way for sure if you guys can
[1:31:52] agree to fans
[1:31:54] I'm all in tonight
[1:31:58] so why not enclose it with a roof and
[1:32:01] put exhaust fans on it and then if it
[1:32:04] smells under the roof you guys will have
[1:32:05] to do something about it
[1:32:10] you know I don't know this this really
[1:32:12] is impacting existing
[1:32:15] restaurants out there I know you've
[1:32:16] probably worked in good faith but these
[1:32:19] these folks have been here for a long
[1:32:21] time and
[1:32:23] I can't see where it wouldn't impact
[1:32:24] them so we need to do something to try
[1:32:27] to mitigate that
[1:32:30] um
[1:32:31] I mean as of right now she's making a
[1:32:33] phone call to the director of real
[1:32:34] estate for Darden she's the key decision
[1:32:37] maker
[1:32:38] um she can see what asked if they can
[1:32:40] meet with with staff or or the I mean
[1:32:43] tenants the fans I'm I'm very
[1:32:45] open-minded to anything
[1:32:47] um but as we know with anything that's
[1:32:49] mounted outside such as a fan or
[1:32:51] anything like that how long is that
[1:32:52] going to last is it going to break down
[1:32:54] I mean I I totally get it that's the
[1:32:56] same thing with the gates yeah how long
[1:32:58] does it get I mean the gate's going to
[1:32:59] stay closed and they just leave them
[1:33:01] wide open that's right and you get the
[1:33:03] rodents and everything else in there in
[1:33:04] front of the restaurant right no I
[1:33:07] totally get it I totally understand what
[1:33:08] you guys are saying
[1:33:10] um I just feel like maybe during site
[1:33:11] plan review or building permit reviews
[1:33:13] some of that stuff can be addressed we
[1:33:15] can still sit down and have those
[1:33:16] discussions at that time I'm just asking
[1:33:18] for approval with conditions so we can
[1:33:20] move this still forward provide a nice
[1:33:22] sit-down restaurant for the citizens of
[1:33:24] Oviedo so
[1:33:26] is there even a mechanism in our code
[1:33:28] for us to approve condition upon us
[1:33:31] getting to deal with the dumpsters later
[1:33:33] I don't think we have we do okay please
[1:33:36] tell us about this method you could do
[1:33:38] it you could do a motion to adopt with
[1:33:40] the condition that
[1:33:42] the dumpster the dumpster enclosure
[1:33:45] we'll just call it I'll call it
[1:33:46] enclosure the enclosure of the dumpsters
[1:33:48] will have to be addressed at site at
[1:33:51] site development order to
[1:33:54] and it has to come back to council I
[1:33:55] think that staff can't do it on their
[1:33:57] own with increased Landscaping ever how
[1:34:00] you know even like Mr Britton explore
[1:34:02] that option you didn't answer your
[1:34:04] question you know and we wanted to come
[1:34:06] back to us I think do we all want it to
[1:34:08] come back
[1:34:09] versus staff just said oh that's as good
[1:34:12] as it gets I want to be sure that
[1:34:13] whatever solution we come up with
[1:34:14] actually works and that it's done
[1:34:18] I will say this coordination of the
[1:34:20] tenants you can insert language into the
[1:34:23] development agreement that the site
[1:34:25] development order must be approved by
[1:34:26] Council okay but you can't impose it on
[1:34:29] them they have to agree to it the
[1:34:31] agreement isn't it is an agreement they
[1:34:34] have to agree to the conditional
[1:34:35] language being added to the added to the
[1:34:37] nsda okay that their side plan will be
[1:34:40] approved by Council if they don't agree
[1:34:42] to it then we'll write back to I would
[1:34:43] say continuous okay but can I can I ask
[1:34:48] the applicant question real quick yes so
[1:34:50] you said that it has to be approved by
[1:34:52] the governing body by Friday right
[1:34:56] but it's not getting approved because
[1:34:58] the site development order or the the
[1:35:02] um final engineering does this allow a
[1:35:04] closing to occur is that that the bench
[1:35:06] Mark year ma'am I'm sorry does this
[1:35:09] allow a closing to occur like you get
[1:35:10] the nsda then everything is set so you
[1:35:12] can begin your real estate moving okay
[1:35:15] so you're you're working towards a
[1:35:16] closing correct right okay and this is
[1:35:19] your deadline on Friday so if we approve
[1:35:21] it uh subject to uh adding language that
[1:35:25] the site plan will come before this body
[1:35:27] to make sure that we're cool with the
[1:35:29] dumpster resolution at a later date will
[1:35:31] that get you where you need to go
[1:35:34] I can't really answer that I don't know
[1:35:36] if uh she's she's probably on the phone
[1:35:38] with somebody trying to figure out what
[1:35:39] she's probably talking to a person that
[1:35:40] probably needs to be here to tell us yes
[1:35:42] or no uh unfortunately Madam I'm I'm
[1:35:44] unable to answer that part so
[1:35:47] um so I'm sorry okay well well can we
[1:35:52] can we do this and give them some time
[1:35:54] and let's you want to talk about the
[1:35:58] discussion item and then we can come
[1:36:00] back to this while you guys uh actually
[1:36:03] she's coming back now yep
[1:36:10] you're on the hot seat
[1:36:12] sorry so where we are right now is uh
[1:36:16] proposing language to approve this
[1:36:19] roughly as it is but added a provision
[1:36:21] if you guys will agree to it that the
[1:36:24] site plan uh the site development order
[1:36:27] will return to council so we can make
[1:36:30] sure we're comfortable with the the way
[1:36:31] the dumpsters are addressed
[1:36:36] so it's so the question that was then
[1:36:39] it's site plan not the site development
[1:36:41] oh that okay
[1:36:49] happy to me if I could re request that
[1:36:53] this is bumped to the last item and we
[1:36:55] can have a meeting even with the
[1:36:57] panusa's representative to see if we can
[1:37:00] have any kind of agreement you know that
[1:37:02] would be good okay all right okay I
[1:37:04] think we're in agreement there all right
[1:37:06] okay thank you so what are we going to
[1:37:08] the uh we're going to the concessions
[1:37:10] the discussion item
[1:37:13] you guys are hardcore all the scouts
[1:37:15] thank you for sticking this out I am so
[1:37:18] impressed
[1:37:19] got a real lesson today they're helping
[1:37:21] us with a pledge of allegiance yeah
[1:37:25] you're good
[1:37:33] they're all revved up for you
[1:37:39] I got time to go to the restaurant this
[1:37:41] usually doesn't yeah we'll take a five
[1:37:43] minute bile break
[1:43:48] we're ready to go ahead and move on to
[1:43:50] discussion item
[1:43:52] [Music]
[1:43:56] so we're on item 15 here
[1:43:59] discussion item veto sports complex and
[1:44:02] Shane Kelly concession operations Mr
[1:44:04] Kyle be by the brief introduction are
[1:44:06] you going to let this Belden go ahead
[1:44:08] and jump right into it all right let Mr
[1:44:10] Belden go at it
[1:44:14] good evening honorable mayor Deputy
[1:44:16] married council members tonight City
[1:44:17] staff is requesting
[1:44:19] direction from city council with regards
[1:44:21] to Outsourcing
[1:44:23] concessions operations at Oviedo Sports
[1:44:25] Complex and Shane Kelly Park tonight
[1:44:28] staff is recommending that we amend the
[1:44:30] existing agreements with Oviedo Babe
[1:44:32] Ruth and the Florida crazed Crush youth
[1:44:36] organizations to allow them to operate
[1:44:39] their own concessions utilizing City
[1:44:40] facilities with the respective
[1:44:42] facilities that they use Oviedo Babe
[1:44:44] Ruth uses a comp Sports Complex creates
[1:44:47] crushes at Shane Kelly Park
[1:44:49] secondly staff is recommending that we
[1:44:51] utilize the net savings from these
[1:44:53] changes to unfreeze to maintenance
[1:44:56] worker one positions that would then be
[1:44:59] utilized within the Park's maintenance
[1:45:00] division in your packet we had
[1:45:02] attachment number one that provided
[1:45:04] those net savings to you
[1:45:06] to break that down for you from savings
[1:45:09] and temporary staffing and concession
[1:45:12] supplies there was approximately overall
[1:45:14] Savings of 137 thousand dollars
[1:45:17] on the flip side with us giving up the
[1:45:18] concession stands to the youth leagues
[1:45:20] there is obviously a reduction of
[1:45:22] Revenue so the net revenue loss
[1:45:25] incorporating the concession stand lease
[1:45:27] that the leagues would pay the city
[1:45:29] equates to a little bit over forty six
[1:45:32] thousand dollar deduction at the end of
[1:45:34] the day net savings is just shy of
[1:45:37] ninety one thousand dollars which we
[1:45:39] staff is requesting to be
[1:45:41] um
[1:45:42] recommended to unfreeze those two
[1:45:43] positions this evening it is recommended
[1:45:47] that city council provide discussion and
[1:45:49] direction to staff with regarding the
[1:45:51] libido concession stand operations and
[1:45:53] this evening I have joining me is our
[1:45:55] the president of your Babe Ruth Jason
[1:45:57] McCluskey he'd be more than happy to
[1:45:59] answer any questions regarding them
[1:46:00] taking on on their role best idea ever
[1:46:04] I've been hoping we do this for seven
[1:46:05] years it's about time
[1:46:08] so is uh
[1:46:10] is there going to be a cost sharing or
[1:46:12] is it going to be at least to the the
[1:46:14] leagues or what so
[1:46:16] presently if this is a uh if we get the
[1:46:18] proper direction this evening we would
[1:46:19] do an amendment to their agreement
[1:46:21] incorporating a concession lease as part
[1:46:23] of their normal agreement okay with
[1:46:25] regards to Oviedo Babe Ruth it would
[1:46:27] basically be twelve thousand dollars how
[1:46:29] much twelve thousand dollars Revenue a
[1:46:31] thousand dollars per per month okay uh
[1:46:33] Florida crazy crust would be a four
[1:46:36] thousand dollars per year uh broken down
[1:46:38] you know by monthly
[1:46:39] so where does the
[1:46:41] the revenue for the maintenance workers
[1:46:43] come from
[1:46:44] there's no revenue for the maintenance
[1:46:46] workers we're not paying people to sell
[1:46:48] constructions anymore yeah so so we
[1:46:50] pulled so we're pulling off City staff
[1:46:52] that were running the thing and
[1:46:53] transferring that over to them so labor
[1:46:55] running these concession stands is one
[1:46:57] of our key components it took it took up
[1:47:00] a lot of our uh you know budget uh we're
[1:47:03] not capturing the full-time hours that
[1:47:05] are associated with this so full-time
[1:47:07] staff are just being reallocated we are
[1:47:08] shifting our model of concessions over
[1:47:11] to the gymnasium and Aquatics facility
[1:47:13] the Cantina in Oviedo in the park and
[1:47:16] Riverside Park which soon will have our
[1:47:18] new Senior Center as well as a skate
[1:47:20] park so you weren't making money on
[1:47:21] these concessions we were they were they
[1:47:24] were making money
[1:47:26] um this is the chance that we just did a
[1:47:28] full review of the operations and we
[1:47:30] feel that by making these changes we can
[1:47:33] shift our resources elsewhere without
[1:47:35] losing the service level to the
[1:47:38] customers
[1:47:39] partnering with Oviedo Babe Ruth and
[1:47:41] crazed Crush will serve as a fundraiser
[1:47:43] for those programs they can now generate
[1:47:46] some fundraising activity to now be
[1:47:48] pumped into their program and
[1:47:49] potentially be offset and return to the
[1:47:51] city for maintenance so let me put
[1:47:53] another way your recommendation is a is
[1:47:55] a net
[1:47:57] cost to the city's Net Zero cost of the
[1:47:59] city
[1:48:02] there's true savings we are trying to
[1:48:04] reallocate those savings into the
[1:48:06] maintenance workers that are truly
[1:48:07] needed in the Parks division
[1:48:09] one of them would be stationed at Oviedo
[1:48:11] Sports Complex there's four individuals
[1:48:13] that maintain that facility so it's a
[1:48:15] net zero
[1:48:17] essentially I mean better cost recovery
[1:48:19] in our and our efficiency increases by
[1:48:22] making this transition
[1:48:24] okay okay
[1:48:25] do you want to say something
[1:48:30] I can't so uh my name is Jason McCluskey
[1:48:33] I'm the president of Vito Babe Ruth uh
[1:48:36] so like Paul pointed out that this is
[1:48:38] going to help us with fundraising in the
[1:48:40] park uh all of our families and stuff
[1:48:43] like that where we can donate stuff back
[1:48:45] to the park to do some upgrades that
[1:48:47] they're asking for
[1:48:49] um and basically just allow us to be
[1:48:51] open during all of our times because
[1:48:53] there has been some times that well the
[1:48:55] city can't host everything that we have
[1:48:58] going on so the concessions are closed
[1:48:59] and
[1:49:00] we have people asking us where they can
[1:49:02] get waters and stuff and we have
[1:49:04] injuries and nobody can get ice and
[1:49:06] stuff like that so this allows us to
[1:49:08] help out everybody that's there at the
[1:49:10] park to play with us so you guys are in
[1:49:12] agreement correct yeah we went through
[1:49:13] our board we've been talking now I think
[1:49:16] for like six months back and forth
[1:49:19] um and then we went to our our board and
[1:49:21] our board approved it I have not
[1:49:23] mentioned it to all of our players yet
[1:49:25] until tonight until it was approved or
[1:49:27] whatever uh then I was gonna go to the
[1:49:30] all the families to let them know but
[1:49:31] right now it's just our board members
[1:49:32] that know okay okay all right some
[1:49:35] crazies the same way they're
[1:49:38] was receptive we are still working on
[1:49:40] some of the the the details on how to
[1:49:43] take that over uh which I'm confident we
[1:49:45] would work those details out the uh
[1:49:47] Oviedo literally they don't use our
[1:49:49] facilities do they they're just out did
[1:49:50] they use um the sports complex but they
[1:49:52] have their own concessions stands at
[1:49:54] their facility now you're running that
[1:49:55] themselves okay we're one of the few
[1:49:59] municipalities that actually run our own
[1:50:00] concessions in the state little in the
[1:50:02] nation a lot of Youth groups operate
[1:50:04] their own concession stands and we feel
[1:50:07] um you know there's been discussions in
[1:50:08] the past about concessions and even the
[1:50:10] facility for that matter and after
[1:50:12] further thought and review of Staff I'm
[1:50:15] open to this opportunity um it's I think
[1:50:17] it's going to be a benefit for the city
[1:50:18] but I think it's gonna be a benefit for
[1:50:19] the community
[1:50:20] on top of that so so I have a I have a
[1:50:23] couple questions so the current
[1:50:24] concession supplies that are in there
[1:50:26] that were paid for by the city what's
[1:50:28] going to happen to those supplies are
[1:50:31] they going to be reallocated together so
[1:50:34] the the the reduction of supplies is
[1:50:36] sixty thousand five hundred dollars
[1:50:37] that's the savings so what's the Forty
[1:50:40] thousand for
[1:50:42] are we still putting supplies in the
[1:50:44] concession stand so yeah the remaining
[1:50:46] forty thousand is for the three is for
[1:50:48] the stands that are still open the
[1:50:49] gymnasium and Aquatics facility okay yes
[1:50:51] yeah we're still operating those things
[1:50:52] so but the the ones that are in the
[1:50:54] concession stand at at the at Shane
[1:50:59] Kelly and at
[1:51:00] um of the Sports Center Sports Complex
[1:51:03] those ones are those those con those
[1:51:06] supplies are going to be reallocated to
[1:51:08] the existence we reduce those completely
[1:51:10] from the budget from those four stands
[1:51:11] yes okay that's what he's asking is if
[1:51:13] there's stuff left over when they take
[1:51:15] over we're giving them shells of
[1:51:17] buildings not supplies that they're
[1:51:18] selling and keeping the profit that's
[1:51:20] one thing I didn't share with you as
[1:51:21] we're currently working on
[1:51:24] um as part of their Amendment any of the
[1:51:26] equipment that's left in the stands the
[1:51:28] league is um willing to purchase that
[1:51:31] back from the city as part of their
[1:51:33] Amendment
[1:51:34] but what if we have a city event at
[1:51:37] those facilities now we're not going to
[1:51:40] have access to the to the concession
[1:51:42] stands at the at the complex or Shane
[1:51:45] Kelly yes that's something we would
[1:51:47] still work in with them uh they would
[1:51:49] provide the opportunity to open
[1:51:51] concessions for those events we don't
[1:51:53] have any City events at those two
[1:51:55] locations right now other than the the
[1:51:57] crazed Crush Youth League games
[1:51:59] or the sports complex tournaments or
[1:52:03] their own you know
[1:52:10] we did the project pressure way back
[1:52:13] um
[1:52:15] my issue is is we're giving we're giving
[1:52:19] you know something that you know piece
[1:52:22] of our property you know over to them I
[1:52:25] mean there's a there's a lease agreement
[1:52:27] but then we're not entitled to use it
[1:52:29] anymore for anything that we may want to
[1:52:32] do right as part of the the agreement
[1:52:33] we're also going to require that if
[1:52:36] there's any usage in the in the complex
[1:52:37] that they're going to be responsible for
[1:52:39] opening the stands for those groups so
[1:52:40] if if a beetle B Ruth is not as complex
[1:52:43] but literally just using the you know
[1:52:44] two fields for instance they would have
[1:52:46] to open up the stand for that practice
[1:52:48] same for a softball tournament same
[1:52:50] thing just like for our adult softball
[1:52:52] teams that are City sponsored if we have
[1:52:54] a games going on on Monday night out
[1:52:56] there but there's no other activity in
[1:52:58] the complex Oviedo Babe Ruth will be
[1:53:00] required to open up the stand for our
[1:53:01] city-sponsored program okay okay and
[1:53:04] that's that's a revenue generator for
[1:53:06] for you guys I assuming you're going to
[1:53:08] be using volunteers right correct yeah
[1:53:09] so the volunteers uh basically of our
[1:53:13] members of The League uh we are so we're
[1:53:15] going to reach out to high schools and
[1:53:17] stuff like that uh and try to do the
[1:53:19] community service hours and stuff like
[1:53:21] that
[1:53:22] okay be careful with that I haven't used
[1:53:24] to do that
[1:53:25] we ate more popcorn than we sold yeah
[1:53:27] and there's also be a transition period
[1:53:29] with this
[1:53:30] um If This Were to if we got the
[1:53:32] direction from Council this evening we
[1:53:33] would use the month of September as a
[1:53:35] slow transition period we would you know
[1:53:37] the leagues only take on one stand
[1:53:40] the other two stands would be monitored
[1:53:41] by City staff so there could be a
[1:53:42] transition we're going to train their
[1:53:43] staff we're also going to work them
[1:53:45] through the tanks and
[1:53:46] um as far as the equipment and show them
[1:53:48] how to use it properly also make sure
[1:53:50] that their staff or volunteers are
[1:53:51] certified through the Safe Surf program
[1:53:54] so no it sounds like a good plan
[1:53:56] sale I'm not sold on that okay well
[1:54:01] greatest thing ever but it sounds like
[1:54:03] you got consensus so we have consensus
[1:54:06] right we have consensus okay all right
[1:54:07] all right sorry Bob all right thank you
[1:54:09] thank you thank you Mr McCloskey
[1:54:13] no appreciate it
[1:54:15] all right all right we're back to
[1:54:17] resolution
[1:54:18] 4364-23 Master land we use plan and
[1:54:22] non-statutory development agreement plan
[1:54:24] for Lockwood Village shopping center
[1:54:29] thank you Deputy Mayor so we reached an
[1:54:31] agreement uh we what we're going to do
[1:54:34] so he is we're going to flip the the
[1:54:38] dumpsters the enclosure they are facing
[1:54:41] now East
[1:54:44] now they're gonna face Southeast
[1:54:47] so they are not gonna face
[1:54:49] um if we can pull the the I got it
[1:54:52] pictured
[1:54:58] yeah that okay with you guys
[1:55:00] all right
[1:55:02] okay
[1:55:05] so it's not gonna face the restaurant
[1:55:06] anymore and uh what we agreed also is to
[1:55:10] increase the the enclosure the walls and
[1:55:14] then to enhance with landscape okay so
[1:55:17] they are not going to look at the
[1:55:19] dumpsters it's going to be now facing
[1:55:21] the drive aisle so where you see over
[1:55:24] there the South you know east corner
[1:55:28] where you have the huge island that's
[1:55:30] where we're gonna put the dumpsters and
[1:55:34] now they're gonna be facing 90 degrees
[1:55:36] to the
[1:55:38] um driving aisle that it's going you
[1:55:42] know to the east so that area is going
[1:55:45] where you have the dumpsters it's going
[1:55:48] to be moved and over there you're gonna
[1:55:50] have dumpsters to move higher walls more
[1:55:54] Landscaping more landscape enough
[1:55:56] so that little curved area
[1:55:59] Corner that's where the dumpsters are
[1:56:00] going to go yes there's some Landscaping
[1:56:02] in there and then you'll move the
[1:56:03] Landscaping over a little bit yeah okay
[1:56:06] all right okay everyone's agreeing and
[1:56:09] we are going to I'm going to um we're
[1:56:11] gonna communicate now with the
[1:56:14] um tenants and we are going to send to
[1:56:16] them just so that we need to make any of
[1:56:19] that in our in the motion or are we good
[1:56:23] we need words we can trust you and I can
[1:56:26] sign this on Friday so we're so we're
[1:56:29] not signing something tonight I want to
[1:56:30] make sure that the words that we come up
[1:56:32] with in this agreement is reflected I
[1:56:34] think you approved with the condition
[1:56:36] that the conceptual development plan is
[1:56:38] is is amended and the side plan reflects
[1:56:42] you know the amendment to show the
[1:56:44] dumpsters at that location where you
[1:56:48] have the island
[1:56:49] um not facing the restaurant so not
[1:56:51] facing the shopping center facing the
[1:56:53] South you know East portion with higher
[1:56:57] enclosures and enhanced landscape around
[1:57:00] it
[1:57:01] okay I move we do what she just said
[1:57:04] can we also add a second can we add one
[1:57:08] other thing
[1:57:09] that we don't have to amend the
[1:57:11] architectural design order to do this
[1:57:15] you've already approved it back in June
[1:57:17] and I would appreciate that we can do
[1:57:20] these these adjustments without having
[1:57:22] to think that they're going to change
[1:57:23] right yeah it doesn't change the
[1:57:26] materials no so that's what we approved
[1:57:29] yeah I just want to make sure because of
[1:57:31] the Mr developer can you do this as a
[1:57:33] field change
[1:57:35] okay uh
[1:57:38] we got Pastor bedtime
[1:57:41] at least we're not Winter Springs yet
[1:57:44] so
[1:57:45] Okay so
[1:57:49] all right so basically what I would
[1:57:51] recommend is this make it make a motion
[1:57:52] to adopt the resolution
[1:57:56] uh with the
[1:57:59] changes that were addressed by Dr Correa
[1:58:04] in that the dumpster area will be
[1:58:06] relocated facing the southeast and that
[1:58:10] there will be taller Walls and More
[1:58:12] landscaping and did I cover everything
[1:58:16] and that that has to be all done as part
[1:58:20] of the stock development
[1:58:21] I move we have adopt resolution 4364-23
[1:58:27] on the condition that we add in language
[1:58:30] that the angle of the dumpsters will be
[1:58:33] shifted to the southeast the walls will
[1:58:35] be higher by an amount of
[1:58:38] two feet
[1:58:39] and additional Landscaping in the form
[1:58:43] of
[1:58:45] bushes trees and other it that it will
[1:58:49] not pay a buffer an opaque okay A little
[1:58:52] pig buffer I like that something that we
[1:58:54] cannot tell is a wall so much vegetation
[1:58:58] we can't tell it's a wall
[1:59:01] I think that's the motion no that is the
[1:59:03] motion is that the motion I don't know
[1:59:05] if I said a complete sentence is the
[1:59:07] last thing but second you get the idea
[1:59:09] we have a motion in a second
[1:59:11] a discussion
[1:59:14] all right I'm glad we were able to
[1:59:16] resolve this tonight so everybody can
[1:59:19] move forward
[1:59:20] okay and thank you for coming and
[1:59:22] speaking
[1:59:24] oh yes we can
[1:59:26] all those in favor say aye aye
[1:59:30] thank you so much thank you
[1:59:31] [Music]
[1:59:36] okay city managers report I have no
[1:59:39] report deputy mayor all right City
[1:59:41] attorney's report
[1:59:43] Mr Deputy Mayor good evening mayor
[1:59:46] council
[1:59:47] I just wanted to report that at the last
[1:59:49] meeting you requested that I send a
[1:59:51] request for an advisory opinion to the
[1:59:53] division of Elections
[1:59:55] um pertaining to
[1:59:58] um whether the city's authorized to post
[2:00:01] factual information about the bond
[2:00:03] referendum on its social media as well
[2:00:06] as website and just wanted to let you
[2:00:08] know that that request was sent on
[2:00:11] August 14th the division of Elections
[2:00:14] confirmed receipt on August 16th and in
[2:00:17] the request I did include a statement of
[2:00:19] necessity for an expedited response so
[2:00:22] hoping to hear back soon
[2:00:24] thank you okay thank you
[2:00:28] council member Britton
[2:00:30] uh real quick just want to
[2:00:33] kind of update on the league of cities
[2:00:35] conference that we went to last week it
[2:00:37] was
[2:00:39] you don't always go to every every
[2:00:41] session they have but they had some good
[2:00:42] sessions on
[2:00:44] the effects of artificial intelligence
[2:00:47] they had a couple CNN anchors on there
[2:00:52] that gave a pretty pretty cool
[2:00:53] presentation on on the state of things
[2:00:56] that we have in our country and maybe
[2:00:59] the need to tone it down a little bit
[2:01:01] and I'll wait to see that from them
[2:01:05] one conversation I had was with a group
[2:01:07] that's
[2:01:09] vendor for this program called red speed
[2:01:12] and chief I've I've talked to you about
[2:01:14] it uh it's a program that the state
[2:01:18] legislatures have passed into the law
[2:01:19] where they would put speed cameras up in
[2:01:23] school zones
[2:01:24] and it'll
[2:01:26] have a sign they're saying you're on
[2:01:27] camera any car going over uh 10 miles an
[2:01:31] hour over the limit in the school zone
[2:01:33] gets a hundred dollar ticket
[2:01:34] automatically
[2:01:36] I think that's a good idea that there
[2:01:39] was a report on the news the other night
[2:01:41] that I think Winter Garden has already
[2:01:43] implemented it and it's it's pretty easy
[2:01:46] to see there's a sign that said you're
[2:01:47] on camera and here's your speed and if
[2:01:49] you don't slow down you're going to get
[2:01:50] a hundred dollar ticket so Chief I know
[2:01:52] you wanted to to work with the county on
[2:01:54] this but I I'd hate to wait to let that
[2:01:57] bureaucracy take effect is there any way
[2:01:59] we can
[2:02:00] take some steps and get out in front of
[2:02:02] this and maybe be the leaders on this
[2:02:07] okay I'm not advocating the fellow I
[2:02:11] talked to was very very impressive uh
[2:02:14] so but I'm not advocating a particular
[2:02:16] vendor just just want to see if we can
[2:02:18] go find someone that can do this and
[2:02:20] take the lead and do what we normally do
[2:02:23] lead lead stuff shouldn't we vet it a
[2:02:26] little bit more just to make sure that
[2:02:27] there's no there's always going to look
[2:02:29] at it may make sure it doesn't because I
[2:02:31] think there's some legislation that had
[2:02:33] to do with red light ticketing uh red
[2:02:35] light cameras this last season I know
[2:02:37] comes up over and over again and and it
[2:02:39] there's this red light cameras this was
[2:02:41] school zone I get it the red light in a
[2:02:43] school zone may be kind of different
[2:02:45] things but I think there will be some
[2:02:47] pushback
[2:02:48] well I hope there is because I go
[2:02:50] through school zones all the time and I
[2:02:51] get past like crazy especially on 419.
[2:02:55] uh I've been hit
[2:02:57] by a bunch of emails from different
[2:02:59] vendors on the same thing once once the
[2:03:01] bill was passed it only specifically
[2:03:03] governs school zones during school times
[2:03:05] is effectively a red light camera
[2:03:07] instead of a camera a red light is for
[2:03:09] Speed yeah and uh it's a flat rate
[2:03:12] already already decided to pass by the
[2:03:15] state legislator for all uh all of
[2:03:18] Florida
[2:03:19] I've we had a Chiefs meeting the other
[2:03:21] day and it doesn't appear to anybody in
[2:03:23] the county is ready to move forward on
[2:03:25] it uh any any municipalities or the
[2:03:28] county itself but we'll start looking
[2:03:30] into it and see where we go with this
[2:03:33] for what vendor and what it'll take and
[2:03:35] what the costs are and all of that so
[2:03:38] okay I don't
[2:03:41] try to keep in my mind what what school
[2:03:43] zones we have in the city and I think
[2:03:45] there's only uh on 419 maybe on Alafaya
[2:03:49] Woods Boulevard
[2:03:51] depending on depending on where they
[2:03:53] what roads they allow them on and I
[2:03:56] can't I don't I don't I can't give you
[2:03:57] that answer Mitchell hammock and uh
[2:03:59] Alfie Woods Boulevard yeah it's a
[2:04:02] signalized intersection but still yeah I
[2:04:04] don't yeah I don't see the sign hanging
[2:04:06] over the road saying you know 20 miles
[2:04:08] an hour when the lights flashing like
[2:04:09] they have correct uh in front of
[2:04:11] stenstrom uh in front of by just by
[2:04:15] every Elementary School somewhere
[2:04:16] there's probably one parking's got one
[2:04:18] on our street on Twin Rivers Boulevard
[2:04:21] Alfie Woods Boulevard
[2:04:25] off the top of my head that's the two
[2:04:26] Live Oak has one yeah that would
[2:04:31] probably be yeah I just uh I think it's
[2:04:34] attractive to me because I I see us
[2:04:37] every day people driving like
[2:04:39] Knuckleheads and if anything can keep
[2:04:42] them aware of their surroundings I think
[2:04:45] it's a good thing okay we'll take a look
[2:04:47] into it okay all right that's all I have
[2:04:50] all right
[2:04:52] council member Tucker is not here
[2:04:53] tonight Madame mayor
[2:04:56] on League of cities this
[2:04:58] I got a little note that I have
[2:05:00] officially been appointed to the
[2:05:01] taxation committee and I'm very excited
[2:05:03] about that because
[2:05:04] um part of their wrap up at the league
[2:05:07] and I was not on that committee I was on
[2:05:08] land use this last year but the taxation
[2:05:10] committee uh was they listed as the hot
[2:05:13] bills to watch the pair bills that were
[2:05:16] inspired by Oviedo and the once at sales
[2:05:19] tax and expanding its use to be allowed
[2:05:21] for maintenance in addition to Capital
[2:05:24] expenditures so I'm looking forward to
[2:05:26] digging into that on I think it's
[2:05:28] September 8th as the first policy
[2:05:30] meeting
[2:05:31] and also the original bills that were
[2:05:33] filed last year are coming back both of
[2:05:36] those sponsors are open to if we can
[2:05:39] address some of the concerns that kept
[2:05:41] them from moving last season they're
[2:05:43] they're both open to to file them again
[2:05:45] so I'm really hopeful that we can get
[2:05:47] this done
[2:05:48] and are you on a committee yes
[2:05:50] taxation okay which I have done before
[2:05:53] and it was not exciting but I'm really
[2:05:55] excited about this pair of bills so I'm
[2:05:57] going to power through it because we
[2:05:58] need all the whole state get excited
[2:06:00] about it okay I'm on the transportation
[2:06:03] and uh yeah you're like Transportation
[2:06:06] guy how many years have you been on that
[2:06:07] one
[2:06:09] I'm glad you do it maybe yeah that I
[2:06:12] poked my head in there and it's not as
[2:06:14] exciting as land use oh we have fun
[2:06:17] uh and one other thing I wanted to let
[2:06:19] you guys know about is there is a guy
[2:06:21] named Mr Young who noticed a problem a
[2:06:24] while ago and in one of our
[2:06:25] neighborhoods and that is that there was
[2:06:27] no place for the kids who were coming to
[2:06:29] the bus stop to hang out so he went and
[2:06:31] he had stalled a bench at his own
[2:06:33] expense in his house uh you know it's
[2:06:35] kind of by the sidewalk and then he
[2:06:37] planted trees
[2:06:38] and they've been there for a while and I
[2:06:40] think the city recognized him at the
[2:06:42] time but this post has gone viral guys
[2:06:44] everybody uh in the whole country now
[2:06:46] knows about Mr Young and the really cool
[2:06:49] thing he did seeing a problem he just
[2:06:51] saw this so I wanted to give him a shout
[2:06:52] out because
[2:06:54] it was just really cool seeing that he's
[2:06:56] like oh no big deal I know how to do
[2:06:58] this I'll fix it and and he did so
[2:06:59] that's an inspiration to all of us too
[2:07:01] we see a problem just fix it man
[2:07:05] that's all I got great council member
[2:07:07] Pollock
[2:07:08] I've got another report
[2:07:10] [Music]
[2:07:12] while you're out this time too
[2:07:13] [Music]
[2:07:15] um just a couple of things uh obviously
[2:07:17] there was a great Optical peers coming
[2:07:20] in and xanier that's uh always good to
[2:07:23] see them so that was great do you know
[2:07:24] what they're going to use that money for
[2:07:27] not yet not yet they'll come back and
[2:07:29] let us know dog food dog food yeah and
[2:07:34] officer Bongo I just we found he's going
[2:07:36] to be our second motorcycle officer all
[2:07:38] right congratulations to you sir that is
[2:07:40] great stuff
[2:07:42] cheap one more thing I had a few things
[2:07:44] for you tonight but one more thing was
[2:07:45] uh I would sit down in South Florida
[2:07:48] this week and I went by and I was
[2:07:50] telling Mr Cobb I went by the Fort
[2:07:52] Lauderdale Police Department and it is
[2:07:53] being torn down being rebuilt and that
[2:07:55] was curious if we could find out how
[2:07:58] they're doing that what is her plan to
[2:08:00] do it and how it's being funded Mr Cobbs
[2:08:03] suggested maybe you could reach out to
[2:08:04] your counterpart and see if maybe you
[2:08:06] could find out anything or know somebody
[2:08:07] down there that could find anything out
[2:08:10] yeah it looks like they're completely
[2:08:12] tearing down the building and rebuilding
[2:08:15] it but they had to fund it somehow I was
[2:08:17] curious how they were funding it and
[2:08:18] what was their plan
[2:08:20] property taxes property taxes the
[2:08:23] highest in the country
[2:08:25] donut but I thought was interesting
[2:08:27] especially since it's a hot topic for us
[2:08:30] so
[2:08:32] um
[2:08:34] and obviously uh
[2:08:36] the research I know that Mr shank had
[2:08:38] asked about research I know you kind of
[2:08:40] addressed a little bit Yeah if there's
[2:08:42] anything
[2:08:43] great I'm glad we were able to work out
[2:08:45] the situation with the longhorn and Cafe
[2:08:48] penuzo I'm glad we could come to our
[2:08:49] agreement on that appreciate everybody's
[2:08:51] work on that scat troop 787 they're
[2:08:54] already gone to bed so but thanks for
[2:08:56] them for for coming in tonight and uh
[2:08:59] that was good Paul that was a great idea
[2:09:01] with the concessions thing I think
[2:09:03] that's uh that's going to be a winner
[2:09:04] there so appreciate how you're looking
[2:09:06] at parks and rec as a business and
[2:09:07] really trying to find a ways there to
[2:09:09] improve it and really looking at the
[2:09:11] money so great job there there and
[2:09:13] that's all I got uh future meeting dates
[2:09:17] uh Monday August 28th we have a work
[2:09:19] session that is still
[2:09:22] uh Thursday August uh September 7th is a
[2:09:25] budget CRA governing board tentative
[2:09:27] tentative actually you're going to have
[2:09:30] a meeting but it's a different topic you
[2:09:32] did your budget tonight so okay
[2:09:35] Thursday September 7th we have a budget
[2:09:38] regular session with Council
[2:09:40] Monday September 18th at 6 30 we have
[2:09:43] budget regular session
[2:09:45] and Monday is September 25th is a work
[2:09:49] session tentative it's still tentative
[2:09:51] still tentative all right
[2:09:53] anything else for the good of the order
[2:09:56] we are adjourned