Yeah. I guess the
the more of the gradient of the eye is allowable or
These are just kind >> Well, that's that's a little harder for
me. So, you did that today? You did a scan You did the This is a
very >> Yeah.
» Because this is all like Because if the logo we had a lot of
the AI stuff and you you could earn the money and not do anything.
» Sorry, Joe. >> The second one had a lot like the second
one. >> Yeah, I guess.
So, anyway, >> Me, too. I did not I did not like the
frames. The frames had solutions. But anyway,
um um
he has amazing work and he does stuff on on science stuff.
» Oh, okay. >> And he cannot use AI, right?
» Yeah. >> And he does
3D like a It's very good.
And he told me that what we do with the
I know he does the sketch.
» Yeah. >> He put on the board and then the the
board is and they like and do the board. >> Yeah.
» And we did a little bit of that with the uh the
the board that was not AI. >> Yeah.
» Remember we did the research large >> Yeah.
» with the boards of one of the women. Just play there.
We did more research. It's okay to do
research too. >> Yeah.
» So, the thing is in the in the post-production
they need some reason.
It's so much fun. Bring to the conference.
I had a torture
So, I think that is pretty awesome. But I did not see that because he did not go
to YouTube to look at the AI.
So, we need to have a >> Okay.
» I'm saying, can you at least disclose
» Something >> in the equation of how much AI you need
what software >> Yeah.
» It's one thing >> And how you
plan to incorporate it in the hand painting. in the hand cream?
» No. >> In the hand cream.
» You know, but also because my concern
I would like
If the council says this is the top one, and the agreement
So, it's just our statute represents only the top one because we want we
don't want to have one top one. >> Yes.
» I didn't know that. >> And they have a lawsuit.
So, we need representation from them. This is my issue.
» Yeah.
» Um so, that is the issue. So,
So, but this is all new. We have to We are working already with the framework
all the systems to bring to
the council. >> Okay.
» But at this one, he was like, "Oh, I Yeah, I use a little bit."
What if I What if I use a little bit? And I use a filter. I use AI to check if
those were AI filters or not. I use this as a filter
to see if it's if it's a true or false or not.
» Okay, how you doing? It's always
» All right. >> Yeah.
Huh? >> the corporation
» Yeah. >> Um
Yeah, it shows us AI is getting better.
» Then you're getting >> I know
what what one thing
» Yeah, they know Yeah.
It was a year, last year. So, >> Yeah.
» We're getting there. We're getting there, but no one ever tells
» some discussions with developers and stuff.
» Yeah, I work I work at Apple. It's my full-time job.
I've been there for
» Oh, yeah. >> Especially our president of sales.
» Yeah, you can you cannot be, please, political things
» I I I finally got caught.
» Even you plagiarize yourself.
» You have to give credit where credit's due.
» Credit's due. So, that is important. So, let's keep on
But, it's an interesting discussion because this is coming.
» Oh, yeah. And then it And then those that don't
give a crap about it, they're they're going crazy.
I don't understand how both can be evil like
Yeah. >> And now they are.
» great relations
That's my thing. People are betting on what will bad
bodies perform. What if a catering guy heard it in
practice?
Oh, like a bunch. Yeah. What does he do for Fantasy Football?
engineer Nice.
Yeah. Well, I'm applying to Draft Kings for
what it's worth. They do content mostly. So, I'm applying
there.
Yeah.
I don't think so.
Yeah.
Oh, you can say that. Okay. It has frozen words.
Okay. is this?
» All right. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to Oviedo City Council Chambers.
If everyone could please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.
» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
» Please join me in a moment of silence.
I would like to call our meeting to order. It is February 16th at
approximately 6:30 p.m. and we have all members of council present.
We're going to start on with the approval of the minutes. Do I have a
motion? I know we have >> um
uh ap- approve the minutes as amended on
the table in front of you. There was um
the way the way that one of the things was written before about a motion that I
had made um admittedly it was uh my language that
could be read a couple of different ways.
» second. Second. Okay, continue. >> Oh, okay.
Uh so, my langu- my language could have been read a couple of different ways,
um but I feel like in context of the whole discussion that we have, that the
highlighted language in yellow um accurately represents what we indeed
passed. So, I move to approve the minutes
as they are on the sheet in front of us. I don't know if I need to read it or
not. >> Okay, so we have a motion to change in
the minutes item number nine to read as a motion to adopt resolution number
2683-26 removing the two references for one year
after the child's birth in section eight. Item D was made by Alan Ott,
seconded by Megan Slatick. Do we have any discussion on this?
» I I concur that this reflects what happened. Okay.
» Any further? Okay. All those in favor,
please signify by saying I. >> I.
» All those against? The motion carries. We'll move on to public comment. I do
not have any written requests to speak. Is there anybody in the audience that
would like to address council at this time?
Hearing none, I will close public comment and move on to the consent
agenda. Um I would like to move off item number
nine
and make that into resolution 12A.
» Sounds good. >> Are there any other changes?
Okay. What is the pleasure of council?
» I move we adopt the consent agenda with removing the one.
» We have a second? >> Second.
» Okay. Any discussion?
I'll ask the clerk to call the roll. >> Mayor Slatick.
» I. >> Councilmember Ott.
» I. >> Deputy Mayor Tucker.
» I. >> Councilmember Broderick.
» I. >> Councilmember Britton.
» I. >> The motion carries. So we will move on.
We don't have any public hearings or first readings, so resolution number
4699-26, the forensic engagement for the Twin
Rivers Golf Course Enterprise Fund. Mr. Cobb.
» Uh thank you, Deputy Mayor. This is a request for council to approve a
forensic engagement authorizing Forvis Mazars LLP to perform a phase one
forensic investigation of the accounting books and records created and used by
SSS Twin Rivers OPCO LLC, which is Down to Earth, the company that manages the
golf course. And the
We The staff received some some concerns expressed by a local resident and
regarding personnel and operating and actually more on the operating side of
things as far as Down to Earth and what they charge to the golf course fund. And
we we did an investigation initially and determined that an audit would be
necessary, a separate audit from the one that's normally done when with the
city's annual audit. However, as we got in digging in further, we were able to
resolve a number of the accounting issues, but we started to notice that
there were some some operational issues that remained. And the one thing about
it was that the initial audit that we were recommending would not actually
address those operational needs. And so thank actually want to thank Mayor
Slayton. She she turned us on to she got a reference to
Forest Mazars and we talked with Mr. Bill Blend, who is with us tonight. We
also have Mr. Alex Gershner, who is with us by Zoom.
But we talked about a forensic engagement.
And this is then from what we learned from Mr. Blend is that this is a
two-phase process. That what we're talking about tonight is phase one. And
the the way I understand it is that the objective of phase one is to determine
if there are any issues. And I will actually I'm glad Mr. Blend
is standing up to cuz I'm going to let him get into the
get into the different details of what the forensic engagement is.
This what we've been They've quoted us a price of $20,000
for this engagement. There is money in the reserve fund
of the golf course of the golf course fund. There is a budget amendment with
your resolution that transfers the $20,000 from the reserve to the
accounting and auditing account. And so it's recommended after once he's
finished and we have discussion, we recommend adoption of resolution
number 4699-26.
» Good evening. Yeah, I guess I'll just clarify
kind of how we got to the idea of two phases.
We certainly spoke with management, spoke with finance staff, got some
background information, understand there's some issues that have been
brought up potentially at what's going quote what's going on at the golf
course. As indicated by your city manager, when you do have your financial
statement audit, that's looking at your financial information, right? That's not
really digging into If you look at the report, it talks about materiality, it
talks about the fact that they'll only be responsible for a fraud that was
material if somebody thought there was fraud. So
with the concerns that are brought to your attention by the citizenry, the
idea is that you want an in-depth look at that. So if you want that, you want
to do that outside of the financial statement audit. And so you have several
options to do that. We have a forensic team at the firm.
Alex Gershner is on here. I don't see him so I don't know when he may want to
jump in or not, but he certainly can jump in and I'll try to let him speak.
But the idea is that rather than do what I would call the shotgun approach is go
out there and start digging into everything and look at all kinds of
things is we hear from the individuals, the interested parties, the ones that
have brought these concerns to you, what staff has already looked at, and then
try to narrow it down to what really appears to be significant issues, and
then bring that back to you and determine how you want to proceed from
there. Alex, I don't know if you want to add any context to what I just
described. >> Yes, hello everyone.
Can everyone hear me? >> Yes, we can.
» Okay, thank you so much. My name is Alex Gershon.
Bill Blanton and I work together at Harvey M. Lazarus. I'm a director on our
forensics and valuation team. I think Bill described things very well
and we we typically approach these or we we like to do a phase one which is
really just the scoping where we have several conversations, look at some
preliminary documents, and then discuss our preliminary observations. And at
that point we can recommend some potential next steps and then it will be
up to the city as to whether we continue with those next steps.
» I mean, I can go on. I mean, I do whole sessions on how to do these types of
engagements. Alex can add to that, but I think I'd open it up for questions or
concerns they might have. >> Okay. Does anybody have questions at
this time? >> So, what's entailed in the first part?
» Mostly interviews with interested parties. So, we assume
council members, mayor may want to have conversations with us. We'll speak to
staff, the finance department. Then we'll go on to the golf course and talk
to golf course management, do walk-throughs of the activities that are
going on there, the operational activities as well as the financial
accounting activities. And as Alex indicated, scope it from
those procedures. >> And that's the first part. So, then from
that part if if >> Then it would be based upon what we
learn, come back to you and say, "Okay, this is what we've seen. We, you know,
see these areas of being potential areas for further evaluation or investigation
depending upon what we learn." Like can't answer the unknown, right? And
then you would determine if you wanted to proceed or based upon what you're
hearing, whether you think it's relevant for you to proceed, and then we would
take your direction from there. So, um >> Okay, so then how much
and estimated would the second part be? >> That Well, I I mean I that's that's the
reason why I'm not a fan of the shotgun approach cuz we could you then you get
all kinds of different pricing and we don't know what that is. So, I can't sit
here today and tell you, but when we come back to you, we can definitely give
you that information. I don't have that for you today. I don't have enough
information. I haven't looked at don't perform those walk-throughs, heard those
concerns. I understand there's some document or potentially a report an
independent or report that somebody's been provided that we'll take a look at
and evaluate um along with those other things that we're doing.
» If I may jump in here, um at the one of the primary purposes of
the phase one scoping and planning is to be able to come up with a a a stronger
and more accurate estimate of what the phase two would cost because I think
like Bill said, at this point, we just don't know enough to tell you what
procedures we recommend. Then, depending on what you approve us to move forward
doing, that will dictate what we estimate the price will be.
» What what is this report you're talking about?
» Um I I I guess I'll defer to the city
manager. You discussed You discussed I believe inf- Maybe I
Maybe my terminology is incorrect and may I I I want to suggest it a specific
formal report, but information as I understand it was provided or
communicated. >> There was public records requests for
certain financial documents revolving around the golf course find and it was a
review of those documents that we received a spreadsheet explaining the
review of those documents. It was more looking at the profit and loss
statements. And uh the there were questions within
why is this this, why is this that. And so that that's what Mr. Berlin is
discussing. It was a it was a spreadsheet that we received.
» From a citizen? >> Yes. From a citizen.
» From citizen. >> Does the citizen have experience?
» Um experience in that the citizen has
stated they have experience in the golf course industry.
» Hm. >> I've got a quick question as well. To
what extent do you compare our golf course to other golf courses and
operational differentials in phase one? Because I think that at the at the end
of the day like I think that's kind of what everybody's wondering is you know,
how how do we compare? Do we get a gauge on that?
» You can. You've got to first get into the specifics about your golf course,
uh rounds, hours of operation, um what the customer base is, if you
will, right? So there's a lot of variables in making that comparative cuz
you don't if you have a nine-hole course versus an 18-hole course, right? There
So before you can do good comparables, you have to really learn the operation.
So we have extensive experience with uh municipal golf courses specifically. a
nuance to that in a in and of itself. So yes, we have the ability to gather data
from other similar type courses, but I wouldn't want to
do that in To me, I don't think that would You could do that in phase one if
you wanted to, but I don't would not recommend that initially.
Unless you just wanted to do a straight-up analysis of comparing, you
know, courses of similar types. Then then yes, the answer to that would be.
» And I don't I don't know that that's what I would be looking to get out of
this. Um that doesn't hurt, but Mr. Cobb, I have a question for you, which
is how often do we maybe audit's not the right word, but
audit our golf course on a deep level since we've owned it.
» We have not done one. >> So, I I'm not against auditing it and
you know, transparency makes a healthy budget. But uh as far as is the goal
here to make sure we're doing everything the right way or is the goal here to
check our profit versus a city operating a golf course somewhere else. Um
» Well, it's to check our what how we are operating against
what the contract says and probably also compare with
standard pricing for other places to see if we are in range or if we are
you know being charged something substantially
different than others. Just so we know because it is a a choice
for us you know, whether we proceed.
» Yeah, and just as a simple example of why, you know, you got to get the deep
understanding of it is kind of what you alluded to. Some golf courses are
strictly run by municipal management, right? Municipal staff. That's going to
be different than one that's outsourced similar to the one that you have. And
then who's it outsourced to, right? So, again, there's there's variables in
that. >> And and maybe just a
I I don't know if it's tacky to bring it up, but you guys did the Joel Greenberg
audit, correct? >> Correct.
» So, you know, if you hire a friend and then you pay the friend something that
is not market rate, that would be the sort of thing that you would uncover,
correct? >> Correct.
As we look at things, yes. As we look at Yeah, again, what what what we would get
into in that regard is, okay, well, what are they doing on procurement, right?
How do they procure? Who are they doing Who are their vendors? What are they you
know, what's our understanding of that? Again,
going in, we could go, oh, let let's just go look at vendors. We just want
you to validate that. Well, maybe that's not where the issue is. Maybe it's in
I I I don't know, something to do with payroll, right? I I I don't want to I
don't want to throw things out there that might be misconstrued, but that's
the idea of this is getting a better, a fuller understanding, a detailed
understanding of what the operations are, what the potential issues are,
what's been already brought up, and then evaluate that. Alex, I don't know if you
want to add more context to that or expand upon that, but
» No, I I think you covered it it well, Bill. Um you know, phase one is a is a
light touch. We we review select documents. We have several
conversations. These are scoping conversations, and then we come back to
you with a recommendation for various areas that we could potentially look
into based on what we've seen to date, and then we take your direction as to
how we'd like to how you'd like to move forward.
» Okay. Will um
phase one or phase two address any uh I would say generally accepted accounting
practice recommendations? Would that come in the phase one or
would that wait till the phase two if we have it?
» We're certainly going to look at the accounting activities and how things are
reported. Yes, as part of phase one. If we If we look into that and then we
found out something was being reported incorrectly, um inventory's being
expensed, if you will, right? We We would evaluate things like that.
» Okay. And you provide recommendations on how to do it properly?
» Yes. >> If If I may jump in here, Bill, um
a any assessment of accounting at any level of detail would occur in phase
two. Phase one is scoping. If we catch wind of anything that we we feel like
might warrant some further analysis related to how things are being booked
from an accounting standpoint or even an operational standpoint, that will be
part of our observations that we share with the city, and then depending on
what we see in those observations, if there's something that may warrant a
further look at generally accepted accounting principles, uh uh then we can
absolutely do that. >> Okay.
» It >> You did say in phase two, I thought
that's what you had asked. >> know if it'd be in phase one or phase
two. >> I mean, we're we're going to have to
look at that to see what they're doing, right? So, from as you alluded to, that
that touch, that view of it, and then oh, well, this is an area of concern.
Doesn't seem like they know what they're doing, if you will, right? And then we'd
have to dig into it. >> So, I want to back us up for a minute
here, cuz this is kind of a weird topic. And and this is not with you, this is
more with the city. Um
and maybe this is a question for Mr. Boop or Mr. Cop, have we internally in
the city had concerns about the way our operator is operating our golf course?
» I've not had any concerns with the way the golf course has been operating
itself, per se. Uh we've not had any had any concerns in
regard to the accounting. Now, when this information was brought forth to us, we
took a look at how some of the accounting was done.
Uh could the accounting be have been done better? Absolutely, yes, it could
have been done better. But, you know, you get three or four accountants in the
room, they're going to give you three or four different ways to do the same
thing. Okay, now, from an operational perspective, I can't
answer that, because I don't have any experience in regard to golf course
operations. If I had experience in regard to golf course operations, I
could give you a better answer to that. And I think a large part of this is is
the golf course being operating being operated
efficiently. Is it being run correctly? And those are assertions that have been
made to us that I've told Mr. Cop, I don't feel comfortable addressing,
because again, I don't have any experience in those areas.
Does that help? >> Okay, yeah, it does. So, but you think
in general, what I'm hearing is we don't have any red flags that have come up to
us, but there's nothing wrong with more information and a check every now and
then. >> Correct.
» Okay, and that's what I felt on that. >> Correct. Absolutely.
» Thank you. Do we have any other questions?
» How long is phase one? >> I think
Alex, I'm thinking not too long. >> It would depend on the level of
cooperation we get in terms of scheduling our various meetings.
I think at the at the low end it would be a few weeks to have a a few
conversations with various people looking at various schedules,
looking at some very preliminary documents and then coming back to you
with observations. It could certainly take you
five, six weeks if people are slow to get together with us, but I would say
probably three to four weeks is a decent estimation, but only an estimation at
this point. >> Okay. Anybody else?
All right, thank you. >> All right, you're welcome. Thank you.
Uh Deputy Mayor, before you go into your your motion and discussion,
I wanted to let you know that part of your resolution does include a waiver of
the purchasing policies. Uh we wrote that in there because
we view it as time is of the essence. Uh the purchasing policy does allow the
city council to waive uh the the different aspects of purchasing during
times like this. We currently our contract is an automatic renewal
contract in which if we decide not to renew, we have to
give at least 90 days notice. And so we want to make sure that we get through
this process quickly so that we can, if we do decide not to renew the contract,
we can do so with and meet that 90-day notice. And so that's part of your
resolution that it does call for. Council does approve a waving of the the
purchasing thresholds. >> Okay, thank you.
What is the pleasure of council? >> I move we adopt resolution number
4699-26.
» We have a motion. Is there a second? >> Second.
» Any discussion? >> I think it's a a good thing after 9
years to take a good good hard look.
» I I mean I just struggle with this. I mean I I understand doing doing the
audit. I mean I understand trying to figure out and I also see that's $20,000
to for something that we're not sure if
there's really an issue, but I don't know.
» Anybody else? Okay. I'll ask the clerk to call the
roll.
Mayor Slayton >> I.
» Councilmember Ott >> I.
» Deputy Mayor Duggar >> I.
» Councilmember Bradford >> Nay.
» Councilmember Britton >> I.
» And the motion carries. We will move on to discussion discussion item number 13,
which is a land development code amendment.
Mr. >> Should we maybe do the resolution first,
number nine? >> Oh, yep. You know what? We're going to
back up to number 12A, which I snuck in there. Thank you.
Um number nine, now number 12A, resolution number 4701-26,
the mural final design award. I believe this is Dr. Correa, but
» Actually, I was going to ask you, do you want to have the same presentation over
again uh that you had with CRA? You can. She's
prepared to do so. >> I I don't think that's necessary. I
think we just need a discussion on this one.
» I I think I think that's the thing. One of the thing I I know that um Mr. Ott
and I spoke about today. Uh if the council does This is one of
the things where you have complete legislative on. You don't have uh
there's no there's no You're not applying anything to this. This is
discretionary. And so you have you can if you feel
uncomfortable with the recommended um
uh designs you can say look we we're not we can't
approve these designs and we want to send it back to the public arts board
and say go do another do go do another call to artist and
» Is this something we can table and ask to come back or do we need to reopen the
meeting? >> if you if you here's the thing with the
question of the AI if you send it back I think you need to send it back and say
do another call to artist and put in there no AI with direction on any of
your concerns. Uh if you if you uh
and which I would say you would want to you would want to say actually I would
ask Mr. Mr. Mr. Voss here to say no action on it to be honest if we could
take no action and just send it back to the the public art board. Uh the thing
about it is is that with the 15 items that you've had there is a there is a
there is a question of just how many of them actually used AI to make their
design. And so it would seem to me that if you
had these concerns about the 15 items and particularly the top four uh even
though I do know that Dr. Correa mentioned in the the CRA meeting that I
believe it was number four didn't use AI.
Um but the thing is is that my thinking is is that if you're going to you want
to send it back to the to the public art board I would I would recommend sending
it back with direction to go back out try again and then also if you want to
give any uh direction on hey don't allow AI or other type of stuff that you have
concerns about. That would be my recommendation to you I don't know if
Dr. Correa has anything else that she would like to to recommend as well but
that would be my thought is that my my thought would be don't take action
but I want to make sure that I that's okay with Mr. Voss.
» Yeah on on that point I think it would be appropriate if if that were the
direction the council wanted to go. You don't need to take any action on the
resolution that's before you and then just give direction back to the public
art board if that were >> Okay, so might be like a motion to not
take action and then we have a discussion about it.
» Or don't even >> Or don't even have a motion on it.
» Give direction no motion. >> Yeah, it would just be give direction.
Have your discussion now, you know, to figure out where you want to go and then
» Can we get do I need to get consensus right now to do that? So can I have
consensus to do that? >> Yes, send it back.
» Okay, so now we're good on that. And now we can go into discussion mode, so here
we go. >> So good evening, Deputy Mayor, Mayor,
Council members. So I think we are absolutely okay to receive it
back, to take it back to public art board and to open again if that is the
direction. I just need direction then to
what level of AI? No AI allowed cuz then that's what is missing from right the we
don't want to open again with the same open questions. So
it's a percentage, it's no AI, it has to be you know
» have to they have to paint it, right? Like that's the idea is that that artist
will do the painting on the wall. >> And that is not in question. I mean this
artist can paint can paint base we saw that, right? The issue is that it's the
generation of the design is the are we allowing generation of the design
being done by, you know, partially, completely by AI, no AI? So that's the
direction that we need. >> Is there a way to ask them to give
credit where credit's due? What parts of their sketch or their
concept was AI and what is not? >> Some some cities we have researched and
some cities do that. But some cities also have a level of 30%
is allowed, 40% you're eliminated. Um so >> Yeah, might
» I want to hear from council what is what is the tolerance level here.
» My concern would be whether there's something in a in the the concept that's
copyrighted by someone else. And >> You're absolutely right.
» up as a mural and then we get in trouble.
» So, let's put these into actionable things we can give back to her. So, I
personally I would like to say no AI. Um, I don't there's not going to be AI
on the wall when they paint it. So, in unless anybody up here wants AI to be
used in submission. >> Well, I I would not want AI to be used
in the submission, but I do not necessarily object to somebody using AI
to get a general layout idea, but whatever is turned in should be the
artist's own hand having made the thing. >> They can they can AI
» They can they can AI. Yeah, AI at home. Yes.
» That's fine with that. Um, is everybody on board with that? So, no AI and then I
guess the only question I had on there is we had you said two or three people
submit multiples. Do we mind if they put more than one
submission or is that still okay? >> I'm fine with it.
» I don't mind. >> We're still okay with that? All right,
is there any other tweaks? So, no AI, you can still have multiple submissions.
And then um, I guess I would ask and this is like optional, can they put a
link to their current works if they have it if they're submitting?
» Rather than we we requested. >> You do have to.
» And that is in the application. >> Okay.
» Um, so several um,
listed murals that they have painted or work that have painted. Um, the top
designer was the one that gave really the pictures of previous murals.
» And just to answer your um, issue on the copyright, so in the agreement um, the
artist will have to make a um, um, declaration that uh, he owns the
copyright and he's selling the copyright to us. So, that is already in the
agreement. >> Okay.
» I think that covers it. >> But I have one more thing. So, you know,
one of the things we talked about today was that the um the prompt for this, pun
intended, is the 100th anniversary anniversary of the city and beyond,
Oviedo past, present, and future. One of the things that caused uh some of
these submissions to not be scored as highly by the board, and and correct me
if I mischaracterize, was that they didn't um
» They missed the >> adequately capture this idea of past,
present, and future. And you know, when you go through and
you look at all of them, very few of them actually seem to.
And I I almost wonder uh is that perhaps um
too limiting of a of a prompt? Or maybe something that, you know, we got 15
submissions and and uh you know, maybe that's a thing
that's not going to be workable. Um because so many so many submitters
didn't choose to >> In our experience,
» Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. >> is because people don't read. Right?
They don't read the the call to artists. So, we are having the same problem with
the with the sculpture, and we had the same problem before. So, before we had
um for the two murals that we did a call to artists, we had the same issue. Some
were graphically were graphically beautiful, but did not have any
relationship to Oviedo. And when we were asking for the black history in Oviedo,
and the one that it the artist that won was the one that did the research,
right? So, some people just don't read the the call to artists, or maybe they
have already a mural design in mind, and they
propose. >> made up by our art board, the theme?
» Yes. >> Yeah, I'm
Yeah. But I mean, our board did make it up. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, is it does it make sense to to change that? Maybe, I don't know. But if
that's what If that's what the board wants to
continue with, then that's okay. But, also
maybe I would say if they wanted to change it, I might be okay with that
because it seems like we didn't get that when we asked for that.
» So, is that the direction from the council to
» you can ask for direction here. >> Yeah, I don't know.
» Does anybody want to change the theme? >> No.
» I think we'll leave it as is. >> Yeah, I don't necessarily want to
either, but it was something that that I thought of.
» So, no AI and then we're good. No AI, no limitations to the number of
the applications, right? >> as many times as you want as long as
it's themselves. >> Perfect.
» Thank you. >> Thank you.
» All right. Um now we are up to item number 13. Um a
land development code amendment related to special event and outdoor sales
events. Mr. Powell. >> All right. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. If
you remember back in our in our uh last work session, uh
you had a discussion about special event permits and about waiver of fees and and
um outdoor sales events. And the direction
that you gave us at the work session was to bring back uh for discussion some
ideas on how to address the issues. And so, uh the development services staff
has put together some recommended uh changes to section 2-291b
as well as to section 3.5i and j of the land development code. And I'll turn it
over to Dr. Correa and let her uh walk you through the the three changes
that we're recommending. >> Thank you.
So, um again, this is an update on the discussion that we had. Um um we can if
we can move forward. So, these are the criteria for special events. Um
uh we are not changing those. Um
activities held within the right-of-way, um activities on non-city property with
more than 200 attendees, um city signature event, um non-profit
events with off-site signage, food trucks if they are not approved on a
site plan, and then activities requiring city services, um, uh, and that is shows
in the exempt section for, um, schools and churches.
So, next slide, please. These are like the exemptions. So, activities held
within, um, a city park that do not require street closure,
activities sponsored by the city as approved by resolution, activities as or
programs implemented by the city as a government function, and events
organized by places of worship, schools when the activity is contained within
the limits of the property, um, uh, or, uh, of the places of, uh,
worship and schools, and when the activity does not require city services.
Um, this is the, um,
requirements for outdoor sales events. So, outdoor sales events is really for
this, the, you know, the, um,
uh, seasonal tree, Christmas trees, and the the fireworks. Um, they usually do
not require, you know, any city services. They are contained on a
property, and, um, and they usually happen twice a
year, maximum twice a year. Next slide. So,
these are the amendments that we did for the special events after our discussion.
So, we removed the, the restriction of not having only one event per calendar
year, and we, um, reduced from 14 days to
three consecutive days. Um, so, the duration of the activities
said no special event permit shall be issued for more,
for more than three consecutive days. And the three consecutive days duration
may be extended upon written request to the land use administrator or designee.
Most of our special events are less than three anyway.
Um, no more than one sing single special event permit shall be issued per month
for the same applicant property and event.
That is the change that, um, we are proposing.
And the next change, the next slide, is for the outdoor sales event, just
removing the four farmers market events. There will be no, um, limitation on the
number of recurring events because now we are, um,
allowing special events to have, um, um, to be, uh,
once a month. Um, this language was not in the
proper place anyway because farmers markets are special events for us.
Next slide, please. And that is, um, the section in the code of ordinances that
we are changing just to include that, um,
we are all waving the temporary sign permits and not the tent, um,
um, permit fees because they are issued by the building services. So, we
just removed the tent and we just made a,
um, inclusion that it's temporary signs, not permanent signs, that are we are
waving the fees. And in the work session, you all asked me how much a
tent permit is, um, cost and it's $79. And we do not, um, issue any permit for
bounce houses. That That That was another question that I had in the work
session. >> You said the tents were $79?
» $79. Usually they are minimum, so it's $50
for the minimum fee, 25 for the, um, a plan review, and $4 for the state.
» Got it.
» So, uh, I think that's all I have. Next slide is just the question, so
» Okay. >> I just want to ask if you have any
questions. >> Does anybody have any questions?
» We talked about this in our work session.
» Yeah. Okay.
» Uh so so you said this but
I don't think I quite heard it right. Um where the slide that says amendment to
the LDC uh
one I'm sorry sorry one article three section three
Are there page numbers? >> So we have two
» Basically uh where you took out the farmers
market. >> And for the next one from the outdoor
sales event. >> So and I think you said this no more
than two non-recurring outdoor sales event permits per parcel shall be issued
within a calendar year. >> Yeah, but farmers market are not outdoor
sales event. They are actually special events. So because now they are allowed
um once a month, that's fine. We don't We
did not need that distinction there. >> Right. Okay, so it's because they are
now special events. >> Well, they are special events cuz if
they were just selling groceries and in produce they could be outdoor sales
event. But they have grown to have more entertainment. They have food trucks.
They So they are more in the category of special events. And special events we
are allowing once a month anyway. So we would remove that.
» So is the historical society applying for a special event permit for every
farmers market right now? >> They are now starting to.
» But they previously did not. >> For many years that was under the radar,
but I think it has grown us also to be a a bigger event.
» Now, is that only because they are wanting to exceed the footprint of land
owned by the city cuz I'm looking and I don't know if this is for for now or for
discussion time, but you know, 3.5 there's the number of attendees limit
which I think is not related to the size of the property
and we probably should discuss scaling that.
Um and then there's you know, who owns the land versus who
is organizing the event on the land. And for something like the the farmers
market, it that seems like an awful lot of work for staff to require a special
events permit if the market is willing to stay contained on the property that
is leased to the organization. >> So, they are not, right? They are in
fact the >> They they are. They are going to the
school, yes. >> So, we are fine even for this recurrent
special events, we are fine and we have discussed we have discussed that with
um, Mr. Cobb to allow if you don't change the layout you we can have we can
issue one permit for the whole year with the understanding that if you put a
tent, you have to um, have a a uh, the tents inspector inspected. If
you have a food truck >> But not if it's a 10 by 10 or smaller,
correct? >> If it's small tent, no. If it's a large
tent, the one that requires inspection. If you have a food truck, they need to
be inspected by fire every time a food truck is comes to the site.
» Okay. >> Right? Even if it is permitted to be
they hop the curb and they are on the Lotta House property, could that
hypothetically be approved in the one-time permit to allow
» We can approve in the layout. >> In the layout in the initial layout.
» Because for the layout, police wants to check, right? The perimeter of the
special event to be secure. So, we need to have the layouts. If they don't
change the layout, we can issue the special event permit for the whole year.
You have to show insurance and all the required documentation, but we would be
fine with that. But in the permit, it will be
there will be specified this is >> your food truck spot. And then if they
And then part of the food truck >> the inspection every time a food truck
comes to the site. >> Okay. And then that would be an
additional fee for the inspection every month.
» but that's that's required by the by by fire in the yes.
What why why is that that the food truck because they have a food license
already, right? But then every time they put it in park
now they have to have a re-inspection. >> Because apparently the issue is that
when they move the lines may loose up. So they need to inspect on the property
when they are uh when they park to see that is secure.
» So someone's act like actually touching the gas lines and
» That the fire marshal would do the fire inspection. Yeah.
» Oh. >> You want to come up and answer that?
» We also learned that recently.
» Good evening. Um the majority of the food trucks that do any kind of food
preparation cooking and stuff they use propane.
And whenever you're in travel transit from one location to another, a lot of
times those propane fittings could um come loose, create a leak, and that's
what creates the the the explosions and things like that. Um in Seminole County
we do have a basically a a food truck permit
that the vendors can use or they can apply for. We go out and do a thorough
inspection of the food trucks at that point. They they're issued a sticker. If
we see that sticker on a food truck at at our regular events, we just basically
go in with a what we call a um it's a gas detector
and we just check and make sure there's no leaks.
And that their that their suppression system is in compliance and in date.
» Okay. >> We do do that every time. Yes.
» So it's a fire inspection not necessarily a kitchen like a like a
inspection of a restaurant would be necessarily.
» I think it's for the safety of the >> Yeah. Correct. Okay.
» the food truck and everybody around, right? For
» Yep. >> Okay. All right. Thank you.
What is the pleasure of counsel? >> I
» I'd like to change some things. What about you?
» Uh who You you would start talking to >> Well, I'm
just a quick point where this is just a discussion item here. We're not
» Oh, well, yeah. I guess I should say what is the direction of council.
» just direction. >> Yep.
I mean, I Yeah, this is what we went over at the work session. So, I guess I
will You were not there. >> I wasn't there.
» So, so what is your input here? >> So, I I think that saying
that activities on non-city properties that have more than 200 people are
automatically trigger Yeah, that that automatically triggers the need for a
special event. May not make sense. So, if it's at the
mall, for example, like that is a place that is prepared as it was a originally
a DRI. It's a development of regional impact. It is designed to accept to
probably tens of thousands of cars and people every day. So, this 200
needs to be somehow scaled to the size of the property or
I don't know. >> So, I think, Mayor, the issue is that
you are in the mall, you're occupying the parking lot, right? So, again,
police needs to check the perimeter of the event
to be safe. So, if it's a large event with
you know, attracting a large crowd, this is something that police
would like to see just for the safety of the crowd.
So, even if you have >> not historically required that. So,
there I'm not I'm not I'm not going to call out events, but I know a lot of uh
we'll we'll just say houses of faith around the community routinely, like
churches are designed to attract people. The people sometimes stand in the
parking lot. Sometimes the people stand inside the buildings. The people go all
the places. Sometimes they stay outside for a long time. Sometimes they eat
outside. And I think all of this is fine, and that we should not be
regulating, you know, whether people after church
eat together outside. Or if they want to go to the mall and
eat in the parking lot in the mall. We have to treat people as the grown-ups
that they are. And I just like to see 200, you know, let's call it 2,000 or
something. I I don't know what an appropriate number is, but it would
probably be related to the size of the property in some form or fashion.
» Yeah, so houses of worship is something that uh
Yeah, caught my attention, too. And so houses of worship and schools don't have
to get permits to have events. And you know, they can have They can do
all kinds of stuff there on their own private property. And those are um
uh those are usually located within neighborhoods, right? Residential, like
especially elementary schools, it's right in the middle of the neighborhood,
you know, church is the same way. Uh you know, my thinking is that I like
that. Um I would like to somehow see that extended to, you know, like you
said, the mall because the mall is commercial property.
It's a lot It's a lot farther from where the events are held at the mall to
residential, right? I mean, it's a long way across the parking lot and then
across the road and wall and in part of the mall, right? Not not even
the whole thing. A lot of it is adjacent to you know, commercial and all this
other stuff. So,
yeah, you have this huge parking lot that was built for the mall in its
heyday to have a store in every um uh
you know, retail the place where you could put a store
and have enough cars there to to support Black Friday, right? And now, you know,
a lot of the mall doesn't have stores in it. We're not using all of the parking
lot. >> Oh, it does have stores. Don't be
disparaging the mall. It's 95% full. >> Is it really?
» It is. Yeah, there's a lot of stores.
Lots of other pop shops. >> Okay. I'm sorry. It's been a while since
I've been in >> You should go. It's amazing.
» Yeah. Okay. Um
» All right. We're going to go getting a little off
» we get um is there a way to do some of the smaller
events that are held there? Um you know, some of the night markets
and and stuff like that. I mean, the the impact to the
surrounding area is is got to be minuscule.
» You're right. There So we check impact, right? So we we check impact to the
neighborhood. And what you're saying the mall is less the neighborhood the issue.
The issue in the mall is to protect the crowd of the event, right? Because this
So you have schools and and um places of worship. It's it's in their
nature to have events of their own, right? It's not attracting
um a circus or, you know, or or a market, you know, a different market in
the mall in the outside. We have those events in the mall while
the mall is also under operation. So that parking lot is still being used
for the mall. So it in in if you have 2,000 people in the mall, you want to
protect the perimeter of the event because you want to protect the crowd
going to the event. >> Also, how much does a special event
permit cost? >> Um today 800 100 180 dollars.
» 180 dollars? Have we had anybody complain about having to do a special
event permit at the mall? >> I I don't think so. I Not that I know
of, but >> But I I do So if I'm summarizing what
you said right, and which is what I understand, is that the places you
mentioned, their primary use is to do what you're talking about.
» Mhm. >> These special event permits is a
secondary use that's a higher impact than what they were originally designed
for. So it's a safety issue. >> So today I had a request for a circus in
the mall. It's fine. Um we can we can do that, but that's a
special event. We need to see, you know, where the tent is going to set up, you
know, where, you know, how to protect the crowds because
unfortunately things happen, right? With crowds as well, so.
» All right. Well, that that makes some sense.
Um so, on
the same one, section 3.5, development permits, going down to
section two, uh I would like to
not see just events organized by places this is exempt activities it's events
organized by places of worship and public and private elementary, middle,
and high schools provided all of the following conditions are met.
I I would like to uh
eliminate all but the first one and and keep it that
as as long as the activity >> at?
» I don't know. This is attachment the fourth one down, I think.
The uh maybe not the fourth attachment. So, the four in our little open up
thing, it's the fourth one down, I think.
» Yep, attachment. >> So, at the top it says
Oh, now I'm at a different one. At the top it says section 3.5 development
permits. >> Okay. And then how
» So, it's down at the bottom there's two and then subsection D.
» up attachment three? Okay. So, the
» There we go. Yeah. So, scrolling just So, at the top I'd like to change 200 to
something scaled to other things cuz it's unclear to me whether
going over 200 then makes you I I think maybe you're exempt anyway
under the next subsection. So, if that's the intent that you're exempt over 200
so long as certain criteria are met, I I would just say as long as it's wholly
contained within the limits of the property owned by the place of worship
or school. So, if a place of worship or school uh condones an activity that they
consider harmonious with its purpose, then
we should not require a special event permit because they've allowed somebody
to come on campus and you know, host a concert like the same this is outside
city limits, but you know, St. Luke's concert series. Well, that's not an
organize that's not something organized exact well, maybe it is organized a
little bit by the church, but um you know, that
» What are you I'm confused at what you're getting at here. What are what are you
trying to get >> Okay, I want you to leave I want to
delete uh we're in the wrong place. >> Yeah.
» Go down scroll down I want to delete everything but number one. Uh the
uh I want to the two I and the three I uh get rid of those.
I don't think the activity should have to be organized by the place of worship
or school. It just needs to be there with their consent.
Um and I'll and I guess we could say the
city doesn't the activity doesn't require city services is a good one to
leave in there. >> I mean, these are tax-exempt places. So,
if you take that out, then they can for-profit host things and not have to
get permits. So, I don't if I'm reading that right.
If that if that's what you're saying. >> Well, I so I what I'm thinking is the
American Legion has you know, the Wreaths Across America
and the Memorial Day crosses that go out there and they get a special events
permit, which is waived, but it's a lot of
permits and and repeating of the same thing that was applied for in the
previous year and a lot of staff time when cemeteries are a place where people
go to have commemorative events. Like that's what the cemetery is for and
that's what they're doing at the cemetery. So, it seems like you know,
the the church allows that space to be occupied for that kind
of activity. I don't know. Maybe I'm making it too
complicated. They can repeat it over and over, but then it's extra work for staff
and the fees are waived and we keep just we just keep doing the same thing every
year.
» It It's hard to say how you would enforce organized by the place of
worship or school. >> Yeah, like how would you know? They
would Some snitches get stitches. They'd be like, "That concert wasn't organized
by the church." So, we're Now the city's going to go get them.
» All right, hold on. Let's Let's bring it back in here. So,
I think No, but for what we're looking at here
as far as what we want to change, I think essentially the proposed changes,
it seems like everybody's on board, but there's questionable more changes.
» Yes. >> So, as far as direction we have is yes
on the changes proposed. >> Mhm.
» Um I would like to
I guess table your input and see if you can sit down with staff and come back
with something concrete we would like to change for
» Okay. >> discussion.
» All right. >> Does that work? Because that That works.
I just don't see anything cohesive here on what we want to do.
» Okay. >> Okay, well, are you guys okay with that?
» Do we want to >> The 200 attendees.
» Um I don't think we should change that right now, but
that could be something we look into and come back with. Is there anybody else
that would like to change that right now?
» No. >> Okay. So, I No, we're going to we're
going to table the rest for right now and move on with the direction we have.
So, and come back from there. So, I will ask if you want any more changes, you
meet with staff and come back on that. So, we're going to move on from this.
» Thank you. >> All right. So, we're going to move on to
the city manager's report. >> I have no report, Deputy Mayor.
» Okay. The city attorney's report. >> Deputy Mayor, I have nothing to report.
» Councilmember Britton. >> Okay, I got a few items and and I'm sure
uh you can check them off your list if you're on it. We We did have the Relay
for Life golf tournament uh on uh last Friday. Again, it was a very
successful tournament. Everyone had a good time.
Uh I'm not sure how uh
how the scores added up, but I think uh other than that, we had a good time.
That's all I can say. Um
last Friday, I I the mayor and Mr. Ott uh
and I attended the Babe Ruth opening day,
and I was really impressed with with that that event and the fact that that
organization I read online that they have 980 kids
and players, but if I added up what they were saying,
they I think they had over 2,000 when you add up the
the rec leagues, the travel leagues, the softball leagues, and and all of that,
which is really cool because that's that many kids that are busy
doing something other than getting in trouble.
So, uh, that's why we have these parks and and these programs.
Uh, I should say that at the, uh, Relay for Life, I was approached by the golf
course, and they want to set up a senior golf program,
and I suggested in conjunction with the, uh, senior center across the street. So,
that's something that they're interested in starting, and I turned them on to
Sean Fitzgerald. Jack, I don't know if that's the right person or not, but
» Yes, Sean and Michael McGarvey. >> Okay. So, I think they're going to work
on that. I think that's a pretty pretty good, uh, synergy between those two
organizations. Um,
I wanted to ask about the status, uh, that came up a couple weeks ago, Bobby,
about the review of Lockwood Boulevard between
the, uh, bridge and uh,
senior center.
I think I made a comment then that maybe a barrier was would be better, but I was
looking at the bollards on on, uh, Mitchell Hammock down down at the corner
of 434. Maybe those those would work. I don't know.
» enough room to put in those bollards. >> What's that?
» Bollards will not work in that location. There's not enough room.
Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, what, uh, are you
» Staff has a report. They've prepared it. >> Okay.
» I've reviewed it. Mr. Cobb has reviewed it. He and I are meeting tomorrow to
discuss it. >> Okay. And there'll be maybe some
recommendations? >> Yes, sir.
» Okay. Other than other than what we already know?
» Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I I if you think about it, the
I mean, you're right on top of each other coming around that curve.
» Yeah. >> Um so, something should be done.
But, if you think about it for the bollards
like on Mitchell Hammock, >> Yeah.
» there's a there's a tiny concrete median. If you go out there and look at
that bridge where you come around, there's no shoulder. You've got Jersey
barrier coming up through there. There's no room to to really You have to really
squeeze the lanes, and so it's even going to be even tighter
» Yeah. >> from the curve. So, I would not
recommend bollards >> not sure if we need them on the bridge,
but the curve is what >> Yeah, well, now I agree we should try
and do something, and that could be like uh rubber pavement markers on the inside
on the on top of the double yellow line. They kind of let people wake them up
real quick once they hit it cuz they know they've gone too far. Something
like that. More of a safety improvement, maybe,
is what kind of what I'm thinking. >> Okay.
» So. >> All right. I'll wait to hear from you.
» But, I'll get the transportation planner, get his thoughts tomorrow, and
find out what what he thinks. >> Okay.
» So. He's smirking over there.
» I got uh two things left. One is uh
the city walking challenge. I think Mr. Boob is up there on the list. I don't
know how he walks that many steps, but uh
» Paul, you're getting farther ahead in these.
» Oh, is Paul? >> Yeah.
» Okay. I I see some names up there, and I'm not on the list, so I'm trying.
It's uh I turn my numbers in every week, so that that's uh pretty cool. I'm I'm
enjoying uh participating in that. And finally, this is just a
uh uh
Windows policy thing. I'm I'm looking at the flags back there, and I wish someone
would just straighten up those flags back on the back wall. Just
looks uh it looks sad that they've they've been up there, and they're
tilted, and not not uh
not straightened out, so it'd be nice if we can do that.
» I literally have my notes written on my paper right here.
» And that's all I have. Sorry. >> Bobby's on it.
» I think we're also just like staring right there, too.
Um all right, I'm up next. So, I did have a
count on meeting um the on February 4th, and it was in Casselberry this time. And
they talked about two different things, um, which I thought were both good. But
the first one is the city of Casselberry got, essentially, a grant matched with
another grant with federal government for a $21 million project to,
um, basically do a complete street,
um, retrofit over on, uh, 436. And when they brought it up, it looked
like everything we discussed about in our transportation plan put into one
project. So, um, pretty cool. Also, very interested on how they got funding to do
that. And I also know that area cuz I, you know, went to high school back in
the day over there. So, it's a it's a good area to be doing that, but they're
they're essentially road dieting their lanes a little bit. They're adding
subouts where all the turn lanes are to make it
safer for pedestrians and and cars coming around fast. And then they're
also adding a mobility trail, um, not in the road, nice and out, like you know I
like. Um, so, keep an eye on that. They said it'd probably kick off it, you
know, it's going to take a while. So, 4 years out, but fully funded,
huge project, and a good thing to watch for what we're looking to do here in the
future. Um, the other thing they talked about
has to do with us. So, if you remember a while back there was an opioid
settlement that we agreed on council to send our money's over to the county to
be a part of with several other cities. And it's been a few years, so they have
some results from that and it's it's really good news. So, on the
federal national level of overdose deaths, most places are averaging down
30% in overdose deaths, which is great. Um, but Seminole County has kind of
turned into the golden standard cuz we're down 50%.
Um, and that's a huge part of this program. So, I know we've all heard our
sheriff talk about looking at as a, um, treatment issue and a condition
versus a criminal issue. And I think that has a
lot to say there. But one of the things they're doing, and I have some goodies,
is they're giving out Narcan for free. So, they made a very big case that you
should not be paying for Narcan anywhere in Seminole County, and that goes for
citizens or businesses, and they have gotten these out to businesses all over
the county, so they're easy to access. And the other thing they
have is these little drug disposal things
that you put drugs you don't want anymore, and it dissolves them and you
can throw them away in the trash. So, I know our drug disposal at the police
station gets full sometimes, so this is kind of like a good alternative. But
they are putting stations up. They have like 20 different locations where
anybody can go get that for free, and I think on the side here, there's a little
QR code, if you see it. It teaches you how to use Narcan.
Um and they have them in a bunch of the
cities, and they're asking for other cities to put stations. So, like
Castleberry had one where while we were there. So, I was mentioning this over to
the city manager to see if we can find a location to put it at City Hall and then
spread the word. Um
the whole point of Narcan is it's not for you, it's for someone who needs it,
and hopefully you never need it, but they can't use it themselves. So, the
more places that have it available, that's how we get this number that we
have, which is a 50% reduction in deaths. So, I thought that was pretty
cool. And then the last thing I have here is
we all got invited because it is Black History Month,
um to an event February 28th. So, I believe you got an email from Jackson
Heights Washington Heights at Oviedo High School, and they are
doing a Stony the Road We Trod Black History
event, so just throwing that out there. Next up, Mayor Slayton. All right, well,
y'all covered most everything. We had Babe Ruth opening night on Friday, and
coming up this Saturday, we are all invited to Little League's opening day.
So, I think it's pretty great that we have not one but two phenomenal uh
baseball softball organizations here in Oviedo. That's all I've got.
Council member Oropesa. >> I Yeah, I think you guys have covered uh
most things. Um but we had uh the four chaplain service uh
uh ceremony over at uh the American Legion the other night uh or the other
day. And uh it was uh it was really good.
That's all I got. >> Council member Bradford.
» Yes. So, Chief, I mean, uh I'm glad we were able to do the grant appropriation
tonight as we get closer to get that high water brush truck, you know.
Hopefully, I mean, it's something that we not need, but it's good to have it
when when you need it. So, uh I'm excited about that.
Um and other Chief, we had the barbecue with the heroes today. So, that's a
great how you guys are getting out there in the community and interacting, you
know. So, I know they had the vest out for kids to wear and you know, the
badges and stuff for them. So, it's great again, you know, I know this had a
couple weeks ago was coffee with a cop. And then the barbecue with the heroes.
So, that was that's great. So, yeah, nice to see that.
And then we got a couple events coming up. Uh Police Foundation golf tournament
is is March 6th. It's a great uh event and it helps to raise money for the
foundation which helps officers uh that are in financial need. Uh also,
we have Taste of Oviedo on the 7th out at the mall.
Uh so, that's always a great event. Brings out a great crowd out there.
Following week uh we have the Hope Shamrock 5K.
I don't know, Chief, are you running?
And then we got uh St. Patrick's Day event uh 4:00
on that Saturday out here at Center Lake. So, obviously, uh some great
events coming up here uh this week. And then the the last thing I have is um
we got a email uh from Bobby Dragon uh talking about the motorcycle challenge
Uh that he was just saying he was in the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Bold City
Challenge. He took three third three first places
and then one third place at the event. Again,
a great you know, he's a good motor officer anyways and then you know, to
represent our city like that is fantastic and then he added on that cuz
of this I think was because of this he got invited to the to the police
technology and management to teach officers to be instructors. Was that
right? Yeah, so I mean this this phenomenal. I
mean what what an ambassador for our city and I know fire we have the same
thing. We get a lot of great people there that are ambassadors, you know,
they go out there and represent the city well and we appreciate everything that
you guys do. So and public works we like you too. So
just
That's all I got. >> Okay.
Future meeting dates. Monday, March 2nd at 6:30 p.m. we have a
regular session and Mr. Cobb on the 16th.
» I do we have a quorum for the 16th? >> I will not be here.
» I won't be here. >> No, we don't have a quorum.
You're not here, right? Or are you here? Spring break?
» I I don't get spring break anymore. >> Oh, that's true. You were a maybe, yes?
Mayor? >> Oh, I will not be here. Okay, we do not
have a quorum. >> Okay, no meeting on the 16th then.
» Okay. Is there anything else for the good of the order?
It is 7:35 p.m. and this meeting is adjourned.
» That's a great job.