1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,120 Yeah. I guess the 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,680 the more of the gradient of the eye is allowable or 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:18,240 These are just kind >> Well, that's that's a little harder for 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,400 me. So, you did that today? You did a scan You did the This is a 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,160 very >> Yeah. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,560 » Because this is all like Because if the logo we had a lot of 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,720 the AI stuff and you you could earn the money and not do anything. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,320 » Sorry, Joe. >> The second one had a lot like the second 9 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,360 one. >> Yeah, I guess. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:40,640 So, anyway, >> Me, too. I did not I did not like the 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,520 frames. The frames had solutions. But anyway, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:47,480 um um 13 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:49,000 he has amazing work and he does stuff on on science stuff. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,880 » Oh, okay. >> And he cannot use AI, right? 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,680 » Yeah. >> And he does 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:59,320 3D like a It's very good. 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,320 And he told me that what we do with the 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,240 I know he does the sketch. 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,480 » Yeah. >> He put on the board and then the the 20 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:09,840 board is and they like and do the board. >> Yeah. 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,760 » And we did a little bit of that with the uh the 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,840 the board that was not AI. >> Yeah. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,520 » Remember we did the research large >> Yeah. 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:22,280 » with the boards of one of the women. Just play there. 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,120 We did more research. It's okay to do 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,840 research too. >> Yeah. 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,680 » So, the thing is in the in the post-production 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,680 they need some reason. 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,040 It's so much fun. Bring to the conference. 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,040 I had a torture 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:45,440 So, I think that is pretty awesome. But I did not see that because he did not go 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,440 to YouTube to look at the AI. 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,600 So, we need to have a >> Okay. 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,240 » I'm saying, can you at least disclose 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,720 » Something >> in the equation of how much AI you need 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,480 what software >> Yeah. 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,440 » It's one thing >> And how you 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,160 plan to incorporate it in the hand painting. in the hand cream? 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,800 » No. >> In the hand cream. 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,240 » You know, but also because my concern 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,240 I would like 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:16,080 If the council says this is the top one, and the agreement 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,440 So, it's just our statute represents only the top one because we want we 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,640 don't want to have one top one. >> Yes. 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,160 » I didn't know that. >> And they have a lawsuit. 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,720 So, we need representation from them. This is my issue. 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,720 » Yeah. 48 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,080 » Um so, that is the issue. So, 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:49,000 So, but this is all new. We have to We are working already with the framework 50 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,000 all the systems to bring to 51 00:02:49,959 --> 00:02:53,360 the council. >> Okay. 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:57,120 » But at this one, he was like, "Oh, I Yeah, I use a little bit." 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:02,440 What if I What if I use a little bit? And I use a filter. I use AI to check if 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,760 those were AI filters or not. I use this as a filter 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,280 to see if it's if it's a true or false or not. 56 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,720 » Okay, how you doing? It's always 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,840 » All right. >> Yeah. 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Huh? >> the corporation 59 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:17,360 » Yeah. >> Um 60 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:17,360 Yeah, it shows us AI is getting better. 61 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:23,120 » Then you're getting >> I know 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,120 what what one thing 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,080 » Yeah, they know Yeah. 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,000 It was a year, last year. So, >> Yeah. 65 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,800 » We're getting there. We're getting there, but no one ever tells 66 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,800 » some discussions with developers and stuff. 67 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,120 » Yeah, I work I work at Apple. It's my full-time job. 68 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,120 I've been there for 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,400 » Oh, yeah. >> Especially our president of sales. 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,560 » Yeah, you can you cannot be, please, political things 71 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:57,000 » I I I finally got caught. 72 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,000 » Even you plagiarize yourself. 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,080 » You have to give credit where credit's due. 74 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,760 » Credit's due. So, that is important. So, let's keep on 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,040 But, it's an interesting discussion because this is coming. 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,440 » Oh, yeah. And then it And then those that don't 77 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,560 give a crap about it, they're they're going crazy. 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,240 I don't understand how both can be evil like 79 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,960 Yeah. >> And now they are. 80 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,440 » great relations 81 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,040 That's my thing. People are betting on what will bad 82 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:12,040 bodies perform. What if a catering guy heard it in 83 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,040 practice? 84 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,480 Oh, like a bunch. Yeah. What does he do for Fantasy Football? 85 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,760 engineer Nice. 86 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,720 Yeah. Well, I'm applying to Draft Kings for 87 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,640 what it's worth. They do content mostly. So, I'm applying 88 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,640 there. 89 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,600 Yeah. 90 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,800 I don't think so. 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,400 Yeah. 92 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:41,320 Oh, you can say that. Okay. It has frozen words. 93 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,360 Okay. is this? 94 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:00,560 » All right. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to Oviedo City Council Chambers. 95 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,240 If everyone could please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. 96 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:11,080 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 97 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:16,600 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 98 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,600 justice for all. 99 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,960 » Please join me in a moment of silence. 100 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:40,120 I would like to call our meeting to order. It is February 16th at 101 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:44,320 approximately 6:30 p.m. and we have all members of council present. 102 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:48,400 We're going to start on with the approval of the minutes. Do I have a 103 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,120 motion? I know we have >> um 104 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:56,839 uh ap- approve the minutes as amended on 105 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,839 the table in front of you. There was um 106 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,480 the way the way that one of the things was written before about a motion that I 107 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:06,600 had made um admittedly it was uh my language that 108 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,080 could be read a couple of different ways. 109 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,800 » second. Second. Okay, continue. >> Oh, okay. 110 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:16,880 Uh so, my langu- my language could have been read a couple of different ways, 111 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:22,480 um but I feel like in context of the whole discussion that we have, that the 112 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:28,120 highlighted language in yellow um accurately represents what we indeed 113 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:32,680 passed. So, I move to approve the minutes 114 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,800 as they are on the sheet in front of us. I don't know if I need to read it or 115 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,200 not. >> Okay, so we have a motion to change in 116 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:42,840 the minutes item number nine to read as a motion to adopt resolution number 117 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,920 2683-26 removing the two references for one year 118 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:50,280 after the child's birth in section eight. Item D was made by Alan Ott, 119 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:53,920 seconded by Megan Slatick. Do we have any discussion on this? 120 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,600 » I I concur that this reflects what happened. Okay. 121 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,960 » Any further? Okay. All those in favor, 122 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,400 please signify by saying I. >> I. 123 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:08,040 » All those against? The motion carries. We'll move on to public comment. I do 124 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,680 not have any written requests to speak. Is there anybody in the audience that 125 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,080 would like to address council at this time? 126 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:19,040 Hearing none, I will close public comment and move on to the consent 127 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:24,000 agenda. Um I would like to move off item number 128 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,000 nine 129 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:32,320 and make that into resolution 12A. 130 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:36,960 » Sounds good. >> Are there any other changes? 131 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:42,280 Okay. What is the pleasure of council? 132 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:47,440 » I move we adopt the consent agenda with removing the one. 133 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,440 » We have a second? >> Second. 134 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,400 » Okay. Any discussion? 135 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,120 I'll ask the clerk to call the roll. >> Mayor Slatick. 136 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,640 » I. >> Councilmember Ott. 137 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,120 » I. >> Deputy Mayor Tucker. 138 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,680 » I. >> Councilmember Broderick. 139 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,680 » I. >> Councilmember Britton. 140 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,240 » I. >> The motion carries. So we will move on. 141 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:11,480 We don't have any public hearings or first readings, so resolution number 142 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:16,400 4699-26, the forensic engagement for the Twin 143 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:19,000 Rivers Golf Course Enterprise Fund. Mr. Cobb. 144 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:26,280 » Uh thank you, Deputy Mayor. This is a request for council to approve a 145 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:31,080 forensic engagement authorizing Forvis Mazars LLP to perform a phase one 146 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:37,880 forensic investigation of the accounting books and records created and used by 147 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:41,680 SSS Twin Rivers OPCO LLC, which is Down to Earth, the company that manages the 148 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:47,440 golf course. And the 149 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:53,600 We The staff received some some concerns expressed by a local resident and 150 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:59,680 regarding personnel and operating and actually more on the operating side of 151 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:05,200 things as far as Down to Earth and what they charge to the golf course fund. And 152 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:09,400 we we did an investigation initially and determined that an audit would be 153 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:14,560 necessary, a separate audit from the one that's normally done when with the 154 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:17,880 city's annual audit. However, as we got in digging in further, we were able to 155 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,080 resolve a number of the accounting issues, but we started to notice that 156 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,000 there were some some operational issues that remained. And the one thing about 157 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:31,760 it was that the initial audit that we were recommending would not actually 158 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:35,839 address those operational needs. And so thank actually want to thank Mayor 159 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Slayton. She she turned us on to she got a reference to 160 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:45,760 Forest Mazars and we talked with Mr. Bill Blend, who is with us tonight. We 161 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:49,160 also have Mr. Alex Gershner, who is with us by Zoom. 162 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:53,400 But we talked about a forensic engagement. 163 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,880 And this is then from what we learned from Mr. Blend is that this is a 164 00:12:54,839 --> 00:13:02,280 two-phase process. That what we're talking about tonight is phase one. And 165 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:07,160 the the way I understand it is that the objective of phase one is to determine 166 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,640 if there are any issues. And I will actually I'm glad Mr. Blend 167 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:15,839 is standing up to cuz I'm going to let him get into the 168 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,280 get into the different details of what the forensic engagement is. 169 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:26,120 This what we've been They've quoted us a price of $20,000 170 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:30,720 for this engagement. There is money in the reserve fund 171 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:35,400 of the golf course of the golf course fund. There is a budget amendment with 172 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:40,880 your resolution that transfers the $20,000 from the reserve to the 173 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:45,160 accounting and auditing account. And so it's recommended after once he's 174 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:50,040 finished and we have discussion, we recommend adoption of resolution 175 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,040 number 4699-26. 176 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,880 » Good evening. Yeah, I guess I'll just clarify 177 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:01,040 kind of how we got to the idea of two phases. 178 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:05,200 We certainly spoke with management, spoke with finance staff, got some 179 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,080 background information, understand there's some issues that have been 180 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:14,040 brought up potentially at what's going quote what's going on at the golf 181 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:17,800 course. As indicated by your city manager, when you do have your financial 182 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:21,920 statement audit, that's looking at your financial information, right? That's not 183 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:26,880 really digging into If you look at the report, it talks about materiality, it 184 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:31,560 talks about the fact that they'll only be responsible for a fraud that was 185 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,560 material if somebody thought there was fraud. So 186 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,720 with the concerns that are brought to your attention by the citizenry, the 187 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:42,680 idea is that you want an in-depth look at that. So if you want that, you want 188 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,680 to do that outside of the financial statement audit. And so you have several 189 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,839 options to do that. We have a forensic team at the firm. 190 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Alex Gershner is on here. I don't see him so I don't know when he may want to 191 00:14:52,600 --> 00:15:02,839 jump in or not, but he certainly can jump in and I'll try to let him speak. 192 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:06,640 But the idea is that rather than do what I would call the shotgun approach is go 193 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:11,640 out there and start digging into everything and look at all kinds of 194 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:15,720 things is we hear from the individuals, the interested parties, the ones that 195 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:20,680 have brought these concerns to you, what staff has already looked at, and then 196 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:25,080 try to narrow it down to what really appears to be significant issues, and 197 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:28,920 then bring that back to you and determine how you want to proceed from 198 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:33,160 there. Alex, I don't know if you want to add any context to what I just 199 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,320 described. >> Yes, hello everyone. 200 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,720 Can everyone hear me? >> Yes, we can. 201 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,320 » Okay, thank you so much. My name is Alex Gershon. 202 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:47,280 Bill Blanton and I work together at Harvey M. Lazarus. I'm a director on our 203 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:52,000 forensics and valuation team. I think Bill described things very well 204 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:55,560 and we we typically approach these or we we like to do a phase one which is 205 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,320 really just the scoping where we have several conversations, look at some 206 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:03,000 preliminary documents, and then discuss our preliminary observations. And at 207 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:07,000 that point we can recommend some potential next steps and then it will be 208 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:10,160 up to the city as to whether we continue with those next steps. 209 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:18,640 » I mean, I can go on. I mean, I do whole sessions on how to do these types of 210 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,800 engagements. Alex can add to that, but I think I'd open it up for questions or 211 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,440 concerns they might have. >> Okay. Does anybody have questions at 212 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:30,280 this time? >> So, what's entailed in the first part? 213 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:34,680 » Mostly interviews with interested parties. So, we assume 214 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:39,600 council members, mayor may want to have conversations with us. We'll speak to 215 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:43,200 staff, the finance department. Then we'll go on to the golf course and talk 216 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:47,280 to golf course management, do walk-throughs of the activities that are 217 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,760 going on there, the operational activities as well as the financial 218 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,880 accounting activities. And as Alex indicated, scope it from 219 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,080 those procedures. >> And that's the first part. So, then from 220 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:02,640 that part if if >> Then it would be based upon what we 221 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,720 learn, come back to you and say, "Okay, this is what we've seen. We, you know, 222 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:13,000 see these areas of being potential areas for further evaluation or investigation 223 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:17,400 depending upon what we learn." Like can't answer the unknown, right? And 224 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,720 then you would determine if you wanted to proceed or based upon what you're 225 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:25,360 hearing, whether you think it's relevant for you to proceed, and then we would 226 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:30,480 take your direction from there. So, um >> Okay, so then how much 227 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:34,920 and estimated would the second part be? >> That Well, I I mean I that's that's the 228 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:39,520 reason why I'm not a fan of the shotgun approach cuz we could you then you get 229 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:43,240 all kinds of different pricing and we don't know what that is. So, I can't sit 230 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:46,960 here today and tell you, but when we come back to you, we can definitely give 231 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:50,880 you that information. I don't have that for you today. I don't have enough 232 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:55,000 information. I haven't looked at don't perform those walk-throughs, heard those 233 00:17:52,800 --> 00:18:00,240 concerns. I understand there's some document or potentially a report an 234 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:04,960 independent or report that somebody's been provided that we'll take a look at 235 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:09,240 and evaluate um along with those other things that we're doing. 236 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:15,200 » If I may jump in here, um at the one of the primary purposes of 237 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:20,560 the phase one scoping and planning is to be able to come up with a a a stronger 238 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:25,000 and more accurate estimate of what the phase two would cost because I think 239 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:29,440 like Bill said, at this point, we just don't know enough to tell you what 240 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:33,440 procedures we recommend. Then, depending on what you approve us to move forward 241 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:37,120 doing, that will dictate what we estimate the price will be. 242 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,640 » What what is this report you're talking about? 243 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:47,080 » Um I I I guess I'll defer to the city 244 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:52,280 manager. You discussed You discussed I believe inf- Maybe I 245 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:57,720 Maybe my terminology is incorrect and may I I I want to suggest it a specific 246 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:59,760 formal report, but information as I understand it was provided or 247 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:04,280 communicated. >> There was public records requests for 248 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:08,160 certain financial documents revolving around the golf course find and it was a 249 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:12,200 review of those documents that we received a spreadsheet explaining the 250 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,640 review of those documents. It was more looking at the profit and loss 251 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:19,360 statements. And uh the there were questions within 252 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:22,560 why is this this, why is this that. And so that that's what Mr. Berlin is 253 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,160 discussing. It was a it was a spreadsheet that we received. 254 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,200 » From a citizen? >> Yes. From a citizen. 255 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:33,120 » From citizen. >> Does the citizen have experience? 256 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,680 » Um experience in that the citizen has 257 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,320 stated they have experience in the golf course industry. 258 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:45,600 » Hm. >> I've got a quick question as well. To 259 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:51,120 what extent do you compare our golf course to other golf courses and 260 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:55,520 operational differentials in phase one? Because I think that at the at the end 261 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:59,520 of the day like I think that's kind of what everybody's wondering is you know, 262 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:05,400 how how do we compare? Do we get a gauge on that? 263 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:11,080 » You can. You've got to first get into the specifics about your golf course, 264 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:14,040 uh rounds, hours of operation, um what the customer base is, if you 265 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,440 will, right? So there's a lot of variables in making that comparative cuz 266 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:23,280 you don't if you have a nine-hole course versus an 18-hole course, right? There 267 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:28,880 So before you can do good comparables, you have to really learn the operation. 268 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:34,160 So we have extensive experience with uh municipal golf courses specifically. a 269 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:39,000 nuance to that in a in and of itself. So yes, we have the ability to gather data 270 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:42,720 from other similar type courses, but I wouldn't want to 271 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:46,200 do that in To me, I don't think that would You could do that in phase one if 272 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,400 you wanted to, but I don't would not recommend that initially. 273 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:56,360 Unless you just wanted to do a straight-up analysis of comparing, you 274 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,520 know, courses of similar types. Then then yes, the answer to that would be. 275 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,880 » And I don't I don't know that that's what I would be looking to get out of 276 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,680 this. Um that doesn't hurt, but Mr. Cobb, I have a question for you, which 277 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:11,240 is how often do we maybe audit's not the right word, but 278 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,520 audit our golf course on a deep level since we've owned it. 279 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,720 » We have not done one. >> So, I I'm not against auditing it and 280 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,920 you know, transparency makes a healthy budget. But uh as far as is the goal 281 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,480 here to make sure we're doing everything the right way or is the goal here to 282 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:31,280 check our profit versus a city operating a golf course somewhere else. Um 283 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:36,440 » Well, it's to check our what how we are operating against 284 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:40,920 what the contract says and probably also compare with 285 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:45,160 standard pricing for other places to see if we are in range or if we are 286 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,560 you know being charged something substantially 287 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:53,000 different than others. Just so we know because it is a a choice 288 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,360 for us you know, whether we proceed. 289 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:02,040 » Yeah, and just as a simple example of why, you know, you got to get the deep 290 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:06,680 understanding of it is kind of what you alluded to. Some golf courses are 291 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:11,120 strictly run by municipal management, right? Municipal staff. That's going to 292 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:16,240 be different than one that's outsourced similar to the one that you have. And 293 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:19,240 then who's it outsourced to, right? So, again, there's there's variables in 294 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,440 that. >> And and maybe just a 295 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:26,400 I I don't know if it's tacky to bring it up, but you guys did the Joel Greenberg 296 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,240 audit, correct? >> Correct. 297 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:33,120 » So, you know, if you hire a friend and then you pay the friend something that 298 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,280 is not market rate, that would be the sort of thing that you would uncover, 299 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,920 correct? >> Correct. 300 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:43,800 As we look at things, yes. As we look at Yeah, again, what what what we would get 301 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:47,240 into in that regard is, okay, well, what are they doing on procurement, right? 302 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,720 How do they procure? Who are they doing Who are their vendors? What are they you 303 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:54,200 know, what's our understanding of that? Again, 304 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,680 going in, we could go, oh, let let's just go look at vendors. We just want 305 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:02,400 you to validate that. Well, maybe that's not where the issue is. Maybe it's in 306 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,600 I I I don't know, something to do with payroll, right? I I I don't want to I 307 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:10,720 don't want to throw things out there that might be misconstrued, but that's 308 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:15,280 the idea of this is getting a better, a fuller understanding, a detailed 309 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:19,920 understanding of what the operations are, what the potential issues are, 310 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,840 what's been already brought up, and then evaluate that. Alex, I don't know if you 311 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,800 want to add more context to that or expand upon that, but 312 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:32,640 » No, I I think you covered it it well, Bill. Um you know, phase one is a is a 313 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,720 light touch. We we review select documents. We have several 314 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,440 conversations. These are scoping conversations, and then we come back to 315 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:44,640 you with a recommendation for various areas that we could potentially look 316 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,600 into based on what we've seen to date, and then we take your direction as to 317 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,680 how we'd like to how you'd like to move forward. 318 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:55,000 » Okay. Will um 319 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:59,040 phase one or phase two address any uh I would say generally accepted accounting 320 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,400 practice recommendations? Would that come in the phase one or 321 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,400 would that wait till the phase two if we have it? 322 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,080 » We're certainly going to look at the accounting activities and how things are 323 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:12,560 reported. Yes, as part of phase one. If we If we look into that and then we 324 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:17,720 found out something was being reported incorrectly, um inventory's being 325 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:22,080 expensed, if you will, right? We We would evaluate things like that. 326 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,440 » Okay. And you provide recommendations on how to do it properly? 327 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:32,280 » Yes. >> If If I may jump in here, Bill, um 328 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:37,320 a any assessment of accounting at any level of detail would occur in phase 329 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:41,960 two. Phase one is scoping. If we catch wind of anything that we we feel like 330 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:46,240 might warrant some further analysis related to how things are being booked 331 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:50,680 from an accounting standpoint or even an operational standpoint, that will be 332 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:55,400 part of our observations that we share with the city, and then depending on 333 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,480 what we see in those observations, if there's something that may warrant a 334 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,640 further look at generally accepted accounting principles, uh uh then we can 335 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,600 absolutely do that. >> Okay. 336 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,080 » It >> You did say in phase two, I thought 337 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,000 that's what you had asked. >> know if it'd be in phase one or phase 338 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800 two. >> I mean, we're we're going to have to 339 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:16,680 look at that to see what they're doing, right? So, from as you alluded to, that 340 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,600 that touch, that view of it, and then oh, well, this is an area of concern. 341 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,600 Doesn't seem like they know what they're doing, if you will, right? And then we'd 342 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,520 have to dig into it. >> So, I want to back us up for a minute 343 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:29,040 here, cuz this is kind of a weird topic. And and this is not with you, this is 344 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,720 more with the city. Um 345 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:37,360 and maybe this is a question for Mr. Boop or Mr. Cop, have we internally in 346 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:41,960 the city had concerns about the way our operator is operating our golf course? 347 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,920 » I've not had any concerns with the way the golf course has been operating 348 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:58,360 itself, per se. Uh we've not had any had any concerns in 349 00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:02,520 regard to the accounting. Now, when this information was brought forth to us, we 350 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,960 took a look at how some of the accounting was done. 351 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,600 Uh could the accounting be have been done better? Absolutely, yes, it could 352 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,360 have been done better. But, you know, you get three or four accountants in the 353 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,760 room, they're going to give you three or four different ways to do the same 354 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,640 thing. Okay, now, from an operational perspective, I can't 355 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:24,200 answer that, because I don't have any experience in regard to golf course 356 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,200 operations. If I had experience in regard to golf course operations, I 357 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,840 could give you a better answer to that. And I think a large part of this is is 358 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:37,280 the golf course being operating being operated 359 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,840 efficiently. Is it being run correctly? And those are assertions that have been 360 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,680 made to us that I've told Mr. Cop, I don't feel comfortable addressing, 361 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,720 because again, I don't have any experience in those areas. 362 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,560 Does that help? >> Okay, yeah, it does. So, but you think 363 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,680 in general, what I'm hearing is we don't have any red flags that have come up to 364 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,400 us, but there's nothing wrong with more information and a check every now and 365 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600 then. >> Correct. 366 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,280 » Okay, and that's what I felt on that. >> Correct. Absolutely. 367 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,600 » Thank you. Do we have any other questions? 368 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:10,800 » How long is phase one? >> I think 369 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:15,520 Alex, I'm thinking not too long. >> It would depend on the level of 370 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:20,000 cooperation we get in terms of scheduling our various meetings. 371 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,520 I think at the at the low end it would be a few weeks to have a a few 372 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,720 conversations with various people looking at various schedules, 373 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,960 looking at some very preliminary documents and then coming back to you 374 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,840 with observations. It could certainly take you 375 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:40,520 five, six weeks if people are slow to get together with us, but I would say 376 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:45,120 probably three to four weeks is a decent estimation, but only an estimation at 377 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:48,200 this point. >> Okay. Anybody else? 378 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,440 All right, thank you. >> All right, you're welcome. Thank you. 379 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:57,600 Uh Deputy Mayor, before you go into your your motion and discussion, 380 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:02,120 I wanted to let you know that part of your resolution does include a waiver of 381 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:08,280 the purchasing policies. Uh we wrote that in there because 382 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:12,680 we view it as time is of the essence. Uh the purchasing policy does allow the 383 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:17,280 city council to waive uh the the different aspects of purchasing during 384 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:21,600 times like this. We currently our contract is an automatic renewal 385 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:25,000 contract in which if we decide not to renew, we have to 386 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:30,200 give at least 90 days notice. And so we want to make sure that we get through 387 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,680 this process quickly so that we can, if we do decide not to renew the contract, 388 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:38,280 we can do so with and meet that 90-day notice. And so that's part of your 389 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:42,240 resolution that it does call for. Council does approve a waving of the the 390 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,760 purchasing thresholds. >> Okay, thank you. 391 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:50,600 What is the pleasure of council? >> I move we adopt resolution number 392 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,600 4699-26. 393 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,960 » We have a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. 394 00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:02,520 » Any discussion? >> I think it's a a good thing after 9 395 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,520 years to take a good good hard look. 396 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:10,920 » I I mean I just struggle with this. I mean I I understand doing doing the 397 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:15,600 audit. I mean I understand trying to figure out and I also see that's $20,000 398 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,880 to for something that we're not sure if 399 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,560 there's really an issue, but I don't know. 400 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,680 » Anybody else? Okay. I'll ask the clerk to call the 401 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,680 roll. 402 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,320 Mayor Slayton >> I. 403 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,840 » Councilmember Ott >> I. 404 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360 » Deputy Mayor Duggar >> I. 405 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,440 » Councilmember Bradford >> Nay. 406 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,880 » Councilmember Britton >> I. 407 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,600 » And the motion carries. We will move on to discussion discussion item number 13, 408 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,360 which is a land development code amendment. 409 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Mr. >> Should we maybe do the resolution first, 410 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,720 number nine? >> Oh, yep. You know what? We're going to 411 00:29:53,480 --> 00:30:00,880 back up to number 12A, which I snuck in there. Thank you. 412 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:07,040 Um number nine, now number 12A, resolution number 4701-26, 413 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:11,480 the mural final design award. I believe this is Dr. Correa, but 414 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,280 » Actually, I was going to ask you, do you want to have the same presentation over 415 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,680 again uh that you had with CRA? You can. She's 416 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,080 prepared to do so. >> I I don't think that's necessary. I 417 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,000 think we just need a discussion on this one. 418 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,280 » I I think I think that's the thing. One of the thing I I know that um Mr. Ott 419 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:31,640 and I spoke about today. Uh if the council does This is one of 420 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,880 the things where you have complete legislative on. You don't have uh 421 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000 there's no there's no You're not applying anything to this. This is 422 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:46,320 discretionary. And so you have you can if you feel 423 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:49,400 uncomfortable with the recommended um 424 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:54,400 uh designs you can say look we we're not we can't 425 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:58,080 approve these designs and we want to send it back to the public arts board 426 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:02,720 and say go do another do go do another call to artist and 427 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,720 » Is this something we can table and ask to come back or do we need to reopen the 428 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,320 meeting? >> if you if you here's the thing with the 429 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:13,840 question of the AI if you send it back I think you need to send it back and say 430 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:20,840 do another call to artist and put in there no AI with direction on any of 431 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:24,840 your concerns. Uh if you if you uh 432 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,320 and which I would say you would want to you would want to say actually I would 433 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:33,840 ask Mr. Mr. Mr. Voss here to say no action on it to be honest if we could 434 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,680 take no action and just send it back to the the public art board. Uh the thing 435 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,240 about it is is that with the 15 items that you've had there is a there is a 436 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,560 there is a question of just how many of them actually used AI to make their 437 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,040 design. And so it would seem to me that if you 438 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,880 had these concerns about the 15 items and particularly the top four uh even 439 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:58,960 though I do know that Dr. Correa mentioned in the the CRA meeting that I 440 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:03,760 believe it was number four didn't use AI. 441 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,440 Um but the thing is is that my thinking is is that if you're going to you want 442 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:12,200 to send it back to the to the public art board I would I would recommend sending 443 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:18,360 it back with direction to go back out try again and then also if you want to 444 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:23,040 give any uh direction on hey don't allow AI or other type of stuff that you have 445 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,000 concerns about. That would be my recommendation to you I don't know if 446 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:31,920 Dr. Correa has anything else that she would like to to recommend as well but 447 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,880 that would be my thought is that my my thought would be don't take action 448 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,640 but I want to make sure that I that's okay with Mr. Voss. 449 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,600 » Yeah on on that point I think it would be appropriate if if that were the 450 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,600 direction the council wanted to go. You don't need to take any action on the 451 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,640 resolution that's before you and then just give direction back to the public 452 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,080 art board if that were >> Okay, so might be like a motion to not 453 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,880 take action and then we have a discussion about it. 454 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080 » Or don't even >> Or don't even have a motion on it. 455 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,880 » Give direction no motion. >> Yeah, it would just be give direction. 456 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Have your discussion now, you know, to figure out where you want to go and then 457 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,760 » Can we get do I need to get consensus right now to do that? So can I have 458 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,880 consensus to do that? >> Yes, send it back. 459 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,240 » Okay, so now we're good on that. And now we can go into discussion mode, so here 460 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,000 we go. >> So good evening, Deputy Mayor, Mayor, 461 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:23,080 Council members. So I think we are absolutely okay to receive it 462 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:31,880 back, to take it back to public art board and to open again if that is the 463 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,880 direction. I just need direction then to 464 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:39,960 what level of AI? No AI allowed cuz then that's what is missing from right the we 465 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:45,040 don't want to open again with the same open questions. So 466 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,480 it's a percentage, it's no AI, it has to be you know 467 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,880 » have to they have to paint it, right? Like that's the idea is that that artist 468 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:56,920 will do the painting on the wall. >> And that is not in question. I mean this 469 00:33:53,480 --> 00:34:02,880 artist can paint can paint base we saw that, right? The issue is that it's the 470 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:07,640 generation of the design is the are we allowing generation of the design 471 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:11,639 being done by, you know, partially, completely by AI, no AI? So that's the 472 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,800 direction that we need. >> Is there a way to ask them to give 473 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:20,840 credit where credit's due? What parts of their sketch or their 474 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,639 concept was AI and what is not? >> Some some cities we have researched and 475 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:33,159 some cities do that. But some cities also have a level of 30% 476 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:35,520 is allowed, 40% you're eliminated. Um so >> Yeah, might 477 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,440 » I want to hear from council what is what is the tolerance level here. 478 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:44,919 » My concern would be whether there's something in a in the the concept that's 479 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,360 copyrighted by someone else. And >> You're absolutely right. 480 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,080 » up as a mural and then we get in trouble. 481 00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:54,280 » So, let's put these into actionable things we can give back to her. So, I 482 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,560 personally I would like to say no AI. Um, I don't there's not going to be AI 483 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,600 on the wall when they paint it. So, in unless anybody up here wants AI to be 484 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,200 used in submission. >> Well, I I would not want AI to be used 485 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:10,320 in the submission, but I do not necessarily object to somebody using AI 486 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:15,760 to get a general layout idea, but whatever is turned in should be the 487 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:19,040 artist's own hand having made the thing. >> They can they can AI 488 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,440 » They can they can AI. Yeah, AI at home. Yes. 489 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,880 » That's fine with that. Um, is everybody on board with that? So, no AI and then I 490 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,880 guess the only question I had on there is we had you said two or three people 491 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,640 submit multiples. Do we mind if they put more than one 492 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,920 submission or is that still okay? >> I'm fine with it. 493 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,880 » I don't mind. >> We're still okay with that? All right, 494 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:42,840 is there any other tweaks? So, no AI, you can still have multiple submissions. 495 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:46,640 And then um, I guess I would ask and this is like optional, can they put a 496 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:50,600 link to their current works if they have it if they're submitting? 497 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,640 » Rather than we we requested. >> You do have to. 498 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,160 » And that is in the application. >> Okay. 499 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,520 » Um, so several um, 500 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:03,480 listed murals that they have painted or work that have painted. Um, the top 501 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:09,640 designer was the one that gave really the pictures of previous murals. 502 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:16,280 » And just to answer your um, issue on the copyright, so in the agreement um, the 503 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:20,720 artist will have to make a um, um, declaration that uh, he owns the 504 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,240 copyright and he's selling the copyright to us. So, that is already in the 505 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,120 agreement. >> Okay. 506 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,560 » I think that covers it. >> But I have one more thing. So, you know, 507 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:34,880 one of the things we talked about today was that the um the prompt for this, pun 508 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:40,840 intended, is the 100th anniversary anniversary of the city and beyond, 509 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:46,800 Oviedo past, present, and future. One of the things that caused uh some of 510 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:51,040 these submissions to not be scored as highly by the board, and and correct me 511 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,560 if I mischaracterize, was that they didn't um 512 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,640 » They missed the >> adequately capture this idea of past, 513 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,840 present, and future. And you know, when you go through and 514 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:13,280 you look at all of them, very few of them actually seem to. 515 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:16,880 And I I almost wonder uh is that perhaps um 516 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:20,960 too limiting of a of a prompt? Or maybe something that, you know, we got 15 517 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:26,240 submissions and and uh you know, maybe that's a thing 518 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:30,240 that's not going to be workable. Um because so many so many submitters 519 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,520 didn't choose to >> In our experience, 520 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,960 » Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. >> is because people don't read. Right? 521 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,680 They don't read the the call to artists. So, we are having the same problem with 522 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:45,520 the with the sculpture, and we had the same problem before. So, before we had 523 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:49,320 um for the two murals that we did a call to artists, we had the same issue. Some 524 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:54,440 were graphically were graphically beautiful, but did not have any 525 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:59,160 relationship to Oviedo. And when we were asking for the black history in Oviedo, 526 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:03,400 and the one that it the artist that won was the one that did the research, 527 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:07,560 right? So, some people just don't read the the call to artists, or maybe they 528 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,440 have already a mural design in mind, and they 529 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,080 propose. >> made up by our art board, the theme? 530 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,800 » Yes. >> Yeah, I'm 531 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,840 Yeah. But I mean, our board did make it up. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. 532 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:24,120 I mean, is it does it make sense to to change that? Maybe, I don't know. But if 533 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,840 that's what If that's what the board wants to 534 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,560 continue with, then that's okay. But, also 535 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,600 maybe I would say if they wanted to change it, I might be okay with that 536 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,680 because it seems like we didn't get that when we asked for that. 537 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,600 » So, is that the direction from the council to 538 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,400 » you can ask for direction here. >> Yeah, I don't know. 539 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,120 » Does anybody want to change the theme? >> No. 540 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,840 » I think we'll leave it as is. >> Yeah, I don't necessarily want to 541 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,760 either, but it was something that that I thought of. 542 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,680 » So, no AI and then we're good. No AI, no limitations to the number of 543 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,960 the applications, right? >> as many times as you want as long as 544 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,080 it's themselves. >> Perfect. 545 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 546 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:06,800 » All right. Um now we are up to item number 13. Um a 547 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,520 land development code amendment related to special event and outdoor sales 548 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,960 events. Mr. Powell. >> All right. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. If 549 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:17,600 you remember back in our in our uh last work session, uh 550 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:22,160 you had a discussion about special event permits and about waiver of fees and and 551 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,280 um outdoor sales events. And the direction 552 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:31,520 that you gave us at the work session was to bring back uh for discussion some 553 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:36,800 ideas on how to address the issues. And so, uh the development services staff 554 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:44,120 has put together some recommended uh changes to section 2-291b 555 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:48,160 as well as to section 3.5i and j of the land development code. And I'll turn it 556 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:52,040 over to Dr. Correa and let her uh walk you through the the three changes 557 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,440 that we're recommending. >> Thank you. 558 00:39:53,400 --> 00:40:02,080 So, um again, this is an update on the discussion that we had. Um um we can if 559 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:06,920 we can move forward. So, these are the criteria for special events. Um 560 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,600 uh we are not changing those. Um 561 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,840 activities held within the right-of-way, um activities on non-city property with 562 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:19,800 more than 200 attendees, um city signature event, um non-profit 563 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:24,200 events with off-site signage, food trucks if they are not approved on a 564 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:31,080 site plan, and then activities requiring city services, um, uh, and that is shows 565 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:35,880 in the exempt section for, um, schools and churches. 566 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:40,920 So, next slide, please. These are like the exemptions. So, activities held 567 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:45,000 within, um, a city park that do not require street closure, 568 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:49,400 activities sponsored by the city as approved by resolution, activities as or 569 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:54,360 programs implemented by the city as a government function, and events 570 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,960 organized by places of worship, schools when the activity is contained within 571 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:04,000 the limits of the property, um, uh, or, uh, of the places of, uh, 572 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:09,600 worship and schools, and when the activity does not require city services. 573 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,520 Um, this is the, um, 574 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:16,960 requirements for outdoor sales events. So, outdoor sales events is really for 575 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:21,400 this, the, you know, the, um, 576 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:25,960 uh, seasonal tree, Christmas trees, and the the fireworks. Um, they usually do 577 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,800 not require, you know, any city services. They are contained on a 578 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:33,120 property, and, um, and they usually happen twice a 579 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,440 year, maximum twice a year. Next slide. So, 580 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:43,960 these are the amendments that we did for the special events after our discussion. 581 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:47,560 So, we removed the, the restriction of not having only one event per calendar 582 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:53,600 year, and we, um, reduced from 14 days to 583 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,440 three consecutive days. Um, so, the duration of the activities 584 00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,640 said no special event permit shall be issued for more, 585 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,480 for more than three consecutive days. And the three consecutive days duration 586 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:10,240 may be extended upon written request to the land use administrator or designee. 587 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,280 Most of our special events are less than three anyway. 588 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:18,600 Um, no more than one sing single special event permit shall be issued per month 589 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,240 for the same applicant property and event. 590 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:26,040 That is the change that, um, we are proposing. 591 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,160 And the next change, the next slide, is for the outdoor sales event, just 592 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:35,800 removing the four farmers market events. There will be no, um, limitation on the 593 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:41,280 number of recurring events because now we are, um, 594 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:46,400 allowing special events to have, um, um, to be, uh, 595 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:49,280 once a month. Um, this language was not in the 596 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:55,480 proper place anyway because farmers markets are special events for us. 597 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:58,720 Next slide, please. And that is, um, the section in the code of ordinances that 598 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:05,840 we are changing just to include that, um, 599 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:12,440 we are all waving the temporary sign permits and not the tent, um, 600 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:17,320 um, permit fees because they are issued by the building services. So, we 601 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,080 just removed the tent and we just made a, 602 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,800 um, inclusion that it's temporary signs, not permanent signs, that are we are 603 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:31,040 waving the fees. And in the work session, you all asked me how much a 604 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:36,240 tent permit is, um, cost and it's $79. And we do not, um, issue any permit for 605 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,880 bounce houses. That That That was another question that I had in the work 606 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,080 session. >> You said the tents were $79? 607 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:49,520 » $79. Usually they are minimum, so it's $50 608 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:55,080 for the minimum fee, 25 for the, um, a plan review, and $4 for the state. 609 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,080 » Got it. 610 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,320 » So, uh, I think that's all I have. Next slide is just the question, so 611 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,520 » Okay. >> I just want to ask if you have any 612 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,000 questions. >> Does anybody have any questions? 613 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,480 » We talked about this in our work session. 614 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,120 » Yeah. Okay. 615 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:16,240 » Uh so so you said this but 616 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,400 I don't think I quite heard it right. Um where the slide that says amendment to 617 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:22,960 the LDC uh 618 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,920 one I'm sorry sorry one article three section three 619 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,960 Are there page numbers? >> So we have two 620 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,320 » Basically uh where you took out the farmers 621 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,840 market. >> And for the next one from the outdoor 622 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:40,440 sales event. >> So and I think you said this no more 623 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:45,280 than two non-recurring outdoor sales event permits per parcel shall be issued 624 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:49,120 within a calendar year. >> Yeah, but farmers market are not outdoor 625 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:53,600 sales event. They are actually special events. So because now they are allowed 626 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:58,560 um once a month, that's fine. We don't We 627 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,760 did not need that distinction there. >> Right. Okay, so it's because they are 628 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,200 now special events. >> Well, they are special events cuz if 629 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:11,080 they were just selling groceries and in produce they could be outdoor sales 630 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:15,720 event. But they have grown to have more entertainment. They have food trucks. 631 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:21,080 They So they are more in the category of special events. And special events we 632 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:25,040 are allowing once a month anyway. So we would remove that. 633 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:28,000 » So is the historical society applying for a special event permit for every 634 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:32,280 farmers market right now? >> They are now starting to. 635 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:38,160 » But they previously did not. >> For many years that was under the radar, 636 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:42,200 but I think it has grown us also to be a a bigger event. 637 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,080 » Now, is that only because they are wanting to exceed the footprint of land 638 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:51,480 owned by the city cuz I'm looking and I don't know if this is for for now or for 639 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:55,280 discussion time, but you know, 3.5 there's the number of attendees limit 640 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:00,160 which I think is not related to the size of the property 641 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,920 and we probably should discuss scaling that. 642 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:10,120 Um and then there's you know, who owns the land versus who 643 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:13,840 is organizing the event on the land. And for something like the the farmers 644 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:18,640 market, it that seems like an awful lot of work for staff to require a special 645 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:23,680 events permit if the market is willing to stay contained on the property that 646 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,600 is leased to the organization. >> So, they are not, right? They are in 647 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,840 fact the >> They they are. They are going to the 648 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,680 school, yes. >> So, we are fine even for this recurrent 649 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:37,080 special events, we are fine and we have discussed we have discussed that with 650 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:43,320 um, Mr. Cobb to allow if you don't change the layout you we can have we can 651 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:48,640 issue one permit for the whole year with the understanding that if you put a 652 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:52,600 tent, you have to um, have a a uh, the tents inspector inspected. If 653 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,800 you have a food truck >> But not if it's a 10 by 10 or smaller, 654 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,160 correct? >> If it's small tent, no. If it's a large 655 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,360 tent, the one that requires inspection. If you have a food truck, they need to 656 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,360 be inspected by fire every time a food truck is comes to the site. 657 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:11,520 » Okay. >> Right? Even if it is permitted to be 658 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:16,080 they hop the curb and they are on the Lotta House property, could that 659 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:19,160 hypothetically be approved in the one-time permit to allow 660 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:22,600 » We can approve in the layout. >> In the layout in the initial layout. 661 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,600 » Because for the layout, police wants to check, right? The perimeter of the 662 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,720 special event to be secure. So, we need to have the layouts. If they don't 663 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:33,240 change the layout, we can issue the special event permit for the whole year. 664 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,960 You have to show insurance and all the required documentation, but we would be 665 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,280 fine with that. But in the permit, it will be 666 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,240 there will be specified this is >> your food truck spot. And then if they 667 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,880 And then part of the food truck >> the inspection every time a food truck 668 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:51,920 comes to the site. >> Okay. And then that would be an 669 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,240 additional fee for the inspection every month. 670 00:47:52,480 --> 00:48:01,080 » but that's that's required by the by by fire in the yes. 671 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:04,680 What why why is that that the food truck because they have a food license 672 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:08,400 already, right? But then every time they put it in park 673 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:13,520 now they have to have a re-inspection. >> Because apparently the issue is that 674 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,400 when they move the lines may loose up. So they need to inspect on the property 675 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,880 when they are uh when they park to see that is secure. 676 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,480 » So someone's act like actually touching the gas lines and 677 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,040 » That the fire marshal would do the fire inspection. Yeah. 678 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:34,280 » Oh. >> You want to come up and answer that? 679 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,280 » We also learned that recently. 680 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,920 » Good evening. Um the majority of the food trucks that do any kind of food 681 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,400 preparation cooking and stuff they use propane. 682 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:49,000 And whenever you're in travel transit from one location to another, a lot of 683 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:54,160 times those propane fittings could um come loose, create a leak, and that's 684 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:59,720 what creates the the the explosions and things like that. Um in Seminole County 685 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:04,000 we do have a basically a a food truck permit 686 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:07,320 that the vendors can use or they can apply for. We go out and do a thorough 687 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:11,680 inspection of the food trucks at that point. They they're issued a sticker. If 688 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:16,440 we see that sticker on a food truck at at our regular events, we just basically 689 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,120 go in with a what we call a um it's a gas detector 690 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,400 and we just check and make sure there's no leaks. 691 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,280 And that their that their suppression system is in compliance and in date. 692 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,440 » Okay. >> We do do that every time. Yes. 693 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,920 » So it's a fire inspection not necessarily a kitchen like a like a 694 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,400 inspection of a restaurant would be necessarily. 695 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,400 » I think it's for the safety of the >> Yeah. Correct. Okay. 696 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,480 » the food truck and everybody around, right? For 697 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,240 » Yep. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. 698 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,840 What is the pleasure of counsel? >> I 699 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,480 » I'd like to change some things. What about you? 700 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,400 » Uh who You you would start talking to >> Well, I'm 701 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,560 just a quick point where this is just a discussion item here. We're not 702 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,320 » Oh, well, yeah. I guess I should say what is the direction of council. 703 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,560 » just direction. >> Yep. 704 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,840 I mean, I Yeah, this is what we went over at the work session. So, I guess I 705 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,320 will You were not there. >> I wasn't there. 706 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,280 » So, so what is your input here? >> So, I I think that saying 707 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:20,040 that activities on non-city properties that have more than 200 people are 708 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:22,920 automatically trigger Yeah, that that automatically triggers the need for a 709 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:28,600 special event. May not make sense. So, if it's at the 710 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:32,680 mall, for example, like that is a place that is prepared as it was a originally 711 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:38,840 a DRI. It's a development of regional impact. It is designed to accept to 712 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:44,880 probably tens of thousands of cars and people every day. So, this 200 713 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:50,120 needs to be somehow scaled to the size of the property or 714 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:54,040 I don't know. >> So, I think, Mayor, the issue is that 715 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:59,400 you are in the mall, you're occupying the parking lot, right? So, again, 716 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:03,680 police needs to check the perimeter of the event 717 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,840 to be safe. So, if it's a large event with 718 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:10,880 you know, attracting a large crowd, this is something that police 719 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,200 would like to see just for the safety of the crowd. 720 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,040 So, even if you have >> not historically required that. So, 721 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:23,640 there I'm not I'm not I'm not going to call out events, but I know a lot of uh 722 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,440 we'll we'll just say houses of faith around the community routinely, like 723 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:32,520 churches are designed to attract people. The people sometimes stand in the 724 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:36,880 parking lot. Sometimes the people stand inside the buildings. The people go all 725 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:41,480 the places. Sometimes they stay outside for a long time. Sometimes they eat 726 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:44,240 outside. And I think all of this is fine, and that we should not be 727 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:50,560 regulating, you know, whether people after church 728 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:55,400 eat together outside. Or if they want to go to the mall and 729 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:59,960 eat in the parking lot in the mall. We have to treat people as the grown-ups 730 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,920 that they are. And I just like to see 200, you know, let's call it 2,000 or 731 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:09,080 something. I I don't know what an appropriate number is, but it would 732 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:13,960 probably be related to the size of the property in some form or fashion. 733 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,240 » Yeah, so houses of worship is something that uh 734 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:22,120 Yeah, caught my attention, too. And so houses of worship and schools don't have 735 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,840 to get permits to have events. And you know, they can have They can do 736 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:32,240 all kinds of stuff there on their own private property. And those are um 737 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,080 uh those are usually located within neighborhoods, right? Residential, like 738 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,400 especially elementary schools, it's right in the middle of the neighborhood, 739 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:43,000 you know, church is the same way. Uh you know, my thinking is that I like 740 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:47,720 that. Um I would like to somehow see that extended to, you know, like you 741 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:52,120 said, the mall because the mall is commercial property. 742 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:57,280 It's a lot It's a lot farther from where the events are held at the mall to 743 00:52:55,720 --> 00:53:00,200 residential, right? I mean, it's a long way across the parking lot and then 744 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,040 across the road and wall and in part of the mall, right? Not not even 745 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,760 the whole thing. A lot of it is adjacent to you know, commercial and all this 746 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,680 other stuff. So, 747 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:14,680 yeah, you have this huge parking lot that was built for the mall in its 748 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,080 heyday to have a store in every um uh 749 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,560 you know, retail the place where you could put a store 750 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:25,960 and have enough cars there to to support Black Friday, right? And now, you know, 751 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,880 a lot of the mall doesn't have stores in it. We're not using all of the parking 752 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,160 lot. >> Oh, it does have stores. Don't be 753 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,680 disparaging the mall. It's 95% full. >> Is it really? 754 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:38,160 » It is. Yeah, there's a lot of stores. 755 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,680 Lots of other pop shops. >> Okay. I'm sorry. It's been a while since 756 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,360 I've been in >> You should go. It's amazing. 757 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,040 » Yeah. Okay. Um 758 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,560 » All right. We're going to go getting a little off 759 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:52,560 » we get um is there a way to do some of the smaller 760 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,960 events that are held there? Um you know, some of the night markets 761 00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:01,520 and and stuff like that. I mean, the the impact to the 762 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:04,640 surrounding area is is got to be minuscule. 763 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:08,960 » You're right. There So we check impact, right? So we we check impact to the 764 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:13,640 neighborhood. And what you're saying the mall is less the neighborhood the issue. 765 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:20,640 The issue in the mall is to protect the crowd of the event, right? Because this 766 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:25,520 So you have schools and and um places of worship. It's it's in their 767 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:31,920 nature to have events of their own, right? It's not attracting 768 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:36,280 um a circus or, you know, or or a market, you know, a different market in 769 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:41,760 the mall in the outside. We have those events in the mall while 770 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:47,200 the mall is also under operation. So that parking lot is still being used 771 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:52,520 for the mall. So it in in if you have 2,000 people in the mall, you want to 772 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:55,920 protect the perimeter of the event because you want to protect the crowd 773 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,320 going to the event. >> Also, how much does a special event 774 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:05,560 permit cost? >> Um today 800 100 180 dollars. 775 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:09,200 » 180 dollars? Have we had anybody complain about having to do a special 776 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,280 event permit at the mall? >> I I don't think so. I Not that I know 777 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,600 of, but >> But I I do So if I'm summarizing what 778 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,240 you said right, and which is what I understand, is that the places you 779 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,600 mentioned, their primary use is to do what you're talking about. 780 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,000 » Mhm. >> These special event permits is a 781 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,760 secondary use that's a higher impact than what they were originally designed 782 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:32,760 for. So it's a safety issue. >> So today I had a request for a circus in 783 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:37,640 the mall. It's fine. Um we can we can do that, but that's a 784 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:41,080 special event. We need to see, you know, where the tent is going to set up, you 785 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,240 know, where, you know, how to protect the crowds because 786 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,400 unfortunately things happen, right? With crowds as well, so. 787 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,320 » All right. Well, that that makes some sense. 788 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,520 Um so, on 789 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,800 the same one, section 3.5, development permits, going down to 790 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:05,120 section two, uh I would like to 791 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:09,320 not see just events organized by places this is exempt activities it's events 792 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:13,080 organized by places of worship and public and private elementary, middle, 793 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:17,440 and high schools provided all of the following conditions are met. 794 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,360 I I would like to uh 795 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,680 eliminate all but the first one and and keep it that 796 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:27,240 as as long as the activity >> at? 797 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:31,000 » I don't know. This is attachment the fourth one down, I think. 798 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:35,400 The uh maybe not the fourth attachment. So, the four in our little open up 799 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,920 thing, it's the fourth one down, I think. 800 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,720 » Yep, attachment. >> So, at the top it says 801 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:45,160 Oh, now I'm at a different one. At the top it says section 3.5 development 802 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:48,520 permits. >> Okay. And then how 803 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:52,760 » So, it's down at the bottom there's two and then subsection D. 804 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:56,680 » up attachment three? Okay. So, the 805 00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:02,480 » There we go. Yeah. So, scrolling just So, at the top I'd like to change 200 to 806 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:07,720 something scaled to other things cuz it's unclear to me whether 807 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:11,160 going over 200 then makes you I I think maybe you're exempt anyway 808 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:19,040 under the next subsection. So, if that's the intent that you're exempt over 200 809 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:22,080 so long as certain criteria are met, I I would just say as long as it's wholly 810 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:27,440 contained within the limits of the property owned by the place of worship 811 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:33,960 or school. So, if a place of worship or school uh condones an activity that they 812 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,600 consider harmonious with its purpose, then 813 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:41,520 we should not require a special event permit because they've allowed somebody 814 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,800 to come on campus and you know, host a concert like the same this is outside 815 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,560 city limits, but you know, St. Luke's concert series. Well, that's not an 816 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,760 organize that's not something organized exact well, maybe it is organized a 817 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,760 little bit by the church, but um you know, that 818 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,120 » What are you I'm confused at what you're getting at here. What are what are you 819 00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,240 trying to get >> Okay, I want you to leave I want to 820 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,360 delete uh we're in the wrong place. >> Yeah. 821 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:07,520 » Go down scroll down I want to delete everything but number one. Uh the 822 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:10,840 uh I want to the two I and the three I uh get rid of those. 823 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:15,160 I don't think the activity should have to be organized by the place of worship 824 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,120 or school. It just needs to be there with their consent. 825 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,400 Um and I'll and I guess we could say the 826 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,800 city doesn't the activity doesn't require city services is a good one to 827 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,040 leave in there. >> I mean, these are tax-exempt places. So, 828 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:32,600 if you take that out, then they can for-profit host things and not have to 829 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:36,720 get permits. So, I don't if I'm reading that right. 830 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,520 If that if that's what you're saying. >> Well, I so I what I'm thinking is the 831 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:46,760 American Legion has you know, the Wreaths Across America 832 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:50,800 and the Memorial Day crosses that go out there and they get a special events 833 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:55,040 permit, which is waived, but it's a lot of 834 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,680 permits and and repeating of the same thing that was applied for in the 835 00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:03,920 previous year and a lot of staff time when cemeteries are a place where people 836 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,520 go to have commemorative events. Like that's what the cemetery is for and 837 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:12,480 that's what they're doing at the cemetery. So, it seems like you know, 838 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:15,760 the the church allows that space to be occupied for that kind 839 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:19,080 of activity. I don't know. Maybe I'm making it too 840 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:24,800 complicated. They can repeat it over and over, but then it's extra work for staff 841 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:29,000 and the fees are waived and we keep just we just keep doing the same thing every 842 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,000 year. 843 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:35,280 » It It's hard to say how you would enforce organized by the place of 844 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,440 worship or school. >> Yeah, like how would you know? They 845 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:42,360 would Some snitches get stitches. They'd be like, "That concert wasn't organized 846 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,720 by the church." So, we're Now the city's going to go get them. 847 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,920 » All right, hold on. Let's Let's bring it back in here. So, 848 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:51,040 I think No, but for what we're looking at here 849 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,120 as far as what we want to change, I think essentially the proposed changes, 850 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,320 it seems like everybody's on board, but there's questionable more changes. 851 00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,040 » Yes. >> So, as far as direction we have is yes 852 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,440 on the changes proposed. >> Mhm. 853 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,920 » Um I would like to 854 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,800 I guess table your input and see if you can sit down with staff and come back 855 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,480 with something concrete we would like to change for 856 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,000 » Okay. >> discussion. 857 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,000 » All right. >> Does that work? Because that That works. 858 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,280 I just don't see anything cohesive here on what we want to do. 859 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,520 » Okay. >> Okay, well, are you guys okay with that? 860 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,320 » Do we want to >> The 200 attendees. 861 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,200 » Um I don't think we should change that right now, but 862 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,640 that could be something we look into and come back with. Is there anybody else 863 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,880 that would like to change that right now? 864 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,080 » No. >> Okay. So, I No, we're going to we're 865 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,680 going to table the rest for right now and move on with the direction we have. 866 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:39,640 So, and come back from there. So, I will ask if you want any more changes, you 867 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,240 meet with staff and come back on that. So, we're going to move on from this. 868 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,040 » Thank you. >> All right. So, we're going to move on to 869 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,120 the city manager's report. >> I have no report, Deputy Mayor. 870 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,840 » Okay. The city attorney's report. >> Deputy Mayor, I have nothing to report. 871 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:57,240 » Councilmember Britton. >> Okay, I got a few items and and I'm sure 872 01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:01,240 uh you can check them off your list if you're on it. We We did have the Relay 873 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:04,960 for Life golf tournament uh on uh last Friday. Again, it was a very 874 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:10,080 successful tournament. Everyone had a good time. 875 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:14,640 Uh I'm not sure how uh 876 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:18,240 how the scores added up, but I think uh other than that, we had a good time. 877 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,560 That's all I can say. Um 878 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,480 last Friday, I I the mayor and Mr. Ott uh 879 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:28,360 and I attended the Babe Ruth opening day, 880 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:31,960 and I was really impressed with with that that event and the fact that that 881 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:35,640 organization I read online that they have 980 kids 882 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,680 and players, but if I added up what they were saying, 883 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,600 they I think they had over 2,000 when you add up the 884 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,120 the rec leagues, the travel leagues, the softball leagues, and and all of that, 885 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,120 which is really cool because that's that many kids that are busy 886 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,320 doing something other than getting in trouble. 887 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:57,960 So, uh, that's why we have these parks and and these programs. 888 01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:03,080 Uh, I should say that at the, uh, Relay for Life, I was approached by the golf 889 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:07,000 course, and they want to set up a senior golf program, 890 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,800 and I suggested in conjunction with the, uh, senior center across the street. So, 891 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:13,840 that's something that they're interested in starting, and I turned them on to 892 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:17,520 Sean Fitzgerald. Jack, I don't know if that's the right person or not, but 893 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,640 » Yes, Sean and Michael McGarvey. >> Okay. So, I think they're going to work 894 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,280 on that. I think that's a pretty pretty good, uh, synergy between those two 895 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,920 organizations. Um, 896 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:33,040 I wanted to ask about the status, uh, that came up a couple weeks ago, Bobby, 897 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:37,480 about the review of Lockwood Boulevard between 898 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:41,320 the, uh, bridge and uh, 899 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,320 senior center. 900 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:48,160 I think I made a comment then that maybe a barrier was would be better, but I was 901 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:52,440 looking at the bollards on on, uh, Mitchell Hammock down down at the corner 902 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:55,240 of 434. Maybe those those would work. I don't know. 903 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,280 » enough room to put in those bollards. >> What's that? 904 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,280 » Bollards will not work in that location. There's not enough room. 905 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,280 Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, what, uh, are you 906 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,920 » Staff has a report. They've prepared it. >> Okay. 907 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,080 » I've reviewed it. Mr. Cobb has reviewed it. He and I are meeting tomorrow to 908 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,960 discuss it. >> Okay. And there'll be maybe some 909 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,200 recommendations? >> Yes, sir. 910 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,280 » Okay. Other than other than what we already know? 911 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:18,080 » Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I I if you think about it, the 912 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,640 I mean, you're right on top of each other coming around that curve. 913 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,240 » Yeah. >> Um so, something should be done. 914 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,520 But, if you think about it for the bollards 915 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,040 like on Mitchell Hammock, >> Yeah. 916 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,840 » there's a there's a tiny concrete median. If you go out there and look at 917 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,640 that bridge where you come around, there's no shoulder. You've got Jersey 918 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,160 barrier coming up through there. There's no room to to really You have to really 919 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,560 squeeze the lanes, and so it's even going to be even tighter 920 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,640 » Yeah. >> from the curve. So, I would not 921 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,600 recommend bollards >> not sure if we need them on the bridge, 922 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,960 but the curve is what >> Yeah, well, now I agree we should try 923 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:50,240 and do something, and that could be like uh rubber pavement markers on the inside 924 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,680 on the on top of the double yellow line. They kind of let people wake them up 925 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,400 real quick once they hit it cuz they know they've gone too far. Something 926 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:59,320 like that. More of a safety improvement, maybe, 927 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,640 is what kind of what I'm thinking. >> Okay. 928 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,360 » So. >> All right. I'll wait to hear from you. 929 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:08,480 » But, I'll get the transportation planner, get his thoughts tomorrow, and 930 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,440 find out what what he thinks. >> Okay. 931 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,520 » So. He's smirking over there. 932 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:17,600 » I got uh two things left. One is uh 933 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:21,200 the city walking challenge. I think Mr. Boob is up there on the list. I don't 934 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,920 know how he walks that many steps, but uh 935 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,600 » Paul, you're getting farther ahead in these. 936 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,120 » Oh, is Paul? >> Yeah. 937 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:31,640 » Okay. I I see some names up there, and I'm not on the list, so I'm trying. 938 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:36,040 It's uh I turn my numbers in every week, so that that's uh pretty cool. I'm I'm 939 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:38,560 enjoying uh participating in that. And finally, this is just a 940 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,400 uh uh 941 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:45,560 Windows policy thing. I'm I'm looking at the flags back there, and I wish someone 942 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:49,480 would just straighten up those flags back on the back wall. Just 943 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:52,200 looks uh it looks sad that they've they've been up there, and they're 944 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:56,080 tilted, and not not uh 945 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,560 not straightened out, so it'd be nice if we can do that. 946 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:03,080 » I literally have my notes written on my paper right here. 947 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,280 » And that's all I have. Sorry. >> Bobby's on it. 948 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,920 » I think we're also just like staring right there, too. 949 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:12,400 Um all right, I'm up next. So, I did have a 950 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:16,360 count on meeting um the on February 4th, and it was in Casselberry this time. And 951 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:19,760 they talked about two different things, um, which I thought were both good. But 952 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:24,240 the first one is the city of Casselberry got, essentially, a grant matched with 953 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:29,240 another grant with federal government for a $21 million project to, 954 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:36,840 um, basically do a complete street, 955 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:41,440 um, retrofit over on, uh, 436. And when they brought it up, it looked 956 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:48,120 like everything we discussed about in our transportation plan put into one 957 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:52,600 project. So, um, pretty cool. Also, very interested on how they got funding to do 958 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,800 that. And I also know that area cuz I, you know, went to high school back in 959 01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:59,200 the day over there. So, it's a it's a good area to be doing that, but they're 960 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:02,760 they're essentially road dieting their lanes a little bit. They're adding 961 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,120 subouts where all the turn lanes are to make it 962 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:11,040 safer for pedestrians and and cars coming around fast. And then they're 963 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:14,840 also adding a mobility trail, um, not in the road, nice and out, like you know I 964 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:17,720 like. Um, so, keep an eye on that. They said it'd probably kick off it, you 965 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:23,320 know, it's going to take a while. So, 4 years out, but fully funded, 966 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,680 huge project, and a good thing to watch for what we're looking to do here in the 967 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,560 future. Um, the other thing they talked about 968 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:34,240 has to do with us. So, if you remember a while back there was an opioid 969 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:39,160 settlement that we agreed on council to send our money's over to the county to 970 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,440 be a part of with several other cities. And it's been a few years, so they have 971 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:48,440 some results from that and it's it's really good news. So, on the 972 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:53,920 federal national level of overdose deaths, most places are averaging down 973 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:57,600 30% in overdose deaths, which is great. Um, but Seminole County has kind of 974 01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:02,160 turned into the golden standard cuz we're down 50%. 975 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:07,080 Um, and that's a huge part of this program. So, I know we've all heard our 976 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:10,720 sheriff talk about looking at as a, um, treatment issue and a condition 977 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:14,680 versus a criminal issue. And I think that has a 978 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:19,920 lot to say there. But one of the things they're doing, and I have some goodies, 979 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:24,320 is they're giving out Narcan for free. So, they made a very big case that you 980 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:27,760 should not be paying for Narcan anywhere in Seminole County, and that goes for 981 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:32,080 citizens or businesses, and they have gotten these out to businesses all over 982 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:35,800 the county, so they're easy to access. And the other thing they 983 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,560 have is these little drug disposal things 984 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,760 that you put drugs you don't want anymore, and it dissolves them and you 985 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:46,400 can throw them away in the trash. So, I know our drug disposal at the police 986 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,840 station gets full sometimes, so this is kind of like a good alternative. But 987 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:53,720 they are putting stations up. They have like 20 different locations where 988 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:58,080 anybody can go get that for free, and I think on the side here, there's a little 989 01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,600 QR code, if you see it. It teaches you how to use Narcan. 990 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,160 Um and they have them in a bunch of the 991 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:07,600 cities, and they're asking for other cities to put stations. So, like 992 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:12,080 Castleberry had one where while we were there. So, I was mentioning this over to 993 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,920 the city manager to see if we can find a location to put it at City Hall and then 994 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,560 spread the word. Um 995 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:21,200 the whole point of Narcan is it's not for you, it's for someone who needs it, 996 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,680 and hopefully you never need it, but they can't use it themselves. So, the 997 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:28,680 more places that have it available, that's how we get this number that we 998 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,640 have, which is a 50% reduction in deaths. So, I thought that was pretty 999 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,759 cool. And then the last thing I have here is 1000 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:39,240 we all got invited because it is Black History Month, 1001 01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:42,920 um to an event February 28th. So, I believe you got an email from Jackson 1002 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:46,160 Heights Washington Heights at Oviedo High School, and they are 1003 01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:50,720 doing a Stony the Road We Trod Black History 1004 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:54,520 event, so just throwing that out there. Next up, Mayor Slayton. All right, well, 1005 01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:59,520 y'all covered most everything. We had Babe Ruth opening night on Friday, and 1006 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,520 coming up this Saturday, we are all invited to Little League's opening day. 1007 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:07,480 So, I think it's pretty great that we have not one but two phenomenal uh 1008 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:11,960 baseball softball organizations here in Oviedo. That's all I've got. 1009 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:17,839 Council member Oropesa. >> I Yeah, I think you guys have covered uh 1010 01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:21,720 most things. Um but we had uh the four chaplain service uh 1011 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:26,680 uh ceremony over at uh the American Legion the other night uh or the other 1012 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:29,640 day. And uh it was uh it was really good. 1013 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:34,279 That's all I got. >> Council member Bradford. 1014 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:37,720 » Yes. So, Chief, I mean, uh I'm glad we were able to do the grant appropriation 1015 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,720 tonight as we get closer to get that high water brush truck, you know. 1016 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,920 Hopefully, I mean, it's something that we not need, but it's good to have it 1017 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:49,799 when when you need it. So, uh I'm excited about that. 1018 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,040 Um and other Chief, we had the barbecue with the heroes today. So, that's a 1019 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:57,680 great how you guys are getting out there in the community and interacting, you 1020 01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,960 know. So, I know they had the vest out for kids to wear and you know, the 1021 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:06,000 badges and stuff for them. So, it's great again, you know, I know this had a 1022 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:10,160 couple weeks ago was coffee with a cop. And then the barbecue with the heroes. 1023 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:13,200 So, that was that's great. So, yeah, nice to see that. 1024 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:18,560 And then we got a couple events coming up. Uh Police Foundation golf tournament 1025 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:22,240 is is March 6th. It's a great uh event and it helps to raise money for the 1026 01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:27,160 foundation which helps officers uh that are in financial need. Uh also, 1027 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,960 we have Taste of Oviedo on the 7th out at the mall. 1028 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,880 Uh so, that's always a great event. Brings out a great crowd out there. 1029 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:38,960 Following week uh we have the Hope Shamrock 5K. 1030 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,960 I don't know, Chief, are you running? 1031 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:46,240 And then we got uh St. Patrick's Day event uh 4:00 1032 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:51,680 on that Saturday out here at Center Lake. So, obviously, uh some great 1033 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:57,840 events coming up here uh this week. And then the the last thing I have is um 1034 01:10:54,920 --> 01:11:01,360 we got a email uh from Bobby Dragon uh talking about the motorcycle challenge 1035 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:04,280 Uh that he was just saying he was in the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Bold City 1036 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:10,440 Challenge. He took three third three first places 1037 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:14,120 and then one third place at the event. Again, 1038 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:17,960 a great you know, he's a good motor officer anyways and then you know, to 1039 01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:23,640 represent our city like that is fantastic and then he added on that cuz 1040 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:27,360 of this I think was because of this he got invited to the to the police 1041 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,360 technology and management to teach officers to be instructors. Was that 1042 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,920 right? Yeah, so I mean this this phenomenal. I 1043 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:38,160 mean what what an ambassador for our city and I know fire we have the same 1044 01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:41,200 thing. We get a lot of great people there that are ambassadors, you know, 1045 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:45,080 they go out there and represent the city well and we appreciate everything that 1046 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:49,680 you guys do. So and public works we like you too. So 1047 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,680 just 1048 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:55,120 That's all I got. >> Okay. 1049 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:59,400 Future meeting dates. Monday, March 2nd at 6:30 p.m. we have a 1050 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:03,560 regular session and Mr. Cobb on the 16th. 1051 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,720 » I do we have a quorum for the 16th? >> I will not be here. 1052 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,560 » I won't be here. >> No, we don't have a quorum. 1053 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,600 You're not here, right? Or are you here? Spring break? 1054 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:16,040 » I I don't get spring break anymore. >> Oh, that's true. You were a maybe, yes? 1055 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,120 Mayor? >> Oh, I will not be here. Okay, we do not 1056 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:23,480 have a quorum. >> Okay, no meeting on the 16th then. 1057 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:26,960 » Okay. Is there anything else for the good of the order? 1058 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:31,640 It is 7:35 p.m. and this meeting is adjourned. 1059 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,640 » That's a great job.